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00:03.36kingsleyCan konq be configured to have search fields for a.) the current web page and b.) google?
00:07.14thiagokingsley: yes
00:07.39thiagokingsley: Settings, Configure Extensions
00:07.45thiagoturn the "search bar pugin" on
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00:13.37winslayerSteven R: If you're still there, I've gotta go now (1:12am) as tiredness is creeping in and work beckons.. But I'd still like a fix for that someday :o)
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00:14.55benJImankingsley: you can also make the address bar search for stuff you type in which isn't urls if you wish
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00:21.22ritalinI just built kdeoffice, i cvsp then their is another version...
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00:22.50kingsleythiago: Version 3.2.2 of konq doesn't have an "Extension" choice under "Settings, Configure". <sigh>
00:23.10asdfin Kontact is there a way to view schedule conflicts?
00:23.21thiagokingsley: Konq 3.2.2 doesn't have the search bar plugin either
00:24.15benJImankingsley: if you do settings -> configure konqueror -> default search engine -> google, then when you type in things which arn't urls into the title bar it will google for them, if you put the keyword delimiter to space you can also do for example gg keywords rather than gg:keywords
00:24.27benJIman(under web shortcuts in configure dialogue)
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00:26.37kingsleythiago: Do you happen to know which version introduced them?
00:26.48kingsleybenJIman: OK, that worksed. Thank you.
00:26.54thiago3.3.0 I think
00:26.55kingsleys/s//
00:27.02thiagodon't use 3.3.0; go for 3.4.1 instead
00:27.15kingsleythiago: Why?
00:27.23thiagobecause 3.3.0 is old as well
00:28.03kingsleyDo you happen to know where to find Debian packages for 3.4.1?
00:28.27benJImankingsley: can you use the kubuntu ones?
00:29.24kingsleybenJIman: Like you, I don't know, but I suppose I wouldn't be surprised if there were problems.
00:29.53benJImanor you could use a less out of date distro, or one which provides updated packages to old distro releases :p
00:30.26hansviHello ppl, I've been playing with superkaramba a bit today. Real sweet! I have written a small theme that shows the time since the last backup in only a few hours!
00:31.00hansvi... and I didn't even know python (learned it alongway)
00:32.39benJImandebian don't even seem to backport bugfixes
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00:42.20ritalinanyone know where you get some feature list/changes thats planned for next release of kde?
00:44.07benJImanritalin: there's a guide to svn features in the topic
00:44.52thiagoritalin: developer.kde.org
00:45.39ritalinthiago: ty
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00:53.02ritalinthank god
00:53.07ritalinI was worried sick jkeel
00:53.20jkeelritalin: I'll bet you were..
00:53.24ritalin;)
00:53.34jkeelritalin: you need to get off that medicine.. it's causing anxiety, I think
00:53.44ritalinheh
00:53.51ritalinnot when i mix it with my zoloft
00:53.59jkeelah yes
00:54.20jkeelthat usually fixes anything
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01:01.52canllaithullo StevenR
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01:02.16StevenRwhere do i set the max size that kde can take up for image preview caching?
01:02.19StevenRheya candyban
01:02.29StevenRheya canllaith
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01:03.08benJImanStevenR: settings -> configure konqueror -> previoews and metadata -> maximum filesize
01:03.50StevenRbenJIman: no, that's the max file size for which previews are genrated
01:03.59StevenRnot the max space kde can use
01:04.08benJImanook
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01:04.29StevenRmy .thumbnails dir is currently 323 meg
01:04.34Mad_ScientistAnyone help me tweak the kicker panel/
01:04.35Mad_Scientist?
01:06.47Mad_ScientistAnyone know how to change the quicklaunch icons on the taskbar?
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01:07.00Roeyhi
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01:07.25Roeydoes the text in the middle column look cut off by the right column for anyone else here?  http://tools.devshed.com/c/a/Website-Content/Drupal-Modules/
01:08.13hansviMad_Scientist: what do you want to know?
01:09.17Mad_ScientistTrying to figure out how to change the quicklaunch icons that are next to kicker/start
01:09.35Mad_ScientistI want different programs to launch from there.  It currently has things that I dont use
01:09.55thiagoright-click over them
01:10.16Mad_ScientistWaw..thanks
01:10.21Mad_Scientisterr...wow
01:10.28Mad_ScientistIve tried everything BUT that
01:12.05Mad_ScientistAny other cool KDE tweaks that you can suggest?  Im kinda new to Linux
01:12.17Mad_ScientistI just want my desktop to look, eh, 'cooler'
01:13.33Dhraakellianhttp://sp.allalone.org/gallery/screenshots/KDE_20050505_D2_recoloredSVG hauling out that screenshot again
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01:15.03Mad_ScientistDhraakellian: I'm checking it out...
01:15.08Mad_ScientistSeems slow to connect
01:16.11Mad_ScientistDhraakellian: Thats pretty sweet looking...
01:16.32Mad_ScientistHow do you change the "taskbar' to be transparent like that?
01:16.33MrGrimanyone here done any fbdev coding before?
01:17.12DhraakellianMad_Scientist, for one thing, the generic term is "panel"
01:17.18Dhraakellian!;)
01:17.25Mad_ScientistThats what I was looking for
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01:17.41Dhraakellian(KDE's panel app is called Kicker)
01:17.44Mad_ScientistIm a noob, and open to constructive criticism.  Can you tell Im a windows convert?
01:17.51parphconvert hehe
01:18.04parphdon't say convert it makes it sound like your switching religions
01:18.31Dhraakellianin the panel prefs, layout > appearance
01:18.39Dhraakellianin the Panel Background section
01:18.47Dhraakellian[x] enable transparency
01:18.57Dhraakellianand you can set the tint in Advanced Options
01:19.49Mad_ScientistI notice there's no 'start' menu either
01:20.08Dhraakellianwha?
01:20.12Dhraakellianthere's the kmenu
01:20.36Mad_Scientistwhere is it?
01:20.56Mad_Scientistextreme left?
01:21.33Mad_ScientistI see it
01:21.55Mad_ScientistWhere did you get all those cool-loking CPU-load meters and such?
01:22.59Dhraakellianthat's gkrellm
01:23.01Mad_ScientistCan you tell Im a newbie?  I'm actually not even a newbie yet.  I'm still riding on the short bus, waiting to get off at the "newbie" stop.
01:23.30Dhraakelliangkrellm with the "invisible" theme
01:24.19AlethesMad_Scientist: freshmeat.net is your friend for apps
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01:28.03Mad_ScientistThanks
01:28.04AAEMHola
01:28.20AAEMEspaniol?
01:28.33hansviMad_scientist: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssuperkaramba.html
01:29.45hansviIt's really cool, I just developed a "theme" ("desktop widget" would be a more appropriate term) myself
01:30.10hansviBut I don't know if you're into programming ;)
01:30.15Mad_ScientistNOt yet...
01:31.07Mad_Scientistcan I get the mandrake 10.2 rpm if I am running Mandriva Le 2005?
01:32.08thiagoMandriva 2005 LE and Mandrake 10.2 are the same
01:32.45Mad_ScientistI'm sorry...the RPM is for 10.1.  Can I use that?
01:33.00thiagoyou shouldn't
01:33.15Mad_ScientistDo we know if there is an RPM for 10.2?
01:33.18thiagoit might work, but it might not
01:34.24hansviMad_scientist: another nice kicker applet is kweather: right click on taskbar -> add->applet->kweather
01:35.00Mad_ScientistI wanna get this GK rellM first, before I move on. =) Still trying to figure out how to do that
01:35.28hansviOk, have fun 8-)
01:36.02Mad_ScientistWell, I am lost on what I need to do.  THe RPM is only for 10.1, and without an RPM, I dont know what to do
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01:42.54sema4does anyone know how to install mouse themes from themes.kde.org?
01:43.17sema4all 6 do not install using the method described on the site
01:43.42thiagoMad_Scientist: try the ksysguard applet instead
01:43.45sema4(ie using the "intall theme" in the kcontrol mouse cursor )
01:43.57Mad_ScientistI got gkrellm
01:44.03Mad_ScientistWhat is sysguard?
01:44.07Mad_ScientistSame thing/similar?
01:44.29thiagosimilar
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01:47.16Dhraakellianactually, the nearest kde equivalent to gkrellm would probably be ksim
01:47.32Dhraakellianand, from my experience, gkrellm is superior
01:48.01Mad_ScientistIm going to play with it for a bit, see what all it does.
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02:32.09cllswill kde 4 still use arts ?
02:34.09Dhraakellianno
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02:37.09cpvhola
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02:37.14kahdgarxiHi.
02:37.23Mad_ScientistHey...who was telling me about GKrellM?
02:37.25kahdgarxi:)
02:38.00kahdgarxiDoes KDE have anything like gconf?
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02:38.54Alethesfortunately not
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02:40.49kahdgarxiDoes anyone know of a way to adjust the amount that kmix adjusts the volume when it receives the DCOP commands to adjust it?
02:40.55kahdgarxi(aside from hacking the source...)
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02:45.45Mad_Scientistwow..
02:45.55ubuntuistnice
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03:15.25rr72hey all
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03:18.04ryanoe1when it says blocks are 8 and should be 0, that means???
03:22.43ryanoe1well?
03:22.49Mad_ScientistI want to change how KDE looks. I mean, the colors of the title bar of the windows, and backgrounds, etc.  Is this considered a theme?
03:23.46anankeMad_Scientist : a theme is a collection of settings. colors/backgrounds can be a subset of a theme, or not.
03:26.48kahdgarxiis there a way to make KHotKeys accept direct input from the keyboard? (i.e. my multimedia keys generate keycodes in xev, but the only way i can get khotkeys to recognize them is to choose a keyboard layout similar to mine, and then it see a XF86-foo input, rather than just the keycode) is there a way to make it see the keycodes?
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03:28.11mr__My kdm crash over and over, I mailed the list, but no one can helped me
03:28.29mr__kde 3.4.1 , since kde 3.4.x kdm dont work, but in kde 3.2 and 3.3 works nice
03:28.36mr__could you help me?
03:29.35mr__Is slackware and kde 3.4.1 , as I said.
03:30.20anankemr__ : you haven't said anything specific.
03:30.45anankebesides, if you use slackware and kde 3.4.1, it means: a) you use slackware -current, b) you got the kde packages from somewhere else
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03:31.51mr__yes, is slackware current..
03:31.57mr__and kde 3.4.1, sure.
03:32.10mr__Im upgrading since slackware 9.x current
03:32.14mr__is the same installation
03:32.23anankedid you upgrade and install all packages?
03:32.27mr__yes
03:32.36anankewell, check your logs
03:32.59anankei'm willing to bet you didn't install all the required packages, especially from l/
03:33.16mr__but, kde is working fine.. the problem is with kdm
03:33.29mr__and, I have all the packages.
03:33.42mr__I read the requeriments page
03:33.46mr__from kde.org
03:33.55anankeforget kde.org, focus on slackware
03:34.07mr__yes, but the requeriments are for kde, not for slackware.
03:34.13mr__This is what I meant.
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03:34.42mr__Kdm stop working when I upgraded to kde 3.4
03:34.49mr__with the 3.x works nice
03:35.09mr__I mailed kde people, searched in list, dont know.. but I cannot discover what the problem is
03:35.13anankemr__, 'stopped working' tells me absolutely nothing
03:35.34mr__no?.. I meant when I tried to start up, crash. easy.
03:35.41mr__as I said before.
03:35.42anankeit's like you telling me that your car stopped running after you changed the engine, and you expect me to tell you what
03:35.56mr__want to see the output from the crash?
03:35.57anankecrash means nothing. when does it crash for example?
03:36.01anankeduh, yes
03:36.12mr__when?, when I wrote kdm, and press enter
03:36.15rr72pastebin
03:36.18mr__I only saw the background
03:36.21mr__rr72 , sure.
03:37.17anankemr__ : check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
03:37.36mr__http://rafb.net/paste/results/NrXDaO97.html
03:37.44mr__there is the kdm crash output
03:37.47mr__yes, let me check.
03:39.12anankemr__ : i assume you're running glibc-2.3.5, right?
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03:40.46mr__no, is glibc2.3.4
03:41.02mr__and glib2-2.6.4
03:41.25anankeuhmm, silly
03:41.43anankeyou can't just pick and choose what you want from -current and run it on 9.x.
03:41.48Mad_ScientistTrying to install a color scheme, and it says to open konqueror and browse to ~/.kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes       I cant seem to find this. Where is it?
03:42.04anankeeither stay and stick with -current, or stick to the stable one. none of that 'i'll just take one package, and leave the rest'
03:42.32mr__..
03:42.49rr72~ = /home/<username>
03:42.57anankemr__ : i'd bet if you actually upgraded packages from 'a' and 'l', kdm would work
03:43.43Mad_Scientistfile:/home/madscientist/.kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes    does not exist
03:43.53Mad_ScientistDo I need some sort of color-scheme manager or something?
03:44.02Mad_ScientistIs that why it doesnt exist?
03:44.17rr72works for me
03:44.20rr72all i   know
03:45.45mr__well, I'll try, but I did not what you say. In fact, glibc in the version you say, is not part of the requeriments from kde.. so, ok, I could upgrade a and l, but kde dont require glibc ( detailed ) in that way
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03:46.24mr__thanks for help me, anyway
03:47.17anankemr__ : screw the kde requirements
03:47.39mr__but if I want to install kde, its correct to see what its needed..
03:47.43mr__or not?
03:47.45anankemr__, if you run slack-current, you should know better. kde 3.4.1 was released after the upgrade to glibc 2.3.5, which means it was compiled against 2.3.5
03:48.16anankemr__ ; no. you have to follow slackware, if you're going to use slackware packages. if you compiled kde from source, then you'd be following what kde.org says in terms of recommendations
03:48.18mr__fantastice :-D
03:48.25mr__I going to get kdm working, so.
03:48.48mr__ananke ; no I must follow both.
03:49.00mr__If I have that version of glibc, but not qt.. dont work
03:49.03mr__;-)
03:49.14rr72much easier
03:49.21mr__rr72 , no thanks.
03:49.43rr72or even windows is easier than slackware
03:49.50mr__?
03:51.10mr__ananke, In fact the slackware current I have is downloaded from your host :-D , dont know if you made it, but its downloaded from there.
03:51.45anankemr__ : i just mirror slackware
03:52.05anankemr__ : and no, you must follow slackware, if you're going to use slackware packages.
03:52.12mr__ananke : well, But I downloaded it an year and days ago.
03:52.21anankemr__ : huh?
03:52.33mr__ananke , yes.
03:52.37mr__ananke , huh?
03:52.53anankeyes what?
03:53.02mr__dont know, you say "huh"
03:53.03mr__tell me.
03:53.04anankeyou downloaded kde 3.4.1 from me a year ago?
03:53.13mr__thats no possible, I guess.. or yes?
03:53.22mr__no, I downloaded slackware from your host
03:53.47anankeof course it's not possible, kde 3.4.1 wasn't out a year ago
03:53.47mr__I did not say that.
03:53.52mr__so....
03:53.59anankei have no clue what you're saying anymore
03:54.04mr__thanks for the help.
03:54.23mr__ananke, as you wish, thanks.
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03:55.44anankei don't wish anything
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03:56.30chinohow do i change the default browser ?
03:56.32mr__ananke: fine :-D
03:56.53rr72associations maybe?
03:57.14rr72just to open *.htm in another browser
03:58.05chinoyes
03:58.05chinowell everything
03:58.11chinolike if i make a link to a url on my desktop
03:58.17chinoits gonna use konqueror
03:58.19chinowhich i dont wnat
03:58.44rr72i always rightclick
03:58.49chinohuh ?
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03:58.50rr72and open dif app
03:59.01chinocommon there is a way
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04:00.36chinogot it!
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04:24.08litagesometimes when i run audacity, it says it can't init the i/o layer:   deadorange.com/audacity.png   any idea how to fix his? /dev/dsp is chmod 777 and /dev/dsp0 is 666
04:24.33rr72does this always happen?
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04:29.42litagerr72: ye
04:29.43litagerr72: yes
04:29.55rr72i was just wondering
04:30.06rr72just trying to get others to think
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05:25.21Triffid_Hunterwhich library handles drag-drop? mine seems to be broken
05:25.46jamesconfQDrag
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05:34.21AlaricXIs there any KDE dcop call i can make to have the active application quit
05:35.00jamesconfyes
05:35.11jamesconfI think, pretty sure there is
05:35.49AlaricXThanks!
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05:35.54jamesconfumm nop
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05:48.08Roeyaseigo:  hi. Something that reminded me of your arguments on implementing open source apps on Windows:  http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1835516,00.asp
05:49.11RoeyMicrosoft is starting to use this as a reason to stick with Windows.  Note the quote "Many open-source applications, like Apache, now also run on both Windows and Linux, 'which is something to bear in mind,' he said."
05:49.20aseigoyes
05:49.28aseigoof course they do. it's pretty obvious =)
05:49.40aseigoi mean, if *i* can figure it out ;)
05:49.56Roeywell this is the first I've seen that they're actually OK with promoting open source as long as it keeps people on their platform
05:50.33Roeywell.
05:50.47Roeyanyway, if you want to drive home this point, there's a nice source quote
05:50.52Roey(from that article)
05:51.06aseigo=)
05:51.21aseigoi actually already blogged about that article
05:51.24Roeyoh!
05:51.25Roeyok
05:51.26aseigoit's sitting in my drafts on blogger.com
05:51.33RoeyI see.
05:51.37aseigosince i already blogged today i figured i'd get a head start on tomorrow
05:51.37aseigohaha
05:52.05Roeybtw, did you notice how blatant those MS links appear in the article?
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05:52.24aseigoyep. "advertising". *sigh
05:52.31Roeythye have one paragraph of text, followed by a link to more information about a certain MS this-or-that.
05:53.03Roeythey're like commercials on TV; they break your concentration.
05:54.14MrGrimI've learned to go into a sort of hibernation when commercials come on.. almost a complete shutdown w/ the ability to restore when they are over
05:54.18MrGrimhelps reduce concentration loss :P
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05:57.04Roey:)
05:57.29jamesconfI change the channel
05:57.30RoeyMrGrim:  speaking of hibernation, I think that's a good move for me right now..
05:57.32Roeygood night
05:57.49AlaricXeh-heh.. after searching somewhat through myriad programs/documentation/websites, i've not found any dcop call to get the active app :(
05:58.15RoeyAlaricX:  do you know of any dcop call to get a list of a Konqueror session's open tab names?
05:58.33MrGrimjamesconf: that's introduces the posibility of missing parts of teh show O_o
05:59.07RoeyI can only find stuff to get Konqueror to list all its KHTML pages.  But then, I don't know which ones go directly under the tab and which ones are separate (like advertisements, say)
05:59.11jamesconfMrGrim:  PVR!
05:59.54AlaricXRoey: Nope, sorry
05:59.55MrGrimRoey: I see nothing
06:00.07MrGrimbug the kwin developers to work on kwin's crappy dcop interface
06:00.13Roeyok.
06:00.14Roeywill do.
06:00.18MrGrimerm
06:00.22MrGrimthat was for AlaricX
06:00.32jamesconfAlaricX:  I got done looking at kwin's dcop interface right after you left.
06:00.51AlaricXjamesconf: yea, i was looking at it throughout :/
06:00.51MrGrimit is kinda lacking
06:00.52scroogehmm
06:00.58scroogesounds in kde dont work anymore
06:00.58scroogelol
06:00.59RoeyI willput in a wish for them to make a simple call that will list the corresponding HTML page title or URL for every tab it has open.
06:01.45MrGrimdidn't there use to be C bindings for dcop at once point?
06:01.54scroogewat config would i remove to reset the audio?
06:02.08aseigoMrGrim: yes. still are AFAIK
06:02.12aseigoMrGrim: used primarily for bindings
06:02.31scroogekmixrc?
06:02.35MrGrimI did a cursory look a few days ago and couldn't find them, will have to look harder
06:02.43scroogeknotifyrc sounds good
06:02.46scroogerite? :/
06:02.55MrGrimscrooge: ... perhaps your first instinct shouldn't be to delete things?
06:03.01MrGrimgranted I dunno anything about kde sounds
06:03.07scroogelol
06:03.11scroogenah this happened before
06:03.12MrGrimbut there's prolly something else more "elegant" you can do
06:03.14scroogeupgrade alsa
06:03.16scroogeand it dies
06:03.16aseigoscrooge: what are you trying to fix?
06:03.19scroogerm the config
06:03.21scroogeand it works
06:03.22aseigo"it dies"
06:03.26scroogesound
06:03.35scroogesystem notifications do not work
06:03.38aseigohave you tried the Sound System control panel in kcontrol?
06:03.41scroogeyes
06:03.42scroogemany times
06:03.43scroogeenable
06:03.45scroogedisable
06:03.46scroogeetc etc
06:03.50scroogeno dice
06:04.04aseigohave you checked the page that lets you set the audio device and the sound driver?
06:04.26scroogeyes
06:04.39scroogei set it to alsa, threaded, auto, still nothing
06:04.42scroogenot even test sound works
06:05.01rr72night aseigo
06:05.07rr72damn homework
06:05.13scroogeeverything else works soundwise
06:05.14rr72its 1 am and im doing homework
06:05.15aseigorr72: g'nite
06:05.18scroogeamarok, gaim, muine
06:05.18AlaricXwhenever i start up JuK, it quits, giving SIGABRT :(
06:05.37MrGrimI'll call in to work to get JuK working
06:05.39MrGrimmusic > *
06:05.56AlaricXmusic is indeed '> *' :-D
06:06.02MrGrimand w/ juk managing over 20 gigs now it needs to work :P
06:06.27scroogedevice: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
06:06.29AlaricXI've got it managing barely 2 GB and ever since i did some partition work, it's given ABRT
06:06.32MrGrim(JuK) [Never, Never, Land] 10 - Unkle - Glow [0:03/4:18] [OGG/256kbps/6.65MB]
06:06.34scroogei killall artsd and clicked test sound
06:06.38scroogeand now it says that
06:07.03MrGrimAlaricX: have you tried removing any auto scan directories from the list?
06:07.10MrGrimand clearing the database?
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06:07.37MrGrimscrooge: ya... killing the sound server would make it hard to play sound
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06:07.44MrGrimyou have to renable it after killing it
06:07.56CrellOops, clicked the wrong room.  Sorry.
06:08.04scroogeclicking Test Sound restarts the server......
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06:08.18AlaricXMrGrim: I was just about to rename the config file to check it out ;)
06:08.22MrGrim... ppl click rooms?
06:08.28scroogeyes
06:08.31MrGrimwhat client does that?
06:09.21MrGrimare they like bookmarks or smthn?
06:09.32scroogeno
06:09.33AlaricXMrGrim: Well, when i renamed the config file, it started, counted my 296 (or 269) files and then threw ABRT
06:09.35scroogeits a guified /list
06:09.35MrGrimmost I've seen is how konvi makes room names in channel conversation links
06:09.56MrGrimo.. /list is evil :P it always spanks my inet connection :P
06:10.02scroogeaseigo, any other suggestions?
06:10.06scroogelol yea
06:10.40MrGrimAlaricX: maybe have a corrupt file in there
06:10.47MrGrimtry adding album at a time to narrow it down
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06:11.22aseigoscode: you can try getting rid of `kde-config --localprefix`/share/config/kcmartsrc
06:11.36scroogek
06:11.40AlaricXMrGrim: Woo, it started when i renamed the "juk" folder to "jukold", and it's listing all my MP3s
06:12.03MrGrimwhat happens if you name it back? :P
06:12.42AlaricXKCrash: Application 'juk' crashing...
06:12.43AlaricX:-D
06:12.50AlaricXbut i'm pleased, it works now ;)
06:12.58MrGrimshould do a bug report... that's weird
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06:15.07AlaricXnevermind
06:15.08AlaricXheh
06:15.12AlaricXi think i know the problem
06:15.22AlaricXmy old juk/playlists file turned into a .. kget file?!
06:15.35AlaricXmaybe a bit of fscking isn't out of the picture...
06:15.48scroogeif i open arts status app
06:15.52scroogei can see the meters moving
06:17.26scroogemeh it wont work
06:17.27scroogescrew it
06:17.36scroogeim going to sleep
06:17.40scroogenite
06:17.41scroogethx
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07:07.19rr72this should***!!! even out in the morning
07:07.19rr72[tools]~ just wait it out
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07:07.20chinodam i needed help too
07:07.20[tools]rr72: noprob, i'm already figuring something out with kdesktop_lock
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07:07.29rr72chino~  i have summer school. starts in 6 hours
07:07.33rr72night
07:07.38chinolol later
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07:10.01chinoi think it stopped
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07:11.02chinodo you guys think i fi compile kdelibs in a regular location instead of /opt that my program will be able to find it ?
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07:15.51Speedy2Does anyone recall the OSNews article that talked about how to "properly" setup fonts under Linux?  I have setup KDE to use the Tahoma font, 8-pt just like my Win2000 seutp, but everything looks much smaller
07:18.50jql8 pt?
07:19.18Speedy2jql: That is what Win2000 uses by default and it's very readable on my machine
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07:20.28Speedy2jql: I am running KDE 3.4.1 on the same machine, and I'm trying to get parity with what Win2000 does
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07:20.47chino<PROTECTED>
07:20.49Speedy2I recall there was an OSNews article about fonts, hinting, what settings have to changed in freetype
07:21.12Speedy2chino: I have changed KDE over to use Tahoma 8-pt, but the font is not the same size as in Win2000
07:21.24chinowhat! ?
07:21.31Speedy2Yes
07:21.34Speedy2It feels that way
07:21.42chinoi just asked a quiestion
07:21.58chinoyou want win fonts then get them from #windows
07:22.14Speedy2chino: YOu are not paying attention.  <Speedy2> chino: I have changed KDE over to use Tahoma 8-pt, but the font is not the same size as in Win2000
07:22.27Speedy2I am not asking for Windows fonts, I already have them
07:23.01jqlwhen you say size, do you mean vertical size or horizontal?
07:23.03mobtekSpeedy2: different windowing system, X deals with fonts a little differently from win2k iirc
07:23.12jqlif the latter, I'd guess it's the anti-aliasing
07:23.15Speedy2mobtek: Right, what can I do to achieve parity?
07:23.22Speedy2jql: It seems "smaller"
07:23.47jqlin both dimensions?
07:23.47mobtek8pt is tiny at my res
07:23.49mobtek1600x1200
07:23.54Speedy2Let me try disabling anti-aliasing.  If I recall, there is one anti-aliasing engine that is disabled by default due to licensing, but once can enable it manually
07:23.58Speedy2I am running 1280x1024
07:24.03Speedy2one sec, let me disable anti-aliasing
07:24.18jqlresolution shouldn't matter if your monitor's been made in the past decade. :)
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07:24.28Speedy2It was more like an F"YI"
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07:24.32Speedy2err "FWIW"
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07:26.16mobtekheh
07:26.18Speedy2I think it may have been the anti-aliasing settings
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07:26.26Speedy2Strange, I would have not expected it to make it feel worse
07:26.32Speedy2Damn, I wish I could find that article
07:26.40Speedy2It did a good job of explaining this "stuff"
07:27.12Speedy2It was an OSNews article, but I haven't had luck finding it
07:27.19Speedy2(one of the few good ones on that site)
07:27.51go_77is there another chanels name ?
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07:28.59jqlthe full anti-aliasing in WindowsXP or X changes the font geometry. Most people don't turn on full anti-aliasing in XP, though
07:29.01jqlit's slow
07:29.06jqlfor me, at least
07:29.17jqlMS has a font smoothing option, though
07:29.21jqlit's nice
07:29.31jqlno geometry change
07:29.43Speedy2I use the anti-aliasing setting in Win2000 -- don't know about XP
07:29.50jql2k has font smoothing
07:30.10Speedy2jql: I have it enabled on my 2k desktop for sure.
07:30.15jqlyeah, me too
07:30.16Speedy2jql: I'm also using a CRT, not an LCD
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07:30.30jqlLCD is a whole other can of beans
07:30.41Speedy2jql: I wonder is there a way to get KDE's anti-aliasing to work as it does on Win2000?
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07:33.33jqlI think it's a matter of excluding certain font sizes from the anti-aliasing voodoo, and letting the (patented) font rounding thingy work
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07:34.07jqlwhich is probably where the OSNews article would come in handy
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07:35.01Speedy2jql: Yes, I think you're right...now if only that fscking article could be found
07:35.15Gumbydoes anyone know if there is a confirmed bug in the "get new wallpaper" option in kcontrol where the file extension is not saved when a new background is downloaded?
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07:36.35jqlgoogle for site:osnews.com font patent
07:36.46jqlbetcha one of those is it
07:38.51Speedy2jql: Let's try
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07:40.54Speedy2jql: No such luck
07:40.55Speedy2FUCK
07:40.57Speedy2It was a really good article
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07:42.22Speedy2jql: Did you have any lcuk finding it?
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07:43.56jqlnope
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07:51.47solariesif my audiocd:/ does not show MP3 folders, what's wrong?
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07:54.13aumhi - how do i set up global key bindings?
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07:56.03choihello~
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07:56.18choidoes k3b take a lot of resource when it's buring DVD?
07:56.30_jamesconfno more then normal
07:56.48choiwhen i'm burning DVD, my mouse gets all jumpy, is that normal?
07:56.56_jamesconfnop
07:57.02choiwhat should i check?
07:57.08_jamesconfat least never happend for me.
07:57.18choiwell, it didn't happen to me till now.
07:57.33parapenteprobably you haven't enabled dma
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07:57.47choihmm............
07:58.15parapenteaum, go to Control Center ---> Regional & Accessibility ---> Command Shortcuts
07:59.01choiif i didn't enable dma, when i copy large files, my system will freeze for couple of seconds right?
07:59.19aumparapente: thx
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08:00.04chinoisn't there a fake keybaord i can get on screen ?
08:00.08chinolike if you only have a mouse ?
08:00.41parapenteright choi
08:00.51chino?
08:01.05choibut it doesn't happen with files
08:01.07parapentecheck with hdparm both your hard drive and dvdrecorder
08:01.12choionly with burning dvds
08:01.25choii mean copying files from hard disks
08:01.35choioh ok.
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08:02.04aumi used to much prefer gnome, but kde 3.3.2 makes gnome 2.x look sick and buggy
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08:02.54chinoanyone ?
08:03.30parapenteaum, also in Regional & Accessibility you can use HotKeys
08:03.48chinoi need a on screen keybaord
08:03.53parapente3.4 is also much faster
08:03.54chinoso i can point iwth the mouse and hit keys
08:04.20parapentechino, sorry I don't know of any such program :-/
08:04.59Speedy2parapente: Are you sure DMA is enabled?  I think an hdparm switch will tell you
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08:05.45parapenteSpeedy2, that's what I told choi. I don't have such a problem ;-)
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08:06.01xamewhat is the kde info center program command?
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08:06.57parapentexame, you mean K Control Center?
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08:07.20xamei don't think so,  this command gives me information on the hardware, and other componenets of the kde system
08:07.50_jamesconfkinfocenter
08:08.01xameprobably
08:08.06choii just checked, DMA is on for my hd and cdrom
08:08.20xameno, doesn't seem to be it
08:08.41xameis there another command, that does somthing similar to that though?
08:09.12choiany other idea, what could cause this?
08:09.39xameit's something i used from the konsole window, certain options brought up gui's though
08:10.11parapentechoi, are you using SCSI emulation to use the dvdr?
08:10.24choinot so sure
08:10.30choiwhere do i check that?
08:10.50parapenteyou use k3b for burning right?
08:10.53choiyeah
08:11.02choiright now, i'm burning some dvd
08:11.11xamei think i know what it is, system > information, it lists stuff like pci partitions, network interfaces, pcmcia proccessor, etc
08:11.20choiand it only gets to 2.5x
08:11.24xamethat is in the contorl center
08:11.25choiit used to be 4.0x
08:11.43parapenteif you go to k3b Preferences ---> Devices
08:12.18parapenteyou'll see the dvdr device you have and in Interface if you have SCSI emulation it will say something like SCSI device
08:12.31parapenteotherwise it will say ATAPI device
08:13.05choiok ok let me check
08:13.41aumdoes konqueror support multi-tab-row yet?
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08:18.04choiboth are ATAPI interface
08:18.11choishould i be using SCSI emulator?
08:20.56xamehow would i get to control center > system administration > information from the konsole window?
08:20.57parapentechoi, no you shouldn't
08:20.57choithen ?
08:20.57parapentemost distros nowadays use 2.6.x kernels and ATAPI is better
08:21.04choiicic..
08:21.53choiit only happens when i'm burning dvds
08:21.53choicopying files from hd to hd , it's ok .
08:21.53parapenteI have no other ideas :-/
08:21.54choiicic..
08:21.56choithanks anywyas.
08:21.57choi:)
08:22.01parapentenp :-)
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08:29.56pinotreehello =)
08:30.51xamehow do i get information on kde from the konsole
08:31.05pinotreexame: which kind of info?
08:31.49xamewell, sepcifcially control center > system administration > information
08:31.57xameit contains hardware info mainly
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08:32.50xamestuff like network interfaces, pci, pcmcia, proccessor, samba status, scsi sound, usb devices
08:32.53pinotreexame: fro hw info, uname -a
08:32.58pinotreeahhh
08:33.12pinotreethey're taken from various sources
08:33.12xamethe program i'm thinking of is specific to kde i think
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08:33.53xamei figured out one kinfocenter, but it's the wrong module
08:37.06_jamesconfxame: the commandline apps for that info
08:37.57xame_hamesconf is that a question?  if it is, yes
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08:45.36David23hi, is it now possible to merge and resize reiserfs partitions without data-loss?
08:53.17_jamesconfresize yes
08:53.27_jamesconfmerge no, thats what cp is for
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09:00.47hussamany kde 3.4.1 users experiencing this crash? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922
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09:21.09jimmythescumbagsomeone told me to do a make mrproper to try fix my BT848 tuner, now KDE wont load
09:21.26jimmythescumbaglots of errors, cannot connect to x server
09:23.35jimmythescumbagbah
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09:28.43_RADIOheadanyone know why i  other users cant start kde session
09:28.49_RADIOheadcheck kde installation ERROR
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09:32.41_RADIOheadanyone
09:32.41_RADIOhead?
09:33.31lauri_which other users?
09:33.37lauri_other than root?
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09:38.19_RADIOheadno
09:38.19_RADIOheadlauri_:
09:38.24_RADIOheadother then my user
09:38.25_RADIOheadslack
09:38.26_RADIOheadothers
09:38.28_RADIOheadexample
09:38.30_RADIOheadlimited
09:38.39_RADIOheaduser1 user2 user3 can not login
09:38.55_RADIOheadbefore 1 hour was ok
09:39.02_RADIOheaddo not what happened now
09:39.04lauri_so what did you do an hour ago?
09:39.23_RADIOheadlauri_: nothign man , i just exit users and login as me
09:39.39_RADIOheadher other users can owrk just when im not in and sure without any permissions
09:39.58lauri_so if you log in, nobody else can?
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09:40.42_RADIOheadno no if i login they can stat new session when i lock my desktop, they cant login via kde or kdm or startx
09:41.40lauri_how are you locking the desktop?
09:41.58_RADIOheadlauri_: done dude
09:42.12lauri_what is done?
09:42.12_RADIOheadwell go kde menu and lock session
09:42.19_RADIOheadi dont wanna use vlock :)
09:42.21lauri_ok, you're not using xlock or anything else
09:42.22_RADIOheadlauri_: fix problem
09:42.27_RADIOheadi reinstall qt
09:42.28lauri_you fixed it?
09:42.36_RADIOheadand libart_lgpl
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09:50.32IIVQhi
09:50.37IIVQa question
09:50.58IIVQI just upgraded to kde 3.4 and now I can no longer access the "devices" tab in konqueror
09:51.08IIVQany idea why?
09:52.11benJImanIIVQ: the devices:/ slave was renamed media:/ iirc
09:52.23benJImanprobably you need to reset the sidebar to system defaults
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09:53.24IIVQah ok
09:53.34IIVQwhy does everything have to change all the time
09:53.45IIVQbut how do I "reset" the sidebar?
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09:55.01Wacoi have a general kde question
09:55.01slossanyone know if KDE can be compiled with Qt 4.0?
09:55.11pinotreesloss: no
09:55.19IIVQwaco: shoot
09:55.21Wacoafter emerging kde
09:55.21pinotreeWaco: don't ask to ask, just ask ;)
09:55.28slossany second opinions?
09:55.33Wacowill it automatically boot up into the graphical envioroment?
09:55.55IIVQbut is there something to configure the look of the items in the "media" tab?
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09:56.13IIVQbecause my cf card does not look like a usb stick at all
09:56.29IIVQand especially not like a bulky ugly usb stick :-P
09:56.46IIVQWaco: after emerging with gentoo you mean?
09:56.52IIVQno, it will not
09:57.04Wacowhat additional steps to i need to take?
09:57.30benJImanIIVQ: right click on the devices tab and click remove, then right click on the tabs and go add new-> folder, then right click that one and set url to media:/, is the easiest way of doing what you want I think
09:57.57Wacoyes after emerging with gentoo
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09:58.50IIVQ"safely remove" ... it's time to switch to another graphical shell... one which does not look like windows
09:59.10IIVQthx benJIman, that did the trick
09:59.19lauri_oh please
09:59.26lauri_change the icon theme to something you like better
09:59.29IIVQnow to find out how to configure the devices, but that's for later
09:59.55IIVQlauri_: "safely remove" is not in the icon theme
10:00.07lauri_and KDE does not look like windows
10:00.26lauri_(kde removing all your devices, without asking, *that* would look like windows)
10:00.39lauri_especially if it found them all twice over on the next startup
10:01.00lauri_I once saw a machine with 14 cd burners in it, according to windows info thingy
10:01.06benJImanIIVQ: I think thes safely remove thing depends on your distros mounting scheme, not sure, but it only appears in some distros
10:01.07IIVQwelll.... I installed an upgrade to kde 3.3 -> 3.4 and I have to reinstall all my settings
10:01.11IIVQall toolbars fucked up
10:01.15lauri_which was cool, since it didn't actually have any (but it did have two cd-rom's that windows didn't see)
10:01.28lauri_IIVQ: you need to shoot your packagers frankly
10:01.29IIVQbasically ... all the shortcuts that I really used stopped working ...
10:01.35IIVQstopped being there
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10:02.01IIVQlauri: gentoo
10:02.04IIVQbut I will
10:02.10IIVQlater, I'm moving
10:02.16lauri_IIVQ: I've done a lot of upgrades, and if left to it's own devices, since we put an enormous amount of work into (there's a whole application *just for*) migrating user settings through upgrades
10:02.44lauri_check what $KDEHOME is set to, check it's not versioned so you have like a ~/.kde3.3 and a ~/.kde3.4 or something
10:02.47IIVQthen the gentoo developers deserve a kick in the groin
10:02.57IIVQor two
10:03.00IIVQbye
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10:03.05lauri_if you do, shut down kde, symlink the little buggers, or copy the old one over hte new one, restart KDE
10:03.32benJImangentoo users always seem to have more problems than everyone else put together
10:03.43lauri_it's not so much that
10:03.48lauri_(i can't really say if they do or not)
10:03.59lauri_it's that gentoo does not support them
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10:04.25benJImanisn't there a gentoo channel?
10:04.42lauri_we used to get this with debian (a long time ago) - the debian people would send everyone here, if you just counted what went on in this channel, you'd think debianites had ten problems for every one of hte rest of the distributions put together
10:05.10lauri_maybe they do, I don't know, but we don't see them here, when they are packaging related (and they almost always are), because debian has a good support structure
10:05.31lauri_and yes there's a gentoo channel, but I've seen people come in *here* to ask kernel problems, because we're nice and won't kick them out, and the gentoo people are unfriendly :)
10:06.25lauri_so if you're a gentoo user, do yourselves a favour, and when someone asks gentoo specific problems here, *take them to #gentoo* and answer there
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10:08.00lauri_the other problem is, gentoo users (and some of their packagers) are not good at identifying what is and what is not a packaging related problem :)
10:09.12benJImanthere's even a #gentoo-kde
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10:14.09pRolphhi
10:14.19pRolphis anyone here using a mac?
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10:24.07v_Hi. Is there a way to change Konqueror's settings so that you must double click instead of single click to open files? I've gone through the 'Configure Konqueror' menu under Settings and can't seem to find the option.
10:24.56pinotreev_: kcontrol -> perhiperals -> mouse
10:25.29v_pinotree: Thank you.
10:25.36pinotreenp
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10:35.28v_One more question. In Konqueror, I have black text on a white background. When I click to rename a file, the text goes white. Is there anyway to correct this?
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10:37.04saulushello, im using gentoo, and after serious problems (my battery gone empty while update) i cant open webpages with konqueror. It says: Fails with kio_http
10:37.34aji-dahakasaulus: perhaps you've not gotten all of kdelibs installed?
10:38.21sauluskdelibs inherits kio_http ? I just need to know where the kio is in. After that i can kill that problem. And you aji-dahaka say thats in kdelibs?
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10:39.01aji-dahakakio_http should be in kdelibs
10:39.03aji-dahaka(iirc)
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10:39.52saulusok, i have a try. Thanks
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10:40.41aji-dahakahello
10:41.05ZukeroI just installed several locales for KDE, how can I make gdm let me choose one of these before starting KDE ?
10:41.09v_The white on white makes it difficult to rename the files without replacing everything
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10:42.09aji-dahakaZukero: I think you'd need a #gnome or #gdm channel for that, but I'm not sure it can
10:42.23aji-dahakaZukero: usually the locales are chosen on a user-by-user basis
10:42.45aji-dahakav_: is this possibly a setting in the colours dialogue?
10:42.56aji-dahakav_: kcontrol -> appearance & themes -> colours
10:43.02aumhi - i upgraded to kde 3.3.2 on debian - now all the toolbar icons in konq have disappeared - any ideas?
10:44.19Zukerook thx aji-dahaka
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10:45.32aumin fact, ALL my kde apps have blank (no) icons on the toolbars
10:46.07benJImanaum: sounds like a packaging problem, perhaps you havn't installed the newer icons, how old a version were you upgrading from?
10:46.20aum3.1 i think
10:46.38aji-dahakaaum: try changing your theme to something else and then back?
10:47.34aji-dahakathat's what cleared up my similar problem.
10:47.48aumi got no themes!
10:47.56lauri_none?
10:47.59aji-dahakathat seems wrong...
10:48.00lauri_you should have at least two
10:48.34lauri_you're wanting the icons control panel, not the theme manager one
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10:49.29Zukeroaji-dahaka : how can I set a locale for a given user ?
10:50.01aji-dahakaZukero: login as that user and go to kcontrol -> regional whatever
10:50.11Zukerook
10:50.19Zukerothx
10:50.19aji-dahakaZukero: and don't forget to set the relevant environment variables
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10:50.49Zukeroyeah
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10:52.39aumran the desktop setup wizard and all the icons came back :)
10:52.48aji-dahaka:)
10:52.50aji-dahakahooray!
10:52.52aumthx
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10:53.07Zukeroaji-dahaka : how can I make these environment variable definitive?
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10:53.17aumnow, does konqueror have multi-tab-row capability (like firefox)?
10:53.32aji-dahakaZukero: I would set it in the individual user's .xsession
10:53.44aji-dahakaaum: multi-tab-row?
10:54.10aumyes, when firefox has too many tabs open, it displays the tabs on multiple rows
10:54.29aji-dahakaZukero: umm...try adding something to the file ~/.xsession and see if it runs :)
10:54.41aji-dahakaZukero: it should get read by the xdm (in this case gdm)
10:54.53aji-dahakaaum: I think konq displays arrows
10:54.54Zukeroaji-dahaka : i did that once, it crashed the session :)
10:54.59aumeek
10:55.06aji-dahakaaum: I don't know if there's a way to change that behaviour
10:55.14aji-dahaka(emphasis on not knowing)
10:55.14aummulti-tab-row is a killer feature
10:56.01aji-dahakaZukero: it /shouldn't/ ... but you /may/ need to put the windowmanager in the .xsession, too ... more questions for a #gdm channel
10:56.05aji-dahakaZukero: kde uses kdm
10:56.25benJImanaum: tabs become counterproductive when you have large numbers like over 50
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10:56.47benJImanbetter to have a few related tabs on each window probably
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10:56.53aji-dahakaaum: I guess what I'm missing, is what happens if you keep going?
10:56.57aumbut tab-row scroll arrows are a pain when one has 10-40 tabs open
10:57.00aji-dahakaaum: does it eventually fill the whole browser with tabs?
10:57.09aji-dahakaaum: and if you keep going from there?
10:57.13aumyou can set a limit on number of tab rows
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10:59.26aji-dahakawelp, I'm off for a while
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11:38.27bbhow can i remove old entries from my Kmenu-most used applications?
11:40.23benJImanbb: ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc there's a recentapps section, dunno if there's a gui for doing it
11:41.07bbbenJIman: thanks, i'll remove them by hand :)
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12:17.20anisXerghh..
12:17.29anisXwhy this question is hard to answer!
12:17.38anisXgive three examples of problems likely to be encountered when operational database are integrated into data warehouse
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13:11.04lasindiI have a thin line that goes along the top of my taskbar. I can change it's color by changing the window background color. How can I get rid of it?
13:12.20StevenRlasindi: be reprogramming the widget would be the only way really
13:12.40aji-dahakalasindi: is that the background image one?  configure taskbar and get rid of the background image?
13:12.40lasindiStevenR, ah, you're here too. :)
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13:12.59StevenRlasindi: yup, i am here too
13:13.12pRolphhow long does it take to compile KDE?
13:13.26lasindipRolph, about 12 hours.
13:13.39pRolphAre you teasing?
13:13.42StevenRpRolph: as long as it takes....obviously it depends on your system
13:13.44lasindiDepends on your hardware too, but no.
13:13.52pRolphG5 512mb ram
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13:14.20pRolphwell I don't know if it's compiling
13:14.20lasindiI've got Athlon 3200, 1024 GB RAM.
13:14.20pRolphbut I get stuff like
13:14.21pRolphchecking whether to use Xpm library... maybe
13:14.21StevenRpRolph: i'd guess about 7hours, if it was doing nothign else at all
13:14.21pRolphfofi -I./../splash -I. -I/usr/X
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13:15.09Batchy1024 GB RAM !!!
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13:15.17Batchyi don't believe you :)
13:15.21lauriheh
13:15.40laurime either, but I suspect it was a typo :)
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13:16.11Forge5hi guys.  Where do you submit "feature wishis" to the KDE developers (For stuff that's well beyond your own skills) ?
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13:16.43pRolphand I was hopping for a 30 minute installation time
13:16.45laurifile them as wishlist items
13:16.58lauripRolph: installation of precompiled binary packages, wouldn't even take that lnog
13:17.01Forge5lauri. Thanks.
13:17.06lauribuilding it from scratch, takes a lot longer
13:17.23lauriand can hardly be called 'installation' (that's just a tiny fraction of what is happening)
13:18.30pRolphI just wanted to try kdevelop :(
13:18.39laurithen install the binaries
13:18.42lauriyou'd have been done already
13:19.11lauri(and you don't need all of kde, you probably want kdelibs, base and maybe sdk, and kdevelop itself)
13:20.20pRolphlauri: I'm a nut case, I'm on Mac OS X
13:20.45annmapRolph: just install a ppc distro
13:21.05pRolphLink? I've been trying to get one :(
13:21.18annmagoogle for ppc linux distribution
13:21.55laurifink, or opendarwin, don't one of them make packages for os X?
13:22.06pRolphApparently not for Tiger
13:22.53laurioh ok :(
13:22.59lauriyou're in for a bit of a wait then
13:23.09lauribut if you only compile hte stuff I said, it's a much shorter wait
13:23.37laurihalf, at least, probably more (I don't really time builds, I run them overnight, I can't give you real numbers)
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13:26.12StevenRlauri: just out of curiosity, what distro do you use?
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13:27.27aji-dahakafreebsd
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13:30.21lauriheh, I was in another window
13:30.25lauriand yes, FreeBSD
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13:35.02exposeHi
13:35.16laurihi
13:35.40exposehow do i convince kwin that it is a nice idea to save the windows position and size of firefox, konqueror etc so it gets started maximized the next time also?
13:35.52exposekde 3.4.1
13:35.54StevenRlauri: on what hardware? do you happen to know if it will work on a nforce2 system?
13:36.06exposePieD: ping
13:36.11StevenRexpose: set app specifc window parameters in kcontrol
13:36.17PieDexpose: pong :)
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13:36.36PieDexpose: too late, StevenR answered :)
13:36.40lauriyes, with the caveat, there's a whole lot of completely different stuff being sold with an nforce2 badge stuck on it
13:37.04StevenRlauri: it's an asus nforce2 based mobo
13:37.08exposePieD: recorded the speech, but i did some mistakes while recording. so it has been useless, except the first few words where they welcome everyone. sorry
13:37.15laurigrab a freesbie livecd
13:37.25StevenRlauri: can you recommend a good one?
13:37.25laurisee if it'll boot, and what it sees on your motherboard
13:37.27PieDho yes, the speech... I forgot it :/
13:37.39lauriyes: freesbie is the name of hte live cd distribution
13:37.50StevenRlauri: i tried one, and it did boot, but when i say work i mean sound and network and usb and all the other stuff
13:38.11lauriI don't know
13:38.17StevenRyeah that was what i tried, but i didn't know how to get the net up
13:38.18laurithere's *dozens* of nforce2 boards
13:38.24StevenRok, thanks anyways :)
13:38.29laurimost of them work
13:38.37lauribut I can't promise you anything, I simply don't know
13:38.43exposeStevenR: cant i "preset" it to save it all the time for every app?
13:38.45StevenRthat's cool
13:38.53StevenRexpose: ?
13:38.57lauriespecially if it's very new (it moves *fast* though, if it doesn't work now, it might very well do in 2 weeks or a month)
13:39.12StevenRthe mobo is nearly 2yr old now
13:39.27laurioh, that's just about a sure bet then
13:39.34StevenRcool :)
13:39.56StevenRexpose: what do you mean exactly?
13:40.01exposeWell. I want app applications to have exactly the same size and position after closing and reopening.
13:40.28exposeand i dont want to set a "secial case" for every application in kcontrol....that's far too much work...
13:41.02aji-dahakaexpose: you want all programs to open the exact same size and place?
13:41.07StevenRhow many apps do you want?
13:41.24exposeAll installed applications stevenr
13:41.32exposeaji-dahaka: yes.
13:41.46aji-dahakaexpose: may I ask why?
13:42.15StevenRexpose: then change the options for window placement
13:42.15lauriStevenR: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/hardware-i386.html#SUPPORT
13:42.23lauridig through that for nforce (it'll be listed a lot, under each device type)
13:42.28StevenRlauri +++++
13:42.33StevenRty
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13:42.34lauriand if it's *not* on there, that doesn't mean it's not supported
13:42.39StevenR:)
13:42.44lauribut if it's on there, it's *definitely* supported :)
13:42.50exposeaji-dahaka: wait a second. translating, testing, searching
13:43.20exposeStevenR: where can i find it?
13:43.27StevenRin kcontrol
13:43.37StevenRunder desktop
13:45.08exposehm. well. i cannot find anything there....
13:45.35StevenRlauri: well sounds is known to work, and network...might work
13:45.49exposecan you tell me the exact place? i feel blind :-|
13:47.06StevenRexpose: i can't seem to see it :S
13:47.31exposeso you cant find it either?
13:48.33exposei think i just got it.
13:48.39StevenRwhere?
13:49.16exposeWell...
13:49.43exposeI went to kcontrol -> desktop -> windowspecific settings -> new
13:50.07pRolphcan freebsd be much easier to install compared to Linux?
13:50.12exposethen i made a generic "windowspecific setting", that fits all "normal windows" so, no dialog boxes etc
13:50.21StevenRhmm, that might work
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13:50.30exposethen i switched size and position to "remember" and left it alone.
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13:50.54StevenRexpose: that might work...:)
13:50.59exposepRolph: this question is not answerable, since you used "can" in it...
13:51.09pRolphbut in general
13:51.32exposepRolph: if you want me to, i can build a freebsd/linux distributions that will take you 34 years to install ;-)
13:51.56pRolphlol
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13:52.12exposeStevenR: it actually does. but i'm not sure wether there is a "cleaner" way to achive this...
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13:52.32StevenRexpose: i don't think so, seem you hit the answer there
13:52.35pRolphWell ok, more like which has better hardware support?
13:52.44exposelinux.
13:53.27lauriok, is leonid mamchenkov here?
13:54.15exposepRolph: Okay. Since you asked this question, i assume you arent that experienced and so on. otherwise you could have answered it yourself. conclusion: use linux, instead of *bsd
13:54.40exposepRolph: When you are to use bsd, you wont need to ask anything in order to install it then.
13:54.44expose:-)
13:54.52pRolphare you telling me 'I've never done it before' ?
13:55.13exposedone what? install bsd? i did.
13:55.31pRolphand did you like it?
13:56.10exposei ran an openbsd server for quite a while. but i dont consider bsd as suiteable for a desktop user that needs to ask the question you asked :-)
13:56.33pRolphok
13:56.52exposeif at all suiteable for a desktop, considering support of software and hardware vendors and the missing availability of some applications.
13:57.26expose(of course all this may change in the future, but i think of whats now)
13:57.40lauriopenbsd may not be, but that has nothing to do with freebsd
13:57.55lauridifferent kernel, different development for ~10 years, different packaging, different strategy
13:58.14lauriyou may as well base your opinion of linux on having run solaris before
13:58.17pRolphWhat for Linux?
13:59.03aji-dahakaI think freebsd is a great desktop os
13:59.05laurithis is really not the place to ask for os or distribution recommendations anyway, go find a bunch of livecd's and try them
13:59.07aji-dahakaespecially for computer beginners
13:59.13aji-dahaka:)
13:59.26exposelauri: well. Since he asks this i wouldnt assumed that he isnt knowing that much. so id suggest linux which is the most main-stream opensource system afaik.
13:59.30lauri(KDE is desktop agnostic)
13:59.52aji-dahakaexpose: linux is NOT an operating system
13:59.56laurihe asked about freebsd, you told him about openbsd
14:00.09lauriirrelevant answer to an off topic question
14:00.24exposeaji-dahaka: it's a kernel. now dont be over-precise and expect me to say "GNU/Linux" or whatsoever.
14:00.28lauriand, end of conversation
14:00.38expose:-)
14:00.47lauri(why? because it very quickly degenerates into silly fights over what to *call* the damn thing :)
14:00.59aji-dahakaexpose: well, each distro would be an OS and none of them are as popular as freebsd...anyways...off to do something productive
14:01.19exposeack. it's a religious question, which always has irrational answers :P
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14:01.55exposeStevenR: it doesnt work.
14:02.01StevenRexpose: ?
14:02.03pRolphHave you tried mac os x?
14:02.12exposepRolph: please...
14:02.29bayertmI've run Freebsd on a desktop for awhile
14:02.34exposeand besides i have a 1.2k euro mac in house.
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14:03.19exposeStevenR: Well. When i run app A, app B will have the same window-settings as app A had.
14:03.22lauri*enough* already
14:03.23woodenhi
14:03.24exposethat's not what i wanted.
14:03.32exposehi wooden
14:03.48woodencan i configure kmail to make every account a own incoming, ourgoing ... ?
14:03.52woodenlike in thunderbird
14:03.54StevenRexpose: i did say it might work, i don't know really..sorry
14:04.04exposeokay.
14:04.15lauriwooden: look at the identities
14:04.17StevenRexpose: it's something i've never tried to do
14:04.35lauriyou can have different identities per incoming server, and set different outgoing ones per identity (you can even have the identity change per folder)
14:04.54woodenlauri: there is nothing
14:04.56StevenRlauri: hehe...there's another big unix/bsd/linux debate in ##slackware as well
14:05.44lauriwell, go there then
14:05.44exposeStevenR: well - how do you do this then? do you resize firefox/konqueror etc every single time you fire it up!?
14:05.52lauriI won't kick you out of *there* for it :)
14:05.59exposeHm.
14:06.09lauriwooden: what do you mean there is nothing?
14:06.18lauriadd more identities if you want them
14:06.23StevenRexpose: well konqueror's size is saved in the profile, firefox just comes up maximised cos it does
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14:06.51StevenRexpose: everything just sorta works here, the only thing i had to force was Eterm to have it stuck to the desktop
14:07.08woodenlauri: there is no option i need
14:07.25woodeni want for all accounts a own folder with incoming, outgoing, trash....
14:07.37lauriok, then set them that way
14:07.42lauri(kmail can do that too)
14:07.48exposeStevenR: yes....just realized that it does so here now again also. dont ask why. but it always did so, gave up working for a day or two (wasnt maximized) and now, after deleting the window-specific setting does again...lets forget about it
14:07.50woodenhow??
14:08.14StevenRexpose: hehe :) magic pixies, possibly faeries
14:08.17lauriin each incoming accounts dialog, you can set a trash folder
14:08.34laurifor each identity (which you can attach to a particular account) you can specify a drafts and sent-mail folder)
14:08.56exposeStevenR: yes. i think so too :-)
14:09.15exposeI use konsole, so i dont have this problem
14:09.32StevenRexpose: i have Eterm nailed to the desktop to show top and mbmon
14:09.41StevenRi use konsole for my term mostly
14:09.49expose.oO(...and my girlfriend ;-) ...)
14:11.22exposeI dont have any monitors on the desktop...just a few items. trying to keep it simple, not-nervous, clean and calm :-)
14:11.33exposes/items/icons/
14:11.43exposeokay. going on working....thank's StevenR
14:11.48StevenRnp
14:12.00StevenRi have a few random icons
14:12.14exposefor giving the not-working solution that in the end fixed it in it's magical way :-)
14:12.22StevenRhehe
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14:16.19mastertetHey everyone
14:16.39mastertetjust started using kde, it has a nice system config tool (just what I was missing)
14:16.59elvstonehey anyone had "Unable to save picture - upload failed" when trying to save an image in Kolourpaint?
14:17.07mastertetI love AfterStep and I would like to use it with KDE, how can I change KDE window manager?
14:17.20mastertetI'm using Slackware with KDE 3.3
14:17.42elvstonei _really_ need to save this picture.
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14:18.17StevenRelvstone: save it locally
14:18.36elvstoneStevenR: that's what i'm doing.
14:18.44laurielvstone: ksnaphsot it :)
14:18.46StevenRelvstone: out of disk space?
14:18.59elvstonenoop. i have GBs of space.
14:19.16StevenRtrying to save it somewhere where you dont have write permissions? check them
14:19.37elvstoneStevenR: i just saved another picture to the exact same location, from kolourpaint.
14:20.12StevenRtry to save it using a different name
14:20.15elvstonelauri: unfortunately, the image is larger in the y axis than what my monitor is capable of showing.. otherwise i might have ksnapshotted it.
14:20.23laurioh darn
14:20.32laurielvstone: try save as another format
14:20.50lauriit could be just the kimgio thingy for that format is busted, and we can debug that later, but lets get your picture saved first
14:21.03lauri(there's been a rash of jpeg weirdness around lately)
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14:21.19elvstoneweird, saving as "sejersted.png" instead of "sejersted:socialdemokratin.png" worked.
14:21.39StevenRi don't think you can have : in a filename
14:21.52elvstonebut i just saved a file with the name "g?rdenfors:tankens.png" successfully.
14:22.03StevenRhmmm..
14:22.04elvstonewhy can't i have ':' in a file name?
14:22.12StevenRi don't know if you can or not
14:22.20lauridon't know, why can't you?
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14:22.34lauriyou saving on a samba share?
14:22.39elvstonenoop. locally.
14:22.41elvstoneto ~.
14:22.47elvstoneokay. it worked for one file name, not another (with : that is).
14:22.58elvstonei'll see if it's related to the length of the filename somehow..
14:23.15laurihow odd
14:23.23lauriI use :: all the time (as a delimiter in patches)
14:23.34lauriso I can remember where to apply them again
14:23.50lauri(like svn::kdelibs::thingy::somewhere::foo.cpp.patch)
14:23.50elvstoneyep. that's the format the patches for freebsd ports use too.
14:24.01lauriheh, where do you think I learnt it (from making port patches :)
14:24.46elvstoneah ;)
14:24.51elvstonehrm. this is truly weird.
14:24.52laurialthough mostly it's '-' now
14:24.59lauribut i like the old way :)
14:25.07laurithen I can use - as a word delimiter too
14:25.18lauriwithout confusing myself (which is something oh so easily done9
14:25.34elvstonei'm having the same image open in kolourpaint.. if i try to save the buffer as sejersted:socialdemokratin.png i get an error, if i save it as g?rdenfors:tankens.png, it works.
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14:26.13laurihumm
14:26.19lauriI give up
14:26.29laurifrom your second filename, are you running in a utf8-locale?
14:26.49laurithe only (off the wall) suggestin I can come up with is that :s is unicode for something (ie, it looks to the app like a double encode byte in the filename)
14:26.58elvstonei used to run KDE with sv_SE.UTF-8, but now i'm using sv_SE again.
14:27.01lauribut that'd be stupid
14:27.52laurielvstone: yeah, I hit big issues with smb using sv_SE.UTF-8, but sv_SE.8859-15 is fine (did you log out and back in after that, because your filename as pasted here still showing with a ? in it, like it's the wrong encoding)
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14:29.16elvstonei've rebooted since i removed 'export LANG="sv_SE.UTF-8"' from ~/.kde/env/locale.sh..
14:29.44elvstone(btw i tried saving as sejersted:tocialdemokratin.png, with same error).
14:30.06elvstone(changed to ':s' to ':t', as in the file name that worked).
14:30.22laurimaybe it's objecting to your political leanings?
14:30.33elvstonecould be. hrm.
14:30.41elvstoneoh well, i can stand this for now.. need to get this done.
14:30.44laurimaybe try moderaterna :)
14:31.07elvstoneyea, there's a kcontrol setting for that somewhere, right? ;)
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14:31.28lauriheh, why not, we have kcontrol settings for everything :)
14:32.36elvstonerenaming sejersted.png to sejersted:socialdemokratins.png worked fine.
14:33.02laurioooh
14:33.07lauri"Could not save remote file"
14:33.47laurithat's defniitely a bug
14:34.11elvstoneno. it's "Could not save image - failed to upload" i think.
14:34.27laurii tried kedit (in english)
14:34.27elvstone(i'm getting the string in swedish).
14:35.08elvstoneokay, and you got a similar error when trying to save locally? the error string is a bit misleading to say the least.
14:35.29lauriyou can quote it
14:35.35lauri"foo:bar.txt" works
14:35.42laurisaves you a file called.... "foo:bar.txt"
14:35.43lauri:)
14:36.02elvstoneincluding the double quotes?
14:36.08lauriyup :)
14:36.23lauriand you can save: foo\:too.txt
14:36.32lauriwhich literally gets you a file named that
14:36.49elvstoneah. oh well. i just have to do this for 10 or so book covers, so i'll manage with renaming them later on.
14:36.53lauribut anything alpha numeric before the : and it tries to parse teh beginning bit as a hostname i think
14:36.59elvstonebtw i'm doing a product catalog for my dads publishing company, and right now i'm cutting some covers from acroread7 and pasting them into kolourpaint from old an old broschure PDF (for some reason Gimp coudn't see the clipboard).
14:37.09lauriheh
14:37.18lauriyou can cut them beautifully in kpdf, you know?
14:37.46elvstonewell, acroread has a setting to override the extract resolution.
14:37.50elvstoneotherwise i'd use kpdf.
14:38.09elvstoneso the socialdemokratins in the filename does not pertain to my political beliefs, just a book title.. that's what i wanted to say ;)
14:38.10lauriok, I'll let you off
14:38.22lauriheh, dude, I knew that :)
14:38.32laurii mean, i didn't assume that it did
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14:38.47elvstoneheh.
14:39.05elvstones/slavery/slaving/, oops.
14:39.24lauribesides, I like them right now
14:39.46elvstonethey did something good? ;)
14:40.03randcoopI'm working with a live cd...I need to be able to tell kde (kontact, kmail) to invoke aspell from the klik cmg package (instead of looking in the /usr/bin).  Does anyone know how I might do that?
14:40.04lauriyeah, they changed some immigrationverket stuff
14:40.29elvstoneah. well that's good then.
14:40.47lauriso I get to skip the line and go straight to the front, instead of the usual, get 34 different stories from everyone you talk to, and 8 weeks for them to tell you they need 14 more bits of paper and 10 months to notice they still need another 11 and in some different language than you already have them
14:41.13laurinow I find that stuff out right away :)
14:41.14elvstonedamn that sounds so swedish. good for you.
14:41.43lauriit's not me, it's my smallest daughter (some time when you are not busy, remind me to tell you the story :)
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14:42.59elvstoneheh, i see. come to think of it, i remember reading your website some time, you're in Motala or something right?
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14:43.39elvstonei'm in Nora (outside Orebro). this day is killing me. almost 30 in the shade!
14:44.01elvstoneoh well i need to get back to work..
14:44.10lauriheh, you're right next door
14:44.12lauriI'm in Köping
14:44.49elvstoneah, right.
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14:46.43StevenRis there any way i can restrict the amount of space kde takes up with image thumbnails?
14:47.03StevenRcurrently my .thumbnails dir is 323MB
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14:47.20lauriouch
14:47.37laurioff the top of my head,
14:47.41lauriI don't remember
14:47.58StevenRi've looked all over kcontrol
14:48.07lauriyou can empty it
14:48.10lauribut that's silly
14:48.20StevenRthat's doesn't solve the problem
14:48.25laurijust a way of 'remove it if I haven't called for this thumbnail in X days" would be better
14:49.26laurithe .thumbnails is xdg stuff though, lets go look at that spec and see if there's anything in there about it
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14:51.45lauriwell, and that completely doesn't even mention anything about the size of the cache
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14:53.55laurisorry, I can't help you with that one
14:54.59StevenR:(
14:55.04StevenRthanks anyway
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14:56.42StevenRsome of them are very very old
14:56.59lauriwell, find can easily dig them out and remove them
14:57.07lauriand you know it'll recreate them if they are needed
14:57.30lauridepending on your os and settings, you might be able to search against atime to grab the ones least accessed, and remove them
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14:59.00elvstonemaybe set up a cron job with 'find /your/home/.thumbnails -amin 1440+ -exec rm {} \;'
14:59.04elvstoneor something like that.
14:59.23StevenRhmm..maybe
14:59.46StevenRi'd much rather i could just set it to not allow as much space to be taken up
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15:00.14StevenR324mb now
15:00.37illogic-alhoohaa
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15:01.03elvstone(btw i meant +1440 above).. hrm you could do a little script that decreases that number until du -h /your/home/.thumbnails returns < <your desired size>.
15:01.13illogic-altook me a while but i finally managed to connect from school.
15:01.23illogic-alhola boys n' girls
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15:04.49texnofobixKDE ... the best thing since DOS :P
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15:05.29laurihey illogic-al :)
15:05.45illogic-alheya lauri
15:05.54lauriStevenR: and what, not make new thumbnails for new images if it's over that space?
15:06.18StevenRlauri: no, reuse the space
15:06.21lauriany configuration option would have to flush the old entries anyway, and since there is curentlyno way to do that (please do file a wishlist item)
15:06.31lauriand how would it decide which ones to reuse?
15:06.33laurioldest ones?
15:06.44lauriwhat if it's the first thumbnail made, but you look at that file every day
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15:06.54laurileast accessed? least recently accessed?
15:07.05StevenRlauri: least recently accessed?
15:07.16lauri(that's why I suggested you use that as a parameter to your find to clean them up yourself in the meantime)
15:07.45StevenRhmm, possibly the the best way :S
15:07.59lauriright :)
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15:08.21lauriif you have atime available at least
15:08.38StevenRwhich i think i do, cos i never said i didn't want it
15:08.44laurinot everyone does (and yuo can turn it off on a lot of filesystems, it makes things go a lot faster)
15:08.59lauriwell, in some circumstances
15:13.06StevenRhmm..where would i file a wish for that
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15:15.46illogic-althe same place you file a wish for everything else
15:15.49illogic-alb
15:15.50illogic-alk
15:15.50illogic-alo
15:16.06StevenRbut where exactly
15:16.42StevenRillogic-al: bko was obvious, but bko is very big
15:16.53illogic-alStevenR: what're you tryin'?
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15:17.42StevenRillogic-al: image thumbnails
15:18.35StevenRillogic-al: i'll look into it more later, should really be working now
15:19.59illogic-alStevenR: to preview pictures in the file manager right?
15:20.10StevenRyes
15:22.39illogic-alStevenR: the problem is that some show up and some don't ?
15:23.07StevenRillogic-al: no, the problem is that my .thumbnails dir takes up 324MB
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15:25.28illogic-aloh
15:26.24illogic-aland you wanna delete files every now an then. i guess that could be a control center option
15:26.32illogic-alyet another  one
15:26.58StevenRillogic-al: which is very very huge, and last time i deleted all the files it went into a big big scary memory leak every time i tried to preview and svg
15:27.48illogic-alaooch.
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15:32.59praseodymiumcan konqueror work with svn working copies?
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15:33.16illogic-aleh?
15:33.28praseodymiumeh what
15:33.43praseodymiumlike turtoisesvn can
15:34.26illogic-aldon't mind me. i just haven't the foggiest as to what you're talking about.
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15:40.40StevenRillogic-al: lauri: someone got there before me:  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79943
15:41.39eille-lahi, I set my keyboard keyset as a normal "us" one, but when typing the quote key, I must press the space after to see it appear, or if a press the quote key 2 times, this char ` appear, anyone would know how to fix this?
15:42.03illogic-alStevenR: you searched?!
15:42.08illogic-ali salute you sir.
15:42.21illogic-ali take my (non-existent0 hat off to you.
15:42.24StevenRillogic-al: yup, took a little refining, but there's bug filed for it
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15:43.01StevenR427M    .thumbnails/normal
15:43.03StevenReek!
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15:43.28lauriI searched too, I didn't find that one though
15:43.47StevenRhmm..why does filelight disagree with du
15:44.25StevenRdu says 427M, filelight says 297M for the same dir :S
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15:52.47StevenReros: not yet, not tried it
15:53.03erosit's fun ^_^
15:56.46illogic-alsudoku/
15:56.56illogic-als/\//?
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16:11.52Speedy2Normally, the default KDE desktop has an icon for "Home" and "System" on the desktop, right?
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17:15.41seekHimanybody awake?
17:15.54aseigono
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17:16.15seekHimaseigo: Good, then I'll ask you about what I need to know :P
17:16.17aseigo(along with that explaination)
17:16.17mastertetIs there something analog to Gnome Beagle in KDE
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17:16.55seekHimaseigo: any idea why kweather on kde 3.3.2 doesn't update every hour?
17:17.11aseigomastertet: not really. there's kat, which is close, but doesn't have the live application searches for instance
17:17.24aseigoseekHim: is that what you have the update interval set to?
17:17.45aseigomastertet: kde4 will likely have tenor which is shaping up to be even nicer than beagle.
17:17.51seekHimaseigo: I'm not 100% sure what it's set to.  I think it's set to 1, or some silly thing like that.
17:17.54aseigomastertet: well, not that beagle works really well at all today anyways
17:18.10mastertetaseigo, mmm, is kat a part of kde 3.3? I don't have it
17:18.22aseigomastertet: no, it's an add on.. go to kde-apps.org
17:18.26mastertetok
17:18.47seekHimaseigo: There's no configuration for how often it updates. ??
17:18.52mastertetI was thinking that kde was bloaty, actually, it runs faster than gnome and use less memory here :D
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17:19.05aseigomastertet: common misconception, yes
17:19.16mastertetapps start very fast
17:19.24aseigo=)
17:19.36rileyi can't seem to get mplayer's sound to work while arts is running... i've tried artsdsp and had no luck... it still says "could not open/initialize audio device" when arts is running
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17:19.52aseigomastertet: gnome was slimmer when it was gnome 1.4 vs kde 2 .... though gnome1 vs kde1 was in kde's favour
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17:20.07Speedy2aseigo: Greetings.
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17:20.11aseigomastertet: and our start up speed sucked right through until the early 3.x series
17:20.13FlendorHello.
17:20.14aseigoSpeedy2: hey
17:20.19aseigoFlendor: yo
17:20.22ibrahimHi..
17:20.33aseigomastertet: but you know how it is... old impresson die hard =)
17:20.35FlendorHey there aseigo :) Merhaba ibrahim..
17:20.35Speedy2KDE 1.x start-up times weren't bad
17:20.45aseigokde1 start up times were pretty damn great =)
17:20.56mastertetaseigo, yes
17:21.02aseigoriley: mplayer -ao arts
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17:21.31aseigoseekHim: yes, there is.. if you right click the applet you can configure it.. or click on the applet handle's menu
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17:22.06seekHimaseigo: Ok, I went into the configuration dialogue.  There's nothing there for update frequency, anywhere.
17:22.08mastertetaseigo, I switched because Slackware doesn't suppurt Gnome anymore, I'm surprised by kde. Is the theming difficult to handle (cause gtk2-rc is very easy)
17:22.13Speedy2aseigo: I noticed that KDE 3.4.1 with the same Win2000 fonts (Tahoma, 8pt) is actually harder to read with anti-aliasing turned on.  I assume this has to do with the way freetype is doing anti-aliasing using the non-proprietary algorithms?
17:22.22aseigoseekHim: i'm just updating my build.. give me two minutes =)
17:22.33seekHimaseigo: Sure, thanks.
17:22.39aseigoSpeedy2: yes. best to turn off the AA for small font sizes
17:22.50Speedy2aseigo: Is there a way to control this manually?
17:23.00Speedy2i.e. AA off for fonts <= 8pt ?
17:23.12aseigomastertet: it's pretty easy =) just go into the control panel and play around in Appearance & Themes area
17:23.22_stianWow, KDE 1... never had the luck to try that one.
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17:23.25mastertetok, thanks aseigo
17:23.26aseigomastertet: in particular the theme manager is a one stop shop for all that stuff
17:23.37rileyaseigo: for some reason it's still not working...
17:23.45vanRijnPhilRod: actually, it's quite entertaining watching aseigo bounce around amongst them all.  =;)
17:23.50PhilRodheh
17:24.05woodenhow to define the speeds for downloading in kget? its gray and not click/setup able
17:24.07Speedy2benJIman: I have a high quality 19" monitor (Mitsubishi DiamondPro 900u)
17:24.07aseigovanRijn: hehe.. yep, here for your entertainment ;)
17:24.12vanRijnlol
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17:24.39PhilRodriley: mplayer has "-ao arts"
17:24.42aseigoriley: perhaps mplayer wasn't compiled with arts support? because "mplayer -ao arts" works rather well
17:24.50aseigoPhilRod: yeah, that's what i told him to do =)
17:25.14PhilRoda wooden CRT? interesting
17:25.18vanRijnlol
17:25.23vanRijnI read it that way too
17:25.24vanRijnheh
17:25.26woodenemac :)
17:25.31benJImanfonts look worse on TFTs anyway
17:25.33rileyaseigo: hmm... i guess i'll try recompiling it then
17:25.42benJImanunless you're comparing to cheap shadow mask crts
17:25.44aseigoriley: make sure you have the arts devel headers installed
17:25.51aseigoriley: otherwise recompiling won't help =)
17:26.01vanRijner
17:26.10vanRijnor is there an mplayer-arts package?
17:26.21Speedy2KDE's media folder is ppulated with the mounted drives, but no "mount" name is shown.  If I put a link to the media on the desktop, icon changes from an HDD to a symlink -- suggestions?
17:26.30Speedy2err ppulated == populated
17:26.51rileyaseigo: thanks for that lol and yeah i just ran mplayer -ao help and it didn't list arts as compiled in
17:29.11rileyaseigo: i'm not finding arts-devel in my apt repositories... will libarts1-dev do it?
17:30.17vanRijnyes
17:30.28vanRijnriley: what distro are you using?
17:30.34rileykubuntu
17:31.15vanRijnah
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17:32.24vanRijndid you try "sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer libarts1"?
17:32.37lauriSpeedy2: what version of kde, running on what?
17:33.18rileyvanRijn: mplayer isn't in the kubuntu repositories so i compiled it myself
17:34.19vanRijndid you enable the universe/multiverse repos?
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17:34.43rileyuniverse, yes... multiverse, no
17:34.58Speedy2lauri: I am running KDE 3.4.1
17:35.02laurion?
17:35.15Speedy2lauri: On Kubuntu 5.04, with hopefully a stock KDE configuration (now)
17:35.18vanRijnhttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21138.html
17:35.33rileybut i compiled mplayer before i knew about universe, so it might be in there
17:35.54lauriok, it matters, ervin just fixed a bug that was causing nearly what you describe, but it's not applicable to linux distributions
17:35.57vanRijnriley: no, check that link out--it's in multiverse
17:36.10lauriit's very important to always say what you're running, and where, the answers can vary greatly
17:36.23lauri(and I unfortunately can't help you with that one)
17:36.27Speedy2lauri: Understood.  When I open media:/ what "should" I see?
17:36.38rileyvanRijn: ok, thanks
17:36.41laurian icon for every device you have (at least the ones listed in fstab)
17:36.44Speedy2I just see "14 GB drive", "4.3 GB drive", etc.
17:36.47lauriwith an indication if they are mounted or not
17:37.03Speedy2lauri: Ok, the names of the icons aren't in anyway reflected by the mount point name?
17:37.06lauri(with my current icon theme, it's a little green circle, sometimes it's a play symbol triangle)
17:37.20laurimine are
17:37.25vanRijnriley: np.  =:)
17:37.28Speedy2lauri: Mine are not.  Anyway to change that?
17:37.33lauriI don't know
17:37.51Speedy2lauri: What OS and version of KDE are your running?
17:37.53aseigoseekHim: still here?
17:37.55aseigowoah
17:37.56aseigohaha
17:37.58seekHimaseigo: nope :P
17:37.59lauriI've never used media before today, because it didn't work (because ervin just fixed the bug that made nothing appear in it)
17:38.19aseigoseekHim: good answer. so, looking at it.. yeah, i'm not sure where the kweatherservice configuration has gone to =/
17:38.19lauriI'm running svn trunk on FreeBSD
17:38.27Speedy2lauri: Understodo
17:38.29aseigoseekHim: i'm about to take a glance at the source... give me 2 seconds
17:38.30Speedy2Understood even
17:38.36seekHimaseigo: Ok, thanks.
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17:39.23prurigroI connected to my home network with kwifimanager and everything seems to have gone perfectly, but it never gave me an IP-- anyone know what I have to do for that?
17:40.08lauridid you try just right click and change the name?
17:40.10laurithat worked for me
17:40.40prurigrowhat do you mean?
17:41.27laurisorry, I was speaking to Speedy
17:41.34lauriSpeedy2: just select one, hit f2, type something
17:41.41prurigroahh
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17:41.58bayertmdoes anyone know a good FTP client for KDE that can do sftp?
17:42.28benJImankonqueror?
17:42.34woodenkbear
17:42.35prurigro]dunno about sftp, but kbear
17:42.36Speedy2lauri: OK, the renaming of course worked.  I wasn't sure if it would attempt to rename the mount point or not.  Copying the icon to the desktop tried to copy the contents of the drive to my desktop -- non-Windows like (it's sometimes hard to tell which paradigms were followed and which ones were ignored)
17:42.38prurigrois decent
17:42.49bayertmI can't get kbear or konq to work with sftp
17:43.01benJImankonqueror should work with sftp I think
17:43.21aseigoseekHim: it seems to be hardcoded at 15mins
17:43.33bayertmkonq just keeps saying "Authentication failed."
17:43.38aseigoseekHim: you can update it manually by hitting the "update all" button inthe config dialog though..
17:43.49aseigoseekHim: or the Update Now entry in the applet's context menu
17:44.00seekHimaseigo: funny...  it's 11:43 am here, and it hasn't updated since 8:00am.
17:44.16aseigoseekHim: odd.. try the "Update Now" entry and see what happens
17:44.20Speedy2Ah!
17:44.34lauriSpeedy2: if you want the icons (live) on your desktop, right click on the desktop, and choose 'configure desktop' and find the dynamic devices and pick the ones you want
17:44.43Speedy2lauri: I just figured it out! ;)
17:44.51lauriSpeedy2: or, right click and drag the icon out of media:/
17:44.54Speedy2Control Center, Desktop, Behavior, Device Icons (etc)
17:45.00seekHimaseigo: nuffin'.
17:45.18aseigoseekHim: hm... sounds like the weatherservice isn't running then. =/
17:45.46seekHimaseigo: oh.  I need a daemon behind it?
17:45.53Speedy2lauri: When I drag it out of media, it ends up asking if I want to copy it, or make a link, when I make a link it ends up creating an icon that  doesn't have the disk drive icon, etc
17:45.55aseigoit should be started automatically
17:46.23seekHimaseigo: *Hmmm.......* that's kinda funny.....
17:46.30aseigoseekHim: if you open up kdcop do you see a KWeatherService entry? or... what does `ps ax | grep kweather` give you?
17:46.42lauriok, I wasn't sure if that'd work (but it's ok, because there's a better way to do it)
17:47.09Speedy2lauri: What's the better way?
17:47.18Speedy2lauri: The Control-Panel way worked for me
17:47.39seekHim[root@grace colin]# ps aux | grep kweather
17:47.39seekHimcolin    14168  0.0  1.9  26648  6244 ?        S    Jul08   1:03 kweatherservice
17:47.39seekHimroot      1770  0.0  0.2   1892   652 pts/6    S+   11:47   0:00 grep kweather
17:48.16aseigoseekHim: hm. ok. so it's running. quite odd.
17:48.28aseigolauri: moin =)
17:48.29seekHimaseigo: Yeah.
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17:49.34Speedy2This is a bizarre one.  When firefox is loading, the qt-gtk theming engine works, but when Firefox is closed, synaptic reverts back to it's own fonts
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17:50.38PieDSpeedy2: it's simple : don't use gtk nor any gtk apps, it sucks :p
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17:51.07Speedy2PieD: Extremism is unhealthy.
17:51.20TheoryPieD: yeah, far better to just use windows :-)
17:51.23PieDgtk is unhealthy too !
17:51.25seekHimaseigo: looks like kweather is updating three hours behind.  (shows what the temperature was at 8:00am at 11:00am)  Doesn't update on the hour, either.
17:51.44PieDKDE and Qt are wonderful enough
17:52.09PieDwhy do we need firefox for instance ?
17:52.20PieD(answer : to realize how fast konqueror starts)
17:52.26Theorybecause konqi borks on some sites...
17:52.31Speedy2PieD: Because some of us switch between multiple OSes and we like to use the same browswer with the same set of plug-ins (for one)
17:52.55PieDsame plugins ? where is the quicktime plugin for firefox under linux ?
17:53.00Speedy2PieD: A number of the plug-ins for Firefox have no equivalents in Konqeror
17:53.22Speedy2PieD: I don't really care about QuickTime, but that's me
17:53.32PieDho, extensions != plugins !
17:53.35Speedy2If I want to watch a video, I'll wget it and load mplayer/kmplayer , etc
17:53.50Speedy2PieD: You're right, I'm sorry, I meant extensions
17:53.59PieDand I didn't use any extension when I used firefox
17:54.15PieDperhaps sometime webdeveloper was useful...
17:54.15Doktoreasguys i can use my scanneer with xsane
17:54.26Doktoreasbut kooka tell me that sane is not cofigured
17:54.30PieDthe only extension I needed was venkman, and it didn't work
17:54.44Speedy2PieD: Although this might be offtopic for #kde, my favorite plug-ins are : Adblock, Flashblock and Tabbrowser Extentions
17:54.50Speedy2err, extentions
17:54.56PieDadblock exists for Konqueror
17:55.05PieD(it's only in the svn)
17:55.24PieDtabbrowser provide too much features, it can't be described cleary
17:55.44PieDand flashblock ... I've my own solution : no flash plugin :)
17:56.21Speedy2PieD: I agree to tabbrowser doing too much, but it adds the close on tab button, tab re-ordering and a few other nice features.  And with respect to flash, unfortunetly, some stupid sites *require* it :/
17:56.37PieDclose on tab needs an extension ?
17:56.43supernixHi I am using Kubuntu and it is missing the help file for Ksig but I am at a loss for finding the help documents anywhere else
17:56.45PieDI forgot how poor firefox is
17:56.54Speedy2To put a close tab-button on each tab does
17:57.21PieDand I don't browse the stupid sites
17:57.43lauriyou can put a close button on every tab with konqueror (you can have it replace the favicon on hover)
17:57.50PieDflash is disturbing
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17:58.12PieDlauri: yes, but it firefox needs an extension to do so
17:58.16Doktoreas:|
17:58.21Doktoreasno know know wht sane works, and not kooka^
17:58.22lauritab reordering is built in, it's got a keybinding, ctrl-shift-left and right (and is in the window menu)
17:58.23Speedy2PieD: I don't disagree, I don't like Flash use either.  But that doesn't change the fact that some sites require it.
17:58.28lauriPieD: i'm talking about konqueror
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17:58.36lauriit does those things already, without any plugins
17:59.02Speedy2benJIman: I used to do that too...but when you have no choice you have no choice
17:59.03PieDlauri: I know, that's why I prefer it :)
17:59.13benJImanweb designers who put the "skip intro" option as part of the flash animation should be shot
17:59.31PieDSpeedy2: if a website needs the flash plugin, then I consider I don't need that website
17:59.33lauriand you can per-domain permit or reject plugins (and flash is a plugin)
17:59.44lauriand adblock will be in the next release of KDE
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18:00.07benJImanlauri: does adblocK block flash too? my flash plugin isn't installed right now, it does a great job with images
18:00.32lauriI don't know, I mostly don't mind ads (all those sites gots to pay their bills)
18:01.17lauriI don't know any sites where they're so obtrusive I care enough to block them (well, one, but that's because I hate the owner and don't wish her to get any money off my having accidentally visited one of her sites :)
18:01.31scroogiebenJIman: adblock is just blocking by regular expressions
18:01.35lauriso I have her entire site roped off in /etc/hosts, because I'm an evil meanyhead
18:01.56scroogiebenJIman: it doesnt take file extensions into account
18:02.06benJImanamericasarmy.com requires flash to use the menu, whoever thought of that is an idiot too
18:02.31scroogiebenJIman: flashblock is handy
18:03.32Speedy2scroogie: Is there a Flashblock for Konq?
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18:04.01scroogiedont know
18:05.42seekHimaseigo: I should add another weather service, and see if I get the same results.
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18:08.43_knoppixhow do zou get a us kezboard_
18:09.03PhilRodcontrol center -> regional & a11y -> keyboard layout
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18:12.12Speedy2Later all
18:14.51_knoppixIt is still in german
18:15.42seekHimaseigo: Unfortunately, kweather only displays one station at a time.
18:15.53_knoppixdo I log out or what_
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18:21.18seekHimaseigo: Can I get kweather to show conditions for two weather stations?  I suppose I have to add the station, and then restart it?
18:22.22_knoppixMaybe it is working now!
18:22.36aseigoseekHim: no, i don't think you can =/
18:22.47seekHimaseigo: BUG!! :P
18:23.04aseigoseekHim: the multistation reporting is more for kontact i believe
18:23.12seekHimaseigo: Ahh.
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18:23.13Roeyhi
18:23.30Roeyquesiton about the Task Bar in KDE > 3.4.0:  does it still auto-resize?
18:23.34Roeyit's annoying as hell.
18:23.35tezemI use kde3.4 and want to use subversion. I get the message "Could not start process unable to crate io-slave: "klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_slave'"
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18:24.18Roeyit resizes even when the Layout->Length->[X] Expand to fit the conents is disabled.
18:26.16scroogieRoey: it doesnt resize for me
18:27.44scroogieor i just dont understand what you mean
18:29.32Roeyok
18:29.40Roeyscroogie:  1. enable multiple desktops
18:29.58Roeyscroogie:  2. set it /not/ to show windows from all desktops
18:30.10Roeyscroogie:  3. clear one desktop of windows (including any minimized windows)
18:30.18moapalagood way not to keep your desktop clean ;)
18:30.20Roeyscroogie:  switch between a desktop that has windows and a desktop that does not.
18:30.36Roeyscroogie:  notice how the taskbar collapses when it is empty
18:31.33_chrisi like the auto-resizing taskbar
18:32.12scroogiei dont get it
18:32.13RoeyI don't.  It gets annoying when you're moving among desktops which both have and don't have any windows on them.
18:32.17Roeywhat's not to get?
18:32.23scroogiei dont see a nothing
18:32.26Roeythe taskbar collapses if there are no windows on that desktop
18:32.28Roeylike:
18:32.34Roey[ t a s k b a r ]
18:32.36Roeyto:
18:32.38Roey[ ]
18:32.44Roeyget it?
18:32.50_chrisif you switch desktops
18:32.54Roeyyes
18:32.57_chrisso make the taskbar fullsize
18:33.04_jamesPhilRod: Thanks
18:33.07Roeyok, taskbar is not panel.
18:33.17RoeyI'm talking about the task bar, not the Kicker panel.
18:33.22Roeythe kicker panel is independent of that.
18:33.32_chrisit only collapes if you choose "resize to fit contents"
18:33.34PhilRod_james: you're welcome :-)
18:33.34Roeyeven if it is full-size, the taskbar will still collapse
18:33.35Roeyno
18:33.41Roey_chris:  the task bar ignores that.
18:33.47scroogieRoey: My taskbar doesnt collapse at all
18:33.52_chrisok hm i dont code it
18:34.02_chrisperhaps you can to an animation (like ksnapshot)
18:34.02Roeyscroogie:  you're not doing it right.
18:34.06Roey_chris:  sure.
18:34.12Roeydoes ksnapshot do animations?
18:34.14Roeyoh, I forgot:
18:34.18RoeyI already reported this bug.
18:34.20Roeyone sec.
18:34.34scroogiemaybe its already fixed? im using svn.
18:34.55_chrisscroogie , if its fixed in svn it yould be marked as fixed in bugs.kdeorg
18:35.18scroogiethats right
18:36.17_chrisi dont get it , the taskbar collapses and the panel stays the same size
18:36.20_christhats ok
18:36.29Roeyhttp://roey.freeshell.org/mystuff/kde/kicker/
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18:37.31Roey_chris, scroogie:  OK, what I'm describing should be clear from the PNGs contained in there
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18:38.05scroogieyes now i get it.
18:38.08Roey_chris, scroogie:  I think 'sized' means 'constrained' [to a specific width].
18:38.10scroogielet me try this
18:38.19Roey(it was months ago that I reported this)
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18:38.49Roeyand it's a new thing that happened with kde 3.3+
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18:43.56scroogiemy panel doesnt resize, but the system tray snaps back to the position where the tasks were shown
18:44.13scroogiei think thats sensible
18:44.13_jamescan knoppix 4.0 dvd be fully installed? If so, how?
18:44.29Roeyscroogie:  I never said panel has troublewith it
18:44.34Roeyscroogie:  I said that the taskbar resizes.
18:44.47scroogieyes, now i fully understand what you were talking about
18:44.48Roeyscroogie:  the system tray snaps back because the taskbar collapses
18:45.06Roeyscroogie:  so it's *really* annoying to close a window and have it jump
18:45.10Roeyand then to move to another desktop
18:45.14Roeyand have it jump AGAIN
18:45.30scroogieit jumps only if you hover with your mouse
18:45.36Roeyno it doesn't
18:45.44Roeyit waits two seconds and then collapses or expands.
18:46.32scroogieits a bit odd. at the moment it doesnt collapse at all
18:46.40Roeywhat doesn't collapse?
18:46.44Roeythe taskbar or the panel?
18:46.55Roeywait a little while and it will.
18:47.14Roeymake sure you clear the current desktop of all open and minimized windows.
18:47.33scroogiemhm
18:47.40scroogiei was able to reproduce it 2 minutes ago
18:47.44Roeyok
18:47.47scroogiebut i changed nothing
18:48.31Roeyok
18:48.31Roeyyeah
18:48.35Roeyit's inconsistent and annoying.
18:49.22scroogiean optional fixed width for the taskbar would please you?
18:49.28Roeyvery much so.
18:49.35Roeyjust to have it stay at whatever size it was originally.
18:49.47Roeyregardless of whether or not it has any items in it
18:51.02aseigoRoey: yeah, not going to happen
18:51.15aseigoRoey: if you set a minimum size for the panel it's in, does that not work either?
18:51.59_jamesAnybody:  Can knoppix 4.0 dvd be fully installed? If so, how? I can't understand german!
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18:52.55Roeyaseigo:  no
18:53.11Roeyaseigo:  this is regardless of what the size of the panel is and whether or not it is permitted to expand as necessary
18:53.15Roeys/is/happens
18:53.42PhilRod_james: #knoppix, perhaps
18:53.55scroogie_james: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Installer
18:55.27_jamesSorry, I thought this was the knoppix channel!
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18:55.51stjepanhello
18:56.02stjepanI am developing an application
18:56.16stjepanmay I take KDE's Keramik theme to use in my app
18:56.17stjepan?
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18:56.51stjepanI am going to just copy pictures of buttons and other stuff and use in my app
18:56.57stjepanmay I do this?
18:57.09stjepan(btw, stupid question)
18:58.25PhilRodI expect so, but you should probably check with the keramik maintainer
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19:28.04aseigoRoey: i just tested this with svn head here and it works fine.
19:28.35aseigoRoey: external taskbar is set to 0% expand as necessary and it expands and contracts in response to windows being added/removed
19:29.29aseigoRoey: if i set it to show only windows on the current desktop and switch between different desktops with different numbers of windows (from 0 -> 15 here) it also works just fine.
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19:31.36Roeyaseigo:  lemme run that by you again:
19:31.48Roeyaseigo:  (what does external mean in this context?)
19:31.59aseigoRoey: Add Panel -> External Taskbar
19:32.18Roeyaseigo:  you're saying that if you set it the Panel 0% width, and allow it to [X] expand as necessary,
19:32.32aseigoit works, yes
19:32.59Roeynow, what does "works just fine" mean?
19:33.08Roeyyou mean that it expands and collapses as windows are opened?
19:34.11aseigoyes
19:34.47Roeyok
19:35.09Roeyand I'm saying that I set it to 50%, and to not expand.
19:35.12Roey(the panel)
19:35.19Roeyyet the taskbar resizes anyway
19:35.33Roeywhy does the taskbar collapse when it has no windows? I just want it to keep the same size.
19:35.57aseigoRoey: "same size"
19:36.18Roeysame size as if that desktop has five windows open.
19:36.22aseigoRoey: this only affects expanding panels, which is the point of them
19:36.24Roeysee my pictures I posted
19:36.45Roeyaseigo:  the taskbar resizes regardless of whether or not you have that checkbox clicked.
19:37.03Roeyhttp://roey.freeshell.org/mystuff/kde/kicker/
19:38.38scroogieaseigo: he doesnt mean the resizing of the panel, he more or less means the reordering of the panel if the taskbar has zero width
19:39.19aseigoRoey: ok, so now i have panel set to 50% size, no expanding
19:39.26Roeyit's not the panel aaron
19:39.28Roeyit's the taskbar
19:39.37aseigoRoey: on it is a taskbar, system monitor, and pager
19:39.38Roeyit resizes from an inch or two wide to 0 width.
19:39.46Roeywhat doesn't expand?
19:39.54Roey(the panel? the taskbar?)
19:40.06Roeyaseigo:  did you see the photos in the url above?
19:40.08aseigoi have a PANEL set to 50% size, no expanding
19:40.10scroogieother applets will fill in the spare place if there are no windows to be shown on the taskbar.
19:40.18aseigoRoey: yes, yes i have
19:40.20Roeyscroogie:  OK, this is what I'm talking about.
19:40.22Roeyscroogie:  yes.
19:40.33_chris_sQuestion : is www.google.com/maps working in konqueror ?
19:40.45Theoryish
19:41.22Theoryyou have to fiddle a bit before it will actually show you images
19:41.25aseigoRoey: so no.. i add and remove windows ... my applets don't move
19:41.55aseigoRoey: if i stack all my applets right against the taskbar applet and add new windows so that the taskbar needs more room, they other applets shuffle to the right until the maximum width of the panel is reached
19:42.05aseigoRoey: if i remove windows from that point forward, the applets don't move
19:42.09RoeyI don't get it.
19:42.11aseigo(back to the left, that is)
19:42.27RoeyI have it like those snapshots show it in the URL I posted.
19:42.34RoeyWhen I get rid of all the windows on a desktop,
19:42.40scroogiemy system tray and mouse snap left if i hover with my mouse
19:42.40Roeythe taskbar resizes to 0 width.
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19:42.56scroogieif i dont hover, the space will be left free
19:43.09RoeyI mean, would it be easier to understand if I made a small movie of this behavior?
19:43.14aseigoscroogie: hover what with your mouse?
19:43.16knoppixHi, does any body now how to instal knoppix 4.0dvd live on HD, or wer to get that info, I will a precieted that information thank you
19:43.25scroogieaseigo: the spare place when the taskbar is empty
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19:43.35scroogiethe place where the taskbar should be
19:43.57aseigoRoey: sure. though i'm pretty sure i understand what you're saying. and what i'm saying is: it works for me using today's svn.
19:43.59scroogiebut i dont experienced this as disturbing, i always use 100% width ;)
19:44.23scroogieaseigo: im using todays svn, too.
19:44.35aseigoscroogie: i don't see that either
19:44.37Roeyscroogie:  and I tried it with 100% Panel width, too, and the Taskbar still resizes to 0 width.
19:44.52aseigoyes, no shit the taskbar resizes to 0 width
19:44.58aseigothat's not the problem
19:45.20aseigothe problem you're seeing that i can't reproduce is that the applets are moving in response to that
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19:45.28Roeyok
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19:45.47aseigowhich, now that i'm thinking about it, SOUNDS like there's a wrong FreeSpace2= entry in the kickerrc somewhere =/
19:45.51Roeyah
19:46.02Roeyhow would that work?
19:46.03scroogieRoey: what about locking the panels?
19:46.06scroogiedoes that help?
19:46.10Roeylocking panels?
19:46.18Roey(btw this didn't hjappen before kde 3.3)
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19:46.53scroogielocking the panel stops the behaviour in my version
19:47.02Roeyok
19:47.06Roeyhow would I lock it?
19:47.13scroogieright click menu
19:47.16aseigoscroogie: yes, that will prevent anything from moving indeed
19:47.16Roeyok
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19:47.40aseigoRoey: can you look in your kickerrc and tell me what the FreeSpace2= values are for taskbar, systray, kmix and clock applets?
19:47.46Roeyok
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19:49.08Roeyaseigo:  it's 0 for everything
19:49.29Roeyaseigo:  both FreeSpace and FreeSpace2 are 0 for eveyrthing.
19:49.32aseigoRoey: ok. try dcopquit kicker then edit those to be FreeSpace2=1 and start kicker again
19:49.37Roeyok
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19:50.35knoppix<PROTECTED>
19:51.16scroogiehttp://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Installer
19:51.43knoppixthank you scroogie
19:51.51Roeyaseigo:  I did as you suggested, but the behavior remains the same
19:53.34aseigoRoey: send me your kickerrc by email please and i'll troubleshoot it myself.
19:55.48Roeyaseigo:  to your nick @ kde.org?
19:55.53aseigoyes
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19:57.03Roey* sent
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20:09.29Frost^a little question, on dot.kde.org there are "commit digest" topics. do those relate to 3.4.x or 3.5.x?
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20:38.18vanRijnwow
20:38.39vanRijnlack of activity, unparalleled since the Nixon administration!
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20:45.28MrGrimwoo they finally got to my khtml bug :D
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20:45.50MrGrimat least enough to confirm it
20:46.11einsteinmghi all :)
20:46.24MrGrimyo
20:46.25einsteinmgwhere could i find the implementation details of kwallet?
20:46.39MrGrimdon't smack me... but the source :P
20:46.42MrGrimthat's all I know
20:46.46MrGrimnot sure if it is documented or not
20:46.57einsteinmgwhat cipher is used, how is the master pw stored, ...
20:47.06MrGrimif it isn't maybe it is at least well commented :)
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20:48.07MrGrimI assume you've read the handbook?
20:48.35annmaeinsteinmg: implementation details?
20:48.48Doktoreasguys how can i have battery monitor in applet?
20:48.59einsteinmghmmm handbook? i've search kde.org
20:49.05MrGrimnm, handbook is useless
20:49.21MrGrimeinsteinmg: the help files for it :) but they don't have what you want
20:49.33MrGrimall I can recommend is google, mailing list archives, and the source
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20:49.36annmaeinsteinmg: what are you looking for exactly?
20:49.38einsteinmgannma: how is the masterpw stored, cipher mode/size/...
20:49.44MrGrim[15:44] <einsteinmg> what cipher is used, how is the master pw stored, ...
20:49.48annmalook at the code then
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20:50.21einsteinmgannma: the infos should be on the homepage, imho
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20:50.50MrGrimya they should, but you take what you can get
20:50.51annmathen send a patch for the homepage please
20:51.08annmait's extremely hard work to maitain the app, the doc and the webpage
20:51.15MrGrimand don't complain when it's free :)
20:51.18einsteinmgok thx
20:51.39einsteinmgannma: the security related implementatin details shouldn't change...
20:51.50einsteinmgand if they change, every user should be informed...
20:51.51seekHimanybody up for a kontact question?
20:51.55annmawhy?
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20:52.27annmausers who want to be informed dig in the code
20:52.35einsteinmgbecause kwallet holds sensitiv data... and every change in the implementation could be a possible security breach
20:52.46annmaat least they have the possibility to get the info
20:52.48annmabah
20:53.17annmaI don't use the wallet to be frank as I am a home user
20:53.29annmaI don't lock my car outside
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20:53.39annmaI am a security breah ....
20:53.44annmabe=reach
20:54.19einsteinmgyou maybe are, others care what a app does with there sensitiv data
20:54.44annmaeinsteinmg: the benefit from free software is that you can get the info if you want
20:54.57annmaand if you are able to understand it
20:55.13annmaso either dig in the code or send a mail to the maintainer
20:55.25annmaI am confident he'll answer your questions
20:55.29MrGrimI am so blind... I swear I opened 3 source files for this app looking for keyboard code before I noticed it has a keyboard.c :P
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20:57.13einsteinmgannma: ok thx
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21:00.32SatanClaushiho! I use grouping of similar tasks when taskbar is full. In kde3.3 it was possible to mouseover such a group and use the mousewheel to cycle through just the windows in that group. since 3.4 it cycles through all windows in taskbar, how can I change that?
21:01.25Roeyhohoho :)
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21:03.05Sputn1kin control center whren i select directory with theme, it didint allows it
21:03.13Sputn1kin what format theme should be?
21:03.45Sputn1ki had lots of themes, but them all do not work
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21:13.36SatanClaushiho! I use grouping of similar tasks when taskbar is full. In kde3.3 it was possible to mouseover such a group and use the mousewheel to cycle through just the windows in that group. since 3.4 it cycles through all windows in taskbar, how can I change that?
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21:31.07Paleocan kde 3.4 run on top of qt4 ?
21:31.15annmaoh, no
21:31.19annmanot at all
21:31.42annmarule of the thumb: kde and qt main version number must be the same
21:32.13Paleohehe okay
21:32.36annmasome kde porting has started but it's a huge task
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21:37.20benJImanaseigo: why is the "show windows from all screens" option in kicker the wrong way round?
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21:37.50aseigobenJIman: wrong way around?
21:38.03benJImanaseigo: well I check it and it only shows the ones on the current screen, I uncheck it and it shows both
21:38.20aseigobenJIman: how is that the wrong way around?
21:38.53benJImanit's labeled "show windows from all screens" and the whatis help also agrees with that, which implies that when checked you should be able to see windows from all monitors on the taskbar
21:38.58benJImanhowever the behaviour is the other way round
21:39.59aseigobenJIman: ah, i see what you're saying. it doesn't do that here. what v are you running?
21:40.22benJImanaseigo: svn build about 4 or 5 days old, perhaps it's a config file issue? my kickerrc is probably fairly old
21:40.30aseigobenJIman: shouldn't matter in the least.
21:40.43aseigobenJIman: i'm using svn from today and it works perfectly. look in your ktaskbarrc
21:41.09benJImanwhat am I looking for? it's nearly updated
21:41.12benJIman*empty
21:41.43aseigoShowAllWindows
21:41.58benJIman[$Version] \ update_info=kickerrc.upd:kde_3_5_taskbarEnums | is all I have in that file
21:42.38SatanClaushiho! I use grouping of similar tasks when taskbar is full. In kde3.3 it was possible to mouseover such a group and use the mousewheel to cycle through just the windows in that group. since 3.4 it cycles through all windows in taskbar, how can I change that? I can't find it in the control-center
21:42.55aseigobenJIman: so it's at the default of true ... what does the config dialog show
21:43.07benJImanit shows false
21:43.09aseigoSatanClaus: you can't.
21:43.15aseigobenJIman: the button is unchecked?
21:43.21SatanClaus:(
21:43.36benJImanaseigo: yes, and if I check the box it says true in that file
21:44.14aseigobenJIman: what's the default value for that entry in kicker/taskbar/taskbar.kcfg?
21:45.14benJImanaseigo: in what directory is that in sorry?
21:45.38benJImanon in the source
21:46.08benJImanaseigo: <default>false</default>
21:46.58SatanClausaseigo: why not? was such a cool feature and it's pretty dumb if you got used to it and now cycle through all windows, maximizing everything you just minimized :)
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21:48.18aseigobenJIman: that's not what's in svn
21:48.39aseigoSatanClaus: it was such a cool feature that you couldn't scroll through all your windows?
21:48.49benJImanaseigo: fair enough I assume it'll change when I next do a clean build then
21:48.51benJImanthanks
21:49.16SatanClausaseigo: well, I thought it's a feature, that I just scroll through the group under my mouse...
21:50.29SatanClaus(instead scrolling through everything)
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21:50.55aseigoand others thought it was a bug
21:51.12aseigoesp as it makes it useless when you don't have grouping turned on
21:51.17aseigoit == scroll wheel
21:51.22benJImanI've seen a couple of other people complain about that change of behaviour too
21:51.24aseigoand that it isn't how the pager works, etc
21:51.28snugglemonkeyquick question....    is this http://grammarian.homelinux.net/kdesvn-build/doc.html supposed to be much easier than I am making it, or am I just stupid?
21:51.30aseigobenJIman: people complain about any change in behaviour
21:51.34benJImanindeed
21:51.40aseigobenJIman: i'm more concerned about things working as well as possible
21:51.45SatanClauswould it be much work to make it an option?
21:53.03aseigoSatanClaus: how big of an option would you consider it to be, on a scale of 1 : 10 where 1 is the tiniest amount of change in the GUI immaginable and 10 is the largest... so.. icon set change might be a 10, while adjusting the timeout on kicker's mouse overs might be a 1, for instance.
21:54.44SatanClauswell for me it would be 8, as it's pretty annoying to see all windows I just minimized to be maximized, just because I'm pointing a group using the mousewheel in expection of cycling through that group :)
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21:55.04aseigoSatanClaus: i didn't ask how satisfying it would be. i asked how big of a change in the GUI would it be?
21:55.22aseigoSatanClaus: because to anyone who likes a certain thing it's always going to be a 7-10
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21:55.31SatanClaus;)
21:55.41aseigoreally, the answer is that it's a pretty small detail
21:55.45SatanClauswell change in the GUI? I'd say it's an option in the controlcenter...
21:55.53aseigowhether the mouse wheel continues after the last item in a group or not
21:56.22aseigonow .. how many such small items in the gui do you think there might be? lets just pick the taskbar for a moment. not counting the rest of kicker, JUST the taskbar
21:57.52aseigothere happens to be 20 already configurable items in the taskbar
21:58.03aseigosome of those have multiple options each
21:58.26aseigonow let's add every gui option that is a small option
21:58.35aseigowe can't fit them all in the configs!
21:58.41aseigoconfig dialogs, that is
21:58.45SatanClausok, you convinced me...
21:59.18aseigoso then people ask for hidden options ... which virtually nobody ends up using anyways, but i get to maintain the N different code paths and defend why kicker is such a bloated mother
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22:01.19benJImanthe change which seems to have annoyed the most people is the removal of icon zooming, personally I think the new effect is much more useful and doesn't do annoying buggy things like the old effect, the old effect didn't help anyone who didn't know what the icon meant which is the traditional use for mouseover tooltip type things
22:01.50SatanClauswell, I just wanted to tell you that the old behaviour was way more efficient (for me)
22:02.28aseigobenJIman: yeah... that was a hard decision to make.
22:02.58aseigobenJIman: probably my most unpopular one to date ... which is pretty good because most people are just fine with it.. but . yeah.. heh. NOT POPULAR
22:03.17aseigoSatanClaus: so note
22:03.19aseigod
22:04.03SatanClauswell, but without any effect :p
22:05.12SatanClausyou wouldn't accept it if I changed it myself, would you?
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22:25.51seekHimaseigo: are we awake?
22:27.00aseigomaybe
22:27.42seekHimaseigo: kontact (and korganizer)....  is there any way to have the monthly calendar show the entire month, rather than the next four or five weeks?
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22:33.21aseigoseekHim: i thought that's wha it does?
22:33.46seekHimaseigo: nope.  3.3.2 shows the next four or five weeks.
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22:35.24seekHimaseigo: www.hisowntechnologies.com/images/kontact.jpg
22:36.39Sputn1khow to look, how many memory is usage?
22:36.53seekHimhuh?
22:37.02Sputn1khow much ram is used
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22:37.53seekHimfor what?
22:38.41Sputn1kfor kde, kernel, for everything
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22:39.16seekHimOh.  Well, that depends on how much ram you've got. :)
22:39.30aseigoseekHim: wow was kontact ever ugly in 3.3 =)
22:39.49seekHimaseigo: Yeah.  Too bad I can't get rpms for 3.4 for Mdk.
22:39.50Marrsthe memory view in KInfoCenter gives a global view of memory
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22:40.50Sputn1kseekHim 512, my karamba says that now used 144, but other- thet 494 :)
22:41.13seekHimSputn1k: I guess that's how much memory, then. :P
22:41.44Sputn1kwhatever...
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22:42.13seekHimhe obviously didn't appreciate my sense of humour.
22:42.20aseigoseekHim: that said, kontact it does what you want in newer versions...
22:42.42seekHimaseigo: can you point me to a version that'll install on 3.3?
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22:43.01aseigoseekHim: you can check over at kontact.org
22:43.09aseigoor is that kontact.kde.org?
22:43.11aseigoone or the other
22:43.29seekHimaseigo: :p how 'bout www.aseigoisageek.org? :)
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22:44.51_allanonis there a kde... migration tool, of some kind?
22:45.02StevenRto do what exactly?
22:45.13_allanonthere are soo many things like my kwallet and kopete contact list and kaddressbook and kmail folders and I dunno what...
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22:45.33_allanonso if I want to reinstall/move to another installation, it would be nice if it was a tool to import/export all that in a few clicks.
22:45.36StevenR_allanon: what would this tool do exactly?
22:45.38StevenRahh
22:45.38aseigo_allanon: not at this point ... there is one coming eventually...
22:45.44seekHim_allanon: they'll still work with the new version
22:45.46aseigo_allanon: you can, for now, just back up your $HOME
22:46.02_allanonthat works, I guess. yep.
22:46.02aseigo_allanon: be sure to grab ~/.kde and ~/Mail
22:46.06StevenRyou could just tar up ~/.kde and the other bits, and then copy it
22:46.09_allanonas long as there are no version conflicts :}
22:46.29_allanoni did that before, but some 3.2-config had problems on 3.3
22:46.53_allanonand then you have to navigate and try to delete the offending app config :}
22:47.13_allanonbut I guess that is a general problem.
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22:48.06fumbalahis it possible to completly remove the virtual desktop box
22:49.21benJImanfrom kicker?
22:49.33fumbalahfrom the bottom taskbar
22:49.45benJImanclick the up arrow next to it and click remove from panel
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22:56.15CrellHas anyone here used Karbon14 and had a problem with the Undo/Redo being horribly horribly broken? :-)
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23:02.50_kilraedamn pan
23:03.05CrellWhat did Pan ever do to you?
23:03.28_kilraeuses too much memory
23:03.38_kilrae387MB
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23:04.49CrellOuch.  What's Pan?
23:06.50_kilraenews reader
23:07.00CrellAh.
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23:08.15pac1Does Cervisia support subversion?
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23:09.38pac1Are the kde cvs archives still out there?
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23:11.11pinotreepac1: cervisia svn support is a work-in-progress, an in an experimental branch
23:11.27pinotreepac1: and no, there are no more daily cvs archives
23:11.47pac1how about cvs pservers to connect to?
23:11.51pinotreepac1: but there are dailiy *svn* archives :)
23:12.30pinotreepac1: pserver?
23:12.46pinotreepac1: we use subversion now, pserver is a cvs thing
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23:13.37pac1pinotree, :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.kde.org:2401/home/kde
23:13.44pinotreethat's old
23:13.48pinotreeno more needed
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23:17.21erosanyone in love with sudoku?
23:18.23pac1pinotree, here's what i want to do:  get kdevelop head and the version of cervisia that supports subversion.  How should I proceed?  Do I need to svn the whole kde source tree or just kdevelop and cervisia?
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23:21.07lasindiI know I've asked this before, but I've got a thin line along the top of my taskbar that has the color of the window background. How can I get rid of it?
23:21.15thiagopac1: you need kdevelop
23:21.21lasindiHere is a screenshot: http://www.geocities.com/lasindi/taskbar.png
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23:21.22thiagoand you have to make sure your kdelibs can compile it
23:21.29thiagoI am not sure what's the minimum required version
23:29.58StevenR:)
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23:44.21lasindiStevenR, "KDE Woman" is a class of its own, huh? ;)
23:44.28StevenR?
23:44.40lasindiFrom your buttons ^
23:44.46StevenRthey aren't my buttons
23:44.56StevenRi only made one for slackware
23:45.00lasindiOhh, *based* on.
23:45.04StevenRwhich i need to put somewhere
23:45.09lasindiWhoops misread your statement.
23:45.13StevenR's ok
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23:57.22PhrostbyteAnyone alive in here?
23:57.39PhrostbyteI'm wondering how to change my toolbar buttons
23:57.52PhrostbyteParticularly the K-Menu button
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23:59.35CrellYou mean the kicker?
23:59.45PhrostbyteThe K-Menu button on the desktop
23:59.46Crell(Taskbar, quicklaunch bar, whatever you want to call it.)
23:59.59Phrostbyteyeah

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