| 00:00.25 | SimAtWork | did it help? |
| 00:00.31 | Gordon_Memory | SimAtWork: that thing is still called kpersonalizer nowadays? |
| 00:00.45 | SimAtWork | i think so, press alt-f2 and type it in |
| 00:00.50 | SimAtWork | it's probably no where i the menus |
| 00:03.26 | allix | Mem: 1026224 976460 49764 |
| 00:03.34 | allix | all i am running is gaim |
| 00:03.46 | allix | why is kde so thirsty? |
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| 00:04.22 | Gordon_Memory | SimAtWork: tried that, nothing happened, what package could it be in? |
| 00:04.32 | SimAtWork | gaim isn't a kde app |
| 00:04.47 | SimAtWork | Gordon_Memory: no clue :( |
| 00:04.56 | SimAtWork | oh wait |
| 00:04.56 | Gordon_Memory | found it, kdebase3-extra on suse |
| 00:04.57 | Gordon_Memory | :) |
| 00:05.00 | SimAtWork | someone showed me a trick to find out |
| 00:05.03 | SimAtWork | oh great |
| 00:05.07 | allix | it does not take that much resources |
| 00:05.14 | allix | kde does |
| 00:05.21 | Gordon_Memory | lol, thats on suse 9.2 |
| 00:05.26 | Gordon_Memory | theres no such package on 10 |
| 00:05.27 | Gordon_Memory | :( |
| 00:05.51 | Gordon_Memory | even if i search packages with the option "offer kpersonalizer" i get no match |
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| 00:06.04 | charwood | Why would my ksysguard not show any processes? |
| 00:06.06 | SimAtWork | it's part of kde base |
| 00:06.28 | SimAtWork | Gordon_Memory: try location:/kpersonalizer ? |
| 00:06.50 | allix | fine / name- kpersonalizer |
| 00:06.55 | allix | fine=find |
| 00:07.19 | SimAtWork | err locate, not location |
| 00:07.25 | SimAtWork | find works too |
| 00:07.31 | SimAtWork | but sooo slow |
| 00:07.32 | Gordon_Memory | protocoll not supported |
| 00:07.40 | Gordon_Memory | and i know how to use find :) |
| 00:07.43 | SimAtWork | oh, do it from command line then, locate kpersonalizer |
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| 00:08.08 | canllaith | Gordon_Memory: suse KDE does not have kpersonalizer |
| 00:08.18 | benJIman | it does |
| 00:08.34 | canllaith | my 9.3 doesn't and my 10.0 doesn't, except in my hand compiled KDE |
| 00:08.37 | Gordon_Memory | i guess it has... but in what package or where? (10) |
| 00:08.59 | allix | all distros seem to omit something from kde |
| 00:09.07 | SimAtWork | not gentoo! |
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| 00:09.32 | benJIman | canllaith: it certainly does |
| 00:09.49 | benJIman | canllaith: http://hitme.resetbutton.de/cgi-bin/pintest.pl?searchstring=bin%2Fkpersonalizer&version=10.0d_i386&type=cd&dl=ftp |
| 00:09.57 | canllaith | .... benJIman |
| 00:09.59 | allix | according to the slamd64 (distro i use) maintaner, he found gentoo 64 slowler than just compiling slackware to 64 bit |
| 00:10.06 | canllaith | dessa@holly:/opt/kde3> find . | grep kpersonalizer |
| 00:10.06 | canllaith | ./bin/kpersonalizer |
| 00:10.08 | canllaith | Yknow |
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| 00:10.10 | allix | hence he made the distro |
| 00:10.13 | canllaith | I'd swear that wasn't there yesterday! |
| 00:10.23 | canllaith | So ok, it does have kpersonalizer on 10 =) |
| 00:10.34 | StevenR | allix: slackware doesn't omit things from kde |
| 00:10.45 | canllaith | All it changes is the default KDM config |
| 00:10.47 | StevenR | hello canllaith :) |
| 00:10.49 | canllaith | and the default konsole schema |
| 00:10.53 | canllaith | iirc |
| 00:10.54 | allix | fred has for some reason |
| 00:10.55 | canllaith | heya StevenR :) |
| 00:10.59 | Gordon_Memory | anyways, where's kpersonalizer now here? |
| 00:11.00 | Gordon_Memory | :) |
| 00:11.20 | Gordon_Memory | ah i see |
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| 00:11.34 | SimAtWork | sorry my info hasn't been to helpful Gordon_Memory |
| 00:11.41 | SimAtWork | Gordon_Memory: why do you want to stop the smooth scrolling anyhow? |
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| 00:11.49 | Gordon_Memory | > rpm -qa | grep extra |
| 00:11.49 | Gordon_Memory | cabextract-1.1-5 |
| 00:12.10 | Gordon_Memory | SimAtWork: because i scroll a lot in files and directories |
| 00:12.15 | Gordon_Memory | it just annoys me |
| 00:12.19 | Gordon_Memory | it's slow |
| 00:13.04 | SimAtWork | does anyone here have the source code/cd that came with C++ gui programmign with qt 3? |
| 00:13.13 | benJIman | you can turn off smooth scrolling in kdeglobals iirc |
| 00:13.38 | Nach | SimAtWork, I have the CD... |
| 00:14.01 | Gordon_Memory | kdeglobals? |
| 00:14.15 | benJIman | ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals |
| 00:14.29 | benJIman | I think it's smoothscrolling=false or something similar, I can't find example though |
| 00:14.57 | benJIman | ah yes |
| 00:15.10 | benJIman | find the section [KDE] in that file and add SmoothScrooling=false to it |
| 00:15.13 | Nach | SimAtWork, that what you're looking for? |
| 00:15.17 | benJIman | spelt correctly |
| 00:15.25 | allix | SimAtWork : can you tell me what version of libgsf you have installed? |
| 00:15.26 | benJIman | SmoothScrolling=false |
| 00:16.16 | benJIman | Gordon_Memory: kdebase3-extra does exist on 10, make sure you have the full repository as a yast source |
| 00:16.24 | Gordon_Memory | do i need to log off to let the option take effect? or is there a dcop trick? |
| 00:16.41 | Gordon_Memory | benJIman: well i have the DVD in my drive |
| 00:16.55 | benJIman | boxed set dvd? |
| 00:17.02 | SimAtWork | nach, can you please send it to me? |
| 00:17.03 | Gordon_Memory | downloaded |
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| 00:17.10 | SimAtWork | allix: maybe, one sec |
| 00:17.16 | benJIman | Gordon_Memory: the downloaded one doesn't have all the packages as the whole repository won't fit on a single layer dvd |
| 00:17.18 | allix | thankss |
| 00:17.22 | benJIman | Gordon_Memory: add the main repository as a yast source |
| 00:17.29 | Gordon_Memory | okay |
| 00:17.34 | Nach | SimAtWork, I just did |
| 00:17.56 | SimAtWork | NACH! You rock |
| 00:17.58 | SimAtWork | thanks! |
| 00:18.08 | SimAtWork | anyone know of a tool to open .sit files in linux? |
| 00:18.25 | benJIman | stuffit has a free (as in beer) unstuffer , google for stuffit |
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| 00:23.20 | SimAtWork | hrm |
| 00:23.29 | SimAtWork | i'm gonna look for a free as in speach version first i think |
| 00:23.46 | Nach | SimAtWork, need the book in PDF too? |
| 00:23.56 | SimAtWork | nach, had the book |
| 00:24.01 | SimAtWork | but it didn't include all the source |
| 00:24.08 | SimAtWork | but i didn't realize that till chapter 3 :) |
| 00:24.26 | Nach | I have the book and the CD, but I never even opened the CD |
| 00:24.34 | Nach | I found it easier to download the source online :P |
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| 00:26.28 | SimAtWork | where was it? |
| 00:26.31 | SimAtWork | i was looking everywhere for it |
| 00:26.43 | SimAtWork | it seems like a great book but i'mgonna wait for a qt4 version before buying |
| 00:26.59 | mykilx | hello all, i'm looking for a way to have middle click close a tab in konqueror, anyone know how to accomplish this? |
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| 00:29.41 | Gordon_Memory | benJIman: do you have a server ready with the main repisotory? |
| 00:30.03 | Gordon_Memory | repository |
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| 00:30.52 | benJIman | see pm |
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| 00:31.16 | slowmaw | i am trying to change font size in the navigation panel in konqueror and have manage to change font in everything but that panel anyone have any ideas on how or where to go look |
| 00:32.08 | Nach | SimAtWork, I just did a search on aMule for the source code, and it popped up in ~5 seconds |
| 00:32.15 | SimAtWork | nach, for some reason that won't run now.. (i can't compie the programs in the file) |
| 00:32.19 | SimAtWork | did you have to do anything special? |
| 00:32.28 | SimAtWork | oh emule |
| 00:32.31 | Nach | I don't recall ever compiling the examples |
| 00:32.32 | SimAtWork | i never thought of looking here |
| 00:32.36 | Nach | no, there is no emule for Linux... |
| 00:32.42 | SimAtWork | yes there is |
| 00:32.44 | SimAtWork | or edonkey |
| 00:32.46 | SimAtWork | somethingl ike that |
| 00:32.48 | Nach | no... |
| 00:32.52 | Nach | but there is aMule |
| 00:33.05 | SimAtWork | oh |
| 00:33.06 | SimAtWork | i see |
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| 00:33.58 | SimAtWork | goodbye all |
| 00:34.25 | Nach | so anyone know of something similar to Kate that is for Windows? (or of something that installs Kate for Windows without too much hastle?) |
| 00:35.07 | SimAtWork | the closest thing is probably "notepad" |
| 00:35.09 | SimAtWork | enjoy :) |
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| 00:35.10 | Bonkie | win-what ? |
| 00:35.11 | Gentle | editplus and ultraedit are somewhat similar |
| 00:35.37 | Nach | Gentle, do they have line numbers, and () matching? |
| 00:35.53 | Gentle | what's bracket matching? |
| 00:36.02 | Gentle | ah, no |
| 00:36.06 | Nach | :P |
| 00:36.08 | Gentle | only line numbers |
| 00:36.18 | Nach | seems KWrite/KATE is the only app that does that... |
| 00:37.30 | benJIman | you could always use vim |
| 00:37.48 | Nach | I want something usable :P |
| 00:37.55 | benJIman | that's the trouble with windows |
| 00:38.21 | benJIman | maybe when they fix the dire installer and have useful applications it will be able to compete with linux for desktop use |
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| 00:41.33 | annma | but if you have linux why wanting soething on windows? |
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| 00:42.00 | Nach | annma, because sometimes I'm forced to use it, and I have nothing decent to edit code with |
| 00:42.18 | annma | what do you code on windows? |
| 00:42.32 | Nach | I generally don't code anything for Windows |
| 00:42.41 | Nach | but I make sure my apps are portable to all platforms in use today |
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| 00:43.05 | annma | wow |
| 00:43.07 | Nach | and from time to time code needs some tweaks to compile and run properly in Windows |
| 00:43.16 | annma | using what toolkit? |
| 00:43.21 | Nach | C++ |
| 00:43.29 | annma | no GUI? |
| 00:43.33 | Nach | nope |
| 00:43.42 | annma | what compiler on Windows? |
| 00:43.45 | Nach | GCC |
| 00:43.54 | annma | cygwin then? |
| 00:43.56 | Nach | nope |
| 00:43.57 | benJIman | mingw? |
| 00:44.05 | Nach | MinGW is GCC for Windows |
| 00:44.09 | benJIman | it's not all of gcc |
| 00:44.10 | annma | ah |
| 00:44.38 | Nach | I make frontends though from time to time, currently I'm writing those in Qt4 so I got excellent platform support |
| 00:44.42 | annma | making C++ progs portable progs should not be so tricky |
| 00:44.50 | Nach | you'd be suprised... |
| 00:45.08 | Nach | you notice sometimes that Windows totally lacks some basic functions like realpath()... |
| 00:45.35 | annma | tehre was an IDE I tedsted once devc++ or something |
| 00:45.38 | annma | it had an editor |
| 00:45.43 | Nach | yes, I'm currently using that |
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| 00:45.49 | Nach | but it sucks compared ot KATE |
| 00:46.39 | annma | you could be the one porting Kate to Windows |
| 00:46.51 | annma | things happen only when people want them |
| 00:46.56 | Nach | true... |
| 00:47.08 | annma | I doubt the Kate team is windows-related |
| 00:47.16 | Nach | although I'm currently busy with a lot of projects, not having KATE on Windows is just a minor annoyance |
| 00:47.23 | annma | i believe they don't have windows at all |
| 00:47.32 | Nach | and I know barely anything about KDE development |
| 00:47.38 | annma | 'so iw ould not bet on having Kate soon |
| 00:47.42 | Nach | heck I just learned Qt a few months ago |
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| 00:47.53 | annma | kde4 will be in 2007 ony probably |
| 00:48.30 | Gordon_Memory | emacs rules |
| 00:48.43 | Gordon_Memory | that's the one i use at the university :) |
| 00:48.49 | Nach | Gordon_Memory, perhaps, but it needs a good text editor |
| 00:48.56 | Nach | not all of us just sit around playing tetris |
| 00:49.05 | Gordon_Memory | right... emacs is just the editor within the lisp-environment |
| 00:49.07 | Gordon_Memory | :) |
| 00:49.19 | Gordon_Memory | that's like... if perl had an editor |
| 00:49.27 | Gentle | annma, is that a pessimistic or a realistic statement? |
| 00:49.47 | annma | at the least realistic |
| 00:49.54 | annma | maybe even optimistic |
| 00:50.15 | Gentle | so the announcement to "compete with Vista" can't be held up? |
| 00:50.23 | annma | announcement? |
| 00:50.29 | annma | where? |
| 00:50.32 | Nach | Gentle, Vista's date keeps getting pushed back more and more |
| 00:50.42 | Nach | Gentle, perhaps Vista will be released in 2008 |
| 00:50.52 | mykilx | Nach: if you're still looking for a windows editor, check out crimson editor http://www.crimsoneditor.com/ |
| 00:51.07 | mykilx | imho the best non ide editor for windows out there, and free |
| 00:51.19 | annma | Gentle: where was it announced that we compete? |
| 00:51.47 | enfact | both desktop OS systems, of course there's competition |
| 00:51.56 | Nach | mykilx, thanks I'll look |
| 00:52.07 | enfact | KDE not a complete OS but in users minds it might as well be |
| 00:52.08 | Gentle | no official announcement, rather like channel rumors, I heard from KDE devs that KDE4 and Vista will probably released at the same time |
| 00:52.16 | annma | lol |
| 00:52.18 | Nach | annma, more like Vista has to compete with KDE... notice how many KDE features are now in Vista... |
| 00:52.26 | annma | then those devels surey don't hack on kde4 |
| 00:52.31 | Nach | I'm just waiting for MS to attempt patenting them |
| 00:52.34 | enfact | haha taskbar v2 was completely ripped off |
| 00:52.43 | enfact | with the taskbar screenies |
| 00:53.00 | annma | Gentle: never believe in rumours unless they are told by well nown kde core devels |
| 00:53.01 | mykilx | Nach: it has ide-like abilities, and has syntax coloring for damn near any language you can think of |
| 00:53.11 | Nach | enfact, KDE may not be the complete OS, but I use Linux/KDE as my OS ;) |
| 00:53.19 | enfact | same here |
| 00:53.28 | annma | and I swear no core devel will state such thig like competing with Vista |
| 00:53.28 | Gentle | Nach, to complement RMS, you should say GNU/Linux/KDE ;) |
| 00:53.35 | enfact | until somebody comes out with something that dosent use x11:) |
| 00:53.38 | enfact | or they fix it |
| 00:53.40 | Nach | Gentle, I don't use GNU tools |
| 00:53.45 | Nach | aside from compiler stuff |
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| 00:53.56 | annma | kde core devels in fact barely know what vista is and don't care |
| 00:53.58 | Nach | I get the BSD tools just to spite him |
| 00:53.59 | Gentle | you use nothing released under the GNU GPL? |
| 00:54.11 | Nach | Gentle, nothing released by the GNU group |
| 00:54.12 | annma | so no KDE? |
| 00:54.22 | annma | closed mind? |
| 00:54.27 | enfact | oh cmon, nobody involved with tech dosent know what vista is |
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| 00:54.34 | enfact | esp people developing OS GUI |
| 00:54.44 | izut | Hi. Does KDE website has a list of KDE-centric Linux distros? |
| 00:54.47 | Gentle | enfact, what it is maybe, but not how it works |
| 00:54.52 | bwelmers | is this a place to ask things about kmail? |
| 00:54.53 | annma | we just know vista is the next windows name |
| 00:54.58 | annma | but no more |
| 00:55.01 | Nach | annma, GNU doesn't work on KDE last I checked, GNOME is their thing |
| 00:55.04 | Gentle | I wouldn't know of any Vista feature, tbh, I just know Vista will be released someday |
| 00:55.10 | StevenR | bwelmers: this in one place, #kontact is another |
| 00:55.11 | annma | Nach: you're so wrong |
| 00:55.19 | bwelmers | ok |
| 00:55.24 | annma | i met Stallman last summer |
| 00:55.25 | Nach | annma, look at the GNU list of utils, KDE isn't on it |
| 00:55.35 | annma | so i can talk with knowledge |
| 00:55.45 | annma | so what? |
| 00:55.54 | bwelmers | want to sort some folders mail on thread, other on date. can't find the setting somehow... |
| 00:55.54 | annma | kde is not a util |
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| 00:56.31 | Gentle | that's the point, the GNU list of utils only holds OS components, no OS enhancements, and the whole X11 thingie is considered as enhancement, like, it isn't needed to operate an OS |
| 00:56.56 | enfact | x11 needs to be replaced |
| 00:57.01 | enfact | or quartzed :) |
| 00:57.11 | Nach | annma, look at the list of apps/utils/whatever the GNU group created and supports, KDE isn't one of them |
| 00:57.24 | annma | so what? |
| 00:57.24 | bwelmers | sorry it seems I'm just sleeping |
| 00:57.36 | Nach | although you'll see HURD, coreutils, emacs, GCC, GNOME, GTK... |
| 00:57.46 | annma | we release under the GPL and LGPL and that's all that matters |
| 00:57.50 | enfact | gtk, blehck |
| 00:57.57 | eidolon | wh.... |
| 00:58.05 | eidolon | okay, this makes no sense. |
| 00:58.15 | eidolon | KOrganizer can not save a .ICS file to a fish:// host? |
| 00:58.21 | bwelmers | I'm also not using gnu utils in the core OS... does it matter... it's even not gpl'd |
| 00:58.33 | Gentle | according to Stallman, any application released under GPL is a GNU application, no matter if on that list or not |
| 00:58.35 | eidolon | i can browse to it. i can select it. i can see the files on the remote serve.r i hit save. "Remote Files Not Acceptable." |
| 00:58.43 | Nach | annma, yes, but KDE isn't something that was started by RMS and his team , in fact he had it shunned and they started the competition |
| 00:58.50 | eidolon | "You can only select local files." |
| 00:58.58 | Nach | Gentle, yes, I'm aware he likes to own everything |
| 00:58.59 | annma | Nach: compettion is good |
| 00:59.27 | enfact | branching in such a way that gnome and kde has, has also been damaging to linux as a desktop OS |
| 00:59.28 | Nach | annma, I'm not arguing about that, but KDE is not an RMS invention |
| 00:59.31 | annma | the more free projects the better |
| 00:59.38 | Gentle | there would be no improvement if there was no competition, why make an OS better if it's THE best? |
| 00:59.54 | enfact | helped and hurt |
| 00:59.56 | annma | it's considered the best when it's alone |
| 01:00.00 | annma | like Windows |
| 01:00.16 | enfact | did annma just say windows, i thought you didnt even know it existed? |
| 01:00.19 | enfact | ;) |
| 01:00.28 | annma | enfact: i am not a core developer |
| 01:00.32 | Gentle | what does "it exists" have to do with "I know how it works" ? |
| 01:00.34 | enfact | haha ok |
| 01:00.37 | izut | What Linux distros that are KDE centric you know? |
| 01:00.41 | annma | and I have plenty of windows xp knowledge |
| 01:00.41 | Nach | Gentle, read the KDE objectives |
| 01:00.41 | enfact | kubuntu |
| 01:00.47 | annma | thanks to my kids |
| 01:00.55 | Nach | Gentle, KDE is about constant improvement and making the best OS, and IGNORING everybody else |
| 01:00.57 | annma | i reinstall XP repetitivly |
| 01:01.19 | annma | KDE is not an OS |
| 01:01.28 | Gentle | Nach, you can't be better than Y if you ignore Y, I bet it doesn't say "we ignore all others" |
| 01:01.29 | annma | it's a Desktop Environment |
| 01:01.32 | enfact | but if you know what they are doing, you know what you need to do better and you know what you can have that they DONT, showing where you could be the OS that DOES |
| 01:01.37 | bwelmers | I'm glad my OS isn't centric on any DE |
| 01:01.48 | Nach | Gentle, read it http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfresponse.php |
| 01:01.55 | Ash-Fox | KDE is wonderful |
| 01:02.00 | enfact | yes:) |
| 01:02.01 | annma | enfact: not totally true. by knowing what they do you are biased |
| 01:02.08 | bwelmers | my OS is a OS and my DE a DE, two different things |
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| 01:02.15 | izut | bwelmers, I don't want to use Gnome, I want an interface that works :D |
| 01:02.32 | bwelmers | izut: so you choose a nice interface |
| 01:02.32 | enfact | biased how? |
| 01:02.38 | izut | bwelmers, real users can't complain that. |
| 01:02.45 | Ash-Fox | I'm so sick of how slow open dialogs are in GTK apps |
| 01:02.49 | annma | biased by knowing |
| 01:02.49 | bwelmers | izut: nice if $OS doesn't make that impossible |
| 01:02.53 | enfact | there is no bias unless you favor them over say, OS X |
| 01:03.05 | annma | there's a creativity risk |
| 01:03.13 | bwelmers | I'm especially sick on GTK2 file open dialogs |
| 01:03.19 | Gentle | Nach, did YOU read it? |
| 01:03.26 | Nach | beh, the GTK2 file dialogs are the worst |
| 01:03.28 | enfact | not at all, creativity is just subconscious pullings from things you've seen |
| 01:03.32 | enfact | nothing magical |
| 01:03.32 | Ash-Fox | I mean, terrible dialog designs I can take |
| 01:03.38 | annma | anyway, back to Kate in KDE4! |
| 01:03.43 | Ash-Fox | But the loading time.. argh |
| 01:03.44 | Nach | Gentle, yes, and it specifically says KDE does what it does and doesn't care what anyone else says or does |
| 01:03.44 | enfact | the more you see, the more you have to pull from the pallete |
| 01:03.46 | izut | I mean if the distro is KDE centric, you can say things can interoperate. |
| 01:03.46 | bwelmers | now they've become somewhat usable again |
| 01:03.55 | bwelmers | I can type my path like usually again |
| 01:04.07 | Nach | Gentle, "This has nothing to do with market share, mind share, corporate attention, or any other outside influence. No matter what happens, we will always work on KDE and make sure that it is the best system we can possibly make it." |
| 01:04.08 | Gentle | Nach, right, that's the only approach to be unbiased, but that doesn't mean to ignore the others |
| 01:04.29 | bwelmers | between about 2.6 and now that was impossible |
| 01:04.35 | Gentle | Nach, it's not "We don't care for competitors" but "We won't stop even if the competitors are better" |
| 01:04.51 | enfact | how would anybody ever have an idea on what people wanted as far as a GUI unless they looked around? |
| 01:04.52 | Nach | Gentle, I think the Q and A summed it up pretty well |
| 01:05.01 | Nach | Q: "How much does creation of GNOME Foundation affect KDE development?" |
| 01:05.02 | Nach | A: "As much as the birth of the last baby polar bear at the Quebec City Zoo" (i.e., not at all) |
| 01:05.03 | bwelmers | "We won't improve even if the competitors are better"? |
| 01:05.04 | izut | I put my 2 cents that the DE _is_ the OS, if you focus the desktop user. |
| 01:05.15 | enfact | and fooled with different os's, saying ok, this works well, this dosent in this os, eew |
| 01:05.18 | Gentle | Nach, that's about the FOUNDATION, not about Gnome |
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| 01:05.44 | Ash-Fox | izut, then the user is computer illiterate and needs to go take some computer courses |
| 01:05.52 | Nach | Gentle, then see the end |
| 01:05.55 | Nach | "In summary, the KDE Project has always existed and thrived regardless of competition by either other Open Source projects or profit-minded companies." |
| 01:06.19 | bwelmers | the desktop user won't mind the os, but the de |
| 01:06.30 | izut | Ash-Fox, tell that to worker that stays in front of its computer 8 hours a day and have a life :) |
| 01:06.45 | bwelmers | if their OS is being sysadmin'd by someone else |
| 01:06.45 | enfact | to the average desktop user the operating system IS the DE |
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| 01:06.55 | izut | Most of them wants to open their web browser and browse the web, and then their word processor and be happy. |
| 01:07.01 | izut | Just works(tm) |
| 01:07.07 | Ash-Fox | I've met some really computer illiterate people.. they're usually secretaries. |
| 01:07.10 | Gentle | Nach, that's what I said, KDE will not die even if Gnome may be better at some time, is all this sentence wants to say |
| 01:07.13 | bwelmers | for windows and mac prolly, glad it's not with freebsd |
| 01:07.30 | Ash-Fox | And they 'work' infront of a computer all day apparently. |
| 01:07.43 | enfact | "work" |
| 01:07.43 | Nach | Gentle, it says KDE will be KDE even if GNOME or "other Open Source projects" exist or not |
| 01:07.58 | Nach | and GNOME isn't so much competition as being a different option |
| 01:07.58 | Gentle | Nach, all it states is that there is no competition, but rather, Gnome users use Gnome, KDE users use KDE, and Windows users be converted. Happy world |
| 01:08.27 | Ash-Fox | I'd rather windows users stay on windows :( |
| 01:08.33 | izut | Ash-Fox, their work is mainly reading emails, browsing the web, scheduling tasks and doing some text documents or spreadsheets. |
| 01:08.34 | enfact | no whey |
| 01:08.51 | Ash-Fox | I don't want people opening virus e-mails on *nix platforms :P |
| 01:08.57 | Gentle | Ash-Fox, not if we can kill Microsoft step by step :> |
| 01:08.58 | izut | Ash-Fox, If we want Windows users stays on Windows, what are we doing here :) |
| 01:09.08 | annma | my kids were amazed how Kopete looks good |
| 01:09.23 | Nach | Gentle, and with GNOME's recent trend of just streamlining stuff (removing features) to make it easier to use, it's not exactly doing anything competitive that can be learned from |
| 01:09.52 | enfact | KDE and linux alike need way more thought a time put into usability than they are doing currently |
| 01:09.57 | Ash-Fox | izut, making something better the windows ones will never find out about... Anyway, I'll stop with the joke now |
| 01:09.58 | enfact | period. |
| 01:10.11 | izut | I think learning is influenced by obligations. If you need doing something, you will learn. Otherwise why should I learn quantum physics if I will never use that? |
| 01:10.18 | enfact | but its tought with the whole *whispers* cash thing |
| 01:11.14 | izut | I wish I had the money Mark Shuttleworth have to fund a KDE distro :) |
| 01:11.30 | StevenR | izut: learning becuase one is bored, or just feels like it.....I do that...I bought a sun ultra 5 and run solaris on it, mainly out of curiosity.....I started learning perl becuase I was doing extremely dull work one summer and needed to occupy my brain |
| 01:11.35 | Nach | Any chance Looking Glass features will be in KDE 4? |
| 01:12.42 | izut | StevenR, you and me are geeks. My hobby is install different distros. We work with that. OS' are our jobs, while are their tools. |
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| 01:13.43 | StevenR | izut: first thing i did to my sun...pull the top off the case to find out what was inside it....just to see.... |
| 01:13.59 | Knowerrors | Anyone know how to change the dpi of X? Mine is set at 81 and I want it to be 96 |
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| 01:14.49 | izut | StevenR, now I challenge you to search the difference of you and some office's worker :) |
| 01:15.42 | enfact | does anyone know of any os proj that are attempting to either replace X11 or make a layer like quartz to improve it? |
| 01:16.05 | StevenR | izut: ? |
| 01:16.06 | Ash-Fox | Apple has one called Aqua |
| 01:16.18 | enfact | quartz is apples |
| 01:16.27 | Ash-Fox | Or is it Qua.. yeah what enfact said |
| 01:16.38 | enfact | :) |
| 01:16.49 | enfact | unfortunately, jobs isnt letting anybody have that code |
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| 01:17.30 | izut | StevenR, you are a computer geek, most people uses the computer (the OS and DE) as tool to their jobs. They just want things works and expect to be productive. |
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| 01:18.20 | enfact | true, most people know nothing out of the three apps they use |
| 01:18.30 | Ash-Fox | "I don't know how to make ships, but this machine helps make part of the ship, I have no idea how to use it, but I'll sure be productive with it" |
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| 01:18.55 | kendwork | hey, what's with the large border at the bottom of the konsole window in this screenshot? |
| 01:18.57 | kendwork | http://dls.physics.ucdavis.edu/~grosa/still_huge.jpeg |
| 01:19.01 | kendwork | (my friend is bitching about it :) ) |
| 01:19.09 | izut | Ash-Fox, first step is make people use it. After that, you should encourage them to enhance that. |
| 01:19.34 | Ash-Fox | First step is to train people |
| 01:20.07 | enfact | people werent trained for windows, or os x |
| 01:20.12 | enfact | it just worked for them |
| 01:20.15 | izut | Yeah. |
| 01:20.16 | enfact | maybe for apps but not for os |
| 01:20.26 | izut | enfact's words are mine too. |
| 01:21.19 | kendwork | anyone? :) |
| 01:21.40 | izut | I think DesktopBSD, PC-BSD, MEPIS, Kubuntu are doing the right thing... They have the right price, now it needs to be attractive. |
| 01:21.49 | izut | kendrick, I think it is the konsole's frame. |
| 01:21.56 | enfact | kubuntu is great |
| 01:22.03 | kendwork | is there a way to remove it or make it smaller? |
| 01:22.10 | kendwork | i guess i have my Tabs at the bottom, so i don't notice... |
| 01:22.15 | enfact | needs a better package manager (bigger linux problem, installing software) |
| 01:22.29 | kendwork | i just downloaded Kubuntu DVD to install on my wife's laptop when we replace her dying HDD |
| 01:22.38 | kendwork | (she's been using straight Debian Testing) |
| 01:22.51 | kendwork | (she hates it when i upgrade things, cuz stuff breaks, so i figured Ubuntu might be better ;) ) |
| 01:23.07 | izut | I'm using OpenSUSE, and I didn't have to open a shell to configure anything. |
| 01:23.32 | Ash-Fox | enfact, er.. people I've talked to were trained for windows or had used another os before and learnt themselves easilly because of previous expirence |
| 01:23.40 | izut | I think OpenSUSE's KDE integration is nice. I want to see the DesktopBSD one. |
| 01:24.04 | kendwork | hrm, google says "konsole --noframe" |
| 01:24.26 | Ash-Fox | kendrick, why not just change the theming settings? |
| 01:25.02 | enfact | in a nutshell, KDE and linux in general need a focus on usability |
| 01:25.08 | izut | I'm a computer user since Windows 3.1. I never been trained. Most people I talk weren't. Piracy is the reason they use Windows than Linux or BSD as desktop. |
| 01:25.34 | enfact | also, people expect or will use whichever dosent require he most "training" |
| 01:25.42 | benJIman | kendwork: settings -> configure konsole -> show frame |
| 01:25.49 | Ash-Fox | izut, so, they just went to a computer, started using a mouse and keyboard without knowing anything? |
| 01:26.12 | izut | Ash-Fox, most time with help of their childs, or other people. |
| 01:26.13 | enfact | no, they asked questions to the guy in the next office because everybody and their mother was using windows |
| 01:26.13 | uranther | how do i use wget to download everything in a directory? |
| 01:26.18 | enfact | thats not happened with linux |
| 01:26.22 | kendwork | benJIman, thanks. he's using KDE 3.3, so it might be a new feature ;) |
| 01:26.24 | kendwork | but i'll let him know |
| 01:26.27 | uranther | -r just gets the index.html and robots.txt |
| 01:26.31 | izut | uranther, wget -m |
| 01:26.32 | Ash-Fox | Because, I know where familly members trained their parents or such.. but the whole doing it by themselfe err no |
| 01:26.34 | kendwork | thx again! |
| 01:26.35 | uranther | :O |
| 01:26.39 | Ash-Fox | izut, that's still training |
| 01:26.52 | izut | Ash-Fox, I was talking about corporative training. |
| 01:27.00 | uranther | izut: ha! thanks :D |
| 01:27.09 | izut | uranther, you're welcome. |
| 01:27.12 | enfact | regardless, whichever system is easier to use and works (the part linux has down pat), people will use, period. |
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| 01:27.52 | enfact | *aside from supporting software, talking from a usability standpoint |
| 01:27.53 | Ash-Fox | KDE is one of the easiest enviroments I have ever used |
| 01:27.55 | izut | DesktopBSD is an example of a OS that is tightly integrated with DE. |
| 01:28.18 | uranther | izut: can i ignore the robots.txt ? it has a Disallow: / :( |
| 01:28.28 | Ash-Fox | Infact I can't even think of a easier one off my head |
| 01:28.30 | izut | uranther, Dunno :( |
| 01:28.39 | enfact | hell, regular users cant even install software in linux yet... |
| 01:28.41 | uranther | :( |
| 01:28.50 | enfact | that requires training |
| 01:29.02 | izut | Ash-Fox, you're sure. That's the reason I think it should be integrated with OS. |
| 01:29.09 | enfact | nobody is going to compile, dpkg, apt-get or do ANYTHING in a console |
| 01:29.16 | Ash-Fox | enfact, I've seen people installing things like cxoffice, gaim etc in user mode |
| 01:29.22 | izut | DesktopBSD is a nice example. Software install is done from kcontrol. |
| 01:29.30 | benJIman | same in suse |
| 01:29.43 | izut | Ubuntu and OpenSUSE made it easier, for example. |
| 01:29.58 | izut | But I think having a Control Panel and kcontrol is confusing. |
| 01:30.14 | benJIman | kcontrol has everything |
| 01:30.18 | Ash-Fox | izut, what makes a OS, a kernel, a interface, some software with it |
| 01:30.21 | izut | DesktopBSD does that using a kcontrol plugin. That's nice, IMHO. |
| 01:30.30 | benJIman | izut: so does suse |
| 01:30.38 | Ash-Fox | izut, so, uh.. mandriva linux for example is a os, which includes kde, kernel, some apps |
| 01:30.52 | izut | OK. |
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| 01:31.16 | Ash-Fox | linux by it self, is not a os, just a kernel, kde by it self is not a os, just a kernel.. I don't really get what you're looking for.. already what you're asking for is there |
| 01:31.17 | izut | That's right. |
| 01:31.30 | Ash-Fox | err kde is just a desktop enviroment |
| 01:31.32 | benJIman | izut: http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/apache.png http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/sound.png http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/swsingle.png http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/firewall.png |
| 01:31.35 | izut | I'm just expressing myself ?) |
| 01:31.38 | Ash-Fox | blah, almost 3am.. getting tired |
| 01:31.57 | izut | Ash-Fox, I hope you didn't get me wrong :) |
| 01:32.19 | Ash-Fox | izut, I'm just trying to understand your point |
| 01:32.21 | izut | I think things should be easier for users. |
| 01:33.01 | izut | I just think that more people support KDE as part of OS, stronger it will be. |
| 01:33.34 | Ash-Fox | Mandriva, slackware, suse already do that? |
| 01:33.34 | izut | Because user interface is the OS these days. For 90% of people around the world. |
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| 01:34.04 | benJIman | izut: see my screenshots |
| 01:34.19 | izut | I don't know mandriva. Slackware no, SuSE do that but is confusing :) Two control panels are too much for a user. |
| 01:35.15 | benJIman | izut: look at my screenshots, they are all in kcontrol in suse |
| 01:35.15 | izut | benJIman, what suse are you using, 10.1? |
| 01:35.16 | benJIman | izut: it's been like that in suse since 8.something at least |
| 01:35.16 | benJIman | i'm running 10.0 on my desktop at the moment |
| 01:35.16 | Ash-Fox | izut, kde is not required, but when it's installed, it's 'part of the os' |
| 01:35.43 | Ash-Fox | I don't get how it isn't on slackware and how it is on suse even? |
| 01:36.16 | izut | Slackware doesn't have that kind of integration benJIman showed. |
| 01:36.40 | benJIman | slackware is very "vanilla" suse do lots of patching |
| 01:36.44 | StevenR | izut: slackware includes vanilla kde, no modifications |
| 01:37.01 | izut | Slackware is not a 'user distro'. |
| 01:37.50 | izut | But I'm happy suse guys are doing things like that. |
| 01:37.53 | StevenR | izut: yes it is...my entire family use it. we all use kde....most of us are quite comfy using the commandline (we all grew up with dos, so bash is just another way of makign the computer do stuff) |
| 01:38.30 | StevenR | izut: in what way is slackware not a user distro? |
| 01:38.36 | izut | I will not compare you with people knowing computers from a couple years ago. |
| 01:39.09 | izut | I'm saying it is not appealing for people that started using Windows XP. |
| 01:39.25 | izut | Started their computer life using Windows XP. |
| 01:40.02 | StevenR | izut: again, i think you're wrong. |
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| 01:41.01 | izut | My workstation is Linux, now OpenSUSE. I can count on my fingers how many people are using Linux at work. |
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| 01:41.02 | benJIman | being user friendly to novices isn't exactly a primary aim of slackware StevenR , doesn't mean that many people can't use it |
| 01:41.31 | Ash-Fox | At the supermarket, all the slightly old computers for sale there run on some distro of linux |
| 01:41.52 | Ash-Fox | They all have KDE loaded, makes me happy seeing it |
| 01:42.06 | izut | I can't compare apples to pears. Someone can be confortable using Gentoo. I was all the time talking about the spreadsheet and text processor user. |
| 01:42.18 | izut | Ash-Fox, here in Brazil are some of them, too. |
| 01:42.25 | Ash-Fox | I always see someone loaded up koffice or something to take a look, so I think people do consider those computers :P |
| 01:43.08 | izut | They consider because it remembers something they're familiar :) |
| 01:43.54 | izut | I'm using OpenSUSE because "It just works(tm)" |
| 01:44.08 | StevenR | izut: i'm using slackware for the same reason :) |
| 01:44.10 | Ash-Fox | Transitioning from a amiga word proccessor to Microsoft word was nothing for me.. all the buttons were the same.. and that's pretty much the same when I transitioned to openoffice and koffice |
| 01:44.31 | Ash-Fox | I use slackware because it has TUIs |
| 01:44.35 | Ash-Fox | and KDE |
| 01:44.38 | izut | Ash-Fox, nice! What about there weren't any buttons? |
| 01:44.41 | Ash-Fox | Two things I love a lot |
| 01:45.01 | Ash-Fox | izut, what? |
| 01:45.33 | izut | Ash-Fox, what if there are no buttons on Kword for example? Would you be comfortable with? |
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| 01:46.40 | Ash-Fox | I suppose |
| 01:46.48 | Ash-Fox | since I use keyboard shortcuts anyway |
| 01:46.57 | Ash-Fox | Which are the same on all platforms funny enough |
| 01:47.16 | izut | And what about if it were like Emacs defaults, including shortcuts? |
| 01:47.28 | Ash-Fox | I guess I'd look in the manual |
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| 01:47.38 | izut | Heh. |
| 01:47.41 | Ash-Fox | I remember vim was a pain though |
| 01:47.56 | izut | We are different kind of users. |
| 01:47.59 | Ash-Fox | Because I didn't have a manual for it |
| 01:48.05 | izut | :help |
| 01:48.07 | izut | :D |
| 01:48.13 | Ash-Fox | I didn't know about : |
| 01:48.19 | Ash-Fox | I couldn't even quit the thing |
| 01:48.34 | Ash-Fox | so I'd hit ctrl + z to send it into a the foreground |
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| 01:49.53 | izut | I have friends of mine using Gnome on Gentoo, Fluxbox on Gentoo and are happy. |
| 01:50.30 | izut | I really respect that :) |
| 01:51.18 | izut | Brb |
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| 01:57.04 | izut | Hi :) |
| 01:57.40 | izut | benJIman, All yast's modules are integrated on kcontrol. |
| 01:57.48 | benJIman | yes |
| 01:58.13 | izut | benJIman, that's really nice. |
| 01:59.30 | izut | Ash-Fox: Sorry if I've been misunderstood. I just wanted to expose my thoughts :) |
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| 02:04.00 | izut | Thanks for the nice talk. |
| 02:04.27 | izut | See you. |
| 02:04.50 | TheSimkin | you guys are insane |
| 02:04.53 | TheSimkin | in the membrane! |
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| 02:05.24 | TheSimkin | i wish mac osx was more like kde |
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| 02:08.18 | luksan | TheSimkin: that's good |
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| 02:08.33 | luksan | TheSimkin: some idiots want KDE to look like OS X |
| 02:08.38 | TheSimkin | blech |
| 02:08.46 | luksan | TheSimkin: have you seen kde-look.org |
| 02:08.54 | TheSimkin | not for a bit |
| 02:09.06 | TheSimkin | i have the rss feeds |
| 02:09.13 | TheSimkin | so i don't usually go to the url directly |
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| 02:09.34 | TheSimkin | i am downloading the qt packages for mac osx though |
| 02:09.36 | TheSimkin | gonna check it out |
| 02:09.49 | luksan | TheSimkin: there are actual splash screens that have Mac OS on the, wtf |
| 02:10.08 | TheSimkin | LAME! |
| 02:11.04 | luksan | LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder |
| 02:11.13 | luksan | GNU's Not Unix |
| 02:11.30 | luksan | PHP Hypertext Preprocessor |
| 02:12.02 | TheSimkin | help help |
| 02:12.06 | TheSimkin | i think i broek luksan |
| 02:12.09 | TheSimkin | er broke |
| 02:12.17 | luksan | i'm trying to think of more |
| 02:12.29 | TheSimkin | more what |
| 02:12.43 | luksan | recursive computer acronyms |
| 02:13.15 | luksan | HURD of Unix Replacing Daemons |
| 02:13.23 | _Roey | hmm. |
| 02:13.24 | luksan | HIRD of Interfaces Representing Depth |
| 02:13.27 | Gentle | luksan, wrong |
| 02:13.46 | luksan | Genle? |
| 02:13.52 | Gentle | luksan, HURD is a HERD of unix replacement daemons, while HERD is an acronym starting with HURD which I can't remember |
| 02:13.52 | _Roey | doh |
| 02:13.59 | _Roey | better. |
| 02:14.44 | _Roey | evern |
| 02:14.45 | _Roey | doh. |
| 02:14.47 | _Roey | better. |
| 02:14.58 | _Roey | I'm trying to match Konversation to XChat colors. |
| 02:15.15 | luksan | oh, you're right |
| 02:15.21 | luksan | but it's HIRD not HERD |
| 02:15.22 | Gentle | luksan, btw I was wrong too, here's what Stallman has to say: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html#name |
| 02:15.30 | luksan | and it's HIRD of Interfaces Representing Depth |
| 02:16.30 | TheSimkin | i wish hurd was in better shape |
| 02:17.50 | luksan | you might as well be nostalgic for Multics |
| 02:18.56 | Gentle | hurd's a microkernel, nobody really wants that, and in fact nobody has ever seen one booting a usable system |
| 02:19.04 | Gentle | and I do know M4 developers personally ;) |
| 02:19.20 | luksan | Gentle: huh? |
| 02:19.25 | luksan | Gentle: KDE runs on the HURD |
| 02:19.30 | fredrikh | Gentle: QNX? |
| 02:19.36 | luksan | Gentle: Mach is a microkernle |
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| 02:25.23 | TheSimkin | Gentle: so people want a monolithic kernel? |
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| 02:25.44 | excitatory | how can one change the click behavior or konq? i would like to change it so that while doing file management, i click twice to open things. (i've scoured the prefs and cannot fiqure it out) |
| 02:25.56 | excitatory | *of konq |
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| 02:26.56 | __Roey | greetings Dhraakellian! |
| 02:27.01 | TheSimkin | excitatory: you haven't looked very hard :) |
| 02:27.08 | TheSimkin | excitatory: kcontrol, peripherals, mouse |
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| 02:27.55 | excitatory | TheSimkin. oh, heh..sorry..i was only looking in the konq prefs.. |
| 02:28.11 | TheSimkin | heheh |
| 02:28.13 | TheSimkin | Just kidding |
| 02:28.16 | TheSimkin | i'v been there, done that! |
| 02:28.22 | TheSimkin | sometimes things just aren't where you expect. |
| 02:28.27 | TheSimkin | even if they are in very logical places. |
| 02:29.00 | excitatory | well us girls are not always logical. we embrace the chaos :D |
| 02:29.33 | TheSimkin | lol |
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| 02:43.55 | htedrom | hey all...when k3b says "Appears not to be a usable image" |
| 02:43.58 | htedrom | what does that actually mean |
| 02:44.08 | htedrom | what is it looking at? |
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| 02:46.21 | TheSimkin | i take it you're trying to burn an iso file? |
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| 02:46.26 | TheSimkin | if not you're doing something wrong |
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| 03:01.18 | tonsofpcs | ok, having a *very* weird problem here. All of my task-bar launcher icons disappeared, and everything in the KDE menu disappeared except for a folder "Applications", with subfolder "Emulators", subfolder "Wine", subfolder "Start", which is empty (mandriva) |
| 03:03.28 | tonsofpcs | anyone? |
| 03:10.52 | tonsofpcs | Anyone know what caused it and/or what to do to fix it? |
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| 03:13.14 | htedrom | tonsofpcs, no man, but that sounds pretty weird lol |
| 03:13.19 | htedrom | good luck |
| 03:13.19 | ro28 | tonsofpcs: if you're really desparate, removing ~/.kde* might work |
| 03:13.47 | tonsofpcs | ro28 - trying a few things from the other networks first, then i'll try ;) |
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| 03:18.22 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: did you do as I said ages ago, look at 'lshal' output for your floppy and see if it's correct? :-) |
| 03:18.38 | DeFCoN[1] | Yes, and I responded to you ;P |
| 03:19.22 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: Oh, I didn't see, sorry (and still can't see), what was your response? |
| 03:19.31 | DeFCoN[1] | The incorrect path was located in that output so I assume that's the souce of the issue but don't know where to edit that |
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| 03:20.50 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: which exact property is incorrect? |
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| 03:23.12 | DeFCoN[1] | System --> Storage Media --> "Floppy Drive" Properties --> Meta Info Tab --> Device Node: /dev/floppy/0 |
| 03:23.18 | DeFCoN[1] | When it should be /dev/fd0 |
| 03:24.19 | excitatory | does qt text editor app exist that is very lightweight, even more so than kwrite? something a la EditPlus, or I guess notepad. |
| 03:24.25 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: no, what I mean is, if you run 'lshal' at a console and look at the properties for your floppy drive, which of those is incorrect? |
| 03:24.25 | tonsofpcs | ro28 - it seems to have happened while it was logged in and someone pressed winkey+d..... (stupid luser) |
| 03:26.21 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: it's located under 'udi = /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_floppy_0_storage' |
| 03:27.01 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: yes... and which property says /dev/floppy/0, when it should be /dev/fd0 ? block.device ? |
| 03:27.51 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: /nod |
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| 03:32.01 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: do you have any fstab entries for your floppy? If so, try commenting them out |
| 03:32.11 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: also, have pmount installed |
| 03:32.37 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: fstab floppy was commented out before and I was told to make sure it's in there with the user flag |
| 03:33.00 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: if you have pmount installed, you don't need fstab entries |
| 03:34.55 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: I don't :/ |
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| 03:35.15 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: install it then :-) fstab entries are nothing but trouble |
| 03:35.25 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: I know I should be able to fix it using the current setup though, that value has to be stored somewhere :/ |
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| 03:37.55 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: run udevinfo -q all -n /dev/fd0 |
| 03:38.58 | DeFCoN[1] | P: /block/fd0 N: floppy/0 S: fd0 |
| 03:40.41 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: so floppy/0 is indeed a correct device node for your floppy... the problem is just your fstab entry |
| 03:40.57 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: change your fstab entry from using /dev/fd0 to using /dev/floppy/0, and that should fix the prob. |
| 03:41.07 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: see what I mean when I say fstab entries are nothing but trouble? :-) |
| 03:41.12 | DeFCoN[1] | sweet lemme try it :D |
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| 03:48.35 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: now i can't even access it in /mnt/floppy :P |
| 03:49.22 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: what the heck did you do? :-) |
| 03:49.41 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: exactly what you said to do in fstab.. heh |
| 03:50.02 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: can you just show the whole fstab line here... before and after you changed it? |
| 03:50.22 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: it doesn't seem the path to the floppy mount was actually wrong, it's where that shortcut is pointing |
| 03:50.25 | DeFCoN[1] | Sure, one moment |
| 03:51.04 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: the thing is, HAL doesn't know about any of your symlinks; it only knows the real device node, so that's what you have to use in fstab |
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| 03:52.36 | DeFCoN[1] | Before: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,user 0,0 |
| 03:52.45 | DeFCoN[1] | After: /dev/floppy/0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,user 0,0 |
| 03:55.58 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: OK, and what happens if you try to manually mount the floppy now? |
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| 03:58.06 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: using fd0 or /floppy/0 |
| 03:58.23 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: 'mount /mnt/floppy' should work either way |
| 03:58.52 | DeFCoN[1] | o_O i've always just done like /mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppu |
| 03:59.08 | DeFCoN[1] | I'm a linux newb though :P |
| 04:00.31 | DeFCoN[1] | "according to mtab, /dev/floppy/0 is already mounted on /mnt/floppy |
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| 04:02.54 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: OK, unmount the floppy, remove it from your computer, then put it back in and go to the system bit in KDE |
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| 04:08.05 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: that's done :P |
| 04:08.13 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: does it work? |
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| 04:09.40 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Opening the floppy drive in the media thing after its unmounted? |
| 04:09.53 | tonsofpcs | back |
| 04:10.06 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: No. It mounts /dev/floppy/0 which is an empty folder (because that's not the correct mount >< ) |
| 04:10.24 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: what? /dev/floppy/0 is an empty folder? What do you mean... ? |
| 04:10.36 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: /dev/floppy/0 isn't a folder at all |
| 04:10.46 | DeFCoN[1] | Let me explain.. |
| 04:13.10 | DeFCoN[1] | That's what it's always done. If you try to use the Floppy Disk icon in the removable media thing in KDE, it mounts /dev/floppy/0 and takes me into media:/0 (empty) but that's not really the floppy. If I go back to the removable devices area it still says the floppy is unmounted |
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| 04:14.09 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: ah... OK then. I'm afraid I didn't understand the full extent of your problem... |
| 04:14.23 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: no problem, I probably didn't explain it well enough |
| 04:14.39 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: sorry, I have no idea why KDE does that, or how to fix it... |
| 04:15.06 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: when I had it mounting /dev/fd0 it did the same thing in the removable devices, but if i went to /mnt/floppy i could view the files (but not edit or delete, but that's probably an access issue) |
| 04:18.24 | eidolon | wow. does kaffeine work at all? it just failed miserably under 3.5 (kubuntu) |
| 04:18.29 | eidolon | on a simple mpg. |
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| 04:39.51 | TheSimkin | failed how |
| 04:40.08 | TheSimkin | didn't load the file |
| 04:40.09 | TheSimkin | crashed? |
| 04:40.14 | TheSimkin | played part and then stopped/crashed? |
| 04:41.12 | Roey | jesus christ Konqueror crashes a whole lot!!! arg |
| 04:41.21 | TheSimkin | ? |
| 04:41.27 | TheSimkin | you guys all have weird problems at night |
| 04:42.00 | TheSimkin | what made it crash? |
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| 04:45.05 | Roey | opening web pages ;) |
| 04:45.20 | Roey | TheSimkin: I'll yell again once another konq crashes on me and I capture its backtrace |
| 04:45.47 | TheSimkin | Roey, that's terrible :( |
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| 04:48.36 | Roey | don't worry |
| 04:48.40 | Roey | worse things have happened. |
| 04:53.15 | TheSimkin | yah |
| 04:53.21 | TheSimkin | like last nights election |
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| 05:04.50 | Roey | well |
| 05:04.54 | Roey | good night TheSimkin |
| 05:05.08 | TheSimkin | goodnight roey |
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| 05:48.08 | JW | I upgraded to KDE and the new Kopete isn't logging converstations and I can't find a way to turn logging on or off |
| 05:48.14 | JW | any ideas how to turn it on? |
| 05:53.53 | Dhraakellian | Settings > Configure Plugins... |
| 05:53.59 | Dhraakellian | enable the History plugin |
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| 05:57.59 | DeFCoN[1] | Okay, I have my floppy working now but to access it I must go to /mnt/floppy/. However, I setup KDE with hal and in my System.desktop --> Storage Media --> Floppy Drive, it is trying to mount /dev/floppy/0 (it should be /dev/fd0), where can I edit this value? In the floppy properties on this screen it is stored as the "Device node: " under the meta info tab |
| 05:58.12 | JW | Dhraakellian: it is already enabled. |
| 05:58.38 | Dhraakellian | dunno, then |
| 05:58.52 | Dhraakellian | which is not to say that no one else does |
| 06:01.12 | JW | Oh well :-) |
| 06:07.09 | TheSimkin | DeFCoN[1]: do it hte other way around. ccreate a link from /dev/floppy/0 to /dev/fd0 |
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| 06:07.22 | TheSimkin | DeFCoN[1]: ln -s /dev/floppy/0 /dev/fd0 |
| 06:07.33 | TheSimkin | err |
| 06:07.34 | TheSimkin | other way around |
| 06:07.41 | TheSimkin | ln -s /dev/fd0 /dev/floppy/0 |
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| 06:08.37 | ro28 | TheSimkin: for him, that is handled by udev |
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| 06:11.16 | DeFCoN[1] | Hi again ro :) I have made a little progress =d |
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| 06:12.08 | DeFCoN[1] | im positive the path is /dev/fd0 and not /dev/floppy/0 now, and I can access files and everything fine in the /mnt/floppy directory now |
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| 06:34.16 | DeFCoN[1] | I may have just found my floppy issue. In the properties of /mnt/floppy is has 'root' for the Group field rather than floppy. How do I change this? :) |
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| 07:17.06 | DeFCoN[1] | If i go to my /mnt/floppy properties and change a permission setting, it will not 'save', just sesets the next time i look. Yet, it's not inherriting the permissions for the device being mounted (has root for the group, so users in floppy group cannot use it) |
| 07:18.08 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: what do you mean you're positive the path is /dev/fd0 and not /dev/floppy/0 now? |
| 07:18.25 | DeFCoN[1] | well, nm that... /dev/df0 is a link to /dev/floppy/0 |
| 07:18.26 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: by the way, i may not see your responses for a very long time if you don't prefix them with my nick |
| 07:18.35 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Sorry! :D |
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| 07:19.36 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: i know /dev/fd0 is a link to /dev/floppy/0, but you should have /dev/floppy/0 in fstab, because HAL only knows that /dev/floppy/0 exists; it does not know of the existence of /dev/fd0 |
| 07:20.24 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: That's odd because by using /dev/fd0 it fixed all my issues for root. I only have permission problems now. |
| 07:20.52 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Even root was having issues accessing the floppy (wouldn't display files on disk) with /dev/floppy/0 |
| 07:21.43 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: that is pretty damn odd |
| 07:21.57 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: hehe |
| 07:22.07 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: well, I can help you with this anyway: to change the group the floppy is mounted as, use the gid option in fstab |
| 07:22.50 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: find out the gid of the group you want from /etc/group, then have an option like 'gid=1234', the same place as the 'user' option |
| 07:22.55 | The_Ball | DeFCoN[1], do you know that this disc is good? |
| 07:22.58 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: I couldn't tell ya, I just installed gentoo / kde for the first time last thurs but have been messing with settings non stop. I just know that /dev/fd0 was the default in the fstab file, not that it means much |
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| 07:23.42 | DeFCoN[1] | The_Ball: Yes, root can use it just fine. |
| 07:23.45 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: One moment please |
| 07:24.13 | The_Ball | DeFCoN[1], oh, just read "Even root was having issues" |
| 07:24.53 | DeFCoN[1] | The_Ball: Yes, that was from before :) ro28 was helping me earlier |
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| 07:34.02 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Okay this is odd. Running "Floppy Drive" in Storage Media (still points to /dev/floppy/0) mounts the floppy and lets my user access it now (great!), yet I have to get to it through /mnt/floppy since that icon is still looking to mount /dev/floppy/0 i suppose. |
| 07:34.19 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Now that usergroup access is straightened out, maybe I should try that path again in fstab? |
| 07:34.28 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: maybe |
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| 07:34.41 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Couldn't hurt, ill give that a go. |
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| 07:40.12 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Semi-good news. Same result, but still have to access the floppy through /mnt/floppy |
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| 07:41.45 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: OK. If you don't mind, look at 'lshal' output again. Find your floppy device... and tell me what, if anything, the property volume.mount_point is equal to |
| 07:41.57 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: (this is while the floppy is mounted) |
| 07:42.19 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Mounting it through Storage Media takes me to media:/0 which is just empty and it says the floppy isn't mounted if i go back but it still is |
| 07:42.22 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: ok |
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| 07:48.31 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: im not seeing a volume.mount_point for the floppy, only the 3 HD partitions |
| 07:49.12 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: OK, well that could potentially be a problem :-) Wait a minute, I'm looking at the source for the media:/ ioslave |
| 07:51.47 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Okay thanks. If it helps, perhaps part of the issue is im using an older laptop where you swap the cd-rom and floppy out. Of course for the installation the cdrom was in and the floppy was no present. |
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| 07:56.34 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: lshal again. for your floppy, does info.capabilities contain volume or storage or both? |
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| 08:05.57 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: {'storage', 'block'} |
| 08:06.37 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: OK. Well, from looking at the source code, kio_media _definitely_ gets the mount point from HAL, so now we need to figure out why volume.mount_point is not set for your floppy |
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| 08:07.10 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: can you please make sure (again) that fstab has /dev/floppy/0, not /dev/fd0... |
| 08:07.55 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: ...and then unmount and remount the floppy at the command line, then 'lshal | grep /mnt/floppy' and see if there are any results? |
| 08:07.58 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: yep, its open right now... /dev/floppy/0 /mnt/floppy |
| 08:08.15 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: it's also saved, right? :-) |
| 08:08.24 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: rofl, yes :) |
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| 08:09.52 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: no results |
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| 08:11.00 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: kio_media thing, is that the 'shortcut' mount icon stuff? |
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| 08:12.42 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: basically, kio_media is the program which handles the media:/ 'virtual folder'... there's a whole bunch of these things called 'ioslaves'. OK, can you please unmount your floppy and remove it from the drive, then do 'lshal --monitor' and leave it running, then insert your floppy and mount it, then put the 'lshal --monitor' output in a pastebin? |
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| 08:14.10 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: this pc is seperate from the linux box :/ |
| 08:14.27 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: do you mean you can't remove the floppy from the drive? |
| 08:14.35 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: honestly, if it's going to be a big pita, i can make a simple shortcut to the /mnt/floppy folder and just use the other icon to mount it |
| 08:14.47 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: I meant if you were going to have me paste output to you |
| 08:14.51 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: you can... it would be nice to solve this though, right? :-) |
| 08:14.58 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: of coure |
| 08:15.02 | DeFCoN[1] | *course |
| 08:16.30 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Nothing, just some battery voltage updates |
| 08:17.25 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: OK. Damn it. My last suggestions are to try restarting HAL, and try rebooting altogether |
| 08:17.50 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: I've rebooted a few times trying to get this :/ |
| 08:18.10 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: then, I just don't know |
| 08:18.20 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: I've actually never, ever used a floppy drive with linux :-) |
| 08:18.32 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: when i do mount /mnt/floppy does it pull the path from fstab? |
| 08:18.42 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: yes, that's right |
| 08:19.09 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Okay. We'll I may check back in here tomorrow, I have to get to sleep for class in 4 hours :) I really appreciate you trying to help |
| 08:19.28 | ro28 | DeFCoN[1]: no problem. later :-) |
| 08:19.54 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: And at least I can access my floppy at all now, which is plenty for now |
| 08:19.54 | DeFCoN[1] | ro28: Take care =) |
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| 08:26.04 | carsten | anyone with Microsoft word here? I need a .doc-file as .pdf |
| 08:26.06 | SOLARMASTER | If you are bored of IRC, take time to join my game at : http://sre.servegame.com, I need some beta-testers who like strategics webgames (Its a port/clone of SRE[SOLAR REALMS ELITE]), come and play |
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| 09:16.01 | Gordon_Memory | hi |
| 09:18.59 | Gordon_Memory | any idea how to disable these round edges on /only selected/ icons? http://spasalackenpilot.org/foo4.jpg |
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| 09:26.23 | CrazyTB | At that computer lab, some computers have one type of keyboard, while some have other. |
| 09:26.48 | CrazyTB | Currently, I set the kbd type in xorg.conf. |
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| 09:27.22 | CrazyTB | However, KDE (and gnome too) overrides that selection, because they have their own keyboard managers. |
| 09:27.50 | CrazyTB | How can I make KDE use the same keyboard model/layout that is configured at X? |
| 09:28.25 | CrazyTB | (I ask this because often users complain about wrong keyboard layout, but this is related to kde/gnome) |
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| 09:34.17 | benJIman | kcontrol -> regional & accessability -> keyboard layout |
| 09:34.58 | CrazyTB | benJIman: Any user can change that, I know... |
| 09:35.31 | CrazyTB | but most users are "dumb", and they don't want to fiddle with settings... |
| 09:35.36 | benJIman | it should use your x keyboard unless you've specified another one I think |
| 09:35.42 | CrazyTB | I ask a solution the admin could do. |
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| 09:43.30 | FRIpolz | grr |
| 09:43.39 | FRIpolz | there's a bug in kkbdsqitch |
| 09:43.41 | FRIpolz | ups |
| 09:43.56 | FRIpolz | kxkbswitch |
| 09:44.40 | FRIpolz | or whatereve the KDE keyboard tool is called |
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| 09:45.13 | FRIpolz | if the switching policy is set to anything other than Global, the keyboard layout variant gets wiped when you switch windows |
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| 09:51.13 | s-andy | hi |
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| 09:51.54 | s-andy | i asked yesterday - wanna try again... is there any way to get windows list from commmand line? |
| 09:52.31 | FRIpolz | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120037 <- could someone confirm this bug ? |
| 09:52.34 | s-andy | found: xwininfo -root -tree... but seems it is not what i want. :( |
| 09:53.02 | FRIpolz | s-andy: what do you want then ? |
| 09:53.39 | s-andy | FRIpolz: i will use this in lircrc... |
| 09:54.21 | s-andy | FRIpolz: to determine whether certain program is run and is current |
| 09:54.40 | s-andy | FRIpolz: i think there are some other ways this may be used... |
| 09:55.44 | FRIpolz | what do you mean by "current" |
| 09:55.45 | FRIpolz | ? |
| 09:56.30 | s-andy | currentwindow... that program's window is current |
| 09:57.04 | s-andy | tvtime for example may be run but may not be current window |
| 09:57.13 | FRIpolz | by current I presume you mean "has focus" ? |
| 09:57.25 | s-andy | yes |
| 09:57.49 | benJIman | you can use wmctl |
| 09:58.55 | s-andy | wmctrl you mean? |
| 09:59.00 | benJIman | yes |
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| 10:01.02 | s-andy | i'll try... |
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| 10:07.11 | s-andy | benJIman: yes, wmctrl is closest! thanx. however it does not show which one is current... :( |
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| 10:17.02 | rehn | Hi. Has File Size View in Konqueror been disabled over sftp and fish? Is there a way to get that to work? It used to work in the past... |
| 10:17.17 | s-andy | now i can get very detailed info on each window using xwininfo -id <id>, but not whether it has focus... :( |
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| 10:32.28 | swan | hi i cannot find kerry search tool po file anywhere, can anyone help me please? what is the path to it in the svn? |
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| 10:35.43 | swan | hello |
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| 10:41.37 | knoppix_ | good morning |
| 10:41.40 | swan | anybody knows where are kerry source files? |
| 10:42.47 | PhilRod | what's kerry? |
| 10:43.05 | swan | PhilRod, kerry, kde's frontend for beagle |
| 10:45.52 | PhilRod | swan: hm, "kerry kde beagle" turns up nothing on google. Are you sure that's the name? |
| 10:46.24 | swan | PhilRod, well i am, it is included in my kde :) |
| 10:46.47 | benJIman|tov | PhilRod: yes |
| 10:46.57 | benJIman|tov | PhilRod: it's in suse 10.1, I think perhaps beineri wrote it |
| 10:48.07 | benJIman|tov | PhilRod: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=565&slide=8 |
| 10:48.12 | PhilRod | ok, bizarre that google seems to have nothing |
| 10:50.17 | swan | benJIman, do you have an idea where are the sources a nd po files? |
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| 10:51.21 | benJIman|tov | sources for what? |
| 10:51.57 | benJIman|tov | look at the factory repository if you mean kerry |
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| 10:52.26 | swan | benJIman, factory? |
| 10:53.11 | benJIman|tov | bleeding edge repository, the alphas/betas are snapshots of it |
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| 10:53.20 | benJIman|tov | http://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/kerry-0.04-2.src.rpm |
| 10:53.25 | benJIman|tov | src rpm for kerry |
| 10:54.21 | swan | benJIman, well you mean that it is not in the main kde repository? |
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| 10:55.25 | benJIman|tov | swan: you mean kde's svn? |
| 10:55.29 | benJIman|tov | I don't know |
| 10:55.59 | swan | benJIman, yes |
| 10:56.13 | swan | benJIman, i want to translate po files |
| 10:56.18 | swan | cannot find them |
| 10:56.33 | benJIman|tov | I can't find it, they're probably in the src rpm |
| 10:57.27 | swan | :(( |
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| 10:57.43 | benJIman|tov | swan: just extract the src rpm |
| 10:58.02 | s-andy | if it is interesting to someone - current window can be determined by: xdpyinfo | grep -i '^focus' |
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| 10:58.15 | dpy | hi guys |
| 10:58.22 | swan | benJIman, but i want to translate it in the main kde svn, for all distros etc |
| 10:58.29 | dpy | does anyone here know how to save the window layout in Kate ? |
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| 10:59.06 | dpy | e.g. I like to have no side bar (only bottom and topbar) |
| 10:59.23 | dpy | I can change it, but as soon as I quit and restart kate I get my sidebar back |
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| 11:04.31 | PhilRod | lippel_: if you can wait a while, I can compile kdeaddons and test for you |
| 11:04.42 | lippel_ | PhilRod: that'd be great |
| 11:05.36 | lippel_ | i need to know if the konqueror feed icon looks everywhere like it does here: http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~f_osterf/temp/akr-konqicon-bug.png |
| 11:06.07 | lippel_ | i have this after i upgraded my whole kde installation |
| 11:06.47 | PhilRod | oh, that was reported on -devel or -core-devel about a week or two ago |
| 11:06.48 | lippel_ | the icon plugin code wasn't modified |
| 11:06.51 | PhilRod | probably nearer two |
| 11:06.53 | StarScream | hi guys, trying to connect to google talk with KDE 3.5 and kopete, i've added the qca-tls package (which worked before) but now i still get the |
| 11:06.56 | StarScream | There was a Transport Layer Security (TLS) error: Failed to establish a secure connection. error |
| 11:07.02 | StarScream | i've tried removing the package |
| 11:07.05 | StarScream | and compiling my own |
| 11:07.06 | PhilRod | the same happens with the 'lock' icon for secure connections |
| 11:07.09 | StarScream | to the same effect |
| 11:07.23 | PhilRod | StarScream: #kopete might know |
| 11:07.32 | StarScream | ah thanks PhilRod |
| 11:08.20 | lippel_ | PhilRod: hmm, evil. as the actual button area is shrinked to a few pixels (the dotted area), it's hardly usable |
| 11:09.36 | PhilRod | lippel_: did you find the mail? |
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| 11:09.44 | lippel_ | PhilRod: no, not yet |
| 11:10.19 | lippel_ | PhilRod: ah, "small regression in the 3.5 branch" |
| 11:10.25 | lippel_ | in k-c-d |
| 11:11.19 | PhilRod | yeah, thats the one |
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| 11:14.51 | Belegdol | hiu |
| 11:15.09 | Belegdol | is there something like gesklets equivalent for kde? |
| 11:15.15 | Belegdol | *gdesklets? |
| 11:15.31 | PhilRod | superkaramba? |
| 11:15.40 | dpy | what's the name of the default font in kate ? it's perfect |
| 11:16.21 | Belegdol | I'll take a look |
| 11:16.32 | Belegdol | is there a module for lm_sensors? |
| 11:17.07 | Triffid_Hunter | Belegdol: lm_sensors uses the i2c modules |
| 11:17.16 | Triffid_Hunter | of which there are many |
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| 11:17.24 | Triffid_Hunter | but only a couple will apply to your system |
| 11:17.57 | rehn | Does anyone know about "File Size View" in Konqueror over sftp and fish? It seems not to be working any longer. |
| 11:19.06 | Belegdol | i have added supermonitor to desktop, and nothing happened |
| 11:19.12 | Belegdol | do I have to re-login? |
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| 11:35.01 | Sinister | in kmail i cant read the email its just an icon anyone know what setting that is its sorta anoying |
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| 11:47.09 | csalad | hy |
| 11:47.18 | csalad | hy i use uhu-linux(deb. pack.). i want upgrade my kde. wich type of kde must i download? |
| 11:47.42 | PhilRod | ask in #yourdistro |
| 11:48.04 | csalad | .... |
| 11:48.07 | csalad | ok |
| 11:48.49 | csalad | no... |
| 11:48.57 | csalad | nothing... |
| 11:49.37 | csalad | that is not channel.... |
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| 11:50.19 | csalad | and the #debian send me here... |
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| 11:51.10 | PhilRod | well, if they don't know how to upgrade packages on debian, no one does :-) |
| 11:51.30 | csalad | "thx" |
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| 11:51.52 | csalad | ops no no i have not debian. |
| 11:51.58 | csalad | i use uhu!! |
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| 11:52.51 | ananth126 | well, you can always compile from the sources... |
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| 11:56.46 | Sinister | anyone know why i cant read my email in kmail ? |
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| 11:57.36 | PhilRod | Sinister: explain the problem fully |
| 11:58.10 | Sinister | i just get an icon where my email should be |
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| 11:58.19 | a_danutz | does anyone know wich dc++ is good for kubunut 5.04 kde 3.4? |
| 11:58.49 | PhilRod | Sinister: where? in the message list or in the preview pane? for one email or for all? are you using pop or imap? |
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| 11:59.59 | Sinister | nevermind im sorry the description was covering it up i must be retarded iv been trying to fix it for 3 weeks |
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| 12:02.28 | tictric | hi, I wanted to discuss kontact and especially kaddressbook |
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| 12:02.55 | tictric | shouldn't those apps work with backupfiles like most decent editors do? |
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| 12:03.30 | tictric | I was just having a look at kaddressbook and imported my addresses from organizer as vcf file |
| 12:04.11 | tictric | I entered some data that I wasn't exactly happy with and hit undo twice |
| 12:04.46 | tictric | now all about 800 contacts from that file are simply gone. Lost |
| 12:05.23 | tictric | I certainly did something wrong but still _that_ shouldn't happen |
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| 12:05.40 | tictric | I'm using kde3.5 on ubuntu amd64 |
| 12:05.58 | PhilRod | does ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc contain any files like std_vcf ? |
| 12:06.01 | PhilRod | those are backups |
| 12:06.02 | tictric | s/ubuntu/kubuntu/ |
| 12:06.38 | tictric | apt: you got it :-) didn't like my _k_ at first |
| 12:07.02 | tictric | PhilRod: ah I bet |
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| 12:08.59 | tictric | PhilRod: yes there are some std.vcf in it but the last is from 2006-01-22. Not from today |
| 12:09.54 | PhilRod | rename the latest one of those to std.vcf |
| 12:09.58 | tictric | PhilRod: on the other hand i was using a file from an usb-stick and that doesn't seem to get backed up |
| 12:10.22 | PhilRod | I'd back up the whole directory to somewhere that kontact can't get it too, just in case |
| 12:10.45 | PhilRod | oh, you weren't using the default addressbook? I have no idea what it does in that case |
| 12:10.50 | tictric | PhilRod: the one file that I messed up today didn't get backed up |
| 12:11.34 | tictric | PhilRod: I actually'd like to carry that addressbook around with me without the need to synchronize all the time |
| 12:11.47 | tictric | that's troublesome |
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| 12:12.27 | tictric | I even kicked the default addressbook completely |
| 12:12.48 | tictric | oh, lunch's ready :-) |
| 12:12.49 | tictric | brb |
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| 12:13.40 | mzawada | bnbn |
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| 12:30.06 | _root | hi |
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| 12:40.39 | _jchaoul | what order is kde installed in, kdebase ---- |
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| 12:42.29 | _jchaoul | Anyone? |
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| 12:43.46 | Worf | i've seen there exists a tag for 3.5.1 now... anyone knows when there will be tarballs available? |
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| 12:47.46 | StevenR | Worf: check the release schedule? |
| 12:48.03 | eyolf | is there a way to make certain apps always open on a particular desktop? |
| 12:48.30 | StevenR | eyolf: window-specific settings in kcontrol should probably do that |
| 12:50.24 | eyolf | thanks - I'll check that out |
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| 12:51.46 | Worf | StevenR: hmm - the release schedule only says that it's been planned to tag 3.5 branch for 2.5.1 release on 20th, not when to finally release source tarballs or binaries.. but i guess it must be any day... |
| 12:52.07 | StevenR | Worf: RealSoonNow(tm) :D |
| 12:52.31 | Worf | StevenR: you name it :) |
| 12:52.48 | PhilRod | eyolf: or kstart --todesktop |
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| 12:56.45 | eyolf | philrod: would that be in the commandline entry in the menu? |
| 12:56.53 | akatek | siema |
| 12:57.04 | eyolf | anyway, the window-specific settings works perfectly, it seems. Thanks |
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| 13:00.31 | PhilRod | eyolf: ok, window-specific settings would be the best way to do it. If you want some info on kstart, see the user guide: |
| 13:00.32 | PhilRod | ~ug |
| 13:00.36 | apt | ug is, like, http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/ |
| 13:00.41 | PhilRod | section "advanced window management" |
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| 13:37.32 | Raphoun | Is there a bug for config chmod with kde 3.5.0? |
| 13:38.21 | PhilRod | maybe. Search bugs.kde.org |
| 13:39.35 | PhilRod | or describe your problem and see if someone here can reproduce it |
| 13:40.34 | Raphoun | I talk about this with man who make the package I use |
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| 13:42.14 | tictric | settings for multiple monitors. Anybody knows somethin about full screen display? |
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| 13:43.18 | tictric | hitting F11 always streches a window over both screens where I want that to happen only to one of them |
| 13:43.58 | tictric | or is that rather a question to the xserver or card driver? |
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| 13:45.46 | sam^ | moin |
| 13:46.16 | PhilRod | moin sam^ |
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| 14:25.58 | arrinmurr | is there a way to easily search the browsing history in konqueror? |
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| 14:27.13 | arrinmurr | i mean, something like the history sidebar in firefox |
| 14:28.01 | PhilRod | press F9 |
| 14:29.42 | arrinmurr | PhilRod: ah, great. thank you |
| 14:30.19 | PhilRod | np |
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| 14:50.56 | ich | hallo |
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| 14:51.18 | ich | evtl kann mir hier ja jemand helfen... |
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| 14:51.31 | PhilRod | #kde.de |
| 14:51.46 | ich | hab nen problem mien 5.1 surrounsystem zum laufen zu bekommen... |
| 14:52.04 | annma | ich: please go to #kde.de, we only speak english here |
| 14:52.12 | tictric | does kaddressbook have a way to duplicate addresses if I get a new contact with the same postal address say? |
| 14:52.12 | ich | ok sorry |
| 14:52.59 | tictric | or a way to group several contacts together to a particular postal address? a plugin? |
| 14:54.32 | Marrs | well, some of us speak german but I have no experience with surround systems... |
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| 14:59.20 | elfolnx | hello, little question about konsole: [kde 3.4.3] i can't figure out how to make konsole remember my charset settings... even if i change it and click on "save as default" |
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| 15:01.26 | elfolnx | (i fire up konsole as "konsole --type screen" |
| 15:03.05 | PhilRod | probably the charset isn't saved in the 'screen' file type file |
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| 15:04.20 | PhilRod | s/file type/session type/ |
| 15:04.22 | elfolnx | probably... the question is: there is a menu to do so or i have to hack the configuration files? |
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| 15:04.51 | PhilRod | settings -> save session profile |
| 15:04.53 | PhilRod | perhaps |
| 15:05.01 | elfolnx | uhm... i give it a try |
| 15:05.15 | elfolnx | (found the english documentation, looks better than the french one) |
| 15:05.58 | PhilRod | yes, translation teams often have trouble keeping documentation translations up to date, since the teams are very small |
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| 15:06.50 | cbr | does konsole support composited transparency in svn? |
| 15:06.58 | elfolnx | PhilRod: the trick is: "change the name of "Linux Console" to a free one, save it. It will the default session, so no more konsole --type <session name>" |
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| 15:07.22 | elfolnx | not very intuitive, a "Make default session" button would be better :) |
| 15:07.28 | elfolnx | so let's try |
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| 15:12.37 | elfolnx | not really.... |
| 15:13.08 | elfolnx | should do "Save this profile as..." then fire up konsole with 'konsole --profile "profile name"' |
| 15:13.14 | elfolnx | it works, i'm happy |
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| 15:38.00 | casal | qualcuno parla it |
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| 15:39.58 | annma | casal: only english here |
| 15:40.05 | annma | casal: only english here |
| 15:40.24 | casal | ok |
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| 15:45.54 | dune | How can I apply a theme to kaffeine to make it look like xine? Thanks |
| 15:46.42 | annma | hmmm |
| 15:46.45 | mark_alec | xine doesn't have a theme, do you mean gxine? |
| 15:46.54 | annma | why don't you use xine itself then? |
| 15:47.12 | annma | kaffeine is a kde frotend to xine |
| 15:47.28 | annma | if you don't like kde look i guess you should use only xineui |
| 15:47.28 | dune | gxine? I'll look but I mean like the graphic look to it instead of standard window |
| 15:48.54 | dune | ok xineui |
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| 15:51.02 | dune | kaffeine allot better though unless xine got better. I am suprised they dont have a theme chooser like I thought mplayer did. Thanks |
| 15:52.17 | SMiLeaf | dune: kaffeine uses xine... so if kaffeine is better than xine it's only better in that it's interface is better. |
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| 15:53.15 | annma | SMiLeaf: exactly what I wanted to say |
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| 15:54.36 | Kenjiro | good afternoon |
| 15:54.40 | annma | hi! |
| 15:54.47 | SMiLeaf | annma: good morning! |
| 15:54.54 | annma | hi SMiLeaf :) |
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| 15:55.47 | dune | SMiLeaf, I meant the xine ui of course :) |
| 15:56.56 | Kenjiro | Has anyone had problems with KMail (like crashing when you are typing an address on the 'To:' field) on KDE 3.5? (by the way, I am running KDE 3.5 on a Slackware 10.2) |
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| 15:57.39 | annma | Kenjiro: no |
| 15:57.54 | annma | what is the crash back trace? in a paste bin please |
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| 15:58.00 | Kenjiro | I was running kdepim-3.5 from that set of packages on KDE site (for slackware 10.2). But then... that kdepim is not supporting decryption of messages |
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| 15:58.15 | androide | hello... is first time i use kde on my computer [already installed some time ago] |
| 15:58.19 | Kenjiro | annma: there is no crash backtrace |
| 15:58.22 | _ich | bin zudoof gentoo zumlaufen zukriegen, habe probleme mit der grub.conf und dem framebuffer |
| 15:58.24 | androide | i have a little issue that i can't fix |
| 15:58.28 | Kenjiro | kmail just disappears ;( |
| 15:58.34 | annma | _ich: english please |
| 15:58.34 | androide | there is a bar on the right |
| 15:58.47 | annma | Kenjiro: start kmail from konsole |
| 15:58.49 | androide | do you know wich program is so i can kill it? |
| 15:58.59 | Kenjiro | well, that should do ;) |
| 15:59.00 | androide | the bar... is in the taskbar color without anything |
| 15:59.23 | androide | taskbar's color |
| 16:00.13 | Kenjiro | hold on, I will reinstall my version of kdepim and "make it crash" *grin* |
| 16:00.22 | Kenjiro | before anything else... |
| 16:01.15 | Kenjiro | as I said before, the kmail from those packages on KDE site is not decrypting messages (gpg). So I decided to compile my own kdepim to be sure it would support gpg properly. After that Kmail began to crash |
| 16:01.56 | Kenjiro | the options/parameters I used to run 'configure' were: ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde --with-gpg --with-gpgme --with-gpgsm --with-xinerama |
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| 16:02.00 | Kenjiro | did I miss anything? |
| 16:02.24 | annma | no, seems OK |
| 16:02.35 | annma | I just do ./configure myself, my KDEDIR is set |
| 16:02.42 | Kenjiro | (I have gpg-1.9.20 installed and all the libs required for that to work, plus pinentry-0.7.w2 |
| 16:02.46 | Kenjiro | *0.7.2 |
| 16:02.49 | annma | it picks gpg per default I think |
| 16:03.09 | Kenjiro | well... let me reinstall the "bugged" kdepim and then I will let you know what happens |
| 16:03.37 | annma | but the current one works? |
| 16:03.47 | annma | Kenjiro: I don't understand very well |
| 16:03.48 | Kenjiro | it works... but the decryption doesnt |
| 16:04.01 | annma | if the bugged one is from slackware, ask in #slackware |
| 16:04.13 | annma | if the current one is from kde source, let's see |
| 16:04.18 | Kenjiro | no, it's not from slackware, otherwise I would be there for sure hehehe |
| 16:04.23 | Kenjiro | I got the packages from KDE site |
| 16:04.29 | annma | current one? |
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| 16:04.41 | Kenjiro | let's set this *grin*: |
| 16:04.42 | bejoy | hello |
| 16:04.59 | Kenjiro | current => from kde site (packages). Working (no crashes) but the decryption doesn't work |
| 16:05.28 | Kenjiro | new => I compiled kdepim-3.5 from source to try and get the decryptiong working, but then kmail crashes when composing a message |
| 16:05.30 | bejoy | is it possible to run script when locking out screen? |
| 16:05.35 | Kenjiro | consufion undone? :) |
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| 16:07.57 | Kenjiro | annma: first, please look at this -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/tY09TG53.html |
| 16:08.19 | Kenjiro | I am running the 'current' version and tried to read an encrypted message |
| 16:08.31 | bejoy | kendrick, is it possible to run script when locking out screen? |
| 16:08.53 | Kenjiro | as I said, gnupg-1.9.20 and gpgme are installed |
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| 16:09.20 | annma | Kenjiro: first look in config.log to see if kmail was correctly compiled with gpg support |
| 16:09.33 | Kenjiro | ok |
| 16:09.40 | doktoreas | guys, can i sort the message of a maling list like newsgroup ones? |
| 16:09.47 | doktoreas | with follow up? |
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| 16:09.58 | doktoreas | i am using kmail and i got a folder for the ML |
| 16:10.17 | PhilRod | bejoy: if you lock the screen with a keyboard shortcuts, you can just point that keyboard shortcut to a script which does what you want, then locks the screen with dcop |
| 16:10.27 | PhilRod | doktoreas: sure: folder -> thread messages |
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| 16:10.55 | doktoreas | PhilRod: thx!!! |
| 16:11.29 | Kenjiro | annma: sorry, I can't check the 'config.log', since right now I am running the kdepim wich I got from KDE site (the slackware packages available there) |
| 16:11.40 | bejoy | PhilRod, thanks |
| 16:11.46 | annma | i thought you compled it, Kenjiro |
| 16:12.00 | Kenjiro | the 'new' version was compiled by me. |
| 16:12.01 | annma | anyway I have to go unfortunately |
| 16:12.04 | Kenjiro | ok |
| 16:12.06 | Kenjiro | thanks |
| 16:12.15 | annma | bye |
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| 16:13.20 | bejoy | PhilRod, how to attach script with keyboard shortcut? |
| 16:14.50 | bejoy | PhilRod, i mean when i press lock the screen button i want one script to run. |
| 16:14.54 | miki | annma: hello :) |
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| 16:16.00 | PhilRod | bejoy: use khotkeys (control center -> regaionl & a11y -> input actions |
| 16:16.01 | PhilRod | ( |
| 16:16.03 | PhilRod | )) |
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| 16:18.58 | miki | during first installation of kde, i set my refresh rate to default(ones wich were shown, max 75Hz) but my monitor can support higher ones. also, i instaled basic ATI driver for my vid card and in both cases im not sure what to do. should i try to get better driver for my vid card, or maybe i should try to find a way to increase refresh rate? |
| 16:20.40 | PhilRod | miki: ask in #yourdistro or #xorg about how to find appropriate X modelines |
| 16:20.57 | miki | fine Phil |
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| 16:27.48 | doktoreas | guys anyone wanna try replicate a bug i am encountering with konqueror? |
| 16:28.12 | doktoreas | it's 3 times of 3 |
| 16:28.34 | PhilRod | go on |
| 16:29.05 | doktoreas | go to www.torrentspy.com |
| 16:29.11 | doktoreas | search dream theater |
| 16:29.16 | doktoreas | select any resoult |
| 16:29.26 | doktoreas | and then press back on the browser |
| 16:29.35 | doktoreas | for me it crashed 3 of 3 |
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| 16:30.02 | doktoreas | 4 of 4 |
| 16:30.03 | doktoreas | lol |
| 16:30.30 | eidolon | didn't crash for me. |
| 16:30.34 | eidolon | KDE 3.5, Kubuntu. |
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| 16:30.53 | PhilRod | no crash here - 3.5 branch on freebsd |
| 16:30.58 | PhilRod | doktoreas: do you get a backtrace? |
| 16:30.58 | doktoreas | kde 3.5 on gentoo |
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| 16:31.32 | doktoreas | need to install gdb |
| 16:31.38 | doktoreas | 5 of 5 |
| 16:31.50 | PhilRod | you'll only get a backtrace if you installed with debug enabled |
| 16:31.54 | PhilRod | s/installed/compiled/ |
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| 16:32.08 | yoruichi | confirmed, crashed here!!! 3.5 on gentoo amd64 |
| 16:32.54 | PhilRod | yoruichi: do /you/ get a backtrace? |
| 16:33.16 | yoruichi | nope, i dont have debug enabled |
| 16:33.53 | PhilRod | ok |
| 16:34.58 | Kenjiro | my kmail doesn't pop a backtrace windows when it blows *grin* |
| 16:35.10 | Kenjiro | and yes, it was compiled with debug enabled |
| 16:35.23 | Kenjiro | (but I can be saying some bullshit *grin*) |
| 16:35.28 | PhilRod | doktoreas: random thoughts: you could try disabling flash, javascript and possibly any media players that are trying to embed, as a diagnostic |
| 16:36.50 | doktoreas | PhilRod: thx for all |
| 16:36.58 | doktoreas | we are testing on #gentoo-kde |
| 16:37.09 | yoruichi | PhilRod: that did it! |
| 16:37.19 | yoruichi | disabling java/javascript |
| 16:37.36 | PhilRod | ok, let me enable it and get a backtrace :-) |
| 16:38.29 | PhilRod | oh wait, I don't have java installed |
| 16:38.31 | x-un-i | doktoreas: didnt crash for me kde 3.5 debian SID |
| 16:38.42 | doktoreas | gentoo problem |
| 16:39.01 | HuntsMan | doktoreas: probably, doesn't crash here either, ArchLinux and 3.5 |
| 16:39.14 | yoruichi | doktoreas: what version you got? and arch? |
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| 16:39.56 | doktoreas | 3.5.0-r1 x86 |
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| 16:41.07 | psibyrion | HI |
| 16:41.22 | psibyrion | i have no Plugins tab in my configure konqueror |
| 16:41.27 | psibyrion | am i crazy? |
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| 16:42.22 | PhilRod | maybe: you're running gentoo and didn't compile the appropriate bit (motif support or somesuch) |
| 16:42.31 | PhilRod | </randomguess> |
| 16:43.05 | doktoreas | psibyrion: mean new tab button? |
| 16:43.27 | psibyrion | doktoreas: its not there |
| 16:43.36 | tty56 | yay maps.google.com now works with konqueror! |
| 16:43.50 | PhilRod | doktoreas: he means settings->configure konqueror->plugins |
| 16:43.57 | doktoreas | k |
| 16:43.59 | doktoreas | :) |
| 16:44.30 | psibyrion | yeah |
| 16:44.41 | psibyrion | [11:41] <psibyrion> i have no Plugins tab in my configure konqueror |
| 16:45.06 | PhilRod | psibyrion: so, was I right in my random guess? |
| 16:45.26 | psibyrion | motif is not a USE flag for konq |
| 16:45.51 | PhilRod | well, there's some setting you need. I have no idea what gentoo calls it. Ask in #gentoo-kde |
| 16:46.12 | PhilRod | sounds like it's one of the less useless distro channels today :-) |
| 16:46.36 | yoruichi | PhilRod: emerge konq-plugins |
| 16:46.56 | PhilRod | yoruichi: tell that to psibyrion :-) |
| 16:46.58 | yoruichi | ooops, psibyrion ;) |
| 16:47.07 | yoruichi | sorry |
| 16:47.39 | psibyrion | LOl |
| 16:47.47 | psibyrion | that easy thanks |
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| 16:48.02 | Kenjiro | who's up to try and help me to solve this kmail problem? |
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| 16:48.18 | Kenjiro | (kmail crashes when I try to compose a message) |
| 16:48.28 | marccollin | hi |
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| 16:48.31 | doktoreas | hi |
| 16:48.32 | Kenjiro | running KDE 3.5 on slackware 10.5 (athlon xp 2000 processor) |
| 16:48.35 | marccollin | somebody use kmid? |
| 16:48.41 | doktoreas | Kenjiro: serius proble |
| 16:49.01 | Kenjiro | I already have the backtrace on a paste bin |
| 16:49.07 | Kenjiro | doktoreas: yep, very serious hehehe |
| 16:49.10 | PhilRod | Kenjiro: try a new user. I suspect you made an error in building kdepim, if you're using packages of the rest, and self-compiled kdepim |
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| 16:49.19 | PhilRod | Kenjiro: where's the bt? |
| 16:49.35 | Kenjiro | http://rafb.net/paste/results/UeFnNs87.html |
| 16:50.06 | Kenjiro | and kdepim was compiled with this: ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde --with-gpg --with-gpgme --with-xinerama |
| 16:50.23 | Kenjiro | and --with-gpgms |
| 16:50.23 | Kenjiro | (sorry) |
| 16:50.39 | Kenjiro | then "make && make install" |
| 16:50.58 | Kenjiro | I used the same installation at home... and it crashed too |
| 16:51.18 | PhilRod | try new user |
| 16:51.41 | Kenjiro | wont't hurt trying ;) |
| 16:52.02 | PhilRod | and in fact it's a very useful diagnostic |
| 16:52.21 | Kenjiro | but anyway.... even after compiling that way... I can't read encrypted mail :( |
| 16:52.29 | Kenjiro | (of course I have the keys *LOL*) |
| 16:53.09 | marccollin | when i right click on a mid file i get: init_libkmidpart function. konqueror: WARNING: There was an error loading the |
| 16:53.10 | marccollin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.25 | Kenjiro | brb, will try the "new user" thing |
| 16:53.36 | marccollin | and if i open kmid to listen a kmid file, no sound.... but i see the lyric who move... |
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| 16:56.35 | SpooForBrains | Quick question ... how do I put "Delete item" back into my konqueror right-click context menu. Move to trash irritates me |
| 16:56.46 | SpooForBrains | KDE 3.5 |
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| 16:57.54 | PhilRod | check the faq, I think it might be ther |
| 16:57.56 | PhilRod | there |
| 16:58.16 | whirm | SpooForBrains: preferences->configure conqueror->behaviour->look at the lower half |
| 16:58.53 | SpooForBrains | Brilliant, thanks |
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| 17:04.02 | whirm | np |
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| 17:04.51 | psibyrion | hrm |
| 17:06.36 | psibyrion | still no plugins tab |
| 17:07.06 | PhilRod | psibyrion: best place to ask is #gentoo-kde |
| 17:08.13 | psibyrion | ok i will but i dont thiknits a gentoo issue |
| 17:08.21 | psibyrion | think its* |
| 17:10.19 | psibyrion | PhilRod: i do not have motif support |
| 17:11.46 | PhilRod | plugins work in konq, so if they don't on your system, it's a distro issue :-) |
| 17:12.02 | PhilRod | with fairly high probability, at least |
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| 17:23.42 | Kenjiro | looks like it works hehehe |
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| 17:24.18 | bryndza | Hi I have Debian - Etch and KDE 3.5 via konstruct, but i can`t finish the compile proces, when compiling konstruct/kde/kdepim/work/kdepim-3.5.0/kmail after some harmfull warning the proces hang ups, consumet 100% user CPU but 0% system, a stay in this for infinity, is this a bug ? |
| 17:24.33 | PhilRod | sounds like a bug in gcc |
| 17:25.06 | Kenjiro | echo lalau |
| 17:27.01 | bryndza | i have gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5) |
| 17:28.29 | visik7 | how can I got thread view in kmail? |
| 17:28.29 | PhilRod | folder -> thread messages |
| 17:28.30 | bryndza | is there a main Makefile for KDE so i can change the gcc version to older ? say 3.4 ? |
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| 17:28.42 | Kenjiro | PhilRod: were you helping me with that KMAIL problem? |
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| 17:29.36 | visik7 | and is there a way to store pass phrase until I close kmail ? |
| 17:30.04 | Kenjiro | visik7: good question |
| 17:30.21 | visik7 | or for some time |
| 17:30.23 | PhilRod | use gpg-agent and a passphrase-asking thingy |
| 17:30.58 | PhilRod | there might be a tutorial on freebsd.kde.org. If not, try kmail.kde.org |
| 17:31.09 | Kenjiro | well... I tried kmail (from the just compiled kdepim) with another user and it worked fine. I could even read encrypted mail ;) |
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| 17:31.29 | Kenjiro | so... now I have to find out what is the problem with my regular user :( |
| 17:32.09 | Kenjiro | perhaps something related to kmail configuration? ;) |
| 17:32.24 | PhilRod | it looked related to the address book, from the backtrace. So rename ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc and try again |
| 17:32.37 | PhilRod | if it works, then you can find a way to restore your addressbook |
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| 17:33.02 | Kenjiro | ok, will try that, thanks |
| 17:33.22 | bryndza | hm... a imade apt-get update && upgrade and now the process with kmail continues, only made som screens of some strange warning about incomatible QT library for some plugin |
| 17:33.44 | PhilRod | bryndza: paste the output to a pasteboard |
| 17:34.15 | Kenjiro | hmmmm no |
| 17:34.21 | Kenjiro | the problem is not on my address book |
| 17:34.33 | Kenjiro | i moved it to another place, tried to compose... and kmail exploded again hehehe |
| 17:34.47 | Kenjiro | but thanks for the tip, will try to find the problem |
| 17:34.52 | PhilRod | rename ~/.kde/share/config/kmail |
| 17:34.57 | PhilRod | kmailrc, rather |
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| 17:35.31 | bryndza | PhilRod i don`t have it on the screen, too much screens ago :) |
| 17:35.52 | PhilRod | run make again then |
| 17:36.07 | Kenjiro | LOL |
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| 17:37.14 | bryndza | PhilRod it is passed, i don`t want to make make clean and what somehours to catch the warning, i home now is everythong ok |
| 17:37.48 | _ilan | hi 2 all |
| 17:37.49 | PhilRod | oh, if it worked, there's no need to do it again. I misunderstood you |
| 17:37.52 | PhilRod | hi _ilan |
| 17:39.10 | _ilan | anyone can help me install the vlc player |
| 17:39.59 | _ilan | i already downloded it & i can see the folder yet i cannot use it |
| 17:40.10 | _ilan | any help guys ] |
| 17:40.18 | dune | Where is the Firefox plugins folder located? |
| 17:40.24 | bryndza | _ilan run: vlc |
| 17:40.41 | PhilRod | _ilan: the best place to ask is #yourdistro |
| 17:40.47 | PhilRod | dune: #firefox |
| 17:42.19 | _ilan | how do i get there i am new to linux ? |
| 17:42.39 | _ilan | i am using mandariva 2006 |
| 17:42.40 | PhilRod | type "/join #thenameofyourdistro" |
| 17:42.46 | PhilRod | without the quotes |
| 17:42.47 | _ilan | with KDE 3.4 |
| 17:43.34 | Kenjiro | PhilRod: that totally solved the problem |
| 17:43.39 | Kenjiro | REALLY REALLY THANKS |
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| 17:44.50 | thrice` | has there been a set date for 3.5.1 release? |
| 17:45.05 | PhilRod | Kenjiro: you're welcome :-) |
| 17:45.20 | PhilRod | thrice`: RSN, but I don't think there's a set date yet |
| 17:45.29 | PhilRod | I think it's in the stage of waiting for packagers |
| 17:45.48 | thrice` | ah; I know it's been tagged |
| 17:46.01 | thrice` | curious as to how much longer the release takes |
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| 18:04.38 | gralves | Hi, I did a new kde install and I'd like to recover some info from my kde wallet on another hd. How can I do that? |
| 18:08.19 | ponto | gralves: open your wallet with the current installation |
| 18:08.50 | gralves | ponto: my old wallet or the nwe one? |
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| 18:09.23 | ponto | gralves: the old one. I guess in the new one the infos are missing |
| 18:10.05 | gralves | ponto: :) And how do I open it? do I need to copy the kdewallet.kwl to the new install? |
| 18:10.09 | Sinister | is there a list of anti virus and spam programs you can use with kmail iv looked i found some for spam but no list for virus |
| 18:10.44 | ponto | gralves: open your new wallet. and then merge the old wallet into it |
| 18:11.10 | gralves | ponto: Thanks! |
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| 18:27.28 | KanRINiN | Hey. I need to resize my mounted reiser partition in suse to make room for UT2004 in NTFS. Anyway to do this? |
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| 18:29.33 | sredna | KanRINiN: There used to be something named qparted |
| 18:29.36 | sredna | Iirc |
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| 18:36.18 | nuxil | where can i find out more about kde4?.. and is it avaleble to try out? |
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| 18:39.48 | sredna | ~kde4 |
| 18:39.50 | apt | KDE 4 is currently in an early development stage, and there's no release schedule yet. You can find more info at http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html . Ask how you can get involved! |
| 18:40.59 | nuxil | i wanna try out this, http://freqmod.dyndns.org/qklouds/index.html thats why i am asking |
| 18:41.59 | nuxil | i just installed qt 4.1 |
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| 18:43.29 | nuxil | Qlouds doent seem to work on 3.5 |
| 18:44.49 | nuxil | if anyone of you got that Qlouds running in kde.3.5 pls tell me how you did it. |
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| 18:45.41 | emes | how can I get unicode to display in konqueror? |
| 18:45.51 | emes | specifically hebrew |
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| 18:46.37 | fredrikh | emes: select the correct encoding for the webpage |
| 18:46.55 | fredrikh | which you do in view->setEncoding->Manual->... |
| 18:47.40 | emes | fredrikh: i'm browsing files, not a webpage |
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| 18:48.58 | fredrikh | then it depends no which editor konqueror is embedding... if you look through the menus there should be an encoding option somewhere |
| 18:49.30 | fredrikh | or do you mean the file names? |
| 18:49.55 | emes | fredrikh: yeah, the file names |
| 18:50.59 | fredrikh | i think that actually depends no which options were used when mounting the file system |
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| 18:58.41 | emes | fredrikh: this is on a mounted hfsplus, i can't find any option to set the encoding to utf8, and given that the utf8 NLS codepage is selected by the hfsplus kernel option, i think utf8 is the default |
| 18:59.51 | nuxil | damn.. isnt there a way to get textures in the widgets |
| 18:59.58 | nuxil | in kde 3.5 |
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| 19:02.57 | nuxil | doen anyone know? is it posseble to get textures in the widgets? |
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| 19:03.30 | PhilRod | emes: check that $LANG is set correctly. There's also a KDE_UTF8_FILENAMES environment variable. See: |
| 19:03.32 | PhilRod | ~envar |
| 19:03.35 | PhilRod | ~envars |
| 19:03.37 | apt | well, envars is http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Environment+Variables |
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| 19:07.35 | mariux | i accidently made klaptop not start on startup |
| 19:07.48 | mariux | how do i revert that? |
| 19:07.54 | PhilRod | ~autostart |
| 19:07.55 | apt | well, autostart is http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html question 10.10 |
| 19:08.12 | decOding | I hate Kopete for not having autoreconnect options |
| 19:08.30 | nuxil | so get amsn |
| 19:08.33 | mariux | Why cant i drag something from the "load on demand services" to the "startup services" list in kcontrol->kde comp.->service manager? |
| 19:08.48 | nuxil | ~texture in widgets |
| 19:08.49 | nuxil | :P |
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| 19:10.02 | mariux | that didnt answer my question PhilRod |
| 19:10.14 | mariux | if it was in the startupservices list |
| 19:10.16 | mariux | and not its not |
| 19:10.23 | mariux | its no way of getting it back in there? |
| 19:10.27 | decOding | nuxil: If I want gay IM I'd use Gaim |
| 19:10.44 | emes | PhilRod: setting $LANG fixed it, thanks |
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| 19:11.06 | nuxil | so use it,, ams it the best msn clone out there for linux.. |
| 19:11.19 | nuxil | *ams/amsn |
| 19:11.51 | mariux | didnt kde have grub/lilo-integration so that you can choose which OS to boot when you hit the reboot-button? |
| 19:14.22 | ponto | mariux: here i can choose. but i use the susse 3.5 packages |
| 19:14.55 | nuxil | can i use gnome themes for kde widgets? |
| 19:16.07 | nuxil | let me refere,, can i use gnome themes in kde? not only in gtk apps that im running in kde but also for kde apps |
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| 19:18.13 | vext01 | has anyone noticed that random play does not reseed in juk? |
| 19:18.37 | nuxil | who cares about juk when we got amarok |
| 19:18.44 | nuxil | ;P |
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| 19:18.57 | vext01 | amarok seems incredibly buggy in comparison |
| 19:19.03 | nuxil | pff |
| 19:19.05 | nuxil | bull |
| 19:19.06 | Belegdol | hi |
| 19:19.16 | Belegdol | i need some help with superkaramba |
| 19:19.28 | Belegdol | i have started it, dled supermonitor |
| 19:19.37 | vext01 | so kde isnt bothered about the status of juk? |
| 19:19.45 | Belegdol | added it to desktop, but nothing happened |
| 19:21.54 | vext01 | nuxil: do you know a way of making play trult random? |
| 19:22.08 | vext01 | *truly |
| 19:22.38 | nuxil | yes in amarok :P |
| 19:23.39 | mariux | ponto: lilo or grub? |
| 19:23.40 | nuxil | no sorry.. i have used juk like 10 mins.. that was until i realized i had amarok installed,, then i started to use it and i have since.. |
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| 19:24.34 | vext01 | the major problem i had with amarok was that arts engine was buggy, akode also, and gstreamer wasnt an option. perhaps not the player itself, yet akode is fine in juk. also it skipped 2 seconds at the beginning and end of the track |
| 19:25.15 | ponto | mariux: grub |
| 19:25.17 | nuxil | vext01 dude.. you dont use arts,, use xine with alsa |
| 19:25.27 | vext01 | er.. ok |
| 19:25.39 | vext01 | theres no alsa module for unix, only linux |
| 19:26.29 | nuxil | well i dont use unix..i use the clone :P |
| 19:26.47 | vext01 | apparently so;) |
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| 19:28.43 | grick | hi everybody |
| 19:28.44 | vext01 | nuxil: unless you know of another player that index's the library in the same way as juk/amarok? I loved xmms, but it takes too long to load >1000 songs |
| 19:29.12 | nuxil | mplayer? |
| 19:29.26 | vext01 | i dont think that has a library atall does it? |
| 19:29.35 | nuxil | im not sure |
| 19:29.44 | vext01 | i dont think so |
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| 19:29.57 | vext01 | rythmbox is there, but that means gnomelibs |
| 19:30.12 | nuxil | why dont you install linux instead and use alsa.. |
| 19:31.18 | vext01 | because I been using OpenBSD for years, have a software raid array(which cannot be converted to linux), and I dont really want to. |
| 19:32.10 | Belegdol | I can't get supermonitor theme to work |
| 19:32.56 | nuxil | vext01 i see,,but isnt there a way to ger alsa in unix at all? |
| 19:33.35 | vext01 | nah. its linux only. which is why more and more audio apps only run on linux |
| 19:33.41 | grick | I have problem with hal-0.5.5, dbus-0.60, pmount-0.9.6 + kde 3.4.3 (on gentoo). Icons appear when i plug in devices but i cant mount them cause kio_media_mounthelper search an entry in fstab |
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| 19:34.19 | vext01 | i reckon audacity got it right. osx, windows, bsd, linux, solaris etc. portable sound app =) |
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| 19:40.42 | nuxil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.34 | annma | pixmaps? |
| 19:41.53 | fredrikh | nuxil: you modify the QPalette |
| 19:42.06 | nuxil | wot |
| 19:42.08 | fredrikh | nuxil: set a pixmap (texture) brush as the background |
| 19:42.29 | nuxil | QPalette? in my themes? |
| 19:42.37 | nuxil | err style |
| 19:43.03 | nuxil | fredrikh explain more deeply pls |
| 19:43.45 | tbscope | nuxil, see the Qt4 QStyle example |
| 19:44.21 | tbscope | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.1/widgets-styles.html |
| 19:44.22 | fredrikh | nuxil: you're writing a style? |
| 19:44.29 | nuxil | fredrikh no.. |
| 19:44.32 | fredrikh | nuxil: in that case you need to polish the palette |
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| 19:44.46 | nuxil | i just want a pixmap in my widgets |
| 19:45.41 | nuxil | hmm |
| 19:46.32 | fredrikh | but what are you doing exactly? writing an appliction, or working on a widget style? |
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| 19:47.13 | DjDarkman | hy ,how can i chek out ,what port does kmail want to use for sending mails? |
| 19:47.26 | nuxil | fredrikh i want to have pixmaps on all my widgets,, as i showd you on that link |
| 19:48.37 | rdale | use QLabels? |
| 19:48.47 | fredrikh | yes, but i can't help you unless you answer my question =) |
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| 19:49.35 | nuxil | widget style only |
| 19:53.01 | fredrikh | okay, then you need to reimplement QStyle::polish( QPalette & ) |
| 19:53.22 | fredrikh | create a QBrush with the pixmap you want to use as the background |
| 19:53.35 | fredrikh | then set the background in the palette to that brush |
| 19:53.51 | nuxil | omg,, sound like a heck load of work |
| 19:54.26 | fredrikh | not really |
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| 19:56.35 | grick | see you |
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| 19:57.39 | marccollin | any kmid user here? |
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| 20:09.04 | nuxil | fredrikh thxz.. |
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| 20:26.29 | DjDarkman | ? |
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| 20:38.14 | allix | i am having problems getting noatun to play a mp3 file |
| 20:38.40 | haakonn | let me introduce you to amarok. amarok, meet allix. :) |
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| 20:38.52 | allix | i use xine and its fine |
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| 20:39.03 | allix | i am just wondering why it does not work noatun |
| 20:39.35 | haakonn | well noatun is strange and unreliable in my experience |
| 20:39.57 | allix | we both agree then |
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| 20:41.59 | PhilRod | allix: try "artsplay /path/to/some/file.mp3" If that doesn't work, then arts-based apps won't be able to play mp3s |
| 20:42.14 | PhilRod | if that does work, then the problem could lie in noatun itself |
| 20:42.15 | somekool | helllo,... anyone here using skim for japanese ? i have some problem getting it BACK to work. |
| 20:42.16 | allix | ok |
| 20:43.38 | allix | nothing happens |
| 20:44.08 | allix | what codec does artsplay use? |
| 20:44.08 | PhilRod | try the "test sound" button in control center -> sound & mm -> sound system |
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| 20:44.58 | allix | the test sound works |
| 20:45.22 | PhilRod | try artsplay'ing some other file types (wav, ogg) |
| 20:45.33 | PhilRod | what distro are you using? |
| 20:45.42 | allix | slamd64 |
| 20:46.59 | allix | where mp3 codec does artsplay use? |
| 20:47.13 | PhilRod | depends |
| 20:48.01 | allix | where can i find out? |
| 20:48.37 | PhilRod | um, not sure. You could try running "artsd -l 0". You'll either be using akode or mpeglib, IIRC |
| 20:49.52 | RagTimE | allix what is your linux version ? |
| 20:50.15 | allix | 2.6.12 |
| 20:51.06 | RagTimE | i mean the Distribution |
| 20:52.04 | allix | slamd64 |
| 20:53.32 | Gentle | (that's slackware for those who don't know) |
| 20:55.21 | RagTimE | hmm is ogg working ? |
| 20:55.42 | allix | let me download a file to see |
| 20:57.45 | allix | there songs are funny |
| 20:58.20 | allix | it works |
| 20:58.30 | allix | so something wrong with mp3s |
| 20:59.36 | RagTimE | the xine lib in suse 10.0 has no mp3 support |
| 21:00.01 | RagTimE | in slamd64 i dont know |
| 21:00.09 | allix | mp3s work in xine |
| 21:00.17 | allix | just not artsplay |
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| 21:02.38 | RagTimE | hm I have no idea |
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| 21:03.57 | RagTimE | i use alsa at the moment |
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| 21:07.38 | allix | as long as one player works it doest really matter |
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| 21:08.23 | mwright1night | what port does the desktop sharing in KDE listen on |
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| 21:09.09 | mwright1night | I'm trying to connect to my friends computer |
| 21:09.31 | ponto_ | mwright1night: port 5900 + x |
| 21:09.59 | ponto_ | mwright1night: x depends on the number of listening servers. most time it is 0 |
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| 21:11.08 | mwright1night | its not working |
| 21:11.11 | mwright1night | I have mapped |
| 21:11.22 | mwright1night | -L 5900:192.168.1.100:5900 in ssh |
| 21:11.26 | mwright1night | i am going localhost:0 |
| 21:12.03 | fek | localhost:5900! |
| 21:12.14 | fek | man ssh! |
| 21:12.33 | mwright1night | localhost::5900 |
| 21:12.36 | mwright1night | no ssh is working |
| 21:13.00 | mwright1night | sorry ssh colin@ipaddress _L5900:192.168.1.100:5900 |
| 21:13.05 | mwright1night | -L rather |
| 21:13.09 | mwright1night | I have done the mapping right |
| 21:13.11 | mwright1night | I do them all the time |
| 21:13.24 | mwright1night | I have putty plumbed to 30 computers giving me ssh over ssh etc etc |
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| 21:13.34 | ponto_ | mwright1night: does your friend listen on 5900? let him do netstat -nap | grep 590 |
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| 21:38.49 | lgsobalvarro | hello canllaith |
| 21:39.07 | lgsobalvarro | hello everybody |
| 21:39.42 | kucrut | hello there |
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| 21:44.20 | lookitsme | must go today 1 alienware area51-m 5700 laptop price 650 includes shipping, carry case. message me on mcsltd@telusmail.net on msn or on mikcomputing on aim |
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| 21:45.00 | PhilRod | stupid spambots |
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| 21:49.00 | feindbild | hi =) |
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| 22:04.17 | adamk | When composing a new message in kmail, is it possible to say which identity you want it to use without having to go into the settings and changing the default identity? |
| 22:04.35 | freechelmi | it is in kde 3.5 |
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| 22:08.18 | Bille_laptop | adamk: in the composer window, check View->Identity |
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| 22:10.29 | adamk | That's exactly what I'm looking for. Thank you so much! |
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| 22:13.52 | Bille_laptop | adamk: you can also relate identities to mail folders, in the folder properties. |
| 22:14.32 | adamk | Even better. |
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| 22:26.03 | kdunse | i got a kernel panic, cannot install over the boot record it's involved in. I'm stuffed...? |
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| 22:32.09 | feindbild | kdunse: kernel panic -> install over boot record ? sorry I think theres a logic connection missing ... |
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| 22:35.50 | storyteller | Hello all |
| 22:36.12 | lgsobalvarro | hello storyteller |
| 22:36.34 | storyteller | I just upgraded my kdelibs package and now I can't log in as normal user...root can log into kde, but my normal user just gets bounced back to login screen... |
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| 22:36.48 | pattter | hi wussup |
| 22:37.02 | storyteller | I assume it's a settings conflict, but I'm hoping someone can help me narrow it down a bit |
| 22:37.08 | PhilRod | storyteller: create a new user. Can you log in as that user? |
| 22:37.16 | lgsobalvarro | storyteller: linox distribution? KDE version? |
| 22:37.20 | lgsobalvarro | *linux |
| 22:37.28 | storyteller | archlinux, kde-3.5.0-8 |
| 22:38.01 | storyteller | I tried asking in #archlinux, but everyone there hatees kde and never help me with kde related issues :( |
| 22:38.06 | storyteller | Hates* |
| 22:38.28 | lgsobalvarro | storyteller: i'm using archlinux and kde 3.5.0-8 and i dont have it problem |
| 22:38.35 | lgsobalvarro | *that |
| 22:38.50 | storyteller | I tried pacman -Rd kde && pacman -S kde, but that didn't fix it |
| 22:39.05 | solid_liq | are there any kde programs I can use to take mpeg files and create either a videocd or dvd and give it a menu? |
| 22:39.22 | storyteller | I'm hoping to not have to delete my ~/.kde folder |
| 22:39.47 | pattter | any Gentoo users around here? |
| 22:39.52 | fek | <- |
| 22:39.56 | PhilRod | pattter: yes, but more in #gentoo-kde |
| 22:39.57 | pattter | I have problems when mounting stuff |
| 22:40.04 | pattter | is not mounted at /media and is anoying |
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| 22:40.13 | pattter | then i can't use the right click to unmount |
| 22:40.19 | pattter | I have to do it the command line way |
| 22:40.28 | lgsobalvarro | storyteller: you can check .xsession-errors... maybe it said something about it |
| 22:40.50 | pattter | no that I don't like command line... is for other friends I need to set it up properly |
| 22:40.53 | PhilRod | pattter: best to check in #gentoo-kde whether you have the correct packages installed |
| 22:41.08 | pattter | i have... |
| 22:41.20 | pattter | noone answers over there |
| 22:41.20 | storyteller | lgsobalvarro: Is that in /temp, or my home folder? |
| 22:41.38 | lgsobalvarro | storyteller: /home/you're_user |
| 22:41.42 | storyteller | Thanks : |
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| 22:45.07 | paulvolk | Hey |
| 22:45.13 | paulvolk | WHATS UP?????????????? |
| 22:45.18 | PhilRod | the sky |
| 22:45.37 | paulvolk | you all use KDE? |
| 22:45.52 | lgsobalvarro | yeap paulvolk ... |
| 22:45.59 | PhilRod | nope, no one here uses KDE |
| 22:46.06 | StevenR | PhilRod: also the ceiling |
| 22:46.23 | StevenR | PhilRod: though it does depend on one's definition of "up" |
| 22:46.27 | PhilRod | happy Burn's night StevenR :-) |
| 22:46.35 | StevenR | same to you PhilRod :) |
| 22:46.37 | PhilRod | ooh, misplaced apostrophe |
| 22:46.49 | paulvolk | ah steaven you are right my good friend! |
| 22:47.01 | PhilRod | mmmm |
| 22:47.14 | StevenR | PhilRod: bored of bagpipes now, they're not condusive to work |
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| 22:47.51 | PhilRod | heh, we don't hear them so often down here in the warm(!) south, so I quite enjoy them :-) |
| 22:47.55 | story2 | Hmmm....xsession-errors is blank ;( |
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| 22:50.34 | story2 | brb |
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| 22:51.48 | lgsobalvarro | storyteller: you found something? |
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| 22:53.02 | forevertheuni | hi guys my KDM is going to a resolution(+ then 1280x1024) that my monitor doesn't like...however in my xorg.conf I haven't that resolution..after KDM there is no problem because I changed it to 1280x1024 in control panel..what can I do? |
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| 22:57.52 | storyteller | I believe I may have to use a different wm for a while :( |
| 22:58.32 | storyteller | Appearently whoever build my kdelibs package set bad permissions |
| 23:00.18 | lgsobalvarro | storyteller: check the permissions ;) |
| 23:00.44 | storyteller | On what? |
| 23:01.10 | storyteller | root can log into kde, but even after creating a new user only root can log in |
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| 23:14.36 | mors | hey fellas, is there any key binding that will let me switch between shells in konsole? like.. alt+<n> in gnome-terminal. thanks |
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| 23:14.44 | hagayarou | when I use KDM instead of starting with multi user console mode, my .Xmodmap file isn't loaded. how would I fix it? |
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| 23:17.14 | lgsobalvarro | sorri storyteller you daid something? |
| 23:17.20 | mistik1 | Does anyone know what the maximum steps a kdialog progressbar takes as an arguement? |
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| 23:18.15 | storyteller | I added a new user, and still only root can log into kde...so much for the hope of deleting my ~/.kde folder as an emergency measure |
| 23:18.50 | lgsobalvarro | ehm storyteller ... you try pacman -S kdelibs? |
| 23:19.13 | storyteller | I did pacman -Rd kde && pacman -S kde |
| 23:19.29 | storyteller | Completely removed and reinstalled all kde apps |
| 23:20.04 | storyteller | Maybe I should try to log into another wm and see if it's locked too... |
| 23:21.05 | lgsobalvarro | storyteller go to /var/cache/pacman/pkg and remove kdelibs... then type pacman -S kdelibs |
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| 23:22.20 | jorgp | can someone help me with kmail / crypto and cacert.org |
| 23:22.43 | jorgp | and kleopatra |
| 23:23.08 | storyteller | lgsobalvarro: Trying that now...if that does not work I will try installing the kdelibs-3.5.0.6 I have in there |
| 23:23.31 | lgsobalvarro | ok storyteller ;) |
| 23:24.03 | storyteller | Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it :) |
| 23:24.29 | lgsobalvarro | np storyteller. We are here for that |
| 23:24.41 | storyteller | I'm in the middle of recording an album on that machine, so downtime is a bad thing lol |
| 23:30.10 | lgsobalvarro | jeje storyteller |
| 23:30.42 | HuntsMan | lgsobalvarro: ! |
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| 23:30.53 | lgsobalvarro | hello HuntsMan ! |
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| 23:36.10 | lgsobalvarro | storyteller: it works? |
| 23:37.02 | harleypig | I've just upgraded to KDE 3.5.0 on a kubuntu installation using automatix ... my panel has disappeared. I can see it as I log in but I can't seem to find it (it's auto-hidden). |
| 23:37.05 | harleypig | any pointers? |
| 23:37.17 | harleypig | can I jus run kicker from the command line? |
| 23:37.29 | mistik1 | can someone tell me what portion of KDE contains kdialog? |
| 23:37.48 | fredrikh | mistik1: kdelibs/kdeui |
| 23:37.57 | mistik1 | thanks |
| 23:38.39 | storyteller | No luck :( |
| 23:39.37 | storyteller | harleypig: Try pointing in lower left corner. If that does not work try killall -9 kicker && kicker |
| 23:40.03 | storyteller | harleypig: I had the hidden panel issue when upgrading to 3.5 myself |
| 23:40.20 | harleypig | storyteller: ok ... it pops up ... is that what I need to do from now on? |
| 23:41.38 | harleypig | storyteller: nm, I found the setting |
| 23:41.44 | storyteller | harleypig: Now disable transparency and log out. Then th next time you log in it should function normally :) |
| 23:41.46 | lgsobalvarro | ehm storyteller and installing 3.5.0-6 ? |
| 23:42.01 | storyteller | lgsobalvarro: I tried that with no change :( |
| 23:42.13 | harleypig | what does transparency have to do with it? |
| 23:42.21 | harleypig | (I dont' even think I have it enable) |
| 23:42.34 | storyteller | Sorry, not transparency,. autohiding |
| 23:43.01 | lgsobalvarro | deam... storyteller and the other users are active? you can login in text-mode? |
| 23:43.01 | harleypig | ah ... it's working fine now ... I just changed the hotspot to the bottom edge. |
| 23:43.13 | storyteller | :) |
| 23:43.30 | storyteller | lgsobalvarro: I can login in console mode, but only root can log into kde |
| 23:43.49 | storyteller | Any new user I create is locked out of kde...only root has access |
| 23:45.08 | lgsobalvarro | ehm... it isnt normal... |
| 23:45.11 | storyteller | only thing I can think of is to try chmodding my entire kde folder |
| 23:45.17 | storyteller | Then reinstall |
| 23:46.15 | pattter | for a laptop is reccomendable to use kdepwermangement acpi whatever? or should i go for the more difficult cpyfregqd |
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| 23:46.40 | pattter | klaptopdaemon or cpufreqd |
| 23:46.46 | lgsobalvarro | !seen aseigo |
| 23:47.00 | lgsobalvarro | jeje xDD |
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| 23:47.57 | Servo888_ | Anybody know where to get a kde character map? |
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| 23:48.46 | pattter | mmm... gentoo likes all the hardest stuff :( |
| 23:49.03 | pattter | Servo888_: I need that too |
| 23:49.54 | Servo888_ | lol - I found a basic one for kde 1.0... but that's no fun |
| 23:50.05 | lgsobalvarro | Servo888_: you should install kdeutils |
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| 23:50.25 | Servo888_ | lgsobalvarro, they are installed |
| 23:50.34 | Servo888_ | Maybe I'm missing something |
| 23:50.47 | Servo888_ | lgsobalvarro, so you know what the application name is? |
| 23:51.08 | lgsobalvarro | kcharselect Servo888_ |
| 23:51.42 | Servo888_ | lgsobalvarro, that's not in kde utils, it's a package by itself |
| 23:51.49 | Servo888_ | I'll install it thogh =-) thanks |
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| 23:53.19 | lgsobalvarro | Servo888_: if you're using rpm's or deb's packages it will be alone. But if you're using tgz packages it will be in kdeutils |
| 23:53.38 | kevin | hi |
| 23:53.55 | storyteller | The only changes I've made since the last successful login is upgrading/installing: avahi, filesystem, geoip, and kdelibs |
| 23:53.56 | lgsobalvarro | hello kevin |
| 23:54.11 | mistik1 | argh! |
| 23:54.19 | kevin | helloo Igsobalvarro |
| 23:54.22 | lgsobalvarro | storyteller: i do the same changes and i dont have problems |
| 23:54.34 | mistik1 | I'm having an issue with kdialog here, maybe someone has seen this before..... |
| 23:56.17 | mistik1 | I wrote a script to handle virus scanning, I have made it a dialog based script and create a progress bar that I define the steps by how many files i'll be handling. when I chose a small list of files my progress bar works just great but does not appear at all when I choose a larger list of files |
| 23:56.37 | pattter | mistik1: is this for kde? |
| 23:56.49 | pattter | i thought linux didn't have viruses |
| 23:56.50 | mistik1 | It will be |
| 23:56.56 | pattter | :'( |
| 23:57.36 | mistik1 | people run more than linux and this is aimed at people moving over from windows and want to scan thier files before copying them to backup medium |
| 23:57.53 | mistik1 | Its no good having a CD/DVD full of virii |
| 23:58.02 | pattter | aha |
| 23:58.07 | pattter | hey didn't know that |
| 23:58.22 | pattter | when you dl some video from a p2p can be riddled with virueses? |
| 23:58.32 | mistik1 | sure |
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| 23:59.02 | mistik1 | You can download an image file full of virii or other exploit |
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| 23:59.46 | mistik1 | so i'm leveraging clamdscan with a wrapper to make it easier for new users |
| 23:59.48 | Ash-Fox | Microsoft makes anything possible! |
| 23:59.58 | mistik1 | Ash-Fox: indeed |
