| 00:00.16 | lauri | but when we do get code contributions or patches, they're often accompanied by "I hope this is ok, it's my first try" and corrections get a "oh thank you very much" |
| 00:01.27 | lauri | whereas I occasionally get docs with "here is my fabulous document about how to install KCornerCase on debian 3.1.7.a-beta (and it doesn't apply to anything else), so when can I have an svn account and a @kde.org email address?" |
| 00:01.41 | zmc | Geeze. |
| 00:01.42 | lauri | and it's all out war to get some people to accept even a grammar correction :) |
| 00:01.49 | aseigo | lauri: actually, tracey and i were talking about that the other day |
| 00:01.54 | aseigo | lauri: and how tech writing is just ballz |
| 00:02.00 | aseigo | lauri: esp for hardware. |
| 00:02.03 | texnofobix | lol |
| 00:02.13 | lauri | heh, so, can she come help me? |
| 00:02.16 | aseigo | lauri: oh. hey. guess what? she has an english degree and even trained for tech writing |
| 00:02.18 | zmc | Especially since there are a lot of grey lines in spelling and grammer.. people tend to get into fits. |
| 00:02.20 | lauri | pleeeeeeeeease (batting eyelids) |
| 00:02.40 | texnofobix | i hate writing reports |
| 00:02.42 | aseigo | lauri: i just need to get her using kde full time and then free up some of her time to do docu ;) |
| 00:02.49 | lauri | zmc: on top of the usual technical writing issues, we have to also cope with the masses of translators |
| 00:02.55 | texnofobix | especially when they want a certain number of pages |
| 00:03.03 | texnofobix | i'm one of those to the point writers |
| 00:03.20 | lauri | aseigo: seriously, we could really use her, and her inexperience with KDE is an advantage |
| 00:03.46 | aseigo | and you know .. i tol her i made a breakthrough in the design for plasma today and she said, "i can't wait to hear all about it tonight over dinner!" i just about fell over. |
| 00:03.52 | lauri | if she *wants* a nice job that fits her skills and experience perfectly right now, is simply filing bugs about which bits of the docs are most crappiest :) |
| 00:04.00 | aseigo | lol |
| 00:04.02 | texnofobix | was she joking aseigo ? |
| 00:04.21 | lauri | (it's sometihng I don't do efficiently - I start to go through a doc and compare to the GUI, and find errors, and get bogged down doing a rewrite |
| 00:04.28 | aseigo | texnofobix: no.. she's a tech ... linux / unix / windows sys admin with some software devel training even |
| 00:04.32 | aseigo | texnofobix: and ++smart |
| 00:04.42 | aseigo | texnofobix: it just keeps catching me off guard |
| 00:04.43 | lauri | so instead of spending an hour making a list, finding say 1o things to fix, and then spending 10 minutes to fix them all in a row |
| 00:04.50 | texnofobix | my finance is a Music Ed major :/ |
| 00:04.56 | texnofobix | she's not as much into computers as me |
| 00:05.01 | lauri | I end up spending an hour doing typically perfectionist rewrites to the first one, and not even getting to the other 9 :) |
| 00:05.14 | lauri | aseigo: it's fun though, right? |
| 00:05.21 | lauri | Matt's way smarter than I am |
| 00:05.29 | aseigo | lauri: oh, damn, it's the best |
| 00:05.36 | aseigo | lauri: btw, when do you arrive in malaga? |
| 00:05.42 | lauri | other than the being very blonde occasionally |
| 00:05.45 | texnofobix | i should get my finance to become an editor |
| 00:05.46 | lauri | but he's swedish |
| 00:05.49 | texnofobix | shes a good writer |
| 00:05.52 | lauri | aseigo: no idea if I'm even going right now |
| 00:06.07 | lauri | texnofobix: seriously, send her along |
| 00:06.21 | aseigo | lauri: you're kidding?! |
| 00:06.22 | texnofobix | that is if she has time :\ |
| 00:06.26 | lauri | and zmc I wasn't kidding about filing bugs, it may not be glamourous, and it may not be spanish, but it'd be *REALLY* appreciated |
| 00:06.44 | lauri | and it's something you can pick up and put down any time, there's no real commitment of time to it, so it's very convenient |
| 00:06.52 | texnofobix | true |
| 00:07.11 | texnofobix | i should do it too ... I emailed that address on the kde website and I never got a response |
| 00:07.12 | texnofobix | :/ |
| 00:07.53 | zmc | lauri: I run so much nonstandard stuff it's not funny I just recently migrated from LFS to gentoo. When something crashes or behaves unexpectedly I usually blame myself :) |
| 00:09.54 | texnofobix | hmm openoffice is slow :\ |
| 00:10.20 | zmc | texnofobix: Yes, it is. :) Is it slower than usual today? |
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| 00:10.30 | texnofobix | no |
| 00:10.33 | texnofobix | i hardly use it |
| 00:10.36 | zmc | :D |
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| 00:10.38 | Sgep | Hi all |
| 00:10.42 | Sgep | Hi MrRagga |
| 00:10.42 | zmc | Sgep: Hello. |
| 00:10.50 | texnofobix | kwrite needs more features :( |
| 00:10.59 | Sgep | If I write a DBUS program, would it work with DCOP? |
| 00:11.02 | texnofobix | err kword |
| 00:11.18 | zmc | texnofobix: I try to avoid it.. It brings my machine to it's knees and I avoid it unless there is nothing else. |
| 00:11.26 | texnofobix | yeah |
| 00:11.26 | MrRagga | hi, i just compiled an applet to dock at the taskbar, but i can't see it in the add panel -> add applet tree? it is installed in the kde base dir |
| 00:11.35 | texnofobix | it wont open up kword docs either |
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| 00:12.03 | texnofobix | ok i'm hungry |
| 00:12.04 | texnofobix | bbl |
| 00:12.13 | zmc | later.. |
| 00:12.50 | MrRagga | do i have to refresh the menu? |
| 00:13.16 | aseigo | MrRagga: no, it reads the entries every time that menu pops up |
| 00:13.17 | zmc | brb.. |
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| 00:13.36 | MrRagga | aseigo: so where can i look for errors |
| 00:13.44 | aseigo | MrRagga: are you sure it's an applet? what did you install exactly? |
| 00:13.50 | greeneg | texnofobix: try changing the memory setting in the settings for OOorg to 64 instead of 8 (if you have the RAM that is...) it makes OOorg much more responsive I've found |
| 00:13.51 | MrRagga | aseigo: how to figure out my kde base dir. i think this should be the problem |
| 00:14.00 | aseigo | MrRagga: kde-config --prefix |
| 00:14.05 | MrRagga | aseigo: http://www.ph-home.de/opensource/kde3/kwlaninfo/ |
| 00:14.31 | MrRagga | [root@Vigor13 kwlaninfo-0.9.4]# kde-config --prefix |
| 00:14.37 | MrRagga | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.44 | aseigo | yes, so it is an applet, ok.... |
| 00:14.50 | aseigo | and what did you pass to ./configure --prefix=? |
| 00:15.19 | MrRagga | aseigo: nothing and it is in /usr/local/kde/lib/libkwlaninfo.* now |
| 00:15.42 | aseigo | MrGrim: yes, so there is your problem... |
| 00:15.47 | aseigo | whenever you configure a kde app, do this: |
| 00:15.55 | aseigo | ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` |
| 00:16.07 | aseigo | anyways.. i have to jet... see ya peeps =) |
| 00:16.35 | texnofobix | greeneg: i got 512 in here so it should be able to take it |
| 00:16.38 | MrRagga | aseigo_afk: ok thx |
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| 00:17.35 | greeneg | texnofobix: same here and it makes OOorg much more bearable |
| 00:18.00 | Sgep | How do I use DCOP from DBUS? |
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| 00:19.06 | texnofobix | greeneg: where exactly is that setting ? |
| 00:19.12 | aseigo_afk | Sgep: *from* DBUS? you can't, really .. there is a DCOP bridge though so DCOP using apps can comm to the DBUS busses |
| 00:19.24 | aseigo_afk | Sgep: and you probably want #kde-devel really =) |
| 00:19.33 | greeneg | texnofobix: lemme get taht setting for you.... |
| 00:19.34 | Sgep | How do I use DCOP from Python? |
| 00:19.57 | texnofobix | thanks |
| 00:21.07 | aseigo_afk | Sgep: #kde-devel, and usingn the DCOP python bindings. |
| 00:22.25 | greeneg | texnofobix: uh, hold on a little bit, it seems my roommate uninstalled OOorg on me as a practical joke.... |
| 00:22.44 | greeneg | I just need to get it off the mandriva tree.... |
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| 00:23.04 | texnofobix | i found something under Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice.org -> Memory |
| 00:23.11 | texnofobix | and it talks aobut Graphics Cache |
| 00:23.16 | greeneg | yes taht is where it's at |
| 00:23.35 | texnofobix | ty :D |
| 00:23.46 | greeneg | np |
| 00:24.01 | texnofobix | i didnt want to use MS Word |
| 00:24.02 | texnofobix | :P |
| 00:24.39 | motoom | "Clippy" |
| 00:24.43 | zmc | AAH! |
| 00:24.49 | motoom | Clippy has been eliminated by microsoft. |
| 00:25.09 | texnofobix | anyone see Windows Really Good Edition |
| 00:25.16 | zmc | ? |
| 00:25.19 | motoom | Vista? It's full of DRM, and evil! |
| 00:25.20 | greeneg | I think I'll be changing his account from a poweruser in my PAM config to a user.... I'm not interested in seeing my roomie removing perl-qt sicne I need to complete PhoeNUX OS' installer..... |
| 00:25.21 | texnofobix | google for it |
| 00:25.43 | zmc | PhoeNUX? |
| 00:25.51 | greeneg | it's the distro I work for |
| 00:25.53 | motoom | It's flash |
| 00:25.59 | zmc | Cool. |
| 00:26.24 | texnofobix | hmm openoffice is not responding after I copied and pasted :/ |
| 00:26.36 | greeneg | that's not good.... |
| 00:26.58 | texnofobix | did that last night too after two sentences |
| 00:27.01 | zmc | greeneg: Is there a homepage? google turned up very little. |
| 00:27.21 | zmc | Nevermind. |
| 00:27.26 | zmc | Misspelled it. : |
| 00:27.34 | greeneg | we're still in internal alpha at present. |
| 00:27.38 | motoom | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/winrg.php |
| 00:27.52 | texnofobix | another distribution .. yay ! |
| 00:28.01 | texnofobix | oh well at least there is choice |
| 00:29.08 | zmc | LOL.. that is pretty awesome. |
| 00:29.52 | texnofobix | What Windows RG? |
| 00:30.13 | texnofobix | i wonder if the problem lies that I have both OOo 1.9 and 2.0suse |
| 00:30.22 | texnofobix | installed |
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| 00:31.26 | greeneg | zmc, once I get the installer finished, we'll be making the development open to the public, for now, since you have to manually install it, it's a little too much of a PTIA to work with unless you know how to get most of the subsystems configured correctly |
| 00:32.12 | greeneg | texnofobix: likely. I've seen some funny errors from mismatched libs with OO. |
| 00:32.32 | texnofobix | that's probably the case |
| 00:32.40 | texnofobix | 1.9 seems to be working ok |
| 00:33.02 | zmc | greeneg: I read somewhere it's apt based.. is there anything special about it? |
| 00:33.44 | texnofobix | suse can be apt based ;) |
| 00:34.05 | zmc | I suppose you could install apt on just about anything if you really wanted to. |
| 00:34.36 | texnofobix | yeah |
| 00:34.42 | texnofobix | slapt-get for slack |
| 00:35.01 | texnofobix | which is what my 486 notebook aka brick is doing |
| 00:35.30 | greeneg | zmc: yes, we're intending to be using APT even though apt ported by Conectiva for rpm is no longer maintained |
| 00:36.32 | greeneg | since Gustavo Neyemeir is working only on SMART Package Manager now |
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| 00:37.48 | Zxcvb | have there been any recent improvements to kpdf? |
| 00:40.01 | greeneg | as far as "anything special about it" we're aiming at making quality control a high priority while keeping as marginally recent as possible. |
| 00:40.28 | greeneg | too many distros I've used have not been QA'd for issues. |
| 00:40.55 | greeneg | SuSE is the only one I'd say is well tested as far as QA is concerned. |
| 00:41.18 | zmc | greeneg: Wow.. that sounds good. Alot of distros are all to keen to ship out beta software and then wonder why it's broken. |
| 00:41.23 | texnofobix | :D yay for SuSE |
| 00:41.32 | greeneg | however SuSE also has optmizations for KDE that are SLOWER than they need to be |
| 00:41.49 | texnofobix | which ones? |
| 00:41.55 | texnofobix | KDE runs great for me |
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| 00:43.00 | greeneg | their glibc and libstdc++ are not set up right from what I've found to generate snappy response times on almost all of the 30+ test boxes I've got here. |
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| 00:43.39 | greeneg | where as MDK has proper optimizations but shitty QA IMNSHO. |
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| 00:46.41 | greeneg | I'm very picky about shipping broken packages that if they were being tested in a commercial model would not make it past the first level of QA. |
| 00:47.20 | greeneg | if they don't "just work" the user gets annoyed and will wreck the distros reputation |
| 00:47.37 | greeneg | even if the user doesn' |
| 00:47.45 | greeneg | t mean to, |
| 00:48.37 | Zxcvb | are you refering to an actual MDK release? |
| 00:48.45 | greeneg | since they talk to their buddies and talk about issues that their computer has problems with and then their buddy won't want to try out XYZ distro. |
| 00:49.27 | greeneg | Zxcvb: I'm on Mandriva 2005 LE and I've noted a fair decent number of breakages out of the box |
| 00:49.44 | carmen | ive noticed some major breakage wth KDE, like not even being able to grab the source code |
| 00:50.01 | carmen | seems the SVN has been down like a day (and smartpants here decided to delete qt 3.3.4 and old kdelibs already) |
| 00:50.03 | Zxcvb | greeneg: and that is an official release? |
| 00:50.11 | greeneg | I used to swear by MDK, but I'm just not convinced they test it enough |
| 00:50.15 | greeneg | Zxcvb: yes |
| 00:50.25 | lauri | it appears to be only anonsvn that is not available |
| 00:50.31 | Zxcvb | ouch |
| 00:50.45 | Zxcvb | sounds like MS |
| 00:51.09 | carmen | nah, MS is light years worse, you pay for stuff, it ships late, and then still has problems |
| 00:51.17 | greeneg | ::nod:: |
| 00:54.54 | texnofobix | carmen: true |
| 00:55.09 | texnofobix | at least with linux you get what you pay for |
| 00:55.13 | texnofobix | ;) |
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| 01:01.20 | dwango | Anyone know what might cause a call in ~/.xprofile to xmodmap to not "register"? |
| 01:01.39 | dwango | I verified that ~/.xprofile is being executed.. |
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| 01:11.30 | orangey | hey all! |
| 01:11.41 | orangey | is there a KDE way to convert MP3 -> OGG? |
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| 01:13.44 | grepper | might be better to leave them as mp3's if you don't have the originals, as both are lossy formats, but remove different information |
| 01:18.51 | orangey | grepper: well, I use amarok, and musicbrainz won't read the mp3s |
| 01:19.22 | orangey | I'm not sure which is the lesser of the evils : ) |
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| 01:43.53 | Zxcvb | it is entirely possible to have an ogg file using the mp3 codec |
| 01:50.10 | [_]illogic-al | a) not really the right place to ask b) why would you want to c) yes. but why would you want to |
| 01:50.31 | [_]illogic-al | ogg is just a container format so it is theoretically possible. |
| 01:51.30 | grepper | d) would it solve his problem anyway |
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| 01:52.22 | [_]illogic-al | orangey's problems? |
| 01:52.34 | grepper | yeah |
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| 02:27.22 | luminerd | Hey |
| 02:27.33 | luminerd | how can I cause a cd to automatically mount when it goes in? |
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| 02:31.46 | grepper | install KDE 3.5 :) |
| 02:33.11 | luminerd | grepper, how can I check my version of KDE? I believe I have that. |
| 02:34.07 | orangey | luminerd: you don't.. |
| 02:34.17 | orangey | luminerd: open konqueror, then help > about kde or something. |
| 02:34.30 | orangey | but 3.5 is still in alpha or beta or something. |
| 02:35.02 | luminerd | 3.3.2 |
| 02:35.20 | grepper | luminerd: in 3.5 a window will pop up asking you what you want to do |
| 02:35.27 | grepper | hal, dbus, etc |
| 02:35.41 | grepper | you can do it now, but takes a little work |
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| 02:35.57 | luminerd | greeneg, what is etc? |
| 02:36.17 | luminerd | grepper, I have to get it working, else people will be mad :P |
| 02:36.36 | luminerd | is there a guide somewhere? |
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| 02:37.59 | greeneg | luminerd: etc is the short for the latin et cetra |
| 02:38.24 | grepper | hehe |
| 02:38.38 | grepper | bringing in outside language consultants now |
| 02:39.26 | greeneg | crap I spelt it wrong too... that should be et cetera |
| 02:40.02 | luminerd | lol |
| 02:40.12 | luminerd | grepper, but how do I accomplish? |
| 02:40.33 | grepper | damn, not sure |
| 02:41.39 | grepper | installing hotplug, hal and dbus would be a start I guess |
| 02:41.55 | grepper | and using kde compiled against hal and dbus |
| 02:42.01 | grepper | not sure of the next step :P |
| 02:43.08 | luminerd | compiled against? |
| 02:43.09 | chavo | is the svn server down? |
| 02:43.15 | luminerd | I have to compile KDE? :( |
| 02:43.19 | chavo | can't access it here |
| 02:43.23 | luminerd | there's SOOOOOOOOOO many libs! ack! |
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| 02:45.02 | seth_k | anyone have any idea on making KOrganizer export to web in any format except HTML? XML, RSS, iCal? |
| 02:46.08 | greeneg | chavo: lauri said that the anon seemed down earlier |
| 02:46.34 | chavo | alright thanks greeneg |
| 02:46.55 | greeneg | np |
| 02:47.29 | chavo | I checked it out yesterday but didn't know they move 4.0 to trunk already |
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| 03:12.39 | ddfire | hi |
| 03:13.09 | ddfire | i need some help please how i can tell to kde to switch to 800 x 600 resolution??? wich file control that? |
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| 03:15.05 | apokryphos | ddfire: you can use krandrtray; or just right-click on the desktop -> configure desktop -> display |
| 03:15.46 | ddfire | apokryphos, i can because i have one monitor that dont support more than 800 x 600 so i need do it in comand line |
| 03:16.18 | grepper | ddfire: you use xorg or xfree ? |
| 03:16.42 | apokryphos | ddfire: what distribution? |
| 03:16.50 | ddfire | devian |
| 03:17.03 | grepper | stable ? |
| 03:17.09 | ddfire | yes |
| 03:17.21 | grepper | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:17.34 | apokryphos | edit it manually or use dpkg-reconfigure ;-) |
| 03:17.44 | grepper | you want the first res in under your default colour depth |
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| 03:19.47 | grepper | ddfire: ie. if your DefaultDepth is 16: |
| 03:19.56 | grepper | Depth 16 |
| 03:19.56 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.09 | grepper | so ""800x600" would be the 1st one listed |
| 03:20.20 | ddfire | i found that |
| 03:20.35 | grepper | minus the extra quote :) |
| 03:20.36 | ddfire | Section "Screen" |
| 03:20.45 | apokryphos | that's it |
| 03:21.17 | ddfire | Identifier "Screen0" |
| 03:21.17 | ddfire | Device "Card0" |
| 03:21.17 | ddfire | Monitor "Monitor0" |
| 03:21.17 | ddfire | DefaultColorDepth 16 |
| 03:21.17 | ddfire | SubSection "Display" |
| 03:21.18 | ddfire | Depth 1 |
| 03:21.20 | ddfire | Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 03:21.22 | ddfire | EndSubSection |
| 03:21.49 | ddfire | but there is a lot of subsections all whit modes "1024x768" ... |
| 03:21.57 | apokryphos | ddfire: you want to concentrate on the part with "Depth 16", as it's your default colour depth |
| 03:22.22 | ddfire | os i only need to remove "1024x768" |
| 03:22.43 | ddfire | so that line will be " Modes "800x600" "640x480" " |
| 03:22.47 | ddfire | ??? |
| 03:22.48 | apokryphos | yes; 800x600 will become the new resolution used, if it can |
| 03:22.52 | grepper | yep |
| 03:23.05 | ddfire | i will try it rigth now |
| 03:23.11 | ddfire | thanks you!!!! |
| 03:23.23 | ddfire | i will need some time to try it because it is for a knoppix |
| 03:23.31 | grepper | remaster ? |
| 03:23.36 | ddfire | yeap |
| 03:23.44 | grepper | ok |
| 03:23.55 | grepper | I like kanotix for remasters |
| 03:24.07 | ddfire | what is the diferens |
| 03:24.08 | ddfire | ? |
| 03:24.09 | grepper | squashfs |
| 03:24.14 | grepper | instead of cloop |
| 03:24.35 | grepper | with the right kernel module you can do "mount -t squashfs . . . ." |
| 03:25.25 | ddfire | the best way to remaster is |
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| 03:25.32 | ddfire | install it in to the HDD |
| 03:25.37 | ddfire | do all the change |
| 03:25.48 | grepper | nah, I just use a chroot |
| 03:26.07 | ddfire | copy the dir /home/knoppix to /etc/skel and thats all |
| 03:26.14 | grepper | not really |
| 03:26.16 | ddfire | and use kpackage to remove and install |
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| 03:26.31 | grepper | it won't copy /etc/skel |
| 03:26.39 | grepper | just what is in the script |
| 03:27.02 | ddfire | i need to put some stuff in the desktop |
| 03:27.06 | ddfire | inst other way |
| 03:27.24 | grepper | you will need to rsync it |
| 03:27.32 | ddfire | rsync ??? |
| 03:28.16 | grepper | grep rsync /etc/X11/Xsession.d/45xsession |
| 03:29.42 | ddfire | and for what is that? |
| 03:29.51 | ddfire | sorry o dont understand |
| 03:29.58 | ddfire | sorry i dont understand |
| 03:30.27 | Andrew`` | HI all |
| 03:31.29 | grepper | ddfire: should be obvious from reading that |
| 03:32.05 | ddfire | i dont know what is rsync i am new in linux |
| 03:32.49 | grepper | sync -Ha --ignore-existing /etc/skel/{.acrorc,.Xdefaults,.gimp*,.gconf*,.bashrc,.nessus*,.links,.local,.lynx*,.qt,.xine,.xchat2,.kderc,.vimrc*,.gtk*,.mplayer,.gkrellm2,.xmms,tmp} $HOME/ |
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| 03:33.09 | grepper | it copies those files in /etc/skel to knoppix's home |
| 03:33.21 | marcusU | What is this libhpi.so that ./configure in kdebase is looking for? |
| 03:33.21 | Andrew`` | am using SuSSE 9.2 with KDE 3.3 and am having trouble installing kopete 0.10.3. I can paste the rafb.net pages if necessary |
| 03:33.52 | ddfire | ho |
| 03:33.57 | Andrew`` | the guys in #kopete seem to think its a visibility problem with gcc |
| 03:34.06 | grepper | java something or other |
| 03:34.19 | marcusU | grepper: My Java does not come with such a lib. |
| 03:34.48 | ddfire | grepper, do you know where is the file mkxf86config because it generate the file XF86Config-4 |
| 03:34.49 | grepper | did you try --without-java ? |
| 03:34.59 | grepper | debian uses that anyway |
| 03:35.15 | marcusU | grepper: Well, I'm just wondering why it wants that lib, or why IBM's Java does not include it. |
| 03:36.05 | grepper | dunno, sun's certainly does |
| 03:36.11 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.26 | marcusU | I don't have a directory called 'native_threads', either., though. |
| 03:38.14 | grepper | I'd just use --without-java and forget it |
| 03:38.32 | grepper | you can still use java with konqueror |
| 03:38.48 | marcusU | What features get left out with --without-java? |
| 03:38.56 | Alethes | java |
| 03:38.56 | Alethes | :D |
| 03:39.15 | marcusU | Alethes: What? |
| 03:39.19 | grepper | I think it just automatically detects and uses your java, but you can always configure it |
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| 03:39.24 | grepper | later |
| 03:39.26 | Alethes | java is the only feature that gets left out :) |
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| 03:39.31 | alexius | Hi. |
| 03:39.46 | marcusU | Alethes: So IBM's JVM is not supported by KDE? |
| 03:39.52 | Alethes | *shrug* |
| 03:39.54 | Alethes | I don't use java |
| 03:40.11 | grepper | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2003/10/msg00281.html |
| 03:40.26 | grepper | marcusU: it is supported in that it will work with konqueror |
| 03:41.00 | grepper | apparently it won't hard code the path without using --with-java= |
| 03:42.30 | grepper | not officially supported apparently, but the java faq page is probably dated |
| 03:46.13 | marcusU | I didn't start getting this error during ./configure until today. I built a few days ago without complaint. |
| 03:47.05 | ddfire | grepper, do you know how to start knoppix whit 800 x 600 ???? mkxf86config will rewrite the file so the change will be overwrited |
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| 03:49.05 | grepper | ddfire: screen=800x600 , I think |
| 03:49.12 | Andrew`` | can anyone help me please regarding the install of kopete 0.10.3??? the guys in #kopete seem to think my problem is with gcc |
| 03:49.41 | ddfire | Andrew``, what distribution? |
| 03:49.52 | ddfire | grepper, i try that |
| 03:49.55 | Andrew`` | SuSE 9.2 with KDE 3.3 |
| 03:50.14 | ddfire | Andrew``, if the problem is whit gcc you should go to #suse |
| 03:50.29 | Andrew`` | ok |
| 03:50.46 | ddfire | grepper, i am going to change mkxf86config |
| 03:52.53 | grepper | knoppix screen=1280x1024 Use specified Screen resolution for X |
| 03:52.58 | grepper | from cheatcodes.txt |
| 03:53.13 | ddfire | i try it dont work |
| 03:53.45 | grepper | you typed it in when you booted ? "knoppix screen=800x600" ? |
| 03:53.46 | ddfire | try it i cant put it to work in that way |
| 03:53.51 | ddfire | eyes |
| 03:53.53 | ddfire | yes |
| 03:54.02 | ddfire | knoppix screen=800x600 |
| 03:54.09 | ddfire | knoppix screen=800X600 |
| 03:54.20 | ddfire | knoppix screen= 800X600 |
| 03:54.24 | ddfire | knoppix screen= 800x600 |
| 03:54.27 | ddfire | knoppix screen = 800x600 |
| 03:54.29 | ddfire | knoppix screen = 800X600 |
| 03:54.34 | grepper | stop, the first one was correct |
| 03:54.44 | ddfire | i try all thats dont work |
| 03:55.20 | grepper | this is for X ? |
| 03:56.24 | ddfire | ??? |
| 03:56.53 | grepper | or for console |
| 03:57.13 | ddfire | this is for x |
| 03:57.17 | ddfire | for kde |
| 03:57.38 | grepper | ok |
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| 03:58.56 | ddfire | i edit the file who make the config file for kde |
| 03:59.01 | ddfire | i hope thats work |
| 03:59.13 | grepper | for X you mean |
| 03:59.27 | ddfire | yes |
| 04:00.05 | ddfire | one more question i know this is a kde channel but you know a lot and you are a good person and you want to help other persons to learn |
| 04:00.43 | ddfire | where i can put some fonts i put them in /etc/skel/.fonts but there arent in openoffice |
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| 04:01.36 | grepper | did they get copied ? |
| 04:02.03 | ddfire | nop |
| 04:02.23 | grepper | see my earlier answer about /etc/skel and rsync |
| 04:02.35 | grepper | it only copies what you tell it to copy |
| 04:02.56 | grepper | it does not just copy /etc/skel wholesale as it might in a normal install |
| 04:03.29 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.41 | grepper | if you can't figure it out, maybe you shouldn't be trying to remaster |
| 04:05.29 | ddfire | i understand it |
| 04:05.36 | grepper | good |
| 04:06.31 | ddfire | can i put rsync -Ha --ignore-existing /etc/skel/{ * , .* } ??? |
| 04:07.27 | ddfire | can i put rsync -Ha --ignore-existing /etc/skel/{ * , .* } $HOME/ 2>/dev/null ??? |
| 04:07.39 | grepper | you might find it useful to pipe to a log file instead of /dev/null |
| 04:07.54 | ddfire | bbl? |
| 04:08.28 | ddfire | so i can use * and .* in rsync to copy all? |
| 04:20.23 | marcusU | websvn does not seem to be working. |
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| 04:44.22 | FenixRF | greetings! |
| 04:45.28 | FenixRF | quick question... now can I synchronise Microsoft Outlook's Calander with the calendar in kontact? |
| 04:45.55 | FenixRF | how can I rather |
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| 05:45.26 | bcr | is anyone having problems with anonsvn? |
| 05:45.41 | Aji-Dahaka | yup |
| 05:45.45 | marcusU | bcr: I have not tried anonsvn but I had problems with websvn earlier. |
| 05:45.46 | Aji-Dahaka | nothing here sincethis morning |
| 05:46.05 | bcr | :-( |
| 05:46.41 | marcusU | Media manager? |
| 05:46.45 | marcusU | What's that? |
| 05:46.54 | bcr | kay? |
| 05:47.01 | bcr | system:/ kioslave |
| 05:47.09 | bcr | i don't know what it is called now |
| 05:47.35 | marcusU | I don't like having my CD/DVD automounted. |
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| 05:48.13 | b0xy | can you pause apt-gets and resume later? |
| 05:48.33 | bcr | marcusU: what about your usb stick? |
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| 05:48.47 | marcusU | bcr: My what? |
| 05:49.01 | bcr | usb flash memory |
| 05:49.23 | marcusU | bcr: Never heard of that. |
| 05:49.27 | bcr | automounting is useful for memory sticks |
| 05:49.50 | marcusU | I get annoyed with automounting. |
| 05:49.57 | bcr | k |
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| 05:54.12 | Andrew`` | ok all.. am downloading the KDE update - when it finishes, will I have to reboot or re-login for it to take effect? |
| 05:54.28 | marcusU | It can't hurt. |
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| 06:25.39 | Andrew`` | ok.. I have just downloaded KDE 3.4 so I have now kopete 0.10.3... but when I go to configure kopete.. it has an empty page... what have I done wrong? |
| 06:26.33 | marcusU | Andrew``: How did you install the rest of KDE? |
| 06:27.09 | Andrew`` | I used YaST |
| 06:27.27 | marcusU | How did you install Kopete? |
| 06:27.36 | Andrew`` | YaST |
| 06:27.50 | marcusU | Oh.; that's odd. |
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| 06:29.59 | Andrew`` | ok am going to re-login.. see if that helps |
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| 07:18.28 | bcr | can i set the cd polling interval in the new storage media module? |
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| 07:50.43 | bcr | or is cd polling meant for finding out details about the cd/dvd ? |
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| 07:53.32 | forlorn | bcr: you should probably install hal, rather than use cd polling |
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| 08:07.36 | Felly | Where does the Kontact data gets saved (contact, calender, todo's) ?? |
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| 08:20.28 | bcr | forlorn: i have hal installed |
| 08:23.07 | bcr | forlorn: but the cd polling option also seems to be required |
| 08:23.10 | forlorn | bcr: well, if hal is installed the kde module is not going to poll, however what hal does is another matter, but i think the cd drives sends interrupts, so if hal is tight with the kernel, it should be able to detect it |
| 08:23.17 | forlorn | bcr: hm |
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| 08:32.23 | b0xy | anyone help me get KDE started on my debian? |
| 08:32.33 | b0xy | I installed using apt-get install KDE |
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| 08:32.38 | b0xy | 235mb package |
| 08:32.44 | b0xy | it's all downloaded and I come back to a prompt |
| 08:33.02 | b0xy | i typed StartX and it says "no such file or directory" |
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| 08:34.49 | __jahu__ | b0xy: typed StartX or startx? |
| 08:35.34 | b0xy | startx |
| 08:36.10 | b0xy | I get this error |
| 08:36.56 | b0xy | . /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xeserverrc: line 2: /user/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory |
| 08:37.31 | b0xy | . /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xeserverrc: line 2: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X: cannot execute: No such file or directory |
| 08:37.44 | b0xy | . xinit: Server error. |
| 08:39.10 | b0xy | do I need to run a config or something before I do startx? |
| 08:39.24 | __jahu__ | run this: ls /usr/bin/X11/X /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
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| 08:39.44 | __jahu__ | does it say No such file for both of those paths? |
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| 08:40.21 | b0xy | yes |
| 08:41.01 | __jahu__ | run: whereis X |
| 08:41.26 | b0xy | X: |
| 08:41.59 | tbscope | do you have X installed ? |
| 08:42.10 | b0xy | I ran apt-get install kde |
| 08:42.11 | bcr | forlorn: i have hal installed but cd auto detection works only if cd polling option is also ticked |
| 08:42.25 | b0xy | it went through a 235mb download and it ran the install I believe |
| 08:43.28 | __jahu__ | well, it certainly seems that you don't have X installed |
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| 08:43.53 | b0xy | any ideas? |
| 08:44.13 | b0xy | is there a way that i can check with aptitude cache or whatever that is to find installed packages? |
| 08:44.44 | AL13N | anyone know where i can find the kate plugin that allows for document word completion? according to the kate site, it's supposed to be in 3.3 and higher... |
| 08:45.46 | crispynix-v6 | AL13N: on debian/ubuntu, it's in kate-plugins |
| 08:46.14 | AL13N | so, it is in kde then |
| 08:46.26 | AL13N | i'll give urpmi a search |
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| 08:47.16 | b0xy | __jahu__: any ideas about what I can do? |
| 08:47.20 | b0xy | reinstall X or something? |
| 08:47.27 | b0xy | or is there something I need to configure or run again? |
| 08:47.35 | __jahu__ | b0xy: running debian unstable.. apt-get install xserver-xorg should install X, if it somehow has been omitted from dependencies.. disclaimer: I have never used debian based distro.. |
| 08:47.41 | AL13N | crispynix-v6: are these plugins 64bit compatible? |
| 08:47.48 | AL13N | i can't seem to find it |
| 08:47.58 | crispynix-v6 | AL13N: no idea; I have a 32-bit p4 |
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| 08:48.15 | b0xy | __jahu__: couldn't find package xserver-xorg |
| 08:48.34 | __jahu__ | b0xy: running kde-config --version should show if you even have kde installed.. |
| 08:49.08 | b0xy | Qt: 3.3.4 |
| 08:49.11 | b0xy | KDE: 3.3.2 |
| 08:49.14 | b0xy | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 08:50.22 | __jahu__ | ok.. you have kde.. but you don't have X apparently.. I'm not familiar with apt-get and pals so I suggest you google for X install.. I bet it's something like apt-get install Xserver-<something>.. |
| 08:50.54 | b0xy | do ya'll have a google bot in here? |
| 08:51.42 | b0xy | apt-get install xserver-xfree86? |
| 08:52.07 | b0xy | ok |
| 08:52.15 | b0xy | that found a package and is installing 17mb of files |
| 08:52.30 | __jahu__ | good.. |
| 08:52.37 | b0xy | gimme about 5 mins |
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| 08:59.35 | b0xy | ok |
| 08:59.41 | b0xy | finishing up configuration |
| 09:00.13 | b0xy | now when i type startx |
| 09:00.18 | b0xy | it gives me this error: |
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| 09:00.20 | ServerList | hi |
| 09:00.23 | ServerList | someone here |
| 09:00.31 | b0xy | cannot start /etc/X11/Z (No such file or directory), aborting. |
| 09:00.37 | b0xy | xinit: Server error. |
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| 09:01.16 | ServerList | kdewebdev-3.4.1 needs kdelibs-3.4.1 right? can i install kdelibs-3.4.2 so that kdewebdev-3.4.1 gets installed too |
| 09:01.20 | ServerList | hi b0xy |
| 09:01.39 | b0xy | I typed "whereis X" and it says "/user/X11R6/bin/X /user/bin/X11/X |
| 09:01.46 | b0xy | hi ServerList |
| 09:01.56 | ServerList | what distro |
| 09:02.03 | b0xy | debian |
| 09:02.10 | b0xy | downloaded a netinstall for powerpc |
| 09:02.12 | ServerList | cool thanks |
| 09:02.20 | __jahu__ | ok.. no I have to say that I have no clue.. sorry.. isn't there some command that updates the whole system? something like apt-get update.. perhaps your sys is somehow "out of sync".. |
| 09:02.31 | ServerList | compile X11 again |
| 09:02.33 | b0xy | it's a fresh install tonight |
| 09:02.46 | b0xy | most recent downloads |
| 09:03.04 | ServerList | from binaries or compile? |
| 09:03.27 | b0xy | I ran apt-get update and it comes back with no updates available |
| 09:03.33 | __jahu__ | it's pretty weird that kde install didn't have X as dependency.. that alone suggest that there's something wrong.. you are running debian stable are you? |
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| 09:03.42 | b0xy | I think so |
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| 09:04.12 | b0xy | debian-31r0a-powerpc-businesscard.iso |
| 09:04.16 | b0xy | that's what I downloaded |
| 09:04.20 | ServerList | apt-get always do that |
| 09:04.34 | ServerList | it doesnt have dependency checks |
| 09:04.36 | b0xy | I installed it, it took a while to download everything |
| 09:05.18 | ServerList | __jahu__: are you sure apt dont check dependencies correctly? |
| 09:05.39 | chillmann | hey ladies. |
| 09:06.08 | chillmann | Is there a way to modify the members of a distribution list in KMail? (KDE 3.4.1) |
| 09:06.10 | __jahu__ | no I'm not sure about anything related to apt.. as I mentioned earlier, I have never used debian based distro.. so just guessing here.. but surely X should be dependency for kde? |
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| 09:07.37 | AL13N | crispynix-v6: what is the name of that plugin? i have some plugins but not one to do word-completion, and what keyboard shortcut is used for it? |
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| 09:08.33 | crispynix-v6 | AL13N: "KTextEdit Word Completion Plugin" |
| 09:08.42 | crispynix-v6 | er, KTextEditor |
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| 09:09.03 | AL13N | crispynix-v6: so it isn't for kate then? |
| 09:09.22 | crispynix-v6 | AL13N: it;s showing up under 'Plugins' in kate's settings dialog |
| 09:09.36 | ServerList | maybe you can help |
| 09:09.41 | crispynix-v6 | using kde 3.4.2 on ubuntu breezy |
| 09:09.42 | ServerList | kdewebdev-3.4.1 needs kdelibs-3.4.1 right? can i install kdelibs-3.4.2 so that kdewebdev-3.4.1 gets installed too |
| 09:09.43 | AL13N | crispynix-v6: what version you have? |
| 09:09.50 | AL13N | i still got 3.3 |
| 09:10.00 | crispynix-v6 | ah, might be it was added in 3.4.x |
| 09:10.06 | ServerList | its fast of you to say that __jahu__ but some people in #debian disagrees |
| 09:10.10 | AL13N | not according to the kate site |
| 09:10.16 | b0xy | ubuntu was a piece of cake to install |
| 09:10.19 | b0xy | everything just worked |
| 09:10.23 | b0xy | sort of |
| 09:10.26 | b0xy | I have bad luck with X |
| 09:10.28 | crispynix-v6 | o_O well, it's present on my installation |
| 09:10.42 | AL13N | the plugin there is for <= 3.2 |
| 09:11.13 | AL13N | http://kate.kde.org/3rdparty.php |
| 09:11.54 | crispynix-v6 | AL13N: it's included in kate-plugins now, so it's no longer third-party |
| 09:12.10 | crispynix-v6 | AL13N: part of kdeaddons |
| 09:12.37 | AL13N | i have that installed |
| 09:14.04 | crispynix-v6 | AL13N: sigh. it might've been added in 3.4.x's kdeaddons |
| 09:14.13 | crispynix-v6 | AL13N: dunno, but it's definitely present here |
| 09:14.19 | b0xy | so any ideas? |
| 09:14.30 | b0xy | not important really. just spent alot of download time trying to get it to work |
| 09:14.35 | __jahu__ | ServerList: eh.. what are you talking about? As far as I know, I haven't made any claims.. I made it pretty clear that I don't know anything about debian or apt, so anything I say should not be taken as facts but as guesses.. |
| 09:15.47 | AL13N | crispynix-v6: is there a way to grab 3.4 binaries for mdk? |
| 09:16.28 | __jahu__ | b0xy: if you haven't already then ask from #debian for better advice.. |
| 09:16.58 | b0xy | k |
| 09:16.58 | b0xy | thanks |
| 09:17.31 | ServerList | ?just clarifying |
| 09:17.52 | ServerList | so that you know too and assumptions can be corrected |
| 09:17.59 | ServerList | anyways |
| 09:18.02 | ServerList | kdewebdev-3.4.1 needs kdelibs-3.4.1 right? can i install kdelibs-3.4.2 so that kdewebdev-3.4.1 gets installed too |
| 09:19.02 | __jahu__ | ServerList: ok.. but still isn't really clear for me :) apt does dep.checks? or does not? |
| 09:20.48 | b0xy | liable in #debian said to run "apt-get install x-window-system" |
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| 09:21.31 | crispynix-v6 | AL13N: heh, it's actually part of kdelibs (/usr/lib/kde3/ktexteditor_docwordcompletion.*) |
| 09:21.39 | crispynix-v6 | AL13N: as for getting 3.4 on mandrake, dunno |
| 09:23.00 | AL13N | crispynix-v6: i have the file |
| 09:23.07 | AL13N | how do i select it as plugin? |
| 09:23.09 | PieD | hi |
| 09:23.20 | PieD | is there a way for konqueror to support user_xattr ? |
| 09:23.43 | crispynix-v6 | kate Settings -> Configure Kate -> Plugins -> [x] KTextEditor Word Completion Plugin |
| 09:23.51 | PieD | I mean showing the xattr in the file view and properties, allow modification in properties and so on |
| 09:24.32 | AL13N | crispynix-v6: thanks, it was in the editor plugin section |
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| 09:27.02 | PieD | I've got the same question with ACL too |
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| 09:33.39 | Stephan | Hallo |
| 09:34.25 | Stephan | Hallo ist Jemand da |
| 09:34.38 | Rudd-O | extattr support is being worked on, PieD |
| 09:34.41 | Rudd-O | afaik |
| 09:34.57 | PieD | good :) it'll be with KDE 3.5 ? |
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| 09:35.14 | Stephan | Was habt ihr |
| 09:35.39 | markey | english, you know |
| 09:35.42 | Stephan | I`m Germeny |
| 09:35.48 | markey | yeah we've noticed |
| 09:35.49 | Rudd-O | 3.5? I really doubt it! |
| 09:35.55 | Rudd-O | Wie geht's Stephan |
| 09:36.09 | Stephan | Ganz gut |
| 09:36.26 | pinotree | hello =) |
| 09:36.31 | markey | ciao pinotree |
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| 09:37.25 | Stephan | Schau |
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| 09:40.11 | thechris | thats not german. i can count the letters in each word on my hands |
| 09:45.03 | Rudd-O | lol |
| 09:45.16 | Rudd-O | believe it or not, some words with fewer than ten letters are german! |
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| 09:55.03 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 09:55.10 | chillmann | (seems like nobody uses distribution list, as I don't get an answer since 2 Weeks) |
| 09:55.21 | chillmann | s/since/for/ |
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| 10:05.20 | b0xy | how do i configure XFree86? |
| 10:05.26 | Rudd-O | what do you wanna configure? |
| 10:05.27 | b0xy | I'm using KDe |
| 10:05.28 | Rudd-O | your display? |
| 10:05.36 | b0xy | but how do I add 1024x768 to my display options? |
| 10:05.37 | Rudd-O | kde comes with no tools to configure xfree86 or xorg |
| 10:05.38 | b0xy | I can't remember |
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| 10:05.46 | Rudd-O | well, does your display support it? |
| 10:05.50 | b0xy | yep |
| 10:05.57 | Rudd-O | cuz you should resort to your distro's config tool |
| 10:05.58 | b0xy | just didn't enable it cuz i had a different monitor on it |
| 10:06.02 | Rudd-O | what distro are you using? |
| 10:06.05 | b0xy | debian |
| 10:06.25 | Rudd-O | (afaict xfree or xorg both detect which display are you using and provide the largest resolution, automatically, UNLESS the config file says otherwise) |
| 10:06.27 | b0xy | any idea what it is to configure? |
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| 10:06.37 | Rudd-O | to give it a shot, you should edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:06.54 | Rudd-O | (/etc/X11/XFree86* for you xfree86 users) |
| 10:07.00 | Rudd-O | (cannot remember the name of the config file) |
| 10:07.23 | Rudd-O | really really at the bottom of the file, there's a line that mentions screeen resolutions, you should add your desired resolution there. |
| 10:07.24 | b0xy | I don't see either of those |
| 10:07.35 | Rudd-O | a line that says "800x600" "640x480" or something like that |
| 10:07.36 | b0xy | I know what the file looks like but not sure what it is on this distro and setup |
| 10:07.38 | b0xy | yeah |
| 10:07.44 | b0xy | I'm in /etc/X11/ |
| 10:07.44 | Rudd-O | t's always the same, no matter which distro |
| 10:07.58 | b0xy | I have Xwrapper.config |
| 10:07.59 | Rudd-O | it's in subsection Display of the xfree86 config file |
| 10:08.01 | b0xy | would that be it? |
| 10:08.09 | b0xy | I'm looking for the config file |
| 10:08.12 | Rudd-O | no. Xwrapper.config is not the file |
| 10:08.23 | Rudd-O | XFree86.something I cannot remember |
| 10:08.30 | b0xy | XF86Config-4? |
| 10:08.38 | b0xy | I don't see any other .config files |
| 10:08.47 | Rudd-O | that's it |
| 10:08.50 | Rudd-O | XF86Config-4 |
| 10:08.51 | b0xy | nor any xfree86 files |
| 10:08.52 | b0xy | ok |
| 10:08.54 | Rudd-O | edit it with Pico or Nano |
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| 10:08.57 | b0xy | how do i edit it? what's the command? |
| 10:08.58 | Rudd-O | and go to the bottom |
| 10:09.01 | b0xy | k |
| 10:09.16 | b0xy | ok. I got it from here. thanks |
| 10:09.17 | Rudd-O | really at the bottom you'll find a Section "Screen" |
| 10:09.23 | Rudd-O | which has a Subsection "Display" |
| 10:09.33 | Rudd-O | there is a line beginning with Modes |
| 10:09.42 | Rudd-O | Modes "640x480" "800x600" |
| 10:09.57 | Rudd-O | add your resolution there, with double quotes, separated with a space, respecting the format of the line |
| 10:10.01 | Rudd-O | and you'll be set |
| 10:10.13 | Rudd-O | but before logging out and in, try it with the command X :1 |
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| 10:10.21 | Rudd-O | so you can see if the reso was picked up |
| 10:10.28 | b0xy | all is well |
| 10:10.29 | b0xy | thanks |
| 10:10.35 | tenco | can konqueror display mathml? |
| 10:10.40 | Rudd-O | no |
| 10:10.45 | Rudd-O | konq cannot display MML |
| 10:10.50 | tenco | fsck |
| 10:10.57 | b0xy | ok. next quick question. how do I get debian to start X as soon as I login so I don't have to manually do it? |
| 10:10.59 | Rudd-O | sorry dude |
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| 10:11.03 | Rudd-O | wait for firefox 1.1 =) |
| 10:11.07 | b0xy | what config file do I add that to? |
| 10:11.13 | Rudd-O | no se, varon... i Don't know. |
| 10:11.14 | PieD | Rudd-O: it'll never be released |
| 10:11.23 | Rudd-O | (yes, I know they'll jump to 1.5 asap) |
| 10:11.38 | PieD | I prefer waiting for KDE4 |
| 10:11.40 | Rudd-O | does debian use sysvinit? |
| 10:11.42 | PieD | that's more interesting |
| 10:11.44 | tenco | Rudd-O: firefox can already display mathml. is support planned for konqueror? |
| 10:11.47 | Rudd-O | I don't think so |
| 10:11.49 | PieD | Rudd-O: yes, I think so |
| 10:11.49 | AL13N | crispynix-v6: it would be more usefull if the dropdownbox wouldn't appear when using backspace, but it would stay if it were still there and refresh |
| 10:12.05 | PieD | I think mathml will be doable in konqueror with KDE4 |
| 10:12.09 | Rudd-O | konq is poised to morph into two separate file management and browsing tools for kde4 |
| 10:12.34 | tenco | i hope so ^^ |
| 10:12.57 | Rudd-O | me 2 |
| 10:13.05 | Rudd-O | konq is very very user hostile nowadays |
| 10:13.42 | PieD | Rudd-O: I hope they won't split it into two tools |
| 10:13.47 | PieD | that'd be like killing it ! |
| 10:13.56 | PieD | konq is user friendly, from what I saw |
| 10:13.59 | tenco | yes |
| 10:14.05 | tenco | dont split it |
| 10:14.15 | madpenguin8 | indeed |
| 10:14.33 | Rudd-O | so be it |
| 10:14.43 | Rudd-O | i'm pro abortion you know =) |
| 10:15.49 | Rudd-O | konq is not user friendly, no way! |
| 10:15.56 | Rudd-O | it's like asking a user to drive a spacecraft |
| 10:16.02 | Rudd-O | konq has way too much shit in its window |
| 10:16.04 | PieD | konq is user friendly |
| 10:16.14 | Rudd-O | konq needs to become simpler |
| 10:16.15 | PieD | "my" beginners aren't lost with it |
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| 10:16.30 | b0xy | nice. I can actually USE my mac now until I get 10.4 Tiger |
| 10:16.30 | Rudd-O | don't come say konq "is user friendly, only very picky with his friends" |
| 10:16.50 | Rudd-O | and as we say, it's all relative. compare it to windows explorer or GNOME nautilus and you cannot say it's simple and easy to use. |
| 10:17.01 | PieD | explorer is hard to use |
| 10:17.09 | PieD | nautilus featureless |
| 10:17.40 | PieD | go and explain people they don't have 2 harddrives in their computer but one harddrive with two partitions (thanks explorer) |
| 10:17.42 | Rudd-O | nautilus featureless? |
| 10:17.53 | tenco | Rudd-O: if i want it simpler, i would use epiphany... |
| 10:17.56 | Rudd-O | who ever has two partitions nowadays? |
| 10:17.58 | PieD | nautilus won't show PDF inside its window |
| 10:18.05 | PieD | Rudd-O: off course, everybody has more |
| 10:18.47 | Rudd-O | (in the remote case of explaining a user why they have two partitions, it's rather simple: "you have two partitions in your disk. if one fucks up, the other probably won't, so it's a safety measure") |
| 10:19.01 | Rudd-O | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.13 | tenco | yes |
| 10:19.15 | Rudd-O | how can you want a file manager that shows a pdf in its window? |
| 10:19.18 | Rudd-O | that's brain dead |
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| 10:19.20 | PieD | Rudd-O: explain them that they don't have two harddrives while explorer shows 2 harddrive ! |
| 10:19.35 | PieD | Rudd-O: that's a feature appreciated by an incredible number of users |
| 10:19.48 | Rudd-O | (explorer does NOT show two hard drives. explorer shows two DRIVES. which reside in one hard disk.) |
| 10:19.52 | PieD | my brother is a beginner, and he loves to be able to open videos in konqueror |
| 10:20.00 | Rudd-O | showing PDFs is the job of a PDF viewer |
| 10:20.19 | tenco | kpdf is unusable, btw |
| 10:20.21 | Rudd-O | my brother is a beginner, and he loves to be able to open videos in konqueror <- prolly because he does not know any respectably good video player |
| 10:20.23 | PieD | Rudd-O: and a pdf viewer is embedable in every app, like the web browser, file manager... |
| 10:20.27 | tenco | the fonts are fscked up |
| 10:20.39 | Rudd-O | tenco: KPDF is so usable, konqueror uses its KPart to display PDFs, FYI! |
| 10:20.49 | PieD | Rudd-O: he prefers viewing videos in konqueror because he doesn't want to open a video player |
| 10:20.49 | tenco | i know |
| 10:20.56 | Rudd-O | PieD, it's insane to show a PDF inside the file manager. |
| 10:21.02 | tenco | kpdf is less usable than xpdf |
| 10:21.07 | PieD | Rudd-O: no |
| 10:21.13 | tenco | it displays most fonts false |
| 10:21.15 | Rudd-O | PieD, he doesn't want to open a video player, yet he is opening one, embedded. |
| 10:21.16 | PieD | tenco: ? really ? |
| 10:21.19 | PieD | what version |
| 10:21.25 | tenco | it displays fonts "jumpy" |
| 10:21.30 | PieD | Rudd-O: he doesn't want to have another window |
| 10:21.32 | Rudd-O | yes, FYI, KPDF is the one displaying PDFs inside konq's window |
| 10:21.54 | Rudd-O | PieD, so he does not wanna have another window? |
| 10:22.02 | tenco | Rudd-O: i know |
| 10:22.03 | PieD | I think so |
| 10:22.12 | Rudd-O | you *think* so? |
| 10:22.29 | PieD | I didn't ask him "why do you prefer exactly ?" |
| 10:22.33 | PieD | I know he likes it |
| 10:22.39 | Rudd-O | don't you mean "my brother does not want to WAIT to watch a video, where the wait is associated to opening a large media player such as Windows Media Player or PowerDVD"? |
| 10:23.02 | PieD | sorry, we don't use windows here |
| 10:23.03 | Rudd-O | how can ANYONE like to watch a vid in a small cumbersome full of unrelated controls window? |
| 10:23.20 | Rudd-O | which, by the way, cannot play Windows Media or other common formats, besides MPEG? |
| 10:23.29 | PieD | yes, it can |
| 10:23.36 | PieD | try before lying |
| 10:23.50 | Rudd-O | well, you got me baffled. My konq does NOT play WMV files. |
| 10:23.55 | PieD | YOUR |
| 10:24.07 | Rudd-O | whereas my mplayer does. Although it plays them with shitty quality =( |
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| 10:24.12 | PieD | because you don't use the right kpart |
| 10:24.19 | PieD | kmplayer is the solution |
| 10:24.31 | Rudd-O | because you don't use the right kpart <- why should I as a regular user care about what the hell is a KPart? |
| 10:25.03 | PieD | off course he doesn't |
| 10:25.08 | PieD | that's the distro job |
| 10:25.11 | Rudd-O | thing is, and we're way off track here, |
| 10:25.16 | PieD | mandrake 10.0 did it right |
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| 10:25.33 | PieD | my kubuntu did it right too |
| 10:25.41 | Rudd-O | (MDK did it right by stomping on patent legislation which is illegal in most of the world, sadly) |
| 10:25.48 | Rudd-O | konq should *not* be used to view files. |
| 10:25.53 | PieD | no |
| 10:25.59 | PieD | I installed win32codecs manually |
| 10:26.04 | PieD | using PLF |
| 10:26.14 | PieD | stop speaking about things you don't know |
| 10:26.49 | Rudd-O | PieD, I've been using MDK far, far longer than you've using Linux altogether |
| 10:27.06 | Rudd-O | I stopped at 9.2 altogether, for the bugs. |
| 10:27.07 | PieD | they respect the laws here |
| 10:27.12 | PieD | I stopped with 10.0 |
| 10:27.18 | PieD | and beginned with 7.2 |
| 10:27.19 | Rudd-O | I've done several apps |
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| 10:27.29 | Rudd-O | don't come say I'm unaware of the things I'm speaking |
| 10:27.38 | PieD | sorry what you said is wrong ! |
| 10:27.41 | PieD | "[12:25:36] <Rudd-O> (MDK did it right by stomping on patent legislation which is illegal in most of the world, sadly)" |
| 10:27.56 | PieD | mdk is making some things hard for users because they respect legislation |
| 10:28.00 | Rudd-O | konq simply has too many controls, menu items, and buttons to be an efficient video player, PDF viewer, or whatever you'd like to see as a regular user. |
| 10:28.07 | PieD | no, it hasn't |
| 10:28.24 | PieD | show me an user lost in konq. I never saw such users |
| 10:28.30 | Rudd-O | yes, MDK is stomping on patent legislation, regarding MPEG layer three, indeed, my friend. |
| 10:29.01 | Rudd-O | show me an user lost in konq. I never saw such users <- we're six, here at the office. three of them find konqueror unwieldy. |
| 10:29.21 | PieD | I've got about 10 KDE users, none is lost by konqueror |
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| 10:29.43 | Rudd-O | <PieD> I've got about 10 KDE users, none is lost by konqueror <- great! That's not what we're seeing over here. |
| 10:30.03 | Rudd-O | in fact, one of the first things I disable when I sit down at a user's profile is the embedded viewing of shit. |
| 10:30.35 | Rudd-O | half the time they wanna view pictures and stuff, and they become angry because the picture simply does not open in a separate window, which angers people because they cannot see the entire picture without maximizing konqueror |
| 10:31.16 | Rudd-O | and don't get me started on videos! unless you're watching 100x75 500KB porn flicks, you'd like to see the video full screeen. What's got konqueror to do with that? |
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| 10:31.35 | PieD | " half the time they wanna view pictures and stuff, and they become angry because the picture simply does not open in a separate window, which angers people because they cannot see the entire picture without maximizing konqueror" |
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| 10:31.40 | PieD | here I don't have to maximize |
| 10:31.47 | Rudd-O | you want PDFs? You wanna actually READ the PDF without having to scroll horizontally? You wanna navigate the PDF with the thumbnails? Try that with konq! |
| 10:31.48 | PieD | the picture is reduced to the size of the window |
| 10:32.08 | PieD | Rudd-O: you want screenshots of PDFs viewed in konqueror ? |
| 10:32.21 | Rudd-O | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.49 | PieD | then click on the zoom button |
| 10:32.55 | PieD | I've got the same with every picture viewer |
| 10:32.57 | Rudd-O | or for that matter, when you wanna see several pictures in sucession, with the scroll wheel, which is easy with Kuickshow? |
| 10:33.14 | PieD | I switch to "album view" in konqueror |
| 10:33.20 | Rudd-O | then click on the zoom button <- do that when you're inspecting design shots for a client's web page, and you'll go insane after seeing maybe three or four pictures. |
| 10:33.21 | PieD | or I split the window |
| 10:33.44 | Rudd-O | or maybe I'm wrong, and you have 1600x1200 displays over there. |
| 10:33.44 | PieD | perhaps, I never click, shortcuts are easy to learn for such things |
| 10:34.14 | Rudd-O | ....ts are easy to learn for such things? <- for which things? |
| 10:35.02 | PieD | zoom shortcut is standard, and quite natural |
| 10:35.08 | PieD | Ctrl + + or Ctrl + - |
| 10:35.13 | Rudd-O | point is, a file manager is a file manager is a file manager. Specializing in one task is bound to make the task simpler to perform. |
| 10:35.34 | PieD | konq does a really good job in file managing |
| 10:35.35 | Rudd-O | PieD, don't be silly. If you want to see the entire picture, it's much, much easier to open it with a standalone viewer. |
| 10:35.43 | PieD | no that's the same |
| 10:35.48 | PieD | I've got the same toolbars ! |
| 10:36.34 | Rudd-O | konq does a really good job in file managing <- I beg to differ. It's slow, it's unwieldy, with too many options, and its tendency to open things embedded means most of the time you'll be looking at the stuff you wanna see in a reduced window, instead of using the entire screen which is much better. |
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| 10:37.19 | Rudd-O | you may have the same toolbars, you may have the same short cuts, but you WILL have it open in a small window which usually is not maximized, and has a sidebar, and has two or three rows of toolbar buttons, plus the usual menu bar. |
| 10:37.21 | PieD | Rudd-O: are you using KDE 2.0 ? |
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| 10:37.36 | Rudd-O | Rudd-O: are you using KDE 2.0 ? <- 3.4.1 FYI |
| 10:37.46 | PieD | 3.4.2 here |
| 10:38.07 | b0xy | so nobody knows how to make KDE start automatically when i boot my box? |
| 10:38.17 | PieD | and konq has only one thing using room in its window that my picture viewer doesn't have : the tab bar |
| 10:38.23 | Rudd-O | b0xy, you're using debian? |
| 10:38.24 | PieD | b0xy: what distribution ? |
| 10:38.37 | b0xy | debian |
| 10:38.52 | Rudd-O | ... that my picture viewer doesn't have : the tab bar <- and that's useful for what, in the context of viewing pictures? |
| 10:38.52 | PieD | installing kdm should be enough, shouldn't it ? |
| 10:39.10 | PieD | I can view other pictures without overloading my taskbar |
| 10:39.16 | Rudd-O | (coz as far as I know, you can switch among pictures by using the taskbar, something that Konq's tabs actually preclude you from doing) |
| 10:39.20 | PieD | or view the picture in its context (a webpage for instance) |
| 10:39.54 | Rudd-O | (kdm is not going to cut it, he'll need to start it on bootup, something I do not know how to do in debian) |
| 10:40.23 | Rudd-O | all you're offering are workarounds for the fact that opening a picture in konq is going to show the picture in a small form factor or in a small window which you need to scroll. |
| 10:40.56 | PieD | Rudd-O: it's not smaller than in kview or gwenview |
| 10:40.58 | Rudd-O | look at the nautilus guys, they also had embedding, and now they're moving away from it, because it may be "cool", but it is simply not as useful as viewing stuff in a standalone viewer. |
| 10:41.12 | Rudd-O | hell, even microsoft dropped its quick view shit as soon as they noticed people weren't using it. |
| 10:41.18 | PieD | they do the usual gnome job: removing features |
| 10:41.28 | Rudd-O | Rudd-O: it's not smaller than in kview or gwenview <- why are you discussing the undiscussable and undisputable? |
| 10:41.47 | Rudd-O | I can send you ten screenshots right now, but somehow I got the feeling it won't change your mind. |
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| 10:42.02 | Rudd-O | because there will always be a "maximize" or "use a shortcut" response from you. |
| 10:42.22 | Rudd-O | which is exactly what people don't wanna be doing: they wanna work, not manage their workspace. |
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| 10:43.00 | PieD | I work, I don't care about the settings which were saved the first time I saw a picture |
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| 10:43.18 | Rudd-O | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.26 | Rudd-O | "settings saved" <- when? |
| 10:44.12 | Rudd-O | too many implied things in this conversation. |
| 10:44.13 | PieD | first time I saw a picture using the gwenview kpart, I clicked on the icon to have the picture to fit the window if needed |
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| 10:44.53 | Rudd-O | tell you what... you keep using konq the way you're doing right now, and we'll see whether konq actually goes in the direction I'm telling you it's gonna, or not. |
| 10:44.56 | VirUZI | Rudd-O: you know you can get konq to always use external programs quite easily, right? |
| 10:45.20 | Rudd-O | Rudd-O: you know you can get konq to always use external programs quite easily, right? <- yes. I'd be stupid if I didn't. |
| 10:45.21 | Rudd-O | but |
| 10:45.34 | Rudd-O | 1. you got to do that for EACH and EVERY file type you wanna configure. |
| 10:45.37 | PieD | Rudd-O: if konq go to the nautilus way, I'm ready to fork, and I'm sure I won't be alone |
| 10:45.49 | Rudd-O | 2. you need to be practically a rocket scientist to figure that oout without anyone telling you. |
| 10:46.12 | Rudd-O | ...I'm ready to fork, and I'm sure I won't be alone <- like the GONEME folks? We all know how that went. =) |
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| 10:46.22 | PieD | Rudd-O: you don't have to do that with every file type |
| 10:46.44 | Rudd-O | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.44 | PieD | there is the "all" type |
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| 10:47.00 | Rudd-O | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.21 | Rudd-O | and if you alter the "all" type, you'll affect web browsing and folder viewing as well. |
| 10:47.50 | Rudd-O | and, let's pretend regular users will know that since the minute they're born |
| 10:48.14 | Rudd-O | fact is, a Sun usability study proved this "embedded" viewing was a bad idea. |
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| 10:48.43 | PieD | Rudd-O: I suppose you've got a link to that study ? |
| 10:48.47 | Rudd-O | with more than half of the test subjects wondering how to go from embedded viewing to actually USING the file |
| 10:48.51 | Rudd-O | wanna check the study? |
| 10:49.14 | Rudd-O | it's actually about nautilus and its embedded viewing feature. which was like konqueror's, only in GNOME. |
| 10:49.31 | PieD | Rudd-O: I want to see it |
| 10:49.37 | crispynix-v6 | Rudd-O: left click for embedded, middle click for external. what's the fuss? |
| 10:49.56 | Rudd-O | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.27 | crispynix-v6 | so you'd prefer left click default external and mclick for embedded? simple change. |
| 10:50.46 | Rudd-O | http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report/file_management.html |
| 10:51.03 | Rudd-O | (...simple change. <- yes, it's a simple change. so why not make it the default?) |
| 10:51.16 | Rudd-O | Quote from the study: "Is this an OS or an app? Is it more than web browsing? It acts like a browser. The menus look like a browser..." |
| 10:51.21 | crispynix-v6 | because some people might like the current way and are used to it? |
| 10:51.27 | Rudd-O | another quote: "I was confused when the text file opened in a browser type thing." |
| 10:52.11 | Rudd-O | crispynix-v6: "might like the current way and are used to it?" <- some being hundreds of thousands (to be a little exagerative), while the rest being 600 million? sounds reasonable to me" |
| 10:52.35 | Rudd-O | even if KDE's Konq users were five mill, that'd still be an overwhelming minority. |
| 10:53.09 | PieD | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.09 | PieD | "I liked how everything was in the browser. Its very integrated, [it takes me] from the desktop to the web" (P5) |
| 10:53.09 | PieD | "I like it, I don't have to open so many windows." (P3) |
| 10:53.10 | PieD | "Its pretty cool. Very convenient." (P9) |
| 10:53.10 | PieD | "The integration is cool." (P10) |
| 10:53.50 | Rudd-O | you're quoting what happened to be web browsing. You're not quoting the difficulties people faced when they actually stopped *browsing around* and started *using* and performing the tasks they were requested. Read the rest. |
| 10:54.02 | Rudd-O | then come quote stuff. |
| 10:54.14 | Rudd-O | "I would expect to be able to write once the file is opened...I'm not sure [what is happening] exactly." |
| 10:54.18 | Rudd-O | "I can't work..." |
| 10:54.23 | Rudd-O | "I don't know that I like that." |
| 10:54.29 | Rudd-O | Guesses as to why they could not edit the file included: |
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| 10:54.34 | Rudd-O | "It looks like the document is read-only. I expected [this to be] a word processing application." |
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| 10:54.41 | Rudd-O | "Its not the full document, just a representation. I can highlight but not edit. Is this a viewing window?" |
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| 10:54.54 | Rudd-O | "Maybe [the read-only view] is the original file, so you can't overwrite it?" |
| 10:55.04 | PieD | Rudd-O: I didn't reach that paragraph when I pasted things here |
| 10:55.06 | PieD | I'm on it yet |
| 10:55.17 | Rudd-O | face it, this "embedded viewer" shit it's a dead horse, it's been a dead horse since 2001, let's stop beating it. |
| 10:55.42 | Rudd-O | I didn't reach that paragraph when I pasted things here <- I guessed that. |
| 10:55.52 | Rudd-O | 27jsdjskas |
| 10:56.20 | Rudd-O | (shit, sorry, the cellphone does some weird shit to my keyboard. Why is it GSM cellphones interfere with other gadgets?) |
| 10:56.37 | PieD | so the problem is that they can't edit... for me that's more a bug than an usability issue |
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| 10:56.51 | crispynix-v6 | Rudd-O: rather than assuming that all users are stupid, maybe you should consider that some might like the current behavior after learning it. It's consistent: mclick is always open in external prog, lclick is always internal viewer unless set otherwise (or no such view is available) |
| 10:57.02 | Rudd-O | bug? why would it be a bug? do I see any konq views that let you *edit* files? coz if I get to see one, I'm probably on crack. |
| 10:57.17 | PieD | that's a bug for me, it should be allowed |
| 10:57.35 | Rudd-O | Rudd-O: rather than assuming that all users are stupid <- maybe you'd like to rephrase this into: "rather than assuming all users are willing to change their work habits" |
| 10:57.46 | Rudd-O | which, as a matter of fact, most users are not willing to do. |
| 10:58.00 | crispynix-v6 | Rudd-O: so let gnome clone windows and mac, then |
| 10:58.10 | crispynix-v6 | kde can afford to be different =) |
| 10:58.18 | Rudd-O | is this a gnome vs kde match? |
| 10:58.24 | Rudd-O | no, KDE cannot afford to be inferior. |
| 10:58.31 | crispynix-v6 | it's not inferior. |
| 10:58.31 | Rudd-O | let me say it again: INFERIOR |
| 10:58.35 | crispynix-v6 | @_@ |
| 10:58.40 | Rudd-O | besides requiring work habit change (thus wasting muscle memory), |
| 10:58.45 | crispynix-v6 | let me say: TROLL |
| 10:58.48 | Rudd-O | konq is not helping users perform their tasks optimally |
| 10:59.06 | Rudd-O | (dude, don't label me a troll: I've been using KDE since 1.1, and I still prefer it over GNOME.) |
| 10:59.23 | Rudd-O | (yes, 1.1, compiled from source in slackware. Thank god we have RPMs now!) |
| 10:59.45 | Rudd-O | (yes, RPMs were there in 1997. I wasn't up to speed with them in 1997 =( |
| 11:00.13 | qupada | i'm seeing one thing here? why cant there be an option so users can choose the way they want it? or is there already one of those that i'm not seeing and you're debating what should be the default? |
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| 11:00.49 | Rudd-O | viewing a picture in konq is bound to require resize/reflow/scroll. viewing a video in konq is bound to require resizing. actually READING a PDF in konq is bound to require scrolling/maximizing. Let the standalone apps do their job properly, instead of defaulting to inefficient settings. |
| 11:00.50 | now3d | Hi, does anyone know if there is already a feature request to allow full view of filenames in Konqueror Multi Column view please? |
| 11:01.28 | Rudd-O | qupada: there's an option. It's just not the default. Which is suboptimal. |
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| 11:02.23 | Rudd-O | do we actually need to see more serious studies pooh-pooing konqueror before we realize it's not right? |
| 11:02.36 | Rudd-O | lemme rephrase |
| 11:02.45 | Rudd-O | do we actually need to see more serious studies, this time pooh-pooing konqueror before we realize it's not right? |
| 11:03.30 | qupada | fad? |
| 11:03.33 | crispynix-v6 | yep. |
| 11:03.39 | Rudd-O | the problem, crispynix-v6, is that it is not a fad. |
| 11:04.00 | Rudd-O | in order for us to actually sell this stuff to users, we need to prove, in their eyes, that the thing they're about to buy is actually USABLE |
| 11:04.12 | Rudd-O | which gets SO much easier when it, in fact, is more usable. |
| 11:04.14 | crispynix-v6 | KDE isn't trying to "sell" anything. |
| 11:04.24 | Rudd-O | KDE e.V. may not be trying to sell itself |
| 11:04.30 | qupada | i'm with Rudd-O on that one, there is a reason i dont use windows any more, and it's pretty much that. windows is completely unusable and requires too much effort to perform simple tasks |
| 11:04.38 | Rudd-O | I, on the other side, am! |
| 11:04.46 | Rudd-O | and KDE is a hard sell. |
| 11:05.15 | Rudd-O | and I must side with qupada on the issue. Win is much too unusable. |
| 11:05.27 | Rudd-O | simple things are hard, and hard things are impossible |
| 11:05.48 | Rudd-O | at least on KDE I can script my download manager to start at 9PM and stop at 9AM (time when everyone at the office starts work) |
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| 11:06.00 | crispynix-v6 | windows has cron equivalents as well. |
| 11:06.05 | Rudd-O | that would be a no-no on Windows unless the D/L manager actually has that functionality built-in |
| 11:06.31 | crispynix-v6 | I don't like Windows, but still, anything that GNOME and KDE can do, so can Windows and/or some 3rd-party app. |
| 11:06.34 | Rudd-O | crispynix-v6: you're trolling, dude. Prove to me that you can script Windows download managers with the Task scheduler on Windows, and I'll side with you. |
| 11:06.39 | backbone | hello i've a small problem when compile amarok or other program that need qt: http://rafb.net/paste/results/g50NuR99.html, i've a kde-3.4 version, compiled my self |
| 11:06.46 | crispynix-v6 | _I'm_ trolling!? |
| 11:07.39 | Rudd-O | yep. You're saying there are cron equivalents for windows, implying that those cron equivalents afford you the sheer power of UNIX on Windows. They don't. |
| 11:08.01 | crispynix-v6 | Rudd-O: cygwin + cron, if someone must. |
| 11:08.12 | Rudd-O | There's no KAlarm functionality on Windows. There are no means of writing useful scripts. |
| 11:08.15 | qupada | well if we're being honest i brought up the subject of windows |
| 11:08.35 | Rudd-O | again, trolling. You must download a whopping 68 MB of stuff in order to use the MINIMAL amount of cygwin on Windows. |
| 11:08.47 | qupada | but by learning from the mistakes of gnome and windows, kde can only improve |
| 11:09.00 | Rudd-O | nono, qupada, don't apologize, crispynix-v6 is trying to discuss the undisputable. |
| 11:09.10 | crispynix-v6 | Rudd-O: so? your point was that some things are impossible, yet they aren't. |
| 11:09.24 | crispynix-v6 | Rudd-O: dude, you're the one trolling. |
| 11:09.27 | Rudd-O | yes, some things are impossible |
| 11:09.39 | crispynix-v6 | I don't like Windows, but still, anything that GNOME and KDE can do, so can Windows and/or some 3rd-party app. <-- |
| 11:09.40 | Rudd-O | lemme quote one thing we do over here, that's impossible to do on Windows, even server 2003 |
| 11:10.06 | Rudd-O | which is elementary to do with a 50-line script on Linux, downloadable for free over the internet. |
| 11:11.14 | Rudd-O | there is NO way to prioritize interactive traffic over bulk downloads, or do any sort of bandwidth shaping on Windows. We do this over here, actually. We can download stuff over the internet using a 64kbs link, and actually manage remote machines over SSH and browse the web, without experiencing excruciatingly slow waits. |
| 11:11.44 | Rudd-O | there is no way to let your music player start playing at 7:30 AM. I do this every weekday with KAlarm, letting amaroK know it should start playing my music so I wake up. |
| 11:12.05 | crispynix-v6 | Rudd-O: A QoS implementation isn't available for win32? yeah, right, I believe you. |
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| 11:12.37 | Rudd-O | there is no way to let your computer record video with a $20 capture card, to watch TV in deferred hours. I use this to watch Nip/Tuck every thursday afternoon without commercials, instead of watching it wednesday 23h00. |
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| 11:13.04 | Rudd-O | Rudd-O: A QoS implementation isn't available for win32? yeah, right, I believe you <- please get one, then pay me the same amount of money you paid for it in the first place. |
| 11:14.05 | Rudd-O | so I bet you cannot do shit like OSS/Linux users can, every day, without putting up with nagging shareware and virii and all that crap. |
| 11:14.19 | Rudd-O | for free, if you know, and for a fee, if you must. |
| 11:14.44 | Rudd-O | shit, even mIRC is shareware which you have to register! |
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| 11:15.16 | Rudd-O | I call that the "beggar's / poor man's answer" to the problem of not being able to do useful stuff on Windows. |
| 11:15.48 | Rudd-O | oh, I forgot the single most useful use case we take advantage of over here |
| 11:16.37 | Rudd-O | we got roaming desktops. Everyone starts a VNC session in the server, and each user's session stay open for weeks at a time, so when we come back to the office, there's no fuss about who sits where, or even need to leave computers on: our stuff is right there where we left it the last day, and opens in fractions of a second. |
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| 11:17.09 | Rudd-O | I can check my actual office desktop from a customer's location, with a 600kb download for Windows. |
| 11:17.25 | Rudd-O | hell, I can be 500 miles away and still work at my desktop. |
| 11:17.43 | Rudd-O | and now we're looking forward to NX, which will let us work over modem bandwidths. |
| 11:18.05 | Rudd-O | now try that on Windows Server, and lemme pick the tab up |
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| 11:26.30 | qupada | hmmm... midnight has crept up awfully fast. Rudd-O: cheers for reaffirming my hatred of windows |
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| 11:29.41 | jbasilio | anonsvn.kde.org is dead? |
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| 11:42.26 | newtothis2 | What is the optimum time of day/week to ask questions. Is there certain times when key people would be here/ not here? |
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| 11:44.37 | ponto | newtothis2: just ask, and when no one answers ask 8 hours later. |
| 11:45.50 | newtothis2 | Copied question from #kontact....mail question... In kmreaderwin.cpp I would like to consult the kmheaders.cpp to know the serial number or get a pointer to the next/previous messages. This is to allow me to add next/previous buttons on the separate viewer window |
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| 11:46.35 | anisX | hello all |
| 11:46.38 | anisX | greetings |
| 11:47.20 | ponto | newtothis2: this is better asked in #kde-devel |
| 11:47.34 | Supermule | Guys, do you think we're counting kde users in thousands or millions? |
| 11:48.43 | newtothis2 | pronto. I will try there. |
| 11:49.41 | Maneit | Does konqueror in 3.4.2 have popup blocker? |
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| 11:56.52 | PieD | Maneit: yes |
| 11:57.09 | PieD | Configuration > Configure konqueror |
| 11:57.15 | PieD | Java & Javascript => Javascript |
| 11:57.44 | Maneit | yupp. I acctually found it myself. Didn't realise that popups are actually javascripts at first :) |
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| 11:58.10 | PieD | Maneit: you can't really do popups without javascript or any plugin/script language |
| 11:58.39 | Maneit | Okay. Thansk! :) |
| 11:59.06 | Maneit | Wow. I can't even write today :p |
| 12:07.39 | AL13N | crispynix-v6: it would be more usefull if the dropdownbox wouldn't appear when using backspace, but it would stay if it were still there and refresh |
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| 12:08.42 | Maneit | PieD: Do you know if I can change the orientation of the konqueror tab-bar? I want it at the bottom :-) |
| 12:08.54 | PieD | I don't know, sorry |
| 12:08.59 | PieD | I don't think it's possible |
| 12:09.01 | Maneit | okay :) |
| 12:09.03 | Maneit | Me neither |
| 12:09.07 | PieD | report a bug |
| 12:09.19 | Maneit | yupp. Just want to see if there's one allready made :) |
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| 12:10.04 | tenco | are there any bugreporting apps for kde? |
| 12:10.18 | tenco | like bugbuddy for gnome? |
| 12:11.39 | PieD | tenco: Help > Report bug |
| 12:11.44 | PieD | in most KDE apps |
| 12:11.50 | tenco | ah, ok |
| 12:13.00 | Maneit | KBugBuster is cool if you want to check if the bug already exists :) |
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| 12:15.04 | tenco | Maneit: ok. |
| 12:15.06 | tenco | bye |
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| 12:34.10 | Andrew`` | HI all |
| 12:35.16 | Andrew`` | I have just updated to KDE 3.4 and when I now log in.. underneath the login box there's a bunch of messages which look like errors... is there a way to find out what I need to do to fix these? |
| 12:36.25 | Rudd-O | i'd suggest you use the ALT key while dragging the body of the windows to see the error msg. assuming that you cannot get to read them because they are behind the login box. |
| 12:36.43 | Andrew`` | is there a log file produced from this? |
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| 12:44.09 | Rudd-O | yes |
| 12:44.13 | Rudd-O | .xsession-errors in your home directory |
| 12:44.20 | Rudd-O | but it usually contains only errors *after* starting the session |
| 12:44.34 | Rudd-O | you could .... nah, forget about it, dumb idea I just thought |
| 12:44.38 | Rudd-O | what does the error msg say?= |
| 12:48.29 | Andrew`` | theres afew.. I can reboot and write them down if you like |
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| 12:51.18 | Rudd-O | if you'd like and you can get the message, lemme know to see if I can help. Write whatever the titlebar for the err msgbox says too. |
| 12:51.30 | Andrew`` | http://rafb.net/paste/results/XZhZcS27.html is a copy of my xsessions |
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| 12:51.50 | Andrew`` | hang on I will reboot |
| 12:52.03 | Rudd-O | (oh, for the record, I have no web access over here. Our provider forces every1 to use a transparent proxy and the proxy is completely fucked) |
| 12:52.08 | Rudd-O | oops he's gone |
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| 13:08.17 | Andrew`` | Rudd-O: the error messages say:linux kernel SFW2 OUT ERROR IN = OUT = eth0 SRC = 192.168.0.2 DST=195.135.221.132 Len=52 plus some more I cfb writing |
| 13:08.30 | Rudd-O | that is a problem with your network interface |
| 13:08.45 | Rudd-O | those errors are coming directly from the kernel |
| 13:08.56 | Andrew`` | do I need to update the kernel? |
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| 13:09.24 | Blissex | Andrew``: no. |
| 13:11.15 | Rudd-O | not right away |
| 13:11.21 | Rudd-O | those are errors in your network interface |
| 13:11.38 | Rudd-O | usually when the hardware has a problem, or may be CBQ or TC which are prompting errors. |
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| 13:11.44 | Rudd-O | you're using the bandwidth shaper Wondershaper? |
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| 13:11.54 | Andrew`` | no |
| 13:12.01 | Andrew`` | not that I know of |
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| 13:13.25 | Rudd-O | then it's a problem with your network interface. Not to worry, those aren't panics and stuff, so you can keep going on merrily. what's the titlebar in the msgbox? |
| 13:15.21 | Andrew`` | ermmm... forgot to get that... |
| 13:15.25 | Andrew`` | lemme try again |
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| 13:29.34 | El_Rey | hi, how can i start programs from shell scripts with kde showing that funny jumping icon? i need it, so the user recognizes that the program is already starting. |
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| 13:34.19 | Rudd-O | uhhh.... have no idea =( |
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| 13:35.49 | Andrew`` | grrrrr... now there was some different messages... |
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| 13:36.07 | Andrew`` | surely there is a file with these messages in it? |
| 13:36.26 | Andrew`` | the title at the top of the box say welcome to linux at linux |
| 13:37.34 | Andrew`` | and it was funny.. I had to reload the NVIDIA driver... |
| 13:37.38 | Andrew`` | so i did... |
| 13:37.56 | Andrew`` | then tried to startx... and it opened with FVWM... how ... I have no idea |
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| 13:38.59 | Andrew`` | and.. I have to sleep... |
| 13:39.14 | Andrew`` | will try to be back tomorrow |
| 13:39.19 | Andrew`` | goodnight all |
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| 14:05.13 | artemio | hello everybody! |
| 14:05.28 | artemio | i have a Q possibly to mandriva users, but maybe not |
| 14:06.03 | artemio | when in KMail i select Tools -> Address book, Kontact fires up with address book, but is there a way to make Kaddressbook start on alone? |
| 14:06.19 | luminerd | Hi Dr. Nick! |
| 14:06.30 | luminerd | (in response to artemio's "hello everybody!" |
| 14:06.32 | luminerd | ) |
| 14:06.46 | artemio | my name is Dr. Dick, not Nick! |
| 14:06.52 | artemio | or Dr. Kick |
| 14:06.53 | artemio | ;-) |
| 14:07.00 | pinotree | artemio: yes, execute kaddressbook |
| 14:07.14 | pinotree | of select Kmenu -> Office -> Addressbook |
| 14:08.19 | artemio | that's the problem, when I say "kaddressbook" in Konsole, I have addresss book launched in Kontact, not on alone |
| 14:08.34 | pinotree | uh? sure? |
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| 14:08.42 | artemio | of course |
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| 14:39.55 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 14:40.37 | da_bon_bon | in kde, 3.4.0, i maybe made some mistake, and now, in all file chooser and konqueror window, the back button is there, but the icon "<-" is not there |
| 14:40.42 | da_bon_bon | which file am i missing ? |
| 14:40.44 | da_bon_bon | some png file ? |
| 14:40.49 | da_bon_bon | or maybe some wrong perms ? |
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| 14:44.01 | oever | hi! (konversation took me here) |
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| 15:19.06 | donofrio | whhen for beta of 3.4? |
| 15:19.13 | pinotree | ? |
| 15:19.14 | donofrio | 3.5 i meant |
| 15:19.30 | annma | soon |
| 15:19.37 | annma | you have the alpha |
| 15:20.08 | apokryphos | donofrio: current release schedule: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-release-plan.html |
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| 15:28.57 | Flendor | Evening. |
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| 15:42.08 | Unbeliever | how can i start klipper everytime my system boots? |
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| 15:42.39 | grepster | Unbeliever: save the session with it running |
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| 15:42.52 | Unbeliever | oh ok |
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| 15:59.27 | greeneg | hi *. any info on when anonsvn will be back up? |
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| 16:00.00 | annma | hmmm, no |
| 16:00.49 | grepster | probably not anon |
| 16:00.52 | grepster | :P |
| 16:01.22 | greeneg | I keep getting a connction time out from the box when I try to connect. Ah well, I guess I'll just wait a while..... |
| 16:01.39 | __jahu__ | greeneg: yep, same here.. |
| 16:02.16 | annma | I heard it was down, yes |
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| 16:14.50 | oever | never run /list in konversation! |
| 16:15.05 | pinotree | eheh |
| 16:16.28 | oever | how can one find channels with konversation |
| 16:16.34 | EasterSunshine | oever: i learned that the hard way... |
| 16:16.43 | oever | or are there beter kde irc clients |
| 16:16.56 | oever | EasterSunshine: why do you think i was gone suddenly |
| 16:17.07 | oever | really silly |
| 16:17.15 | EasterSunshine | oever: well its not like i knew you did list...i just got here |
| 16:17.16 | oever | i'm sure the developer's done this too |
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| 16:17.33 | EasterSunshine | konversation doesn't seem to open a new thread to catch the list packets |
| 16:18.11 | oever | EasterSunshine: i wasn't being rude, just telling you what i'd done |
| 16:18.30 | oever | oh well, i'll have to work around it |
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| 16:18.40 | EasterSunshine | oever: oh sry i must have misread it....minor misunderstanding |
| 16:18.40 | bartden | hi, i cant use kaffeine or other multimedia programs, i keep getting /dev/dsp is busy |
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| 16:19.59 | lauri | set arts to exit on idle, or use your operating system facilities to point arts to a different dsp device, if you have such a possibility, or you can do similar things with alsa's dmix I believe, but I don't know how |
| 16:20.11 | lauri | or have your application output it's sound to arts |
| 16:20.31 | lauri | or if arts isn't the thing that's using your sound device (for instance, you have xmms running) close that first before running them |
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| 16:23.38 | bartden | but how can i make more dsp files lauri |
| 16:23.59 | bartden | looks like there are more the one, but only /dev/dsp links to /dev/sound/dsp |
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| 16:48.51 | Frederick | is klogo 100% standart logo compatible? |
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| 16:50.27 | pinotree | Frederick: klogo? |
| 16:51.13 | Frederick | pinotree, kde envoirment for logo |
| 16:51.23 | pinotree | kturtle? |
| 16:52.01 | Frederick | pinotree, yes, sorry my fault |
| 16:52.09 | pinotree | well, no |
| 16:52.23 | pinotree | it has an own syntax, similar to logo |
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| 16:54.24 | honschu | What is the kde devel irc channel named? |
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| 16:54.40 | Frederick | pinotree, does it have a guide? |
| 16:55.06 | pinotree | Frederick: sure, in its handbook there's a programmer guide, with a command reference |
| 16:56.33 | Frederick | pinotree, I got it from google thx alot |
| 16:56.56 | pinotree | Frederick: oh, no need, there's the online version of kde handbooks |
| 16:57.10 | Frederick | pinotree, where? |
| 16:57.39 | pinotree | Frederick: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdeedu/kturtle/ |
| 16:58.42 | Frederick | thx a lot |
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| 16:59.26 | pinotree | Frederick: btw: do you like kturtle? |
| 16:59.31 | pinotree | and kde-edu? ;-) |
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| 17:16.04 | blikar | I am seeking a good KDE panel applet for network activity (similiar to the M$ one) |
| 17:16.22 | blikar | tried ktraynetworker, but it fails to load... |
| 17:16.42 | motoom | Do you use the incremental filename search facility in Konquerors filemanagement view, to speed up file selection? Then wish #111165 might interest you: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111165 |
| 17:17.11 | blikar | Using debian + kde 3.3 |
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| 17:19.49 | Vicy | anyone experiencing gtk app menus not getting highlighted when in KDE ? |
| 17:20.33 | avuton | Is there a way to search through bookmarks yet? |
| 17:21.03 | grepper | in the bookmark editor |
| 17:21.26 | avuton | nice :) thanks |
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| 17:35.50 | _poison | hi ^^ |
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| 17:41.30 | Danfisica | T |
| 17:42.17 | _poison | I'm trying to use k3b 0.12.3 on linux 2.6.12.4 without ide-scsi .... but when I'm trying to add /dev/hdd I get: Could not find an additional device at /dev/hdd ... I can burn using cdrecord ... =/ anybody having similar problems ? |
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| 18:09.39 | oever | test.. |
| 18:10.03 | pinotree | test: ok ;-) |
| 18:10.15 | oever | jep |
| 18:10.22 | oever | one of the channels is dead |
| 18:10.26 | oever | but this one's fine |
| 18:10.40 | oever | thought it might be due to laptop hibernation |
| 18:10.41 | pinotree | "It's dead, Jim" |
| 18:11.08 | oever | but not as... quote caugth |
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| 18:28.39 | illogic-al | it will not be missed :-D |
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| 18:54.49 | texnofobix | i have no clue what setMainWidget() did or does |
| 18:54.50 | texnofobix | lol |
| 18:54.59 | texnofobix | i know its a function |
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| 18:55.54 | PhilRod | texnofobix: #kde-devel would be a good place to ask |
| 18:56.01 | texnofobix | so would google |
| 18:56.05 | texnofobix | :P |
| 18:56.07 | texnofobix | i'm lazy |
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| 18:56.20 | texnofobix | actually more busy than lazy but anyway |
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| 18:57.22 | grepper | it sets the main widget :P |
| 19:02.41 | texnofobix | have fun |
| 19:02.44 | texnofobix | ty |
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| 19:06.45 | antibios | hey guys, does anyone know if something is wrong with the svn://anonsvn.kde.org? i can't seem to get on |
| 19:09.22 | illogic-al | yes. something is wrong with it |
| 19:09.26 | illogic-al | it is teh down. |
| 19:09.39 | PhilRod | hey illogic-al :-) |
| 19:09.49 | antibios | cool thanks |
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| 19:19.55 | PenguinPlayer | hey guys, im trying to watch a dvd with mplayer. i have no audio |
| 19:19.57 | PenguinPlayer | any idea? |
| 19:20.17 | annma | hmmm |
| 19:20.23 | annma | why not try xine? |
| 19:20.36 | PenguinPlayer | been having problems with xine to watch a dvd |
| 19:20.43 | annma | never had |
| 19:20.43 | htedrom | hey anyone here use totem? |
| 19:20.44 | ArmedKing | i wanted to say the same why not xine |
| 19:20.44 | yassine | or kaffeine |
| 19:20.46 | PenguinPlayer | i should try at least one last time |
| 19:20.58 | hydrogen | or codeine |
| 19:21.00 | hydrogen | or ... |
| 19:21.04 | madpenguin8 | maybe your sound card is blocked by arts, or is configured wrong |
| 19:21.07 | annma | PenguinPlayer: what distro? |
| 19:21.16 | PenguinPlayer | suse 9.3 amd64 |
| 19:21.28 | annma | hmmm |
| 19:21.28 | htedrom | anyone know where totem keeps its wind32 codecs? i'm trying to watch a wmv |
| 19:21.37 | annma | did you ask in #suse? |
| 19:21.40 | htedrom | i downloaded the xine ones, but don't know where to put em |
| 19:22.09 | PenguinPlayer | yaeh, they said ask kde channel |
| 19:22.20 | htedrom | lol |
| 19:22.53 | PenguinPlayer | i dunno |
| 19:22.53 | htedrom | any ideas on my q? |
| 19:23.05 | PenguinPlayer | im trying xine again |
| 19:23.15 | PenguinPlayer | had to change some of my installation sources |
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| 19:23.21 | tenco | hi |
| 19:23.22 | PenguinPlayer | so i could get current builds |
| 19:23.28 | tenco | i have probs with kiel |
| 19:23.32 | tenco | s/kiel/kile/ |
| 19:23.51 | tenco | cant compile the latex document i wrote |
| 19:24.04 | annma | compile/ |
| 19:24.44 | PenguinPlayer | is gxine the equal to xine-ui? |
| 19:25.04 | tenco | annma: i cant. |
| 19:25.14 | annma | duno, I use xine-ui and that's perfectly OK |
| 19:25.27 | PenguinPlayer | i'll find out |
| 19:25.31 | annma | tenco: try the command line |
| 19:25.48 | tenco | annma: it works on the cl |
| 19:25.54 | tenco | annma: but not in kile |
| 19:25.59 | annma | then your kile is messed |
| 19:26.07 | annma | what kde version? what distro? |
| 19:26.49 | annma | tenco: what kde version? what distro? |
| 19:27.03 | tenco | annma: 3.4.2 |
| 19:27.10 | tenco | annma: kubuntu (debian) |
| 19:27.11 | annma | distro? |
| 19:27.37 | annma | and nothing is working in your kile? not the shortest doc? |
| 19:28.10 | tenco | annma: the handbook works |
| 19:28.28 | annma | and the shortest latex code/ |
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| 19:29.27 | tenco | annma: and viewdvi also doesnt work (Alt-3) |
| 19:30.03 | annma | can you try the shortest latex script? |
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| 19:30.27 | tenco | i just made a new script with the wizard -> doesnt work |
| 19:31.17 | annma | how do you check what packages are installed on your distro? |
| 19:31.26 | PhilRod | tenco: I assume your latex toolchain is all set up correctly? |
| 19:31.30 | hydrogen | depends on the distro |
| 19:31.33 | hydrogen | oh |
| 19:31.40 | PhilRod | hey annma - long time no see. Hope you had a good holiday :-) |
| 19:31.52 | annma | PhilRod: hi! yes, marvellous |
| 19:32.02 | tenco | PhilRod: yes |
| 19:32.05 | tenco | works now |
| 19:32.09 | tenco | but i dont know why. |
| 19:32.09 | annma | how do you check what packages are installed on your distro, tenco ? |
| 19:32.22 | annma | ah |
| 19:32.23 | tenco | or what i have done different this time #-( |
| 19:32.33 | annma | solved! |
| 19:32.36 | tenco | just closed it and started it again |
| 19:32.42 | annma | I said some incantations |
| 19:32.47 | annma | that's why |
| 19:33.48 | tenco | hmm, thanks anyway :) |
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| 19:47.34 | Julianyus | hi |
| 19:55.30 | htedrom | hi |
| 20:01.27 | illogic-al | PhilRod: hey. sorry 'bout the delayed reaction. was on the phone. |
| 20:01.33 | illogic-al | reminiscing. |
| 20:01.36 | illogic-al | 'tis fun |
| 20:02.29 | annma | hmm, anyone knows the Thai language? |
| 20:02.44 | annma | precisely, how Thai fonts are used in Kate for example/ |
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| 20:13.53 | taw | how can i make konqueror use gecko for display (on kubuntu) ? |
| 20:14.37 | PhilRod | I don't think there's a (stable) way to do that |
| 20:14.59 | Octane | damn svn still down huh |
| 20:15.30 | ^marcs | Octane: kde's svn? |
| 20:15.36 | Octane | yes |
| 20:15.39 | Octane | anonsvn.kde.org |
| 20:16.03 | ^marcs | what so cool there that you hunting for it ? |
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| 20:16.34 | Octane | ^marcs: kopete |
| 20:16.46 | Octane | my latest version (from 2 days ago) crashes on start :) |
| 20:17.09 | ^marcs | hrhr also from snv? |
| 20:17.11 | annma | Octane: oh? |
| 20:17.19 | annma | Octane: mine is 2 days old |
| 20:17.23 | Octane | annma: you use AIM? |
| 20:17.25 | annma | do you have a bt? |
| 20:17.33 | annma | ah, of kopete |
| 20:17.38 | annma | I thought of kde |
| 20:17.45 | annma | no, I don't use AIM |
| 20:17.55 | annma | did you ask in #kopete? |
| 20:18.28 | Octane | yes, i submitted a bug :) |
| 20:18.49 | annma | with a backtrace? |
| 20:19.05 | oever | how to configure kdevelop project for qt4? where to set qtdir? |
| 20:19.37 | oever | or complete path for qmake? |
| 20:20.18 | annma | path is to set in Project options if I remember correctly |
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| 20:21.18 | oever | one can set the name of the make executable, but that different |
| 20:21.29 | annma | ? |
| 20:21.36 | annma | I speak of qt |
| 20:21.55 | annma | with qmake I don't know though |
| 20:22.07 | annma | do you set your QTDIR var before running kdevelop? |
| 20:22.26 | oever | u mean qtdir? |
| 20:22.39 | oever | well, i could set qtdir before starting develop i guess |
| 20:22.43 | annma | oever: new to qt devel? |
| 20:22.56 | annma | I mean QTDIR |
| 20:22.59 | annma | not qtdir |
| 20:23.16 | oever | a got it! |
| 20:23.19 | annma | Octane: where is your crash? |
| 20:23.30 | oever | i set qtdir in the make env options |
| 20:23.33 | Octane | annma: as soon as i start (autoconnect to aim) |
| 20:23.39 | oever | no am not new :-) |
| 20:23.43 | annma | and only to AIM |
| 20:23.49 | Octane | yes |
| 20:23.52 | annma | Messenger is OK here |
| 20:23.58 | oever | just switching between vim and kdevelop now and then |
| 20:24.27 | oever | am porting some apps of mine now |
| 20:24.33 | oever | quite a lot of work |
| 20:24.39 | oever | api's really changed |
| 20:24.44 | annma | use the qt script |
| 20:24.50 | oever | some of it makes sense |
| 20:24.56 | annma | it does some job |
| 20:24.57 | oever | i like the foreach |
| 20:25.01 | annma | yes |
| 20:25.11 | annma | I did not port my apps yet |
| 20:25.17 | annma | I just had a look |
| 20:25.23 | oever | hmm, i don't really like the qt script |
| 20:25.44 | oever | i used it on my cubetest app and it messed up some classes |
| 20:25.49 | annma | it does some stuff for you |
| 20:25.55 | annma | yeah? |
| 20:26.03 | annma | hmm |
| 20:26.06 | oever | not really bad, just annoying |
| 20:26.15 | annma | I think we all used it in kde |
| 20:26.34 | oever | i had some classes that had similar names to qt stuff and the script got confused |
| 20:26.46 | annma | oh, I see |
| 20:26.54 | oever | also i want to port propper, without qt3support |
| 20:27.21 | oever | but in the end i needed it anyway, because it contains the svg functionality |
| 20:27.32 | oever | and qt4 proper doesn't have svg support |
| 20:27.58 | oever | but some parts of my code were cleaner afterwards |
| 20:28.14 | oever | partly due to yet another look at the code and partly due to saner api |
| 20:28.36 | oever | but what i really don't like or misunderstand in qt4 is the layout stuff |
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| 20:28.52 | oever | it used to be dead-easy to add children to widgets |
| 20:28.55 | annma | I did not look at it properly |
| 20:28.59 | annma | yes |
| 20:29.07 | oever | now you have to add them to the layouts.. |
| 20:29.15 | oever | and qhbox and qvbox are gone |
| 20:29.20 | oever | well, into qt3support |
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| 20:30.21 | oever | and since i do must of my laying out with them, that's affected my code quite a bit |
| 20:31.08 | annma | yes |
| 20:32.31 | annma | youcan ask in #qt if you eed specific help |
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| 20:32.47 | oever | yeah i guess i will do that |
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| 20:58.57 | robin | hi, what's up (or down) with KDE's svn servers? |
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| 21:00.30 | ]grimm[ | I'm having a problem with kicker not stopping when I exit X. It doesn't happen all of the time, but more often than not, I find that kicker starts to consume all of my cpu when I exit X. Does anyone know what might be the problem? |
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| 21:15.54 | Adylas | Hello, When I start my KDE , in logs , I got a lots of "QFile::open: No file name specified" .. It spam infinitly .. Someone got an idea ? Thanks |
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| 21:20.11 | Adylas | I know its a "comon" error , but its very hard to search about it .. because its very common .. |
| 21:21.57 | PhilRod | Adylas: does everything run normally? |
| 21:22.10 | PhilRod | if so, you can switch off the message with kdebugdialog |
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| 21:23.25 | Adylas | PhilRod, Yeah , all run OK .. But I wonder .. If there is an operation trying to do something , it may slow a bit things |
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| 21:34.01 | MikeW | KDE 3.3, debian sarge. When I go into control center -> Preipherals -> Display, My offered refreshrate max is 75hz. How do I switch to 85hz manually? |
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| 21:41.52 | PhilRod | MikeW: you probably have to play with X modelines in XFree86.conf |
| 21:42.02 | MikeW | where is that file located? |
| 21:42.18 | PhilRod | /etc/X11 usually, though I don't use Debian, so can't say for sure |
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| 21:46.02 | MikeW | oh, I can't edit when kde is running |
| 21:46.14 | MikeW | can't save it I mean |
| 21:46.33 | PhilRod | you should be able to - it just won't update automatically |
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| 21:50.16 | aztennenbaum | hello |
| 21:50.25 | PhilRod | hi |
| 21:50.32 | aztennenbaum | i have a question aboot konsole |
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| 21:50.44 | PhilRod | go ahead :-) |
| 21:51.02 | aztennenbaum | has anyone goten url recognition working w/ konsole? |
| 21:51.49 | aztennenbaum | it the only feature thats keeping me from competely dumping gnome-term |
| 21:52.56 | aztennenbaum | basicly, you can hold down control, and click on a url in the text window, and it will open it up in firefox (or whatever) |
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| 21:54.05 | PhilRod | I don't think such a feature exists in konsole, but you can request it as a wishlist on bugs.kde.org |
| 21:54.08 | PhilRod | ~b.k.o |
| 21:54.08 | apt | b.k.o is probably http://bugs.kde.org, where you can report bugs in KDE, or request features you'd like to see in future versions. Make sure to check that your bug hasn't already been reported |
| 21:56.02 | straw | it's odd. liquid weather (superkaramba) makes a barely audible sound that doesn't come from the speakers when i get details by clicking on an icon |
| 21:56.46 | PhilRod | harddrive access? high network access? |
| 21:57.10 | straw | must be |
| 21:58.01 | PenguinPlayer | anyknow have bellsouth dsl? |
| 22:00.04 | seekHim | anyone know if Kde 3.2 suffers from memory leaks? |
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| 22:02.01 | pinotree | seekHim: wow, it'old |
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| 22:02.06 | pinotree | it's* |
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| 22:02.24 | seekHim | pinotree: Yep. |
| 22:02.25 | PhilRod | morning canllaith :-) |
| 22:02.27 | pinotree | hello canllaith =) |
| 22:02.35 | canllaith | hi guys :) |
| 22:03.07 | canllaith | dial up internet onan old computer with sticky keyboard ew. |
| 22:03.26 | LabThug_hm | Anyone here use kwifimanager that can post their Location file somewhere. I'm having problems getting kubuntu to connect to my AP and webcvs.kde seems down |
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| 22:05.16 | PhilRod | canllaith: is this the IRC equivalent of sending us a "wish you were here" postcard? |
| 22:05.29 | straw | blah. one of the local crack dealers very nearly stole my mountain bike today :/ |
| 22:05.40 | Alethes | it's either that, or she's addicted :) |
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| 22:05.49 | Alethes | bad irc is better than no irc for some :D |
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| 22:06.05 | straw | Alethes: no, i know him ;) |
| 22:06.24 | Alethes | straw: I wasn't even considering your comment heh heh |
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| 22:06.52 | straw | it's all on camera. full colour, recorded to a hard drive :) |
| 22:07.05 | straw | Alethes: oh, sorry |
| 22:07.07 | canllaith | PhilRod: Yes! :) |
| 22:07.09 | Alethes | no prob heh |
| 22:07.17 | Alethes | I thought it was funny how relevant it was :) |
| 22:07.45 | canllaith | It's col, from where I am sitting I ca see theh ouse on the neibouring farm that my partner grow up in |
| 22:07.51 | straw | heheh. i'm going to burn to cd and show it to him |
| 22:07.53 | canllaith | (god this keyboard is ATROCIUS) |
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| 22:08.42 | canllaith | It is yes, I'm not botheringto correct typos |
| 22:09.08 | crispynix-v6 | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110318 <--- anyone feel like confirming (or closing) this two-week-old bug? :p |
| 22:10.53 | MikeW | How do I set my keyboard mapping to dvorak? |
| 22:11.02 | PhilRod | g'night - enjoy your holiday canllaith |
| 22:11.15 | canllaith | MikeW: Kcontrol -> Regional &* Acessibility -> Keyboard layout |
| 22:11.21 | canllaith | PhilRod: thanks =) |
| 22:11.41 | LabThug_hm | anyone know when webcsv.kde.org will be returning? |
| 22:12.19 | MikeW | canllaith: ah, thanks! |
| 22:13.13 | canllaith | LabThug_hm: never |
| 22:13.18 | canllaith | LabThug_hm: try websvn.kde.org |
| 22:13.26 | LabThug_hm | canllaith: gratzie! |
| 22:13.35 | LabThug_hm | now, please inform Google ;-) |
| 22:15.45 | LabThug_hm | hmm, websvn doesn't resolve either |
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| 22:25.45 | c-101 | Hi there |
| 22:26.01 | johnny69 | I am not sure if this is a KDE problem or something else...but I thought I would try here first. .. Problems with the keyboard I think. Weird things happening. In the console, the ¨end¨ and backspace keys don´t work as expected. In Gaim messenger the apostrophe acts bizzare, such that I have to hit it twice in a row to get it to display the character. Other weird things as well. I´m using a defacto IBM standard keyboard (F1 - F12) etc...etc. Any |
| 22:26.02 | johnny69 | ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 22:26.50 | c-101 | seems like you are used the wrong type/map for keyboard |
| 22:26.58 | robin | Hi, i'd like to test some KDM-patches without disturbing the running dm. Is there any reasonable way of doing that? |
| 22:26.58 | qupada | sounds like you might be using a wierd european keyboard layout |
| 22:27.39 | qupada | robin: if you've got 3.4+, just K> switch user> start new session |
| 22:28.17 | johnny69 | c-101: Where to change it ? |
| 22:28.18 | robin | hmm. ok. I'll try that |
| 22:28.29 | c-101 | in the Xserver config file |
| 22:28.36 | johnny69 | running kde 3.4.2/Suse 9.3 |
| 22:28.40 | c-101 | or maybe in the kcontrol module for keyboard |
| 22:28.56 | johnny69 | c-101: I´ll look at both. Thanks |
| 22:29.54 | robin | gotta wait for the patche KDE to compile first |
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| 22:30.13 | johnny69 | c-101: xorg.conf right ? |
| 22:30.18 | c-101 | right |
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| 22:32.20 | johnny69 | c-101: It´s showing pc-104 keyboard. Why am I thinking that shoudl be PC - 101 ?? |
| 22:32.42 | MikeW | How do I access SMB shares? I just installed samba, but I can't access \\machine\ with konqueror, it says its a malformed url |
| 22:32.52 | qupada | that shouldn't be a problem. look for keyboard layout. try 'US' if it's on something else |
| 22:34.07 | johnny69 | THis is what is showing: Driver "kbd" |
| 22:34.08 | johnny69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.08 | johnny69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.08 | johnny69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.56 | qupada | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.02 | qupada | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.02 | qupada | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.02 | qupada | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.30 | qupada | that's all mine has in the section |
| 22:35.31 | pinotree | johnny69, qupada: _please_ use a pastebin |
| 22:36.02 | qupada | duly noted |
| 22:36.46 | johnny69 | qupada: I will try yours |
| 22:37.01 | johnny69 | mine is written as Keyboard[0] instead of keyboard0 |
| 22:37.10 | qupada | dont change that |
| 22:37.34 | qupada | because if it it's referenced elsewhere in the file as keyboard[0] the X server will break |
| 22:38.01 | johnny69 | Well I can try changing mine to 105 and see what it does |
| 22:38.41 | Tilos | MikeW: Try smb://machine |
| 22:38.44 | qupada | i believe 'Option "Protocol" "Standard"' will be implied if not present, so you can probably leave that in |
| 22:38.51 | johnny69 | do you have anything for, xkbdvariant?¨ |
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| 22:40.50 | qupada | doesn't look like it. whole xorg.conf file here http://rafb.net/paste/results/flVnkE85.html |
| 22:41.08 | MikeW | FFS! |
| 22:41.18 | MikeW | I can actually browse the default C$ share over SMB |
| 22:41.21 | MikeW | scary |
| 22:41.34 | johnny69 | Thanks, looking |
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| 22:43.12 | ferlinux | hi |
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| 22:54.37 | c-101 | Hi there |
| 22:54.51 | c-101 | is the anonymous SVN server working for you ? |
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| 22:59.10 | p0z3r | c-101: anon svn is down and so is websvn.kde.org |
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| 22:59.20 | c-101 | and .... why ? |
| 22:59.24 | c-101 | if i may ask... |
| 23:01.51 | *** topic/#kde by illogic-al -> Yes, anon SVN is down. No, we don't know when it will be back up. KDE 3.4.2 is out: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.4.2.php | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ - The answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Preview features guide here: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html |
| 23:01.51 | *** topic/#kde by ChanServ -> KDE 3.4.2 is out: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.4.2.php | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ - The answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Preview features guide here: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html |
| 23:02.02 | illogic-al | oh what the arse. |
| 23:02.26 | illogic-al | thanks for making the topic sticky. very useful. |
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| 23:16.02 | john | hello everyone in the room |
| 23:16.20 | jahbul0n | hello john |
| 23:16.49 | john | hi too |
| 23:16.52 | jahbul0n | i should warn you, this place is often lifeless |
| 23:16.59 | john | are here any linux people in the chat |
| 23:17.13 | jahbul0n | i dunno |
| 23:17.18 | john | oh well i do not chat a lot only if i have some prob |
| 23:18.00 | john | i run on suse9.3 and heve a prob with msn account on copete |
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| 23:18.21 | illogic-al | john: problem? |
| 23:18.23 | grepper | upgrade kopete |
| 23:18.51 | john | im newbie on linux howw can i do it iits my very first day |
| 23:19.58 | robin | Check in Yast for software updates or something like that |
| 23:20.15 | john | i cant find something in copete to upfdate it |
| 23:20.24 | john | thx robin |
| 23:20.29 | Alethes | that'd be kinda cool, actually |
| 23:20.40 | Alethes | Help/Update on every app |
| 23:20.44 | jahbul0n | john, first familiarise yourself with the yast tool |
| 23:21.05 | illogic-al | Alethes: there is help on every app . |
| 23:21.06 | robin | don't look for copete, but kopete |
| 23:21.21 | Alethes | illogic-al: duh. I'm talking about an option on a per app basis for updating it. |
| 23:21.46 | illogic-al | oh. i get what you're saying. |
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| 23:21.52 | john | i have another prob i cant login with my root anymore |
| 23:21.56 | illogic-al | Horrible place for the update entry though |
| 23:22.08 | illogic-al | Help menu that is. |
| 23:22.10 | jahbul0n | john, lol- big mistake. |
| 23:22.18 | Alethes | ok, just an idea, but still, I think it'd be cool to be able to update straight from the app |
| 23:22.22 | illogic-al | john: that's a blessing in disguise |
| 23:22.22 | john | i try to go in yast but says also that its a wrong passwort just like with kopete |
| 23:22.32 | Alethes | kinda like firefox or a lot of other apps do |
| 23:22.49 | illogic-al | oh, you mean you can't su. not a blessing in disguise :-) |
| 23:23.28 | illogic-al | john: if you've forgotten you're root password there's not much you can do :-/ |
| 23:23.54 | john | i dop noit have forgotten it i already entered the root ofter today with this paaaword |
| 23:23.56 | jahbul0n | john, one thing at a time. first try to recover your root password. I dont know how to do it |
| 23:24.11 | jahbul0n | but here's what google says. http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showtopic=14200 |
| 23:24.11 | john | i have it but wont axxept |
| 23:24.48 | jahbul0n | it doesnt take much effort even for a linux n00b which I myself am, to do a simple search. help yourself to it |
| 23:25.55 | john | thx i will go and deal with the prob maybe till a later time |
| 23:26.27 | illogic-al | I'm sorry. I farted. |
| 23:26.47 | illogic-al | I wanna change the topic! |
| 23:26.55 | jahbul0n | oh...so thats why he left. tacit fellow. |
| 23:27.17 | illogic-al | :-D |
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| 23:46.39 | ohad | what does it mean that my mediamanager is not working? how do i start it? |
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| 23:48.23 | illogic-al | ohad: MEDIAMANAGER? |
| 23:48.28 | ohad | yes |
| 23:48.33 | illogic-al | what's that? |
| 23:48.35 | ohad | illissius, and why are you shouting? |
| 23:48.40 | ohad | i don't knowq |
| 23:48.42 | illogic-al | cpas attack |
| 23:48.43 | ohad | know |
| 23:48.46 | illogic-al | caps even |
| 23:49.02 | illogic-al | ohad: what are you calling media manager? |
| 23:49.08 | ohad | is there a good application to mount my digi cam? |
| 23:49.21 | Maneit | ohad: dmesg and mount :p |
| 23:49.27 | illogic-al | hahah |
| 23:49.41 | illogic-al | ohad: digikam maybe |
| 23:49.46 | Maneit | Or i guess digikam |
| 23:50.53 | ohad | i tried that |
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| 23:57.07 | gimbal | anyone know dcop know what a "QString caller" woudl be, and/or how I'd find a value for one? I need it for dcop keditbookmarks-/home/user/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml KBookmarkManager-/home/user/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml notifyCompleteChange <here> |
| 23:57.12 | Tilos | I have a folder fillwed with images, for some reason a preview is unavailable for six of them. Is there any way to make Konq. redo the previews? |
| 23:57.40 | Maneit | F5? |
| 23:58.03 | Tilos | Maneit: No effect. :( |
| 23:58.29 | Maneit | I've seen the same effect, but only when the images are huge.. like > 2mB |
| 23:58.29 | gimbal | upon a similar call, konq accepts a 't' value, like <here>, and evidences a change. keditbookmarks does accept a 't' value for <here> but does not evidence a change. I'm trying to get it to update the list of bookmarks in its display, after they'd be externally edited (e.g. in psgml, heh) |
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| 23:59.12 | Tilos | I think Konq. tried to create the previews when the images were stll not completely copied to the harddrive. I guess it sees the previews as broken. I want to clear out the old previews and make Konq. redo them. |