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| 00:57.38 | bob | the fonts in non-kde apps are too small. The fixes I've found are all distro dependant, and I haven't found a fix for my distro. any advice would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 01:08.31 | _matej | what's the DCOP equivavalent of Account/Get New Articles in All Groups in knode? |
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| 01:11.01 | canllaith | Alethes: ping damn ya |
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| 01:15.22 | Alethes | howdy canllaith :) |
| 01:15.25 | canllaith | :D |
| 01:15.30 | Alethes | how's it been? |
| 01:15.30 | canllaith | gimmie your colour scheme folder |
| 01:15.32 | canllaith | oh, and hi =) |
| 01:15.43 | Alethes | hang on |
| 01:16.31 | Alethes | incidently, it's a little different since I reinstalled in Oct |
| 01:16.40 | Alethes | I have all the ones you wanted on alethes.net though |
| 01:16.42 | Alethes | hang on |
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| 01:18.47 | Alethes | http://www.alethes.net/kde_stuff/colors.tar.bz2 |
| 01:19.09 | Alethes | oh wait |
| 01:19.17 | Alethes | you won't have the one with the olive titlebars, etc |
| 01:19.20 | canllaith | forbidden bub |
| 01:19.26 | canllaith | chmod pls :) |
| 01:19.30 | Alethes | chmod 644 colors.tar.bz2 |
| 01:19.32 | Alethes | I did |
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| 01:19.33 | Alethes | how strange |
| 01:19.42 | Alethes | -rw-r--r-- |
| 01:19.43 | canllaith | 14:19:26 ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 01:19.54 | canllaith | is there execute perms on kde_stuff ? |
| 01:20.06 | Alethes | maybe |
| 01:20.12 | canllaith | ah, the problem is the parent dir |
| 01:20.12 | Alethes | actually probably :) |
| 01:20.31 | Alethes | that was it |
| 01:21.11 | Alethes | http://www.alethes.net/kde_stuff/Terra.kcsrc |
| 01:21.31 | canllaith | mmmmmmmmmmm denim and khaki |
| 01:21.31 | Alethes | ok, didn't know if you had lost them or something |
| 01:21.34 | Alethes | hehe |
| 01:21.38 | canllaith | I lost everything you gave me after terra |
| 01:21.42 | Alethes | ah ok |
| 01:21.45 | Alethes | grape and lime? :D |
| 01:21.48 | canllaith | mmmmmmmmm denim and khaki |
| 01:21.52 | Alethes | haha |
| 01:21.54 | canllaith | heh grape and lime scares me lad |
| 01:21.59 | Alethes | yeah |
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| 01:22.01 | Alethes | it was an experiment |
| 01:22.03 | canllaith | it's rather odd |
| 01:24.32 | Alethes | denim/khaki looks good with the knifty windec |
| 01:24.37 | Alethes | and the nuvola icons |
| 01:24.40 | Alethes | nuvola rocks :) |
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| 01:26.44 | canllaith | there are lila cursors too, did you see them? |
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| 01:28.20 | Alethes | yeah |
| 01:28.24 | Alethes | lila is cool |
| 01:29.16 | annma | hi guys |
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| 01:36.15 | Aslem | ola, alguem pode me ajudar? |
| 01:36.27 | slopoke | hi folks |
| 01:36.30 | annma | Aslem: in English please |
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| 01:37.44 | Aslem | i dont speak inglish very well |
| 01:38.09 | annma | we don't speak spanish at all |
| 01:38.10 | slopoke | i'm trying to get the non-kde apps to use the kde themes, but i don't want it to be 'all or nothing', as is the case w/the control center->colors "apply colors to non-kde apps" check box |
| 01:38.34 | Aslem | i´m brasilian |
| 01:38.34 | annma | so what do you want, slopoke ? |
| 01:38.45 | annma | Aslem: iam French |
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| 01:39.02 | slopoke | take gaim, for example. i want to be able to apply my kde colors to gaim |
| 01:39.45 | slopoke | but keep the non-kde colors for openoffice |
| 01:40.41 | Alethes | is there a method for specifying a different gtk theme on the command line? |
| 01:40.52 | slopoke | i figure that i need to do something to my ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file... |
| 01:40.54 | Alethes | if so, use the gtk-qt theme engine for the selected apps |
| 01:41.12 | fredrikh | Alethes: sort of... you can set an env var that tells gtk which gtkrc file to use |
| 01:41.28 | Alethes | eh, that's not very useful per app, is it? |
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| 01:42.15 | DMJC | who makes the qt to gtk theme engine? |
| 01:42.21 | Alethes | no idea |
| 01:42.23 | Alethes | but it works well |
| 01:42.28 | DMJC | heh I wish |
| 01:42.31 | slopoke | is there a way that i can convert a kde color file (like /usr/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/DarkBlue.kcsrc) into something that gtk groks? |
| 01:42.39 | DMJC | vertical scrollbars appear to be inverted in mine |
| 01:42.46 | DMJC | I mean vertical slider |
| 01:42.54 | DMJC | my volume controls are all inverted heh |
| 01:42.55 | canllaith | well if you're using KDE you can tick the 'apply colors to non kde applications' |
| 01:43.11 | DMJC | so dragging up lowers volume.. |
| 01:43.12 | slopoke | yeah, but i don't want it done to all non-kde apps |
| 01:43.17 | DMJC | and dragging down raises it.. |
| 01:43.18 | DMJC | heh |
| 01:43.38 | DMJC | still... kde is impressing me |
| 01:44.05 | DMJC | is there any way to ditch that menu at the top of the screen? |
| 01:44.21 | Dhraakellian | which menu? |
| 01:44.29 | fredrikh | slopoke: there's code that does that in kdebase/kcontrol/krdb.cpp, i suppose you could copy & paste the relevant code and create an app that does just that |
| 01:44.34 | DMJC | the one that's like the apple menu but different again |
| 01:45.10 | fredrikh | Alethes: you can set that enviroment var for just one app |
| 01:45.15 | Dhraakellian | a) remove it from your panel |
| 01:45.15 | Dhraakellian | and/or |
| 01:45.15 | Dhraakellian | b)move your panel away from the top of the screen |
| 01:45.16 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 01:45.26 | Alethes | fredrikh: then that's what I'd do |
| 01:45.38 | fredrikh | Alethes: GTK2_RC_FILES is the name of the var |
| 01:45.56 | slopoke | cool, thx fredrikh, i give it a shot |
| 01:46.51 | Dhraakellian | so, could that be used to specify a different gtk theme for certain apps from the commandline? |
| 01:46.52 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 01:48.18 | DietrichR | Ahhh... back in KDE... Using Gnome was such a pain in the ass after having gotten used to all the awesome kde feature |
| 01:48.18 | DietrichR | s |
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| 01:48.32 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:48.45 | Dhraakellian | I imagine gnome has some of those features |
| 01:49.14 | Dhraakellian | they might be harder to access, but I wouldn't be surprised at options and features buried in there somewhere |
| 01:49.48 | fredrikh | Dhraakellian: sure, just type 'GTK2_RC_FILES=/path/to/gtkrc /usr/bin/gtkapp' |
| 01:51.03 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: that too, but I also don't feel like arguing right now |
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| 01:51.34 | fredrikh | when i joined this channel i couldn't imagine i'd be helping ppl with gtk problems ;) |
| 01:51.36 | Dhraakellian | fredrikh: I'll have to remember that if Azureus ever decides to choke on gtk-qt again |
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| 01:52.36 | canllaith | fredrikh: my very first contribution to KDE was writing a then faq entry about GTK apps |
| 01:52.46 | DMJC | kde's only problem IMHO is bloat |
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| 01:52.59 | DMJC | and something about fonts seems cluttered dunno why |
| 01:53.02 | canllaith | DMJC: go and look up 'bloat' in a dictionary blah. |
| 01:53.04 | DMJC | that's just IMHO |
| 01:53.21 | DMJC | well by bloat I mean trying to run a kde app under gnome takes a while to load |
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| 01:53.45 | glick | hi |
| 01:54.05 | canllaith | heh so KDE is bloated because it's slow under gnome? |
| 01:54.07 | glick | excuse me, why are kde default fonts so crappy compared to gnome fonts |
| 01:54.23 | annma | we never cmpare to gnome |
| 01:54.36 | glick | you but cant they have fonts that dont hurt to look at |
| 01:54.36 | fredrikh | DMJC: that's because a bunch of kde services have to start for a KDE app to work |
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| 01:54.52 | annma | glick: screenshot? |
| 01:54.57 | DMJC | fredrikh: is there anyway to make those kde services load on boot? |
| 01:55.02 | DMJC | in the background in gnome/ |
| 01:55.05 | DMJC | ? |
| 01:55.17 | canllaith | not that I know of |
| 01:55.20 | glick | annma: nah not right now |
| 01:55.21 | canllaith | but there is an environment variable you can set |
| 01:55.27 | DMJC | I mean I have 2gb of ram and a dualcore athlon 64, I shouldn't have issues with this stuff |
| 01:55.34 | canllaith | KDE_FULL_SESSION defines whether KDE apps terminate those processes when they finish or not |
| 01:55.40 | glick | its just that gnome default fonts a big, smooth, anti aliased |
| 01:55.43 | DMJC | jjust dump it into ram and let it sit there |
| 01:55.44 | glick | kde fonts are harsh |
| 01:55.47 | glick | and small |
| 01:55.53 | canllaith | DMJC: dude, I do most of my development on my 700MHz/256MB laptop and KDE is fast. What on earth have you done to it? |
| 01:55.56 | glick | like size 9 |
| 01:56.17 | DMJC | canllaith... kde IS fast |
| 01:56.24 | canllaith | glick: gnome sets a different dpi to X's defaults |
| 01:56.27 | DMJC | kde apps under gnome tho take a while to load |
| 01:56.33 | Aji-Dahaka | DMJC: why not just load up kde in the background? |
| 01:56.33 | canllaith | I suspect that's why the fonts seem so different. Just change your KDE default fonts. |
| 01:56.37 | DMJC | KDE itself is damn fast heh |
| 01:56.52 | DMJC | how would you load kde in the background? |
| 01:57.04 | canllaith | DMJC: the first loading is always going to be a little slow but if you set KDE_FULL_SESSION stuff will hang around in memory, thinking you're running KDE |
| 01:57.09 | Aji-Dahaka | DMJC: just load kde and tell it not to load kicker or kwin or kdesktop |
| 01:57.09 | canllaith | rather than unloading, thinking you're running gnome. |
| 01:57.26 | Aji-Dahaka | ooh, good idea :) |
| 01:57.35 | Aji-Dahaka | canllait is extra smart :) |
| 01:57.37 | canllaith | I think that's what that is used for anyway |
| 01:57.45 | DMJC | ah cool |
| 01:57.46 | Aji-Dahaka | (missed the h'h') |
| 01:58.07 | DMJC | btw is there any reason why noone made the opposite to qtgtk? |
| 01:58.40 | Aji-Dahaka | because the gtk themes are ugly :p |
| 01:58.59 | fredrikh | canllaith: we really should do something about the default font settings in kde4 though |
| 01:59.33 | DMJC | heh Aji... I have a friend who agrees with that hh |
| 01:59.43 | DMJC | but I like clean straight edges heh |
| 02:00.20 | Dhraakellian | s/smooth/clean/ |
| 02:00.33 | Aji-Dahaka | I like super-simple and small to any of the themes I've seen for gnome (I'm sure they're out there ...) |
| 02:00.37 | Dhraakellian | no, i didn't, bot |
| 02:00.39 | canllaith | it depends on dpi |
| 02:00.43 | Dhraakellian | s/i/I/ |
| 02:00.44 | canllaith | I'm using 7pt fonts here |
| 02:00.46 | fredrikh | apt is so clever =) |
| 02:00.48 | canllaith | I don't think that should be the default |
| 02:00.52 | Aji-Dahaka | but the customised one I use is ... pretty small |
| 02:00.53 | canllaith | given not everyone is on a screen with such a high dpi |
| 02:01.04 | canllaith | The whole concept of fonts measured in point sizes is kinda flawed |
| 02:01.16 | Aji-Dahaka | is there a way to get rounded corners without window borders on? |
| 02:01.25 | Aji-Dahaka | it's the only think that keeps me with them ... |
| 02:01.42 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: isn't it that a 10pt font should appear to be the same size, no matter what the physical size or resolution of the monitor? |
| 02:01.49 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: but it doesn't =) |
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| 02:02.03 | fredrikh | canllaith: i meant defaulting to use anti-aliased fonts... the dpi issue is another problem |
| 02:02.07 | Dhraakellian | so is it the concept or the implementations that are flawed? |
| 02:02.13 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: if the monitor is set up right, yes |
| 02:02.26 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: The implementation, I guess. |
| 02:02.30 | Aji-Dahaka | the dpi just needs to be set appropriately |
| 02:02.37 | canllaith | No, it's not. The natural dpi of this screen is 106 |
| 02:02.38 | Dhraakellian | iirc, helvetica is actually one of the better fonts to use if you don't have antialiasing |
| 02:02.49 | Dhraakellian | if you have antialiasing, however... |
| 02:02.52 | canllaith | if it's set to that 7pt fonts look great. They're not quite so readable on other screens. |
| 02:03.08 | canllaith | although most of that is that the stupid mac has a stupid arbitrarily decided dpi set that it wont let me change. Bleh. |
| 02:03.26 | fredrikh | canllaith: 72dpi, right? |
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| 02:03.39 | fredrikh | X11 likes 75 and windows likes 96 |
| 02:03.58 | Aji-Dahaka | fredrikh: X11 detects it from what the monitor reports, iirc |
| 02:04.03 | Dhraakellian | Macs look pretty by default, but KDE can look as pretty as you want it to look and whatever kind of pretty you want it to look, but it starts off as only "okayish"? |
| 02:04.13 | fredrikh | Aji-Dahaka: in theory, but you can override it |
| 02:04.14 | canllaith | fredrikh: something dumb like that |
| 02:04.19 | Aji-Dahaka | fredrikh: indeed |
| 02:04.25 | canllaith | fredrikh: on windows I set the dpi to the natural dpi of the monitor and the same under linux |
| 02:04.28 | canllaith | but the mac refuses to let me:( |
| 02:04.55 | canllaith | So I have documents edited on the mac with 12pt fonts that you open on the laptop or my desktop and the fonts are ridiculously huge. Ew =) |
| 02:05.09 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 02:05.22 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: I almost never use anything above 10 |
| 02:05.33 | Aji-Dahaka | must get a smaller theme ... so much wasted screen space ... |
| 02:05.36 | Dhraakellian | 12pt Times New Roman? Ew! |
| 02:05.37 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: the mac, 12 pt is as low as I can go before it gets unreadable |
| 02:05.55 | canllaith | because the whole dpi thing falls down when most people have machines where it's not set correctly and send you documents with 14pt fonts. Yuck! |
| 02:06.28 | DMJC | here's something, are font sizes in gnome and kde different? |
| 02:06.37 | DMJC | I mean the scaling of fonts |
| 02:06.39 | fredrikh | canllaith: i think it has something to do with the fact that apple has defined the size of one pixel to the size of one pt, or something like that... so if you'd actually change it a lot of weird things would happen |
| 02:07.13 | Dhraakellian | fredrikh: since they control both the hardware and the OS? |
| 02:07.38 | fredrikh | still, like keithp said, the actual dpi is irrelevant in a lot of situations... e.g. with wall size displays |
| 02:07.51 | Aji-Dahaka | is there a way to get the tabbars smaller? |
| 02:08.03 | fredrikh | you wouldn't want to use the real dpi in that case, since you'd have to stand a foot from the display to be able to read the text |
| 02:08.08 | Dhraakellian | Aji-Dahaka: use a different theme? |
| 02:08.16 | Dhraakellian | s/theme/style |
| 02:08.22 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: any that you recommend? |
| 02:08.35 | Dhraakellian | or smaller font |
| 02:08.41 | Aji-Dahaka | had to customise my current one to get 1px scrollbars, but there thy are, good as life |
| 02:08.48 | Dhraakellian | I'm partial to plastik or lipstik |
| 02:08.50 | canllaith | fredrikh: those cases are so few |
| 02:09.08 | Aji-Dahaka | I have 5px window border right now, it looks weird to have the tab bar be 3x as big as the window border ... |
| 02:09.32 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: I think that was me ... |
| 02:09.33 | Dhraakellian | Aji-Dahaka: 5px window border? |
| 02:09.36 | Dhraakellian | that's pretty big |
| 02:09.47 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: it's the smallest I can set it |
| 02:09.50 | Dhraakellian | or do you mean titlebar? |
| 02:09.58 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: yeah, titlebar, sorry |
| 02:10.25 | Aji-Dahaka | I'll probably hack at that a bit to get rid of the (likely) arbitrary size restriction ... |
| 02:10.48 | Aji-Dahaka | I only have window borders for the curved corners |
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| 02:11.34 | fredrikh | canllaith: i guess it's really an argument for making it configurable though =) |
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| 02:12.03 | Dhraakellian | Aji-Dahaka: I'm guessing that you use alt+lmb to move and alt+rmb to resize |
| 02:12.27 | Aji-Dahaka | indeed |
| 02:12.36 | Aji-Dahaka | super-great feature, btw |
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| 02:13.13 | Dhraakellian | yeah, I remember glancing at a MS blog to which someone linked |
| 02:13.25 | Aji-Dahaka | aiming for the alt key is much easier than aiming for the titlebar |
| 02:13.26 | Dhraakellian | something about block highlighting being available with alt+lmb |
| 02:13.39 | Dhraakellian | and I'm like, "um... no, that'd totally suck" |
| 02:13.47 | Aji-Dahaka | hehe |
| 02:14.01 | Dhraakellian | Aji-Dahaka: what about bringing something to the top? |
| 02:14.31 | Aji-Dahaka | alt + tab? |
| 02:15.24 | Dhraakellian | and, by "bringing something to the top", I do not mean "bringing a window into focus" |
| 02:15.31 | Dhraakellian | two very different things |
| 02:15.49 | DMJC | what's the kde equivalent to notepad? |
| 02:16.01 | Dhraakellian | kwrite or kedit, I think |
| 02:16.05 | Aji-Dahaka | DMJC: kedit, probably |
| 02:16.16 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: oh, I see what you mean |
| 02:16.17 | Dhraakellian | kate is the advanced version |
| 02:16.28 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: I'm in text mode, let me ponder what I use *think* |
| 02:16.44 | Dhraakellian | that's one thing I really dislike about having to use other environments |
| 02:16.59 | Dhraakellian | I don't like being forced to have the focused window on top |
| 02:17.12 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: nope, I don't use it. The only thing I do to bring something to the top without focus is middle-button + wiggle |
| 02:17.30 | Aji-Dahaka | it's pretty rare for me towant the feature, though |
| 02:17.56 | Aji-Dahaka | if I wanted it visible without focus, I'd keep it "always on top" |
| 02:18.30 | Dhraakellian | I'm afraid I don't quite follow those last couple lines, Aji-Dahaka |
| 02:18.50 | Dhraakellian | "wiggle"? |
| 02:18.56 | Aji-Dahaka | well, the only times that I want something on top and not focused is if I'm "monitoring" the window |
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| 02:19.05 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: like a 0-motion scroll ... |
| 02:19.13 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 02:19.17 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: I'm on a thinkpad so using the *think* intellimouse? |
| 02:19.26 | Dhraakellian | up-down scroll? |
| 02:20.19 | Aji-Dahaka | it would be like that |
| 02:20.29 | Aji-Dahaka | except that it never _actually_ goes up or down |
| 02:20.49 | Aji-Dahaka | but it seems to make the window active |
| 02:20.56 | DMJC | hmm |
| 02:21.14 | DMJC | i have a logitech mouse and libusb was found |
| 02:21.24 | DMJC | but it was not possible to access the mouse |
| 02:21.36 | DMJC | anyone know howto fix that? |
| 02:21.46 | Aji-Dahaka | s/active/on top/ |
| 02:21.51 | Aji-Dahaka | DMJC: not a kde issue |
| 02:21.56 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 02:22.03 | bob | cat /dev/input/mice |
| 02:22.06 | DMJC | here we go |
| 02:22.08 | DMJC | n/m |
| 02:22.08 | Dhraakellian | doesn't work for me |
| 02:22.09 | DMJC | manual has it |
| 02:22.11 | DMJC | :D |
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| 02:22.50 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: huh, maybe it's scrolling side-to-side and I don't notice? I suppose that's possible |
| 02:22.57 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 02:23.11 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: I wrote this feature into my mouse driver and it's a bit weird, but works for me :p |
| 02:23.36 | Dhraakellian | and lo and behold! |
| 02:23.42 | Dhraakellian | autoscroll actually works! |
| 02:24.29 | Dhraakellian | not very smoothly, but it works |
| 02:26.01 | Dhraakellian | horizontal scrollbar, that is |
| 02:26.55 | Aji-Dahaka | why's that? |
| 02:28.09 | Dhraakellian | because I resent the implication that I should have my webbrowser take up so much of my screen |
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| 02:28.21 | Dhraakellian | not that it really matters much for most things |
| 02:28.57 | Dhraakellian | otherwise, it gets a tad claustrophobic |
| 02:28.58 | Aji-Dahaka | oh, I just scroll horizontally ... |
| 02:29.06 | Aji-Dahaka | figure it's no worse than scrolling vertically |
| 02:29.18 | Dhraakellian | Aji-Dahaka: well, I don't have a horizontal scrollwheel |
| 02:29.27 | Aji-Dahaka | oh, get a fake one? |
| 02:29.28 | Dhraakellian | and I don't necessarilly want to use autoscroll |
| 02:29.41 | Dhraakellian | a fake one? |
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| 02:29.55 | Aji-Dahaka | I just hold the middle button and move the mouse (poke at the nipplestick) left and right for left/right scroll |
| 02:30.27 | Aji-Dahaka | oh, eraser mice ... I guess that works |
| 02:30.29 | kayekee | hey hey |
| 02:30.46 | DMJC | does kde have an equivalent to zenity? |
| 02:30.54 | Dhraakellian | Aji-Dahaka: and it makes for a lot fewer jokes in poor taste |
| 02:31.00 | Dhraakellian | what's zenity? |
| 02:31.14 | DMJC | basically it lets you write gtk interfaces into scripts |
| 02:31.36 | DMJC | so you can call up dialog boxes etc in bash scripts |
| 02:31.42 | Dhraakellian | kdialog? |
| 02:31.56 | Aji-Dahaka | Dhraakellian: I suppose it would. |
| 02:31.58 | DMJC | konsole |
| 02:32.03 | DMJC | oops |
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| 02:32.20 | DMJC | yeah kdialog |
| 02:32.21 | DMJC | thanks |
| 02:32.28 | Dhraakellian | you're welcome |
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| 02:33.25 | Dhraakellian | bzflag or nexuiz? |
| 02:33.26 | Dhraakellian | hm |
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| 02:48.11 | wotnarg | Is there a way to make non-pdf kivio files than can be edited on windows? |
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| 02:59.41 | raf256 | l |
| 02:59.47 | raf256 | hi, KDE do not have show-dekstop button? |
| 03:00.01 | raf256 | I would like to have win+D key showing the desktop |
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| 03:04.00 | wotnarg | raf256: In control center you can do that |
| 03:04.24 | raf256 | wotnarg: where exacly? |
| 03:04.43 | wotnarg | accessability > key shortcuts I believe |
| 03:04.58 | wotnarg | also, show desktop should be an applet for kicker |
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| 03:12.07 | raf256 | wotnarg: I dont see no such key |
| 03:13.54 | wotnarg | I guess you can't |
| 03:14.04 | wotnarg | I guess you could set it in minimize window |
| 03:14.06 | wotnarg | and spam it :p |
| 03:14.10 | wotnarg | that might work |
| 03:14.13 | wotnarg | afk though |
| 03:14.50 | raf256 | ah |
| 03:14.58 | raf256 | Panel -> Toggle Showing Desktop |
| 03:15.22 | raf256 | but imho it is confusing, it should go to Miscellaneous or Desktop Switiching section IMHO |
| 03:17.18 | LaForge | anyone know about bluetooth/obex in konqueror? I am having problems browsing the folders |
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| 03:21.20 | boo0rkd | hi |
| 03:21.22 | boo0rkd | wussup |
| 03:21.48 | boo0rkd | how do I get the quick search bar at to the left of my url bar? |
| 03:28.03 | rutski89 | Can KDM log me into my computer without typing my password |
| 03:29.59 | ro28 | rutski89: Yes, just look at the control centre panel for KDM |
| 03:31.35 | rutski89 | ro28: where's that? |
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| 03:32.11 | ro28 | rutski89: do you know how to get to the Control Center? |
| 03:32.47 | Pupeno | [ot] quick poll: what name sounds best to you ? ErServers, ErlServers, Erlvers, Ervers ? (it's for a library written in ERLang to develop Servers) |
| 03:32.50 | rutski89 | ro28: yup |
| 03:33.31 | ro28 | rutski89: then in Control Center, click System Administration->Login Manager. At least, that's the default; certain distros rename the config items |
| 03:33.54 | ro28 | rutski89: then you want the 'Convenience' tab. You can figure it out from there :-) |
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| 03:35.01 | boo0rkd | how do I set google as Konqueror's default page rather than the KDE's? |
| 03:37.04 | rutski89 | ro28: hmm, there is a "Enable Auto Login" and "Enable Passwordless Login" |
| 03:37.06 | boo0rkd | I am confuse about superkaramba and kde 3.5,how do I use them? |
| 03:37.09 | rutski89 | what's the difference i wonder? |
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| 03:37.20 | boo0rkd | I mean they aren't showing nowhere |
| 03:37.23 | benplaut | anyone know of a way to not make desktop switching 'loop', IE, you scroll on the pager, and it goes 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2... |
| 03:37.25 | rutski89 | if they both achive the same then, then whats the difference between the two |
| 03:37.39 | ro28 | rutski89: well, auto login means that kdm will log you in without any input at all. passwordless means you still need to select or type in the username before logging in. |
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| 03:38.51 | rutski89 | ro28: ahh, it's auto login i want then; ty |
| 03:39.08 | rutski89 | ro28: brb, gona try it |
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| 03:46.16 | boo0rkd | hi |
| 03:46.18 | boo0rkd | soo... |
| 03:46.48 | ro28 | So... |
| 03:47.15 | boo0rkd | lol |
| 03:47.29 | boo0rkd | mmm... |
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| 03:47.50 | rutski89 | ro28: it worked :) |
| 03:47.52 | rutski89 | now i need a "programs for KDE to run when i login" list |
| 03:47.54 | rutski89 | where can i find one of those? |
| 03:48.19 | ro28 | rutski89: you want to start some programs automatically when you start KDE? |
| 03:48.26 | rutski89 | ro28: yea |
| 03:49.31 | ro28 | rutski89: well, many KDE apps will automatically restart themselves if you leave them running when you log out; otherwise, create a symbolic link to the program you want to run in ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 03:49.48 | ro28 | rutski89: any executable programs or .desktop files in ~/.kde/Autostart will be run when you log in |
| 03:50.30 | rutski89 | ro28: ahh, yea; i know that apps will restart, but i want an app to start and only if i log in at a specific time of the day, and only if i'm at home and not out (this is my laptop) |
| 03:51.26 | rutski89 | ro28: .kde/Autostart is perfect, thanks :) |
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| 04:10.18 | benplaut | if i put an executable .bash file in ~/.kde/Autostart, it will execute during login, right? |
| 04:11.15 | ro28 | benplaut: yes, as long as you make the file executable and make the first line '#!/bin/sh' or similar |
| 04:11.18 | SMiLeaf | can anything tell the difference between a script and a binary? :) |
| 04:12.29 | benplaut | SMiLeaf: open it in a text editor |
| 04:12.39 | benplaut | if it's all gibberish, it's a binary |
| 04:12.51 | benplaut | that's my test :P |
| 04:12.54 | SMiLeaf | as long as it's executable.. not much cares :P |
| 04:13.02 | ro28 | 'file /path/to/file' |
| 04:13.10 | ro28 | 'file' is one of my favourite commands ever |
| 04:13.24 | SMiLeaf | ro28: Ok be technical :| |
| 04:13.58 | SMiLeaf | lol |
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| 04:36.34 | Ertain | So I take it no one's here. Figures. :-( |
| 04:37.18 | drzoot | would someone be able to take a quick look at this bash http://rafb.net/paste/results/yKv6sM88.html and maybe tell me why the line after '#create account' doesnt execute? the error message given is no such file or dirctory. i know im missing something stupid here |
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| 04:50.29 | Jellygraph | benplaut: yes, and to make it executable ( chmod +x filename ) |
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| 05:20.24 | saite2342 | i have a little problem with Konqueror and cookies: sometimes i need to modify a cookie (testing mostly), to do that i have found out only 2 ways (so far) 1st use a browser/tool that allows this (not preferable, i like konqueror) and 2nd cp kcookiejar/cookies /tmp/foo; vi /tmp/foo; kcookiejar --shutdown; cp /tmp/foo kcookiejar/cookies; kcookiejar. |
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| 05:57.44 | oc12 | Is it possible to have Kontact sync with 3 systems on the same network? |
| 06:00.47 | oc12 | with SUSE 10, KDE 3.4.2 |
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| 06:48.22 | _mdeanda_ | hi all.. this is weird, my mouse wheel scrolls desktops by two instead of one. when i wheel over the pager, it goes by one ok. does anybody know how to fix it? |
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| 07:14.38 | Jeaton | im wanting to learn to build guis for KDE but im not wanting to use kdevelop |
| 07:14.50 | Jeaton | i want to purely code it and im not interested in QT |
| 07:15.51 | Ginsu_Squirrel | then you want to make a generic X app... not a kde app |
| 07:16.13 | Jeaton | why, do kde apps use QT? |
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| 07:17.05 | krailinger | hallo |
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| 07:17.22 | Ginsu_Squirrel | Jeaton: yes... thats what a kde app is |
| 07:17.24 | HuntsMan | Jeaton: may i ask why do you don't want to use Qt? |
| 07:17.26 | igotyofire | is there a way to make kde more lightweight, less resource hoggy? |
| 07:18.15 | Jeaton | well, i was reading that QT could be use even for windows |
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| 07:18.52 | HuntsMan | yep |
| 07:18.55 | Ginsu_Squirrel | Jeaton: and thats a bad thing? |
| 07:19.15 | Jeaton | well, portability isn't always a good thing |
| 07:19.25 | Jeaton | you sacrfies speed with portability |
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| 07:20.05 | hooya | anyone know if mixing Pthreads with Qt/KDE is a sane thing to do? |
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| 07:21.35 | Jeaton | of course though, if you need QT to create KDE apps, then ill use it |
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| 07:22.35 | Jeaton | i just wasn't aware of that |
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| 07:23.19 | macisaac | Jeaton: hmm, we have a jeaton here too, you're not the same one are you? |
| 07:23.35 | Jeaton | where is here? |
| 07:23.38 | macisaac | cmu |
| 07:23.42 | Jeaton | no |
| 07:24.02 | macisaac | ah ok. |
| 07:24.26 | Jeaton | is his name actually jeaton? |
| 07:24.40 | macisaac | logon name. jeff eaton, our cyrus hacker |
| 07:24.48 | Jeaton | ah |
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| 07:25.43 | Jeaton | same last name, then |
| 07:25.49 | macisaac | but yes, you can code using whatever toolkit you want, but as far as I know, kde programming == qt programming |
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| 07:25.57 | macisaac | pretty much |
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| 07:26.02 | Jeaton | ok |
| 07:26.12 | ultrav1olet | Help! After I have upgraded to glib2 2.9.2 many KDE application stopped functioning. E.g. after running KDesktop I've got this error message: ***MEMORY-ERROR***: [2692]: GSlice: failed to allocate 248 bytes (alignment: 256): Invalid argument |
| 07:26.43 | Jeaton | well, thanks for your guys help |
| 07:26.51 | Jeaton | and I have me some qt learning to do |
| 07:27.18 | macisaac | qt programming is a beautiful thing from what I can see |
| 07:27.37 | hooya | except when i tried to throw in some pthreads and poof... |
| 07:28.04 | ultrav1olet | kicker doesn't show its transparency no more, all kde looks weird and broken |
| 07:28.38 | hooya | not quite so beautiful anymore. anyone know if the 'poof' was because of pthreads or me doing something boneheaded or both ;) |
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| 07:29.06 | macisaac | I'm not sure, but what version of qt, from where? |
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| 07:30.04 | raddy1 | Hello Everybody |
| 07:30.30 | raddy1 | i can't find text ind |
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| 07:41.57 | Aji-Dahaka | Jeaton: no fears, qt is well-documented |
| 07:43.37 | hooya | anyone know if Qt/KDE + Pthread is workable? |
| 07:45.16 | Aji-Dahaka | huh? yeah, qt-mt is a multi-threaded qt |
| 07:45.29 | Aji-Dahaka | I use -lpthread or -lc_r with it |
| 07:45.39 | Aji-Dahaka | it also works with -lkse, I think |
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| 07:47.40 | hooya | Aji-Dahaka: as soon as i update a Qt widget from within a pthread it seems to croak. if i just print messages to the console from the thread it's fine. |
| 07:47.53 | hooya | maybe i'm missing a flag to the compiler or something? |
| 07:48.36 | Aji-Dahaka | are you linking into qt-mt (if it's separate on your system)? |
| 07:50.29 | hooya | yes |
| 07:50.55 | Aji-Dahaka | hmm ... |
| 07:51.20 | Aji-Dahaka | I fear I've not much experience actually doing it, but I had thought it was fine |
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| 07:52.00 | hooya | Aji-Dahaka: i thought so too since i read somewhere that Qt.Thread was based on Pthread. |
| 07:52.33 | hooya | i also read to turn on -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT and -D_REENTRANT. do those make any sense to you? |
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| 08:10.28 | Aji-Dahaka | hmm ... they are defines for files, ideally they would say what to and not to enable in a header file |
| 08:10.41 | Aji-Dahaka | (to allow non-threaded versions to use less memory and such) |
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| 08:14.09 | hooya | Aji-Dahaka: i tried it with it on and off and it seems that if the widgets get a lot of updates, they choke. one in 5 seconds, they handle it fine. if i let it run normally, (a burst of about 500 updates in the first go, then maybe about 1 in 10 seconds) they choke right off the bat. which seems to me like the ui thread is trying to handle a previous update while the pthread is adding yet more updates and that's what kills it. cout the updates |
| 08:14.09 | hooya | and the app stays running just fine. bummed. |
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| 08:18.01 | litage | if i assign the combo ctrl+shift+i to firefox in control center's keyboard shortcuts and then test the combo, nothing happens. but if i assign any other combo, firefox starts. how can i figure out what else is using ctrl+shift+i? |
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| 08:23.51 | arrinmurr | how can i clear the entire history of things entered into various forms on webpages in konqueror? |
| 08:24.08 | Aji-Dahaka | in control center: |
| 08:24.14 | Aji-Dahaka | go to the security & privacy section |
| 08:24.32 | Aji-Dahaka | there's a control there where you can cleare all form data |
| 08:25.50 | arrinmurr | Aji-Dahaka: thank you |
| 08:26.11 | litage | where can you set hotkeys such as alt+1 activates tab1, alt+2 activates tab2, etc? i can't find it anymore =P |
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| 08:29.30 | slicslak | applicable salutations of your time zone to you all. |
| 08:31.02 | slicslak | i have hidden the icons on my desktop but still want to access them. so i added a quick browser link to the KDE panel which is conveient. now the only thing i would like to do is access this only with the kb. similar to alt-F1 for the menu. i looked through hot keys, etc. but couldn't find anything. anyone have any advice on how to do similar to what i would like? |
| 08:33.09 | Aji-Dahaka | global hotkeys sound like what you'd want ... |
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| 09:03.31 | litage | Aji-Dahaka: where do you edit global hotkeys? |
| 09:03.54 | Aji-Dahaka | in kcontrol |
| 09:04.11 | Aji-Dahaka | under accessibility or some such |
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| 09:05.25 | litage | Aji-Dahaka: do you know where you set which key combo activates a particular tab (rather than just next/prev tab)? |
| 09:05.42 | Aji-Dahaka | oop, no idea there ... |
| 09:06.06 | Aji-Dahaka | I'm not in kde right now so I can't check very easily 9cli only right now) |
| 09:06.24 | litage | i did it in kde3.3, but can't find the option in 3.4 =/ |
| 09:09.36 | litage | well, thanks for your help! |
| 09:11.27 | slicslak | litage, i saw something similar in khotkeys under konq gestures |
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| 09:12.29 | slicslak | anyone know how to call dcop object functions from the cli? |
| 09:12.48 | ananth126 | there is a dcop utility |
| 09:13.08 | StevenR | slicslak: use `dcop` |
| 09:14.03 | slicslak | yes, it was obvious. :-) |
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| 09:14.52 | ananth126 | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-dcop/?ca=dgr-kdeml01KDEDCOP |
| 09:15.17 | ananth126 | they have a small console tutorial |
| 09:15.22 | PhilRod | ~dcoptut |
| 09:15.25 | apt | i guess dcoptut is http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/36/KDE_Scripting_DCOP.pdf |
| 09:16.11 | slicslak | excellant. i now have a simple khotkeys that displays desktop icons, waits 15s and makes them dissapear. functional and pretty! |
| 09:18.06 | litage | i'll check that out, slicslak |
| 09:18.34 | PhilRod | slicslak: heh, that's neat. Do you have somewhere you could put it online? maybe kde-look |
| 09:18.59 | PhilRod | little tweaks like that are a nice way to show off what KDE and dcop, etc can do |
| 09:19.12 | PhilRod | and they're usually pretty easy too |
| 09:19.23 | slicslak | yes, surprisingly so |
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| 09:20.40 | slicslak | it's implemented in two actions. the first a dcop call to kdesktop to show the icons. i found the functionality using kdcop, a nice dcop manager |
| 09:20.40 | Aji-Dahaka | even easier if dcop were well documented ... |
| 09:21.02 | slicslak | the second action had to be implemented on the cli to take advantage of sleep. here its: sleep 15s && dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface setIconsEnabled false |
| 09:21.45 | PhilRod | Aji-Dahaka: I'm trying to do some work to make it possible to have good docs for KDE 4 (where DBUS will probably be used). If you're interested, drop me an email |
| 09:21.48 | PhilRod | phil@kde.org |
| 09:22.15 | PhilRod | s/do some work/persuade others to do the work/ |
| 09:22.46 | slicslak | what's funny is didn't even know what dcop was or that it existed 15 min ago. :-) |
| 09:23.36 | slicslak | PhilRod, lol |
| 09:24.31 | slicslak | alright, back to coding.... |
| 09:25.09 | Aji-Dahaka | PhilRod: I'll definitely be interested in dbus/dcop/whatever is chosen. Docs work and programming would be great :) |
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| 09:25.28 | oGALAXYo | what whatever will be chosen ? |
| 09:25.33 | oGALAXYo | kde uses dcop |
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| 09:26.25 | Aji-Dahaka | slicslak: is the s necessary with the version of sleep you have? |
| 09:26.25 | Aji-Dahaka | ogkde4 ... |
| 09:26.36 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: kde 4 uses dcop |
| 09:27.04 | oGALAXYo | there's just a small subset using dbus (just some interfaces).. |
| 09:27.07 | PhilRod | oGALAXYo: kde 4 doesn't exist yet :-). But there is the possibility that it will use dbus for ipc |
| 09:27.10 | Aji-Dahaka | but is that the plan for the long-term? |
| 09:27.14 | Aji-Dahaka | I've heard much speak of dbus |
| 09:27.28 | oGALAXYo | dbus my ass. i dont like GNOME crap to move inside KDE |
| 09:27.29 | Aji-Dahaka | (kde-core-devel list, for instance) |
| 09:27.33 | oGALAXYo | but thats my personal opinion. |
| 09:27.45 | ananth126 | does dbus for kde exist already ??????? |
| 09:27.56 | Aji-Dahaka | is dbus gnome? I had thought that gnome just _used_ dbus |
| 09:28.10 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: not even GNOME uses dbus really these days. |
| 09:28.28 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: gnome's IPC is still amixture mess with corba and bonobo. |
| 09:28.49 | oGALAXYo | and yes some tools use dbus too.. which adds another set of crap ontop of gnome. |
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| 09:29.23 | Aji-Dahaka | meh, I leave the fight to those who make decisions / are willing to implement the thing |
| 09:29.50 | PhilRod | well, gnome aside, dbus is used by various freedesktop stuff like hal, IIRC |
| 09:30.00 | oGALAXYo | i would really wish and vote that kde goes its own way, leaving the gnome people where they are... behind! |
| 09:30.14 | oGALAXYo | hal is even worse than dbus |
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| 09:30.25 | oGALAXYo | it shouldnt be touched in first place. |
| 09:31.27 | oGALAXYo | while the idea for HAL has some good aspects i otoh dislike the implementation and all the hype around it as great solution.. while in reality its the worst solution ever. |
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| 09:32.13 | oGALAXYo | i recall the first days when the gnome crowd announced hal as some sort of "the messia returnes" to the community, making more noise around it than it really worth it. |
| 09:32.23 | PhilRod | disclaimer for those listening: oGALAXYo's opinions are his own and not necessarily those of the KDE project (in fact, that goes for all of us in here - no one speaks for "KDE", just themselves :-) |
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| 09:32.44 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: /topic ... |
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| 09:33.10 | oGALAXYo | a good IPC mechanism is needed that communicates between kernel and userland stuff. then we can get rid of all the crap like /dev/ /proc/ /sys/ etc... because the IPC mechanism can directly communicate (sending messages and semaphores) to userland stuff. |
| 09:33.35 | oGALAXYo | PhilRod: i initially said that these are my own opinion, and i believe i am quite right here. |
| 09:34.51 | PhilRod | yes, and I emphasized it :-) |
| 09:34.51 | oGALAXYo | things like hal, dbus only shows the big limitations between unix kernel implementations -> desktop and userland needs. |
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| 09:35.24 | oGALAXYo | PhilRod: in case you disagree you can come up with arguments where i am wrong. |
| 09:35.50 | Aji-Dahaka | the *nix systems could use some addage of standardised utilities in places that it lacks |
| 09:36.09 | ananth126 | anyone used dbus ??? whats the advantage, if any, over dcop ? |
| 09:36.10 | Aji-Dahaka | I'm not sure if a standardised ipc is any better than utilities and libraries that are standard, htothough ... |
| 09:36.11 | oGALAXYo | define "standardised utilities".. |
| 09:36.40 | PhilRod | oGALAXYo: I'm not saying I agree or disagree, just emphasizing what you said, that it's your personal opinion, so we don't get people thinking it's the "official" view of KDE, or something |
| 09:37.10 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: well, for an example, mount is a standardised utility (and function) and can be used readily from kde or anything else |
| 09:37.13 | PhilRod | anyway, you'd probably do better to make these arguments somewhere where there are developers who have the ability to act on them |
| 09:37.15 | oGALAXYo | ananth126: none, except that dbus is independant to a desktop (though we all know that it was invented due to lacks and limitations of the GNOME desktop). the advantages (amongst a few are) independency of desktop... |
| 09:37.21 | Aji-Dahaka | ogifconfig as well is pretty standard, but with the addition of wireless in recent years, it seems that every OS has come up with their own way to access it |
| 09:38.01 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: these are not standard utilities.. these are 'implementations' of tools like those found in the gnu toolchain. |
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| 09:38.37 | Aji-Dahaka | meh, they definitely exist outside the gnu toolchain |
| 09:38.43 | Aji-Dahaka | and the libraries are in fact pretty standard |
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| 09:39.12 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: no... the mount from util-linux package is clearly a different mount than found on solaris or bsd. |
| 09:39.21 | ananth126 | oGalaxyo: can dcop become desktop independant ? |
| 09:39.47 | ananth126 | since it already works great.... why reinvent another messaging mechanism ? :) |
| 09:39.58 | deitarion | Is it possible to use QScintilla as the source viewing control for KDevelop? (When I tried 3.x KDE the code folding was full of bugs so I've been using SciTE) I asked in #kdevelop but nobody seems to be up. |
| 09:40.10 | deitarion | Correction: when I tried 3.2 KDE |
| 09:40.15 | StevenR | Paleo: ping |
| 09:40.23 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: close enough for government work |
| 09:40.32 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: on amiga or morphos we don't even have 'mount' since mounting is something done automatically by the kernel when inserting the cd or usb stick... we dont even have half of the libraries found on linux or other systems.. since morphos or amigaos are non POSIX systems but yet they use some subset of a few ported tools and do offer some sort of standard C lib implementation with basic functions which are mirrored to amiga internal func |
| 09:40.32 | oGALAXYo | tions. |
| 09:41.11 | Aji-Dahaka | bah ... non-POSIC systems ... |
| 09:41.18 | Aji-Dahaka | POSIX&* |
| 09:41.22 | oGALAXYo | actually its POSIX |
| 09:41.38 | oGALAXYo | yeah you may laugh neither linux, bsd, solaris are fully POSIX compliant. |
| 09:41.51 | Aji-Dahaka | yeah ... actually my wi-fi connection is inserting 20+ second lag ... |
| 09:42.02 | Aji-Dahaka | normally I would alugh much faster |
| 09:42.03 | StevenR | oGALAXYo: is any OS actually fully posix complient? |
| 09:42.13 | oGALAXYo | they support some subset of POSIX for a few things since the POSIX specification is fatter than the size from your left butt to the right (in written paper) :) |
| 09:42.25 | oGALAXYo | StevenR: i doubt this.. |
| 09:42.32 | deitarion | At least it's more consistent across platforms than trying to port to/from Windows. |
| 09:42.38 | StevenR | oGALAXYo: that sounds a like a now-fun-to-read document |
| 09:42.51 | StevenR | s/now/no |
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| 09:46.15 | oGALAXYo | i think the open source people are making a slight mistake.. they are easily impressable with fancy new things.. e.g. like the hype around HAL as the ultimative solution for reporting hardware stuff to desktops etc.. (while the initial meaning of hal is something between hardware and kernel) and not after kernel boot and then run as deamon or something.. i think if people would clearly know more about architectures and operating systems then it |
| 09:46.15 | oGALAXYo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:47.04 | oGALAXYo | it only adds something that is missing from the kernel side (communication between kernel and userland through devices as it was and the devices didnt gave enough infos).. so instead solving the real solution.. somebody created a workaround to solve a nonexisting problem.. leaving the kernel in the same bad constitution it was before. |
| 09:47.22 | oGALAXYo | just my opinion </PhilRod Mode> |
| 09:47.37 | PhilRod | :-) |
| 09:49.55 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: feel free to implement one? |
| 09:50.58 | PhilRod | need...coffee... |
| 09:51.07 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: look over to hurd for example, they are doing this already. amiga/aros/morphos kernel do have something like this called "exec" for over 20 years, so do old macs (probably osx too, dunno here). |
| 09:51.38 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: you need only implement a good kernel <-> userland interface in one OS and convince people that it's good, and it seems they would go far it |
| 09:51.46 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: under your very theory ... |
| 09:52.00 | oGALAXYo | right |
| 09:52.24 | Aji-Dahaka | just make it good and present it flashily, right? |
| 09:52.40 | Aji-Dahaka | you'll have OSS devs jumping at the chance to implement it in <insert off-brand OS here> |
| 09:52.46 | hawking | Is there a network manager for kde to change the network settings quickly? |
| 09:52.51 | hawking | I mean I have to change at home and uni |
| 09:53.36 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: thats a big problem inside the OSS community to convince people. other people clearly have own ideas as well and its problematic finding an arrangement to cover everyones agreement. |
| 09:54.10 | redhook | hawking: you mean for wireless? |
| 09:54.27 | redhook | hawking: cause wpa_supplicant works great for that |
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| 09:54.52 | hawking | redhook : I have three... a wireless , one dhcp ethernet , and the other is static ethernet |
| 09:55.14 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: do you recall the old "hotplug" stuff that has been sold as good stuff for a while (dunno if its still so since udev does all that stuff now) .. it was a subset of one bazillion scripts to deal with these things... people got thrilled by it quickly and then it was wide spread to be a good thing.. while it was just a big mess with dozens of scripts. |
| 09:55.36 | redhook | hawking: I use wpa_supplicant for wireless and ifplugd for wired, although I dont use a static ip on any networks |
| 09:55.56 | hawking | redhook I see |
| 09:56.10 | redhook | hawking: what distro are you running? |
| 09:56.18 | hawking | redhook ubuntu |
| 09:56.28 | redhook | hawking: I think you can get networkmanager for that |
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| 09:58.07 | zoggy | hey there, does anyone know how to (temporarily) uninstall kde please - we're having a problem since installing kde3.5 and the suggested solution is to uninstall kde, install libdjvulibre15 and then reinstall, thanks a *lot* |
| 09:58.18 | zoggy | http://www.nabble.com/Re:-kde-3.5-again-p2082795.html |
| 09:58.50 | redhook | zoggy: remove it with your distro's package manager |
| 09:59.30 | zoggy | thanks redhook, i tried, but it's not happy with me |
| 09:59.31 | oGALAXYo | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5.0-1_all.deb |
| 09:59.33 | oGALAXYo | E: ? |
| 09:59.39 | zoggy | i'll paste the error now |
| 09:59.39 | gravix_ | can u guys see what im typin |
| 09:59.46 | oGALAXYo | gravix_: yes |
| 09:59.53 | gravix_ | cool |
| 10:00.15 | zoggy | yup i don't know what the E: is about, the error we get after upgrading to kde3.5 |
| 10:00.17 | Aji-Dahaka | aeoubah ... wireless timed out~[3~[3~[3~[3~ |
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| 10:00.24 | PhilRod | zoggy: paste to a pasteboard please if it's longer than one or two lines |
| 10:00.35 | zoggy | ok will do, thanks |
| 10:00.57 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: old hotplug stuff? nope, not at all |
| 10:01.04 | Aji-Dahaka | ogI fear that I'm terrible with the history ... |
| 10:02.11 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: yeah that stuff found here http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/ |
| 10:02.13 | Aji-Dahaka | ah, much better |
| 10:02.36 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: huh, linux, huh? how is it? |
| 10:02.51 | oGALAXYo | eh ? |
| 10:03.13 | Aji-Dahaka | oh, well, hotplug on linux. I've not tried it (and barely tried linux) |
| 10:03.20 | oGALAXYo | ah ok. |
| 10:03.23 | Tm_T | hehe |
| 10:03.40 | Aji-Dahaka | so what does this hotplug actually do? what problem does it solve? |
| 10:03.41 | oGALAXYo | well i am more a linux person here... i also maintain a kernel SCSI module.. |
| 10:04.53 | Aji-Dahaka | scsi, that's good stuff |
| 10:04.57 | zoggy | here is the error - http://rafb.net/paste/results/Sm4oQq59.html |
| 10:05.18 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: well hotplug communicated with /sys iirc and due to some hotplug events sent from the kernel it executed scripts to mount, unmount, etc. things such as usb sticks, drives, ipods, and other things... dunno if i get the things straight since its quite some time where i dealt with it (at the end it executed a shitload of scripts).. that stuff is now done by udev (which replaced hotplug in later versions).. |
| 10:05.32 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: yeah the tekram dc 385 uwf scsi driver. |
| 10:05.57 | oGALAXYo | though i dont have that card anymore when i switched to IDE drives completely. |
| 10:06.24 | PhilRod | Aji-Dahaka, oGALAXYo |
| 10:06.27 | PhilRod | ;d'oh |
| 10:06.27 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: okay. I've tried udev. That is often a very difficult problem. How to handle diynamic hardware and perform actions on hardware events |
| 10:06.32 | Aji-Dahaka | PhilRod: yo |
| 10:06.51 | PhilRod | Aji-Dahaka, oGALAXYo: that (hotplug) sounds a little like devd on freebsd. I wonder if they're similar |
| 10:07.07 | Aji-Dahaka | PhilRod: I think udev is a little more like devd, iirc |
| 10:07.15 | Aji-Dahaka | but they all 3 take care of the same problem, it seems |
| 10:07.32 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: exactly, see the complexity.. that would have been a non issue if there was a good IPC mechanism in kernel which communicates with userland.. then the driver people can write proper drivers with information and the users wont need to care for udev and all this dynamic stuff anymore. |
| 10:07.47 | PhilRod | zoggy: is that the error you get when installing kdelibs-data? |
| 10:07.48 | Aji-Dahaka | (speaking of freebsd, wish they would solve the mounted umass removal issue) |
| 10:07.56 | oGALAXYo | PhilRod: well its quite some time when i dealt with bsd... a few years ago.. |
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| 10:08.13 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: out of curiosity, are you a userland driver person (by preference)? |
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| 10:08.32 | oGALAXYo | Aji-Dahaka: yes, i do like the idea.. |
| 10:08.34 | PhilRod | Aji-Dahaka: heh, I can reproducibly crash the freebsd kernel with my mum's digital camera just by unplugging it :-) |
| 10:08.56 | Aji-Dahaka | PhilRod: ouch. though I think the umass one is more annoying (broader scope) |
| 10:09.08 | Aji-Dahaka | oGALAXYo: I have to admit, I like it also ... |
| 10:09.10 | PhilRod | in fact, I posted a bt to a pr. I wonder if it got any attention |
| 10:09.28 | zoggy | PhilRod: yes i've pasted a detailed description of our steps here - http://rafb.net/paste/results/k9J9y768.html |
| 10:09.31 | PhilRod | zoggy: the upshot is that your packages are broken, so it would be best to ask in #yourdistro |
| 10:09.46 | zoggy | oh ok, makes sense, thanks a lot |
| 10:09.53 | zoggy | cheers! |
| 10:10.33 | PhilRod | zoggy: but the advice in line 44 seems to make sense |
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| 10:10.52 | PhilRod | from what I can tell of the error message (I don't use debian, so I'm just guessing) |
| 10:11.15 | zoggy | great, thanks a plenty PhilRod |
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| 11:12.21 | Jellygraph | ... |
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| 11:19.08 | tty56 | does anybody know which kde komponentsi need to start in order to enable drag and drop |
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| 11:19.57 | Aji-Dahaka | drag and drop? |
| 11:20.01 | oGALAXYo | eh ? |
| 11:20.09 | oGALAXYo | d&d is an X protocol (at least there are a few) |
| 11:20.15 | oGALAXYo | it should be automagically be there. |
| 11:20.19 | oGALAXYo | whenever you start a KDE app |
| 11:21.23 | Aji-Dahaka | was wondering if he meant more than that ... |
| 11:21.42 | oGALAXYo | yeah he probably has a non KDE app that dont support drag and drop |
| 11:21.46 | oGALAXYo | in that case "bad luck" |
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| 11:28.59 | misterx | hi@all |
| 11:29.39 | misterx | hab ein prob mit linux dvd abzuspielen kann mir einer helfen ? bitte |
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| 11:29.50 | Jellygraph | dvdcss |
| 11:30.09 | misterx | nich so schnell war vorher windoofs nutzer |
| 11:30.25 | misterx | der zeigt immer das codecs fehlen |
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| 11:44.38 | hareldvd | can I use qt4 on KDE3.5? |
| 11:45.27 | ananth126 | not all programs will compile cleanly with qt4 |
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| 11:45.52 | ananth126 | the porting to qt4 is still going on.... i think the kdelibs (latest svn) compiles but most of the stuff is still broken. |
| 11:46.20 | ananth126 | you can however, run qt4 programs under kde 3.5 :) |
| 11:46.36 | hareldvd | Thanx. ananth126. |
| 11:46.47 | ananth126 | welcome |
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| 11:47.38 | wfq | hi |
| 11:47.54 | wfq | i have a big problem with kde keyboard |
| 11:48.41 | wfq | my keyboard doesn't work when I am logging in kde |
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| 11:49.24 | benJIman | wfq: you sure you havn't activated stickykeys or slowkeys or something? try holding down shift for 10s |
| 11:49.39 | wfq | but, this only happens when i am loggin as normal user... as root this doesn't happen |
| 11:50.56 | benJIman | wfq: or check in ~/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc |
| 11:51.20 | benJIman | that bouncekeys/stickykeys/slowkeys etc are false |
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| 11:52.48 | wfq | benjiman, this is the problem because i have read the $HOME/.xsessions-errors and i have obtained the followins messages: Bad Access (attempt to access private resource denied) kde problem |
| 11:53.18 | benJIman | wfq: "grep -i ".*Keys=true" ~/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc" does that return anything ? |
| 11:54.01 | wfq | one moment, please |
| 11:54.19 | wfq | i am in other computer |
| 11:54.42 | benJIman | 90% of the "keyboard not working" complaints in kde seem to be people enabling stickykeys or similar |
| 11:55.04 | benJIman | so worth checking first |
| 11:55.17 | wfq | ok, thanks |
| 11:58.22 | Jellygraph | Anyone have an idea why my laptop, with an AthlonXP 2800+, says it is an Athlon 64 / Operton processor? |
| 11:58.40 | wfq | benjiman, slowkeys is true in $HOME/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc file |
| 11:58.43 | Jellygraph | I noticed as well, when Windows used to be running on this, that Windows used an AMD64 driver |
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| 11:59.30 | benJIman | wfq: set it to false then |
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| 11:59.59 | wfq | benjiman, ok... the problem is solved... |
| 12:00.05 | wfq | benjiman, thank you very much |
| 12:00.11 | benJIman | no problem |
| 12:00.40 | wfq | benjiman, but why does it happen this problem? |
| 12:00.54 | wfq | I don't know |
| 12:00.56 | benJIman | wfq: it's an accessability feature, if you hold down certain hotkeys for a long period of time it will enable them |
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| 12:01.19 | benJIman | wfq: you can disable them in kcontrol -> regional & accessability -> accessability -> activation guestures |
| 12:01.37 | wfq | benjiman, ok... Thank you very mucha again... |
| 12:01.49 | wfq | excuse me, much |
| 12:02.04 | wfq | and excuse me for my bad english |
| 12:02.08 | wfq | i am spanish |
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| 12:04.00 | solid_liq | anyone know how to recover a password from kdewallet when the password for the wallet has been forgotten? |
| 12:04.10 | solid_liq | or if it's even possible? |
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| 12:04.40 | koala_man | sounds impossible |
| 12:04.49 | wfq | sorry, i don't use this app.. |
| 12:04.59 | solid_liq | I really hope it's not impossible |
| 12:05.35 | solid_liq | I have a password for a client's server saved in a kdewallet, I'm the one who set it, and I'm the only one who knows it... If I can't get it, it's really bad |
| 12:06.23 | Aji-Dahaka | brute-force ... |
| 12:06.39 | solid_liq | do you know how it's stored? |
| 12:06.49 | Jellygraph | heh, go visit a hypnotist to get him to retrieve your password |
| 12:07.03 | solid_liq | ... |
| 12:07.22 | decOding | what is KDE developers channel? |
| 12:08.59 | PhilRod | #kde-devel |
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| 12:15.04 | Aji-Dahaka | solid_liq: encrypted into the file via that password? |
| 12:15.23 | solid_liq | Aji-Dahaka: different password, I can't remember the password for the wallet either |
| 12:15.56 | Aji-Dahaka | I recall |
| 12:15.59 | benJIman | solid_liq: someone said you can create a fake application profile that will allow you unrestricted access to the wallet |
| 12:16.11 | solid_liq | how do I do that? |
| 12:16.32 | Aji-Dahaka | benJIman: are you sure that works? |
| 12:16.35 | koala_man | you can't do that without first opening the wallet |
| 12:16.43 | Aji-Dahaka | that's what I had thought |
| 12:16.47 | benJIman | Aji-Dahaka: not tried it myself, but could be worth a try |
| 12:17.10 | benJIman | solid_liq: try editing ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc |
| 12:17.39 | solid_liq | benJIman: K, thanks! |
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| 12:18.17 | Aji-Dahaka | I had thought it to be (relatively) secure |
| 12:18.56 | Aji-Dahaka | I'd try brute-forcing it ... especially if you know some of the limits on passwords you use (letters, numbers, caps, approximate sizes) ... could really reduce the time it takes to break it :) |
| 12:19.15 | solid_liq | benJIman: nothing in there will help |
| 12:19.26 | solid_liq | Aji-Dahaka: it's a long password :( |
| 12:19.47 | solid_liq | letters, numbers, and I think I put symbols in there as well |
| 12:19.52 | Aji-Dahaka | see, that cuts down the number of possibilities a lot :) |
| 12:20.00 | Aji-Dahaka | any ctrl characters or nulls or anything? |
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| 12:20.02 | carsten | solid_liq: that info helps as well. if you know it is longer then 8 but shorter then 12 chars that will reduce the time by 98% or so |
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| 12:20.10 | Aji-Dahaka | indeed |
| 12:20.34 | solid_liq | I think it's closer to 14... |
| 12:20.49 | solid_liq | that's still a lot of permutations |
| 12:20.54 | koala_man | reduce the time by 98% down to a hundred billion years |
| 12:21.10 | Aji-Dahaka | and if you restrict it to just letters (26 * 2) and numbers (10) and regular characters (15ish?) you're already at only 77 possible characters |
| 12:21.18 | carsten | koala_man: well, if you then reduce the possible chars by 50% or so that is another 98% |
| 12:21.24 | decOding | I'll ask this too here: can I compile in KDevelop simple c++ code without using ./configure which takes like 3 minutes to compile 10 lines of code? |
| 12:21.42 | carsten | decOding: configure needs to be run only once |
| 12:22.00 | solid_liq | according to bc, that's 257555099046722087448523609 permutations |
| 12:22.08 | decOding | carsten: k but there is no way to compile simple code just like "g++ -o file file.cpp" ? |
| 12:22.08 | koala_man | carsten: down to two billion years :P |
| 12:22.12 | decOding | that fast I mean |
| 12:22.18 | benJIman | solid_liq: yeah the auto-allow only works if you've previously opened the wallet for another app I think |
| 12:22.21 | carsten | decOding: in the shell, yes |
| 12:22.28 | carsten | decOding: you also don't need to use autohell |
| 12:22.28 | decOding | :) thanks |
| 12:22.33 | carsten | use scons, cmake or others |
| 12:22.42 | decOding | autoshell u mean |
| 12:22.56 | decOding | or autohell ? |
| 12:23.00 | carsten | hell :) |
| 12:23.05 | solid_liq | benJIman: right, and I created a seperate wallet for work accounts, which has no autoallow, and that's the one I can't remember the password for :( |
| 12:23.07 | carsten | I mean the autotools, but we call the autohell |
| 12:23.33 | benJIman | solid_liq: you can create autoallow in the config file |
| 12:23.49 | solid_liq | benJIman: but it has to be opened first |
| 12:23.50 | decOding | :)) |
| 12:24.08 | solid_liq | benJIman: and nothing has that password save to autoopen it |
| 12:24.24 | Aji-Dahaka | solid_liq: is that 77 ^ 14? |
| 12:24.33 | solid_liq | Aji-Dahaka: yep |
| 12:25.15 | Aji-Dahaka | huh ... that'll be a while :p |
| 12:25.19 | Aji-Dahaka | better limit it some more :) |
| 12:25.24 | solid_liq | can't |
| 12:25.40 | benJIman | perhaps you should try and remember the password |
| 12:25.44 | solid_liq | I was tired when I created it, I can't remember what I was thinking when I created it |
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| 12:25.57 | benJIman | it's probably in your memory somewhere |
| 12:26.01 | koala_man | solid_liq: was there an 'a' in it? |
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| 12:26.10 | solid_liq | koala_man: heheh |
| 12:26.12 | Aji-Dahaka | solid_liq: that you should think up something that you should remember ... it's what people always think when they make passwords :) |
| 12:26.24 | solid_liq | koala_man: all I remember is I wanted it to be really complex :( |
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| 12:27.40 | solid_liq | I'm going to have a really hard time getting paid quite a bit of money if I can't get this password too... |
| 12:27.57 | decOding | carsten: how to disable the autotools? |
| 12:28.50 | carsten | not sure how to do in kdevelop. Ask in #kdevelop I guess. |
| 12:29.09 | Aji-Dahaka | huh, really complex ...so we can do an anti-dictionary brute-force |
| 12:29.37 | solid_liq | it's for a win2k3 server I setup, and the passwords for those can't be recovered like the win2k ones could without hosing the machine |
| 12:29.57 | solid_liq | Aji-Dahaka: yeah, removing the dictionary would help, but still... |
| 12:31.00 | solid_liq | there aren't that many words in the dictionary :( |
| 12:31.19 | Aji-Dahaka | indeed |
| 12:31.28 | Aji-Dahaka | we are still at 100 million years :p |
| 12:33.00 | solid_liq | it should be possible for root to be able to recover it... the money owed me basically equals my rent and utilities for the next few months |
| 12:33.10 | solid_liq | without it.... ? |
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| 12:38.52 | carsten | solid_liq: where are we, tell us again what you can exclude: Less then x more than y chars. No z chars and so on |
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| 12:40.19 | solid_liq | carsten: not much to exclude... less than 11, more than 14, all symbols are fair game, no words tho |
| 12:40.40 | carsten | s/less/more and vice versa :) |
| 12:41.03 | carsten | numbers? capital and lower case letters? |
| 12:41.15 | solid_liq | num chars: [11,14] |
| 12:41.23 | carsten | only inside the ascii-range? a-zA-Z0-9 and some symbols |
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| 12:42.00 | solid_liq | there may be capital as well as lowercase, 0-9 included, all ansi symbols could be included |
| 12:42.01 | peppo | from where can I get the Mplayer media widget for KDE? |
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| 12:42.17 | Aji-Dahaka | kmplayer, you mean |
| 12:42.18 | xbeanx | does anyone know if knode can download messages for offline reading? |
| 12:42.21 | solid_liq | and I tend to use at least 3 numbers, and three symbols |
| 12:42.27 | peppo | no, the QMPlayerWidget |
| 12:42.31 | Aji-Dahaka | oh |
| 12:42.36 | Aji-Dahaka | no idea, then, sorry |
| 12:42.37 | xbeanx | I can't find the option.. |
| 12:42.46 | Skrot | There's a QMplayerWidget? |
| 12:43.53 | solid_liq | so I guess three characters could be one of 32 symbols, and three characters one of ten numbers, but the rest could be anything |
| 12:44.05 | peppo | "As a side note, maybe you can set the Media engine to QMPlayerWidget instead if KXineWidget." |
| 12:44.14 | peppo | from the author of QDVDAuthor |
| 12:44.39 | asdf_ | morning |
| 12:46.01 | solid_liq | all keyboard symbols, that is: `~!@#$%^&*()_+=-[]\{}|;':",./?>< |
| 12:47.15 | carsten | do you know things like "first char is a number" or "second is never a "?"" and things like that? |
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| 12:48.16 | solid_liq | carsten: I think I always have a character as the char, but beyond that... well, that's about it |
| 12:48.20 | Gistybit | solid_liq: what about ¨^´ |
| 12:48.24 | solid_liq | er, as the first char |
| 12:48.28 | Gistybit | ah you had ^ |
| 12:48.55 | Gistybit | ½§ seems to be missing as well |
| 12:49.09 | solid_liq | Gistybit: yeah, don't have those on US keyboards... |
| 12:49.26 | Gistybit | yeah it just for the sake of completion .. :) |
| 12:49.40 | Gistybit | £ |
| 12:54.03 | carsten | solid_liq: better start now :) |
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| 12:54.42 | solid_liq | there's no way I'd have enough processing power to brute force that... to many permutations :( |
| 12:54.49 | solid_liq | s/to/too/ |
| 12:55.20 | solid_liq | s/to m/too m/ |
| 12:55.27 | solid_liq | better :) |
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| 12:56.54 | carsten | solid_liq: you know that the first can be it :) |
| 12:57.01 | carsten | perhaps it only takes 10 seconds |
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| 12:57.37 | solid_liq | carsten: but my luck says it'd take 49.7125 years... |
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| 12:58.00 | carsten | yes, that is more likely indeed |
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| 12:58.14 | carsten | hijacking seti@home is also possible ;-) |
| 12:58.20 | solid_liq | hahahahah |
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| 12:58.49 | fanti | hey! i'm using debian/unstable. kmail crashes a few minutes after program launch. the debug message: http://fanti.staff.spin.de/kmail.crash.txt |
| 12:59.24 | oGALAXYo | fanti: your backtrace is totally unusable. |
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| 12:59.35 | oGALAXYo | fanti: what kde version ? |
| 12:59.47 | fanti | oGALAXYo: 3.5.0 |
| 13:00.05 | carsten | fanti: look at the changelog, perhaps the bugs has been fixed |
| 13:00.23 | oGALAXYo | its not necessarily a KDE bug |
| 13:00.38 | oGALAXYo | it can also be a "compiler generating broken code" bug |
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| 13:01.14 | fanti | kmail works fine for about 2 minutes. after that time, it crashes. |
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| 13:17.30 | Taz | Is there somebody here who can explain why I'm experiencing these network slowdowns about very 5 minutes or something |
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| 13:26.30 | asdf_ | Taz: if you could be more specific, then perhaps. |
| 13:28.55 | FuzzyTheBear | i got a theory : you got cable and at that time there's a hundred zillion " who has " on the network :) |
| 13:29.38 | FuzzyTheBear | id get ethereal up and running and check the packets when you experience slowdowns on your connection |
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| 13:30.08 | FuzzyTheBear | since it's at a regular interval .. im putting a burger on that one ;) |
| 13:31.32 | Taz | Hmm, might be worth a try yes |
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| 13:36.58 | Taz | Hmm, lots of TCP previous segment lost messages and TCP Duplicate ACK's |
| 13:37.46 | FuzzyTheBear | did that just begin ? this is something new ? |
| 13:39.19 | Taz | I've been having problems pretty much since I started using Linux on my PC, but it has been worse and it has been better |
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| 13:46.52 | int | hello all! can i configure konquerer to show ftp sites like ff? i don't want to looks like folders, i want it to be like web pages. Is this possible? |
| 13:49.45 | int | so, is it not possible? |
| 13:50.28 | FuzzyTheBear | you want a list view kind of ? |
| 13:50.41 | dipnlik | int: just change the view in konq |
| 13:52.30 | int | i just looked in view menu but doesn't found it |
| 13:52.55 | int | i need right-click on file/dir and "copy link" |
| 13:53.36 | FuzzyTheBear | int besides the + and - zoom buttons .. to the right of it .. press the second button for laughs :) |
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| 13:54.24 | int | FuzzyTheBear: yeah, it change view mode, but i need copy url for file |
| 13:54.30 | dipnlik | int: don't understand you. if you want a "detailed view" like firefox, go to view, viewmode, detailed list view and you're done |
| 13:54.59 | int | in ff i can right-click on file and "copy link" |
| 13:55.22 | int | i want open ftp site and then copy url for some folder on that ftp |
| 13:55.36 | dipnlik | int: for copying the url, you can right click the file and properties |
| 13:56.21 | int | dipnlik: no, i can't copy link from there |
| 13:56.41 | dipnlik | int: you have the path and the filename there |
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| 13:57.10 | sorush20 | what is a good bug traking tool in kde? |
| 13:58.04 | sorush20 | kbugbuster? |
| 13:58.58 | int | dipnlik: but i can't even select path. and i want to copy url in one action. i mean i don't like way: "copy ftp.foo.com, pase it, copy /foo/bla/, paste it, copy file.txt, pase it" |
| 13:58.59 | dipnlik | int: drag the file or folder to the location bar |
| 14:00.05 | int | thanks, this not perfect, but works, thanks!! |
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| 14:49.28 | Bushito | my KDE doesnt to recognic my chars and so it puts squares instead of letters and i cannot log in... any help? |
| 14:49.50 | DeadS0ul | different language? |
| 14:49.59 | PhilRod | make sure your LANG variable is set correctly |
| 14:50.05 | decOding | kdevelop is so dead |
| 14:50.09 | decOding | I mean |
| 14:50.11 | decOding | #kdevelop |
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| 14:50.16 | Bushito | my locales are set to spanish... abd my base langueage is spanish 2 |
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| 14:50.17 | Blues-Man | hi all |
| 14:50.24 | decOding | hi Blues-Man |
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| 14:50.29 | Blues-Man | which icons is using kde 3.5 by default? |
| 14:50.42 | Blues-Man | I m on kde 3.4.2 and there are crystal |
| 14:50.45 | decOding | Blues-Man: crystal svg |
| 14:50.51 | Bushito | PhilRod and how can u make sure that my lang varables are correct? |
| 14:51.17 | decOding | Bushito: what are the values of LC_ALL and LC_LANG ? |
| 14:51.21 | Blues-Man | k |
| 14:51.43 | Bushito | they are ES FT-8 something like that do not remeber well |
| 14:51.54 | Bushito | let me check |
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| 14:52.55 | Bushito | they are UTF-8 |
| 14:53.21 | Bushito | at least the dpkg-reconfigure locales is like that |
| 14:53.36 | decOding | Bushito: UTF-8 are great |
| 14:53.41 | decOding | I use them too |
| 14:53.52 | decOding | then all depens on the locale set if u want to use other language |
| 14:53.58 | decOding | the coding is good |
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| 14:54.10 | decOding | type locale for more info |
| 14:54.18 | DeadS0ul | so..so you think you can tell |
| 14:54.22 | DeadS0ul | heaven from hell |
| 14:54.35 | DeadS0ul | blue skies from pain |
| 14:54.53 | DeadS0ul | can you tell a green field |
| 14:54.58 | Bushito | so is there another thing to try? i would really enjoy being on KDE =) |
| 14:54.58 | DeadS0ul | from a cold steel rail |
| 14:55.06 | DeadS0ul | a smile from a rail |
| 14:55.07 | dipnlik | DeadS0ul: ok, ok, enough :P |
| 14:55.14 | decOding | DeadS0ul: nice mood aah? |
| 14:55.18 | DeadS0ul | sorry..i got carried away |
| 14:55.20 | DeadS0ul | yeah =D |
| 14:55.47 | dipnlik | hey |
| 14:55.48 | Bushito | >_< wwuua guys dont torture me =P and help me |
| 14:56.05 | dipnlik | i can't see the chars between playing and the song title |
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| 14:56.13 | DeadS0ul | i can |
| 14:56.18 | dipnlik | and between the title and "by" |
| 14:56.21 | DeadS0ul | they're what're they called |
| 14:56.26 | DeadS0ul | music notes |
| 14:56.27 | dipnlik | I see question marks |
| 14:56.55 | DeadS0ul | you prefer amarok to juk? |
| 14:57.07 | decOding | Bushito: what would u like to do exactly? |
| 14:57.57 | Bushito | decOding log in my kde =/ |
| 14:58.03 | decOding | ahh |
| 14:58.08 | decOding | what is wrong then? |
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| 14:58.23 | Bushito | when i try to write my username or password |
| 14:58.24 | decOding | because of the language u cant log in? |
| 14:58.28 | Bushito | they are showen as squares |
| 14:58.38 | Bushito | -.- dont know |
| 14:58.48 | dipnlik | simple question. middle click the home button, home opens in a new tab. works with back and up too. but why it doesn't work with the Go button? |
| 14:58.50 | Bushito | i dont know what lang could be a square |
| 14:58.53 | decOding | press CTRL+ATL+F6, login as ur user and try to remove .kde |
| 14:58.54 | decOding | :-D |
| 14:59.03 | decOding | mv .kde .kde-backup |
| 14:59.47 | Bushito | ... |
| 14:59.51 | Bushito | i am on a console |
| 15:00.00 | Bushito | =P how do you think i am writing to you |
| 15:00.01 | Bushito | xP |
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| 15:00.06 | Bushito | and will it fix my prob? |
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| 15:01.01 | DeadS0ul | meh...juk needs improving |
| 15:01.07 | decOding | Bushito: dont remove it, just try to rename it |
| 15:01.13 | decOding | DeadS0ul: amarok.kde.org |
| 15:01.51 | DeadS0ul | bite me, I have that but I don't like the UI |
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| 15:02.30 | decOding | well u have choise |
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| 15:02.53 | DeadS0ul | yeah.. |
| 15:03.04 | decOding | juk, amarok, noatun, kboodle, kaffeine, xmms, bmp ... or modify the code to adjust to ur needs :) |
| 15:03.05 | DeadS0ul | I think it's time I started givng back to kde by programming a bit in juk |
| 15:03.20 | decOding | good idea |
| 15:03.22 | DeadS0ul | .if I cna program well that is lol |
| 15:03.43 | dipnlik | decOding: you forgot the best one: mp3blaster! :) |
| 15:03.55 | decOding | dipnlik: never heard |
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| 15:04.26 | dipnlik | decOding: try it sometime, very cool :) |
| 15:04.35 | Aji-Dahaka | and musicpd + kmpd is really pretty nice ... |
| 15:05.07 | decOding | wow |
| 15:05.13 | decOding | there is loads of free software out there eeh? |
| 15:05.14 | decOding | :)) |
| 15:05.20 | Aji-Dahaka | indeed |
| 15:05.23 | decOding | I think I should move to Linux |
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| 15:05.42 | dec0ding | I am kidding, I use slackware already :)) |
| 15:05.54 | Bushito | decOding me dice que no se puede efectuar 'stat' no heciste un fichero raro.kde o el directorio |
| 15:05.59 | Aji-Dahaka | I'm currently using kmpd (locally) -> musicpd + icecast (on a remote server) -> amarok (or whatever) for music |
| 15:06.10 | dec0ding | Bushito: que? |
| 15:06.37 | Bushito | decOding: pues entiendes español? |
| 15:06.51 | dec0ding | no the comprendo |
| 15:06.52 | dec0ding | :)) |
| 15:06.55 | dec0ding | no te |
| 15:06.56 | dec0ding | * |
| 15:07.35 | Bushito | umm sorry.. it says it cannot operate 'stat' cuase the (a wierd letter).kde does not exist |
| 15:07.46 | Bushito | is that normal?? |
| 15:07.48 | Bushito | (o_o) |
| 15:07.52 | dec0ding | when do u see that message? |
| 15:07.58 | dec0ding | when u 'mv' the .kde dir ? |
| 15:08.06 | Bushito | yes |
| 15:08.10 | Bushito | it is a mv: error |
| 15:08.12 | dec0ding | u have spanish keyboard? |
| 15:08.15 | Bushito | yeah |
| 15:08.20 | dec0ding | like when u type "." u see what? |
| 15:08.29 | dec0ding | can u copy paste? |
| 15:08.34 | dec0ding | from here? |
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| 15:08.46 | Bushito | eeehh i dont know how to use the console |
| 15:08.48 | Bushito | =/ |
| 15:08.52 | Bushito | sorry |
| 15:08.57 | dec0ding | u have mouse support in console? |
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| 15:09.08 | Bushito | yeah |
| 15:09.18 | DeadS0ul | meh |
| 15:09.32 | Bushito | what? i cannot right click here =) |
| 15:09.38 | Bushito | and no menu appears |
| 15:09.51 | Bushito | and ctrl + finish operations |
| 15:09.55 | Bushito | ctrl + c |
| 15:10.27 | dec0ding | ctrl+delete = copy I thinl |
| 15:10.30 | dec0ding | think* |
| 15:10.34 | dec0ding | and ctrl+insert=paste |
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| 15:10.54 | Bushito | nope |
| 15:11.22 | dec0ding | ahh...then it is X related |
| 15:11.28 | dec0ding | not KDE |
| 15:11.38 | Bushito | well i put a big X |
| 15:11.41 | Bushito | and it starts KDE |
| 15:11.42 | dec0ding | since the keyboard is spanish and the commands aren't being recognized |
| 15:11.43 | Bushito | =P |
| 15:11.51 | dec0ding | write startx |
| 15:12.00 | dec0ding | without promting for user/pass |
| 15:12.18 | Bushito | server is already running |
| 15:12.30 | dec0ding | what system u use? |
| 15:12.33 | dec0ding | kill the kdm |
| 15:12.37 | dec0ding | ps -ef|grep kdm |
| 15:12.45 | dec0ding | root 3204 1 0 Jan14 ? 00:00:00 /opt/kde/bin/kdm -nodaemon |
| 15:12.49 | dec0ding | kill 3204 |
| 15:12.53 | dec0ding | do something like that |
| 15:12.57 | dec0ding | and then startx |
| 15:12.59 | Bushito | (o_O)... |
| 15:13.03 | Bushito | do all you did? |
| 15:13.04 | dec0ding | type |
| 15:13.08 | Bushito | or something like that? |
| 15:13.16 | dec0ding | step by step |
| 15:13.20 | dec0ding | type first this |
| 15:13.28 | dec0ding | ps -ef | grep kdm |
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| 15:13.53 | dec0ding | the number after 'root' is the process ID, u then type 'kill <THAT_NUMBER> |
| 15:15.25 | Bushito | what... do i have to put 1 0 jan 14 ? |
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| 15:15.55 | dec0ding | ?? |
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| 15:16.07 | dec0ding | when u type "ps -ef | grep kdm" what u get? |
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| 15:17.00 | Bushito | it says error garbage |
| 15:17.11 | dec0ding | (?)(?) |
| 15:17.17 | dec0ding | error .. |
| 15:17.19 | dec0ding | what error? |
| 15:18.27 | Bushito | (o_o) |
| 15:18.27 | Bushito | wwuuaa |
| 15:18.33 | HenryTheVIII | hi! I added the devices applet to the kicker, but it has an unwanted background, which wasn't in the previous versions of KDE. I can I remove it? |
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| 15:19.30 | dec0ding | HenryTheVIII: this is my guess but try ~/.kde/share/apps/<appname> |
| 15:19.37 | dec0ding | search if there is something |
| 15:19.48 | dec0ding | or maybe ~/.kde/share/config/<applet>rc |
| 15:21.02 | DeadS0ul | what's doxygen for? |
| 15:21.18 | dec0ding | generating Documentation from code |
| 15:21.23 | dec0ding | very good tool |
| 15:21.31 | DeadS0ul | oh |
| 15:21.37 | DeadS0ul | so I just comment my code properly |
| 15:21.43 | DeadS0ul | and use doxygen and....and.. |
| 15:22.22 | dec0ding | yes |
| 15:22.24 | solid_liq | boo-yah, documentation |
| 15:22.26 | dec0ding | it will generate |
| 15:22.48 | solid_liq | yes, documentation it will generate. Use the force! |
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| 15:23.09 | dec0ding | yes boo-jay, dcoumentation it will generate |
| 15:23.10 | dec0ding | :)) |
| 15:23.19 | dec0ding | boo-yah* |
| 15:23.23 | solid_liq | heheheh |
| 15:23.25 | HenryTheVIII | dec0ding, I found its rc file, but it doesn't have information about its GUI... |
| 15:23.30 | DeadS0ul | =O |
| 15:23.33 | DeadS0ul | this i gotta see |
| 15:23.41 | dec0ding | HenryTheVIII: I have no much info on where apple's directories go |
| 15:23.47 | dec0ding | HenryTheVIII: what is the name of the applet again? |
| 15:24.08 | dec0ding | who is developping here? |
| 15:24.12 | dec0ding | I need experienced KDevelop user |
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| 15:25.24 | DeadS0ul | shit I need to learn C++ =O |
| 15:25.54 | solid_liq | DeadS0ul: it'll only take about three years if ya cram :) |
| 15:26.06 | DeadS0ul | yeah but I have work and stuff =( |
| 15:26.06 | HenryTheVIII | dec0ding, its name: media |
| 15:26.25 | DeadS0ul | hmm I'll try bit by bit< i got a book on it here somewhere |
| 15:26.30 | dec0ding | solid_liq: 3 years? |
| 15:26.39 | solid_liq | I thought its name was steve... |
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| 15:26.54 | solid_liq | dec0ding: maybe, if you're fast. To learn it. |
| 15:27.36 | dec0ding | solid_liq: for 3 years u can get experteese in C++ |
| 15:27.39 | dec0ding | *become |
| 15:27.47 | dec0ding | HenryTheVIII: what kde versiom? |
| 15:27.50 | dec0ding | version( |
| 15:27.51 | DeadS0ul | 3 years... |
| 15:27.51 | dec0ding | damn |
| 15:27.52 | DeadS0ul | jeez |
| 15:28.08 | solid_liq | dec0ding: that's not expert level, that's just well versed in the overall standard |
| 15:28.23 | HenryTheVIII | dec0ding, lastest, 3.5.0 |
| 15:28.26 | solid_liq | all those little intricacies, however, take time |
| 15:29.00 | dec0ding | HenryTheVIII: Storage Media ? |
| 15:29.23 | HenryTheVIII | dec0ding, right |
| 15:29.59 | DeadS0ul | how bout designing really huge ass class hireachies =D |
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| 15:30.40 | DeadS0ul | OH YEAH! =D |
| 15:30.40 | solid_liq | DeadS0ul: that's an example of something that takes time to learn not to do |
| 15:30.49 | DeadS0ul | yeah, true |
| 15:30.53 | dec0ding | HenryTheVIII: sorry cant help |
| 15:31.01 | dec0ding | HenryTheVIII: here I have no background at all |
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| 15:31.53 | HenryTheVIII | dec0ding, it's a half transparent background... |
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| 15:34.40 | DeadS0ul | Problems running dot. Check your installation! |
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| 15:34.48 | DeadS0ul | whats...that? |
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| 15:35.31 | oGALAXYo | DeadS0ul: where did you see that error ? |
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| 15:36.03 | DeadS0ul | when I ran doxygen taglib.doxygen |
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| 15:38.31 | DeadS0ul | ah bed time |
| 15:38.36 | DeadS0ul | I'll cya guys later |
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| 15:39.39 | sam^ | hi |
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| 15:50.57 | Devil_Kin | hello ppl |
| 15:51.32 | Devil_Kin | is there any way you can redirect each sent message in kmail to another mailbox too, automatically? I tried with a filter on sent mail, but it produces a mail loop |
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| 15:53.53 | Jelly_graph | hi, running KDE 3.4... does anyone know what the mixername for headphones is for the DCOP interface to KMix? (whatever is the alternative is to setMasterVolume) |
| 15:54.13 | dipnlik | Devil_Kin: configure kmail, modify you identity, add a bcc address, is that what you want? |
| 15:54.33 | Devil_Kin | oh? it's that easy? |
| 15:54.40 | Devil_Kin | dipnlik: brb gonna check (other laptop) |
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| 15:55.58 | sredna | Devil_Kin: Use the add header feature of kmail filtering, and test for the header before redirecting |
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| 15:59.37 | Devil_Kin | dipnlik: it comes close, but it'd be nice to just 'have it happen' with no failure possibilities |
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| 16:01.35 | ProtectYaNeck | anyone have any 4.0 screenshots? |
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| 16:03.14 | annma | kde 4 is currently like kde 3.5 |
| 16:03.17 | PhilRod | ~kde-buzz |
| 16:03.20 | PhilRod | ~kde4-buzz |
| 16:03.22 | apt | KDE 4 is currently for developers only. See: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html |
| 16:03.27 | Jelly_graph | hey... :) was wondering if anyone had ideas about my DCOP question? |
| 16:03.37 | PhilRod | ProtectYaNeck: there's some screenshots there, but nothing to see |
| 16:03.44 | ProtectYaNeck | gottcha |
| 16:03.51 | ProtectYaNeck | thanks |
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| 16:04.07 | annma | will be awhile until thee's anything new in kde4 |
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| 16:06.47 | anisX | annma: i have question for you , but i think that will be stupid question..may i ? |
| 16:07.00 | annma | hi! |
| 16:07.02 | annma | ask! |
| 16:07.12 | StarScream | annma: do you know how much qt4 breaks an existing build of KDE , say 3.5... i.e is it possible / worth it to get kde 3.5 to compile with qt 4.1 to get some of the immediate memory / speed increases from qt |
| 16:07.22 | StarScream | or is it just completely different in API terms |
| 16:07.27 | annma | StarScream: NO |
| 16:07.31 | anisX | annma: im using fc4 , does i can do yum update kde ? |
| 16:07.36 | StarScream | no need to shout |
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| 16:08.07 | annma | StarScream: just so that you know it's not possible to compile kde3 with qt4 |
| 16:08.18 | annma | anisX: I have no idea about fedora |
| 16:08.19 | StarScream | k, thanks |
| 16:08.38 | annma | kde4 only uses qt4 |
| 16:09.02 | annma | always match qt and kde's major version numbers |
| 16:09.06 | anisX | annma: thanks! |
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| 16:09.18 | annma | PhilRod: this should be added in your bot |
| 16:10.18 | PhilRod | ~qt4 |
| 16:10.35 | PhilRod | ok, that's unused, so let's add something :-) |
| 16:10.43 | annma | :) thanks a lot |
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| 16:11.14 | PhilRod | apt: qt4-kde3 is <reply>You can't use KDE 3.x with Qt 4 (or vice versa) - KDE and Qt major version numbers must always match. |
| 16:11.16 | apt | PhilRod: okay |
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| 16:11.44 | charolastra | hi everyone |
| 16:12.45 | charolastra | my problem with the samba ioslave is still not solved: (i have all the packages installed; server is unning on same computer and access with smbclient works) |
| 16:13.32 | charolastra | but if i enter "smb://" in konqueror it tells me: "malformed URL" |
| 16:13.55 | rob0 | I'm making progress on networked sound. The kdm client (displaying KDE) is running esd, and I can esdcat from the kdm server and hear joyous noise. |
| 16:14.22 | charolastra | any idea where i could look? |
| 16:14.26 | rob0 | The question remains, how to get KDE (running on the kdm server) to use the remote esd? |
| 16:15.08 | dipnlik | charolastra: smb:// is malformed url, smb:/ not |
| 16:15.16 | rob0 | seems like I crashed my kcontrol while trying to reset the sound hardware to esd :) |
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| 16:15.51 | charolastra | dipnlik: "the file or folder "smb:/" does not exist" |
| 16:16.18 | rob0 | shouldn't there be a server (netbios) name after that? |
| 16:16.26 | rob0 | smb:/localhost/ ? |
| 16:16.36 | charolastra | same |
| 16:16.42 | charolastra | even smb://192.168.1.5/ |
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| 16:16.48 | charolastra | (which is this machine) |
| 16:17.00 | dipnlik | charolastra: weird, smb:/ works here, shows the network just fine |
| 16:17.23 | dipnlik | charolastra: remote:/ ? |
| 16:17.39 | rob0 | yeah smb:/ works for me too |
| 16:17.52 | charolastra | dipnlik: shows 2 icons |
| 16:18.18 | dipnlik | charolastra: and they are...? |
| 16:18.39 | charolastra | "samba" and "add a network ..." |
| 16:19.50 | charolastra | are there logs of the ioslaves somewhere? |
| 16:20.06 | dipnlik | charolastra: here i added the network share with the Add a Network Folder wizard and it shows up both in remote:/ and navigating from the Samba Shares link |
| 16:20.27 | dipnlik | charolastra: maybe you can try that too, dunno |
| 16:20.46 | charolastra | hmm |
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| 16:21.43 | charolastra | no, doesn#t work |
| 16:21.57 | thiago | charolastra: there are, if you compiled with debugging enabled |
| 16:22.13 | Jelly_graph | charolastra (samba problem): you have to recompile your kioslaves, after making sure you have everything properly set up (libsmbclient) |
| 16:22.25 | Jelly_graph | kdebase-kioslaves |
| 16:22.55 | charolastra | there are no configurations which could cause that behaviour? |
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| 16:24.30 | charolastra | because i didn't compile this kDE (got it from debian) and this behaviour exists in AFAIK no relation to my updating |
| 16:24.57 | charolastra | i.e. it happened sometimes and even a updated didn't change anything |
| 16:25.47 | Jelly_graph | i assume because it uses a plug arch, maybe it didnt update it properly |
| 16:26.44 | charolastra | hmmmm :( |
| 16:26.46 | cbr | does konq support inotify? |
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| 16:29.24 | Smak | I just started to get this odd behavior of when I open a application it opens in the background instead of taking focus like normal. |
| 16:29.54 | charolastra | just restart KDe :) |
| 16:30.28 | Smak | shouldn't have to. |
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| 16:35.36 | GDG | hi |
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| 16:36.33 | GDG | I'm searching for a nice panel for KDE, I mean something like mac panel, with changing icons on mouse over... |
| 16:36.46 | GDG | where can I find it? |
| 16:36.58 | charolastra | GDG: kde-look.org |
| 16:37.15 | charolastra | there are a few macOX panels there |
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| 16:38.48 | CVirus | GDG: kde-look has tons of such panels |
| 16:39.04 | GDG | where ? |
| 16:39.18 | CVirus | GDG: kde-look.org :-) |
| 16:39.31 | GDG | ok but where in kde-look.org? |
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| 16:39.40 | GDG | Themes? Icons? |
| 16:40.10 | CVirus | checking |
| 16:40.52 | CVirus | GDG: http://www.kde-apps.org/ |
| 16:40.54 | CVirus | sorry |
| 16:41.25 | rob0 | I think my KDE session is fubar. :( So I'll have to restart. But wondering, maybe "ESPEAKER=laptop:16001 X -query kdmserver" is how to use the laptop's esd on port 16001? |
| 16:42.03 | CVirus | GDG: damn .. I guess it wasnt kde-apps too .. I wonder where the hell I got those panels from |
| 16:42.16 | rob0 | If I can get this working I'm going to change to the whole family using thin clients :) |
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| 17:04.04 | bUscher-g2 | in konqueror when I have open 2 "filebrowser profile" tabs open and switch fast between them, the toolbar flickers, why that? - kde 3.5 |
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| 17:04.45 | aseigo | it's redoing the layout since each tab can have a different display part (which merges with the menus/toolbar) |
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| 17:05.04 | aseigo | it ought to be checking to see if the part is the same or not to prevent flicker, but it doesn't |
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| 17:05.52 | bUscher-g2 | and now? deal with it or report it? (if it isnt) |
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| 17:08.53 | bUscher-g2 | even the right panel icons *I dont know the name* flickers when minimize and maximize a window :| |
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| 17:11.30 | Julianyus | hi |
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| 17:16.53 | araizen | kicker crashed and now an SWT application that was docked in the systray has its own little floating window. is there some way I can get it to dock again without restarting it? |
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| 17:19.41 | nael | C'est quoi XIM ? |
| 17:19.47 | nael | Woops |
| 17:20.43 | eduedix | is there a program in kde with that i will be able to code python ? |
| 17:21.15 | araizen | eduedix: kwrite? kdevelop? |
| 17:21.21 | eduedix | hmm |
| 17:21.32 | eduedix | trying kwrite |
| 17:22.22 | benJIman | or kate for something in-between |
| 17:22.48 | rob0 | or IDLE for coding python in python |
| 17:22.54 | eduedix | araizen: i meant something like idle... |
| 17:24.00 | StevenR | eduedix: check kde-apps.org...there are some other development environments on there that may suite you |
| 17:24.09 | eduedix | hmm |
| 17:24.11 | eduedix | thanks |
| 17:24.38 | rdale | eric3 is a good python IDE |
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| 17:25.31 | eduedix | hmm |
| 17:25.41 | eduedix | actually. kwrite is ok :P |
| 17:25.47 | covux | hi. i use the logitech feature in control center to change mouse resolution but after rebooting its back to default. thanks for any help |
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| 17:42.01 | hawking | can i add shortcuts to kde? |
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| 17:44.23 | aseigo | hawking: you mean like global keyboard shortcuts? if so, take a look at khotkeys in the control center |
| 17:45.54 | Commanace | hi all. I've a little problem with the "network folder" special button i recently added in my kicker bar. I added a network folder, but when i want to open it, it's always opened tiwce... someone an idea how to solve that? |
| 17:45.54 | hawking | aseigo : yeah thx |
| 17:45.54 | Commanace | KDE version 3.5.0 |
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| 17:47.19 | liquidat | Commanace: Which distribution? |
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| 17:47.56 | Commanace | liquidat: kanotix (http://kanotix.com/) |
| 17:48.40 | Commanace | liquidat: based on debian SID |
| 17:48.55 | liquidat | Commanace: Well, it doesn't happen here (Fedora Core), so chances are that it's not a general bug. |
| 17:49.19 | liquidat | Dhraakellian: i bet corrupted double link which is mostly not konquerors fault. |
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| 17:49.38 | liquidat | Commanace: Does this happen, when you click on other directory shortcuts? |
| 17:49.41 | Sho_ | Dhraakellian: Well, in all honesty keep in mind you're most likely comparing 3.5.0 to experiences with 3.4.2 or 3.4.3 ... that's a lot of bugfixes over the initial major release. |
| 17:49.49 | Commanace | liquidat: no. |
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| 17:49.55 | Dhraakellian | a lot of crashes seem to happen when I open stuff in tabs |
| 17:50.00 | Dhraakellian | Sho_: point |
| 17:50.15 | Sho_ | Dhraakellian: 3.5.1 will have a load of fixes, too .. |
| 17:50.36 | Dhraakellian | Sho_: so I'll hold off with my complaining until then |
| 17:50.37 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 17:51.06 | Sho_ | nah, the complaining is good (especially verbose complaining over at bugs.kde.org), otherwise the fixes don't get into the point releases ;) |
| 17:51.10 | Commanace | liquidat: but it also happens when i try to open the samba-window with the same special button |
| 17:51.27 | liquidat | Commanace: If you add a shortcut to a hard drive on your desktop, and open this by double click, does it happen then? |
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| 17:52.10 | Commanace | liquidat: no, opens only once how it should be |
| 17:52.45 | Commanace | with google i did not find anyone who seemed to have similar problems |
| 17:54.11 | liquidat | Commanace: Start kcontrol, and check the file allocations (don't know the right english translation, I use a localized one). |
| 17:54.33 | liquidat | Check in the media section if all file types are right configured, and that the commands which call konqueror are not wrong set. |
| 17:55.07 | Commanace | liquidat: k, i'll have a look at that, thanks |
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| 17:56.08 | liquidat | Commanace: Good luck. |
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| 18:03.18 | Commanace | liquidat: hm... didn't find anything interesting there. But something else: i can open "remote:/" in konqueror, where this networkfolder is listed, if i open the link in there, it opens only once... |
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| 18:08.18 | Commanace | hm... but i found some bug-reports for that: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114593 |
| 18:08.32 | Commanace | tells me, the problem was solved |
| 18:08.52 | Commanace | i'd like to know which update i have to install to fix that... |
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| 18:09.47 | Commanace | the bug is listed as "konqueror bug" so maybe i have to apt-get a new konqueror-version? |
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| 18:17.48 | liquidat | Commanace: If your update gives you nothing new, reopen the bug. |
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| 18:18.10 | liquidat | But point out your system and versions! |
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| 18:32.39 | anirban | Hi |
| 18:33.24 | anirban | I ran du on my system and found that ./.local/share/Trash |
| 18:33.29 | anirban | taking almost 4GB |
| 18:33.58 | anirban | and it contains almost all the files I deleted from 2 or more months |
| 18:34.12 | anirban | Why it is going there |
| 18:34.25 | anirban | although I cleared the Trash Bin |
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| 18:37.30 | sredna | anirban: If files stays after you clear the trash bin, there is a problem |
| 18:37.44 | sredna | anirban: Make sure that your trash icon points to trash:/ |
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| 19:11.15 | hareldvd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.29 | hareldvd | bugger |
| 19:12.16 | Jeaton | heh |
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| 19:16.11 | Jeaton | hareldvd - i hate when that happens :p |
| 19:18.31 | hareldvd | jeaton: thanks for your compassion. |
| 19:18.45 | Jeaton | i did the same thing a month ago |
| 19:19.04 | hareldvd | this brings me: which client do you use. I tried a different client and got confused. |
| 19:19.27 | Jeaton | well, im on a windows box right now |
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| 19:19.34 | Jeaton | so im using mIRC |
| 19:19.39 | nikmiSageM | staying connected to undenet is about as hard as enjoying using windows. |
| 19:19.54 | hareldvd | What's with KDE then on Windows box? |
| 19:20.18 | nikmiSageM | kde runs on windows now doesn't it? |
| 19:20.32 | Jeaton | does it? |
| 19:20.32 | hareldvd | over segwin? |
| 19:20.41 | hareldvd | or sygwin? |
| 19:20.46 | Jeaton | cygwin |
| 19:20.55 | nikmiSageM | i saw it in the cygwin stuff |
| 19:20.57 | nikmiSageM | but i didn't try it |
| 19:21.05 | nikmiSageM | but qt was ported to windows also |
| 19:21.24 | hareldvd | so you use kde using qt on MS box? |
| 19:21.30 | nikmiSageM | heck no |
| 19:21.39 | nikmiSageM | i wouldn't use windows unless i was forced to |
| 19:21.40 | Jeaton | no, I dont use KDE or anything on my windows box |
| 19:21.51 | Jeaton | im moreless just reading documenation, right now |
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| 19:22.58 | hareldvd | nikmiSageM: which irc client do you use? |
| 19:23.53 | nikmiSageM | konversation/xchat |
| 19:24.18 | hareldvd | Please help me with konversation. |
| 19:24.34 | nikmiSageM | i will do whati can |
| 19:24.37 | nikmiSageM | what is your problem |
| 19:25.07 | hareldvd | To begin with, I had my password slipped. not that is a big deal but still. |
| 19:25.32 | hareldvd | So I want to know how to enter the password into the configuration. |
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| 19:25.49 | nikmiSageM | i don't use a password on irc |
| 19:25.51 | nikmiSageM | what do you mean? |
| 19:25.55 | nikmiSageM | why doyou have a password on irc? |
| 19:26.04 | Jeaton | nickserv |
| 19:26.16 | Jeaton | he means identifying to nickserv |
| 19:26.20 | SimAtWork | oh |
| 19:26.21 | SimAtWork | hrm |
| 19:26.24 | SimAtWork | i don't use nickserv |
| 19:26.27 | SimAtWork | i guess i should |
| 19:26.38 | SimAtWork | in xchat i set a simple /command to login to x |
| 19:26.47 | SimAtWork | (on undernet) |
| 19:26.58 | SimAtWork | i wonder if i can do the same in konversation |
| 19:26.59 | SimAtWork | brb |
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| 19:27.07 | hareldvd | So how do you set it in konversation? |
| 19:28.01 | nikmiSageM | you can't it seems |
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| 19:28.12 | nikmiSageM | but on the server edit screen you can enter commands to execute on connect |
| 19:28.15 | nikmiSageM | so use that. |
| 19:28.15 | enr1x | good night from barcelona! |
| 19:28.43 | nikmiSageM | goodnight barcelona |
| 19:28.46 | nikmiSageM | i miss barcelona! |
| 19:28.47 | enr1x | i am quite disappointed with a problem i have just had |
| 19:28.57 | nikmiSageM | i had the bst palleta (spelled wrong) ever when i was there |
| 19:29.01 | nikmiSageM | so much seafood |
| 19:29.04 | nikmiSageM | i coulda drowned in it! |
| 19:29.11 | nikmiSageM | enr1x, what problem? |
| 19:29.21 | enr1x | let me remember... |
| 19:29.48 | enr1x | i couldn't play anything on kde, so i thought the problem was with the kde sound system... |
| 19:30.15 | enr1x | ... i couldn't do anything with KControl, and everything i did didn't solve that... |
| 19:30.47 | enr1x | ... so, i had to run alsaconf in every user's session to restart the alsa dirvers or the sound apps |
| 19:31.04 | enr1x | and now amaroK, came back to the bright side |
| 19:31.18 | enr1x | the problem is with the sound system, i guess |
| 19:31.20 | SimAtWork | man i love amarok a lot |
| 19:31.28 | SimAtWork | so it's still not working? |
| 19:31.29 | hareldvd | nikmiSageM: There is an edit button in the servers settings identity part. Shouldn't that help? |
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| 19:31.55 | SimAtWork | hareldvd: not in the identies, right below identities, it says "command" hit the ? and click on that box for detailed info |
| 19:32.14 | enr1x | it does work |
| 19:32.27 | enr1x | but after alsaconfing in each user's session |
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| 19:33.03 | hareldvd | nikmiSageM: yep got that, what with the identity then what is it for? |
| 19:33.43 | enr1x | i mean: start a kde session with user XXXX, starting a konsole, do a su, and then alsaconf |
| 19:33.52 | enr1x | after that, everything works properly |
| 19:34.04 | enr1x | but i think it's a poltergeist of my pc, like many others |
| 19:34.06 | enr1x | .. |
| 19:34.11 | enr1x | (^_^) |
| 19:34.28 | hareldvd | enrlx: are your users in "audio" group? |
| 19:34.52 | enr1x | yes |
| 19:34.54 | enr1x | they are |
| 19:35.07 | enr1x | and my music db is also in audio group |
| 19:35.14 | SimAtWork | hareldvd: incase you have multiple nicks i guess |
| 19:35.26 | enr1x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:35.40 | dob2 | hi |
| 19:35.47 | enr1x | hi dob2 |
| 19:36.23 | dob2 | knode substitutes the various ":)" etc with the image of the emoticons, i don't want this, there is a way to disable it? |
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| 19:40.25 | Padnah | My OS is Debian GNU-Linux. My CDE is KDE. I use Kmail, which I am configuring to my liking but I cannot find the configuration setting to turn off the quoting of original messages in "Reply". Any help for me? |
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| 19:42.08 | sredna | Padnah: There is a spearate action for unquoted reply - SHIFT + R. You could switch the shortcuts |
| 19:42.36 | sredna | An/or replace the button on your toolbar |
| 19:43.23 | Padnah | sredna, are you saying that the quoting of messages in reply is hard-wired into the function of Kmail? |
| 19:44.42 | oGALAXYo | My CDE is KDE. <-- lol |
| 19:44.51 | sredna | Padnah: I say kmails offers more than one way of replying |
| 19:45.20 | sredna | Padnah: Two of there are reply with/without quotes |
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| 19:46.51 | Padnah | sredna, I do not know that I can keep all of the hotkeys in my head, (I am old). Is there any way to change the default configuration within Kmail so that I do not have to write down the hotkey somewhere so that I might remember it? |
| 19:47.15 | sredna | Padnah: As I said, switch the hotkeys |
| 19:47.27 | sredna | Padnah: Use Settings->Configure shortcuts |
| 19:48.02 | sredna | Change the shortcut for reply (without quotes) to R, you will be asked if you want to unset the shortcut for the default reply action |
| 19:48.43 | Padnah | sredna, you have been communicating with a stupid person with slow understanding. Your last post was the 2 x 4 that I needed to penetrate my skull. |
| 19:49.03 | sredna | Padnah: Np ;) |
| 19:49.50 | SimAtWork | Padnah: you are correct. that is a missing feature. |
| 19:50.04 | sredna | Padnah: I used KDE since last century, so I know my way around quite well ;) |
| 19:50.15 | SimAtWork | Padnah: but most people (everyone i know) always includes the previous text in their reply. it helps put the conversation in context! |
| 19:51.39 | Padnah | In some cases, I use auto quote, but not normally. Most of my communication is with friends and relatives & no quotation is needed as in formal replies. |
| 19:51.54 | Padnah | I will go to the sortcuts and see what I can damage. |
| 19:52.05 | sredna | Padnah: You can always find all the actions in the message menu |
| 19:52.11 | Padnah | I am only 2 weeks into Linux and am having the time of my life |
| 19:52.27 | SimAtWork | Padnah: ! woah. congrats! |
| 19:52.29 | sredna | Wellcome :) |
| 19:52.29 | SimAtWork | 2 weeks! |
| 19:52.34 | SimAtWork | Padnah: what linux distro are yo uusing? |
| 19:52.41 | sredna | Uuuhhhh |
| 19:52.55 | Padnah | Debian GNU-Linux sarge 3.1 |
| 19:53.02 | SimAtWork | oooh |
| 19:53.06 | SimAtWork | you didn't even take the easy way! |
| 19:53.29 | Padnah | I have been able to tranfer all of my stuff from MS XP successfully |
| 19:54.04 | Padnah | I have set up my FTP client, email, browsers, etc. |
| 19:54.46 | Padnah | My machine is my hobby and Linux has given me a whole new world to explore. I am enjoying it quite a bit. |
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| 19:55.46 | SimAtWork | it is rather impressive isn't it. |
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| 20:08.21 | nuxil | hello people |
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| 20:09.39 | nuxil | i have a Q.. it there any themes for kmplayer,, or does it juts use the colors/theme i have in kde..? |
| 20:10.12 | annma | did you look on kde-look.org? |
| 20:10.43 | nuxil | nop.. i just installed kmplayer and i just finished looming in the settings |
| 20:10.49 | nuxil | *looking |
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| 20:13.05 | nuxil | annma is there any or im i just blind! |
| 20:13.47 | nuxil | i did try to search on that site,,, No entries. |
| 20:14.15 | annma | then no theme for kmplayer |
| 20:15.26 | nuxil | that suxz :\ i think i'll uninstall it |
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| 20:16.07 | Aggrav8d | hello, * |
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| 20:16.32 | nuxil | hi |
| 20:18.02 | Aggrav8d | i'm running an older mandrake 10.0 OE, I installed a kvm switch a few minutes ago (no problem) and then tried to up my resolution in kde. it asked me to reboot and i did, but now X (or KDE) doesn't start up. in /etc/x11/xf86config-4 section "monitor" modelname is set to "1280 x 1024 @ 60hz" which is what I asked for. |
| 20:18.33 | Aggrav8d | i'm pretty ignorant about linux in general, so i may need babying to get this thing running again. can anyone help me pleasE? |
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| 20:18.45 | nox-Hand | kde 3.5 is 3.5.? |
| 20:20.23 | Aggrav8d | when i look at /var/log/xfree86.0.log it says fatal server error, no screens found. |
| 20:23.00 | sredna | Aggrav8d: What is 'kvm switch'? |
| 20:23.00 | Aggrav8d | nvm, i found it. for some reason it decided to rename monitor0 to monitor1, so screen0 tried to use monitor0, couldn't find it, reported to screen, etc. |
| 20:23.01 | Aggrav8d | :P |
| 20:23.03 | Aggrav8d | thanks anyhow. |
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| 20:23.08 | sredna | Ah ;) |
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| 20:24.16 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a default script that will be executed when a user logs out of KDE? |
| 20:24.58 | sredna | jhutchins_wk: Anything in KDEDIR/shutdown/*.sh |
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| 20:25.38 | sredna | jhutchins_wk: Where KDEDIR is ~/.kde or $(kde-config --prefix) |
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| 20:25.49 | sredna | Or any dir in KDEDIRS |
| 20:26.46 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, KDEDIR on this gentoo box is /usr/kde/3.2, KDEDIRS is /usr. |
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| 20:26.55 | sredna | Uhm, the .sh prefix isn't even needed |
| 20:27.05 | jhutchins_wk | (that's a suffix). |
| 20:27.14 | sredna | Yea :o |
| 20:27.17 | jhutchins_wk | So anything in a "shutdown" directory will be executed? |
| 20:27.22 | sredna | Yes |
| 20:27.43 | jhutchins_wk | There/s a .kde/Autostart... |
| 20:27.46 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.57 | jhutchins_wk | I guess the thing to do is play with it and see if it works. |
| 20:28.37 | sredna | jhutchins_wk: The companion for startup is that scripts in KDEDIR/env/*.sh are sourced at startup |
| 20:28.46 | sredna | jhutchins_wk: In that case the sufix is required |
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| 20:29.34 | sredna | jhutchins_wk: If you want to change the KDE environment , the env/*.sh files are good, to just start somthing inside the kde session, autostart is better |
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| 20:30.29 | mac_ | I'm using KDE3.5; is there a way to configure dragged items to be semi-transparent, so that I can see what I'm dropping it onto? |
| 20:31.21 | jhutchins_wk | sredna, Ok, well I'm putting (a symlink to) the startup script in .kde/Autostart, and the shutdown in .kde/shutdown/. |
| 20:31.47 | sredna | jhutchins_wk: Whatever suits your purpose the best ;) |
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| 20:32.04 | jhutchins_wk | Hmmm. Mandriva has a "Start New X Session" icon, Gentoo doesn't. |
| 20:32.17 | jhutchins_wk | sredna, I think this should be user-specific. |
| 20:32.26 | sredna | jhutchins_wk: What? |
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| 20:33.13 | jhutchins_wk | It'll launch a second X session, so you can stay logged in and either log in as someone else or otherwise have another session. |
| 20:33.20 | frb-work | kscd looks like it's playing, but I get no sound, why? |
| 20:33.20 | sredna | I have a icon for new X session, it's provided by KDE |
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| 20:33.48 | jhutchins_wk | sredna, I should probably upgrade this gentoo release. |
| 20:33.51 | sredna | jhutchins_wk: I believe it will ask you to log in for the new session |
| 20:34.08 | jhutchins_wk | sredna, Could you get it's properties and tell me what the command it's using is? |
| 20:34.42 | sredna | frb-work: A) your CD device isn't connected to the soundcard. B) the volume for the CD device in the soundcard isn't selected or it's muted or at 0 |
| 20:34.46 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, nevermind, "New Login". |
| 20:34.54 | frb-work | sredna: I checked the volumes first |
| 20:35.11 | frb-work | sredna: ok, then how do I get amarok to recognize /dev/dvd and /dev/dvdrecorder as valid CD drives? |
| 20:35.38 | sredna | frb-work: I just had the same issue after upgrading my kernel a few days ago. It had disabled my CD device for some reason |
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| 20:35.59 | sredna | frb-work: Kscd has an option to play non-directly |
| 20:35.59 | frb-work | I just copied a CD frome one to the other, so I know the devices are valid and working |
| 20:36.41 | sredna | That is an experience that is still waiting :o |
| 20:37.57 | frb-work | kscd has the Audio Backend option hidden |
| 20:38.04 | frb-work | or disabled, whatever you call it |
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| 20:43.02 | sredna | frb-work: Well, if the device isn't directly connected to your soundcard, you should enable that |
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| 20:43.14 | frb-work | sredna: I can't, it's all grayed out |
| 20:43.41 | sredna | Oh |
| 20:43.42 | frb-work | personally, I'd rather use amarok for everything |
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| 20:45.29 | sredna | ... courtecy of KsCD |
| 20:46.05 | sredna | frb-work: But for help with amaroK, you should really try #amarok |
| 20:46.30 | sredna | #amarok 148 |
| 20:49.28 | Dhraakellian | frb-work: you can use audiocd:/ from the filebrowser in amaroK, but playing audiocds isn't really what amaroK is designed for |
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| 20:50.00 | frb-work | I just want all my audio in amarok, and all my video in kaffiene |
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| 20:55.55 | mac_ | is it possible for KDE to somehow hilight the "target" (e.g., desktop folder or app icon) of a drag'n'drop operation? Currently I don't know where the hotspot of the dragged item is, and am never sure whether it will land on the target I want... |
| 20:57.14 | ThePeritus | mac_: there is a little dotted grey line around the text of the item the contents are dropping |
| 20:57.27 | sredna | mac_: It does |
| 20:57.42 | sredna | mac_: There is a focus rectangle |
| 20:58.29 | mac_ | ThePeritus, yes, I see the dotted line around dragged icon and its label area, but not around the Desktop target |
| 20:59.24 | mac_ | sredna, hmm, you mean the stuff on the Desktop is higlighted somehow as I drag the icon around? For me nothing ever changes on the desktop as I drag stuff... just the icon and dotted label area stuck to the mouse pointer |
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| 20:59.33 | mac_ | is there some configuration setting that could affect this? |
| 20:59.39 | mac_ | I'm using 3.5 |
| 20:59.44 | mac_ | (Kubuntu) |
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| 21:01.51 | sredna | mac_: If you drag something onto an icon, that icon gets a focus rectangle as well |
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| 21:02.07 | sredna | (a 'dotted line') |
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| 21:02.43 | sredna | Hm, I think kscd skips every second song :o |
| 21:02.50 | mac_ | sredna, hmm, well, for me target does not get focus rectangle... are there any settings in kcontrol that affect this? (I thought I remember a "drag'n'drop" option in earlier KDEs) |
| 21:03.05 | sredna | mac_: Not that I'm aware of |
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| 21:05.07 | sredna | mac_: I can't see anything that would do that |
| 21:07.43 | mac_ | sredna, ah well , thx for checking |
| 21:07.53 | sredna | ;) |
| 21:07.55 | mac_ | at least now I have new term to Google with: "focus rectangle" |
| 21:08.46 | mac_ | some initial hits seem to suggest it might be affected by Theme engine/look... using Lipstik... seems it has its own focus rectangle look, disabled by default? |
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| 21:34.28 | agliodbs | hey, I have a crashed KDE process .... "HTTP Cache Clearing" and I can't figure out how to locate the process it's attached to |
| 21:34.57 | agliodbs | that is, I'm getting the "busy" icon on the desktop |
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| 21:35.09 | agliodbs | but I can't seem to locate an assocated process |
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| 21:35.59 | agliodbs | and KDE isn't timing it out ... |
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| 21:39.05 | EvilGuru | in kspead is it possible to use the arrow keys to go between cells? |
| 21:39.18 | EvilGuru | that I have been typing in, like in open office and exel |
| 21:40.29 | sredna | agliodbs: Killall kio_http_cache_cleaner |
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| 21:44.45 | agliodbs | sredna: thanks |
| 21:44.50 | agliodbs | done |
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| 21:45.21 | agliodbs | odd that I couldn't find that process with ps aux | grep cache ... |
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| 21:46.48 | sredna | agliodbs: Yep, that is a bit odd |
| 21:46.59 | bushwakko | I have a weird problem, the date on the tooltip my clock is correct, but the date on the calendar when I click it is tuesday the 16th not 17th! |
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| 21:47.31 | bushwakko | kde 3.5, gentoo |
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| 21:53.10 | sredna | bushwakko: Is the year in the popup calendar correct? |
| 21:53.22 | bushwakko | yes |
| 21:53.39 | bushwakko | tue 16, jajnuary 2006 :/ |
| 21:53.53 | bushwakko | tooltip is correct |
| 21:54.11 | bushwakko | all dates are -1 :/ |
| 21:54.21 | bushwakko | I've had this a while |
| 21:54.23 | bushwakko | wait |
| 21:54.28 | bushwakko | I think I ahve an old picture |
| 21:54.59 | bushwakko | http://huldreveien.generation.no/~wakko/day-bug.jpg |
| 21:55.00 | bushwakko | yes |
| 21:56.38 | sredna | Works fine here, but then I didn't trust portage with KDE |
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| 21:57.31 | bushwakko | don't think portage would skew the date one to the left :/ |
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| 22:03.02 | sredna | No :) |
| 22:03.10 | sredna | A system bug? |
| 22:04.15 | sredna | aseigo: Kscd is skipping tracks :\ |
| 22:04.27 | sredna | Speaking about bugs... |
| 22:07.51 | sredna | Man, the linker is a slow POS |
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| 22:13.08 | jhutchins_wk | Great. Putting a script file in .kde/Autostart opens it in kwrite. |
| 22:13.33 | jhutchins_wk | Does it need a magic number or a specific extension? |
| 22:13.36 | canllaith | jhutchins_wk: heh is it executable ? |
| 22:13.36 | sredna | jhutchins_wk: Be sure to set the executable bit on it |
| 22:13.45 | canllaith | a .sh extension will help too |
| 22:13.47 | sredna | Like shmod -x <script> |
| 22:13.51 | sredna | +cx even |
| 22:13.54 | sredna | +x |
| 22:13.56 | sredna | GRRRRRRRRRRr |
| 22:14.22 | sredna | The linker sucks being so ¤%///¤%/( slow and I can't type |
| 22:14.39 | fredrikh | putting a #!/bin/bash line at the top of the file might help as well |
| 22:14.45 | jhutchins_wk | sredna, what's your "launch new x session" icon say? |
| 22:14.52 | jhutchins_wk | fredrikh, Yeah, doing that now. |
| 22:15.24 | sredna | jhutchins_wk: It's completely silent |
| 22:16.06 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, easy way then. |
| 22:17.01 | sredna | GRR |
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| 22:17.36 | jhutchins_wk | Nope. |
| 22:17.52 | jhutchins_wk | Executable, symlink to executable in ~, doesn't work. |
| 22:18.10 | sredna | What is your script? |
| 22:18.12 | jhutchins_wk | And with that we're out of time folks. |
| 22:18.35 | jhutchins_wk | #! /bin/bash |
| 22:18.35 | jhutchins_wk | ssh abafileserver fetchmail -d |
| 22:19.00 | jhutchins_wk | Ah. Forgot the time. |
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| 22:19.44 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, both scripts verified, let's try again. |
| 22:19.53 | mac_ | can anyone tell me how to properly build a KDE Help Center Search Index in Kubuntu? Seems I need "htdig" installed, but still no good... claims it only found one handbook... |
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| 22:21.25 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, it does work. Thanks. |
| 22:21.31 | jhutchins_wk | Always verify your scripts. |
| 22:21.42 | jhutchins_wk | So now fetchmail starts & stops with kde session. |
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| 22:22.07 | wotnarg | How would you purge kicker settings? I think I stfu'd mine, since it won't show at all. |
| 22:22.25 | sredna | wotnarg: Confirm that it runs |
| 22:22.40 | wotnarg | it does; it responds to dcop and cannot be run again |
| 22:23.47 | sredna | Well, you can remove ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc |
| 22:23.59 | sredna | That will reset all custom settings |
| 22:24.18 | wotnarg | ok, that will (hopefully) work |
| 22:24.18 | sredna | canllaith: Hi btw |
| 22:24.20 | sredna | :) |
| 22:24.21 | Edulix | hi ! |
| 22:24.28 | wotnarg | since I can't convince it to work by playing with dcop |
| 22:24.46 | Edulix | if I do echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness kwin is very likely to segfault after sometime in my system |
| 22:24.53 | Edulix | is that logical or a bug? |
| 22:25.03 | Edulix | or maybe both? lol |
| 22:25.06 | sredna | wotnarg: 'dcop kicker kicker restart' |
| 22:25.10 | wotnarg | yea, I did |
| 22:25.35 | canllaith | :) |
| 22:25.59 | canllaith | Edulix: why would you set your swappiness to 0 |
| 22:26.03 | canllaith | rather than just swapoff ? |
| 22:26.58 | Edulix | well why not? |
| 22:27.24 | Edulix | I think that with swapiness to zero it still uses swap but only if really needed? not sure |
| 22:27.43 | canllaith | I think if you're not sure you should go read up a bit before tampering with it :) |
| 22:27.43 | Edulix | maybe I can set it to 1, but I think it would segfault also |
| 22:27.44 | benJIman | swappiness to 0 is really not a good idea if you're planning on using anything java |
| 22:27.49 | canllaith | heh |
| 22:27.51 | canllaith | or open office |
| 22:27.56 | canllaith | or anything gecko |
| 22:28.18 | Edulix | no java, just kde apps :P |
| 22:28.24 | Edulix | no gecko eiter |
| 22:28.34 | sredna | Depending on the amount of memory it's still silly |
| 22:28.42 | sredna | Frankly |
| 22:28.54 | sredna | If not as silly as the gnu linker is slow :() |
| 22:28.59 | Edulix | the problem is that after 15 hours up, kde is consuming 300mb of ram. my system has 256mb |
| 22:29.19 | canllaith | aha |
| 22:29.23 | canllaith | apt: memory-management |
| 22:29.29 | canllaith | no? how does one ask apt |
| 22:29.29 | Edulix | apt? lol |
| 22:29.35 | canllaith | apt: help |
| 22:29.48 | annma | ~ memory-management |
| 22:29.58 | annma | ~ memory-managment |
| 22:30.02 | annma | damn |
| 22:30.08 | annma | Phil!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:30.11 | Edulix | and I've got kopete, konqui with some tabs, konversation, konsole & amarok |
| 22:30.27 | canllaith | I can't remember how to use apt |
| 22:30.33 | canllaith | Edulix: read up on linux memory management |
| 22:30.36 | canllaith | I'll find you a URL |
| 22:30.42 | Edulix | apt-cache search .. |
| 22:30.44 | annma | ~ qt4 |
| 22:30.45 | Edulix | hehe |
| 22:30.49 | annma | ~qt4 |
| 22:30.54 | Edulix | canllaith: ok |
| 22:31.02 | Edulix | BTW if I start the computer and login into kde, it doesn't use swap |
| 22:31.07 | sredna | Hi annma :) |
| 22:31.08 | annma | the bot only answers Phil |
| 22:31.11 | canllaith | Edulix: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=175419 |
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| 22:31.14 | canllaith | annma: the bot answers me |
| 22:31.15 | annma | hi sredna :) |
| 22:31.19 | Edulix | after 4 hours without touching the machine, it's already using about 70-100mb of swap |
| 22:31.20 | canllaith | apt: split-ebuilds |
| 22:31.21 | apt | If you didn't build the whole of a KDE module, we can't offer support. See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=110806759516927&w=2 for the reason. Try #gentoo if you don't want to install the full KDE module. |
| 22:31.21 | sredna | ~memory-management |
| 22:31.24 | canllaith | see? |
| 22:31.30 | canllaith | I just need to have the right thing |
| 22:31.37 | annma | canlap: qt4 |
| 22:31.37 | sredna | ~sysadmin |
| 22:31.38 | apt | You can find lots of information useful to sysadmins at http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin and in the User Guide at http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/kde-for-administrators.html |
| 22:31.41 | Edulix | swapiness to 60 in my opensuse by default |
| 22:31.48 | annma | ~ qt4 |
| 22:31.49 | sredna | Hm |
| 22:31.52 | benJIman | most distros have 60 by default I think |
| 22:31.55 | annma | ~ Qt4 |
| 22:32.02 | frb-work | Edulix: is it actually giving you a performance hit? |
| 22:32.03 | annma | ~Qt4 |
| 22:32.11 | sredna | ... |
| 22:32.13 | annma | bah |
| 22:32.14 | benJIman | 60 is a good default |
| 22:32.15 | canllaith | Edulix: go and read the link I just sent you and then come back :) |
| 22:32.28 | Edulix | all of them ? |
| 22:32.40 | canllaith | Edulix: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=175419 <--- that one |
| 22:32.43 | wotnarg | ~ Qt4 |
| 22:32.45 | benJIman | Edulix: you said you havn't been touching it, things that arn't being used will be swapped out |
| 22:32.45 | Edulix | oh ok |
| 22:33.07 | benJIman | Edulix: freeing the memory for something useful |
| 22:33.19 | Edulix | benJIman: like doing nothing? lol |
| 22:33.26 | canllaith | go read! |
| 22:33.43 | canllaith | understanding of memory management is a requirement before being allowed to use the word 'swap' in this channel =p |
| 22:36.13 | Edulix | canllaith: who says that I don't understand it. I don't have the final word for it, but I've read about it. it's just a complex thingie |
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| 22:36.30 | canllaith | Edulix: it's clear you don't understand from what you're saying and what you've done. |
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| 22:37.58 | Edulix | I've a friend with a gentoo machine, and kde + amarok have been up for 2 days on there. it's used as a inet radio server so it's not touched "directly". KDE is not touched, so it could be swapped out ...right? surprise surprise, swap usage is yet 0! |
| 22:38.41 | Edulix | it has a 2.4 kernel btw, kde 3.2 & amarok 1.3 |
| 22:38.44 | benJIman | Edulix: you can configure it, but memory can be used for useful things other than application data, for most people swapping out unused application data is a good idea |
| 22:39.03 | benJIman | Edulix: the "free" memory will be used for disc cache , not having such a big disc cache degrades performance too |
| 22:40.32 | benJIman | Edulix: in other words, unless the default setting is causing a performance issue for you and you know what you're doing , leave it at the default, the people who set up the defaults probably know more about it than you |
| 22:42.44 | Edulix | canllaith: finished reading =) |
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| 22:43.53 | Edulix | benJIman: I think I'll default to 20 in swapiness as it's suggested (in some cases) in that link canllaith provided |
| 22:44.02 | Edulix | thanks for the info anyway ;) |
| 22:45.47 | StevenR | canllaith: hiya :) I handed in the thesis last week :) Freedom :):) |
| 22:46.28 | Edulix | ". A value of 0 gives something close to the old behavior where applications that wanted memory could shrink the cache to a tiny fraction of RAM" << this is what it says about swapiness 0. if I understand correctly, it doesn't say much about whether swpa is disabled or not |
| 22:47.51 | Edulix | swap |
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| 22:51.43 | Edulix | is it normal for kopete to use 52Mb in RSS column of top? it nearly doubles amarok RSS value |
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| 22:55.37 | DexterF | hi |
| 22:55.54 | Bearcat | hey folks. I've got the flu and i can't think straight so i need your help |
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| 22:56.12 | Bearcat | i just went into my kde addressbook and found that all of my contacts are gone!! |
| 22:56.23 | Bearcat | i don't know why. Not even kmail finds them. |
| 22:56.37 | Bearcat | what i want to know is, where is the contact file stored? |
| 22:56.39 | DexterF | when i click a link, kde opens it in an existing konq window as a new tab, even if i'm browsing files there. can i make it check that and rather use a web-browser-konq, if there is such a distiction in kde? |
| 22:56.51 | annma | Bearcat: what would they be gone? did you upgrade? |
| 22:57.16 | Bearcat | annma: i have not upgraded kdepim for a while now. |
| 22:57.20 | annma | DexterF: it's a setting in Configure Konqueror soewhere |
| 22:57.32 | annma | Bearcat: so what happened suddenly? |
| 22:57.41 | sredna | Bearcat: Try if ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf is an empty file. If so there should be backups lying next to it, pick the newest one with content |
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| 22:58.24 | Bearcat | sredna: thanx |
| 22:58.37 | sredna | Did it work? |
| 22:58.52 | DexterF | annma: mmmmkay |
| 22:59.52 | sredna | annma: But for that particular variant, a option is missing. |
| 22:59.57 | sredna | (dexterF) |
| 23:00.00 | Bearcat | sredna: A-ha!!! |
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| 23:00.26 | Bearcat | sredna: i was looking in ~/.kde.share/apps/kdeaddressbook ! |
| 23:00.44 | sredna | Bearcat: I never found out why that happens, and it hasn't for some time here |
| 23:00.45 | Bearcat | sredna: and i found a backup file! Should i just rename that, or do i import it somehow? |
| 23:00.51 | DexterF | sredna: means: can't do, only set to always create a new window..? |
| 23:00.55 | sredna | Bearcat: Just rename it |
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| 23:01.30 | sredna | DexterF: Means: You can't make konqueror open links in a new tab in a window matching a profile |
| 23:01.45 | DexterF | ic |
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| 23:01.55 | sredna | DexterF: It's the last part ("matching a profile") that is missing |
| 23:02.00 | annma | oh |
| 23:02.06 | annma | I was not aware of that |
| 23:02.21 | DexterF | will file a feature request |
| 23:02.36 | sredna | A missing option... unfortunately the trend is to not have options |
| 23:02.54 | DexterF | for, it's a bit annoying when web sites get a tab in a file browsing window when there's a konq web browser open already |
| 23:03.02 | sredna | ... or worse even: Hide then }: |
| 23:03.07 | annma | lol |
| 23:03.08 | annma | yes |
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| 23:03.41 | DexterF | ah, wth, one more option or not.. it's not gnome ;) |
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| 23:04.15 | Bearcat | sredna: thank you! You just made my day |
| 23:04.28 | sredna | Bearcat: :-) |
| 23:04.51 | sredna | Be sure to back up your addressbook once in a while ;) |
| 23:05.11 | Bearcat | indeed i will |
| 23:05.20 | Bearcat | i mean there goes my social life!! |
| 23:05.28 | sredna | Auch :O |
| 23:08.16 | StevenR | Paleo: ping |
| 23:08.19 | Paleo | pong |
| 23:08.45 | StevenR | Paleo: is it you who offered the kde project hosting? |
| 23:08.54 | Paleo | Yup |
| 23:09.00 | StevenR | can i pm you? |
| 23:09.11 | Paleo | Sure ! :) |
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| 23:14.40 | canllaith | StevenR: heya =) |
| 23:14.45 | canllaith | awesome stuff! |
| 23:14.47 | canllaith | sorry was in the shower |
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| 23:15.52 | sredna | Kscd does skip songs, in a weird, random pattern |
| 23:16.00 | StevenR | canllaith: means i can do all the things iwanted to do...like krystaline and reading books and cursing amarok when it crashes _again_ and playing with perl |
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| 23:33.58 | oGALAXYo | osnews.com changed colors |
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| 23:36.50 | emily | hi |
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| 23:38.25 | emily | hullo,all |
| 23:38.39 | mk24 | hi emily |
| 23:38.39 | emily | ?????????????? |
| 23:38.42 | emily | hi |
| 23:38.52 | StFS | hello |
| 23:39.10 | emily | hi |
| 23:39.54 | StFS | anybody here know if there's a timeframe for the new kitchensync? (the one that uses opensync as a backend and actually works) |
| 23:39.57 | emily | so wassup? |
| 23:40.23 | emily | huh? |
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| 23:40.56 | emily | srry,i dont speak computer |
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| 23:42.11 | emily | gbye |
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| 23:47.35 | nebula_ | hi |
| 23:48.15 | nebula_ | what files do i need in 'sysinstall' for kde |
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| 23:48.23 | nebula_ | i'm using freebsd 6.0 |
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| 23:56.11 | pusling | is kde able to use a .svg icon set for icons ? or should it be png arranged in right directories ? |
| 23:56.25 | teclis | hello, I have a little problem with kmail, knode, kontact, ... I think all application from that suite: Every Configuration-Menu has no controls!?! Can someone help me? |
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