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| 00:43.59 | oota | is there a kontact specific channel? |
| 00:44.30 | aseigo | oota: #kontact |
| 00:45.03 | oota | of course. :) thanks. |
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| 00:59.27 | legolas | I was trying to make an instal for gaim, it said I need gtk 2 so i installed it then logged off now when I try to log in it sends me right back to the logon pront |
| 00:59.41 | aseigo | legolas: logging into KDE you mean? |
| 01:00.02 | legolas | yea |
| 01:00.21 | legolas | screen goes black then bam im right back at the login |
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| 01:03.48 | legolas | I was trying to make an instal for gaim, it said I need gtk 2 so i installed it then logged off now when I try to log in it sends me right back to the logon pront |
| 01:04.55 | grepper | check the logs |
| 01:05.46 | legolas | its grepp to the rescue again, how the hell do I do that |
| 01:06.56 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.10 | legolas | what me fuckin up my computer |
| 01:07.12 | legolas | lol |
| 01:07.19 | grepper | here it would be "less /var/log/XFree86.0.log" |
| 01:08.36 | grepper | more or less |
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| 01:10.00 | synackrst | ksnapshot is quite ghay whats with making the sloppy compressed screenshot blurring out my sysmon widgets ;P |
| 01:10.43 | synackrst | wrong channel :P |
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| 01:12.22 | legolas | I dont see anything strange |
| 01:12.26 | Luis8 | hola alguien habla espaņol |
| 01:12.58 | grepper | paste it to http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 01:13.38 | grepper | Luis8: #kde-es ? |
| 01:13.40 | legolas | will do |
| 01:16.05 | legolas | its there |
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| 01:16.46 | grepper | would a url be too much trouble ? |
| 01:17.03 | grepper | nm, got it |
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| 01:18.07 | grepper | legolas: how about ~/.xsession-errors ? |
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| 01:19.55 | legolas | I dont see one of those |
| 01:20.06 | azazello | hi, is there any way to turn off the "select menu option under where the mouse is even if the mouse is not moving" behavior? it gets very annoying when using the keyboard |
| 01:21.48 | grepper | legolas: user's |
| 01:22.02 | legolas | hmm |
| 01:24.13 | termo | azazello: hmm, I doubt there is. it never occured to me actually |
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| 01:25.00 | termo | azazello: I'd suggest to look at bugs.kde.org to see if there's a bug/wishlist item for that |
| 01:26.01 | legolas | I cant find a specifc user long |
| 01:26.10 | emes | is there any way to put the close, minimize, and maximize buttons on the left side of the title bar? |
| 01:26.22 | azazello | termo: ok, thanks. haven't you ever called up a menu via a shortcut then used the arrows to navigate to the option you wanted? the mouse selecting an entry makes that last part non-deterministic |
| 01:27.46 | termo | azazello: I'm not sure, but there is this feature for focus-stealing behavior |
| 01:27.54 | termo | azazello: for popup windows |
| 01:28.05 | azazello | is that relevant you think? |
| 01:28.08 | termo | azazello: I'm not sure if a window menu is considered a pop-up menu |
| 01:28.31 | azazello | hmm I'll try it |
| 01:28.50 | azazello | that's very unintuitive though. such a pref should be under "mouse" |
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| 01:29.38 | azazello | termo: no that's not it |
| 01:29.50 | termo | azazello: well, If i set focus stealing to extreme, it still 'bugs' |
| 01:30.01 | emes | is it possible to set a different background for each monitor if i have multiple monitors? |
| 01:30.20 | azazello | besides, btw... when the mouse ends up over a submenu, it gets opened and the keyboard focus is now in that submenu! that's even more annoying and can lead to data loss |
| 01:30.27 | legolas | grepper: ok I cant find a user log anywhere |
| 01:32.54 | termo | azazello: should be easy to fix though |
| 01:33.04 | azazello | termo: it sure should be |
| 01:33.14 | termo | azazello: there's already a "hide mouse" feature |
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| 01:33.36 | termo | azazello: so it could also disable mouse completely |
| 01:33.47 | termo | azazello: aalthough it might trigger some other nasty side effects |
| 01:34.11 | azazello | this shouldn't be tied to "hide mouse" |
| 01:34.27 | azazello | I think it's just bad UI to select the option under mouse if the menu is called via keyboard |
| 01:34.35 | azazello | it should only be selected if the mouse has moved to it |
| 01:34.57 | azazello | I think that should be a default, but if it's a pref, that pref shouldn't be tied with "hide mouse" |
| 01:35.18 | termo | azazello: well, one might use mouse/keyboard at the same time |
| 01:35.33 | azazello | termo: do you ever move your mouse to a position in a menu you cannot see? |
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| 01:35.46 | azazello | sounds a little absurd to me |
| 01:36.15 | termo | azazello: uhm.... |
| 01:36.26 | azazello | besides, what I'm saying is not that you shouldn't be able to use the mouse if you opened up a menu via keyboard |
| 01:36.34 | azazello | it just shouldn't select an option if the mouse is not moving |
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| 01:37.18 | termo | azazello: konq has this little bug as well I guess, though, not too annoying |
| 01:37.43 | azazello | termo: why wouldn't it? it's probably a Qt thing |
| 01:37.57 | termo | azazello: if you click a link and a new link shows up under the mouse, your mouse pointer will not change int a hand |
| 01:38.12 | azazello | oh... but that's good |
| 01:38.17 | azazello | that's the right behavior |
| 01:38.27 | azazello | although |
| 01:38.28 | termo | hmm, I disagree :) |
| 01:38.29 | azazello | never mind |
| 01:38.32 | azazello | that's not right |
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| 01:38.41 | azazello | but it has nothing to do with what I'm saying |
| 01:38.48 | azazello | since menu options are mouseover and links are onclick |
| 01:39.12 | termo | yes, but mousepointer changes are on hover |
| 01:39.13 | azazello | i.e. if the link was selected (dotted box put around it) then it would be equivalent, and wrong |
| 01:39.34 | azazello | lack of mousepointer change is annoying, but it's not critical to usage |
| 01:39.40 | azazello | the menu thing is |
| 01:40.42 | termo | that's right |
| 01:41.08 | termo | but I'm not really that into KDE to come up with a "quick fix" or anything |
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| 01:41.34 | termo | And I have no clue where QT-level ends and KDE-level begins |
| 01:41.41 | reisio | anybody using 3.5? |
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| 01:41.52 | azazello | I'm sure the devs can figure it out when I file a bug :) |
| 01:42.20 | termo | If they come across your bug that is :) |
| 01:42.38 | azazello | sooner or later |
| 01:42.49 | grepper | reisio: no |
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| 01:43.08 | grepper | I have 3.4.89 though |
| 01:43.25 | reisio | why not 3.5? :p |
| 01:43.30 | termo | but i'm off to bed |
| 01:43.36 | termo | nn all |
| 01:43.39 | grepper | cause its not released :) |
| 01:43.50 | grepper | bbiab |
| 01:44.07 | termo | azazello: If you file your bug, msg the nr. I'll vote for you ;) |
| 01:44.18 | termo | nn! |
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| 01:50.11 | legolas | has anyone ever had that problem before |
| 01:50.14 | azazello | termo: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106816 |
| 01:50.42 | legolas | trying to logon to KDE and getting booted back to the Logon screan |
| 01:51.20 | legolas | screen I mean |
| 01:51.41 | azazello | legolas: something is crashing on you |
| 01:52.12 | legolas | but it only crashes on that account |
| 01:52.56 | azazello | try switching to console (Alt+F2), typing "killall kdm" (this will kill your KDE session), and typing "kdm" (this will start up a new one), then see if there are any messages in that console (ctrl+alt+f2) or the default console (ctrl+alt+f1) |
| 01:53.00 | legolas | is ther some sort of file somewhere that can tell me what it is |
| 01:53.20 | azazello | but if it prints to Xorg log or the syslog you won't see it |
| 01:53.29 | azazello | you have to check the logs in /var/log |
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| 01:58.56 | legolas | I wouldnt even know were to start, im so new to linux its not funny |
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| 01:59.59 | fenn | i'm back! |
| 02:00.31 | fenn | i downgraded from 3.4 to 3.3, which fixed my bug, but now a new bug has appeared! |
| 02:01.11 | thakat | Hello everyone. Am I alone in saying that installing ati drivers blow chunks? |
| 02:01.27 | legolas | ok how about this |
| 02:01.39 | legolas | is they were way I can sewe who is logged on from the root account |
| 02:02.00 | fenn | legolas, type "w" |
| 02:02.03 | legolas | I think that the other account may have never fully eneded thats why I cant log into it |
| 02:02.22 | legolas | type w from the command promt |
| 02:02.25 | fenn | or, "who" i guess makes more sense |
| 02:04.16 | fenn | my new bug: any menu in any kde application has green highlights over the letter that is the keyboard shortcut for that menu item.. each time you look at the menu, a (!)& is added before the green highlight, until my whole menu is filled up with (!)& marks |
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| 02:04.32 | legolas | I noticed that when I alt +ctrl+f1 to the promt from this acount it does the exact same thing if I try to log back in under the kde logon |
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| 02:06.39 | Dhraakellian | okay, the KDE puts the trash in ~/Desktop/Trash, right? |
| 02:06.56 | Dhraakellian | where is this set in KDE 3.4.x? |
| 02:08.36 | Dhraakellian | using kcontrol's search tab, I get System Administration > Paths |
| 02:08.56 | Dhraakellian | but I don't see much in the way of Trash-related things there |
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| 02:11.06 | fenn | okay, bug resolved :) that was easy.. apparently the widget style was set to "scheck" a secret debugging widget style, and it was screwing up as well |
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| 02:19.10 | jkeel | does anyone know how to force Konqueror to display GMail correctly? |
| 02:19.18 | jkeel | in other words, with all the JavaScript features |
| 02:20.46 | ysm | yeah, work at google and learn HTML... |
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| 02:21.09 | jkeel | ysm: I've heard that answer already on another channel ;) |
| 02:21.21 | Dhraakellian | jkeel, you a student? |
| 02:21.26 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 02:21.28 | ysm | the anwser must be true |
| 02:21.31 | jkeel | yeah |
| 02:21.36 | jkeel | ysm: not really ;) |
| 02:22.09 | jkeel | Dhraakellian: why do you ask? |
| 02:22.29 | jkeel | :) |
| 02:22.47 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 02:23.04 | Dhraakellian | I should probably look into stuff, since I do want to get involved with KDE coding at some point |
| 02:25.10 | jkeel | it works...at least it loads :) |
| 02:25.18 | jkeel | I changed to Firefox identification |
| 02:25.25 | Dhraakellian | kool |
| 02:25.27 | jkeel | ysm: told you so ;) |
| 02:25.32 | Dhraakellian | does it work with everything else? |
| 02:25.41 | jkeel | lemme try out some things |
| 02:26.21 | jkeel | umm...wow...nothing works |
| 02:26.28 | jkeel | ysm: spoke too fast |
| 02:28.54 | jkeel | well...I'll have to talk to the Konqueror devs sometime |
| 02:28.55 | Dhraakellian | heh... my main problems with konqueror probably have to do with mouse gestures and link/document relations toolbars |
| 02:29.15 | Alethes | you can get rid of the doc rel toolbar |
| 02:29.15 | jkeel | why mouse gestures? |
| 02:29.21 | Dhraakellian | I like the allinone gestures extension for Firefox |
| 02:29.42 | Dhraakellian | things like rocker gestures, rmb+scroll scrolling tabs, etc |
| 02:29.55 | Dhraakellian | Alethes, that's not the point. I want it there and *working* |
| 02:30.05 | Alethes | ah |
| 02:30.15 | Dhraakellian | like the Link Toolbar extension for Firefox |
| 02:30.30 | jkeel | hmm |
| 02:30.36 | Dhraakellian | which politely sits in the statusbar and does useful stuff |
| 02:30.37 | jkeel | I've never even used mouse gestures |
| 02:31.03 | jkeel | I like Firefox. I think it's a great browser, but I like Konqueror better |
| 02:31.22 | jkeel | Firefox is the only browser I will touch on Windows |
| 02:31.30 | Dhraakellian | jkeel, ditto, but switch the names |
| 02:31.37 | jkeel | :) |
| 02:31.57 | Dhraakellian | and the windows sentiment too, although I probably wouldn't mind too much if forced to use Opera |
| 02:32.15 | Alethes | I find opera very cluttered |
| 02:32.29 | jkeel | I would probably use Opera, but I greatly prefer open source |
| 02:32.30 | Dhraakellian | Alethes, yeah |
| 02:32.52 | Dhraakellian | Clean up the interface a little from its defaults |
| 02:33.01 | Dhraakellian | jkeel, there is that too |
| 02:33.33 | Dhraakellian | although Opera uses Qt, doesn't it? |
| 02:34.10 | jkeel | I'm not sure |
| 02:34.46 | jkeel | looks like it does |
| 02:35.05 | jkeel | that's cool |
| 02:35.07 | Dhraakellian | so they do support OSS, albeit indirectly |
| 02:35.09 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 02:35.19 | jkeel | :) |
| 02:35.45 | jkeel | I think they're a great company, but I prefer OSS :) |
| 02:36.54 | ysm | I don't use Konqueror because I can display my site in it correctly (I have svg and mathml embedded in my xhtml ;p) |
| 02:37.22 | Dhraakellian | you don't use it for that reason? |
| 02:37.24 | ysm | I use konqueror only for KMplayer integration... |
| 02:37.41 | jkeel | ysm: so you use Firefox? |
| 02:37.43 | Dhraakellian | ysm, yeah, and I only read /. for the articles |
| 02:37.45 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 02:37.51 | jkeel | lol |
| 02:37.56 | ysm | Dhraakellian: and because I don't link the flashy toolbar/menu |
| 02:38.10 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 02:38.19 | ysm | On a 300mhz, the menu that always refresh is very very annoying.. |
| 02:38.30 | jkeel | ysm: yeah, the toolbar really needs work |
| 02:38.38 | Dhraakellian | my main beef with konqi right now is that I can't seem to get the main toolbar and the location toolbar to be on the same line |
| 02:38.48 | jkeel | same problem here |
| 02:39.09 | Dhraakellian | without maximizing horizontally |
| 02:39.23 | ysm | or because KDE isn't able to handle a menu with many elements |
| 02:39.26 | Dhraakellian | I checked earlier, and it was only sharing the line at 1002 pixels wide |
| 02:39.35 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 02:40.09 | ysm | I've got a test case for the latest comment.. |
| 02:40.48 | Dhraakellian | back, forward, up, home | reload, stop | print..., security, kget | is all I have atm |
| 02:41.18 | ysm | http://yansanmo.no-ip.org:8080/test/kde/link_title.php <-- check with ALT + G + Y |
| 02:41.42 | Dhraakellian | clear location bar, location bar, go, animated logo |
| 02:41.47 | Dhraakellian | is all I have in the locationbar |
| 02:41.58 | Dhraakellian | location toolbar, that is |
| 02:42.39 | jkeel | ysm: I see what you mean |
| 02:43.04 | jkeel | ysm: but the page reloads here |
| 02:43.10 | ysm | Oh yeah, konqueror can't handle text file encoding c (over internet) correctly too |
| 02:43.34 | ysm | the page reloads? |
| 02:43.42 | jkeel | ysm: sure does. KDE 3.4.1 |
| 02:44.02 | ysm | ok, you click on a stylesheet? |
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| 02:44.17 | jkeel | ?? |
| 02:44.18 | ysm | the bug is the menu that hide all my screen... |
| 02:44.46 | ysm | I don't understand why you say that the page reloads? |
| 02:44.59 | jkeel | oh |
| 02:45.13 | jkeel | I thought you meant that KDE couldn't handle multiple level menu shortcuts |
| 02:45.18 | jkeel | what exactly did you mean? |
| 02:45.46 | ysm | no, KDE can't handle when their is too much options.. |
| 02:46.05 | ysm | it try to display all |
| 02:46.32 | jkeel | oh |
| 02:46.48 | jkeel | on my screen (1280x1024) it's just fine. there aren't very many options |
| 02:47.21 | ysm | It could display only ten options, a 'Others options ... ' and a dialog box with a combo box for the others options.. |
| 02:47.43 | ysm | How much options do you see on your screen? |
| 02:47.58 | jkeel | 14 |
| 02:48.21 | ysm | There is more that 59... |
| 02:48.34 | ysm | 99 to be correct |
| 02:48.59 | Dhraakellian | by "options", I assume that you mean buttons in the toolbar |
| 02:49.05 | ysm | no |
| 02:49.09 | jkeel | ok. wow. this is a newly opened Konqi window, so it doesn't have all the places I've visited |
| 02:49.15 | ysm | options inside the menu when you press ALT + G, Y |
| 02:49.26 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 02:49.31 | jkeel | ysm: what's the y for? |
| 02:49.40 | Dhraakellian | alt+G takes you to the Go menu |
| 02:49.57 | ysm | StyleSheets |
| 02:50.11 | Dhraakellian | jkeel, look at the entry in the go menu for that page |
| 02:50.35 | Dhraakellian | http://yansanmo.no-ip.org:8080/test/kde/link_title.php |
| 02:50.53 | jkeel | hmm |
| 02:51.01 | jkeel | I don't have StyleSheets |
| 02:51.25 | jkeel | Alt+G+Y takes me to the Go menu -> site I last visited that starts with Y |
| 02:51.33 | ysm | wait, alt+g is the go menu? |
| 02:51.38 | Dhraakellian | yeah |
| 02:52.00 | ysm | They change the access key with language.. ah! |
| 02:52.04 | jkeel | were you thinking of bookmarks? |
| 02:52.10 | ysm | Go to View > Stylesheet |
| 02:52.14 | jkeel | aah |
| 02:52.19 | Dhraakellian | alt+G,K will reload kde.org |
| 02:52.35 | jkeel | right ;) |
| 02:52.37 | ysm | Alt+G = Afficha_g_e (view) |
| 02:52.55 | ysm | View, is alt+v ? |
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| 02:53.10 | jkeel | yikes! |
| 02:53.11 | jkeel | nasty |
| 02:53.17 | Dhraakellian | View |
| 02:53.32 | jkeel | 'Use Stylesheet' |
| 02:53.40 | jkeel | t, I believe |
| 02:53.49 | jkeel | yes, t |
| 02:53.53 | jkeel | Alt+v+t |
| 02:54.05 | jkeel | ysm: that's a really nasty behavior |
| 02:54.08 | Dhraakellian | Use Stylesheet |
| 02:54.31 | jkeel | ysm: I have noticed that before, but it's not common to have such large menus |
| 02:54.34 | ysm | So you see, when you have 40 or more fonts, that do the same thing in KDE Apps.. |
| 02:54.48 | jkeel | yeah |
| 02:54.49 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 02:55.17 | ysm | I think, kopete have such issue too |
| 02:55.57 | jkeel | I would think maybe that's a Qt problem more than KDE itself |
| 02:56.20 | jkeel | doesn't Windows alternate back and forth...first menu on left...next on right..then on left |
| 02:56.29 | jkeel | ? |
| 02:56.34 | jkeel | so it gets all the pieces on the screen |
| 02:56.57 | Dhraakellian | for lots of submenus? |
| 02:57.01 | jkeel | yea |
| 02:57.05 | jkeel | h |
| 02:57.10 | ysm | maybe, i don't know, gnome use the up and down arrow to scroll.. |
| 02:57.42 | Dhraakellian | I think Qt/KDE does whichever way has room |
| 02:58.08 | jkeel | but it doesn't check to see if the menu goes offscreen before it draws it |
| 02:58.12 | ysm | If you look at the same page with Firefox, by example.. |
| 02:59.31 | Ryushin | Okay all, I'm considering switching to KDE. I've tried other WM's but I've always switched back to E. I started to FVWM95, then switched to KDE pre-1.0, then to E, and then moved over to gnome because of the licensing issues with KDE, then moved back to E when Gnome 2.0 came out which was bloated and slow (still is), and now I'm looking at KDE again. One of the things that is a blessing to me under E is the pager. There is the KPager which |
| 02:59.32 | Ryushin | is almost identical to E's Pager. How do I resize KPager? Also, is there a way to make right click on the desktop to pull up the main menu? |
| 03:00.23 | Dhraakellian | Ryushin, alt+right-mouse-button |
| 03:00.25 | Dhraakellian | drag |
| 03:00.41 | jkeel | Ryushin: yes, you can right-click and get the KDE menu..it's an option in kcontrol |
| 03:01.28 | Ryushin | Can I change Kpagers height? |
| 03:01.33 | Dhraakellian | kcontrol > desktop > behavior > mouse button actions |
| 03:01.34 | Ryushin | That's seems static. |
| 03:01.42 | Dhraakellian | Ryushin, heck, yeah |
| 03:01.51 | jkeel | Ryushin: kcontrol->Desktop->Behavior is the setting for the right-click menu |
| 03:01.51 | Dhraakellian | alt+drag with the rmb |
| 03:02.35 | Dhraakellian | http://sp.allalone.org/gallery/screenshots/KDE_20050505_D2_recoloredSVG |
| 03:02.53 | Ryushin | Oh, I see my problem, I wanted to make it smaller, but it won't get any smaller. I can make it bigger just fine. |
| 03:03.05 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 03:03.25 | Dhraakellian | you can also hide the window decorations if it has any by default |
| 03:03.58 | Ryushin | I've tried to make two panels exist side by side, but they insist on stacking on top of each other, even though I've made them small enough to fit side by side. |
| 03:03.58 | Dhraakellian | although I'd save special window settings before that so that you can go in and tweak them afterwards if you want to |
| 03:04.09 | xijio | is there a way to make a bookmark toolbar in konq like there is in firefox |
| 03:04.26 | Dhraakellian | xijio, I would assume so |
| 03:04.30 | Dhraakellian | I think I've seen it |
| 03:04.40 | Ryushin | Yea, I got rid of the decorations. I do have a 1600x1200 laptop display, but I was trying to make it the same size as the panel. |
| 03:04.44 | xijio | I think I'm denser than lead because I can't find it :) |
| 03:04.54 | Dhraakellian | although the bookmark toolbar is usually one of the first things that I turn off |
| 03:05.19 | Dhraakellian | Ryushin, does it have the window decorations around that? |
| 03:05.24 | Dhraakellian | s/that/it/ |
| 03:05.25 | ysm | Right click on the toolbar > toolbar > bookmark toolbar ? |
| 03:05.29 | Ryushin | Not anymore. :) |
| 03:05.44 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 03:05.51 | jkeel | xijo: it's really easy. Just right-click on the main toolbar, and go to Toolbars->bookmark toolbar |
| 03:06.04 | jkeel | xijio: it's really easy. Just right-click on the main toolbar, and go to Toolbars->bookmark toolbar |
| 03:06.27 | xijio | jkeel: that shows all bookmarks |
| 03:06.36 | xijio | is teher a way to only have certain links displayed there? |
| 03:06.46 | jkeel | xijio: hmm...I'm not sure |
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| 03:07.50 | jkeel | it really doesn't look like it |
| 03:07.58 | Ryushin | Is there a K application that will rotate my background every few minutes. I have thousands of background images that I usually rotate under E. |
| 03:08.05 | ysm | you put all the bad links inside a folder ;p |
| 03:08.41 | jkeel | Ryushin: the wallpaper changer app does that, I believe |
| 03:08.52 | ysm | jkeel: yeap.. |
| 03:09.04 | jkeel | :) |
| 03:09.10 | Dhraakellian | Ryushin, set the background to slide show |
| 03:09.21 | Ryushin | Okay, lets try that. |
| 03:09.29 | jkeel | it's worked well for me in the past |
| 03:09.44 | Dhraakellian | them* |
| 03:10.07 | jkeel | Dhraakellian: noticed your desktop in the screenie. I use those exact same backgrounds |
| 03:10.38 | Dhraakellian | jkeel, what do you think of the coloration I use? |
| 03:10.46 | jkeel | I like it |
| 03:11.13 | jkeel | I normally prefer something plainer, but I like yours :) |
| 03:11.28 | Dhraakellian | I also use the blending to darken the one I use on desktop 4 |
| 03:11.53 | Dhraakellian | but just flat with that one |
| 03:12.13 | jkeel | yes |
| 03:12.19 | jkeel | I really like that background |
| 03:12.19 | Dhraakellian | it's too bright otherwise |
| 03:12.26 | jkeel | yes |
| 03:12.34 | jkeel | the bright ones distract me somewhat |
| 03:13.01 | Dhraakellian | I wonder how it would look with the colors I have on desktop 3 |
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| 03:13.30 | Dhraakellian | hmm... although the moon svg is monochrome, iirc |
| 03:13.32 | jkeel | how did you do the nice blending and focus on the logo on desktop 2? |
| 03:13.37 | Dhraakellian | so it might not work as well |
| 03:13.45 | Dhraakellian | jkeel, look at the caption |
| 03:13.46 | jkeel | yes, it is mono |
| 03:14.12 | jkeel | sweet :) |
| 03:15.01 | jkeel | Dhraakellian: what kind of monitor do you have that does 1600x1200? |
| 03:15.41 | Dhraakellian | IBM P92 |
| 03:15.41 | ysm | yeah, definitely, I can't use konqueror... too much flashy things... |
| 03:15.41 | jkeel | Dhraakellian: crt, I suppose? |
| 03:15.42 | Dhraakellian | yeah |
| 03:15.51 | jkeel | I use a 19" lcd, 1280x1024 |
| 03:16.04 | jkeel | its native reso is that |
| 03:16.11 | Dhraakellian | http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=VLAR-3XVPSB |
| 03:16.30 | Ryushin | jkeel: my laptop does 1600x1200. |
| 03:16.41 | Dhraakellian | that link came in useful when I decided to redo my xorg.conf |
| 03:16.50 | jkeel | Ryushin: does it have a "native" resolution of 1600x1200? |
| 03:16.56 | Ryushin | Yes. |
| 03:17.10 | Ryushin | IBM makes the best. |
| 03:17.14 | jkeel | :) |
| 03:17.15 | Dhraakellian | P92 19.0-inch (17.9-inch viewable) Color Monitor (6557) |
| 03:17.17 | Ryushin | At least in laptops. |
| 03:17.28 | jkeel | Dhraakellian: I'll bet it did come in handy |
| 03:17.37 | jkeel | Ryushin: Apple's good too :) |
| 03:17.46 | Dhraakellian | finding vertical sync, refresh rate, etc |
| 03:17.50 | jkeel | yeah |
| 03:17.58 | Ryushin | That is true. They do find some of the best displays to go into their laptops. |
| 03:18.31 | jkeel | Ryushin: I have a powerbook g4 12" - 1024x768 resolution |
| 03:18.43 | jkeel | Ryushin: but I wanted a small laptop and I got a small screen to go with it ;) |
| 03:19.25 | Dhraakellian | the two horizontal lines 1/3 of the way from the top and bottom of the screen can be annoying at times, but only when I have white or bright colors at thase points. otherwise, they're hardly noticible |
| 03:20.07 | MrGrim | yuck trinitron |
| 03:20.10 | Ryushin | My laptop is all that I use and develop under. It's loaded to the gills. At least it was two years ago. 1 GB ram, 80 GB drive, P4 2 ghz, 1600x1200 screen, bluetooth, firewire, etc. Every cool thing that could go into a laptop I have in mine. |
| 03:20.54 | Dhraakellian | my monitor currently has 3 Star Trek style lego ships on it, a few other miscellaneous lego starships, and a lego star fury |
| 03:21.03 | Alethes | MrGrim: hairball? |
| 03:21.18 | Dhraakellian | oh, and a sheet with the sysrq keys taped on the side |
| 03:21.29 | Ryushin | Dhraakellian: Thank for helping me with my backgrounds. I've starting to feel at home now. |
| 03:21.31 | MrGrim | I can't wait to get rid of my trinitron crt |
| 03:21.41 | Dhraakellian | Ryushin, no problem |
| 03:21.45 | Alethes | I've gotta 19" trinitron |
| 03:21.50 | Alethes | I prefer a crt to an lcd |
| 03:22.08 | MrGrim | Alethes: I'd rather have a shadow mask crt than a trinitron |
| 03:22.38 | MrGrim | they get ugly as they age |
| 03:22.51 | MrGrim | Dhraakellian: YOU HAVE A TRINITRON |
| 03:23.02 | MrGrim | you kinda should know what that means |
| 03:23.06 | Dhraakellian | eh? |
| 03:23.06 | Ryushin | Dhraakellian: One more thing though, I can't drop down KPager's bottom edge to match the bottom of my screen. I think it's still acting as if there is a border around it. |
| 03:23.22 | Ryushin | Is there a way to lock Kpager into the panel? |
| 03:23.40 | MrGrim | how do you go buy a 19" crt and not be educated on the technologies behind them... they aren't exactly cheap |
| 03:23.43 | Dhraakellian | I think I saw something on kde-look quite a while back |
| 03:24.09 | Dhraakellian | MrGrim, heh... a friend of my brother |
| 03:24.16 | Dhraakellian | they were replacing them where he worked |
| 03:24.21 | MrGrim | hmm |
| 03:24.30 | MrGrim | Dhraakellian: the two lines are what give it away |
| 03:24.30 | Dhraakellian | we've had them for a number of years |
| 03:24.37 | MrGrim | those are lil' wires behind the screen |
| 03:24.40 | Ryushin | Never mind. If I change the panel's size to make it bigger, it draws Kpager up. |
| 03:24.45 | MrGrim | give it time and those wires will begin to sag |
| 03:24.54 | MrGrim | and cause convergance issues around the edges of the screen |
| 03:24.54 | Ryushin | Locking it into the panel would probably be best. |
| 03:25.07 | MrGrim | (blur and color problems) |
| 03:25.22 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 03:25.55 | MrGrim | mine trinitron alsa has uneven aging of the phosphors.. tho I'm not sure if that is a result of the technology |
| 03:26.08 | MrGrim | my blues and greens got darker faster than my reds |
| 03:26.11 | Dhraakellian | well, we've had these for at least... um... a while |
| 03:26.16 | MrGrim | and my monitor is only 5 years old |
| 03:26.41 | Dhraakellian | I know we had them back when the p75 still had OS/2 on it |
| 03:26.46 | Dhraakellian | which seems like ages |
| 03:26.53 | MrGrim | anyways... as far as aging goes trinitrons stink... a good shadow mask crt will last longer if it's built well |
| 03:27.05 | MrGrim | tho I am replacing mine with a dell 2405fpw 24" lcd |
| 03:27.22 | Dhraakellian | but I only actually started using linux primarily around 2001, iirc |
| 03:27.30 | MrGrim | well lemme rephrase.. the trinitron will last too |
| 03:27.33 | MrGrim | it just won't look as good |
| 03:27.49 | Dhraakellian | what exactly does "shadow mask" mean? |
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| 03:29.30 | MrGrim | Dhraakellian: there's a mask behind the phosphors with tiny holes all over it directly behind each phosphor element |
| 03:29.41 | MrGrim | so the electron beam can only hit the phosphor directly |
| 03:29.50 | Ryushin | Sometimes KDE's redraws of windows onto of other windows is slow. Is there a performance setting for this? |
| 03:30.03 | MrGrim | trinitrons don't use that |
| 03:30.08 | MrGrim | they rely on precise aiming |
| 03:30.38 | MrGrim | also the trinitrons don't technically have individual phosphor elements .. |
| 03:30.42 | MrGrim | they work a lil differently |
| 03:31.27 | MrGrim | anyways the result is brighter screen and more vivid colors |
| 03:31.27 | MrGrim | the cost is sharpness |
| 03:31.28 | MrGrim | and convergance problems |
| 03:32.22 | Dhraakellian | now, would the shadow mask also affect what resolutions could be displayed? |
| 03:32.32 | MrGrim | nope |
| 03:32.45 | Dhraakellian | or resizing/moving the picture? |
| 03:33.22 | MrGrim | Dhraakellian: a shadow mask crt is composed of a grid is phophor elements anyways... like all crt's except trinitrons |
| 03:33.35 | MrGrim | the shadow mask just makes sure the electron gun can only hit the phosphors directly |
| 03:33.36 | Dhraakellian | MrGrim, see, I don't know these things |
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| 03:34.04 | MrGrim | so if there's a slight misaim of the gun it doesn't excite phosphors near the target |
| 03:34.23 | Ryushin | Thanks all. Have a great night. |
| 03:34.33 | MrGrim | Dhraakellian: anyways... I figure I'm gonna spend all of my time on my pc staring at my monitor... it better look good |
| 03:34.42 | MrGrim | unfortauntely I was young and a sony fanboy when I bought mine |
| 03:34.47 | MrGrim | I have since been cured of both problems |
| 03:34.57 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
| 03:34.58 | MrGrim | I figured.. "hmm sony tech in a viewsonic monitor.. can't go wrong" |
| 03:35.26 | Alethes | my wife has an awesome viewsonic |
| 03:35.37 | Dhraakellian | "No one ever got fired for buying brand X" |
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| 03:36.07 | MrGrim | well right now I'm not too impressed w/ viewsonic or sony |
| 03:36.16 | Dhraakellian | hrm... |
| 03:36.24 | MrGrim | that dell lcd I'm getting has a samsung panel |
| 03:36.37 | Dhraakellian | don't tell me Firefox still requires root priviledges to install new search plugins... |
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| 03:39.30 | MrGrim | Alethes: I'm a bit curious about what a crt has you prefer over a lcd.. is it the ability to display any resolution properly, response time, or something else in a crt you can't live w/o? |
| 03:39.44 | MrGrim | hopefully it isn't something I haven't thought of :D |
| 03:39.51 | Alethes | I just prefer the way they look more |
| 03:39.55 | Alethes | don't know what it is |
| 03:41.12 | MrGrim | that's why I want an lcd :P perfect geometry... extremely sharp... mmmmm |
| 03:41.16 | Dhraakellian | Alethes: do you prefer the Captain Proton interface over the NX-01 interface? |
| 03:41.29 | MrGrim | Alethes: the one thing that bugs me most is I just cannot get the edges of the picture straight on my crt |
| 03:41.33 | MrGrim | that's always some amount of curving |
| 03:41.55 | SuperLag | where is the info stored for KMails e-mail accounts? |
| 03:41.56 | MrGrim | and that curving goes all the way through the image |
| 03:42.01 | MrGrim | I can see a bow in straight lines of text |
| 03:42.03 | Alethes | yeah, I finally got mine pretty damn straight |
| 03:42.06 | MrGrim | I think it might just be the age of my crt |
| 03:42.11 | MrGrim | bugs the piss outta me |
| 03:42.11 | SuperLag | I would have thought ~/.kde3.4/share/apps/kmail/ but that's not it |
| 03:42.29 | MrGrim | mine is also starting to get a high pitched whine |
| 03:42.30 | SuperLag | or ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ but that's not it either |
| 03:42.37 | MrGrim | like crt's do when they get old |
| 03:42.49 | SuperLag | MrGrim: what about increasing the refresh rate? |
| 03:42.58 | SuperLag | that usually eliminates the whine |
| 03:43.14 | MrGrim | the higher the refresh rate the worse the distortions on the edges of the image and the louder the whine |
| 03:43.20 | SuperLag | ouch |
| 03:43.36 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:43.38 | MrGrim | I run at 1600x1200 72hz |
| 03:43.47 | SuperLag | 19" or 21"? |
| 03:43.59 | MrGrim | if I drop to 1280x960 I get rid of the whine and the image gets less distorted |
| 03:44.03 | MrGrim | but I just can't work at that res |
| 03:44.05 | Dhraakellian | 19", 1600x1200, 76Hz |
| 03:44.05 | MrGrim | way too small |
| 03:44.08 | SuperLag | my 19's can do 16x12, but it's too small |
| 03:44.10 | MrGrim | 19" |
| 03:44.15 | SuperLag | way too small |
| 03:44.18 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:44.32 | Dhraakellian | SuperLag, meaning that the pixels are too small, I take it |
| 03:44.34 | MrGrim | SuperLag: well my fonts are all adjusted so I can read them |
| 03:45.07 | SuperLag | Dhraakellian: yeah |
| 03:45.07 | MrGrim | my gui is set to 8 point verdana |
| 03:45.18 | MrGrim | 11 dpi |
| 03:45.20 | MrGrim | erm 111 |
| 03:45.28 | Dhraakellian | note to all ignorant users: 800x600 is small, even though all your fonts are bigger with it, 1024x768 is still usable and has more real estate! |
| 03:45.48 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:45.49 | MrGrim | heh |
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| 03:46.25 | Dhraakellian | afaik, all of the computers on campus (except ones that have lcd monitors) are set to 800x600 at 60Hz |
| 03:46.33 | Dhraakellian | and reset to that on every bootup |
| 03:46.52 | MrGrim | a bigger monitor at the same res should give you more real estate too... fonts should use less room for the same size |
| 03:47.09 | MrGrim | erm |
| 03:47.10 | MrGrim | same res |
| 03:47.31 | MrGrim | the monitor I'm gonna be buying has a res of 1920x1200 with a 94dpi |
| 03:47.39 | Dhraakellian | so the first thing I do, before I even install Firefox or change the keyboard layout, I change the resolution to 1152x864 and the refresh rate to 75Hz |
| 03:47.52 | Dhraakellian | (or is the refresh rate higher? I don't remember) |
| 03:48.16 | MrGrim | I can't wait for the day the desktop is completely independant of the resolution |
| 03:48.47 | MrGrim | for everything to be measured in mm, and the dpi used to calculate it all |
| 03:48.53 | Dhraakellian | I would use 1280x1024 or 12880x960, but the highest refresh rate that most of the monitors on campus can do with that is 60Hz, which is way to flickery for me |
| 03:49.15 | Dhraakellian | 1280x960 |
| 03:49.34 | Dhraakellian | if the monitors could do 12880x960, even at 60Hz... |
| 03:49.43 | MrGrim | now that is a WIDE res |
| 03:50.36 | MrGrim | 214:9 aspect ratio |
| 03:50.39 | MrGrim | :P |
| 03:50.43 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
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| 03:57.06 | MrGrim | hmm my konvi window right now is wider than 800 pixels |
| 03:57.10 | MrGrim | 800x600 is TINY |
| 03:58.50 | Dhraakellian | xchat is 900x434 |
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| 06:45.44 | kendrick | well shit |
| 06:45.55 | kendrick | so i just got KDE 3.4 a few months ago, and now i'm drooling over KDE 4 |
| 06:45.59 | kendrick | timeline? :) |
| 06:48.18 | icyfire0573 | well, i dont have any information on this at all |
| 06:48.52 | icyfire0573 | but ive been looking at the rss feeds, and they are switching to the newest qt and all that, so there is going to be a large transition for them, i'd say minimum a year |
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| 06:49.50 | Codename_V | hi guys. I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to get konqueror to get rid of all it's cookies when you close it. is that possible? |
| 06:50.02 | Codename_V | automatically I mean |
| 06:51.02 | Codename_V | maybe this "treat all cookies as session cookies" is the option I want? |
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| 07:03.47 | kendrick | why is Battle for Wesnoth up on kde-apps.org!? |
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| 07:06.57 | kendrick | d'oh |
| 07:07.12 | kendrick | there's a series of Sony Plasma TVs with "KDE" in the model number >X^P |
| 07:07.19 | kendrick | makes it difficult to google for info on Plasma for KDE |
| 07:08.32 | aseigo | hahhaa |
| 07:08.38 | aseigo | DAMN YOU SONY! |
| 07:08.45 | red_beard | there's nothing to google for plasma I wouldn't think |
| 07:08.56 | aseigo | http://plasma.bddf.ca <-- start of the website |
| 07:09.02 | kendrick | hey aseigo |
| 07:09.04 | kendrick | thanks :) :) |
| 07:09.04 | aseigo | (excuse the crap content atm) |
| 07:09.20 | kendrick | fhe |
| 07:09.24 | kendrick | isn't this just a rip-off of apple's dashboard? |
| 07:09.26 | aseigo | (it'll be fleshed out over the next several days) |
| 07:09.26 | kendrick | hehehehehe >:^) |
| 07:09.33 | aseigo | don't make me smack you =P |
| 07:09.40 | kendrick | hee hee hee >:^) |
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| 07:10.38 | kendrick | slick looking site |
| 07:10.56 | eean | plasma itself sounds like it will be much slicker :D |
| 07:11.44 | kendrick | i have one karamba: liquidweather++ |
| 07:11.50 | aseigo | it's a holistic aproach to the desktop with usability, language bindings and high quality graphic design as a focus |
| 07:11.51 | kendrick | and honestly, i wish it were a panel applet :^( |
| 07:12.01 | aseigo | the high quality graphic design is the similarity i suppose =) |
| 07:12.07 | kendrick | because it sucks to have to minimize or window-shade all my windows, or move to another desktop, just to see it |
| 07:12.23 | aseigo | yep.. well, we've already decided that in plasma you'll have 2 ways around this: |
| 07:12.23 | kendrick | i'm at 1024x768 for fast OpenGL (yes, yes, old crappy computer) |
| 07:12.26 | aseigo | a: drag it to a panel |
| 07:12.36 | aseigo | b: use the "raise desktop" keyboard shortcut |
| 07:12.36 | kendrick | yes, that's what caught my eye :) |
| 07:13.32 | kendrick | hrm |
| 07:13.50 | kendrick | what about applets and files mixed in a konq view, much like you'd get them mixed on the desktop? |
| 07:14.10 | kendrick | one could drag-n-drop their own 'news' pages together, for example, based on news feeds, weather reports, etc. |
| 07:14.25 | kendrick | (ie, why restrict it to ~/Desktop/? :) ) |
| 07:14.26 | eean | you mean google.com/ig :D |
| 07:14.30 | kendrick | bah.. google. |
| 07:14.37 | eean | indeed |
| 07:14.50 | eean | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.57 | kendrick | hehe |
| 07:14.58 | eean | (on konqueror) |
| 07:15.03 | kendrick | maps rules me |
| 07:15.36 | kendrick | but yeah... can't use konq >:^( |
| 07:15.36 | kendrick | "default setting swill be carefully chosen" |
| 07:15.36 | kendrick | setting swill? sounds bad ;) |
| 07:16.22 | kendrick | "respecting the past experiences of a user is important. While creating this exciting new set of interfaces, the project is aware that it should not deviate too far afield from the status quo desktop design so that new users will not feel as if they've stepped into a completely alien landscape when they install and use KDE." |
| 07:16.28 | kendrick | *COUGH* GNOME *COUGH* |
| 07:17.23 | aseigo | swill. i must've been drinking bad beer at the time. |
| 07:17.26 | kendrick | ;) |
| 07:18.34 | kendrick | heh, one photo has ever been taken of canllaith, huh? :) |
| 07:18.49 | kendrick | i think i saw this same shot in this month's TUX |
| 07:19.07 | kendrick | my wife and i took photos of each other for our article on Tux Paint. i think they actually looked pretty cool :) |
| 07:19.19 | aseigo | ok. that and a few other things cleaned up. |
| 07:19.27 | aseigo | kendrick: url? |
| 07:19.40 | aseigo | and yeah, it's the same photo. i have others, but that's her standard pic for these things now i suppose =) |
| 07:19.42 | kendrick | of which? canllaith's photo? |
| 07:19.50 | aseigo | no, of your pics |
| 07:20.01 | kendrick | hehe, oh... www.tuxmagazine.com, download issue 3... page 14 or 18 or something? :) |
| 07:20.14 | aseigo | that's a lot of work. =P |
| 07:20.36 | kendrick | yeah.. they make one subscribe to be able to download |
| 07:20.39 | kendrick | i can snag a copy for you, if you care |
| 07:20.47 | kendrick | or, like, dig up the actual JPGs and throw them on my site somewhere |
| 07:20.49 | kendrick | i have a big nose :) |
| 07:20.59 | kendrick | (melissa disagrees, but whatever) |
| 07:21.08 | eean | hehe, most of the amaroK dev pictures are intentially bad :D |
| 07:21.39 | kendrick | URL? |
| 07:21.39 | aseigo | kendrick: that'd be cool. |
| 07:22.15 | aseigo | kendrick: ah, your partner is named melissa? heh.. that's a crazy girl's name. either crazy and great, or crazy batshit insane. that's just IME, of course. =) |
| 07:22.17 | eean | kendrick: http://amarok.kde.org/index.php?set_albumName=dev&option=com_gallery&Itemid=60&include=view_album.php |
| 07:22.36 | kendrick | DUDE |
| 07:22.48 | kendrick | speaking of crazy, my cat just made the WEIRDest noise and flew across the house |
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| 07:23.51 | kendrick | *whew* |
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| 07:26.29 | kendrick | wow, my home directory is HELLA cluttered |
| 07:26.36 | kendrick | 199 (non-hidden) files |
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| 07:27.02 | eean | hehe, yea it started prompting me when doing \t\t in ~ |
| 07:27.11 | kendrick | heh |
| 07:28.00 | kendrick | damnit... i found my TP article for RedHat Magazine |
| 07:30.40 | kendrick | maybe they were on melissa's laptop... i found it in my mail folder, though... untar time |
| 07:31.36 | CyberSpy | I am coming across an odd bug and I think it's KDE related and would like some help if any is familiar with cd/dvd mounting with KDE 3.4.1 |
| 07:32.07 | CyberSpy | when I insert a dvd or cd into one of my drives, it won't automount, and when I right click and select mount I get an error |
| 07:32.16 | kendrick | http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/tuxpaint-author-photos/ |
| 07:32.22 | kendrick | we both need hair stylists, i think :) |
| 07:32.26 | CyberSpy | but when I go to Konsole and mount /dev/cdrom it mounts |
| 07:32.35 | CyberSpy | has anyone experienced that? |
| 07:32.37 | kendrick | CyberSpy: what's the error? |
| 07:32.41 | kendrick | i haven't. :^9 |
| 07:32.44 | kendrick | err... :^( |
| 07:32.44 | CyberSpy | I am using Fedora Core 3 and KDE 3.4.1 |
| 07:32.50 | kendrick | that's the error? :) |
| 07:33.02 | CyberSpy | ould not mount device. |
| 07:33.02 | CyberSpy | The reported error was: |
| 07:33.02 | CyberSpy | mount: can't find /mnt/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 07:33.20 | kendrick | when you "mount /dev/cdrom", where does it mount? |
| 07:33.21 | CyberSpy | I can click unmount and it works though |
| 07:33.36 | CyberSpy | How would I determine that? |
| 07:33.41 | CyberSpy | I am still learning |
| 07:33.55 | kendrick | well, can you browse the CDROM in, say, Konq? if so, what's the "Location" bar at the top say? |
| 07:34.38 | kendrick | or, if you do "mount /dev/cdrom", where do you 'cd' into in the terminal (konsole) to get to the contents of the disc? |
| 07:34.38 | CyberSpy | [cyberspy@cyberspy ~]$ mount /dev/cdrom |
| 07:34.38 | CyberSpy | mount: block device /dev/hdb is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 07:34.38 | CyberSpy | [cyberspy@cyberspy ~]$ |
| 07:35.09 | kendrick | perhaps the mount point is not listed as "/mnt/cdrom" in /etc/fstab, but somewhere else (/cdrom, /media/cdrom, /mnt/cdrom0 or something else...?) |
| 07:35.31 | kendrick | now run "mount" and look for output related to '/dev/cdrom' and/or '/dev/hdb' |
| 07:35.32 | CyberSpy | in konq.. /media/cdrecorder2 <--- but it isn't cdrecorder2 |
| 07:35.36 | CyberSpy | it's the first of 3 |
| 07:35.43 | CyberSpy | so it would be cdrom0? |
| 07:36.00 | kendrick | i have no idea, not having a FC3 system with your drives :) |
| 07:36.05 | CyberSpy | I think Fedora Core 3 puts it in /media/ |
| 07:36.37 | kendrick | so right-click the CDROM icon on your desktop, select Properties, and change the mount point |
| 07:36.53 | CyberSpy | /dev/hdb on /media/cdrecorder2 type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,user=cyberspy) |
| 07:36.59 | CyberSpy | from "mount" |
| 07:37.31 | CyberSpy | but how can I fix it to automount or be able to select "mount" in kde? |
| 07:37.32 | kendrick | so "/media/cdrecorder2" is what you want in the properties of that CD icon, instead of "/mnt/cdrom" |
| 07:37.49 | kendrick | dunno about automount... never fiddled with any kind of automounting before |
| 07:37.54 | CyberSpy | I have 3, I am going to mount all 3 and see how they are placed first |
| 07:38.09 | CyberSpy | basically, when you insert a disc, it automatically mounts |
| 07:38.17 | kendrick | but... right-click, properties, device (tab), then device (type-in field) |
| 07:38.25 | kendrick | well, yeah, i know what it MEANS :) |
| 07:38.32 | kendrick | i've just never looked into setting it up or using it... |
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| 07:43.22 | kendrick | hrm, so recent Konq has a feature where it puts a little envelope icon next to the mouse pointer when hovering over a mailto: link |
| 07:43.45 | kendrick | it'd be cool if it had a little New WIndow icon if the URL has an external window target, so i'd know to right-click and say "Open In This Window"... |
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| 07:51.05 | CyberSpy | ah, they are all jacked up (the mounting points) only 1 of the cdrw's is accurate the other 2 are sharing a mount point |
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| 07:58.16 | CyberSpy | kendrick, I appear to have it working now.. I had to change around some of the mount points, as they don't correlate to the accurate device number |
| 07:58.33 | kendrick | cool... |
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| 07:58.50 | CyberSpy | hopefully Fedora Core 4 will have this fixed with KDE 3.4.1 |
| 07:59.05 | CyberSpy | it may just be my system as well |
| 07:59.06 | CyberSpy | who knows |
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| 07:59.47 | _poison | hi =) |
| 08:00.10 | sredna | Ho =) |
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| 08:03.17 | njaard | Failed to load plugin: /opt/js/lib/libavformat.so: undefined symbol: av_rescale_q |
| 08:03.19 | njaard | er |
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| 08:07.46 | kendrick | woah |
| 08:07.48 | kendrick | and i just found a bug |
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| 08:08.00 | kendrick | there's "Enter new wish, bug or crash" at the top of bugs.kde.org |
| 08:08.10 | kendrick | when i right-click it, i cannot open-in-new-tab or open-in-new-window |
| 08:08.16 | kendrick | but for the other links up there, i can |
| 08:08.18 | xijio | Grrrr. why does kmail say my mail server doesn't work |
| 08:08.25 | kendrick | i think the diff is that the "Enter new..." URL is the same as the URL I'm at |
| 08:08.26 | xijio | it works fine in thunderbird |
| 08:08.32 | xijio | same exact settings |
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| 08:08.35 | kendrick | (except, i'm looking at a POST- results page) |
| 08:08.35 | xijio | but kmail refuses to work |
| 08:08.40 | xijio | but it works on a different mail server |
| 08:08.46 | xijio | this has to be some sort of kmail bug |
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| 08:19.01 | kendrick | someone was smoking crack when they came up with the feature that causes this :) |
| 08:19.37 | njaard | oh hi kendrick |
| 08:19.40 | njaard | back in SJ :) |
| 08:19.43 | kendrick | hey! |
| 08:19.52 | kendrick | saw that German dude at SVLUG the other day |
| 08:19.52 | kendrick | ;) |
| 08:20.03 | kendrick | we should do lunch some day! |
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| 08:20.27 | njaard | I agree |
| 08:20.29 | kendrick | maybe i can drag my wife, and you guys can think of a way to explain kde-files.org to her |
| 08:20.36 | kendrick | (just kidding... i think she eventually posted that article :^) ) |
| 08:21.19 | njaard | kendrick: probably should wait a weekend or two |
| 08:21.34 | kendrick | i was thinking during a workday |
| 08:21.37 | kendrick | since you're in MV |
| 08:21.43 | kendrick | (well, assuming you start soon) |
| 08:22.40 | xijio | any ideas why imap doesn't work |
| 08:23.47 | njaard | that could work too |
| 08:23.55 | njaard | I start on monday |
| 08:24.20 | kendrick | cool |
| 08:24.43 | njaard | cool bug, bill ;) |
| 08:24.54 | njaard | I'm totally way past my bedtime however |
| 08:24.57 | njaard | ODed on caffeine |
| 08:25.27 | njaard | otherwise, I'd even think about considering looking at the code to see if I wanted to begin preparing to fix it for ya |
| 08:29.33 | kendrick | hehe :) |
| 08:29.41 | kendrick | is that the bug one? or the wish one? |
| 08:29.54 | njaard | the bug |
| 08:30.03 | kendrick | (the wish has to do with New Window links in Konq... the bug is the 'missing Open in new..' items for URLs that you're already looking at) |
| 08:30.15 | kendrick | Ah :) |
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| 08:30.51 | kendrick | I'm submitting another wish... add "Open in This Window" when right-clicking folders in FIle Browser view, if Konq's behavior is set up to open them in new windows by default... |
| 08:31.30 | kendrick | crap, i already used up my 100 votes on konq items |
| 08:33.40 | kendrick | njaard: i have an irc channel for us SF Peninsula geeks |
| 08:34.20 | njaard | but I'm south bay ;) |
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| 08:34.51 | kendrick | but you work on the peninsula |
| 08:34.58 | kendrick | i have a friend from sac who's on there >:^P |
| 08:35.01 | _poison | is there a way to force kde to display the wallpaper before the splashscreen ? |
| 08:35.09 | njaard | I'd happily work in the south bay if they moved the office ;) |
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| 08:38.13 | kendrick | hehe |
| 08:38.26 | kendrick | everything seems so close down here |
| 08:38.30 | kendrick | not like when i was in davis |
| 08:38.41 | kendrick | "oh man... sacramento!? that's, like, 20 minutes away! >X^P" |
| 08:39.08 | xijio | the imap server is a freebsd box running courier imap, thunderbird (and every other client I've ever used) works fine but kmail says the connection is broken |
| 08:39.11 | xijio | thoughts? |
| 08:39.28 | xijio | also kmail works on another imap server for me |
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| 09:01.05 | xst | There are plenty of themes for karamba that shows network usage in/out. But non of the once I have found scales the graph corresponding to the transferrate. E.g. if I only up-/download with 10kbps it is nonsence if the graph-max is 100mbps. Does anyone know a network monitor that scales the graph appropriately according to what to show? |
| 09:11.11 | kendrick | when is KDE 3.4.2 scheduled for release? |
| 09:11.13 | kendrick | (any ETA?) |
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| 09:13.25 | canllaith | When there are sufficient bug fixes? :P |
| 09:13.39 | IceD^ | congrats to konqi team |
| 09:13.44 | kendrick | yeah :) |
| 09:13.59 | kendrick | i know the news was on slashdot, but i'm also posting a longer blurb than they had there over to desktoplinux.com |
| 09:15.30 | xijio | anyone use gmail in konq successfully? |
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| 09:16.20 | _poison | xijio: not very successfully ... but gmail and kmail ^^ |
| 09:17.11 | IceD^ | xijio: me |
| 09:17.18 | IceD^ | xijio: however in `simple` mode |
| 09:17.21 | xijio | IceD^: faking user agent of just html mode |
| 09:17.23 | xijio | yeah |
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| 09:17.33 | IceD^ | btw - what browsers passed acid2 so far? |
| 09:17.39 | IceD^ | I know only about safari |
| 09:18.11 | xijio | konq did |
| 09:18.12 | _poison | IceD^: I believe non ... thats what the fuzz was about |
| 09:18.16 | xijio | it was on /. yesterday |
| 09:18.20 | _poison | xijio: when ? |
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| 09:18.41 | IceD^ | xijio: I know |
| 09:19.01 | xijio | http://slashdot.org/articles/05/06/04/] |
| 09:19.05 | xijio | grr |
| 09:19.11 | xijio | http://slashdot.org/articles/05/06/04/1440213.shtml?tid=121&tid=95 |
| 09:19.20 | kendrick | someone posted in that blog announcing konq acid2 that also icab3 (some mac browser) has, as welll |
| 09:20.28 | Zeep | yep, read it on planet kde |
| 09:20.50 | Zeep | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/1129 |
| 09:20.59 | Zeep | Icab3 Acid2: http://frederic.bezies.free.fr/acid2-2/icab3b270-acid2.png |
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| 09:21.21 | Flendor | Good morning. |
| 09:21.25 | Zeep | morning |
| 09:21.43 | oGALAXYo | merhaba |
| 09:22.17 | Flendor | Merhaba. |
| 09:22.18 | yalu | if I execute "synaptic" in the "run command" dialog, synaptic actually starts. I don't understand why kde can find synaptic, since it is in /usr/sbin . if I type "echo $PATH > /tmp/foo" in the run dialog, I can see that /usr/sbin is not in the PATH |
| 09:22.31 | Zeep | Salemaleikum! |
| 09:22.38 | yalu | does someone know how kde knows where to find synaptic |
| 09:22.39 | yalu | ? |
| 09:22.54 | Flendor | LOL Zeep :) |
| 09:23.57 | kendrick | so seriously, is there not even an ETA for 3.4.2??? |
| 09:24.04 | Zeep | Ahem ... |
| 09:24.28 | Zeep | KDE 3.4.1 was released one week ago ... |
| 09:24.34 | kendrick | yeah, so? |
| 09:24.34 | aseigo | kendrick: not yet. i mean, we just got 3.4.1 out, yeesh ;) |
| 09:24.37 | yalu | oh yes, distro is debian sarge and kde version is 3.3.2 |
| 09:24.50 | Zeep | eeeeh - KDE 3.3 ... |
| 09:24.53 | aseigo | kendrick: though given the usual schedule, i'd expect a 3.4.2 anywhere from 6-12 weeks from now |
| 09:25.16 | kendrick | yalu: you can get kde 3.4 for sarge from alioth.debian.org |
| 09:25.35 | yalu | kendrick: yes, thanks, I will install that at some point :) |
| 09:25.44 | kendrick | the article i'm writing says: "Fix for Acid2 test might be in 3.4.2." I should mention WHEN, if I can :) |
| 09:25.49 | yalu | it's not like I have a problem... just a question |
| 09:26.22 | kendrick | So, like, "KDE 3.4.2 is slated for release by Smarch 13th" |
| 09:26.25 | kendrick | hehe ;) |
| 09:27.13 | abdo | kendrick: just write: "KDE 3.4.2, whose release date is yet to be announced..." |
| 09:27.28 | kendrick | sounds good :) |
| 09:27.35 | abdo | there ya go |
| 09:28.06 | kendrick | "The fixes are already in KDE's 3.5 development branch, but will soon be merged into KDE4, and evaluated for inclusion in KDE 3.4.2, whose release date is yet to be announced." |
| 09:28.11 | kendrick | sound good? |
| 09:28.19 | IceD^ | I hope, there will be small patch for 3.4.1 |
| 09:28.25 | kendrick | maybe s/but will soon/and will soon/ |
| 09:28.51 | abdo | kendrick: actually... |
| 09:29.08 | abdo | instead of yet to be announced you could use yet to be determined |
| 09:29.08 | kendrick | anyone 'official' want to just proofread this to me? :) |
| 09:29.22 | kendrick | i don't want to send my wife something factually-bogus :) |
| 09:29.24 | kendrick | abdo: done |
| 09:29.35 | aseigo | kendrick: sure. if you send me that url. =P |
| 09:29.41 | kendrick | url? |
| 09:29.51 | kendrick | i'm entering article text into a form i'm about to submit :) |
| 09:29.53 | aseigo | pictures, god dammit! ;) |
| 09:30.00 | kendrick | aseigo: oh, of TUX Magazine? |
| 09:30.02 | kendrick | or my photos!? |
| 09:30.06 | kendrick | i posted the URL to my photos! |
| 09:30.13 | aseigo | oh. crap. i missed it. let's see. |
| 09:30.16 | kendrick | hahah |
| 09:30.24 | kendrick | http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/tuxpaint-author-photos/ i think |
| 09:30.44 | kendrick | EXTREME CLOSEUP |
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| 09:33.57 | aseigo | alright. sleepy time for me. g'nite people. |
| 09:34.33 | aseigo | kendrick: oh, you know, the usual. identity theft, emberassing phostoshopping |
| 09:34.44 | kendrick | cool |
| 09:34.58 | kendrick | cya "sirc user" |
| 09:35.03 | kendrick | i mean aaron |
| 09:35.23 | kendrick | or, at least, ignore irc so i can finish reading news and checking my email |
| 09:36.17 | aseigo | kendrick: cool photos. i like =) |
| 09:36.24 | kendrick | :) |
| 09:36.30 | kendrick | better than most others of me |
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| 09:37.22 | arrummzen | I am trying to build kdelibs-3.4.0, but im getting the error "file 'kmedia2.idl' not found" |
| 09:37.46 | arrummzen | What is wrong? |
| 09:37.52 | arrummzen | Where does that file come from? |
| 09:38.20 | aseigo | it is autogenerated. |
| 09:38.34 | aseigo | so your build is messing up for some reason. |
| 09:38.39 | arrummzen | hmmm... |
| 09:38.58 | arrummzen | Any ideas on how its messing up? |
| 09:39.12 | arrummzen | Thats just about the only error I get |
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| 09:42.44 | IceD^ | arrummzen: why do you build it yourself? |
| 09:43.43 | arrummzen | Because I can't find a precompiled tarball? |
| 09:43.58 | arrummzen | and don't have any kind of package managment system. |
| 09:44.18 | IceD^ | arrummzen: ;] |
| 09:44.24 | IceD^ | arrummzen: why so??? |
| 09:45.03 | arrummzen | I haven't installed one? |
| 09:45.27 | IceD^ | arrummzen: slackware or lfs??! |
| 09:46.14 | arrummzen | I don't use a distro |
| 09:46.28 | arrummzen | I had to assemble my system by hand. |
| 09:46.51 | arrummzen | I think im the only person in the world who would want a configuration like mine, so I didn't make a distro for it. |
| 09:49.02 | yalu | hm, btw: does anyone use Metal4kde from kdelook? I can install the win decorations, but kcontroll can't find the style |
| 09:49.15 | yalu | arrummzen: what is so special about your configuration? |
| 09:50.04 | arrummzen | I have a filesystem distributed across 9 loop devices, each of which apply 8 layers of AES256, 4layers of Twofish and 2 layres of AC01 before writting it to the hard disk. |
| 09:50.27 | arrummzen | I strip my data accross 9 hard disks, in 5 physical machines. |
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| 09:50.55 | arrummzen | Its an encrypted, distributed, software RAID. |
| 09:51.14 | arrummzen | All the systems boot of the network, and keep critial system files on a initrd. |
| 09:52.06 | IceD^ | arrummzen: oh oh |
| 09:52.48 | IceD^ | arrummzen: probably smth like gentoo with custom profile and several custom ebuilds will be better solution? |
| 09:53.19 | arrummzen | I am thinking about installing portage (the gentoo package system). |
| 09:53.42 | arrummzen | It took me months to set this thing up. |
| 09:53.47 | IceD^ | arrummzen: yes - or just get the portage |
| 09:53.49 | arrummzen | Its not a trivial thing. |
| 09:53.58 | arrummzen | I would hate to mess it up. |
| 09:56.09 | IceD^ | I don;t have such a complex setup |
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| 09:56.32 | IceD^ | but do have something unusual as well |
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| 09:57.08 | IceD^ | gentoo + custom profile + five ebuilds was OK |
| 09:57.34 | IceD^ | btw |
| 09:57.45 | IceD^ | in your case konstruct (?) can help |
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| 09:58.03 | arrummzen | I could never get konstruct to compile =( |
| 09:58.07 | IceD^ | not sure if the name is right |
| 09:58.48 | IceD^ | also, you can simply grab gentoo's ebuilds |
| 09:59.12 | IceD^ | and look how they performs build |
| 09:59.20 | arrummzen | so where can I download portage? |
| 10:00.09 | IceD^ | http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/portage-2.0.51.22.tar.bz2 |
| 10:00.18 | IceD^ | you will need tree as well |
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| 10:00.35 | IceD^ | I'd suggest to grab boot cd and install it at the test PC |
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| 10:04.50 | arrummzen | What should I symlink /etc/make.profile to? |
| 10:05.18 | yalu | arrummzen: better read the portage documentation at the gentoo website... it's excellent |
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| 10:05.44 | Kano | hi |
| 10:05.55 | Kano | is there a fix for that stupid gtk bug already? |
| 10:05.55 | arrummzen | ok |
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| 10:06.41 | IceD^ | arrummzen: or /j #gentoo - I don't think that #kde is really good place to discuss portage issues |
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| 10:07.40 | Sir_HaL | quick KDE question: I have SuSE 9.3 & KDE 3.4 and I want Konqueror to display the properties of files differently. When I r-click on a file in Konqueror and go to Properties, then to the Permissions tab, it does not state the permissions in the way I am used to. I think that the way I am used to is a numerical format. For example, I look at the permissions of a file that I know is 755 (is there a name for that format?), but in Konqueror, it |
| 10:07.58 | yalu | Sir_HaL: click advanced |
| 10:08.20 | Sir_HaL | ... and I'm a new user, by the way |
| 10:08.36 | yalu | welcome to the wonderful world of open source then ;-) |
| 10:08.41 | mhall | alright, this is ridiculous. I've spent all day fighting to get KDE not to freeze at initializing system services in ksplash for non-root, and even for regular root it's very slow. I pared the system down to the minimum core kde packages and it's still happening. Debian Sid, both KDE 3.3 and 3.4-pre behave identically. |
| 10:09.07 | Sir_HaL | yalu, I've clicked on "Advanced Permissions" |
| 10:09.10 | yalu | hmm |
| 10:09.17 | mhall | Does anybody have an idea? I could not find any way to get some kind of very verbose log into .xsession-errors either |
| 10:09.33 | mhall | so i really have no idea what's happening internally to kde that i can't see on screen |
| 10:09.46 | Sir_HaL | yalu, and that's where it shows the nine check-boxes... they're accurate, but not how I'm used to seeing them. |
| 10:09.53 | mhall | the other thing, kicker is flaky as shit |
| 10:09.59 | yalu | Sir_HaL: kde has always shown permissions like that |
| 10:10.03 | mhall | and frequently will not even let me open up the K menu |
| 10:10.25 | mhall | and it still happens when i delete all my dotfiles and /tmp files and/or use a different new user |
| 10:10.26 | mhall | wtf |
| 10:10.32 | Sir_HaL | yalu, so at least I know it's not me. :) |
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| 10:42.21 | dvj | How do I disable image autoresize in konqueror when viewing in "gallery" mode? (kde 3.4) |
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| 11:43.28 | notbadname | Hello Everybody |
| 11:44.41 | notbadname | i freqently get this error when dialing pppd[0]: --> stdin not read/write and $MODEM not set |
| 11:45.17 | notbadname | anybody has any idea? |
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| 12:55.00 | Bubble | hey guys |
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| 12:55.20 | Bubble | i wanted to install kaffeine 0.4.3, but i got an error while compiling |
| 12:55.26 | Bubble | http://phpfi.com/64592 |
| 12:55.46 | Bubble | please help me :)+ |
| 12:58.43 | Bubble | no idea? |
| 12:59.14 | dubaddaao | nope |
| 12:59.28 | Bubble | hmm |
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| 13:04.10 | boldii | hi |
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| 13:21.07 | StevenR | Bubble: can u paste more of the error message? |
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| 13:41.58 | Flendor | Re. |
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| 13:49.58 | Bubble | StevenR, this is all text i've got: http://phpfi.com/64607 |
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| 14:17.45 | dpy | does anyone here know how to set default fonts etc.. for kformula ? |
| 14:17.56 | bernd | Hi. Is there a special group for kdevelop or maybe automake problems? |
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| 14:18.51 | dpy | kformula anyone ? |
| 14:19.12 | bernd | Ok I found the channel kdvelop ;) |
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| 14:35.42 | StevenR | Bubble: something seems very broken...have you tried a gentoo specific channel? |
| 14:36.08 | Bubble | StevenR, yep |
| 14:36.37 | Bubble | i'll try in gentoo now..... (first i asked in gentoo-anfaenger) |
| 14:36.53 | StevenR | Bubble: it seems your qt is broken or something...i'm not really certain quite whats wrong with it |
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| 14:48.19 | Ringwraith` | hi human39 |
| 14:48.29 | human39 | good morning all - simple question: I began mucking around with my themes and such and now my font are all messed up. is there a way to revert back to the "install" default? |
| 14:48.35 | human39 | Ringwraith`, hello! |
| 14:50.14 | grepper | well, you can reconfigure the fonts in kcontrol |
| 14:50.31 | human39 | grepper, Ive tried that. still they look all grainy. |
| 14:51.04 | grepper | not sure what you mean by grainy. Is AA still enabled ? |
| 14:51.37 | human39 | grepper, yes. |
| 14:51.45 | human39 | whats the default theme with kde? |
| 14:51.57 | human39 | cause thats what started this. |
| 14:52.25 | grepper | well, if your install is still pretty new you can mv you KDEHOME to a new name |
| 14:52.30 | grepper | usually ~/.kde/ |
| 14:53.02 | grepper | when you login again kpersonalizer will be run |
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| 14:53.18 | grepper | or you can just run "kpersonalizer" |
| 14:53.43 | human39 | grepper, yes, I just updated to 3.4 yesturday. |
| 14:54.18 | grepper | well, that's not what I meant |
| 14:54.44 | grepper | if you have been using kde for a while then there is quite a bit in KDEHOME you will want to keep, so don't remove it |
| 14:55.07 | human39 | oh, I gotcha. |
| 14:55.47 | grepper | fonts are in ~/.kderc I think, for general stuff |
| 14:57.19 | bluesceada | anyone can tell me how i can burn .ac3 files with k3b ? thanks for any help ! |
| 14:57.39 | crashbg | there was nice kde screen capture app in kde packet, what was its name because i cant find it |
| 14:58.50 | bluesceada | can|imac: ksnapshot |
| 14:59.00 | bluesceada | ehm |
| 14:59.03 | bluesceada | crashbg: ksnapshot |
| 14:59.05 | crashbg | BlueBird, thanks :) |
| 14:59.06 | grepper | crashbg: often in the "other" folder of "graphics" on menu |
| 14:59.07 | bluesceada | sry |
| 14:59.08 | crashbg | ups |
| 14:59.11 | crashbg | bluesceada, haha |
| 14:59.13 | bluesceada | -.- |
| 14:59.14 | bluesceada | ;D |
| 14:59.16 | crashbg | thank you :) |
| 14:59.19 | bluesceada | np |
| 14:59.22 | grepper | er, "more applications" I mean |
| 14:59.28 | bluesceada | now anyone knows how to burn *.ac3 files |
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| 15:01.47 | dubaddaao | burn as normal audio ? |
| 15:02.06 | dubaddaao | audio cd (stereo , 44khz ) |
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| 15:36.40 | Tm_T | root flood! |
| 15:37.43 | _root | has anyone ever use kopete? |
| 15:38.09 | FreeWW | has anyone ever use kopete? |
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| 15:38.15 | Zalamander | hi |
| 15:38.30 | FreeWW | hi |
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| 15:38.42 | Zalamander | compiling kopete, configure can't find "X includes". Which files is it looking for, and which configure option can I use to specify them (I don't see one for "X includes" specifically) |
| 15:38.44 | FreeWW | my kopete can not login msn |
| 15:38.50 | sredna | FreeWW: I use kopete daily |
| 15:38.56 | sredna | FreeWW: /topic |
| 15:38.57 | Zalamander | FreeWW you gotta do what I'm doing, upgrade :-) |
| 15:39.37 | FreeWW | you mean that I should upgrade my kopete? |
| 15:39.39 | FreeWW | right? |
| 15:39.43 | Zalamander | yes |
| 15:39.48 | sredna | Zalamander: You need to install xorg-devel or xfree-devel, depending on which X you use |
| 15:40.05 | FreeWW | can you tell me what is the lastest version? |
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| 15:40.21 | Zalamander | sredna ah, makes sense. I thought I had those, but it's been a long while since I actually used them, so I'll check. Thanks |
| 15:40.38 | Zalamander | FreeWW .10.1 is the one you need |
| 15:40.47 | FreeWW | ok, thanks |
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| 15:43.13 | Zalamander | configure is happy now, thanks sredna. I always forget about those dang devel libs :-) |
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| 16:21.08 | wsjunior | catalogmanager just crash when i try to update :/ |
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| 16:22.04 | gnoob | anyone happen to know what parts of KDE i need in order to use AudioCD from konqueror, where i can rip CD's using konqueror? I have kde installed with gentoo split ebuilds. |
| 16:23.08 | ponto | gnoob: normally it is part of kdemultimedia. and it depends on cdparanoia. and for encoding on lame and the ogg tools |
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| 16:27.00 | gnoob | ok, ponto, so cdparanoia does the actuall ripping underneath? |
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| 16:27.18 | ponto | gnoob: yes if i remember correctly |
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| 16:28.32 | gnoob | ponto; thanks. I will try installing that. I have the kdemultimedia-kioslave installed already. I think i also need that. |
| 16:29.05 | ponto | gnoob: why not installing everything what somehow sounds like KDE? |
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| 16:30.18 | gnoob | ponto; i just sometimes think KDE overruns me with stuff if i insall all of KDE by default. |
| 16:30.29 | gnoob | some stuff i do not mind other stuff i do not care for. |
| 16:30.53 | ponto | but it only wastes some hard disc space when you do not use it. |
| 16:31.12 | ponto | and you might always discover something useful. |
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| 16:32.44 | gnoob | well, i have isntalled KDE as a whole before. In the past. |
| 16:32.46 | jcurry | does anyone remember a recent post (maybe on planet kde) which had a script implementing a timer with kdialog with a progressbar? my google-fu is failing me :( |
| 16:32.53 | morgajel | quick question- I installed kde 3.4, and it's got this horrid little popup thing when I hover over the K menu icon, desktop access icon and a few others. How do I turn that off? I've been through the control center twice and still can't figure it out. I'm not sure what it's proper name is so googling has been much help. |
| 16:33.14 | eean | its a tooltip |
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| 16:33.45 | gnoob | yeah, i liked it better when the icon would just get bigger. No tooltip. |
| 16:33.51 | jcurry | morgajel, right click on the panel > panel menu > configure panel |
| 16:33.58 | eean | yuck, I hated the icon being bigger |
| 16:34.11 | jcurry | layout, apperaence tab |
| 16:34.25 | eean | it was the one thing I'd have to change when on a default kde install |
| 16:34.31 | jcurry | uncheck "enable icon mouseover effects" |
| 16:34.46 | morgajel | thanks jcurry |
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| 16:34.57 | jcurry | aseigo_cook will love to hear your complaints about this :) |
| 16:35.00 | jcurry | morgajel, sure |
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| 16:36.38 | angela | join me on #yeah |
| 16:36.39 | morgajel | aseigo_cook: well, it annoyed me for about 3 weeks, and I ignored it. then my wife complained about it within 24 hours of me upgrading her to 3.4... when the wife complains, it's not something you can ignore anymore. |
| 16:36.49 | morgajel | jcurry: will that work? :) |
| 16:38.04 | jcurry | morgajel, aseigo_cook is planning big things with kicker/desktop...hang on a bit, and kicker/desktop (ie, plasma, http://plasma.bddf.ca ) is going to be fucking beautiful |
| 16:38.26 | morgajel | oooh, I can't wait |
| 16:38.33 | jcurry | the fading in tooltips were a temporary measure (as i understand it) to get rid of the ugly zooming |
| 16:38.47 | gnoob | huh, i already have cdparanoia installed. |
| 16:38.47 | jcurry | he must be busy cooking now :) |
| 16:39.22 | gnoob | nah, the zooming was not ugly. |
| 16:39.22 | jcurry | morgajel, also take a look at cool stuff on http://kde-artists.org/main/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,48/expv,0/board,5.0 |
| 16:39.32 | tiefox | i saw lars bloggin about native gradient support in XORG...will this mean we can have gradient styles for KDE ? |
| 16:39.46 | jcurry | gnoob, aseigo thought it was, and he is elbows deep in code |
| 16:39.49 | eean | the zooming was very ugly to be OS Xish |
| 16:39.57 | jcurry | gnoob, if you wanna change stuff, get elbows deep too :) |
| 16:39.59 | eean | very ugly *attemplt |
| 16:40.22 | eean | tiefox: don't we have gradients out the yahoo already? |
| 16:40.31 | jcurry | tiefox, we can have gradients in styles now... |
| 16:40.58 | tiefox | ala winxp ? |
| 16:41.11 | jcurry | tiefox, the native support in xorg means that qt might use it in their toolkit's drawgardient() function |
| 16:41.24 | jcurry | tiefox, which means it'll just be faster |
| 16:41.38 | jcurry | tiefox, there is a theme that looks like xp, i think |
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| 16:41.45 | jcurry | i just think that xp is butt-ugly |
| 16:41.53 | jcurry | check kde-look.org |
| 16:42.21 | tiefox | i culdnt find any theme with gradients in the window "background" |
| 16:42.58 | morgajel | jcurry: I'd really like my Mac friend to STFU about linux being ugly.... last time he used linux he was using twm or something |
| 16:42.59 | eean | that's not a theme thing I wouldn't think |
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| 16:43.37 | jcurry | tiefox, baghira's brushed metal style does crazy stuff with window backgrounds and gradients |
| 16:43.54 | jcurry | tiefox, but if there are no others, its because no one has coded them |
| 16:44.08 | jcurry | morgajel, lol, my desktop resembles a mac |
| 16:44.28 | tiefox | alright...exactly..there is no others...only baghira...wich has metal background and the striped one.. |
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| 16:44.46 | morgajel | he's the type to bitch about anything that isn't blessed by jobs |
| 16:44.52 | morgajel | doesn't matter what it is :) |
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| 16:45.23 | brk3 | hi, i keep getting this pop up in kde saying 'could not find application mine type octet-stream'. anyone know how do I add this mime type to make it stop..? |
| 16:45.37 | morgajel | brk3: I've gotten that |
| 16:45.58 | morgajel | you getting a ksyscocoa message or something like that? |
| 16:46.02 | brk3 | morgajel: please tell me you got rid of it! |
| 16:46.06 | brk3 | driving me crazy |
| 16:46.06 | morgajel | brk3: yes |
| 16:46.18 | morgajel | I got it whenever I tried to run tellico or k3b |
| 16:46.29 | morgajel | brk3: are you using gentoo by any chance? |
| 16:46.37 | brk3 | no kubuntu |
| 16:46.40 | morgajel | hrm |
| 16:46.44 | brk3 | how did you fix it? |
| 16:47.01 | morgajel | the problem I had was I was still logging in using kde3, but compiled/installed everything for 3.4 |
| 16:47.09 | morgajel | I simply logged in under 3.4 |
| 16:47.42 | morgajel | I also removed /tmp/kde-morgajel/ksycoca |
| 16:47.45 | brk3 | must have reset the settings.. im just not sure what to reset to make it go back to normal |
| 16:47.48 | jcurry | brk3, try, in konsole, kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 16:48.13 | brk3 | jcurry: will that reset everything..? |
| 16:48.15 | jcurry | if that doesn't work, try google...it's a common problem, i'm not sure what the cause is |
| 16:48.17 | morgajel | brk3: I'm by no means a kde internals expert- I just blundered across a fix |
| 16:48.22 | jcurry | brk3, not your settings |
| 16:48.42 | morgajel | jcurry: I think it might be related to 3.3->3.4 updates |
| 16:48.47 | morgajel | something ain't parsing right |
| 16:49.02 | jcurry | brk3, it won't break anything afaict, ianaKDE devel |
| 16:49.04 | brk3 | morgajel: i havent done any updates it just started happening for no apparant reason |
| 16:49.08 | jcurry | morgajel, maybe |
| 16:49.23 | brk3 | whats the --noincremental argument do? |
| 16:49.23 | jcurry | brk3, try removing those tmp files also |
| 16:49.35 | jcurry | --noincremental Disable incremental update, re-read everything |
| 16:49.44 | jcurry | brk3, honestly, it will not break anything |
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| 16:50.00 | jcurry | some sorta kde internal database |
| 16:50.03 | brk3 | jcurry: right just trying those things now |
| 16:50.11 | jcurry | honmestly, you'll survive :) |
| 16:51.02 | brk3 | ok.. didnt work :( |
| 16:51.08 | brk3 | damn this anyway why me |
| 16:51.19 | jcurry | try google? |
| 16:51.25 | brk3 | seems like the kind of thing thats gonna be hard to make go away |
| 16:51.25 | brk3 | ya |
| 16:51.25 | morgajel | brk3: have you tried googling for kubuntu octet scream |
| 16:51.31 | jcurry | like,put the error in quotes |
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| 16:51.43 | morgajel | brk3: it should be an easy fix, it's just a matter of finding it |
| 16:51.48 | brk3 | just found loads of unanswered pages of people having the same prob |
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| 16:52.02 | brk3 | il try googling for kubuntu octet scream |
| 16:52.10 | jcurry | brk3, not even kubuntu, this is a common problem...i remember, i just searched google and fixed it |
| 16:52.37 | brk3 | il try kde octet stream then |
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| 16:54.22 | morgajel | brk3: do me a favor |
| 16:54.25 | brk3 | yes :) think its fixed |
| 16:54.29 | morgajel | cool |
| 16:54.30 | morgajel | how? |
| 16:54.35 | brk3 | just did this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/03/msg00165.html |
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| 16:54.53 | brk3 | was trying that anyway but didnt think you had to add something in the filenames box to make it save |
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| 16:55.14 | morgajel | well congrats |
| 16:55.22 | brk3 | thanks for the advice all |
| 16:55.26 | morgajel | np |
| 16:56.16 | GWLlosa | Hey all. Quick question: When I use KDE Desktop Sharing and connect to it with a remote client, and start typing, I frequently get a problem whereby it takes some random keypress I've made and assumes I've held down the key for a few seconds. Is there any way to fix this? |
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| 16:58.37 | jcurry | sounds like a network or X problem |
| 16:58.49 | jcurry | honestly, maybe ask in ##linux? |
| 16:58.55 | mki4ok | some speak spanish????? |
| 16:59.01 | GWLlosa | I just did :) |
| 16:59.02 | jcurry | i can't think of anything else |
| 16:59.05 | gnoob | i have a problem somewhat like that but it's my KVM, if i type to fast sometimes. |
| 16:59.18 | GWLlosa | I just turned off keyboard repeat for now |
| 16:59.23 | GWLlosa | that'll hold till I figure it out :) |
| 16:59.23 | jcurry | mki4ok, ? |
| 16:59.48 | mki4ok | speak spanish here??? |
| 17:00.02 | jcurry | there is a spanish kde site |
| 17:00.16 | jcurry | somewhere :) |
| 17:00.33 | mki4ok | i got a problem with server |
| 17:00.46 | chillmann | www.google.com/search?q=kde%20spanish might do it |
| 17:01.13 | mki4ok | i try now |
| 17:01.50 | chillmann | http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE :-) |
| 17:02.06 | chillmann | but obviously you know what KDE is |
| 17:02.19 | mki4ok | no not is it |
| 17:02.29 | mki4ok | in my chat |
| 17:02.51 | mki4ok | chance server in my chat |
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| 17:03.15 | mki4ok | use freenode |
| 17:03.19 | chillmann | mki4ok: sorry, but I don't really get what you're trying to tell me |
| 17:03.33 | jcurry | maybe, he is looking for a spanish kde channel? |
| 17:03.43 | mki4ok | yeah |
| 17:03.47 | chillmann | ah ok |
| 17:03.51 | mki4ok | jcurry yes is it |
| 17:04.01 | mki4ok | + |
| 17:04.10 | jcurry | i check all the ones that came to mind, they are empty |
| 17:04.22 | jcurry | i'm looking on http://es.kde.org/ |
| 17:05.05 | chillmann | there are some people in #kde-es |
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| 17:05.52 | jcurry | heh. some |
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| 17:06.27 | jcurry | i'm sure there is info on es.kde.org, but i can't find it, because it is in spanish :( |
| 17:06.48 | chillmann | jcurry: info about spanish kde channels? |
| 17:06.59 | mki4ok | yes info |
| 17:07.09 | jcurry | like i said, i can't find anything |
| 17:07.42 | mki4ok | jcurry hablas espaņol |
| 17:08.05 | chillmann | mki4ok: try /join #kde-es |
| 17:08.06 | jcurry | mki4ok, si, pero poco |
| 17:08.24 | jcurry | mki4ok, muy poco :) |
| 17:08.26 | mki4ok | mas o menos cuanto??? |
| 17:08.42 | chillmann | jcurry: you too ;-9 |
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| 17:09.18 | mki4ok | hey por k no intentan meter gente de habla espaņola aki |
| 17:09.26 | mki4ok | entienden |
| 17:09.39 | jcurry | no idea |
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| 17:09.59 | mki4ok | where you from??? |
| 17:10.09 | jcurry | russia :) |
| 17:10.38 | mki4ok | is good russia |
| 17:11.11 | chillmann | .oO( boah, alter ich flieg ja immer aus den Socken wenn ein Spanier Englisch spricht...) |
| 17:11.29 | mki4ok | what time is in rusia |
| 17:11.58 | mki4ok | what is spricht |
| 17:14.00 | mki4ok | este irc permite MAYUSCULAS VERDAD |
| 17:14.35 | mki4ok | AH K BIEN |
| 17:15.27 | mki4ok | NO ENTIENDEN PERO YA ME VOY MARA HAY NOS WACHAMOS AL RATO OK :) |
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| 17:18.43 | seb___ | hi fellows |
| 17:18.53 | markey | yo sebr |
| 17:19.14 | seb___ | when clicking a hard-drive icon on my desktop to mount it, it works fine. Pops up a konqueror window to browse it too. |
| 17:19.23 | seb___ | then I close this konqueror, and try to unmount my disk |
| 17:19.31 | seb___ | and it says it's busy |
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| 17:19.47 | seb___ | lsof shows that a konqueror process is actually still accessing my HD |
| 17:20.09 | seb___ | what's the right way of doing this ? I mean, killing is an option, but it's not really convenient |
| 17:22.26 | seb___ | no ideas ? |
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| 17:23.47 | ponto | seb___: do you have an unmount option, when you right click on the icon? |
| 17:24.05 | seb___ | sure |
| 17:24.05 | seb___ | that's when it says it's busy :) |
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| 17:24.38 | seb___ | because of this konqueror process that somehow is still running althouhg I did close the corresponding window |
| 17:27.18 | ponto | is this problem reproducable? |
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| 17:30.42 | gthms | i didnt see this any where in the docs, but i setup kdm to load on startup, and it loads just fine.. but if i tell the currently logged in user to log off it goes to a black screen with a mouse and i have to ctrl + alt + backspace to get it to reload kdm.. any way of fixing this? oh and im running fbsd 5.4 |
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| 17:33.11 | kuno | seb___: What distro are you using. On google i found a (somewhat) matching description for red hat and debian. |
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| 17:33.27 | kuno | seb___: http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2004/09/msg00012.html Seems to have a workaround. |
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| 17:37.48 | nexu | whats the name of the kde util to take screenshot again ? |
| 17:38.15 | gthms | anyone know on that issue? |
| 17:38.49 | ponto | neko: ksnapshot |
| 17:39.23 | nexu | thx |
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| 17:41.20 | xpato | hi |
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| 17:41.48 | xpato | what its the app to poweroff kde? |
| 17:42.11 | xpato | i need it to exit the session when pusshing the button |
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| 17:47.09 | Alethes | anybody here using or that has used the noia icon set? |
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| 18:26.49 | Seb | ok, arts fails to start for me |
| 18:26.53 | Seb | how do Ifind out why ? |
| 18:27.44 | langenberg | Seb: run it from the command line and look for errors. |
| 18:27.52 | Seb | langenberg: just arts ? |
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| 18:28.09 | langenberg | yeah, think it's called something like that :) |
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| 18:29.19 | Seb | k |
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| 18:30.04 | langenberg | Seb: artsd |
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| 18:37.39 | hackeron | anyway to make KDE stop freezing when I open nfs shares over a slow network? |
| 18:38.14 | yannux | saluttt tlm |
| 18:38.26 | gnoob | hackeron; you running portmap? |
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| 18:38.55 | hackeron | gnoob: I am |
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| 18:39.15 | hackeron | gnoob: otherwise its very, very slow at mounting |
| 18:39.16 | gnoob | hmm, i am out of ideas then. :) |
| 18:40.15 | sredna | Use something else |
| 18:40.22 | sredna | Like fish |
| 18:41.04 | xst | I use karamba and have tried a bunch of different network traffic monitors. But non of them "scales" the graph. That is, if I in a period only download/upload with max 10 kbps then the graph amplitude should be scaled more than if I download 100 kbps in a period. Does anyone know such a theme for karamba? |
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| 18:43.15 | chx | hi. Is there a KDE which gives me syntax tips when coding in PHP ? |
| 18:43.44 | chx | +edit |
| 18:43.46 | chx | or |
| 18:43.52 | chx | eh |
| 18:43.56 | chx | hi. Is there a KDE editor which gives me syntax tips when coding in PHP ? |
| 18:44.31 | dubaddaao | quanta ? |
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| 18:44.57 | hackeron | gnoob: PS, I'm talking about hangs when listing directories (as in waits for server to respond and hangs konqueror) |
| 18:45.05 | dubaddaao | http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/ |
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| 18:45.35 | dubaddaao | http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/screenshots//shot1.png |
| 18:45.51 | gnoob | you don't have any other network problems? |
| 18:46.31 | hackeron | gnoob: nope, no problems, nautilus also just shows an animation while waiting for server, but konqueror hangs for a minute or two |
| 18:47.29 | gnoob | hackeron; yeah, i am just a noob myself. I don't think i can help ya. I just knew that i was not running portmat and it took forever to connect. Thought maybe there was a chance that's what you meant. |
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| 18:48.35 | chx | what I need is that if I type a function name and press something (or maybe even automatically) the syntax comes up in a tooltip... |
| 18:49.09 | chx | and I can't get Quanta to do that |
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| 18:49.25 | weaszel | how do i rearrange the items on the kde menu? |
| 18:49.26 | chx | I created a project and added all my PHP libraries |
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| 18:51.45 | chx | I see it happening with HTML files http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/screenshots//shot3.png here |
| 18:52.06 | chx | also http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/screenshots//shot6.png |
| 18:52.26 | ysm | it's don't work with lib.. only with function declare inside the file or php default function |
| 18:52.27 | gnoob | hackeron; This seems to be a good resource for NFS. I skimmed it a bit. Talks about setting packed size and a few other things when connections are bad. http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/index.html |
| 18:52.45 | hackeron | gnoob: I'm talking about a konqueror bug..... |
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| 18:52.50 | gnoob | oh |
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| 18:52.54 | gnoob | ok |
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| 18:53.43 | lethal_ | in konqueror, i added a "link to device" in the toolbar, i cant find any way to edit it! |
| 18:54.34 | gnoob | I thought you said nautilus was hanging also. |
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| 18:55.30 | chx | ysm: "inside the file" -- I would be to happy to change that file |
| 18:55.36 | hackeron | gnoob: nautilus *wasnt* hanging, it was showing an animation, which is good :) -- I want konqueror to do this as other tabs are unusable otherwise |
| 18:55.44 | chx | ysm: I make a living with coding with a specific library |
| 18:55.54 | chx | ysm: so it's a wise investment of my time |
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| 18:56.15 | chx | ysm: the other option is buying Zend for three hundred bucks and then it does not support all the kde io parts |
| 18:56.38 | lethal_ | When i have an aterm open but minimized, when i open a second one sometimes it autogroups, and sometimes it doesnt, why? |
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| 18:56.58 | ysm | or the other options is too add the scanning of include file... or add a way to scan some file for a project.. in quanta |
| 18:57.46 | chx | ysm: could you please elaborate a bit? I do not understand :( |
| 18:57.55 | ysm | that would be a nice feature for the next quanta release.. |
| 18:58.26 | chx | ah |
| 18:59.29 | chx | ysm: so can you point out something to RTFM to extend the php autocomplete? |
| 19:02.30 | ysm | manual??? |
| 19:02.46 | chx | ysm: http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/docs/ this? |
| 19:03.07 | chx | aaaaaaaah http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/docs/extending-quanta-3-2.html#dtep-intro-3-2 |
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| 19:03.17 | chx | this is bit buried |
| 19:03.53 | Frost^ | any qt designer users here? |
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| 19:08.21 | chx | ok, one last question. http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/docs/download-resources.html I can't find these menu items mentioned |
| 19:08.56 | chx | oh, I am stupid |
| 19:08.57 | chx | found |
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| 19:10.54 | lippel | Frost^: just ask, maybe someone can help. |
| 19:11.45 | chx | thanks all |
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| 19:12.21 | Frost^ | lippel, I'm either an idiot or this is a bug, but I add spacers and then try to preview the form, and I don't see anything different |
| 19:12.50 | Frost^ | I set the minimum size for a form, and in preview mode I can still resize it as much as I like |
| 19:13.38 | lippel | you have to add everything to a layout |
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| 19:14.01 | Frost^ | lippel, can you explain? |
| 19:14.03 | lippel | group widgets horizontal, vertical or in a grid |
| 19:14.14 | Frost^ | that's for the spacers, right? |
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| 19:15.39 | lippel | Frost^: can you upload a screenie of your dialog? |
| 19:15.41 | lippel | or the ui |
| 19:15.57 | Frost^ | yeah, sure |
| 19:16.04 | Frost^ | one sec |
| 19:16.15 | lethal_ | I can hide konqueror's menu bar (ctrl+m), but how can i save this? so the next time i open konqueror it stays hidden? |
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| 19:17.37 | Frost^ | lippel, one sec, my hdd is full |
| 19:17.37 | chx | hi again. http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/screenshots//shot9.png this shows that it is possible indeed for quanta to autocomplete from included files |
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| 19:20.24 | Frost^ | lippel, http://members.lycos.co.uk/sweiss3/extra/form1.ui |
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| 19:21.52 | chx | however, this does not work for me. maybe it's for classes only :( ? |
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| 19:23.09 | Simpleguy | Hi, is this an appropriate place to talk about a strange issue I am having with KDE 3.4.0 FTP io-slave |
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| 19:23.37 | PieD | Simpleguy: yes, it is |
| 19:23.47 | PieD | but you should consider upgrading to KDE 3.4.1 |
| 19:24.14 | Simpleguy | source is downloading :) |
| 19:24.41 | lippel | Frost^: what exactly is your problem with the spacers? |
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| 19:25.20 | Frost^ | lippel, the spacers work after adding a layout, but not before. the minimum size feature doesn't seem to work though |
| 19:25.38 | lippel | Frost^: spacers are not for forcing minimum dialog size, but to align elements i think |
| 19:25.47 | lippel | at least that's how i use them |
| 19:26.03 | Frost^ | yeah lippel I know, but look at the form's properties |
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| 19:29.11 | Frost^ | lippel, thing is I'm using this tutorial: http://women.kde.org/articles/tutorials/kdevelop3/index.html |
| 19:29.20 | Frost^ | which kinda confused me about the spacers |
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| 19:32.47 | lippel | Frost^: hmm, there must be a way to set the minimum size of a dialog depending on the widgets in it |
| 19:33.25 | lippel | putting a minimum size in pixels is not the right way i think. |
| 19:33.52 | lippel | looking for the right property... i have dialogs here that behave that way, but i don't see the corresponding option |
| 19:33.52 | Frost^ | I'm trying to learn how to use this tool |
| 19:34.14 | Frost^ | and I must say I've never thought I'd find a tool as such to be so difficult to learn |
| 19:34.40 | lippel | compared to other UI design tools? |
| 19:35.07 | Frost^ | maybe I never thought UI design in general is that complex |
| 19:35.22 | Frost^ | I used to do little VB coding a few years ago |
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| 19:36.18 | markey | *newsflash* amarok 1.3-beta1 tarball just finished |
| 19:36.24 | markey | build testers wanted :) |
| 19:36.27 | markey | http://amarok.kde.org/download/amarok-1.3-beta1_RC1.tar.bz2 |
| 19:36.42 | PieD | markey: I'm testing the svn version, and it works fine :) |
| 19:36.51 | markey | :) |
| 19:36.57 | markey | still I need testers for the tarball |
| 19:37.02 | markey | to make sure it builds right |
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| 19:45.34 | PieD | markey: I'm building it... |
| 19:45.45 | PieD | hey it failed immediatly |
| 19:45.45 | markey | PieD: don't bother, it's broken |
| 19:45.47 | markey | just noticed |
| 19:45.55 | markey | needs a new attempt |
| 19:46.01 | PieD | configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files! |
| 19:46.06 | lethal_ | can i add shortcuts to folder to konquerors toolbar? |
| 19:46.38 | lippel | Frost^: hmm, i don't get why the dialog can be resized freely, without respecting the minimum sizes of the widgets in there |
| 19:47.09 | drasko | hi all. where is kdesktoprc file? |
| 19:47.26 | drasko | hi all. where is kdesktoprc file? |
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| 19:47.50 | PieD | drasko: ~/.kde/share/config ? |
| 19:48.01 | lippel | Frost^: when i create a new dialog, add a lineedit and combobox and choose layout in a grid, it works as it should |
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| 19:49.14 | Alex[RM-UK] | Hi |
| 19:49.46 | Alex[RM-UK] | I have a Mysteries Menu Item on my Kmenu - I never put it there, and when I right click and go to Menu Edit. It's not there listed...and I cant get rid of it |
| 19:49.56 | Alex[RM-UK] | How can I get rid of it? |
| 19:50.27 | Alex[RM-UK] | Actually, no .... It is there when I run Menu Edit - BUT when I delete it and save...it still stays there |
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| 19:51.36 | drasko | PieD, my $KDEHOME is empty. Should it be ~/.kde? |
| 19:52.01 | PieD | drasko: why do you want it to be set ? |
| 19:52.55 | lippel | Frost^: apart from that, you can all spacers except the one on the bottom, and put the content if the "details" box in a grid |
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| 19:53.22 | drasko | PieD, I am reading somethiong about kiosk mode and I am trying to find this files to be modified. For example konquerorrc, or kcalcrc... |
| 19:53.34 | Alex[RM-UK] | How can I get rid of this 'Ghost' Icon ? |
| 19:53.50 | Alex[RM-UK] | It remains there, even know I deleted it from kDE Menu Editor |
| 19:53.54 | PieD | drasko: everything must be in ~/.kde |
| 19:54.38 | drasko | PieD, yes, you were right! Thanks. |
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| 19:57.01 | apollo2011 | I have KDE and Gnome installed on Ubuntu (ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop packages). I am used to using KDE but wanted to try out Gnome. However, now that I hae Gnome, its login manager is set as the default and I would prefer to use the KDE login manager. How do I switch back to the KDE login manager? |
| 19:57.44 | drasko | how to save kde session? |
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| 19:57.57 | Alfred1881 | hey all , is there a command to update all the kde 3.4 packages |
| 19:58.05 | PieD | drasko: what do you mean ? |
| 19:58.09 | PieD | Alfred1881: which distribution ? |
| 19:58.25 | Alfred1881 | mandrake |
| 19:58.48 | PieD | we are not responsible for the mandrake packages |
| 19:58.55 | Alex[RM-UK] | How come when I delete an Item with Menu Edit, Save it. The Item STILL stays there?! |
| 19:59.00 | drasko | PieD, icon positions, which applications were opened at logout and that stuff... |
| 19:59.17 | PieD | please consider asking on #mandrake, where people are more likely to be aware about the KDE packaging @ mandrake |
| 19:59.18 | lippel | Frost^: reason found: the <p align="center"> in the title breaks the layout |
| 19:59.35 | Alex[RM-UK] | And when I move System or Ultilites folder, they just disapear instead of moving them to the folder I want? |
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| 20:00.09 | PieD | drasko: if you want an application to be reopened at startup, you only have to have it running when you close your session |
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| 20:00.53 | drasko | PieD, I am trying to set kiosk with kde. So I want startu at guest user, with for example firefox runnig, without access to toolbars... |
| 20:01.03 | Alex[RM-UK] | What the fu*k ...this Menu editor DOESNT WORK |
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| 20:01.25 | PieD | drasko: I can't answer you, I never tried kiosk |
| 20:01.32 | PieD | Alex[RM-UK]: which distribution ? |
| 20:01.33 | Alex[RM-UK] | The folder's I had 2 mins ago, have now all gone, even know they are there in Menu edit, |
| 20:01.37 | Alex[RM-UK] | Kubuntu |
| 20:01.44 | lippel | Frost^: centering labels isn't a good idea anyway |
| 20:01.52 | PieD | here it works perfectly |
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| 20:02.23 | Alex[RM-UK] | Not here, I have folders hiding them selfs, fodlers renamnig them selves, items beeing sutban and NOT deleting, |
| 20:02.32 | Alex[RM-UK] | stuban* |
| 20:04.27 | Alex[RM-UK] | Why is this doing this?! |
| 20:04.52 | Alex[RM-UK] | I've just lsot 30 + Items...now I have to add them all in one by one....even know they are there in Kmenu edit but not in the actually menu! |
| 20:05.34 | Alex[RM-UK] | my Internet folder renamed it's self to Internet - 2 and removed all content and left me with Konqueor |
| 20:05.46 | Frost^ | lippel, I'm learning how to use it as I go |
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| 20:05.57 | Frost^ | thanks for the all the tips |
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| 20:06.08 | Alex[RM-UK] | Just never use Kmenu Edit |
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| 20:06.43 | ysm | Alex[RM-UK]: : did you try the hard method, remove the ~/config/menus folder? and then restart your kde sessions? |
| 20:07.01 | Alex[RM-UK] | I dont want to loose all my items though, |
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| 20:07.28 | ysm | you have personal items? |
| 20:07.41 | Alex[RM-UK] | Items I have made my self, moved around, renamed yes |
| 20:08.00 | ysm | ok, don't do that ;p |
| 20:08.06 | Alex[RM-UK] | :) |
| 20:08.48 | Alex[RM-UK] | Ha, this is great - Moved my Office Folder to the Main Section.....Yet it's still not there, |
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| 20:09.07 | Alex[RM-UK] | Menu Editor??? I can think of a better name....Menu Destroyer |
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| 20:09.59 | Alex[RM-UK] | I am ;-) |
| 20:11.49 | Alex[RM-UK] | I've tried moving them around saving...not working. I have 7 folders with about 7 items in each.....I only have 4 folders there, with 1 in each, all different names to what I wanted |
| 20:12.37 | ysm | hum, its working right now, /me moves another folder... |
| 20:13.17 | Alex[RM-UK] | Do this - Make a SubMenu Folder thingcalled Programs - Then inside that make a folder called Accessories - Then try and put System and Ultilites in there |
| 20:13.44 | Alex[RM-UK] | they dissapear - This isn't just a Kubuntu and KDE 3.4 problem ... this has happend on suse, mandrake, Arch, Vector using different versions |
| 20:14.08 | ysm | ok, I will try that.. |
| 20:14.36 | ysm | SubMenu Folder inside what? |
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| 20:15.03 | Alex[RM-UK] | Right - In the Main MEnu Part, Create a SubMenu called Programs |
| 20:15.13 | Alex[RM-UK] | then Inside the Programs SubMenu - create one called Accessories. |
| 20:15.32 | ysm | ok, |
| 20:15.40 | Alex[RM-UK] | then inside the Accessories folder, place System and Ultilites |
| 20:16.10 | ysm | it's saving.. |
| 20:16.52 | ysm | yeah, and then? |
| 20:16.59 | Alex[RM-UK] | go to it, |
| 20:17.00 | Alex[RM-UK] | are they there? |
| 20:17.31 | ysm | yes in Programs > Accessories > ... |
| 20:17.42 | Alex[RM-UK] | :(:(:) |
| 20:17.51 | Alex[RM-UK] | why doesnt it work with me? on any disrto with any kde |
| 20:18.21 | ysm | maybe it's only with english kde version... |
| 20:18.44 | Alex[RM-UK] | what version do you run? |
| 20:18.58 | ysm | 3.4.1 on fedora core 3, french |
| 20:19.19 | Alex[RM-UK] | :( |
| 20:19.28 | Alex[RM-UK] | now im left with no menus haha |
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| 20:19.41 | Alex[RM-UK] | maybe it will be ok when I restart I dunno |
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| 20:53.26 | Blayde64 | how can i start kde3.4 ?? i just installed it from my freebsd 5.4 disk and i cant figure out how to run it |
| 20:53.51 | bline | startkde |
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| 20:55.40 | Blayde64 | could it have installed without a dependancy on xorg??? |
| 20:55.45 | RedRose | what is the differance between KDE and gnome? |
| 20:56.02 | PieD | RedRose: KDE rocks while gnome sucks |
| 20:56.16 | PieD | KDE is shorter to type |
| 20:56.19 | RedRose | ty, but why are they difference? |
| 20:56.33 | PieD | because it is two different projects |
| 20:56.38 | PieD | with totally different ideas |
| 20:56.47 | RedRose | what are they? |
| 20:56.49 | ysm | two different widget library |
| 20:56.50 | PieD | for instance, configuration |
| 20:57.02 | PieD | gnome => hide everything in their horrible gconf |
| 20:57.03 | RedRose | k |
| 20:57.15 | PieD | KDE => a lot of things available from config dialogs |
| 20:57.23 | PieD | it was a Thundertroll ? |
| 20:57.31 | ysm | kde => show everything inside many configure 'my app' |
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| 20:57.46 | bline | Blayde64: I have no ides about freebsd deps. You will need xorg or Xfree though. startkde should be ran inside some X init like .xinitrc, or if you want to use kdm, you'll need to set that up. |
| 20:58.36 | ysm | gnome => use low memory and cpu usage, kde => use high cpu usage and memory even if the application is not shown |
| 20:59.01 | visio | i have a question about kappfinder. it scans the drive, finds the apps, when i click on apply it says theyre added, but when i goto the menu they arent. and it only happens for this specific user. any suggestions? |
| 20:59.14 | Blayde64 | thanks bline : for the record freebsd has x11 library dependancy, but it doesnt actually install xorg!!! |
| 20:59.23 | PieD | ysm: gnome, low on memory ??? |
| 20:59.28 | PieD | it is a joke ! |
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| 21:00.15 | visio | kde3.4 on fbsd5.4 if that helps any |
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| 21:00.22 | ysm | pied, depend on the apps.. |
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| 21:01.05 | PieD | globally, a gnome desktop uses more memory than an equivalent KDE desktop, with equivalent KDE applications launched off course |
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| 21:01.29 | PieD | if you start launching firefox, totem, gaim on KDE, then "KDE" will eat memory |
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| 21:02.36 | steffenstrobel | hello, i have one trivial question: where can i disable the kde startup sound? thanks! |
| 21:06.30 | ysm | 70512 Virt. 24m Res. 19m Shr. S 1.6 %CPU 9.9 %Mem 0:16.42 kopete |
| 21:06.32 | ysm | 42852 Virt. 6840 Res. 24m Shr. 4096 S 3.6 %CPU 2.7 %Mem 19:47.49 gaim |
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| 21:08.51 | PieD | ysm: don't you forget features ? |
| 21:09.11 | ysm | oh yeah, gaim: 3 protocols, kopete: 1 |
| 21:09.29 | PieD | ??? |
| 21:09.39 | PieD | kopete supports more than 4 protocols here |
| 21:09.53 | PieD | kopete has a wonderful integration with kontact, konqueror |
| 21:09.57 | ysm | I mean, there is currently 3 protocols connected in gaim, and only 1 in kopete |
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| 21:11.22 | Drone4four | hello i am new to Linux and am running on FC3 w/o KDE |
| 21:11.40 | Drone4four | ...i am slowly learning how to navigate my HD with commands isntead of a GUI |
| 21:12.06 | Drone4four | uh, which pkg should idownload from here: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/ |
| 21:12.11 | Drone4four | contrib? |
| 21:12.18 | Drone4four | definately not SUSE |
| 21:12.59 | Drone4four | ah nvm, i found the right pkg |
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| 21:13.14 | ysm | yum groupinstall KDE |
| 21:15.03 | ysm | or use kde-redhat package... |
| 21:19.13 | Drone4four | after install, must i reboot? |
| 21:19.35 | ysm | only the session... |
| 21:19.55 | pinotree | Drone4four: logout & login again |
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| 21:25.51 | anisX | greetings ppl |
| 21:27.26 | ysm | hum, great kontact and konqueror integration, lol, I can't use them on my komputer |
| 21:27.46 | PieD | if you can't use them, you can't use KDE ! |
| 21:28.04 | PieD | KDE isn't kdesktop + kicker |
| 21:28.07 | ysm | I use kde desktop, nothing else |
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| 21:28.28 | ysm | and sometime kolourpaint + ksirtet + ksnapshot |
| 21:28.40 | PieD | then it is totally stupid to use what you call KDE |
| 21:29.09 | PieD | why can't you use konqueror and kontact ? |
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| 21:29.43 | ysm | Because konqueror give me headache with his flashy menu/toolbar and can't render my webpage... |
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| 21:32.43 | The_Lord | Hi! |
| 21:32.49 | jcurry | 'lo |
| 21:32.58 | The_Lord | any experienced qt programmer? |
| 21:33.31 | jcurry | no, sorry |
| 21:33.35 | jcurry | try #kde-devel |
| 21:33.36 | sredna | The_Lord: 1) just ask your question. 2) join #kde-devel or #qt |
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| 21:50.29 | Pamelaa_xx | http://impact.ba/~utopia/PamelaAnderson.exe |
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| 21:52.43 | SiKee | I installed kde 3.4.1 on my slack 10.1 system and the Style list in the Control Center is missing most of the styles that actually look good. I got the Slack packages from kde.org |
| 21:53.40 | PieD | [23:50:36] <Pamelaa_xx> http://impact.ba/~utopia/PamelaAnderson.exe ==> nice backdoor... |
| 21:54.06 | anisX | PieD : for windows only |
| 21:54.23 | PieD | anisX: yes, off course |
| 21:54.38 | PieD | I never saw somebody giving .exe files for mono |
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| 22:38.26 | hajma | hello, I know the command update-menus restores broken menu. Is there a command to restore broken file associations? |
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| 22:41.23 | gnoob | just right click the file and do "Open with" |
| 22:41.41 | gnoob | make sure you select the remember checkbox at the bottom |
| 22:41.53 | gnoob | hajma; |
| 22:41.55 | grepper | "kbuildsycoca --noincremental" |
| 22:42.04 | grepper | hajma: ^^ |
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| 22:49.27 | luminerd | Hello, is there a way with kmenuedit to tell what the icon of the app's location is |
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| 22:49.39 | mae | hallo gents. |
| 22:50.22 | luminerd | hey mae |
| 22:50.32 | luminerd | do you know about kmenuedit? |
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| 22:50.57 | mae | um.. ya what about it |
| 22:51.04 | grepper | you want to know what icon the program uses luminerd ? |
| 22:51.40 | luminerd | grepper, well I want to know the location of some icons, and the icons are being used by programs that are in kmenuedit |
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| 22:52.18 | grepper | it will be in the desktop file, but not the absolute path, it will depend on the theme that you are using |
| 22:52.42 | luminerd | grepper...I need to know where my supertux icon is, not theme-able |
| 22:53.39 | grepper | locate supertux|grep xpm |
| 22:54.06 | luminerd | oh its an xpm? |
| 22:54.40 | lauri | if it's a kde icon, kde-config --path icon, find in those directories for it |
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| 22:55.14 | lauri | kmenuedit works out the path, based on those directories + size + current icon theme + the name given in the desktop file |
| 22:55.28 | lauri | (actually icon theme before size though) |
| 22:55.44 | grepper | some distros put it in /usr/share/games , as debian does here |
| 22:55.51 | luminerd | I see |
| 22:56.05 | luminerd | ok well thanks for the help, I think it is this xpm I just can't use it in the eapp editor |
| 22:56.24 | lauri | well, debian does unholy things to all the paths, so ignore all that for debian |
| 22:56.46 | luminerd | I'm on slackware |
| 22:56.48 | lauri | most KDE icons are png (or svg, and if no extension is given, it will try several) |
| 22:56.51 | grepper | eh ? |
| 22:57.01 | grepper | what unholy things does debian do ? |
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| 22:57.30 | lauri | $KDEDIR/share/doc/HTML/en becomes something entirely different |
| 22:57.58 | lauri | result is that you can't self-compile KDE applications and have them find their resources (docs, icons, data files), unless you also have a self-compiled KDE |
| 22:58.44 | lauri | on any other distribution, you can set $KDEDIRS to a colon separated set of prefixes, and that will work, you can't do that on debian |
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| 22:59.19 | grepper | $ kde-config --path html |
| 22:59.20 | grepper | /usr/share/doc/HTML/ |
| 22:59.24 | grepper | is that wrong ? |
| 22:59.33 | hajma | grepper: thank you, it worked fine! |
| 22:59.40 | lauri | do you have an en/common in that directory? |
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| 22:59.56 | lauri | with kde-default.css in it? |
| 23:00.00 | lauri | (among other things) |
| 23:00.26 | grepper | /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/kde-default.css |
| 23:00.35 | lauri | see how that is not under the path given by kde-config? |
| 23:00.45 | lauri | that's the problem, in a nutshell |
| 23:01.20 | lauri | debian packages are altered to deal with it, KDE applications (and the build system, and self-compiled apps) are not |
| 23:01.38 | lauri | so on debian only, kde-config is not a useful application for locating resources for KDE applications |
| 23:02.15 | grepper | hmm |
| 23:03.27 | StevenR | morning all |
| 23:05.47 | lauri | and you can't fix it by setting KDEDIRS (because if you set it to say, include /usr/share/doc/kde, obviously the icons are not there at all, they're somewhere entirely else) |
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| 23:06.28 | paztulio | how to logoff/poweroff via dcop? |
| 23:06.32 | lauri | it's one of the many per-distro quirks that explains why the topic asks people with problems to state their distribution |
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| 23:06.55 | grepper | can't say I've run into it |
| 23:06.58 | lauri | paztulio: you need to talk to the session manager (ksmserver) - kdcop should be able to dig out the right parameters |
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| 23:07.11 | lauri | grepper: do you self compile kde applications and mix them with debian packages? |
| 23:07.23 | mpee | paztulio, dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface logout |
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| 23:07.49 | grepper | lauri: heh, forget what I said, forgot I was running HEAD atm :P |
| 23:07.50 | lauri | oh of course, you can get at the logout applet from kdesktop too (nice trick!) |
| 23:08.04 | grepper | yes, I usually compile my own but use dh_make |
| 23:08.06 | lauri | grepper: it only hits if you have some of each, if you've all of one or the other, it's not a problem |
| 23:08.20 | lauri | I suppose dh_make knows how to fix the paths to suit debian |
| 23:08.25 | grepper | yep |
| 23:08.34 | lauri | but it'd be cool if kde-config would be patched on debian to return the correct paths too |
| 23:08.59 | grepper | talk to calc in #debian-kde :) |
| 23:09.03 | lauri | because it does come up constantly (developers who run debian packages for all but their one module or app, and then try to build that one themselves) |
| 23:09.09 | lauri | grepper: feel free |
| 23:09.09 | grepper | though he is not doing as much as he used to |
| 23:09.31 | grepper | what should kde-config --path html return ? |
| 23:09.32 | lauri | me and the debian packagers have a bit of history, they don't like me much :) |
| 23:09.37 | grepper | with --prefix /usr |
| 23:09.42 | MrGrim | imagine that... |
| 23:09.43 | grepper | ah |
| 23:09.51 | lauri | oh bugger off MrGrim |
| 23:09.55 | MrGrim | lauri: you can be a bit.... forceful |
| 23:09.56 | lauri | grepper: whatever the HTML directory is |
| 23:09.58 | grepper | calc is pretty thick skinned |
| 23:10.01 | lauri | MrGrim: and I lack of the caring |
| 23:10.19 | MrGrim | lauri: relax... that was 64% meant as a compliment :) |
| 23:10.21 | lauri | calc's ok :) |
| 23:10.48 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.01 | grepper | ah, ok |
| 23:11.02 | lauri | grepper: and for a self-compiled kdelibs, that'd be right |
| 23:11.14 | lauri | but for debian packages, it's not, there's an extra /kde/ in there |
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| 23:11.21 | lauri | ditto for icons, and all the other types |
| 23:12.24 | lauri | the real problem is, if you don't use your dh_make thingy (and I guess, lots of people don't know to/how to/apps aren't prepped for it) then the build system *will use* kde-config to find out where to install things to |
| 23:12.37 | grepper | even when I use checkinstall, I haven't had problems afaict |
| 23:12.39 | lauri | since that's mostly what it's for :) |
| 23:12.57 | lauri | grepper: trust me, it is a problem, but only for that subset of users mixing compiled with packages |
| 23:13.01 | grepper | unless checkinstall is patched for kde |
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| 23:13.59 | lauri | it may not be worth fixing for most people (for instance, most apps get by with stock icons, and kdelibs knows where to find them, so icons only go missing for those few apps that install their own custom ones) |
| 23:14.40 | lauri | and well, if you're not reading the docs, people won't notice that they're not available (the kind of person mixing built + packages, often doesn't access the docs, they tend to be developers working on their own app, for instance) |
| 23:14.56 | grepper | I see |
| 23:16.04 | lauri | so, the result is really apparently randomly missing icons, docs and other resources (I guess the .mo files would be affected by this too) for self-compiled apps, and the reason why isn't terribly obvious |
| 23:16.25 | lauri | what *is* handy though, is being able to use kde-config in scripts and things, or when supporting people, to find out prefixes and things |
| 23:17.04 | lauri | asking a total beginner 'what is your kde prefix' can result in some entertaining answers, because they don't understand the question, so i often just ask "what does kde-config --prefix' say? |
| 23:17.22 | grepper | sure, but kde-config --prefix works at least |
| 23:17.46 | lauri | yeah, and if they read thet topic and told me it's debian, I know not to go much further with kde-config, and ask them other stuff instead :) |
| 23:18.30 | lauri | it's no more of a distro quirk than many others have, in the end |
| 23:18.39 | grepper | I think many of the --types do work |
| 23:18.53 | lauri | I don't have access to any debian to test |
| 23:19.10 | lauri | if you can figure out which ones do and don't, it might be worth mentioning on the wiki or somewhere though |
| 23:19.16 | grepper | brb, I'll boot into 3.4.1 |
| 23:19.24 | grepper | er. log into |
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| 23:25.20 | xpato | what its the app to poweroff kde? |
| 23:25.24 | xpato | i need it to exit the session when pusshing the button |
| 23:25.35 | xpato | poweroff buttoon |
| 23:25.39 | Alethes | killall X :D |
| 23:25.49 | xpato | no really |
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| 23:26.26 | lauri | kde can only shut down the machine if kdm is running |
| 23:26.39 | lauri | and it does that by running /sbin/halt or the equivalent for your os/distribution |
| 23:26.40 | xpato | yes |
| 23:26.44 | xpato | ok |
| 23:27.06 | xpato | but when i click "Log out" in the kde menu |
| 23:27.08 | lauri | so first log out of KDE, then run halt (probably witha parameter if you want to shut the power down, halt -p for me) |
| 23:27.12 | lauri | xpato: yes |
| 23:27.18 | xpato | i shows a gui |
| 23:27.30 | grepper | phebehouse.dyndns.org/paths.txt |
| 23:27.32 | xpato | how can i call that gui from the clo |
| 23:28.16 | lauri | grepper: those are with $KDEDIRS set |
| 23:28.20 | lauri | ? |
| 23:28.35 | grepper | nope, that is stock debian |
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| 23:28.40 | grepper | no KDEDIRS |
| 23:28.46 | grepper | nor KDEDIR |
| 23:28.52 | lauri | html |
| 23:28.53 | lauri | /home/robert/.kde/share/doc/kde/HTML/:/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/ |
| 23:28.55 | lauri | that's fascinating |
| 23:29.05 | grepper | heh |
| 23:29.14 | grepper | maybe my oneliner messed u |
| 23:29.15 | grepper | p |
| 23:30.16 | lauri | but the fact it's also altering the paths inside $KDEHOME is truly fascinating |
| 23:30.18 | grepper | could be :) |
| 23:30.34 | grepper | or maybe the advent of xdg stuff forced their hand |
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| 23:31.02 | lauri | could be |
| 23:31.16 | lauri | either way, it might be the end of a very longstanding issue, thanks for that |
| 23:31.28 | grepper | glad I could be of some help |
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| 23:39.46 | oggb4mp3_ | Does anybody know how to get kde to display temperature in Fahrenheit? |
| 23:39.56 | oggb4mp3_ | I have measurement system set to imperial |
| 23:41.49 | grepper | heh, I had the opposite problem, fixed now |
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| 23:44.27 | oggb4mp3_ | how'd you fix it? |
| 23:45.09 | grepper | I forget ? |
| 23:45.15 | grepper | probably same way you did |
| 23:45.20 | grepper | in kcontrol |
| 23:45.28 | oggb4mp3_ | hmmm |
| 23:45.42 | grepper | this is the weather applet you are talking about ? |
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| 23:57.37 | benjamindees | can anyone recommend a good in-depth book on kde administration? |
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| 23:59.07 | langenberg | benjamindees: where are you searching for/. |
| 23:59.24 | langenberg | ?* (not slashdot) |
| 23:59.29 | benjamindees | heh |
| 23:59.44 | benjamindees | something to read mostly |
| 23:59.58 | benjamindees | but stuff on menus and/or kiosk settings |
