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00:03.36 | kingsley | Can konq be configured to have search fields for a.) the current web page and b.) google? |
00:07.14 | thiago | kingsley: yes |
00:07.39 | thiago | kingsley: Settings, Configure Extensions |
00:07.45 | thiago | turn the "search bar pugin" on |
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00:13.37 | winslayer | Steven R: If you're still there, I've gotta go now (1:12am) as tiredness is creeping in and work beckons.. But I'd still like a fix for that someday :o) |
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00:14.55 | benJIman | kingsley: you can also make the address bar search for stuff you type in which isn't urls if you wish |
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00:21.22 | ritalin | I just built kdeoffice, i cvsp then their is another version... |
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00:22.50 | kingsley | thiago: Version 3.2.2 of konq doesn't have an "Extension" choice under "Settings, Configure". <sigh> |
00:23.10 | asdf | in Kontact is there a way to view schedule conflicts? |
00:23.21 | thiago | kingsley: Konq 3.2.2 doesn't have the search bar plugin either |
00:24.15 | benJIman | kingsley: if you do settings -> configure konqueror -> default search engine -> google, then when you type in things which arn't urls into the title bar it will google for them, if you put the keyword delimiter to space you can also do for example gg keywords rather than gg:keywords |
00:24.27 | benJIman | (under web shortcuts in configure dialogue) |
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00:26.37 | kingsley | thiago: Do you happen to know which version introduced them? |
00:26.48 | kingsley | benJIman: OK, that worksed. Thank you. |
00:26.54 | thiago | 3.3.0 I think |
00:26.55 | kingsley | s/s// |
00:27.02 | thiago | don't use 3.3.0; go for 3.4.1 instead |
00:27.15 | kingsley | thiago: Why? |
00:27.23 | thiago | because 3.3.0 is old as well |
00:28.03 | kingsley | Do you happen to know where to find Debian packages for 3.4.1? |
00:28.27 | benJIman | kingsley: can you use the kubuntu ones? |
00:29.24 | kingsley | benJIman: Like you, I don't know, but I suppose I wouldn't be surprised if there were problems. |
00:29.53 | benJIman | or you could use a less out of date distro, or one which provides updated packages to old distro releases :p |
00:30.26 | hansvi | Hello ppl, I've been playing with superkaramba a bit today. Real sweet! I have written a small theme that shows the time since the last backup in only a few hours! |
00:31.00 | hansvi | ... and I didn't even know python (learned it alongway) |
00:32.39 | benJIman | debian don't even seem to backport bugfixes |
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00:42.20 | ritalin | anyone know where you get some feature list/changes thats planned for next release of kde? |
00:44.07 | benJIman | ritalin: there's a guide to svn features in the topic |
00:44.52 | thiago | ritalin: developer.kde.org |
00:45.39 | ritalin | thiago: ty |
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00:53.02 | ritalin | thank god |
00:53.07 | ritalin | I was worried sick jkeel |
00:53.20 | jkeel | ritalin: I'll bet you were.. |
00:53.24 | ritalin | ;) |
00:53.34 | jkeel | ritalin: you need to get off that medicine.. it's causing anxiety, I think |
00:53.44 | ritalin | heh |
00:53.51 | ritalin | not when i mix it with my zoloft |
00:53.59 | jkeel | ah yes |
00:54.20 | jkeel | that usually fixes anything |
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01:01.52 | canllaith | ullo StevenR |
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01:02.16 | StevenR | where do i set the max size that kde can take up for image preview caching? |
01:02.19 | StevenR | heya candyban |
01:02.29 | StevenR | heya canllaith |
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01:03.08 | benJIman | StevenR: settings -> configure konqueror -> previoews and metadata -> maximum filesize |
01:03.50 | StevenR | benJIman: no, that's the max file size for which previews are genrated |
01:03.59 | StevenR | not the max space kde can use |
01:04.08 | benJIman | ook |
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01:04.29 | StevenR | my .thumbnails dir is currently 323 meg |
01:04.34 | Mad_Scientist | Anyone help me tweak the kicker panel/ |
01:04.35 | Mad_Scientist | ? |
01:06.47 | Mad_Scientist | Anyone know how to change the quicklaunch icons on the taskbar? |
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01:07.00 | Roey | hi |
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01:07.25 | Roey | does the text in the middle column look cut off by the right column for anyone else here? http://tools.devshed.com/c/a/Website-Content/Drupal-Modules/ |
01:08.13 | hansvi | Mad_Scientist: what do you want to know? |
01:09.17 | Mad_Scientist | Trying to figure out how to change the quicklaunch icons that are next to kicker/start |
01:09.35 | Mad_Scientist | I want different programs to launch from there. It currently has things that I dont use |
01:09.55 | thiago | right-click over them |
01:10.16 | Mad_Scientist | Waw..thanks |
01:10.21 | Mad_Scientist | err...wow |
01:10.28 | Mad_Scientist | Ive tried everything BUT that |
01:12.05 | Mad_Scientist | Any other cool KDE tweaks that you can suggest? Im kinda new to Linux |
01:12.17 | Mad_Scientist | I just want my desktop to look, eh, 'cooler' |
01:13.33 | Dhraakellian | http://sp.allalone.org/gallery/screenshots/KDE_20050505_D2_recoloredSVG hauling out that screenshot again |
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01:15.03 | Mad_Scientist | Dhraakellian: I'm checking it out... |
01:15.08 | Mad_Scientist | Seems slow to connect |
01:16.11 | Mad_Scientist | Dhraakellian: Thats pretty sweet looking... |
01:16.32 | Mad_Scientist | How do you change the "taskbar' to be transparent like that? |
01:16.33 | MrGrim | anyone here done any fbdev coding before? |
01:17.12 | Dhraakellian | Mad_Scientist, for one thing, the generic term is "panel" |
01:17.18 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
01:17.25 | Mad_Scientist | Thats what I was looking for |
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01:17.41 | Dhraakellian | (KDE's panel app is called Kicker) |
01:17.44 | Mad_Scientist | Im a noob, and open to constructive criticism. Can you tell Im a windows convert? |
01:17.51 | parph | convert hehe |
01:18.04 | parph | don't say convert it makes it sound like your switching religions |
01:18.31 | Dhraakellian | in the panel prefs, layout > appearance |
01:18.39 | Dhraakellian | in the Panel Background section |
01:18.47 | Dhraakellian | [x] enable transparency |
01:18.57 | Dhraakellian | and you can set the tint in Advanced Options |
01:19.49 | Mad_Scientist | I notice there's no 'start' menu either |
01:20.08 | Dhraakellian | wha? |
01:20.12 | Dhraakellian | there's the kmenu |
01:20.36 | Mad_Scientist | where is it? |
01:20.56 | Mad_Scientist | extreme left? |
01:21.33 | Mad_Scientist | I see it |
01:21.55 | Mad_Scientist | Where did you get all those cool-loking CPU-load meters and such? |
01:22.59 | Dhraakellian | that's gkrellm |
01:23.01 | Mad_Scientist | Can you tell Im a newbie? I'm actually not even a newbie yet. I'm still riding on the short bus, waiting to get off at the "newbie" stop. |
01:23.30 | Dhraakellian | gkrellm with the "invisible" theme |
01:24.19 | Alethes | Mad_Scientist: freshmeat.net is your friend for apps |
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01:28.03 | Mad_Scientist | Thanks |
01:28.04 | AAEM | Hola |
01:28.20 | AAEM | Espaniol? |
01:28.33 | hansvi | Mad_scientist: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssuperkaramba.html |
01:29.45 | hansvi | It's really cool, I just developed a "theme" ("desktop widget" would be a more appropriate term) myself |
01:30.10 | hansvi | But I don't know if you're into programming ;) |
01:30.15 | Mad_Scientist | NOt yet... |
01:31.07 | Mad_Scientist | can I get the mandrake 10.2 rpm if I am running Mandriva Le 2005? |
01:32.08 | thiago | Mandriva 2005 LE and Mandrake 10.2 are the same |
01:32.45 | Mad_Scientist | I'm sorry...the RPM is for 10.1. Can I use that? |
01:33.00 | thiago | you shouldn't |
01:33.15 | Mad_Scientist | Do we know if there is an RPM for 10.2? |
01:33.18 | thiago | it might work, but it might not |
01:34.24 | hansvi | Mad_scientist: another nice kicker applet is kweather: right click on taskbar -> add->applet->kweather |
01:35.00 | Mad_Scientist | I wanna get this GK rellM first, before I move on. =) Still trying to figure out how to do that |
01:35.28 | hansvi | Ok, have fun 8-) |
01:36.02 | Mad_Scientist | Well, I am lost on what I need to do. THe RPM is only for 10.1, and without an RPM, I dont know what to do |
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01:42.54 | sema4 | does anyone know how to install mouse themes from themes.kde.org? |
01:43.17 | sema4 | all 6 do not install using the method described on the site |
01:43.42 | thiago | Mad_Scientist: try the ksysguard applet instead |
01:43.45 | sema4 | (ie using the "intall theme" in the kcontrol mouse cursor ) |
01:43.57 | Mad_Scientist | I got gkrellm |
01:44.03 | Mad_Scientist | What is sysguard? |
01:44.07 | Mad_Scientist | Same thing/similar? |
01:44.29 | thiago | similar |
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01:47.16 | Dhraakellian | actually, the nearest kde equivalent to gkrellm would probably be ksim |
01:47.32 | Dhraakellian | and, from my experience, gkrellm is superior |
01:48.01 | Mad_Scientist | Im going to play with it for a bit, see what all it does. |
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02:32.09 | clls | will kde 4 still use arts ? |
02:34.09 | Dhraakellian | no |
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02:37.09 | cpv | hola |
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02:37.14 | kahdgarxi | Hi. |
02:37.23 | Mad_Scientist | Hey...who was telling me about GKrellM? |
02:37.25 | kahdgarxi | :) |
02:38.00 | kahdgarxi | Does KDE have anything like gconf? |
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02:38.54 | Alethes | fortunately not |
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02:40.49 | kahdgarxi | Does anyone know of a way to adjust the amount that kmix adjusts the volume when it receives the DCOP commands to adjust it? |
02:40.55 | kahdgarxi | (aside from hacking the source...) |
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02:45.45 | Mad_Scientist | wow.. |
02:45.55 | ubuntuist | nice |
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03:15.25 | rr72 | hey all |
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03:18.04 | ryanoe1 | when it says blocks are 8 and should be 0, that means??? |
03:22.43 | ryanoe1 | well? |
03:22.49 | Mad_Scientist | I want to change how KDE looks. I mean, the colors of the title bar of the windows, and backgrounds, etc. Is this considered a theme? |
03:23.46 | ananke | Mad_Scientist : a theme is a collection of settings. colors/backgrounds can be a subset of a theme, or not. |
03:26.48 | kahdgarxi | is there a way to make KHotKeys accept direct input from the keyboard? (i.e. my multimedia keys generate keycodes in xev, but the only way i can get khotkeys to recognize them is to choose a keyboard layout similar to mine, and then it see a XF86-foo input, rather than just the keycode) is there a way to make it see the keycodes? |
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03:28.11 | mr__ | My kdm crash over and over, I mailed the list, but no one can helped me |
03:28.29 | mr__ | kde 3.4.1 , since kde 3.4.x kdm dont work, but in kde 3.2 and 3.3 works nice |
03:28.36 | mr__ | could you help me? |
03:29.35 | mr__ | Is slackware and kde 3.4.1 , as I said. |
03:30.20 | ananke | mr__ : you haven't said anything specific. |
03:30.45 | ananke | besides, if you use slackware and kde 3.4.1, it means: a) you use slackware -current, b) you got the kde packages from somewhere else |
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03:31.51 | mr__ | yes, is slackware current.. |
03:31.57 | mr__ | and kde 3.4.1, sure. |
03:32.10 | mr__ | Im upgrading since slackware 9.x current |
03:32.14 | mr__ | is the same installation |
03:32.23 | ananke | did you upgrade and install all packages? |
03:32.27 | mr__ | yes |
03:32.36 | ananke | well, check your logs |
03:32.59 | ananke | i'm willing to bet you didn't install all the required packages, especially from l/ |
03:33.16 | mr__ | but, kde is working fine.. the problem is with kdm |
03:33.29 | mr__ | and, I have all the packages. |
03:33.42 | mr__ | I read the requeriments page |
03:33.46 | mr__ | from kde.org |
03:33.55 | ananke | forget kde.org, focus on slackware |
03:34.07 | mr__ | yes, but the requeriments are for kde, not for slackware. |
03:34.13 | mr__ | This is what I meant. |
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03:34.42 | mr__ | Kdm stop working when I upgraded to kde 3.4 |
03:34.49 | mr__ | with the 3.x works nice |
03:35.09 | mr__ | I mailed kde people, searched in list, dont know.. but I cannot discover what the problem is |
03:35.13 | ananke | mr__, 'stopped working' tells me absolutely nothing |
03:35.34 | mr__ | no?.. I meant when I tried to start up, crash. easy. |
03:35.41 | mr__ | as I said before. |
03:35.42 | ananke | it's like you telling me that your car stopped running after you changed the engine, and you expect me to tell you what |
03:35.56 | mr__ | want to see the output from the crash? |
03:35.57 | ananke | crash means nothing. when does it crash for example? |
03:36.01 | ananke | duh, yes |
03:36.12 | mr__ | when?, when I wrote kdm, and press enter |
03:36.15 | rr72 | pastebin |
03:36.18 | mr__ | I only saw the background |
03:36.21 | mr__ | rr72 , sure. |
03:37.17 | ananke | mr__ : check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
03:37.36 | mr__ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/NrXDaO97.html |
03:37.44 | mr__ | there is the kdm crash output |
03:37.47 | mr__ | yes, let me check. |
03:39.12 | ananke | mr__ : i assume you're running glibc-2.3.5, right? |
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03:40.46 | mr__ | no, is glibc2.3.4 |
03:41.02 | mr__ | and glib2-2.6.4 |
03:41.25 | ananke | uhmm, silly |
03:41.43 | ananke | you can't just pick and choose what you want from -current and run it on 9.x. |
03:41.48 | Mad_Scientist | Trying to install a color scheme, and it says to open konqueror and browse to ~/.kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes I cant seem to find this. Where is it? |
03:42.04 | ananke | either stay and stick with -current, or stick to the stable one. none of that 'i'll just take one package, and leave the rest' |
03:42.32 | mr__ | .. |
03:42.49 | rr72 | ~ = /home/<username> |
03:42.57 | ananke | mr__ : i'd bet if you actually upgraded packages from 'a' and 'l', kdm would work |
03:43.43 | Mad_Scientist | file:/home/madscientist/.kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes does not exist |
03:43.53 | Mad_Scientist | Do I need some sort of color-scheme manager or something? |
03:44.02 | Mad_Scientist | Is that why it doesnt exist? |
03:44.17 | rr72 | works for me |
03:44.20 | rr72 | all i know |
03:45.45 | mr__ | well, I'll try, but I did not what you say. In fact, glibc in the version you say, is not part of the requeriments from kde.. so, ok, I could upgrade a and l, but kde dont require glibc ( detailed ) in that way |
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03:46.24 | mr__ | thanks for help me, anyway |
03:47.17 | ananke | mr__ : screw the kde requirements |
03:47.39 | mr__ | but if I want to install kde, its correct to see what its needed.. |
03:47.43 | mr__ | or not? |
03:47.45 | ananke | mr__, if you run slack-current, you should know better. kde 3.4.1 was released after the upgrade to glibc 2.3.5, which means it was compiled against 2.3.5 |
03:48.16 | ananke | mr__ ; no. you have to follow slackware, if you're going to use slackware packages. if you compiled kde from source, then you'd be following what kde.org says in terms of recommendations |
03:48.18 | mr__ | fantastice :-D |
03:48.25 | mr__ | I going to get kdm working, so. |
03:48.48 | mr__ | ananke ; no I must follow both. |
03:49.00 | mr__ | If I have that version of glibc, but not qt.. dont work |
03:49.03 | mr__ | ;-) |
03:49.14 | rr72 | much easier |
03:49.21 | mr__ | rr72 , no thanks. |
03:49.43 | rr72 | or even windows is easier than slackware |
03:49.50 | mr__ | ? |
03:51.10 | mr__ | ananke, In fact the slackware current I have is downloaded from your host :-D , dont know if you made it, but its downloaded from there. |
03:51.45 | ananke | mr__ : i just mirror slackware |
03:52.05 | ananke | mr__ : and no, you must follow slackware, if you're going to use slackware packages. |
03:52.12 | mr__ | ananke : well, But I downloaded it an year and days ago. |
03:52.21 | ananke | mr__ : huh? |
03:52.33 | mr__ | ananke , yes. |
03:52.37 | mr__ | ananke , huh? |
03:52.53 | ananke | yes what? |
03:53.02 | mr__ | dont know, you say "huh" |
03:53.03 | mr__ | tell me. |
03:53.04 | ananke | you downloaded kde 3.4.1 from me a year ago? |
03:53.13 | mr__ | thats no possible, I guess.. or yes? |
03:53.22 | mr__ | no, I downloaded slackware from your host |
03:53.47 | ananke | of course it's not possible, kde 3.4.1 wasn't out a year ago |
03:53.47 | mr__ | I did not say that. |
03:53.52 | mr__ | so.... |
03:53.59 | ananke | i have no clue what you're saying anymore |
03:54.04 | mr__ | thanks for the help. |
03:54.23 | mr__ | ananke, as you wish, thanks. |
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03:55.44 | ananke | i don't wish anything |
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03:56.30 | chino | how do i change the default browser ? |
03:56.32 | mr__ | ananke: fine :-D |
03:56.53 | rr72 | associations maybe? |
03:57.14 | rr72 | just to open *.htm in another browser |
03:58.05 | chino | yes |
03:58.05 | chino | well everything |
03:58.11 | chino | like if i make a link to a url on my desktop |
03:58.17 | chino | its gonna use konqueror |
03:58.19 | chino | which i dont wnat |
03:58.44 | rr72 | i always rightclick |
03:58.49 | chino | huh ? |
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03:58.50 | rr72 | and open dif app |
03:59.01 | chino | common there is a way |
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04:00.36 | chino | got it! |
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04:24.08 | litage | sometimes when i run audacity, it says it can't init the i/o layer: deadorange.com/audacity.png any idea how to fix his? /dev/dsp is chmod 777 and /dev/dsp0 is 666 |
04:24.33 | rr72 | does this always happen? |
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04:29.42 | litage | rr72: ye |
04:29.43 | litage | rr72: yes |
04:29.55 | rr72 | i was just wondering |
04:30.06 | rr72 | just trying to get others to think |
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05:25.21 | Triffid_Hunter | which library handles drag-drop? mine seems to be broken |
05:25.46 | jamesconf | QDrag |
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05:34.21 | AlaricX | Is there any KDE dcop call i can make to have the active application quit |
05:35.00 | jamesconf | yes |
05:35.11 | jamesconf | I think, pretty sure there is |
05:35.49 | AlaricX | Thanks! |
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05:35.54 | jamesconf | umm nop |
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05:48.08 | Roey | aseigo: hi. Something that reminded me of your arguments on implementing open source apps on Windows: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1835516,00.asp |
05:49.11 | Roey | Microsoft is starting to use this as a reason to stick with Windows. Note the quote "Many open-source applications, like Apache, now also run on both Windows and Linux, 'which is something to bear in mind,' he said." |
05:49.20 | aseigo | yes |
05:49.28 | aseigo | of course they do. it's pretty obvious =) |
05:49.40 | aseigo | i mean, if *i* can figure it out ;) |
05:49.56 | Roey | well this is the first I've seen that they're actually OK with promoting open source as long as it keeps people on their platform |
05:50.33 | Roey | well. |
05:50.47 | Roey | anyway, if you want to drive home this point, there's a nice source quote |
05:50.52 | Roey | (from that article) |
05:51.06 | aseigo | =) |
05:51.21 | aseigo | i actually already blogged about that article |
05:51.24 | Roey | oh! |
05:51.25 | Roey | ok |
05:51.26 | aseigo | it's sitting in my drafts on blogger.com |
05:51.33 | Roey | I see. |
05:51.37 | aseigo | since i already blogged today i figured i'd get a head start on tomorrow |
05:51.37 | aseigo | haha |
05:52.05 | Roey | btw, did you notice how blatant those MS links appear in the article? |
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05:52.24 | aseigo | yep. "advertising". *sigh |
05:52.31 | Roey | thye have one paragraph of text, followed by a link to more information about a certain MS this-or-that. |
05:53.03 | Roey | they're like commercials on TV; they break your concentration. |
05:54.14 | MrGrim | I've learned to go into a sort of hibernation when commercials come on.. almost a complete shutdown w/ the ability to restore when they are over |
05:54.18 | MrGrim | helps reduce concentration loss :P |
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05:57.04 | Roey | :) |
05:57.29 | jamesconf | I change the channel |
05:57.30 | Roey | MrGrim: speaking of hibernation, I think that's a good move for me right now.. |
05:57.32 | Roey | good night |
05:57.49 | AlaricX | eh-heh.. after searching somewhat through myriad programs/documentation/websites, i've not found any dcop call to get the active app :( |
05:58.15 | Roey | AlaricX: do you know of any dcop call to get a list of a Konqueror session's open tab names? |
05:58.33 | MrGrim | jamesconf: that's introduces the posibility of missing parts of teh show O_o |
05:59.07 | Roey | I can only find stuff to get Konqueror to list all its KHTML pages. But then, I don't know which ones go directly under the tab and which ones are separate (like advertisements, say) |
05:59.11 | jamesconf | MrGrim: PVR! |
05:59.54 | AlaricX | Roey: Nope, sorry |
05:59.55 | MrGrim | Roey: I see nothing |
06:00.07 | MrGrim | bug the kwin developers to work on kwin's crappy dcop interface |
06:00.13 | Roey | ok. |
06:00.14 | Roey | will do. |
06:00.18 | MrGrim | erm |
06:00.22 | MrGrim | that was for AlaricX |
06:00.32 | jamesconf | AlaricX: I got done looking at kwin's dcop interface right after you left. |
06:00.51 | AlaricX | jamesconf: yea, i was looking at it throughout :/ |
06:00.51 | MrGrim | it is kinda lacking |
06:00.52 | scrooge | hmm |
06:00.58 | scrooge | sounds in kde dont work anymore |
06:00.58 | scrooge | lol |
06:00.59 | Roey | I willput in a wish for them to make a simple call that will list the corresponding HTML page title or URL for every tab it has open. |
06:01.45 | MrGrim | didn't there use to be C bindings for dcop at once point? |
06:01.54 | scrooge | wat config would i remove to reset the audio? |
06:02.08 | aseigo | MrGrim: yes. still are AFAIK |
06:02.12 | aseigo | MrGrim: used primarily for bindings |
06:02.31 | scrooge | kmixrc? |
06:02.35 | MrGrim | I did a cursory look a few days ago and couldn't find them, will have to look harder |
06:02.43 | scrooge | knotifyrc sounds good |
06:02.46 | scrooge | rite? :/ |
06:02.55 | MrGrim | scrooge: ... perhaps your first instinct shouldn't be to delete things? |
06:03.01 | MrGrim | granted I dunno anything about kde sounds |
06:03.07 | scrooge | lol |
06:03.11 | scrooge | nah this happened before |
06:03.12 | MrGrim | but there's prolly something else more "elegant" you can do |
06:03.14 | scrooge | upgrade alsa |
06:03.16 | scrooge | and it dies |
06:03.16 | aseigo | scrooge: what are you trying to fix? |
06:03.19 | scrooge | rm the config |
06:03.21 | scrooge | and it works |
06:03.22 | aseigo | "it dies" |
06:03.26 | scrooge | sound |
06:03.35 | scrooge | system notifications do not work |
06:03.38 | aseigo | have you tried the Sound System control panel in kcontrol? |
06:03.41 | scrooge | yes |
06:03.42 | scrooge | many times |
06:03.43 | scrooge | enable |
06:03.45 | scrooge | disable |
06:03.46 | scrooge | etc etc |
06:03.50 | scrooge | no dice |
06:04.04 | aseigo | have you checked the page that lets you set the audio device and the sound driver? |
06:04.26 | scrooge | yes |
06:04.39 | scrooge | i set it to alsa, threaded, auto, still nothing |
06:04.42 | scrooge | not even test sound works |
06:05.01 | rr72 | night aseigo |
06:05.07 | rr72 | damn homework |
06:05.13 | scrooge | everything else works soundwise |
06:05.14 | rr72 | its 1 am and im doing homework |
06:05.15 | aseigo | rr72: g'nite |
06:05.18 | scrooge | amarok, gaim, muine |
06:05.18 | AlaricX | whenever i start up JuK, it quits, giving SIGABRT :( |
06:05.37 | MrGrim | I'll call in to work to get JuK working |
06:05.39 | MrGrim | music > * |
06:05.56 | AlaricX | music is indeed '> *' :-D |
06:06.02 | MrGrim | and w/ juk managing over 20 gigs now it needs to work :P |
06:06.27 | scrooge | device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) |
06:06.29 | AlaricX | I've got it managing barely 2 GB and ever since i did some partition work, it's given ABRT |
06:06.32 | MrGrim | (JuK) [Never, Never, Land] 10 - Unkle - Glow [0:03/4:18] [OGG/256kbps/6.65MB] |
06:06.34 | scrooge | i killall artsd and clicked test sound |
06:06.38 | scrooge | and now it says that |
06:07.03 | MrGrim | AlaricX: have you tried removing any auto scan directories from the list? |
06:07.10 | MrGrim | and clearing the database? |
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06:07.37 | MrGrim | scrooge: ya... killing the sound server would make it hard to play sound |
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06:07.44 | MrGrim | you have to renable it after killing it |
06:07.56 | Crell | Oops, clicked the wrong room. Sorry. |
06:08.04 | scrooge | clicking Test Sound restarts the server...... |
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06:08.18 | AlaricX | MrGrim: I was just about to rename the config file to check it out ;) |
06:08.22 | MrGrim | ... ppl click rooms? |
06:08.28 | scrooge | yes |
06:08.31 | MrGrim | what client does that? |
06:09.21 | MrGrim | are they like bookmarks or smthn? |
06:09.32 | scrooge | no |
06:09.33 | AlaricX | MrGrim: Well, when i renamed the config file, it started, counted my 296 (or 269) files and then threw ABRT |
06:09.35 | scrooge | its a guified /list |
06:09.35 | MrGrim | most I've seen is how konvi makes room names in channel conversation links |
06:09.56 | MrGrim | o.. /list is evil :P it always spanks my inet connection :P |
06:10.02 | scrooge | aseigo, any other suggestions? |
06:10.06 | scrooge | lol yea |
06:10.40 | MrGrim | AlaricX: maybe have a corrupt file in there |
06:10.47 | MrGrim | try adding album at a time to narrow it down |
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06:11.22 | aseigo | scode: you can try getting rid of `kde-config --localprefix`/share/config/kcmartsrc |
06:11.36 | scrooge | k |
06:11.40 | AlaricX | MrGrim: Woo, it started when i renamed the "juk" folder to "jukold", and it's listing all my MP3s |
06:12.03 | MrGrim | what happens if you name it back? :P |
06:12.42 | AlaricX | KCrash: Application 'juk' crashing... |
06:12.43 | AlaricX | :-D |
06:12.50 | AlaricX | but i'm pleased, it works now ;) |
06:12.58 | MrGrim | should do a bug report... that's weird |
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06:15.07 | AlaricX | nevermind |
06:15.08 | AlaricX | heh |
06:15.12 | AlaricX | i think i know the problem |
06:15.22 | AlaricX | my old juk/playlists file turned into a .. kget file?! |
06:15.35 | AlaricX | maybe a bit of fscking isn't out of the picture... |
06:15.48 | scrooge | if i open arts status app |
06:15.52 | scrooge | i can see the meters moving |
06:17.26 | scrooge | meh it wont work |
06:17.27 | scrooge | screw it |
06:17.36 | scrooge | im going to sleep |
06:17.40 | scrooge | nite |
06:17.41 | scrooge | thx |
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07:07.19 | rr72 | this should***!!! even out in the morning |
07:07.19 | rr72 | [tools]~ just wait it out |
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07:07.20 | chino | dam i needed help too |
07:07.20 | [tools] | rr72: noprob, i'm already figuring something out with kdesktop_lock |
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07:07.29 | rr72 | chino~ i have summer school. starts in 6 hours |
07:07.33 | rr72 | night |
07:07.38 | chino | lol later |
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07:10.01 | chino | i think it stopped |
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07:11.02 | chino | do you guys think i fi compile kdelibs in a regular location instead of /opt that my program will be able to find it ? |
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07:15.51 | Speedy2 | Does anyone recall the OSNews article that talked about how to "properly" setup fonts under Linux? I have setup KDE to use the Tahoma font, 8-pt just like my Win2000 seutp, but everything looks much smaller |
07:18.50 | jql | 8 pt? |
07:19.18 | Speedy2 | jql: That is what Win2000 uses by default and it's very readable on my machine |
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07:20.28 | Speedy2 | jql: I am running KDE 3.4.1 on the same machine, and I'm trying to get parity with what Win2000 does |
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07:20.47 | chino | <PROTECTED> |
07:20.49 | Speedy2 | I recall there was an OSNews article about fonts, hinting, what settings have to changed in freetype |
07:21.12 | Speedy2 | chino: I have changed KDE over to use Tahoma 8-pt, but the font is not the same size as in Win2000 |
07:21.24 | chino | what! ? |
07:21.31 | Speedy2 | Yes |
07:21.34 | Speedy2 | It feels that way |
07:21.42 | chino | i just asked a quiestion |
07:21.58 | chino | you want win fonts then get them from #windows |
07:22.14 | Speedy2 | chino: YOu are not paying attention. <Speedy2> chino: I have changed KDE over to use Tahoma 8-pt, but the font is not the same size as in Win2000 |
07:22.27 | Speedy2 | I am not asking for Windows fonts, I already have them |
07:23.01 | jql | when you say size, do you mean vertical size or horizontal? |
07:23.03 | mobtek | Speedy2: different windowing system, X deals with fonts a little differently from win2k iirc |
07:23.12 | jql | if the latter, I'd guess it's the anti-aliasing |
07:23.15 | Speedy2 | mobtek: Right, what can I do to achieve parity? |
07:23.22 | Speedy2 | jql: It seems "smaller" |
07:23.47 | jql | in both dimensions? |
07:23.47 | mobtek | 8pt is tiny at my res |
07:23.49 | mobtek | 1600x1200 |
07:23.54 | Speedy2 | Let me try disabling anti-aliasing. If I recall, there is one anti-aliasing engine that is disabled by default due to licensing, but once can enable it manually |
07:23.58 | Speedy2 | I am running 1280x1024 |
07:24.03 | Speedy2 | one sec, let me disable anti-aliasing |
07:24.18 | jql | resolution shouldn't matter if your monitor's been made in the past decade. :) |
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07:24.28 | Speedy2 | It was more like an F"YI" |
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07:24.32 | Speedy2 | err "FWIW" |
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07:26.16 | mobtek | heh |
07:26.18 | Speedy2 | I think it may have been the anti-aliasing settings |
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07:26.26 | Speedy2 | Strange, I would have not expected it to make it feel worse |
07:26.32 | Speedy2 | Damn, I wish I could find that article |
07:26.40 | Speedy2 | It did a good job of explaining this "stuff" |
07:27.12 | Speedy2 | It was an OSNews article, but I haven't had luck finding it |
07:27.19 | Speedy2 | (one of the few good ones on that site) |
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07:28.59 | jql | the full anti-aliasing in WindowsXP or X changes the font geometry. Most people don't turn on full anti-aliasing in XP, though |
07:29.01 | jql | it's slow |
07:29.06 | jql | for me, at least |
07:29.17 | jql | MS has a font smoothing option, though |
07:29.21 | jql | it's nice |
07:29.31 | jql | no geometry change |
07:29.43 | Speedy2 | I use the anti-aliasing setting in Win2000 -- don't know about XP |
07:29.50 | jql | 2k has font smoothing |
07:30.10 | Speedy2 | jql: I have it enabled on my 2k desktop for sure. |
07:30.15 | jql | yeah, me too |
07:30.16 | Speedy2 | jql: I'm also using a CRT, not an LCD |
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07:30.30 | jql | LCD is a whole other can of beans |
07:30.41 | Speedy2 | jql: I wonder is there a way to get KDE's anti-aliasing to work as it does on Win2000? |
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07:33.33 | jql | I think it's a matter of excluding certain font sizes from the anti-aliasing voodoo, and letting the (patented) font rounding thingy work |
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07:34.07 | jql | which is probably where the OSNews article would come in handy |
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07:35.01 | Speedy2 | jql: Yes, I think you're right...now if only that fscking article could be found |
07:35.15 | Gumby | does anyone know if there is a confirmed bug in the "get new wallpaper" option in kcontrol where the file extension is not saved when a new background is downloaded? |
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07:36.35 | jql | google for site:osnews.com font patent |
07:36.46 | jql | betcha one of those is it |
07:38.51 | Speedy2 | jql: Let's try |
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07:40.54 | Speedy2 | jql: No such luck |
07:40.55 | Speedy2 | FUCK |
07:40.57 | Speedy2 | It was a really good article |
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07:42.22 | Speedy2 | jql: Did you have any lcuk finding it? |
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07:43.56 | jql | nope |
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07:51.47 | solaries | if my audiocd:/ does not show MP3 folders, what's wrong? |
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07:54.13 | aum | hi - how do i set up global key bindings? |
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07:56.03 | choi | hello~ |
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07:56.18 | choi | does k3b take a lot of resource when it's buring DVD? |
07:56.30 | _jamesconf | no more then normal |
07:56.48 | choi | when i'm burning DVD, my mouse gets all jumpy, is that normal? |
07:56.56 | _jamesconf | nop |
07:57.02 | choi | what should i check? |
07:57.08 | _jamesconf | at least never happend for me. |
07:57.18 | choi | well, it didn't happen to me till now. |
07:57.33 | parapente | probably you haven't enabled dma |
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07:57.47 | choi | hmm............ |
07:58.15 | parapente | aum, go to Control Center ---> Regional & Accessibility ---> Command Shortcuts |
07:59.01 | choi | if i didn't enable dma, when i copy large files, my system will freeze for couple of seconds right? |
07:59.19 | aum | parapente: thx |
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08:00.04 | chino | isn't there a fake keybaord i can get on screen ? |
08:00.08 | chino | like if you only have a mouse ? |
08:00.41 | parapente | right choi |
08:00.51 | chino | ? |
08:01.05 | choi | but it doesn't happen with files |
08:01.07 | parapente | check with hdparm both your hard drive and dvdrecorder |
08:01.12 | choi | only with burning dvds |
08:01.25 | choi | i mean copying files from hard disks |
08:01.35 | choi | oh ok. |
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08:02.04 | aum | i used to much prefer gnome, but kde 3.3.2 makes gnome 2.x look sick and buggy |
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08:02.54 | chino | anyone ? |
08:03.30 | parapente | aum, also in Regional & Accessibility you can use HotKeys |
08:03.48 | chino | i need a on screen keybaord |
08:03.53 | parapente | 3.4 is also much faster |
08:03.54 | chino | so i can point iwth the mouse and hit keys |
08:04.20 | parapente | chino, sorry I don't know of any such program :-/ |
08:04.59 | Speedy2 | parapente: Are you sure DMA is enabled? I think an hdparm switch will tell you |
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08:05.45 | parapente | Speedy2, that's what I told choi. I don't have such a problem ;-) |
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08:06.01 | xame | what is the kde info center program command? |
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08:06.57 | parapente | xame, you mean K Control Center? |
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08:07.20 | xame | i don't think so, this command gives me information on the hardware, and other componenets of the kde system |
08:07.50 | _jamesconf | kinfocenter |
08:08.01 | xame | probably |
08:08.06 | choi | i just checked, DMA is on for my hd and cdrom |
08:08.20 | xame | no, doesn't seem to be it |
08:08.41 | xame | is there another command, that does somthing similar to that though? |
08:09.12 | choi | any other idea, what could cause this? |
08:09.39 | xame | it's something i used from the konsole window, certain options brought up gui's though |
08:10.11 | parapente | choi, are you using SCSI emulation to use the dvdr? |
08:10.24 | choi | not so sure |
08:10.30 | choi | where do i check that? |
08:10.50 | parapente | you use k3b for burning right? |
08:10.53 | choi | yeah |
08:11.02 | choi | right now, i'm burning some dvd |
08:11.11 | xame | i think i know what it is, system > information, it lists stuff like pci partitions, network interfaces, pcmcia proccessor, etc |
08:11.20 | choi | and it only gets to 2.5x |
08:11.24 | xame | that is in the contorl center |
08:11.25 | choi | it used to be 4.0x |
08:11.43 | parapente | if you go to k3b Preferences ---> Devices |
08:12.18 | parapente | you'll see the dvdr device you have and in Interface if you have SCSI emulation it will say something like SCSI device |
08:12.31 | parapente | otherwise it will say ATAPI device |
08:13.05 | choi | ok ok let me check |
08:13.41 | aum | does konqueror support multi-tab-row yet? |
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08:18.04 | choi | both are ATAPI interface |
08:18.11 | choi | should i be using SCSI emulator? |
08:20.56 | xame | how would i get to control center > system administration > information from the konsole window? |
08:20.57 | parapente | choi, no you shouldn't |
08:20.57 | choi | then ? |
08:20.57 | parapente | most distros nowadays use 2.6.x kernels and ATAPI is better |
08:21.04 | choi | icic.. |
08:21.53 | choi | it only happens when i'm burning dvds |
08:21.53 | choi | copying files from hd to hd , it's ok . |
08:21.53 | parapente | I have no other ideas :-/ |
08:21.54 | choi | icic.. |
08:21.56 | choi | thanks anywyas. |
08:21.57 | choi | :) |
08:22.01 | parapente | np :-) |
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08:29.56 | pinotree | hello =) |
08:30.51 | xame | how do i get information on kde from the konsole |
08:31.05 | pinotree | xame: which kind of info? |
08:31.49 | xame | well, sepcifcially control center > system administration > information |
08:31.57 | xame | it contains hardware info mainly |
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08:32.50 | xame | stuff like network interfaces, pci, pcmcia, proccessor, samba status, scsi sound, usb devices |
08:32.53 | pinotree | xame: fro hw info, uname -a |
08:32.58 | pinotree | ahhh |
08:33.12 | pinotree | they're taken from various sources |
08:33.12 | xame | the program i'm thinking of is specific to kde i think |
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08:33.53 | xame | i figured out one kinfocenter, but it's the wrong module |
08:37.06 | _jamesconf | xame: the commandline apps for that info |
08:37.57 | xame | _hamesconf is that a question? if it is, yes |
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08:45.36 | David23 | hi, is it now possible to merge and resize reiserfs partitions without data-loss? |
08:53.17 | _jamesconf | resize yes |
08:53.27 | _jamesconf | merge no, thats what cp is for |
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09:00.47 | hussam | any kde 3.4.1 users experiencing this crash? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922 |
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09:21.09 | jimmythescumbag | someone told me to do a make mrproper to try fix my BT848 tuner, now KDE wont load |
09:21.26 | jimmythescumbag | lots of errors, cannot connect to x server |
09:23.35 | jimmythescumbag | bah |
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09:28.43 | _RADIOhead | anyone know why i other users cant start kde session |
09:28.49 | _RADIOhead | check kde installation ERROR |
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09:32.41 | _RADIOhead | anyone |
09:32.41 | _RADIOhead | ? |
09:33.31 | lauri_ | which other users? |
09:33.37 | lauri_ | other than root? |
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09:38.19 | _RADIOhead | no |
09:38.19 | _RADIOhead | lauri_: |
09:38.24 | _RADIOhead | other then my user |
09:38.25 | _RADIOhead | slack |
09:38.26 | _RADIOhead | others |
09:38.28 | _RADIOhead | example |
09:38.30 | _RADIOhead | limited |
09:38.39 | _RADIOhead | user1 user2 user3 can not login |
09:38.55 | _RADIOhead | before 1 hour was ok |
09:39.02 | _RADIOhead | do not what happened now |
09:39.04 | lauri_ | so what did you do an hour ago? |
09:39.23 | _RADIOhead | lauri_: nothign man , i just exit users and login as me |
09:39.39 | _RADIOhead | her other users can owrk just when im not in and sure without any permissions |
09:39.58 | lauri_ | so if you log in, nobody else can? |
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09:40.42 | _RADIOhead | no no if i login they can stat new session when i lock my desktop, they cant login via kde or kdm or startx |
09:41.40 | lauri_ | how are you locking the desktop? |
09:41.58 | _RADIOhead | lauri_: done dude |
09:42.12 | lauri_ | what is done? |
09:42.12 | _RADIOhead | well go kde menu and lock session |
09:42.19 | _RADIOhead | i dont wanna use vlock :) |
09:42.21 | lauri_ | ok, you're not using xlock or anything else |
09:42.22 | _RADIOhead | lauri_: fix problem |
09:42.27 | _RADIOhead | i reinstall qt |
09:42.28 | lauri_ | you fixed it? |
09:42.36 | _RADIOhead | and libart_lgpl |
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09:50.32 | IIVQ | hi |
09:50.37 | IIVQ | a question |
09:50.58 | IIVQ | I just upgraded to kde 3.4 and now I can no longer access the "devices" tab in konqueror |
09:51.08 | IIVQ | any idea why? |
09:52.11 | benJIman | IIVQ: the devices:/ slave was renamed media:/ iirc |
09:52.23 | benJIman | probably you need to reset the sidebar to system defaults |
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09:53.24 | IIVQ | ah ok |
09:53.34 | IIVQ | why does everything have to change all the time |
09:53.45 | IIVQ | but how do I "reset" the sidebar? |
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09:55.01 | Waco | i have a general kde question |
09:55.01 | sloss | anyone know if KDE can be compiled with Qt 4.0? |
09:55.11 | pinotree | sloss: no |
09:55.19 | IIVQ | waco: shoot |
09:55.21 | Waco | after emerging kde |
09:55.21 | pinotree | Waco: don't ask to ask, just ask ;) |
09:55.28 | sloss | any second opinions? |
09:55.33 | Waco | will it automatically boot up into the graphical envioroment? |
09:55.55 | IIVQ | but is there something to configure the look of the items in the "media" tab? |
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09:56.13 | IIVQ | because my cf card does not look like a usb stick at all |
09:56.29 | IIVQ | and especially not like a bulky ugly usb stick :-P |
09:56.46 | IIVQ | Waco: after emerging with gentoo you mean? |
09:56.52 | IIVQ | no, it will not |
09:57.04 | Waco | what additional steps to i need to take? |
09:57.30 | benJIman | IIVQ: right click on the devices tab and click remove, then right click on the tabs and go add new-> folder, then right click that one and set url to media:/, is the easiest way of doing what you want I think |
09:57.57 | Waco | yes after emerging with gentoo |
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09:58.50 | IIVQ | "safely remove" ... it's time to switch to another graphical shell... one which does not look like windows |
09:59.10 | IIVQ | thx benJIman, that did the trick |
09:59.19 | lauri_ | oh please |
09:59.26 | lauri_ | change the icon theme to something you like better |
09:59.29 | IIVQ | now to find out how to configure the devices, but that's for later |
09:59.55 | IIVQ | lauri_: "safely remove" is not in the icon theme |
10:00.07 | lauri_ | and KDE does not look like windows |
10:00.26 | lauri_ | (kde removing all your devices, without asking, *that* would look like windows) |
10:00.39 | lauri_ | especially if it found them all twice over on the next startup |
10:01.00 | lauri_ | I once saw a machine with 14 cd burners in it, according to windows info thingy |
10:01.06 | benJIman | IIVQ: I think thes safely remove thing depends on your distros mounting scheme, not sure, but it only appears in some distros |
10:01.07 | IIVQ | welll.... I installed an upgrade to kde 3.3 -> 3.4 and I have to reinstall all my settings |
10:01.11 | IIVQ | all toolbars fucked up |
10:01.15 | lauri_ | which was cool, since it didn't actually have any (but it did have two cd-rom's that windows didn't see) |
10:01.28 | lauri_ | IIVQ: you need to shoot your packagers frankly |
10:01.29 | IIVQ | basically ... all the shortcuts that I really used stopped working ... |
10:01.35 | IIVQ | stopped being there |
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10:02.01 | IIVQ | lauri: gentoo |
10:02.04 | IIVQ | but I will |
10:02.10 | IIVQ | later, I'm moving |
10:02.16 | lauri_ | IIVQ: I've done a lot of upgrades, and if left to it's own devices, since we put an enormous amount of work into (there's a whole application *just for*) migrating user settings through upgrades |
10:02.44 | lauri_ | check what $KDEHOME is set to, check it's not versioned so you have like a ~/.kde3.3 and a ~/.kde3.4 or something |
10:02.47 | IIVQ | then the gentoo developers deserve a kick in the groin |
10:02.57 | IIVQ | or two |
10:03.00 | IIVQ | bye |
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10:03.05 | lauri_ | if you do, shut down kde, symlink the little buggers, or copy the old one over hte new one, restart KDE |
10:03.32 | benJIman | gentoo users always seem to have more problems than everyone else put together |
10:03.43 | lauri_ | it's not so much that |
10:03.48 | lauri_ | (i can't really say if they do or not) |
10:03.59 | lauri_ | it's that gentoo does not support them |
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10:04.25 | benJIman | isn't there a gentoo channel? |
10:04.42 | lauri_ | we used to get this with debian (a long time ago) - the debian people would send everyone here, if you just counted what went on in this channel, you'd think debianites had ten problems for every one of hte rest of the distributions put together |
10:05.10 | lauri_ | maybe they do, I don't know, but we don't see them here, when they are packaging related (and they almost always are), because debian has a good support structure |
10:05.31 | lauri_ | and yes there's a gentoo channel, but I've seen people come in *here* to ask kernel problems, because we're nice and won't kick them out, and the gentoo people are unfriendly :) |
10:06.25 | lauri_ | so if you're a gentoo user, do yourselves a favour, and when someone asks gentoo specific problems here, *take them to #gentoo* and answer there |
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10:08.00 | lauri_ | the other problem is, gentoo users (and some of their packagers) are not good at identifying what is and what is not a packaging related problem :) |
10:09.12 | benJIman | there's even a #gentoo-kde |
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10:14.09 | pRolph | hi |
10:14.19 | pRolph | is anyone here using a mac? |
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10:24.07 | v_ | Hi. Is there a way to change Konqueror's settings so that you must double click instead of single click to open files? I've gone through the 'Configure Konqueror' menu under Settings and can't seem to find the option. |
10:24.56 | pinotree | v_: kcontrol -> perhiperals -> mouse |
10:25.29 | v_ | pinotree: Thank you. |
10:25.36 | pinotree | np |
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10:32.38 | StevenR | Electronics: please turn off the away messages, cos they just suck :) |
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10:35.00 | aji-dahaka | shouldn't be particularly relevant, but FreeBSD CURRENT running kde 3.4.1: Is there a way to have xmodmap run everytime I switch keyboard layouts? |
10:35.28 | v_ | One more question. In Konqueror, I have black text on a white background. When I click to rename a file, the text goes white. Is there anyway to correct this? |
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10:37.04 | saulus | hello, im using gentoo, and after serious problems (my battery gone empty while update) i cant open webpages with konqueror. It says: Fails with kio_http |
10:37.34 | aji-dahaka | saulus: perhaps you've not gotten all of kdelibs installed? |
10:38.21 | saulus | kdelibs inherits kio_http ? I just need to know where the kio is in. After that i can kill that problem. And you aji-dahaka say thats in kdelibs? |
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10:39.01 | aji-dahaka | kio_http should be in kdelibs |
10:39.03 | aji-dahaka | (iirc) |
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10:39.52 | saulus | ok, i have a try. Thanks |
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10:40.28 | Zukero | hi |
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10:40.41 | aji-dahaka | hello |
10:41.05 | Zukero | I just installed several locales for KDE, how can I make gdm let me choose one of these before starting KDE ? |
10:41.09 | v_ | The white on white makes it difficult to rename the files without replacing everything |
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10:42.09 | aji-dahaka | Zukero: I think you'd need a #gnome or #gdm channel for that, but I'm not sure it can |
10:42.23 | aji-dahaka | Zukero: usually the locales are chosen on a user-by-user basis |
10:42.45 | aji-dahaka | v_: is this possibly a setting in the colours dialogue? |
10:42.56 | aji-dahaka | v_: kcontrol -> appearance & themes -> colours |
10:43.02 | aum | hi - i upgraded to kde 3.3.2 on debian - now all the toolbar icons in konq have disappeared - any ideas? |
10:44.19 | Zukero | ok thx aji-dahaka |
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10:45.32 | aum | in fact, ALL my kde apps have blank (no) icons on the toolbars |
10:46.07 | benJIman | aum: sounds like a packaging problem, perhaps you havn't installed the newer icons, how old a version were you upgrading from? |
10:46.20 | aum | 3.1 i think |
10:46.38 | aji-dahaka | aum: try changing your theme to something else and then back? |
10:47.34 | aji-dahaka | that's what cleared up my similar problem. |
10:47.48 | aum | i got no themes! |
10:47.56 | lauri_ | none? |
10:47.59 | aji-dahaka | that seems wrong... |
10:48.00 | lauri_ | you should have at least two |
10:48.34 | lauri_ | you're wanting the icons control panel, not the theme manager one |
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10:49.29 | Zukero | aji-dahaka : how can I set a locale for a given user ? |
10:50.01 | aji-dahaka | Zukero: login as that user and go to kcontrol -> regional whatever |
10:50.11 | Zukero | ok |
10:50.19 | Zukero | thx |
10:50.19 | aji-dahaka | Zukero: and don't forget to set the relevant environment variables |
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10:50.49 | Zukero | yeah |
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10:52.39 | aum | ran the desktop setup wizard and all the icons came back :) |
10:52.48 | aji-dahaka | :) |
10:52.50 | aji-dahaka | hooray! |
10:52.52 | aum | thx |
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10:53.07 | Zukero | aji-dahaka : how can I make these environment variable definitive? |
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10:53.17 | aum | now, does konqueror have multi-tab-row capability (like firefox)? |
10:53.32 | aji-dahaka | Zukero: I would set it in the individual user's .xsession |
10:53.44 | aji-dahaka | aum: multi-tab-row? |
10:54.10 | aum | yes, when firefox has too many tabs open, it displays the tabs on multiple rows |
10:54.29 | aji-dahaka | Zukero: umm...try adding something to the file ~/.xsession and see if it runs :) |
10:54.41 | aji-dahaka | Zukero: it should get read by the xdm (in this case gdm) |
10:54.53 | aji-dahaka | aum: I think konq displays arrows |
10:54.54 | Zukero | aji-dahaka : i did that once, it crashed the session :) |
10:54.59 | aum | eek |
10:55.06 | aji-dahaka | aum: I don't know if there's a way to change that behaviour |
10:55.14 | aji-dahaka | (emphasis on not knowing) |
10:55.14 | aum | multi-tab-row is a killer feature |
10:56.01 | aji-dahaka | Zukero: it /shouldn't/ ... but you /may/ need to put the windowmanager in the .xsession, too ... more questions for a #gdm channel |
10:56.05 | aji-dahaka | Zukero: kde uses kdm |
10:56.25 | benJIman | aum: tabs become counterproductive when you have large numbers like over 50 |
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10:56.47 | benJIman | better to have a few related tabs on each window probably |
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10:56.53 | aji-dahaka | aum: I guess what I'm missing, is what happens if you keep going? |
10:56.57 | aum | but tab-row scroll arrows are a pain when one has 10-40 tabs open |
10:57.00 | aji-dahaka | aum: does it eventually fill the whole browser with tabs? |
10:57.09 | aji-dahaka | aum: and if you keep going from there? |
10:57.13 | aum | you can set a limit on number of tab rows |
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10:58.14 | aum | i must say tho that konq's text rendering is really clean |
10:59.26 | aji-dahaka | welp, I'm off for a while |
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11:38.27 | bb | how can i remove old entries from my Kmenu-most used applications? |
11:40.23 | benJIman | bb: ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc there's a recentapps section, dunno if there's a gui for doing it |
11:41.07 | bb | benJIman: thanks, i'll remove them by hand :) |
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12:17.20 | anisX | erghh.. |
12:17.29 | anisX | why this question is hard to answer! |
12:17.38 | anisX | give three examples of problems likely to be encountered when operational database are integrated into data warehouse |
12:17.50 | anisX | bruUrr.. |
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13:11.04 | lasindi | I have a thin line that goes along the top of my taskbar. I can change it's color by changing the window background color. How can I get rid of it? |
13:12.20 | StevenR | lasindi: be reprogramming the widget would be the only way really |
13:12.40 | aji-dahaka | lasindi: is that the background image one? configure taskbar and get rid of the background image? |
13:12.40 | lasindi | StevenR, ah, you're here too. :) |
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13:12.59 | StevenR | lasindi: yup, i am here too |
13:13.12 | pRolph | how long does it take to compile KDE? |
13:13.26 | lasindi | pRolph, about 12 hours. |
13:13.39 | pRolph | Are you teasing? |
13:13.42 | StevenR | pRolph: as long as it takes....obviously it depends on your system |
13:13.44 | lasindi | Depends on your hardware too, but no. |
13:13.52 | pRolph | G5 512mb ram |
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13:14.20 | pRolph | well I don't know if it's compiling |
13:14.20 | lasindi | I've got Athlon 3200, 1024 GB RAM. |
13:14.20 | pRolph | but I get stuff like |
13:14.21 | pRolph | checking whether to use Xpm library... maybe |
13:14.21 | StevenR | pRolph: i'd guess about 7hours, if it was doing nothign else at all |
13:14.21 | pRolph | fofi -I./../splash -I. -I/usr/X |
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13:15.09 | Batchy | 1024 GB RAM !!! |
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13:15.17 | Batchy | i don't believe you :) |
13:15.21 | lauri | heh |
13:15.40 | lauri | me either, but I suspect it was a typo :) |
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13:16.11 | Forge5 | hi guys. Where do you submit "feature wishis" to the KDE developers (For stuff that's well beyond your own skills) ? |
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13:16.41 | lauri | bugs.kde.org |
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13:16.43 | pRolph | and I was hopping for a 30 minute installation time |
13:16.45 | lauri | file them as wishlist items |
13:16.58 | lauri | pRolph: installation of precompiled binary packages, wouldn't even take that lnog |
13:17.01 | Forge5 | lauri. Thanks. |
13:17.06 | lauri | building it from scratch, takes a lot longer |
13:17.23 | lauri | and can hardly be called 'installation' (that's just a tiny fraction of what is happening) |
13:18.30 | pRolph | I just wanted to try kdevelop :( |
13:18.39 | lauri | then install the binaries |
13:18.42 | lauri | you'd have been done already |
13:19.11 | lauri | (and you don't need all of kde, you probably want kdelibs, base and maybe sdk, and kdevelop itself) |
13:20.20 | pRolph | lauri: I'm a nut case, I'm on Mac OS X |
13:20.45 | annma | pRolph: just install a ppc distro |
13:21.05 | pRolph | Link? I've been trying to get one :( |
13:21.18 | annma | google for ppc linux distribution |
13:21.55 | lauri | fink, or opendarwin, don't one of them make packages for os X? |
13:22.06 | pRolph | Apparently not for Tiger |
13:22.53 | lauri | oh ok :( |
13:22.59 | lauri | you're in for a bit of a wait then |
13:23.09 | lauri | but if you only compile hte stuff I said, it's a much shorter wait |
13:23.37 | lauri | half, at least, probably more (I don't really time builds, I run them overnight, I can't give you real numbers) |
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13:26.12 | StevenR | lauri: just out of curiosity, what distro do you use? |
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13:27.27 | aji-dahaka | freebsd |
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13:30.21 | lauri | heh, I was in another window |
13:30.25 | lauri | and yes, FreeBSD |
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13:35.02 | expose | Hi |
13:35.16 | lauri | hi |
13:35.40 | expose | how do i convince kwin that it is a nice idea to save the windows position and size of firefox, konqueror etc so it gets started maximized the next time also? |
13:35.52 | expose | kde 3.4.1 |
13:35.54 | StevenR | lauri: on what hardware? do you happen to know if it will work on a nforce2 system? |
13:36.06 | expose | PieD: ping |
13:36.11 | StevenR | expose: set app specifc window parameters in kcontrol |
13:36.17 | PieD | expose: pong :) |
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13:36.36 | PieD | expose: too late, StevenR answered :) |
13:36.40 | lauri | yes, with the caveat, there's a whole lot of completely different stuff being sold with an nforce2 badge stuck on it |
13:37.04 | StevenR | lauri: it's an asus nforce2 based mobo |
13:37.08 | expose | PieD: recorded the speech, but i did some mistakes while recording. so it has been useless, except the first few words where they welcome everyone. sorry |
13:37.15 | lauri | grab a freesbie livecd |
13:37.25 | StevenR | lauri: can you recommend a good one? |
13:37.25 | lauri | see if it'll boot, and what it sees on your motherboard |
13:37.27 | PieD | ho yes, the speech... I forgot it :/ |
13:37.39 | lauri | yes: freesbie is the name of hte live cd distribution |
13:37.50 | StevenR | lauri: i tried one, and it did boot, but when i say work i mean sound and network and usb and all the other stuff |
13:38.11 | lauri | I don't know |
13:38.17 | StevenR | yeah that was what i tried, but i didn't know how to get the net up |
13:38.18 | lauri | there's *dozens* of nforce2 boards |
13:38.24 | StevenR | ok, thanks anyways :) |
13:38.29 | lauri | most of them work |
13:38.37 | lauri | but I can't promise you anything, I simply don't know |
13:38.43 | expose | StevenR: cant i "preset" it to save it all the time for every app? |
13:38.45 | StevenR | that's cool |
13:38.53 | StevenR | expose: ? |
13:38.57 | lauri | especially if it's very new (it moves *fast* though, if it doesn't work now, it might very well do in 2 weeks or a month) |
13:39.12 | StevenR | the mobo is nearly 2yr old now |
13:39.27 | lauri | oh, that's just about a sure bet then |
13:39.34 | StevenR | cool :) |
13:39.56 | StevenR | expose: what do you mean exactly? |
13:40.01 | expose | Well. I want app applications to have exactly the same size and position after closing and reopening. |
13:40.28 | expose | and i dont want to set a "secial case" for every application in kcontrol....that's far too much work... |
13:41.02 | aji-dahaka | expose: you want all programs to open the exact same size and place? |
13:41.07 | StevenR | how many apps do you want? |
13:41.24 | expose | All installed applications stevenr |
13:41.32 | expose | aji-dahaka: yes. |
13:41.46 | aji-dahaka | expose: may I ask why? |
13:42.15 | StevenR | expose: then change the options for window placement |
13:42.15 | lauri | StevenR: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/hardware-i386.html#SUPPORT |
13:42.23 | lauri | dig through that for nforce (it'll be listed a lot, under each device type) |
13:42.28 | StevenR | lauri +++++ |
13:42.33 | StevenR | ty |
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13:42.34 | lauri | and if it's *not* on there, that doesn't mean it's not supported |
13:42.39 | StevenR | :) |
13:42.44 | lauri | but if it's on there, it's *definitely* supported :) |
13:42.50 | expose | aji-dahaka: wait a second. translating, testing, searching |
13:43.20 | expose | StevenR: where can i find it? |
13:43.27 | StevenR | in kcontrol |
13:43.37 | StevenR | under desktop |
13:45.08 | expose | hm. well. i cannot find anything there.... |
13:45.35 | StevenR | lauri: well sounds is known to work, and network...might work |
13:45.49 | expose | can you tell me the exact place? i feel blind :-| |
13:47.06 | StevenR | expose: i can't seem to see it :S |
13:47.31 | expose | so you cant find it either? |
13:48.33 | expose | i think i just got it. |
13:48.39 | StevenR | where? |
13:49.16 | expose | Well... |
13:49.43 | expose | I went to kcontrol -> desktop -> windowspecific settings -> new |
13:50.07 | pRolph | can freebsd be much easier to install compared to Linux? |
13:50.12 | expose | then i made a generic "windowspecific setting", that fits all "normal windows" so, no dialog boxes etc |
13:50.21 | StevenR | hmm, that might work |
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13:50.30 | expose | then i switched size and position to "remember" and left it alone. |
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13:50.54 | StevenR | expose: that might work...:) |
13:50.59 | expose | pRolph: this question is not answerable, since you used "can" in it... |
13:51.09 | pRolph | but in general |
13:51.32 | expose | pRolph: if you want me to, i can build a freebsd/linux distributions that will take you 34 years to install ;-) |
13:51.56 | pRolph | lol |
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13:52.12 | expose | StevenR: it actually does. but i'm not sure wether there is a "cleaner" way to achive this... |
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13:52.32 | StevenR | expose: i don't think so, seem you hit the answer there |
13:52.35 | pRolph | Well ok, more like which has better hardware support? |
13:52.44 | expose | linux. |
13:53.27 | lauri | ok, is leonid mamchenkov here? |
13:54.15 | expose | pRolph: Okay. Since you asked this question, i assume you arent that experienced and so on. otherwise you could have answered it yourself. conclusion: use linux, instead of *bsd |
13:54.40 | expose | pRolph: When you are to use bsd, you wont need to ask anything in order to install it then. |
13:54.44 | expose | :-) |
13:54.52 | pRolph | are you telling me 'I've never done it before' ? |
13:55.13 | expose | done what? install bsd? i did. |
13:55.31 | pRolph | and did you like it? |
13:56.10 | expose | i ran an openbsd server for quite a while. but i dont consider bsd as suiteable for a desktop user that needs to ask the question you asked :-) |
13:56.33 | pRolph | ok |
13:56.52 | expose | if at all suiteable for a desktop, considering support of software and hardware vendors and the missing availability of some applications. |
13:57.26 | expose | (of course all this may change in the future, but i think of whats now) |
13:57.40 | lauri | openbsd may not be, but that has nothing to do with freebsd |
13:57.55 | lauri | different kernel, different development for ~10 years, different packaging, different strategy |
13:58.14 | lauri | you may as well base your opinion of linux on having run solaris before |
13:58.17 | pRolph | What for Linux? |
13:59.03 | aji-dahaka | I think freebsd is a great desktop os |
13:59.05 | lauri | this is really not the place to ask for os or distribution recommendations anyway, go find a bunch of livecd's and try them |
13:59.07 | aji-dahaka | especially for computer beginners |
13:59.13 | aji-dahaka | :) |
13:59.26 | expose | lauri: well. Since he asks this i wouldnt assumed that he isnt knowing that much. so id suggest linux which is the most main-stream opensource system afaik. |
13:59.30 | lauri | (KDE is desktop agnostic) |
13:59.52 | aji-dahaka | expose: linux is NOT an operating system |
13:59.56 | lauri | he asked about freebsd, you told him about openbsd |
14:00.09 | lauri | irrelevant answer to an off topic question |
14:00.24 | expose | aji-dahaka: it's a kernel. now dont be over-precise and expect me to say "GNU/Linux" or whatsoever. |
14:00.28 | lauri | and, end of conversation |
14:00.38 | expose | :-) |
14:00.47 | lauri | (why? because it very quickly degenerates into silly fights over what to *call* the damn thing :) |
14:00.59 | aji-dahaka | expose: well, each distro would be an OS and none of them are as popular as freebsd...anyways...off to do something productive |
14:01.19 | expose | ack. it's a religious question, which always has irrational answers :P |
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14:01.55 | expose | StevenR: it doesnt work. |
14:02.01 | StevenR | expose: ? |
14:02.03 | pRolph | Have you tried mac os x? |
14:02.12 | expose | pRolph: please... |
14:02.29 | bayertm | I've run Freebsd on a desktop for awhile |
14:02.34 | expose | and besides i have a 1.2k euro mac in house. |
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14:03.19 | expose | StevenR: Well. When i run app A, app B will have the same window-settings as app A had. |
14:03.22 | lauri | *enough* already |
14:03.23 | wooden | hi |
14:03.24 | expose | that's not what i wanted. |
14:03.32 | expose | hi wooden |
14:03.48 | wooden | can i configure kmail to make every account a own incoming, ourgoing ... ? |
14:03.52 | wooden | like in thunderbird |
14:03.54 | StevenR | expose: i did say it might work, i don't know really..sorry |
14:04.04 | expose | okay. |
14:04.15 | lauri | wooden: look at the identities |
14:04.17 | StevenR | expose: it's something i've never tried to do |
14:04.35 | lauri | you can have different identities per incoming server, and set different outgoing ones per identity (you can even have the identity change per folder) |
14:04.54 | wooden | lauri: there is nothing |
14:04.56 | StevenR | lauri: hehe...there's another big unix/bsd/linux debate in ##slackware as well |
14:05.44 | lauri | well, go there then |
14:05.44 | expose | StevenR: well - how do you do this then? do you resize firefox/konqueror etc every single time you fire it up!? |
14:05.52 | lauri | I won't kick you out of *there* for it :) |
14:05.59 | expose | Hm. |
14:06.09 | lauri | wooden: what do you mean there is nothing? |
14:06.18 | lauri | add more identities if you want them |
14:06.23 | StevenR | expose: well konqueror's size is saved in the profile, firefox just comes up maximised cos it does |
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14:06.51 | StevenR | expose: everything just sorta works here, the only thing i had to force was Eterm to have it stuck to the desktop |
14:07.08 | wooden | lauri: there is no option i need |
14:07.25 | wooden | i want for all accounts a own folder with incoming, outgoing, trash.... |
14:07.37 | lauri | ok, then set them that way |
14:07.42 | lauri | (kmail can do that too) |
14:07.48 | expose | StevenR: yes....just realized that it does so here now again also. dont ask why. but it always did so, gave up working for a day or two (wasnt maximized) and now, after deleting the window-specific setting does again...lets forget about it |
14:07.50 | wooden | how?? |
14:08.14 | StevenR | expose: hehe :) magic pixies, possibly faeries |
14:08.17 | lauri | in each incoming accounts dialog, you can set a trash folder |
14:08.34 | lauri | for each identity (which you can attach to a particular account) you can specify a drafts and sent-mail folder) |
14:08.56 | expose | StevenR: yes. i think so too :-) |
14:09.15 | expose | I use konsole, so i dont have this problem |
14:09.32 | StevenR | expose: i have Eterm nailed to the desktop to show top and mbmon |
14:09.41 | StevenR | i use konsole for my term mostly |
14:09.49 | expose | .oO(...and my girlfriend ;-) ...) |
14:11.22 | expose | I dont have any monitors on the desktop...just a few items. trying to keep it simple, not-nervous, clean and calm :-) |
14:11.33 | expose | s/items/icons/ |
14:11.43 | expose | okay. going on working....thank's StevenR |
14:11.48 | StevenR | np |
14:12.00 | StevenR | i have a few random icons |
14:12.14 | expose | for giving the not-working solution that in the end fixed it in it's magical way :-) |
14:12.22 | StevenR | hehe |
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14:16.19 | mastertet | Hey everyone |
14:16.39 | mastertet | just started using kde, it has a nice system config tool (just what I was missing) |
14:16.59 | elvstone | hey anyone had "Unable to save picture - upload failed" when trying to save an image in Kolourpaint? |
14:17.07 | mastertet | I love AfterStep and I would like to use it with KDE, how can I change KDE window manager? |
14:17.20 | mastertet | I'm using Slackware with KDE 3.3 |
14:17.42 | elvstone | i _really_ need to save this picture. |
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14:18.17 | StevenR | elvstone: save it locally |
14:18.36 | elvstone | StevenR: that's what i'm doing. |
14:18.44 | lauri | elvstone: ksnaphsot it :) |
14:18.46 | StevenR | elvstone: out of disk space? |
14:18.59 | elvstone | noop. i have GBs of space. |
14:19.16 | StevenR | trying to save it somewhere where you dont have write permissions? check them |
14:19.37 | elvstone | StevenR: i just saved another picture to the exact same location, from kolourpaint. |
14:20.12 | StevenR | try to save it using a different name |
14:20.15 | elvstone | lauri: unfortunately, the image is larger in the y axis than what my monitor is capable of showing.. otherwise i might have ksnapshotted it. |
14:20.23 | lauri | oh darn |
14:20.32 | lauri | elvstone: try save as another format |
14:20.50 | lauri | it could be just the kimgio thingy for that format is busted, and we can debug that later, but lets get your picture saved first |
14:21.03 | lauri | (there's been a rash of jpeg weirdness around lately) |
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14:21.19 | elvstone | weird, saving as "sejersted.png" instead of "sejersted:socialdemokratin.png" worked. |
14:21.39 | StevenR | i don't think you can have : in a filename |
14:21.52 | elvstone | but i just saved a file with the name "g?rdenfors:tankens.png" successfully. |
14:22.03 | StevenR | hmmm.. |
14:22.04 | elvstone | why can't i have ':' in a file name? |
14:22.12 | StevenR | i don't know if you can or not |
14:22.20 | lauri | don't know, why can't you? |
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14:22.34 | lauri | you saving on a samba share? |
14:22.39 | elvstone | noop. locally. |
14:22.41 | elvstone | to ~. |
14:22.47 | elvstone | okay. it worked for one file name, not another (with : that is). |
14:22.58 | elvstone | i'll see if it's related to the length of the filename somehow.. |
14:23.15 | lauri | how odd |
14:23.23 | lauri | I use :: all the time (as a delimiter in patches) |
14:23.34 | lauri | so I can remember where to apply them again |
14:23.50 | lauri | (like svn::kdelibs::thingy::somewhere::foo.cpp.patch) |
14:23.50 | elvstone | yep. that's the format the patches for freebsd ports use too. |
14:24.01 | lauri | heh, where do you think I learnt it (from making port patches :) |
14:24.46 | elvstone | ah ;) |
14:24.51 | elvstone | hrm. this is truly weird. |
14:24.52 | lauri | although mostly it's '-' now |
14:24.59 | lauri | but i like the old way :) |
14:25.07 | lauri | then I can use - as a word delimiter too |
14:25.18 | lauri | without confusing myself (which is something oh so easily done9 |
14:25.34 | elvstone | i'm having the same image open in kolourpaint.. if i try to save the buffer as sejersted:socialdemokratin.png i get an error, if i save it as g?rdenfors:tankens.png, it works. |
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14:26.13 | lauri | humm |
14:26.19 | lauri | I give up |
14:26.29 | lauri | from your second filename, are you running in a utf8-locale? |
14:26.49 | lauri | the only (off the wall) suggestin I can come up with is that :s is unicode for something (ie, it looks to the app like a double encode byte in the filename) |
14:26.58 | elvstone | i used to run KDE with sv_SE.UTF-8, but now i'm using sv_SE again. |
14:27.01 | lauri | but that'd be stupid |
14:27.52 | lauri | elvstone: yeah, I hit big issues with smb using sv_SE.UTF-8, but sv_SE.8859-15 is fine (did you log out and back in after that, because your filename as pasted here still showing with a ? in it, like it's the wrong encoding) |
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14:29.16 | elvstone | i've rebooted since i removed 'export LANG="sv_SE.UTF-8"' from ~/.kde/env/locale.sh.. |
14:29.44 | elvstone | (btw i tried saving as sejersted:tocialdemokratin.png, with same error). |
14:30.06 | elvstone | (changed to ':s' to ':t', as in the file name that worked). |
14:30.22 | lauri | maybe it's objecting to your political leanings? |
14:30.33 | elvstone | could be. hrm. |
14:30.41 | elvstone | oh well, i can stand this for now.. need to get this done. |
14:30.44 | lauri | maybe try moderaterna :) |
14:31.07 | elvstone | yea, there's a kcontrol setting for that somewhere, right? ;) |
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14:31.28 | lauri | heh, why not, we have kcontrol settings for everything :) |
14:32.36 | elvstone | renaming sejersted.png to sejersted:socialdemokratins.png worked fine. |
14:33.02 | lauri | oooh |
14:33.07 | lauri | "Could not save remote file" |
14:33.47 | lauri | that's defniitely a bug |
14:34.11 | elvstone | no. it's "Could not save image - failed to upload" i think. |
14:34.27 | lauri | i tried kedit (in english) |
14:34.27 | elvstone | (i'm getting the string in swedish). |
14:35.08 | elvstone | okay, and you got a similar error when trying to save locally? the error string is a bit misleading to say the least. |
14:35.29 | lauri | you can quote it |
14:35.35 | lauri | "foo:bar.txt" works |
14:35.42 | lauri | saves you a file called.... "foo:bar.txt" |
14:35.43 | lauri | :) |
14:36.02 | elvstone | including the double quotes? |
14:36.08 | lauri | yup :) |
14:36.23 | lauri | and you can save: foo\:too.txt |
14:36.32 | lauri | which literally gets you a file named that |
14:36.49 | elvstone | ah. oh well. i just have to do this for 10 or so book covers, so i'll manage with renaming them later on. |
14:36.53 | lauri | but anything alpha numeric before the : and it tries to parse teh beginning bit as a hostname i think |
14:36.59 | elvstone | btw i'm doing a product catalog for my dads publishing company, and right now i'm cutting some covers from acroread7 and pasting them into kolourpaint from old an old broschure PDF (for some reason Gimp coudn't see the clipboard). |
14:37.09 | lauri | heh |
14:37.18 | lauri | you can cut them beautifully in kpdf, you know? |
14:37.46 | elvstone | well, acroread has a setting to override the extract resolution. |
14:37.50 | elvstone | otherwise i'd use kpdf. |
14:38.09 | elvstone | so the socialdemokratins in the filename does not pertain to my political beliefs, just a book title.. that's what i wanted to say ;) |
14:38.10 | lauri | ok, I'll let you off |
14:38.22 | lauri | heh, dude, I knew that :) |
14:38.32 | lauri | i mean, i didn't assume that it did |
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14:38.47 | elvstone | heh. |
14:39.05 | elvstone | s/slavery/slaving/, oops. |
14:39.24 | lauri | besides, I like them right now |
14:39.46 | elvstone | they did something good? ;) |
14:40.03 | randcoop | I'm working with a live cd...I need to be able to tell kde (kontact, kmail) to invoke aspell from the klik cmg package (instead of looking in the /usr/bin). Does anyone know how I might do that? |
14:40.04 | lauri | yeah, they changed some immigrationverket stuff |
14:40.29 | elvstone | ah. well that's good then. |
14:40.47 | lauri | so I get to skip the line and go straight to the front, instead of the usual, get 34 different stories from everyone you talk to, and 8 weeks for them to tell you they need 14 more bits of paper and 10 months to notice they still need another 11 and in some different language than you already have them |
14:41.13 | lauri | now I find that stuff out right away :) |
14:41.14 | elvstone | damn that sounds so swedish. good for you. |
14:41.43 | lauri | it's not me, it's my smallest daughter (some time when you are not busy, remind me to tell you the story :) |
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14:42.59 | elvstone | heh, i see. come to think of it, i remember reading your website some time, you're in Motala or something right? |
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14:43.39 | elvstone | i'm in Nora (outside Orebro). this day is killing me. almost 30 in the shade! |
14:44.01 | elvstone | oh well i need to get back to work.. |
14:44.10 | lauri | heh, you're right next door |
14:44.12 | lauri | I'm in Köping |
14:44.49 | elvstone | ah, right. |
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14:46.43 | StevenR | is there any way i can restrict the amount of space kde takes up with image thumbnails? |
14:47.03 | StevenR | currently my .thumbnails dir is 323MB |
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14:47.20 | lauri | ouch |
14:47.37 | lauri | off the top of my head, |
14:47.41 | lauri | I don't remember |
14:47.58 | StevenR | i've looked all over kcontrol |
14:48.07 | lauri | you can empty it |
14:48.10 | lauri | but that's silly |
14:48.20 | StevenR | that's doesn't solve the problem |
14:48.25 | lauri | just a way of 'remove it if I haven't called for this thumbnail in X days" would be better |
14:49.26 | lauri | the .thumbnails is xdg stuff though, lets go look at that spec and see if there's anything in there about it |
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14:51.45 | lauri | well, and that completely doesn't even mention anything about the size of the cache |
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14:53.55 | lauri | sorry, I can't help you with that one |
14:54.59 | StevenR | :( |
14:55.04 | StevenR | thanks anyway |
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14:56.42 | StevenR | some of them are very very old |
14:56.59 | lauri | well, find can easily dig them out and remove them |
14:57.07 | lauri | and you know it'll recreate them if they are needed |
14:57.30 | lauri | depending on your os and settings, you might be able to search against atime to grab the ones least accessed, and remove them |
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14:59.00 | elvstone | maybe set up a cron job with 'find /your/home/.thumbnails -amin 1440+ -exec rm {} \;' |
14:59.04 | elvstone | or something like that. |
14:59.23 | StevenR | hmm..maybe |
14:59.46 | StevenR | i'd much rather i could just set it to not allow as much space to be taken up |
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15:00.14 | StevenR | 324mb now |
15:00.37 | illogic-al | hoohaa |
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15:01.03 | elvstone | (btw i meant +1440 above).. hrm you could do a little script that decreases that number until du -h /your/home/.thumbnails returns < <your desired size>. |
15:01.13 | illogic-al | took me a while but i finally managed to connect from school. |
15:01.23 | illogic-al | hola boys n' girls |
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15:04.49 | texnofobix | KDE ... the best thing since DOS :P |
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15:05.29 | lauri | hey illogic-al :) |
15:05.45 | illogic-al | heya lauri |
15:05.54 | lauri | StevenR: and what, not make new thumbnails for new images if it's over that space? |
15:06.18 | StevenR | lauri: no, reuse the space |
15:06.21 | lauri | any configuration option would have to flush the old entries anyway, and since there is curentlyno way to do that (please do file a wishlist item) |
15:06.31 | lauri | and how would it decide which ones to reuse? |
15:06.33 | lauri | oldest ones? |
15:06.44 | lauri | what if it's the first thumbnail made, but you look at that file every day |
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15:06.54 | lauri | least accessed? least recently accessed? |
15:07.05 | StevenR | lauri: least recently accessed? |
15:07.16 | lauri | (that's why I suggested you use that as a parameter to your find to clean them up yourself in the meantime) |
15:07.45 | StevenR | hmm, possibly the the best way :S |
15:07.59 | lauri | right :) |
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15:08.21 | lauri | if you have atime available at least |
15:08.38 | StevenR | which i think i do, cos i never said i didn't want it |
15:08.44 | lauri | not everyone does (and yuo can turn it off on a lot of filesystems, it makes things go a lot faster) |
15:08.59 | lauri | well, in some circumstances |
15:13.06 | StevenR | hmm..where would i file a wish for that |
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15:15.46 | illogic-al | the same place you file a wish for everything else |
15:15.49 | illogic-al | b |
15:15.50 | illogic-al | k |
15:15.50 | illogic-al | o |
15:16.06 | StevenR | but where exactly |
15:16.42 | StevenR | illogic-al: bko was obvious, but bko is very big |
15:16.53 | illogic-al | StevenR: what're you tryin'? |
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15:17.42 | StevenR | illogic-al: image thumbnails |
15:18.35 | StevenR | illogic-al: i'll look into it more later, should really be working now |
15:19.59 | illogic-al | StevenR: to preview pictures in the file manager right? |
15:20.10 | StevenR | yes |
15:22.39 | illogic-al | StevenR: the problem is that some show up and some don't ? |
15:23.07 | StevenR | illogic-al: no, the problem is that my .thumbnails dir takes up 324MB |
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15:25.28 | illogic-al | oh |
15:26.24 | illogic-al | and you wanna delete files every now an then. i guess that could be a control center option |
15:26.32 | illogic-al | yet another one |
15:26.58 | StevenR | illogic-al: which is very very huge, and last time i deleted all the files it went into a big big scary memory leak every time i tried to preview and svg |
15:27.48 | illogic-al | aooch. |
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15:32.59 | praseodymium | can konqueror work with svn working copies? |
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15:33.16 | illogic-al | eh? |
15:33.28 | praseodymium | eh what |
15:33.43 | praseodymium | like turtoisesvn can |
15:34.26 | illogic-al | don't mind me. i just haven't the foggiest as to what you're talking about. |
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15:40.40 | StevenR | illogic-al: lauri: someone got there before me: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79943 |
15:41.39 | eille-la | hi, I set my keyboard keyset as a normal "us" one, but when typing the quote key, I must press the space after to see it appear, or if a press the quote key 2 times, this char ` appear, anyone would know how to fix this? |
15:42.03 | illogic-al | StevenR: you searched?! |
15:42.08 | illogic-al | i salute you sir. |
15:42.21 | illogic-al | i take my (non-existent0 hat off to you. |
15:42.24 | StevenR | illogic-al: yup, took a little refining, but there's bug filed for it |
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15:43.01 | StevenR | 427M .thumbnails/normal |
15:43.03 | StevenR | eek! |
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15:43.28 | lauri | I searched too, I didn't find that one though |
15:43.47 | StevenR | hmm..why does filelight disagree with du |
15:44.25 | StevenR | du says 427M, filelight says 297M for the same dir :S |
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15:50.14 | eros | anyone addicted to sudoku here ? |
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15:52.47 | StevenR | eros: not yet, not tried it |
15:53.03 | eros | it's fun ^_^ |
15:56.46 | illogic-al | sudoku/ |
15:56.56 | illogic-al | s/\//? |
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16:05.39 | bayertm | does anyone here use kbear? |
16:06.08 | moapala | If a Kile developer is here, let him know that 1-Edit a LaTeX file 2-Press Alt-6 3-Press Alt-7 4-Press Alt-7 5-Kile crashes (systematicaly) |
16:06.45 | moapala | +l |
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16:11.30 | benJIman | utilities -> desktop here |
16:11.52 | Speedy2 | Normally, the default KDE desktop has an icon for "Home" and "System" on the desktop, right? |
16:11.59 | pinotree | mpupu: utilities |
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16:55.40 | parapente | hi |
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17:15.41 | seekHim | anybody awake? |
17:15.54 | aseigo | no |
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17:16.15 | seekHim | aseigo: Good, then I'll ask you about what I need to know :P |
17:16.17 | aseigo | (along with that explaination) |
17:16.17 | mastertet | Is there something analog to Gnome Beagle in KDE |
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17:16.55 | seekHim | aseigo: any idea why kweather on kde 3.3.2 doesn't update every hour? |
17:17.11 | aseigo | mastertet: not really. there's kat, which is close, but doesn't have the live application searches for instance |
17:17.24 | aseigo | seekHim: is that what you have the update interval set to? |
17:17.45 | aseigo | mastertet: kde4 will likely have tenor which is shaping up to be even nicer than beagle. |
17:17.51 | seekHim | aseigo: I'm not 100% sure what it's set to. I think it's set to 1, or some silly thing like that. |
17:17.54 | aseigo | mastertet: well, not that beagle works really well at all today anyways |
17:18.10 | mastertet | aseigo, mmm, is kat a part of kde 3.3? I don't have it |
17:18.22 | aseigo | mastertet: no, it's an add on.. go to kde-apps.org |
17:18.26 | mastertet | ok |
17:18.47 | seekHim | aseigo: There's no configuration for how often it updates. ?? |
17:18.52 | mastertet | I was thinking that kde was bloaty, actually, it runs faster than gnome and use less memory here :D |
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17:19.05 | aseigo | mastertet: common misconception, yes |
17:19.16 | mastertet | apps start very fast |
17:19.24 | aseigo | =) |
17:19.36 | riley | i can't seem to get mplayer's sound to work while arts is running... i've tried artsdsp and had no luck... it still says "could not open/initialize audio device" when arts is running |
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17:19.52 | aseigo | mastertet: gnome was slimmer when it was gnome 1.4 vs kde 2 .... though gnome1 vs kde1 was in kde's favour |
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17:20.07 | Speedy2 | aseigo: Greetings. |
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17:20.11 | aseigo | mastertet: and our start up speed sucked right through until the early 3.x series |
17:20.13 | Flendor | Hello. |
17:20.14 | aseigo | Speedy2: hey |
17:20.19 | aseigo | Flendor: yo |
17:20.22 | ibrahim | Hi.. |
17:20.33 | aseigo | mastertet: but you know how it is... old impresson die hard =) |
17:20.35 | Flendor | Hey there aseigo :) Merhaba ibrahim.. |
17:20.35 | Speedy2 | KDE 1.x start-up times weren't bad |
17:20.45 | aseigo | kde1 start up times were pretty damn great =) |
17:20.56 | mastertet | aseigo, yes |
17:21.02 | aseigo | riley: mplayer -ao arts |
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17:21.31 | aseigo | seekHim: yes, there is.. if you right click the applet you can configure it.. or click on the applet handle's menu |
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17:22.06 | seekHim | aseigo: Ok, I went into the configuration dialogue. There's nothing there for update frequency, anywhere. |
17:22.08 | mastertet | aseigo, I switched because Slackware doesn't suppurt Gnome anymore, I'm surprised by kde. Is the theming difficult to handle (cause gtk2-rc is very easy) |
17:22.13 | Speedy2 | aseigo: I noticed that KDE 3.4.1 with the same Win2000 fonts (Tahoma, 8pt) is actually harder to read with anti-aliasing turned on. I assume this has to do with the way freetype is doing anti-aliasing using the non-proprietary algorithms? |
17:22.22 | aseigo | seekHim: i'm just updating my build.. give me two minutes =) |
17:22.33 | seekHim | aseigo: Sure, thanks. |
17:22.39 | aseigo | Speedy2: yes. best to turn off the AA for small font sizes |
17:22.50 | Speedy2 | aseigo: Is there a way to control this manually? |
17:23.00 | Speedy2 | i.e. AA off for fonts <= 8pt ? |
17:23.12 | aseigo | mastertet: it's pretty easy =) just go into the control panel and play around in Appearance & Themes area |
17:23.22 | _stian | Wow, KDE 1... never had the luck to try that one. |
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17:23.25 | mastertet | ok, thanks aseigo |
17:23.26 | aseigo | mastertet: in particular the theme manager is a one stop shop for all that stuff |
17:23.37 | riley | aseigo: for some reason it's still not working... |
17:23.45 | vanRijn | PhilRod: actually, it's quite entertaining watching aseigo bounce around amongst them all. =;) |
17:23.50 | PhilRod | heh |
17:24.05 | wooden | how to define the speeds for downloading in kget? its gray and not click/setup able |
17:24.07 | Speedy2 | benJIman: I have a high quality 19" monitor (Mitsubishi DiamondPro 900u) |
17:24.07 | aseigo | vanRijn: hehe.. yep, here for your entertainment ;) |
17:24.12 | vanRijn | lol |
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17:24.39 | PhilRod | riley: mplayer has "-ao arts" |
17:24.42 | aseigo | riley: perhaps mplayer wasn't compiled with arts support? because "mplayer -ao arts" works rather well |
17:24.50 | aseigo | PhilRod: yeah, that's what i told him to do =) |
17:25.14 | PhilRod | a wooden CRT? interesting |
17:25.18 | vanRijn | lol |
17:25.23 | vanRijn | I read it that way too |
17:25.24 | vanRijn | heh |
17:25.26 | wooden | emac :) |
17:25.31 | benJIman | fonts look worse on TFTs anyway |
17:25.33 | riley | aseigo: hmm... i guess i'll try recompiling it then |
17:25.42 | benJIman | unless you're comparing to cheap shadow mask crts |
17:25.44 | aseigo | riley: make sure you have the arts devel headers installed |
17:25.51 | aseigo | riley: otherwise recompiling won't help =) |
17:26.01 | vanRijn | er |
17:26.10 | vanRijn | or is there an mplayer-arts package? |
17:26.21 | Speedy2 | KDE's media folder is ppulated with the mounted drives, but no "mount" name is shown. If I put a link to the media on the desktop, icon changes from an HDD to a symlink -- suggestions? |
17:26.30 | Speedy2 | err ppulated == populated |
17:26.51 | riley | aseigo: thanks for that lol and yeah i just ran mplayer -ao help and it didn't list arts as compiled in |
17:29.11 | riley | aseigo: i'm not finding arts-devel in my apt repositories... will libarts1-dev do it? |
17:30.17 | vanRijn | yes |
17:30.28 | vanRijn | riley: what distro are you using? |
17:30.34 | riley | kubuntu |
17:31.15 | vanRijn | ah |
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17:32.24 | vanRijn | did you try "sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer libarts1"? |
17:32.37 | lauri | Speedy2: what version of kde, running on what? |
17:33.18 | riley | vanRijn: mplayer isn't in the kubuntu repositories so i compiled it myself |
17:34.19 | vanRijn | did you enable the universe/multiverse repos? |
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17:34.43 | riley | universe, yes... multiverse, no |
17:34.58 | Speedy2 | lauri: I am running KDE 3.4.1 |
17:35.02 | lauri | on? |
17:35.15 | Speedy2 | lauri: On Kubuntu 5.04, with hopefully a stock KDE configuration (now) |
17:35.18 | vanRijn | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21138.html |
17:35.33 | riley | but i compiled mplayer before i knew about universe, so it might be in there |
17:35.54 | lauri | ok, it matters, ervin just fixed a bug that was causing nearly what you describe, but it's not applicable to linux distributions |
17:35.57 | vanRijn | riley: no, check that link out--it's in multiverse |
17:36.10 | lauri | it's very important to always say what you're running, and where, the answers can vary greatly |
17:36.23 | lauri | (and I unfortunately can't help you with that one) |
17:36.27 | Speedy2 | lauri: Understood. When I open media:/ what "should" I see? |
17:36.38 | riley | vanRijn: ok, thanks |
17:36.41 | lauri | an icon for every device you have (at least the ones listed in fstab) |
17:36.44 | Speedy2 | I just see "14 GB drive", "4.3 GB drive", etc. |
17:36.47 | lauri | with an indication if they are mounted or not |
17:37.03 | Speedy2 | lauri: Ok, the names of the icons aren't in anyway reflected by the mount point name? |
17:37.06 | lauri | (with my current icon theme, it's a little green circle, sometimes it's a play symbol triangle) |
17:37.20 | lauri | mine are |
17:37.25 | vanRijn | riley: np. =:) |
17:37.28 | Speedy2 | lauri: Mine are not. Anyway to change that? |
17:37.33 | lauri | I don't know |
17:37.51 | Speedy2 | lauri: What OS and version of KDE are your running? |
17:37.53 | aseigo | seekHim: still here? |
17:37.55 | aseigo | woah |
17:37.56 | aseigo | haha |
17:37.58 | seekHim | aseigo: nope :P |
17:37.59 | lauri | I've never used media before today, because it didn't work (because ervin just fixed the bug that made nothing appear in it) |
17:38.19 | aseigo | seekHim: good answer. so, looking at it.. yeah, i'm not sure where the kweatherservice configuration has gone to =/ |
17:38.19 | lauri | I'm running svn trunk on FreeBSD |
17:38.27 | Speedy2 | lauri: Understodo |
17:38.29 | aseigo | seekHim: i'm about to take a glance at the source... give me 2 seconds |
17:38.30 | Speedy2 | Understood even |
17:38.36 | seekHim | aseigo: Ok, thanks. |
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17:39.23 | prurigro | I connected to my home network with kwifimanager and everything seems to have gone perfectly, but it never gave me an IP-- anyone know what I have to do for that? |
17:40.08 | lauri | did you try just right click and change the name? |
17:40.10 | lauri | that worked for me |
17:40.40 | prurigro | what do you mean? |
17:41.27 | lauri | sorry, I was speaking to Speedy |
17:41.34 | lauri | Speedy2: just select one, hit f2, type something |
17:41.41 | prurigro | ahh |
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17:41.58 | bayertm | does anyone know a good FTP client for KDE that can do sftp? |
17:42.28 | benJIman | konqueror? |
17:42.34 | wooden | kbear |
17:42.35 | prurigro | ]dunno about sftp, but kbear |
17:42.36 | Speedy2 | lauri: OK, the renaming of course worked. I wasn't sure if it would attempt to rename the mount point or not. Copying the icon to the desktop tried to copy the contents of the drive to my desktop -- non-Windows like (it's sometimes hard to tell which paradigms were followed and which ones were ignored) |
17:42.38 | prurigro | is decent |
17:42.49 | bayertm | I can't get kbear or konq to work with sftp |
17:43.01 | benJIman | konqueror should work with sftp I think |
17:43.21 | aseigo | seekHim: it seems to be hardcoded at 15mins |
17:43.33 | bayertm | konq just keeps saying "Authentication failed." |
17:43.38 | aseigo | seekHim: you can update it manually by hitting the "update all" button inthe config dialog though.. |
17:43.49 | aseigo | seekHim: or the Update Now entry in the applet's context menu |
17:44.00 | seekHim | aseigo: funny... it's 11:43 am here, and it hasn't updated since 8:00am. |
17:44.16 | aseigo | seekHim: odd.. try the "Update Now" entry and see what happens |
17:44.20 | Speedy2 | Ah! |
17:44.34 | lauri | Speedy2: if you want the icons (live) on your desktop, right click on the desktop, and choose 'configure desktop' and find the dynamic devices and pick the ones you want |
17:44.43 | Speedy2 | lauri: I just figured it out! ;) |
17:44.51 | lauri | Speedy2: or, right click and drag the icon out of media:/ |
17:44.54 | Speedy2 | Control Center, Desktop, Behavior, Device Icons (etc) |
17:45.00 | seekHim | aseigo: nuffin'. |
17:45.18 | aseigo | seekHim: hm... sounds like the weatherservice isn't running then. =/ |
17:45.46 | seekHim | aseigo: oh. I need a daemon behind it? |
17:45.53 | Speedy2 | lauri: When I drag it out of media, it ends up asking if I want to copy it, or make a link, when I make a link it ends up creating an icon that doesn't have the disk drive icon, etc |
17:45.55 | aseigo | it should be started automatically |
17:46.23 | seekHim | aseigo: *Hmmm.......* that's kinda funny..... |
17:46.30 | aseigo | seekHim: if you open up kdcop do you see a KWeatherService entry? or... what does `ps ax | grep kweather` give you? |
17:46.42 | lauri | ok, I wasn't sure if that'd work (but it's ok, because there's a better way to do it) |
17:47.09 | Speedy2 | lauri: What's the better way? |
17:47.18 | Speedy2 | lauri: The Control-Panel way worked for me |
17:47.39 | seekHim | [root@grace colin]# ps aux | grep kweather |
17:47.39 | seekHim | colin 14168 0.0 1.9 26648 6244 ? S Jul08 1:03 kweatherservice |
17:47.39 | seekHim | root 1770 0.0 0.2 1892 652 pts/6 S+ 11:47 0:00 grep kweather |
17:48.16 | aseigo | seekHim: hm. ok. so it's running. quite odd. |
17:48.28 | aseigo | lauri: moin =) |
17:48.29 | seekHim | aseigo: Yeah. |
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17:49.34 | Speedy2 | This is a bizarre one. When firefox is loading, the qt-gtk theming engine works, but when Firefox is closed, synaptic reverts back to it's own fonts |
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17:50.38 | PieD | Speedy2: it's simple : don't use gtk nor any gtk apps, it sucks :p |
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17:51.07 | Speedy2 | PieD: Extremism is unhealthy. |
17:51.20 | Theory | PieD: yeah, far better to just use windows :-) |
17:51.23 | PieD | gtk is unhealthy too ! |
17:51.25 | seekHim | aseigo: looks like kweather is updating three hours behind. (shows what the temperature was at 8:00am at 11:00am) Doesn't update on the hour, either. |
17:51.44 | PieD | KDE and Qt are wonderful enough |
17:52.09 | PieD | why do we need firefox for instance ? |
17:52.20 | PieD | (answer : to realize how fast konqueror starts) |
17:52.26 | Theory | because konqi borks on some sites... |
17:52.31 | Speedy2 | PieD: Because some of us switch between multiple OSes and we like to use the same browswer with the same set of plug-ins (for one) |
17:52.55 | PieD | same plugins ? where is the quicktime plugin for firefox under linux ? |
17:53.00 | Speedy2 | PieD: A number of the plug-ins for Firefox have no equivalents in Konqeror |
17:53.22 | Speedy2 | PieD: I don't really care about QuickTime, but that's me |
17:53.32 | PieD | ho, extensions != plugins ! |
17:53.35 | Speedy2 | If I want to watch a video, I'll wget it and load mplayer/kmplayer , etc |
17:53.50 | Speedy2 | PieD: You're right, I'm sorry, I meant extensions |
17:53.59 | PieD | and I didn't use any extension when I used firefox |
17:54.15 | PieD | perhaps sometime webdeveloper was useful... |
17:54.15 | Doktoreas | guys i can use my scanneer with xsane |
17:54.26 | Doktoreas | but kooka tell me that sane is not cofigured |
17:54.30 | PieD | the only extension I needed was venkman, and it didn't work |
17:54.44 | Speedy2 | PieD: Although this might be offtopic for #kde, my favorite plug-ins are : Adblock, Flashblock and Tabbrowser Extentions |
17:54.50 | Speedy2 | err, extentions |
17:54.56 | PieD | adblock exists for Konqueror |
17:55.05 | PieD | (it's only in the svn) |
17:55.24 | PieD | tabbrowser provide too much features, it can't be described cleary |
17:55.44 | PieD | and flashblock ... I've my own solution : no flash plugin :) |
17:56.21 | Speedy2 | PieD: I agree to tabbrowser doing too much, but it adds the close on tab button, tab re-ordering and a few other nice features. And with respect to flash, unfortunetly, some stupid sites *require* it :/ |
17:56.37 | PieD | close on tab needs an extension ? |
17:56.43 | supernix | Hi I am using Kubuntu and it is missing the help file for Ksig but I am at a loss for finding the help documents anywhere else |
17:56.45 | PieD | I forgot how poor firefox is |
17:56.54 | Speedy2 | To put a close tab-button on each tab does |
17:57.21 | PieD | and I don't browse the stupid sites |
17:57.43 | lauri | you can put a close button on every tab with konqueror (you can have it replace the favicon on hover) |
17:57.50 | PieD | flash is disturbing |
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17:58.12 | PieD | lauri: yes, but it firefox needs an extension to do so |
17:58.16 | Doktoreas | :| |
17:58.21 | Doktoreas | no know know wht sane works, and not kooka^ |
17:58.22 | lauri | tab reordering is built in, it's got a keybinding, ctrl-shift-left and right (and is in the window menu) |
17:58.23 | Speedy2 | PieD: I don't disagree, I don't like Flash use either. But that doesn't change the fact that some sites require it. |
17:58.28 | lauri | PieD: i'm talking about konqueror |
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17:58.36 | lauri | it does those things already, without any plugins |
17:59.02 | Speedy2 | benJIman: I used to do that too...but when you have no choice you have no choice |
17:59.03 | PieD | lauri: I know, that's why I prefer it :) |
17:59.13 | benJIman | web designers who put the "skip intro" option as part of the flash animation should be shot |
17:59.31 | PieD | Speedy2: if a website needs the flash plugin, then I consider I don't need that website |
17:59.33 | lauri | and you can per-domain permit or reject plugins (and flash is a plugin) |
17:59.44 | lauri | and adblock will be in the next release of KDE |
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18:00.07 | benJIman | lauri: does adblocK block flash too? my flash plugin isn't installed right now, it does a great job with images |
18:00.32 | lauri | I don't know, I mostly don't mind ads (all those sites gots to pay their bills) |
18:01.17 | lauri | I don't know any sites where they're so obtrusive I care enough to block them (well, one, but that's because I hate the owner and don't wish her to get any money off my having accidentally visited one of her sites :) |
18:01.31 | scroogie | benJIman: adblock is just blocking by regular expressions |
18:01.35 | lauri | so I have her entire site roped off in /etc/hosts, because I'm an evil meanyhead |
18:01.56 | scroogie | benJIman: it doesnt take file extensions into account |
18:02.06 | benJIman | americasarmy.com requires flash to use the menu, whoever thought of that is an idiot too |
18:02.31 | scroogie | benJIman: flashblock is handy |
18:03.32 | Speedy2 | scroogie: Is there a Flashblock for Konq? |
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18:04.01 | scroogie | dont know |
18:05.42 | seekHim | aseigo: I should add another weather service, and see if I get the same results. |
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18:08.43 | _knoppix | how do zou get a us kezboard_ |
18:09.03 | PhilRod | control center -> regional & a11y -> keyboard layout |
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18:12.12 | Speedy2 | Later all |
18:14.51 | _knoppix | It is still in german |
18:15.42 | seekHim | aseigo: Unfortunately, kweather only displays one station at a time. |
18:15.53 | _knoppix | do I log out or what_ |
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18:21.18 | seekHim | aseigo: Can I get kweather to show conditions for two weather stations? I suppose I have to add the station, and then restart it? |
18:22.22 | _knoppix | Maybe it is working now! |
18:22.36 | aseigo | seekHim: no, i don't think you can =/ |
18:22.47 | seekHim | aseigo: BUG!! :P |
18:23.04 | aseigo | seekHim: the multistation reporting is more for kontact i believe |
18:23.12 | seekHim | aseigo: Ahh. |
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18:23.13 | Roey | hi |
18:23.30 | Roey | quesiton about the Task Bar in KDE > 3.4.0: does it still auto-resize? |
18:23.34 | Roey | it's annoying as hell. |
18:23.35 | tezem | I use kde3.4 and want to use subversion. I get the message "Could not start process unable to crate io-slave: "klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_slave'" |
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18:24.18 | Roey | it resizes even when the Layout->Length->[X] Expand to fit the conents is disabled. |
18:26.16 | scroogie | Roey: it doesnt resize for me |
18:27.44 | scroogie | or i just dont understand what you mean |
18:29.32 | Roey | ok |
18:29.40 | Roey | scroogie: 1. enable multiple desktops |
18:29.58 | Roey | scroogie: 2. set it /not/ to show windows from all desktops |
18:30.10 | Roey | scroogie: 3. clear one desktop of windows (including any minimized windows) |
18:30.18 | moapala | good way not to keep your desktop clean ;) |
18:30.20 | Roey | scroogie: switch between a desktop that has windows and a desktop that does not. |
18:30.36 | Roey | scroogie: notice how the taskbar collapses when it is empty |
18:31.33 | _chris | i like the auto-resizing taskbar |
18:32.12 | scroogie | i dont get it |
18:32.13 | Roey | I don't. It gets annoying when you're moving among desktops which both have and don't have any windows on them. |
18:32.17 | Roey | what's not to get? |
18:32.23 | scroogie | i dont see a nothing |
18:32.26 | Roey | the taskbar collapses if there are no windows on that desktop |
18:32.28 | Roey | like: |
18:32.34 | Roey | [ t a s k b a r ] |
18:32.36 | Roey | to: |
18:32.38 | Roey | [ ] |
18:32.44 | Roey | get it? |
18:32.50 | _chris | if you switch desktops |
18:32.54 | Roey | yes |
18:32.57 | _chris | so make the taskbar fullsize |
18:33.04 | _james | PhilRod: Thanks |
18:33.07 | Roey | ok, taskbar is not panel. |
18:33.17 | Roey | I'm talking about the task bar, not the Kicker panel. |
18:33.22 | Roey | the kicker panel is independent of that. |
18:33.32 | _chris | it only collapes if you choose "resize to fit contents" |
18:33.34 | PhilRod | _james: you're welcome :-) |
18:33.34 | Roey | even if it is full-size, the taskbar will still collapse |
18:33.35 | Roey | no |
18:33.41 | Roey | _chris: the task bar ignores that. |
18:33.47 | scroogie | Roey: My taskbar doesnt collapse at all |
18:33.52 | _chris | ok hm i dont code it |
18:34.02 | _chris | perhaps you can to an animation (like ksnapshot) |
18:34.02 | Roey | scroogie: you're not doing it right. |
18:34.06 | Roey | _chris: sure. |
18:34.12 | Roey | does ksnapshot do animations? |
18:34.14 | Roey | oh, I forgot: |
18:34.18 | Roey | I already reported this bug. |
18:34.20 | Roey | one sec. |
18:34.34 | scroogie | maybe its already fixed? im using svn. |
18:34.55 | _chris | scroogie , if its fixed in svn it yould be marked as fixed in bugs.kdeorg |
18:35.18 | scroogie | thats right |
18:36.17 | _chris | i dont get it , the taskbar collapses and the panel stays the same size |
18:36.20 | _chris | thats ok |
18:36.29 | Roey | http://roey.freeshell.org/mystuff/kde/kicker/ |
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18:37.31 | Roey | _chris, scroogie: OK, what I'm describing should be clear from the PNGs contained in there |
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18:38.05 | scroogie | yes now i get it. |
18:38.08 | Roey | _chris, scroogie: I think 'sized' means 'constrained' [to a specific width]. |
18:38.10 | scroogie | let me try this |
18:38.19 | Roey | (it was months ago that I reported this) |
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18:38.49 | Roey | and it's a new thing that happened with kde 3.3+ |
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18:43.56 | scroogie | my panel doesnt resize, but the system tray snaps back to the position where the tasks were shown |
18:44.13 | scroogie | i think thats sensible |
18:44.13 | _james | can knoppix 4.0 dvd be fully installed? If so, how? |
18:44.29 | Roey | scroogie: I never said panel has troublewith it |
18:44.34 | Roey | scroogie: I said that the taskbar resizes. |
18:44.47 | scroogie | yes, now i fully understand what you were talking about |
18:44.48 | Roey | scroogie: the system tray snaps back because the taskbar collapses |
18:45.06 | Roey | scroogie: so it's *really* annoying to close a window and have it jump |
18:45.10 | Roey | and then to move to another desktop |
18:45.14 | Roey | and have it jump AGAIN |
18:45.30 | scroogie | it jumps only if you hover with your mouse |
18:45.36 | Roey | no it doesn't |
18:45.44 | Roey | it waits two seconds and then collapses or expands. |
18:46.32 | scroogie | its a bit odd. at the moment it doesnt collapse at all |
18:46.40 | Roey | what doesn't collapse? |
18:46.44 | Roey | the taskbar or the panel? |
18:46.55 | Roey | wait a little while and it will. |
18:47.14 | Roey | make sure you clear the current desktop of all open and minimized windows. |
18:47.33 | scroogie | mhm |
18:47.40 | scroogie | i was able to reproduce it 2 minutes ago |
18:47.44 | Roey | ok |
18:47.47 | scroogie | but i changed nothing |
18:48.31 | Roey | ok |
18:48.31 | Roey | yeah |
18:48.35 | Roey | it's inconsistent and annoying. |
18:49.22 | scroogie | an optional fixed width for the taskbar would please you? |
18:49.28 | Roey | very much so. |
18:49.35 | Roey | just to have it stay at whatever size it was originally. |
18:49.47 | Roey | regardless of whether or not it has any items in it |
18:51.02 | aseigo | Roey: yeah, not going to happen |
18:51.15 | aseigo | Roey: if you set a minimum size for the panel it's in, does that not work either? |
18:51.59 | _james | Anybody: Can knoppix 4.0 dvd be fully installed? If so, how? I can't understand german! |
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18:52.55 | Roey | aseigo: no |
18:53.11 | Roey | aseigo: this is regardless of what the size of the panel is and whether or not it is permitted to expand as necessary |
18:53.15 | Roey | s/is/happens |
18:53.42 | PhilRod | _james: #knoppix, perhaps |
18:53.55 | scroogie | _james: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Installer |
18:55.27 | _james | Sorry, I thought this was the knoppix channel! |
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18:55.51 | stjepan | hello |
18:56.02 | stjepan | I am developing an application |
18:56.16 | stjepan | may I take KDE's Keramik theme to use in my app |
18:56.17 | stjepan | ? |
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18:56.51 | stjepan | I am going to just copy pictures of buttons and other stuff and use in my app |
18:56.57 | stjepan | may I do this? |
18:57.09 | stjepan | (btw, stupid question) |
18:58.25 | PhilRod | I expect so, but you should probably check with the keramik maintainer |
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19:28.04 | aseigo | Roey: i just tested this with svn head here and it works fine. |
19:28.35 | aseigo | Roey: external taskbar is set to 0% expand as necessary and it expands and contracts in response to windows being added/removed |
19:29.29 | aseigo | Roey: if i set it to show only windows on the current desktop and switch between different desktops with different numbers of windows (from 0 -> 15 here) it also works just fine. |
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19:31.36 | Roey | aseigo: lemme run that by you again: |
19:31.48 | Roey | aseigo: (what does external mean in this context?) |
19:31.59 | aseigo | Roey: Add Panel -> External Taskbar |
19:32.18 | Roey | aseigo: you're saying that if you set it the Panel 0% width, and allow it to [X] expand as necessary, |
19:32.32 | aseigo | it works, yes |
19:32.59 | Roey | now, what does "works just fine" mean? |
19:33.08 | Roey | you mean that it expands and collapses as windows are opened? |
19:34.11 | aseigo | yes |
19:34.47 | Roey | ok |
19:35.09 | Roey | and I'm saying that I set it to 50%, and to not expand. |
19:35.12 | Roey | (the panel) |
19:35.19 | Roey | yet the taskbar resizes anyway |
19:35.33 | Roey | why does the taskbar collapse when it has no windows? I just want it to keep the same size. |
19:35.57 | aseigo | Roey: "same size" |
19:36.18 | Roey | same size as if that desktop has five windows open. |
19:36.22 | aseigo | Roey: this only affects expanding panels, which is the point of them |
19:36.24 | Roey | see my pictures I posted |
19:36.45 | Roey | aseigo: the taskbar resizes regardless of whether or not you have that checkbox clicked. |
19:37.03 | Roey | http://roey.freeshell.org/mystuff/kde/kicker/ |
19:38.38 | scroogie | aseigo: he doesnt mean the resizing of the panel, he more or less means the reordering of the panel if the taskbar has zero width |
19:39.19 | aseigo | Roey: ok, so now i have panel set to 50% size, no expanding |
19:39.26 | Roey | it's not the panel aaron |
19:39.28 | Roey | it's the taskbar |
19:39.37 | aseigo | Roey: on it is a taskbar, system monitor, and pager |
19:39.38 | Roey | it resizes from an inch or two wide to 0 width. |
19:39.46 | Roey | what doesn't expand? |
19:39.54 | Roey | (the panel? the taskbar?) |
19:40.06 | Roey | aseigo: did you see the photos in the url above? |
19:40.08 | aseigo | i have a PANEL set to 50% size, no expanding |
19:40.10 | scroogie | other applets will fill in the spare place if there are no windows to be shown on the taskbar. |
19:40.18 | aseigo | Roey: yes, yes i have |
19:40.20 | Roey | scroogie: OK, this is what I'm talking about. |
19:40.22 | Roey | scroogie: yes. |
19:40.33 | _chris_s | Question : is www.google.com/maps working in konqueror ? |
19:40.45 | Theory | ish |
19:41.22 | Theory | you have to fiddle a bit before it will actually show you images |
19:41.25 | aseigo | Roey: so no.. i add and remove windows ... my applets don't move |
19:41.55 | aseigo | Roey: if i stack all my applets right against the taskbar applet and add new windows so that the taskbar needs more room, they other applets shuffle to the right until the maximum width of the panel is reached |
19:42.05 | aseigo | Roey: if i remove windows from that point forward, the applets don't move |
19:42.09 | Roey | I don't get it. |
19:42.11 | aseigo | (back to the left, that is) |
19:42.27 | Roey | I have it like those snapshots show it in the URL I posted. |
19:42.34 | Roey | When I get rid of all the windows on a desktop, |
19:42.40 | scroogie | my system tray and mouse snap left if i hover with my mouse |
19:42.40 | Roey | the taskbar resizes to 0 width. |
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19:42.56 | scroogie | if i dont hover, the space will be left free |
19:43.09 | Roey | I mean, would it be easier to understand if I made a small movie of this behavior? |
19:43.14 | aseigo | scroogie: hover what with your mouse? |
19:43.16 | knoppix | Hi, does any body now how to instal knoppix 4.0dvd live on HD, or wer to get that info, I will a precieted that information thank you |
19:43.25 | scroogie | aseigo: the spare place when the taskbar is empty |
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19:43.35 | scroogie | the place where the taskbar should be |
19:43.57 | aseigo | Roey: sure. though i'm pretty sure i understand what you're saying. and what i'm saying is: it works for me using today's svn. |
19:43.59 | scroogie | but i dont experienced this as disturbing, i always use 100% width ;) |
19:44.23 | scroogie | aseigo: im using todays svn, too. |
19:44.35 | aseigo | scroogie: i don't see that either |
19:44.37 | Roey | scroogie: and I tried it with 100% Panel width, too, and the Taskbar still resizes to 0 width. |
19:44.52 | aseigo | yes, no shit the taskbar resizes to 0 width |
19:44.58 | aseigo | that's not the problem |
19:45.20 | aseigo | the problem you're seeing that i can't reproduce is that the applets are moving in response to that |
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19:45.28 | Roey | ok |
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19:45.47 | aseigo | which, now that i'm thinking about it, SOUNDS like there's a wrong FreeSpace2= entry in the kickerrc somewhere =/ |
19:45.51 | Roey | ah |
19:46.02 | Roey | how would that work? |
19:46.03 | scroogie | Roey: what about locking the panels? |
19:46.06 | scroogie | does that help? |
19:46.10 | Roey | locking panels? |
19:46.18 | Roey | (btw this didn't hjappen before kde 3.3) |
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19:46.53 | scroogie | locking the panel stops the behaviour in my version |
19:47.02 | Roey | ok |
19:47.06 | Roey | how would I lock it? |
19:47.13 | scroogie | right click menu |
19:47.16 | aseigo | scroogie: yes, that will prevent anything from moving indeed |
19:47.16 | Roey | ok |
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19:47.40 | aseigo | Roey: can you look in your kickerrc and tell me what the FreeSpace2= values are for taskbar, systray, kmix and clock applets? |
19:47.46 | Roey | ok |
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19:49.08 | Roey | aseigo: it's 0 for everything |
19:49.29 | Roey | aseigo: both FreeSpace and FreeSpace2 are 0 for eveyrthing. |
19:49.32 | aseigo | Roey: ok. try dcopquit kicker then edit those to be FreeSpace2=1 and start kicker again |
19:49.37 | Roey | ok |
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19:50.35 | knoppix | <PROTECTED> |
19:51.16 | scroogie | http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Installer |
19:51.43 | knoppix | thank you scroogie |
19:51.51 | Roey | aseigo: I did as you suggested, but the behavior remains the same |
19:53.34 | aseigo | Roey: send me your kickerrc by email please and i'll troubleshoot it myself. |
19:55.48 | Roey | aseigo: to your nick @ kde.org? |
19:55.53 | aseigo | yes |
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19:57.03 | Roey | * sent |
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20:09.29 | Frost^ | a little question, on dot.kde.org there are "commit digest" topics. do those relate to 3.4.x or 3.5.x? |
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20:38.18 | vanRijn | wow |
20:38.39 | vanRijn | lack of activity, unparalleled since the Nixon administration! |
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20:40.13 | Roey | =) |
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20:45.28 | MrGrim | woo they finally got to my khtml bug :D |
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20:45.50 | MrGrim | at least enough to confirm it |
20:46.11 | einsteinmg | hi all :) |
20:46.24 | MrGrim | yo |
20:46.25 | einsteinmg | where could i find the implementation details of kwallet? |
20:46.39 | MrGrim | don't smack me... but the source :P |
20:46.42 | MrGrim | that's all I know |
20:46.46 | MrGrim | not sure if it is documented or not |
20:46.57 | einsteinmg | what cipher is used, how is the master pw stored, ... |
20:47.06 | MrGrim | if it isn't maybe it is at least well commented :) |
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20:48.07 | MrGrim | I assume you've read the handbook? |
20:48.35 | annma | einsteinmg: implementation details? |
20:48.48 | Doktoreas | guys how can i have battery monitor in applet? |
20:48.59 | einsteinmg | hmmm handbook? i've search kde.org |
20:49.05 | MrGrim | nm, handbook is useless |
20:49.21 | MrGrim | einsteinmg: the help files for it :) but they don't have what you want |
20:49.33 | MrGrim | all I can recommend is google, mailing list archives, and the source |
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20:49.36 | annma | einsteinmg: what are you looking for exactly? |
20:49.38 | einsteinmg | annma: how is the masterpw stored, cipher mode/size/... |
20:49.44 | MrGrim | [15:44] <einsteinmg> what cipher is used, how is the master pw stored, ... |
20:49.48 | annma | look at the code then |
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20:50.21 | einsteinmg | annma: the infos should be on the homepage, imho |
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20:50.50 | MrGrim | ya they should, but you take what you can get |
20:50.51 | annma | then send a patch for the homepage please |
20:51.08 | annma | it's extremely hard work to maitain the app, the doc and the webpage |
20:51.15 | MrGrim | and don't complain when it's free :) |
20:51.18 | einsteinmg | ok thx |
20:51.39 | einsteinmg | annma: the security related implementatin details shouldn't change... |
20:51.50 | einsteinmg | and if they change, every user should be informed... |
20:51.51 | seekHim | anybody up for a kontact question? |
20:51.55 | annma | why? |
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20:52.27 | annma | users who want to be informed dig in the code |
20:52.35 | einsteinmg | because kwallet holds sensitiv data... and every change in the implementation could be a possible security breach |
20:52.46 | annma | at least they have the possibility to get the info |
20:52.48 | annma | bah |
20:53.17 | annma | I don't use the wallet to be frank as I am a home user |
20:53.29 | annma | I don't lock my car outside |
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20:53.39 | annma | I am a security breah .... |
20:53.44 | annma | be=reach |
20:54.19 | einsteinmg | you maybe are, others care what a app does with there sensitiv data |
20:54.44 | annma | einsteinmg: the benefit from free software is that you can get the info if you want |
20:54.57 | annma | and if you are able to understand it |
20:55.13 | annma | so either dig in the code or send a mail to the maintainer |
20:55.25 | annma | I am confident he'll answer your questions |
20:55.29 | MrGrim | I am so blind... I swear I opened 3 source files for this app looking for keyboard code before I noticed it has a keyboard.c :P |
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20:57.13 | einsteinmg | annma: ok thx |
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21:00.32 | SatanClaus | hiho! I use grouping of similar tasks when taskbar is full. In kde3.3 it was possible to mouseover such a group and use the mousewheel to cycle through just the windows in that group. since 3.4 it cycles through all windows in taskbar, how can I change that? |
21:01.25 | Roey | hohoho :) |
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21:02.13 | Sputn1k | how to add kde splash theme? |
21:03.05 | Sputn1k | in control center whren i select directory with theme, it didint allows it |
21:03.13 | Sputn1k | in what format theme should be? |
21:03.45 | Sputn1k | i had lots of themes, but them all do not work |
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21:11.42 | fluxball | hello |
21:12.25 | fluxball | why is it that mplayer is working swimmingly, but kmplayer won't play anything? kmplayer will open up, but the video doesn't show nor does any sound come out....... |
21:13.36 | SatanClaus | hiho! I use grouping of similar tasks when taskbar is full. In kde3.3 it was possible to mouseover such a group and use the mousewheel to cycle through just the windows in that group. since 3.4 it cycles through all windows in taskbar, how can I change that? |
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21:31.07 | Paleo | can kde 3.4 run on top of qt4 ? |
21:31.15 | annma | oh, no |
21:31.19 | annma | not at all |
21:31.42 | annma | rule of the thumb: kde and qt main version number must be the same |
21:32.13 | Paleo | hehe okay |
21:32.36 | annma | some kde porting has started but it's a huge task |
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21:37.20 | benJIman | aseigo: why is the "show windows from all screens" option in kicker the wrong way round? |
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21:37.50 | aseigo | benJIman: wrong way around? |
21:38.03 | benJIman | aseigo: well I check it and it only shows the ones on the current screen, I uncheck it and it shows both |
21:38.20 | aseigo | benJIman: how is that the wrong way around? |
21:38.53 | benJIman | it's labeled "show windows from all screens" and the whatis help also agrees with that, which implies that when checked you should be able to see windows from all monitors on the taskbar |
21:38.58 | benJIman | however the behaviour is the other way round |
21:39.59 | aseigo | benJIman: ah, i see what you're saying. it doesn't do that here. what v are you running? |
21:40.22 | benJIman | aseigo: svn build about 4 or 5 days old, perhaps it's a config file issue? my kickerrc is probably fairly old |
21:40.30 | aseigo | benJIman: shouldn't matter in the least. |
21:40.43 | aseigo | benJIman: i'm using svn from today and it works perfectly. look in your ktaskbarrc |
21:41.09 | benJIman | what am I looking for? it's nearly updated |
21:41.12 | benJIman | *empty |
21:41.43 | aseigo | ShowAllWindows |
21:41.58 | benJIman | [$Version] \ update_info=kickerrc.upd:kde_3_5_taskbarEnums | is all I have in that file |
21:42.38 | SatanClaus | hiho! I use grouping of similar tasks when taskbar is full. In kde3.3 it was possible to mouseover such a group and use the mousewheel to cycle through just the windows in that group. since 3.4 it cycles through all windows in taskbar, how can I change that? I can't find it in the control-center |
21:42.55 | aseigo | benJIman: so it's at the default of true ... what does the config dialog show |
21:43.07 | benJIman | it shows false |
21:43.09 | aseigo | SatanClaus: you can't. |
21:43.15 | aseigo | benJIman: the button is unchecked? |
21:43.21 | SatanClaus | :( |
21:43.36 | benJIman | aseigo: yes, and if I check the box it says true in that file |
21:44.14 | aseigo | benJIman: what's the default value for that entry in kicker/taskbar/taskbar.kcfg? |
21:45.14 | benJIman | aseigo: in what directory is that in sorry? |
21:45.38 | benJIman | on in the source |
21:46.08 | benJIman | aseigo: <default>false</default> |
21:46.58 | SatanClaus | aseigo: why not? was such a cool feature and it's pretty dumb if you got used to it and now cycle through all windows, maximizing everything you just minimized :) |
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21:48.18 | aseigo | benJIman: that's not what's in svn |
21:48.39 | aseigo | SatanClaus: it was such a cool feature that you couldn't scroll through all your windows? |
21:48.49 | benJIman | aseigo: fair enough I assume it'll change when I next do a clean build then |
21:48.51 | benJIman | thanks |
21:49.16 | SatanClaus | aseigo: well, I thought it's a feature, that I just scroll through the group under my mouse... |
21:50.29 | SatanClaus | (instead scrolling through everything) |
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21:50.55 | aseigo | and others thought it was a bug |
21:51.12 | aseigo | esp as it makes it useless when you don't have grouping turned on |
21:51.17 | aseigo | it == scroll wheel |
21:51.22 | benJIman | I've seen a couple of other people complain about that change of behaviour too |
21:51.24 | aseigo | and that it isn't how the pager works, etc |
21:51.28 | snugglemonkey | quick question.... is this http://grammarian.homelinux.net/kdesvn-build/doc.html supposed to be much easier than I am making it, or am I just stupid? |
21:51.30 | aseigo | benJIman: people complain about any change in behaviour |
21:51.34 | benJIman | indeed |
21:51.40 | aseigo | benJIman: i'm more concerned about things working as well as possible |
21:51.45 | SatanClaus | would it be much work to make it an option? |
21:53.03 | aseigo | SatanClaus: how big of an option would you consider it to be, on a scale of 1 : 10 where 1 is the tiniest amount of change in the GUI immaginable and 10 is the largest... so.. icon set change might be a 10, while adjusting the timeout on kicker's mouse overs might be a 1, for instance. |
21:54.44 | SatanClaus | well for me it would be 8, as it's pretty annoying to see all windows I just minimized to be maximized, just because I'm pointing a group using the mousewheel in expection of cycling through that group :) |
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21:54.55 | Sputn1k | how to change kde splash screen background? |
21:55.04 | aseigo | SatanClaus: i didn't ask how satisfying it would be. i asked how big of a change in the GUI would it be? |
21:55.22 | aseigo | SatanClaus: because to anyone who likes a certain thing it's always going to be a 7-10 |
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21:55.31 | SatanClaus | ;) |
21:55.41 | aseigo | really, the answer is that it's a pretty small detail |
21:55.45 | SatanClaus | well change in the GUI? I'd say it's an option in the controlcenter... |
21:55.53 | aseigo | whether the mouse wheel continues after the last item in a group or not |
21:56.22 | aseigo | now .. how many such small items in the gui do you think there might be? lets just pick the taskbar for a moment. not counting the rest of kicker, JUST the taskbar |
21:57.52 | aseigo | there happens to be 20 already configurable items in the taskbar |
21:58.03 | aseigo | some of those have multiple options each |
21:58.26 | aseigo | now let's add every gui option that is a small option |
21:58.35 | aseigo | we can't fit them all in the configs! |
21:58.41 | aseigo | config dialogs, that is |
21:58.45 | SatanClaus | ok, you convinced me... |
21:59.18 | aseigo | so then people ask for hidden options ... which virtually nobody ends up using anyways, but i get to maintain the N different code paths and defend why kicker is such a bloated mother |
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22:01.19 | benJIman | the change which seems to have annoyed the most people is the removal of icon zooming, personally I think the new effect is much more useful and doesn't do annoying buggy things like the old effect, the old effect didn't help anyone who didn't know what the icon meant which is the traditional use for mouseover tooltip type things |
22:01.50 | SatanClaus | well, I just wanted to tell you that the old behaviour was way more efficient (for me) |
22:02.28 | aseigo | benJIman: yeah... that was a hard decision to make. |
22:02.58 | aseigo | benJIman: probably my most unpopular one to date ... which is pretty good because most people are just fine with it.. but . yeah.. heh. NOT POPULAR |
22:03.17 | aseigo | SatanClaus: so note |
22:03.19 | aseigo | d |
22:04.03 | SatanClaus | well, but without any effect :p |
22:05.12 | SatanClaus | you wouldn't accept it if I changed it myself, would you? |
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22:25.51 | seekHim | aseigo: are we awake? |
22:27.00 | aseigo | maybe |
22:27.42 | seekHim | aseigo: kontact (and korganizer).... is there any way to have the monthly calendar show the entire month, rather than the next four or five weeks? |
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22:33.21 | aseigo | seekHim: i thought that's wha it does? |
22:33.46 | seekHim | aseigo: nope. 3.3.2 shows the next four or five weeks. |
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22:35.24 | seekHim | aseigo: www.hisowntechnologies.com/images/kontact.jpg |
22:36.39 | Sputn1k | how to look, how many memory is usage? |
22:36.53 | seekHim | huh? |
22:37.02 | Sputn1k | how much ram is used |
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22:37.53 | seekHim | for what? |
22:38.41 | Sputn1k | for kde, kernel, for everything |
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22:39.16 | seekHim | Oh. Well, that depends on how much ram you've got. :) |
22:39.30 | aseigo | seekHim: wow was kontact ever ugly in 3.3 =) |
22:39.49 | seekHim | aseigo: Yeah. Too bad I can't get rpms for 3.4 for Mdk. |
22:39.50 | Marrs | the memory view in KInfoCenter gives a global view of memory |
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22:40.50 | Sputn1k | seekHim 512, my karamba says that now used 144, but other- thet 494 :) |
22:41.13 | seekHim | Sputn1k: I guess that's how much memory, then. :P |
22:41.44 | Sputn1k | whatever... |
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22:42.13 | seekHim | he obviously didn't appreciate my sense of humour. |
22:42.20 | aseigo | seekHim: that said, kontact it does what you want in newer versions... |
22:42.42 | seekHim | aseigo: can you point me to a version that'll install on 3.3? |
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22:43.01 | aseigo | seekHim: you can check over at kontact.org |
22:43.09 | aseigo | or is that kontact.kde.org? |
22:43.11 | aseigo | one or the other |
22:43.29 | seekHim | aseigo: :p how 'bout www.aseigoisageek.org? :) |
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22:44.51 | _allanon | is there a kde... migration tool, of some kind? |
22:45.02 | StevenR | to do what exactly? |
22:45.13 | _allanon | there are soo many things like my kwallet and kopete contact list and kaddressbook and kmail folders and I dunno what... |
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22:45.33 | _allanon | so if I want to reinstall/move to another installation, it would be nice if it was a tool to import/export all that in a few clicks. |
22:45.36 | StevenR | _allanon: what would this tool do exactly? |
22:45.38 | StevenR | ahh |
22:45.38 | aseigo | _allanon: not at this point ... there is one coming eventually... |
22:45.44 | seekHim | _allanon: they'll still work with the new version |
22:45.46 | aseigo | _allanon: you can, for now, just back up your $HOME |
22:46.02 | _allanon | that works, I guess. yep. |
22:46.02 | aseigo | _allanon: be sure to grab ~/.kde and ~/Mail |
22:46.06 | StevenR | you could just tar up ~/.kde and the other bits, and then copy it |
22:46.09 | _allanon | as long as there are no version conflicts :} |
22:46.29 | _allanon | i did that before, but some 3.2-config had problems on 3.3 |
22:46.53 | _allanon | and then you have to navigate and try to delete the offending app config :} |
22:47.13 | _allanon | but I guess that is a general problem. |
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22:48.06 | fumbalah | is it possible to completly remove the virtual desktop box |
22:49.21 | benJIman | from kicker? |
22:49.33 | fumbalah | from the bottom taskbar |
22:49.45 | benJIman | click the up arrow next to it and click remove from panel |
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22:56.15 | Crell | Has anyone here used Karbon14 and had a problem with the Undo/Redo being horribly horribly broken? :-) |
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23:02.50 | _kilrae | damn pan |
23:03.05 | Crell | What did Pan ever do to you? |
23:03.28 | _kilrae | uses too much memory |
23:03.38 | _kilrae | 387MB |
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23:04.49 | Crell | Ouch. What's Pan? |
23:06.50 | _kilrae | news reader |
23:07.00 | Crell | Ah. |
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23:08.15 | pac1 | Does Cervisia support subversion? |
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23:09.38 | pac1 | Are the kde cvs archives still out there? |
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23:11.11 | pinotree | pac1: cervisia svn support is a work-in-progress, an in an experimental branch |
23:11.27 | pinotree | pac1: and no, there are no more daily cvs archives |
23:11.47 | pac1 | how about cvs pservers to connect to? |
23:11.51 | pinotree | pac1: but there are dailiy *svn* archives :) |
23:12.30 | pinotree | pac1: pserver? |
23:12.46 | pinotree | pac1: we use subversion now, pserver is a cvs thing |
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23:13.37 | pac1 | pinotree, :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.kde.org:2401/home/kde |
23:13.44 | pinotree | that's old |
23:13.48 | pinotree | no more needed |
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23:17.21 | eros | anyone in love with sudoku? |
23:18.23 | pac1 | pinotree, here's what i want to do: get kdevelop head and the version of cervisia that supports subversion. How should I proceed? Do I need to svn the whole kde source tree or just kdevelop and cervisia? |
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23:21.07 | lasindi | I know I've asked this before, but I've got a thin line along the top of my taskbar that has the color of the window background. How can I get rid of it? |
23:21.15 | thiago | pac1: you need kdevelop |
23:21.21 | lasindi | Here is a screenshot: http://www.geocities.com/lasindi/taskbar.png |
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23:21.22 | thiago | and you have to make sure your kdelibs can compile it |
23:21.29 | thiago | I am not sure what's the minimum required version |
23:29.58 | StevenR | :) |
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23:44.21 | lasindi | StevenR, "KDE Woman" is a class of its own, huh? ;) |
23:44.28 | StevenR | ? |
23:44.40 | lasindi | From your buttons ^ |
23:44.46 | StevenR | they aren't my buttons |
23:44.56 | StevenR | i only made one for slackware |
23:45.00 | lasindi | Ohh, *based* on. |
23:45.04 | StevenR | which i need to put somewhere |
23:45.09 | lasindi | Whoops misread your statement. |
23:45.13 | StevenR | 's ok |
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23:57.22 | Phrostbyte | Anyone alive in here? |
23:57.39 | Phrostbyte | I'm wondering how to change my toolbar buttons |
23:57.52 | Phrostbyte | Particularly the K-Menu button |
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23:59.35 | Crell | You mean the kicker? |
23:59.45 | Phrostbyte | The K-Menu button on the desktop |
23:59.46 | Crell | (Taskbar, quicklaunch bar, whatever you want to call it.) |
23:59.59 | Phrostbyte | yeah |