| 00:00.35 | redkommie_ | benJIman: well the problem is very broad... run as different user under KDE fails and entering administrator mode fails |
| 00:00.46 | lost-away | Sho_: for insntance in ksirc the text input box has a black background and the topic bar at the top has the black background as well with my font colors that match my theme that i use |
| 00:00.53 | redkommie_ | I actually downgraded KDE to see if it would stop but its persistent |
| 00:00.55 | benJIman | redkommie_: when you say fails, what exactly happens? |
| 00:01.03 | lost-away | Sho_: in Konversation this is not the case |
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| 00:01.06 | Sho_ | lost-away: The topic label is a label, not an input widget |
| 00:01.08 | benJIman | and which distro are you using? if you were using kubuntu it would explain it |
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| 00:01.36 | redkommie_ | benJIman: Slackware 10.2 - and when accessing admin mode I am just thrown back to the summary screen |
| 00:01.47 | lost-away | Sho_: true but even xchat has the option to allow matching |
| 00:01.49 | redkommie_ | benJIman: whats odd is that my laptop is the exact same setup but does not encounter the problem =\ |
| 00:02.04 | DietrichR_ | If one has to resort to whining about a label not matching his theme then you know the program must be doing a lot right |
| 00:02.09 | lost-away | Sho_: I always install the new releases and it is a very nice application |
| 00:02.47 | Sho_ | lost-away: Sorry, but I'm afraid giving it the same background color as the input box doesn't make a lot of sense and won't be implemented :) |
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| 00:03.14 | lost-away | Sho_: thats ok its just something i noticed |
| 00:03.49 | t00r | I wish there was a bigger send button in Konversation... sometimes when I click it I miss |
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| 00:04.12 | bill_c | send button? |
| 00:04.12 | lost-away | Sho_: other than those 2 things it handles everything quite well and the built in scripts are very nice |
| 00:04.24 | DietrichR_ | Can the channel moderator ban ksirc users from this channel? |
| 00:04.35 | t00r | Yeah, you know the button you press when youre done typing a message? |
| 00:04.37 | Sho_ | t00r: We have a "Send" button? :-) |
| 00:04.38 | lost-away | DietrichR_: im sure there is a way |
| 00:04.51 | annma | DirkGently: teh channel moderator uses KSirc |
| 00:04.59 | bill_c | t00r: I don't see a send button in konversation |
| 00:05.07 | Sho_ | DietrichR_: Why would the channel moderator do something that inane? :) |
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| 00:05.23 | lost-away | im curious as that myself |
| 00:05.51 | annma | the channel moderator uses KSirc and often tests Konvi |
| 00:06.04 | DietrichR_ | Poor guy |
| 00:06.06 | bill_c | DietrichR_: I think only freenode can attempt to ban a client, don't think chanserv has that ability |
| 00:06.09 | lost-away | Konvi is a tripped out way to IRC |
| 00:06.15 | Sho_ | the channel moderator in fact has made useful bug reports ;-) |
| 00:06.18 | annma | DietrichR_: wrong again! |
| 00:06.31 | annma | <DietrichR_> Poor guy |
| 00:06.54 | DirkGently | annma: I've submitted new icons to KSirc |
| 00:07.10 | annma | DirkGently: oh cool! |
| 00:07.13 | annma | for 3.5.2? |
| 00:07.19 | DietrichR_ | If you people would worry more about improving the features instead of just making stupid new icons it would probably be bettr |
| 00:07.35 | annma | DietrichR_: ? |
| 00:07.37 | Sho_ | DietrichR_: Please stop trolling. What have you contributed lately? |
| 00:07.39 | annma | you seem upset |
| 00:07.55 | lostson | it all comes down to personal taste |
| 00:08.02 | t00r | Why does it matter what hes contributed?? |
| 00:08.11 | t00r | Opensource is FOR the user |
| 00:08.14 | t00r | Hes the user. |
| 00:08.16 | annma | yes but we respect other choices than the one we use generally |
| 00:08.33 | DietrichR_ | I respect the people who use KSirc. I just feel a great deal of pity for them |
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| 00:08.37 | lostson | true |
| 00:08.37 | annma | yes but don't troll |
| 00:08.37 | DirkGently | the server icon and the channel node icon are one's I cleaned up |
| 00:08.43 | Sho_ | t00r: When he judges other people's specific contributions, I may judge his |
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| 00:08.55 | DirkGently | annma: no.. that was a long time ago |
| 00:08.56 | Sho_ | t00r: In any case, I believe we have no "Send" button in Konversation :) |
| 00:09.10 | annma | DirkGently: oh, ok ;-) |
| 00:09.24 | annma | I did not know you were also an artist DirkGently |
| 00:09.26 | DirkGently | this was pre-Konvi |
| 00:09.37 | t00r | Sho_ I was joking about the send button |
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| 00:09.58 | Sho_ | t00r: Ah ;). Well, Kopete has one ;) |
| 00:10.05 | lostson | hehe |
| 00:10.07 | t00r | Implying that only stupid people would press a button after every message, it's pointless |
| 00:10.30 | DirkGently | nah.. I just tweak other people's work.. like docs and gui strings.. it's easier to fix other people's original work than create my own ;¬) |
| 00:10.56 | annma | ;) |
| 00:13.16 | _mobtek | heheh DietrichR_ |
| 00:13.20 | _mobtek | DirkGently even |
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| 00:14.03 | DietrichR_ | My contribution to the community is constructive criticism |
| 00:14.09 | DietrichR_ | I figured open source communities would value this |
| 00:14.09 | lostson | heh |
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| 00:14.40 | Sho_ | DietrichR_: Talk is cheap |
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| 00:21.16 | redkommie_ | benJIman: I have found the problem =) it was issue with xhost |
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| 00:23.50 | xz | where does kde log errors ? |
| 00:24.11 | pinotree | ~/.xession-errors |
| 00:24.17 | pinotree | err |
| 00:24.22 | pinotree | ~/.xsession-errors |
| 00:24.23 | apt | i guess /.xsession-errors is quite common |
| 00:24.39 | xz | i'm looking for an error as to why system notifications won't play when using an external player |
| 00:24.46 | xz | the external player works in a shell |
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| 00:25.22 | xz | anyone have a clue ? |
| 00:25.39 | xz | i'm just trying to use play |
| 00:25.42 | xz | but no sound comes out |
| 00:25.44 | xz | from kde |
| 00:25.47 | xz | but it works in a shell |
| 00:25.51 | annma | did you set it in KControl? |
| 00:26.14 | Sho_ | xz: perhaps try to give the full path to play? |
| 00:26.27 | xz | i think so - in the system notifications place i choose player settings then click use external player |
| 00:26.32 | xz | i'm using the full path |
| 00:26.42 | annma | does play play ogg? |
| 00:27.00 | xz | er.. yes.. but i'm testing on a .wav in kde anyway |
| 00:27.04 | xz | KDE_Click.wav |
| 00:27.25 | xz | i'll try an ogg too |
| 00:27.56 | xz | ogg works in shell |
| 00:27.58 | xz | not in kde |
| 00:29.08 | xz | anyone know what could be wrong? |
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| 00:29.15 | xz | or where i can find an error message? |
| 00:29.22 | xz | i just get no feedback at all as to why it's not working |
| 00:29.34 | xz | click the play button and no sound comes out |
| 00:30.05 | xz | using an external player - it's not even a sound system problem |
| 00:30.27 | annma | ogg123 should work, try it |
| 00:30.40 | xz | instead of play? |
| 00:30.48 | xz | doesn't work either |
| 00:31.08 | xz | but both play and ogg123 work in a shell |
| 00:31.12 | xz | i'll try with the kde run dialog.. |
| 00:32.18 | annma | maybe you set kde not to play sounds |
| 00:32.19 | xz | annma: how would i have done that? |
| 00:32.19 | annma | System Notifocations tab |
| 00:32.19 | xz | it doesn't play if i use kde's run dialog and type play /usr/kde/3.5/share/sounds/KDE_Beep.wav |
| 00:32.19 | xz | but it does play if i type the same thing into konsole |
| 00:32.19 | annma | Click on Turn on all sounds |
| 00:32.36 | xz | doesn't help |
| 00:32.46 | xz | and even if the sounds were off, pressing the play preview button should still work |
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| 00:32.56 | xz | and running play should work |
| 00:32.58 | xz | shouldn't it? |
| 00:33.06 | annma | yes |
| 00:33.12 | annma | maybe try a new user |
| 00:33.16 | annma | what distro is it? |
| 00:33.18 | xz | gentoo |
| 00:33.36 | xz | i've recently upgraded to kde 3.5.1 |
| 00:33.44 | firephoto | try aplay or alsaplayer |
| 00:33.47 | xz | and i removed the arts USE flag |
| 00:33.49 | xz | that's the only thing i could think of |
| 00:33.53 | xz | that could be the problem |
| 00:33.58 | xz | but i'm not using arts at all |
| 00:34.00 | annma | well i don |
| 00:34.02 | firephoto | system sounds don't work if you -arts |
| 00:34.03 | annma | 't use gentoo |
| 00:34.12 | xz | firephoto: seriously? ok |
| 00:34.18 | xz | firephoto: i'll recompile everything with +arts then |
| 00:34.18 | annma | I have kde from svn sources and it's all OK |
| 00:34.22 | firephoto | yeah. you need arts. but you don't have to use it. |
| 00:34.22 | xz | firephoto: even if you don't use arts ? |
| 00:34.23 | annma | lol |
| 00:34.27 | xz | firephoto: thanks much =) |
| 00:34.31 | xz | that'll fix it |
| 00:34.36 | xz | giant recompile coming right up... |
| 00:34.37 | annma | you have to use arts for notifications |
| 00:34.49 | annma | no arts -> no notifications |
| 00:34.49 | xz | annma: no, i can use an external player |
| 00:35.05 | annma | yes but arts not compiled gives no notifications |
| 00:35.10 | annma | that's it |
| 00:35.14 | xz | annma: yes ok that's what i'm learning now - thanks |
| 00:35.42 | fredrikh | you only need to build arts and kdelibs |
| 00:36.58 | xz | fredrikh: well i'll also recompile all the kde apps that take the arts use flag |
| 00:37.04 | magyar | is there a good mp3 player for kde? |
| 00:37.16 | xz | magyar: yep. kaffeine |
| 00:37.24 | xz | magyar: or amarok could do it |
| 00:37.30 | annma | amaroK |
| 00:37.35 | xz | magyar: kplayer, kmplayer, vlc, |
| 00:37.42 | fredrikh | xz: no need - the interface to arts is in kdelibs, and that's what apps use |
| 00:37.57 | xz | fredrikh: ok |
| 00:38.06 | fredrikh | xz: when you build kdelibs without arts installs, the arts interface becomes an interface to /dev/null :) |
| 00:38.09 | fredrikh | installed* |
| 00:38.14 | magyar | xz, thanks |
| 00:38.38 | magyar | xz, amarok is nice but it keeps on crashing in debian sid |
| 00:38.39 | xz | fredrikh: ah ok =) |
| 00:38.47 | xz | magyar: yeh it's newish |
| 00:38.57 | xz | magyar: try kaffeine - i use that myself |
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| 00:39.07 | magyar | xz, abd kmpalyer is not in the repos |
| 00:39.15 | magyar | i got kaffein though |
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| 00:39.36 | Oleg_ | annma: hi, how are you? |
| 00:39.38 | xz | hey anyone know why the taskbar flashing thing might have stopped working? |
| 00:39.40 | agliodbs | any Kate people here? |
| 00:39.57 | xz | it used to flash on certain events like when i get a new message in kopete. kopete settings still think it's on, but i see no flash |
| 00:40.03 | xz | agliodbs: i use kate.. |
| 00:40.12 | annma | Oleg_: fine thanks |
| 00:40.13 | xz | agliodbs: don't know that much about it though =) |
| 00:40.14 | annma | you? |
| 00:40.22 | annma | agliodbs: I also use Kate |
| 00:40.23 | agliodbs | ah |
| 00:40.38 | agliodbs | I was trying to set up a way to auto-script SVN checking |
| 00:40.41 | agliodbs | er, checkin |
| 00:41.05 | agliodbs | for database development |
| 00:41.24 | agliodbs | that is, set up a way so that every time I run a file against the database it also gets saved in the repository |
| 00:43.20 | agliodbs | trying to figure out how to do it. |
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| 00:44.45 | annma | not sure what the scripting capabilities are |
| 00:45.04 | annma | if you can come earlier tomorrow the developer is named sredna |
| 00:45.10 | annma | but he is asleep now |
| 00:45.15 | annma | he lives in Europe |
| 00:49.25 | agliodbs | yeah, I've met him |
| 00:49.40 | annma | no hint? |
| 00:49.54 | agliodbs | no, didnt ask him that question yet |
| 00:50.48 | annma | I am looking at the doc but cannot find anything useful |
| 00:50.55 | annma | there's a script thing |
| 00:51.40 | agliodbs | yes |
| 00:51.51 | agliodbs | I've been trying to figure it out |
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| 01:43.07 | magyar | is there any cadaver clients for kde? |
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| 01:43.49 | sts9 | having issues with a usb printer. module usblp is loaded, but kdejobview hangs when I try to print something. konquerer says state is Idle(rejecting jobs) while Control panel says idle(accepting jobs) using the default printer controller |
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| 01:45.22 | sts9 | never tried the printer on this machine before. so its not an issue of something that used to work and stopped. I could never seem to get to work. Now its kinda important and Im stumped as to what the problem is |
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| 01:46.11 | bfudlmint | Hello |
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| 01:54.31 | blshkv | guys, I want to write a plugin for konqueror. From where shell I start?.. |
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| 01:57.58 | sero | Anybody still awake? |
| 01:58.19 | Ringwraith` | no sorry |
| 01:58.22 | Ringwraith` | i went to bed hours ago |
| 01:58.49 | sero | ahhh, conversation with ghosts ;-) |
| 01:59.17 | yardbird | good nite all, I'm not pulling an all-nighter... no tonight at least :) |
| 01:59.38 | sero | might be better then for me to get a little sleep as well ... |
| 02:00.35 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm, this is truely annoyingly odd.. |
| 02:00.52 | yardbird | :-) |
| 02:01.02 | sero | OK, last question: is here a vim guru who can give me some hinds how to turn vim into an "IDE"? |
| 02:01.23 | Psi-Jack | Why would my screensaver not come up, however, it locks my desktop, .. it just no longer updates the desktop's actual current display, and doesn't display the screensaver itself. |
| 02:01.25 | annma | IDE? |
| 02:01.34 | annma | sero: what sort of IDE? |
| 02:01.35 | Psi-Jack | Integrated Development Environment. |
| 02:01.48 | annma | yes,KDE has KDevelop as IDE |
| 02:01.51 | Psi-Jack | And using vim for an IDE is just ... Play.. Ugly. |
| 02:01.57 | Ringwraith` | becareful |
| 02:02.04 | Ringwraith` | kdevelop can fuck the bootstrap sometimes |
| 02:02.04 | Psi-Jack | play == plain |
| 02:02.11 | annma | sero: so you want to integrate vim in kdevelop? |
| 02:02.28 | sero | annma: I start C++ developing and as a first step I need a debugger ... |
| 02:02.40 | yardbird | I guess the best you can achieve is to use kvimpart as editor in Kdevelop... |
| 02:02.41 | annma | so use KDevelop |
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| 02:02.56 | annma | yardbird: not kvimpart but Yzis |
| 02:03.05 | annma | kvimpart is obsolete |
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| 02:03.25 | yardbird | thanks for the hint annma |
| 02:03.33 | sero | annma: I thougt I can at least at the beginning (simple example programs) do it more manualy to learn how it works behind the scenes. |
| 02:03.56 | Psi-Jack | Ringwraith`: The language definately was not required. |
| 02:04.00 | annma | then use Kate as editor and Konsole as terminal |
| 02:04.10 | annma | sero: ^^ |
| 02:04.22 | annma | or Yzis as editor and Konsole |
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| 02:04.48 | Psi-Jack | Anyway, can someone help me with my kss problem? |
| 02:04.53 | annma | sero: hat'll do the job very well |
| 02:05.05 | sero | So I have vim with syntax highliting, need a good confortable "bridge" to gcc and gdb, I guess. |
| 02:05.16 | annma | konsole |
| 02:05.19 | yardbird | sero: I'm developing a qt4 app and I'm really comfortable with konsole+kate |
| 02:05.29 | annma | sero: do you run KDE at all? |
| 02:05.37 | annma | you seem not to use any KDE app |
| 02:05.48 | annma | yardbird: yes, me too |
| 02:05.53 | sero | annma: yes, and I know/use konsole. |
| 02:06.03 | annma | sero: then you're all set |
| 02:06.11 | Ringwraith` | Psi-Jack, if you have seen how bad it can you'd say what i said |
| 02:06.22 | ro28 | sero: if you want to learn how it works 'behind the scenes' so to speak, then you shouldn't use a 'bridge' to gcc and gdb yet |
| 02:06.30 | Psi-Jack | Ringwraith`: No, I wouldn't use the foul language to say it. Grow up. :p |
| 02:06.33 | annma | either you don't need more as you want to get the command line or you want KDevelop for easiness |
| 02:06.38 | sero | annma: I am chatting with kopete - NO FLAMEWARS please, I KNOW konversation is for IRC ;-) |
| 02:06.47 | ro28 | sero: if anything, if you jump straight into e.g. a KDevelop-created app, you'll probably be quite confused by all the automake/autoconf stuff |
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| 02:08.39 | Psi-Jack | Hmm.. Dangit.. 1 minute, I set my screensaver to, and I walk away, come back, and the screen is still visible, the whole desktop and all, but nothing's being updated, and no screensaver. |
| 02:08.56 | sero | ro28: With "bridge" I mean making things a little more confortable while keeping the control. I thought the allnight KDE devels have some tricks and hacks to make everyday life easier! |
| 02:09.10 | annma | we don't bridge |
| 02:09.27 | annma | we issue gdb commands in konsole |
| 02:09.36 | annma | we issue svn commands in konsole |
| 02:09.37 | sero | But maybe they don't won't to tell the n00bs there tricks ;-) |
| 02:09.54 | annma | and all sort of make commands |
| 02:10.16 | Psi-Jack | sero: Some people use KDevelop. Others, like yourself, want to use vim, to go to #vim. |
| 02:10.42 | annma | there's no trick, we just don't use fancy things |
| 02:10.58 | sero | annma: So will, following the path of the enlightened *g* |
| 02:11.02 | annma | it's quicker to do it all in konsole to tell you the truth |
| 02:12.06 | Psi-Jack | So, can ANYONE help me with my screensaver problem with KDE? |
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| 02:13.06 | annma | Psi-Jack: hmm are you sure it's not a distro problem? |
| 02:13.18 | annma | when yu test the screensaver, doe sit work? |
| 02:13.28 | Psi-Jack | annma: How is kscreensaver going to be anything related to a distro problem? |
| 02:13.35 | Psi-Jack | annma: Yes, it works. |
| 02:13.40 | annma | i heard suse has problems |
| 02:13.46 | sero | annma: Thats what I thougt, too. Can you give me a good knowledge ressource, how I can do all the stuff in a shell rather then using Visual Studio? I have a nice C++ book but it doesn't talk about GNU tools - has a Visual Studio CD ... |
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| 02:14.00 | annma | sero: ? |
| 02:14.03 | Psi-Jack | I use Gentoo. I compiled everything KDE. |
| 02:14.22 | annma | sero: if you want to code C++ only ask in a C++ channel |
| 02:14.41 | ro28 | sero: just start off with simple programs, and 'man g++' should be good enough |
| 02:14.42 | annma | for kde development see developer.kde.org and kdevelop.org for good tutorials |
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| 02:15.16 | sero | annma: OK. |
| 02:15.16 | annma | i started with kdevelop and it did the job well |
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| 02:15.53 | annma | Psi-Jack: so it looks your settings are not taken in account? |
| 02:15.54 | mshade | is there a way to assign an application to an entire genre? eg: mplayer/VLC to video* ? |
| 02:15.56 | annma | like the start time? |
| 02:16.20 | annma | mshade: yes, file associations |
| 02:16.21 | mshade | talking about file associations, of course. the only way that seems obvious is to assign each and every mime type or extension |
| 02:16.40 | annma | you have groups in file associations |
| 02:17.05 | annma | like audio group or media group |
| 02:17.15 | mshade | yes, i see 'audio' and 'video' for example. I'd like to assign mplayer for all things 'video'. how do i do that without having to assign mplayer to each individual entry under 'video' ? |
| 02:17.47 | Psi-Jack | Does anyone here have any issues with KDE 3.5.0 and the screensaver not working? Basically what I'm experiencing is, that it's blanking the screen, loading screensaver, but the desktop remains.. "still". (nothing gets updated, but the screensaver is "active"). I move the mouse, and the screen refreshes, and screenasaver no longer is active. |
| 02:17.59 | Psi-Jack | Detailed description of what's going on. --^ |
| 02:18.48 | annma | did yu try a new user, Psi-Jack ? |
| 02:19.14 | mshade | annma, do you know of a way to assign all of 'video' to mplayer or another media player? |
| 02:19.37 | Psi-Jack | Why is the "new user" always suggested here? |
| 02:19.38 | annma | mshade: no, now that I look in KControl |
| 02:19.56 | annma | Psi-Jack: to see if your problem is local or global, that's why |
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| 02:20.07 | annma | if you don't want to follow my lead, be free |
| 02:20.34 | annma | i have kde 3.5.1 from kde svn source and screensavers work |
| 02:20.37 | mshade | annma, is there a feature-request email address or somesuch? |
| 02:20.45 | annma | they also worked in 3.5.0 |
| 02:20.58 | annma | mshade: bugs.kde.org |
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| 02:21.14 | mshade | Psi-Jack, for what it's worth, only some of the screensavers work in kde 3.5.0 on Kubuntu |
| 02:21.15 | annma | mshade: at the moment, what happens with different audio? |
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| 02:22.03 | mshade | annma, well, most of my audio and video are accessed via an NFS mount. mplayer seems to handle that situation the best. other players stall out or don't search well through the media.. skipping ahead or seeking through the track |
| 02:22.38 | annma | amarok works well for me |
| 02:22.55 | Psi-Jack | mshade: Heh. Which ones don't work? |
| 02:23.00 | Psi-Jack | I'm just trying to use Swarm. |
| 02:23.09 | Psi-Jack | It works fine in test mode. |
| 02:23.40 | mshade | annma, amarok works great on audio. the main problem is video, though. and right now, kaffeine, VLC, noatun, totem, and mplayer are all defined as the primary player for some types of video. i'd like to consolodate that without clicking through the 50 or so defined types. there ought to be a way |
| 02:23.48 | Psi-Jack | annma: The problem with using a new user is, yes, I'm quite sure it will work. However, what's wrong with my CURRENT user is the issue of all. |
| 02:24.50 | mshade | Psi-Jack, what happens when the screensavers don't load.. do they load in preview mode, just not in the normal way? |
| 02:26.08 | Psi-Jack | mshade: I have my screensaver set to 1min now. All it does is load, and when it does, nothing on the desktop updates any longer. If I wait 300 seconds, eventually it'll require me to unlock the system. But, when I do move the mouse, the whole desktop flickers before returning back to normal. |
| 02:26.24 | annma | Psi-Jack: did you try backing up the .kssrc files in $KDEHOME/share/config? |
| 02:26.44 | Psi-Jack | annma: Backing up? |
| 02:26.53 | annma | yes |
| 02:27.09 | annma | renaming them to *.kssrc.bak |
| 02:27.16 | annma | that's backing up |
| 02:27.41 | annma | if it's a config problem withyour current user then taht's what you should try |
| 02:29.08 | Psi-Jack | By $KDEHOME, you mean where KDE is installed, correct? |
| 02:29.20 | annma | no |
| 02:29.30 | annma | I mean your .kde or similar |
| 02:29.40 | annma | your ~/.kde |
| 02:29.46 | Psi-Jack | Okay, then ~ would have been more appropriate. :) |
| 02:29.46 | annma | or something like that |
| 02:29.51 | Psi-Jack | But now I getcha. :) |
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| 02:30.42 | Psi-Jack | Okay, That's done. Gimme 1 min. heh |
| 02:30.57 | annma | what screensaver did you try? |
| 02:31.04 | pjv | how do i remove my Trash Can from my desktop? |
| 02:31.34 | annma | remove the .desktop file in Desktop I think |
| 02:31.55 | annma | try renaming it in case you have second thoughts |
| 02:32.31 | Ringwraith` | that is silly to name it .desktop |
| 02:33.18 | Psi-Jack | Same thing. |
| 02:33.23 | Psi-Jack | It's kswarm |
| 02:33.48 | annma | what kde module is it in? |
| 02:33.59 | annma | how about other screensavers? |
| 02:34.07 | annma | krandom? |
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| 02:35.24 | annma | Psi-Jack: no ss work at all? |
| 02:35.47 | annma | Psi-Jack: ? |
| 02:35.48 | Psi-Jack | klines seemed to work. heh |
| 02:35.55 | Psi-Jack | Sorry, I had to wait 1 minute. :p |
| 02:36.02 | annma | so where is this KSwarm from? |
| 02:36.10 | annma | a third party like kde-apps |
| 02:36.11 | Psi-Jack | From KDE. |
| 02:36.20 | annma | form what module then? |
| 02:36.31 | annma | KDE consists on modules |
| 02:36.40 | annma | some apps are 3rd party |
| 02:36.53 | annma | they are not in kde svn thus not in official KDe |
| 02:37.21 | Psi-Jack | kswarm has been officially in KDE since 2.0 |
| 02:37.21 | Psi-Jack | Maybe even earlier. :p |
| 02:37.22 | annma | where? |
| 02:37.24 | Psi-Jack | But it's part of kdeartwork. |
| 02:37.31 | annma | kdeartwork, ok |
| 02:37.38 | annma | i did not compile it |
| 02:37.56 | annma | if it's the only one that does not work then make a bug report |
| 02:38.01 | pjv | anma: ty |
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| 02:39.27 | annma | Psi-Jack: do kswarm.kss in konsole please |
| 02:39.35 | annma | see if it starts the ss |
| 02:39.49 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, kpolygons also doesn't wokr. |
| 02:40.05 | Psi-Jack | kswarm.kss brings up a windowed preview. |
| 02:40.34 | annma | there's an open bug report on it |
| 02:41.04 | Psi-Jack | Even kpolygon? Heh |
| 02:41.09 | annma | did it work on gentoo kde3.2 fr you? |
| 02:41.20 | Psi-Jack | Eh? |
| 02:41.46 | annma | you did not have gentoo kde 3.2 maybe? |
| 02:41.51 | Psi-Jack | No. |
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| 02:42.11 | Psi-Jack | Up until a month ago, I haven't even run Linux for a few years. |
| 02:42.28 | annma | anyway kswarm seems broken the way you have it |
| 02:42.36 | annma | from the open bug report |
| 02:42.46 | annma | it previews, runs on konsole but don't start |
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| 02:43.01 | Psi-Jack | Yeah. Basically just freezes the screen. |
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| 02:43.10 | lord_crow | hi all |
| 02:43.23 | lord_crow | did any of you tried xgl ? |
| 02:43.28 | annma | so just add a comment to the bug report |
| 02:43.46 | lord_crow | (with all of the new candy stuff ) |
| 02:43.49 | benJIman | lost-away: did you get it working in the end? |
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| 02:44.19 | annma | but i dont think a new user will work either |
| 02:44.32 | annma | that would have told us if it |
| 02:44.33 | Psi-Jack | annma: Is it a bug in kscreensavers, or kswarm specifically? |
| 02:44.35 | annma | s really broken |
| 02:44.47 | annma | kswarm specifically |
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| 02:45.11 | Psi-Jack | Well, lemme create a new user, just to test this out then, and i'll spawn another X display. |
| 02:45.24 | annma | yes that's the way to check |
| 02:46.47 | Psi-Jack | Course, I got qemu running, installing Windows 2000. I got the last 40 kde packages being compiled, up to 22 of 40, and of course,everything else that is running. But, I think I can handle it. LOL |
| 02:47.20 | mshade | heheh |
| 02:47.32 | benJIman | *lord_crow |
| 02:47.51 | lord_crow | benJIman: |
| 02:48.36 | lord_crow | benJIman: i went back to my slamd64 box... :P i'll try to compile everything in here |
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| 02:49.38 | annma | I have to go now |
| 02:50.00 | annma | if the new user does not work either please add a coment to the bug report Psi-Jack |
| 02:50.23 | annma | via bugs.kde.org -> kswarm |
| 02:50.33 | annma | bye |
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| 02:50.54 | jhutchins | darn, missed him. |
| 02:51.09 | jhutchins | When I try to edit an entry in my address book, I get: |
| 02:51.10 | jhutchins | The resource '/home/jonathan/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf' is locked by application ''. |
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| 02:52.02 | jhutchins | Note that the application is blank. |
| 02:52.09 | jhutchins | I rebooted, still true. |
| 02:52.18 | jhutchins | At least rebooting Windows fixes stuff like that. |
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| 02:56.02 | Lazydog | jhutchins: not sure but you might want to look in your lock/subsystem for the lock file |
| 02:57.28 | jhutchins | /home/jonathan/.kde/share/apps/kabc/lock/ |
| 02:57.33 | jhutchins | Found and fixed. |
| 02:58.03 | jhutchins | If this #$^#$%$#^ application would clear ALL of it's lock files when it exits cleanly, we wouldn't have this problem. |
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| 03:12.21 | CVirus | do I need pyxdg for KDE ? |
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| 03:12.51 | solid_liq | hey, whatever happened to the KDE CVS Digest? |
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| 03:32.01 | Acey_Chea | is there a program with a gui in linux so i can check 2 see what processes are running |
| 03:33.44 | arrinmurr | Acey_Chea: ksysguard ? |
| 03:34.09 | Acey_Chea | thanks |
| 03:34.14 | Acey_Chea | i have the program already but hmmmmmmmm |
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| 03:35.56 | Acey_Chea | im running a firewall but its not showing up |
| 03:35.59 | Acey_Chea | but i know i am running one |
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| 03:36.12 | Acey_Chea | connection is slower / bit torrent is saying it |
| 03:36.27 | Acey_Chea | and when join in irc theres a small delay and that happens behind a firewall |
| 03:37.00 | Acey_Chea | 87 processes running |
| 03:39.09 | TeaSea | Acey_Chea: Firewalls generally don't show up in linux. |
| 03:39.09 | Acey_Chea | wtf i got like 2 and 3 of multiple shit running |
| 03:39.17 | TeaSea | They're designed to be unobtrusive and out of the way. |
| 03:39.27 | Acey_Chea | its doing just that |
| 03:39.40 | TeaSea | And yes, you will have multiples of apps running. Split threads and stuff. |
| 03:39.49 | Acey_Chea | i seeeee |
| 03:40.32 | Acey_Chea | any way i can get this firewall out |
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| 03:40.45 | Acey_Chea | well it doesnt even matter hmmmmm |
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| 03:41.25 | Zathman | how do i get my usb hard drive to show up in kde 3.5? I added myself to the plugdev group; I just init'd ivman and added it to the default run level |
| 03:41.34 | Zathman | shouldn't it just appear in media:/ ? |
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| 03:42.35 | NeoAlex | hi guys... I have a problem with kwifimanager |
| 03:42.53 | NeoAlex | it crashes when I click scan for networks |
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| 03:47.11 | DietrichR_ | kwifimanager sucks |
| 03:47.49 | Hobbsee | hehe it does rather |
| 03:48.03 | Hobbsee | NeoAlex: you can do that via the command line, if you prefer |
| 03:48.13 | NeoAlex | I know... that works |
| 03:48.19 | NeoAlex | but I don't prefer it :) |
| 03:48.49 | NeoAlex | I wanted something graphical that scans and then connects to a network I click on |
| 03:50.11 | NeoAlex | any ideas? |
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| 04:01.26 | Newnec1 | i have gentoo and wanted to install kde can someone guide me in the right direction |
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| 04:02.28 | smileaf | Newnec1: #gentoo is a start :) |
| 04:02.29 | Newnec1 | anyone please |
| 04:02.35 | Newnec1 | k thx |
| 04:03.49 | smileaf | tho i'd personally probably just do emerge kdebase-meta |
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| 04:26.48 | smileaf | heh.. loading resources from imap seems busted.... if I put all my calendar, tasks, contacts, etc in my local folder they load perfectly.. but when I put them on my imap account they fail to load. |
| 04:27.12 | smileaf | what fun =] |
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| 04:29.34 | Jahooty | i'm having a problem with konqueror: There was an error loading the module About-Page for Konqueror. |
| 04:29.35 | Jahooty | The diagnostics is: |
| 04:29.35 | Jahooty | /opt/kde3/lib64/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN6KParts10WindowArgsD1Ev |
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| 04:30.35 | Jahooty | anyone have any idea what happened? |
| 04:30.49 | smileaf | it went kaboom! |
| 04:31.02 | Jahooty | yeah. |
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| 04:31.31 | cfh_dev | Is it cool to ask kaffeine questions here? |
| 04:31.58 | smileaf | cfh_dev: you can ask alot of questions here. |
| 04:32.03 | BigBossSnakeX | Hmm. |
| 04:32.36 | cfh_dev | smileaf: What's the likelihood of kaffeine questions getting answered here? :) |
| 04:32.36 | smileaf | Jahooty: I assume that's a compile error? |
| 04:32.48 | Jahooty | no. i just tried to run konqueror |
| 04:32.56 | Jahooty | it's suse 10.0 on an amd64 |
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| 04:33.03 | smileaf | cfh_dev: depends, you using 0.4.3b ? :P (if not I can't answer it) |
| 04:33.06 | Jahooty | i dont mind compiling but i'm not brave enough to compile important stuff |
| 04:33.10 | BigBossSnakeX | Lol. |
| 04:33.30 | benJIman | Jahooty: sounds like you've upgraded Qt or something |
| 04:33.35 | benJIman | and using an older version of konqueror |
| 04:33.36 | cfh_dev | smileaf: nah, 0.7.1 on 3.5.1 |
| 04:33.43 | Jahooty | i might have |
| 04:33.45 | Jahooty | i'll check |
| 04:33.46 | benJIman | Jahooty: is this a vanilla install or have you done anythign to it? |
| 04:33.52 | smileaf | cfh_dev: I hate the new interface :/ |
| 04:33.56 | Jahooty | it's a few days old |
| 04:34.10 | Jahooty | i ran suse online update app |
| 04:34.26 | cfh_dev | smileaf: I just want to play a stinking dvd. |
| 04:34.40 | smileaf | cfh_dev: what is your error? |
| 04:34.43 | cfh_dev | I think I'm missing the css library. |
| 04:34.50 | cfh_dev | error reading nav packet |
| 04:35.08 | smileaf | libdvdcss? might have a bit of trouble playing encrypted dvds without it ;) |
| 04:35.22 | Jahooty | i have troubles with it |
| 04:35.26 | cfh_dev | smileaf: I'm trying to find where that resides in Ubuntu (dapper) |
| 04:35.51 | smileaf | cfh_dev: can't help you there. |
| 04:36.05 | smileaf | I run my own flavor :) |
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| 04:39.28 | stoddardka | how do i change the feel of kde? I picked kde on the initial confugration but now i want to set it to osx or windows |
| 04:40.09 | smileaf | stoddardka: you can just rerun that initial configuration if you'd like :) |
| 04:40.15 | stoddardka | how |
| 04:40.23 | smileaf | run the command kpersonalizer |
| 04:42.35 | cfh_dev | oh, sweet, sweet nectar. I found libdvdcss2 and have visual happiness. |
| 04:42.45 | stoddardka | lol |
| 04:42.54 | stoddardka | i gtg, bye |
| 04:43.01 | smileaf | almost mkes you sound like a bee :P |
| 04:44.25 | cfh_dev | smileaf: I was going for Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force. |
| 04:45.19 | smileaf | hmmm... build qt using old configurations, uninstall qt, install qt using new configurations, reinstall all of kde apps.. I certainly hope I got my new build script working right :) |
| 04:45.19 | smileaf | cfh_dev: never seen the show :) |
| 04:45.44 | cfh_dev | smileaf: good stuff. My wife calls it guy humor so that could explain my affinity to it. |
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| 04:45.58 | smileaf | ah.. I don't even own a TV :) |
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| 04:46.33 | smileaf | I use to.. but donated it being I hadn't used it in around 6 months. turned out they couldn't get color out of it tho :( |
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| 04:51.31 | the_slash | I get this really strange error when trying to open K3B or super karamba with KDE 3.4.3 on Gentoo |
| 04:51.59 | the_slash | Could not find application/octet-stream then another error saying "No mime types installed!" |
| 04:52.12 | the_slash | anyone know how to resolve this? it's really annoying |
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| 04:52.43 | smileaf | sounds like your install is a little busted :S |
| 04:52.59 | the_slash | I reinstalled it, but that didn't help either |
| 04:53.11 | smileaf | it might be something in your ~/.kde then. |
| 04:53.35 | smileaf | does it happen with a new user? |
| 04:53.36 | the_slash | It just started after I created a file association for jpegs to open with kview |
| 04:53.41 | the_slash | nope |
| 04:53.49 | smileaf | well.. there you have it then :) |
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| 04:54.04 | smileaf | you have a mis-configured.. something in your ~/.kde. |
| 04:54.12 | needsome | I got a small issue.. - er 2.. 1: crossover gave all my image files gay windows icons - stole my previews 2: right click on a file opens in default - very annoying | gentoo - kde 3.5.1 |
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| 04:58.01 | feindbild | needsome: isn't it funny ? just like stupid applications in windows that assume they are the most important thing on the system and overwrite everything ^^ |
| 04:58.21 | Jahooty | hey, with kde libraries do i have to end the session for changes to take effect/ |
| 04:58.25 | feindbild | s/overwrite/override/ |
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| 04:58.45 | needsome | yeah well .. I have poked around and deleted all the cx associations.. no luck |
| 04:58.52 | smileaf | Jahooty: you do have to restart the applications |
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| 04:59.19 | smileaf | Jahooty: in general it's just easier to restart KDE> |
| 04:59.20 | Jahooty | oh, i just figured out why konqueror hasnt' been restarting! i have a long download going |
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| 04:59.38 | needsome | can I just delete the associations config file (if so where is it?) |
| 05:00.55 | needsome | 'display file size in bytes' isn't that a bit outdated by oh.. 20 years? |
| 05:01.48 | smileaf | why would that be outdated? |
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| 05:08.39 | Jahooty | i may have to switch to Gnome! oh dear |
| 05:12.02 | Psi-Jack | Jahooty: Umm.. |
| 05:12.19 | CVirus | Jahooty: whats wrong ! |
| 05:12.35 | Jahooty | konqueror doesnt' work |
| 05:12.49 | CVirus | konqueror doesnt work == printer doesnt print |
| 05:12.59 | Psi-Jack | "konqueror doesnt' work" doesn't explain much. |
| 05:13.00 | CVirus | Jahooty: whats the damn error :-) ? |
| 05:13.12 | Jahooty | There was an error loading the module About-Page for Konqueror. |
| 05:13.12 | Jahooty | The diagnostics is: |
| 05:13.12 | Jahooty | /opt/kde3/lib64/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN6KParts10WindowArgsD1Ev |
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| 05:14.03 | CVirus | google says nothing |
| 05:14.10 | CVirus | Jahooty: what distro is that ? |
| 05:14.24 | CVirus | brb |
| 05:14.26 | Psi-Jack | Okay. ldd /opt/kde3/lib64/libkhtml.so.4 |
| 05:14.28 | Jahooty | There was an error loading the module About-Page for Konqueror. |
| 05:14.28 | Jahooty | The diagnostics is: |
| 05:14.29 | Jahooty | /opt/kde3/lib64/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN6KParts10WindowArgsD1Ev |
| 05:14.36 | Jahooty | oops |
| 05:14.56 | Jahooty | i just got a: Protocol not Supported http |
| 05:15.11 | Psi-Jack | Do that ldd. |
| 05:15.19 | Jahooty | ldd? |
| 05:15.31 | Psi-Jack | yeah, I just said it. :p |
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| 05:17.05 | Psi-Jack | Well, have you done it? |
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| 05:18.13 | Jahooty | didn't i say the distro? |
| 05:18.14 | colinb | quick question: what's the default desktop switch key combination? |
| 05:18.21 | Jahooty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.24 | Jahooty | sorry, thought i said it |
| 05:18.26 | Psi-Jack | Jahooty: No, you didn't. |
| 05:18.39 | Psi-Jack | But, you still haven't done the ldd I said to do. |
| 05:19.17 | bbeck | colinb: alt + F<NUMBER OF DESKTOP> |
| 05:19.27 | Jahooty | what is an ldd? |
| 05:19.59 | bbeck | colinb: sorry, ctrl + F<NUMBER OF DESKTOP> |
| 05:20.16 | colinb | bbeck: thanks :) |
| 05:20.19 | Psi-Jack | Jahooty: Okay. Maybe you should switch to the configuration obfuscating, registry re-implementing RedCrap empowered Gnome. Since you can't even read what's being suggested that you do, even when given the full command line to do so. |
| 05:21.17 | Jahooty | how much of the output do you want? |
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| 05:21.35 | Psi-Jack | Is there anything that doesn't have a library and version number, or "not found" type thing? |
| 05:22.04 | Jahooty | no |
| 05:23.20 | Jahooty | every line has a path to a library and waht looks like a memory adress at the end in parnethases |
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| 05:24.23 | Jahooty | wait |
| 05:24.39 | Jahooty | theres one line that only has the path, it doesnt fit the format of hte other lines |
| 05:25.23 | Jahooty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.23 | Jahooty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:28.05 | Psi-Jack | Looks fine to me, for a 64bit system. |
| 05:28.25 | Jahooty | sometimes i regret getting a 64 bit chip |
| 05:28.42 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, not everything properly supports it. |
| 05:28.57 | Jahooty | dependency trees are a serious pain |
| 05:29.07 | Psi-Jack | You may be lacking some packages for KDE, or just need to get updates for release fixes from SuSE. |
| 05:29.31 | Psi-Jack | Is that free SuSE, or did you buy it? |
| 05:29.49 | Jahooty | their update app has been acting wierd. it continually says there are updates but when i start up the app there are no updates in the list that need installing |
| 05:29.50 | Jahooty | free |
| 05:29.53 | Psi-Jack | That's another thing there. Free SuSE SUCKS. |
| 05:29.54 | Jahooty | not open, the eval disk |
| 05:30.31 | Jahooty | can a 32 bit kernel run on an amd64? |
| 05:30.57 | Psi-Jack | Yes. AMD64. |
| 05:31.18 | Jahooty | i just want to get rid of the 64 bit software entirely |
| 05:33.38 | Jahooty | i think i'll go buy it when 10.something is out on shelves |
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| 05:38.21 | Jahooty | thanks tho. for the help |
| 05:38.59 | needsome | brainfart question, where do I change how the mouse buttons behave? |
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| 05:42.53 | needsome | anyone? |
| 05:42.55 | needsome | :( |
| 05:43.42 | grepper | that is an X question probably |
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| 05:43.49 | grepper | depending on what you want to do |
| 05:44.31 | needsome | when I right click, it opens with the default app, I want my menu back |
| 05:45.51 | needsome | oh finally.. found it :) |
| 05:45.55 | grepper | desktop->behavior, in kcontrol |
| 05:46.13 | needsome | I did say it was a brainfart q |
| 05:46.14 | needsome | lol |
| 05:46.27 | grepper | np |
| 05:47.52 | needsome | odd.. the option hadn't changed, but I set it to nothing, then set it back and it was normal |
| 05:48.54 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, in Konq, how do I make it so I can single-click on files to select them? |
| 05:49.08 | needsome | where is the file associations data stored? |
| 05:51.10 | grepper | below ~/.kde/share/mimelnk and /usr/share/mimelnk |
| 05:51.36 | grepper | where ~/.kde is kde-config --localprefix |
| 05:51.50 | Psi-Jack | Anyone? |
| 05:51.59 | needsome | Psi-Jack, hold down ctrl :p |
| 05:52.15 | grepper | Psi-Jack: start clicking around in kcontrol :) |
| 05:52.25 | grepper | which is what I would have to do to tell you where it is |
| 05:52.32 | grepper | but it *is* there I assure you |
| 05:53.39 | Psi-Jack | grepper: I |
| 05:53.53 | Psi-Jack | I've been doing that within konqueror's direct configuration. |
| 05:54.56 | Psi-Jack | The problem is, I'm just not seeing it. I don't want to have to hold down control, like needsome suggested. |
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| 05:55.34 | grepper | peripherals->mouse |
| 05:55.58 | Psi-Jack | Oh geez.. |
| 05:56.04 | Psi-Jack | Where I would have never suspected it to be. :/ |
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| 05:57.37 | needsome | Settings -> Control Center -> Peripherals -> Mouse |
| 05:58.24 | needsome | what would happen if I trash kde's mimelink file? |
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| 06:00.28 | feindbild | needsome: the world as you know it will end |
| 06:00.50 | needsome | I doubt that |
| 06:01.16 | needsome | cause I just started kde as root and my file associations were rather perfect |
| 06:02.14 | Psi-Jack | Umm. |
| 06:02.16 | Psi-Jack | STUPID |
| 06:02.20 | Psi-Jack | STUPID IDIOT.. :p |
| 06:02.44 | Psi-Jack | Ahem. I'm done. You should never ever run things as root, unless it's administrative. |
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| 06:05.04 | ro28 | I set my KDE colour scheme for the root account to be big, bright and red, so there's no mistaking an app running as root |
| 06:05.10 | needsome | uhh I just ran it for like 20 seconds |
| 06:05.13 | ro28 | (since a few seem to need it, such as ethereal) |
| 06:05.17 | Psi-Jack | ro28: Hehehe |
| 06:05.58 | Psi-Jack | needsome: You ran X as root. That's bad enough. ;) |
| 06:06.01 | needsome | and I'm behind 5 levels of NAT and 3 firewalls.. not by choice but hey |
| 06:06.36 | needsome | it takes me 40ms just to get to my public gateway |
| 06:06.37 | Psi-Jack | Don't put your confidence into your NATs and firewalls. |
| 06:06.50 | needsome | oh I don't |
| 06:08.15 | Psi-Jack | Heh, okay. I mean, I can say, I'm behind two routers, one being a simple netgear router, and another, splitting out to the DMZ network from the server network, it being a custom embeded router of my own creation. But even I know it's potentially insecure. :) |
| 06:08.56 | needsome | yes yes, fabric will tear |
| 06:08.58 | needsome | :) |
| 06:09.02 | Psi-Jack | Even though I've only ever been successfully penetrated one time in my entire life. And ironically, it was a stock install of an old SuSE Linux I'd gotten through Cheap Bytes. :) |
| 06:09.15 | needsome | HEH! |
| 06:09.31 | needsome | they still only update twice a year? |
| 06:09.33 | needsome | lol |
| 06:09.34 | Psi-Jack | Someone busted through NFS within like, 2 days, or something? If even that long. |
| 06:09.42 | Psi-Jack | I dunno. I never used SuSE since. |
| 06:09.49 | needsome | lol |
| 06:10.01 | Psi-Jack | Installing an exploitable version of NFS by default, without any questioned asked about it, was just wrong. |
| 06:10.28 | needsome | *nod* |
| 06:10.36 | Psi-Jack | I saw two things when I noticed it. a wall message, "a darker side of nowhere", and a ps ax revealed rm -rf / |
| 06:11.04 | Psi-Jack | Oh yeah. |
| 06:11.12 | needsome | oh man |
| 06:11.15 | needsome | haha |
| 06:11.18 | Psi-Jack | AND the fact, NFS, pre-installed, with exports opening up / |
| 06:11.24 | Psi-Jack | ALL of / |
| 06:11.29 | needsome | oh thats lovely |
| 06:11.37 | Psi-Jack | So yeah. I'll never use SuSE ever. |
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| 06:13.07 | needsome | so how's the weather down south right now? |
| 06:13.19 | Psi-Jack | Actually not bad. |
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| 06:13.57 | needsome | 55, cloudy, window, gonna rain and freeze tomorrow .. (DFW) |
| 06:14.03 | Psi-Jack | Hmm. I think qemu's locked up. heh |
| 06:14.06 | needsome | *wind |
| 06:14.21 | Psi-Jack | Windows 2000 has been sitting here, 100% on detecting hardware, for the past 2 - 3 hours. |
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| 06:14.52 | needsome | I tried qemu.. I only tried xp, but it was 1/4th the speed of vmware |
| 06:15.06 | needsome | even with the kernel module |
| 06:15.21 | needsome | tried all kinds of timer freq's |
| 06:15.26 | Psi-Jack | For some reason, my kernel module udev node isn't getting created. |
| 06:15.48 | Psi-Jack | For me, it doesn't need to be fast. Just work. |
| 06:15.56 | needsome | ahh.. yeah I had to create mine manually |
| 06:16.06 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, |
| 06:16.14 | Psi-Jack | On Gentoo? |
| 06:16.39 | needsome | *nod* gentoo-source 2.6.15-r1 |
| 06:16.51 | needsome | and .14 something |
| 06:16.58 | needsome | using udev |
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| 06:17.41 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, strange. |
| 06:18.00 | Psi-Jack | How did you create it? |
| 06:18.29 | needsome | mknod |
| 06:18.48 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, but what commands? |
| 06:19.03 | needsome | lol.. :p googling for it |
| 06:19.48 | Psi-Jack | Ahh, I found it. |
| 06:19.57 | needsome | mknod /dev/kqemu c 250 0 |
| 06:20.10 | Psi-Jack | Yeah. Ironically found it on a debian-oriented site. hehe |
| 06:20.12 | needsome | bah.. slow connection :( |
| 06:20.24 | Psi-Jack | <- Uber super fast cable connection. :D |
| 06:20.32 | needsome | yeah I noticed |
| 06:20.57 | Psi-Jack | I usually get about 600kB/s down, and 200kB/sec up. |
| 06:21.15 | needsome | man, I went down to Ft. Hood and visited a friend, she had 6mb / 1mb |
| 06:21.37 | needsome | I downloaded mirc and by the time I clicked save it was done |
| 06:21.39 | needsome | lol |
| 06:21.58 | needsome | thats umm 1.5mb or so |
| 06:22.52 | needsome | broadband is so overpriced in the states - except in the east coast MAN belt |
| 06:23.02 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, 6mbit is what I get. But don't get the full 768kB/s out of it. |
| 06:23.28 | Psi-Jack | But, I do get my 1.5mbit up. |
| 06:23.31 | needsome | all you can get here is a crappy 3mb.. that runs like 1mb |
| 06:23.44 | Psi-Jack | Actually, slightly faster than 1.5. heh |
| 06:23.52 | needsome | FIOS should be availible in 2-3 months though |
| 06:23.56 | Psi-Jack | That's charter crap for ya. |
| 06:24.41 | needsome | yeah.. when the cable guy came to give us our 'basic' service, he forgot to put the rf blocker, so we get the extended package for the basic price :) |
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| 06:25.23 | needsome | they just hiked the rates too.. was 14, now it's 20 |
| 06:25.49 | Psi-Jack | Heh |
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| 06:26.36 | prurigro | hey, anyone know the specific kde package or possibly configure flag that would allow konqueror to create new folders? I'm using gentoo's split ebuilds so I know this isn't the first place to ask this question, but google has nothing and gentoo irc frequenters dont know anything... |
| 06:27.00 | prurigro | right now all I get is create new link to device (in the new option on right click) |
| 06:27.38 | needsome | prurigro, uhh just upgrade to 3.5? |
| 06:27.40 | feindbild | gentoo is fun =) |
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| 06:28.03 | prurigro | needsome: its been like that for two installs all the way back from 3.4 I believe |
| 06:28.10 | prurigro | I was just too lazy to fix it :) |
| 06:28.26 | prurigro | and lol it is, and its nice cuz I use xfce /w kde capabilities so I dont need the whole thing installed |
| 06:28.37 | prurigro | but this one thing has me stuck |
| 06:28.44 | needsome | prurigro, how about you delete your ~.kde folder |
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| 06:29.11 | prurigro | needsome: it was like this on my previous install too, and I formatted... |
| 06:29.47 | needsome | well it's not a kde problem sounds like |
| 06:30.28 | prurigro | needsome: no.. I think its just when the ebuilds got split konqueror didn't pull whatever it uses to do that.. tho you are right, it sounds like a weird thing for all file operations to work other than creating new folders |
| 06:30.31 | prurigro | you think its a gentoo prob? |
| 06:30.52 | prurigro | no = agreeing with you btw, on it not being a kde prob |
| 06:30.58 | prurigro | but rather a split ebuild deal |
| 06:31.02 | prurigro | but yea, maybe I'll just wait it out |
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| 06:32.08 | feindbild | messed up (split) ebuilds are not a kde problem. |
| 06:32.19 | prurigro | naw, its definitely a gentoo prob |
| 06:32.32 | prurigro | prob is gentoo doesn't really know- at least the people in irc |
| 06:32.35 | needsome | yah blame canada |
| 06:32.39 | needsome | err.. |
| 06:32.44 | prurigro | hey, canadas cool :P |
| 06:33.05 | needsome | yeah I would love to visit |
| 06:33.10 | feindbild | the first thing that usually happens when somebody has a messed up problem with kde is that he gets sent to #suse or #gentoo ^^ |
| 06:33.19 | prurigro | hmmm, its actually pretty boring lol- maybe check out BC, they got all the cool stuff |
| 06:33.31 | needsome | or move north-east so I can just roadtrip up on weekends |
| 06:33.56 | prurigro | feindbild: I've tried for about a week in gentoo, all times of the day- I'm guessing its a bug tho, not something that can be fixed or more people would have solutions hm |
| 06:34.06 | needsome | well if 20 year olds can drink, it's gonna be more fun than america |
| 06:34.13 | prurigro | needsome: the east side is the less interesting side |
| 06:34.20 | prurigro | tho lol, 18 year olds can drink in quebec |
| 06:34.26 | prurigro | mind you quebec is pretty dirty too |
| 06:34.32 | prurigro | but heyy, you give and take right? |
| 06:34.35 | needsome | oh quebec sounds nice |
| 06:34.37 | prurigro | lol |
| 06:34.47 | feindbild | 16 year olds can drink in germany ... =D |
| 06:34.50 | prurigro | montreal is where its at apparently, like the somewhat english speaking quebec |
| 06:34.51 | prurigro | and wow |
| 06:34.56 | needsome | move to Oregon with the trees |
| 06:35.09 | prurigro | I hear the lower drinking age in european countries actually leads to less alcoholism |
| 06:35.19 | feindbild | prurigro: true. |
| 06:35.46 | needsome | yeah.. dr phil could tell you that |
| 06:35.51 | prurigro | lol |
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| 06:36.02 | prurigro | last time I watched dr phil he was screaming "your fat" at some fat chick and she was crying |
| 06:36.12 | feindbild | prurigro: just like the fact that canabis is legal in the netherlands leads to less people smoking it than in other countries ^^ |
| 06:36.43 | prurigro | feindbild: haha, and then you have canada where they keep it illegal but make it noncriminal, so everyone does it-- you def gotta go one way or the other on that one |
| 06:37.24 | prurigro | a guy I met once from amsterdam was like one of the heaviest duty pot smokers I've met tho, so it doesn't work like that everywhere |
| 06:38.21 | needsome | well here in america, the country is financed on drug trading (thanks to the CIA) and business mergers |
| 06:38.22 | prurigro | anyway, I gotta get some sleep-- good talking to you both and thx for the initial interest in my stupid prob ;) |
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| 06:38.45 | prurigro | needsome: I've heard that, but how much is conspiracy i asks ya!? anyway, night gents |
| 06:38.58 | needsome | you know why gas is so high here? cause we ran out of fossil fuels back in the 70's |
| 06:39.17 | prurigro | you get a LOT from canada, and canada gets a LOT from the middle east, its kinda weird |
| 06:39.22 | feindbild | it's always fun when the truth becomes so obscure that nobody belives it =) |
| 06:39.34 | prurigro | you mean when bush gets into office? |
| 06:39.36 | prurigro | *cough* |
| 06:39.37 | needsome | so we brought in cocaine to aquire hard assets of liquid cash so we could be cool |
| 06:40.11 | prurigro | I actually like america, its pretty entertaining to have a country like it around |
| 06:40.14 | prurigro | makes for conversation |
| 06:40.38 | feindbild | prurigro: and bets which country gets bombed next =) |
| 06:40.38 | prurigro | anyway, I really gotta go to bed :( gf just climbed in with a look of anger on her face |
| 06:40.42 | needsome | yeah bush sucks.. his family and friends created comapnies ( like the carlisle group) to launder drug money made by the cia |
| 06:40.46 | prurigro | feindbild: lol |
| 06:40.55 | prurigro | syria ;) |
| 06:40.56 | prurigro | night |
| 06:41.14 | needsome | it's gonna be countries ending in "stan" |
| 06:41.28 | needsome | cause thats where the oil is |
| 06:41.31 | Psi-Jack | I wish Kaffeine would make full-screen auto-hiding controls. :/ |
| 06:41.54 | feindbild | needsome: i though because of the a in 'stan' and Al-Quaida ? |
| 06:42.40 | needsome | you know what we were doing in afganistan? empowering contracted opium farmers |
| 06:42.56 | needsome | I need a cig |
| 06:42.58 | needsome | brb |
| 06:44.08 | feindbild | needsome: I thought liberating the people and freeing them from cruel torture ... by killing them ... |
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| 06:58.28 | needsome | yeah don't get me startedx |
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| 07:06.55 | biello | hi there.. |
| 07:07.19 | biello | how do I install the Bootsplash Screen avaible on kde-look.org? |
| 07:07.40 | Psi-Jack | Heh, geez. KDE's got it's own bootsplash now, too? |
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| 07:11.26 | seasonfive | hi ppl. Where is the component which manage configuration inside KDE ? I think its "KConfig" (which will become KConfigXT) but where can i found source code ? Is it inside the main KDE source code ? |
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| 07:14.36 | sredna | seasonfive: Kcontrol |
| 07:16.12 | sredna | seasonfive: KConfig is a class that applications use to access their configuration data, and KConfigXT is part of a system that allows developers to define their configuration data in XML and have the correcponding KConfig object wrapped ina easy to access (for the developer) wrapper |
| 07:16.44 | sredna | seasonfive: KConfig & friends is in kdelibs/kdecore, while kcontrol is in kdebase |
| 07:17.12 | sredna | biello: Isn't there a how to install link? |
| 07:17.20 | seasonfive | sredna: great, thanks a lot ! |
| 07:17.43 | needsome | anyway to add a "search google for (highlighted text)" menu to konsole ? |
| 07:17.43 | biello | sredna: didn't find it... i want to install that fingerprint thing... |
| 07:17.57 | sredna | biello: Which? |
| 07:18.25 | biello | sredna: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29662 |
| 07:19.22 | seasonfive | sredna: is there a doc or something about writing new backend for KConfig ? |
| 07:20.30 | sredna | seasonfive: If so, it would be listed at http://developer.kde.org |
| 07:20.42 | sredna | biello: Read the bootsplash documentation |
| 07:21.01 | seasonfive | sredna: i'll look. thanks again. |
| 07:21.53 | sredna | biello: I'm using fbsplash since a long time, but its a quesiton of copying the directory somewhere like /etc/bootsplash/themes and editing your boot command line, and optionally adding the image and config to your initrd |
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| 07:22.21 | needsome | fbslash has come a long way, it even edit's ur boot loader files for ya |
| 07:23.09 | biello | sredna: fbsplash.. hum.. i'll search for it ;-) thanks |
| 07:23.34 | sredna | biello: There is a small difference between bootsplash and fbsplash |
| 07:23.44 | sredna | biello: So look for the documentation for the system you actually use |
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| 07:24.07 | sredna | I'm personally not aware of other distros than gentoo using fbsplash yet |
| 07:24.17 | biello | i guess slack uses bootsplash |
| 07:24.21 | sredna | Yes |
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| 07:24.36 | sredna | There is a website somewhere that explains how it works |
| 07:28.09 | needsome | just the basic help from the binaries was enough for mew |
| 07:29.18 | biello | sredna: i found it ;-) thanks |
| 07:29.28 | sredna | biello: Good :) |
| 07:30.03 | sredna | Fbsplash is awsome :) |
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| 07:32.32 | needsome | superkaramba is reporting stuff is installed on the get new stuff, but it is not in the regular menu where you add it to the desktop |
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| 07:55.27 | biello | sredna: hi again... |
| 07:55.35 | sredna | Re :) |
| 07:55.40 | sredna | Now with bootsplash? |
| 07:56.05 | biello | not yet.. something goes wrong... i think that before that I'll just do the KDM theme.. |
| 07:56.11 | biello | but still with problems.. :S |
| 07:56.14 | biello | 'login-scan 'fusion'' as kdm-theme |
| 07:57.04 | biello | in README it says: install the theme in KDE Control Center -> System Administration -> kdmtheme but I don't have this "kdmtheme" in System Administration.. any idea? |
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| 07:59.02 | needsome | it's in look and feel .. |
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| 07:59.27 | needsome | no.. appearance and themes > theme manager |
| 08:00.31 | biello | needsome: don't know if it's the same.. cause this theme I want is for KDM.. |
| 08:01.03 | needsome | system admin > login manager |
| 08:01.29 | biello | this one I have.. but how do I install a theme on it!?! |
| 08:01.36 | needsome | oh hell my mind is so crowded right now |
| 08:01.45 | needsome | I dunno man.. brb |
| 08:02.02 | biello | hhehe.. that's ok ;-) |
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| 08:06.10 | biello | found it.. had to edit /opt/kde/share/config/kdm/kdmrc |
| 08:06.12 | biello | thanks |
| 08:07.23 | stjepan | I have got some cool fonts |
| 08:07.37 | stjepan | they are *.pfm and *pfb |
| 08:07.45 | stjepan | why doesnt KDE recognize them? :( |
| 08:08.56 | PhilRod | probably because X doesn't recognize them |
| 08:12.35 | stjepan | PhilRod: so what to do? |
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| 08:13.47 | PhilRod | stjepan: did you install the fonts? if so, how? |
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| 08:21.37 | Psi-Jack | PhilRod: Actually. |
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| 08:21.52 | Psi-Jack | PhilRod: X doesn't have to recognize them, because KDE uses fontconfig. |
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| 08:26.34 | PhilRod | Psi-Jack: hrm, fonts are a black box to me. |
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| 08:29.16 | Psi-Jack | PhilRod: Heh. Don't worry. They are to pretty much just about everyone. I've been asking around for years, literally, specific things I /know/ X can do, font-wise, but nobody ever knows. |
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| 08:38.57 | Psi-Jack | But, there are certainties right now about fonts in X, Qt, KDE, Gnome, and GTK+ 2. KDE, GTK+ 2, and Gnome, I know for sure, all use fontconfig for fonts. Which is a better way to do them. ;) |
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| 09:44.21 | nitishp | Hello. |
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| 10:01.43 | Borut | hello |
| 10:01.52 | Borut | please fix bug KPDF 0.5.1, http://www.era.pl/download/cenniki/ETT_cennik_uslug_dod_Happy6.pdf |
| 10:02.07 | Borut | im write from Poland |
| 10:03.02 | pinotree | hello Borut |
| 10:03.14 | pinotree | you can use the kde bug reporting tool |
| 10:03.21 | pinotree | and report the issue |
| 10:03.29 | pinotree | http://bugs.kde.org |
| 10:03.59 | Borut | I thought that it is possible to report here :) |
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| 10:06.36 | PhilRod | that file looks fine in kpdf here. What's the problem? |
| 10:06.59 | PhilRod | (granted, I don't know polish, so it could be wrong and I wouldn't know) |
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| 10:12.08 | msamulinski | yo |
| 10:13.13 | PhilRod | hi msamulinski |
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| 10:20.36 | msamulinski | www.thecrims.com |
| 10:20.40 | msamulinski | good game |
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| 10:22.30 | PhilRod | Borut: |
| 10:22.38 | PhilRod | <PhilRod> that file looks fine in kpdf here. What's the problem? |
| 10:22.38 | PhilRod | <PhilRod> (granted, I don't know polish, so it could be wrong and I wouldn't know) |
| 10:23.02 | Borut | yes |
| 10:24.16 | Borut | Please open http://www.era.pl/download/cenniki/ETT_cennik_uslug_dod_Happy6.pdf and look :) |
| 10:26.27 | qupada | Borut: my kpdf opens it fine too, the problem is i can't read a word of it, i only know english |
| 10:26.44 | PhilRod | Borut: what is wrong? |
| 10:26.52 | PhilRod | it looks fine here |
| 10:27.36 | Borut | momento |
| 10:28.23 | Borut | Document is in polish but shows strange signs at I |
| 10:29.09 | PhilRod | please give an example |
| 10:29.19 | PhilRod | or a screenshot |
| 10:29.23 | Borut | ok |
| 10:29.32 | msamulinski | polska rulez |
| 10:29.40 | Borut | please moment |
| 10:29.55 | msamulinski | polish żule |
| 10:30.09 | Borut | taa |
| 10:31.11 | msamulinski | kto tu jjest polakiem? |
| 10:31.17 | Borut | ja |
| 10:31.20 | Borut | ja jestem |
| 10:31.25 | msamulinski | dobrze |
| 10:31.50 | msamulinski | z nikim niemoge sie tu dogadać |
| 10:32.03 | Borut | PhilRod please mail |
| 10:32.08 | Borut | ja tez |
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| 10:32.59 | PhilRod | Borut: use imageshack.us |
| 10:33.07 | Borut | aha ok |
| 10:35.26 | Borut | http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8321/zrzutekranu34in.png |
| 10:36.24 | Borut | Give photos more? |
| 10:36.35 | PhilRod | no, that's OK |
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| 10:36.57 | PhilRod | the pdf file displays correctly here. I don't know why yours isn't correct |
| 10:37.04 | qupada | i see... that's a little different to mine |
| 10:37.17 | PhilRod | Borut: does it display correctly in xpdf or gv for you? |
| 10:38.23 | Borut | programm xpdf display ok |
| 10:39.15 | Borut | But that is with KPDF? |
| 10:39.17 | PhilRod | qupada: what kde/kpdf version do you have? I've got 3.5-branch here, so it could be a post-3.5.1 fix |
| 10:39.26 | PhilRod | though I suspect an installation problem |
| 10:39.36 | qupada | i've got 3.5.1 release |
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| 10:40.02 | Borut | i have latest version |
| 10:40.18 | Borut | please link for latest KPDF |
| 10:40.20 | Borut | ?? |
| 10:40.34 | Xemanth^ | do you peeps know how can i remove window 'upper block' which has window name and resize and close buttons, without removing window borders |
| 10:40.43 | Xemanth^ | whats its name? |
| 10:40.59 | choisyjc | the title bar? |
| 10:41.33 | PhilRod | find a window decoration style that doesn't have a titlebar |
| 10:41.46 | Xemanth^ | yeah title bar |
| 10:41.50 | qupada | i assume this is this is the expected rendering of that pdf: http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kpdf9jp.png |
| 10:41.50 | Xemanth^ | i've tried :| |
| 10:42.02 | Xemanth^ | PhilRod: i've tried to find |
| 10:42.20 | Xemanth^ | i wanna have for mplayer video window that kind of decoration |
| 10:43.27 | qupada | Xemanth^: my mplayer windows have titlebars, what mplayer front end do you have? |
| 10:44.04 | PhilRod | oh, if you only want it for one application, you can use special window settings |
| 10:44.43 | Xemanth^ | qupada: gmplayer default frontend |
| 10:44.53 | Xemanth^ | and i use kde 3.5.1 |
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| 10:45.04 | Borut | Everything there is at you ok. :| |
| 10:45.08 | qupada | Xemanth^: my gmplayer has a titlebar... that's off |
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| 10:45.10 | qupada | odd* |
| 10:45.42 | Xemanth^ | qupada: exactly video output window has titlebar :D i want it off :| but that i have borders still |
| 10:46.23 | qupada | sorry, i misread you. i thought you said you did have that in mplayer, not you want it in mplayer |
| 10:46.51 | Xemanth^ | qupada: now i'm confused :D |
| 10:47.08 | PhilRod | why do you want the borders? if it's just for moving the window, you can do that with Alt+left mouse button |
| 10:47.12 | Xemanth^ | qupada: i want video output title bar off |
| 10:47.20 | qupada | Xemanth^: never mind then, was my mistake, i understand what you mean now |
| 10:48.02 | Borut | qupada: What you have version KPDF?? |
| 10:48.04 | Xemanth^ | PhilRod: resizing window |
| 10:48.24 | Xemanth^ | sometimes it takes too much kvirc/irssi space :) |
| 10:48.27 | qupada | Borut: 3.5.1 |
| 10:48.40 | PhilRod | Xemanth^: Alt+right-drag |
| 10:48.52 | PhilRod | but I guess there's an mplayer shortcut to double/halve the window size |
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| 10:49.22 | Xemanth^ | PhilRod: dude i know how to drag ^^ i just want the title bar off, i don't need it in vide output window ^ |
| 10:49.31 | Xemanth^ | video* |
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| 10:51.37 | Xemanth^ | PhilRod: alt+right-drag ? you can just move that video output window with mouse and drag it :> i don't need to push alt :) |
| 10:52.10 | PhilRod | ok, I wasn't very clear: you can get rid of the titlebar *and* the borders with "special window settings" from the window menu. I don't know if those settings provide a way to remove *just* the titlebar (but take a look). You can retain all the functionality of the border with the nice mouse shortcuts |
| 10:52.37 | PhilRod | alt+*right*-drag (by default) resizes the window, which is something you'd usually do with the border |
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| 10:55.52 | Worf | can one tell me where the the "Application Preference Order" is saved? ( i want to make some settings global on a bunch of pcs, and i simply don't find where it's being saved to ) |
| 10:56.32 | Xemanth^ | lol this was bad, i selected "splash screen" as window type and now window dissappeared somewhere :D |
| 10:57.25 | Xemanth^ | PhilRod: i know too that i can get rid of title bar and borders but i want only that titlebar off |
| 10:57.56 | qupada | Xemanth^: you've got yourself a great "cake and eat it too" situation there... you can't have it both ways |
| 10:59.00 | Xemanth^ | qupada: yop :/ now i have problem that how can i get video output window back :D |
| 10:59.47 | qupada | Xemanth^: open window-specific settings in kcontrol and turn off whatever option you broke it with, control+c or killall -9 mplayer, then restart it |
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| 11:00.04 | PhilRod | Worf: hrm, good question - I can't find it |
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| 11:02.55 | Xemanth^ | qupada: yop found it |
| 11:03.29 | Xemanth^ | ok i use no borders then :| |
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| 11:05.28 | PhilRod | Worf: aha, ~/.kde/share/config/profilerc |
| 11:05.31 | PhilRod | by the looks of it |
| 11:06.17 | Worf | PhilRod: oh, yeah - seems so. thanks for the hint |
| 11:06.46 | Worf | PhilRod: hmm - this is hell to administrate |
| 11:08.44 | Worf | PhilRod: and it needs a entry in .local/share/applications ... and the icons and descriptions are in .kde/share/mimelnk/application ... |
| 11:09.14 | PhilRod | you can use the global versions of those directories |
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| 11:10.03 | PhilRod | eg ~/.kde <=> $KDEDIR |
| 11:10.20 | PhilRod | ~/.local <=> $XDG_DATA_DIRS (I think) |
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| 11:10.47 | PhilRod | the directory structures within those mirror each other |
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| 11:10.51 | PhilRod | ~sysadmin |
| 11:10.52 | apt | You can find lots of information useful to sysadmins at http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin and in the User Guide at http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/kde-for-administrators.html |
| 11:11.07 | PhilRod | Worf: I guess you read all that already, but in case you didn't, there it is :-) |
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| 11:15.32 | Worf | PhilRod: yeah, that stuff i know - basically - it's just that i sense lots of troubles when trying to mess with the order... |
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| 11:16.33 | PhilRod | if the apps installed on the PCs are all the same, do you still need to fiddle with ~/.local? |
| 11:16.47 | PhilRod | and ~/.kde/share/mimelnk |
| 11:17.09 | Worf | nah - except that i should delete old users settings that are obsolete maybe |
| 11:17.18 | Worf | i mean the file you pointed me to |
| 11:17.43 | Worf | the syntax in there ... i don't think i like that ... :) |
| 11:17.52 | PhilRod | oh yeah, it looked a bit horrendous |
| 11:18.10 | PhilRod | kwriteconfig might make it easier to deal with |
| 11:18.29 | Worf | imagine you have one for the user and one global... the user might have changed it allready... i don't wana think about it |
| 11:18.50 | PhilRod | you could make the global one immutable |
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| 11:19.05 | PhilRod | I think that would then override it, would it? (kiosk and stuff) |
| 11:19.27 | PhilRod | unless you *want* the user setting to override it |
| 11:20.43 | Worf | i'll ponder about that... :) |
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| 11:23.09 | Garda | has anyone here setup tightvnc on debain |
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| 11:24.21 | Garda | i can log on |
| 11:24.40 | Garda | but i just get the ugly grey screen before the window manager comes on |
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| 11:26.14 | PhilRod | tightvnc isn't a kde app, so you're best off asking in #vnc (if it exists) or #debian |
| 11:26.22 | PhilRod | or maybe even #linuxhelp |
| 11:27.01 | Garda | ok |
| 11:27.03 | Garda | thanks |
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| 11:29.07 | xpato | i just update to suse10.1 with apt (from suse10) and now i cant loging to kde |
| 11:29.26 | xpato | i cant start twm, by hand, and luch kde's apps |
| 11:29.39 | PhilRod | what happens when you try to log in |
| 11:29.56 | xpato | first i got a message like: KSyscoca :: No database Found |
| 11:30.17 | xpato | PhilRod, the splash screen sits for ever |
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| 11:31.15 | PhilRod | create a new user. Try to log in as that user. What happens? |
| 11:32.51 | xpato | wait, in going try thar |
| 11:32.53 | xpato | that |
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| 11:45.04 | xpato | back again |
| 11:45.08 | xpato | nothing happens |
| 11:45.20 | xpato | i get in the splash screen |
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| 11:45.33 | xpato | no in twm i can excute kdesktop and load it |
| 11:45.43 | xpato | i cannot exec kwin |
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| 11:48.22 | xpato | i did get "xset: bad fon element" |
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| 11:48.40 | xpato | "Directory missin fonts.dir" |
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| 11:56.21 | Trav26 | salvee |
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| 12:10.52 | JmGV | I have a little problem |
| 12:11.03 | JmGV | i go to kcontrol to adjust the fonts |
| 12:11.22 | JmGV | but application which dont belong to kde arent affected |
| 12:11.39 | JmGV | is there anyway to put fonts in gnome application under kde a lillte smaller? |
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| 12:12.43 | pinotree | JmGV: no |
| 12:13.05 | pinotree | JmGV: fonts for gtk/gnome apps have to be changes via gnome-control-center |
| 12:15.17 | qupada | JmGV: you can install the gtk-qt theme engine |
| 12:15.39 | qupada | JmGV: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt |
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| 12:33.02 | Borut | qupada ?? |
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| 12:33.37 | qupada | Borut: yeah, i'm here |
| 12:33.48 | Borut | Have you what versions KPDF? |
| 12:34.07 | qupada | 3.5.1 |
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| 12:34.55 | Borut | It walks about number of version me but not KDE :) |
| 12:35.42 | Borut | 0.5.1?? |
| 12:35.48 | qupada | well kpdf 0.5.1, but i got it from kdegraphics-3.5.1.tar.bz2 |
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| 12:37.41 | Borut | aha |
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| 12:40.19 | Borut | I have installed kdegraphics and it has corrected nothing KPDF. It just |
| 12:40.21 | Borut | :/ |
| 12:40.57 | qupada | Borut: are you using linux? |
| 12:41.11 | Borut | Kubuntu 5.10 |
| 12:42.34 | Borut | + official update |
| 12:43.04 | hussam | hey, i'm on kde 3.5.1, in kmail, i moved an empty folder to the trash. how can I delete that folder from the trash. |
| 12:43.38 | hussam | ? |
| 12:43.44 | qupada | Borut: i'm looking through the list of things kpdf uses (at least the things gentoo says it's using), will see if there is anything there that you might need to upgrade |
| 12:45.23 | Borut | ok |
| 12:45.59 | qupada | Borut: the only thing i can think it might be is a library called 'poppler' |
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| 12:46.27 | qupada | nothing else seems terribly likely |
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| 12:47.13 | stoddardka | hey |
| 12:47.27 | djk_ | how many decimal places can kcalc provide? |
| 12:47.33 | stoddardka | Why does amarok keep autoswitching the tabs? its irritating as hell |
| 12:48.06 | Fleck | stoddardka configure it |
| 12:48.11 | stoddardka | I'm reading lyrics then all the sudden it switches to the main tab |
| 12:48.18 | Fleck | ;p |
| 12:48.32 | stoddardka | Fleck: like how? |
| 12:48.38 | Fleck | stoddardka in Settings menu |
| 12:48.41 | Fleck | configure amarok |
| 12:48.47 | Fleck | and under General |
| 12:49.18 | Fleck | Switch to Context Browser on track change |
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| 12:50.31 | stoddardka | Fleck: i configured it and it still happens |
| 12:50.38 | stoddardka | Fleck: its like a timed thing |
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| 12:51.03 | stoddardka | yea |
| 12:51.07 | stoddardka | i count 15 seconds |
| 12:51.24 | stoddardka | it auto-switches to the "home" tab |
| 12:52.15 | stoddardka | Fleck: you there? |
| 12:52.20 | Fleck | yep |
| 12:52.21 | Fleck | dunno |
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| 12:52.28 | stoddardka | Fleck: you try it? |
| 12:52.37 | Fleck | i use amarok - i like it |
| 12:52.43 | stoddardka | Fleck: try reading some lyrics while playing music |
| 12:52.45 | Fleck | works gread |
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| 12:52.50 | Fleck | great |
| 12:52.50 | stoddardka | Fleck: give it 15 secs |
| 12:53.03 | Fleck | stoddardka i did :) works normally! |
| 12:53.11 | stoddardka | Fleck: give it somet ime? |
| 12:53.58 | Fleck | yep |
| 12:54.01 | stoddardka | Fleck: you think its because i havent built my collection? |
| 12:54.02 | Fleck | works great |
| 12:54.08 | Fleck | dunno |
| 12:54.21 | stoddardka | Fleck: wish I had a collection to build lol |
| 12:54.21 | Fleck | try to restart amarok :) |
| 12:54.26 | Fleck | upgrade ... |
| 12:54.33 | stoddardka | using latest |
| 12:54.41 | stoddardka | not svn but latest official |
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| 12:55.21 | xpato | i have problem starting kde |
| 12:55.29 | xpato | im using opensuse 10.1 |
| 12:56.03 | xpato | i get the kdm, but when i login i only stay at the splash screen |
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| 13:00.14 | Borut | qupada: I have installed libraries popper and zero of correction ;( Probably, uninstall KPDF and begin using something other :/ |
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| 13:01.44 | qupada | Borut: have you considered just using the official adobe pdf viewer? |
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| 13:02.02 | UBU | fala ae galera blz? |
| 13:02.02 | stoddardka | argh it still does it |
| 13:02.05 | stoddardka | i hate amarok |
| 13:02.08 | stoddardka | stabs |
| 13:02.13 | qupada | Borut: the adobe one has a browser plugin and everything |
| 13:02.39 | Borut | ok |
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| 13:03.32 | xpato | i get the kdm, but when i login i only stay at the splash screen |
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| 13:08.52 | djk_ | how many decimal places can kcalc provide with its 96bit double precision? |
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| 13:10.12 | Borut | qupada: I thank for assistance ;) |
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| 13:14.25 | Yalla-One | greetings |
| 13:15.39 | Yalla-One | Question: KMail starts automatically on login. There's no KMail link in ~/.kde/Autostart, and KDE is set to login on a clear session (not resume anything) on login. This only affects one user (does not have root password) - where else does KDE store login-task-related information to avoid KMail to be loaded on login in KDE 3.5.1 ? |
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| 13:28.54 | hussam | Hey, i'm on kde 3.5.1 In kmail, i moved an empty folder to the trash. How can I delete that folder from the trash? |
| 13:29.17 | PhilRod | select it, then folder->delete |
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| 13:30.33 | hussam | PhilRod: Ok thanks, that worked. I was trying to use the delete button on the keyboard instead |
| 13:32.57 | Yalla-One | Anyone know where KDE looks to which applications to start when a user logs in, apart from ~/.kde/Autostart and session resume (which is turned off) ? |
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| 13:34.14 | PhilRod | Yalla-One: ~/.kde/env |
| 13:34.39 | PhilRod | but I'd guess there's something lying around in your saved n |
| 13:34.47 | PhilRod | s/n$/session/ |
| 13:35.23 | Yalla-One | PhilRod, Thanks for replying - I have no ~/.kde/env directory (only the normal symlinks to /tmp and share and Autostart) . Also - I've set KDE up not to restore a saved session (never used it, been on KDE for 18 months) |
| 13:36.04 | Yalla-One | PhilRod, I have also completely nuked (rm -rf) all the cache- , socket- and tmp- directories to be safe, but to no success |
| 13:36.23 | PhilRod | look in ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc to see if there's anything saved there |
| 13:36.35 | PhilRod | you might want to just rename that file, restart KDE and see what happens |
| 13:37.18 | PhilRod | there's also ~/.kde/share/config/session/ , but I don't really know what it does |
| 13:37.30 | Yalla-One | PhilRod, Hmm - nope - nothing there... and the config/session directory is empty... weird |
| 13:38.08 | PhilRod | is your kmail in the system tray? |
| 13:38.11 | Yalla-One | PhilRod, The ksmserverrc is confirmlogout=true, excludeapps=, loginmode=default, offershutdown=false, shutdowntype=0 and that's all |
| 13:38.41 | Yalla-One | PhilRod, Yes - i've set it to display in the system tray, but it's been like that before without problems |
| 13:39.09 | Yalla-One | Now KMail starts on login and stays in system tray. Earlier I started KMail through Kontact, and when it was running it kept an icon in the system tray |
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| 13:40.02 | PhilRod | I'd set it to not be in the system tray, in case it's the system tray restarting it |
| 13:40.08 | PhilRod | (I don't think so, but worth a try) |
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| 13:40.36 | Yalla-One | Will try and report back. Thanks for your insight and patience PhilRod |
| 13:41.08 | PhilRod | np |
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| 13:43.52 | Yalla-One | Nope - doesn't make a difference. It loads KMail, full window, but obvioiusly no longer shows the KMail icon in the systray... |
| 13:44.46 | Yalla-One | I'll try to save a session, restore that, and then turn the "blank session" on again, maybe that will reset things |
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| 13:53.24 | PhilRod | any luck? |
| 13:53.26 | Yalla-One | Nope - regardless what I do- KMail starts on each and every login. However, it seems to start *AFTER* the other auto-started applications, almost like an afterthought... |
| 13:53.43 | Yalla-One | Now I logged out, wiped clean all kde / ice related directories, but still it comes up |
| 13:54.24 | Yalla-One | hmm - I didn't delete .ICE-unix in /tmp - could that be it? |
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| 13:56.19 | Yalla-One | hmm - I seem to have a LOT of .tmp and .new files in my ~/.kde/share/config directory - can I delete those? |
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| 14:03.31 | hakbeest | how do I make a screenshot? |
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| 14:06.19 | PhilRod | hakbeest: ksnapshot |
| 14:07.02 | Yalla-One | Guess my KMail problem is a bug. Seems like KMail is started after the KDE splash states that KDE is up and running, ie after it is done with "restoring session"... |
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| 14:08.40 | Yalla-One | grrr |
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| 14:15.04 | hakbeest | is there such a thing as a picture pastebin service? |
| 14:15.28 | yoruichi | hakbeest: try lynucs.org |
| 14:15.38 | yoruichi | you need to register tho |
| 14:15.45 | pinotree | imageshakc.us |
| 14:15.47 | pinotree | grr |
| 14:15.50 | pinotree | imageshack.us |
| 14:15.58 | pinotree | it's free |
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| 14:17.05 | hakbeest | thanks guys :) |
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| 14:17.58 | bartden | hi, i have superkaramba loaded on autostart up, but each time i log into kde (using 3.5.1) i see the screen for loading other superkaramba modules, how can i disable it ? |
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| 14:19.00 | analfabeta | hello |
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| 14:19.13 | yoruichi | hi ;) |
| 14:19.30 | analfabeta | how i can conect in kopete with proxy? i can't do this! |
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| 14:21.36 | qupada | analfabeta: you could probably use something like proxychains (http://proxychains.sourceforge.net/) if kopete doesn't support proxies natively, but it isn't the most reliable program |
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| 14:23.33 | analfabeta | qupada, what it do? i have a conection whith proxy and i can't conect with kopete in any protocols |
| 14:24.09 | qupada | oh, so it's a problem with something other than kopete not actually supporting the use of proxies. i really should go to bed |
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| 14:25.36 | analfabeta | qupada, so, i try use what? gaim? |
| 14:26.17 | qupada | i wouldn't |
| 14:26.33 | qupada | i got rid of gaim because it's not very stable any more and it was just annoying me |
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| 14:27.22 | qupada | i'm using an app called bitlbee that serves as an msn/aim/jabber/etc to irc gateway, does a nice job and means the only client i need is IRSSI |
| 14:27.45 | bushwakko | have you guys seen the glx/compiz release? are you working on anything similar/implementing the stuff from compiz? |
| 14:27.51 | analfabeta | this is a text based? |
| 14:27.59 | qupada | analfabeta: oh yes |
| 14:28.23 | analfabeta | suport proxy conection? |
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| 14:29.04 | PhilRod | bushwakko: I don't know of specific plans, but in general terms, the features provided by xgl etc will be used in KDE 4 |
| 14:29.06 | qupada | you know, i honestly have no idea |
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| 14:29.29 | PhilRod | bushwakko: see plasma.kde.org and the interview with zack rusin from the summer |
| 14:29.54 | PhilRod | http://users.ox.ac.uk/~chri1802/kde/zrusin-X-future.html |
| 14:30.12 | analfabeta | =( |
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| 14:31.34 | bushwakko | http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi <-- have you seen this? |
| 14:31.56 | PhilRod | I've probably seen something very similar :-) |
| 14:32.04 | qupada | is that the novel one with gnome and realplayer and stuff? |
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| 14:32.22 | Japsu | bushwakko: that's a cool piece |
| 14:32.50 | bushwakko | it's real smooth |
| 14:33.04 | Japsu | yeah |
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| 14:33.51 | qupada | one of the coolest demo videos i've seen is the Project looking glass one Sun put out |
| 14:33.53 | blackeagle` | hi |
| 14:34.13 | blackeagle` | I have a problem... with arts and ALSA... |
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| 14:34.46 | qupada | arts is a really big problem. if you have a sound card that supports hardware mixing i recommend you get rid of it |
| 14:35.09 | Japsu | most kde apps handle their audio output trough arts, though |
| 14:35.17 | blackeagle` | yes |
| 14:35.24 | Japsu | but that's bound to change with 4.0, isn't it? |
| 14:35.27 | qupada | yes, but they don't have to |
| 14:35.39 | blackeagle` | but the sounds are played with a delay |
| 14:36.12 | blackeagle` | I hear the sound half second after it's generated by the software |
| 14:38.05 | blackeagle` | now what I must to do? |
| 14:38.42 | qupada | so with arts you have a big delay? |
| 14:39.01 | Japsu | hmm |
| 14:39.10 | Japsu | I haven't noticed such a problem |
| 14:39.18 | qupada | there is a buffer length setting in the control panel that you could try shortening |
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| 14:41.53 | blackeagle` | yes... I have shortened it |
| 14:42.11 | blackeagle` | can I use the kde applications without arts? |
| 14:42.19 | qupada | well it works fine for me |
| 14:42.33 | qupada | what kind of sound device are you using? |
| 14:42.41 | blackeagle` | ac97 |
| 14:42.59 | blackeagle` | (integrated on the motherboard) |
| 14:44.29 | qupada | if you can spare USD$50 or so i highly recommend an audigy 2 zs, will remove all of your problems |
| 14:44.41 | qupada | you can always try disabling arts and see how you get on though |
| 14:45.02 | blackeagle` | I disabled arts and it works fine |
| 14:45.22 | blackeagle` | but kde doesn't play any sound |
| 14:45.38 | qupada | you might need to log out and in for it to sort itself out |
| 14:45.58 | qupada | check also if two apps are able to play sound simultaneously, if they can't, you probably need to keep arts |
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| 14:50.34 | ricflazz | what is a good mysql client for kde/qt? |
| 14:51.11 | PhilRod | kexi, datakiosk |
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| 14:54.47 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:55.21 | PhilRod | hi dhuv |
| 14:57.49 | dhuv | I am using kde 3.4.3 with debian and have setup my pcmcia wireless card to work with kde's network control center |
| 14:58.09 | dhuv | the problem is that I have to go into the gui and activate config1 manually |
| 14:58.14 | dhuv | each time I come back from standby |
| 14:58.30 | dhuv | is there a command line which I can run to activate a certain config? |
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| 16:02.40 | minciNashu | HELP: GTK QT fix doesnt solve the problem <suse 9.3> |
| 16:03.12 | benJIman|tov | minciNashu: what problem? |
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| 16:03.26 | minciNashu | liquid theme |
| 16:03.40 | minciNashu | gaim and firefox dont owrk with these theme |
| 16:04.10 | benJIman|tov | probably a limitation of the gtk qt engine |
| 16:04.10 | minciNashu | they crash cause of gtk (so they told me) |
| 16:04.20 | benJIman|tov | gtkqt engine isn't maintained much |
| 16:04.41 | minciNashu | its a nice theme |
| 16:04.49 | minciNashu | too bad it doesnt work |
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| 16:05.39 | minciNashu | hey, btw where can i find themes and other custom stuff for kde 3.4 ? |
| 16:05.58 | PhilRod | kde-look.org |
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| 16:16.42 | old_navy | hi community |
| 16:17.41 | old_navy | hallo? |
| 16:17.59 | minciNashu | kde 4 ?????? |
| 16:18.03 | Sho_ | hi old_navy |
| 16:18.11 | minciNashu | when was released ? |
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| 16:18.20 | old_navy | not now ^^ |
| 16:18.28 | Sho_ | minciNashu: KDE 4 is far from being released :-) |
| 16:18.45 | minciNashu | oh |
| 16:18.55 | minciNashu | false alarme then |
| 16:19.05 | Sho_ | yah |
| 16:19.06 | old_navy | KDE 3.5.0.1 was released last week |
| 16:19.09 | Sho_ | 3.5.1 is newly out, though |
| 16:19.17 | old_navy | oh |
| 16:19.22 | old_navy | 3.5.1 ^^ |
| 16:19.29 | minciNashu | cause i found some thems on kdelook that are in the kde 4 category |
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| 16:20.32 | old_navy | bevore KDE 3.5 was released there was a KDE 3.5 category - now it is the same |
| 16:20.42 | Config | Some kmail people here? Whenever I write a new email, the html-toolbar opens up. No matter how many times I disable it, it always comes again when writing a new email. How can I remove it? |
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| 16:22.58 | Sho_ | minciNashu: Probably people playing around with the development version |
| 16:23.23 | PhilRod | Sho_: mockups of "ooh, I think *this* would be cool", I'll wager |
| 16:23.35 | PhilRod | s/mockups/pictures/ |
| 16:23.58 | Sho_ | annoying bot :) |
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| 16:28.47 | PhilRod | bah, I shouldn't have looked in that category, it brings out the cynic in me |
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| 16:34.30 | DaSkreech | Would shell options be out of scope for KDE? |
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| 16:37.39 | citr0n | My Kontact-window is maximized, no border and no panel. I don't know how i did this, and i would like to turn it back in to a normal window. Anyone knows how to do that? |
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| 16:41.28 | Worf | citr0n: sounds like ctrl-shift-F |
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| 16:41.59 | citr0n | Worf: that's "Find text" |
| 16:42.35 | pinotree | citr0n: find text is ctrl+F |
| 16:42.44 | pinotree | without shift |
| 16:42.53 | citr0n | and with shift :( |
| 16:43.04 | Sho_ | citr0n: Alt+Spacebar to open the window menu, Advanced, Fullscreen |
| 16:43.10 | litb | with shift is find text backwards |
| 16:43.11 | Sho_ | Or Advanced, No Border, etc. |
| 16:43.17 | litb | afaik |
| 16:43.29 | pinotree | citr0n: Alt+F3 |
| 16:43.56 | Worf | oh - right - the fullscreen shortcut doesn't work in my kontact... should have defined that global |
| 16:44.05 | citr0n | pinotree: thanks |
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| 16:44.45 | jita | can somebody please tell me whats wrong with this window decoration. http://unixkid.be/gallery/03-KDE/snapsnhot1.pbg |
| 16:44.49 | jita | can somebody please tell me whats wrong with this window decoration. http://unixkid.be/gallery/03-KDE/snapsnhot1.png |
| 16:44.51 | citr0n | Alt+F3 -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings |
| 16:44.53 | jita | :P |
| 16:45.22 | Sho_ | jita: It's ugly for one :) |
| 16:45.23 | citr0n | http://unixkid.be/gallery/03-KDE/snapshot1.png |
| 16:45.31 | jita | i want to make this window look like http://unixkid.be/gallery/03-KDE/snapshot3.png |
| 16:45.59 | pinotree | not found |
| 16:46.09 | pinotree | jita: ^ |
| 16:46.20 | jita | pointwood: http://unixkid.be/gallery/03-KDE/snapshot1.png |
| 16:46.59 | pinotree | ok, this one, it should be like? |
| 16:47.01 | jita | second one is |
| 16:47.18 | jita | http://unixkid.be/gallery/03-KDE/1.png |
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| 16:47.53 | jita | there is an extra border in the second screenshot i think |
| 16:47.59 | minciNashu | HELP: where can i find a VISTA theme for kde 3.4 under suse 9.3 ? |
| 16:48.08 | Worf | since the menubar looks totally different it's propably a different theme? |
| 16:48.17 | DaSkreech | The Internet |
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| 16:48.45 | pinotree | jita: maybe in kcontrol -> look&feel -> window decorations |
| 16:49.03 | jita | pinotree: i tried it. i can't find anything useful |
| 16:49.08 | jita | i am uing baghira for qt |
| 16:49.17 | jita | and yattacier for gtk-qt-engine |
| 16:49.31 | Worf | argh - themes, themes, i cannot take it anymore - i use the default theme since kde1 - the content and functionality is what matters! |
| 16:49.45 | DaSkreech | Ummm |
| 16:49.47 | DaSkreech | No |
| 16:49.59 | DaSkreech | I've hung around kopete long enough to figure that out |
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| 17:12.18 | DaSkreech | Has anyone seen the new XGL video? |
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| 17:13.52 | DaSkreech | Looks like the KDE4 hoopla is overstated :) |
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| 17:20.09 | raf256 | why in the hell Konsole STILL have b0rked support for some keys?? |
| 17:20.34 | raf256 | like, keypad+ works only if I run vim via gnome-terminall, in Konsole that key is ignored |
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| 17:20.56 | PhilRod | DaSkreech: it's kind of amusing, since the very same stuff was possible in the summer: http://vizzzion.org/stuff/xgl_wanking.avi |
| 17:21.31 | PhilRod | that's zack rusin, KDE developer, demonstrating in that video |
| 17:22.06 | PhilRod | raf256: check the keyboard settings in the settings menu |
| 17:22.10 | PhilRod | hrm, has it moved? |
| 17:22.32 | raf256 | PhilRod: in Konsole? what about it? |
| 17:22.34 | PhilRod | no, seems to be there |
| 17:22.40 | PhilRod | raf256: try different settings there |
| 17:22.50 | raf256 | I set Keybboard to XFree 4.0.0 |
| 17:23.00 | raf256 | other are even worse, even Home/End do not work |
| 17:23.06 | raf256 | this is so messed up! |
| 17:23.29 | PhilRod | work fine here |
| 17:23.44 | raf256 | PhilRod: in what keyboard mode? |
| 17:24.27 | raf256 | ah n.m. I will reopen the bug report |
| 17:24.53 | PhilRod | xfree86 4.x.x. I have an en_GB keyboard |
| 17:25.19 | raf256 | PhilRod: where do You set "keyboard to en_GB" ? I have pl_PL, as in: alt+a = ą |
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| 17:26.39 | PhilRod | well, I have a British English keyboard, and all the keys on it work. I don't remember where I set it up originally :-) |
| 17:26.45 | PhilRod | probably xorg.conf |
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| 17:35.41 | DaSkreech | Anyone have any idea the hardware they are using to run the XGL? |
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| 17:37.21 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Pretty much every 3d-capable card sold in the last two years should be good enough, provided the drivers are, too |
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| 17:38.03 | DaSkreech | Well .. I thought part of the point of XGL is that you wouldn't need propietary drivers to get accelration. |
| 17:38.19 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Not really |
| 17:38.23 | DaSkreech | Possibly for some features in newer cards |
| 17:38.28 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: It relies on capable OpenGL drivers |
| 17:38.41 | DaSkreech | So i'd still need the propietary nVidia and ATI and Matrox drivers? |
| 17:38.51 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Although for example the open source ATi driver project has made great strides in providing an open driver with sufficient acceleration |
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| 17:39.22 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Whats the URL for the project? |
| 17:39.29 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Well, you will need a capable driver. If that's an open or a proprietary one really depends on availability. |
| 17:40.07 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: I'm not familiar with what drivers are available for Matrox, but for nVidia you'd currently have to use the proprietary ones and for ATi you could use the open ones |
| 17:40.25 | DaSkreech | Whats the URL for the Open ATI drivers? |
| 17:40.32 | DaSkreech | Just want to see where they have reached |
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| 17:41.27 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Notably Xgl comes with a software implementation of OpenGL, Mesa3D, as far as I understand it it can be used to emulate what non-capable drivers can't use the hardware for |
| 17:41.30 | Pinaraf | DaSkreech: it's provided with your distrib |
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| 17:41.51 | Pinaraf | Sho_: mesa3d is completely independent of Xgl |
| 17:41.58 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Right but that wuold need some beefy Proc power I guess |
| 17:42.13 | Pinaraf | mesa3d was created even before somebody could imagine a X server using OpenGL ! |
| 17:42.17 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: You'll have to Google for the URL, I use nVidia personally |
| 17:42.21 | DaSkreech | :-) |
| 17:42.34 | Pinaraf | and for the free drivers : http://dri.freedesktop.org |
| 17:42.39 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: I recently read some blog posts about development versions of the drivers running Unreal Tournament 2004 and similar games, though |
| 17:42.39 | Pinaraf | everything is there |
| 17:42.44 | Pinaraf | what's your graphic card ? |
| 17:42.54 | Pinaraf | Sho_: that was for the r300+ chipsets |
| 17:43.06 | Sho_ | Pinaraf: Which are nonetheless ATi chips :) |
| 17:43.06 | nostur | Hi, i have problem with Konsole in 3.4.3, Gentoo, my problem is, that when i fire the Konsole, only white screen appears, and nothing happens, |
| 17:43.16 | Pinaraf | for r2*, r1* chipsets, there is no problem |
| 17:43.38 | DaSkreech | 9800 |
| 17:43.46 | Pinaraf | 9800 has a r300 chipset |
| 17:43.46 | Sho_ | Pinaraf: As for Mesa, I know it's independent of Xgl, which doesn't mean it can't be used in conjunction with it :) |
| 17:44.01 | Pinaraf | mesa can be used with any opengl app |
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| 17:44.21 | Pinaraf | I don't think the driver is available easily |
| 17:44.24 | Sho_ | yup |
| 17:44.39 | Pinaraf | it may be wiser to wait for new packages for your distrib |
| 17:45.05 | DaSkreech | Of course :) I was just thinking that the KDE hoopla is already being upstaged |
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| 17:46.53 | Fri13 | http://modeling.bio.jyu.fi:8080/bioimagexd |
| 17:48.50 | cbr | is kde4 going to make use of xgl? |
| 17:49.19 | pinotree | cbr: still too early to say that |
| 17:49.50 | Fri13 | pinotree: i really hope it will :-P |
| 17:50.30 | Sho_ | Fri13: Depends largely on how Xgl turns out over the course of the year. It's by no means ready for broad distribution. :-) |
| 17:50.30 | DaSkreech | The things that they are doing seem to make use of X7 |
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| 17:51.33 | nostur | Hi, i have problem with Konsole in 3.4.3, Gentoo, my problem is, that when i fire the Konsole, only white screen appears, and nothing happens, |
| 17:52.00 | DaSkreech | Sho_: I Thought that NLD was shipping with it |
| 17:52.06 | DaSkreech | Not on by default of course |
| 17:52.08 | Fri13 | Sho_: Is there any change to see compose working then, or is that depending from xorg too? |
| 17:52.38 | Sho_ | Fri13: KDE has support for the X.org X11 COMPOSITE extension since KDE 3.4.0 |
| 17:53.03 | Fri13 | Sho_: Yes but it dont work with OpenGL :-/ |
| 17:53.05 | litb | i headrd that there is something similar to Xgl developed by redhat |
| 17:53.22 | PhilRod | ~artstr |
| 17:53.24 | apt | You can find some tips on diagnosing sound-related problems at http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/sound.html |
| 17:53.28 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Well, IMO that's primarily a marketing stunt by them ... the Novell engineer himself has said the code as released by them recently is not ready for public consumption |
| 17:53.47 | DaSkreech | litb: lunacity |
| 17:54.18 | Sho_ | Fri13: That's mostly due to technological limitations of the server and drivers, yup |
| 17:54.19 | litb | sure you didn't mean luminocity? :) |
| 17:54.40 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Well the code is public now I understand should be easy to ferret out how mature it is |
| 17:54.48 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: yeah |
| 17:54.49 | nostur | Someone can help me or point me? |
| 17:54.51 | DaSkreech | litb: Yah! That thing :) |
| 17:55.09 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: The X.org Developer Conference has been held over the last few days, we'll see what sort of opinions emerge |
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| 17:55.23 | DaSkreech | planet.xgl.org/ :-) |
| 17:55.37 | nostur | DaSkreech, i dont wanted to point _at_ me |
| 17:55.57 | DaSkreech | :-D |
| 17:56.05 | Fri13 | DaSkreech: planet.xgl.org? |
| 17:56.41 | DaSkreech | well if there are going to be a slew of blog comments on it |
| 17:56.41 | litb | i mena a different kind of thing |
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| 18:00.33 | nostur | Hi, i have problem with Konsole in 3.4.3, Gentoo, my problem is, that when i fire the Konsole, only white screen appears, and nothing happens, |
| 18:02.03 | litb | can i run compiz with x7? |
| 18:02.10 | litb | i mean, the normal X7? |
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| 18:02.19 | DaSkreech | Sorry |
| 18:02.30 | DaSkreech | kopete crashes on a moments notice |
| 18:02.34 | Pinaraf | litb: no |
| 18:03.22 | cbr | composite crashes though |
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| 18:07.15 | DaSkreech | is r300.sf.net any good? |
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| 18:09.40 | Pinaraf | DaSkreech: that's not updated any longer |
| 18:10.27 | NullAcht15 | From the WebCVS, it looks like there hasn't been any development on this project for the last 6 months |
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| 18:12.28 | Pinaraf | NullAcht15: what webcvs do you use ? |
| 18:12.49 | Pinaraf | if you use the cvs from sourceforge, it's not the right thing to look at |
| 18:12.56 | Pinaraf | r300 is integrated in the DRI project |
| 18:13.11 | Pinaraf | so its CVS is the same as the DRI one |
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| 18:20.27 | Xemanth^ | whats kde 3.5.1 dev package ? |
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| 18:28.13 | Xemanth^ | dudes |
| 18:28.28 | pinotree | back |
| 18:29.04 | pinotree | Xemanth^: it contains header files and libtool files that you must have to compile anything related to kde |
| 18:29.53 | pinotree | Xemanth^: which distro are you using? |
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| 18:31.15 | Xemanth^ | kubuntu x86 with kde 3.5.1 |
| 18:31.41 | Xemanth^ | [20:19:14] <Xemanth^> whats kde 3.5.1 dev package ? <- i mean what its name |
| 18:31.44 | pinotree | ok, if you don't compile anything but you use the precompiled packages of kubuntu, then you don't need to install them |
| 18:31.51 | pinotree | ah |
| 18:31.57 | pinotree | dev == development |
| 18:31.58 | Xemanth^ | apt-get install kde-dev ain't working neither kde3-dev |
| 18:32.00 | Xemanth^ | yes yes |
| 18:32.22 | pinotree | Xemanth^: the -dev are related to a lib package |
| 18:32.32 | Xemanth^ | aaaaaaaaaah |
| 18:32.36 | Xemanth^ | libkde-dev or something |
| 18:32.37 | pinotree | like kdelibs4-dev |
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| 18:32.51 | frb-work | is there any way to get konq to let me close all tabs and get down to a blank window? |
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| 18:33.10 | Knowerrors | Has any type of dialup modem user got v92 modem on hold feature to work with linux/kppp? |
| 18:34.22 | Xemanth^ | pinotree: i'm getting frustrated, i just kde some kde4 stuff :| |
| 18:34.27 | Xemanth^ | find* |
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| 18:34.37 | pinotree | kde4? |
| 18:34.40 | pinotree | lool |
| 18:35.00 | pinotree | kdelibs4 is for debian & ubuntu the library name + library version |
| 18:35.16 | pinotree | where library version for debian can be different from real version |
| 18:35.25 | Xemanth^ | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 18:35.25 | Xemanth^ | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. |
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| 18:35.33 | Xemanth^ | i installed kdelibs |
| 18:35.41 | pinotree | ok, apt-get install kdelibs4-dev |
| 18:35.54 | Xemanth^ | i have kde 3.5.1, not kde 4 |
| 18:35.58 | Xemanth^ | 4.0 i mean* |
| 18:36.06 | pinotree | install that package |
| 18:36.19 | pinotree | <pinotree> kdelibs4 is for debian & ubuntu the library name + library version |
| 18:36.21 | nostur | Hi, i have problem with Konsole in 3.4.3, Gentoo, my problem is, that when i fire the Konsole, only white screen appears, and nothing happens, |
| 18:36.26 | pinotree | <pinotree> where library version for debian can be different from real version |
| 18:36.44 | pinotree | nostur: "nothing happens" means? |
| 18:37.04 | Xemanth^ | pinotree: ahm ok |
| 18:37.05 | nostur | pinotree, only white screen appears, blank, |
| 18:37.10 | Fri13 | pinotree: is kdelibs4 needed by KDE 3.5.1 or is there just somekind suse reason why i cant find it? Only kdelibs3.... |
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| 18:38.07 | Xemanth^ | pinotree: or not, it complained alot about unmet depencys |
| 18:38.52 | pinotree | Fri13: suse != debian |
| 18:39.16 | frb-work | kdelibs4 isn't needed by anything anywhere in suse |
| 18:39.31 | frb-work | and if debian called it kdelibs4 they are just insane and stupid |
| 18:39.32 | Fri13 | okay, so suse dont even have kdelibs4... |
| 18:39.38 | Fri13 | Okay. |
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| 18:41.12 | frb-work | what are they going to do next, since htey already used kdelibs4, kde 4.0 will have to be kde4libs? |
| 18:41.18 | frb-work | CRACK SMOKERS |
| 18:41.42 | pinotree | kdelibs5 :D |
| 18:42.02 | pinotree | frb-work: please a bit of respect for debian people |
| 18:42.07 | nostur | pinotree: you know what to do with it ? |
| 18:42.31 | pinotree | nostur: no menu nor window border? |
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| 18:43.37 | nostur | pinotree: no, no, window is ok, borders shown etc. but instead of something like nostur@Pacman is there a blank white screen, and no input or output is shown |
| 18:44.13 | pinotree | nostur: are you able to open a new tab? if so, what appears? |
| 18:44.26 | nostur | pinotree, same, as the first tab |
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| 18:44.37 | nostur | pinotree, blank white screen |
| 18:44.59 | pinotree | are you able tyo change the schema? |
| 18:45.00 | EvilGuru | can anyone tell me how to use kde icons in open office? |
| 18:45.05 | pinotree | s/tyo/to |
| 18:45.24 | nostur | pinotree, dont know, i will try |
| 18:46.07 | nostur | pinotree, ok, i changed the schema, schema is changed, but still blank, ie. no text, in/out put etc. |
| 18:46.38 | pinotree | are you able to close a tab with Ctrl+D ? |
| 18:46.56 | nostur | nope |
| 18:47.07 | pinotree | maybe be a bug, then |
| 18:47.20 | pinotree | i suggest you taking a look at bugzilla |
| 18:47.29 | pinotree | http://bugs.kde.org |
| 18:47.33 | nostur | but i cant submit it, because of KDE version, and i looked at bugzilla |
| 18:47.45 | nostur | i was not able to find anything similar to this |
| 18:47.46 | Fri13 | is kdebase-devel so called kde headers? |
| 18:48.00 | Xemanth^ | Fri13: now we are getting to somewhere |
| 18:48.19 | Xemanth^ | kdebase-devel |
| 18:48.21 | Xemanth^ | ups |
| 18:48.33 | Xemanth^ | E: Couldn't find package kdebase-devel |
| 18:48.58 | Xemanth^ | kdebase-dev gave alot unmet depency errors |
| 18:49.18 | Fri13 | Xemanth^: Im just getting tired now for SUSE because i cant get anything compiled. |
| 18:49.18 | EvilGuru | anyone know what I need to do to get open office to use my kde icons |
| 18:49.38 | Fri13 | EvilGuru: Openoffice_org-kde ? |
| 18:49.46 | pinotree | Xemanth^: apt-get install kdebase-dev |
| 18:49.52 | pinotree | (not kdebase-devel) |
| 18:50.05 | EvilGuru | I am sure that there is a way to do it (I use the Gentoo binary build of open office) |
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| 18:51.22 | lars | evening, everyone |
| 18:51.24 | Fri13 | Xemanth^: In SUSE it is kdebase3-devel but i have it installed and it still says that i dont have KDE headers... |
| 18:51.41 | lars | anyone knows, how the media:// -links in konqueror are created? |
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| 18:54.57 | sredna | lars: Depending on the configuration, by HAL events sent over dbus or by polling changes in /etc/fstab |
| 18:55.52 | lars | sredna: which file holds the configuration for the difference between both methods? |
| 18:56.09 | Xemanth^ | Fri13: i have that header problem too |
| 18:56.09 | sredna | lars: Use kcontrol |
| 18:56.28 | sredna | Or find it, I haven't the slightest idea :) |
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| 18:56.43 | lars | sredna: hehe, ok, thx. ;) |
| 18:56.55 | lars | just installed a second harddrive, which I would like to show up there |
| 18:57.08 | sredna | lars: Chances are that you are a fellow dane btw? ;) |
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| 18:57.33 | sredna | Hm, harddrives usually works |
| 18:57.34 | lars | sredna: I'm afraid, I'm not so. I'm german. ;) |
| 18:57.49 | sredna | No matter how you run the media daemon |
| 18:57.52 | sredna | Yea, german too :) |
| 18:58.11 | lars | sredna: ok, it's under kcontrol --> angeschlossene Geräte --> Advanced --> "Enable HAL backend" |
| 18:58.13 | Xemanth^ | Fri13: in kubuntu i don't have kdebase3-devel or dev |
| 18:58.25 | lars | sredna: it doesn't work for me, unfortunatly. |
| 18:58.36 | lars | sredna: Guten Appetit! |
| 18:58.38 | Fri13 | Xemanth^: what just apt-cache search kdebase gives? |
| 18:58.40 | sredna | Dnake |
| 18:58.44 | sredna | ^T |
| 18:59.08 | pinotree | Xemanth^: apt-get install kdebase-dev |
| 18:59.25 | Fri13 | Xemanth^: I dont remember did i compile any software on my sister PC where is kubuntu |
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| 19:04.26 | mariux | why the .. do i get "stalled" when i try to open /home/mariux in konqueror |
| 19:04.32 | mariux | all other folders work |
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| 19:04.42 | mariux | i was there a minute ago |
| 19:04.53 | lars | Another question: Anyone knows how to enable the "allow users to change their picture in the personal settings"-option? At the moment, it just says "your administrator has disallowed changing your picture", and I've seen quite a lot of questions on google to that theme without a solution... |
| 19:04.59 | mariux | and then konqueror hung when i clicked ctrl+c on media:/something |
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| 19:05.06 | mariux | and now i cant enter /home/mariux |
| 19:06.07 | stodge | www.motortrend.com brings Konq to a grinding halt |
| 19:06.07 | pinotree | lars: kcontrol -> system administation -> login manager |
| 19:06.27 | pinotree | lars: User tab |
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| 19:08.09 | Oleg_ | canllaith! |
| 19:08.15 | Oleg_ | I missed you! |
| 19:08.54 | litb | i miss "this month in SVN"... |
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| 19:09.35 | lars | pinotree: ah, thx a lot! :) |
| 19:10.07 | pinotree | np |
| 19:10.22 | stodge | Weird - using 3.5.1 and Konq is reporting errors about javascripts causing it to freeze |
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| 19:10.42 | lars | pinotree: searched that config since the last three installs I think... ;) |
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| 19:14.21 | SimAtWork | stodge: tell javascript it's a bad doggy |
| 19:14.36 | SimAtWork | i'm running with some kde 3.5.1 and some 3.5.0 components |
| 19:14.44 | SimAtWork | i messed up somewhere! |
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| 19:22.40 | crazedcougar | ahhhh! i killed my kicker |
| 19:22.47 | crazedcougar | how do i get it back =O |
| 19:22.56 | pinotree | Alt+F2 |
| 19:22.58 | pinotree | kicker |
| 19:22.59 | sredna | crazedcougar: Press ALT + F2 and run 'kicker' |
| 19:23.01 | pinotree | that's it |
| 19:23.11 | crazedcougar | nothing happens |
| 19:23.30 | sredna | Then it's not dead |
| 19:23.38 | sredna | Try 'dcop kicker kicker restart' |
| 19:23.39 | crazedcougar | then where did it go |
| 19:23.49 | crazedcougar | btw it left when i started a superkaramba theme |
| 19:23.52 | PhilRod | and "ps aux | grep kicker" to see if it's still running |
| 19:24.07 | crazedcougar | yea its rnning |
| 19:24.30 | crazedcougar | i did dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 19:24.37 | crazedcougar | it showed for a sec then disappeared |
| 19:24.44 | crazedcougar | aha |
| 19:24.45 | crazedcougar | got it |
| 19:24.46 | crazedcougar | ty |
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| 19:26.35 | luksan | i heart kate making me indent all my lines to exactly one space even though i have every single setting at 2! |
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| 19:28.12 | tek0 | hi |
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| 19:28.54 | tek0 | does anyone know what I've got to insert into konsolerc to force unlimited buffer? |
| 19:29.00 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 19:29.04 | tek0 | at history=1000 |
| 19:29.22 | elvirolo | does anyone know how to block google ads in konqueror (like firefox can do) ? |
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| 19:31.08 | elvirolo | ah ... isn't konqueror compatible with gmail? |
| 19:31.27 | sredna | luksan: Heart? |
| 19:31.41 | elvirolo | ideas anyone? |
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| 19:31.59 | sredna | luksan: What indent mode are you using, wiht which file (see Tools->Indent Mode) |
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| 19:32.19 | hussam | is there a workaround for the kicker crash on logout in kde 3.5.1 |
| 19:32.21 | hussam | ? |
| 19:32.37 | sredna | What kicker crash? |
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| 19:32.58 | solid_liq | hey, whatever happened to the KDE CVS Digest? |
| 19:33.13 | hussam | kicker crashed when I logoff kde 3.5.1 |
| 19:33.28 | solid_liq | that happened to me with 3.5.1 too |
| 19:34.04 | hussam | it wasn't in kde 3.5.0 |
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| 19:34.55 | luksan | sredna: indentation mode = C |
| 19:35.03 | choisyjc | http://dot.kde.org/1138743149/1138757656/1138774222/ |
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| 19:37.30 | solid_liq | hey, whatever happened to the KDE CVS Digest? |
| 19:38.06 | PhilRod | the guy who wrote it didn't have enough time to do it, I guess |
| 19:38.24 | PhilRod | you could contact him if you'd like to help with it |
| 19:38.56 | solid_liq | I wish I had enough time |
| 19:39.26 | solid_liq | I didn't have enough time to read it for awhile, so I just now realized it was no more :/ |
| 19:39.49 | solid_liq | it's too bad, he did a great job with it |
| 19:40.03 | litb | kde3.5.1 really stabilized log off |
| 19:40.11 | litb | kicker doesn't crash for me anymore |
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| 19:40.33 | solid_liq | I still see stupid issues wrt transparency in kicker |
| 19:41.01 | litb | the only stupid, really stupid, issue is the way icons are arranged on the desktop |
| 19:41.05 | Sho_ | litb: Actually the kicker crash on log off was fixed for 3.5.0 but someone mistakenly reverted aseigos fix, AFAIK |
| 19:41.21 | litb | ah |
| 19:41.22 | solid_liq | ahhh, grrreat |
| 19:41.31 | Sho_ | yeah, at this point I'm wondering if the desktop icon mess will ever be solved |
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| 19:41.43 | Sho_ | every KDE release fixes some problems with it, and and creates new ones |
| 19:41.47 | litb | i guess no. not until plasma |
| 19:41.55 | Sho_ | I suspect the code tries to be too smart :) |
| 19:42.02 | litb | yes |
| 19:42.11 | solid_liq | any plans on using the Xgl from Novell for 4.0? |
| 19:42.12 | litb | they could simply store the pixel values |
| 19:42.43 | Sho_ | solid_liq: Not at this point |
| 19:43.00 | sredna | luksan: And are you editing a C or C++ or Java file? |
| 19:43.01 | solid_liq | Too bad, that would rock. Talk about smooth eye candy galore |
| 19:43.04 | litb | espacially if you have a side panel on the right |
| 19:43.28 | Sho_ | solid_liq: Depends mostly on how Xgl turns out over the course of the year; it's by no means ready for broad distribution yet |
| 19:43.38 | litb | then, if it is loaded after the desktop, then the icon text shadown are aligned too right and don't equal the icon text |
| 19:43.49 | Sho_ | solid_liq: That said, I'm sure beauty and modern tech is high on the agenda for the big 4 :-) |
| 19:43.57 | solid_liq | Sho_: they are planning on incorporating it in SUSE 10.1 by default |
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| 19:44.12 | Sho_ | solid_liq: ... which seems like a marketing stunt to me :) |
| 19:44.19 | solid_liq | Sho_: perhaps :) |
| 19:44.36 | litb | i don'T believe that |
| 19:44.42 | litb | suse 10.1 is in beta |
| 19:44.50 | litb | Xgl isn't even alpha |
| 19:44.54 | PhilRod | ("crappy" because, while they're cool, they're not useful) |
| 19:44.55 | Pinaraf | litb: Xgl is available in CVS since months |
| 19:45.01 | litb | yeah |
| 19:45.10 | PhilRod | litb: I was there, I saw it. |
| 19:45.10 | Sho_ | litb: Companies have made more idiotic choices for marketing purposes |
| 19:45.41 | liquidat | Pinaraf: More or less - the code from Novell was uploaded in miod of January... |
| 19:45.51 | PhilRod | novell seem to have got quite a marketing coup out of this one |
| 19:45.56 | litb | PhilRod: on Novell presentation? |
| 19:46.09 | Pinaraf | liquidat: months ago, there was already some usable code, including a glxcompmgr |
| 19:46.25 | litb | ah, at akademy |
| 19:46.30 | PhilRod | litb: I was at akademy where Zack demo'ed almost exactly the same effects you see on that novell video |
| 19:46.31 | liquidat | Pinaraf: Yes, but we are talking about the new stuff from Novell/Suse, don't we? |
| 19:46.40 | Pinaraf | new stuff ? What new stuff ? |
| 19:46.49 | Pinaraf | the wobblying windows where already in ! |
| 19:47.14 | Pinaraf | (please wait, checking other things) |
| 19:47.41 | liquidat | Pinaraf: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=13154 |
| 19:48.00 | solid_liq | http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl |
| 19:48.12 | solid_liq | http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/ |
| 19:48.18 | Sho_ | Pinaraf: The wobbling windows are not an Xgl feature, they're done by compiz, and they've been done by luminosity (spelling?) and probably other opengl composition managers before, yeah |
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| 19:48.32 | Pinaraf | Sho_: they are available since 5 weeks |
| 19:48.40 | Pinaraf | and they are not exclusively a compiz feature |
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| 19:48.44 | litb | Sho_: *city |
| 19:48.46 | Sho_ | Pinaraf: Which is what I just said |
| 19:48.46 | Pinaraf | glxcompmgr can do that as well |
| 19:48.56 | Sho_ | litb: ah, yeah |
| 19:49.04 | Pinaraf | and glxcompmgr is built for Xgl |
| 19:49.14 | _heiko | hello everybody |
| 19:49.23 | liquidat | hej _heiko |
| 19:49.25 | litb | is there a komposite manager which do wubbling effect for X7 ? |
| 19:49.27 | _heiko | i´m a new user in linux |
| 19:49.32 | solid_liq | well I think it's good for SUSE 10.1 to have Xgl since it will give it a much more thorough test |
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| 19:49.52 | litb | wobbling i mean |
| 19:49.55 | Pinaraf | litb: no, it'd be far too hard to implement |
| 19:49.58 | liquidat | Hm, btw.: am I the only one who ahs some thoughts about the fact that all this new stuff is done by gnome-centered companies? |
| 19:50.08 | Pinaraf | liquidat: +1 |
| 19:50.24 | liquidat | Pinaraf: ? |
| 19:50.24 | heiko_ | hey whre ist the chanen in german here |
| 19:50.30 | Sho_ | liquidat: First of, Novell employs several KDE developers, second, several KDE developers are involved with X development in general |
| 19:50.31 | heiko_ | chanel |
| 19:50.35 | Pinaraf | I'm also worried |
| 19:50.38 | PhilRod | heiko_: #kde.de |
| 19:50.45 | solid_liq | liquidat: yeah, but we might as well steal the good stuff from the gnome guys, because we all know they're not going to ever do anything actually cool with it anyway |
| 19:51.04 | heiko_ | ok Philroad manythanks |
| 19:51.16 | Pinaraf | and compiz / glxcompmgr are far from being officially in gnome |
| 19:51.20 | liquidat | Sho_: Tell me one bigger distribution which runs only kde in the commercial product... |
| 19:51.44 | Pinaraf | liquidat: mandriva |
| 19:51.44 | liquidat | solid_liq: Hm, don't know, if I look at the comming Ubuntu, looks quite nice... |
| 19:51.47 | Pinaraf | (I don't like it) |
| 19:51.51 | Sho_ | liquidat: Which has exactly what to do with your initial question? |
| 19:51.52 | solid_liq | liquidat: SUSE has KDE as the default desktop |
| 19:52.04 | liquidat | Pinaraf: Well, if that is what you would call bigger... |
| 19:52.12 | PhilRod | this is all about improvements in X, which are therefore available for KDE to use. It really makes no difference who wrote the code |
| 19:52.17 | Pinaraf | liquidat: bigger than what ? |
| 19:52.21 | liquidat | solid_liq: I said commercial - and Novell uses only gnome in the commercial future... |
| 19:52.34 | Pinaraf | liquidat: suse is sold too ! |
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| 19:52.39 | solid_liq | liquidat: according to distrowatch.com, it's the 2nd most popular right now |
| 19:52.40 | Pinaraf | opensuse != suse |
| 19:52.41 | liquidat | Pinaraf: Doesn't matter, because Mandriva ships with both. |
| 19:52.50 | Pinaraf | default is KDE |
| 19:52.57 | liquidat | Sho_: Don't get what you mean with my initial question.... |
| 19:53.11 | Sho_ | liquidat: Novell continues to ship KDE in several commercial products |
| 19:53.14 | solid_liq | liquidat: and SUSE will always be KDE, for gnome there will be Novell Desktop Linux |
| 19:53.15 | Pinaraf | and if you say it doesn't matter for mandriva, then it doesn't matter for suse too |
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| 19:53.38 | Sho_ | liquidat: Your initial question was if anyone was worried that this "new stuff" is done by gnome-centered companies, and that's a false impression |
| 19:53.44 | liquidat | solid_liq: Can be that mandriva is popular, but the company in the background is not comparable to Red Hat or Novell (number of employes, developers) afaik. |
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| 19:53.48 | luksan | sredna: C |
| 19:54.00 | liquidat | Sho_: So, correct me. |
| 19:54.04 | Sho_ | liquidat: I did |
| 19:54.14 | solid_liq | what does MEPIS use? |
| 19:54.15 | sredna | luksan: And you are using C syntax highlight? |
| 19:54.20 | solid_liq | I've never tried it |
| 19:54.24 | liquidat | solid_liq: Where is a source which says that Suse will be KDE in future? That's new to me... |
| 19:54.33 | luksan | yep |
| 19:54.37 | liquidat | Sho_: Sorry, missed that, what was it? |
| 19:54.45 | solid_liq | liquidat: I read it in eWeek |
| 19:55.00 | Sho_ | liquidat: Novell sells KDE and employs KDE developers, besides, only because Novell is the one issueing press releases about it, that doesn't mean that only Novell people are working on X. There are several people who are involved with KDE *and* X who do not work for Novell. |
| 19:55.06 | liquidat | solid_liq: Mepis runs KDE, but Mepis has all over all 3 (!) people working, that doesn't count. |
| 19:55.24 | liquidat | Sho_: Well, Zack Rusin, yes, but who else? |
| 19:55.31 | Sho_ | liquidat: Ivor Hewitt, for example |
| 19:55.34 | solid_liq | liquidat: I was just asking because I've never used it |
| 19:55.46 | luksan | sredna: although checking the box "keep extra spaces" seems to fix the problem |
| 19:55.49 | liquidat | Sho_: Who employs him? |
| 19:56.03 | sredna | luksan: Ok, good |
| 19:56.15 | Sho_ | liquidat: Good question - but not Novell, AFAIK :) |
| 19:56.44 | solid_liq | don't forget, kde depends upon qt, which is all paid for development |
| 19:57.00 | liquidat | Sho_: About Novell and KDE: the kicked of some KDE developers, they changed the main commercial product to Gnome, and for Suse I'm checking at the moment, let me look, if they are really shipping with KDE as default. |
| 19:57.03 | solid_liq | the same is not true for gtk |
| 19:57.23 | Sho_ | liquidat: They actually reverted their decision on the "main commercial product", as far as I know |
| 19:57.38 | Sho_ | liquidat: The enterprise distro continues to ship KDE, I believe |
| 19:57.39 | liquidat | Sho_: Erm, no, NDL will be GNome exclusivly... |
| 19:57.42 | solid_liq | liquidat: they are shipping kde as default |
| 19:57.49 | Fri13 | Is there coming a fix for kio-slave problems, like im trying to save file to my USB2 hard-drive and i selecte "removable" from save dialog window and select drive and it gives error: "mtab says drive is already mounted" |
| 19:57.52 | Sho_ | liquidat: As for SuSE, it has no default desktop, you're asked to chose between KDE and Gnome during the installation |
| 19:58.02 | Sho_ | liquidat: I believe the KDE checkbox is above the Gnome checkbox, though, if that matters ;) |
| 19:58.17 | solid_liq | Sho_: by default it will install kde, but you can choose gnome |
| 19:58.28 | liquidat | Sho_: I know, but that should change as far as I got it, but only the gnome is the default checkbox in future. |
| 19:58.33 | solid_liq | Sho_: all the tools (yast, etc.) are written for kde |
| 19:59.18 | solid_liq | and of course they did something screwy with Control Center |
| 19:59.28 | Sho_ | liquidat: They initially announced that Novell's Enterprise Linux distribution would only ship Gnome and kdelibs. After the press chaos and an outcry, they decided to continue to ship bot |
| 19:59.34 | Fri13 | solid_liq: but didn't novell choose Gnome now as default but will continue to support KDE? |
| 19:59.42 | Sho_ | liquidat: As for the KDE developers that were let go, in the same wave, they also let Gnome developers go |
| 19:59.49 | liquidat | Sho_: Are you shure, that you are talking about NLD? |
| 20:00.04 | liquidat | Sho_: I'm searching for the news at the moment... |
| 20:00.09 | solid_liq | Fri13: Novell is going with shipping both SuSE and NDL; SuSE is for KDE, NDL for gnome |
| 20:00.28 | Sho_ | liquidat: I have a German news posting here that quotes Holger Dyroff from Novell that Novell would continue to ship both desktops in all their products |
| 20:00.29 | Fri13 | solid_liq: Ok |
| 20:00.39 | liquidat | heise.de, hm? ;-) |
| 20:00.39 | Sho_ | liquidat: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/66011 |
| 20:00.51 | Sho_ | liquidat: That was a few days after the outcry over the Gnome decision |
| 20:01.04 | liquidat | Yes, found it also... damn, I was so sure that NLD ships only with Gnome... |
| 20:01.09 | liquidat | Ok, we still have Red Hat :-p |
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| 20:01.38 | Sho_ | liquidat: Yeah there's still RedHat ;) |
| 20:01.39 | liquidat | To give you a better idea what I mean: |
| 20:02.20 | solid_liq | I'd personally love to see a "gentoo next generation" distro :D |
| 20:02.27 | liquidat | I follow all the news around linux quite close (well, not close enough at it turned out :-p), and I get the feeling that all big distros are favouring Gnome, and just provide KDE as a add on, or are focusing on Gnome at all. |
| 20:02.52 | annma | Mandriva favours KDE |
| 20:03.10 | liquidat | Red Hat is no question, Kubuntu still has to proov that it can be as cool as Ubuntu, all NLD presentations and all new features from gnome are programmed for Gnome first, etc. |
| 20:03.17 | solid_liq | liquidat: that's because they're all scared of having to pay licensing to trolltech |
| 20:03.21 | liquidat | And Mandriva: well, there configuration tool is written in gtk... |
| 20:03.33 | liquidat | solid_liq: No one has to pay licences to Trolltech... |
| 20:03.34 | annma | but KDE installs per default |
| 20:03.51 | liquidat | Not if you are shipping in the way they do at Ubuntu or Red Hat.. |
| 20:04.12 | annma | in any case in the end the user makes his choice |
| 20:04.15 | solid_liq | liquidat: right, but they're scared trolltech will change its licensing and require fees in the future after the companies have made a substantial investment into using KDE |
| 20:04.21 | annma | bah |
| 20:04.36 | Sho_ | liquidat: I think that the situation is a little more complex than that. First there's the question of which markets the distros cater to. Fact of the matter is that the majority of Linux distributions aimed at consumers/end-users ship and fully support KDE (SuSE, Mandriva, Linspire, Xandros, ..). The distros you're talking about mostly cater to the corporate market. |
| 20:04.58 | liquidat | solid_liq: That#s garbage, Trolltech can't change the license - who tells such stuff? |
| 20:05.12 | solid_liq | liquidat: I'm talking about in future versions |
| 20:05.14 | Pinaraf | and that's rather surprising that they put gnome for corporate users |
| 20:05.24 | Sho_ | liquidat: The other issue is that the "Gnome camp", broadly speaking, is still doing a better job at marketing |
| 20:05.25 | solid_liq | liquidat: they can change the license with a new release |
| 20:05.31 | liquidat | solid_liq: They can't change the license even in future versions, just check the myth section of kde.org. |
| 20:05.31 | Pinaraf | gnome is far from "technological" completion |
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| 20:05.58 | solid_liq | the gnome camp seems to be full of marketers, and sorely lacking for good technical decision makers |
| 20:06.00 | sredna | Wow, flamewar!!! |
| 20:06.04 | Pinaraf | they are laking an incredible amount of features around integration for instance |
| 20:06.08 | Sho_ | liquidat: For example, you continue to hear about great Gnome deployments here and there, "yeah, we got another 30k seats!", but when you follow-up the news half a year later, they installed 10 machines and then went with something else because it didn't work |
| 20:06.11 | annma | we have a marketing group now in KDE |
| 20:06.22 | Sho_ | liquidat: Things like that continue to create a false impression |
| 20:06.29 | Pinaraf | annma: *now* |
| 20:06.51 | sredna | And pixel-layoted websites with rounded corners and gradient backgrounds :o |
| 20:06.52 | liquidat | Sho_: Well, NetworkManager (which still has problems in KDE) does create a quite nice impression - and beagle also. |
| 20:06.52 | Pinaraf | that's this small word which shows the issue |
| 20:06.54 | annma | and it depends where you live, you USA people have sometimes a biased view |
| 20:07.02 | annma | as USA is more GNOME |
| 20:07.09 | annma | but Europe is more KDE |
| 20:07.26 | annma | Brazil is quite KDE |
| 20:07.38 | solid_liq | I live in the US, and I don't know anyone here who uses gnome; only KDE |
| 20:08.00 | liquidat | annma: I know - but I think about payed developers - and if the big distros are focussing more on gnome, than there will be more payed work. |
| 20:08.01 | sredna | annma: You should have seen the reactions when I suggested #gentoo-dk to be less antiKDE based on denmark being a european contry ... |
| 20:08.02 | Pinaraf | and here in france, around me I see about 75% KDE - 25% gnome |
| 20:08.12 | Sho_ | liquidat: A couple of things that Gnome had to get working for Beagle, like addressbook integration across their PIM products and a global is-X-online-or-not provider framework KDE had long before them |
| 20:08.19 | liquidat | Ok - I come from germany, and all people I know use gnome :-D |
| 20:08.22 | Sho_ | liquidat: Beagle is marketed better .) |
| 20:08.23 | solid_liq | I think the problem with the marketing for KDE, as much as it sucks to say, may be too much honesty |
| 20:08.43 | solid_liq | ever noticed how all the biggest most successful companies always lie through their teeth? |
| 20:08.44 | liquidat | Sho_: Well, beagle works a lot better than kat - I had several tests running... |
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| 20:08.48 | Pinaraf | Sho_: they lack inter-app communication |
| 20:08.52 | Sho_ | liquidat: As for NetworkManager, I agree it's superior to the myriad of apps available for KDE right now, but with Solid KDE is finally getting its act together on the hardware support end, so the problems are being solved |
| 20:08.57 | annma | liquidat: bah as far as I can see Gnome lost ground |
| 20:09.00 | sredna | Kat is not even in beta state |
| 20:09.01 | Pinaraf | they lack Kparts |
| 20:09.05 | annma | users switched massively |
| 20:09.20 | sredna | But kat will come true |
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| 20:09.33 | sredna | Eventually... |
| 20:09.34 | Pinaraf | sredna: kat will die |
| 20:09.37 | Pinaraf | in KDE4 |
| 20:09.40 | liquidat | sredna: Well, I don't know, I don't see much happening there, which is very sad... |
| 20:09.44 | Pinaraf | it should disappear in the desktop |
| 20:09.56 | sredna | Pinaraf: Looks more like it will join with tenor |
| 20:09.57 | enver555 | i have a problem with kmail |
| 20:09.58 | Pinaraf | we shouldn't have to use kat, we should use a computer |
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| 20:10.03 | Gentle | sredna, what's kat? |
| 20:10.06 | solid_liq | for some reason, e17 seems to be really popular now with the gentoo crowd... |
| 20:10.08 | enver555 | and my gmail account |
| 20:10.10 | Pinaraf | with KDE |
| 20:10.14 | liquidat | The idea was to use kat as the base for Tenor, and the kat and the Klucene teams merged, but I don't see to much progress... :-/ |
| 20:10.19 | sredna | Kate is a indexing search engine |
| 20:10.20 | enver555 | he has messages to download |
| 20:10.24 | sredna | Kat I mean |
| 20:10.38 | Pinaraf | solid_liq: really ?? I don't understand how one can use e17 |
| 20:10.39 | enver555 | but it says that don't have mail messages to download |
| 20:10.39 | Gentle | sredna, ah, like that Gnome thingie, I see |
| 20:10.43 | joscha | ah theres a beagle counterpart for kde? |
| 20:10.49 | solid_liq | Pinaraf: no kidding! |
| 20:10.52 | enver555 | someone can help me? |
| 20:10.58 | Pinaraf | joscha: there's kat... |
| 20:11.04 | sredna | ... :o |
| 20:11.26 | annma | enver555: does gmail allow pop? |
| 20:11.30 | Pinaraf | enver555: are you sure kmail is the issue ? |
| 20:11.33 | Pinaraf | annma: yes |
| 20:11.35 | Sho_ | annma: yes |
| 20:11.36 | Pinaraf | a small option to set |
| 20:11.39 | enver555 | yes |
| 20:11.45 | Gentle | seems like the people haven't heard of kat yet ;) |
| 20:11.49 | Sho_ | Unfortunately no IMAP, which makes it quite useless :-) |
| 20:11.50 | annma | ok so what is the problem enver555 ? |
| 20:11.50 | liquidat | Sho_: About solid and kde4 - yes, you are right - but the future picture is still for me that I see big company support for gnome, and less company support for KDE... that's the basic problem I meant... |
| 20:12.21 | annma | liquidat: don't turn open source into business |
| 20:12.22 | enver555 | kmail don't download the messages |
| 20:12.30 | annma | just do your part |
| 20:12.30 | enver555 | i has about 1400 |
| 20:12.31 | Sho_ | liquidat: I think in the long term, consumers are more important |
| 20:12.40 | enver555 | kmail download about |
| 20:12.42 | enver555 | 700 |
| 20:12.51 | annma | liquidat: what matters in Free Software is what each individual does |
| 20:13.00 | Fri13 | Man... this was funny reading. First everyone is talking about kat, then someone ask help and nothing happens for 30 seconds... after that time, everyone runs to help :-D |
| 20:13.01 | annma | not what bug companies do |
| 20:13.11 | liquidat | annma: I don#t want to turn anything, but it's nice if the people can focus more on programming which is possible when they get a good job (good means here with a lot of freedoms). |
| 20:13.15 | enver555 | but now says that in Gmail account doesn't have nothing to download |
| 20:13.34 | enver555 | but in inbox are 600 messages to download |
| 20:13.37 | liquidat | annma: I think about aseigo and zack rusin here, which both seem to have such a contract. |
| 20:13.38 | annma | no, employed by a company is not alwaysfreedom |
| 20:13.59 | Pinaraf | enver555: it can be a gmail bug too, did you check it ? |
| 20:14.11 | liquidat | annma: I didn't say that it is freedom every time - I said almost the oposite, there is the need of a good contract which allows that. |
| 20:14.13 | annma | the most important part is the community and the fun and the good willing of developers who love doing that |
| 20:14.26 | annma | liquidat: ido you work in a free project? |
| 20:14.40 | Fri13 | enver555: has you checked gmail pop option that it will allow all emails to download? all olders too? |
| 20:14.51 | liquidat | annma: That depends on what you mean with "work" - I do not program, but I'M responsible for the kat wiki, for example. |
| 20:14.51 | enver555 | all is good |
| 20:15.04 | liquidat | And, sure, I wrote quite a lot for the german wikipedia. |
| 20:15.18 | annma | but you want to get paid? |
| 20:15.23 | liquidat | Besides that: several bug reports against kde bugs, the usual stuff. |
| 20:15.36 | liquidat | annma: ? Have I anything written about getting paid? |
| 20:15.47 | annma | about companies and all |
| 20:15.53 | solid_liq | enver555: gmail will only let you download so many of the newest messages, and that's it. I've run into that problem myself |
| 20:15.59 | liquidat | annma: ? |
| 20:16.14 | enver555 | yes maybe |
| 20:16.22 | annma | you're arguing we need more paid devels in kde |
| 20:16.28 | enver555 | it download now some messages |
| 20:16.55 | solid_liq | more paid kde devs would be a good thing |
| 20:17.17 | annma | not sure |
| 20:17.27 | liquidat | annma: No - I just pointed out that gnome get's more company work. Together with statements from some people like aseigo, who have a contract which gives them a lot of freedom, I raised the thought if there is probably less company support for KDE than for gnome. |
| 20:17.41 | annma | GNOME is less free than KDE as a community in fact |
| 20:17.44 | liquidat | company support instead of company work. |
| 20:18.05 | liquidat | annma: Ho do you messure that? |
| 20:18.22 | annma | because no companies are involved in kde |
| 20:18.41 | annma | the community seld manages KDE |
| 20:18.42 | annma | self |
| 20:18.55 | liquidat | They seem to be quite free - Novell developed their ideas behind the curtain because they were expecting that they wouldn't be able to move the gnome folks like they would like to. |
| 20:18.59 | annma | i'd love to see a comparison of how decisions are made for example |
| 20:19.38 | liquidat | annma: They have a board, similar to KDE, afaik. |
| 20:19.49 | annma | board? |
| 20:20.09 | annma | there's no board as such in KDE |
| 20:20.13 | Sho_ | liquidat: On which you get a seat for 10k USD donation, I believe :-) |
| 20:20.16 | annma | it's the bazaar model |
| 20:20.21 | HuntsMan | maybe he means the KDE eV |
| 20:20.44 | liquidat | Sho_: ? |
| 20:20.50 | annma | the KDE eV has not made any devlopment decision so far |
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| 20:21.19 | liquidat | annma: Gnome is organized as a foundation, and they have foundation leaders - I don't know more about what they are allowed to do and to decide. |
| 20:21.19 | HuntsMan | yeah |
| 20:21.28 | annma | KDE eV now is meant to try to structure things as the bazaar cannot stay |
| 20:21.34 | liquidat | annma: What kind of decision do you mean? |
| 20:21.36 | Sho_ | liquidat: AFAIR Gnome has a system in place that elevates your opinion depending on how regularly and how much is donated |
| 20:21.37 | annma | they have leaders, you said it |
| 20:21.46 | annma | we don't |
| 20:21.54 | liquidat | Sho_: Well, sounds quite open and not company driven... |
| 20:21.57 | annma | I am as much a leader than Matthias Ettrich |
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| 20:22.27 | liquidat | annma: Well - their is the KDE e.V., and that have leaders too, because it is a "eingetragener Verein", and therefore has to have people - it's the german version of a foundation. |
| 20:22.34 | HuntsMan | liquidat: just see how much the user's opinion matters in GNOME |
| 20:22.47 | annma | the KDE eV did not do anything so far liquidat |
| 20:22.57 | annma | you're mistaken about the eV |
| 20:23.00 | Sho_ | liquidat: only that nobody but companies can make such large donations :) |
| 20:23.08 | annma | it had nothing to do with KDE development |
| 20:23.12 | liquidat | annma: I didn't say that the gnome foundation leaders had decided anything - I said I do not know what rights they have! |
| 20:23.34 | liquidat | Sho_: Sorry, I got the "donated" as code donation... |
| 20:23.42 | annma | well as I heard there are leaders in gnome and they decide |
| 20:24.09 | liquidat | annma: No, you mistake what I write - I didn't write anything about the decision structures of gnome, nether did I for KDE. |
| 20:24.10 | annma | while in kde nowhere people who contributed have as much power than others |
| 20:24.20 | annma | well, good then |
| 20:24.23 | Sho_ | liquidat: Yeah, I meant money :) |
| 20:24.27 | annma | just remember what i said |
| 20:24.33 | liquidat | I just wrote that both have leaders - they are the responsible people in law for the e.V. and the Foundation. That's all I wrote. |
| 20:24.42 | liquidat | Sho_: Interesting - do you have a source? |
| 20:24.43 | annma | KDE has no leaders |
| 20:24.55 | liquidat | annma: But is forming a technical decision group... |
| 20:24.59 | annma | if you define KDE leader as KDE eV you are mistaken |
| 20:25.04 | annma | is forming |
| 20:25.19 | Sho_ | liquidat: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2000-August/msg00000.html |
| 20:25.21 | annma | as i said the bazar is too much to manage for 1 release dude |
| 20:25.31 | annma | but so far, no leaders |
| 20:25.34 | Sho_ | liquidat: Read "GNOME Advisory Board - Overview" |
| 20:25.39 | liquidat | annma: Please: read, what I write, and add the fact, that not everyone is a english native speaker - just take it as I write: a e.V. has to have "leaders", responsible person in law" or whatever you call tehem. |
| 20:25.49 | liquidat | Sho_: Thanks.. |
| 20:25.56 | rdale | "the KDE eV has not made any devlopment decision so far" - well we've just elected a Technical Working Group today.. |
| 20:25.58 | annma | eV is a law thing |
| 20:26.02 | annma | not a leadership thing |
| 20:26.15 | annma | rdale: so far = until today |
| 20:26.24 | annma | not announced yet |
| 20:26.32 | rdale | yes |
| 20:26.35 | Sho_ | well, that's not true |
| 20:26.45 | Sho_ | The formation of a Technical Working Group has been public knowledge before |
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| 20:26.56 | annma | before the eV did not take any part in any development decision as far as i know |
| 20:26.58 | liquidat | annma: Ok, than replace the "leader" with something appropriate in your language. |
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| 20:27.08 | annma | liquidat: yes, leader is misleading |
| 20:27.21 | rdale | we've always had a release dude |
| 20:28.29 | annma | rdale: but he is not a leader who takes development decisions |
| 20:28.29 | annma | he relies on mailing lists |
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| 20:28.30 | annma | he does not say: i decide that and this |
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| 20:28.40 | rdale | I think he puts up suggestions for discussion, but has the final say |
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| 20:28.41 | liquidat | Sho_: "The Advisory Board will have no decision - making ability." |
| 20:28.50 | annma | i don;t see the release dude as a leader, i see him like an organizer |
| 20:28.58 | Sho_ | liquidat: Formally ;-) |
| 20:29.02 | annma | all release dudes did not rule anything |
| 20:29.18 | liquidat | Sho_: I don't know, I'm not deep in gnome decision making stuff. |
| 20:29.19 | annma | as far as i analyze it |
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| 20:29.31 | Sho_ | liquidat: Nor am I, but I certainly don't like it ;) |
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| 20:31.10 | liquidat | Hm, "Charter of the Technical Working Group of the KDE e.V." says: "It should also support and guide the processes of taking technical decisions within the KDE project." |
| 20:31.13 | liquidat | Guide is a nice word... |
| 20:31.31 | annma | liquidat: that's new and not applied yet |
| 20:31.48 | annma | as we said the TWG was voted today |
| 20:31.53 | liquidat | annma: Sure? It is direct linked as an official document from the kde page. |
| 20:32.01 | annma | so it exists only for a few hours |
| 20:32.10 | annma | sure, yes, rdale said so |
| 20:32.37 | annma | it's something for the future |
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| 20:32.57 | liquidat | http://ev.kde.org/corporate/ |
| 20:32.58 | sett | is there some tray app for kde to check mail? |
| 20:33.26 | annma | liquidat: when you are a kde devel the eV until today had nothing to do with you |
| 20:33.35 | annma | the eV is now changing |
| 20:34.14 | liquidat | More or less - several devs are member, as far as I got it... |
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| 20:34.44 | Sho_ | liquidat: pretty much all e.v. members are devs |
| 20:35.01 | Sho_ | I mean, who else? :) |
| 20:35.39 | StevenR | sett: kmail can hide in the tray, and there's korn and kbiff too |
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| 20:36.18 | sett | nice |
| 20:36.18 | sett | thx |
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| 20:36.31 | sett | just wanted a tray shower |
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| 20:37.28 | liquidat | Hm, something else I would like to know: is there anyone who knows which is the favoured distro among the kde developers? |
| 20:37.49 | Sho_ | liquidat: I don't think there is one |
| 20:38.02 | TecnoVM64 | People I have a big issue, ksycoca says there's no database and i can't find a way to rebuild it, even using kbuildsycoca --noincremental, any ideas? |
| 20:38.09 | Sho_ | liquidat: Debian, Kubuntu, Mandriva, Gentoo all seem to be popular, and many others have their users |
| 20:38.09 | liquidat | Sho_: I, ok, thought there is probably something "special" :) |
| 20:38.13 | Sho_ | SuSE too, of course |
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| 20:38.44 | liquidat | Ah yes, and I'm one of the few using Fedora ;-) |
| 20:39.02 | Sho_ | Yeah, I would say Fedora is probably not in the top 10 ;) |
| 20:39.39 | liquidat | But that's a "problem" of my course of studies :-D |
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| 20:40.05 | stjepan | hello |
| 20:40.20 | stjepan | I use moodin ksplash theme |
| 20:40.26 | stjepan | but there is a problem |
| 20:40.41 | stjepan | I want it to be shown a for little longer time |
| 20:40.44 | stjepan | how to do that? |
| 20:40.52 | stjepan | is there a sleep option? |
| 20:40.59 | sredna | Have a huge session :o |
| 20:41.06 | liquidat | stjepan: Add some more programs to autostart probably? SCNR |
| 20:41.07 | liquidat | ;) |
| 20:41.10 | Sho_ | sredna: lol |
| 20:41.18 | Sho_ | Great dorks think alike ;-) |
| 20:41.23 | stjepan | heh |
| 20:42.18 | sredna | Even while having a huge session... |
| 20:42.35 | sredna | So who will sponsor me a modern amd64 PC? :p |
| 20:42.49 | liquidat | Hm, that reminds me of a idea I had for some replacement of this stuff. |
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| 20:42.50 | stjepan | Sho_: try prelink :) |
| 20:42.56 | Sho_ | stjepan: :-) |
| 20:43.24 | liquidat | sredna: Ha, I'm working on a new project know, and they have a dual opteron with 2 GB ram and 3 TB hard disk... that's something I like ;-) |
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| 20:43.55 | sredna | Even I dont' seem to need 3tb hd, but I'd like the rest of it :-) |
| 20:43.59 | IceD^^ | btw |
| 20:44.18 | IceD^^ | SSL icon at bottom right in konqueror is TOO big |
| 20:44.23 | IceD^^ | (3.5.1) |
| 20:44.29 | SimAtWork | http://widgets.yahoo.com/yahooweatherwidget/ <--- IS yahoo taking super karamba code and calling it their own?? |
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| 20:45.22 | liquidat | SimAtWork: Nope, that's konfabulator. |
| 20:45.24 | Sho_ | liquidat: The Fedora packages of Konversation 0.19 were the first available, btw ;) |
| 20:45.37 | liquidat | Has been bought by yahoo quite some time ago. |
| 20:45.46 | liquidat | Sho_: Really? nice, I wasn't aware of that :-) |
| 20:45.50 | SimAtWork | ahhhh |
| 20:45.56 | SimAtWork | stupid yahoo |
| 20:46.00 | Sho_ | liquidat: fedora-extras does have some very nice kde packagers :) |
| 20:46.08 | annma | all kde devls use different distros in the same proportions as users |
| 20:46.17 | Sho_ | yeah, annma is right |
| 20:46.20 | liquidat | Sho_: Yes, you are right - Rex Dieter is there the main figure, I think. |
| 20:46.29 | annma | probably most do like I do: they self-compile their KDE though |
| 20:46.33 | Sho_ | liquidat: dgilmore is our fedora packager :) |
| 20:46.41 | liquidat | Sho_: But on the other hand chance is quite high that they will kick out KDE of core, and I'm not sure if that will help... |
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| 20:46.55 | liquidat | annma: May I ask on which distribution base? |
| 20:47.07 | annma | mandriva for me |
| 20:47.17 | SimAtWork | annma: i figured most developers used gentoo |
| 20:47.23 | annma | my husband even bought a mandriva DVD |
| 20:47.24 | Sho_ | SimAtWork: No |
| 20:47.28 | annma | SimAtWork: surely not |
| 20:47.31 | Sho_ | SimAtWork: Although Gentoo is quite popular. |
| 20:47.32 | tstaerk | SimAtWork, I found out the opposite |
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| 20:47.51 | annma | gentoo often is too tiring and abandoned after 1/2 years |
| 20:48.00 | annma | as we already compile kde all day |
| 20:48.03 | liquidat | Hm, is there someone checking the kde wiki regularly? |
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| 20:48.09 | tstaerk | annma, exactly |
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| 20:48.13 | liquidat | We just got rid of them in the kat wiki, now kde seems to have them: |
| 20:48.14 | liquidat | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE%20Wiki%20Guide |
| 20:48.31 | liquidat | annma: Thx for the answer. |
| 20:50.02 | annma | the kde wiki is not the best thing |
| 20:50.13 | SimAtWork | how can it be |
| 20:50.17 | SimAtWork | kde is the best "thing" :) |
| 20:50.18 | annma | it's often outdated and it's difficutl to find anything |
| 20:50.40 | liquidat | annma: Hm, I'm not so familiar with the tiki wiki, and although I tried to help here and there in the kde wiki I just don't get a grip on the tiki wiki.... :-/ |
| 20:50.45 | tstaerk | annma, do you have a better proposal than a wiki ? |
| 20:51.03 | Sho_ | I wish they'd switch to MediaWiki and clean up the navigation. |
| 20:51.16 | annma | tstaerk: no but i see wikis better managed than kde's |
| 20:51.20 | liquidat | tstaerk: From my point of view (poer user, average wikipedia contributor) a wikimedia wiki would make more sense - just because I'm very familiar with it. |
| 20:51.21 | annma | Sho_: exactly |
| 20:51.28 | tstaerk | annma, that's exactly what I am seeing. |
| 20:51.44 | annma | however i canot manage a wiki myself |
| 20:51.51 | annma | so i won't be too harsh |
| 20:52.03 | annma | the guy who provides it does it best |
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| 20:52.25 | tstaerk | and it is not bad - it just could be better |
| 20:52.38 | liquidat | Hm, if there is help neede - I have some experiences at least in keeping an eye on wikis, and cleaning them/providing that they are not flooded by bad stuff. |
| 20:52.45 | liquidat | Would it make sense to offer help somewhere? |
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| 20:52.56 | annma | liquidat: to the wiki webmaster |
| 20:53.26 | drivamgr2006 | Evening all. Has anyone in here ever heard of a package for KDE called Showfoto? |
| 20:53.43 | liquidat | drivamgr2006: It's included in digikam |
| 20:53.55 | annma | it replaces digikam? |
| 20:53.59 | annma | as a name? |
| 20:54.04 | annma | not sure |
| 20:54.07 | drivamgr2006 | ah. that's why i have not been able to dl it seperately! |
| 20:54.13 | drivamgr2006 | oh ******** |
| 20:54.13 | annma | i saw commits but did not look close |
| 20:54.16 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 20:54.20 | Sho_ | drivamgr2006: Showfoto is distributed with digikam |
| 20:54.21 | drivamgr2006 | thanks |
| 20:54.21 | liquidat | annma: It replaces? Are you really, really sure? I would almost bet against that... |
| 20:54.29 | annma | i said not sure |
| 20:54.37 | Sho_ | showfoto is a component of digikam, it does not replace it |
| 20:54.37 | Fri13 | :-P |
| 20:54.40 | annma | look in websvn |
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| 20:54.50 | annma | ok i thought somehow it was a new name |
| 20:55.01 | annma | as i always foud digikam too vague |
| 20:55.06 | liquidat | annma: Ah, ok, sorry - I really love digikam, and follow the development very close, and so I was shocked :-D |
| 20:55.09 | annma | so i made it up |
| 20:55.22 | annma | my brain fooled me |
| 20:55.29 | sredna | Showfoto is the digikam viewer/editor |
| 20:55.40 | sredna | A very nice application :-) |
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| 20:56.04 | Fri13 | yes |
| 20:56.35 | Fri13 | i could say digikam+showfoto is even better than picasa :-) |
| 20:57.04 | Fri13 | I dont like gwenview's name :-D |
| 20:57.06 | Fri13 | there is no K ;-) |
| 20:57.08 | liquidat | call |
| 20:57.16 | annma | kall |
| 20:57.19 | liquidat | I'm off now - have a nice evening every one! |
| 20:57.20 | Fri13 | ;-) |
| 20:57.21 | liquidat | :-p |
| 20:57.25 | Sho_ | Fri13: it's a KDE app, though ;) |
| 20:57.48 | Fri13 | Sho_: yes, even it is but name says it is for Gnome :-/ |
| 20:58.01 | Sho_ | It's true however, the name is a curious choice ;-) |
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| 20:58.53 | Fri13 | It's like i cant ever explain to my friend why usually K is in KDE app name. |
| 20:59.26 | annma | because G is in gnome apps |
| 20:59.30 | Fri13 | Like he would like to see always just a "video player" and "CD burner" or "Music player". |
| 20:59.43 | annma | but there are several of each |
| 20:59.55 | annma | he can keep only a description in his K menu though |
| 20:59.57 | Fri13 | He dont understand G in gnome too... :-P |
| 21:00.09 | annma | lol |
| 21:00.14 | annma | ;) I bet |
| 21:00.18 | annma | tell him it |
| 21:00.24 | annma | s easier for developers |
| 21:00.35 | tstaerk | one could rename k3b to kroaster |
| 21:00.36 | annma | choosing a name is more and more of a strain |
| 21:00.49 | annma | with copyrights and TM |
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| 21:01.29 | Fri13 | annma: yes, i told him those but he's opinion is all application names should tell what it does... like konsole dont tell what it is but console will... |
| 21:01.30 | annma | adding a K amend the name nicely |
| 21:01.47 | annma | console, i suppose it's already taken |
| 21:02.03 | annma | he can submit new names provided he researched about TM |
| 21:02.05 | Fri13 | I like that K idea. |
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| 21:02.12 | annma | Sho_: yes |
| 21:02.21 | annma | it is indeed |
| 21:02.25 | Sho_ | (shameless plug :) |
| 21:02.25 | Fri13 | you mean klever ;-) |
| 21:02.31 | Sho_ | Fri13: :) |
| 21:02.35 | Ahcoeur | Kasserole |
| 21:02.49 | Sho_ | I still think the garbage collector for kjs should be internally named "krap" |
| 21:02.55 | annma | lol |
| 21:03.20 | Ahcoeur | annma ca roule ? |
| 21:03.27 | annma | oui! |
| 21:03.42 | Ahcoeur | je te laisse bosser j'ai des vilains parses a corriger |
| 21:03.46 | Fri13 | My opinion is that application name should be unique. Because if every app name should use same rule as windows media player or windows internet exploder, how any one knows what software someone is using? |
| 21:04.08 | Ahcoeur | VOTE FRI13 |
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| 21:04.39 | Fri13 | Ahcoeur: vote where and what? :-P |
| 21:04.45 | Ahcoeur | vote for u |
| 21:04.53 | Fri13 | Ah, ok... about what? :-P |
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| 21:05.07 | Ahcoeur | the unique name |
| 21:05.08 | Ahcoeur | lol |
| 21:05.37 | Ahcoeur | we should call everything aKoeur |
| 21:05.48 | rdale | "windows media player" - how uncool and crap can you possibly get with that compared with iPod/iTunes for instance |
| 21:06.11 | Fri13 | But isin't that simple "rule" for every application? I readed that, hmm... what was that name... report of application names. "Why linux software names are bad" ? |
| 21:06.39 | Fri13 | in that raport has windows/adobe software names vs linux application names. |
| 21:06.48 | Ahcoeur | hum |
| 21:07.00 | Ahcoeur | a name is a very important thing ! |
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| 21:07.21 | Ahcoeur | if it is too hard to memorize u are sur to have no success |
| 21:07.22 | annma | Fri13: how do you find unique names that describe sanely an app? |
| 21:07.32 | Fri13 | like Photoshop vs Gimp and Word vs Kword, excel vs Kspread |
| 21:07.36 | annma | for ex Gwenview, what would you propose/ |
| 21:07.51 | Ahcoeur | annma ca sert a quoi ce truc , |
| 21:08.04 | annma | ;) don't know |
| 21:08.08 | Ahcoeur | Lol |
| 21:08.31 | Fri13 | I dont know... i haven't looked Gwenview options and what it can do... i only like to use because it is default and it will resize pictures to fit window well... |
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| 21:08.45 | Fri13 | but if i need to use something in konqueror, it is kuickshow. |
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| 21:09.18 | Ahcoeur | kacdsee |
| 21:09.23 | Fri13 | naeh :-P |
| 21:09.27 | annma | in theory it looks easy to pick up nice names but in practice it's tricky |
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| 21:09.53 | Fri13 | But if someone ask what i think first when i see Gwenview i think one knight of king Richard :-P |
| 21:10.06 | stjepan | pls tell something to me (I am testing systray icon notification) |
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| 21:10.20 | Fri13 | stjepan: what are you testing? |
| 21:10.29 | Ahcoeur | Fri13 gwenael |
| 21:10.36 | annma | stjepan: hiya |
| 21:10.39 | Sho_ | Fri13: Well, the Knights of King Richard were quite well known for their ability to rotate, scale and render images of any sort. It's an obvious association! |
| 21:10.45 | Sho_ | :) |
| 21:10.48 | Fri13 | kwenael, it sounds more like indian word :-P |
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| 21:11.03 | Fri13 | Sho_: :-D |
| 21:11.09 | Fri13 | lol |
| 21:11.20 | Ahcoeur | a apu rice kwenael ? |
| 21:11.39 | Sho_ | I think the worst name is probably "Krita" though ;-) |
| 21:11.51 | fredrikh | Sho_: why? |
| 21:12.03 | Ahcoeur | Karolita |
| 21:12.06 | Fri13 | Krita is.... it is bretty good... |
| 21:12.38 | Sho_ | fredrikh: Obviously that's quite subjective, but to my ears "Krita" doesn't sound very pleasing, too heavy on the hard consonants :) |
| 21:12.52 | Fri13 | Sho_: you are right... |
| 21:13.00 | tstaerk | Sho_, right! |
| 21:13.12 | annma | KR is hard, yes you should say Kay-Rita |
| 21:13.23 | Fri13 | Kay-Ray ;-) |
| 21:13.29 | fredrikh | Sho_: krita means crayon in many languages |
| 21:13.30 | tstaerk | so, rita is the generic name ;) |
| 21:13.41 | fredrikh | Sho_: so it's a word that actually means something |
| 21:13.44 | tstaerk | like in kay-word or kay-mail ? |
| 21:13.46 | Sho_ | fredrikh: Interesting, I didn't know that :) |
| 21:13.59 | annma | it's on the KRita website |
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| 21:14.11 | annma | KOffice rules! |
| 21:14.22 | tstaerk | only the name ;) |
| 21:14.24 | annma | sorry i got carried away |
| 21:14.24 | Fri13 | annma: how so? |
| 21:14.42 | annma | how so? because I work on the website |
| 21:15.00 | tstaerk | yes... and I use kword to create a website. |
| 21:15.02 | annma | and on the docs and small stuff |
| 21:15.15 | annma | so i am tainted, Fri13 that's all |
| 21:15.20 | tstaerk | for that I had to patch all filters in an enormous extend |
| 21:15.25 | Ahcoeur | KassKrout |
| 21:15.28 | Ahcoeur | c cool ca |
| 21:15.29 | Fri13 | I didnt like kword before this new beta :-P |
| 21:15.38 | annma | I replaced Gimp by Krita |
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| 21:15.55 | tstaerk | d'accord on appellerait ca en kde-fr |
| 21:16.10 | Ahcoeur | tstaerk tsk tsk |
| 21:16.15 | Fri13 | But now i like kword because of this :-P http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32145 |
| 21:16.25 | Sho_ | Unfortunately both Gimp and Krita still don't implement a history brush :) |
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| 21:19.19 | Fri13 | Btw. is there way to get flash to run in somekind window when KDE starts? |
| 21:19.40 | Sho_ | autostart? :) |
| 21:20.39 | Fri13 | I would like to get flash running in window where is no any toolboxes, just windeco. Because i would like to do "presentation" of KDE for first time users when they starts KDE. |
| 21:20.57 | Fri13 | And i would do it with flash because it can have nice animations. |
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| 21:21.55 | Pinaraf | Fri13: you can write an extremely small app (with gambas, python or whatever your want) to only show the HTML page containing the flash anim |
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| 21:21.59 | Fri13 | It would drop that "hard" step when user starts using KDE when he/she knows little bit where everything is. Like "right click" for options and others... |
| 21:22.52 | Fri13 | Pinaraf: mayby i would just leave that "coding" for others who know least something about it ;-) |
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| 21:23.50 | Pinaraf | Fri13: with gambas that's extremely easy to do, but it requires gambas to be installed |
| 21:24.01 | Cody` | Anyone know what I need to checkout to build kde4 from subversion? |
| 21:24.08 | Cody` | branches/work/kde4? |
| 21:24.39 | Fri13 | Pinaraf: Mayby i just try to do that flash first and then i kontact you ;-) |
| 21:24.54 | Pinaraf | if you want... |
| 21:25.15 | fredrikh | Cody`: no, trunk |
| 21:25.35 | Sho_ | Pinaraf: You can probably do that with a Konqueror profile and kstart |
| 21:25.37 | Sho_ | err |
| 21:25.40 | Sho_ | Fri13 I mean |
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| 21:26.03 | Pinaraf | Sho_: yes, but I don't really know how to do that... And I'm not sure how much you can customise... |
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| 21:29.22 | floyd_n_milan | i can't build a search index in khelpcentre, in the dialogue that opens, it says Application Manuals Missing. What path do i set for the Index folder? |
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| 21:30.04 | Cody` | fredrikh: thanks, I also found something on the wiki, so I think I'm set |
| 21:31.26 | neighborlee | trying to extract tar.gz to desired DIR with ark and im getting: could not start a subprocesss and wondering if its ark bug or my OS which is pcbsd running kde 3.5 ? ;;-) |
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| 21:32.05 | Sho_ | .oO (Sometimes I think ark is one big bug :) |
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| 21:33.26 | Knowerrors | I just got a modem installed as /dev/536ep0, however, kppp doesn't show 536ep0 under modem devices, so I did "sudo ln -s 536ep0 modem" which works until I reboot, how do I make it stay or be visible to kppp? |
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| 21:48.18 | nitishp | Hello. |
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| 21:48.32 | Ahcoeur | nitishp hey |
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| 21:50.52 | cencioni | CE N'È DI ITALIANI? |
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| 21:52.39 | pm | cencioni, pan jest włochem? |
| 21:52.53 | pm | spaghetti!! |
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| 21:52.58 | cencioni | OK |
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| 21:54.11 | pm | Io non sono italiano :( |
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| 21:56.45 | lostson | DietrichR_: -4321`1223467890-=-0987 |
| 21:56.46 | lostson | \ |
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| 21:57.14 | tstaerk | pm, maybe kde-pl is for you |
| 21:57.25 | tstaerk | pm, I mean the channel #kde-pl |
| 21:57.35 | pm | i'm not sure |
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| 21:58.52 | pm | is this channel for native english spekares only? |
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| 21:59.01 | pm | english uber alles? |
| 21:59.19 | tambu | Hey trying to setup a printer with kde print manager using cups. It's an smb printer on another machine.. I did the scan option but it doesn't find the computer for some reason.. I tried adding the printer ip to the server field and clicking next but test print fails.. any thoughts? |
| 21:59.26 | tstaerk | pm, no, most only try to speak english ;) |
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| 22:01.15 | martoss | pm, if you don't *want* to speak english, you should look for an other channel -> #kde.de |
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| 22:02.29 | martoss | but normally nobody has a problem with spelling mistakes |
| 22:02.31 | pm | maybe my english is not fluent but i try to do my best at least |
| 22:03.08 | pm | btw, why kde.de? |
| 22:05.14 | cencioni | I am >italian, spaghetti, pizza, Armani ...... |
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| 22:06.55 | pm | cencioni, sorry about spaghetti ;) |
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| 22:07.14 | cencioni | ok |
| 22:07.15 | pm | it was just a quote from a polish comedy ;) |
| 22:07.18 | cencioni | pm |
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| 22:22.18 | raf256 | pm: so, how do neo-communists in poland do nowdays? like the president rydzyk and leader of goverment kaczyński? ;) |
| 22:22.34 | raf256 | or vice-versa was it |
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| 22:41.51 | nitishp_ | Hello. |
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| 22:42.11 | pinotree | hello nitishp_ |
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| 22:42.36 | ricflazz | is there something like top for kde? |
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| 22:42.39 | nitishp | Is there a way to get the kdm to premount windows shares using krb5 before the user logs in? |
| 22:42.57 | pinotree | ricflazz: ksysguard |
| 22:43.21 | ricflazz | pinotree: thanks |
| 22:43.28 | pinotree | nitishp: i guess that is even more low level that kdm, that should be mounted at init |
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| 22:43.42 | pinotree | that should not a kdm task, iirc |
| 22:43.46 | nitishp_ | I guess I should explain a bit more about my situation. |
| 22:44.00 | nitishp_ | Alright, so these computers are to be dual bootable in Windows / Ubuntu Linux. |
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| 22:44.09 | nitishp_ | There are 1450 students that might login.. |
| 22:44.15 | nitishp_ | So we need to be able to account for that. |
| 22:44.46 | nitishp_ | So by preloading everyone's shares locally that could be a security hazard. |
| 22:45.06 | nitishp_ | Is there any way to mount it as one logs in through kdm? |
| 22:45.16 | nitishp_ | it being the Windows shares that are on a separate server. |
| 22:45.28 | nitishp_ | So say john.doe09 wanted to login. |
| 22:45.44 | nitishp_ | He'd enter john.doe09 and it would mount his Windows shares from a separate server. |
| 22:45.51 | nitishp_ | When he logs out... it would unmount his shares. |
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| 22:47.54 | rares000 | is there a kde app that displays track information for mp3 streams? |
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| 22:48.41 | ricflazz | rares000: amarok |
| 22:53.53 | floyd_n_milan | a good mp3 tag editor for KDE? |
| 22:54.08 | floyd_n_milan | right now im having to use easytag |
| 22:54.50 | markey | JuK :) |
| 22:55.00 | floyd_n_milan | as a tag editor? |
| 22:55.07 | markey | I hear it's OK |
| 22:55.20 | PhilRod | yeah, it's nice |
| 22:55.20 | markey | it's a tagger mainly |
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| 22:55.52 | markey | kid3 is another tagger for kde |
| 22:56.04 | floyd_n_milan | ok i'll give it a try |
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| 22:56.38 | PhilRod | nitishp_: to run commands at login and logout, use ~/.kde/env and ~/.kde/shutdown. See: |
| 22:56.40 | PhilRod | ~autostart |
| 22:56.42 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2558687 |
| 22:57.26 | nitishp | PhilRod: I think that might be the answer to my problems. |
| 22:57.44 | nitishp | I have to go home now, so I won't have physical access to this machine until Monday. |
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| 22:57.49 | nitishp | Until then I'll test stuff at home. |
| 22:57.51 | markey | beta coming up this weekend |
| 22:57.52 | nitishp | Thanks PhilRod :) |
| 22:58.03 | nitishp | Later everyone. |
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| 23:20.49 | reagleBRKLN | anyone use vmware? urd:/e> artsdsp -v vmware - > artsdsp works only for binaries |
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| 23:26.32 | MegaByte | Yo |
| 23:26.42 | MegaByte | How do I make alsa and arts play nice together? |
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| 23:30.02 | ThinkingInBinary | MegaByte: beg it? ;-) |
| 23:30.18 | MegaByte | :P |
| 23:30.22 | ThinkingInBinary | MegaByte: Does it give any error messages or just not play sound? |
| 23:30.51 | MegaByte | ThinkingInBinary: when I use an application that uses alsa, it gives me an error as if alsa was not present |
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| 23:31.28 | Wizz_kidd | dammit |
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| 23:31.42 | Wizz_kidd | i cant dorp files on my win partition and im on root |
| 23:31.43 | Wizz_kidd | wtf |
| 23:32.18 | bsd77565 | reagleBRKLN: edit the vmware script and add artsdsp to the binary it calls |
| 23:32.44 | Wizz_kidd | any help here |
| 23:33.19 | ThinkingInBinary | MegaByte: Sorry, can't really think of what to do. |
| 23:33.32 | agliodbs | Wizz_kidd: sorry, don't have a windows partition |
| 23:34.02 | MegaByte | Anyone? |
| 23:34.09 | Wizz_kidd | grrrrrrrr |
| 23:34.19 | Wizz_kidd | i can copy files from it but its saying i dont got permissions |
| 23:34.49 | agliodbs | probably the partition/folder appears to Linux to be read-only |
| 23:34.54 | agliodbs | what WIndows FS? |
| 23:34.56 | bsd77565 | Wizz_kidd: ntfs partition? |
| 23:35.01 | Wizz_kidd | yes |
| 23:35.04 | Wizz_kidd | ntfs yes |
| 23:35.11 | agliodbs | ah, then it IS read-only |
| 23:35.22 | Wizz_kidd | any way around that |
| 23:35.35 | Wizz_kidd | to make it write also or something |
| 23:35.56 | bsd77565 | I think ntfs write support is still pretty limited. |
| 23:36.10 | agliodbs | you'd have to reformat your windows drive as FAT32 |
| 23:36.14 | Wizz_kidd | grrrrrr |
| 23:36.18 | Wizz_kidd | cannot do ;) |
| 23:36.20 | Wizz_kidd | lol |
| 23:36.34 | ThinkingInBinary | ntfs = bad. |
| 23:37.03 | Wizz_kidd | but theres no packages 2 get it 2 write 2 ntfs |
| 23:37.19 | agliodbs | there are, but they're experimental |
| 23:37.28 | agliodbs | you'd need to be a linux hacker to use them |
| 23:37.44 | agliodbs | otherwise you're more likely than not to just wipe out your Windows |
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| 23:40.15 | benkong2 | what do I have to do to get konversation to input my nick password automatically? |
| 23:40.29 | Wizz_kidd | hmmmmmmmm |
| 23:40.34 | ThinkingInBinary | benkong2: it's in the settings. |
| 23:40.54 | Sho_ | benkong2: F8 |
| 23:41.10 | benkong2 | i put the password in in the settings for the server and the other place |
| 23:41.41 | bsd77565 | it goes in identies |
| 23:41.46 | Sho_ | benkong2: Look in the properties of your identity |
| 23:41.49 | bsd77565 | identities, rather |
| 23:41.49 | ThinkingInBinary | benkong2: Sorry, it's in File > Server List > Edit > Edit Identity. |
| 23:41.51 | benkong2 | Sho_: under there i have it in the servicee and auto |
| 23:42.04 | Wizz_kidd | dammit |
| 23:42.10 | Wizz_kidd | so there no way i can transfer |
| 23:42.10 | Wizz_kidd | wtf |
| 23:42.16 | benkong2 | ok checking. I am using the default should I create my own? |
| 23:42.16 | Wizz_kidd | how u gonna read but not write hmmmmm |
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| 23:42.24 | bsd77565 | benkong2: service=nickserv |
| 23:42.27 | Sho_ | benkong2: Service = nickserv, password = your password |
| 23:42.29 | ThinkingInBinary | benkong2: the default is fine |
| 23:42.40 | benkong2 | thanks |
| 23:42.56 | benkong2 | aha! service ok BRB |
| 23:42.57 | ThinkingInBinary | benkong2: You're welcome. |
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| 23:45.00 | benkong2 | Sho_: worked just like KDE should |
| 23:45.23 | benkong2 | now if I could just stop Kmix from opening each time I login I'll be good to go. |
| 23:45.50 | benkong2 | I kill all kmix processes and logout out and kmix starts again each time I login |
| 23:46.05 | Sho_ | remove it from the autostart, then |
| 23:46.25 | benkong2 | there is nothing in any of the rc.d's either. Where is the autostart? |
| 23:46.41 | Sho_ | Go -> Autostart in Konqueror |
| 23:46.56 | benkong2 | aha! thanks |
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| 23:48.58 | benkong2 | Sho_: hmmmm is the Autostart a menu item? I don't see it in the settings. :-// |
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| 23:49.33 | Sho_ | benkong2: The "Go" menu in the menu bar, then "Autostart" |
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| 23:49.51 | Wizz_kidd | Add the following two lines to your .bash_profile: |
| 23:49.57 | Wizz_kidd | wheres the .bash_profile |
| 23:50.10 | Sho_ | Wizz_kidd: in your home directory |
| 23:50.29 | DietrichR_ | Maybe he doesn't use Bash... |
| 23:50.58 | Wizz_kidd | i dunno |
| 23:51.04 | Wizz_kidd | i need 2 add to lines of code 2 it |
| 23:51.27 | benkong2 | Sho_: BRB i'm in ubuntu right now let me get into kubuntu cuz I have no go in the menu. running kde 3.5 |
| 23:51.32 | DietrichR_ | So do it |
| 23:51.46 | Sho_ | benkong2: Kubuntu chose to fuck up the Konqueror menus |
| 23:51.48 | DietrichR_ | nano -w /home/<user>/.bash_profile |
| 23:51.57 | DietrichR_ | Yeah kubuntu made them hideous |
| 23:52.05 | benkong2 | aha is there an rc file somewhere |
| 23:52.12 | Sho_ | They also removed the "Window" menu IIRC |
| 23:52.26 | Sho_ | benkong2: Well, it's $HOME/.kde/Autostart on the disk |
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| 23:52.42 | benkong2 | Sho_: great i'll check |
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| 23:54.09 | Wizz_kidd | anyone ? |
| 23:54.29 | pinotree | Wizz_kidd: ~/.bash_profile |
| 23:54.34 | pinotree | ~ == your home |
| 23:54.37 | Sho_ | Wizz_kidd: Open .bash_profile in your home directory with a text editor of your choice |
| 23:54.58 | benkong2 | hmmm, only thing in ~/.kde/Autostart/ is a .directory. should I look elsewhere? |
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| 23:55.49 | Wizz_kidd | i dont see it there |
| 23:55.56 | Sho_ | Wizz_kidd: then create it |
| 23:56.03 | Wizz_kidd | hmmmmmm |
| 23:56.12 | Sho_ | benkong2: It's supposed to be a directory and contain symlinks to the apps that are to be autostarted :) |
| 23:57.05 | benkong2 | Sho_: I saw it was a link but...it's empty |
| 23:57.20 | benkong2 | nothing inside the .directory |
| 23:57.22 | Sho_ | benkong2: Then you don't have kmix in your KDE autostart ;) |
| 23:58.24 | benkong2 | true, actually nothing is in there to anks for the konversation tips again. :-)and thautostart. oh well I am extremely happy with the kde I have |
| 23:58.34 | *** part/#kde ThinkingInBinary (n=tom@pool-68-163-237-248.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:58.41 | benkong2 | rats can't spell |
| 23:58.56 | agliodbs | how can I, as a vanilla user, re-open an old bug on bugs.kde.org? |
| 23:59.09 | agliodbs | should I just file a new bug and reference the original (marked RESOLVED)? |
| 23:59.22 | Sho_ | agliodbs: What's the bug? |
