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| 00:05.51 | halcyonCorsair | fucking awesome! mountiso, servicemenus, and `xine dvd:/path/to/iso` are your friends!! |
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| 00:08.11 | douglas | hi |
| 00:08.23 | douglas | is it possible to use kopete with http proxy ? |
| 00:09.06 | douglas | i looked at google and did not found anything about http proxy with autentication |
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| 00:32.22 | oneforall | man you don't need mountiso . mount -t loop file.iso /path |
| 00:32.54 | oneforall | mplayer file.iso :) |
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| 00:54.19 | astronut | does kate have a plugin to view java objects? |
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| 01:03.11 | Paradosso | hi everybody |
| 01:03.17 | aloof | astronut: don't know what do you mean by viewing "java objects" - kate can only deal with Java script. You need SUN's Java-SDK IDE to deal with java objects |
| 01:03.23 | Paradosso | I installed alphacube window decoration from kde-look.org |
| 01:03.29 | Paradosso | but how do I set it on? |
| 01:04.11 | aloof | http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/kdeaddons3-extra-kate-plugins |
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| 01:07.55 | astronut | aloof: i mean like the plugin "Kate C/C++ Symbol Viewer", but for java |
| 01:07.59 | astronut | kate handles java text fine |
| 01:08.12 | astronut | highlights proper syntax and such |
| 01:08.22 | aloof | http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/kdeaddons3-extra-kate-plugins |
| 01:08.39 | aloof | it's there |
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| 01:09.54 | astronut | aloof: eh? no it's not.. |
| 01:10.04 | astronut | i want one like C/C++ symbol viewer but for java |
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| 01:16.54 | aloof | astronut: like I siad - kate DOES NOT have java object tree plugin. The only thing that I know of that has integrated IDE for that is SUN's SDK IDE, it runs on Linux and it has ALL that you need to develop, test and employ with java. Check the SUN's site. KDE is C++/Perl aware, Java has its own world. Though try qt4 to see what they can handle, never know |
| 01:18.43 | astronut | *nod* |
| 01:18.53 | astronut | java's IDE is way too heavy for my tastes |
| 01:19.01 | astronut | eclipse has a package view, so do other ones |
| 01:19.02 | astronut | ah well |
| 01:19.03 | astronut | thanks |
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| 01:23.32 | sunru | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123697 |
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| 01:24.49 | dadexter | make sure it's running when you log out... the session should bring it back on |
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| 01:28.47 | Oleg_ | Help please. I wanna burn an image to a DVD+R disc, but when I try to do it, I get the message: "Found Media DVD+R(empty). Please insert an empty DVD+/-R disc into drive" |
| 01:29.27 | Oleg_ | and above it, it's written "Waiting For Disk" |
| 01:30.29 | Oleg_ | and I have an option on clicking on Load, Eject, or Force Buttons |
| 01:30.43 | Oleg_ | when I click on Load, nothing happens |
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| 01:31.42 | Oleg_ | I clicked on Force, and get: |
| 01:32.05 | Shirakawasuna | Oleg_: I assume you actually have blank dvdr in the drive? |
| 01:32.10 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 01:32.36 | Shirakawasuna | that's all I can think of :) |
| 01:32.39 | Oleg_ | maybe I should try to burn the files on the fly |
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| 01:34.12 | Oleg_ | so, the message I get after clicking on Force is "Unable to pread64(2) primary volume descriptor: Input/Output Error" |
| 01:34.51 | Oleg_ | "Fatal Error at Startup: Illegal Seek" |
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| 01:36.06 | Oleg_ | oh |
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| 01:36.26 | Oleg_ | DVD can be written if I use "On the Fly" option |
| 01:37.15 | Oleg_ | nope |
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| 01:37.23 | Oleg_ | still can't be written |
| 01:37.46 | Oleg_ | -( unable to WRITE@LBA=0h: Input/output error |
| 01:37.46 | Oleg_ | :-( write failed: Input/output error |
| 01:37.59 | Shirakawasuna | huh...I'm not sure |
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| 01:38.02 | Shirakawasuna | are you using K3B? |
| 01:38.39 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 01:38.42 | aloof | Oleg_: do you have the latest DVD+R utlis. With my latest distro Linux could only do DVD-R. So ISO on CD or DVD-R only |
| 01:38.47 | sunru | ok poppler it might be. |
| 01:38.55 | Oleg_ | what?! |
| 01:39.01 | Oleg_ | oh |
| 01:39.01 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 01:39.11 | Oleg_ | I thought you'd written something else |
| 01:39.28 | Oleg_ | I need the latest DVD+R utils? |
| 01:39.54 | Oleg_ | how do I get them with gentoo? |
| 01:40.01 | aloof | Oleg_: I need it to write to DVD+R media |
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| 01:41.35 | aloof | Oleg_: sorry, I'm on Mandriva :( but I had the same issue with kb3 before I got the dvdr+ utils.. |
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| 01:48.04 | Shirakawasuna | Oleg_: gentoo-portage.com is your friend |
| 01:48.18 | Shirakawasuna | Oleg_: upgrading k3b would probably get you a newer dvdrtools as well |
| 01:48.41 | Shirakawasuna | aloof: come to the dark side. You know you like compiling :) |
| 01:48.44 | Oleg_ | I upgraded to the newest k3b yesterday |
| 01:48.54 | aloof | Oleg_: and even with dvdr+, I had to add some tarball, that I can't think of now, to do DVD/RW+, so that's my story. Now it all works, but I don't want to go through this patch-up job again :) Tho, they say that in next Mandriva distro all the DVD RW+/- support will be in |
| 01:49.58 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 01:52.13 | aloof | k3b has nothing to do with what the Linux can support as far as DVD hardware and media. kb3 is just a pretty KDE face to read tons of Linux bina, liba, and scripts to control your cd or dvd :) |
| 01:53.08 | aloof | *bins and libs .. sorry |
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| 02:00.03 | aloof | same thing is done on Windows$, tho the end user there can't see what's going on. There, you just crash with Nero and try again or wait for a fix, or better yet, get free GPL DVD utils that work better even under M$ 0S :) |
| 02:01.17 | Oleg_ | the last time I tried to burn a DVD+R disc, I had to reboot into Windows and use Nero |
| 02:01.33 | Oleg_ | but I don't wanna re-boot just to burn dvd+r discs |
| 02:01.46 | Oleg_ | even though I have a lot of empty dvd-r discs too |
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| 02:05.25 | Oleg_ | I have dvd+rw-tools installed |
| 02:07.07 | aloof | Here is the deal, want to burn 4sure on any OS, get the cheapest known brand CD/DVD ROM. My choice is NEC, Sony or Toshiba. I had BenQ that I threw out the window, cos it never worked and it was to expensive to begin with when I got it almost 2 yrs ago for 89 bucks. Now I paid 49 for NEC-CD/DVD/RW+/- DL and all works :) |
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| 02:07.57 | xpato | hi |
| 02:08.04 | Oleg_ | my drive was cheap too |
| 02:08.06 | Oleg_ | Lite-On |
| 02:08.11 | xpato | any kde diagram tool like gnome dia? |
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| 02:09.46 | xpato | kivio i think |
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| 02:10.18 | qupada | aloof: i have an nec, they are some of the best burners you can buy, and stupidly cheap to go with |
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| 02:13.28 | aloof | qupada: heh, you're right, NEC is to cheap not to buy it ! :) I got 3 of them, cos they're so cheap ! |
| 02:13.49 | thechris | anyone know how to get the cdrom to automount |
| 02:14.00 | thechris | it was working out of box, then stopped today for no reason |
| 02:14.18 | thechris | at first i thought kde did it, but it seems not. |
| 02:15.08 | sunru | Control Panel/Periherals/Storage Media |
| 02:15.49 | thechris | option doesn't exist |
| 02:16.18 | thechris | what version of kde are you using? i have 3.4 |
| 02:16.19 | sunru | do you have hal and dbus? |
| 02:16.28 | thechris | no clue |
| 02:16.33 | thechris | well, i have both |
| 02:16.34 | sunru | ahh 3.5 only |
| 02:16.43 | thechris | but it was working yesterday |
| 02:17.02 | thechris | and just now it no longer automounts my drives. makes me pretty mad |
| 02:18.00 | aloof | they want more for 3 DL/DVD discs then for the ROM driver itself :) They give you the drive almost for free thinking that they'll screw you wallet when you'll need those DL disks .. biz is biz :) |
| 02:18.37 | thechris | it picks up my USB drive just fine, but i can't do anything with my cd anymore |
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| 02:26.38 | wampus | Can anyone tell me if Kivio can open AutoCAD files and export them as PDF/JPEG or anything else? |
| 02:27.10 | aloof | wam |
| 02:27.15 | aloof | heh |
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| 02:30.20 | sunru | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123697 |
| 02:30.32 | main | hi |
| 02:30.37 | main | i got a little issue here |
| 02:30.49 | main | kaffeine would not play .asf files, but plays wmvs ok |
| 02:30.55 | main | is it a problem with xine? how do i test? |
| 02:31.06 | aloof | wampus: just now I trying to install koffice2-1.5.0 beta2 and kivio with it. When I get done I may have some tips? |
| 02:38.51 | Oleg_ | also, it annoys me that I gotta choose the burning speed manually with k3b |
| 02:39.18 | Oleg_ | when I use auto speed, it burns dvd-r discs with 1x speed |
| 02:40.24 | wampus | aloof: i'll help as much as i can. I'm usin 1.4. Had a very hard time resolving depends. |
| 02:40.59 | main | btw |
| 02:41.05 | main | are service menus in konqueror editable? |
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| 02:48.51 | aloof | wampus: I just installed kivio015. beta2 and I don't see any import facilities but kivio and xml type files. Though I I could not get the whole koffice2-1.5.0 beta2 due to one missing libkoffice2-1.5.0 beta2. There may or not be a plugin(s) to import various formats into kivio or others that deal with graphic files. |
| 02:50.10 | aloof | * kivio-1.5.0 beta2 - sorry |
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| 02:53.57 | wampus | aloof: Thanks. I had to build mine without krita because i couldnt get the imagemagick plugin installed correctly. You know anything about that? |
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| 03:03.03 | illogic-al | wampus: you need version 6.x of imagemagick or higher. |
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| 03:05.56 | Oleg_ | oh, please tell me what prevents k3b from burning dvd+r discs! |
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| 03:08.42 | main | man |
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| 03:08.52 | main | eversince i upgraded to 3.5 |
| 03:09.00 | main | my konqi crashes every 5 mins |
| 03:09.03 | main | for no apparent reason |
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| 03:09.53 | mobtek | Oleg_: nothing, they burn fine here |
| 03:10.17 | Oleg_ | hehe |
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| 03:10.30 | Sma1 | I want to bind a key to eject my cd. Is there somewhere where I can do this. |
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| 03:12.57 | aloof | looking at OOo2, it can only import *.tiff not sure if AutoCAD exports to *.tiff? Krita can import most out of the box, but no, ids, igs, idx <- are those autoCAD formats? :) I know bit about CAD from CATIA but not really sure about autoCAD |
| 03:13.05 | Parkotron | Sma1: kcontrol > Regional & Accessibility > Input Actions |
| 03:13.58 | Parkotron | Sma1: Bind a key to the command "eject /dev/???", where ??? is the proper label. |
| 03:15.07 | aloof | damn Krita! am I seeing Photoshop+ on Linux :) |
| 03:15.46 | aloof | Krita=gimp+photoshop :) |
| 03:16.26 | Sma1 | thnks |
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| 03:17.56 | Parkotron | Sma1: No problem. |
| 03:18.28 | Sma1 | Actually I have a powerbook, and it doesn't recon. my eject key |
| 03:18.54 | Sma1 | When I try to bind the key, it acts as if I havn't pressed a key |
| 03:18.57 | aloof | amazing.. all those tools on KDE fro KDE :) |
| 03:19.04 | aloof | *for |
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| 03:21.03 | aloof | I think I'll forget about OOo2 on Linux now, though I'll keep OOo2 on Window$ :) |
| 03:21.16 | Sma1 | why?> |
| 03:21.34 | Parkotron | Sma1: Oh. As far as I know Input Actions (aka KHotkeys) only recognises keyboard keys. But then again I'm not sure of how things are set up on Macs. |
| 03:23.47 | Sma1 | Okay, so here is a bug. When I am ripping cd's with KAudioCreator. After it has ripped the cd, and is encoding the remaining files I should be able to eject the cd. I forced eject as root and now KAudioCreator has crashed |
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| 03:25.47 | positivo | oi |
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| 03:27.39 | Sma1 | Scratch that... When I tried to put the cd back in... the whole system crashed |
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| 03:31.25 | aloof | wampus: this mybe of interest to you -> "dxf2fig" parses Autocad DXF input, then calls external routines to do either plotting or a fig conversion for xfig. The conversion is fairly complete. Layers (depths in xfig), blocks (compounds in xfig), colors, and linetypes are roughly preserved in the output file. |
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| 03:32.01 | aloof | oh, he's gone :( |
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| 03:43.04 | illogic-al | ooooh you touch my tralalaa |
| 03:43.10 | illogic-al | oooh my ding ding dong |
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| 03:50.12 | illogic-al | mobtek: hmmm? |
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| 03:50.49 | mobtek | great song mate :P |
| 03:52.18 | Sma1 | Why does kdevelop required kde-base/kdelibs-3.4.3 when I am running kde 3.5.1 |
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| 03:58.21 | HuntsMan | Sma1: because you have unmasked packages in your Gentoo install :) |
| 03:58.58 | qupada | Sma1: you need to unmask a newer kdevelop |
| 04:03.18 | illogic-al | mobtek: i heard that song for the time tonight |
| 04:03.44 | illogic-al | Sma1: because your packager sucks ? |
| 04:03.56 | mobtek | hehe I was walking around singing "My Boyfriends Back" and my wife was like "ramma-damma-ding-dong?" |
| 04:04.09 | illogic-al | lmao |
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| 04:26.38 | GTswagger | is there any way to get XGL to allow me to rotate the cube manually WITHOUT running nautilus? |
| 04:27.42 | Sma1 | WHAT |
| 04:28.37 | main | -)) |
| 04:29.24 | Sma1 | my cube is rotation |
| 04:29.29 | Sma1 | rotating |
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| 04:32.00 | GTswagger | Smal -- did it do that by default? |
| 04:32.21 | Sma1 | what the fuck are you talking about |
| 04:32.38 | GTswagger | http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/ |
| 04:33.36 | Sma1 | I would like to play with that, but I'm on ppc |
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| 04:39.30 | Sma1 | without mounting my remote samba share how do I tell amarok where it is |
| 04:43.08 | Sma1 | In other words I want to use my remote shares in the build collection process |
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| 05:13.45 | nixbox | hi all |
| 05:14.20 | nixbox | Is there a network monitor applet for KDE? |
| 05:14.57 | Sma1 | like what |
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| 05:15.43 | nixbox | Sma1, like there is one for gnome similar to the one in windows showing network activity |
| 05:16.42 | DietrichR | I love the irony in the fact that the main new feature of Gnome 2.14 is a prog to let you selectively disable programs |
| 05:16.55 | DietrichR | As if Gnome needs any more feature-stripping |
| 05:17.13 | thechris | it does. |
| 05:17.23 | Sma1 | nixbox: superkaramba |
| 05:17.25 | thechris | i often want to left click, but press the wrong button |
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| 05:41.09 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
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| 06:47.25 | Oleg_ | it annoys me a lot that I gotta manually choose burning speed in k3b |
| 06:47.48 | Oleg_ | and that it can't burn dvd+r(w) media |
| 06:48.00 | Oleg_ | and I dunno how to fix both things! |
| 06:49.09 | Oleg_ | poor me |
| 06:49.45 | main | vot ze delatj tebe nehuj |
| 06:50.21 | Oleg_ | oh please, don't curse |
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| 06:50.26 | Oleg_ | not Russian curses |
| 06:51.41 | main | it can be the media too. |
| 06:51.52 | main | not all burners are compatible with all media |
| 06:52.26 | Oleg_ | it's compatible because I could burn the same discs in Windows with Nero |
| 06:52.50 | main | what does it say, anyway |
| 06:53.57 | Oleg_ | "Found DVD+R empty disc", but when I try to burn it, I get "Input/Output Error" |
| 06:55.16 | main | does it give an option to show the debug info |
| 06:55.49 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 06:56.17 | oneforall | hmm I still prefer dvd-r |
| 06:56.17 | main | does it give any obvious clues :) ? |
| 06:56.30 | main | dvd+r are cheaper, it seems |
| 06:56.32 | Oleg_ | hold on a sec |
| 06:56.48 | oneforall | right now k3b from .12. .14 has a problem with eject for dvd copy |
| 06:57.00 | oneforall | na same price here |
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| 06:57.13 | oneforall | but they still stink for dvd movies |
| 06:57.36 | main | that depends |
| 06:58.07 | main | oneforall: ricoh 8x dvd+r is 15 CAD for 50pcs:) |
| 06:58.10 | oneforall | have a lite-on 1633DL |
| 06:58.30 | oneforall | not here :0 |
| 06:58.42 | oneforall | this is a so called city and its a hole |
| 06:58.57 | main | www.blankmedia.ca |
| 06:59.14 | oneforall | man I don't know one bank that says CAD cdn :) |
| 06:59.18 | main | delivery is extra 10$, i think |
| 06:59.42 | main | CAD is the code for canadian currency, not cdn ;) |
| 07:00.14 | oneforall | yeah some place that make the php cms but the banks of canada use cdn |
| 07:00.24 | oneforall | check them out and see |
| 07:00.39 | oneforall | I have allways usd cdn |
| 07:01.28 | main | the ISO code is CAD |
| 07:01.42 | main | dunno about banks, afaik they use CAD :) |
| 07:02.07 | oneforall | but the lite-on I have is a damn good burner but the +r they stink so far so I'll saty with dvd-r unless i can get some sample of each brand to test |
| 07:02.25 | main | get known brands |
| 07:02.29 | oneforall | no they don't |
| 07:02.33 | main | like ricoh:) |
| 07:03.34 | oneforall | ah when it comes to dvd disks I'm not in the mode to order and wait for them |
| 07:04.11 | main | order like 200 ahead of time:) |
| 07:04.16 | main | thats what i did |
| 07:04.24 | Oleg_ | ok, lemme paste the debug info in the pastebin |
| 07:04.33 | main | hehe |
| 07:05.10 | oneforall | I've tried fujifilm dynex(these the dvd-r work great not a coaster) dvd-r any braned excludeing memorex I hate them and sony . |
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| 07:05.27 | oneforall | comstar tried them and they were crappy too even with data |
| 07:05.57 | main | check the media id |
| 07:06.10 | oneforall | dynex makes dvd etc for most major firms too |
| 07:06.17 | main | the brand name itself is nothing, u need to confirm ids |
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| 07:06.52 | main | how does dynex show up? |
| 07:07.11 | oneforall | yeah they can be made for sony but not sony themself but memorex makes their own I hate memorex . they still make crap from cassettes ,vhs to cd-r etc |
| 07:07.14 | Oleg_ | here it is: |
| 07:07.18 | Oleg_ | http://pastebin.com/604942 |
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| 07:08.03 | oneforall | damn I forget now and I don't have any left and they were ot\ut of them so I got philips oh wait you meant dynex dvd+r |
| 07:08.07 | main | sony is good |
| 07:08.13 | main | if its really sony |
| 07:08.17 | oneforall | I have dome of them left I'll stick one in and see |
| 07:08.22 | main | tdk, taiyo yuden |
| 07:08.38 | oneforall | I hate sony and every thign they make for stereos on |
| 07:08.40 | main | maxell, mitsubishi |
| 07:08.47 | main | ricoh and ridata are good |
| 07:08.57 | main | verbatim too |
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| 07:09.19 | oneforall | verbatim yeah I love the dvdrws :) |
| 07:09.34 | oneforall | 25 times at least recording |
| 07:09.47 | main | Oleg_: that log doesnt tell me much, sorry:) |
| 07:10.05 | Oleg_ | :( |
| 07:10.08 | main | what city r u from, oneforall |
| 07:10.11 | oneforall | costs $3 more but well worth it. but the dvd-r and + in theirs here is way more |
| 07:10.24 | oneforall | medice hat |
| 07:10.50 | main | ab ? |
| 07:11.01 | oneforall | yup |
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| 07:11.10 | main | hehe |
| 07:11.42 | oneforall | um how can I just read a dvd disk ? I did it only with cd-r . |
| 07:12.29 | main | jeez |
| 07:12.34 | main | thats indeed middle of nowhere |
| 07:12.41 | oneforall | I would start to order mor disks but only when I know its ones that work well rather than getting stuk wioth them |
| 07:13.03 | oneforall | usually I say the town of medicine hat whoop city |
| 07:13.05 | oneforall | :) |
| 07:13.35 | main | order same ones u use |
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| 07:14.49 | oneforall | I'd liek to find a dl that works they are all +r or this one only does +r cause here for pack of 25 they are $50 and I know you can get them cheaper than that |
| 07:14.59 | muntyan | hey. does someone know how to make crash handler not block logout? |
| 07:15.04 | oneforall | but again I'd like top by like one to try them first |
| 07:15.10 | oneforall | top/to |
| 07:15.30 | main | thats not possible, hehe |
| 07:15.36 | muntyan | i almost have some application crashing on logout, so i always have to wait for crash handler and click close in it |
| 07:15.50 | muntyan | main: crash handler thing? |
| 07:15.58 | main | the ones that come in jewel cases, are often not the same as in batches |
| 07:16.05 | oneforall | 3 packs cheapest is $14.99 |
| 07:16.18 | oneforall | and that dynex |
| 07:16.24 | main | muntyan: no idea |
| 07:16.29 | oneforall | not worth $5 a disk :) |
| 07:16.36 | muntyan | main: yeah, got that :) |
| 07:17.00 | main | anyway. |
| 07:17.03 | main | good night |
| 07:17.11 | oneforall | I geuss I should drop k3b a not that copy its not ejecting |
| 07:17.28 | oneforall | kinda suxs when it gets the iso ready then deletes it :( |
| 07:17.44 | oneforall | makemiso then bring it back in or dvdbackup |
| 07:19.13 | oneforall | wehn I open k3b and right click on the dvd drive in the left tree it ejects . when I do it from iso it works . if do New video and drag drop VIDEO_TS it ejects just not copy |
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| 07:21.21 | oneforall | accualy those dynx dvd+r they will finish a burn of a movie but there is allways errors . the playback ahs them color blocks or sometimes they wont read . data if I do verify they fail way to much |
| 07:21.32 | oneforall | like maybe 1 good for every 5 |
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| 07:30.31 | oneforall | http://pastebin.com/604963 info for the dynex +r |
| 07:30.40 | oneforall | used dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd |
| 07:31.06 | oneforall | never thought of that because i think of formatting a dvdrw but its reall rw +r -r I guess:0 |
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| 07:37.50 | oneforall | Mounted Media: 11h, DVD-R Sequential Media ID: CMC MAG. AM3 thats the philips dvd-r |
| 07:37.53 | oneforall | 16x |
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| 07:48.37 | chakie_work | morning folks |
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| 07:57.47 | grandma | anyone know how i can map an unknown key on my keyboard to something like CTRL? |
| 07:58.32 | PhilRod | is the key known by xev? |
| 07:58.57 | PhilRod | there's a mini-howto in, I think, the user guide, section "something-or-other multimedia keys": |
| 07:58.58 | PhilRod | ~ug |
| 07:59.08 | apt | i heard ug is http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/ |
| 07:59.09 | grandma | it's some multimedia keyboard, i think it opens the 'start' menu in windows |
| 08:00.19 | grandma | but i'd also like to be able to enable the other multimedia keys if i could, i've never messed with it before |
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| 08:01.23 | PhilRod | take a look in that section of the user guide. It should help. If you have any other questions, just ask |
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| 08:02.19 | Smak | the battery monitor for my laptop is calculating seconds for minutes.. telling me I have 151 hours left. Is there anyway I can change this? |
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| 08:19.18 | grandma | if i do: xmodmap -e "keycode 198 = Control_L", should pressing that corresponding key be the same as pressing control? |
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| 08:24.15 | shinji` | hi |
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| 08:32.09 | fek | moin |
| 08:40.15 | Aji-Dahaka | grandma: it /should/ |
| 08:40.31 | Aji-Dahaka | grandma: but I had an exception with Super_R on my laptop in such a situation ... |
| 08:40.36 | grandma | hmm, do i have to log out and back in for it to take effect? |
| 08:41.06 | Aji-Dahaka | shouldn't |
| 08:41.09 | grandma | i used xev to find out the keycode, and used xmodmap but it didn't seem to have the effect i wanted |
| 08:41.13 | Aji-Dahaka | xev will tell you what it shows as |
| 08:41.26 | Aji-Dahaka | including the key it's mapped as |
| 08:41.43 | grandma | it does, but pressing <button>+C isn't the same as ctrl+c |
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| 08:42.15 | Aji-Dahaka | hmm, strange |
| 08:42.27 | PhilRod | modifiers with xmodmap are a little tricky. You might want to read about those |
| 08:42.37 | Aji-Dahaka | PhilRod: good reference? |
| 08:42.41 | PhilRod | man xmodmpa |
| 08:42.44 | PhilRod | xmodmap |
| 08:42.54 | PhilRod | that's the best I know of offhand |
| 08:42.59 | grandma | hmm |
| 08:43.06 | Aji-Dahaka | hehe :) |
| 08:43.34 | Aji-Dahaka | the _only_ thing my key misbehaves for me in is KDE in kubuntu |
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| 08:45.23 | grandma | got it |
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| 08:45.46 | grandma | after i added it with xmodmap i had to do 'add control = Control_L" |
| 08:45.59 | grandma | now does this load every time i login? |
| 08:46.24 | Aji-Dahaka | nope |
| 08:46.42 | Aji-Dahaka | I make a .xmodmap file an in my xinitrc do a xmodmap .xmodmap or some such |
| 08:46.46 | PhilRod | you can put it in ~/.kde/env/foo.sh |
| 08:47.04 | PhilRod | TMTOWTDI, as the perl folks say |
| 08:47.11 | grandma | what? |
| 08:47.43 | grandma | what is tmtowtdi? |
| 08:47.55 | Aji-Dahaka | there's multiple tactics or ways to do it ;) |
| 08:48.00 | Aji-Dahaka | (that's a joke ... ) |
| 08:48.09 | PhilRod | lol |
| 08:48.10 | PhilRod | subtle |
| 08:48.14 | Aji-Dahaka | "there's more than one way to do it" |
| 08:48.24 | grandma | ah...is it .xinitrc or xinitrc? |
| 08:48.32 | PhilRod | with the dot |
| 08:49.02 | Aji-Dahaka | whichever one runs when you start X |
| 08:49.58 | grandma | i didn't remember |
| 08:51.33 | grandma | sweet, thanks |
| 08:51.47 | grandma | i think i get the idea enough to map these other multimedia keys |
| 08:51.57 | grandma | stupid keyboard has a 'windows' key where control normally is |
| 08:54.17 | PhilRod | map that to control :-) |
| 08:54.42 | PhilRod | or map caps lock to ctrl. I really need to start using my remapped caps lock |
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| 09:07.29 | visik7 | and even if I allow all user to share folder it says the same "You need to be authorized to share" |
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| 09:47.54 | df00z | Is there any way to speed up font rendering, like antialaising and subpixel hinting? |
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| 09:48.39 | Aji-Dahaka | df00z: dumping fonts seems to speed up font loading in general |
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| 09:49.50 | df00z | dumping fonts? |
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| 09:50.02 | benJIman | turn off antialiasing, looks better and far faster |
| 09:50.30 | df00z | No good on an LCD |
| 09:50.31 | Tm_T | benJIman: doesn't look better always |
| 09:50.37 | df00z | LCDs are too sharp with DVI |
| 09:50.44 | df00z | w/o subpixel hinting it looks terrible |
| 09:50.48 | benJIman | df00z: not if the fonts are rendered properly |
| 09:51.01 | df00z | benJIman: it has nothing to do with fonts being rendered properly |
| 09:51.05 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/desktopmarch.png <- no antialiasing there |
| 09:51.20 | df00z | Looks terrible. |
| 09:51.30 | df00z | Trust me, it's my monitor |
| 09:51.36 | df00z | my CRT looked MUCH better with it off |
| 09:51.36 | Tm_T | benJIman: oh my, looks bad in crt =) |
| 09:51.44 | benJIman | tfts always look sucky with fonts |
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| 09:51.59 | df00z | Yeah, you need to enable subpixel hinting >:| lol |
| 09:51.59 | benJIman | they're too low resolution, too spaced pixels |
| 09:52.03 | df00z | what |
| 09:52.04 | Aji-Dahaka | doesn't look that great... |
| 09:52.13 | Tm_T | atleast with my crt most of the time fonts look much better with antialiasing |
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| 09:52.25 | df00z | Anything sharp looks better with antialiasing |
| 09:52.37 | Tm_T | yup, including small text |
| 09:52.40 | benJIman | antialiasing blurs the fonts, makes more difficult to read |
| 09:52.40 | df00z | My old CRT wasnt that sharp, it looked terrrible with it on |
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| 09:52.45 | df00z | benJiman: yeah |
| 09:52.47 | Tm_T | benJIman: not here |
| 09:52.48 | PhilRod | df00z: why do you ask about speeding up antialiasing? I mean, how do you know it's slow? |
| 09:53.03 | Aji-Dahaka | it certainly shouldn't be slow |
| 09:53.05 | benJIman | PhilRod: antialiasing is very slow, particularly with nvidia drivers |
| 09:53.05 | df00z | PhilRod: I can see it, konsole lags, konqueror lags |
| 09:53.11 | Tm_T | benJIman: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png |
| 09:53.13 | Aji-Dahaka | though fontconfig is super-slow |
| 09:53.25 | Tm_T | benJIman: say about that |
| 09:53.37 | df00z | PhilRod: and X uses 99% CPU scrolling up a web window or konsole |
| 09:53.40 | benJIman | Tm_T: bit blurry |
| 09:54.04 | Tm_T | benJIman: yup, it is, but definately looks better than your example |
| 09:54.04 | df00z | I have nvidia's renderaccell function disabled, enabling it doesn't help much and it's kind of buggy |
| 09:54.21 | df00z | I never posted a screenshot o.0 |
| 09:54.23 | benJIman | Tm_T: not here, yours are difficult to read, blurry |
| 09:54.27 | df00z | hey guys |
| 09:54.28 | Tm_T | benJIman: not me |
| 09:54.34 | df00z | it depends on the hardware |
| 09:54.37 | GraveDigger | df00z: well, that is an issue with the nvidia drivers cauz exactly that mission option causes the high cpu load |
| 09:54.46 | GraveDigger | *missing |
| 09:54.51 | df00z | fonts will look different on different hardware |
| 09:54.59 | df00z | VASTLY different |
| 09:55.02 | df00z | I had a CRT a week ago |
| 09:55.03 | GraveDigger | true |
| 09:55.15 | df00z | I swore against leaving AA and Subpixel hinting off |
| 09:55.18 | df00z | it looked terrible, blurry |
| 09:55.22 | benJIman | fonts look suck on a tft |
| 09:55.25 | Aji-Dahaka | I didn't know of any problems with nvidia + antialiasing. do you have a link, benJIman? |
| 09:55.31 | GraveDigger | benJIman: FULL ACK |
| 09:55.32 | GraveDigger | !!!!! |
| 09:55.35 | df00z | on an LCD, running a high resolution, and DVI, It's hard to read with it off |
| 09:55.37 | benJIman | Aji-Dahaka: it's really slow since 6629 |
| 09:55.43 | df00z | As LCDs are _GENERALLY_ sharper than CRTs |
| 09:55.56 | df00z | Ah |
| 09:55.58 | df00z | so it is renderaccell? |
| 09:55.59 | df00z | h |
| 09:55.59 | df00z | m |
| 09:56.04 | benJIman | Aji-Dahaka: as in move windows around in front of lots of text say on a web page and watch konqueror redraw, even with renderaccel the windows will leave trails |
| 09:56.11 | df00z | Yeah |
| 09:56.12 | GraveDigger | df00z: of course it is |
| 09:56.13 | benJIman | without antialiasing you never see anything redraw |
| 09:56.23 | Aji-Dahaka | huh, wonder why it's so slow |
| 09:56.33 | Aji-Dahaka | I don't have an nvidia around to try with :( |
| 09:56.37 | df00z | Ok..so..wait for nvidia to implement better render hooks? :P |
| 09:56.41 | benJIman | they had them |
| 09:56.46 | benJIman | they just don't work properly since 6629 |
| 09:56.55 | GraveDigger | benJIman: xgl even does it WITH anti aliasing!!! :D |
| 09:56.57 | df00z | benJiman: slow? or broken? |
| 09:56.59 | benJIman | it's fine with Xgl |
| 09:57.03 | GraveDigger | ^^ |
| 09:57.05 | GraveDigger | :D :D :D :D |
| 09:57.08 | qupada | df00z: what do you mean lcds are "generally" sharper? a crt's pixels aren't even square, and a vertical line isn't guaranteed to map to a vertical line of phosphors and hence may not even be perfectly straight |
| 09:57.35 | df00z | qupada: yeah, that, and a LCD has physical PIXELS |
| 09:57.37 | df00z | crts dont |
| 09:57.38 | benJIman | CRT pixels are often diamond shaped, looks a lot better for text |
| 09:57.53 | GraveDigger | ^^ |
| 09:58.04 | benJIman | CRTs can do much higher resolutions, mine does 2048x1536, text looks better |
| 09:58.08 | GraveDigger | honestly, i personally think, that text looks better on crts, too |
| 09:58.13 | Aji-Dahaka | 03:57 < df00z> qupada: yeah, that, and a LCD has physical PIXELS <-- huh? |
| 09:58.14 | qupada | benJIman: in the worst case scenario they're triangular, depends what sort of resolution you're running |
| 09:58.26 | Aji-Dahaka | on what grounds do CRTs not have pixels? |
| 09:58.29 | df00z | Um |
| 09:58.38 | benJIman | CRTs don't have individually controlled pixels |
| 09:58.43 | df00z | It's like an electron gun |
| 09:58.45 | df00z | or osmething |
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| 09:58.52 | df00z | that smashes a chemical on a screen causing it to light up |
| 09:58.53 | benJIman | well there are some new CRTs that do, with lots of tiny electron guns |
| 09:58.55 | GraveDigger | cathode ray |
| 09:59.01 | GraveDigger | thats what the name implements, too |
| 09:59.06 | df00z | they arn't actual pixels |
| 09:59.18 | GraveDigger | no, its like drawing on a sheet of paper |
| 09:59.23 | df00z | yeah |
| 09:59.29 | df00z | That's why LCDs only work well in one resolution |
| 09:59.31 | GraveDigger | and this is why it may looks far more sharper than tfts |
| 09:59.32 | qupada | a crt can use any continuous region containing at least one red, one green and one blue phosphor to be a "pixel" |
| 09:59.35 | df00z | because it physically only _HAS_ so many pixels |
| 09:59.46 | GraveDigger | cauz you are NOT limited to pixels |
| 09:59.48 | df00z | and trying to use more or less will result in the image having to be scaled |
| 09:59.51 | GraveDigger | but to scren areas |
| 10:00.09 | benJIman | tfts also look bad at non-native resolution |
| 10:00.12 | df00z | Yeah. |
| 10:00.16 | GraveDigger | oh yeah |
| 10:00.17 | GraveDigger | ! |
| 10:00.34 | df00z | yeah, but reading text on a LCD thats using DVI.. |
| 10:00.35 | GraveDigger | and CRTs do not care that much for resolution... besides the refresh rates |
| 10:00.43 | df00z | it's really, really bad without AA or subpixel hinting |
| 10:00.55 | df00z | because letters of the font are literally 1 pixel wide, it's WAY too sharp |
| 10:00.56 | qupada | personally, having owned an lcd for just over 2 years now, i would never go back. No screen flicker induced headaches, no fuzzy lines, more desk space, less power consumption. nothing not to like in that lot |
| 10:01.02 | df00z | Yeah |
| 10:01.13 | df00z | I just switched to an LCD, a few quirks... |
| 10:01.15 | benJIman | qupada: you don't have headaches or fuzzy lines if you have a decent CRT |
| 10:01.17 | df00z | it's not a 24 bit panel, lots arnt |
| 10:01.26 | benJIman | very little difference in power consumption |
| 10:01.26 | df00z | benJIman: refresh rates |
| 10:01.29 | df00z | ...no. |
| 10:01.33 | Aji-Dahaka | colours are very different on lcds |
| 10:01.38 | GraveDigger | "more desk space, less power consumption" <- these are the two *real* arguments to decide FOR a TFT, but the others are crap |
| 10:01.40 | df00z | LCDs use 33-66% less electricity than CRTs |
| 10:01.43 | benJIman | df00z: 100hz+ refresh rate is virtually impossible to see |
| 10:01.47 | PhilRod | qupada: the lower resolution is annoying when you've gotten used to 1600x1200 CRTs, but other than that you're right :-) |
| 10:02.00 | df00z | benJIman: it still gives me a headache, I need it to be over 120 |
| 10:02.05 | benJIman | df00z: TFTs only do 60hz or so |
| 10:02.05 | df00z | and my old CRT didn't do much over 85 |
| 10:02.07 | mobtek | get a lcd with 1600x1200 |
| 10:02.07 | qupada | benJIman: considering i can see flicker all the way up to 85Hz, need a VERY good crt |
| 10:02.14 | df00z | benJIman: different concept |
| 10:02.14 | Aji-Dahaka | hz are irrelevant on tfts |
| 10:02.17 | benJIman | df00z: and means you get low framerate issues with games etc |
| 10:02.19 | df00z | benJIman: they dont turn on and off |
| 10:02.23 | benJIman | df00z: but fast motion etc look bad |
| 10:02.25 | df00z | benJIman: they stay on |
| 10:02.32 | df00z | benJIman: sort of, yeah |
| 10:02.35 | benJIman | df00z: no, but still framerate is limited |
| 10:02.40 | df00z | benJIman: LCDs have a response rate, 20ms for example |
| 10:02.45 | mobtek | blah not with anything under 5ms you don't |
| 10:02.47 | df00z | 1000/20ms=max framerate w/o bluring |
| 10:02.53 | benJIman | df00z: it still takes same time for the entire screen to refresh |
| 10:02.57 | df00z | but most also lock at 60hz |
| 10:03.02 | df00z | yeah, it manifests itself as bluring |
| 10:03.04 | df00z | rather than a flicker |
| 10:03.16 | qupada | PhilRod: you make a good point, but every time you take a step up the resolution ladder you can't go back |
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| 10:03.41 | df00z | Heheh. |
| 10:03.42 | qupada | so given that 1280x1024 is the largest resolution i've used for any length of time, i'm still generally happy with it |
| 10:03.43 | df00z | Oh god. |
| 10:03.45 | mobtek | df00z: get a samsung 204TS |
| 10:03.47 | mobtek | nice lcd |
| 10:03.50 | df00z | I don't have that much $ |
| 10:03.51 | mobtek | I'm getting one |
| 10:03.55 | df00z | I spent 250 on this one |
| 10:03.57 | df00z | VA912b |
| 10:03.57 | GraveDigger | benJIman: *respect* that's awesome! |
| 10:04.01 | benJIman | qupada: that's a silly res, it's not 4:3 |
| 10:04.05 | df00z | also, watch out for 6x6x6 panels |
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| 10:04.09 | Aji-Dahaka | 3x1600x1200 is a pretty reasonable resolution and still pretty cheap |
| 10:04.10 | df00z | Mine is, it's sad :( |
| 10:04.12 | mobtek | hehe I'll spend up to $800 for a good display |
| 10:04.16 | df00z | Ah |
| 10:04.27 | df00z | Lots of panels can't do 16.7m colors |
| 10:04.36 | df00z | they do something like ~260000 |
| 10:04.37 | qupada | benJIman: meh. 5:4 = 20:16, 4:3 = 20:15 ... the difference doesn't seem so big when you put it that way |
| 10:04.39 | df00z | and dither to make up for the rest |
| 10:04.45 | benJIman | GraveDigger: there's very little difference in power consumption for large tfts vs large crts really |
| 10:04.55 | benJIman | there's a big difference with small TFTs vs small CRTs |
| 10:04.58 | mobtek | sorrt df00z 204B LCD kekeke |
| 10:05.02 | benJIman | but at 20" and above there's little difference |
| 10:05.03 | GraveDigger | benJIman: oO |
| 10:05.07 | df00z | heheh |
| 10:05.14 | df00z | benJIman: i dont know about that |
| 10:05.18 | GraveDigger | benJIman: erm, honestly? |
| 10:05.25 | df00z | benJIman: do you have anything to back that up? this 19in LCD i think drawa 40-60w |
| 10:05.33 | benJIman | 2001fp has virtually same power consumption stats as my monitor |
| 10:05.33 | df00z | typical CRTs draw 100-120 for a 17in |
| 10:05.40 | qupada | my 17" lcd draws 45W |
| 10:05.49 | mobtek | 33W the 21" lcd I'm getting :) |
| 10:06.00 | qupada | probably less because i have the brightness set to 37 (0-100) |
| 10:06.04 | GraveDigger | my 19" crt takes around 100W |
| 10:06.08 | benJIman | 2001fp draws 90w |
| 10:06.11 | df00z | Ah |
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| 10:06.14 | mobtek | GraveDigger: same :) |
| 10:06.21 | df00z | :\ |
| 10:06.26 | benJIman | 3007fp draws quite a lot |
| 10:06.26 | df00z | I wish i could afford those |
| 10:06.30 | df00z | the dell LCDs are VERY nice |
| 10:06.44 | benJIman | df00z: their colour reproduction and brightness are awful |
| 10:06.45 | GraveDigger | mobtek: but only at full brightness and max resolution (which is 1600x1200 for that device) |
| 10:06.48 | df00z | benJIman: on dells? |
| 10:06.51 | benJIman | df00z: but they're large and cheap |
| 10:06.52 | benJIman | df00z: yes |
| 10:06.57 | df00z | benJIman: dells have some of the best reproduction... |
| 10:06.59 | benJIman | and they have decent refresh rate |
| 10:07.11 | qupada | df00z: my lcd of choice if i had the cash would be a samsung 242mp. one of the crowd of 24" 1920x1200 models |
| 10:07.17 | df00z | yum. |
| 10:07.17 | GraveDigger | mobtek: normally i have 50% brightness at 1280x1024 pixels and the power required is around 90W |
| 10:07.22 | benJIman | put a 2001fp next to a nicer tft or a CRT and you'll see difference straight away |
| 10:07.33 | GraveDigger | using a samtron 96p btw |
| 10:07.37 | df00z | benJIman: nicer TFT? |
| 10:07.41 | df00z | benJIman: Like what? :P |
| 10:07.54 | qupada | dell ~= samsung for image reprofuction, since most new dell monitors use samsung panels |
| 10:08.01 | qupada | reproduction* |
| 10:08.08 | mobtek | yeah I have 50% at 1600x1200 |
| 10:08.09 | df00z | Yeah, the dells are VERY nice..most |
| 10:08.15 | benJIman | the 2001fps just have really dull colours |
| 10:08.19 | df00z | Unlike this one, its a 6bit panel |
| 10:08.30 | GraveDigger | samsung displays generally rock IMO |
| 10:08.34 | df00z | benJIman: Something is probably set wrong then if you saw a dull 2001fp |
| 10:08.39 | df00z | I use a 1703 at work |
| 10:08.51 | df00z | it's about as good as a typical CRT, slow as heck tho(25ms response) |
| 10:08.51 | benJIman | df00z: about 1/2 the people who regularly go to our lans have them |
| 10:08.59 | qupada | my samsung 172x has an 18 bit panel, noone who has seen it has been able to tell |
| 10:09.08 | df00z | benJIman: what freaking monitor do you have? |
| 10:09.13 | df00z | I had a 17in trinitron |
| 10:09.23 | mobtek | GraveDigger: yeah one of my mates got a samsung lcd, kicks arse :) |
| 10:09.34 | benJIman | I have 2 CRTs, LG slot mask one, and an iiyama diamondtron one |
| 10:09.40 | benJIman | I prefer the LG tbh |
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| 10:10.11 | benJIman | LG tfts are nice too |
| 10:11.24 | qupada | the thing i like about samsung monitors is they actually make an effort to not make them look like an ugly piece of shit, as well as being good monitors, some brands of monitors are just so ugly you wouldn't want them on your desk |
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| 10:12.26 | NewTon | hello, could somebody help me? |
| 10:12.30 | GraveDigger | qupada: yeah, true |
| 10:12.33 | df00z | heheh |
| 10:12.34 | df00z | anyway.. |
| 10:12.39 | NewTon | I got some problems with KDE |
| 10:12.41 | df00z | :( i hope renderaccell gets fixed |
| 10:12.42 | mobtek | heheh qupada |
| 10:12.42 | NewTon | :( |
| 10:12.45 | GraveDigger | qupada: and honestly: i think thos apple display look ugly |
| 10:12.48 | mobtek | df00z: and how |
| 10:12.54 | qupada | NewTon: what's the issue? |
| 10:13.02 | df00z | mobtek: Hm? |
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| 10:13.24 | qupada | GraveDigger: yeah, too right. they could be worse though, they could have made them from white perspex like the imacs instead of aluminium |
| 10:13.27 | GraveDigger | df00z: well, annoy nvidia - renderaccel works great here, even in xinerama mode |
| 10:13.29 | visik7 | I've a problem with filesharing -> when I right click on a folder -> proprieties -> share it says : You need to be authorized to share folders I click on configure file sharing and it open the file sharing panel but I need to lookup again for the folder I need to share even if in allowed users I'm listed to share folders |
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| 10:13.43 | visik7 | and even if I allow all user to share folder it says the same "You need to be authorized to share" |
| 10:13.43 | GraveDigger | qupada: yeah |
| 10:13.47 | mobtek | df00z: nvidia :P |
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| 10:14.03 | df00z | GraveDigger: do you use font AA/subpixel hinting? |
| 10:14.12 | GraveDigger | df00z: of course |
| 10:14.14 | NewTon | so when I type startx, the monitors displays a black screen and when I press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace and kill the KDE, there are some errors |
| 10:14.21 | df00z | GraveDigger: you're satisfied with the performance? |
| 10:14.24 | qupada | visik7: just go after /etc/samba/smb.conf with a text editor. so much easier |
| 10:14.25 | NewTon | the monitor* |
| 10:14.41 | NewTon | can somebody help me? |
| 10:14.44 | visik7 | qupada: I want use gui is there why not use it ? |
| 10:14.44 | df00z | GraveDigger: http://slashdot.org/ go there, in konqueror, and scroll up and down really fast |
| 10:14.52 | df00z | X jumps to like 99% CPU usage here, and it jerks |
| 10:14.54 | qupada | NewTon: if you just type 'X' to start an empty X session, what do you get? |
| 10:14.54 | df00z | windows would be fine |
| 10:14.58 | benJIman | yeah that's the antialiasing |
| 10:15.01 | benJIman | turn it off and it'll be fast |
| 10:15.07 | qupada | visik7: probably is, but i don't like the samba gui |
| 10:15.11 | df00z | benJIman: my problem is it shouldn't be slow |
| 10:15.11 | NewTon | a short time ago I got the same problem |
| 10:15.13 | GraveDigger | df00z: got a geforce6600gt ... of course am i satisfied with the performance... ok, no comparison to Xgl's performance, but its a good working |
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| 10:15.15 | df00z | benJIman: i need it for my LCD |
| 10:15.24 | benJIman | df00z: well it's the nvidia drivers |
| 10:15.25 | df00z | GraveDigger: i have a 6200 |
| 10:15.29 | GraveDigger | df00z: LOL |
| 10:15.34 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:15.34 | GraveDigger | df00z: your fault |
| 10:15.35 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:15.36 | GraveDigger | !!!!!!!!! |
| 10:15.36 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:15.38 | castrig | . |
| 10:15.39 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:15.39 | NewTon | I had to set my monitor |
| 10:15.41 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:15.45 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:15.46 | benJIman | df00z: xgl makes it fast |
| 10:15.47 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:15.48 | GraveDigger | !!!!!!!!!ADMIN PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:15.49 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:15.51 | castrig | . |
| 10:15.53 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:15.55 | dsafda | there's no admin :( |
| 10:15.56 | GraveDigger | castrig: FU RETARD |
| 10:15.57 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:15.57 | manveru | for the meanwhile /ignore :) |
| 10:15.58 | df00z | GraveDigger: The 6200 is like 1/2 as fast as the 6600GT |
| 10:15.59 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.00 | visik7 | STFU stupid lamer |
| 10:16.03 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.03 | df00z | GNAA.org get out |
| 10:16.05 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.07 | castrig | . |
| 10:16.08 | ejk | castrig: hehe. Not even annoying. :-) |
| 10:16.09 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.11 | NewTon | but do not know how to set my monnitor |
| 10:16.13 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.15 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.17 | benJIman | PhilRod: ping |
| 10:16.19 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.21 | castrig | . |
| 10:16.22 | visik7 | castrig: are u one of them ? |
| 10:16.23 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.25 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.25 | GraveDigger | PhilRod: !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:16.27 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.29 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.29 | NewTon | hellloooooooo |
| 10:16.30 | GraveDigger | PhilRod: PLEASE STOP THAT!!!!! |
| 10:16.33 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.37 | castrig | . |
| 10:16.37 | _gast | castrig sucks |
| 10:16.39 | castrig | the gay niggers will take over the world!!!! |
| 10:16.41 | *** mode/#kde [+b %castrig!*@*] by lilo |
| 10:16.43 | df00z | castrig is on ignore |
| 10:16.44 | lilo | nah :) |
| 10:16.49 | NewTon | please STOP IT!!!!!! |
| 10:16.50 | manveru | hey lilo :) |
| 10:16.50 | lilo | df00z: actually, he's on +q 8) |
| 10:16.55 | df00z | :P |
| 10:17.10 | manveru | i still think you could just have ignored him... |
| 10:17.12 | lilo | now he's on K |
| 10:17.12 | qupada | i see why someone was complaining in #gentoo-amd64 about being banned from ##php by !*!@Toronto-HSE-ppp*.sympatico.ca... it's jerks like this guy |
| 10:17.13 | visik7 | castrig: your IP is our |
| 10:17.16 | GraveDigger | lilo: thanks!!!! |
| 10:17.17 | df00z | Anyway :( *shakes fist at nvidia* |
| 10:17.20 | lilo | manveru: erm, why should anyone have to? |
| 10:17.34 | benJIman | df00z: it's fast with xgl |
| 10:17.35 | lilo | manveru: if you ignore him, you pass him on to the new users who come on channel, and he becomes their first impression ;I |
| 10:17.35 | df00z | GraveDigger: What kind of processor do yo uhave? |
| 10:17.45 | *** mode/#kde [-b %castrig!*@*] by lilo |
| 10:17.46 | manveru | lilo: because it's faster :) |
| 10:17.50 | GraveDigger | df00z: amd sempron 2400 clocked at 2GHz |
| 10:17.54 | df00z | benJIman: How is it fast with xgl? Do fonts render with GL or something? |
| 10:17.55 | lilo | manveru: but it just passes on the problem ;) |
| 10:17.58 | _gast | it's my first impression |
| 10:18.02 | df00z | GraveDigger: athlon XP 1800 o/c to 1.8 |
| 10:18.10 | df00z | GraveDigger: :\ |
| 10:18.14 | manveru | lilo: but well, japanese style: solving a problem by ignoring it ;) |
| 10:18.15 | benJIman | df00z: don't think it needs to rely on nvidia's shockingly bad 2d accelleration at all |
| 10:18.30 | _gast | But after 30 years I know this kind of behavior |
| 10:18.30 | _gast | forget it |
| 10:18.31 | df00z | hm |
| 10:18.31 | GraveDigger | df00z: well, i have used font AA on my geforce4mx420 on a 1GHz DURON and had no issues with it either |
| 10:18.39 | df00z | GraveDigger: ;\ |
| 10:18.47 | GraveDigger | df00z: so THAT is not the source of the problems |
| 10:18.48 | df00z | are you usre? go to slashdot and scroll up and down, open a top window |
| 10:18.49 | lilo | manveru: it fails the first time someone comments on it 8) |
| 10:18.50 | df00z | whats X's CPU usage? |
| 10:18.54 | df00z | are you sure it's AAed? |
| 10:19.05 | GraveDigger | df00z: its not even /. but many other sites, too |
| 10:19.08 | manveru | well... yeah |
| 10:19.10 | lilo | it's good to expect people to be mature though |
| 10:19.12 | GraveDigger | df00z: like phpfi.com (nopaster) |
| 10:19.18 | df00z | GraveDigger: slashdot is one of the few that does it |
| 10:19.19 | lilo | if you don't expect, they'll never rise to your expectations |
| 10:19.20 | df00z | cuz it has big fonts |
| 10:19.22 | df00z | google is ifne |
| 10:19.24 | qupada | i have font aliasing, xorg 7, no xgl and a geforce 5 series and it seems fine |
| 10:19.28 | GraveDigger | df00z: but yes, it scrolls smoothly and around 4% cpu load |
| 10:19.33 | df00z | What the heck then! |
| 10:19.39 | df00z | why do i have 99% CPU usage |
| 10:19.49 | GraveDigger | cauz renderaccel is missing |
| 10:19.51 | df00z | also, are you jerking the scrollbar w/ your hand? |
| 10:19.53 | df00z | or mousewheel? |
| 10:19.59 | manveru | oh oh... raining here, i should better hurry home |
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| 10:20.00 | df00z | renderaccell set to "1" doesnt do anything for me |
| 10:20.06 | df00z | does it need to be "true" ? |
| 10:21.13 | qupada | mine says "true"... not that he's still here or anything |
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| 10:22.25 | benJIman | doesn't matter I don't think |
| 10:22.43 | GraveDigger | i have "true" either, but afaik X interprets "true" , "on", "enabled", "1" and such exactly the same |
| 10:22.51 | qupada | yeah, i think 1 = true = on and 0 = false = off for most options |
| 10:22.57 | GraveDigger | ^^ |
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| 10:23.20 | df00z | Ok |
| 10:23.24 | df00z | renderaccell is set to "true" |
| 10:23.28 | benJIman | doesn't matter |
| 10:23.32 | GraveDigger | i have "true" either, but afaik X interprets "true" , "on", "enabled", "1" and such exactly the same |
| 10:23.34 | qupada | man xorg.conf says any of these will work: 1/0 on/off true/false yes/no |
| 10:23.37 | halcyonCorsair | anyone here from Iceland? |
| 10:23.50 | df00z | Well, it's still slow :| |
| 10:24.27 | benJIman | df00z: a better test is to move a window fast over the top of a say konqueror at slashdot page |
| 10:24.38 | benJIman | if you can see "trails" it's slow :) |
| 10:24.41 | df00z | yup |
| 10:24.43 | df00z | no text |
| 10:24.44 | df00z | just trails |
| 10:25.12 | df00z | Nothing can be done? |
| 10:25.18 | df00z | and why is it ok for GraveDigger? |
| 10:25.24 | qupada | so when the window moves away, it's not redrawing the stuff below fast enough? |
| 10:25.29 | benJIman | until nvidia fix their drivers or xgl/equivlant is good enough to use then not really |
| 10:25.33 | benJIman | qupada: yeah |
| 10:25.34 | visik7 | nobody can help me ? |
| 10:25.37 | GraveDigger | well, i can see trails too, but after ... i guess a quarter of a second they're gone |
| 10:25.40 | GraveDigger | that's okay for me |
| 10:25.47 | df00z | GraveDigger: move the window as fast as possible |
| 10:25.55 | df00z | the trails stay |
| 10:26.25 | benJIman | it depends how fast your cpu is too |
| 10:26.27 | df00z | also, it does take about 1/4 of a second for it to disappear for me too, but it also takes 1/4 of a second for the page to redraw if I scroll around fast |
| 10:26.31 | df00z | windows is fine |
| 10:26.37 | benJIman | as the trouble is the graphics card isn't really accelerating it |
| 10:26.40 | df00z | Yeah |
| 10:26.42 | df00z | thats what I thought. |
| 10:26.49 | benJIman | df00z: try windows without nvidia drivers and it's even worse than this |
| 10:26.53 | df00z | graveDigger made me think i had something set up wrong |
| 10:26.56 | df00z | benJIman: ahah |
| 10:26.59 | benJIman | trouble is that the nvidia drivers in linux don't really accellerate 2d well |
| 10:27.04 | df00z | yeah. |
| 10:27.07 | benJIman | even the nv driver is better I think at 2d |
| 10:27.10 | df00z | :| |
| 10:27.15 | df00z | im hoping the next version is better |
| 10:27.18 | df00z | also, :) |
| 10:27.23 | qupada | benJIman: i really don't know about xgl, apart from problems like this, which i've never experienced myself, i don't really see the need for it. i like project looking glass, since it's actually a rethink of the desktop, rather than just doing old things in new ways, but it doesn't run on amd64 so i'm pretty much screwed |
| 10:27.25 | df00z | the latest nvidia drivers do something funky w/ this DVI |
| 10:27.34 | df00z | like |
| 10:27.37 | df00z | if i enable TV out |
| 10:27.40 | df00z | and switch to a console |
| 10:27.42 | df00z | the TV goes green |
| 10:27.46 | df00z | my monitor flashes pink |
| 10:27.48 | df00z | and its locked up |
| 10:27.50 | df00z | cant ssh in |
| 10:27.54 | df00z | or anything, the system is dead |
| 10:28.01 | df00z | :) |
| 10:28.12 | benJIman | qupada: xgl xair etc just allow people to do such effects that they want, what effects are implemented is up to whoever implements them |
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| 10:29.14 | halcyonCorsair | qupada: yeah, looking glass is totally fucked up on amd64 |
| 10:29.14 | df00z | I wonder if I should try the nv driver |
| 10:29.15 | df00z | just for kicks |
| 10:29.36 | qupada | benJIman: that's fair enough, but it's not really doing anything useful yet... shadows don't really achieve anything, neither do transparent windows. and the whole putting 4 virtual desktops on the sides of a cube thing, well don't even get me started. what that achieves i just do not know |
| 10:30.17 | mobtek | shadows are great |
| 10:30.22 | qupada | halcyonCorsair: i didn't get it running on an x86 distro either, but that was probably to do with me using the official build, which is designed for something that clearly isn't gentoo, will try compiling it myself sometime |
| 10:30.24 | benJIman | qupada: shadows help see the ordering of windows much more clearly than with just borders |
| 10:30.25 | df00z | ugh. |
| 10:30.27 | roxy_ | Hi. I just started using debian with kde. I need to use (firefox|konqueror) and openoffice with english,french and japanese input. Is there an easy kde way? |
| 10:30.27 | halcyonCorsair | qupada: actually the virtual desktops on the cube thing is really cool |
| 10:30.29 | mobtek | transparency is useful in some situations |
| 10:30.41 | benJIman | qupada: transparent windows let you have say a transparent term on top and read things underneath |
| 10:30.49 | halcyonCorsair | qupada: especially when you slide the windows round the cube, its a much more tangible interface |
| 10:30.50 | mobtek | and komposé does the job for me :) |
| 10:30.52 | benJIman | transparency is useful for say things like the alt-tab effect with compiz |
| 10:30.52 | GraveDigger | but hey, most of the effects are just eye candy |
| 10:30.53 | GraveDigger | !!!!!!!! |
| 10:30.55 | qupada | i never had a problem figuring out which windows were on top of the stack beforehand |
| 10:31.08 | qupada | my attention span is short enough without trying to read one thing through another thing |
| 10:31.37 | benJIman | expose style effects are far better for window orgnaisation than alt+tab+ virtual desktops |
| 10:31.38 | df00z | :( |
| 10:31.38 | halcyonCorsair | benJIman: transparent windows are of debatable value unless you're watching movies, in which case multiple monitors or widescreen are a better solution |
| 10:31.40 | df00z | Why does X run as root anyway |
| 10:31.44 | df00z | It's so disgusting |
| 10:31.52 | GraveDigger | benJIman: if xgl supports xinerama i will need to get twinview to working, cauz spanning opengl over more than one graphics card in xinerama is not possible |
| 10:31.56 | benJIman | halcyonCorsair: however much screen real estate you have you'll run out |
| 10:32.03 | GraveDigger | *to work |
| 10:32.06 | benJIman | it doesn't support xinerama yet |
| 10:32.14 | benJIman | you can use twinview though, but kde won't know where each monitor ends |
| 10:32.14 | qupada | two monitors will beat silly eye candy effects any day... or as halcyonCorsair says, just buy a bigger one to begin with |
| 10:32.14 | halcyonCorsair | mobtek: kompose is just too slow and its much nicer to have the windows resizing and sliding |
| 10:32.37 | mobtek | hmm samsung 42inch lcd noice |
| 10:32.38 | benJIman | qupada: I have 2 high res CRTs, still run out of screen real estate |
| 10:32.52 | GraveDigger | benJIman: yeah, and since my screens have different sizes i will have to wait. but i am sure its just a matter of time until xgl supports xinerama |
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| 10:32.57 | halcyonCorsair | grandma: are you absolutely sure about that? |
| 10:33.06 | benJIman | GraveDigger: you don't have to wait, it will work with twinview allready |
| 10:33.35 | halcyonCorsair | GraveDigger: whats wrong with monitors of different sizes? |
| 10:33.57 | GraveDigger | benJIman: but without xinerama kde is not able to recognize where the screen areas end. so maximizing a window will maximize it over both heads |
| 10:34.01 | qupada | i can work faster with a taskbar and alt-tab than someone with expose-esque effects can anyway, i don't even use virtual desktops most of the time because i can accomplish what i want to do faster with one |
| 10:34.15 | GraveDigger | halcyonCorsair: well, xinerama setup is a bit trickey then |
| 10:34.36 | GraveDigger | halcyonCorsair: otherwise there are no problems.. at least no *REAL* issues |
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| 10:35.01 | benJIman | qupada: well nearly everyone can recognise an image of a window faster than a text title |
| 10:35.19 | roxy_ | is there a better channel to ask question about kde and Multilingualization ? |
| 10:35.54 | qupada | benJIman: depends what your state of mind is like. doesn't work like that for me at all |
| 10:35.57 | df00z | roxy: probably not, not everyone is awake though |
| 10:36.28 | df00z | you can try linux chatrooms, like #linux, or other channels like #gentoo #slashdot #linpeople, maybe more people are around |
| 10:36.43 | qupada | roxy_: if there is a channel called #kde-i18n (i don't know if there is, just guessing), try there |
| 10:36.43 | df00z | hey |
| 10:36.46 | halcyonCorsair | GraveDigger: with the different size monitors, or the GL spanning? coz i spent a while on all that stuff, got it working in all configurations and then i decided that i liked twinview best even when losing a little bit of desktop space that the smaller monitor couldn't display |
| 10:36.54 | df00z | What's with XAA...EXA.....renderaccell |
| 10:37.00 | df00z | Like, what on earth is the difference |
| 10:37.11 | benJIman | even 2d accelleration is faster with twinview |
| 10:37.22 | halcyonCorsair | df00z: do you have broadband? |
| 10:37.33 | df00z | Yeah I do |
| 10:37.44 | df00z | Why |
| 10:37.51 | halcyonCorsair | benJIman: wtf? |
| 10:38.09 | GraveDigger | halcyonCorsair: wel, that is exactly the decision i am about to do: using xinerama with 2 graphics cards, or with one and twinview... i guess i will also choose the latter one, becauze i want opengl on both displays for Xgl |
| 10:38.24 | GraveDigger | halcyonCorsair: otherwise i would stay at my current config |
| 10:38.53 | benJIman | halcyonCorsair: renderaccel works better with twinview |
| 10:39.05 | GraveDigger | halcyonCorsair: but as i said, spanning one opengl application over two graphics cards is not supported, so xgl will not work on more than 1 card |
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| 10:39.16 | halcyonCorsair | GraveDigger: what are the two cards? |
| 10:39.31 | GraveDigger | 01:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo Banshee (rev 03) |
| 10:39.31 | GraveDigger | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600/GeForce 6600 GT] (rev a2) |
| 10:39.34 | aloof | roxy_: what's your question about internationalization of KDE, is it about specific lang. keyborad maping or the display lang. of KDE |
| 10:39.38 | halcyonCorsair | benJIman: renderaccel is still unstable |
| 10:39.39 | GraveDigger | using Driver "nvidia" and Driver "tdfx" |
| 10:39.52 | benJIman | halcyonCorsair: depends what card you have, it's fine for me, just slow since 6629 |
| 10:39.54 | halcyonCorsair | ah....yeah, thats not gonna happen :) |
| 10:40.01 | benJIman | halcyonCorsair: i've not seen it cause problems for anyone tbh |
| 10:40.27 | GraveDigger | benJIman: "twinview does not cause problems" i mean? |
| 10:40.41 | GraveDigger | damnit |
| 10:40.46 | GraveDigger | benJIman: s/i/you |
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| 10:40.59 | halcyonCorsair | well, i haven't turned renderaccel back on since i upgraded to modular Xorg, but on monolithic it was still causing occasional crashes |
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| 10:41.18 | halcyonCorsair | GraveDigger: just go twinview dude |
| 10:41.38 | GraveDigger | halcyonCorsair: *sigh* i c... two peops brainstorming me to use twinview |
| 10:41.43 | GraveDigger | i guess i cannot resist anymore |
| 10:41.44 | GraveDigger | :( |
| 10:41.46 | benJIman | GraveDigger: I don't think renderaccel works properly/at all with xinerama |
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| 10:42.06 | df00z | hwcurser helps a bit |
| 10:42.08 | GraveDigger | benJIman: in fact renderaccel causes a strange behaviour |
| 10:42.27 | halcyonCorsair | df00z: http://dot.kde.org/1141257826/ get the linux link tech show episode here with zack rusin, it will explain all you wish to know about XAA, EXA, XGL, etc |
| 10:42.27 | GraveDigger | benJIman: the second head sometimes seems to "move out of its given area" |
| 10:42.37 | halcyonCorsair | GraveDigger: and its not even that hard to setup |
| 10:42.42 | GraveDigger | halcyonCorsair: i know |
| 10:42.54 | GraveDigger | halcyonCorsair: i sometimes use it when having a TV connected |
| 10:42.57 | df00z | halcyonCorsair: cool! what episode? |
| 10:43.38 | halcyonCorsair | df00z: its mentioned in that link, but i believe its 03-01-06, otherwise check the calendar at tlls and it will tell you |
| 10:45.10 | aloof | hey ppl if you want to "flood" off topic, try chatnet or something? some ppl have KDE related questions on here in case you did not notice the channel's name and topic! |
| 10:45.14 | qupada | halcyonCorsair: what date format? d-m-y? m-d-y? y-m-d? |
| 10:46.38 | halcyonCorsair | qupada: just go look at the calendar on the linux link tech show site, and look for the zack rusin episode in march |
| 10:46.55 | halcyonCorsair | aloof: and when they ask them, we shall answer if we can |
| 10:47.16 | qupada | halcyonCorsair: i wasn't really too concerned, that was a very ambigous date though |
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| 10:48.37 | halcyonCorsair | qupada: ya |
| 10:48.51 | aloof | halcyonCorsair: and when no1 asks, one does not reply at all if she or he does not know the topic related answer, hint or itp! |
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| 10:49.52 | halcyonCorsair | aloof: dude, i think you've lost your aloofitity, i think you need to take 5 and cool down ;P |
| 10:50.04 | qupada | aloof: if you want to be on this much of a high horse, at least use whole words. "no1" isn't a fucking word |
| 10:52.03 | aloof | ok, that did have your lame way but off of my screen! |
| 10:52.10 | qupada | if you don't want to write whole sentences, i don't care what you have to say. you've shown that your poor grammar is just laziness and not due to english being a second language, so fix it if you want people to listen to what you have to say |
| 10:52.39 | halcyonCorsair | aloof: so uh, while we're at it, whats your favourite browser? |
| 10:52.45 | halcyonCorsair | lol :) |
| 10:54.02 | aloof | all clear :) |
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| 11:21.27 | Oleg_ | thiago: please help. I can't burn a dvd+r disc with k3b. Here's the debug info: http://pastebin.com/605151 |
| 11:23.02 | mobtek | Oleg_: is it set to auto on the burn speed or do you manually set the speed? |
| 11:23.11 | Oleg_ | manually |
| 11:23.49 | Oleg_ | it's wrong to do it? |
| 11:24.11 | mobtek | nope I was getting something similar on auto with previous versions |
| 11:24.22 | Oleg_ | hehe |
| 11:24.54 | visik7 | how can I pass an url like irc://server/channel to konversation ? |
| 11:24.57 | qupada | well if it was a buffer underrun, then setting the speed manually could have been the issue, but it doesn't look like that |
| 11:25.20 | Oleg_ | and dvd-r discs burn with 1x speed if I don't change the speed from auto to 8x |
| 11:26.18 | Oleg_ | ok, let's try to burn this dvd+r disc with auto speed |
| 11:26.18 | nestorm | Oleg_: have you tried to burn a cd under root user? |
| 11:26.37 | Oleg_ | nestorm: no, I burn as su- |
| 11:26.55 | nestorm | no root user? |
| 11:27.00 | Oleg_ | no |
| 11:27.05 | GraveDigger | good |
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| 11:27.22 | Oleg_ | should I try to burn it as root? |
| 11:27.33 | GraveDigger | have u run k3bsetup |
| 11:27.34 | GraveDigger | ? |
| 11:28.08 | Oleg_ | it says I gotta run it manually as root |
| 11:28.14 | GraveDigger | indeed |
| 11:28.27 | GraveDigger | k3bsetup sets up all files/permissions as required |
| 11:29.51 | Oleg_ | ok, so I should exit kde and then re-login as root? |
| 11:30.08 | benJIman | no you can run it with kdesu |
| 11:30.33 | Oleg_ | it says kdesu can't be found |
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| 11:30.38 | floe | hi all |
| 11:31.03 | Oleg_ | ok, I'll be back. I'll run it as root, then re-login as user |
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| 11:32.38 | floe | even though kmail didn't run while I saved my kde session nor is it in my Autostart folder it starts on kde startup??? Any ideas why? |
| 11:34.24 | nestorm | do you have any kmail entry at .bashrc? |
| 11:34.28 | nestorm | just to check |
| 11:36.58 | floe | nestorm: nope... all that happens since I used the kolab wizard. Normally I used to store kontact in my session. After using the wizard both kontact and kmail (outside of kontact) started. |
| 11:37.53 | nestorm | floe: any icon at the systray? |
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| 11:38.03 | nestorm | any mail notification icon or so |
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| 11:39.23 | Oleg_ | as root, the same thing happens |
| 11:39.36 | Oleg_ | and also, if I set the speed to auto |
| 11:39.37 | nestorm | did you run k3bsetup? |
| 11:39.41 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 11:39.49 | Oleg_ | and hit Apply |
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| 11:39.52 | floe | nestorm: I quitted kontact AND kmail then manually saved my kde session (in k menu). Then did a relogin (kdm)... but kmail starts anyway... and yes it is in the systray then (thats what i want it to be, but only when started with kontact). |
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| 11:40.44 | nestorm | Oleg_: don't know |
| 11:41.00 | Oleg_ | thiago: maybe you know? |
| 11:41.04 | nestorm | Oleg_: maybe a gentoo channel is a better place |
| 11:41.35 | thiago | Oleg_: maybe I know what? |
| 11:41.38 | nestorm | floe: remove the icon |
| 11:41.41 | nestorm | save the session |
| 11:41.56 | nestorm | start session again without nothing related with kmail |
| 11:42.09 | nestorm | and then configure the icon at systray they way you like it |
| 11:42.33 | Oleg_ | thiago: I put a debug info for k3b burning in pastebin. Did you see it? |
| 11:42.38 | thiago | no |
| 11:42.46 | nestorm | not sure it that will work, but I would do it like that |
| 11:43.01 | floe | nestorm: thx,... will try that |
| 11:43.01 | Oleg_ | people, what was the link to that info? |
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| 11:43.41 | Oleg_ | thiago: http://pastebin.com/605151 |
| 11:44.19 | thiago | Oleg_: bad media |
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| 11:44.41 | Oleg_ | thiago: no, it happens with every dvd+r disc |
| 11:44.50 | Oleg_ | thiago: all of them are maxell |
| 11:45.21 | GTswagger | Anybody here gotten XGL working in KDE -- in specific, the manual rotate cube feature? I cannot get that to work in KDE unless I have nautilus running... which of course destroys the KDE desktop. I'm 6 hours in the hole and out of ideas and Google results. |
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| 11:46.13 | thiago | Oleg_: ok, then bad recorder |
| 11:46.18 | thiago | Oleg_: there's nothing I can do |
| 11:46.25 | nestorm | Oleg_: I don't know, but in mandriva I have a different k3b package for dvd writing |
| 11:46.52 | Oleg_ | thiago: in Windows, such discs burn with no problems |
| 11:47.35 | GTswagger | Distro: Gentoo 2006.0 | KDE Version: 3.4.3 |
| 11:47.49 | GTswagger | (sorry for forgetting to include that) |
| 11:47.56 | floe | nestorm: kmail did start again :(... |
| 11:47.59 | benJIman | GTswagger: works fine for me |
| 11:48.09 | GTswagger | benJIman -- what KDE version? |
| 11:48.10 | thiago | Oleg_: again, nothing I can do for you. |
| 11:48.20 | nestorm | is kmail showing your inboxes? |
| 11:48.21 | Oleg_ | thiago: ok, thanks |
| 11:48.22 | benJIman | GTswagger: the kde version is irrelevant, it's all done by compiz |
| 11:48.52 | floe | nestorm: yes |
| 11:49.21 | nestorm | have you ever used the attribute i over your files |
| 11:49.23 | nestorm | ? |
| 11:49.25 | Oleg_ | thiago: I am able to burn dvd-r discs in k3b |
| 11:50.07 | GTswagger | This describes my problem .. the part about being able to "grab the cube" : http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL#Wrong_keyboard_layout .... any ideas what under the hood of KDE I need to tweak in regards to that bit on the wiki? |
| 11:50.26 | Oleg_ | ok, folks, going to sleep |
| 11:51.49 | GTswagger | Oleg_ if you haven't left yet.... |
| 11:52.03 | Oleg_ | yeah? |
| 11:52.40 | GTswagger | Oleg_ I've found that some DVD/CD media is made very poorly... I can burn a TDK disc and it will be useless in days.... I can't explain it other than poor media .... I *always* use Memorex ... haven't had one go bad on me or fail to burn in years. |
| 11:52.42 | benJIman | GTswagger: starting compiz with the cube option? |
| 11:52.47 | floe | nestorm: nope,... if then I was'nt aware of it |
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| 11:53.12 | GTswagger | benJIman -- yes .... if I fire up nautilus (which then places Gnome desktop on top of KDE desktop) I am suddenly able to manually spin the cube.... |
| 11:53.22 | nestorm | floe: thinking mmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 11:53.29 | Oleg_ | GTswagger: okay |
| 11:53.43 | benJIman | GTswagger: what are you using to spin it, control-alt-right/left? |
| 11:54.09 | GTswagger | Oleg_ Buy like a 5 pack of Memorex DVD discs and try them... if it fails to burn it's going to be a problem with the drive.. .either failing or in need of firmware update |
| 11:54.09 | floe | nestorm: I'm not sure but since all that happens since I used the wizard I think this is kolab related somehow... |
| 11:54.28 | nestorm | yes yes |
| 11:54.29 | GTswagger | benJIman -- Ctrl + Alt + Left click on wallpaper then move mouse |
| 11:54.30 | nestorm | but... |
| 11:54.37 | nestorm | what about kmailrc file |
| 11:54.58 | Oleg_ | GTswagger: maybe I'll do it |
| 11:55.10 | floe | nestorm: one sec. |
| 11:55.10 | benJIman | GTswagger: try control-alt-left/right arrow |
| 11:55.20 | benJIman | GTswagger: or windows key+ click on wallpaper + move mouse |
| 11:56.07 | GTswagger | benJIman -- Ctrl + Alt + Left/Right arrow works .. i'll try windows key |
| 11:56.32 | GTswagger | benJIman -- hold on, let me restart KDE to use XGL (had to cut it off to fire up a 3D game) |
| 11:56.47 | floe | nestorm: BIG file ;): I' searched for start and found checkmail-startup=false and first-start=false |
| 11:57.33 | nestorm | and kolab rc files? |
| 11:58.28 | floe | nestorm: It's a binary with some readable ascii. It seems only my password and connection info (server dn) is stored there... |
| 11:58.47 | nestorm | one thing |
| 11:58.58 | floe | nestorm: nothing kolab related (serached for kolab string) within kmailrc... |
| 11:59.12 | nestorm | are you sure you close all kmail instances before saving session? |
| 11:59.24 | nestorm | are you using ksysguardd to check that out? |
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| 11:59.44 | floe | nestorm: ok, will try that and use ps/top/ksysg... cu |
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| 12:00.23 | nestorm | floe: all right |
| 12:00.31 | fredE | GTswagger: compiz starts nautilus? |
| 12:00.33 | GTswagger | benJIman -- win key + left mouse on wallpaper + move mouse ... doesn't work |
| 12:00.49 | GTswagger | fredE -- negative.... the problem is I cannot manually rotate cube |
| 12:01.01 | fredE | "manually" ? |
| 12:01.12 | GTswagger | fredE -- if I start nautilus.. I can manually rotate cube... but ONLY after I start nautilus ... which of course ruins the KDE desktop |
| 12:01.24 | floe | nestorm: strike :D... there is kio_pop3 still running... I will kill it and save the session |
| 12:01.27 | GTswagger | fredE -- Ctrl + Alt + Left click on wallpaper (then move mouse) |
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| 12:01.33 | nestorm | all right |
| 12:01.36 | fredE | GTswagger: what about gnome-window-decorator? |
| 12:01.39 | nestorm | have to go floe |
| 12:01.42 | nestorm | good luck! |
| 12:01.47 | HeavenWarrior | are there kde stand-alone packages |
| 12:01.48 | floe | nestorm: thx dude.. :D |
| 12:01.55 | nestorm | not at all |
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| 12:02.07 | HeavenWarrior | i mean for example kolour paint not of group kdegraphics |
| 12:02.26 | GTswagger | fredE -- I have it started using /usr/kde/3.4/share/config/kdm/Xstartup |
| 12:02.51 | fredE | GTswagger: so does that start gnome-window-decorator? |
| 12:03.07 | GTswagger | fredE -- yes |
| 12:03.21 | GTswagger | fredE -- third line in that file: gnome-window-decorator & |
| 12:04.06 | fredE | GTswagger: are you started up with Xstartup thing right now? |
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| 12:04.14 | GTswagger | fredE -- correct |
| 12:04.19 | GTswagger | Contents of that file is: |
| 12:04.23 | fredE | GTswagger: ok make sure with "pidof gnome-window-decorator" |
| 12:04.55 | GTswagger | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib compiz --replace gconf & |
| 12:04.55 | GTswagger | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.55 | GTswagger | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.55 | GTswagger | setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout us -variant basic |
| 12:05.04 | GTswagger | woops... didn't think it'd copy the line breaks |
| 12:05.33 | GTswagger | fredE -- it's indeed running -- 10276 |
| 12:05.54 | fredE | and if you kill nautilus what happens |
| 12:07.01 | GTswagger | fredE -- kde desktop look / wallpaper etc returns (although sometimes I do have to kill it and start it again.. it'll be just a blue box) ... |
| 12:07.12 | GTswagger | fredE -- and killing nautilus will result in a loss of ability to manually spin cube |
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| 12:07.30 | GTswagger | fredE -- if I open up gconf-editor... I *do not* have an entry under apps -> for compiz :-/ |
| 12:07.32 | fredE | will you still have a window manager? |
| 12:07.37 | GTswagger | fredE -- yes |
| 12:07.55 | fredE | does it work with compiz still? |
| 12:08.16 | GTswagger | fredE -- when I start nautilus it gobbles up desktop background and opens a file manager window ... killing it makes things go (most of the time) back to normal |
| 12:08.19 | GTswagger | fredE -- yes |
| 12:08.38 | GTswagger | fredE -- but the Gentoo wiki says there should be an entry in there... and there isn't :-/ |
| 12:09.33 | fredE | hmm well I couldn't ever get the gconf thing going, using the Gentoo wiki.. but I am able to get the cube spin with only compiz and gnome-window-decorator |
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| 12:10.11 | fredE | try starting compiz with |
| 12:10.18 | fredE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:11.34 | GTswagger | fredE -- do I need to make that change in Xstartup and restart X .. or would simply running that command suffice? |
| 12:11.49 | fredE | i think just running should do |
| 12:12.26 | GTswagger | here goes |
| 12:12.41 | GTswagger | compiz: Couldn't load plugin 'libopacity.so' |
| 12:12.46 | GTswagger | but it appears to have restartsed |
| 12:12.53 | fredE | ok just take out opacity |
| 12:13.02 | fredE | i had emerged that separately |
| 12:13.40 | GTswagger | fredE -- ok done ... manual spin still not working |
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| 12:14.11 | hussam | In the taskbar in kicker on kde 3.5.1, how can I force it to show minimized applications in only one row? currently it shows two rows even if they fit near each other. |
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| 12:15.12 | GTswagger | hussam -- a neat taskbar I use b/c it's transparent and one row you may want to try is Taskbar V2 |
| 12:15.22 | GTswagger | do a google for it... it will fit your need I think |
| 12:15.50 | fredE | which overlay are you using? |
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| 12:16.39 | hussam | GTswagger, that can't be done with the regular taskbar, right? anyway I'll google taskbar v2 |
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| 12:18.19 | GTswagger | hussam -- I couldn't ever get it to do that |
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| 12:18.33 | GTswagger | hussam -- plus I wanted the taskbar to be transparent ... which Taskbar V2 does as well |
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| 12:24.49 | n20b | hi, in kde you can make gtk2 apps inherit the kde colors with a checkbox in kcontrol. how is it done? a config file? a program? i'd like gtk2 apps to inherit kde colors also outside kde, fluxbox for example. |
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| 12:26.12 | flaccid | i have this when trying yum update with kde.repos: Error: Missing Dependency: dbus-qt = 0.22-10.FC3.2.1.kde is needed by package dbus-devel |
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| 12:26.24 | flaccid | yet i have this rpm installed, anyone know what the problem is? |
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| 12:26.31 | df00z | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=65857 hey |
| 12:26.48 | df00z | Apparently, only KDE renders fonts slowly w/ AA and subpixel hinting enabled, GTK apps are fine |
| 12:27.13 | df00z | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107690 |
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| 12:30.06 | GTswagger | flaccid -- may wanna give that Q a shot in #fedora ... sounds like that's more on the shoulders of Fedora's package manager |
| 12:30.49 | flaccid | dang i need to register to join that chan |
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| 12:31.12 | flaccid | do u know what dbus-qt is by any chance? |
| 12:34.41 | flaccid | i may of found a solution |
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| 13:02.43 | mcscruff | is this the place to ask about k3b problems? |
| 13:03.50 | GraveDigger | well |
| 13:03.55 | GraveDigger | its at least a good start |
| 13:03.57 | GraveDigger | :) |
| 13:05.05 | mcscruff | well, i have some cd-rw's (80 min) but when i goto burn iso's to them it says not enough room on there |
| 13:05.39 | GTswagger | If anybody has manual rotate cube in XGL working in KDE... please I beg of your assistance. I'm trying to get XGL working in full for an installfest this weekend.... but I cannot manually spin the cube w/o freakin' nautilus running |
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| 13:07.09 | mcscruff | aaa, i'll burn to dvd-rw |
| 13:07.15 | mcscruff | sort it out later |
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| 13:20.38 | BoardDWorld | Did anyone not have history in Konqueror when first installing suse 10 x64? |
| 13:20.39 | BoardDWorld | I've never had it though it is enable, to start I didn't even have the history button |
| 13:20.39 | BoardDWorld | any ideas? |
| 13:20.42 | Enverex | Is there any way to change how GTK apps look in KDE? As they look awful |
| 13:20.54 | BoardDWorld | or any distro |
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| 13:22.07 | BoardDWorld | Enverex: www.globalauctionz.com/snapshot2.jpg |
| 13:22.45 | Enverex | BoardDWorld: And you showed me that because... |
| 13:24.09 | illogic-al | akademy's been announced! awesome! |
| 13:24.20 | Enverex | ... which is what? |
| 13:24.34 | DeadS0ul | if a variable starts with m_, is it for a member or a method? |
| 13:24.46 | illogic-al | Enverex: kde world developers conference |
| 13:24.52 | illogic-al | DeadS0ul: yah |
| 13:25.00 | DeadS0ul | yeah what? |
| 13:25.06 | illogic-al | Enverex: and I plan on goin' even though i'm not a dev :-) |
| 13:25.20 | illogic-al | Enverex: gtk-qt is probably what you are looking for. |
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| 13:27.07 | Enverex | illogic-al: Which is what? A program, a part of KDE? |
| 13:27.31 | illogic-al | a style, probably provided by your distro. |
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| 13:27.59 | HamishTPB | Enverex: gtk_engines_qt is what it is called where I have seen it, hope that helps |
| 13:28.07 | Enverex | Thanks |
| 13:28.14 | B0neTruper | can anyone help me with superkaramba's sysinfo??? |
| 13:28.43 | Enverex | One question though. In XFCE QT apps looked like QT apps and GTK apps like GTK apps, same with Gnome. Why in KDE do GTK apps look like ass? |
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| 13:28.57 | B0neTruper | i set it up in gentoo and the net use table does not show the kbps in/out rate, only my ip address |
| 13:29.05 | B0neTruper | don't know what to do! help please :) |
| 13:29.39 | HamishTPB | Enverex: no idea what the default gtk_engine used in KDE is but perhaps that is the problem |
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| 13:30.16 | Enverex | Anyone here running Gentoo? |
| 13:30.21 | B0neTruper | me |
| 13:30.22 | HamishTPB | .o/ |
| 13:30.25 | HamishTPB | me |
| 13:30.42 | Enverex | Is gtk_engines_qt in portage under some other name? |
| 13:30.47 | HamishTPB | nope |
| 13:30.52 | HamishTPB | hang on |
| 13:31.01 | HamishTPB | maybe it is "engine" |
| 13:31.13 | B0neTruper | could anyone help me??? |
| 13:31.53 | HamishTPB | "gtk-engines-qt", Enverex |
| 13:31.59 | HamishTPB | sorry for typo |
| 13:32.10 | HamishTPB | also it is masked |
| 13:32.24 | HamishTPB | x11-themes/gtk-engines-qt |
| 13:32.31 | B0neTruper | does anyone uses superkaramba and sysinfo in gentoo? |
| 13:32.50 | Enverex | yeah, I looked for gtk_engines_qt and gtk-engines but forgot to use -s :P |
| 13:32.57 | HamishTPB | :) |
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| 13:39.11 | padde | does anybody have a working symbian<->kontact syncing solution? |
| 13:39.23 | padde | (symbian s80 OS, that is) |
| 13:39.42 | illogic-al | B0neTruper: sorry, I don't |
| 13:39.53 | illogic-al | B0neTruper: what's the problem? |
| 13:40.17 | B0neTruper | i solve it :) |
| 13:40.19 | B0neTruper | i 've just solved it :) |
| 13:40.41 | B0neTruper | i put in the script device=eth1 and i solved the problem |
| 13:40.50 | illogic-al | :-) |
| 13:41.07 | B0neTruper | it didn't show the incoming and outgoing speed in the superkarmba's sysinfo :) |
| 13:41.08 | GraveDigger | LOL |
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| 13:42.14 | illogic-al | Ireland's right beside England. Sweet. |
| 13:42.27 | GraveDigger | ? |
| 13:42.58 | illogic-al | Maybe I can cop a visit w/ my aunt. instead of flying directly to Dublin. |
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| 13:54.59 | xbeanx | I'm having problems starting the kdemediamanager part of kded. |
| 13:55.25 | xbeanx | I've recently found an issue on my system with nfs locking, so I'm wondering if they could be related. Does anyone know anything about the kdemediamanager? |
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| 14:00.18 | ckd | Hello everybody |
| 14:01.20 | ckd | HELP ME PLEASE |
| 14:01.59 | ckd | aib: wanna help me ? |
| 14:02.54 | Chryseus | You would propably get answer if you would just ask the question |
| 14:03.04 | ckd | okay |
| 14:03.24 | ckd | I use KAdressbook for manage my Kontacts |
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| 14:04.05 | ckd | i have selfmade fields, but if I want import some kontcts from a csv, i dont choose the selfmade fields...why ? |
| 14:04.25 | ckd | i cant choose the selfmade fields |
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| 14:10.33 | ckd | nobody know this |
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| 14:11.18 | harfooz | hi all. Where is the setting for telling konqueror the path for my flash player plugin? |
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| 14:12.25 | harfooz | my version of Konqueror is 3.5.1. My system is all Debian Etch. |
| 14:13.09 | harfooz | I have the flash plugin installed for Firefox, but the toyota.com web site is not displaying properly. So I wanted to try to view it with Konqueror. |
| 14:13.29 | harfooz | But Konqueror does not know where to look for my flash plugin. |
| 14:14.08 | harfooz | I looked in Settings > Configure Konqueror, but there is no Plugin configuration icon. |
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| 14:15.40 | harfooz | When I've googled for a solution, the only things I have found (thus far) have said to go to Settings > Configure Konqueror > Plugins. So I suspect something big has changed in the way konq deals with the flash plugin with 3.5. |
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| 14:15.52 | benJIman | harfooz: settings -> configure konqueror -> plugins, add the location that flashplayer is installed to to that path, and click reetect |
| 14:16.08 | benJIman | harfooz: what distro are you using ,and is it 64bit? |
| 14:16.22 | denisbr | Hi, Can I to use proxy in the kopete? How? |
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| 14:16.36 | harfooz | benJIman, my 3.5.1 Konqueror does not have a plugin icon or tab. |
| 14:16.42 | harfooz | I'm using Debian etch. |
| 14:16.46 | benJIman | harfooz: settings -> configigure konqueror -> plugins |
| 14:17.23 | benJIman | harfooz: 64bit or 32bit? |
| 14:17.35 | harfooz | benJIman, it's just not on mine. What items is "plugins" between? Mine starts with File Associations, Web Behavior, etc. |
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| 14:17.37 | harfooz | 32-bit |
| 14:18.03 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/konqprefs.png |
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| 14:18.32 | GTswagger | benJIman -- have any more ideas regarding XGL and KDE's inability to use the manual rotate cube ? |
| 14:18.43 | benJIman | GTswagger: no , works fine for me, must be your configuration |
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| 14:19.22 | harfooz | that item is not in my konqueror. |
| 14:19.47 | harfooz | Mine goes from Browser Identification to Performance -- no Plugins at all. |
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| 14:20.53 | harfooz | hmmm.... apt-cache search konqueror shows knoqueror-nsplugins maybe that's what I need. |
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| 14:22.21 | davide | k |
| 14:22.33 | davide | hi |
| 14:22.59 | davide | Hello! |
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| 14:26.37 | davide | what kind of program is this? |
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| 14:28.11 | elirips | hello. I forgot to export kaddressbook when i reinstalled my system. but I made a copy of the users home directory. Does someone know if kaddressbook saves it's contacts in the users homes? If yes, do you know where? |
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| 14:28.58 | davide | No! sorry! |
| 14:29.33 | elirips | uh... damnit.. where does it save its data? |
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| 14:30.48 | denisbr | Hi, Can I to use proxy in the kopete |
| 14:31.17 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there any recommendable place where I could set "xset -b" when KDE starts? |
| 14:31.50 | WindowsUninstall | davide, Are you italian? |
| 14:31.56 | davide | yes! |
| 14:32.11 | davide | and U? |
| 14:32.18 | WindowsUninstall | davide, Yes |
| 14:32.30 | WindowsUninstall | davide, Are you a developer? |
| 14:32.32 | lolownik | Greetings Kearthlings. Can i make KDE applications use kde tray provided by kicker in other window managers (without kwin support) - i try with enlightenment 17 (e17) but nothing shows in the tray. any hints? |
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| 14:34.10 | davide | To WU: No! I have few knoledge in C and Java! |
| 14:34.21 | davide | and you? |
| 14:34.40 | WindowsUninstall | davide, yes |
| 14:35.22 | WindowsUninstall | davide, I'm a developer... I know c++ and other programming language |
| 14:35.33 | davide | To WU: Oh! you are Great! |
| 14:36.20 | lolownik | omfg. |
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| 14:37.42 | davide | To WU: Unfortunately i have not enought time to learn so good to be a developer! |
| 14:40.17 | lauri | lolownik: what were you trying? there is ksystraycmd, but I don't know if it's hooked to kicker or kwin |
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| 14:43.24 | davide | To WU: How should i know to be a devel? |
| 14:43.37 | _root | linux |
| 14:43.47 | WindowsUninstall | davide, C++ and Qt |
| 14:43.47 | lolownik | lauri, i want to get kde tray in different wm |
| 14:43.52 | lolownik | how to do that? |
| 14:44.00 | davide | what is Qt? |
| 14:44.20 | WindowsUninstall | davide, Qt is a library |
| 14:45.04 | WindowsUninstall | davide, http://www.trolltech.com/ |
| 14:45.12 | _root | #linux |
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| 14:45.54 | lauri | lolownik: the kde tray, is part of kicker |
| 14:45.58 | lolownik | yes |
| 14:46.00 | lauri | kicker runs with any window manager |
| 14:46.07 | WindowsUninstall | Can someone help me with kdemail.net ? |
| 14:46.09 | lolownik | how to make amarok, noatun etc place icons there? |
| 14:47.21 | davide | To WU: thanks a lot Win Unistaller! |
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| 14:48.25 | WindowsUninstall | Hi sredna |
| 14:48.46 | sredna | Hello WindowsUninstall :) |
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| 14:50.08 | WindowsUninstall | sredna, Remember my monobasic syntax file :D |
| 14:50.23 | sredna | WindowsUninstall: Yes |
| 14:51.07 | benJIman | mkl1525: you can turn off bell in kcontrol I believe, or you can put that command in ~/.kde/Autostart , or in ~/.xinitrc |
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| 14:57.03 | joscha | i want to archive that kmail only shows unread messages from the Inbox-folger in its systray icon and no mails from other directories. is this possible? |
| 15:04.00 | mkl1525 | benJIman, thanks for the suggestion will try it |
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| 15:11.03 | whoppix | hey all :) i have a little problem with artsd, i want to configure it that multiple programms can output sound at the same time, for example teamspeak and amarok, is there a way to do that with artsd? with alsasound and emu10k1 evrything works fine... |
| 15:13.49 | visik7 | use alsa |
| 15:13.52 | visik7 | artsd sucks |
| 15:14.18 | whoppix | lol, ok ^^ |
| 15:14.21 | benJIman | whoppix: if you have emu10k1 other things can output while arts is using sound card |
| 15:14.39 | whoppix | ah, ok |
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| 15:14.46 | benJIman | so you don't need to worry |
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| 15:28.02 | wireddd | why does konqueror open so many kio threads? |
| 15:28.19 | wireddd | when you browse the web that is |
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| 15:38.29 | mkl1525 | I'd like to use kdesvn with kdiff3 - does anybody know how to set the kdiff3 command so that it starts automatically with the selected file? |
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| 15:52.54 | Kapilavastu | hello every body |
| 15:53.38 | Kapilavastu | do you know why with kde 3.5 i can not have sound for some apps like thunderbird etc? |
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| 16:13.34 | kingmike | How to use dcop with kteatime ? I'd like to make it start my tea when I press a button of my remote control (with lirc) |
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| 16:16.46 | sachwatt | hi |
| 16:17.03 | sachwatt | is there a german speaking channel for kde-users? |
| 16:17.41 | Kapilavastu | does someone could help me http://pastebin.com/605624 |
| 16:18.21 | Polar | sachwatt: #kde.de |
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| 16:18.48 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 16:19.09 | raddy | what happend to firefox-qt project? |
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| 16:21.13 | sachwatt | polar: thanks |
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| 16:22.53 | oneforall | how can I refresh the window manager ? part of the frame is go . the one with the min max and the X |
| 16:24.36 | vicks | is there an easy way to get rss feeds into the sidabar in konqueror? |
| 16:25.02 | oneforall | hmm ctrl+m doesn't work |
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| 16:26.08 | robos | using kate, i have my files in the file pane on the left side. Is there a hotkey to move up or down to the next file in the list? |
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| 16:27.26 | kingmike | robos : kate ? not sure. But in emacs you may find things like that |
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| 16:30.58 | RockMan | hi |
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| 16:33.06 | robos | n/m on my question. alt+arrow does it |
| 16:33.22 | robos | #kate helped me |
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| 16:36.05 | cd_rom | do i need .xinitrc and .xsession to startkde? |
| 16:36.29 | cd_rom | i am running debian and there is either of those files |
| 16:36.51 | sredna | cd_rom: Put 'startkde' in ~/.xsession |
| 16:37.22 | cd_rom | i creat 2 of those file with one line 'startkde' as it said in the install doc |
| 16:37.35 | cd_rom | but i still can't startkde |
| 16:38.15 | cd_rom | however, i can startkde 3.5 in gnome terminal |
| 16:38.22 | cd_rom | how weird! |
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| 16:40.59 | DaBlade | This is gonna sound lame, but where in kconfig do I disable the annoying bouncing icons of apps I start? |
| 16:41.05 | optikalmouse | hello? i have a problem with kde 3.5, my menu items have disappeared |
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| 16:41.55 | DaBlade | When I click on an app, I see it's icon bouncing under my cursor. I don't like that..where in the control center do I disable it? |
| 16:42.38 | optikalmouse | DaBlade: i'll find it as soon as i can see my control center heh |
| 16:42.49 | DaBlade | lol |
| 16:43.28 | cd_rom | optikalmouse, DaBlade: you guys compile kde3.5 from source? |
| 16:43.37 | optikalmouse | nope, arch package |
| 16:43.39 | DaBlade | cd_rom: nope, deb packages |
| 16:43.46 | optikalmouse | and the last time i installed it, it worked properly |
| 16:44.27 | cd_rom | DaBlade: i run debian too, but compile from source but can't start it |
| 16:44.42 | DaBlade | cd_rom: I didn't say I ran Debian. :P |
| 16:44.43 | cd_rom | can you check see if yougot .xinitrc or xsession in your directory? |
| 16:45.06 | DaBlade | cd_rom: Everything here works fine, except I can't find in which section of kcontrol I disable it |
| 16:45.09 | cd_rom | oh, beg you a pardon, i was rush! DaBlade |
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| 16:46.13 | optikalmouse | kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ |
| 16:46.18 | optikalmouse | that doesn't sound good :/ |
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| 16:47.54 | cd_rom | optikalmouse: i can't help cause ican't even start my kde! |
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| 16:53.36 | raddy | Hello Does anybody know what happend to firefox-qt? |
| 16:54.25 | optikalmouse | ?? |
| 16:54.34 | optikalmouse | check out gtk-qt engine |
| 16:54.42 | optikalmouse | that'll make gtk apps look like qt |
| 16:55.00 | optikalmouse | therefore, firefox will look like qt :) |
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| 17:14.35 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:15.06 | DexterF | lil off topic: need to recover accidentally deleted files from an ntfs partition - are there any programs in linux for this? |
| 17:15.36 | DexterF | i have ntfsundelete here, but mileage could be better. zarro for now that is. |
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| 17:23.59 | hussam | DexterF, if there's a windows installed on that ntfs partition, then boot to it and use a undelete programs, there is a lot out there. |
| 17:24.42 | DexterF | booting that system isn't necessarily the best idea. possibly data gets overwritten. |
| 17:24.49 | DexterF | gotta check what lies on which part... |
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| 17:26.07 | Blissex | I'd like to see the process id of a running Konqueror somewhere in its window or window decoration. Is it possible? How? |
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| 17:27.09 | hussam | DexterF, ok give a sec, I might be able to find a program that boots from a diskette and undeletes files |
| 17:27.21 | hussam | DexterF, http://www.ntfs.com/boot-disk.htm |
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| 17:29.45 | fredrikh | Blissex: sure, change the kwin style to include the _NET_WM_PID hint in the caption |
| 17:30.21 | Blissex | fredrikh: ahhh that sounds interesting. I can then do that for all windows I guess.. Uhm. |
| 17:31.01 | fredrikh | if the toolkit sets that hint |
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| 17:31.15 | Blissex | fredrikh: sounds good. |
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| 17:34.12 | denisbr | How I connect in the kopete using proxy? |
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| 17:36.42 | LiquidAir | how can i get one of my mouse buttons to cause a firefox to go back once in history |
| 17:40.22 | dipnlik | LiquidAir: workaround: all-in-one gestures extension |
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| 17:57.03 | cVsup | hi |
| 17:57.13 | cVsup | my kde not detect other fonts |
| 17:57.44 | dsacode | Hello! I've bought LCD monitor today (1280x1024 @ 75Hz, 19"). I've enabled antialiasing and sub-pixel hinting.. Can you advice me good fonts for my terminal and editors? And color schemes as well? |
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| 18:01.03 | straw | dsacode: same here, just bought one the other day |
| 18:01.52 | straw | dsacode: first thing i'd suggest is enabling the autohinter if you haven't already |
| 18:02.12 | BlackBsd | does anyone know if there is a way to generate "reports" in cvs? |
| 18:02.17 | dsacode | straw, can i do it using kde control center? |
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| 18:02.54 | straw | no, unfortunately |
| 18:04.05 | straw | i've created http://straw.sh.nu/local.conf from some wikis i've been reading. copy that to /etc/fonts and see if it helps |
| 18:05.21 | dsacode | straw, hmm, i heard that KDE ignores fonts.conf.. |
| 18:05.42 | cVsup | kde 3.4.2 |
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| 18:06.00 | cVsup | in control center no more options to configure and installing fonts |
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| 18:06.19 | straw | that's not true, really. it does set some values that override fonts.conf/local.conf |
| 18:06.29 | benJIman | dsacode: no it edits fonts.conf |
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| 18:06.37 | benJIman | dsacode: and of course obeys stuff in there |
| 18:06.39 | Ayoze | hi all |
| 18:07.09 | straw | it doesn't edit fonts.conf directly, benJIman |
| 18:07.23 | straw | it sets xrdb values |
| 18:08.31 | straw | Xft.antialias: 1, Xft.hinting: 1, Xft.hintstyle: hintfull, Xft.rgba: rgb are set, depending on the values selected in kcontrol |
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| 18:09.32 | straw | so some of the entries in the local.conf i posted are redundant, but enabling the autohinter is the main thing i suppose |
| 18:10.54 | straw | oh hey, it's editing ~/.fonts.conf |
| 18:11.20 | benJIman | yeah |
| 18:11.27 | straw | obviously, i'm new to this :) |
| 18:12.08 | straw | so local.conf for system-wide and ~/.fonts.conf for a local user |
| 18:13.06 | benJIman | indeed |
| 18:14.19 | straw | dsacode: http://slackwiki.org/LCD_Monitor_Configuration_In_X.Org and http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts have helped a lot so far |
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| 18:15.10 | straw | dsacode: and http://ddccontrol.sourceforge.net/ is useful if your display is supported |
| 18:15.16 | filipe | I need help in grub suse configurations |
| 18:15.50 | straw | though it's a bit buggy/incomplete and in need of a qt/kde frontend |
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| 18:20.24 | I_am_the | i need help with linuxe |
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| 18:21.14 | fLeisch | ahem... |
| 18:21.21 | fLeisch | wuhu! |
| 18:21.28 | lauri | I_am_the: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 18:21.39 | lauri | if we can help, we will, if we can't, we can probably tell you where to ask |
| 18:22.11 | fLeisch | are that aLL engLish-speakin peopLe? |
| 18:23.06 | fLeisch | ? |
| 18:23.13 | I_am_the | ok i have a pc with 3 hd |
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| 18:23.26 | I_am_the | one with windows |
| 18:23.35 | Blissex | dsacode: straw just noticed your discussion on fonts... Some notes. |
| 18:23.36 | I_am_the | de second with documents |
| 18:23.43 | I_am_the | as the other empty |
| 18:24.06 | straw | Blissex: i was waitng for you to comment Blissex :) |
| 18:24.10 | Blissex | dsacode: with LCDs I find best to use bitmap fonts or well manually hinted fonts, without AA and autohinting. |
| 18:24.12 | I_am_the | i desconect the disk with docs |
| 18:24.21 | I_am_the | and install suse |
| 18:24.41 | I_am_the | then conect the disk with docs and a mensage |
| 18:24.43 | straw | Blissex: yeah, i was going to try those options next |
| 18:24.53 | lauri | this is not sounding like anything I can help you with (I don't run linux, I don't dual boot, and this isn't about KDE) |
| 18:24.56 | I_am_the | grub loading, please waiti... |
| 18:25.11 | I_am_the | error 22 |
| 18:26.19 | Blissex | straw: dsacode: also, for LCD monitors the best refresh rate is 60 or around that. For LCDs with DVI it does notm matter, but for LCDs with analog in a lower refresh rate means the ADC is not so hard pressed. |
| 18:26.47 | I_am_the | anyone for help |
| 18:26.50 | straw | i'm at 60 atm |
| 18:26.56 | Blissex | straw: dsacode: LCDs don't have phosphors with a short persistence, and they don;t refresh... |
| 18:27.53 | straw | and connected to the dvi out on the card |
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| 18:27.53 | dsacode | Blissex, straw, Thank you! |
| 18:27.58 | Blissex | at to hinting, the story goes like this: with well hinted fonts the autohinter does a terrible job; viceversa with not well hinted fonts, they look terrible with the hint intepreter. |
| 18:28.32 | straw | yeah, it's a trade off. i'm still debating recompiling freetype |
| 18:28.43 | Blissex | so the choices are really somewhat stark: use well hinted fonts or bitmap fonts, with the autohinter off and the interpreter on, or viceversa. |
| 18:29.42 | Blissex | now the interesting this that not many realize is that since both X and FontConfig use much the same rasterizer it is possible to set up both to have the same set of fonts; that is one can have bitmap fonts in FontConfig too. |
| 18:30.05 | straw | yeah, redhat do that already afaict |
| 18:30.06 | dsacode | Blissex, can you suggest some fonts for terminal and editor? |
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| 18:30.58 | Blissex | dsacode: well, for those I always use the Adobe Courier bitmap fonts because they come in several sizes, in medium and bold with the same size, and are very readable. |
| 18:31.29 | Blissex | dsacode: among the scalable fonts the only well hinted fonts are (unfortunately) the Microsoft web fonts... |
| 18:31.56 | Blissex | dsacode: but of those I find Courier New too tall, but I like Andale Mono. |
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| 18:43.05 | straw | hm, trying the with interpreter enabled and ms web fonts |
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| 18:45.17 | Blissex | straw: and hopefully AA disabled, because with intepreter/hinted fonts the outlines are virtually perfect and one does not need AA. |
| 18:45.32 | straw | alright |
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| 18:47.01 | benJIman | Blissex: we had a discussion about this earlier |
| 18:47.11 | straw | i found it nice on a CRT |
| 18:47.18 | wireddd | I think its about time someone made some monitors that have 100x resolution |
| 18:47.26 | Blissex | benJIman: it is a very constroversial subject... |
| 18:47.30 | benJIman | wireddd: they do, they're called CRTs |
| 18:47.31 | |crp| | Hi! Can I access a Calendar file (ics) and an addressbook file (vcf) which are on a webdav resource? |
| 18:47.57 | wireddd | benJIman, you can do 12800x10240 on a crt? |
| 18:47.57 | |crp| | I can read, bt I cannot write from within korganizer / kaddressbook. |
| 18:48.01 | |crp| | Please help. |
| 18:48.01 | Blissex | wireddd: some people do! you can get (very expensive 4000x3000) pixel monitors with 200-300DPI. |
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| 18:48.17 | benJIman | you said 100x |
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| 18:48.47 | trappist | I just sent two gpg-signed messages to a mailing list with kmail. both had multiple attachments. one shows up (in kmail, at least) as a bad signature. any ideas why this would happen? |
| 18:49.10 | Blissex | straw: BTW, on a CRT AA is not too bad because character outlines are fuzzy anyhow, and the AA is fuzzed down a bit. But it is very perfectly displayed on LCD :-) |
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| 18:49.42 | straw | Blissex: yes I noticed that immediately |
| 18:49.46 | wireddd | benJIman, point is that 6 years ago I could do 1600x1200 |
| 18:49.48 | Blissex | |crp|: to write to webDAV you need to setup authentication on the server and proper permissions. |
| 18:50.14 | Blissex | |crp|: as in enable the POST and PUT methods... |
| 18:50.16 | wireddd | now my monitor can't even display the full resolution of my digital camera |
| 18:50.17 | |crp| | #webdav? |
| 18:50.18 | benJIman | wireddd: monitor resolutions havn't increased much in the last decade true |
| 18:50.28 | benJIman | still stuck at arround 100-150dpi |
| 18:50.32 | wireddd | yup |
| 18:50.33 | pinotree | hello |
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| 18:50.53 | |crp| | thanks |
| 18:52.00 | Blissex | 200DPI 22" LCD: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,525370,00.asp only US$8,000 |
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| 18:52.17 | Hairulfr | hi all, anyone know why alt + right click move would stop working all of the sudden? |
| 18:52.48 | Hairulfr | "alt + right/left click move/resize" |
| 18:52.55 | Blissex | but that is from 2002, so probably it is a lot cheaper now. |
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| 18:53.50 | hugo_ | how can I change the font colors of my taskbar? |
| 18:54.04 | Evodawg | What podcast are you guys using? ipodder, podget, podracer, sodipodi ???? |
| 18:54.14 | hugo_ | I can't seem to locate an option for changing that, and only that setting :/ |
| 18:54.40 | GraveDigger | podracer? i thought that was a star wars related computer game oO |
| 18:54.41 | Evodawg | hugo_: go to kcontrol using a console and you will find the option there |
| 18:55.11 | hugo_ | Evodawg: can you be more spesific? I have looked through just about anything having with appearance to do |
| 18:55.32 | Evodawg | knew you were going to ask that question |
| 18:55.44 | hugo_ | Evodawg: now did you :P |
| 18:55.56 | dipnlik | Evodawg: i used juice (formerly ipodder) on windows, kinda liked it |
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| 18:56.23 | Evodawg | I can't remember hugo |
| 18:56.29 | Evodawg | anyone know in here |
| 18:56.58 | LeeJunFan | is there an environment variable I can set for the dir dcopserver makes it's sockets in? |
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| 18:57.01 | Evodawg | dipnlik: what do you use in linux hehehe |
| 18:57.23 | dipnlik | Evodawg: nothing, i only use linux at work. there is an ipodder version for linux |
| 18:57.28 | straw | Blissex: what about hinting? |
| 18:57.42 | Blissex | straw: what do you want to know? |
| 18:57.49 | Evodawg | dipnlik: called ipodder? |
| 18:58.00 | dipnlik | yes |
| 18:58.04 | straw | Blissex: for hintstyle in local.conf |
| 18:58.22 | Evodawg | dipnlik: i'll check it out thanks |
| 18:58.34 | straw | or does that only affects the autohinter |
| 18:58.35 | Blissex | straw: well, dependends if AA is enabled or not and personal preference... |
| 18:58.51 | Blissex | straw: and it affects the autohinter. |
| 18:59.22 | Blissex | straw: manual hints are more or less programs that change which pixels a glyph renders to, precisely. |
| 18:59.23 | benJIman | non-microsoft fonts look best with autohinter, microsoft fonts look best with bytecode interpreter |
| 18:59.28 | Evodawg | dipnlik: I only use linux period |
| 18:59.40 | dipnlik | Evodawg: lucky you |
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| 18:59.48 | alexissoft | hi |
| 19:00.14 | dipnlik | Evodawg: i use what is good in each situation :) |
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| 19:00.26 | Evodawg | dipnlik: dropped Micro$#%^& 5 years ago |
| 19:00.30 | alexissoft | i just want to access to bleeding-edge kpilot sources, where can i find them ? (i just want to fix a bug) |
| 19:01.05 | alexissoft | i've seen a part of these sources in KDE svn repository, a part on kpilot.org, etc... |
| 19:01.25 | alexissoft | i don't know which one i must choose |
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| 19:08.30 | mlouter | hey |
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| 19:10.06 | mlouter | how can i get a 'Computer' or 'Storage Media' icon on my desktop? |
| 19:10.10 | mlouter | i now only got a Trash icon |
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| 19:14.19 | dipnlik | mlouter: storage media is media:/ |
| 19:14.52 | mlouter | ah thanks |
| 19:14.54 | dipnlik | mlouter: don't know what you would want from a 'Computer' |
| 19:15.05 | dipnlik | mlouter: maybe what you want is Home. |
| 19:15.25 | dipnlik | mlouter: so a link to ~ would be fine |
| 19:15.42 | wireddd | dipnlik, no ho probably wants media:/ |
| 19:16.03 | wireddd | thats closer to what you get to my computer in win |
| 19:16.22 | wireddd | ~ is more like My Documents |
| 19:16.24 | dipnlik | wireddd: he wants 'computer' and 'storage media'. i suggest ~ and media:/ if he really wants both |
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| 19:16.59 | wireddd | or |
| 19:17.00 | dipnlik | wireddd: i know ~ is more like documents, but 'computer' doesn't make much sense for me on linux |
| 19:17.18 | wireddd | nope but it helps when you first move from win to lin |
| 19:17.55 | mlouter | i thought default there was a Computer icon that had shortcuts to Storage Media, Home Folders etc |
| 19:18.01 | mlouter | sorry ;) |
| 19:18.32 | wireddd | personally I distaste desktop icons |
| 19:18.55 | dipnlik | mlouter: better have ~ (your home - 'documents') and media:/ for your external needs |
| 19:19.28 | dipnlik | mlouter: anyway, you can configure it to your needs and likes :) |
| 19:19.51 | wireddd | and thats the beauty of linux! |
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| 19:20.20 | dipnlik | mlouter: i personally don't have desktop icons. a konqueror link on the top right bar is enough for everything |
| 19:20.51 | wireddd | I still have my main bar at the bottom more or less windows style |
| 19:21.00 | mlouter | okay thanks |
| 19:21.52 | dipnlik | wireddd: right now i'm on xfce with a single bar at the top. kde is a different story |
| 19:21.56 | dipnlik | wireddd: guess it is screenshot time :) |
| 19:22.29 | wireddd | aiight :) |
| 19:26.12 | dipnlik | wireddd: http://lab.pontodefuga.net/temp/kde_20051209_dejavu.png |
| 19:26.46 | dipnlik | wireddd: a little old but i just modified some of the icons on the top left |
| 19:27.25 | dipnlik | wireddd: removed the icon for 'places', put konqueror in the first position, so i just go to the very top left and click and i get konqueror |
| 19:27.37 | dipnlik | wireddd: (that is, when i don't use katapult :) |
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| 19:28.38 | wireddd | http://wireddd.myvnc.com/audiobands/test/wireddd.png |
| 19:28.43 | wireddd | let me know if that doesn't work |
| 19:29.33 | mlouter | The requested URL /audiobands/test/wireddd.png was not found on this server. |
| 19:30.03 | wireddd | hmm |
| 19:31.25 | wireddd | ok it should work now |
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| 19:32.18 | mlouter | check |
| 19:32.47 | Chodder | Which file do I edit for kdm to to check which each thing on my session list is being started with, because xfce doesnt seem to be starting with the propper command |
| 19:36.17 | dipnlik | wireddd: wow, a 1.4 MB file :-O downloading |
| 19:36.36 | wireddd | its 2560x1024 :) |
| 19:36.51 | dipnlik | oh, sorry :P |
| 19:36.59 | wireddd | my upload sucks too, prolly should have compressed it more |
| 19:37.02 | dipnlik | you two headed beast |
| 19:37.04 | dipnlik | :P |
| 19:37.21 | Chodder | No one can tell me what file kdm uses? |
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| 19:37.42 | StevenR | Chodder: xinit.xfce afaik |
| 19:38.03 | Chodder | StevenR, but I'm talking about the kdm file |
| 19:38.13 | Chodder | Because if i startxfce4 manually it works mint |
| 19:38.15 | sredna | Chodder: Which KDM version? |
| 19:38.25 | Chodder | whatever comes with 3.5.1 |
| 19:38.35 | wireddd | dipnlik, btw the top bar that I have gets covered up by windows |
| 19:38.43 | sredna | Chodder: Recent KDM uses files in KDEDIR/share/apps/kdm/sessions/*.desktop |
| 19:38.53 | Chodder | hmm |
| 19:38.58 | Chodder | I see those |
| 19:39.11 | sredna | There should be one for xfce |
| 19:39.11 | Dhraakellian | I don't yet have koffice installed, so I might as well try out the new one if I'm going to install it at all |
| 19:39.15 | Chodder | But i dont see one that is xfce.desktop or anything like that |
| 19:39.18 | sredna | Look at the command it execs |
| 19:39.20 | dipnlik | wireddd: should be, it only has a lot of sysmonitors :) |
| 19:39.30 | wireddd | yeah |
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| 19:39.43 | Zxcvb | is konqueror's adblock the same as firefox? |
| 19:39.58 | Chodder | sredna, I dont even have one for gnome but gnome starts fine |
| 19:40.00 | Chodder | lol |
| 19:40.10 | StevenR | Zxcvb: you can import and export the xml list thing between them |
| 19:40.15 | wireddd | dipnlik, did you use a mac before you moved to linux? |
| 19:40.31 | sredna | Chodder: What is your OS? |
| 19:40.40 | Chodder | Debian |
| 19:40.46 | Chodder | unstable |
| 19:40.51 | sredna | Chodder: Debian does not play by the rules |
| 19:41.00 | sredna | Ask in #debian or #debian-kde |
| 19:41.08 | Chodder | ok |
| 19:41.12 | Zxcvb | StevenR: I mean using this list http://www.pierceive.com/filtersetg/2006-03-08a.txt |
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| 19:41.41 | sredna | My xfce.desktop seems to exec 'xfwm' |
| 19:41.48 | dipnlik | wireddd: never used a mac, but won't die wihout having one :) |
| 19:42.01 | dipnlik | wireddd: are you asking because of the top bar? |
| 19:42.22 | wireddd | yeah |
| 19:42.29 | Zxcvb | StevenR: can I just import that file as-is, or do I need to run it through firefox first? |
| 19:42.42 | dipnlik | wireddd: i asked a mac user about it, he said it was good. i tried and liked it a lot |
| 19:42.54 | dipnlik | wireddd: saves some vertical space, that's for sure |
| 19:43.04 | StevenR | Zxcvb: if it's firefox compatable, just go for it...konq and ffox seem to use the same format afaict |
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| 19:43.51 | wireddd | yeah I guess it would save some vertical space, but I don't really need to worry about space that much |
| 19:44.04 | wireddd | I might have to try that out on my laptop though |
| 19:44.13 | dipnlik | wireddd: i need to, i'm on a 15" monitor |
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| 19:44.35 | dipnlik | wireddd: also, windows look nicer without the menu :) |
| 19:44.51 | rambo3 | is there any kdevelopment program for assembler programing ? |
| 19:44.53 | wireddd | i'll send you a couple of 17 inch crts if you want them |
| 19:46.06 | mlouter | wireddd, do you live in The Netherlands? |
| 19:46.14 | wireddd | nope |
| 19:46.17 | mlouter | :( |
| 19:46.49 | wireddd | yeah shipping a crt to europe would cost a fortune I would imagine |
| 19:47.30 | dipnlik | wireddd: if you're in Brazil, i'll want them :) |
| 19:47.42 | wireddd | im in the us |
| 19:49.05 | dipnlik | :( |
| 19:52.02 | wireddd | can you ship things to brazil with ups? I can't even find any kind of pricing on their website |
| 19:53.21 | dipnlik | wireddd: i think it is possible, i saw some sites selling things and shipping with ups, IIRC |
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| 19:57.41 | wireddd | it would cost a fortune |
| 19:58.19 | Chodder | sredna, the guys over in #debian-kde aren't providing any help to this, any more ideas? |
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| 19:59.10 | dipnlik | wireddd: thought so |
| 19:59.25 | dipnlik | wireddd: well, thanks anyway :) |
| 19:59.45 | wireddd | around $1000 actually |
| 20:00.20 | wireddd | it would be cheaper to buy roundtrip airfare and fly down there and check the monitors |
| 20:00.23 | wireddd | lol |
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| 20:01.44 | dipnlik | LOL |
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| 20:05.11 | df00z | hey |
| 20:05.19 | df00z | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=65857 this seems to be a bug in KDE? |
| 20:05.29 | df00z | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107690 |
| 20:06.35 | Aronofsky | hi guys , im looking for a cool dockbar to make my kde look like MacOs Style , i found kxdocker , what do you think of it and are there equivalent apps or better ones ? |
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| 20:08.14 | tstaerk | Aronofsky, try kpersonalizer |
| 20:09.00 | df00z | has anyone had problems with slow font AA/subpixel hinting in KDE? |
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| 20:15.24 | df00z | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107690 |
| 20:15.27 | df00z | can someone reopen that? |
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| 20:17.39 | Aronofsky | does anyone here uses kxdocker , |
| 20:17.41 | Aronofsky | ? |
| 20:17.47 | caffei | df00z, the resolution is "WONTFIX" for some reason -- apparently whoever closed it must have decided that it's a problem with nVidia's driver. |
| 20:18.26 | df00z | Then why doesn't it happen with GTK apps? |
| 20:18.29 | caffei | df00z, btw, no such problem here, but I have old hardware (32-bit, non-hyperthreading, single CPU, geforce FX) |
| 20:18.46 | caffei | df00z, no idea |
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| 20:18.56 | df00z | open konqueror, slashdot.org |
| 20:19.05 | df00z | move the scrollwindow up and down, you have font AA and subpixel hinting on? |
| 20:19.17 | benJIman | df00z: i's nvidia's drivers |
| 20:19.22 | caffei | df00z, yep, and it's not slow |
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| 20:19.37 | df00z | ..that makes no sense... |
| 20:19.52 | df00z | lol im about to stick in my GF4MX to see if its ok |
| 20:20.30 | benJIman | nvidia drivers have had this problem since 6629 |
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| 20:21.55 | nuonguy | When I press CTRL in kmail and konqueror, a bunch of keyboard popups appear - How do I turn that off? |
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| 20:25.10 | dipnlik | nuonguy: these have to do with accessibility keys, look for accessibility options in konqi |
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| 20:27.09 | benJIman | nuonguy: you have to edit the config file to turn that one off |
| 20:27.10 | dipnlik | nuonguy: i'm looking for these too. in konqi and in settings:/ |
| 20:27.16 | dipnlik | benJIman: wow |
| 20:27.21 | benJIman | they're keyboard shortcuts, means you can navigate web pages without using mouse |
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| 20:28.07 | GraveDigger | benJIman: dude? may i have a look at your xorg.conf? i'd like to have an example for a working twinview setup |
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| 20:28.22 | benJIman | GraveDigger: I wrote a tutorial on it |
| 20:28.29 | GraveDigger | oh great! |
| 20:28.33 | GraveDigger | where is it? |
| 20:28.42 | benJIman | http://susewiki.apanela.com/tutorials:twinview |
| 20:30.02 | df00z | brb |
| 20:30.24 | mattepiu | is this channel to talk with some developer/project managers of KDE or I need to join another channel? |
| 20:31.32 | StevenR | mattepiu: might try #kde-devel for development related questions |
| 20:33.15 | Aronofsky | anyone here that uses kxdocker ? |
| 20:33.36 | benJIman | nuonguy: there's a config file, I think it might be in the faq |
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| 20:35.49 | benJIman | nuonguy: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1569 |
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| 20:38.51 | nuonguy | benJIman: thanks for the link! |
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| 20:39.47 | benJIman | nuonguy: it is a very useful feature, but would be best to be a two-key shortcut |
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| 20:43.58 | GraveDigger | benJIman: hmmmmmmmmmmmm, that looks good |
| 20:44.00 | GraveDigger | benJIman: thank you |
| 20:44.01 | GraveDigger | :D |
| 20:44.19 | benJIman | you're welcome |
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| 20:48.07 | caffei | mattepiu, #kde-devel perhaps |
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| 20:52.33 | Aronofsky | is there really anyone here that uses or ever used kxdocker or equivalent ? |
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| 20:57.31 | xglwanter | hello folks |
| 20:57.47 | GraveDigger | lol |
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| 20:58.02 | xglwanter | how can i add a sensor to ksysguard? |
| 20:58.29 | GraveDigger | xglwanter: what kind of sensor? |
| 20:58.33 | GraveDigger | xglwanter: hardware sensors? |
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| 20:58.47 | xglwanter | GraveDigger: for example net traffic |
| 20:58.50 | GraveDigger | xglwanter: they require lm_sensors to be running |
| 20:59.01 | GraveDigger | xglwanter: erm, via drag and drop |
| 20:59.23 | xglwanter | GraveDigger: well, from where? |
| 20:59.35 | GraveDigger | from the list of sensors in the program |
| 21:00.06 | xglwanter | i think that's the problm i've read at the man of that list but i don't find it |
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| 21:00.17 | GraveDigger | ? |
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| 21:00.40 | GraveDigger | erm, if you run ksysguard, isn that main program visible enough then? |
| 21:00.43 | GraveDigger | *isnt |
| 21:00.49 | Baldomero | hello, is there any way to interact with kde window manager? I would like to extend keyboard control on kde |
| 21:01.23 | xglwanter | GraveDigger: i've checked all the options at all the menus an don't find that list , there is any way to open it? |
| 21:01.46 | GraveDigger | ???? |
| 21:01.53 | Baldomero | any language which I can use to communicate with kde window manager and its components |
| 21:02.11 | GraveDigger | xglwanter: open ksysguard |
| 21:02.31 | GraveDigger | xglwanter: on the left there is the sensor browser |
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| 21:03.24 | df00z | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107690 |
| 21:03.34 | df00z | I updated this, it doesnt seem to be as bad with a GF4MX 440 I have |
| 21:03.46 | GraveDigger | xglwanter: from there you drag sensors to the right side of ksysguard into the sensor docks |
| 21:04.08 | xglwanter | GraveDigger: i've found it, the list was completely hiden by te bar |
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| 21:04.40 | GraveDigger | xglwanter: by what bar? |
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| 21:05.17 | xglwanter | GraveDigger: thanks, it was hidden the list by a bar that separates from the main part ow window |
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| 21:05.44 | GraveDigger | xglwanter: alright... a little hint: you may also drag the sensors into the ksysguard kicker applet |
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| 21:06.20 | GraveDigger | xglwanter: it is also possible to watch sensors from other computers ... but that's another topic |
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| 21:07.33 | xglwanter | GraveDigger: yeah yeah , i know but my problem was much more simply, thank you very much |
| 21:07.43 | GraveDigger | lol |
| 21:07.46 | GraveDigger | u'r welcome :) |
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| 21:18.38 | GraveDigger | benJIman: holy shit! i now *really* understand those metamodes |
| 21:18.46 | GraveDigger | benJIman: damn, they're great! |
| 21:18.47 | GraveDigger | oO |
| 21:20.14 | df00z | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107690 |
| 21:20.27 | df00z | What would cause font antialiasing to be slow w/ kwrite but not w/ kedit |
| 21:20.36 | BlackBsd | what is orbit?? in linux mean |
| 21:20.53 | GraveDigger | benJIman: erm, is it possible to set *negative* offsets? i never tried that in any way |
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| 21:21.26 | benJIman | GraveDigger: I think so |
| 21:21.35 | benJIman | try it and see |
| 21:22.10 | GraveDigger | k |
| 21:22.31 | caffei | BlackBsd, http://www.gnome.org/projects/ORBit2/ |
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| 21:24.40 | BlackBsd | thanks, caffei |
| 21:24.50 | caffei | np |
| 21:26.23 | Blissex | df00z: perhaps they select a different font... rendering large fonts can be slow. |
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| 21:27.08 | benJIman | df00z: different fonts and the fact that kwrite has todo lots more, kedit doesn't do much |
| 21:27.14 | Blissex | df00z: bug reporting is not meant as a support resource. What you reported is not a bug. |
| 21:27.41 | benJIman | and it's a X/Nvidia driver bug not kde |
| 21:27.47 | Blissex | df00z: «Antialiased font rendering in almost all KDE applications has slowed down tremendously» is almost certainly due to the RENDER extension not being enabled. |
| 21:28.09 | benJIman | Blissex: nvidia drivers since 6629 have been very slow rendering antialiased fonts on kde |
| 21:28.18 | df00z | ... |
| 21:28.20 | mobtek | benJIman: correct |
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| 21:28.24 | df00z | It's only slow in some KDE programs |
| 21:28.24 | mobtek | it is an nvidia bug |
| 21:28.29 | Blissex | benJIman: bizarre... |
| 21:28.31 | df00z | I have renderaccell enabled |
| 21:28.35 | df00z | If it was a nvidia bug |
| 21:28.43 | df00z | that wouldn't explain it being slow in _SOME_ programs |
| 21:28.48 | df00z | kedit vs kwrite |
| 21:28.48 | benJIman | Blissex: it's like without renderaccel enabled on 6629and before |
| 21:28.57 | benJIman | df00z: kedit doesn't do much at all and may be using a different font |
| 21:28.59 | caffei | df00z, 'xdpyinfo |grep RENDER' <-- The RENDER extension != RenderAccel |
| 21:29.10 | df00z | I enabled renderaccel explicitly |
| 21:29.13 | df00z | in my xorg conf |
| 21:29.18 | GraveDigger | benJIman: *sigh* as expected... the second display is turned off |
| 21:29.19 | GraveDigger | :( |
| 21:29.21 | benJIman | caffei: the point is renderaccel doesn't work properly since 6629, nvidia people know this as people have been complaining for months |
| 21:29.23 | GraveDigger | and stays off |
| 21:29.39 | caffei | benJIman, well, it's not a problem here and never has been (fx card) |
| 21:29.50 | df00z | I think you're lying >:| lol |
| 21:29.55 | benJIman | caffei: perhaps only certain boards, affects me 5900xt |
| 21:29.58 | df00z | open up a _LARGE_ text file in kedit, vs kwrite |
| 21:30.04 | df00z | and drag the scrollbar as fast as possible |
| 21:30.11 | df00z | up and down with the mouse not scrollwheel |
| 21:30.12 | benJIman | df00z: you'll notice it more on lots of small text all antialiased |
| 21:30.16 | df00z | open up a top, CPU usage |
| 21:30.21 | df00z | benj: same font, size16 arial |
| 21:30.35 | benJIman | df00z: do size 2 and you'll see even more |
| 21:30.52 | df00z | Why does it happen with kwrite |
| 21:30.54 | df00z | but not kedit |
| 21:30.56 | df00z | that is my problem |
| 21:31.05 | df00z | I think it's both a nvidia and KDE problem |
| 21:31.07 | df00z | at this rate |
| 21:31.31 | caffei | df00z, eww, you're right; kedit does act really weird when opening large text files |
| 21:31.38 | df00z | kwrite does |
| 21:31.39 | df00z | not kedit |
| 21:31.44 | df00z | kedit might open them slowly... |
| 21:31.49 | df00z | but it scrolls better |
| 21:32.11 | caffei | kedit takes a while to load a 6MB file |
| 21:32.17 | df00z | Ah |
| 21:32.20 | df00z | well, either or |
| 21:32.25 | df00z | Scroll up and down |
| 21:32.29 | df00z | fast, and look at X CPU usage |
| 21:32.35 | df00z | it'll shoot up w/ kwrite, and it's fine w/ kedit |
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| 21:32.58 | caffei | yep, cpu usage does go up a lot, but I'm still not seeing the problem |
| 21:33.07 | caffei | it's not "laggy" |
| 21:33.19 | df00z | You might have a faster computer than I, or, |
| 21:33.23 | df00z | you're not doing it fast enough |
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| 21:33.34 | caffei | df00z, what exactly am I supposed to look for? |
| 21:33.51 | df00z | Ok, take the scrollbar |
| 21:33.59 | df00z | move it up and down fast with your mouse, a lot |
| 21:34.18 | df00z | you'll see the text split and render slowly, and high X cpu usage |
| 21:34.23 | df00z | vs kedit will be fine |
| 21:34.47 | caffei | nope, not seeing it. cpu usage goes way up, but no text splitting or slow rendering |
| 21:35.00 | df00z | Which is higher, kate, or kedit? |
| 21:35.05 | df00z | Maybe your PC is fast enough |
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| 21:35.19 | caffei | p4 2.53, not exactly the latest thing |
| 21:35.20 | JohnFlux | How do I send a file via infrared? |
| 21:35.32 | df00z | newer than mine |
| 21:35.33 | caffei | df00z, lemme check... waiting for kedit to load the file again |
| 21:35.41 | benJIman | ensure you have antialiased fonts for all font sizes and a window full of text at size 2 caffei |
| 21:35.52 | df00z | Ok, do that |
| 21:35.55 | df00z | if you wanna be overkill |
| 21:35.55 | caffei | benJIman, size TWO? o_O |
| 21:35.55 | df00z | lol |
| 21:35.57 | visik7 | how can I keep kontact open without kmail ? |
| 21:36.03 | df00z | Yeah, it will stress XFT |
| 21:36.19 | df00z | you will most definatly see the diff between kedit and kwrite then |
| 21:36.28 | benJIman | caffei: it just makes the problem more visible |
| 21:36.40 | EvilGuru | are there any plans for kate to support code folding on case <item>: statements |
| 21:36.41 | df00z | actually |
| 21:36.43 | benJIman | with a fast cpu it's less visible normally |
| 21:36.43 | df00z | other way around |
| 21:36.47 | df00z | makes it LESS visible for me |
| 21:36.47 | df00z | lol |
| 21:36.53 | caffei | df00z, about the same cpu usage, I think -- kedit seems to be a bit more inefficient than kwrite, though |
| 21:36.59 | sena | key |
| 21:37.01 | benJIman | df00z: you may have antialiasing disable for small fonts |
| 21:37.13 | df00z | I dont |
| 21:37.22 | df00z | caffei: try size 40+ fonts |
| 21:37.22 | benJIman | are you sure, it might be set up by default |
| 21:37.24 | sena | hey |
| 21:37.26 | caffei | benJIman, alright, I made the fonts really small, and I'm still not seeing the prob |
| 21:37.28 | df00z | benJIman: yeah, i changed it |
| 21:37.33 | df00z | caffei try big |
| 21:37.34 | benJIman | df00z: larger fonts are much quicker to render, less calculations |
| 21:37.39 | df00z | in both kedit and kwrite |
| 21:37.40 | caffei | df00z, still no prob |
| 21:37.49 | benJIman | caffei: sounds like not affecting you, what version of X are you using out of interest? |
| 21:37.52 | df00z | caffei: scroll up and down fast.. |
| 21:37.54 | caffei | hm, no text size scaling in kedit |
| 21:38.03 | df00z | yeah there is |
| 21:38.11 | df00z | settings, configure kedit |
| 21:38.11 | df00z | font |
| 21:38.16 | caffei | ii xserver-xorg 7.0.0-0ubuntu17 the X.Org X server |
| 21:38.27 | df00z | I'm on 7.0 now too |
| 21:38.29 | df00z | tried updating to that |
| 21:38.33 | df00z | Also, what version of KDE? |
| 21:38.33 | benJIman | caffei: it's supposedly fixed with xorg 7 |
| 21:38.42 | benJIman | or 6.9 |
| 21:38.44 | df00z | benJ: its not, no effect here >:| |
| 21:38.52 | benJIman | but still happening here |
| 21:38.59 | caffei | df00z, do you have the RENDER extension enabled? RenderAccel probably won't work without that being enabled. Like I said, run 'xdpyinfo |grep RENDER' |
| 21:39.08 | benJIman | caffei: render is enabled by default |
| 21:39.12 | benJIman | since 6.8 |
| 21:39.13 | caffei | benJIman, ah, ok |
| 21:39.44 | df00z | caffei: i find it so hard to believe this doesn't affect you.. |
| 21:39.50 | caffei | also I'm using a CRT here, if that matters |
| 21:39.52 | df00z | large fonts in both editors, AA is working? |
| 21:39.58 | df00z | if you're using a bitmap font it wont work |
| 21:40.08 | benJIman | df00z: everywhere i've seen it mention it seems to only affect some peopl |
| 21:40.11 | caffei | df00z, large, small, normal size, it doesn't matter -- truetype fonts |
| 21:40.22 | benJIman | df00z: but people have been talking about this for months even years and nvidia have done nothing |
| 21:40.35 | caffei | benJIman, kinda like the Xid problem ;^) |
| 21:40.37 | df00z | thats because it doesnt make sense |
| 21:40.40 | df00z | the Xid problem is fixed |
| 21:40.52 | caffei | hmm, it wasn't when I checked last |
| 21:40.52 | benJIman | caffei: which ones' that, the wrong ids reported for twinview? |
| 21:40.55 | df00z | why is kedit fine, and kwrite not? |
| 21:41.04 | df00z | benj: a bug that causes X to totally lock up |
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| 21:41.16 | caffei | benJIman, it's a problem with nvidia's driver freezing X |
| 21:41.16 | df00z | benj: you'll see something like Xid blah blah in dmesg, and x will be locked |
| 21:41.17 | Blissex | benJIman: I suspect that is because RENDER accel has often been somewhat buggy and probably NVIDIA just decided to disable part/all of it in some cases to avoid the problems... |
| 21:41.36 | df00z | Can anyone explain why kedit is fine :( |
| 21:41.39 | df00z | this is driving me insane |
| 21:41.43 | df00z | god... |
| 21:41.44 | Blissex | df00z: ahhhhh the famous Xid bug. |
| 21:41.50 | caffei | df00z, I'm still able to reproduce the issue on my box when doing a certain thing (which I now avoid doing) |
| 21:41.52 | benJIman | df00z: you're sure both are using AA ? |
| 21:41.55 | df00z | im about to recompile everything with debugging and profiling enabled |
| 21:42.00 | df00z | and rip out oprofile |
| 21:42.05 | df00z | fjldajgf this will take hours |
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| 21:42.26 | caffei | df00z, oddly enough, what I was doing to cause the Xid freeze was scrolling too fast in xqf :D |
| 21:42.37 | caffei | (whine a 3D game is running in a window) |
| 21:42.37 | Blissex | df00z: the Xid bug is legendary. Also because it is triggered only in some cases and not others. |
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| 21:42.39 | caffei | *while |
| 21:42.42 | df00z | Yeah |
| 21:42.51 | df00z | it only happened to me w/ renderaccell enabled last version |
| 21:42.51 | Egyptian[Home] | hi .. my screensaver no longer starts automatically .. it only kicks in if i lock the session first .. can someone pls. help? |
| 21:42.52 | GraveDigger | benJIman: damn, could you please help me? i have now followed your tutorial, but still the secon screen stays off. in the Xorg.0.log there are some warning messages like: |
| 21:42.56 | df00z | it seems to be fixed here |
| 21:42.59 | GraveDigger | (WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to find mode "800x600" for display device 1 in MetaMode |
| 21:43.01 | GraveDigger | benJIman: ^^ |
| 21:43.32 | benJIman | GraveDigger: pastebin your xorg.conf and i'll have a look |
| 21:43.39 | Blissex | Egyptian[Home]: have you looked at the screensaver settings? As in trying to switch them off and then on again... |
| 21:43.59 | caffei | df00z, well, regardless, these issues apparently aren't related to KDE ;^) |
| 21:44.28 | Egyptian[Home] | Blissex: ok .. give me a min for it to kick in |
| 21:45.11 | GraveDigger | benJIman: http://phpfi.com/107705 |
| 21:45.30 | df00z | caffei: they would be if kedit is fine and kwrite isnt |
| 21:46.08 | benJIman | df00z: not a kde issue, because with 6629 and earlier drivers the problem didn't exist |
| 21:46.12 | benJIman | and with non-nvidia drivers it's fine |
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| 21:47.10 | df00z | benJIman: well, still, kwrite can be doing something its not supposed to |
| 21:47.22 | df00z | perhaps rendering the font more times than kedit is, it's perhaps being inefficient |
| 21:47.30 | Egyptian[Home] | Blissex: dint work |
| 21:47.45 | benJIman | GraveDigger: i'd guess it might be because you don't have a section modes, what distro are you using? |
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| 21:48.58 | caffei | df00z, do you have a CRT or LCD display? |
| 21:49.05 | df00z | LCD |
| 21:49.05 | GraveDigger | benJIman: using suse, but i have written that config myself |
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| 21:49.25 | caffei | ah, CRT here. subpixel is currently off but I've turned it on before with no ill effects (other than weird colors) |
| 21:49.30 | benJIman | GraveDigger: move the xorg.conf somewhere else and let sax2 generate you a proper one |
| 21:49.35 | GraveDigger | benJIman: and well... i never needed a special section "modes" as i always entered the modelines in the monitor sections |
| 21:49.41 | GraveDigger | OMG |
| 21:49.43 | GraveDigger | k |
| 21:49.55 | benJIman | sax2 will make you a nice xorg.conf |
| 21:50.06 | GraveDigger | well |
| 21:50.25 | benJIman | then copy the bits you need back in |
| 21:50.40 | benJIman | sax2 can also trivially make you dozens of modes |
| 21:51.04 | benJIman | and metamodes will be able to find them if they're in the section modes |
| 21:51.35 | GraveDigger | the last xorg.conf sax2 generated for me was ugly crap |
| 21:54.08 | df00z | caffei: what version of QT and KDE? |
| 21:54.29 | benJIman | df00z: it also affects Qt4 less but still is there |
| 21:55.34 | visik7 | when I close kontact with the akregator module load it close all and not just reduce to tray like the standard behaviour of akregator |
| 21:55.41 | df00z | caffei: any idea? hm |
| 21:56.04 | df00z | benJIman: wait, can KDE 3.5.x use QT 4.x? |
| 21:56.15 | tstaerk | visik7, works as designed. |
| 21:56.17 | caffei | df00z, KDE 3.5.1 and Qt3 3.3.5 (both Ubuntu dapper's latest) |
| 21:56.23 | caffei | df00z, nope |
| 21:56.34 | df00z | Hm |
| 21:56.45 | df00z | im on qt 3.3.4-48...hmmm... |
| 21:57.08 | visik7 | tstaerk: so why if I enable the tray of kmail it reduce to tray ? |
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| 21:57.37 | GraveDigger | benJIman: that's strange! from how does that setup know where the modes are for the second screen? |
| 21:57.46 | visik7 | the question is: why with kmail yes while with akregator no ? |
| 21:57.46 | GraveDigger | there is no reference to modes section |
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| 22:03.44 | ryanakca | where are cursors installed to? |
| 22:04.55 | GraveDigger | benJIman: anyways: altho the sax xorg.config suxx, it works |
| 22:05.00 | GraveDigger | benJIman: so thanks again dude |
| 22:05.01 | GraveDigger | :) |
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| 22:05.29 | GraveDigger | benJIman: tomorrow i will figure out how to properly setup mine and get all the options required into it :) |
| 22:05.41 | GraveDigger | benJIman: btw: glx now works on both displays :D |
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| 22:13.07 | xbeanx | Anybody know the command to start the kicker config? |
| 22:14.23 | xbeanx | I know its kcmshell something |
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| 22:18.14 | benJIman | GraveDigger: what's wrong with sax2 config? they're great |
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| 22:19.27 | GraveDigger | benJIman: they look ugly |
| 22:19.45 | GraveDigger | benJIman: besides they do in no way know about x11-input-evdev |
| 22:19.58 | benJIman | evdev doesn't work for me |
| 22:20.07 | benJIman | at least I can't get it to work with my mouse (mx700) |
| 22:20.15 | GraveDigger | oh |
| 22:20.17 | benJIman | I just use explorerps2 with imwheel to control the additional buttons |
| 22:20.25 | GraveDigger | i have had evdev up and running great with my mx700 |
| 22:20.26 | GraveDigger | ! |
| 22:20.33 | GraveDigger | yeah |
| 22:20.35 | benJIman | GraveDigger: how do you control what the side buttons do? |
| 22:20.40 | GraveDigger | i am using evdev with imwheel |
| 22:20.45 | GraveDigger | ^^ |
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| 22:20.52 | benJIman | hmm wel explorerps2 does just fine too |
| 22:20.58 | GraveDigger | no, it sucks |
| 22:21.01 | benJIman | why? |
| 22:21.06 | benJIman | what can evdev do better? |
| 22:21.07 | GraveDigger | it sucks at icculus quake3 engine |
| 22:21.17 | benJIman | what sucks |
| 22:21.19 | GraveDigger | there are no more buttons than the "5" defaults available |
| 22:21.25 | Ayoze | one question, I have khotkeys, where could I configure my keyboard's multimedia keys? |
| 22:21.28 | GraveDigger | with evdev all 12 are usable |
| 22:21.41 | GraveDigger | it sucks with quake4 either |
| 22:21.42 | benJIman | I see, hmm I don't use the extra buttons in games |
| 22:21.55 | GraveDigger | evdev lets me use all buttons then, too |
| 22:22.14 | GraveDigger | besides that, on my G5 laser mouse, evdev is capable of switching the mouse resolution via software |
| 22:22.19 | GraveDigger | explorerps2 does a shit about that |
| 22:22.20 | GraveDigger | ! |
| 22:22.46 | benJIman | you can with explorerps2 |
| 22:22.59 | benJIman | kde is quite able to with the mx500 for example |
| 22:23.19 | GraveDigger | well, last but not least: evdev is capable of using my joystick correctly and even fully supports force feedback... i wish there were force feedback games for linux out there |
| 22:23.23 | GraveDigger | :( |
| 22:23.25 | alexissoft | the have broken the svn |
| 22:23.36 | alexissoft | with these ***** build system |
| 22:23.41 | alexissoft | s/these/their/ |
| 22:23.45 | dipnlik | alexissoft: what happened? |
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| 22:23.49 | Ayoze | hi all |
| 22:23.50 | Ayoze | one question, I have khotkeys, where could I configure my keyboard's multimedia keys? |
| 22:23.56 | alexissoft | dipnlik, everything is built |
| 22:24.01 | xbeanx | Ayoze: what kind of keyboard is it? |
| 22:24.02 | alexissoft | without libkcm_kpilot.la |
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| 22:24.17 | alexissoft | which is mandatory to use the config boxes, and to configure kpilot |
| 22:24.21 | dipnlik | alexissoft: i mean, i'm planning to get a treo and if you say kpilot is sh*tty, i get worried |
| 22:24.25 | df00z | What on earth is libfb..hm |
| 22:24.28 | df00z | k did a profile |
| 22:24.32 | alexissoft | dipnlik, kpilot is ok |
| 22:24.35 | Ayoze | xbeanx: a multimedia one... creative, wireless.. |
| 22:24.36 | alexissoft | i've discovered some bugs |
| 22:24.37 | xbeanx | Ayoze: I had a dell laptop that I could configure under the keyboard layout section of kcontrol.. |
| 22:24.41 | alexissoft | i wanted to fix them |
| 22:24.49 | xbeanx | Ayoze: perhaps your keyboard will be listed there too |
| 22:24.55 | Ayoze | ok |
| 22:25.14 | GraveDigger | benJIman: anyways: have thanks again for your help and that tutorial |
| 22:25.17 | GraveDigger | benJIman: :) |
| 22:25.20 | xbeanx | Ayoze: click "enable keyboard layouts" and then see if its under the keyboard model dropdown |
| 22:25.35 | alexissoft | but i'm unable to build the svn, they have switched to a uncommon build system : a-a-p |
| 22:25.39 | benJIman | no problem, i'll have to look at evdev again when i'm less lazy or when sax2 decides to configure it for me :) |
| 22:25.53 | alexissoft | and they forgot this lib |
| 22:25.55 | GraveDigger | benJIman: well, u still have the link to my xorg.conf |
| 22:26.06 | GraveDigger | benJIman: the mouse is configured with evdev in there |
| 22:26.10 | GraveDigger | benJIman: its easy as hell |
| 22:26.11 | GraveDigger | ! |
| 22:26.15 | main | can anyone help me, i need to time loading times for graphical apps, like firefox, for example |
| 22:26.18 | Ayoze | xbeanx: no :( |
| 22:26.25 | main | but time utility wont help, because the browser doesnt quit right away |
| 22:26.27 | GraveDigger | hell and easy? i dont know ... but u got me i suppose |
| 22:26.28 | GraveDigger | -.- |
| 22:27.10 | benJIman | GraveDigger: mine works now :) |
| 22:27.16 | benJIman | GraveDigger: not much reason for me to change |
| 22:27.32 | GraveDigger | benJIman: k |
| 22:27.33 | benJIman | main: hit control-c as soon as it is visible |
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| 22:28.14 | xbeanx | Ayoze: maybe a google search will show up something.. there's also a X command that shows what keys you are hitting. maybe that would help (sorry, can't remember the name) |
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| 22:28.25 | main | it steals focus, benJIman |
| 22:28.31 | main | otherwise i wouldve done that |
| 22:28.34 | Ayoze | xbeanx: thanks :) |
| 22:28.49 | kelvie_ | On a lot of KDE menus, underlined letters (to represent shortcuts) how have '(!)' before them.. how do I turn this 'feature' off? |
| 22:28.49 | benJIman | main: set the window to always on top |
| 22:29.16 | main | that doesnt prevent focus stealing, benJIman |
| 22:29.19 | xbeanx | Ayoze: if you try to map one of the keys as a shortcut is it recognized? Many of those keyboards show up as F13, F15, etc. when you hit the multimedia keys |
| 22:29.22 | main | it just stays on top, but becomes inactive |
| 22:29.23 | main | thats the prob |
| 22:29.35 | benJIman | main so you have to click and control-c, it's quite quick |
| 22:29.35 | Ayoze | xbeanx: but... how? |
| 22:29.44 | main | i dunno |
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| 22:29.49 | main | no automatic way, benJIman ? |
| 22:29.58 | benJIman | don't know |
| 22:30.24 | xbeanx | Ayoze: open kde control panel, then under accessability->keyboard shortcuts try to map a key to something that's not mapped yet. |
| 22:30.38 | knewb | when i shutdown suse 10 w/ kde3.5.1, the kicker hangs |
| 22:30.58 | knewb | anyone have a fix for that? |
| 22:31.04 | Ayoze | xbeanx: nah, I push a key and nothin happens |
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| 22:31.56 | xbeanx | Ayoze: aww.. well google may show something |
| 22:31.56 | Ayoze | yeah, thanks |
| 22:31.59 | Ayoze | :) |
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| 22:32.42 | nzx_ | hey, what program in kde binds fn+key combinations ? |
| 22:32.50 | dustin_ | KDE has [once again] gotten locked somehow in Drag&Drop mode, and i can't escape it. Any ideas? My cursor shows a NO-symbol and a dithered gray box. |
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| 22:32.55 | dpy | hi guys |
| 22:33.07 | dpy | does anyone know of a dedicated ksirc channel ? |
| 22:33.30 | nzx_ | dustin_, restart xserver, crtl+alt+backspace,backspace |
| 22:33.31 | main | use konversation :) |
| 22:34.00 | dipnlik | use irssi :P |
| 22:34.07 | dpy | well I want an IRC client (no instant messenger) that looks like this: http://www.vapor.com/screens/amirc_2.gif |
| 22:34.10 | dustin_ | nzx_ No way to get out of it without killing X? Argh >< |
| 22:34.28 | dpy | the layout should be exactly the same |
| 22:34.35 | nzx_ | dustin_, um, try alt+f2 |
| 22:34.42 | nzx_ | dustin_, then run xkill |
| 22:34.47 | pinotree | dpy: have you ever tried komversation? |
| 22:34.49 | dpy | xchat is no longer using this layout (they switched to mIRC look alike) |
| 22:34.52 | pinotree | konversation, sorry |
| 22:34.57 | dpy | pinotree: no |
| 22:35.00 | nzx_ | dustin_, and click on the windows that are not responding, to close them, ite do the trick |
| 22:35.01 | pinotree | try it |
| 22:35.02 | dpy | does it look that way ? |
| 22:35.09 | main | dpy, you are a daytrader? |
| 22:35.16 | dpy | a what ? |
| 22:35.22 | main | nevermind |
| 22:35.25 | main | use kvirc |
| 22:35.30 | main | it looks very similar |
| 22:35.32 | dpy | kvirc sucks |
| 22:35.35 | mobtek | dpy: why? thats ugly as sin |
| 22:35.36 | dpy | it looks like virc |
| 22:35.37 | main | but it looks similar. |
| 22:35.42 | mobtek | go konvi! :P |
| 22:35.44 | dpy | and virc does not look like AmIRC |
| 22:35.46 | nzx_ | i use xchat |
| 22:35.48 | dustin_ | nzx_ Eh, too late now, i'm stuck in "End current session?" mode and can't escape with the keyboard for want of the mouse. Thanks though |
| 22:36.01 | dpy | xchat now looks like: http://www.dwarfhouse.org/mtoele/messedupxchat.png |
| 22:36.08 | dpy | this is horrible |
| 22:36.31 | main | whats bad about this? |
| 22:36.43 | dpy | the layout is messed up at the top |
| 22:36.44 | mobtek | xchat is almost up there with kvirc for feature bloat :P |
| 22:36.55 | nzx_ | bitchx is good also |
| 22:37.01 | pinotree | dpy: konversation.kde.or |
| 22:37.02 | pinotree | g |
| 22:37.02 | dpy | compare with this: http://www.vapor.com/screens/amirc_2.gif, http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8832/xchataquascreensnapz0012ny.jpg |
| 22:37.11 | main | did u try konversation. |
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| 22:37.45 | Sho_ | Any questions about Konvi that need answering? :-) |
| 22:38.12 | dpy | ok |
| 22:38.16 | nzx_ | i would like to know how i can config my fn keys |
| 22:38.18 | dpy | I'll try konversation first now |
| 22:38.23 | dpy | but expect comments |
| 22:38.25 | xbeanx | Anyone know the kcmshell command to open the kicker config app? |
| 22:38.32 | dpy | because I know exactly what I am looking for |
| 22:38.35 | Sho_ | dpy: sure, we like feedback |
| 22:38.38 | main | dpy, why dont you just use the client you showed us? |
| 22:39.04 | dpy | (actually I am looking for xchat 2.0.4, but apparantly that needs an older version of gnome and kde depends on the latest gnome |
| 22:39.05 | main | also, it was very ugly :) |
| 22:39.22 | main | you can try to run mirc in wine, that would probably look very similar :) |
| 22:39.31 | dpy | AmIRC is for amigaOS |
| 22:39.49 | main | try mIRC then, the one for windows:) |
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| 22:39.54 | main | it looks similar. |
| 22:40.01 | main | very similar, id say |
| 22:40.19 | dpy | no mIRC looks very differently |
| 22:40.19 | main | except for icons, etc. but im sure there are scripts that do that. |
| 22:40.28 | dpy | they messed up xchat to look like mIRC |
| 22:40.31 | main | barebone client looks differently, yes, with scripts you can adjust that. |
| 22:40.31 | dpy | that's the whole problem |
| 22:40.45 | dpy | K. Mardam Bey doesn't know anything about GUI design |
| 22:40.54 | dpy | Apple knows about GUI design |
| 22:41.02 | main | whats apples irc client? |
| 22:41.10 | dpy | and KDE is learning it |
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| 22:43.44 | mobtek | main: irssi :P |
| 22:44.19 | mtoele | ok |
| 22:44.53 | dpy2 | I have two questions |
| 22:45.02 | main | irssi is good, actually |
| 22:45.07 | main | i used it for years:) |
| 22:45.21 | dpy2 | irssi, isn't that console irc ? |
| 22:45.24 | Sho_ | we like irssi over at the Konvi camp |
| 22:45.32 | main | once u remember the shortcuts, its really easy |
| 22:45.37 | main | yes, it is console |
| 22:45.51 | Sho_ | you can actually open irssi in konvi using a konsole tab |
| 22:45.52 | Sho_ | *giggles* |
| 22:46.00 | dipnlik | LOL |
| 22:46.03 | main | thats the proper way to irc. |
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| 22:46.37 | dpy2 | ahhh |
| 22:46.39 | dpy2 | thank god |
| 22:46.44 | dpy2 | this looks much better |
| 22:47.00 | mobtek | Sho_: kekeke noice |
| 22:47.09 | dpy2 | now all I need is a way to have the topic look like a textfield |
| 22:47.16 | Sho_ | mobtek: ugh .. :) |
| 22:47.22 | Sho_ | dpy2: you can't :) |
| 22:47.30 | dpy2 | not ? |
| 22:47.31 | mobtek | keke dpy2 you know that change is a good thing sometimes :) |
| 22:47.32 | dpy2 | damn |
| 22:47.48 | dpy2 | any other background color then? |
| 22:47.50 | Sho_ | dpy2: well of course you could edit the source ;) |
| 22:47.59 | dpy2 | it now has brushed metal background |
| 22:48.05 | dpy2 | it makes for a messy appearance |
| 22:48.09 | Sho_ | dpy2: ah, I see how that could be a problem |
| 22:48.35 | Sho_ | dpy2: but then the pseudo-apple styles for KDE all suck horribly, so I won't support them while designing UI, sorry |
| 22:48.48 | dpy2 | also, it now seems as if the menu bar extends into the topic, because there is no separation line between them |
| 22:49.16 | dpy2 | that's the most important thing to notice about the topic |
| 22:49.17 | main | baghira is pretty cool, Sho |
| 22:49.18 | Sho_ | dpy2: That's another problem of the style you're using, then |
| 22:49.28 | dpy2 | that it is hard to distinguish the topic from the menubar |
| 22:49.42 | main | disable the menu bar:) |
| 22:49.48 | dpy2 | I use baghira yes |
| 22:49.55 | dpy2 | baghira is the best kstyle |
| 22:49.57 | Sho_ | dpy2: Plastik and just about any other style frame the tab widget, and Plastik even draws a seperator below the menu bar |
| 22:50.15 | Sho_ | dpy2: "Bagira" and these other styles really have loads of problems with bevels and frames |
| 22:50.21 | main | baghira is not the best:) |
| 22:50.30 | dpy2 | Sho_: I don't think your app should rely on a particular style, you should take control |
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| 22:50.32 | main | why do you use linux, with a fake style? |
| 22:50.36 | main | use the real stuff |
| 22:50.38 | Sho_ | baghira is an ugly hack, IMHO |
| 22:50.45 | main | after all, osx is really a bsd system:) |
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| 22:50.55 | Sho_ | I don't blame the author however, some things are just not possible with the style system as it works now I guess |
| 22:51.04 | Sho_ | main: not really |
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| 22:51.39 | main | well, of course its not identical:) |
| 22:51.53 | nzx_ | http://nzx.mooo.com/Untitled.gif <-- can someone tell me what program this is ? |
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| 22:52.45 | main | gimp :) ? |
| 22:52.45 | dpy2 | Sho_: does konversation have a nick/chat separator ruler/bar ? |
| 22:53.07 | mobtek | eww dpy2 I hope not :P |
| 22:53.09 | benJIman | those are really annoying, especially when people do |
| 22:53.14 | nzx_ | main, the program thats circled in red |
| 22:53.21 | main | nzx, no clue |
| 22:53.24 | Sho_ | dpy2: There's a tiler between the chat area and the nick list, yes |
| 22:53.24 | benJIman|reallyr | hmm freenode doesn't let long nicks |
| 22:53.47 | dpy2 | Sho: no I mean between the <Nick> and what he says |
| 22:53.53 | nzx_ | main, me neither, its catching my fn keys, and i'd like to change it |
| 22:54.09 | dpy2 | no there is a ragged left |
| 22:54.12 | dpy2 | no alignment |
| 22:54.12 | Sho_ | dpy2: Oh. No, not yet. |
| 22:54.19 | main | nzx, ps -aux :) ? |
| 22:54.25 | benJIman | Sho_: it's a really bad idea imo |
| 22:54.34 | benJIman | people with long nicks break it horribly |
| 22:54.41 | nzx_ | main, but i have no idea what it is called |
| 22:54.50 | dpy2 | Sho: how do I set the history to unlimited ? |
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| 22:55.09 | dec0ding_ | what are those screenshots that look as KDE is started with XGL...are they real? |
| 22:55.14 | Sho_ | benJIman: Well when we do implement it we'll make it an option |
| 22:55.26 | Sho_ | benJIman: Actually the current thinking is to move to an XHTML-based theming system |
| 22:55.30 | Sho_ | dpy2: set it to 0 |
| 22:55.30 | benJIman | dec0ding_: you can quite easily |
| 22:55.32 | alexissoft | nzx_, it think it's KDE |
| 22:55.35 | arrinmurr | dec0ding_: why wouldn't they be real? |
| 22:55.45 | alexissoft | i had this with volume keys |
| 22:55.50 | benJIman | Sho_: could slow it down quite a lot, try using kopete on busy irc channels |
| 22:55.51 | main | nzx_: look in your global hotkeys |
| 22:55.52 | dec0ding_ | arrinmurr I was said that there isn't support for KDE of XGL |
| 22:55.52 | alexissoft | so i changed the key value in keymaps |
| 22:56.00 | dec0ding_ | benJIman any howto on how to make it work ? |
| 22:56.01 | alexissoft | but it was so strange ! |
| 22:56.10 | benJIman | dec0ding_: there are instructions on the opensuse.org/xgl |
| 22:56.13 | Sho_ | benJIman: Not to mention memory usage |
| 22:56.15 | nzx_ | main, how do i do that? |
| 22:56.16 | benJIman | Sho_: indeed |
| 22:56.24 | alexissoft | nzx_, in K => Control center |
| 22:56.31 | alexissoft | hmm |
| 22:56.33 | Sho_ | benJIman: We've got a KHTML-based prototype branch, we'll see how things develop |
| 22:56.36 | alexissoft | no i can't help |
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| 22:56.38 | alexissoft | :) |
| 22:56.40 | benJIman | Sho_: leave kopete in busy channel for 24hrs and you need to restart |
| 22:56.42 | alexissoft | (i've a french interface) |
| 22:56.43 | dec0ding_ | benJIman those would apply on both kde and gnome? |
| 22:56.49 | benJIman | dec0ding_: yes |
| 22:56.51 | alexissoft | (and the ubuntu kdesktop) |
| 22:56.57 | Sho_ | benJIman: Basically we're abusing QTextBrowser beyond its design limitations already, and KHTML is a bit too huge ... it's tough |
| 22:56.58 | main | open control center, nzx |
| 22:56.58 | arrinmurr | dec0ding_: it works with kde, but some things are broken. i guess it still works better with gnome |
| 22:57.02 | main | search for keyboard shortcuts |
| 22:57.07 | main | it might be there |
| 22:57.22 | main | check for the keys that trigger this, see if they are somewhere in there |
| 22:57.22 | benJIman | Sho_: konversation is fast right now though, kopete's never been fast |
| 22:57.23 | nzx_ | main, i'm in keyboard short cuts |
| 22:57.38 | main | search them for those keys |
| 22:57.56 | Sho_ | benJIman: we'd like it to be even faster ... |
| 22:58.25 | nzx_ | main, no fn key |
| 22:58.30 | benJIman | Sho_: xhtml is hardly likely to make it faster |
| 22:58.32 | main | no clue then, nzx |
| 22:59.35 | Sho_ | benJIman: yeah, indeed |
| 22:59.40 | benJIman | of course if you make a nice xhtml themable display which is fast and has low memory usage then maybe kopete can use it too :) |
| 22:59.50 | benJIman | though i'm thinking that's impossible |
| 22:59.50 | dpy2 | Sho: any chance I can get single light indicators next to the nick names ? |
| 23:00.08 | Sho_ | benJIman: But then with the rising complexity of client-side code in web applications, speed is becoming an ever-growing concern for the KHTML guys, too |
| 23:00.24 | Sho_ | benJIman: Basically KHTML is the best thing we have in the toolbox right now for what we want to be able to do |
| 23:00.34 | Sho_ | benJIman: There's no manpower to develop our own engine |
| 23:01.01 | Sho_ | dpy: Go to the themes section in the prefs, "Classic" should float your boat |
| 23:01.02 | main | konvo is using khtml? |
| 23:01.03 | benJIman | Sho_: kopete does allready and you can see how slow it is |
| 23:01.30 | Sho_ | benJIman: Well, I haven't given up on the idea of doing it better than Kopete ... they have some other design demands |
| 23:01.31 | main | konvo is already good enough, why bother? |
| 23:01.33 | dpy2 | Sho: superb |
| 23:01.43 | Sho_ | dpy2: great :) |
| 23:01.57 | Sho_ | main: Well, we want more flexible theming of the chat area |
| 23:02.04 | nzx_ | arrrg!! |
| 23:02.16 | nzx_ | this is really frustrating, i got the fn keys to work, but i cant modify them |
| 23:03.00 | benJIman | Sho_: there's already kopete which does that, i'm using konversation at the moment because kopete's themable view is too slow and uses too much memory, making konversation do the same would not be nice |
| 23:03.15 | Sho_ | benJIman: you're repeating yourself ;) |
| 23:03.24 | dpy2 | ok, guess all I need to know is how to open a new server tab |
| 23:03.37 | dpy2 | and then I'm switching to konversation |
| 23:03.39 | Sho_ | benJIman: to get you to stop worrying: we won't ship anything that's significantly slower than what we have today |
| 23:04.06 | Sho_ | dpy: /server <server>, or connect to a network using the Server List dialog, or use Quick Connect from the File menu |
| 23:04.12 | Sho_ | dpy2: The latter is F7 |
| 23:04.15 | benJIman | I wasn't worrying, just making an observation |
| 23:04.30 | dpy2 | Sho_ won't /server disconnect me ? |
| 23:04.46 | Sho_ | dpy2: no |
| 23:05.04 | dpy2 | wow, how do I switch servers then in the current session ? |
| 23:05.07 | arrinmurr | konversation is a bit slow already :/ |
| 23:05.18 | dpy2 | arrinmurr: buy faster hardware |
| 23:05.37 | dpy2 | I like eyecandy software, just buy faster hardware |
| 23:06.07 | dipnlik | arrinmurr: or try faster software... |
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| 23:06.25 | main | dunno |
| 23:06.27 | dpy2 | Sho_: suppose I'm on a slow server and I just want to hop servers, how do I do this ? |
| 23:06.27 | main | its not slow here |
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| 23:07.34 | Sho_ | arrinmurr: yeah, we want to have it faster, too |
| 23:07.56 | dpy2 | Sho_: I just found a bug btw, I selected: shift left and shift right to switch tabs as hotkeys, it's not working |
| 23:08.01 | arrinmurr | dpy2: well, i don't see much difference between something like konversation and pirch98. yet pirch98 runs fine on very old hardware (yeah, on windows but anyway) |
| 23:08.12 | Sho_ | dpy2: That's actually not a bug |
| 23:08.24 | Sho_ | dpy2: Shift-arrow are hard-coded in the underlying Qt widget to select text |
| 23:08.36 | Sho_ | dpy2: Not much we can do about it (except insane hacks) |
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| 23:08.47 | main | pirch doesnt support many codepages |
| 23:08.54 | mtoele | okay, *that* was a crash |
| 23:09.08 | main | but this is true, software seems to be getting bigger and bigger for no apparent reason :) |
| 23:09.09 | dpy2 | dpy has crashed |
| 23:09.10 | Sho_ | arrinmurr: The problem is really our text display widget, which is a stock Qt/KDE widget that has not been designed with this usage scenario in mind |
| 23:09.32 | main | design a better widget :) |
| 23:09.36 | arrinmurr | main: yeah :/ |
| 23:09.41 | main | or else we are all going to switch to pirc98 :) |
| 23:09.46 | dpy2 | Sho: sure it is a bug, it works in konsole, yakuake, konqueror |
| 23:09.56 | arrinmurr | Sho_: ok |
| 23:10.03 | dpy2 | in kate as well |
| 23:10.03 | arrinmurr | main: but pirch98 doesn't quite work with wine :( |
| 23:10.16 | main | arrinmurr: try xircon |
| 23:10.24 | dpy2 | you have to override the textfield, that interprets it as "select text" |
| 23:10.26 | arrinmurr | main: nah, i don't like it |
| 23:10.28 | main | or maybe even mirc:) |
| 23:10.34 | arrinmurr | main: never :) |
| 23:10.43 | Sho_ | dpy: Konsole and Yakuake (the latter of which I'm the maintainer right now, btw ...) don't use KTextEdit either |
| 23:10.44 | main | why is that, mirc is ok:) |
| 23:10.48 | main | ok then, use irssi :) |
| 23:10.59 | main | after all, i doubt it can get much leaner than that:) |
| 23:11.06 | main | ok, i forgot about telnet:) |
| 23:11.46 | arrinmurr | main: i do. not here though, since it's not nice to follow "fast" channels with it, imo |
| 23:11.58 | dpy2 | Sho: I'm afraid this is the killer bug for me |
| 23:12.11 | dpy2 | Sho: I'm so used to shift left/right to switch tabs |
| 23:12.20 | Sho_ | dpy2: Well, the fix here is to disallow these shortcuts in the other apps, too .. *ducks* |
| 23:12.24 | dpy2 | I can't let any app force me to some other key combination |
| 23:12.35 | main | irssi is indeed very good. |
| 23:12.48 | main | i never thought a console client can be that convenient |
| 23:13.10 | main | the only prob, is following the nickname list:) |
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| 23:15.48 | dpy2 | Sho_: do you happen to know a work around ? |
| 23:15.52 | arrinmurr | main: well, there's a nickname list plugin for irssi ;) |
| 23:16.03 | Sho_ | dpy2: No. The key combination is reserved. |
| 23:16.31 | dpy2 | I never noticed this in Qt |
| 23:17.04 | dpy2 | last time I checked you can override everything in Qt |
| 23:17.23 | nzx_ | http://nzx.mooo.com/Untitled.gif <-- can someone tell me what program this is ? |
| 23:17.41 | Sho_ | dpy: Yes, we could override it |
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| 23:18.05 | dpy2 | then, what's the problem ? |
| 23:18.07 | Ringwraith` | fuscript |
| 23:18.09 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! |
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| 23:18.15 | Sho_ | dpy2: The key combination is reserved by design. |
| 23:18.23 | dpy2 | the shift left/right select is useless anyway |
| 23:18.37 | dpy2 | Sho_: then why not put an option to override it |
| 23:18.47 | dpy2 | besides |
| 23:19.00 | Sho_ | dpy2: We could certainly allow you to use it when focus isn't on the input line (might even work right now, in fact), but when focus is on the input line, Shift+Left/Right will be for text selection |
| 23:19.10 | dpy2 | if I select this as a shortcut, then am I not the one who judges about what I want from the design |
| 23:20.14 | dpy2 | Sho: is there a scripting plugin that allows me to hack this in ? |
| 23:20.16 | Zero_Kelvin | Little query. I'm sure that I'm not the only person here that has a Google homepage setup to show certain info "nuggets", but I'd like Konqeror to remember to stay logged in when I load it again. Firefox does this okay, and a number of other sites I visit with Konqueror automatically have me logged in when I go to them, so does anyone know what setting there might be to tell Konqeror _not_ to log out from Google each time I load it? |
| 23:21.03 | daquino | how do i get rid of the alarm thing for good ? it keeps coming back ? |
| 23:21.24 | dec0ding_ | Jeeee there is a kmail option that sux |
| 23:21.41 | dec0ding_ | that there isn't "None" authentication for servers used for sending mails |
| 23:21.54 | dpy2 | test |
| 23:21.56 | dec0ding_ | mail.lugola.net doesn't support authentication method, it should be none |
| 23:22.04 | Ringwraith` | dpy, FAILED |
| 23:22.05 | dpy2 | another test |
| 23:22.12 | Ringwraith` | dpy, FAILED |
| 23:22.28 | dpy2 | I see bold and red |
| 23:22.51 | Ringwraith` | good for you :) |
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| 23:23.22 | Zero_Kelvin | dec0ding_: I see the option in Sending "Server requires authentication" with a check box next to it. |
| 23:23.57 | dec0ding_ | definitely I need better glasses :( |
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| 23:25.02 | Zero_Kelvin | Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Accounts -> Sending -> {Select Account} -> Modify. |
| 23:25.29 | grell | Hello does anyone know of a way that I can change the default expiration date for all cookies in konqueror / kcookiejar? |
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| 23:25.57 | dec0ding_ | Zero_Kelvin yes yes, I found it, I just need better glasses so that I see before I ask :) |
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| 23:27.36 | daquino | please i hate the little alarm deamon i want it to go away it keeps coming back!!! |
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| 23:28.14 | dpy2 | Sho_: is there no script plugin for konversation ? |
| 23:28.27 | dec0ding_ | daquino mandriva eeh ? |
| 23:28.28 | main | kalarm? |
| 23:28.42 | Zero_Kelvin | So, does anyone else have that problem with Konq? You have Google set to your homepage, you fire up konq, it loads google as if to load the normal logged in personal page, then logs out for some reason. I thought it might have been the cookie's set expiration date, but then Firefox should log out too, and it doesn't. I'd like Konq to stay logged in. |
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| 23:29.50 | daquino | dec0ding_: no... what gave you that idea ? |
| 23:29.52 | dec0ding_ | Zero_Kelvin I used Konqi some time ago and hadn't that kind of problem |
| 23:30.05 | Sho_ | dpy2: There's limited scripting ability via DCOP |
| 23:30.08 | dec0ding_ | daquino users had that kind of problem with Mandriva |
| 23:30.20 | Sho_ | dpy2: But not comparable to irssi or X-Chat |
| 23:30.25 | grell | Zero_Kelvin: it's probably because google sets it as a session cookie |
| 23:30.32 | grell | i'm trying to do the same thing |
| 23:30.52 | grell | change the default expiration date for all cookies to something like 30 days |
| 23:30.54 | daquino | its not a problem when it asked me the first time i miss checked one of the values that i normally did to make it not start at boot but it doens't ask me that anymore and i dont know where to go changet that setting |
| 23:31.03 | grell | don't know how though |
| 23:31.26 | grell | there's not very good documentation on kcookiejar |
| 23:32.12 | dpy2 | <Sho_> dpy2: But not comparable to irssi or X-Chat <- I was indeed more talking about something that can handle events and stuff |
| 23:32.40 | Sho_ | dpy2: Except for auto-reply on highlights, there's no event-driven scripting right now, no |
| 23:34.33 | dpy2 | that's two essentials missing :( |
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