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`00:00.52`	`kinection`	`eisregen: i think i figured it out`
`00:01.09`	`kinection`	`it was just the export thing... although, unlike what the faq says, you aren't supposed to export it while in kde`
`00:01.34`	`kinection`	`i did it outside of x and then kbuildsycoca and i think it works now`
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`00:03.26`	`AssociateX`	`glxgears`
`00:03.26`	`AssociateX`	`Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"`
`00:03.45`	`AssociateX`	`canllaith, are you there?`
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`00:05.21`	`_Roey`	`how does on pronounce "kbuildsycoca" ?`
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`00:08.37`	`AssociateX`	`_Roey, good question`
`00:08.48`	`straw`	`why, just like it sounds, _Roey ;)`
`00:09.00`	`_Roey`	`kay-build-sigh-coke-ah?`
`00:09.08`	`eisregen`	`lol`
`00:09.13`	`AssociateX`	`haha`
`00:09.23`	`_Roey`	`aww you guys are laughing at me :(`
`00:09.25`	`straw`	`good enough for me :)`
`00:09.37`	`_Roey`	`what does it even mean??`
`00:09.41`	`AssociateX`	`I go through this my self all the time, I wonder how to say all the things that I type every day`
`00:09.52`	`straw`	`Rebuilds the system configuration cache.`
`00:10.17`	`_Roey`	`archeologists a thousand years from now will think that KSycoca is a diety and that we rebuild Him whenever we sense something amiss in our lives.`
`00:10.29`	`straw`	`probably read ~/.kde and whatnot and caches it`
`00:10.29`	`_Roey`	`straw: yeah but what does it stand for ;)`
`00:10.55`	`straw`	`heheh, no idea`
`00:10.56`	`_Roey`	`kbuildsystemcoherencycache?`
`00:11.00`	`_Roey`	`i'd like to see that in German.`
`00:12.02`	`_Roey`	`aseigo: hi, do you know what kbuildsycoca stands for, and how to pronounce it?`
`00:12.14`	`_Roey`	`<gregday> _Roey: KDE Build System Configuration Cache`
`00:12.14`	`annma`	`_Roey: see in #kde-devel`
`00:12.17`	`_Roey`	`yes :)`
`00:13.50`	`_Roey`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:13.50`	`_Roey`	`<gregday> _Roey: k build sih-co-cuh ?`
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`00:13.53`	`_Roey`	`awesome.`
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`00:20.50`	`ClayG`	`has anyone gotten k9copy installed?`
`00:21.25`	`MrRagga`	`hi, i just install kde 3.5 but i can't find the option to include all workspaces using ALT+TAB, is it gone?`
`00:22.40`	`annma`	`MrRagga: no, it's tehre`
`00:22.59`	`annma`	`maybe you overwrote it in global shortcut, look in KCntrrol`
`00:23.06`	`MrRagga`	`annma: where, am i blind? i've gone through all settings in kcontrol twice ;)`
`00:23.14`	`annma`	`ClayG: k9copy?`
`00:23.24`	`annma`	`MrRagga: what does alt+tab do then?`
`00:23.38`	`MrRagga`	`just switch between apps on my current workspace`
`00:23.45`	`ClayG`	`annma supposed to be the nix version of dvdshrink`
`00:23.48`	`MrRagga`	`but i would like to include all`
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`00:24.03`	`annma`	`ClayG: never heard of it`
`00:24.04`	`ClayG`	`copies dvd's that are larger than ~5g and makes them fit one standard dvd`
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`00:24.14`	`annma`	`but I dont' have a dvd burner!`
`00:24.20`	`ClayG`	`I can't seem to "make" it, and get an error when I ./configure`
`00:24.29`	`annma`	`MrRagga: it's the first shortcut`
`00:24.40`	`annma`	`Work Through Windows Alt - Tab`
`00:24.43`	`MrRagga`	`Description:`
`00:24.43`	`MrRagga`	`k9copy is a DVD backup utility which allow the copy of one or more titles from a DVD9 to a DVD5.`
`00:25.07`	`annma`	`in Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard shortcuts`
`00:25.14`	`MrRagga`	`annma: yes, shortcut is working but only for apps on the current workspace`
`00:25.20`	`MrRagga`	`not from others`
`00:25.59`	`annma`	`it works here for all desktops`
`00:26.17`	`annma`	`try anew user maybe`
`00:26.19`	`MrRagga`	`kde 3.5 ?`
`00:26.19`	`lippel`	`ClayG: i used k9copy`
`00:26.26`	`annma`	`yes, svn kde`
`00:26.28`	`lippel`	`ClayG: you might miss some cli tools`
`00:26.33`	`MrRagga`	`i deleted .kde before installing kde 3.5`
`00:26.44`	`lippel`	`ClayG: there are some checks missing IIRC`
`00:26.59`	`MrRagga`	`annma: there was an option for this before but i can't find it any more`
`00:27.00`	`annma`	`MrRagga: wow, you can loose your mail like that`
`00:27.07`	`annma`	`what option?`
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`00:27.17`	`MrRagga`	`annma: no i am using thunderbird`
`00:27.23`	`lippel`	`ClayG: paste the error to the paste bin (see topic)`
`00:27.49`	`annma`	`what option? if it works on 1 desktop I don't see why it does not on others`
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`00:28.03`	`MrRagga`	`annma: can't remember the exact words, but something like "Include all workspaces" and it was supposed to work for ALT+TAB`
`00:28.15`	`MrRagga`	`annma: no, you still don't get me`
`00:28.22`	`MrRagga`	`annma: let me explain`
`00:28.36`	`ClayG`	`give me one moment`
`00:28.53`	`ClayG`	`oh lippel sorry`
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`00:29.14`	`ClayG`	`lippel i tried installing everything i needed, I get one error the last line when i ./configure`
`00:29.19`	`ClayG`	`says something about the headers`
`00:29.32`	`MrRagga`	`annma: i have 14 desktops, 1st konsole, 2nd xchat, 3rd psi etc.... rather then to switch the applications using STRG+F1 and so on i would like to get all opened apps available when i use ALT+TAB, but it shows the apps of the current desktop only`
`00:30.28`	`firephoto`	`doesn't alt-tab only switch between the apps displayed on the visible taskbar?`
`00:30.34`	`lippel`	`ClayG: do yo`
`00:30.41`	`annma`	`you want to see all your apps on your 14 desktop with alt-tab`
`00:30.46`	`MrRagga`	`yes`
`00:30.46`	`lippel`	`ClayG: ...u have devel packages installed?`
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`00:31.01`	`doleyb`	`kcontrol, Window Behavior, Traverse windows on all desktops`
`00:31.06`	`MrRagga`	`annma: and there was an option for this before in kcontrol but i can't find it`
`00:31.15`	`annma`	`maybe it's gone`
`00:31.22`	`annma`	`I would not know that, I never do that`
`00:31.30`	`lippel`	`ClayG: http://rafb.net/paste , paste the error there`
`00:31.32`	`ClayG`	`i beleive so`
`00:31.35`	`ClayG`	`I'm pasting right now`
`00:31.37`	`MrRagga`	`doleyb: coool thanks`
`00:31.38`	`MrRagga`	`;)`
`00:31.39`	`MrRagga`	`:D`
`00:32.03`	`ClayG`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/45xma722.nln.html`
`00:33.00`	`lippel`	`ClayG: you need kdelibs-devel`
`00:33.12`	`lippel`	`or similar`
`00:33.23`	`ClayG`	`ok lemme check synaptic`
`00:33.34`	`ClayG`	`I tried apt-get'ing it but must be missing a ver number or something`
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`00:34.50`	`MrRagga`	`annma: thanks for your help`
`00:35.09`	`annma`	`I was looking but canot make sense of some options`
`00:35.15`	`annma`	`Windows + Desktop`
`00:37.16`	`ClayG`	`lippel, when trying to grab kdelibs (kdelibs4-dev) i got this`
`00:37.16`	`ClayG`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/gPUeGk74.nln.html`
`00:38.34`	`grepper`	`ClayG: you are on debian testing ?`
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`00:41.29`	`ClayG`	`debian testing?`
`00:41.32`	`ClayG`	`I'm using ubuntu`
`00:41.36`	`grepper`	`ok`
`00:41.37`	`ClayG`	`lippel i get this`
`00:41.38`	`ClayG`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/EgPz1156.nln.html`
`00:41.54`	`grepper`	`there is another transition underway atm, dunno about ubuntu`
`00:42.27`	`lippel`	`is that some development snapshot?`
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`00:56.20`	`nefertum`	`it's possible to view flash animations in kde?`
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`00:56.57`	`shlsll`	`where can i get hte serial number for google earth pro?`
`00:57.18`	`gregday`	`hahahaa`
`00:57.22`	`gregday`	`shlsll: are you serious?`
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`00:57.41`	`annma`	`does it work on linux, shlsll ?`
`00:58.09`	`kantlivelong`	`would anyone mind checking my Xorg.conf? i have 1 that works w/ both monitors but no opengl support on my master and another that i wrote which crashes my sys`
`00:58.26`	`shlsll`	`hahha im serious`
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`00:58.36`	`shlsll`	`i dont even know what this channel is`
`00:58.55`	`Peaker`	`Hey. I just noticed by accident, that if I use /-search in konqueror.. it finds within hidden passwords! heh`
`00:58.57`	`AssociateX`	`dang it`
`00:59.10`	`Peaker`	`I really doubt this is intended, as the **** text is supposed to be hidden..`
`00:59.17`	`AssociateX`	`transparentcies don't work anymore`
`00:59.38`	`annma`	`shlsll: so please go elsewhere`
`00:59.46`	`Peaker`	`well, gotta go`
`01:00.08`	`shlsll`	`well can u guyz at least show me to right direction?`
`01:00.49`	`gregday`	`shlsll: #serialz`
`01:01.08`	`shlsll`	`none`
`01:01.10`	`shlsll`	`server?`
`01:01.16`	`gregday`	`Dear God`
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`01:01.38`	`gregday`	`shlsll: irc.bsa.org`
`01:01.44`	`straw`	`heheh`
`01:02.08`	`shlsll`	`k imma leave`
`01:02.11`	`shlsll`	`bye guyz`
`01:02.13`	`shlsll`	`love you`
`01:02.18`	`straw`	`kthxbye`
`01:02.19`	`shlsll`	`kiss kiss?`
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`01:05.37`	`_knoppix`	`hello apokryphos`
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`01:48.08`	`Octane`	`er Drake) Flight CD 1`
`01:48.27`	`Octane`	`anyone know what package, if any, i need in order to have k3b be able to burn audio cd's?`
`01:48.49`	`annma`	`what diestro?`
`01:48.53`	`annma`	`distro`
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`01:50.12`	`annma`	`Octane: your distro?`
`01:50.24`	`Octane`	`ubuntu.i think i foudn the package`
`01:51.02`	`annma`	`if you want to burn frm ogg you need ogg tools`
`01:51.08`	`annma`	`mp3 support as well`
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`01:56.17`	`Oleg_`	`http://boards.soapcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?f=36`
`01:56.25`	`Oleg_`	`I wanna load that page, but`
`01:56.40`	`Oleg_`	`it says "unable to add cookies"`
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`01:56.52`	`Oleg_`	`"header already sent"`
`01:57.14`	`Oleg_`	`that page sometimes loads what's on it, sometimes not`
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`02:02.27`	`gregday`	`uh`
`02:02.30`	`gregday`	`slutty19f`
`02:03.01`	`Oleg_`	`from harvard`
`02:03.35`	`gregday`	`aye`
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`02:06.41`	`hagabaka`	`how do I start kde without loading session with a command line?`
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`02:17.55`	`Oleg_`	`help!`
`02:17.58`	`Oleg_`	`http://boards.soapcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?f=36`
`02:18.08`	`Oleg_`	`does this page load correctly for you?`
`02:18.28`	`epyon9283`	`no`
`02:19.08`	`Oleg_`	`what about firefox? does it load that page?`
`02:20.01`	`epyon9283`	`nope`
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`02:46.33`	`Gentle_`	`does konqueror have any kind of cache?`
`02:46.53`	`Gentle_`	`cause it keeps reloading small never-changing images from websites, I'd like to cache them somehow`
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`06:09.33`	`dob2`	`hi`
`06:09.53`	`dob2`	`there is nothing in kde to setup the mouse acceleration/speed?`
`06:10.22`	`chrisag`	`go to control center -> periphials`
`06:11.24`	`dob2`	`i saw it, but nothing for speed or acceleration`
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`06:13.02`	`chrisag`	`i see it...`
`06:13.09`	`chrisag`	`it's under mouse`
`06:13.28`	`chrisag`	`then under 'advanced'`
`06:14.27`	`dob2`	`ah ok yes. sorry :)`
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`06:17.46`	`chrisag`	`np`
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`06:19.01`	`klepas`	`mhh`
`06:19.13`	`klepas`	`this definitely could do with a tabbed browsing feature`
`06:19.42`	`klepas`	`anyone used the dictionary that you can add into the panel?`
`06:19.50`	`klepas`	`i think it's kdict`
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`06:19.59`	`Dr_Fie`	`how do i get rid of the damn virtual desktops?`
`06:20.04`	`Dr_Fie`	`:)`
`06:20.24`	`mark_alec`	`Dr_Fie: go into the control center`
`06:20.27`	`klepas`	`Dr_Fie: you mean the desktop 1, 2, 3 and 4?`
`06:20.34`	`Dr_Fie`	`yes`
`06:20.36`	`klepas`	`yea mark_alec will help you out`
`06:20.46`	`Faizi`	`Configure Desktop > Number of Desktop = 1`
`06:20.51`	`klepas`	`or just click on the little pointer`
`06:20.56`	`klepas`	`and click remove`
`06:20.56`	`Dr_Fie`	`how do i get rid of the icon in the bar?`
`06:21.01`	`Dr_Fie`	`there is no remove`
`06:21.06`	`mark_alec`	`Dr_Fie: right click on it`
`06:21.11`	`Dr_Fie`	`there is no remove`
`06:21.24`	`klepas`	`there should be a little arrow, like ^ on it`
`06:21.27`	`klepas`	`click that`
`06:21.29`	`klepas`	`and then remove`
`06:21.44`	`Dr_Fie`	`^.^`
`06:21.50`	`Dr_Fie`	`danke`
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`06:23.34`	`klepas`	`keine problem`
`06:23.40`	`klepas`	`=]`
`06:24.00`	`klepas`	`so back to this kdict`
`06:24.05`	`klepas`	`would someone confirm it`
`06:24.52`	`Faizi`	`klepas , sorry, but what about kdict?`
`06:25.08`	`klepas`	`that it could do a tabbed browsing feature`
`06:25.17`	`klepas`	`for example, if i want to look up multiple words`
`06:25.24`	`klepas`	`and not have to go back and forth`
`06:25.56`	`klepas`	`or when i want to follow the 'link' of a word, while browsing an entry`
`06:26.17`	`klepas`	`i may not want to leave the current entry`
`06:26.18`	`klepas`	`:)`
`06:26.59`	`Faizi`	`ic, i don't think i can help you on that :D`
`06:27.15`	`klepas`	`alrighty`
`06:27.24`	`klepas`	`might pop off a mail to the devels then :)`
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`08:22.44`	`XaXXon`	`I have kde set to "restore manually saved session".. but how do you manually save a session? I can't find that anywhere`
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`08:23.37`	`jp`	`When you maximize a window, is there a way to prevent being able to click on the edges of it and resizing it? Using KDE 3.4.2-0.fc4.1 Red Hat`
`08:24.05`	`XaXXon`	`oh. I see it`
`08:26.18`	`jp`	`oh nevermind i found it`
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`08:28.13`	`marcusU`	`When mail has both an HTML and plaintext version, KMail does not display either in the message body area until I choose one from the little inspector window at the bottom. How do I get it to show one automatically?`
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`08:34.35`	`Zaki`	`hi`
`08:34.48`	`Zaki`	`is there a tool like Gkrellm but for kde?`
`08:35.41`	`Zaki`	`and not kde system guard`
`08:35.52`	`Zaki`	`i mean a small one like gkrellm`
`08:36.06`	`marcusU`	`Yes, but let me find it.`
`08:36.11`	`Zaki`	`that takes little space from the desktop`
`08:36.30`	`Zaki`	`marcusU, take you time :)`
`08:37.01`	`marcusU`	`Zaki: There are a few specific apps, also, in the Utilities and System menus. Oh KSim.`
`08:37.28`	`Zaki`	`marcusU, i use RHEL 4`
`08:37.56`	`Zaki`	`marcusU, i think i don't have KSim in the "Utilities and System menus"`
`08:38.04`	`Zaki`	`marcusU, i'm going to search for the package to install it`
`08:38.48`	`marcusU`	`You can try the System Monitor applet.`
`08:39.09`	`Zaki`	`hmm i have it but not in the menus`
`08:39.21`	`Zaki`	`it's in the kdeutils package`
`08:39.26`	`Zaki`	`i'm going to try running it now`
`08:40.07`	`marcusU`	`I don't know why it's not installed on my system.`
`08:40.20`	`Zaki`	`ok the applet is there but i'd like something that competes with gkrellm :)`
`08:41.18`	`marcusU`	`I didn't like gkrellm, but I really don't remember it.`
`08:41.33`	`Zaki`	`strange`
`08:41.53`	`Zaki`	`i have kdeutils pkg and it has ksim per its description`
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`08:42.01`	`Zaki`	`but i don't know why it doesn't run`
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`08:42.12`	`Zaki`	`may be it's not in the path, i'll check now`
`08:42.17`	`PhilRod`	`try tunning it from a konsole - you might get useful debugging info`
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`08:42.39`	`marcusU`	`For some reason, I don't have a ksim binary, either, but I have lots of libs and icons for it installed.`
`08:43.43`	`Zaki`	`PhilRod, tune what exactly?`
`08:45.29`	`PhilRod`	`er,sorry, s/tunning/running/`
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`08:46.18`	`Zaki`	`PhilRod, yeah that's what i'm trying to do`
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`08:48.58`	`j0sephi`	`http://picasa.hu/fresh.php :)`
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`08:50.47`	`marcusU`	`Zaki: Oh, KSim is an applet you have to add.`
`08:52.46`	`marcusU`	`Zaki: Or maybe not an applet, but rather a "Panel Extension". Sorry for the errorneous advice.`
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`09:18.47`	`Zaki`	`marcusU, np, thank you for telling me about it and your concern`
`09:19.02`	`marcusU`	`Okay. I'm heading off. See you .`
`09:19.11`	`Zaki`	`marcusU, take care =)`
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`09:51.10`	`TinoW`	`hello`
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`10:07.43`	`Solaris444`	`hello is anyone available?`
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`10:10.01`	`TinoW`	`Solaris444: available for what? ;)`
`10:10.24`	`Solaris444`	`I have a question I'm afraid.`
`10:10.39`	`Solaris444`	`It is likely a noob question but... here goes.`
`10:11.02`	`Solaris444`	`I tried to import mail from kmail in a different distro into a new one.`
`10:11.34`	`Solaris444`	`Now, when I click on a mail in the list of emails it changes to "No Subject, Unknown" etc.`
`10:11.38`	`TinoW`	`which isnt a question yet`
`10:11.46`	`TinoW`	`ah`
`10:11.50`	`Solaris444`	`The question is, what am I doing wrong.`
`10:12.00`	`TinoW`	`you used kmail ;)`
`10:12.10`	`Solaris444`	`I deleted all the index files and kmail regenerated them.`
`10:12.15`	`Solaris444`	`But same issue.`
`10:12.20`	`Solaris444`	`lol`
`10:12.45`	`Solaris444`	`er #kde rather`
`10:12.52`	`TinoW`	`Solaris444: sorry, I'm afraid I cant help w/ that. I rarely use kmail and I have all my mail on imap`
`10:12.59`	`Solaris444`	`:-(`
`10:13.04`	`Solaris444`	`ok.`
`10:13.16`	`Solaris444`	`I wonder if anyone else here has the requisite knowledge.`
`10:14.13`	`TinoW`	`Solaris444: did you check the versions?`
`10:14.19`	`Solaris444`	`?`
`10:14.24`	`Solaris444`	`check versions?`
`10:14.42`	`Solaris444`	`one is a little older, i know that. but both are 3.x`
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`10:16.50`	`Solaris444`	`No takers?`
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`10:38.09`	`glen___`	`hey. i can't find anymore save button in korganizer (kde 3.5), but in window title it says <modified>, how do i save my calendar entries? (searched bugs too but found nothing)`
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`10:55.55`	`Vincent_k`	`I'm very anoued bout that I can't have wav to play for notification's just ogg hmm`
`10:56.08`	`Vincent_k`	`is there something i will have to install in kde?`
`10:56.51`	`PhilRod`	`you should be able to use wav, I imagine. Can you play wavs with "artsplay /path/to/some/wav"`
`10:56.53`	`PhilRod`	`?`
`10:57.04`	`doleyb`	`Vincent_k: there are wavs in kdeartwork`
`10:57.52`	`Vincent_k`	`yes.. I have wavs showing when I browse for sound in systemnotifications.. they just don't play only ogg's play`
`10:59.43`	`Vincent_k`	`oh... new updates for kde... again :D`
`11:04.11`	`glen___`	`nevermind, seems autosave saved my day (calendar is now saved)`
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`11:18.47`	`jza`	`hi any keystroke to switch between virtual desktop`
`11:18.59`	`jza`	`like ctrl-alt- ->`
`11:20.44`	`lippel`	`does anyone know a good whiteboard app for linux? preferably jabber- or IRC-based`
`11:21.21`	`mark_alec`	`jza: ctrl - tab`
`11:22.50`	`jza`	`cool thanks`
`11:22.51`	`jza`	`:)`
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`11:27.19`	`hagabaka`	`The "K" originally stood for "Kool" (as the "C" as in "cool" was already used in the acronym for the Common Desktop Environment), but was changed soon after to stand simply for "K", which is "the first letter before 'L' (which stands for Linux) in the Latin alphabet."`
`11:27.30`	`hagabaka`	`i'm confused...`
`11:32.59`	`mark_alec`	`hagabaka: what are you confused about?`
`11:33.28`	`hagabaka`	`it just seems the K came out of nowhere :)`
`11:33.39`	`mark_alec`	`sounds kool`
`11:34.09`	`PhilRod`	`that's pretty much the impression I got - Matthias Ettrich just chose it 'cos he liked it :-)`
`11:34.24`	`hagabaka`	`i see`
`11:34.41`	`PhilRod`	`you can probably find the old usenet postings on google groups. I think they're linked from some 'history' page on www.kde.org`
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`11:36.49`	`klepas`	`Might also be influenced by the common usage of the 'K' in the German language, as apposed to the 'C' in the English language :)`
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`11:37.36`	`PhilRod`	`I wouldn't be surprised - makes for lots of puns that German speakers can enjoy (not so good for the rest of us though :-)`
`11:38.06`	`PhilRod`	`in fact, does the german word for "common" start with a K?`
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`11:41.15`	`doktoreas`	`guys how can i enable flash player in konqueror?`
`11:42.32`	`TinoW`	`PhilRod: no, it doesnt`
`11:42.36`	`PhilRod`	`distro specific, but make sure it's in settings->configure konq->plugins->search path`
`11:43.01`	`PhilRod`	`TinoW: ah, ok. So it wasn't that pun then :-)`
`11:43.02`	`doktoreas`	`PhilRod: gentoo`
`11:43.36`	`TinoW`	`doktoreas: btw, on gentoo, do you really compile KDE yourself?`
`11:44.25`	`doktoreas`	`yeah`
`11:44.28`	`PhilRod`	`doktoreas: ok, well you need to make sure that the path in which the flash plugin lives is in that search path`
`11:44.49`	`doktoreas`	`PhilRod: i can't found the plugin setting in konqui.. is 3.4.1`
`11:45.14`	`PhilRod`	`yay for lack of sane defaults`
`11:45.26`	`PhilRod`	`ask in #gentoo-kde or hope there's a gentoo user here`
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`11:46.31`	`TinoW`	`doktoreas: how many days does it take?`
`11:46.35`	`gravix`	`flash should work by default`
`11:46.37`	`PhilRod`	`(gentoo's KDE packaging is, erm, quirky)`
`11:46.42`	`gravix`	`unless you have amd64`
`11:46.46`	`doktoreas`	`TinoW: 15 min`
`11:46.52`	`TinoW`	`doktoreas: never`
`11:47.00`	`doktoreas`	`TinoW: also less`
`11:47.08`	`gravix`	`kde takes 18 hours to compile on an athlon 64 3200+`
`11:47.08`	`doktoreas`	`ahhh`
`11:47.10`	`doktoreas`	`sorry`
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`11:47.15`	`doktoreas`	`i mean compile konqueror`
`11:47.46`	`doktoreas`	`kdebase-startkde 6 hours`
`11:47.48`	`TinoW`	`well, even kdelibs takes many minutes here. Still not ready`
`11:47.49`	`doktoreas`	`the i am adding package`
`11:48.42`	`TinoW`	`I wonder what makes KDE so terrible huge`
`11:49.05`	`padde`	`guys, will kmail finally be usable with imap in 3.5? i'd love to use it, but right now neither with offline-imap (synchronizes all folders, takes forever with many mails) nor usual imap (seems to cache NOTHING, NEVER) it's usable`
`11:49.15`	`mark_alec`	`being written in C++ doesn't help the speed as g++ is much slower than gcc`
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`11:49.52`	`PhilRod`	`TinoW: lots of programs, plus being c++`
`11:50.31`	`PhilRod`	`padde: I'm using imap in 3.5 with no problems. imap doesn't cache anything though (dimap does that, but I haven't used it)`
`11:50.54`	`TinoW`	`PhilRod: well, but even then. Does C++ add to the codesize due to redefining (aka subclassing) ?`
`11:51.25`	`PhilRod`	`padde: I don't think it's non-blocking yet though :-(`
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`11:52.00`	`PhilRod`	`TinoW: do you mean size of binaries/libraries, or mem usage?`
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`11:52.10`	`padde`	`PhilRod: ummm... right now it's really unusable :( guess I need to stick to thunderbird one more year or so`
`11:53.05`	`PhilRod`	`the new filtering on imap accounts rocks though :-)`
`11:53.52`	`TinoW`	`PhilRod: actually all that, but also the binaries/libs`
`11:55.01`	`PhilRod`	`for mem usage, see:`
`11:55.06`	`PhilRod`	`~mem-usage`
`11:55.07`	`apt`	`somebody said mem-usage was http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=175419 and http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/shared_memory.html`
`11:55.28`	`PhilRod`	`for binary size, I have no idea. Presumably something to do with compiler/linker for C++`
`11:55.57`	`doktoreas`	`PhilRod: on my konq 3.4.1 i haven't a configuration>plugin`
`11:56.15`	`PhilRod`	`doktoreas: gentoo problem. You need to unmask some CFLAGS or something`
`11:56.24`	`PhilRod`	`(hence my "sane defaults" comment)`
`11:56.53`	`PhilRod`	`maybe you need to emerge them too`
`11:57.18`	`TinoW`	`emerge debian; apt-get install kde;`
`11:57.18`	`TinoW`	`;)`
`11:57.39`	`mark_alec`	`doktoreas: emerge ns-plugins`
`11:58.14`	`mark_alec`	`emerge nsplugins that is`
`11:58.19`	`doktoreas`	`k thx!`
`11:58.23`	`klepas`	`PhilRod: common translates into allgemein :)`
`11:58.30`	`doktoreas`	`i'll try mark_alec`
`11:58.40`	`mark_alec`	`doktoreas: then emerge netscape-flash`
`11:59.45`	`TinoW`	`PhilRod: haha, memory-usage ;) I know the difference between shared and real mem :)`
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`12:00.51`	`doktoreas`	`mark_alec: no ns-plugins in portage :(`
`12:01.11`	`PhilRod`	`TinoW: heh, ok. Plenty of people who come here complaining about KDE's memory use don't :-)`
`12:01.13`	`mark_alec`	`doktoreas: nsplugins, it was a typo`
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`12:05.44`	`TinoW`	`what about telling the problems in plain text?`
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`12:36.45`	`StarScream`	`hey guys i have a kded process that is taking up quite alot of cpu usage`
`12:36.46`	`StarScream`	`26305 am 25 0 45256 23m 14m R 99.1 3.1 4125:05 kded`
`12:36.57`	`StarScream`	`and when i kill it, and restart kded again`
`12:36.59`	`lippel`	`StarScream: mandriva?`
`12:37.04`	`StarScream`	`it just climbs up again`
`12:37.06`	`StarScream`	`nope`
`12:37.09`	`StarScream`	`slackware 10.2`
`12:37.12`	`lippel`	`StarScream: do you use kat?`
`12:37.17`	`StarScream`	`nope`
`12:37.19`	`lippel`	`hmm`
`12:37.35`	`StarScream`	`slackware is just default kde, no extra stuff`
`12:37.48`	`lippel`	`well, you might have installed it ;-)`
`12:38.10`	`lippel`	`but if not... i don't know`
`12:38.15`	`StarScream`	`true. but yeh, no kat :) anyways, how can i debug this so that i can help out the devs`
`12:38.18`	`StarScream`	`i haven't had this before`
`12:38.32`	`StarScream`	`so i am sure if i log out and back in it will fix it`
`12:38.34`	`lippel`	`hmm, try "gdb kded <pid>"`
`12:38.50`	`lippel`	`then, "bt"`
`12:39.26`	`StarScream`	`ok, continue or return ?`
`12:39.35`	`StarScream`	`or q rather`
`12:40.04`	`StarScream`	`it doesn't look very verbose`
`12:40.17`	`StarScream`	`#29 0xbf910f00 in ?? ()`
`12:40.17`	`StarScream`	`#30 0xb6ad6820 in ?? ()`
`12:40.34`	`StarScream`	`will that actually be useful ?`
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`12:42.02`	`anabain`	`hi, I'm having a weird behaviour with Kwrite and Kview`
`12:42.39`	`anabain`	`they appear 5 or 6 minutes after they have been started...`
`12:42.48`	`anabain`	`any ideas?`
`12:44.52`	`CHodapp`	`anabain, if you start from CLI, do you get any messages of interest?`
`12:46.21`	`lippel`	`StarScream: hmm, don't know. maybe someone in #kde-devel knows how to debug kded...`
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`12:49.05`	`anabain`	`CHodapp, what's CLI?`
`12:49.13`	`CHodapp`	`commandline`
`12:49.45`	`StarScream`	`lippel: thanks`
`12:50.16`	`DirkGently`	`anabain: start Konsole then type kwrite at the prompt`
`12:50.22`	`anabain`	`ko`
`12:50.23`	`anabain`	`ok`
`12:51.41`	`anabain`	`0 S 1000 6815 4818 4 76 0 - 8158 413952 pts/2 00:00:00 kwrite`
`12:52.45`	`anabain`	`the process is running, but nothing happens by now`
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`12:55.35`	`anabain`	`DirkGently, nothing happens. Is there a debugging mode or something like that, in order to monitor what's happening?`
`12:55.52`	`anabain`	`Oh!`
`12:56.10`	`anabain`	`Now kwrite's window has appeared!`
`12:56.19`	`anabain`	`but nothing at the CLI`
`12:57.19`	`DirkGently`	`anabain: I'm surprised you got no output`
`12:57.53`	`anabain`	`DirkGently, I have closed kwrite and nothing at the CLI either`
`12:58.28`	`DirkGently`	`anabain: have a look in ~/.xsession-errors`
`12:58.35`	`anabain`	`ok`
`13:00.20`	`DirkGently`	`got to get back to work...`
`13:01.24`	`anabain`	`DirkGently, I have error from ALSA and VLC, and this:`
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`13:01.50`	`anabain`	`QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image`
`13:02.08`	`Zugschlus`	`hi, using #kde 3.4 from debian unstable. wat am I doing wrong if clicking on "devices" in a split konqueror window gives the error message "Protocol not supported: devices"?`
`13:02.08`	`anabain`	`QClipboard: Unknown SelectionClear event received.`
`13:02.23`	`anabain`	`KFileMetaInfo: WARNING: KTxtPlugin was created for application/x-shellscript but doesn't call addMimeTypeInfo for it!`
`13:02.37`	`anabain`	`QMetaObject::findSignal:KViewViewer: Conflict with KImageViewer::Viewer::imageOpened(const KURL&)`
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`13:03.57`	`anabain`	`DIrkGently, These are the last messages from ~/.xsession-errors`
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`13:06.17`	`DeadS0ul`	`hello`
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`13:29.24`	`agenteo`	`hi, I've used the .directory file to set up the directory icon... this no longer works when I mount something on the dir.. someone knows a way to assign an icon to a directory?`
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`13:34.34`	`doktoreas`	`wow`
`13:34.41`	`doktoreas`	`my kde is full working...`
`13:35.17`	`PHR023N`	`doktoreas: did you got into much trouble to get it fully working?`
`13:35.29`	`doktoreas`	`nope.. thx to gentoo`
`13:35.51`	`doktoreas`	`just need to understand why keep pressing backspace on konsole`
`13:36.06`	`PHR023N`	`i'm currently emerging mine`
`13:36.28`	`PHR023N`	`its been 4 hours and i've only reached 86/266`
`13:36.32`	`doktoreas`	`it's like to press at different times`
`13:36.44`	`doktoreas`	`PHR023N: wich packages do you emerge?`
`13:36.50`	`PHR023N`	`kde-meta`
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`13:37.52`	`PHR023N`	`i hope i wont get into problem`
`13:38.08`	`PHR023N`	`from what i've heard kde is much more stable than gnome`
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`13:39.11`	`PHR023N`	`doktoreas: what player do you use to play realaudio files?`
`13:41.44`	`doktoreas`	`i don't know`
`13:41.49`	`doktoreas`	`i mean`
`13:41.53`	`doktoreas`	`i haven't configure it`
`13:42.01`	`doktoreas`	`for all i do with xine`
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`13:42.28`	`klepas`	`Have a good one all`
`13:42.33`	`klepas`	`happy trails`
`13:42.39`	`PHR023N`	`i'm having problem with realplayer 10 since it doesnt support playlist`
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`13:43.24`	`PHR023N`	`doktoreas: does xine take much resources? i.e RAM?`
`13:44.10`	`deac714`	`PHR023N: iirc, mplayer plays real audio with the proper plugins`
`13:45.00`	`PHR023N`	`deac714: havent tried that yet`
`13:45.15`	`PHR023N`	`i think i should try that`
`13:45.49`	`PHR023N`	`which plugin does mplayer needs?`
`13:46.44`	`PHR023N`	`to play realaudios`
`13:53.56`	`doktoreas`	`guys konqueror con be used to explorer ipod music?`
`13:54.28`	`doktoreas`	`yeah :)`
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`13:56.04`	`PHR023N`	`if ipod has wifi why shouldnt konqueror explore it..`
`13:56.28`	`PHR023N`	`maybe you need samba or something`
`13:56.36`	`PHR023N`	`just a guess`
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`13:57.38`	`DeadS0ul`	`ipod has wifi!?!?`
`13:57.40`	`PHR023N`	`IPODSLAVE 0.6.1 - an iPod IO slave for KDE`
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`13:58.51`	`PHR023N`	`googled - This ioslave enables KIO aware linux apps like konqueror or amarok to access the Music stored on an Apple iPod.`
`14:01.21`	`DeadS0ul`	`yeah, amarok works with ipods from what I recall`
`14:02.07`	`TinoW`	`isnt ipod just a storage on usb?`
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`14:02.29`	`PHR023N`	`TinoW: i havent used an ipod so i dont know very much`
`14:02.40`	`PHR023N`	`i was just guessing`
`14:02.50`	`TinoW`	`so do I ;)`
`14:03.06`	`agenteo`	`hi I need to change a directory icon, placing .directory inside it works but not when I mount something on the directory. Is there a way to assign an icon to a specific directory?`
`14:03.25`	`PHR023N`	`so if it doesnt have wifi what all this about podcasting?`
`14:04.06`	`TinoW`	`PHR023N: dont know, but if you upload it to the plugged device using usb/firewire, its still podcasting`
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`14:05.56`	`PHR023N`	`maybe, in my opinion it isnt a broadcast if its not available to veryone :\`
`14:08.59`	`DeadS0ul`	`meh my parition table is ..messed up or soemthing, windows doens't wanna install =(`
`14:10.41`	`PHR023N`	`why dont your just copy the installation files to that partition,`
`14:10.53`	`PHR023N`	`then boot with a freedos`
`14:11.05`	`PHR023N`	`and start the install from hdd`
`14:12.00`	`PHR023N`	`if its XP just copy the i386 folder`
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`14:13.59`	`Katagia`	`Hi. I have some printing issues. Printing itself works but not the way a want. I want to print a pdf file from akroread. I use print command kprinter.`
`14:14.44`	`Katagia`	`The pdf files contains several powerpoint pages which are very big. Therefore I want to print 2 pdf pages on 1 side`
`14:15.05`	`Katagia`	`I selected the option "2 pages per sheet"`
`14:15.33`	`Katagia`	`The problem is the 2nd page is on the top, the 1st page on the buttom of the page`
`14:15.37`	`Katagia`	`This is very unreadable`
`14:15.44`	`Katagia`	`Any idea how I can flip the pages?`
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`14:19.58`	`DeadS0ul`	`that will work =\|`
`14:19.58`	`buntux`	`hi folks :) can anybody please tell in what way le lastest kdevelop is improved in php?`
`14:20.07`	`DeadS0ul`	`hmm i'll give it a shot as soon as knoppix downloads`
`14:20.23`	`PHR023N`	`you can try the using photocopy machine, rotating etc.`
`14:20.27`	`buntux`	`for php, i mean`
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`14:21.27`	`en1gma`	`hi all`
`14:21.39`	`buntux`	`a clue, anyone ? :(`
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`14:27.34`	`en1gma`	`anyone here use kdetv`
`14:28.28`	`buntux`	`not me and with such support...`
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`14:28.34`	`en1gma`	`i was using tvtime with an ati tv wonder ve and an ati x800xl vcard. i had to switch the vcard to an nvidia gf2 32meg card now tvtime dont work so i said what the heck lets try kdetv and see how it goes`
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`14:36.12`	`sredna`	`Olleh`
`14:36.25`	`chakie_work`	`any idea why starting KNotes would give this error: "No writable resource was found, saving will not be possible. Reconfigure KMail first."`
`14:36.42`	`chakie_work`	`i don't see why knotes would be even remotely related to kmail`
`14:38.07`	`thiesen`	`maybe copy and paste code .... but KMail is not using the resources framework IMHO... well, for address book maybe`
`14:38.28`	`chakie_work`	`dunno`
`14:38.39`	`chakie_work`	`no idea what i should configure`
`14:39.01`	`chakie_work`	`if i try to use notes inside Kontact i get the same error, but the note is at least created`
`14:39.26`	`chakie_work`	`i saw this error half a year ago too on an older kde version`
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`14:40.30`	`thiesen`	`well, this whole resources stuff is one of KDE's uability nightmares ... try control center -> kde components -> resources or something`
`14:41.15`	`anabain`	`hi, I've asked thaat before but DirkGently had to go to work...: I'm getting weird behaviour of kwrite and kview, they do not appear immediately when being started. They appear 5 o 6 minutes later. From CLI I get nothing... any ideas?`
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`14:41.31`	`chakie_work`	`ah, found something: http://www.kolab.org/pipermail/kolab-users/2005-May/002668.html`
`14:42.04`	`thiesen`	`anabain: not really an idea... system load during the startup? did you try to mv your .kde and start again?`
`14:43.26`	`anabain`	`I've started again (without moving anything), and it worked fine, but after some usage, the same problem..`
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`14:44.06`	`thiesen`	`anabain: are you sure that this is just the two apps or is your system slow in general?`
`14:45.39`	`anabain`	`I don't know which is the scope of "in general", but for example, kuickshow also runs this way`
`14:45.52`	`anabain`	`There are other apps running finee`
`14:46.47`	`anabain`	`and xsession.errors isn't very informative...`
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`14:49.55`	`anabain`	`thiesen, perhaps there is a daemon causing this problem?`
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`14:52.12`	`thiesen`	`anabain: well, this might have several reasons`
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`14:52.24`	`thiesen`	`anabain: maybe the apps are waiting for something`
`14:52.32`	`thiesen`	`anabain: or your system load is just to high`
`14:52.50`	`thiesen`	`anabain: you should have a look at your process table and find out what your system is doing`
`14:52.51`	`anabain`	`any hint to investigate?`
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`14:53.15`	`thiesen`	`anabain: or try "ptrace kwrite" and see at which point it hangs`
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`14:53.22`	`anabain`	`ok`
`14:53.40`	`annma`	`kwrite hangs?`
`14:53.51`	`anabain`	`annma, not hangs exactly`
`14:54.03`	`annma`	`what happens then?`
`14:54.04`	`anabain`	`it takes 5 minutes to appear, annma`
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`14:54.19`	`anabain`	`and kview, and kuickshow, also`
`14:54.35`	`annma`	`your install seems pretty bad`
`14:54.42`	`annma`	`what distro is that?`
`14:54.46`	`anabain`	`debian sid`
`14:54.59`	`annma`	`did you ask in #debian-kde?`
`14:55.00`	`anabain`	`it worked fine till yesterday`
`14:55.11`	`annma`	`what did you do yesterday?`
`14:55.14`	`anabain`	`no, I didn't know of that channel, I'll ask`
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`14:55.25`	`annma`	`did you try a new user?`
`14:55.33`	`annma`	`to see if it's aconfig problem?`
`14:55.33`	`anabain`	`no`
`14:55.44`	`annma`	`so you need first to try a new user`
`14:55.48`	`anabain`	`I added a new user to CUPS`
`14:56.02`	`anabain`	`lpadmin -u allow`
`14:56.14`	`anabain`	`ok, annma`
`14:56.16`	`annma`	`anabain: try a brand new user`
`14:56.24`	`annma`	`see what happens`
`14:56.31`	`anabain`	`ok`
`14:58.12`	`anabain`	`I was trying with another user (not new), and the session loader window stops at the second icon...`
`14:58.21`	`anabain`	`another problem`
`14:58.30`	`annma`	`create a new user`
`14:58.33`	`anabain`	`yes`
`14:58.36`	`annma`	`log in kde with him`
`14:58.40`	`annma`	`then report`
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`15:01.39`	`anabain`	`annma, new user hanged in the final window of kpersonalizer`
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`15:02.03`	`annma`	`you have to uninstall kdebase and kdelibs and reinstall then`
`15:02.32`	`thiesen`	`anabain: reinstall them, otherwise it deletes all your KDE apps`
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`15:02.41`	`anabain`	`with apt-get?`
`15:02.48`	`annma`	`whatever debian uses`
`15:02.51`	`thiesen`	`anabain: yep, apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kdelibs`
`15:02.56`	`anabain`	`ok`
`15:03.09`	`anabain`	`"otherwise it deletes all your KDE apps" ???`
`15:03.34`	`anabain`	`what does it means exactly?`
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`15:04.01`	`thiesen`	`well, it uninstalls them because the dependencies aren't satisfied anymore... see, all application which use kde depend on kdelibs`
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`15:05.14`	`anabain`	`thiesen , annma, now the new user session, has completed`
`15:05.52`	`thiesen`	`and what about the startup times?`
`15:06.13`	`anabain`	`and also the other user session, the not new one.`
`15:06.44`	`anabain`	`startup times? well, about 5 minutes' delay, the same as in kwrite and the other apps`
`15:06.54`	`annma`	`anabain: reinstall`
`15:07.02`	`anabain`	`ok`
`15:07.02`	`annma`	`you messed something, and globally`
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`15:07.17`	`annma`	`as all users are messed`
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`15:07.32`	`anabain`	`must I restart?`
`15:08.17`	`annma`	`did you reinstall yet?`
`15:08.21`	`anabain`	`yes`
`15:08.41`	`annma`	`you're not chatting from your linux box then?`
`15:08.50`	`anabain`	`and kview shows the same behaviour`
`15:09.03`	`anabain`	`yes, I'm chatting from the linux box`
`15:09.14`	`Solaris444`	`hey guys, do either of you know anything about kmail and transferring message stores to another box?`
`15:10.09`	`annma`	`anabain: log out and restart kde`
`15:10.30`	`anabain`	`ok, that's why I was just asking you now, see you`
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`15:12.58`	`thiesen`	`Solaris444: define "message stores"`
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`15:20.00`	`Solaris444`	`thiesen: Well, I transferred the mail directory for kmail from another machine.`
`15:20.23`	`Solaris444`	`But when I click on any of the messages now listed in kmail they change to "No Subject" etc`
`15:21.34`	`thiesen`	`Solaris444: no idea, worked for me.... any hint from command line output/.xsession-errors`
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`15:21.43`	`Solaris444`	`?`
`15:21.52`	`Solaris444`	`ok`
`15:22.00`	`Solaris444`	`let me check`
`15:22.49`	`Solaris444`	`um, is that a commant?`
`15:22.56`	`Solaris444`	`*command.`
`15:23.01`	`thiesen`	`nope, a file in your homedir`
`15:23.12`	`thiesen`	`less $HOME/.xsession-errors`
`15:24.53`	`Solaris444`	`nothing to do with kmail no.`
`15:25.05`	`Solaris444`	`I deleted all the indexes.`
`15:25.11`	`Solaris444`	`Kmail rebuilt them.`
`15:25.22`	`Solaris444`	`But then the same thing happens.`
`15:25.24`	`Solaris444`	`:/`
`15:25.36`	`Solaris444`	`Are messages associated with a particular account or something?`
`15:25.53`	`Solaris444`	`And incidentally, how does one import email addresses between kontact versions?`
`15:25.54`	`PhilRod`	`Solaris444: did you remove the hidden index files too?`
`15:26.14`	`PhilRod`	`Solaris444: ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf holds your addresses`
`15:26.20`	`thiesen`	`Solaris444: nope... they are usually (depending on your configuration) mbox files or maildir dirs`
`15:26.46`	`Solaris444`	`hidden index files Phil?`
`15:27.04`	`Solaris444`	`Are there ones that do not show up when you enable "show hidden files"?`
`15:27.19`	`PhilRod`	`no`
`15:27.28`	`Solaris444`	`ok then yes I got rid of all of them.`
`15:28.10`	`Solaris444`	`It is as if the messages do not exist...`
`15:28.14`	`Solaris444`	`Really wierd.`
`15:28.16`	`PhilRod`	`if you want to make sure, use "find . -name '.index' \| xargs rm" in your mail dir (after backing it up)`
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`15:28.38`	`anabain`	`hi`
`15:29.00`	`thiesen`	`anabain: and, any changes?`
`15:29.09`	`anabain`	`now they work fine, but let's see the next half hour`
`15:29.18`	`Solaris444`	`I have 2 backups.`
`15:29.53`	`Solaris444`	`Unfortunately due to windows networking suckness it cut off the ends of some files and deleted others but the dvd backup works fine.`
`15:30.01`	`anabain`	`by the way, I have been using a bash script that invokes kview, but this should not create any problem, no. thiesen?`
`15:30.07`	`thiesen`	`anabain: they get slow after some time? that is really really wired`
`15:30.29`	`thiesen`	`anabain: not really, well, there is no reason I can think off`
`15:30.34`	`Solaris444`	`what gets slow anabain?`
`15:30.37`	`anabain`	`at least yesterday this was their behaviour`
`15:31.12`	`thiesen`	`Solaris444: make sure that the files are not coruppted .... but if it's maildir it doesn't matter and for mbox it should work too`
`15:31.21`	`annma`	`anabain: the behaviour should not change the next hour except if you mess things`
`15:31.29`	`thiesen`	`Solaris444: can you see the mails you click on when looking with "less"`
`15:31.39`	`thiesen`	`lol`
`15:32.41`	`anabain`	`annma, that's why I asked about the script. Another question: may I run two instances of this script at the same time? Does it affect kview?`
`15:32.47`	`Solaris444`	`i don't get it thieson what do you mean?`
`15:33.00`	`annma`	`what script is it?`
`15:33.12`	`annma`	`it depends on what you do in your script`
`15:33.28`	`annma`	`if you rm things for examle then your script is bad`
`15:33.31`	`thiesen`	`Solaris444: well, depending on your setup you see a couple of files in your ~/Mail ... which contain your emails... make sure you can view them with a simple pager`
`15:33.45`	`anabain`	`annma, this is the line which invokes kview:`
`15:33.49`	`anabain`	`kview -geometry $(( $((v[0] * 9 / 10)) ))x$(( $((v[1] * 9 / 10)) ))-$(( $((v[0] * 5 / 100)) ))+$(( $((v[1] * 5 / 10)) )) $directoriA4/${llista[$b]} 2>/dev/null`
`15:33.54`	`annma`	`hey`
`15:34.01`	`annma`	`anabain: whatever`
`15:34.13`	`annma`	`I don't understand taht`
`15:34.14`	`Solaris444`	`goddamn yes i can.`
`15:34.18`	`anabain`	`I wrote it`
`15:34.24`	`Solaris444`	`and yet kontact totally craps out.`
`15:34.27`	`annma`	`ifyour kview is messed again then your script messes itr`
`15:34.28`	`Solaris444`	`what the hell!`
`15:34.32`	`annma`	`or something else`
`15:34.41`	`Solaris444`	`Should I just import them somehow?`
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`15:34.49`	`annma`	`anabain: you have full responsability for what you write`
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`15:35.27`	`thiesen`	`anabain: doesn't look that bad anyway`
`15:35.36`	`anabain`	`of course, annma. it tells kview to draw a window that shows an image`
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`15:35.50`	`anabain`	`previously modified`
`15:36.10`	`anabain`	`thiesen, I think so. It has been working fine till yesterday`
`15:36.20`	`thiesen`	`anabain: shouldn't it be --geometry anyway?`
`15:36.24`	`annma`	`whatever happened yesterday messed your system`
`15:36.40`	`annma`	`if you have it again just reinstall and find the cause`
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`15:36.51`	`anabain`	`yes, annma`
`15:37.19`	`thiesen`	`Solaris444: well, no idea...`
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`15:38.51`	`anabain`	`thiesen, yes it's with two -`
`15:39.05`	`anabain`	`I checked kview --help-all`
`15:39.32`	`anabain`	`thiesen, , --geometry <geometry>, in KDE options section`
`15:39.56`	`annma`	`-- anabain`
`15:39.58`	`annma`	`not -`
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`15:40.12`	`thiesen`	`anabain: ja, I know, but the stuff you pasted had just one...`
`15:40.26`	`thiesen`	`anyway, I guess this has nothing to do with it`
`15:40.35`	`anabain`	`ok, thiesen`
`15:40.39`	`annma`	`I wonder why the script works`
`15:40.52`	`anabain`	`it works`
`15:41.07`	`anabain`	`and does what it's been told`
`15:43.28`	`annma`	`hmm`
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`15:45.36`	`Solaris444`	`more on kmail...`
`15:46.01`	`Solaris444`	`should .inbox.index (for example) change icons when it is rebuilt?`
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`15:46.10`	`Solaris444`	`I can read it in text only mode initially.`
`15:46.23`	`Solaris444`	`It appears as a "Plain Text Document"`
`15:46.38`	`Solaris444`	`But when I add mails to the inbox it appears as "Unknown"`
`15:46.44`	`Solaris444`	`Is that correct?`
`15:46.53`	`Solaris444`	`Could kmail be generating invalid indexes?!`
`15:47.04`	`thiesen`	`well, it's some binary data for me, therefore this seems correct`
`15:47.33`	`Solaris444`	`ok so that is what /should/ be happening.`
`15:47.45`	`thiesen`	`I think so`
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`15:48.30`	`anabain`	`:)`
`15:49.41`	`Solaris444`	`dammnit.`
`15:49.53`	`Solaris444`	`I wish I knew what was causing that.`
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`15:51.01`	`thiesen`	`Solaris444: maybe ask in #kontact`
`15:51.02`	`Solaris444`	`It does not make sense, and so ladies and gentlemen of the jury, if Chewbacca is from Kashyyyk you must find the defendent quilty.`
`15:51.07`	`Solaris444`	`I will thanks.`
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`15:55.45`	`Ayiden`	`Could someone point me in the right direction on where to find info about patching kde's control panel. I am planning on integrating a few programs into the control panel`
`15:56.06`	`annma`	`kdebase/kcontrol`
`15:57.51`	`PhilRod`	`Ayiden: if you just want to create a new 'page' for the control center, search developer.kde.org for "kcontrol modules" or something similar`
`15:58.51`	`Ayiden`	`PhilRod: Alright thanks`
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`16:04.46`	`Wansti`	`i'm having trouble with kdm... after typing my username and password, i get logged out immediately`
`16:04.56`	`Wansti`	`does anybody know why that happens?`
`16:06.18`	`grepper`	`Wansti: check user's ~/.xsession-errors`
`16:08.03`	`DeadS0ul`	`nite peeps`
`16:08.12`	`doleyb`	`Wansti: you have 0 free disk`
`16:08.37`	`Wansti`	`doleyb: no i have enough free space`
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`16:17.29`	`PHR023N`	`after i emerged kde-meta is there a way of turning back?`
`16:17.43`	`PHR023N`	`is it safe to emerge unmerge kde-meta?`
`16:18.24`	`PhilRod`	`if no one here knows, ask in #gentoo-kde or #gentoo`
`16:19.11`	`PHR023N`	`PhilRod: thanks :)`
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`16:55.13`	`bluesceada`	`anyone knows how to open a new tab in konqueror, by command?`
`16:55.20`	`bluesceada`	`konqueror --help doesnt help me`
`16:55.55`	`PhilRod`	`dcop`
`16:57.30`	`bluesceada`	`PhilRod: umm and how :S`
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`17:00.44`	`PhilRod`	`dcop konqueror-<pid> konqueror-mainwindow#1 newTab http://www.kde.org`
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`17:01.33`	`bluesceada`	`i dont want to need the pid`
`17:01.34`	`bluesceada`	`:(`
`17:01.41`	`bluesceada`	`isn't it possible otherwise?`
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`17:04.02`	`PhilRod`	`if you start the konq instance with dcop, you can get a reference that removes the need to know the PID`
`17:04.23`	`PhilRod`	`but if you don't know the PID, how do you specify which konqueror instance to open the new tab in? :-)`
`17:04.42`	`bluesceada`	`the latest ..`
`17:04.44`	`bluesceada`	`or whatever`
`17:04.51`	`bluesceada`	`firefox does it without such strange dcop`
`17:05.26`	`PhilRod`	`konqueror != firefox`
`17:05.46`	`bluesceada`	`hm but it worked once in konqueror i think .. hm`
`17:05.54`	`PhilRod`	`you can probably just get a list of running konqueror instances with dcop`
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`17:06.04`	`skelll`	`hello`
`17:06.19`	`bluesceada`	`i want to be able to use it as a command from an application :S`
`17:06.23`	`PhilRod`	`bluesceada: dcop \| grep konqueror \| head -n 1`
`17:06.25`	`PhilRod`	`et voila`
`17:06.26`	`annma`	`bluesceada: maybe if your setting is to open new url as tabs it works by command line`
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`17:06.40`	`bluesceada`	`annma: yeah i have that setting, but it just opens a new window`
`17:06.51`	`bluesceada`	`when "konqueror <url>"`
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`17:07.10`	`skelll`	`do you have trouble with kopete and yahoo? since this morning i'm all time booted from yahoo when i login`
`17:07.31`	`PhilRod`	`I'm logged into yahoo fine, it appears`
`17:07.36`	`PhilRod`	`this is 3.5 branch though`
`17:07.53`	`jhutchins`	`What is the deal here? I can't paste text copied in Konqueror into email in Kmail. (Running Mandriva 2006)`
`17:07.53`	`skelll`	`i'm using 3.3.2`
`17:08.43`	`PhilRod`	`jhutchins: problem with your time machine?`
`17:09.00`	`PhilRod`	`but seriously, try pasting between other KDE apps. Which work, and which don't?`
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`17:09.10`	`jhutchins`	`I can paste it here, but not in KMail or KWrite.`
`17:09.18`	`skelll`	`k cya , thanks`
`17:09.49`	`doktoreas`	`guys how can i make character in konqueror looks better`
`17:09.56`	`doktoreas`	`the seem like splitted...`
`17:10.20`	`annma`	`character?`
`17:10.46`	`doktoreas`	`sorry i mean font...`
`17:11.04`	`PhilRod`	`put a screenshot so we can see the problem`
`17:11.16`	`doktoreas`	`thx`
`17:11.33`	`annma`	`did you try to change font in Konqueror -> Settings`
`17:11.53`	`doktoreas`	`yup`
`17:12.01`	`doktoreas`	`but the effects remain the same`
`17:12.04`	`annma`	`so post a screenshot then`
`17:13.17`	`doktoreas`	`yup.. i am installing ksnapshot ;)`
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`17:18.32`	`doktoreas`	`annma: http://www.geocities.com/gubbiosupp/snapshot1.png`
`17:18.34`	`doktoreas`	`thx`
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`17:18.49`	`wathek`	`hello all`
`17:19.01`	`wathek`	`I need an information`
`17:19.09`	`wathek`	`how can I start an application while I authenticate ?`
`17:19.54`	`annma`	`doktoreas: what fonts are bad?`
`17:20.03`	`wathek`	`when I open my KDE session I'd like to have Korgnazier opened`
`17:20.08`	`wathek`	`how to do that ?`
`17:20.35`	`PhilRod`	`doktoreas: you need to enable anti aliasing in control center, then select konq fonts that are truetype`
`17:20.43`	`PhilRod`	`~autostart`
`17:20.46`	`apt`	`autostart is, like, http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html question 10.10`
`17:20.49`	`PhilRod`	`wathek: ^^^`
`17:20.51`	`PhilRod`	`read that`
`17:20.52`	`Gumby`	`/usr/kde/3.4/share/autostart`
`17:20.53`	`doktoreas`	`i'll try thx PhilRod`
`17:21.10`	`wathek`	`PhilRod, where can I find more information about that ?`
`17:21.24`	`PhilRod`	`wathek: in the FAQ link that apt gave`
`17:21.26`	`doktoreas`	`PhilRod: antialiasin is enabled`
`17:21.38`	`PhilRod`	`doktoreas: then you need to choose a different font in konq`
`17:21.40`	`wathek`	`alright thank you`
`17:21.41`	`wathek`	`:D`
`17:21.48`	`doktoreas`	`PhilRod: for example wich one do you use`
`17:21.49`	`annma`	`doktoreas: what font do you have in konqueror settings then?`
`17:21.52`	`doktoreas`	`so i try`
`17:22.08`	`doktoreas`	`Bitstream Vera Sans Mono`
`17:22.14`	`PhilRod`	`doktoreas: I use arial`
`17:22.14`	`doktoreas`	`this is in standard font`
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`17:22.37`	`doktoreas`	`i haven't arial`
`17:22.53`	`annma`	`I use arial too`
`17:22.54`	`PhilRod`	`do any fonts in KDE appear antialiased?`
`17:23.10`	`doktoreas`	`yup`
`17:23.14`	`doktoreas`	`i notice this problem`
`17:23.31`	`doktoreas`	`for example when i tried 3.5rc i haven't got this problem`
`17:23.59`	`annma`	`and now what kde version is it?`
`17:24.20`	`doktoreas`	`3.4.1`
`17:25.15`	`PhilRod`	`doktoreas: for definiteness, install the webfonts and try arial. Then we know whether antialiasing is working at all`
`17:26.33`	`doktoreas`	`k!`
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`17:26.56`	`wathek`	`alright it works well`
`17:26.57`	`wathek`	`:D`
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`17:32.31`	`doktoreas`	`PhilRod: i add arial in control center, but isn't showned in konqueror font setup`
`17:33.37`	`PhilRod`	`you might need to restart X for it to take effect`
`17:34.00`	`doktoreas`	`for example openoffice has recognize arial`
`17:34.08`	`doktoreas`	`k i'll try reboot X`
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`17:36.45`	`doktoreas`	`now with arial seem fine`
`17:36.47`	`doktoreas`	`thx!`
`17:36.53`	`PhilRod`	`yw`
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`17:38.49`	`PhilRod`	`so report the bugs to the author with backtraces, or help fix them :-)`
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`17:50.35`	`sam^`	`quite amazing that konqueror in kde 3.5 rc1 passes acid2 and supports gmail`
`17:51.33`	`sredna`	`The allmighty google...`
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`17:54.31`	`frb`	`sam^: as google?`
`17:54.40`	`frb`	`sam^: I mean, as konqueror, or are you spoofing stiff`
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`18:01.03`	`lilalinux`	`how do i disable the shortkeys in konqueror?`
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`18:04.48`	`Ayiden`	`Does anyone know how to add a password check to a program to have it run as root in kde... when you start synapatic (debian) or certain parts of kde like kuser you are asked for a password... I would like to add that to a program called grime. How can I do that?`
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`18:05.24`	`PhilRod`	`start it with kdesu`
`18:05.24`	`Ayiden`	`is there a way to have kde automatically ask that for a speical program.. perhaps a special link could be made or would I have to edit the programs source?`
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`18:05.48`	`Ayiden`	`PhilRod: YAY thanks alot`
`18:06.00`	`Ayiden`	`I knew there was an easy solution`
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`18:07.29`	`PhilRod`	`control center -> regional & a11y -> a11y`
`18:07.35`	benJIman`	`I'm typing SQL commands and suddenly keyboard keeps stopping working`
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`18:07.56`	benJIman`	`ah ta`
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`18:53.29`	`lilalinux`	`how do i disable the shortkeys in konqueror?`
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`18:56.50`	`sredna`	`lilalinux: The what?`
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`19:08.43`	`Julianyus`	`hi`
`19:09.12`	`lilalinux`	`sredna: the shortkeys, if you press ctrl there are appearing A-Z0-9 tooltips on the first 36 links`
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`19:13.55`	`anabain`	`hi`
`19:14.16`	`anabain`	`hi, thiesen`
`19:14.33`	`anabain`	`The same weird problem, :(`
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`19:15.21`	`anabain`	`I went to do something off the computer for 1 1/2 hour, and tried then kview`
`19:15.39`	`anabain`	`5 minutes to appear!`
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`19:18.04`	`anabain`	`PhilRod, do you have any ideas? I've reinstalled kdebase and kdelibs, but without success`
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`19:18.42`	`arthurb`	`Hi, do you know a good place to ask questions about kdebluetooth, bluez and the like ?`
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`19:22.17`	`anabain`	`hi, straw`
`19:22.30`	`straw`	`hello anabain`
`19:23.04`	`anabain`	`can you help me? I'm getting weird problems with apps like kview, kuickshow and kwrite`
`19:23.22`	`straw`	`i can try. sure`
`19:23.42`	`anabain`	`they take 5 minutes to appear... I've reinstalled kdebase and kdelibs, without success`
`19:24.12`	`anabain`	`and this delay also affects when trying to start a new session with another user`
`19:24.29`	`anabain`	`the loading windows stops at the second icon, the hdd one`
`19:25.30`	`straw`	`do you have ~/.xsession-errors or something similar?`
`19:25.52`	`anabain`	`yes, but nothing special appears, anyway, I'll try now`
`19:26.08`	`sredna`	`anabain: Is the internet connection working?`
`19:26.59`	`anabain`	`sredna, of course, I'm using it to chat, :)`
`19:27.12`	`anabain`	`and there's also amule CVS running`
`19:27.16`	`anabain`	`QMetaObject::findSignal:KViewViewer: Conflict with KImageViewer::Viewer::imageOpened(const KURL&)`
`19:27.27`	`sredna`	`anabain: Try starting from konsole and view the output`
`19:27.40`	`anabain`	`Straw, this is the last error message from xsession-erros`
`19:27.55`	`anabain`	`no output from konsole, sredna`
`19:28.16`	`anabain`	`only the blank cursor...`
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`19:29.04`	`sredna`	`anabain: Start kwrite from konsole, and tell me where it hangs. Starting from konsole, anything that otherwise goes into ~/.xsession-errors goes to the output`
`19:29.55`	`straw`	`anabain: did you build with debug enabled?`
`19:30.10`	`anabain`	`sredna, actually it doesn't hang, it takes 5 minutes to appear after starting it`
`19:30.36`	`sredna`	`anabain: No output?`
`19:30.43`	`anabain`	`straw, I don't know. I'm using debian sid with the default settings`
`19:30.46`	`sredna`	`And 5 minutes haven't passed yet`
`19:31.27`	`straw`	`anabain: i mean what options did you pass to ./configure?`
`19:31.29`	`anabain`	`I'm trying again, sredna. let's wait`
`19:32.04`	`anabain`	`straw, none. I got the packages from sid.`
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`19:32.23`	`straw`	`oh, i'd thought you compiled`
`19:32.50`	`anabain`	`no, I'm using the standard packages, and get this error from yesterday`
`19:33.16`	`anabain`	`and getting this error since yesterday, excuse me, :)`
`19:33.17`	`straw`	`were there updates yesterday?`
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`19:33.24`	`anabain`	`yes, straw`
`19:34.00`	`sredna`	`I updated yesterday (kde 3.5 branch), and everything works as normal, FWIW`
`19:34.16`	`anabain`	`I have 3.4.2`
`19:34.44`	`anabain`	`Can I update to 3.5 in debian sid?`
`19:34.48`	`kinection`	`hello, how do I view files Chinese characters in file names, it is currently displayed as a jumble of seemingly random characters. Firefox can read Chinese website correctly, and gnome can view the characters correctly too.`
`19:35.29`	`anabain`	`sredna, kwrite has appeared 10 seconds ago`
`19:35.36`	`anabain`	`what do I do now?`
`19:35.45`	`sredna`	`[20:31:30] <anabain> I'm trying again, sredna. Let's wait`
`19:35.57`	`anabain`	`close it? see xsession-errors?`
`19:36.18`	`sredna`	`Well, if there was no output, I can't know where in the startup process it hung`
`19:36.31`	`sredna`	`Katepart is usually quite verbose`
`19:36.36`	`anabain`	`from konsole, nothing`
`19:36.53`	`anabain`	`kate is the other editor?`
`19:36.55`	`sredna`	`You can try opening kdebugdialog and enable areas 13***`
`19:37.42`	`anabain`	`kdebugdialog in konsole?`
`19:37.44`	`sredna`	`After that, start it and see if the process stops`
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`19:38.00`	`sredna`	`Anywhere`
`19:38.22`	`anabain`	`ok`
`19:40.58`	`anabain`	`a list has appeared with a lot of options selected, including 13***, and there is a white box at the top of the window. what have I do?`
`19:41.35`	`sredna`	`If 13*** are enabled, you should see output on konsole if you start kwrite from there`
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`19:42.22`	`anabain`	`these 13*** corresponf to kate`
`19:42.33`	`anabain`	`corrrespond`
`19:42.33`	`Sho_`	`sredna: btw, would be cool if it were possible to "rotate" kates splitters ... turn a vertical split into a horizontal split via a hotkey / splitter context menu`
`19:42.46`	`anabain`	`annma, the same problem, :(`
`19:43.03`	`anabain`	`sredna, and no output from konsole`
`19:43.12`	`annma`	`anabain: what is it that messes your system then?`
`19:43.14`	`sredna`	`anabain: Kwrite is using katepart, so kate (document) etc are used`
`19:43.23`	`anabain`	`ok, sredna`
`19:43.38`	`anabain`	`annma, I don't know`
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`19:43.52`	`annma`	`well whatever but it's not kde itself`
`19:44.05`	`annma`	`it's not debian packages either`
`19:44.06`	`anabain`	`but reinstalling was not successful`
`19:44.10`	`annma`	`it was`
`19:44.12`	`Zxcvb`	`KDE won't automatically run code on a CD or DVD when a disc is inserted, will it?`
`19:44.14`	`sredna`	`Sho_: File a wish.. I didn't ever try to just change the orientation of a splitter, but why not`
`19:44.23`	`annma`	`you said it worked this morning, anabain`
`19:44.39`	`anabain`	`yes, but only for a few minutes`
`19:44.45`	`annma`	`a few minutes?`
`19:44.48`	`anabain`	`yes`
`19:44.53`	`Sho_`	`sredna: Well, when I'm on a smaller screen I tend to switch from vertical to horizontal depending on what's more useful in the situation`
`19:44.59`	`annma`	`reinstall and stop running your script`
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`19:45.19`	`annma`	`be smart and find out what's going on`
`19:45.24`	`anabain`	`annma, I haven't used the script after reinstalling`
`19:45.33`	`annma`	`obviosly we cannot see your install`
`19:45.41`	`annma`	`so what was running then?`
`19:45.42`	`anabain`	`yes`
`19:45.42`	`sredna`	`Sho_: I can think of situations where that would be smart.`
`19:46.08`	`anabain`	`amule, konqueror`
`19:46.40`	`anabain`	`only theses two apps`
`19:46.43`	`annma`	`what about irc?`
`19:46.48`	`anabain`	`no`
`19:46.51`	`annma`	`no?`
`19:47.01`	`annma`	`you went back saying it was working`
`19:47.04`	`annma`	`you were on irc`
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`19:47.18`	`anabain`	`and after that I stopped xchat`
`19:47.32`	`annma`	`but still what user was it?`
`19:47.34`	`anabain`	`I had to go off the computer for 1 1/2 hour`
`19:47.50`	`annma`	`I am not sure you did what I said in any case`
`19:48.03`	`anabain`	`and when I came back, the same problem.`
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`19:48.15`	`annma`	`you came back as an old user`
`19:48.21`	`annma`	`I said to log in as a new user`
`19:48.25`	`anabain`	`what did you say? I created the brend new user`
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`19:49.09`	`annma`	`and you're using the new user now?`
`19:49.09`	`anabain`	`no`
`19:49.10`	`annma`	`see`
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`19:49.10`	`annma`	`why noty?`
`19:49.11`	`annma`	`does it work for the new user/`
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`19:49.39`	`anabain`	`I haven't tried, actually. after reinstalling I tried this user, not the new one...`
`19:49.55`	`annma`	`so you did not folow what I suggested`
`19:50.11`	`anabain`	`I didn't understand you exactly, annma`
`19:50.12`	`annma`	`it's probably your current user messing up things`
`19:50.19`	`anabain`	`I'll try now`
`19:50.19`	`annma`	`try a new user for a few hours`
`19:50.23`	`anabain`	`ok`
`19:50.27`	`annma`	`^^ do you understand that?`
`19:50.34`	`anabain`	`yes, hehehe`
`19:50.37`	`annma`	`log out`
`19:50.39`	`annma`	`reinstall`
`19:50.47`	`annma`	`try a new user for a few hours`
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`19:51.05`	`annma`	`don't run any home madescript`
`19:51.23`	`anabain`	`ok`
`19:51.31`	`annma`	`otherwise you can complain here as loud as you want`
`19:51.43`	`annma`	`we won't be able to see what exactly happens`
`19:51.53`	`anabain`	`ok`
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`19:52.46`	`delmonico`	`[KCrash handler]`
`19:52.48`	`delmonico`	`#7 0xb57de6f9 in KMFolder::noContent () from /opt/kde/lib/libkmailprivate.so`
`19:52.52`	`delmonico`	`whats wrong here?`
`19:52.52`	`delmonico`	`(you need complete backtrace?)`
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`19:53.03`	`delmonico`	`need to get a mail and murphy of cours makes kmail don't start now`
`19:53.29`	`annma`	`delmonico: how did you install kmail?`
`19:53.50`	`delmonico`	`Archlinux binary package, however it worked a hour ago and I didn't update anything`
`19:54.10`	`annma`	`when did you install kde?`
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`19:54.29`	`delmonico`	`installed years ago ;) upgraded to 3.5rc last week I think`
`19:54.50`	`annma`	`so since last week`
`19:55.00`	`delmonico`	`yeah but it worked today ;)`
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`19:55.04`	`annma`	`was everything OK? did you use kmail everyday?`
`19:55.09`	`delmonico`	`yep`
`19:55.14`	`annma`	`so try a new user`
`19:55.19`	`delmonico`	`on it`
`19:55.23`	`annma`	`create a new user`
`19:55.28`	`annma`	`log out`
`19:55.34`	`annma`	`log in as the new user`
`19:55.45`	`annma`	`start kmail`
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`19:56.55`	`delmonico`	`yeah works of course... I'll try to get a backup from my laptop`
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`19:57.26`	`annma`	`try backing up kmailrc in .kde/share/config`
`19:57.35`	`annma`	`from the bad user`
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`20:01.25`	`delmonico`	`works, thanks`
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`20:01.57`	`Sho_`	`sredna: wish filed, link dumped in query`
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`20:08.56`	`sredna`	`Sho_: Ty :)`
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`20:10.04`	`Sho_`	`sredna: I'm still scared of touching trunk, or I'd probably fiddle with it right now ... foregoing adding splitter context menus right from the start, I assume implementing the two rotation actions would be reasonably straightforward`
`20:10.38`	`venzi`	`Hi , please smb help me - how can i delete this file /home/venzi/.kde/share/applnk/kaffeine_part.desktop, thanks`
`20:11.44`	`sredna`	`venzi: Use konqueror and navigate there, and press del`
`20:12.06`	`venzi`	`thanks sredna i'll try`
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`20:13.58`	`kinection`	`how do I get KDE to read Chinese filenames correctly? Freerock Gnome seems to be able to handle it fine.`
`20:16.27`	`venzi`	`it shows me that this file ids malformatted and do nothing`
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`20:18.57`	`annma`	`kinection: read chinese in what app?`
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`20:25.38`	`kinection`	`annma: something like konqueror, just to read filenames`
`20:25.52`	`kinection`	`gaim is fine with Chinese, so is firefox`
`20:25.59`	`annma`	`do you see chinese chars on chinese websites?`
`20:26.02`	`kinection`	`yea`
`20:26.09`	`annma`	`in konqueror?`
`20:26.14`	`kinection`	`oh... let me try that`
`20:26.49`	`kinection`	`annma: yes`
`20:27.06`	`annma`	`so on;y filenames in file manager?`
`20:27.10`	`kinection`	`yea`
`20:27.31`	`kinection`	`annma: i don't want to change my menus and stuff to Chinese though..`
`20:27.46`	`annma`	`so what's wrong exactly?`
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`20:28.39`	`kinection`	`they show up as random symbols like å ä¸ºæ¯å¥³å, (the file names)`
`20:28.48`	`cpw`	`nice`
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`20:29.01`	`kinection`	`well... that was copy and paste, so it might show up elsewhere`
`20:29.17`	`annma`	`did you try changing the font?`
`20:29.21`	`kinection`	`i'm not sure how that works.. but jumpled up symbols and you can't read the file names...`
`20:29.27`	`kinection`	`i tired changing to a Chinese font`
`20:29.46`	`annma`	`where exactly?`
`20:30.22`	`kinection`	`configure konqueror area`
`20:30.29`	`kinection`	`should i be changing it in kcontrol?`
`20:30.46`	`annma`	`configure konqueror, yes, where exactly?`
`20:31.15`	`kinection`	`under appearance`
`20:32.38`	`annma`	`what did you put there?`
`20:33.58`	`kinection`	`what do you mean? I changed it to a chinese font`
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`20:39.34`	`kinection`	`annma: if i move Chinese up above American English in the KControl Center i get Chinese menus but it still doesn't display Chinese file names correctly`
`20:40.19`	`annma`	`but all menus display correctly?`
`20:40.45`	`kinection`	`yea`
`20:41.43`	`annma`	`so it's only filenames in konq file manager`
`20:41.48`	`annma`	`what kde version is it/`
`20:42.37`	`kinection`	`3.4.3`
`20:42.48`	`kinection`	`but i'm using kde i18n zh_cn for 3.4.2`
`20:43.01`	`annma`	`that has nothing ot do with it`
`20:43.19`	`annma`	`kde i18n zh_cn gives you the chinese translation for menus and doc`
`20:43.38`	`annma`	`it has nothing to do with filenames displayed in CHinese`
`20:43.39`	`kinection`	`oh, nothign to do with reading filenames then?`
`20:43.41`	`kinection`	`ok`
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`20:56.26`	`Andy837`	`whats kpersonalize?`
`20:56.48`	`annma`	`kpersoanlizer`
`20:56.57`	`annma`	`the wizard that starts the first time you run kde`
`20:57.10`	`annma`	`you can set some persoanl options here`
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`21:09.45`	`annma`	`anyone with kde svn 3.5 here lease for a quick test?`
`21:10.35`	`lippel`	`annma: i have current libs if that suffices...`
`21:11.00`	`annma`	`base and graphics as well`
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`21:11.33`	`lippel`	`hmm, base is from nov 9th, graphics even from oct 25th`
`21:11.41`	`lippel`	`time for an update`
`21:12.32`	`annma`	`when I run kview I don't get it in the taskbar`
`21:12.37`	`annma`	`that's my bug`
`21:12.51`	`annma`	`I restart kicker and it appears`
`21:13.25`	`lippel`	`appears here...`
`21:13.34`	`annma`	`but not recent kdebase`
`21:13.38`	`annma`	`it's recent`
`21:13.47`	`annma`	`I backed up kickerrc and kviewrc and same`
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`21:14.21`	`annma`	`not sure what else can cause it`
`21:14.55`	`annma`	`lippel: do you know what could cause it?`
`21:15.03`	`annma`	`I see the launchfeedback`
`21:15.04`	`straw`	`works here annma, updated earlier today`
`21:15.10`	`annma`	`weird`
`21:15.23`	`lippel`	`annma: switching desktop or such does not help?`
`21:15.25`	`lippel`	`desktops`
`21:15.50`	`annma`	`actually it does not work when I call it from an external prog in fact`
`21:16.01`	`annma`	`running it from konsole works`
`21:16.10`	`lippel`	`ah, i tried from konsole`
`21:16.26`	`sredna`	`annma: Kview shows up in the taskbar here, kdebase/libs from yesterday, kdegraphics a bit older`
`21:16.42`	`annma`	`sredna: how do you start kview?`
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`21:16.48`	`annma`	`it is when I start it from kmail`
`21:16.49`	`sredna`	`annma: Alt + f2`
`21:16.58`	`annma`	`that works as well here`
`21:17.03`	`sredna`	`Lemme try`
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`21:18.35`	`sredna`	`Works here, annma`
`21:18.46`	`annma`	`weird, what can it be?`
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`21:18.51`	`sredna`	`Using open with... from within kmail`
`21:19.03`	`annma`	`I click on a pic attached in a mail`
`21:19.15`	`annma`	`have the dialog: save as or open with kview`
`21:19.22`	`annma`	`I Pen with KView`
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`21:19.29`	`annma`	`I Open with kview`
`21:19.38`	`anabain`	`hi`
`21:19.40`	`annma`	`and there;s no kview in taskbar`
`21:19.47`	`annma`	`until I restart kicker`
`21:19.53`	`sredna`	`Odd`
`21:20.04`	`annma`	`yes, I cannot see what doe sthat`
`21:20.04`	`sredna`	`Sounds like a issue with kicker`
`21:20.12`	`annma`	`I wanted to check that`
`21:20.18`	`anabain`	`more than an hour with the new user after reinstalling and everything's fine`
`21:20.20`	`annma`	`as I already got 2 bugs crushed`
`21:20.35`	`annma`	`sredna: however I'd need someone to reproduce`
`21:20.49`	`annma`	`I find it a bit thin to report only from me`
`21:21.04`	`sredna`	`annma: To really check I'dneed to change my association for images to point to kview pr default`
`21:21.07`	`sredna`	`Moment, let me try`
`21:21.10`	`anabain`	`but the system was idle, no apps running except kview and kwrite`
`21:21.23`	`annma`	`anabain: so those are fine?`
`21:21.32`	`anabain`	`yes`
`21:21.45`	`annma`	`that's a first conclusion: they are fine by themselves`
`21:22.06`	`anabain`	`there's something interferring, then`
`21:22.52`	`sredna`	`annma: With kview as the default it still works here`
`21:23.02`	`annma`	`sredna: thanks`
`21:23.09`	`lippel`	`same here`
`21:23.10`	`sredna`	`Np :)`
`21:23.11`	`annma`	`no idea what I can check?`
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`21:23.26`	`lippel`	`sredna: you have a current checkout?`
`21:23.29`	`annma`	`how do progs appear in taskbar?`
`21:23.47`	`sredna`	`lippel: Kdebase/libs from yesterday, kdegraphics a few days older`
`21:23.59`	`anabain`	`I thought perhaps CUPS daemon may cause problems, but now it's running and the apps are working fine`
`21:24.11`	`sredna`	`annma: Windows appear there`
`21:24.11`	`annma`	`CUPS should be OK, anabain`
`21:24.19`	`sredna`	`Not progs`
`21:24.29`	`anabain`	`what do you suggest? which is the next step?`
`21:24.34`	`annma`	`progs windows, yes`
`21:24.46`	`lippel`	`annma: what's the command used for kview? here it's 'kview -caption "%c" %i %m '`
`21:24.55`	`lippel`	`maybe the parameters break something?`
`21:25.25`	`annma`	`running form konsole makes it appear`
`21:25.33`	`lippel`	`whatever the placeholders are`
`21:25.37`	`annma`	`only not from external call`
`21:25.59`	`annma`	`anabain: try running a few kde apps`
`21:26.09`	`annma`	`anabain: if nothingbreaks then your user does it`
`21:26.26`	`annma`	`check what your previous user did that the new one doe snot`
`21:27.56`	`annma`	`hmm, it might be my kmailrc then`
`21:28.26`	`straw`	`how can reply to a particular thread in a mailing list digest with kmail?`
`21:28.52`	`anabain`	`kmailrc? are you talking to me, annma?`
`21:29.02`	`annma`	`anabain: no, not to you`
`21:29.06`	`anabain`	`ok`
`21:29.38`	`lippel`	`annma: tried other apps? like akregator`
`21:30.11`	`lippel`	`"Harald Sitter (apachelogger): Blog's Design" on Planet KDE has an image link in it`
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`21:30.47`	`annma`	`it works now from kmail`
`21:30.53`	`annma`	`I backed up kmailrc`
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`21:31.53`	`annma`	`so it got corrupted somewhere`
`21:32.11`	`annma`	`no, damn`
`21:32.21`	`annma`	`it worked once but not twice`
`21:32.34`	`annma`	`lippel: in akregator how do I call kvieew?`
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`21:33.05`	`lippel`	`annma: it should open the "save as", "open with kview", "cancel" dialog`
`21:33.19`	`lippel`	`(after opening a useless empty tab)`
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`21:34.00`	`anabain`	`annma, I've tried some KDE apps and everything is ok.`
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`21:34.29`	`annma`	`anabain: so check what your previosu user ran`
`21:34.43`	`annma`	`lippel: hmm, cannot make akregator propose kview`
`21:34.48`	`annma`	`it previews in a tab`
`21:35.06`	`lippel`	`annma: when clicking on the jpg?`
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`21:35.20`	`annma`	`yes, in kde-look for example`
`21:35.37`	`anabain`	`annma, where? is there any session log of users, or something like that?`
`21:35.57`	`annma`	`anabain: I don't know`
`21:35.57`	`Skrotto`	`How do you pronounce KDE?`
`21:36.00`	`annma`	`use that new user then`
`21:36.03`	`lippel`	`try that image in harald sitter's entry (assuming you have planet kde in there ;) )`
`21:36.07`	`annma`	`Key Di i`
`21:36.21`	`Skrotto`	`I've got a feeling I have to harass the SuSE guy comming to my town to talk about linux :P`
`21:37.01`	`Skrotto`	`Key Di I it is :)`
`21:37.02`	`annma`	`lippel: yes, it works`
`21:37.07`	`annma`	`so it's kmail on;y`
`21:37.27`	`lippel`	`strange`
`21:37.41`	`lippel`	`doesn't kmail also just use that dialog?`
`21:38.11`	`lippel`	`or does it set some parameter akregator does not set?`
`21:38.17`	`annma`	`weird, really`
`21:38.53`	`annma`	`I have 3 kview windows opened and only the one from akregator shows in taskbar`
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`21:42.50`	`annma`	`in akregator from konsole I dont' see the code taht calls kview`
`21:43.38`	`annma`	`I have to go anyway`
`21:43.41`	`anabain`	`rebooting from the new user has caused a kernel panic related to an interrupt error. I had to press the reset button...`
`21:43.50`	`annma`	`bbl, thanks lippel`
`21:43.58`	`annma`	`just forget about that user, anabain`
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`21:52.06`	`larry_cow`	`hi there`
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`21:52.53`	`larry_cow`	`I've a little problem with kdm, there: it starts without error but nothing happens, and when I ask for more verbose behaviour it tells me that kdm_config "can't write to core"`
`21:53.04`	`_guy`	`hi larry, i'm a newbe`
`21:53.04`	`larry_cow`	`it happens just after I updated to 3.5 rc1`
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`21:54.19`	`DirkGently`	`larry_cow: does it start X?`
`21:55.20`	`larry_cow`	`DirkGently: no`
`21:55.26`	`larry_cow`	`I can start X manually`
`21:55.36`	`larry_cow`	`or through xdm (probably gdm too)`
`21:55.38`	`larry_cow`	`but not through kdm`
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`21:56.04`	`DirkGently`	`have you looked in kdmrc?`
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`21:56.39`	`larry_cow`	`DirkGently: I regenerated a new kdm/config/ dir with genkdmconf`
`21:56.52`	`larry_cow`	`so it should be ok, unless I'm told otherwise`
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`22:13.55`	`flicker`	`hi... is anyone here providing support?`
`22:14.24`	`lefty`	`hi`
`22:14.32`	`flicker`	`hi`
`22:15.01`	`lefty`	`when i press next mail in kmail, why he dont go to next folder?`
`22:15.01`	`PhilRod`	`flicker: only if you ask a question :-)`
`22:15.15`	`flicker`	`hehe...`
`22:15.22`	`flicker`	`k... here goes...`
`22:15.51`	`flicker`	`I'm trying to get my camera to automount and kde to display an icon on the desktop`
`22:16.14`	`flicker`	`i'm runninng kde 3.5 RC1 on top of Gentoo`
`22:16.28`	`PhilRod`	`flicker: there's a howto on the KDE wiki: search for 'dbus and kde' or something`
`22:16.35`	`flicker`	`I've installed dbus hal and ivman`
`22:16.44`	`PhilRod`	`there's probably something on the gentoo wiki too, which will be gentoo-specific`
`22:16.45`	`lefty`	`when i press next new mail in kmail, why he dont go to next folder with new mail?`
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`22:17.34`	`flicker`	`k... i get the camera to automount to /media/usbstick but no icon on the desktop`
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`22:18.01`	`flicker`	`I'll try the kde wiki... :D`
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`22:19.15`	`oyvind`	`KDED media manager keeps polling the hell out of my HD controller, and autostarts every time I login, even though I've unchecked it in the control panel. KDE 3.4.3. Is there any solution for this ? I thought hal's polling was enough, don't know why KDED has to do it as well. Seems unnecessary to me.`
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`22:20.38`	`flicker`	`oyvind http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2002/03/msg00305.html`
`22:20.48`	`oyvind`	`flicker: thanks!`
`22:21.28`	`lefty`	`noone an idea?`
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`22:23.59`	`oyvind`	`flicker: hmm, already got all my partitions noatime-mounted.`
`22:24.22`	`PhilRod`	`lefty: I think there's an option somewhere in the KMail config`
`22:24.28`	`flicker`	`hmm... HAL is located at http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fhalexternal link and can be downloaded there as well. Currently KDE does not support version 0.5.0 or later. Use 0.4.8.`
`22:24.36`	`flicker`	`think I found my problem`
`22:25.01`	`PhilRod`	`lefty: settings->configure kmail->misc->when trying to find new messages, loop in all folders`
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`22:26.14`	`lefty`	`thx,the german translation is not very good`
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`22:27.31`	`flicker`	`compiling... x-ing fingers :D`
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`22:31.15`	`drivamgr2005`	`Evening all. I need a bit of help from a developer. I have some video files on my machine which I need to edit, but they are in the wrong format for Kdenlive to deal with. They are mpeg... Is there an app out there either from KDE or source that will edit mpg and mpeg files?`
`22:32.34`	`PhilRod`	`for kde apps, look on kde-apps.org. For non-kde apps, ask on #yourdistro`
`22:32.58`	`drivamgr2005`	`thanks PhilRod`
`22:33.00`	`drivamgr2005`	`I will`
`22:33.26`	`drivamgr2005`	`already asked in the room for my distro, so I will go take a look at the other site`
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`22:53.40`	`en1gma`	`ive been installing and uninstalling quite a few packages today. could someone tell me why in kde control center>sound and multimedia>sound system isnt showing anything in the drop down menu except "auto detect"`
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`23:09.55`	`deitarion`	`Does Konqueror not support a method of mixing fonts to get all necessary glyphs or is my copy just having trouble finding certain glyphs. (eg. Mathematical symbols which Firefox has no trouble finding)`
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`23:11.07`	`termo`	`deitarion: I guess that's covered by QT font substitution`
`23:11.14`	`DirkGently`	`deitarion: you got an example site?`
`23:11.52`	`deitarion`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis (The middle symbol in the reaction diagram at the top of the page)`
`23:12.29`	`termo`	`hmm`
`23:12.33`	`termo`	`does'nt show up here either`
`23:12.42`	`deitarion`	`It should be an arrow and firefox shows it as such perfectly well.`
`23:13.14`	`termo`	`it does in konsole though →`
`23:13.18`	`deitarion`	`In fact, it's a common problem on Wikipedia. Let me just dig up some more problematic examples.`
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`23:14.34`	`deitarion`	`Of course, first I have to wait while Konqueror freezes for over 10-60 seconds while rendering because the page contains Kanji.`
`23:14.45`	`deitarion`	`correction: 10-60 (or over 10)`
`23:17.21`	`termo`	`deitarion: deitarion: You might want to try to run qtconfig and change some font substitutions`
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`23:18.09`	`deitarion`	`I'll give it a look. Also, this page displays fine in Firefox, but NO glyphs are found in Konqueror. (I believe the language is Kannada) --> http://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/ಮುಖ್ಯ_ಪುಟ`
`23:19.30`	`termo`	`deitarion: no dice`
`23:20.18`	`deitarion`	`It should be the fourth item in the 1000+ section of the Wikipedia entry page. (http://www.wikipedia.org/)`
`23:21.10`	`deitarion`	`Anyway, I just checked and I have no Qt font substitutions configured. Does Qt lack automatic font substitution or is it just incomplete?`
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`23:25.10`	`deitarion`	`...because I'm not multilingual, I just like to see all of my glyphs rendering properly. The only problems which are actually troubling me are the lack of math symbols (I'll set up a manual substitution for that) and the 10-60 second full-program freeze which I get whenever Kanji appear in my google search results. (Makes tabbed browsing a pain)`
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`23:26.35`	`frb`	`deitarion: not sure, I have no problem with korean glyphs here`
`23:26.50`	`deitarion`	`If memory serves, neither do I. Gimme a sec to check.`
`23:26.53`	`en1gma`	`anyone here that can tell me why is it when i am in kde>control center>sound and multimedia>sound sytem that test sound works fine but test midi dont`
`23:27.37`	`deitarion`	`en1gma: Maybe your sound card lacks hardware midi support?`
`23:28.08`	`en1gma`	`nope it has full hw support but in kernel i didnt enable that mpu-401 in oss`
`23:28.11`	`en1gma`	`think i should have`
`23:29.18`	`deitarion`	`frb: Korean takes longer than english to render on my system, but not even 5 seconds longer.`
`23:30.38`	`deitarion`	`...same with simplified Chinese.`
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`23:32.34`	`john2`	`whats that application that finds random executables on your system and puts htem into the kmenu ?`
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`23:33.40`	`deitarion`	`Hmm. Kanji in UTF-8 doesn't cause the freeze.`
`23:34.28`	`john2`	`does no one know ?`
`23:34.50`	`deitarion`	`Never mind. The freeze just stopped occurring for no apparent reason. sigh (It'll probably start up again when I lease expect it)`
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`23:35.57`	`deitarion`	`john2: I just create the .desktop files manually. There is a way to tell them "only show if your program exists"`
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`23:36.25`	`john2`	`im talking about a application that searches the system and installs shorcuts to the kmenu not to the desktop`
`23:36.45`	`deitarion`	`.desktop files are used to build menus.`
`23:37.04`	`DirkGently`	`I think that's an old redhat program`
`23:37.08`	`deitarion`	`It's a variation of how Windows does it. (The start menu is a tree of folders)`
`23:37.15`	`DirkGently`	`add non-kde apps`
`23:37.15`	`john2`	`idk i just know it ocmes iwth kde`
`23:37.57`	`deitarion`	`Of course, unless there are already desktop files or some kind of database of app metadata, any menu entries generated in such a fashion will be inferior to hand-created .desktop files.`
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`23:39.36`	`wampus`	`i know this question doesnt really belong here but i think everyone in the xine channel fell asleep...i can play dvd's fine, but when i try to view the dvd menu (with kmplayer) i get an error that says xine is not running. what needs to be done?`
`23:41.00`	`DirkGently`	`john2: kappfinder`
`23:41.05`	`john2`	`thank you!`
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