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| 00:03.55 | crass | I'm using the kde print configurator on mandrake. I cn add printers, bnut how do I make them default? |
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| 00:08.52 | fatejudger | I'm getting this crazy bug when looking at text files in Konq |
| 00:09.00 | fatejudger | they show up distorted |
| 00:09.08 | fatejudger | is this a known problem? |
| 00:09.10 | PhilOut | how so? |
| 00:09.18 | fatejudger | should I do a screenshot? |
| 00:09.20 | PhilOut | I mean, in what way are they "distorted"? |
| 00:09.24 | PhilOut | yes, that woul dbe easiest |
| 00:09.25 | fatejudger | it's hard to describe |
| 00:09.28 | fatejudger | hold on then |
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| 00:11.57 | fatejudger | http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot29zl.png |
| 00:11.59 | fatejudger | there |
| 00:11.59 | sam^ | acid2's working (SuSE10) |
| 00:12.11 | fatejudger | sam^: umm, it's been working for months |
| 00:12.47 | fatejudger | PhilOut: see what I'm talking about? |
| 00:12.49 | fatejudger | PhilOut: it's distorted |
| 00:12.51 | sam^ | fatejudger: I saw it working in RC1 ("kubuntu") as well before. There were some people here whose konqueror was failed |
| 00:13.12 | fatejudger | sam^: it's worked in Kubuntu since Beta 1 I believe |
| 00:13.21 | fatejudger | sam^: I started using KDE 3.5 at Beta 2 |
| 00:13.37 | PhilOut | fatejudger: you mean eg the 'configure' file where it overlaps the other? |
| 00:14.12 | fatejudger | PhilOut: yes |
| 00:14.18 | sam^ | fatejudger: those people were using gentoo and other distributions which use broken builds or other sth |
| 00:14.18 | fatejudger | PhilOut: and sometimes when you click on the file |
| 00:14.22 | fatejudger | PhilOut: it just makes it tinier |
| 00:14.29 | fatejudger | PhilOut: let me see if I can reproduce that too |
| 00:15.42 | DirkGently | I've been building from source for the past 3 years and have only just written an svn up -> build script.. lol |
| 00:15.57 | sam^ | how to disable smooth scrolling in konqueror? |
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| 00:15.58 | PhilOut | heh :-) |
| 00:16.20 | PhilOut | time to sleep. G'night |
| 00:16.22 | fpitt_ | Good morning |
| 00:16.35 | fatejudger | http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot39de.png |
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| 00:18.10 | fatejudger | KDE 3.5 RC1 was better |
| 00:18.20 | fatejudger | it has less bugs than the final... |
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| 00:20.50 | knoppix | hey |
| 00:21.33 | Carolynux420 | Hey |
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| 00:22.53 | sam^ | $ kwriteconfig --key SmoothScrolling --type bool false |
| 00:23.05 | Carolynux420 | I like Kopete |
| 00:23.17 | Carolynux420 | its less noisey than Gaim |
| 00:23.35 | Alethes | yeah, gaim is annoying |
| 00:23.35 | Alethes | that status window and all |
| 00:23.47 | Carolynux420 | and the ringing! |
| 00:23.49 | Carolynux420 | Egads! |
| 00:24.03 | gregday | does anyone know how to get rid of that "libkmozilla.la not found" error whenever I switch Konqueror from any mode (file, text, image) into web browsing? |
| 00:25.20 | Carolynux420 | lol I also like Tux paint with positive reenforcement |
| 00:25.21 | Carolynux420 | :) |
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| 00:27.01 | philstar | how do I switch on the new search field in konqueror toolbar? |
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| 00:27.29 | gregday | philstar: click the logo of the search bar |
| 00:27.34 | gregday | philstar: the left icon |
| 00:28.01 | travis | what package does the Audio Disc - Kde Daemon thing come with. I installed kdebase only and wish for the kde daemon to ask me upon insertion of cd whether to play extra or do nothing |
| 00:28.22 | gregday | travis: it's part of kdelibs I believe, it uses HAL |
| 00:28.45 | gregday | travis: if youve got base installed, it should work, unless you dont have HAL |
| 00:28.50 | travis | hm, i have both those packages. |
| 00:28.53 | philstar | gregday: the logo? |
| 00:29.00 | gregday | philstar: the left icon in the search bar |
| 00:29.02 | travis | i have hal, yet, it asks me not |
| 00:29.17 | gregday | travis: dunno then |
| 00:29.24 | travis | yar. anyone else? |
| 00:30.11 | philstar | gregday: is search bar a toolbar; if so, it's not listed in my list of toolbars... |
| 00:30.37 | gregday | philstar: lets back up, what's your original question? |
| 00:31.19 | DirkGently | philstar: what distro? binary or source install? |
| 00:31.30 | philstar | DirkGently: archlinux binary |
| 00:31.34 | philstar | 3.5.0 |
| 00:31.59 | DirkGently | try installing kdeaddons if you have that |
| 00:33.02 | philstar | DirkGently: installing now... |
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| 00:37.11 | philstar | gregday,DirkGently: yep, that gives, thanks! |
| 00:37.47 | metellius | what is the difference between ~/.kde and ~/.kde3.X ? |
| 00:37.57 | DirkGently | philstar: you're welcome |
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| 00:38.18 | annma | metellius: both are config stuff |
| 00:38.33 | annma | metellius: your distro created them probably |
| 00:39.11 | metellius | ok, but i would like to know the difference so I know which one to import my old settings from |
| 00:39.27 | annma | no idea |
| 00:39.32 | annma | what is your distro? |
| 00:39.35 | metellius | gentoo |
| 00:39.41 | annma | so ask in #gentoo |
| 00:39.48 | xoombot | anyone good with economics? |
| 00:39.52 | xoombot | i need help with something |
| 00:40.00 | annma | doyou set your environment variales yourself, metellius ? |
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| 00:40.31 | metellius | annma: only some |
| 00:40.38 | annma | metellius: echo $KDEHOME |
| 00:40.47 | annma | what doe sthat give? |
| 00:40.58 | metellius | it's undefinde |
| 00:41.15 | annma | hmmm so no way to know which KDEHOME is your current |
| 00:41.31 | xoombot | can nominal and real minimum wage ever cross? |
| 00:41.32 | annma | ask in #gentoo |
| 00:41.38 | metellius | i'll do that |
| 00:42.17 | xoombot | annma: k |
| 00:42.48 | annma | xoombot: not your question which is totally out of topic |
| 00:42.56 | annma | xoombot: search google |
| 00:43.03 | xoombot | i tried |
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| 00:43.13 | annma | learn how to search efficiently then |
| 00:43.15 | xoombot | theres not much information about it |
| 00:43.23 | annma | xoombot: here neither |
| 00:43.25 | xoombot | even searching images only found two graphs |
| 00:43.30 | annma | we are the kde support channel |
| 00:43.57 | xoombot | o |
| 00:44.02 | xoombot | where do i go for the economics support channel? |
| 00:44.15 | annma | no idea |
| 00:44.16 | Sho_ | #kmymoney |
| 00:44.17 | Sho_ | ;) |
| 00:44.19 | annma | LOL |
| 00:44.37 | annma | #ekonomiks |
| 00:44.39 | Sho_ | (KMyMoney being a personal financial management application for the KDE platform) |
| 00:44.53 | xoombot | hmm none of those channels worked :( |
| 00:44.58 | annma | LOL |
| 00:45.01 | annma | of course not |
| 00:45.07 | annma | why did you come to #kde? |
| 00:45.16 | annma | do you at least run kde? |
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| 00:47.51 | xoombot | yep |
| 00:47.57 | xoombot | on my laptop :) |
| 00:48.02 | xoombot | neko pwnz in kde heheh |
| 00:48.09 | annma | so stick to kde questions here please |
| 00:48.28 | xoombot | ok...where do i go in kde..to get an answer to my economics question? |
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| 00:50.45 | Spawn311 | anyone in here use ktorrent? |
| 00:51.47 | annma | I use bittorrent |
| 00:51.58 | annma | from terminal.... |
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| 00:53.42 | Ze_M | why kcalc was again removed from kdeutils? |
| 00:53.52 | xoombot | no kcalc? wah |
| 00:54.09 | gregday | it's amazing how many people don't appreciate the bittorrent reference implementation in python =) |
| 00:55.36 | annma | gregday: I do |
| 00:55.37 | Spawn311 | gregday is the python impl the best? |
| 00:59.43 | annma | announcement: KCalc is still there and will stay in kde 3.5.x |
| 00:59.58 | Oleg_ | kcalc is in kdeutils |
| 00:59.59 | annma | nobody removed it |
| 01:00.21 | annma | Oleg_: Ze_M here said it was removed |
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| 01:00.51 | Oleg_ | maybe Ze_M didn't have the gpm library needed for kcalc to be compiled |
| 01:01.00 | annma | maybe, yes |
| 01:01.08 | annma | hey, good one, Oleg_ |
| 01:01.30 | Oleg_ | thanks |
| 01:01.37 | annma | Ze_M: see Oleg_ comment, probably your Kalc was not build |
| 01:02.00 | Ze_M | yes maybe is that |
| 01:02.26 | Ze_M | cause i dont see buildroot/usr/share/applications/kde/kcakc.desktop |
| 01:03.32 | Ze_M | Oleg_: gpm needed lib? can u be more specific? |
| 01:03.34 | crass | gregday: because it eats a ton of mem and has little features? |
| 01:04.00 | annma | Ze_M: just look at your config.log |
| 01:04.07 | Oleg_ | Ze_M: run ./configure in your directory |
| 01:04.09 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 01:04.12 | Ze_M | i have gpm-1.20.1 |
| 01:04.13 | annma | Oleg_: :)) |
| 01:05.25 | Ze_M | configure:46841: checking if kcalc should be compiled |
| 01:05.25 | Ze_M | configure:46853: result: no |
| 01:05.28 | Ze_M | but why? |
| 01:05.44 | Ze_M | what is causing this? |
| 01:05.50 | straw | got gpm-devel or similar? |
| 01:05.52 | annma | see above |
| 01:05.59 | annma | grep for gpm |
| 01:06.03 | Ze_M | libgpm1-devel-1.20.1 |
| 01:06.06 | Ze_M | i have them |
| 01:06.17 | annma | grep for gpm anyway just to see |
| 01:06.24 | Ze_M | already did! |
| 01:06.36 | Ze_M | idnt i just said that i have them installed? |
| 01:06.47 | annma | in config.log!!!!!!! |
| 01:07.04 | annma | it's the config.log which is of interest right now |
| 01:07.09 | TSimkin | A carnosity is a medical condition defined by any abnormal fleshy excrescence or tuberosity. |
| 01:07.11 | TSimkin | wow |
| 01:07.13 | TSimkin | that clears that up |
| 01:07.16 | Ze_M | theres no gpm in config.log |
| 01:07.22 | TSimkin | woot |
| 01:07.32 | TSimkin | kde is 256 of 258 packages compiled on the test box!! |
| 01:07.40 | TSimkin | if it works then tonight i'll start my main box!! |
| 01:08.54 | annma | just look at the no then in config.log |
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| 01:13.02 | Ze_M | my system freezed |
| 01:13.14 | Ze_M | also other thing, when i login i get a mcop error |
| 01:14.50 | annma | new user? |
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| 01:16.07 | Ze_M | annma: i need to echk it |
| 01:16.24 | Ze_M | , i will after i get this kcalc issue checked |
| 01:16.37 | annma | yes |
| 01:17.04 | annma | publish our config.log in a pastebin if you dot' fin why kcalc was not compiled |
| 01:17.58 | TSimkin | Ze_M: how did you make your system freeze? |
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| 01:18.15 | Ze_M | annma: please wait some minutes i need to check other thing first |
| 01:18.26 | annma | I'll be back in a fewminutes |
| 01:18.31 | Oleg_ | annma: Leah? That's your daughter or son? |
| 01:18.33 | annma | have to get my kid in bed, Ze_M |
| 01:18.34 | Ze_M | TSimkin: i dont know, just freezed... |
| 01:18.42 | annma | daughter, Oleg_ |
| 01:18.44 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 01:18.51 | annma | Léah in fact |
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| 01:18.58 | Ze_M | annma: i did what? |
| 01:19.26 | annma | Ze_M: I have ti get my kid in bed |
| 01:19.29 | annma | not you! |
| 01:19.36 | Ze_M | lol |
| 01:19.38 | annma | not to get you in bed |
| 01:19.40 | annma | ;) |
| 01:19.45 | Ze_M | :) |
| 01:19.47 | trumee | guys, has anybody used the yahoo stealth feature of kopete? |
| 01:19.57 | trumee | it doesnt seem to work |
| 01:20.04 | Oleg_ | haha! |
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| 01:20.49 | TSimkin | trumee: not me, what does it do? |
| 01:21.17 | trumee | TSimkin:it is supposed to put u in invisible mode for a particular user |
| 01:21.27 | TSimkin | hrm |
| 01:22.06 | trumee | TSimkin:a very usefull feature, one doesnt have to be invisible to everybody |
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| 01:35.42 | kdetest | Freeeeeeee point FIVE! |
| 01:35.55 | illogic-al | :-D |
| 01:37.33 | annma | hi illogic-al |
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| 01:39.00 | _poison | bah ... I know this is not the right chan .... but what happens when I try to mv the root partition to a different drive ? the mv homepage does not state how device files are handled =/ |
| 01:39.31 | thiago | you can't move a partition to a different drive |
| 01:39.34 | TSimkin | mving the root partition should be fine. |
| 01:39.36 | TSimkin | thiago: why not |
| 01:39.37 | illogic-al | annma: hey :-) |
| 01:39.38 | TSimkin | i've done it |
| 01:39.47 | TSimkin | _poison: but you can't do it while it's in use! |
| 01:40.00 | thiago | TSimkin: do you mean "move the files in the root filesystem"? |
| 01:40.14 | TSimkin | thiago: yah, but not while i'ts in use. |
| 01:40.16 | _poison | TSimkin: I figure that ^^ |
| 01:40.17 | thiago | TSimkin: or do you mean "copy the whole contents of the /dev device associated with the root filesystem"? |
| 01:40.28 | TSimkin | _poison: cp -axu works better. |
| 01:40.37 | TSimkin | _poison: at least in my experience. |
| 01:40.45 | Ze_M | annma: i dont have any gpm in config.log |
| 01:40.49 | TSimkin | _poison: and that way if something messes up you can go back |
| 01:41.08 | annma | so what can it be that did not make KCalc compiled? |
| 01:41.18 | Ze_M | dont make a clue |
| 01:41.23 | annma | you have to find all 'no' and see where it fails for KCalc |
| 01:41.33 | annma | can you post the config.log online please? |
| 01:41.34 | thiago | TSimkin: mv moves all nodes, including devices, sockets and fifos |
| 01:41.48 | thiago | Ze_M: gmp, not gpm |
| 01:41.58 | thiago | without gmp, kcalc won't be built |
| 01:41.58 | _poison | TSimkin: uhm ... the a option copy (but do not preserve directory structure) <- how should i interpret that ? =/ |
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| 01:42.15 | TSimkin | _poison: ?? |
| 01:42.25 | TSimkin | not sure what you mean |
| 01:42.57 | Ze_M | thiago: ahhhhhh |
| 01:43.16 | _poison | TSimkin: in the cp manpage ... the -a oprion you mentioned .... it says: Preserve as much as possible of the structure and attributes of the original files in the copy (but do not preserve directory structure). |
| 01:43.17 | annma | gmp, oh |
| 01:43.24 | Ze_M | didnt know that kcalc requires gmp... |
| 01:43.24 | annma | we typoed it |
| 01:43.32 | thiago | Ze_M: it does now |
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| 01:43.39 | _poison | what does (but do not preserve directory structure) mean ? |
| 01:43.49 | thiago | Ze_M: since it got the arbitrary precision support |
| 01:44.02 | thiago | _poison: it means the files will be copied, but not directories |
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| 01:44.28 | _poison | hmm ... but I kind of need the directories ? *g* |
| 01:45.31 | thiago | so -ax |
| 01:45.43 | _poison | I'm tempted to do a reinstall ... semms to be easier ^^ |
| 01:45.49 | _poison | s/semms/seems/ |
| 01:45.50 | Ze_M | thiago: arbitrary precision support? |
| 01:45.53 | TSimkin | _poison: hrm |
| 01:45.57 | TSimkin | _poison: i think that's a wrong doc |
| 01:46.55 | TSimkin | _poison: or maybe not |
| 01:46.59 | TSimkin | _poison: i'm not sure what that means. |
| 01:47.10 | TSimkin | how odd |
| 01:47.31 | TSimkin | _poison: i know it works though. I often use it when preparing to create a mirror etc |
| 01:48.14 | _poison | hmmm ... maybe I'll give g4l a try ... |
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| 01:49.23 | _poison | if only that homepage was up ... |
| 01:50.39 | TSimkin | what home page |
| 01:51.45 | _poison | TSimkin: the g4l homepage ... |
| 01:54.14 | _poison | my partition layout is *so* messed up =/ |
| 01:55.31 | Ze_M | thiago: so libgmp-devel shoud be required only by kdeutils? |
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| 02:01.24 | TSimkin | oh. lol |
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| 02:07.52 | Ze_M | now kcalc is build |
| 02:09.32 | annma | :) |
| 02:10.34 | Ze_M | thanks for the tips |
| 02:11.09 | annma | you're welcome |
| 02:11.30 | annma | I add to remove kdeutils as my disk was full |
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| 02:20.08 | raden | is there a method or hotkey to minimize all windows at once ? |
| 02:25.28 | thiago | yes |
| 02:26.12 | thiago | Ctrl+Alt+D |
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| 02:45.13 | Knowerrors | Hey all, in KDE 3.5, when insterting usb flash drive, I see it unmounted in media:/ , when I click on the icon, it mounts but doesn't show the contents, the contents are acutally located in /media/sda1, whats up with that? |
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| 02:46.31 | Ze_M | now i dont have superkaramba.desktop |
| 02:46.40 | Ze_M | whats the prob? |
| 02:46.58 | Ze_M | thiago, annma? |
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| 02:47.13 | thiago | how am I supposed to know? |
| 02:47.24 | Ze_M | was it removed from kdeutils? |
| 02:47.45 | thiago | no |
| 02:48.02 | thiago | is superkaramba installed at all? |
| 02:48.17 | Ze_M | it was installed in previous kdeutils release |
| 02:48.24 | thiago | is it installed now? |
| 02:48.31 | Ze_M | or previous kdeutils i made |
| 02:48.33 | Ze_M | yes |
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| 02:48.59 | Ze_M | but now im building new kdeutils and superkaramba.desktop isnt there, at least in the buildroot dir |
| 02:49.13 | thiago | my last build had it |
| 02:49.20 | Ze_M | also mine |
| 02:49.38 | thiago | superkaramba build is dependent on Python devel files being present |
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| 02:49.56 | aaron_ | hey all... |
| 02:50.07 | aaron_ | does anyone here use fedora? |
| 02:50.26 | Ze_M | superkaramba.desktop exists in kde source |
| 02:50.46 | Ze_M | what pythin files? |
| 02:51.40 | Ze_M | configure:46841: checking if superkaramba should be compiled |
| 02:51.40 | Ze_M | configure:46853: result: no |
| 02:51.53 | thiago | there you go |
| 02:51.58 | thiago | superkaramba wasn't installed |
| 02:52.05 | Ze_M | so what triggers superkaramba build? |
| 02:52.15 | thiago | python development files |
| 02:52.20 | thiago | 00:49 < thiago> superkaramba build is dependent on Python devel files being present |
| 02:52.22 | Ash-Fox | 'make' probably |
| 02:52.22 | Ze_M | was installed in previous kdeutils, im talking about nuild |
| 02:52.29 | aaron_ | im having some problems installing 3.5 |
| 02:52.37 | Ze_M | libpython2.4-devel |
| 02:53.00 | Ze_M | ? |
| 02:53.12 | aaron_ | http://groups.google.com/group/fedora-linux/browse_thread/thread/d37e1ce0aa9aabb0/207a8881adcacfb5#207a8881adcacfb5 |
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| 02:54.16 | Ze_M | where is possible to see kde-3.5.0 requires? |
| 02:54.47 | aaron_ | not sure |
| 02:55.11 | aaron_ | u can see 3.4 req. |
| 02:55.15 | Ze_M | where |
| 02:56.25 | aaron_ | http://kde.org/info/requirements/3.4.php |
| 02:56.38 | Polar | http://kde.org/info/requirements/3.5.php |
| 02:56.49 | Polar | *sigh* |
| 02:57.19 | aaron_ | good point ;) |
| 02:58.25 | aaron_ | anyone use fedora? |
| 02:59.13 | thiago | aaron_: no |
| 02:59.19 | illogic-al | lol |
| 02:59.23 | aaron_ | k |
| 03:00.19 | aaron_ | do u know if fedora binaries will come out any time soon for 3.5? |
| 03:00.31 | thiago | maybe in a month or two |
| 03:00.34 | thiago | maybe not at all |
| 03:00.38 | thiago | ask the Fedora packagers |
| 03:00.46 | aaron_ | k.. |
| 03:00.46 | mgorbach228 | Can anyone help me out with some coloring issues? |
| 03:01.07 | mgorbach228 | When i start firefox through the konsole the text in the menus is color correctly ... when i start it through kde its colored wrong |
| 03:01.16 | thiago | besides, they usually do a bad job at packaging KDE |
| 03:01.32 | Ash-Fox | What does 'colored wrong' mean specifically? |
| 03:02.00 | Ze_M | thiago: what triggers superkaramba build is libpython-devel |
| 03:02.51 | thiago | Ze_M: I think that's what I said |
| 03:02.56 | thiago | twice |
| 03:03.26 | Ze_M | but im reafirming it :) |
| 03:03.35 | thiago | thanks |
| 03:03.39 | thiago | but it tells you that |
| 03:03.48 | Ze_M | wherE? |
| 03:04.16 | thiago | at the end of the configure script |
| 03:04.33 | thiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.33 | thiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.43 | Ze_M | didnt saw that... |
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| 03:11.54 | federico-II | hey ppl |
| 03:12.12 | federico-II | kinternet is prett sweet |
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| 03:15.16 | DaSkreech | Does anyone know gobby? |
| 03:15.52 | thiago | is that a person or an app? |
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| 03:15.59 | DaSkreech | or more pertinent. Is there a KDE-ish editor with Gobby like abilities? |
| 03:16.06 | DaSkreech | thiago: http://gobby.0x539.de/ |
| 03:16.25 | lfranchi | anyone know how to play flash in konqui? can't seem to get it to work. (shockwave would be a bonus, but really i care most about flash) |
| 03:17.04 | padde | guys, i'm really satuisfied with 3.5 :D good work! |
| 03:17.08 | padde | -u |
| 03:17.27 | thiago | DaSkreech: I didn't know domain names could start with numbers |
| 03:18.17 | padde | one questiion: how can I set another icon for X apps (no GTK, no QT) for example urxvt or xterm? |
| 03:18.31 | DaSkreech | thiago: I thought it started with a g |
| 03:18.38 | padde | they all appear with the red X icon, which is kind of ugly |
| 03:19.33 | thiago | padde: no, but you can request that feature for kwin |
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| 03:19.53 | thiago | DaSkreech: 0x539 <-- that's a 0 |
| 03:19.55 | thiago | not a g |
| 03:20.52 | padde | thiago: i see. then I'll file a feature request. i thought it would somehow be possible.. |
| 03:21.03 | DaSkreech | thiago: :-) |
| 03:21.12 | DaSkreech | thiago: You are sidetracking the question :) |
| 03:21.22 | thiago | DaSkreech: I am :-) |
| 03:21.37 | thiago | DaSkreech: since I am in no mood to go to the website, I still don't know what gobby is, so I can't help you. |
| 03:22.03 | DaSkreech | Should I give you the important part? |
| 03:22.12 | thiago | that would help |
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| 03:23.03 | DaSkreech | thiago: Gobby is a free collaborative editor which provides synced document buffers. It supports multiple documents in one session and a multi-user chat. |
| 03:23.21 | DaSkreech | thiago: It uses GTK+ 2.6 as its windowing toolkit |
| 03:23.32 | DaSkreech | Is just as important to my question :) |
| 03:24.08 | Ash-Fox | Need to make a QT<->Zune library at some point... |
| 03:24.37 | thiago | DaSkreech: no, I don't know of any KDE/Qt application that does that |
| 03:24.53 | thiago | but collaborative editing is a wanted feature for Kate |
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| 03:25.05 | DaSkreech | thiago: Any docs on that? |
| 03:25.46 | Ash-Fox | DaSkreech, you could install, I think it was qt-gtk library in the meantime.. so your GTK applications run as QT ones |
| 03:26.58 | thiago | DaSkreech: no, just people wishing |
| 03:27.05 | thiago | Ash-Fox: nitpicking: Qt |
| 03:27.30 | DaSkreech | thiago: Any docs on the people wishing? |
| 03:27.42 | SMiLeaf | bugs.kde.org ? |
| 03:27.49 | DaSkreech | SMiLeaf: me? |
| 03:27.55 | SMiLeaf | DaSkreech: ya |
| 03:28.09 | Ash-Fox | thiago, heh, I'm not nitpicking qt, I generally find it annoying though that there are GTK apps, which in turn run slower when I run KDE (my machine isn't the top of the line) |
| 03:28.34 | SMiLeaf | Ash-Fox: he was nitpicking that it's Qt not QT or qt or qT ;) |
| 03:28.34 | thiago | DaSkreech: no, just word of mouth |
| 03:28.50 | thiago | QT = Apple QuickTime |
| 03:28.52 | DaSkreech | thiago: :'( |
| 03:29.02 | federico-II | Ash-Fox: zune ? |
| 03:29.06 | Ash-Fox | Blah, I stand corrected :P |
| 03:29.08 | SMiLeaf | QT = Quick Trip :D |
| 03:29.27 | federico-II | thiago: kinternet is a network chooser for wifi |
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| 03:29.54 | SMiLeaf | Gas Station :P |
| 03:30.11 | Ash-Fox | federico-II, Zune is the graphical enviroment used in AROS (www.aros.org), currently got GTK support into it, by writing something similar to qt-gtk, except it's zune-gtk you could say |
| 03:30.29 | DaSkreech | I know but .. cmon Thats like me saying JB is lunch |
| 03:30.47 | SMiLeaf | DaSkreech: it is ? |
| 03:31.02 | SMiLeaf | darn.. and here I thought I had a sandwich. |
| 03:31.03 | Knowerrors | Anybody here use ivman? |
| 03:31.12 | DaSkreech | Yeah but that's cause I'm from Jamaica so Jamaicans would get it |
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| 03:32.21 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
| 03:32.42 | DaSkreech | What would be a good search to find out if someone made a feature request of a collab mode in kate? |
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| 03:32.58 | DaSkreech | apparently putting kate in the search is bad :-( |
| 03:35.03 | Ze_M | thiago: but http://kde.org/info/requirements/3.5.php u dont see kdeutils requiring python |
| 03:36.01 | thiago | Ze_M: it's not kdeutils that does, it's superkaramba |
| 03:36.05 | thiago | and it's an optional requirement |
| 03:36.27 | Ze_M | superkaramba is inside kdeutils in kde-3.5.0 |
| 03:37.08 | thiago | right |
| 03:37.17 | thiago | all it means is Ryan forgot to add the requirement to the webpage |
| 03:37.32 | Ze_M | and also for gmp |
| 03:37.41 | thiago | also true |
| 03:37.54 | _poison | n8 ppl |
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| 03:39.08 | thiago | those should be fixed |
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| 03:42.41 | Knowerrors | Im trying to make kde 3.5 automount all removable media, should do it with ivman, can anyone help? |
| 03:42.52 | thiago | use hal |
| 03:43.23 | Knowerrors | already have hal, but its not automounting |
| 03:43.38 | Knowerrors | I stick in usb flash and if just sits there, unmounted |
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| 03:44.09 | thiago | configure hal to mount it for you |
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| 03:45.35 | Knowerrors | thiago: can ya tell me how please? |
| 03:45.50 | Guitarman | Any k3b/DVD burning gurus in here tonight? |
| 03:47.49 | Guitarman | I can't get k3b to burn a data dvd. I get an error saying it can't change speeds 2822>5400 |
| 03:47.52 | thiago | Knowerrors: no, not really |
| 03:47.55 | thiago | Knowerrors: I've never used hal |
| 03:48.22 | Guitarman | I can burn dvd's all day from Nautilus, but that's kind of defeating the purpose of my switch from Gnome to KDE |
| 03:50.47 | thiago | and I lost the medium :-P |
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| 03:51.26 | Guitarman | I haven't found anyone that has been able to help me with this error. I've been having it since the beginning of October. |
| 03:51.44 | federico-II | anybody here ever seen the K menu not displaying the contents of some of its folders? |
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| 03:52.12 | Guitarman | Oh, I'm on KDE 3.4 on SuSE 10 |
| 03:52.23 | thrice` | hrm...when I re-logged into KDE this just now, I am missing my search box next to location |
| 03:52.28 | thrice` | how can I get that back (kde 3.5) |
| 03:52.37 | thiago | thrice`: turn the plugin on |
| 03:52.43 | Gentle | Guitarman, I feel sorry for your computer ;) |
| 03:52.52 | thrice` | thiago: it's not listed...only kget and text-to-speech |
| 03:52.52 | Guitarman | Why is that? |
| 03:53.21 | Gentle | Guitarman, don't ask, yast is such a pest :/ |
| 03:53.27 | Guitarman | lol |
| 03:53.31 | thiago | thrice`: then you have to install it |
| 03:53.35 | Guitarman | I actually like YaST a lot. |
| 03:53.46 | thrice` | thiago: it was working earlier however |
| 03:53.49 | thrice` | the google search box |
| 03:54.27 | thiago | thrice`: search for libsearchbarplugin.la |
| 03:56.04 | thiago | do you have it? |
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| 03:57.36 | thiago | time is ticking... it takes a few seconds to run locate |
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| 03:58.00 | thrice` | hrm |
| 03:58.01 | thrice` | brb |
| 04:00.26 | Knowerrors | Anyone know how to automount all removable media in kde? |
| 04:00.31 | DaSkreech | night thiago |
| 04:00.37 | thiago | good night |
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| 04:02.23 | federico-II | ever seen the K menu not displaying the contents of some of its folders? |
| 04:02.31 | federico-II | this is sooo weird |
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| 04:04.29 | federico-II | tired |
| 04:04.32 | federico-II | night all |
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| 04:16.51 | TubaSoldier | network |
| 04:16.55 | specsmu | thx. |
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| 04:34.38 | carrot | kconfig or kcontrolpanel or something like that i think |
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| 04:42.30 | Oleg_ | hi |
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| 04:46.00 | mhall | Also, Ctrl-Alt-BkSp is not responding in X. |
| 04:46.10 | mhall | What should I do to get it working properly again? |
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| 04:47.03 | mhall | Which ones? |
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| 04:49.17 | mhall | ok i think i got it to die |
| 04:49.30 | mhall | don't delete kdecache :-) |
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| 04:54.23 | wired__ | so I was playing around with ktorrent and seeing how many peer connections I could get and although having about 700 was only using about 200KB/s down and 15KB/s up (which doesn't max out my cable modems speed) it makes gaim, xchat disconnect constantly |
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| 04:55.07 | Jim__ | hi I have a kopete question, in the msn windows, how to I make it show the display picture |
| 04:58.18 | Hobbsee | Jim__: right click on the msn window, toolbars, status |
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| 05:12.18 | ratero | Hello to all |
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| 05:14.11 | ratero | greetings for all |
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| 05:29.35 | Jim__ | hi I have a kopete question, in the msn windows, how to I make it show the display picture |
| 05:32.50 | ratero | Hello Jim__ |
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| 05:32.54 | Jim__ | hi |
| 05:33.07 | ratero | Where are you from? |
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| 05:33.22 | Jim__ | canada... |
| 05:33.27 | mshade | i'm using KDE on a dual head system, (not xinerama..) on the second display, i can't modify the task bar at all. I can bring up the configuration dialog, but anything i change doesn't take effect |
| 05:33.36 | ratero | I'm from Mexico |
| 05:33.40 | johnny69 | Any ideas?? I go to double click on an mp3 in konqueror. Xmms loads, and puts the song in the playlist...but will not play it at all. when looking at the file info I get something that looks like this: %20Manilow%20-%20Mand Notice the %20 ? Clicking on something on a cdrom doesn't cause this. And thus plays immediately. I also noticed videos wont start immediately either in my video player. But must then click on the pl |
| 05:33.40 | johnny69 | them to start. Any idea what is causing this? (kde 3.5/suse 10) |
| 05:34.20 | mshade | johnny69, set the output plugin to use either ALSA or aRtS |
| 05:34.32 | mshade | right click on the player window > preferences, output plugin |
| 05:34.33 | mshade | try each |
| 05:34.40 | johnny69 | will try that now. |
| 05:34.45 | mshade | the %20s are probably just bad id3 tags in the mp3s |
| 05:34.59 | mshade | you can edit those by right clicking.. edit the information |
| 05:35.37 | mshade | anyone have any ideas about KDe 3.5 on dual head setup? |
| 05:35.42 | johnny69 | the %20 is only showing up on drives...that, won't start the mp3 when doulbing clicking on it. But I go to another drive...double click a song...xmms starts playing immediately. THOSE don't have the %20. it's drive dependant, noyt mp3 dependant. It's weird as hell |
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| 05:36.19 | mshade | johnny69, they're probably different file systems |
| 05:36.30 | mshade | let me guess.. the ones showing up with the %20 are windows partition? |
| 05:36.38 | johnny69 | yes |
| 05:36.41 | mshade | exit |
| 05:36.43 | mshade | whoops |
| 05:36.52 | johnny69 | but check this out. |
| 05:37.23 | johnny69 | when I restart kde....sometimes this symptom changes to the CDROM. Then I restart, sometimes it does this with mp3's on the winxp partition. And sometimes on the linux partition |
| 05:37.56 | johnny69 | When it happens...it will act this way with EVERY mp3 on that particular partition. |
| 05:38.27 | mshade | changes spaces to %20? |
| 05:38.41 | johnny69 | based on the %20....i am seeing. it's liek Konqueror is feeding Xmms a bad filename/link to the song or something. |
| 05:38.42 | mshade | is this OpenSUSE or what? |
| 05:38.42 | grepper | even mp3's with no spaces ? |
| 05:38.48 | johnny69 | opensuse, yes |
| 05:39.12 | mshade | mp3s with no spaces in them, too? |
| 05:39.15 | ratero | Jemand der spricht Spanisch? |
| 05:39.25 | johnny69 | grepper: It is happening on EVERY mp3 on the partition. But then won't happen on the linux drive. But then, sometimes it acts OK with every mp3 on the linux drive...and acts this way on the cd drive.. It's enough tio drive me nuts. |
| 05:39.34 | mshade | que necesitas, ratero? |
| 05:39.51 | johnny69 | Every drive partition is mounted and I can read/write to them with no problem. |
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| 05:40.01 | grepper | heh, well, you didn't really answer the question, but I assume the answer is "yes" |
| 05:40.13 | ratero | queria saber si habia alguna distro con kde 3.5 |
| 05:40.22 | johnny69 | grepper: yes, even with no spaces. |
| 05:40.26 | grepper | ok :) |
| 05:40.36 | grepper | strange |
| 05:40.38 | mshade | ratero, ahoria kubuntu lo tiene, pero puedes obtenerlo para todos |
| 05:40.42 | johnny69 | This seemed to occur around the time I went to 3.5 rc1 |
| 05:40.54 | johnny69 | and stayed with me through the 3.5 stable release as well. |
| 05:41.44 | mshade | johnny69, do the mp3s on the affected partition look any different from command line? |
| 05:41.53 | mshade | johnny69, ls -l nameof.mp3 |
| 05:42.00 | mshade | johnny69, file nameof.mp3 |
| 05:42.06 | johnny69 | let me look |
| 05:42.06 | mshade | compare the output of affected and unaffected |
| 05:42.10 | johnny69 | ok |
| 05:42.24 | mshade | johnny69, also, take a look at the output of the plain 'mount' command. see if the options look weird for the affected partition versus the working one |
| 05:43.25 | mshade | ratero, mira al KDE website, tiene para otros distros |
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| 05:45.46 | ratero | mshade, voy a ver |
| 05:45.51 | ratero | gracias |
| 05:45.57 | mshade | ratero, por nada |
| 05:46.00 | ratero | ¿de que pais eres? |
| 05:46.07 | mshade | ratero, estados unidos |
| 05:46.14 | johnny69 | mshade: Well, they all show the same version id3 tag. And they all have spaces in their filenames. note: I can drag and drop ANy mp3 from anywhere without a problem from konqueror. That always works |
| 05:46.16 | ratero | ok, saludos desde Mexico |
| 05:46.29 | mshade | ratero, saludos! |
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| 05:46.43 | mshade | johnny69, interesting |
| 05:47.08 | johnny69 | I think I will use metacrawler and do a search across numerous engines. Maybe I will find something google didn't. |
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| 05:52.40 | johnny69 | mshade: Well, believe it or not, I just found a reference to the exact same problem, including the drag and drop...dated back to 2001! Now that is weird. |
| 05:53.50 | mshade | that's interesting |
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| 06:10.03 | mister_roboto | where is the right place to ask a question about kpilot? |
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| 06:23.23 | mgorbach228 | Can someone help me with kde3.5? |
| 06:23.24 | mgorbach228 | I seem to getting this issue where after a while, starting a kde app causes it to hang |
| 06:23.34 | mgorbach228 | mister_roboto: kdepim |
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| 06:26.21 | mister_roboto | there is not a soul in kdepim :\ |
| 06:26.32 | mister_roboto | except me, that is :) |
| 06:28.21 | mgorbach228 | mister_roboto: in that case .... go for the kdepim mailing list |
| 06:28.56 | mister_roboto | mgorbach228 thanks for the tip |
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| 06:37.31 | misieq | is there any way to alter size of only one icon on desktop in kde? |
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| 06:58.38 | SMiLeaf | misieq: ya.. look in the control center.. in the icons section. |
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| 07:08.19 | TSimkin | so does everyone like kde 3.5 so far as much as i do? |
| 07:10.38 | Dhraakellian | I can't really offer comparison with 3.4 very easily |
| 07:10.46 | Dhraakellian | since I've been on 3.5 since beta2 |
| 07:11.43 | Dhraakellian | but, yes, I really, really do like being able to have the full gmail interface available when using konqueror |
| 07:14.12 | TSimkin | ooh |
| 07:14.15 | TSimkin | i haven't tried gmail yet |
| 07:14.22 | TSimkin | i was disapoitned that maps.google.ca wouldn't work though |
| 07:14.33 | Dhraakellian | you still do have to set your user agent to Firefox |
| 07:14.42 | TSimkin | oh |
| 07:14.43 | mgorbach228 | TSimkin: it kindo works ... |
| 07:14.45 | TSimkin | i haven't tried that |
| 07:14.53 | TSimkin | i did try the acid2 test |
| 07:14.57 | TSimkin | that was great |
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| 07:15.48 | Dhraakellian | and the complete CSS2 support, while I'm not personally affected by it, is still nice for bragging |
| 07:15.50 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
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| 07:16.27 | Dhraakellian | there are probably other things, but I can't think of them at the moment |
| 07:17.28 | yanger | not sure if this is a kde thing.. but.. when in photoshop (wine'd) pressing the ALT and clicking inside the window causes the whole window to be highlighted and "moved" around (attempting to do clone stamp in photoshop using ALT button) ... any way to disable that? |
| 07:17.37 | TSimkin | Dhraakellian: it just looks better. |
| 07:17.51 | TSimkin | the tighter integretation with super karamba is nice too |
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| 07:18.57 | sredna | yanger: That is a feature of KDM |
| 07:19.06 | macisaac | anybody know the default place kde looks for .desktop file at? ie /usr/share/applnk/ or /usr/share/applications? |
| 07:19.36 | yanger | sredna, kdm? |
| 07:19.54 | TSimkin | sredna: not of kdm |
| 07:19.57 | yanger | heh |
| 07:20.02 | sredna | Sorry, kwin |
| 07:20.14 | TSimkin | yanger: that is a common feature in linux desktop environments. |
| 07:20.22 | yanger | any way to disable it? |
| 07:20.23 | sredna | yanger: You can turn it off in the 'window behavior' control panel |
| 07:20.30 | yanger | i rarely use that feature :P |
| 07:20.30 | TSimkin | yanger: yes. |
| 07:20.32 | yanger | ohh ok |
| 07:20.40 | TSimkin | Dhraakellian: yah, it's dreamy! |
| 07:20.46 | Dhraakellian | yanger: it's really nice on smaller screens |
| 07:20.47 | yanger | so i can make it specific for only that program? cool |
| 07:20.51 | sredna | yanger: And I think for special windows too |
| 07:21.27 | Dhraakellian | when developers occasionally forget that their settings windows need to be able to fit in an 800x600 screen |
| 07:21.30 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 07:21.56 | yanger | hmmm |
| 07:22.04 | yanger | what would it be called? |
| 07:22.14 | TSimkin | yanger: you can just click on the "box" on the top left on the window and go to advancd, special window settings |
| 07:22.20 | TSimkin | yanger: i dunno! |
| 07:22.21 | Dhraakellian | or when you want to be able to move/resize a borderless window (like kpager) |
| 07:22.55 | TSimkin | yanger: oh, found it in a diff section, but it's for all windows |
| 07:23.13 | TSimkin | yanger: just under configure window behaviour |
| 07:23.50 | yanger | yeah i just saw that |
| 07:23.55 | yanger | what's "Meta" ? |
| 07:24.04 | yanger | i can only switch the move from Alt to Meta |
| 07:24.05 | yanger | ;\ |
| 07:24.22 | TSimkin | yanger: i'd change the action for modifier + left drag |
| 07:24.44 | TSimkin | yanger: change the action to "nothing" |
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| 07:25.03 | yanger | ah i see |
| 07:25.06 | yanger | thanks guys |
| 07:25.09 | yanger | works wonders now |
| 07:25.40 | yanger | thanks! |
| 07:25.54 | posthuman | this isnt exactly a kde problem..but could someone possibly help me with a permission problem? =x |
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| 07:27.51 | macisaac | posthuman: ask the question and you'll see |
| 07:28.35 | posthuman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:28.58 | posthuman | meh its probably a suse problem |
| 07:29.44 | cacophony | that wouldn't really be a kde issue |
| 07:29.53 | cacophony | so youre better off asking in a more general linux chan |
| 07:30.14 | posthuman | mmkay, yeah i figured |
| 07:30.21 | posthuman | this room was one of the few that were movign a bit. |
| 07:30.22 | posthuman | haha |
| 07:30.26 | cacophony | heh yeah |
| 07:30.40 | cacophony | not used suse in a while so I cant help, sorry |
| 07:31.19 | TSimkin | i used suse once |
| 07:31.23 | TSimkin | spent so much on it too |
| 07:31.28 | TSimkin | it was ok |
| 07:31.40 | TSimkin | but compared to debian or gentoo it leaves much to be desired i found :( |
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| 07:32.17 | posthuman | heh |
| 07:32.27 | posthuman | never tried gentoo |
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| 07:54.37 | chrisyc | hi, i started using kde 3.5rc1 a few weeks ago, and ever since i have started using it, i have not been able to compile programs, when compiling kopete or amarok i get an error during the make process, which says ld cannot accept the option -lacl, can anyone help me? |
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| 07:59.15 | Latino | Is kde 3.5 already in deb/sid repo? |
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| 08:10.20 | fpitt_ | Hi2all! |
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| 08:12.59 | step | i updated to KDE 3.5 (from 3.4) and now all my IMAP forlder are empty. i use disconnected imap . i really need my e-mails so i can work... HELP! |
| 08:16.44 | step | hallooo! anyone ? |
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| 08:24.54 | step | damn this kmail update. |
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| 08:25.28 | illogic-al | step: try #kontact |
| 08:26.17 | step | illogic-al: i had to manually copy the kmail dir contetnt to 3.5 |
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| 08:34.50 | cacophony | step: so it worked? |
| 08:37.10 | step | i have e-mails but there is a problem with subforlders (subscribed forlders) |
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| 08:38.27 | step | damn, i need my kmail. it's fast and can deal with massive e-mail inbox |
| 08:38.46 | step | when it works :) |
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| 08:48.06 | misieq | is there any way to alter size of only one icon on desktop in kde? |
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| 09:02.31 | MrB | anyone else getting kontact 1.2/kmail 1.9 falling over all the time when using a lot of imap folders? |
| 09:02.48 | MrB | gentoo, gcc 3.4.4 |
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| 10:10.17 | FRIpolz | does anyone here use Qt 4.1 ? |
| 10:10.45 | FRIpolz | or at least tried using the rc |
| 10:10.58 | oGALAXYo | not here but in #kde4-devel |
| 10:11.08 | FRIpolz | 10x |
| 10:11.11 | cpw | some people use QT 4.1 for non kde stuff |
| 10:11.14 | cpw | but that's about it |
| 10:11.28 | cpw | for KDE, you'd want KDE4, which is really really development |
| 10:11.39 | cpw | and probably you shouldn't use unless you like to fix stuff :P |
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| 10:18.30 | MrB | anyone else seeing something like http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116876 ? |
| 10:22.27 | thiago | MrB: no |
| 10:22.33 | MrB | hmm |
| 10:22.35 | thiago | MrB: and the stack trace doesn't match anything existing |
| 10:22.43 | MrB | nasty crashes all over the place here |
| 10:22.50 | MrB | kmail is basically unusable |
| 10:22.57 | MrB | at least, with auto mail check on |
| 10:23.39 | thiago | MrB: I've been using it for quite a long time and I've never seen that |
| 10:23.47 | thiago | for 5 years |
| 10:24.01 | MrB | i never saw it until yesterday when i moved to kde 3.5 |
| 10:24.02 | thiago | is your mailbox an IMAP server? |
| 10:24.04 | MrB | yes |
| 10:24.29 | MrB | 6 imap servers, 1 of them is local |
| 10:25.18 | thiago | cached imap? |
| 10:25.38 | MrB | u mean disconnected? |
| 10:25.41 | MrB | standard imap |
| 10:25.46 | MrB | local courier server |
| 10:26.20 | thiago | yes, disconnected imap |
| 10:26.26 | MrB | no, not disconnected |
| 10:26.46 | thiago | all of them? |
| 10:27.00 | MrB | yep |
| 10:27.58 | thiago | ok |
| 10:28.11 | thiago | I asked because there are several people reporting problems checking email with dimap |
| 10:28.29 | MrB | yeah i had problems with 3.4.x and dimap so i used imap |
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| 10:30.24 | MrB | aaaargh |
| 10:30.27 | MrB | crashed again |
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| 10:36.23 | MrB | thiago: r u on the kmail team? |
| 10:38.59 | hagabaka | hmm, i didn't know restoring KDE session restores a Konqueror session too |
| 10:39.07 | thiago | MrB: no |
| 10:39.11 | MrB | k |
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| 10:39.59 | hagabaka | but can I make Konqueror restore the session when I start it, without restarting KDE? |
| 10:40.17 | thiago | you don't |
| 10:40.25 | thiago | but you can do something similar by saving a profile |
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| 10:41.55 | hagabaka | wouldn't I need to save a profile every time I wanted to save session? |
| 10:45.10 | thiago | yes |
| 10:45.15 | hagabaka | oh |
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| 10:48.21 | hagabaka | does installing KDE 3.5 with konstruct by default install Qt? |
| 10:49.30 | misieq | hagabaka, yes |
| 10:50.18 | misieq | hagabaka, you can switch it off by setting HAVE_QT_3.3 varibale |
| 10:51.04 | hagabaka | after I upgraded to 3.5, some of my Qt programs compiled before, and qtconfig don't use the PlastiK style now, which is what I set in Control Panel. In qtconfig, it lists styles like CDE, Motif, Windows, but not PlastiK and Keramic, etc. |
| 10:51.47 | misieq | hagabaka, konstruct compiles qt, however it does not put it in PATH, read konstruct readme on how to do it |
| 10:51.59 | hagabaka | hmm |
| 10:52.01 | hagabaka | ok |
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| 10:53.06 | misieq | hagabaka, it's in "After installation" section at the end |
| 10:53.26 | hagabaka | oh |
| 10:53.30 | hagabaka | thanks |
| 10:53.39 | misieq | np, glad to help :) |
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| 10:56.38 | halcyonCorsair | hey, KDE 3.5 supports newer versions of HAL and DBUS, right? |
| 10:58.42 | hagabaka | it says export QTDIR=~/kde3.5, but I installed KDE 3.5 in /opt/kde/, so would I set QTDIR to that? right now qtdir is /usr/lib/qt |
| 11:00.05 | misieq | hagabaka, yes, you should set it to /opt/kde |
| 11:00.21 | hagabaka | oh |
| 11:00.25 | misieq | hagabaka, but be sure to backup your present config |
| 11:00.34 | hagabaka | ok |
| 11:00.39 | misieq | hagabaka, in case something goes wrong |
| 11:03.20 | misieq | hagabaka, if you copy your present ~/.kde directory to new kde settings (eg ~/.kdetest) you may have your settings in new kde without risking spoiling the previous version |
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| 11:05.54 | hagabaka | ok |
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| 11:06.23 | hagabaka | should I export those variables in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ? |
| 11:08.27 | misieq | hagabaka, i think it would be better to put it in /etc/profile if you're going to use your new kde system-wide. if it's only user-wide, please consider putting it in ~/.bash_profile |
| 11:08.44 | hagabaka | oh |
| 11:09.24 | misieq | hagabaka, this way qtdir and others will be exported whenever you start up your system, not only when you start x |
| 11:09.54 | hagabaka | i see |
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| 11:22.39 | dwarven | hello |
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| 11:23.44 | dwarven | Yesterday I upgrade my KDE version to 3.4.1, and I lost the console mode in the kdm session menu. How can add it ? |
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| 11:31.58 | Beineri | dwarven: 3.4.1? who wants that today? |
| 11:32.23 | dwarven | I have a Debian testing, it's the latest available version ;) |
| 11:32.33 | misieq | Beineri, i think he was asking about help.... |
| 11:33.56 | Beineri | misieq: thanks, if you would have not pointed it out I would have never guessed that. |
| 11:34.03 | FRIpolz | dwarven: what's "console mode" supposed to do ? |
| 11:34.04 | dwarven | I would like to add console in the session menu of kde, to run console mode (the equivalent of Ctrl+Alt+F1) |
| 11:35.56 | dwarven | It is supposed to be the equivalent of Ctrl+Alt+F1, to switch to the console |
| 11:36.21 | misieq | dwarven, why not just use ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 11:37.23 | dwarven | I have a problem with my motherboard (Asus A7V8X-X). PS2 keyboards are not recognized on some OS as Win2k and WinXP, and now linux |
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| 11:37.53 | dwarven | The solution is to run the console mode (keyboard in usable in console) and rerun kdm |
| 11:38.23 | misieq | dwarven, did you look over here: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kdm/kdm-files.html ? |
| 11:38.23 | dwarven | it is a known problem for this motherboard, no way to solve it |
| 11:39.25 | dwarven | I didn't. I am going to read |
| 11:39.33 | misieq | dwarven, perhaps you could kill x (afaict ctrl-alt-bksp), so you'll be in console and later you can login and start kdm? |
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| 11:40.03 | misieq | or you may stop x from starting with system, just start it manually |
| 11:41.19 | dwarven | yes, it's a possibility, by I would prefer running with KDM (sometimes keyboard is on) |
| 11:43.10 | dwarven | It seems to be ConsoleTTYs section in kdmrc file. But if it is empty by default, what may I write to active it ? |
| 11:43.32 | misieq | dunno |
| 11:44.08 | dwarven | Or may it be AllowConsole ? |
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| 11:45.31 | misieq | yeah, i think allowconsole may be it |
| 11:45.54 | misieq | try to set it to true (although it is said that by default it is) |
| 11:46.08 | dwarven | allowconsole needs consoletty to be configured |
| 11:46.24 | misieq | be sure to configure also consolettys and serverttys |
| 11:46.27 | dwarven | consoletty=tty1 ? |
| 11:46.30 | misieq | servertty |
| 11:46.40 | misieq | yes, i think so |
| 11:47.01 | misieq | withou leading '/dev/' it should tty1 imo |
| 11:47.24 | dwarven | I try it this afternoon. Thanks misieq :) |
| 11:47.48 | misieq | np, glad to help :) |
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| 11:48.46 | dwarven | bye |
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| 11:55.12 | Stonekeeper | hi. Is there a way to extract all attachements from all messages in a folder in kmail? thanks. |
| 11:56.34 | Beineri | no |
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| 11:57.47 | Stonekeeper | ok. I got 12G of pdfs. I can't realistically go through them all. What are my options? |
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| 11:59.23 | doktoreas | morning to all |
| 11:59.47 | misieq | Stonekeeper, kmail perhaps stores your emails in your ~/.kde directory, try looking here: ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail |
| 12:00.10 | doktoreas | guys got an issue rebooting my session of kde...when i select it, the screen goes black |
| 12:00.23 | doktoreas | the same also if i opt for "closing session" |
| 12:01.59 | Stonekeeper | misieq: is there a way to extract the attachments from the files? |
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| 12:04.28 | al_shopov | Hey, how do I get an anonymous cehckout from KDE's svn? |
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| 12:06.06 | al_shopov | OK. I got it - I used wrong schema |
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| 12:08.28 | misieq | Stonekeeper, what kind of files do you have there? |
| 12:08.34 | Stonekeeper | pdfs |
| 12:08.40 | Stonekeeper | email = maildir |
| 12:09.06 | misieq | so it's ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail and what next? |
| 12:09.29 | misieq | (i don't use kmail, so i don't know) |
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| 12:10.50 | misieq | what folders/files do you have in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail? can you find files containing your emails? |
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| 12:12.44 | misieq | Stonekeeper, can you find files containing your emails? |
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| 12:38.40 | Maneit | Does anyone know if its possile to hide the tear-off handles for the toolbars in konqueror and other apps? |
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| 12:46.08 | fernando | please, help me! My keyboard slowed down after starting KDE. |
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| 12:47.12 | fernando | What can i do? |
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| 12:48.03 | thiago | slowed down? |
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| 12:49.01 | thiago | KDE Control Centre, Peripherals, Keyboard |
| 12:49.03 | fernando | yes became hard to type, thiago . |
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| 12:51.09 | wedgeV | si there any grip like app that comes with kde? |
| 12:51.48 | fernando | KDE Control Centre didn't solve the trouble, thiago! |
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| 12:55.02 | grepper | wedgeV: audiocd:/ in konqueror can rip |
| 12:55.50 | wedgeV | very nice |
| 12:55.52 | wedgeV | thanks |
| 12:56.23 | we2by | hello |
| 12:56.28 | we2by | I have a problem here |
| 12:56.43 | we2by | see what happened sometimes when I click on the launch icons on the left. |
| 12:56.44 | we2by | http://www.cinaq.net/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core%3ADownloadItem&g2_itemId=1903 |
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| 12:57.03 | fernando | If i restart with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, i can type my home password fast, thiago |
| 12:57.22 | KimmoKM | Hi. I have one problem with KDE 3.5. Before Alt+Left/Right arrow worked in Konsole (Changes channel in Irssi) |
| 12:57.29 | KimmoKM | But it doesn't work anymore for some reason. |
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| 12:58.20 | KimmoKM | It doesn't work in some terminals (like gnome-terminal), but works in some (like rxvt). And before updating to KDE 3.5 it worked in Konsole. |
| 12:58.42 | benJIman | you can use alt+number to change channel in irssi |
| 12:58.54 | KimmoKM | I have more channels than numbers. |
| 12:59.10 | benJIman | you can use q-o too |
| 12:59.12 | KimmoKM | And I want to use alt+arrow. And it worked before, what is changed so it doesn't work anymore? |
| 12:59.20 | KimmoKM | benJIman: Too many channels for that too. |
| 12:59.20 | we2by | u can use /window # |
| 12:59.22 | benJIman | it didn't work for me before with console |
| 12:59.30 | benJIman | *konsole |
| 12:59.30 | KimmoKM | we2by: It is slow. |
| 12:59.39 | we2by | make an alias |
| 12:59.41 | we2by | say /w |
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| 13:00.31 | MrB | KimmoKM: shift arrow? |
| 13:00.33 | MrB | works here |
| 13:00.38 | KimmoKM | Not here. |
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| 13:00.56 | KimmoKM | And why it works in rxvt and others and not in Konsole anymore? |
| 13:00.58 | Stonekeeper | misieq: sorry was at lunch |
| 13:01.11 | DeadS0ul | star light star bright, please let kde 3.5 be in debian unstable tonight... |
| 13:01.14 | KimmoKM | I just get 3D (left) and 3C (right). |
| 13:01.26 | Stonekeeper | misieq: I've just had the all clear to dump the data - problem solved :D |
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| 13:01.46 | MrB | goddamn this crashing kmail sucks |
| 13:01.59 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 13:01.59 | manulite | hi,my desktop icons displace everytime i reboot, how do i stop them from doing that |
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| 13:03.08 | straw | manulite: that's a bug in kde versions prior to 3.5, iirc |
| 13:03.09 | DeadS0ul | manulite: I think that's one of the most hated bugs hehe |
| 13:03.27 | manulite | so annoying |
| 13:03.37 | manulite | is it fixed in 3.5? |
| 13:03.56 | oGALAXYo | is there a way to convert info path stuff to some linux format ? |
| 13:05.10 | straw | info path stuff? |
| 13:05.14 | DeadS0ul | ahhhhhhhhh no only parital support for kde 3.5 debian unstable =( |
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| 13:06.06 | straw | DeadS0ul: jump on a debian mailing list a rail flaming death at them ;) |
| 13:06.16 | floyd_n_milan | just upgraded from 3.4 to 3.5... my pop-up panel on the right hand side of the screen doesn't work... the one at the bottom works.. why would this be? |
| 13:07.00 | DeadS0ul | straw: hahahaha |
| 13:07.25 | fernando | hard to type at keyboard. Was working nice yesterday. what happened with my KDE? |
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| 13:08.16 | straw | kde broke your keyboard? |
| 13:08.44 | PhilRod | fernando: you'll have to describe more fully what's "hard" to type |
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| 13:09.02 | fernando | seems, straw |
| 13:09.11 | we2by | any one has an idea why kde is doing this? |
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| 13:09.28 | straw | must be the new KStiffKeys... |
| 13:09.34 | we2by | http://www.cinaq.net/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=1903 |
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| 13:11.07 | PhilRod | manulite: fixed in 3.5, I think |
| 13:11.22 | fernando | my keyboard is working well at my Windows partition, straw! |
| 13:12.18 | straw | fernando: i'm sorry, only joking. can you give a better description of the problem? |
| 13:12.41 | PhilRod | we2by: do you mean the black bar on the icon above the firefox one? |
| 13:12.50 | we2by | yea |
| 13:12.56 | we2by | i dunno why it's doing that |
| 13:13.05 | floyd_n_milan | err shouldn't 3.5 pick up all the settings from 3.4? the ones in ~/.kde ? |
| 13:15.04 | thiago | floyd_n_milan: it should |
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| 13:15.30 | straw | floyd_n_milan: not necessarily. at least it didn't for me 100% |
| 13:15.42 | floyd_n_milan | well, i had two kicker panels in 3.4.. one of them works fine in 3.5, the other doesn't |
| 13:15.47 | floyd_n_milan | straw, mhmm |
| 13:16.33 | floyd_n_milan | hmmm firefox 1.5 starts up faster |
| 13:16.36 | popopop | hello, I'd like to know how I can make a script on konqueror to change links in webpages as I want to add my own variable to an url |
| 13:16.58 | popopop | like : page.php?&my_variable_to_add |
| 13:17.39 | straw | floyd_n_milan: if you re-add the panel, kicker may pick up the existing settings |
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| 13:17.54 | floyd_n_milan | straw, ok, i'll try that |
| 13:18.22 | fernando | That´s why people hates Linux, straw. My keyboard has never slow down at XP, straw!!!!! |
| 13:18.44 | straw | OMG |
| 13:19.10 | fernando | OMG?? |
| 13:19.20 | straw | yeah |
| 13:19.28 | thiago | fernando: have you tried what I suggested? |
| 13:19.50 | fernando | yes |
| 13:19.56 | thiago | fernando: what did you set your repeat rate and delays to? |
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| 13:20.12 | benJIman | if you hold down shift for 10s in kde it will put slow-keys on |
| 13:20.25 | fernando | default |
| 13:20.43 | benJIman | fernando: do you have to hold a letter down for a second or so before it registers? |
| 13:20.47 | thiago | benJIman: good point |
| 13:21.37 | fernando | oh, thank you benjiman. Was that. |
| 13:22.21 | benJIman | fernando: windows does the same btw, you can turn it off in kcontrol -> regional & accessability -> accessability -> activation gestures |
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| 13:22.42 | fernando | Now my keyboard is working fine!!!!! |
| 13:22.51 | Lautre | Hello |
| 13:23.22 | fernando | benjiman will be my guru |
| 13:23.29 | straw | heh |
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| 13:24.26 | fernando | Straw must be a linux beginner, benjiman!!!! |
| 13:25.17 | straw | yes, i've always been a newbie |
| 13:25.41 | we2by | no one has an idea why it's doing that? |
| 13:25.43 | Sho_ | straw: for years, eh? ;) |
| 13:25.46 | fernando | such me, straw. |
| 13:26.16 | straw | Sho_: yup. forever :) |
| 13:26.32 | fernando | I will last using my good SuSE Pro 9.3 plus KDE 3.4.3. Cheers!!!! |
| 13:27.02 | straw | cheers, fernando :) |
| 13:27.14 | PhilRod | popopop: you might be able to do it with a konqueror plugin - see the existing plugins in kdeaddons |
| 13:28.10 | fernando | Now, I will more careful on pressing "Shift", more than 10 seconds!!! |
| 13:28.11 | popopop | PhilRod: I'll have a lopok at them, thanks |
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| 13:29.04 | straw | fernando: you can disable it if you want, as benJIman described |
| 13:30.07 | fernando | I migrated to Linux caused by XP viruses, straw!!! |
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| 13:31.19 | fernando | I have still used AutoCAD at my XP partition, straw!!! |
| 13:31.31 | straw | fernando: good. chasing spyware and such is no fun |
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| 13:32.49 | fernando | My XP net connections are desactivated. Internet only at SuSE, straw!!! |
| 13:33.43 | straw | fernando: i'm very careful when online with XP myself |
| 13:34.15 | fernando | I will not use it anymore, I hope, straw!!! |
| 13:36.23 | fernando | The problem with my keyboard, was made by my 15 years old nephew. He uses aMSN to chat every day! |
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| 13:38.23 | straw | you should give him his own user name to use |
| 13:38.50 | fernando | Cheers, straw and benjiman!!!! |
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| 13:44.02 | treat | how can i kill a remote session? |
| 13:44.26 | straw | what type of remote session? |
| 13:44.33 | treat | xdmcp |
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| 13:45.19 | treat | i guess, the type you get when you choose remote in kdm |
| 13:45.51 | treat | or even better if you could overtake it locally |
| 13:46.37 | straw | hm, i'm not very familiar with xdmcp |
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| 13:47.44 | PhilRod | by selecting logout from the K menu? |
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| 13:47.49 | straw | heh |
| 13:48.07 | PhilRod | you can't take it over locally unless you're using vnc or nx or something similar |
| 13:48.10 | straw | i was assuming there was more to it... |
| 13:48.25 | treat | i don't want to kill this session |
| 13:49.12 | treat | i connected remotely to this computer somewhere else |
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| 13:51.54 | PhilRod | oh, so you want to disconnect from the server end? |
| 13:52.04 | treat | yes |
| 13:53.42 | PhilRod | hrm, not sure. Perhaps there's an appropriate process to kill |
| 13:53.52 | PhilRod | maybe send SIGTERM to startkde |
| 13:54.02 | straw | hrm, man xdmcp? |
| 13:54.23 | treat | i seached google forever |
| 13:54.33 | straw | no manual entry |
| 13:54.39 | treat | yeah |
| 13:54.54 | straw | i wonder where it's docs are |
| 13:55.54 | misieq | anyone knows if i can change one's icon size? |
| 13:56.36 | straw | treat: man xdm, apparently |
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| 13:57.11 | straw | misieq: most of the time, yes |
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| 13:57.51 | straw | misieq: where is the icon you want to resize? |
| 13:58.19 | misieq | pulpit |
| 13:58.29 | misieq | errr... s/pulpit/desktop/ :) |
| 13:58.44 | straw | heheh |
| 13:59.01 | straw | it's in control center |
| 13:59.44 | straw | there's a second tab on the icon page |
| 14:00.13 | misieq | ah, yes |
| 14:00.55 | misieq | but this is... desktop-wide and i want to change size of only one icon. is that possible? perhaps some .desktop file? |
| 14:01.17 | straw | oh, not easily, no |
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| 14:01.22 | treat | bah forget it i will just reboot |
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| 14:02.15 | misieq | and there is only 'desktop/file manager' entry, it's not only deskto |
| 14:02.16 | misieq | p |
| 14:02.46 | straw | yes, they are linked |
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| 14:07.18 | straw | man, watching ethereal captures is just depressing :/ |
| 14:08.22 | straw | repeated netbios and windows messenger service related connection attempts all over |
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| 14:10.30 | straw | many of them originating from ips assigned by my own isp... |
| 14:10.40 | straw | blah :| |
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| 14:43.51 | pinotree | hello =) |
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| 14:57.22 | toddf | OpenBSD/i386/3.8-current kdebase 3.5.0 .. konqueror _still_ doesn't handle 'maps.google.com' properly *sigh* |
| 14:57.38 | annma | balme google |
| 14:57.41 | annma | blame |
| 14:58.04 | toddf | I've told the two people I know at google about the behavior, no changes in several months ;-( |
| 14:58.37 | pinotree | toddf: identify yourself as safari in the .google.com domain |
| 14:58.37 | toddf | wonder what specific hack would work? |
| 14:58.42 | toddf | safari |
| 14:58.48 | toddf | I did mozilla 1.6 ;-( |
| 14:59.26 | toddf | hahaha |
| 14:59.27 | toddf | thanks |
| 14:59.31 | pinotree | np |
| 15:00.24 | toddf | perhaps that should come as a default setting, considering it really doesn't work otherwise |
| 15:00.45 | toddf | aka a pre-populated browser-identity entry .. |
| 15:01.13 | pinotree | toddf: that is what is done in a kubuntu installation |
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| 15:06.39 | thiago | toddf: yes it does |
| 15:07.00 | thiago | Google is at fault |
| 15:07.08 | thiago | we will NOT supply changed identities by default |
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| 15:08.32 | toddf | just IM'ed friend at google, asked for pointers on how to get google to recognize that konqueror works now .. |
| 15:08.44 | nuxil | is it posseble to record with kdetv? |
| 15:09.52 | Theory_ | I wonder how much it costs/how much hassle it is for google to roll out a new build of any of their main service |
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| 15:21.14 | Maneit | annma ping? |
| 15:21.21 | annma | pong |
| 15:21.40 | Maneit | good. Do you know if it's possible to hide tear-off handles in toolbars? |
| 15:22.20 | nuxil | hey does anyoone know if is it posseble to record with kdetv? |
| 15:22.20 | annma | no idea |
| 15:22.43 | Maneit | I love the option to hide appleg handles in the mainpanel. Would be nice for other panels as well :) |
| 15:22.43 | annma | Maneit: if it is a seetng it'll be in kcontrol |
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| 15:23.01 | Maneit | Yes, I looked around yesterday but couldn't find it |
| 15:23.25 | Maneit | applet handles* |
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| 15:24.49 | Maneit | If it's not part of KDE now, it should be for 4.0. Atleast for the main toolbar (the one on the bottom of the desktop) it gives a totaly clean look. I think it could do the same for programs using movable toolbars, such as konqueror :) |
| 15:25.25 | annma | you mean it could bea setting per toolbar? |
| 15:25.44 | Maneit | F.ex, or per program, or even global |
| 15:26.24 | Maneit | Personaly I never more them anyway |
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| 15:26.35 | Maneit | move* |
| 15:27.22 | annma | yes I was about to ask: how would you move them? |
| 15:27.24 | thiago | you can hide the applet handles by locking the panel |
| 15:28.03 | Maneit | annma: If you want to move them again you'd need to enable "show handles" again, or something like that. It would fit in the right-click meny on each panel |
| 15:28.49 | Maneit | thiago: I know, but thats only for the main toolbar, or system tray or whatever it's called. I would love that feature in all the toolbars used by programs (such as "Main Toolbar" and "Location Toolbar" in konqueror) |
| 15:30.07 | Maneit | I mean, the opertunity to move your toolbars around within a program is great. But when you don't move them, you don't want the tear-off handles (i think thats what they're called) showing |
| 15:30.39 | thiago | Maneit: ok, I see |
| 15:30.46 | thiago | maybe for KDE4, if Qt4 supports that |
| 15:30.56 | Maneit | Would also give a very slick look for programs using such toolbars |
| 15:31.42 | thiago | or not |
| 15:32.33 | Maneit | hehe |
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| 15:48.01 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: hello ? |
| 15:48.07 | Maneit | Something like: http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~romnes/kdeproposal.html :) |
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| 15:49.04 | Divide | hello |
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| 15:49.37 | dinolinux | hello Divide |
| 15:49.55 | oGALAXYo | CVirus: yes ? |
| 15:50.00 | Divide | how can I find out why kbuildsycoca triggers? |
| 15:50.03 | CVirus | guys .. I used to be a gnome user but recently I emerged KDE and started using it but it didnt associate the filetypes with its apps .. almost most of my files open with gnome apps ... and days ago there was no this sound that is emitted when i minimize or maximize a window and sumthings like that !! |
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| 15:50.07 | Divide | it seems to trigger at random on my system |
| 15:50.15 | Divide | most notably when I start mplayer :-/ |
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| 15:50.51 | oGALAXYo | CVirus: apt-get uninstall gnome |
| 15:50.57 | oGALAXYo | CVirus: apt-get purge |
| 15:50.58 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: I need gnome |
| 15:51.01 | oGALAXYo | CVirus: apt-get install kde |
| 15:51.04 | oGALAXYo | you dont need gnome |
| 15:51.13 | birchoff | can konstruct restrict which individual programs get installed within a certain kde package |
| 15:51.18 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: my lil' sister does :) |
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| 15:51.56 | oGALAXYo | why does your sister want to use a broken desktop enviroment ? |
| 15:52.12 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: actually I've realized that KDE is more broken |
| 15:52.24 | oGALAXYo | its not |
| 15:52.27 | CVirus | kpersonalizer doesnt save my settings |
| 15:52.48 | oGALAXYo | you should try investigating where the real problems are.. and not simply shift it to kde. |
| 15:53.08 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: when I click on control-center in the KDE menu it doesnt launch |
| 15:53.14 | oGALAXYo | see |
| 15:53.14 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: I have to run it from terminal |
| 15:53.20 | oGALAXYo | thats the problems |
| 15:53.25 | oGALAXYo | its NOT KDE related |
| 15:53.41 | CVirus | what is it related to then ? |
| 15:53.44 | oGALAXYo | the problem is a mixed setup with GNOME and KDE |
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| 15:53.49 | oGALAXYo | thats the FIRST problem |
| 15:54.06 | oGALAXYo | the SECOND problem is that something doesnt really work on your side e.g. wrong setup, permission issue etc. |
| 15:54.08 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: alot of distros have gnome + kde by default |
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| 15:54.12 | oGALAXYo | no |
| 15:54.16 | ultrav1olet | I can't compile Kaffeine 0.7.1 with KDE 3.5. Can anyone help me? |
| 15:54.32 | oGALAXYo | ultrav1olet: people in #kde-devel helped you already for more than one hour by now. |
| 15:55.04 | ultrav1olet | mornfall told me I can ask for help here |
| 15:55.29 | oGALAXYo | CVirus: well let me say differently. you should seriously consider installing a clean desktop (and stay with one) maybe you should reconsider installing a KDE based distribution or simply remove GNOME from your one.. |
| 15:56.04 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: okay .. I will remove gnome .. now what about those sounds that stopped working ! |
| 15:56.06 | oGALAXYo | CVirus: the issues with kpersonalizer not saving your settings is most likely a permission issue, so is launching control-center.. it should work but it depends on the setup of your system. the way things are installed. |
| 15:56.17 | oGALAXYo | CVirus: thats all related to it.. |
| 15:56.36 | oGALAXYo | something is messed up during fiddling with KDE and GNOME (mixed stuff up etc) and voila you end in two half working products. |
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| 15:57.19 | oGALAXYo | i seriously recommend this.. get over GNOME, re-install KDE (again install it new), create a new user account (or move your homedir to homedir.bak and create a new one (watch the permissions) and then do a new kde setup and copy your personal data over.. |
| 15:57.45 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: will do |
| 15:57.49 | nuxil | does kde have any recording app for video? like from input like composite |
| 15:57.53 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: Thanks |
| 15:58.01 | oGALAXYo | nuxil: mplayer/mencoder |
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| 15:58.11 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 15:58.26 | DaBlade | How do I make Konqueror accept input from the keyboard in flash games? |
| 15:58.41 | DaBlade | I type and type and type, click and click and click on the flash game, but it just refuses to focus on it |
| 15:58.44 | oGALAXYo | CVirus: no problem, well your problems are solvable really... but the issues you describe are not KDE related.. there's simply something messed up (permission, installation, mixed desktops etc).. what exactly i cant say. |
| 15:58.49 | DaBlade | doesn't seem to accept imput |
| 15:58.53 | DaBlade | *input |
| 15:59.02 | nuxil | oGALAXYo noo |
| 15:59.15 | nuxil | it has to be like a tvapp |
| 15:59.23 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: I had gnome and KDE installed with my old fedora and I had no issues at all .. Thats weird |
| 15:59.23 | oGALAXYo | nuxil: try looking on apps-kde.org |
| 15:59.39 | Divide | :/ |
| 15:59.57 | oGALAXYo | CVirus: exactly.. usually there shouldn't be any issues and so its now too.. but you seem to have messed up something and blamed it on kde.. |
| 15:59.57 | PhilRod | ultrav1olet: paste the error output to a pasteboard and put the link here. Also read: |
| 16:00.00 | PhilRod | ~buildtr |
| 16:00.01 | apt | methinks buildtr is http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Build+Troubleshooting |
| 16:00.15 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: I really dunno what happened but I still beleive that its a KDE issue |
| 16:01.02 | oGALAXYo | no, seriously not.. KDE went on a too big testing, it has a too wide userbase.. sure problems cant be avoided, but you can be save that SUCH big mistakes would have been covered immediately. |
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| 16:01.42 | oGALAXYo | i mean 2/3 of the open soruce people use KDE these days... such mistakes simply can't happen anymore.. people keep using and testing kde.. |
| 16:01.47 | oGALAXYo | CVirus: try using kde 3.5 |
| 16:01.54 | PhilRod | CVirus: what's the problem? |
| 16:02.09 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: I'm an x86 guy :) |
| 16:02.15 | CVirus | oGALAXYo: not a ~x86 one |
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| 16:02.30 | CVirus | PhilRod: guys .. I used to be a gnome user but recently I emerged KDE and started using it but it didnt associate the filetypes with its apps .. almost most of my files open with gnome apps ... and days ago there was no this sound that is emitted when i minimize or maximize a window and sumthings like that !! |
| 16:03.17 | frb | I used to work for ximian about 2-3 years ago, went on sabbatical from computers for that period, then came back and tried kde |
| 16:03.30 | misieq | i'm hungry :) |
| 16:03.32 | frb | kde grew in the time I was gone, Gnome didn't feel like it changed at all |
| 16:03.46 | Divide | anybody has any idea on the kbuildsycoca issue? |
| 16:03.55 | Divide | if it helps, I use gamin and dnotify |
| 16:04.16 | Divide | at least I have dnotify in kernel and emerged gamin with +dnotify, no idea if it actually uses it |
| 16:05.22 | oGALAXYo | frb: :) |
| 16:05.33 | PhilRod | CVirus: probably a packaging bug. Did you install the whole of kdebase? |
| 16:05.59 | CVirus | PhilRod: I also thought about it ... I emerged kde-meta |
| 16:06.23 | lippel | i know this problem from kubuntu, when i accidentally installed gnome. after that, all associations were broken. |
| 16:06.38 | lippel | and it stayed that way after removing gnome again |
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| 16:07.17 | PhilRod | I don't know of any way in which kde and gnome file associations interact, though presumably there must be some way |
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| 16:08.21 | PhilRod | maybe via ~/.config and/or ~/.local - CVirus, try renaming those two directories and restarting KDE |
| 16:09.05 | CVirus | PhilRod: nice idea |
| 16:09.09 | CVirus | brb .. trying |
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| 16:10.55 | MrB | anyone know which kde packages i need built with debug to get a kmail backtrace= |
| 16:10.56 | MrB | ? |
| 16:11.19 | MrB | ive done kmail, kdepim.. im guessing kdelibs now |
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| 16:11.50 | thiago | MrB: kdelibs, kdepim |
| 16:12.06 | MrB | yeah, split kdepim package tho |
| 16:13.31 | annma | MrB: you should have started with kdelibs |
| 16:13.42 | MrB | annma: doing that now |
| 16:13.55 | annma | --enable-debug=full |
| 16:15.50 | lippel | --enable-debug=yes should suffice |
| 16:16.02 | MrB | well im just setting debug use flag in gentoo for it.. |
| 16:16.06 | MrB | not building myself |
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| 16:16.39 | MrB | --enable-debug=full --with-debug has been set tho |
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| 16:24.11 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 16:25.03 | dinolinux | hello |
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| 16:28.05 | azi_ | what's going on with kdelook.org? |
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| 16:28.28 | PhilRod | kde-look.org seems to be working fine here |
| 16:28.48 | azi_ | heh '-' |
| 16:28.49 | nuxil | azi_ kde-look.org not kdelook.org |
| 16:28.51 | nuxil | :P |
| 16:29.26 | thiago | it's the same website |
| 16:29.59 | azi_ | yeah |
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| 16:30.43 | mike-m_ | do you know where the cache for konqueror is ? |
| 16:30.59 | PhilRod | ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror perhaps |
| 16:31.30 | mike-m_ | not there |
| 16:31.54 | PhilRod | maybe kio_http |
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| 16:32.22 | thiago | $KDEVARTMP/http |
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| 16:34.31 | reagleBRKLN | using kde3.5 now and really like the improvement in kate but 2 tweaks are needed: how to close the sidebars and their display window (don't need to see docuemnts or python browser) and now kate always open as seperate instacne rather than new tab in existing |
| 16:35.00 | thiago | mike-m_: why find? |
| 16:35.06 | thiago | mike-m_: I've just told you where they are |
| 16:35.07 | verblendet | hi all, how can i access smb no 127.0.0.1 on port 11111 in konqueror? it doesnt connect, it just connects to the default port on localhost running smb, what i use is a ssh tunnel to my external server. i use smb://user@127.0.0.1:11111 but doesnt work |
| 16:35.23 | mike-m_ | thiago: KDEVARTMP is not sent by me |
| 16:35.29 | thiago | mike-m_: so it's /var/tmp |
| 16:35.33 | mike-m_ | and I still didn't figure out |
| 16:35.44 | verblendet | on console with smbmount this is no problem with the port option |
| 16:35.45 | mike-m_ | yes :-) |
| 16:35.46 | thiago | actually, /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER |
| 16:35.50 | mike-m_ | thank you |
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| 16:36.57 | x03n | what's the name of the wireless utility? |
| 16:37.41 | mike-m_ | :-D |
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| 16:39.12 | TSimkin | 3.5 is now emerged! |
| 16:39.13 | TSimkin | YAY |
| 16:39.30 | halcyonCorsair | TSimkin: gentoo? |
| 16:40.01 | mike-m_ | x03n: kwirelessmonitor ? |
| 16:40.25 | TSimkin | bbs! |
| 16:40.47 | x03n | mike-m_, I think I found it, it's kwifimanager |
| 16:41.18 | toddf | hmm, where do I re-enable the search dialog box? |
| 16:41.28 | toddf | I disabled it by accident and now I can't find the setting to enable it ;-( |
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| 16:43.03 | TSimkin | lol |
| 16:43.05 | TSimkin | what search dialog? |
| 16:43.07 | TSimkin | bbs! |
| 16:43.32 | toddf | the one where it has the google icon and you can type text in it and it automatically goes to google search |
| 16:44.01 | Maneit | The kwifimanger "Scan for networks" dialog needs some work. :p |
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| 16:47.05 | pinotree | ~b.k.o. |
| 16:47.06 | apt | i guess b.k.o is http://bugs.kde.org, where you can report bugs in KDE, or request features you'd like to see in future versions. Make sure to check that your bug hasn't already been reported |
| 16:47.11 | pinotree | Maneit: ^^^ |
| 16:47.22 | pinotree | Maneit: that's why we have bugzilla for ;-) |
| 16:47.47 | Maneit | hehe, but is kwifimanager supposed to be the "official" wifi-manager for KDE? |
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| 16:48.17 | thiago | Maneit: I think it's the only wifi manager included in KDE |
| 16:48.25 | Maneit | right |
| 16:48.57 | Maneit | I'm not a usability expert, but someone who is should make a report on it imo :> |
| 16:49.51 | annma | the problemis always to find that person, Maneit |
| 16:50.13 | Maneit | Perhaps I should take some courses in usability at my uni then :p |
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| 16:52.50 | Blissex | Having done a fresh install of KDE 3.4.3 from binary packages on Fedora 4, when I print from Konqueror most stuff is badly garbled, that is except for non-plain text: http://www.sabi.co.uk/xirc/I/snapKonqPrintGarbled.png so... What can I do? |
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| 16:56.11 | oGALAXYo | Blissex: why havent you fresh installed KDE 3.5 ? |
| 16:56.28 | oGALAXYo | its released since a couple of days. |
| 16:56.33 | frb | anyone using converstion? I'm having issues with some dingus clicking |
| 16:56.37 | Blissex | oGALAXYo: not available from my Yum sources yet... But I can double check. |
| 16:56.44 | Blissex | frb: #Konversation tooo |
| 16:57.01 | Maneit | annma: My aRtsd works in KDE3.5 by the way. I was in here the other day complaining about it not working in kde3.4.2, kde3.5-alpha1, kde3.5-beta1 :> |
| 16:57.25 | frb | maybe they can tell me how to hide the useless server tabs too |
| 16:57.27 | annma | Blissex: what language should it be? |
| 16:57.57 | annma | Blissex: ping |
| 16:58.07 | Blissex | annma: English, it is the BBC news site. |
| 16:58.24 | Maneit | And I have yet to experience crashes with 3.5 final (except some software compiled from SVN). Good job! :) |
| 16:58.33 | annma | the BBC news is available in other languages, Blissex |
| 16:58.48 | Blissex | annma: yes, but that's really th English news site... |
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| 16:58.58 | annma | so what font do you use for konqueror? |
| 16:59.18 | Blissex | annma: it _displays_ correctly, but it prints wrong. That's the printing to a postscript file... |
| 16:59.33 | Blissex | annma: Helvetica... |
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| 16:59.41 | annma | what address for that page? |
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| 17:00.00 | ab0oo | how timely, speaking of fonts.. can anyone tell me how to change the font of popup dialog boxes? |
| 17:01.03 | ab0oo | hint: it's not in the "Control Center- Fonts" page |
| 17:01.51 | annma | Blissex: can you paste the page url please? |
| 17:02.06 | derelm | ab0oo: meaning font in passive popups? |
| 17:02.27 | Blissex | annma: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/business/default.stm |
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| 17:03.13 | ab0oo | no, font in (I) informational dialog boxes. |
| 17:03.17 | Blissex | annma: note that this happens with all pages, but as you can see from the screenshot, non-plain-text, like bold, underlines, bigger than default size, tend to come out right. |
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| 17:03.42 | ab0oo | derelm: i.e. the box that tells me that ARTS can't start because I forgot to load a module. |
| 17:04.01 | erikyyy | hi. How can i convert the stuff from QUriDrag into a filename suitable to open the file with QFile ? QUriDrag has this QUriDrag::decodeLocalFiles(e, sl); function. but the resulting strings contain garbage characters ... |
| 17:04.01 | erikyyy | for german umlauts |
| 17:04.08 | annma | Blissex: you use CUPS? |
| 17:04.12 | derelm | ab0oo: my guess would be that it uses the "General" font |
| 17:04.17 | ab0oo | It seems to also be the font that Eclipse uses for it's Package Manager window. On my 1680x1200 screen, it's HUGE |
| 17:04.46 | ab0oo | derelm: that would be my guess, as well, but it appears to be incorrect |
| 17:04.57 | annma | Blissex: you use CUPS? |
| 17:05.07 | Blissex | annma: right now yes, but the screeshot is of printing to a postscript file, and then displaying it with 'gv' |
| 17:05.24 | ab0oo | it is not a font that is available in the control panel. I have set ALL of my font sizes in that dialog to "6", and everything but that one font is correct. |
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| 17:06.03 | TheDarkSide | yo yo yo |
| 17:06.04 | TheDarkSide | :) |
| 17:06.18 | annma | it's beautiful for me |
| 17:07.17 | TheDarkSide | where can i find any docs for upgrading from kde 3.4 to 3.5... |
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| 17:07.38 | thiago | TheDarkSide: which method of upgrading do you want to use? |
| 17:07.38 | annma | Blissex: http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bbcprintps2md.png |
| 17:07.49 | Simkin | cups is da shiznat yo |
| 17:08.02 | annma | Blissex: I use kde 3.5 compiled from source but I never had any problems with kde 3.4 as well |
| 17:08.13 | TheDarkSide | thiago which method is easier .. i am noob .. |
| 17:08.13 | annma | TheDarkSide: distro? |
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| 17:08.20 | TheDarkSide | slackware |
| 17:08.40 | Blissex | annma: yes, neither have I with KDE 3.4.3 for Ubuntu. But a complete reinstall with Fedora causes this bizarre probem. |
| 17:08.43 | annma | does it have packages for 3.5? |
| 17:08.54 | annma | Blissex: so why don't you ask in #fedora |
| 17:09.03 | TheDarkSide | annma i downloaded tgz and tar.gz from kde.org |
| 17:09.08 | annma | Blissex: obviously it's related to your distro |
| 17:09.20 | Blissex | annma: aqlso, but it looks like something misconfigured with the KDE printing components... |
| 17:09.23 | annma | TheDarkSide: slackware has no package manager? |
| 17:09.50 | TheDarkSide | annma it has .. so i must install the new packages only with installpkg ? |
| 17:09.58 | thiago | TheDarkSide: how did you install KDE 3.4? |
| 17:10.01 | TheDarkSide | must i remove the old packages .. |
| 17:10.09 | annma | TheDarkSide: ask in #slackware, I don't run taht distro |
| 17:10.18 | TheDarkSide | thiago by default when i installed it |
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| 17:10.28 | thiago | TheDarkSide: it = KDE? |
| 17:10.35 | TheDarkSide | yes |
| 17:10.35 | thiago | so KDE was installed when you installed KDE? :-P |
| 17:10.48 | TheDarkSide | kde was installed when i installed slack :) |
| 17:10.59 | thiago | ah, ok |
| 17:11.12 | thiago | are there Slackware packages for KDE 3.5 available on the mirrors? |
| 17:11.22 | annma | Blissex: so you cannot print anything under kde??? |
| 17:11.23 | TheDarkSide | yes .. |
| 17:12.47 | Blissex | annma: curiously, from things like editors is OK, it seems Konqueror is the problem. |
| 17:13.12 | annma | Blissex: ask in #fedora then |
| 17:13.16 | thiago | what happens when you try to print? |
| 17:13.41 | Blissex | thiago: it prints very well, but mostly the wrong things... |
| 17:13.47 | thiago | heh |
| 17:13.51 | thiago | define "the wrong things" |
| 17:13.51 | Blissex | thiago: http://www.sabi.co.uk/xirc/I/snapKonqPrintGarbled.png |
| 17:14.32 | thiago | Blissex: check Preview before printing |
| 17:14.38 | thiago | is the preview also garbled? |
| 17:14.47 | Blissex | thiago: same, because previous just prints to Postscript and then renders it. |
| 17:15.04 | thiago | if you print to PDF, does it work? |
| 17:15.14 | Blissex | thiago: the screenshot above is rfrom printing to PostScript file and then viewing it with 'gv' or KGhostScript. |
| 17:15.15 | ab0oo | does anyone know where the kde global font config is located? |
| 17:15.26 | Blissex | ab0oo: yes, Control Centre. |
| 17:15.41 | Blissex | thiago: I'll try PDF, so far I tried only PostScript.... |
| 17:15.50 | ab0oo | sorry, I meant what file it's located in. |
| 17:15.51 | TheDarkSide | from .tar.gz how can i upgrade/install kde ? - ./configure make && make install ? |
| 17:16.00 | thiago | ab0oo: I guess it's kdeglobals |
| 17:16.06 | thiago | TheDarkSide: yes |
| 17:16.13 | ab0oo | The font I am trying to control is not accessible fom the control center |
| 17:16.14 | annma | TheDarkSide: you want ot keep your current kde? |
| 17:16.20 | thiago | TheDarkSide: Slackware's KDE should be fairly unmodified, so it should work |
| 17:16.51 | Blissex | thiago: yes, PDF too... |
| 17:17.05 | thiago | Blissex: breakage in konqueror |
| 17:17.13 | TheDarkSide | ok , thanks |
| 17:17.36 | annma | TheDarkSide: I would ask in #slaclware and use slack packs |
| 17:17.39 | Blissex | thiago: yes, I suspect as result of compiling a bit too aggressively, Fedora 4 uses GCC 4.0.2... Perhaps its that. |
| 17:17.53 | derelm | has anyone gotten mail filtering online imap accounts to work? |
| 17:20.33 | ab0oo | thiago: the only kdeglobals I have is in my ~/.kde3.5 directory, and it doesn't seem to have an entry to control my rogue font |
| 17:20.54 | thiago | ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals section [General] |
| 17:21.05 | Blissex | thiago: but then as <annma> suggested I might as well try to upgrade to 3.5... |
| 17:21.14 | thiago | Blissex: true |
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| 17:21.55 | ab0oo | thiago: all of the fonts in the [General] section are set to 6 point, and this font is much larger than 6 point. |
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| 17:22.07 | thiago | are we talking about Konqueror? |
| 17:22.21 | Blissex | ab0oo: not all fonts have all point sizes, and not all apps obey the defaults. |
| 17:22.42 | ab0oo | Blissex: but these are kdebase dialogs (I believe). |
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| 17:22.52 | Blissex | ab0oo: also, the fonts you are referring you are the _GUI_ fonts, not the content display fonts, as <thiago> is hinting. |
| 17:23.07 | ab0oo | Blissex: that sounds correct. |
| 17:23.32 | thiago | so, are we talking about the browser fonts? |
| 17:23.37 | Blissex | ab0oo: so it is a font for a menu dialog? Which application? All application? |
| 17:23.38 | ab0oo | so, I guess the question I should be asking is, "How do I control the GUI fonts" |
| 17:24.44 | ab0oo | There are two applications that I can think of that use the rogue font. One is eclipse, which allows me to control all of the application fonts except this one, and the other is in a warning from ARTS when it can't find my sound modules |
| 17:25.00 | ab0oo | hang on, I'm going to restart KDE and screen capture the rogue font. BRB |
| 17:25.02 | thiago | eclipse is not a KDE application |
| 17:25.39 | thiago | artsmessage is, though |
| 17:26.17 | thiago | can you reproduce this by running artsmessage "This is a message" ? |
| 17:26.32 | x03n | i may have found a bug... I got the 5 minute warning that my battery is running out, and it looked like kde was shutting down, the desktop and taskbar are gone, but it left the xchat window open |
| 17:26.34 | thiago | hey aaron |
| 17:26.41 | aseigo | thiago: yo dude |
| 17:26.55 | ab0oo | thiago: the artsmessage came through in the correct font |
| 17:27.23 | thiago | ab0oo: is artsmessage the right application? |
| 17:27.33 | thiago | ab0oo: I mean, is it the same application that shows the rogue font sometimes? |
| 17:27.35 | ab0oo | thiago: it is an Info dialog, not an error dialog that has the wrong font. standby, I'll get it. |
| 17:27.52 | PhilRod | x03n: I've seen similar things, but not reproducibly. Does it happen reproducibly for you? |
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| 17:28.34 | jak | Hi -- in kate, is it possible to toggle between two buffers (like switch between two that I am currently editing)? |
| 17:28.56 | x03n | PhilRod, I just upgraded to 3.5, so it's the first time |
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| 17:29.03 | somekool | good morning |
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| 17:29.35 | somekool | is it recommended to NOT install artsd ? I always been using it, but I keep hearing things I should not anymore. |
| 17:29.47 | thiago | somekool: no, arts is still recommended |
| 17:29.55 | Blissex | ab0oo: Eclipse is not a KDE or QT application... |
| 17:30.09 | Blissex | ab0oo: perhaps you have an issue with GTK2 fonts... |
| 17:30.15 | PhilRod | x03n: if it happens reproducibly, then it might be worth reporting, but if it's only a one-off, then the developers probably won't be able to diagnose it |
| 17:30.24 | ab0oo | hmmm, gtk2 fonts. THAT I'll believe. |
| 17:30.30 | PhilRod | somekool: where did you hear that you shouldn't use arts? |
| 17:31.28 | x03n | PhilRod, ok, I'll see if it happens again later |
| 17:31.28 | ab0oo | Blissex: any hints on where they are controlled? |
| 17:31.29 | Blissex | ab0oo: in which case you need either to install and enable the KDE/QT to GTK2 setting exporter... |
| 17:31.29 | Blissex | ab0oo: or look at '~/.gtk2-config' |
| 17:31.29 | ab0oo | Blissex: which is called.... ? |
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| 17:31.32 | Blissex | ab0oo: depends on the distribution, but if it is already installed is in 'Appearance & themes' |
| 17:31.51 | thiago | it's not called |
| 17:31.54 | ab0oo | the exporter, I mean. I've never heard of it. Ok. I'm using Gentoo (although not particularly happy w/ it), so it's most likely a sep package. |
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| 17:33.56 | chrisyc | hi, i started using kde 3.5rc1 a few weeks ago, and ever since i have started using it, i have not been able to compile programs, when compiling kopete or amarok i get an error during the make process, which says ld cannot accept the option -lacl, can anyone help me? |
| 17:34.25 | PhilRod | ab0oo: install the whole of kdebase, it'll make your life approximately 100 times easier |
| 17:34.25 | annma | somekool: all that arts flaming is stupid, don't listen to rumours |
| 17:34.33 | Simkin | chrisyc: upgrade to kde 3.5 now. it's out |
| 17:34.34 | thiago | chrisyc: did you build KDE from sources? |
| 17:34.41 | thiago | chrisyc: or did you install pre-built packages? |
| 17:34.54 | chrisyc | i used the rpms from yast, from kde supplementary update |
| 17:35.05 | thiago | chrisyc: install libacl-devel |
| 17:35.19 | chrisyc | ok ill try, thanks |
| 17:35.22 | somekool | ok, great, because arts is doing a good job |
| 17:36.39 | ab0oo | PhilRod: I did. and it does. But I can't find the GTK2<->QT connector anywhere. |
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| 17:37.07 | PhilRod | oh, that's gtk-qt-engine |
| 17:37.19 | PhilRod | or qt-gtk-engine - I forget which |
| 17:37.37 | oGALAXYo | heh does people still use it ? now that everything exists for KDE in better quality ? |
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| 17:38.36 | Oleg_ | I see a lot of *.desktop files got updated for 3.5 svn |
| 17:38.37 | pinotree | PhilRod: can you teach apt for gtk-qt or qt-gtk, with the link? |
| 17:38.44 | ab0oo | PhilRod: are you a gentoo user? |
| 17:38.49 | PhilRod | Oleg_: translations |
| 17:38.56 | Oleg_ | ok |
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| 17:40.32 | ab0oo | gtk-engines-qt looks correct.. |
| 17:40.53 | davidhouse | hey, in kopete, is there a way to stop new contacts coming online from popping a window up? |
| 17:41.21 | thiago | davidhouse: yes |
| 17:41.27 | thiago | change the notification for status changes |
| 17:41.34 | thiago | Settings, Configure Notifications |
| 17:41.35 | ab0oo | davidhouse: Configure Kopete: Behavior: Events |
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| 17:41.55 | gnd | hi |
| 17:41.57 | ab0oo | davidhouse: remove the X from "Show Bubble" |
| 17:42.00 | gnd | I have a problem |
| 17:42.08 | davidhouse | hmm |
| 17:42.27 | gnd | when X starts up and I get the login screen, my keyboard doesn |
| 17:42.29 | gnd | t work |
| 17:42.44 | davidhouse | i see 'Show Bubble on new message', but that's not what i want |
| 17:42.46 | gnd | and more, if I hit any key everything hangs for a few seconds |
| 17:42.58 | gnd | any idea? |
| 17:43.06 | davidhouse | there doesn't seem to be anything to do with status change |
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| 17:44.00 | gnd | also, there used to be a menu idem "console login" in the login window's menu, it's gone now, how do I get it back? |
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| 17:44.13 | gnd | I recently did a apt-get dist-upgrade on debian unstable |
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| 17:50.27 | ab0oo | YES, YES, YES! Thank you, PhilOut, for the GTK-engines-QT tip. That was EXACTLY what I was looking for. It even fixed Eclipse. |
| 17:50.45 | frb | how do I use konqueror to access <link>s? |
| 17:51.26 | lippel | frb: <link>s? which ones? |
| 17:52.09 | Sho_ | frb: KControl -> KDE Components -> Component Chooser -> Web Browser |
| 17:52.36 | frb | <link title="somewhere" type="text/html" rel="alternate" hreflang="de" href="support/de.html"> |
| 17:53.05 | thiago | frb: turn the rellinks plugin on |
| 17:54.17 | frb | thiago: I enabled "Links View" but all I got was a chain icon in the statusbar |
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| 17:54.30 | New0rder | anyone have issues compiling KDE 2.5? |
| 17:54.31 | New0rder | 3.5 |
| 17:54.36 | thiago | New0rder: no |
| 17:54.59 | New0rder | lemme restart the compile and paste in an error |
| 17:55.29 | thiago | frb: can you give me an example page? |
| 17:55.39 | stupendo44 | what program can I use to convert a bin to an iso |
| 17:55.45 | frb | http://www.hixie.ch/tests/evil/mixed/link1.html |
| 17:55.53 | dinolinux | could anybody just quickly give me the KDE 3.5 links for Debian? |
| 17:55.59 | annma | New0rder: paste the error in a paste bin, not in the channel please |
| 17:56.09 | annma | New0rder: include the last line that compiles |
| 17:56.13 | New0rder | naturally |
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| 17:56.18 | New0rder | gimme like 20 minutes. |
| 17:56.22 | mike-m_ | dinolinux: #debian-kde ? :p |
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| 17:56.32 | New0rder | I just closed the window yesterday some time. figuring I'll deal with it later |
| 17:56.42 | dinolinux | fine :S |
| 17:56.47 | thiago | frb: rellinks doesn't seem to do that |
| 17:56.47 | ab0oo | anyone have any thoughts on this message in .xsession-errors: kcminit: ERROR: Access denied to driver shared memory |
| 17:56.58 | ab0oo | it's keeping arts from working. |
| 17:56.59 | frb | thiago: I guess it's a bug? |
| 17:56.59 | mike-m_ | dinolinux: there are some packages at pkg-kde?alioth.debian.org |
| 17:57.04 | thiago | frb: no |
| 17:57.06 | mike-m_ | s/?/./ |
| 17:57.08 | thiago | frb: unimplemented feature |
| 17:57.21 | dinolinux | ok |
| 17:57.52 | New0rder | where do I request a feature? |
| 17:57.57 | thiago | ~b.k.o |
| 17:57.58 | apt | i heard b.k.o is http://bugs.kde.org, where you can report bugs in KDE, or request features you'd like to see in future versions. Make sure to check that your bug hasn't already been reported |
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| 18:05.04 | federico-II | hey guys -- anyone use GAIM with KDE here ? |
| 18:05.16 | federico-II | any good way to tie GAIM into the kde network state ? |
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| 18:06.34 | Tm_T | use Kopete, sir |
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| 18:07.43 | oGALAXYo | federico-II: yes there is.. use KOPETE |
| 18:08.24 | Tm_T | Kopete <3 |
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| 18:10.09 | nuxil | why doesnt kdetv have recording? |
| 18:10.42 | federico-II | humm - kopete is not as good yet |
| 18:10.50 | federico-II | not to say that gaim is good.... |
| 18:10.52 | federico-II | hum |
| 18:11.30 | federico-II | hey integrated it fairly well with the kicker systray , but not really with the net notification |
| 18:11.33 | SMiLeaf | federico-II: what's not good about it? |
| 18:11.41 | Alethes | how do you specify the URL for the custom browser in konversation? |
| 18:11.55 | federico-II | II have not used the latest version, so my comparison would be unfair |
| 18:12.06 | SMiLeaf | Alethes: by typing in the command of the custom browser? |
| 18:12.07 | federico-II | about gaim, the interface I have issues with |
| 18:12.21 | SMiLeaf | federico-II: with 3.5 anything gaim had over kopete is gone IMO. |
| 18:13.55 | Alethes | SMiLeaf: just specifying the browser doesn't actually load the page -- only the browser |
| 18:14.03 | Alethes | so I put in firefox, and it launches firefox, but no page loads |
| 18:14.12 | Alethes | that's why I'm asking if there's a variable to specify for the URL |
| 18:14.13 | SMiLeaf | Alethes: use %u for the url |
| 18:14.18 | Alethes | that's what I needed :) |
| 18:14.18 | Alethes | thanks |
| 18:14.30 | SMiLeaf | the default in mine is mozilla '%u' |
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| 18:15.20 | Alethes | whenever I click on a link in the topic in konversation, it adds another http:// and the link doesn't work |
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| 18:15.34 | Alethes | like the link for the KDE Faq |
| 18:16.06 | Alethes | An error occurred while loading http://http//docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/: |
| 18:16.06 | Alethes | Unknown host http |
| 18:16.16 | SMiLeaf | lol |
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| 18:16.40 | SMiLeaf | the link http://bugs.kde.org/ worked fine here |
| 18:16.49 | SMiLeaf | set mine to use firefox '%u' |
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| 18:16.55 | annma | Alethes: works for me |
| 18:16.57 | Alethes | it works ok within the channel text |
| 18:17.01 | Alethes | just not from the topic |
| 18:17.17 | gnd | is there a channel for kdm related problems? |
| 18:17.18 | Alethes | oh well |
| 18:17.38 | annma | Alethes: from topic it works for me |
| 18:17.50 | Alethes | annma: are you using konversation? |
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| 18:18.03 | annma | no, taht's why it works, Alethes |
| 18:18.06 | Alethes | :P |
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| 18:18.22 | annma | konversation adds a hhtp:// before the url |
| 18:18.28 | annma | http: |
| 18:18.39 | Alethes | whose bright idea was that? |
| 18:18.42 | SMiLeaf | lol |
| 18:19.06 | SMiLeaf | annma: this hasn't already been fixed has it? |
| 18:19.27 | annma | no idea, I don't follow konvi close |
| 18:19.32 | annma | as I don't use it |
| 18:19.43 | Alethes | I'm using 0.18 -- isn't that the latest? |
| 18:19.53 | SMiLeaf | Ah.. cuz I'm untaring it as we speek to look into this ;) |
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| 18:20.20 | mgorbach228 | Can someone please help? After some time using my session ... i get kdeinit hanging while starting new kde programs |
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| 18:22.53 | SMiLeaf | ahh .. found it :) |
| 18:23.03 | annma | SMiLeaf: found what? |
| 18:23.12 | SMiLeaf | where it adds the http :) |
| 18:23.17 | SMiLeaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.34 | annma | but taht should be OK |
| 18:23.50 | annma | except if the startsWith() methos is b0rked |
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| 18:24.08 | SMiLeaf | should .. ugly IMO. but should. |
| 18:25.18 | Alethes | it's not even really needed there |
| 18:25.26 | Alethes | konq will add it if needed, right? |
| 18:25.35 | nuxil | when is recording gonna be included in kdetv |
| 18:25.54 | thiago | mgorbach228: please clarify |
| 18:26.34 | mgorbach228 | well i will be working in kde3.5 for a while and it works great ... but then at some point i try to launch something like konqueror or kate and the new program wont launch |
| 18:26.43 | mgorbach228 | it will bounce around on the mouse for a while and then dissapear |
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| 18:26.48 | humboldt | If I use the commercial version of QT, can I create a proprietary/commercial KDE application? Is it alowed by KDE's license to link them from a commercial app? |
| 18:26.56 | mgorbach228 | the process kdeinit[kate] or whatever would still be running but in an S (sleep state) |
| 18:27.12 | mgorbach228 | after waiting for about 5 mintues .... it starts! |
| 18:27.13 | annma | humboldt: look at kde website there's a legal webpage |
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| 18:27.21 | Simkin | humboldt: qt yes. kde NO |
| 18:27.22 | SMiLeaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.28 | annma | mgorbach228: try a new user |
| 18:27.29 | mgorbach228 | this happens to all kde programs ... and does not happen to gtk apps (like ff and gimp) |
| 18:27.31 | SMiLeaf | better. |
| 18:27.39 | Simkin | humboldt: but you shouldn't be asking us. you should be reading the license agreements! |
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| 18:27.58 | mgorbach228 | could it be a corrupted profile of some kind? |
| 18:27.58 | annma | SMiLeaf: hmm what if it's ftp:// then? |
| 18:28.04 | mgorbach228 | this started happening to me only in kde 3.5 |
| 18:28.16 | humboldt | Simkin: So there will never ever be a KDE version of lets say Adobe Photoshop?! |
| 18:28.19 | annma | SMiLeaf: you'll end with http://ftp:// |
| 18:28.21 | hagabaka | i don't have that URL problem in Konversation... |
| 18:28.31 | annma | it is a setting I think |
| 18:28.38 | frb | the URL parsing has been fixed in SVN |
| 18:28.48 | frb | it's only an issue with 0.18 |
| 18:28.50 | SMiLeaf | annma: if it's ftp then they should add that. |
| 18:28.50 | annma | frb: after 3.5 release? |
| 18:28.55 | Simkin | humboldt: qt apps run in kde just fine |
| 18:28.57 | frb | annma: yeah, I asked this morning |
| 18:29.12 | annma | SMiLeaf: just look in websvn then to see the fix |
| 18:29.12 | Simkin | humboldt: and some of the kde libraries can be used in proprietary apps |
| 18:29.14 | SMiLeaf | it's better to assume http for a link than ftp.. then to try and guess everything. |
| 18:29.25 | Simkin | like safari uses the khtml engine for instance |
| 18:29.34 | thiago | humboldt: KDE libraries allow you to link closed-source programs without special licenses |
| 18:30.17 | thiago | humboldt: so, if you have a commercial Qt license, you can make closed-source KDE applications |
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| 18:31.23 | humboldt | thiago: I understand. But why do Ubuntu and SuSE base their desktop efforts on Gnome nowadays? I thought that is due to some licensing issues (well it can't be for a technoligy reason)? |
| 18:31.30 | frb | they don't |
| 18:31.33 | frb | SuSE uses KDE |
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| 18:31.38 | frb | Novell uses Gnome |
| 18:31.53 | frb | no mo fud man |
| 18:31.56 | humboldt | frb: Hihi, what is the difference? |
| 18:32.14 | frb | Novell makes a commercial distro aimed at corporate desktops |
| 18:32.24 | thiago | humboldt: SUSE does not base their efforts on GNOME |
| 18:32.24 | frb | Suse just makes a good linux distro for everyone |
| 18:32.30 | thiago | neither does Ubuntu anymore, for that matter |
| 18:32.32 | annma | nowadays for ubuntu is always |
| 18:32.44 | annma | ubuntu is fairly recent |
| 18:33.00 | annma | and besides there's KUbuntu |
| 18:33.03 | frb | Suse includes both very recent gnome and kde, and lets you choose |
| 18:33.20 | frb | Novell chose to favor the Ximian desktop because they own them and have more control over the patches |
| 18:33.37 | frb | (if I'm wrong, please correct me, my information is 2-3 years old) |
| 18:33.53 | mgorbach228 | annma: could my issue be a profie-related one? |
| 18:34.01 | thiago | frb: that might very well be true, but what we actually know is that both KDE and GNOME are available for NLD |
| 18:34.07 | mgorbach228 | is there any way i can debug this when it happens next time? some kind of a trace? |
| 18:34.09 | annma | mgorbach228: did you try a new user then? |
| 18:34.17 | thiago | frb: anything else is speculation on our part |
| 18:34.26 | x03n | can a bug be filed without the possibility of backtrace? |
| 18:34.29 | mgorbach228 | i will but it doesn't happen right away i have to work for a long time |
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| 18:34.34 | mgorbach228 | then it seems to happen |
| 18:34.39 | annma | x03n: tell how to reproduce please |
| 18:34.44 | thiago | see http://dot.kde.org/1131711558/ |
| 18:34.47 | thiago | x03n: yes |
| 18:34.51 | x03n | ok |
| 18:34.51 | thiago | x03n: backtraces only happen for crashes |
| 18:34.58 | thiago | and all crashes have backtraces |
| 18:34.59 | humboldt | Ok, let me rephrase, so you cant give me answers like politicians do anymore: When Novel and Ubuntu say, they are choosing Gnome for the Corporate Desktop for Licensing reasons, what is it, that makes the difference?! |
| 18:35.03 | annma | x03n: I have kde form svn, I can check |
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| 18:35.04 | mgorbach228 | I also found a very serious bug with proxy support |
| 18:35.10 | x03n | i get this error |
| 18:35.14 | annma | mgorbach228: report to bug database |
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| 18:35.20 | thiago | humboldt: when they say that, it'll mean they chose GNOME |
| 18:35.24 | thiago | humboldt: they have never said that |
| 18:35.42 | x03n | The Application Kde Panel (Kicker) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV). |
| 18:35.55 | annma | x03n: what kde version is it? |
| 18:35.59 | x03n | 3.5 |
| 18:35.59 | thiago | humboldt: see http://dot.kde.org/1131711558/ for an example of Novell Linux Desktop running KDE success story and http://dot.kde.org/1132031860/ for Ubuntu supporting KDE |
| 18:36.07 | thiago | x03n: are you logging out? |
| 18:36.10 | annma | x03n: what are youd oing when you get that? |
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| 18:36.25 | x03n | yes, when i go to log out |
| 18:36.31 | holycow | hi guys |
| 18:36.35 | humboldt | thiago: They said they choose GNOME as default and Novell was about to cut down the KDE team trastically until the users revolted. |
| 18:36.41 | Old--man | humboldt, The difference between Gnome and KDE licensing is in the widget library. The QT library that KDE uses is not GPL, Gnome's library is. (I forget the name of it) |
| 18:36.53 | thiago | Old--man: it's the other way around |
| 18:36.56 | thiago | Old--man: Qt is GPL, GTK is not |
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| 18:37.00 | holycow | oh sounds like you guys are talking about what i was about to ask about |
| 18:37.13 | Alethes | gtk uses lgpl |
| 18:37.24 | thiago | humboldt: Ubuntu had focused on making a good distro and started with GNOME. Now they're doing KDE too. |
| 18:37.33 | Old--man | thiago, Last I knew QT was not GPL'ed |
| 18:37.42 | holycow | http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2005-11-04-018-26-OP-SS-NV-0089 <-- interesting post |
| 18:37.45 | thiago | Old--man: when did you last check? 2001? |
| 18:37.46 | annma | Old--man: ???? |
| 18:37.53 | holycow | one of the things i never liked about kde is that it was monolithic |
| 18:37.56 | thiago | Old--man: Qt has been GPL'ed since 2.2 or something |
| 18:38.00 | annma | last you knew was long way |
| 18:38.07 | holycow | is kde4 architecture going to componetize the de down a lot more? |
| 18:38.09 | x03n | when I choose, Turn off computer |
| 18:38.11 | annma | monolithic? |
| 18:38.31 | thiago | humboldt: Novell never actually pulled KDE off. There was a big rumour that turned into a revolt (as you put it). |
| 18:38.31 | frb | mmm... plasma |
| 18:38.34 | holycow | annma, well its basically one large app, or rather 4 large components |
| 18:38.35 | annma | holycow: see qt4 |
| 18:38.43 | annma | versus qt3 |
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| 18:38.49 | thiago | humboldt: that said, it doesn't mean companies can't choose GNOME. |
| 18:38.52 | Old--man | Hey I'm Old, so I don't keep up on QT because I'm not a developer. I'm not young enough to know everything. |
| 18:38.57 | annma | and read kde mailing lists |
| 18:39.12 | thiago | humboldt: when that happens, I'm sure they have their reasons. One common one is the availability of C programmers in the company. |
| 18:39.18 | holycow | annma, i was hoping for a summary in plain english, i'm not exactly a programmer but i do care about architectural issues :) |
| 18:39.25 | thiago | humboldt: another is that the pusher (the person making it happen) is a GNOME user. |
| 18:39.29 | frb | Hey I'm old, I remember when arnt first started tolltech |
| 18:39.37 | annma | if you care you can read a bit and think by yourself |
| 18:39.46 | thiago | x03n: it's a known problem and we thought we had it fixed |
| 18:39.52 | thiago | x03n: your bug is already reported |
| 18:39.52 | annma | kde4 arch is being done so you can only read about ideas |
| 18:40.05 | x03n | thank you thiago |
| 18:40.06 | thiago | x03n: search bugs.kde.org for the bug with title "the logout crash", marked RESOLVED |
| 18:40.16 | x03n | yes i saw it earlier |
| 18:40.32 | holycow | annma, ah, then i guess i will be reading about speculation. alright no worries |
| 18:40.34 | holycow | thx |
| 18:40.47 | thiago | holycow: yes, we intend on componetising stuff a lot more in KDE 4 |
| 18:40.51 | annma | kde4 is a long way from today |
| 18:40.56 | Old--man | I just want to know why the Kmixer doesn't mute my sound output. That's what my problem is. :-) |
| 18:40.57 | x03n | it doesn't happen when I log out, but when I choose to turn off the computer |
| 18:41.02 | thiago | and, of course, if you go to #gnome, you'll get a completely different story :-P |
| 18:41.10 | holycow | lol indeed |
| 18:41.19 | thiago | x03n: you log out when you shut down |
| 18:41.21 | holycow | thiago, well that link i posted, that post made some excellent points |
| 18:41.25 | annma | Old--man: did you try another user? |
| 18:41.41 | x03n | thiago, sorry, I meant it doesn't happen when I end the current session |
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| 18:41.51 | holycow | i have been using gnome primarily because it was easier to learn and i didn't like the kde approach of develop stuff and throw it out there and see if it sticks |
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| 18:41.58 | Old--man | annma, There are no other users on this box except root. |
| 18:41.59 | humboldt | So what is it about the licensing issue again? KDE libs are LGPL, KDE apps are GPL, QT is GPL and available under commercial license, GTK is all lgpl but QT widgets are GPL and that means, commercial apps cant use them? |
| 18:42.06 | thiago | x03n: again, same thing :-) |
| 18:42.15 | x03n | ok |
| 18:42.23 | holycow | but architecturally, the kparts stuff is killer. the framework really is much better than gnome ... or rather its more mature probably for obvious reasons |
| 18:42.24 | annma | Old--man: create one and try |
| 18:42.40 | thiago | humboldt: let me try to be simple: commercial apps can use LGPL stuff and commercially-licensed stuff |
| 18:42.47 | holycow | i think it's time i come back to kde and take a look for my self |
| 18:42.55 | humboldt | thiago: I know that one |
| 18:43.18 | thiago | humboldt: so, if you want to develop an open source application, you can use Qt, KDELibs, GTK or GNOME's libraries |
| 18:43.24 | humboldt | But the KDE widgets are GPL not LGPL and that is the problem? |
| 18:43.24 | Old--man | annma, Do you think it's a rights issue? Or what? I'm not sure what that would eliminate. |
| 18:43.26 | thiago | humboldt: you can also reuse code from KDE and GNOME applications. |
| 18:43.38 | annma | Old--man: did you have a previous kde version for that user/ |
| 18:43.46 | holycow | qt is gpld now on windows too as well right? |
| 18:43.49 | annma | Old--man: I think it's a config file issue |
| 18:43.54 | thiago | humboldt: if you want to develop a closed-source application, you can use GTK and GNOME libraries, the KDE Libraries, but you have to buy a license from Trolltech for Qt. |
| 18:43.59 | Old--man | annma, No, this is a fresh load of Suse 9.3. |
| 18:44.02 | thiago | humboldt: you cannot reuse code from any application |
| 18:44.05 | Old--man | It's all of about 2 weeks old |
| 18:44.11 | thiago | humboldt: does that clarify? |
| 18:44.18 | x03n | thiago, so a new bug needs to be filed, or can it be re-opened? |
| 18:44.21 | annma | Old--man: and it never worked? |
| 18:44.22 | thiago | holycow: right |
| 18:44.27 | Maneit | Hi. I'm getting errors when trying to compile KOffice with Konstruct (KDE3.5): http://phpfi.com/89747 <- does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 18:44.29 | thiago | x03n: it should be reopened |
| 18:44.34 | thiago | aseigo: ping |
| 18:44.36 | x03n | ok |
| 18:44.42 | Old--man | annma, Well it hasn't since I tried it. It doesn't work on my coworkers computer either. |
| 18:44.52 | aseigo | thiago: |
| 18:44.53 | aseigo | thiago: pong |
| 18:44.54 | annma | Old--man: suse as well? |
| 18:45.08 | Old--man | annma, Yes, same install CD's |
| 18:45.16 | annma | Old--man: seems a suse issue |
| 18:45.17 | thiago | aseigo: we're getting reports of "the logout crash" still happening |
| 18:45.26 | thiago | aseigo: have you got a chance to take a look? |
| 18:45.29 | humboldt | thiago: does clarify. so the great deal is that companies would have to by a qt license. It is not a licensing issue with kdelibs but with qt. |
| 18:45.37 | Old--man | annma, Same hardware even. Dell Precision 670's |
| 18:45.45 | thiago | humboldt: right |
| 18:45.46 | benJIman|tov | Old--man: what's the problem? |
| 18:45.48 | humboldt | it is just about the few bucks for qt license |
| 18:45.49 | raden | is there a trick to get k3b to recognize my dvdrecorder on /dev/dvdrecorder |
| 18:46.05 | Old--man | benJIman|tov, With Kmixer "mute" doesn't mute |
| 18:46.11 | annma | Old--man: what did you have previously as OS on that machine? |
| 18:46.17 | Old--man | XP pro |
| 18:46.20 | humboldt | and the fact that gnome is c and kde is c++ and there are more c guys than c++ guys has some effect to?! |
| 18:46.22 | thiago | humboldt: the usual argument is "the license is expensive" vs "the license more than pays in productivity and helps keep Qt maintained" |
| 18:46.23 | benJIman|tov | Old--man: does it change volume at all? |
| 18:46.27 | annma | did it mute then? |
| 18:46.33 | aseigo | thiago: no, i haven't. at what point did you package 3.5? did you, for instance, get the kdirlister change i committed? |
| 18:46.34 | thiago | humboldt: I don't have to tell you I'm biased |
| 18:46.36 | Old--man | benJIman|tov, Yes, and annma Yes |
| 18:46.43 | aseigo | thiago: and for that matter, do you have backtraces? |
| 18:46.48 | thiago | aseigo: I didn't package :-P That was coolo. |
| 18:46.49 | aseigo | thiago: pls email me.. about to go back into meetings |
| 18:46.50 | Old--man | It just doesn't mute |
| 18:47.11 | thiago | aseigo: I closed as duplicate one bug report today of 3.5.0 that mached "the logout crash" backtrace |
| 18:47.22 | thiago | aseigo: I'll see if it got the fix |
| 18:47.24 | benJIman|tov | Old--man: does it mute if you set master and pcm volumes to 0 |
| 18:47.45 | thiago | humboldt: the language may also be an issue |
| 18:47.46 | toddf | let me guess, the 'search' addition to the 'location toolbar' is in the kdeutils programs .. |
| 18:47.49 | Old--man | benJIman|tov, Sure if I turn the volume all the way down it's quiet |
| 18:47.56 | benJIman|tov | odd |
| 18:48.02 | thiago | humboldt: again, I'm biased: I started off as a C programmer, but I came to see the light :-P |
| 18:48.04 | Old--man | I concur |
| 18:48.18 | humboldt | thiago: So there is not big big issue, that will certainly lead into KDE being wiped off the ground?! |
| 18:48.33 | benJIman|tov | Old--man: interesting, here if I set the volumes to both 0 I can still barely hear it, mute mutes completely though |
| 18:48.38 | holycow | allright time to login to kde |
| 18:48.41 | holycow | >_< |
| 18:48.49 | Old--man | benJIman|tov, Let me try it. |
| 18:49.51 | Old--man | Ok, at 0 volume I think it's still giving a little output, but my office is kind of noisy, so I'm not sure. |
| 18:50.14 | benJIman|tov | it might be a quirk with your sound card possibly |
| 18:50.22 | Old--man | I suppose. |
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| 18:50.40 | humboldt | What is the actual difference between C and C++? C++ is C with a big class library you can use? |
| 18:50.59 | Maneit | C++ is also oo |
| 18:51.18 | Simkin | c++ takes longer to compile too :) |
| 18:51.18 | humboldt | C is not opject oriented? |
| 18:51.21 | Simkin | c is not object orientated at all |
| 18:51.21 | Maneit | not afaik |
| 18:51.23 | toddf | hmm, searchproviders is part of kdebase .. hmm .. *scratches head ..* |
| 18:51.27 | humboldt | c sucks |
| 18:51.40 | Simkin | depends on what you want out of your language humboldt |
| 18:51.45 | Maneit | C doesnt suck. It's usefull for some cases |
| 18:52.09 | aseigo | thiago: ah.. yes, i saw that one. |
| 18:52.22 | Old--man | Saying a language sucks is like saying "ripping hammers suck" because you like ball-peen hammers. |
| 18:52.29 | Old--man | Every tool has it's proper use. |
| 18:52.46 | aseigo | thiago: i really don't see how that bt can happen with the 3.5.0 packages |
| 18:53.03 | Old--man | Some tools get superseded by newer, but that doesn't make them less useful, just less efficient. |
| 18:53.05 | humboldt | yes, I just wanted to be a little uncorrect politically |
| 18:53.45 | Old--man | Funny just sounded like a broad generalization bordering on zealotry to me. :-) |
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| 18:54.17 | humboldt | Thanks for the conversation! I need to go for a walk. See some light. Have a good one you all! |
| 18:54.19 | thiago | humboldt: to put it in plain terms, C++ adds a flexible object-oriented framework on top of C, without mandating any base object hierarchy (unlike Java, where everything derives from java.lang.Object) |
| 18:54.22 | Old--man | Maybe I'll buy Suse 10 and use my install support to get this working. |
| 18:54.32 | SMiLeaf | light? :S |
| 18:54.35 | thiago | humboldt: it also adds operator overloading and function overloading, as well as templates |
| 18:54.47 | humboldt | thiago: I see |
| 18:54.48 | Simkin | Old--man: bleck |
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| 18:54.56 | Simkin | Old--man: why not get ubuntu/kubuntu |
| 18:54.56 | thiago | humboldt: C++ compilers also give you the Standard Template Library (STL) and the standard io library (iostream) |
| 18:55.07 | humboldt | thiago: What is your prefered language after all? |
| 18:55.13 | SMiLeaf | hmm... that actually doesn't sound like a bad idea.. need to shovel the driveway :/ |
| 18:55.14 | Old--man | Simkin, Because I like Suse |
| 18:55.25 | Simkin | Old--man: what do you like about it? |
| 18:55.44 | humboldt | SMiLeaf: no snow in Quebec anymore. |
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| 18:55.45 | Divide | once again: anyone has any idea why would kbuildsycoca trigger on starting mplayer? |
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| 18:55.54 | SMiLeaf | humboldt: snow in Iowa :/ |
| 18:55.58 | humboldt | SMiLeaf: but sunnlight |
| 18:56.02 | Old--man | Simkin, It works well with my Novell products and my Netware/OES servers |
| 18:56.11 | humboldt | see ya |
| 18:56.17 | SMiLeaf | humboldt: cya :) |
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| 18:56.24 | Simkin | Old--man: oh!! |
| 18:56.32 | Simkin | Old--man: i guess that is a great reason then :) |
| 18:56.32 | thiago | humboldt: C++ |
| 18:56.33 | Simkin | novell++ |
| 18:56.48 | Old--man | Thank you. |
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| 18:57.05 | aseigo | thiago: interestingly, in that BT, it isn't deleting a 0 object (which was the previous crash) |
| 18:57.26 | Old--man | We're a long-time Novell shop, and dabbling with Suse on the desktop. |
| 18:57.27 | release_dude_ | hi guys |
| 18:57.35 | aseigo | thiago: it COULD be a side effect of the fix i made which is in theory not 100% safe (though in practical situations it shoudl be) |
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| 18:58.16 | aseigo | thiago: oh wait.. those are function addresses in the libs. not the objects. hm.. i'll go back to asserting that they didn't package the kdirlister change =) |
| 18:58.24 | aseigo | thiago: and there's not much i can do about that? |
| 18:58.30 | aseigo | Old--man: welcome =) |
| 18:59.01 | thiago | aseigo: I'm taking a look now to see if your change was packaged |
| 18:59.50 | aseigo | Old--man: if you have questions, feel free to ask here. there's also a good community at opensuse.org and KDE has the kde@kde.org mailing list for users to discuss |
| 19:01.11 | Old--man | aseigo, We've basically decided my problem is just really odd and no one knows why my mute doesn't work. |
| 19:01.37 | release_dude_ | no questions right now, just a happy KDE user |
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| 19:01.48 | aseigo | Old--man: ah.. multimedia keyboard? yeah, those are soptty |
| 19:01.57 | Old--man | I should probably post to the suse news group but I haven't |
| 19:02.14 | Old--man | Even if I just click "mute" on the kmixer it doesn't mute. |
| 19:02.29 | aseigo | Old--man: oh, i see.. mixer issue. what sound card? |
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| 19:02.51 | Julianyus | hi |
| 19:02.53 | Old--man | That's the real oddity, the keyboard mute does activate "mute", but it doesn't DO anything. |
| 19:03.04 | Old--man | Let me see <checking> |
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| 19:03.23 | aseigo | Old--man: so it's a hardware mixer issue. |
| 19:03.52 | Old--man | I hate to even say this, but it does work in windows, so maybe it mis-identified my sound card when I installed. |
| 19:03.56 | thiago | aseigo: the fix is not packaged |
| 19:04.05 | aseigo | thiago: bingo. *sigh* |
| 19:04.13 | thiago | aseigo: it was reverted both in the branch and in the release |
| 19:04.21 | aseigo | thiago: in SVN? |
| 19:04.24 | thiago | yes |
| 19:04.39 | aseigo | fucking hell |
| 19:04.42 | thiago | see 481751 and 482140 |
| 19:04.47 | Old--man | aseigo |
| 19:05.16 | Old--man | aseigo, Sorry about that, Suse detects it as a SB audigy |
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| 19:05.47 | Old--man | I'm still waiting on Dell's site to see what it actually is, but that sounds right. |
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| 19:06.49 | MrB | lo |
| 19:06.49 | Oleg_ | thiago: Hi, how are you? |
| 19:06.49 | aseigo | Old--man: it could just be a driver problem.. |
| 19:06.49 | aseigo | Old--man: e.g. right driver, but it has an issue with that specific board |
| 19:06.49 | MrB | annma: ping |
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| 19:06.57 | thiago | Oleg_: hi, I'm fine |
| 19:07.43 | Old--man | The tech part description lists it as a SB0353 |
| 19:07.44 | annma | MrB: pong |
| 19:07.49 | Oleg_ | thiago: I see you are not away at this 2 o'clock hour. You don't have to work today? |
| 19:07.51 | MrB | any1 know what else needs to be built with debug on. I have kdelibs and kmail, kontact, kdepim-kioslaves etc, but kmail crashing still doesnt give me a trace |
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| 19:08.02 | thiago | Oleg_: I am at work |
| 19:08.26 | annma | MrB: did you build with --enable-debug=full? |
| 19:08.47 | Old--man | aseigo, According to this it's a Soundblaster audigy 2 ZS |
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| 19:09.19 | MrB | [Thu Dec 1 2005] [17:16:04] <MrB> well im just setting debug use flag in gentoo for it.. |
| 19:09.19 | MrB | [Thu Dec 1 2005] [17:16:42] <MrB> --enable-debug=full --with-debug has been set tho |
| 19:09.58 | annma | MrB: to all packages? |
| 19:10.10 | MrB | those ones ive mentioned above |
| 19:10.32 | annma | type kdeug dialog in konsole |
| 19:10.36 | annma | type |
| 19:10.40 | annma | kdebugdialog |
| 19:10.47 | annma | in konsole |
| 19:10.50 | MrB | ok |
| 19:11.01 | annma | what is checked here |
| 19:11.16 | MrB | err, various things.. quite a few |
| 19:11.26 | Old--man | aseigo, I'm heading out to lunch, thanks for the help |
| 19:11.59 | MrB | a larger % would be ticked, is there one i should make sure is ticked, or tick all? |
| 19:12.12 | MrB | kmail is ticked |
| 19:12.29 | annma | generic? |
| 19:12.32 | MrB | kio_imap is |
| 19:12.33 | MrB | erm |
| 19:12.44 | MrB | yes generic is |
| 19:15.15 | annma | check all to see |
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| 19:15.55 | MrB | [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] |
| 19:15.59 | MrB | [New Thread 16384 (LWP 9301)] |
| 19:16.02 | annma | NO |
| 19:16.03 | MrB | 0xb60112c8 in waitpid () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 |
| 19:16.07 | annma | don't paste here |
| 19:16.07 | MrB | #0 0xb60112c8 in waitpid () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 |
| 19:16.10 | annma | NO |
| 19:16.11 | MrB | #1 0xb6d709cc in ?? () from /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkdecore.so.4 |
| 19:16.12 | annma | stop |
| 19:16.15 | MrB | #2 0xb6c917c6 in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler () |
| 19:16.19 | MrB | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.20 | MrB | #3 0x00002455 in ?? () |
| 19:16.20 | MrB | #4 0x00000008 in ?? () |
| 19:16.20 | MrB | #5 0xb600e88b in __pthread_alt_unlock () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 |
| 19:16.20 | MrB | alirhgt |
| 19:16.20 | MrB | settle down |
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| 19:16.47 | annma | you stopped in time |
| 19:17.06 | aseigo | MrB: please use pastebin.com for such things in the future, thank you |
| 19:17.22 | MrB | yes alright |
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| 19:18.59 | MrB | would i need to build qt with debug on too? |
| 19:19.21 | aseigo | MrB: shouldn't need it |
| 19:19.25 | MrB | http://rafb.net/paste/results/03R7KQ91.html |
| 19:19.38 | MrB | i get that when i hit control J to filter a msg |
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| 19:21.08 | annma | in kmail? ou hit ctrl j? |
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| 19:21.57 | MrB | kontact |
| 19:22.02 | annma | kmail |
| 19:22.06 | annma | in a folder |
| 19:22.09 | MrB | yes |
| 19:22.12 | MrB | with one mail selected |
| 19:22.16 | annma | but it works here |
| 19:22.24 | annma | doe snot crash |
| 19:22.26 | MrB | in an imap folder located on a local courier server |
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| 19:22.34 | annma | I don't have that |
| 19:22.39 | annma | report then |
| 19:22.49 | pinotree | ~b.k.o. |
| 19:22.52 | apt | b.k.o is, like, http://bugs.kde.org, where you can report bugs in KDE, or request features you'd like to see in future versions. Make sure to check that your bug hasn't already been reported |
| 19:22.56 | Griz | I suddenly find that Konq (as web browser) no longer can render pictures. Is this a known issue? and if not, which packages should I start rebuilding first? |
| 19:23.07 | MrB | annma: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116876 might be related |
| 19:23.22 | MrB | annma: kmail is basically unusable with imap :S |
| 19:23.32 | MrB | 3.4.3 was fine |
| 19:23.42 | annma | weird that it regressed |
| 19:23.42 | MrB | 3.5.0 is useless unfortunately |
| 19:24.04 | annma | vote for the bug and add your bt |
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| 19:28.17 | MrB | annma: i get it when filtering, checking new mail, various other times. I turned of auto mail checking to see what that would do, and it allowed me to at least get all the mail into the IMAP server from local folders, at least now I can use thunderbird to read and send mail |
| 19:28.23 | Griz | I suddenly find that Konq (as web browser) no longer can render pictures. Is this a known issue? and if not, which packages should I start rebuilding first? |
| 19:28.47 | annma | MrB: add all that on the bug report |
| 19:29.04 | annma | MrB: I cannot check I dont use imap |
| 19:29.17 | annma | Griz: suddenly? |
| 19:29.17 | MrB | yeah, understand |
| 19:29.30 | annma | Griz: you upgraded? |
| 19:29.43 | Griz | annma<- Yeah, yesterday I noticed that the GOOGLE logo wasn't displayed. |
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| 19:30.23 | annma | Griz: and before yesterday? |
| 19:30.25 | Griz | andre<- I created a new (bogus) account on the machine (to not use MY setting and start fresh) and it acts the same there. |
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| 19:30.32 | Griz | Blast! |
| 19:30.42 | Griz | annma<- <- I created a new (bogus) account on the machine (to not use MY setting and start fresh) and it acts the same there. |
| 19:30.45 | annma | did you upgrade yesterday? |
| 19:30.50 | Griz | annma<- It worked fine. |
| 19:31.06 | Griz | annma<- I do a couple of times a week. Running stable |
| 19:31.14 | annma | what did you install/uninstall yesterday? |
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| 19:32.00 | MrB | annma: oh well, thanks. I'll see if anyone responds and hope for the best. |
| 19:32.13 | annma | you updated bug report? |
| 19:32.15 | Griz | annma<- Yesterday the only thing I recall is the manpages, which isn't a real likely culprit. |
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| 19:32.44 | MrB | annma: of course |
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| 19:33.34 | annma | Griz: if a new user does not work it looks bad |
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| 19:34.22 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 19:34.27 | _sho_ | how can i change my fixed-width font |
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| 19:34.36 | MrB | bbl |
| 19:34.42 | elvirolo | many entries are missing in my menu ... why is that ? (i use debian sid) |
| 19:34.51 | _sho_ | i want to use koi8-t |
| 19:35.02 | Griz | annma<- Yeah, that's sorta what I was figuring. I guess I'll just start a rebuild on kdebase and let it rip. |
| 19:35.05 | Griz | (sigh) |
| 19:35.18 | Griz | Thank the gods (and gentoo) for Distcc !! |
| 19:35.55 | annma | gentoo uh |
| 19:36.13 | annma | rebuild kdelibs and kdebase |
| 19:36.14 | _sho_ | i dont have the option of choosing any of the fonts available for fixed width other then the defaults |
| 19:36.58 | elvirolo | ideas anyone ? |
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| 19:38.48 | Griz | annma<- Why libs? (if you don't mind my askin' ) |
| 19:38.48 | Griz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:41.51 | redeeman | hello |
| 19:42.00 | redeeman | with kde 3.5, will kde sounds work if i disable arts? |
| 19:42.03 | redeeman | i mean, now it has akode |
| 19:42.19 | annma | how did you install kde 3.5? |
| 19:42.46 | annma | redeeman: ^^ |
| 19:42.46 | redeeman | well im gonna compile |
| 19:42.48 | redeeman | so im wondering |
| 19:42.58 | annma | you're gonna compile what exactly? |
| 19:43.03 | redeeman | all of kde 3.5 |
| 19:43.08 | annma | from where??? |
| 19:43.14 | redeeman | from the tarballs |
| 19:43.22 | annma | well the tarballs have no akode |
| 19:43.32 | annma | akode is in kdesupport which is not a tarball |
| 19:43.33 | redeeman | akode is a seperate one |
| 19:43.37 | annma | where? |
| 19:43.46 | redeeman | gentoo has it in it's repo |
| 19:44.06 | annma | so why do say tarballs if it's gentoo? |
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| 19:44.25 | redeeman | annma: because gentoo downloads the tarballs for me |
| 19:44.28 | annma | it's not the same |
| 19:44.32 | redeeman | either way |
| 19:44.38 | annma | no, not either way |
| 19:44.40 | redeeman | do i need arts for the kde sounds to work? |
| 19:44.47 | annma | from kde tarballs you would have an akode peoblem |
| 19:44.54 | annma | define kde sound |
| 19:45.01 | redeeman | notification sounds and stuff |
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| 19:45.12 | redeeman | as in kopete can make noise when something happens |
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| 19:45.22 | annma | notifications |
| 19:45.43 | annma | I thnk you need to compile arts |
| 19:45.47 | redeeman | okay |
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| 19:45.50 | redeeman | that's all i need to know |
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| 19:46.00 | annma | but then you can not enable it and get notifications with ogg123 |
| 19:46.24 | redeeman | i can do that now? |
| 19:46.32 | Griz | annma<- Thank You for the assist. I'm back to werk. Have a GrandDay! |
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| 19:47.05 | New0rder | http://pastebin.com/445281 kde 3.5 compile error |
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| 19:51.01 | annma | New0rder: you got your sourecs from kde ftp? |
| 19:51.14 | annma | gentoo! |
| 19:51.19 | annma | ask in #gentoo please |
| 19:51.20 | New0rder | gentoo |
| 19:51.27 | New0rder | ok |
| 19:51.41 | annma | you should read: |
| 19:51.43 | annma | i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus) |
| 19:51.43 | annma | Please submit a full bug report. |
| 19:51.44 | annma | See <URL:http://bugs.gentoo.org/> for instructions. |
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| 19:51.53 | annma | this is not kde at all |
| 19:52.05 | New0rder | Sorry, I didn't notice I was in kde :) |
| 19:52.55 | SMiLeaf | KURL url("google.com"); url.prettyUrl(); <-- returns nothing? |
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| 19:53.25 | _sho_ | does anyone know how to add fixed width fonts |
| 19:53.40 | _sho_ | i cant get konsole to use any fonts other than the defaults |
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| 19:54.51 | Julianyus | someone knows where can i find info about XMLHttpRequest(); and konqueror ? |
| 19:55.21 | annma | in code? |
| 19:55.27 | annma | or in doc? |
| 19:55.58 | Julianyus | i have some javascript code that works in firefox and explorer, and i'm trying to find why fails in konqueror |
| 19:56.28 | annma | look in the code then |
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| 19:57.10 | Julianyus | sorry, i don't understand you |
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| 19:58.55 | annma | look in konqueror code |
| 19:59.10 | annma | not sure what you want to do |
| 20:00.01 | Julianyus | i want to load an xml file and parse it using javascript |
| 20:00.38 | Sho_ | using the quirksmode.org code? |
| 20:02.02 | Julianyus | Sho_: i don't know what it is |
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| 20:02.21 | Sho_ | Julianyus: http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/importxml.html <- thought you might be using this since it's quite popular |
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| 20:06.25 | Julianyus | Sho_: what i am doing is similar but not the same |
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| 20:07.42 | Julianyus | Sho_: these code should work with konqueror? |
| 20:07.45 | _sho_ | im going to guess nobody here works with anything thats not the plain old western character sets |
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| 20:08.49 | Sho_ | Julianyus: Possibly, since it's popular bugs with it would have likely been reported to the point of a fix appearing ;) |
| 20:08.54 | frb | my konsole displays korean just fine |
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| 20:09.00 | SMiLeaf | heh.. if you set the protocol is clears the url (using KURL) .. |
| 20:09.14 | SMiLeaf | s/is/it/ |
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| 20:09.31 | Sho_ | _sho_: Use the Font Installer in KControl (under "System Administration") to install fonts |
| 20:09.46 | Sho_ | (no, I'm not talking with myself ..) |
| 20:10.37 | _sho_ | Sho_ : doesnt work. i cant get a fixed-width font in there |
| 20:10.40 | _sho_ | which is my problem |
| 20:10.58 | _sho_ | hell, i cant even find where fixed-width fonts get installed |
| 20:11.01 | Sho_ | curious ... I had no problem installing my favorite fixed width font (Andale Mono) that way and subsequently selecting it in Konsole |
| 20:11.43 | Old--man | Non technical question: Anyone use Kmymoney, and if so how do you like it? |
| 20:11.52 | _sho_ | Sho_ where did you install it |
| 20:12.07 | Sho_ | _sho_: Using the Font Installer in KControl -> System Administration |
| 20:12.11 | _sho_ | ive got the font installer open in administrator mode right now, and see no place for it |
| 20:12.18 | Sho_ | _sho_: I clicked "Add fonts", selected the file, .. |
| 20:12.30 | _sho_ | which is what ive done. |
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| 20:13.20 | Sho_ | _sho_: I'm not an expert in this, but I speculate with some crappy distros one might have to do a X server restart ... I'm not sure how the entire font serving / new fonts propagation works |
| 20:13.28 | _sho_ | Sho_ : what is your Andale font |
| 20:13.32 | _sho_ | a tt? bdf? |
| 20:13.39 | Sho_ | _sho_: It's a TrueType fixed-width font by AGFA Monotype |
| 20:13.43 | Sho_ | ttf |
| 20:14.09 | _sho_ | mines fixed-width ttf as well |
| 20:14.35 | _sho_ | shit, i cant even find the list of fonts thats in konsole as is |
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| 20:17.16 | jester | does anyone have problem with kde 3.4.1 taskbar tooltips???? sometimes only a small square is displayed! |
| 20:18.27 | jester | always in minimized windows. most of the time only a small square is shown instead of the normal tooltip. maximize then minimize again fixes it but still it's really annoying |
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| 20:22.05 | azi_ | hey,i've just installed the new kde version, BUT the fonts seems flossy, can you advice me an nice font to install ? |
| 20:22.10 | _Roey | administrateur: :) |
| 20:22.17 | _Roey | administrateur: that like a network janiteur ? |
| 20:22.43 | dinolinux_ | azi_ antialiasing? |
| 20:23.03 | sysadmin40 | yeah sysadmin40 is more fun |
| 20:23.23 | azi_ | dinolinux_, anti aliasing is enabled |
| 20:23.35 | sysadmin40 | how long to wait for kde 4 ? |
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| 20:25.13 | PhilRod | azi_: get the webfonts. They'll probably have something you like. |
| 20:25.17 | PhilRod | sysadmin40: at least a year |
| 20:25.35 | sysadmin40 | ah it's long to wait lol |
| 20:25.42 | thiago | sysadmin40: a year to a year and a half |
| 20:25.58 | sysadmin40 | i will install kde 3.5 now |
| 20:25.59 | fransemail | hello to everybody! |
| 20:26.23 | frb | is it possible to change the X colors konsole uses to render ANSI sequences? |
| 20:26.27 | PhilRod | hi fransemail |
| 20:27.09 | sredna | Man, sometimes unsermake sucks ! |
| 20:27.23 | fransemail | I've installed last KDE 3.5 from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org. This repository seems update kdelibs2c into kdelibs2ca. As results synaptic had removed all applications that need old kdelibs2c. To install some other packages, i.e. kde-i18n, I extract control file with 'ar' and manually changed dependency. |
| 20:27.46 | fransemail | is there any way to change this dependency for all packages, i.e. kdepim, kdesdk and so on? |
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| 20:28.27 | _guenther | list |
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| 20:28.45 | sredna | fransemail: Wrong channel, try #debian or #debian-kde |
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| 20:29.36 | fransemail | sredna, ok sredna, thanks anyway |
| 20:29.51 | sredna | fransemail: Jsut they probably knows that stuff better :) |
| 20:29.54 | sredna | Just |
| 20:30.11 | azi_ | is there anyone here that can convert me an doc file to a pdf one ? i'm emerging openoffice and it i'll take too much time :\ |
| 20:30.21 | fransemail | sredna, I try to ask them |
| 20:30.36 | sredna | azi_: Open it with kword and print it to the pdf printer |
| 20:30.39 | fransemail | thanks for your help. see you |
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| 20:30.48 | azi_ | sredna, no kword here ;( |
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| 20:31.01 | sredna | azi_: As someone to do it |
| 20:31.02 | PhilRod | azi_: use antiword |
| 20:31.04 | sredna | Ask |
| 20:31.07 | azi_ | i've just installed my system |
| 20:31.16 | PhilRod | (...or a proper distribution, but let's not go there) |
| 20:31.20 | azi_ | and i don't have all the requried packages yet |
| 20:31.30 | azi_ | yeah, no flame wars ;-) |
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| 20:33.17 | Old--man | Non technical question: Anyone use Kmymoney, and if so how do you like it? |
| 20:33.53 | DaBlade | Hey |
| 20:33.59 | DaBlade | Are there any KDE 3.5 debs out yet? |
| 20:33.59 | david | hi |
| 20:34.15 | DaBlade | hi |
| 20:34.19 | DaBlade | ^^^ |
| 20:35.56 | david | Kde 3.5 is supposed to automatically recognize my usb-stick, right? I think I have now the correct hal&dbus versions installed and running. (the kde mediamanager is running and shows my devices including floppy and cdrom) but the usb stick isnt added in the media:/ list when I plug it in. How could I possible see where it fails? (/var/log/messages shows that a new scsi device was registered at /dev/sdc) |
| 20:36.26 | sredna | The media:/ thingy is highly questionable |
| 20:36.28 | benJIman|tov | david: what distro? |
| 20:36.32 | sredna | It may or may not work |
| 20:36.32 | david | gentoo |
| 20:36.35 | DaBlade | david: Perhaps the modules for your particular USB stick isn't loaded or installed |
| 20:36.43 | benJIman|tov | sredna: works fine if it's set up correctly, which is a packaging thing realy |
| 20:36.49 | DaBlade | sredna: Are there any 3.5 debs out yet? |
| 20:36.57 | sredna | DaBlade: I dont' know |
| 20:36.57 | david | DaBlade: its a normal usb stick and I think I have usb mass storage in the kernel |
| 20:37.11 | sredna | DaBlade: Why not try asking in #debian or #debian-kde |
| 20:37.12 | sredna | ? |
| 20:37.21 | DaBlade | I'd get kicked out |
| 20:37.23 | DaBlade | I don't use Debian |
| 20:37.25 | sredna | benJIman|tov: Really? And where are the instructions? |
| 20:37.28 | DaBlade | but SimplyMEPIS |
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| 20:37.41 | DaBlade | But Simply uses Debian's repositories and packages |
| 20:37.58 | david | media:/ works fine with my cdrom, just not with the stick (which worked before some time ago with a beta of 3.5 iirc) |
| 20:38.12 | jgar | Is kmail ever going to be capable of adding backgrounds to E-Mails? |
| 20:38.13 | benJIman|tov | sredna: if you have hal and dbus set up properly then as long as the kde build scripts find them then it'll work |
| 20:38.51 | david | benJIman|tov: you mean I might have to remerge kioslaves to make it work after I installed the correct dbus and hal versions? |
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| 20:39.03 | sredna | benJIman|tov: Because I'm really interrested. On my system, some of my harddisk partitions are found, and my usb stick if I plug it in, but not my mass-storage camera. And it never found out about my two cdrom devices |
| 20:39.05 | jgar | Or, is it possible to add backgrounds to E-Mails using Kmail? |
| 20:39.20 | jgar | Because I can't find out how |
| 20:39.28 | benJIman|tov | jgar: email is plain text |
| 20:39.32 | benJIman|tov | how can you add backgrounds |
| 20:39.38 | sredna | jgar: That is not possible at this time |
| 20:39.45 | benJIman|tov | unless you use html email which is evil |
| 20:39.50 | jgar | Well, i mean HTML E-Mailss |
| 20:40.27 | cpw | my work requires html email |
| 20:40.28 | jgar | Since I installed Linux to my mother I only hear her complain about not being able to put backgrounds on E-Mails |
| 20:40.32 | sredna | Not images either, the stubbard kdepim folks won't even realize that it's common to have HTML images in multipart/mixed emails |
| 20:40.32 | cpw | I don't really have much of a choice |
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| 20:40.57 | jgar | Why don't they do it optional? |
| 20:40.57 | PhilRod | cpw: but it's still evil, even if a necessary (well, actually, required) evil :-) |
| 20:41.13 | cpw | so is word docs, but we can't get away from that |
| 20:41.16 | jgar | I mean for security freaks, then can disable this stuff |
| 20:41.31 | jgar | I think it should be all about choices on opensource |
| 20:41.34 | sredna | benJIman|tov: Where are the instructions for setting up the media:/ thing again? |
| 20:41.45 | benJIman|tov | jgar: you send an email with background anyone who does't have html email client won't be able to read it |
| 20:41.54 | sredna | (the kde wiki page does not contain them, at least only partially) |
| 20:41.55 | benJIman|tov | sredna: depends on your distro |
| 20:42.26 | jgar | Well, that's the thing, most normal users do have html capable e-mail readers and if not, they can still see the message. |
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| 20:43.18 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> That is not the point, the point is, that a lot of people like this features, like my mother. To be sincere I don't give a damn, but she is always saying that Windows was nicer |
| 20:43.29 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> That she could do more stuff there |
| 20:43.38 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> And I hate that!! |
| 20:43.56 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> I think it should be optional |
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| 20:44.20 | jester | anyone had any trouble with empty tooltips in kde 3.4.1???? i am using gentoo and i have this problem with minimized windows |
| 20:44.35 | benJIman|tov | jgar: you can write html email manually of course, don't want to encourage people to send it |
| 20:44.43 | jgar | I really don't think adding images and backgrounds will be so difficult for the developers. Saddly I can't program my self |
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| 20:45.53 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> But why? I mean with Evolution you can, and i'm really thinking on installing Evolution for my mother, but her computer is too slow and Evolution is more heavy. |
| 20:45.57 | PhilRod | it's hardly a priority feature though |
| 20:46.14 | PhilRod | and there are very few people working on kmail, IIRC |
| 20:46.20 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> You can also do it with Thunderbird. |
| 20:47.02 | thiago | jgar: not only does KMail not allow you to set the background, it also ignores backgrounds for received emails |
| 20:47.15 | thiago | you're not allowed to touch backgrounds by a design decision |
| 20:47.16 | PhilRod | so use thunderbird. No one's stopping you if it has the features you want |
| 20:47.20 | SMiLeaf | wow... you know the hot chocolate is really hot.. when the miniature marshmellows denigrate in seconds... |
| 20:47.39 | aseigo | jester: you mean in the taskbar? |
| 20:47.41 | benJIman|tov | you can allow html email as a setting for displaying messages, it's off by default though as it should be |
| 20:47.47 | aseigo | jester: if so, yes, this is known issue.. and i think i fixed it for 3.5 |
| 20:47.49 | SMiLeaf | disintegrate* |
| 20:47.57 | jester | aseigo, yes |
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| 20:48.09 | PhilRod | SMiLeaf: heh, I was wondering if anyone would notice that one :-) |
| 20:48.10 | jgar | I think all this crazy stuff about not fulling up the network with HTML E-mail has become irrelevant since bittorrent is being used. |
| 20:48.27 | benJIman|tov | jgar: it's not about filling up the network |
| 20:48.33 | SMiLeaf | PhilRod: what my bad spelling? |
| 20:48.33 | jgar | thiago:-> Thunderbird is not so well integrated to KDE |
| 20:48.33 | jester | is there a fix for kde 3.4.1? can you point me to the bug # in the bug database? |
| 20:48.40 | thiago | jgar: right, don't use it. |
| 20:48.41 | aseigo | jester: no and no |
| 20:48.41 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> Then? |
| 20:48.44 | thiago | jgar: use KMail. |
| 20:48.54 | aseigo | jester: 3.5 was just released though ;) |
| 20:49.01 | jgar | thiago:-> I use it, and I'm very pleased with it |
| 20:49.23 | jgar | thiago:-> I just think if it's an opensource project they should add this features, at least as an option |
| 20:49.25 | benJIman|tov | jgar: viruses, spam, phishing, slow, the recipient may not be able to read it |
| 20:49.49 | pointwood | the thing I like about thunderbird is the integrated spam filter (yes I know kmail can work with external spam filters) |
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| 20:50.07 | thiago | jgar: I said: design decision |
| 20:50.13 | thiago | jgar: so the feature will not be added |
| 20:50.16 | benJIman|tov | jgar: exploit in the renderer means possible execution of stuff, spam can get a small image off a server and record that you've recieved the email, ie your address exists |
| 20:50.28 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo. I'm not really sure what the cause of this problem is, so I've asked here AND in #Gentoo - When I try to share a folder in KDE, it tells me there was a problem and I should make sure that fileshareset is suid root. It is, and I can share from the command line. Any one know where the cause of the problem lies? |
| 20:50.46 | thiago | jgar: but, it's open source |
| 20:50.57 | thiago | jgar: if someone not on the KMail team wants to add the feature, he can do so |
| 20:50.57 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> Please, if they recieve a bit E-Mail with pics and videos and stuff, what is the difference, they still have to download it all, don't they? |
| 20:51.13 | benJIman|tov | jgar: did you read what I said |
| 20:51.24 | benJIman|tov | it's a security issue |
| 20:51.41 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> You can disable external references just like OUTLOOK does |
| 20:51.55 | aseigo | backgrounds on emails == useless. bold, italic, bullets, etc are of arguable benefit, so that is implemented |
| 20:52.01 | PhilRod | SMiLeaf: yeah, though it looked more like a braino to me :-) |
| 20:52.08 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> But at least you have the choice, if you click on them and say you want to load them, then you decide |
| 20:52.21 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> But with kmail you don't have a choice |
| 20:52.24 | sredna | aseigo: That is plain nonsense |
| 20:52.30 | aseigo | we don't need to duplicate every possibility just because it exists elsewhere |
| 20:52.37 | sredna | aseigo: Backgrounds or images on emails can be a great value. |
| 20:52.38 | aseigo | we need (for human resource reasons, for quality reasons) to cherry pick the best ideas |
| 20:52.49 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> I really believe this should be about choices, at least that's all what I read regarding KDE. |
| 20:52.51 | aseigo | sredna: give me one good reason for a background on an email |
| 20:53.05 | frb | aseigo: I want a BLINKing MARQUEE in my signature followed by a FLASH animation of a PANDA! |
| 20:53.11 | jgar | benJIman|tov:-> But in this topic they seem not to be consequent |
| 20:53.15 | sredna | aseigo: Colors is communication |
| 20:53.17 | benJIman|tov | lol frb |
| 20:53.17 | aseigo | frb: we have rehab clinics for people like you ;) |
| 20:53.20 | pointwood | :p |
| 20:53.21 | PhilRod | jgar: you have the choice to see the code and write the feature yourself, or pay someone else to do it |
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| 20:53.31 | frb | dude, pandas rock |
| 20:53.35 | aseigo | sredna: oh please. how does a background accomplish that? please. |
| 20:53.42 | SMiLeaf | PhilRod: actually it was a... check spelling.. go to click on the right one... accidentally choose the wrong one.. and hit enter. |
| 20:53.43 | aseigo | frb: hm. yes, that is very true. |
| 20:53.52 | jgar | PhilRod:-> Well, if I had the money or the knowledge I will certainly do it, belive me! |
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| 20:53.57 | sredna | aseigo: By having a color maybe? |
| 20:54.09 | sredna | aseigo: An image is communication too btw |
| 20:54.17 | aseigo | sredna: i'm asking for real world value of a background image... and if you go out there i think you'll find the value is vanishingly small to zero |
| 20:54.21 | jgar | PhilRod:-> Don't misunderstand me, I believe KDE and KPIM are great! |
| 20:54.38 | jgar | PhilRod:-> I think is the best desktop of all |
| 20:54.42 | aseigo | sredna: sure, having the ability to inline an image at a point i can understand. but not a background. |
| 20:54.49 | frb | aseigo: I could make some really pretty mails with full css styling |
| 20:55.00 | aseigo | frb: real world value being? besides your time spent? |
| 20:55.23 | SMiLeaf | aseigo: emails would be pretty and people like pretty =p |
| 20:55.32 | frb | aseigo: bank statements, credit card reports, etc could be more easily grokked |
| 20:55.40 | SMiLeaf | I like plain text tho. |
| 20:55.41 | Zero_Kelvin | Anyone? A search on Google turns up a few people in foreign countries with a similar problem, but the fix for Mandriva users (perl-suid details, and the Gentoo version of `USE="perlsuid" emerge perl') didn't do anything to change the situation. |
| 20:55.59 | jgar | PhilRod:-> I just think Kmail should be capable of at least showing a HTML E-mail with pics and a background properly |
| 20:55.59 | frb | if you let me use CSS styling, the user could disable it and still have a perfectly accessible page |
| 20:56.15 | jgar | PhilRod:-> or at least give the user the choice to do it |
| 20:56.20 | sredna | aseigo: You are just beeing stubbard. If you want to send someone a festive invitation, a background image could be a value. Or if you send email to children, like I do quite regularly as a trainer in a sports club, because backgraound images might influence their acceptance of the message. |
| 20:56.24 | sredna | Lots of reasons |
| 20:56.30 | aseigo | frb: there are standards for these things (multipart messages), but that aside, you can already due nice coloured up emails |
| 20:56.47 | frb | CSS is more than just color |
| 20:56.50 | aseigo | frb: that said, those sorts of emails (billing) are created by software that isn't a mail client ;) |
| 20:56.54 | jgar | PhilRod:-> I mean, the HTML reader is there in Konqueror, I don't think a programer would have any trouble enabling this. |
| 20:57.19 | pointwood | sredna: send them a .odf then |
| 20:57.26 | DaBlade | hey guys, does compiling KDE require any special commands or is it the regular ./configure && make && make install |
| 20:57.31 | jgar | Is there any KPIM developer here? |
| 20:57.39 | thiago | jgar: #kontact |
| 20:57.44 | jgar | Or Kmail |
| 20:57.47 | benJIman|tov | jgar: it can allready render html email, it's just off by default |
| 20:57.48 | aseigo | DaBlade: you'll likely want to pass a --prefix to ./configure otherwise it'll install to /usr/local/kde |
| 20:57.55 | frb | I actually use gmail, but hey if I can help make kmail better so be it |
| 20:58.05 | sredna | pointwood: Nonsense. I send them email, and it's immediately visible in their webbrowser or email client |
| 20:58.16 | xe | does anyone know how can i connect to IRC with kopete, i can't |
| 20:58.17 | xe | ? |
| 20:58.36 | DaBlade | aseigo: okay. Also, are there any apps that can download and install it all automatically, like amarok-svn does for amarok? (except the stable packages, not svn/cvs) |
| 20:58.47 | aseigo | DaBlade: konstruct |
| 20:58.52 | DaBlade | ok |
| 20:58.59 | pointwood | sredna: bah - it's only a click away |
| 20:59.00 | Zero_Kelvin | Er, I haven't looked too closely, but isn't Kopete _just_ for Instant Messaging? |
| 20:59.03 | sredna | Pointwood and aseigo: You have to accept that the ability to have a background image on a HTML email is just as valid as wanting to be able to format the text |
| 20:59.13 | aseigo | sredna: no, i don't. |
| 20:59.23 | aseigo | sredna: because i have yet to have been given a rational for that position. |
| 20:59.26 | sredna | Poor you, you'll be lost then :-) |
| 20:59.30 | PhilRod | Zero_Kelvin: kopete has irc support too |
| 20:59.36 | PhilRod | xe: ask in #kopete |
| 20:59.41 | Zero_Kelvin | PhilRod: Snazzy. |
| 20:59.43 | xe | ok |
| 20:59.58 | DaBlade | aseigo: This looks a bit hard to use... |
| 21:00.01 | frb | just embed quanta as the email editor |
| 21:00.04 | sredna | aseigo: I gave you a whole bunch above, you just do not want to accept them as such because you are decided on refusing that it can be of any value. |
| 21:00.08 | pointwood | sredna: why do we have to accept that? |
| 21:00.15 | aseigo | sredna: as i noted earlier, there is fairly obvious value for many people in formatting text. what's the point of supporting bgrounds? |
| 21:00.22 | Zero_Kelvin | Damn, outta time. HAve to ask about my problem again later. Cya's. |
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| 21:00.30 | PhilRod | Zero_Kelvin: I'm not sure if they're planning on keeping it long term. It's a bit of a shoehorn, since kopete is designed for IM, rather than large chats (like this channel) |
| 21:00.38 | PhilRod | d'oh |
| 21:00.44 | sredna | aseigo: Why is bold or italic better means of communication than a background? |
| 21:00.45 | aseigo | sredna: no, you simply said that colour communicates and so therefore it MUST follow that there is real world value to backgroudns on email |
| 21:00.48 | pointwood | sredna: and I mentioned another simple option |
| 21:00.59 | Ash-Fox | KISS |
| 21:01.07 | aseigo | sredna: do you really need an answer to that? |
| 21:01.13 | sredna | pointwood: Nonsense. Then we are not talking email any more |
| 21:01.16 | aseigo | sredna: (hint: bandwidth) |
| 21:01.25 | aseigo | (communication bandwidth that is) |
| 21:01.26 | DaBlade | aseigo: No wait, I was reading the wrong page. sorry. |
| 21:01.26 | sredna | aseigo: Who cares about bandwidth? |
| 21:01.37 | aseigo | sredna: communication bandwidth. *sigh* |
| 21:01.45 | frb | images don't have to be large |
| 21:01.52 | aseigo | sredna: for the same reason we use *'s to fake out "bold |
| 21:01.52 | pointwood | sredna: and why is that a problem? |
| 21:02.00 | aseigo | frb: not network bandwidth |
| 21:02.07 | Ash-Fox | images can be vector art.. Then there is no definition of size |
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| 21:02.33 | aseigo | it's not about image size. jesus. =) |
| 21:02.39 | SMiLeaf | aseigo: I perfer plain text emails however I don't see any problem with supporting something like templates for emails.. let the user do whatever they want to customize it.. have it off by default and put it on low priority for getting it done tho. |
| 21:02.39 | DaBlade | aseigo: Ok, how do I compile Konstruct? |
| 21:02.46 | thrice` | ftp://wall@sandman777.homelinux.com/snapshot1.png |
| 21:02.50 | aseigo | the question was: what makes text formatting of value whilst backgrounds aren't |
| 21:02.50 | sredna | pointwood: Your 'just one click' a barrier between th reciever and the message. |
| 21:02.55 | thrice` | anyone else exhibit discolation in the menu like that? |
| 21:03.07 | aseigo | the answer is derived from issues of communication bandwidth (expressivity) |
| 21:03.19 | sredna | Nonsense |
| 21:03.24 | DaBlade | hello? |
| 21:03.30 | aseigo | SMiLeaf: which is what we do. well, aside from templates which i'd love for text-only as much as html =) |
| 21:03.31 | thrice` | in kde 3.5 |
| 21:03.41 | SMiLeaf | aseigo: when the user sets a white font and your background is white? :) |
| 21:03.44 | pointwood | sredna: and your pink background image is what makes me bang my head against the keyboard and that gives me such an awful headache :p |
| 21:04.02 | PhilRod | thrice`: can't get at that link |
| 21:04.05 | aseigo | SMiLeaf: which is the same as using a blue-ish bakcground and using blue text. |
| 21:04.23 | thrice` | in my menu, I have a pink discoloration on the left side (where the blue exists) |
| 21:04.41 | Ash-Fox | The only time I get legitimate html e-mail, is from outlook users, that I fear have viruses embedded always in their e-mails |
| 21:04.50 | aseigo | thrice`: in your applications menu? |
| 21:05.00 | thrice` | aseigo: yes...the k menu |
| 21:05.04 | sredna | pointwood: I never sent you any email with a pink background image. But if I by some magic power achived you banging your head against the wall hard enough, maybe you'll understand that images are a great way to communicate, or even die, leaving the world with one less ignorant in it :o |
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| 21:05.28 | aseigo | thrice`: known issue. related to http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113235 |
| 21:05.52 | Cenuij | sredna: the simple fact that you cant be certain your nice image background gets viewed when someone opens an email is enough for you to know its a bad idea to send an email with an image as a background |
| 21:06.21 | sredna | Lol |
| 21:06.34 | Cenuij | its anal to even talk about the usefullness of sending images/html email when in fact most administrators configure syustem to only display plain text |
| 21:06.41 | thrice` | aseigo: :( will this be patched you think? |
| 21:06.43 | Cenuij | with good reason |
| 21:06.47 | aseigo | thrice`: eventuall |
| 21:06.52 | aseigo | thrice`: for 3.5.1 certainly |
| 21:07.04 | aseigo | thrice`: for now you can turn off the labels in your pager applet |
| 21:07.08 | aseigo | thrice`: that should resolve the issue |
| 21:07.13 | aseigo | (once the menu is updated...) |
| 21:07.15 | Cenuij | how can you hope to convey informatino if you cant be certain the information is even being viewed at the other end? |
| 21:07.24 | thrice` | aseigo: hrm...how can I do that? it's IN the menu |
| 21:07.27 | sredna | Wow, I finally got to install kdelibs from trunk |
| 21:07.30 | SMiLeaf | Cenuij: which is why most send it in 2 sections. plain text, and html. |
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| 21:07.52 | aseigo | thrice`: right click on the pager -> pager options -> no labels |
| 21:08.09 | aseigo | thrice`: then you can do `dcop kicker kicker restart` |
| 21:08.32 | Maneit | Hi. I'm getting errors when trying to compile KOffice with Konstruct (KDE3.5): http://phpfi.com/89747 <- does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 21:08.39 | thrice` | aseigo: appears to have fixed it ! thanks :) |
| 21:08.54 | aseigo | thrice`: np... and with 3.5.1 you should be able to turn those back on. |
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| 21:10.20 | misieq | i've just compiled kde 3.5 using konstruct and it's in ~/kde3.5. how do i make gdm run 3.5 instead of default 3.3.2? |
| 21:10.42 | tue | aseigo: thanks for the work you has done on kicker.. seriously. looks a lot nicer now. |
| 21:10.58 | SMiLeaf | misieq: we can tell you how to do it in kdm :) |
| 21:11.16 | SMiLeaf | misieq: never used gdm. |
| 21:11.20 | misieq | SMiLeaf, god.... that's the problem... just like i thought |
| 21:11.32 | MrB | anyone else getting white backgrounds appearing under the icons in kicker 3.5? I also get corruption sometimes in the clock applet? |
| 21:11.40 | PhilRod | misieq: best to ask in #gnome |
| 21:11.47 | aseigo | MrB: known issue. related to http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113235 |
| 21:11.54 | Tm_T | hi &co o/ |
| 21:11.58 | aseigo | MrB: for now you can turn off the labels in your pager applet |
| 21:11.59 | misieq | folks in #kde would tell me how to make it using kdm, and guys in #gnome perhaps won't tell me how to do it, as i want kde. lol |
| 21:12.00 | PhilRod | hiya Tm_T :-) |
| 21:12.03 | MrB | aseigo: ok, thanks, just happy tits reported |
| 21:12.08 | MrB | tits indeed! |
| 21:12.09 | aseigo | MrB: of just don't use transparency ;) |
| 21:12.10 | MrB | its |
| 21:12.19 | MrB | aseigo: im not, i turned it off but i still get it |
| 21:12.32 | SMiLeaf | misieq: I'd love to help ya.. but I've never used gdm.. so I don't have a clue. |
| 21:12.37 | thrice` | aseigo: ok, thanks |
| 21:12.45 | thrice` | aseigo: now, if they would only fix the kmenu spawning... |
| 21:12.48 | Tm_T | PhilRod: how are you? haven't seen you much lately |
| 21:12.49 | javanree | Konqueror is giving me some issues with submit buttons in certain websites not working... would this be a KHTML or Konqueror bug? Site works fine in 3.4.3 but not in 3.5-rc1 or 3.5 |
| 21:12.56 | aseigo | misieq: you should switch to kdm (it supports gdm themes in 3.5) and it makes it very easy as you just edit/replace .desktop files =) |
| 21:13.07 | thrice` | aseigo: the first time kde is logged into, and kicker isn't all the way on the left, kmenu will still spawn all the way to the left |
| 21:13.26 | aseigo | thrice`: that's because your qt doesn't have our kde patches to it |
| 21:13.34 | misieq | aseigo, hmmm.... thats nice :) |
| 21:13.40 | aseigo | thrice`: fix your qt (or get your distro / package provider) to do so |
| 21:13.47 | misieq | now tell me how do i switch to kdm :) |
| 21:13.58 | SMiLeaf | misieq: which distro? |
| 21:14.01 | misieq | deb |
| 21:14.25 | misieq | ith fresh kde 3.5 built from source in ~/kde3.5 |
| 21:14.29 | misieq | *with |
| 21:15.17 | SMiLeaf | lol.. don't know debian either XD ... I'm just not very helpful today I guess. |
| 21:15.24 | thrice` | aseigo: there is a patch! mind showing me where? |
| 21:15.24 | javanree | Can anybody help me please? Trying to determine what category to use for submitting a bug... |
| 21:15.47 | Ash-Fox | javanree, be more specific please |
| 21:15.51 | javanree | Konqueror is giving me some issues with submit buttons in certain websites not working... would this be a KHTML or Konqueror bug? Site works fine in 3.4.3 but not in 3.5-rc1 or 3.5 |
| 21:15.59 | misieq | SMiLeaf, perhaps you could tell me if konstruct compiles kdm3.5? |
| 21:16.04 | thrice` | aseigo: it's vanilla qt 3.3.5, your'e right...where can I find the patch? |
| 21:16.13 | aseigo | thrice`: it ships with qt-copy (which kde dists) |
| 21:16.24 | thrice` | aseigo: the patch does? |
| 21:16.25 | PhilRod | Tm_T: very good thanks - just coming to the end of term, so it's busy, but I'll soon have lots of time to waste :-) |
| 21:16.26 | SMiLeaf | misieq: yes a new konstruct has been released to build 3.5 |
| 21:16.43 | Ash-Fox | javanree, generally rendering issues are todo with khtml |
| 21:16.52 | aseigo | thrice`: yes |
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| 21:17.04 | aseigo | thrice`: in fact, with qt-copy we have a script called apply-patches that does it all for you |
| 21:17.14 | aseigo | thrice`: so instead of grabbing trolltech's qt, grab our package of it |
| 21:17.16 | misieq | however i'll only switch to kdm if gdm tries would continue to fail |
| 21:17.22 | javanree | Thanks, now I won't get bashed again for filing an improper bug report ;) |
| 21:17.29 | Tm_T | PhilRod: ah good good ;) |
| 21:17.44 | misieq | perhaps what i want is in gnome-something-blahblah ;) |
| 21:18.10 | SMiLeaf | misieq: in kdm there is a session button you click on to change what you login to. perhaps gdm has one too? |
| 21:18.41 | we2by | I like kde so much :) |
| 21:18.46 | misieq | yes, but when i check 'kde' it logs me in to debian's kde 3.3.2 |
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| 21:18.59 | misieq | we2by, say it on #gnome ;P |
| 21:19.00 | thrice` | aseigo: your package...does that mean source? |
| 21:19.07 | aseigo | thrice`: yes |
| 21:19.14 | we2by | konqeuror (kpdf maybe) does remember where I was at when I open my pdf file again for reading |
| 21:19.16 | we2by | :=) |
| 21:19.21 | aseigo | thrice`: if you are using binary packages, let your packager know |
| 21:19.33 | SMiLeaf | misieq: could it be you've not put kde's xsesson or w/e it's called in the right directory? |
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| 21:19.47 | Elrond` | no debian packages för kde 3.5 yet right? |
| 21:19.56 | we2by | haha |
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| 21:20.12 | we2by | slack packages were available right after the release |
| 21:20.19 | we2by | or a few hours after the release ;) |
| 21:20.31 | derxob` | anyone know why when I run a certain superkaramba theme I get "/bin/bash: bc: command not found" in my console |
| 21:20.32 | SMiLeaf | gentoo ebuilds were available 3 days _before_ the release =p |
| 21:20.44 | Ash-Fox | we2by, shh, don't tell the proud apt-get ones |
| 21:20.47 | benJIman|tov | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ |
| 21:20.49 | javanree | misieq : display managers can also be defined in prefdm , which is under /etc/X11 |
| 21:20.55 | thrice` | aseigo: well, yes, I'm using packaged slackware packs |
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| 21:21.24 | javanree | You might want to edit the paths at the top of prefdm to reflect the location of the new KDE version |
| 21:21.28 | PhilRod | derxob`: because you don't have bc (command line calculator app) installed |
| 21:21.34 | thrice` | aseigo: hrm...can I just recompile qt, or will it require all of kde to be redone? |
| 21:21.38 | javanree | I needed to do that (CentOS) to get my new KDE to run |
| 21:21.57 | misieq | javanree, errr... i see no such thing like prefdm here |
| 21:22.01 | misieq | brb |
| 21:22.17 | thrice` | aseigo: this would be great...been plaguing us since kde 3.3.x :) |
| 21:22.45 | javanree | misieq , check out what file is called by inittab to start X11... that should point you in the right direction. |
| 21:22.47 | SMiLeaf | javanree: CentOS? |
| 21:22.56 | javanree | Yes CentOS... a RHEL clone |
| 21:23.02 | SMiLeaf | heh |
| 21:23.03 | MrB | annma: got myself a better trace now |
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| 21:23.51 | MrB | annma: http://rafb.net/paste/results/64ebLd74.html |
| 21:24.17 | derxob` | PhilRod, I cant seem to find a download for it... sourceforge only has a "X-BC" (gui) .. am I overlooking something?/ |
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| 21:25.27 | simmy | I managed to remove the task manager from my main panel and can't manage to put it back into the panel. What am I missing, here? |
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| 21:26.16 | thrice` | aseigo: hrm...the only place it can be found is svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/qt/3.3/qt-copy; is that correct? |
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| 21:27.48 | simmy | ah hah! Got it. |
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| 21:27.53 | misieq | javanree, how thew line should look like? |
| 21:28.48 | SMiLeaf | javanree: the OS at the end made me think it used new kernel (as in not Linux or any BSD). :/ |
| 21:28.54 | javanree | x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon |
| 21:30.05 | misieq | javanree, on level 5 the script only calls '/etc/init.d/rc 5' |
| 21:30.06 | javanree | That's my last line of inittab ... prefdm looks which X display managers are available, and determines in which order they're used. Sorry, only RedHat knowledge here, although others cant be too far off... otherwise browse around in /etc/X11 |
| 21:31.07 | PhilRod | derxob`: your distro should have a package for it |
| 21:32.31 | derxob` | PhilRod, it does, I was installing it when you said that :p thanks |
| 21:32.39 | javanree | SMiLeaf : no clue why they picked such a pretentious name... most clones copied the "Enterprise Linux" string |
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| 21:33.50 | javanree | misieq : Debian seems to have display manager preferences stored in /etc/X11/default-display-manager according to a Google... |
| 21:34.09 | misieq | yeah, i've found out in that very moment |
| 21:34.35 | javanree | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/05/msg00724.html for details |
| 21:34.36 | misieq | javanree, so i should change it kdm, right? |
| 21:35.11 | javanree | Yes, but be sure to point it to the copy of kdm you've built under ~/kde-3.5 or whereever it's housed... |
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| 21:35.48 | misieq | javanree, isn't there any other way of just replacing the 'kde' item in gdm? i bet there is.... |
| 21:36.28 | schleyfox | hello, I just compiled kde 3.5 last night and when I try and start any kde applications (other than amarok) I get a missing mime type error |
| 21:36.31 | javanree | No clue... never bother with other ways. And I never have gdm installed anyway, only xdm and kdm |
| 21:37.19 | schleyfox | It cannot find a mime-type database and it claims none are installed |
| 21:38.27 | schleyfox | ok |
| 21:38.36 | schleyfox | for some reason when I ran it as root, it did ok |
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| 21:46.21 | bluszcz | hello, what i need to show devices on desktop? cd, floppy etc? |
| 21:46.53 | Ash-Fox- | symlinks |
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| 21:47.33 | Ash-Fox- | I imagine that, "ln -s /mnt/* ~/.desktop/*" would work |
| 21:48.02 | sredna | Goodnight all you stubbard ignorants :-) |
| 21:48.24 | SMiLeaf | bye |
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| 21:53.41 | Ash-Fox | God damn it, can people turn off their bluetooth support, their stupid virus infected phones keep crashing mine |
| 21:53.46 | dfi | hi |
| 21:53.58 | aseigo | Ash-Fox: lol |
| 21:54.38 | dfi | i think i found a bug in kmail is this the right place to ask if it really is a bug before bugging bugzilla people? |
| 21:54.55 | Ash-Fox | Seriously, lots of idiots keep turning it on in their phone, then they get this stupid virus that crashes most bluetooth systems because it does non-standard things.. and these other people have never even used bluetooth for anything before that hae it turned on |
| 21:54.56 | Ash-Fox | it's extremely annoying |
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| 21:55.27 | PhilRod | dfi: here or #kontact |
| 21:55.58 | dfi | PhilRod: #kontact propably fits better then, thank you |
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| 22:00.01 | dfi | hm, the people in #kontact seem busy - so i'll just go ahead and bother you ;) |
| 22:01.00 | dfi | kmail doesnt seem to prevent you to create a folder containing a . and then moving it to an imap folder which breaks (i thinks in imap directories are seperated by a . ) |
| 22:02.22 | dfi | is that a user problem or a bug? |
| 22:02.34 | dfi | or a feature eeven ;) |
| 22:03.15 | MrB | dfi: yes, seen that one too |
| 22:03.47 | dfi | MrB: hvent seen any reports on that - bad search query maybe? |
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| 22:04.21 | MrB | dfi: i moved a folder, named like folder.name to an imap server, it created folder and a subfolder called name |
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| 22:04.46 | dfi | *nod* |
| 22:05.37 | dfi | i had content in mine and it went nuts i couldnt remove the folder it created through kmail (i deleted it by hand with cyradm) |
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| 22:06.22 | dfi | MrB: so it _is_ a bug and worth reporting it? or will you look into it (ive seen you in #kontact)? |
| 22:06.41 | MrB | dfi: asking in there now, have u checked the kde tracker? |
| 22:07.10 | dfi | tracker? |
| 22:07.23 | MrB | bugs.kde.org |
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| 22:09.01 | dfi | MrB: yeah i tried some queries but didnt find it |
| 22:09.58 | MrB | k |
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| 22:23.18 | dfi | MrB: thanks for your help! |
| 22:23.25 | MrB | no problems :) |
| 22:23.25 | dfi | good night * |
| 22:23.27 | MrB | night |
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| 22:23.47 | un1v4c | Hi! |
| 22:24.51 | un1v4c | I have slackware 10.02 & kde 3.4.2. Can somebody tell me how to install and use KDM themes? |
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| 22:43.14 | GNAM | what's best kde distro? |
| 22:43.43 | GNAM | what distro must I try? |
| 22:43.54 | GNAM | mandriva, kubuntu... suse? |
| 22:44.51 | nuxil | archlinux |
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| 22:45.27 | nuxil | www.archlinux.org |
| 22:46.12 | g3nocide | slackware |
| 22:46.14 | g3nocide | :D |
| 22:46.34 | nuxil | duh.. sackware is for loosers |
| 22:46.38 | nuxil | :P |
| 22:46.50 | g3nocide | im not loose |
| 22:46.59 | g3nocide | i'm TOIGHT like a TOIGAH |
| 22:47.03 | nuxil | i was a looser until i installed arch |
| 22:47.06 | nuxil | :P |
| 22:48.06 | benJIman | GNAM: suse's kde is very good |
| 22:48.06 | nuxil | GNAM |
| 22:48.07 | we2by | trying a sample load of the kernel module |
| 22:48.07 | we2by | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.14.3/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 22:48.08 | we2by | failed. |
| 22:48.09 | we2by | ops |
| 22:48.27 | mgorbach228 | we2by: you need root xs |
| 22:48.31 | nuxil | mandriva, kubuntu... suse is for idots.. everything has to be gui for them |
| 22:48.58 | benJIman | we2by: you also have to be running same version of the kernel as it was built against |
| 22:49.01 | mgorbach228 | nuxil: is arch like gentoo? |
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| 22:49.24 | nuxil | mgorbach228 what else |
| 22:49.28 | benJIman | nuxil: not so, they give you the choice of not having to use gui, you can still do everything by hand if you prefer |
| 22:49.47 | benJIman | mgorbach228: it's more like slackware with proper package management |
| 22:49.48 | nuxil | benJIman its aimed at stupid users |
| 22:50.01 | mgorbach228 | what kind of packages managment? |
| 22:50.05 | benJIman | nuxil: it's aimed at everyone |
| 22:50.07 | nuxil | pacman |
| 22:50.07 | mgorbach228 | *package |
| 22:50.22 | mgorbach228 | what format? |
| 22:50.29 | benJIman | nuxil: who wants to be forced todo everything manually, not many, you still have the power todo so if you wish |
| 22:50.32 | nuxil | benJIman yes userfriendly,, like for newbees |
| 22:50.34 | nuxil | idoist |
| 22:50.37 | benJIman | mgorbach228: it has its own format |
| 22:50.46 | mgorbach228 | ah ... is it binary? |
| 22:50.51 | rkroetch | I used to have XF86AudioLowerVolume and Raise initialize Kmix and raise / lower volume on press with KDE 3.4, I don't remember setting it up... it doesn't work anymore with KDE 3.5.. anyone have any ideas on how to get that effect? |
| 22:50.52 | benJIman | yes |
| 22:51.11 | mgorbach228 | so why's it better than deb or rpm or whatever? |
| 22:51.20 | nuxil | mgorbach228 http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman |
| 22:51.57 | nuxil | mgorbach228 no deb is the most complex ever made. |
| 22:52.05 | rkroetch | nuxil: If you ever use slackware, it has a very similar utility in extra called "slackpkg" |
| 22:52.42 | nuxil | slackpkg? i didnt make paks on slack.. i used to compile them myself |
| 22:52.45 | rkroetch | nuxil: That combined with checkinstall seems to have all the features mentioned. |
| 22:52.58 | mgorbach228 | and it runs kde well? |
| 22:53.10 | mgorbach228 | maybe i'll consider it ... im getting tired of gentoo being a PITA |
| 22:53.14 | rkroetch | nuxil: checkinstall makes packages, slackpkg will download / upgrade / install packages from the slack repository |
| 22:53.21 | nuxil | mgorbach228 yes kde3.5 |
| 22:53.32 | benJIman | rkroetch: are checkinstall's slackware packages any good? checkinstall rpms are horrible |
| 22:53.59 | Old--man | I have a basic question about kmymoney if anyone knows anything about it. Why does a deposit I enter into the ledger flash red? |
| 22:54.11 | rkroetch | benJIman: the packages are perfectly fine assuming your make goes through and installs everything (unlike unsermake on a rebuild) |
| 22:54.17 | nuxil | the new pacman in next realse will be alount as good as the one deb has |
| 22:54.23 | nuxil | *almost |
| 22:54.25 | rkroetch | However, as slackware doens't manage dependencies, it's probably much easier to make packages for than an RPM |
| 22:54.37 | benJIman | nod |
| 22:55.16 | nuxil | rkroetch yes but also increases the chance of a faulty install |
| 22:55.39 | g3nocide | if you are a complete epsilon |
| 22:55.40 | nuxil | lol |
| 22:55.45 | rkroetch | nuxil: Howso? |
| 22:55.55 | g3nocide | if you want ease of use, go with mandriva, urpmi is the best package manager i;ve seen |
| 22:56.02 | benJIman | or suse |
| 22:56.17 | benJIman | which has yast, y2pmsh, apt, yum, smart, and possibly some other package managers |
| 22:56.27 | benJIman | oh urpmi support via smart |
| 22:56.29 | rkroetch | nuxil: I have yet to have a problem with either slackpkg OR checkinstall. And if there is one, just remove the package, make clean, and make install plain.. |
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| 22:57.25 | nuxil | well all in all its just a script. im not sayin its a bad one.. but it set some limtations |
| 22:57.44 | rkroetch | nuxil: Such as? |
| 22:58.15 | nuxil | think... whats more powerfull that a programming lang Vs a script lang.. so i really need to explain |
| 22:58.45 | nuxil | nop |
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| 22:59.45 | rkroetch | nuxil: Not a valid argument :) Shell scripts can run binaries as well. Assuming it works (as it does) there is no fault with it using a scripting language besides speed and future expandability (which can always be done with a binary execution if Necessary) |
| 23:00.26 | nuxil | rkroetch. ok 1 small thinh a script cant do.. put var's in the meory |
| 23:00.43 | nuxil | for fast prossessing |
| 23:00.59 | rkroetch | nuxil: It works. I'm done discussing my side :) This is KDE chat. |
| 23:01.10 | nuxil | :) yea |
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| 23:01.17 | nuxil | lets leave the distro fight |
| 23:01.21 | nuxil | :P |
| 23:01.39 | rkroetch | Anyone know why XF86VolumeRaise would not initialize kmix / raise-lower volume like it used to in KDE 3.4 in KDE 3.5? |
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| 23:02.02 | rkroetch | I don't remember writing any custom scripts or even keyboard shortcuts to do it. I think it just figured it out itself in KDE 3.4 |
| 23:02.21 | Old--man | rkroetch, It might have mis-identified your keyboard |
| 23:02.53 | rkroetch | Old--man: I have the keysym set with a Xmodmap -- and xev registers the press, but I'll check that |
| 23:03.53 | rkroetch | It is set right. I remember that setting it up last time in KDE 3.4 |
| 23:04.00 | Old--man | I used this page to get mine working. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Dell_Latitude_D610#Special_Keys |
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| 23:07.27 | rkroetch | Yeah, I have my xmodmap setup as specified and the keyboard type in KDE setup as it should be... but it no longer works |
| 23:07.37 | rkroetch | Anyone else have the problem when upgrading? |
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| 23:11.22 | Old--man | Anyone know if the kde mailing lists are any good (signal to noise ratio)? |
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| 23:12.05 | Maneit | Do I need any third party libs to be able to print to pdf from f.ex kword? |
| 23:12.17 | ViViD | im running Debian Sarge w/ kde 3.3, and when i ./configure for an install i get the error "in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed" |
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| 23:13.46 | ViViD | anyone know where my headers would be located, or what packages i need to install? |
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| 23:15.43 | rkroetch | ViViD a popular place for many distros is in /opt/kde/include |
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| 23:16.46 | Ze_M | in where can i report a kopete-0.12 build prob? |
| 23:16.48 | rkroetch | ViViD: Type kde-config --prefix |
| 23:16.48 | rkroetch | in a shell |
| 23:16.59 | rkroetch | Ze_M: What is the problem? |
| 23:17.09 | Ze_M | doesnt buid |
| 23:17.40 | rkroetch | Ze_M: Aye, is it an error in the code causing it? Or a system configuration issue. |
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| 23:18.04 | triNode | could someone help me verify a konq bug? (https related) |
| 23:18.33 | mobtek | man everything is running faster with 3.5 now |
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| 23:18.35 | mobtek | nice |
| 23:18.54 | Ze_M | rkroetch: kopete-0.12/protocols/groupwise/libgroupwise/Makefile.am: no rule to create target: ./kopete/protocols/groupwise/libgroupwise/tasks/libgroupwise_tasks.la(./kopete-0.12/protocols/groupwise/libgroupwise/libgwtest.la) |
| 23:18.57 | Aaden | hey anyone know why when i upgraded to kde 3.5 my drives disappeared |
| 23:19.09 | rkroetch | Ze_M: Are you using a release or SVN? |
| 23:19.18 | Ze_M | rkroetch: i said a build prob |
| 23:19.18 | rkroetch | triNode: What version of Konq do you need to test? |
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| 23:19.29 | triNode | rkroetch: 3.5 |
| 23:19.43 | rkroetch | Ze_M: releases also come in source. It does matter what source you are building from |
| 23:19.45 | Ze_M | didnt i said kopete-0.12? and i just made a svn sync to kopete-0.12 |
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| 23:19.58 | rkroetch | triNode: Reproduction instructions can be PM |
| 23:20.03 | Mewshi | how do you turn off spell-checking? |
| 23:20.05 | rkroetch | triNode: Or said here |
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| 23:20.18 | rkroetch | Ze_M: Okie, did you make sure to unsermake -f Makefile.cvs? |
| 23:20.27 | Ze_M | i give up |
| 23:20.29 | triNode | Bug is as follows: go to a https site, then click the dropdown arrow which drops down a list of recent URLS it opens the SSL info box, then when you close it, the url list drops down |
| 23:20.32 | Ze_M | im now in #kopete |
| 23:20.52 | triNode | rkroetch: see the above description |
| 23:21.05 | Ze_M | rkroetch: if i wouldnt do it i wouldnt even could build, and even worst, get a build error |
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| 23:21.27 | alesan | hi, is there some application in kde to automatically recognize, mount ad umount my usb key? |
| 23:21.39 | Mewshi | how do i turn off spell-checking? |
| 23:21.50 | Ze_M | rkroetch: u make such kinds of questioms... |
| 23:22.02 | riogeed | oops wrong channel, sorry. |
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| 23:22.09 | rkroetch | triNode: I have an icon for SSL to the left of the dropdown box, when that closes, the dropdown box does not open. |
| 23:22.29 | triNode | no, it's when you click the drop down |
| 23:22.41 | rkroetch | triNode: That behaves as expected |
| 23:22.56 | triNode | damn, must be something about my setup then |
| 23:23.07 | triNode | what on earth could cause that? |
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| 23:23.30 | triNode | rkroetch: just to be sure, try www.nwolb.com (takes you to the secure site by redirection) |
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| 23:25.23 | triNode | has there been changed from kde 3.5 rc1 and 3.5? |
| 23:25.25 | rkroetch | triNode: Nope, expected behavior |
| 23:25.27 | triNode | *changes |
| 23:25.42 | rkroetch | triNode: I know there were changes, if they effect that you'll have to read the changelogs :) |
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| 23:26.11 | triNode | rkroetch: I'm off to bed, probably easier to install 3.5 then :) |
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| 23:26.32 | triNode | when I wake up all should be well :D |
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| 23:36.52 | Mewshi | how do you turn off spell-checking? |
| 23:37.13 | factor | can I get two different knewstickers going each panel showing a different set of news streams? |
| 23:37.29 | factor | so far they have to use the same data for each news ticker. |
| 23:38.27 | rkroetch | Mewshi: In what application? |
| 23:40.16 | rkroetch | factor: I can't even get two to run at once... |
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| 23:41.47 | Tomasu | hmm. over the past few days I've felt my machine has been a little slower than usual.. then just now I took a look at kpm's list, and memory usage: http://www.strangesoft.net/kde-sysguard-kpdf.png kpdf seems to like ram. |
| 23:41.57 | Tomasu | 2GB worth. |
| 23:42.08 | rkroetch | Lol, just a bit... |
| 23:42.37 | rkroetch | Don't you have 4 1GB sticks of RAM and a 12GB swap? |
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| 23:42.44 | rkroetch | I thought everyone did nowadays... |
| 23:42.49 | rkroetch | At least, if you plan on running Vista |
| 23:42.50 | Tomasu | I wish. more like 512MB ram, and 1.5GB swap. |
| 23:44.00 | Tomasu | it hasnt been fixed in the latest kde release has it? I have an oldish 3.5 alpha installed.. |
| 23:44.11 | rkroetch | How long has KPDF been running? |
| 23:44.27 | Tomasu | just started it.. |
| 23:44.51 | rkroetch | Oh, I have no such problems with a kpart instance of KPDF with 3.5.. I'll try standalone |
| 23:45.14 | Tomasu | fresh reboot too, as I thought my machine was being a bit slugish lately, but then I've been using kpdf allot :o |
| 23:45.34 | rkroetch | On a 3 page moderately complex PDF I get 57MB |
| 23:45.34 | fpitt_ | night! |
| 23:45.40 | grimweb | anybody know anything on KDETV? |
| 23:45.42 | rkroetch | Acceptable |
| 23:46.03 | rkroetch | Tomasu: If your PDF is public want me to test it on my recent kpdf? |
| 23:46.19 | Tomasu | http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Prototyping/microSD_Spec.pdf |
| 23:46.31 | Tomasu | thanks :) |
| 23:47.27 | rkroetch | So far it's good, I'll load every page... (will take some CPU time on this beast) |
| 23:48.14 | Tomasu | I had it loaded from firefox if that matters.. |
| 23:48.31 | factor | can I export=display:0.0 a kde panel from another user to my current desktop? |
| 23:48.40 | rkroetch | Tomasu, a standalone version of KPDF runs fine.. and it might matter... but I don't think it would? |
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| 23:49.27 | grimweb | Tomasu: It looks ok here... just some characters I miss... |
| 23:49.51 | rkroetch | Probably the international charactors up top? |
| 23:49.59 | Tomasu | then it must be a bug in my version |
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| 23:50.10 | Tomasu | since I loaded it again, and its up to 700MB+ |
| 23:50.12 | rkroetch | Or thats an image.. anyways, aye. |
| 23:50.48 | rkroetch | Stable seems really.. stable.. so far And nice :) Though I had a revert it seems in my Kicker from SVN 3.5 trunk |
| 23:51.06 | rkroetch | Then again, that bug seems to have fixed itself. Which is really odd. |
| 23:51.11 | grimweb | rkroetch: the internationals at the top are ok... those at the top of the footer are not visible |
| 23:51.20 | Tomasu | one interesting fact, the linux version of Acrobat 7 doenst display it properly.. most pages are blank. |
| 23:51.23 | Kirsan | Can someone comfirm in the latest 3.5 that openssl does not load dynamically? If someone has not got libssl.so or libcrypto.so in the default paths of /usr/ssl/ /usr/lib/ /opt/ssl/ /opt/openssl etc etc |
| 23:51.24 | rkroetch | grimweb: Oh Agreed |
| 23:51.38 | grimweb | I'm running a alfa of 3.5 |
| 23:52.14 | MrB | Tomasu: thats due to missing chinese fonts.. apparently |
| 23:52.17 | Kirsan | I think i traced a bug, in kcontrol.. its not seting the path, i had to code it in kssl and redo kio... |
| 23:52.19 | Tomasu | ah |
| 23:52.29 | Tomasu | well, kpdf is better then :D |
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| 23:52.35 | Tomasu | just need to update it... |
| 23:52.38 | MrB | Tomasu: was the error i got.. hehe.. one day, hopefully |
| 23:53.06 | Tomasu | I deffinitley prefer kpdf over acrobat so far.. acrobats scrolling sucks |
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| 23:53.24 | rkroetch | I love Kpdf... It runs very well and has a UI without 50000 buttons. |
| 23:53.35 | Tomasu | I think its time to run my little update-kde script again :D |
| 23:53.37 | grimweb | BTW does the new kpfd support filling in forms? |
| 23:54.21 | grimweb | (like acrobat)(I use KPDF by default) |
| 23:55.18 | rkroetch | http://www.uspto.gov/web/forms/2038-fill.pdf -- If this is fillinable as the USPTO seems to suggest, no. |
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| 23:56.03 | CVirus | guys .. how can I allow root login in kdm ? |
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| 23:56.26 | grimweb | isn't that allowed by default? |
| 23:56.40 | grimweb | CV: ^^ |
| 23:56.42 | CVirus | grimweb: nope |
| 23:56.54 | grimweb | CV: what distro is that? |
| 23:56.54 | StevenR | kcontrol, login manager settingy thing |
| 23:57.06 | rkroetch | People run KDE as root? |
| 23:57.13 | CVirus | grimweb: Gentoo |
| 23:57.17 | grimweb | yes, I sometimes do |
| 23:57.20 | Hobbsee | i dont, unless my user account is massively screwed |
| 23:57.21 | CVirus | rkroetch: people shouldnt do this :) |
| 23:57.25 | grimweb | ok... use KControl |
| 23:57.29 | rkroetch | That sounds frightingly scary. |
| 23:57.40 | Tomasu | I have 300MB worth of source to download and compile... |
| 23:57.42 | Tomasu | yay |
| 23:57.54 | Tomasu | make that 400... |
| 23:57.55 | rkroetch | Tomasu: At least you have broadband... right? |
| 23:57.57 | Tomasu | ja |
| 23:58.04 | rkroetch | Remember the days of 56k modems... *cries* |
| 23:58.12 | Tomasu | wont take long to download, but It'll take a good 6+ hours to compile.. |
| 23:58.25 | rkroetch | If you have Gcc4 it is muchero faster |
| 23:58.40 | StevenR | rkroetch: my dad only recently got bband...boy did it suck going home and trying to use the interweb |
| 23:58.42 | rkroetch | And if you patch your QT with the Gcc4 visibility patch, it has a noticable increase in speed ;) |
| 23:58.47 | Tomasu | last I heard its still not quite stable enough to do anything major with. |
| 23:59.19 | rkroetch | Tomasu: Agreed for major... but for a desktop system with no necessary uptime, it runs fine enough for me. |
| 23:59.44 | grimweb | rkroetch: the gov pdf works with Acrobat, so that would be something to work on .... |
| 23:59.51 | Tomasu | by "major" I meant larger packages.. and thinks like qdvdauthor... |
| 23:59.56 | grimweb | who's going to make the subbestion? |
