irclog2html for #kde on 20050616

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`00:00.17`	`User_X`	`can anyone tell me how can i do in konqueror to prevent to pop up several windows from the same site, like for example is possible in firefox`
`00:00.24`	`quentin_`	`what is the dcop command to shutdown the computer?`
`00:00.34`	`quentin_`	`need to do it from the command-line!`
`00:00.45`	`StevenR_`	`DaveQB-work: kdebase afaict`
`00:00.57`	`DaveQB-work`	`User_X in settings, look up javascript`
`00:01.08`	`DaveQB-work`	`thanx StevenR_`
`00:01.11`	`StevenR_`	`np`
`00:01.42`	`DaveQB-work`	`also, one more thing, on this new Gentoo install i did, it wont auto mount my mp3 player, like Mandriva does`
`00:01.46`	`DaveQB-work`	`is that the same package ??`
`00:02.11`	`DaveQB-work`	`i mounted manually and then it placed an icon on the desktop, openning it errored saying "this is a fodler, expected a file"`
`00:02.57`	`User_X`	`DaveQB-work: javascript??`
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`00:03.25`	`DaveQB-work`	`User_X yep, check out Konquerors' settings and look for the javascript setting`
`00:03.34`	`DaveQB-work`	`could be under plugins, cant recall right now`
`00:03.45`	`User_X`	`if u dont know how should i know`
`00:03.59`	`DaveQB-work`	`it was have options to not allow popup windows, and can be set to disable, enable, or smart etc`
`00:04.09`	`DaveQB-work`	`only trying to help mate, maybe u should go talk to google`
`00:05.07`	`User_X`	`i never thought that would be java that handles that stuff`
`00:05.18`	`DaveQB-work`	`no, javascript, not java`
`00:05.27`	`DaveQB-work`	`thats how pop ups are 'popped' up`
`00:06.46`	`User_X`	`DaveQB-work: thanks`
`00:06.58`	`User_X`	`but im not mate`
`00:07.04`	`DaveQB-work`	`StevenR_ i am thinking there has got to be a certain package for this ability, i have kdebase already of course`
`00:07.06`	`User_X`	`my name is Ze`
`00:07.07`	`DaveQB-work`	`np User_X`
`00:07.10`	`DaveQB-work`	`ok`
`00:07.55`	`StevenR_`	`DaveQB-work: auto mounting is a feature of the underlying os, not kde`
`00:08.25`	`DaveQB-work`	`hmmmm ok, i'll follow that lead then.....`
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`00:08.49`	`DaveQB-work`	`why would you think that KDE couldnt open the icon it created for the removable device ??`
`00:08.58`	`DaveQB-work`	`complaining it was a folder and it had expected a file`
`00:09.19`	`User_X`	`but firefox has one thing good, we always know where there was blocked windows and in konq no`
`00:09.27`	`StevenR_`	`DaveQB-work: dunno about those icons things`
`00:09.34`	`StevenR_`	`DaveQB-work: i have them disabled`
`00:10.35`	`DaveQB-work`	`okee, thanx StevenR_`
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`00:22.14`	`Wheet`	`my desktop likes to freeze up (mouse & everything) for like 1 minute`
`00:22.16`	`Wheet`	`at random`
`00:22.26`	`Wheet`	`anyone know why this would happen with slackware 10.1?`
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`00:30.55`	`johnny69`	`Wheet: Do you have any kind of cpu monitoring program that you could run? Such as Gkrellm, etc. If so, watch the cpu utilization when this happens..if it goes to 99 or 100% or something, it's probably programming/software related...if it stays next to zero during this lockup, it's probably hardware realted.`
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`00:47.32`	`Gombeni`	`is there any fast way (i.e. key combination) to resume the last page I have closed in konqueror?`
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`01:01.49`	`Octane`	`hey all, i changed the default browser to be firefox`
`01:01.59`	`Octane`	`but yet it doesnt load when i call a URL`
`01:03.03`	`jkeel`	`Octane: what does it do?`
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`01:06.46`	`NyamuK`	`any possibilites Gnome & KDE to merge become one Powerful Desktop?`
`01:07.05`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes`
`01:07.07`	`jkeel`	`NyamuK: not a chance..`
`01:07.11`	`oGALAXYo`	`the day god and devil met each other`
`01:07.19`	`jkeel`	`heh`
`01:07.24`	`jkeel`	`:D`
`01:07.29`	`annma`	`NyamuK: we work together on standards`
`01:07.35`	`jkeel`	`god being KDE, of course..`
`01:07.36`	`annma`	`NyamuK: however choice is good`
`01:07.46`	`annma`	`NyamuK: diversity is good`
`01:07.52`	`jkeel`	`competition is good`
`01:07.59`	`jkeel`	`friendly competition`
`01:08.00`	`oGALAXYo`	`what competition ?`
`01:08.03`	`NyamuK`	`that way we are still behide Mac or Microsoft... maybe`
`01:08.08`	`jkeel`	`oGALAXYo: :D`
`01:08.23`	`jkeel`	`NyamuK: we're not behind either imo..`
`01:08.32`	`jkeel`	`NyamuK: we're just totally different..`
`01:08.44`	`oGALAXYo`	`i think kde beats windowxp in many areas`
`01:08.51`	`jkeel`	`NyamuK: I use MacOS and WinXP on a daily basis`
`01:08.59`	`jkeel`	`NyamuK: KDE is better than either imo`
`01:09.10`	`NyamuK`	`Apple said ---> Think Different but`
`01:09.20`	`straw`	`man, the qt4 stuff looks fantastic :)`
`01:09.34`	`jkeel`	`straw: wait till KDE 4...hehe`
`01:09.42`	`jkeel`	`straw: it's gonna look awesome`
`01:10.00`	`straw`	`jkeel: that's what i'm thinking :)`
`01:10.05`	`jkeel`	`:D`
`01:10.27`	`straw`	`jkeel: just looking at the demos linked from dot.kde.org`
`01:10.41`	`oGALAXYo`	`straw: url`
`01:10.51`	`jkeel`	`yeah..`
`01:10.52`	`NyamuK`	`i think we'll get the impact when Mac OS migrate trom PowerPC to Intel... and OpenSolaris...`
`01:10.55`	`straw`	`oGALAXYo: http://qt4.digitalfanatics.org/articles/rc1.html`
`01:11.02`	`jkeel`	`ahh`
`01:11.03`	`jkeel`	`those`
`01:11.05`	`oGALAXYo`	`ahh that one`
`01:11.40`	`jkeel`	`straw: did you see the KDE svn preview on dot.kde.org?`
`01:11.51`	`NyamuK`	`jkeel: NyamuK: I use MacOS and WinXP on a daily basis <------- that's way we're behind the race`
`01:12.02`	`jkeel`	`hehe`
`01:12.15`	`jkeel`	`well..I use them, but dislike them`
`01:12.23`	`oGALAXYo`	`i wouldnt say its behind the race..`
`01:12.32`	`oGALAXYo`	`its different things for different solutions..`
`01:12.41`	`Octane`	`jkeel, sorry just saw your response. when i click on a URL, for example in Kontact, it shows the bouncing firefox icon but then doesnt do anything`
`01:12.41`	`oGALAXYo`	`if a company still prefers running windows then well be it.`
`01:12.44`	`straw`	`jkeel: i must've missed it? got a link?`
`01:12.52`	`jkeel`	`straw: hold on..`
`01:13.03`	`jkeel`	`Octane: something's wrong with your firefox, then..`
`01:13.11`	`jkeel`	`Octane: try launching firefox from a konsole window`
`01:13.18`	`jkeel`	`Octane: tell me what it says`
`01:13.52`	`jkeel`	`straw: the link is broken for some silly reason..`
`01:14.08`	`straw`	`jkeel: yeah... found it`
`01:14.13`	`straw`	`oh well`
`01:14.29`	`jkeel`	`heh`
`01:14.35`	`jkeel`	`process of elimination has problems..`
`01:14.44`	`jkeel`	`even the main site is b0rken`
`01:15.24`	`Octane`	`jkeel, running it from Konsole does just fine`
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`01:15.35`	`jkeel`	`Octane: that's weird..`
`01:15.36`	`straw`	`i'm using gnome today, actually. fc4 is out and i wanted to sniff around at 2.10.0`
`01:15.51`	`quipucamalloc`	`i have my sound working under gnome but cant play a thing under kde any help?`
`01:16.26`	`Octane`	`jkeel, i know it sucks!`
`01:16.35`	`jkeel`	`Octane, I'm not sure what the problem could be`
`01:16.48`	`jkeel`	`Octane: it's loading the Firefox icon?`
`01:17.00`	`jkeel`	`yet not loading the binary...`
`01:17.54`	`jkeel`	`Octane: lemme check something..`
`01:18.14`	`Octane`	`jkeel, right`
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`01:18.49`	`The_Lord`	`Hi!`
`01:19.11`	`The_Lord`	`how do I tell kdm wich xorg config file I want to use?`
`01:19.32`	`annma`	`do you have many?`
`01:19.44`	`jkeel`	`Octane: did you set your browser in kcontrol->KDE Components->Component Chooser?`
`01:20.38`	`Octane`	`of course`
`01:20.51`	`Octane`	`The_Lord, just rename the one you u wanna use to xorg.conf`
`01:21.08`	`The_Lord`	`yes indeed`
`01:21.17`	`jkeel`	`Octane: and you just have "firefox" in the browser textbox?`
`01:21.39`	`The_Lord`	`the thing is that I have two xorg configurations`
`01:21.54`	`The_Lord`	`one with one display and the other with dual display`
`01:22.01`	`Octane`	`jkeel, no i have firefox %u`
`01:22.18`	`The_Lord`	`so, I've created two xorg config files`
`01:22.29`	`jkeel`	`Octane: have you tried just doing "firefox"?`
`01:22.39`	`Octane`	`yes`
`01:22.40`	`jkeel`	`Octane: because just doing "konqueror" works here..`
`01:22.52`	`jkeel`	`sorry, I don't have firefox to test with..`
`01:22.56`	`The_Lord`	`I know that if you call startx you can tell wich config file to use`
`01:23.20`	`The_Lord`	`but how do I make kdm work that way?`
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`01:23.26`	`DebianTUX`	`hi`
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`01:23.50`	`DebianTUX`	`i removed all the bars of the message window of kopete.. how do i restore them?`
`01:24.09`	`jkeel`	`Octane: what KDE version..just curious..`
`01:24.16`	`Octane`	`3.4`
`01:24.21`	`Octane`	`ubuntu`
`01:24.21`	`jkeel`	`hmm`
`01:24.24`	`jkeel`	`not 3.4.1?`
`01:24.26`	`Octane`	`kbuntu that is`
`01:24.36`	`Octane`	`nope no packages fo ri tyet`
`01:24.49`	`jkeel`	`there are links on the Kubuntu site..I run Kubuntu as well`
`01:25.01`	`Tm_T`	`Kubuntu mentioned!`
`01:25.10`	`jkeel`	`Tm_T: you use it? ;)`
`01:25.16`	`Tm_T`	`oh yes`
`01:25.19`	`jkeel`	`hehe`
`01:25.34`	`Tm_T`	`and Debian Sarge and, err, FC3`
`01:25.39`	`jkeel`	`Octane: it could be a 3.4 bug..`
`01:25.54`	`Tm_T`	`I think I get rid of Fedora`
`01:26.03`	`jkeel`	`oh, please do :D`
`01:26.53`	`Tm_T`	`as soon as my Ubuntu shipping arrives ;)`
`01:27.19`	`Octane`	`jkeel, i dont think so when i ws running fc3 and kde 3.4 firefox was working just fine as default :)`
`01:27.26`	`Octane`	`fedora is so terrible i am so glad i swtch`
`01:27.27`	`Octane`	`ed`
`01:27.31`	`Tm_T`	`heh`
`01:27.45`	`Tm_T`	`it's ok, as long as you don't care what you're running`
`01:27.51`	`jkeel`	`Octane: heh`
`01:28.03`	`jkeel`	`Tm_T: exactly..get rid of it ;)`
`01:28.08`	`jkeel`	`we care what we run :D`
`01:28.23`	`quipucamalloc`	`i have my sound working under gnome but cant play a thing under kde any help?`
`01:28.43`	`Tm_T`	`jkeel: yes, I instaleld it just for testing, and I forgot it in my second workstation`
`01:28.57`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: what distro?`
`01:29.10`	`jkeel`	`Tm_T: :D`
`01:29.31`	`quipucamalloc`	`fc3 dunno how to get kde version or i will tell you`
`01:29.53`	`Tm_T`	`quipucamalloc: just in any kde app, help -> about KDE`
`01:30.05`	`jkeel`	`probably 3.3.`
`01:30.29`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: what apps are you trying to play with?`
`01:30.42`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: and do apps like xmms work?`
`01:30.53`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: I mean in KDE, does xmms work?`
`01:30.58`	`quipucamalloc`	`i tried xmms and some java applet they do not complain but i get no sound`
`01:31.33`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: can you try running xmms from terminal, and seeing what results it gives..any errors or anything?`
`01:32.12`	`jkeel`	`Octane: wow. I just tried to install Firefox. The dependencies are crazy.. ;)`
`01:32.39`	`jkeel`	`all that yucky gnomelibs stuff`
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`01:33.38`	`Octane`	`jkeel, i think i might move to knoqui anyway`
`01:33.45`	`Octane`	`might as well, every other kde user is doing it`
`01:33.52`	`jkeel`	`wonder where quipucamalloc went..`
`01:34.25`	`Alethes`	`I wonder when that gecko for konq option is actually gonna be available`
`01:34.42`	`jkeel`	`Octane: you really should :D`
`01:34.42`	`jkeel`	`Octane: I use it exclusively..obviously ;)`
`01:34.43`	`Alethes`	`I don't want it all the time, but it'd be nice to be able to check sites I do with gecko without having to have to open moz`
`01:34.51`	`Octane`	`really?`
`01:34.54`	`Octane`	`i dont like a few things with it`
`01:34.59`	`jkeel`	`dunno..`
`01:34.59`	`jkeel`	`soon I hope`
`01:35.40`	`jkeel`	`with gecko?`
`01:35.42`	`jkeel`	`or konq?`
`01:35.57`	`Alethes`	`me?`
`01:36.07`	`jkeel`	`no, Octane`
`01:36.21`	`jkeel`	`what don't you like, Octane?`
`01:36.22`	`Octane`	`1) the fact the tab sizes cant be adjusted`
`01:36.28`	`Octane`	`2) there is no adblock out there`
`01:36.35`	`Octane`	`3) it doesnt support the middle mouse button`
`01:36.41`	`Alethes`	`it doesn't? heh`
`01:36.51`	`Alethes`	`I use the middle click to open links in a new tab`
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`01:36.58`	`jkeel`	`lol`
`01:37.00`	`Octane`	`but you cant use to scroll down in a page`
`01:37.05`	`Octane`	`a la IE`
`01:37.11`	`Alethes`	`bleh`
`01:37.27`	`jkeel`	`Octane: I'm not sure about that..I think maybe you can use middle-mouse`
`01:37.42`	`jkeel`	`Octane: and someone just wrote an Adblock feature. It's in svn, I believe`
`01:37.43`	`quipucamalloc`	`i get no errors when running xmms from a terminal i just get no sound`
`01:37.52`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: hmm`
`01:38.08`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: what does 'ps ax \| grep esound' say?`
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`01:38.43`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: I've had trouble with the esound daemon running while trying to play things in KDE..`
`01:38.58`	`jkeel`	`well, actually...esound just stinks altogether imo`
`01:39.31`	`Octane`	`svn?`
`01:39.41`	`quipucamalloc`	`i get this : 7852 pts/3 S+ 0:00 grep esound`
`01:39.57`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: try 'ps ax \| grep esd'`
`01:40.12`	`jkeel`	`Octane: svn is subversion..KDE's version control system`
`01:40.22`	`jkeel`	`Octane: of course, it's not specific to KDE, but KDE uses it`
`01:40.37`	`quipucamalloc`	`i get this : 7854 pts/3 R+ 0:00 grep esd`
`01:40.38`	`jkeel`	`Octane: we just switched from CVS to Subversion not too long ago`
`01:40.46`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: ok..it's not running, then..`
`01:40.47`	`Octane`	`oh ya i knew that`
`01:40.53`	`jkeel`	`Octane: :)`
`01:40.57`	`Octane`	`no really i did`
`01:40.57`	`Octane`	`hahaha`
`01:40.59`	`Octane`	`seriously`
`01:41.00`	`quipucamalloc`	`so wut should i do ???`
`01:41.06`	`jkeel`	`Octane: I believe you :)`
`01:41.13`	`Octane`	`anyone have any idea why is it that my processtable is empty!`
`01:41.13`	`Octane`	`?`
`01:41.50`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: well..I'm not sure. I don't have much Fedora experience, and I'm not sure how they've set things up`
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`01:42.13`	`quipucamalloc`	`then what should i ask fedora people to help me do?`
`01:42.25`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: see if you can get errors from any other apps by running them in konsole`
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`01:42.35`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: same as you asked here...`
`01:42.43`	`quipucamalloc`	`... -_-`
`01:42.56`	`quipucamalloc`	`anyway ... thanxs`
`01:43.01`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: did you try #fedora?`
`01:43.11`	`jkeel`	`try it :)`
`01:43.20`	`jkeel`	`sorry I couldn't help more :(`
`01:45.20`	`quipucamalloc`	`well u at least try thanxs bye ppl`
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`01:46.01`	`jkeel`	`Octane: so..you gonna use Konq now? ;)`
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`01:46.59`	`jkeel`	`Octane: and what were you saying about your proc table?`
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`01:50.50`	`Thorrn4`	`hello!! I have a problem...Konqueror says "Could not open network socket; please check that dcopserver program is running"`
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`01:54.44`	`quipucamalloc`	`plz do tell me jkeel`
`01:56.36`	`jkeel`	`ok`
`01:56.37`	`quipucamalloc`	`jkeel ??`
`01:56.44`	`jkeel`	`did you try what they suggested in the #fedora channel`
`01:57.02`	`jkeel`	`?`
`01:57.10`	`jkeel`	`i.e. make sure kmix has your volumes unmuted`
`01:57.42`	`quipucamalloc`	`i dunno where kmix is`
`01:57.53`	`quipucamalloc`	`but they just send me to read the manual ...`
`01:58.07`	`jkeel`	`another thing would be to start up kcontrol, go to sound and multimedia->Sound system, and check the settings`
`01:58.11`	`jkeel`	`quipucamalloc: just run kmix`
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`01:58.23`	`jkeel`	`from a terminal or via Alt+F2`
`01:59.26`	`quipucamalloc`	`done it thanxs :P`
`01:59.31`	`quipucamalloc`	`i am so stupid`
`01:59.34`	`quipucamalloc`	`bye`
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`02:00.28`	`jkeel`	`heh`
`02:00.31`	`jkeel`	`that was weird..`
`02:00.54`	`Octane`	`jkeel, its empty`
`02:01.32`	`Octane`	`i tiddnt used to be like this`
`02:02.07`	`jkeel`	`in the KDE app, or in a terminal?`
`02:02.37`	`Wheet`	`REMARKABLE!`
`02:02.59`	`jkeel`	`what?`
`02:03.01`	`Wheet`	`I was just trying to get everyone excited.`
`02:03.06`	`jkeel`	`lol`
`02:03.11`	`jkeel`	`sorry, didn't work..`
`02:03.28`	`Wheet`	`It worked for me.`
`02:03.35`	`Wheet`	`I am now excited.`
`02:03.37`	`jkeel`	`you need to say something like "KDE disappears from lack of funding.."`
`02:03.39`	`Wheet`	`Watch me pee!`
`02:03.42`	`Wheet`	`oh`
`02:03.45`	`Wheet`	`lol`
`02:03.52`	`Wheet`	`that would depress people`
`02:03.56`	`jkeel`	`sure..`
`02:04.07`	`jkeel`	`but it would get them exicted...right into a revolt ;)`
`02:04.20`	`jkeel`	`heh..it's late..`
`02:04.25`	`jkeel`	`I'm going off to bed`
`02:04.27`	`jkeel`	`night all`
`02:04.42`	`Wheet`	`i have to give a 5 minute long persuasive speech for 'intro to public speaking' tommorrow :(`
`02:04.46`	`Wheet`	`bleh nite`
`02:05.01`	`Wheet`	`have sex with cindy crawford behind those eyelids for me`
`02:05.21`	`Wheet`	`PLS??????????`
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`02:13.42`	`DaveQB-work`	`hi all, i instaled Kdirstat and now openning folders opens the folder in Kdirstat rather then showing me the contents. Any ideas ?`
`02:15.01`	`ro28`	`DaveQB-work: go to View->View Mode`
`02:16.00`	`ro28`	`DaveQB-work: (assuming that the folders open in a kdirstat kpart in konqueror...)`
`02:16.21`	`DaveQB-work`	`ok, cool thanx, i will try that, never happened to me before`
`02:16.43`	`DaveQB-work`	`also, do you know what provides Konqeuror with the ability to access media:// system:// etc ??`
`02:17.21`	`DaveQB-work`	`when i access the icon the Desktop (man that sounds so Windossl ike) for my mp3 player Konqueror errors compaining it expected a file but got a folder`
`02:17.52`	`ro28`	`Well, I don't really know anything about what your icon really points to, so I'm not sure I can help`
`02:18.27`	`ro28`	`media:/ has a dedicated kio-slave; I'm not sure how system:/ works`
`02:18.50`	`thiago`	`ioslave`
`02:19.00`	`DaveQB-work`	`i think it points to sda:// maybe`
`02:19.08`	`DaveQB-work`	`its definately not a link to the root file system`
`02:19.10`	`ro28`	`sda:// is wrong`
`02:19.18`	`DaveQB-work`	`maybe media then,`
`02:19.20`	`ro28`	`thiago: thanks. ioslave :-)`
`02:19.40`	`thiago`	`ro28: no, I mean: system has its own iosalve`
`02:19.42`	`thiago`	`ioslave`
`02:19.49`	`DaveQB-work`	`i know it works fine Mandriva, this is a Gentoo system i am having trouble with`
`02:20.00`	`Alethes`	`anybody know how difficult it'd be for khtml to have the pipelining option that gecko has?`
`02:20.02`	`DaveQB-work`	`hmmm seems i am missing ioslave(s) ??`
`02:20.05`	`thiago`	`$ locate kio_system.so`
`02:20.08`	`thiago`	`/usr/local/kde3-r424191/lib/kde3/kio_system.so`
`02:20.26`	`ro28`	`DaveQB-work: what distro do you use?`
`02:20.32`	`thiago`	`Alethes: and what pipelining option is that?`
`02:20.37`	`DaveQB-work`	`oho k, so very possible to have KDE installed but not ioslave ?`
`02:20.49`	`DaveQB-work`	`This one is a Gentoo system, i am trying out`
`02:20.50`	`thiago`	`DaveQB-work: yes`
`02:20.53`	`DaveQB-work`	`usually use Mandriva`
`02:20.55`	`DaveQB-work`	`oh ok`
`02:21.04`	`DaveQB-work`	`emerge ioslave might be my saviour`
`02:21.06`	`ro28`	`DaveQB-work: you probably used the KDE split ebuilds`
`02:21.07`	`DaveQB-work`	`:)`
`02:21.13`	`Alethes`	`thiago: using http 1.1 so that multiple requests can be chained together in one shot`
`02:21.17`	`Alethes`	`it makes the page load a lot faster`
`02:21.18`	`ro28`	`DaveQB-work: emerge kdebase-kioslaves`
`02:21.18`	`DaveQB-work`	`seems i may have`
`02:21.31`	`ro28`	`DaveQB-work: or you may just be better off unmerging what you've got and re-merging all of KDE`
`02:21.40`	`DaveQB-work`	`thats the one, although i use porthole to search :)`
`02:21.45`	`thiago`	`Alethes: roundtrip shouldn't make that much of a difference`
`02:21.56`	`thiago`	`Alethes: chaining requests together isn't hard. The question is: which requests?`
`02:22.00`	`Alethes`	`pipelining makes a huge difference when you're on dialup`
`02:22.06`	`DaveQB-work`	`hmmmm i thought i did emerge all of KDE, took about 5+ hours`
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`02:22.19`	`thiago`	`Alethes: ah, yes, dialup`
`02:22.28`	`Alethes`	`thiago: I'm not really sure of the details on how it works, I just know that enabling the option for gecko makes a huge difference for me and for others`
`02:22.29`	`thiago`	`DaveQB-work: 5+ hours is short`
`02:22.31`	`ro28`	`DaveQB-work: well, if you did emerge it all, something went wrong if media:/ is missing`
`02:22.35`	`thiago`	`Alethes: KDE takes 20 hours to compile here`
`02:22.40`	`DaveQB-work`	`yuo can use monolitha (sp?) and ebuilds togther the handbook syays`
`02:22.40`	`andysl`	`hi`
`02:22.46`	`andysl`	`a little bit of assistance if possible`
`02:22.48`	`DaveQB-work`	`hmmm bugger!`
`02:23.11`	`DaveQB-work`	`might of been more then 5 hrs, maybe i am thinking of OOo`
`02:23.18`	`andysl`	`GTK-based applications`
`02:23.25`	`thiago`	`andysl: wrong channel :)`
`02:23.28`	`DaveQB-work`	`but anyway, i least i know what to attack now, 'ioslave'`
`02:23.29`	`andysl`	`Die/Disappear when I switch panels once in awhile`
`02:23.39`	`ro28`	`thiago: 20 hours??? Wow... much quicker here :-) I think you deserve some new hardware...`
`02:23.49`	`thiago`	`andysl: define "switch panels"?`
`02:23.54`	`andysl`	`thiago: not switch panels`
`02:23.58`	`andysl`	`i meant switch virtual desktops`
`02:23.59`	`andysl`	`lol`
`02:24.08`	`thiago`	`ro28: Athlon 1.4 GHz, plus Pentium M 1.6 GHz and Pentium III 550 MHz`
`02:24.13`	`thiago`	`ro28: icecream network`
`02:24.13`	`andysl`	`also for instance if i change iconthemes`
`02:24.17`	`andysl`	`gtk apps disappear`
`02:24.24`	`thiago`	`andysl: ask the gtk people`
`02:24.28`	`andysl`	`so basically xchat, gaim, and thunderbird are unusable o-o`
`02:24.29`	`andysl`	`thiago: ahh`
`02:24.37`	`thiago`	`andysl: what happens if you run them from the console?`
`02:24.37`	`andysl`	`but it only happens in KDE...`
`02:24.44`	`andysl`	`thiago: let me try that`
`02:24.46`	`thiago`	`andysl: do you see them close? Log anything?`
`02:24.50`	`ro28`	`thiago: really??? Amazing; it's much much quicker here on my Celeron M 1.5Ghz. But I take it you are building from svn sources; I guess that takes longer?`
`02:24.57`	`andysl`	`thiago: they just 'disappear' and ps aux shows nothing`
`02:25.04`	`thiago`	`ro28: the source of the sources shouldn't be the issue`
`02:25.15`	`Alethes`	`I bet your lib versions changed so the gtk apps are crashing`
`02:25.17`	`thiago`	`ro28: but the fact that I build almost everything is`
`02:25.27`	`thiago`	`andysl: they are quitting/aborting/crashing`
`02:25.37`	`thiago`	`andysl: so, no matter what KDE is doing, they have a bug`
`02:25.51`	`thiago`	`andysl: anything shown on the terminal when that happens?`
`02:25.51`	`andysl`	`hmm`
`02:25.53`	`andysl`	`thats weird though`
`02:25.58`	`andysl`	`im using ubuntu :O`
`02:26.02`	`andysl`	`thiago: trying now`
`02:26.06`	`andysl`	`gonna try switching icons to noia`
`02:26.16`	`Alethes`	`nuvola icons are really nice, I'm finding`
`02:26.21`	`Alethes`	`much nicer than crystal`
`02:26.42`	`andysl`	`terminal showed err0r`
`02:27.01`	`andysl`	`it attempted to dump a core file`
`02:27.02`	`DaveQB-work`	`would missing kioslaves explain why my mp3 doesnt automount ?? or thats another issue ?`
`02:27.10`	`thiago`	`andysl: talk it with the gtk guys then`
`02:27.14`	`thiago`	`andysl: the app crashed`
`02:27.24`	`thiago`	`andysl: just to make sure: are you using the gtk-qt integration?`
`02:27.32`	`ro28`	`DaveQB-work: probably, yes; if you're missing the media ioslave, I wouldn't expect anything to mount when you click on it`
`02:27.34`	`andysl`	`thiago: yessir`
`02:27.42`	`thiago`	`andysl: turn it off`
`02:27.49`	`thiago`	`andysl: does it still happen?`
`02:27.52`	`andysl`	`thiago: how do i do that, just remove the package?`
`02:27.57`	`thiago`	`andysl: I have no idea`
`02:28.03`	`andysl`	`thiago: yes sir`
`02:28.23`	`DaveQB-work`	`thanx ro28`
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`02:30.19`	`Thorrn4`	`hello!! Konqueror gives me a weird error....I cannot open data DVDs or CDs (kio (KDirWatch): WARNING: KDirWatch::removeDir can't handle '/dev')`
`02:30.33`	`thiago`	`Thorrn4: which version?`
`02:31.08`	`Thorrn4`	`...KDE 3.4 I think`
`02:31.13`	`andysl`	`thiago`
`02:31.20`	`thiago`	`andysl: yes?`
`02:31.21`	`andysl`	`it works fine w/o gtk-qt integration`
`02:31.27`	`thiago`	`andysl: keep it off then`
`02:31.50`	`andysl`	`thiago`
`02:31.56`	`andysl`	`who can or should i file a bug report to in regards to this matter`
`02:32.07`	`thiago`	`andysl: gtk-qt integration is experimental`
`02:32.14`	`thiago`	`should never be used in production`
`02:32.17`	`andysl`	`thiago: i see, no doubt`
`02:32.25`	`andysl`	`thiago: thank you, you have been a very large help`
`02:32.30`	`Alethes`	`you talking about that theme engine?`
`02:33.23`	`andysl`	`yeah`
`02:33.39`	`Alethes`	`seems to work ok for me`
`02:33.49`	`andysl`	`no doubt`
`02:33.50`	`Alethes`	`the icons are buggy, but otherwise, it's fine`
`02:33.54`	`andysl`	`what version?`
`02:34.01`	`Alethes`	`I don't use a lot of gtk apps though`
`02:34.01`	`Alethes`	`only gimp these days`
`02:34.14`	`Alethes`	`of gtk-qt?`
`02:34.21`	`andysl`	`yeah`
`02:34.43`	`Alethes`	`don't really remember :)`
`02:34.49`	`Alethes`	`I don't know how I'd find out either`
`02:35.01`	`DaveQB-work`	`hmmm ok all, i have kio_system.so and kio_media.so on my Gentoo system. Not nin it right now, but those files are there`
`02:35.03`	`Alethes`	`hang on`
`02:35.05`	`Alethes`	`I found it`
`02:35.23`	`Alethes`	`gtk-qt-engine-0.6.tar.bz2`
`02:35.28`	`andysl`	`hrrm`
`02:35.34`	`andysl`	`i believe thats the same version packaged with UbUnTu :(`
`02:35.36`	`Alethes`	`I installed it from fbsd's ports`
`02:36.03`	`andysl`	`Alethes: What software do you use for the following: IRC, IM (AIM/MSN), E-MAIL, WEB, IMAGES, VIDEO, etc?`
`02:36.26`	`andysl`	`Alethes: I used to use (during Gnome 2.10 days) X-chat, Gaim, Thunderbird, Firefox, GQview, MPlayer/VLC Media Player, etc. respectively`
`02:36.37`	`Alethes`	`konversation, kopete, kontact (kmail), konq, kuickview`
`02:36.39`	`Alethes`	`don't watch videos`
`02:36.47`	`andysl`	`T_T`
`02:36.52`	`andysl`	`is konversation scriptable`
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`02:36.58`	`Alethes`	`shrug`
`02:37.07`	`Alethes`	`never checked or bothered`
`02:37.13`	`Alethes`	`it looks a lot like xchat though`
`02:37.45`	`andysl`	`yeah`
`02:38.07`	`andysl`	`ahhhh :/`
`02:38.09`	`Alethes`	`it's relatively new, I think, so it's missing some features`
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`02:38.33`	`andysl`	`yeah`
`02:38.35`	`Alethes`	`I don't use it for anything but actual chatting, so it doesn't matter much to me :)`
`02:38.39`	`Alethes`	`my demands are light`
`02:38.45`	`andysl`	`alethes: i can't stand using GTK apps (i.e., X-chat) w/o qt-gtk engine :(`
`02:38.46`	`asdf`	`any sql guru's here?`
`02:39.09`	`andysl`	`yeah`
`02:39.10`	`andysl`	`wsup`
`02:39.19`	`andysl`	`i am a sql guru`
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`02:39.33`	`asdf`	`andysl: can you store multiple values in a single attribute?`
`02:39.38`	`asdf`	`that's probably not efficient at all eh?`
`02:39.47`	`Roey`	`e`
`02:40.04`	`andysl`	`asdf lolll`
`02:40.09`	`Alethes`	`you'll wish you hadn't :)`
`02:40.09`	`andysl`	`why would you want to do that, yeahhh`
`02:40.11`	`thiago`	`andysl: don't use them`
`02:40.15`	`thiago`	`andysl: it's that simple`
`02:40.20`	`thiago`	`andysl: have you tried konversation?`
`02:40.27`	`andysl`	`thiago: I don't seen any scriptability in konversation`
`02:40.34`	`asdf`	`andysl: i am sure it's not safe, but i'm clarifying for a fellow student who wants to do it for a sample DB for a class.`
`02:40.43`	`andysl`	`asdf`
`02:40.44`	`andysl`	`you can do it`
`02:40.46`	`andysl`	`you can do anything lol`
`02:40.51`	`andysl`	`whether its efficient or not is another quesiton`
`02:40.52`	`andysl`	`;)`
`02:41.04`	`andysl`	`but explain more on what you are implying by storing multiple values in a single attribute`
`02:41.06`	`andysl`	`give me an example ;)`
`02:41.22`	`andysl`	`thiago: Looks are very important as I am setting up a lot of boxes using KDE`
`02:41.29`	`andysl`	`thiago: for students/kids to use`
`02:41.34`	`asdf`	`andysl: ok for example if the attribute was "Age of children" and the values therein were 4, 9, 11, 16, 4, 11`
`02:41.37`	`andysl`	`5 to be exact :o`
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`02:41.47`	`andysl`	`asdf`
`02:41.57`	`andysl`	`and that... is SQL? heh`
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`02:42.09`	`asdf`	`andysl: i don't know sql, im speaking in theory`
`02:42.13`	`andysl`	`u can have a table`
`02:42.13`	`andysl`	`i.e.,`
`02:42.23`	`andysl`	`CHILDREN`
`02:42.33`	`andysl`	`and have "AGE"`
`02:42.35`	`andysl`	`and put 4`
`02:42.40`	`andysl`	`and 9, and 11, and 16, and 4 and 11`
`02:42.42`	`andysl`	`heh`
`02:42.46`	`andysl`	`just have like 6 rows`
`02:42.46`	`andysl`	`;p`
`02:43.00`	`asdf`	`but in your example each age would be a seperate tuple?`
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`02:43.10`	`asdf`	`yeah see this kid wants to put each age in one row`
`02:43.10`	`andysl`	`naw they are in the same table`
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`02:43.15`	`andysl`	`just diff rows`
`02:43.18`	`asdf`	`no i said tuple not table`
`02:43.18`	`andysl`	`asdf: why?`
`02:43.20`	`asdf`	`a tuple is a row`
`02:43.29`	`andysl`	`asdf: why would he want to do that i just dont quite understand`
`02:43.30`	`asdf`	`andysl: i don't know, i'm just critquing his design`
`02:43.44`	`asdf`	`andysl: not sure, i'm certain he's beem drinking tonight ;)`
`02:43.45`	`andysl`	`asdf: SQL is much like any relational database`
`02:43.55`	`andysl`	`use it to your advantage, the builtin commands/etc.`
`02:44.13`	`asdf`	`right, well i told him that i think it's possible to do it that way but it is by no means practical.`
`02:44.35`	`andysl`	`asdf, if i was doing something as it seems he is doing`
`02:44.41`	`andysl`	`i would literally just make multiple rows`
`02:44.43`	`andysl`	`AGE 9`
`02:44.45`	`andysl`	`AGE 14`
`02:44.45`	`andysl`	`etc.`
`02:44.52`	`asdf`	`yeah that's what i recommend he does to revise things`
`02:44.57`	`andysl`	`you can grab them all anyway and store it in an associate array of some sort`
`02:45.10`	`asdf`	`andysl: thanks mate, i just wanted to get someone else's opinion ;)`
`02:45.15`	`andysl`	`^_^ g'day mate`
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`02:46.15`	`asdf`	`andysl: i like ;)`
`02:46.33`	`andysl`	`;)`
`02:46.39`	`Alethes`	`man I hate audioslave`
`02:46.45`	`Alethes`	`what crappy songs`
`02:46.53`	`Alethes`	`I always liked soundgarden and chris cornell`
`02:46.54`	`asdf`	`hwy i like 'em`
`02:47.03`	`Alethes`	`maybe even some rage`
`02:47.05`	`asdf`	`i heard they are breaking up and rage may be getting back together`
`02:47.08`	`Alethes`	`but audioslave is the pits`
`02:47.11`	`Alethes`	`good`
`02:47.18`	`Alethes`	`maybe chris cornell can go back to not sucking`
`02:47.26`	`asdf`	`Alethes: this i heard through the grapevine, i work at a rock station here in Boston`
`02:47.32`	`Alethes`	`cool`
`02:47.45`	`asdf`	`not sure of the accuracy`
`02:47.49`	`Alethes`	`yeah :)`
`02:47.49`	`DaveQB-work`	`hmmm ok all, i have kio_system.so and kio_media.so on my Gentoo system. Not in it right now, but those files are there`
`02:47.56`	`Alethes`	`I hope the rumor is accurate`
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`03:00.35`	`ritalin`	`anyone use kompose here?`
`03:02.01`	`ro28`	`ritalin: yes...`
`03:02.33`	`ritalin`	`mind telling me the default keys it uses, i dont see a man page`
`03:03.06`	`ro28`	`ritalin: no idea, I changed mine long ago...`
`03:03.16`	`ro28`	`ritalin: just start it and right-click on the icon and go to 'Global Shortcuts'`
`03:03.26`	`ritalin`	`icon?`
`03:03.38`	`Alethes`	`how well does kompose work?`
`03:03.38`	`ro28`	`ritalin: yeah, if you start kompose, it is supposed to put an icon in the system tray.`
`03:03.46`	`ritalin`	`ahh i see it`
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`03:04.19`	`ro28`	`Alethes: well, without the Composite extension it's kinda slow and takes up a lot (15MB) of memory. With composite, it's excellent if the composite support on your hardware is not buggy, which is pretty rare I think`
`03:04.35`	`Alethes`	`I see`
`03:04.55`	`ro28`	`Alethes: I can't use the Composite mode because it's too buggy for me; I use the non-Composite mode, but I wouldn't if I had less than 512MB RAM :-)`
`03:05.11`	`Alethes`	`hehe`
`03:05.37`	`Alethes`	`it's fast enough then?`
`03:06.05`	`mobtek`	`really fast here for me`
`03:06.21`	`Alethes`	`I mean without composite but with a lot of ram`
`03:06.52`	`ritalin`	`yeah its quick here too`
`03:07.00`	`ritalin`	`gig of DDR400 though`
`03:07.09`	`Alethes`	`cool`
`03:07.16`	`ro28`	`Alethes: it's up to you how quick it is; you can select how long to delay between each window's popup`
`03:07.27`	`Alethes`	`I wonder what hardware composite actually works really well`
`03:07.29`	`ritalin`	`its really nice`
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`03:07.36`	`Alethes`	`...on`
`03:07.39`	`eltino`	`hello`
`03:07.39`	`ritalin`	`seems alot more polished then skippy`
`03:07.43`	`ritalin`	`eltino: o/`
`03:08.05`	`eltino`	`I'm looking for a way to lock the screen through a script, is that possible?`
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`03:08.14`	`Alethes`	`skippy sucked`
`03:08.18`	`ro28`	`eltino: i'd say so. look around with dcop/kdcop`
`03:08.22`	`thiago`	`eltino: yes`
`03:08.24`	`thiago`	`with dcop`
`03:08.25`	`Alethes`	`I tried that a while back`
`03:08.25`	`Alethes`	`but it was before composite was available, too`
`03:08.37`	`ritalin`	`Alethes: its nice if you use a more minimal window manager`
`03:08.42`	`ritalin`	`i used it with E for awhile`
`03:08.52`	`ritalin`	`it doesnt have the depends that kompose does`
`03:09.06`	`Alethes`	`E isn't what I'd call "minimal" :P`
`03:09.19`	`ritalin`	`well compared to kde it is`
`03:09.23`	`eltino`	`thiago: I guessed so, but have no idea how to do it.`
`03:09.31`	`thiago`	`eltino: dcop kdesktop`
`03:09.35`	`thiago`	`eltino: start looking from there`
`03:09.40`	`eltino`	`thiago: thanks`
`03:10.43`	`eltino`	`thiago: wow... it took me 4 seconds ;p`
`03:10.59`	`eltino`	`thiago: dcop looks like something interesting... thanks a lot :)`
`03:12.28`	`Alethes`	`dcop is fun to play with`
`03:12.48`	`ro28`	`dcop is excellent :-)`
`03:13.00`	`ritalin`	`anyone successfully gotten java to work with konqueror?`
`03:13.43`	`ro28`	`ritalin: yes`
`03:13.49`	`eltino`	`ritalin: yes`
`03:14.08`	`eltino`	`ritalin: it would work only if I substitue the full path with just 'java'`
`03:14.39`	`ritalin`	`eltino: where do i set this? (sorry ive been using kde for like half a day)`
`03:15.06`	`eltino`	`ritalin: Settings > Configure Konqi > Java & Javascript`
`03:15.29`	`ritalin`	`yeah I have just java`
`03:15.37`	`ritalin`	`set the full path?`
`03:15.55`	`eltino`	`ritalin: is java in your path?`
`03:16.28`	`ro28`	`ritalin: your distro really should have set that up already. What are you using?`
`03:16.43`	`ritalin`	`ro28: im on freebsd`
`03:17.02`	`ritalin`	`it doesnt come with anything`
`03:17.26`	`ro28`	`ritalin: Oh I see :-)`
`03:17.36`	`Alethes`	`I use fbsd, but I don't have java installed`
`03:17.40`	`Alethes`	`never bothered`
`03:17.43`	`ro28`	`ritalin: doesn't it have ports ?`
`03:17.44`	`ritalin`	`its a pain`
`03:18.08`	`ritalin`	`Alethes: you have to manually download like 4 different things and place them in /usr/ports/distfiles/`
`03:18.17`	`ritalin`	`sigh up at sun.com and crap`
`03:18.26`	`Alethes`	`ah`
`03:18.28`	`ro28`	`ritalin: doesn't it have blackdown jre/jdk ?`
`03:18.28`	`ritalin`	`ro28: yeah it has ports`
`03:18.39`	`Alethes`	`ah, 'cause of the distribution rules?`
`03:18.39`	`ritalin`	`ro28: yeah but thats crap`
`03:18.44`	`ritalin`	`Alethes: yeah`
`03:18.58`	`ro28`	`ritalin: it really should have some way of automatically pulling in java for packages which can use it. Pretty crap if it doesn't :-(`
`03:19.27`	`ritalin`	`when i type java in console it works`
`03:19.43`	`Alethes`	`it _could_ pull them automatically if it wasn't for the distribution restrictions`
`03:19.44`	`ritalin`	`I run alot of java apps`
`03:20.24`	`ro28`	`ritalin: looked at gcj/gij recently? It's getting pretty damn good :-)`
`03:20.28`	`Alethes`	`I really dislike java apps`
`03:20.48`	`ritalin`	`Alethes: Limewire is my fav gnutella client`
`03:21.00`	`ritalin`	`plus i play Euchre on yahoo`
`03:21.02`	`Alethes`	`I find it very laggy even on a reasonably fast machine`
`03:21.45`	`ritalin`	`limnewire is quite fast`
`03:21.48`	`ritalin`	`err limewire`
`03:22.00`	`Alethes`	`I haven't used it in quite a while`
`03:24.02`	`ritalin`	`speaking of p2p check out this idea i have`
`03:24.19`	`ritalin`	`a gnutella plugin for amarok that acts like itunes`
`03:24.23`	`ritalin`	`wouldnt that kick ass`
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`03:24.41`	`ritalin`	`so you can search and download songs from amarok`
`03:25.08`	`ritalin`	`plus the fact that its free would just be a really big slap in the face to itunes`
`03:25.14`	`ritalin`	`good times`
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`03:35.13`	`_nil`	`anyone ever seen broken GIFs in konqueror?`
`03:35.41`	`_nil`	`everything else seems to work. just no GIFs. or rather little generic 'paper' placeholder icons.`
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`03:36.14`	`_nil`	`doesn't happen under root. happens under another newly created user though.`
`03:36.34`	`_nil`	`i've no idea what i might have done to cause it.`
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`04:05.07`	`sbcl3`	`should kexi be taking over thirty minutes to "make"?`
`04:05.19`	`sbcl3`	`because its taking that long, and i've got a 2.4ghz p4`
`04:06.24`	`Tm_T`	`yup`
`04:06.37`	`sbcl3`	`wow`
`04:06.42`	`sbcl3`	`didn't think it was that big...`
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`04:13.36`	`TVSET`	`is it possible to organize personal fonts in folders?`
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`04:14.51`	`chromate`	`is it possible to set GTK settings (like fonts and stuff) through KDE?`
`04:17.26`	`Dhraakellian`	`gtk-qt`
`04:17.57`	`Dhraakellian`	`and you can also use programs like switch or gtk-chtheme in kde`
`04:18.14`	`Dhraakellian`	`(switch for gtk 1.x, gtk-chtheme for gtk 2.x)`
`04:19.00`	`chromate`	`thanks`
`04:20.24`	`chromate`	`is gtk-qt an application that comes with KDE?`
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`04:25.25`	`mpee`	`chromate, it's a Gtk2 widget style that makes your Gtk apps look like KDE apps`
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`04:25.49`	`maddog187`	`hey guys`
`04:25.58`	`maddog187`	`im using freebsd 4.11 stable`
`04:26.03`	`maddog187`	`and im running KDE 3.3`
`04:26.50`	`maddog187`	`I have the Lisa daemon running according to ps aux \| grep lisa`
`04:26.54`	`maddog187`	`root 148 0.0 0.4 1476 692 ?? Ss 6:02PM 0:00.09 /usr/local/bin/lisa -q -c /usr/local/`
`04:27.15`	`maddog187`	`but when i try to use lan browsing, it gives me an error`
`04:27.44`	`maddog187`	`KDE tells me lisa daemon is not running`
`04:27.51`	`maddog187`	`which of course it is`
`04:28.28`	`maddog187`	`if i type smb://localhost it works fine`
`04:28.38`	`maddog187`	`but if type lan://localhost i get that error`
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`04:48.36`	`sbcl3`	`should kexi be taking 3 hours to compile???`
`04:48.40`	`sbcl3`	`*2 hours`
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`04:56.49`	`mpee`	`sbcl3, yes`
`04:56.56`	`sbcl3`	`mpee: how long will it take?`
`04:57.03`	`sbcl3`	`and how long is a kde compilation?`
`04:57.06`	`mpee`	`sbcl3, I dunno =D`
`04:57.18`	`mpee`	`how fast is your box, what else is it doing? lots of factors`
`04:57.36`	`sbcl3`	`okay; how long will a ~40 megabyte compilation take? (512mb ram, intel 2.4 ghz p4)`
`04:58.23`	`mpee`	`< 2 hours`
`04:59.24`	`mpee`	`sbcl3, have you tried running top or "vmstat 1" ?`
`04:59.55`	`sbcl3`	`yes`
`05:00.00`	`sbcl3`	`its taking 90% of the CPU`
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`05:00.36`	`mpee`	`sbcl3, what is?`
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`05:01.21`	`sbcl3`	`the cplusplus compilation`
`05:01.57`	`maddog187`	`anyone know why KDE 3.3 wont reconize LISA running`
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`05:03.00`	`sbcl3`	`wait a sec`
`05:03.05`	`mpee`	`sbcl3, is it just one g++ process? each one should finish fairly quickly`
`05:03.06`	`sbcl3`	`i think i just compiled all of koffice`
`05:03.12`	`sbcl3`	`whoops`
`05:03.14`	`sbcl3`	`:(`
`05:03.19`	`mpee`	`:}`
`05:03.40`	`mpee`	`-EUSER =D`
`05:05.13`	`sbcl3`	`well...now that i've gotten all of koffice....`
`05:05.18`	`sbcl3`	`i can install more than kexi`
`05:06.00`	`grepper`	`Mr. Magoo comes to mind :P`
`05:06.21`	`maddog187`	`everytime i try to lan browse`
`05:06.23`	`maddog187`	`i get this`
`05:06.24`	`maddog187`	`in order to use the lan browser the lisa daemon must be installed and activated by the system administrato`
`05:06.45`	`grepper`	`is it running ?`
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`05:07.56`	`maddog187`	`yep`
`05:07.57`	`maddog187`	`it sure s`
`05:08.13`	`maddog187`	`root 640 0.0 0.5 1476 948 ?? Ss 10:04PM 0:00.01 lisa`
`05:08.23`	`grepper`	`did you try configuring it in kcontrol ?`
`05:08.29`	`maddog187`	`yep`
`05:08.31`	`maddog187`	`sure did`
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`05:52.29`	`slayerbob`	`hiya everyone :P`
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`06:40.33`	`physos`	`slayerbob: moin`
`06:40.41`	`physos`	`slayerbob: is canllaith around?`
`06:42.14`	`slayerbob`	`physos: hiya`
`06:42.20`	`slayerbob`	`you haven't heard that she dumped me ?`
`06:42.29`	`physos`	`slayerbob: uh, no`
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`06:42.35`	`slayerbob`	`lol`
`06:42.49`	`slayerbob`	`so yeah i have no idea if she is around or not`
`06:42.53`	`Tm_T`	`almost sounds like a movie name`
`06:43.06`	`physos`	`slayerbob: sorry to hear that.`
`06:43.06`	`slayerbob`	`lol`
`06:43.06`	`Tm_T`	`"Canllaith who dumped me"`
`06:43.23`	`slayerbob`	`physos: not half as sorry as i was but ah well - life goes on`
`06:45.02`	`slayerbob`	`am still reading that blanchett book - hopefully soon i will know enough to start building stuffs :P`
`06:45.38`	`slayerbob`	`heh`
`06:46.07`	`physos`	`slayerbob: ig I get selected for the Google Summer of Code, I have to do some spead reading on that, too.`
`06:46.30`	`slayerbob`	`oh nice`
`06:46.33`	`slayerbob`	`congrats :P`
`06:47.07`	`physos`	`s/ig/IF/`
`06:47.10`	`slayerbob`	`or was the ig supposed to be an if ?`
`06:47.11`	`slayerbob`	`ah`
`06:47.11`	`slayerbob`	`lol`
`06:47.20`	`physos`	`I doubt it though.`
`06:47.30`	`slayerbob`	`why wouldn't you ?`
`06:48.15`	`physos`	`slayerbob: 200 people over all. _many_ projects (I calculated 4 participants per project last time)`
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`06:48.36`	`slayerbob`	`so you have a 25% chance of winning straight from the outset`
`06:48.39`	`slayerbob`	`:D`
`06:49.01`	`physos`	`200 who get sponsored, from the thousand who try ;)`
`06:49.07`	`slayerbob`	`oh right`
`06:49.07`	`slayerbob`	`lol`
`06:49.15`	`slayerbob`	`ok so i misread the first part :P`
`06:49.33`	`physos`	`nah, I just have to be clearer.`
`06:49.50`	`developer`	`I'm using KDE 3.4.1 and trying to use the baghira theme. Unfortunatly, in konqueror, the top edit bar (next to location) is all messed up (lots of rendering 'artifacts' at the side of the control. Is there a control setting I overlooked ?`
`06:54.26`	`physos`	`felly: 3.4.1 is pretty new, perheaps baghira is not yet adjusted to it?`
`06:55.46`	`felly`	`physos: could be could be`
`06:56.06`	`felly`	`physos: but i don't have a clue where to start looking for the problem :P`
`06:56.20`	`physos`	`felly: me neither, sorry.`
`06:56.38`	`felly`	`physos: no problem :)`
`07:01.14`	`bluelightning`	`gah... if you hide the menu in the kopete contact list there seems to be no way to get it back :(`
`07:01.26`	`bluelightning`	`I'll have a look in ~/.kde3.4`
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`07:04.02`	`bluelightning`	`ah, Ctrl+M also fixes it`
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`07:23.05`	`Diavolo`	`hi`
`07:28.47`	`Diavolo`	`is there an option to disable the arrow in the system tray for showing/hiding icons?`
`07:30.00`	`lauri`	`don't hide any?`
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`07:31.07`	`Diavolo`	`:)`
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`08:02.53`	`amorphix`	`im having a wee small problem with desktop settings in KDE 3.3`
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`08:38.43`	`pinotree`	`hello`
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`09:03.52`	`marcusU`	`Hi`
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`09:05.34`	`slayerbob`	`hiya marcusU`
`09:05.37`	`slayerbob`	`how is you today ?`
`09:05.52`	`marcusU`	`slayerbob: I'm not doing very well. How are you?`
`09:06.09`	`slayerbob`	`sorry to hear that marcusU - i am starting to do much better now`
`09:08.59`	`marcusU`	`I didn't know that you were doing badly in the first place.`
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`09:12.51`	`slayerbob`	`and now i'm not :P`
`09:12.58`	`slayerbob`	`i tend to not stay down for long`
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`10:28.17`	`notbadname`	`Hello Everybody`
`10:28.27`	`notbadname`	`Kdict not working`
`10:28.32`	`notbadname`	`please help`
`10:31.05`	`termo`	`hey!`
`10:31.10`	`termo`	`this is strange`
`10:31.30`	`termo`	`When I select a dir in the tree-view in konqueror`
`10:31.39`	`termo`	`and I press F2 to rename it`
`10:31.44`	`termo`	`it doesn't work`
`10:31.59`	`termo`	`and when I try to right-click->rename, nothing happens`
`10:32.10`	`termo`	`anybody having this same problem?`
`10:33.09`	`*** topic/#kde by thiago -> KDE 3.4.1 released \| KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ - The answer to your question might already be here! \| Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste \| Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions`
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`11:15.37`	`oneforall`	`hmm dict.org:2628 isn't working :( kdict`
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`11:18.48`	`notbadname`	`Hello Everybody`
`11:18.53`	`notbadname`	`Howdy`
`11:19.06`	`notbadname`	`i am using KDE 3.4`
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`11:20.29`	`notbadname`	`whenever i enter a query in kdict i am getting "could not connect to dict.org" message is "Operation in progress "`
`11:20.40`	`notbadname`	`what this meam?`
`11:20.48`	`notbadname`	`any help?`
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`11:21.02`	`pinotree`	`notbadname: it gives the same error here`
`11:22.36`	`slayerbob`	`given that two people have mentioned dict.org in the past couple of minutes there could be some connectivity issues with it`
`11:24.26`	`notbadname`	`slayerbob: i can ping dict.org;2628`
`11:25.37`	`slayerbob`	`notbadname: does not mean that the server is running though`
`11:25.41`	`slayerbob`	`as in the server application`
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`11:25.54`	`slayerbob`	`just means that the machine itself is there and that its networking is up`
`11:26.26`	`notbadname`	`slayerbob: i get responce`
`11:26.36`	`slayerbob`	`yup you would`
`11:26.45`	`slayerbob`	`it is not working here either and it usually does`
`11:28.59`	`notbadname`	`slayerbob: it means?`
`11:29.20`	`slayerbob`	`notbadname: wait a few hours and it will most likely magically start working again :)`
`11:30.17`	`notbadname`	`slayerbob: hey this not a valid answer`
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`11:30.54`	`notbadname`	`slayerbob: you are just tell me that it would flookly work`
`11:31.14`	`notbadname`	`slayerbob: is it a firewall issue?`
`11:31.29`	`slayerbob`	`notbadname: i am telling you that it is most likely a problem with the server and that it will start working again when the people in charge of it fix the problem`
`11:32.20`	`notbadname`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`11:35.13`	`notbadname`	`slayerbob: hello one thing i noticed in web site, when i search via their web site in results page it told me this "Using backup server"`
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`11:36.29`	`chx`	`hi. kmail trashes >1meg emails :( any idea why?`
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`11:37.15`	`StevenR`	`chx: define trashes`
`11:37.33`	`chx`	`StevenR: moves to Trash folder`
`11:37.56`	`StevenR`	`chx: check your settings, there may be a filter doing that`
`11:38.00`	`notbadname`	`slayerbob : i am so sorry=-O, i needlessly blamed kdict, after changing to another server it is working lika a charm`
`11:38.03`	`chx`	`there is none`
`11:38.05`	`chx`	`I checked`
`11:38.16`	`slayerbob`	`notbadname: how about that :)`
`11:38.47`	`StevenR`	`chx: check the settings for the account`
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`11:39.24`	`chx`	`StevenR: What should I hunt for? Destination folder: Inbox, pre command empty`
`11:39.37`	`StevenR`	`chx: filter messages if .....`
`11:39.41`	`chx`	`Filter message if they are greater not checked`
`11:40.05`	`StevenR`	`chx: have you checked the pop filters too? are they being filtered as spam?`
`11:40.33`	`chx`	`I think I do not have spam filtering`
`11:41.15`	`chx`	`But checking POP filters`
`11:44.02`	`chx`	`nothing`
`11:44.27`	`StevenR`	`chx: anythign special about these messages?`
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`12:09.43`	`washyourmonkey`	`i am trying to configure kdevelop to use the allegro gaming library but i cant even get it to correctly run the basic "hello world" program.`
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`12:12.06`	`washyourmonkey`	`can anyone tell me why this is not working`
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`12:13.32`	`washyourmonkey`	`i am trying to configure kdevelop to use the allegro gaming library but i cant even get it to correctly run the basic "hello world" program.`
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`12:18.10`	`xpol`	`hi`
`12:18.42`	`xpol`	`how to tell kicker to load an applet that is located in /usr/local ?`
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`12:22.32`	`washyourmonkey`	`i am trying to configure kdevelop to use the allegro gaming library but i cant even get it to correctly run the basic "hello world" program.`
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`12:27.05`	`washyourmonkey`	`i am trying to configure kdevelop to use the allegro gaming library but i cant even get it to correctly run the basic "hello world" program.`
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`12:27.41`	`xpol`	`is thee any way to add /usr/local as path for the kde system?`
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`12:37.17`	`washyourmonkey`	`i am trying to configure kdevelop to use the allegro gaming library but i cant even get it to correctly run the basic "hello world" program.`
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`12:39.21`	`mobtek`	`try kde-devel but they might be asleep as well washyourmonkey`
`12:41.38`	`washyourmonkey`	`ok thanx`
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`12:42.13`	`kaltas`	`I've got a question: How to change the background of the splash-screen during kde loading?`
`12:42.27`	`randomity`	`KDE control centre`
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`12:42.45`	`kaltas`	`i did not find anything there @ randomity`
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`12:43.08`	`kaltas`	`just the splash-style, not the background`
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`12:43.41`	`randomity`	`It might use kdm settings`
`12:44.16`	`kaltas`	`okay i will try thanks`
`12:44.46`	`anisX`	`can somebody tell me how to compress the folder to tar.bz2 ?`
`12:45.14`	`anisX`	`anis/ to anis.tar.bz2 , anyone can help me there ?`
`12:45.40`	`randomity`	`tar -cvf thing.tar *; bzip thing.tar (i think)`
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`12:45.43`	`pinotree`	`anisX: tar cvjf anis.tar.bz2 anis/`
`12:45.59`	`pinotree`	`randomity: mine is better :P`
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`12:46.59`	`randomity`	`Ah, Linux. Why have one way to do it when you can have several thousand?`
`12:47.01`	`florg`	`hi. is it possible with konqueror to copy files between different computers via ssh?`
`12:47.25`	`StevenR`	`pinotree: assuming you have gnu tar, if you don't have gnu tar, then your method is broken :)`
`12:47.49`	`pinotree`	`#@!^`
`12:47.53`	`pinotree`	`ok :)`
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`12:47.53`	`randomity`	`Since were on #kde, why not use ark`
`12:47.54`	`StevenR`	`florg: fish://user@host on the addressbar`
`12:49.23`	`florg`	`cool! thx`
`12:49.46`	`StevenR`	`np`
`12:50.54`	`annma`	`is there another tar than gnu?`
`12:51.54`	`randomity`	`YES`
`12:52.23`	`StevenR`	`annma: presumably bsd tar or something`
`12:52.30`	`randomity`	`All Unices have a version of tar. Some are gnu, some aren't`
`12:53.46`	`StevenR`	`anyone used k3b 0.12? what's it like, stability/performance wise?`
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`13:12.21`	`Themafia`	`is there a way to make the menu in the lower left corner in konsole pop-up quicker?`
`13:12.48`	`Tm_T`	`Themafia: session menu?`
`13:13.03`	`Themafia`	`yes i think that is what it is called`
`13:13.11`	`Tm_T`	`ok`
`13:14.36`	`randomity`	`Are you using alpha-blending?`
`13:15.21`	`PhilRod`	`AFAIK, you can't change it`
`13:16.11`	`Tm_T`	`yeah, unfortunately no way to fix it`
`13:16.22`	`Tm_T`	`I never use default session`
`13:17.11`	`Tm_T`	`so to me it would be if that menu opens using sincle click`
`13:17.15`	`Tm_T`	`single`
`13:18.20`	`Themafia`	`i never use default session either, I save a bunch of sessions and use them, what is the quickest way to start a saved session?`
`13:19.05`	`Tm_T`	`I keep several sessions open, so I don't need to open new ones :p`
`13:19.26`	`Themafia`	`well me too, but over a day or so i open more and more and more as i need access to servers and systems`
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`13:19.32`	`DexterF`	`hi`
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`13:20.28`	`Themafia`	`hi`
`13:20.44`	`DexterF`	`just upgraded 3.3.2->3.4.1. now i have a window list and the taskbar, I'd like the window list to sit at the bottom like it was in 3.3.2`
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`13:21.35`	`DexterF`	`umm, shoud mention: both taskbar an WL are at the bottom, taskbar sitting on top of the WL`
`13:23.21`	`OldakQuill`	`I am having problems with the display - not sure whether it is graphics card or monitor driver issue. I try and get up to 1280x960 and the screen seems to tile. Whatever applications I have open appear again on the other half of the screen.`
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`13:29.30`	`DexterF`	`OldakQuill: X issue rather. see #xorg. what card and X version?`
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`13:33.54`	`expose`	`Hi.`
`13:34.02`	`pinotree`	`hello expose`
`13:34.14`	`expose`	`is it possible that applications in autostart get loaded before the kicker is loaded?`
`13:34.28`	`pinotree`	`before?`
`13:34.33`	`pinotree`	`strictly?`
`13:34.44`	`expose`	`kopete doesnt show up there anymore when i start kde, but the process is running, and it works nice when i kill it, and restart it.`
`13:34.56`	`expose`	`i'm kind of confused :-)`
`13:35.34`	`expose`	`Hm. Maybe it was broken somehow...let's try again. brb. (but it happend a few times yet...)`
`13:35.57`	`DexterF`	`kopete has been broken ever since`
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`13:38.08`	`expose`	`hm. same problem.`
`13:38.31`	`expose`	`the icon appears but is grayed because there's no connecten yet, and then it just disappears while the process keeps running.`
`13:38.51`	`expose`	`kde 3.4.0 (and corresponding versions)`
`13:39.26`	`DexterF`	`expose: i wouldn't put it in autostart in the first place. i let session management handle that. restores kopete+status fine`
`13:40.07`	`expose`	`Well...i dont want session management to do this, because i dont want <whatsoever> to be opened also, just because i had it open the last time too, you see?`
`13:40.31`	`expose`	`hm. i'll test what happens when i use a simple script to delay the process for a second or two.`
`13:40.58`	`expose`	`(I'd like to have a "clean" session at the beginning. not the one i had before...)`
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`13:45.40`	`expose`	`hm...works fine when i just use a simple "#!/bin/bash <newline> kopete"`
`13:45.45`	`expose`	`wierd`
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`13:50.38`	`DexterF`	`i think the new kopete doesn't restore stastus here, too`
`13:50.41`	`DexterF`	`ill test`
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`13:52.17`	`nimatar`	`konqueror don't shows thumbnails, any idea what may be the cause of this?`
`13:52.33`	`nimatar`	`I've checked the relative option in the preferences...`
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`13:54.11`	`nimatar`	`it seems that it tries to load them but it shows empty thumbnails`
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`13:56.53`	`DexterF`	`why does the konsole font look different EACH TIME I upgrade kde?`
`13:57.28`	`Tm_T`	`haha`
`13:57.40`	`Tm_T`	`check your fontsettings from console`
`13:58.04`	`DexterF`	`my font settings are exactly the same as they were before the upgrade`
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`14:00.28`	`nimatar`	`screenshot-> http://nimatar.altervista.org/_altervista_ht/nothumbs.png`
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`14:02.21`	`adapt`	`if i start apps (amarok, kopete) that normally start hidden in the system-tray, but now im in a different window manager that doesnt have a system tray, how can i start them so they show up as a window initially`
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`14:03.19`	`nimatar`	`adapt, I think they have an option "start in systray"`
`14:04.10`	`adapt`	`you know of a command line switch? i cant start them to disable that option`
`14:04.24`	`adapt`	`fuckit, ill just start kicker.`
`14:04.25`	`adapt`	`thanks`
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`14:05.33`	`jmazaredo`	`how do i install kde? i have an old kde running. can i just install the rpms? or do i need to do something else?`
`14:05.47`	`Tm_T`	`and distro was..`
`14:06.16`	`jmazaredo`	`im using mandrake`
`14:06.18`	`Tm_T`	`but anyway, just install the new one`
`14:06.55`	`jmazaredo`	`just like that?`
`14:07.16`	`Tm_T`	`yeah`
`14:07.30`	`Tm_T`	`I think mandrake provide new packages`
`14:07.46`	`Tm_T`	`so just normal upgrade procedure`
`14:07.49`	`jmazaredo`	`im using and old distribution mandrake 9.0`
`14:07.51`	`jmazaredo`	`hehe`
`14:08.12`	`Tm_T`	`ah`
`14:08.19`	`jmazaredo`	`_`
`14:08.32`	`Tm_T`	`I'm glad I don't use mandrake`
`14:08.58`	`jmazaredo`	`i'm a n00b`
`14:09.13`	`adapt`	`heh`
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`14:09.41`	`jmazaredo`	`im downloading now the rpms`
`14:10.30`	`nimatar`	`jmazaredo, I think you can install a new version an mandrake (and also mandriva I think) and keep the old settings and data`
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`14:11.22`	`expose`	`hm.`
`14:11.42`	`expose`	`after some testing, it really seems to me like it actually gets started slightly before the kicker is loaded...`
`14:11.44`	`nimatar`	`jmazaredo, there shold be an option for that`
`14:12.02`	`jmazaredo`	`i have problems installing it and running postfix. i stick to 9.0 hehe`
`14:12.05`	`expose`	`it = kopete, in the autostart-directory.`
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`14:31.03`	`s-toned`	`kmail just began to kill the mail in my inbox: when I click on a mail in inbox, the subject turns into "no subject", and the date changes to 1970-01-01`
`14:31.12`	`s-toned`	`how can I stop that?`
`14:31.25`	`adapt`	`ouch. is it imap?`
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`14:31.37`	`s-toned`	`adapt: pop`
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`14:31.57`	`s-toned`	`the mails in other folders remain intact`
`14:32.47`	`s-toned`	`the mail bodies of the destroyed mails contain only a few garbled characters`
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`14:33.20`	`markey`	`delete your index file`
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`14:34.44`	`s-toned`	`markey: only .inbox.index or .inbox.index.ids too? (exiting kmail and restarting didn't fix the problem)`
`14:35.00`	`markey`	`dunno`
`14:35.02`	`markey`	`start with the first one`
`14:35.10`	`markey`	`then restart kmail`
`14:35.17`	`markey`	`it's gonna rebuild the index`
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`14:41.33`	`thefish`	`hello - i have a wierd issue with kasbar, if I have it running, I get really spiky CPU usage from X, and it slows down other apps... any idea how to debug?`
`14:41.47`	`houshuang`	`stupid question: how do I set the indent width in Kate? (8 is way too much!)`
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`14:44.26`	`s-toned`	`markey: there are only 8 mails left (from 93) if I delete .inbox.index (these 8 mails can be clicked with the old index file) seems as if the mail is gone...`
`14:44.27`	`oneforall`	`hmm dict.org:2628 isn't working :( kdict`
`14:44.50`	`markey`	`s-toned: better go to #kmail and ask there`
`14:45.30`	`s-toned`	`markey: thanks`
`14:45.45`	`lippel`	`s-toned: or #kontact`
`14:51.58`	`nimatar`	`oneforall, use "dict: word" in konqueror`
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`14:52.41`	`spiral`	`salut`
`14:52.55`	`houshuang`	`so anyone, indent width in Kate?`
`14:53.22`	`xzz`	`kate :D`
`14:53.25`	`oneforall`	`nimatar just weird that quit working`
`14:53.54`	`oneforall`	`not connecting any more. but in mozilla etc it dos with outt he :2628 port thou`
`14:54.04`	`oneforall`	`guess they musta changes the port eh`
`14:54.55`	`adapt`	`dict: debauchery`
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`14:56.35`	`nimatar`	`houshuang, options -> editing`
`14:57.23`	`nimatar`	`houshuang, *configure Kate -> editing`
`15:00.16`	`oneforall`	`mangoto that site and too many darn popups and not as nice as kdict`
`15:00.28`	`oneforall`	`mangoto/man goto`
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`15:11.55`	`DexterF`	`kaffeine users here?`
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`15:12.20`	`DexterF`	`i just upgraded to kde 3.4.1 (pain) and now kaffeine wont play dvb streams anymore.`
`15:12.30`	`DexterF`	`complains about the pipe kaxtv.ts`
`15:12.38`	`DexterF`	`don't know what's wrong`
`15:14.00`	`oneforall`	`so where can i find out how to fix kdict to connect right ?`
`15:14.32`	`oneforall`	`much easier and quicker than opening konq and it lists them all niclely`
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`15:59.06`	`rober`	`hi there`
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`16:06.59`	`adapt`	`anyone know of a qt/kde style that looks like beos?`
`16:07.29`	`rober`	`kdelook.org is the place to go (i guess)`
`16:08.23`	`adapt`	`yeah i checked there. didnt see it. :/ thanks though`
`16:12.21`	`guido_wrk`	`Hi, I have a problem with kde 3.4.1 on Debian 3.0. I just found out that kpdf was never compiled. I just reran the configure script in kdegraphics and, yes, somewhere hidden in its output it says it won't compile kpdf`
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`16:12.44`	`guido_wrk`	`My question is, how do I get it to include kpdf for compilation after all?`
`16:13.25`	`guido_wrk`	`I've skimmed over config.log and didn't find a clue as to why it wouldn't want to compile it`
`16:15.06`	`PhilRod`	`what are you compiling from? vanilla sources, konstruct, ...?`
`16:15.37`	`guido_wrk`	`vanilla sources`
`16:16.18`	`StevenR`	`adapt: afaik, kde comes with a beos style`
`16:16.45`	`StevenR`	`adapt: called B II it seems`
`16:17.09`	`grepper`	`guido_wrk: you are sure you installed all the build depends ?`
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`16:18.07`	`boldii`	`hi`
`16:18.08`	`adapt`	`StevenR: you are right. in 3.4 its B3/KDe but thats exactly what i was looking for thanks!`
`16:18.10`	`guido_wrk`	`grepper: well, configure didn't loudly complain about anything missing at the end of the configure run, as it sometimes does (at least not about anything I'd care about)`
`16:18.35`	`guido_wrk`	`I just did "cd kpdf;make", let's see how far this works`
`16:18.36`	`grepper`	`check the build-deps for the debian 3.4.1 package of kpdf`
`16:18.53`	`guido_wrk`	`where can i see those?`
`16:19.13`	`grepper`	`well, you need a deb-src for the experimental repo`
`16:19.25`	`grepper`	`you do know there are debian packages for 3.4.1 ?`
`16:19.49`	`guido_wrk`	`yes, but i need to compile from source anyway`
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`16:20.16`	`grepper`	`apt-cache showsrc kpdf`
`16:20.39`	`grepper`	`"Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.27), debhelper (>= 4.2.30), autotools-dev, gawk, gettext, imlib11-dev, kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.4.1), libexif-dev (>= 0.6.9-1), libfribidi-dev, libglut3-dev, libgphoto2-2-dev, libopenexr-dev (>= 1.2.1), libpaper-dev, libsane-dev (>> 1.0.15), libtiff4-dev, libtiff-tools, libusb-dev, sharutils, tetex-bin, texinfo, xlibs-static-pic"`
`16:20.42`	`guido_wrk`	`it's comlaining about a missing Xft/XftCompat.h`
`16:21.30`	`grepper`	`run dpkg-checkbuilddeps`
`16:22.13`	`grepper`	`XftCompat.h is libxft-dev`
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`16:23.40`	`guido_wrk`	`I cannot install any new packages on the target machine, because it's sort of locked down`
`16:23.47`	`grepper`	`obviously if you are compiling from source for all of it you don't want the debian kde packages in the build-deps`
`16:26.35`	`lippel`	`ah, hi guido_wrk ;)`
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`16:27.25`	`lippel`	`guido_wrk: did kde 3.4.1 install work using gcc 2.95 some weeks ago?`
`16:28.55`	`guido_wrk`	`lippel: yes, it did, thx`
`16:29.43`	`lippel`	`guido_wrk: do you have the patches around?`
`16:30.28`	`guido_wrk`	`er, no sry. Wasn't it you, anyway, who gave e that patch in the first place?`
`16:30.59`	`guido_wrk`	`I'm trying to recall where exactly the problem was...`
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`16:32.07`	`lippel`	`guido_wrk: well, you fixed a second compile error iirc. i could search for it myself, but lazyness, you know... ;-)`
`16:32.09`	`Julianyus`	`hi`
`16:34.07`	`guido_wrk`	`hm, maybe it's still in my konqueror history`
`16:34.26`	`guido_wrk`	`I think was something about import filters for kmail...`
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`16:36.21`	`guido_wrk`	`lippel: I'll run a diff between my code repository here (which shouldn't conatin any changes besides those two) and the vanilla kmail source and tell you about the result, okay?`
`16:36.47`	`lippel`	`guido_wrk: that'd be great`
`16:37.09`	`lippel`	`guido_wrk: wasn`
`16:37.18`	`lippel`	`'t it kmailcvt or something?`
`16:37.51`	`lippel`	`outlook import filter iirc`
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`16:39.51`	`guido_wrk`	`I think you're right. we'll see`
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`16:43.10`	`ironfroggy`	`I'm having some trouble with larger font sizes in konquerer. as they get larger, the space between lines isn't changing, so they overlap.`
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`16:48.31`	`guido_wrk`	`lippel: http://www.hartes-hannover.de/~guido/diff-for-kdepim-3.4.1`
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`16:48.59`	`lippel`	`guido_wrk: thanks!`
`16:49.31`	`guido_wrk`	`lippel: will you do a bug report about this?`
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`16:58.11`	`kokoko1`	`howto select text while viewing pdf in konqueror?`
`16:58.25`	`kokoko1`	`select = highlight`
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`16:59.34`	`Dhraakellian`	`kokoko1, ther should be three buttons in the toolbar`
`16:59.47`	`Dhraakellian`	`a mouse, a magnifying glass, and another one`
`17:00.02`	`Dhraakellian`	`for normal, zoom tool, and select`
`17:00.35`	`Dhraakellian`	`or just do Mouse Mode > Select`
`17:00.44`	`Dhraakellian`	`from the menu`
`17:01.10`	`Dhraakellian`	`then make a box around the text you want to select`
`17:02.18`	`Dhraakellian`	`a context menu will come up`
`17:03.01`	`kokoko1`	`Dhraakellian, no mouse button i have only <-- --> , and zoom buttons yes there are copy paste button but ofcourse they are dim`
`17:03.20`	`Dhraakellian`	`okay`
`17:03.40`	`Dhraakellian`	`then try Mouse Mode > Select from the menu`
`17:04.03`	`kokoko1`	`which menu?`
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`17:04.26`	`Dhraakellian`	`the menubar`
`17:04.34`	`Dhraakellian`	`between Go and Settings`
`17:05.55`	`kokoko1`	`nope notthing here like Mouse Mode`
`17:06.01`	`Dhraakellian`	`what version?`
`17:06.16`	`Dhraakellian`	`oh... in konqueror`
`17:06.33`	`kokoko1`	`3.3.2 however i had only install kdebase and i'm using only konqueror and kwrite`
`17:06.47`	`Dhraakellian`	`heh`
`17:06.51`	`Dhraakellian`	`3.4.1 here`
`17:06.59`	`Dhraakellian`	`which might explain it.`
`17:07.16`	`kokoko1`	`i don't use kde desktop mate but i like these two applications`
`17:07.36`	`Dhraakellian`	`I'm not sure if kpdf had that feature in KDE 3.3`
`17:07.59`	`Dhraakellian`	`I seem to recall hearing that KPDF got a ton of work done on it between 3.3 and 3.4`
`17:08.09`	`kokoko1`	`any how thanks :)`
`17:08.29`	`Dhraakellian`	`you're welcome`
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`17:09.02`	`Dhraakellian`	`so, yeah, there is a reason to upgrade to 3.4 other than search bars everywhere and svg wallpapers`
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`17:17.11`	`b1rkoff`	`hi *`
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`17:21.57`	`tsdh`	`Does KMail have a keyboard shortcut for opening the currently selected mail?`
`17:22.25`	`physos_`	`tsdh: V`
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`17:23.50`	`b1rkoff`	`i once saw a great theme for kde .. with email notification.. is it karamba?`
`17:23.55`	`physos_`	`tsdh: "Return" is what you want I think.`
`17:24.39`	`tsdh`	`physos: V opens the message source and RET won't work in Kontact...`
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`17:26.03`	`physos_`	`tsdh: Just realized the latter. mmmh, Just assign a new shortcut to "Display Message"`
`17:26.24`	`physos_`	`tsdh: with the new quick search in the shortcut dialog this is really fast.`
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`17:27.16`	`tsdh`	`physos_: Yes, I see.`
`17:27.41`	`physos_`	`tsdh: have to look why "Return" is no longer working though.`
`17:28.59`	`tsdh`	`physos_: After setting a shortcut to # and back to Return, return works again...`
`17:29.20`	`physos_`	`tsdh: huh`
`17:29.35`	`physos_`	`tsdh: ok, thats a bug.`
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`17:30.32`	`vi4m`	`Does Kmail display signatures as Knode does ?`
`17:30.59`	`vi4m`	`I mean separated from the content`
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`17:32.37`	`physos`	`tsdh: just asked: known issue for the Kontact devels. Going to be fixed next version.`
`17:32.47`	`physos`	`(the last sentence is from me ;)`
`17:33.01`	`tsdh`	`physos: Great. Thanks a lot!`
`17:33.49`	`physos`	`tsdh: thats what we are here for ;) To help users who are asking friendly`
`17:36.43`	`tsdh`	`vi4m: I don't think so and I don't find an option to change it to this behaviour.`
`17:37.19`	`axiom`	`Does anyone here use freenx?`
`17:38.22`	`furryball`	`I do.`
`17:38.24`	`vi4m`	`tsdh: thats a pity.. nice feature.`
`17:39.04`	`axiom`	`furryball: does yours work with png compression?`
`17:39.09`	`tsdh`	`vi4m: Indeed.`
`17:39.27`	`furryball`	`no idea what it uses. it's damn fast and it's enough for me :)`
`17:40.26`	`axiom`	`furryball: It is fast, mine works but it is using jpeg compression, I'd like to use png since that would be lossless`
`17:42.16`	`CondorDes`	`hmmmm. The kdepim SVN build has been broken for me for a while because of kxml_compiler... is it just me, or is there a known problem with it?`
`17:42.30`	`a_thing`	`Anyone know what can play MNGs?`
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`17:43.30`	`axiom`	`Konqueror has native MNG support, and MNG plugins are available for Opera and Internet Explorer. Mozilla (and hence Netscape) originally supported MNG, but native support for MNG was removed in version 1.5a and Mozilla has not supported the format since. Safari does not support MNG.`
`17:43.48`	`lauri`	`CondorDes: either uninstall kdepim and start over`
`17:43.48`	`axiom`	`from wikipedia`
`17:44.07`	`lauri`	`or make; make install in the kode directory, then rebuild all of kdepim`
`17:44.34`	`a_thing`	`Neither Konqueror nor KView plays MNGs.`
`17:44.56`	`a_thing`	`nvm`
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`17:44.58`	`lauri`	`if you look at them in konqueror as a viewer, it is kview`
`17:44.59`	`a_thing`	`I had animations off`
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`17:45.45`	`CondorDes`	`lauri: I have already tried rebuilding repeatedly (my build script distcleans and rebuilds automatically if a module build fails)`
`17:46.04`	`lauri`	`that is not what I said`
`17:46.16`	`lauri`	`uninstall, so you have no kdepim installed at all (not distclean, the installed copy)`
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`17:46.30`	`lauri`	`or install from the kode directory, and then do the rest of kdepim`
`17:46.45`	`CondorDes`	`lauri: Oh yes, sorry, haven't had my caffeine yet today. ;)`
`17:46.46`	`a_thing`	`...KView isn't playing an MNG but Konqueror is`
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`17:58.36`	`Dhraakellian`	`hmm`
`17:58.54`	`Dhraakellian`	`it's happened.... I went to use the old laptop upstairs`
`17:58.59`	`Dhraakellian`	`with firefox`
`17:59.19`	`Dhraakellian`	`and I almost had an "ew... gross" reflex`
`17:59.23`	`slayerbob`	`LOL`
`18:00.17`	`Dhraakellian`	`allinone gestures has some things that khotkeys doesn't`
`18:00.44`	`slayerbob`	`the gestures in firefox annoy me`
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`18:00.51`	`Dhraakellian`	`and that broken monstrosity that is tabbrowser extensions...`
`18:01.03`	`slayerbob`	`largely because the only one i can make work is the one that loads a new page at randon`
`18:01.03`	`Dhraakellian`	`slayerbob, which extension?`
`18:01.05`	`slayerbob`	`*random`
`18:01.06`	`Dhraakellian`	`there are two of them`
`18:01.16`	`CondorDes`	`lauri: Looks like it's happy now, thanks for the help. :)`
`18:01.17`	`slayerbob`	`and i have no idea what i do that causes it to happen :S`
`18:01.33`	`Dhraakellian`	`rocker gestures and right-click+scrollwheel are the ones I miss`
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`18:01.49`	`jmax1632`	`hello`
`18:01.59`	`Dhraakellian`	`slayerbob, does it try to load whatever's on the clipboard?`
`18:02.19`	`slayerbob`	`Dhraakellian: i have not looked into it in that much detail`
`18:02.26`	`jmax1632`	`everytime i start kdm.. and input my password to enter the desktop, KDM stops loadin at a certain point`
`18:02.29`	`slayerbob`	`but that is plausible since it is always a recent page`
`18:02.33`	`jmax1632`	`it differs each time`
`18:02.44`	`jmax1632`	`and it's preventing me from using my system >:)`
`18:02.46`	`jmax1632`	`>:( too`
`18:03.50`	`slayerbob`	`jmax1632: can you start kde with startx from runlevel 3 ?`
`18:04.09`	`jmax1632`	`slayerbob: tried that... still messes up`
`18:04.32`	`slayerbob`	`jmax1632: you will probably want to look in the log to see where it is stopping`
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`18:04.48`	`jmax1632`	`slayerbob: which log?`
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`18:14.07`	`jmax1632`	`anyone?`
`18:14.22`	`jan-heiner`	`hallo`
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`18:20.20`	`jmax1632`	`slayerbob: ok`
`18:20.55`	`jmax1632`	`nothing in kdm.log`
`18:21.43`	`jmax1632`	`or xdm.log`
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`19:34.24`	`annma`	`TyggerBob: they are in #debian-kde`
`19:34.38`	`TyggerBob`	`Thanks annma`
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`19:58.37`	`ara`	`anyone know of a composite manager that uses opengl for kde ?`
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`20:00.47`	`OldakQuill`	`KDE doesn#t`
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`20:01.02`	`OldakQuill`	`seem to have an integrated transparency effect for windows?`
`20:01.16`	`b1rkoff`	`hi what is the coolest kde theme are there?`
`20:01.40`	`OldakQuill`	`default?`
`20:01.45`	`OldakQuill`	`:)`
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`20:02.56`	`b1rkoff`	`im new in kde theme stuff`
`20:03.27`	`OldakQuill`	`Yeah, I only installed KDE today`
`20:04.05`	`b1rkoff`	`is karamba good?`
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`20:05.23`	`ara`	`yes`
`20:05.55`	`OldakQuill`	`ara, are you a KDE expert? Does KDE have integrated transparency?`
`20:06.08`	`b1rkoff`	`lol`
`20:06.11`	`b1rkoff`	`:)`
`20:06.13`	`b1rkoff`	`ara: thanks`
`20:06.19`	`ara`	`haha`
`20:07.01`	`ara`	`OldakQuill: no i'm not, but kde 3.4 has a composite manager integrated in kwin.`
`20:07.19`	`ara`	`b1rkoff: np`
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`20:09.29`	`b1rkoff`	`ara: may i see your kde screenshot :)`
`20:09.39`	`b1rkoff`	`and the theme ?`
`20:11.34`	`ara`	`b1rkoff: i posted some screenies sometime ago at winehq, http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots.php?appId=2224&versionId=`
`20:12.22`	`ara`	`i use a custom theme`
`20:13.52`	`OldakQuill`	`What is the best P2P software with GUI?`
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`20:14.07`	`b1rkoff`	`ara: a custom theme?`
`20:14.13`	`Axilla`	`Hi, I cannot find a way to define profile specific bookmarks in konqueror; can anyone confirm this is not possible? Any workaround?`
`20:14.42`	`Axilla`	`I would like to have distinct set of bookmarks for distinct profiles`
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`20:15.47`	`ara`	`b1rkoff: yes, i took a karamba theme and edited it`
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`20:19.28`	`b1rkoff`	`ara: karamba is a theme right?`
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`20:21.25`	`b1rkoff`	`ar__:ara? karamba is atheme?`
`20:21.34`	`b1rkoff`	`or an app?`
`20:22.42`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: app`
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`20:23.27`	`vblanton`	`does anyone know how I would login with kdm from a openldap mac osx server?`
`20:24.08`	`b1rkoff`	`application?`
`20:24.35`	`b1rkoff`	`spiral: i want a transparant theme for my kde..`
`20:24.42`	`b1rkoff`	`will karamba helps?`
`20:24.56`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: composite will help`
`20:25.10`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: I don't think karamba uses composite...`
`20:25.35`	`b1rkoff`	`spiral: composite ? from kde-look.org??`
`20:26.39`	`b1rkoff`	`http://deprecated.it/kslackcheck/kslackcheckscreenshots/kslack11.png <--- what is this theme used ??`
`20:26.40`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: from the Xorg server extension you've got to enable in order to get true transparency`
`20:26.47`	`b1rkoff`	`its cool`
`20:28.08`	`b1rkoff`	`spiral: xorg extension is a add on? where can i download it?`
`20:28.13`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: baghira & so on...`
`20:28.22`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: what is your X server ?`
`20:28.37`	`b1rkoff`	`xorg`
`20:28.44`	`b1rkoff`	`im using slackware 10.1`
`20:28.55`	`b1rkoff`	`i use kde 3.4.1 too`
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`20:30.55`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: what is your graphic card ? have you got accelerated drivers for it ?`
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`20:32.39`	`b1rkoff`	`i use nvidia geforce..`
`20:32.44`	`b1rkoff`	`mx 4`
`20:33.04`	`b1rkoff`	`and also installed nvidia driver`
`20:33.12`	`b1rkoff`	`spiral: will that matter?`
`20:33.35`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: no, it should be fine... It would have mattered without drivers...`
`20:34.03`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: google a bit for the changes you've got to add in your xorg.conf to enable composite, damage & acceleration for all this`
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`20:34.52`	`b1rkoff`	`spiral: what will the keyword be?`
`20:35.15`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: composite xorg damage for example`
`20:35.25`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: there's a good gentoo tuto for this normally`
`20:35.37`	`b1rkoff`	`where?`
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`20:37.01`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: this link is french, but you might find the same in english : http://lamorine.free.fr/WinOSX/website`
`20:37.05`	`spiral`	`sorry...`
`20:37.07`	`spiral`	`bad link`
`20:37.09`	`spiral`	`http://fr.gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_et_transparence`
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`20:38.19`	`b1rkoff`	`thanks`
`20:39.42`	`b1rkoff`	`its in france :(`
`20:39.55`	`Axilla`	`I would like to have distinct set of bookmarks for distinct konqueror profiles; do you know if this is feasible?`
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`20:40.14`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: yep, try to find smth like this in english`
`20:41.40`	`b1rkoff`	`spiral: after i configure my xorg.conf.. what theme or add ons should i get to have them work well`
`20:41.57`	`b1rkoff`	`spiral: go tit`
`20:41.59`	`b1rkoff`	`go tit`
`20:42.03`	`b1rkoff`	`got it`
`20:42.51`	`Paleo`	`lippel pong`
`20:43.15`	`lippel`	`hi Paleo :)`
`20:43.27`	`lippel`	`Paleo: i read that you offer web hosting for kde projects`
`20:43.33`	`Paleo`	`yep`
`20:43.49`	`spiral`	`b1rkoff: enable transparency in kcontrol for any theme you want`
`20:44.16`	`lippel`	`Paleo: akregator is hosted on sf right now, akregator.sourceforge.net`
`20:44.41`	`lippel`	`Paleo: we thought about moving the static content over to the kdepim sites`
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`20:45.17`	`lippel`	`Paleo: but we are looking for a new home for our wiki and blog ;-)`
`20:45.26`	`b1rkoff`	`oic`
`20:45.38`	`Paleo`	`:) no problem, I'll be happy to host it`
`20:46.33`	`Paleo`	`username and password for FTP/MySQL access ? MySQL database name ? Do you have a domain name ? Do you need mail services (IMAP/POP/SMTP) ?`
`20:47.24`	`lippel`	`right now, we only need our wordpress blog and wacko wiki hosted`
`20:48.17`	`b1rkoff`	`where can i get the transset and xcompmgr`
`20:48.35`	`Paleo`	`Okay`
`20:48.37`	`Paleo`	`just a minute then`
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`21:01.02`	`b1rkoff`	`can anyone here helps me configure baghira????`
`21:01.10`	`b1rkoff`	`:)`
`21:01.10`	`b1rkoff`	`pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee`
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`21:02.26`	`vardhman`	`baghira? What is that app for?`
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`21:02.41`	`annma`	`it's a style I think`
`21:02.45`	`annma`	`or something`
`21:02.56`	`annma`	`b1rkoff: this is not in official kde`
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`21:03.37`	`b1rkoff`	`annma: i dont know much about x / kde configuration`
`21:03.55`	`b1rkoff`	`what is baghira? and karamba`
`21:03.59`	`b1rkoff`	`?`
`21:03.59`	`b1rkoff`	`:(`
`21:04.06`	`annma`	`so why do you use that?`
`21:04.08`	`eean`	`b1rkoff: if you don't know what they are, why do you want to configure them?`
`21:04.12`	`annma`	`just use a normak kde`
`21:04.16`	`annma`	`lol`
`21:04.19`	`eean`	`hehe`
`21:04.55`	`vardhman`	`:)`
`21:05.18`	`b1rkoff`	`i want to make my kde look good`
`21:05.29`	`b1rkoff`	`like transparency`
`21:05.32`	`b1rkoff`	`and themes`
`21:05.56`	`vardhman`	`that makes sense!`
`21:06.10`	`vardhman`	`Karamba is eye-candy suite AFAIK`
`21:06.12`	`eean`	`KDE does look good =)`
`21:06.34`	`eean`	`baghira is the OS X lookalike`
`21:06.34`	`annma`	`kde itself is enough for newbies`
`21:06.39`	`b1rkoff`	`eye-candy? whats that?`
`21:06.48`	`b1rkoff`	`its a theme right???`
`21:06.49`	`annma`	`what distro do you use, b1rkoff ?`
`21:06.53`	`vardhman`	`It means something that is just for look and feel`
`21:06.58`	`eean`	`so baghira its a pretty ugly IMO`
`21:07.00`	`annma`	`eye candy = looks too good to be true`
`21:07.13`	`b1rkoff`	`annma: slackware`
`21:07.30`	`annma`	`shouldn't the things you install be already configured?`
`21:07.38`	`b1rkoff`	`annma: i saw a screenshot.. and i wonder how to make it for my desktop`
`21:07.54`	`annma`	`then ask in #slackware`
`21:07.55`	`b1rkoff`	`annma: not transparency`
`21:07.58`	`vardhman`	`b1rkoff: try going to kde-looks.org`
`21:08.03`	`eean`	`oh, transparency is a hassle`
`21:08.05`	`b1rkoff`	`why its so difficult`
`21:08.13`	`eean`	`you have to configure x`
`21:08.24`	`b1rkoff`	`vardhman: i already.. i just dont know how to cofigure them. L*`
`21:08.28`	`annma`	`transparency is the new new thing`
`21:08.35`	`b1rkoff`	`eean: yeah the xorg.conf right?`
`21:08.39`	`eean`	`yes`
`21:08.46`	`eean`	`there's good instructions on the gentoo wiki site`
`21:08.57`	`eean`	`just google gentoo wiki transparency`
`21:08.59`	`vardhman`	`:)`
`21:09.06`	`vardhman`	`annma: haha`
`21:09.24`	`b1rkoff`	`eean: i already`
`21:09.34`	`Dhraakellian`	`hmm`
`21:09.35`	`vardhman`	`btw any one uses FC3 here?`
`21:09.40`	`eean`	`oh, well what's the problem b1rkoff`
`21:09.47`	`vardhman`	`and does some development?`
`21:09.51`	`Dhraakellian`	`does konqueror have an autoreload function?`
`21:10.18`	`b1rkoff`	`does stuff like transset and xcompmgr comes with baghira?`
`21:10.22`	`Dhraakellian`	`nm`
`21:10.23`	`Dhraakellian`	`found it`
`21:10.24`	`b1rkoff`	`or???`
`21:10.31`	`annma`	`b1rkoff: of course not`
`21:10.32`	`eean`	`err`
`21:10.35`	`eean`	`in that wiki page`
`21:10.40`	`eean`	`it talks about kompmgr`
`21:10.44`	`eean`	`use that`
`21:10.45`	`annma`	`read, b1rkoff`
`21:11.29`	`vardhman`	`how can I change my Country in my IRC user info?`
`21:11.42`	`vardhman`	`of course OT but needed.`
`21:11.47`	`eean`	`vardhman: change what country you use to connect to the Internet :D`
`21:12.03`	`vardhman`	`ops!`
`21:12.14`	`vardhman`	`currently I am connecting from Unknown country :)`
`21:12.24`	`vardhman`	`how do I migrate to known country ?`
`21:12.25`	`eean`	`heh`
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`21:12.35`	`eean`	`your reverse host doesn't work`
`21:12.52`	`eean`	`its your ISP's fault`
`21:12.57`	`vardhman`	`so now so set it up myself?`
`21:13.01`	`eean`	`you can't`
`21:14.20`	`b1rkoff`	`ok`
`21:14.50`	`vardhman`	`some ppl have it set up as internic network?`
`21:14.54`	`b1rkoff`	`i already have transset and xcompmgr... now how to set them up with the themes? whats the connection?`
`21:15.09`	`eean`	`b1rkoff: none`
`21:15.26`	`eean`	`transparency isn't integrated`
`21:15.30`	`eean`	`very much`
`21:15.45`	`eean`	`cloest is kompmg`
`21:15.48`	`vardhman`	`that doesn't sound like a country.`
`21:16.14`	`eean`	`vardhman: its just a "feature" of x-chat to guess the country based on the users hostname. obviously to some confusion. :)`
`21:16.48`	`vardhman`	`eean: ok I got it.`
`21:17.19`	`eean`	`use konversation`
`21:17.30`	`eean`	`the is #kde after all :)`
`21:17.56`	`vardhman`	`I don't think it ever applies reverse DNS. it just uses the domain name part from the hostname always :)`
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`21:18.06`	`b1rkoff`	`eean: so in short how can i configure the themes?`
`21:18.12`	`eean`	`b1rkoff: its in kcontrol`
`21:18.17`	`vardhman`	`eean: will check that`
`21:18.34`	`b1rkoff`	`where should i put the files??`
`21:18.42`	`eean`	`vardhman: um, it knows the hostname based on the reverse DNS that the IRC server does`
`21:19.13`	`vardhman`	`eean: oops. silly me.`
`21:19.24`	`zap`	`how can one configure kde to use another sound device? i tried "override device location" in the control center but it does not work.`
`21:19.26`	`eean`	`b1rkoff: lol, way to have nebulous questions`
`21:19.45`	`zap`	`alsa definitely works (tested with console app.)`
`21:20.06`	`b1rkoff`	`eean: sory?`
`21:20.24`	`PhilRod`	`zap: how do you know it doesn't work? (ie, what behaviour are you seeing, and what behaviour are you expecting?)`
`21:20.45`	`vardhman`	`anyone built a RPM from spec file ?`
`21:21.16`	`PhilRod`	`zap: also, read this:`
`21:21.18`	`PhilRod`	`~artstr`
`21:21.19`	`apt`	`it has been said that artstr is http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/sound.html`
`21:21.28`	`zap`	`PhilRod: when i click on "test sound", kde either hangs or displays a message "unable to open file"`
`21:21.31`	`PhilRod`	`that link ^^^`
`21:21.33`	`vardhman`	`does it do any installation automatically it shows lots of install command in the output`
`21:21.41`	`zap`	`PhilRod: i will`
`21:21.43`	`zap`	`PhilRod: thx`
`21:23.00`	`b1rkoff`	`pls someone helpe me`
`21:24.05`	`eean`	`b1rkoff: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html`
`21:24.21`	`vardhman`	`hey b1rkoff : probably the developers of those theme can guide you better`
`21:24.31`	`gmg9`	`can any1 plz tell me how to add file types in right click on desktop and select "create new" in KDE 3.4`
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`21:24.51`	`vardhman`	`you can look for the comments etc in kde-looks.org or send the developer a mail for some info`
`21:24.52`	`zap`	`PhilRod: artsd -l 0 gives "device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)"`
`21:24.57`	`eean`	`gmg9: you'd have to make a .desktop file I guess. not sure how exactly.`
`21:25.17`	`PhilRod`	`zap: try the -d switch (see artsd -h)`
`21:25.28`	`eean`	`vardhman: you shouldn't email the developer unless you're actually having a problem`
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`21:25.38`	`PhilRod`	`gmg9: might be a servicemenus thing. See:`
`21:25.42`	`PhilRod`	`~servicemenue`
`21:25.43`	`PhilRod`	`~servicemenus`
`21:25.44`	`apt`	`from memory, servicemenus is http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html`
`21:25.58`	`gmg9`	`hmmm`
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`21:26.38`	`PhilRod`	`time for sleep. G'night all`
`21:26.41`	`vardhman`	`eean: if the developer misses a README then may be he should be reminded :)`
`21:26.42`	`gmg9`	`and what about in Gnome 2.8.1 ( i know its not #gnome, but just asking)`
`21:27.00`	`b1rkoff`	`whats the different of kde-style and themes?`
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`21:27.19`	`imaru`	`has anyone installed kde using konstruct?`
`21:27.24`	`eean`	`vardhman: there's no evidence of that`
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`21:32.38`	`gohuma`	`i have a problem when i try to start synaptic. It ask me for the password but it doesn start the application`
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`21:33.05`	`eean`	`gohuma: wrong chan, I forget which distro synaptic is for, but ask them :)`
`21:33.19`	`gohuma`	`from ubuntu or debian`
`21:33.23`	`gmg9`	`gohuma: try running from console and see the debugs`
`21:33.52`	`gohuma`	`due to the fact tahat i need to use sudo it doesn't appear the bugs`
`21:34.06`	`gohuma`	`because it runs well with sudo`
`21:34.20`	`zap`	`using OSS instead of alsa works`
`21:34.36`	`zap`	`hm, is it possible that OSS must be deactivated to make alsa work in kde?`
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`21:34.49`	`eean`	`zap: ah, well ALSA has a weird naming system`
`21:34.54`	`eean`	`hw:0, hw:1`
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`21:35.11`	`gohuma`	`but this is for the sound. i think it's a question about the lack od a program that controles the password`
`21:35.28`	`eean`	`gohuma: ? I was talking to zap. :)`
`21:35.37`	`ritalin`	`how do i install themes i downloaded from kde-look.org?`
`21:35.38`	`zap`	`eean: thanks`
`21:35.41`	`ritalin`	`I have the sources`
`21:35.46`	`zap`	`eean: i will try that`
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`21:37.01`	`zap`	`eean: works perfectly thanks`
`21:37.08`	`eean`	`great`
`21:37.12`	`zap`	`eean: i did not know that alsa uses another naming scheme`
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`21:37.26`	`eean`	`not exactly obvious :)`
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`21:37.53`	`zap`	`eean: are these names present anywhere in the file system?`
`21:37.59`	`wolffc`	`!seen tokoe`
`21:38.01`	`zap`	`eean: they are not in /dev`
`21:38.07`	`eean`	`yea, they aren't really`
`21:38.17`	`eean`	`since ALSA is more complicated`
`21:38.42`	`wolffc`	`hum ... didn't we once have a bot, that reacted on commands like "!seen"?`
`21:38.54`	`zap`	`eean: so they are accessed by ioctl's or something like that?`
`21:39.11`	`eean`	`using the ALSA api, no idea how it actually works`
`21:39.34`	`zap`	`eean: ok, thank you again for your help. did not find this info during my quick web search`
`21:39.56`	`eean`	`yea, I had to ask #gstreamer`
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`21:41.26`	`gohuma`	`i have a problem when i try to start synaptic. It ask me for the password but it doesn start the application`
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`21:41.57`	`zap`	`eean: now i even know gstreamer ... :-)`
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`21:45.32`	`gmg9`	`how to add file types in right click on desktop and select "create new" in KDE 3.4.1`
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`21:49.01`	`gohuma`	`i have a problem when i try to start synaptic. It ask me for the password but it doesn start the application`
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`21:50.48`	`Wheet`	`can someone tell me the name of a great machine stats desktop widget?`
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`21:52.55`	`StevenR`	`Wheet: top, coupled with mbmon works great for me`
`21:53.25`	`eean`	`I never look at the desktop, so I like the kicker "System Monitor" applet`
`21:54.16`	`gmg9`	`gkrellm`
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`21:55.33`	`Dhraakellian`	`gkrellm and the invisible theme`
`21:55.59`	`Dhraakellian`	`http://sp.allalone.org/gallery/screenshots/KDE_20050505_D2_recoloredSVG`
`21:56.20`	`Dhraakellian`	`(that's actually two gkrellm2 instances`
`21:56.21`	`Dhraakellian`	`)`
`21:57.01`	`Dhraakellian`	`(one for my computer, and one connected to the gkrellm daemon on my dad's computer)`
`21:58.08`	`gmg9`	`not bad`
`21:58.33`	`gmg9`	`mine is gkrellm with Aqua-default, just COOL`
`21:58.46`	`gmg9`	`u can try`
`21:58.51`	`gmg9`	`;0`
`21:59.38`	`Dhraakellian`	`that's basicly what my desktop looks like right now`
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`22:37.05`	`EnSo`	`hello`
`22:37.49`	`EnSo`	`doesnt kdm allow user lists in gdm themes?`
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`22:54.39`	`mauricio`	`hi my name actually I installed suse 9.3 in my computer is wanderful`
`22:54.54`	`mauricio`	`hi my name mauricio actually I installed suse 9.3 in my computer is wanderful`
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`23:02.10`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`hmm. i'm part of the kftpgrabber team.. and i have some users bothering me about gcc 4, i just want to verify, gcc4 is still no go, right?`
`23:05.05`	`EnSo`	`TobiasTheCommie: it's been out for a month and it has been already included in fedora core 4`
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`23:06.05`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`yeah`
`23:06.24`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`but i still hear that gcc4 is no go for compiling kde(even though it was done for fedora)`
`23:06.25`	`magnuson`	`are there other good gui file managers available for linux(specifically kde) and if so will removing konqueror break my system?`
`23:06.27`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`so.. i'm puzzled`
`23:07.47`	`EnSo`	`TobiasTheCommie: fc4 kde has been compiled using gcc 4`
`23:08.01`	`EnSo`	`TobiasTheCommie: maybe they added some related patch`
`23:08.33`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`so.. should i still tell the people that they can't compile with gcc4. or is there a version i can suggest that works?`
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`23:09.16`	`EnSo`	`dunno... i still havent tried kftpgrabber on fc4... but im going to do that soon :)`
`23:09.51`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`oki`
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`23:10.10`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`:D`
`23:10.13`	`EnSo`	`whats latest version?`
`23:10.32`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`0.6.0`
`23:10.33`	`EnSo`	`i built an rpm of 0.5 for fc3...`
`23:10.38`	`EnSo`	`ok`
`23:10.43`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`heh. 0.5 was the first i tried`
`23:10.45`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`sooo buggy`
`23:10.48`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`it's a lot better now`
`23:10.59`	`EnSo`	`ok :)`
`23:11.07`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i'm using it 24/7. the main problem right now. is that you can't stop an FXP transfer`
`23:11.15`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`and that FXP transfers don't extrapolate time`
`23:11.19`	`EnSo`	`i found it good though`
`23:11.44`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`so do i, hence, why i help :D`
`23:12.05`	`EnSo`	`sourceforge is soooo slow :(`
`23:12.39`	`liucougar`	`EnSo: what are you doing with sf?`
`23:12.45`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`yeah`
`23:12.46`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`what?`
`23:12.52`	`EnSo`	`im downloading kftpgrabber`
`23:12.57`	`EnSo`	`0.6`
`23:13.06`	`liucougar`	`EnSo: you should choose a better mirror ;)`
`23:13.15`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`EnSo: from SF?`
`23:13.16`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`why?`
`23:13.25`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`why not get the svn version?`
`23:13.46`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`from kde.org`
`23:13.48`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`http://kftpgrabber.sourceforge.net/svn.php`
`23:13.56`	`EnSo`	`isnt the first page that appeared on google :P`
`23:14.07`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`no, it's a new page`
`23:15.00`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`under one month since the change to svn was performed`
`23:15.01`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i think`
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`23:15.11`	`EnSo`	`im getting it`
`23:15.18`	`EnSo`	`TobiasTheCommie: is that 0.6?`
`23:15.29`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`svn.. that is never`
`23:15.30`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`the latest`
`23:15.41`	`EnSo`	`oh ok`
`23:15.44`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`have stuff like "handle timeout on FXP", that is missing from 0.6`
`23:15.58`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`yes, i know i know, i'm saying a lot about FXP.. but most of the problems left are there`
`23:16.15`	`EnSo`	`now my comp is slow :)`
`23:17.03`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`oh, and the menu's(in the bottom, queue and log and stuff), have been reworked since the 0.6`
`23:17.10`	`EnSo`	`ooohhh`
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`23:17.28`	`EnSo`	`This particular compiler version is blacklisted because it is known to miscompile KDE. Please use a newer version, or if that is not yet available, choose an older version.`
`23:17.41`	`EnSo`	`this is what i got from configure script`
`23:17.50`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`:/`
`23:17.51`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`yeah`
`23:18.02`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`in what way is the binaries from gcc4 broken?`
`23:18.11`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`does the program run at all?`
`23:18.19`	`EnSo`	`they arent broken`
`23:18.27`	`EnSo`	`they just arent supported by kde`
`23:18.44`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i never found a page the explain exactly why it was blacklisted`
`23:18.52`	`EnSo`	`i should give a look to some srpm from fedora`
`23:19.01`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`all i got was that the resulting binary was broken. :/`
`23:19.06`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`don't blame me, blame the source`
`23:19.12`	`EnSo`	`maybe i can find a nice patch`
`23:19.23`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`:D`
`23:20.47`	`EnSo`	`just a minute`
`23:20.53`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`so, are you going to try compiling it with gcc4? just for haha's?`
`23:21.01`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`or should i go to sleep now :D`
`23:21.03`	`EnSo`	`??`
`23:21.13`	`EnSo`	`just to give you a patch`
`23:21.18`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`ahh. oki`
`23:21.19`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`guddi`
`23:21.31`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`god damnit`
`23:21.32`	`EnSo`	`if i succeed of course`
`23:21.34`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i'm getting tired`
`23:21.40`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`yeah :)`
`23:21.48`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i'll stay awake for a little while then`
`23:21.50`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`thanks.. i appriciate it`
`23:21.59`	`EnSo`	`np :)`
`23:22.06`	`EnSo`	`got the srpm`
`23:22.45`	`oGALAXYo`	`hmm tv sucks...`
`23:22.51`	`EnSo`	`ummm`
`23:22.55`	`EnSo`	`kdelibs-3.4.0-gcc4-pr20973-workaround.patch`
`23:23.04`	`EnSo`	`nah`
`23:23.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`full of tv phonecall shows that want to you to call them up and do some games.`
`23:23.14`	`EnSo`	`that wouldnt make configure pass`
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`23:25.19`	`OldakQuill`	`Is there any open source software which can stream .RAM files?`
`23:25.29`	`OldakQuill`	`(RealAudio)`
`23:25.33`	`StevenR`	`OldakQuill: mplayer, with the right codecs`
`23:25.41`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`well, the guy here(using mandriva) can't get it to compile at all with gcc 4,`
`23:25.57`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`and the problem... is "error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'KFTPSession' with no types"`
`23:26.00`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`-s`
`23:27.10`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`so.. that is not really a problem with gcc4, but with kftpgrabber using deprecated code`
`23:27.24`	`EnSo`	`maybe...`
`23:27.27`	`EnSo`	`dunno`
`23:27.35`	`EnSo`	`i have to hack configure`
`23:27.42`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`:)`
`23:28.38`	`EnSo`	`done`
`23:28.43`	`EnSo`	`lets compile`
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`23:29.54`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`:D`
`23:30.18`	`EnSo`	`????`
`23:30.23`	`EnSo`	make: *** No rule to make target `../config.status', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
`23:30.33`	`EnSo`	`../config.status?`
`23:30.39`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`did you do "make -f Makefiles.cvs"?`
`23:30.46`	`EnSo`	`yes`
`23:30.52`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`wtf`
`23:31.03`	`EnSo`	`now i do it again`
`23:31.12`	`EnSo`	`i wonder if it has gone crazy`
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`23:31.51`	`EnSo`	`let hack configure again`
`23:32.10`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`yeah.. maybe you broke it .... :/`
`23:32.17`	`EnSo`	`now it works`
`23:32.19`	`EnSo`	`:)`
`23:32.30`	`EnSo`	`compiling`
`23:33.20`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`:D`
`23:34.45`	`EnSo`	`sidebar.cpp: In destructor ‘virtual KFTPWidgets::Sidebar::~Sidebar()’:`
`23:34.45`	`EnSo`	`sidebar.cpp:137: error: operands to ?: have different types`
`23:35.13`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`as i said.. most likely deprecated code`
`23:35.30`	`EnSo`	`src/widgets/sidebar.cpp`
`23:36.10`	`EnSo`	`config->writeEntry("CurrentSidebar", m_currentIndex != -1 ? currentSidebar()->name() : QString::null);`
`23:36.21`	`EnSo`	`this is what's contained in that line`
`23:37.04`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i see nothing wrong with that`
`23:37.15`	`EnSo`	`nor do i`
`23:37.27`	`EnSo`	`lets change it with a simple if`
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`23:37.56`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`if it is just stuff like that.... i can just do it sometime this sunday.`
`23:38.08`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i thought the problem was with the compiled binary.. not just with compiling the code`
`23:39.35`	`EnSo`	`the weird thing is that the following line contains a similar instruction... but i dont get any error from it`
`23:39.39`	`EnSo`	`compiling`
`23:40.45`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`:/`
`23:41.49`	`EnSo`	`??????`
`23:41.56`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`yes?`
`23:42.02`	`EnSo`	`i changed the file but i get the same error..... ????????`
`23:42.10`	`EnSo`	`sidebar.cpp:137: error: operands to ?: have different types`
`23:42.30`	`EnSo`	`maybe it's the precedent line`
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`23:42.51`	`EnSo`	`that's a trivial`
`23:42.54`	`aseigo`	`EnSo: what does currentSidebar()->name() return?`
`23:43.42`	`EnSo`	`aseigo: ask TobiasTheCommie`
`23:43.52`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i would be very much surprised if it didn't return a QString`
`23:44.19`	`aseigo`	`TobiasTheCommie: ha. prepare to be surprised`
`23:44.23`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`ok`
`23:44.59`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`gah`
`23:45.31`	`Alethes`	`aseigo: are you familiar with pipelining in gecko?`
`23:45.33`	`aseigo`	`do i detect a surprsie? ;)`
`23:45.52`	`aseigo`	`Alethes: you mean multiple http requests in parallel? or?`
`23:46.02`	`Alethes`	`yeah, I think that's what it is`
`23:46.10`	`EnSo`	`TobiasTheCommie: sidebar.cpp:137: warning: unused variable ‘config’`
`23:46.21`	`Alethes`	`it's an http 1.1 feature`
`23:46.28`	`Alethes`	`makes a major difference for us dialup people`
`23:46.40`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i have barely touched any of the code.. so i'm not that intimate..`
`23:46.43`	`EnSo`	`error: ‘config’ was not declared in this scope`
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`23:46.46`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`but.. as far as i can see, it is a QString`
`23:46.55`	`EnSo`	`thats weird`
`23:47.01`	`EnSo`	`you're declaring that`
`23:47.08`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`EnSo: maybe cascading from the prior error`
`23:47.26`	`EnSo`	`there are no other errors`
`23:47.34`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`anyways... if the only problem with compiling in gcc 4, is getting the code to conform to the standard.. then i should be able to do it`
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`23:47.49`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i just got the impression that the resulting binary was broken.`
`23:47.59`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`and that the problem wasn't getting it to compile`
`23:48.11`	`Alethes`	`aseigo: how hard would it be to implement pipelining in khtml -- or is it already done and I just don't know about it? :)`
`23:48.27`	`EnSo`	`gcc it broken to me, not your code`
`23:48.29`	`aseigo`	`TobiasTheCommie: 4.0.0 is known to Not Work. 4.0.1 does though`
`23:48.33`	`EnSo`	`gcc is broken to me, not your code`
`23:49.02`	`aseigo`	`Alethes: hrm. i THOUGHT we had pipelining in kio_http .. i seem to recall waldo having done that for 2.2 or 3.0`
`23:49.10`	`aseigo`	`of course, my memory is anything but infallible`
`23:49.15`	`Alethes`	`is there something I need to do to enable it?`
`23:49.16`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`aseigo: oki,thanks`
`23:49.31`	`Alethes`	`I would imagine it's probably disabled by default`
`23:49.41`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`EnSo: this isn't a good way of doing it`
`23:49.53`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`i'll install gcc4, and work on it this sunday`
`23:50.03`	`EnSo`	`ok...`
`23:50.12`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`unless you really want to fight with it`
`23:51.17`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`:D`
`23:51.41`	`EnSo`	`TobiasTheCommie: it worked`
`23:52.05`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`EnSo: what worked? the if instead of ?:`
`23:52.06`	`EnSo`	`but it now contains a file with the same name that has the same problem at the same line`
`23:52.10`	`EnSo`	`yes`
`23:52.15`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`oki`
`23:52.38`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`well, i'll emerge gcc 4, and have both 3 and 4 installed. then i can play with this all sunday`
`23:53.03`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`as long as the resulting binary is usable.. this should be annoying, but not impossible.`
`23:53.07`	`EnSo`	`this source tree is a bit redundant isnt it`
`23:53.32`	`EnSo`	`done`
`23:53.34`	`EnSo`	`compiled`
`23:53.48`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`all of it compiled?`
`23:54.24`	`EnSo`	`yep`
`23:54.31`	`EnSo`	`it's just the if`
`23:54.33`	`EnSo`	`lol`
`23:54.48`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`oki, what gcc version is it?`
`23:54.57`	`EnSo`	`gcc4`
`23:55.20`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`could you give me the print of "-v"`
`23:55.52`	`EnSo`	`Using built-in specs.`
`23:55.52`	`EnSo`	`Target: i386-redhat-linux`
`23:55.52`	`EnSo`	`Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --enable-checking=release --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-libgcj-multifile --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,java,f95,ada --enable-java-awt=gtk --with-java-home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-1.4.2.0/jre --host=i386-redhat-linux`
`23:55.52`	`EnSo`	`Thread model: posix`
`23:55.55`	`EnSo`	`gcc version 4.0.0 20050519 (Red Hat 4.0.0-8)`
`23:56.21`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`thanks`
`23:56.25`	`EnSo`	`np`
`23:56.41`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`hmm`
`23:56.45`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`and he is using 4.0.1`
`23:56.59`	`EnSo`	`who`
`23:57.01`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`can you apply the patch?`
`23:57.20`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`a guy using mandrake.. who is trying to get it to compile`
`23:57.21`	`EnSo`	`sure`
`23:57.24`	`EnSo`	`just a moment`
`23:57.26`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`:)`
`23:57.40`	`EnSo`	`oh shit...`
`23:57.54`	`EnSo`	`i didnt create backup files`
`23:57.55`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`?`
`23:58.05`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`you need too?`
`23:58.07`	`EnSo`	`wait`
`23:59.36`	`EnSo`	`ehmmm what ports does dcc use?`
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`23:59.45`	`TobiasTheCommie`	`can't remember`
`23:59.46`	`EnSo`	`do i send you by dcc?`

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