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| 00:03.57 | PhilKC-Linux | quick question, i notice KDE restores the user session, is there any way to tell it not to, and forget all the session info and start a clean slate so to speak? |
| 00:07.23 | PhilKC-Linux | eer, read the topic, Debian etch, kde 3.4 |
| 00:08.19 | hein | PhilKC-Linux: Sure |
| 00:08.29 | hein | PhilKC-Linux: KControl -> KDE Components -> Session Manager |
| 00:08.57 | PhilKC-Linux | :O, thank you, can't believe i missed that |
| 00:09.56 | hein | PhilKC-Linux: Using the search tab (or the more prominent search box in 3.5s KControl) in KControl works pretty well when you've already arrived at a strong keyword like "session" btw |
| 00:10.42 | PhilKC-Linux | :) |
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| 00:29.50 | SbCl3 | in konqueror how do i get the split-screen view mode where there are two seperate areas where different things can be viewed left and right? |
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| 00:30.54 | frb | SbCl3: View Menu -> Split |
| 00:31.33 | SbCl3 | that's what i thought too, but it isn't on there |
| 00:31.51 | frb | try Ctrl-Shift-L |
| 00:32.02 | SbCl3 | yep, that works |
| 00:32.03 | SbCl3 | thanks |
| 00:32.13 | frb | ctrl-shift-r removes a split |
| 00:32.28 | frb | oh duh, it's the Window menu, not view |
| 00:32.41 | SbCl3 | i don't have a window menu... |
| 00:32.49 | frb | I have 3.5rc1 |
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| 00:53.28 | andersen_hc | gutentag |
| 00:54.05 | andersen_hc | new KDE user and Linux switcher (long time in the coming, but i finally got fed up with windows and replaced it with SUSE on my laptop) |
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| 00:55.42 | andersen_hc | its awefully quiet around here |
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| 00:56.33 | andersen_hc | its there a beagle type search utility on kde? |
| 00:56.38 | andersen_hc | btw |
| 00:58.11 | HuntsMan | Kat |
| 00:58.21 | HuntsMan | and in KDE 4, Tenor will be the Killer App |
| 00:58.38 | andersen_hc | KDE 4 seems to be a far way off tho |
| 00:58.41 | andersen_hc | :\ |
| 00:59.17 | andersen_hc | looking forward to seeing what they cook up for development tools and plasma too |
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| 01:05.02 | LinuxGold | is there any KDE app similiar to grip? |
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| 01:06.14 | LinuxGold | hmm |
| 01:07.12 | kendrick2 | which one is grip? |
| 01:07.16 | kendrick2 | gnome cd ripper? |
| 01:07.39 | LinuxGold | nostatic.org's grip |
| 01:07.48 | LinuxGold | aha |
| 01:08.17 | kendrick2 | ah, it's a player, too |
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| 01:09.06 | kendrick2 | yeah, you can do ogg, too |
| 01:09.10 | joscha | audiocd kio slave? |
| 01:09.21 | LinuxGold | grip froze constantly on SlackWare 10.2 |
| 01:09.24 | LinuxGold | so I gave up grip |
| 01:09.29 | kendrick2 | joscha: yeah, i believe s |
| 01:09.30 | kendrick2 | +o |
| 01:10.26 | kendrick2 | so yeah, i can just browse Konqueror to: audiocd:/Ogg Vorbis |
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| 01:10.49 | daum1 | for kbluetoothd why is it now days when i go to do file transfers via my phone and it..it make me download the entire pictures folder..it use to open the pictures folder and let me browse...also when i do khandsfree via it...it just treats the phone like a folder and doesn't connect to be the headset |
| 01:10.55 | joscha | and settings can be found in kcontrolcenter |
| 01:11.28 | LinuxGold | I see those ogg's. |
| 01:11.33 | LinuxGold | didn't know they were there. |
| 01:11.48 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 01:11.56 | LinuxGold | KDE feature? |
| 01:12.07 | LinuxGold | or it's in CD by default? |
| 01:12.18 | joscha | kde feature calles kio |
| 01:12.43 | joscha | called |
| 01:13.29 | LinuxGold | how does that work? I mean in simple theory... |
| 01:14.10 | kendrick2 | kio :) |
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| 01:14.21 | kendrick2 | it's a KDE feature, of course |
| 01:14.25 | LinuxGold | ok kio.c then |
| 01:14.25 | LinuxGold | :) |
| 01:14.44 | LinuxGold | do it have 4 thingie routine? |
| 01:14.47 | LinuxGold | like title, song, etc |
| 01:15.01 | kendrick2 | "4 thingie"? |
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| 01:15.26 | kendrick2 | Package: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins |
| 01:15.33 | kendrick2 | "This package allow audio CDs to be browsed like a file system using Konqueror and the audiocd:/ URL." |
| 01:15.51 | LinuxGold | ok... heard of jinzora? |
| 01:16.14 | kendrick2 | nope |
| 01:16.32 | LinuxGold | http://www.jinzora.com/ |
| 01:16.42 | joscha | .com? |
| 01:16.48 | kendrick2 | "Jinzora is a web based media streaming and management system, designed to stream audio and video files to any internet connected computer - anytime, anywhere" |
| 01:16.52 | LinuxGold | yes |
| 01:16.56 | kendrick2 | .com appears to be identical |
| 01:16.58 | kendrick2 | that's odd |
| 01:17.03 | kendrick2 | are they an org or a commercial entity? |
| 01:17.07 | LinuxGold | no idea. |
| 01:17.08 | LinuxGold | :) |
| 01:17.11 | LinuxGold | anyway |
| 01:17.31 | LinuxGold | I am wondering if kio copies something like band's name, title, song etc (Sorry, I'm deaf trying to learn these things) |
| 01:17.37 | LinuxGold | I'm too used with just pop CD and play |
| 01:17.51 | kendrick2 | yes, it picks those up |
| 01:17.55 | LinuxGold | kewlio! |
| 01:17.56 | kendrick2 | i stuck in FSOL disc and it knew all the titles |
| 01:18.07 | LinuxGold | it also supports ogg |
| 01:18.12 | kendrick2 | on my box, yeah :) |
| 01:18.18 | LinuxGold | kio uses CDDA or another source? |
| 01:18.20 | kendrick2 | flac, wav, ogg |
| 01:18.24 | joscha | ogg wav mp3 flac |
| 01:19.04 | LinuxGold | I got 2 CD's can I copy both at same time? |
| 01:19.08 | LinuxGold | I mean CD drives |
| 01:19.17 | kendrick2 | probably! |
| 01:19.41 | joscha | try audiocd:/dev/cdrom1 perhaps.... dunno |
| 01:19.51 | kendrick2 | mm.. good point |
| 01:20.06 | kendrick2 | interesting |
| 01:20.11 | LinuxGold | another CD-ROM didn't show up on desktop. |
| 01:20.14 | LinuxGold | hmm |
| 01:20.28 | kendrick2 | can i point konq to a dump of an audio cd, e.g.: audiocd:/home/kendrick/hugefile.iso ? |
| 01:21.13 | joscha | don't think so |
| 01:21.31 | joscha | but never tried |
| 01:21.53 | kendrick2 | neato |
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| 01:23.52 | LinuxGold | ln -s /dev/hdd /dev/cdrom1 |
| 01:24.11 | LinuxGold | root@LinuxOne:~# ls -alt /dev/cdrom* |
| 01:24.11 | LinuxGold | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2005-11-22 20:23 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/hdd |
| 01:24.11 | LinuxGold | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2005-09-30 12:57 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc |
| 01:24.20 | illogic-al | 3.5's kdebase is all sorts of broken. There are entity problems. |
| 01:25.09 | illogic-al | I'd fix but I'm not entirely sure whether this person'd entity belongs in the global entities file or just the handbook's |
| 01:25.11 | LinuxGold | how do I introduce /dev/cdrom1 to KDE? |
| 01:25.37 | illogic-al | in any case, anonsvn is a bit behind the login server so it may be fixed already. |
| 01:26.38 | LinuxGold | looks like AudioCDs are limited to only one. |
| 01:27.04 | illogic-al | LinuxGold: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:27.15 | LinuxGold | illogic-al: copying 2 CD's at same time into ogg |
| 01:27.43 | illogic-al | LinuxGold: so you need your copy program to see both. what program are you using? |
| 01:27.54 | LinuxGold | konqueror |
| 01:28.04 | LinuxGold | It got neat feature that copies CD into ogg |
| 01:29.00 | illogic-al | do it does. I personally use k3b for that which is easier, but each to his own. |
| 01:29.12 | illogic-al | i believe that konq uses audiocd:/ |
| 01:29.23 | joscha | its not really a konqoeror feature... its the kio interface |
| 01:29.49 | illogic-al | in kcontrol there is the audiocd:/ configuration module |
| 01:30.04 | illogic-al | Sound -> Audio CDs (not surprisingly) |
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| 01:30.19 | illogic-al | Check [x] Determine device automatically |
| 01:30.20 | LinuxGold | I'm already there. |
| 01:30.39 | LinuxGold | I just symlinked /dev/hdd to /dev/cdrom1 just now. |
| 01:30.44 | LinuxGold | while I'm in KDE |
| 01:31.14 | illogic-al | otherwise audiocd:/ will probably only read from one device (not that i've tried something like /deve/cdrom*, but i digress) |
| 01:31.34 | illogic-al | then in konqueror go to the services tab |
| 01:31.44 | illogic-al | your CDs should show up. |
| 01:32.18 | LinuxGold | hmm |
| 01:32.19 | LinuxGold | only 1 |
| 01:32.31 | illogic-al | wow. |
| 01:32.45 | illogic-al | world of warcraft install is over 2 gigs |
| 01:32.50 | LinuxGold | oh well, I will have to be patient, copying 30 CD's tonight. |
| 01:33.01 | LinuxGold | illogic-al: wtf?! |
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| 01:35.35 | illogic-al | LinuxGold: you can start two instances of k3b... |
| 01:36.16 | LinuxGold | k3b do oggenc? |
| 01:36.21 | illogic-al | yessir |
| 01:36.25 | illogic-al | and lame |
| 01:36.30 | illogic-al | and monkey's audio |
| 01:36.32 | illogic-al | and flac |
| 01:36.44 | illogic-al | and suckyucky wav |
| 01:36.46 | LinuxGold | kewlio |
| 01:38.10 | LinuxGold | which version is the most stable? |
| 01:38.14 | LinuxGold | (k3b that is) |
| 01:38.45 | illogic-al | the newest |
| 01:38.57 | LinuxGold | 0.12.7 |
| 01:38.57 | LinuxGold | ok |
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| 01:40.59 | hunter212 | hello |
| 01:41.08 | illogic-al | Nowadays men lead lives of noisy desperation. |
| 01:41.13 | illogic-al | that's what google told me |
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| 01:41.59 | Phoul | Umm |
| 01:42.05 | Phoul | How do i change the kmenu button? |
| 01:43.09 | annma | faq link in topic - http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 |
| 01:43.45 | Phoul | is it in there? |
| 01:44.28 | Phoul | Umm |
| 01:44.54 | Phoul | I would like to find a theme but this button is a kubuntu thing |
| 01:47.20 | Phoul | Anyone? |
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| 01:49.03 | shadrach | does kde have its own ftp app? |
| 01:50.02 | illogic-al | hmmm |
| 01:50.11 | illogic-al | what to build after kdebase... |
| 01:51.44 | Phoul | Can somone tell me how to *only* change the kde menu button only? |
| 01:51.49 | Phoul | I use kubuntu |
| 01:52.59 | illogic-al | Phoul: you mean the icon? |
| 01:53.06 | Phoul | Yeah |
| 01:53.11 | Phoul | I cant figure it out |
| 01:54.01 | illogic-al | well, you have to change the icon :-) it's somewhere in $KDEDIR/share/icons or ~/.kde/share/icons |
| 01:54.11 | illogic-al | the name is kmenu.png |
| 01:54.14 | Phoul | Well |
| 01:54.18 | Phoul | Where is it in kubuntu? |
| 01:54.24 | illogic-al | and you have to change it for all sizes. |
| 01:54.32 | Phoul | 0_o |
| 01:54.33 | illogic-al | I don't know where it is in kubuntu. |
| 01:54.45 | illogic-al | you get to find use |
| 01:54.49 | illogic-al | we have kfind |
| 01:55.28 | Phoul | Are there any theme manager themes with kubuntu things? |
| 01:55.53 | illogic-al | you can go to kde-look.org and find out |
| 01:55.58 | Phoul | I did |
| 01:55.58 | Phoul | ... |
| 01:56.04 | Phoul | There wasnt any but that dont make sence |
| 01:56.06 | illogic-al | they have a search box somehwere on the site |
| 01:56.51 | illogic-al | Phoul: there's also #kubuntu for kubuntu related help |
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| 01:58.02 | illogic-al | you are a phoul. |
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| 01:58.57 | LinuxGold | program eject is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO |
| 01:59.55 | dwango | i need to switch to something other than gentoo |
| 02:00.00 | dwango | how's kubuntu? |
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| 02:00.37 | illogic-al | oh wow. |
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| 02:00.42 | illogic-al | that's fast. |
| 02:01.21 | LinuxGold | what fast? |
| 02:04.10 | LinuxGold | erm |
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| 02:04.11 | illogic-al | my downlaod speed for the 2 gig WoW installer |
| 02:04.35 | illogic-al | it's at 1100 KB/s now (and going down steadily :-( ) |
| 02:04.50 | illogic-al | but when i noticed it it was near 6000 KB/s |
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| 02:09.20 | shadrach | wow |
| 02:09.24 | shadrach | thats sick |
| 02:09.29 | shadrach | what kind of connection? |
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| 02:23.19 | illogic-al | shadrach: cable. |
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| 02:23.25 | shadrach | kk |
| 02:23.32 | blanky | how can I make it so I have to double click on things (like icons) insteda of click once |
| 02:23.38 | illogic-al | it's gone down now :-( settled @ ~275ish |
| 02:23.48 | rutski89 | I like klipper, but it blocks "Ctrl+Alt+V" in EMacs, is there any way to turn Klipper's "Ctrl+Alt+V" functionality off? |
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| 02:24.23 | illogic-al | but it was actually going @ 5000ish KB/s becasue it downloaded 300 MB in a matter of minutes. |
| 02:25.08 | illogic-al | well, it would have had to be _a minute_ wouldn't it :-) |
| 02:25.52 | Gentle | anybody knows when 3.5 will be officially released? Gentoo has the ebuilds again and obviously fails downloading |
| 02:26.38 | blanky | how can I make it so I have to double click on things (like icons) insteda of click once |
| 02:26.59 | Gentle | blanky, kde control center, peripherals, mouse. somewhere there |
| 02:27.24 | blanky | thank |
| 02:27.25 | blanky | s |
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| 02:29.48 | blanky | how can I edit my menu |
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| 02:30.04 | illogic-al | blanky: right click on it |
| 02:30.05 | blanky | and where can I find kcontrol center (I always have to type in terminal to get to it :() in the menu |
| 02:30.10 | blanky | thanks |
| 02:30.15 | Zxcvb | any idea how long qt should take to compile on a 1.4ghz p4? |
| 02:30.18 | illogic-al | blanky: right click on the kmenu icon in the panel |
| 02:30.20 | shadrach | is there kde ftp? |
| 02:30.23 | illogic-al | and then choose kmenuedit |
| 02:30.24 | Gentle | blanky, the menu entry is called "control center" |
| 02:30.36 | illogic-al | or just run kmenuedit from the alt+f2 run box |
| 02:31.36 | blanky | Gentle: you know where in the menu? thanks for the info though |
| 02:31.56 | Gentle | for me it's 4th above "Actions" from the bottom |
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| 02:34.48 | blanky | is there a way to make it so the icons aren't always thumbnails |
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| 02:36.41 | kdetest | hawt |
| 02:37.03 | kdetest | Qt: 3.3.4 |
| 02:37.03 | kdetest | KDE: 3.5 (RC1) |
| 02:37.03 | kdetest | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 02:37.23 | kdetest | I pwN j00 4LL |
| 02:37.54 | kdetest | ph34r my m1ghty |
| 02:38.09 | shadrach | hehe |
| 02:38.17 | shadrach | ( Operating System ) Linux Arch Linux 0.7.1 (Noodle) Kernel: .6.14-ARCH, GNU/Linux - Xorg: 6.8.2 - Desktop: KDE: 3.5.0 - IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.6.0 |
| 02:38.23 | kdetest | /:-) |
| 02:38.24 | shadrach | ^^ same |
| 02:38.25 | shadrach | :P |
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| 02:38.42 | shadrach | actually, i have to logout for my 3.5.0.2 |
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| 02:38.59 | blanky | guys I have a very fast pc and graphics card, why do my windows lag when I move them... |
| 02:39.17 | shadrach | bad drivers? |
| 02:39.22 | blanky | no, they're good |
| 02:39.32 | shadrach | xorg.conf? |
| 02:39.32 | kdetest | shadrach: nope, X 6.9. I still win :-p |
| 02:39.32 | blanky | I've tested them in many games (UT2K4, ET, etc.) |
| 02:39.44 | blanky | xorg.conf, I set a backingstop setting in it to make it better, and it's worked, a bit |
| 02:39.59 | shadrach | what distro? |
| 02:40.12 | kdetest | blanky: becasue you don't have acceleration turned on. |
| 02:40.20 | blanky | ohhh, how can I turn it on kdetest, please tell me |
| 02:40.22 | blanky | in my xorg.conf ? |
| 02:40.24 | kdetest | you need your gfx cards' fdrivers for that. |
| 02:40.30 | blanky | I have it |
| 02:40.31 | blanky | Them |
| 02:40.38 | kdetest | blanky: which ones? |
| 02:40.42 | shadrach | are they loaded in xorg.conf? |
| 02:40.43 | blanky | they work, I've tested them in UT2K4 and ET, and AA |
| 02:40.44 | blanky | they're really fast |
| 02:40.45 | blanky | yes |
| 02:40.47 | blanky | ATI |
| 02:41.17 | kdetest | blanky: then put Option "RenderAceel" "true" in the device section of your xorg.conf file |
| 02:41.24 | kdetest | gah |
| 02:41.31 | kdetest | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.39 | blanky | Ah, thanks! |
| 02:41.46 | kdetest | hmm. ATI doesn't have renderaccel. nm |
| 02:42.26 | blanky | you sure? |
| 02:42.32 | blanky | so it wont work? |
| 02:42.41 | kdetest | nope, not sure :-) |
| 02:42.42 | shadrach | ew |
| 02:42.43 | kdetest | try |
| 02:42.46 | shadrach | get nvidia |
| 02:42.47 | shadrach | :) |
| 02:42.51 | kdetest | heheh |
| 02:43.40 | shadrach | nvidia likes linux |
| 02:43.42 | shadrach | ati doesnt |
| 02:43.52 | kdetest | rubbish. |
| 02:44.26 | kdetest | they both don't give an arse. their just looking to make momney. |
| 02:44.29 | Gentle | they both don't like linux, but nvidia has a portable driver core while ati has specific windows and linux drivers |
| 02:44.59 | Gentle | in other words, if ATI fixes a bug, they ignore linux. If nvidia fixes a bug, any OS benefits from the fix |
| 02:45.02 | kdetest | i like how i said it better :-) |
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| 02:45.34 | blanky | kdetest is right |
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| 02:45.46 | blanky | and so is gentle |
| 02:45.48 | kdetest | as usual |
| 02:46.10 | blanky | so hah, screw all those people who think otherwise. They both dont give jack otherwise they'd give out their drivers so they could be worked on |
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| 02:49.33 | [x]illogic-al | yes or no? |
| 02:50.06 | mae | you know what |
| 02:50.11 | Gumby | does anyone here know if it is possible to jump to the first message in a folder when it is clicked on in kontact/kmail? |
| 02:50.11 | mae | you guys are AWESOME |
| 02:50.24 | mae | i'm idling all the time and whenever i have a question, you guys are so on top of it.! |
| 02:50.36 | [x]illogic-al | Gumby: it is indeed possible |
| 02:51.13 | Gumby | [x]illogic-al: any idea where? I see jump to first new message, jump to first new or unread, or jump to last read message. |
| 02:51.29 | [x]illogic-al | Gumby: somewhere in settings |
| 02:51.41 | [x]illogic-al | kmail settings not kontact settings. |
| 02:51.50 | [x]illogic-al | Settings -> Configure KMail |
| 02:52.31 | Gumby | [x]illogic-al: Ive been looking through there. I dont see the option to jump to the first message in a folder |
| 02:52.38 | Gumby | only unread or new messages |
| 02:53.55 | Oleg_ | listen |
| 02:53.56 | [x]illogic-al | Gumby: lemme check. |
| 02:54.08 | [x]illogic-al | you may very well be correct. |
| 02:55.32 | Oleg_ | why does it say during configuring of kdelibs "configure:3302: checking dependency style of gcc |
| 02:55.32 | Oleg_ | configure:3392: result: gcc3 |
| 02:55.32 | Oleg_ | " |
| 02:55.45 | Oleg_ | if my compiler is gcc-4.0.2? |
| 03:00.06 | illogic-al | Gumby: you are correct. it's jump to first _new_ message in folder, not first message. |
| 03:02.45 | Oleg_ | people! |
| 03:02.54 | Oleg_ | is it supposed to be this way? |
| 03:03.08 | Oleg_ | should it say gcc3 even though the compiler is 4.x? |
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| 03:07.50 | annma | Oleg_: in konsole |
| 03:07.54 | annma | gcc --version |
| 03:07.57 | annma | paste result |
| 03:08.07 | Oleg_ | gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 |
| 03:08.08 | illogic-al | Oleg_: DO YOU ONLY HAVE GCC 4 ON YOUR COMPUTER? |
| 03:08.16 | illogic-al | ack. sorry. |
| 03:08.23 | oGALAXYo | he has a mixed system |
| 03:08.32 | annma | hmm, look in config.log |
| 03:08.35 | oGALAXYo | as he told earlier he had everything compiled with gcc 3 and now switched to gcc 4 |
| 03:08.37 | annma | find gcc |
| 03:08.43 | annma | yes |
| 03:08.52 | annma | probably did not set gcc4 as default |
| 03:09.04 | Gentle | I can only tell you that kde insisted on linking against gcc3 libs even with gcc4 installed |
| 03:09.15 | Oleg_ | configure:2689: gcc --version </dev/null >&5 |
| 03:09.15 | Oleg_ | gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 |
| 03:09.17 | Gentle | personally, I made the gcc3 lib directory be a symlink to gcc4's |
| 03:09.36 | annma | ouch |
| 03:09.41 | annma | that's drastik |
| 03:09.47 | Gentle | when uninstalling gcc3 and removing anything, kde just refused to compile because of missing libs |
| 03:09.52 | illogic-al | Gentle: were you rebuilding an old build of kde? |
| 03:09.57 | annma | Oleg_: in configure.log |
| 03:10.04 | Oleg_ | annma: yes? |
| 03:10.07 | annma | find gcc path |
| 03:10.11 | Gentle | illogic-al, no, I was upgrading from beta1 to beta2 |
| 03:10.28 | Oleg_ | PATH: /gcc/bin |
| 03:10.41 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.44 | annma | is taht a PATH? |
| 03:10.50 | illogic-al | Gentle: svn up or completely new checkout? |
| 03:10.55 | annma | in config.log |
| 03:10.55 | Oleg_ | yeah, that's where I installed gcc-4.0.2 |
| 03:11.05 | annma | is it from config.log? |
| 03:11.08 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: thats quite broken |
| 03:11.08 | Oleg_ | yes |
| 03:11.18 | annma | paste the whole line |
| 03:11.29 | annma | not some bits like taht |
| 03:11.33 | Oleg_ | that was the whole line |
| 03:11.39 | Gentle | illogic-al, beta1 had tarballs as well as beta2 had, so I was using a completely new directory structure for beta2, simply because I untared other tarballs somewhere else |
| 03:11.52 | annma | so where does it say gcc3 then? |
| 03:11.53 | Gentle | it can't be configure junks still lying around |
| 03:12.13 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: why dont you install gcc 4 correctly ? |
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| 03:12.15 | annma | if your gcc is correctly installed there's no way it's no picked up |
| 03:12.19 | Oleg_ | configure:3302: checking dependency style of gcc |
| 03:12.19 | Oleg_ | configure:3392: result: gcc3 |
| 03:12.27 | annma | Oleg_: and make |
| 03:12.30 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: gcc 3 and 4 create different subdirs with correct version so they can coexists on the same prefix. |
| 03:12.36 | annma | does it make with gcc4 or not? |
| 03:12.52 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: besides that it needs to find the stdc++ lib which it cant due to your own 'customized' installation. |
| 03:13.01 | annma | yes, I once had 3 gcc versions on my system |
| 03:13.03 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: your system is quite broken, thats why you run into all these issues. |
| 03:13.05 | illogic-al | Gentle: maybe kde uses .la files and they have instructions directing linkage to old gcc? |
| 03:13.08 | Oleg_ | what? |
| 03:13.21 | illogic-al | i dunno. uessing wildly as only i can |
| 03:13.21 | Oleg_ | it can find stdc++ |
| 03:13.21 | annma | Oleg_: when you run make, what gcc is running???? |
| 03:13.23 | Gentle | illogic-al, where should those files be, then? |
| 03:13.23 | oGALAXYo | no "what?". its a fact |
| 03:13.33 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: it finds the stdc++ from gcc 3 but not from gcc 4 |
| 03:13.52 | illogic-al | Gentle: they're installed in the lib directory along with the .so files. |
| 03:13.57 | Oleg_ | oGALAXYo: but I deleted libstdc++.la |
| 03:14.01 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: your broken installation and you keep confusing and irritating the people here. |
| 03:14.03 | Oleg_ | oGALAXYo: the old one |
| 03:14.10 | annma | it's easier to compile from the real gcc tarball than from LFS in fact |
| 03:14.16 | oGALAXYo | the .la file is an obstacle from libtool and has nothing to do with libstc++ |
| 03:14.28 | annma | oggb4mp3: that's stupid |
| 03:14.31 | Gentle | libtool sucks heavily btw ;) |
| 03:14.47 | annma | Gentle: no doubt you wrote a better tool |
| 03:14.58 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: if you dont know what you are doing, then please dont do it. but please stop bugging people with your obviously broken setup of the system. its annyoing going through stuff with you that is totally irrelevant for KDE |
| 03:15.07 | Gentle | illogic-al, I figured that much, libtool was causing the "gcc3 needed" errors |
| 03:15.22 | annma | Gentle: that's a lame excuse for lame systems |
| 03:15.25 | Oleg_ | so, kdelibs are compiling with the old libs now? |
| 03:15.26 | oGALAXYo | Gentle: libtool sucks heavily yes. i still recommend people to use -pic and -PIC to lib creation. |
| 03:15.48 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: if you dont know what youa re doing then dont do it. |
| 03:15.57 | annma | just what I was going to write |
| 03:16.03 | annma | seriously Oleg_ |
| 03:16.12 | annma | upgrading gcc |
| 03:16.18 | annma | this is not for you |
| 03:16.29 | Gentle | annma, I wouldn't call libtool buggy or bad or anything, it does what it should do, but it has major flaws which are quite not understandable |
| 03:16.31 | annma | ask in #lfs and fix that yourself |
| 03:16.36 | oGALAXYo | if you compile and install gcc 4.0.2 in /gcc/bin then you can be sure that nothing will find it. |
| 03:16.50 | Oleg_ | of course, it isn't because I didn't read the instructions |
| 03:16.50 | annma | Gentle: yeah but noone did better so far |
| 03:16.55 | oGALAXYo | not to mention that all the libraries it created wont be found either, its no common path and no common lib prefix. |
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| 03:17.07 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: you didnt read the documents |
| 03:17.16 | oGALAXYo | otherwise you would know that a proper compile of gcc should be this |
| 03:17.27 | oGALAXYo | ./configure --prefix=/usr && make bootstrap && make install |
| 03:17.53 | oGALAXYo | Gentle: libtool sucks. |
| 03:17.56 | oGALAXYo | :) |
| 03:18.17 | Gentle | oGALAXYo, but, just for annma, that still doesn't make it bad as there's nothing better ;) |
| 03:18.19 | Oleg_ | oGALAXYo: but I changed --prefix to /gcc |
| 03:18.27 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: and thats wrong |
| 03:18.29 | oGALAXYo | damnit its wrong |
| 03:18.39 | [x]illogic-al | lmao |
| 03:18.43 | Oleg_ | so what the hell kdelibs is compiling now? |
| 03:18.43 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: if you dont know what you do then please STOP doing it |
| 03:18.45 | [x]illogic-al | oh this is getting good. |
| 03:18.50 | Oleg_ | it's linking with wrong libs? |
| 03:18.52 | Gentle | Oleg_, gcc3 |
| 03:18.52 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: and please stop wasting the kde people's time |
| 03:18.57 | [x]illogic-al | i was gonna play quake 4 but i'm gonna hang around for this. |
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| 03:19.41 | oGALAXYo | jesus, he's doing this for weeks now.. |
| 03:19.57 | oGALAXYo | we keep wasting our time by helping him solving his broken system. its really annoying. |
| 03:19.58 | [_]illogic-al | oGALAXYo: more like years |
| 03:20.12 | oGALAXYo | what years ? and he still dont get it ? |
| 03:20.15 | oGALAXYo | tztztztztz |
| 03:20.27 | [_]illogic-al | being annoying that is, not installing gcc |
| 03:20.32 | Oleg_ | maybe the system is broken, but so far everything works beautifully on my system |
| 03:20.40 | oGALAXYo | no it doesnt |
| 03:20.47 | Oleg_ | so it doesn't matter to me it's broken |
| 03:20.47 | [_]illogic-al | Oleg_: like gcc 4 compiling kde right... |
| 03:20.49 | oGALAXYo | if it works then you wont come here asking why GCC 4 fails |
| 03:21.07 | oGALAXYo | what a lamer |
| 03:21.29 | Gumby | --prefix /gcc ?? |
| 03:21.31 | oGALAXYo | normal users should stick to a good distribution. |
| 03:21.32 | Oleg_ | oGALAXYo: you mean gcc4 is compiling kdelibs now, but they get linked with wrong libs? |
| 03:21.45 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: no, i mean you are a clueless |
| 03:21.51 | [_]illogic-al | lol |
| 03:21.56 | oGALAXYo | and i mean you are wasting our time. |
| 03:22.43 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: people in the other kde channel keep making funny jokes about you already. some of the KDE women are up to totally ban you because of your annoyance but you are still welcome.. so please stop playing up your last cards and stop this. |
| 03:22.58 | Oleg_ | KDE women? |
| 03:23.02 | Oleg_ | why women? |
| 03:23.09 | oGALAXYo | ask all you want about KDE but stop wasting our time with your broken system. |
| 03:23.16 | Oleg_ | oh, yeah, gcc wasn't related to kde |
| 03:23.23 | Oleg_ | sure |
| 03:23.49 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: canlaith and annma are both woman and they feel totally irritated by you. |
| 03:24.18 | Oleg_ | why? |
| 03:24.18 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: and you keep irritating the hell out of normal people who come here asking for normal help about kde. |
| 03:24.31 | oGALAXYo | because i say so. because you dont realize it by your own. so someone must tell you. |
| 03:25.06 | Oleg_ | okay, let's change the subject |
| 03:25.22 | Oleg_ | let's talk about the beauty that kde 3.5 rc1 is |
| 03:25.25 | oGALAXYo | annma and cannleith spent more time in helping you than getting work done for improving kde.. that was quite fair till now. |
| 03:25.47 | Oleg_ | no, no, no |
| 03:25.54 | Oleg_ | that's where you are wrong |
| 03:25.59 | Oleg_ | they chose to help people |
| 03:26.09 | Oleg_ | so they help me and others equally |
| 03:26.11 | Gumby | Oleg_: I am just a casual observer, but it apears you are trying to do something that you have no clue about. I suggest a bit of research when trying out new commands and settings for those commands. ie: what --prefix= does when compiling and why its suggested that you use the directories that it suggets |
| 03:26.33 | oGALAXYo | i agree with Gumby here |
| 03:26.59 | Oleg_ | let's talk about kde 3.5rc1 already! |
| 03:27.07 | Gumby | Oleg_: and your manners are lacking also. When you ask for help it is quite rude to start with "listen" and "people!" |
| 03:27.16 | Oleg_ | I always say please |
| 03:27.17 | oGALAXYo | i agree with Gumby here |
| 03:27.29 | oGALAXYo | i don't agree with Oleg_ here |
| 03:27.57 | Oleg_ | I say thank you, please, and etc. |
| 03:28.06 | Gumby | Oleg_: from my observations, and you may not mean it this way, but its how you came off to me, it seemed like you came in demanding for help and were impatient when it didnt come to you right away |
| 03:28.19 | oGALAXYo | i agree with Gumby here |
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| 03:28.40 | Oleg_ | Gumby: listen, people, wasn't rude |
| 03:28.49 | oGALAXYo | i don't agree with Oleg_ here |
| 03:28.50 | Oleg_ | I wasn't talking to anyone specifically |
| 03:28.51 | Gumby | Oleg_: and things like gcc etc are more related to your distro than it is to kde. |
| 03:28.54 | oGALAXYo | :) |
| 03:28.54 | Oleg_ | ask annma |
| 03:29.02 | Oleg_ | I always say thanks when she helps me |
| 03:29.03 | oGALAXYo | annma left because of your annoyance |
| 03:29.05 | Oleg_ | I say please |
| 03:29.09 | Oleg_ | I even say hi |
| 03:29.14 | Oleg_ | when I come to the channel |
| 03:29.20 | Oleg_ | which is not required here |
| 03:29.28 | Gumby | Oleg_: you may nt have intended to be, but remember, this is IRC and we cant tell emotion or intent here. Our only way to judge is by the words you use. |
| 03:29.57 | Gumby | Oleg_: and as I said before, this is just my observation in the last 30 minutes or so that I have been here. |
| 03:30.43 | Gumby | Oleg_: I am not typing this to argue or put you down, in fact its yo try and help you out so that maybe you get the answers you seek in the future easier |
| 03:30.52 | Gumby | yo/ro |
| 03:30.54 | Gumby | gah |
| 03:30.56 | Gumby | yo/to |
| 03:31.10 | Oleg_ | "Listen, people" is not rude |
| 03:31.22 | Oleg_ | rude is yo |
| 03:31.41 | Oleg_ | but I agree about gcc |
| 03:31.43 | Gumby | Oleg_: it might not seem that way to you |
| 03:31.48 | Oleg_ | that I shouldn't ask it here |
| 03:32.14 | Gumby | when you say "Listen, people" you are implying that everyone that reads it stop what they are doing and pay attention to you. |
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| 03:32.43 | Oleg_ | no, here, it was like I didn't know anybody was around |
| 03:32.45 | Gumby | "Listen" is a command, "people" is all of us here. You are basically commanding everyone to listen. |
| 03:32.51 | Oleg_ | I always say please and etc. |
| 03:33.00 | Oleg_ | because this is how adults act |
| 03:33.08 | Gumby | Oleg_: no, its not. |
| 03:33.46 | Gumby | when you start a conversation by commanding people it immediatly turns people off |
| 03:35.13 | Oleg_ | It might have seemed rude to you because I wasn't like in a indetermined state |
| 03:35.21 | Oleg_ | didn't know who was listening to me |
| 03:35.30 | oGALAXYo | jesus... he's still talking... |
| 03:35.34 | Oleg_ | but I always say please |
| 03:35.45 | oGALAXYo | please ... STOP IT NOW ! |
| 03:35.48 | Oleg_ | okay |
| 03:36.04 | Oleg_ | but I agree with you on all your points |
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| 03:37.03 | Gumby | Oleg_: if you dont take what I have to say as a casual user and observer of your interaction with the channel then you seriously have issues. Up until now I have not been at all confrontational with you, quite the contrary. I have been trying to tell you how you come off to the people with the channel. When you rub people the wrong way, they are going to help you less, plain and simple. |
| 03:37.31 | Oleg_ | Gumby: I said already, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT |
| 03:37.35 | Gumby | you may not mean it, but you can pretty much ask any active person in this channel and they will tell you the same thing I am saying |
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| 03:37.58 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: and please learn to not always have the LAST WORD |
| 03:38.06 | Oleg_ | hehe |
| 03:38.06 | Gumby | good, now go read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 03:38.09 | oGALAXYo | i feel sorry for your parents. |
| 03:38.18 | Oleg_ | oGALAXYo: that was rude |
| 03:38.30 | oGALAXYo | yeah but i give a flying fuck now. |
| 03:39.10 | straw | no need to make it personal |
| 03:39.10 | Oleg_ | I don't wanna say the LAST WORD, I am just saying I agree with you on everything! |
| 03:39.52 | Oleg_ | I 100% understand that both of you are completely right about rudeness and gcc |
| 03:40.26 | oGALAXYo | another one on my ignore list |
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| 03:41.34 | Oleg_ | oGALAXYo: I apologize if I seem a moron to you |
| 03:41.40 | Oleg_ | oGALAXYo: please forgive me |
| 03:41.44 | oGALAXYo | s/seem// |
| 03:41.51 | straw | come on, Oleg_ has some youthful exuberance to work out :) |
| 03:41.54 | Gentle | oGALAXYo, you lied! |
| 03:43.12 | oGALAXYo | ClayG someone told me you are a good cocksmoker, and your mic is shaped like a dick |
| 03:43.14 | oGALAXYo | err |
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| 03:43.18 | oGALAXYo | Oleg_: is that you ? |
| 03:43.42 | Gentle | it doesn't look like the usual advertisement bot at least |
| 03:44.16 | Vincent_k | it prolly is cause hes been quiet for a little to long |
| 03:45.09 | oGALAXYo | well usually people react like this with such silly comments after being told to "stop acting like a moron" they come back under a different nick or a fake account to insult someone. |
| 03:45.43 | Gentle | that fits. You fight like a cow |
| 03:45.51 | Gentle | (just in case, that's a quote) |
| 03:46.06 | oGALAXYo | moooooooo mooooooo :) |
| 03:46.28 | Hobbsee | boing :P |
| 03:52.56 | gravix | teh mooo |
| 03:52.57 | gravix | :o |
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| 03:56.34 | _mark | I have some general questions on how toburn an .iso to cd-rw cananyone help out with info using k3b ? |
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| 03:57.40 | straw | just ask, mark |
| 03:57.50 | mpma | Would someone please direct me to the means of editing the menu that appears when right-clicking the desktop in kde? (Not the main kde menu) |
| 03:58.54 | _mark | Great... I am having trouble burning the .iso correctly under linux. to begin with which of the three extensions do I use: Rockbridge, UDF, or Joliet? |
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| 03:59.07 | straw | mpma: that'd be in kdebase, i expect. i'm not sure a user can change that menu |
| 04:00.45 | mpma | thanks straw, and how would I go about approaching kdebase? |
| 04:01.02 | _mark | straw Great... I am having trouble burning the .iso correctly under linux. to begin with which of the three extensions do I use: Rockbridge, UDF, or Joliet? |
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| 04:01.56 | _mark | straw, next question is do I burn TAO, DAO or RAW for an ISO ? (yes, I know what the letters stand for) |
| 04:01.57 | straw | mpma: i mean the source tarballs |
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| 04:04.05 | straw | _mark: i would think you'd want Rockridge and DAO, but i depends somewhat on the iso |
| 04:04.24 | _mark | Hmm..Ok. Thanks |
| 04:04.35 | straw | _mark: i thought k3b had pretty sane defaults |
| 04:06.42 | _mark | straw, Well, seems like they do... I'll burn one and get back with you. Thanks. |
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| 04:13.43 | shadrach | off to bed God Bless!!! |
| 04:13.51 | oGALAXYo | :) |
| 04:17.19 | gravix | i been up fer 33 hours |
| 04:18.28 | oGALAXYo | i had a cold for over one week and now i am out of my normal biorythm.. |
| 04:18.52 | oGALAXYo | cant sleep during night but sleep after lunch for the netire day.. also no jogging anymore for over 2 weeks. |
| 04:18.55 | oGALAXYo | sucks. |
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| 04:21.51 | arthurb | Hi, I am trying to use kat.. so far the configuration has been smooth but I'm a bit puzzled with the "Catalog configuration" |
| 04:22.07 | arthurb | I just gave it a name and gave it the directory ~ as base... |
| 04:22.13 | arthurb | but I can't find files |
| 04:23.01 | arthurb | oh wait I can |
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| 04:23.08 | arthurb | it must be scanning in background |
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| 04:29.09 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 04:29.13 | Dhraakellian | I just noticed something |
| 04:29.20 | Dhraakellian | the Storage Media kicker applet |
| 04:29.58 | Dhraakellian | the DVD icon has the tooltip "DVD Video Disk" |
| 04:30.13 | Dhraakellian | Am I the only one who thinks that this is just plain *wrong*? |
| 04:31.02 | mark_alec | Dhraakellian: PIN number, just PIN ;P |
| 04:31.18 | Dhraakellian | mark_alec: you'll notice the ATM machine as well |
| 04:31.30 | mark_alec | missed that one :) |
| 04:31.45 | cpw | defeated! |
| 04:31.47 | Dhraakellian | I'm not sure if the Storage Media applet is actually from KDE or if it's a SUSE-specific thing |
| 04:31.49 | cpw | sarcasm win! :P |
| 04:31.57 | mark_alec | Dhraakellian: dvd stands for 'digital versatile disk' |
| 04:32.14 | Dhraakellian | I thought it was "Digital Video Disk" |
| 04:32.19 | mark_alec | it was |
| 04:32.33 | mark_alec | but it was changed after they realised that it was useful for more than just video |
| 04:33.08 | [_]illogic-al | yes! |
| 04:33.12 | [_]illogic-al | I have found them! |
| 04:34.07 | Dhraakellian | "DVD" was originally an initialism for "Digital Video Disc". Some members of the DVD Forum believe that it should stand for "Digital Versatile Disc" to reflect its widespread use for non-video applications. Toshiba, which maintains the official DVD Forum site [3], adheres to the interpretation of "Digital Versatile Disc". The DVD Forum never reached a consensus on the matter, however, and so today the official name of the format i |
| 04:34.07 | Dhraakellian | s simply "DVD"; the letters do not officially stand for anything.[4] |
| 04:34.14 | Dhraakellian | Wikipedia speaks! |
| 04:34.49 | [_]illogic-al | lol |
| 04:35.12 | [_]illogic-al | so yeah, i had this anime series and when i was installing my new drive i moved stuff around. |
| 04:35.23 | [_]illogic-al | and so i lost them. |
| 04:35.42 | [_]illogic-al | but i didn't remember deleting them so i was wondering where the heck they could be |
| 04:36.16 | [_]illogic-al | BUT i just mounted a partition on my old drive And LO! Fresh Anime. |
| 04:36.20 | [_]illogic-al | and now I leave you. |
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| 04:42.12 | madman91 | how do i make a master default of kde settings.. not the apps in it tho? |
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| 04:43.43 | thiago | madman91: of which settings? |
| 04:46.43 | madman91 | the menus? |
| 04:46.54 | madman91 | equivalent of program menu in windows |
| 04:47.09 | thiago | $XDG_DATA_DIR |
| 04:47.22 | thiago | or $KDEDIRS/share/applications |
| 04:50.18 | madman91 | ?? |
| 04:50.33 | madman91 | what do i do? |
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| 04:58.43 | thiago | add your applications there |
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| 05:09.49 | tancred | I am attempting to store data in the .kde/share/apps directory. Does anyone know what class in the KDE libraries I should use for creating my application's directory in kde/share/apps? |
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| 05:21.14 | _mgorbach | is 3.5 final? |
| 05:21.22 | _mgorbach | somehow ... it seems 3.5 final is on gentoo |
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| 05:22.57 | cpw | _mgorbach: I'm a dev.. and I don't even know what's up with that |
| 05:23.33 | cpw | _mgorbach: I assume they're preparing ebuilds for when it does come out :/? |
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| 05:45.25 | _mgorbach | cpw ... then why are they in portage? |
| 05:45.37 | cpw | _mgorbach: read my second response for the gues |
| 05:45.40 | cpw | .. guess |
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| 05:46.03 | Reggie | hello |
| 05:46.08 | Reggie | anybody stil up |
| 05:47.15 | omniuni | hi there |
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| 06:43.28 | j0sephi | http://picasa.hu/1132728246-Grootvaderopstap.wmv ;-) :) |
| 06:44.18 | anisX | what is j0sephi ? |
| 06:44.22 | anisX | *that |
| 06:44.53 | Ringwraith` | that is j0sephi r00t |
| 06:45.51 | anisX | opening... |
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| 06:50.54 | Ringwraith` | ascii_vision, (*)_(*) |
| 06:53.37 | ascii_vision | hmm |
| 06:53.41 | ascii_vision | i see |
| 06:53.46 | ascii_vision | in ascii |
| 06:54.05 | gregday | ( o Y o ) |
| 06:54.41 | cpw | if I wanted that, I'd join dalnet |
| 06:54.46 | ascii_vision | loozerz |
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| 06:57.06 | int | Hi all. I want to compile most stable 3.5 kde version. i have rc-1 tarballs, so i want apply to it all changes from 3.5 branch since rc-1 release. i look at commits log and found:r479118 | coolo | 2005-11-09 12:19:18 +0300 (Wed, 09 Nov 2005) | 2 lines (tagging KDE 3.5.0 - will have to retag later), so how can i get changes? i try svn diff -r479118:HEAD svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/tags/KDE/3.5.0/kdelibs but i'm not sure that it's correct |
| 06:58.46 | DominicB_ | The KDED Meia Manager cannot start up on my computer. I get the message "Unable to start service." (very Windows style) when I click on start in the service manager. |
| 06:58.53 | DominicB_ | s/Meia/Media/ |
| 06:59.13 | DominicB_ | any idea how to start the Media Manger from the console to get more information? |
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| 06:59.55 | DominicB_ | The problem might be connected to a new HAL version. Which module is responsible for the Media Manager? Maybe recompiling (Gentoo) helps already. |
| 07:04.06 | gregday | does anyone know how to build branches/work/kopete/dev-0.12/kopete/ ? |
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| 07:13.52 | _mgorbach | DominicB_: try look at logs or finding a debug option of some kind |
| 07:14.00 | _mgorbach | or look at tty12 |
| 07:15.25 | Ringwraith` | or fry an egg in a pan and see how long it takes you |
| 07:18.55 | DominicB_ | _mgorbach: yes, I checked the logs already |
| 07:19.17 | DominicB_ | I guess I'll just recompile kdebase and kdelibs and see whether that helps |
| 07:19.23 | hagabaka | is it possible to download the source of kicker individuallly, apply a patch to it and install it? |
| 07:19.51 | _mgorbach | DominicB_: what did you find in the logs? |
| 07:19.58 | _mgorbach | also if you use gentoo try revdep-rebuild |
| 07:19.58 | DominicB_ | nothing at all |
| 07:20.06 | _mgorbach | thats the best thing |
| 07:20.06 | DominicB_ | ah, that's a good idea |
| 07:20.29 | _mgorbach | is media even useful for anything? |
| 07:20.52 | DominicB_ | yes, for simple mounting of CDs, USB sticks, or an iPod |
| 07:21.26 | _mgorbach | it just pulls up all my mounted harddrives .... not too useful |
| 07:22.24 | DominicB_ | with hal and dbus it shows me unmounted stuff as well |
| 07:22.53 | _mgorbach | hmm ... it seems to think that sdb1 is unmounted when its my / partition |
| 07:24.17 | DominicB_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.21 | DominicB_ | there we go |
| 07:24.22 | DominicB_ | thanks |
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| 07:41.12 | tuser | Hi, can please someone explain to me what does "A working Ghostscript installation" mean? |
| 07:41.33 | Ringwraith` | it means just that |
| 07:41.46 | Ringwraith` | do you have the gs command |
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| 07:44.49 | tuser | Hi Ringwraith. thank you for replying. I do not know |
| 07:45.06 | tuser | What do I have to do to test if I have it installed? |
| 07:45.48 | Ringwraith` | type gs |
| 07:45.50 | tuser | I did run from konsole gs and got this: ESP Ghostscript 7.07 (2003-07-12) Copyright 2003 artofcode LLC and Easy Software Products, all rights reserved. This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. GS> and a new windows opened |
| 07:45.57 | Ringwraith` | at a bash prompt |
| 07:46.06 | Ringwraith` | that looks good |
| 07:46.20 | tuser | how to exit from GS> ? |
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| 07:47.12 | Ringwraith` | ctrl c |
| 07:47.19 | tuser | done |
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| 07:47.43 | somekool | hello |
| 07:48.18 | somekool | what would be the best way to transfer bunch of kmail folders to an IMAP account ? kmail does not seems to have the hability to move folders, .... |
| 07:48.26 | somekool | not even within the same account |
| 07:49.05 | Ringwraith` | Have you contacted your Habitat ADministrator? |
| 07:49.27 | tuser | Ringwraith`, Here is what is happening: I purchased a new Laser printer (Samsung ML-1610) and am trying to install it under gentoo. It is a USB printer and had applied a UDEV rule. As it is not listed under CUPS I cp the ppd file into /usr/share/cups/model Now I can see it from kde printing manager when setting it up. |
| 07:49.53 | tuser | Ringwraith`, If I ls /dev/ML-1610 -la I get: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 23 nov 2005 /dev/ML-1610 -> lp0 |
| 07:50.18 | Ringwraith` | why are you using lp if it is a usb printer |
| 07:50.44 | tuser | Ringwraith`, could you please advice me how to properly set it up? It is a pain for me. |
| 07:51.11 | Ringwraith` | do you have a /dev/usb/lp0 |
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| 07:51.45 | tuser | no |
| 07:52.21 | tuser | here is my udev rule: BUS="usb", SYSFS{product}="Samsung ML-1610 Series", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="ML-1610", GROUP="users" |
| 07:52.37 | Ringwraith` | tuser, kernel version |
| 07:53.03 | tuser | Ringwraith`, Linux 2.6.12-gentoo-r10 #12 Tue Nov 15 10:22:19 CET 2005 i686 Celeron (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
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| 07:54.32 | hagabaka | i want amaroK-like OSD for kmixer! |
| 07:54.52 | PhilRod | hagabaka: use the source, luke! |
| 07:55.04 | Oleg_ | PhilRod: good morning |
| 07:55.23 | hagabaka | :( |
| 07:55.23 | PhilRod | morning Oleg_ |
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| 07:59.35 | somekool | what would be the best way to transfer bunch of kmail folders to an IMAP account ? kmail does not seems to have the hability to move folders, .... not even within the same account |
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| 08:12.52 | bleaked | does anyone know of a good black and white kde theme? i'm not seeing anything good on kde-look |
| 08:13.13 | PhilRod | somekool: if you can't d'n'd the folder itself, you'd have to do the messages manually, I guess |
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| 08:14.45 | buuch | hello all |
| 08:15.01 | somekool | PhilRod no kmail does not have d.n.d. function |
| 08:15.06 | somekool | for folders |
| 08:15.09 | somekool | sad thing eh |
| 08:15.45 | buuch | i am new to linux, i just installed epios, and i while i had win2k, i made a seperate ntfs partition to store my music... i cant get it to mount in kde. |
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| 08:16.42 | buuch | what is a newb to do? |
| 08:17.13 | PhilRod | buuch: best to ask in #yourdistro |
| 08:17.15 | buuch | it is visible, but i can not mount it |
| 08:17.23 | buuch | thx |
| 08:17.28 | PhilRod | can you access it from a konsole? |
| 08:17.41 | buuch | command line? |
| 08:18.06 | PhilRod | yeah |
| 08:19.08 | buuch | hmm |
| 08:19.23 | buuch | i type ls it just says desktop, cd.. will not take me anywhere |
| 08:19.29 | buuch | command not found |
| 08:19.44 | mabu | Have you support for ntfs in your kernel? |
| 08:19.54 | buuch | im not sure. its the latest |
| 08:20.02 | buuch | i should have read a bit about it |
| 08:20.03 | buuch | i will now |
| 08:20.14 | mabu | Dou you know taht you can't write to ntfs from Linux? |
| 08:20.17 | buuch | yes |
| 08:20.26 | buuch | i plan only to play my musi |
| 08:20.30 | lippel_ | buuch: it's "cd .." not "cd.." in the unix world |
| 08:20.35 | buuch | oh |
| 08:20.38 | buuch | thx |
| 08:21.04 | mabu | http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/1/1.php |
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| 08:23.43 | buuch | when it says make the dir in /mnt and name it where the ntfs partition is, what does it mean exactly |
| 08:23.49 | buuch | it is named media... |
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| 08:29.45 | buuch | how do i get root access while browsing in konquerer> |
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| 08:30.36 | buuch | i need to edit fstab but it will not allow me to save it |
| 08:30.43 | buuch | i am guessing because i need root access |
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| 08:57.55 | hagabaka | weird, when I run mplayer from konqueror open with dialogs, it launches gmplayer |
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| 09:18.14 | ponto | When I close my kde session all changes made to openoffice.org documents are lost, because it does not ask whether i want to save them. Does anyone know how to let OO.o play with kde session management? |
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| 09:25.27 | solaries | hi all |
| 09:25.47 | solaries | is there some effort to provide Subversion support in the form of cervisia? |
| 09:26.08 | solaries | Some plugin that can be used in connection with kdevelop, kile, kate, etc. would be really cool |
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| 10:01.50 | clown | hi guys i installed super karamba, im not sure on how to access it, im using slackware. |
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| 10:08.19 | kendrick | hi |
| 10:08.37 | kendrick | i think it's under Utilities? |
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| 10:35.07 | TomTom | today 3.5 will be released ? |
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| 10:40.56 | shinji` | TomTom i hope.. there are source tarball in ftp yet |
| 10:41.59 | TomTom | ok source tarballs of the release version? thats enough for gentoo... |
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| 10:42.20 | shinji` | marked as 3.5.0 |
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| 10:42.31 | shinji` | but in dir unstable/3.5-rc2 |
| 10:43.20 | TomTom | normally when an RC contains no bugs (yet ;) ) then the same codebase is released as GA |
| 10:43.54 | shinji` | :) |
| 10:46.23 | TomTom | shinji`: the last commit in the TRUNK was 9 minutes ago... |
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| 10:49.01 | shinji` | mh, afaik trunk is for kde4 |
| 10:49.30 | paras | does anybody know why detaching a SCREEN with ctrl-a-d in kde's konsole won't work ? i only get "no other window" in konsole's titlebar |
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| 10:51.13 | resmo | hi |
| 10:52.21 | resmo | i'm looking for a release schedule for kde4. i didn't find anythin about it on kde.org. |
| 10:52.50 | TomTom | shinji`: still tagged as RC2... http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.5.0/?rev=482540 |
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| 10:54.09 | TomTom | resmo: kde 3.5. will be out this year... maybe today. but 4.0 is scheduled in the next year |
| 10:56.45 | qupada | don't they normally give distribution maintainers 5 days or so with the tarballs to get builds working smoothly before they officially release it? i noticed gentoo has sent out ebuilds already but there isn't anything to be seen on the servers |
| 10:56.46 | Kwarq | qupada, I found 8 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: hacosta|away, hector, hacosta, hector_acosta, hector|lejos. hacosta|away (n=hector@CableLink39-254.INTERCABLE.net) was last seen quitting #kde 2 hours 44 minutes ago (23.11. 03:14) stating "Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" after spending 6 hours 3 minutes there. |
| 10:56.50 | resmo | TomTom: do you know a released date? |
| 10:57.38 | TomTom | resmo: i talked to some kde guys on the linuxworld fair and its really to early to say an exact date... first efford is to get the current codebase to qt4 |
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| 10:58.24 | resmo | TomTom: okay, thx |
| 10:58.41 | shinji` | maybe in summer 2006 |
| 10:59.39 | qupada | that is northern hemisphere summer you're talking i take it |
| 11:00.23 | shinji` | haha |
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| 11:02.18 | paras | why can't KRDC connect to a winXP box via RDP while rdesktop could ? |
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| 11:20.34 | paras | hy can't KRDC connect to a winXP box via RDP while rdesktop could ? krdc hangs while it's trying to establish a connection |
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| 11:21.40 | TomTom | paras: no problem here connecting a XP box with krdc |
| 11:22.03 | paras | rdp://<hostname> in krdc right ? |
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| 11:22.48 | TomTom | paras: ONE slash |
| 11:23.11 | TomTom | paras: if you click "examples" you can see it |
| 11:25.03 | paras | TomTom, tried with rdp:/192.168.0.20 , still no go. rdesktop works |
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| 11:26.56 | paras | huh ? starting krdc from the commandline with switch krdc rdp:/192.168.0.20 works ? |
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| 11:27.23 | simoncpu | good day |
| 11:27.43 | PhilRod | hi simoncpu |
| 11:29.22 | simoncpu | i |
| 11:29.30 | simoncpu | i'm trying to learn vi |
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| 11:29.49 | simoncpu | and i'm hoping to learn it inside kde |
| 11:29.56 | paras | TomTom, aaaaaaaah. i just had to type the FQDN hostname in krdc... |
| 11:30.45 | simoncpu | is it possible for quanta to use vimpart? |
| 11:30.45 | paras | but that's strange because starting krdc from a cmdline worked with the hostpart only... |
| 11:33.24 | PhilRod | simoncpu: I think there's a #quanta or #quantaplus channel where you could also ask. IIRC, the vimpart is obsolete, but there's some other embeddable vim thing. I don't remember the name, though |
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| 11:34.37 | simoncpu | yzis.... |
| 11:34.47 | simoncpu | i'm still googling for a freebsd port though |
| 11:35.21 | simoncpu | anyway, thanks |
| 11:35.38 | PhilRod | if there's no port, it'll probably still build on freebsd (with the right configure flags) |
| 11:35.57 | PhilRod | so you could use it, although you'd need a little twiddling of envars |
| 11:36.30 | simoncpu | ok, i'll try to download the source and compile it in my system |
| 11:36.39 | simoncpu | ty |
| 11:36.40 | simoncpu | :) |
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| 11:36.58 | PhilRod | let me get you the necessary configure flags |
| 11:37.36 | simoncpu | yey! |
| 11:38.12 | PhilRod | http://rafb.net/paste/results/50Rwax87.html |
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| 11:38.48 | Celestar | does KDE contain any frontends that permit encryption/decryption of files and directories? |
| 11:39.24 | PhilRod | simoncpu: use a different --prefix though, and make sure to use the LDFLAGS=-pthread at the end |
| 11:39.49 | PhilRod | you can also ask in #kde-freebsd about a yzis port (someone might know, perhaps) |
| 11:39.58 | PhilRod | Celestar: kgpg in, um, kdeutils, I think |
| 11:40.04 | simoncpu | thank you very much, philrod |
| 11:40.40 | Celestar | PhilRod yeah I have it and it seems more like a key manager? |
| 11:41.06 | PhilRod | Celestar: oh, ok. Never used it myself |
| 11:41.55 | Celestar | ah |
| 11:42.00 | PhilRod | Celestar: if you right click on a file in konq, do you have an "encrypt file" option |
| 11:42.00 | Celestar | it seems to support dragndrop |
| 11:42.01 | PhilRod | ? |
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| 11:44.16 | Celestar | hm .. |
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| 12:27.34 | pinotree | hello =) |
| 12:27.55 | mb- | moo |
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| 12:28.03 | mb- | emerging kde again sucks |
| 12:28.04 | mb- | :< |
| 12:28.53 | mb- | binary distributions are the suck |
| 12:29.18 | Celestar | I only use binary distributions :P except for servers :) |
| 12:29.50 | mb- | i use gentoo everywhere |
| 12:29.50 | mb- | :x |
| 12:30.03 | Celestar | I don't even use linux on most servers |
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| 12:36.30 | halcyonCorsair | Celestar: what do you use on servers? |
| 12:36.42 | Celestar | some have SLES, others have FreeBSD |
| 12:36.53 | halcyonCorsair | SLES? |
| 12:37.01 | Celestar | SuSE Linux Enterprise Server |
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| 12:37.26 | Celestar | that's what the file servers run. all the other stuff is BSD |
| 12:37.37 | halcyonCorsair | ah |
| 12:37.40 | Celestar | haven't yet found time to set up Samba PDC+LDAP in BSD |
| 12:37.57 | halcyonCorsair | any particular reason for BSD over linux? |
| 12:38.01 | anisX | i have problem with irssi |
| 12:38.12 | Celestar | halcyonCorsair mostly ease of installation and security |
| 12:38.17 | anisX | err..i know that is not related with kde..but if someone can help me..please :) |
| 12:38.22 | halcyonCorsair | brb |
| 12:39.29 | Hobbsee | anisX: what problem? |
| 12:39.39 | Hobbsee | perhaps we can, but nto without more info |
| 12:40.38 | anisX | Hobbsee : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/V9PjQ425.html |
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| 12:40.55 | anisX | Hobbsee : fyi , i dont have su permission |
| 12:41.11 | Hobbsee | no clue - i never had to compile it |
| 12:41.43 | anisX | ok..thanks Hobbsee |
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| 12:44.31 | halcyonCorsair | Celestar: BSD is much easier to install than linux? |
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| 12:46.02 | Celestar | halcyonCorsair a basic system, yeah |
| 12:46.06 | Celestar | and the ports system is very very good |
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| 12:55.56 | halcyonCorsair | Celestar: i don't know about the ports system, i know that gentoos portage was sort of based off that idea, but how similar is it actually? |
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| 13:14.04 | Celestar | halcyonCorsair from what I heard of people who used both, portage is a crappy copy of ports |
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| 13:22.53 | TomTom | Celestar: so portage is crappy? hwy ? |
| 13:23.23 | Celestar | dunno. so I just heard |
| 13:23.29 | Celestar | from > 1 person |
| 13:23.30 | superstoned | celestar: that's bull* portage is quite nice. i'm not very into ports, but i heard from several bsd users portage has several advantages |
| 13:23.37 | SMiLeaf | I personally don't think so. |
| 13:23.53 | superstoned | well then i think this might depend on who you're talking to... |
| 13:23.59 | SMiLeaf | ebuilds are easier to read/write than a make file :) |
| 13:24.10 | superstoned | duh makefiles suck :D |
| 13:25.24 | Celestar | who needs to read Makefiles? ;) |
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| 14:22.39 | annma | hi Oleg_ |
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| 14:23.38 | iGEEK_ | Can you open http://www.kde-look.org ? |
| 14:24.03 | john_who | yes it works fine here |
| 14:24.09 | Oleg_ | annma: oGALAXYo insulted me yesterday. He said, "I feel sorry for your parents" in an insulting context. Then he mentioned the word dick to insult me. |
| 14:24.10 | pinotree | yes |
| 14:24.20 | annma | and very quick |
| 14:24.20 | Oleg_ | annma: and I don't like it |
| 14:24.30 | Oleg_ | annma: I don't like being insulted |
| 14:24.56 | annma | Oleg_: was it after I went? |
| 14:25.04 | Oleg_ | annma: just like people in this channel don't like feel insulted by me |
| 14:25.07 | Oleg_ | annma: yes |
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| 14:44.23 | Gentle | does anybody know where I can obtain a 32 bit precompile of the konqueror plugin loader? |
| 14:44.32 | dbruns | hey i'm having some odd stuff happen with the volume window when I use KDE it only happens in KDE |
| 14:44.33 | Gentle | and how to use it to load flash within a 64 bit konqueror |
| 14:44.39 | dbruns | the volume window will not go away |
| 14:44.50 | dbruns | can someone point me in the right direction to get rid of this? |
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| 14:46.24 | PhilRod | dbruns: do you mean kmix? |
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| 14:47.25 | dbruns | well |
| 14:47.31 | dbruns | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.39 | dbruns | just a gray volume box (that is there on all desktops) |
| 14:47.46 | dbruns | but kmix won't let me adjust the volume either |
| 14:48.04 | PhilRod | where does the volume box appear? |
| 14:48.09 | dbruns | i can move it and the sound comes on but on the click event it zeros out |
| 14:48.13 | dbruns | right in the middle |
| 14:48.29 | dbruns | gray box with blue Volume in the middle with a white box and 0% in the middle |
| 14:48.45 | PhilRod | is kmilo running, or klaptopdaemon? |
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| 14:48.56 | dbruns | kmilo doesn't appear to be installed... |
| 14:48.57 | Dilrte | i wanted to ask something, when i use root in the shell that work under my user i gwt the error cannot connect to X server, how can i fix that? |
| 14:49.03 | dbruns | should be there with kdeutils though right? |
| 14:49.11 | dbruns | i don't think either are running but how can i check? |
| 14:49.33 | PhilRod | Dilrte: xhost +localhost, then run the command you want. Better to run "kdesu somecommand" though |
| 14:49.47 | PhilRod | dbruns: ps auxww | grep kmilo |
| 14:49.51 | Dilrte | what do you mean by xhost |
| 14:49.58 | Dilrte | ? |
| 14:50.13 | PhilRod | Dilrte: google for it - there should be an explanation somewhere |
| 14:50.25 | Dilrte | i did man xhost but i can find the file /etc/X*.hosts |
| 14:51.08 | PhilRod | anyway, the proper way to run commands as root in a KDE session is to use "kdesu" |
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| 14:52.04 | stupendo44 | hey, guys. do you know of any filesystem-related channels I could ask a question in? |
| 14:52.04 | PhilRod | s/commands/graphical programs/ |
| 14:52.20 | Dilrte | isnt it unsecure? |
| 14:52.39 | KomiaPoika | Dilrte: what |
| 14:52.39 | frb | I thought the proper way was to use the run dialog and enter the information |
| 14:52.48 | Dilrte | kdesu |
| 14:52.53 | PhilRod | stupendo44: /query chanserv help - it has a list command that will show channels matching a pattern |
| 14:53.18 | dbruns | PhilRod: non kmilo is not running |
| 14:53.19 | PhilRod | frb: oh yeah, that too - though I guess it just runs "kdesu command" anyway |
| 14:53.55 | PhilRod | dbruns: is kmix running? |
| 14:54.07 | frb | PhilRod: I think it does, but it's easier to invoke properly |
| 14:54.12 | Dilrte | isnt kdesu insecure? |
| 14:54.19 | frb | Dilrte: why would it be? |
| 14:54.41 | Dilrte | i read some info that su isnt secure.... |
| 14:54.56 | stupendo44 | PhilRod: I searched the channels but didn't turn anything up. Even if it's on a different server, I thought someone could point me in the right direction |
| 14:55.05 | frb | Dilrte: prove it |
| 14:55.09 | stupendo44 | unless anyone here has an advanced knowledge of filesystems |
| 14:55.20 | dbruns | PhilRod: kmix was running i killed it but the volume bar is still there |
| 14:55.23 | Dilrte | frb: i cant, im just asking |
| 14:55.24 | PhilRod | Dilrte: erm, what do you think your root shell is using if not su? |
| 14:55.52 | dbruns | PhilRod: and when i kill it, it comes back up |
| 14:55.58 | frb | Dilrte: if you have no proof, why spread fud? |
| 14:56.14 | Dilrte | im nit im just asking maybe you know something abiut that |
| 14:56.22 | Dilrte | not* |
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| 14:56.42 | Dilrte | but anyway, thanks for the good help im using the kdesu |
| 14:57.26 | PhilRod | dbruns: are you killing kmix or the volume bar? (ie, with Ctrl+Alt+Esc) |
| 14:57.40 | Chryseus | I must have been living under a rock but what is fud :P |
| 14:57.58 | dbruns | PhilRod: i'm doing killall -9 kmix |
| 14:58.04 | dbruns | or kill pid |
| 14:58.14 | PhilRod | dbruns: and when you do that, the volume bar disappears, but then reappears? |
| 14:58.18 | dbruns | there is only one process for kmix |
| 14:58.30 | PhilRod | Chryseus: fear, uncertainty and doubt - GIYF :-) |
| 14:58.39 | dbruns | no it doesn't disappear and reappear |
| 14:58.53 | PhilRod | so the volume bar isn't part of kmix then |
| 14:58.54 | dbruns | kmix flashes onto the screen and then disappears |
| 14:59.12 | Chryseus | fud.. sounds like pudding :/ |
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| 15:01.53 | dbruns | PhilRod: xkill doesn't phase it either |
| 15:02.13 | PhilRod | is it part of your background? :-) |
| 15:02.21 | dbruns | nope |
| 15:02.25 | dbruns | when i open up kmix |
| 15:02.28 | dbruns | and adjust the volume |
| 15:02.30 | dbruns | this moves |
| 15:02.32 | dbruns | and it's top level... |
| 15:02.42 | dbruns | that's the biggest problem that it covers stuff |
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| 15:02.59 | PhilRod | are you on a laptop/ |
| 15:03.03 | dbruns | i am |
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| 15:03.21 | PhilRod | is it a built-in OSD from your laptop hardware? |
| 15:03.46 | PhilRod | FWIW, post a screenshot |
| 15:04.32 | dbruns | PhilRod: I don't think so... it only shows up when i'm in kde it doesn't show up in enlightenment kdm gdm fluxbox |
| 15:04.52 | dbruns | and when i used to use windows it never came up |
| 15:04.57 | PhilRod | ok |
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| 15:07.53 | dbruns | i'm not the only one with the problem:http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/13703/Annoying-volume-window-in-kde-341-.html |
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| 15:11.37 | PhilRod | are you also running gentoo? |
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| 15:13.15 | PhilRod | oh, seems to be on suse too, so not distro specific |
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| 15:13.36 | PhilRod | do you have volumeup/volumedown buttons on your keyboard? Do they work? |
| 15:14.16 | hagabaka | i do |
| 15:14.52 | PhilRod | do you get the same volume popup that dbruns has? |
| 15:14.54 | hagabaka | oh, i have that "annoying volume window" too |
| 15:15.05 | frb | my buttons don't work |
| 15:15.05 | hagabaka | i think it's from kmixer |
| 15:15.13 | frb | I don't think it's from kmixer |
| 15:15.16 | TomTom | no kde 3.5 today :-/ (so far) |
| 15:15.20 | hagabaka | but i don't know where to disable that shortcut |
| 15:15.27 | frb | iirc, klineakd does it |
| 15:15.42 | hagabaka | oh |
| 15:16.04 | hagabaka | well, everytime I press volume up/down, kmixer's tray icon shows up... |
| 15:16.04 | frb | lineak_xosdplugin (0.8.3+cvs-2) - This is the XOSD Onscreen Display plugin for the lineakd daemon. |
| 15:16.05 | dbruns | PhilRod: my volume buttons on my laptop don't work (i haven't set them up yet) |
| 15:16.08 | frb | thats in SuSE |
| 15:16.09 | hagabaka | with that window |
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| 15:16.23 | dbruns | PhilRod: but xev does respond when I press them |
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| 15:17.09 | hagabaka | i used a .Xmodmap file to get them to work, but I needed to disable kde keyboard layout for it to load |
| 15:17.57 | PhilRod | dbruns: ps aux | grep lineak |
| 15:21.50 | dbruns | PhilRod: nope nothin |
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| 15:26.37 | PhilRod | dbruns: what distro? |
| 15:27.01 | frb | I still haven't gotten skim to work |
| 15:27.19 | PhilRod | dbruns: paste the output of ps aux to a pasteboard and put the link here. (As you can see, I'm running out of ideas) |
| 15:27.26 | PhilRod | frb: what's skim? |
| 15:29.12 | dbruns | PhilRod: I'm on gentoo |
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| 15:30.07 | dbruns | hmm URL to a pasteboard the ones i knew are not up |
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| 15:30.31 | PhilRod | dbruns: they tend to do a fairly vanilla version of KDE (ie no distro patches) IIRC (weird splitting notwithstanding), so I guess it's not a distro patch (which is what I would have suggested if it only showed up on SuSE) |
| 15:30.40 | PhilRod | see topic for pasteboard |
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| 15:35.27 | dbruns | PhilRod: i can't see the whole topic this window is covering it up lol |
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| 15:35.46 | Katagia | Hi |
| 15:35.59 | PhilRod | dbruns: rafb.net/paste |
| 15:36.02 | PhilRod | hi Katagia |
| 15:36.18 | dbruns | http://rafb.net/paste/results/RmhG0R65.html |
| 15:36.30 | Katagia | I have a language problem with kde 3.4 and dual view. The 1st screen uses the correct localized language. The 2nd screen uses english language |
| 15:36.46 | Katagia | In controlcenter I have set up the localized language (german) |
| 15:36.59 | Katagia | Any idea why this setting seems to be ignored on the 2nd screen? |
| 15:37.14 | Katagia | Everyhting there, e.g. menu entries is in english language |
| 15:38.17 | Katagia | I don't use xinema or clone mode |
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| 15:40.03 | frb | xinerama works fine if you set he options right |
| 15:40.14 | frb | if you have an nvidia ard, use twinview though |
| 15:40.14 | PhilRod | dbruns: only other thing I can think of is knotify - try killing that |
| 15:40.15 | pinotree | ~envvars |
| 15:40.21 | PhilRod | one 'v' |
| 15:40.25 | pinotree | ~envars |
| 15:40.27 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, envars is http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Environment+Variables |
| 15:40.55 | pinotree | thanks PhilRod, but imho with one 'v' is not intuitive... |
| 15:41.53 | PhilRod | apt: envvars is <reply>You can find information about the environment variables used by KDE at http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Environment+Variables |
| 15:41.54 | apt | okay, PhilRod |
| 15:41.56 | PhilRod | :-) |
| 15:42.21 | Katagia | frb: I want to connect a beamer to the 2nd graphic device. The 1st is the integrated TFT. Presentations should be only visible on the beamer |
| 15:42.33 | Katagia | Therefore xinema mode isn't a solution |
| 15:43.03 | PhilRod | ooh, tea - yes please |
| 15:43.32 | pinotree | why didn't you tell me that two months ago? :) |
| 15:44.33 | pinotree | well, i coild presume that more then 80% of english people prefer tea... |
| 15:44.39 | PhilRod | hehe - there was free coffee |
| 15:45.07 | PhilRod | why would I want tea in those circumstances? :-) |
| 15:45.21 | pinotree | hehe |
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| 15:45.26 | PhilRod | hrm, not sure about that stereotype - probably mostly true, but not quite |
| 15:46.53 | PhilRod | erm, it seems you're right: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/lif_tea_con |
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| 15:47.22 | PhilRod | vs http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/lif_cof_con |
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| 15:48.09 | pinotree | \o/ |
| 15:49.06 | PhilRod | though that puts me way above the average brit in coffee consumption |
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| 15:51.24 | pinotree | hello sredna :-) |
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| 15:51.34 | sredna | Hello pinotree :) |
| 15:51.37 | sredna | & * |
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| 15:56.08 | Katagia | How can I move a windows from one monitor two another in dual head mode? Moving the window on the 2nd screen won't work. Is there an Option like "to desktop"? |
| 15:56.47 | aty | hello |
| 15:57.04 | PhilRod | Katagia: in the window menu (Alt+F3). No idea if it works for multiple monitors though |
| 15:57.07 | aty | how can i debug a program in kdevelop step by step? |
| 15:57.27 | frb | Katagia: if they are considered separate displays you need to use an X multiplexor |
| 15:57.31 | PhilRod | Katagia: though it sounds like your two displays are completely separate, if they're running in different languages |
| 15:57.34 | frb | xdmx I think is what it is called |
| 15:58.57 | Katagia | PhilRod: I just set up X to offer booth screens but not clone or xinema mode. The 2nd display just uses default settings and ignores my custom settings. |
| 15:59.28 | Katagia | The only connection between booth screens seems to be mouse movement |
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| 15:59.45 | Katagia | And booth device are configurable in controlcenter |
| 16:00.04 | Katagia | frb: I will take a look at it |
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| 16:02.39 | Katagia | frb: Is there no way to move an application from one device on the next device? |
| 16:03.15 | frb | Katagia: it's never impossible, the method is different, you haven't given us any real detail about the setup though |
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| 16:05.50 | Katagia | frb: I don't know what I should tell you. I configured my i915 graphic card with sax, a tool from suse. After that I added the second screen to xorg.conf. |
| 16:05.56 | Katagia | This is my xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FYcpYw80.html |
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| 16:07.19 | Katagia | After adding the 2nd device kde 3.4 recognized it and there was a second desktop on it. I can move the mouse on the 2nd monitor and start programms there. controlcenter recognizes both screens and offers options to configure them |
| 16:07.35 | frb | according to that setup, you have screens on 0.0 and 0.1, which aren't officially connected |
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| 16:07.57 | frb | so to move an app across screens, you need the multiplexor |
| 16:09.31 | Katagia | OK. CBut why can I move the mouse between both screens? Does kde just grab the mouse cursour from on screen and enable it on the other screen? |
| 16:10.25 | Katagia | But then I just could enable xinema mode but I want do that because when I run a presentation one part is visible to the audience and the other part is only visible for me :( |
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| 16:16.39 | xroberx | hi! |
| 16:18.19 | frb | Katagia: xinerama can do that |
| 16:18.40 | frb | Katagia: since X sees 2 screens and one input device, it lets it pass between them |
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| 16:22.28 | vryzhkov | hello |
| 16:22.42 | vryzhkov | somebody !? |
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| 16:23.00 | xroberx | vryzhkov: what country is .ua ? |
| 16:23.12 | vryzhkov | yep |
| 16:23.14 | vryzhkov | UKRAINE !!! :) |
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| 16:23.25 | xroberx | oh |
| 16:23.30 | vryzhkov | whay you asking? |
| 16:23.46 | xroberx | because i didn't know it |
| 16:23.59 | vryzhkov | aha ;) |
| 16:24.05 | xroberx | what's up ? |
| 16:24.16 | vryzhkov | what your country? |
| 16:24.24 | xroberx | Spain |
| 16:24.27 | vryzhkov | cool |
| 16:24.32 | xroberx | :) |
| 16:24.43 | xroberx | not that cool hehe |
| 16:24.43 | vryzhkov | nice to meet you |
| 16:25.07 | xroberx | ^_^ |
| 16:25.11 | vryzhkov | so what is your operation system? |
| 16:25.22 | vryzhkov | i use Linux SuSE 10.0 OSS |
| 16:25.31 | xroberx | Gentoo/Linux current |
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| 16:25.56 | vryzhkov | you are at home? or work? |
| 16:26.05 | xroberx | i'm at work |
| 16:26.10 | vryzhkov | me too |
| 16:26.14 | xroberx | but i'm my own boss don't worry :) |
| 16:26.27 | vryzhkov | :) nice |
| 16:26.36 | vryzhkov | i'm sysadmin |
| 16:26.46 | xroberx | i'm programmer |
| 16:27.06 | vryzhkov | what language ? JAVA? |
| 16:27.38 | xroberx | i know python, php, c, asm |
| 16:28.04 | xroberx | oh well and javascript but that doesn't count ;) |
| 16:28.05 | vryzhkov | good for you |
| 16:28.37 | vryzhkov | do you have a girlfriend? |
| 16:28.47 | xroberx | sure :) |
| 16:29.01 | FRIpolz | vryzhkov: don't tell me you're selling "russian brides" :> |
| 16:29.25 | vryzhkov | nope of course !!! |
| 16:29.32 | FRIpolz | hehe, just kidding |
| 16:29.38 | vryzhkov | :) |
| 16:29.59 | vryzhkov | you are all nice people !!! |
| 16:30.02 | FRIpolz | vryzhkov: a few months ago there was an announcement on the kdevelop site |
| 16:30.07 | vryzhkov | i'm at first in IRC |
| 16:30.28 | FRIpolz | there was supposed to be a meeting somewhere in Kiev, if I'm not mistaken |
| 16:30.43 | FRIpolz | you wouldn't happen to know what happened with that ? |
| 16:31.07 | vryzhkov | no i don't know!!! tell me |
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| 16:31.32 | FRIpolz | vryzhkov: I was hoping you'd know more :) |
| 16:31.44 | vryzhkov | hi renata ;) |
| 16:31.54 | vryzhkov | sorry dude ... |
| 16:32.09 | vryzhkov | do you have ICQ number? |
| 16:32.09 | xroberx | FRIpolz: and you, where are you from ? what country is .si ? :) |
| 16:32.20 | FRIpolz | Slovenia |
| 16:32.22 | vryzhkov | Ukraine and sity is Lviv |
| 16:32.28 | xroberx | oh |
| 16:32.38 | vryzhkov | what? |
| 16:32.42 | xroberx | there is people from all around the world :) |
| 16:32.43 | vryzhkov | whay OH!!!!!!! |
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| 16:32.51 | vryzhkov | yep |
| 16:32.56 | vryzhkov | and it's cool |
| 16:33.10 | xroberx | well, except for those americans hehe ;) |
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| 16:33.26 | vryzhkov | :) |
| 16:33.30 | epyon9283 | ? |
| 16:33.32 | porkrynde | Anyone have a clue on what the status of akode in kde is? |
| 16:33.47 | porkrynde | Is it going to be in 3.5? Or just the plugin? |
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| 16:34.21 | vryzhkov | i have 3.4 ... |
| 16:34.31 | pinotree | porkrynde: now akode it's out of the kde modules |
| 16:34.52 | pinotree | it's out of kdemm |
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| 16:35.05 | xroberx | i expect 3.5 to fix the bloody kpdf bug that makes my computer almost crash by using all available memory :S |
| 16:35.20 | DaBlade | Is there a KDE app that helps you set up a DSL connection? |
| 16:35.26 | PhilRod | xroberx: do you have the file that causes the problem? |
| 16:35.31 | vryzhkov | ok good bye people !!! |
| 16:35.33 | xroberx | PhilRod: yes |
| 16:35.40 | FRIpolz | DaBlade: setting up DSL connection should be up to the distro |
| 16:35.45 | FRIpolz | not the desktop |
| 16:35.49 | PhilRod | DaBlade: probably not - it's a distro specific thing |
| 16:35.53 | FRIpolz | at least that's my oppinion |
| 16:35.54 | DaBlade | Alrighty then |
| 16:35.57 | PhilRod | xroberx: is it publically accessible? |
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| 16:36.10 | xroberx | PhilRod: sure, i can send it to you if you wish |
| 16:36.12 | DaBlade | I'm trying to help this guy on my forum who can't get his net connection up |
| 16:37.22 | PhilRod | xroberx: do you have a URL for it? |
| 16:37.58 | xroberx | PhilRod: unfortunately not |
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| 16:39.51 | PhilRod | xroberx: how big is it? |
| 16:40.21 | xroberx | mmm, wait |
| 16:40.43 | vryzhkov | what IRC client you have ??? |
| 16:40.45 | xroberx | 4MB |
| 16:41.10 | vryzhkov | X-Chat ??? or Konversation ??? |
| 16:41.12 | frb | ok, I'm finding that modal OSD about popup windows being blocked annoying |
| 16:41.14 | FRIpolz | vryzhkov: konversation |
| 16:41.24 | frb | it pops up right in the middle of my screen and doesn't go away when clicked |
| 16:41.37 | frb | can I just get it to notify me on the statusbar or something? |
| 16:41.42 | frb | Konqueror 3.5rc1 |
| 16:42.21 | PhilRod | xroberx: I think kpdf uses xpdf as the interpreter, so try opening the file with xpdf. If xpdf leaks mem, then the error needs to be fixed in xpdf (though it should be reported in kpdf too for completeness) |
| 16:42.37 | pinotree | frb: click on it and unselect the related option in the popup that appears |
| 16:42.55 | pinotree | "on it" means "on its icon in the statusbar" |
| 16:42.56 | frb | pinotree: clicking on it does absolutely nothing |
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| 16:43.22 | pinotree | frb: not right click, single left click |
| 16:43.22 | frb | the options seem odd |
| 16:43.32 | vryzhkov | <FRIpolz> what better? |
| 16:43.34 | xroberx | PhilRod: http://marmota.act.uji.es/MTP/pdf/python.pdf |
| 16:43.39 | xroberx | PhilRod: that's the file |
| 16:43.52 | frb | I can either show the window, get a notification, or configure |
| 16:43.58 | FRIpolz | PhilRod: I'm not so sure about kpdf using xpdf |
| 16:44.15 | FRIpolz | PhilRod: I don't have xpdf on my system and kpdf works anyway |
| 16:44.58 | FRIpolz | and ldd doesn't show any libs matching ".*pdf.*" |
| 16:45.12 | PhilRod | xroberx: works fine here |
| 16:45.14 | xroberx | PhilRod: it crashes at page 168 |
| 16:45.20 | xroberx | PhilRod: 186 i mean |
| 16:45.26 | PhilRod | FRIpolz: it uses its own copy IIRC, but I could be wrong |
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| 16:45.41 | frb | if it uses it's own copy, then it's a bug in kpdf |
| 16:47.07 | epyon9283 | I'm looking at page 186 in kpdf and no crashes here |
| 16:47.21 | xroberx | epyon9283: what zoom is you kpdf on ? |
| 16:47.40 | xroberx | try to zoom to more than 120% |
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| 16:48.04 | epyon9283 | no wait... there it goes |
| 16:48.08 | epyon9283 | lol |
| 16:48.37 | xroberx | go head and killall -9 hehe |
| 16:50.07 | epyon9283 | it just crashed. Went back to try again and now I'm looking at page 186 with 160% zoom and nothing is happening |
| 16:51.04 | xroberx | epyon9283: did you switch to 160 from 100 or in steps ? |
| 16:51.12 | PhilRod | I can't get it to crash or eat mem |
| 16:51.27 | frb | how do I stop Ctrl-D from being _duplicate window_? |
| 16:51.41 | frb | that is the most annoying keybinding ever |
| 16:51.50 | epyon9283 | xroberx: I changed the zoom before I hit that page |
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| 16:52.14 | PhilRod | frb: settings->configure shortcuts, like any other shortcut |
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| 16:52.37 | Crissi | hi |
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| 16:52.59 | xroberx | epyon9283: anyway, i remember the first time it crashed i was reading previous pages at 170% when it crashed |
| 16:53.01 | FRIpolz | do any of you people "speak" C++ fluently ? |
| 16:53.05 | Crissi | i have read that kde 3.5 should have an connector for open-xchange... any hints how its called? |
| 16:53.13 | Crissi | i cant find it |
| 16:53.25 | frb | PhilRod: little more help, I searched for it, I can't find it there |
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| 16:53.27 | PhilRod | FRIpolz: if you're looking for kde programming help, the best place to ask is #kde-devel |
| 16:53.30 | Crissi | i have installed deb packages from alioth |
| 16:53.33 | doleyb | FRIpolz: i do, but there's a ##c++ chan for that |
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| 16:53.46 | xroberx | PhilRod: what version of kde are you using ? |
| 16:53.46 | kyron | hey all, I have two laptops working with kwifimanager and different nics... They both have the same problem that, the wlan0 nick is added upon starting kwifimanager but the 1- default profile is not loaded 2-once the default profile is loaded, it doesn't call dhcpcd on the wlan0 card...anyone has a pointer toresolving that? |
| 16:54.32 | Chryseus | theres ebuild for 3.5 in portage :/ |
| 16:54.41 | PhilRod | xroberx: 3.5rc2ish |
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| 16:54.53 | PhilRod | Chryseus: gentoo developers getting ahead of themselves, like usual |
| 16:55.00 | frb | I can't find anything about Location, Duplicate Window, or Ctrl+D in the KDE keybindings |
| 16:55.02 | xroberx | PhilRod: maybe that's why that pdf files doesn't crashes for you |
| 16:55.07 | PhilRod | frb: in konq |
| 16:55.07 | Chryseus | yes.. seems like that :) |
| 16:55.09 | Sho_ | PhilRod: they were a week late with rc1, so now they're over-compensating ;) |
| 16:55.12 | PhilRod | settings->configure konq |
| 16:55.51 | frb | Is there a good reason why every other browser I use has Ctrl-D as Add Bookmark, while Konq chose to use that as Duplicate Window? |
| 16:56.00 | PhilRod | Sho_: they had a port of one of the betas available before it was released too. Stupid if you ask me |
| 16:56.23 | PhilRod | frb: because Konq!=(some browser !=konq)? |
| 16:56.38 | frb | then why do we use Ctrl-C for copy? |
| 16:56.48 | xroberx | heh |
| 16:57.12 | Chryseus | D Duplicate window, C Copy.. ? |
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| 16:57.31 | frb | Chryseus: I have never in my life wanted to _Duplicate_ a window with 15 tabs optn |
| 16:57.32 | Sho_ | frb: Why don't you just change the shortcut to your liking? |
| 16:57.34 | frb | never |
| 16:57.36 | Theory_ | otherwise people would ask why all other kmdi apps use ctrl+d for duplicate window whilst konqi uses it to add bookmark? |
| 16:58.06 | MrRagga | hi, how get i the little icons of opened programs back to my tasbkar, like the little icon from kmix. i am using kde 3.5 |
| 16:58.14 | xroberx | frb: anyway, you can change the key shortcuts as you wish |
| 16:58.30 | PhilRod | frb: and I have never in my life wanted to use ICQ. Does that mean kopete shouldn't support it? |
| 16:58.58 | frb | PhilRod: your finger memory from over 10 years of computing make you hit a button that opens ICQ? |
| 16:59.19 | PhilRod | MrRagga: right-click->panel menu->add applet->systray |
| 16:59.45 | PhilRod | frb: this is going to get ridiculous. Anyway, change the shortcut and we're all happy |
| 16:59.49 | Chryseus | frb: youre just a slave of your habits and dont want anything to change :p |
| 16:59.56 | MrRagga | PhilRod: coool, thanks |
| 16:59.58 | frb | I can't find "Add Bookmark" in the konquerer list |
| 17:00.23 | frb | of couse, that one in the control-center |
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| 17:01.29 | xroberx | Chryseus: when you get used to something it's difficult to change, say you have spent 5 years learning C++ and then a new lang called D++ appears, what would you do ? ;) |
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| 17:02.01 | Tm_T | hmm, there IS language called D iirc |
| 17:02.17 | Chryseus | xroberx: Ive never had any problems with that.. Maybe im just good to adapt |
| 17:02.17 | frb | I've been getting used to the gui method of Ctrl-A meaning select all and such because gui is different than cmdline |
| 17:02.29 | frb | But even IE uses ctrl-d to add a bookmark |
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| 17:02.51 | xroberx | Chryseus: then you are better than me, my mind/time is limited |
| 17:03.18 | Tm_T | http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ |
| 17:03.19 | Tm_T | ;) |
| 17:03.33 | xroberx | thangs god i've found the best lang ever (i.e python) hehe |
| 17:03.45 | frb | safari uses modifier-d, fx, ie, use ctrl-d, konq changes that |
| 17:04.50 | xroberx | Tm_T: yeah, i know there are lots of languages, only a few of them are good enough though |
| 17:05.00 | Chryseus | xroberx: I expand my mind ;P |
| 17:05.32 | xroberx | :) |
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| 17:06.10 | Tm_T | xroberx: yu |
| 17:06.15 | xroberx | yu ? |
| 17:06.57 | Tm_T | yes ;) |
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| 17:07.08 | xroberx | what's yu ? |
| 17:07.17 | xroberx | a lang ? |
| 17:07.35 | Tm_T | saying "yu" I mean't "yes" |
| 17:07.41 | Tm_T | got it? =) |
| 17:08.00 | xroberx | ohhhh, excuse i'm spanish, and there is some vocabulary i don't still get :) |
| 17:08.48 | vryzhkov | А що буде якщо я таке напишу :) |
| 17:08.49 | Tm_T | heh, I never seen anyone else using yu than me :p |
| 17:08.50 | Kwarq | Tm_T, than (n=than@nat-pool-str.redhat.com) was last seen quitting #kde 1 hour 33 minutes ago (23.11. 10:37) stating "Client Quit" after spending 5 hours 42 minutes there. |
| 17:09.05 | Tm_T | wtf |
| 17:09.09 | xroberx | wth |
| 17:09.16 | Tm_T | ah, seen xroberx |
| 17:09.18 | Kwarq | Tm_T, if you can't see xroberx here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ |
| 17:09.25 | Tm_T | ;) |
| 17:09.28 | xroberx | lol |
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| 17:09.34 | stjepan | hello |
| 17:09.37 | vryzhkov | hello |
| 17:09.45 | PhilRod | does anyone own that bot? it seems to be mainly useless and annoying? |
| 17:09.48 | pinotree | seen death? |
| 17:09.49 | stjepan | items in pager are rectangles, but I want squares |
| 17:09.52 | Tm_T | never seen that bot before |
| 17:10.08 | vryzhkov | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.43 | vryzhkov | who speak russian? pr ukranian? |
| 17:10.57 | vryzhkov | nobody? |
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| 17:11.10 | pinotree | vryzhkov: #kde-ru ? |
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| 17:11.34 | vryzhkov | :) thanks |
| 17:11.35 | stjepan | vryzhkov: croatian |
| 17:12.05 | stjepan | I find KDE not enough configurable :( |
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| 17:12.30 | reaI | hello, is there a qt binding for bash?? |
| 17:12.40 | pinotree | eh? |
| 17:12.47 | reaI | so if i have a simple qt button and press a button and it fills a list with output from bash? |
| 17:12.53 | reaI | rather then from c or pygtk or whatever it does |
| 17:13.04 | reaI | kind of like xdialog and zenity only qt |
| 17:13.07 | Gentle | that's got nothing to do with bindings |
| 17:13.41 | reaI | wrong word then, i guess i want interface |
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| 17:14.14 | sredna | reaI: Take a look at kdialog |
| 17:14.16 | PhilRod | reaI: use kdialog |
| 17:14.20 | PhilRod | or kommander |
| 17:14.22 | sredna | Ph ;) |
| 17:14.25 | sredna | PhilRod: ;) |
| 17:14.27 | reaI | thanks!! |
| 17:14.30 | PhilRod | heh, gmta |
| 17:14.47 | reaI | i really just want the qt list, like in amarok |
| 17:14.56 | reaI | its so much better then anything else |
| 17:15.53 | PhilRod | well, if you're writing an app in C++, you can just exec() (or whatever) the command you want. Alternatively, take a look at kommander |
| 17:16.17 | Gentle | exec doesn't return the output though, he had to get the output from /proc |
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| 17:17.09 | sredna | There are nice qt bindings for ruby |
| 17:17.56 | PhilRod | Gentle: oh, ok - I guess you could use QProcess or whatever the appropriate Qt class is called |
| 17:18.07 | pinotree | KProcess |
| 17:18.12 | PhilRod | or the Qt ruby or python bindings |
| 17:18.30 | sredna | Try 'kde:KProcess' in konqueror for an overview |
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| 17:18.51 | litb | what is a SIP-URI? |
| 17:19.07 | litb | is that a VOIP Number? |
| 17:19.18 | sredna | A uniform resource identifier for a SIP |
| 17:20.56 | litb | i've a VoiceOverIP Number at 1und1. is there a SIP too? i want to use kcall with it |
| 17:22.00 | sredna | Well, SIP stands for 'session initiation protocol' |
| 17:22.10 | sredna | But probably |
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| 17:25.52 | dirwin | is there a way to make a window dock to the side of the screen and not move or let anything go under or over it (like a second toolbar almost) |
| 17:26.51 | PhilRod | I think you can set the window type to "toolbar" or something with the window menu (Alt+F3) |
| 17:26.57 | stjepan | look at fvwm: http://www.sysphere.org/anrxc/usr/images/shots/00-codeine.png |
| 17:27.05 | stjepan | I want to make kde look like that |
| 17:27.14 | stjepan | I do not know how to add these app buttons on the right |
| 17:27.40 | stjepan | is there any kde applet for that? |
| 17:28.04 | PhilRod | have a second panel |
| 17:28.11 | stjepan | I did |
| 17:28.22 | stjepan | but now I do not know how to meke this application launchers |
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| 17:28.39 | PhilRod | right click->add -> application button |
| 17:29.03 | linux-newbie-s | hi all, i am now on windows box, when i am on linux i want to install pppoe how do i do that from kde ? |
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| 17:29.48 | PhilRod | linux-newbie-s: depends on your distribution. Best to ask in that channel |
| 17:30.01 | linux-newbie-s | linux red hat 7.2 |
| 17:30.08 | stjepan | PhilRod: but now there is no label, only icon :( |
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| 17:32.15 | PhilRod | stjepan: doesn't look like you can have text. You could try one of the replacement panels available on kde-apps.org |
| 17:32.46 | kyron | ...so as I was asking...: hey all, I have two laptops working with kwifimanager and different nics... They both have the same problem that, the wlan0 nick is added upon starting kwifimanager but the 1- default profile is not loaded 2-once the default profile is loaded, it doesn't call dhcpcd on the wlan0 card...anyone has a pointer toresolving that? |
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| 17:36.14 | dirwin | hi room |
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| 17:37.01 | PhilRod | hi dirwin |
| 17:37.19 | dirwin | i am trying to get a program to be able to stick to the side of my desktop - nothing able to try and expand over it or under it, is there any way to do this? |
| 17:37.33 | sredna | dirwin: Kicker ;) |
| 17:37.40 | dirwin | lol |
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| 17:38.11 | calcanhar | salut! anyone has any idea why my HD is being constantly accessed under kde? |
| 17:38.22 | dirwin | because it is looking for someing? |
| 17:38.25 | sredna | dirwin: Dont' laugh too much, it's possible to add a 'universal sidebar' kicker panel which potentially can embed an app |
| 17:38.31 | calcanhar | maybe |
| 17:38.37 | dirwin | how do i do that? |
| 17:38.44 | calcanhar | or maybe it's writing something |
| 17:38.50 | stjepan | how to add label for an application launcher in kicker? |
| 17:39.15 | PhilRod | calcanhar: fam, probably. Someone was here with a similar problem the other day |
| 17:39.20 | dirwin | how to make a "universal sidebar" kicker panne?l |
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| 17:40.00 | PhilRod | dirwin: [17:27] <PhilRod> I think you can set the window type to "toolbar" or something with the window menu (Alt+F3) |
| 17:40.02 | dirwin | or should i just google that part |
| 17:40.15 | calcanhar | PhilRod, what is fam? daemon? |
| 17:40.28 | sredna | Auch, the universal sidebar is unusable :( |
| 17:40.36 | PhilRod | calcanhar: file alteration monitor. Not directly a part of KDE, but KDE can use it, I think |
| 17:41.11 | calcanhar | PhilRod, any clue on how should I stop? |
| 17:41.19 | dirwin | yea, i see what you mean |
| 17:41.26 | dirwin | about alt-f3 |
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| 17:41.58 | dirwin | but seting it as dock or toolbar dose absolutly nothing |
| 17:42.57 | dirwin | i found how to add a universal sidebar, how do i put an app in it? |
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| 17:45.37 | sredna | dirwin: You need a plugin to embed a window first, afaik noone wrote one yet |
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| 17:46.05 | sredna | And the universal sidebar does completely not work in any usable way in kde 3.5 |
| 17:46.12 | PhilRod | calcanhar: I think the person who previously had that problem just removed fam |
| 17:46.46 | sredna | It crashed kwin, and piled up my desktop icons, and nothing in it was reachable |
| 17:47.25 | calcanhar | im sorry PhilRod, do you know how to remmove it? |
| 17:47.44 | calcanhar | there's no process called fam |
| 17:47.55 | dirwin | serdna> so then this whole convo, is hypothetical and pointless? |
| 17:48.20 | dirwin | i'm not swtiching anytime soon (dont have the hard drive space aside from anything else), but does any1 know if gnome is any better at this? |
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| 17:48.46 | dirwin | the kde prgrams are far better anyway, so i wouldn't swtich over this |
| 17:48.54 | calcanhar | back PhilRod |
| 17:49.04 | calcanhar | im killing all k* process |
| 17:49.15 | calcanhar | i just killed kwrapper and i shouldn't ;-) |
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| 17:55.22 | dreamwave | good morning. my system sounds are not playing. arts is running. clicking Test Sound in the control center produces sound. anyone know what might be up? |
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| 17:59.34 | _poison | hi ^^ |
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| 18:36.15 | grimweb | can I remove video functionality from kopete? |
| 18:36.38 | grimweb | it automatically connects to the bttv card |
| 18:36.49 | grimweb | thereby blocking it for KDEtv |
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| 18:39.19 | The_Ace | grimweb: Have you investigated the configure options? |
| 18:39.37 | grimweb | I only can choose BTTV, nothing else |
| 18:39.43 | grimweb | I don't have a webcam |
| 18:40.08 | dob2 | hi. i don't find any option to aligh the icons in konqueror while browsing the various directory, like on windows where the icons are aligned to a "grid", there is an option for this ? and where is ? :) |
| 18:40.35 | pinotree | dob2: ?? |
| 18:40.52 | pinotree | aren't icons aligned to a grid by default? |
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| 18:41.17 | litb | there is a dead session file in my system that prevents me to execute dcop --user xxx, because i have now 2 sessions but actually i have 1 session opened. how can i remove this dead session file? |
| 18:41.24 | grimweb | pino: mine are default as well |
| 18:41.25 | dob2 | pinotree: mine not, for example i can move the icons where i want, put an icon over another one, i don't want this |
| 18:41.50 | The_Ace | grimweb: try ask in #kopete |
| 18:41.56 | dob2 | i'd like them to be alighed |
| 18:41.57 | grimweb | thanks |
| 18:42.02 | litb | the session is named .DCOPserver_HOST1_NODISPLAY |
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| 18:42.37 | pinotree | dob2: is some sorting method enabled in view->sort ? |
| 18:43.25 | dob2 | pinotree: yes for type |
| 18:43.40 | pinotree | and then it should auto-arrange the icons |
| 18:43.48 | pinotree | which view mode? icons? |
| 18:44.36 | _poison | uhm ... in which module should I report a bug involving tooltips ? koneror / kdelibs / ?? |
| 18:44.43 | dob2 | yes but if i change type of sort it's the same |
| 18:44.55 | annma | _poison: what bug? |
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| 18:45.41 | _poison | annma: X crashes if a tooltip is too large ... |
| 18:45.48 | annma | ? |
| 18:45.51 | annma | example? |
| 18:46.15 | litb | nobody an idea? |
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| 18:47.59 | annma | _poison: do you have an example so I can reproduce? |
| 18:48.40 | _poison | annma: I have a few png's ... in konqi ... if I hover a file, X crashes .... I see a error stating the tooltip is too large ... indeed it only happens with files with an extra long comment ... |
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| 18:49.28 | _poison | annma: I can send you one of the files ... but you have to wait a few minutes till I feel like crashing X again ... |
| 18:49.44 | annma | ok |
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| 18:51.57 | kerstin | hallo |
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| 18:56.15 | garux | hello all, would anyone care to help with a cursor question/problem? |
| 18:56.39 | annma | just ask your question |
| 18:56.42 | annma | don |
| 18:56.43 | garux | http://www.substitution.net/cursor.gif |
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| 18:56.54 | garux | thats a photo of my desktop and the cursor in question |
| 18:57.09 | garux | when i move to the edge of a window i get a dead cursor |
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| 18:57.28 | garux | i dont know how to go through and see if that file is actually there, or whether i have another problem |
| 18:57.43 | annma | do you use kde default cursors? |
| 18:57.48 | garux | yes. |
| 18:57.51 | uga | uhm. That remembers me... ther was some software cursors configuration in xorg |
| 18:58.04 | annma | garux: and all kde defaults? |
| 18:58.19 | garux | yes - literally just installed fedora 4 again |
| 18:58.29 | uga | garux: do you have anything like "Option "HWCursor" boolean" in xorg.conf? |
| 18:58.31 | annma | again? |
| 18:58.40 | uga | iirc that produced something similar last time I tried |
| 18:58.48 | garux | yes. this is my first run in linux |
| 18:58.53 | garux | and i broke it twice |
| 18:58.57 | uga | heh |
| 18:59.05 | uga | reminds me of my first RH installation ;) |
| 18:59.09 | garux | then i gave kubuntu a go, but it doesnt work with my wireless card |
| 18:59.21 | garux | so im back to fedora till i learn what the hell im doing. |
| 18:59.25 | uga | I wanted to mount a zip drive and format it using "mke2fs /dev/hda" |
| 18:59.39 | garux | ive never actually gone into the xorg.conf file |
| 18:59.48 | garux | thats down in etc? |
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| 19:00.22 | uga | garux: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:00.26 | uga | sorry for the late answer |
| 19:00.26 | bushwakko | amarokapp: error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient.so.15: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director |
| 19:00.33 | garux | no problem. |
| 19:00.33 | bushwakko | I just recompiled amarok ... |
| 19:00.40 | garux | i actually remember seeing it for some reason.. |
| 19:00.43 | bushwakko | but it still whines about mysql |
| 19:01.06 | uga | garux: check for HWCursor or SWCursor |
| 19:01.28 | uga | if any is configured, comment it out with a # |
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| 19:01.33 | uga | iirc HWCursor is default |
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| 19:01.42 | annma | bushwakko: recmpiled from what sources? |
| 19:01.48 | _poison | annma: re |
| 19:01.52 | annma | re |
| 19:02.02 | annma | annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr |
| 19:02.14 | garux | ok gimme just a sec to go through |
| 19:02.16 | _poison | annma: this time my box hardlocked and I couldn't switch to a tty .. |
| 19:02.17 | uga | annma: pssst... Qt... mysql plugin... |
| 19:02.17 | _poison | =( |
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| 19:02.33 | annma | _poison: :( |
| 19:02.38 | bushwakko | annma: 1.3.6? |
| 19:02.52 | annma | bushwakko: I mean you got the sources from amarok website? |
| 19:03.00 | annma | or is that a self copiled distro? |
| 19:03.09 | garux | no i didnt find it |
| 19:03.23 | garux | neither NWcursor or SWcursor appears |
| 19:03.32 | uga | uhm |
| 19:03.58 | bushwakko | annma |
| 19:03.59 | bushwakko | gentoo |
| 19:04.13 | annma | so do you have mysql? |
| 19:04.18 | bushwakko | yes |
| 19:04.24 | bushwakko | I compiled a new version |
| 19:04.27 | bushwakko | so amarok broke |
| 19:04.31 | uga | garux: does kcontrol's dialog show the same cursor? |
| 19:04.36 | annma | a new version if what, bushwakko ? |
| 19:04.36 | uga | or loads them fine? |
| 19:04.41 | bushwakko | but I recompiled, so that should work right |
| 19:04.55 | bushwakko | a new mysql version |
| 19:04.57 | garux | i think so. i honestly dont know how many cursors there should be |
| 19:04.58 | bushwakko | dunno which |
| 19:04.59 | bushwakko | one sec |
| 19:05.21 | annma | well obviously if you recompiled mysql you need to recompile amarok now |
| 19:05.32 | uga | garux: in kcontrol, Peripherals->Mouse->Cursor theme tab-> |
| 19:05.34 | garux | i did do a bit of reading and tried the different default cursor themes the last time but it always happened that way |
| 19:06.02 | garux | i think its the cursor that turns to a hand on the edge of the window, whether its move or resize im not sure |
| 19:06.06 | bushwakko | annma: that's what I said, I recompiled amarok after the mysql thing |
| 19:06.10 | bushwakko | but I still get the error |
| 19:06.12 | bushwakko | which is weird |
| 19:06.21 | annma | well, ask in #gentoo....... |
| 19:06.34 | bushwakko | wakko@lapwakko ~/massive/incoming $ locate libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 19:06.34 | bushwakko | /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.15.0.0 |
| 19:06.34 | bushwakko | /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 19:06.49 | uga | annma: doesn't amarok use mysql through the Qt mysql plugin? |
| 19:07.01 | garux | ok, it IS the hand cursor. |
| 19:07.02 | annma | not sure |
| 19:07.14 | annma | bushwakko: ask in #amarok what mysql they use |
| 19:07.23 | bushwakko | ok |
| 19:07.24 | garux | the 4th from the left, it does appear in preview. and animates |
| 19:07.33 | uga | bushwakko: did you upgrade mysql version recently? if you read instructions right, you should have run a command to autoupgrade all packages depending on mysql |
| 19:07.37 | uga | that should include Qt mysql plugins |
| 19:08.07 | uga | garux: I can just try providing a theme of cursors that I know it's complete if you want |
| 19:08.13 | uga | it supports proper kcontrol installation |
| 19:08.26 | uga | it includes all necessary symbolic links and such |
| 19:08.31 | uga | I made it quite long time ago |
| 19:08.38 | garux | well i was going to try downloading one, from themes or something |
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| 19:09.04 | garux | its a matter of me being ignorant to where the controls are for some of things. |
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| 19:09.50 | garux | all the previews show the cursor, but if the conf file is missing the right setting in the first place it wouldnt be able to change it would it? |
| 19:10.25 | _poison | annma: email on the way ... |
| 19:10.30 | annma | ok |
| 19:10.37 | annma | _poison: what kde version do you have? |
| 19:10.40 | garux | i thought about upgrading kde to 3.4.3 but thats how i broke it las time |
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| 19:10.47 | _poison | annma: 3.4.2 |
| 19:10.55 | annma | _poison: ok, 3.5 here |
| 19:11.06 | uga | garux: some applications got symbolic (key) references to cursors, instead of loading by name iirc |
| 19:11.17 | uga | that requires doing symbolic links to those |
| 19:11.29 | uga | garux: does the same happen with all cursors? |
| 19:11.36 | uga | else i can try uploading this set... |
| 19:11.39 | garux | no just the "hand" cursor |
| 19:11.51 | garux | which i guess is for resize or move |
| 19:11.54 | _poison | annma: 3.5 ready for everyday use or should I wait for final ? |
| 19:12.08 | uga | garux: you didn't understand what I mean |
| 19:12.12 | annma | you should wait |
| 19:12.13 | uga | the hand cursor got different names |
| 19:12.26 | annma | final is almost there |
| 19:12.26 | uga | garux: the application could be using one name that you don't have |
| 19:12.35 | garux | its all applications |
| 19:12.37 | garux | all windows |
| 19:12.48 | garux | any time that cursor switches it happens |
| 19:12.50 | uga | garux: and what cursor theme are you using? |
| 19:13.00 | garux | the default right now. |
| 19:13.05 | uga | try other themes |
| 19:13.10 | uga | they might just work |
| 19:13.17 | garux | when it mentions restarting KDE. |
| 19:13.23 | uga | oh well |
| 19:13.24 | garux | is there a way to do that other than logging out? |
| 19:13.29 | uga | garux: make sure you test it before |
| 19:13.33 | uga | see the cursor in kcontrol |
| 19:13.34 | annma | _poison: got it, hovered, nothing |
| 19:13.37 | _poison | annma: k ^^ |
| 19:13.38 | annma | I keep trying |
| 19:13.42 | uga | garux: put the mouse over the cursor, |
| 19:13.48 | garux | in the preview - they all work yes. |
| 19:13.50 | uga | and you should see your cursor turning into that sample |
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| 19:14.02 | uga | if so that's only a symlink missing |
| 19:14.14 | _poison | annma: one more thing .... I'm using the proprietary nvidia drivers ... since they account for much evil i already experienced ... maybe their also somehow connected to this .... |
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| 19:14.18 | annma | _poison: I cannot see the end f the tooltip I guess but it doesnot crash |
| 19:14.26 | uga | a second... I'll ask a very knowedgefull person in the devel channel =) |
| 19:14.32 | annma | _poison: yes I would say it's not kde |
| 19:14.48 | _poison | annma: hmm .... try again a few times ? ... |
| 19:15.16 | _poison | annma: because just right now I can hover it also without problems ... |
| 19:15.18 | annma | I guess I don't see all the RAW profiles lines |
| 19:15.20 | _poison | =/ |
| 19:15.22 | _poison | strange ... |
| 19:15.28 | annma | but it doe snot crash |
| 19:15.40 | annma | I do it quickly or leave it over |
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| 19:15.59 | uga | heh, if keithp doesn't know this answer, nobody will =) |
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| 19:18.54 | garux | uga - by symbolic link you mean a mention that points towards the cursor file itself correct? |
| 19:19.17 | uga | yes, it's like a link in windows |
| 19:19.21 | uga | ln -s... |
| 19:19.25 | garux | thats what i thought. |
| 19:19.34 | _poison | annma: just now I could hover it, then i looked at the tooltip of another file in that folder ... and tried again ... and it crashed ... =( |
| 19:19.35 | uga | garux: try one thing, please |
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| 19:19.38 | uga | garux: open a konsole |
| 19:19.40 | garux | sure... |
| 19:19.54 | uga | garux: then type "export XCURSOR_DISCOVER=1" |
| 19:20.11 | uga | and run any application (the smaller the better) that has the problem |
| 19:20.36 | uga | you will see that every missing cursor is printed int he console |
| 19:20.41 | uga | it will be drawin using characters |
| 19:20.48 | uga | and their names |
| 19:21.35 | annma | _poison: I cannot make it crash here at all |
| 19:21.37 | garux | nothing happened |
| 19:21.51 | uga | garux: did you run the application in the konsole too? |
| 19:22.07 | garux | ahh wait i ran yum |
| 19:22.12 | garux | duh.. let me try again |
| 19:22.12 | glenturret | is anyone here using knoda in opensuse 10.0? |
| 19:22.34 | uga | garux: I mean, in the same konsole, run export, and then the application |
| 19:22.39 | uga | don't change to another konsole |
| 19:23.15 | garux | yahp i got it the second time |
| 19:23.37 | garux | Cursor image name: 00000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 19:23.37 | garux | Cursor hash 00000000000000000000000000000000 returns 0x0 |
| 19:23.40 | uga | if you locate what is the missing cursor, you will see the name and then the symbol |
| 19:23.50 | garux | thats what it returned |
| 19:24.01 | uga | the only thing? weird |
| 19:24.08 | uga | you should see something like... Cursor image name: 0303fff7f7e065040000818d38ff4066 |
| 19:24.11 | garux | ill try another app |
| 19:24.13 | uga | and then the cursor drawn |
| 19:25.02 | _poison | annma: ok then .... thanks for checking .... I have put a 1MB tarball at http://poison.afraid.org/pics.tar.bz2 with all the pics in that folder if you'd like to try multiple files ... |
| 19:25.31 | garux | ok.. |
| 19:25.38 | garux | i needed to open a K app |
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| 19:25.50 | garux | it did draw, let me try and see what they are |
| 19:25.53 | annma | _poison: I think it's your drivers and your xorg |
| 19:26.08 | annma | but I'll try all the pics |
| 19:26.08 | uga | ♪♫♪zuretzat, ilargia lapurtuko nuke gauero. eta zu, itsu zaude bere argia ikusteko...♫♫♪ |
| 19:26.10 | _poison | annma: k |
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| 19:26.27 | uga | garux: they are like drawings, but drawn using text characters |
| 19:26.43 | _poison | annma: then where do I file my bug report if I can't find out for sure what the cause is ? =( |
| 19:26.56 | garux | yeah... there are 4 that didnt draw |
| 19:27.00 | glenturret | is really nobody here using knoda |
| 19:27.05 | annma | I'd ask in #slackware first, _poison |
| 19:27.20 | glenturret | me? |
| 19:27.59 | annma | _poison: some of the pics have normal tooltips |
| 19:28.26 | annma | _poison: do those also make you crash? |
| 19:28.40 | _poison | annma: no |
| 19:29.12 | garux | hey uga.. |
| 19:29.27 | annma | no crash, I tried most f them |
| 19:29.35 | _poison | hmm =( |
| 19:29.38 | uga | garux: 4 that didn't draw? uhm... iirc all drew something |
| 19:29.55 | uga | garux: I mean.. those cursors you saw there are the missing ones iirc |
| 19:29.58 | _poison | annma: will try with vga driver ... |
| 19:30.00 | annma | _poison: is that the only problem you have? |
| 19:30.02 | garux | yep 4 didnt draw and had 0000 in the name |
| 19:30.11 | garux | all the rest drew and had a name in hex |
| 19:30.12 | uga | either cursors or application pixmaps |
| 19:30.20 | annma | look at kde bug database in case you see it |
| 19:30.25 | annma | in konqueror |
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| 19:30.34 | uga | garux: among those that drew something, do you recognise the hand cursor? |
| 19:30.36 | annma | as I guess this is specfic for konq |
| 19:30.54 | uga | garux: something like a closed hand with a finger up, iirc |
| 19:31.19 | garux | so restarting kde without logging in and out again? |
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| 19:31.38 | garux | yes, sort of blobby but looks more like a hand than anything else |
| 19:31.49 | uga | garux: look at the hash code |
| 19:31.49 | _poison | brb |
| 19:31.57 | uga | garux: you need to do ... a second... |
| 19:32.36 | uga | garux: ln -s hand <hash-code> in the directory of the cursors |
| 19:32.58 | uga | if that's the cursor you're missing, it should solve it |
| 19:33.22 | uga | there are quite a few hashes... |
| 19:33.37 | garux | im sorry i dont quite understand what you meant by that |
| 19:33.50 | garux | -s *means su" |
| 19:33.51 | uga | garux: ok, before the missing cursor, it printed a hash code |
| 19:33.53 | uga | a number |
| 19:34.01 | uga | garux: no, -s means "-s" ;) |
| 19:34.06 | garux | ok LOL |
| 19:34.09 | garux | sorry |
| 19:34.24 | uga | ln == link, -s == symbolic |
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| 19:34.28 | garux | so cd to the cursor dir and type that |
| 19:34.37 | uga | garux: yes |
| 19:34.45 | garux | now LOL.. i have to find that directory |
| 19:34.58 | uga | garux: can you please print the hash-code here? my cursor set is meant to have all hashes |
| 19:35.12 | uga | I could check if I have it |
| 19:35.14 | garux | yes.. gimme a sec |
| 19:35.15 | _poison | annma: it's the nvidia driver alright ...I just switched to the free nv driver and no crash ... =( damn nvidia |
| 19:35.24 | annma | _poison: ok |
| 19:35.31 | annma | too bad |
| 19:35.38 | garux | 871ce0cca2e5daf845341bcdd14f9193 |
| 19:36.00 | uga | garux: uyhm... weird, no, I don't have that hash |
| 19:36.06 | uga | and hashes are meant to be equal for all users |
| 19:36.31 | uga | garux: maybe better... give me a second. I'll make a list for you |
| 19:37.06 | garux | ok.. |
| 19:39.39 | uga | garux: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/fOWIea95.html |
| 19:39.46 | uga | that's a list of cursors you should have |
| 19:39.53 | uga | notice some of those have hashes, instead of names |
| 19:40.01 | uga | those are the symbolic links you might be mssing |
| 19:40.26 | nefertum | has anybody compiled kde from svn? |
| 19:40.51 | garux | uga - thank you |
| 19:41.14 | uga | garux: in theory, if you install RedDot cursors, you should have all of them |
| 19:41.24 | uga | it's easy to install them using KDE's control center |
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| 19:41.46 | uga | it's the theme I made. I can't hold myself responsible for other cursor sets to provide all necessary symbolic links |
| 19:41.59 | uga | sorry if you don't like the theme =) |
| 19:42.08 | garux | im doing a search using cursor to see where they all sit |
| 19:42.42 | uga | garux: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4805 |
| 19:43.01 | uga | garux: if in your local home directory, they're under /home/garux/.cursors possibly+ |
| 19:43.09 | uga | else... depends on your distro really |
| 19:43.23 | uga | try /usr/share/cursors/xorg-x11/ |
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| 19:44.07 | uga | garux: you don't really need to know where they are to install a set that has been properly packed for kde |
| 19:45.06 | garux | well theres one problem |
| 19:45.29 | _poison | annma: I spoke too soon ... the nv and vga X drivers maybe don't crash ... but they make my desktop go -> http://poison.afraid.org/crap.png |
| 19:45.37 | garux | theres no folder called cursors |
| 19:45.49 | uga | lol |
| 19:46.12 | uga | _poison: wow, that looks like fun |
| 19:46.19 | _poison | uga: yeah =( |
| 19:46.22 | uga | what's the game's name? |
| 19:46.38 | _poison | uga: It's called 'find the one to blame' |
| 19:46.55 | uga | heh |
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| 19:47.06 | _poison | uga: or better: find the software to blame |
| 19:47.11 | uga | _poison: I'm on fx5200, and never had such a problem |
| 19:47.26 | _poison | uga: kde version ? |
| 19:47.43 | uga | annma: uhm... what's the version from 1 min ago? =) |
| 19:47.56 | uga | _poison: no idea, RC1 or RC2 possibly or somethign in between ;) |
| 19:48.08 | _poison | uga ^^ |
| 19:49.16 | _poison | uga: wanna give it a try ? http://poison.afraid.org/pics.tar.bz2 <- unpack, hover in konqi till tooltip appears and check if x crashes or your box locks ^^ |
| 19:49.47 | uga | what do I win if it doesn't? =) |
| 19:50.06 | garux | ill stop asking you silly questions if you win |
| 19:50.19 | uga | haha |
| 19:50.34 | garux | cant guarantee that however |
| 19:50.36 | _poison | uga: you sir, get the fines selection of nothing. and probably a thanks for checking out ^^ |
| 19:50.40 | uga | garux: no, they're not stupid questions. Don't worry |
| 19:51.06 | uga | _poison: what do I need to hover? |
| 19:51.11 | uga | I have it open in ark |
| 19:51.37 | _poison | uga ... unpack it somewhere ... hover the files ... wait for tooltip ... try next .. |
| 19:52.17 | uga | _poison: oh lol, you'll have to wait a little bit then. I have konqueror a little bit unstable right now, since it's built against arts with visibility hidden |
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| 19:52.26 | _poison | uga: ^ ^ |
| 19:52.31 | uga | that means enabling previews will make it crash |
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| 19:53.22 | sredna | Re |
| 19:53.33 | _poison | brb |
| 19:53.50 | uga | hey sredna |
| 19:53.53 | FLAME | Hi all! :) |
| 19:54.01 | uga | sredna: I got a response from these website admins |
| 19:54.03 | sredna | uga: How your friendly webmaster doing today? |
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| 19:54.49 | Vadja | :) |
| 19:56.00 | uga | sredna: they mention "mambel fish" component seems to be causing the problem. They're investigating if the settings are right... |
| 19:56.00 | Vadja | Is here someone from Latvija?????? |
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| 19:56.01 | uga | sredna: wow! WOW! |
| 19:56.01 | sredna | uga: ? |
| 19:56.01 | cpw | mambel fish? |
| 19:56.01 | uga | sredna: can you please check http://www.trinmer.com ? |
| 19:56.01 | cpw | sounds like babelfish ripoff of some sort |
| 19:56.03 | sredna | Sure |
| 19:56.12 | garux | uga.. quick question again.. |
| 19:56.15 | uga | sredna: it sounds like they fixed it. Either they removed the module, or made it work at last. No more problems |
| 19:56.18 | garux | can i restart kde wihtout logging out? |
| 19:56.30 | garux | or is that process more involved anyway |
| 19:56.35 | sredna | cpw: Multilingual support plugin for joomla I guess |
| 19:56.56 | uga | garux: uhm.. you can make some components reload if you type kbuildsycoca... or kdeinit, but that's not like restarting completely |
| 19:56.56 | sredna | uga: It speaks spanish to me now |
| 19:56.59 | Vadja | PLEASE help! :D Teel please more servers of KDE!!!! |
| 19:57.01 | uga | sredna: good! =) |
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| 19:57.09 | uga | that means it got fixed. I'll e-mail them back thanking for it |
| 19:57.18 | sredna | uga: Maybe. If it does speak english, it should |
| 19:57.28 | sredna | But that might be a konqueror problem |
| 19:57.38 | uga | sredna: ujhm.. it's a local page, I doubt they translate it to english |
| 19:57.43 | sredna | Vadja: What servers? |
| 19:58.02 | uga | it's a site talking about recent upgrades on antennae systems around here, and new digital tv setups |
| 19:58.17 | Vadja | emm.. For |
| 19:58.23 | Vadja | chanels~! :) |
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| 19:58.53 | lynxlynxlynx | greetings |
| 19:59.03 | Vadja | hi! :) |
| 19:59.04 | sredna | Vadja: Do /list #kde* |
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| 19:59.26 | Vadja | sredna: thnx |
| 19:59.36 | sredna | :) |
| 19:59.37 | uga | sredna: I'll test if they have any -eu translation just in case |
| 19:59.59 | lynxlynxlynx | i'm using kde 3.4.3 and have a wierd problem - I cannot add ksysmon (applet) to the panel, it is not even listed in the available choices. :s |
| 20:00.43 | sredna | lynxlynxlynx: So, its not installed |
| 20:00.46 | lynxlynxlynx | it's wierd since other users have it, but i couldn't trace which part of kde would install it |
| 20:00.58 | uga | sredna: no, just spanish it seems |
| 20:01.00 | lynxlynxlynx | i have pretty much all kde installed |
| 20:01.00 | sredna | lynxlynxlynx: Iirc it is in the kdeaddons module |
| 20:01.05 | Fub | can I stop konqueror from moving files to the wastebin as default |
| 20:01.09 | lynxlynxlynx | let me check |
| 20:01.22 | lynxlynxlynx | :D |
| 20:01.33 | sredna | Fub: .. and delete them instead? |
| 20:01.33 | lynxlynxlynx | indeed, i do not have it installed, thank you |
| 20:01.41 | Fub | sredna, yes |
| 20:01.41 | sredna | Fub: Just switch the shortcuts |
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| 20:01.47 | lynxlynxlynx | shift+del |
| 20:02.01 | Fub | lynxlynxlynx, I want it to do it as a default |
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| 20:02.10 | Fub | I want to get rid of the wastebin alltogether |
| 20:02.11 | lynxlynxlynx | ah |
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| 20:02.19 | Fub | sredna, switch shortcuts? |
| 20:02.19 | Vadja | So, linux is wery nice OS |
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| 20:02.35 | lynxlynxlynx | i don't think you can permanently - when i deleted it, it was there after a new session |
| 20:02.40 | sredna | Fub: Thoe ones for delete and move to trash ;) |
| 20:02.56 | shevegen | Hi, i have a question about konsole. Is there any way to make the Window name == file_name of currently open file? (I am sometimes using vim to edit a file, and it would be handy if i wouldnt have to manually label the window == filename) |
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| 20:02.58 | Vadja | But most video cards havn't got drivers for it!: ( |
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| 20:03.36 | Fub | lynxlynxlynx, I'm not sure you're right, but if you are, I do think it's a shortcoming in KDE |
| 20:03.49 | lynxlynxlynx | i didn't try that hard |
| 20:03.56 | lynxlynxlynx | and i agree |
| 20:04.32 | Fub | sredna, sorry for being a bit stupid, but how do I switch the shortcuts |
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| 20:05.06 | PtitGNU | 'lo |
| 20:05.07 | lynxlynxlynx | Vadja, nonsense |
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| 20:05.22 | PtitGNU | oops :) |
| 20:06.13 | Vadja | and i've got SIS card on ASUS motherboard! :( |
| 20:06.16 | sredna | Fub: Try the kde control center |
| 20:06.53 | lynxlynxlynx | oh, i don't count integrated gfx as "most" ;P |
| 20:07.06 | lynxlynxlynx | anyway, are you sure it doesn't work? |
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| 20:07.28 | lynxlynxlynx | i guess it doesn't have 3d acceleration |
| 20:08.01 | lynxlynxlynx | if so, vesa is good enough imho |
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| 20:08.22 | Vadja | i have a good card |
| 20:08.35 | Vadja | but there iz no driver for LINUX SUSE! :( |
| 20:08.47 | Vadja | Only for RedHat |
| 20:08.56 | Fub | vadja, what card do you have? |
| 20:09.05 | lynxlynxlynx | sounds odd |
| 20:09.10 | Vadja | SiS 650 |
| 20:09.59 | Fub | hmm, doesn't SUSE use RPM? Wouldn't it be possible to install the drivers with that? |
| 20:10.35 | lynxlynxlynx | SIS 650 integrated video - VGA |
| 20:10.35 | lynxlynxlynx | OK: Known as CRT1 to the driver. Supported by XFree86 4.3 native sis driver and VESA framebuffer. |
| 20:10.56 | Vadja | No... SUSE use them, but i don't know why, but they're not instaling |
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| 20:10.59 | lynxlynxlynx | sis is the driver in the kernel, you can get it anywhere |
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| 20:11.08 | lynxlynxlynx | as i said, vesa works too |
| 20:11.18 | PtitGNU | mmmh, # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/kde-base/kde/kde-3.5.0.ebuild,v 1.1 2005/11/22 22:13:59 danarmak Exp $ <-- is it normal ? |
| 20:11.20 | _poison | *g* I'm having slight probs with my keyboard ... if I plug it in USB, the multimedia keys that should repeat when hold down (volume +/-, ...) do not repeat. if I use the PS/2 adapter, most multimedia keys don't work ... is there a way to configure that in kde ? |
| 20:11.35 | Vadja | I know that vesa works, but i don't have 3d acceliration then! :( |
| 20:11.38 | lynxlynxlynx | PtitGNU, jep |
| 20:12.03 | Fub | vadja |
| 20:12.04 | lynxlynxlynx | Vadja, well did you try the sis driver? |
| 20:12.10 | Fub | it might not be enabled in the kernel |
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| 20:12.17 | Fub | try go to a console |
| 20:12.33 | Fub | get into root mode and then type modprobe crtpci |
| 20:12.44 | Fub | sorry |
| 20:12.46 | Vadja | Someone hlep me with that... because i have linux only for 2 days! :) |
| 20:12.47 | Fub | cmpci |
| 20:12.50 | PtitGNU | lynxlynxlynx: but it's not released... i'm wrong ? |
| 20:12.53 | garux | uga - you still around? |
| 20:12.58 | uga | yes |
| 20:13.08 | Fub | Vadja, open a console |
| 20:13.10 | garux | i installed another cursor theme and got the same problem |
| 20:13.12 | Fub | type su |
| 20:13.18 | Fub | type root passwd |
| 20:13.21 | garux | this isnt a totally big deal. |
| 20:13.24 | uga | garux: as I said, I can only guarantee reddot |
| 20:13.27 | Fub | type modprobe crtpci |
| 20:13.27 | Vadja | how to open a console? :DD |
| 20:13.31 | uga | garux: but it shoudl work with most |
| 20:13.35 | garux | i can try that... |
| 20:13.37 | lynxlynxlynx | http://www.winischhofer.net/sis/sis_drv.o_xorg_6.8.2_gcc3_180905-1.tar.gz |
| 20:13.43 | uga | garux: it may be a problem with your distribution |
| 20:13.50 | lynxlynxlynx | PtitGNU, ah |
| 20:13.58 | uga | garux: if you want to install the cursor theme, best do it from kcontrol |
| 20:14.00 | Fub | vadja, if you're in kde, find something called terminal |
| 20:14.02 | garux | i did look. but saw no info on it |
| 20:14.06 | lynxlynxlynx | i thought only the header itself was confusing you |
| 20:14.24 | garux | yes, but if i dont know where the theme file is, how can i install it. |
| 20:14.27 | Vadja | so, i oppened a terminal! :) |
| 20:14.39 | garux | do i have to go download it first or is it inside the system be default |
| 20:14.51 | uga | garux: open kcontrol, peripherals, Mouse->cursor theme |
| 20:14.52 | Fub | ok, that's your console, sorry for not making it clear, now do what I said above |
| 20:15.03 | garux | i knwo i sound stupid, but some of the things i would normally do in windoze, i just dont know the parallel equilvalent in linux |
| 20:15.10 | uga | garux: press "install new theme" and select the targz you just now downloaded |
| 20:15.21 | garux | ok yeah thats what i thoughtl |
| 20:15.22 | vaxo | how can i customize the kmenue so that i only have the entries i want to have? |
| 20:15.24 | frb | garux: usually hat's because in linux they are easier |
| 20:15.36 | lynxlynxlynx | vaxo, there is a menu editor |
| 20:15.38 | garux | FRB. not always LOL |
| 20:15.41 | vaxo | kmenuedit and copying over the .kde dir doesnt work |
| 20:15.48 | garux | i could have fixed this in regedit in 4 minutes |
| 20:15.49 | lynxlynxlynx | k->settings-> |
| 20:15.54 | lynxlynxlynx | ah |
| 20:15.54 | uga | garux: lol |
| 20:15.58 | vaxo | where does kmenuedit store its stuff? |
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| 20:16.07 | garux | but only because i know where to look |
| 20:16.13 | Vadja | so, what then? :) |
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| 20:16.17 | lynxlynxlynx | probably somewhere deep in ~/.kde |
| 20:16.21 | uga | garux: if you ever write DCOM code for windows, you'll begin hating regedit, and you'll understand why it crashes so much |
| 20:16.37 | garux | i leave code up to smart people like you guys |
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| 20:16.41 | garux | im a graphic designer... |
| 20:16.42 | uga | hehe |
| 20:16.43 | vaxo | i moved anything .kde* to /etc/skel on the master cd |
| 20:16.47 | vaxo | didnt work |
| 20:16.57 | uga | garux: oh, you may want to fix my cursor theme then =) |
| 20:16.59 | garux | and sometime windoze network guy on the junior level |
| 20:17.02 | uga | it's all svg files, included in the tarball |
| 20:17.19 | vaxo | since all the fscking .desktop files are read in systemwide etc |
| 20:17.25 | pinotree | re |
| 20:17.30 | garux | im using linux to broaden my knowledge base so im not just a "clicker" |
| 20:17.34 | vaxo | rming all of them and kde looks odd ;) |
| 20:17.43 | garux | and yes, uga ill give your theme a go |
| 20:18.04 | uga | garux: heh, rather than my theme, unless you really want to, you could join the plasma project |
| 20:18.09 | garux | do you have a link for it? |
| 20:18.10 | uga | I'm sure they appreciate help from artissts |
| 20:18.16 | garux | ill just try it to see if it works. |
| 20:18.27 | uga | garux: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4805 |
| 20:18.30 | uga | that's the link |
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| 20:18.42 | garux | if it its just something simple like a missing cursor |
| 20:18.53 | garux | i can compare it and repalce the missing ones |
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| 20:19.54 | adamt | is 3.5.0 out or not? |
| 20:20.02 | uga | garux: yes |
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| 20:20.16 | uga | adamt: uhm? obviously not |
| 20:20.35 | uga | adamt: you'll notice when dot.kde.org is down |
| 20:20.36 | Chryseus | theres 3.5 ebuild in portage |
| 20:20.36 | vaxo | and |
| 20:20.45 | vaxo | how do i remove the cdrom icon on the desktop? |
| 20:20.52 | pinotree | Qt: 3.3.5 |
| 20:20.56 | pinotree | KDE: 3.5.0 |
| 20:20.57 | adamt | uga: portage got 3.5.0 ebuilds =) |
| 20:21.00 | pinotree | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 20:21.03 | uga | adamt: so what? =9 |
| 20:21.04 | pinotree | :D |
| 20:21.12 | pinotree | uga: ^^ |
| 20:21.23 | uga | adamt: I could name those packs 8.0, and you'd think it's kde 8? =) |
| 20:21.36 | adamt | uga: ... well.. somehow i think the packages have to be released before making the ebuilds *-) |
| 20:22.08 | uga | adamt: as far as I know an RC2 is on the way |
| 20:22.17 | Sho_ | RC2 has been released days ago |
| 20:22.18 | uga | so I'd pretty much doubt that will be your dear release |
| 20:22.22 | adamt | could be the rc2 then |
| 20:22.26 | uga | Sho_: oh, had coolo finally tagged? |
| 20:22.27 | garux | i saw a bit of 3.5 during my short stay in kubuntu |
| 20:22.43 | garux | very nice compared to 3.4 |
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| 20:22.48 | uga | Sho_: I read he was moving the tag yet, and somebody forgot to change the /topic in -devel then? |
| 20:22.50 | Sho_ | uga: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-rc2/src |
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| 20:22.59 | adamt | +kdebase-startkde-3.5.0.ebuild: Ebuilds for KDE 3.5.0 final. It is not yet released, and is package.masked. |
| 20:23.03 | uga | Sho_: uhm... so please fix the topic ;) |
| 20:23.07 | adamt | hmm. |
| 20:23.11 | adamt | wonder what it is then =) |
| 20:23.12 | uga | Sho_: if you're sure, that is |
| 20:23.29 | Sho_ | adamt: Gentoo packager stupidity. Over-compensating for being a week late on RC1. |
| 20:23.37 | uga | adamt: a gentoo fart ;) |
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| 20:23.57 | adamt | Sho_: rc1 has been in portage for some time now |
| 20:24.38 | Sho_ | adamt: yes, but more than a week after it was released |
| 20:25.09 | adamt | probably not , than they would have to upload gnome 2.14 by now since it was delayed several weeks =) |
| 20:25.34 | adamt | (and yes, i know, gnome 2.14 is 5-6 months into the future ;) |
| 20:28.58 | adamt | gentoo admins says it's a prerelease... things are getting wierder |
| 20:29.43 | Theory_ | gentoo are just going to make cvs/svn an integrated part of emerge so you can always be bleeding edge? |
| 20:30.04 | adamt | they have long time ago, look at e17 |
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| 20:30.23 | straw | 3.5 release was today, but a second rc was decided on |
| 20:30.38 | adamt | so the 3.5 release was withdrawn? |
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| 20:30.53 | straw | apparently. go look at the ftp |
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| 20:31.06 | uga | adamt: uhm? e17? I thought that was a chimera |
| 20:31.12 | garux | uga.. |
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| 20:31.18 | garux | yer theme works |
| 20:31.26 | adamt | uga: enlightenment dr17 .. |
| 20:31.29 | garux | no more dead cursor. |
| 20:31.30 | sorush20 | my kde is very slow what the hell can I do to speed it up. |
| 20:31.32 | uga | garux: I rock ;) |
| 20:31.39 | uga | garux: people don't know doing proper cursors ;)) |
| 20:31.40 | garux | yes i was going to say you do |
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| 20:32.08 | adamt | i suppose the withdrawn 3.5.0 can't be any worse than 3.5-rc1.. hmm |
| 20:32.11 | garux | so im going to look and try and download the original themes again |
| 20:32.21 | garux | i want to thank you for your help |
| 20:32.44 | garux | its very important for us windoze people that we can use the mouse, it makes us comfortable |
| 20:33.00 | Sho_ | adamt: "withdrawn 3.5.0"? |
| 20:33.24 | Sho_ | there is no "withdrawn 3.5.0" |
| 20:33.41 | uga | garux: no problem. In case you want to fix other cursors, you just need to check missing files, but better I'll give you a list of links my package does |
| 20:33.44 | adamt | Sho_: if the 3.5.0 final that was released was replaced by an rc2 that would make the 3.5.0 final withdrawn i suppose =) |
| 20:33.44 | uga | they're in the sources anyway |
| 20:33.57 | Sho_ | adamt: There has been no 3.5.0 final that has been replaced by RC2 |
| 20:34.14 | adamt | if people could just agree on this >.< |
| 20:34.36 | straw | November 29rd, 2005: Targetted Release Date |
| 20:34.38 | garux | yeah. i was going to go restart again with one of the default themes and see that now your theme works it has fixed the links in the .conf file |
| 20:34.51 | straw | previously, that read November 23rd, 2005: Targetted Release Date |
| 20:35.00 | Sho_ | adamt: KDE 3.5 RC2 has prepared on November 21st and will be announced when there are enough binary packages to do so, as usual. If RC2 rocks it will become 3.5.0 final, if not, there will be additional changes. The usual process :) |
| 20:35.22 | uga | garux: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/u9TzU294.html |
| 20:35.25 | straw | ~yesterday, rc2 appeared on ftp |
| 20:35.27 | annma | adamt: there is nothing solid when it comes to release |
| 20:35.31 | uga | garux: those are all the links every cursor set should have |
| 20:35.38 | annma | adamt: better release late but good |
| 20:35.44 | adamt | annma: that i know of |
| 20:35.46 | straw | yeah, what Sho_ said :) |
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| 20:35.59 | uga | garux: the usage is "ln -sf <origin> <destination>" |
| 20:36.01 | Sho_ | straw: "Targetted release date" does not mean "it will be done on that day". It's a *target*. The schedule is not on *developer*.kde.org without reason. This is not a commitment :) |
| 20:36.09 | adamt | Sho_: suppose i should contact the maintainer then: "+kdebase-startkde-3.5.0.ebuild: Ebuilds for KDE 3.5.0 final. It is not yet released, and is package.masked." |
| 20:36.10 | annma | yes |
| 20:36.10 | uga | garux: which links an existing file to a non existing destination |
| 20:36.21 | Sho_ | adamt: yes, that's Gentoo stupidity |
| 20:36.25 | annma | yes |
| 20:36.34 | straw | Sho_: yes, *i'm* not confused |
| 20:36.35 | uga | garux: the names on the left hand are the cursor pixmaps that usually exist, the hashes on the right, are the symbols that might be missing for you |
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| 20:36.44 | adamt | i just want to know if anybody knows what those packages is then :P |
| 20:36.52 | annma | ask in #gentoo |
| 20:36.57 | adamt | annma: i did |
| 20:37.02 | annma | for latest use kde svn |
| 20:37.07 | Sho_ | adamt: The Gentoo guy probably misread coolo's mail from the 21st as "RC2 will be final" and thought "oh cool, I can use the MD5 sums of those tarballs to prepare the final ebuilds and push them out" |
| 20:37.10 | adamt | their minds are splitted =) |
| 20:37.11 | annma | you'll be always sure what that is |
| 20:37.21 | uga | garux: notice the theme is the oldest you can find in kde-look... and the only complete one, except for a few that used my install tools ;) |
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| 20:38.09 | uga | garux: it could also be that it's loading the theme right from .cursor dir from your home directory |
| 20:38.20 | uga | and not from other places. It's hard to tell what the exact problem is |
| 20:39.15 | adamt | on the other hand.. this explains why the packages haven't been pushed to the rsync-mirrors... aha |
| 20:39.25 | garux | ok.. i think i have all that. |
| 20:39.32 | garux | ive save the page in any case |
| 20:39.43 | Sho_ | adamt: because they never existed ;) |
| 20:40.02 | garux | in the process of doing all this, and i changed my overall theme, and it screwed me up a bit |
| 20:40.11 | garux | the fonts and window sizes changed. |
| 20:40.16 | Sho_ | adamt: there are no packages for those ebuilds, and when the tarballs change from RC2, the md5sums supplied with them will be wrong too, and he'll have to push new ebuilds anyway ... like I said, stupidity :) |
| 20:40.33 | uga | garux: ugh, that shouldnt' happen just for touching cursors |
| 20:40.54 | uga | garux: if you want a nice font setting, I suggest choosing Bitstream Vera Sans as font |
| 20:41.05 | uga | it renders quite nicely. nice antialiasing... |
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| 20:42.09 | uga | garux: and if you have a tft monitor, make sure you enable subpixel hinting (similar to windows' Clear Type fonts) |
| 20:42.15 | garux | yes, i was also messing with the main theme. |
| 20:42.26 | garux | thats something thats weird to my laptop |
| 20:42.27 | uga | s/similar/same |
| 20:42.30 | garux | its not quite clean |
| 20:42.36 | uga | uhm |
| 20:42.45 | garux | i had to resort to using bitmap fonts because it doesnt seem to anti-alias correctly |
| 20:43.09 | uga | try in kcontrol->appearence & themes->fonts |
| 20:43.15 | garux | thats where i went. |
| 20:43.17 | uga | enable antialiasing, and... |
| 20:43.22 | uga | configure |
| 20:43.29 | garux | very strange how it defaults to Arial, but you then cannot adjust Arial. |
| 20:43.30 | uga | select use subpixel hinting, |
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| 20:43.40 | uga | and hinting style=full |
| 20:43.46 | anisX | hello kderian |
| 20:43.46 | garux | UGA gets lots of medals |
| 20:43.50 | garux | gold and platinum |
| 20:43.51 | uga | garux: possibly because you don't have Arial installed |
| 20:43.53 | uga | lol |
| 20:44.13 | garux | yeah, but thats the way Fedora comes after a fresh install |
| 20:44.19 | garux | i can understand why it doesnt. |
| 20:44.19 | uga | garux: those fonts are part of microsoft packs. They can be installed though, more or less easily, depending on your distribution |
| 20:44.31 | garux | id rather use Helvetica |
| 20:44.37 | anisX | where is illogic-al |
| 20:44.40 | garux | its a designer thing LOL |
| 20:44.46 | uga | heh |
| 20:44.55 | garux | arial is the ms bastard of helvetica |
| 20:44.55 | uga | I quite like bitstream vera fonts |
| 20:45.07 | garux | because there were licensing issues in the early days |
| 20:45.08 | uga | garux: but non antialiased helvetica is rather crap |
| 20:45.17 | garux | bitstream is nice. and along teh same lines |
| 20:45.29 | garux | im a bit of a font junkie |
| 20:45.36 | garux | i have roughly 10k worth of fonts |
| 20:45.42 | straw | vera seems quite close to verdana |
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| 20:45.48 | garux | most of which are useless but for design purposes |
| 20:46.12 | uga | garux: there are lots of font packs.. at least here in gentoo. Lemme give you a nice list |
| 20:46.51 | Sho_ | straw: Only that Vera is horribly hinted |
| 20:47.28 | garux | well im planning to just use some of my .ttf fonts |
| 20:47.32 | straw | Sho_: yeah, true |
| 20:47.36 | garux | one i figure how to get the font server to do that. |
| 20:47.40 | garux | but thats down the road |
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| 20:47.55 | garux | i need to do practical things like working with NFS and Samba first |
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| 20:48.31 | garux | roxorz does uga |
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| 20:48.49 | straw | actually, i came across http://www.will-harris.com/verdana-georgia.htm the other day |
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| 20:48.59 | straw | kind of interesting |
| 20:49.05 | garux | georgia is nice... |
| 20:49.13 | garux | sometimes cleaner than verdana |
| 20:49.20 | garux | verdana isnt nice to use in print work |
| 20:49.26 | Sho_ | Never really liked Verdana, though ... Tahoma is for me =) |
| 20:49.32 | sredna | Verdana is designed for screen usate |
| 20:49.34 | uga | oh my.. the list is too long for editing ;) |
| 20:49.37 | sredna | Usage |
| 20:49.49 | garux | most of the true type fonts are |
| 20:50.07 | garux | but clients want to use what they say |
| 20:50.11 | garux | see.. rather |
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| 20:50.35 | bssteph | word |
| 20:50.43 | sredna | Hi bssteph :) |
| 20:50.50 | garux | i try to explain things. but the client gets what they want |
| 20:50.52 | bssteph | i just restarted x because i noticed bitstream vera wasn't in my installation :o |
| 20:50.53 | adamt | bitstream vera rock =) |
| 20:50.57 | bssteph | hey sredna :) |
| 20:51.26 | adamt | Sho_: hinting? i have been wondering about that word for some time now.. |
| 20:51.51 | SirTalon | does anyone know if its normal for Kaffeine's volume to be a lot lower than xine's (the normal xine frontend)? |
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| 20:52.13 | sredna | Hinting means coding how individual letter combinations works |
| 20:52.24 | sredna | Some letters looks different in different combinations |
| 20:52.30 | adamt | ohh |
| 20:52.32 | Sho_ | no |
| 20:52.34 | Sho_ | that's kerning |
| 20:52.35 | garux | its called kerning |
| 20:52.40 | sredna | He, sorry :) |
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| 20:52.44 | adamt | ohh well.. sounds nice anyway |
| 20:52.47 | Sho_ | "hints" control how glyphs are rasterized at different resolutions |
| 20:52.48 | uga | shouldn't "^Foo" regexp match any line that begins with Foo? |
| 20:52.48 | garux | but hinting applies to anti-aliasing |
| 20:52.56 | uga | I'm trying to auto-do this list... |
| 20:53.01 | garux | uga... |
| 20:53.02 | sredna | No, not only space, some characters also change the shape |
| 20:53.02 | Sho_ | Vera without fuzzy anti-aliasing looks horribly bad in small sizes because it is badly hinted |
| 20:53.08 | garux | dont do any more for me |
| 20:53.11 | uga | lol |
| 20:53.12 | adamt | SirTalon: kaffeine and xines volume has nothing to do with each other =) |
| 20:53.12 | garux | you have done enough |
| 20:53.19 | SirTalon | i tried copying the ~/xine/config over kaffeine's xine-config file but it made no difference, so im not really sure whats going on |
| 20:53.20 | garux | i can find fonts with no problem |
| 20:53.27 | garux | i should learn to ue the system before i make it pretty |
| 20:53.31 | Sho_ | On a 200 dpi screen with a subpixel grid for anti-aliasing it may be fine, but on your regular CRT with 10pt and no anti-aliasing it looks like crap |
| 20:53.31 | uga | garux: haha, yes, but I feel bad that I can't remember this stuff. I'm doing for me ;) |
| 20:53.42 | garux | i set up the bitstream fonts to a normal size |
| 20:53.47 | garux | for some reason they all jumped to 12 |
| 20:53.57 | garux | www.dafonts.com |
| 20:54.05 | garux | they are all mostly true type |
| 20:54.12 | uga | garux: gentoo got more than 50 font packs if I counted right |
| 20:54.13 | garux | but its a great source |
| 20:54.24 | SirTalon | adamt: i have everything in kaffeine that looks like it would effect the volume control to the max, but its still a lot quieter (big enough difference that the kde systems sounds are REALLY loud compared to the video) |
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| 20:55.15 | garux | thats a lot |
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| 20:55.26 | straw | hm, fontconfig/xft don't seem to do very well with heavily hinted fonts, though |
| 20:55.28 | garux | shame you linux people spend all your time in the command line LOL |
| 20:55.33 | uga | garux: http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:55.38 | uga | and you have the microsoft fonts there |
| 20:55.51 | uga | I think you'll need this font list sooner or later ;) |
| 20:56.11 | garux | ive bookmarked it |
| 20:56.13 | Sho_ | too bad that the corefonts package doesn't contain Tahoma |
| 20:56.13 | SirTalon | ah, when i use the kplayer engine in kaffeine the volume is normal (exactly the same as xine) |
| 20:56.29 | SirTalon | though the video doesn't resize to the window... |
| 20:56.30 | garux | thanks again uga |
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| 20:56.52 | garux | dafonts also has the mac and postscript fonts for each |
| 20:56.57 | uga | garux: don't waste your thanks on me. Send some to annma, she does more for users than I do, really =) |
| 20:56.59 | garux | if thats easier to dump into linux |
| 20:57.12 | garux | annma roxor the doors off as well |
| 20:57.15 | uga | heh |
| 20:57.16 | annma | lol |
| 20:57.20 | garux | tho she didnt help my stupid ass |
| 20:57.26 | uga | rofl |
| 20:57.36 | annma | lol |
| 20:57.42 | garux | whats really cool is you guys didnt try to make me feel dumb |
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| 20:58.11 | uga | garux: btw, do you know http://plasma.kde.org ? |
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| 20:58.20 | uga | garux: if you're a graphics designer you might want to join |
| 20:58.42 | uga | annma: lol, ok, that was a bit too much ;) |
| 20:58.49 | garux | thats someting i need to check out |
| 20:59.09 | garux | i do mainly print work, but yeah im always interested in doing things. |
| 20:59.18 | garux | although ill refuse to use gimp LOL |
| 20:59.29 | garux | its looks ok, i just cant cheat on my photoshop |
| 20:59.34 | garux | or my illustrator |
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| 20:59.35 | uga | haha |
| 20:59.37 | garux | they my women |
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| 20:59.50 | name | lol |
| 20:59.50 | uga | garux: kde is going for SVG scalable icons |
| 20:59.56 | uga | garux: no more pixmaps, so no more gimp |
| 21:00.04 | pinotree | uga: :-S ? |
| 21:00.04 | name | kcontrol starts artsd, it has been on 100% several times now |
| 21:00.06 | adamt | and no more photoshop |
| 21:00.10 | annma | free svg not ai |
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| 21:00.40 | uga | pinotree: yes, didn't you check Oxygen icons? |
| 21:00.45 | pinotree | sure |
| 21:00.45 | dv_ | hi |
| 21:00.46 | dv_ | http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=40 <- there is no "kdm" folder in my ~/.kde/share/apps/ folder |
| 21:00.48 | garux | vector files |
| 21:00.53 | garux | thats a cool concept |
| 21:00.58 | garux | using those inside the system |
| 21:00.59 | dv_ | can I simply create it? |
| 21:01.02 | pinotree | uga: but there are many pixmaps not icons around kde :P |
| 21:01.05 | uga | garux: http://www.oxygen-icons.org/ |
| 21:01.10 | dv_ | the same with ~/.kde/share/apps/kdm |
| 21:01.23 | uga | garux: that's the set being created for the next kde release, in the plasma project |
| 21:01.37 | uga | pinotree: oh heh ;) |
| 21:01.47 | uga | pinotree: all apps should be scalable. Die pixmaps, die? ;) |
| 21:02.16 | garux | im really starting to enjoy this multiple desktop idea |
| 21:02.17 | pinotree | sure, and die also speedy at startup ;) |
| 21:02.23 | Theory_ | complete removal of pixmaps = large jump in minimum requirements? |
| 21:02.37 | garux | i use 2 monitors on my winsystem but this really makes things easy |
| 21:02.43 | annma | Theory_: how come? |
| 21:02.48 | frb | 2 monitors is better than 1 monitor |
| 21:02.52 | uga | pinotree: bleh, don't worry, longhorn is about to turn out... and they require a minimum of 512Meg ram iirc? |
| 21:02.59 | frb | 2 monitors with multiple desktop is just plain scary |
| 21:03.04 | uga | pinotree: that means by the time kde4 is out, every user will run on 10Gig cpus ;) |
| 21:03.16 | pinotree | uga: we don't have to adapt to shorthorn requirements |
| 21:03.22 | SirTalon | ahhhhhh! i didn't even know kaffeine had an equalizer... turns out it was on and everything was down all the way |
| 21:03.29 | uga | pinotree: no, but 80% user-set is rather ok? =) |
| 21:03.30 | garux | 2 monitors just makes adobe apps a little easier to use |
| 21:03.35 | uga | just taking advantage from them :P |
| 21:03.43 | pinotree | uga: and we'll lose the other 20% ;( |
| 21:03.44 | garux | in the same way developers use them to separate tools |
| 21:03.45 | frb | kde's eq always seems to cut the volume before applying filters |
| 21:03.49 | uga | pinotree: anyway, it's possible to preescale icons |
| 21:03.57 | uga | it shouldnt' be necessary to render them each time |
| 21:04.14 | pinotree | iirc there was a patch on k-c-d about a kiconserver |
| 21:04.20 | garux | its just another pre-existing idea tha linux has changed for me in less than a week |
| 21:04.33 | pinotree | kiconserver + kiconloader would do some difference |
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| 21:05.37 | garux | my next task is to manage the bootup services and get rid the of the default stuff i dont need |
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| 21:07.50 | ruggy | how do i start konqueror from the command line with the filemanagment profile |
| 21:08.02 | pinotree | ruggy: try kfmclient |
| 21:09.05 | annma | konqueror --profile File Management |
| 21:09.44 | annma | hmm, no |
| 21:09.48 | annma | doe snot work in fact! |
| 21:09.54 | pinotree | LOL |
| 21:10.21 | annma | konqueror --profile filemanagement |
| 21:10.25 | annma | ^^ good! |
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| 21:11.34 | adamt | not here.. hmm.. |
| 21:11.54 | annma | no? |
| 21:12.00 | annma | WFM |
| 21:12.00 | sredna | kfmclient --openProfile <name> |
| 21:12.08 | annma | mine should work |
| 21:12.17 | pinotree | see that was kfmclient :P |
| 21:12.20 | adamt | i just get a |
| 21:12.25 | annma | NO |
| 21:12.31 | adamt | hmm |
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| 21:12.39 | frb | fight fight! |
| 21:12.41 | adamt | tried typing again. seems to work.. weird |
| 21:12.53 | kendrick | heh |
| 21:12.55 | annma | I guess adamt has a split kdebase without profiles! |
| 21:13.18 | annma | lol |
| 21:13.22 | annma | ah ah |
| 21:13.36 | adamt | as i said, it worked.. i have most of KDE installed actually |
| 21:14.42 | adamt | why can't i put the location bar where i want it? // why can't the <merge> thing be moved.. etc |
| 21:14.57 | adamt | konqueror isn't very nice on this point |
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| 21:17.53 | annma | rooooooot! |
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| 21:18.16 | adamt | you don't say it requires root-privs to edit the toolbars =) |
| 21:18.40 | annma | I love it when a root joins |
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| 21:18.46 | adamt | ohh |
| 21:18.48 | adamt | =) |
| 21:19.03 | pinotree | annma: i'm a tree, don't you love me? :P |
| 21:19.11 | annma | trunk! |
| 21:19.13 | adamt | it's the dude that want's to find out how much time will pass before he gets hacked... he's smart =/ |
| 21:19.14 | annma | I love trunk |
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| 21:19.28 | pinotree | annma: i'm a whole tree :) |
| 21:19.28 | annma | branches! |
| 21:19.37 | rajil | guys is 3.5 released? |
| 21:19.45 | adamt | rajil: no |
| 21:19.46 | annma | rajil: nope |
| 21:19.48 | annma | rc2 |
| 21:19.48 | pinotree | Qt: 3.3.5 |
| 21:19.48 | pinotree | KDE: 3.5.0 |
| 21:19.49 | pinotree | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 21:19.50 | adamt | rajil: gentoo? |
| 21:19.56 | pinotree | du de dum... |
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| 21:20.02 | dv_ | grr |
| 21:20.06 | rajil | adamt:yup |
| 21:20.07 | annma | rajil: final got delayed |
| 21:20.07 | adamt | so.. pinotree ... you say it's released.. |
| 21:20.14 | dv_ | installing a window decoration from kde-look.org is hard... |
| 21:20.15 | adamt | rajil: look in the topic in #gentoo |
| 21:20.15 | pinotree | no |
| 21:20.21 | pinotree | oO |
| 21:20.23 | dv_ | absolutely no idea how to do that here |
| 21:20.26 | rajil | but there are 3.5.0 here ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-rc2/src |
| 21:20.26 | adamt | the packages are not on the rsync mirrors either.. |
| 21:20.32 | dv_ | the kde-look.org explanation doesnt work :( |
| 21:20.36 | annma | rc2, rajil |
| 21:20.44 | annma | Release Candidate number 2 |
| 21:20.49 | annma | not final |
| 21:20.52 | rajil | annma:without the rc2 tag ? |
| 21:21.02 | annma | without? |
| 21:21.02 | adamt | rajil: it's a mistake.. |
| 21:21.11 | adamt | rajil: as i said, it's not even on the mirrors... |
| 21:21.12 | annma | rajil: the dir says rc2 |
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| 21:21.18 | pinotree | it's rc2 |
| 21:21.28 | pinotree | i took the latest 3.5 branch |
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| 21:21.42 | rajil | adamt:uggh, no mention of rc2 on the release schedule |
| 21:21.48 | pinotree | maybe coolo tagged rc2 in the tag directory |
| 21:21.48 | adamt | no |
| 21:21.59 | adamt | i found out just half an hour ago |
| 21:22.14 | trumee | then they better be corrected |
| 21:22.35 | annma | bah |
| 21:22.49 | annma | when 3.5 fial is out you'll know from the KDE website |
| 21:22.56 | annma | that's it |
| 21:23.02 | annma | so watch it! |
| 21:23.28 | trumee | annma:i want to be the first one ;) |
| 21:23.41 | annma | install from svn then |
| 21:23.43 | adamt | no we won't since you wait with the news until all the stupid bin-packages are compiled.. |
| 21:23.47 | annma | I am the FIRST |
| 21:23.54 | adamt | so wat |
| 21:23.55 | adamt | *what |
| 21:24.12 | annma | so you are not |
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| 21:24.23 | annma | svn up |
| 21:24.36 | annma | closer to 3.5 final! |
| 21:24.54 | annma | hmm, sorry about that, was a parano trip |
| 21:24.58 | adamt | so you think you are cooler because you get kde some hours before everybody else.. |
| 21:25.03 | annma | lol |
| 21:25.12 | annma | tssss adamt |
| 21:25.14 | adamt | if it goes like the xbox 360 release you'll get a trashed pc :P |
| 21:25.24 | annma | of course not |
| 21:25.27 | adamt | and all other won't because we waited ;) |
| 21:25.34 | annma | as I can fixed it |
| 21:25.48 | _tidus | PS3 cool |
| 21:25.51 | annma | it's the purpose of having svn |
| 21:26.02 | adamt | riight.. you're God, you can do anything :) |
| 21:26.21 | annma | you just need to know C++, no need to be God itself |
| 21:26.22 | uga | good! my konqui wont' crash anymore |
| 21:26.30 | uga | who was it that wanted me to test tooltips stuff? |
| 21:26.37 | annma | oh, uga |
| 21:26.44 | annma | you have nvidia drivers? |
| 21:26.48 | adamt | anyways, i don't care, i still showcase some of the newest of KDE each day at school =) |
| 21:26.53 | uga | annma: yes |
| 21:26.55 | annma | school? |
| 21:27.01 | uga | no, job =) |
| 21:27.05 | annma | lol |
| 21:27.18 | adamt | well, some of us have to get an education =) |
| 21:27.26 | uga | heh |
| 21:27.44 | annma | some of us had had it long ago |
| 21:27.53 | annma | some of us have kids who have it |
| 21:27.55 | adamt | so us danes can keep sending way to much of our income to the rich men in Africa.. hmm |
| 21:28.16 | uga | some of us want to have kids with someone how doesn't have them |
| 21:28.24 | uga | ouch, I think that's ot ;) |
| 21:28.25 | annma | from prison, no, school |
| 21:28.29 | adamt | annma: then you will die before me, i don't need to be 20 years older ;) |
| 21:28.31 | kendrick | cya annma |
| 21:28.35 | _tidus | I want to sleep |
| 21:28.36 | kendrick | (psst - next tux paint soon!!) |
| 21:28.45 | annma | adamt: that's not sure that I'll die before you |
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| 21:28.55 | annma | kendrick: :))))))))) |
| 21:28.57 | adamt | no, i could get killed tomorrow |
| 21:29.00 | uga | kendrick: tuxpaint? woaahhhh! |
| 21:29.11 | uga | kendrick: it's the killer app! no more photoshop! no more gimp! =) |
| 21:29.14 | annma | tuxpaint roxors |
| 21:29.15 | adamt | so it doesn't really matter since it's so uncertain :P |
| 21:29.24 | kendrick | ;) |
| 21:29.24 | annma | ok, I am off |
| 21:29.27 | kendrick | cya |
| 21:29.28 | annma | bye all |
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| 21:29.32 | adamt | uga: ... no, use the potate-dude program =) |
| 21:29.41 | uga | adamt: I use that for job stuff |
| 21:29.42 | uga | :P |
| 21:29.52 | adamt | your boss must love your work |
| 21:29.56 | uga | rofl |
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| 21:30.31 | adamt | "ohh.. the newest Microsoft Windows version got a new mustache!" |
| 21:30.49 | uga | haha |
| 21:30.56 | adamt | i can imagine Ballmer aka. Monkey Boy jumping in joy |
| 21:32.09 | uga | adamt: notice kde4 will run on windows too =) |
| 21:32.21 | adamt | fine, nothing like that is mentioned in /topic |
| 21:32.27 | uga | heh |
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| 21:32.48 | adamt | uga: so you will do all the change-resolution stuff and other stuff like that for windows, too? |
| 21:32.57 | meme_ | howto empty most used apps list? |
| 21:33.07 | uga | adamt: future will tell |
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| 21:35.18 | kendrick | meme_: good question! |
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| 21:35.28 | kendrick | maybe set it to zero, then set it back to non-zero? |
| 21:35.30 | kendrick | (that seems silly |
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| 21:35.46 | trumee | guys, when i print a webpage from konqueror i get widely spaced printout. it is not the same font i see on the screen |
| 21:36.57 | meme_ | grep -R * -e 'most used apps' |
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| 21:46.18 | doktoreas | guys for someone is working the suspend option in kde? |
| 21:48.50 | tcero | Someone knows where can I find the kde libraries for designer-Qt? |
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| 21:49.47 | uga | tcero: in kdelibs |
| 21:50.18 | tcero | emmm, the compiler need kcolorcombo.h |
| 21:50.27 | tcero | and I am in debian |
| 21:50.51 | pinotree | tcero: apt-get install kdelibs4-dev |
| 21:50.52 | tcero | but I can' t find the .deb that I need to install kcolorcombo.h |
| 21:51.00 | uga | tcero: that's part of kdelibs |
| 21:51.03 | uga | kdelibs/kdeui |
| 21:51.08 | tcero | mmm |
| 21:51.16 | tcero | thank you uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu very much |
| 21:51.17 | uga | tcero: you possibly need some -devel pack, or somebody screwed up with the debian pack |
| 21:51.55 | uga | pinotree: oh, I missed your answer |
| 21:52.00 | uga | why didn't you CC me? =) |
| 21:52.02 | pinotree | uga: :P |
| 21:52.06 | pinotree | ¬.¬ |
| 21:52.45 | uga | btw, I wonder when debian will release kdelibs5 =) |
| 21:53.17 | uga | damn weird package naming... |
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| 21:54.14 | pinotree | uga: kde4 will be kdelibs5 for debian ;) |
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| 21:54.19 | uga | I know |
| 21:54.27 | uga | that's why it's so weird |
| 21:54.50 | uga | I think as they won't be releasing kde4 until 2-3 years later in debian, they want to keep up with other distro's numbering ;) |
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| 21:55.13 | cpw | kde4-3.2.4 |
| 21:55.15 | cpw | :/ |
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| 21:55.46 | cpw | yah, debian branch version numbers can get ugly |
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| 22:01.40 | rexq | should viewing webcam work in kopete in 3,5 rc1 from suse supplementary , for me nothing happens when accepting |
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| 22:05.18 | garux | bets uga sees me and runs away |
| 22:05.34 | uga | heh, no, but I'm about to go to bed |
| 22:05.35 | uga | =) |
| 22:05.41 | garux | LOL |
| 22:05.46 | garux | i wjust wanted you to know |
| 22:05.57 | garux | that any cursor theme that i can manage to install works |
| 22:06.10 | garux | anythign that was default via the installation does not |
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| 22:06.29 | garux | and to thank you for your help |
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| 22:08.18 | uga | garux: bad distribution then |
| 22:08.29 | uga | garux: a suggestion... did you give kubuntu a try? |
| 22:08.38 | garux | yes i did. |
| 22:08.46 | garux | but i only have wireless setup in the house |
| 22:09.01 | garux | and kubuntu would not work with my wireless cards |
| 22:09.12 | uga | garux: kubutu was the only one that run fine ndiswrapper for me |
| 22:09.19 | uga | most other distros just hung |
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| 22:09.30 | garux | it didnt do it by default and never found my hardware |
| 22:09.34 | uga | and my card isn't supported by opensource drivers |
| 22:09.48 | garux | fedora 4 sees it during the install and it works |
| 22:09.54 | garux | which is what im using. |
| 22:10.08 | uga | garux: wireless cards aren't too well supported in linux in general |
| 22:10.18 | garux | yeah i did about 5 hours of reading |
| 22:10.24 | uga | if at all you're lucky, you may be ablel to load the windos drivers using ndiswrapper |
| 22:10.41 | zubov | ndiswrapper works great for me |
| 22:10.41 | uga | and kubuntu was so far the only one I found that provided a working ndiswrapper module by default |
| 22:10.49 | uga | zubov: what distro? |
| 22:10.51 | zubov | gentoo |
| 22:10.58 | uga | gentoo was half ok...it hung once in a while |
| 22:11.02 | uga | debian just hung |
| 22:11.12 | garux | id really like to try Kubuntu |
| 22:11.14 | uga | suse didn't quite work either |
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| 22:11.23 | garux | i was born on the Isle of Man where canonical is based |
| 22:11.25 | uga | and kubuntu had it as module already no need even to install it |
| 22:11.30 | zubov | the distro really doesn't matter a whole lot... build your own kernel, compile your own packages, write your own scripts :) |
| 22:11.30 | uga | garux: hehe |
| 22:11.32 | zubov | works for me :) |
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| 22:11.45 | uga | zubov: that's the problem... |
| 22:11.46 | garux | but until i get a little more linux brains in me, im just going to stick with fedora |
| 22:11.52 | uga | ndiswrapper just hung by default |
| 22:11.55 | garux | i found a suitable icon package to use for now |
| 22:11.59 | uga | zubov: not sure what patches kubuntu applies to it... |
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| 22:12.16 | zubov | don't let it apply any, don't use it's package scheme... |
| 22:12.19 | uga | zubov: I've been a gentoo-ugacustom user for years, otherwise |
| 22:12.25 | garux | however kubuntu when i installed it.. DID NOT use the ndiswrapper by default |
| 22:12.30 | garux | i had to install after the install |
| 22:12.39 | uga | garux: eh? |
| 22:12.48 | garux | after the iso install |
| 22:12.48 | uga | garux: no distro will use ndiswrapper by default |
| 22:12.52 | uga | that would be silly imho |
| 22:12.57 | garux | oh ok |
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| 22:13.00 | uga | ndiswrapper needs you to install windows drivers first |
| 22:13.03 | garux | i thought that was what you said |
| 22:13.13 | garux | hmm |
| 22:13.25 | uga | garux: I just mean kubuntu provides prebuilt ndiswrapper binaries for their kernel |
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| 22:13.34 | uga | and somehow they work rather well, unlike other distributiolns |
| 22:13.37 | garux | oh ok. |
| 22:13.42 | garux | sorry.. |
| 22:14.44 | uga | garux: ndiswrapper is a tool to use windows drivers for wifi cards |
| 22:14.50 | uga | when you have no available linux drivers |
| 22:15.02 | garux | uga i know about that stuff.. i spent a night reading on it |
| 22:15.03 | uga | most wifi manufacturers don't provide enough information to create drivers |
| 22:15.08 | uga | garux: hehe |
| 22:15.21 | garux | so i know enough to know that i wouldnt have been able to manage it |
| 22:15.52 | garux | is make.sh a file i could run? |
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| 22:16.05 | garux | there is one theme package that control center cant install |
| 22:16.27 | garux | it has no file.theme |
| 22:16.32 | _poison | garux: it's a shell script you can run .... what it does i dont know ... |
| 22:16.42 | uga | garux: broken tarball. KDE created a tarball format that would allow installing easily |
| 22:16.50 | uga | I included documentation in the pack iirc |
| 22:17.09 | uga | that one you got isn't ready for kde. It will be just a bunch of cursors, compressed |
| 22:17.12 | uga | so you can copy and paste |
| 22:17.32 | garux | ok. so your info has instruc. on how to make my own using someone elses files |
| 22:17.46 | garux | theme package that is |
| 22:17.46 | doktoreas | guys wich toll should i install to handle crypt message? |
| 22:18.04 | uga | garux: the tar.gz of my icons is one of the first posted to kde-look, so I created a pdf documentation explaining how to create cursors |
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| 22:18.29 | uga | garux: and I've been improving the pack while things changed. The docs may be not too up-to-date though, but sure they still should be valid 99% |
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| 22:18.49 | garux | ok. ill look through and stop bothereing you so you can go to bed |
| 22:18.57 | garux | i do owe you one though |
| 22:18.57 | uga | garux: the pdf and the icon sources are all inside the tar.gz |
| 22:19.01 | uga | lol |
| 22:19.04 | garux | dont know how i can return the favor |
| 22:19.10 | uga | garux: got any sisters? single? =) </joke> |
| 22:19.17 | garux | not that i am aware of |
| 22:19.21 | uga | anyway, goodnight =) |
| 22:19.25 | garux | but you can have my first born child |
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| 22:21.43 | frb | is there a way to invoke kfmclient copy with rsync options? |
| 22:21.49 | frb | like only update if newer and such |
| 22:22.44 | PhilRod | don't think so |
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| 22:48.22 | ahmed | hallo |
| 22:48.38 | ahmed | wie groß muss die swap partition sein |
| 22:48.40 | ahmed | ? |
| 22:49.15 | pinotree | ahmed: hello |
| 22:49.21 | pinotree | we talk in english here |
| 22:49.29 | ahmed | oh |
| 22:49.30 | ahmed | ok |
| 22:49.33 | ahmed | sorry |
| 22:50.25 | ahmed | how large shuld be the swap partition.? |
| 22:51.24 | adamt | 1.5 times your amount of ram |
| 22:51.34 | adamt | but it's somewhat overkill mostly |
| 22:51.46 | Tm_T | there is no rule to that |
| 22:51.55 | Theory_ | arguably, non-existant |
| 22:51.55 | adamt | how much ram do you got? |
| 22:52.05 | ahmed | 512MB |
| 22:52.07 | Tm_T | I use 1.5G swap with 1G ram |
| 22:52.22 | adamt | ahmed: 1gig of swap and you should be fine.. |
| 22:52.27 | ahmed | my swap is also 1G large |
| 22:52.42 | Tm_T | why that much swap? I wanted nice total number, like 2.5G ;p |
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| 22:54.50 | Parrebuff | ? |
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| 22:55.45 | ahmed | how can i use my webcam under Linux 9.3 |
| 22:55.54 | Tm_T | eh |
| 22:55.57 | adamt | there is no such thing as linux 9.3 |
| 22:56.07 | adamt | suse maybe, but not linux ;) |
| 22:56.17 | ahmed | i mean suse |
| 22:56.41 | ahmed | is this possible |
| 22:56.43 | adamt | and you will have to wait until you get kopete 0.11 unless you want to try mercury (only heard bad reviews of it) |
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| 22:57.50 | ahmed | i'm neu Suse user, |
| 22:58.02 | Vincent_k | try #suse |
| 22:58.23 | ahmed | can you talk clearly to me please |
| 22:58.35 | Vincent_k | the channel #suse |
| 22:58.52 | Vincent_k | they can answer your question's about suse |
| 22:59.09 | Vincent_k | type /j #suse |
| 22:59.18 | ahmed | how can i change the chanel...LOL..!!!! |
| 22:59.28 | cpw | In order to obtain the best quality support for your SuSE product, please join the suse irc channel, by simply using /join #suse |
| 22:59.33 | cpw | thank you for using #kde! |
| 22:59.38 | Vincent_k | type /j #suse |
| 22:59.56 | adamt | or just click on #suse |
| 23:00.01 | cpw | that works as well |
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| 23:00.16 | ahmed | Thx |
| 23:00.18 | Vincent_k | well yes that's maybe the easiest :D |
| 23:00.30 | adamt | i just wonder why you didn't think about it |
| 23:00.50 | adamt | i mean, comeon, my window is full of suse-channel-"links" :P |
| 23:01.45 | frb | adamt: /clear |
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| 23:02.24 | adamt | yes, after i havecopied all of the internet *lol* |
| 23:02.25 | Vincent_k | it's alot of suse link's indeed.... didn't notice :D |
| 23:02.52 | adamt | i just feared we got spammed by an insane suse-lover |
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| 23:05.58 | blanky | hey, how can I set the default browser, cause whenever I click a link in something it opens in konquerer |
| 23:06.08 | Vincent_k | It wasn't meant to be spam and I'm not insane but I am a suselover :D |
| 23:06.27 | TheMonoTone | how is the port to qt 4 going I wonder |
| 23:07.07 | adamt | try asking in #plasma maybe? |
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| 23:09.48 | PhilRod | TheMonoTone: take a look at the archives of kde-core-devel or ask in #kde4-devel. The bottom line is still that unless you're a KDE developer, KDE 4 is w-a-y off and there's nothing to see here |
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| 23:11.48 | TheMonoTone | PhilRod: I just didn't see anything on the site about it, and was trying to see where I could help out with the port, thank you for pointing me in that direction |
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| 23:13.23 | PhilRod | if no one on #kde4-devel can suggest a place to get involved, ask on kde-devel@kde.org |
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| 23:16.39 | annma | TheMonoTone: did you build it yet from svn? |
| 23:18.02 | annma | TheMonoTone: ping |
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| 23:19.03 | TheMonoTone | no I have not |
| 23:19.04 | TheMonoTone | sorry |
| 23:19.14 | TheMonoTone | I was reading the wiki and various other docs, to familiarize myself a bit |
| 23:19.27 | TheMonoTone | and see what, if anything, I might be able to do with the time I have |
| 23:19.46 | annma | the port is for advanced devels |
| 23:19.51 | Cenuij | http://tvcalendar.the-union.co.uk/images/every_time.jpg |
| 23:19.57 | TheMonoTone | I understand that |
| 23:20.09 | annma | Cenuij: what is that? |
| 23:20.37 | Cenuij | picture of a bunny with a gun to his head |
| 23:21.00 | annma | boh |
| 23:21.11 | annma | a bit mean |
| 23:21.14 | cpw | annma: you asked.. you asked :P |
| 23:21.22 | Cenuij | cute bunny tho |
| 23:21.29 | annma | I thought it would be spam and I would kick! |
| 23:21.41 | doc_tomoe | one of the most stupid pictures i've ever seen |
| 23:21.43 | Kwarq | doc_tomoe, I found 8 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: hacosta, hector, hacosta|away, hector_acosta, hector|lejos. hacosta (n=hector@CableLink39-254.INTERCABLE.net) was last seen changing his/her nick from hector on #kde 8 hours 10 minutes ago (23.11. 10:13). hacosta is still there. |
| 23:21.52 | annma | doc_tomoe: I agree |
| 23:22.30 | doc_tomoe | now that s33n script sucks ;-) |
| 23:23.06 | doc_tomoe | i'm only here to complain |
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| 23:29.47 | Oleg_ | compiler, linker, source code, object code... those words turn me on |
| 23:30.33 | adamt | don't wet yourself now |
| 23:30.43 | adamt | and don't sperm the channel ;) |
| 23:30.54 | adamt | .. eh spam =) |
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| 23:37.23 | knoppix | hello |
| 23:37.31 | knoppix | hay algun espanol? |
| 23:37.58 | adamt | non parlano espanol, questo channel e inglesa |
| 23:38.02 | adamt | or something like that |
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| 23:38.20 | Le_Gaou_20 | tu es italienne? |
| 23:38.33 | nightswim | si |
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| 23:38.51 | Le_Gaou_20 | where are you from? |
| 23:39.04 | cpw | so he asks it in english :P |
| 23:39.11 | adamt | talking to me? Denmark, but this is no dating service :P |
| 23:39.52 | cpw | yah, irc date searches will usually end you up with a 60 year old prisoner named "Bubba" |
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| 23:40.05 | adamt | from russia |
| 23:40.11 | adamt | or ukraine if you're lucky |
| 23:40.37 | Le_Gaou_20 | ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAOL? |
| 23:40.45 | Le_Gaou_20 | SPANISH PEOPLE? |
| 23:41.21 | adamt | speak english in this channel |
| 23:41.36 | adamt | but there should be some spanish people in here |
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| 23:42.32 | Le_Gaou_20 | I like speaking spanish |
| 23:42.42 | cpw | and more of us like speaking english |
| 23:42.53 | cpw | you're outnumbered, run will you can |
| 23:43.19 | adamt | Le_Gaou_20: not to be rude, but we don't care, this is an international channel, and therefore we speak english |
| 23:43.25 | adamt | ;) |
| 23:43.29 | Le_Gaou_20 | I don't stand english |
| 23:43.54 | Le_Gaou_20 | I speak a little english |
| 23:44.26 | Le_Gaou_20 | Tu parles le franais? |
| 23:44.43 | nightswim | QUE? |
| 23:44.56 | adamt | if you don't speak english i'm sure you'll find a spanish channel somewhere |
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| 23:45.26 | adamt | try #kde-es |
| 23:45.46 | adamt | ohh.. almost empty |
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| 23:45.54 | Le_Gaou_20 | I don't know add spanish channel only english channel |
| 23:46.11 | Le_Gaou_20 | help me |
| 23:46.31 | adamt | i'm not sure i understand what you want to do.. |
| 23:47.09 | Le_Gaou_20 | #kde-es |
| 23:47.20 | Le_Gaou_20 | thank, muchas gracias |
| 23:48.12 | adamt | or #kde-fr if you speak french |
| 23:48.19 | adamt | it got 8-10 people.. hmm |
| 23:48.48 | Le_Gaou_20 | english channel a lot of people |
| 23:49.28 | adamt | yeah, most people speak english after all |
| 23:49.42 | Le_Gaou_20 | #kde-dz |
| 23:50.20 | Le_Gaou_20 | dz is from algeria |
| 23:51.02 | adamt | but empty |
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| 23:53.42 | _daniel | hi |
| 23:53.53 | Le_Gaou_20 | hello |
| 23:54.01 | Le_Gaou_20 | how are you? |
| 23:54.07 | Le_Gaou_20 | daniel |
| 23:54.10 | _daniel | fine txs |
| 23:54.30 | _daniel | spanish?? |
| 23:54.32 | Le_Gaou_20 | where're you from? |
| 23:54.36 | Le_Gaou_20 | si |
| 23:54.37 | _daniel | Spain |
| 23:54.42 | _daniel | que bien |
| 23:54.44 | Le_Gaou_20 | eres espaol? |
| 23:54.51 | Le_Gaou_20 | menos mal, que raro |
| 23:54.51 | _daniel | no me manejo con el ingles nuy bien |
| 23:54.59 | Le_Gaou_20 | asi estoy yo |
| 23:55.02 | _daniel | raro porque?? |
| 23:55.17 | Le_Gaou_20 | no encuentro a ningun espaol |
| 23:55.27 | _daniel | estoy de casualidad |
| 23:55.37 | Le_Gaou_20 | y en el canal de espaa, nadie dice nada |
| 23:55.43 | Le_Gaou_20 | de donde eres daniel? |
| 23:55.44 | _daniel | estoy probando el Konversation del KDE 3.5 |
| 23:55.55 | _daniel | Códrdoba |
| 23:56.39 | Le_Gaou_20 | yo soy de Murcia |
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| 23:56.39 | Sho_ | _daniel: Any problems with Konversation? |
| 23:56.39 | Le_Gaou_20 | pues yo lo siento pero no te puedo echar una mano en eso |
| 23:56.40 | _daniel | no i haven problems with Konversation... |
| 23:56.48 | Le_Gaou_20 | soy novato en Linux |
| 23:56.58 | _daniel | deberías de probarlo |
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| 23:57.13 | _daniel | yo ya me he desinstalado por completo el Windows |
| 23:57.21 | adamt | Sho_: yes, it seems like you added random english to spanish translation.. cause all of a sudden some people were speaking spanish.. hm |
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| 23:57.23 | Le_Gaou_20 | me descargue la version knoppix |
| 23:57.39 | Servo888 | aw wtf! kde lost all control over windows after I exited an opengl game (et in this case)... Is this a bug or something? |
| 23:58.06 | Servo888 | I can't select any windows, nor hit any buttons. But the keyboard shortcuts work fine |
| 23:58.06 | Sho_ | adamt: That's the new Tower of Babel plug-in, yeah ... |
| 23:58.16 | Le_Gaou_20 | pues yo harto de que Windows XP me diese problemas, me baje Linux de prueba |
| 23:58.26 | Le_Gaou_20 | y me esta gustando |
| 23:58.30 | _daniel | intenta instlarte el Suse 10 |
| 23:58.39 | _daniel | de prueba |
| 23:58.44 | adamt | Sho_: we can't send them to some random spanish channel? |
| 23:58.44 | _daniel | simplemente |
| 23:58.48 | Sho_ | Servo888: If you can access a shell, run kwin |
