| 00:00.16 | Sho_ | mhall: Good point ;-) |
| 00:01.12 | _server | tschau zusammen..... |
| 00:01.17 | intrade | tschusss |
| 00:01.26 | mhall | Sho_: but yes, i actually started in german because i had to pick german french spanish or japanese |
| 00:01.35 | mhall | Sho_: and the language with the best teacher was german |
| 00:01.52 | mhall | Sho_: also, the other languages, there was no exchange program |
| 00:02.05 | mhall | Sho_: then when i got there i found out i did very well with the pretty german women |
| 00:02.16 | mhall | Sho_: so this was motivation to continue to study in college |
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| 00:09.43 | theconartist | does KDE 3.5+ still havethe unified menubar? (like Mac OS) |
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| 00:10.56 | Sho_ | theconartist: yup |
| 00:11.12 | theconartist | there aren't any plans to get rid of it are there? |
| 00:11.21 | Sho_ | theconartist: Unlikely |
| 00:11.27 | theconartist | :) |
| 00:12.01 | Firztspawn | intrade: ping |
| 00:12.09 | intrade | ? |
| 00:12.18 | Firztspawn | so whats xnet like as an isp? |
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| 00:12.46 | intrade | are yoi in nz? |
| 00:12.46 | Firztspawn | ya |
| 00:12.46 | intrade | its the cheapest well was in 2005 december |
| 00:12.51 | intrade | its ok |
| 00:12.55 | Firztspawn | reliability? |
| 00:13.01 | intrade | free national traffic |
| 00:13.20 | intrade | reliable ok every other month a problem |
| 00:13.25 | intrade | but not for long |
| 00:13.28 | intrade | 30 minutes |
| 00:13.40 | Firztspawn | whats the reliability like? i.e big lag, getting dropped etc |
| 00:13.41 | intrade | 2h once was telecoms fault the 2h outage |
| 00:13.50 | Firztspawn | ah ok |
| 00:13.55 | intrade | no drops unless you got a shit modem |
| 00:14.13 | intrade | dlink or usb crap and you drop off on any isp |
| 00:14.18 | intrade | with these modems |
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| 00:14.37 | Firztspawn | havent had any issues |
| 00:14.39 | intrade | get euther a linksys router or a us ronotic shure connect |
| 00:14.50 | intrade | from xtra? |
| 00:14.50 | Firztspawn | but then its a router and not a straight modem |
| 00:14.53 | intrade | the modem |
| 00:14.57 | Firztspawn | ya |
| 00:15.03 | intrade | not usb? |
| 00:15.07 | Firztspawn | no |
| 00:15.10 | Firztspawn | hell on |
| 00:15.13 | Firztspawn | no* |
| 00:15.14 | Firztspawn | lol |
| 00:15.19 | intrade | ok myght be a better one but d-link= crap |
| 00:15.28 | Firztspawn | I only wanted an ether connection |
| 00:15.37 | intrade | yup usb is junk |
| 00:15.47 | intrade | any usb is utter crap |
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| 00:15.56 | Firztspawn | true I suppose |
| 00:15.57 | intrade | dlink just tops it lol |
| 00:16.10 | Firztspawn | just heard that dlink usb is crap |
| 00:16.17 | intrade | you are on tradme auction site? |
| 00:16.19 | Firztspawn | not sure of the others |
| 00:16.26 | Firztspawn | yes |
| 00:16.39 | intrade | what user name do you visit computing? |
| 00:17.05 | intrade | every week 2 people complain about adsl not working i ask what modem dlink? lol answer always yes |
| 00:17.08 | Firztspawn | occassionally |
| 00:17.12 | Firztspawn | not often though |
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| 00:17.19 | Firztspawn | usually lacking money lol |
| 00:17.26 | Firztspawn | other priorites |
| 00:17.27 | intrade | ok i am intrade there also |
| 00:17.56 | intrade | loads more auction sites about 50 we have here in nz now |
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| 00:18.27 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 00:18.30 | intrade | zillion bidforit oneway just to name a few |
| 00:18.43 | intrade | trade and exchange is the best one |
| 00:18.53 | intrade | all free but tm is most popular |
| 00:19.36 | intrade | just read finprint of isp when you switch xnet had no hidden finprint when i signed up no contract and all |
| 00:20.08 | intrade | reason why i drop off is the rural phone line is crap |
| 00:20.36 | intrade | it disconects the wires every 2 days for a few secound and tons of line noises in the phone |
| 00:20.50 | Firztspawn | ah ok |
| 00:21.02 | Firztspawn | know anyone in the city town on xnet? |
| 00:21.08 | intrade | what linux you use Firztspawn ? |
| 00:21.16 | Firztspawn | Gentoo |
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| 00:21.20 | intrade | ask on tradme computing? |
| 00:21.29 | intrade | sounds good i never had gentoo |
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| 00:21.40 | intrade | i wanted to try free bsd |
| 00:21.49 | intrade | i got stuck on kanotix |
| 00:21.59 | Firztspawn | when its going great, its awesome as a distro, when its not,,, |
| 00:22.03 | Firztspawn | you get the idea |
| 00:22.09 | Firztspawn | same as any distro I suppose |
| 00:22.30 | intrade | yea solong it aint m$ |
| 00:22.44 | Firztspawn | lol true |
| 00:23.02 | intrade | xnet has free national data no cap |
| 00:23.18 | Firztspawn | yeah but how many servers these days are in NZ |
| 00:23.23 | Firztspawn | not too many |
| 00:23.24 | intrade | i run filesharing dc++ on only nz severs on this linux |
| 00:23.30 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 00:23.40 | intrade | some good stuff |
| 00:23.56 | intrade | i got pirate of silicone valley |
| 00:24.05 | Firztspawn | though getting linux distros might save me some download on NZ servers |
| 00:24.07 | intrade | antitrust |
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| 00:24.31 | intrade | problem is nz servers are not up to date |
| 00:24.37 | Firztspawn | true |
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| 00:25.11 | Firztspawn | just for linux isos |
| 00:25.38 | intrade | i got latest kanotix thru local ftp link from a user who runs apache |
| 00:27.51 | damjan | i'm using KDE 3.5.2 on Slackware.. which means it's vanillla KDE no 3rdparty patches etc... |
| 00:27.57 | damjan | now I'm also using KDM with the 'Theme" support... |
| 00:28.02 | damjan | the question I have is it possible to have a user-list with KDM when using a theme? |
| 00:28.59 | Sho_ | Depends on the theme, I believe |
| 00:29.49 | gemidjy | anyone here actually using kwallet? |
| 00:29.57 | intrade | off to do some work |
| 00:30.30 | Sho_ | gemidjy: Basic usage, but yes |
| 00:30.35 | damjan | Sho_: yes, but I can't find a theme that works in my KDM |
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| 00:31.59 | gemidjy | Sho_ I ask this because I find it totally useless...I stored pass for my KMail accounts and It prompts me for the pass's every time KDE gets restarted (kdm)...then what is the point of kwallet system |
| 00:33.20 | Sho_ | gemidjy: The point of the KWallet system is a central storage of authentication data with a master password. I.e. I regularly open a few FTPs in Konq, and I have Jabber account set up in Kopete, and can use the same password for both. |
| 00:33.52 | gemidjy | well, ok, but do you type in the pass every time you request access to Kopete/Konqi ? |
| 00:34.10 | gemidjy | [no konqi, just kopete] |
| 00:34.56 | Sho_ | gemidjy: No, KWallet can be configured so that giving the master pw once "unlocks" the wallet for that session, and KWallet does the rest from that point on |
| 00:35.06 | Sho_ | gemidjy: "For that session" can also be "for this amount of time", IIRC |
| 00:35.17 | Sho_ | gemidjy: You could even create passwordless wallet, although that would be stupid of course |
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| 00:36.11 | gemidjy | I don't mind asking me the Kwallet accessing pass, I just find annoying to ask me password for 4 diff KMail accounts and + 4 diff Kopete accounts :) |
| 00:36.35 | Sho_ | gemidjy: Well, the point is that KWallet fills those in for you |
| 00:36.46 | gemidjy | it doesn't, at least not for me |
| 00:36.59 | Sho_ | gemidjy: Hm then the wallet system is not enabled perhaps |
| 00:37.08 | gemidjy | it is, positive |
| 00:37.19 | Sho_ | gemidjy: Look around in KControl -> Security & Privacy -> KDE Wallet |
| 00:37.47 | gemidjy | I know that :) |
| 00:37.53 | Sho_ | gemidjy: It's working very well for me, is all I can say .. |
| 00:37.59 | gemidjy | I just though there might be some hidden trick |
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| 00:38.11 | gemidjy | btw, how's Konvi 0.20 progressing? |
| 00:38.26 | Sho_ | gemidjy: Slower than I'd like due to collective lazyness |
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| 00:38.34 | gemidjy | :) |
| 00:38.45 | gemidjy | send them dangerous 3l33t virus |
| 00:38.50 | gemidjy | they will wake up |
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| 00:44.33 | theconartist | how do i get rid of the toolbar? |
| 00:45.24 | gemidjy | drag and drop |
| 00:45.25 | gemidjy | :)) |
| 00:45.46 | gemidjy | right click on it -> toolbars -> [uncheck] |
| 00:47.31 | theconartist | dont work |
| 00:47.53 | theconartist | there is no toolbars option |
| 00:47.54 | gemidjy | what kde version/distro |
| 00:47.59 | theconartist | 3.5 fedora |
| 00:48.09 | gemidjy | what you really want to remove ? |
| 00:48.19 | theconartist | the main toolbar |
| 00:48.27 | theconartist | the one with the big kde button, window list and all that |
| 00:48.37 | theconartist | pager, time, all that |
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| 00:56.14 | SavannahLion | I'm having issues with using Konqueror to browse into certain FTP servers. I'm not able to use Konqueror, but I can use the shell to get in. Any idea what's going on with that? |
| 00:56.23 | theconartist | nobody knows how? |
| 00:56.37 | gemidjy | theconartist you want to remove the Panel |
| 00:57.09 | gemidjy | but you have to have at least one, afaik |
| 00:57.39 | theconartist | that is dumb |
| 00:57.41 | hagabaka | how do I add a "Quickbrowser" into K Menu? the menu editor doesn't seem to let me do it |
| 00:57.45 | theconartist | and i do have one |
| 00:57.51 | theconartist | a menubar on the top |
| 00:57.52 | gemidjy | theconartist no worries there is hope |
| 00:58.01 | theconartist | also the damn unfied menu bar |
| 00:58.03 | theconartist | if i add an applet |
| 00:58.10 | theconartist | it immediately goes out of whack |
| 00:58.13 | theconartist | when nothing is touching it |
| 00:58.19 | gemidjy | KDE is opensource/free software, you can always hack it for your purposes |
| 00:58.25 | theconartist | i have an applet on the right side, it shoots to center of panel |
| 00:58.45 | theconartist | that is far beyond pointfull |
| 00:59.56 | gemidjy | :) |
| 01:00.00 | gemidjy | but there is hope |
| 01:00.20 | theconartist | no there isn't |
| 01:00.32 | gemidjy | why you want to remove all panels ? |
| 01:00.43 | theconartist | because i dont need/want them? |
| 01:00.49 | theconartist | i just want one menubar at the top |
| 01:00.59 | theconartist | that doubles as my menubar |
| 01:01.05 | theconartist | just like OS X |
| 01:01.11 | gemidjy | the menu from the currently open window at the top? |
| 01:01.17 | theconartist | yes |
| 01:01.17 | gemidjy | OS X has panels :) |
| 01:01.29 | theconartist | i know this... |
| 01:01.41 | gemidjy | would it be a problem if you manually hide the panel? |
| 01:01.42 | theconartist | that has no relevancy here |
| 01:01.54 | theconartist | it's pretty dumb that i have to |
| 01:01.55 | gemidjy | you are way too much philosophic for me, dude |
| 01:01.59 | theconartist | but that isn'tmybiggest problem |
| 01:02.03 | gemidjy | sorry, can't go on |
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| 01:02.36 | theconartist | i just want to figure out if i can keep the menubar from going out of whack.. |
| 01:03.17 | gemidjy | then you have missed the total point of the menubar_at_the_top option |
| 01:04.04 | backpocket | back. |
| 01:04.24 | theconartist | gemidjy, how is that? |
| 01:04.44 | gemidjy | well there are menubars and panels in KDE's desktop |
| 01:04.52 | theconartist | ok. |
| 01:05.01 | gemidjy | the menubar that can appear above is the menubar from the currently openned window |
| 01:05.11 | theconartist | yes |
| 01:05.22 | theconartist | i know this |
| 01:05.23 | gemidjy | you can make the panel look like it, just put it at the top and add what you need and remove what you don't |
| 01:05.43 | theconartist | but you cant make the panel the menu bar of the curreently open application |
| 01:05.46 | theconartist | ... |
| 01:06.56 | theconartist | and why does kde allow me to add applets and launchers, but not to do it without it breaking? |
| 01:07.53 | gemidjy | what you mean breaking? |
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| 01:09.59 | theconartist | the menu of the currently open application |
| 01:10.08 | theconartist | jumps to some unusable part of the menubar |
| 01:10.11 | theconartist | and you cant move it |
| 01:10.41 | theconartist | for exmaple if i add the clock applet andmove it to the far right, the menubar moves right of it |
| 01:10.56 | theconartist | so i have |
| 01:11.20 | theconartist | kmenu| | clock | menu |
| 01:11.54 | theconartist | what i wasnt is "kmenu | menu | | clock" |
| 01:12.25 | gemidjy | I see |
| 01:12.40 | gemidjy | all you have to do is drag and drop and that will reorganize the items |
| 01:12.49 | gemidjy | just find the handle of the applet on the panel |
| 01:13.12 | theconartist | there is none |
| 01:13.24 | gemidjy | be sure that the Panel is Unlocked |
| 01:13.26 | theconartist | menu is the menu's of the currently open app |
| 01:13.29 | theconartist | it is unlocked |
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| 01:13.43 | theconartist | no matter where i move the other applets the menubar is still in a crappy spot |
| 01:13.46 | gemidjy | on the left of the applet, not too far there is handle |
| 01:13.53 | theconartist | there is none |
| 01:13.56 | theconartist | end of story |
| 01:13.59 | theconartist | the menubar isn't an applet |
| 01:14.06 | gemidjy | well here it works |
| 01:14.12 | gemidjy | do two things |
| 01:14.23 | gemidjy | 1. get sure it is not kde 3.5.fedora bug |
| 01:14.32 | gemidjy | 2. ask on #fedora for the issue |
| 01:14.39 | gemidjy | since it works for me, it ain't KDE pure issue |
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| 01:14.48 | theconartist | give me a screenshot |
| 01:14.57 | theconartist | i want to see if you and i are talking about the same thing |
| 01:15.50 | gemidjy | just a second |
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| 01:18.21 | gemidjy | theconartist http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1200/best30vi.png |
| 01:19.52 | theconartist | try getting kmenu on the left of the menu |
| 01:20.00 | theconartist | thaat's what im doing |
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| 01:20.56 | gemidjy | I did |
| 01:21.46 | theconartist | not in that screenshot |
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| 01:22.04 | gemidjy | I did it now |
| 01:22.06 | gemidjy | and it works |
| 01:22.12 | gemidjy | now I have to sleep |
| 01:22.16 | plb | anyone know why I keep getting unknown host errors with ONLY kde apps |
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| 01:26.06 | plb | anyone? |
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| 01:31.24 | SavannahLion | plb, that sounds familiar. What are you trying to do? |
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| 01:55.14 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 01:55.27 | DaBlade | I just installed Debian, and it's got GDM as the default when booting up |
| 01:55.31 | DaBlade | how do I change it to KDM? |
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| 01:56.45 | lgsobalvarro | with baseconfig? |
| 01:57.20 | DaBlade | lgsobalvarro: How do I do so? |
| 01:57.27 | DaBlade | There's no command called that |
| 01:57.34 | lgsobalvarro | base-config |
| 01:57.43 | lgsobalvarro | or something like that |
| 01:57.44 | DaBlade | oh, right |
| 01:57.57 | DaBlade | No such app |
| 01:58.23 | DaBlade | Can't find anything with apt-cache search |
| 01:58.27 | DaBlade | are there any other ways? |
| 01:58.53 | lgsobalvarro | i dont know DaBlade i dont use debian 3 or 4 years ago |
| 01:59.06 | DaBlade | GNU/Linux in general? |
| 01:59.50 | lgsobalvarro | nop DaBlade, debian ;) i'm using suse right now |
| 02:00.00 | DaBlade | How is it done in SuSE? |
| 02:00.06 | DaBlade | Maybe it also applies here |
| 02:00.37 | lgsobalvarro | well DaBlade in suse if you want chage the DM you only need use YaST |
| 02:00.52 | DaBlade | damn. |
| 02:02.01 | plb | anyone use debian unstable in here? |
| 02:03.40 | lgsobalvarro | DaBlade maybe is: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 02:03.55 | DaBlade | I just asked in #debian, that's what they said |
| 02:03.58 | DaBlade | and it worked |
| 02:04.28 | plb | anyone run into unknown host errors with only kde apps? |
| 02:04.34 | lgsobalvarro | ok |
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| 02:06.27 | AssociateX | Hello people |
| 02:06.52 | lgsobalvarro | hi AssociateX |
| 02:07.45 | AssociateX | My BIOS clock is set correctly but when KDE comes up the clock is off. If I reset the clock on KDE my BIOS clock changes and is then wrong. How do I correct this. Gentoo. |
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| 02:23.42 | damjan | AssociateX: it's a gentoo question |
| 02:24.42 | damjan | AssociateX: btw your BiOS clock is not wrong, it's just in the UTC timezone |
| 02:25.07 | AssociateX | damjan, what do you mean? |
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| 02:28.59 | damjan | AssociateX: Unix/Linux keeps it's internal/system time in the UTC timezone |
| 02:28.59 | damjan | AssociateX: ..beacuse it's a multiuser system, and users can login from different timezones |
| 02:29.02 | damjan | AssociateX: so ... it's natural to keep the same UTC clock in the BIOS too |
| 02:29.49 | damjan | AssociateX: it converts to the local time only when displaying the time (what you see in KDE) |
| 02:31.04 | damjan | AssociateX: the benefit is, it never needs to change the BIOS and internal clocks for daylight saving |
| 02:32.36 | damjan | because it just calculates it (the DST) when time is displayed, according to the user specified timezone |
| 02:35.28 | Bambino | Not related to kde. but whilst on a ftp and i wanna copy everything from the ftp to my folder. what do I type? |
| 02:36.56 | damjan | Bambino: that depends on the ftp client |
| 02:37.05 | Bambino | damjan: via termnial |
| 02:37.30 | damjan | Bambino: if you use Konqueoror just select all the files and copy them to /home/.../ |
| 02:38.09 | damjan | Bambino: via terminal doesn't tell me which program you are using... it can be ncftp,curl,wget,ftp ? |
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| 02:39.31 | Bambino | ftp damjan |
| 02:40.22 | damjan | Bambino: I don't think the plain "ftp" program can do it, but I never use it |
| 02:40.33 | damjan | Bambino: ncftp is much better |
| 02:41.09 | Bambino | damjan: thanks |
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| 02:42.54 | AssociateX | in KDE how do I set the time zone and then have it take effect? |
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| 02:47.23 | dblitz | hello everyone.. |
| 02:47.55 | dblitz | can someone help me.. I try to start kde 3.5.2 from blackbox or by itself and it tells me that Could not start kdeinit.. |
| 02:48.12 | dblitz | I've been installing and uninstalling kde serveral times. |
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| 02:49.13 | stampede | dblitz: if you start kdeinit on a console, what happens? |
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| 02:57.07 | dblitz | one sec stampede |
| 02:57.27 | stampede | np |
| 02:57.29 | dblitz | it says error while loading shared libraries |
| 02:57.34 | dblitz | libqt-mt |
| 02:57.55 | stampede | either you forgot to install Qt, or you have the wrong version installed |
| 02:58.05 | stampede | do you have Qt 3.3.x installed? |
| 02:58.48 | dblitz | I installed just now |
| 02:58.51 | dblitz | let me see if it works |
| 02:59.09 | dblitz | not it seems to work |
| 02:59.43 | dblitz | I mean it now seems to work |
| 02:59.58 | dblitz | thanx |
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| 03:00.20 | dblitz | thats strange because I had the qt lib package and I thought it installed the whole time.. |
| 03:02.09 | stampede | perhaps you had Qt 4.0? |
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| 03:11.43 | backpocket | . |
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| 03:30.39 | Bambino | how do i unpack something .tar.bz ? |
| 03:32.17 | qupada | Bambino: tar.bz2? |
| 03:32.35 | Bambino | qupada: bz only |
| 03:32.44 | qupada | tar jxvf [file], or just open it with ark |
| 03:33.04 | Bambino | k |
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| 03:34.12 | qupada | run 'file [file.tar.bz' and see what kind of file it claims to be |
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| 03:44.36 | backpocket | anyone have any tips on speeding up ssh X11 forwarding? |
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| 03:46.12 | qupada | backpocket: get a faster network |
| 03:46.33 | qupada | unless you can do tcp compression, i'm not sure there is a way |
| 03:47.16 | backpocket | .... qupada I have a 6megabit connection, bidirectional |
| 03:47.19 | backpocket | on both ends. |
| 03:47.45 | backpocket | already doing compression... and changed encryption to arcfour (faster than 3des default) |
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| 03:49.18 | |main| | is klik website down? |
| 03:49.22 | |main| | can somebody check |
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| 03:51.42 | _bbeck | backpocket: Are you using FreeNX? It supposed to be quite fast. |
| 03:52.20 | backpocket | yea I've tried freeNX under debian - it is quite fast, though I do not need a whole desktop - just certain applications. Also on fedora core 5 which I am trying to use for this, freeNX is difficult to setup |
| 03:52.38 | backpocket | and you're right, freeNX is quiote fast |
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| 03:58.39 | caffei | hooray, I finally have stable composite with nVidia's driver. Goodbye fake transparency! .. well, for apps at least. ;^) |
| 04:02.25 | oggb4mp3 | can you run opengl stuff at the same time comp is on |
| 04:03.06 | qupada | caffei: upgraded to the few day old 8576 ? |
| 04:03.08 | caffei | yep, but the glxgears bench is a lot lower (not that it's a good benchmark; I haven't tried anything else yet). Fortunately, it's the same as w/o composite on my second X display. |
| 04:03.14 | caffei | qupada, yeah |
| 04:03.24 | caffei | 8756 actually |
| 04:03.42 | qupada | so it is |
| 04:03.45 | qupada | close enough |
| 04:04.17 | caffei | I had to add a few options to xorg.conf to make it stable though, and stop using the xv overlay entirely (now I use the opengl output with xine) |
| 04:05.03 | qupada | can't be a bad thing... xine being stuck back in the ice age with overlay video wasn't fun anyway |
| 04:05.22 | caffei | well, overlay is the fastest vo if your card still has one. |
| 04:05.30 | caffei | and uses the least cpu % |
| 04:05.45 | caffei | but it doesn't play nice with composite |
| 04:06.06 | qupada | yeah, but it removes the ability to take screenshots, and as you say, it aint transparency or shadow or anything friendly |
| 04:06.13 | caffei | indeed |
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| 04:21.28 | Bambino | anyone here with teamspeak?I wonder where i can locate it in the menu |
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| 04:22.12 | DeadS0ul | morning peep |
| 04:22.13 | DeadS0ul | pees |
| 04:22.15 | DeadS0ul | peeps |
| 04:22.35 | |main| | damn |
| 04:22.40 | |main| | kwin keeps on krashing |
| 04:22.46 | AssociateX | what is the KDE chat client called for IM? |
| 04:22.52 | |main| | kopete |
| 04:22.58 | AssociateX | thanks |
| 04:23.13 | Q-collective | konversation + bitlbee ;p |
| 04:24.39 | qupada | Q-collective: irssi + bitlbee here :D |
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| 04:26.27 | caffei | Figures; I spoke too soon. I switched to the second X display and boom! there goes my first one. :o |
| 04:27.29 | caffei | seems rather random though... always happens when kaffeine is running (but stopped), but it's not reliable. |
| 04:28.11 | DeadS0ul | kaffeine crashes a lot |
| 04:28.33 | caffei | it's not kaffeine crashing; this didn't happen with 8178 without kompmgr running on :0 |
| 04:29.27 | caffei | just started using composite on :0 with 8756, but maybe I'll end up not using it again. |
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| 04:29.58 | qupada | i had problems with mplayer back when i used transparent shite, haven't tried it since nvidia-glx-8xxx and xorg 7 though |
| 04:32.21 | caffei | it might be okay if you only use one X server; I'm kinda pushing things with two running and only one monitor. |
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| 04:41.33 | Q-collective | caffei: how is that pushing? |
| 04:41.55 | Q-collective | This system is multi-user, so I use multiple xservers all the time |
| 04:42.05 | caffei | Q-collective, I'm guessing that most people don't, though :) |
| 04:42.06 | Q-collective | unacceptable if things start crashing imho |
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| 04:42.29 | caffei | Q-collective, indeed, but composite is still considered experimental (at least with nVidia's drivers), I think. |
| 04:42.44 | Q-collective | yeah, don't use composite :-) |
| 04:42.48 | caffei | heh |
| 04:43.13 | Q-collective | I'm on the r300 driver, works nice but compositing sucks on it |
| 04:43.18 | Q-collective | no exa support :( |
| 04:43.34 | Q-collective | so, I was waiting for xgl support ^_^ |
| 04:43.34 | caffei | same here I think, although the exa module loads without complaint. |
| 04:43.53 | Q-collective | thought nvidia didn't use exa? |
| 04:43.53 | caffei | Xgl works here =) 3D apps are really pathetically slow with it, though. |
| 04:44.03 | Q-collective | really? |
| 04:44.06 | caffei | probably doesn't, but it loads anyways |
| 04:44.08 | caffei | yep |
| 04:44.09 | Q-collective | that's a little odd |
| 04:44.11 | Q-collective | :) |
| 04:44.28 | caffei | At least, Xgl and compiz worked with 8178 |
| 04:44.44 | caffei | haven't got around to trying Xgl yet since I've been messing with composite |
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| 04:44.46 | Q-collective | well, afaik the nvidia drivers use their own acceleration mechanism |
| 04:44.55 | Q-collective | which predates exa |
| 04:45.04 | Q-collective | but they could have switched ofcourse |
| 04:45.24 | caffei | well, it says in the Xorg log that it loads, and that's it -- no other messages. |
| 04:45.31 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 04:45.34 | caffei | so I'm guessing that it doesn't actually do anything |
| 04:45.48 | Q-collective | how usefull :-) |
| 04:46.00 | caffei | heh. doesn't show up in xdpyinfo either |
| 04:46.33 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 04:47.16 | Q-collective | I still haven't figured out how to get my DRI working again since I've updated to mesa 6.5 |
| 04:47.17 | Q-collective | :( |
| 04:48.28 | caffei | I gave up on DRI a few years ago :/ |
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| 04:49.30 | Q-collective | yeah well, the nv driver is kinda sucky indeed ;) |
| 04:50.13 | caffei | Aye. The r200 driver wasn't too bad for my Radeon 8500, but ATi's Windows drivers still kicked its ass performance-wise. |
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| 04:50.54 | Q-collective | yeah well, I don't have windows for comparison ;) |
| 04:51.28 | caffei | my installation broke about 1.5 years ago, and I just recently installed xp in a qemu vm, but the native inst is gone. |
| 04:52.15 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 04:52.28 | Q-collective | yeah, recently installed xp in vmware |
| 04:52.37 | Q-collective | just because I needed ms publisher ;( |
| 04:52.48 | qupada | i had xp in qemu, but i wasn't using it, so it got deleted |
| 04:53.15 | Q-collective | they are getting good with their genuine windows crap though |
| 04:53.22 | Q-collective | can't use winupdate anymore |
| 04:53.24 | caffei | I still use it for game installers that wine can't handle, but that's pretty much all it's useful for, since it's too slow and I refuse to use yet another proprietary kernel module. |
| 04:53.30 | Q-collective | so, it's gathering dust really |
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| 04:54.27 | Q-collective | oh yeah, recently updated my kernel and didn't bother to reconfigure vmware :-) |
| 04:54.47 | Q-collective | stupid things doesn't work half of the time anyway :\ |
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| 04:57.43 | |main| | mm |
| 04:57.44 | illogica1 | Q-collective especially when you don't don't have a module to load ;-) |
| 04:57.50 | |main| | i have an app |
| 04:57.58 | |main| | that wants me to install it as a root |
| 04:58.24 | |main| | but i dont want to run it as root, is it possible to fake it somehow? |
| 04:58.42 | Q-collective | illogica1: now, I wonder why :p |
| 04:59.18 | qupada | run "make install DESTDIR=~/foo" or something similar, you should be able to install it to a subfolder of your home directory like that |
| 04:59.26 | Q-collective | |main|: ./configure --prefix=~/bladibla |
| 04:59.28 | |main| | its a precompiled binary |
| 04:59.32 | Q-collective | ah |
| 04:59.34 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 04:59.34 | |main| | i cant compile it |
| 04:59.40 | |main| | its matlabs trial :) |
| 04:59.42 | Q-collective | download the source? |
| 04:59.45 | Q-collective | aargh |
| 04:59.46 | Q-collective | :p |
| 05:00.19 | |main| | chroot ? |
| 05:00.23 | Q-collective | sudo? |
| 05:00.36 | |main| | no, i just dont want it to litter all around |
| 05:00.51 | Q-collective | well |
| 05:00.53 | |main| | im gonna remove it after several days |
| 05:00.59 | Q-collective | have fun setting up a chroot then |
| 05:01.00 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 05:01.19 | |main| | cp -R * /chrooted :) ? |
| 05:01.43 | Q-collective | as a chroot, you'll need a system inthere |
| 05:01.48 | Q-collective | so :p |
| 05:01.52 | qupada | why install it at all then? |
| 05:02.01 | qupada | if it's a binary, just unpack and run it |
| 05:02.13 | |main| | it sets up some services or smth |
| 05:02.23 | |main| | it has a daemon or smth |
| 05:02.39 | qupada | start it manually, no big deal |
| 05:02.58 | qupada | you're complaining about needing root to install it, the daemon it installs will be running as root too |
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| 05:03.11 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 05:03.13 | |main| | probably |
| 05:03.32 | Q-collective | why on Earth does the deamon need to be running systemwide though? |
| 05:03.37 | |main| | license |
| 05:03.39 | Q-collective | sounds like a flaw in design |
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| 05:03.54 | |main| | yes, licence is the flaw:) |
| 05:04.04 | Q-collective | license daemon? |
| 05:04.09 | |main| | i think |
| 05:04.17 | Q-collective | err, whatever :-) |
| 05:04.37 | |main| | systemwide - because it can be run from a server by many users |
| 05:04.44 | |main| | and licence is per user, afaik |
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| 05:05.05 | Q-collective | iew |
| 05:05.13 | |main| | if only toolkits work with free alternatives |
| 05:05.13 | Q-collective | I hate commercial software :\ |
| 05:05.28 | Q-collective | then aagin, easy to circumvent |
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| 05:05.40 | |main| | how otherwise would they get paid |
| 05:05.45 | Q-collective | the license goes to user "mathlab" |
| 05:05.46 | Q-collective | ;) |
| 05:05.47 | wimp | is there a valgrind channel anywhere around? (tried irc.kde.org but that send me to freenode.net) |
| 05:06.29 | |main| | normally, commercial soft is better quality, though |
| 05:06.49 | Q-collective | in math software, I agree |
| 05:07.06 | |main| | in majority of cases |
| 05:07.16 | Q-collective | hardly |
| 05:07.18 | |main| | garbage 20$ shareware doesnt count |
| 05:07.46 | Q-collective | nero vs k3b, adobe (wine) vs gimp/krita, adobe pdf reader vs kpdf |
| 05:07.50 | Q-collective | opensource wins |
| 05:07.53 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 05:08.11 | |main| | adobe kills opensource, what are you talking about |
| 05:08.33 | |main| | adobe acrobat doesnt even have any competition :) |
| 05:08.39 | Q-collective | sure |
| 05:08.47 | |main| | of course, id rather use krita than photoshop |
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| 05:09.05 | |main| | but would a professional do that? |
| 05:09.21 | |main| | nero is better btw:) |
| 05:09.26 | Firztspawn | pfft |
| 05:09.29 | |main| | although linux version blows |
| 05:09.30 | tarmath | man all those apps are way better than their open source equals |
| 05:09.36 | Firztspawn | k3b owns it easily |
| 05:09.37 | |main| | and lately its getting bloated |
| 05:09.44 | |main| | no it does not |
| 05:09.47 | tarmath | k3b is hot |
| 05:09.49 | Firztspawn | nero 4 linux sux |
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| 05:09.55 | |main| | nero 4 linux sucks |
| 05:10.02 | tarmath | but it's shit in face of nero... |
| 05:10.04 | |main| | but the windows version kills k3b |
| 05:10.23 | Firztspawn | it would be interesting to see that |
| 05:10.28 | |main| | there are some isos i cant even open with k3b |
| 05:10.32 | Firztspawn | k3b vs nero on winblows |
| 05:10.38 | |main| | nero burns them w/o asking me a question |
| 05:10.54 | Firztspawn | what sort of iso? |
| 05:10.54 | |main| | k3b is just a frontend, anyway |
| 05:11.09 | Firztspawn | probably proprietary |
| 05:11.09 | |main| | Firztspawn: some stuff i downloaded |
| 05:11.20 | Firztspawn | like what? |
| 05:11.23 | |main| | Q-collective: dont be so close minded |
| 05:11.39 | |main| | Firztspawn: trials of commercial software |
| 05:11.43 | Q-collective | |main|: I just compare software in my living world |
| 05:11.45 | tarmath | Q-collective: you just compared... |
| 05:11.56 | |main| | Q-collective: thats being close minded |
| 05:12.05 | Firztspawn | what wer they?? .mds files |
| 05:12.05 | |main| | software is software |
| 05:12.09 | |main| | no, .iso |
| 05:12.13 | Q-collective | tarmath: I just took adobe under wine as an example, since it runs in wine |
| 05:12.21 | Q-collective | |main|: whatever |
| 05:12.23 | Firztspawn | k3b opens iso easily |
| 05:12.29 | |main| | some, not all |
| 05:12.37 | Firztspawn | you probably did something wrong |
| 05:12.38 | tarmath | why would you run adobe in wine anyway? |
| 05:12.43 | |main| | no, i didnt |
| 05:12.47 | |main| | i just downloaded it:) |
| 05:12.57 | |main| | opened with magicISO just fine |
| 05:12.59 | Firztspawn | same reason some people run Internet Explorer in WINE |
| 05:13.03 | |main| | nero burnt it just fine |
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| 05:13.35 | tarmath | kpdf doesnt show the documents im looking at correctly haf the time, it messes up the layer order |
| 05:14.02 | tarmath | thats off topic |
| 05:14.10 | Q-collective | tarmath: really? never had issues with kpdf |
| 05:14.14 | |main| | i would investigate, Firztspawn, but i dont know how |
| 05:14.15 | Q-collective | really, *never* |
| 05:14.21 | tarmath | you want a link? |
| 05:14.22 | |main| | it was just two isos, anyway |
| 05:14.26 | |main| | tarmath: go ahead |
| 05:14.41 | Q-collective | tarmath: then again, I have kpdf linked with poppler |
| 05:15.06 | tarmath | http://aikidodelamont.com/stage-0506.pdf |
| 05:15.33 | tarmath | in adobe reader, it shows as intended to be, in kpdf it looks like shit |
| 05:15.42 | |main| | u live in mtl? |
| 05:15.46 | |main| | i know this place. |
| 05:16.05 | |main| | mileend :) ? |
| 05:16.06 | tarmath | i dont live in mtl but I go there for aikido seminars |
| 05:16.47 | |main| | it looks ok here |
| 05:17.30 | tarmath | here it doesnt render a single thing correctly |
| 05:17.32 | |main| | looks identical to adobe reader |
| 05:17.35 | tarmath | not even the text |
| 05:17.45 | Q-collective | tarmath: http://q-collective.org/screenshots/kpdf-2006-04-09.png |
| 05:17.46 | |main| | something is wrong with ur install then |
| 05:17.50 | Q-collective | should it look like that? |
| 05:17.54 | |main| | i just verified and it works ok |
| 05:18.23 | tarmath | which version of kpdf do you have? |
| 05:18.34 | Q-collective | 3.5.2, linked with poppler |
| 05:18.53 | |main| | no wonder Q-collective is a little weird:) |
| 05:18.56 | |main| | look at his fonts:) |
| 05:19.05 | Q-collective | heh |
| 05:19.11 | |main| | i would go mental after an hour of looking at it:) |
| 05:19.46 | tarmath | which version of kpdf, not kde |
| 05:19.56 | Q-collective | lol, you would go mental if I told you what fonts I use for irc :p |
| 05:20.35 | Q-collective | tarmath: kpdf uses paarllel version, only with 0, instead of 3 |
| 05:20.39 | Q-collective | so, 0.5.2 |
| 05:20.47 | |main| | basically. |
| 05:20.47 | tarmath | hrm, i got 0.4.3 |
| 05:20.57 | |main| | i came to an important conclusion |
| 05:21.00 | Q-collective | parallel versions* |
| 05:21.03 | Q-collective | gah ;( |
| 05:21.28 | tarmath | well, im nevertheless very pleased that they made progress |
| 05:21.42 | |main| | im curious |
| 05:21.50 | |main| | why ppl who write open source do it |
| 05:21.56 | |main| | ok, its obvious with apache |
| 05:22.05 | |main| | and similar projects |
| 05:22.17 | tarmath | cause they enjoy it? |
| 05:22.58 | |main| | probably, but i guess thats not all |
| 05:23.15 | tarmath | well, it's the important part |
| 05:23.18 | |main| | writing large projects ends up being pretty mundane |
| 05:23.28 | tarmath | additional reasons depend from person to person |
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| 05:25.11 | Q-collective | |main|: in general, there are two basic concepts of why opensource is considered important: the one is the philosophical GNU way, which says that free (free speech, not free beer) software is ethically important . The other just sees opensource as a practical way to develop software. |
| 05:25.40 | |main| | does GPL allow you to take software, modify it |
| 05:25.49 | |main| | compile it, and sell binaries w/o sources? |
| 05:25.57 | Q-collective | no |
| 05:26.02 | |main| | then its free beer |
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| 05:26.21 | smid | is there like a `msconfig' for kde? where it allows ou to configure startup services? |
| 05:26.43 | qupada | you can sell anything you like, but you have to include the source, and the person you sell it to has the same rights to use and sell it however they like |
| 05:26.57 | |main| | then u cant sell it much |
| 05:27.11 | Q-collective | no, it enforces freedom pro-actively. You could say the BSD license ("here is the code, do whatever the hell you like with it but say we wrote it") is a lot *less* free then the gpl license |
| 05:27.14 | |main| | copies will end up in free circulation |
| 05:27.26 | |main| | and there is nothing you can do |
| 05:27.53 | |main| | Q-collective: what i meant, its difficult to sell GPLed product |
| 05:27.57 | |main| | and make money:) |
| 05:27.57 | Q-collective | |main|: now, who is being close minded? ;) |
| 05:28.23 | |main| | well, companies would like to get paid, so that they can pay their employees |
| 05:28.31 | Q-collective | seems that redhat, ivm, novell and sun are making good profits with gpl or other comparable licenses ;) |
| 05:28.38 | Q-collective | s/ivm/ibm/ |
| 05:28.49 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 05:28.57 | qupada | Q-collective: we have to be careful around that topic though |
| 05:29.11 | qupada | they are selling service and support, not products |
| 05:29.14 | |main| | solaris is GPLed? |
| 05:29.25 | Q-collective | |main|: comparable license |
| 05:29.30 | |main| | all of those companies you mentioned, except for ibm |
| 05:29.34 | Q-collective | qupada: the way it should be |
| 05:29.36 | |main| | arent doing well financially |
| 05:30.26 | JohnBat26 | Hi all |
| 05:30.28 | Q-collective | |main|: define "doing well", since last time I checked they were making profits |
| 05:30.36 | |main| | of course they are |
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| 05:30.45 | JohnBat26 | My kopete don't connnect to yahoo !!!! |
| 05:30.56 | Q-collective | JohnBat26: version? |
| 05:30.58 | qupada | novell remember makes winshit products too |
| 05:31.04 | |main| | im involved with accounting/audit industry, and can tell you, that a lot of things can be tweaked for appearence |
| 05:31.10 | qupada | ibm makes hardware |
| 05:31.13 | qupada | sun make hardware |
| 05:31.29 | qupada | redhat, despite doing neither, seem to be doing alright |
| 05:31.40 | JohnBat26 | version 0.11.92 |
| 05:31.45 | JohnBat26 | KDE 3.4 |
| 05:31.47 | JohnBat26 | SUSE 10 |
| 05:32.20 | qupada | oh, and don't forget, sun will sell you redhat enterprise linux on your x86-64 server if you ask for it... that's service and support business for redhat right there |
| 05:32.41 | Q-collective | :) |
| 05:33.05 | |main| | redhat liabilites grew faster than its assets |
| 05:33.09 | |main| | its not a good sign. |
| 05:33.27 | |main| | net tangible assets also fell. |
| 05:33.35 | Q-collective | |main|: besides, I don't have a capitalistic mindset, so I don't have the attitude that shortterm profit is important. In the middle and long term however, the strategies they set out are going to kick ass though ;) |
| 05:33.39 | Q-collective | oh well |
| 05:33.44 | Q-collective | I'm heading off |
| 05:33.48 | Q-collective | nn all |
| 05:34.05 | |main| | people need to eat, it is my sole argument:) |
| 05:35.48 | qupada | i could create a longwinded argument involving anecdotes about eating, and what Q-collective said about setting up long term strategies, but i'm too lazy |
| 05:36.25 | |main| | heeh |
| 05:36.27 | |main| | anyway |
| 05:36.33 | |main| | GN |
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| 05:36.46 | qupada | night |
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| 05:40.39 | lasindi | Hi all, is the <blink> tag unimplemented in Konqueror, or is there just a configuration for it that turns it off by default? |
| 05:43.00 | mobtek | I didn't think blink was valid html any more |
| 05:45.14 | YggdrasilOS | the <blink> tag was obsoleted by general consensus, as it pissed off just about everyone who encountered it in use |
| 05:45.22 | lasindi | Yeah, but |
| 05:45.39 | lasindi | there's also the CSS text-decoration:blink; attribute, and it appears unimplemented |
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| 05:45.51 | lasindi | And that *is* standard (by the W3c) |
| 05:45.55 | YggdrasilOS | ho-freaking-ray for that |
| 05:46.09 | YggdrasilOS | the longer that "feature" goes unimplemented, the better |
| 05:46.47 | lasindi | Heh |
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| 05:47.06 | lasindi | Yeah, I almost always dislike blinking text, |
| 05:47.22 | lasindi | but I think I found a use for it that is not extremely annoying |
| 05:47.48 | YggdrasilOS | ...i'm pretty sure you haven't |
| 05:47.53 | grepper | heh |
| 05:48.17 | lasindi | It's basically a simulation of a Linux prompt, and I want the cursor to blink. |
| 05:48.32 | YggdrasilOS | oh |
| 05:48.35 | YggdrasilOS | that's... |
| 05:48.40 | lasindi | Do you find a blinking cursor extremely annoying? |
| 05:48.42 | YggdrasilOS | well bugger, you found the loophole |
| 05:48.56 | YggdrasilOS | good job |
| 05:48.57 | lasindi | Yay :) |
| 05:49.40 | mobtek | hahah |
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| 05:50.10 | YggdrasilOS | note that that is the first, last, and *only* loophole to the "<blink> is f*cking annoying, don't ever use it" rule |
| 05:50.27 | lasindi | I agree |
| 05:52.05 | mhall | lol you guys; hehehe |
| 05:53.25 | YggdrasilOS | oh, a quick couple of questions |
| 05:53.39 | lasindi | I'm a programmer; do any of you have any idea how long it would take to implement the blink tag in KHTML? |
| 05:53.56 | YggdrasilOS | 1) what's a good KDE typing-tutor program, and on a related note, 2) how do i change the keyboard layout within KDE (or is that even possible?) |
| 05:54.12 | mhall | lasindi: it's not there? |
| 05:54.33 | lasindi | mhall: unless there's a configuration I can't find, no, it's not there |
| 05:54.40 | YggdrasilOS | <blink> was obsoleted a while ago, for obvious reasons :P |
| 05:54.41 | mhall | YggdrasilOS: ktouch - touch typing tutor for KDE |
| 05:55.01 | mhall | is <blink> part of the standards |
| 05:55.34 | YggdrasilOS | perhaps i should elaborate: <blink> was obsoleted by the W3C a while ago, for obvious reasons |
| 05:55.39 | mhall | YggdrasilOS: kb layout should be changeable |
| 05:55.58 | lasindi | mhall: I don't believe so, but I know the CSS attribute is |
| 05:56.03 | YggdrasilOS | i'm trying to see if i can quick-swap between dvorak-us and qwerty-us |
| 05:56.17 | YggdrasilOS | (trying to learn dvorak) |
| 05:56.29 | DeadS0ul | holy crap, kaffeine got and upgrade(@#U&)@# |
| 05:56.44 | YggdrasilOS | and my khelpcenter is borken, for some reason |
| 05:56.51 | mhall | DeadS0ul: pretty good one i might add |
| 05:56.54 | YggdrasilOS | so i can't RTFM, ATM |
| 05:57.02 | mhall | YggdrasilOS: people tell me quickswap is very dangerous |
| 05:57.19 | mhall | YggdrasilOS: makes it so you can't type right on either KB |
| 05:57.23 | DeadS0ul | true =D |
| 05:57.54 | mhall | YggdrasilOS: kcontrol -> regional + accessibility -> KB layout |
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| 05:58.38 | mhall | what i *hate* is the german layout's reversed Y and Z |
| 05:58.48 | mhall | fucks me up bad when i've got to type auf Deutscg |
| 05:58.51 | mhall | Deutsch* |
| 05:59.19 | mhall | additionally studies show dvorak does nothing for you |
| 05:59.30 | mhall | the only studies in favor were done by dvorak |
| 05:59.30 | pembo13 | how exactly does kmail store mail ? I coped over .kde/share/apps/kmail from a previous install but all I get is an index of the messages, when i click on one i get no message |
| 05:59.54 | mhall | pembo13: there's a folder of goodies in there, it should have worked |
| 06:00.11 | mhall | pembo13: maybe you lost kmailrc so it's confused |
| 06:00.40 | pembo13 | mhall: i thought so too, i used rsync to copy my entire home dir |
| 06:00.41 | pembo13 | hm |
| 06:00.47 | pembo13 | where is that file normall? |
| 06:02.46 | pembo13 | found it, thanks |
| 06:02.57 | YggdrasilOS | mhall: i looked there, it only lets me swap between qwerty-us and JP |
| 06:03.11 | YggdrasilOS | am i missing a layout? |
| 06:04.04 | YggdrasilOS | okay, nvm, it's not even presenting that tab |
| 06:05.24 | YggdrasilOS | i must be missing a package from modular KDE...but which? ugh |
| 06:05.48 | mhall | pembo13: that's messed up |
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| 06:10.40 | pembo13 | dammit |
| 06:10.43 | pembo13 | that's a lot of lost mail |
| 06:11.02 | YggdrasilOS | i'll try dvorak for myself and see |
| 06:11.19 | YggdrasilOS | but meanwhile, gotta figure out why KDE's being stupid about keyboard layouts |
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| 06:15.53 | mhall | pembo13: there's got to be some way to pull its head out its butt |
| 06:16.52 | Workaphobia | I just switched to the latest kopete beta - anyone know where I could get a gaim theme for it? |
| 06:17.00 | Workaphobia | everything else hurts my eyes |
| 06:17.03 | mhall | gaim? hibt? |
| 06:17.24 | Workaphobia | hibt? |
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| 06:22.21 | sarath_lakshman | hi |
| 06:22.27 | sarath_lakshman | i hav a prob with kdm |
| 06:22.38 | sarath_lakshman | when i try to login |
| 06:22.44 | sarath_lakshman | itrestarts kdm |
| 06:22.54 | sarath_lakshman | please help |
| 06:23.44 | sarath_lakshman | hey anyone here |
| 06:26.28 | mhall | sarath_lakshman: you also have a problem with your return key-- it gets depressed mid-sentence |
| 06:26.53 | sarath_lakshman | ?? |
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| 06:28.23 | Ardonik | It's a clever way of saying "slow down and type complete sentences, please" |
| 06:28.46 | sarath_lakshman | ok |
| 06:29.09 | backpocket | heh |
| 06:29.31 | sarath_lakshman | my problem is: when i try to login it goes to a default background screen, the pauses for few second and restarts kdm |
| 06:30.04 | sarath_lakshman | how can i solve this? |
| 06:31.16 | backpocket | mhall, you aware of any way to speed up "ssh -YC -c arcfour ..." trying to run firefox remotely/encrypted. 6megabit connection at A and Z points... the ssh server is a 3GHz box with 1 gig of ram.. takes a good 2mins to run firefox.Once it comes up, browsing is realtively fast overall - but the first 2mins kills me. |
| 06:32.42 | sarath_lakshman | no answers here?? so i'm leaving |
| 06:32.59 | backpocket | sarath_lakshman, is that a threat, ora promise..? |
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| 06:37.49 | jinx0r | are there any signifigant changes from kde 3.4 to 3.5 |
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| 06:42.57 | Firztspawn | mainly menu layout |
| 06:43.04 | Firztspawn | slight changes there |
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| 06:47.34 | Hellmark[RS] | quick question, just update from 3.4 to 3.5, and now, when I load up the home sidebar in Konqueror, it shows every archive in with the folders. Is there any way to have it list only the folders in the home directory, like it used to? |
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| 06:56.40 | mhall | backpocket: i have bad luck with performance in SSH |
| 06:57.02 | mhall | backpocket: maybe you could try VPN instead |
| 06:57.18 | mhall | but VPN sucks to set up |
| 06:57.24 | backpocket | mhall, I can do most things very fast with ssh using tunnel port redirects (essentially using the ssh server as a router) |
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| 06:57.42 | backpocket | but for running X apps off the SSH server and routing the gui to me, that's the only sluggish part I got left |
| 06:58.00 | mhall | backpocket: well that's bandwidth hungry and SSH links are slow so i'm not surprised |
| 06:58.07 | mhall | backpocket: is it faster if you use VNC? |
| 06:58.27 | mhall | backpocket: i doubt it's any better but you can try it, plus vnc is encrypted by itself if you use the proper release |
| 06:58.38 | backpocket | well I dont want/need a whole remote desktop ala freeNX |
| 06:58.49 | mhall | backpocket: ok nevermind then |
| 06:58.58 | backpocket | mhall, I fwd a port inbound from the public to my SSH box |
| 06:59.12 | backpocket | so I can reach my work-WAN behind the corporate gfirewall |
| 06:59.20 | backpocket | ..from home |
| 06:59.46 | backpocket | the oprt redirect works well for vnc and rdp |
| 06:59.48 | backpocket | port* |
| 07:00.20 | backpocket | but sometimes I want to run encrypted apps off the sh server itself (not redirect from the ssh server off to another box..) and that's the only sluggish part left |
| 07:00.27 | mhall | RDP is obviously the best solution because it has the smartest protocol of course though it's not supported on linux since it's proprietary as fucking hell |
| 07:00.35 | backpocket | I'm just bean-counting tweaking -- I do this when I am bored. |
| 07:00.47 | backpocket | well rdp works fine for reaching other win boxes |
| 07:00.55 | backpocket | off the ssh session redirected tunnel |
| 07:00.57 | backpocket | as does vnc |
| 07:01.01 | mhall | right and it's way way faster than any of the unix approaches by far |
| 07:01.21 | backpocket | pretty quick with the bandwidth I got + the arcfour encryption which is speedy |
| 07:01.26 | mhall | because it's better protocol-- it has understanding of the gui widgets instead of just thinking 'ooh great big bitmap of screen' |
| 07:01.34 | backpocket | yea |
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| 07:01.51 | mhall | one of my friends is being a real cock |
| 07:01.55 | backpocket | freeNX is rather annoying to install on fc5 from what I have read I want to wait a bit for that to settle down |
| 07:02.03 | mhall | i asked some simple favors from him and he played video games all day instead |
| 07:02.07 | backpocket | and I really dont need a whole desktop - so freenX is overkill for me |
| 07:02.21 | backpocket | ssh works rather well as a vpn substitute |
| 07:02.21 | mhall | he expects me to help convert his system to linux tomorrow instead of doing my homework |
| 07:02.24 | mhall | fuck him anyway |
| 07:02.30 | backpocket | i haven't been able to get a vpn client working in linux |
| 07:02.52 | backpocket | what favor? |
| 07:02.58 | mhall | yeah not very easy to do and there are some very interesting weirdnesses one must consider |
| 07:03.07 | RockT | morning |
| 07:03.12 | mhall | like, some asshole with no insurance rear-ended my truck and damaged the frame |
| 07:03.17 | mhall | so i have nothing to drive |
| 07:03.21 | backpocket | mhall, you mean with a vpn client? yea big issues trying to get that going |
| 07:03.34 | backpocket | I tried rather hard trying to get citrix client running on linux 0- that failed too |
| 07:03.39 | mhall | meanwhile i have this eye infection developing and i need some drops because my eyes are killing me |
| 07:03.47 | mhall | and he won't drive me to the store to get drops |
| 07:03.50 | backpocket | the latest citrix client insisted on an older version of openmotif...... I had to downgrade - shit still didnt work |
| 07:04.09 | backpocket | ouch mhall |
| 07:04.30 | mhall | then also yesterday i asked for help moving some furniture- he promised to come help but watched tv and played games instead and showed up after i went to bed forcing me to have to wake up from bed to do it |
| 07:04.44 | backpocket | sounds like he is a fair weather friend |
| 07:04.48 | backpocket | I've had plenty of those |
| 07:04.50 | mhall | then also, i have this serious problem that stresses me out, my mom calls me and blames me for this car accident |
| 07:05.05 | mhall | and i needed somebody to complain to for just a couple of minutes |
| 07:05.13 | mhall | but of course video games are more important |
| 07:05.28 | Firztspawn | what video game? |
| 07:05.32 | mhall | the most fucked up part is i was planning on sharing my college graduation party with him |
| 07:05.32 | backpocket | i'd reevalutate your classification of him as a friend imho |
| 07:05.44 | mhall | and he'd been a good friend up until now |
| 07:05.51 | mhall | so this is going to cause a fucking problem |
| 07:06.07 | Workaphobia | so set up linux on his machine and keep the administrator password for yourself. Then take incremental revenge as you see fit. |
| 07:07.02 | RockT | I accidently deleted the trash folder on my desktop, how can I restore it? |
| 07:07.21 | mhall | i can't believe my damn mom. she calls up knowing nothing about the accident not being there when it happened, then starts insisting it's my fault that me and another friend got sore backs and necks and need some medical help, and insists it would not have occurred if i used turn signals (bullshit you bitch- i did) and then gets pissed at me when i disagree |
| 07:07.33 | mhall | and my friend too, what an asshole he's turned out to be |
| 07:07.55 | mhall | RockT: drag over a new one from konqueror |
| 07:08.04 | mhall | Workaphobia: easier just to do nothing |
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| 07:08.32 | backpocket | ...sounds like a lot of confusion |
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| 07:10.04 | Hellmark[RS] | mhall, that really sucks, I know how it is though, have had alot of that myself. Not fun |
| 07:10.05 | RockT | mhall, I can copy or move but I just get a normal folder |
| 07:10.10 | mhall | how the fuck she believe i could be at fault for getting hit from behind certainly does baffle me |
| 07:10.17 | mhall | RockT: er weird |
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| 07:10.55 | mhall | the best part is in a few months i have my own fulltime job and i can just not call her back or answer the phone =) |
| 07:11.26 | Hellmark[RS] | anyone know how to have the home sidebar in konqueror show only directories, and not archives? |
| 07:12.14 | backpocket | mhall, respect for parents is earned not given freely imho |
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| 07:12.31 | mhall | backpocket: good call |
| 07:12.42 | backpocket | Not that one should be outrightly disrespectful ... but either respectful, or distant... |
| 07:12.56 | mhall | that's what's great about IRC, i can go on a tear and most people understand |
| 07:13.10 | backpocket | netiher me nor my wife have spoen to our parents in yrs. |
| 07:13.13 | backpocket | spoken* |
| 07:13.15 | mhall | this channel's definitely the most chill one i have been on so far |
| 07:13.40 | mhall | people come here, they chat, hang out, try to help with questions even if they're not purely KDE, etc. |
| 07:13.53 | mhall | a very good environment; i hope my presence is not polluting it =) |
| 07:13.55 | backpocket | so far I haven't seen too much of the high-&-mighty RTFM'ers |
| 07:14.15 | mhall | i'm OK with an RTFM occasionally, some people really need to just fucking google it |
| 07:14.23 | mhall | but at the same time no need to get out of hand |
| 07:14.25 | backpocket | the penguins with their beaks shoved up their own a$$es smelling what they think is roses. |
| 07:14.30 | backpocket | ..you know the type. |
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| 07:14.51 | mhall | i especially avoid saying rtfm about finding software because i'm good at hunting and it's hard when you don't know the proper vocabulary |
| 07:14.57 | backpocket | oh I agree... you shouldn't ask until you've spent 3+ hrs on google and reading man pages. |
| 07:15.33 | Workaphobia | I don't measure it by hours, but by how exhausted and depressed you feel after a decent manpage hunt |
| 07:15.44 | backpocket | 9.5/10 of my problems I've solved on my own... and a good 35% of them were really difficult ones that hurt and took a long time |
| 07:15.54 | mhall | it wouldn't be unix without those |
| 07:16.12 | backpocket | well yea I dont think it should be metered... |
| 07:16.19 | backpocket | i.e. 3hrs... 3.2 hrs.. |
| 07:16.27 | mhall | but you metered it first :-P |
| 07:16.35 | backpocket | for example... setting up a vpn client for sonicwall on linux? Yea I gave up on that. |
| 07:16.43 | backpocket | Using SSH tunneling as an alternative. |
| 07:16.53 | backpocket | yea mhall :) |
| 07:17.06 | mhall | point to point tunneling protocol isn't bad if you have linux 2.6 with PPP MPPE compression enabled |
| 07:17.16 | mhall | but L2TP will make you wish you were not ever even born |
| 07:17.19 | backpocket | well with linux boxes on both ends, yea I'm sure its easier |
| 07:17.28 | backpocket | but in my world, I have to hook up to a sonicwall |
| 07:17.31 | mhall | irony is of course that PPTP is entirely insecure |
| 07:17.51 | mhall | backpocket: right-o but i meant with Linux as client bool-or server, that setup is the key |
| 07:17.58 | backpocket | I'm happy with ssh from linunx... from windows, the sonicwall global vpn client works fine, of course. |
| 07:18.24 | mhall | some cock-knockers released a linux GUI vpn client that's supposed to get the job done |
| 07:18.34 | backpocket | one day if I have the time, I'd love to try to set up a samba domain controller to rerplace my 2k3 servers :) |
| 07:18.59 | mhall | yeah with the latest version about to hit the decks this will apparently be supported or close to supported |
| 07:19.08 | mhall | those samba people are obscenely dedicated |
| 07:19.26 | backpocket | I dont use samba to mount shares anymore... use cifs (faster) |
| 07:19.32 | mhall | they have to reverse engineer everything, many times with byte orders wrong, sessions encrypted, ack, just horrible horrible stuff |
| 07:19.33 | backpocket | but samba has its place |
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| 07:19.43 | mhall | uh you are confusing samba with smb |
| 07:19.53 | mhall | samba -> supports smb and cifs |
| 07:20.01 | backpocket | I thought they were part of the whole |
| 07:20.17 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 07:20.18 | mhall | well cifs is really just like the next release of smb |
| 07:20.28 | mhall | M$ just named it all wonky to try to make more $ |
| 07:20.34 | backpocket | I do mount -t cifs //windows/share /local/path -o username=blah,uid=myuser |
| 07:20.47 | mhall | backpocket: right-o that's because client is in kernel |
| 07:20.49 | backpocket | used to do smbmount |
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| 07:21.04 | mhall | backpocket: yeah but smbmount is not what you are supposed to do |
| 07:21.13 | backpocket | howso (curious) |
| 07:21.19 | backpocket | meaning, why is smbmount "bad" |
| 07:21.24 | mhall | This command is designed to be run from within /bin/mount by giving |
| 07:21.24 | mhall | the option '-t smbfs'. For example: mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test |
| 07:21.42 | mhall | if you don't believe me read the output from a plain jane run of your smbmount binary |
| 07:21.50 | mhall | you will see the above notification |
| 07:22.00 | mhall | so really the parallel commands would be as follows |
| 07:22.15 | mhall | mount -t cifs //windows/share /local/path -o username=blah,uid=myuser -AND- mount -t smbfs //windows/share /local/path -o username=blah,uid=myuser |
| 07:22.34 | mhall | if you look in the kernel config you will see following stuff |
| 07:22.57 | mhall | CONFIG_CIFS=y |
| 07:23.08 | mhall | CONFIG_SMB_FS=y |
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| 07:23.34 | mhall | they are simply kernel clients that talk over the network in the CIFS or SMB protocols and then put it into your directory tree |
| 07:23.48 | mhall | so really what mount does is simply pass stuff into the kernel with the right syscalls |
| 07:24.07 | backpocket | so smb was doing it wrong |
| 07:24.11 | backpocket | yet the result worked |
| 07:24.50 | mhall | well the calls you use and arguments you pass are fs-specific |
| 07:24.58 | mhall | different fses require different calls and options |
| 07:25.02 | backpocket | ah |
| 07:25.07 | mhall | so in fact, mount uses smbmount to make the smb calls |
| 07:25.15 | backpocket | so mount passes it the kernel making the fs irrelevant |
| 07:25.17 | backpocket | i see |
| 07:25.26 | mhall | and uses mount.cifs to make the cifs calls |
| 07:25.39 | mhall | but in the end, once it's mounted, everything is almost transparent |
| 07:26.02 | mhall | the mount process is fs-specific, but reading writing creating, and directory stuff, and link stuff, these apis are fs-independent |
| 07:26.21 | mhall | each fs does it differently down below but the higher parts of the kernel and the c library don't need to know |
| 07:26.25 | backpocket | about 3 yrs ago I endeavoured to rid myself of the need for windows ... 3 yrs later I'm 97$ there. |
| 07:26.29 | backpocket | 97% even |
| 07:26.39 | mhall | all you have got to look for if you're a C programmer is error codes from your fs functions |
| 07:26.53 | mhall | like if you make a symbolic link on SMB, that will fail with an error code |
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| 07:27.10 | backpocket | yea I got that mhall - almost like a superserver -- the fs is not relevant at the kernel level ... the fs takes care of itself without a virtualization as smb I suppose was doing |
| 07:27.14 | mhall | but if you do it on any of the other oses that support em, the call behaves the same way on each working fs |
| 07:27.34 | mhall | this is the basic idea behind kernels and C libraries in unix |
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| 07:27.39 | mhall | and the POSIX specs |
| 07:27.50 | mhall | once you have these layers taken care of right |
| 07:27.58 | mhall | everything else just falls into place pretty naturally |
| 07:28.18 | mhall | so it's actually good you brought up your example |
| 07:28.27 | backpocket | it is? |
| 07:28.28 | mhall | because you really struck at the heart of the unix philosophy |
| 07:28.43 | mhall | it was a good way to explore the way unix thinks about things |
| 07:28.56 | mhall | and good software design in general tends to work the same way |
| 07:29.09 | mhall | you have modules which make deals with each other about how they interface |
| 07:29.21 | mhall | and some modules will take care of dirty work and hide how it's done |
| 07:29.35 | mhall | and other modules just talk to the module and the problem is taken care of, like a black box |
| 07:29.40 | backpocket | yea, core services passing instructions down, leveraging existing virtualizations which handle themselves irrespective of the writes/reads... |
| 07:29.44 | mhall | you don't care how it does it, you just know it works |
| 07:30.09 | backpocket | similar to the babel fish in Hithiker's guide to the galaxy |
| 07:30.14 | backpocket | ...or the universal translator :) |
| 07:30.35 | Q-collective | hhgttg++ |
| 07:30.40 | mhall | right about the fish-- this is also a good reason why we have the old joke: those who fail to learn unix are doomed to reinvent it poorly |
| 07:31.03 | Q-collective | :) |
| 07:31.07 | mhall | because the design principle unix used to get the job done is about the best there is |
| 07:31.23 | mhall | so if you ignore this idea and go off on a tangent you're pretty much guaranteed to do worse |
| 07:31.38 | mhall | of course it's got rough edges so this isn't perfectly true |
| 07:31.42 | backpocket | <cough> bill <cough> |
| 07:31.50 | Q-collective | well, the current linux world isn't that great either |
| 07:31.51 | mhall | but you can see as an admin how bad drive letters are for example |
| 07:32.00 | Q-collective | network transparency is awfully done |
| 07:32.09 | Q-collective | kde is just about the only one to do it right |
| 07:32.12 | mhall | drive letters get in your way when you rearrange disks, run out of room, etc. |
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| 07:32.18 | backpocket | drive letters can complicate things -- being pc-specific it makes it difficult to get things done on occasion |
| 07:32.20 | mhall | Q-collective: yeah you are surely correct there |
| 07:33.05 | mhall | Q-collective: plan 9 fixed it but nobody switched, which leads to the next joke: the worst thing that can happen to a brilliant new operating system is an old one that's just barely good enough to get the job done :-) |
| 07:33.35 | mhall | backpocket: exactly, by deviating from UNIX they made problems worse ;) |
| 07:33.35 | backpocket | mhall another very godo example of what you're referring to... is server virtualization |
| 07:33.55 | backpocket | whole OS's living in a virtualization layer (vmware) |
| 07:33.58 | backpocket | or zen... |
| 07:34.04 | mhall | backpocket: like, many minimachines on a big fat NUMA box? |
| 07:34.11 | mhall | or solaris 10 zones |
| 07:34.14 | mhall | that's another one |
| 07:34.23 | backpocket | I find that so cool ... an whole OS in 4 files. |
| 07:34.40 | Q-collective | mhall: indeed, that's why the Hurd never took off either :-( |
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| 07:35.23 | backpocket | ..oh did something happen? let me go back to my golden frozen OS on my LTO tape ..... reload virtual server... 20 mins later fresh working server thawed from its frozen state |
| 07:36.07 | mhall | backpocket: real revolution will be when you can do it for terminals or desktops |
| 07:36.16 | backpocket | well that iosnt that far off |
| 07:36.25 | mhall | backpocket: remotely over the network with no trip over to boot / screw with a node |
| 07:36.47 | backpocket | If I had the skill (which I dont) I'd make live cd distros uniqyue to my work environment for the clients... pre-made live-cd terminals with no hard disk... just 1 gig of ram. |
| 07:37.08 | Q-collective | backpocket: look into Gentoo |
| 07:37.08 | Q-collective | ;) |
| 07:37.25 | backpocket | well problem is 40% of the apps we run are Bill Gates specific. |
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| 07:37.33 | Q-collective | aargh |
| 07:37.35 | backpocket | as far as live-cd's I'd stick with kanotix or knoppix. |
| 07:38.05 | DeadS0ul | has anyone tried the xgl live cd? |
| 07:38.14 | backpocket | xgl........ |
| 07:38.20 | backpocket | whaz dat |
| 07:38.32 | Q-collective | well, I was stuck with the gentoo livecd for a very long time because it's the only livecd I know off to include dhcpcd |
| 07:38.44 | Q-collective | so, I was very happy when 2006.0 came out :-) |
| 07:38.50 | backpocket | really...knoppix doesnt? interesting. |
| 07:38.51 | mhall | backpocket: hey if you want i got a doc on how to make your own custom ones |
| 07:38.56 | Q-collective | and now we have the kororaa 0.2 xgl livecd :D |
| 07:38.58 | backpocket | mhall, I read a few |
| 07:39.08 | mhall | backpocket: mine actually works on the first try |
| 07:39.15 | backpocket | there were a little intimidating |
| 07:39.28 | mhall | yes that's why i wrote mine even |
| 07:39.31 | Q-collective | backpocket: no, knoppix has a different dhcp system, but not dhcpcd |
| 07:40.00 | backpocket | see also -- the knoppix style live-CDs offer Waaaaaaay tooo much for my standard peon users to have at their disposal... would be like giving a loaded gun to a child.... nessus comes with knoppix lol |
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| 07:40.11 | backpocket | I wouldn't give that to a peon of mine if they paid me to do it. |
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| 07:40.30 | backpocket | ... so I'd have to curtail the knoppix base distro down a lot....... |
| 07:40.58 | backpocket | and i dont think the standard joe/jane sixpack at the office can handle a lite distro like Damn Small |
| 07:41.01 | DeadS0ul | give'em gnoppix then |
| 07:41.05 | Q-collective | hah |
| 07:41.24 | Q-collective | kororaa++ :-) |
| 07:41.34 | backpocket | they should make a distro ... call it "idiot" |
| 07:41.58 | Q-collective | no, "idiotux" |
| 07:42.00 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 07:42.02 | backpocket | ... but that should be the develpment name... then call it "Excecutive desktop" when it's released |
| 07:42.13 | Q-collective | -c |
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| 07:42.24 | DeadS0ul | hahahaha |
| 07:42.31 | DeadS0ul | I totally agree with that |
| 07:42.36 | Q-collective | backpocket: like novell desktop? |
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| 07:42.44 | backpocket | My VP's at the office....... they still use AOL to browse the net and check mail...... |
| 07:42.45 | Q-collective | or rhel? |
| 07:42.54 | backpocket | that's right feel my pain. |
| 07:42.56 | Q-collective | omg :| |
| 07:43.00 | backpocket | lol |
| 07:43.04 | mhall | backpocket: idiotix =) |
| 07:43.07 | backpocket | lol |
| 07:43.36 | DeadS0ul | your kidding |
| 07:43.38 | DeadS0ul | AOL of all things |
| 07:43.40 | backpocket | I mean, luckily I get one of my under-admins to fix most of their problems... but once in a while I fix one.. and I just have to bite my tongue till it bleeds... |
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| 07:44.45 | backpocket | and always....... these guys run aol on a Suh-weeet Dell laptop..... it's light as a feather, spec'ed out by me, with 2 gigs of ram and a 2.4gig CPU with a dvd-rw, bluetoo9th, the works... to run AOL ... it oughta be illegal |
| 07:45.43 | DeadS0ul | ...bloody hell |
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| 07:46.04 | DeadS0ul | you make workign in IT sound like torture |
| 07:46.05 | backpocket | ...these guys dont even use IE.. then use the embedded aol browser, complete with ads, and aol keywords .. no URL-direct browsing for these unibrows... no.. |
| 07:46.38 | Q-collective | *shiver* |
| 07:46.45 | Q-collective | install firefox on there |
| 07:46.46 | backpocket | well luckily these VPs are handled by one ogf my guys whose job it is to be the tech turd... u know.. the guy to fix that printer, that fax machine.... hey my email attachment isn't going... (click send maybe..) |
| 07:46.46 | Q-collective | NOW |
| 07:46.59 | DeadS0ul | I think I have the aol borwser on my windows partition, ..came along with the new AIM |
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| 07:48.19 | DeadS0ul | hmmm I need lynard skynard albums |
| 07:48.35 | Q-collective | wtf |
| 07:49.00 | Q-collective | evolution vs creationism topic on fgo/otw :| |
| 07:49.13 | DeadS0ul | fgo? |
| 07:49.14 | DeadS0ul | wtf is that? |
| 07:49.17 | Q-collective | now, otw is pretty stupid, but this is a new record I think |
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| 07:49.32 | Q-collective | ?? fgo |
| 07:49.32 | DDB | q-collective: fgo: forums.gentoo.org the fucking greatest forums yet to be conceived |
| 07:50.01 | backpocket | I hear the only way to run dvd shrink in linux is to go WINE -- is that true? |
| 07:50.19 | mhall | no there is a linux equivalent |
| 07:50.29 | Q-collective | dvd shrink is some wannabe dvd::rip? |
| 07:50.39 | mhall | xdvdshrink - copies of DVD content on single-layer writable DVDs |
| 07:50.45 | mhall | k9copy - copy DVD like dvdshrink |
| 07:50.57 | mhall | Q-collective: yes and no |
| 07:51.07 | Q-collective | :) |
| 07:51.16 | mhall | Q-collective: it's mostly a 2-layer to 1-layer reformatter and extras stripper |
| 07:51.23 | Q-collective | ah |
| 07:51.28 | backpocket | yea it allows for the dual layer movies (longer movies) to be nicely placed on a single layer |
| 07:51.37 | peppelorum | Is it possible to hide the "switch user" and "lock session" i n the k-menu? |
| 07:51.45 | mhall | Q-collective: and it's meant to be wizardish, requiring minimal intervention to DeCSS, select files, and reformat the MPEG 2 stream to make it tinier |
| 07:51.47 | backpocket | also nicely strips out subtites in other language sif you dont want it -- menus, etc. |
| 07:52.03 | Q-collective | mhall: interesting |
| 07:52.09 | backpocket | I gather that k9copy is the equivalent? |
| 07:52.09 | mhall | backpocket: k9copy is the generally accepted linux incantation btw |
| 07:52.09 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 07:52.14 | backpocket | i see |
| 07:52.18 | backpocket | is that YUMable? |
| 07:52.30 | mhall | i'm not sure; i use debian + marillat archive |
| 07:52.38 | backpocket | ah -- i'll cehck then |
| 07:52.55 | mhall | i bet it can only be 'yummy' if you have an outside repo |
| 07:53.08 | mhall | the main distros are wary to distribute vobsub / decss / libdecss |
| 07:53.09 | backpocket | yea well i added livna |
| 07:53.17 | backpocket | which is the popular one to add for all the goodies |
| 07:53.19 | Q-collective | more wizardish ey |
| 07:53.26 | Q-collective | like thoggen I guess? :> |
| 07:53.31 | mhall | Q-collective: yeah less control but less shit to deal with |
| 07:53.33 | Q-collective | dunno k9copy |
| 07:53.48 | mhall | Q-collective: if you're in a hurry to burn your shit ASAP this compromise makes sense |
| 07:53.48 | backpocket | k9copy is not yummable. |
| 07:53.59 | mhall | that's lame as fuck |
| 07:54.04 | backpocket | i must say the compression it uses is quite good |
| 07:54.14 | backpocket | also you can easily rip JUST the movie |
| 07:54.19 | mhall | right |
| 07:54.22 | backpocket | strip out the menu, extras, etc. |
| 07:54.27 | mhall | one might argue this is for two reasons |
| 07:54.35 | mhall | TV of non-HD variety --> bad quality |
| 07:54.46 | backpocket | and youc ant tell the diff anyway |
| 07:54.50 | mhall | 2-layer DVDs --> deliberate bloat to complicate copying |
| 07:55.07 | mhall | 2-layer DVDs --> extra layer of bullshit content about which no sensible human gives two shits |
| 07:55.09 | backpocket | I mean I dont intend to kill my 3ghz XP box - but I was wondering if there was a variant for my linux 3ghz box :) |
| 07:55.16 | mhall | i lied, 3 reasons |
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| 07:55.36 | mhall | backpocket: as you can see i'm fairly blunt |
| 07:55.47 | backpocket | mhall, I have seen some DVD's... with short movies... they copy the movie on the disc 2x ... and join the movies up - just to make it fatter and harder to copy to single layers... |
| 07:56.03 | backpocket | though dvd shrink gets theru that pretty quick. yea blunt - indeed. |
| 07:56.07 | mhall | backpocket: haha |
| 07:56.29 | mhall | backpocket: i love how dvd shrink's authors have a website that tells you to just fucking google it |
| 07:56.36 | backpocket | hehehh yea |
| 07:56.37 | mhall | they don't even wanna host their program lol!!! |
| 07:56.56 | backpocket | also for some movies like Hitch...... sony put a glitch in there on puropise |
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| 07:56.59 | mhall | but hey if i was those 1337 h4x0r d00ds i wouldn't host that shiiiiiiyt either |
| 07:57.06 | backpocket | needed the latest version of DVD decryptor to get it off... |
| 07:57.15 | mhall | unless i wanna get reamed a new asshole by the feds n stuff |
| 07:57.25 | backpocket | well those morons are selling it |
| 07:57.28 | mhall | and i'm quite happy with the one i have |
| 07:57.37 | mhall | so i don't think that i want to go that route, hehe |
| 07:58.07 | mhall | lol i wish there was a chan where my jokes were funny |
| 07:58.16 | mhall | like a chan that was a portal to a different reality |
| 07:58.19 | mhall | heh heh heh |
| 07:58.52 | backpocket | hmm no rpm's for fedora? http://k9copy.sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 08:00.50 | mhall | yeah not sure what to say |
| 08:00.55 | mhall | compile into /usr/local i guess |
| 08:01.00 | backpocket | ..yea guess I will have ta compile it |
| 08:01.01 | mhall | does RH support that like debian |
| 08:01.13 | backpocket | yea I should be able to compile it -- BLAH |
| 08:01.19 | mhall | cause in deb anything compiled to local generally works no problem |
| 08:01.21 | Q-collective | oh, btw, I'm using acidrip myself atm |
| 08:01.26 | backpocket | yea indeed -- just a pain |
| 08:01.30 | Q-collective | any kde/qt counterparts to it? |
| 08:01.30 | mhall | although it's kind of crap to have to do it |
| 08:01.38 | mhall | let me look |
| 08:02.36 | backpocket | well Q i have the GTK kit installed |
| 08:02.52 | backpocket | ...i should be able to use that also |
| 08:03.06 | backpocket | I mean, I could always do it on Bill's Box |
| 08:03.09 | backpocket | no biggie |
| 08:03.27 | mhall | yeah also you might consider... gtk2-engines-gtk-qt to make it look Qt |
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| 08:04.15 | Q-collective | yeah well |
| 08:04.43 | mhall | ? Q-collective |
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| 08:06.39 | Q-collective | I'm familiar with x11-themes/gtk-engines-qt ;) |
| 08:06.47 | Q-collective | but don't think it works that well |
| 08:06.50 | backpocket | on another topic... assuming in a perfect world, my users @ work could handle a linux desktop ... is there a linux-based domain controller that would allow me to restrict and allocate resources, printers, permissions, local rights, etc? |
| 08:07.03 | backpocket | i heard RHEL was working on one.. |
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| 08:07.40 | Q-collective | backpocket: as in gui? |
| 08:07.45 | backpocket | whadya mean |
| 08:07.45 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 08:08.01 | backpocket | like a gui control panel domain cotnroller as opposed to text only? |
| 08:08.05 | Q-collective | as a configuration frontend for it |
| 08:08.08 | backpocket | oh |
| 08:08.27 | backpocket | well I suppose the basic question is - does a linux domain controller (ala windows) exist for linux clients |
| 08:08.36 | backpocket | then yea, Q #2 would be -- is there a front end to it |
| 08:08.47 | Q-collective | :) |
| 08:08.49 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 08:08.54 | Q-collective | not sure tbh |
| 08:09.09 | backpocket | the Q #3 would be - would such a domain controller be able to handle win32 clients as well |
| 08:09.15 | backpocket | tbh? |
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| 08:09.23 | mhall | backpocket: to be honest |
| 08:09.30 | backpocket | ah |
| 08:09.43 | Q-collective | mhall: you have anything on it? :-) |
| 08:09.44 | backpocket | it's ok to not be sure... that's the first step of self knowledge ;) |
| 08:09.51 | mhall | backpocket: anyhow there are methods people use to make it work |
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| 08:10.03 | backpocket | well being clueless on this that's why I asked |
| 08:10.04 | mhall | backpocket: but nothing so formal as the domain controller approach |
| 08:10.16 | mhall | backpocket: that's my understanding of the situation |
| 08:10.16 | backpocket | while I coulda google'd this -- makes for good conversation anyway |
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| 08:10.41 | mhall | backpocket: they are getting smarter about it, so far they have what they call kickstart files which make it trivial to install identically set up boxen |
| 08:10.58 | backpocket | because lets be honest....... if everyone had a linux client/desktop .. they'd need access restriction locally to allow & not allow things, resource allocations.... etc |
| 08:11.12 | mhall | backpocket: as for printers, you handle that by allocating printing to queues based on the kind of print job |
| 08:11.22 | mhall | backpocket: like color job queue and black and white queue |
| 08:11.34 | mhall | backpocket: then the cups server allocates the jobs to printers |
| 08:11.43 | mhall | backpocket: and you tell the clients to send all jobs to the cups server |
| 08:11.57 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 08:11.59 | backpocket | right, but like allocate printers to groups... commonly-accessed "shares" to groups... |
| 08:12.01 | mhall | backpocket: but these are all modules, windows wins here because while crappy, it's integrated |
| 08:12.07 | backpocket | group-based access rights & restirctions, etc. |
| 08:12.11 | Q-collective | a gui like yast would help in this area |
| 08:12.16 | Q-collective | :> |
| 08:12.54 | mhall | backpocket: yeah that's easy you can make things sort out by unix groups |
| 08:12.54 | mhall | backpocket: that's how you handle users' device access |
| 08:12.54 | mhall | backpocket: add and remove them from groups owning the devices |
| 08:12.54 | Q-collective | indeed |
| 08:12.54 | backpocket | hmm it would have to be a setup on many fronts |
| 08:13.04 | backpocket | the client's desktops would need to be a crippled distro..... with only the basics. |
| 08:13.25 | mhall | backpocket: resource allocations are done with the filesystem quotææĂæätas |
| 08:13.28 | Q-collective | nah, chmod/chown is what you need |
| 08:13.30 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 08:13.35 | backpocket | and web browsing would have to be proxied by domain login |
| 08:13.36 | mhall | ack text encoding broke on me |
| 08:13.41 | backpocket | which is what i do now in win 2k3 |
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| 08:14.06 | Q-collective | backpocket: why proxy? |
| 08:14.33 | backpocket | i force all win clients to proxy their connections - then I instruct the domain controller to tell the client to REMOVE the tab that allows for proxy config, so they cannot UNDO it. |
| 08:14.41 | backpocket | well I have two squid proxies running |
| 08:14.58 | backpocket | 1 for peons.......... DENY ALL except the regex's that include BLAHBLAH in the URL |
| 08:15.05 | backpocket | I got about 125 regex's |
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| 08:15.27 | backpocket | then....... for the managers, I'm just caching chunks of the internet to save on hits on the real internet......... just a proxy cache |
| 08:15.41 | backpocket | but no restrictions for them |
| 08:15.59 | backpocket | ..the firewall handles the playboy and sexy google requests with built-in content filters (subscription based) |
| 08:16.14 | mhall | backpocket: you firewall the managers? |
| 08:16.20 | Q-collective | heh |
| 08:16.27 | backpocket | the hwole network is firewalled :) |
| 08:16.44 | backpocket | if that was a joke, I missed it :) |
| 08:17.03 | mhall | backpocket: you said the nonmanagers can only get certain urls |
| 08:17.10 | mhall | backpocket: and the firewall takes care of teh pr0n |
| 08:17.17 | backpocket | yea all the clients are blocked from direct port 80 outbound calls |
| 08:17.22 | mhall | backpocket: which led me to think only managers need to be filtered from pr0n |
| 08:17.25 | backpocket | but the proxies ar ein the LAN |
| 08:17.35 | backpocket | no everything pipes out thru the firewall |
| 08:17.37 | backpocket | proxies and all |
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| 08:17.44 | backpocket | the proxies are not public |
| 08:17.45 | mhall | *I KNOW* but that's not what i mean |
| 08:18.01 | backpocket | well i mean the peons dont need the filter yer ruight |
| 08:18.01 | mhall | what i mean is, can the users even trigger the firewall rules to prevent them from getting pr0n |
| 08:18.05 | backpocket | yer right |
| 08:18.15 | backpocket | but it's there -- so i mentioned it -- |
| 08:18.18 | mhall | so you have to block managers from dling pr0n |
| 08:18.26 | backpocket | yea and my other admins who aren't proxied :D |
| 08:18.37 | mhall | if they're dling pr0n maybe they are not busy enough managing |
| 08:18.48 | backpocket | indeed - but that's not my job |
| 08:19.03 | mhall | whomever is doing that job is not doing that job |
| 08:19.07 | backpocket | indeed |
| 08:19.09 | Q-collective | hehe |
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| 08:19.20 | backpocket | but we know one thing: they cannot jack off in my LAN |
| 08:19.36 | backpocket | unless, www.usps.com gets them h ot-n-heavy |
| 08:20.02 | backpocket | or those sexy salespeople @ www.staples.com |
| 08:20.17 | Q-collective | btw, are there any roadmaps for 3.5.3/.4/.5/...? |
| 08:20.46 | mhall | oof =( |
| 08:20.49 | backpocket | heh |
| 08:20.59 | mhall | backpocket: finally now you crack a joke hehe |
| 08:21.08 | Q-collective | :) |
| 08:21.13 | mhall | backpocket: of course they can't jack off in your LAN; they aren't electricity |
| 08:21.19 | backpocket | heh |
| 08:21.29 | backpocket | that was a pun |
| 08:21.44 | backpocket | ..I got it <makes butthead uhuhu uhuhuh sound> |
| 08:21.45 | mhall | better yet-- a bad one |
| 08:22.32 | backpocket | Q-collective, the lack of answer to you 3.5.3 Question would imply that no one knows. |
| 08:22.48 | mhall | backpocket: more likely that everybody is asleep, drunk, or both |
| 08:22.48 | Q-collective | apperently |
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| 08:23.10 | mhall | in my case clueless and mildly buzzed |
| 08:23.12 | backpocket | would having a few mapped drives to windows boxes from my linux box, cause Konqueror to stall when trying to load up /home/me |
| 08:23.19 | mhall | really cannot allout drink because i'm quite sick |
| 08:23.25 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 08:23.33 | backpocket | i mapped a few win shares and lately when i try to bring up HOME, I get "stalled" at the bottom of konqueror |
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| 08:23.52 | backpocket | sick as in a cold/ |
| 08:24.01 | mhall | what this means is, when i tries to get data on your win shares, something isn't right |
| 08:24.07 | mhall | yes sick with cold / flu since monday |
| 08:24.19 | mhall | and then the car wreck does not help the fuckin situation either =( |
| 08:24.25 | Q-collective | woot, google is great: "KDE Developer's Corner - KDE 3.0 Release Plan" |
| 08:24.26 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 08:24.29 | backpocket | the wife has a sore throat........ been trying to avoid getting it -- |
| 08:24.33 | mhall | Q-collective: mmhmm |
| 08:24.47 | mhall | what? did i hear right? an admin with a wife? |
| 08:24.51 | backpocket | lol |
| 08:24.52 | mhall | have i been trolled |
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| 08:25.10 | backpocket | she gives me shit for being attached to the keyboard when i get home |
| 08:25.11 | sfx_ | hi |
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| 08:25.27 | sfx_ | can i login with root kde start ?* |
| 08:25.29 | backpocket | she walks by slapping her forearm, implying I have an addiction........... |
| 08:25.34 | mhall | backpocket: if she was halfway cute i'd be attached to something very different from the keyboard |
| 08:25.56 | backpocket | heh -- well mhall this is my hobby as well as my job -- :) |
| 08:26.03 | backpocket | also I'm married 6 yrs |
| 08:26.07 | mhall | right i'm just rattling a little |
| 08:26.09 | Q-collective | omg :o |
| 08:26.13 | mhall | Q-collective: ? |
| 08:26.18 | backpocket | when yer married a while...... you realize that new ass > old ass |
| 08:26.31 | Q-collective | mhall: an admin with a wife, something feels wrong |
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| 08:26.55 | backpocket | yea and she's a machead |
| 08:27.02 | backpocket | shit-n-tosh |
| 08:27.35 | Q-collective | NOOOOOOOO |
| 08:27.37 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 08:27.54 | backpocket | yea... you should see her when she sits at my table to check for movies or something |
| 08:28.35 | backpocket | it's quite amusing |
| 08:29.47 | mhall | backpocket: you are harsh |
| 08:29.57 | backpocket | nah.. the tone doesn't come thru in text |
| 08:30.10 | mhall | backpocket: if you want to get her going install Debian on her Mac after you back it up |
| 08:30.24 | backpocket | lol :) |
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| 08:30.27 | mhall | backpocket: then put back the same screen saver |
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| 08:30.32 | sfx_ | hi |
| 08:30.38 | sfx_ | root logins are not allowed on kde startup |
| 08:30.39 | backpocket | I wanna drop her mac down to her freeBSD cmd prompt and run it full screen |
| 08:30.41 | sfx_ | how can i allow it ? |
| 08:30.48 | backpocket | but I think I'd be sleeping on the couch if I did that |
| 08:31.00 | mhall | backpocket: lol but would it be worth it |
| 08:31.04 | backpocket | :) |
| 08:31.11 | sfx_ | ?? who can help :) |
| 08:31.11 | DDB | sfx_: term "who can help :)" is not defined |
| 08:31.12 | Ardonik | sfx_: why do you wanna run kde as root?! |
| 08:31.38 | backpocket | sfx_, if you wanna run kde as root - i suggest you try Linspire. |
| 08:31.41 | Ardonik | Run as a normal user and use sudo for the root stuff |
| 08:32.02 | Q-collective | hehehe |
| 08:32.04 | sfx_ | huh.. |
| 08:32.11 | Q-collective | su - > startkde as root |
| 08:32.20 | backpocket | sfx_, try Linspire |
| 08:32.22 | Ardonik | You shouldn't run graphical apps as root. |
| 08:32.41 | sfx_ | but why ? |
| 08:32.52 | sfx_ | i always run as root :) |
| 08:32.54 | Ardonik | Root should be used for running simple commands that have vulnerabilities ironed out of them. |
| 08:33.14 | Q-collective | sfx_: the main problem with windows security is that you run as admin by default |
| 08:33.19 | Ardonik | Big complex programs like KDE apps link to alots of libraries and introduce the potential for unexplored vulnerabilities. |
| 08:33.20 | Q-collective | don't run stuff as root... |
| 08:33.22 | Ardonik | It's really unsafe. |
| 08:33.32 | backpocket | sfx_, if anyone were to sit down by your machine ... they'd have instant access to ruin your day. |
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| 08:33.42 | sfx_ | only me.. |
| 08:33.45 | sfx_ | loca machine |
| 08:33.47 | Ardonik | Use sudo to regain the convenience of not having to swithc to root. |
| 08:33.48 | sfx_ | local :) |
| 08:33.54 | Ardonik | Doesn't matter. |
| 08:33.58 | backpocket | sfx_, you plan on fwding any ports inbound? |
| 08:34.08 | Ardonik | Plan on downloading any apps? |
| 08:34.18 | mhall | sfx_: don't do that shit or i'll lart you |
| 08:34.18 | Ardonik | So you trust them to run with UID 0?? |
| 08:34.45 | Q-collective | larting? |
| 08:34.57 | mhall | sfx_: i'll come all the way over to turkey and bonk you on the head with an inflatable hammer |
| 08:35.07 | sfx_ | mhall: :))) |
| 08:35.20 | Q-collective | oh noes! |
| 08:35.20 | mhall | Q-collective: luser attitude readjustment tool |
| 08:35.23 | sfx_ | ok ok |
| 08:35.29 | sfx_ | dont shout at me |
| 08:35.30 | sfx_ | :( |
| 08:35.39 | Ardonik | It's okay |
| 08:35.41 | Q-collective | mhall: nice |
| 08:35.48 | riri | sfx : do you hear something ? lol |
| 08:35.50 | Ardonik | It's just that you should really reconsider running as root all the time. |
| 08:35.53 | Q-collective | .define lart luser attitude readjustment tool |
| 08:35.54 | DDB | q-collective: term "lart" is already defined |
| 08:35.55 | sfx_ | riri: :P |
| 08:35.58 | Q-collective | ?? lart |
| 08:35.59 | DDB | q-collective: lart: Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool |
| 08:35.59 | sfx_ | hm |
| 08:36.01 | Ardonik | When everyone says it's dangerous, chances are they're right. |
| 08:36.02 | backpocket | sfx_, it's simply looked down upon by most upright, non-unibrow penguins to run as root. |
| 08:36.03 | Q-collective | darnit |
| 08:36.05 | Q-collective | :p |
| 08:36.14 | riri | i used to work as root |
| 08:36.18 | mhall | Istanbul was Constantinople |
| 08:36.18 | mhall | Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople |
| 08:36.18 | mhall | Been a long time gone, Constantinople |
| 08:36.18 | mhall | Why did Constantinople get the works? |
| 08:36.19 | mhall | That's nobody's business but the Turks |
| 08:36.41 | riri | (maybe i am now ? ) but as i compiled kde3.5.2 as user |
| 08:36.52 | sfx_ | ok, now i wanna root's kde configs :P |
| 08:36.54 | riri | i noticed it's practical to be user ... |
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| 08:37.17 | islamguide_com | although i get fed up with the constant asking for passwords.. |
| 08:37.29 | Ardonik | islamguide_com: use sudo |
| 08:37.34 | riri | my user kde3.5.2 runs better as i compiled it with konstruct |
| 08:37.35 | islamguide_com | how come kde's remember the password checkbox doesn't work? |
| 08:37.41 | sfx_ | and i need ur help to some configurations.. i used as root always :(( |
| 08:37.42 | mhall | islamguide_com: which app |
| 08:37.49 | backpocket | yea islamguide_com I agree - it doesn't work |
| 08:38.00 | islamguide_com | things like YAST and stuff practically everthing |
| 08:38.05 | Ardonik | sfx_: configuring what? |
| 08:38.12 | sfx_ | e.g i cant use sudo or su command.. and i can not hear sound.. |
| 08:38.12 | islamguide_com | i wonder wad use is that box.. |
| 08:38.26 | pinotree | hello |
| 08:38.28 | sfx_ | Ardonik: kde configurations, themes vs. |
| 08:38.36 | riri | hi |
| 08:38.44 | islamguide_com | anyone here managed to get a five button mouse to work?? |
| 08:38.46 | backpocket | they should replace the passwd infrastructure with a USB Armpit sniffer |
| 08:38.52 | Ardonik | sfx_: you just want to copy those configs to a normal user account? |
| 08:38.54 | backpocket | armpit scents are as unique as fingerprints. |
| 08:39.06 | sfx_ | Ardonik: /root/. ?? |
| 08:39.09 | islamguide_com | might as well use the latter.. |
| 08:39.29 | sfx_ | Ardonik: yes.. |
| 08:39.52 | Ardonik | sfx_: cp /root/.kde ~user/.kde && chown -Rv user:user ~user/.kde |
| 08:40.00 | Q-collective | :) |
| 08:40.15 | sfx_ | Ardonik: and there isn't sound, |
| 08:40.27 | Ardonik | That's a different problem. Get out of kde-root-mode first |
| 08:40.35 | sfx_ | Ardonik: when kde starts, gave error. permission denied.. |
| 08:40.44 | Ardonik | Easy to fix--that's what arts is for |
| 08:40.46 | backpocket | sfx_, or better yet ... <fdisk: ntfs, sudo install winnus XPus> |
| 08:41.00 | backpocket | instant root desktop. |
| 08:41.10 | sfx_ | and i can not be root with "su" and can not use "sudo" :)) |
| 08:41.20 | sfx_ | ok well i must be root now :P |
| 08:41.23 | Ardonik | sfx_: what? |
| 08:41.31 | Ardonik | You don't need su |
| 08:41.36 | mhall | dude sfx_ what kind of glass dick you been smoking from |
| 08:41.53 | Ardonik | edit /etc/sudoers and allow the wheel group to have full access (there's one line to uncomment) |
| 08:42.02 | Ardonik | Then add yourself to the wheel group. |
| 08:42.10 | Ardonik | But please, exit from kde-as-root first! |
| 08:42.12 | backpocket | what is teh wheel group? |
| 08:42.23 | mhall | Ardonik: better yet add your user... mhall ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 08:42.32 | Ardonik | Wheel is the conventional name of a group that has unrestricted access when they authenticate with sudo |
| 08:42.33 | sfx_ | Ardonik: i am using normal user |
| 08:42.43 | backpocket | ah |
| 08:42.55 | mhall | backpocket: it comes from BSD |
| 08:43.07 | mhall | backpocket: in BSD you can't su unless you are in wheel even if you know the pass |
| 08:43.12 | backpocket | so much comes from bsd... |
| 08:43.24 | mhall | backpocket: yeah it was a big innovation in the UNIX world |
| 08:43.30 | Ardonik | backpocket: the BSD convention was good, so some Linux distros (and OSX) have stolen it |
| 08:43.30 | backpocket | bill's ftp.exe comes from bsd |
| 08:43.38 | mhall | backpocket: imagine the horror, until BSD none of the unix commands were recursive ! |
| 08:43.57 | backpocket | well Ardonik the cool thing about BSD is u are allowed to steal it - as long as u give credit in the code |
| 08:44.01 | Ardonik | sfx_: do the sudo stuff |
| 08:44.03 | mhall | backpocket: so what do you do when some doofus messes up 10,000 files and dirs' permissions or owners |
| 08:44.11 | backpocket | didn't know that hall -- learned #2 thing today |
| 08:44.29 | mhall | backpocket: or, the thing you learned was #2 lol |
| 08:44.47 | mhall | kind of reminds me why caps are important: |
| 08:44.54 | sfx_ | Ardonik: OK i will back but now i need allow root acces on kde startup |
| 08:45.00 | sfx_ | Ardonik: some configs :) |
| 08:45.02 | mhall | I helped my uncle jack off a horse. -OR- I helped my uncle Jack off a horse. |
| 08:45.02 | Ardonik | sfx_: no you don't |
| 08:45.03 | backpocket | sfx -- I am curious |
| 08:45.10 | backpocket | what will you gain from running as root? |
| 08:45.16 | Ardonik | root should never log into KDE. |
| 08:45.21 | mhall | backpocket: exploitability |
| 08:45.57 | backpocket | sfx I will fool myself and just say you're creating a honey pot. |
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| 08:46.08 | mhall | backpocket: hahaha! good comeback |
| 08:46.28 | Ardonik | sfx_: to copy the previous root user KDE configs, open the konsole. |
| 08:46.45 | mhall | oof i broke konsole |
| 08:46.47 | sfx_ | Ardonik: OK |
| 08:46.50 | mhall | unicode doesn't work right now |
| 08:46.53 | Ardonik | sfx_: sudo cp /root/.kde ~user/.kde && chown -Rv user:user ~user/.kde, as I said before |
| 08:47.00 | sfx_ | Ardonik: yes |
| 08:47.09 | Ardonik | You're done then. |
| 08:47.18 | backpocket | ..in more ways than one. |
| 08:47.21 | sfx_ | and i must install sudo stuff :) |
| 08:47.28 | Ardonik | From now on you never need to log in as root in KDE again, and most of your settings are copied over to the normal user. |
| 08:47.41 | sfx_ | Ardonik: OK |
| 08:47.47 | Ardonik | sfx_: easy. First, edit /etc/sudoers and do what mhall suggested |
| 08:47.53 | Ardonik | Or uncomment the "wheel" line. |
| 08:48.02 | sfx_ | Ardonik: it is not exists |
| 08:48.07 | Ardonik | Yes it does. |
| 08:48.09 | backpocket | sfx_, then you should hang a sign on your cable/dsl modem "Got root?" |
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| 08:48.30 | mhall | backpocket: lol |
| 08:48.32 | Ardonik | # Same thing without a password |
| 08:48.32 | Ardonik | # %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 08:48.40 | sfx_ | bash: sudo: command not found |
| 08:48.41 | sfx_ | lol |
| 08:48.44 | mhall | Ardonik: BAD ARDONIK |
| 08:48.54 | Ardonik | What? It was 2 lines. |
| 08:48.57 | mhall | Ardonik: letting people in without pw?!?! |
| 08:49.07 | Ardonik | Bleah. Then uncomment the other one. |
| 08:49.14 | mhall | lart time! |
| 08:49.19 | Ardonik | As for you, sfx_, you need to install the sudo package. |
| 08:49.32 | backpocket | sfx you using debian? |
| 08:49.34 | backpocket | or fedora |
| 08:49.47 | Ardonik | mhall: see you there |
| 08:49.48 | sfx_ | gentoo with friends help :) |
| 08:49.55 | Q-collective | heh |
| 08:49.57 | mhall | Ardonik: hehe |
| 08:49.59 | Ardonik | YOu bring your LART, I'll bring my cluebat, and we'll have a gay old time |
| 08:50.18 | sfx_ | guys and sound problem |
| 08:50.26 | Ardonik | Is artsd running? |
| 08:50.26 | mhall | Ardonik: actually i think i'll battle it out with my deagle |
| 08:50.37 | mhall | Ardonik: counterstrike style |
| 08:50.44 | Q-collective | sfx_: USE=-arts ? |
| 08:50.47 | Ardonik | sfx_: ps aufx | fgrep arts |
| 08:50.52 | mhall | Ardonik: maybe go over to universal city and fight on the sets |
| 08:50.59 | mhall | Ardonik: urban warfare ;) |
| 08:51.09 | sfx_ | working |
| 08:51.12 | Ardonik | er, ps af |
| 08:51.34 | sfx_ | a4tech@localhost ~ $ ps af| fgrep arts |
| 08:51.34 | sfx_ | 11106 pts/1 S+ 0:00 \_ fgrep arts |
| 08:51.42 | Ardonik | So no arts running. |
| 08:51.47 | sfx_ | hmm. |
| 08:51.49 | Ardonik | artsd from konsole. |
| 08:51.56 | Ardonik | artsd -a alsa -d & |
| 08:51.58 | Q-collective | arts sucks |
| 08:52.03 | sfx_ | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 08:52.03 | sfx_ | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied) |
| 08:52.05 | Q-collective | keep away from it |
| 08:52.15 | Ardonik | sfx_: who's locking dev/dsp? |
| 08:52.17 | Ardonik | I bet it |
| 08:52.23 | Ardonik | I bet it's root, I meant to say |
| 08:52.32 | sfx_ | Ardonik: ok i understood |
| 08:52.32 | Ardonik | To find out, use the 'lsof' program. |
| 08:52.38 | mhall | sfx_: add yourself to audio group |
| 08:52.47 | sfx_ | i never login as root :) |
| 08:53.03 | Ardonik | sfx_: install the lsof package and then do 'lsof /dev/dsp' |
| 08:53.18 | Ardonik | It should tell you what process (and which user) are locking the audio device. |
| 08:53.18 | mhall | Ardonik: dude Permission denied doesn't happen when it's already open by another user |
| 08:53.23 | mhall | Ardonik: think about it |
| 08:53.30 | Ardonik | mhall: sure it does. |
| 08:53.34 | mhall | no |
| 08:53.41 | mhall | you get Device or resource busy |
| 08:53.50 | Ardonik | You need arts or something to multiplex the sound (some alsa cards can do concurrent access, though) |
| 08:53.54 | sfx_ | Ardonik: ok, and i must be root |
| 08:53.58 | mhall | the real reason is his non-root user is not in audio group |
| 08:54.03 | sfx_ | Ardonik: su , sudo does not work |
| 08:54.07 | Ardonik | sfx_: no, you don't need to be root for any of that |
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| 08:54.20 | Ardonik | sfx_: get the sudo package. |
| 08:54.39 | Ardonik | sfx_: add yourself to the audio group and see if mhall's suggestion helps |
| 08:54.41 | Q-collective | Ardonik: sfx_ http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_sound_mixer_aka_dmix |
| 08:54.44 | Q-collective | look into it |
| 08:54.48 | sfx_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.54 | sfx_ | i have to emerge it |
| 08:54.59 | Ardonik | sfx_: yes. |
| 08:55.04 | sfx_ | and i must be root.. |
| 08:55.07 | Q-collective | su - |
| 08:55.13 | Ardonik | su -c emerge ... |
| 08:55.34 | mhall | add the user to the audio group already zOMGWTFBBQ |
| 08:55.44 | Q-collective | su > sudo |
| 08:55.45 | Q-collective | imho |
| 08:55.56 | sfx_ | a4tech@localhost ~ $ su |
| 08:55.56 | sfx_ | You are not authorized to su root |
| 08:55.58 | sfx_ | :) |
| 08:56.07 | Q-collective | not in the wheel group? |
| 08:56.12 | sfx_ | huh.. i will learn learn learn |
| 08:56.18 | Q-collective | groups |
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| 08:56.31 | backpocket | sfx_, you sound like a lemming |
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| 08:57.05 | backpocket | ..for those who don't know... |
| 08:57.06 | Q-collective | mhall: the audio group doesn't do anything afaik |
| 08:57.08 | Q-collective | :^) |
| 08:57.10 | backpocket | Lemming: A short-tailed, furry rodent known for its peculiar habit of committing mass suicide by hurling itself -- along with hundreds of over Lemmings -- over steep cliffs and into the ocean. In the world of pro wrestling, the term "lemming" began in the 1980's, referring to the WWF's large percentage of relatively uninformed, somewhat gullible, and fiercely loyal fans. In the 1990's, a "lemming" is a term bestowed on narrow-minded, bi |
| 08:57.10 | backpocket | ased fans for any promotion, not just the WWF. |
| 08:57.22 | sfx_ | brb guys :) |
| 08:57.24 | Ardonik | Not authorized to su root? Humph |
| 08:57.32 | sfx_ | we will fix it :) |
| 08:57.32 | GraveDigger | moin moin |
| 08:57.43 | Ardonik | sfx_: fo left alt + left ctrl + f1 to get to another tty |
| 08:57.47 | Ardonik | s/fo/do |
| 08:57.59 | Ardonik | sfx_: and then log in as root from the tty and emerge sudo from there. |
| 08:58.05 | sfx_ | ok |
| 08:58.18 | sfx_ | yes |
| 08:58.24 | sfx_ | emerge app-admin/sudo |
| 08:58.34 | Ardonik | Try it! |
| 08:58.51 | Ardonik | To get back to X, do left alt + left ctrl + f7 |
| 08:59.00 | Ardonik | Or whatever it's running on |
| 08:59.07 | sfx_ | emerging |
| 08:59.15 | backpocket | mhall, what's your general-use distro of choice? (curious) |
| 08:59.27 | mhall | backpocket: debian for everything except repair CDs |
| 08:59.35 | backpocket | sarge? |
| 08:59.37 | backpocket | or sid |
| 08:59.39 | mhall | backpocket: for which i use hacked copies of the debian derivative knoppix |
| 08:59.46 | sfx_ | Ardonik: and i will as root " /root/.kde ~user/.kde && chown -Rv user:user ~user/.kde " |
| 09:00.00 | Q-collective | sfx_: add yourself to the wheel group? :> |
| 09:00.05 | Ardonik | sfx_: very well--do it |
| 09:00.12 | mhall | backpocket: sid + experimental. servers + workstations? why? because i'm crazy and i seem to have fewer bugs because they get fixed fastest in unstable |
| 09:00.16 | Ardonik | Only, replace "~user" with your actual username |
| 09:00.19 | sfx_ | Q-collective: how ? and whic rup ? |
| 09:00.21 | sfx_ | Ardonik: ok |
| 09:00.27 | sfx_ | which* |
| 09:00.33 | Q-collective | sfx_: nano /etc/group |
| 09:00.34 | backpocket | yea and generally more features with sid versions |
| 09:00.49 | backpocket | as opposed to static versions |
| 09:00.53 | sfx_ | ok sudoers exists :) |
| 09:01.02 | sfx_ | Ardonik: i will do it |
| 09:01.13 | *** part/#kde Ardonik (i=ardonik@adsl-67-127-232-76.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 09:01.17 | sfx_ | oohh |
| 09:01.19 | sfx_ | :( |
| 09:01.24 | backpocket | mhall, do you cron your apt-get update/upgrade? |
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| 09:01.37 | sfx_ | huh |
| 09:02.01 | Ardonik | I hit Ctrl + w and thought it would erase a word |
| 09:02.08 | Ardonik | Instead it erased my chat buffer :-) |
| 09:02.08 | sfx_ | :) |
| 09:02.15 | Q-collective | lol |
| 09:02.21 | sfx_ | Ardonik: sudo emerged |
| 09:02.33 | sfx_ | i am adding me now |
| 09:02.37 | Ardonik | sfx_: good. Now, as root, edit the sudoers file. |
| 09:03.25 | sfx_ | sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied |
| 09:03.27 | sfx_ | hmm... |
| 09:03.29 | mhall | backpocket: that's a bit suicidal unless it's for updates to stable |
| 09:03.31 | sfx_ | i must configure chmod |
| 09:03.32 | Ardonik | Right |
| 09:03.37 | sfx_ | 777 ? |
| 09:03.40 | Ardonik | No, you should edit the sudoers file as root. |
| 09:03.44 | backpocket | well u said you apt-get youself to bug fixes |
| 09:03.46 | sfx_ | i edited |
| 09:03.47 | backpocket | I was curious |
| 09:03.47 | mhall | NO NOT 777!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:04.02 | sfx_ | mhall: ok |
| 09:04.06 | Ardonik | sfx_: did you give the wheel group full access? |
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| 09:04.12 | Ardonik | in the sudoers file |
| 09:04.19 | sfx_ | Ardonik: no.. how can i do it ? |
| 09:04.31 | backpocket | I think suicidal root support like this warrants a deposity in Ardonik's paypal account |
| 09:04.39 | sfx_ | :) |
| 09:04.47 | Ardonik | sfx_: the comments in /etc/sudoers pretty much explain what to do |
| 09:05.00 | DeadS0ul` | not on my debian box they don't |
| 09:05.05 | Ardonik | # Uncomment to allow people in group wheel to run all commands |
| 09:05.05 | Ardonik | %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 09:05.11 | Ardonik | See the line that looks like that? |
| 09:05.19 | Ardonik | It's commented out by default--uncomment it. |
| 09:05.36 | Ardonik | And we are, like, *totally* in the wrong channel right now. |
| 09:05.49 | mhall | lol nobody else is using it |
| 09:06.14 | backpocket | sfx since you like running in root - just open port 22 inbound and run sshd and give Ardonik the root passwd, he'll get you running like you like it |
| 09:07.06 | sfx_ | good idea |
| 09:07.06 | sfx_ | ssh started |
| 09:07.06 | sfx_ | Ardonik: what do you think about ? |
| 09:07.09 | Ardonik | backpocket: be fair--he's not running as root now |
| 09:07.14 | backpocket | ..you can change the root passwd later |
| 09:07.17 | Ardonik | sfx_: GOD, no!! |
| 09:07.24 | sfx_ | Ardonik: :) |
| 09:07.24 | Ardonik | shut it down, shut it down! |
| 09:07.47 | sfx_ | Ardonik: ok... |
| 09:07.53 | backpocket | ...sounded like a good idea to me |
| 09:08.01 | backpocket | instead of the irc hand holding :) |
| 09:08.11 | Ardonik | Christ! |
| 09:08.20 | backpocket | nono I'm backpcoket.. |
| 09:08.30 | backpocket | provided I dont typo my own nick. |
| 09:08.50 | Ardonik | Okay, assuming you don't have sshd runnign anymore |
| 09:08.56 | sfx_ | sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied |
| 09:08.58 | Ardonik | You've edited the sudoers file |
| 09:09.06 | sfx_ | permissions... |
| 09:09.06 | Ardonik | Now you need to add yourself to the wheel group. |
| 09:09.22 | Ardonik | sfx_: sudo WILL NOT WORK until the sudoers file is edited! |
| 09:09.28 | Ardonik | That's what we're trying to do now. |
| 09:09.39 | Ardonik | su -c emacs /etc/sudoers. |
| 09:09.43 | DeadS0ul` | I don't see tha tline |
| 09:10.38 | Ardonik | er, su -c "emacs /etc/sudoers" |
| 09:10.48 | DeadS0ul` | what |
| 09:10.52 | Ardonik | or visudo, or whatever |
| 09:10.53 | DeadS0ul` | visudo! |
| 09:11.05 | Ardonik | DeadS0ul: I'd rather die. |
| 09:11.27 | backpocket | afk |
| 09:11.33 | YggdrasilOS | isn't firing up emacs to edit your sudoers file a bit like squashing a fly with a Buick? |
| 09:11.48 | Ardonik | More like squashing a fly with a battlemech |
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| 09:12.02 | DeadS0ul` | wtf? I timed out? |
| 09:12.20 | YggdrasilOS | heh, how apropos...emacs is just as prone to locking up on my system as your average overheated battlemech |
| 09:12.44 | Ardonik | YggdrasilOS: please read topic before starting flamewar |
| 09:12.58 | YggdrasilOS | just saying, it locks up for me. YMMV |
| 09:13.13 | Ardonik | I've never seen emacs lock up in my life, so I'm calling shenanigans |
| 09:13.15 | sfx_ | Ardonik: a4tech ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 09:13.15 | sfx_ | Ardonik: a4tech ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 09:13.17 | Ardonik | But anyway |
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| 09:13.31 | Ardonik | sfx_: you only need one of those two lines |
| 09:13.34 | YggdrasilOS | i probably borked the compile somewhere, to be honest |
| 09:13.39 | YggdrasilOS | but that's neither here nor there |
| 09:13.41 | sfx_ | Ardonik: yes i edited |
| 09:13.42 | Ardonik | Aye. |
| 09:13.46 | xushi | morning all! |
| 09:13.52 | sfx_ | %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 09:13.55 | sfx_ | i edited |
| 09:14.00 | sfx_ | s/%whell/a4tech |
| 09:14.02 | sfx_ | :) |
| 09:14.03 | Ardonik | sfx_: you added too much. Choose one. |
| 09:14.21 | Ardonik | sfx_: wheel access? Or just your user? And with or without a password? |
| 09:14.48 | sfx_ | i comment second line ok |
| 09:15.08 | Ardonik | Just choose something. If you're choosing wheel, you need to be added to the wheel group next. |
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| 09:15.45 | xushi | w00t! M$ thinking of buying Sony =/ bye bye linux-ease compatibility with the future vaio's =/ |
| 09:16.16 | DeadS0ul | that's epeculation man |
| 09:16.25 | DeadS0ul | SOny is HUGE, MS can't buy'em out easily |
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| 09:16.42 | YggdrasilOS | no, but think of what would happen if they merged |
| 09:16.46 | sfx_ | Ardonik: ok.. i edited #%wheel ALL=(ALL) , %wheel ALL=(ALL) |
| 09:16.57 | Ardonik | sfx_: Okay. |
| 09:16.59 | xushi | actually, what would happen? anything good/bad ? |
| 09:17.10 | Ardonik | Next step is su -c "emacs /etc/group". |
| 09:17.14 | YggdrasilOS | they'd be ready to compete with Apple on its own turf (maybe not successfully, but still) |
| 09:17.37 | YggdrasilOS | with sony on board, they'd have complete vertical control from hardware to software |
| 09:17.47 | Ardonik | There's a line that looks like this: wheel:x:10: |
| 09:17.55 | sfx_ | ohhh su and sudo do not work :(((((( |
| 09:17.58 | Ardonik | sfx_: It needs to look like this: wheel:x:10:ardonik |
| 09:18.14 | Ardonik | sfx_: Right, sudo doesn't work 'cause you're not in the wheel group. |
| 09:18.21 | Ardonik | Please edit /etc/group and add yourself to it. |
| 09:18.29 | sfx_ | ok |
| 09:19.08 | sfx_ | wheel:x:10:a4tech |
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| 09:19.17 | Ardonik | Okay. |
| 09:19.23 | sfx_ | Ardonik: hmm what is 10 ? |
| 09:19.28 | Ardonik | sfx_: now sudo should ask you for your USER password |
| 09:19.36 | Ardonik | The 10 is the GID for the wheel group |
| 09:20.20 | sfx_ | hm permission denied.. |
| 09:20.28 | Ardonik | sfx_: then you did something wrong. |
| 09:20.39 | Ardonik | sfx_: permission denied for what? |
| 09:21.16 | intrade | su dont works use sux lol |
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| 09:21.31 | sfx_ | a4tech@localhost ~ $ sudo emerge -av kde |
| 09:21.32 | sfx_ | sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied |
| 09:21.42 | intrade | nother root runing"? |
| 09:21.45 | sfx_ | -av kde is example :) |
| 09:21.49 | sfx_ | yes running |
| 09:21.58 | intrade | sux has x power |
| 09:22.21 | intrade | aux = su with x power |
| 09:22.23 | intrade | sux |
| 09:22.29 | sfx_ | :) |
| 09:22.30 | Ardonik | sfx_: ls -aFl /etc/sudoers -- is it readable by root? |
| 09:22.49 | Ardonik | Did you fiddle with its permissions? |
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| 09:22.59 | sfx_ | -r--r----- 1 root root 1646 Apr 8 23:16 /etc/sudoers |
| 09:23.23 | Ardonik | Did you close your editors? |
| 09:23.27 | sfx_ | yes |
| 09:24.13 | sfx_ | Ardonik: thanks for ur help.. sorry for my silly question.. |
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| 09:25.13 | Ardonik | sfx_: read this link. |
| 09:25.14 | Ardonik | http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/linux-hn/addusers.htm |
| 09:25.18 | mhall | xushi: i don't think that can happen because of antitrust |
| 09:25.20 | Ardonik | You've done something wrong. |
| 09:25.28 | mhall | xushi: microsoft barely got away with making xboxes |
| 09:25.47 | mhall | xushi: if they buy or merge with sony maybe the unix gov't caves in but the japanese aren't so trivially corruptible |
| 09:26.05 | xushi | mhall, makes sense |
| 09:26.17 | xushi | i doubt anyone would even allow them to do something as big as this |
| 09:27.24 | mhall | zubov: not unix gov't btw, us gov't |
| 09:27.28 | mhall | damnit |
| 09:27.33 | mhall | xushi: not unix gov't btw, us gov't |
| 09:27.41 | mhall | i made a freudian slip =) |
| 09:27.45 | caffei | damn.. we could use a unix government. |
| 09:27.58 | sfx_ | Ardonik: i will create a user with grup (e.g linuxusers) |
| 09:27.59 | Ardonik | sfx_: su -c "chmod -v 755 /" |
| 09:28.06 | Ardonik | Then try sudo. |
| 09:28.15 | sfx_ | -v ? |
| 09:28.24 | Ardonik | Verbose. Tell you what it's doing. |
| 09:28.38 | sfx_ | Ardonik: i looked /home directory |
| 09:28.41 | sfx_ | my user is a4tech |
| 09:28.43 | sfx_ | and |
| 09:28.44 | mhall | caffei: yeah unlike the one we have now it'd actually be 1337 |
| 09:28.49 | sfx_ | drwxrwxrwx 22 root root 4096 Apr 8 22:36 a4tech/ |
| 09:28.51 | sfx_ | root root ? |
| 09:28.54 | sfx_ | is it odd ? |
| 09:28.54 | Ardonik | Please run the chmod command. |
| 09:29.02 | sfx_ | Ardonik: ok |
| 09:29.05 | Ardonik | sfx_: how did you add your user? |
| 09:29.16 | Ardonik | Did you really create a directory in /home with 777 permissions? |
| 09:29.21 | Ardonik | That's NOT how you add a user! |
| 09:29.34 | sfx_ | Ardonik: hm... |
| 09:29.43 | Ardonik | Oy! Please read the link I provided. |
| 09:29.49 | Ardonik | Remove that home directory. |
| 09:29.55 | sfx_ | Ardonik: ok :) |
| 09:30.18 | sfx_ | Ardonik: and i runned chmod command |
| 09:30.22 | Ardonik | Good |
| 09:30.37 | Ardonik | The command to add a user, unsurprisingly, is useradd. |
| 09:30.37 | sfx_ | ok sudo is working |
| 09:30.52 | Ardonik | Add the user for real this time. |
| 09:31.04 | Ardonik | Well-- |
| 09:31.13 | Ardonik | Do you have an entry in /etc/password for user "a4tech"? |
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| 09:31.33 | tkhobbes | hi there, using kde 3.4 on gentoo, I did not shut down skype when exited X-session last time. Now when issueing startx, kde crashes. How do I tell kde to *not* restart skype on startup? |
| 09:31.33 | Ardonik | If so, the user's real, if not, there's no such user |
| 09:31.54 | Ardonik | er, /etc/passwd |
| 09:32.39 | sfx_ | Ardonik: yes |
| 09:32.53 | Ardonik | Okay, then it's just the home directory that's screwed up |
| 09:32.56 | sfx_ | Ardonik: i will remove this user and crate new.. |
| 09:33.02 | Ardonik | Sure. |
| 09:33.02 | sfx_ | Ardonik: with groups |
| 09:33.10 | Ardonik | Yeah. Make sure the user's in wheel. |
| 09:33.20 | sfx_ | i am reading this how to |
| 09:33.23 | Ardonik | Good. |
| 09:33.33 | sfx_ | i will create new group ( linuxusers ) |
| 09:33.48 | sfx_ | and create new user into the linuxusers group |
| 09:34.05 | sfx_ | is it true ? |
| 09:34.31 | Ardonik | GO right ahead. Don't forget to do -g linuxusers,wheel |
| 09:34.51 | Ardonik | er, rather |
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| 09:35.02 | Ardonik | -g a4tech -G linuxusers,wheel |
| 09:35.12 | sfx_ | Ardonik: i will delete a4tech user |
| 09:35.24 | sfx_ | Ardonik: my head is broken for a4tech :) |
| 09:36.47 | Ardonik | useradd will create a proper home directory, and then you can do the "sudo cp /root/.kde ~a4tech/.kde && sudo chown -Rv a4tech:a4tech ~a4tech/.kde" as discussed before. |
| 09:37.08 | sfx_ | OK |
| 09:37.13 | sfx_ | Ardonik: groupadd linuxusers |
| 09:37.18 | Ardonik | Yup |
| 09:37.26 | sfx_ | Ardonik: useradd -g linuxusers,wheel eren |
| 09:37.33 | Ardonik | Sure, fine. |
| 09:37.54 | sfx_ | but unknown grup |
| 09:38.05 | Ardonik | useradd -g eren -G linuxusers,wheel eren |
| 09:38.33 | sfx_ | -G is gruop |
| 09:38.35 | sfx_ | group |
| 09:38.38 | sfx_ | but -g ? |
| 09:38.40 | Ardonik | -G is additional groups. |
| 09:38.43 | Ardonik | -g is the initial group. |
| 09:38.45 | sfx_ | hmm |
| 09:38.55 | je | hi all, using kde 3.5.2 Level a and kopete 0.11.1. I can't get a connection to the Server www.icq.com port 5190. |
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| 09:39.10 | sfx_ | you're adding eren user to linuxusers and wheel |
| 09:39.16 | sfx_ | but what is -g eren ? |
| 09:39.47 | Ardonik | -g eren means "make this user's initial group the "eren" group |
| 09:40.12 | Ardonik | Most users are in an initial group that has the same name as their username. |
| 09:40.20 | sfx_ | unknown grup eren :) |
| 09:40.23 | mhall | lol this is too much for me |
| 09:40.25 | mhall | i'm out! |
| 09:40.29 | mhall | gnite =) |
| 09:40.33 | sfx_ | mhall: .. |
| 09:40.40 | sfx_ | mhall: are you boring ? |
| 09:40.43 | Ardonik | Okay, forget it. useradd -g linuxusers -G wheel eren. |
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| 09:41.01 | jarlath | When I click the rss icon on the bottom right of the browser, what is supposed to happen? I dont see a bookmark anywhere like in firefox. |
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| 09:42.35 | jaydot | jarlath: it downloaded all sorts of crap for me, so i ditched it |
| 09:42.58 | tkhobbes | anyone? |
| 09:43.21 | sfx_ | Ardonik: huh... not unique group name is group file.. |
| 09:43.22 | sfx_ | :( |
| 09:43.34 | sfx_ | the problem is me :S |
| 09:43.37 | Ardonik | sfx_: what? |
| 09:43.46 | jarlath | jaydot, okay thanks. |
| 09:43.56 | sfx_ | useradd -g linuxusers -G wheel eren |
| 09:44.22 | Ardonik | What error did you get? |
| 09:44.30 | sfx_ | not unique group name in group file |
| 09:45.29 | tkhobbes | where does kde store the applications to restore for the next session? I just need to edit this setting, basically (putting skype out of the list, I assume) |
| 09:45.30 | Ardonik | Seems unlikely. I can't find any mention of that error message in a web search. |
| 09:45.51 | sfx_ | hmm.. |
| 09:45.54 | sfx_ | yes problem is me :( |
| 09:45.57 | sfx_ | huh |
| 09:47.28 | Ardonik | sfx_: Are you sure that's the exact error message? |
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| 09:48.30 | sfx_ | Ardonik: yes i'm sure and i fixed it |
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| 09:48.35 | sfx_ | -G is error :) |
| 09:48.37 | LIFE | How come I get "Su returned with an error." as soon as I try to run KUser? |
| 09:48.39 | LIFE | :( |
| 09:48.48 | sfx_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.55 | Ardonik | No. |
| 09:49.01 | Ardonik | useradd does that for you. |
| 09:49.10 | Ardonik | If you fixed the problem, sudo should work now. |
| 09:49.11 | sfx_ | but doenst it |
| 09:49.20 | sfx_ | ohh 1 min |
| 09:49.28 | sfx_ | useradd -g linuxusers eren |
| 09:49.30 | sfx_ | thats ok |
| 09:49.33 | sfx_ | groups eren |
| 09:49.39 | sfx_ | output: linuxusers |
| 09:49.43 | Ardonik | But you needed to be in wheel. |
| 09:49.53 | Ardonik | You can edit /etc/groups and add yourself again. |
| 09:49.54 | sfx_ | but home directory does not exist |
| 09:50.00 | Ardonik | What? |
| 09:50.06 | sfx_ | Ardonik: yes.. doest not exist |
| 09:50.09 | Ardonik | ls -aFl ~eren |
| 09:50.11 | sfx_ | does* |
| 09:50.31 | sfx_ | ls: /home/eren: No such file or directory |
| 09:50.40 | sfx_ | huh.. |
| 09:50.51 | Ardonik | Bizarre. |
| 09:50.58 | Ardonik | Whatever, man. Create the directory and move on. |
| 09:51.32 | Ardonik | All we're trying to do is copy the kde settings from root into this eren user. |
| 09:51.34 | Ardonik | Do that now. |
| 09:51.39 | jaydot | i need some help networking - or trying to - in kde |
| 09:51.50 | Ardonik | jaydot: networking in what sense? |
| 09:51.54 | sfx_ | Ardonik: Kuser ? |
| 09:52.06 | Ardonik | sfx_: huh?? |
| 09:52.11 | jaydot | i can't get kde to let me out. i have to use gnome |
| 09:52.16 | sfx_ | Ardonik: i will create new user with k user as root |
| 09:52.33 | sfx_ | Ardonik: create home directory for user options. |
| 09:52.35 | Ardonik | sfx_: I actively do not see why adding a user is giving you so many problems. |
| 09:52.35 | sfx_ | option |
| 09:52.41 | jaydot | Ardonik: if i want to surf the web i have to boot to gnome |
| 09:53.07 | jaydot | Ardonik: if i use kde at all and then log out and into gnome the netowrk is gone and i have to reboot |
| 09:53.19 | jaydot | Ardonik: that is bizarre |
| 09:53.22 | Ardonik | sfx_: Ah, for useradd, pass the -m option. |
| 09:53.37 | Ardonik | useradd -g linuxusers -G wheel -m eren. |
| 09:53.38 | sfx_ | Ardonik: yeess. |
| 09:54.01 | Ardonik | jaydot: the network is highly independent of your desktop environment |
| 09:54.18 | sfx_ | Ardonik: yess |
| 09:54.21 | Ardonik | Without KDE or GNOME, you should be able to access the network from a console just the same |
| 09:54.27 | sfx_ | Ardonik: i wil use it |
| 09:54.29 | sfx_ | Ardonik: wait me plz |
| 09:54.42 | sfx_ | Ardonik: thank you very very much |
| 09:54.53 | Ardonik | sfx_: "man useradd" could have told you all this and more. |
| 09:55.00 | sfx_ | Ardonik: ok |
| 09:55.00 | jaydot | Ardonik: i am not well enough up to speed on using a console in linux |
| 09:55.01 | sfx_ | brb |
| 09:55.03 | Ardonik | USe the man pages for any unfamiliar command from now on. |
| 09:55.18 | jaydot | Ardonik: i am so new to linux the shine aint wore off yet |
| 09:55.34 | Ardonik | jaydot: obviously your network is working now. Do you go through an HTTP proxy server? |
| 09:55.45 | jaydot | Ardonik: no. i use dhcp |
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| 09:56.02 | Ardonik | Fair enough. What error do you get when browsing with konqueror? |
| 09:56.24 | jaydot | Ardonik: when i first install kde will do the initial update, after that no netwrk at all unless i use gnome |
| 09:56.37 | Ardonik | I don't believe it. |
| 09:56.42 | Ardonik | Are you in KDE now? |
| 09:56.50 | jaydot | Ardonik: it just fails to connect. konq, opera, irc, any of it |
| 09:57.01 | Ardonik | jaydot: IRC too? |
| 09:57.08 | Ardonik | What happens if you ping some known host? |
| 09:57.09 | jaydot | Ardonik: no ime in gnome, else we wouldn't betalking |
| 09:57.33 | Ardonik | jaydot: have you considered running "ifup eth0" as root? |
| 09:57.33 | jaydot | Ardonik: if i boot to failsafe and ping i can dance around the network |
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| 09:58.08 | eren | Ardonik: hi |
| 09:58.09 | Ardonik | There's nothing about KDE that should change your network settings at all. |
| 09:58.09 | jaydot | Ardonik: i have run that in the past but it seems to make no diff |
| 09:58.16 | eren | Ardonik: i'm sfx |
| 09:58.20 | Ardonik | eren: yeah |
| 09:58.30 | Ardonik | eren: Same KDE settings as root had before? |
| 09:58.35 | jaydot | Ardonik: it isn't changing the settings, merely blocking them |
| 09:58.38 | eren | Ardonik: heh now i will edit /etc/groups |
| 09:58.46 | eren | then root's kde settings |
| 09:58.50 | Ardonik | Blocking? What do you mean? |
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| 09:59.17 | Ardonik | You're telling me KDE is somehow bringing down your network interface, and I doubt it's doing that. |
| 09:59.24 | jaydot | Ardonik: when i boot to kde it somehow gets in the way of the network, gnome doesn't |
| 09:59.45 | Ardonik | Again, doubtful. What happens when you try running ifup eth0 from kde? |
| 09:59.57 | jaydot | Ardonik: i don't know enuff to know what is doing it, but the network is ok in gnome and not in kde |
| 10:00.00 | eren | Ardonik: i wanna all root's setting.. most of kde |
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| 10:00.20 | Ardonik | eren: sudo cp /root/.kde ~eren/.kde |
| 10:00.32 | eren | hm another command ? |
| 10:00.38 | Ardonik | eren: then sudo chown -Rv eren:eren ~eren/.kde |
| 10:00.42 | jaydot | Ardonik: ok, i'll log into kde and do ifup and then come back when it doesn't work. bbl |
| 10:00.49 | Ardonik | jaydot: wait. |
| 10:01.00 | Ardonik | left ctrl + left alt + f1 will bring up a tty. |
| 10:01.16 | Ardonik | Your seventh tty (ctrl + alt + f7) is X (which is what you're seeing now.) |
| 10:01.24 | Ardonik | Go to your tty and ping google.com. |
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| 10:01.43 | Ardonik | Then, log out of gnome, log into kde, and go *back* to your tty and perform the ping again. |
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| 10:01.55 | Ardonik | Hypothesis: the ping will work just fine. |
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| 10:02.30 | eren | eren@localhost ~ $ sudo chown -Rv eren:eren ~eren/.kde |
| 10:02.30 | eren | chown: `eren:eren': invalid group |
| 10:02.30 | eren | eren@localhost ~ $ sudo chown -Rv eren:linuxusers ~eren/.kde |
| 10:02.30 | eren | ownership of `/home/eren/.kde' retained as eren:linuxusers |
| 10:02.33 | eren | Ardonik: is it ok ? |
| 10:02.42 | eren | and |
| 10:02.42 | eren | eren@localhost ~ $ sudo cp /root/.kde ~eren/.kde |
| 10:02.43 | eren | cp: omitting directory `/root/.kde' |
| 10:02.44 | Ardonik | eren:linnuxusers instead of eren:eren. |
| 10:02.50 | Ardonik | and cp -Rv. |
| 10:02.53 | eren | chown: `eren:eren': invalid group |
| 10:03.10 | eren | drwxr-xr-x 8 eren linuxusers 4096 Apr 8 23:55 eren/ |
| 10:03.17 | eren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:03.21 | lehmann | hi folks |
| 10:03.30 | hagabaka | is anyone else having problem opening Gmail with konqueror? |
| 10:03.52 | lehmann | how can i make konqueror not to create a new ~/Desktop dir everytime i delete it? |
| 10:03.52 | Ardonik | Does gmail even support KHTML-based browsers yet? |
| 10:04.15 | hagabaka | it used to work for me before |
| 10:04.25 | eren | Ardonik: copying |
| 10:04.35 | eren | ok end |
| 10:04.46 | eren | now ? |
| 10:04.47 | Ardonik | Done. Your KDE settings have migrated. |
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| 10:05.08 | DeadS0ul | Ardonik: gmail works fine with konqui, |
| 10:05.11 | Ardonik | If you log out and log in, the old settings should load. |
| 10:05.17 | eren | Ardonik: i will restart kde |
| 10:05.19 | hagabaka | at first it redirected me to the basic html page, but when i identified as Mozilla or Firefox, the advanced interface worked too. but now after I send the username and password, it redirects me back to the login page |
| 10:05.21 | eren | Ardonik: ok |
| 10:05.23 | eren | brb |
| 10:05.39 | pinotree | lehmann: you can't, as having a ~/Desktop directory is per-freedesktop.org standard |
| 10:06.34 | lehmann | pinotree: but i dont need it and dont want it |
| 10:06.48 | lehmann | where's the freedom of choice? |
| 10:06.49 | pinotree | how can you use the desktop, then? |
| 10:07.17 | lehmann | i dont use the desktop |
| 10:07.39 | pinotree | !? |
| 10:07.46 | Ardonik | So turn its display off. |
| 10:07.53 | Ardonik | Or turn off its icons or whatnot. |
| 10:08.09 | Ardonik | Any particular reason you want the directory itself to be absent? |
| 10:08.15 | lehmann | im using xfce as desktop environment and konqueror as file manager, and i dont want that Desktop folder because i dont need it |
| 10:08.18 | Ardonik | Other desktop environments depend on it too |
| 10:08.31 | pinotree | lehmann: xfce uses the Desktop dir too, iirc |
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| 10:08.43 | DeadS0ul | lehmann: you can chnage your Desktop Dir in KDE |
| 10:08.52 | lehmann | pinotree: no it doesnt |
| 10:08.54 | pinotree | the modern DE are implementing (more or less) the fdo specs |
| 10:08.58 | DeadS0ul | that could stop it from creating the Desktop dir, but you must have a desktop dir |
| 10:09.09 | Ardonik | lehmann: and obeying FreeDekstop standards is a good thing. |
| 10:09.21 | lehmann | DeadS0ul: how can i change that? in the kontrolcenter? |
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| 10:10.57 | eren | Ardonik: hi again |
| 10:11.04 | Ardonik | It worked, right? |
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| 10:11.16 | eren | Ardonik: themes, configurations do not work.. |
| 10:11.26 | Ardonik | Recreate them. |
| 10:11.34 | caffei | Ardonik, not necessarily... replacing the dcop backend with dbus in KDE4 is a step backwards imo. dcop is older, more mature, and written in C++. dbus is none of those things. :x |
| 10:11.36 | eren | sudp cp -Rf /root/.kde ~eren/.kde |
| 10:11.42 | eren | sudo cp -Rf /root/.kde ~eren/.kde |
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| 10:12.06 | eren | Ardonik: is it true ? |
| 10:12.07 | Ardonik | caffei: from the perspective of this end user, freedesktop adoption can't take place soon enough |
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| 10:12.27 | Ardonik | cp -Rv |
| 10:12.33 | Ardonik | But you did that already |
| 10:12.40 | DeadS0ul | Bmeh |
| 10:12.45 | Ardonik | And you chowned the .kde directory |
| 10:12.53 | Ardonik | If it's still not working, I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 10:13.13 | eren | Ardonik: ok i copied |
| 10:13.16 | eren | Ardonik: now ? |
| 10:13.20 | Ardonik | ... |
| 10:13.21 | caffei | Ardonik, I do want standardization, but I think in the case of dcop vs. dbus at least, it's going in the wrong direction. FDO should've just standardized dcop instead of coming up with something new. |
| 10:13.28 | Ardonik | So you mean you ndid't even copy yet? |
| 10:13.37 | jaydot | Ardonik: this is what i did: logout gnome, login kde, terminal, su, pass, ifup eth0, network funning dhcp already |
| 10:13.40 | eren | no.. i deleted and copied again |
| 10:13.52 | eren | chown command ? |
| 10:13.52 | Ardonik | Okay |
| 10:14.02 | Ardonik | sudo chown -Rv eren:linuxusers ~/.kde |
| 10:14.04 | jaydot | Ardonik: ping desktop, unreachable, ping other desktop, unreachable |
| 10:14.05 | caffei | Ardonik, next thing you know,GNOME will reinvent yet another old KDE feature and fdo will standardize an impl based on Mono of all things. |
| 10:14.20 | Ardonik | jaydot: your networking problem transcends KDE. |
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| 10:14.37 | eren | Ardonik: ok |
| 10:14.40 | jaydot | Ardonik: logout kde, login gnome, network unreachable, reboot to gnome network ok |
| 10:14.56 | eren | Ardonik: i will logout and login |
| 10:14.58 | jaydot | Ardonik: whatever it is i can't fix it |
| 10:15.16 | Ardonik | jaydot: try dmesg or something. |
| 10:15.25 | Ardonik | I jsut really don't think KDE's your problen. |
| 10:15.27 | jaydot | Ardonik: i been that route |
| 10:15.36 | Ardonik | jaydot: I can't help you. |
| 10:15.44 | eren | Ardonik: i will logout brb |
| 10:16.03 | jaydot | Ardonik: thx for trying, it will get sorted eventually |
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| 10:18.17 | Elrond | kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Editors/texmacs.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/texmacs' |
| 10:18.21 | Elrond | What's this? |
| 10:18.53 | The_ManU | one question, where can i download mac os x icons and window style for kde, and how to install them, do you have a tutorial? |
| 10:19.19 | Ardonik | The_ManU: http://www.kde-look.org |
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| 10:19.39 | Ardonik | a search for Mac OSX should yield more results than you could ever imagine |
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| 10:21.28 | DeadS0ul | look up baghira man |
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| 10:22.59 | Elrond | Any hints for my warning? |
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| 10:23.27 | Ardonik | Elrond: nothing beyond "do a web search for it" |
| 10:24.02 | Ardonik | Someone was asking earlier how to stop Skype from firing up automatically in KDE. |
| 10:24.11 | Ardonik | The answer is to remove it from ~/.kde/Autostart |
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| 10:24.25 | Elrond | :) |
| 10:24.26 | The_ManU | ok thx Ardonik |
| 10:24.32 | Ardonik | As described here: http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/startup.php#components |
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| 10:25.42 | edrop | hi |
| 10:25.55 | edrop | how can I configure a theme in superkaramba ?? |
| 10:26.19 | Ardonik | By editing its config file |
| 10:26.29 | edrop | where to find it ?? |
| 10:26.31 | Ardonik | The theme should come with instructions |
| 10:26.49 | _matt | edrop: right click on the theme, and use the "Configure Theme" option |
| 10:27.00 | _matt | edrop: what theme? |
| 10:27.08 | edrop | it's disabled |
| 10:27.15 | edrop | it's sys_mon |
| 10:27.49 | _matt | edrop: then you'll need to get into either the .theme file, or the .py file, and change stuff |
| 10:28.20 | edrop | ok |
| 10:28.36 | edrop | I need to change the default interface |
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| 10:28.46 | _nadim | Arrrrgggg! enough is enough! I'm switching to gnome if this continues. |
| 10:28.46 | edrop | cause the network monitor sticks on zero |
| 10:28.59 | jimmy_ | hi, anybody who knows how to change the 'hover' background colour of a task on the taskbar? |
| 10:29.14 | _nadim | about 2 weeks ago I got some help because the mime db and and some bozo caching of it messed up in KDE |
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| 10:29.41 | _nadim | This is amking all work unpractical when I have to click 50 times before I get a file opened |
| 10:29.52 | Ardonik | _nadim: I don't think anyone here will be too concerned if you make the switch. :-) |
| 10:30.00 | _nadim | is there a way to blow away the caches and rebuild the mime DB? |
| 10:30.24 | _nadim | Ardonik: Am I supposed to laugh? |
| 10:30.46 | Ardonik | _nadim: righteous indignation isn't the best way to ask for help, IMO |
| 10:31.13 | _nadim | Ardonik: is it possible for you to _not_ be involved in my indignation? |
| 10:31.25 | Ardonik | Easily. |
| 10:31.29 | _nadim | thank you |
| 10:32.07 | DeadS0ul | kooka isn' tmuch of a scanning program I tink |
| 10:32.08 | jimmy_ | someone ate a cactus for breakfast |
| 10:32.43 | _nadim | Does anyone know where the caching/mime thingy is describe? there might be some solutions describeed there. |
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| 10:33.34 | _nadim | A nice soul helped me two weeks ago, things got a bit better but not for new installed apps. I unfortunately don't remember who he/she was. |
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| 10:33.55 | Ardonik | One catches more flies with honey than with cacti. |
| 10:34.02 | Quasty | hey guys |
| 10:34.24 | _nadim | Jimmy_: I actually ate a file open dialog that displays an error everytime you add a path |
| 10:34.44 | _nadim | call that a cactus if you want |
| 10:34.45 | jimmy_ | kinky |
| 10:35.07 | _nadim | let me see if I can a screenshot so you can have a good laugh |
| 10:35.15 | Quasty | can someone of you help me with something? |
| 10:35.31 | _nadim | shoot |
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| 10:35.37 | Ardonik | Just ask--no need to ask for permission to ask |
| 10:36.14 | Quasty | I'd like the icons in the kde-starmenu smaller...I've seen it smaller in root mode...but how can I do that with my userlogin |
| 10:36.54 | jimmy_ | does anyone know when xgl will be supported in kde? :) |
| 10:37.10 | _matt | it is |
| 10:37.15 | jimmy_ | it is? |
| 10:37.28 | _matt | well you can run kde on it |
| 10:37.45 | jimmy_ | yes, you can, but it can handle my multiple desktops for example |
| 10:38.03 | _matt | It does its own multiple desktops |
| 10:38.11 | Quasty | any ideas? :P |
| 10:38.34 | Q-collective | Jimmy_: if you mean support through kwin: that might take a while |
| 10:38.43 | DeadS0ul | Quasty: one sec |
| 10:38.46 | jimmy_ | I'm willing to wait ... |
| 10:38.48 | Quasty | thanks |
| 10:38.50 | jimmy_ | I hate using gnome |
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| 10:39.18 | eren_ | hehe |
| 10:39.20 | eren_ | okay :D |
| 10:39.32 | Ardonik | Quasty: kcontrol -> LookNFeel -> Icons -> Advanced. |
| 10:39.37 | _matt | Jimmy_: I'm using xgl and compiz with kde as we speak - it works great |
| 10:39.37 | eren_ | Ardonik: hii |
| 10:39.50 | Ardonik | Quasty: play with those a bit--maybe one of them does what you want |
| 10:40.01 | Quasty | ok |
| 10:40.02 | Ardonik | eren_: Did it work this time? |
| 10:40.07 | eren_ | Ardonik: i logged as root and copy all hidden files to /home/eren and chown eren:linuxusers |
| 10:40.11 | eren_ | :) |
| 10:40.19 | eren_ | with kde |
| 10:40.20 | jimmy_ | _matt: maybe if I start out with a clean profile, rather then trying to run it with my current settings |
| 10:40.31 | Ardonik | eren_: for the last time, logging in as root in KDE is a bad idea. |
| 10:40.47 | eren_ | Ardonik: i couldn't copy all files :( |
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| 10:41.00 | eren_ | Ardonik: i never login as root, i promise :) |
| 10:41.01 | Ardonik | Yes you can. Root can do anything. |
| 10:41.22 | _matt | Jimmy_: Not sure. I'm on gentoo, and used the gentoo wiki to install. All went very smooth. I've also installed a patched kdelibs to deal with some systray issues. |
| 10:41.35 | Ash-Fox | I once deleted my root account from my system accidently |
| 10:41.47 | eren_ | Ardonik: but some problems.. su, as root kde uses root acces need programs |
| 10:41.50 | jimmy_ | _matt: do you also have a kde-window-decorator? |
| 10:42.11 | Ardonik | eren_: that's what the chown -Rv was for. |
| 10:42.19 | eren_ | me |
| 10:42.21 | eren_ | eren:linuxusers |
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| 10:42.29 | Quasty | hm...it's not working ardonik....got more ideas? :S |
| 10:42.33 | _matt | Jimmy_: No. Doesn't work as far as I'm aware. Also requires qt4. Just use the gnome-window-decorator. It works well enough |
| 10:42.37 | Ardonik | Quasty: No. |
| 10:42.37 | eren_ | Ardonik: and sound problem... |
| 10:42.46 | Ardonik | eren_: sudo emerge lsof. |
| 10:42.46 | Quasty | alright thanks anyway :) |
| 10:42.46 | Ash-Fox | I first started using linux, and I wanted to see what various files were, so I asked people what editor to use, they told me vi, I looked at /etc/passwd under root and then couldn't figure how to get out, so I bashed on my keyboard in frustration, and some how deleted the first line and saved |
| 10:43.10 | eren_ | Ardonik: ok i'm emerging |
| 10:43.15 | Ash-Fox | that was, 5 years ago I think |
| 10:43.25 | Ardonik | Ash-Fox: moral of the story: use emacs |
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| 10:43.30 | eren_ | Ardonik: thank you tooo much |
| 10:43.41 | Ash-Fox | Ardonik, I use mcedit :) |
| 10:43.46 | Ardonik | eren_: Now that you have lsof, do sudo lsof /dev/dsp |
| 10:43.52 | Ardonik | Ash-Fox: bleah |
| 10:44.01 | DeadS0ul | ..damn mabye I shouldn't have run apt-get upgrade * today |
| 10:44.07 | eren_ | Ardonik: what is lsof ? |
| 10:44.24 | Ardonik | the command you just emerged. It stands for "list open files." |
| 10:44.26 | Ardonik | But don't ask me. |
| 10:44.29 | Ardonik | Read the man page. |
| 10:44.31 | Ardonik | man lsof. |
| 10:44.33 | eren_ | Ardonik: OK |
| 10:44.44 | Ash-Fox | Ardonik, I like the highlighting in mcedit :) |
| 10:44.52 | eren_ | Ardonik: my english is not best :) |
| 10:44.59 | eren_ | Ardonik: sometimes i cant understand |
| 10:45.07 | Ardonik | eren_: that's okay |
| 10:45.16 | Ardonik | Ash-Fox: Emacs has highlighting natively |
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| 10:45.28 | Ardonik | And you can highlight the current line with M-x global-hl-line-mode |
| 10:45.38 | Ardonik | etc., etc. |
| 10:46.09 | eren_ | Ardonik: i runned sudo lsof /dev/dsp, there is no output , is it ok ? |
| 10:46.33 | Ardonik | Nothing's locking your /dev/dsp |
| 10:46.37 | Ardonik | Play a sound. |
| 10:46.47 | DeadS0ul | could he be using alsa? |
| 10:46.54 | Ardonik | DeadS0ul: possibly |
| 10:46.59 | Ardonik | Or arther, likely |
| 10:47.22 | eren_ | Ardonik: no sound :( |
| 10:47.28 | DeadS0ul | where should hse look for alsa then? |
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| 10:48.16 | _nadim | Here: http://www.khemir.net/~nadim/mime/ in chronological order. Oddly the mouse pointer is a clock all the time! |
| 10:48.32 | Ardonik | /dev/snd/* maybe |
| 10:48.43 | Ardonik | eren_: is artsd running? |
| 10:48.52 | Ardonik | Well, it shouldn't matter |
| 10:48.56 | eren_ | Ardonik: i think no.. |
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| 10:49.08 | eren_ | Ardonik: how can i learn it ? |
| 10:49.17 | Ardonik | Does it still complain about device busy when you play a sound? |
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| 10:50.05 | Ardonik | eren_: a web search for artsd will tell you what you need to know |
| 10:50.07 | ciclistaAleijado | Hi... Do I have to use C++ to write applications for KDE/QT? |
| 10:51.11 | DeadS0ul | naw you can use python |
| 10:51.24 | ciclistaAleijado | DeadS0ul: Can I use lisp? |
| 10:51.45 | Ardonik | There are evidently Qt C bindings out there |
| 10:51.50 | pinotree | there's pyQt/pyKDE if you know python |
| 10:51.53 | DeadS0ul | i don't think so |
| 10:52.05 | pinotree | there's the ruby binding too |
| 10:52.18 | eren_ | Ardonik: no sound.. i am using amarok it doesnt play anything |
| 10:52.42 | Ardonik | eren_: use mpg123 and play an mp3 |
| 10:52.45 | DeadS0ul | eren, what're you using to get your sound wokring? oss or alsa? |
| 10:52.45 | Ardonik | from the command line |
| 10:53.20 | eren_ | Ardonik: when starts kde gives error. /dev/dsp permission denied |
| 10:53.43 | Ardonik | eren_: ls -aFl /dev/dsp |
| 10:53.47 | Ash-Fox | You can also use TCL and perl |
| 10:54.00 | eren_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Apr 9 00:17 /dev/dsp -> sound/dsp |
| 10:54.06 | eren_ | yess :) |
| 10:54.08 | eren_ | chown ? |
| 10:54.12 | Ardonik | eren_: ls -aFl /dev/sound/dsp |
| 10:54.27 | eren_ | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Apr 9 00:17 /dev/sound/dsp |
| 10:54.28 | eren_ | ohhh |
| 10:54.29 | eren_ | yeah |
| 10:54.38 | eren_ | i must add to audio group |
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| 10:54.42 | eren_ | :) |
| 10:54.46 | rober | hi |
| 10:54.51 | DeadS0ul | hehehe |
| 10:54.53 | Ardonik | Looks like root owns the sound device |
| 10:54.56 | _nadim | hmm, same question yesterday and no answer there too. |
| 10:55.05 | Ardonik | But add yourself to the audio group and try again |
| 10:55.12 | eren_ | Ardonik: ok |
| 10:56.07 | eren_ | audio:x:10:eren |
| 10:56.07 | eren_ | ? |
| 10:56.25 | Ardonik | You're a member already. |
| 10:56.29 | DeadS0ul | did you edit the grop file directly? |
| 10:56.35 | rober | hey, does anyone know if qt is slotted in gentoo ? i have qt in ~x86 and it wants to install qt-4.1.2 whereas i just want qt-3.3.6 (stable is marked as 3.3.4!!!) |
| 10:56.36 | eren_ | Ardonik: i added it :) |
| 10:56.47 | Ardonik | Okay, player an mp3 |
| 10:56.50 | Ardonik | er, play |
| 10:57.38 | eren_ | oohh... |
| 10:57.43 | eren_ | alsa problem :) |
| 10:57.45 | eren_ | one min |
| 10:57.56 | eren_ | brb |
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| 11:04.05 | The_ManU | hm, when i have downloaded a skin, how to install and can it make X/kdm unstable? (like wine emulations) |
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| 11:05.07 | Ardonik | The_Ball: kde-look.org comes with "how to install" instructions for everything that you download. |
| 11:05.14 | Ardonik | er, I meant "The_Manu" |
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| 11:05.30 | Ardonik | Follow those. It's not gonna make KDe unstable. |
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| 11:05.43 | Ardonik | Generally you can just drag and drop themes into the theme manager windows. |
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| 11:06.45 | ibaKa | How are default kde packages chosen? If my app was good enough, but was made in lisp, ie, requiring clisp to work, could it still be part of the KDE's core? |
| 11:07.31 | Ardonik | ibaKa: ask the KDE devs at #kde-devel |
| 11:08.06 | ibaKa | Ardonik: Thanks! (sorry if sounded pretentious =P) |
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| 11:08.49 | Ardonik | It didn't sound pretentious at all |
| 11:08.52 | The_ManU | hm ok Ardonik and whats about quickness? if i use many hover effects etc. makes it my machine slower? 2,6ghz 1024 mb ram |
| 11:09.10 | Ardonik | A machine like that? I doubt it. |
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| 11:09.33 | Ardonik | KDE ran fast for me on a Pentium 233 with 64 MB of RAM. |
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| 11:10.32 | Q-collective | hehe |
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| 11:17.12 | eren_ | hi |
| 11:17.19 | DeadS0ul | sound works? |
| 11:17.19 | eren_ | Ardonik: huh.. no sound :( |
| 11:17.27 | eren_ | no :( |
| 11:17.41 | DeadS0ul | what was the error on kde start up/ |
| 11:17.55 | eren_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:18.00 | eren_ | permissin denied |
| 11:18.05 | Ardonik | eren_: sudo chown eren:audio /dev/sound/dsp |
| 11:18.07 | eren_ | i edited permission |
| 11:18.08 | The_ManU | Ardonik: ok, nice |
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| 11:18.15 | DeadS0ul | open a shell and run mpg321 =P |
| 11:18.20 | Ardonik | Probably leftover from when you were playing sounds as root. |
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| 11:19.10 | eren_ | huh.. |
| 11:19.14 | eren_ | mp3's root:root |
| 11:19.15 | eren_ | :) |
| 11:19.34 | Ardonik | So chown them. |
| 11:19.49 | eren_ | ok |
| 11:21.12 | eren_ | but artsd doesnt work |
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| 11:21.44 | eren_ | http://pastebin.com/649256 |
| 11:21.57 | eren_ | lol |
| 11:22.02 | eren_ | ok ok do not visit :D |
| 11:23.33 | eren_ | yeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 11:23.36 | eren_ | :P |
| 11:23.58 | eren_ | tooooo mucch thanks for everything to everybody |
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| 11:24.11 | Ardonik | What does mpg123 do when you play an mp3? |
| 11:24.17 | Ardonik | From a console. |
| 11:24.25 | DeadS0ul | it..plays..the mp3s |
| 11:24.36 | Ardonik | Or at least it should. |
| 11:24.44 | DeadS0ul | sometimes it spits an error |
| 11:24.52 | DeadS0ul | he probably has mroe than one sound device |
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| 11:25.02 | Ardonik | I figured it was permission problems |
| 11:25.06 | DeadS0ul | i had that trouble before |
| 11:25.16 | Ardonik | My souund doesn't work either when another user owns /dev/dsp |
| 11:25.43 | eren_ | wtf amarok doest not play ana mp3 but juk plays |
| 11:25.56 | eren_ | an* |
| 11:26.04 | Ardonik | If juk plays, your sound works, and it's just amaroK that needs to be configured. |
| 11:26.04 | eren_ | :S |
| 11:26.10 | DeadS0ul | for me my usb headset or usb webcam always too hw:0,0 for alsa, I had to mess aroudn with asound to get them assignd properly |
| 11:26.30 | eren_ | OK |
| 11:26.36 | Ardonik | eren_: I suppose you're using alsa. Are you using artsd too? ps fx | grep arts will tell you. |
| 11:26.50 | eren_ | i'm using alsa |
| 11:26.55 | Ardonik | DeadS0ul: but in those instance his sound works |
| 11:27.07 | DeadS0ul | ah |
| 11:27.20 | Ardonik | It's just amaroK that won't play.... |
| 11:27.35 | DeadS0ul | oh, could it be the way his amarok is configured then/ |
| 11:27.37 | eren_ | hmm |
| 11:27.40 | eren_ | how can i fix ? |
| 11:27.40 | Ardonik | Aye |
| 11:27.47 | Ardonik | ps fx | grep arts. |
| 11:28.01 | Ardonik | If you're using arts, tell amarok to talk to it. |
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| 11:28.41 | eren_ | Ardonik: OK playing |
| 11:28.51 | eren_ | Ardonik: but, what is diffrent alsa or arts ? |
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| 11:30.32 | Ardonik | eren_: arts is a sound server that allows multiple apps to go through it to talk to the sound hardware. |
| 11:30.49 | eren_ | ohh sorry tags |
| 11:30.59 | Ardonik | So it all works? |
| 11:31.07 | eren_ | yes |
| 11:31.10 | Ardonik | Finally. |
| 11:31.23 | eren_ | Ardonik: thank you very very much |
| 11:31.29 | eren_ | root sux :P |
| 11:31.30 | Ardonik | Sure thing |
| 11:31.52 | Ardonik | Root's a tool, not a normal user |
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| 11:32.06 | eren_ | Ardonik: i understood OK |
| 11:32.16 | eren_ | Ardonik: and we runned "chmod 777 /" ?? |
| 11:32.32 | Ardonik | Ergh! No. |
| 11:32.36 | Ardonik | chmod 755 /. |
| 11:32.44 | eren_ | oh |
| 11:32.47 | eren_ | :S |
| 11:32.52 | eren_ | 777 ? 755 ? :S |
| 11:32.57 | Ardonik | man chmod. |
| 11:32.58 | eren_ | i'll run again |
| 11:33.01 | Ardonik | Wait |
| 11:33.04 | Ardonik | You already did that. |
| 11:33.12 | eren_ | i dont know what i did |
| 11:33.14 | eren_ | :) |
| 11:33.17 | Ardonik | Basically, never set any thing as 777 with chmod. |
| 11:33.19 | eren_ | i couldn remember :) |
| 11:33.24 | Ardonik | It's extremely dangerous. |
| 11:33.40 | eren_ | i know |
| 11:33.50 | Ardonik | Well, it's dangerous, anyway. |
| 11:34.00 | eren_ | but i couldn't remember what i did |
| 11:34.03 | Ardonik | Extrememly dangerous would be running SSHD without kowing what sshd_config was. |
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| 11:34.21 | eren_ | i 'll run again |
| 11:34.26 | Ardonik | Why? |
| 11:34.44 | eren_ | i think. i runned 777 |
| 11:34.47 | eren_ | huh.. |
| 11:34.54 | Ardonik | Oy, yeah then |
| 11:34.56 | Ardonik | 755 |
| 11:34.57 | eren_ | drwxrwxrwx |
| 11:34.59 | eren_ | :) |
| 11:35.03 | eren_ | so it is 777 :) |
| 11:35.11 | eren_ | what is the parameter ? |
| 11:35.35 | Ardonik | sudo chmod -v 777 /. |
| 11:35.39 | Ardonik | But |
| 11:35.40 | Ardonik | Wait. |
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| 11:35.43 | Ardonik | Type man chmod first. |
| 11:35.51 | Ardonik | Know what commands you're running before you run them. |
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| 11:37.03 | eren_ | 777 ? |
| 11:37.51 | Ardonik | Again, I refer you to "man chmod". |
| 11:38.00 | Ardonik | And I meant 755 above. |
| 11:38.02 | eren_ | ok ok |
| 11:38.22 | Q-collective | 644 should be enough |
| 11:38.34 | eren_ | for / ? |
| 11:38.38 | Q-collective | sure |
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| 11:39.56 | Ardonik | Q-collective: no. / needs to be executable. |
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| 11:40.18 | Ardonik | 644 is for files. |
| 11:40.48 | Q-collective | yeah, fair enough |
| 11:40.49 | Q-collective | :) |
| 11:41.04 | Ardonik | I do hope he didn't follow that advice |
| 11:41.06 | qupada | not always |
| 11:41.25 | qupada | i keep the contents of my home directory as 600 |
| 11:41.35 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 11:41.50 | Ardonik | Mine's 700 too. |
| 11:42.05 | Ardonik | I wonder how you can even use your home directory when you're not allowed to execute it, qupada |
| 11:42.09 | Q-collective | but I don't see /home as part of / tbh, since I have it as a seperate partition mostly |
| 11:42.11 | Q-collective | ;p |
| 11:43.28 | qupada | Ardonik: i could make a smart-arse comment, but you know very well i meant files |
| 11:44.30 | Ardonik | qupada: I didn't know--I thought you meant 600 for ~ itself. |
| 11:46.16 | qupada | right, never mind then |
| 11:48.52 | thiago_home | you don't want to use directories without +x |
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| 11:55.37 | sfx_ | hi again :) |
| 11:56.08 | sfx_ | some programs need root authority |
| 11:56.25 | sfx_ | and su doesnt work :) |
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| 12:05.39 | JohnBat26 | Hi all |
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| 12:08.19 | Somefilename | Anyone know how to make my bar translucid? |
| 12:09.02 | pwuertz | kicker? |
| 12:09.21 | islamguide_com | right click the taskbar>click configure panel> appearance tab> enable transparency |
| 12:09.24 | Somefilename | pwuertz, Kicker? |
| 12:09.56 | Somefilename | islamguide_com, Ok - thanks - I will try it. |
| 12:09.58 | pwuertz | Somefilename, the bar with the big K ? |
| 12:10.01 | pwuertz | ok.. kicker ^^ |
| 12:10.36 | islamguide_com | kicker = taskbar in windows |
| 12:11.27 | JohnBat26 | I have a problem with kppp and bluetooth |
| 12:11.31 | JohnBat26 | ?? |
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| 12:15.19 | pwuertz | JohnBat26, what is it? |
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| 12:15.25 | sturmflut | Hi, is there a way to configure Konqueror 3.5.2 so that it always fakes the User Agent String? |
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| 12:15.48 | pwuertz | JohnBat26, unfortunately bluetooth isnt very common |
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| 12:22.51 | pinotree | sturmflut: settings -> configure -> user agent |
| 12:25.46 | sturmflut | pinotree: Sure, but how do I configure that so that the User Agent will be e.g. "Internet Explorer 7.0 on Solaris SPARC" for ALL sites? I can't seem to change the default value and the "Site/Domain-specific" dialog won't take any wildcards (at least I could not find the wildcard character if it exists) |
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| 12:26.41 | Somefilename | I forgot to ask something: Can I change the KMenu icon and how? |
| 12:26.44 | ilj | hey guys, for those of you who runs Slackware and KDE check this out [ http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=37628 ] it might be interesting to you. |
| 12:26.54 | pinotree | ~kmenu |
| 12:27.01 | apt | Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbfx |
| 12:27.04 | pinotree | Somefilename: ^^ |
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| 12:27.38 | Somefilename | pinotree, Is that a yes? |
| 12:28.05 | pinotree | sturmflut: maybe deactivating the send user agent checkbox could help, but don't think it's possible spoofing the user agent fr ALL the sites |
| 12:28.18 | pinotree | Somefilename: yes, and read what apt said |
| 12:28.50 | Somefilename | Ok, thanks apt bot. :) |
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| 13:01.49 | illogica1 | no one here happens to know what OS X identifies itself as (architecture) to the compiler do they? |
| 13:02.00 | qupada | illogica1: darwin |
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| 13:02.33 | illogica1 | qupada, darwin or DARWIN or APPLE_DARWIN or some variation of that? |
| 13:02.50 | illogica1 | i need it to be exact as I'm trying to ix a compile issue w/ libxine and fink. |
| 13:03.09 | illogica1 | s/ix/i'm |
| 13:04.19 | skynet | hi all there's a kde tool that brings all desktops onto one screen and shows minature versions of those desktops......anyone know what this programs called? |
| 13:04.22 | qupada | illogica1: dunno sorry |
| 13:04.44 | qupada | skynet: well there is kompose that does it like apple's expose |
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| 13:06.39 | usuari | hello |
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| 13:06.54 | illogica1 | qupada thanks anyways. i'll try variations on Darwin :-) |
| 13:08.00 | qupada | you're probably best to ask someone who has a mac. i would ask one of my mates, but it's 1:15am and not too many people i know are awakw |
| 13:08.03 | qupada | awake* |
| 13:08.23 | skynet | thanks qupada! |
| 13:08.33 | usuari | I have a problem with file name codification since I had updated to KDE 3.5.2 from 3.5.1 via Synaptic (using Debian). I had tried to change my locale configuration and It doesn't work. In GNOME it works fine. Any solutions? (Please sorry my bad english :) |
| 13:08.53 | Aronofsky | hi , i got a question about konqueror config , i change the font size but it only changed inside the right panel , not inside the left one , dont know if you understand what i mean ? |
| 13:09.20 | qupada | usuari, Aronofsky: screenshots, if you would |
| 13:09.35 | usuari | Aronofsky: from where, from what dialog, did you change it? |
| 13:10.07 | Aronofsky | usuari, settings -> configure konqueror -> appearance |
| 13:10.10 | usuari | qupada: I can do an screenshot but how to send it? |
| 13:10.25 | usuari | Aronofsky: maybe it will work if you change it form kcontrol |
| 13:10.33 | qupada | usuari: upload it to imageshack.us |
| 13:10.38 | usuari | ok |
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| 13:14.55 | Aronofsky | actually it works , when i change font size from kcontrol it changed fontsize from menu and that kind of things but not in apps as thunderbird or xchat , is there a way to define font size for everywhere ? |
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| 13:15.33 | qupada | Aronofsky: you'll need the gtk-qt theme engine or gnome-control-panel to do that |
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| 13:16.17 | BCMM | what is the eqivalent of ~/.kde/Autostart/ for running on shutdown not startup? |
| 13:16.36 | Aronofsky | qupada, how can i do that on kde ? |
| 13:16.38 | usuari | qupada: http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9744/codificaci2bq.png here is an example... more screenshoots nedded? :) |
| 13:17.37 | qupada | Aronofsky: what distro? |
| 13:17.45 | Aronofsky | qupada, debian |
| 13:18.24 | qupada | apt should have it. qt-engine-gtk or some variation on those 3 words |
| 13:18.45 | Aronofsky | qupada, and then after it is installed |
| 13:19.04 | usuari | so Aronofsky you can use apt-cache search :) |
| 13:19.48 | qupada | Aronofsky: in appearance and themes in kcontrol, there should be a new snap-in (look for round yellow icon) |
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| 13:20.31 | Aronofsky | usuari, qupada , anyway to change it from a config file ? |
| 13:20.45 | mlask | hi there |
| 13:20.48 | usuari | qupada: I don't know if you understand my problem... |
| 13:20.49 | qupada | not that i know of |
| 13:20.57 | usuari | I don't think so... |
| 13:21.17 | usuari | hi mlask |
| 13:21.25 | qupada | usuari: it looks like a font issue |
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| 13:21.59 | qupada | i had the same problem with web browsers viewing pages with non-latin fonts until i installed a bunch of extra fonts |
| 13:22.22 | Aronofsky | qupada, usuari , i got a gtkfontsel package , is it ok ? |
| 13:22.37 | usuari | ok... but in GNOME it works fine... |
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| 13:22.43 | qupada | Aronofsky: give it a go |
| 13:22.50 | mlask | i've just installed kde 3.5 and one thing has me iritated. All the entries in kmenu are very long, eg. there is "Azureus (bittorent client)" instead of just "Azureus". Is it possible to disable those descriptions? |
| 13:23.23 | qupada | mlask: panel config > menus |
| 13:23.30 | mlask | i don't want to edit all etries :( |
| 13:23.31 | qupada | change the "menu item format" bit |
| 13:23.54 | mlask | i'm looking for easy way to disable descripitons in menu |
| 13:24.16 | mlask | ohhh.... nevermind... |
| 13:24.22 | mlask | i've found it |
| 13:24.25 | mlask | thank's ;) |
| 13:24.25 | qupada | found it? |
| 13:25.11 | mlask | i should be found it for myself. sorry for asking silly questions ;) |
| 13:25.24 | mlask | have found it* |
| 13:26.53 | usuari | qupada: When I was updating KDE there was a config file (I belive it was from KDM) that was replaced by a new config file (before my permission)... |
| 13:27.02 | usuari | ... maybe is it the problem? |
| 13:27.27 | Bambino | Pinaraf: You there? |
| 13:28.21 | Aronofsky | usuari, qupada , gtkfontsel doesn't seem ok , so it is gtk2-engines-gtk-qt , right ? |
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| 13:29.14 | qupada | Aronofsky: sounds like the one |
| 13:29.17 | usuari | I think so Aronofsky, but I had found it when I updated KDE to 3.5.2 |
| 13:29.27 | qupada | usuari: if it was a kdm config, i doubt it. try changing the font you use for icons and see what happens |
| 13:29.38 | usuari | ok, I will |
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| 13:30.51 | qupada | especially if you're using helvetica, it isn't the greatest |
| 13:31.54 | usuari | I was usind Sans, but I have changed it and it seems it dosn't work :( |
| 13:32.45 | usuari | *using |
| 13:32.54 | qupada | sometimes you need to log out and in for font changes to actually take effect |
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| 13:34.29 | usuari | Ok, log out, so. Thanks qupada for the help |
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| 13:36.47 | Bambino | Two question I'd like some help with please. First one is, how do i make my home folder and my "computer" display at the Desktop? secondly, I forgot the second one |
| 13:37.12 | qupada | there never was a second question, was there? |
| 13:37.29 | Bambino | "secondly, i forgot the second one" ;) |
| 13:37.46 | Bambino | oh ya |
| 13:37.51 | aronofsky | Re, gtk-engines works for thunderbird but i still got some fonts that are different , for exemple the chat window in xchat doesn't follow my system fonts config ... amsn doesn't neither ! |
| 13:38.00 | Bambino | secondly I want it to always display detailed view in konqueror. How todo that |
| 13:38.11 | qupada | right click > new > link to location with ~ in the location box will make a home dir shortcut |
| 13:38.33 | qupada | i think the "my computer" thing you speak of needs to link to system:/ |
| 13:38.48 | aronofsky | Bambino, settings -> save view profile |
| 13:39.07 | qupada | aronofsky: i can tell you with 100% certainty amsn isn't gtk |
| 13:39.19 | qupada | i don't know about xchat, but i doubt it is either |
| 13:39.53 | aronofsky | qupada, so what you got to define it manually ? |
| 13:40.12 | qupada | don't know if you can |
| 13:40.42 | qupada | try gaim or kopete, both are better than amsn. as far as an irc client goes, i have no idea |
| 13:40.59 | qupada | after all i use irssi |
| 13:41.16 | aronofsky | why do you say that kopete and gaim are better that amsn ? |
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| 13:41.58 | qupada | because i've used amsn, it's a horrible msn messenger clone written in equally horrible tcl/tk |
| 13:42.33 | aronofsky | qupada, actually i find the GUI nicer that gaim or kopete ones |
| 13:42.57 | qupada | whatever floats your boat, i can't stand it |
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| 13:43.33 | visik7 | qupada: there is a plugin to deuglify amsn |
| 13:43.36 | mlask | hi there... again |
| 13:43.48 | qupada | i have irssi, and it works just fine for me. bitlbee (www.bitlbee.org) handles msn and aim |
| 13:43.51 | mlask | i've got one more problem :/ |
| 13:43.56 | qupada | visik7: damn, that must be a big plugin |
| 13:44.09 | qupada | because amsn got a hefty beating with the ugly stick |
| 13:44.35 | visik7 | btw I'm happy with gaim |
| 13:45.17 | qupada | i used to like gaim, but i got sick of the nasty gtk file dialogues, and sick of the constant crashing for absolutely no reason |
| 13:45.22 | mlask | how can i set my gtk2 themes to be used when running gnome programs under kde? I've found "GTK Styles and Fonts" dialog, but it doesn't show themes that are kept in my home directory. so, how can i fix that? |
| 13:45.48 | mlask | gaim? the new version doesn't crash anymore, really ;) |
| 13:46.02 | visik7 | qupada: I've never got a gaim crash and gtk2 isn't ugly if u use the plugin for set gtk like kde apps |
| 13:46.08 | qupada | well 2.0 beta 1 and beta 2 crashed just about on the hour every hour |
| 13:46.11 | visik7 | mlask: 1.5 never got a crash |
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| 13:46.22 | visik7 | beta means beta |
| 13:46.28 | visik7 | doesn't mean finished |
| 13:46.29 | visik7 | ... |
| 13:46.45 | mlask | ok... but how how can i set gtk2 themes in kde? |
| 13:46.55 | visik7 | which distro ? |
| 13:47.02 | mlask | debian sid |
| 13:47.13 | qupada | for the record, gaim 1.5 crashed too, just not as often. it's all gtk's fault anyway |
| 13:47.16 | visik7 | apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 13:47.40 | mlask | yeah, i think i've got that package. it's pretty shitty soluttion |
| 13:47.41 | visik7 | qupada: my gaim 1.5 stay open 24/7 |
| 13:47.51 | visik7 | mlask: works perfectly for me |
| 13:47.58 | mlask | i want to have my native gnome themes when running gtk2 apps under kde |
| 13:48.33 | visik7 | mlask: so set the fu**ing gnome theme and don't bother us with your stupid problem |
| 13:48.57 | mlask | but it doen't see my gnome themes in ~/.dircetory |
| 13:49.08 | mlask | how make it to see them? |
| 13:49.14 | qupada | mlask: so install them system-wide... what's the issue? |
| 13:49.26 | mlask | well... i don't like mess |
| 13:49.59 | mlask | will it help, when i will unistall gtk2-engines-gtk-qt? |
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| 13:50.21 | mlask | i just want kde, not to touch my gnome configs |
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| 13:51.52 | qupada | you know i find it interesting you complain about installing themes being "mess" when you have BOTH kde and gnome installed |
| 13:52.56 | mlask | when running eg. konqueror under gnome, there is the theme i set in kde :) |
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| 13:53.26 | mobtek | mlask: using gtk-qt doesn't effect my gnome settings |
| 13:53.53 | mobtek | kde doesn't touch the gnome settings |
| 13:54.12 | mlask | ok... but where are config files for that? maybe some editin wil help :? |
| 13:54.37 | mobtek | for gtk-qt? |
| 13:54.43 | mlask | no |
| 13:54.48 | mlask | look... |
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| 13:55.55 | |mlask| | oh... shit... |
| 13:56.00 | |mlask| | technical problems ;) |
| 13:56.25 | mobtek | <mlask> ok... but how how can i set gtk2 themes in kde? KControl -> Appearence and Themes -> GTK Styles and Fonts |
| 13:56.26 | |mlask| | ok... i will try to describe my problem more strictly |
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| 13:57.05 | pachuhcay | need some help with openkiosk, can anybody help me? |
| 13:57.07 | pachuhcay | please.. |
| 13:59.43 | |mlask| | in gnome i've set my own, beautiful, colorful, wonderful theme, that i have created for my own and saved in ~/.themes. Everything works fine, but when i log to kde and run some gnome apps, they are using the deufault, ugly, gray theme and icons. So i go to the control center (kde) and i am experimenting with "GTK styles and Fonts" tab. however, i can't find there my therme. |
| 13:59.56 | |mlask| | Looks like it doesn't know about my ~/.themes catalog |
| 14:00.13 | |mlask| | so my question is: How can i tell it about that folder??? |
| 14:00.25 | mobtek | it's getting from some global theme setting for gnome? |
| 14:00.40 | mobtek | find out where that is in the gnome install and then put your theme in there I guess :) |
| 14:00.53 | |mlask| | :/ |
| 14:01.06 | |mlask| | i dont understand :( |
| 14:01.12 | |mlask| | where what is? |
| 14:01.30 | Fieldy | good quesiton. |
| 14:01.30 | mobtek | I dunno, perhaps where gnome is installed on your distro |
| 14:01.39 | mobtek | have a look around :) |
| 14:02.40 | mobtek | ask over in #gnome for that one |
| 14:02.49 | |mlask| | ok... nevermind... looks like i have to package my theme. that will be faster :/ |
| 14:03.01 | mobtek | or find and read the docs for the gtk-qt engine |
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| 14:03.11 | mobtek | etc ) |
| 14:03.12 | qiqo | can anybody help me? |
| 14:03.19 | |mlask| | but youre more supoused to know that than gnome folks |
| 14:03.33 | qiqo | errm i need to setup openkiosk on my clients |
| 14:03.58 | qiqo | i have gotten to the procedure in which i will add the applet on my kicker |
| 14:04.00 | pinotree | qiqo: is it a kde app? |
| 14:04.04 | qiqo | yeah |
| 14:05.04 | mobtek | http://openkiosk.sourceforge.net/docs.htm |
| 14:05.05 | qiqo | already tried those |
| 14:05.10 | mobtek | heh |
| 14:05.14 | qiqo | the instructions are very simple |
| 14:05.36 | qiqo | they really dont give that much info.. |
| 14:05.48 | qiqo | i already gave up googling |
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| 14:06.12 | mobtek | You can contact the developer by sending an e-mail to xynopsis (at) users dot sourceforge dot net. |
| 14:06.36 | qiqo | ok.. |
| 14:06.43 | qiqo | so nothing more aside from that |
| 14:06.44 | qiqo | ? |
| 14:06.52 | Solv | pinotree, can you help me figure out a problem with a rosegarden ebuild on AMD64, qupada form gentoo-amd64 said you might know? |
| 14:07.09 | mobtek | http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=42127 <-- mailing list for openkiosk |
| 14:07.28 | qiqo | uh alright,, ima start diggin the list, thanks! |
| 14:07.35 | mobtek | hehe cool |
| 14:07.40 | pinotree | Solv: i have debian on athlon 32 |
| 14:08.27 | Solv | pinotree, i guess that's a no then! can i paste three lines just in case you know...it is a kdelibs related thing =) |
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| 14:10.09 | igorzolnikov | Hi! Who know Struts? |
| 14:10.36 | qupada | igorzolnikov: struts = person? application? website? |
| 14:10.55 | igorzolnikov | Framework |
| 14:11.16 | igorzolnikov | ... MVC-based |
| 14:11.32 | Solv | pinotree, don't worry...i will try gentoo-amd64 another time to see if they know |
| 14:11.37 | Fieldy | having to do with kde how? |
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| 14:21.40 | LillDude_10 | i have konqeror need to transfer my book marks |
| 14:21.47 | LillDude_10 | how |
| 14:22.26 | mobtek | LillDude_10: edit bookmarks |
| 14:22.36 | mobtek | file: import |
| 14:23.09 | qiqo | sheesh... im really having problem with openkiosk.. what am i gonna do? |
| 14:23.25 | LillDude_10 | how do i export em out of konqeror |
| 14:23.30 | LillDude_10 | there is no export |
| 14:23.42 | LillDude_10 | once i exported then i can import as file |
| 14:23.44 | mobtek | Bookmarks -> Edit Bookmarks ->File -> Import even |
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| 14:23.59 | LillDude_10 | mobtech |
| 14:24.04 | mobtek | LillDude_10: there is export under 3.5.2 |
| 14:24.12 | LillDude_10 | were |
| 14:24.18 | LillDude_10 | i dont see it\ |
| 14:24.30 | Bambino | Hey guys, i upgraded from 3.4 to 3.5 kde. Now my terminal is not working properly |
| 14:24.34 | Bambino | or it is, but i cant configure konsole |
| 14:24.53 | Bambino | "Library files for "kcm_konsole.la" not found in paths. |
| 14:25.12 | LillDude_10 | i dont see that option |
| 14:25.24 | mobtek | LillDude_10: there is no Export menu item under File in Edit Bookmarks? |
| 14:25.27 | mobtek | weird what distro? |
| 14:25.32 | LillDude_10 | kanotix |
| 14:25.43 | mobtek | hmm it's there on Gentoo |
| 14:26.22 | mobtek | hehe ask the kanotix packagers why it's not there :P |
| 14:26.41 | LillDude_10 | i guess il do that |
| 14:26.55 | mobtek | hehe |
| 14:26.56 | LillDude_10 | thanks |
| 14:27.12 | LillDude_10 | that is kanotix room? |
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| 14:28.06 | eren_ | hi |
| 14:28.06 | mobtek | meh sleep time |
| 14:28.08 | eren_ | i installed ati drivers |
| 14:28.13 | eren_ | on Xorg7 |
| 14:28.28 | eren_ | but when i run transparent screen is terrible |
| 14:28.44 | eren_ | "xcompmgr" |
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| 14:31.48 | eren_ | who can help ? |
| 14:32.00 | mattepiu | with what? |
| 14:32.31 | eren_ | xorg transparent |
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| 14:32.59 | mattepiu | which graphic card do you have? |
| 14:33.09 | eren_ | ati |
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| 14:33.13 | eren_ | i installed drivers |
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| 14:33.28 | mattepiu | no joy with ati, sorry. Ask Ati for better drivers |
| 14:33.47 | eren_ | the last driver i have |
| 14:34.34 | mattepiu | actually there isn't any driver from ati working with composite on |
| 14:35.03 | eren_ | :( |
| 14:35.46 | eren_ | mattepiu: ok |
| 14:35.51 | eren_ | thanks |
| 14:35.55 | mattepiu | sorry, is just an ATI choiche |
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| 14:39.39 | Bambino | does anyone know how to make my konsole configuration work? Now when i click on conifgure it tells me that it cant find it |
| 14:39.49 | Bambino | "Library files for "kcm_konsole.la" not found in paths." |
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| 14:43.37 | Cerulean | Hi. I just overwrote a file from outside of kate. When the dialog came up warning me about the conflict, I selected "Save As" and saved the file in another directory. |
| 14:44.11 | Cerulean | However, Kate gave me a message stating it couldn't read as the path didn't exist or somesuch |
| 14:44.27 | Cerulean | it then cleared out all the text in the editor and cleared the undo buffer |
| 14:44.40 | Cerulean | so i've essentially lost a rather large script i've been working on for a long period of time |
| 14:44.51 | Cerulean | does Kate back things up when it does something silly, by any chance? |
| 14:44.58 | Cerulean | any temporary file that might still be available? |
| 14:45.28 | qupada | Cerulean: look for a file with ~ appended to the filename |
| 14:46.31 | Cerulean | qupada: Nada. |
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| 14:47.29 | qupada | ok, well by that i'm going to guess we're talking a "something silly" that happened before you had a chance to save anything? |
| 14:48.13 | Cerulean | qupada: No, like I said - I deleted the file and backups with some careless typing in the terminal |
| 14:48.25 | Cerulean | Kate told me the file had been modified so I selected Save As to re-save it |
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| 14:49.46 | jonathan_ | hello all, I'm wanting to make gaim the default IM application, however in the pull-down menu Kopete is all that is there, can I add gaim some other way? |
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| 14:50.29 | susanka | hi, how can i change the fontsize in the menu of kde programms like kate ? |
| 14:50.31 | Bambino | can u somehow "reipar" kde? To default settings? |
| 14:50.39 | Bambino | like download the package again or something? |
| 14:51.21 | qupada | Bambino: turf ~/.kde and you'll be back to the default config |
| 14:51.34 | Cerulean | susanka: Look in KControl->Apperances |
| 14:51.40 | qupada | Bambino: down to the fact you'll get the first login 'kpersonalizer' wizard when you try to log in again |
| 14:51.59 | Bambino | qupada: I am missing appearently a file. so thats the one i need, would that be downloaded or does it just rest KDE |
| 14:52.01 | susanka | hmm im not using kde is there a config way ? |
| 14:52.24 | susanka | im not shure maybe its a GTK problem? |
| 14:52.25 | Bambino | my konsole works, however i cant change settingsit is missing a file named kcm_konsole.la |
| 14:52.57 | Bambino | qupada: and this happened after the upgrade from 3.4 to 3.5 |
| 14:53.19 | qupada | Bambino: you can't always trust it to get everything right during a major version upgrade |
| 14:53.44 | qupada | move ~/.kde to somewhere else on your hard drive, then just copy back anything you need after re-running the config wizard |
| 14:53.53 | Bambino | qupada: Oki so whats the solution? |
| 14:53.55 | Bambino | oh ok |
| 14:54.35 | susanka | is kde using other graphic libs ? |
| 14:54.55 | Cerulean | susanka: Qt |
| 14:54.58 | susanka | i find no way to fix my 2 meter letters :) |
| 14:55.06 | susanka | ah ok |
| 14:55.38 | jonathan_ | hello all, I'm wanting to make gaim the default IM application, however in the pull-down menu Kopete is all that is there, can I add gaim some other way? |
| 14:55.55 | susanka | Cerulean, if i run KControll ... in kde and i go back to fluxbox, that this work ? |
| 14:56.57 | Cerulean | susanka: Yes, I should think so |
| 14:57.08 | susanka | ok fine i test it |
| 14:57.21 | susanka | thanks |
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| 15:01.14 | qiqo | !seen xynopsis |
| 15:01.56 | qiqo | geez i am almost freekin out about this openkiosk thinggy, it doesnt work |
| 15:02.23 | qiqo | can somebody please help me? |
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| 15:02.38 | qiqo | i couldnt find anysupport from the developer,, nor the mailing list |
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| 15:07.03 | qiqo | :(( |
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| 15:16.26 | foobar | hi there, I use kubuntu and can't find a way to change my default encoding to utf8 |
| 15:17.02 | foobar | what do I have to do? |
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| 15:19.12 | pinotree | foobar: kubuntu's encoding is already utf8 |
| 15:20.04 | foobar | but my special chars are mixed up... e.g. in the console but if I do rightclick -> settings -> encoding -> utf8 it works |
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| 15:30.24 | irir | but i can get options in the menu |
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| 15:30.38 | irir | where is the problem ? |
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| 15:38.38 | qiqo | help.. |
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| 15:43.22 | mocheesmo | everything else working well |
| 15:43.45 | ralsina | Anyone knows who is managing the @kde.org addresses nowadays? I need to change my forwarding :-( |
| 15:43.55 | Sho_ | mocheesmo: most likely a NAT/firewall issue |
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| 15:55.32 | hustl3r | i dropped my firewall, but still can't seem to receive files via dcc...it looks like konversation thinks my ip address is 0.0.0.0 from the info in the status window |
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| 15:55.55 | hustl3r | i can connect to servers, just not dcc |
| 15:56.25 | hustl3r | my ip address is 192.168.1.4, but outside it's another one |
| 15:57.00 | Sho_ | hustl3r: your IP doesn't matter for receiving |
| 15:57.07 | islamguide_com | anyone knows how to disable open office startup splash screen? |
| 15:57.24 | hustl3r | hmm, must be something else then |
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| 15:57.48 | hustl3r | here is what i get... |
| 15:57.53 | hustl3r | if i can post it? |
| 15:58.01 | hustl3r | it's 3 lines of text |
| 15:58.02 | Sho_ | hunt0r: pastebin |
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| 15:58.06 | hustl3r | don't want to flood |
| 15:58.25 | hustl3r | [11:52] [Notice] -DeepMix- hustl3r You are in que now with number 6 in rank. Current Low Cps Limit: 1000 Type @DeepMix-que for Que Status and @DeepMix-remove (with or without filename) for Cancelling Que |
| 15:58.25 | hustl3r | [11:52] [Notice] -DeepMix- DCC Send Chris Carter Echo Babylon (Original Mix).mp3 (24.20.10.41) |
| 15:58.25 | hustl3r | [11:52] [DCC] DeepMix offers the file ""chris" (babylon bytes) for download (0.0.0.0:echo). |
| 15:58.26 | hustl3r | [11:53] [Notice] -DeepMix- File Transfer of Chris Carter Echo Babylon (Original Mix).mp3 Incomplete at 0%! you may retry 3 times after which you'll be temp banned from my server |
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| 15:59.17 | Sho_ | yes, and that's why you should use pastebin |
| 15:59.26 | hustl3r | what is pastebin? |
| 15:59.28 | hustl3r | heh |
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| 16:25.26 | Sho_ | Check the "Logging" page in the prefs for the directory preference |
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| 17:08.35 | Blissex | Ah, interesting problems: all of a sudden (really) after upgrading to 3.5.1 I have two problems: the Kicker does not appear in all virtual desktops, but only the first, and ''sometimes'' (usually after unlocking the screen) I can use the mouse but the keyboard is disabled. Baffling, and vague, and I am just looking for guesses... |
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| 17:48.20 | stjepan | hi |
| 17:48.58 | stjepan | do you know any kde apps which are as good as VLC and which can play so many formats? |
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| 17:49.08 | Sho_ | KMPlayer, Kaffeine |
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| 17:50.12 | stjepan | Sho_: but can kmplayer and kaffeine play so many formats? |
| 17:50.18 | stjepan | can they play audio cds? |
| 17:50.26 | stjepan | dvd videos? |
| 17:50.28 | Sho_ | stjepan: KMPlayer is a frontend to MPlayer. So is VLC. |
| 17:50.33 | stjepan | .avi, .wma? |
| 17:50.42 | stjepan | Sho_: ok tnx |
| 17:50.50 | Sho_ | stjepan: When you have the codecs installed, yes |
| 17:51.05 | Sho_ | stjepan: Many distributions have a "win32codecs" package |
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| 17:55.07 | nuxil | hi all |
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| 17:56.03 | nuxil | i have a problem,, in my kde 3.3.0 i can do smb://IP in konquror but not in my 3.3.5 why? and how do i get support for samba protocole in kde.3.3.5? |
| 17:56.26 | HuntsMan | 3.3.5? |
| 17:56.34 | nuxil | erm 3.5.1 i mean |
| 17:56.54 | nuxil | sry i have a habbuit of mixing the numbers :P |
| 17:57.14 | qiqo | anyone here who can help me with openkiosk? |
| 17:57.57 | nuxil | so :P in my kde 3.3.0 i can do smb://IP in konquror but not in my 3.5.1 why? and how do i get support for samba protocole in konqueror for kde 3.5.1 |
| 17:58.42 | The_ManU | does someone of you use gdesklets? |
| 17:58.42 | nuxil | i probealy need to rebuild something but what |
| 17:58.50 | HuntsMan | nuxil: kdebase probably |
| 17:58.50 | The_ManU | i have a improtant question |
| 17:59.07 | nuxil | ? |
| 17:59.50 | Sho_ | The_ManU: Most probably user SuperKaramba |
| 17:59.53 | Sho_ | *use |
| 18:00.24 | The_ManU | Sho_: hm i use kde and someone said it works fine |
| 18:01.09 | Sho_ | The_ManU: I'm not saying gdesklet wouldn't work (never tried it), only that KDE has its own widget platform and most people in #kde will likely use that |
| 18:01.25 | The_ManU | and where do i get it? |
| 18:02.05 | Sho_ | The_ManU: It's included in KDE 3.5. For older versions of KDE get "SuperKaramba" from your distribution. See the SuperKaramba section on www.kde-look.org for hundreds of widgets (called "themes" in Karamba speak). |
| 18:02.12 | mhall | zOMG my friend's girlfriend is so clueless she thinks gmail's autocomplete means her gmail got hacked just because there are weird addresses in it; i explained it's cause it snips them from the To: field on incoming joke spams and other shit with a lot of emails on it, but she just won't listen |
| 18:03.06 | Sho_ | mhall: Don't really see how that's her fault ... I really hate email clients that automatically add mail addresses to their addressbook (I mean you, Thunderbird!) or autocomplete lists |
| 18:04.00 | mhall | Sho_: seriously, would a hacker sit there emailing her distant friends and relatives? unlikely |
| 18:04.05 | mhall | Sho_: i didn |
| 18:04.17 | mhall | Sho_: i didn't call her clueless until she wouldn't listen to reason |
| 18:04.19 | The_ManU | Sho_: have kde 3.5.1 how to enable it? |
| 18:04.41 | Sho_ | The_ManU: Download some theme/widget you like from kde-look.org and double-click it |
| 18:04.52 | Blissex | Ah, interesting problems: all of a sudden (really) after upgrading to 3.5.1 I have two problems: the Kicker does not appear in all virtual desktops, but only the first, and ''sometimes'' (usually after unlocking the screen) I can use the mouse but the keyboard is disabled. Baffling, and vague, and I am just looking for guesses... I suspect something in ''config'' files as it does not happen for all users... |
| 18:04.57 | Sho_ | The_ManU: Or See Utilities -> Desktop -> SuperKaramba/Desktop Widgets in the menu |
| 18:05.20 | The_ManU | Sho_: where is the utilities menu? |
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| 18:05.52 | Sho_ | mhall: Well maybe the "omg, hacked!" response is unfounded, but I can see how it would be confusing to have addresses pop up in auto-complete without being able to mentally retrace where they came from |
| 18:06.44 | Sho_ | The_ManU: Click the KDE icon in the lower-left of your desktop and select "Utilities" |
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| 18:07.35 | The_ManU | Sho_: i haven't this icon oO |
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| 18:08.08 | Sho_ | The_ManU: Then click "Run command" in the menu and start "superkaramba" via the dialog |
| 18:08.23 | nuxil | hmm i tryed to recompile kdebase with --with-samba but no good |
| 18:08.30 | mhall | man firefox 1.5 sucks |
| 18:08.31 | The_ManU | Sho_: not found |
| 18:08.34 | Sho_ | The_ManU: And if that doesn't work either, use the package manager of your Linux distribution to install superkaramba |
| 18:08.34 | mhall | what a shitpile |
| 18:08.49 | Bambino | Hmm when i type "apt-get upgrade" it says o upgraded, 0 installed, and 1 not upgraded. |
| 18:08.57 | nuxil | i still cant use smb://IP in konquror |
| 18:08.59 | dashinho | Hello, I Have a question. I made some changes to my kde menu, but I removed some apps that I need (stupid me stupid me), anyway to restore the default kde menu? |
| 18:09.01 | Bambino | and its name is kdenetwork. So what mucst I do? |
| 18:09.17 | Sho_ | Bambino: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:10.09 | Bambino | Sho_: I get same result |
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| 18:10.16 | The_ManU | someone knows a support channel for gdesklets, have troubles since installing |
| 18:10.19 | a_thing | nuxil: Do you have a firewall blocking it? |
| 18:10.28 | Bambino | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 18:10.28 | Bambino | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.28 | Bambino | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 18:10.31 | The_ManU | someone told me it would work fine on kde |
| 18:10.38 | Bambino | thats what I get |
| 18:10.41 | nuxil | a_thing, no,, it works fine if i go back to kde 3.3.0 |
| 18:11.05 | nuxil | i got both isntalled 3.3.0 & 3.5.1 |
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| 18:11.20 | nuxil | kde3.5.1 in my homedir |
| 18:11.33 | nuxil | i used konstuct to intsall it |
| 18:11.54 | HuntsMan | nuxil: ah, what distro? |
| 18:12.02 | nuxil | debian sarge |
| 18:12.24 | HuntsMan | install smbclient, and samba devel headers |
| 18:12.34 | dashinho | I made some changes to my kde menu, but I removed some apps that I need (stupid me stupid me), anyway to restore the default kde menu? |
| 18:12.45 | HuntsMan | nuxil: to be exact, install libsmbclient-dev |
| 18:12.46 | a_thing | When I enter nfs://www@192.168.1.111/var/www/ I get Authorization failed, 192.168.1.111 authentication not supported but mount 192.168.1.111:/var/www/ works |
| 18:12.55 | HuntsMan | nuxil: and recompile kdebase |
| 18:12.56 | nuxil | HuntsMan, so why is it working when i go back to kde 3.3.0 ? |
| 18:13.14 | nuxil | it meas its already installed |
| 18:13.15 | nuxil | ? |
| 18:13.49 | HuntsMan | nuxil: because libsmbclient-dev is requierd only then compiling, not for runting |
| 18:13.52 | HuntsMan | bah |
| 18:13.53 | HuntsMan | runtime |
| 18:14.18 | nuxil | ic |
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| 18:14.45 | Urua | Hi, is there some way to send text to a konsole sesion with dcop ? |
| 18:18.41 | stjepan | my poor preview of brushed metal + compiz: http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/9243/brushedcompiz1dl.png What do you think? How do those themes get along? |
| 18:19.06 | stjepan | not very good, huh? :( |
| 18:19.50 | nuxil | well looks ok tho |
| 18:20.02 | HuntsMan | stjepan: is that Konqueror or what? BTW looks good :) |
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| 18:20.28 | nuxil | stjepan what size on the iconz? imo they are just a little to big |
| 18:20.31 | mhall | how does one figure out what one can DCOP to a particular k app |
| 18:20.37 | plb | Anyone know why I get uknown host errors with only kde apps? |
| 18:20.47 | stjepan | HuntsMan: yes, konqueror |
| 18:21.00 | Urua | mhall: I have been running dcop Konsole-<sessionID> |
| 18:21.06 | EvilGuru | what is the best video editing application (kde)? |
| 18:21.07 | nuxil | but hey im looking at a 20" widescreen acer lcd monitor :P |
| 18:21.33 | stjepan | HuntsMan: here's the original image: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/pix/big_OS_Clone10.jpg |
| 18:21.42 | lippel | plb: all the time? or sometimes only? for all sites or specific ones? |
| 18:22.05 | plb | lippel, sometimes only.......and the the links work fine in firefox |
| 18:22.31 | lippel | plb: like, suddenly it's broken for all sites and work again only after restart? |
| 18:22.37 | lippel | restart of kde that is |
| 18:23.11 | plb | no, just certain links.....I will try one link and get an unknown host error then try the same link in firefox and it will work fine |
| 18:23.13 | HuntsMan | stjepan: very nice :D |
| 18:23.18 | plb | or even opera it also works |
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| 18:23.47 | Urua | Away wot use dcop to send text to a knolse session ? or any one have any pointers ? |
| 18:24.19 | plb | I've found quite a few people who have the same problem searching on google, though no solution |
| 18:24.27 | plb | working solution anyway |
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| 18:26.18 | mhall | Urua: but how do you find the names of available messages to send |
| 18:26.38 | mhall | Urua: ah it returns a list, i see |
| 18:26.41 | Urua | by default they are listed -1 -2 -3 |
| 18:27.22 | Urua | ahh sendSession |
| 18:27.23 | mhall | Urua: none of the methods look interesting, just stupid stuff |
| 18:27.31 | mhall | Urua: sendSession lets you do it? hmm |
| 18:27.37 | Urua | testing |
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| 18:27.59 | The_ManU | apt-get install superkaramba for installing it? |
| 18:28.00 | mhall | Urua: where did you find sendSession |
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| 18:28.19 | anchorman | hello channel |
| 18:28.22 | Urua | mhall: dun think it works. but it was in the DCOP docs |
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| 18:28.31 | Urua | session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) |
| 18:28.31 | Urua | dcop $konsole $session renameSession Code |
| 18:28.31 | Urua | dcop $konsole $session sendSession 'cd /my/work/directory' |
| 18:28.57 | Urua | I get 'no such function' |
| 18:29.08 | anchorman | i'm trying to get my wifi interface to work and in kwifmanager everytime i hit scan i get "WARNING: Interface does not support scanning |
| 18:29.11 | anchorman | in the console |
| 18:29.36 | lippel | plb: it's always reproducible for these sites? |
| 18:29.42 | rhican | if i drag icons around they leave a slight trail on the desktop, i tried dissabling "renderaccel" in xorg.conf but that didn't help. I have it on as wel kde 3.4 and 3.5.2. is there another option xorg kde requires? |
| 18:30.38 | plb | lippel, no not always.....sometimes they work sometimes not...it's strange |
| 18:30.59 | lippel | plb: strange indeed... |
| 18:31.12 | mhall | Urua: yeah well i looked at the method list for sessions and sendsession is not listed |
| 18:31.25 | plb | lippel, I guess someone filed a bug against this already though...I saw it on bugs.kde.org from last year I believe |
| 18:31.28 | Urua | nope, not for me either. was hopping it was hidden |
| 18:32.05 | mhall | Urua: can you have hidden DCOP methods? |
| 18:32.11 | mhall | Urua: i don't understand how it works |
| 18:32.12 | Urua | no clue |
| 18:32.15 | Urua | nor I |
| 18:32.23 | mhall | Urua: also this is interesting: dcop konsole-23452 konsole-mainwindow#1 << tons of methods in here |
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| 18:33.26 | mhall | zOMG there's more methods there than there are swearwords in a month of my speech |
| 18:33.30 | mhall | which is saying something |
| 18:33.45 | Urua | lol |
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| 18:35.19 | Bambino | where can I find the Konversation logs? |
| 18:35.46 | mhall | Bambino: find ~/.kde -iname \*log\* -print |
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| 18:36.04 | rhican | i have another problem that might not be kde's fault but i'm running out of places to look: when i log out of kde to kdm it freezes no keyboard or mouse (i do use ati xorg it could be that combination?)? |
| 18:36.08 | Bambino | mhall: Thank you |
| 18:36.43 | mhall | Bambino: did it work? |
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| 18:37.05 | aronofsky | hi |
| 18:37.31 | mhall | rhican: sometimes when i quit KDE using the nv integrated driver instead of the nvidia closed-source binary driver, X won't completely exit |
| 18:37.36 | aronofsky | got a question , is it possible to set up double click navigation in konqueror ? |
| 18:37.39 | The_ManU | Sho_: i have downloadet superkaramba, how to use it? |
| 18:37.49 | mhall | rhican: but i don't use display managers because they are flaky |
| 18:37.49 | The_ManU | there are many things for download |
| 18:37.53 | Bambino | mhall: Yes |
| 18:37.59 | mhall | rhican: so i can't say about the display manager part |
| 18:38.00 | mhall | Bambino: sweet |
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| 18:38.17 | Bambino | mhall: How was it I rested the kde folde? Cause i have a .la file missing. i need it back |
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| 18:38.42 | dashinho | I made some changes to my kde menu, but I removed some apps that I need (stupid me stupid me), anyway to restore the default kde menu? |
| 18:38.44 | rhican | mhall:so if i install nvidia drivers some problems might be resolved, i am using ati proprietory drivers now, but i believe it worked once upon a day |
| 18:38.45 | Bambino | can someone please tell me where the kcm_konsole.la file should be at? |
| 18:39.22 | mhall | Bambino: 11:38 < Bambino> mhall: How was it I rested the kde folde? Cause i have a .la file missing. i need it back |
| 18:39.28 | aronofsky | Bambino, /usr/lib/kde3/ for me |
| 18:39.30 | mhall | Bambino: can you rephrase, that didn't make much sense |
| 18:39.30 | rhican | Bambino : /usr/kde/3.5/lib/kde3/kcm_konsole.la |
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| 18:39.52 | mhall | rhican: that's not what i meant |
| 18:40.24 | Bambino | mhall: I upgraded from kde 3.4 to 3.5. after that. when i try to konfigure Konsole, i get an error that kcm_konsole.la does not exist |
| 18:40.34 | aronofsky | anyone can tell me how to set up double clic navigation in konqueror because i really dont find ? |
| 18:40.51 | Bambino | mhall: Konsole works though, just dont work to configure it |
| 18:41.13 | rhican | Bamino : did you update all your config files? i updated to kde3.5 too recently on gentoo you should really do your etc-update |
| 18:41.23 | pinotree | aronofsky: kcontrol -> perhiperals -> mouse |
| 18:41.37 | mhall | Bambino: on my machine it's part of konsole: usr/lib/kde3/kcm_konsole.la |
| 18:41.47 | mhall | Bambino: so i'd reinstall konsole |
| 18:41.55 | rhican | mhall: i'll just keep using "killall X" then for now ;) i could always upgrade to modular x .. |
| 18:42.00 | mhall | Bambino: also if you're on gentoo, that's going to be weird |
| 18:42.06 | aronofsky | pinotree, thx , i was looking in konqueror settings ... thats kinda tric |
| 18:42.06 | mhall | rhican: yeah but i have 6.9 |
| 18:42.16 | mhall | rhican: and i still have the problem, also had it back in 6.8 |
| 18:42.28 | mhall | rhican: what i'm trying to get at is, i suspect it's something weird with stock X |
| 18:42.38 | mhall | rhican: and maybe installing ATI or NV makes it go away |
| 18:42.43 | pinotree | aronofsky: ah, no.. it's a general config for the whole kde |
| 18:42.48 | mhall | rhican: but since you did not install ATI yet i can't confirm |
| 18:43.12 | aronofsky | pinotree, ok , thx |
| 18:43.13 | rhican | mhall: i did install ati drivers currently using the fgrlx driver |
| 18:44.37 | dashinho | Well guys, sorry, can't wait anymore... Thanks for "help". I have to go. I'll be back later. |
| 18:44.41 | Bambino | mhall: I am on Ubuntu. how do I reinstall kosnole? |
| 18:45.08 | mhall | Bambino: sudo dpkg --purge konsole && apt-get install --reinstall konsole |
| 18:45.30 | mhall | rhican: what happens when you change over to ATI stock |
| 18:45.52 | mhall | rhican: when i read what you said i got the idea you were on stock at first, not proprietary, sorry about confusion |
| 18:46.03 | Bambino | mhall: Dont work, i get an error |
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| 18:46.20 | Bambino | kdebase depens on konsole it says |
| 18:46.31 | Bambino | dependensy problems |
| 18:46.32 | The_ManU | hm can i take changes in the superkaramba "desklets"? |
| 18:46.48 | rhican | i don't know i doub't that they cause the problem |
| 18:46.49 | pinotree | The_ManU: ??? |
| 18:47.05 | mhall | Bambino: ok one second |
| 18:47.10 | The_ManU | pinotree, like options which will be shown or color |
| 18:47.15 | Bambino | mhall: thanks |
| 18:47.24 | mhall | Bambino: sudo dpkg --force-depends --purge konsole && apt-get install --reinstall konsole |
| 18:47.28 | rhican | mhall:i could always check if i still have it with the 2d drivers |
| 18:47.29 | mhall | Bambino: sudo dpkg --force-depends --purge konsole && sudo apt-get install --reinstall konsole |
| 18:47.38 | mhall | rhican: that's what i am requesting |
| 18:47.45 | pinotree | The_ManU: every theme provide a set of options |
| 18:47.49 | mhall | rhican: try it with X stock and see if it's still cocked up |
| 18:48.02 | pinotree | The_ManU: i you aren't satisfied much, you can try editing them |
| 18:48.05 | The_ManU | pinotree: and where to set them? |
| 18:48.05 | mhall | rhican: i have opposite situation; X stock is busted, X + nv is working |
| 18:48.18 | The_ManU | the options |
| 18:48.23 | Urua | So anyone know where I can find some DCOP pointers ? Looking to send text to a Konsole session |
| 18:48.29 | rhican | mhall: but it's strange if i run X without kdm it exits without any problem |
| 18:48.31 | pinotree | The_ManU: right click on a theme, there should be the configure or settings option |
| 18:48.33 | mhall | ?dcop |
| 18:49.04 | The_ManU | pinotree: no its grey :/ |
| 18:49.17 | pinotree | The_ManU: then that theme isn't configurable... |
| 18:49.37 | Bambino | mhall: Ok it worked. Do I need to restar X for it to work? |
| 18:49.39 | mhall | rhican: that's not strange |
| 18:49.51 | mhall | Bambino: i think i'd run kbuildsycoca |
| 18:50.01 | mhall | Bambino: other than that no X restart should be needed |
| 18:50.05 | pinotree | The_ManU: anyway, a sk theme is written in python, so you could try (carefully) to edit it |
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| 18:50.32 | The_ManU | never worked with it^^ |
| 18:50.59 | pinotree | The_ManU: then mail the author of that theme asking for more options ;) |
| 18:51.16 | The_ManU | do you use sk? |
| 18:51.39 | Bambino | mhall: Ok what does kbuildsycoca do= |
| 18:51.44 | mhall | Bambino: manpage |
| 18:51.45 | pinotree | no, as i prefer using my cpu and ram to compile and develop... |
| 18:52.03 | mhall | kbuildsycoca (1) - Rebuilds the system configuration cache |
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| 18:52.08 | pinotree | Bambino: kbuildsycoca rebuilds the cache of the configuration files |
| 18:52.16 | Bambino | pinotree: Ok thanks |
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| 18:52.28 | mhall | sycoca is a creative abbreviation |
| 18:52.37 | pinotree | kbuildsycoca = Kde BUILD SYstem COnfiguration CAche |
| 18:52.50 | Bambino | there is no database available ;) |
| 18:52.59 | Bambino | Thanks pinotree for the explanation |
| 18:53.08 | pinotree | Bambino: kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 18:53.30 | Bambino | pinotree: Gives same error |
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| 18:55.02 | rhican | mhall: i solved my problem .. my XSESSION variable was set incorrectly ... omg |
| 18:55.08 | mhall | Bambino: ERROR or warnning? *big* difference |
| 18:55.13 | mhall | rhican: what was in it |
| 18:55.28 | rhican | mhall:kde-3.5.2 i believe , |
| 18:55.31 | mhall | GarethTheGreat: bad text encoding or missing / b0rk3d fonts? |
| 18:55.33 | GarethTheGreat | sorting that out now |
| 18:55.34 | Bambino | mhall: kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available! |
| 18:55.35 | GarethTheGreat | hang on |
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| 18:55.38 | mhall | rhican: in the variable? |
| 18:55.47 | mhall | Bambino: got to do it inside of X |
| 18:55.47 | rhican | yes |
| 18:56.05 | GarethTheGreat | http://shell.garethnelson.com/~gareth/screenshot.png |
| 18:56.07 | mhall | rhican: how'd that happen |
| 18:56.18 | GarethTheGreat | i get the same thing from the machine locally when starting up KDM |
| 18:56.54 | mhall | GarethTheGreat: you irc in a lot of channels huh |
| 18:56.59 | GarethTheGreat | heh |
| 18:57.00 | GarethTheGreat | yeah |
| 18:57.03 | rhican | mhall: i kinda put it there a while a go after a friend said something about it i believe .. i know i'm stupid should have remembered anyway i'm glad it's fixed |
| 18:57.10 | GarethTheGreat | what can i do about these fonts then? |
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| 18:57.26 | The_ManU | i have installed techmon, but there is no deinstall button |
| 18:57.34 | The_ManU | is it still downloading the tool? |
| 18:57.45 | pinotree | GarethTheGreat: changing the font leads to the same result? |
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| 18:58.02 | P-Luc_Auclair | hey guys I have a big problem |
| 18:58.08 | GarethTheGreat | pinotree: how exactly do i do that? |
| 18:58.15 | rhican | mhall: now if i could get rid of that trail that dragging icons life would be perfect :) |
| 18:58.16 | Bambino | mhall: I am doing it inside X.. ? I am running xterm and doing it there |
| 18:58.17 | P-Luc_Auclair | I have Kicker running but I can't see the taskbar anythere |
| 18:58.17 | GarethTheGreat | currently it's happening in kdm too |
| 18:58.29 | Bambino | mhall: Or do you mean out side? |
| 18:58.30 | pinotree | GarethTheGreat: running kcontrol -> look & themes -> fonts |
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| 18:59.13 | mhall | Bambino: yeah it should work |
| 18:59.25 | mhall | Bambino: are you sudoed or in an su session |
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| 18:59.29 | mhall | Bambino: that would mess it up |
| 18:59.29 | GarethTheGreat | pinotree: bit of a struggle to do that when i can't read anything |
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| 18:59.40 | Bambino | mhall: I wrote "sudo -s" and then did it |
| 18:59.43 | eren_ | hi. |
| 18:59.47 | mhall | Bambino: yeah that's bad |
| 18:59.50 | eren_ | i have ati vga problem :( |
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| 18:59.52 | pinotree | GarethTheGreat: wait |
| 18:59.53 | mhall | Bambino: the database is per-user |
| 18:59.57 | eren_ | oh sory wrong channel |
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| 19:00.02 | mhall | Bambino: and gets regenned when you start KDE |
| 19:00.03 | Bambino | mhall: Ok so Should i leave sudo? |
| 19:00.05 | GarethTheGreat | i think i'm missing a package somewhere |
| 19:00.13 | mhall | Bambino: yeah for kbuildsycoca, do it as user |
| 19:00.32 | pinotree | GarethTheGreat: run kcmshell fonts |
| 19:00.46 | Bambino | romeo@Core:~$ kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 19:00.46 | Bambino | kbuildsycoca running... |
| 19:00.46 | Bambino | kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available! |
| 19:00.50 | GarethTheGreat | now what? |
| 19:00.55 | GarethTheGreat | ah, hang on |
| 19:01.03 | pinotree | --> dinner |
| 19:01.50 | mhall | Bambino: try just plain kbuildsycoca |
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| 19:02.21 | mhall | Bambino: also i got some no database available errors but it still worked |
| 19:02.30 | mhall | Bambino: so i think maybe you can just ignore that error |
| 19:02.43 | mhall | Bambino: i'm on debian, which is close enough to ubuntu for comparison in this case |
| 19:02.53 | mhall | Bambino: argh all that worry over a non-issue =) |
| 19:02.54 | Bambino | mhall: Ok so i should restart X now? |
| 19:03.17 | Bambino | mhall: :) hehe |
| 19:03.18 | The_ManU | hm are there only those themes in superkaramba which are shown to be downloaded? |
| 19:03.31 | GarethTheGreat | ok |
| 19:03.37 | GarethTheGreat | i now have a dialogue with tons of unreadable text |
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| 19:07.22 | Bambino | mhall: didnt work :( |
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| 19:08.25 | mhall | Bambino: but... wtf... that file's part of konsole |
| 19:08.31 | mhall | Bambino: reinstalling it should do the job |
| 19:08.46 | mhall | Bambino: does it still fuck up if you restart X? do you have a hacked up copy of KDE? |
| 19:08.47 | ezu5t | is there a command line tool that does the same thing as "test sound" from kcontrol -> sound & multimedia -> sound system? |
| 19:08.57 | mhall | Bambino: anything on the box that's not stock ubuntu |
| 19:09.16 | Bambino | mhall: Konsole is working fine. its just i cant konfigure it, this happened happend after the update |
| 19:09.17 | ezu5t | for some reason my alsa isn't getting started when I login |
| 19:09.37 | Bambino | mhall: To reinstall i just remove the .kde folder? and download kde again= |
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| 19:11.19 | mhall | Bambino: this is really weird |
| 19:11.29 | mhall | Bambino: now you see why i'm scared of ubuntu |
| 19:11.36 | Bambino | mhall: Haha, You using gentoo? |
| 19:11.53 | mhall | Bambino: god no |
| 19:12.00 | mhall | Bambino: debian sid + experimental |
| 19:12.01 | Bambino | mhall: Huh? ;) |
| 19:12.11 | Bambino | mhall Gentoo is not good? |
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| 19:13.25 | ezu5t | i hear gentoo is great if you like wasting cpu cycles on compilation |
| 19:13.36 | Sho_ | indeed :) |
| 19:13.48 | nuxil | ezu5t true |
| 19:14.01 | Bambino | A friend told me gentoo is so good, try it ;) |
| 19:14.05 | Bambino | and you now say its not |
| 19:14.08 | Bambino | another said Ubuntu is good |
| 19:14.10 | Sho_ | Also if you like flexibility, powerful package management, an up-to-date package selection and a lively user community |
| 19:14.10 | Ardonik | ezu5t: nothing wrong with compilation. Often, I need software for which a distro package doesn't exist yet. |
| 19:14.15 | nuxil | but also if you have the time.. cos it takes forevre :P to setup |
| 19:14.17 | Ardonik | Of course, my own distro is Mandriva. |
| 19:14.19 | Bambino | people say ubuntu scuks. Ok, so whats good?! ;) |
| 19:14.31 | nuxil | Bambino ubuntu dosent sux.. |
| 19:14.40 | nuxil | i dont use it but have used it.. |
| 19:14.41 | Sho_ | Bambino: Whatever *you* like is good ;) |
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| 19:14.49 | Ardonik | Distro wars are offtopic, by the way |
| 19:15.00 | Sho_ | Bambino: Just try them all and see what floats your boat |
| 19:15.01 | mhall | Bambino: might be good to try #ubuntu |
| 19:15.08 | Bambino | mhall: I am there.. ;) |
| 19:15.11 | mhall | Bambino: and of course kubuntu |
| 19:15.13 | Bambino | mhall: I am using Ubuntu |
| 19:15.15 | mhall | Bambino: and of course #kubuntu * |
| 19:15.16 | ezu5t | Ardonik - sure, once in a while you need to compile stuff. but why have it be the normal procedure every time you install something? |
| 19:15.32 | The_ManU | worin besteht der unterschied zeischen den bezeichnungen hda und sda? |
| 19:15.32 | mhall | Bambino: the kubuntu people have a bit more kde knowhow |
| 19:15.38 | ncp_ | is there a lightweight version of kde? or do i only need to install a smaller piece of kde? |
| 19:15.39 | The_ManU | sata und ide? |
| 19:15.45 | mhall | The_ManU: nein nicht genau |
| 19:15.46 | Sho_ | The_ManU: One is IDE, the other is SATA/SCSI |
| 19:15.47 | nuxil | ezu5t cos its source |
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| 19:15.52 | Ardonik | ezu5t: depends on what you need. All I was saying is that there's nothing wrong with it. |
| 19:15.54 | Sho_ | The_ManU: Roughly |
| 19:16.01 | The_ManU | ok thx |
| 19:16.02 | mhall | The_ManU: sda --> scsi (sata sieht wie scsi aus) und hda --> IDE |
| 19:16.28 | The_ManU | scsi? |
| 19:16.28 | Sho_ | ncp_: kdelibs and kdebase are the basic installation |
| 19:16.44 | mhall | The_ManU: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCSI |
| 19:16.49 | Sho_ | ncp_: the other modules are entirely optional |
| 19:16.54 | ezu5t | anyway, the reason I switched from mandrake to debian unstable was so I could use more recent versions of kde |
| 19:17.02 | ezu5t | without compiling everything |
| 19:17.08 | The_ManU | mhall do you have superkaramba? |
| 19:17.08 | mhall | The_ManU: das soll wohl da hingehen aber ich hatte mal das URL geratet |
| 19:17.14 | jron | is there an easy way to get konq to explore .rar formats? |
| 19:17.15 | The_ManU | ok |
| 19:17.35 | Sho_ | mhall: "geraten", btw |
| 19:17.36 | Ardonik | ezu5t: Gentoo would also keep you up to date (that's largely the point, I think); horses for courses. |
| 19:17.50 | mhall | The_ManU: nope, no superkaramba |
| 19:17.56 | mhall | Sho_: was the rest ok? |
| 19:17.57 | The_ManU | mhall gdesklets? |
| 19:18.02 | Frost^ | hello. I'm trying to make a service menu and for that specific one I need to know how to relate to an actual filename (and not a full path) |
| 19:18.08 | Frost^ | can anyone help? |
| 19:18.09 | mhall | The_ManU: no |
| 19:18.10 | Sho_ | mhall: Well, usually we say "die URL", but the vote is still out on that ;-) |
| 19:18.14 | The_ManU | Sho_: do you have superkaramba? |
| 19:18.23 | Sho_ | The_ManU: Yes |
| 19:18.30 | mhall | Sho_: oh i had no idea one way or the other |
| 19:18.31 | Ardonik | Frost^: what do you mean by "service menu"? |
| 19:18.32 | The_ManU | have some questions |
| 19:18.40 | Frost^ | right-click menu |
| 19:18.53 | The_ManU | fist are tehre "only" less themes for download? |
| 19:19.05 | Ardonik | Frost^: And what are you having trouble with? |
| 19:19.06 | The_ManU | and some information is false |
| 19:19.09 | The_ManU | i have sda |
| 19:19.16 | Sho_ | The_ManU: I'm not sure what you mean by "less themes"? |
| 19:19.18 | The_ManU | äh no sda, have hda |
| 19:19.37 | Frost^ | if I use %u, I get a full url to the selected file |
| 19:19.42 | mhall | Sho_: i think maybe it should be der or die, because locator -> Pächter |
| 19:19.42 | Frost^ | I'd like to get the filename alone |
| 19:19.53 | mhall | damn it my text encoding is all broken |
| 19:19.56 | mhall | what the fuck |
| 19:20.05 | ncp_ | have installede debian, but security.debian.org dont work, is that because i have choosed testing (amd64) ? |
| 19:20.09 | Sho_ | mhall: Yeah, some write "der URL", too. "Die URL" is most common, however. |
| 19:20.41 | mhall | Sho_: lol |
| 19:20.46 | mhall | Sho_: poor germans |
| 19:20.55 | mhall | Sho_: just convert it all to das and be done with it =) |
| 19:21.09 | Sho_ | mhall: The French have it better, inventing their own terminology for everything ;-) |
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| 19:21.27 | mhall | Sho_: yeah but then the terms are all crap |
| 19:21.36 | main2 | after starting klaptop_check, nothing happens |
| 19:21.47 | main2 | im not receiving a systray icon either, any ideas? |
| 19:22.08 | main2 | (i do have cpufreq, and acpid) |
| 19:22.15 | mhall | Sho_: and some are missing |
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| 19:23.35 | The_ManU | Sho_: can i talk you query? |
| 19:23.48 | Sho_ | The_ManU: Klar |
| 19:24.09 | ncp_ | have installede debian, but security.debian.org dont work, is that because i have choosed testing (amd64) ? |
| 19:24.20 | mhall | The_ManU Sho_ : hey the party's in #mhall, you should join :P |
| 19:25.15 | main2 | lol, i removed my systray pannel - what is the exact name of it? .. im trying to get it back :) |
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| 19:26.44 | nuxil | man kdebase takes forever to compile |
| 19:26.46 | positivo | \j foz |
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| 19:29.39 | stodge | Hi - how do I stop the balloons at the bottom of the screen from appearing when Konq blocks a pop up? |
| 19:29.46 | Ardonik | Frost^: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html |
| 19:30.09 | positivo | oi |
| 19:30.13 | Ardonik | And especially the spec itself at http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-0.9.4.html#exec-variables |
| 19:30.21 | Ardonik | It's just a .desktop entry. |
| 19:30.59 | main2 | please take a sec time to fill in this petition for good ati drivers .. > http://www.petitiononline.com/atipet/petition.html < thank you |
| 19:31.30 | _positivo_ | blz |
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| 19:31.45 | Frost^ | Ardonik: thanks |
| 19:32.12 | _positivo_ | com faso parair para outro canal |
| 19:34.57 | ezu5t | i'm looking at kcontrol/arts/arts.cpp line 604-615, trying to understand how the arts server gets started. it looks like it's terminating it, adn then calling app->startServiceByDesktopName("knotify"); |
| 19:35.00 | ezu5t | is that what starts arts? |
| 19:35.18 | ezu5t | or is it the terminate? |
| 19:35.25 | ezu5t | why does artsshell not have a "start" option? |
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| 19:36.02 | tech9iner | g'day all |
| 19:37.12 | ezu5t | ah nevermind |
| 19:37.14 | ezu5t | i found it |
| 19:37.16 | Ardonik | ezu5t: You'll have better luck in #kde-devel, I think |
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| 19:39.04 | mhall | feindbild: 30 seconds lag? =) |
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| 19:42.26 | stodge | Hi - how do I stop the notifications at the bottom of the screen from appearing when Konq blocks a pop up? |
| 19:43.31 | _positivo_ | oooooooooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 19:43.52 | mhall | _positivo_: ? |
| 19:43.56 | _positivo_ | nimguem conversa ai |
| 19:45.39 | tech9iner | any clues mates why i have an italics button in kmail looks usable and all.... till i click on it and it goes grey and unavailable and no fonts are responding/italicised ? using html formats ?.. strange indeed |
| 19:46.05 | pinotree | stodge: click on the icon of the blocked popup, the deselect the option from the popup that appears |
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| 19:46.07 | _tom-deesel_ | soa do brasil |
| 19:46.30 | _tom-deesel_ | brazilian |
| 19:47.33 | tech9iner | allo pinotree |
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| 19:48.47 | ita | evening |
| 19:48.53 | feindbild | mhall: almost ^^ |
| 19:49.07 | pinotree | hey ita |
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| 19:49.33 | main2 | damn, got disconnected - i accidently removed my systray - is there a way to get it back? |
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| 19:49.50 | pinotree | main2: add it, it's a panel applet |
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| 19:52.03 | tech9iner | g'day hussam |
| 19:52.05 | main2 | what is its name? |
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| 19:52.28 | hussam | tech9iner, hey :) |
| 19:52.30 | pinotree | system tray |
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| 19:53.49 | tech9iner | congrats hussam ... ur the 1st to actually reply amongst blokes known this day.. lol.. ;].. must've taxed me 'acceptable whine levels' a bit maybe lmao |
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| 19:54.23 | tech9iner | have u played with or watched the xgl everyones excited bout yet hussam ? |
| 19:54.30 | mhall | tech9iner: what happens if you italicize using Ctrl-I instead |
| 19:54.34 | mhall | tech9iner: same problem? |
| 19:54.38 | mhall | tech9iner: did you check the bugtracker |
| 19:54.43 | hussam | tech9iner, not really. |
| 19:54.48 | mhall | tech9iner: and your distro channel |
| 19:54.49 | tech9iner | dunno mhall .. hadnt tried.. lemme check.. |
| 19:55.05 | tech9iner | sorry mhall ? |
| 19:55.06 | ita | what is exciting in xgl ? i have tried rr4, not seen anything special |
| 19:55.34 | mhall | tech9iner: if Ctrl-I doesn't work, try KDE + distro bugtracker + your distro irc channel too |
| 19:55.45 | tech9iner | oh wait.. mybad mhall.. didnt read ur flow rite.. lol |
| 19:57.02 | tech9iner | hahaha.. thats even weirder mhall .. ctrl - i replaces in strange way the hilited txt .. heh |
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| 19:58.15 | tech9iner | tx mhall fir input mate |
| 19:58.22 | tech9iner | fir*for |
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| 20:01.35 | _adrian | ok this is the first time I have opened konversation does this mean everyone on the right is lisening? |
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| 20:02.58 | Blissex | Ah, interesting problems: all of a sudden (really) after upgrading to 3.5.1 I have two problems: the Kicker does not appear in all virtual desktops, but only the first, and ''sometimes'' (usually after unlocking the screen) I can use the mouse but the keyboard is disabled. Baffling, and vague, and I am just looking for guesses... I suspect something in ''config'' files as it does not happen for all users... |
| 20:03.21 | Blissex | _adrian: ''connected to this channel'' more than ''listening'' |
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| 20:04.42 | _adrian | whats in more? |
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| 20:06.30 | Ardonik | _adrian: some of us are away, some of us are here, and some of us don't care about the present topic and aren't participating. |
| 20:06.44 | Ardonik | That's the way big channels always are |
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| 20:08.47 | _adrian | Thank you I will watch and listen sorry for the interuption |
| 20:10.05 | Ardonik | Rest assured you're not interrupting anything |
| 20:10.16 | Sho_ | _adrian: You're not interrupting ;). And hi, btw. |
| 20:12.42 | tech9iner | lol.. |
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| 20:16.25 | mhall | Blissex: what happens when you move away .kde |
| 20:16.28 | _nadim | pinotree: hi, weren't you the one who helped me with the mime database problem two weeks ago? |
| 20:17.40 | _nadim | Does pinotree know about the mime db caching in KDE? |
| 20:17.49 | Blissex | mhall: ahhh, I'll try to have a look. But I think it is still there... Curiously the keyboard is grabbed, but not the mouse. |
| 20:17.54 | Bambino | Is it possible to install themes that has the extension ktheme? I cant seem to find it |
| 20:18.05 | main2 | 'sh: iceauth: command not found' |
| 20:18.11 | main2 | what does this mean? |
| 20:18.12 | pinotree | Bambino: kcontrol -> look & themes -> themes |
| 20:18.19 | Bambino | pinotree: Yes i am there |
| 20:18.35 | Bambino | pinotree: However it cant find the theme file (it has extension .ktheme and not .theme) |
| 20:18.51 | pinotree | select manually |
| 20:19.13 | pinotree | apply the * filter in the type combobox, and select the ktheme |
| 20:19.35 | The_ManU | bye |
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| 20:22.36 | main2 | what access/rights do i need to be able to use proc throtteling with klaptop_check? |
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| 20:23.27 | EvilGuru | can someone explain this error message that I get when I try to build the kde app help search indexes? |
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| 20:23.51 | EvilGuru | htmerge: Document database has no URLs. Check your config file and try running htdig again. |
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| 20:25.13 | PhilRod | EvilGuru: you'd need to set up htdig "correctly" (ie, in the required way). I have no idea what that way is though, sorry |
| 20:25.33 | PhilRod | if you ever find anyone who does know, please ask them to write it up somewhere for the rest of us :-) |
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| 20:25.49 | EvilGuru | guess that it does not work you either |
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| 20:27.50 | _adrian | Has anyone set up altiris; part of the pxe setup requires freeDOS and freDos.frm any idea's cant find this anywhere |
| 20:28.41 | PhilRod | _adrian: what is altiris? |
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| 20:30.31 | _adrian | Its aprogram that dell supports for configuring there new blade or other server systems |
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| 20:33.32 | PhilRod | hrm, I don't know where an appropriate channel to ask about that would be |
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| 20:35.30 | alex_ | I have UBUNTU Installed, i installed kde w/ gnome and i uninstalled some kde stuff and now im getitng this:http://pastebin.com/650066 |
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| 20:37.22 | PhilRod | alex_: does ~/.ICEauthority exist? |
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| 20:38.26 | dsafdino | guys I've got some problem with my bluetooth-konqueror support |
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| 20:38.51 | dsafdino | you know you can write bluetooth:/ in konqueror then it lists every bluetooth peripheral |
| 20:39.18 | dsafdino | by now if I write bluetooth:/ I receive an error message like "URL bad defined" |
| 20:39.36 | PhilRod | bluetooth:// ? |
| 20:39.38 | dsdg | halo, anyone - how can i get it that when i add an application to a panel - when i start that application it must go to the taskbar? i added scribus and when i start it from the panel icon then i dont see it in my taskbar. i have to alt+tab to get to it |
| 20:39.45 | alex_ | PHilrod, mkdir: `/home/alex//.ICEauthority' exists but is not a directory |
| 20:39.51 | dsafdino | if I write obex://[BTaddress] etc I can browse it |
| 20:40.10 | Blissex | A little more detail: I have Fedora 5 with KDE 3.5.1 and ''suddendly'' KDE grabs/lock the keyboard but not the mouse. I have determined now that this does not happen if I start KDE without 'ksmserver'. Which to me seems weird. Where to look for further analysis? |
| 20:40.13 | dsafdino | no PhilRod it's bluetooth:/ |
| 20:40.59 | PhilRod | dsafdino: oh, ok |
| 20:41.29 | PhilRod | alex_: it shouldn't be. But delete it, then try starting a KDE app |
| 20:41.32 | dsafdino | it doesn't work... after the 3.5.2 update |
| 20:41.52 | alex_ | how? |
| 20:41.57 | alex_ | what's the command |
| 20:42.04 | PhilRod | rm ~/.ICEauthority |
| 20:42.09 | PhilRod | or just delete it in konqueror |
| 20:42.45 | PhilRod | s/in/using/ |
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| 20:48.52 | Tm_T | moin |
| 20:49.02 | Tm_T | tech9iner: hey, you! |
| 20:49.05 | PhilRod | Tm_T: &co says hi |
| 20:49.05 | mhall | Tm_T: guten morgen |
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| 20:49.14 | Tm_T | PhilRod: =) |
| 20:49.35 | Tm_T | mhall: it's almost midnight but all goes |
| 20:49.49 | mhall | Ich bin mhall der hackerliche. |
| 20:49.59 | Tm_T | o k |
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| 20:50.32 | mhall | And it's 13 minutes 37 seconds past 13:37. :-D |
| 20:50.39 | mhall | Yay for 1337 past 1337 time. =) |
| 20:50.55 | Ardonik | mhall: that's nothing. |
| 20:51.08 | tech9iner | hahaha.. Tm_T |
| 20:51.21 | mhall | Ardonik: what's nothing |
| 20:51.22 | Ardonik | Sometime last week, it was 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 3 seconds after April 5th, 2006 |
| 20:51.33 | Ardonik | So the date was 010203040506 |
| 20:51.48 | mhall | Ardonik: yeah i was up and awake to celebrate 01:02:03 04/05/06 =) |
| 20:51.50 | Ardonik | Only happens once a century! |
| 20:52.05 | Tm_T | tech9iner: yeah, I'm bit "off" |
| 20:52.10 | tech9iner | out paths of recent days have crossed not sir Tm_T |
| 20:52.15 | mhall | Ardonik: the europeans get it on may 5th eh? |
| 20:52.16 | Tm_T | indeed |
| 20:52.29 | Ardonik | 010203050506? |
| 20:52.30 | tech9iner | well tell us something we dont know me '''off''' chap?.. ;] |
| 20:53.00 | mhall | tech9iner: we don't know why your mom is so fat... ehehehe |
| 20:53.30 | Tm_T | what? |
| 20:53.37 | Tm_T | bah, back to sleep -> |
| 20:53.49 | mhall | Tm_T: schläfrig eh? |
| 20:54.26 | mhall | i have some kind of eye infection that makes it tough to sleep |
| 20:55.47 | mhall | does kde have a calc that handles fractions and time units in calculations |
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| 21:02.23 | Bambino | Hmm isint the themes on kde-look.org suppously work? Cause ive tried now maybe 4 themes that has a .kth file. and none works when i go to the manager and press on the theme.kth and open. It does not display the wallpaper |
| 21:06.33 | dsafdino | there is no chan about kde bluetooth? |
| 21:06.46 | dsafdino | no one know how to solve this bug, even google.... |
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| 21:12.42 | tusov | hi ppl |
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| 21:16.28 | _adrian | kde has kcalc this is very pqwerful and does a lot more than first thought kbrunch I think is a small program for fractions |
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| 21:17.13 | pinotree | _adrian: kcalc and kbruch have different purpouses |
| 21:17.22 | pinotree | kcalc is... a calculator :) |
| 21:17.44 | pinotree | while kbruch is an educational application to help learning the calculation with fractions |
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| 21:20.41 | _adrian | what would you recommend for then for <mhall> does kde have a calc that handles fractions and time units in calculations |
| 21:22.20 | mhall | maybe i'll write one that does it in RPN |
| 21:22.27 | mhall | i could put it together in scheme perhaps |
| 21:23.46 | Ardonik | mhall: there's always units -v for simple conversions |
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| 21:25.01 | Crissi | hi |
| 21:25.12 | _adrian | far to clever for me sorry for jumping in |
| 21:25.13 | Crissi | how i can speed up the output on konsole? |
| 21:25.21 | Crissi | xterm is faster :/ |
| 21:26.13 | pinotree | konsole is cooler :P |
| 21:26.14 | Ardonik | use urxvt if you want a fast terminal with unicode support |
| 21:26.22 | Crissi | pinotree: yes of course! |
| 21:26.51 | Crissi | is there a way to specify which terminal internal is used? |
| 21:26.53 | Ardonik | It's not remotely as polished as konsole, but it gets the job done. |
| 21:27.17 | Ardonik | Change the start menu links, and edit $TERM in your ~/.profile, I suppose |
| 21:27.37 | Crissi | i'll look |
| 21:28.06 | Ardonik | like this: export TERM=urxvt |
| 21:28.24 | Ardonik | For any app that fires up a terminal by checking $TERM. (I'm not sure if many do.) |
| 21:29.13 | Crissi | you're understand me wrong... i want to use konsole with a fast terminal inside :-D |
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| 21:29.56 | Crissi | maybe its slowdown konsole that history buffer is set to unlimited? |
| 21:30.20 | PampersBomba | hello, i have a problem with kmail and gpg .. gpg is installed and configured, but wenn i try to select gpg -> http://bomba.homeunix.org .. whats wrong? |
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| 21:31.05 | PampersBomba | sry wrong link -> http://bomba.homeunix.org/gpg.png |
| 21:33.01 | mhall | Ardonik: there's aren't simple conversions |
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| 21:35.25 | vcef | hi is there a way to have mplayer window on every workspace on default? (KDE 3.4) |
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| 21:36.20 | dcompiler | has the kde desktop icons moving around randomly been fixed in kde 3.5 ? |
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| 21:37.15 | bauerbob | hi |
| 21:37.52 | bauerbob | how can i start kwifimanager without the main window? ....so that it's only visible in systray? |
| 21:38.04 | bauerbob | i haven't found an option for that |
| 21:38.26 | dcompiler | add to .xinitrc? |
| 21:38.54 | bauerbob | and i can't even manage to create a workaround with dcop, because i can't figure out how dcop can close the window |
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| 21:51.42 | mhall | bauerbob: there's gotta be *some* kind of dcop call |
| 21:51.54 | mhall | bauerbob: run dcop kwifimanager and hunt through all the subclasses |
| 21:51.56 | dennycrumsux | what is the program for remote desktop in kde? |
| 21:52.31 | tusov | krdc |
| 21:52.48 | dennycrumsux | thx |
| 21:53.16 | tusov | with pleasure ;) |
| 21:53.16 | dennycrumsux | hmm does that include client and server? |
| 21:53.24 | tusov | yeap |
| 21:53.31 | dennycrumsux | allrigth i'll check it out |
| 21:53.38 | tusov | krfb |
| 21:53.48 | bauerbob | mhall: already did so |
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| 21:56.14 | bauerbob | mhall: i grepped for close, quit, exit and terminate. i could only find quit, which is shutting down the whole application. but i want to close the main window only |
| 21:58.58 | tusov | know somebody witch is the reason if i observe some squares (red and green) in menus (they marks the letter for shortcuts) in X |
| 22:00.00 | tusov | which |
| 22:00.16 | tusov | sorry it;s not my native (default) language |
| 22:00.18 | tusov | :P |
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| 22:05.42 | tusov | * them |
| 22:06.16 | tusov | that |
| 22:06.18 | tusov | :P |
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| 22:10.06 | kronoz | how can I increase the size of icons in the system tray? |
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| 22:12.20 | tusov | right click on k -- panel menu -- configure panel -- arrangement -- size tiny/small/normal/large/custom |
| 22:12.42 | tusov | kronoz |
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| 22:13.50 | tusov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.11 | mlask | hi |
| 22:14.26 | pinotree | tusov: screenshot? |
| 22:14.37 | mlask | how can i make make kde to run one command every time when started? |
| 22:15.08 | HuntsMan | mlask: put a script on ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 22:15.17 | mlask | ohh... just that? |
| 22:15.29 | HuntsMan | yep |
| 22:15.29 | mlask | ok, thanks |
| 22:15.36 | HuntsMan | or a simbolic link will work also |
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| 22:16.35 | pinotree | ~autostart |
| 22:16.37 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2558687 |
| 22:16.39 | pinotree | mlask: ^^ |
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| 22:18.20 | mlask | what is the difference between kompmgr and xcompmgr? |
| 22:18.48 | mlask | xcompmgr works a little buggy with kde. will kompmgr help? |
| 22:18.53 | tusov | edit rc.conf -- kdm_enable="YES" , edit ttys -- ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodeamon" xterm on secure, ~xinitrc -- exec startkde ;) |
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| 22:20.57 | tusov | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.35 | pinotree | mlask: ^^ |
| 22:21.38 | pinotree | oops |
| 22:21.51 | pinotree | tusov: if you could provide a screenshot, it would be better |
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| 22:22.28 | tusov | just a sec |
| 22:22.47 | Bambino | http://www.romeon.net/error.png here is my error. I uninstalled KDE, removed the folder. reinstalled it. same thing. then, removed the folder. installed kubuntu desktop. same error!! why?! this happens when i try toconfigure the konsole |
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| 22:29.12 | eggenz7 | i just got my multimedia keyboard working..have the play stop ect buttons working in xmms...the volume buttons will not work in xmms...when i puch a volume button and OSD shows up...syaing its doing whatver button i pushed but it doesnt control the sound...what program is doing that? |
| 22:29.56 | pinotree | Bambino: that seems to be an issue with kubuntu packages, so i suggest you file a bug in the kubuntu bugzilla |
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| 22:30.40 | Ardonik | eggenz7: have you tried another mixer, like kmix? |
| 22:30.54 | Ardonik | (The bluish sound icon is kmix) |
| 22:30.54 | eggenz7 | thats what i use |
| 22:31.00 | Ardonik | And it's cranked up? |
| 22:31.05 | eggenz7 | but i dont see anything in there to mess with a OSD |
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| 22:31.09 | eggenz7 | the volume works |
| 22:31.14 | tusov | pinotree: here is the screenshot -- ftp://86.125.79.98/incoming/greenredsquares.jpg |
| 22:31.19 | eggenz7 | im tyring to gtet the keys on the keyboard to control it |
| 22:31.23 | mlask | wow! that kompmgr really rocks :) |
| 22:31.38 | arcanistherogue | hey, is there a way to get all those neato xgl effects in kde? |
| 22:31.45 | arcanistherogue | I only see them used in GNOME... |
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| 22:32.16 | pinotree | tusov: wow, amazing... |
| 22:33.06 | Bambino | pinotree: but this happend before i downloaded kubuntu desktop. it happend when i had kde onubuntu |
| 22:33.08 | pinotree | tusov: if you change the gui style from kcontrol (eg select plastik), does the strange effect remain? |
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| 22:34.03 | thiago_home | eggenz7: kmilo |
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| 22:35.04 | tusov | switch to keramic and now i have pretty "(!)" replacing red and green squares |
| 22:35.12 | tusov | :)) |
| 22:35.21 | pinotree | O_O |
| 22:35.58 | tusov | i try to reinstall kde |
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| 22:36.26 | tusov | but same effect |
| 22:36.27 | mlask | ehhh.... hi again ;) |
| 22:36.34 | mlask | i have a big problem... |
| 22:36.45 | mlask | well... i know... i should know this... |
| 22:36.48 | tusov | think it;s something deeper |
| 22:36.57 | mlask | but it is late night.... i'm sleppy... |
| 22:37.09 | mlask | and i beg you... help me! |
| 22:37.25 | tusov | mlask i listen u |
| 22:38.06 | mlask | i know.... it is a stupid question... but how should i write that script in ~/.kde/Autorun? I have put there a file mybinary.sh |
| 22:38.29 | mlask | and in that file i have put "sh blahblah" |
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| 22:38.39 | mlask | and i have made it executbale |
| 22:38.47 | mlask | so why it didn't start? |
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| 22:39.04 | tusov | exec mybinary in autorun? |
| 22:39.23 | qupada | mlask: i have shellscripts in my kde autostart dir, works fine |
| 22:39.33 | mlask | it was kompmgr ;) |
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| 22:39.53 | mlask | i have put "sh kompmgr" |
| 22:39.56 | mlask | that's all |
| 22:41.05 | qupada | my scripts are of the form #!/bin/bash \n exec [app] |
| 22:41.48 | mlask | hmm... but "#!" hasn't any meaning afaik :/ |
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| 22:42.07 | mlask | but maybe it will work... i'll check ;) |
| 22:42.26 | qupada | it tells the script which interpreter it's meant to be using |
| 22:42.39 | qupada | likewise a perl script starts with #!/usr/bin/perl |
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| 22:49.18 | Gokee2_Laptop | hello all, I want to make kde start and login when the computer boots up. how can I do that? |
| 22:49.44 | qupada | Gokee2_Laptop: in kcontrol, system administration, login manager |
| 22:49.56 | qupada | one of the tabs has an "auto login" setting |
| 22:50.28 | tusov | Gokee2_Laptop: edit rc.conf -- kdm_enable="YES" , edit ttys -- ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodeamon" xterm on secure, ~xinitrc -- exec startkde ;) |
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| 22:53.01 | Gokee2_Laptop | qupada, tusov ok thanks |
| 22:53.32 | tusov | Xorg -configure, reboot, if u got some problems, alt f2 - irssi -- /connect irc.freenode.org -- /join #kde |
| 22:53.34 | tusov | ;) |
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| 22:58.08 | Gokee2_Laptop | Did not work.. but I think I know why, I need kdm for this? |
| 23:00.37 | qupada | Gokee2_Laptop: yes |
| 23:01.09 | Bambino | Hmm how come when i save the view in konqueror for how it should display my files, and i go back its reset it self?Its not saved =( |
| 23:01.21 | Bambino | i always want detailed view, and then i click settings > save view |
| 23:01.22 | Bambino | and then ok |
| 23:01.46 | sparr | it appears that konqueror ignores the pixel aspect ratio data in GIF images. is this by design? |
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| 23:28.14 | d4w50n | hey |
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| 23:28.38 | d4w50n | jumping the guns a bit but does anyone know when KDE is due out? like roughly? |
| 23:28.42 | d4w50n | KDE 4** |
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| 23:29.20 | dcompiler | Around the same time Vista is due |
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| 23:29.39 | chavo | when it's done |
| 23:30.07 | Ardonik | As they say in #wesnoth-dev: IIRWIIR |
| 23:30.17 | Ardonik | Is Is Ready When It Is Ready (TM) |
| 23:30.22 | Gokee2_Laptop | tusov, where is "rc.conf"? |
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