irclog2html for #kde on 20051216

`00:02.24`	`rhaegal`	`homelinkcs: Gimme a minute`
`00:02.30`	`homelinkcs`	`thanks'`
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`00:06.19`	`rhaegal`	`Unknown word: futher`
`00:06.41`	`homelinkcs`	`hmm, are you using ASpell?`
`00:06.45`	`rhaegal`	`Suggested Words: further Luther Father`
`00:06.47`	`rhaegal`	`father*`
`00:06.49`	`rhaegal`	`I don't know`
`00:07.00`	`rhaegal`	`I just did Tools/Spelling`
`00:07.16`	`homelinkcs`	`see my problem is that my spell checker is not catching it`
`00:07.22`	`rhaegal`	`Hmmm`
`00:07.32`	`rhaegal`	`How do I check if I am using Aspell?`
`00:08.05`	`MrClever`	`rhaegal: kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Spell Checker`
`00:08.08`	`rhaegal`	`It says "ISpell Default"`
`00:08.22`	`luciash`	`rhaegal: i found a way how you can use your customized plastik in kdm`
`00:08.27`	`MrClever`	`Is ISpell installed?`
`00:08.29`	`rhaegal`	`Yes`
`00:08.32`	`rhaegal`	`For me`
`00:08.36`	`homelinkcs`	`ok, cuz i'm using aspell here`
`00:08.40`	`rhaegal`	`luciash: One sec`
`00:08.50`	`MrClever`	`If not, either change it to the spelling package you DO have, or install ISpell :)`
`00:09.05`	`homelinkcs`	`but when i use aspell on the command line, it does catch it`
`00:09.06`	`rhaegal`	`luciash: I got it!`
`00:09.15`	`rhaegal`	`luciash: The color scheme thing worked`
`00:09.24`	`MrClever`	`Is ISpell using the correct dictionary (which is determined by your Locale)`
`00:09.40`	`luciash`	`rhaegal: just copy it from your ~/.qt/plastikstylerc to /etc/plastikstylerc`
`00:09.46`	`rhaegal`	`luciash: I just edited High Contrast White Text and change all of the dark blue things I saw to green and it work worked`
`00:09.46`	`homelinkcs`	`and i'm having this problem on at least two differernt computers with two different distros`
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`00:10.16`	`rhaegal`	`luciash: I don't have that dir`
`00:10.31`	`rhaegal`	`brb'`
`00:10.46`	`luciash`	`everybody has /etc`
`00:10.50`	`luciash`	`;)`
`00:11.18`	`luciash`	`i believe :-p`
`00:12.19`	`homelinkcs`	`luciash: rm -rf /etc`
`00:12.19`	`homelinkcs`	`not anymore :-D`
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`00:12.57`	`luciash`	`lol`
`00:12.58`	`rhaegal`	`Yay it looks sooo slick now =D`
`00:13.24`	`MrClever`	`ISpell doesn't come with any dictionaries by default in my distro - did you install one?`
`00:13.33`	`comradevik`	`does anyone know why $command = shell_exec('dcop');`
`00:13.33`	`comradevik`	`echo "<pre>$command</pre>"; won't work in php`
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`00:13.49`	`luciash`	`rhaegal: you must have /etc ;)`
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`00:14.20`	`luciash`	`plastikstylerc is the file where plastik stores the custom highlight colors`
`00:14.50`	`rhaegal`	`I don't have /etc/plastikstylerc`
`00:15.02`	`rhaegal`	`Oh I see`
`00:15.11`	`rhaegal`	`Not a dir`
`00:15.13`	`rhaegal`	`file`
`00:15.17`	`luciash`	`yo copy it from your home`
`00:15.32`	`rhaegal`	`Damn I'm giddy for 2.6.15`
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`00:19.49`	`homelinkcs`	`can anyone else duplicate the problem i'm having, i.e. kde's spell checker not catching certain misspellings, such as "futher"?`
`00:21.02`	`MrClever`	`homelinkcs: not here. My i686 and AMD64 KDE 3.4.3 (Kubuntu Breezy) installs are both using International ISpell with the ibritish dictionaries without a hitch :-/`
`00:21.23`	`MrClever`	`Are you sure ISpell has a dictionary installed?`
`00:21.53`	`MrClever`	`ls /usr/lib/ispell`
`00:22.03`	`_john`	`Sorry to intrude but how do you move the OSD around in Konversation?`
`00:22.09`	`MrClever`	`and also ls /var/lib/dictionaries-common`
`00:22.53`	`MrClever`	`_john: OSD? As in change the size of the nicknames box/input/chat display etc?`
`00:23.13`	`_john`	`MrClever as in the On Screen Display.`
`00:23.28`	`_john`	`In IRC I'm a newbie.`
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`00:24.18`	`MrClever`	`Hmm - I'm using Konversation right now and the only OSD is the chat window, tabs etc....not sure exactly what you're trying to ask.`
`00:24.29`	`homelinkcs`	`i'm using Aspell (with Aspell default dictionary) with KDE 3.4.1 under Gentoo`
`00:24.58`	`homelinkcs`	`i also tested this on my brother's computer with the same result`
`00:25.03`	`_john`	`MrClever under settings configure konversation, in the notification tab there's a bit on On Screen Display.`
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`00:26.08`	`homelinkcs`	`he's also using aspell but with KDE 3.2.3 on Mandrake 10.1`
`00:26.32`	`MrClever`	`_john: Ah - THAT OSD ;) Mine's disabled....I'll have a play and see what I can figure out for ya!`
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`00:26.44`	`_john`	`MrClever thanks. :)`
`00:26.49`	`homelinkcs`	`maybe i'll upgrade to 3.4.3 tonight and see if that helps`
`00:27.46`	`homelinkcs`	`though i couldn't find any indication of this having been a known bug`
`00:27.46`	`frb`	`hmmm.... I just enabled "MacOS style" menu bar...`
`00:28.02`	`frb`	`Now the menubar is at 0,0, with a space of 24px then the transparent kicker`
`00:28.06`	`frb`	`is this normal?`
`00:29.04`	`MrClever`	`_john: the only positioning I can do is to move it between screen 0<->1 (dual head box).....doesn't look like you can "freehand" move it like you can with Amarok etc.`
`00:29.38`	`frb`	`if I move the nrmal kicker to the bottom, there is still a 24px space between the menubar and the applications`
`00:29.48`	`_john`	`MrClever, thanks. I was wondering if that was the case.`
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`00:30.17`	`MrClever`	`_john: NP. Pitty though. Maybe suggest it to the authors for a "wish-list"??`
`00:31.18`	`_john`	`MrClever: I just might have to do that. Might I ask what is the main purpose of this channel`
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`00:39.44`	`mactalla`	`could someone tell me what the filename for the alt-f2 run command thing is?`
`00:40.10`	`mactalla`	`digging through configure kmenu, etc, doesn't seem to give me any control over it, so I can't see what command it runs`
`00:40.34`	`mactalla`	`and googling kde "run command" isn't very specific :P`
`00:41.05`	`frb`	`mactalla: it's part of kicker iirc`
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`00:41.32`	`straw`	`is kde-look down again?`
`00:41.36`	`magyar`	`is there a kde network card utility?`
`00:41.39`	`MrClever`	`mactalla: like frb sez - it's a built-in function of kicker.`
`00:41.44`	`mactalla`	`frb: thx. I'll try re-emerging that then :)`
`00:44.17`	`MrClever`	`straw: my proxy is saying it's getting a zero-sized reply....`
`00:44.37`	`straw`	`yeah. it's weird`
`00:44.38`	`MrClever`	`straw: so yeh - it's down by the look`
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`00:45.58`	`illuminata`	`quick question about kde 4. i saw arts in the feature plan, but wasn't that supposed to get replaced?`
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`00:46.59`	`straw`	`illuminata: kde 4 will be able to use any one of several backends afaik`
`00:47.04`	`jorgp`	`illuminata: kde 4 is a year away, who knows`
`00:47.24`	`illuminata`	`hmmm, fair enough`
`00:47.40`	`illuminata`	`i figured they'd be doing some sort of an audio engine rewrite`
`00:48.11`	`jorgp`	`anyone using kde 3.5 and konversation?`
`00:48.21`	`jorgp`	`0.18`
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`00:49.15`	`lostson`	`i am`
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`00:51.34`	`jorgp`	`can you configure OSD correctly?`
`00:51.56`	`jorgp`	`I can config OSD on amarok fine, konv is all messed up`
`00:52.56`	`cpw`	`mine works ok`
`00:53.12`	`cpw`	`(almost too well sometimes :P)`
`00:53.23`	`jorgp`	`hmm, wonder what the problem is`
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`00:53.45`	`cpw`	`define "messed up"`
`00:54.01`	`jorgp`	`you can not put it where you want to on the screen`
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`00:54.12`	`cpw`	`yah you can`
`00:54.15`	`cpw`	`let me find out how again`
`00:54.27`	`knoppix`	`hi folks`
`00:54.29`	`cpw`	`well, you can, but it doesn't follow the mouse like it's supposed to`
`00:54.47`	`knoppix`	`i've just run knoppix`
`00:54.47`	`jorgp`	`I mean when I try to move it from the config screen, instead of the OSD I get a solid black line`
`00:54.52`	`knoppix`	`and need some help`
`00:55.03`	`knoppix`	`knode won't read yenc files`
`00:55.18`	`cpw`	`jorgp: yes, I agree with you there :P`
`00:55.34`	`cpw`	`knoppix: download manually and decode that way`
`00:55.37`	`cpw`	`knoppix: afaik`
`00:55.48`	`jorgp`	`use klibido`
`00:56.01`	`jorgp`	`it does it all`
`00:56.04`	`knoppix`	`is there any way to decode atutomaticaly`
`00:56.09`	`knoppix`	`like grabit in win`
`00:56.11`	`knoppix`	`or something`
`00:56.16`	`knoppix`	`i'm too lazy`
`00:56.16`	`jorgp`	`klibido`
`00:56.17`	`knoppix`	`:P`
`00:56.27`	`knoppix`	`ok`
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`00:56.29`	`knoppix`	`tnc`
`00:56.32`	`knoppix`	`tnx`
`00:56.37`	`jorgp`	`nntp binary grabber`
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`00:57.13`	`jorgp`	`cpw: how do you get it to move`
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`01:00.43`	`lostson`	`hmm 3.5 didnt pick up dvdrom or my cdburner`
`01:02.05`	`Scorpaen`	`gentoo with kde 3.5 - enqueue in xmms is listed as an action in properties of right click menu of an mp3 or m3u file, but it doesn't show up when i right click on the file.`
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`01:02.43`	`Scorpaen`	`some users have enq. in xmms some don't. i've run the menu updating tool. didn't detect it.`
`01:03.23`	`Scorpaen`	`i moved .kde3.5 and .kde3.4 from my home dir to safe location. re ran startup wizard and menu updating tool. still not there.`
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`01:14.50`	`yaco`	`hey`
`01:15.02`	`yaco`	`are kde-look and apps running?`
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`01:15.43`	`lostson`	`doesnt appear to be`
`01:16.07`	`yaco`	`whats the problem now?`
`01:16.16`	`lostson`	`dont know`
`01:16.20`	`yaco`	`this morning they were up`
`01:16.33`	`lostson`	`anyone else having problems with knetattach`
`01:16.34`	`lostson`	`?`
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`01:20.09`	`b00zy`	`when i use right-alt + tab, the window list is cycled, but have to press tab again to choose the window. left-alt + tab works as expected (when the right-alt key is lifted, the window is selected). how do i set right-alt to have the same behavior? gotta map both alt's to the same keycode w/ xmodmap?`
`01:20.35`	`thiago`	`don't use the right-alt the same way you use left-alt`
`01:20.44`	`thiago`	`the right-alt key is generally mapped to a different function`
`01:23.05`	`Scorpaen`	`anyone here use xmms and got the enqueue in xmms right click dialogue working?`
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`01:34.54`	`mactalla`	`does anyone here run Xorg 7.0_rc3?`
`01:35.24`	`zubov`	`7.0?!`
`01:35.50`	`mactalla`	`zubov: the modular version. 6.9 is the monolithic, and 7.0 is the modular (same code)`
`01:36.27`	`mactalla`	`kxkb doesn't seem to play nice with it :(`
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`01:41.23`	`b00zy`	`thiago: i want them mapped to the same function`
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`01:41.47`	`lostson`	`now to update to 3.5 on my lappy only took 7 hours on my desktop`
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`01:42.38`	`thiago`	`b00zy: check your keyboard layout mapping then`
`01:42.43`	`thiago`	`it's beyond the scope of KDE`
`01:43.39`	`b00zy`	`thiago: i don't want both alt keys to be identical, i just want that key comb to work identically`
`01:44.13`	`b00zy`	`i.e have one be the alternate, one be the primary`
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`01:46.22`	`thiago`	`they will both be the same`
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`02:06.30`	`atomic_UE_`	`I'm running mandriva 2006 with kde 3.4.2 and kmail 1.8.2. kmail is not remembering the passwords for the mail accounts after it's shutdown`
`02:07.40`	`atomic_UE_`	`The option "Store password" is checked for each account in the account settings, kdewallet is setup and working, kmail has been given access to kdewallet yet kmail never manages to remember the passwords`
`02:08.09`	`atomic_UE_`	`the kmail folder in kdewallet is also empty`
`02:09.11`	`atomic_UE_`	`so does anyone have any ideas on the issue?`
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`02:13.24`	`jilocasin`	`'ello all`
`02:13.49`	`jilocasin`	`can someone help me, I can't get KDE to stop taking up all of my screen.`
`02:14.27`	`Anonycat`	`Isn't KDE supposed to be what's on your screen?`
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`02:16.40`	`jilocasin`	`Anonycat: I've got a 19" screen running 1280x1024. Konq always opens to 2/3 of the screen. The bubble help on the task bar is about 2" x4", and the network settings applet opens a window that's over a third of the screen, and even then it's too small to show the buttons on the bottom, I have to open it up to 2/3rds to see the buttons at the bottom, for a few examples`
`02:18.09`	`jilocasin`	`Anonycat: I've tweeked all of the settings I can find, the font's small, the window titles are thin, FireFox remembers its size, but all the native KDE "stuff" Kong, KinfoCenter, etc. are WAY WAY too huge.`
`02:18.22`	`jilocasin`	`Anonycat: Is this fixable?`
`02:18.50`	`jilocasin`	`Anonycat: if it helps, I'm running Kubuntu, 5.10`
`02:20.18`	`jilocasin`	`Does anyone know if this is "fixable"???`
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`02:21.20`	`Polar`	`Couldn't you just, resize the window?`
`02:21.33`	`Codename_V`	`howdy. are there any kde rdp clients?`
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`02:22.15`	`luciash`	`jilocasin: it is`
`02:22.20`	`jilocasin`	`Polar: for Kong, sure, everytime.... but the network settings applet resizing it would mean I couldn't see the buttons or anything else on the form`
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`02:22.31`	`jilocasin`	`luciash: how pray tell....`
`02:23.03`	`Polar`	`Codename_V: krdc perhaps?`
`02:23.25`	`Codename_V`	`Polar: sweet, lemme dig around for that.`
`02:23.45`	`luciash`	`jilocasin: read e.g. here: http://www.metatheme.org/installation.php`
`02:24.03`	`luciash`	`i believ it's the different dpi setting`
`02:26.51`	`_kilrae`	`ya know what would be nice, the ability to queue a message to an offline person in kopete`
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`02:27.17`	`MrClever`	`_kilrae: you can prided the protocol supports it - like Yahoo and ICQ`
`02:27.19`	`jilocasin`	`luciash: 90x96 dots per inch. Doesn't explain the problem with KDE builtins. FireFox and other Non-KDE apps don't suffer from this problem.`
`02:27.52`	`luciash`	`do u have same dpi set in firefox e.g. ?`
`02:28.21`	`jilocasin`	`where would I find that out?`
`02:28.24`	`luciash`	`and in gnome ? (gtk2)`
`02:28.28`	`luciash`	`in preferences`
`02:28.50`	`luciash`	`font settings`
`02:29.32`	`jilocasin`	`luciash: font settings "display resolution" = system settings`
`02:30.05`	`luciash`	`well, firefox uses it from gnome then, check that out. sorry, 3:33 am here, gotta go, take some sleep`
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`02:31.03`	`luciash`	`good night all`
`02:31.07`	`jilocasin`	`bye`
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`02:42.08`	`computinchuck`	`hello, i just upgraded to 3.5 on slackware 10.2, and I'm having several problems getting things to run. some things are broken...`
`02:42.22`	`computinchuck`	`namely, the konsole says it can't allocate a PTY`
`02:43.08`	`aseigo`	computinchuck: what does this say for permissions: ls -l `kde-config --prefix`/bin/kgrantpty
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`02:44.08`	`htedrom`	`after meeting a young girl at a house party, things start getting hot and heavy in an upstairs bedroom....suddenly, his conscience comes into play.`
`02:44.58`	`computinchuck`	`aseigo: owned by root:root with sticky bit`
`02:45.15`	`aseigo`	`computinchuck: ok.. so that's not the problem`
`02:46.08`	`computinchuck`	`aseigo: KDE also seems to have trouble writing files, like, when i tried to write the notes.ics file in Kpim, it said it couldn't`
`02:46.13`	`aseigo`	`htedrom: that's asiago, but close`
`02:46.18`	`htedrom`	`hahaha`
`02:46.26`	`htedrom`	`yea, i know`
`02:46.41`	`htedrom`	`<3`
`02:46.52`	`aseigo`	`aw .. hearts for me!`
`02:46.57`	`htedrom`	`:)`
`02:46.58`	`computinchuck`	`hehe`
`02:47.49`	`aseigo`	`computinchuck: hm... yes, that's not healthy.. you DO have room on your filesystem right? =)`
`02:47.54`	`computinchuck`	`yes`
`02:47.58`	`computinchuck`	`pleanty`
`02:48.37`	`computinchuck`	`2 80GB drives oughtta be enough right ;)`
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`02:49.08`	`aseigo`	`computinchuck: assuming you have less than 160GB of data, yes ;)`
`02:49.18`	`computinchuck`	`hehe, yea`
`02:49.25`	`computinchuck`	`i have far less than that`
`02:50.00`	`aseigo`	`computinchuck: are there any errors in your logs ... e.g. your ~/.xession-errors file?`
`02:50.08`	`aseigo`	`(any errors that might be relevant that is)`
`02:50.28`	`aseigo`	`otherwise we may want to look for canllaith as she's the resident slackware expert`
`02:50.43`	`computinchuck`	`ok`
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`02:50.54`	`computinchuck`	`how am i gonna go about checking w/o a terminal?`
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`02:51.40`	`Ash-Fox`	`computinchuck, well, maybe you could do the thing with touching, like that guy does in the series "Dead zone"...`
`02:51.55`	`litage`	`when i put a cd in my cdrom, kscd successfully queries cddb/freedb. but when i play any of the tracks, i hear nothing. how can i fix this?`
`02:51.56`	`computinchuck`	`eh?`
`02:52.06`	`Ash-Fox`	`computinchuck, it's a joke ;)`
`02:52.08`	`aseigo`	`litage: try digital playback in the config dialog`
`02:52.10`	`computinchuck`	`hehe`
`02:52.33`	`htedrom`	`hey all, i changed the name of my desktop folder from Desktop to desktop...but a Dekstop directory still gets made every time i start kde`
`02:52.39`	`Ash-Fox`	`Why don't you open the file in kate or such?`
`02:52.44`	`htedrom`	`is there any way i can check what program makes it?`
`02:52.53`	`computinchuck`	`Ash-Fox: hehe, yea, just thought of that...`
`02:53.00`	`htedrom`	`when i say i changed the desktop directory, i mean i changed it in the control panel`
`02:53.04`	`htedrom`	`i didn't just rename it`
`02:53.19`	`litage`	`awesome, thanks aseigo`
`02:55.26`	`computinchuck`	`aseigo: well...the only error in .xsession-errors is "Unable to open a pseudo teletype!"`
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`02:57.30`	`Anonycat`	`Do Konqueror extensions serve similar purposes to Firefox ones, and if so where can I find a list of them?`
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`02:58.43`	`sunru`	`hi any users of korganizer?`
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`02:59.15`	`sunru`	`i cant seem to use it outside of kde if i do the event times are completely messed up.`
`03:00.45`	`htedrom`	`outside of kde?`
`03:00.46`	`computinchuck`	`aseigo: it also says "Uh oh.. can't get terminal attributes.."`
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`03:01.07`	`Salvo`	`does anyone have configured a printer working on lan under windows?`
`03:01.55`	`jhutchins`	`Salvo: Thousands of people do.`
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`03:02.24`	`canllaith`	`aseigo: mmm?`
`03:02.29`	`grepper`	`Anonycat: not sure what a konqueror extension is - there are various plugins in various places like kdeaddons`
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`03:02.43`	`Salvo`	`[jhutchins] i meant here in the channel connected that could help me`
`03:02.47`	`aseigo`	`canllaith: computinchuck has some issues with 3.5 on slackware...`
`03:03.12`	`canllaith`	`from source or packages?`
`03:03.14`	`aseigo`	`canllaith: in particular, konsole can't get a pty... kgrantpty is suid root, but he's getting: "Unable to open a pseudo teletype!" in .xessions-errors`
`03:03.28`	`jhutchins`	`Salvo: It usually works better if you state the problem or question, then people can answer it.`
`03:03.29`	`aseigo`	`computinchuck: i leave you in better slackware hands than mine =)`
`03:03.34`	`computinchuck`	`also "can't get terminal attributes"`
`03:03.39`	`canllaith`	`that sounds odd`
`03:03.47`	`canllaith`	`are these official packages that match your slackware version?`
`03:03.50`	`computinchuck`	`hehe, thanks aseigo`
`03:03.51`	`canllaith`	`mkay`
`03:03.55`	`Salvo`	`ok`
`03:04.03`	`computinchuck`	`canllaith: i downloaded them from kde.org`
`03:04.06`	`computinchuck`	`i have 10.2`
`03:04.20`	`canllaith`	`so they're not official`
`03:04.28`	`canllaith`	`are there official packages in -current yet?`
`03:04.29`	`computinchuck`	`i suppose not`
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`03:04.46`	`computinchuck`	`i haven't looked`
`03:04.52`	`wsjunior`	`not`
`03:05.16`	`jhutchins`	`Salvo: Like this: "`
`03:05.25`	`canllaith`	`I'd suggest you try some official packages if there are any`
`03:05.38`	`sunru`	`htedrom: yes korg doest times get messed up if i dont run it under kde`
`03:05.40`	`Salvo`	`i just have installed Kubuntu 5.10 and tried to configure the printer that is in other PC under Win98 in the lan, seems everything is ok just that doesn't print, kde says that the data was sent to the printer succesfully`
`03:05.41`	`canllaith`	`the ones that tend to get posted on kde.org aren't quite the same quality`
`03:05.45`	`jhutchins`	`printer is on a box running <OS, Version> and I want to print to it over <network medium> from a box running <OS, VErsion>`
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`03:06.03`	`computinchuck`	`canllaith: there aren't any`
`03:06.06`	`jhutchins`	`Yeah, like that.`
`03:06.20`	`jhutchins`	`Salvo: Does kubuntu have a samba lan browser?`
`03:06.48`	`Salvo`	`i am not sure, this is my first time`
`03:06.48`	`aseigo`	`jhutchins: lan:/`
`03:07.01`	`benJIman`	`Salvo: smb:/ if you don't have lisa running`
`03:07.03`	`Salvo`	`but seems so`
`03:07.14`	`aseigo`	`jhutchins: or... click on the system menu on the panel, then click on Remote Places`
`03:07.15`	`jhutchins`	`The URN for a printer on a windows box is usually smb://user:password@worgroup/pc/printer`
`03:07.52`	`computinchuck`	`canllaith: is there anyway to get it working w/o going back to 3.4? i'm kinda liking the new version`
`03:08.28`	`wsjunior`	`computinchuck: get the slackbuild script and compile the kde from source, that's the best thing to do, not the quickest though`
`03:08.48`	`Salvo`	`i've browsed on the lan with smb so i think it works, but i just can access the computers with winXP not the win98`
`03:09.03`	`canllaith`	`i'm afraid being a developer I have a source build of 3.5 branch`
`03:09.07`	`canllaith`	`and haven't even tried the slackpacks yet`
`03:09.43`	`jhutchins`	`iirc w98 uses slightly different authentication. You may have to set up a Linux box as a PDC and form a domain.`
`03:10.09`	`Salvo`	`i see`
`03:10.12`	`computinchuck`	`canllaith: ah ok`
`03:10.19`	`Salvo`	`thnx`
`03:10.32`	`Salvo`	`i guess i need help in my languaje :)`
`03:11.50`	`computinchuck`	`canllaith: what's the easiest way to build from source?`
`03:14.32`	`canllaith`	`sorry had lotion all over my hands (getting readey to go out)`
`03:14.35`	`canllaith`	`konstruct, probably`
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`03:15.11`	`canllaith`	`I'm afraid I do it by hand though, I haven't tried konstruct myself`
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`03:15.16`	`computinchuck`	`ok`
`03:16.05`	`computinchuck`	`you suppose i should remove kde before building?`
`03:16.47`	`canllaith`	`are you sure there are no packages in current?`
`03:16.58`	`canllaith`	`just seems odd, usually there are pretty quickly`
`03:17.13`	`StevenR`	`canllaith: !!`
`03:17.16`	`computinchuck`	`hmm, not as of now`
`03:17.49`	`computinchuck`	`maybe i just go back to 3.4 until they do come out with new ones`
`03:18.07`	`computinchuck`	`sigh`
`03:18.10`	`computinchuck`	`oops`
`03:18.19`	`computinchuck`	`heh, IRC is different than IM...`
`03:18.49`	`computinchuck`	`eh...i don't use IRC much`
`03:18.56`	`canllaith`	`StevenR: !`
`03:19.05`	`canllaith`	`are you using 3.5 slackpacks on slackware StevenR ?`
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`03:19.50`	`StevenR`	`nope, waiting for patV to make some`
`03:19.57`	`MrClever`	`Anyone know common reasons why Amarok would not fetch lyrics in the side-bar thing, but hitting the "Open in External Browser" button pulls up the lyrics?`
`03:20.01`	`canllaith`	`aha`
`03:20.17`	`StevenR`	`canllaith: I don't trust the kde.org contrib packs, packages from fargette have caused me far too many problems in the past`
`03:20.40`	`computinchuck`	`StevenR: they're causing me some trouble now`
`03:20.40`	`canllaith`	`Indeed`
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`03:21.14`	`StevenR`	`that's becuase he can't build packages. He should not be putting them on the kde ftp.`
`03:21.19`	`comradevik`	`if i run dcop through the server it doesnt work`
`03:21.22`	`comradevik`	`anyone know why`
`03:21.47`	`comradevik`	`i try to do exec("dcop"); and it wont work`
`03:21.51`	`computinchuck`	`sounds like back to 3.4 for a while until slackware gets some new packages`
`03:22.19`	`StevenR`	`comradevik: ftp://termserver.niesc.org/pub/sandman1/ here are good, known to work trusted packages`
`03:22.38`	`comradevik`	`for waht`
`03:23.14`	`StevenR`	`kde`
`03:23.35`	`StevenR`	`canllaith: hows things?`
`03:24.30`	`computinchuck`	`StevenR: are these your packages?`
`03:24.38`	`canllaith`	`yeah not bad`
`03:24.46`	`canllaith`	`about to leave the house right now I'm afraid`
`03:24.56`	`StevenR`	`computinchuck: no, they're sandman1's`
`03:25.23`	`StevenR`	`canllaith: cool..well i've finished my project, just have to write it up now`
`03:25.32`	`canllaith`	`neat!`
`03:25.39`	`canllaith`	`bah the weather here is soooo hot`
`03:26.02`	`Khaytsus`	`:-<`
`03:26.26`	`SMiLeaf`	`we got plenty of snow to spare here :)`
`03:26.30`	`canllaith`	`SadEagle: I could kiss you for that`
`03:26.31`	`StevenR`	`canllaith: it's getting colder here, apparently going to be very cold...so i might consider it slightly cool....`
`03:26.40`	`SMiLeaf`	`been snowing off and on for the past 4 days`
`03:27.42`	`SMiLeaf`	`canllaith: http://smileaf.org/images/dscn1276.jpg <--- taken yesterday. want some snow? :)`
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`03:28.08`	`Steve^`	`Can I password protect a folder?`
`03:28.32`	`SMiLeaf`	`Steve^: change it's username/group and permissions :)`
`03:29.18`	`Steve^`	`I only have myself as a user`
`03:29.31`	`Steve^`	`But if people were on my account, there are things I'd rather not have people see.`
`03:29.31`	`SMiLeaf`	`so add another one`
`03:29.54`	`Steve^`	`just like that/`
`03:30.09`	`Steve^`	`I only want a passworded folder, not an alternate way to log in`
`03:30.18`	`Steve^`	`It using my root password would be fine`
`03:30.35`	`SMiLeaf`	`check out /root/ .. you need root's password to get into that right? :)`
`03:30.56`	`SMiLeaf`	`ls: /root/: Permission denied`
`03:31.14`	`computinchuck`	`StevenR: can i get them using anonymous ftp?`
`03:31.17`	`Steve^`	`So, I just put the files in the root's home?`
`03:31.21`	`StevenR`	`computinchuck: yup`
`03:31.30`	`computinchuck`	`doesn't seem to be working`
`03:31.55`	`StevenR`	`computinchuck: works here, konqueror just opens it`
`03:32.01`	`SMiLeaf`	`Steve^: that's an idea yes.. or you could create a folder.. and use the same username/group and permissions on that file as /root/`
`03:32.22`	`computinchuck`	`StevenR: i'm having Kget download them and it's asking for a login, but it keeps failing`
`03:32.56`	`StevenR`	`computinchuck: anonymous and blank pass?`
`03:33.05`	`computinchuck`	`yea`
`03:33.15`	`computinchuck`	`oh wait...there it went`
`03:33.27`	`SMiLeaf`	`mkdir SecureDirectory && chown root:root && chmod 777 SecureDirectory <-- run something like that as root :)`
`03:33.35`	`computinchuck`	`it doesn't want to download arts though`
`03:34.08`	`Steve^`	`oo, thanks`
`03:34.11`	`SMiLeaf`	`Steve^: you could also take another idea of hidding the directory.`
`03:34.19`	`Steve^`	`I want it locked`
`03:34.24`	`Steve^`	`just locked.`
`03:34.26`	`Steve^`	`Easier`
`03:34.31`	`SMiLeaf`	`prepend a . :)`
`03:35.03`	`SMiLeaf`	`Steve^: well things get locked.. if you don't own them and you don't have read or enter permissions to them.`
`03:36.32`	`SMiLeaf`	`and I need to get to bed... I got 3-4 hours of sleep last night.. worked 5hrs and I have a 12hr work day tomarrow...`
`03:37.55`	`Steve^`	`missing operand after root:root`
`03:38.20`	`SMiLeaf`	`oh .. oops.. my bad.. but I'm sure you can figure that much out right? :)`
`03:38.41`	`Steve^`	`think so`
`03:38.50`	`Steve^`	`getting some random errors in my root shell`
`03:38.53`	`SMiLeaf`	`hint: .. you have to tell it what to change the ownership of.`
`03:38.56`	`Steve^`	`yea`
`03:39.04`	`Steve^`	`but now the folder exists :P`
`03:39.15`	`SMiLeaf`	`so? .. remove the mkdir then!`
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`03:40.11`	`Steve^`	`I can get into it`
`03:40.13`	`Steve^`	`hmm`
`03:40.33`	`Steve^`	`maybe it still remembers I logged in as root`
`03:40.34`	`SMiLeaf`	`LOL .. I'm more tired than I thought..`
`03:40.44`	`SMiLeaf`	`chmod 700 not 777...`
`03:42.10`	`Steve^`	`seems to work, thanks`
`03:42.16`	`SMiLeaf`	`if you wanna know what the numbers mean.. 7/0/0 = user/group/world`
`03:42.22`	`Steve^`	`now people just see my thoughts locked away. Only for me. Good.`
`03:42.27`	`Steve^`	`Oh`
`03:42.41`	`Steve^`	`I thought it was read/write/execute. Without really thinking. Thanks :P`
`03:42.59`	`SMiLeaf`	`4 = read, 2 = write, 1 = execute .. if you want read and write it's 4+2 so you'd use 6`
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`03:43.01`	`Steve^`	`oh yes, 7 means them`
`03:43.15`	`Steve^`	`silly FTP clients remove all the brain power`
`03:44.08`	`Steve^`	`I need to sleep on some things.. thanks for the help`
`03:44.49`	`SMiLeaf`	`touch a && chmod 421 a && ls -l a && rm a`
`03:44.57`	`SMiLeaf`	`just to verify what I said ;)`
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`03:46.15`	`lord_crow`	`again with kde-look and kde-apps down ???`
`03:46.23`	`lord_crow`	`what is going on???`
`03:46.45`	`SMiLeaf`	`lord_crow: they don't like us anymore`
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`03:47.13`	`SadEagle`	`lord_crow: machine blew up, see kde-core-devel archives for more info`
`03:47.16`	`SMiLeaf`	`lord_crow: j/k btw`
`03:47.29`	`straw`	`oh no... :(`
`03:47.35`	`lord_crow`	`that's bad`
`03:47.50`	`SMiLeaf`	`SadEagle: again? :/ .. what have they been doing with that machine :S`
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`03:50.06`	`bouncing`	`How does one configure KWM's key bindings?`
`03:50.28`	`SMiLeaf`	`bouncing: kcontrol`
`03:51.16`	`bouncing`	`weird -- why is that different than "System Settings"?`
`03:51.35`	`SadEagle`	`bouncing: because you're using Kubuntu?`
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`03:51.50`	`bouncing`	`yes.`
`03:52.01`	`bouncing`	`and, I'm not seeing anything relevant for kwm key bindings`
`03:52.02`	`Oleg_`	`canllaith!`
`03:52.12`	`SadEagle`	`bouncing: they deemed the "system settings" app more user friendly then kcontrol.`
`03:52.19`	`SadEagle`	`bouncing: it's missing some stuff though.`
`03:52.24`	`SadEagle`	`as for key bindings.. one sec.`
`03:52.42`	`bouncing`	`SadEagle: heh - random`
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`03:53.16`	`SadEagle`	`bouncing: heh, you get to use the worst placed module in kcontrol`
`03:53.30`	`SadEagle`	`bouncing: Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout`
`03:53.41`	`SadEagle`	`s/Layout/Shortcuts, rather`
`03:53.46`	`bouncing`	`SadEagle: ah, found it. thanks.`
`03:53.53`	`SadEagle`	`'welcome.`
`03:53.58`	`bouncing`	`SadEagle: I guess I kind of expected it to be under Window Manager or something`
`03:54.09`	`bouncing`	`sweet`
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`04:03.06`	`Jim__`	`is there a way to customize the font on the digital clock... like make it shorter... its on its own toolbar`
`04:03.34`	`Jim__`	`damn im stupid... i just figured it out nevermind`
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`04:04.57`	`TheBloub`	`Hi all`
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`04:08.28`	`TheBloub`	`sy`
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`04:17.49`	`Tomasu`	`are kde-look and apps down ?`
`04:18.07`	`Tomasu`	`all I get are empty pages`
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`04:40.41`	`Uberbot`	`Does Konqueror support transparent png or gif?`
`04:42.24`	`SadEagle`	`yes`
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`04:44.30`	`Uberbot`	`I created a transparent png and only got a with background in Konqueror. I guess I flubbed the graphic file. Thanx.`
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`04:48.24`	`Uberbot`	`Thanx.`
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`05:14.50`	`AnotherData`	`kde-look and apps back down?`
`05:17.34`	`Skrot`	`so it seems`
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`06:45.52`	`omi`	`Can someone code a KObject that does filing. This object should be used by other applications, should be an extension of Treeview of something similar. This object should allow creation of categories, ordering hierarchies of categories and dragging other objects into multiple categories.`
`06:46.15`	`omi`	`I'm pissed off that I cannot file my emails into multiple categories`
`06:46.33`	`omi`	`I can also see this being useful in many other applications where any categorization is needed`
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`06:50.24`	`aseigo`	`omi: already in the works for kde4. we'll see how deep into the various apps it gets.`
`06:50.40`	`aseigo`	`omi: and if you're "pissed off" about email org, you've got a pretty decent life going ;)`
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`06:52.46`	`omi`	`email is just one of the apps`
`06:53.07`	`omi`	`the fact that I haven't seen a decent document filing application also is depressing`
`06:53.19`	`omi`	`many other places where this would just fix it`
`06:53.42`	`omi`	`that makes me sad, that a simple and general extension of treeview cannot be done`
`06:53.57`	`straw`	`do it yourself, then`
`06:54.00`	`omi`	`and instead devs spend lots of time on polishing something`
`06:54.41`	`omi`	`well, I have a pretty decent life going being pissed off about email org, that I'm not able to do other tasks.`
`06:54.47`	`omi`	`:D`
`06:54.54`	`straw`	`whatever`
`06:55.04`	`omi`	`well, I'm sure there are more qualified devs to handle this`
`06:55.34`	`straw`	`file a wish`
`06:55.56`	`omi`	`aseigo said it's in the works for kde4`
`06:56.41`	`straw`	`ok, so maybe there's an open wish/bug you could comment on`
`06:56.46`	`omi`	`of coarse`
`06:56.51`	`aseigo`	`since you then have to map data that's not in the file to a possibly moving set of data`
`06:57.14`	`aseigo`	`not to mention make setting up those tags, etc ... viable .. and the people will obviously want to reuse tags between apps`
`06:57.31`	`aseigo`	`though if you look at digikam and the music players out there, the beginnings can be seen`
`06:57.39`	`omi`	`I'm saying for at least 80% of apps that I thought lacked filing ability, taking treeview class and adding ability to place a node into 2+ categories would be satisfactory`
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`06:59.59`	`omi`	`I assume this should be a 1.saving system, 2 browsing/searching/updating system. kio slave that feeds both? although I find kioslaves very slow...`
`07:00.04`	`omi`	`but convinient..`
`07:00.11`	`omi`	`and simple`
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`07:02.32`	`straw`	`hm, as of gcc 4.0.2 all the tests pass if i pass --enable-gcc-hidden-visibility`
`07:02.55`	`straw`	`arts can't deal with it, though it seems`
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`07:06.59`	`fatejudger`	`when is KDE going to support tab reordering?`
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`07:09.18`	`aseigo`	`fatejudger: in konqueror?`
`07:09.43`	`aseigo`	`fatejudger: try -> ctrl+shift+left/right`
`07:10.14`	`fatejudger`	`aseigo: I meant drag and drop`
`07:10.26`	`aseigo`	`fatejudger: DnD is for moving URLs.`
`07:10.34`	`fatejudger`	`aseigo: doesn't QT 4 have native support for that kind of stuff?`
`07:10.56`	`fatejudger`	`aseigo: hmm, that works`
`07:11.07`	`aseigo`	`fatejudger: for what kind of stuff? DnD'ing tabs? that's possible now. it was decided to use DnD for the content, not the tab`
`07:11.08`	`fatejudger`	`aseigo: but I would think that it would be more natural for drag and drop to be a reorder`
`07:11.17`	`aseigo`	`fatejudger: so shortcuts are the only way to do tab reordering in konq`
`07:11.21`	`fatejudger`	`aseigo: but you can't swap`
`07:11.26`	`fatejudger`	`aseigo: it's only useful if you can swap`
`07:12.07`	`aseigo`	`only useful if you can swap?`
`07:12.11`	`fatejudger`	`aseigo: yeah`
`07:12.28`	`fatejudger`	`aseigo: say you want one webpage in a tab, and other in the one you just moved from`
`07:12.46`	`fatejudger`	`aseigo: eh, that probably wouldn't make sense to most people`
`07:13.00`	`fatejudger`	`aseigo: still, I think there ought to at least be an option for drag 'n drop tab reordering`
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`07:53.57`	`Jim__`	`hey, when you make one of the mouse buttons on desktop behaivor have a custom menu can you make it open up firefox to a certain page and have it show the name`
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`07:54.22`	`Jim__`	`cause I got it working with the application set to firefox www.yahoo.com or whatever, but it just says firefox`
`07:59.38`	`chakie_work`	`hm, i have two fish:// urls i use. one stopped working after upgrading to kde 3.5`
`07:59.55`	`chakie_work`	`just doesn't connect anywhere, the other works normally`
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`08:12.10`	`mr-rich`	`fish:// is COOL`
`08:13.01`	`mr-rich`	`fish:// is COOL`
`08:13.08`	`mr-rich`	`wtf?`
`08:13.24`	`mr-rich`	`Hello?`
`08:14.25`	`mr-rich`	`am I here`
`08:14.27`	`mr-rich`	`no`
`08:14.50`	`mr-rich`	`aha ...`
`08:15.02`	`treat`	`eh?`
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`08:22.20`	`chakie_work`	`yes, fish:// is cool if it works`
`08:22.49`	`chakie_work`	`currently, i see no reason why it wouldn't work. the account is ok, the url is fine. it just doesn't work`
`08:23.08`	`chakie_work`	`things like this makes one doubt linux on the desktop`
`08:24.17`	`Jim__`	`if i have kde 3.4.2 what packages do i look for to update to 3.5 sorry im new to linux and what im seeing in kpackage is kde with a version 5.45`
`08:24.20`	`philhsmith`	`question for gentoo, 3.5.0. I accidentally added Add New Panel -> Dock Application Bar (thinking it was just a Panel), but I don't have any window maker stuff installed. The bar shows up, stark white and unresponsive, without an obvious way to get rid of it.. How do I turn it off?`
`08:24.29`	`chakie_work`	`fine if it doesn't work, but at least give me an error. now nothing ever happens, and directly clicking on a shortcut icon on the desktop does nothing at all`
`08:26.06`	`philhsmith`	`nm. I can now officially read the remove panel menu..`
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`08:27.30`	`mobtek`	`chakie_work: yeah it's stuffed here for me too`
`08:27.43`	`chakie_work`	`mobtek: fish?`
`08:27.50`	`mobtek`	`no the dock application bar`
`08:28.26`	`mobtek`	`fish works fine for me under gentoo`
`08:30.00`	`mobtek`	`<aseigo> mobtek: right click on a panel -> remove panel -> dockbar`
`08:30.03`	`mobtek`	`chakie_work: ^^`
`08:30.13`	`chakie_work`	`mobtek: hm, so what is stuffed for yuu too?`
`08:30.26`	`chakie_work`	`"you"`
`08:30.35`	`mobtek`	`sorry I was reading philsmith's question`
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`08:32.27`	`Jim__`	`is there somewhere I can configure the horizontal size of the taskbar buttons`
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`08:32.41`	`aseigo`	`Jim__: you can configure the maximum size, yes`
`08:33.05`	`Jim__`	`where at?`
`08:33.49`	`aseigo`	`Jim__: taskbarrc ... in the [General] group.. MaximumButtonWidth=<value>`
`08:34.05`	`Jim__`	`thank you very much :)`
`08:34.25`	`stjepan`	`does anyone of you use baghira?`
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`08:40.20`	`Jim__`	`hmm aseigo, where is that im looking through the taskbar settings and the control center and cant seem to locate it`
`08:40.42`	`aseigo`	`Jim__: you need to edit the file by hand. it's not in the GUI`
`08:40.52`	`aseigo`	`dcopquit kicker`
`08:41.32`	`aseigo`	then edit `kde-config --localprefix`/share/config/ktaskbarrc
`08:41.35`	`aseigo`	`and add that item`
`08:41.39`	`aseigo`	`then start kicker again`
`08:42.01`	`aseigo`	`or.. you could just edit the file and do: dcop kicker kicker configure`
`08:42.21`	`Jim__`	`how do you start the kicker again?`
`08:42.49`	`aseigo`	`kicker`
`08:43.03`	`aseigo`	`(that's the command =)`
`08:43.08`	`aseigo`	`(and why we call it 'kicker')`
`08:43.21`	`Jim__`	`thanks very much :)`
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`09:15.25`	`Jim_`	`is there a way to lock the kicker and such in place similair to lock taskbar in windows xp?`
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`09:16.08`	`hagabaka`	`isn't it locked for you?`
`09:16.50`	`Jim_`	`no you just click and drag it around`
`09:16.56`	`Jim_`	`or atleast i can`
`09:19.26`	`Jim_`	`one other question, if i used to right click the desktop there was a refresh desktop but now theres not, the right button is set to desktop menu.. is there a reason? or is it because I turned off desktop icons`
`09:20.10`	`Jim_`	`hmm it appears it is, but how else can I remove the trash? just delete it?`
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`09:25.24`	`straw`	`Jim_: yes. it's relatively easy to restore it`
`09:26.30`	`Jim_`	`thanks straw`
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`09:29.48`	`_nano_`	`any good blogging clients for kde?`
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`09:32.00`	`Jim_`	`would someone be able to help me out updating my kde from 3.4.2 to 3.5 so I dont completely screw things up, its confusing me because i dotn have the package kde installed or kdelibs but someother kdelib something another and dont know which to choose`
`09:33.20`	`chakie_work`	`Jim_: start with telling what distro you run`
`09:34.32`	`Jim_`	`mepis`
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`10:41.14`	`Roman123`	`Is there an option to set the grid for the desktop icons?`
`10:42.42`	`Roman123`	`I have here a couple of icons where the name is not spelled out, e.g., "Multiphysi..." instead of "Multiphysics".`
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`11:09.30`	`Roman123`	`Found it`
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`11:26.27`	`zChris`	`when i open a folder in kde the folder opens in the corners of the desktop, how can i make the folders open where i last closed them? :P`
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`11:49.42`	`DaBlade`	`Hello`
`11:49.50`	`DaBlade`	`I have a serious problem with KDE.`
`11:50.02`	`DaBlade`	`It wont start`
`11:50.45`	`DaBlade`	`When X starts, I see ksplash running, then it either freezes on 60%, 100% or I see the desktop, superkaramba and everything, but its all frozen`
`11:50.57`	`DaBlade`	`And the only thing I can do is move the mouse. Not click on anything.`
`11:51.13`	`DaBlade`	`I had to switch to runlevel 3 to get back control`
`11:51.40`	`DaBlade`	`Can anyone help me out please`
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`11:56.43`	`DaBlade`	`Anyone, please`
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`12:24.29`	`grepper`	`DaBlade: check user's ~/.xsession-errors`
`12:27.44`	`DaBlade`	`k`
`12:27.59`	`DaBlade`	`Xsession: X session started for dablade at Fri Dec 16 12:48:34 CET 2005`
`12:28.00`	`DaBlade`	`xterm: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server ":0.0"`
`12:29.07`	`Andur`	`DaBlade, did you enable XComposite or RenderAccel on xorg.conf ?`
`12:29.35`	`DaBlade`	`Andur, I havent changed a thing in xorg.conf since it was working`
`12:30.20`	`Andur`	`you didn't enable transparency, shadows or anything, right?`
`12:30.28`	`Andur`	`then I can't help, sorry :-/`
`12:30.37`	`DaBlade`	`Dammit`
`12:30.41`	`Andur`	`maybe check dmesg output`
`12:30.45`	`Andur`	`when it freezes`
`12:30.47`	`DaBlade`	`then its back to what I was doing before grepper replied`
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`12:30.58`	`DaBlade`	`cd kdelibs-3.5.0/`
`12:31.04`	`DaBlade`	`make`
`12:31.18`	`grepper`	`which kde is this ?`
`12:31.25`	`DaBlade`	`I have 3.4`
`12:31.28`	`DaBlade`	`compiling 3.5`
`12:31.36`	`grepper`	`this is a new install of 3.4 ?`
`12:32.05`	`DaBlade`	`No, it came with the distro`
`12:32.12`	`DaBlade`	`Ive used it for months`
`12:32.29`	`grepper`	`what distro ? Upgraded anything else lately ?`
`12:32.34`	`DaBlade`	`SimplyMEPIS Linux`
`12:32.40`	`DaBlade`	`Yeah, I did run apt-get upgrade yesterday`
`12:32.51`	`DaBlade`	`but nothing KDE related changed`
`12:33.00`	`grepper`	`"apt-get -f install" is happy ?`
`12:33.04`	`DaBlade`	`some apps like splashy, directfb, openoffice, and so on...`
`12:33.35`	`DaBlade`	`odd... -f install is installing apt-utils`
`12:34.05`	`DaBlade`	`and a bunch of other stuff`
`12:34.35`	`grepper`	`might be just an incomplete upgrade - cross you fingers`
`12:34.45`	`Andur`	`I always use Synaptic`
`12:34.51`	`DaBlade`	`Me too`
`12:34.52`	`Andur`	`set on dist-upgrade mode`
`12:34.57`	`DaBlade`	`I did upgrade with synaptic..`
`12:34.57`	`grepper`	`otherwise check disk space with "df -h" especially /tmp's partition`
`12:35.02`	`Andur`	`btw, I'm using 3.5 packages on mepis, too`
`12:35.11`	`DaBlade`	`packages?`
`12:35.17`	`DaBlade`	`Im compiling it from source now.`
`12:35.19`	`Andur`	`you have experimental binaries on alioth, yeah`
`12:35.24`	`DaBlade`	`I know that`
`12:35.34`	`Andur`	`the packages work fine for me`
`12:35.38`	`DaBlade`	`but theres a problem with my apt setup that disallows me upgrading`
`12:35.41`	`DaBlade`	`and thats a2ps`
`12:35.45`	`DaBlade`	`I cant remove`
`12:35.54`	`DaBlade`	`it, I cant upgrade it, I cant do anything`
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`12:36.09`	`DaBlade`	`it always stops my apt-get upgrade`
`12:36.11`	`Andur`	`heh, I had enabled composite and renderaccel, and the whole system froze right in the middle of a dist-upgrade`
`12:36.19`	`_nano_`	`could anybody successfuly compile kblogger?`
`12:36.37`	`Andur`	`it was "fun" trying to repair that, but it's fixed now after 2 days :-)`
`12:36.55`	`DaBlade`	`Andur, how do I fix the a2ps issue?`
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`12:37.50`	`Andur`	`no idea, I just tried everything on Synaptic 'till it worked :-)`
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`12:38.11`	`Andur`	`maybe you can version lock that single package?`
`12:38.16`	`Andur`	`have you tried that?`
`12:38.21`	`DaBlade`	`Andur, can I do that with apt?`
`12:38.29`	`DaBlade`	`I thought I could only do it with Synaptic`
`12:38.42`	`Andur`	`you can't use synaptic?`
`12:38.49`	`DaBlade`	`I got no X`
`12:39.01`	`DaBlade`	`Why else would I be here?`
`12:39.05`	`DaBlade`	`KDE not worky`
`12:39.13`	`Andur`	`you can't start KDE or you can't start any X session?`
`12:39.24`	`Andur`	`I mean`
`12:39.31`	`DaBlade`	`I can start X`
`12:39.32`	`DaBlade`	`but not KDE`
`12:39.38`	`DaBlade`	`KDE freezes during startup`
`12:39.44`	`Andur`	`well, then you can use synaptic`
`12:40.01`	`DaBlade`	`not when I got no ther window manager or desktop environment`
`12:40.12`	`Andur`	xinit `which synaptic` -- :1 or something
`12:40.13`	`DaBlade`	`AFAIK Xorg alone doesnt load GTK stuff`
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`12:40.29`	`Andur`	`you can start firefox on its own`
`12:40.33`	`Andur`	`for example`
`12:40.38`	`Andur`	`I do it a lot when gaming`
`12:40.56`	`Andur`	`to have a browsing desktop while I wait to respawn :-)`
`12:41.10`	`Andur`	`and I don't want the full KDE loaded, for performance`
`12:41.42`	`Andur`	I just do xinit `which xqf`-- :0 on one screen
`12:41.46`	`Andur`	`normally F7`
`12:41.49`	`DaBlade`	`Okay.`
`12:41.59`	`DaBlade`	`But now Im compiling aRts`
`12:42.06`	`Andur`	and xinit `which firefox`-- :1 on the other screen
`12:42.13`	`DaBlade`	`running startx would bring the system to a virtual halt`
`12:42.16`	`thiago`	`full KDE loaded == better performance`
`12:42.20`	`Discordian`	`DaBlade: you can not remove a2ps? did you try "dpkg --purge a2ps" ?`
`12:42.21`	`thiago`	`not the other way around`
`12:42.41`	`Andur`	`not for gaming in my experience`
`12:43.01`	`Andur`	`I have at least 70 extra megs of ram without KDE`
`12:43.07`	`Andur`	`and I can allocate those to the game`
`12:43.08`	`DaBlade`	`whats the paste quota in this channel?`
`12:43.16`	`DaBlade`	`3 lines per sec?`
`12:43.23`	`Andur`	`with kvirc you can "slow paste"`
`12:43.31`	`DaBlade`	`I usually use konversati`
`12:43.36`	`DaBlade`	`on, but now Im on IRSSI`
`12:43.49`	`Andur`	`xinit which xchat :-)`
`12:43.57`	`DaBlade`	`xchat aint installed`
`12:44.41`	`Andur`	`kvirc then`
`12:44.42`	`DaBlade`	`root@tty4[grub]# dpkg --purge a2ps`
`12:44.42`	`DaBlade`	`(Reading database ... 92380 files and directories currently installed.)`
`12:44.42`	`DaBlade`	`Removing a2ps ...`
`12:44.50`	`DaBlade`	`ERROR: emacsen-common being used before being configured.`
`12:44.50`	`DaBlade`	`ERROR: This is likely a bug in the a2ps package, which needs to`
`12:44.50`	`DaBlade`	`ERROR: add one of the appropriate dependencies.`
`12:44.59`	`DaBlade`	`ERROR: for details.`
`12:44.59`	`DaBlade`	`dpkg: error processing a2ps (--purge): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2`
`12:45.12`	`DaBlade`	`Errors were encountered while processing: a2ps`
`12:45.12`	`DaBlade`	`root@tty4[grub]#`
`12:45.21`	`Andur`	`dpkg --purge emacsen-common ?`
`12:45.25`	`DaBlade`	`wont work`
`12:45.29`	`DaBlade`	`as a2ps depends on it`
`12:45.32`	`DaBlade`	`already tried`
`12:45.42`	`Andur`	`dpkg --reconfigure emacsen-common ?`
`12:45.52`	`thiago`	`DaBlade: I used to use GTK-based apps as a necessity, now I don't anymore`
`12:45.53`	`DaBlade`	`hmm...theres an idea`
`12:46.00`	`thiago`	`they somehow broke and I have no idea how to fix them`
`12:46.19`	`DaBlade`	`thiago, this has happened in every MEPIS installation ive had so far`
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`12:46.46`	`thiago`	`neither Emacs nor a2ps are KDE programs`
`12:46.47`	`DaBlade`	`root@tty4[grub]# dpkg-reconfigure emacsen-common`
`12:46.47`	`DaBlade`	`ERROR: emacsen-common being used before being configured.`
`12:46.47`	`DaBlade`	`ERROR: This is likely a bug in the emacsen-common package, which needs to`
`12:46.53`	`thiago`	`please stop pasting this here.`
`12:46.54`	`_nano_`	`is there a way to make firefox look like a kde app?`
`12:46.59`	`DaBlade`	`sorry, I wont`
`12:47.12`	`DaBlade`	`nano, install a KDE like theme`
`12:47.15`	`Andur`	`my mepis is working, although using the official debian kernel and alioth KDE, I don't think this should be named mepis anymore :-)`
`12:47.18`	`DaBlade`	`look through addons.mozilla.org`
`12:47.21`	`thiago`	`_nano_: install the Plastik icons, find a way to make the buttons reverse order`
`12:47.53`	`grepper`	`DaBlade: rename the a2ps preremoval script`
`12:48.02`	`_nano_`	`thiago: I did install plastik, but it just affects the icons, the fonts and all still make it look like a gtk app :(`
`12:48.14`	`thiago`	`_nano_: also ask in a Firefox forum how to move the Preferences menu entry to the correct menu (i.e., not Edit)`
`12:48.20`	`DaBlade`	`installed aRts, configuring kdelibs`
`12:48.24`	`thiago`	`_nano_: sorry, I meant Crystal icons`
`12:48.51`	`thiago`	`_nano_: also mind you that Firefox is a gtk app. It will never stop looking like a GTK app as long as it is a GTK app.`
`12:48.59`	`thiago`	`_nano_: I recommend you switch to Konqueror.`
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`12:49.31`	`DaBlade`	`how long does kdelibs take to compile on a 2GHz computer?`
`12:49.31`	`Andur`	`I'd like a way to use the KDE file picker with firefox`
`12:49.32`	`_nano_`	`thiago: do you guys face problems in konqueror, it sometimes doesn't load sites`
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`12:49.41`	`Andur`	`is that possible with an extension?`
`12:49.42`	`DaBlade`	`although mine is 1.9, but its approximate`
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`12:50.06`	`grepper`	`DaBlade: mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/a2ps.prerm /var/lib/dpkg/info/a2ps.prerm.bk ; Then remove a2ps`
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`12:50.16`	`Andur`	`I used to use a kde file picker extension for aMSN, nifty`
`12:50.23`	`thiago`	`_nano_: no, it works fine.`
`12:50.33`	`thiago`	`Andur: possible, yes`
`12:50.40`	`thiago`	`but hackish.`
`12:50.51`	`Andur`	`I only like the KDE file picker`
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`12:51.03`	`Andur`	`hey, worked like a charm for aMSN`
`12:51.13`	`thiago`	`that's completely understandable, given the state of the "competition" in that domain`
`12:51.24`	`Andur`	`I had stopped using it because sending pictures through MSN was a nightmare`
`12:51.33`	`Andur`	`with the kde file picker it's much better`
`12:52.01`	`Andur`	`well, the windows file picker is usable, too :-)`
`12:52.26`	`Andur`	`I suppose an extension that just calls kdialog is possible`
`12:52.50`	`thiago`	`Andur: which one of them? The one that some apps use or the one MS Office apps use?`
`12:53.02`	`thiago`	`Andur: and you mean the one that works in IE but not on Firefox?`
`12:53.06`	`Andur`	`the one that has photo preview`
`12:53.09`	`Andur`	`:-)`
`12:53.21`	`Andur`	`having that is enough for the use that I'm referring to`
`12:53.38`	`Andur`	`not having preview mode is dumb on a 2005 file picker IMO`
`12:53.48`	`thiago`	`beh`
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`12:54.47`	`Andur`	`btw, a feature of kvirc that I didn't see on konversation: you click a button and enters/quits on the channel move to a separate window`
`12:55.02`	`Andur`	`it makes big channels readable`
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`13:01.15`	`cpw`	`I just ignore join/parts completely`
`13:01.38`	`sorush20`	`reply button on yahoo.co.uk mail doen't work`
`13:01.47`	`sorush20`	`google maps doen't work in konqueror`
`13:01.50`	`cpw`	`if I'm that worried about who joins, I just put them on my watched nicks list :P`
`13:01.54`	`sorush20`	`in konqueror`
`13:02.01`	`Andur`	`GMail didn't work either last time I tried`
`13:02.19`	`PhilRod`	`for google sites, you generally need to identify as safari`
`13:02.30`	`grepper`	`gmail works fine, just some of the functions don't work`
`13:02.33`	`Andur`	`that's the point, cpw, I don't want to see something that I'm going to ignore anyway... just like spam`
`13:02.43`	`PhilRod`	`I'm not sure whether that works completely, but I'm told it works to some extent`
`13:03.00`	`cpw`	`safari.. :P..`
`13:03.02`	`Andur`	`GMail work in HTML mode, but not in AJAX mode`
`13:03.08`	`grepper`	`ie. I can read my mail fine, delete mail etc`
`13:03.11`	`PhilRod`	`Andur: you can switch join/parts off completely in konversation`
`13:03.28`	`Andur`	`but I don't want to do that, I want the kvirc way :-)`
`13:03.45`	`Andur`	`navermind, I'll just keep using kvirc as long as it's maintained`
`13:03.57`	`cpw`	`Andur: There's a "Redirect all status messages to the server status window", not sure if that does join parts though`
`13:04.17`	`cpw`	`"status messages" is somewhat of a vauge term :p`
`13:04.20`	`Andur`	`yup, grepper, you can use GMail in basic HTML view, just like Dillo and Amaya and...`
`13:04.22`	`DaBlade`	`goddamn kdelibs is taking a lot of time to compile`
`13:04.30`	`Andur`	`normally hours, yes`
`13:04.35`	`DaBlade`	`oh crap...`
`13:04.38`	`cpw`	`use unsermake :P`
`13:04.42`	`DaBlade`	`Someone tell me how to remove a2ps`
`13:04.53`	`DaBlade`	`Oh shit...Im using GNU make`
`13:05.19`	`Andur`	`there's a way to tell GMail not to do any browser check at all`
`13:05.30`	`_nano_`	`thiago: is there a konqueror equivalent of firefox adblock and popup block?`
`13:05.40`	`Andur`	`if you use that url, you get AJAX mode on every browser, compatible or not`
`13:05.48`	`Andur`	`Konqueror 3.5 doesn't work`
`13:06.07`	`Andur`	`_nano_, konqueror 3.5 has adblock builtin`
`13:06.23`	`Andur`	`and it has had popup blocking since 3.0 at least`
`13:07.08`	`grepper`	`Andur: I think I just said that :)`
`13:07.23`	`Andur`	`I really like konqui, but its javascript module or something just chokes on a lot of pages`
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`13:07.50`	`Andur`	`I can read my mail fine, delete mail <-you can do that in HTML mode`
`13:08.03`	`Andur`	`if I turn to AJAX mode, I CAN'T read my mail`
`13:08.04`	`grepper`	`correct`
`13:08.15`	`Andur`	`I click on a mail and nothing happens`
`13:08.21`	`grepper`	`don't do that then`
`13:08.25`	`Andur`	`:-)`
`13:08.55`	`Andur`	`no, I just use firefox for gmail and bloglines`
`13:09.04`	`Andur`	`and konqueror and opera for everything else`
`13:09.12`	`grepper`	`what is so great about "ajax" mode ?`
`13:09.18`	`Andur`	`it's faster`
`13:09.31`	`grepper`	`seems fast enough for me as it is`
`13:09.36`	`DaBlade`	`One word: Fasterfox`
`13:09.37`	`grepper`	`but yeah, sometimes I use firefox`
`13:09.46`	`DaBlade`	`Install that extension, it turbo-charges Firefox`
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`13:09.57`	`DaBlade`	`although it puts a lot of strain on servers`
`13:10.04`	`CVirus`	`how can I configure those KDE sounds ?!`
`13:10.06`	`Andur`	`yeah, it also does a small denial of service on every webserver you visit`
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`13:10.31`	`Andur`	`kcontrol - sounds -notifications CVirus`
`13:10.37`	`DaBlade`	`but you get a good speed. :P`
`13:10.41`	`thiago`	`_nano_: yes, both`
`13:11.05`	`CVirus`	`Andur, I mean those sounds that appear when I minimize or maximize a window and such other things`
`13:11.14`	`Aiwlan`	`g'bhe. SuSE 10.0. KDE 3.5. K3b is giving me the error "K3b did not find a suitable writer. You will only be able to create an image."`
`13:11.42`	`Andur`	`yes, CVirus`
`13:11.43`	`Aiwlan`	`I've burned CD's fine before. I haven't done anything that'd mess with K3B`
`13:11.57`	`DaBlade`	`maybe your burner is broken`
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`13:12.18`	`Andur`	`kcontrol - sounds -notifications - KDE window admnistration, or whatever it's called (I use a spanish locale)`
`13:12.29`	`Andur`	`you have events for everything kwin`
`13:12.36`	`Andur`	`max, min, close, open etc`
`13:12.38`	`Aiwlan`	`I was burning CD's half an hour ago..`
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`13:13.03`	`DaBlade`	`I was using my USB extension card two days ago, yesterday it decided to die on me`
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`13:13.14`	`Andur`	`personally I don't use sound, because I don't want to use the arts daemon`
`13:13.16`	`DaBlade`	`Hardware failure is often pretty random. :P`
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`13:13.36`	`Aiwlan`	`when I go to "devices" under the configuration menu it can see it`
`13:13.38`	`Andur`	`I'll wait till KDE uses aplay, gstreamer or whatever doesn't require a sound server`
`13:13.53`	`Aiwlan`	`the CDrecorder drive can read - I know that much`
`13:13.54`	`DaBlade`	`Xine. :D`
`13:14.03`	`Andur`	`or xine yeah`
`13:14.21`	`Andur`	`I suppose that KDE will be like amaroK`
`13:14.29`	`DaBlade`	`I certainly hope so`
`13:14.39`	`Andur`	`you can use arts, or gstreamer, or xine, or ...`
`13:14.49`	`DaBlade`	`I hope aRts is dropped entirely real soon`
`13:15.01`	`Andur`	`BUT, artsd is good for one thing`
`13:15.10`	`Andur`	`when you have two oss apps`
`13:15.16`	`DaBlade`	`Not quite`
`13:15.24`	`DaBlade`	`you can install aoss to redirect oss sounds to ALSA`
`13:15.27`	`Andur`	`and you want both accessing the suond card at the same time`
`13:15.28`	`lippel`	`in amarok, only half of the engines works and is supported :P`
`13:15.31`	`DaBlade`	`then install the alsa-dmix plugin`
`13:15.37`	`DaBlade`	`which makes ALSA the sound server`
`13:15.40`	`CVirus`	`guys .. the notification sounds suddenly stopped working and as I can see in the control center that they are enabled`
`13:15.57`	`Andur`	`no, that doesn't work for everything, DaBlade, namely quake3/enemy territory and TeamSpeak`
`13:16.14`	`Andur`	`arts on mmap mode does work`
`13:16.15`	`DaBlade`	`Im sure theres a ESD thing for it too`
`13:16.19`	`Andur`	`using 60% cpu, but works`
`13:16.49`	`Andur`	`yes, well, you can use esdplay instead of artsplay for the same thing`
`13:17.00`	`Andur`	`I'm not sure if it will work, though`
`13:17.08`	`DaBlade`	`Andur, not what I mean`
`13:17.11`	`Andur`	`a better aoss wrapper would be better`
`13:17.22`	`DaBlade`	`I mean an app that redirects EsounD sens to ALSA`
`13:17.31`	`DaBlade`	`And again into the dmix plugin`
`13:17.52`	`Andur`	`that doesn't work for Enemy Territory and TeamSpeak`
`13:17.53`	`DaBlade`	`like aesd. lol`
`13:17.57`	`Andur`	`believe me, I tried :-)`
`13:18.02`	`DaBlade`	`what do those use?`
`13:18.14`	`Andur`	`both oss`
`13:18.21`	`DaBlade`	`aoss?`
`13:18.31`	`Andur`	`doesn't work for these`
`13:18.43`	`Andur`	`I'm off to lunch, cya`
`13:18.49`	`DaBlade`	`ok... maybe using free software would solve that. :P`
`13:19.03`	`DaBlade`	`See, proprietary software=crap.`
`13:19.06`	`DaBlade`	`:P`
`13:19.12`	`DaBlade`	`Bon apetite`
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`13:22.13`	`aiwlan`	`DaBlade, my "hardware" somehow magically became unbroken after rebooting several times and messing around with K3b`
`13:23.28`	`_nano_`	`thiago: did you mean konqueror 3.4?`
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`13:25.35`	`_nano_`	`Andur: did you mean konqueror 3.4? (sorry thiago please disregard the above message)`
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`13:28.54`	`rabauke`	`What's wrong if after pressing CTRL+W in quanta all I get a is a little window at the top-left that shows: CTR+W,... and below close and close`
`13:29.27`	`thiago`	`no, 3.5`
`13:29.43`	`thiago`	`rabauke: it means Ctrl+W is a prefix to another command`
`13:30.09`	`rabauke`	`KDE-wide?`
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`13:30.49`	`fpitt_`	`Ciao`
`13:30.58`	`_nano_`	`thiago: kde 3.5 has konqueror 3.4 right?`
`13:31.13`	`rabauke`	`how can I find out which other app claims CTRL+W?`
`13:31.26`	`thiago`	`_nano_: KDE 3.5 has Konqueror 3.5`
`13:31.33`	`thiago`	`rabauke: it's Quanta`
`13:31.41`	`rabauke`	`ah, ok`
`13:31.43`	`thiago`	`rabauke: so, app-local, not KDE-wide`
`13:31.54`	`rabauke`	`so it's a bug in quanta`
`13:32.34`	`_nano_`	`thiago: ok this is a stupid question, how do i get to know my kde version? :P`
`13:32.45`	`thiago`	`_nano_: Help, About KDE`
`13:32.49`	`thiago`	`rabauke: no`
`13:33.08`	`thiago`	`rabauke: it means Ctrl+W is bound to be the first key in a multiple-key shortcut`
`13:34.26`	`rabauke`	`? CTRL+W is just bound to close, once with an icon in frot of it and once without. (in quantas's shortcut-dialogue) I did not assign it to any multiple-key shortcut.`
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`13:34.46`	`zwitter`	`is it possible to submit a kde bug via irc? :) it's a very simple one, but i'm a little busy to create a bugzilla account..`
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`13:35.27`	`thiago`	`zwitter: no`
`13:35.43`	`thiago`	`zwitter: you must go through bugs.kde.org and write a full report and do the search for duplicates`
`13:35.46`	`bssteph`	`the work necessary to file a bug is a feature :)`
`13:35.58`	`zwitter`	`what if i have a fix as well? ;D`
`13:36.05`	`thiago`	`zwitter: then mail me the patch`
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`13:36.15`	`zwitter`	`what's your email address?`
`13:36.19`	`thiago`	`thiago@kde.org`
`13:36.48`	`CVirus`	`is it safe to delete my /home/user/.kde3.4 ?`
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`13:36.55`	`thiago`	`CVirus: what is in it?`
`13:37.23`	`CVirus`	`thiago, I guess configuration files .. I wanna reset my configuration so I guess it will be re-created on my next kde startup`
`13:37.31`	`CVirus`	`am I right ?`
`13:37.42`	`annma`	`is your Mail in?`
`13:37.43`	`thiago`	`CVirus: that isn't the place where KDE configuration files go, normally`
`13:37.43`	`benJIman`	`it may also contain your mail`
`13:37.46`	`rabauke`	`Make sure your mail is not in it!`
`13:37.51`	`benJIman`	`and chat history, etc`
`13:38.02`	`thiago`	`address book contacts`
`13:38.03`	`annma`	`CVirus: safest is to backup`
`13:38.04`	`benJIman`	`rename it instead of deleting it incase`
`13:38.26`	`litb`	`mv .kde3.4 .was_kde3.4`
`13:38.37`	`zwitter`	`thiago: done`
`13:38.37`	`CVirus`	`Thanks`
`13:43.12`	`thiago`	`zwitter: are you on Solaris?`
`13:43.23`	`zwitter`	`yes`
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`13:43.54`	`thiago`	`ok, thanks`
`13:44.02`	`thiago`	`I'm patching but with a slight difference`
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`13:44.13`	`zwitter`	`i don't know where INITFILE is meant to come from. solaris doesn't seem to provide it anywhere.`
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`13:45.23`	`thiago`	`zwitter: what's your name?`
`13:46.17`	`zwitter`	`i'm not really bothered about credit :)`
`13:46.43`	`thiago`	`dammit, just for the commit log :-P`
`13:46.52`	`thiago`	`"Thanks to ???? for pointing it out"`
`13:47.04`	`grahamoz`	`is kde 3.5 for freebsd out ?`
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`13:47.54`	`zwitter`	`thiago: kate turner <keturner@livejournal.com> i suppose, if you have to ;)`
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`13:48.38`	`thiago`	`thanks, done`
`13:48.58`	`thiago`	`you should receive the confirmation of the bug fix now`
`13:49.06`	`DaBlade`	`thiago, I got a compilation error in kdebase`
`13:49.19`	`DaBlade`	`make[3]: *** [libkonq.la] Error 1`
`13:49.19`	`DaBlade`	make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/kdebase-3.5.0/libkonq'
`13:49.21`	`DaBlade`	`make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1`
`13:49.27`	`DaBlade`	`What do I do now?`
`13:49.33`	`thiago`	`DaBlade: that means "there was an error, look above"`
`13:49.38`	`DaBlade`	`right`
`13:49.47`	`DaBlade`	`n::setActionText(char const*, QString const&)'`
`13:49.48`	`DaBlade`	.libs/konq_dirpart.o: In function `KonqDirPart::lmbClicked(KFileItem*)':konq_dirpart.cc:(.text+0x59cc): undefined reference to `KParts::WindowArgs::~WindowArgs()'
`13:49.52`	`thiago`	`the first error message is a lot more important than the last one`
`13:49.54`	`DaBlade`	`Those are the last three lines`
`13:49.58`	`thiago`	`so, please give me the first line`
`13:50.04`	`DaBlade`	`collect2: ld returned 1 exit status`
`13:50.04`	`DaBlade`	`make[3]: *** [libkonq.la] Error 1`
`13:50.04`	`DaBlade`	make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/kdebase-3.5.0/libkonq'
`13:51.54`	`zwitter`	`thiago: yep. thanks`
`13:52.18`	`DaBlade`	`thiago?`
`13:52.25`	`thiago`	`DaBlade: first line, please`
`13:52.42`	`DaBlade`	`first line of what? the error or the last lines of the compiler?`
`13:52.50`	`thiago`	`the first line of error`
`13:52.59`	`thiago`	`not the first compiler line`
`13:53.03`	`DaBlade`	`collect2: ld returned 1 exit status`
`13:53.11`	`DaBlade`	`make[3]: *** [libkonq.la] Error 1`
`13:53.14`	`thiago`	`no, go up`
`13:53.30`	`DaBlade`	`the collect2 line is the first error line`
`13:53.48`	`thiago`	`you've just pasted an "undefined reference" error line that must have shown above`
`13:54.14`	`DaBlade`	`Dammit, I cant scroll up on the CLI`
`13:54.26`	`thiago`	`DaBlade: shift+PgUp`
`13:54.37`	`DaBlade`	`doesnt work`
`13:54.46`	`thiago`	`are you in Konsole?`
`13:54.54`	`DaBlade`	`No, Im X-less`
`13:55.02`	`thiago`	`ah, then you can't switch VTs`
`13:55.04`	`DaBlade`	`Im entirely in command line interface`
`13:55.07`	`thiago`	`if you do, you lose the scrolling back`
`13:55.30`	`DaBlade`	`damnit`
`13:55.38`	`DaBlade`	`So what do I do now?`
`13:55.46`	`thiago`	`re-run the build`
`13:56.01`	`thiago`	`hint: >/tmp/build.log 2&>1`
`13:56.43`	`DaBlade`	`wait, here are the last three lines from the compiler before the error, a.k.a. the collect2.. line`
`13:56.46`	`DaBlade`	`14:49 < DaBlade> n::setActionText(char const*, QString const&)'`
`13:56.49`	`DaBlade`	`14:49 < DaBlade> .libs/konq_dirpart.o: In function`
`13:56.51`	`DaBlade`	`KonqDirPart::lmbClicked(KFileItem*)':konq_dirpart.cc:(.text+0x59cc): undefined reference to `KParts::WindowArgs::~WindowArgs()'
`13:57.37`	`thiago`	`that's mid-line`
`13:57.44`	`thiago`	`it mustn't start with n::`
`13:57.49`	`thiago`	`I need the first error`
`13:58.01`	`DaBlade`	`Okay, I just re-ran make`
`13:58.12`	`DaBlade`	`I can give you a paste of the whole thing, hold on. going to pastebin with lynx`
`13:58.12`	`thiago`	`paste the output to rafb.net/paste/`
`13:58.15`	`thiago`	`don't paste here`
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`14:00.27`	`DaBlade`	`thiago, for some reason I cant copy the output on a whole page`
`14:00.43`	`DaBlade`	`is there a way to get make to output everything to a file?`
`14:01.00`	`annma`	`DaBlade: make >myfile`
`14:01.03`	`DaBlade`	`ok`
`14:01.47`	`DaBlade`	`only 17 lines were outputted`
`14:02.30`	`DaBlade`	`com/466576`
`14:02.42`	`DaBlade`	`pastebin.com/466576`
`14:03.06`	`DaBlade`	`thats all the output to the file`
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`14:04.08`	`annma`	`paste the correct link`
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`14:04.15`	`annma`	`the whole thing, DaBlade`
`14:04.19`	`tchino`	`which package do you need for kde`
`14:04.29`	`tchino`	`i must instll it manually`
`14:04.30`	`annma`	`tchino: to do what exactly?`
`14:04.37`	`DaBlade`	`annma, its kinda hard when lynx only shows the address for like half a second`
`14:04.37`	`thiago`	`DaBlade: there's nothing there`
`14:04.41`	`annma`	`tchino: from tarballs?`
`14:04.42`	`thiago`	`kdebase compiled fine`
`14:04.44`	`DaBlade`	`I only get a moment to paste whatever I can`
`14:04.50`	`zwitter`	`DaBlade> press '='`
`14:05.05`	`tchino`	`annma: i install kde 3.5 under debian sarge`
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`14:05.21`	`DaBlade`	`http://pastebin.com/466576`
`14:05.26`	`tchino`	`annma: which package do you for login-screen`
`14:05.32`	`annma`	`DaBlade: kdebase svn 3.5 today?`
`14:05.36`	`DaBlade`	`no`
`14:05.41`	`DaBlade`	`official kde packages`
`14:05.47`	`annma`	`tchino: get qt 3.3.x first`
`14:05.49`	`DaBlade`	`3.5 stable`
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`14:06.09`	`annma`	`DaBlade: what does that mean? from svn or tarball?`
`14:06.10`	`tchino`	`annma: how can i get my version to know`
`14:06.14`	`DaBlade`	`tarball`
`14:06.28`	`annma`	`DaBlade: you compiled kdelibs ok?`
`14:06.32`	`DaBlade`	`yeah`
`14:06.35`	`annma`	`tchino: dpkg`
`14:06.39`	`DaBlade`	`aRts and KDElibs are compiled and installed`
`14:06.40`	`annma`	`DaBlade: you installed?`
`14:06.46`	`DaBlade`	`yup`
`14:07.26`	`tchino`	`annma: dpkg -v qt`
`14:07.45`	`DaBlade`	`annma, what now?`
`14:07.48`	`annma`	`DaBlade: there's no error in the link you pasted`
`14:07.54`	`DaBlade`	`I know`
`14:07.57`	`annma`	`so what`
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`14:08.02`	`annma`	`why do you make as root?`
`14:08.05`	`DaBlade`	`I told you that only part of the make output was put into the file`
`14:08.22`	`DaBlade`	`annma, it doesnt make much of a difference does it?`
`14:08.31`	`annma`	`DaBlade: it's bad practice`
`14:08.34`	`tchino`	`annma: how the package for login screen`
`14:08.36`	`DaBlade`	`I rarely do so`
`14:08.41`	`annma`	`you should never`
`14:08.45`	`DaBlade`	`but now Im already in root after installing aRts`
`14:09.02`	`DaBlade`	`and why waste time typing a 15 character root password when you dont have to`
`14:09.07`	`annma`	`stupid`
`14:09.10`	`DaBlade`	`lol`
`14:09.10`	`annma`	`anyway`
`14:09.18`	`DaBlade`	`doesnt matter, as long as it works`
`14:09.28`	`annma`	`well it looks it does not, no?`
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`14:09.38`	`DaBlade`	`..`
`14:09.43`	`annma`	`tchino: what qt version do you have?`
`14:09.47`	`DaBlade`	`the make error cant be because I was running make as root...`
`14:10.00`	`annma`	`we don't see the error so we cannot say`
`14:10.30`	`DaBlade`	`thats because doing make >makelog didnt give me everything`
`14:10.31`	`tchino`	`annma: how can i find it`
`14:10.37`	`DaBlade`	`only the first page of the make`
`14:10.48`	`DaBlade`	`the error is in the third page`
`14:10.48`	`annma`	`tchino: look what qt packages you have on your system`
`14:11.13`	`annma`	`tchino: ask in #debian-kde then how to find your qt version`
`14:11.17`	`tchino`	`annma: where i find it`
`14:11.27`	`annma`	`tchino: I don't run debian`
`14:11.44`	`annma`	`dpkg -qa \|grep qt maybe`
`14:11.53`	`annma`	`try that in konsole`
`14:12.04`	`annma`	`dpkg -qa \|grep qt`
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`14:12.10`	`annma`	`paste output here`
`14:12.49`	`DaBlade`	`annma, how do I make it output all the pages, not just the first one?`
`14:13.50`	`annma`	`pages?`
`14:14.04`	`DaBlade`	`Yes. you know, you see a new one every time you press page up or down`
`14:14.18`	`annma`	`what termnal do you have???`
`14:14.25`	`DaBlade`	`It only outputs the first page of make to the logfile`
`14:14.30`	`DaBlade`	`GNU BASH`
`14:14.38`	`annma`	`that's not a terminal`
`14:14.40`	`DaBlade`	`Im entierly in console`
`14:14.42`	`DaBlade`	`I know`
`14:14.44`	`annma`	`console`
`14:14.49`	`kaeptnb`	`DaBlade: "dpkg -l \| grep qt" lists all available packages for debian containing "qt"`
`14:14.53`	`DaBlade`	`Im in runlevel 3`
`14:14.54`	`annma`	`what do you mean?`
`14:14.54`	`DaBlade`	`no X`
`14:15.10`	`annma`	`kaeptnb: for tchino`
`14:15.13`	`DaBlade`	`kaeptnb, I didnt ask for it...`
`14:15.21`	`kaeptnb`	`ok ok... tchino then :)`
`14:15.23`	`annma`	`tchino: "dpkg -l \| grep qt" lists all available packages for debian containing "qt"`
`14:15.24`	`DaBlade`	`lol`
`14:15.36`	`annma`	`kaeptnb: thanks though`
`14:15.37`	`DaBlade`	`annma, so what now?`
`14:15.54`	`annma`	`do you have your tarball?`
`14:16.03`	`annma`	`kdebase.tar.bz2 intact?`
`14:16.25`	`DaBlade`	`I havent md5summed it, but I think its ok`
`14:17.15`	`tchino`	`annma: libqt3-mt 3.3.5-1`
`14:17.28`	`annma`	`tchino: you need the devel package`
`14:17.39`	`annma`	`tchino: ask in #debian-kde how to get it`
`14:18.05`	`annma`	`tchino: ask them how ot get ALL devel packages for qt-3.3.5-1`
`14:18.13`	`tchino`	`annma: what devel-package`
`14:18.20`	`annma`	`DaBlade: rm your current kdebase source`
`14:18.26`	`DaBlade`	`annma, can you compare the md5sum for me please`
`14:18.27`	`DaBlade`	`b86622c029ee8ab656a67c6467fff887`
`14:18.28`	`annma`	`tchino: what I said`
`14:19.10`	`annma`	`tchino: go to #debian-kde please`
`14:19.43`	`DaBlade`	`annma`
`14:20.02`	`annma`	`DaBlade: I am doing other things as well right now`
`14:20.16`	`annma`	`as your user`
`14:20.21`	`tchino`	`annma: nobody answers there, sorry`
`14:20.30`	`annma`	`untar the tarball and restart it all`
`14:20.44`	`DaBlade`	`cann you please just compare the md5sum of my package to the reference on download.kde.org please?`
`14:20.46`	`annma`	`tchino: I did not see you asking anything since I joined`
`14:20.53`	`PhilRod`	`DaBlade: you didn't get the whole output of make in your logfile because you didn't redirect stderr to it. Use "make 2>&1 > makelog"`
`14:21.08`	`annma`	`tchino: I don't even see you in there`
`14:21.14`	`DaBlade`	`thanks PhilRod, but a little too late now as I deleted the source. lol`
`14:21.17`	`thiago`	`PhilRod: the other way around`
`14:21.19`	`annma`	`tchino: #debian-kde I said`
`14:21.23`	`thiago`	`DaBlade: > makelog 2>&1`
`14:21.32`	`annma`	`well it's better he restarts as user`
`14:21.36`	`tchino`	`annma: sorry`
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`14:21.52`	`DaBlade`	`fine, Ill copy the source over to /home`
`14:21.55`	`PhilRod`	`(freebsd has a nice little thing called "script" that does something along those lines, and also records what commands you ran. I guess it's available for linux too)`
`14:22.09`	`PhilRod`	`thiago: d'oh, I can never remember which way round it is :-)`
`14:22.13`	`annma`	`tchino: and read the FAQ from debian please`
`14:22.28`	`tchino`	`annma: thank you for all`
`14:23.11`	`DaBlade`	`annma, please compare the md5sum so I can see whether I need to re-download the package or not`
`14:23.28`	`annma`	`why would it be bad`
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`14:23.42`	`annma`	`redownload if you're unsure`
`14:23.43`	`DaBlade`	`just to check if thats the problem or not`
`14:23.49`	`annma`	`of course not`
`14:24.11`	`DaBlade`	`cant you pleeease compare the md5sums`
`14:24.19`	`annma`	`not now`
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`14:24.23`	`DaBlade`	`it cant take more than half a minute to do, including finding the reference.`
`14:24.24`	`DaBlade`	`dammit`
`14:24.34`	`DaBlade`	`can anyone else please? PhilRod?`
`14:24.40`	`zwitter`	`doesn't www.kde.org have the md5sums?`
`14:24.48`	`DaBlade`	`yes`
`14:25.06`	`DaBlade`	`but finding them with lynx is gonna be a royal b@tch`
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`14:25.32`	`PhilRod`	`bbl`
`14:26.31`	`annma`	`just do what I said DaBlade`
`14:26.40`	`annma`	`untar as your user`
`14:26.47`	`DaBlade`	`okay`
`14:26.48`	`annma`	`then ./configure`
`14:26.55`	`DaBlade`	`ok`
`14:27.12`	`annma`	`did you set $KDEDIR and $QTDIR and all that?`
`14:28.28`	`annma`	`DaBlade: ^^`
`14:28.46`	`DaBlade`	`Nope`
`14:28.53`	`DaBlade`	`but it should work automatically`
`14:28.57`	`DaBlade`	`kdelibs and arts did`
`14:29.59`	`DaBlade`	`./configure finished, making`
`14:30.44`	`annma`	`it should work automatically???`
`14:30.56`	`DaBlade`	`yes, the Qt and KDE dirs`
`14:31.03`	`annma`	`why?`
`14:31.08`	`DaBlade`	`./configure finds them automatically`
`14:31.12`	`annma`	`lol`
`14:31.27`	`annma`	`no`
`14:31.56`	`annma`	`is it the first time you build kde?`
`14:32.51`	`DaBlade`	`No, I did it once before`
`14:33.06`	`DaBlade`	`anyway, I pasted the error output on pastebin.com`
`14:33.14`	`DaBlade`	`just look for my nickname.`
`14:33.27`	`annma`	`you have an error again?`
`14:33.29`	`DaBlade`	`http://pastebin.com/466605`
`14:33.30`	`annma`	`already???`
`14:33.31`	`DaBlade`	`Yes`
`14:33.33`	`DaBlade`	`Yes`
`14:33.41`	`annma`	`wow, you're a champion`
`14:33.41`	`DaBlade`	`The error I got at first came half a minute into the compile`
`14:33.44`	`DaBlade`	`so did this one`
`14:35.07`	`annma`	`so, where did you install kdelibs?`
`14:35.21`	`DaBlade`	`/usr/local/kde I think`
`14:35.29`	`DaBlade`	`I just did ./configure, make, make install`
`14:35.43`	`annma`	`well`
`14:36.21`	`annma`	`paste more of the compile output`
`14:36.29`	`annma`	`before the error`
`14:36.33`	`DaBlade`	`ok, whats the output to file command again?`
`14:37.15`	`annma`	`!!!`
`14:37.20`	`DaBlade`	`lol`
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`14:37.28`	`boudiccas`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:37.29`	`DaBlade`	`wait, I think I remember..`
`14:37.35`	`annma`	`kmenuedit`
`14:37.53`	`DaBlade`	`make > makelog 2>&1`
`14:37.56`	`annma`	`DaBlade: write things down using paper and pen`
`14:38.03`	`annma`	`for next time`
`14:38.09`	`DaBlade`	`Im lazy. I hate pens, and I hate paper.`
`14:38.17`	`DaBlade`	`lol :P`
`14:38.17`	`cpw`	`or redirect output`
`14:38.29`	`cpw`	`or use tee :P`
`14:38.30`	`boudiccas`	`annma; thank you, its working :)`
`14:38.41`	`cpw`	`make \| tee -o file.log`
`14:38.45`	`cpw`	`or something`
`14:40.29`	`DaBlade`	`http://pastebin.com/466612`
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`14:40.59`	`annma`	`while I am looking do:`
`14:41.02`	`annma`	`kde-config --prefix`
`14:41.06`	`annma`	`paste output`
`14:41.07`	`DaBlade`	`ok`
`14:41.23`	`DaBlade`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:41.34`	`DaBlade`	`wierd.. I thought it was /usr/local/kde`
`14:41.40`	`annma`	`well yes`
`14:41.47`	`annma`	`as I said $KDEDIR`
`14:41.56`	`DaBlade`	`ok..`
`14:42.00`	`annma`	`do you have another kde?`
`14:42.07`	`annma`	`from your distro?`
`14:42.14`	`DaBlade`	`Yes, the malfunctioning one that Im trying to replace`
`14:42.16`	`DaBlade`	`3.4`
`14:42.25`	`DaBlade`	`the one that suddenly stopped working.`
`14:42.29`	`annma`	`well see`
`14:42.38`	`annma`	`your build is using kdelibs 3.4`
`14:42.43`	`annma`	`from /usr`
`14:42.49`	`DaBlade`	`ah crap...`
`14:42.50`	`annma`	`as you did not set any env vars`
`14:42.59`	`DaBlade`	`I still have the compiled source for kdelibs`
`14:43.04`	`DaBlade`	`can I make it read it?`
`14:43.19`	`annma`	`why are you building from source exactly?`
`14:43.28`	`DaBlade`	`Because apt has a set of problems I cant solve`
`14:43.33`	`annma`	`instead of using your distro?`
`14:43.37`	`DaBlade`	`all related to one package from hell called a2ps`
`14:43.54`	`annma`	`weird, debian should be able to help you`
`14:43.57`	`DaBlade`	`I cant remove a2ps because its broken`
`14:44.03`	`annma`	`they are always so nice peolple`
`14:44.04`	`DaBlade`	`nor can I upgrade it`
`14:44.23`	`annma`	`surely there's a way`
`14:44.24`	`DaBlade`	`nor can I remove emacsen-common on which it depends, just because it depends on it`
`14:44.34`	`DaBlade`	`and apt is complaining about it being broken`
`14:44.37`	`DaBlade`	`so I cant use apt`
`14:44.39`	`annma`	`did you ask in #debian?`
`14:44.44`	`DaBlade`	`No, nor do I want to`
`14:44.51`	`DaBlade`	`Elitists.`
`14:44.51`	`annma`	`...`
`14:44.58`	`DaBlade`	`Nor do I use Debian for that matter.`
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`14:45.06`	`annma`	`so what do you use exactly?`
`14:45.11`	`DaBlade`	`SimplyMEPIS Linux`
`14:45.23`	`annma`	`ask them then`
`14:45.52`	`DaBlade`	`The silence in the mepis channel is screaming in my ears.`
`14:45.56`	`DaBlade`	`Most people there are AFK.`
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`14:46.44`	`annma`	`ok read what I'll paste`
`14:47.10`	`annma`	`You need to set the QTDIR and KDEDIR to the locations where Qt and KDE will be installed, respectively. Also, append $QTDIR/bin and $KDEDIR/bin to your $PATH and $LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Alternatively, instead of using $LD_LIBRARY_PATH, you may add your Qt and KDE library paths to /etc/ld.so.conf, but don't forget to run ldconfig as root after installing Qt and kdelibs, otherwise configure scripts will fail to find the newly installed libraries!`
`14:47.10`	`annma`	`from developer.kde.org`
`14:47.10`	`annma`	`do taht and restart ./configure`
`14:48.01`	`DaBlade`	`okay`
`14:48.08`	`DaBlade`	`so ldconfig`
`14:48.24`	`DaBlade`	`thats it?`
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`14:48.48`	`Talnakh`	`quick question. how can I make desktop icons smaller?`
`14:48.52`	`Andur`	`you should "make clean" too, right?`
`14:49.22`	`DaBlade`	`how do I know where the new kdelibs are installed\|`
`14:49.24`	`DaBlade`	`?`
`14:49.29`	`annma`	`reconfiguring should be enough`
`14:49.37`	`annma`	`DaBlade: make install and look`
`14:49.42`	`Andur`	`Talnakh, kcontrol - themes/appearance/icons advanced ��`
`14:49.44`	`DaBlade`	`ok`
`14:49.49`	`annma`	`inkdelibs`
`14:49.52`	`Talnakh`	`andur, thanks`
`14:50.08`	`annma`	`make clean in kdebase as well, yes as a precaution`
`14:51.25`	`DaBlade`	`/usr/local/kde/lib`
`14:51.42`	`annma`	`?`
`14:51.51`	`DaBlade`	`thats where kdelibs installed`
`14:51.56`	`annma`	`!`
`14:52.02`	`DaBlade`	`?`
`14:52.05`	`annma`	`in /usr/local/kde`
`14:52.09`	`DaBlade`	`yeah`
`14:52.20`	`annma`	`then /lib is for libs, /include is for headers and so on`
`14:52.20`	`DaBlade`	`I just added /lib as I figured thats where it went exacly`
`14:52.27`	`DaBlade`	`right`
`14:52.27`	`annma`	`no`
`14:54.02`	`DaBlade`	`annma, so what now?`
`14:54.16`	`annma`	`?`
`14:54.18`	`Andur`	`you have to provide the base dir DaBlade`
`14:54.21`	`Andur`	`not /lib`
`14:54.22`	`Andur`	`IMO`
`14:54.34`	`annma`	`Andur: I explained him that`
`14:54.39`	`DaBlade`	`the base source is in /home/dablade/downloads/kdebase/3.5.0`
`14:54.47`	`DaBlade`	`the base source is in /home/dablade/downloads/kdebase-3.5.0`
`14:54.58`	`DaBlade`	`if thats what you mean`
`14:55.01`	`annma`	`Andur: you're confusing him`
`14:55.06`	`Andur`	`sorry :-)`
`14:55.15`	`annma`	`DaBlade: make clean in kdebase`
`14:55.22`	`annma`	`./configure in kdebase`
`14:55.40`	`annma`	`make`
`14:55.58`	`annma`	`if another error, I'm not there`
`14:56.35`	`DaBlade`	`yeah, but nothing has changed`
`14:56.45`	`DaBlade`	`what do I do? run ldconfig? edit ld.so.conf?`
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`14:58.14`	`DaBlade`	`annma? please help me out here`
`14:59.25`	`Andur`	`did you pass extra parameters to ./configure?`
`15:00.08`	`annma`	`did you set KDEDIR?`
`15:00.19`	`annma`	`did you read what I pasted earlier???`
`15:00.31`	`Andur`	`read my query too, it seems irssi doesn't bug the user enough about highlighted words in queries :-)`
`15:00.35`	`DaBlade`	`KDEDIR, QTDir`
`15:00.39`	`DaBlade`	`I know the KDEDIR`
`15:00.41`	`DaBlade`	`but not the QTDir`
`15:00.51`	`DaBlade`	`Also, do I need to update my Qt version?`
`15:00.51`	`annma`	`did you set KDEDIR?`
`15:00.58`	`annma`	`!`
`15:01.04`	`DaBlade`	`??`
`15:01.10`	`annma`	`I wonder how kdelibs built really`
`15:01.25`	`DaBlade`	`umm... ./configure, make, make install ?`
`15:01.27`	`annma`	`if you don't even know your qt version`
`15:01.47`	`DaBlade`	`how do I see which version it is?`
`15:01.47`	`annma`	`echo $QTDIR`
`15:01.50`	`DaBlade`	`k`
`15:02.01`	`DaBlade`	`/usr/share/qt3`
`15:02.17`	`annma`	`if you read some doc prior to building kde ...`
`15:02.24`	`annma`	`so leave that`
`15:02.24`	`DaBlade`	`I didnt`
`15:02.30`	`annma`	`yes but you should have`
`15:02.40`	`DaBlade`	`Last time I compiled KDE, I was basically doing make, make install on all the packages`
`15:02.40`	`annma`	`echo $KDEDIR`
`15:02.43`	`DaBlade`	`and it worked`
`15:02.48`	`annma`	`sure sure`
`15:03.08`	`DaBlade`	`but that was on Gentoo.`
`15:03.27`	`annma`	`lol`
`15:03.28`	`DaBlade`	`I was being impatient and 3.4 ebuilds werent available yet`
`15:03.39`	`annma`	`anyway stay focused`
`15:03.43`	`DaBlade`	`yup`
`15:03.49`	`annma`	`I am waiting`
`15:03.55`	`DaBlade`	`on what?`
`15:04.03`	`annma`	`read`
`15:04.18`	`DaBlade`	`set kdedir and qtdir`
`15:04.33`	`DaBlade`	`In configure or ld.so.conf>`
`15:04.36`	`DaBlade`	`?`
`15:05.10`	`annma`	`[10:00:30] <annma> echo $KDEDIR`
`15:05.14`	`annma`	`!!!`
`15:05.21`	`DaBlade`	`I already did`
`15:05.26`	`annma`	`?`
`15:05.33`	`DaBlade`	`I told you, /usr`
`15:05.34`	`annma`	`re paste then`
`15:05.45`	`DaBlade`	`there, /usr`
`15:05.49`	`DaBlade`	`now what?`
`15:05.59`	`annma`	`konqueror --version`
`15:06.02`	`annma`	`paste`
`15:06.16`	`DaBlade`	`Qt: 3.3.5`
`15:06.16`	`DaBlade`	`KDE: 3.4.2`
`15:06.17`	`DaBlade`	`Konqueror: 3.4.2`
`15:06.25`	`annma`	`now READ`
`15:06.29`	`DaBlade`	`wrong KDELibs.`
`15:06.35`	`annma`	`your KDEDIR currently points ot kde 3.4`
`15:06.42`	`DaBlade`	`right`
`15:06.46`	`annma`	`so set it correctly PLEASE`
`15:06.53`	`annma`	`and reconfigure`
`15:06.54`	`DaBlade`	`Right, how?`
`15:07.00`	`annma`	`how???`
`15:07.01`	`DaBlade`	`Im still kind of a newb with this...`
`15:07.14`	`DaBlade`	`sorry, I know Im probably frustrating the hell out of you now`
`15:07.18`	`DaBlade`	`sorry..`
`15:07.41`	`Andur`	`If I were you I'd try fixing apt`
`15:07.52`	`DaBlade`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:07.54`	`DaBlade`	`A lot`
`15:08.04`	`Andur`	`maybe you'll be able to install kde 3.5, but you're going to miss every single security update`
`15:08.05`	`DaBlade`	`a2ps just wont go away`
`15:08.12`	`Andur`	`did you read my query?`
`15:08.17`	`DaBlade`	`no...`
`15:08.21`	`DaBlade`	`query? I see none`
`15:08.44`	`Andur`	`yeah, as I said, it seems irssi doesn't bug the user enough about highlighted words in queries :-)`
`15:09.03`	`DaBlade`	`which repository is a2ps in, I can remove it and then upgrade`
`15:09.22`	`DaBlade`	`And be done with all of this extremely irritating KDEDIR stuff.`
`15:09.59`	`sorush20`	`howmuch better would liux be if it had the same budget as Microsoft?`
`15:10.10`	`DaBlade`	`A lot worse`
`15:10.24`	`Andur`	`300% better, but only if Tux lost weight`
`15:10.25`	`sdiz`	`DaBlade: hm.. in debian, you may force to remove anything with "dpkg" .... try --> dpkg --force-all -r "a2ps"`
`15:10.27`	`DaBlade`	`Because then the coders would be paid to work, not work as a hobby`
`15:10.32`	`Andur`	`what kind of question is that? xD`
`15:11.11`	`DaBlade`	`root@tty4[kde]# dpkg --force-all -r "a2ps"`
`15:11.11`	`DaBlade`	`(Reading database ... 92520 files and directories currently installed.)`
`15:11.11`	`DaBlade`	`Removing a2ps ...`
`15:11.14`	`DaBlade`	`ERROR: emacsen-common being used before being configured.`
`15:11.28`	`DaBlade`	`ERROR: This is likely a bug in the a2ps package, which needs to`
`15:11.28`	`DaBlade`	`ERROR: add one of the appropriate dependencies.`
`15:11.29`	`DaBlade`	`ERROR: See /usr/share/doc/emacsen-common/debian-emacs-policy.gz`
`15:11.32`	`DaBlade`	`See, it wont work`
`15:11.42`	`kikov`	`sorush20, actually GNU/Linux world has a lot of more powerman than M$`
`15:11.43`	`Andur`	`dpkg --force-all -r a2ps emacsen-common`
`15:11.48`	`Andur`	`and read my query too`
`15:12.14`	`DaBlade`	`same error`
`15:12.19`	`DaBlade`	`What query, there is no query man!`
`15:12.24`	`sdiz`	`try " apt-get -f install " .. it should fix emacsen-common`
`15:12.59`	`DaBlade`	`Setting up emacsen-common (1.4.16) ...`
`15:12.59`	`DaBlade`	`/var/lib/dpkg/info/emacsen-common.postinst: line 35: /var/lib/emacsen-common/installed-flavors: No such file or directory`
`15:13.16`	`DaBlade`	`dpkg: error processing emacsen-common (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1`
`15:13.19`	`DaBlade`	`Errors were encountered while processing:`
`15:13.22`	`sdiz`	`=/ ....`
`15:13.29`	`DaBlade`	`See?`
`15:13.35`	`DaBlade`	`Ive tried everything I could think of`
`15:13.41`	`DaBlade`	`a2ps just wont go away`
`15:14.01`	`DaBlade`	`its worse than a boot sector virus when it comes to removal`
`15:14.24`	`Andur`	`you still don't see me private message query?`
`15:14.30`	`DaBlade`	`No, I dont`
`15:14.48`	`egon_spengler`	`Andur: He might not be familiar with multiple windows in irssi`
`15:14.54`	`DaBlade`	`I am`
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`15:15.00`	`DaBlade`	`But I dont see a new window`
`15:15.22`	`DaBlade`	`I only see the server window, this channel, nickserv and a second channel`
`15:15.28`	`DaBlade`	`the second channel is not the query`
`15:15.35`	`zwitter`	`you need to register your nick to send msgs on freenode, unless the recipient disables that`
`15:15.41`	`Andur`	`I think a psico-ectoplasm has gotten his box, egon`
`15:15.47`	`DaBlade`	`zwitter, I am registered`
`15:15.54`	`zwitter`	`yes, but andur isn't, or isn't identified`
`15:15.56`	`annma`	`what is the other channel then?`
`15:15.58`	`Andur`	`DaBlade, try this: CROSS THE RAYS!!`
`15:16.09`	`DaBlade`	`?`
`15:16.18`	`annma`	`DaBlade: what other channel are you in?`
`15:16.19`	`Andur`	`sorry, nerd joke there :-)`
`15:16.28`	`DaBlade`	`##linux`
`15:16.29`	`egon_spengler`	`Andur: that would be "cross the streams" not the rays`
`15:16.31`	`Andur`	`I didn't know that about freenode zwitter`
`15:16.32`	`annma`	`Andur: I understand how you feel`
`15:16.51`	`Andur`	`yea, sue me, I always saw that movie in spanish, thank you :-)`
`15:16.54`	`annma`	`DaBlade: weird it does not say here you're on ##linux`
`15:17.02`	`zwitter`	`dab: do /msg nickserv set unfiltered on`
`15:17.04`	`DaBlade`	`I am`
`15:17.05`	`annma`	`DaBlade is n=dablade@217-64-100.0502.adsl.tele2.no (DaBlade)`
`15:17.05`	`annma`	`[10:13:35] on channels: #kde`
`15:17.09`	`annma`	`taht's it`
`15:17.13`	`DaBlade`	`If youre there, I can talk there to show you`
`15:17.17`	`annma`	`so weird`
`15:17.19`	`DaBlade`	`Are you there?`
`15:17.24`	`annma`	`I did a who is`
`15:17.32`	`DaBlade`	`Yeah, well its wrong`
`15:17.34`	`annma`	`noneed ot join the channel`
`15:17.37`	`DaBlade`	`I am in ##linux`
`15:17.38`	`Andur`	`I am not registered on freenode, what is the bot for that?`
`15:17.46`	`zwitter`	`nickserv`
`15:17.48`	`DaBlade`	`nickserv`
`15:17.55`	`zwitter`	`but if dab does that command, you wno't need to register`
`15:18.01`	`DaBlade`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:18.22`	`DaBlade`	`what command?`
`15:18.31`	`zwitter`	`the one i just told you, /msg nickserv set unfiltered on`
`15:18.32`	`DaBlade`	`Can anyone please just tell me, point by point, exactly what I need to do`
`15:18.43`	`annma`	`you need to rest`
`15:18.54`	`DaBlade`	`I just drank 2 glasses of Dr. Pepper`
`15:19.02`	`DaBlade`	`I couldnt rest if I wanted to`
`15:19.10`	`annma`	`we need to rest too`
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`15:19.14`	`Andur`	`xD`
`15:19.19`	`annma`	`;-)`
`15:19.21`	`Andur`	`realy, I would focus on fixing apt`
`15:19.27`	`DaBlade`	`So would I`
`15:19.28`	`annma`	`yes, me too`
`15:19.28`	`Andur`	`ask in the mepislovers forums`
`15:19.33`	`annma`	`ask in #debian`
`15:19.34`	`DaBlade`	`but do you see ANYTHING I can do about that damn package`
`15:19.42`	`DaBlade`	`I tried every apt command in the book`
`15:19.43`	`annma`	`ask in #debian`
`15:19.46`	`DaBlade`	`*man page :P`
`15:19.53`	`Andur`	`yes, I told you in teh query, but didn't know about that register-freenode thing`
`15:19.59`	`DaBlade`	`I dont wanna come near #debian, sorry`
`15:20.05`	`DaBlade`	`I despize that room`
`15:20.10`	`Andur`	`xD`
`15:20.18`	`egon_spengler`	`DaBlade: Try picking up the a2ps package from debian archives and dpkg -i the package itself rather than using apt?`
`15:20.22`	`annma`	`you should despite us as well`
`15:20.36`	`Andur`	`nickserv isn't answering the register command, does it usually do?`
`15:20.43`	`DaBlade`	`egon, can you give me a direct download link to the package please?`
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`15:21.15`	`Andur`	`that's what I was suggesting, egon: a dpkg -i --force-overwrite using the debs of a2ps and emacsen-common`
`15:21.23`	`egon_spengler`	`DaBlade: Which flavor of Debian are you running, stable, testing, or unstable?`
`15:21.28`	`DaBlade`	`Neither`
`15:21.29`	`DaBlade`	`MEPIS`
`15:21.37`	`Andur`	`that's testing/sid`
`15:21.41`	`sdiz`	`I think your emacsen-common package is corrupted .. apt-get reports a missing file..`
`15:21.42`	`DaBlade`	`but since MEPIS is in the DCC Alliance, its compatible`
`15:21.46`	`Andur`	`kind of a mixture, but mainly sid`
`15:22.56`	`DaBlade`	`can you guys give me direct links to those two packages?`
`15:23.06`	`egon_spengler`	`DaBlade: Try this one: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/text/a2ps`
`15:23.08`	`Andur`	`start firfox via xinit`
`15:23.23`	`Andur`	use xinit `which firefox`
`15:23.56`	`egon_spengler`	`DaBlade: And for emacsen-common: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/emacsen-common`
`15:24.47`	`Andur`	`http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/emacsen-common/emacsen-common_1.4.16_all.deb`
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`15:25.03`	`Andur`	`http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/a2ps/a2ps_4.13b-5_i386.deb`
`15:25.41`	`DaBlade`	`neither will install`
`15:26.04`	`Andur`	`with --force-overwrite?`
`15:26.26`	`jorgp`	`how do I add a cacert to kmail / konq? I try and kleo comes up and says unsupported protocol`
`15:26.35`	`jorgp`	`using kde 3.5`
`15:26.40`	`Andur`	`try dpkg -i --use-the-Force-DaBlade *.deb`
`15:27.01`	`DaBlade`	`not working`
`15:27.04`	`DaBlade`	`lol use the force`
`15:27.10`	`DaBlade`	`I doubt that would help`
`15:27.26`	`DaBlade`	`unless Obi-Wan says it`
`15:27.56`	`Andur`	`jorgp, go to kcontrol - security - crypto - Your certs - import`
`15:28.08`	`DaBlade`	`Is it possible to manually remove all the files from a2ps and emacsen commin, and delete them from apts list of installed apps?`
`15:28.18`	`Andur`	`screwed you, apt has`
`15:28.30`	`DaBlade`	`More like screwed apt, a2ps has`
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`15:29.09`	`Andur`	`nickserv won't answer my registration attemts`
`15:29.17`	`DaBlade`	`lol`
`15:29.19`	`Andur`	`low midiclorian count, I suspect`
`15:29.37`	`sdiz`	`hm... you can "cheat" apt/dpkg by editing /var/lib/dpkg/status ... .and list of file in a2ps can be found under /var/lib/dpkg/info/a2ps*.list`
`15:30.02`	`sdiz`	`backup it first, if you really want to edit those files`
`15:30.04`	`DaBlade`	`good idea`
`15:30.08`	`Andur`	`you can always reinstall from the mepis live cd, without overwriting /home`
`15:30.57`	`Andur`	`do I have to practice some kind of voodoo to register with nickserv?`
`15:31.14`	`Andur`	`as I'm not registered yet it isn't answering my msgs :-/`
`15:33.06`	`jorgp`	`Andur: I did that and it's listed, however it says make available to kmail, I say yes, then kleo comes up and says unsupported protocol`
`15:34.09`	`DaBlade`	`ok, that didnt work`
`15:34.10`	`DaBlade`	`Reading package lists... Error!`
`15:34.11`	`DaBlade`	`E: Encountered a section with no Package: header`
`15:34.11`	`DaBlade`	`E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status`
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`15:34.45`	`Andur`	`heh, dpkg is too clever to be fooled by such amateurish hack attempts`
`15:34.48`	`Andur`	`go dpkg!`
`15:34.50`	`Andur`	`;-)`
`15:34.58`	`annma`	`lol`
`15:35.02`	`DaBlade`	`Noo!`
`15:35.32`	`DaBlade`	`so what do I do now?`
`15:35.38`	`DaBlade`	`continue trying to compile KDE?`
`15:36.12`	`Andur`	`I'm sure you haven't tried sacrificing a chicken while running apt-get dist-upgrade while apt-pinning a2ps`
`15:36.49`	`Andur`	`no, really, ask in the mepislovers forums`
`15:37.10`	`Andur`	`someone is bound to know how to subjugate (?) dpkg`
`15:37.41`	`DaBlade`	`apt-pinning?`
`15:37.48`	`DaBlade`	`I thought you can only pin with Synaptic`
`15:38.01`	`Andur`	`is you try recompiling though, be sure to pass options to ./configure, like --prefix and --kdesomething and such`
`15:38.19`	`DaBlade`	`yeah, but the system isnt reading my new kdelibs`
`15:38.22`	`Andur`	`see /etc/apt/preferences`
`15:38.28`	`DaBlade`	`the ones installed in /usr/local/kde`
`15:38.32`	`sdiz`	`how did you edit /var/lib/dpkg/status ? .. you should change the status to "Status: purge ok not-installed" , not removing that paragraph...`
`15:38.39`	`DaBlade`	`how do I make it read that?`
`15:39.24`	`DaBlade`	`sdiz, I commented out the whole thing, copied the text from a not-installed package and just replaced the info with a2ps, and the accompanying stuff`
`15:40.29`	`sdiz`	`no,you can't comment anything in status file. dpkg don't recongize comment... just edit the file`
`15:40.38`	`DaBlade`	`ok`
`15:40.50`	`jorgp`	`so I reinstall kdepim after I installed dirmngr?`
`15:41.06`	`cpw`	`annma: lmao, nice entryway you have in that blog pic there`
`15:41.20`	`Andur`	`no idea, jorgp, never had problems with certs`
`15:41.21`	`annma`	`;) yes`
`15:41.37`	`cpw`	`annma: is that one of your tamer storms :P?`
`15:41.40`	`DaBlade`	`woot, it works, sdiz`
`15:41.41`	`DaBlade`	`thanks`
`15:41.43`	`annma`	`cpw: as we are not Canadians it's new and amazing`
`15:41.45`	`DaBlade`	`finally, apt is alive again`
`15:41.53`	`annma`	`weew`
`15:41.56`	`annma`	`hoooray`
`15:42.10`	`DaBlade`	`Its alive`
`15:42.16`	`DaBlade`	`its alihihihive`
`15:42.20`	`sdiz`	`=)`
`15:42.28`	`cpw`	`annma: I nearly had a fit at our kde team yesterday`
`15:42.34`	`Andur`	`nononono DaBlade, you're doing it wrong, you have to say`
`15:42.43`	`Sho_`	`annma: I've been wondering, how/why did you end up in Canada, anyway?`
`15:42.56`	`Andur`	`(evil laughter) MWHAHHAHAHAHHA It's alive! Aliiiiiiveeeee! (thunder crack)`
`15:43.07`	`annma`	`Sho_: my husband had the opportunity`
`15:43.11`	`cpw`	`Andur: you forgot the barking dogs and crying babbies`
`15:43.16`	`Sho_`	`annma: Career-related, then?`
`15:43.18`	`annma`	`Sho_: previously we lived for 8 years in England`
`15:43.31`	`annma`	`choice`
`15:43.44`	`annma`	`Sho_: more choice`
`15:43.45`	`cpw`	`annma: I was finishing up marking kde 3.4.3 on the distro, and all the sudden I'm told "you forgot kmathtool" and half strangled them to death :/`
`15:43.58`	`annma`	`oh`
`15:44.04`	`DaBlade`	`wait, somethings wrong here`
`15:44.10`	`DaBlade`	`I cant press Y or N`
`15:44.16`	`annma`	`is kmathtool really up to it?`
`15:44.19`	`DaBlade`	`Im not given the option, it just gives me the command line`
`15:44.24`	`sdiz`	`ugh?`
`15:44.34`	`cpw`	`annma: no, in fact I posted a bug for you one time to remove it :P`
`15:44.36`	`DaBlade`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:44.37`	`DaBlade`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:44.37`	`DaBlade`	`0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 140 not upgraded.`
`15:44.37`	`DaBlade`	`root@tty3[kdebase-3.5.0]#`
`15:44.40`	`cpw`	`annma: and I linked them to it :P`
`15:44.58`	`cpw`	`annma: it causes spectacular segfaults when I close it`
`15:45.10`	`sdiz`	`did you try apt-get -f install ?`
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`15:46.51`	`cpw`	`sweet, kernel upgrade`
`15:47.15`	`DaBlade`	`sdiz: yes`
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`15:48.48`	`DaBlade`	`sdiz?`
`15:49.05`	`sdiz`	`try apt-get install something else ?`
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`15:52.26`	`Andur`	`hmm, debian sid is going from gtk 2.6 to 2.8 at last`
`15:52.47`	`*** join/#kde sdiz (n=sdiz@n219078108132.netvigator.com)`
`15:53.31`	`Andur`	`a minor update, 70 megs`
`15:53.42`	`Andur`	`which distros are using xdelta binaries for updates?`
`15:53.46`	`Andur`	`suse, mandriva?`
`15:53.51`	`sdiz`	`DaBlade: are you still here?`
`15:54.09`	`DaBlade`	`yeah`
`15:54.28`	`DaBlade`	`I did apt-get install konsole`
`15:54.36`	`DaBlade`	`just because its a kde app, to kickstart the upgrade`
`15:54.44`	`DaBlade`	`but its upgrading to the wrong kde version`
`15:54.50`	`DaBlade`	`not 3.5, but 3.4.`
`15:54.52`	`DaBlade`	`not 3.5, but 3.4.3`
`15:55.05`	`sdiz`	`try " apt-cache policy konsole " ?`
`15:55.24`	`Andur`	`I normally use the Synaptic "force version" feature`
`15:55.34`	`Andur`	`you can use apt-pinning as I told you before`
`15:55.57`	`DaBlade`	`which repository is 3.5 in?`
`15:56.03`	`Andur`	`alioth experimental`
`15:56.07`	`DaBlade`	`deb http://alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main`
`15:56.45`	`Andur`	`I just did apt-pinning like this:`
`15:57.01`	`Andur`	`Package: *`
`15:57.03`	`Andur`	`Pin: origin pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org`
`15:57.05`	`Andur`	`Pin-Priority: 990`
`15:57.20`	`Andur`	`put that in the beginning of /etc/apt/preferences`
`15:57.35`	`sdiz`	`deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0 ./`
`15:57.46`	`DaBlade`	`k,`
`15:57.47`	`sdiz`	`work for me in debian, don't know MEPIS`
`15:58.01`	`Andur`	`I did it in MEPIS using that repo`
`15:58.12`	`Andur`	`worked OK for the RC1 and the final 3.5.0`
`15:59.08`	`Andur`	`really, I wish more distros used xdelta binary packages for updates`
`15:59.23`	`Andur`	`I have a PC upstairs with a weak wifi signal`
`15:59.30`	`Andur`	`56-128 kbps`
`15:59.33`	`DaBlade`	`what do I do about this?`
`15:59.35`	`DaBlade`	`E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)`
`15:59.46`	`*** part/#kde zwitter (i=larne@everest.sosdg.org)`
`15:59.53`	`Andur`	`you have more than 1 apt process open?`
`15:59.57`	`DaBlade`	`no`
`16:00.10`	`DaBlade`	`but I killed the one that wanted to install 3.4.3`
`16:00.10`	`Andur`	`killall dpkg ?`
`16:00.18`	`Andur`	`make sure it's dead`
`16:00.29`	`DaBlade`	`it is`
`16:00.30`	`Andur`	`if it's a zombie it will come back and bite you`
`16:00.37`	`DaBlade`	`its dead`
`16:00.45`	`Andur`	`does it moan?`
`16:00.52`	`DaBlade`	`nope`
`16:01.01`	`DaBlade`	`root@tty3[kdebase-3.5.0]# killall dpkg`
`16:01.01`	`DaBlade`	`dpkg: no process killed`
`16:01.01`	`DaBlade`	`root@tty3[kdebase-3.5.0]# killall apt`
`16:01.03`	`Andur`	`it it's saying "braaaains" kill it again anyway`
`16:01.03`	`DaBlade`	`apt: no process killed`
`16:01.20`	`Andur`	`have you got lsof installed?`
`16:01.28`	`Andur`	`lsof \|grep apt`
`16:01.31`	`DaBlade`	`AFAIK no, maybe`
`16:01.51`	`Andur`	`if not, install it, it's an utility to list open files and sockets`
`16:02.15`	`DaBlade`	`it is installed`
`16:02.25`	`DaBlade`	`but I just see a large list of cr@p.`
`16:02.36`	`DaBlade`	`what the hell, Ill just rm the lock file`
`16:02.48`	`DaBlade`	`nope, that didnt help..`
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`16:04.04`	`DaBlade`	`Andur, what else can I do now?`
`16:08.12`	`Andur`	`(argh, I can't update amule-common while amule is running :-/ )`
`16:08.23`	`DaBlade`	`I cant upgrade anything at all`
`16:08.27`	`DaBlade`	`because of that lock file`
`16:08.33`	`DaBlade`	`I cant kill apt it seems.`
`16:08.44`	`DaBlade`	`How do I kill it and make it stay dead?`
`16:08.45`	`Andur`	`hm`
`16:09.00`	`Andur`	`lsof \|grep apt lists a lot of open processes?`
`16:09.13`	`Andur`	`use kill -9 "process"`
`16:09.43`	`Andur`	`the k9 makes sure it's not breathing anymore`
`16:09.44`	`DaBlade`	`how do I see which PID it has`
`16:10.20`	`Andur`	`the second column in the output of lsof is the PID`
`16:10.32`	`Andur`	`first is the name of the process, then PID`
`16:10.37`	`DaBlade`	`ok`
`16:10.40`	`Andur`	`last, the file it has open`
`16:13.38`	`DaBlade`	`Ok, found it, killed it, did upgrade, it works =D`
`16:13.49`	`DaBlade`	`lets just hope KDE will work after upgrade too`
`16:14.18`	`DaBlade`	`Andur, problem occoured`
`16:14.20`	`DaBlade`	`The following packages have been kept back:`
`16:14.24`	`DaBlade`	`All the KDE packages are kept back`
`16:14.49`	`Andur`	`does it say why?`
`16:14.56`	`DaBlade`	`No`
`16:14.58`	`Andur`	`you did the apt-pinning, right?`
`16:15.07`	`DaBlade`	`0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 120 not upgraded.`
`16:15.11`	`DaBlade`	`No, I didnt`
`16:15.26`	`DaBlade`	`I just commented out all apt sources except alioth`
`16:15.31`	`Andur`	`I told you to`
`16:15.38`	`DaBlade`	`I wasnt sure what you meant`
`16:15.45`	`Andur`	`[16:57:00] <Andur> Package: *`
`16:15.47`	`Andur`	`[16:57:02] <Andur> Pin: origin pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org`
`16:15.49`	`Andur`	`[16:57:04] <Andur> Pin-Priority: 990`
`16:16.02`	`Andur`	`put that at the very beginning of /etc/apt/preferences`
`16:16.06`	`DaBlade`	`ok`
`16:16.13`	`DaBlade`	`do I uncomment the other repos?`
`16:16.14`	`Andur`	`make sure no priority is higher`
`16:16.31`	`Andur`	`sure, you can do that`
`16:17.00`	`Andur`	`in preferences, I have alioth at 990, mepis at 901, and unstable at 800`
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`16:17.49`	`DaBlade`	`Andur, exactly the same here`
`16:19.50`	`DaBlade`	`still keeping everything back`
`16:19.53`	`DaBlade`	`wait please`
`16:20.08`	`DaBlade`	`can I force it to upgrade?`
`16:21.48`	`Andur`	`are you using synaptic?`
`16:22.22`	`Andur`	`with apt-get, you can apt-get install -t experimental "package"`
`16:22.57`	`DaBlade`	`I managed to get it to work`
`16:23.03`	`DaBlade`	`by typing apt-get install kdelibs`
`16:24.05`	`DaBlade`	`but do I have to remove the pin after this is done?`
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`16:24.11`	`Andur`	`btw, I want to do some simple editing on the quicktime .mov files my digital camera spits`
`16:24.21`	`Andur`	`are there any simple editors for linux?`
`16:24.26`	`DaBlade`	`I think so`
`16:24.36`	`DaBlade`	`But not for quicktime videos AFAIK`
`16:24.37`	`Andur`	`I just want to rotate and adjust gamma and such`
`16:24.50`	`DaBlade`	`If I remember correctly, theres an app called LMMS`
`16:24.52`	`Andur`	`I guess I'll have to use transcode then`
`16:24.53`	`DaBlade`	`Linux Multimedia System`
`16:24.54`	`hussam`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:25.02`	`DaBlade`	`But Im not sure if thats video or audio editing`
`16:25.03`	`DaBlade`	`or both`
`16:25.24`	`DaBlade`	`hussam, your printing setup in the KDE Control Center is wierd`
`16:25.25`	`hussam`	`I get this error when I try to print from a kde program: anybody can help with a printing problem. I have my HP deskjet 3650 printer setup correctly. but it will only print from non-kde programs.`
`16:25.35`	`DaBlade`	`Look at what printer driver the other apps are using, and configure KDE to use it too`
`16:25.57`	`hussam`	`DaBlade: it's the same`
`16:26.34`	`Andur`	`well, as the only repository you have from alioth is the kde 3.5.0, you can leave alone the line in sources.list and in preferences until 3.5.0 is deprecated, just in case an update to kde is uploaded but without a version number change`
`16:27.10`	`Andur`	`when alioth uploads 3.5.1 just change 1 number in sources.list and presto`
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`16:28.15`	`Andur`	`I can't help, I don't have a printer, but I routinely print to postscript or pdf files with no problems`
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`17:14.30`	`bhearsum`	`what part of kde do i have to start to have usb keys and the likes automounted?`
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`17:52.44`	`CowClaw`	`hello and good evening @ all of you ! Is this a only a englisch channel or are there german users here too?`
`17:53.49`	`frb`	`this is english, join #kde.de for german`
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`17:55.35`	`CowClaw`	well it`s ok so then i`ll speak english
`17:56.54`	`CowClaw`	`my question is: is there a bugfix for the bug that it kind of bucking when you mark something on the desktop`
`18:00.45`	`CowClaw`	`os is suse 10.0 kde is 3.4`
`18:01.29`	`epyon9283`	`anyone know if you can have your signature appear above the quoted text instead of below it in a reply email in kmail?`
`18:04.16`	`frb`	`that isn't smart`
`18:06.27`	`benJIman`	`CowClaw: if you explain your problem more clearly we might know what you mean`
`18:06.36`	`frb`	`I need an ftp client`
`18:06.41`	`benJIman`	`konqueror?`
`18:06.52`	`frb`	`it doesn't keep persistant connections does it?`
`18:07.00`	`benJIman`	`don't think so`
`18:07.06`	`benJIman`	`at least not for very long`
`18:07.17`	`benJIman`	`kbear might do, not used that for ages though`
`18:07.26`	`frb`	`I tried kbear, but it seems very unstable and made my systray go wonky`
`18:07.34`	`benJIman`	`I think it's unmaintained`
`18:09.15`	`CowClaw`	`benJIman: oh well if I do a left-click and move the mouse then I am able to mark symbols you know?! well and then it´s bucking when I move the mouse (just when the area I want to mark gets larger than 4*5 cm)`
`18:09.54`	`Andur`	`never happend to me, CowClaw`
`18:09.59`	`Andur`	`or I still don't understand`
`18:10.21`	`Andur`	`I would submit the bug to opensuse bugzilla just to be sure`
`18:10.36`	`CowClaw`	`well I´m sorry because I can´t explain it any better in english (just learning english for a few years)`
`18:11.34`	`CowClaw`	`benJIman: you know what I mean now?`
`18:11.50`	`Sho_`	`CowClaw: Please describe your problem to me in German in private chat`
`18:12.06`	`benJIman`	`i'm afraid not`
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`18:56.47`	`t35t0r`	`how do i configure the popup blocker in konqueror`
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`18:57.11`	`Beineri`	`configure konqueror...`
`18:57.21`	`t35t0r`	`i wouldn't be asking if i couldn't find it`
`18:57.30`	`t35t0r`	`looked in kcontrol too`
`18:57.34`	`oGALAXYo`	`a) install kde 3.5`
`18:57.41`	`oGALAXYo`	`b) see a)`
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`18:57.48`	`slew`	`hi. im using ubuntu and installed kde. where is the kde configuration tool? i need to change from single click to dual click.`
`18:57.52`	`t35t0r`	`wt?`
`18:57.57`	`Beineri`	`"AdBlock Filter"`
`18:58.16`	`t35t0r`	`what does adblock have to do with popup?`
`18:58.26`	`t35t0r`	`they aren't enabled`
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`18:59.26`	`Beineri`	`oh, then "Java & JavaScript"`
`18:59.44`	`Andur`	`t35t0r, yep, set javascript popup to "intelligent"`
`18:59.49`	`Andur`	`it's dumb by default :-)`
`19:00.23`	`Beineri`	`or click the "block windows" indicator and select "Configure..."`
`19:00.46`	`SmallR2002`	`LMAO`
`19:01.02`	`SmallR2002`	`i thought that said "click the bollocks window"`
`19:01.28`	`Andur`	`that must be a kde 4.0 functionality`
`19:01.33`	`Andur`	`no bollocks on 3.5`
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`19:01.44`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`hey all`
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`19:01.59`	`slew`	`how do i make the windows translucent?`
`19:02.08`	`t35t0r`	`composite`
`19:02.15`	`t35t0r`	`and it sucks`
`19:02.17`	`slew`	`i see a place for setting translucently but its greyed out, cant use it`
`19:02.19`	`oGALAXYo`	`yeah but its damn slow`
`19:02.27`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`anyone know what's up with apps, like kopete, showing up with big black chunky lines?`
`19:02.33`	`slew`	`so dont bother with it?`
`19:02.36`	`Andur`	`slew, you have to enable renderaccel and composite on xorg.conf`
`19:02.38`	`t35t0r`	`slew, no`
`19:02.44`	`Andur`	`it's very alpha and experimental`
`19:02.45`	`Beineri`	`Andur: 3.5 defaults to "intelligent" popup-blocker`
`19:02.45`	`slew`	`ok thanks`
`19:02.51`	`oGALAXYo`	`slew: really its DEAD slow`
`19:02.52`	`oGALAXYo`	`more than slow`
`19:03.03`	`slew`	`like, windows ME slow?`
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`19:03.05`	`Andur`	`it's not slow with the nvidia drivers and renderaccel enabled`
`19:03.09`	`oGALAXYo`	`slew: slower`
`19:03.14`	`slew`	`ouch`
`19:03.19`	`Andur`	`it's just VERY unstable unless xorg 7.0`
`19:03.19`	`slew`	`thanks for the heads up =]`
`19:03.20`	`t35t0r`	`slew, win2k incorporates better transparency than xorg`
`19:03.22`	`oGALAXYo`	`on my ATI its dead slow`
`19:03.37`	`t35t0r`	`winme also loads relatively fast on a decent processor`
`19:03.44`	`Andur`	`you really need an nvidia with the privative drivers`
`19:03.54`	`Andur`	`and xorg 7`
`19:04.22`	`slew`	`well i have nvidia geforce 5200`
`19:04.31`	`Andur`	`with 6.9 my whole pc hangs upon desktop startup if I enable both renderaccel and composite`
`19:04.39`	`Andur`	`the desktop looks great for 4 seconds tho`
`19:04.40`	`Andur`	`:-)`
`19:04.44`	`slew`	`hehe`
`19:05.01`	`Andur`	`well, if you have journalling filesystems, you can try it`
`19:05.09`	`t35t0r`	`ok here's a suggestion`
`19:05.18`	`Andur`	`set renderaccel to "true" and enable the composite module`
`19:05.24`	`Andur`	`on xorg.conf`
`19:05.28`	`Andur`	`the start KDE`
`19:05.32`	`t35t0r`	`most people don't know that opening new windows has to do with javascript handlers`
`19:05.52`	`t35t0r`	`maybe in the config you should have a popup blocker settings option rather than javascript = ask before opening windows`
`19:05.54`	`Andur`	`yes, I would also place that option somewhere else on Options`
`19:06.14`	`Andur`	`or place it on the Adblock section`
`19:06.18`	`SmallR2002`	`oh no...`
`19:06.22`	`SmallR2002`	`not another missread`
`19:06.26`	`Andur`	`and rename it to Adblock&popups`
`19:06.59`	`t35t0r`	`let's try to make things intuitive for users ok?`
`19:07.00`	`Andur`	`you're :evil: SmallR2002`
`19:07.35`	`Andur`	`3.5 comes with better default behaviour, but yes, I agree that the option is somewhat hidden`
`19:08.15`	`Andur`	`the kcontrol search feature finds nothing for "popup"`
`19:08.33`	`t35t0r`	`nor konqueror -> settings`
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`19:09.00`	`t35t0r`	`you have to make the connection that javascript opening windows is what is actually causing popups in the first place`
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`19:15.35`	`slew`	`so how much trouble is it to install kde 3.5?`
`19:15.45`	`Gentle`	`depends on your distro`
`19:15.51`	`slew`	`ubuntu`
`19:16.11`	`Gentle`	`shouldn't that be a matter of apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ?`
`19:16.24`	`slew`	`well, lets see..`
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`19:17.02`	`Gentle`	`honestly I don't know how curent the Ubuntu repository is, but they are told to be very fast`
`19:17.30`	`slew`	`fast right, but new kde isnt there`
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`19:18.50`	`reSpawn`	`Hi, I have a weired bug I think in KDE. My monitor is set on 1024x768 85 Hz but the fonts size are not accurate`
`19:18.55`	`agliodbs`	`hey, where do the Kontact people hang out?`
`19:19.04`	`agliodbs`	`there used to be a #kpim channel`
`19:19.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`reSpawn: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103840 read here howto set DPI correctly`
`19:19.30`	`Andur`	`slew, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php`
`19:19.42`	`reSpawn`	`Unknown host bugs.kde.org`
`19:19.43`	`reSpawn`	`lol`
`19:20.07`	`Andur`	`add that repo, slew`
`19:20.18`	`slew`	`k`
`19:20.21`	`Andur`	`I installed experimental packages on my debian sid using apt-pinning`
`19:20.28`	`Andur`	`maybe it's even easier for you`
`19:20.37`	`oGALAXYo`	`reSpawn: the site is active`
`19:20.41`	`reSpawn`	`works`
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`19:22.04`	`reSpawn`	`I downloaded the precompiled packages for slackware(my distro) KDE 3.5 , How do i install them ? over my current KDE`
`19:22.36`	`Beineri`	`like any other slackware package?`
`19:22.57`	`reSpawn`	`simply installpkg ?`
`19:23.02`	`Beineri`	`what else?`
`19:23.18`	`Chryseus`	`preconpiled.. hmph :)`
`19:24.35`	`reSpawn`	`and after that i uninstall KDE 3.4.2 right?`
`19:25.07`	`Beineri`	`I doubt that the packages have a different installation prefix`
`19:26.01`	`Andur`	`I would close KDE, installpkg *, start KDE`
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`19:26.11`	`solemnwarning`	`hi all`
`19:26.17`	`solemnwarning`	`k3b thinks my cd-rw is a reader`
`19:26.28`	`solemnwarning`	`its only just started doing this`
`19:26.34`	`solemnwarning`	`normally it uses it as a cd-rw`
`19:27.26`	`solemnwarning`	`what should i do?`
`19:27.28`	`Beineri`	`so what just did you change? :-)`
`19:27.36`	`solemnwarning`	`i didnt change anything -_-`
`19:28.26`	`Andur`	`try starting k3b as root`
`19:28.30`	`solemnwarning`	`ok`
`19:28.36`	`Andur`	`if that works, it's a permissions problem`
`19:29.05`	`Beineri`	`chmod cd+rw ;-)`
`19:29.12`	`solemnwarning`	`wtf`
`19:29.18`	`solemnwarning`	`it works as root`
`19:29.23`	`solemnwarning`	`but im in the cdrom group :\`
`19:29.50`	`Andur`	`is /dev/cdrom a symlink?`
`19:29.58`	`Andur`	`maybe it points to /dev/hdc or something`
`19:30.01`	`solemnwarning`	`theres a /dev/cdrom?`
`19:30.10`	`solemnwarning`	`hmm`
`19:30.11`	`Andur`	`I have it, depends on the distro`
`19:30.14`	`solemnwarning`	`never noticed that before`
`19:30.21`	`solemnwarning`	`i always use /dev/hd..`
`19:30.40`	`Andur`	`do a ls -l /dev/hdwhatever`
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`19:30.46`	`solemnwarning`	`permissions on /dev/hdc show that i can read\write`
`19:30.46`	`Andur`	`see what groups is that in`
`19:31.04`	`Andur`	`does /dev/hdc point to anything?`
`19:31.16`	`solemnwarning`	`no`
`19:31.26`	`Andur`	`look if there's something pointing TO /dev/hdc`
`19:31.27`	`oGALAXYo`	`hmm i got an offer for a notebook... dell c600 p3 750, 128mb, 20gb, cdr, refurbished for 399 euros or the 256mb version for 349 euros... any opinions`
`19:31.50`	`solemnwarning`	`ick`
`19:31.52`	`solemnwarning`	`dell`
`19:31.58`	`solemnwarning`	`and probably an intel cpu`
`19:32.05`	`oGALAXYo`	`339 euro the first`
`19:32.10`	`Andur`	`256 cheaper than the 128 version?`
`19:32.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`i made a mistake :)`
`19:32.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`339`
`19:32.22`	`Andur`	`that's what I thought :-)`
`19:32.37`	`oGALAXYo`	`i wonder whether i can run linux on it`
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`19:34.19`	`oGALAXYo`	`expensive ?`
`19:34.51`	`Andur`	`well, where I live, no`
`19:34.59`	`Andur`	`kinda standard price for notebooks`
`19:35.08`	`superdump`	`in konversation, is there a way to make the tab bar use multiple lines of tabs when there are too many to fit on one, rather than having the left-right buttons pop up`
`19:35.27`	`Andur`	`use kvirc :o)`
`19:35.41`	`superdump`	`hmm, i'll look into it :)`
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`19:36.10`	`superdump`	`i just saw konversation and thought i'd give it a go rather than installing xchat straight away ;)`
`19:36.21`	`Chryseus`	`bah.. use irssi`
`19:36.42`	`superdump`	`i have irssi too but i like tabs ;)`
`19:36.44`	`Chryseus`	`ssh + screen + irssi.. what else do you need?`
`19:36.46`	`oGALAXYo`	`aktually konversation is the standard IRC client for kde`
`19:36.53`	`oGALAXYo`	`and its under heavy development.`
`19:36.53`	`Sho_`	`superdump: Unfortunately that option currently does not exist, sorry`
`19:36.58`	`superdump`	`ok`
`19:37.31`	`superdump`	`well, if it hasn't been requested already (which i imagine it has) consider it a feature request, if anyone from the konversation 'team' is here`
`19:37.44`	`superdump`	`i also have ksirc installed it would seem`
`19:37.49`	`slew`	`new kde is on its way. =]`
`19:37.58`	`Sho_`	`superdump: Providing a solution to many tabs - either a treeview, or multi-row tabbar - is our #1 request`
`19:38.07`	`jorgp`	`how can I find out what protocol kleo claims is unsupported`
`19:38.15`	`superdump`	`i thought it would be :)`
`19:38.24`	`superdump`	`i know it was very much requested for xchat`
`19:38.28`	`Sho_`	`superdump: I'm from the team`
`19:38.38`	`superdump`	`hello`
`19:38.51`	`Andur`	`kvirc rocks`
`19:39.05`	`Andur`	`it does use multiple lines for tabs`
`19:39.12`	`Andur`	`or a treeview, as you prefer`
`19:39.35`	`Andur`	`it also has intelligent charset conversion`
`19:39.43`	`Andur`	`different charset per window`
`19:39.50`	`Andur`	`reverse DCC`
`19:39.54`	`Andur`	`etc etc`
`19:40.11`	`Sho_`	`Well, it's a bid unfair for someone who's obviously biased to bash a competitor, but I don't really like KVirc for it's poor KDE integration last time I tried it. Namely it reimplements a lot of GUI stuff on its own with vanilla Qt rather than use KDE widgets in order to be able to maintain a Windows port.`
`19:40.21`	`superdump`	`properly themed?`
`19:40.22`	`Sho_`	`That said, it is more feature-ful and advanced than Konvi`
`19:40.30`	`Andur`	`better yet, you can have multiple windows inside the kvirc window, like mIRC (is that called SDI?)`
`19:41.04`	`Andur`	`yes, kvirc is not a KDE application since 2.0 or something`
`19:41.15`	`Andur`	`it can have some level of KDE integration tho`
`19:41.21`	`Andur`	`it uses the kde filepicker`
`19:41.33`	`jorgp`	`what can it do that konversation cant?`
`19:41.33`	`Andur`	`it obeys kde settings for file association`
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`19:41.45`	`Andur`	`I just said 4 things, jorgp`
`19:41.46`	`Sho_`	`jorgp: Scripting, for example`
`19:42.01`	`jorgp`	`konv does scripting`
`19:42.08`	`Andur`	`it's integrated with amaroK too`
`19:42.29`	`Sho_`	`jorgp: Not to the same extent`
`19:42.44`	`Andur`	`it also has "avatar" support, if you like that kind of thing`
`19:42.48`	`jorgp`	`are you comparing it to 0.18 or svn?`
`19:42.53`	`Sho_`	`Konvi ships with a /media script that integrates with amaroK, JuK, Noatun and - since two days ago - Yammi`
`19:42.59`	`Andur`	`personally I like being able to see the face of the people I'm chatting with`
`19:43.09`	`Sho_`	`jorgp: I'm comparing it to SVN`
`19:43.33`	`Sho_`	`Andur: AFAIK we do integrate with KAddressBooks user photos, at least in the notification tab`
`19:43.37`	`jorgp`	`I think konv development has slowed down alot in last few months though`
`19:43.46`	`Sho_`	`jorgp: It has`
`19:44.18`	`jorgp`	`look at the long delay between 0.18 and 0.19`
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`19:46.24`	`lostson`	`true there`
`19:47.58`	`jorgp`	`ive always used konvi`
`19:48.06`	`Tm_T`	`irssi`
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`19:49.31`	`Andur`	`the default theme and configuration of kvirc is a little annoying`
`19:49.36`	`Andur`	`but it's easy to customize`
`19:49.49`	`Andur`	`btw, try a version newer than the stable April one`
`19:50.12`	`Andur`	`"last line read" mark and other niceties were added around June-July`
`19:51.08`	`jorgp`	`the version in portage is 3.2.0`
`19:52.35`	`Andur`	`that's the April one`
`19:52.43`	`jorgp`	`yeah I see that`
`19:53.11`	`Andur`	`what I find annonying is that every 15-30 day, a windows static snapshot is made`
`19:53.20`	`Andur`	`and no such thing exists for linux`
`19:53.35`	`superdump`	`Sho_: is it possible to make the channel text highlight in different colours depending on what has happened within a channel?`
`19:53.36`	`Andur`	`is that difficult to make a static kvirc binary?`
`19:53.55`	`superdump`	`XChat style`
`19:54.00`	`Andur`	`maybe through scripting`
`19:54.03`	`Sho_`	`superdump: Appearance -> Colors in the Prefs? :)`
`19:54.09`	`Andur`	`there are different levels of "warning"`
`19:54.15`	`superdump`	`hum, looks`
`19:54.33`	`Sho_`	`superdump: And Notifications -> Highlight, of course`
`19:54.35`	`superdump`	`i've been using it for about 5 minutes, i guess i should have looked harder/rtfmed`
`19:54.44`	`superdump`	`i've sorted the highlight colour`
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`21:02.49`	`*** topic/#kde is Latest releases: stable: 3.5. See www.kde.org \| kde-look and kde-apps are back up! \| KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ \| Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste \| Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions \| New features in development versions: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html`
`21:05.01`	`superdump`	`the best thing about kde, kxstitch`
`21:05.29`	`superdump`	`my mum wanted a picture converting into a cross stitch pattern a couple of months ago and it was a real pain to do`
`21:05.47`	`superdump`	`"But now it's easy, with kxstitch!"`
`21:05.49`	`superdump`	`:)`
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`21:33.49`	`Khaytsus`	`Where does one turn off the automounting of drives? I must have accidentally clicked option to mount and then "do not show this again"`
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`21:34.15`	`DaBlade`	`Hello`
`21:34.26`	`DaBlade`	`I'm having trouble compiling YaKuake. Can anyone help me out?`
`21:34.35`	`DaBlade`	`http://pastebin.com/467092`
`21:34.41`	`DaBlade`	`There's the paste ^`
`21:35.03`	`Khaytsus`	`Missing the auto tools`
`21:35.10`	`Khaytsus`	`WHy are you compiling something if you don't know that?`
`21:35.21`	`DaBlade`	`Auto tools?`
`21:35.26`	`DaBlade`	`I'm using the GNU Source Installer`
`21:35.37`	`Khaytsus`	`What distro?`
`21:35.50`	`DaBlade`	`I prefer using it over regular ./configure, make and make install as I can uninstall it easily later on`
`21:35.53`	`DaBlade`	`SimplyMEPIS Linux`
`21:36.23`	`Khaytsus`	`errrrokay`
`21:36.49`	`Khaytsus`	`Install autoconf and automake`
`21:36.58`	`Khaytsus`	`How you do that in your random distro I don't know.`
`21:38.07`	`DaBlade`	`I got both`
`21:38.29`	`DaBlade`	`They just don't seem to get invoked by GNU Source Installer`
`21:38.55`	`DaBlade`	`SimplyMEPIS Linux is a DCC-alliance member, A.K.A. a debian based distro. It's one of the most popular ones on Distrowatch`
`21:40.42`	`DaBlade`	`http://pastebin.com/467097 <--manually doesn't work either`
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`21:41.23`	`DaBlade`	`Khaytsus`
`21:41.30`	`Khaytsus`	`At least it's above Ghetto.`
`21:41.39`	`Khaytsus`	`ALthough this is still the first I've ever heard of it.`
`21:42.02`	`DaBlade`	`Wierd`
`21:42.06`	`DaBlade`	`It's pretty popular.`
`21:42.10`	`DaBlade`	`Anyway`
`21:42.14`	`DaBlade`	`Can you help me out?`
`21:46.33`	`PhilRod`	`DaBlade: my guess would be that you have the wrong version(s) of auto* installed. Sadly, it's a royal pain to find the right one, since they're all incompatible with one another or something`
`21:46.38`	`PhilRod`	`...so I'm told`
`21:47.34`	`DaBlade`	`So what do I do?`
`21:50.15`	`PhilRod`	`my guess would be to install automake 1.9`
`21:51.29`	`PhilRod`	`you could install it in its own prefix and use a symlink and PATH modification to make sure it gets picked up before any system version`
`21:52.25`	`DaBlade`	`In other words, what commands do I execute, PhilRod? :P`
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`21:53.23`	`DaBlade`	`PhilRod: This one? ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/automake/automake-1.0.tar.gz`
`21:53.46`	`PhilRod`	`DaBlade: if youre distro has a package for automake 1.9, install it, otherwise grab the source from gnu.org`
`21:54.01`	`PhilRod`	`(erk, just wrote gnu.com by accident. My brain is really messed up ATM)`
`21:54.14`	`DaBlade`	`apt-get upgrade should've grabbed it`
`21:54.15`	`DaBlade`	`it didn't`
`21:54.22`	`DaBlade`	`ergo the debian repos don't have it`
`21:54.31`	`DaBlade`	`but that's the latest source ^`
`21:54.42`	`DaBlade`	`so I grab it?`
`21:54.43`	`Khaytsus`	`Is there not a binary for this program you're trying to compile?`
`21:54.44`	`kikov`	`oh, reallly, PhilRod ?`
`21:54.47`	`Khaytsus`	`Newbs should not compile.`
`21:55.05`	`DaBlade`	`Khaytsus: Yeah, but when I compile it, apt complains that it's broken`
`21:55.07`	`kikov`	`PhilRod, I did a package with automake 1.9.. and I can't compile it in places without automake 1.9.. then it's a known bug?`
`21:55.08`	`DaBlade`	`even if it works.`
`21:55.13`	`DaBlade`	`But then I can't use apt until it's removed`
`21:56.25`	`DaBlade`	`my mistake, 1.9, not 1.0. lol`
`21:57.49`	`PhilRod`	`kikov: a known issue that you can't build certain things with certain autotools versions? Yes. The KDE FreeBSD packagers have some choice words for the autotools' backward compatibility (or lack thereof)`
`21:58.17`	`DaBlade`	`ok, it seems to be compiling now`
`21:58.22`	`kikov`	`PhilRod, well... mine was a simpler example, nothing related to kde`
`21:58.24`	`DaBlade`	`yakuake that is`
`21:58.25`	`DaBlade`	`thanks`
`21:58.46`	`DaBlade`	`woot, it works :D`
`21:58.50`	`kikov`	`PhilRod, it's just a sourcecode I'll pretend compiling in different places... I though that autotool wasn't required for compiling, but it was false`
`21:58.58`	`cwheeler`	`usually changing "automake-1.9" (or whatever) to "automake" fixes it`
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`22:06.05`	`Khaytsus`	`Anyone know where to turn off an automounting drive I accidentally set in KDE 3.5.0?`
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`22:13.22`	`jhutchins`	`Stupid Konqueror - I set the file associations for Real Audio, and it still wants to open them in Kaffeine, which won't play them. I even uninstalled kaffeine! STUPID!`
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`22:16.10`	`grepper`	`stupid is probably the operative word in that barrage`
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`22:24.21`	`mobtek`	`hehe gregday`
`22:24.26`	`mobtek`	`grepper even`
`22:24.42`	`grepper`	`hi mobtek`
`22:25.01`	`PhilRod`	`file associations do seem to fox most people. I wonder if there's some way to make them simpler`
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`22:30.19`	`mobtek`	`PhilRod: I don't get why though, they are pretty simple`
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`22:43.31`	`oneforall`	`when you have say 20,000 files in a dir jow do you get it to display them quicker?`
`22:43.40`	`SmallR2002`	`prehistoric tools are good for cutting candy`
`22:43.48`	`SmallR2002`	`and filtering might help you`
`22:48.26`	`PhilRod`	`oneforall: by "it", I assume you mean konqueror. Can't think of much - make sure that previews are turned off. Aside from that, the only answer I can think of is "get a faster computer"`
`22:49.05`	`PhilRod`	`you could try different view modes, but I doubt they make much difference`
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`22:49.26`	`SmallR2002`	`i say filtering`
`22:50.06`	`PhilRod`	`yes, that would work - I doubt you want to actually see all 20,000 files :-)`
`22:50.30`	`SmallR2002`	`i go it!`
`22:50.38`	`SmallR2002`	`open console and do ls... :D`
`22:52.23`	`benJIman`	`use a faster filesystem`
`22:53.51`	`frb`	`why would you view a dir with 20k files?`
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`22:56.30`	`oneforall`	`2.0gig and 1gig ram . it accually is quick in mc . just tried it. but very slow in konq.`
`22:57.41`	`PhilRod`	`my guess would be that the slowness comes from the painting code. If it really bothers you, post a message on kde-devel@kde.org and ask how you can debug it to find the place where the slowdown occurs`
`22:58.15`	`oneforall`	`and using text view is the same`
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`22:59.08`	`oneforall`	`what do you mean why would you view a dir with 20k files? . so you can do what you would allways do. look in the dir pick a file and look at it .`
`22:59.20`	`oneforall`	`edit it etc`
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`23:00.14`	`frb`	`I don't know, the only dirs I've ever had with that many files were caches, and mail`
`23:00.22`	`frb`	`neither of which I would ever browse`
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`23:02.10`	`sam^`	`kn8`
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`23:11.44`	`pramodbiligiri`	`hi. i'm compiling kde svn trunk on fedora-core 4, and seeing the "gcc 4 blacklisted" error`
`23:12.21`	`pramodbiligiri`	`i'm going through the mailing list archives..but can anyone here tell me the solution for this?`
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`23:13.14`	`hagabaka`	`when I run ksysguardd -d, it says "Cannot create lockfile '/var/run/ksysguardd.pid'"`
`23:13.43`	`hagabaka`	`do I have to run it as root?`
`23:14.11`	`PhilRod`	`pramodbiligiri: use gcc >4.0.0`
`23:14.19`	`pramodbiligiri`	`oh..ok. will do.`
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`23:22.37`	`pramodbiligiri`	`PhilRod:`
`23:22.46`	`pramodbiligiri`	`oops, typo. sorry`
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