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`00:03.47`	`ltR^^`	`i downloaded ksmoothdock but it cant move it around.`
`00:03.58`	`ltR^^`	`is it possible to move the bar around?`
`00:04.26`	`grepper`	`alt + left mouse button ?`
`00:05.39`	`ltR^^`	`can i put it verticle?`
`00:05.47`	`mpee`	`shiftless, what's the third option???`
`00:07.00`	`ltR^^`	`GREPPER`
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`00:11.51`	`grepper`	`dunno`
`00:13.09`	`shiftless`	`mpee: being able to drag windows from one desktop to another, while having separate taskbars on each screen, and windows which maximize to one monitor instead of across the whole thing`
`00:13.29`	`shiftless`	`and windows which dont appear right in the middle between screens`
`00:13.48`	`mpee`	`ah ok, you need to tell kwin that you're using xinerma - that should fix the maximizing problem`
`00:14.09`	`shiftless`	`how should i go about doing that?`
`00:14.09`	`mpee`	`you can't have seperate taskbars though, but you can make kicker stretch across both screens`
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`00:14.24`	`shiftless`	`the taskbar aint a big deal, mainly the maximizing`
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`00:15.26`	`mpee`	`shiftless, there's a setting somewhere, stuffed if I can find it ..`
`00:20.49`	`mpee`	`shiftless, it's set in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals - but I can't find the damn UI for it`
`00:20.53`	`mpee`	`you need these:`
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`00:21.05`	`mpee`	`XineramaEnabled=true`
`00:21.06`	`mpee`	`XineramaFullscreenEnabled=true`
`00:21.06`	`mpee`	`XineramaMaximizeEnabled=true`
`00:21.06`	`mpee`	`XineramaMovementEnabled=true`
`00:21.06`	`mpee`	`XineramaPlacementEnabled=true`
`00:23.02`	`shiftless`	`in the kwin config file/`
`00:23.05`	`shiftless`	`?`
`00:25.09`	`shiftless`	`damn i think i know what the deal is. KDE was not compiled with the xinerama use flag (on gentoo)`
`00:25.15`	`shiftless`	`looks like its time to recompile xinerama`
`00:25.17`	`shiftless`	`er, kde`
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`01:00.26`	`jordo23`	`Is there a website for KDE applications?`
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`01:02.00`	`pilaf`	`jordo23: http://www.kde-apps.org`
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`01:05.26`	`jordo23`	`If I had Sarge pre-stable release, do I have to update the apt config files to pull current software packages?`
`01:06.01`	`jordo23`	`Oops, nevermind.`
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`01:50.57`	`annma`	`lol`
`01:51.51`	`Tm_T`	`Dhraakellian: hard to say, try #gnome ;p`
`01:52.09`	`Dhraakellian`	`heh... how masochistic do you think I am?`
`01:52.39`	`Tm_T`	`I know after bondage with you`
`01:52.53`	`Dhraakellian`	`,':-\|`
`01:52.57`	`annma`	`bondake`
`01:53.05`	`Dhraakellian`	`. . .`
`01:53.37`	`Tm_T`	`Dhraakellian and I ahve very special bond with age`
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`01:53.43`	`Tm_T`	`have :p`
`01:53.46`	`AgentDrex`	`hello everyone`
`01:53.50`	`AgentDrex`	`hows it going?`
`01:53.51`	`Tm_T`	`hullo`
`01:53.57`	`Tm_T`	`fine thank you`
`01:54.07`	`annma`	`great thanks`
`01:54.23`	`Dhraakellian`	`which, given my (lack of?) skill in bzflag sometimes, that might be a tad masochistic, but I'm not touching what Tm_T is talking about with a ten foot pole`
`01:54.27`	`Tm_T`	`it's 04:54 and I'm doing amarok icon si very fine`
`01:54.44`	`Tm_T`	`Dhraakellian: yyyaight`
`01:54.56`	`Tm_T`	`hah`
`01:55.02`	`Tm_T`	`AgentDrex: nice realname =)`
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`02:26.00`	`Tm_T`	`oh`
`02:29.19`	`AgentDrex`	`well...so....what makes kde better than gnome?`
`02:30.10`	`Tm_T`	`usability, flexibility, beauty,`
`02:30.17`	`AgentDrex`	`Tm_T: You like that huh? sorry response took so long...smoking`
`02:30.19`	`Tm_T`	`should I continue?`
`02:30.22`	`AgentDrex`	`or was rather`
`02:30.25`	`AgentDrex`	`yes please`
`02:30.42`	`Tm_T`	`nah, compare yourself`
`02:30.55`	`Tm_T`	`try them both and findout`
`02:31.04`	`AgentDrex`	`how can I fine tune it to make it run a little faster? I have a 400mhz k6II with 96 megs ram`
`02:31.09`	`annma`	`wow`
`02:31.18`	`annma`	`either KDE r GNOME will be slow`
`02:31.22`	`AgentDrex`	`I try to watch videos but it is too sluggish with all the overhead`
`02:31.27`	`annma`	`yes`
`02:31.29`	`annma`	`normal`
`02:31.38`	`annma`	`like putting Windows XP on it`
`02:32.01`	`AgentDrex`	`well...when I had 2k on here before I would watch videos I would kill off explorer.exe`
`02:32.18`	`AgentDrex`	`seemed to run a little faster`
`02:33.00`	`AgentDrex`	`so I was thinking I would just run xinit and use that to watch videos and let the ol lady use kde`
`02:33.07`	`AgentDrex`	`im a console guy anyways`
`02:33.56`	`AgentDrex`	`so whats the distro you guys use?`
`02:34.10`	`AgentDrex`	`or shall I just ctcp you guys?`
`02:34.26`	`AgentDrex`	`obviously that can be spoofed`
`02:34.51`	`annma`	`and I use a distro but my KDE is self compiled`
`02:35.39`	`AgentDrex`	`huh?`
`02:35.48`	`annma`	`me?`
`02:35.57`	`AgentDrex`	`you made your own makefile and configure?`
`02:36.00`	`AgentDrex`	`cool`
`02:36.05`	`AgentDrex`	`wished i could do that`
`02:36.07`	`AgentDrex`	`;)`
`02:36.16`	`annma`	`gets`
`02:36.19`	`drbrown`	`anyone know howto install icewm window decorations?????`
`02:37.01`	`AgentDrex`	`shoot...i would be able to tell you but i opted out of installing any other window manager other than kde`
`02:37.13`	`AgentDrex`	`i only have a 4 gig drive and had to be choosy`
`02:37.15`	`drbrown`	`All I have is KDE`
`02:37.47`	`drbrown`	`Does KDE require icewm to install window decorations`
`02:37.56`	`AgentDrex`	`theres probably some icewm directory under /opt/ or /usr/share/`
`02:38.07`	`AgentDrex`	`no`
`02:38.40`	`AgentDrex`	`kde has a directory under /opt/kde/ somewhere`
`02:39.01`	`AgentDrex`	`thats where you would place your decoration files I believe`
`02:39.03`	`drbrown`	`hmmmmmmmmmmm.....`
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`02:39.23`	`AgentDrex`	`is a newb to slackware so .... yeah`
`02:39.30`	`drbrown`	`I was always able to install icewm window decorations on KDE, and now I don't have the luxury`
`02:39.37`	`Tm_T`	`uhm`
`02:39.58`	`Other`	`when click to do a bug report , from is taken the kde and distrib version, or with what command is that known?`
`02:40.01`	`drbrown`	`I switched from sarge to kubuntu`
`02:40.02`	`AgentDrex`	`yeah...ive never tried...ive only had this box up and running but half a week now`
`02:40.16`	`Tm_T`	`drbrown: Kubuntu here o/`
`02:40.47`	`Tm_T`	`haha`
`02:40.48`	`AgentDrex`	`hey use what works for you`
`02:40.55`	`Tm_T`	`yup`
`02:41.06`	`Tm_T`	`I have Sarge and Kubuntu`
`02:41.17`	`AgentDrex`	`sarge?`
`02:41.24`	`Tm_T`	`Debian`
`02:41.29`	`drbrown`	`Tm_T: be honest I liked sarge, but just wanted to take kubuntu out for a spin`
`02:41.32`	`AgentDrex`	`ive heard of kubuntu...kind of like debian right?`
`02:41.40`	`drbrown`	`it is deb`
`02:41.46`	`Tm_T`	`AgentDrex: debian based`
`02:41.46`	`AgentDrex`	`okay`
`02:41.55`	`drbrown`	`sorry deb based`
`02:42.12`	`AgentDrex`	`kind of like knoppix?`
`02:42.19`	`AgentDrex`	`only better`
`02:42.41`	`drbrown`	`they have a live cd, but it is geared more towards hd installs`
`02:42.44`	`AgentDrex`	`i have phlack, gisix, DNA Linux, and slackware 8.0 and now 10.1`
`02:42.45`	`drbrown`	`very pretty`
`02:42.55`	`drbrown`	`that is out of the box`
`02:43.02`	`Tm_T`	`err`
`02:43.18`	`AgentDrex`	`yeah...knoppix will install to hd but its tucked away`
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`02:43.51`	`u_int32_t`	`ladies, any way to have two kdm's on display 0 and 1`
`02:43.54`	`AgentDrex`	`even knoppix states there is no handling of hd install or they did say that...but I found a script buried in the directories that would handle it`
`02:44.07`	`AgentDrex`	`kdm?`
`02:44.13`	`u_int32_t`	`AgentDrex yes`
`02:44.15`	`AgentDrex`	`kazaa device manager ;)`
`02:44.18`	`drbrown`	`never actually installed knoppix`
`02:44.28`	`u_int32_t`	`AgentDrex tgats so funny`
`02:44.33`	`AgentDrex`	`i did....worked on cd...buggy otherwise`
`02:44.53`	`AgentDrex`	`i would like to know that too`
`02:45.25`	`AgentDrex`	`so i can telnet into my box while the ol lady is on it in kde and be able to start up my own session in a diff display`
`02:45.52`	`AgentDrex`	`i dont mean to sound like a wise a55 I apologize u_int32_t`
`02:46.15`	`u_int32_t`	`well i used to do it with gdm by editing some .conf file`
`02:46.22`	`u_int32_t`	`yesterday i got rid of gnome thank god`
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`02:46.25`	`AgentDrex`	`let me look`
`02:46.33`	`u_int32_t`	`AgentDrex you're on irc, being a wise a55 is the norm`
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`02:47.40`	`AgentDrex`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:47.44`	`AgentDrex`	`is that it`
`02:47.46`	`AgentDrex`	`im not sure`
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`02:49.10`	`AgentDrex`	`last line in my conf file is DisplayManager.requestPort: 0 might be able to append another one stating 1`
`02:49.51`	`Tac`	`how do I throw an item in the menu list....`
`02:50.08`	`AgentDrex`	`which menu?`
`02:50.14`	`Tm_T`	`drbrown: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_052.png`
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`02:51.12`	`AgentDrex`	`probably look somewhere in /opt/kde/share perhaps?`
`02:52.03`	`Tac`	`AgentDrex, the main one`
`02:52.11`	`drbrown`	`that's sweet, but I really really want to install this aqua theme`
`02:53.01`	`Tac`	`AgentDrex, there is no /opt/kde`
`02:53.12`	`AgentDrex`	`looks to be an xml file placed in /opt/kde/etc/xdg/menus`
`02:53.23`	`AgentDrex`	`im using slackware`
`02:53.25`	`AgentDrex`	`sorry`
`02:53.35`	`AgentDrex`	`which distro are you using?`
`02:53.52`	`Tac`	`fc4`
`02:54.02`	`AgentDrex`	`the free redhat`
`02:54.04`	`AgentDrex`	`alright`
`02:54.09`	`u_int32_t`	`AgentDrex it dont even matter cuz kscreensaver has switch user`
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`02:55.09`	`AgentDrex`	`i like that quit message`
`02:55.14`	`AgentDrex`	`i lvoe office space`
`02:55.54`	`AgentDrex`	`i do know how to spell by the way`
`02:55.57`	`AgentDrex`	`love'`
`02:55.58`	`Tac`	`AgentDrex, know where it might be?`
`02:56.12`	`AgentDrex`	`i have essential tremor in the fingers`
`02:56.43`	`AgentDrex`	`i'm researching right now...please hold ;)`
`02:57.22`	`Tac`	`ah rightio .. gracias`
`02:58.06`	`AgentDrex`	`try to open a console and run kmenuedit`
`02:58.08`	`AgentDrex`	`?`
`02:59.13`	`AgentDrex`	`Tac: you there?`
`03:00.17`	`AgentDrex`	`it worked on my end que comprende`
`03:00.35`	`Tac`	`rightio .. one sec`
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`03:03.15`	`AgentDrex`	`i'll be afk for a few...i need to go for a smoke break....please dont fire me because of my abrupt rudeness`
`03:11.39`	`AgentDrex`	`well...i spose...i'm going to take off to other channels`
`03:11.49`	`AgentDrex`	`i bid thee all a fond farewell`
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`03:12.57`	`Tac`	`anyone know of a way to get the kpanel into the panel instead of the boring desktop switcher?`
`03:13.32`	`Alethes`	`rewrite the applet?`
`03:13.37`	`Alethes`	`:P`
`03:13.49`	`Tac`	`applet doesnt mean java like i would assume does it..`
`03:14.11`	`Tac`	`i just really cant stand not being able to drag windows around ...`
`03:14.20`	`grepper`	`?`
`03:14.20`	`Tac`	`thats one thing i got really used to with XFCE`
`03:14.22`	`Alethes`	`no`
`03:14.42`	`grepper`	`I can drag windows in the desktop switcher`
`03:14.58`	`Tac`	`how? i cant ....`
`03:15.13`	`grepper`	`is previews enabled ?`
`03:15.33`	`Tac`	`yeah...`
`03:15.39`	`Tac`	`even though its just boxes and theres no icons`
`03:15.54`	`grepper`	`I can drag the little boxes`
`03:16.01`	`Tac`	`i cant :-/`
`03:16.10`	`grepper`	`in HEAD I think there are previews as well`
`03:16.20`	`Tac`	`HEAD ?`
`03:17.00`	`grepper`	`most recent code written`
`03:17.13`	`grepper`	`3.4.89 or whatever it is now`
`03:17.54`	`Tac`	`is there a way for yum to upgrade to that?`
`03:18.16`	`grepper`	`I would strongly doubt it`
`03:18.18`	`Tac`	`someone said they were working on putting kpanel2 into the panel instead of desktop switcher ... that must be incorporated in the version you are running`
`03:18.26`	`grepper`	`you can use something like kdesvn-build`
`03:18.54`	`Tac`	`do we know when the next stable release will be?`
`03:19.03`	`grepper`	`the fall I think`
`03:19.21`	`Tac`	`ouch ... i dunno if i can go that long without that ....`
`03:19.25`	`Tac`	`is what yer running pretty stable?`
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`03:21.20`	`grepper`	`yep, atm`
`03:24.34`	`grepper`	`http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23840`
`03:24.45`	`grepper`	`Tac: ^^`
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`03:25.31`	`jtate`	`Which kde tarball is kwifimanager in?`
`03:25.55`	`grepper`	`kdenetwork`
`03:26.00`	`grepper`	`suprisingly :)`
`03:26.33`	`jtate`	`I looked in there, and didn't see it.`
`03:26.40`	`jtate`	`Thanks grepper.`
`03:27.01`	`Tac`	`grepper, so it has to be compiled then?`
`03:27.15`	`Tac`	`or are there packages somewhere`
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`03:28.59`	`grepper`	`I think its just scripts`
`03:29.14`	`jtate`	`It's a cpp program`
`03:30.23`	`grepper`	`$ file kdesvn-build`
`03:30.23`	`grepper`	`kdesvn-build: perl script text executable`
`03:30.37`	`khasan`	`Hey, I have a question- My autostart folder doesn't work for a certain application. I'm on kde 3.4...`
`03:30.54`	`Tac`	`grepper, whoa... what does that do then?`
`03:30.59`	`grepper`	`jtate: I would assume its default, unless you don't meet the requirements`
`03:31.07`	`Tac`	`will that upgrade my install? or put a new one somewhere else...`
`03:31.08`	`Alethes`	`exe files don't work from autostart :D`
`03:31.14`	`grepper`	`in which case it won't get built`
`03:31.17`	`khasan`	`It works for other applications, and the application starts fine when started from a term.`
`03:31.27`	`grepper`	`Alethes: really ? why not ?`
`03:31.30`	`Alethes`	`hehe`
`03:31.50`	`khasan`	`any ideas?`
`03:31.57`	`grepper`	`wine /path/to/file.exe doesn't work ?`
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`03:32.08`	`Alethes`	`I was being sarcastic`
`03:32.21`	`grepper`	`that's not sarcasm`
`03:32.29`	`grepper`	`that's gentle irony :)`
`03:32.29`	`khasan`	`very funny...`
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`03:32.49`	`grepper`	`khasan: what is the app ?`
`03:32.51`	`jtate`	`grepper: I don't have it. It apparently didn't get packaged.`
`03:32.59`	`khasan`	`it's called ami`
`03:33.11`	`khasan`	`its an application to type in Korean`
`03:33.29`	`grepper`	`make a shell script that runs the command that works in a term ?`
`03:33.45`	`khasan`	`I got it working before, but I updated to 3.4 and switched to VectorLinux. Yes, I did that`
`03:34.22`	`khasan`	`In fact, I added a xgamma change to the shell script, and the xgamma command works, but not ami`
`03:34.39`	`khasan`	`very strange`
`03:35.04`	`grepper`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:35.17`	`khasan`	`how do I do that?`
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`03:35.39`	`grepper`	`>file.log 2>&1 ?`
`03:36.08`	`grepper`	`use -v or whatever , if the program has a verbose option`
`03:37.40`	`khasan`	`I'm confused. I'm not really good at using unix commands, so please tell me what I should type and where I should look, specifically`
`03:37.51`	`grepper`	`ami --help`
`03:37.59`	`grepper`	`see if there is a verbose option`
`03:38.25`	`khasan`	`doesn't look like it`
`03:38.57`	`grepper`	`well, you can try $command > file.log 2>&1`
`03:39.22`	`grepper`	`ami > file.log 2>&1 or whatever the command is you are using in the script`
`03:40.23`	`khasan`	`hmm, the file.log is empty after doing that`
`03:40.55`	`grepper`	`it was sucessful, no ?`
`03:41.07`	`grepper`	`perhaps if it errs it will output something`
`03:41.08`	`khasan`	`I guess so, it didn't complain`
`03:41.30`	`khasan`	`and the program ran....`
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`03:43.49`	`khasan`	`Ok, the deal is that ami _must_ run before any other kde application in order for the Korean input to work. I don't really care about the autostart, is there any other way to make sure that this program is run on kde startup?`
`03:44.24`	`grepper`	`it needs X ?`
`03:44.38`	`khasan`	`yes, I think so`
`03:44.38`	`stian`	`khasan: depends on how you start X I guess? .xsession or something?`
`03:44.50`	`grepper`	`how do you start kde ?`
`03:45.19`	`khasan`	`I have it start before I log in.`
`03:45.19`	`grepper`	`unfortunately if you use kdm ~/.xsession is not used`
`03:45.29`	`khasan`	`I use kdm`
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`03:46.23`	`grepper`	`did you test the script piping to a log 2>&1 ?`
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`03:46.37`	`khasan`	`no, just a sec`
`03:47.16`	`khasan`	`no output`
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`03:47.27`	`grepper`	`that is from autostart ?`
`03:47.34`	`grepper`	`starting kde fresh ?`
`03:47.37`	`grepper`	`that was quick`
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`03:48.03`	`khasan`	`no, I just ran the script from the autostart folder`
`03:48.13`	`lethal_dose`	`hi, in konqueror, when i ctrl+m it hides the menu, how can i save this setting?`
`03:48.40`	`grepper`	`khasan: we have already determined that nothing is produced`
`03:49.09`	`grepper`	`I am wondering if it errs if anything is produced - so you need to replicate the situation it is erroring in`
`03:49.09`	`khasan`	`oh, well last time I ran the appfpplication, this time I ran my script.`
`03:49.22`	`grepper`	`stdout is different from stderr`
`03:49.51`	`khasan`	`ok, so I just add that output redirection thing to my script and log out and in again?`
`03:49.58`	`grepper`	`yep`
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`03:52.48`	`khasan`	`no output`
`03:53.24`	`grepper`	`and it didn't work ?`
`03:53.30`	`khasan`	`nope`
`03:53.41`	`grepper`	`the script is executable ?`
`03:53.46`	`khasan`	`yep`
`03:53.48`	`grepper`	`with a shebang ?`
`03:53.49`	`grepper`	`ok`
`03:54.03`	`khasan`	`the other xgamma command executed`
`03:54.12`	`grepper`	`ok`
`03:54.38`	`grepper`	`dunno, I'm not familiar with the app. Anything in ~/.xsession-errors about it ?`
`03:55.44`	`khasan`	`no`
`03:56.29`	`grepper`	`and the script works if you run it now, not from terminal ?`
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`03:56.41`	`khasan`	`not from terminal?`
`03:56.45`	`grepper`	`yeah`
`03:56.55`	`khasan`	`Ho do I do that?`
`03:58.19`	`grepper`	`r-click ->open ?`
`03:58.40`	`atomkat`	`umm, Canada uses English, not "US English".. so why does it add it as default when one selects Canada?`
`03:58.41`	`khasan`	`new window or new tab ;-)?`
`03:59.32`	`Octane`	`anyone know why is it that when i click a link konqueror opens up a new window? i have the setting to open it in a tab`
`04:00.09`	`atomkat`	`only one country uses "US English" as far as I know`
`04:00.26`	`khasan`	`ah- the ami command does not execute`
`04:00.30`	`lethal_dose`	`any clue about my konqueror's hide menu problem?`
`04:00.42`	`khasan`	`It does when I execute from terminal`
`04:00.52`	`khasan`	`What's the difference?`
`04:00.54`	`atomkat`	`also, we use metric ...`
`04:00.56`	`Alethes`	`the $PATH may not be set`
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`04:01.01`	`Alethes`	`use the full path for ami`
`04:01.25`	`khasan`	`how do I set that? Sorry, I should know this by now`
`04:01.36`	`atomkat`	`and a normal date format`
`04:02.45`	`atomkat`	`who maintains this, it's pathetic`
`04:02.50`	`canllaith`	`atomkat: because you don't have language packs installed?`
`04:02.57`	`khasan`	`the binary file is in /usr/local/bin, and that's in my PATH`
`04:03.02`	`atomkat`	`yes, i do.`
`04:03.10`	`canllaith`	`Then en_GB at least should be a choice`
`04:03.37`	`atomkat`	`i chose Canada. it selected EN US, and french.`
`04:03.37`	`grepper`	`atomkat: because American means "north american" to most non North Americans`
`04:03.51`	`atomkat`	`US not American.`
`04:03.59`	`atomkat`	`US as in USA.`
`04:04.07`	`atomkat`	`as in the country`
`04:04.17`	`atomkat`	`which i didn't choose`
`04:04.18`	`khasan`	`lol`
`04:04.23`	`Alethes`	`isn't canada part of the US?`
`04:04.24`	`Alethes`	`:D`
`04:04.32`	`grepper`	`what program is that ?`
`04:04.47`	`atomkat`	`LOL u r teh fune!`
`04:05.10`	`khasan`	`Alethes: the binary file is in /usr/local/bin, and that's in my PATH`
`04:05.21`	`Alethes`	`but it may not be in the script's path`
`04:05.25`	`atomkat`	`well an idiot made this Canada localeset`
`04:05.29`	`Alethes`	`if the script is not running as you`
`04:05.35`	`khasan`	`how do I set path again?`
`04:05.41`	`canllaith`	`Yes, an idiot made all your KDE software in fact so perhaps you should go and use Gnome and be abusive to them instead.`
`04:05.48`	`atomkat`	`it even defaults to US Legal on my damn printer`
`04:05.54`	`Alethes`	`I would just put the full path in the script, khasan`
`04:06.08`	`Alethes`	`atomkat: welcome to america!`
`04:06.11`	`atomkat`	`canllaith: really? OK.`
`04:06.18`	`khasan`	`ok, I'll try that`
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`04:07.37`	`atomkat`	`ok, so... there is no reason`
`04:07.41`	`u_int32_t`	`hi, now for some reason when i load kscd it says i dont have permission to listen to the cd? i can mount data just fine`
`04:07.58`	`khasan`	`My script now loojs like:`
`04:08.04`	`khasan`	`#!/bin/bash`
`04:08.04`	`khasan`	`xgamma -gamma 1.8`
`04:08.04`	`khasan`	`/usr/local/bin/wmami`
`04:08.16`	`atomkat`	`some kde guy just thought canada uses everything american`
`04:08.25`	`khasan`	`but it still doesn't work`
`04:09.38`	`canllaith`	`If you don't like it don't use it. If you have constructive criticism to make, you can file a bug at bugs.kde.org`
`04:09.40`	`u_int32_t`	`Alethes im offended that you're amused`
`04:09.51`	`Alethes`	`I could care less :D`
`04:10.03`	`atomkat`	`good for you :D :D :D`
`04:10.10`	`khasan`	`any ideas, Alethes or grepper?`
`04:10.20`	`Alethes`	`khasan: running with the whole path still doesn't work??`
`04:10.37`	`khasan`	`did I do this right?`
`04:10.44`	`khasan`	`#!/bin/bash`
`04:10.46`	`khasan`	`xgamma -gamma 1.8`
`04:10.50`	`khasan`	`/usr/local/bin/wmami`
`04:10.54`	`khasan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:11.00`	`khasan`	`That's my script`
`04:11.04`	`Alethes`	`hey, I wonder if it's hanging on xgamma`
`04:11.09`	`Alethes`	`put a & after that xgamma line`
`04:11.18`	`Alethes`	`to make it go in the background or something`
`04:11.26`	`khasan`	`ok`
`04:11.30`	`Alethes`	`I don't know if that'll fix it, 'cause xgamma probably isn't running non-stop`
`04:12.13`	`khasan`	`still nothing`
`04:13.11`	`Alethes`	`try running the app as "/usr/local/bin/wmami" from a terminal`
`04:13.34`	`khasan`	`works just fine`
`04:13.55`	`Alethes`	`ok, run the script from the terminal`
`04:14.02`	`khasan`	`I feel like I'm going crazy`
`04:14.13`	`Alethes`	`you are`
`04:14.18`	`khasan`	`k ;-)`
`04:14.42`	`khasan`	./ami: line 5: syntax error near unexpected token `&'
`04:14.42`	`khasan`	./ami: line 5: `&'
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`04:14.52`	`khasan`	`that's your &`
`04:14.52`	`witten_`	`how do I set the umask with which "run command" programs are run?`
`04:14.56`	`Alethes`	`ok`
`04:15.07`	`Alethes`	`that's not normal`
`04:15.07`	`Alethes`	`show me that line`
`04:15.24`	`khasan`	`wait wait wait`
`04:15.26`	`Alethes`	`ok`
`04:16.00`	`khasan`	`ok sorry, I misunderstood you`
`04:16.13`	`khasan`	`the & goes immediately aget the xgamma command`
`04:16.28`	`khasan`	`I thought you meant somewhere after`
`04:16.32`	`Alethes`	`well, it shouldn't if you need those options`
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`04:16.48`	`khasan`	`ok, it works fine from term`
`04:16.51`	`Alethes`	`try it without the & 'cause I don't know if you need it xgamma anyway`
`04:16.59`	`Alethes`	`take it out and try again from the terminal`
`04:17.18`	`khasan`	`still works`
`04:17.24`	`Alethes`	`ok`
`04:17.46`	`Zalamander`	`what does it indicate in korganizer when there's a penguin head next to the alarm icon in my event box?`
`04:17.47`	`Alethes`	`hey`
`04:17.54`	`Alethes`	`I just thought of something khasan`
`04:17.59`	`khasan`	`ok`
`04:18.06`	`Alethes`	`are you trying to run a shell script in the autostart dir?`
`04:18.20`	`khasan`	`yes.`
`04:18.27`	`Alethes`	`that's not how it works`
`04:18.49`	`u_int32_t`	`hello, for some reason when i load kscd it says i dont have permission to listen to the cd? i can mount data just fine`
`04:18.57`	`Alethes`	`khasan: you need a .desktop file`
`04:19.09`	`khasan`	`ok, but kde or somebody already had an esound script there anyway`
`04:19.23`	`Alethes`	`hmm`
`04:19.39`	`Alethes`	`kde doesn't use esound, so I don't know why that would be there`
`04:19.47`	`khasan`	`me neither...`
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`04:20.09`	`khasan`	`ok tell me about .desktop`
`04:20.56`	`Alethes`	`locate autostart`
`04:21.12`	`Alethes`	`you'll find the dir that has a bunch of .desktop files in it for kde`
`04:21.23`	`khasan`	`yes`
`04:21.37`	`khasan`	`/opt/kde/share/autostart`
`04:21.46`	`Alethes`	`open one of those and edit it as appropriate to run your script`
`04:21.59`	`Alethes`	`save it as ami.desktop or something in your own autostart dir`
`04:22.10`	`Alethes`	`I've never done it, but that's where I'd start`
`04:22.20`	`Alethes`	`maybe one of the people that has a clue could help more in that regard ;)`
`04:22.43`	`grepper`	`nothing wrong with running a script from Autostart`
`04:23.28`	`Alethes`	`ah`
`04:23.31`	`Alethes`	`see what I mean? :)`
`04:23.42`	`grepper`	`still not working ?`
`04:23.56`	`khasan`	`nope, sorry`
`04:24.11`	`grepper`	`#!/bin/bash \ xterm -e sh -c "/usr/local/bin/wmami"`
`04:24.22`	`grepper`	`something like that would run it from a terminal`
`04:24.27`	`grepper`	`since that seems to work :)`
`04:24.46`	`Alethes`	`hehe yuck`
`04:24.54`	`grepper`	`yeah`
`04:25.04`	`grepper`	`it would pop up a term for a split second`
`04:25.23`	`khasan`	`only for a split second?`
`04:25.26`	`grepper`	`it will give you a warm fuzzy feeling as you remember windows 3.1 days`
`04:25.31`	`khasan`	`I could deal with that...`
`04:26.07`	`Alethes`	`you could also try kstart`
`04:27.34`	`khasan`	`ok, weird, the script still works from the term (by the way, the terminal stays open) but not by just opening it.`
`04:27.50`	`khasan`	`kstart?`
`04:28.50`	`grepper`	`and an & then`
`04:29.57`	`khasan`	`but it still only opens from term, so it doesnt help so much`
`04:30.29`	`grepper`	`what error does it give ?`
`04:30.42`	`khasan`	`no error, just doesn't run`
`04:30.56`	`khasan`	`if only I had an error of some kind`
`04:31.30`	`jordo23`	`Anyone have any cool screenshot sites for KDE?`
`04:32.54`	`khasan`	`please tell me about kstart, if you could`
`04:34.02`	`oGALAXYo`	`jordo23: you can look at screenshots on www.kde-look.org`
`04:34.03`	`grepper`	`paste the script you are using to http://rafb.net/paste`
`04:35.03`	`khasan`	`ok`
`04:36.43`	`khasan`	`not much to it...`
`04:38.04`	`grepper`	`http://shots.osdir.com/`
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`04:39.50`	`khasan`	`that's it, I'm going to bed. Furthermore I'm swithing to Windows! That will solve all my problems!`
`04:40.03`	`canllaith`	`Probably, until you get some viruses or spyware :)`
`04:41.10`	`khasan`	`thanks for the effort, I'll probably be back...`
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`05:06.12`	`jordo23`	`Where are icons for kde stored in Debian?`
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`05:19.09`	`jordo23`	`Tm_T: Is there a way to associate an icon with a pdf file and not change the other icon set?`
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`05:19.54`	`Tm_T`	`jordo23: good question`
`05:20.26`	`jordo23`	`Tm_T: I downloaded a cool pdf icon and want to associate it with pdf files, but don't want to change the rest of the icons.`
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`05:32.50`	`josue`	`who look my msj?`
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`05:34.34`	`Tm_T`	`jordo23: have you checked your konqi settings?`
`05:35.03`	`josue`	`ok tell me what i do?`
`05:35.32`	`josue`	`help me please`
`05:36.33`	`Tm_T`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:37.03`	`Tm_T`	`configure konqueror -> file associations`
`05:37.16`	`josue`	`ok i do it`
`05:38.33`	`Zalamander`	`what does it indicate in korganizer when there's a penguin head next to the alarm icon in my event box?`
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`05:40.48`	`josue`	`anybody else to tell me install files into tar.gz`
`05:41.10`	`josue`	`step by step`
`05:41.28`	`josue`	`i new in suse`
`05:44.29`	`grepper`	`josue: you wnat to compile something that is in a tar.gz ?`
`05:45.02`	`josue`	`yes`
`05:45.14`	`grepper`	`you have unpacked it ?`
`05:45.27`	`josue`	`yes i do it`
`05:45.33`	`josue`	`in a folder`
`05:45.40`	`grepper`	`there is a README ?`
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`05:46.01`	`josue`	`yes but i dont understand`
`05:46.23`	`grepper`	`usually ./configure;make;make install`
`05:47.06`	`josue`	`ok i type this command`
`05:47.12`	`josue`	`where?`
`05:47.23`	`grepper`	`in the base dir of the source`
`05:48.20`	`_cat`	`_cat_ The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (#freenode)`
`05:48.21`	`_cat`	`[13:48] [438] whatcanido The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (#freenode)`
`05:48.22`	`josue`	`but i need something aplication?`
`05:48.23`	`_cat`	`?`
`05:48.29`	`_cat`	`what does it mean ?`
`05:48.57`	`grepper`	`it means you need to quit ##linux in order to change your nick`
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`05:51.33`	`chinat`	`#linux Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel`
`05:51.35`	`chinat`	`???`
`05:51.57`	`oGALAXYo`	`are you new to irc ?`
`05:51.59`	`josue`	`i need to copy this files into src folder? grepper?`
`05:52.07`	`chinat`	`no`
`05:52.19`	`chinat`	`some channel have this messege`
`05:52.39`	`grepper`	`chinat: /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER`
`05:53.08`	`grepper`	`its protection against spambots etc`
`05:53.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`chinat: some servers offer a chanserv and nickserv ...`
`05:54.23`	`chinat`	`yes i got access into #linux`
`05:56.05`	`chinat`	`#freenode The channel demigods have stolen your voice ?`
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`05:57.04`	`chinat`	`no messege showed the first time i got into freenode ,but this time......`
`05:57.28`	`oGALAXYo`	`you seem to be new to irc.`
`05:57.47`	`chinat`	`i just never met this situation`
`05:58.00`	`oGALAXYo`	`yeah i know.. because you are new to irc.`
`05:58.15`	`oGALAXYo`	`the channel is obviously moderated as you can see at the mode flags.`
`05:58.23`	`chinat`	`i have been living on irc for 1 yeahs`
`05:58.28`	`chinat`	`years`
`05:58.30`	`chinat`	`year`
`05:59.06`	`oGALAXYo`	`http://www.macurious.com/free/ircbot/agbot/modeflags.htm`
`05:59.12`	`oGALAXYo`	`read this text about mode flags`
`06:00.34`	`chinat`	`ok`
`06:01.16`	`chinat`	`but what shall i do ? i donnt want to read that long reference`
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`06:01.35`	`oGALAXYo`	`that means the channel is moderated..`
`06:01.53`	`oGALAXYo`	`means, only ops and people with voice flags can talk there.. that is.. asking questions and bug the serverops..`
`06:02.14`	`oGALAXYo`	`everyone else can only sit there and listen to their writings but arent able to write on their own.`
`06:02.50`	`chinat`	`if i want to write ,what can i do ?`
`06:02.57`	`oGALAXYo`	`nothing.`
`06:03.04`	`chinat`	`no way ?`
`06:03.11`	`oGALAXYo`	`not in a channel that has +m`
`06:04.24`	`chinat`	`but i was talking with people in that channel 5 min.s ago`
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`06:04.34`	`oGALAXYo`	`chinat: now you dont anymore.`
`06:04.45`	`oGALAXYo`	`chinat: at least not in #freenode irc channel`
`06:04.45`	`chinat`	`can you ?`
`06:05.01`	`oGALAXYo`	`chinat: what channel are you refering too ? the #freenode irc channel is moderated.`
`06:05.27`	`chinat`	`i am in #debian #kde # linux`
`06:05.38`	`oGALAXYo`	`debian, kde and linux are ok`
`06:05.43`	`oGALAXYo`	`you can normally talk there.`
`06:05.45`	`chinat`	`yes ,ok`
`06:05.47`	`oGALAXYo`	`but you cant in #freenode`
`06:05.50`	`chinat`	`always ok`
`06:06.24`	`chinat`	`i 'v never met this shit problem`
`06:06.35`	`oGALAXYo`	`thats no problem..`
`06:06.38`	`oGALAXYo`	`these are rules :)`
`06:07.05`	`oGALAXYo`	`its base of the IRC RFC specification :)`
`06:07.07`	`chinat`	`why i am standing outside the rules ?`
`06:07.46`	`chinat`	`can you get access to #freenode ?`
`06:08.03`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes, i can join the channel..`
`06:08.09`	`oGALAXYo`	`did so 2 times in the past 5 mins.`
`06:08.17`	`oGALAXYo`	`but i cant talk in there.`
`06:08.50`	`chinat`	`hah , you can't talk eitheer`
`06:08.58`	`chinat`	`:p`
`06:09.05`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes thats what i said..`
`06:09.14`	`oGALAXYo`	`thats because the entire CHANNEL is set to +m`
`06:09.31`	`oGALAXYo`	`only ops and voice people can talk in that channel..`
`06:09.38`	`chinat`	`why do they do so ?`
`06:09.44`	`oGALAXYo`	`for someone using IRC for at least 1 year your knowledge in channel mods are quite poor.`
`06:09.57`	`oGALAXYo`	`they do so to avoid people like you asking silly questions like these :)`
`06:10.46`	`oGALAXYo`	`.. and because they can :)`
`06:11.05`	`chinat`	`yes , my questions are silly,i never study how to use irc ,the most command i use is :join!`
`06:11.50`	`oGALAXYo`	`i think its good to stay out of #freenode channel..`
`06:11.59`	`chinat`	`that channel is not talking about thinngs about tec.`
`06:12.30`	`oGALAXYo`	`that channel can talk about what they want.. its mostlikely the IRCOPS channel..`
`06:12.42`	`chinat`	`it is bot a channel about linux tec.`
`06:12.52`	`oGALAXYo`	`they can talk about whatever they want in there..`
`06:13.02`	`oGALAXYo`	`chinat: what i want to make you understand is this..`
`06:13.11`	`chinat`	`...`
`06:13.24`	`chinat`	`yeah , i see`
`06:13.30`	`chinat`	`anything`
`06:13.35`	`chinat`	`if you can image`
`06:13.36`	`oGALAXYo`	`chinat: the #freenode channel belongs to the SERVER OPS .. that is the people who run the entire freenode network.. if they press one button they can shut everything down.`
`06:14.03`	`chinat`	`:O`
`06:14.05`	`oGALAXYo`	`they set the channel to moderate because they want too. no need for the to explain, they probably did so because they get annoyed about all the people talking or bugging them.`
`06:14.27`	`oGALAXYo`	`and its good to not bug them any further because it can easily mean "one button pressed" and you are history..`
`06:14.47`	`oGALAXYo`	`so thats why they set it to moderate so people can actually pay attention to the conversation THEY (the server ops) want to do.`
`06:14.59`	`chinat`	`heh, i see`
`06:15.00`	`oGALAXYo`	`even if its about linux, god and the world or whatever..`
`06:15.18`	`oGALAXYo`	`the other channels such as kde, debian, linux, god and the world, jesus.. is ok for normal conversation..`
`06:15.39`	`chinat`	`i was taking with "lilo" the master of #freenode just now`
`06:15.46`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes`
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`06:15.59`	`oGALAXYo`	`thats ok, most server ops are quite fair people..`
`06:16.34`	`slayerbob`	`ah i see you have not been on other irc networks oGALAXYo :P`
`06:17.02`	`chinat`	`lilo finds out many of my mistakes on speaking standard English`
`06:17.02`	`oGALAXYo`	`slayerbob: i am :) efnet, arcnet, freenode and gimpnet.. and yes.. i know the other side too :)`
`06:17.09`	`slayerbob`	`heh`
`06:17.19`	`oGALAXYo`	`slayerbob: and i dealt with SCORN from efnet too...`
`06:17.43`	`oGALAXYo`	`a former serverop who got all his rights removed because of acting like a nazi there :)`
`06:17.49`	`slayerbob`	`lol`
`06:18.05`	`oGALAXYo`	`.. and still acting like one.. but then he is from texas.. which explains a lot.`
`06:19.23`	`chinat`	`irc.freenode.net is irc.debian.org .yes ?`
`06:21.12`	`oGALAXYo`	`quite possible yes..`
`06:24.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`:)`
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`06:26.20`	`notbadname`	`Hello Everybody`
`06:26.23`	`notbadname`	`Howdy`
`06:26.51`	`notbadname`	`it seems KOffice 1.4 released`
`06:27.03`	`notbadname`	`thats great`
`06:27.21`	`Tm_T`	`yup`
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`06:30.03`	`Tm_T`	`mostly yes I think`
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`07:19.19`	`merc`	`is there a way to make konsole recognize hyuperlinks, similar to the way gnome-console does? so i can click them and they open in a browser?`
`07:19.48`	`merc`	`(ubuntu and kde 3.4.0...konsole 1.5)`
`07:20.42`	`lauri`	`if you run klipper you just need to highlight them (in any application, including konsole) and it'll offer to open them in a browser of your choice`
`07:21.11`	`merc`	`hm, k`
`07:22.20`	`merc`	`cool stuff`
`07:22.22`	`merc`	`thanks`
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`07:34.07`	`f00f`	`whatsup`
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`08:28.08`	`mrose`	`is there a small timer app for kde?`
`08:28.23`	`mrose`	`so I can count how much time I spend on projects`
`08:30.30`	`MichiganFocker`	`is but I cant think of the name`
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`08:33.00`	`mrose`	`ah, ktimer`
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`08:44.06`	`juztin`	`is there a way to change the appearance of the menu button in kde? it's currently a yellow star....i want to change it to something else.`
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`08:53.36`	`aseigo`	`mrose: check out karm`
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`08:54.34`	`aseigo`	`mrose: i use it to keep track of time spent on projects throughout the day.. really nice... you create tasks and even subtasks.. double click to start or stop the timer on a given task`
`08:55.54`	`mrose`	`aseigo: sounds like what I'm looking for - thanks!`
`08:56.00`	`aseigo`	`np`
`08:56.12`	`slayerbob`	`:o`
`08:56.15`	`slayerbob`	`i need one of those too`
`08:57.11`	`aseigo`	`slayerbob: well, have i got a deal for YOU ;)`
`08:57.16`	`slayerbob`	`heh`
`08:57.21`	`slayerbob`	`karm ?`
`08:58.28`	`slayerbob`	`looks like it has only the features i need too :D`
`08:58.34`	`slayerbob`	`ty aseigo :)`
`08:58.53`	`aseigo`	`yeah, the guy who maintains karm uses it pretty heavily so it's one of those really nice "does exactly what one needs" kind of apps`
`08:59.05`	`slayerbob`	`:P`
`08:59.08`	`slayerbob`	`i like those :P`
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`10:00.44`	`Tm_T`	`psi`
`10:00.57`	`titou`	`psi is the best one :]`
`10:01.27`	`Tm_T`	`never used it myself`
`10:01.50`	`titou`	`you should try it :)`
`10:03.12`	`Tm_T`	`I don't use jabber protocol anyway`
`10:03.17`	`Tm_T`	`so no need to try it`
`10:04.02`	`titou`	`ahah ok ^^`
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`10:20.43`	`markey`	`bitlbee is a great IM client`
`10:20.45`	`markey`	`jabber too`
`10:23.29`	`Tm_T`	`irssi&bitlbee`
`10:38.06`	`mrose`	`sure, but I was looking for something for KDE`
`10:41.58`	`Tm_T`	`and bitlbee isn't?`
`10:42.08`	`Tm_T`	`running nicely in Konsole ;)`
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`10:57.53`	`sarah03`	`'ello`
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`12:04.04`	`ryanoe`	`Could someone please help me with a permissions issue that I have run into with my Scanner and CD-RW/DVD devices when trying to access them as a normal user? Currently, I can only access them as "root" because of upgrading from kernel 2.4.20 to 2.6.11`
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`12:37.19`	`ryanoe`	`What makes the /dev/hdb change permissions each time I log out to log back in? It keeps changing its permissions for some reason, what could cause that?`
`12:37.49`	`annma`	`did you look to .xerrors?`
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`12:38.09`	`Ixodes`	`or to init.d's`
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`12:51.33`	`df00z`	`http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94674`
`12:51.36`	`df00z`	`was this ever looked at?`
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`12:56.32`	`canllaith`	`From all of the comments to the bug I'd say that's fairly obvious`
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`12:57.02`	`notbadname`	`Hello Everybody`
`12:57.05`	`notbadname`	`Howdy`
`12:58.10`	`notbadname`	`is there any way i can know what filters koffice 1.4 supports?`
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`13:00.57`	`pinotree`	`notbadname: yes`
`13:01.41`	`pinotree`	`notbadname: http://koffice.org/developer/filters/status.php some are not so updated, though`
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`13:02.31`	`notbadname`	`pinotree: but how without actually installing?`
`13:02.43`	`pinotree`	`erm...`
`13:02.50`	`pinotree`	`read that page, please`
`13:03.02`	`pinotree`	`do you need installing koffice to read an html page? ;)`
`13:03.10`	`notbadname`	`is it applies to koffice 1.4?`
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`13:03.20`	`pinotree`	`should`
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`13:05.32`	`notbadname`	`it seems KOffice need to go long way to reach filter compatiblity Openoffice has`
`13:06.56`	`annma`	`yes, of course, notbadname`
`13:07.07`	`annma`	`think about what KOffice is and what OOo is`
`13:07.15`	`annma`	`not really the same development power`
`13:07.36`	`annma`	`besides KOffice can be something different`
`13:07.40`	`annma`	`as OOo exists`
`13:07.56`	`annma`	`do we want KOffice being a OOo clone?`
`13:12.22`	`lauri`	`there's a whole world of office document processing out there, outside of OOo, and for many companies filters are neither here nor there`
`13:12.59`	`lauri`	`we do almost all document exchange here with pdf's (even with MS Office) and things we're sending to clients or vendors, we don't want them to be editable, all that matters is they can read it`
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`13:13.39`	`lauri`	`the only interchange is within the office, and firing up word (or oo.o) to fire off a fax or whatever is a pain, when something much lighter, would do much better`
`13:13.49`	`lauri`	`anyway, I have to go, see y'all later`
`13:14.35`	`notbadname`	`if KOffice concentrate more on interoperabilty it would nice`
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`13:15.50`	`poncha\|work`	`hi`
`13:16.56`	`poncha\|work`	`what can i do if i lock the screen in kde while the keyboard is not in english?`
`13:16.59`	`notbadname`	`but it may also related to thread support implimention of mono na?`
`13:17.12`	`poncha\|work`	`just now had a problem to unlock my workstation cause i locked it while keyb was in hebrew`
`13:17.26`	`notbadname`	`any fixes in threading went in mono 1.1.8?`
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`13:17.37`	`poncha\|work`	`kscreensaver fails to switch lang`
`13:18.05`	`poncha\|work`	`and i cannot even get to real console (pass prompt catched ctrl-alt-f1 as pass character)`
`13:18.22`	`poncha\|work`	`had to ssh into the box from outside and restart the display manager`
`13:18.43`	`notbadname`	`but it may also related to thread support implimention of mono na?`
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`13:19.26`	`poncha\|work`	`kde ver is 3.4 on debian sid btw`
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`13:24.24`	`drzed`	`if yes how?`
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`13:39.54`	Ringwraith`	`http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=68&art_id=qw1119353581719K555`
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`13:56.37`	`winmutt`	`is there anyway to get korganizer to sync to my nokia?`
`13:57.06`	`winmutt`	`also is there any way to prevent kde for prompting fir passwords if they are rememeberd`
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`14:06.29`	`nojokin`	`hello all`
`14:06.46`	`nojokin`	`im having a small issue hopefully someone knows something about`
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`14:06.56`	`StarScream`	`hi`
`14:06.57`	`Sakui`	`anyone know how I can find out what superkaramba depends on?`
`14:07.11`	`StarScream`	`Sakui: what distro?`
`14:07.16`	`Sakui`	`gentoo`
`14:07.22`	`StarScream`	`sorry no idea`
`14:07.36`	`Sakui`	`something is not updating`
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`14:08.08`	`nojokin`	`i get a kdialog popup every few minutes complaing "eject /dev/sr0" failed, using suse9.2 and kde 3.3`
`14:08.10`	`StarScream`	`Sakui: gentoo does odd packaging with kde...you will probably need to ask in #gentoo`
`14:08.26`	`Sakui`	`k`
`14:08.37`	`Sakui`	`nojokin: some SCSI device`
`14:08.38`	`nojokin`	`if i remove the scsi emulation from my grub config this goes away, but i really want to be able to use my ide burner`
`14:09.11`	`StarScream`	`nojokin: does this happen on boot?`
`14:09.17`	`StarScream`	`nojokin: and whats the device?`
`14:09.22`	`StarScream`	`that is being ejected`
`14:09.28`	`nojokin`	`it complains can't eject /dev/sr0`
`14:09.32`	`StarScream`	`ie. what is /dev/sr0`
`14:09.42`	`StarScream`	`what kinda of device...other than a scsi device`
`14:09.58`	`StarScream`	`as in, mp3 player, usbkey etc..`
`14:10.14`	`nojokin`	`ide burner`
`14:10.29`	`StarScream`	`oh...are you using 2.4 kernel?`
`14:10.33`	`nojokin`	`no 2.6`
`14:10.45`	`StarScream`	`nojokin: then if its ide you don't use scsi emulation`
`14:10.47`	`Sakui`	`is it compiled as a module or built into the kernel`
`14:10.59`	`Sakui`	`?`
`14:10.59`	`nojokin`	`oh really?`
`14:11.05`	`nojokin`	`im new to the 2.6 kernel`
`14:11.16`	`StarScream`	`nojokin: yeh 2.6 doesn't use scsi for ide`
`14:11.20`	`nojokin`	`oh`
`14:11.24`	`nojokin`	`;)`
`14:11.24`	`StarScream`	`it should automagically detect`
`14:11.24`	`Sakui`	`cdrecord has a IDE driver now.`
`14:11.30`	`nojokin`	`i see`
`14:11.37`	`nojokin`	`well that makes things much easier`
`14:11.41`	`nojokin`	`doh!`
`14:12.08`	`nojokin`	`i upgraded my machine from a previous version of suse and basically used the same grub config`
`14:12.33`	`nojokin`	`well thanks for the info i really appeciate it`
`14:12.44`	`nojokin`	`this eject messages spawns every few minutes and steals focus`
`14:12.47`	`nojokin`	`very annoying`
`14:12.49`	`nojokin`	`heh`
`14:13.01`	`nojokin`	`thanks again`
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`14:14.52`	`bEe_`	`hello`
`14:15.07`	`bEe_`	`please help me with kde`
`14:15.31`	`bEe_`	`i've created app.ldelnk to $KDEDIR/share/applnk/Games/`
`14:15.39`	`bEe_`	`but it is not shown in K-menu`
`14:15.52`	`bEe_`	`if i copy that entry to desktop - it is shown`
`14:15.59`	`bEe_`	`what is the problem?`
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`14:24.00`	`pholie`	`hello, does someone know how much RAM does KDE need?`
`14:25.13`	`pholie`	`coz before i installed new RAM, there was always only few megs free, now I added +256RAM and KDE eats more memory resources :(`
`14:25.56`	`mikl`	`Is there a good app for fidgeting with IRda (Infrared) in KDE?`
`14:26.09`	`mart_k`	`pholie: No free ram doesn't mean not enought ram.`
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`14:26.42`	`Zalamander`	`pholie Linux caches items in memory, and works most effeciently when your RAM is almost full`
`14:26.48`	`mart_k`	`pholie: It OS will always take as much memory as available, otherwise the memory whould been wasted.`
`14:27.03`	`Zalamander`	`pholie so however much you have, it will always try to use it, to store things you might come back to`
`14:27.15`	`mart_k`	`pholie: You should worry if your OS decides to swap something.`
`14:27.15`	`pholie`	`ah, ok now i understand it :)`
`14:27.43`	`Zalamander`	`now me, I am ordering more RAM right now, because I've reached a use level where swapping has started to occur too frequently`
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`14:28.24`	`Zalamander`	`what does it indicate in korganizer when there's a penguin head next to the alarm icon in my event box?`
`14:28.29`	`Zalamander`	`anyone know?`
`14:28.44`	`pholie`	`so it is not kde who uses it, only OS takes it and then provide it to apps?`
`14:29.20`	`mart_k`	`phollie: The OS controlles the memory, the apps can ask for memory.`
`14:30.11`	`pholie`	`mart_k ok, thanks for info`
`14:31.01`	`pholie`	`have a nice day`
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`14:51.24`	`ironfroggy`	`I created a bookmark folder in my navbar in konq, and tried to drag a bookmark to it. The entire navbar bookmark panel went white, even if i close and reopen it, and the folder isnt even appearing in the bookmarks menu. whats going on?`
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`14:54.57`	`root`	`türk yok mu burada ?`
`14:56.01`	`root`	`orda kimse yokmu ?`
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`15:40.13`	`morgajelWork`	`how can I run the screen lock from the command line?`
`15:40.23`	`PhilRod`	`kdesktop_lock`
`15:40.27`	`PhilRod`	`or something like that`
`15:40.27`	`morgajelWork`	`aah`
`15:40.33`	`PhilRod`	`oh wait, there's a dcop command for it`
`15:40.36`	`morgajelWork`	`I was looking for xlock or klock`
`15:40.45`	`PhilRod`	`run 'kdcop' and look in kdesktop`
`15:40.53`	`StevenR`	`PhilRod: you're right about kdesktop_lock`
`15:41.52`	`morgajelWork`	`kdesktop_lock --forcelock`
`15:41.53`	`morgajelWork`	`tada`
`15:42.04`	`Sir_HaL`	`i'm trying to find out what backend kde's find utility uses (locate?). can someone tell me? -thanks`
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`15:46.42`	`PhilRod`	`kio_locate uses locate, but kfind presumably either uses 'find' or has its own code to crawl the FS`
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`15:47.02`	`Sir_HaL`	`ok, thx`
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`17:26.30`	`pinotree`	`juk`
`17:26.32`	`mrose`	`I know there is, just forgot the name`
`17:26.40`	`mrose`	`ahh, there you go, thanks!`
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`17:37.25`	`koolniczka`	`hi, anyone ever got message like this from configure?: checking if UIC has KDE plugins available... no; configure: error: you need to install kdelibs first; (i do have kdelibs installed, KDE3.4.1 - Qt3.3.4, Slackware, building Rosegarden)`
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`17:38.54`	`gmg9`	`this is what happening with kdenetwork v3.4.1 in my fc3 box`
`17:39.34`	`gmg9`	`i dont know why, but maybe reinstall will fix the probs`
`17:40.04`	`koolniczka`	`gmg9: answering to me, or some previous question?`
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`17:40.20`	`gmg9`	`to u`
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`17:41.16`	`koolniczka`	`gmg9: thx for the advice, I got that one from google too, but would rather like to know what is haapening behind the scenes ;-)`
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`17:41.40`	`Flendor`	`Good evening! :)`
`17:41.50`	`pinotree`	`good evening, Flendor`
`17:42.48`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Have you set the right --prefix in the ./configure command?`
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`17:43.26`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: no, it appears to pisk the correct one itself (/opt/kde), finds Qt OK as well`
`17:43.32`	`koolniczka`	`*pick`
`17:43.59`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Are the headers also in that prefix?`
`17:44.31`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: lemme check ..`
`17:45.37`	`gmg9`	`now i got this while updating kdeartwork-icon 3.4.1 "http://rafb.net/paste/results/f22cAb65.html"`
`17:45.53`	`gmg9`	`any idea why and how fix this?`
`17:46.06`	`gmg9`	`i really need to fix this`
`17:46.53`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: Do you install it with rpm?`
`17:47.02`	`gmg9`	`yes`
`17:47.23`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: Have you tried the rpm-recovery, as suggested?`
`17:47.25`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: here's what i got from configure: checking for Qt... libraries /usr/lib/qt/lib, headers /usr/lib/qt/include using -mt; and KDE headers are in /opt/kde/include`
`17:48.01`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Does that last dir exist and is not empty?`
`17:48.09`	`koolniczka`	`yes :)`
`17:48.13`	`gmg9`	`and after doing "rpm -q <appsname>" i got this "http://rafb.net/paste/results/9MO5fq24.html"`
`17:48.52`	`gmg9`	`mart_k: command not found`
`17:48.57`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: It is useful anyway to set --prefix, because elsewise the files could be installed in /usr/local.`
`17:49.47`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: I don't know the exact command to recover the rpm database: I have a distribution that isn't based on rpm.`
`17:49.55`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: But it should be easy to field.`
`17:50.10`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: no way, /usr/local is barely used in Slack, all KDE stuf goes to /opt/kde and Qt in /usr/lib/qt`
`17:50.59`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: That's why you have to set a --prefix during ./configure: the default dir for installing apps in /usr/local.`
`17:52.09`	`gmg9`	`mart_k: thanks for yr suggesion`
`17:52.41`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: Try "rpm --rebuilddb" for rebuilding the rpm database.`
`17:52.56`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: np`
`17:53.07`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: yes, but everything is picked fine from configure (all needed dirs are listed and recognised), untill the message above appears`
`17:54.11`	`gmg9`	`got this error "http://rafb.net/paste/results/WD9hVE32.html"`
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`17:55.37`	`jbarnes`	`anyone else have trouble getting their file association changes to 'stick'?`
`17:55.38`	`gmg9`	`mart_k: got this error "http://rafb.net/paste/results/WD9hVE32.html"`
`17:56.20`	`jbarnes`	`I'm running kde 3.4.0 under Fedora devel and I tried to add kpdf to handle pdf files, but it doesn't work, and when I go back into the config dialog after trying it, kpdf is gone from the list`
`17:57.32`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Is the program "uic" in the path?`
`17:58.12`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: /usr/lib/qt/bin/uic`
`17:58.12`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: There could be a lockfile in the way.`
`17:58.43`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Is it in $path? In other words, can you execute it from a shell.`
`17:58.57`	`gmg9`	`mart_k: can u tell me how i fix this`
`17:59.01`	`gmg9`	`and whats the lockfile`
`17:59.37`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: I read somewhere about it when searching for the rebuild-command.`
`18:00.01`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: probably not, good point, gonna dig deeper in that direction`
`18:00.16`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: thx for the tip`
`18:00.49`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: Maybe you can ask better in the channel of your distribution, as I haven't a rpm system.`
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`18:01.24`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: So, it is difficult to say for me: "you have to remove ... file", without nowing what the file actually does.`
`18:02.03`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: np`
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`18:04.14`	`mart_k`	`gmg9: You can search for "rpm" and "lock" for finding some webpages about this.`
`18:04.41`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: back again ;-), configure sez: checking for uic... /usr/lib/qt/bin/uic, so no problem there, any other ideas?`
`18:05.40`	`gmg9`	`ok, thanks`
`18:07.21`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Have you checked the file "config.log" for some additional information?`
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`18:08.36`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: no clues there`
`18:09.44`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: do U have something specific in mind?`
`18:10.15`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: There is a check which failes: if you know that check, you now what failed.`
`18:10.33`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: In config.log, all checks are summarized.`
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`18:11.28`	`koolniczka`	`yes, im aware of that, but no useful information there`
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`18:13.39`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: this is what it states: /usr/lib/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -impl actest.h actest.ui > actest.cpp`
`18:13.59`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: That is (nearly) the same line as I have.`
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`18:14.12`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: That is there in the line after that?`
`18:14.21`	`koolniczka`	`and then :c onfigure:29890: result: no`
`18:14.39`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: end of the show ;-)`
`18:15.46`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: You can try to execute that file by hand, but then you have to know that was in the files actest.ui and actest.cpp.`
`18:16.22`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: The contents of that file is in admin/acinclude.m4.in.`
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`18:19.37`	`Sho_`	`hm. is kpovmodeler still being actively developed?`
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`18:20.12`	`AgentDrex`	`hello all`
`18:20.17`	`AgentDrex`	`hows it going`
`18:20.18`	`AgentDrex`	`?`
`18:20.25`	`rr72`	`is kmweather well knonw?`
`18:20.37`	`rr72`	`?`
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`18:21.23`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: im gonna tweak here and there, but probably be back again, thx for your time`
`18:21.31`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: I am sure searching through the code this way will eventually lead to the correct result,`
`18:21.33`	`rr72`	`Tm_T do u recamend any weather applets?`
`18:21.52`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: But it is faster to search for "UIC has KDE plugins".`
`18:22.14`	`AgentDrex`	`hey kool`
`18:22.18`	`AgentDrex`	`hows it going`
`18:22.28`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: I think with that you find the results more quickly.`
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`18:22.39`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Ok. np.`
`18:22.46`	`koolniczka`	`AgentDrex: baaaad, compiling and crying`
`18:22.53`	`AgentDrex`	`roger that`
`18:22.56`	`rr72`	`does anyone use weather applet?`
`18:23.01`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: thx, im aware of that ;-)`
`18:23.23`	`AgentDrex`	`nada rr72`
`18:23.26`	`AgentDrex`	`sorry :(`
`18:23.30`	`Tm_T`	`rr72: kweather?`
`18:23.37`	`rr72`	`it updates to slow`
`18:23.45`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: The first search result will give a clue.`
`18:24.00`	`rr72`	`last update was a few hours ago for weather`
`18:24.20`	`Tm_T`	`rr72: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kexi_001.jpg ... in upper right corner`
`18:25.28`	`rr72`	`Tm_T nice setup`
`18:25.48`	`rr72`	`kweather hasnt been updated in a few houres tho :(`
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`18:26.51`	`mart_k`	`rr72: Maybe the source isn't updated that ofter?`
`18:27.14`	`rr72`	`thats what i thought`
`18:27.21`	`rr72`	`change it to update quiker`
`18:27.58`	`mart_k`	`rr72: KWeather gets its information from a http-page: maybe that page isn't updated.`
`18:28.03`	`rr72`	`how would i go about cahinging the source?`
`18:28.13`	`rr72`	`which one?`
`18:28.38`	`mart_k`	`rr72: I don't don't there are many sources to choose from:`
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`18:28.56`	`rr72`	`wich page i mean,`
`18:29.08`	`mart_k`	`rr72: You can check the source which is used with a sniffer.`
`18:29.21`	`rr72`	`a what?`
`18:30.42`	`mart_k`	`rr72: It uses http, so if you check which packages are send over the internet, you see which page is uses for getting the information.`
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`18:31.01`	`mart_k`	`rr72: Another option is searching the source code, but I haven't it extracted here.`
`18:31.07`	`rr72`	`ima gonna search web`
`18:31.13`	`Tm_T`	`rr72: the weather in there is parsed from website =)`
`18:31.25`	`rr72`	`Tm_T: what distro u runin?`
`18:31.35`	`Tm_T`	`Kubuntu`
`18:31.43`	`rr72`	`kool`
`18:32.20`	`drzed`	`is it possible to make the application-buttons in the taskbar bigger? if yes how?`
`18:32.38`	`rr72`	`mine are big`
`18:32.53`	`rr72`	`make the taskbar bigger?`
`18:32.56`	`rr72`	`idk`
`18:33.43`	`drzed`	`if i make the task-bar bigger then 2 aer amoung each other`
`18:33.44`	`mart_k`	`rr72: I found the website:`
`18:34.02`	`mart_k`	`rr72: http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/`
`18:34.18`	`drzed`	`but i want a big thaskbar and the programs just beside each other`
`18:34.32`	`drzed`	`is this this possible?`
`18:34.42`	`AgentDrex`	`yeah`
`18:35.15`	`drzed`	`AgentDrex: kool, but how?`
`18:35.20`	`AgentDrex`	`right click on icon and choose move....move them next to each other`
`18:35.36`	`AgentDrex`	`right click on task bar and choose a larger taskbar`
`18:36.05`	`AgentDrex`	`its under size`
`18:36.38`	`drzed`	`hmm, nope, I'll try to explain again ...`
`18:36.49`	`AgentDrex`	`okay :)`
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`18:37.06`	`rr72`	`mart_k~ it doesnt work`
`18:37.08`	`rr72`	`site is down`
`18:37.20`	`drzed`	`if the taskbar size is small, then the task appear right next to each other, ok?`
`18:37.34`	`mart_k`	`rr72: No, but it need something extra: the name of the local airport + ".TXT".`
`18:37.44`	`rr72`	`ooo`
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`18:37.55`	`AgentDrex`	`ok`
`18:38.07`	`mart_k`	`rr72: For example: a dutch airport with the 'name' "EHEH" gets the url http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/EHEH.TXT`
`18:38.24`	`drzed`	`if the size is normal then the task 'buttons' are above each other like: (ascii-art)`
`18:38.28`	`drzed`	`\| kedit \|`
`18:38.37`	`drzed`	`\| kwrite \|`
`18:38.40`	`drzed`	`etc.`
`18:38.50`	`rr72`	`mart_k~ i know how to do it`
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`18:38.53`	`mart_k`	`rr72: You can search for the name that the file "stations.dat", or in "kweatherrc".`
`18:39.03`	`rr72`	`i know what to do`
`18:39.07`	`rr72`	`i already told u`
`18:39.26`	`mart_k`	`rr72: Ok.`
`18:39.28`	`rr72`	`thats not what i meant when i said internet`
`18:39.36`	`rr72`	`i met kweather's site`
`18:39.46`	`AgentDrex`	`did you try expand as required to fit contents?`
`18:39.49`	`drzed`	`http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.2/snapshot14b.png <-- just like in this screenshot`
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`18:40.51`	`drzed`	`above the calendar-task-button ther is die shell-task-button`
`18:40.52`	`mart_k`	`rr72: The website of kweather (kweather.sf.net) works here.`
`18:40.56`	`rr72`	`oh and yeah if u want to contact me mart_k good luck`
`18:40.59`	`rr72`	`ur ignored`
`18:41.03`	`rr72`	`u were trolling`
`18:42.14`	`mart_k`	`rr72: I was just trying to help you.`
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`18:45.21`	`AgentDrex`	`is that screenshot how you want it?`
`18:45.39`	`drzed`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:45.50`	`AgentDrex`	`and you dont want it that way?`
`18:46.47`	`drzed`	`i want a 'normal' sized task bar but these task bar buttons should be bigger so that the appear next to eacher other (like in windwos)`
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`18:48.40`	`AgentDrex`	`best i could do was set task bar to 38px`
`18:49.06`	`AgentDrex`	`anything higher than that squeezes them together`
`18:49.15`	`AgentDrex`	`anything lower may look too small for ya`
`18:49.25`	`AgentDrex`	`other than that I dont know what to tell ya`
`18:50.15`	`drzed`	`ok, thx`
`18:50.30`	`drzed`	`hmm wait ther's another question: :)`
`18:50.42`	`AgentDrex`	`i do have one smart-a55ed comment (like in windows) then use windows...this is a desktop enviroment in linux`
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`18:50.55`	`AgentDrex`	`not trying to be mean...`
`18:51.00`	`AgentDrex`	`but you are using linux`
`18:51.09`	`rr72`	`how many differean`
`18:51.16`	`AgentDrex`	`its not windows...if it were it wouldnt be linux`
`18:51.18`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: got it working, R U interested in the solution?`
`18:51.24`	`rr72`	`*how many weather applets are there?`
`18:51.29`	`drzed`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:51.42`	`AgentDrex`	`okay`
`18:51.50`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Yes, if you found it.`
`18:52.12`	`drzed`	`the verival scroll bar (see red circle) is there for no reason, i have no idea how to switch it back to normal`
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`18:52.42`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: w8 a bit, seemed to be premature joy ;-) better gonna recheck, but I think im on the right track`
`18:53.54`	`AgentDrex`	`with all webpages or just that one?`
`18:54.16`	`drzed`	`do you thing that it is possible so solve this problem without deleting ~/.kde?`
`18:55.50`	`AgentDrex`	`why would you need to delete ~/.kde to fix a problem with konqueror?`
`18:56.20`	`annma`	`drzed: NEVER ever delete .kde`
`18:56.28`	`annma`	`never`
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`18:56.57`	`drzed`	`AgentDrex: beaucse it is relate only to my profile`
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`18:58.10`	`AgentDrex`	`are you sure...it does the same thing on my machine at that page`
`18:58.11`	`annma`	`drzed: at the worse, rename config in .kde/share to config.bak`
`18:58.18`	`AgentDrex`	`i am using konqueror as well...`
`18:58.24`	`annma`	`thenrelog in your account`
`18:58.28`	`AgentDrex`	`are you sure it isnt just the webpage`
`18:58.30`	`annma`	`not there`
`18:58.48`	`annma`	`there is no horizontal scroll bar in Hoare Logic`
`18:59.12`	`annma`	`what kde version are you using?`
`18:59.16`	`drzed`	`3.4.1`
`18:59.20`	`AgentDrex`	`yes i realize that`
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`18:59.54`	`AgentDrex`	`but the page is setup wider than the space the text takes up`
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`19:00.27`	`AgentDrex`	`so it seems as if you should need to scroll over`
`19:01.00`	`AgentDrex`	`im not making sense am I ;)`
`19:01.17`	`annma`	`I resized the page less wide`
`19:01.44`	`drzed`	`nope no matter how whide the windo is this scrollbar is always tehre`
`19:01.48`	`annma`	`I only have a scroolbar when first line is minimum than`
`19:01.50`	`AgentDrex`	`maybe the resolution kde is using in your profile is set smaller than what the page designer had his machine set when he wrote the page?`
`19:01.51`	`annma`	`Hoare logic is a formal system developed by the British computer scientist C. A.`
`19:02.07`	`rr72`	`l8r allllllll`
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`19:03.55`	`AgentDrex`	`what resolution do you have kde running in?`
`19:04.02`	`AgentDrex`	`1024x768?`
`19:04.05`	`AgentDrex`	`800x600`
`19:04.05`	`drzed`	`1400x1200`
`19:04.27`	`drzed`	`(laptop lcd)`
`19:04.30`	`AgentDrex`	`well...i have no clue then...it does that with every page...even google?`
`19:04.50`	`drzed`	`just some pages, not all`
`19:05.42`	`annma`	`1400x1200?`
`19:05.43`	`annma`	`wow`
`19:05.44`	`AgentDrex`	`its hard to design pages that will look and behave the same way in all resolutions...thats all i can say`
`19:06.49`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: well, it seems like it is compiling, still here? ;-)`
`19:07.25`	`drzed`	`annma: to be all little bit more percise it is 1400x1050 :)`
`19:07.34`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: If it is compiling, the configure troubles are over:)`
`19:07.48`	`annma`	`drzed: so that happens only with 1 user?`
`19:07.58`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: What was the solution?`
`19:08.15`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: the problem was the bloody simple case-mismatch in admin/acinclude.m4.in`
`19:08.42`	`koolniczka`	`there is a test like: grep klineedt, should be KLineEdit instead`
`19:08.58`	`koolniczka`	`same for the ./configure script`
`19:09.23`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: The ./configure script is generated out of acinclude.m4.in, AFAIK.`
`19:09.51`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: yes ;) it is`
`19:10.43`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: anyway, thanx for your help, I realy appreciate`
`19:11.04`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: It is strage that such error occures in a stable branch.`
`19:11.15`	`annma`	`what error?`
`19:11.20`	`annma`	`a compile error?`
`19:11.23`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: np`
`19:11.26`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: stable branch?`
`19:11.44`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Aren't you making it from the stable branch?`
`19:11.57`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: A configure error.`
`19:12.13`	`koolniczka`	`well, it's rosegarden 1.0, should be stable ;-)`
`19:12.14`	`mart_k`	`annma: A configure error.`
`19:12.15`	`annma`	`configure error: you have something missing in your system then`
`19:12.31`	`koolniczka`	`anma: no I havent ;-)`
`19:12.49`	`annma`	`what error then?`
`19:12.49`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: I mean the kde-sources that you used.`
`19:13.26`	`koolniczka`	`it's not a problem of the KDE sources, its a problem of misapropriated autoconf`
`19:13.51`	`koolniczka`	`it makes a test cpp sourcem, which is correct`
`19:14.03`	`koolniczka`	`then tests the cpp for string klineedit`
`19:14.19`	`koolniczka`	`wich isn't there bcause its KLineEdit`
`19:14.27`	`koolniczka`	`simple as that`
`19:14.40`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: What did you try to compile?`
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`19:14.54`	`koolniczka`	`no package for slackware`
`19:14.56`	`annma`	`koolniczka: ?`
`19:15.01`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Well, simple if you know it...`
`19:15.17`	`annma`	`that's not a configure error`
`19:15.46`	`koolniczka`	`sry, nisread , : was compiling Rossegarden 1.x on Slackware`
`19:16.10`	`koolniczka`	`annma: why not?`
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`19:17.41`	`mart_k`	`koolniczka: Ok: I don't know that program, so I assumed is was a name for a Slackware-version.`
`19:17.44`	`annma`	`I would need the real error to tell you what is wrong`
`19:18.07`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: its a sound editor`
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`19:18.17`	`annma`	`koolniczka: did you paste it in a paste bin?`
`19:18.36`	`mart_k`	`annma: The error was "checking if UIC has KDE plugins...", but it is already solved, as far as I understand.`
`19:18.55`	`annma`	`so he has no error anymore?`
`19:19.07`	`koolniczka`	`mart_k: yessir ;-) annma: nosir ;-)`
`19:19.22`	`koolniczka`	`rosegarden is this http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/`
`19:19.26`	`oGALAXYo`	`koolniczka: that means annma: nomaam :)`
`19:19.34`	`annma`	`koolniczka: so where is the errror?`
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`19:20.20`	`gmoque`	`hello, I have a question, I downloaded kradio, my language is spanish, the problem is that the caracters like �, �, �, � etc appear as two squares any hint? (slack 10.1, kde 3.4.1, radio-0.3.0`
`19:20.46`	`annma`	`is it only I kradio?`
`19:20.51`	`annma`	`is it only in kradio?`
`19:20.55`	`gmoque`	`yes`
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`19:21.12`	`annma`	`see if kradio has a font setting`
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`19:21.32`	`pinotree`	`or perhaps its spanish translation was badly encoded`
`19:21.46`	`drzed`	`annma: yes only my user profile seems to be concerned by this`
`19:21.57`	`koolniczka`	`annma: well in ./admin/tacinclude.m4.in there is a test constructed, it tests the usability of /usr/lib/qt/bin/uic, it makes a testfile actest.cpp and test it for a presence of the string "klineedit" (grep klineedit), but the string in the file is KLineEdit`
`19:22.01`	`annma`	`drzed: log out of kde`
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`19:22.12`	`annma`	`back up .kde/share/config to config.bak`
`19:22.13`	`Cerulean`	`What macro do I use to check KDE version in a source file?`
`19:22.16`	`annma`	`log back in`
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`19:22.40`	`annma`	`Cerulean: you mean for in code? with a ifdef?`
`19:22.44`	`Cerulean`	`annma: yeah`
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`19:22.56`	`annma`	`check kdeversion class`
`19:23.03`	`Cerulean`	`annma: ta`
`19:23.11`	`mart_k`	`annma: I think you missed something: koolniczka had that problem, I tried to solved it, but that failed. After that koolniczka found it out hisself, and told it here to me.`
`19:23.16`	`pinotree`	`Cerulean: if #KDE_S_VERSION( 3, 3, 9 )`
`19:23.26`	`znoG`	`hi guys, i'm running KDE 3.2.2 (as it comes with fedora core 2) and I'm trying to change its keyboard layout. How do I add more? I tried the kbbswitch but it only lists the current keyboard, doesn't let me add a new one.`
`19:23.28`	`pinotree`	`Cerulean: before #include <kdeversion.h>`
`19:23.39`	`Cerulean`	`pinotree: before?`
`19:23.47`	`Cerulean`	`pinotree: that what is the #include needed for?`
`19:23.51`	`Cerulean`	`s/that/then`
`19:24.17`	`pinotree`	`Cerulean: the KDE_IS_VERSION macro is in the file kdeversion.h`
`19:24.18`	`gmoque`	`annma: It's has font dialog, but if change it font doesn't change`
`19:24.19`	`Talnakh`	`Hi all. i am building a station with KDE with limited features, please suggest how i could minimise impact of KDE on the system. the station has 128 ram and 750mhz Athlon. i use debian.`
`19:24.43`	`Cerulean`	`pinotree: Yeah, so why would I use that macro before I included kdeversion.h?`
`19:24.53`	`Cerulean`	`heh`
`19:24.55`	`gmoque`	`pinotree: Do you know how to change encoding??`
`19:25.10`	`pinotree`	`Cerulean: before the .h, then the usage ;)`
`19:25.14`	`annma`	`pinotree: right, I was checking`
`19:25.27`	`Cerulean`	`pinotree: yeh`
`19:25.41`	`pinotree`	`gmoque: you can't, it's "written" in the translation`
`19:25.46`	`pinotree`	`or better`
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`19:26.05`	`rr73`	`how do i make gkrell load when i login into kde?`
`19:26.30`	`annma`	`Talnakh: minimize the impact of KDE? you can install only what you need`
`19:26.42`	`annma`	`but kde is a desktop enrionment`
`19:26.46`	`pinotree`	`rr73: a) make to have the session saving active b) leave gkrellm open when you logout`
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`19:26.50`	`annma`	`not only a windowe manager`
`19:26.58`	`rr73`	`ty`
`19:27.00`	`gmoque`	`pinotree: Is anything possible to do??`
`19:27.13`	`pinotree`	`gmoque: yes`
`19:27.44`	`gmoque`	`pinotree: what?`
`19:28.03`	`pinotree`	`do you have the gettext tools installed=`
`19:28.04`	`pinotree`	`?`
`19:28.15`	`koolniczka`	`well, thx to mart_k & annma and bye to everyone`
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`19:28.22`	`drzed`	`annma: ok now the problem is gone`
`19:28.30`	`annma`	`drzed: :)`
`19:28.32`	`annma`	`cool`
`19:28.37`	`drzed`	`but all of my settings with it :/`
`19:28.40`	`gmoque`	`pinotree: yes I have it`
`19:28.42`	`annma`	`you lost all your other settings, right`
`19:28.47`	`pinotree`	`Cerulean: does it works?`
`19:28.56`	`annma`	`drzed: can't you reset them?`
`19:29.01`	`Cerulean`	`pinotree: Sure does. And I just realised I asked in #kde instead of #kde-devel :S`
`19:29.11`	`pinotree`	`Cerulean: :)`
`19:29.19`	`Cerulean`	`pinotree: thanks`
`19:29.27`	`pinotree`	`np`
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`19:29.57`	`drzed`	`annma: hmm what dow you mean by reset? just doing all of my setup again?`
`19:30.01`	`pinotree`	`gmoque: how is that app called?`
`19:30.28`	`annma`	`drzed: what settings for example do you want to keep?`
`19:30.50`	`gmoque`	`pinotree: kradio`
`19:31.00`	`pinotree`	`gmoque: and you are spanish, right?`
`19:31.12`	`annma`	`drzed: try to get .kde/share/config back and rename konquerorrc to konquerorrc.bak`
`19:31.20`	`gmoque`	`pinotree: mexican, but I speak spanish`
`19:31.32`	`pinotree`	`so your language is spanish`
`19:31.39`	`gmoque`	`pinotree: yes`
`19:31.43`	`pinotree`	`ok`
`19:31.52`	`pinotree`	`which kradio`
`19:32.06`	`gmoque`	`pinotree: kradio-0.3.0-snapshot-2004-02-28-gcc3.4`
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`19:33.41`	`drzed`	`i was hoping that ther would be a not so tedious way to do this ...`
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`19:35.13`	`drzed`	`subl $532,EAX`
`19:35.13`	`drzed`	`ups`
`19:35.13`	`markey`	`heh`
`19:35.13`	`markey`	`asm hacker`
`19:36.39`	`drzed`	`yes kind of - just playing arround with the stack`
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`19:38.06`	`drzed`	`annma: ok, good hint it worked, ill try to merge konqerorrc with konquerorrc-old with kompare or so kdiff3`
`19:38.08`	`pippijn`	`hi all, is KDE completely open source?`
`19:38.17`	`pippijn`	`100%?`
`19:39.14`	`annma`	`what do you mean?`
`19:39.19`	`annma`	`pippijn: explain`
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`19:40.11`	`pippijn`	`I mean is the whole KDE open source i.e. are there no pieces of prebuilt binary in the kde source packages?`
`19:40.22`	`pippijn`	`maybe Qt?`
`19:40.38`	`drzed`	`pippijn: qt ist gpl'ed`
`19:40.40`	`annma`	`look at kde code`
`19:40.44`	`drzed`	`see faq`
`19:40.46`	`annma`	`and look at qt code`
`19:40.50`	`pippijn`	`well`
`19:40.58`	`pippijn`	`both kde and qt code are quite big`
`19:41.05`	`annma`	`look around`
`19:41.09`	`annma`	`google`
`19:41.19`	`pippijn`	`I did`
`19:41.32`	`annma`	`what about trolltech website?`
`19:42.18`	`annma`	`I guess you did not look very far`
`19:42.41`	`drzed`	`btw.: how many lines of ~ code does the whole kde package have?`
`19:42.44`	`pippijn`	`"[...] FreeBSD, KDE, [...] their closed source components"`
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`19:44.57`	`annma`	`pippijn: ??? where is that from?`
`19:45.15`	`pippijn`	`from some interview I was reading on osnews.com`
`19:45.19`	`annma`	`lol`
`19:45.29`	`annma`	`you can find anthing here and its contrary`
`19:45.38`	`annma`	`besides, why do you care?`
`19:46.12`	`annma`	`I can make a webpage saying: pippijn believes in Satan`
`19:46.18`	`pippijn`	`^^`
`19:46.26`	`pippijn`	`true`
`19:46.34`	`annma`	`so what is your issue?`
`19:46.35`	`pippijn`	`You can write closed source applications for KDE - but you must aquire a Qt license from Trolltech to do so.`
`19:46.43`	`pippijn`	`I don't think KDE has closed source parts`
`19:46.52`	`annma`	`so what is your problem?`
`19:46.55`	`pippijn`	`as I don't think KDE has purchased a Qt license`
`19:46.58`	`pippijn`	`not sure`
`19:46.59`	`drzed`	`thx annma`
`19:46.59`	`pippijn`	`well`
`19:47.03`	`pippijn`	`my problem is none`
`19:47.05`	`annma`	`ok`
`19:47.07`	`pippijn`	`I just wondered`
`19:47.14`	`pippijn`	`as I read that article`
`19:47.16`	`annma`	`KDE is Free Software for that matter`
`19:47.35`	`pippijn`	`yeah`
`19:47.38`	`annma`	`Free as the Gnu licence says it is`
`19:47.47`	`annma`	`so have a bit of reading here`
`19:47.48`	`pippijn`	`I read the license`
`19:47.55`	`annma`	`and get any KDE source file`
`19:47.59`	`annma`	`see the top`
`19:48.02`	`pippijn`	`I have the sources here`
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`19:48.22`	`annma`	`if you have all the sources it's all free`
`19:48.39`	`annma`	`show me a bit of kde that you don't have the source for`
`19:48.42`	`oGALAXYo`	`but you can pay me anyways :)`
`19:48.47`	`pippijn`	`;)`
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`19:48.55`	`annma`	`Free is not about money`
`19:49.05`	`pippijn`	`I know... I read the GPL`
`19:49.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse`
`19:49.12`	`oGALAXYo`	`:)`
`19:49.13`	`AgentDrex`	`well...i spose...i should go away...im not feeling all that hot`
`19:49.14`	`AgentDrex`	`:(`
`19:49.17`	`annma`	`pippijn: and more: I (myself) will represent KDE at a Stallman event next week`
`19:49.33`	`annma`	`pippijn: do you think that could happen if KDE was NOT free?`
`19:49.41`	`zy7dcqa`	`oi how do i clear the autocomplete history on konq?`
`19:49.44`	`pippijn`	`no :)`
`19:49.47`	`pippijn`	`but that's cool`
`19:49.48`	`oGALAXYo`	`annma: will that bearded womanizer be around at that event ?`
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`19:50.00`	`annma`	`pippijn: so mail me any concern so I can ask richard myself`
`19:50.14`	`annma`	`oGALAXYo: who?`
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`19:50.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`RMS`
`19:50.24`	`drzed`	`zy7dcqa: right lick on addres-bar an click clear history`
`19:50.43`	`zy7dcqa`	`i just had a close call with it`
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`19:50.59`	`annma`	`oGALAXYo: of course!`
`19:51.11`	`zy7dcqa`	`nah that doesnt do it`
`19:51.25`	`oGALAXYo`	`zy7dcqa: do you want to disable it ?`
`19:51.29`	`annma`	`pippijn: so no kidding, if you have a concern I'll ask Richard`
`19:51.30`	`drzed`	`but iirc in kde. 3.4.1 there is a setting in kcontrol to delete all personal stuff`
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`19:51.51`	`zy7dcqa`	`just clear it`
`19:51.51`	`annma`	`pippijn: this is a dt news by the way, you can check`
`19:51.54`	`pippijn`	`I have no concern I already believed that KDE was open sourced`
`19:51.55`	`pippijn`	`but`
`19:52.01`	`annma`	`Free Software`
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`19:52.09`	`annma`	`kde is Free Software`
`19:52.12`	`annma`	`get that?`
`19:52.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`and its open source`
`19:52.49`	`pippijn`	`I read that article and some people obviously do have faith in the truth of these articles so I wanted to confirm my belief.`
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`19:52.58`	`annma`	`url?`
`19:53.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`those people are BS and FEAR spreaders.`
`19:53.14`	`pippijn`	`http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10951`
`19:53.15`	`annma`	`pippijn: URL?`
`19:53.17`	`pippijn`	`somewhere in there`
`19:53.20`	`pippijn`	`let me see`
`19:53.22`	`oGALAXYo`	`haha osnews :)`
`19:53.36`	`annma`	`someone said eugenia resigned`
`19:53.46`	`annma`	`oGALAXYo: didn't you say that?`
`19:53.51`	`pippijn`	`annma: on the bottom of page 2`
`19:53.57`	`oGALAXYo`	`pippijn: osnews is PRO gnome reporting site... all people reporting there have an own interest to defamate KDE in the public..`
`19:54.04`	`pippijn`	`oh`
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`19:54.08`	`gioeleb`	`hi`
`19:54.11`	`oGALAXYo`	`annma: yes she resigned`
`19:54.23`	`annma`	`yet the article is dated today`
`19:54.39`	`oGALAXYo`	`"http://slashdot.org/~Eugenia Loli/journal"`
`19:54.46`	`oGALAXYo`	`annma: read her blog`
`19:54.55`	`oGALAXYo`	`http://slashdot.org/~Eugenia Loli/journal/109712`
`19:54.58`	`pippijn`	`it is extremely stupid of people to defamate as you called it OSS projects`
`19:55.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`pippijn: its politics..`
`19:55.12`	`annma`	`pippijn: I am trying to find the relevant lines`
`19:55.16`	`annma`	`but I can't`
`19:55.39`	`pippijn`	`ncluding Mach, BSD, FreeBSD, KDE, FSF's tool chain, and Python, not to mention their closed source components`
`19:55.55`	`annma`	`pippijn: are you english?`
`19:55.58`	`oGALAXYo`	`pippijn: kde is fully open source.`
`19:55.58`	`pippijn`	`no`
`19:56.06`	`annma`	`pippijn: then don't read english`
`19:56.07`	`pippijn`	`I am dutch`
`19:56.09`	`oGALAXYo`	`not one bit of KDE is closed`
`19:56.12`	`annma`	`you don't understand it`
`19:56.17`	`pippijn`	`O.o`
`19:56.24`	`pippijn`	`ok`
`19:56.28`	`pippijn`	`then what does it mean?`
`19:56.30`	`annma`	`oGALAXYo: the article does not say KDE has closed source component`
`19:56.40`	`oGALAXYo`	`annma: i dont read osnews.com :)`
`19:56.42`	`annma`	`pippijn: MacOsX has`
`19:56.53`	`pippijn`	`ah`
`19:56.55`	`annma`	`pippijn: just read Dutch and stick with that`
`19:56.56`	`pippijn`	`I see indeed`
`19:56.57`	`pippijn`	`you are right`
`19:56.59`	`gioeleb`	`kde 3.5 is done in svn trunk or in a branch?`
`19:57.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`trunk`
`19:57.12`	`annma`	`don't troll about such things like osnews anyway`
`19:57.32`	`pippijn`	`annma: can you tell me what you mean by trolling here?`
`19:57.36`	`annma`	`pippijn: if you need this webpage to make your opinion, this is bad`
`19:57.39`	`gioeleb`	`thanks`
`19:57.44`	`pippijn`	`annma: I don't`
`19:57.54`	`oGALAXYo`	`pippijn: osnews.com is known to do bad research...`
`19:58.03`	`pippijn`	`didn't you listen to me? I said my opinion was that KDE _is_ OSS`
`19:58.04`	`annma`	`then you should have posted a comment in osnews`
`19:58.07`	`oGALAXYo`	`pippijn: and they are known for presenting highly offending and inflamatory crap.`
`19:58.12`	`pippijn`	`but someone linked me to that article`
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`19:58.26`	`annma`	`and #kde is for kde problems, not osnews problems`
`19:58.37`	`oGALAXYo`	`pippijn: are you here to troll ? i mean we told you many times now its open source..`
`19:58.45`	`oGALAXYo`	`pippijn: do you need a handsigned papersheet or something ?`
`19:58.46`	`pippijn`	`I simply wanted to see my own opinion confirmed`
`19:58.58`	`oGALAXYo`	`yeah and how many times we need to repeat ?`
`19:59.04`	`pippijn`	`none`
`19:59.51`	`pippijn`	`I didn't ask for more than once`
`19:59.55`	`pippijn`	`I asked once`
`20:00.01`	`pippijn`	`you answered many times`
`20:00.15`	`oGALAXYo`	`http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/mythTopic.php?topic=10`
`20:00.23`	`pippijn`	`then you asked me where I got it from, then you repeated again that KDE is open source`
`20:00.26`	`pippijn`	`I asked once.`
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`20:03.47`	`pippijn`	`anyways, I have now explained to the person who linked me there how it is`
`20:04.17`	`oGALAXYo`	`let me guess that person is a pro gnome user.`
`20:04.27`	`pippijn`	`I don't know`
`20:04.30`	`pippijn`	`I can ask`
`20:04.32`	`oGALAXYo`	`but i do`
`20:04.38`	`annma`	`we do`
`20:04.38`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes ask him if he uses gnome`
`20:05.01`	`pippijn`	`he says if he uses a DE then it is gnome`
`20:05.08`	`annma`	`and he does not understand english as well`
`20:05.14`	`pippijn`	`;)`
`20:05.15`	`oGALAXYo`	`see, he is a pro gnome user.`
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`20:05.22`	`pippijn`	`or xfce`
`20:05.27`	`oGALAXYo`	`spreading the usual shit spread by gnomers only to defamate kde.`
`20:05.30`	`pippijn`	`(he added that)`
`20:05.31`	`annma`	`and a troll`
`20:05.45`	`oGALAXYo`	`pippijn: gnome is highly broken, it has a totally broken framework and architecture..`
`20:05.49`	`pippijn`	`oGALAXYo: can I go against this spread?`
`20:05.50`	`annma`	`you should both use a translator, pippijn`
`20:06.02`	`annma`	`theobroma: hi`
`20:06.04`	`pippijn`	`annma: I misunderstood 1 sentence...`
`20:06.09`	`oGALAXYo`	`pippijn: and i tell you this as a former gnome foundation member and 6 years contributor to gnome.`
`20:06.26`	`annma`	`theobroma: what's up with the icons marathon?`
`20:06.38`	`johnny69`	`oGALAXYo: may I ask why you quit that? (being a member...contrib'....etc)`
`20:07.03`	`pippijn`	`myself, I don't like GTK as programming toolkit but I don't know if that is the same as the gnome framework`
`20:07.18`	`oGALAXYo`	`johnny69: yes you may, but i wont stop.`
`20:07.28`	`oGALAXYo`	`johnny69: open source also includes free speach..`
`20:07.35`	`oGALAXYo`	`or do i need to ask you for permission ?`
`20:07.41`	`oGALAXYo`	`gnome is broken`
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`20:09.14`	`johnny69`	`oGALAXYo: I've never used it...but I assume that is why you backed away from te Gnome crowd?`
`20:09.18`	`johnny69`	`te = the`
`20:09.59`	`pippijn`	`I don't understand, annma, why you are trying so hard to call me a troll and unable to read english just because that person who linked me (who is from the USA) misunderstood that sentence and I did not double check it?`
`20:10.14`	`annma`	`well I find that a bit easy`
`20:10.47`	`pippijn`	`you do...`
`20:10.50`	`oGALAXYo`	`johnny69: to say the truth i run a double system here based upon GNOME from CVS and KDE from SVN, i base my facts on long years of experience and somehow good knowledge in development and can differ between both architectures. there are good aspects in kde and good askpects in gnome.. but the overall experience in gnome is bad because the things are quite unpolished, half implemented or left half. this makes the desktop a bit frustrating and the c`
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`20:11.52`	`beters`	`hey, newbie needs help, whats the easiest way to update kde with suse 9.0?`
`20:11.54`	`pippijn`	`annma: are you willing to enlighten me on this?`
`20:12.01`	`aseigo`	`pippijn: yes, it pretty much is the same =)`
`20:12.16`	`oGALAXYo`	`johnny69: i keep supporting GNOME still (sending patches and stuff and even some days ago i released a new version of CVSGnome) though i dont have a tunnelview or am not stuck in blind politics or zealoty. people are blind if they dont see the superiority of kde... but then it doesnt mean that kde is perfect in all aspects, its not.. but the permanent work people do on it makes it the better desktop experience because the stuff simply work.`
`20:12.37`	`aseigo`	`beters: via yast ... you can add a yast source pionting to the new kde. unfortunately i don't have a URL handy and lack the time to go looking for it. but that's what you want. =)`
`20:12.49`	`beters`	`lol`
`20:12.49`	`annma`	`pippijn: enlighten on what? on the fact you paste a piece of sentence out of context?`
`20:12.51`	`beters`	`ok`
`20:12.56`	`beters`	`thats all i need`
`20:13.03`	`luciano`	`hi everybody, how can i add new ttf font ? i tried to install it through the instalator in control center = 0 score, tried to copy to the /usr/share/fonts/[userfonts/*otherdirs] = 0 score ... what's bad ?`
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`20:13.24`	`aseigo`	`luciano: have you tried opening konqueror to fonts:/ and drag and droping the file there?`
`20:13.47`	`pippijn`	`annma: on the fact that you blame me for someone elses mistake and my believing in his capability to understand sentences written in his mother tongue`
`20:14.07`	`johnny69`	`oGALAXYo: I sometimes wonder...if there was no split between in the kde/gnome crowd. And all people involved were working on ONE desktop. The efforts...the manpower, the brains behind it all would be DOUBLED, if in fact we had ONE desktop. Not this fractured problem we have now called the, "Kde/Gnome" crowd. Think about it...what would Kde be right now? (or gmome...)`
`20:14.37`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: google for "mythical man month"`
`20:14.47`	`annma`	`iblechbot: I blame the fact that you come here andnot check the facts before`
`20:14.49`	`zy7dcqa`	`kgnome?`
`20:14.53`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: and while you're at it, google for "examples of what happens when there is no competition"`
`20:15.02`	`oGALAXYo`	`johnny69: exactly, ask this the gnome people. they started gnome one year after kde.`
`20:15.13`	`luciano`	`aseigo: the pseudo URL fonts:/ is very simlar to /usr/share/fonts i thought as i saw ... isn't it ??`
`20:15.13`	`oGALAXYo`	`and what did they achive so far ?`
`20:15.19`	`johnny69`	`aseigo: So you are saying the friendly rivalry, actually pushes Kde forward?`
`20:15.25`	`aseigo`	`luciano: yes, but DnD is handled intelligently`
`20:15.32`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: i think it's pushed both forward.`
`20:15.38`	`pippijn`	`annma: I understand`
`20:15.42`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: it's also allowed for multiple experiments (== lower risk in failure)`
`20:15.51`	`johnny69`	`aseigo: Well, was my idea not good at least in theory?`
`20:15.59`	`luciano`	`aseigo: DnD ?`
`20:16.04`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: there's also the fact that while we could use with more hands, to be certain, simply randomly adding more people doesn't guarantee a faster/better product`
`20:16.05`	`johnny69`	`aseigo: You understood where I was trying to go with that, right ?`
`20:16.11`	`aseigo`	`luciano: DnD == drag and drop`
`20:16.20`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: it's really hard to say`
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`20:16.40`	`beters`	`ok, i foundd the url, but when i try to add it to yast, it tells me no instsrc on media`
`20:16.40`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: would we have moved forward as quickly? would a single vision have attracted as many people?`
`20:16.46`	`luciano`	`aseigo: so i try this ...`
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`20:17.04`	`luciano`	`aseigo: are u user or developer ?`
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`20:17.40`	`aseigo`	`luciano: both`
`20:18.00`	`johnny69`	`When I first started eyeballing Linux..(I was sitting in front of Winxp at the time) I fist just randlomly started looking at screenshots...Then I tried knoppix in a cd...which loaded Kde...Really, I could have went both ways...gmome or Kde...it just so happened that was what I was first exposed to.`
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`20:18.48`	`aseigo`	`yes, first exposure is preetty critical`
`20:19.01`	`luciano`	`aseigo: why it shouldn't be, that kde would read all fonts from /usr/share/fonts ... but as everything in KDE has to have a subsystem for everything`
`20:19.01`	`aseigo`	`there's a certain segment that will always drift between the two`
`20:19.19`	`oGALAXYo`	`gnome could have been a good desktop environment.. no doubt.. but there are just a least minority of people who have the skills to really see the things as they are.. a lot of volunteers and politics driven people keep commiting and doing strange things to it that makes the user experience quite bad. they seem to have serious issues getting new people involved in the development process either (but then its their own fault).. the corporate push be`
`20:19.19`	`oGALAXYo`	`to become a reall cool desktop..`
`20:19.27`	`johnny69`	`Now that I have suffered a voltage spike from hell thanks to my power company...and LOST/FRIED my 512 meg memory chip...I am down to 256 meg...I've even considered one of the "light" desktops...but for some reason, I can't leave kde. So here I AM!`
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`20:19.42`	`aseigo`	`luciano: becuase KDE is portable, and we try and make it usable. requiring people to muck with /usr/share/fonts fulfills neither of those goals.`
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`20:20.01`	`aseigo`	`256MB should be enough =/`
`20:20.11`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: what OS do you use?`
`20:20.24`	`pippijn`	`32MB is enough for KDE to run`
`20:20.36`	`pippijn`	`I know because I have a laptop with netbsd and kde`
`20:20.42`	`pippijn`	`32MB and 300Mhz`
`20:20.45`	`pippijn`	`and KDE is fast`
`20:21.00`	`aseigo`	`yes, built right, installed right, it's quite good`
`20:21.04`	`johnny69`	`aseigo: Now...as it was in the beginning...forever shall be: Kde 3.4.1/Fedora Core 3`
`20:21.08`	`luciano`	`aseigo: i tried it, but nothing new`
`20:21.21`	`aseigo`	`i really can't wait until installing from a CD is a thing of the past and hardware vendors do the final integration`
`20:21.26`	`aseigo`	`because it makes SUCH a difference`
`20:21.44`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: ug. FC. yeah... that's your RAM problem. oh well, fortunately RAM is cheap =)`
`20:22.00`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: just please don't judge KDE's (or any Linux desktop's) resource requirements from the way FC handles it`
`20:22.23`	`johnny69`	`I've turned off everything I possibly could..compiled my own kernel, removed some of the mingetty things to save memory..I believe, according to Gkrellm, on startup, with nothing running...about 60 processes...and about 70 meg in use.`
`20:22.45`	`luciano`	`aseigo: another advice ?`
`20:23.32`	`pippijn`	`KDE is faster than Gnome if you screw it down to the minimum`
`20:23.38`	`pippijn`	`Gnome is already the minimum`
`20:24.23`	`johnny69`	`pippijn: I've screwed Kde to death. I keep looking for ways to screw it down some more. Any ideas what to read? (already read the performace tip things from the Ke page)`
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`20:24.41`	`johnny69`	`ke = kde`
`20:25.02`	`lewellyn`	`anyone know how to recover the currently loaded urls from a frozen konq, easily?`
`20:25.03`	`pippijn`	`no background`
`20:25.10`	`lewellyn`	`sifting through /proc/kcore is painful.`
`20:25.20`	`pippijn`	`background may take up 300K to 1.5M of RAM`
`20:25.47`	`johnny69`	`Of course, in my madness, my compulsive drive to get, 'just that little bit more'...I've TRASHED 3 installations in the past. But we won't talk about that ;)`
`20:26.09`	`johnny69`	`pippijn: Yep, knew that one. Give me sonmething else.`
`20:26.24`	`pippijn`	`only one desktop`
`20:26.27`	`pippijn`	`no virtual ones`
`20:26.39`	`luciano`	`aseigo: fuck off fonts, they are not so important, i stay by comic sans :) i wanted something nice hand written :) but ehm ...`
`20:26.39`	`johnny69`	`pippijn: Yep...I don't run but one...and turned all that off in KDe`
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`20:28.02`	`pippijn`	`well`
`20:28.13`	`pippijn`	`johnny69: on linux it did not run neither did it on freebsd`
`20:28.20`	`theobroma`	`check out this poll: http://kde-artists.org/main/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,48/expv,0/topic,161.0`
`20:28.22`	`pippijn`	`on netbsd with a custom kernel it did`
`20:28.30`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: unfortunately there's only so much you'll be able to do with FC. IME it's anything but fast and sleek.`
`20:28.49`	`lewellyn`	`anyone? :(`
`20:28.52`	`aseigo`	`luciano: sorry, don't have any other suggestions =( what version of kde?`
`20:28.53`	`johnny69`	`Right now, I have Opera web browser (comes with Irc client and mail client all running)... Kopete, Knewsticker, 1 console (Aterm, to be exact) Konqueor (file browser) and finally Gkrellm. Total, according, again to Gkrellm, I am using about 170 meg of memory. How bad is that?`
`20:29.04`	`luciano`	`aseigo: 3.3.2`
`20:29.17`	`aseigo`	`lewellyn: you want to grab the urls from a konq window, but it's frozen up?`
`20:29.25`	`aseigo`	`lewellyn: if you're lucky it might not be konq, but nspluginviewer`
`20:29.36`	`luciano`	`aseigo: i had to downgrade from 3.4 (too many bugs)`
`20:29.38`	`aseigo`	`lewellyn: take a look at top and see if that's what's using cpu, and if so, kill it.`
`20:29.47`	`aseigo`	`luciano: tried 3.4.1?`
`20:30.00`	`johnny69`	`Hell, if this was winXp, I'd already be eating into a 700 meg swap file easily :)`
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`20:30.28`	`lewellyn`	`nothing's using cpu`
`20:30.28`	`aseigo`	`johnny69: yeah, but we like living in the wonder world of beautiful things =)`
`20:30.28`	`linex`	`hi`
`20:30.38`	`lewellyn`	`and yes, to the question`
`20:30.44`	`aseigo`	`lewellyn: hrm.. you may be screwed then.`
`20:30.55`	`linex`	`is this the users channel or the developers channel ?`
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`20:31.13`	`lewellyn`	`and searching the running process table for "nsplug" returned nothing`
`20:31.22`	`stefan1_`	`hi where can i change in kpaint the font style ?`
`20:31.22`	`luciano`	`aseigo: don't know - 2 days ago - apt from http://pkg-KDE.alioth.debian.org`
`20:31.39`	`linex`	`I got a user's question aand I don't want to piss the developers`
`20:31.39`	`lewellyn`	`i've been sifting through kcore, but i can't even find urls i KNOW are loaded in there.`
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`20:32.17`	`lewellyn`	`i.e. a google search that i had made.`
`20:32.24`	`lewellyn`	`searching for one of the words finds nothing`
`20:32.38`	`aseigo`	`linex: users.`
`20:32.50`	`aseigo`	`linex: #kde-devel is the devel channel these days`
`20:32.57`	`luciano`	`aseigo: i realised now - that in instalator i have these font, that i wanted, but i cannot choose it in appearance`
`20:33.01`	`linex`	`ok, how does kubuntu makes it such that when I plug in my usb stick , I get an icon on my desktop`
`20:33.25`	`stefan1_`	`is kpaint serious for using ? lol`
`20:33.28`	`linex`	`aseigo : aren't you one of the developers ?`
`20:33.31`	`stefan1_`	`lol what a trash ;)`
`20:33.32`	`aseigo`	`linex: there are two systems that can do this... hotplug (which suse currently uses) and HAL (which kubuntu uses)`
`20:33.47`	`aseigo`	`linex: yes, i am..`
`20:34.01`	`aseigo`	`stefan1_: try kolourpaint`
`20:34.11`	`linex`	`ok, thnaks`
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`20:35.48`	`stefan1_`	`or aseigo how can i get gimp to use antialias fonts ?`
`20:36.24`	`stefan1_`	`seraching for kcolorpaint`
`20:36.33`	`aseigo`	`kcolourpaint`
`20:36.38`	`aseigo`	`it's spelt english style`
`20:36.55`	`apokryphos`	`aseigo: English devs?`
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`20:37.30`	`aseigo`	`apokryphos: or more of us canuckistanis`
`20:38.16`	`stefan1_`	`aseigo yast hasnt it`
`20:38.44`	`aseigo`	`stefan1_: well, 9.2 does =)`
`20:38.47`	`aseigo`	`aseigo@linux:/home/kde/kicker_3.4/buttons> rpm -qf /opt/kde3/bin/kolourpaint`
`20:38.47`	`aseigo`	`kdegraphics3-imaging-3.4.1-3`
`20:38.56`	`stefan1_`	`9.1 not ;(`
`20:38.59`	`Dhraakellian`	`y'know, it'd be nice if konqi had something like Firefox's link toolbar extension`
`20:39.12`	`aseigo`	`stefan1_: there are 3.4.1 rpms for 9.1...`
`20:39.55`	`apokryphos`	`would be nicer if Konqueror had ff's search`
`20:40.47`	`stefan1_`	`aseigo that program doesntr exist or ?`
`20:40.47`	`oGALAXYo`	`ff's search never worked for me`
`20:41.01`	`stefan1_`	`ah`
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`20:41.25`	`stefan1_`	`wrong written;)`
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`20:42.26`	`zy7dcqa`	`heh, wow.`
`20:42.32`	`apokryphos`	`oGALAXYo: how so? It doesn't do anything when you search?`
`20:42.47`	`oGALAXYo`	`apokryphos: exactly..`
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`20:45.04`	`apokryphos`	`Has there been progress on krita? Haven't been in for a while; must check it out`
`20:45.14`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes`
`20:45.17`	`lewellyn`	`so, consensus is that i'm screwed and that i should probably be using a browser which has better crash recovery? :(`
`20:46.50`	`stefan1_`	`aseigo i have it but its not easy ;)`
`20:47.07`	`stefan1_`	`It is now painting a background to the font`
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`20:47.55`	`stefan1_`	`ah`
`20:48.28`	`stefan1_`	`These font dialogs are a mess`
`20:48.58`	`stefan1_`	`you know what XLoadFont has a load ? its terrible to cache all that unused fonts only to see them in the fontcombobox`
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`20:50.29`	`stefan1_`	`He but the font isnt antialised in the backgroudn there ..`
`20:50.35`	`stefan1_`	`aseigo ?`
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`20:52.11`	`alex_`	`ANygood docking software that allows you to put the dock on the left side of your screen?`
`20:55.27`	`oGALAXYo`	`ltR^^: use kicker`
`20:56.16`	`Dhraakellian`	`never really used a "dock"`
`21:00.18`	`ltR^^`	`oglax... what libs doi need?`
`21:00.38`	`ltR^^`	`make[2]: *** [kickermenu.lo] Error 1`
`21:01.33`	`oGALAXYo`	`ltR^^: do you run kde already ?`
`21:02.37`	`ltR^^`	`yes`
`21:02.49`	`oGALAXYo`	`then why do you want to compile something that you already run ?`
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`21:04.51`	`ltR^^`	`?`
`21:04.57`	`ltR^^`	`how do i run kicker then?`
`21:05.13`	`oGALAXYo`	`you probably run already`
`21:05.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`its the bar at the bottom`
`21:05.28`	`oGALAXYo`	`where you put launcher, applets inside.`
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`21:06.41`	`ltR^^`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:06.41`	`ltR^^`	`time on all regions on earth and to select a color from any place on`
`21:06.41`	`ltR^^`	`the desktop.`
`21:06.46`	`ltR^^`	`thats the dockbar applet?`
`21:07.26`	`oGALAXYo`	`http://img263.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot26wv.jpg`
`21:07.31`	`oGALAXYo`	`do you have that thing at the bottom ?`
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`21:07.35`	`oGALAXYo`	`look at my screenshot`
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`21:12.29`	`ltR^^`	`k`
`21:13.00`	`oGALAXYo`	`k as in, yes i have or k in, dunno ?`
`21:13.21`	`ltR^^`	`the site is dead slow`
`21:13.23`	`ltR^^`	`not loading it`
`21:13.26`	`Dhraakellian`	`heh`
`21:13.56`	`ltR^^`	`its looks like that kind of`
`21:14.01`	`Dhraakellian`	`now, by "dock" do you mean OS X type dock, or do you just mean generic panel with taskbar, launchers, and such?`
`21:14.01`	`ltR^^`	`im running SUse9.3`
`21:14.04`	`ltR^^`	`so it's diffrent`
`21:14.12`	`ltR^^`	`OX X type`
`21:14.15`	`Dhraakellian`	`ah`
`21:14.18`	`oGALAXYo`	`ah`
`21:14.38`	`oGALAXYo`	`i thought you wanted a docer on the left side ?`
`21:14.44`	`oGALAXYo`	`in that case simply drag kicker on the left.`
`21:14.46`	`Dhraakellian`	`kicker doesn't really work like OS X's dock`
`21:15.14`	`ltR^^`	`its impossible to get the osx dock to the side`
`21:15.27`	`Dhraakellian`	`http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10958 is one dock-like thing`
`21:15.46`	`ltR^^`	`it doesnt go to the side`
`21:16.39`	`Dhraakellian`	`http://sp.allalone.org/gallery/screenshots/KDE_20050505_D2_recoloredSVG`
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`21:17.48`	`Dhraakellian`	`counter-clockwise from the top: main kicker panel, kasbar (kicker child panel), kpager, gkrellm (connected to my dad's gkrellmd), gkrellm (local)`
`21:19.04`	`lauri`	`oh look, violent green graphs`
`21:19.14`	`Dhraakellian`	`heh`
`21:19.35`	`Dhraakellian`	`better than using karamba for such things, imo`
`21:19.48`	`lauri`	`I've been taking random screenies lately, whenever anyone in ##freebsd asks what it looks like (usually while answering "like it does on any other OS")`
`21:20.30`	`lauri`	`and since I've been randomly porting icon themes, and helping daughter build widget styles, and me and daughter share a wallpaper directory that she fills with random weird shit^Wstuff`
`21:20.50`	`lauri`	`they all manage to look wildly different (although it's otherwise the same layout :)`
`21:20.52`	`Dhraakellian`	`heh`
`21:21.18`	`Dhraakellian`	`lauri, as long as she isn't puting pics of the toilet in the wallpapers dir`
`21:21.30`	`ltR^^`	`HOw do you remove the desktop tab?`
`21:21.30`	`Dhraakellian`	`that would be some random shit`
`21:21.35`	`ltR^^`	`i dont want it or use it`
`21:21.41`	`Dhraakellian`	`desktop tab?`
`21:21.48`	`Dhraakellian`	`the pager?`
`21:21.51`	`ltR^^`	`desktop 1234`
`21:21.53`	`lauri`	`no, but I randomly go from funker vogt wallpapers to 'all your cute are belong to us' anime kiddies`
`21:22.09`	`lauri`	`interspersed with the occasional cutely decorated shot of her boyfriend`
`21:23.09`	`Dhraakellian`	`click on the applet handle`
`21:24.20`	`Dhraakellian`	`there should be an option to remove it`
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`21:24.52`	`Dhraakellian`	`"remove desktop previewer & pager"`
`21:25.10`	`Dhraakellian`	`personally, I prefer kpager`
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`21:36.35`	`johnny69`	`I fell all Null and Void.`
`21:39.46`	`pinotree`	`johnny69: yeah dude, peace & love ;)`
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`21:53.52`	`johnny69`	`pinotree: Hehehe, like, Gnarly.....(and thanks)`
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`22:02.18`	`fubert`	`hi`
`22:03.20`	`fubert`	`is there a possibility to get back the 'delete' context menu entry (when right-clicking files in konqui) in kde3.4? It only shows when pressing shift while right-clicking, which kinda goes on my nerves ;)`
`22:04.29`	`pinotree`	`fubert: kcontrol -> kde components -> file manager -> behaviour tab -> show the Delete entries...`
`22:05.06`	`fubert`	`pinotree: thanks a bunch! :)`
`22:05.06`	`PhilRod`	`FAQ!`
`22:05.12`	`pinotree`	`=)`
`22:05.14`	`PhilRod`	`hrm, either it's in there, or it should be`
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`22:05.31`	`PhilRod`	`fubert: could you check please? :-)`
`22:05.31`	`fubert`	`I must admit I didn't check.`
`22:05.32`	`pinotree`	`uh-oh PhilRod around... ;)`
`22:05.38`	`fubert`	`will do`
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`22:05.56`	`lauri`	`I don't think it is, it only got changed for 3.4, it probably should be though`
`22:05.58`	`fubert`	`it's there`
`22:06.04`	`lauri`	`oh, ok, it is :)`
`22:06.17`	`PhilRod`	`canny's doing a good job`
`22:06.36`	`lauri`	`better'n me :)`
`22:07.12`	`PhilRod`	`I suppose I should say "canllaith", so she wakes up with many channels flashing strange colours, but that might be unfair`
`22:07.35`	`lauri`	`then we should talk a whole lot, so it's gone out of all the scrollbacks`
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`22:17.28`	`DeathRow`	`Whats the program that looks for new program to add to the kde menu?`
`22:18.14`	`johnny69`	`Menu updating tool ?`
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`22:18.40`	`johnny69`	`Mine is in, "preferences/more preference/medu update tool"`
`22:18.48`	`johnny69`	`medu = menu`
`22:19.20`	`PhilRod`	`kappfinder`
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`22:26.39`	`jorgp`	heh, suggestions for getting artsd to work? I get artsd: /home/kdecvs/src/kde/trunk/arts/mcop/core.cc:2108: static Arts::GlobalComm_base* Arts::GlobalComm_base::_create(const std::string&): Assertion `castedObject' failed.
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`22:38.28`	`johnny69`	`redhat kde repo's are showing a minor update. Something like, 3.4.1-1.0 to 3.4.1-1.1 Or something like that. Just a minor problem fix I assume?`
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`22:41.09`	`canllaith`	`johnny69: hrm no clue, do they have a changelog?`
`22:44.01`	`Alethes`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7331969595&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1`
`22:44.02`	`Alethes`	`heh`
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`22:50.11`	`MrGrim`	`if it is that'd be very cool`
`22:50.14`	`Alethes`	`yeah`
`22:50.29`	`Alethes`	`I think it'd be cool to have`
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`23:49.38`	`rr72`	`for example`
`23:51.40`	`rr72`	`Tm_T any ideas?`
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