| 00:00.18 | _poison | hi =) |
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| 00:02.37 | Tm_T | Ringwraith`: ? |
| 00:03.12 | apokryphos | they hateses fire, yes they do, precious. |
| 00:03.26 | Tm_T | Ringwraith`: what about my nick? |
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| 00:16.21 | sredna | Hi _poison, apokryphos |
| 00:16.41 | apokryphos | hey, how's it going? |
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| 00:23.51 | sredna | Mh, better. My website is now working again after moving to a new hosting service, and my kde 3.5 build gets more complete by the minute |
| 00:23.52 | sredna | :) |
| 00:23.55 | sredna | And you? |
| 00:24.13 | apokryphos | nice; the site is looking good :) |
| 00:24.22 | apokryphos | just saw sin city; sub-consciously trying to work it out |
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| 00:24.51 | apokryphos | other part of me is wondering how long I can seed these torrents on my server without cpanel noticing the bandwidth :P |
| 00:25.02 | apokryphos | done at least 70 gigs so far :-O |
| 00:25.41 | sredna | Bittorrent is an amazing principle. Did you read about the inventor in the fortune magazine today? |
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| 00:34.46 | apokryphos | wb |
| 00:34.53 | sredna | Hm, I must have closed ksirc by mistake :o |
| 00:35.05 | annma | lol |
| 00:35.06 | apokryphos | nope, haven't seen the article; read some stuff about the guy -- very interesting |
| 00:35.10 | annma | it's late |
| 00:35.14 | apokryphos | s/about/by/ |
| 00:35.21 | annma | sredna: I bet you fall asleep |
| 00:35.29 | annma | fell |
| 00:35.46 | sredna | annma: Nope, I have been working hard on getting my website moved to a new hosting service |
| 00:35.57 | annma | oh |
| 00:36.07 | annma | don't you ever sleep at all? |
| 00:36.19 | apokryphos | if you snooze you lose |
| 00:36.25 | apokryphos | .....out in the lectures the next day! |
| 00:36.30 | sredna | I'm just finished, and celebrated by uploading my image for today - I have a challenge with myself to take one acceptable photo everyday during this week :) |
| 00:36.41 | apokryphos | ok, that worked badly, but nevermind 8) |
| 00:36.48 | sredna | It's 2:36 here though |
| 00:36.55 | apokryphos | ouch |
| 00:37.18 | annma | I have 2 clocks, one in my time and 1 in Paris time |
| 00:39.13 | sredna | Hm, wonder if I got kworldclock yet |
| 00:39.25 | sredna | Na |
| 00:40.01 | sredna | What do I need to activate the hal stuff? |
| 00:40.23 | annma | hm, no idea |
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| 00:40.49 | _poison | hal i guess ... somewhere on freedesktop.org are the sources |
| 00:41.01 | _poison | havent tried it yet either ^^ |
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| 00:44.36 | cudmore | For the Runaway Process catcher panel applet, what is an appropriate "CPU load threshold" value to put?? I want to stop a kernel overheat from occuring in the future due to non-responsive programs |
| 00:44.47 | sredna | I have recent versions of hal and dbus, and they are running |
| 00:46.02 | sredna | cudmore: Something high. And in the beginning you have to train it to ignore some processes, such as linking and simmilar if you are compiling software |
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| 00:46.46 | _poison | a hal-kde howto would be nice ^^ |
| 00:46.51 | cudmore | yes, will do, and something high.. Like 500/1000?? |
| 00:46.58 | apokryphos | there's one on the wiki, no? |
| 00:47.18 | apokryphos | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS |
| 00:47.33 | apokryphos | it'll probably be incorporated into the kde userguide soon enough |
| 00:47.51 | _poison | apokryphos: hmm ... thanks ... my google skills seem to be weakening ^^ |
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| 00:52.10 | annma | there are treasures on the wiki but hidden and unknown of |
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| 00:55.17 | _poison | annma: somehow wikis are always hard to search ... |
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| 00:56.23 | sredna | Hm, maybe I need to rebuild my kernel |
| 00:57.12 | annma | not tonight! |
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| 00:58.38 | sredna | Nope |
| 00:58.49 | sredna | And it looks like it should be OK btw |
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| 01:15.15 | ChaoticCoyote | In KDE 3.4.3, I'm having some odd lockup-ups during startup if I restore past sessions. I've disable session reloading, but was wondering if anyone else had hit this. Note that the only app being reloaded was Konsole... |
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| 01:17.18 | sredna | ChaoticCoyote: I have had to disable session management once in a while. Due to some odd thing in my configuration, usually caused by a update of KDE |
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| 01:20.24 | ChaoticCoyote | sredna: Yeah, I'd updated to 3.4.3 right before this started happening. If I deleted ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc, KDE will boot. |
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| 01:21.30 | Pupeno | Is there a KDE friendly Debian spinoff, ala kubuntu, but not kubuntu ? |
| 01:21.59 | ChaoticCoyote | Pupeno: Isn;t Knoppix a Debian spin-off? I could be wrong |
| 01:22.35 | Pupeno | ChaoticCoyote: yes, but oriented towards livecd, I don't see it as a good distro for the HD. |
| 01:22.59 | Pupeno | ChaoticCoyote: and in fact, it is debian (not a spin-off) |
| 01:23.08 | Pupeno | last time I checked. |
| 01:23.24 | ChaoticCoyote | Pupeno: I used Knoppix as a rescue/test disk; never tried to install it to the HD, but I know it can be done |
| 01:24.06 | Pupeno | ChaoticCoyote: I know it can be done, but I know it is problematic. I never heard of someone who updated knoppix without reaching chaos. |
| 01:24.32 | Pupeno | The othe possibility is Debian unstable or testing, what would you recommend ? (it is for my notebook). |
| 01:25.03 | ChaoticCoyote | Pupeno: Why not Kubuntu? |
| 01:25.37 | Hobbsee | Pupeno: i recall mepis is similar, and uses kde |
| 01:25.38 | ChaoticCoyote | Pupeno: I wouldn;t put Debian on a notebook myself; been there, done that, went to Ubuntu or Mandrake (Mandriva now) |
| 01:26.19 | Pupeno | ChaoticCoyote: because I had nothing but trouble with it. I don't like their customizations to KDE. But more important than that their wifi drivers suck (they work at random) and the repositories are more time down than up. |
| 01:27.19 | ChaoticCoyote | Pupeno: I haven't found *any* Linux distro that has good wifi support |
| 01:27.31 | sredna | Pupeno: Mephis |
| 01:28.07 | Pupeno | ChaoticCoyote: Gentoo worked, it took half an hour or so to configure (I didn't even know what an essid was when I started) and since then I never had a single problem. |
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| 01:32.08 | ChaoticCoyote | Pupeno: I run Gentoo on my desktop systems, but I'm not certain I want to spend a couple of days compiling it on a laptop. |
| 01:33.03 | Pupeno | ChaoticCoyote: I run it on my laptop for some time, I don't want to do it anymore. But I can't find a replacement that works. |
| 01:33.22 | Pupeno | I'd like the same philosophy of packaging of Gentoo in a binary distro. |
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| 01:34.01 | Pupeno | ok, gotta go. |
| 01:34.06 | Pupeno | see you. |
| 01:34.29 | ChaoticCoyote | Pupeno: You might check out distrowatch.com, which lists every distro known to man |
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| 01:36.48 | furbsd | abiword2 spelling does not work |
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| 01:44.25 | atrius | hello all |
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| 01:45.12 | atrius | has anyone else noticed that mouse scrolling axises seem backward on 3.5 beta2? |
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| 01:59.04 | atrius | anyone around? |
| 02:00.03 | Hobbsee | mmm...think so |
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| 02:01.10 | wotnarg | hrm, kde3.5b2 rocks ;) Especially kopete. |
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| 02:02.11 | atrius | btw, whoever fixed that bloody kdesktop to be xinerama aware (different wallpapers on different screens, and wallpapers respecting screensize) thank you thank you thank you thank you |
| 02:05.00 | qupada | wotnarg: i haven't tried kopete, but everything else is good |
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| 02:06.03 | wotnarg | qupada: yea ;) |
| 02:06.30 | qupada | i've noticed with the plastik theme though that the minimise/maximise/close buttons are too big and i can't make them smaller |
| 02:08.04 | chrisag | The only theme I know you can do that is in smooth blend |
| 02:08.06 | chrisag | and that's pretty sexy. |
| 02:09.30 | qupada | it used to change with the font size of the title bar, but now it's a measured amount bigger no matter at all font sizes and it looks a bit ugly |
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| 02:11.02 | kimo | how can I learn to write kde4's new tray applets? |
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| 02:11.36 | Redb3ard | guys, can kde be made to use other window managers rather than kwin? |
| 02:11.45 | HuntsMan | kimo: you can't, as Plasma hasn't been started yet |
| 02:12.15 | HuntsMan | Redb3ard: yeah, just comment kwin on startkde script and start your WM on that script |
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| 02:13.11 | Redb3ard | ah |
| 02:13.25 | Redb3ard | i like text files.... kept looking for it in kcontrol |
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| 02:14.58 | Redb3ard | whats the --lock argument to kwin doing, just keeping other window managers from running? |
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| 02:15.39 | HuntsMan | Redb3ard: kwin --help sais what that does :) |
| 02:15.57 | Redb3ard | oh |
| 02:16.11 | Redb3ard | sorry, did wmaker --help, didnt see anything analogous |
| 02:17.25 | madpenguin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.00 | Redb3ard | ive finally got kxdocker somewhat working... but alot of the functionality is missing when not running in KDE |
| 02:18.25 | Redb3ard | trying to figure out if any of it can be restored |
| 02:18.31 | madpenguin8 | like? |
| 02:19.31 | Redb3ard | it cant tell which applications are already running, unless in kde... i think wmaker tries to put up nextstep-style appicons |
| 02:19.41 | Redb3ard | and that interferes somehow |
| 02:19.59 | Redb3ard | id rather ditch the app icons (still want to keep my dockapps though) |
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| 02:23.17 | kimo | does anyone know "why" the current compsite is so darn slow ? |
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| 02:31.01 | atrius | i'm wondering if anyone else is having mouse scroll issues with beta2? |
| 02:31.48 | qupada | atrius: working ok for me, for the 12 or so hours i've had beta2 anyway |
| 02:32.41 | atrius | qupada: on mine what should be X and Y scrolling.. is Z |
| 02:32.57 | qupada | ? |
| 02:33.22 | atrius | qupada: it works normally in 3.4.. but in 3.5b2 what should be up and down is side to side |
| 02:33.36 | qupada | oh. that's a new one |
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| 02:41.10 | atrius | qupada: indeed |
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| 02:48.54 | Redb3ard | guys, how well does kde support svg icons? |
| 02:49.26 | rizwaan | kdesupport build problem: akode/lib/Makefile.am: no rule to create target: ~/kdesvn/kdesupport/akode/lib/void_sink.h(all-top_akode_lib) |
| 02:49.38 | rizwaan | kdesvn |
| 02:50.36 | Redb3ard | if i specify an svg icon, it shows up in the configuration panel for kxdocker, but not in the dock itself... only seems to like png and xpm for that |
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| 03:27.13 | Dhraakellian | who needs wget to suck down an entire directory of rpms? |
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| 03:27.16 | Dhraakellian | go to ftp site in konqi, open your download dir in another window or tab. drag directory. drop directory. wait for download to finish |
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| 03:27.38 | qupada | i'm having a kdm issue. it starts fine and all that, but after i hit the login button, i get a blank screen for 30 seconds or so before it dumps me back to the login prompt. anyone had this problem and know how to fix it? i'm getting quite sick of xdm, would like my kdm back |
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| 03:38.01 | kakei | Hi |
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| 03:38.20 | kakei | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5561 i need some help installing that theme i have superkaramba now but i don't know how to install the theme |
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| 04:22.52 | sonoud | hi, I got weird problem with k3b. My story: I bought a new DVD burner, pioneer 110D. I tried to burn it in k3b. After the burning process finished, k3b told me that was successful and no error report. everything looks fine. I tried to insert it to DVD-rom, and mount it. i can't mount it at all. Just the same error to mount a blank DVD. I burned a new disk. The same problem occured. Then I booted to Windows. I inserted to DVD-Rom, and windo |
| 04:22.52 | sonoud | ws can't recognize the disk too. I thought the dvd is dead or burner was dead. Then I tried to open the DVD by Nero. I can see my burning file name list in nero. Then I click "next" and "burn" (Burn nothing). after a while, Nero told me the process was success. After that, that DVD disk works perfectly. what's the problem? btw the disk is 8x +R. in k3b, the burning speed is only 1.5x, even if it can detect that should be 8x. I tried to bur |
| 04:22.53 | sonoud | n another new disk in windows Nero. Everything works great. |
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| 04:31.54 | seekHim | is anybody else who's running kde 3.4 finding problems with knotes? My notes are all there, but the systray icon isn't there, and won't load. |
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| 04:49.10 | pupeno | anyone running Debian ? |
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| 04:56.09 | pupeno | nobody using Debian nowadays ? |
| 04:56.39 | ChrisWhite | I use lindows |
| 04:56.58 | Tm_T | pupeno: what you mean!? |
| 04:57.11 | Tm_T | ChrisWhite: that sounds terrible |
| 04:57.14 | pupeno | Tm_T: what par you don't understand ? |
| 04:57.19 | ChrisWhite | I use gentoo.. not that it's obvious or anything |
| 04:58.10 | Tm_T | pupeno: I have Debian and Kubuntu |
| 04:58.34 | pupeno | Tm_T: what version of Debian ? |
| 04:58.48 | Tm_T | pupeno: Sarge |
| 04:59.01 | Tm_T | :( |
| 04:59.02 | ChrisWhite | I never was quite comfortable with a distribution that releases with the tag "woody" |
| 04:59.11 | pupeno | Tm_T: so, you are stuck on KDE 3.3 ? |
| 04:59.18 | ChrisWhite | [_]illogic-al: damn man.. don't strain yourself |
| 04:59.44 | illogic-al | ChrisWhite: never do. |
| 04:59.46 | Tm_T | pupeno: I don't use KDE in my debian, and if I do, I can always compile stuff, right |
| 05:00.12 | pupeno | I was asking here to see if anybody is using Debian as a kde desktop. |
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| 05:00.35 | illogic-al | lol |
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| 05:00.55 | Dhraakellian | wewt! real gmail in konqi! |
| 05:02.24 | pupeno | maybe I should run Sarge and see how I can get an updated kde. |
| 05:02.55 | Dhraakellian | it was relatively painless to upgrade on suse 10 |
| 05:03.01 | Dhraakellian | running it on the other hand |
| 05:03.15 | Dhraakellian | it does have a few rough spots |
| 05:03.57 | Tm_T | pupeno: ok, so if I use debian and let's say KDE 3.5 beta2, are you happy now? |
| 05:04.22 | pupeno | Tm_T: I want Sarge with 3.4.3... I'll use 3.5 when it is released. |
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| 05:05.15 | Tm_T | pupeno: ok, let's say I compiled 3.4.3, so what you need? |
| 05:05.28 | Tm_T | ;) |
| 05:05.33 | pupeno | nevermind. |
| 05:06.08 | Tm_T | :( |
| 05:06.28 | Tm_T | I see you have a question, so why not just tell it? |
| 05:06.48 | pupeno | I don't want to just build and install sources. I want to use packages. |
| 05:07.08 | ChrisWhite | I don't |
| 05:07.11 | ChrisWhite | cause I hate arts support |
| 05:07.24 | ChrisWhite | I think it should die in a sliver of anguish and pain |
| 05:08.05 | Tm_T | pupeno: well, as you know debian package poliscy, you have to wait looong time ... |
| 05:08.09 | Tm_T | -s |
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| 05:08.55 | pupeno | Tm_T: I am consider backporting kde from sid to sarge... but I am not sure how hard that is. |
| 05:09.07 | pupeno | anyway, back to Sarge, brb. |
| 05:09.48 | Dhraakellian | my mail. where is it? |
| 05:09.52 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 05:09.58 | Tm_T | Dhraakellian: here o/ |
| 05:10.04 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 05:10.04 | ChrisWhite | we hacked it and deleted it |
| 05:10.06 | ChrisWhite | I'm sorry |
| 05:10.22 | ChrisWhite | it's all pupeno's fault |
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| 05:11.00 | junco | is it possible to change the kde theme with just the base kde libs? (w/o kcontrol) |
| 05:11.29 | frb | I just installed KDE 3.5b2, and kded is eating as close to 100% cpu as possible... is this a known issue with a workaround? |
| 05:11.32 | junco | like a ... switch2 kinda thing for kde |
| 05:13.12 | frb | path: .xsession-errors wd:80 mask:2 |
| 05:13.16 | frb | over and over and over |
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| 05:15.16 | Dhraakellian | should kded really be taking up 50-60PU? |
| 05:15.26 | Dhraakellian | should kded really be taking up 50-60%CPU? |
| 05:15.38 | frb | I killed it, it restarted, and now it looks normal |
| 05:15.51 | frb | Dhraakellian: it was taking 99.1 on my HT box |
| 05:16.48 | Dhraakellian | back up to 50-60%cpu |
| 05:17.42 | Tm_T | :( |
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| 05:18.22 | Dhraakellian | kded controls cookies, doesn't it? |
| 05:18.29 | chavo | yes |
| 05:18.30 | Dhraakellian | (among other things, I'm sure) |
| 05:18.37 | chavo | yes |
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| 05:23.52 | Tm_T | :( |
| 05:24.41 | Tm_T | nah, no updates :( |
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| 05:25.58 | Dhraakellian | mem |
| 05:25.59 | Dhraakellian | meh* |
| 05:26.11 | Dhraakellian | I'll mess around with stuff tomorrow |
| 05:26.59 | Tm_T | Dhraakellian: ah, that awaymessage for online is just having message in online ;) |
| 05:27.23 | Dhraakellian | well, that doesn't help me much, since it doesn't seem to want to connect |
| 05:27.24 | Tm_T | Dhraakellian: like, you can announce nowplaying things there |
| 05:27.27 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 05:27.32 | Dhraakellian | I see |
| 05:27.32 | Tm_T | etc |
| 05:27.53 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 05:27.56 | Tm_T | Dhraakellian: tried run it from console to get some debug info maybe? |
| 05:28.07 | Dhraakellian | good idea |
| 05:28.35 | Dhraakellian | I'll do it in a bit |
| 05:28.38 | Dhraakellian | maybe tomorrow |
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| 06:37.22 | ChrisWhite | hmm.. |
| 06:37.31 | ChrisWhite | I think the Control Center could use some layout changes |
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| 06:37.41 | ChrisWhite | too many complaints about being able to find stuff |
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| 06:48.28 | bartden | hi, is it possible to let konqueror start up xchat when i press a irc:// link on a webpage |
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| 06:56.25 | DanielH | Hi |
| 06:57.50 | ChrisWhite | bartden: hm.. good question |
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| 06:58.13 | bartden | :) |
| 06:58.23 | ChrisWhite | what version of kde? |
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| 06:58.30 | bartden | 3.4.1 |
| 06:58.31 | ChrisWhite | (so I know which konqueror to pull up :P..) |
| 06:58.39 | bartden | i'm glad you liked it |
| 06:58.39 | ChrisWhite | er.. kind of close >:/ |
| 06:58.58 | DanielH | I'm having a problem. I can't resize my taskbar (or any other bar save the main panel)... I'm using Mepis and KDE 3.3... no docs or faqs have helped me so far |
| 06:59.19 | ChrisWhite | I'm on 3.4.3.. so hopefully it's close enough |
| 06:59.28 | ChrisWhite | DanielH: hm.. sure your taskbar isn't locked? |
| 06:59.49 | DanielH | I unlocked it. Not sure where that was though. BRB, going to look for it |
| 07:01.28 | ChrisWhite | oh wait.. I think irc:// is on kontrol in the protocols someplace |
| 07:02.32 | DanielH | Yeah, no. I can't find that anymore |
| 07:02.40 | ChrisWhite | hm.. now where did that go.. |
| 07:02.50 | DanielH | Wow... I'm teh h0p3less :/ |
| 07:03.19 | ChrisWhite | bartden: ok, now it went from good question to.. Chris consults google :P |
| 07:03.29 | ChrisWhite | ! |
| 07:03.47 | ChrisWhite | damnit I know you can do it :( |
| 07:04.15 | bartden | :D |
| 07:05.49 | ChrisWhite | where is it >:| |
| 07:07.54 | bartden | ChrisWhite, i think i found it |
| 07:07.57 | bartden | /usr/kde/3.4/share/services/irc.protocol |
| 07:08.53 | bartden | :) |
| 07:08.59 | bartden | thx for the effort |
| 07:10.16 | ChrisWhite | Konversation and Kopete both provide /usr/share/services/irc.protocol |
| 07:10.18 | ChrisWhite | oh.. |
| 07:10.22 | ChrisWhite | that would be why :| |
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| 07:14.31 | ChrisWhite | bartden: I see a different way to do it too.. |
| 07:15.44 | ChrisWhite | bartden: go to Configure Konqueror |
| 07:15.44 | bartden | aha, |
| 07:15.44 | ChrisWhite | bartden: go to File Associations |
| 07:15.44 | ChrisWhite | bartden: click add, then selct uri and type in "irc" |
| 07:15.44 | ChrisWhite | (without quotes oops :() |
| 07:15.44 | ChrisWhite | that'll give you a panel on the right to decide what to do with it |
| 07:16.12 | ChrisWhite | there, I knew there was a way :P |
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| 07:17.02 | bartden | ok, thx |
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| 07:19.35 | DanielH | Any ideas on how to resize my task bar? :D |
| 07:23.16 | bc-bd | DanielH: right click on it -> configure panel -> Size |
| 07:23.57 | DanielH | Did that. It makes the icons bigger. I need to make the thing longer |
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| 07:25.05 | bc-bd | DanielH: same thing, but Length |
| 07:25.12 | bc-bd | just above size |
| 07:25.22 | DanielH | That only changes the entire panel. Not just the taskbar |
| 07:25.56 | bc-bd | DanielH: then i dont understand whout you try to do |
| 07:26.21 | DanielH | You know that bar that tells you what programs are currently running? XChat, FireFox, OpenOffice, etc... |
| 07:26.48 | bc-bd | DanielH: yes i do now the taskbar |
| 07:27.07 | DanielH | I need to resize that |
| 07:27.27 | bc-bd | DanielH: hm. mine is autofit. it uses as much space as there is on the panel |
| 07:27.38 | ChrisWhite | hm... |
| 07:27.41 | DanielH | Mine only takes a small space before it stops growing any bigger |
| 07:27.44 | ChrisWhite | kde menu->Control Panel.. |
| 07:27.54 | ChrisWhite | Desktop.. |
| 07:28.22 | ChrisWhite | hm.. no.. only the entire panel.. |
| 07:28.30 | DanielH | Taskbar? Already edited that. It doesn't resize it |
| 07:28.52 | ChrisWhite | You want length |
| 07:28.56 | DanielH | Yeah |
| 07:29.08 | ChrisWhite | if there's an option but.. that does the whole thing.. seems like you can't do just one section.. |
| 07:29.33 | bc-bd | DanielH: so you want a big panel with small icons and lots of space for the taskbar? |
| 07:30.12 | DanielH | I just want a lot of space for the taskbar. I rather keep it medium to small sized but as long as I get to make the taskbar longer... |
| 07:36.39 | jeh_work | hm, what would be the benefit from making a qt app use kde classes? |
| 07:37.05 | jeh_work | KApplication and some widgets only. no need for dcop and the other stuff i don't grok |
| 07:37.50 | jeh_work | it makes the application a lot harder to build, or can i keep using qmake? |
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| 07:40.38 | PhilRod | el: do you want me to write to kde-core-devel? |
| 07:41.31 | el | hi PhilRod ! |
| 07:42.17 | bartden | anyone here who knows how i can adjust my touchpad buttons to forward or backward in konqueror ? |
| 07:42.28 | el | As you wish, PhilRod . I can do, or you. I think it makes no difference :) |
| 07:43.03 | el | PhilRod, are you subscribed to the hci mailinglist? |
| 07:43.48 | el | PhilRod, i think we should still post it there to get some input by the designers and the accessibility people, not only usability. |
| 07:44.21 | PhilRod | good idea |
| 07:44.27 | PhilRod | sorry, lecture time - bbl |
| 07:44.40 | el | ok :) |
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| 07:45.41 | sredna | Hi canllaith |
| 07:45.45 | canllaith | Heya sredna :) |
| 07:46.09 | ChrisWhite | It's 12:45AM, and I want to do math homework |
| 07:46.27 | canllaith | What other time would one do math homework? :\ |
| 07:46.50 | ChrisWhite | 10 minutes before it's due in class ;P? |
| 07:46.50 | sredna | Ym kpg servers are blinking wildly today, whenever I hit a key on the keyboard or click the desktop they flash in the widget background color (which is otherwise unused in kicker, because it's transparent) |
| 07:47.10 | canllaith | ChrisWhite: mmm, good point :) |
| 07:47.41 | ChrisWhite | division of polynomials |
| 07:47.43 | ChrisWhite | mmmm |
| 07:48.03 | canllaith | double chocolate icecream |
| 07:48.05 | canllaith | mmmm |
| 07:48.15 | canllaith | yow frozen teeth :( |
| 07:48.25 | ChrisWhite | oh my God ewww this looks ugly |
| 07:48.29 | pvh | Has anyone here ever heard of a program that would automatically generate a newspaper for you in the morning? |
| 07:48.38 | canllaith | sredna: so what are you up to atm ? |
| 07:48.45 | pvh | Because that would be really cool. |
| 07:49.01 | ChrisWhite | pvh: you could pull together a few select rss feeds I suppose |
| 07:49.19 | ChrisWhite | pvh: so yah, that would be possible.. then just mess with the layout a little |
| 07:49.20 | pvh | ChrisWhite: yeah, that's what i figured. that would be a great project. |
| 07:49.38 | ChrisWhite | I'd do it if a) I had time b) I knew C++ better c) I knew kde/qt |
| 07:49.42 | pvh | ChrisWhite: set it up to print every morning at before you wake up |
| 07:49.48 | sredna | I'm off from work this week, so I'm actually starting hacking a bit on kate again, and I'm compiling a complete kde 3.5 branch + koffice 1.4 branch so that I have a good work desktop untill kde 4 |
| 07:49.56 | canllaith | Sweet :) |
| 07:50.03 | canllaith | Kate has been missing your touch |
| 07:50.31 | ChrisWhite | touch? |
| 07:50.32 | sredna | Hm, what is akode? |
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| 07:50.42 | ChrisWhite | some sound support |
| 07:50.44 | canllaith | ChrisWhite: sredna's special touch :) |
| 07:50.49 | sredna | He |
| 07:50.51 | canllaith | sredna: It is plugins for arts |
| 07:51.14 | ChrisWhite | "aKode is the decoding library used in akode_artsplugin in kdemultimedia, and improves the aRts experience by fewer drop-outs, more supported formats and fewer bugs in general." |
| 07:51.16 | canllaith | If you're looking through a list of things to emerge, yes you want akode if you use kdemultimedia |
| 07:51.22 | sredna | To play what? My needs in that divsion are humble |
| 07:51.44 | canllaith | sredna: I have a feeling that kdemultimedia doesn't compile without akode headers |
| 07:51.49 | canllaith | but I could of course be mistaken |
| 07:51.50 | ChrisWhite | "It can also be used directly without aRts in JuK and Amarok. aKode supports decoding of MPEG audio, Ogg Vorbis, Ogg FLAC, old FLAC, Speex, WAV, and Musepack audio." |
| 07:51.56 | ChrisWhite | there |
| 07:52.06 | ChrisWhite | that's what kde-apps says about it |
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| 07:52.29 | sredna | Hm, I'll install it, and it's two dependencies... |
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| 07:52.48 | sfs | hi there |
| 07:52.57 | sredna | What security patch? |
| 07:53.00 | sredna | Hi sfs |
| 07:53.02 | canllaith | sredna: I am trying out SuSE on my laptop since we're using it a little here for some work |
| 07:53.03 | ChrisWhite | what's up with the kde multimedia api I keep hearing about |
| 07:53.13 | canllaith | It's just whatever it thinks I need updated |
| 07:53.23 | ChrisWhite | is it going to be anything like what gstreamer is? |
| 07:53.25 | sredna | Lol, ok |
| 07:53.27 | sfs | is it possible to have the default action be a "copy" when dragging file from one folder to another ? |
| 07:53.40 | canllaith | sfs: you can hold down a key while dragging to have it copy without asking you? |
| 07:53.50 | sredna | Just press ctrl while dropping sfs |
| 07:53.54 | canllaith | Apart from that I'm sure I saw the option in konqi settings, but I can't look right now. |
| 07:54.11 | sfs | canllaith: ok, i will check out the konq settings |
| 07:54.14 | canllaith | 93%! soon my cpu will be my own again. |
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| 07:54.19 | sfs | canllaith: i didnt think of that :) |
| 07:54.53 | ChrisWhite | what's that one make system again.. |
| 07:54.56 | ChrisWhite | unsermake or something? |
| 07:55.00 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.03 | canllaith | a very bad pun |
| 07:55.16 | ChrisWhite | is that any good? |
| 07:55.25 | canllaith | Yes |
| 07:55.26 | sredna | I will get accerss to my cpu maybe tomorrow, when I finish the most important parts of kde that is still missing. I still need kdemultimedia, kdegames, kdetoys, kdeedu, koffice + some extragear apps |
| 07:55.37 | canllaith | kdetoys, yes the most important parts ;) :P |
| 07:55.57 | canllaith | 95 % ! |
| 07:56.01 | sredna | Potatoeguy! |
| 07:56.03 | ChrisWhite | I only use kdebase, some of kdemultimedia,kdepim, and kdenetwork |
| 07:56.06 | canllaith | heh that game is so fun |
| 07:56.15 | ChrisWhite | kaffeine, amarok, akregator |
| 07:56.17 | sredna | It is for small children :) |
| 07:56.19 | canllaith | um not that I play it or anything while waiting for compiles :$ |
| 07:56.27 | ChrisWhite | wait.. what do I use from kdenetwork again :| |
| 07:56.41 | canllaith | sredna: It is more interesting than whatching unsermake output =p |
| 07:56.52 | sfs | when running wine apps in kde, i get "black" icons instead of the real images, anyone know why ? It worked someway back |
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| 07:57.00 | sfs | using an older xorg |
| 07:57.36 | sredna | canllaith: Unsermake is fascinating, it's random way of selecting files is still breathtaking after more than two years... |
| 07:57.42 | canllaith | heh |
| 07:58.04 | canllaith | The random way of corrupting halfway through if it's cancelled and then requiring yes | unsermake -j6 ... is fascinating too |
| 07:58.15 | canllaith | 'File has mode blahblah, remove? y/n' |
| 07:58.20 | canllaith | 50 times :P |
| 07:58.38 | canllaith | Or who knows, maybe even more. I give up and yes | unsermake by then. |
| 07:58.44 | sredna | I love that it sometimes picks one single file from a completely different, unrelated place ,then goes back to link 3 objects, then goes a 3rd place and ompiles some more files... |
| 07:59.22 | canllaith | heh |
| 07:59.34 | canllaith | I'm assuming it knows what it's doing |
| 07:59.35 | bssteph | it's trying to keep you on your toes |
| 07:59.40 | canllaith | It does seem to be at least no slower than make |
| 07:59.49 | canllaith | and the incremental install is enough of a bonus by itself |
| 08:00.26 | canllaith | woohoo patches finished :) It patched glibc so I suppose I should reboot just to make sure everything comes back up again :\ |
| 08:01.24 | bssteph | woo finished my assignments just in time to go to sleep :( |
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| 08:02.50 | incorrect | is there something like evolution for kde yet? |
| 08:04.27 | ChrisWhite | hm.. I think kontact would be fairly close |
| 08:04.37 | ChrisWhite | with the kmail integration it has |
| 08:04.43 | ChrisWhite | plus it syncs my pda quite nicely |
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| 08:14.58 | incorrect | now i just need to import my mail |
| 08:15.59 | incorrect | hopefully it will import my send items too |
| 08:19.43 | incorrect | are there there web developer plugin for konq? i have things like header modifiers for firefox |
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| 08:34.59 | spiral | hi |
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| 08:41.46 | Spum | 'Ello |
| 08:42.04 | Spum | What's been going down in the world of the Kool Desktop environment for the last 2 years? |
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| 09:05.00 | wilsby | why is the 'fileshareset' script a perl script. Since it requires suid privileges to function it would make sence to use C++. |
| 09:05.16 | wilsby | hardly any distros enable perlsuid for security reasons. |
| 09:10.53 | Spum | Hmm |
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| 09:29.08 | snail | is there a url to help me debug why I've got screeds of stuff in the "lost and found" menu item? |
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| 09:35.36 | the-erm | I don't suppose there's a way to re-enable icon zooming in kde 3.4. |
| 09:35.45 | DocTomoe | Is there a way to implement some kind of auto-reply in kmail? Idea is that this is connected to a filter - ("If filter is executed, reply with answer in file reply_04.txt") |
| 09:35.45 | PhilOut | nope |
| 09:35.54 | PhilOut | that was for the-erm |
| 09:36.07 | PhilOut | unless there's some kind of "kicker replacement" on kde-look.org |
| 09:36.39 | the-erm | PhilOut: It was there last version ... now it's gone :( |
| 09:36.53 | PhilOut | the-erm: yes - see the faq |
| 09:37.10 | the-erm | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ this faq? |
| 09:37.29 | PhilOut | DocTomoe: there's an "execute command" option - put "mail somefile" in it, or if you don't have sendmail etc set up, try the kmail dcop interface |
| 09:37.33 | PhilOut | the-erm: yep |
| 09:38.21 | DocTomoe | PhilOut: That is nice, and I tried to do this, but how do I get the senders email address? |
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| 09:40.06 | PhilOut | oh I see. Don't suppose you can |
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| 09:40.18 | the-erm | PhilOut: That's a manual. Not a faq. And in response to 5.5 ... I still liked icon zooming better. |
| 09:40.56 | DocTomoe | PhilOut: That's too bad. I wish I could code C++ ... the template feature request sits idle since 1998 -_- |
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| 09:41.38 | the-erm | You could have learned C++ in 7 years. |
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| 09:42.34 | DocTomoe | well, right, I could have. I didn't and hoped that that function was so well-wished and obvious someone else would pick it up... Hell, i'd pay for someone to put this in. |
| 09:42.51 | the-erm | What is it? |
| 09:42.57 | DocTomoe | (Being self-employed, I am working some 18 hours for living per day) |
| 09:42.57 | the-erm | And how much. |
| 09:43.20 | DocTomoe | let me get the error description |
| 09:43.27 | DocTomoe | one moment |
| 09:44.56 | the-erm | That's what I should do ... learn C++, set up a web page and then tell people if they want a special feature I'll make it for a price. |
| 09:45.37 | the-erm | Then release it GPL and everyone enjoys it. |
| 09:46.17 | DocTomoe | that's what kontact already offers ... but for some reason I stillcannot understand how their system acutly works - don't want to risk paying for a feature that in the end is still not implemented. |
| 09:46.37 | DocTomoe | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1015 |
| 09:46.48 | DocTomoe | that's the one ... ok, it is from 1999. big deal |
| 09:47.40 | Spum | Paying? |
| 09:48.19 | the-erm | Does kmail allow you to compose in HTML? I've never really checked. |
| 09:48.35 | the-erm | The feature you're talking about doesn't seem that hard to create. |
| 09:49.19 | DocTomoe | the-erm: nontheless, the feature request has hundreds of votes and is still open. |
| 09:50.08 | the-erm | Let me think. |
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| 09:51.17 | the-erm | DocTomoe: I think I could learn c and get this done in 6 years. |
| 09:51.20 | the-erm | :) |
| 09:52.07 | DocTomoe | the-erm: well, in six years, I hope to be doing vacations on some space station and drive my flying car ;) |
| 09:52.47 | NullAcht15 | How many people said just that about 6 years ago? |
| 09:53.01 | the-erm | Shoot the flying car --- mollar in particular --- has been around 15 years. Just not 'done' |
| 09:54.15 | the-erm | No promises ... btw where would you get the kmail source code? |
| 09:54.37 | DocTomoe | at SVN, I presume. |
| 09:54.57 | DocTomoe | there is that patch, but I have no idea how to apply it. |
| 09:59.14 | the-erm | hmm. |
| 09:59.33 | the-erm | DocTomoe: do you know how to program in anything? |
| 10:00.04 | DocTomoe | well, i do some java, some php ... stuff like that. |
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| 10:01.37 | the-erm | This patch doesn't look that hard to read. |
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| 10:01.57 | the-erm | I've never applied a patch either. |
| 10:03.04 | DocTomoe | do we have any "real" developers in here willing to give a helping hand? |
| 10:03.44 | the-erm | Hey I'm a developer, just not for kde :) |
| 10:03.46 | the-erm | and not in c++ |
| 10:04.34 | DocTomoe | insensitive clod i am, nyet? ... rephrase: do we have any KDE-C++ developers here that want to describe how to apply a patch? |
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| 10:05.59 | Java_the_Hutt | Question: I am getting Unknown host messages while surfing with Konqueror may be 20% of time. But with Firefox i have no problem. Any ideas ? |
| 10:06.13 | Java_the_Hutt | Question: I am getting Unknown host messages while surfing with Konqueror may be 20% of time. But with Firefox i have no problem. Any ideas ? |
| 10:08.58 | DocTomoe | Java_the_Hutt: you do not - for an instance - use one of the betas, do you? |
| 10:09.47 | Java_the_Hutt | DocTomoe: I dont think so, all i did was installing the package kubuntu-desktop over my ubuntu. And use it |
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| 10:10.31 | DocTomoe | you use breezy, right? |
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| 10:10.40 | Java_the_Hutt | DocTomoe: yes |
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| 10:11.26 | Java_the_Hutt | DocTomoe: KDE Release 3.4.3 |
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| 10:13.01 | the-erm | patch -p1 < patchfile |
| 10:13.14 | the-erm | I have no clue what that does :) |
| 10:13.15 | DocTomoe | Java_the_Hutt: Those problems vanished at my site when I set up my own bind9 server ... seems some DNS timeout is too small under ubuntu |
| 10:13.24 | the-erm | maybe man patch might shed some light on i t... |
| 10:13.52 | Java_the_Hutt | DocTomoe: But Firefox works perfectly well |
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| 10:15.33 | PhilOut | DocTomoe: to apply a patch, you need a copy of the appropriate version of the KDE sources |
| 10:16.01 | the-erm | Java_the_Hutt: Maybe just maybe you might want to change the resolve order in your /etc/resolve.conf file and get rid of 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:16.38 | DocTomoe | PhilOut: that is not really the problem ... |
| 10:16.52 | DocTomoe | -p0 seems to work for me |
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| 10:18.18 | Java_the_Hutt | the-erm:this is written in resolv.conf "search lan (new Line) name server 10.0.0.138" |
| 10:18.34 | Java_the_Hutt | where 10.0.0.138 is my modems ip |
| 10:19.08 | DocTomoe | Java_the_Hutt: do you use an alcatel speedtouch DSL modem_ |
| 10:19.28 | Java_the_Hutt | DocTomoe: Yes, i do. Why ? |
| 10:20.28 | DocTomoe | I had one of those a while back ... had lots of problems with my providers DNS ... try to put your providers DNS IP adresses directly in /etc/resolv.conf and set it to read-only. |
| 10:20.54 | DocTomoe | this helped *my* problems. No, it is not really a nice solution, but it worked lots better afterwards |
| 10:20.56 | Java_the_Hutt | DocTomoe: True, but the point is Firefox has no problems at all |
| 10:21.14 | Java_the_Hutt | This happens only when i use konqueror |
| 10:21.41 | DocTomoe | might be. I didn't really want to research the problems, but to get it work (tm) |
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| 10:22.06 | Java_the_Hutt | yeah, thanks anyway |
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| 10:36.58 | Java_the_Hutt | DocTomoe: A possible reason may be, KDE's connection timeout is smaller than GTK's or what ever. Today my isp is very slow also. thus Firefox connects, konqueror drops the connection what do you think ? |
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| 10:40.09 | DocTomoe | Java_the_Hutt: may be, may not be ... i really think that the modems DNS cache might also be a bottleneck... |
| 10:40.38 | DocTomoe | even if this only takes about half a second or so ... this might as well trigger the timeout, ne? |
| 10:41.38 | Java_the_Hutt | timouts are about 10s |
| 10:43.01 | DocTomoe | Nontheless might that DNS cacheing system of Speedtouch cause the timeout to happen. |
| 10:43.42 | Java_the_Hutt | ok i'll keep in mind |
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| 10:52.38 | Celestar | in kontact, can I set a filter that is run every n minutes on a certain folder? |
| 10:53.05 | sredna | Celestar: I dont' believe so |
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| 10:53.15 | Celestar | pity :P |
| 10:55.52 | DocTomoe | Celestar: Why do you not put a filter on all incomming mails? |
| 10:56.55 | Celestar | DocTomoe how do I do this on an IMAP folder? |
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| 10:59.55 | DocTomoe | I do not think this differs on filters on POP accounts ... |
| 11:03.40 | Celestar | hm. |
| 11:03.41 | Celestar | lets see |
| 11:04.16 | Celestar | where do I find filters for accounts? |
| 11:04.19 | Worf | hmm - 0.12.4a fails building for me.. now trying older versions... |
| 11:04.22 | Celestar | that sieve stuff?? |
| 11:05.13 | Worf | "base_k3bdivxoptiontab.cpp:25:29: kdoublenuminput.h: No such file or directory" - anyone who has a idea what kdoublenuminput.h is or where it might be from? |
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| 11:06.26 | PhilOut | Worf: presumably you have the wrong version of kdelibs |
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| 11:07.14 | PhilOut | or rather, a different version to the one that's required |
| 11:07.47 | Worf | PhilOut: hmm - let me check the k3b homepage... |
| 11:07.49 | PhilOut | Celestar: in 3.5, kmail can run filters on imap accounts - see advanced options |
| 11:07.58 | Celestar | not on 3.5 |
| 11:08.33 | Celestar | (yet) |
| 11:08.35 | Celestar | it's still downloading |
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| 11:11.22 | Celestar | and somehow the ftp server is choked |
| 11:11.46 | Celestar | going at 70kb/sec |
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| 11:13.07 | syli725 | How can I disable autorun permanently? |
| 11:13.54 | Worf | PhilOut: couldn't find anything, but i just googled around and found some commits that look like this is simply a bug... |
| 11:14.05 | PhilOut | Celestar: well, beta2 only got released recently - are you using a mirror? |
| 11:14.27 | PhilOut | Worf: oh, ok |
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| 11:18.48 | syli725 | never mind, i think i found the solution. |
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| 11:20.40 | _fernando | boas |
| 11:21.01 | danboid | I remember hearing something about some KDE tools for non-programmers to make simple programs, anyone know what it might be? |
| 11:21.04 | _fernando | precisava de uma ajuda vossa |
| 11:21.17 | _fernando | precisa de codex para video |
| 11:21.26 | _fernando | tenho o suse 10 |
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| 11:21.45 | _fernando | aonde posso sacar esses codex??? |
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| 11:22.47 | Worf | danboid: depends - but bash scripts with kdialog are quite easy... |
| 11:22.47 | PhilOut | danboid: kommander |
| 11:24.13 | danboid | kommander- that might be it. All I want to do is make a very simple GUI to the mencoder tool |
| 11:24.33 | danboid | as NONE of the existing ones work for me at all |
| 11:25.13 | danboid | This is all I want, maybe someone here can suggest the best method to achieve it... |
| 11:27.32 | PhilOut | if you just want really simple for your own use, kommander might work (I've never used it, but I think it would be up to that). If you need a little more complex, one of the KDE/Qt bindings to scripting languages could work for you - there are ruby and python bindings at least, maybe more |
| 11:27.54 | PhilOut | the best alternative would be to fix the existing tools, but that's potentially a lot harder :-) |
| 11:28.00 | danboid | A window with 3 buttons 'DVD Wide' 'DVD 4:3' and 'VCD'- you pick one and drag your avi file into the window. It then executes the appropriate command, opens a console to show what its doinf and dumps the finished MPG into the same dir as the source avi. Can't be too hard, can it? I know what the mencoder commands are to do this |
| 11:28.30 | PhilOut | try kommander |
| 11:28.45 | danboid | i'll check it out now PhilOut, thanks |
| 11:28.59 | Worf | you could also do this as servicemenu propably... |
| 11:29.30 | PhilOut | yes. that's probably true |
| 11:29.36 | PhilOut | ~servicemenus |
| 11:29.38 | apt | well, servicemenus is http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html |
| 11:29.41 | danboid | servicemenu? Easier than Kommander or the same? |
| 11:29.50 | Worf | way easier |
| 11:30.42 | Worf | since you don't want any options or so, right? |
| 11:31.33 | danboid | You know, I tried EVERY SINGLE Linux/Unix GUI to ffmpeg, transcode and gmencoder etc. but NOT ONE of them could do what I'm attempting to put together now. I really can't understand it! |
| 11:31.47 | danboid | worf- no options needed |
| 11:32.30 | Worf | you seem to only have 3 commandlines to execute on a specific filetype - that sounds like creating a servicemenu and period. effort: less than 5 minutes inclusive learning :) |
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| 11:33.50 | danboid | I mean, none of them worked. Most claimed they could do what I wanted but all were alpha or beta with lots of pointless options that didn't do anything. 99.9% of people using a video converter will just want to input their avi and get a DVD mpg, nothing more |
| 11:34.04 | Worf | ServiceTypes=video/avi i guess.. |
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| 11:34.51 | Worf | you know your commandline anyway, that should be it... |
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| 11:39.04 | Worf | danboid: and, does it work? :) |
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| 11:39.37 | danboid | worf: just reading the docs now |
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| 11:48.56 | Celestar | er guys.. |
| 11:49.14 | Celestar | where can I find rpms related to 3.5beta2? |
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| 11:49.28 | Celestar | because beta2 will not install due to missing dependencies |
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| 11:50.24 | Celestar | http://pastebin.com/398564 <= those are the unfulfilled ones |
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| 11:55.44 | danboid | just halfway through making the servicemenu- it should only take me a coupla minutes to get this working but seeing as I'm lazier than ? I'm just wondering- hasn't this already been done? Archive of servicemenus where I could check, then add mine if its not there already? |
| 11:57.32 | Worf | there are some on kde-look |
| 11:58.57 | Worf | but i doubt the ones you like are there :) |
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| 12:00.32 | Tm_T | ok, tell me experiences about beta2 |
| 12:00.58 | Tm_T | like, is arts crashy? akregator too? kmail bit broken? |
| 12:00.59 | zero0 | hi |
| 12:01.16 | Celestar | Tm_T I have trouble installing the rpms :P |
| 12:01.31 | Tm_T | Celestar: interesting :) |
| 12:01.34 | tuxxee | Celestar: can't you simply build from source? |
| 12:01.55 | danboid | dammit- it'll be faster just to finish me own than look for an existing one :) |
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| 12:20.05 | danboid | OK, so in the 'exec' line of my servicemenu file, what to I put to have it open a new konsole running my command? |
| 12:22.56 | PhilOut | look at "konsole --help" |
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| 12:27.03 | danboid | ok, now the 'hard' part, I need to know the % command or whatever that will take the existing avi filename (without the .avi) so the output file will have the same name but ending in .mpg |
| 12:27.31 | danboid | ...I hope its not hard! |
| 12:28.01 | danboid | ...and put that file into the same directory as the source avi |
| 12:31.24 | PhilOut | %f |
| 12:31.54 | PhilOut | so your command is "my_conversion_script %f" then the filename will be available in your script as $1 |
| 12:32.33 | PhilOut | and you can do "echo $1 | sed -e 's,avi$,mpg,'" to do the rename |
| 12:32.42 | PhilOut | or rather, that command will output the new name |
| 12:32.54 | Doktoreas | guys where is the option to bloxk pop up win in konq? |
| 12:32.54 | PhilOut | then you can grab it with backticks or something |
| 12:33.05 | PhilOut | Doktoreas: you have 3.5? |
| 12:33.09 | Doktoreas | yup |
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| 12:33.37 | PhilOut | settings->configure konq -> adblock |
| 12:34.38 | Doktoreas | PhilOut: i mean pop up win |
| 12:34.48 | Doktoreas | i wanna open only win i click |
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| 12:36.12 | PhilOut | oh, sorry - braino. It's under "java and javascript" - javascript tab |
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| 12:39.30 | Doktoreas | thx PhilOut |
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| 12:40.39 | danboid | philout: did you get my msg? |
| 12:41.09 | PhilOut | Doktoreas: that might be a good candidate for the FAQ. If you'd like to write up a question/answer pair and send it to faq@kde.org, it might be included in the next version of the faq |
| 12:41.13 | danboid | I dunno how to integrate the echo/sed bit into my command |
| 12:41.14 | PhilOut | danboid: no |
| 12:41.34 | danboid | My exec line stands as: |
| 12:41.43 | PhilOut | you need to write a little script, and call that script from the servicemenu |
| 12:42.08 | danboid | Exec=konsole --noclose -e mencoder -oac lavc -ovc lavc -of mpeg -mpegopts format=dvd -vf scale=720:576,harddup -srate 48000 -af lavcresample=48000 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vrc_buf_size=1835:vrc_maxrate=9800:vbitrate=5000:keyint=15:acodec=ac3:abitrate=192:aspect=16/9 -ofps 25 -o movie.mpg %u |
| 12:42.33 | danboid | obviously its the 'movie.mpg' bit i'm stuck with here |
| 12:42.41 | PhilOut | Id'wrap it in a script |
| 12:43.45 | danboid | so my exec line would just cecome 'scriptname %f %u'? |
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| 12:44.37 | PhilOut | almost: "scriptname %f" |
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| 12:44.53 | danboid | phil: i can't write scripts, BTW |
| 12:45.22 | PhilOut | danboid: gtg - bbl. Send me an email and I'll write you a fuller description (phil@kde.org) |
| 12:45.36 | danboid | Thanks v.much Phil! |
| 12:49.18 | danboid | philout: just mailed you my script-phoetus scribblings :) |
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| 12:53.37 | GraveDigger | hi there |
| 12:53.53 | GraveDigger | i am unable to start khotkeys, error message is: ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed. |
| 12:54.01 | GraveDigger | how do i *find* out why it crashed? |
| 12:54.10 | GraveDigger | or does anyone know? |
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| 12:57.01 | annma | GraveDigger: how did you install KDE? |
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| 12:57.52 | GraveDigger | i'm using suse, kde via rpms |
| 12:58.04 | GraveDigger | its kde3.5_beta2 btw |
| 12:58.08 | pinotree | hello =) |
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| 12:58.15 | GraveDigger | hello pinotree |
| 12:59.35 | GraveDigger | annma: ^ you mean something is missing? if so, what could that be? the package kdebase3-khotkeys is already installed, and since its insalled with apt i guess all dependencies should be solved |
| 13:00.12 | annma | is it the only problem? |
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| 13:01.05 | GraveDigger | well.. some other things are weird, like the problem, that for any reason the media applet for kicker doesnt show any devices at all, tho hald and dbus are running |
| 13:01.19 | GraveDigger | but i dont think, that this has much to do with the khotkeys issue |
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| 13:03.30 | GraveDigger | annma: ^^ |
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| 13:03.37 | shanky | hi |
| 13:03.44 | annma | GraveDigger: did you try a new user? |
| 13:04.13 | shanky | how could I publish my icalendar form korganizer to a web with phpicalendar? |
| 13:04.37 | GraveDigger | annma: no, not yet... i'll try |
| 13:04.38 | annma | shanky: is the format the same for the data? |
| 13:04.52 | annma | GraveDigger: what kde version did you have previously? |
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| 13:12.47 | danboid | PhilOut: get my email OK? |
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| 13:16.28 | GraveDig1er | annma: sorry i accidently rebootet |
| 13:16.50 | GraveDigger | annma: well, i have used kde35_beta1 beforce |
| 13:16.55 | GraveDigger | *before |
| 13:17.01 | annma | and no problem on that one? |
| 13:17.24 | GraveDigger | dunno, i didnt try, but i remember that i made a "clean" ~/.kde with that version |
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| 13:18.49 | GraveDigger | annma: i now removed ./share/config/khotkeysrc and ./share/config/khotkeysrc-update in the ~/.kde, but still khotkeys fails to start |
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| 13:19.10 | annma | GraveDigger: because from beta1 to beta2 there were only bugfixes in kde code |
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| 13:19.19 | annma | no changes otherwise |
| 13:19.33 | annma | and probably nothing much in khotkeys |
| 13:19.49 | annma | what about a new user? |
| 13:20.32 | GraveDigger | *sigh* oh no...please not again :( |
| 13:20.45 | GraveDigger | well, if nothing else helps... |
| 13:20.47 | GraveDigger | :( |
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| 13:27.26 | dv_ | hi |
| 13:27.44 | dv_ | is there a way to show the system/CPU temperature in the systray? |
| 13:27.57 | dv_ | ksysguard doesnt show it... besides ksysguard is screwed up here |
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| 13:29.56 | GraveDigger | i dont know exactly, but maybe ksensors does - it not ksysguard was the best choice |
| 13:30.03 | GraveDigger | *if not |
| 13:30.52 | bushwakko | is there a page to paste, what gnome does better than kde? so that someone can fix it? :P |
| 13:31.30 | tuxxee | fix what? |
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| 13:31.34 | GraveDigger | bushwakko: get to bug.kde.org and poste stuff on the wishlist |
| 13:31.42 | GraveDigger | *bugs.kde.org |
| 13:32.14 | dv_ | also, I always get empty panels in the systray display of ksysguard |
| 13:32.26 | dv_ | dont know how to make it show the CPU usage for example |
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| 13:32.54 | superstoned | bushwakko: good point :D i'd like to add windoze and os X, tough... |
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| 13:34.57 | dv_ | when I drag a sensor from ksysguard to an empty panel in the systray, a "connect host" dialog appears, and none (ssh, rsh, daemon) of the options work |
| 13:35.25 | bushwakko | well both gnome and kde is allready better than windows |
| 13:35.33 | GraveDigger | dv_: that means that the ksysguardd is not running |
| 13:36.02 | bushwakko | but its stuff like rubberband selector, auto-applying stuff (no OK or APPLY needed) rounded corners on selections and stuff like that |
| 13:36.21 | GraveDigger | ? |
| 13:36.59 | dv_ | no, ksysguardd IS running |
| 13:37.45 | GraveDigger | dv_: so then you may want to connect to it |
| 13:37.52 | dv_ | i do |
| 13:37.55 | dv_ | but it doesnt work |
| 13:38.04 | GraveDigger | dv_: check on which port it runs and how it runs |
| 13:38.17 | dv_ | argh. this kind of stuff should work out of the box :/ |
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| 13:38.22 | GraveDigger | check whether you need to connect to it via unix sockets or tcp sockets |
| 13:38.41 | GraveDigger | well ... it works fine, even out of the box. .. for me at least |
| 13:39.23 | dv_ | how to check? |
| 13:40.16 | GraveDigger | killall ksysguardd && ksysguardd -d -i p 3112 |
| 13:40.26 | GraveDigger | then connect to it as a daemon using port 3112 |
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| 13:40.37 | GraveDigger | this should work - if not, something else is broken |
| 13:40.49 | GraveDigger | damn: -p |
| 13:40.53 | GraveDigger | this is an option |
| 13:41.48 | dv_ | ah, now it works |
| 13:41.51 | dv_ | weird |
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| 13:42.06 | dv_ | now to find out the temperature stuff... |
| 13:42.12 | GraveDigger | well, the you may want to "simply" put that command into your local bootup scripts |
| 13:42.19 | GraveDigger | and you're done |
| 13:42.37 | GraveDigger | dv_: temperature stuff requires lm_sensors |
| 13:42.53 | GraveDigger | if its not installed/configure - forget about ksysguard |
| 13:42.56 | annma | bushwakko: what does gnome do better than kde then? |
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| 13:43.38 | dv_ | but in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature there is the current temperature |
| 13:43.46 | bushwakko | the auto-applying stuff I talked about earlier |
| 13:44.12 | bushwakko | If you edit an option in gnome it changes automatically, like a font, or some value or something |
| 13:44.18 | bushwakko | and if you cancel it resets |
| 13:44.38 | GraveDigger | dv_: oh... well... ksysguard still uses lmsensors and so i2c modules for that |
| 13:44.39 | bushwakko | in kde and windows you do a setting and have to apply it manually |
| 13:44.52 | GraveDigger | dv_: acpi stuff is another topic |
| 13:44.55 | bushwakko | if you dont like it, you have to set it back and re-apply it |
| 13:45.01 | bushwakko | thats just plain backwards |
| 13:45.06 | dv_ | so I just have to install lmsensors package and ksysguard supports temperature stuff automatically? |
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| 13:45.14 | bushwakko | windows do it this way too, but that doesnt make it right |
| 13:45.31 | annma | so what is there to change exactly? KControl? |
| 13:45.38 | GraveDigger | bushwakko: that's what preview windows are good for |
| 13:46.12 | null__ | windows on xinerama screen 2 dont turrnup on taskbar |
| 13:46.16 | null__ | any one have the problem ? |
| 13:46.19 | bushwakko | grave, well I'm not saying its unusable, I'm just saying the gnome/osx version is much better |
| 13:46.29 | bushwakko | computers are fast today, so applying stuff is fast enough |
| 13:46.47 | GraveDigger | dv_: i dont know - normally sensors is a dependency for ksysguard... on gentoo you may also so a USE="-sensors" emerge kde - which then builds ksysguard without lmsensors support |
| 13:46.47 | annma | bushwakko: so what is there to change exactly? KControl? |
| 13:46.48 | bushwakko | and you desktop is a lot more dynamic than a static preview window |
| 13:46.57 | bushwakko | annma: how most apps behave |
| 13:47.00 | dv_ | using ubuntu here |
| 13:47.04 | GraveDigger | bushwakko: in your eyes - but i like this way |
| 13:47.09 | annma | bushwakko: to be efficient you have to make a precise proposition |
| 13:47.17 | annma | not just a vague suggestion |
| 13:47.19 | bushwakko | starting with those in kde |
| 13:47.26 | null__ | it worked with 3.5 beta 1, but not with beta2 |
| 13:47.27 | annma | this is not precise |
| 13:47.38 | annma | bushwakko: is it the config system then? |
| 13:47.45 | StarScream | probably the wrong place for a suggestion too. |
| 13:47.51 | StarScream | good place for feedback |
| 13:48.01 | bushwakko | GraveDigger: well, you like it this way, ok, but It's more efficient the other way |
| 13:48.01 | StarScream | :) |
| 13:48.07 | bushwakko | less clicks |
| 13:48.21 | annma | bushwakko: so what to change except the 'way it works now'? |
| 13:48.24 | bushwakko | most options windows doesn't have a preview either |
| 13:48.36 | annma | bushwakko: yeah we get it, but what is the idea? |
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| 13:48.49 | StarScream | hey annma |
| 13:48.51 | GraveDigger | bushwakko: no it isnt - its just you who thinks it were |
| 13:49.21 | annma | you see I just had an idea for improving doc but I am able to write it precisely with what component to change and how I want it to behave now |
| 13:49.53 | bushwakko | GraveDigger: I just told you, take an app without a prieview window (and there is quite a few option dialogs without one) you have to change something, apply and if you don't like, change it back, apply. in gnome/osx you change if you don't like cancel, if you like close |
| 13:50.10 | abefar | Hmm.. can anyone tell me how I disable the "one-click" interface in KDE 3.4? I want to doubleclick on files to execute them, like GNOME for example :) Just installed SuSE 10.0 with KDE |
| 13:50.26 | StarScream | abefar: in Kcontrol, mouse |
| 13:50.26 | bushwakko | thats a lot fewer clicks |
| 13:50.53 | GraveDigger | bushwakko: well, usually i setup only stuff i like... not stuff i will take back later on |
| 13:50.55 | annma | bushwakko: so what component to change in kde? |
| 13:51.10 | abefar | StarScream > Oh, thank you, never thinked of looking in mouse settings :D |
| 13:51.19 | bushwakko | annma: I'm not an architect, it's my idea |
| 13:51.29 | annma | well.... |
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| 13:51.35 | StarScream | abefar: yeh, that should be looked at, its not all that intuitive. |
| 13:51.39 | annma | I can say I want a gimp for kde |
| 13:51.44 | bushwakko | but I gues the input controls get an extra apply feature added to it, apply on change |
| 13:51.44 | annma | or emacs for kde |
| 13:51.48 | StarScream | annma: so do i :) |
| 13:52.00 | bushwakko | and the window records the settings on entering, and resets them if clicked cancel |
| 13:52.00 | GraveDigger | annma: ever tried "krita" |
| 13:52.02 | GraveDigger | ? |
| 13:52.07 | annma | GraveDigger: YES |
| 13:52.08 | StarScream | GraveDigger: have you ? |
| 13:52.17 | StarScream | its not quite gimp standards yet, very young |
| 13:52.21 | annma | GraveDigger: and it's better |
| 13:52.21 | GraveDigger | annma: okay, it far from beeing as powerful as gimp, but its on a good way |
| 13:52.22 | StarScream | very good, but still young |
| 13:52.27 | annma | YES |
| 13:52.30 | annma | I love Krita |
| 13:52.34 | GraveDigger | :D |
| 13:52.44 | annma | GraveDigger: I work on the KOffice team for a few weeks |
| 13:53.03 | annma | docs and some bug fixes for the moment |
| 13:53.04 | GraveDigger | StarScream: sure i have - i love krita - its exactly the app i like most about all koffice stuff |
| 13:53.20 | GraveDigger | annma: nice thing, mate! :) |
| 13:54.28 | StarScream | GraveDigger: in around 2 years i think it will be a killer app . |
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| 13:54.40 | bushwakko | annma: my point is, it works that way in gnome, and I think (personally) its better AND i think it is easier to understand, AND has less clicks than the one allready implemented |
| 13:54.53 | annma | yes I get that! |
| 13:54.57 | annma | youu said it already |
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| 13:55.04 | annma | but this is not konstruktive |
| 13:55.04 | bushwakko | annma: dont you agree? |
| 13:55.12 | GraveDigger | StarScream: i hope so! |
| 13:55.22 | annma | whatever I agree or not does not matter, bushwakko |
| 13:55.32 | annma | I like to suggest intelligently |
| 13:55.41 | annma | so to make it possible |
| 13:56.00 | annma | and I do my part in that making possible |
| 13:56.03 | DexterF | eye candy question: was the dropshadow patch incorporated in kde 3.4? |
| 13:56.51 | bluesceada | hm i think krita and gimp dev's should work a bit together |
| 13:57.07 | bluesceada | or we'll have some features in gimp we really want, and some others in krita, we really want |
| 13:57.16 | bushwakko | annma: I'll post it on the wishlist |
| 13:57.25 | annma | lol |
| 13:57.43 | annma | do that but really don't wait too much on such a vague idea |
| 13:57.53 | StarScream | bushwakko: can i pm you ? |
| 13:57.54 | bushwakko | also, everyone vote on this: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90051 |
| 13:57.56 | annma | you totally miss my point |
| 13:57.59 | bushwakko | StarScream: sure |
| 13:58.04 | bushwakko | it's a free country |
| 13:58.05 | bushwakko | hehe |
| 13:58.21 | bushwakko | well, I don't know about your country though |
| 13:58.24 | bluesceada | annma: 16 bit per channel support and something like ufraw for krita would be really needed, at least for me |
| 13:58.30 | CHodapp | I'm going to slaughter the next person who uses "It's a free country" |
| 13:58.44 | annma | bluesceada: make a wish for it |
| 13:58.56 | bushwakko | but "it's a free country" |
| 13:58.57 | bushwakko | hehe |
| 13:59.23 | CHodapp | I thought Krita already supported 16 bits per channel |
| 14:00.35 | bluesceada | ok .. |
| 14:00.48 | bluesceada | CHodapp: but there is nothing about that in the menus :S |
| 14:00.51 | bluesceada | so you cant convert it... |
| 14:01.21 | null__ | any one running xinerama ? |
| 14:01.29 | CHodapp | "Krita is a painting and image editing application for KOffice. Krita is part of KOffice since 1.4. Krita contains both ease-of-use and fun features like guided painting (never before has it been so easy to airbrush a straight line!) and high-end features like support for 16 bit images, CMYK and even OpenEXR HDR images." |
| 14:01.33 | CHodapp | There is my only source of information |
| 14:01.43 | CHodapp | I use CinePaint and GIMP and ImageMagick for the rest of my work |
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| 14:03.13 | bluesceada | CHodapp: hm ok ... |
| 14:03.26 | CHodapp | You can use ImageMagick to convert, quite trivially |
| 14:03.29 | bluesceada | but how can i convert the 16bit to 8 etc :S |
| 14:03.35 | bluesceada | yeah but that's not a good workflow |
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| 14:04.42 | bluesceada | CHodapp: but it seems i cant save images in 16bit .... if i open a 16bit tif and save it again it's smaller and krita also tells me i'll lose information when saving |
| 14:04.48 | CHodapp | Then don't use Krita. |
| 14:04.59 | bluesceada | that's not the point ^^ |
| 14:05.10 | CHodapp | Is your work important enough that it needs to get done? |
| 14:05.11 | bluesceada | but good it supports 16bit per channel .. it seems |
| 14:05.15 | bluesceada | maybe just importing? |
| 14:05.25 | CHodapp | it uses ImageMagick, it should support saving.... |
| 14:05.27 | bluesceada | CHodapp: no i'm just a hobby photgrapher^^ |
| 14:05.38 | bluesceada | hm |
| 14:05.40 | CHodapp | So am I, but I make panoramics and raytraces in 48-bit color |
| 14:05.49 | CHodapp | And I use CinePaint and ImageMagick generally |
| 14:05.59 | bluesceada | hugin is good for panoramas... |
| 14:06.25 | CHodapp | Hugin sucks but there is nothing else available. |
| 14:06.36 | bluesceada | why does it suck |
| 14:07.17 | CHodapp | It crashes like a freaking mofo and sometimes it violently screws things up, then I'll restart it and it might work. Certain combinations of photographs it completely fails to get into any layout that is close to coherent - and I'm not talking about a 360-degree or multi-row panoramic. |
| 14:07.33 | bluesceada | never crashed for me.. |
| 14:07.56 | CHodapp | Then I'd like to know your configuration, because Hugin is all I have to work with. |
| 14:08.12 | CHodapp | For one thing, it crashes on JPEGs with me, and that could be a library issue but I don't have a single other app that crashes on JPEGs. |
| 14:08.41 | bluesceada | i let panoramas be saved as "high quality tiff" |
| 14:08.52 | CHodapp | I do too. But the files from my camera are JPEGs. |
| 14:08.56 | bluesceada | hmm |
| 14:09.05 | bluesceada | mine are raw ... i first raw convert them .. |
| 14:09.12 | bluesceada | but also to jpeg normally |
| 14:09.39 | bluesceada | i've hugin-0.5_rc1-r2 (gentoo portage..) |
| 14:10.10 | CHodapp | http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2278/cincy25nl.jpg and http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/470/newport4iy.jpg . . . those are both mine from Hugin and Enblend . . . . but I also have some that have totally failed to come out coherently, no matter how many horizontal guides I defined |
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| 14:10.42 | bluesceada | hm .. dont you use autopano to generate the points ?? you can do that from within hugin |
| 14:10.54 | CHodapp | I use autopano. It doesn't matter. |
| 14:10.57 | CHodapp | I've done it by hand too. |
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| 14:11.09 | CHodapp | Some sets of photos, it just does not deal with properly, and I don't know why because there is nothing special about them. |
| 14:11.31 | bluesceada | hm .. your camera produces quite much noise it seems |
| 14:11.34 | bluesceada | in the blue sky |
| 14:11.42 | CHodapp | I know... |
| 14:11.47 | bluesceada | that could be autopano problem .,. but if you tried it else .. hmh |
| 14:12.00 | CHodapp | I manually checked every set of points with autopano. |
| 14:12.15 | CHodapp | Hugin was doing optimizations that were NOWHERE CLOSE. |
| 14:12.24 | CHodapp | So, I'll try upgrading... but whatever. |
| 14:12.28 | bluesceada | hm |
| 14:12.34 | bluesceada | yeah updat it of course :) |
| 14:13.02 | CHodapp | And my preview window is always screwed up... the sliders don't work right... and the images are never centered unless I'm really really lucky |
| 14:13.33 | CHodapp | and when I'm adjusting the anchor, it only works properly if everything is set to zero, otherwise it totally ignores where I click |
| 14:15.00 | bluesceada | :S |
| 14:15.02 | CHodapp | but if anyone thinks I'm going to wrestle with Windows..... |
| 14:15.06 | bluesceada | so update hugin .. what version do you have |
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| 14:15.16 | CHodapp | 0.5.0, compiling rc2 now |
| 14:15.19 | bluesceada | hm ok |
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| 14:16.03 | furbsd | why is kde so slow |
| 14:16.06 | CHodapp | can you help with autopano while I'm at it? I have Autopano (not Autopano-Sift) working but I don't know how to automate it |
| 14:16.36 | CHodapp | er... automate it in Hugin |
| 14:16.39 | bluesceada | hm in gentoo i just did unmerge autopano-sift and emerge autopano-sift |
| 14:16.48 | bluesceada | ehm unmask not unmerge |
| 14:17.20 | furbsd | how long does gentoo take to install |
| 14:17.32 | GraveDigger | furbsd: ask in #gentoo |
| 14:17.39 | bluesceada | yeh.. |
| 14:17.42 | GraveDigger | furbsd: but hey: it takes a loooong time |
| 14:17.51 | bluesceada | stage3 not sooo long |
| 14:18.03 | furbsd | pointless |
| 14:18.19 | GraveDigger | <flame>stage3 is for whimps</flame> |
| 14:18.25 | GraveDigger | :P |
| 14:18.26 | bluesceada | xD |
| 14:18.29 | GraveDigger | (just kidding) |
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| 14:18.45 | bluesceada | my first attempt with linux was gentoo stage1 .. |
| 14:18.52 | GraveDigger | omg |
| 14:18.59 | bluesceada | had no big problems with it |
| 14:19.05 | CHodapp | I did. |
| 14:19.10 | furbsd | how long did it take to install stage1? |
| 14:19.15 | GraveDigger | 2 weeks |
| 14:19.16 | bluesceada | but afterwards i thought i could've just used stage3 with athlonxp tarball |
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| 14:19.28 | GraveDigger | (on a pII 266MHz) |
| 14:19.30 | furbsd | lol 2 weeks |
| 14:19.32 | bluesceada | omg |
| 14:19.37 | bluesceada | no ... a weekend |
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| 14:19.45 | furbsd | that's simply stupid |
| 14:20.00 | GraveDigger | yeah, the first weekend was for the bootstrap |
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| 14:20.16 | GraveDigger | X and kde took until the next weekend |
| 14:20.25 | GraveDigger | and all other stuff the second week |
| 14:20.37 | furbsd | ... |
| 14:20.42 | furbsd | for real |
| 14:20.50 | GraveDigger | but hey: pentium2s are not the fastest... |
| 14:21.29 | furbsd | cpu0: Intel Mobile Pentium II (686-class), 363.97 MHz, id 0x66a |
| 14:21.32 | furbsd | my cpu |
| 14:21.35 | GraveDigger | LOL |
| 14:21.50 | GraveDigger | oops :D :D :D :D |
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| 14:22.04 | furbsd | it's slow |
| 14:23.06 | bc-bd | furbsd: 36mb ram? |
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| 14:24.25 | furbsd | total memory = 159 MB |
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| 14:24.59 | furbsd | you think kde will be fast on it? |
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| 14:26.07 | furbsd | i run netbsd on my laptop |
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| 14:26.52 | GraveDigger | then let it be |
| 14:27.02 | GraveDigger | kde need massive amounts of ram to run smoothly |
| 14:27.09 | GraveDigger | in my case around 500MB |
| 14:27.17 | GraveDigger | (without swapping) |
| 14:28.01 | furbsd | i use fluxbox and opera |
| 14:28.04 | furbsd | for now |
| 14:29.17 | GraveDigger | well, my favorite wisdom: never touch a running system |
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| 14:29.33 | furbsd | even it's broken |
| 14:29.33 | GraveDigger | would be a great advise for you and your laptop |
| 14:30.01 | furbsd | my problem is audio and sleep/wakeup mode |
| 14:30.12 | furbsd | so i'm looking for an alternative |
| 14:30.30 | furbsd | Cirrus Logic CS4610 SoundFusion Audio Accelerator (audio multimedia, revision 0x01) at pci0 dev 6 function 0 not configured |
| 14:30.33 | furbsd | audio0 at sb0: half duplex, mmap, independent |
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| 14:31.04 | furbsd | this thing doesn't allow any program to play music |
| 14:31.11 | furbsd | or any sound |
| 14:32.17 | CHodapp | apparently there is a lot of animosity against Qt... |
| 14:32.39 | furbsd | i think i need to install another os |
| 14:32.53 | GraveDigger | CHodapp: ??? |
| 14:33.02 | GraveDigger | what's so wrong about qt? |
| 14:33.04 | bushwakko | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114690 <--- Feel free to vote or enter comments on why its great, and why it sucks! :) |
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| 14:33.17 | dv_ | well, there are several purists who hate the moc preprocessor |
| 14:33.27 | CHodapp | GraveDigger, the LICENSE! |
| 14:33.43 | GraveDigger | CHodapp: so? wasnt qt gpl stuff now? |
| 14:34.12 | CHodapp | It's the part that you can't make commercial apps without paying $1800 for their license. |
| 14:34.14 | GraveDigger | iirc there was a major change in trolltech's licensing policy for qt |
| 14:34.21 | GraveDigger | aye |
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| 14:34.53 | dv_ | I dont get it |
| 14:35.13 | dv_ | when CEOs look at opensource, |
| 14:35.39 | dv_ | and ask how one should make money with it, the OS zealots say that dual licensing is perfectly OK. |
| 14:35.49 | dv_ | but once a company actually uses dual licensing, suddenly its a bad thing. |
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| 14:36.56 | CHodapp | There are other things, like not being allowed to use any code you wrote for free Qt on professional Qt... you have to buy the license before you start development... |
| 14:37.05 | GraveDigger | dv_: well, this is easy: those folks want more bsd licensing -> opensource but no fees for commercial stuff using it |
| 14:38.13 | dv_ | but if no fees shall be applied, then opensource isn't attractive for many IT companies |
| 14:38.22 | dv_ | support is another thing |
| 14:38.35 | dv_ | IBM can live from support fees, but other companies cant |
| 14:38.36 | GraveDigger | sorry, i dont understand you |
| 14:38.46 | StarScream | dv_: opensource isn't viable for every application. |
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| 14:39.09 | dv_ | StarScream, tell that to the FSF guys :) |
| 14:40.03 | furbsd | many companies are switching to support |
| 14:40.24 | StarScream | dv_: i think you will find that the more widely used the application is, the more viable open source is for it. If you have 20 people using your app, then its not likely that you will gain anything from open source |
| 14:40.51 | dv_ | well, for example, why should adobe make photoshop opensource? |
| 14:41.12 | GraveDigger | no, look at it the "american way" what is a app good for, if there was no backdoor for the government? |
| 14:41.18 | GraveDigger | </flame> |
| 14:41.22 | GraveDigger | *an |
| 14:41.23 | StarScream | dv_: i am not saying they should or shouldn't but they could quite easily sell support for photoshop |
| 14:41.38 | StarScream | dv_: also there is a large linux market that they are ignoring |
| 14:41.44 | CHodapp | Photoshop includes proprietary code for things like Pantone. |
| 14:41.45 | dv_ | and, for example, games? |
| 14:41.57 | GraveDigger | marketing stuff |
| 14:42.07 | GraveDigger | all those new "game engines" |
| 14:42.13 | GraveDigger | ... and whatnot |
| 14:42.18 | StarScream | dv_: games could easily be make opensource, the guys at ID don't make money selling games, they sell the engine |
| 14:42.28 | dv_ | they are an exception |
| 14:42.36 | dv_ | what about the companies that actually make money selling GAMES? |
| 14:42.43 | StarScream | which is actually open soruce (quake 3 for example) |
| 14:42.48 | Skrotto | Same with EPIC and the unreal-engine |
| 14:42.50 | StarScream | dv_: sell them then. I'll buy something |
| 14:42.53 | Skrotto | And the guys who made Far Cry |
| 14:43.03 | StarScream | i would buy a game even if its open source |
| 14:43.05 | GraveDigger | StarScream: yeah, but consider how old q3 is - the "current" stuff from id is also closed source |
| 14:43.06 | StarScream | more so |
| 14:44.03 | CHodapp | The engine is usually open-sourced, the game data remains proprietary |
| 14:44.04 | dv_ | I doubt we will see opensource AAA games anytime soon. |
| 14:44.17 | GraveDigger | and it is not only id that ignores a quite great linux user market, those EA folks do the same |
| 14:44.33 | CHodapp | id ignores the Linux market? |
| 14:44.34 | dv_ | the engine is usually NOT opensources. |
| 14:44.37 | dv_ | -s +d |
| 14:44.44 | Skrotto | ID is quite good at NOT ignoring the linux market imho :> |
| 14:44.52 | GraveDigger | sorry, i meant photoshop guys |
| 14:44.53 | dv_ | only id releases the engine as opensource |
| 14:45.02 | dv_ | and even then only when its quite old |
| 14:45.03 | GraveDigger | Skrotto: yeah true - my fault |
| 14:45.12 | Skrotto | ah, adobe is |
| 14:45.13 | frb | which focus model is "sloppy" ? |
| 14:45.16 | CHodapp | Doom3 has a Linux port, and I seem to recall that Enemy Territory came from them too... |
| 14:45.31 | GraveDigger | but it looks as if in their eyes (EA, photoshop) that "linux market" wasnt big enough to b a "real deal" --- |
| 14:45.42 | dv_ | which is quite logical, since the current contractors would be quite pissed when they bought the doom3 engine, only to see it being released as opensource few weeks later |
| 14:45.45 | frb | focus window if mouse over it, select transient dialogs of current application only, and don't lose focus when over desktop |
| 14:45.57 | frb | is that follow, or under? |
| 14:46.03 | dv_ | GraveDigger, and they are right |
| 14:46.18 | dv_ | EA I mean |
| 14:46.30 | Skrotto | dv_: they could always dual-license it ;) |
| 14:46.49 | GraveDigger | the ceo of ati for example once said, that before ati has not 25% linux users they will not start developing real good drivers for linux |
| 14:47.04 | CHodapp | companies like that just hold things back |
| 14:47.14 | frb | that's why I like NVidia |
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| 14:47.18 | dv_ | the linux gaming market is simply too small, game developers cannot risk developing for it |
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| 14:47.20 | GraveDigger | frb: me, too |
| 14:47.24 | CHodapp | Nvidia's drivers sometimes aren't great either... |
| 14:47.35 | frb | they support the drivers well, they respond quickly, and they are really sweet drivers |
| 14:47.39 | furbsd | it's all about money |
| 14:47.40 | dv_ | they have to make sure the games get sold well, else they become bankrupt |
| 14:47.57 | frb | you always get a bad build once in a while, but usually they kick ass |
| 14:48.03 | CHodapp | and I seriously doubt that it would cost that much to develop for Linux |
| 14:48.16 | dv_ | thats why we always get the same shooters, the same WWII games, etc. |
| 14:48.21 | dv_ | CHodapp, it does |
| 14:48.33 | CHodapp | If individuals can do it in their spare time and get decent games with installers, |
| 14:48.34 | dv_ | know-how? support? setup? bugs? |
| 14:49.06 | dv_ | individuals have no pressure from the publisher, no deadline, and no financial dependency on the success of their game |
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| 14:49.50 | CHodapp | And some of these individuals could write the whole thing in about a week if they were under any pressure. |
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| 14:50.19 | dv_ | also, most game engines use d3d by now |
| 14:50.23 | dv_ | and not opengl |
| 14:50.35 | dv_ | which makes things much more complicated |
| 14:50.37 | Skrotto | That bites :> |
| 14:50.37 | bssteph | that's a design decision |
| 14:50.52 | bssteph | companies could choose to not use d3d and the problem goes away |
| 14:51.26 | dv_ | why should they? |
| 14:51.38 | GraveDigger | but i hear many people claiming, that d3d offers much more features and is easier to use than opengl |
| 14:51.40 | dv_ | most of their codebase uses d3d |
| 14:51.53 | bssteph | why should they not? it's their decision to make |
| 14:51.59 | dv_ | and yes, d3d IS easier to use. in windows at least |
| 14:52.04 | CHodapp | My point is just that I hate the attitude of blatantly ignoring Linux and locking out even the possibility of support. They could even do something like offer the code under a non-disclosure agreement and let some Linux hackers port it themselves |
| 14:52.05 | seekHim | does anybody know if there's a way to make kweather use a different font in kde 3.4? |
| 14:52.06 | bssteph | there's no law that says "use d3d or fail" |
| 14:52.15 | bssteph | so maybe the problem is developers not caring about linux |
| 14:52.22 | bssteph | or maybe they just like d3d because it's easier |
| 14:52.29 | bssteph | and those are valid reasons to choose one |
| 14:52.34 | bssteph | but it is ultimately, just a choice |
| 14:52.51 | dv_ | well, with d3d you usually get stuff to work sooner |
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| 14:52.53 | bssteph | a developer could say "screw that, we want to try linux support, let's use ogl, we know it's possible" |
| 14:53.18 | GraveDigger | bssteph: but you have no clue, what trades haven been made between the companies and microsoft |
| 14:53.19 | dv_ | no, a developer says "use what needs the least amount of time & efforts, since time is money" |
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| 14:53.38 | GraveDigger | bssteph: and everone knows that billy and microsoft HATE linux and the FSF |
| 14:53.51 | bssteph | GraveDigger: and companies can choose to not make those trades |
| 14:54.04 | bssteph | dv_: sales are money too |
| 14:54.06 | GraveDigger | but thats a question of money |
| 14:54.11 | bssteph | GraveDigger: yes it is |
| 14:54.13 | bssteph | look |
| 14:54.22 | seekHim | Y'know, I think there's more to it than that. Linux holds maybe 10% of the market, if we're lucky? |
| 14:54.28 | bssteph | i'm not saying companies have "no reason" to not support linux |
| 14:54.39 | bssteph | i'm just saying, there's nothing stopping a company to choose to |
| 14:54.42 | dv_ | bssteph, it doesnt pay off to support the few % using linux |
| 14:54.50 | CHodapp | Not in the short run, no. |
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| 14:55.07 | dv_ | the effort to support them is too high to be profitable |
| 14:55.09 | CHodapp | But there is more than the short run. |
| 14:55.16 | bssteph | i'll also point out that i'm not a businessman |
| 14:55.27 | seekHim | dv_: That's exactly my point. It sucks, because there're a lot of great windows apps that I'd love to have for linux. Then again, that's what emulators are for. :P |
| 14:55.31 | bssteph | but there have been very successful linux clients from successful companies for successful games |
| 14:55.37 | dv_ | with the d3d9 sdk I get TONS of help, samples, utitility functions for PRT, HDR, tons of tutorials, helpers, wizards etc. |
| 14:55.53 | GraveDigger | dv_: but that thing with the NDA is fully true - if the company cant afford it, it could also let that stuff do others... |
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| 14:56.05 | GraveDigger | this dual-licensing stuff is pretty true then |
| 14:56.09 | bssteph | so you can't tell me there's a technical reason not to support linux |
| 14:56.13 | bssteph | it's business decisions |
| 14:56.16 | bssteph | and i don't deny that |
| 14:56.18 | dv_ | most importantly, the shader issues arent present with d3d9 |
| 14:56.19 | CHodapp | bssteph, because Microsoft said so |
| 14:56.34 | bssteph | CHodapp: microsoft does not control which code compiles and which doesn't |
| 14:56.38 | GraveDigger | dv_: what shader issues? |
| 14:56.44 | dv_ | bssteph, a few years ago there were technical issues |
| 14:56.48 | CHodapp | bssteph, they do if they write the compilers :P |
| 14:56.52 | dv_ | well, today we have GLSL |
| 14:56.55 | bssteph | that's nice if i go to the past |
| 14:57.09 | bssteph | CHodapp: microsoft does not control the compiler on a developer's box |
| 14:57.12 | dv_ | but to support something less than a FX, you have to write several code paths for each vendor |
| 14:57.23 | seekHim | CHodapp: Not like they write gcc (not the linux version, any way - is there even a windows version?) |
| 14:57.39 | GraveDigger | seekHim: there is, using mingw |
| 14:58.00 | seekHim | GraveDigger: which is, of course, not developed by Mickeysoft. |
| 14:58.25 | bssteph | there are a million things that i think are wrong with the game industry |
| 14:58.36 | bssteph | and their phobia of taking chances is one of them |
| 14:58.39 | dv_ | today, we have the GLSL shaders and the ARB vertex/fragment programs, but in the gf4 generation, there were no standardized shaders for OpenGL, but there were some for d3d. so, back then everyone who wanted to use shaders in games chose d3d |
| 14:58.44 | CHodapp | bssteph, but it's known that they do things in the industry to push people into only supporting Windows. |
| 14:58.47 | bssteph | and i think it's manifested in some part in this argument |
| 14:58.51 | GraveDigger | seekHim: of course not, but again there *may* be treaties (which i dont know about) that force a companie to use a certain development environment in exchange for whatever benefits |
| 14:59.00 | bushwakko | http://bugs.kde.org/votes.cgi?action=show_user&bug_id=114692 |
| 14:59.03 | GraveDigger | i know, this may or not be the case ... but its possible |
| 14:59.03 | dv_ | now, their codebase from back then is still present, and its cheaper to continue using d3d than to switch to ogl |
| 14:59.10 | bssteph | CHodapp: they sure do, but dirty pool under the table shouldn't work into the argument for validity |
| 14:59.29 | CHodapp | bssteph, validity for switching to Linux? |
| 14:59.40 | bssteph | validity of supporting linux, or using ogl |
| 14:59.43 | seekHim | GraveDigger: Yes, it's possible. Why do you think corel linux is dead? For that mater, why do you think WordPerfect for linux is dead? |
| 14:59.43 | bssteph | because it'd be like saying "well i could just find a developer and threaten their family if they use d3d" |
| 14:59.47 | bssteph | it's irrelevant |
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| 15:00.13 | bssteph | there are ways i could just hijack the argument (under the table deals, threats to family) that don't really have any bearing on the argument |
| 15:00.19 | bssteph | but would certainly force things to go one way |
| 15:00.46 | GraveDigger | seekHim: *sigh* and why borland doesnt do anythin further in developing kylix |
| 15:00.47 | CHodapp | bssteph, well, it's one more reason that they don't develop for Linux. As of now, the only technical argument I have for not supporting Linux is the lack of a clear standard, or what is perceived to be the lack of a clear standard. |
| 15:00.50 | frb | the reason is that most linux user are still greedy little punks who don't want to pay for anything, even if it is cheap and worth it |
| 15:00.58 | bssteph | CHodapp: i'd agree with that |
| 15:01.10 | seekHim | CHodapp: lsb |
| 15:01.17 | seekHim | GraveDigger: /me nods |
| 15:01.21 | dv_ | I missed something like the directx9 help for opengl |
| 15:01.33 | CHodapp | seekHim, what is PERCEIVED to be the lack of a clear standard.... they see multiple solutions and don't know what to do |
| 15:01.41 | bssteph | to some degree there's no driving force in creating a good coherent suite in linux |
| 15:01.43 | dv_ | its just not fun to gather bits of information from the OGL registry databse, from several tutorials etc. |
| 15:01.52 | seekHim | CHodapp: True. |
| 15:02.11 | dv_ | for that matter, is there something like the microsoft CHM format for linux? |
| 15:02.15 | CHodapp | CHM? |
| 15:02.24 | dv_ | compressed html |
| 15:02.32 | CHodapp | Um.... html.gz? |
| 15:02.34 | GraveDigger | html.gz? |
| 15:02.38 | GraveDigger | ^^ |
| 15:02.40 | seekHim | CHodapp: Come Horde Money |
| 15:02.55 | bssteph | anyway, i have to go to class |
| 15:02.57 | dv_ | well, the entire directx9 help is in one CHM |
| 15:03.10 | CHodapp | well, you can get whole books on OpenGL... |
| 15:03.10 | GraveDigger | ugly |
| 15:03.23 | dv_ | wrong. it rocks |
| 15:03.26 | seekHim | bssteph: What're you studying? |
| 15:03.35 | bssteph | software engineering |
| 15:03.37 | GraveDigger | dv_: why does it? |
| 15:03.52 | seekHim | bssteph: Are you listening to the discussion at hand? :) |
| 15:03.54 | dv_ | because it is extremely detailed, thorough, and easy to accesss |
| 15:03.55 | dv_ | -s |
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| 15:03.57 | bssteph | one of my classes right now, to some extent, is the difference between a market constraint and a design decision constraint |
| 15:04.04 | bssteph | seekHim: i just finished getting angry at it ;) |
| 15:04.10 | sredna | Hi bssteph |
| 15:04.19 | bssteph | hi and bye sredna |
| 15:04.21 | seekHim | bssteph: hehehehe good girl (I think you're a girl, anyway) |
| 15:04.29 | bssteph | nope |
| 15:04.35 | bssteph | although i get that often, my nick is confusing |
| 15:04.36 | seekHim | *oops! Sorry! |
| 15:04.46 | dv_ | and books cost money. the directx9 chm is freely available |
| 15:05.01 | bssteph | anyway, bye |
| 15:05.03 | dv_ | ironically, MS is offering here the free option :) |
| 15:05.05 | GraveDigger | bye bssteph |
| 15:05.06 | seekHim | bssteph: see ya! |
| 15:05.08 | CHodapp | I was talking about digital books... |
| 15:05.26 | dv_ | pdfs? chms are MUCH better for references |
| 15:05.36 | CHodapp | DID I SAY PDF, YOU STUPID FUCK? |
| 15:05.39 | dv_ | actually, they can be compared to devhelp |
| 15:05.57 | willwork4foo | CHodapp: language please |
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| 15:06.56 | GraveDigger | ebooks in whatever format at all... directx help is not the only stuff that's available as information source |
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| 15:07.19 | GraveDigger | and there are many ebooks covering opengl and programming with it |
| 15:07.41 | CHodapp | You have Microsoft controlling the entire API for an OS that they control. No crap there are going to be some benefits. OpenGL has input from a lot of other people and is a standard that actually has to be supported on multiple OSes. |
| 15:08.13 | dv_ | CHodapp, ever actually SEEN the dx9 sdk? |
| 15:08.23 | dv_ | of course they control the API, and I dont like that either. |
| 15:08.51 | GraveDigger | but? |
| 15:08.52 | dv_ | but if the rumors are right, dx10 will be light years ahead of dx9, which already is an excellent collection of apis. |
| 15:09.07 | CHodapp | If you write all your GUI apps in Visual Basic, yeah, Windows is all that it's economical to support and all that it will run on. Know why? |
| 15:11.34 | dv_ | if someone creates stuff with VB, this usually doesnt matter because windows will be used anyway |
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| 15:11.48 | CHodapp | s/VB/D3D/ |
| 15:12.14 | CHodapp | It's an easier option, because they don't have to deal with supporting anything else in the marketplace. |
| 15:12.30 | CHodapp | Inertia at work, holding back much progress. |
| 15:13.11 | dv_ | well, if supporting opengl costs too much, its quite natural that people ditch it |
| 15:13.32 | cbr | is there any KDE app for drawing vectors in physics etc? |
| 15:14.18 | GraveDigger | cbr: dunno what you mean exactly, but maybe karbon14 is what you are looking for |
| 15:14.26 | GraveDigger | cbr: its part of koffice |
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| 15:15.16 | CHodapp | Costs too much? You've likely got much more support and information at your disposal because it's used in a lot of other professional applications, and if you were reasonably competent you could support either one for free. |
| 15:15.41 | cbr | GraveDigger: i mean for physics school exercises.. drawing the little arrows that symbolize vectors etc |
| 15:15.51 | CHodapp | Free-body diagrams? |
| 15:16.01 | cbr | dont know what that means but maybe |
| 15:16.25 | CHodapp | You might need some sort of CAD or drawing app in order to get exact vectors |
| 15:16.30 | dv_ | do you know how HARD it is to write a cutting-edge engine with opengl? |
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| 15:16.46 | dv_ | it is hard with d3d already, but with opengl you have to deals with tons of additional issues |
| 15:17.03 | CHodapp | Like what? |
| 15:17.11 | CHodapp | I've seen plenty of pages as well that claim it's harder on D3D |
| 15:17.19 | dv_ | render-to-texture, an essential feature nowadays, hasn't been properly supported |
| 15:17.26 | cbr | CHodapp: for drawing vector arrows |
| 15:17.26 | CHodapp | Your viewpoint is opinion, as far as I'm concerned, from someone who doesn't like OpenGL |
| 15:17.43 | dv_ | an useful extension (framebuffer objects) only exists since january, d3d supports these since 2000 (!!!!) |
| 15:17.58 | dv_ | my viewpoing is from someone who uses BOTH apis |
| 15:18.20 | CHodapp | I don't care if you use them both, you bring along your personal biases. |
| 15:18.20 | dv_ | and no, pbuffers and glTexCopyImage2D are not adequate |
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| 15:18.50 | jimmy__ | hello |
| 15:19.13 | dv_ | shaders? I already mentioned the problems with these. HDR formats support? again an extensions mess. |
| 15:19.39 | dv_ | while I really like opengl, I really hate these annoying issues which make stuff unnecessarily harder |
| 15:20.01 | dv_ | it is true that non-extensions stuff is usually easier to do with opengl. the famous spinning cube with glVertex3f() calls |
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| 15:20.38 | PhilOut | hi jimmy__ |
| 15:20.40 | dv_ | but stuff like this: http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/ is much easier to do in d3d9 |
| 15:20.50 | CHodapp | How about "If you ever get out of your shiny Wintel box world, where there is a wide variety of other computing environments, D3D is totally worthless"? |
| 15:21.29 | CHodapp | And you actually have to put forth some care about whether or not your apps are going to run, rather than whether or not they're going to sell? |
| 15:22.05 | pinotree | hello PhilRod, how're things? |
| 15:22.06 | dv_ | well, for CAD and CGI stuff opengl is OK |
| 15:22.34 | CHodapp | Raycasting and rendering of the sort is rarely okay for certain CAD and CGI. |
| 15:22.35 | dv_ | but when talking about games, you care about how to develop stuff like the one from the URL quickly & easily |
| 15:22.45 | CHodapp | Games are freaking toys as far as I care. |
| 15:22.47 | bssteph | out of the shower; one thing to say regarding the immediate topic |
| 15:22.51 | dv_ | with the least amount of effort and costs |
| 15:23.53 | bssteph | the problem is the developer rarely has the financial independence to give a damn about their own wants |
| 15:23.55 | bssteph | the publisher has the iron fist to demand -everything- |
| 15:23.55 | dv_ | games are one HUGE advantage of windows. not directly, but it is one main reason why people still have dual boot systems |
| 15:23.56 | jimmy__ | i need an expert in qt for a question :-)... i have created a class : class KgpgKey : public QObject and another class : class KgpgListKeys : public QList<QPointer<KgpgKey> > because i want that when a KgpgListKeys is deleted, all pointers are deleted if there is (of course) no reference.... but it doesn't work. I use like : QPointer<KgpgKey> key = new KgpgKey() and i append with keylist.append(key) (or keylist << key) |
| 15:24.08 | dv_ | and nowadays, games like half life 2 cost as much as a blockbuster |
| 15:24.26 | bssteph | yes |
| 15:24.32 | GraveDigger | jimmy__: sorry, but you might want to ask in #kde-devel or #qt rather |
| 15:24.38 | bssteph | that's why the industry is afraid of risks |
| 15:24.39 | dv_ | it is a very, very big market, with no room for pride, ideologies, or risks |
| 15:24.44 | bssteph | yup |
| 15:24.48 | dv_ | theres only ONE thing: money |
| 15:24.50 | jimmy__ | oh sorry... wrong chan :-p |
| 15:24.59 | bssteph | the industry is in shambles. not the development process |
| 15:25.02 | CHodapp | They're still toys that barely matter outside of the Wintel world, i.e. most professional environments |
| 15:25.13 | GraveDigger | jimmy__: no problem... but this chan is more user oriented thatn developer oriented |
| 15:25.19 | GraveDigger | usually at least |
| 15:25.29 | PhilRod | pinotree: much too busy - playing lots of frisbee, doing lots of work, and since it wasn't busy enough, I've taken up some other stuff (juggling club, college orchestra) |
| 15:25.53 | dv_ | CHodapp, they barely matter outside the wintel world because no one develops games supporting anything else :P |
| 15:26.21 | pinotree | PhilRod: so i guess you have lots of free time :D |
| 15:26.31 | PhilRod | approximately none :-) |
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| 15:26.54 | CHodapp | dv_, maybe because outside of the Wintel world you find the majority of the systems not being used as toys . . . . and there are still games out there if you look, but they aren't the big industry they are in Windows |
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| 15:27.03 | pinotree | PhilRod: well, the timeframe 0am -> 8am is still free? :D |
| 15:27.24 | PhilRod | pinotree: heh, I haven't given up eating and sleep just yet :- |
| 15:27.25 | PhilRod | :-) |
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| 15:29.46 | dv__ | damn wlan card |
| 15:30.31 | dv__ | anyway, CHodapp, games cannot be ignored. they are simply too important. |
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| 15:31.01 | CHodapp | Mainstream games as they stand are worthless toys and a hindrance. |
| 15:31.03 | dv__ | if desktop linux shall gain a marketshare, then you cannot dismiss games as irrelevant toys |
| 15:31.28 | bssteph | i agree, but only because the mainstream games are crap |
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| 15:31.38 | bssteph | not because all games are crap, or because all mainstream games must be crap |
| 15:32.01 | CHodapp | And porn is disgusting, but if you run a warez site porn banner ads can be essential to the survival of the site... |
| 15:32.03 | bssteph | using technology as entertainment is one of the important steps in the success of the tech |
| 15:32.31 | bssteph | there's no reason why linux or whatever should be excluded just because people do more "important" things on them |
| 15:32.46 | CHodapp | People use Windows boxes for "important" stuff too. |
| 15:32.56 | sredna | Scary :o |
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| 15:33.01 | bssteph | no doubt, but as you said before |
| 15:33.11 | bssteph | "maybe because outside of the Wintel world you find the majority of the systems not being used as toys" |
| 15:33.21 | CHodapp | It's true. |
| 15:33.23 | dv__ | yeah, but if the kids cannot play CS on the linux box, there is no place for linux there. |
| 15:33.23 | bssteph | just because we have less toys doesn't mean we can't have them |
| 15:33.33 | bssteph | it's true but it doesn't dictate how things will be |
| 15:33.38 | dv__ | and desktop linux stays in its 5% niche |
| 15:33.44 | bc-bd | dv__: now that would not be a great loss would it ;) |
| 15:33.46 | bssteph | dv__ is on the ball |
| 15:33.53 | bssteph | and i really have to leave now, bye |
| 15:33.55 | CHodapp | it stays in its 5% niche because they are focusing on the short run. |
| 15:34.05 | bssteph | who is they |
| 15:34.13 | CHodapp | the industry and users in general. |
| 15:34.18 | bssteph | perhaps so |
| 15:34.31 | bssteph | but that doesn't mean there won't be the next carmack to buck the trend |
| 15:34.39 | bssteph | and do it on linux ;) |
| 15:34.51 | dv__ | CHodapp, for example planescape torment is an excellent game. its windows only, though. |
| 15:34.55 | dv__ | and cedega doesnt handle it |
| 15:34.57 | dv__ | -> dual boot |
| 15:35.07 | CHodapp | There are several thousand games that probably fit that model. |
| 15:36.24 | dv__ | i mean, people actually buy new computers just to play the overhyped games of the season |
| 15:36.27 | dv__ | look at doom3 |
| 15:36.33 | CHodapp | I know, and it's lamentable sometimes... |
| 15:36.41 | dv__ | no matter if the game is crap or not, there is another new PC with windows on it |
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| 15:37.16 | headunter_ | hi |
| 15:37.26 | sredna | Hi |
| 15:38.18 | headunter_ | i can't compile any kde programs (kget, amarok, kmail..) on my gentoo system anymore. with different kdelibs versions (sometimes with and without kdebase) i always get the same errors from ksgmltools2(?). can anybody help me please? the errormesage is pasted here: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=9289 |
| 15:38.24 | dv__ | besides, the line between game graphics and "traditional" CGI stuff is increasily becoming blurred |
| 15:39.46 | dv__ | a cheap PC with a desktop linux and WoW for linux preinstalled on it would be a HUGE boost for desktop linux |
| 15:40.02 | dv__ | and kde as DE, of course ;) |
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| 15:40.56 | headunter_ | dv_: and for hardware vendors. wine/cedega is slooow |
| 15:41.13 | dv__ | and doesnt work with all games |
| 15:41.24 | dv__ | which is a pity :/ |
| 15:41.29 | headunter_ | it rarely works for me even with official games. |
| 15:42.21 | headunter_ | see it ths way, if wine/cedega would work good enough the game vendors wouldn't provide linux binaries because they see no reason to do so. wine might be bad for gaming in the end. |
| 15:42.35 | dv__ | yeah |
| 15:42.53 | GraveDigger | ack |
| 15:43.13 | dv__ | besides, they would still rely on windows stuff |
| 15:43.20 | dv__ | which could lead to legal problems |
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| 15:46.21 | frb | how do I tell middle-click to open links in a new tab of the active konqueror? right now it's opening new windows |
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| 15:47.12 | PhilRod | advnaced options in web behaviour |
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| 15:47.45 | silsor | Is anybody using KDE on Debian who can test a bug for me? |
| 15:47.48 | sredna | frb: Try the configuration dialog - in the web behavior panel, check 'open links in new tab instead of new window' |
| 15:48.06 | silsor | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=304223 |
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| 15:49.09 | sredna | Hm, kde is generating a huge amount of manual pages now |
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| 15:50.20 | silsor | even if you're not using Debian, I need to know if that bug affects everybody |
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| 15:50.57 | frb | silly me, I was looking in Kcontrol |
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| 15:59.24 | ruxpin | what's the quick start component called? |
| 15:59.48 | ruxpin | it disappeared without me upgrading any kde packages :/ |
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| 16:03.04 | imperito | Howdy. Gentoo/3.4.3, Is there any way to make a konsole remain scrollable when "screen" is run? |
| 16:03.24 | annma | what s screen? |
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| 16:04.06 | Doktoreas | guys may i have the applet pannel to be divided from the toolbar? |
| 16:04.25 | Doktoreas | i mean application bar |
| 16:04.33 | annma | applet panel? |
| 16:04.41 | imperito | screen is a terminal multiplexing program, I notice when I use it on some systems it makes my konsole not scrollable any more |
| 16:04.52 | Doktoreas | like gnome |
| 16:05.10 | Doktoreas | bar on the bottom and application bar on the top |
| 16:05.26 | imperito | the taskbar? |
| 16:05.35 | annma | Doktoreas: you must assume we don't know gnome |
| 16:05.39 | annma | as we are in #kde |
| 16:05.45 | annma | so screenshot maybe? |
| 16:06.00 | annma | application bar: define |
| 16:06.00 | imperito | I think he means have several kickers and have the taskbar on one and buttons on the other, no? |
| 16:06.15 | Doktoreas | the bar where i see the application i runned |
| 16:06.22 | Doktoreas | :( italian sorry |
| 16:08.00 | annma | right click on the handle to se the name |
| 16:08.08 | annma | bar is too vague |
| 16:08.42 | Doktoreas | application bar |
| 16:08.50 | annma | imperito: on certain systems only, for screen? |
| 16:09.27 | imperito | Doktoreas: Try right clicking in the panel, click add to panel, select panel -> external taskbar |
| 16:09.32 | annma | Dock application bar? |
| 16:10.01 | imperito | then drag the panel to the top and the taskbar to the bottom, and see if that is what you are trying to get... |
| 16:11.02 | imperito | annma: I'm just looking at a konsole that I've sshed into another machine and run "screen" in, the ssh connection is hung but I cannot scroll the window to see up |
| 16:11.03 | Doktoreas | same |
| 16:11.18 | Doktoreas | i haven't external taskbar |
| 16:11.25 | annma | no? |
| 16:11.29 | Doktoreas | :O |
| 16:11.30 | Doktoreas | yes |
| 16:11.32 | Doktoreas | thx |
| 16:11.52 | annma | imperito: so maybe it's due to ssh |
| 16:12.09 | imperito | Now you can right click on the seperator just to the left of your normal taskbar, and select "remove" if you don't want it in two places, if you haven't already |
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| 16:13.28 | annma | zero0: weren't you the guy with the programming contest? |
| 16:14.46 | zero0 | yes :) |
| 16:15.01 | zero0 | u have something to offer with regards to this? |
| 16:15.06 | imperito | annma: perhaps, but its annoying not to be able to scroll my konsole |
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| 16:15.17 | imperito | I know its got some scrollback, usually I can get at it... |
| 16:15.31 | annma | imperito: I don't see why it should act on konsole only |
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| 16:15.52 | annma | zero0: I was wondering if you started something for kde? |
| 16:16.08 | zero0 | have not |
| 16:16.24 | annma | ;) hmmm |
| 16:16.29 | zero0 | :) |
| 16:16.34 | zero0 | it's like quantum anamoly |
| 16:16.53 | zero0 | you'll be pleasantly surprise if I start |
| 16:16.55 | annma | you have a big mouth then |
| 16:17.01 | zero0 | :) |
| 16:17.03 | zero0 | I do :) |
| 16:17.09 | annma | but brains? |
| 16:17.10 | zero0 | my mom told me I eat a lot |
| 16:17.14 | we2by | is kde 4 on its way allready?? |
| 16:17.15 | we2by | ;) |
| 16:17.28 | annma | we2by: well, one cannot exactly say that |
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| 16:17.37 | annma | it's in the bare porting phase |
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| 16:21.44 | Doktoreas | annma: just antoher question, i use kmail to ceck my gmail account |
| 16:22.00 | Doktoreas | is there an applet to autoceck mail? |
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| 16:22.14 | annma | there's a kcheckgmail applet |
| 16:22.20 | annma | look at kde-apps.org |
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| 16:24.14 | Doktoreas | thx! |
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| 16:27.31 | willwork4foo | is there a fabulous KDE-type program for using TV cards in Linux? |
| 16:28.42 | StevenR | willwork4foo: there is, k*tv or something, it's on kde-apps.rg...i prefer tvtime though |
| 16:28.46 | annma | there's some in kde, look at kde-apps.org |
| 16:29.36 | ChrisWhite | you monster! |
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| 16:37.21 | bjdemora_ | gah |
| 16:37.25 | bjdemora_ | Lisa just went down on me. (no, you dirty minded people - I meant LiSA the networking Daemon) |
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| 16:39.13 | Flendor_ | Good evening. |
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| 16:50.11 | pusling | is it possible to point korganizer on to a web link of a ical-file ? |
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| 16:50.57 | willwork4foo | ok... |
| 16:51.08 | willwork4foo | kdetv doesn't want to work, and the documentation doesn't help either |
| 16:51.20 | willwork4foo | anyone here successfully used kdetv? |
| 16:51.28 | Worf | willwork4foo: yep - for years |
| 16:51.48 | Worf | willwork4foo: however, since i never had any problems i might be of little help :) |
| 16:51.58 | willwork4foo | Worf: could you help me out? I've just installed the slackware package from www.linuxpackages.net for slackware 10.2 i686 |
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| 16:52.43 | Worf | willwork4foo: well, what does not work/ what errors do you get? |
| 16:53.20 | reagleBRKLN | how do i enable Konqueror audio (mp3) file "previews"? used to work a while ago, but doesn't anymore. noatun and arts and such do work otherwise. |
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| 16:54.25 | willwork4foo | well - when I go Channels -> Channel Wizard, it shows me a red light by: "VBI decoder is running", "Video plugin supports signal strength feedback" and "OK to scan" |
| 16:54.39 | willwork4foo | I've compiled support for my device into my kernel (2.6.13.4) |
| 16:54.52 | willwork4foo | lspci tells me: 02:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) |
| 16:55.45 | willwork4foo | my kernel .config has CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88=y and CONFIG_VIDEO_BTCX=y in it |
| 16:56.01 | willwork4foo | so I've compiled support into the kernel, I don't see what else I need to do |
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| 16:56.18 | Worf | willwork4foo: hmm |
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| 16:56.34 | willwork4foo | yes. |
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| 16:56.43 | willwork4foo | bbiab - need to go to shop. to be continued... |
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| 16:56.58 | jego | hallo |
| 16:59.14 | Worf | reagleBRKLN: just wanted to tell you, but now i don't find the setting myself :) |
| 16:59.32 | reagleBRKLN | Worf: i see a "media" but that didn't do it |
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| 17:01.13 | dESA | is there any easy way to install does themes? |
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| 17:04.05 | reagleBRKLN | Worf: need to go to "view" menu in konq file browser to enable |
| 17:04.26 | Worf | reagleBRKLN: ah - right |
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| 17:05.07 | illogical | http://www.banshee-project.org <-- GTK rip of Juk! |
| 17:05.22 | illogical | Now the gnomies finally have a decent audio player :-) |
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| 17:10.14 | cat-xeger | (kde 3.4, fglrx_4_3_0-8.18.6-1 driver) |
| 17:10.46 | Skrotto | I've got the ati driver, kde and have no problems setting the screen res? :P |
| 17:10.50 | Skrotto | Debian though |
| 17:11.15 | Worf | any lyx users around? ( or maybe eaven devs? :-) ) |
| 17:11.19 | cat-xeger | Heh. Sorry - was just trying to get there ;> Yast seems to stomp on the ati configs |
| 17:11.40 | cat-xeger | ... and this thing theoretically runs at 1600x1200 - but I can't get it past 1280x1024 |
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| 17:13.55 | cat-xeger | It could be that I'm just misinterpreting what my eyes are doing to me, but the entire screen seems slightly fuzzy. |
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| 17:15.22 | cat-xeger | Bah. I'm totally incoherent about describing problems today. Restarting. |
| 17:15.45 | cat-xeger | I upgraded to KDE3.4 because I wanted to use dual heads, and needed the ATI driver in order to do so. |
| 17:16.31 | cat-xeger | Since then, I've been able to get XF86 and the ATI driver working decently, with one caveat - the screen seems 'fuzzy', and where I used to be able to run at 1600x1200, I don't seem to be able to get past 1280x1024 now. |
| 17:17.09 | cat-xeger | Using the SuSE provided tool, YAST (I'm running SLES9p2), the XF86Config file seems to be overwritten in ways that break X/KDE |
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| 17:18.08 | cat-xeger | Does anybody know of some process that I should try to defuzz? Gnome desktop apps do seem somehow clearer, at least at the font level. |
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| 17:23.52 | _rr_ | cat: there's a GTK theme program for that |
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| 17:28.56 | cat-xeger | rr - cleaning up my kde? |
| 17:29.22 | cat-xeger | (just as useful might be where the kcontrol display module finds config information) |
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| 17:33.31 | vanishin | How do I get multiple panels? |
| 17:34.03 | vanishin | is it possible in kde 3.4.2 ? |
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| 17:38.08 | vanishin | How do I enable "Child Panel Extension" ? |
| 17:38.44 | vanishin | is anyone even here? |
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| 17:40.18 | vanishin | Is anyone here? Hello ? |
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| 17:40.56 | frb | you can get more panels by right clicking, and saying add to panel-> panel |
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| 17:41.37 | silent|warrior | i got a strange probs |
| 17:41.48 | silent|warrior | with the mime types i guess |
| 17:42.11 | silent|warrior | i got a .chm file |
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| 17:43.16 | pinotree | vanishin: right click on an existant panel->add new panel->(choose your type here) |
| 17:43.17 | spiko | can i align the background image to the bottom, non tiled, non streched ? |
| 17:43.18 | silent|warrior | and i select xcham to open that file and asign file type as CHM file, give extentions .chm and .CHM |
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| 17:44.06 | silent|warrior | now after doing this all other file tupes which usualy not recognized by linux go the same way |
| 17:44.11 | pinotree | spiko: no, iirc |
| 17:44.25 | silent|warrior | like with the .dat file types |
| 17:44.30 | silent|warrior | anyonw can help plz |
| 17:44.36 | spiko | pinotree: sadly, there's no such option :/ |
| 17:45.00 | pinotree | spiko: in fact i said "no" ;-) |
| 17:45.16 | pinotree | silent|warrior: chm is the modern help format of M$ |
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| 17:45.26 | pinotree | of windowze |
| 17:45.35 | spiko | pinotree: well, did you mean to say, it's impossible, or just, kde doesnt support it :P? |
| 17:46.01 | silent|warrior | or may be i cant expalin clearly ?? |
| 17:46.03 | pinotree | spiko: all the things you said are basically the same ;) |
| 17:46.04 | silent|warrior | ^ dont |
| 17:46.11 | bl0w3r | anybody know the OpenKiosk ? admin for cybercafes |
| 17:46.44 | pinotree | silent|warrior: i don't understand your question |
| 17:46.56 | spiko | pinotree: you mean the background alignment options source code is written in assembler :P |
| 17:47.27 | pinotree | spiko: no, even worse: fortran :P |
| 17:47.36 | spiko | it's impossible, i see :) |
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| 17:48.53 | spiko | it's just that http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegMod/PIA07745_modest.jpg looks better on the bottom/top than in middle |
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| 17:51.12 | frb | is this card decent: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910G ? |
| 17:51.53 | frb | 915G that is |
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| 18:02.33 | silent|warrior | pinotree: i set default apps and file types for .chm file so whenever i double click any .chm file it opens with that apps |
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| 18:03.14 | silent|warrior | its a unknown file types for linux when and so the .dat file types i guess |
| 18:04.13 | silent|warrior | i also set default apps and file types for .dat file so whenever i double click any .dat file it opens with that apps |
| 18:04.58 | silent|warrior | but i think this does not works or conflict somewhere, i dont know why or how |
| 18:06.00 | silent|warrior | but if now i try to double click a .dat file it opens with that apps (xchm here) which i set for .chm file types |
| 18:06.14 | silent|warrior | pinotree: how this possible ?? |
| 18:07.27 | pinotree | are you sure that the file association have different apps, maye you did a small error and set them with the same app? |
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| 18:08.24 | pinotree | and moreover, linux uses the mime magic system before the extension system, so maybe they appear as chm and dat but they are equal? |
| 18:09.28 | silent|warrior | i set extension = .dat or .DAT / file types = MPEG File / opens with Xine,Mplayer etc. for .dat file types |
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| 18:09.55 | silent|warrior | and .chm or .CHM / CHM File / Xchm for /chm file types |
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| 18:10.25 | silent|warrior | this association is right i guess |
| 18:11.01 | pinotree | in kde? |
| 18:11.22 | silent|warrior | but the fact is that any one association works for those two, not two different for two |
| 18:11.25 | silent|warrior | yes |
| 18:11.49 | silent|warrior | kde 3.4.1 |
| 18:11.53 | pinotree | sorry, i don't get you |
| 18:12.13 | silent|warrior | anyone ?? |
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| 18:26.03 | fdlinux | hi there |
| 18:26.24 | fdlinux | i need a solution for this output log : http://rafb.net/paste/results/2ilO4d44.txt |
| 18:31.02 | termo | fdlinux: declare an encoding |
| 18:32.14 | fdlinux | how ? |
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| 18:39.41 | willwork4foo | any kdetv experts out there tonight? |
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| 18:41.19 | fjkadfooo | Hi, is there an ETA on KDE 3.4.3 to testing? |
| 18:41.23 | fjkadfooo | of debian |
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| 18:44.25 | GraveDigger | hi there |
| 18:44.40 | GraveDigger | what is the kde daemon (kded) good for? what is this app doing? |
| 18:45.01 | GraveDigger | i just got a message saying that the kde daemon has crashed with signal 11 (segfaul) |
| 18:45.09 | GraveDigger | but kde seems to continue running |
| 18:47.31 | GraveDigger | i'm using kde35_beta2 btw |
| 18:48.34 | frb | GraveDigger: I got that too |
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| 18:48.52 | frb | kded died, then started again, ate 100% CPU, I killed it, it started again normally |
| 18:49.01 | frb | now it's working fine |
| 18:49.32 | frb | now, back to sound |
| 18:49.38 | GraveDigger | frb: when did you have a look at your ~/.xesseion-errors the last time? |
| 18:49.49 | frb | GraveDigger: it was filled with useless crap |
| 18:49.53 | GraveDigger | ack |
| 18:50.15 | GraveDigger | okay, this problem seems to be a major thing in kde35_beta2, its time to file a bugreport |
| 18:50.30 | GraveDigger | there are many people having this problem |
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| 18:53.39 | syke | after installing kde-3.4.3, kmix starts over and over and over and over.. |
| 18:53.41 | syke | anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 18:54.07 | GraveDigger | killall kmix |
| 18:54.32 | syke | GraveDigger: did that -- doesn't help |
| 18:54.42 | syke | it keeps launching them |
| 18:55.31 | GraveDigger | hmmm, that's ugly |
| 18:55.42 | syke | indeed |
| 18:55.52 | GraveDigger | have you looked at BKO if that problem is already known? |
| 18:56.03 | syke | BKO? |
| 18:56.29 | GraveDigger | bugs.kde.org |
| 18:57.04 | syke | ah :) |
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| 18:57.27 | syke | hmm |
| 18:57.31 | syke | I also updated my kernel.. |
| 18:57.44 | syke | maybe kde is mis-reading the volume buttons on my laptop? |
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| 18:58.23 | syke | if so, how do I disable that? |
| 18:58.53 | PhilRod | syke: create a new user, start kde with that user, and see if the problem still happens |
| 18:59.04 | syke | PhilRod: ok |
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| 18:59.18 | PhilRod | then tell us :-) |
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| 19:02.18 | _rr_ | someone know how to setup text-to-speach manager? |
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| 19:04.59 | PhilRod | _rr_: you need to install and set up festival or some other text-to-speech engine |
| 19:05.09 | PhilRod | then you can set up kttsd |
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| 19:07.42 | _rr_ | when I press on test it doesn't do anything |
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| 19:08.26 | PhilRod | did you set up festival correctly? |
| 19:09.04 | _rr_ | I just downloaded kttsd that was it, then I went through the talker steps, should I download a voice? |
| 19:09.33 | _rr_ | the "select voice" area is greyed out |
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| 19:12.20 | Redb3ard | guys, if i have to access this thing by right-clicking on its systray icon... is there some other way kde would let me access it? |
| 19:12.29 | Redb3ard | a default hotkey or something? |
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| 19:13.34 | Nick_Hill | One of the biggest bugs on the GNU/Linux desktop which I think will bother possible windows converts is that If you open folders (through what experts will know as KIOslaves or GnomeVFS), many applications will not be able to read the contents of the folders. A user will not want to have to learn x is KDE, Y is KDE but without KIOslave support Z is not KDE. The same goes for Gnome. We need a unifed method so that all virtual file ssytems are accessible, rega |
| 19:13.34 | Nick_Hill | rdless of what stable the target application comes from |
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| 19:14.04 | Redb3ard | opening folders? |
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| 19:14.20 | Nick_Hill | Redb3ard, If you open a folder on a remote machine, eg through fish |
| 19:14.26 | No_name | in kde-3.5 konqueror gives error when chaging file permission or owner |
| 19:14.26 | Redb3ard | i dont use graphical file managers, even windows' own is crippled |
| 19:14.30 | PhilRod | Nick_Hill: kio_fuse helps on linux |
| 19:15.13 | Nick_Hill | Nick_Hill, I tried to get the kernel module for kioslaves working, but failed, and have not seen it integrated in apps. We also need integration with Gnome VFS |
| 19:15.41 | SuperLag | How do you configure a startup item in KDE? |
| 19:15.42 | Nick_Hill | s/ Nick_Hill / PhilRod / |
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| 19:16.04 | Nick_Hill | s/apps/distros/ |
| 19:16.43 | PhilRod | No_name: confirmed here, but the permissions do actually get changed. Please file a bug report (if it doesn't exist already) |
| 19:16.51 | PhilRod | ~autostart |
| 19:16.53 | apt | [autostart] http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html question 10.10 |
| 19:16.55 | PhilRod | SuperLag: ^^^^ |
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| 19:17.17 | PhilRod | Nick_Hill: get coding :-) |
| 19:17.30 | No_name | PhilRod: it changed if only one files is selected, try select 2 or more files and u will see that only the first file permissions is changed and continues appearing an error window |
| 19:18.15 | fatih | ı cannot play mpg files |
| 19:18.24 | fatih | help wanted |
| 19:18.51 | SuperLag | PhilRod: thanks man |
| 19:19.00 | Nick_Hill | PhilRod, I would like to be able to code such support in a useful time frame, but I think the best thicg I can do today is to file abug. However, I am not sure how to file a bug for an integration issue like this. |
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| 19:19.44 | _root_ | hello |
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| 19:20.59 | PhilRod | No_name: confirmed - not all files are changed, although I still only get one error message |
| 19:21.39 | PhilRod | Nick_Hill: your best chance to make something happen is, basically, to do it yourself. Let me elaborate: |
| 19:21.42 | No_name | PhilRod: one error and only one file permissions are changed of the severall selected |
| 19:21.48 | PhilRod | No_name: yes |
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| 19:24.01 | PhilRod | Nick_Hill: in KDE, the rule has always been "he who writes the code makes the choice", so what I'd suggest you do is to look into both gnome vfs and kioslaves, and try to work out a way that they can interoperate. Produce some prototype code and post it to kde-devel@kde.org. Get comments, and potentially other people to help. Refine |
| 19:25.08 | bushwakko | Hey, I don't think windows should snap to the borders of superkaramba widgets |
| 19:27.31 | PhilRod | Nick_Hill: and make sure you've done your research. I would imagine that others have looked for ways to tackle this problem |
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| 19:28.12 | Nick_Hill | PhilRod, I intuit this would require some fancy coding knowledge. I would have to climb everest but for others may be like climbing the stairs. |
| 19:30.22 | PhilRod | I think that's overstating the case somewhat |
| 19:30.48 | Nick_Hill | Perhaps, but is a convenient and accessible metaphor. |
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| 19:32.05 | dobey | Nick_Hill: you shouuld probably also discuss things with the "desktop vfs" people |
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| 19:32.33 | Nick_Hill | dobey, Where do they hang out? |
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| 19:33.08 | dobey | Nick_Hill: i don't know. check the page for it on freedesktop.org |
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| 19:38.45 | SAngeli | Hi, anyone knows how to substitute the K button image with a custom one? I use kde 3.4.2 |
| 19:39.51 | PhilRod | SAngeli: FAQ |
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| 19:46.35 | jcurry | is there any way to get kmail not to add the BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE bit when i sign a message? |
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| 19:48.57 | PhilRod | jcurry: set up gpgme |
| 19:49.06 | PhilRod | or whatever the other gpg method is called |
| 19:49.56 | jcurry | PhilRod, I'll try that, thanks |
| 19:50.48 | Tm_T | hi &co |
| 19:51.21 | jcurry | PhilRod, hmm, I have it installed, is kmail supposed to detect it, or does it appear somewhere else? |
| 19:51.25 | PhilRod | hi Tm_T |
| 19:51.50 | PhilRod | should be detected, but perhaps you can find some distro-specific docs about it |
| 19:51.57 | PhilRod | in fact, check the kmail handbook first |
| 19:52.01 | jcurry | PhilRod, kmail lists smime and openpgp unde gpgme |
| 19:52.08 | jcurry | under* |
| 19:52.15 | jcurry | so it is detected. |
| 19:52.31 | jcurry | checks* |
| 19:52.32 | PhilRod | look for a setting to tell it to use that method (identities tab perhaps) |
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| 19:56.59 | jcurry | PhilRod, the identities page has an option of the preffered method: openpgp/mime, s/mime, and s/mime opaque...which one should I pick? it is currently at 'any' |
| 19:57.11 | jcurry | PhilRod, the handbook is outdated |
| 19:57.21 | SAngeli | PhilRod: sorry I stepped out. What you you mean FAQ. Could you please point me to it? |
| 19:57.53 | PhilRod | jcurry: try 'em and see :-) and submit a patch for the handbook |
| 19:57.55 | PhilRod | SAngeli: see topic |
| 19:58.06 | jcurry | PhilRod, ok, thanks! |
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| 19:59.33 | SAngeli | PhilRod: I now got it. Thanks |
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| 20:01.32 | NightShadow | hey |
| 20:01.52 | PhilRod | hi NightShadow |
| 20:02.24 | NightShadow | The OSD appears at startups and refuses to go away. Also, the volume level of the Master channel can't be changed, if it is, it will slowly go back down to 0. Its as if the vol down key is being held down |
| 20:02.58 | frb-away | /home/frb/.xsession-errors lines 57183670-57183691/57183691 (END) |
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| 20:04.10 | PhilRod | NightShadow: at startup of what? KDE, or some sound app? |
| 20:04.13 | SuperLag | uh oh |
| 20:04.19 | SuperLag | there went the neighborhood >:) |
| 20:04.32 | NightShadow | KDE |
| 20:05.04 | PhilRod | where are you trying to change the volume? kmix? |
| 20:05.54 | NightShadow | Kmix |
| 20:06.00 | NightShadow | if I change it with amixer it doesnt make a difference |
| 20:06.06 | NightShadow | the volume is auto lowered back to 0 |
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| 20:09.03 | PhilRod | what if you close kmix? |
| 20:09.04 | frb | I'm glad kde doesn't follow the windows convention of adding every little program to your desktop |
| 20:09.12 | NightShadow | phil, same problem |
| 20:09.30 | NightShadow | phil, thats why I think there is a false vol down hotkey set |
| 20:09.38 | NightShadow | which the computer thinks is always down |
| 20:10.00 | PhilRod | in kmix, go to settings->configure global shortcuts |
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| 20:10.47 | PhilRod | or look in control center -> regional & a11y -> keyboard shortcuts |
| 20:11.09 | PhilRod | s/or/and/ |
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| 20:16.22 | NightShadow | none |
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| 20:17.30 | ziom | hi |
| 20:18.05 | ziom | how do I decrease quality of the windows? this was when i first run kde... |
| 20:18.27 | jcurry | what do you mean, ziom? |
| 20:18.34 | annma | kpersonalizer |
| 20:18.39 | annma | run that in konsole |
| 20:18.46 | ziom | ok |
| 20:18.51 | annma | or alt+F2 and kpersoalizer |
| 20:18.55 | jcurry | (annma, why konsole?) |
| 20:19.02 | jcurry | nevermind |
| 20:19.09 | annma | because I love Konsole? |
| 20:19.16 | annma | because it is not in K menu? |
| 20:19.23 | annma | because it's easy that way? |
| 20:19.28 | ziom | my problem was that when i had running xmms and moved windows arrond the xorg eated to much power... |
| 20:19.40 | ziom | so the xmms lagged |
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| 20:19.54 | annma | ziom: use juK from KDE |
| 20:20.14 | PhilRod | ziom: do you have composite enabled? |
| 20:20.48 | ziom | PhilRod: I dont know? |
| 20:21.00 | PhilRod | run "xdpyinfo | grep -i composite" |
| 20:21.44 | ziom | i dont have xdpyinfo |
| 20:21.50 | ziom | i have xorg... |
| 20:22.12 | NightShadow | I might just go back to GNOME |
| 20:22.17 | NightShadow | didn have this problem with it |
| 20:23.08 | PhilRod | NightShadow: I've never heard of any similar problem. Perhaps it's distro-specific - you could ask in #yourdistro |
| 20:23.08 | annma | yes, do that, NightShadow |
| 20:23.15 | NightShadow | ie tried Phil |
| 20:23.17 | NightShadow | ive* |
| 20:23.17 | PhilRod | or ask on kde@mail.kde.org |
| 20:23.19 | NightShadow | its gentoo |
| 20:23.28 | ziom | but gnome has no control center... |
| 20:23.37 | ziom | it makes lot of things easier... |
| 20:23.39 | annma | did you use monolithic ebuilds |
| 20:23.40 | PhilRod | did you install the full kdebase package? |
| 20:24.01 | ziom | sure |
| 20:24.04 | NightShadow | anma I type in emerge kde, that emerged all the requirements |
| 20:24.05 | PhilRod | not doing that is a free ticket to breaking KDE in exciting and unusual ways |
| 20:24.06 | dobey | gnome has a control center |
| 20:24.25 | ziom | as good as kde's? |
| 20:24.35 | NightShadow | portage automatically installs all of the required packages |
| 20:24.46 | dobey | that is a very subjective question |
| 20:24.51 | PhilRod | the control center is hardly the pinnacle of quality in KDE |
| 20:24.55 | dobey | and i am biased |
| 20:24.58 | dobey | indeed |
| 20:24.59 | NightShadow | honestly, I would love to have KDE |
| 20:25.04 | NightShadow | but it doesn seem to like me |
| 20:25.33 | ziom | dobey have u same functions as in kdecs cc? |
| 20:25.50 | dobey | ziom: if you're going to ask someone if X is better than Y though, don't ask someone who is one of the maintainers of X :) |
| 20:26.04 | dobey | ziom: mostly |
| 20:26.14 | annma | NightShadow: is there a mixer in KMix? |
| 20:26.21 | NightShadow | yes |
| 20:26.24 | NightShadow | all 3 |
| 20:26.29 | NightShadow | well, the 3 I selected |
| 20:26.36 | annma | so what is the problem? yu have no sound? |
| 20:26.39 | NightShadow | and only the Master one wont change |
| 20:26.42 | ziom | i mean can u install a printer with gnome cc, add users... etc? |
| 20:26.43 | NightShadow | anma, and the OSD stays |
| 20:26.46 | NightShadow | it overlaps everything |
| 20:26.50 | NightShadow | I could live with no sound |
| 20:26.57 | dobey | ziom: sure |
| 20:26.58 | PhilRod | wait a minute, what OSD is this? |
| 20:27.03 | NightShadow | the OSD stays on the screen showing Volume 0% |
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| 20:27.11 | ziom | dobey i m off to gnome:P |
| 20:27.14 | dobey | ziom: but the control center in gnome is quite different than the one in kde in terms of ui |
| 20:27.28 | PhilRod | dobey: which control center do you maintain? |
| 20:27.34 | annma | dobey: we are working on a new kcontrol, don't worry |
| 20:27.38 | ziom | I used gnome for a time |
| 20:27.47 | PhilRod | NightShadow: any idea what app is showing that OSD? |
| 20:27.55 | NightShadow | I believe its the built in OSD |
| 20:28.05 | dobey | PhilRod: gnome |
| 20:28.09 | NightShadow | this same version of osd didnt show up on Gnome |
| 20:28.11 | NightShadow | but Gnome did have one |
| 20:28.12 | ziom | and if the xorg does not fill 30-40% of processors power by moving windows heavily arround |
| 20:28.19 | ziom | it will be fine with me |
| 20:28.23 | leonid | torrent |
| 20:28.28 | PhilRod | hrm, kde doesn't have a built in OSD, does it? |
| 20:28.55 | straw | PhilRod: hm kaffeine? |
| 20:29.35 | annma | dobey: what config system will you use for nxt gnome? |
| 20:30.02 | dobey | annma: you mean like gconf, etc...? |
| 20:30.13 | annma | electra or such |
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| 20:30.27 | dobey | annma: there are no plans to switch away from gconf that i know of |
| 20:30.30 | PhilRod | dobey: so what brings you to #kde? Checking out the competition? |
| 20:30.34 | annma | ah, lame |
| 20:30.49 | NightShadow | any ideas phil? |
| 20:30.51 | annma | dobey: what about your sound system? |
| 20:31.03 | annma | I heard it sucks as much as arts |
| 20:31.09 | dobey | PhilRod: figured i might as well hang here, for Tango |
| 20:31.19 | dobey | annma: all sound servers suck :) |
| 20:31.24 | NightShadow | heh |
| 20:31.25 | annma | Tango? is gnome going to adopt Tango? |
| 20:31.25 | epinephrine | this looks like a gnome fanatic/kde fanatic argument |
| 20:31.32 | PhilRod | NightShadow: my best guess is that there's some app running, which is displaying that OSD and messing with your volume. Not sure what though. Anything interesting in your systray or the output of "ps"? |
| 20:31.34 | dobey | annma: yes |
| 20:31.37 | annma | epinephrine: no, checking the copetition |
| 20:31.41 | PhilRod | dobey: the developers live in #kde-devel, mainly |
| 20:31.50 | skypa | excuse me, I guess this question did already come up, but is there any word on the streets on kde 3.5 b2 packages for debian? |
| 20:31.51 | annma | dobey: and what the link with kde? |
| 20:32.07 | annma | skypa: ask in #debian-kde |
| 20:32.12 | fidel_ | hehe |
| 20:32.29 | skypa | bad fidel_ |
| 20:32.29 | fidel_ | next hint skypa ;) |
| 20:32.30 | skypa | :p |
| 20:32.33 | PhilRod | or rather, they mainly live on the mailing lists, but #kde-devel is *supposed* to have KDE developers in it |
| 20:32.36 | dobey | annma: would be nice to continue improving the support for kde in tango |
| 20:32.37 | annma | what is tango, in a few words? |
| 20:32.42 | PhilRod | skypa: scheduled for 2021, I think |
| 20:32.42 | skypa | yeah, ill channel hop until im satisfied :p |
| 20:32.50 | annma | the support for kde? |
| 20:33.10 | dobey | annma: an effort to improve consistency for themes and such across desktops |
| 20:33.18 | annma | oh, yes |
| 20:33.22 | annma | straw |
| 20:33.24 | annma | no? |
| 20:33.40 | dobey | yes, straw has given me several patches to help the icon theme work better on current kde |
| 20:33.40 | straw | hi annma :) |
| 20:33.43 | annma | is it a FreeDesktop project? |
| 20:34.01 | dobey | it is on fd.o, yes |
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| 20:34.48 | annma | not sure we're goig to get into tango, not heard anything about it |
| 20:34.57 | annma | did you speak to artists? |
| 20:35.10 | annma | we have an artist mailing list |
| 20:35.17 | straw | annma: there's a thread on one of the kde lists |
| 20:35.22 | annma | and #kde-artists I think |
| 20:35.27 | annma | what kde list? |
| 20:35.31 | annma | I did not see it |
| 20:35.35 | straw | damn, i can't recall |
| 20:36.02 | annma | weird, not on one of the main ones then |
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| 20:36.12 | straw | and the thread starter just left #tango :/ |
| 20:36.13 | dobey | appeal |
| 20:36.19 | annma | ah |
| 20:36.21 | annma | bah |
| 20:36.29 | ziom | yeah gnome ru13z:) |
| 20:36.47 | annma | ziom: no trolling, thanks |
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| 20:37.05 | annma | dobey: is appeal list active? |
| 20:37.29 | dobey | afaict, yeah |
| 20:37.35 | dobey | i'm not on it though |
| 20:37.36 | annma | maybe appeal is the way to go, yes |
| 20:37.46 | annma | was the answer positive? |
| 20:38.00 | ziom | dobey: how do i trun transpareny in gnome on? transparent panel, menus, console? |
| 20:38.14 | dobey | ziom: i don't know |
| 20:38.15 | g3no | ziom: this is #kde |
| 20:38.20 | straw | i had the impression it was, annma |
| 20:38.20 | annma | ziom: ask in #gnome please |
| 20:38.23 | g3no | not #gnome |
| 20:38.30 | g3no | gnome totally sucks anyways |
| 20:38.37 | annma | ziom: be nice and intelligent, OK? |
| 20:38.38 | ziom | lol |
| 20:38.44 | ziom | g3no: no trolling please |
| 20:38.46 | annma | g3no: no flame, thanks |
| 20:38.48 | ziom | ^^ |
| 20:38.57 | annma | we don't need silliness |
| 20:39.00 | skypa | while we're there.. does transparency (meaning composite/renderaccel/glx) give you terrible artifacts while starting up kde? |
| 20:39.02 | g3no | it does tho |
| 20:39.33 | annma | straw: in fact, appeal is probably a better list choice than kde-artists |
| 20:39.38 | annma | you did well |
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| 20:39.53 | jcurry | annma, about tango and kde: http://tom.acrewoods.net/node/379 ( ablog post by KDE dev tom chnace aka telex) |
| 20:39.58 | straw | oh, it wasn't me that started the thread |
| 20:40.02 | skypa | a lot harder to brag with my pimped up kde desktop in front of my friends with colourd blocky-things taking up half of the screen :> |
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| 20:40.18 | annma | blogs are buzz |
| 20:40.30 | straw | though i did bug about someone approaching kde folks ;) |
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| 20:40.56 | oGALAXYo | any of you ppl using samba accesing linux from windows ? |
| 20:41.08 | jcurry | annma, is buzz good or bad? :) |
| 20:41.12 | jorgp_laptop | annma: you where right about playground |
| 20:41.30 | annma | jcurry: it's bad because you cannot discern what is going to be done |
| 20:41.42 | annma | one can buzz OK on a blog |
| 20:41.50 | annma | and then absolutely do nothing |
| 20:42.01 | annma | serious stuff is not on blogs |
| 20:42.13 | annma | and I think straw wats serious |
| 20:42.18 | annma | wants |
| 20:42.33 | annma | blogging might help awareness |
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| 20:42.59 | scx | Guys: how do I make a "feature request" |
| 20:43.00 | jcurry | annma, i disagree, i read eric anholt's (xorg dev) blog, and he details what he has *done*, and it is very useful and interesting |
| 20:43.18 | jcurry | scx, file a bug of type 'wishlist' |
| 20:43.19 | annma | well yes but it's not buzz then |
| 20:43.38 | annma | I call buzz vague ideas about this or that |
| 20:43.48 | annma | or vague suggestions |
| 20:43.54 | jcurry | annma, but i agree, some blogs are useless....i don't read those :)...but you cannot say all blogs are useless, just because some are |
| 20:44.06 | annma | I did not say all blogs are useless |
| 20:44.19 | annma | as I write one |
| 20:45.09 | scx | jcurry: type wishlist? you don't mean that's a command right ? |
| 20:45.15 | jcurry | annma, i know :) |
| 20:45.46 | jcurry | scx, no, it's a wishlist bug, a bug of type wishlist...just how i worded it |
| 20:46.29 | scx | mmm... ok |
| 20:46.40 | jcurry | annma, but you said: "<annma> blogs are buzz" when you should have said "blogs can be buzz" |
| 20:46.53 | ewj | are the effects shown by zack rusin at akademy (wobbling windows, rotating cube) available somewhere? |
| 20:47.05 | annma | ewj: no |
| 20:47.12 | annma | not that I know of |
| 20:47.23 | straw | ahah |
| 20:47.23 | annma | jcurry: yes, I nominated you my official corrector! |
| 20:47.27 | straw | annma: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/appeal/2005-October/000263.html |
| 20:47.49 | annma | jcurry: I am not english</lame excuse> |
| 20:47.54 | jcurry | annma, i forgot to remind you to tell me of my role :) |
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| 20:48.35 | PhilRod | jcurry: you need to correct her on not telling you of your role :-) |
| 20:49.01 | sredna | Why does people want everything to look the same when it's not? |
| 20:49.31 | annma | hi sredna |
| 20:49.36 | sredna | Hi annma :) |
| 20:49.40 | annma | you son't look like me |
| 20:49.43 | straw | sredna: what do you mean? |
| 20:50.05 | sredna | Lol |
| 20:50.09 | jcurry | PhilRod, right, i was just not sure how to phrase that, and i dod not want to get it wrong and have to have her correct me. :) |
| 20:50.22 | jcurry | did* |
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| 20:50.29 | PhilRod | hehe |
| 20:50.43 | sredna | 'it everybody were like me it wouldn't be bad', quote: Charles shultz |
| 20:51.40 | sredna | straw: I mean that projects that tries to make kde and gnome look the same is silly |
| 20:51.56 | sredna | straw: Because they are in fact not the same |
| 20:52.06 | straw | sredna: you've missed the point of tango entirely |
| 20:52.19 | sredna | I have no idea about what it is |
| 20:52.24 | annma | straw: reading the thread |
| 20:52.48 | straw | sredna: it's about an icon naming spec |
| 20:53.02 | jorgp_laptop | annma: nothing in playground but edu compiles for me |
| 20:53.06 | sredna | straw: And what is the point? |
| 20:53.13 | annma | jorgp_laptop: unsermake? |
| 20:53.18 | jorgp_laptop | yes |
| 20:53.21 | sredna | straw: If not to use the same icons == try to look the same? |
| 20:53.25 | straw | sredna: the tango icon them itself is a fall back |
| 20:53.28 | annma | jorgp_laptop: :( |
| 20:53.41 | jorgp_laptop | no,wait, it told it not to use unsermake for anything playground |
| 20:53.49 | annma | the naming scheme must be common |
| 20:54.05 | annma | jorgp_laptop: playground/network and ultimedia compiled for me |
| 20:54.15 | annma | automake though |
| 20:54.23 | straw | sredna: if a particular icon isn't covered by a theme, then the fallback is displayed |
| 20:54.45 | sredna | straw: That is how kde worked for ages afaik |
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| 20:55.25 | sredna | Hm, I have an error compiling k3b from head |
| 20:55.35 | straw | sredna: kind of... |
| 20:55.57 | PhilRod | sredna: someone reported a problem with kdoublenuminput.h earlier today. Is that it? |
| 20:56.13 | annma | if crystal icon is not found we fall back to hicolor, straw |
| 20:56.31 | straw | that's out-of-spec |
| 20:56.37 | sredna | PhilRod: Moment, I'll see when the error occurs again. Unsermake might not select files in the same order each time |
| 20:56.55 | annma | straw: how? |
| 20:56.56 | straw | hicolor ought to be for applications |
| 20:57.24 | sredna | PhilRod: But no, it's related to k3bdevice and a class named stl findaudiotrack |
| 20:57.30 | annma | what ocons are you talking about, straw ? |
| 20:57.55 | fatih | Phil Rod can you help me about 9.3 suse no cd found problem? |
| 20:58.04 | straw | for instance, i've got kaffiene from sf.net |
| 20:58.27 | straw | it's icons installed to hicolor, since it's an app |
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| 20:59.00 | dobey | the app icons should be installed to hicolor, not other icons which the app might use for menuitems/buttons/etc... |
| 20:59.22 | dobey | this is currently a total mess |
| 20:59.35 | PhilRod | fatih: ask in #suse |
| 20:59.45 | straw | but, if back.png is somehow missing from crystalsvg, it shouldn't fall back to hicolor |
| 20:59.59 | fatih | thanks |
| 21:00.10 | jorgp_laptop | annma: let me try it |
| 21:00.15 | annma | straw: what should it fall on then? |
| 21:00.46 | straw | annma: eventually, tango or oxygen i guess |
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| 21:01.00 | annma | I speak about now |
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| 21:01.07 | straw | annma: all this is till needing input |
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| 21:01.14 | straw | is still, even |
| 21:01.35 | sredna | Man, ksirc changed shortcut for closing a channel :( |
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| 21:03.11 | sredna | Now the shortcut kills the window :\ |
| 21:04.07 | straw | annma: i suppose you could make any theme you wanted become the fall-back, providing it's followed the naming spec |
| 21:04.30 | annma | yes |
| 21:04.36 | annma | is oxygen progressing? |
| 21:04.58 | straw | i don't know where to lay hands on oxygen atm |
| 21:05.15 | annma | it's not public |
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| 21:05.24 | straw | no tarballs or svn access yet |
| 21:05.29 | annma | no |
| 21:05.36 | annma | I thougt aybe you knew more |
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| 21:06.23 | straw | i'd guess the authors have heard the buzz about a naming spec by now |
| 21:06.26 | spiral | 'bye |
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| 21:13.07 | SbCl3 | anyone here use kbear? |
| 21:13.13 | SbCl3 | i can't figure out how to set retries |
| 21:13.25 | Redb3ard | guys, if i run "kicker" from within windowmaker, i get the KDE taskbar/start button.... but there are no buttons on the taskbar for all my open apps, does anyone have any idea what from within windowmaker is intercepting the "these X apps are open" signal? |
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| 21:14.14 | PhilRod | do it the other way round: run KDE, but with $YOUR_FAVOURITE_WM as the window manager |
| 21:14.26 | PhilRod | (you can do this by setting the KDEWM environment variable |
| 21:14.28 | PhilRod | ) |
| 21:14.37 | annma | SbCl3: I use konqueror itself for ftp |
| 21:14.53 | straw | and check wmaker's config options for kde compatibility |
| 21:15.11 | Redb3ard | philrod, was that for me? |
| 21:15.19 | SbCl3 | i could never get konq to work in active mode |
| 21:15.32 | Redb3ard | windowmaker.org claims its compatible, but says nothing on how thats achieved |
| 21:16.02 | PhilRod | Redb3ard: yup |
| 21:16.11 | Redb3ard | my end goal, is to get kxdocker seeing which apps are open, and its related to it not running in the KDE environment |
| 21:17.04 | Redb3ard | the reason i used kicker, is because it has the same symptons, not that i want it running... can it be disabled from within the startkde script? |
| 21:18.07 | PhilRod | yes, I expect so |
| 21:18.35 | straw | that's covered in the wiki, iirc |
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| 21:20.52 | SbCl3 | on konq's ftp, how do you put your username and password into the url? |
| 21:21.05 | dobey | ftp://user:password@host/ |
| 21:21.07 | dobey | i would hope |
| 21:21.24 | straw | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.29 | PhilRod | erm, is http://bugs.kde.org/ pointing to the konqueror page for anyone else? |
| 21:21.38 | straw | then let kwallet store the password |
| 21:21.58 | annma | PhilRod: the links are all messed |
| 21:23.57 | PhilRod | annma: just b.k.o or other kde website? |
| 21:24.00 | PhilRod | websites* |
| 21:24.09 | annma | develop.kde.org as well |
| 21:24.30 | annma | cullman is doing things but somehow he keeps breaking them more and more |
| 21:24.37 | annma | developer |
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| 21:26.23 | annma | gotta go, bbl |
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| 21:34.56 | charolastra | hi again |
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| 21:36.43 | anam | Hi all |
| 21:37.21 | anam | Wow, alot of peeps here |
| 21:37.32 | charolastra | anyone using klogic? i'm using it to reconstruct some logic circuits from my university assignement and it looks like it has an epyleptic fit when i do d-flops |
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| 21:38.42 | anam | Sorry, it's the first time I've used this |
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| 21:39.16 | charolastra | well, welcome then :) |
| 21:39.31 | anam | Thanks |
| 21:40.45 | Redb3ard | heh, kde with wmaker as the window manager doesnt look much different than with kwin |
| 21:41.28 | anam | I'm actually running Gnome but with the suse distro this software seems to show up on most window managers |
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| 21:48.56 | Redb3ard | ergh |
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| 22:00.04 | Inglorion | how can i make my system not try to automatically mount cds i insert? |
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| 22:06.03 | Blissex | Inglorion: that really really depends on your distribution. |
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| 22:06.30 | Inglorion | Blissex: I'm using Kubuntu (Breezy) |
| 22:07.07 | Blissex | Inglorion: then ask in #Kubuntu or #Ubuntu. But IIRC it is a setting somewhere in the control centre. |
| 22:07.44 | Inglorion | Blissex: ok, thanks a lot |
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| 22:10.55 | peeta | Hi, please what should I do if I want some script to be executed everytime I start KDE? |
| 22:11.42 | StevenR | peeta: put a link to it, or the actual script in ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 22:11.45 | canllaith | peeta: put it in ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 22:12.00 | canllaith | a symlink, a script calling or, or a .desktop file (like a desktop shortcut) |
| 22:12.01 | peeta | Thank you very much! Good night to you! |
| 22:12.21 | StevenR | YO canllaith |
| 22:12.36 | canllaith | Heya StevenR :) |
| 22:12.55 | StevenR | canllaith: hows things? been upto anything exciting? |
| 22:13.19 | canllaith | Not really :) I managed to break my laptop installing an experimental version of suse :| |
| 22:13.46 | StevenR | canllaith: break as in permanently? |
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| 22:14.07 | StevenR | canllaith: or break as in broken-until-i-reinstall-slackware ? |
| 22:14.20 | canllaith | Break as in broken-until-i-reinstall-suse-9.3 |
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| 22:14.24 | canllaith | I'm still using slackware on the desktops |
| 22:14.25 | StevenR | ahhh |
| 22:14.28 | StevenR | cool |
| 22:14.29 | incorrect | are there any alternatives to kmail? |
| 22:14.31 | canllaith | but I have some compelling reasons to use suse on here :) |
| 22:14.44 | canllaith | incorrect: not in KDE, but of course you can run evolution or mozilla mail under KDE if you wish |
| 22:14.53 | canllaith | I'm using mozilla suite in order to have consistancy on win/mac/linux |
| 22:14.55 | StevenR | well i spent a pile of the uni's money :) hopefully the components will arrive tomorrow |
| 22:14.56 | incorrect | i wanted something qt based |
| 22:15.00 | Redb3ard | is there a way to switch from kde to another window manager, without stopping and restarting X? |
| 22:15.26 | canllaith | Redb3ard: Well... you can run two X sessions at once |
| 22:15.31 | incorrect | Redb3ard, kill your wm and restart another? |
| 22:15.40 | canllaith | Use Xnest... umm |
| 22:15.46 | incorrect | kill -9 xxxx && wmaker :) |
| 22:15.47 | incorrect | lol |
| 22:15.56 | StevenR | canllaith: if my toroid arrives, i get to spend an hour or so winding a custom inductor :(...only 8turns x 5 wires in parallel |
| 22:17.29 | StevenR | canllaith: i've been playing with debian-sparc :) |
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| 22:20.21 | incorrect | can kmail filter an imap server yet? |
| 22:20.54 | StevenR | incorrect: i think so, can't remember what version you need though.,...possibly it's a "wait until 3.5" thing |
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| 22:21.25 | incorrect | i've just got fed up with gnome |
| 22:21.31 | incorrect | kde just seems to be lacking apps |
| 22:21.44 | strike4ce | I have a question |
| 22:21.49 | incorrect | i hate mixing qt and gtk |
| 22:22.03 | incorrect | so ugly |
| 22:22.12 | canllaith | incorrect: It has many many apps. What is kmail not doing that you need? |
| 22:22.23 | canllaith | incorrect: and you can always try the gtk-qt engine, which makes gtk apps look like qt ones |
| 22:22.29 | incorrect | canllaith, well kontact crashed on me |
| 22:22.38 | strike4ce | I use firefox mainly and when I get a link it always opens in Konqueror. Can I change that and make firefox as default? |
| 22:22.38 | canllaith | What version? |
| 22:22.48 | incorrect | i compiled up 3.4 |
| 22:22.59 | incorrect | i didn't try 3.5, i have gentoo |
| 22:23.05 | canllaith | strike4ce: Kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Component Chooser |
| 22:23.09 | incorrect | i didn't fancy unmasking .5 |
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| 22:23.40 | incorrect | can i compile firefox to have a qt interface? :) |
| 22:23.54 | canllaith | Yes but it's so broken as to be unusable right now |
| 22:24.02 | incorrect | oh |
| 22:24.12 | incorrect | pants |
| 22:24.15 | canllaith | Or at least was the last time I managed to get it to build :) |
| 22:24.36 | incorrect | also the desktop viewer, you can't pull apps around |
| 22:24.39 | strike4ce | canllaith: Thanx |
| 22:24.48 | canllaith | incorrect: you can in KDE 3.5 |
| 22:24.59 | incorrect | ah |
| 22:25.04 | incorrect | is 3.5 far off? |
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| 22:25.16 | canllaith | a month? perhaps less |
| 22:25.50 | incorrect | really? |
| 22:25.52 | GraveDigger | incorrect: one could also do much earlier than in kde35 |
| 22:26.02 | GraveDigger | kpager2 was available for kde3.3 already |
| 22:26.10 | incorrect | oh |
| 22:26.13 | GraveDigger | (which allowed window draggin) |
| 22:26.22 | incorrect | ill try finding it in gentoo |
| 22:26.30 | GraveDigger | but in kde35 it was finally merged into its sources |
| 22:26.48 | GraveDigger | portage tree does not contain this |
| 22:27.01 | GraveDigger | but there is a ebuild for it on kde-look.org |
| 22:27.09 | incorrect | i've been dragging apps around from the pager since 99 in E |
| 22:27.12 | GraveDigger | but beware: there are problems with kpager2 on kde34 |
| 22:27.26 | GraveDigger | so what? |
| 22:27.36 | canllaith | It's not hugely well written (kpager2) |
| 22:27.37 | incorrect | its a pain not being able to do it |
| 22:27.49 | incorrect | im just moaning |
| 22:27.52 | GraveDigger | canllaith: well, it works pretty good |
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| 22:28.24 | GraveDigger | incorrect: go and kiss your E's butt if you like... or code urself |
| 22:28.37 | sredna | Is kpager2 included in kde 3.5, GraveDigger ? |
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| 22:28.44 | GraveDigger | sredna: yeah |
| 22:28.48 | sredna | Cool! |
| 22:29.00 | incorrect | well kde has come on lots since 3.0 |
| 22:29.05 | sredna | So my pager in kicker is kpager2? |
| 22:29.10 | canllaith | sredna: no |
| 22:29.19 | incorrect | thank god keramic was ditched |
| 22:29.30 | canllaith | sredna: the features were implemented, but it's not exactly kpager2 |
| 22:29.58 | sredna | Ah, ok :) |
| 22:30.12 | StevenR | or keramik even |
| 22:30.17 | incorrect | gnome 2.10 seems a lot slower than kde 3.4 |
| 22:30.23 | sredna | I used lowcolor during that area :-) |
| 22:30.56 | canllaith | incorrect: KDE is in general somewhat faster yes. |
| 22:30.58 | benJIman | incorrect: gnome 2.12 absolutely crawls without render accelleartion |
| 22:31.06 | canllaith | kdeinit helps with that |
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| 22:31.23 | benJIman | canllaith: new cario repaints /really/ slowly without accelleration though |
| 22:31.29 | canllaith | benJIman: ew :( |
| 22:31.36 | Chambers` | hi guys, anyone happen to know why i can log in as root and have a resolution of 1280x1024 but when i log in as users i only get up to 1024x768? Thanks |
| 22:31.41 | incorrect | i must admit kde is a lot better than i remember |
| 22:31.47 | triNode | why on earth does konversation try and access my contacts / calendar ?!? |
| 22:32.11 | canllaith | Chambers`: wow, no clue - but as a user run krandrtray and see if it lets you change your resolution up higher |
| 22:32.20 | Chambers` | tried, doesn't |
| 22:32.20 | canllaith | It can restore settings on startup, so perhaps it's doing it |
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| 22:32.29 | canllaith | How strange. Perhaps X is misconfigured? |
| 22:32.31 | GraveDigger | triNode: its a feature, not a bug |
| 22:32.50 | triNode | GraveDigger: what's it access and why? |
| 22:32.56 | GraveDigger | triNode: konversation my store chat contacts with all your other contacts |
| 22:33.02 | Chambers` | looking through xorg.conf now but it all looks kosher |
| 22:33.03 | GraveDigger | triNode: just as kopete may |
| 22:33.28 | triNode | ah, ok, still don't like it :) |
| 22:33.44 | GraveDigger | you may then have a central storage for your contacts,merging information about everybody you know in a central deposite |
| 22:33.53 | GraveDigger | then dont use it |
| 22:33.56 | GraveDigger | its up to you |
| 22:33.57 | triNode | it's popping up errors (kontact and egroupware will *not* no matter what, work together) |
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| 22:34.08 | incorrect | xchat got gui based irc clients right, its good konversation copies it |
| 22:34.10 | triNode | GraveDigger: where's the option? |
| 22:34.38 | canllaith | omg I finally got NX working :O:O:O:O |
| 22:34.47 | incorrect | NX ? |
| 22:34.53 | GraveDigger | canllaith: what is that? |
| 22:35.06 | GraveDigger | triNode: i dont know.. i dont use konversation |
| 22:35.30 | canllaith | GraveDigger: like vnc but sucking far less |
| 22:35.33 | triNode | GraveDigger: do you mean it's optional, or it's not optional and i should use something other than konversation? |
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| 22:36.13 | GraveDigger | canllaith: okay... sounds interesting |
| 22:36.33 | triNode | it's fast is NX |
| 22:36.57 | GraveDigger | triNode: no, i mean i dont use konversation: i can tell you the theory, but not the practise... i dont know where certain options are, because i dont know konversation |
| 22:38.30 | GraveDigger | at least not that good - i tried out konversation, but quickly went back to my beloved irssi |
| 22:38.35 | GraveDigger | irssi rulez da world |
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| 22:38.44 | GraveDigger | its the greatest irc client known to me |
| 22:38.47 | incorrect | is the a mailbox monitor for the app bar? |
| 22:38.51 | palomer | what's that kde app to see the sizes of all my directories? |
| 22:38.51 | GraveDigger | but that's another topic |
| 22:39.04 | GraveDigger | palomer: kdirstat? |
| 22:39.23 | palomer | yeah, that's the one |
| 22:39.28 | palomer | it should be standard for everyone |
| 22:39.39 | palomer | in fact, the filesystem should keep track of the size of every directory |
| 22:39.41 | palomer | who's with me? |
| 22:39.51 | GraveDigger | hans reiser |
| 22:40.36 | GraveDigger | well, in fact a tiny plugin for reiser4 gives you exactly this behaviour... just ask the filesystem about whatever information you want |
| 22:40.49 | palomer | is it calculated on the fly? |
| 22:40.49 | GraveDigger | and dont let crappy tools waste time and cpu time to *find* such stuff out... |
| 22:40.56 | palomer | or is it recalculated every time you make a change? |
| 22:40.57 | GraveDigger | but that's another topic, too |
| 22:41.08 | benJIman | GraveDigger: that means you have to update the directory every time you write a file |
| 22:41.22 | benJIman | calculate the new size |
| 22:41.28 | palomer | it's a trivial operation, time wise |
| 22:41.32 | GraveDigger | 11 |
| 22:41.35 | GraveDigger | damn |
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| 22:41.39 | benJIman | not when you're doing several million write operations |
| 22:41.39 | GraveDigger | ^^ i meant |
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| 22:42.04 | IronM_RC12_HDD | hi |
| 22:42.12 | palomer | benJIman: wouldn't it be calculated when you close() the file? |
| 22:42.26 | GraveDigger | come on guys |
| 22:42.27 | benJIman | palomer: what if you're writing lots of small files |
| 22:42.33 | GraveDigger | reiser4 is not that far |
| 22:42.34 | benJIman | or moving them from one place to another |
| 22:42.43 | GraveDigger | and i suspect that no such plugin currently exists |
| 22:43.15 | GraveDigger | so please stop useless discussions: IF such a plugin would be written, it may work however the coder wants it to work |
| 22:43.16 | IronM_RC12_HDD | is it possible to customize the kde desktop menu? |
| 22:43.26 | triNode | anyone use egroupware with kontact? |
| 22:44.30 | palomer | benJIman: adding or subtracting from the directory size is a small cost compared to everything else you need to do |
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| 22:48.18 | Technel | Hello, I am running Debian. I did "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and reconfigured the x-window-server so that the higher resolutions were supported. However, within KDE it only lets me select up to 800x600! Any ideas? |
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| 22:59.48 | Dhraakellian | What does "MNG error 1029: Chunk out of sequence; chunk TERM; subcode 0:0" mean? |
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| 23:00.18 | syke | PhilRod: creating a new user and logging in doesn't have this problem. (with kmix constantly starting) |
| 23:01.02 | Dhraakellian | wow |
| 23:01.05 | Dhraakellian | this is slow |
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| 23:10.19 | Dhraakellian | eep! |
| 23:10.26 | Dhraakellian | -rw------- 1 ntryon users 42G 2005-10-19 19:09 .xsession-errors |
| 23:11.28 | straw | heh |
| 23:14.47 | Dhraakellian | ls -la isn't seeing it |
| 23:14.53 | Dhraakellian | but df still reports that /home is full |
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| 23:15.18 | Dhraakellian | on the other hand, kded has quieted down and is no longer taking up 50-60%CPU |
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| 23:18.00 | qquestion | hey all |
| 23:18.23 | qquestion | I just installed KDE on Slackware 10.1 but Plastik isn't showing in the styles |
| 23:18.34 | qquestion | nor is Lipstik, once it's installed |
| 23:20.01 | qquestion | can anybody point me in the right direction? I've been looking around in /opt/kde but I can't see any particular reason why the default styles show but the ones from kdeartwork don't |
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| 23:23.56 | IronM_RC12_HDD | is it possible to customize the kde desktop menu? |
| 23:24.31 | IronM_RC12_HDD | to create an new devices ... |
| 23:24.45 | IronM_RC12_HDD | ops .. a new device |
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| 23:32.30 | qquestion | IronM_RC12_HDD: have you tried kmenuedit |
| 23:32.31 | Dhraakellian | okay, killing kded not only makes the CPU monitor quiet down, but it also seems to have made .xsession-errors stop growing uncontrollably |
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| 23:35.49 | qquestion | boom, headshot! |
| 23:35.59 | qquestion | whoops, wrong context |
| 23:36.00 | qquestion | :-P |
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| 23:44.07 | fatejudger | is there a way to have KDE run a file in the Autostart folder as a script instead of opening it in Kate? |
| 23:44.54 | _pcman | can somebody help me how to define a combination of buttons to change the keyboard layout? |
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| 23:45.41 | _pcman | I´m using kde 3.4.0 |
| 23:47.18 | Dhraakellian | it should be in kde control center > regional & accessibility > keyboard layout |
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| 23:48.26 | _pcman | the only thing I can see there is which languages I can use, no combination of buttons to change the language |
| 23:52.35 | Blissex | _pcman: you select a language on the left and then press the 'Add' button on the right. |
| 23:52.55 | Blissex | _pcman: you have to click on 'Enable keyboard layouts' on the top left. |
| 23:53.19 | _pcman | I´ve done that, now how can I change the languages using alt+swift for example? |
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