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00:51.51visik7aib: there is a tool in background settings
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00:52.06luksanaib: dcop kdesktop KBackgroundIface setWallpaper *filename* 0
00:52.38visik7that allow you to refresh desktop with images or programs
00:52.50shiznixright click on desktop > Configure Desktop > on Background click Advanced Options > Background Program
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00:53.34aibwow thanks
00:54.47aibohhh, i can choose my script as the program! neat
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01:04.24aibnothing seems to happen when I run the dcop command. I expanded it by doing just `dcop' and then `dcop kdesktop', and it prompts me for the next entry each time, but the background is never changed
01:06.21caffeiaib, did you provide the full path to the wallpaper?
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01:08.00aibdefinitely. i set the background image to Alien Night, and then ran the dcop command, and my background became blue and the "No picture" bullet is now selected
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01:09.06aibahhh, got it :)
01:09.14aibthe command from luksan has a 0 at the end, it wanted a 1
01:09.39luksanaib: yeah, i was just guessing
01:09.45aibdamn good guess
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01:09.48luksanaib: i looked it up with kdcop
01:10.28aibthis is so cool :) i can see outside although I work in a basement. thanks guys
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02:30.23oggb4mp3whoah
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02:30.36xororandbtw
02:30.36xororanda new futurama episode is in the making :)
02:30.42TeaSeaxororand: 26 new episodes :)
02:30.42xororand26 new to be correct
02:30.42xororandyes :)
02:30.42xororandthis is soooooo great
02:30.42xororandi watched futurama from episode 1 on, back then i only had 64kbit/s and all i got were crappy 30mb realmedia versions
02:30.43TeaSeaDamn straight.
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02:50.58bobyfixeris fedora 5 out ?
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02:52.58bobyfixer<PROTECTED>
02:53.02bobyfixeris it out ?
02:53.08bobyfixeror is it a virus ?
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03:02.34[_]illogic-al"Please note that this is pre-release software"
03:03.16bobyfixerso its not the reall thing ?
03:03.52bobyfixerim never reading odnews ever again :P
03:04.00bobyfixerosnews i mean
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03:54.50dagnachewhello all
03:54.53dagnachewhow are you all
03:55.01gattacaflooded
03:55.25dagnachewI was wondering how this kind of icons http://www.iconbuffet.com/categories/icons were made
03:57.10gattacai'd use illustrator . . .
03:57.40gattacaor Inkscape for you X11 users :P
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04:00.08dagnachewwhy do they cost 250 $ ?
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04:08.12dagnachewhow to download Ricebowl icons ?
04:08.23dagnachewplease I need this icons set
04:10.42mobtektry kde-look.org
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04:22.11Ze_Mfrom where akode can be downloaded?
04:26.22firephotoZe_M: if your distro doesn't have it there's a src link here. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=30375
04:26.50Ze_Mhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/akode
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05:19.34ScytheBlade1Does KDE have a feature similar to window's "cascade windows {horizontally,vertically}"?
05:19.42ScytheBlade1I'd be immensely useful, but I can't find it
05:21.51GerbilSoftScytheBlade1: middle-click the desktop
05:22.16ScytheBlade1GerbilSoft, close, but I want it to resize them also to fit the maximum screen space
05:22.25GerbilSofttiling - don't think it has that yet
05:22.52ScytheBlade1agitating
05:22.54ScytheBlade1but thanks
05:23.08flaccid_is pyqt available in yum repos?
05:26.15DaSkreechScytheBlade1: There is a thingy
05:26.21ScytheBlade1DaSkreech, ?
05:26.23DaSkreechkompose?
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05:26.32DaSkreechScytheBlade1: Which distro?
05:26.44ScytheBlade1gentoo
05:27.02DaSkreechtry emerge kompose
05:27.16DaSkreechhttp://kompose.berlios.de/
05:27.58ScytheBlade1Eh
05:28.04ScytheBlade1Overkill, and not what I'm looking for
05:28.13ScytheBlade1I just want it to resize the windows to fit the screen space
05:28.20DaSkreechok
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05:30.28grepperScytheBlade1:  you can maximize hozizontally or vertically
05:30.35ScytheBlade1How?
05:31.08grepperr-click the title-bar and configure window behavior
05:31.24grepperactions for the maximize button
05:31.42ScytheBlade1Oh, hey, not bad
05:31.55DaSkreechYou can right click and middle click the maximize button but thats a pain
05:32.45ScytheBlade1That's the closest I've come so far
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05:39.34DaSkreechOk quick question on compiz
05:40.10DaSkreechis it intended to be developed or will it be cannibalized and fatten kwin?
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05:44.12Sotekis there a way to make KDE confirm before closing a (specific) application when I request it with alt+f4?  ... that is. I open a bunch of small windows from a program, I the use focus-follows-mouse and alt+f4 to kill all but a very limited few of them. But sometimes I accidentally hit alt+f4 when the focus is on a completely different application while doing this, and I close it; I'd like to make it so that it asked for confirmation first.
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05:44.12Sotek(Or just completely ignored it, either way.)
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05:47.31grepperyou can disable the keybinding
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05:48.18SotekWell. I want alt+f4 to work everywhere *else*. I like it. I'm used to it. I just don't want this one program to close without making sure I meant it.
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05:50.18Kobazanyone know how to make konqueror not open files on single click
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05:50.56grepperits in peripherals
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05:51.19grepperits in peripherals->mouse, in kcontrol
05:51.31parphHello.
05:51.36Kobazk
05:52.02Kobazexcellent, thanks
05:52.07parphIs there a way to specify a port in kopete for it to listen to? I suspect my file transfers are so slow because kopete is not looking at the right port range in my router/firewall
05:53.17parph?
05:54.31Sotekhmm. oh well.
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05:56.06firephotoparph: for msn?
05:56.19parphmsn, yahoo, anything
05:56.42firephotowell each protocol has it's own ports they use. this is from the msn side of things
05:56.50firephotoor yahoo. or whatever
05:57.02parphin game tho you can specify where it listens
05:57.25parphgaim
05:57.59firephotoright but that would only work between clients that you could set the port. msn uses 8168 i think, not sure about yahoo.
05:58.16parphhmm, ok
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06:00.09firephotoi show 6891-6901 and 1863 and 5190 for msn on my firewall here.
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06:21.40ZenethianI don't suppose anyone has ever built KDE 3.5 on Cygwin eh?
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06:56.29flaccid_i need libqassistantclient.so.1 for PyQt
06:56.35flaccid_not sure what rpm its meant to be in
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06:59.01Fri13flaccid_: you should select from yast "what provides" box and then search that.
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07:11.54automatdoes kde use the hal?
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07:13.17automator is the hal being written entirely by novell and some of the gnome devs?
07:13.18caffeiautomat, yes
07:13.25caffeiautomat, kde uses hal, that is
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07:15.45automati think i disabled the reaction to my camera.  i wonder what program i should use.
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07:19.37caffeiautomat, kcmshell media
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07:21.17somekooli have this problem to love using software that does not work.... why did I just stick with what everyone works with.
07:21.25somekooldidn't i
07:23.15Belegdolhi
07:23.32Belegdolwhat does kde 3.5.1 use for compositing?
07:23.37Belegdolrender?
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07:26.04automathm. kcmshell doesn't see my camera but digikam does
07:26.27automati suppose if i wanted to see it in media i should have a fstab entry for it...
07:28.16automatbut i cant find the /dev node for it.  weird.
07:28.35caffeiautomat, or add it to 'kcmshell kamera', perhaps.  (btw, kcmshell is just a way to run single kcontrol modules)
07:29.11automata big  case statement?
07:29.31caffeio_O
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07:32.11automatoh.  i didn't install kamera.
07:35.33caffeithat might help :D
07:37.03automatwhat's the difference then between running `kcmshell kamera` or just `kamera`?
07:37.57caffeikcmshell kamera is equivalent to going to Settings/Kcontrol -> Peripherals -> Digital Camera
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07:39.49automatand just `kamera`?
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07:40.22caffeithat doesn't do anything here o_O
07:40.24automatnm.
07:40.41caffeioff to game
07:41.01automatfinishing merge.
07:41.43automato.  there's two.  i didn't see that  in the -av.  oops
07:49.34automatwould it take a reboot to get kcmshell to see kamera?
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08:14.38dli__a kopete question, kopete gives me a place to select fonts for chat text, but if my buddy uses a different encoding from me, this doesn't work
08:19.35PhilRodronino: IIRC, kmail displays the mail "as sent", so if it's wrapped, it's because the sender wrapped the text
08:21.40roninoPhilRod: hmm, i don't think so, for me, this is the case: When reading the mail in KMail, it is displayed as wanted, there is a linebreak where intended by the sender or wrapped at 80 characters or something, but in printing, the font-size is too big, such that the lines wrap at say 70 characters and thus on the next line, you find 2 single words
08:24.09roninoPhilRod: ah, i found a way to set the font size for printing
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08:29.18PhilRodronino: oh, *printing*. Sorry, missed that in your original question
08:30.27roninoPhilRod: no problem ;-)
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09:12.41benJImanshinobi2: kcontrol -> regional & accessability -> input actions / khotkeys
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09:21.06flaccid_trying to install the deps for liquid weather which needs PyQt
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09:51.21^rob^hello
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09:53.49^rob^i wonder if they changed khtml.h to some other name
09:54.06^rob^i can't find khtml.h - even if i've installed kde-dev libs
09:54.42pinotreean header can't be renamed during a major release
09:54.52pinotreeare you sure you used khtml.h?
09:55.22^rob^yes
09:55.30pinotreei have khtml_path.h and khtmlview.h
09:55.33^rob^#include <khtmlh>
09:55.40^rob^me too
09:56.05^rob^#include <khtml.h>
09:56.05^rob^#include <kapp.h>
09:56.23^rob^those are the only lines included in that example file from khtml.h
09:56.26^rob^sorry
09:56.31^rob^khtml web page
09:56.34pinotreea) kapp.h is deprecated -> use kapplication.h
09:56.41pinotreeit's outdated, then
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09:56.51pinotreeuse khtml_part.h and khtmlview.h
09:57.50pinotree--> (phone)
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10:04.09visik7when I right click on a folder in konqueror and select share it show a button "Configure File Sharing..." but file share are configured to allow any user to share folders
10:04.17visik7why it doesn't show a dialog to share ?
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10:09.45raddyHello Everybody
10:09.48raddyHowdy
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10:10.49raddywhy does when Composite enabled, Konqueror lost highlight after moving it?
10:11.25apokryphosraddy: it shouldn't, really (doesn't happen here), but know that composite is known to be quite buggy.
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10:12.13raddyapokryphos : i don't use xcompmgr, i use kompmgr
10:12.27apokryphosraddy: sure
10:12.38apokryphos(which uses xcompmgr, I'm pretty sure)
10:13.21raddyapokryphos : both Kopete and and Konqueror lost highlight after moving it
10:13.33apokryphosraddy: composite is very buggy
10:13.45raddyapokryphos : what version of KDE are you using?
10:14.16apokryphosraddy: 3.5.1
10:14.41^rob^damn - i can't make a simple khtml browser - can someone pls help?
10:14.46raddyapokryphos : ohhhhhh, i am using only KDE 3.4.2
10:15.06apokryphosraddy: what distro are you on?
10:15.14raddyapokryphos : are you using Mandriva orv Kubuntu?
10:15.46apokryphosraddy: at the moment, neither. But both of those distributions have 3.5, so you can upgrade.
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10:16.12raddyapokryphos : mine SuSE 10, yeah, i know i can update to 3.5.1. but i don't want to update it,
10:16.23apokryphosraddy: why?
10:16.31raddyapokryphos : what is yours?
10:16.41apokryphosSuSE, at the moment.
10:17.11raddyapokryphos : it must come with Ditstribution. then only it would be polished and integrated
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10:17.18raddyapokryphos : what version?
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10:17.39apokryphosraddy: suse have packaged 3.5.1, it has all the polish of the previous kde. I recommend upgrading.
10:17.43apokryphosraddy: 10.0
10:18.07raddyapokryphos : you too using 10.0?
10:18.16apokryphoshttp://susewiki.apanela.com/tutorials:updatekde
10:18.20apokryphoscheck that out
10:18.20apokryphosyes
10:18.25raddyapokryphos : very similarity
10:18.35raddyapokryphos : are you updated xorg?
10:18.37apokryphosraddy: it's a popular distribution, yes :)
10:18.51apokryphosraddy: I'm only using 6.8, waiting for 10.1 RC to try o ut .9
10:19.12raddyapokryphos : what video card you have?
10:19.33apokryphosraddy: nvidia Fx5200
10:20.08raddyapokryphos : ohhhhhh, thats why you are able to use Composite even in 6.8
10:20.19apokryphosraddy: you have an ATI?
10:20.45raddyapokryphos : no, only Integrated Intel GMA 950
10:21.02apokryphosthat explains the problem :)
10:21.50raddyapokryphos : but before updating xorg, i was not happy with the performance of composite, but after updating i am very happy
10:22.14raddyapokryphos : it is much more usable than XGL
10:22.22apokryphosraddy: in what sense?
10:22.35apokryphosraddy: how did you update your xorg? Compile?
10:23.07apokryphosupdating your KDE might well help, who knows.
10:23.13raddyapokryphos : total performance, and responsiveness, importantly scrolling in XGL is very slow
10:23.29apokryphosraddy: that's down to your card, yes.
10:23.45apokryphoson mine (which is a pretty cheap card) it works pretty perfectly
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10:26.51raddyapokryphos : i used xorg 6.9 supplimentary packages,
10:27.21apokryphosraddy: interesting. Which source is that from?
10:27.33raddyapokryphos : composite seems not seperate thing, it is integrated in xorg
10:27.45apokryphosindeed
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10:28.25tdanyone any idea how to fix the print preview in Kate 2.4.1 on KDE 3.4.2? :)
10:28.57raddyapokryphos : http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/Xorg/Xorg-X11R6.9/i386/suse100/
10:29.07apokryphosraddy: thanks
10:29.40raddyapokryphos : you have to upgrade ImageMagic, and Sax2 too
10:29.54apokryphosraddy: how did the upgrade go for you? Smooth?
10:30.46raddyapokryphos : very smooth
10:30.46apokryphosraddy: thanks, I'll try them out.
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10:31.26raddyapokryphos : Install Mesa too. Xorg-libs-mesa now replaced by that package
10:31.35apokryphosthanks
10:31.47raddylibdrm too
10:32.26apokryphosraddy: d'oh. Seems like those were only built for i386
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10:32.45raddydo everything in yast, if you do it in cli, you may receive conflicts
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10:33.14apokryphosraddy: can't do it at all, unfortunately. Guess I'll just wait till 10.1 RC
10:33.23raddyapokryphos : okk
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10:34.15raddyapokryphos : by-the-way you can try XGL now itself
10:34.33apokryphosraddy: been trying it out; quite buggy altogether on here.
10:34.45raddyapokryphos : ohhhh
10:34.53apokryphosshould be fine in suse 10.1 with xorg 6.9
10:35.44raddyapokryphos : shall i give you suggestion?
10:36.07apokryphosshoot
10:36.16raddyapokryphos : i hope you know about Opensuse  factory
10:36.29apokryphosraddy: sure, won't really use that now though
10:37.34raddyapokryphos : using that update your Mesa package to 6.4.2
10:38.19raddyapokryphos : i heard that using latest version of xgl compiz and Mesa 6.4.2 fixes all XGL bugs
10:39.02benJImanfixing all bugs sounds rather unlikely :p
10:40.19raddybenJIman : most of
10:40.43raddybenJIman : slowness and sluggishnes
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10:54.50linux_galoreand for the millionth time "XGL" isnt finished yet
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10:59.16EnverexAny idea why KCron would say it can't update crontab?
11:01.29Enverex"error updating crontab" rather
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11:10.18PhilRodEnverex: do you have write permissions?
11:10.59EnverexI'm in the cron goup, heh
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11:15.00shinobi2whever and i add hot keys in kde 3.4? i.e. to maximize window
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11:18.05PhilRodshinobi2: control center > regional & a11y -> keyboard shortcuts
11:20.22shinobi2PhilRod, thx
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11:24.22shinobi2anyone know what's the defaul hot keys to maximize window in gnome? i want to config kde that way too
11:25.16shinobi2how can i add "xterm" icon on kpanel?  or a command box in kpanel?
11:25.48shinobi2the last kde version i used was there, but i don't see it in this newer version.
11:25.50PhilRodright click on panel -> add to panel -> application
11:26.03PhilRodor for a mini command line, add to panel -> applet
11:26.25PhilRodand add the "run command" applet
11:26.30shinobi2ah... found run command
11:27.10shinobi2PhilRod, how do i costomize a command "xterm" in kpanel
11:27.48PhilRoddo you have an entry for xterm in your K menu? (bear with me, the question is relevant)
11:27.50shinobi2customize
11:28.11shinobi2no, i don't have xterm on k menu
11:28.39shinobi2i remember i can customize a run command and choose my own icon for it.
11:28.55PhilRodrun kappfinder, and it should be able to add xterm to your k menu
11:29.07PhilRodyes, you can. Adding it to the K menu first is probably easier though
11:29.22PhilRodand demonstrates the usual way to add application icons to the panel
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11:30.57arielhi, someboby is here?
11:31.14shinobi2PhilRod, do you know where i can add "kdm" line during boot process so that it will automatically run kde upon start? this newer distro did not have gdm
11:31.41arielyast
11:31.45benJImanshinobi2: what distro are you using?
11:32.02shinobi2slackware 10.2
11:32.25shinobi2slackware 10.1 (using this one a while back)
11:33.16PhilRodshinobi2: best to ask in #yourdistro
11:33.34shinobi2PhilRod, i did, everyone sleeping, will try tomorrow
11:33.38arielexecute yast in console and open the sys-config editing option
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11:34.07benJImanariel: s/he's not using suse
11:34.16arielthere you can chnge the display manger from gdm to kdm
11:34.54arielsorry, so i know nothing
11:35.04PhilRodshinobi2: in that case, there are probably some distro docs somewhere. GIYF, I guess
11:35.58shinobi2GIYF==?
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11:36.22sorush20_anyone here know of a good p2p icon?
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11:37.48PhilRodshinobi2: "google is your friend"
11:38.34shinobi2PhilOut, yes it is
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11:42.06j6ti visited a site for the first time with konqueror, entered a password, and was asked "want to store password", and I said "No"
11:42.33j6tnow i want to revert my decision, i.e. i do want to save the password in kwallet
11:43.03j6ti found nothing where i could revert my first decision. am i missing something?
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11:44.13EnverexIs there any way of getting the little KDE games and stuff to work and play sound without Alsa being installed and running?
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11:49.57shinobi2are the kde skins good? does it slow down system by huge amount?
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12:07.04linux_galoreshinjii: depends how fast you wind the hand crank on the cpu
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12:29.35visik7in the content submenu of a folder I can't see share
12:29.40visik7how can I enable it ?
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12:34.21EnverexIs there any way of getting the little KDE games and stuff to work and play sound without Alsa being installed and running?
12:34.32visik7solved
12:34.46visik7permiss on /etc/security/fileshare.conf was misconfig
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12:41.38derelmi am using kde without arts - how can i get sound notifications to work?
12:43.12derelmin kcontrol -> system notifications  i chose to use an external player, but it doesn't seem to get executed, but i dont find anything in any logfile?
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12:46.59linux_galorederelm: change the sound server timeout its too slow
12:47.04linux_galorein kcontrol
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12:49.02derelmlinux_galore: i deactivated sound server, as i installed without arts
12:50.03linux_galorederelm: I dont think system notifications will work without artsd
12:50.25derelmlinux_galore: but you can chose to use an external player...
12:50.46linux_galorederelm: yes thats the player, thats not artsd
12:50.49benJImanyou can use suse's patches if want kde without arts
12:50.49derelmlinux_galore: so if i set this to (a)play or whatever sound should work
12:51.34linux_galorederelm: you cant do that with a standard kde rig you need the suse patches
12:51.58derelmlinux_galore: i am using gentoo, i think they provide the patches
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12:52.38linux_galorederelm: I think doesnt mean yes
12:52.58derelmlinux_galore: right :)
12:53.18linux_galoreanyway time for bed
12:53.22linux_galoremy shifts over
12:53.59linux_galoreone thing I will agree on, artsd must die,  long live gstreamer
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12:56.09EnverexWhen setting "use an external player" just putting /usr/bin/aplay should work shouldn't it?
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13:12.40[_]illogic-alow
13:13.22EnverexAnyone know why putting aplay as the external player in the KDE system settings wouldn't work?
13:13.33Enverex(aplay works fine from the console)
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13:15.38illogic-alEnverex: because KDe's system sounds are oggs
13:15.45illogic-alaplay aonly plays waves.
13:15.52illogic-alEnverex: use ogg123.
13:15.54Enverexusing mplayer doesn't work either
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13:16.45EnverexYup, no change, still silence
13:16.59illogic-alis arts still on?
13:17.04EnverexNo
13:17.13illogic-alps ax
13:17.24illogic-alps ax| grep arts
13:17.26EnverexArts isn't even installed and "Sound System" is turned off
13:17.35illogic-alpaste the output from that command.
13:17.50illogic-alEnverex: how is arts not installed?
13:17.51EnverexI'm not a moron
13:17.59Enverex18157 pts/3    S+     0:00 grep arts
13:18.04EnverexThats the only line
13:18.15illogic-alEnverex: how is arts not installed?
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13:18.44Enverexwell aparently "emerge kde" on Gentoo with the -arts "useflag" doesn't install KDE
13:18.49Enverexerm
13:18.50Enverexarts
13:18.52Enverex-kde
13:19.05illogic-alKDE will not give you system sounds without arts
13:19.19illogic-alyou don't have to use it but you do have to build KDE w/ it
13:19.30illogic-althat's why you're not getting any sound.
13:19.42Enverexugh, thats annoying
13:19.43PhilOutillogic-al: but the external player thingy should work
13:19.54illogic-alPhilOut: nope. not for system sounds.
13:20.00PhilOutreally?
13:20.10EnverexAlso, if you have Arts installed, what is the point in using an external player?
13:20.28illogic-alPhilOut: i have tried it :-)
13:20.45PhilOutillogic-al: what does the option do then?
13:21.07illogic-alPhilOut: it allows you to play external audio without using arts.
13:21.14Enverex...
13:21.21EnverexSo... you don't need arts
13:21.33illogic-aler, it allows you to play audio in an external player, without using arts
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13:21.49illogic-alEnverex: yes, you do need arts.
13:22.04EnverexWhy?! That makes no sense. Grrr.
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13:22.10illogic-allike I said KDE won't play sounds without arts being built
13:22.22EnverexI don't want to recompile everything to reenable arts then have to have that running too
13:22.29illogic-althen don't
13:22.37illogic-aland don't complain about it.
13:23.10illogic-alno one forced you to compile w/out arts, did they?
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13:23.44EnverexActually it's default on Gentoo due to arts being a steaming pile of shit
13:23.44PhilOutillogic-al: what do you mean by "external audio"?
13:23.46ArafangionHow easy is it to install koffice on windows and mac?
13:23.58ArafangionI'm thinking of scripting it for it's import filters, as a means of file conversion.
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13:23.59illogic-alPhilOut: that was wrong, i just meant audio
13:24.20illogic-alArafangion: atm, i'd think not that easy at all.
13:24.26mikearthurEnverex: what you need to do is compile everything except kdelibs with -arts, and set +arts on kdelibs, and use sox as an external player
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13:24.28illogic-alArafangion: check w/ the guys in koffice.
13:24.34ArafangionThanks.
13:24.37illogic-althey'll know more than I.
13:24.49Enverexmikearthur: Does arts need to be running though?
13:24.55mikearthurEnverex: nope
13:25.00Enverexargh, how pointless
13:25.14mikearthurEnverex: you turn it off, but if you compile kdelibs with -arts, there is no sounds from any kde application :D
13:25.27mikearthurEnverex: even when its not needed
13:25.28Enverex......?!?! WHY!?
13:25.29illogic-alif arts needed to be running then why use external player in the first plcae. that would be pointless.
13:25.40mikearthurit isn't needed
13:25.48PhilOutI'm really confused
13:25.53Enverexillogic-al: If arts isn't needed to play things then why does it need to be compiled in, thats pointless too
13:26.03PhilOutyes, that's what I don't understand
13:26.11illogic-alPhilOut: KDE won't build knotify w/out arts. knotify does the sounds notifications.
13:26.11mikearthurit just needs to be compiled in for kdelibs
13:26.20PhilOutillogic-al: aaaah!
13:26.24mikearthurseems like a CLEVER IDEA!
13:26.27PhilOutit all makes (some kind of) sense now
13:26.30Enverexmikearthur: kdelibs or kdebase?
13:26.34mikearthurlibs
13:27.13illogic-alPhilOut: i think i tried to remove arts requirement once (cpp files) and failed miserably.
13:27.21illogic-also there must be some code in there that it needs.
13:27.45mikearthurit'll be fixed for 4.0 no doubt
13:27.53Enverexhmm
13:27.58PhilRodarts won't be required in KDE 4
13:28.03PhilRod~arts-kde4
13:28.13aptarts is unmaintained, for KDE 4 (and not before) there will probably be a backend independent architecture allowing you to choose what sound engine (or none) to use via an abstracted API, if you want to know more, you should read the 5 or 6 hundred post long thread on the kde-multimedia mailing list archives
13:28.13EnverexI really can't decide on which DE to use =/
13:28.14PhilRod~kde4-arts
13:28.20PhilRodaha, there it is
13:28.23illogic-aluse the one which suits you best Enverex
13:28.26PhilRodalthough that's somewhat out-of-date
13:28.35mikearthurEnverex: what do you want to do with your DE/system?
13:29.13Enverexmikearthur: Same as you really
13:29.29mikearthurin that case, use KDE :D
13:29.40illogic-alhahah
13:29.46EnverexI like KDE but it seems so much... "heavier" than Gnome (although Gnome does seem to lack... anything anymore"
13:29.53mikearthurit's not any slower
13:30.06EnverexStartup is :P
13:30.09benJImanEnverex: kde is significantly faster than gnome
13:30.11mikearthurGNOME = users are stupid, lets remove everything confusing
13:30.18illogic-alEnverex: you are starting up more things...
13:30.22mikearthurKDE = lets just put a million checkboxes on a page!
13:30.23Enverexand Konqueror is slower, but Konq is also quite awsome
13:30.27benJImanEnverex: kdm -> working desktop in <2s for kde here, gnome takes several seconds
13:30.42illogic-alEnverex: konq is slower than what? certainly not firefox
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13:30.52Thrainhello
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13:31.02EnverexThat one that starts with an N
13:31.11Thrainis out there a mixer (neither kmix nor kamix)
13:31.11illogic-alThrain: hey Enverex
13:31.12Thrain?
13:31.23illogic-alThrain: woops :-)
13:31.26Enverexerm, Nautilus
13:31.32EnverexI mean as a filebrowser
13:31.51illogic-alEnverex: do you know what draws the gnome desktop ? It's nautius
13:32.01EnverexI know
13:32.02illogic-althat means it's running before you ever click on the icon
13:32.21illogic-alit _should_ start up quicker.
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13:34.30EnverexWhat's with the "Lost and Found" folder on my KDE menu?
13:34.59mikearthurthats stuff that hasn't had its .desktop file set in a way that works with KDE categories
13:35.03mikearthuryou get it on GNOME sometimes too
13:35.08illogic-alThat's where stuff gets stuck when KDE doesn't know where it belongs
13:35.29illogic-allike when you have two installtions of KDE and both are in your PATH
13:35.37illogic-alor when gnome apps get found
13:36.00illogic-alor when app devs don't put catergories in the .desktop files of their apps
13:36.11EnverexVMWare, Smb4k, GTK Styles and Fonts, Oregano, Gentoo, Encryption Key manager...
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13:37.12mikearthurEnverex: QEMU is the new VMWARE fyi :D
13:37.20EnverexAnyone know any good sites for Game icons? (mainly svg)
13:37.29EnverexBut is QEMU better than VMWARE, hmm?
13:37.41mikearthurI dunno
13:37.41Chryseusqemu is much slower
13:37.43mikearthurQEMU is free
13:37.46StevenRqemu is free though
13:37.54mikearthurChryseus: you use kqemu?
13:37.59Chryseuswell.. time is money ;P
13:38.10Chryseusmikearthur: no, I use vmware :P
13:38.20mikearthurChryseus: did you use kqemu when you tried QEMU?
13:38.24Chryseusnope
13:39.11mikearthurthat would be why then
13:40.02Chryseuskqemu is just frontend.. I don't believe it affects the speed of qemu in any way
13:40.55Thrainexcuse me
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13:41.13ThrainHow can I bind keyboard shortcuts to kmix sliders?
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13:42.09Thrain...... someone?
13:42.32PhilRodChryseus: an unfortunate overloading of names - kqemu is also a qemu kernel patch that speeds up qemu
13:43.13PhilRodThrain: use Tab to move between sliders, then up and down to change the volume
13:44.11ThrainPhilRod: uhm, i meant: how can I use special keys in my keyboard to raise/lower the volum
13:44.14Thrain*volume
13:44.45PhilRodsee user guide
13:44.48PhilRod~ug
13:44.55aptwell, ug is http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/
13:44.55Thrain? where
13:45.04Thrainok :D
13:45.21PhilRodactually, it might be even easier than that
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13:45.46PhilRodThrain: settings->configure global shortcuts in kmix, if a) you have kde 3.5, and b) your extra keys are recognized by X
13:45.58PhilRodyou can test b) by running xev, and pressing one of the keys
13:46.16PhilRodhiya StevenR
13:46.23StevenRafternoon PhilRod
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13:47.20ThrainPhilRod: thank you very much
13:47.38ThrainPhilRod: I don't know why... but I never saw "global shortcuts" in settings :|
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13:48.24Thrainmh
13:48.29ThrainNow I'd like to get OSD :D
13:49.36PhilRodkmix doesn't have one. I think kmilo does though. Not sure if that'll do what you want
13:49.53PhilRodactually, you might be able to get kmix to pop up the volume control when you change the volume
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13:51.29ThrainPhilRod: ok
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14:12.26boldiihi
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14:35.19gemidjyhttp://wiki.kde.org/
14:35.22gemidjybad
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14:36.20archangle25i have private keys set up in quite a number of konsole sessions. I want to autologin a number of specific machines whenever i start konsole up... can this be done from within konsole ? or will i need a shell script?
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14:38.18snugglemonkeycanllaith: ping?
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14:43.28edecaMy keyboard has 'special' keys that work with lineakd, but is there a way to configure them in KDE?  i.e. a GUI that I can attach them to KDE things, instead of writing a lineak config with lots of dcop calls
14:44.52tech9inerin my suse10 running kde here edeca .. main menu - preferences - regional & accessiblity offers me like 3 difference gui apps for config'g keyboard chit mate
14:45.34edecaI've never got those to work with lineak :\  Time to have another look, possibly I haven't got it installed right
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14:47.18tech9inerall i know edeca here.. im pure, anti-mouser, keyboardist here and thus demand 99.99999% keyboard operations of all apps.. or i dont use'em ;]]
14:47.49edecavim for you? :)
14:48.17strawdude, the computer "mouse" was invented before you were born...
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14:49.48tech9inerthats based on major assumptions your end straw .. roflmfao.. but tx 4 assuming me yute .. and btw.. many moons since chattn straw .. allz well we hopes?
14:50.07Arafangiontech9iner: In many cases it's faster.
14:50.17strawits a fact! ;)
14:50.17tech9inerand to clarify.. im likewise gui dependent.. so not pure CLI operations by any stretch
14:50.21mahmoudkesi inja hast
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14:51.04tech9inerstill running FedoraCore eh straw ?
14:51.18strawhells yeah :)
14:51.44tech9inerlol.. ill be loadn it back up after 5 hits n settles few months straw
14:52.02strawkget'ing 5 now, matter of fact
14:52.25tech9inernot formally released as of yet isit straw ?
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14:52.37tech9ineri thought it was like may
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14:53.24tech9inerbeen quite proud of FedoraCore in da news straw .. tween suse/fc me 2 favs.. i can rule the world from me desk straw rofl
14:53.25strawthe mirrors are open. |Jef| of course is disputing that it's "not official" in #fedora as usual, of course :P
14:54.01tech9inerr o f l m f a o  straw .. yea.. Jef wants me.. he just has problems showing affection on irc is all..
14:54.17strawi'd swear he practices that song and dance for a week before each release
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14:54.51tech9inerrofl.. aww.. now your just making me miss me 3+ yrs of .. ahem.. 'Jef'iepoo' now straw hehe
14:55.02strawheheh
14:55.07tech9inerhilarious he be
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14:56.02Thrainhello again :D
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14:56.51Thrainpeople
14:57.00tech9inerbtw straw .. for chits n giggles mate.. Jef has an eville twin in #suse.. rofl.. Nermal..
14:57.07ThrainI'd like to know an application for mail notification
14:57.14Thrainkbiff doesn't work for me
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14:58.07ThrainSo, I don't know any alternatives
14:58.11Thraincan you give me one?
14:58.49strawtech9iner: there's always someone with an ego that needs constant stroking :D
14:58.57VinkyIs it possible to give a keycode instead of a keysym in khotkeys? my symbols doesnt work
14:59.56tech9inerhehe.. true datt straw .. damned human beanz i say.. off widdere bloody rotten 'eadz.. the lot of em i say straw .. like me fav line in end of move needful things.. 'Kill them ALL!!  Let God sort them out!' rofl
15:00.10strawheheh
15:00.46tech9inermove*movie.. yet i digress..
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15:12.02edecaThanks tech9iner for your help, I actually fixed it by installing the KDE bindings for lineak
15:12.36tech9inercooness edeca .. np
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15:27.13DaBladeHello. I got a small problem with kdesktop
15:27.25DaBlade"Align to grid" doesn't work
15:27.32DaBladeIt just doesn't do anything, at all
15:29.19StevenRhow do i make konversation remember that I've resized the nick list? when i change channels and back again it resets the width, which is really annoying
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15:30.18DaBladeStevenR: Check the permissions of your profile
15:30.28DaBladeStevenR: Or ask in #konversation
15:30.34DaBladeNow can someone help me out? lol
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15:33.22StevenRDaBlade: the perms are fine
15:33.25StevenR:(:S
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15:34.24DaBladeStevenR: #konversation or /msg Sho_
15:34.44StevenRDaBlade: yeah already there....went there 1st :)
15:35.31DaBladek
15:35.57DaBladeNow does anyone know how I can fix the "Align to grid"?
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15:51.54_sfxhi all
15:52.01_sfxi want to install icon packet
15:52.18_sfxbut i dont know
15:52.23_sfxcan you help me ?
15:52.40pinotreekcontrol -> look & themes -> icons -> import -> select the tarball -> ok
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15:53.24_sfxok i am trying
15:53.39MoRYeLLLselam
15:54.13SimAtWorkmorning all
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15:56.45MoRYeLLL:D
15:56.48doktoreasguys do you know if i kmail can i set de quoting txt in differents color?
15:56.49MoRYeLLLaleyküm selam
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15:57.27pinotreedoktoreas: sure, take a look at the preferences
15:57.41pinotreelook&feel -> colors
15:58.16Thraina superkaramba theme for mail notification?
15:58.20_sfxohh guys... how can i install cursors :)
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15:58.30dagnachewhello all\
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15:58.38dagnachewhow to change the kdm theme ?
15:58.56pinotree_sfx: !? did you already ask that? (and i give you a reply...)
15:59.07tech9inerheh.. moin pinotree
15:59.12pinotreem
15:59.35pinotreeThrain: have you seen if among the newstuff themes there's one for that?
15:59.38_sfxpinotree: i asked icons
15:59.47_sfxcurors like icon packets ?
16:00.07pinotreecursors |= icon themes
16:00.09Thrainpinotree: no
16:00.16Thrainpinotree: there isn't
16:00.24boldiiI have lost my menu by deleting some folders in ~ but I don't know which. Can I get it back somehow. my distro is Kubuntu.
16:00.30pinotreethan: kde-look.org, karamba section?
16:01.40SimAtWorkboldii: you deleted stuff without knowing what you where delting?
16:01.49SimAtWorkboldii: did you delete using the gui? (ie, is it in the trash can).
16:02.40boldiiSimAtWork: no, I used the console. and it was a mistake with a -R which remained from the last rm ... I know. kind of stupid.
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16:05.33Thrainpinotree: I found just one - Aero AIO
16:05.45MoRYeLLLay lav yu PARDUS
16:05.55MoRYeLLL:)
16:06.00boldiiso there is no way to get it back?
16:06.09_sfxMoRYeLLL: :))
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16:06.20_sfxpardus suxx :PP
16:06.26MoRYeLLL:)
16:06.31MoRYeLLLwarsa sorunu olan
16:06.34MoRYeLLLyardımcı olunur
16:06.36MoRYeLLL:)
16:06.41_sfxeheh :P
16:06.49MoRYeLLLsfx dün gaim kurdum
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16:06.55MoRYeLLLsen kurdunmu amsn sorunlu çıktı
16:07.20pinotreeaehm...
16:07.27MoRYeLLLaehm..
16:07.33pinotreeenglish, please...
16:07.51_sfxpinotree: ok :)
16:09.05SimAtWorkboldii: i think you're hooped .
16:09.10SimAtWorkboldii: you mihgt want to check out libtrash
16:09.14SimAtWorkfor future fumblings
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16:14.02tech9inerhmmm.. fun fun fun
16:14.02tech9inerweeeeee..
16:14.03_sfxwoow
16:14.03_sfx:D
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16:15.35MoRYeLLLgoo goo .D
16:15.59MoRYeLLLaym go tu du away
16:16.03MoRYeLLLokey
16:16.11MoRYeLLLbiye biye
16:16.34MoRYeLLLay lav yu türkiye ay lav yu pathera pardus
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16:33.35munzirHi, I just launched knights but the option of play chess with computer is dimmed. how should I enable it?!
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16:35.24StevenRmunzir: make sure you have the appropriate packages for the chess backend installed
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16:36.21munzirStevenR: like what? I have xboard and gnuchess installed for example
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16:36.31elvakahe ppl
16:36.36elvaka*hello
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16:36.51StevenRmunzir: does xboard work?
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16:38.42munzirStevenR: xboard alone gives me an error of can't find program gnuchessx broken pipe or something!
16:38.53StevenRthere you go then
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16:39.18StevenRxboard is being nice and giving you a usefull error
16:40.45elvakawhen i press the middle button of the mouse, it pastes the text in the clipboard. Can i disable that?
16:43.27munzirStevenR: you are right! so I need to add /usr/games/gnuchessx to the path I guess. I will try it now
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16:45.07munzirStevenR: I added it to the path and xboard works but still knights doesn't!
16:45.14StevenRhmmm
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16:47.49nestormhi everyone
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16:49.32munzirI will try to check it more later any way. thanks
16:51.39elvakawhy alsa is turned off when I enter the kde desktop?
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16:59.55Death_Wishi was wondering where is kdmrc located?
17:01.25SimAtWorkit varies by distro
17:01.34SimAtWorkbest way to find it is touse locate
17:01.55Death_Wishim on gentoo
17:02.07pinotree$KDEDIR/share/config/kdmrc
17:02.09pinotreeiirc
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17:03.50Death_Wishpinotree: it says that files is not there :S
17:04.24elvakawhy alsa is turned off when I enter the kde desktop?
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17:10.15SimAtWorkelvaka: alsa is not part of kde (although it is used by kde).
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17:15.05elvakawhere can i ask about alsa?
17:15.27nestormelvaka, what exactly?
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17:16.02elvakawhy alsa is turned off when I enter the kde desktop
17:16.34nestormwhat distro are you using?
17:16.45elvakasuse
17:17.13elvakawhat is the command for turn on alsa? i can put it in Autostart
17:17.21nestormelvaka: no
17:17.26nestormthat is not a good idea
17:17.33elvakawhy?
17:17.45nestormAt suse control center you should see a Service Handling entry
17:17.49nestormor something like that
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17:18.02elvaka?
17:18.03nestormServices
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17:18.20elvakawhere is it?
17:18.20nestormDo you know what I mean?
17:18.26nestorm??
17:18.40nestormHow long has you been using suse?
17:18.49elvaka3 days
17:18.50elvaka:P
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17:18.59elvakai'm in the cc
17:18.59nestormok
17:19.05benJImanyast -> system -> system services ->runlevel editor
17:19.09nestormlook for system>services
17:19.09elvakaok
17:19.13nestormthat's right
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17:19.33benJImanbut you don't want to be turning on alsa there unless yo udisabled it yourself
17:19.40benJImanyast -> hardware -> sound, configure it there
17:19.41nestormcan you see there if it starts on boot?
17:20.07nestormbenJIman: thanks, I havent used suse too much
17:20.12LnxSlckhello everyone
17:20.14elvakawait plz
17:20.23elvakaalsasound
17:20.30elvakais turned on
17:20.36nestormmmm
17:20.39benJImanelvaka: what made you think it was turned off?
17:20.49benJIman"cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" do you hear noise?
17:21.16elvakai can't hear any sound
17:21.24benJImanyast -> hardware -> sound card, configure it there
17:21.29elvakabut if i disable in the cc and i reenable it
17:21.31elvakait works
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17:22.21benJImanperhaps you have a sucky sound driver that only lets you output one thing at at a time and arts or something is hogging it
17:22.35marois it possible to make kwrite not print a dot for tabs?
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17:23.06elvakai have the last realtek driver
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17:24.05nestormmaro: yes
17:24.16maronestorm: how? :)
17:24.21nestormXDD
17:24.25maroI've been through the menu three times now
17:24.31nestormI know you were going to ask me that
17:24.38nestormXD
17:24.52maro;)
17:24.57nestormmaro: those dots are not printed, did you know that?
17:26.23elvakawith cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp i hear a noise
17:26.28nestormPreferences>Configure Editor>Editing>Show tabs
17:26.32nestormtake the check out
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17:26.59nestormmaro: I'm translating the interface, so it maybe different in your screen
17:27.14LorD_RaGehello to everyone..., does anybody have any idea why kaffeine sucks??
17:27.27LorD_RaGei have my codecs installed, yet no video appears...
17:27.37benJImanLorD_RaGe: you probably need an uncrippled xine
17:27.40benJImanwhat distribution are you using?
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17:27.50LorD_RaGesuse 10
17:28.02LorD_RaGehow's that?
17:28.16LorD_RaGewut do i do?
17:28.23elvakai have the same problem with kaffeine :P
17:28.34benJImanLorD_RaGe: install libxine1 from packman
17:28.41benJImanyou can add it as a package source to yast
17:28.49benJImaninstall kaffeine from packman too
17:28.54LorD_RaGeokz
17:29.02LorD_RaGei'll give it a try
17:29.29benJImanfurther questions -> #suse
17:30.03maronestorm: ah, thanks!
17:30.18LorD_RaGethnx!!!
17:30.23maroI guess I was looking for "mark tabs" or something :)
17:30.42nestormhehehe
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17:35.01wimpiesNeed some help with kde progress dialog ... pops up all the time
17:35.13wimpiesAlso would like amarok to start when inserting CD and not KSCD
17:35.17wimpiesHow ?
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17:37.29EnverexKonqeror has been messing my system up a bit lately. I've noticed my computer going up to 100% RAM, SWAP and CPU usage and becomes unusage
17:37.33Enverex*unusable
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17:37.48EnverexThe task doing it was Kio-thumbnails
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17:37.56EnverexWhich Is assume is part of KDE, right?
17:38.56SimAtWorkit definately is
17:39.02SimAtWorki wonder what it was doin
17:39.15EnverexKilling my machine, heh
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17:39.37EnverexThe machine just seems to lock up when RAM and SWAP reach 100% and I can't do anything, the HD just goes mad (the swap I assume)
17:39.57LorD_RaGepanic?
17:40.04EnverexI need to find out why it was doing this else I'm going to have to switch to Gnome =/
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17:40.31LorD_RaGeu r going to kill everyone in this channel if u do that jeje
17:40.37EnverexNo, it doesn't actually panic or anything, just slows down due to so much swapping that it becomes unusable (screen doesn't even refresh)
17:41.03LorD_RaGeauch, how much swap do u have?
17:42.04LorD_RaGehave u seen if KDE autostarts dumb apps??
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17:49.53elvakayeah i has alsa working again
17:49.59elvaka*have
17:50.21wimpiesaudiocd and amarok ... anybody know how to get t his going ?
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17:52.40markeywimpies: yah, with amarok 1.4 and xine engine
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17:54.00EnverexLorD_RaGe, 1GB swap and what apps do you refer to?
17:54.07litbwimpies: audiocd and amarok sucks
17:54.07litbat least when i tested it
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17:54.49wimpiesKSCD does not work for me (I presume no cable to sound card)
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17:55.10elvakaxine engine never works
17:55.29wimpiesI tried the arts backend but I get no sound out of it (mp3 files work)
17:55.44EnverexAmarok is great
17:56.13wimpiesenverex : if I could get it to play audio cd ... yes
17:57.30Enverexheh, haven't played an Audio CD for years
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17:58.06wimpiesHmmm, just killed a fiew kio_audiocd processes and now I get sound
17:58.22wimpiesbut it  skips (hickkups ?)
17:58.52wimpiesLet me logout and see if it improves
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18:00.36wimpiesHmm artsd segfaults .. great ...
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18:07.52bauerbobhi
18:08.28bauerbobhow can i stop kmail from opening several connections/doing multitasking on my imap mailserver?
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18:14.45pinucsetone think, i dont know why but in my kmail folders (with lists) when i have all of them read and i pass to another folder it is ok, but when i regress to the folder wich i have read all the mails it mark some last mails at no read... please help...
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18:14.55pinucsetkde 3.5.1 debian unstalbe
18:14.57lastenthi i need to know something can i have kde and gnome, and chosee one before login?
18:15.15LorD_RaGeyes
18:15.31LorD_RaGewut distro r u usin?
18:15.41lastentubuntu
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18:15.54LorD_RaGeubuntu only uses gnome
18:16.01LorD_RaGekubuntu uses kde
18:16.51lastentsee i was using gnome i dont know what happente but now i am using kde, i think i remove gnome
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18:24.46elvaka...
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18:30.19StRHi all!
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18:30.37StRin kmail,  how can I reply a mail with HTML format?
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18:32.42LorD_RaGehow'd u installed it?? from a dvd or a cd
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18:34.30HamishTPBStR: if you click reply then click "Options> Formatting (HTML)"
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18:35.01elvakaif i kill the kde desktop... is normal that the gnome desktop appears?
18:35.12StRHamishTPB: it only shows/hides the format bar
18:35.31HamishTPBStr: yes but you can use the formatting then it makes the reply HTML
18:36.33teatimeelvaka: no
18:36.34StRHamishTPB: so, I have to set by hand all the format the original mail has?
18:36.51hubipetehi all, I thought of the KDE website landscape because I think it is really crappy atm, so I wrote a concept how I would like to see the KDE realted sites organised... http://hubipete.hu.funpic.de/kde/website_landscape.html
18:36.52hubipeteplease read it and let me know your opinion
18:37.32HamishTPBStR: No - it should pick it up as long as you have set to allow HTML in the message before you hit reply. You can allow by default or click the header option in individual messages.
18:38.28elvakawhy it happens?
18:38.29HamishTPBhubipete: the annoying flying advert popup stopped me looking after 5 seconds - sorry. And I didn't allow the cookies either
18:38.59fredrikhhubipete: the kde-www@kde.org mailing list would be a much better choice than this channel
18:39.08hubipeteHamishTPB: this advert is there because I don't want to pay expensive webspace
18:39.16hubipetefredrikh: ok I will post it there
18:39.38HamishTPBhubipete: I know that mate but you will not get a lot of people looking if things like that happen :/
18:39.57HamishTPBhubipete: don't you have some ad free space from your ISP or something?
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18:40.18hubipeteHamishTPB: unfortunately not...
18:40.33HamishTPBhubipete: bummer :(
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18:41.04HamishTPBhubipete: if it something that the KDE ppl consider seriously I am sure it would be hosted somewhere there...
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18:42.20hubipeteHamishTPB: i hope so but first it has to be read...
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18:43.02sam^hi
18:43.06HamishTPBhubipete: yeah - how big is it?
18:44.01hubipeteHamishTPB: the file has about 7kb without images and css
18:44.15HamishTPBI can host it temp if you like?
18:45.03HamishTPBhubipete: because I really think the adverts and cookies will detract from it and discourage people looking
18:45.27HamishTPBhubipete: as long as it isn't too large with the gfx and stuff I will host for you no probs
18:45.33hubipeteHamishTPB: this is very friendly but I don't think you have to do so, as i will post it to the mailing list which is certainly the best place
18:45.50hubipetebetter than a website :-)
18:45.53HamishTPBah
18:45.54HamishTPBok
18:45.56HamishTPBI see what you mean
18:46.06HamishTPBwell - if you change your mind let me know
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18:46.56hubipeteHamishTPB: yeah thanks a lot for your offer
18:47.31HamishTPBhubipete: I don't mind when it is for the community :)
18:48.06HamishTPBhubipete: I thought there was more of a mock-up website there you see - but it was more adverts :D
18:48.41hubipeteHamishTPB: :-D had no time to do a mockup
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18:49.21HamishTPBhubipete: :)
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18:55.11aronofskyhi guys , i got some problems with alsa and amarok, i got my alsa driver buit in my kernel , it works ok with xmms , but with amarok its impossible to detect or initialize audio device , it seems its not detected or recognize , I dont know what to do ?
18:55.51HamishTPBaronofsky: what sound engine are you using?
18:56.42aronofskyHamishTPB, try to use xine , but every time I try to select it it tells me "unable to initialize any audio devices"
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18:57.11aronofskyHamishTPB, "any audio-driver" to be exact
18:57.14HamishTPBaronofsky: when you select Xine you need to press apply then fill in the alsa devices in the boxes
18:57.34HamishTPBaronofsky: e.g. plug:dmix or plug:default
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18:57.57aronofskyHamishTPB, thats what i try to do but when i press apply it tells me taht error
18:58.07HamishTPBoh
18:58.08HamishTPBhmmn
18:58.32HamishTPBso you can select "XIne" from the drop down?
18:58.57aronofskywhat do you mean : "plug:dmix or plug:defaul" ?
18:59.10HamishTPBaronofsky: hang on I will show you a screenshot of mine
19:00.21HamishTPBaronofsky: ftp://pbmm.net/pbmm/gfx/screenie.png
19:00.23HamishTPBoops
19:00.27HamishTPBaronofsky: http://pbmm.net/pbmm/gfx/screenie.png
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19:00.53aronofskyHamishTPB, login/password ?
19:01.00HamishTPBsorry - use second link
19:01.05HamishTPBhttp://
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19:02.36HamishTPBah sorry
19:02.42HamishTPBstill giving you a duff link
19:02.49HamishTPBaronofsky: http://www.pbmm.net/gfx/screenie.png
19:02.54HamishTPBthird time lucky :P
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19:03.38aronofskyHamishTPB, yeah ok but as I tell you im even unable to select xine as engine , i got directly the error msg
19:03.45HamishTPBaronofsky: ok :/
19:03.53HamishTPBaronofsky: what distro?
19:04.03aronofskyHamishTPB, debian
19:04.06HamishTPBeep
19:04.13HamishTPBaronofsky: I am afraid I know nothing about that
19:05.11HamishTPBaronofsky: I would suggest you check what flags xine / amaroK are compiled with but I don't know how you would know in Debian :/
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19:06.03HamishTPBis xine-lib installed?
19:06.12HamishTPBaronofsky: is xine-lib installed?
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19:06.41lethal_doseIn konqueror, how can i hide files terminating with ~ ?
19:06.58aronofskyHamishTPB, yes
19:07.13HamishTPBaronofsky: do you know how to check the flags a package was installed with?
19:07.52aronofskyHamishTPB, no but im sure it has alsa support because it was working on anoter machine
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19:08.10HamishTPBaronofsky: yes but it is amaroK's flags I am interested in
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19:08.24HamishTPBaronofsky: whether amaroK had the xine flag set
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19:09.28Wizz_Kidd13hmm
19:09.34HamishTPBaronofsky: as far as I know amaroK doesn't have a built in sound output system, so it doesn't directly use alsa - it uses another application (like Xine)
19:09.43Wizz_Kidd13in Gnome theres something called GNconf or something like that
19:09.57Wizz_Kidd13anything like that in KDE
19:10.06HamishTPBWizz_Kidd13: what does it configure?
19:10.25Wizz_Kidd13its like instead of using config files
19:10.31Wizz_Kidd13for your apps
19:10.32HamishTPBWizz_Kidd13: kcontrol
19:10.35HamishTPBoh
19:10.59Wizz_Kidd13http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/
19:11.06Wizz_Kidd13tell me the KDE equivalent
19:11.09HamishTPBWizz_Kidd13: thanks - will take a peek BRB
19:11.58Wizz_Kidd13no problemo
19:12.06Wizz_Kidd13but i iknow theres a kde equiv
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19:12.52HamishTPBWizz_Kidd13: hmmn not sure I get exactly what it does but most KDE apps store their prefs themselves and are gui configurable per application. All shared config information is done with kcontrol (Control Centre on the KDE menu)
19:13.20Wizz_Kidd13well it elinates
19:13.26Wizz_Kidd13the use of a cinfig file
19:13.30Wizz_Kidd13config
19:13.43Wizz_Kidd13and stores user prefernces very managebly
19:13.53HamishTPBhmmn
19:14.09Wizz_Kidd13kde has to have a equiv ;)
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19:14.23HamishTPBall KDE apps have their own gui configurable prefs so I don't quite see what you mean
19:14.31HamishTPBis it for non-gui apps?
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19:14.47aronofskyHamishTPB, thats crazy , it was working before I reinstall the sytem , I got nothing more installed
19:15.00HamishTPBaronofsky: ah, I see.
19:15.08HamishTPBI am on the phone - back in a little while
19:15.19Wizz_Kidd13HamishTPByour not understanding me
19:15.36Wizz_Kidd13or seeing the purpose of Gconf
19:15.40aronofskyHamishTPB, and alsa is working with xmms , it must be something silly
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19:18.53zorglu1q. is there a good screencasting tool under kde ?
19:19.13zorglu1good as in 'easy to use' and 'able to produce flash video'
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19:20.24benJImanzorglu1: there's vnc2swf or something, if you just want normal video you could use xvidcap
19:20.39benJImanzorglu1: not sure why you'd want to make flash, it's proprietary
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19:26.04Wizz_Kidd13HamishTPBKconfig was the anwser ;)
19:26.46HamishTPBWizz_Kidd13: ok :) Good stuff - still on the phone
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19:36.38snoopyHi! Short question, which channel would be fine to ask c++ specific questions (cxx is rather deserted...)
19:37.23Death_Wishsnoopy look up programming forums :P
19:37.29Death_Wishhas anyone use conky?
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19:39.19snoopyDeath_Wish: well, don't think searching for "undefined symbol" (dlopen) and namespaces are an easy search...
19:40.05Death_Wishgo to this site and they will hellp u trust me im a member
19:40.14Death_Wishdevshed.com
19:40.24HamishTPBaronofsky: sorry about that - long phone call
19:40.40snoopyDeath_Wish: thnx :-) hope that's a good one
19:40.46Death_Wishit is
19:40.57HamishTPBaronofsky: where were we... OK - so you have had amaroK working before? what happened then - is this a new install?
19:41.33snoopyDeath_Wish: good ;-) thnx
19:41.39Death_Wishnp
19:41.45HamishTPBaronofsky: and alsa working with xmms is good but not directly relevant - xmms has a direct alsa output plugin - amaroK doesn't
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19:48.14snoopyDeath_Wish: did some research in BRAIN(tm) which gave me a solution, thnx anyway ;-)
19:48.29Death_Wishnp
19:49.09Death_Wishcan someone help me explain when i did a minimal install of kde 3.5.1 i have to keep going to run nd type xterm to use a terminal ?
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19:49.31HamishTPBDeath_Wish: instead of?
19:49.38HamishTPBDeath_Wish: and hello again :)
19:50.04davidrcan anyone help with a ksirc peeve?
19:50.07Death_Wishi did kdebase-startkde and i have to use run inorder to use terminal
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19:50.18HamishTPBDeath_Wish: do you mean instead of it having a menu entry?
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19:50.33Death_Wishit has no menu entry like if i did emerge kde
19:50.36HamishTPBk
19:50.55HamishTPBDeath_Wish: does your menu have..Settings>Menu Updating Tool?
19:50.57Death_Wishand i was wondering if there was a package for that
19:51.11davidrcan anyone help with a ksirc peeve?
19:51.15Death_Wishno
19:51.22HamishTPBDeath_Wish: or you could install Konsole which is the KDE console program
19:51.40HamishTPBDeath_Wish: you can add it using the menu editor manually then
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19:52.07frik85hi all
19:52.07HamishTPBdavidr: best to ask the question matey - just go for it - if someone knows they will say :)
19:52.14davidrok. tnx.
19:52.16Death_Wishi wanted it the way it was done when u do emerge kde
19:52.30davidri'm trying to use ksirc's notifications ...
19:52.38frik85does someone know an irc-channel for the KAT project from the KDE group ?
19:52.50frik85(search and index app)
19:52.57davidrtrying to configure it to "show a message in a popup window"
19:53.01frik85(similar to spotlight and beagle)
19:53.04davidrbut it never seems to pop up anything
19:53.15HamishTPBDeath_Wish: konsole is the default one but like I say - you can add xterm to the menu manually
19:53.17davidranyone know what the prob might be?
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19:53.36Death_Wishi did /bin/bash but nothing
19:53.53HamishTPBDeath_Wish: you don't get a shell at all?
19:54.00Death_Wishnope
19:54.23HamishTPBDeath_Wish: sounds like your set up is a bit screwed or am I not quite understanding something
19:54.41Death_Wishi typed in run /bin/bash
19:54.43Death_Wishnothing
19:55.08HamishTPBDeath_Wish: ah - you need to run "xterm" or "Eterm" or "Konsole" or whatever one you have installed
19:55.41davidranyone know what that ksirc prob might be?
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19:55.55davidrdoes that feature just not work?
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19:56.20HamishTPBdavidr: there might be a kvirc channel - afraid I don't use that client myself
19:56.23HamishTPBoops
19:56.29Xaero_Vincenthello does anyone know if Windows in Gnome 2.14 move smoother now with less ghosting?
19:56.33Death_Wishim going to install yakuake :D
19:56.34HamishTPBI mean ksirc - I use kvirc :)
19:56.37Xaero_Vincentsorry but ##gnome aint talken
19:56.39HamishTPBDeath_Wish: okely :)
19:56.47Death_Wishits better :P
19:56.47ExitMenuin konquer can I change the default view so its always detail list, and if so how a I am lost
19:56.54Sho_Death_Wish: Cool
19:56.58Sho_Death_Wish: Hope you like it
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19:57.11davidrHamishTPB: ok.  thanks anyway
19:57.13Death_WishHamishTPB, can u explain why when i lick on a link in FireFox it does nothing?
19:57.22Death_Wishclick*
19:57.28aronofskyHamishTPB, sorry i was eating
19:57.28Benedict_anyone here using xorg composite and translucency?
19:57.34Death_Wishi can't right
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19:57.52aronofskyHamishTPB, so yes as you said alsa+xmms works but its not directly relevant
19:57.52HamishTPBExitMenu: when you set your view the way you like it you can create a profile or save it as the default by using "Settings> Save profile or profile view management"
19:58.01ExitMenuta
19:58.05HamishTPBdavidr: no probs - sorry couldn't me more help
19:58.18HamishTPBDeath_Wish: not without more information
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19:58.27HamishTPBaronofsky: no problem matey - about to do the same :)
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19:58.52aronofskyHamishTPB, I really dont knwo what to do
19:59.03Death_WishHamishTPB, what info would u need and ill try and give it to ya
19:59.25HamishTPBDeath_Wish: not sure to be honest - is a very vague problem :/
19:59.31Death_Wishyeah
19:59.35Death_Wishill reinstall it
20:00.25zorglu1benJIman: i want to make flash to produce webpage video. flash is proprietary ok, but i want my video to be seen and no other codec are anywhere close to flash for this purpose
20:00.38HamishTPBaronofsky: OK - so you have had amaroK working before? what happened then - is this a new install?
20:01.13aronofskyHamishTPB, yes it is
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20:01.33nikhello
20:01.39HamishTPBaronofsky: it sounds like a library or package is missing to be honest :/
20:02.00zorglu1benJIman: im aware of vnc2swf but the usage is painfull, e.g. the vncserver to configure by hand and making what vnc is capturing quite hard to select
20:02.33aronofskyHamishTPB, maybe but how can i figure it out ?
20:02.46HamishTPBaronofsky: in Debian I am afraid I don't know :(
20:02.47zorglu1i think linux should integrate the current web stuff and not segregate itself from it just to push politics view about openness
20:03.03nikI like to have the location bar of konqueror beside (right) the icons...I can put it there, but only if the konqueror window has a large enough width...If I make the window smaller, the location par drops below the icon bar...; how to say konqueror that the location bar should be beside the icons bar?
20:03.05Death_Wishhey HamishTPB  you would know how to change the kmenu icon would u?
20:03.25illogical'tis sadly gone from the minds of the current generation. Shameful!
20:03.28HamishTPBzorglu1: it is not "linux that segregates itself" it is the closed software that doesn't keep up development on Linux versions
20:03.58HamishTPBDeath_Wish: I think you need to manually replace the icon file - have a search on the gentoo forum I think I seen it there
20:04.15Death_Wishoh ok thank you sorry for my dumb questions
20:04.22zorglu1HamishTPB: ? which close software are you talking about ? it is currently possible to produce flash video with ffmpeg. is it considered close software ?
20:04.32benJImanzorglu1: if all the web was in a proprietary format like flash we'd all be using internet explorer on windows with IIS servers
20:04.56HamishTPBzorglu1: flash and skype are two examples
20:05.02zorglu1benJIman: lets be clear "I am all for free software"
20:05.08HamishTPBand benJIman is absolutely correct
20:05.14HamishTPBDeath_Wish: no problem mate
20:05.15zorglu1but currently i want to do a screencast
20:05.19benJImanthe format specs are open but you may not use them to make a player
20:05.32zorglu1and doing it under linux is 'impossible for a plain user'
20:05.36HamishTPBDeath_Wish: I would ignore you if I didn't know or didn't want to say ;-)
20:05.47zorglu1so does it have to switch to  window to do the screencast ?
20:05.49Death_Wishwhy u say that?
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20:06.18zorglu1i mean what linux have to win in forcing people wiching to do screencast to use window ?
20:06.23HamishTPBDeath_Wish: because you were apologising for what you thought were "stupid" questions :) I don't mind helping at all is what I am saying :)
20:06.34Death_Wishoh ok :P
20:06.35zorglu1another thing to be clear i use linux only for more than 10years
20:06.37Death_Wishthanks
20:08.00HamishTPBzorglu1: what I am saying is that the problem of a specific format not being useable or editable on Linux is not the fault of anyone in the free software world - it is up to the makers of a proprietary format / program to allow linux developers (outside or in  their own company) to work on them
20:08.49HamishTPBzorglu1: if they don't but there is a great need for the functionality of an application or format then more often that not an open alternative will appear
20:08.54zorglu1HamishTPB: ? it is currently possible to record flash video on linux (via ffmpeg)  and it is possible to play flash video on linux (via flash plugin)
20:09.23HamishTPBzorglu1: only up to certain versions, at the whim of Macromedia (Adobe now I think)
20:09.31zorglu1so why not coding an apps able to record screencast and pass it thru ffmap
20:10.01HamishTPBzorglu1: I don't know whay "screencast" is but I think my answers above cover things
20:10.14zorglu1HamishTPB: well im able to watch the flash video i found on the web. so i guess the flash pluging on linux support 'enought of the flash video'
20:10.42benJImanzorglu1: macromedia could stop developing the plugin and then you'd not be able to watch them any more
20:10.43zorglu1HamishTPB: screencast is simply 'record the screen of your desktop and produce a video of it'
20:10.56zorglu1benJIman: yep but currently they do
20:10.57HamishTPBzorglu1: yes - most flash is still compatible but the win version of flash has been updated and some Flash won't work. Also - there is not a shockwave player for Linux
20:11.14benJImanzorglu1: they do, but you're not even allowed to redistribute it
20:11.22HamishTPBzorglu1: the point is that they don't though - we are a version behind the win flash
20:11.29benJImanand you're locking people into a dependence on  macromedia
20:11.51HamishTPBzorglu1: I am sure there is a program to do that on Linux if you look around (like screncast I mean)
20:11.56Death_WishHam do u know how to bind the kde menu with the windows key cause i tried to do it but it won't work :(
20:12.01zorglu1HamishTPB: benJIman: i agree with all you says
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20:12.19HamishTPBDeath_Wish: afraid not  - I think you may need to use xmodmap or something
20:12.25zorglu1HamishTPB: believe it or not. but none is easy to use. and something like 5 exists on windows
20:12.45HamishTPBsorry to leave just now chaps but I really have to go eat - will be back later :)
20:12.58zorglu1HamishTPB: benJIman: the point is i see them as relevant. here it is why:
20:13.16benJImanzorglu1: you don't need to make them flash though
20:13.18HamishTPBzorglu1: sorry mate - I am not being rude but I really need to go afk for now
20:13.24benJImanany video type will do
20:13.25HamishTPBI will be back later though
20:13.44zorglu11. macromedia *could* stop providing it. yep but currently they do and dont plan to stop
20:14.17zorglu12. you put a dependance on a close format. true. but no other format is anywhere close the usabiility of this one
20:14.32zorglu1benJIman: well not if you want your video to be viewable
20:14.46zorglu1benJIman: flash video is by VERY far the most viewable.
20:14.58zorglu198% of internet can see flash video
20:15.09zorglu1i think the other closest codec is like 60%
20:15.52benJImanthere is no 64bit flash, it is VERY cpu intensive on linux, audio desyncs etc, and you're not allowed to use the specs to make a rival player, plus the EULA is very restrictive compared to even other proprietary software
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20:15.56imachinehi
20:16.07zorglu1benJIman, i DO agree
20:16.15zorglu1benJIman: but there is NO alternative
20:16.27imachinepardon me for the possibly trivial question, but is there some kind of a alarm clock on kde 3.5.1?
20:16.29zorglu1benJIman: or more simply, can you give me an alternative ?
20:16.30Thrainparapà!
20:16.43benJImanzorglu1: you could use ogg theora or something if you just want a video
20:16.47imachine;]
20:16.59zorglu1benJIman: yep but nobody can look at ogg theora ?
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20:17.16zorglu1benJIman: me running linux fc4 can't do it
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20:17.20benJImanzorglu1: they can look at theora without having to install a proprietary player
20:17.36benJImanimachine: kalarm, kteatime, etc
20:17.51imachinebenJIman, kteatime i know ;]
20:17.51imachinethat one rocks [;
20:17.56zorglu1benJIman: obviously i could likely look at ogg if i studied all the codec dependancies, but i didnt
20:18.09imachinebenJIman, i was expecting it in the clock's menu ;]
20:18.16imachinebenJIman, on the taskbar ;]
20:18.22zorglu1benJIman: well no :) i mean most users cant look at ogg theory
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20:18.26zorglu1theora
20:18.34zorglu1let me find the stat
20:18.53benJImanzorglu1: they can if they install the codecs, which are included in most linux distributions I Think
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20:19.19zorglu1http://www.macromedia.com/software/player_census/flashplayer/
20:19.38zorglu1benJIman: they can if they install the codecs <- sure, but nobody does :)
20:19.54benJImanthen they choose not to watch it
20:20.02zorglu1:) :)
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20:20.21benJImanif you make it in flash you force them to install proprietary software to watch it legally
20:20.39zorglu1i dont 'force them'
20:20.46zorglu1as 98% already did
20:21.06zorglu1it is when i provide 'ogg theora' that i force them
20:21.14benJImanmost of whom arn't aware of the implications
20:21.34benJImanit's even against the EULA to install it on laptops
20:22.09zorglu1ok do you realize that here you are promoting politic view ?
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20:22.21zorglu1like 'dont install non-free software' ?
20:22.37zorglu1ok i have a better question
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20:23.12zorglu1what benefit for linux to force people willing to record screencast to do it under window ?
20:23.48benJImanzorglu1: you can screencast under linux, to any format, why do you choose flash which can only ever have a non-free or illegal player until macromedia change the EULA
20:24.28zorglu1i 'choose' flash to get the video seen
20:24.32zorglu1as simple as taht
20:24.39zorglu1no other format allow that
20:24.40benJImanthe 98% won't change if people like you keep publishing content requiring flash
20:24.56zorglu1nope
20:25.01benJImanany format can be seen if people install the relevant codec/plugin, just like flash, and unlike flash anyone is free to implement them
20:25.11zorglu1i plan to provide other format
20:25.33benJImanthat would be the sensible thing
20:25.50zorglu1so your proposition is 'let force people to install free codec, by not providing the codec they have already installed'
20:26.41benJImanno my proposition was don't force people to install proprietary player by only providing it in flash format
20:27.02zorglu1great i perfectly agree :)
20:27.14zorglu1now how can do a screencast of my linux desktop :)
20:27.21zorglu1in flash and ogg theora :)
20:27.30zorglu1ogg to promote free codec
20:27.35zorglu1and flash for the others
20:27.43zorglu1i just want the tool :)
20:28.00benJImanI would probably record in some video format and then convert with transcode/mencoder or something
20:28.15zorglu1btw screencast could be of a great benefit for opensource
20:28.26benJImanthere are various tools , nothing particularly easy to use unfortunately, I tend to use xvidcap
20:28.35benJImanthere was a presentation on this at akadamy
20:28.54zorglu1xvidcap can go thru ffmpeg encoder ?
20:29.52benJImanxvidcap uses ffmpeg I know because it is a pain to build
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20:30.57zorglu1great :) i will try to use it :) (ffmpeg allows to encode in flash too)
20:31.15vicksis there a way to show rss feeds in some kind of sidebar in konqueror (running 3.5.1, dapper)?
20:31.24benJImanvicks: yes
20:31.56benJImanvicks: right click the sidebar -> add new -> newsticker
20:32.33benJImanzorglu1: http://ktown.kde.org/akademy2005/unprocessed/CreateMultimediaDemonstrations-RairEndres-video.ogg <- it might have been that one
20:33.03vicksbenJIman, i don't have that option...bummer
20:36.00zorglu1benJIman: thanks downloding it
20:36.47HamishTPB[20:19:37] <zorglu1> benJIman: they can if they install the codecs <- sure, but nobody does :) <-- By that reasoning everyone will still be on the version of flash they had when their PC was first installed.
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20:37.11benJImanHamishTPB: lots of people click ok on all the "click ok to install flashplayer" type things
20:37.54HamishTPBbenJIman: yes - indeed. And a well coded website will have a direct link to any plugins / codecs required as well
20:38.27zorglu1HamishTPB: well people does the effort to install new version when it provides new features
20:38.28HamishTPBbenJIman: it comes down to lazy authoring and lazy users together to give someone like macromedia a stranglehold
20:38.39zorglu1but i understand your point
20:39.06HamishTPBzorglu1: yes - exactly - so if they really want to see the content of a website and the author has coded it well then the download will be just as easy
20:39.30HamishTPBzorglu1: but I can't speak for any specific codec - just generalising
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20:39.59parsohello !
20:40.09parsoI've a prob with kicker pannel !
20:40.23parsoThere are Help message, and i can't disable them
20:40.36parsoIf someone can help me, please
20:40.55HamishTPBparso: what is the message?
20:41.10parsoNo message, but I can't disable it
20:41.21parsoI'm French, sorry but I don't know the world
20:41.37parsothe message when you're on an Icon in kicker pannel
20:41.52HamishTPBparso: do you mean the "tooltip"?
20:41.53parsoDescription of the prog etc
20:42.04parsoIt's possible yes ...
20:42.11HamishTPBparso: I think you just need to log out and back in again
20:42.25HamishTPBparso: sounds like a graphics glitch
20:42.30parsoI've uncheck the checkbox in properties, but no result
20:42.43parsono, I've restart so much times
20:42.46HamishTPBparso: ok
20:42.51parsoand no result either
20:42.55HamishTPBparso: can you show me a screenshot?
20:43.14HamishTPBparso:  I am afraid mon francais est merde :/
20:43.26parsolol !
20:43.40parsoA screenshot of what ?
20:43.46HamishTPBwhat you see on your screen
20:43.49HamishTPBwhat the problem is
20:43.57parsoIt's not a problem
20:44.01parsoThe large hum
20:44.04parsowindows
20:44.24parsoappear when you select an icon in kicker pannel
20:44.33HamishTPBoh
20:44.40parsoto show what the icon is, description
20:44.42HamishTPBparso:  I think I know what you mean now!
20:44.42HamishTPB:)
20:44.50parsoThx lol ! :D
20:44.55HamishTPBparso: unfortunately your menus will be in French :/
20:45.03parsoYes ...
20:45.11HamishTPBparso: My native language is English
20:45.13parsobut in properties, I've uncheck the case
20:45.23parsoand no results
20:45.41HamishTPBparso: give me a moment to look at settings and I will try to show you where to click
20:45.49parsook, but tell me if you have a solution ... I understand english better than I speak
20:45.59parsoOk, thx a lot
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20:47.09parso(I've Kde 3.4.2 HamishTPB )
20:47.45HamishTPBparso: ok - just sending a file to my webserver for you to look at - I hope I understand you now :)
20:47.59parsook, thx ! :D
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20:48.27parsoBut if it's on Kicker's properties, I think I've uncheck the good case ...
20:48.35HamishTPBparso: http://www.pbmm.net/gfx/screenie.png | I hope that is what you are looking for
20:49.03iambenwhen launching kicker 3.5.1 im getting "kicker: tzfile.c:344: __tzfile_read: Assertion `num_types == 1' failed."   read somewhere that it was a glibc problem, but i dont know where to start in fixing it
20:49.15iambeni did recently rebuild glibc, but afaik i didnt change anything
20:49.16parsoOh, i've uncheck the other
20:49.22HamishTPBparso: did that work?
20:49.27parsoI try
20:49.29HamishTPB:)
20:49.43parsoloool !
20:49.46parsoMy godness !
20:49.53parsoIn french it's not the good traduction !
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20:50.19HamishTPBparso: did that work?
20:50.20parsoIt mean "Disable smooth effet icons" in french,
20:50.25parsoYes ! thanks a lot !
20:50.26HamishTPBparso: ah
20:50.35HamishTPBparso: Tres bon! :D
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20:50.50parsolol, thx a lot ! :D
20:50.57HamishTPBparso: anytime :)
20:51.23parso(Just a little thinks)
20:51.41parsoDo you know a good website for beautiful png icons ?
20:51.41SmakIs it normal for a cd to spin down after every track read?/
20:53.08HamishTPBparso: I use gentoo and they have a nice collection of icons
20:53.24HamishTPBparso: is it for your KDE desktop?
20:53.29parsoYes
20:53.38parsobut alone icons
20:53.40parsoone per one
20:53.41HamishTPBparso: http://www.kde-look.org/ is good
20:53.51parsoBut there isn't a lot of icons...
20:53.56HamishTPBparso: hmmn
20:54.22HamishTPBparso: I imagine just google searching will be best then
20:54.37Death_WishHam i got a question i can't extract any tar files to my desktop :(
20:54.51parsook, I will search tomorrow, it was just if somone know a better ...
20:55.03HamishTPBparso: that is the gentoo collection though -- http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/icons.xml
20:55.41parsoThx ! :D
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20:56.27HamishTPBDeath_Wish: yes - you might want to install "ark" for a nice graphical front-end - and also there are kde addons for konqueror that will let you do a lot of that type of thing from a context menu (right click a file)
20:56.37HamishTPBparso: pas problem :)
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20:56.50Death_Wishso emerge konq-plugins?
20:56.52aronofskyhi guys , was wonderin what are best video player to use on kde, just discovered amarok wich is great and was wondering what were good video players ?
20:57.22HamishTPBDeath_Wish: there are more than that but that is a good start
20:57.26SimAtWorkaronofsky: i'm partial to xine (which isn't kde)
20:57.32Death_Wishgoodie :)
20:57.34SimAtWorkaronofsky: but mplayer is great also
20:57.39HamishTPBDeath_Wish: I install almost everything so I am not sure which bits did what
20:57.48SimAtWorkaronofsky: kaffeine is a kde player that uses the xine engine
20:57.50HamishTPBaronofsky: Xine or kaffeine here
20:57.53Death_Wishoh u did kde-meta?
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20:58.13SimAtWorkaronofsky: i've used kaboodle and dislike it, noatunes or something (default in many distros for some reason) I HATE that one.
20:58.18HamishTPBDeath_Wish: almost all of the -meta packages for KDE
20:58.41Death_Wishdamn must of had patience and time
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20:59.35HamishTPBDeath_Wish: and I use the other PCs on my network to distribute compiling ;-)
20:59.46Death_Wishwhatcha mean?
21:01.04HamishTPBDeath_Wish: and I upraded most of it with the kdexdeltas flag so saving a lot of work after the initial install
21:01.18HamishTPBDeath_Wish: using "distcc" - there is  how to
21:01.33Death_Wishi can't use distcc :P
21:02.05HamishTPBk
21:02.08Death_Wishim thinking of install XGL :P
21:02.27HamishTPBDeath_Wish: I don't know anything about it
21:02.35Death_Wishbut im afraid the ati-drivers are what made my last install never work
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21:04.59HamishTPBI am off for now - gonna give my brain a rest - maybe be around later :)
21:05.12Death_Wishlater
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21:06.04Oti1hi, I did an upgrade to KDE 3.5.1 and suddenly, my wlan card doesn't seem to connect to the net ...
21:06.21Oti1the card is active and visible
21:06.21bauerbobhi, how can i stop kmail from opening several connections/doing multitasking on my imap mailserver?
21:06.36Oti1how can I check what the problem is ?
21:07.09Oti1the "default gateway" setting in the Networking panel doesn't show "wlan0" anymore, it stays blank
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21:09.29snoopyDeath_Wish: Hi! /me back, now brain(tm) couldn't help any more...
21:09.40Death_Wishaww
21:09.46snoopy*gg*
21:09.52snoopyno, just jokin
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21:11.28parsoThx all and bye bye ;)
21:12.46Oti1hi, my wlan fails since I upgraded to 3.5.1 ... can someone please help ?
21:19.19kelvie_Anyone know how to make Konsole realize I have more fonts than I should?
21:19.33kelvie_other KDE/X apps see my other fonts.. but Konsole gives me a limited selection
21:19.50kelvie_And not only the font face.. limited sizes too
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21:23.37Tm_Tyou mean Konsole shows only usable fonts? ;)
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21:24.17ObsidianXin the kde meta packages on gentoo which one will provide the ability to see video thumbnails
21:24.56apokryphosObsidianX: #gentoo
21:25.06ObsidianXalright
21:25.10ObsidianXwasn't sure where to ask
21:25.31ObsidianXis it a kioslave or a plugin?
21:26.05PhilRodmight be a plugin. I'm not sure how it's implemented
21:26.15aronofskycan anyone tell me how to save view options in konqueror ?
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21:26.58benJImanaronofsky: what sort of options ? settings -> save view profile saves a lot
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21:27.41aronofskybenJIman, i want it to be "detailled list view" by default
21:27.44ObsidianXbleh, forgot, thats why i didn't go to #gentoo... nobody ever responds
21:28.39benJImanaronofsky: yeah save view profile is what you want
21:28.47benJImanaronofsky: save it as filemanagement
21:29.12kelvie_Tm_T: how does Konsole define which fonts are useable?
21:29.30benJImankelvie_: only monospace fonts
21:29.42aronofskybenJIman, why as filemamagement ?
21:29.56benJImanaronofsky: that's the default view profile used for filemanagement
21:30.08benJImanif you click the home icon on the kicker in default settings the filemanagement profile will be opened
21:30.20benJImansorry it's "File Management"
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21:30.47elvakahello
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21:31.08aronofskybenJIman, cant i create my own profile so i wouldn't modify default profile ?
21:31.18benJImanaronofsky: you can indeed
21:31.36elvakahow can I run a file as root, without running it from the super user konsole?
21:31.46benJImanaronofsky: but if you want to make sure that whenever you click links to local filesystem etc the settings are used save it as file management
21:31.53benJImanelvaka: there's a run as option from the run dialogue
21:31.58benJImanor you can run "kdesu programname"
21:32.09elvakakdesu thanks
21:32.12benJImanor youc an right click -> open with, kdesu programname
21:33.16kelvie_benJIman: where do I go set which fonts are monospace are not?
21:33.27kelvie_benJIman: I have way more monospace fonts than what Konsole recognizes
21:33.39benJImanhmm, perhaps a fontconfig problem
21:34.23kelvie_benJIman: maybe the author of the font forgot to configure it as a monospace one? (I'm sure it is; I use it in vim all the time)
21:34.32kelvie_is there a way I can go manually change it for particular fonts?
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21:36.41canllaithdoes fontconfig recognise it as monospace?
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21:36.54canllaith(you would edit this in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf (or local.conf, really))
21:37.35kelvie_canllaith: I don't think it does recognize it as monospace
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21:38.08kelvie_canllaith: mm.. so I'd probably change ~/.fonts.conf to accomodate for this then?
21:38.12canllaithYes
21:38.36kelvie_canllaith: mind pointing me to somewhere where I can learn how? :p
21:39.30canllaithHave a look at your /etc/fonts/fonts.conf for inspiration and then google? :P That is what I would do.
21:40.52kelvie_canllaith: heh.. alright; thanks
21:41.08Tm_Tcanllaith: yay!
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21:51.56ktoswhat do you thing?what is the most unix like linux distribution?
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21:54.18StevenRktos: slackware
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21:57.00SimAtWorkktos: i'd say gentoo
21:57.42ktosany more than slackware?
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22:01.14ktosok, thanks
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22:02.19cbris there a tetrinet client for qt?
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22:03.58feindbildmoin ^^
22:03.58SimAtWorkcbr: looks like gtk only
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22:15.19elvakawhen I start the kde desktop, the nautilus is launched too
22:15.24elvakawhy??
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22:25.27Blissexelvaka: it might be because of many reasons; for example that in your last session you opened Nautilus.
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22:26.29elvakahello again
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22:27.07elvakanautilus has started again...
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22:27.24elvakaand if i kill the kde desktop, i can see the gnome desktop under it
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22:30.28Blissexelvaka: lets say that it is actually somewhat difficult to start both KDE and GNOME at the same time.
22:31.15elvakawhen i start the kde desktop, nautilus is launched under it
22:31.27elvakaand if i kill the kde proces, i can see the gnome desktop
22:31.33elvaka^^u
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22:33.25dli__a kopete question, kopete gives me a place to select fonts for chat text, but if my buddy uses a different encoding from me, this doesn't work
22:33.36illogicalew
22:33.36Blissexdli__: #Kopete might be more relevant...
22:33.40Blissexdli__: in any case, what you describe is exactly what should happen.
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23:13.13storytellerHello all
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23:14.21storytellerI'm currently trying to learn programming by making a gui for archlinux' package manager pacman using kdevelop/qt designer :-D
23:14.45storytellerThe only ones that have been written so far are in gtk or java :(
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23:15.09pfeinany howtos on using maildir with kmail?
23:15.15storytellerI've wanted to take up programming for some time, and this seems like as good a project to learn on as any
23:16.02Blissexstoryteller: ask in #KDE-devel
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23:20.12iambenkicker: tzfile.c:344: __tzfile_read: Assertion `num_types == 1' failed.
23:20.36iamben^ im getting that error and i've read a few places that its a glibc problem, anyone have any idea where to start for a fix?
23:21.40Blissexlooks like different versions of a code and a file what got created by a previous version.
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23:24.49storytellerThank you blissex, but I don't have questions yet lol....I'm sure they'll come soon enough though lol
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23:30.14DarkJesusyo
23:30.48DarkJesusI said yo!
23:31.28gemidjyKay my /dev/hdc drive opens as system:/media/hdc, and it should open as media:/hdc/ ... any chances to change that?
23:35.42gemidjyanyone
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23:36.52Blissexgemidjy: depends on which automounter you got which KDE mounting applet you use.
23:37.05pfeinany howtos on using maildir with kmail?
23:38.40gemidjyBlissex: I use Kanotix, hal
23:38.42gemidjyudev
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23:47.41somekoolanyone wrote script actions for quanta ? how do you pass parameters ?
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23:48.53X2hi, guys
23:49.13Blissexgemidjy: don't know much about that sorry.
23:49.34gemidjyu use hotplug?
23:49.46X2the mouse pointer mover the focus to another point while I'm typing. how do I get rid of it ?
23:49.49Blissexgemidjy: problem is IIRC 'system:' indeed means 'udev', and 'media' is probably related to the KDE built in mount manager.
23:50.07Blissexgemidjy: I have disabled 'udev'/'hotplug' because they are too dodgy.
23:51.04gemidjyBlissex: then how do u get modules loaded?
23:51.09gemidjyby own scripts?
23:51.32Blissexgemidjy: statically at boot, own scripts.
23:51.36gemidjyahm
23:51.52gemidjyI suppose that is way too faster way
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