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| 01:21.22 | ryanoe | Anyone in here using Vmware 4.5.2 with Fedora Core 4 |
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| 01:45.23 | snugglemonkey | this smb4k thing is causing some pretty loooooooooong login times in KDE. Seems like it's not really talking to my windows machines all that well. Is there a way to remove it from my kde start up easily? |
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| 01:48.23 | grepper | how did you put it there to begin with ? |
| 01:51.46 | rutski89 | what is a good place to find dual screen backgrounds? |
| 01:52.38 | chodapp | rutski89, take a normal background and hack off the top and bottom and stretch it |
| 01:53.11 | rutski89 | chodapp: good idea :) |
| 01:53.31 | apokryphos | or just invert it, like someone here did: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=23255 |
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| 01:54.00 | benJIman | I usuallly just duplicate it |
| 01:54.27 | rutski89 | benJIman: yea, I think thats what I'm going to do |
| 01:54.28 | benJIman | it's a pain that kde doesn't support doing it automatically with 2 displays, since it knows the display dimensions |
| 01:55.00 | chodapp | rutski89, wait, wait, hold on, if you don't mind really bright colors, I've got one for you |
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| 01:57.00 | apokryphos | TFTs are actually pretty affordable now; might have to actually consider getting a dual-monitor setup |
| 01:58.05 | canllaith | apokryphos: I just got a really gorgeous TFT for my hal :) |
| 01:58.14 | canllaith | 17" silver philips one with built in speakers and it was really cheap |
| 01:58.22 | canllaith | half the price of a year ago |
| 01:58.25 | apokryphos | canllaith: that one you linked before? Yes, very sweet. :) |
| 01:58.28 | benJIman | CRTs sharper, better image quality, better colour reproduction |
| 01:58.37 | benJIman | brighter |
| 01:58.44 | benJIman | don't have the ghosting problem |
| 01:58.46 | benJIman | no dead pixels |
| 01:58.47 | apokryphos | canllaith: I have a 17" Samsung SyncMaster TFT now... very nice, but could be better ;-). 19" at least next time |
| 01:58.48 | benJIman | cheaper |
| 01:59.00 | grepper | free even |
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| 01:59.27 | BROKEN_LADDER | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.43 | canllaith | apokryphos: there is a 20" in the b/f's room. He gets the big one ;) |
| 01:59.46 | benJIman | 19" tfts are a bit of a silly size, they're still only 1280x1024, which is also a silly resolution, if you're getting a tft probably better to save for longer and get a 2001fp for £350 or so, not much more than most 19" tfts and actually higher res |
| 02:00.07 | canllaith | benJIman: I have a zero dead/bright pixel warranty on my TFT, and it has an 8ms response so no ghosting. |
| 02:00.17 | canllaith | It's also as bright as my philips tft I replaced it with. |
| 02:00.23 | apokryphos | The thing is anything after 19" here seems to just dramatically shoot up in price |
| 02:00.26 | canllaith | A year ago what you said was very very true of TFT, but they've improved greatly. |
| 02:00.39 | benJIman | show me a tft which will do 2048x1536 like this crt |
| 02:00.41 | apokryphos | I can get quality 19" TFTs for under £200, which is excellent for me |
| 02:00.46 | canllaith | apokryphos: well that's why, you get 1600x1200 on a 20" .. a 19" doesn't give you any real gain over a 17 |
| 02:00.54 | benJIman | indeed |
| 02:00.55 | snugglemonkey | grepper: I didn't "add" it to auto start. I started it once, and now it starts each time. :) |
| 02:00.58 | canllaith | benJIman: I wouldn't use something that high anyway. |
| 02:01.24 | apokryphos | Darn. Might have to pray and hope that I can find a cheap 20" before September-ish |
| 02:01.48 | benJIman | the dell 2001fps go up and down atm, you can usually get them for about £300-350 |
| 02:01.52 | apokryphos | 1600x1200 sounds very tempting indeed |
| 02:01.57 | canllaith | apokryphos: It's just lovely :) |
| 02:02.14 | canllaith | Although it's depressing looking over his shoulder and seeing he's looking at one of my screenshots from the laptop |
| 02:02.16 | grepper | snugglemonkey: probably you have kde set to automatically save the session |
| 02:02.26 | canllaith | It takes up this tiny square in the centre of the screen, I can't believe that's my ENTIRE screen on the laptop 0_0 |
| 02:02.43 | grepper | snugglemonkey: close any apps you don't want running and save the session |
| 02:03.11 | snugglemonkey | grepper, if I could get it to open, I would... It only has a window with no contents... like it's trying to query the drives. |
| 02:03.22 | snugglemonkey | I can kill the process. |
| 02:03.22 | canllaith | wipe the session. |
| 02:03.30 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.34 | grepper | kill it then |
| 02:03.43 | grepper | muhahaha |
| 02:03.54 | grepper | its not in the systray ? |
| 02:04.00 | snugglemonkey | grepper: but, it just restarts when I log back in. I will try the /session thingy. |
| 02:04.11 | apokryphos | canllaith: heh; sneaky 8) |
| 02:04.20 | grepper | snugglemonkey: it won't if you save the session, or do what canllaith suggested |
| 02:04.24 | apokryphos | benJIman: doesn't seem to be that popular... couldn't find it on amazon |
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| 02:04.43 | benJIman | apokryphos: 2001fp? it's incredibly popular |
| 02:04.48 | benJIman | amazon don't resell dell stuff |
| 02:04.54 | snugglemonkey | whoa. smb4k isn't in the /session dir! interesting. |
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| 02:05.07 | grepper | canllaith: found out the problem with compile yesterday, /usr/bin/cpp ->/usr/bin/cpp-4.0 /usr/bin/g++ -> /usr/bin/g++-3.3 :P |
| 02:05.08 | canllaith | That's the one that is basically the apple 23" screen but at a more reasonable price :) |
| 02:05.13 | snugglemonkey | what is the command to save teh session dchop somethign? |
| 02:05.19 | canllaith | grepper: ooooooooooooooooooh :) hahaha |
| 02:05.33 | benJIman | canllaith: it's a 20.1" 1600x1200 tft |
| 02:05.50 | apokryphos | benJIman: sounds very nice indeed, yup. :) |
| 02:05.51 | grepper | yeah, I think I did it when trying out 4.0 for an app, then didn't return everything to normal |
| 02:06.03 | canllaith | apokryphos: dessa@holly ~ % dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession |
| 02:06.09 | benJIman | http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=2001fp&btnG=Search+Froogle |
| 02:06.11 | canllaith | Something like that I think (ignore my prompt:) |
| 02:06.18 | benJIman | the prices wildly fluctate though |
| 02:06.24 | canllaith | benJIman: oh is it? Fair enough. |
| 02:06.33 | benJIman | one day it'll be £300 the next £600, you ahve to catch it on a good day |
| 02:06.54 | benJIman | they're a bit higher than normal atm |
| 02:06.55 | canllaith | I have this one |
| 02:06.57 | canllaith | http://82.208.4.102/kasaimg/foto/foto_270/philips17_b5cg.jpg |
| 02:07.00 | apokryphos | benJIman: ah, so I see |
| 02:07.02 | rutski89 | chodapp: can i see it? |
| 02:07.43 | snugglemonkey | is there anything different in compiling kdesvn on 64bit vs 32bit that I should be aware of, or is it just the same... "plug and chug? |
| 02:07.44 | apokryphos | canllaith: what does the savecurrentsession do? |
| 02:07.58 | canllaith | The b/f has this one: or something very similar .....http://www.nzpcs.com/images/200P4VB.jpg |
| 02:08.02 | canllaith | ack sorry apokryphos |
| 02:08.09 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: scroll up, I accidentally told apokryphos your answer :) |
| 02:08.22 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I saw it, thanks though! |
| 02:08.30 | canllaith | ah, here we go |
| 02:08.35 | benJIman | snugglemonkey: for compiling kde stuff on 64bit I do "./configure --prefix=/opt/kde3 --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib64/qt3 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib64/qt3/lib64 --enable-libsuffix=64" |
| 02:08.35 | canllaith | brucehoult's screen: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/fotos/desk.jpg |
| 02:08.47 | canllaith | my screen http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/fotos/dsc00841.jpg |
| 02:09.43 | brucehoult | "mini" = "one size down". And 1/4 the price. |
| 02:09.52 | chodapp | rutski89, ftp://mershell.no-ip.org/sunshine51.jpg |
| 02:10.03 | brucehoult | well, ok, it was half the price back in December when I got mine |
| 02:10.22 | apokryphos | mine http://www.youmortals.com/gallery/download.php?attachid=1105&id=1141 with, admittedly, a dazzingly beautiful background |
| 02:10.29 | snugglemonkey | benJIman: thanks for the info! it will be most helpful. |
| 02:10.53 | mobtek | hehe chad|david that is a bit bright :P |
| 02:11.07 | canllaith | brucehoult: it was kinda cute when we had the black one though, I think of it as mini-lcd compared to yours because it was IDENTICAL just smaller, really :) |
| 02:11.14 | brucehoult | wow -- the 20" is down to $1135 now |
| 02:11.16 | canllaith | The resemblance isn't so marked with the silver one |
| 02:11.20 | canllaith | oh no you poor baby heh |
| 02:11.25 | benJIman | snugglemonkey: adjust the prefix to where you want kde obviously, and the libstuff is assuming that your distro follows the filesystem hierachy standard (like suse) |
| 02:11.26 | chodapp | mobtek, all colors are at 100% saturation - I need to fix that... I wrote the algorithm though |
| 02:11.27 | Dhraakellian | woah... huge wallpaper |
| 02:11.28 | canllaith | you coulda bought two if you waited till now ;) |
| 02:11.36 | mobtek | chodapp: hehe neat :) |
| 02:11.50 | mobtek | yeah ow my retinas! :P |
| 02:12.08 | chodapp | I have the parameters saved. I'll make a better one later. |
| 02:12.18 | apokryphos | I have problems with Konq scrolling on some webpages too... morguefile.com as I recall |
| 02:12.19 | Dhraakellian | canllaith, what's in the mug? |
| 02:12.42 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: toffees :) English candy. |
| 02:12.43 | snugglemonkey | benJIman: when I get everything situation, and the system compiled, all see what I can do for the paths. At this point, i have no idea where that stuff is kept. :) |
| 02:12.47 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 02:13.16 | benJIman | snugglemonkey: what distro? |
| 02:14.02 | benJIman | snugglemonkey: gentoo ignores the FHS and puts 64bit libs in /lib and 32 in /lib32 so you have to adjust accordingly, but the ebuilds should take care of it ..no? |
| 02:14.12 | chodapp | mobtek, try ftp://mershell.no-ip.org/spiral31.jpg . . . little easier on the retinas |
| 02:14.37 | snugglemonkey | benJIman: i'm going to build from that uber cool kdesvn script, if possible. |
| 02:15.10 | apokryphos | chodapp: but guaranteed to hypnotise :P |
| 02:15.34 | snugglemonkey | that little nifty script is a life saver for us "unable to build" idiots. |
| 02:15.51 | chodapp | apokryphos, ftp://mershell.no-ip.org/color32.jpg . . . cuz the 1970's aren't dead yet or something.... |
| 02:15.54 | benJIman | snugglemonkey: tbh i've always found it easier to build myself than use konstruct or kdesvn or whatever |
| 02:16.45 | snugglemonkey | benJIman: this kdesvn is pretty easy. I downloaded, unzipped, typed buildkde-svn and walked away... hours later... done. |
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| 02:17.14 | snugglemonkey | benJIman: now, it just builds the updates, so its much faster than the first time. :) |
| 02:18.04 | apokryphos | chodapp: admittedly, I like a bit of colour. Current: http://www.youmortals.com/gallery/download.php?attachid=4164&id=4555 |
| 02:19.31 | chodapp | apokryphos, my background now is the first one at http://mershell.deviantart.com . . . I made it in PovRay |
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| 02:20.41 | mobtek | hehe chodapp: I'm falling! I'm falling! |
| 02:20.54 | chodapp | mobtek, sorry, you okay over there? |
| 02:21.13 | apokryphos | chodapp: very nice. Like swirly things, I take it 8) |
| 02:21.48 | chodapp | apokryphos, well... that's accidental. Look at my other stuff in the gallery; the isosurface one is spirally too, but the rest aren't. |
| 02:22.47 | chodapp | It's from an equation, by the way. |
| 02:22.51 | chodapp | Not hand-modeled. |
| 02:23.38 | apokryphos | chodapp: cool. Nice photos too :) |
| 02:23.51 | chodapp | apokryphos, thanks... |
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| 02:24.47 | apokryphos | I really should check in to devianart more; great stuff. |
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| 02:35.40 | chodapp | apokryphos, it's pretty cool, I've got some friends there. Lots of anime people from my old school are there too, but I hate anime. Beeaqueen and dawncrow are two of my friends on there... |
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| 02:36.41 | Frogbarf | does anyone know hot to change the font encoding in KSirc? |
| 02:36.43 | apokryphos | Never really seen any proper anime, so I wouldn't really know yet |
| 02:38.10 | chodapp | apokryphos, my school has a considerable group devoted to it. |
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| 02:43.44 | gorbekuchulu | I am looking for a streaming audio player, *a good one* ;) |
| 02:44.26 | gorbekuchulu | any help? |
| 02:45.31 | Dhraakellian | amarok |
| 02:46.10 | gorbekuchulu | thanks, let's amaROK ;) |
| 02:46.22 | Dhraakellian | http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Audio_Engine_Comparison |
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| 02:51.45 | chodapp | alsaplayer |
| 02:51.48 | chodapp | *ducks* |
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| 02:51.59 | chodapp | I use it for its simplicity |
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| 02:56.05 | grepper | Dhraakellian: I've had it with kdesvn-build, just going to do it manually from now on |
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| 02:56.22 | Dhraakellian | heh |
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| 02:56.28 | Dhraakellian | already did that with amaroK |
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| 02:56.41 | grepper | too many inconvenient bugs and gotcha's |
| 02:56.48 | grepper | works the 1st time ok, if it works |
| 03:00.40 | chodapp | madpenguin8, what, sometimes I don't want to load a huge application just to play a couple MP3s... |
| 03:01.13 | chodapp | On the other hand, for a few thousand MP3s, Amarok stands a bit better. |
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| 03:55.48 | HilBilly | If I want to remove KDEGames from my Konstruct before compiliing it .. what file would I edit? |
| 04:02.51 | KillerV | does anyone know how to solve a problem where every URL in any given KDE app would not open in konqueror? |
| 04:03.03 | KillerV | like, when someone send me a URL in Kopete |
| 04:03.14 | benJIman | what does it open in ? |
| 04:03.19 | KillerV | I click on it, and it gives me a error and Konqueror won't start |
| 04:03.27 | benJIman | you can set it in kcontrol -> kde components |
| 04:03.28 | benJIman | hmm |
| 04:03.29 | benJIman | what error? |
| 04:03.34 | KillerV | I'm using KDE 3.4.1 in Slackware 10.1 |
| 04:03.42 | benJIman | perhaps your path set up wrong or something |
| 04:04.18 | KillerV | I'm using KDE in portuguese |
| 04:04.39 | KillerV | I don't know if the message is exactly like this, but |
| 04:04.55 | KillerV | it says it can't open the program '%u' |
| 04:05.49 | benJIman | have a look in kcontrol -> kde components -> component chooser -> web browser |
| 04:06.06 | benJIman | what's that set to? |
| 04:06.26 | KillerV | thanks man |
| 04:06.33 | KillerV | so simple |
| 04:06.46 | KillerV | and I didn't ever thought about it :) |
| 04:06.53 | KillerV | thank a lot :) |
| 04:07.04 | KillerV | working fine now |
| 04:07.56 | KillerV | I set it to open URLs based on its content |
| 04:08.01 | KillerV | and it did the trick :) |
| 04:08.39 | choi | hello~ |
| 04:09.25 | KillerV | hi |
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| 04:17.02 | firestorm | Hi. When I open konsole it is black background with white text but never used to be. How can I revert back to whit background with black text? |
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| 05:12.38 | The_Ball | Im trying to use khotkeys to bind the scroll wheel to a command, is that possible? |
| 05:12.50 | The_Ball | i can only find gestures related to the mouse |
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| 05:18.22 | gwllosa | I can't seem to get the 'disable touchpad while typing' feature of KDE to work on my laptop. Is there anything required beyond clicking the checkbox? |
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| 05:19.24 | gwllosa | also, what does 'ALPS' touchpad mean? |
| 05:21.42 | The_Ball | gwllosa, its a make of touchpads i think |
| 05:23.14 | gwllosa | hmm, so nothing to do with the 'disable while typing' stuff, then. |
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| 06:15.17 | aniss | hello all |
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| 06:23.42 | johnny69 | I feel all Null & Void |
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| 06:26.06 | Venson | johnny69: i think you're looking for #counseling |
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| 06:38.57 | johnny69 | Venson: I was thinking more along the lines of Lunatics anonymous. |
| 06:39.17 | johnny69 | I was president of that association at one time, ya know. |
| 06:39.20 | Venson | johnny69: lol...what's up? kde troubles? |
| 06:39.56 | johnny69 | Venson: Nah, I just like to drop in from time to time and listen. But there is nobody here :( |
| 06:40.21 | Venson | johnny69: i digress....there's plenty in here |
| 06:40.49 | johnny69 | Venson: Yeah, but right now they are all doing their Helen Keller impressions :) |
| 06:41.29 | Venson | johnny69: right....they're excellent like that. we should be learning from them ;) |
| 06:42.04 | johnny69 | heheh |
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| 06:45.46 | stibby | can bookmarks in konqueror be exported to .txt or .html? |
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| 06:48.43 | Venson | stibby: there seems to be an export to HTML bookmark listing.....try that? |
| 06:49.23 | stibby | venson: where might this be? |
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| 06:49.45 | cshobe | hey guys, does anybody know how to sort data in kspread? Seems this should be easy but I don't see it. |
| 06:50.03 | Venson | stibby: go to "Edit Bookmarks" Then File->Export-> |
| 06:50.19 | cshobe | nevermind |
| 06:50.20 | cshobe | lol |
| 06:52.06 | stibby | venson: thanks. |
| 06:52.26 | Venson | stibby: np |
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| 06:58.45 | Uberbot | Hi all. |
| 06:59.06 | Uberbot | Can anyone tell my why konsole always starts up windowshaded? |
| 07:00.07 | stibby | what do you mean by windowshaded? |
| 07:00.16 | stibby | it is probably due to the default schema |
| 07:00.19 | Venson | Uberbot: KCC->Desktop->Window Specific Settings.....see if you've setup something there |
| 07:00.55 | stibby | uberbot: it might be in Settings -> Configure Konsole -> Schema, if Venson's suggestion doesn't work |
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| 07:02.46 | Uberbot | Venson was right. |
| 07:02.49 | Uberbot | Thanx again. |
| 07:03.14 | Uberbot | I've got another one.... |
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| 07:03.45 | Uberbot | Every time I start kontact, I get a login window for each account I have configured. But I can't enter my username/password. |
| 07:03.52 | Uberbot | I have to kill the window. |
| 07:04.04 | Uberbot | Then I can work with kontact as usual. |
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| 07:04.48 | Uberbot | Any ideas? |
| 07:05.16 | stibby | hmm...probably distro specific |
| 07:05.19 | stibby | what distro? |
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| 07:26.47 | cshobe | kmail has gotten to be a pretty good IMAP client lately. Too bad it crashes all the time |
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| 07:28.41 | johnny69 | I use Opera for all of that....and it works so well it's sometimes frightening. |
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| 07:32.08 | ^rob^ | hi |
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| 07:32.39 | TecnoVM64 | a little question, i just installed something using an apt-get and now i have no apps in the menu, and kcontrol is empty |
| 07:32.49 | TecnoVM64 | any solution? |
| 07:33.02 | ^rob^ | can somebody tell me what to install to see the keybord layouts list? - i have no kb. layout list in c. center - it is empty - using ubuntu kde 3.4.0 |
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| 07:34.28 | sredna | TecnoVM64: Try run the command 'kbuildsycoca --noincremental' |
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| 07:35.43 | TecnoVM64 | sredna: still nothing |
| 07:36.09 | sredna | TecnoVM64: So, apt screwed up |
| 07:36.19 | sredna | Or rather, the person who made that package |
| 07:36.28 | TecnoVM64 | oh |
| 07:36.31 | TecnoVM64 | :/ |
| 07:37.00 | TecnoVM64 | but is there anyway to regenerate that menu? |
| 07:37.32 | sredna | Try restart KDE |
| 07:37.41 | sredna | Or read the FAQ |
| 07:37.44 | sredna | ~faq |
| 07:37.44 | apt | somebody said faq was frequently asked question... try asking me about "RTFM" |
| 07:37.52 | sredna | ~ug |
| 07:37.52 | apt | ug is probably http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/ |
| 07:38.01 | sredna | TecnoVM64: Look at the userguide ^ |
| 07:38.04 | TecnoVM64 | ok |
| 07:38.25 | sredna | I simply can't remember those tips |
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| 07:52.14 | dyllan | hey guys. does kde have a unzipping utility? :) |
| 07:52.38 | sredna | dyllan: Ark or konqueror |
| 07:52.56 | dyllan | thanks :> |
| 07:54.00 | TecnoVM64 | sredna: i didnt found anything about it :< |
| 07:55.54 | johnny69 | question: Concerning Ark, does anyone find it slow? I'm running on a 1.8 ghz amd with 256 of mem'...and a fairly fast western digital drive.;..and I'm finding Ark taking several minutes to "unzip" or "Un-tar" for example, a 35 meg file. Does anyone else experience this or is several minutes for that kind of process par for the course? (fedora core 3/kde 3.4.) |
| 07:56.13 | johnny69 | thanks |
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| 08:10.46 | mobtek | johnny69: hmm nope I find that sort of thing is less than a minute |
| 08:10.56 | mobtek | but I have 1gb of ram |
| 08:11.17 | johnny69 | mobtek: Send me some ? |
| 08:11.39 | sredna | I don't have a zip file of that size, but bzipped og gzipped files are not that slow |
| 08:11.53 | mobtek | hehe |
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| 08:15.18 | nion | hi |
| 08:15.26 | nion | is it possible to configure kmail fully with dcop? |
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| 08:22.22 | nion | it does not have to be dcop but is there a possibility to configure it without the kmail gui? the difficulty i see is the Default Identity entry in emailidentities |
| 08:22.28 | nion | how is this generated? |
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| 08:32.46 | Speedy2 | Yo all |
| 08:32.51 | Apache2 | isn't there a sort by number option in konqueror? |
| 08:34.13 | Speedy2 | Anyone here setup their Linux system to have fonts like Win2000/XP ?. |
| 08:35.28 | Venson | Speedy2: yes |
| 08:36.18 | Speedy2 | Venson: Would you send me a screenshot of what Slashdot looks like on your machine? I'm using FireFox, and although most fonts look good, a few fonts still look jagged |
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| 08:36.24 | Venson | Apache2: what number are we talking about exactly? |
| 08:36.33 | Apache2 | like files |
| 08:36.35 | Apache2 | 1.jpg |
| 08:36.37 | Apache2 | 2.jpg |
| 08:36.39 | Apache2 | 3.jpg etc |
| 08:36.43 | Venson | Speedy2: firefox works great for me. hang on. |
| 08:36.47 | Apache2 | I don't want it to go |
| 08:36.53 | Apache2 | 1.jpg 100.jpg 101.jpg |
| 08:36.54 | Apache2 | etc |
| 08:36.55 | Speedy2 | Venson: Sure, thanks |
| 08:37.09 | Venson | Apache2: you just sort by name |
| 08:37.14 | Venson | file name, that is |
| 08:37.22 | Apache2 | isn't working for me |
| 08:37.32 | dyllan | Apache2, i get what ur saying |
| 08:37.53 | dyllan | dont have a solution though |
| 08:37.55 | nion | what about if someone wants to configure kmail fpr a bunch of users automatically, is this possible? |
| 08:38.02 | Apache2 | dyllan: heh :) |
| 08:38.13 | Apache2 | really annoying |
| 08:38.38 | Apache2 | that and not being able to sort in list view |
| 08:38.42 | Apache2 | what is a list made for! |
| 08:38.44 | Apache2 | sorting! |
| 08:38.50 | Apache2 | and you can't even sort |
| 08:38.50 | Apache2 | heh |
| 08:39.01 | dyllan | you can sort in list view though :P |
| 08:39.24 | Venson | Speedy2: http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slashdot3ff.jpg.....the sshot looks kinda weird, coz the fonts are just fine actually |
| 08:39.33 | Apache2 | by clicking on the field |
| 08:39.39 | Venson | that's ffox, btw |
| 08:39.40 | dyllan | Apache2, View | View Mode | Detailed View List |
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| 08:40.18 | Speedy2 | Venson: Is FF setup wit the same fonts as you would have on Windows? |
| 08:40.29 | Venson | Apache2: i think what you need is to rename 1.jpg as 001.jpg and so on |
| 08:40.41 | Speedy2 | Venson: Let me put up a screenshot of my setup, Win and Linux |
| 08:41.08 | Venson | Speedy2: i don't know about that. But i do have my windoze fonts installed under kde. and /. looks readable and fine to me |
| 08:41.12 | dyllan | Venson, i think he's aware of that, he just doesnt wanna go through the whole process of renaming each and every file, re-inventing the wheel :P |
| 08:41.35 | dyllan | Speedy2, why what is the initial problem? |
| 08:41.41 | Venson | dyllan: riight....felt that sting before, but i just deal with it :-X |
| 08:41.42 | Apache2 | Venson: either that or konqueror needs list by # option |
| 08:41.44 | Apache2 | ;) |
| 08:41.52 | Speedy2 | dyllan: Well, some fonts in FF on KDE don't look like they do under Windows |
| 08:42.08 | Speedy2 | dyllan: They're noticably more jagged |
| 08:42.12 | Apache2 | save me the pain of re-writing all of my applications to start at 000.jpg |
| 08:43.20 | dyllan | Speedy2, also try fiddling with the KDE system fonts in the Control Center... What ive done with FF is ive setup the Minimum font size to be 11.. that helped with the viewing :) |
| 08:43.40 | Speedy2 | dyllan: Thanks. Does your KDE setup mimick your Windows one? |
| 08:43.49 | Speedy2 | (if you can give me a few, I'll put up screenshots) |
| 08:44.27 | dyllan | Speedy2, in what regard? fonts? Then definitely not, I dont think it is an easy process to mimic M$ XP fonts or something. |
| 08:44.45 | Speedy2 | Hrm...I turned off anti-aliasing in the KDE control-panel and FF didn't look worse...that leads me to belive AA isn't turned on for some reason |
| 08:45.01 | Speedy2 | err, one sec |
| 08:45.06 | Venson | Speedy2: ffox is not a kde app |
| 08:45.22 | dyllan | Speedy2, yea, what version of KDE u using? I dont enjoy the font story, its difficult to get right. .. |
| 08:45.22 | Venson | Speedy2: are you using gtk-qt-engine? |
| 08:45.33 | Speedy2 | Venson: I am using 3.4.1 and I am using the gtk-qt engine |
| 08:45.50 | Speedy2 | Well, I turned on anti-aliasing, didn't exclude any font sizes and FF is now AA'ing it |
| 08:45.54 | Venson | ok...that's good. makes ffox look nicer and more in line with pretty kde =) |
| 08:46.19 | Speedy2 | Problem is that "text" font that is used in Slashdot shouldn't be AAed...I guess I have to play with font ranges and sizes in the fonts.conf |
| 08:46.23 | Speedy2 | Goddamn this is a pain |
| 08:46.53 | Speedy2 | What size font is Slashdot specifying for the headlines, like: "Riot Control Ray-Gun for Use in Iraq" ? |
| 08:47.59 | dyllan | Venson, how do you incorporate the gtk-qt engine into your KDE. How does it take affect? Is there some configuration involved? Or do u just need to compile it? |
| 08:48.21 | Speedy2 | dyllan: What distro are you using? |
| 08:48.28 | dyllan | Speedy2, gentoo |
| 08:48.40 | Venson | dyllan: i usually get a pkg and install it. there's some configuration involved, but it's worked out of the box for me so far |
| 08:48.59 | Speedy2 | dyllan: In Kubuntu it's gtk-qt-engine or something -- I am certain the package exists for you |
| 08:49.06 | dyllan | Venson, Speedy2, whats is the noticable difference? IF any? |
| 08:49.17 | Speedy2 | dyllan: For me, a new option appears in the KDE Control Center, allowing you to specify what font and style the GTK apps use |
| 08:49.22 | dyllan | Speedy2, its ok, im already emerging the gtk-qt-engine :P |
| 08:49.25 | Speedy2 | dyllan: Tremendous! GTK apps look like QT apps :) |
| 08:49.30 | dyllan | nice :> |
| 08:49.31 | Speedy2 | dyllan: Also, I had to add this |
| 08:49.37 | Venson | dyllan: difference? in what? |
| 08:49.47 | Speedy2 | I created a file ".gtkrc-2.0" |
| 08:49.49 | Speedy2 | And put in |
| 08:49.52 | Venson | oh...the engine... |
| 08:49.55 | dyllan | Venson, in the app fonts with the gtk-qt-engine |
| 08:50.02 | dyllan | yea :> |
| 08:50.11 | Speedy2 | gtk-font-name="Tahoma 8" |
| 08:50.26 | Speedy2 | So now, KDE and GTK apps look (font wise) the way Windows does |
| 08:50.29 | Venson | "Speedy2 dyllan: Tremendous! GTK apps look like QT apps :)" |
| 08:50.55 | dyllan | lol @ Venson |
| 08:50.58 | Venson | my eyes are happier this way =) |
| 08:50.59 | dyllan | ok Speedy2 .. . |
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| 08:51.09 | Speedy2 | Well, I turned off AA for fonts from 0 to 13 pt and now FF in Linux looks the way it does in Windows |
| 08:51.16 | dyllan | i have emerged it... what is exactly do u see in Control Center? :) |
| 08:51.40 | Venson | Appearance->GTK fonts and themes (or something to that effect) |
| 08:51.51 | Speedy2 | What Venson said |
| 08:52.15 | dyllan | ow right, i see it :> |
| 08:52.28 | Speedy2 | hrm |
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| 08:52.54 | dyllan | what Style do u use? and what GTK font? :> |
| 08:52.59 | narfoo_ | hello |
| 08:53.15 | narfoo | Thanks |
| 08:53.30 | Speedy2 | dyllan: I use "QT" style and I use Tahoma, 8-pt for my font |
| 08:53.42 | narfoo | okay |
| 08:53.58 | narfoo | this is a test |
| 08:54.26 | narfoo | hello |
| 08:54.33 | narfoo | who are you |
| 08:54.39 | dyllan | Speedy2, hmm ok... changed the style but cant see Tahoma option for font.. u reckon i have to edit the file as u said? |
| 08:54.41 | Speedy2 | Well, I don't quite know what algorithm Windows uses for it's anti-aliasing, but it's pretty smart |
| 08:54.54 | Speedy2 | dyllan: You have to obtain the Tahoma TTF first! |
| 08:55.01 | dyllan | eish :> |
| 08:55.05 | dyllan | alrighty.. . |
| 08:55.12 | Speedy2 | dyllan: Tahoma is the default font used in Win2000/WinXP . I copied it over to my instalation |
| 08:55.14 | narfoo | when waffles attack they end all things |
| 08:55.23 | narfoo | windows is of the devil |
| 08:55.30 | narfoo | devils eat cheese |
| 08:55.38 | Speedy2 | narfoo: I'm learning that they got somethings right, like anti-aliasing of fonts |
| 08:55.48 | narfoo | why is the waffle the waffles why not anti-gover |
| 08:55.58 | narfoo | what ever |
| 08:56.30 | narfoo | its microsoft they can't do anything right. but they can fake it well |
| 08:56.56 | narfoo | they can hide it from the end user (at least for a while |
| 08:56.57 | narfoo | ) |
| 08:57.04 | dyllan | brb :> |
| 08:57.05 | narfoo | DUDE |
| 08:57.18 | narfoo | SYSTEM EDIT |
| 08:57.30 | narfoo | Local System (S-1-5-18) |
| 08:57.34 | narfoo | what is this thing |
| 08:58.00 | narfoo | cheese is the element in all crimes commited by people with IQs below 16 |
| 08:58.11 | narfoo | what do you have to say to that world ! |
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| 09:06.34 | Liudy | Hi,is there a movie player in kde? |
| 09:09.05 | baggins | haha |
| 09:09.10 | baggins | many |
| 09:09.12 | baggins | too many |
| 09:09.36 | baggins | try kaffeine, mplayer, xine, kplayer... |
| 09:09.38 | Venson | kmplayer, kplayer |
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| 09:09.45 | Venson | kaffeine |
| 09:09.48 | baggins | make sure you have kdemultimedia installed and have al ook in your menus |
| 09:09.52 | Venson | vlc ;) |
| 09:10.28 | baggins | noatun? kaboodle? |
| 09:12.45 | Liudy | what's the perfer one? |
| 09:13.07 | Liudy | In other words,what's the popular? |
| 09:13.21 | Venson | they're all popular. use them and find out which one works for you the best |
| 09:13.36 | Venson | you dont have to pay to use any one of them anyway |
| 09:14.37 | Dirus | if I wanted to use an image for a theme, does anyone know how old it has to be before it's public domain in the US? |
| 09:14.48 | Liudy | Venson, thanks |
| 09:15.53 | Liudy | ldy@ldy:~$ dpkg -L kdemultimedia |
| 09:15.54 | Liudy | /usr/share |
| 09:15.54 | Liudy | /usr/share/doc |
| 09:15.58 | Liudy | /usr/share/doc/kdemultimedia |
| 09:16.00 | Liudy | /usr/share/doc/kdemultimedia/copyright |
| 09:16.04 | Liudy | /usr/share/doc/kdemultimedia/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 09:16.06 | Liudy | ldy@ldy:~$ dpkg -L kdemultimedia |
| 09:16.08 | Liudy | /usr/share |
| 09:16.10 | Liudy | /usr/share/doc |
| 09:16.12 | Liudy | /usr/share/doc/kdemultimedia |
| 09:16.14 | Liudy | /usr/share/doc/kdemultimedia/copyright |
| 09:16.16 | Liudy | /usr/share/doc/kdemultimedia/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 09:16.18 | Liudy | It seems kdemultimedia contians nothing |
| 09:16.34 | Venson | heh |
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| 09:43.47 | spike | hi |
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| 09:46.14 | spike | I've replaced kdm and kdesplash 's theme, but I still see the kubuntu image right after I've logged in through kdm, and before kdesplash is loaded. |
| 09:46.23 | spike | I don't get where that is defined |
| 09:46.49 | spike | I've grepped both /usr/share/ for "background.png" and ~/.kde/, but the few references I found didn't help |
| 09:47.31 | Venson | spike: ask #ubuntu or #kubuntu or w/e |
| 09:48.22 | spike | Venson: uhm, why not #kde? it's kde customizing after all |
| 09:48.45 | spike | what's in between kdm and kdespalsh isn't strictly ubuntu stuff |
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| 10:03.41 | sylau | hi......... |
| 10:04.20 | JustinS | g'night all .. I've got a little problem .. My son smacked my keyboard, and now all my windows on my left monitor lack the boarder around them, but the windows on my right monitor are fine. (min-expand-x not visable, and there is no way to move/adjust the size of the window ..) help? |
| 10:04.51 | jpa- | haha :D |
| 10:05.34 | spike | JustinS: keep alt pressed and drag the mouse pressing the right button |
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| 10:06.08 | spike | JustinS: that will resize the window. keep alt pressend and drag the mouse pressing the left button for moving the window around |
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| 10:07.10 | JustinS | spike: Nothing happens except it'll open a drop down menu .. I'd like to get the border back .. I see on the right monitor there is a way to shut the border off .. right click>advanced>no border .. |
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| 10:14.27 | notbadname | Hello Everybody |
| 10:14.30 | notbadname | Howdy |
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| 10:15.18 | notbadname | does KMail adds headers before recevied-from line ? |
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| 10:27.16 | DexterF | hey ho |
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| 10:27.53 | DexterF | kopete issue. made a yahoo account yesterday, now in icq chats on my side my yahoo id is displayed instead of my icq nick. |
| 10:28.00 | DexterF | can anyone confirm? |
| 10:28.12 | sredna | DexterF: Try #kopete |
| 10:28.43 | DexterF | ah. that's new, thaks. |
| 10:29.13 | notbadname | does KMail adds headers before recevied-from line ? |
| 10:32.31 | sredna | I believe kmail adds its headers at the bottom |
| 10:32.41 | sredna | (of the header section) |
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| 10:35.06 | notbadname | then what is this? X-Gmail-Received: and Delivered-To: ? |
| 10:35.43 | notbadname | is there a way to remove these lines automatically? |
| 10:36.11 | JustinS | By chance does any one know how to turn the borders back on in kde? (around the windows that allow sizing and moving?) |
| 10:37.09 | Venson | JustinS: does that not show up only for specific type of windows? or is it global? |
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| 10:38.09 | JustinS | Venson: One one monitor it's good to go, on my other monitor it's gone .. I "think" my three year old "helped" with it .. |
| 10:39.11 | Venson | JustinS: not sure what your setup's like....but you might nevertheless benefit by looking at the Window Specific Settings and Window Decoration sections of the CC |
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| 10:39.31 | JustinS | Venson: K .. I'll check there .. thanks .. |
| 10:39.50 | notbadname | is there a way to strip out these additional lines automatically? |
| 10:40.55 | JustinS | Venson: When I open up the CC it's mostly visable, but needs pulled up about half a screen for me to see what's changed .. Right now it's looking normal there .. redmond, bordersize normal and the preview looks okay .. but I can't see below that .. |
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| 10:43.12 | JustinS | Venson: I tried to change the window decoration to plastik and it only changed my right monitor, but both monitors blinked when I said apply .. |
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| 10:44.45 | Venson | :-S .... |
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| 10:45.22 | JustinS | ditto .. |
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| 10:46.52 | dyllan | hi :) |
| 10:48.42 | dyllan | kde fonts, i can see all my fonts if i choose admin mode in Control Center, but for a normal user all those fonts dont appear, is there something i have to update? :) |
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| 10:49.07 | Venson | appear *where*? |
| 10:50.31 | dyllan | yo Venson :> |
| 10:50.43 | dyllan | how u mate |
| 10:50.57 | dyllan | a got a nice font wiki for gentoo if u interested |
| 10:51.05 | dyllan | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts |
| 10:51.11 | Venson | nah....i stick to slackware for now |
| 10:51.39 | dyllan | anyway.. in Control Center.. . 'Appearance & Themes' & 'system Admin' |
| 10:51.58 | dyllan | in SA i can see all my fonts installed, but it A&T i cant ... i only see a few |
| 10:52.06 | dyllan | slack is gr8 :) |
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| 10:52.58 | Venson | dyllan: what kinda fonts are these and how'd you install them? |
| 10:52.59 | dyllan | in* |
| 10:53.40 | dyllan | i followed the wiki, it's basically emerging the neccessary font packages, and then making sure your font paths for xorg and the system include the DIR where ur fonts are u know. |
| 10:54.54 | Venson | dyllan: why don't you just use the kde's font installer system? easier, quicker and painless....and it'll most certainly work =) |
| 10:56.26 | dyllan | Venson, KDE font installer has all the fonts i installed from the wiki :) |
| 10:56.49 | Venson | dyllan: i'm not sure that means they're installed right, however. |
| 10:56.53 | dyllan | they just not showing up in the A&T, but maybe im doing something wrong. .. |
| 10:57.03 | dyllan | ok, ill fiddle :) |
| 10:57.06 | Venson | dyllan: just reinstall them using the kde way? |
| 10:57.15 | dyllan | i guess thats a shot :> |
| 11:00.15 | dyllan | Venson, can u upload a screenshot of ur FONTS in control Center under App & Themes |
| 11:00.15 | dyllan | ? |
| 11:00.28 | dyllan | u got ur's close to M$ right? |
| 11:00.30 | Venson | dyllan: the point being....? |
| 11:00.36 | Venson | no |
| 11:01.01 | Venson | i just have some M$ TTF fonts installed. i'm not sure what the proximity is between my fonts installed and M$'s fonts |
| 11:01.19 | dyllan | ok :> |
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| 11:02.57 | ozguru | hey yo |
| 11:04.19 | ozguru | can i use different bar allocation per konqueror web browsing and file browsing |
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| 11:16.09 | notbadname | Hello Everybody |
| 11:16.39 | notbadname | i created a filter to remove a header from mail in Kmail |
| 11:17.11 | notbadname | but even i if apply manually it is not removing the header |
| 11:17.19 | notbadname | what shall i do? |
| 11:19.36 | notbadname | anybody there? |
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| 11:21.07 | ozguru | i updated baghira to latest cvs now starter is not running |
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| 11:27.44 | notbadname | Hello |
| 11:27.59 | notbadname | Kmail is not removing header |
| 11:28.06 | notbadname | please help |
| 11:30.14 | PieD | what header ? |
| 11:31.05 | notbadname | PieD: that is not important, the header that writen by my email server |
| 11:31.33 | PieD | why should kmail remove the header ? |
| 11:32.39 | notbadname | PieD: it is an extra header, so i created a filter to remove it in Kmail |
| 11:32.54 | notbadname | PieD: but nothing happening |
| 11:33.07 | PieD | you want to remove in on outgoing mails ? |
| 11:33.53 | notbadname | PieD: i want remove header in incoming mail |
| 11:34.28 | notbadname | PieD: i applied that filter even manually but it does'nt work |
| 11:38.21 | notbadname | PieD: are you there?// |
| 11:38.32 | PieD | yes, but I've got nothing to say ! |
| 11:38.48 | PieD | Yet I understand what you want |
| 11:39.00 | PieD | but since I never tried such things, I can't really help you :/ |
| 11:41.05 | notbadname | PieD: most people mum on this |
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| 12:27.14 | eazel7 | hi ppl |
| 12:28.49 | macavity | 'ello :) |
| 12:29.11 | macavity | how may i be of service? :P |
| 12:29.17 | eazel7 | anybody interested into making a kde teg (risk) client? |
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| 12:33.18 | eazel7 | Venson: teg is a risk game clone (see teg.sf.net) |
| 12:33.33 | Venson | eazel7: looking.... |
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| 12:37.08 | macavity | oh.. my programming skils are very limited.. i'm still trying to get to grasps with even the basic consepts |
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| 12:41.55 | eazel7 | macavity: thanks for get interested anyway, and I'd recommend you 'Thinking in C++' by Eckel when you dig a bit into programming |
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| 12:45.26 | termo | damn, more shiz in london... |
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| 12:49.13 | KillerV | eazel7: check this out https://gna.org/projects/ksirk/ |
| 12:49.55 | eazel7 | KillerV: know that, but I dislike it's behaviour and it's look'n'feel |
| 12:50.04 | KillerV | oh |
| 12:50.06 | KillerV | I see :) |
| 12:50.20 | macavity | eazel7: may i rant? |
| 12:50.29 | eazel7 | have you seen teg? |
| 12:50.56 | eazel7 | of course |
| 12:51.59 | macavity | it is *always* better, in the free/open community, to collaborate and improve rather then duplicate work, fork or compete |
| 12:52.52 | Venson | i don't quite agree, though i can fathom where you're going with that argument, macavity |
| 12:53.04 | eazel7 | sometimes, but I've been diggin' in ksirk's source and it's too different |
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| 12:53.39 | KillerV | there is others |
| 12:53.44 | KillerV | jRisk |
| 12:53.48 | macavity | please go give it a *thourough* beating and make a carefully crafted report on both usability and look'n'feel, and send it to the maintainer.. if you are polite and do a serious effort, i am sure they will take you serious |
| 12:53.53 | KillerV | Java Risk/ |
| 12:54.34 | macavity | KillerV: does it run with GNU Classpath? |
| 12:55.20 | macavity | </rant> ;) |
| 12:55.42 | KillerV | didn't play any computer Risk clone yet |
| 12:55.54 | KillerV | I just know of their existence :) |
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| 12:56.05 | KillerV | http://javarisk.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:56.13 | KillerV | http://jrisk.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 12:56.41 | macavity | eazel7: are you a programmer yourself? |
| 12:56.49 | eazel7 | yes |
| 12:57.04 | macavity | "librisk"? :P |
| 12:57.40 | eazel7 | one client is in |
| 12:57.52 | macavity | ? |
| 12:57.53 | eazel7 | one client is in C, other in Java, other in C++ |
| 12:57.58 | macavity | oh |
| 12:58.02 | eazel7 | I think it's not usefule |
| 12:58.27 | macavity | it was just a thought |
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| 12:58.40 | eazel7 | the server/ggz is the 'library' they'd have in common |
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| 12:59.29 | macavity | how about ai for single player? validating moves in general? |
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| 13:00.33 | eazel7 | teg has three parts: tegserver, tegclient and tegrobot |
| 13:00.47 | eazel7 | the tegrobot is a ai client who joins your game ;) |
| 13:00.47 | macavity | oh.. ok |
| 13:00.58 | eazel7 | and it'd be launched from the client |
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| 13:01.40 | eazel7 | so it's not needed to rewrite ai, tegrobot would do the work |
| 13:02.02 | macavity | i c |
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| 13:10.24 | ztonzy | hey :) I need help to figure out how my dvd-burner can see that I have a empty dvd-rw disc...right now it seems as it don't see it or dont wanna burn it |
| 13:10.39 | ztonzy | it is a SONY dvd-rw |
| 13:10.46 | ztonzy | so good quality |
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| 13:16.51 | macavity | ztonzy: what does your /ect/fstab entry for the drive look like? |
| 13:16.57 | ztonzy | well...it worked out :) |
| 13:17.02 | ztonzy | my fault I think |
| 13:17.26 | ztonzy | it is burnig now...quite simple error...(/me blushes) |
| 13:17.30 | ztonzy | burning* |
| 13:17.39 | macavity | :) |
| 13:18.15 | ztonzy | hehe |
| 13:18.20 | macavity | dont worry.. ive been using GNU/Linux since RH 5.1.. and i still make no-brainers from time to time :) |
| 13:18.28 | ztonzy | macavity, lol :) |
| 13:18.53 | macavity | ... actually "from time to time" is a bit of an understatement :P |
| 13:19.10 | ztonzy | macavity, btw...do you know why Kaffeine and Konqueror segfaults in Kubuntu? I have been going back and forth between Kubuntu and Ubuntu (kde vs gnome) |
| 13:19.16 | ztonzy | macavity, a lot ?? :D |
| 13:19.49 | macavity | sorry.. i use Slackware exclusively when i run GNU/Linux |
| 13:19.58 | ztonzy | it segfaults to often, and it is more than me that have notice this |
| 13:20.19 | macavity | i only use Debian [deriatives] when i run GNU/Hurd |
| 13:20.19 | eazel7 | me too |
| 13:20.30 | ztonzy | macavity, the other user I know of that noticed this, have debian and he doesn't have this issue, but when he tried Kubuntu it happened |
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| 13:20.56 | ztonzy | and it's annoying |
| 13:21.01 | macavity | then they fscked up something.. recent gcc's are a bit tricky to get right |
| 13:21.22 | ztonzy | fscked ? :) |
| 13:21.28 | ztonzy | ok |
| 13:21.29 | macavity | fucked |
| 13:21.31 | macavity | ;) |
| 13:21.35 | ztonzy | my guess is that |
| 13:22.20 | macavity | the new ABI of libstdc++, new technology, updates in Qt, etc, etc makes it non-trivial |
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| 13:22.42 | ztonzy | macavity, aha |
| 13:22.51 | macavity | afaik they should have stayed with debian packages, and just changed "preconfiguration" options |
| 13:23.11 | ztonzy | :) |
| 13:23.48 | macavity | there is a reason why the good debian folks a so obsessed with checking and almost anal controll of the build process |
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| 13:24.16 | macavity | one slip with a header file that gets included from the wrong place and you are "skrewed" |
| 13:25.28 | macavity | i know this from bitter experience.. as i once tried to "go clever" on an LFS attempt.. i have *never* *ever* seen so many errors in rappid succesion in such a short amount of time :-/ |
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| 13:26.24 | HilBilly | how did you screw up the lfs install? |
| 13:27.33 | macavity | it was back in 2.2-cvs, when the containment got broken |
| 13:27.59 | ztonzy | yay, burn is finished |
| 13:28.19 | macavity | so i descided to go with a patched version of glibc, and just copy the relevant headers back and forth |
| 13:28.37 | macavity | .. that kind of exploded when i reached "make test" :P |
| 13:29.04 | macavity | HilBilly: you LFS too? |
| 13:29.12 | HilBilly | oh yeah .. you don't screw with glibc too much! |
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| 13:29.21 | HilBilly | yeah .. been building 'em for a while |
| 13:29.34 | HilBilly | kinda like collecting ships in a bottle |
| 13:29.40 | HilBilly | everyone needs a hobby |
| 13:29.57 | macavity | yup... my new one is the Hurd :-) |
| 13:30.10 | HilBilly | what is the hurd all about? |
| 13:30.20 | HilBilly | I have heard the name .. not much else |
| 13:30.24 | macavity | oh.. thats a long story |
| 13:30.41 | macavity | first of, it is not a monolithic kernel |
| 13:31.01 | macavity | its a "herd" or userspace servers that run on top of a minimalistic kernel |
| 13:31.17 | macavity | *very* minimalistic |
| 13:31.30 | HilBilly | but it runs the bulk of open source software? |
| 13:31.30 | macavity | this allows for a *great* deal of flexibility |
| 13:31.49 | macavity | so so.. 40% of the debian packages run |
| 13:32.06 | HilBilly | and gcc? |
| 13:32.09 | macavity | sure |
| 13:32.31 | macavity | otherwise they would not be able to do much to improve the system ;) |
| 13:32.39 | HilBilly | this is true |
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| 13:33.04 | macavity | you could try out the K9 release from debian |
| 13:33.25 | macavity | i like to tinker with stuff yes |
| 13:33.27 | HilBilly | K9 is hurd, I take it |
| 13:33.36 | macavity | :-) |
| 13:33.52 | macavity | dont forget to GOOGLE(TM) for all the info you can get |
| 13:34.06 | macavity | its an intirely different beast then GNU/Linux |
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| 13:34.45 | macavity | the concept of "translaters" will be somewhat alien to you.. untill it click in just how usefull they are |
| 13:35.14 | HilBilly | are you running kde under hurd now? |
| 13:35.28 | HilBilly | what about java/open office/ et al? |
| 13:36.08 | macavity | kde *just* got here.. i havent got my hands on the patches yet.. but i suspect that they will be in testing in a few week (or days) |
| 13:36.15 | macavity | i dont know about open office |
| 13:36.31 | macavity | ... but dont plan to run a production enviroment on the Hurd yet |
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| 13:37.20 | HilBilly | ok |
| 13:37.59 | macavity | so far its mostly for playing with |
| 13:38.21 | illogic-al | "so far" being a span of over a decade now |
| 13:38.27 | Roey | *it's |
| 13:38.39 | macavity | but it is picking up development speed again |
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| 13:40.12 | macavity | when Hurd/L4 hits alpha i think we will see intersting things :-) |
| 13:41.16 | HilBilly | well .. I might take a peek at it ... if I ever have some time to kill |
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| 13:41.55 | Libby_ | Hi :-) Where are the links to the applications of the kicker menu located in ~/.kde ? |
| 13:42.22 | HilBilly | it's stable |
| 13:42.22 | HilBilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.32 | HilBilly | that does sound intrigueing |
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| 13:43.10 | macavity | no.. it's "stable" ;-P |
| 13:44.03 | macavity | and yes.. the Hurd as some really interesting possibilities |
| 13:44.06 | silver_hook | hullo, I've got a slight problem with kWallet ...it doesn't work. maybe I have some old kwallet settings lurching around, but I'm not sure if that's a problem |
| 13:44.07 | HilBilly | who maintains kweather? Can we twist his arm into adding farenheit temps? |
| 13:45.45 | HilBilly | macavity ... are you running hurd now? |
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| 13:45.48 | macavity | doesnt it respect you region settings? |
| 13:45.59 | HilBilly | hmmm |
| 13:46.34 | macavity | HilBilly: no.. im at a café, but i run the Hurd (too) on my workstation |
| 13:48.37 | HilBilly | only regional settings I saw to change was metric to imperial .. will see if that affects it on next startup |
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| 13:49.39 | HilBilly | your cafe is in denmark? |
| 13:49.52 | HilBilly | copenhagen? |
| 13:50.16 | macavity | Aalborg |
| 13:50.43 | HilBilly | ok |
| 13:50.54 | HilBilly | I have a good friend in copenhagen |
| 13:51.16 | macavity | kewl |
| 13:51.38 | HilBilly | guess I should start calling him my brother-in-law |
| 13:51.49 | HilBilly | he married my sister (poor soul) |
| 13:51.58 | HilBilly | but he hasn't got his visa to come here yet |
| 13:55.14 | macavity | hehe :) |
| 13:55.37 | HilBilly | I am reading the home page on hurd now |
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| 13:55.58 | HilBilly | says that support for most hardware is missing .. so ... no sound? |
| 13:56.01 | HilBilly | no xmms? |
| 13:56.10 | HilBilly | no mplayer! |
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| 13:56.57 | Zaki | hi |
| 13:57.06 | HilBilly | hi zaki |
| 13:57.09 | Zaki | in kde if i click on a file name or icon |
| 13:57.18 | Zaki | isn't it supposed to open the file! |
| 13:57.18 | Zaki | ? |
| 13:57.24 | Zaki | HilBilly, hi :) |
| 13:57.30 | macavity | as i said.. dont plan on running a production enviroment on it yet.. dual boot and learn something new |
| 13:57.38 | macavity | hello :-) |
| 13:58.03 | macavity | Zaki: define "supposed to open the file" please? |
| 13:58.04 | HilBilly | zaki .. assuming you mean in kongueror .. right? |
| 13:58.28 | macavity | do you mean "open it in the relevant app" or "open it for viewing?" |
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| 13:59.59 | Zaki | open it using the default application for this file type |
| 14:00.23 | HilBilly | wow .. the new konqueror plays .swf out of the box! |
| 14:00.25 | HilBilly | kewl! |
| 14:00.29 | Zaki | actually i like to always specify the application to open the file whenever i open a file. |
| 14:00.38 | Zaki | but i was just wondering where did this feature go... |
| 14:00.42 | macavity | nope.. the default is to just view it.. you have to change it your self if you want it to open for editing |
| 14:01.15 | macavity | Zaki: right click on a file of the type you want to alter behaviour for |
| 14:01.19 | Zaki | macavity, but when i double click the file in the file manager nothing happens |
| 14:01.28 | macavity | Zaki: then find the little icon with a wrench on it |
| 14:02.20 | macavity | Zaki: then change the "open in internal viewer" to "open in external viewer" or click "advanced" and set the app manually |
| 14:03.10 | Zaki | the hing that i should be asking about is actually how to change the behaviour when clicking and double clicking on a file |
| 14:03.34 | HilBilly | or perhaps file associations? |
| 14:04.19 | HilBilly | I love this binary clock applet! |
| 14:05.13 | Zaki | HilBilly, macavity, i know about file assoc and how i configure them ... |
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| 14:06.47 | HilBilly | ok |
| 14:07.44 | macavity | Zaki: in controll center -> prifirals -> mouse -> double-click/single-click |
| 14:08.18 | macavity | ouch.. how bad can one guy mess up the word "periferals" all by him self? :P |
| 14:08.51 | macavity | Roey: where were you when i needed you? |
| 14:09.20 | illogic-al | macavity: pretty badly if it's spelt peripherals :-p |
| 14:09.42 | macavity | lol |
| 14:10.12 | Zaki | macavity, no i was asking about how to configure the clicking on file names in the konqueror's file manager |
| 14:10.20 | Zaki | or file icons |
| 14:10.43 | Zaki | the action to take when i click on a file icon |
| 14:10.58 | Zaki | oh |
| 14:11.02 | Zaki | macavity, i found it thanks :) |
| 14:11.23 | macavity | phew.. i was starting to get frustrated here :) |
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| 14:13.08 | Zaki | hehe = ) |
| 14:14.01 | some1 | is there an easy way to return a user account to kde defaults? |
| 14:15.06 | [_]illogic-al | log out and move/delete ~/.kde |
| 14:15.12 | HilBilly | you can delete .kde |
| 14:15.20 | some1 | it will rebuild it? |
| 14:15.24 | HilBilly | the logout/login |
| 14:15.25 | [_]illogic-al | indeed |
| 14:15.31 | some1 | ah, nice |
| 14:15.33 | some1 | thanks |
| 14:15.40 | [_]illogic-al | might wanna move |
| 14:15.44 | [_]illogic-al | and not delete |
| 14:15.50 | some1 | ill move it, just in case |
| 14:16.01 | [_]illogic-al | you can always put config files back if you've any settings |
| 14:16.12 | [_]illogic-al | you don't want to configure all over again |
| 14:16.36 | some1 | i tried kiosk on an account, and it seemed to work ok, but it caused some permissions problems |
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| 14:19.28 | some1 | hmmm, that didnt make everything default |
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| 14:20.13 | macavity | are you sure your test user is a member of the right groups? |
| 14:20.21 | some1 | yep |
| 14:20.26 | macavity | hmm |
| 14:20.30 | macavity | what distro? |
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| 14:20.44 | some1 | and made the files i was trying to open full accessable to all users and groups |
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| 14:20.57 | some1 | redhat enterprise 3 |
| 14:21.34 | macavity | ouf.. i havent been running redhat since 6.0.. so im compleatly useless to you |
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| 14:37.27 | benJIman | hmm it took well over a minuite to open the irc window with history |
| 14:37.42 | benJIman | this is on a 3200+ @ 2.2ghz with 500mhz ram and 10krpm raptor hard disk |
| 14:38.14 | benJIman | virtmem usage = 938704 |
| 14:38.22 | benJIman | rss = 602904 |
| 14:39.18 | macavity | ouch.. |
| 14:39.45 | benJIman | this is why I don't have history on, it gets up to 300mb often without history |
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| 14:40.48 | benJIman | gah this si really whoring my machine |
| 14:41.12 | snodnipper | Does anyone know why KNewsTicker gets banned from slashdot even though the interval is set to 90 minutes!? |
| 14:41.28 | benJIman | because slashdot are really fussy about how often you check |
| 14:41.38 | benJIman | oops wrong window for above |
| 14:42.30 | snodnipper | benJIMan: but I thought it was only if you access greater than every 30 minutes? |
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| 14:47.45 | HilBilly | I just looked at news ticker .. they have all sorts of stuff you can monitor .. but NO new sources like usatoday/cnn/etc |
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| 14:52.36 | snodnipper | HilBilly: surely you can add aditional sources ;) |
| 14:52.43 | snodnipper | *additional |
| 14:52.55 | HilBilly | guess so .. will add some later |
| 14:53.13 | HilBilly | got five acres of grass beckoning to be cut first |
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| 14:53.57 | snodnipper | HilBilly: you need some scissors! ;) |
| 14:54.31 | macavity | id say i needs fifty gallons of Round Up ;-) |
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| 14:55.06 | HilBilly | yeah .. the stuff just keeps growing back |
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| 14:55.53 | macavity | try mercury.. that will keep the soil dead for a few decades :P |
| 14:56.33 | HilBilly | go from rainforest to dust bowl .. what a concept |
| 14:56.54 | macavity | i'm fresh out of radioactive waste material.. so i cant lend you any at the moment |
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| 14:57.14 | HilBilly | you been making nightlights again? |
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| 14:57.43 | LabThug | Anyone knows where (or if) kopete saves IRC conversations? |
| 14:58.05 | macavity | some bearded guy gave me a decent price for it.. he said he'd use it to nuder camels ;P |
| 14:58.58 | dyllan | hi all :) Im battling to install a KDM theme... i have copied the 'Theme' into /usr/kdm/3.4/share/apps/kdm/themes/ DIR. I then edited dkmrc and added the theme line as such; Theme=/usr/kde/3.4/share/apps/kdm/themes/ThisSpring <=- but when i logout and backin it doesnt change a thing :/ Any ideas? |
| 15:00.44 | snodnipper | LabThug: I'm not too sure about kopete's logging facility...it seems to have a history extension...but it needs to be enabled first. |
| 15:07.16 | LabThug | snodnipper: thanks |
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| 15:08.57 | LabThug | snodnipper: any ideas where docs for setting up the history plug-in on a FreeBSD machine would be? |
| 15:09.57 | benJIman | the history extension eats memory, even more than without, if you're using irc /don't/ enable it |
| 15:10.06 | benJIman | (irc with kopete) |
| 15:10.16 | LabThug | heh, thanks benJIman |
| 15:10.39 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/kopetememhistory.pdf |
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| 15:28.25 | dyllan | he yguys, anyone had any experience with installing kdm themes? |
| 15:29.32 | benJIman | dyllan: there's a control center module on kde-look |
| 15:29.59 | benJIman | dyllan: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22120 |
| 15:31.52 | HilBilly | it is in contol center as well .. under system administration/login manager |
| 15:32.36 | benJIman | HilBilly: that can't install the new kde 3.4 themes afaik |
| 15:33.20 | HilBilly | what do I know .. I still use startx |
| 15:34.09 | benJIman | dyllan: as for manually installing them it's a matter of copying them to `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps/kdm/themes and editing the kdmrc |
| 15:34.19 | dyllan | hmm |
| 15:34.39 | dyllan | benJIman, that's what i did (manual) but it didnt work |
| 15:35.12 | benJIman | dyllan: well use the control center module, but that's the way todo it |
| 15:38.53 | dyllan | ill give it a go quick |
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| 15:45.50 | Basic2EE | Does auto detection of a proxy work konq 3.3.2 on debian? I have it selected. tail -f /var/log/squid/*.log and sniffing eth0. I never see a dns request for wpad issues, not any activity in the squid logs. |
| 15:47.34 | Basic2EE | I know the wpad.<mydomain>.<com> works since firefox picks it up without a problem. |
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| 15:52.10 | Basic2EE | I am also sure the wpad.dat is correct, if I manually put the url into konq it works as expected |
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| 16:10.58 | linkiosk | hi |
| 16:11.37 | linkiosk | in the control center i activated transparent menues, but no menu is transparent - why? |
| 16:11.46 | Roey | macavity: hello :) |
| 16:12.39 | Roey | macavity: what's up? |
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| 16:21.18 | johnny69 | Hello folks...got a question. I'm runnging Opera 8.? under Linux. Sometimes, depending on what outside program I am running, I try to click on a link, instead of just passing the URL/addess directly to Opera, it instead appears to download the entire webpage, thus creating a temp' file, then passing that to Opera to open. This is failing about 45% of the time. This is most noticeable when clicking on something inside of KnewsTicker. D |
| 16:21.18 | johnny69 | have any ideas? (Kde 3.4.1/Fedora core 3) Thanks. |
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| 16:57.49 | Flendor | Good evening. |
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| 17:02.25 | Lumination | yo hey |
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| 17:06.33 | ozguru | for irc |
| 17:06.52 | ozguru | like "someone is away" someone is log in |
| 17:07.24 | Lumination | hermmmm |
| 17:09.42 | ozguru | hmm |
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| 17:13.24 | Mojo_risin | Hi, I'm having trouble compiling kdepim from trunk: knotesglobalconfig.cpp: In constructor ` |
| 17:13.24 | Mojo_risin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.24 | Mojo_risin | knotesglobalconfig.cpp:23: error: no matching function for call to `KNoteConfig |
| 17:13.24 | Mojo_risin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.24 | Mojo_risin | knoteconfig.h:9: error: candidates are: KNoteConfig::KNoteConfig(const |
| 17:13.24 | Mojo_risin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.26 | Mojo_risin | knoteconfig.h:12: error: |
| 17:13.28 | Mojo_risin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.30 | Mojo_risin | make[3]: *** [knotesglobalconfig.lo] Error 1 |
| 17:13.32 | Mojo_risin | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/pmg/kde-svn/kdepim/knotes' |
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| 17:15.54 | osoh | hi all |
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| 18:15.43 | dyllan | hi guys :> |
| 18:16.01 | dyllan | is there a way to change the default background and splash screen for all users? :) |
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| 18:18.34 | lauri | dyllan: yes, several, what kind of scale are you talking about? |
| 18:18.46 | lauri | dyllan: how you do it for 3 is a little different to how you might want to deal with 40 thousand |
| 18:19.29 | dyllan | yes of course |
| 18:19.33 | dyllan | im talking 50+ |
| 18:19.40 | dyllan | one server |
| 18:19.47 | gmg9 | how do add more sites in preferences > Backgrounds > Get new wallpappers, has only one (kde-look.org) |
| 18:19.49 | dyllan | using kdm |
| 18:20.03 | dyllan | lauri, thankfully not 40 thousand :P |
| 18:20.26 | lauri | dyllan: for 50 odd users, you really want to look at the KDE kiosk stuf |
| 18:20.29 | lauri | f |
| 18:20.34 | lauri | apt user-guide |
| 18:20.37 | vanRijn | aseigo: ping |
| 18:20.39 | lauri | ehm |
| 18:20.46 | lauri | oh screw apt, i forget how to work him |
| 18:20.53 | vanRijn | heh |
| 18:21.11 | lauri | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/kde-for-administrators.html |
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| 18:21.40 | lauri | and http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/ |
| 18:21.52 | dyllan | lauri, yes i do have kiosk, ill give it a try quick :) |
| 18:21.59 | aseigo | vanRijn: pong? |
| 18:23.08 | vanRijn | aseigo: hey, I wanted to comment on your blog the other day, but it's only open to others who have an account on blogger.com. Any chance of loosening that up? |
| 18:23.22 | vanRijn | (that's question #1--I do have another one after that =:) ) |
| 18:23.30 | aseigo | vanRijn: only if i can get the porn spammers to stop spamming the comments on my blog ;) |
| 18:23.46 | aseigo | vanRijn: i do wish blogger.com would put one of those image thingies you have to read and enter for the comments |
| 18:23.55 | vanRijn | o, you can't do that? |
| 18:23.58 | aseigo | ... or that i had the boundless time to set up a blog of my own |
| 18:24.19 | vanRijn | I use wordpress and hash-cash (iirc) works wonders--it's a javascript-based solution--very non-intrusive, and it hasn't let ANY spam through |
| 18:24.23 | vanRijn | heh |
| 18:24.30 | vanRijn | k, well, my real question... |
| 18:25.18 | vanRijn | your blog: kolab2! open source q/a?... how did you get that uber-friendly management page for kolab2? I installed kolab2 the other day and the interface is just plain fugly. |
| 18:25.27 | vanRijn | i.e. the crystal icons, etc. |
| 18:25.51 | lauri | aseigo: s9y does that out of the box, you can even set it on a timed basis (posts today, nothing, posts 3 days old comments need to type the captcha, posts a week or more old, comments need to type the captcha and you approve 'em) |
| 18:26.00 | aseigo | vanRijn: heh.. yeah, that's a modification i've made. when i find the time i'll package it up and provide it as a patch to the current web admin |
| 18:26.07 | aseigo | s9y? |
| 18:26.22 | vanRijn | aseigo: DEFINITELY. |
| 18:26.24 | lauri | and takes about 45 seconds to set up, assuming you have a database handy (and the main reason I like it, they'd patched the xml-rpc thing before it hit splashwobble) |
| 18:26.37 | aseigo | vanRijn: it does make a difference, doesn't it? |
| 18:26.41 | lauri | aseigo: serendipity (what I use, what dirk uses, a few people on planetkde.org do) |
| 18:27.16 | vanRijn | aseigo: well, the difference it makes is that if it remains as ugly as it is by default, nobody in my company will even think of using it. if it looked the way you made it, it might be considered as a "real" possibility. |
| 18:27.31 | aseigo | lauri: hum ... ok ... i'll look into it |
| 18:27.37 | aseigo | vanRijn: yes. agreed. |
| 18:27.37 | vanRijn | aseigo: so, yeah. I would consider your enhancement a non-optional need. =:) |
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| 18:30.36 | lauri | I think I will do that on my laptop, and shut down updates on this one until it like, works |
| 18:30.51 | lauri | because I just know I'm gonna have a mountain of build fixes to do first :) |
| 18:36.06 | gmg9 | how do add more sites in preferences > Backgrounds > Get new wallpappers, has only one (kde-look.org) |
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| 18:37.31 | dyllan | lauri, thanks a million, kiosktool did the job :) |
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| 18:40.48 | ponto | Hi, it is possible to move kicker to another display location by drag and drop. Is it also possible to disable this annoying feature? |
| 18:42.57 | aseigo | ponto: if you lock down the panels using kiosk, yes. in 3.5 there's an entry in the right click menu |
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| 18:44.00 | ponto | aseigo: ok, then i wait for 3.5 |
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| 18:51.41 | Roey | heh |
| 18:51.43 | Roey | administrateur |
| 18:51.46 | Roey | that's like |
| 18:51.49 | Roey | "network janiteur" |
| 18:52.38 | vanRijn | heh |
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| 18:53.44 | eg3 | hi, someone uses here the bagira style? |
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| 18:55.06 | vanRijn | eg3: I have |
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| 18:55.28 | zr` | hello, where can I find the audiocd kio-slave, in the gentoo distribution? |
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| 18:56.26 | eg3 | vanRijn, if you open a konqueror filebrowser window, are the file icons right placed? here they are a little bit to high, and if i switch to list view the column headers are so high placed that i cant read them |
| 18:57.07 | eg3 | do you have the same behavior? |
| 18:57.17 | vanRijn | eg3: sorry, I have in the past, but now use something else. |
| 18:57.37 | eg3 | oh, ok |
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| 18:57.49 | gmg9 | how do i change the k-menu icon |
| 18:58.41 | mani74 | is there a way to tell kmail-1.8.1 (kde-3.4.1) to tell once and forever NOT to use kwallet? |
| 19:00.09 | apokryphos | mani74: you can turn off kwallet from kcontrol |
| 19:00.29 | apokryphos | gmg9: check out the FAQ |
| 19:00.56 | gmg9 | i dont find it in FAQ |
| 19:01.40 | zr` | np, it was kde-base/kdemultimedia-kioslaves |
| 19:01.57 | apokryphos | gmg9: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2567213 |
| 19:03.57 | gmg9 | checking..... |
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| 19:05.35 | gmg9 | apokryphos: thanks |
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| 19:10.25 | c-101 | Hi there |
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| 19:16.56 | LabThug | anyone in here do development on kopete? |
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| 19:18.07 | eg3 | LabThug, perhabs on #kde-devel |
| 19:18.08 | mani74 | apokryphos: I don't have kcontrol, is there another way? |
| 19:18.13 | LabThug | eg3: thanks |
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| 19:18.59 | GentooBloke | hi all, does anyone know how to enable num lock by default in KDE please? |
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| 19:20.52 | tbscope | GentooBloke, check out KControl -> Peripherals -> Keyboard |
| 19:21.04 | dyllan | whats the latest kiosktool ver. out? :) |
| 19:21.07 | tbscope | there's an option to turn on numlock at KDE startup |
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| 19:22.39 | apokryphos | mani74: just hwo did you manage to not have kcontrol? |
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| 19:23.12 | johnflux | hey all |
| 19:23.20 | johnflux | what can I use to record from my microphone? |
| 19:23.40 | Roey | johnflux: your voice? |
| 19:23.46 | johnflux | exactly |
| 19:23.47 | mani74 | apokryphos: the gentoo way ;-) emerge kmail knode kdissert and it pulled the necessary libs and that's it... I don't use KDE as a WM |
| 19:23.56 | Roey | johnflux: :) |
| 19:24.18 | ConneXion | hey I just had a brain fart... where are the settings for KDM (themes and such) ? |
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| 19:24.38 | lauri | kcontrol -> system administration -> login manager |
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| 19:24.51 | apokryphos | mani74: are you low on space? Why not have the whole of KDE? ;-) I don't know of a way, nope; you can't really expect to really alter your KDE without kcontrol |
| 19:24.58 | lauri | apokryphos: don't bother |
| 19:25.21 | lauri | just send people to #gentoo for the support they should be getting there, we can't fix every broken install problem |
| 19:25.40 | lauri | missing vital parts of the software is a packaging issue |
| 19:25.51 | apokryphos | Yeah, I agree. |
| 19:25.52 | mani74 | apokryphos: I'm not low on space but I don't want to have to upgrade entire kde only to get the latest versions of kmail/knode (other apps i'm not using) |
| 19:26.18 | mani74 | lauri: I guess this is not a broken install... I just asked how to disable kwallet and got the answer |
| 19:26.20 | lauri | and I don't appreciate #kde becoming "#packaging-issues-that-most-of-us-dont-have instead |
| 19:26.21 | ConneXion | hermmm....where is the option to install a kdm theme? |
| 19:26.51 | mani74 | lauri: and so I asked if there was another way and have been told that no, that without kcontrol I won't be able to change my kde |
| 19:27.00 | apokryphos | ConneXion: I don't think you can do it from there; you have to put it somewhere and then get kdmrc to point to it |
| 19:27.10 | lauri | mani74: it is a broken install, if you have can't run the software as designed - we produce a desktop environment, not a bunch of random software (and we do happen to include a window manager with that environment, but KDE is not one) |
| 19:27.12 | ConneXion | damn... that's what I was afraid of heh |
| 19:27.15 | mani74 | so either I'm merging kcontrol (if I want to disable kwallet) or I live with the fact that kwallet is active |
| 19:27.34 | apokryphos | mani74: correct |
| 19:27.47 | apokryphos | or (iii) do a proper/full KDE install :P |
| 19:28.38 | lauri | at *least* of kdebase (what we call kdebase, not what gentoo calls kde-base, which is apparently 384 randomly selected bits including half the games, but not, apparently, the useful bits of kdebase, which would enable you to get stuff done) |
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| 19:29.30 | mani74 | apokryphos: that's what I had before the split ebuilds but I really prefer only to have installed what I need on this quite slow machine. but never mind, it's fine with me. thanks for your help |
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| 19:31.34 | gmg9 | what is kiosktool? is "kiosk Admin tool" and "kiosktool" same ?? |
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| 19:35.01 | benihana | hi everyone, is it ok to ask a question right now? |
| 19:35.20 | dyllan | sure |
| 19:35.47 | gmg9 | is there anything like knetscan or somthing beter than that |
| 19:35.50 | gmg9 | cause knetscan last modified in 2002 |
| 19:35.54 | dyllan | gmg9, they are the same thing. Its an KDE application to manage the layout and permissions of many users desktops from one easy tool :> |
| 19:36.19 | benihana | i installed VidaLinux, which comes with Gnome, then emerged KDE and now I boot into it, but now it doesnt recognize my su password |
| 19:36.30 | benihana | Is there something I missed when switching to KDE? |
| 19:36.56 | benihana | (running 3.4.1 incidentially) |
| 19:37.07 | lauri | I can't imagine anything, have you asked VidaLinux for help? |
| 19:37.23 | benihana | not yet |
| 19:37.37 | benihana | I figured it was a KDE issue since my su worked fine under Gnome |
| 19:37.50 | benihana | is there a way to reset su? |
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| 19:39.19 | lauri | su has nothing to do with anything to do with X |
| 19:39.41 | benihana | ah |
| 19:39.42 | benihana | hrm |
| 19:39.43 | lauri | are you talking about in a terminal, typing 'su -' and it asks you for a password? |
| 19:40.11 | benihana | any sort of admin...i created a user to operate normally as recommended by many sources |
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| 19:40.16 | lauri | or are you talking about kdesu (ie, picking Superuser File Manager or something from the menu) |
| 19:40.18 | benihana | so I wouldn't mess things up |
| 19:40.31 | lauri | yes, so which is it that you are doing and it's failing? |
| 19:40.42 | benihana | Anytime it asks me for admin, su, root, or anything like that it tells me my password is incorrect |
| 19:40.51 | benihana | for example |
| 19:40.55 | lauri | anytime *what* asks you? |
| 19:40.57 | benihana | yes 'su -" |
| 19:41.03 | benihana | or control center |
| 19:41.05 | lauri | ok, that is not a KDE error then |
| 19:41.08 | benihana | ok |
| 19:41.09 | benihana | dang |
| 19:41.25 | macavity | try alt-ctrl-F2 |
| 19:41.31 | macavity | and log in as root |
| 19:41.46 | macavity | alt-F7 gets you back |
| 19:42.04 | macavity | (lets hope i saw the later) |
| 19:42.04 | lauri | if that worked, and kdesu did not, then there is a fix (kcheckpass must be suid root, and you might need pam definitions in your pam configuration, some distributions don't do the former, and the latter should be handled for you, but if it's not, you would need to ask your distribution support) |
| 19:42.25 | lauri | but if su in a terminal doesn't work, it's not a KDE issue at all |
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| 19:42.42 | lauri | alft-f7 would just get me another console macavity |
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| 19:43.07 | lauri | (and on most distributions) - it's as often f8 or f9 |
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| 19:43.37 | macavity | oh well.. im so used to slackware.. |
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| 19:45.33 | derkling | Hi *! |
| 19:46.00 | macavity | hello derkling :) |
| 19:46.02 | piggz | lo....does anyone use kmail to download messages from gmail? it just seems to do nothing when i try |
| 19:46.04 | derkling | simple quesiton: is it possible to use enlightenment instead of kwin?... and if yes: how? |
| 19:46.37 | piggz | it stays stuck at 'preparing transmission from gmail' |
| 19:46.49 | lauri | setenv KDEWM enlightenment-binary-name; startx |
| 19:47.00 | derkling | wowwwww.... really so simple?!? |
| 19:47.20 | derkling | hey: where can I find docs about that var?! |
| 19:47.56 | lauri | http://docs.kde.org/cgi-bin/desktopdig/search.cgi?show=stable/en/kdebase/userguide/kde-startup-sequence.html&collection=en&include=stable&q=KDEWM |
| 19:48.12 | derkling | good... |
| 19:48.13 | lauri | or http://docs.kde.org/cgi-bin/desktopdig/search.cgi?show=stable/en/kdebase/userguide/environment-variables.html&collection=en&include=stable&q=KDEWM |
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| 19:48.49 | derkling | last dubt: do you think that E7 OpenGL support is better that those of KWIN?!? |
| 19:48.58 | macavity | wow lauri... you really know your way around the documentation :-) |
| 19:49.15 | lauri | I went to docs.kde.org |
| 19:49.19 | lauri | and typed KDEWM into the search engine box |
| 19:49.39 | macavity | derkling: what exactly do you mean? |
| 19:49.49 | derkling | e.g. I'm unable to use (working) COMPOSITE extensions on KDE (with KWIN)... the windows re-design fails 9 times over 10! :-( |
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| 19:50.00 | vanRijn | re, aseigo |
| 19:50.01 | macavity | derkling: thats the fault of x.org |
| 19:50.06 | derkling | mmm |
| 19:50.14 | derkling | in XFCE it work well!!! |
| 19:50.27 | derkling | in KDE... if I resize a windows... it fail... |
| 19:50.42 | derkling | mmmm :'-( |
| 19:51.20 | derkling | i love KDE... but I would try another WM... and I've read great thing about E7 |
| 19:51.21 | gmg9 | is there anything like knetscan or somthing beter than that |
| 19:51.47 | lauri | derkling: that is nothing to do with opengl |
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| 19:51.58 | macavity | are you sure XFCE actually uses it?.. as opposed to some homebrew routine? |
| 19:51.58 | derkling | no?! |
| 19:52.42 | derkling | yeah... it use it... tre console overlapping with full transpoarency: it's only a COMPOSITE ext feature ;-) |
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| 19:53.23 | macavity | i can do that in software without noticable slowdown... |
| 19:53.58 | derkling | lauri, well... but I've read that E7 is trying to provide OpenGL rendering to all windows managed... |
| 19:54.10 | derkling | it sound delicious! ;-) |
| 19:54.22 | derkling | ... and a littel bit Mac oriented.... |
| 19:55.38 | derkling | lauri, do you know about composition sopport problems like mine? |
| 19:56.01 | lauri | there is a faq about it :) |
| 19:56.10 | derkling | where? |
| 19:56.11 | macavity | yes.. it is still labeled *experimental* by x.org |
| 19:56.14 | derkling | :-) |
| 19:56.16 | lauri | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kompmgr/index.html |
| 19:56.24 | derkling | wawooo... |
| 19:56.29 | derkling | I'm going to read... |
| 19:58.27 | benihana | macavity & lauri: thanks for the help - i didn't notice how to exit so i had to mess around, kept trying to find a command :P |
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| 19:59.03 | derkling | welll... I'm trying to use composite extensions at 1600x1400.... may bet this is the problem? :-( |
| 19:59.04 | aseigo | vanRijn: hey =) |
| 19:59.12 | derkling | suck! :'-( |
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| 19:59.15 | benihana | unfortenately it didn't work there therefore I need to figure out what happened between installing KDE when it worked and running KDE now that it doesnt |
| 19:59.50 | Kingmilo | does kdmrc contain the splash screen settings? :)) |
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| 20:00.53 | lauri | the KDE splash screen? |
| 20:00.54 | lauri | no |
| 20:01.05 | lauri | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/ksplashml/index.html |
| 20:01.29 | Kingmilo | thanks. im looking to disable the splash screen for all users. |
| 20:01.35 | derkling | ok guys... see you again! ;-) |
| 20:01.45 | derkling | tks for the help! ;-) |
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| 20:58.30 | ozguru | can i change all directory or file icons as easily as rox |
| 20:58.44 | ozguru | rox file manager |
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| 21:00.31 | Venson | ozguru: i can only tell you that it is easy |
| 21:01.52 | ozguru | Venson: yes |
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| 21:05.22 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 21:05.31 | ozguru | yo |
| 21:06.04 | macavity | yello :) |
| 21:06.17 | Hhhhh | I have a question: I've been trying to change the items in my K menu with kmenuedit, but for some reason even though I saved the changes and I logged off and logged back in, the changes I make dissapear. Any ideas? |
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| 21:07.08 | macavity | oh.. ive heard about this one.. lemme think and google a little |
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| 21:11.31 | *** topic/#kde is KDE 3.4.1 released | LJ Reader's Choice Awards: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8272 | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ - The answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Preview features guide here: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/svn-features/14-07-05.html |
| 21:11.42 | Hhhhh | 3.4.1 |
| 21:12.38 | macavity | this beats me.. i cant seem to find anything on it.. and the last time i had that problem was in 3.0 iirc |
| 21:13.41 | PhilRod | Hhhhh: does ~/.config exist, and do you have write permissions to it? |
| 21:14.28 | Frost^ | hello |
| 21:14.47 | Frost^ | in kde 3.4.1, is it possible to change konqueror's default browser identification? |
| 21:15.05 | PhilRod | yes - settings -> configure konqueror -> user agent |
| 21:15.15 | PhilRod | or browser identification - can't remember offhand |
| 21:15.30 | Hhhhh | PhilRod: yes, ~/.config exists |
| 21:15.37 | Hhhhh | I have write privileges |
| 21:15.58 | Hhhhh | and also to ~/.config/menus |
| 21:15.59 | Frost^ | PhilRod, perhaps browser identification, but it only works for specific websites |
| 21:16.15 | Frost^ | rather than global |
| 21:16.18 | Hhhhh | and to ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.desktop |
| 21:18.22 | Tjozan | how do i tell configure to not use "-fvisibility=hidden" ?? |
| 21:19.45 | PhilRod | Hhhhh: is it really .desktop? I have .menu here |
| 21:20.06 | Hhhhh | erm, .menu, yea |
| 21:20.30 | Hhhhh | the changes I did seem to be reflected in that file, but for some reason they don't propagate into the menu |
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| 21:25.03 | Julianyus | hi |
| 21:25.44 | johnny69 | I've got a Panasonic palmcorder. Unfortunately, it does NOT use a USB to transfer the pictures from it. (it does video and still pictures both) It actually makes use of the comport to do this. Is there ANY program I could use under Kde that would make use of this camera? (panasonic themselves makes NOTHING for linux that I could find) Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 21:26.35 | jpa- | digikam might do it |
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| 21:26.52 | johnny69 | jpa-: I'll look again, but I saw no reference to it before. |
| 21:27.51 | ozguru | is here any baghira user available? |
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| 21:28.36 | Venson | ozguru: you're not supposed to perform experiments on humans..... |
| 21:28.55 | ozguru | Venson: sorry? |
| 21:29.06 | Venson | lol....nevermind |
| 21:29.18 | ozguru | Venson: yes yes. lol |
| 21:29.24 | anisX | long time no see..where hv u been ? |
| 21:29.34 | ozguru | my poor english |
| 21:29.36 | Venson | anisX: visiting Earth for a while....you? |
| 21:29.44 | johnny69 | jpa-: I see it mentions something about, "Serial port" cameras...perhaps I can pull this off, not sure. But thanks for pointing it out. I was initially thinking digicam only did USB cameras in general. |
| 21:29.50 | ozguru | i just want to ask how to enable ALI |
| 21:30.11 | anisX | Venson : im always here :p |
| 21:30.35 | Venson | anisX: good stuff |
| 21:31.08 | jpa- | johnny69: it does anything gphoto2 does i think |
| 21:32.52 | johnny69 | jpa-: In the setup, it's asking for "camera port path". Gives me ttySo ttyso1....etc. How can I verify which one is actually in use? What should I choose ? |
| 21:33.51 | jpa- | ttyS0 is COM1 and so on |
| 21:33.53 | supernix | is there a KDE dns server ? |
| 21:34.02 | johnny69 | hmmm |
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| 21:34.24 | johnny69 | So how do I verify which com port is actually in use? |
| 21:34.40 | jpa- | where does the cable go? :) |
| 21:35.36 | johnny69 | com ports are assigned as needed...irq's in use at time, etc. Where the cable goes doesn't dictate what "port/irq" is assigned to it. |
| 21:35.54 | johnny69 | I wonder if Kde has anything in control for it |
| 21:35.58 | ozguru | is there any easy way to change icons by one by |
| 21:36.02 | johnny69 | It's obviously 1 through 4. |
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| 21:37.10 | zubov | <johnny69> com ports are assigned as needed...irq's in use at time, etc. Where the cable goes doesn't dictate what "port/irq" is assigned to it. <-- what kind of crazy pc do you have? pnp com ports? never heard of those actually functioning properly... set em in your bios, removes the guessing game |
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| 21:41.18 | johnny69 | zubov: yeah....alrrigghtty then |
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| 21:56.06 | ozguru | can i change height of loacation bar |
| 21:56.08 | zz | is there a way to get rid of log at bottom of login? |
| 21:57.48 | zz | is it in a file or can i do it from control panel? |
| 21:57.53 | PhilRod | ozguru: change font size |
| 21:58.14 | grepper | zz: not sure what log or login you mean |
| 21:58.23 | zz | kdm |
| 21:58.40 | zz | mine has verbose info under there |
| 21:59.52 | grepper | xconsole ? |
| 22:00.11 | ozguru | PhilRod: ok |
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| 22:03.48 | zz | its output from somin |
| 22:05.45 | nutshell42 | how are the entries of the context menus determined? The "actions" entry for rars and zips vanished suddenly and I'd like to know which configuration file or which libs respectively are responsibly for this, thx =) |
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| 22:21.57 | redeeman | hello |
| 22:22.04 | redeeman | i have a projet with kde remote desktop on my laptop |
| 22:22.24 | redeeman | ever since i got it, and installed kde (3.4.0 at the time) it didnt work |
| 22:22.27 | redeeman | i have kde 3.4.1 now |
| 22:22.41 | redeeman | the thing that happens is that when i have typed in password, it just doesent do anything |
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| 22:23.05 | redeeman | on my laptop it shows the remote desktop icon in the systray, but grey, like disconnected |
| 22:23.28 | redeeman | and on the client (my workstation, where it works) it shows the connection dialog with a progress thing which is at 0% |
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| 22:26.03 | nutshell42 | redeeman: I've never used krfb but you could try to allow all connections (i.e. without invitations) and specify a port |
| 22:26.16 | Blissex | redeeman: you are giving too few details. But it is a bit surprising. You may have an excessively tight firewall. |
| 22:26.20 | redeeman | rutski89: i already do |
| 22:26.28 | redeeman | Blissex: no firewall |
| 22:26.34 | redeeman | Blissex: its on my lan |
| 22:26.55 | rutski89 | redeeman: ?? |
| 22:26.58 | Blissex | redeeman: then look at the systems logs on both machines... |
| 22:27.07 | redeeman | i already allow uninvited connections, and it obviously works since the laptop shows the icon, and it asks for password |
| 22:27.27 | redeeman | Blissex: okay, but are you sure it says anything in the system log? |
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| 22:27.55 | CapNemo | hello :) is there a way to tweak the network settings of konqueror to slow it down a bit ? |
| 22:27.59 | Blissex | redeeman: no, but if it is a network/firewall problem (most likely) there will be some telltale entries. |
| 22:28.20 | Blissex | redeeman: and it could still be a firewall problem... |
| 22:28.20 | redeeman | ALL ports are open on the lan |
| 22:28.26 | redeeman | i dont run iptables on either machine |
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| 22:28.30 | redeeman | nothing in system log |
| 22:28.31 | nutshell42 | try rdp instead of vnc, try vnc with external programs, try ssh tunneling and pure X11 |
| 22:28.42 | Blissex | CapNemo: slow what? |
| 22:28.47 | nutshell42 | and make sure you really don't run iptables |
| 22:28.54 | redeeman | nutshell42: does kde support rdp connections?! |
| 22:29.01 | redeeman | nutshell42: i dont even have netfilter in my kernels |
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| 22:29.47 | CapNemo | Blissex: when i go to my website with konqueror, it goes too fast for the webserver and then i have several images not displayed !! in firefox its perfect |
| 22:30.01 | nutshell42 | I don't know, ais, I've never actually used krfb, I'm just listing some things you could try |
| 22:30.27 | Blissex | CapNemo: thats extremely unlikely. Try to describe what happens more precisely. Also perhaps if possible give a URL to your site. |
| 22:30.40 | nutshell42 | and while I sometimes had iptables running without being actually aware that it ran not having the kernel support makes that pretty unlikely, true |
| 22:30.41 | CapNemo | Blissex: for example go with konqueror to this page : http://www.nemoworld.info/drupal/?q=image/tid/10 ... can you see all the thumbnails ? |
| 22:30.43 | nutshell42 | =) |
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| 22:31.25 | Blissex | CapNemo: curiously, no, but let me have a look. |
| 22:31.39 | CapNemo | Blissex: yup |
| 22:31.50 | redeeman | nutshell42: well.. kde uses vnc for the server, so i cant use rdp, and i tried vnc with an vnccliient not being kde, didnt work, and yes, i can forward X11 with ssh |
| 22:32.10 | redeeman | i tried removing all krfb config files on my laptop, and setting up exactly as my workstation, it did not work |
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| 22:33.19 | Blissex | CapNemo: it is something else in your setup... Try to look just at http://www.nemoworld.info/drupal/?q=system/files&file=images/47600013.thumbnail.JPG |
| 22:33.20 | redeeman | gonna emerge strace now |
| 22:33.23 | nutshell42 | have you tried vnc completely independant of kde? |
| 22:33.36 | nutshell42 | strace's a good idea |
| 22:33.45 | redeeman | nutshell42: i dont have a vnc server on my laptop, but im confident that its the vnc server inside kde thats doing this thing |
| 22:34.04 | redeeman | or perhaps because the laptop has ati gfx |
| 22:34.12 | CapNemo | Blissex: yup at this address i can see the image, but i know that sometimes no ..\ |
| 22:34.30 | nutshell42 | I don't think it's a problem with ati |
| 22:34.32 | Blissex | redeeman: you are doing something strange here... «i can forward X11 with ssh», because on your LAN you don't need SSH to access X remotely. |
| 22:34.47 | Blissex | CapNemo: if I reload it show it. |
| 22:35.00 | Blissex | CapNemo: have a look at the logs of your HTTP server to see which errors it gives. |
| 22:35.16 | redeeman | Blissex: i do, else i need to allow my laptop to connect to my X server |
| 22:35.17 | redeeman | which i dont |
| 22:35.21 | nutshell42 | and you're right that it's likely a problem with the built-in server of kde but perhaps not |
| 22:36.04 | nutshell42 | but strace should be more helpful (if you can strace this problem, I don't know whether the vnc server is started by krfb or by kdeinit at the kde startup) |
| 22:36.30 | redeeman | omg |
| 22:36.36 | redeeman | it works if i attach strace to krfb |
| 22:36.39 | redeeman | but only if i do that |
| 22:36.48 | redeeman | thats not really good for the bug finding effort |
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| 22:37.11 | redeeman | but DAMn it runs slow |
| 22:37.14 | nutshell42 | try a different user |
| 22:37.18 | redeeman | much slower than if it were over the internet |
| 22:37.25 | nutshell42 | that's strace at work |
| 22:37.26 | CapNemo | Blissex: yes but i have no access to those logs .. its an ovh server |
| 22:37.27 | nutshell42 | most likely |
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| 22:37.36 | [jchoisy] | Hello people! |
| 22:37.42 | illogic-al | yo yo yo homey! |
| 22:37.47 | redeeman | nope, i just detached strace |
| 22:37.57 | redeeman | X uses 100% cpu |
| 22:38.09 | redeeman | there is a problem with krfb |
| 22:38.49 | redeeman | LOl |
| 22:38.54 | redeeman | this is redicoules |
| 22:39.07 | redeeman | if i initiate a remote connection, it just freezes after i type password |
| 22:39.21 | redeeman | but the second i attach strace it opens the window and it works, even if i then stop strace |
| 22:39.36 | nutshell42 | try a new user with a fresh kde configuration on both systems |
| 22:39.47 | nutshell42 | doesn't explain the strace effect |
| 22:39.54 | nutshell42 | but sometimes helps nevertheless |
| 22:39.56 | redeeman | i only need to try a new user on my laptop, my workstation appears to work |
| 22:40.25 | nutshell42 | you could sell your strace to admins around the world, I smell a vast untapped market =) |
| 22:40.32 | Blissex | CapNemo: here it seems to work better if the URL begins with 'http://www.nemoworld.info/drupal/index.html' instead of just 'http://www.nemoworld.info/drupal/' |
| 22:40.35 | nutshell42 | at least if it works with other progs too |
| 22:41.28 | redeeman | i dont like the fact that it doesent wanna be spied upon |
| 22:48.05 | slubman | Is ther a way to tranfer my mails from mozilla -mail to kmail ? |
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| 22:49.10 | illogic-al | slubman: yes. Tools -> Import |
| 22:50.39 | slubman | illogic-al> I use the thunderbird tool ? |
| 22:50.53 | illogic-al | aye |
| 22:51.15 | slubman | aye = yes ? |
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| 22:51.54 | GutterPunk | Hi, I've got the default X screensavers (emerged them just now) but I'm wondering why they are not appearing in the control center? |
| 22:52.05 | illogic-al | slubman: aye :-) |
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| 22:56.37 | ozguru | hi |
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| 22:58.35 | ozguru | where is kget icon.? |
| 22:58.43 | ozguru | i want to change iy |
| 22:58.56 | ozguru | find / -name kget = no result |
| 22:59.00 | grepper | oops, searchbar is borked in HEAD |
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| 23:02.24 | gregday | why does konqueror still use a hideous old widget style for the animated logo? |
| 23:03.50 | reuben_ | george |
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| 23:07.55 | vortik | hello :) Anyone using KDE on FC4 Linux? |
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| 23:17.49 | zz | when i log in my resolution isnt what i want it to be |
| 23:17.57 | zz | how do i change this |
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| 23:25.16 | parph | Hello I have a very strange problem with kde. I was in windows, and rebooted to linux, but my user account did not load to kde. I saw the nvidia splash screen, and nothing happens. It stays in the graphical login screen. I can get in as root but not user |
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| 23:26.18 | parph | I logged into kde from failsafe too, and I get all these errors, but the desktop loads normally, exept for the failsafe console |
| 23:26.27 | Venson | parph: what errors? |
| 23:26.36 | Venson | someone pwned your puter or something? |
| 23:26.39 | parph | venson, can I paste them to you? |
| 23:27.03 | parph | Venson, I have no idea, I was in windows, all I did was reboot and it gave me this weirdness |
| 23:27.10 | parph | can I paste the error in here? |
| 23:27.12 | Venson | parph: pastebin.com |
| 23:27.20 | parph | ok |
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| 23:27.42 | parph | sec, I must log into irc with my user account to past the errors |
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| 23:29.28 | parph_ | http://pastebin.com/318182 |
| 23:30.31 | Venson | parph_: what distro are you on? and did you make any changes lately? Did you import your kde configs from another distro? |
| 23:31.01 | parph_ | I'm on suse 9.3 I made zero changes that I am aware of, i was in linux just half an hour ago playing a game |
| 23:31.04 | parph_ | it's suse 9.3 |
| 23:31.09 | parph_ | kde 3.4.1 |
| 23:31.28 | parph_ | I didn't import anything, actually I did a fresh install a few days ago |
| 23:31.48 | vortik | anyone using KDE on Fedora having font issues? My fonts are lined with a tinge of color and I am unfamiliar with KDE.. how can i go about tweaking fonts? |
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| 23:33.13 | benJIman | vortik: kcontrol -> appearnace and themes -> fonts, you probably want configure antialiasing and turn sub pixel hinting off |
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| 23:33.41 | parph_ | this is an odd problem |
| 23:33.43 | Venson | parph: log off kde into cmdline , try moving ~/.kde to ~/.kde-backup......then start kde |
| 23:33.45 | vortik | benJIman: you rock... thanks. |
| 23:34.33 | parph_ | ok |
| 23:34.39 | parph_ | I will try |
| 23:34.40 | parph_ | brb |
| 23:35.54 | ScH[Dodo] | ++ |
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| 23:37.27 | parph | do I do mv ~/.kde or mv /home/parph~/kde ? |
| 23:38.05 | aseigo | parph: what does you .Xession-errors say? |
| 23:38.39 | parph | http://pastebin.com/318182 |
| 23:39.50 | canllaith | parph: I would try removing anything with your username on it in /tmp |
| 23:39.58 | canllaith | an removing the symlinks that are in ~/.kde |
| 23:40.29 | canllaith | so ditch /tmp/ksocket-$USER /tmp/mcop-$USER /tmp/kde-$USER |
| 23:41.05 | parph | i tried moving kde to kde backup but user still can't log on |
| 23:41.08 | canllaith | and .kde/cache-$HOSTNAME and .kde/socket-$HOSTNAME and .kde/tmp-$HOSTNAME |
| 23:41.19 | canllaith | That doesn't remove the files in tmp, try that please. |
| 23:41.25 | parph | k |
| 23:41.41 | parph | I must pring these commands |
| 23:41.59 | parph | printy |
| 23:42.01 | parph | print |
| 23:42.03 | nambuls | i've got an error with kmail, when trying to retrieve my mail on a pop3 server, iv" got the following error: "Could not start process pop3", what is this ? |
| 23:42.05 | canllaith | oops, I made a slight error |
| 23:42.15 | parph | oh |
| 23:42.17 | canllaith | in ~/.kde you want to get rid of .kde/socket-$HOST and not $HOSTNAME :) |
| 23:42.29 | canllaith | Just look anyway, you'll see files called cache-something socket-something tmp-something |
| 23:42.55 | parph | can I delete them while i'm logged into kde in root? |
| 23:43.00 | canllaith | Yes |
| 23:43.06 | canllaith | just cd /home/parph/.kde |
| 23:43.14 | canllaith | then delete them. |
| 23:44.04 | parph | no such file or directory |
| 23:44.28 | canllaith | ok so it cleaned up the symlinks then I guess. Take a look at /tmp |
| 23:44.39 | canllaith | delete everything that has 'parph' in the name |
| 23:44.46 | parph | ok |
| 23:44.49 | parph | I see some things |
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| 23:45.25 | parph | why did all this happen? |
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| 23:45.46 | canllaith | Well, I'm not sure yet. Perhaps /tmp and sockets weren't cleaned when you shut down and now they're stale and causing problems |
| 23:45.50 | parph | could I have been attacked by a haker or something |
| 23:45.52 | canllaith | Perhaps there is a permissions problem |
| 23:46.04 | parph | hacker |
| 23:46.11 | canllaith | I think it's very very unlikely. It's more likely your KDE session didn't end cleanly by something crashing, and now you have some stray files in the way. |
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| 23:46.22 | parph | All I did literally was exit my game, reboot to windows, then reboot again into linux |
| 23:46.49 | canllaith | Try logging back in as your user once you've removed the tmp files. You can do this without having to log out as root if you want |
| 23:47.04 | parph | yeah gonna try as soon as I make sure nothing is left |
| 23:47.17 | canllaith | Use the keys ctrl + alt + f2 to take you to another text login prompt and login as your parph user from there. Then type startx -- :2 to start a second graphical login as that user |
| 23:47.24 | parph | yeah I know |
| 23:47.26 | canllaith | Then you can stay in IRC and don't have to log out as root :) |
| 23:47.35 | canllaith | ok lol just checking |
| 23:47.41 | parph | sec, gonna give my user account a try\ |
| 23:47.48 | slubman | nobody for help me ? |
| 23:48.08 | parph | it still doesn't work |
| 23:48.16 | parph | it dies right away |
| 23:48.28 | canllaith | slubman: you want to transfer your mails? |
| 23:48.47 | canllaith | parph: any kind of error on the tty telling you why X bombed out? |
| 23:48.57 | parph | I didn't check on this yet /tmp/ksocket-$USER /tmp/mcop-$USER /tmp/kde-$USER |
| 23:49.03 | parph | do I do that? |
| 23:49.12 | canllaith | ah, ok. Yes please. Ditch all those directories if you can find them. |
| 23:49.46 | canllaith | slubman: Kmail has a wizard that lets you import mails from mozilla. Go to Tools -> Import Messages and then follow the instructions |
| 23:49.50 | slubman | canllaith> I want to get my mails from my server |
| 23:50.10 | slubman | canllaith> I've import the mails |
| 23:50.17 | slubman | now i've got an error with kmail, when trying to retrieve my mail on a pop3 server, iv" got the following error: "Could not start process pop3", what is this ? |
| 23:50.20 | canllaith | ah you want to set up the account to download new mails now? |
| 23:50.42 | slubman | i've setup the account |
| 23:51.04 | canllaith | bbs, gotta rip this hard disk out and put it in another computer |
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| 23:53.45 | parph_ | I get this error with my user account now |
| 23:53.45 | parph_ | http://pastebin.com/318189 |
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| 23:54.06 | slubman | when i try to send mail, kmail crash :S |
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| 23:55.08 | Venson | parph: looks the same to me.....are you sure you want to use a system that's been pwned once? |
| 23:55.29 | parph_ | what do you mean pwned |
| 23:57.08 | parph_ | you mean I am hacked? |
| 23:57.24 | Venson | parph: you said you were... |
| 23:57.34 | parph_ | I have no idea |
| 23:57.37 | HilBilly | he ASKED ... lil difference there |
| 23:57.37 | parph_ | I was speculating |
| 23:57.39 | Venson | :-S |
| 23:58.08 | parph_ | I suggested it because I couldn't think of a reason why this would happen |
| 23:58.13 | Venson | without a question mark, it's not a question to me =) |
| 23:58.23 | HilBilly | parph .. my solution would be to exit kde, rm -rf .kde and restart kde |
| 23:58.43 | parph_ | what does rm -rf .kde do? |
| 23:58.53 | benJIman | don't rm -rf |
| 23:59.00 | benJIman | mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebackup |
