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00:05.09welsonAlethes, svg allows rotation of text -> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/
00:06.01Aletheserrr how is that gonna help with kwin? :P
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00:07.03welsonAlethes, when svg starts becoming more of a norm, you're see this, also more pervasive would be voice xml -- anything with w3c is good, plus svg is still very much in the works-- but these things are coming out eventually..
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00:15.02alexwebwhy should I use setup sound card utility each time i restart kde?
00:15.15alexwebI'm tired to do that
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00:43.53benno2I tried to compile a qt app under FC3 and I get those errors (qt-3.3.4). any idea ? /usr/lib/qt-3.3/include/private/qucom_p.h:69: warning: ‘struct QUBuffer’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
00:54.56DirkGentlybenno2: that's probably not why it's failed
00:55.07benno2DirkGently: http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2005-10/msg00200.html
00:55.29benno2DirkGently: strange ... on FC2 no warnings, on FC4 lots of annoying warnings
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00:56.33strawit's different versions of gcc, benno2
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00:57.13benno2straw: I know but I'd like to make those warnings go away since it makes developing harder and just set gcc to ignore them is not a good idea
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00:57.56DirkGentlybenno2: is it failing to build?
00:57.57straware the warnings a result of your code, or qt's?
00:58.36benno2DirkGently: no it builds but you get tons of warnings in qt classes, see the qt list thread url I posted.  sad, nothing can be done about :(
00:59.05Oleg_who cares about warnings if things compile anyway?
00:59.33DirkGentlybuilding KDE you get thousands of warnings
01:00.22benno2Oleg_: i thought this too at time, but in some case warnings could cause harm and trigger bugs/race conditions/memory leaks etc
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01:23.01egolostis it possible to use kde without arts?
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01:23.35egolostand how do i know if arts are being used?
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01:25.13morteohegolost: yes, just go into Control Center -> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System, you can turn it off/on there
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01:31.24EruditeHermithi, my ksysguard applet for kicker suddenly stopped showing the monitors
01:31.33EruditeHermitdoes anyone know why, and how I can fix this?
01:31.50egolostwhat is the benefits of arts with kde?
01:32.43NanobotIn my case, crashes :P
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01:39.04arcanistheroguehey, i have a questin
01:39.14arcanistheroguecan i use KDE icons for a website?
01:39.27arcanistherogueits not a commercial site, its my blo0g
01:39.30arcanistherogue*blog
01:39.44arcanistheroguecan i use them freely, and if so is there a database of them or something?
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01:42.21arcanistherogue...waoh.
01:42.21NanobotWheeeeee
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01:48.33magyarhow can i connect to a kdm login session through VNC with x11vnc?
01:49.05oGALAXYoyou dont need
01:49.22oGALAXYoyou can connect to it directly from within another Xsession (server, even over net)
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01:49.34oGALAXYothrough the xdmcp protocol using xhost and xnest
01:50.00magyari am at home and the system is in the office
01:50.02thiagomagyar: make the VNC server start kdm
01:50.14thiagohmm... no, that won't work
01:50.18thiagokdm starts the X server
01:50.25thiagobut the VNC server starts the X server...
01:50.27magyarthiago, kdm is started accept its in "login" screen
01:50.41thiagoso, conclusion: you can't start kdm inside VNC
01:51.10thiagomagyar: right, so make kdm start its XDMCP service
01:51.26thiagoand have your x11vnc -query the XDMCP service provided by kdm
01:51.40thiagoor just use NX
01:51.41magyarhow do i do that?
01:51.50thiagouse the -query option
01:52.16strawXnest?
01:52.45thiagono
01:52.47strawoh, oGALAXYo already mentioned it
01:53.33thiagothat would be an X server (Xnest) inside an X server (x11vnc) inside VNC inside an X server (your local session)
01:53.44thiagodoes anyone see 2 X servers too many?
01:54.32strawheheh
01:55.07oGALAXYonot necessarily
01:55.17Theory_3 too many?
01:55.19oGALAXYoyou can have two xserver, sone at home, one at work
01:55.26oGALAXYoand query the one at work from your home one
01:55.30oGALAXYoand login to it as its normally
01:55.34strawi was thinking of gdmflexiserver, i guess
01:55.35oGALAXYoX -query <ip>
01:55.43oGALAXYoor something.
01:55.57oGALAXYoit will bring the kdm login from work to your local system
01:56.08oGALAXYoyou can login, work on the server at office and logout of it again.
01:56.42thiagooGALAXYo: you won't be queruing the X server remotely
01:57.00thiagoyou may as well configure kdm not to start any X server at all
01:58.29thiagothe one-X-server solution requires you to use the X11 protocol directly
01:58.41thiagoNX will require a second X server as well, but it'll be running locally, not remotely
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02:06.42fatejudgerhow do I tell Konqueror to use arts to output sound?
02:06.50chrisagkcontrol
02:07.08chrisagthen sound and multimedia
02:07.19chrisagexcept it's for all of KDE ;)
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02:10.38fatejudgerchrisag: I don't see where to do that
02:10.58fatejudgerchrisag: I have the sound system enabled
02:11.25chrisagfatejudger: as far as i know you can't specifically tell one application in kde to use one sound system versus another
02:12.35fatejudgerchrisag: well how do I tell them all to use arts
02:13.49chrisagi do not remember
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02:26.43hydrogenannma: heh, like that fix :P
02:26.56annmahi! pardon?
02:27.12hydrogenabout fvisibility
02:27.35hydrogenat least it stops the breakage :)
02:28.06annmaoh, ok, cool
02:28.18hydrogenby disabling it, but it stops it
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02:30.27TuGGerJi. I'm running LM 9.1 with KDE 3.1.0 - I cannot turn ToolTips off, even though it's unchecked in 'Style' dialog. Any ideas?
02:30.56annmahow come?
02:31.08annmawas your user a new one?
02:32.10hydrogenhrm
02:32.15hydrogenI need to get rid of some of these partitions :/
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02:35.29Oleg_what can I use instead of arts to hear kde desktop sounds?
02:35.46annmaogg123
02:36.16annmaTuGGer: is your user a new one?
02:37.58TuGGerannma: sorry, I didn't know you we answering me. No my user is quite old (the original), but I've had no probs with anything else (except I cannot single click either with Mouse follows action)
02:38.50annmain kcontrol, when you uncheck Enable tooltips, and you apply
02:38.59TuGGerannma: even though in the .kde dir for konquerorc (I beive) it shoiws TolTips off
02:39.07annmado you still have the tooltip on the default button?
02:39.33TuGGerannma: kcontrol -- can you access from command line?
02:39.47annmakcontrol
02:41.13TuGGerannma: under 'Style' 'Enable tooltips' unchecked in kcontrol
02:41.33annmanow with the mouse get over the Default button
02:41.42annmado you see a tooltip?
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02:44.35TuGGerannma: I just clicked 'Defaults' again - checked on 'Enable Tooltips' > Apply then unchecked it.and 'Apply' -- this time it set it properly (no tooltips now), but if I reload the user, it's back to where I was before - with Tooltips enabled even though it's unchecked
02:44.51annmareload the user?
02:44.57annmaexplain that?
02:45.17TuGGerannma: log out, and re-login as same user
02:45.58TuGGerannma: can't do that know w/o getting off internet anbd this chat
02:46.38TuGGerannma: what I'm trying to say: it doesn't seem to save the session info in kde
02:48.33annmayes
02:48.40annmayou should try a new user
02:48.49annmaI was looking where this is written
02:49.05TuGGerannma: works fine in the three other users. Id of my user is 501
02:49.17annmait's not Id that matters
02:49.27annmait's somethign in kde config file
02:49.31TuGGerI know that, but . . .
02:49.36annmaI cannot find where this is saved
02:50.17TuGGeryup and only with my user -- I believ i found it in /root/tmp/...
02:50.38annmayour user is root/
02:50.40TuGGeror in .kde under sessions
02:50.52TuGGernope - my user is tugger
02:51.16TuGGerbut a lot of stuff for tugger and other users is there
02:52.14TuGGernot sure about this . . . .kde > config > session > kwin??
02:53.02TuGGeror ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
02:53.31annmahave a look in the files
02:53.37annmanot konquerorrc
02:53.43TuGGerIn that file: ShowFileTips=false
02:53.43annmathis is not a konqueror setting
02:53.52annmawhat file?
02:53.58TuGGerhmm . . . I'm lost then
02:54.03annmataht's not the same at all
02:54.09annmatooltips are balloon help
02:54.21annmatips are Tips of the day probably
02:54.45TuGGermaybe kdeglobals?
02:54.46annmabacking up the whole .kde to .kde.bak and starting again will tell you if it's n there
02:55.15annmaI looked in kdeglobals, not there
02:55.29TuGGerthat's an excellent idea -- I'll do that - or maybe compare files with other user files
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02:56.33TuGGersure can get annoying looking for the right file to modify . . .
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02:57.18TuGGerarrgh . . . kcontrol just crashed . . .
02:57.19MrPingouinhello world
02:57.29MrPingouinany karamba applet to display photos ?
02:58.03TuGGergotta muck around a bit more -- thanks annma
02:58.13annmagood luck
02:58.17TuGGeryup
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03:16.26malcolm2I can't type e into konsole and it hides the next character too. If I type "abcdefg" I get "abcdg"
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03:17.14Gentle_malcolm2, you sure you didn't have alt pressed or anything? That thing happens when you type Euro without having the proper locales
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03:18.32malcolm2I'm using the dvorak keyboard but it is only in konsole - the e works everywhere else
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03:29.28Chanidoes anyone know whether it would be at least theoretically possible to make something that displayed different icons for svn files in konq? like tortoiseSVN in windows...
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03:30.04chrisagtechnically it is
03:30.14chrisagchange the the mimetype icon asscociation
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03:30.52nitishpHello.
03:31.30nitishpYou know the first menu you see on the first start of KDE? (Where it tells you what level of graphical effects you want..) How do I access that again?
03:31.43nitishpI'm thinking somewhere in Control Panel, but I can't seem to find it.
03:31.47nitishpThoughts?
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03:33.02grepperkpersonalizer
03:33.12greppersettings->desktop settings wizard
03:33.18Chanichrisag: but aren't mimetypes about diffrent file types, like gif or jpg or txt? svn files can be any type, you have to check the .svn folder to figure it out...
03:33.29nitishpAh, thanks grepper!
03:33.33greppernitishp: np
03:33.52chrisagah i thoguht you were referring to .svn
03:34.20nitishpOkey doke, back to homework.
03:34.22nitishpThanks again.
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03:37.38Chanichrisag: nope, that would be too easy and not very useful :)
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04:10.11tdb30_I'm using perlbox voice and I want to be able to move around the windows and go to to new windows.  Does anyone know how to do that?  Here is a sample of how they change to a different workspace kwin KWinInterface setCurrentDesktop 1
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05:02.31phild0hey - what command can i run to activate the screensave?
05:02.34phild0+r
05:02.59phild0or is there an applet i can add to the panel?
05:04.21fatejudgerphild0: lock session?
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05:06.05phild0erp - what a dumbass, didnt think it's default to screensaver, i never had one set.
05:06.06phild0thanks ;)
05:06.33fatejudgerphild0: I'm not sure whether that works, I just guessed
05:07.34phild0nah, you're right ;)
05:07.37phild0just tested. thanks. heh
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05:17.00supoi'm having a problem with graphics.. i'm using kubuntu and i have installed nvidia-glx and settings and everything, but the fps on my desktop seems very low, i enabled fast rendering from xorg.conf and it helped a little but its still kind of jammy
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05:18.29supoin game.. like tuxracer its okay and it works fine but on the desktop if i move a window it jams pretty annoyingly, and for example window decoration crystal i didn't get work.. something wrong with my transparency? iron named theme's translucency didn't work either :/ this is really bothering me and i would really appreciate if anyone has time to help me out
05:19.12supooh, and my graphics card is geforce 6600
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05:32.56XaXXonI can't figure out where to put my settings.. No matter where I put them, something interactive either thinks it is or isn't a login shell
05:33.36canllaithkonsole --ls
05:33.39canllaithmakes it a login shell.
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05:34.02XaXXonis there any reason that's not the default?
05:34.13canllaithSome people don't want it to be? :)
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06:15.51charles`when you rotate with X RandR with the nvidia driver you get rotation but everything doesn't resize and you get blackspace at the bottom of your screen.  anyone know if this is an nvidia or KWin problem?
06:16.16mark_alechave you tested it with other window managers?
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06:17.16charles`mark_alec it doesn't seem to happen with metacity
06:17.30mark_alecin that case i would conclude it is a kwin problem
06:18.01charles`mark_alec: yeah but it still could be an nvidia problem if it just doesn't follow the spec right and metacity gracefully handles it
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06:18.47mark_aleccharles`: try it with (kwin + nv driver) and (metacity + nv ) driver
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06:19.11coshxis there a good gui cvs client that will integrate seamlessly into kde, like tortoisecvs does in windows?
06:19.33_poisoncoshx: cervisia
06:19.47charles`mark_alec: ok, I'll give it a shot
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06:20.15coshx_poison: thanks!
06:20.22_poisonnp ^^
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06:53.00chakie_workpretty interesting blog on planetkde.org by adrian de g. about kde api documentation
06:53.35chakie_workwhen i've tried to do some kde stuff i've usually been put off by the lack of docs, there is really no organization
06:54.03chakie_workso 90% of the development time goes to crawling docs and google, meaning at least i just resort to plain qt to get my stuff done
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07:16.18Oleg_and I ain't sleeping
07:16.23canllaithHiya Oleg_
07:16.32Oleg_hi
07:17.08Oleg_how are you?
07:17.15canllaithnot bad :)
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07:19.41Oleg_reading about Cfront in wikipedia
07:20.42ravi_Has anyone of u  heard abt tempest
07:22.45ravi_Xcuse me
07:34.47Oleg_I see that g++ compiles programs that don't have int in front of main()
07:35.05cpwOleg_: sure, why not
07:35.10cpwOleg_: all it does is assume void
07:35.36Oleg_but void main ain't standard, as far as I remember
07:37.58cpwthat's what they want you to think
07:38.19cpwbut yah, for the quality assurance of "Hey, did that program run properly" it's a good idea
07:38.35cpwotherwise you cant check for, say, $? in bash to see if your program runs
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07:49.21blackvdok be back later
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08:14.49Mouseyare there no acpi monitor applets for kde? =(
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08:42.58HellSp4wnIs there any way to make Akregator use konquerors adblock-functions?
08:43.42dystopianrayah yeah I am also interested about that :)
08:43.51dystopianrayadvertisements in rss feeds are very annoying :/
08:45.29HellSp4wndystopianray: It isnt stat important in the rss-feeds for me, but when I open the whole article in a tab - thats enoying...
08:45.38HellSp4wns/stat/that/
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08:46.08dystopianrayah yeah tabs would be annoying too, I always set it to open the articles in konq externally
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08:51.30joshuafrhello
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09:19.31joshuafrhoorayforme: sorry for the waiting. Where do you find these options?
09:19.59hoorayformejoshuafr: configure konqueror from the menu
09:21.41joshuafrhoorayforme: sorry, but my kde is in french, I don't find them
09:23.28joshuafrcertainly, I just want to know where to go in the menu :-P
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09:50.30cilkayHello. Is there a way to schedule an email to be sent at a particular time from KMail?
09:50.47cilkayThis is a feature from Eudora that I miss terribly.
09:51.35cilkayI know I can schedule an email to be sent using KAlarm but that is not the same thing. The sent message will not appear in my Sent Mail folder in KMail.
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10:05.50extraord1naryHello,please tell me how i can to install liquid???
10:06.11extraord1naryI have liquid lwp-8.6.skz
10:06.25extraord1narybut I don't now how I can install it
10:06.42cilkaythiago: were you responding to my question?
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10:07.10cilkay... about scheduling an email from KMail
10:08.02thiagocilkay: yes
10:08.09cilkayThanks.
10:08.47cilkayPerhaps there's a way to script it with DCOP. Will look into that.
10:10.02joshuafrhoorayforme: me again, I don't find previews and metadata options. Where are they?
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10:32.13agenteohi, I've just emerged kiosk now I'm getting some errors while I save the new profile. I'm doing this as a normal user... can anybody help me?
10:32.34agenteoI don't know why the tool is trying to save the profile on this destination: fish://root@localhost/etc/kderc
10:32.50thiagoin order to save it as root
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10:51.20halcyonCorsairhey, what kind of spam protection can i setup in conjunction with Kmail?
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10:54.02canllaithhalcyonCorsair: spamassasin, bogofilter... hrm. Not sure what else.
10:54.05canllaithThe wizard will tell ou
10:55.28halcyonCorsaircanllaith: why is the right side of the wizard greyed out? with the "unsure" section?
10:55.44canllaithno clue since I'm not looking at your wizard :p
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11:01.30halcyonCorsairbleh :)
11:03.55canllaithhalcyonCorsair: if you actually showed me what you meant or explained it I might have a chance in hell of knowing what you were talking about though :P
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11:06.02halcyonCorsaircanllaith: anti-spam wizard, selecting the spam filters to be created, i'm unable to select a "target folder for unsure" and the listview is greyed out
11:06.21canllaithDo you use online imap?
11:07.40halcyonCorsaircanllaith: nope
11:07.46halcyonCorsaircanllaith: pop3 only
11:08.02canllaithThat seems a little strange.
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11:16.31pinotreehello =)
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11:45.27shastryanyone know how to play an audio cd in amarok ?
11:45.33shastryhi btw
11:45.35shastry;P
11:46.04mark_alecshastry: there is an option in the 'Actions Menu' to 'Play Audio CD'
11:48.32shastryah
11:49.45shastrynoo.
11:49.49shastryits disabled
11:49.52shastrygreyed out :(
11:50.23pinotreetry to install the kdemultimedia kio-plugins
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11:56.55*** topic/#kde is Latest releases: stable: 3.4.3, development: 3.5 RC 1. See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | New features in development versions: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html
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12:07.59pinotreemorning PhilRod :-)
12:08.18PhilRodheya pinotree :-)
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12:08.50pinotreehehe
12:13.44PhilRodalong with the slightly annoying fact that some stuff didn't upgrade automatically, so I have to do it by hand, but that's not a huge problem
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12:18.59AlcapondHi - I need some help with my KDE / gentoo installation. My KDE acts strange - KMIX always starts with persistent windows, I cannot enter cookie-settings in Konqui or use KWallet, I cannot print out of kde-apps and quite some more strange things happen. I have (r)emerged KDE - nothing changes - different user have the same problem. I assume a problem in DCOP or in the rights management somewhere - anybody got a clue or has some time to help me
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12:21.19PhilRodAlcapond: did you install the full kdebase package?
12:22.03AlcapondPhilRod: yes I upgraded from 3.4 to 3.5 - so everything was upgraded
12:22.37PhilRodok, so you're not using the split ebuilds?
12:23.19AlcapondPhilRod: I used the meta packages like kde-base/kdebase-3.5.0_rc1
12:23.24Alcapondand so on
12:23.30PhilRodok, good :-)
12:24.25shastryhey
12:24.27AlcapondPhilRod: but nothing changed
12:24.39shastryaudio cd entry showed up in amarok.. i had to use arts/gst engine
12:24.44shastrythnx
12:24.45shastrycya
12:25.16PhilRodwhen you say "different user" was that a newly-created user, or just a different user (which could have had old config files lying around)?
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12:25.31AlcapondPhilRod: a newly created user
12:25.47AlcapondPhilRod: same happens when I start kde as root
12:26.32PhilRodhrm
12:28.17AlcapondPhilRod: the problem occurs in different areas - I assume some problem with dcop - but I do not know how to check if everything is fine
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12:29.29nitishpHello.
12:29.40nitishpIn KWord, how do I get headers and footers to automatically increment themselves.
12:29.48nitishpI'm having a bit of trouble getting that to work.
12:30.05nitishpAs of right now it just prints - Page 1 on every page.
12:30.20nitishpI would like it to print Page 1 on page 1, Page 2 on page 2, etc. etc.
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12:30.26nitishpIn the headers that is.
12:30.30berkesoi there
12:30.35nitishpHello.
12:30.59berkesis there a place like a repository or so to put handy konq browsing profiles?
12:32.11nitishpSweet, never mind I got it. It's Insert -> Variable -> Page.
12:32.22nitishpMan I gotta get cracking on this research paper.
12:32.29nitishpOr I get the shaft >_<
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12:33.02grepperberkes: kde-apps.org perhaps ?
12:33.17berkesgrepper: yea, indeed.
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12:35.38woodefechey
12:35.56woodefecmy suse system update wants to upgrade my kde from 3.4.3 to 3.5.0
12:36.11woodefecis it a good idea to perform this upgrade?
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12:39.20Roeyhi
12:39.23Roeyanyone have this bug
12:39.25Roeyhttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105145
12:39.36Roeyit's been in KHTML for a long, long time.
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12:42.32woodefecproceeding with kde upgrade
12:42.36woodefecits too late
12:44.49WorfRoey: do you have some url to test?
12:45.05grepperwoodefec: well, its still rc - have fun :)
12:45.11RoeyWorf:  yup
12:45.28RoeyWorf: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/korn/20051113
12:45.31woodefecgrepper : suse supplementary sources for KDE are risky sometimes
12:45.49woodefecbut i do it from runlevel 3
12:45.55woodefecall precautions met
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12:46.37woodefeckool that YaST has a ncurses text-mode interactive interface, same funcionality as qt YaST
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12:47.51grepperwoodefec: good, the qt interface is dog slow
12:48.01woodefecgrepper negative
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12:48.05grepperat least was for me when I tried suse
12:48.13woodefecit roxx now
12:48.20WorfRoey: hmm... looks somewhat interesting
12:48.24grepperok
12:48.24woodefeccompared to suse 9.1 everything is 4x faster
12:49.01WorfRoey: that page uses line-height settings a lot...
12:49.17Roeyok
12:49.24Roeyfirefox displays it fine.
12:49.30RoeyWorf:  only in KHTML do I see it like that.
12:49.39RoeyWorf:  and there are a *ton* of other sites that have the same problem
12:49.59WorfRoey: well, my firefox also has some ... effects ... when selecting text
12:50.01Roeyis it possible to edit bug reports?  I want to put a link to that URL in there.
12:50.06RoeyWorf:  k
12:53.46WorfRoey: well, my opinion ( as kde user ) is: selecting text looks correct on that page. question is: is the line spacing correct?
12:54.08WorfRoey: because that differs compared to firefox
12:54.54WorfRoey: i'd reconsider some settings in the stylesheet
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12:55.42ffh00How do I set my desktop from a picture in KDE on command line? With gnome I used /background-properties-capplet -- what do I use with KDE?
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12:58.06berkeshow does the konq profile "midnight commander" get its console in konq?
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12:58.36rabaukemenu window > enable terminal
12:58.45berkesah :)
13:01.56rabaukeSince SuSe 10, knotify does not seem top use arts anymore. Where can I set the Sampling rate etc. for whatever engine knotify is using?
13:02.17rabaukeIn kcontrol I can just set the parameters for arts
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13:07.25berkesrabauke: what does it use instead?
13:07.29berkesgstreamer?
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13:07.55rabaukeI do not know, the release notes said something about kdeMM
13:08.12rabaukeI do not think gstreamer is installed
13:08.26berkesthen I really dont know, sorry
13:10.05PhilRodrabauke: hrm, that sounds odd - do you know where the release notes are so I could take a look?
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13:10.51rabaukeeh, just a second, might have been those of opensuse. arts was not installed by default and knotify worked, so it cannot be arts
13:12.51rabaukeI just had a look, gstreamer is definitely not installed, maybe it uses akode, or is that not an engine?
13:15.27rabaukePhilRod: http://www.opensuse.org/Bugs:most_annoying_bugs
13:15.32rabaukesearch for kdemm
13:18.07PhilRodrabauke: ah, interesting. Not a bad idea, I guess, since arts in unmaintained
13:18.46rabaukeyes, maybe, but I need to set the quality and sampling rate manually, otherwise the sound is noisy
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13:26.27Roeyhey all
13:26.32Roeyis there a way to edit bug reports?
13:26.37RoeyI need to change a path there.
13:26.59PhilRodjust add a comment to say so
13:27.19Roeyk
13:27.21PhilRodI think you need extra privs to edit existing comments
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13:29.08woodefecwhy has release candidate the ver num 3.5.0-3? shouldnt it be like 3.4.9.x?
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13:29.25woodefecoh thats for betas
13:29.28woodefeci guess
13:32.02incorrecthas arts been dumped?
13:32.40Gentle3.5-rc1 includes arts
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13:34.28rabaukeit has not been dumped but is not installed/used by default at least not by SuSE 10
13:34.44Roeyhttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105145
13:34.46Roeyhow about that :)
13:35.35PhilRodarts is still used in vanilla KDE 3.5 as it always has been, but it's unmaintained, so no new features are going into it, and even bugs might not be fixed. KDE 4 will not use arts, but a backend-independent multimedia framework
13:35.44incorrectgentoo seems to prefer esd
13:37.13rabaukeI just hope there will be settings available in kcontrol, to set sound-quality etc.
13:37.40RoeyPhilRod:  so you'd be able to use esd or gstreamer or alsa or oss as a backend?
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13:41.11PhilRodRoey: that's how I understand it, yes
13:41.30Roeywah.
13:41.31Roeyok
13:41.32Roeycool
13:41.51PhilRodRoey: matthias kretz gave a talk at akademy about it if you want more details - you should be able to find either a transcript or streaming ogg somewhere on the web
13:42.06PhilRodor take a look at the kde-multimedia mailing list archives
13:44.02Roeyok
13:44.03Roeythanks :)
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14:01.26Roeytomte:  heya
14:01.32tomtehi
14:01.45Roeytomte:  are you Tom Tervo?
14:01.59NanobotDoes anyone know what hasamimasho is?
14:02.01tomteno, I don't think so;)
14:02.09Roeytomte:  oh, ok :) thanks anyway :)
14:02.25tomteRoey: is there another tomte ?
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14:07.05scanwinderanyone know a site for free virtual desktop like www.cosmopod.com which dosent have to much traffic? because i can never log onto cosmopod becuase it always has 2 much traffic
14:07.54DeadS0ulhello
14:09.28DeadS0ulcosmopod is the only one I know of, read bout it on dot.kde.org hehe
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14:20.37NanobotSo I'm in this UNIX class at school, and every assignment has been based on reading from the book, but it's about three quarters into the semester and I never bought that book :P
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15:01.09moi1392hello. I have a little bug sometimes when I shutdown kde but I can't easely reproduce it to fill a bugreport.. someone could help me ?
15:01.21DeadS0uli can try
15:01.43PhilRodmoi1392: what's the problem?
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15:02.56moi1392thanks :) sometime, when I shutdown KDe and some application crash, KCrashHandler rise up, kwin shutdown (I think that because KCrashHandler "loose" its title bar) and the comuter does'nt finish the shutdown phase, it stop here
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15:03.27DeadS0uldammit kaffiene still doens't play the new quicktime movies >|
15:03.59moi1392I try to reproduce it with a simple kde app, with a volontary segfault before exiting the program, but KCrashHandler does'nt fire up when I shutdown the computer
15:04.10moi1392the problem occur only for kopete crash
15:04.26PhilRodmoi1392: if you click "close" on the crash handler, does shutdown carry on?
15:05.17moi1392PhilRod: yes, but sometime I click on "shutdown computer" and go outside.. and I don't think my computer is always open.
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15:06.34moi1392PhilRod: this could cause some problems, if you think your computer is shutting down and instead it doesn't do nothing
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15:09.51T1T0hallo
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15:14.37PhilRodmoi1392: someone reported that issue on the kde@ mailing list a while back. They might have filed a bug. Take a look on bugs.kde.org
15:15.31PhilRodmoi1392: personally, I think it's correct behaviour (you should be aware that something crashed, and therefore it might not work properly next time), but if you file a bug, the developers will be aware of it and can tell you whether it's intentional behaviour
15:15.40PhilRodhi T1T0
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15:16.46jujimufuhow do I enable auto-mounting for USB flash disks and CD-Roms in KDE 3.4.2?
15:16.47DeadS0ulkopete crashes for me every log out too
15:16.50moi1392PhilRod: ok thank, i'll take a look at the mailing list. for the bug, i did some differents research in bugs.kde.org and didn't find it. I prefer not filling a bug before I'm know how to reproduce it !
15:17.27DeadS0uljujimufu: install hal, dbus and pmount, and use umm
15:17.45DeadS0ulmedia:/
15:18.06jujimufuait
15:18.06jujimufuwait
15:18.30DeadS0ulk
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15:19.58jujimufuwhat's umm?
15:21.00jujimufuDeadS0ul, what's umm?
15:23.47jujimufuDeadS0ul: I inserted my usb flash disk, and it won't recognise it. I mean, it won't even appear in /dev...
15:24.07DeadS0ulare you using udev?
15:24.31jujimufuhow do I check?
15:24.43DeadS0ulwhat distro are you using?
15:24.53jujimufuarchlinux
15:25.06DeadS0ulI dunno that distro =|
15:25.13jujimufumy drives are in the /dev/hdXY form. does this mean I am using udev?
15:25.32jujimufuX = disk number, Y = partition number.
15:25.35DeadS0ulnaw, that's normal with or without udev
15:25.39jujimufuhm...
15:25.46jujimufuwhat about my grub.conf boot line?
15:25.47DeadS0ulwhat kernel version do you have?
15:26.01DeadS0ulnaw it won't be there
15:26.02jujimufu2.6.10
15:26.13DeadS0ulusb drives show up as /dev/sdXY btw
15:26.41DeadS0ulyeah you're probably not running udev I think, udev and hal require 2.6.12 now
15:27.01jujimufuhm... what if I run udev as a command?
15:27.04DeadS0ulalright check if you have /dev/sdXY
15:27.38DeadS0ulcheck for /dev/sdXY first =|
15:27.48jujimufuok, I ran udev as a command, and there is still no sign of /dev/sda1 (the usual usb flash disk device) nor any other /dev/sdXY
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15:28.12DeadS0ulheck I'm not sure then >|
15:28.33DeadS0uldo you have a package manager?
15:28.47jujimufupackage manager no, but I can check if there is a package or something. Why?
15:29.10DeadS0uleasy upgrades.. heh
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15:29.32DeadS0ulum i'm not sure how you can get your usb disk show up in dev
15:29.36jujimufuI can't afford upgrading to 2.6.12 or newer.
15:29.45DeadS0ulbut onces you do it'll show up as /dev/sdXY
15:29.48jujimufuMy modem's modules will only work on 2.6.10 or older.
15:29.59jujimufusome times it DOES show up as sdXY.
15:30.04jujimufuI mean, it\s completely random.
15:30.12jujimufuoh, what about coldplug? should I install it?
15:30.16DeadS0ulthen you can mount it by using mount -t vfat /dev/sdXY /mnt/desitination
15:30.27DeadS0ulyou mena hotplug?
15:30.30DeadS0ulthat should work
15:30.44jujimufuI do have hotplug installed, but I think there is a coldplug module too.
15:30.46jujimufuwait
15:30.50DeadS0ulalright
15:31.08jujimufuyeah
15:31.10jujimufu"Coldplug is responsible for all devices connected before the hotplug system is
15:31.10jujimufuenabled during the boot process."
15:31.21DeadS0uloh
15:31.28jujimufushould I try installing it then?
15:31.51DeadS0ulI guess, i dunno bout coldplug though =(
15:31.54jujimufuok
15:32.02jujimufuI had it installed in gentoo, that's why I tell you.
15:32.16DeadS0ulbut coldplug is only for the boot process..
15:32.51jujimufuok.
15:32.55jujimufuwhat about hotplug?
15:32.57jujimufushould I install that?
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15:33.15DeadS0ulinstall the packages, yeah
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15:34.01penguinzdrsomeone tell me name of a dark kde style
15:34.04penguinzdrpls
15:34.21jujimufukde-look.org
15:34.24jujimufupenguinzdr, kde-look.org
15:34.42PhilRodif you just want everything to be dark, go to control center -> appearance -> colours, and select "dark blue" or something similar
15:34.56dune_In KDE 3.5 alpha my time is ahead one hour. I have daylight savings time, could that be interferring?
15:35.09PhilRodit's a little tricky to get everything to match it, but it's possible
15:35.40PhilRoddune_: presumably, though I expect it's something to be dealt with at a system (ie, not KDE) level. Does 'date' output the correct time?
15:35.41dune_Chicago Time
15:35.59dune_No one day behind
15:36.15DeadS0ulyou didn't change the timezone for your KDE clock did you?
15:36.18dune_PhilRod, It says the 16
15:36.20penguinzdrwhen saying dark i mean black
15:36.37dune_DeadS0ul, Yes I changed it to Chicago time
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15:36.45DeadS0ulpenguinzdr: make one, and send it to me =D
15:37.25jujimufupenguinzdr: do some searching in kde-look.org
15:37.55penguinzdrok, lets stay with theme darkness. but i have a problem with darkness: the inactive button text is not showing
15:37.56PhilRoddune_: where exactly did you change it (the clock on the panel?)?
15:38.08dune_Yes
15:38.19DeadS0uldune_: chacnge it back to local timezone then
15:38.36PhilRodah, that's the short version of what I was about to say :-)
15:38.50DeadS0ul=D
15:39.14PhilRoddune_: you can change the timezone that you're in using control center
15:39.28PhilRodchanging the timezone on the panel clock lets you see teh time in other parts of the world
15:40.21penguinzdrhow can i fix the problem with theme darkness?
15:40.23DeadS0ulpenguinzdr: change it in kcontrol-> colours, and save it
15:40.35penguinzdrlets see...
15:40.43PhilRodpenguinzdr: change the "inactive button text" colour
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15:41.52penguinzdrPhilRod: i dont have such
15:42.05DeadS0ulthere's no inactive button text on mine either >|
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15:43.49DeadS0ulwhat color is your background button?
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15:44.44penguinzdrbutton background is black
15:45.44PhilRodlooks like the colour of text on inactive buttons is computed automatically
15:46.03penguinzdrthe active buttons are OK, only inactive buttons dont show
15:46.14DeadS0ulyeah thats' probably why, swithc it to a dark gray
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15:47.57Radenis there a way for me to change my graphical setting in KDE fr0om console i messed up my grphics setting and now i cant login keeps sending me back to login prompt
15:48.29DeadS0ulwhat distro?
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15:49.48penguinzdrnow with dark-style color scheme it looks better
15:49.52penguinzdrmy sister will like it
15:50.04DeadS0ulheh is she goth?
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15:50.11penguinzdryeah
15:50.15coachzAnyone here use kate ?  Is there a way to rename/delete a file in the filesystem browser?
15:50.29penguinzdrshe HATE pink color
15:50.38DeadS0ulhah, pink is lame
15:50.47RadenDeadS0ul, SUSE 9.2
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15:50.59PhilRodpenguinzdr: did you get the background colour on disabled buttons to change? it doesn't change with "button background" here
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15:51.33PhilRodRaden: what error do you get when you try to log in to KDE?
15:51.46DeadS0ulRaden: dang I dunno bout SuSe =\
15:51.47Radenjust kicks me back to graphical login screen
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15:51.57Radeni can login as root or another user just not mine
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15:52.27penguinzdrPhilRod: no. i have downloaded dark-style from kde-look and evrything is cool now
15:52.30Radeni havent logged out for 3 months i rember i did somethign to graphical settings i just cant rember what
15:52.33PhilRodpenguinzdr: ok :-)
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15:53.02RadenDeadS0ul, how would you do it with another distro
15:53.39frbI really want auto-complete delay
15:53.53PhilRodRaden: rm ~/.DCOP* ~/.ICE* /tmp/kde-<username> and /var/tmp/kde*username
15:53.59PhilRodand try again
15:54.16RadenPhilRod, thanks ill try it :)
15:54.34deitarionDoes anyone know why my Konqueror freezes for up to a minute while rendering pages containing Japanese characters? It's been happening since I first tried viewing Japanese pages (Konqueror 3.2.x on Mandrake Linux 10.0) and I'm currently running Konqueror 3.4.1 on Gentoo Linux.
15:54.54DeadS0ulwith debian..you use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or something like that
15:55.12PhilRodif that doesn't work, rename (*NOT* delete) ~/.kde and try again. Come back and tell us whether that worked
15:55.17DeadS0ulRaden: I think you have to edit your XF86Config, i dunno who to do it though
15:55.29DeadS0ulhow to do it even
15:55.35penguinzdrcya soon guys
15:55.40penguinzdrthx for the help
15:55.50Raden3 books out and ive been working on this all morning after someone somehow restarted the system
15:55.58PhilRoddeitarion: do you have an example url? we can  see if it's a bug, or a local issue
15:56.43deitarionGive me a sec to find one.
15:56.58DeadS0ulcna't be that hard
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15:57.20deitarionI think it might be an encoding-related issue since Google Japan has never shown the problem.
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15:58.26deitarionCorrection, it may be a Kanji issue. It seems Google Japan does show a minor freeze if Kanji appear in the search results.
15:59.15DeadS0ulRaden: someone changed you resolution, is that why X won't start?
15:59.40RadenDeadS0ul, yeah i believe soo
15:59.42deitarionThis site is an adult games manufacturer, but it's the only one that I could think of at the moment. It's currently showing one short to medium-length freeze as each frame renders. --> http://www.sis.iowave.co.jp/crowd/top.html
16:01.38deitarionIf you want a more worksafe example, just google for Crowd and you should get a 1-5 second freeze since that page will appear in the search results.
16:02.03Radenand if i could just find the darn config file
16:02.17DeadS0ulit should be in your /etc/ dir
16:02.33DeadS0ulare you using xorg or xfree86?
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16:03.34liquidatHej....
16:03.56RadenDeadS0ul, dunno
16:04.09Radeni have a Z11R6 Directory
16:04.14RadenX11R6
16:04.15DeadS0uldo locate xorg.conf
16:04.21DeadS0uloh go in there
16:04.24DeadS0ulit's under /etc?
16:04.38Radenhow do i locate ?
16:04.44DeadS0ullocate is a command
16:04.49Radendont work :(
16:05.00Radenlocate command not found
16:05.13DeadS0ulwhereis xorg.conf?
16:05.29jujimufuDeadS0ul, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:05.44RadenOffice:/etc # whereis xorg.conf
16:05.44Radenxorg:
16:05.48liquidatRaden: Then you have to install the findutils.
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16:06.01liquidatRaden: To have the locate program...
16:06.18PhilRodif he can log in with other users, there isn't a problem with xorg.conf
16:06.33Radenroot works and every other user works
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16:06.55Radenits just my personal login and i think the res or somethign got messed up but dunno cause i havent logged out for like 60 some days
16:07.10Radenwhat would be a users config file for graphical login
16:07.16DeadS0uloh..
16:07.21deitarionThat reminds me, I have to recompile Konqueror with debugging data and enable core dumps. It's stability for non-stop running of 1-2 weeks and up has improved, but it still crashes occasionally.
16:07.24DeadS0ulno wait ti could be
16:07.31DeadS0ulcos of XRandR ...
16:07.39Raden?
16:07.41DeadS0ulit'll apply a setting on user's log in
16:07.50annmadeitarion: then report crashes with backtrace
16:08.03DeadS0ulso if its' set to something too high it'll mess up
16:08.16Radenhow doi i fix cause this is a common problem around here
16:08.18PhilRodRaden: rename ~/.kde/share/config/kcmdisplayrc and try again
16:08.32Radenand i got fed up cause were busy as can be right now soo i usually just create a new accoiunt for user
16:08.43deitarionannma: Actually, my intent was to attempt to debug them myself since I'm starting to learn C and C++.
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16:09.05annmadeitarion: hmm, this is hardly a beginner job!
16:09.22annmadeitarion: if it's the CSS or HTML then you have to make a test case
16:09.24RadenPhilRod, where would i locate the file
16:09.46PhilRoddeitarion: annma's probably right, but there are lots of good beginner jobs if you'd like to help KDE and improve your C++ skills
16:10.04Radenomg i have find on the computer
16:10.10PhilRodRaden: where I said :-) ('~' means 'your home directory')
16:10.11Raden<PROTECTED>
16:10.51PhilRoddeitarion: an easy way to find them is to look on bugs.kde.org for "Junior jobs" (there's a link on the front page, IIRC)
16:11.02RadenPhilRod, forgive my incompetence its been 2 years since ive been in consolve and honestly im going to get used to using it again cause this grahpical crap is nice but when stuff goes south its a pain
16:12.14DeadS0ul=9
16:12.16DeadS0ul=(
16:12.41PhilRodthe console is your friend :-)
16:13.15PhilRod(seriously, it's well worth learning if a) you ever do sysadmin stuff, b) you ever do any kind of batch processing (say, a load of images) or text processing)
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16:13.34devsteranyone alive who knows about the kweather plugin?
16:14.01PhilRodRaden: anyway, just run the following command in a console (where you're logged in as the user whose KDE isn't working): 'mv ~/.kde/share/config/kcmdisplayrc ~'
16:14.05PhilRoddevster: just ask
16:14.28PhilRodRaden: then try logging in again
16:14.33devsterwell i want to know how to add an extra place to the available stations
16:14.36PhilRodand tell us whether it works or not
16:14.50Radenhow do i remane a file
16:14.59Radenim in root found everythign
16:15.11Radenjust cant rember commands or proper ways to use them for life of me
16:16.08Radenrename ./kcmdisplayrc ./kcmdisplayrc2
16:16.08Raden<PROTECTED>
16:16.12PhilRod'mv' is used to rename files (see example I gave above)
16:16.23RadenPhilRod, thanks : )
16:16.43Radenthere we go
16:16.53Radenbrb try to login on diffrent tty2
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16:18.29csezoli'd like to create system sounds, but i dont know any software to work with.. please help me.
16:18.37Radenstill get kicked
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16:20.06RadenPhilRod, allthe config files for my user should be in that directory correct  ?
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16:20.12devsterhow do you add a custom station to the kweather plugin?
16:20.18PhilRodRaden: indeed
16:20.29PhilRodif by "that directory" you mean ~
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16:21.22RadenPhilRod, Office:/home/jon/.kde/share/config < that directory
16:21.45PhilRodall KDE settings are in there
16:22.10agenteohi, I'm using kiosk to configure the users desktops. I would like to configure a common Startup screen... you know the one displayed while the desktop is loading?
16:22.13csezolplease, a linux sound creator..
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16:22.59agenteoI can configure it in the control center, but it's just for the current user... is there a way to set up a system one?
16:23.09anabainhi, I'm translating digiKam, and don't know what this sentence means:
16:23.11PhilRodcsezol: best to ask in #yourdistro - I don't know of any KDE sound creation apps (but look on kde-apps.org)
16:23.12anabainThis provides an universal asset for all scenics, especially suited for
16:23.13anabainportraits photographed against sky.
16:23.25Radenwhats .gconfd ?
16:23.39PhilRodagenteo: see the user guide, section "KDE for administrators"
16:23.41PhilRod~ug
16:23.42aptwell, ug is http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/
16:23.59PhilRodagenteo: you just put an appropriate config file with immutable entry in $KDEDIR/share/config
16:24.07PhilRodthen it applies system-wide
16:24.18PhilRodand can't be changed by users
16:24.25anabainto be concret: what does "scenics" mean? and "against sky"? "portraits" is supposed to be photographs of people?
16:24.29PhilRodanyway, the userguide explains it better than I can :-)
16:25.41PhilRodanabain: my guesses: "scenics": pictures of natural scenes (lakes, trees, ...); "against sky": photos where the subject has the sky as the background. "portraits": yes
16:25.42agenteoPhilRod, you've been really helpful thank you very much ;-)
16:25.42anabainmore general: it's good english?
16:27.01jujimufuDeadS0ul, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:27.07jujimufuwrong paste, sorry...
16:27.08PhilRodanabain: I wouldn't use "scenics" myself, but the others are good english
16:27.14anabainPhilRod: "scenics" is then the same as "landscape"? that's what I thought, but the problem is that landscape is also used in the following option in the menu, and I think then both terms don't refer to the same meaning...
16:27.19jujimufuhow do I enable auto-mounting for USB flash disks and CD-Roms in KDE 3.4.2?
16:27.23PhilRodanabain: though they're kinda bizarre names to use
16:27.44anabainyes, I think so, and I'm not english-speaking, :)
16:28.35PhilRodanabain: ah, I see. "scenic" could be scenes that are pictures of individual people perhaps, then, but I think since neither of us can work it out, it isn't clear, and you should ask the author
16:28.50PhilRodanabain: or the kde-i18n-doc@kde.org mailing list
16:28.55anabainthe sentence appears in a green filter option explanation
16:28.56PhilRodagenteo: you're welcome :-)
16:29.01anabainok, PhilRod
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16:29.14DeadS0uljujimufu, you use hotplug to automount it
16:29.26dpyhi guys
16:30.11dpyis there a way to place a window of an app at some position +x+y with kstart ?
16:30.13jujimufuDeadS0ul, I ran hotplug, but it does nothing.
16:30.40DeadS0ulinsert your flash disk and then look at your syslog
16:30.41dpyor override the default window placement or something
16:31.08csezolplease, a linux sound creator..
16:31.32Radenis there anyway to reset a users graphical settings to default
16:31.34DeadS0uldpy: right click that window's title bar and use 'configure window behavior'
16:31.58DeadS0ulRaden: graphical settings you mean their resolution?
16:32.19DeadS0ulcsezol: rosegarden
16:32.54dpyDeadS0ul: yes, but I want to override that setting
16:33.15anabaincsezol, what do you understand by linux sound creaator?
16:34.06PhilRoddpy: -geometry, I guess
16:34.15DeadS0uldpy: not sure then
16:34.21RadenDeadS0ul, yes
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16:34.57dpythe problem is, kwin is overriding the application now
16:35.31dpyI want kwin to only use it's predefined geomtery for the window class when the application doesn't specify a location
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16:39.34devsterdoes anyone know how to add a custom station to the kweather plugin?
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16:42.03dpyis there a way to resize a non-kde window with dcop ?
16:42.06agenteoPhilRod, I made it!
16:42.31DeadS0ulRaden: i cant' find anythign on it =(
16:42.39PhilRodagenteo: cool - did the user guide help?
16:43.02agenteoPhilRod,  :-\ heeem no it was on another page
16:43.13agenteoPhilRod, http://www.ces.clemson.edu/linux/fc4_desktop.shtml#ksplash
16:43.31agenteoPhilRod, then I've copied the current user lines in to the system file
16:44.16PhilRodok
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16:47.45DeadS0ultime for me to go to bed
16:47.46DeadS0ul'gnite all
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16:49.36pinotree~kde4-buzz
16:49.37aptKDE 4 is currently for developers only. See: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
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16:53.28deitarionPhilRod: Actually, I want my first project to be either to port the Smokey-Blue theme from GTK+ 2.x or write a "theme Qt using GTK+ 2.x" engine. I'm using GTK+ 2.x apps almost exclusively because I can't tolerate any of the existing Qt or GTK+ 1.x themes.
16:54.10PhilRoddeitarion: heh, aiming high :-)
16:54.47PhilRodI imagine the latter would be difficult, though you could look at gtk-qt-engine or whatever it's called to get ideas
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16:55.35deitarionWell, I do prefer to artificially steepen the learning curve and I do understand many of the concepts of Object-Oriented Programming from my time working with Python and Java.
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16:56.18deitarionIf I didn't aim high, I'd just lose interest and go find something Python-based to work on.
16:56.39PhilRodah, if you're familiar with OOP, then C++ probably isn't too big a step. The Qt and KDE libraries are quite large though. The Qt tutorials are generally thought to be quite good
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16:57.56deitarionActually, the biggest problem I had so far was understanding what the point of pointers was. Once I realized how primitive C was, it finally made sense. (I have yet to see a pointer function which can't be mimicked by Python in an equally easy but far safer manner)
16:58.38thiagorefcounted wrapper works
16:59.12deitarionYes, but refcounting is very prone to memory leaks. That's one of the big arguments people make when extending Python.
16:59.26thiagorefcounting is prone to memory leaks, how?
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16:59.56deitarionOne missed release function and you've got leaks who knows how many places.
17:00.05stepzcircular refs
17:00.19deitarionPython uses a partial garbage collector to solve those.
17:00.29thiagostepz: that is true
17:00.41agenteoa KDE-n00b question in Gnome I was used to move in virtual screens with ctrl + alt right arrow / left arrow. is there such a shortcut in kde?
17:00.53PhilRodCtrl+F<n>
17:00.56PhilRodor Ctrl+Tab
17:01.07thiagostepz: you have to make explicit ownership
17:01.20thiagoowned object pointing to owner shouldn't increase its refcount
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17:01.59agenteoPhilRod, you're my KDE hero ;-) thanks again
17:02.03deitarionThat reminds me, once I get a suitable Qt theme and Icon theme written, I'll have to try KDE as a desktop environment again.
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17:02.49deitarionI suppose you could say I'm very hard to please because I have the worst traits of both UNIX/Linux geeks and Mac addicts.
17:03.12aseigowhat's a "suitable" theme for you?
17:03.19PhilRoddeitarion: bad personal hygiene and a tendency to end sentences with "man"?
17:03.22PhilRod:-)
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17:03.54Chambers`Hey guys, I'm having a wierd thing happen when running "My Computer.Desktop" or "Network.desktop"  Rather than opening the file manager and going to media:/ or smb:/ both open amaroK.  Any ideas?
17:04.15aseigoChambers`: not unless you describe what the wird thing is.
17:04.24deitarionVery picky about both the visual style and open-source easily-scripted programs.
17:04.30thiagoaseigo: he has :-)
17:04.37Chambers`it's opening amaroK instead of My Computer or Network
17:04.49thiagoChambers`: it looks like the mime type association for inode/directory is messed up
17:04.51aseigolol... nice.
17:04.59aseigoyes, it would likely be a mimetype screw up
17:05.02thiagocheck your Konqueror settings
17:05.06thiagoanyways, bbl
17:05.20Chambers`thiago: lol, don't go..I don't know what to look for :P
17:05.39Chambers`home opens up fine
17:05.43PhilRodChambers`: as thiago said, settings->configure konq -> file associations -> inode/directory (in the tree)
17:05.46deitarionaseigo: I can't stand glass-look icons, I can't stand solid-color windows, I have a very low tolerance for graidents, and I insist on subdued colors.
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17:06.25Chambers`ha, amaroK is listed as the first :P
17:06.39PhilRodfood, bbl
17:07.27aseigodeitarion: there are a large number of icon themes out there. a few ship with KDE, more available on kde-look.org. what's a "solid color window"? you mean you like the pinstripe background of macOS, or....?
17:08.04deitarionaseigo: I like a subdued pinstrip without glossy buttons. Take a look at http://leary.csoft.net/~ssokolow/private/pics/sshot.png
17:09.04aseigowow the tabs on that theme are fugly
17:09.39deitarionI also seem to be developing a dislike of rounded controls.
17:09.40Chambers`works now, thanks guys
17:09.42aseigoscrollbar is nice, but the gradient is different than the combo box. hum. what a wierd theme
17:10.13deitarionAs for Firefox, ignore it as an example. I've been doing a lot of CSS hacking to squash things.
17:10.22aseigoah
17:11.02aseigoanyways... there's a couple of Qt themes that do pinstripe backgrounds, but i doubt you'd like the rest of it since it's osX-ish (round glossy controls)
17:11.15deitarionCan't stand glossy controls.
17:11.45aseigoin fact, lipstick, with all the toolbar lines turned off, is just about perfecxt for me
17:11.47deitarionThat's why a "Theme Qt using GTK+ 2.x" engine would be ideal. I already know how to hack my GTK+ 2.x themes by editing .gtkrc.mine
17:11.56aseigoa few subtle gradients but nothing pisses me off and not overly round
17:11.57deitarionGot a screenshot?
17:12.35deitarionI'm currently using the .NET imitator theme on Konqueror with the colors tweaked to come as close to matching my GTK+ theme as possible.
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17:13.42aseigohttp://bdd.ca/~aseigo/desktop.png
17:13.57deitarionNot found.
17:14.10aseigohttp://bddf.ca/~aseigo/desktop.png
17:14.15aseigoarg
17:14.32pinotreenot found
17:14.49deitarionNow it's an apache server as opposed to IIS, but still error 404
17:14.51aseigohold on... sorry
17:15.03aseigothere
17:15.53aseigothe icons will not be to your taste, but then you could always use korilla or something like tat
17:15.54aseigoer, that
17:16.15deitarionThat reminded me. Is there any way to specify different file associations for web and local files? I had to open Firefox because Konqueror is set to open images in GQView.
17:16.28aseigolipstick is essentially plastik with a bunch of added options so you can tweak it (via teh GUI no less)
17:16.45aseigodeitarion: unfortunately not in kde3. =/
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17:17.03aseigodeitarion: hopefully in 4 we'll make mimetypes data locality aware
17:17.54deitarion:) I recently got an extra 250GB so I shouldn't have too much trouble trying out KDE 4 in full.
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17:18.42deitarionOf course, being me (no desktop icons because they distract, much is done in an xterm+screen stack, etc.) I probably won't find the extra CPU consumption worth it.
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17:19.31deitarionAs for your theme, I do have to admit that plastik-based themes are definitely a trademark of KDE in terms of their feel.
17:19.42deitarionThey're incredibly numerous and popular.
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17:20.26nsmthis is related more to kde 4.0
17:20.42nsmcould we have 'Koolest Desktop Ever' as a one liner slogan
17:21.14deitarionOf course, I've found that KDE-Look seems to be filled with two types of icon themes. (subjectively) Too many bright colors, and almost no colors.
17:22.06deitarionAlso, KDE tends to work best with 32x32 icons (which is why I switched to it from WinXP when I was in my "I can't stand to waste screen space" phase)
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17:23.11deitarionGNOME tends to work best with 48x48 icons and comes with themes that use subdued colors (which is why I switched to it as my tolerance for bright colors waned)
17:25.40deitarion...not that I think the available KDE themes are ugly. It's just that I find there's a difference between "That's a beautiful desktop that I don't mind looking at" and "I can work on that every day without losing my concentration".
17:27.44deitarionOh, the earlier mention of mimetypes and file associations reminded me. I don't suppose there's any interest in doing Nautilus-style control of file associations (A tab in the preferences panel with a radio-button list) or in speeding up the time it takes to apply changes to the associations?
17:27.59oGALAXYodeitarion: i see it that way. i better work with a 'working desktop to get my work done' rather than 'working with a desktop that looks cool but is nothing more than a broken pile of junk'.
17:28.06oGALAXYoguess where my decision falls.
17:28.38deitarionoGALAXYo: My desktop works perfectly, of course, it's a custom-crafted mish-mash of KDE and GNOME components running on Xfce.
17:30.19deitarionI've been fiddling with computers since before I can remember and I'm a very fast learner, so KDE, GNOME, Xfce, and so on are roughly equal on that front. My decision was basically this...
17:30.41oGALAXYono they are not equal on the front.
17:30.57oGALAXYofiddling with computers is no justification to "understand" them
17:31.55deitarionTell me that when you've been reading computer magazines since age 5 and had practice self-educating by being home-schooled.
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17:32.20deitarionMy reasoning has been this:
17:32.57deitarion1) I lost patience with the KDE themes and didn't know enough to rectify the problem, GNOME proved to be just as easy to work with (from my perspective), so I moved.
17:33.30oGALAXYodeitarion: i am into computer business for over 25 years now. i started development of 8bit machines in asm languges and was first on the front with bulleting board systems, scene, demos, cracking, warez the times back. so please dont give me lessons about that. and i bet there are enough people in this channel besides us both who do even longer. but then you are still wrong KDE, GNOME and XFCE are not the same and are not the same way up.
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17:33.54oGALAXYothey are not even technological up to the same or similar (or closely same) area.
17:34.34deitarionI never said they were and I wasn't implying that you were in any way inferior. I'm simply saying that I learn quickly and found KDE, GNOME, and Xfce to be equally comfortable outside of the complaints I explicitly stated.
17:36.13SkrottooGALAXYo: which groups (demoscene) have you been involved in?
17:36.23oGALAXYomostly amiga ones.
17:36.41deitarionBesides, the reason I dumped GNOME for Xfce more recently was because it felt leaner than either KDE or GNOME and no other reason. I would have gone with Openbox but I was too lazy to twist it into a shape which fit my needs.
17:36.46SkrottoEver heard of ephidrena or spaceballs?
17:36.51oGALAXYoyes
17:37.10SkrottoCool :)
17:37.12oGALAXYospaceballs was quite legendary.
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17:37.29oGALAXYoephidrena was after my time (left amiga 1996 or so).
17:37.45Skrottoah
17:38.26oGALAXYoi was in groups like amaze, lsd, shining 8, dytec, mystic etc.
17:38.36SkrottoJust asking since I met coders from both groups on a pub the other day. hehe
17:38.43oGALAXYobut the list was quite long.
17:38.48oGALAXYoheh cool
17:39.05deitarionOh, one little question. Where does KDE store the location of the Trash folder and how do I re-create it if it turns out that I accidentally deleted it?
17:40.03deitarion...because I know I accidentally deleted it back when I was on Mandrake and I had no backup of the  dotfile which made it's icon change as expected.
17:40.04firephotodeitarion: it's in ~/.local/share/
17:40.06oGALAXYoyou learn fast.. go figure :)
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17:41.22deitarionMore like I wasn't thinking. "locate Trash" reveals it as .Trash which makes sense. I've got enough dotfiles in my home dir to fill the grand canyon so it would be easy to miss it.
17:41.43deitarionclarification: ~/.Trash
17:42.13firephotothat's not kde's trash unless you moved it (or the distro did)
17:42.35SkrottoI've got mine in ~/.local/share/Trash/ also
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17:43.30deitarionWeird. ~/.local/share/Trash does exist and is distinct from ~/.Trash, but files which I know I deleted with Konqueror were in ~/.Trash
17:43.42deitarionMust be a Gentoo thing.
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17:44.40fidel_hi
17:44.47Radenwhats server goes KDE use ?
17:44.48fidel_got a problem with kopete
17:45.11fidel_i only see parts of my contacts, even if they are online.
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17:45.48PhilRodfidel_: also ask in #kopete
17:45.48fidel_about 80 % of my contact are shown  100% offline , but they arent hehe
17:45.56fidel_oh, thx
17:45.58PhilRodRaden: ?!
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17:46.59deitarionHmm, does KDE have a Totem-like media player these days? (No skins, minimal interface, controls not a separate window)
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17:47.39deitarionI just use Gentoo split ebuilds to pull in Konqueror, FileLight, KShisen, and a few others so I wouldn't know.
17:47.50oGALAXYoyou learn fast.. go figure :)
17:47.55oGALAXYoapps-kde.org
17:48.02oGALAXYokaffeine or kmplayer
17:48.28oGALAXYohttp://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/
17:48.37oGALAXYoand. totem sucks.
17:48.48oGALAXYoit never ever worked one time correctly for me, always crashes and freezes.
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17:49.08deitarionIt used to do that for me so I used Xine. It seems to have those kinks worked out now.
17:49.18oGALAXYono it doesnt
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17:50.37deitarionHmm. I wonder why it's working for me then. (apps have this annoying habit of just working when someone asks me to come look at a problem)
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17:51.14deitarion...and I'm not kidding. It's become a subject of humor among my family that computers are "intimidated by my presense".
17:51.52catomannhi all!
17:51.58oGALAXYothere is only one - ONE - single gnome app that i do like..
17:52.01oGALAXYoits called glabels.
17:52.08oGALAXYoi havent found anything like it for kde.
17:52.28deitarionI just got that recently. I've been meaning to use it to whip up some business cards.
17:52.30catomannanyone up for lending a ear and help me out?
17:52.41oGALAXYo<PROTECTED>
17:52.45oGALAXYohelps you out :)
17:52.51catomannyeah yeah
17:52.53deitarioncatomann: Just ask your question; Don't ask to ask.
17:52.56PhilRoddeitarion: for minimal media player see "codeine"
17:54.10catomanni bought this new printer, brother mfc210c and connected it to my comp with suse 93, then i went 64bit with hardware and suse 10 and cannot get to use the printer anymor, though i followed the same procedure as last time..
17:54.31catomannwith cupswrapper and lpr
17:54.40PhilRodprobably best to ask in #suse or #cups (if you're using cups)
17:54.52catomannok, thanks a bunch :)
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17:56.35deitarionNice. As soon as I can hack up a theme I like, I'll definitely give those three a try.
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17:59.58anabainPhilrod, in "New Collection Name", what is new, the name ot he collection? :)
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18:01.03anabainPhilRod,  in "New Collection Name", what is new, the name ot he collection? :)
18:01.10anabainot/or
18:01.13tekhow can I config behaviour for one single konqueror window?
18:01.35PhilRodanabain: could be either
18:01.43anabain???
18:01.47anabainXDDD
18:01.54PhilRodeither the collection is new, or the name is new
18:02.04anabainok...
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18:02.13PhilRodI would guess that the collection is new, since otherwise it would be "rename"
18:02.30anabainyes, I think you're right
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18:07.10mgorbach228anyone using 3.5 with portage?
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18:14.51jamesotsHi - I just installed some SUSE updates on my machine including qt 3.3.5, and now I've lost all except the basic five KDE widget styles. Where does KDE look to find what styles are available?
18:15.29benJImanjamesots: several people have mentioned this with the supplementary update to 3.4.3
18:15.42benJImanjamesots: the 3.5 packages certainly arn't affected
18:16.37jamesotsbenjiman: I've had KDE 3.4.3 on for a while, but qt 3.3.5 seemed to break it.
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18:18.58Radenwhat file does KDE pull info for from graphics for each uyser ?
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18:20.42pontoRaden: What do you mean?
18:21.30RadenI cant login cause my gpahics config is messed up for 1 user somehow
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18:22.08jamesotsOk, so downgrading to qt-3.3.4 fixed it.
18:23.24PhilRodRaden: try logging into a different window manager as that user. Does it work?
18:23.55Radennope
18:23.59Radenwindow maker dont work either
18:24.12Radenand its just that 1 user
18:24.32pontoRaden:  When you try kde.  Does the login screen reappear after some seconds?
18:25.08PhilRodoh, if another WM doesn't work, then it's not a KDE problem. Ask in #yourdistro
18:25.23Radennormall yess if i switch sessions login it kicks back to previous session like right now im logged in under a diffrent user, if i switch users i login it goes black for 4 seconds return to user i switched sessions from
18:25.39Radenif there is no other active sessions goes back to graphical login after blakc screen
18:25.44Radenblack screen
18:25.49pontoRaden: is there something strange in     .xsession-errors of that user?
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18:26.26Radenwhere would that be located ?
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18:27.07woodefeci installed the suse upgrade to kde 3.5 rc1 and it... works!!!!!!!!
18:27.11woodefechoorayt
18:27.18pontoRaden: in the home directory of that user
18:28.20woodefecnow one annoyance: where to get rid of those popups, showing up even when the mouse crosses the panel (really redundadnt for me and get on my nerves)
18:28.38Radenponto, getting there
18:29.48Radenponto, nothing in .xsession-errors
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18:30.36Radenim ready to just wipe it al and start over this is nutz
18:31.17PhilRodwoodefec: control center -> desktop -> panel -> something -> icon mouse over effects
18:31.20PhilRodor something like that
18:32.41agenteoPhilRod, today I've finished my KDEiing good bye
18:33.58woodefecPhilRod : thx, guess need restart X to make it
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18:36.38woodefecis there sthing wrong with the release candidate at all? how do i make it bug me?
18:37.37woodefeci want to see the crash
18:38.13woodefeci've trained it through so far and the way i use it its going perfect
18:38.24woodefecwhere's the catch?
18:38.28woodefeccommon
18:39.21annmahmmm
18:39.30annmadid you start with a new user?
18:39.31manuliteQuick question, i can't seem to find where you set a background image in Konqueror File Browsing, does anyone know?
18:39.58woodefecannma : no, i upgraded from kde 3.4.3 and started with old user
18:40.09annmawoodefec: a good thing for test is a new user
18:40.22annmamanulite: View menu -> configure background
18:40.22woodefecis this the reason for my "problem"?
18:40.32annmawhat is your problem?
18:40.37annmaI just came back
18:40.43woodefecthat there is no problem ;)
18:40.53woodefecand its RC
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18:41.00woodefecso i want a problem,
18:41.01annmathere are problems
18:41.05woodefecwhere?
18:41.11annmathe one I knew were fixed
18:41.19woodefec:)
18:41.26woodefecgood job !
18:41.39manuliteannma: great, thanks, was busy looking in all the wrong places ;)
18:41.39annmaI am sure you can report some typos and outdated docs
18:41.50woodefecthank you for that, its really shiny
18:41.56annmacool
18:42.19woodefecoh, that is obvious, i have docs for 3.4 i think for some parts of it
18:42.26woodefecbut who cares?
18:42.29mgorbach228konqueror still has tons of problems
18:42.39annmatons, well, dont' exagerate
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18:42.56annmait has less problems than IE considering
18:43.04annmano spyware installation
18:43.17annmabehind your back
18:43.19woodefeclol
18:43.23woodefechaahah
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18:43.31woodefecmaybe there is spyware
18:43.33annmamy son PC is a nightmare
18:43.33woodefecwho knows
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18:43.42woodefec;)
18:43.51annmanothig compared to windows
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18:44.04annmaout of 3 machines, 2 are not working properly here
18:44.33Julianyushi
18:44.42annmaok, I'm gone for a while
18:45.38frbhow can I change the default size of a konq window?
18:46.02frbevery time I start I have to resize it back to 1024 from some silly default of 600 or something
18:46.44bsstephfrb: save the profile
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18:59.41ratgebhi
18:59.54ratgebi have a question about kde packages
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19:00.03ratgebin debian
19:00.15ratgebin what package is k3b?
19:00.28Mouseyapt-get -t sid install k3b
19:00.38ratgebdebian doesn't have k3b package
19:00.52ratgebi use debian testing
19:01.00Mouseynot all three?
19:01.37ratgeband there aren't k3b package
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19:01.47Mouseyuh
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19:02.06Mouseyit's in debian man
19:02.11Mouseyyou don't have enough sources listed
19:02.30ratgebi try three sources
19:02.46ratgebftp.de.debian.org
19:02.49ratgebftp.fr.debian.org
19:02.52Mouseywait
19:02.54ratgebftp.debian.org
19:02.57Mouseythose aren't sources, those are mirrors
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19:03.21ratgebmirrors
19:03.27Mouseysources stable[main,contrib,non-free], testing[main,contrib,non-free],unstable[main,contrib,non-free]
19:03.40ratgebtesting
19:03.45ratgebI use
19:03.52Mouseyit's in unstable/main
19:03.54Mouseywell that's why
19:04.00Mouseyyou SHOULD HAVE all three
19:04.31Mouseystable has the most packages, testing doesn't have as many as stable but they're more up to date, and unstable doesn't have as many as testing, but they're really really up to date
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19:07.01Mouseyhe leaves!
19:07.01Mouseygrr
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19:07.58Julianyusanyone knows if it is possible to have kuickshow without gtk 1.2?
19:08.31oGALAXYoJulianyus: use gwenview
19:08.38KomiaPoikabuild it with gtk2
19:08.45KomiaPoikayeah, gwenview is the shit
19:10.00Julianyuswhen i try to build imlib 1.9 it tells that want gtk 1.2 (Gentoo)
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19:29.48aikiehow do I make a kde program that hasn't got a main window and isn't a kicker applet in kdevelop?
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19:34.38srednaCreate a window that is not a KMainWindow and set that as the application mainwindow
19:34.41srednaI think
19:34.58srednaI'd have thought that kdevelop had a template for a dialog app
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19:38.36anabainPhilRod, in "Add camera provided date and time", who is the provider, the camera?
19:39.14srednaanabain: Sorry for answering, but I know: It's taken from the EXIF data in the picture ;)
19:40.27anabainyou mean then that is "the camera" (actually, EXIF specification) that provides the info, ok?
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19:40.41anabain(I'm translating digiKam), sredna
19:40.58srednaanabain: Well, the camera stores the data in the image when it's taken
19:41.22srednaIt's still in the image after it's imported
19:41.45anabainand then it's copied to the pc
19:42.12anabainThen the sentece asks for getting this info from the camera
19:42.21anabainsentece/sentence
19:43.14srednaYes
19:43.28srednaI know, I use digikam myself :-)
19:43.34anabainthat is, from the EXIF data that every image in the camera has
19:43.38anabainok, thanks
19:43.40aikieI don't need any window it should only show one widget
19:43.46aikieor is that impossible?
19:43.59srednaaikie: Well, you can't display a widget without a window
19:44.15srednaIt may not have a window frame, but it's still a window
19:44.24dmitridoes anyone know what i have to edit to be able to see loadig processes during a start up?
19:45.05aikieI want to display such osd thing as amarok has, but I don't like seeing a new window just with nothing in it
19:46.21srednaaikie: Afaik OSD is achieved by using a window with transperant background, and then painting the text on that
19:46.30srednaCould be a QLabel
19:46.49aikieso I can make that osd thing the main window?
19:46.50srednaWith the widgetflags set so that it has no decoration
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19:51.40linuxgangsteranyone here interested in seeing Linuxgangster.org's latest mascot backgrounds? We just finished a Female Linux Penguin
19:52.37linuxgangsterhehe
19:52.42canllaithI hope not.
19:52.55canllaithThat would border on the scariness of furry pr0n *shudder*
19:53.14linuxgangsterlol
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19:53.24linuxgangstershe is wearing revealing clothes ;)
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19:55.21srednaEvenin' canllaith :)
19:55.49_marcinjest tam ktoś???????????
19:55.52srednaOr morning
19:55.59wizard123jest, a co?
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19:56.07wizard123:P
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19:57.03thachi i have a problem building the svn kdepim-3.5
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19:58.04thachis is the command causing this: ../../kode/kxml_compiler/kxml_compiler --custom-parser /home/tobbe/BUILD/kdepim-3.5.0/kresourses/featureplan/kde-features.rng
19:58.31thacand it breaks with: lt-xml_compiler: symbol lookup error: lt-xml_compiler: undefined symbol: _ZN4K0DE8FunctionC1...
19:58.47Mouseyhehe
19:58.50Mouseypenguin lips
19:58.59_marcinmówi tu ktoś po polsku?????
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19:59.13wizard123ja, ale to anglojezyczny kanal.
19:59.29_marcina jak znaleść polskojęzyczny?????
19:59.40srednaPlease
19:59.44linuxgangsteryou like the pic mousey?
19:59.52Mouseyits funny
19:59.57linuxgangstermousey: did you check out the other backgrounds?
20:00.24Mouseyi will
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20:00.44linuxgangstermousey: excellent, there are some pretty good ones in there
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20:02.38heinsredna: 80 votes already for the bug ..
20:02.48sredna:)
20:03.30heinsredna: I wonder if there's a chance to get it into a 3.5.x release (the simple version - just saving the state accross empty sessions)
20:03.51srednahein: None, we have a feature freeze
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20:04.15srednahein: I can't change it for any release untill 4.0
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20:04.22heinsredna: Would that be a feature, though? Sounds like a bugfix to me ;)
20:04.23bweghis there a way to change the color of events in KOrganizer?
20:04.45srednahein: Uhm, maybe so. Maybe in a bugfix release
20:04.56srednabwegh: Try the configure dialog ;)
20:05.11heinsredna: yup - that's why I said 3.5.x, to indicate point-level releases beyond 3.5 :)
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20:05.21srednaSure :)
20:05.39heinWho knows, maybe I'll even whip up a patch ... I wonder if it's still possible to write something that applies cleanly against 3.5 and trunk
20:05.45bweghsredna: well, i found that one, but i mean eg a diffrent color for each category
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20:06.38bweghsredna: forget it ... who has eyes should use them ;)
20:06.43blackvdhave a prob with my res on my login screen its set too high,how can I change it?
20:06.45srednahein: In some areas, config handling is probably not too bad
20:07.09heingood good
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20:08.23srednabwegh: Since a long time, the korganizer config dialog contains a 'colors' module that lets you set colors pr category
20:10.27linuxgangsterif anyone else is interested in the new backgrounds we did go to http://linuxgangster.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&file=viewcategory&cid=1 , leave comments if you like
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20:25.58vaxohow can i do an autosort of desktop icons at kde startup?
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20:31.08rrichiehi all
20:32.05rrichiei'm got some problem to connect to my X server with kdm using xdmcp. Under my client, it only display a blank X window and nothing happen
20:32.10rrichiecan anyone help me?
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20:56.07sam^hi
20:56.14yt173hello
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20:56.58yt173has anyone here had problems running kile?
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20:57.42elvirolohi
20:57.45yt173hi
20:57.48elvirolodoes kde 3.5 rely on autofs ?
20:58.06yt173don't know
20:58.15yt173i've been trying to ask questions too
20:58.21elvirolo:-/
20:58.22yt173but we may be the only live ones here
20:58.31yt173sorry
20:58.33elvirolowe probably are
20:58.42elvirolonp :)
20:58.48yt173let me ask you then :)
20:58.54elviroloplease do
20:58.55yt173have you ever run kile?
20:59.00elviroloyes
20:59.09yt173have you ever had strange crashes?
20:59.19yt173in the middle of editing a formula, say
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20:59.26yt173I can't track this
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20:59.31yt173no clue
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20:59.31elvirolono, but then i haven't used it much
20:59.39yt173neither have I
20:59.39elvirolowhat's your distro?
20:59.44yt173ubuntu
20:59.52elvirolobreezy ?
20:59.54PhilRodelvirolo: I've never heard of autofs, and kde 3.5 runs fine here, so I assume the answer is no :-)
20:59.56yt173yep
21:00.03elviroloPhilRod: ok thanks :-D
21:00.10elvirolohum
21:00.25elviroloi'm running sid here, so i can't really tell
21:00.30yt173ok
21:00.35yt173was worth a try :)
21:00.36elviroloyou should go over to #kubuntu and ask
21:00.44elviroloor maybe #kubuntu-devel
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21:00.52yt173true
21:01.04yt173I'll open another win there
21:01.37strawyt173: first thing to try is reproducing the crash
21:02.26yt173that's easy
21:02.34yt173at will
21:03.06yt173I'm writing a paper
21:03.14yt173and every time I edit it now
21:03.16yt173it crashes
21:03.23yt173I've had to revert to emacs
21:03.50strawthat sucks
21:03.59yt173yeah
21:04.07yt173not that emacs isn't good
21:04.16yt173but kile is better for this
21:04.19yt173so I'd like to use it
21:04.27strawkile is part of..?
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21:04.54yt173kile is a latex editor for kde
21:05.42strawit's from koffice, or is it stand alone app?
21:05.54yt173stand alone, I think
21:05.57yt173hard to say
21:06.04yt173I installed it separately in ubuntu
21:06.07yt173which is gnome based
21:06.21yt173though I've followed everyone's howtos
21:06.49strawah, it's in extragear
21:07.11yt173ok
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21:11.21PhilRodyt173: you could try moving the kile config files. Perhaps it's a problem with them
21:11.35yt173ok
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21:11.39yt173can't do it now
21:11.41PhilRodthey'll be ~/.kde/share/config/kilerc and ~/.kde/share/apps/kile
21:11.49yt173that's in the office machine
21:11.55yt173but I'll do it
21:12.00yt173I certainly haven't tried that
21:12.32yt173I was just wondering if this is a freakish bug
21:12.51strawdo you have the document handy?
21:12.54yt173if nobody else has seen it, there's probably a glitch somewhere
21:13.07yt173no
21:13.19yt173the file is out of reach
21:13.20PhilRodcould be. If it's reproducible, you can paste the backtrace into a bug report that you submit at bugs.kde.org
21:13.47yt173this is going to be painful if it is
21:14.04yt173I'm not sure the co-authors would like to publish a paper to a bug report :)
21:14.13strawoh, darn. yt173, i was going to try to get a backtrace for you
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21:14.36yt173yeah
21:14.48yt173I haven't had time to try tofind the kernel of the problem
21:14.59yt173I know it is reproducible in the paper
21:15.03yt173but I had no time to play
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21:15.21yt173I tried obvious htings
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21:15.30yt173are there packages missing,
21:15.38yt173are the main files where they should be
21:15.45yt173but it didn't occur to check config
21:15.56yt173thanks for the help anyway
21:16.02yt173I appreciate it
21:16.50yt173see you guys out there
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21:22.53tchinokde not start automatical by debian
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21:25.41frbdoes anyone ever take webcore and diff it against khtml?
21:25.49canllaithIt would be a huge diff.
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21:26.51frbI thought the big diff would be in KWQ, and that the KHTML diffs might be useufl
21:28.09annmauseful for?
21:28.17oGALAXYofrb: the problem is that the khtml developers dont want to touch the webcore stuff because webcore contains a lot of "hacks" and "workarounds" of things.
21:28.31frbwell, I see complaints that "Apple took KHTML and didn't return it to the community"
21:28.34oGALAXYofrb: but then khtml2 is in the works in kdenonbeta for quite some time now.
21:28.59frbbut if it's all LGPL, that can't be true
21:30.23oGALAXYoyou probably only saw the title but havent read the real context written by zack rusin.
21:30.27annmafrb: where do you see complaints?
21:30.44frbjust random places when I do web searches
21:30.58annmawell you can find anything on the web and its contrary
21:31.11oGALAXYofrb: it was not about "returning" it was about throwing huge leaps of 4mb patches out without feedback. and yes i do understand the khtml developers somehow.
21:31.13annmathetruth is that the diff were difficult to implement
21:31.17hydrogenyou can find anything in the library also :)
21:31.19strawwasn't there some complaining, the apple did some code drops
21:31.20annmaand had to be tested
21:31.26strawthen, even
21:31.38oGALAXYo4mb tarball diffs are anything else than helpful.
21:31.41strawand more complaining
21:32.09frbk, I'll just ignore those people and inflict the wrath of something evil on the ones that argue
21:32.17strawthen some bits went in... heck i can't recall
21:32.24Mouseyanyone know if Konversation will work over SOCKS proxy?
21:32.31Mouseyi'd like to retire xchatg
21:32.32Mousey-g
21:33.02frbMousey: socks 4 or socks 5?
21:33.07Mouseyeither
21:33.25PhilRodMousey: I think there might be a #konversation channel where they'll know
21:33.33Mouseynice
21:33.35annmafrb: however you can join the khtml team!
21:33.39frbMousey: kde itself has socks proxy support
21:33.55frbMousey: control-center -> Internet -> Proxy
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21:34.10Mouseyfrb: there's no SOCKS entry, just http, ftp, etc
21:34.19frbSOCKS is a separate tab
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21:34.43Mouseyyes, that's it, and points to a library
21:34.54Mouseybut i can't tell it to use localhost:12345
21:34.56Mouseyfor example
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21:36.57Mouseyit does in gnome, but there are too many disadvantages to using gnome. =(
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21:38.18frbI've never actually used a socks proxy
21:38.24Mouseynot even ssh?
21:38.26Mouseyit's handy
21:38.35Mouseychanged how i do everything on the net
21:40.51frbnope, I just assume everything is insecure, and then act accordingly
21:41.38annmaoh, never meet me then I am insucurity in person
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21:41.50Mouseyssh -D 12345 your.house.computer, then set your application [mozilla, xchat, psi, whatever] to use proxy localhost:12345 to make connections, then all connections and traffic those programs generate are tunneled thru to your.house.computer before going to the net
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21:46.47bakfupaiIs this where you go if you want to report a bug/get support?
21:47.02annmasupport: yes
21:47.05annmabug: no
21:47.12annmabug is at bugs.kde.org
21:47.42bakfupaiOkay, I'm not sure if it's a bug so lets start here.
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21:48.10bakfupaiI get an error when compiling k3b 0.12.2.
21:48.19annmawhat kdelibs version?
21:48.39bakfupai3.4.2
21:48.56annmawhere did you get your k3b?
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21:49.46bakfupaiI'm using sourcemage (don't know if you've heard about it) so it's the latest stable version in the packet system.
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21:50.19bakfupai/usr/bin/meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 ./index.docbook
21:50.19bakfupai/bin/sh: line 1: 19092 Segmenteringsfel        /usr/bin/meinproc --check --cache
21:50.47hydrogensegfault would that be?
21:50.54bakfupaiYes
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21:51.15annmais it the first thing you compile?
21:51.23hydrogentry running the command manually
21:51.28hydrogenit may be a problem with meinproc
21:51.33hydrogentry just running /usr/bin/meinproc
21:51.43annmai.e did meinproc work before?
21:52.22bakfupaiannma, no, it's not the first thing I compile.
21:52.33bakfupaiEntire distro is source-based.
21:52.47bakfupaijust running meinproc doesn't give me segfault-
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21:52.49bakfupai*.
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21:53.27hydrogenhmm
21:53.44annmaso your package k3b is bad
21:53.53annmamaybe not fitted for that kdelibs version
21:53.57annmaask sourcemage
21:53.59hydrogensounds like its a distro fault
21:54.02annmayes
21:54.12aikie_where can I find what classes I can use in KDE apps
21:54.25annmakde API online doc
21:54.31annmadeveloper.kde.org aikie_
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21:54.54aikie_thanks
21:55.00bakfupaiI've googled it and seen tons of people complain about the problem.
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21:56.06bakfupaiMaybe they're using exactly my distro, but it doesn't seem all that likely.
21:57.05annmayes?
21:57.20annmabakfupai: such a link which is not sourcemage please?
22:01.07bakfupaihttp://kdenews.org/1036463135/1036615343/
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22:02.15annmabakfupai: hm, nothing more recent???
22:02.21annmathisis very old!
22:03.02bakfupaihttp://www.google.se/search?hs=4CW&hl=sv&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=%22%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fmeinproc+--check+--cache+index.cache.bz2+.%2Findex.docbook%22+%22segmentation+fault%22&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
22:03.12annmabakfupai: simpler
22:03.21annmago to k3b website
22:03.26annmalook at the version number
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22:03.52annmafrom what I see, k3b 0.12.3 is for kde 3.2
22:04.06annma0.12.7 I mean
22:04.41annmaso your k3b might be too old for such a meinproc version
22:04.46aikie_can anyone help me with this little kde app, it should display an osd thing like in amarok but it isn't working corectly: http://pieterv.free.fr/testosd.tar.bz2
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22:06.08aikie_it only shows the osd (int middle top) for on blimp
22:06.14aikie_and then its done
22:06.43bakfupaiannma, maybe. so you think maybe I should install the latest version from k3b.org?
22:06.51annmaaikie_: where idd you get that app?
22:06.59annmabakfupai: ask your distro
22:07.14annmabakfupai: I compile from kde sources and I never got any meinproc segfault
22:07.28bakfupaiThey don't have the problems.
22:07.32annmabakfupai: you have only 1 kde version on your system?
22:07.45bakfupaiNo duplicates, no.
22:07.55annma?
22:08.20bakfupaiOr what do you mean?
22:08.26aikie_mad it partially myself
22:08.30annmano duplicates?
22:08.49annmaaikie_: you expect people to install it to fix it/
22:09.00bakfupaiI don't have kdelibs in two different places if that's what you mean.
22:09.05annmabakfupai: do you have several kde sersions on your system is my question
22:09.22aikie_yes because I have like almost zero experience with kde qt and C++
22:09.37annmameinproc --version
22:09.42annmapaste output bakfupai
22:09.57annmaaikie_: ask in #amarok maybe then
22:10.06bakfupaiannma, root@paul:/usr/src/k3b-0.12.2# meinproc --version
22:10.06bakfupaiQt: 3.3.4
22:10.06bakfupaiKDE: 3.4.2
22:10.06bakfupaiXML-Translator: $Revision: 389330 $
22:10.18annmaroot?
22:10.39bakfupaiwhat?
22:10.52annma<PROTECTED>
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22:11.06annmasourcemage tells you to make as root?
22:11.28bakfupaiNope. Just happened to have su'd on that term.
22:11.58annmaas your user then redo it
22:12.07annmaand do make as your user, not as root
22:13.10annmathere are very few recent posts on sourcemage website
22:14.24bakfupaibakfupai@paul:/usr/src/k3b-0.12.2$ make
22:14.24bakfupaimake  all-recursive
22:14.24bakfupaimake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/k3b-0.12.2'
22:14.24bakfupaiMaking all in doc
22:14.24bakfupaimake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/k3b-0.12.2/doc'
22:14.25bakfupai/usr/bin/meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 ./index.docbook
22:14.27bakfupai*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x083937d0 ***
22:14.29bakfupai/bin/sh: line 1: 19653 Avbruten (SIGABRT)      /usr/bin/meinproc --check --cache
22:14.32bakfupai<PROTECTED>
22:14.34bakfupaimake[2]: *** [index.cache.bz2] Fel 134
22:14.38bakfupaimake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/k3b-0.12.2/doc'
22:14.40bakfupaimake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fel 1
22:14.42bakfupaimake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/k3b-0.12.2'
22:14.44bakfupaimake: *** [all] Fel 2
22:14.46bakfupaiNew fault...
22:14.48annmastop that
22:15.03Tm_Thi annma &co o/
22:15.05annmawhy do you paste all that?
22:15.12annmanext time you'll be kicked
22:15.19bakfupaiI'm sorry.
22:15.24annmathere pastebin for stuff like that
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22:15.38r0bnyc|kanotixHello
22:15.46r0bnyc|kanotixhow do i remove some karamba themes?
22:15.49annmaask your distro for support
22:15.55annmabakfupai: ^^
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22:16.46abelhola
22:17.27abelhay alguien ahí ?
22:17.43annmaenglish only here please
22:17.49abelah ok
22:17.54annma:)
22:18.05abelit's my first time
22:18.53annmaok, you can ask any kde question
22:19.10abelthanks
22:19.20abeli'm trying to configure korn
22:19.57abelbut it is not possible to verify my yahoo mail
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22:21.27bakfupaiannma, i'm not here to make trouble if that's what you think. i just want some help and since noone in my channel have had the same problem as me this was the only way to go.
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22:21.52bakfupaiif you're absolutely sure it's distro-related i will go and ask around some more...
22:21.56annmawell if meinproc works elsewhere then your k3b ackage is bad
22:22.06annmaor ill fitted
22:22.11annmause make -k
22:22.25annmato bypass the error, you won't have the k3b handbook
22:22.44annmaprobably you might have other errors as well though
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22:23.00annmaso pipe the make output I a file to look at it
22:23.06annmaso pipe the make output in a file to look at it
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22:46.31rrichiehi all
22:47.02rrichieis it possible to connect to a distant existing X session (without having to log in) ?
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23:00.58_alessandrociao a tutti
23:01.18_alessandroc'è qualche italiano?
23:01.29pinotree_alessandro: only enlish here, please
23:01.42_alessandrook excuse me
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23:21.09anabaindoes anybody use Kbabel?
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23:31.23TD-Linuxhello... how do I remove a screensaver from KDE?
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23:32.10TD-Linuxwhat directory does kde reside in?
23:33.35hydrogen`kde config --prefix`
23:35.01TD-Linuxwhat directory do I execute that in?
23:35.38MrPingouinanywhere
23:35.51TD-Linuxmy FC3 system can't find 'kde'
23:36.37frbTD-Linux: kde-config
23:36.41frbhydrogen made a typo
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23:37.57hydrogenI did?
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23:38.05hydrogenya I did
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23:44.50CHodappI just did something by accident and made the menu disappear in KMix, how do I make it reappear?
23:45.37strawctrl-m
23:46.02CHodappthanks
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23:52.08kickenGot a question about konqueror.  It seems to more or less ignore file associations.  Like, *.h is added to be a C Header File, but if I create a new text file, and name it whatever.h it shows up as file type 'Empty Document'.  Any idea why?
23:52.38kickenI would have figured type matching based on file name extension would have been one of the easier things to do and get working correctly.
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