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| 00:30.16 | Nomad411 | I'm finally seeing the goodness of the app integration |
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| 00:33.57 | kev1 | Hi ! Does konqueror starting from v3.4.2 support FTP with TLS/SSL auth and data transfert ? |
| 00:39.50 | mobtek | Nomad411: hehe it's nice hey |
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| 00:44.54 | mneh | Does anyone know why whenever I try to run ksmoothdock in any window manager besides KDE I get a black square? |
| 00:46.09 | Aji-Dahaka | bah, I should seriously figure this out: I want konqueror to close when I tell it to "close tab" on the last tab |
| 00:46.14 | Aji-Dahaka | any way to get that going? |
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| 01:04.51 | _lx_ | hello |
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| 01:09.06 | _lx_ | who here uses konversation? |
| 01:09.13 | Renze | me |
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| 01:09.37 | _lx_ | cool.... i am not sure exactly what this thing is. |
| 01:09.44 | Renze | it's an IRC client |
| 01:09.47 | _lx_ | I found it on my suse install... |
| 01:09.54 | _lx_ | okay |
| 01:09.58 | Renze | Internet Relay Chat, before you ask |
| 01:10.03 | _lx_ | irc is like aim chat then? |
| 01:10.17 | Renze | sort of, but it's been around a lot longer |
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| 01:10.28 | _lx_ | okay. |
| 01:10.32 | Renze | IRC has been around since 1990 or so |
| 01:11.23 | _lx_ | yes, now that i no what this is, i looked it up on Wikipedia. i have a slightly better picture from just the first sentence. |
| 01:12.03 | _lx_ | i have been using linux for a year or so now, so don't think i'm stupid please. ;) |
| 01:12.54 | _lx_ | --trying irc commands from wikipedia--- |
| 01:13.35 | _lx_ | wha? |
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| 01:13.48 | Renze | just kidding :) |
| 01:14.01 | _lx_ | i figured that. did you use the "/me" syntax? |
| 01:14.05 | Renze | yes |
| 01:14.57 | Renze | that's the normal reaction |
| 01:15.28 | _lx_ | lol. so there are what... 221 people on here?! |
| 01:15.37 | Renze | yup, not all of them awake |
| 01:15.44 | Renze | just this channel, that is |
| 01:15.51 | Renze | there are a lot more in other channels |
| 01:16.13 | _lx_ | other channels? what is this one, freenode or kde |
| 01:16.20 | _lx_ | which is the channeL? |
| 01:16.25 | Renze | freenode is the network, kde is the channel |
| 01:16.35 | _lx_ | (excuse my stupidy in this thing) okay, what others are there? |
| 01:16.56 | _lx_ | you do "/join #"? |
| 01:17.12 | Renze | press F5 to open the channel list window |
| 01:17.34 | Renze | you do /join #channelname |
| 01:17.45 | Renze | if no channel exists, one will be created with you in it |
| 01:17.51 | _lx_ | eek! there are a lot! |
| 01:17.56 | Renze | yes... yes there are |
| 01:17.58 | _lx_ | okay. |
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| 01:18.45 | _lx_ | cool. so i can have my own channel? |
| 01:18.49 | Renze | yes |
| 01:19.28 | _lx_ | #_lx_ |
| 01:19.31 | _lx_ | mine! |
| 01:19.38 | Renze | you're welcome to it |
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| 01:20.45 | _lx_ | will u come to my channel Reneze? |
| 01:26.24 | _lx_ | join #/gentoo-stinks |
| 01:27.31 | _lx_ | umm... my mistake |
| 01:27.37 | _lx_ | i wanted to see if it existed |
| 01:27.39 | _lx_ | wrong format |
| 01:27.52 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.01 | _lx_ | i no now, but thanks |
| 01:28.07 | _lx_ | i had mistyped |
| 01:28.13 | canllaith | yup |
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| 01:39.22 | sam^ | re |
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| 01:41.25 | stoned | TACO BUENO! |
| 01:42.02 | _lx_ | hola |
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| 01:48.46 | zaze4 | zaze4=_lx_ |
| 01:48.52 | zaze4 | i changed :) |
| 01:49.24 | Renze | good for you :) |
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| 01:51.47 | zaze4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.58 | Renze | incorrect format |
| 01:52.26 | zaze4 | i used http://chattitudes.org/services.html |
| 01:53.15 | Renze | no thanks, zaze4. I'm in the middle of a conversation in another channel |
| 01:53.19 | zaze4 | okay |
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| 02:01.25 | sheldonc | kde.org down or is my net busted? |
| 02:01.41 | zaze4 | cant view it here |
| 02:03.07 | mobtek | same |
| 02:03.27 | sheldonc | been the same for a while |
| 02:03.43 | sheldonc | some subdomains work |
| 02:04.06 | sheldonc | www. doesnt though |
| 02:04.17 | zaze4 | nyud.net wont even work |
| 02:05.25 | zaze4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:23.07 | Roey | hi |
| 02:23.12 | zaze4 | hello |
| 02:23.18 | Roey | can anyone confirm for me |
| 02:23.21 | Roey | open konqueror |
| 02:23.37 | Roey | go to a web site like...say.. cnn.com or wherever. |
| 02:23.41 | Roey | then IMMEDIATELY |
| 02:23.46 | Roey | hit ctrl-shift-n |
| 02:23.58 | Roey | and start typing a URL which Konqueror has memorized |
| 02:24.01 | zaze4 | huh? |
| 02:24.07 | zaze4 | i am not sure sorry |
| 02:24.09 | Renze | that's a known bug, methinks |
| 02:24.13 | Roey | (and have the URL bar set to 'short automatic' completion |
| 02:24.26 | Roey | ) |
| 02:24.32 | Renze | Roey: check bugs.kde.org, I think that one is known. |
| 02:24.50 | Roey | as the first web site loads, at some point, the URL bar you're typing in will get completely filled in (or messed up in some other way) |
| 02:24.55 | Roey | Renze: oh, you've seen this? |
| 02:25.01 | Roey | it's been an *annoying* bug for agesnow. |
| 02:25.06 | Renze | similar behaviour, yes |
| 02:25.12 | Roey | ok |
| 02:25.15 | Roey | thanks for the info |
| 02:26.12 | Renze | I get around it by slowing down :) |
| 02:26.58 | Roey | right :) |
| 02:27.04 | Roey | well I'm trying to find the bug report for it |
| 02:27.16 | Roey | I used the terms 'konqueror short automatic' but it didn't come up with anything relevant. |
| 02:27.33 | Roey | what else can describe this bug? |
| 02:28.03 | Renze | something about tabs? |
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| 02:28.09 | Roey | renze, ah, ok |
| 02:28.16 | Renze | I think it's more related to the tabs than the completion |
| 02:31.52 | Roey | ok |
| 02:32.04 | Renze | any luck finding it? |
| 02:32.50 | Aji-Dahaka | huh, so interesting seeing someone just discoviering irc |
| 02:33.09 | Renze | I remember just discovering it back in 1991 |
| 02:33.37 | zaze4 | '91? what was your connection speed? |
| 02:33.55 | Renze | 2400 baud |
| 02:34.15 | Aji-Dahaka | fast enough for IRC ;) |
| 02:34.17 | Renze | hang on... no, I had 14.4k at that point |
| 02:34.41 | Aji-Dahaka | so speedy, 14.4 |
| 02:34.47 | zaze4 | but u had 2400 baud at one point? |
| 02:34.48 | Renze | more than enough for IRC |
| 02:34.57 | Renze | I had 1200 baud originally |
| 02:35.17 | zaze4 | Oo |
| 02:35.21 | Renze | but got myself a 14.4k for the Internet |
| 02:35.22 | zaze4 | i started at 28 |
| 02:35.34 | zaze4 | usenet i presume? |
| 02:35.36 | Renze | that being the fastest available at the time |
| 02:35.44 | Renze | I had usenet before the internet |
| 02:35.55 | zaze4 | wow |
| 02:35.59 | zaze4 | a veteran |
| 02:36.06 | Renze | well, before the internet reached NZ at any rate :) |
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| 02:36.22 | Renze | used UUCP to download the bundles |
| 02:36.53 | anti43 | hallo |
| 02:37.28 | zaze4 | hello |
| 02:37.39 | anti43 | im a little it sick |
| 02:38.12 | anti43 | my girlfriend kicked me off... she has another guy |
| 02:38.16 | Aji-Dahaka | we try not to hold that against you as long as you don't bring it in here :p |
| 02:38.20 | anti43 | thats not nice |
| 02:38.39 | Aji-Dahaka | that's not too nice |
| 02:38.49 | Aji-Dahaka | I recommend dylan. |
| 02:39.03 | anti43 | i think i hate to be belyed |
| 02:39.23 | anti43 | i take radio paradise |
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| 02:39.47 | anti43 | this is the kde-channel, roight? |
| 02:39.54 | Renze | yes |
| 02:40.02 | mobtek | sssshs Renze :P |
| 02:40.05 | anti43 | when will i get kde 4? |
| 02:40.16 | Aji-Dahaka | just as well get it now |
| 02:40.17 | Renze | anti43: when you finish writing it :P |
| 02:40.21 | Aji-Dahaka | it's in subversion |
| 02:40.23 | anti43 | ha-ha |
| 02:40.38 | anti43 | do you know the *super* project? |
| 02:41.18 | anti43 | suse enhanced performance release |
| 02:42.28 | anti43 | and.. can you tell me a channel toi chat about my girlfriend problem... im from germany and its about 5 am, hard to find some chatroom.... :-) |
| 02:43.43 | anti43 | and, on he other hand, tell me about your problem with kde 4, ill fix it :-) |
| 02:44.13 | anti43 | no one answering.... thats life |
| 02:45.20 | sheldonc | #women! |
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| 02:46.00 | sheldonc | i dont think such a channel exists on freenode |
| 02:46.14 | anti43 | hmm |
| 02:46.35 | sheldonc | but you need to find yourself a nice italian girl or something :D move south! |
| 02:46.55 | anti43 | but... im in germany, there must be some people be awake around the globe |
| 02:47.05 | sheldonc | where in germany? |
| 02:47.27 | anti43 | perl, at the frontier to france and luxemburg |
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| 02:48.15 | anti43 | he, my first girfriend was from italy |
| 02:48.38 | sheldonc | holy crap, Perl is an awesome name |
| 02:48.50 | anti43 | as nice as cgi |
| 02:48.54 | anti43 | :-') |
| 02:48.56 | sheldonc | hahaha yeah |
| 02:49.00 | zaze4 | xml is the best |
| 02:49.06 | anti43 | no php |
| 02:49.14 | anti43 | the best i can# |
| 02:49.28 | anti43 | beside c++ and java :-D |
| 02:49.40 | anti43 | and barcadi black |
| 02:49.44 | zaze4 | besides vb :p |
| 02:50.00 | anti43 | vb sucks |
| 02:50.04 | zaze4 | i no |
| 02:50.07 | zaze4 | twas a joke |
| 02:50.14 | anti43 | basic rules |
| 02:50.17 | anti43 | haha |
| 02:50.28 | anti43 | basic has no rules |
| 02:50.28 | zaze4 | basic is ok reallt |
| 02:50.59 | anti43 | snake is ok |
| 02:51.18 | anti43 | but thats the only thing |
| 02:52.03 | anti43 | and hitchhikers guide through galaxis.... |
| 02:52.14 | anti43 | that saves my live |
| 02:52.34 | zaze4 | 42- the answer |
| 02:52.42 | anti43 | 43 |
| 02:52.55 | anti43 | thy symbiont between 23 and 42 |
| 02:53.05 | anti43 | do you know 23?= |
| 02:56.07 | anti43 | ? |
| 02:57.01 | anti43 | live is fucking ugly |
| 02:57.53 | anti43 | and... im fucking alone |
| 02:58.06 | zaze4 | no longer |
| 02:58.19 | zaze4 | wanna join my room? |
| 02:58.26 | anti43 | which? |
| 02:58.42 | zaze4 | #linux-talk |
| 02:59.04 | anti43 | how`? im using konversation and im not experienced |
| 02:59.20 | zaze4 | okay. i was there an hour okay when i found it. ;) |
| 02:59.36 | sheldonc | double click |
| 02:59.43 | zaze4 | put: /join #linux-talk |
| 02:59.49 | zaze4 | minus the "put:" |
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| 03:07.16 | CLucas916 | can someone explain to me what dekorator is |
| 03:07.33 | zaze4 | no |
| 03:07.54 | sheldonc | wait |
| 03:08.27 | zaze4 | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=dekorator&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 have fun |
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| 03:08.57 | zaze4 | hi |
| 03:09.22 | CLucas916 | but what does it have to do with kde |
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| 03:14.13 | try_it_over | hi all, i want to install the latest kopete on my system, i downloaded the source code with svn, and compiled it just fine... then i did : make install DESTDIR=/home/me/kopete |
| 03:15.07 | try_it_over | i can start kopete if i tell it where are the libs... /home/me/kopete/usr/lib, but i dont know how to make it find the plugins :-( |
| 03:18.22 | zaze4 | i have no clue |
| 03:18.31 | zaze4 | try /join #kopete |
| 03:19.06 | try_it_over | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:19.21 | zaze4 | so no problems> |
| 03:19.43 | try_it_over | lol lol i got my webcam working on kopete!!!!!!! |
| 03:20.10 | SJr|nx | Hmmmmm question I'm trying to copy a file into the same directory, and KDE is giving me an error now, instead of prompting for a new file name. |
| 03:20.12 | SJr|nx | How can I fix this? |
| 03:21.32 | zaze4 | gtg |
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| 04:45.28 | mhall | canllaith: 'lo |
| 04:45.51 | mhall | canllaith: well we finally had the release party for my first FLOSS article :) |
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| 06:09.53 | sm4ks | when will kde use qt4? |
| 06:10.24 | Renze | KDE4 already uses qt4... it's just not ready for prime time |
| 06:10.24 | mhall | sm4ks: i don't know but i'd have to guess it will happen about the time it starts using Qt 4. |
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| 06:18.17 | sm4ks | would be nice to use kde4 qt4 and gcc4 ;D |
| 06:18.34 | Renze | patience |
| 06:19.32 | sm4ks | XD |
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| 06:46.57 | nikolaus | hello. i'm running kde 3.5.2 on mandriva 2006. i just upgraded from kde 3.4 using the Seer of Souls repositories. Prior to upgrading, I had no problems with removable usb devices. After upgrading, I get the "Safely Remove" dialog for my usb thumb drive but not for my external usb hard drive. For the usb hd, I have to open konsole and use the umount command to unmount the drive. Any ideas? |
| 06:47.59 | Renze | send me an external USB harddrive, and I'll see :) :) |
| 06:48.52 | nikolaus | haha :) no seriously, though... |
| 06:49.01 | Renze | I was serious too :) |
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| 06:55.48 | Megaf|Sleep | O nikolaus me mandou um CTCP CLIENTINFO acreditando que conseguiria arrancar algo de mim, pois bem, o nikolaus estava enganado. |
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| 07:17.42 | mhall | canllaith: can you shitcan nikolaus please |
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| 07:20.02 | bill-barriere | is there something i can use that would show me all availlable dcop and kparts on a system ? |
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| 07:20.42 | canllaith | if he comes back I'll certainly tell him that's not on |
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| 07:39.04 | PhilRod | is *.kde.org timing out for anyone else, or just me? |
| 07:39.39 | markey | just you |
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| 07:40.30 | markey | there was some dns trouble earlier though. afaik it only affected amarok.kde.org |
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| 07:41.35 | PhilRod | odd. Maybe it'll fix itself later |
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| 08:03.01 | canllaith | Gday PhilRod |
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| 08:10.16 | HNT | Hello everybody, I have a problem with kioexec, when i plug in an usb-key, i already got this error : kioexec : /media/usb is a folder but a file was needed, so wat's the solution ? |
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| 08:19.37 | zorglu1 | q. is there a kde project aiming to capture video from the desktop ? i mean stuff to produce 'screencast' ? xvidcap or others |
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| 08:21.38 | tech9iner | g'day all.. |
| 08:22.04 | tech9iner | which is currently most usable, stable, and leading the desktop search tool apps please me kdeMates?.. ;].. kat?.. beagle?.. better ive missed thusfar perhaps?.. thsnks |
| 08:22.08 | tech9iner | thanks even |
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| 08:36.31 | nondysjunction | hello |
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| 08:37.20 | nondysjunction | Does anyone know where a gentoo resource explaining the unmasking process ofr installing kde 3.5 may be? |
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| 08:58.28 | elvstone | hm. xpdf is registered as a requirement for KDE in FreeBSD ports, anyone know which binaries in the xpdf package that KDE needs? |
| 08:58.54 | Renze | kpdf uses xpdf's renderer |
| 08:58.54 | elvstone | i would like to have poppler installed instead, which i guess should be possible as long as it's not the actual 'xpdf' binary that KDE wants.. |
| 08:59.35 | elvstone | hm. okay. but xpdf does not install any libraries.. so it must use it through piping to the utilities? |
| 09:00.08 | elvstone | pdftops et.c.? |
| 09:00.24 | Renze | not sure. gentoo has a patch to use poppler instead, but it is frowned upon by the kpdf authors. |
| 09:00.40 | elvstone | oh. hm. i don't want to be frowned upon ;) |
| 09:00.44 | elvstone | but grr. |
| 09:01.14 | elvstone | i need poppler installed for another program i'm running.. and the poppler FreeBSD port conflicts with the xpdf one since their binaries are named the same. hm. |
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| 09:02.00 | elvstone | i'll take a look at the gentoo ebuild.. |
| 09:02.00 | pinotree | elvstone: kpdf doesn't need xpdf... it has xpdf embedded |
| 09:02.36 | elvstone | pinotree: hm. okay. i wonder why xpdf is registered as a dependency of KDE in FreeBSD ports then.. maybe something else is using it.. |
| 09:02.47 | pinotree | probably |
| 09:03.02 | canllaith | Heya pinotree :) |
| 09:03.06 | pinotree | :) |
| 09:03.12 | elvstone | or is it so that kpdf will use xpdf if it's installed, and the bundled version if it's not? |
| 09:03.36 | canllaith | How are you? |
| 09:03.42 | elvstone | if so i could see the FreeBSD port maintainer registering it as a dependency.. to make it use the version installed from ports.. |
| 09:03.43 | pinotree | quite fine, thanks |
| 09:04.05 | tech9iner | olleH pinotree .. |
| 09:04.18 | canllaith | Nice quiet evening |
| 09:04.32 | vinboy | how do I set kaffeine to "always on top"? |
| 09:05.00 | tech9iner | anyone here suffered and resolved amaroks penchant for locking up keyboard and desktop bits when it has any problems opening the next streaming audio sources please? |
| 09:07.50 | hussam | tech9iner: sometimes it hangs a bit when it disconnects |
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| 09:08.45 | tech9iner | hussam .. a bit lmao.. upto a minute toooo many times per day here chumm ;[... ;]] |
| 09:09.24 | tech9iner | freezes my productivity till it recovers hussam .. traps my kybrd too.. alt-tab switching dies.. ugh.. ;] |
| 09:10.00 | tech9iner | it as if amarok had some tweakable memory or nice configs one could protect against sys freezes hussam |
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| 09:10.10 | tech9iner | it*'s as if.. |
| 09:10.37 | hussam | tech9iner: all other internet programs behave the same and show the same porblem |
| 09:10.43 | tech9iner | as much as i dig amarok .. gets old it interrupting my work/dtop all damned day long tho |
| 09:11.15 | tech9iner | hhmmmm.. not my exper here hussam xmms never stole my kybrd / dtop in 3+ yrs of its use here ? |
| 09:11.21 | Renze | tech9iner: I've never experienced anything like that with amarok while streaming |
| 09:11.55 | zorglu1 | vinboy: the option on the window top bar. advanced -> always on top |
| 09:12.02 | tech9iner | hence my seeking answers Renze ;].. im not alone.. ive got handful of recent suse10 mates with exact same exper's |
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| 09:12.29 | tech9iner | wich engine with it please Renze ? |
| 09:12.36 | Renze | tech9iner: might be a distro specific problem then, unless you can find other distro users with the same problem |
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| 09:12.42 | Renze | I use the xine engine |
| 09:12.54 | tech9iner | oh would be no surprise there Renze .. lol.. |
| 09:13.28 | tech9iner | over last 6 mos suse's broken firefox 1.5.0.1.. and issues with suse's version of OOo 2 too |
| 09:13.59 | tech9iner | still loyal to suse main box here .. but they do have their humanity intact for sure lmao |
| 09:14.22 | RockMan | ciao |
| 09:16.46 | vinboy | thanks zorglu1 |
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| 09:30.25 | madgik85 | hello i was wondering if anyone knows of a good bandwidth monitoring tool suck as gnomes netspeedapplet? |
| 09:31.21 | Renze | kbandwidth? |
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| 09:31.53 | Kolja | sers |
| 09:31.58 | madgik85 | Renze: does kbandwidth give a display of the current download and upload speeds? |
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| 09:32.56 | _Kolja | spricht hier jemand deutsch? |
| 09:34.03 | PhilRod | _Kolja: #kde.de |
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| 09:35.42 | n3llyb0y | hello people. I'm having some trouble getting past Initializing System Services on kde-3.5 today. Can anyone offer some troubleshooting tips? |
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| 09:36.23 | canllaith | Does ~/.xsession-errors tell you anything useful ? |
| 09:36.40 | tech9iner | http://rafb.net/paste/results/6oOgcJ66.html <--- is the conflict im fighting over installation of amarok-gstreamer |
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| 09:36.52 | tech9iner | on suse10 to be clear ;] |
| 09:37.21 | n3llyb0y | no canllaith. I've just created a fresh user too just to make sure - same pro |
| 09:37.23 | n3llyb0y | b |
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| 09:38.15 | n3llyb0y | oh |
| 09:38.17 | PhilRod | n3llyb0y: does it just say "initializing system ..." forever, or does KDE exit? |
| 09:38.39 | n3llyb0y | the splash screen exists and the background just stays there - nothing happens |
| 09:39.05 | pinotree | heya PhilRod :-) |
| 09:39.13 | n3llyb0y | I've just spotted something in xsession-errors |
| 09:39.49 | PhilRod | hiya pinotree :-) |
| 09:40.54 | n3llyb0y | kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '<app>.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype <mime type> <------(angle brackets are mine - contents are variable) |
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| 09:41.39 | Renze | madgik85: yes it does |
| 09:41.57 | PhilRod | n3llyb0y: hrm, kbuildsycoca warnings are usually harmless, although there could be a problem with the sycoca |
| 09:42.13 | PhilRod | n3llyb0y: how are you starting kde? *dm, or startx? |
| 09:42.38 | n3llyb0y | kdm via rc.conf on gentoo |
| 09:43.00 | PhilRod | does kdm load without problems? |
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| 09:43.08 | n3llyb0y | would appear to |
| 09:43.15 | doc_ | hi there |
| 09:43.18 | n3llyb0y | oh |
| 09:43.22 | n3llyb0y | well I'll be |
| 09:43.23 | PhilRod | hi doc_ |
| 09:43.33 | n3llyb0y | I've just swapped terminals and my desktop is there |
| 09:43.39 | n3llyb0y | !! |
| 09:44.01 | PhilRod | heh, weird |
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| 09:48.15 | trelamenos | hallo everyone |
| 09:48.30 | trelamenos | ok so i can't connect on internet through my suse 10 |
| 09:48.31 | trelamenos | when i tring to dial-up it says |
| 09:48.38 | trelamenos | 'modem not responding' |
| 09:48.47 | PhilRod | trelamenos: you should ask in #suse, probably |
| 09:51.02 | trelamenos | but i am using kde |
| 09:51.12 | _niels | trelamenos: if it is an ISDN Modem you should give it a try usind the hilafax(?) driver |
| 09:51.13 | trelamenos | and kkkp also |
| 09:51.19 | trelamenos | no |
| 09:51.21 | trelamenos | it's pstn |
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| 09:51.37 | _niels | trelamenos: as Phil said, KDE has got nothing to do with your modem dramas |
| 09:51.54 | _niels | trelamenos: it is a SUSE problem |
| 09:51.59 | trelamenos | allright |
| 09:52.05 | trelamenos | i get it |
| 09:52.18 | trelamenos | nice help |
| 09:52.20 | trelamenos | thanks |
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| 09:52.21 | rohanpm | trelamenos: try using a desktop-agnostic program like wvdial and pppd first, and if they work but kppp fails, then you know the problem is with kppp |
| 09:52.58 | trelamenos | ok but if the problem is with kppp then what |
| 09:53.05 | trelamenos | try another prog |
| 09:53.07 | trelamenos | ? |
| 09:53.35 | trelamenos | anyway |
| 09:53.36 | trelamenos | buy |
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| 10:13.48 | PhilRod | ~servicemenus |
| 10:13.52 | apt | rumour has it, servicemenus is http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html |
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| 10:16.51 | grandrew | hi all! How can I enable the 'google search' toolbar at the navigation bar? I've just built kde from sources and the thing never appeared :-\ i've got a build from the same sourcefiles with a toolbar too |
| 10:17.03 | PhilRod | it's in kdeaddons, IIRC |
| 10:17.26 | Renze | Settings -> Configure Extensions |
| 10:17.35 | grandrew | ow maybe right. i didnt build kdeaddons |
| 10:18.12 | grandrew | okay there are no extentions. ill emerge kdeaddons thanks |
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| 10:25.57 | n3llyb0y | wow. kde-3.5 is taking 13 minutes to initialize and load :-( |
| 10:26.56 | Renze | how did you manage that? |
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| 10:27.17 | n3llyb0y | crud. I must have updated a zilion apps since last reboot. plus removed kde3.4 :'-( |
| 10:27.24 | PhilRod | network setup problems, or not installing the whole of kdebase |
| 10:27.28 | PhilRod | ~slowstartup |
| 10:27.30 | apt | methinks slowstartup is http://dot.kde.org/1065244432/1065325080/ |
| 10:27.36 | PhilRod | and see the FAQ (topic) |
| 10:28.00 | n3llyb0y | cheers apt - that link is stale though |
| 10:28.27 | PhilRod | try the faq then |
| 10:28.37 | n3llyb0y | PhilRod - which FAQ are you referring to mate? |
| 10:28.47 | Renze | see the topic |
| 10:28.49 | PhilRod | n3llyb0y: the one in the topic |
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| 10:29.03 | n3llyb0y | doh - of course |
| 10:29.43 | n3llyb0y | cheers peeps. will let you know what I find |
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| 10:42.54 | n3llyb0y | hmm. I don't suppose the absence of a loopback interface is helping much. just spotted it hasn't initialised . . . good job it is a bank holiday! |
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| 10:48.33 | Zaze4 | hello |
| 10:48.39 | Zaze4 | %7yt |
| 10:48.46 | PhilRod | hello Zaze4 |
| 10:48.54 | Zaze4 | hello. |
| 10:52.17 | PhilRod | that was an exciting conversation |
| 10:53.02 | pinotree | yup |
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| 10:55.19 | Egyptian[Home] | hi |
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| 10:56.29 | Egyptian[Home] | anybody else in here have the same problem? .. in kmail new message .. pressing ctrl-v give me the attach file dialog (even that is whacky!) kmail 1.9.1 |
| 10:57.29 | pinotree | here it pastes... |
| 10:57.36 | pinky_ | How do I configure it so the two side buttons on my 5-button mouse go back and forward in Konqueror directories? |
| 10:58.02 | pinky_ | Actually I'd like it to work like that with Firefox, too... |
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| 10:58.50 | Halitherses | Why id kdeworldclock under toys in the k menu? Should be under utilities. |
| 10:59.12 | apokryphos | pinky_: not sure about firefox, but for konqueror -> use khotkeys |
| 11:00.28 | pinky_ | Hmm, "khotkeys" doesn't appear to be an installable package. Where do I access this? |
| 11:00.49 | apokryphos | pinky_: kcontrol -> input actions |
| 11:02.56 | pinky_ | apokryphos: Okay I found the "Input Actions" section in the Control Center, but it seems to only be for keyboards? |
| 11:03.42 | apokryphos | pinky_: not at all, read the "Info" on the right-hand side |
| 11:04.29 | apokryphos | "This module allows configuring input actions, like mouse gestures, keyboard shortcuts for performing commands, launching applications or DCOP calls, and similar" |
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| 11:06.01 | pinky_ | Why do I not see that? Hmm, does it matter I have 3.5.0? |
| 11:06.59 | apokryphos | nope |
| 11:07.03 | apokryphos | anyhow, look at the examples |
| 11:07.11 | apokryphos | some of them use mouse gestures |
| 11:07.29 | pinky_ | Oh, right I see that, but I don't want to configure mouse gestures |
| 11:07.41 | pinky_ | Just click button4 or button5 |
| 11:08.08 | apokryphos | I think it can handle those buttons, yes. If X detects them. |
| 11:08.08 | pinky_ | The side buttons on the mouse... not click hold down and make a gesture (that functionality is really cool though) |
| 11:08.23 | pinky_ | X detects them, but it's doing weird things with them right now. |
| 11:08.24 | apokryphos | button4 and button5 are scroll buttons, not left/right ones |
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| 11:09.18 | pinky_ | Oh... well the two side buttons then. Right now for example, hitting the right side button has the same function as the right mouse button (bringing up a context menu) |
| 11:09.30 | pinky_ | Is there some master setting to make it *not* do that? |
| 11:09.50 | benJIman | pinky_: set the buttons todo alt-L and alt-R and it will work in everything, konqueror, firefox , kaffeine etc etc |
| 11:09.51 | apokryphos | there's an entry on bugs.kde.org on this -- might be worth checking there to see the status of their functionality in KDE |
| 11:10.33 | benJIman | pinky_: see the imwheelrc here http://uwlug.org.uk/doku.php?id=tutorials:desktop:mslgtchinputdevices#mx700_mouse |
| 11:10.43 | pinky_ | benJIman: Oh, that sounds exactly what I'm looking for. I should do this in the Control Center? |
| 11:10.52 | benJIman | you need imwheel |
| 11:11.33 | pinky_ | Okay I can just follow the instructions on this page. Thanks! |
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| 11:11.50 | knoppix | probando |
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| 11:15.11 | _jake | hello |
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| 11:19.54 | n3storm | hi everyone |
| 11:20.01 | Zaze4 | hello n3storm |
| 11:20.05 | n3storm | I have installed Tango icons |
| 11:20.17 | Zaze4 | yes, i really like them. |
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| 11:20.30 | n3storm | do you all see SVG icons badly? |
| 11:20.48 | Zaze4 | not really.... what do you mean badly? |
| 11:20.56 | n3storm | mmm |
| 11:21.11 | n3storm | they don't look the same as the png 22x22 icons, for example |
| 11:21.20 | n3storm | Kubuntu 5.10 here |
| 11:21.48 | n3storm | svg look rough, the gradientes are not properly renderized |
| 11:22.02 | Zaze4 | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32288 works good on suse |
| 11:22.05 | n3storm | gradients |
| 11:22.12 | Zaze4 | but grads.. |
| 11:22.13 | Zaze4 | idk |
| 11:22.30 | Zaze4 | i use just plain grey, sorry |
| 11:22.47 | n3storm | icon gradients, not widget gradients |
| 11:22.50 | n3storm | mmm |
| 11:23.00 | n3storm | maybe is because I didn't patch kde? |
| 11:23.07 | n3storm | is it dangerous? |
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| 11:25.11 | Zaze4 | sorry |
| 11:25.33 | Zaze4 | i would try updating... do you have 3.5? |
| 11:25.39 | n3storm | 3.5.2 |
| 11:25.54 | Zaze4 | okay, not that. |
| 11:26.00 | Zaze4 | obviously |
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| 11:26.40 | Zaze4 | okay, i put on a graident and it works okay. |
| 11:26.40 | n3storm | Zaze4: did you packed Tango for Kde at kde-look? |
| 11:26.49 | Zaze4 | no |
| 11:26.52 | n3storm | ams |
| 11:26.55 | Zaze4 | that is just the one i used. |
| 11:27.24 | n3storm | ok |
| 11:27.48 | n3storm | Zaze4: did you patch kde? |
| 11:27.54 | Zaze4 | nope. |
| 11:28.18 | n3storm | mmm |
| 11:28.25 | n3storm | and did you have to restart session? |
| 11:28.54 | Zaze4 | no, though i would consider giving it a shot at this point |
| 11:29.04 | Zaze4 | but i didn't have to. |
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| 11:30.46 | n3storm | I did and it didn't solve the problem |
| 11:30.58 | n3storm | Zaze4: how may I use pastebin? |
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| 11:31.26 | n3storm | ooops |
| 11:31.39 | n3storm | paste bin is not for uploading files |
| 11:33.38 | Zaze4 | sorry, i am a tad sick, so i hae to keep leaving |
| 11:34.13 | n3storm | Zaze4: by |
| 11:34.15 | n3storm | bye |
| 11:34.16 | Zaze4 | i have never used pastebin |
| 11:34.18 | Zaze4 | bye |
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| 11:34.58 | Zaze4 | ill get my kubuntu machine running with kde 3.5 (3.4 now) and tango and see if i get the same problem |
| 11:37.30 | n3storm | Zaze4: I thought you whre living |
| 11:37.32 | n3storm | hehe |
| 11:37.34 | n3storm | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=707915#post707915 |
| 11:37.58 | Zaze4 | no, i am just having to leave my desk every couple of minutes |
| 11:38.06 | Zaze4 | sorry to confuse |
| 11:38.41 | n3storm | The problem seems to be something about using librsvg instead ksvgtopng |
| 11:38.58 | Zaze4 | ah. did you post, or did you find that? |
| 11:39.14 | n3storm | I found it |
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| 11:39.47 | Zaze4 | well. thats good. no wonder i couldn't manipulate it |
| 11:40.22 | n3storm | I'm gonna install this: librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common |
| 11:40.37 | n3storm | and then redo my tango-packages |
| 11:41.56 | Zaze4 | great. ksvgtopng really doesn't work that great. It cannot read all Inkscape output correctly, and I know librsvg can fine. |
| 11:42.06 | n3storm | yes but... |
| 11:42.18 | n3storm | I found a file at tango-icon-theme directory |
| 11:42.26 | Zaze4 | and... |
| 11:42.50 | pinotree | ~dcoptut |
| 11:42.53 | apt | it has been said that dcoptut is http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/36/KDE_Scripting_DCOP.pdf |
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| 11:44.12 | adu | omg |
| 11:44.20 | adu | i just saw the plasma website |
| 11:44.25 | adu | and i so want it |
| 11:44.35 | Renze | you have to wait for kde4 |
| 11:44.37 | n3storm | adu: hehehe |
| 11:44.47 | adu | i want to be a part of it |
| 11:44.51 | adu | can i help? |
| 11:44.57 | pinotree | adu: #plasma |
| 11:45.02 | adu | pino: thanks |
| 11:45.16 | n3storm | I'll have a look too |
| 11:45.45 | adu | actually |
| 11:46.07 | adu | to be honest, i'm a Gnome man myself, but plasma just changed my mind |
| 11:47.49 | n3storm | hehehe: this is not a crime |
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| 11:52.13 | mobtek | adu: hehge I use to be a gnome man myself hehe |
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| 11:54.57 | haakonn | use to or used to? :) |
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| 11:56.40 | mobtek | I now concentrate on typos |
| 11:56.55 | BabaLi | Hi, i am currently using kde 3.5.2, and i don't have in konqueror : konqueror->settings->configure konqueror->plugins then i am not able to have netscape flash or gnash running :( |
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| 11:57.25 | oneforall | hi why does konq file manager on drag drop freeze up with that circle and the \ threw it . then it goes again and I can click copy |
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| 12:00.29 | chavo | BabaLi, how did you install kde? |
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| 12:00.35 | tech9iner | any fellow suse10 yanks bout that have had more success than i please on finding truly larger cursors for suse10/kde3.5.2 please?.. dug round kde and googled but no luck here.. lotsa choices n diff sets yes.. but large cursor sizes no |
| 12:01.04 | BabaLi | chavo, emerge kdebase-startkde |
| 12:01.16 | Nomad411 | tech9iner: Have you looked at http://kde-look.org ? |
| 12:01.17 | chavo | BabaLi, oh gentoo huh? |
| 12:01.22 | chavo | yuck |
| 12:01.32 | BabaLi | chavo, :) |
| 12:01.42 | chavo | try to find a konqueror-nsplugins port |
| 12:01.59 | tech9iner | yes Nomad411 .. nojoy there.. some called large.. but goto trouble of installing to find they're same as rest |
| 12:02.12 | tech9iner | tx for feedback for sure Nomad411 |
| 12:02.14 | Nomad411 | oh.. sorry. |
| 12:02.17 | Nomad411 | good luck |
| 12:02.28 | tech9iner | no worries chum n tx |
| 12:02.38 | BabaLi | chavo, i have installed it |
| 12:03.06 | BabaLi | chavo, what means ns in konqueror-nsplugins ? |
| 12:03.19 | oneforall | darn drag drop is annoying today |
| 12:03.24 | chavo | BabaLi, it stands for netscape |
| 12:03.40 | BabaLi | chavo, ok :) |
| 12:03.46 | chavo | which became mozilla which became firefox :) |
| 12:04.24 | oneforall | mozills is still mozilla :) |
| 12:04.35 | oneforall | mozilla* |
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| 12:07.26 | Nomad411 | woah!! I just had a weird hiccup in Kontact/kmail. I was running a filter on my inbox and it hung there for way too long. So I killed the kontact process and now my emails are all doubled |
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| 12:09.15 | Nomad411 | only in the inbox |
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| 12:11.46 | BabaLi | chavo, thx it simply worked :) |
| 12:12.08 | chavo | BabaLi, cool |
| 12:13.31 | BabaLi | I have moved from gnome to kde, and i really like kde :) |
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| 12:22.39 | apokryphos | BabaLi: welcome =) |
| 12:23.43 | BabaLi | apokryphos, thx :) |
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| 12:36.06 | elvstone | hey. docs.kde.org mirrored somewhere? i'm having trouble reaching it.. |
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| 12:39.03 | apokryphos | elvstone: I don't think it is |
| 12:39.08 | apokryphos | seems to be running fine here though |
| 12:39.20 | PhilRod | *.kde.org is having trouble here |
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| 12:39.42 | PhilRod | oh, ktown is down - that's the server docs.kde.org is hosted on, so no d.k.o till that's fixed, I guess |
| 12:40.02 | elvstone | PhilRod: okidok. |
| 12:40.53 | hussam | so many bugfixes for kde 3.5.3 http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_2to3_5_3.php |
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| 12:41.16 | elvstone | i was just going to lookup how to use kompmgr, i'd like to see if it works fine on my freebsd machine with nvidia drivers.. it should just be adding the composite extension for Xorg and then configure it in kcontrol? |
| 12:41.39 | apokryphos | and dot.kde.org still randomly points to arklinux :D |
| 12:41.42 | chavo | elvstone, yes |
| 12:41.53 | elvstone | chavo: okay. |
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| 12:42.18 | easytiger | hmm. startup time improved |
| 12:42.18 | apokryphos | elvstone: it won't add the composite extension, but it should control things like transset and xcompmgr yeah |
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| 12:43.00 | elvstone | apokryphos: yea. i meant i have to configure Xorg to use the composite extension first, right? |
| 12:43.08 | apokryphos | yes |
| 12:43.14 | elvstone | okay. |
| 12:43.34 | apokryphos | it still doesn't work for me though under xgl+compiz |
| 12:43.44 | apokryphos | so not entirely sure of how it's handled |
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| 12:46.27 | elvstone | hm. okay. i'm not using xgl+compiz (on FreeBSD).. but i'm reading now in the README for the nvidia drivers that i can't use the composite extension together with xv (XVIDEO).. that's no good. |
| 12:46.45 | elvstone | maybe i'm better off without composite/transparency. |
| 12:47.08 | apokryphos | if you wanted transparency/composite I'd say go with xgl anyway |
| 12:47.28 | elvstone | no xgl on FreeBSD yet it think. |
| 12:47.40 | elvstone | at least no compiz in ports.. |
| 12:49.26 | apokryphos | dang |
| 12:49.39 | elvstone | yea :/ |
| 12:50.03 | elvstone | oh well. it's not like it's critical for me to have bloody transparent windows ;) |
| 12:50.27 | adu | i so want KDE4 |
| 12:50.33 | elvstone | i just wanted to see if out-faded inactive windows would somehow be helpful. |
| 12:50.52 | adu | sounds like KDE4 is gonna be great! |
| 12:51.05 | pinotree | adu: are you a developer? |
| 12:51.22 | apokryphos | elvstone: yeah, it's nice 8) |
| 12:51.32 | elvstone | apokryphos: dang. |
| 12:51.33 | elvstone | ;) |
| 12:51.35 | apokryphos | adu: it will be, sure =) |
| 12:51.59 | apokryphos | elvstone: wobbly windows is great too, I have to admit :P. Well all xgl+compiz icandy is 8) |
| 12:52.30 | elvstone | heh i've seen those wobbly windows on my little brothers ubuntu machine.. just think it's extremely annoying ;) |
| 12:53.06 | apokryphos | some love it some hate it, it's true |
| 12:53.11 | apokryphos | it is impressive though ;-) |
| 12:53.13 | apokryphos | brb |
| 12:53.35 | adu | pinotree: i have developed |
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| 12:53.41 | chavo | elvstone, transparent windows get old fast |
| 12:53.45 | adu | pinotree: i wouldn't call myself a developer tho |
| 12:53.48 | chavo | but I do like the shadows |
| 12:54.00 | adu | pinotree: can i help in any way? |
| 12:54.18 | pinotree | of course, mostly if you are a developer |
| 12:54.23 | adu | ok |
| 12:54.29 | elvstone | chavo: i'm not interested if it's old or new, but if it helps in any way.. i can see that shadows might help. hm. |
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| 12:54.34 | adu | i know C/C++ and Perl and Python and Shell |
| 12:54.34 | pinotree | i would point you a guide, but it seems the kde.org site has some issues... |
| 12:54.44 | adu | its ok |
| 12:55.04 | PhilRod | the Qt docs are a good place to start if you already know C++ |
| 12:55.09 | PhilRod | doc.trolltech.com |
| 12:55.11 | Kgentux | I am waiting for the Nvidia dri drivers withe pixmap - texture extension |
| 12:55.37 | adu | ok, well i've seen some things from running into them accidentally, like QApplication |
| 12:55.53 | adu | and KCommand |
| 12:56.23 | adu | pinotree: is there a mailing list? |
| 12:56.33 | pinotree | not really |
| 12:56.45 | adu | hmm ok |
| 12:57.00 | adu | i see lots of KDE4 Brainstorms at kde-look.org |
| 12:57.10 | adu | i like that |
| 12:57.31 | adu | it means its gonna be free, for the user by the user, etc... |
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| 12:58.24 | PhilRod | well, if people follow up on their brainstorms.... |
| 12:59.00 | PhilRod | adu: if you'd like to get involved with KDE 4, it's currently in the porting-to-Qt4 stage, so a little familiarity with Qt is useful |
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| 12:59.27 | Mnabil | hello guys , amarok site is still not fixed |
| 12:59.37 | PhilRod | doc.trolltech.com has a nice tutorial that introduces the basic concepts, and there's a "porting-to-Qt4" todo list somewhere |
| 12:59.48 | PhilRod | Mnabil: it seems that *.kde.org is having problems today |
| 12:59.49 | adu | pinotree: i'm mainly interested in IPC and distributed computing, VR, and maybe metadata and knowledge-base inferencing technologies |
| 12:59.51 | adu | PhilRod: ok |
| 13:00.25 | Mnabil | PhilRod: umm :( |
| 13:00.59 | adu | so if there is any way i can maybe include any relevant methods, i would love to do so |
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| 13:02.53 | adu | so is the "porting-to-qt4" part of the current kde dev? |
| 13:03.10 | adu | and where does plasma fit into KDE4? |
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| 13:03.24 | mark_alec | adu: plasma.kde.org |
| 13:06.01 | PhilRod | adu: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=kdelibs4+TODO+Progess+Chart |
| 13:06.11 | PhilRod | adu: plasma will basically replace kdesktop and kicker |
| 13:11.23 | PhilRod | adu: for metadata-type stuff, you could look into tenor, although AFAIK development on that is kind of stalled |
| 13:11.29 | pinotree | and superkaramba |
| 13:11.58 | adu | i've used cvs alot |
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| 13:12.12 | adu | maybe i could help with the "Entry Level" stuff |
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| 13:13.23 | adu | PhilRod: thanks |
| 13:14.28 | adu | ah Tenor sounds like Spotlight |
| 13:15.08 | PhilRod | adu: yeah, I expect that some of those entry level tasks should be appropriate |
| 13:15.22 | PhilRod | if you have any questions about getting started, ask on kde-devel@kde.org |
| 13:15.37 | adu | PhilRod: i'll dl the cvs sometime today... |
| 13:15.48 | adu | ok |
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| 13:16.32 | scifi | neone use KPovmodeler here ? |
| 13:16.33 | PhilRod | KDE's using subversion (aka svn) nowadays. Are you familiar with that? |
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| 13:16.45 | PhilRod | that was for adu :-) |
| 13:16.55 | adu | nope, but i've seen "svn co" so it can't be that different |
| 13:16.57 | cocobo | how can I start kde in an already running Xserver? |
| 13:17.06 | PhilRod | adu: anyway, it's practically the same as cvs, so you'll have no trouble |
| 13:17.12 | adu | PhilRod: ok |
| 13:17.13 | PhilRod | cocobo: run "startkde" in an xterm |
| 13:17.23 | cocobo | ok |
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| 13:19.44 | tbender | re |
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| 13:20.41 | scifi | neone use KPovmodeler here ? |
| 13:20.46 | tbender | hmm, kontact/korganizer slows down like hell after I created several new events |
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| 13:30.57 | zeng | hellooooooooo |
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| 13:32.51 | easytiger | how do i send a file in kopete? |
| 13:33.01 | hussam | is there a program for kde like firestarter? |
| 13:33.03 | easytiger | found it |
| 13:34.00 | Gentle | at least in the current beta it's broken |
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| 13:46.13 | kimo | what the shit it that?? http://amarok.kde.org/ |
| 13:46.32 | xushi | kimo: it's an open source audio player :p |
| 13:46.49 | kimo | no, visit the page ... |
| 13:46.59 | xushi | correction, it's a universal resource link to the open source audio player? :p |
| 13:47.28 | HamishTPB | the page looks normal for me |
| 13:47.35 | kimo | !!!!!!!! |
| 13:47.38 | xushi | looks normal to me too |
| 13:47.46 | kimo | to me it is hacked & contains arabic text .. |
| 13:47.52 | kimo | & to my friends too |
| 13:48.00 | xushi | kimo: take a pic, let me see |
| 13:48.01 | HamishTPB | weird |
| 13:48.18 | pinotree | kimo: the dns srver you're using is "poisoned" |
| 13:48.23 | xushi | do a trace route |
| 13:49.01 | kimo | duh ... now it turns normal |
| 13:49.53 | xushi | kimo: so what did it say in arabic then? :) |
| 13:50.18 | kimo | I am an Egyptian & I did understand it lol :) |
| 13:50.31 | xushi | tab mat3assil 2iddeik ya beik :) |
| 13:50.53 | kimo | heh , where did u get that from! |
| 13:51.11 | xushi | from one of adel imam's movies i think ;) lol |
| 13:51.21 | mobtek | which means LOZL I HAXXED J00R DNS |
| 13:51.41 | kimo | xushi: which country u from? |
| 13:51.59 | xushi | kimo: masri falastini, sukkan el urdon, bi uk atm |
| 13:52.31 | kimo | r u a KDE dev ? |
| 13:52.37 | xushi | not even close, |
| 13:52.49 | kimo | :) |
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| 13:53.01 | xushi | nah, the only contributions i did was admin and php for bblog, and now clearpackage |
| 13:53.04 | kimo | duh hacked page is back |
| 13:53.55 | kimo | xushi: plz check |
| 13:54.08 | xushi | nope, still the same here |
| 13:54.31 | kimo | amarok.kde.org has address 216.32.84.227 |
| 13:54.42 | kimo | correct ? |
| 13:55.32 | xushi | kimo: yea that's the one i hae too |
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| 13:56.18 | xushi | kimo: take a screenshot while you're at it |
| 13:56.43 | kimo | done |
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| 14:00.33 | bUscher- | is there a good kde image browser? where I can go to the next picture in a folder for example by scrolling down my mouse wheel? |
| 14:00.54 | xushi | bUscher-: gwenview |
| 14:01.21 | xushi | or showFoto i think |
| 14:01.28 | bUscher- | thx |
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| 14:02.31 | rohitsz | need help on umbrello... what version will open an xml (from .mdl) converted file? |
| 14:03.10 | rohitsz | currently have 1.4,shall i install kdeskdk-umbrello(1.5)? |
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| 14:08.17 | ico2_ | morning |
| 14:08.31 | ico2_ | can someone point me to a repository for the latest gstreamer? |
| 14:08.35 | ico2_ | svn repos that is |
| 14:09.02 | illogica1 | ico2_: might wanna try #gstreamer for that. |
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| 14:12.02 | ico2_ | illogica1 cheers |
| 14:16.05 | bUscher- | how can I bind mousw wheel down in khotkey? |
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| 14:17.49 | aronofsky | hi , what is the command to launch an application in the systray , i cant remeber ? |
| 14:19.26 | aronofsky | anyone ? |
| 14:19.49 | kimo | aronofsky: kstart |
| 14:20.27 | xushi | oO never heard of kstart |
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| 14:21.13 | aronofsky | kimo, it could work but it was anoter command that i was looking for , you didn't have to specify any args |
| 14:21.38 | aronofsky | for exemple , cmd <firefox> was starting firefox in systray |
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| 14:24.35 | penguin-p | aronofsky: try alltray |
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| 14:25.18 | aronofsky | just find it , it was ksystraycmd |
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| 14:28.35 | adu | brb |
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| 14:34.54 | unbekannt | Does anyone know where the power settings are for shutting off the monitor after X minutes? |
| 14:35.34 | unbekannt | power control in the control center seems to be for laptops only |
| 14:36.46 | jamesots | I think it should be in the screen saver setting |
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| 14:37.15 | jamesots | Ah no, it's in display settings, when you go to 'configure desktop' |
| 14:37.48 | unbekannt | jamesots: thanks |
| 14:37.58 | unbekannt | under 'peripherals' |
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| 14:54.53 | msoos | Guys! I use KDE 3.5 with a Thinkpad R40 laptop and it is great!! Everything works, I am amazed. Only thing: KWifiManager has a *very* unintuitive interface. It is a real burden to get to know it! (and it offers no dhcp client start, and the script-loading for it has a buggy interface!) |
| 14:55.51 | msoos | kde wireless assistant looks more neat but does not work (a bad combination,again) |
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| 14:56.12 | msoos | PLUS, neither has WPA enablig capability |
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| 14:58.17 | msoos | gemidjy, you know of the problem I wrote about above? (i.e. kde&wireless do not work well)? |
| 14:58.46 | gemidjy | nope, have no experience with wifi |
| 14:59.16 | kimo | knetworkmanager from kubuntu rox |
| 15:00.06 | msoos | I had neither, but I had to use it and it took me an hour to get it to work. I am an IT professional, so that means it is impossible to get it to work for a normal person |
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| 15:01.45 | benJIman | yeah suse made knetworkmanager, it's pretty good |
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| 15:07.16 | munzir | Hi, I am getting errors like "mime types not supported" and "protocol not supported http" when I installed kde in a chroot in my dapper, what could be the reason, please? |
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| 15:08.04 | xroberx | hi |
| 15:08.08 | msoos | munzir, did you install konqueror? |
| 15:09.12 | munzir | msoos: yes those errors from konqueror itself. when launching it from terminal there is errors also like "kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!" |
| 15:09.53 | msoos | munzir, and does konqueror work as expected? They might be errors you should ignore... |
| 15:10.59 | munzir | msoos: no it's not. just putting any url gives these errors. settings -> configure konqueror shows a blank page |
| 15:11.30 | msoos | damn, this is a problem of some kio slave |
| 15:11.41 | msoos | they might not be started at startup |
| 15:12.57 | msoos | but I am no expert. I used to have this problem when I had my config files messed up, having root permissions and stuff. The kio slaves wouldnt start and I had this kind of mess. I can not help, only think I can say: have a look at this kio thing whatever it is :D |
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| 15:19.57 | PhilRod | munzir: run "kbuildsycoca" from a konsole. Paste the output to a pastebin and put a link here |
| 15:20.04 | munzir | msoos: thx for the tip. I will try though I doubt i can help myself ;) |
| 15:20.21 | tbender | hi folks |
| 15:20.51 | tbender | is there a way to sync my calendar and adressbook on two machines (desktop and laptop)? |
| 15:22.09 | PhilRod | kpilot or kitchensync maybe |
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| 15:26.51 | nico8481 | hi |
| 15:27.03 | PhilRod | hi nico8481 |
| 15:27.49 | munzir | PhilRod: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13230 |
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| 15:28.08 | nico8481 | i'm having troubles to play audio files... seems like the player thinks the audio device is already used, while it isn't (unless ripping a CD through the audiocd:/ KIOslaves is considered as "using the audiodevice" and blocks access to it?) |
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| 15:28.19 | nico8481 | any idea what could be happening? |
| 15:28.40 | PhilRod | munzir: did you run it from inside X? |
| 15:29.08 | nico8481 | can't even start KDE's sound system (says default is already used, will use null instead) |
| 15:29.17 | munzir | PhilRod: I did sudo chroot /chroot and then kbuildsycoca |
| 15:29.27 | nico8481 | (although i doubt the sound system is necessary but i wanted to check) |
| 15:29.43 | nico8481 | fuser /dev/dsp returns nothing... |
| 15:29.57 | PhilRod | munzir: and was that under X, or just in a terminal? |
| 15:30.35 | PhilRod | nico8481: check non-kde sound works (exit kde, try mpg123 or xmms or something) |
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| 15:31.09 | nico8481 | PhilRod: hmm... can't exit kde right now (ripping in progress) but i'll have a check right after :) |
| 15:31.35 | msoos | munzir, hey! you are running stuff as another user than the X is running with (Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server) you should switch to the user then run it! (or use kdesu)! |
| 15:31.47 | nico8481 | PhilRod: would running it from ctrl+alt+F2 be OK? |
| 15:32.11 | PhilRod | nico8481: once you've exited kde, ye |
| 15:32.13 | PhilRod | yes* |
| 15:32.18 | nico8481 | hm m:( |
| 15:32.21 | munzir | PhilRod: under X |
| 15:32.49 | munzir | PhilRod, msoos: hey i will back after 5 min |
| 15:33.45 | nico8481 | xmms fails to open OSS driver |
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| 15:34.48 | nico8481 | i can play audio CDs via kscd however |
| 15:36.15 | PhilRod | munzir: first you should find out why kbuildsycoca can't connect to X - if kbuildsycoca won't work, neither will KDE |
| 15:36.30 | nico8481 | ripping is finished... gonna kill X and try mpg123 |
| 15:36.36 | nico8481 | brb |
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| 15:38.24 | mhterres | hi all |
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| 15:42.21 | nico8481 | doesn't work any better with mpg123... says "Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)" |
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| 15:43.37 | PhilRod | even with X killed? You could look for processes (in the output of 'ps') that might be blocking the sound card |
| 15:44.05 | nico8481 | PhilRod: i had a look but nothing that meaned anything to me :p |
| 15:44.13 | PhilRod | but if non-kde apps don't work, and kde isn't running, it's presumably not a kde problem |
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| 15:44.32 | nico8481 | hmm no maybe not |
| 15:44.46 | nico8481 | strange... :-/ |
| 15:45.21 | nico8481 | PhilRod: well i killed X but kdm restarted automatically |
| 15:45.36 | nico8481 | however i did not log in and hit ctrl+alt+f2 instead |
| 15:45.57 | nico8481 | so maybe some part of KDE was still running... dunno how kdm works in depth |
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| 15:47.08 | nico8481 | but i did not see anything that looked like a sound-related process in the ps output |
| 15:47.25 | nico8481 | (although i probably don't know all the processes that could be sound-related...) |
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| 15:48.08 | PhilRod | you could kill the kdm with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (kills the X that kdm is using), which would probably clear up anything that's lying around |
| 15:48.36 | nico8481 | that's what i did... but X and kdm restarted automatically |
| 15:48.46 | nico8481 | showed me the login screen again |
| 15:49.27 | nico8481 | but i guess it killed everything related to the previous session, yes |
| 15:50.02 | PhilRod | yes, that's the idea |
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| 15:53.28 | feindbild | hi =) |
| 15:54.15 | feindbild | It was once possible in kde when installing fonts to create a new folder and install them there ... is it possible to do that still ? |
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| 15:54.36 | feindbild | in control center ... |
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| 15:59.09 | Zalamander | Has anyone here *successfully* used a SIP client in KDE (one that doesn't require Gnome libs)? If so, which one? |
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| 16:00.43 | sgrosse | skype |
| 16:00.51 | sgrosse | ;o) |
| 16:01.01 | positivo | olá |
| 16:01.04 | Zalamander | hm, does Skype use SIP? I thought they used a proprietary protocol |
| 16:01.12 | sgrosse | not sip |
| 16:01.16 | sgrosse | but worked |
| 16:01.23 | sgrosse | openwengo did as well |
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| 16:01.30 | sgrosse | that one is using sip |
| 16:01.31 | Zalamander | I'm looking for SIP, or H323 |
| 16:01.42 | sgrosse | and pretty cheap rates |
| 16:01.51 | sgrosse | compared to skype |
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| 16:02.47 | Zalamander | thanks, I'll look at openwengo. |
| 16:02.53 | sgrosse | what distro do you use? Zalamander? |
| 16:03.19 | sgrosse | for Kubuntu there are good packages |
| 16:03.27 | Zalamander | sgrosse Slackware here |
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| 16:04.22 | sgrosse | hm. |
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| 16:04.48 | sgrosse | they have debs and rpms |
| 16:04.56 | MatBoy | what could be the problem that my mousepionter dissapears when I move my mouse in Quake4 ? |
| 16:05.09 | Zalamander | sgrosse I can manage ... so long as it doesn't require Gnome :-) |
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| 16:05.25 | sgrosse | okay |
| 16:05.28 | Zalamander | sgrosse thanks for the tip |
| 16:05.52 | sgrosse | if you have some time the next generation looks promnising |
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| 16:06.06 | sgrosse | should be released the next 1-2 weeks |
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| 16:06.34 | sgrosse | the have implemented gaim and the possibility to switch providers... |
| 16:07.18 | munzir | PhilRod: thx for your tips I am trying to figure this out. All i did is followed https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DebootstrapChroot maybe the problem is lying with mount /home as shared between the two systems? |
| 16:07.18 | Zalamander | it may be a couple of weeks before I get to installing it anyway :-) |
| 16:08.07 | PhilRod | munzir: I don't know anything about chroots, but I think kbuildsycoca gets its cache from /tmp or /var/tmp somewhere. Perhaps your chroot is missing those dirs? |
| 16:08.15 | sgrosse | okay then you should definitely have a lkook |
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| 16:09.06 | Zalamander | sgrosse I guess that's what "NG" means, eh? |
| 16:09.30 | sgrosse | smart |
| 16:09.44 | Zalamander | ^_^ |
| 16:10.58 | munzir | PhilRod: how can I tell you are a marvellous guy! Yes there are saying nothing about mount /var/tmp. I just did and it worked! |
| 16:11.30 | PhilRod | heh, cool :-) |
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| 16:21.16 | root | hi |
| 16:21.40 | mhall | root: do sollst nicht mit root am irc gehen |
| 16:21.52 | root | mit was denn? |
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| 16:22.07 | mhall | root: normaler benutzer konto |
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| 16:22.35 | root | ok, und wie bitte schön verändere ich den namen? |
| 16:23.21 | mhall | root: wieder einloggen mit einem anderen konto, den du mit adduser machen kannst. |
| 16:23.47 | root | ok |
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| 16:24.23 | Chrisken | hi |
| 16:24.34 | PhilRod | hi Chrisken |
| 16:26.36 | mhall | scheiße |
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| 16:28.05 | munzir | PhilRod: do you know what's this /sys is or where can I find information about it? |
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| 16:29.40 | PhilRod | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:30.06 | xushi | munzir: i got sys in gentoo |
| 16:30.23 | xushi | i'd check slack too but can't at |
| 16:30.23 | xushi | atm |
| 16:30.49 | munzir | PhilRod, xushi: i have it on ubuntu, too |
| 16:31.43 | elvstone | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysfs |
| 16:32.05 | munzir | elvstone: thx a lot |
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| 16:33.12 | dracul666 | somebody can tell me why if i change desktop from desktop 1 to desktop 2 i can't see my panel?? |
| 16:33.30 | sherz | It is possible to use the tags in digiKam directly for flickr ? digikam 0.8.1 kde 3.5.2 |
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| 16:38.57 | dbakker | do i need to run kicker to run kde? I want to use kxdocker since kicker and xgl are not getting along |
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| 16:40.56 | PhilRod | dbakker: remove kicker.desktop from $KDEDIR/share/autostart |
| 16:41.09 | PhilRod | where $KDEDIR=$(kde-config --prefix) |
| 16:42.23 | dbakker | PhilRod: I dont have a kicker.desktop, I have kicker in panel.desktop |
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| 16:43.22 | PhilRod | oh yeah, panel.desktop. That's what I meant :-) |
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| 16:43.52 | dbakker | PhilRod: should I change panel.desktop to start kxdocker instead? |
| 16:44.31 | PhilRod | I guess that should work |
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| 16:44.48 | dbakker | brb, going to try it |
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| 16:50.07 | mikearthur | muting kmix doesn't work on my audigy 2 |
| 16:50.18 | mikearthur | it says mute and unmute on the screen, but doesn't change the volume |
| 16:51.46 | mikearthur | any ideas? |
| 16:52.48 | cenuij | yes |
| 16:52.49 | cenuij | !topic |
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| 16:52.55 | cenuij | doh wrong chan |
| 16:52.58 | cenuij | igore me |
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| 17:04.54 | NW|Smok | hello :) |
| 17:07.03 | NW|Smok | ive got a Gentoo machine running fluxbox and KDE 3.5 i have a problem with my monitor it only shows that it can do 70 Hz display refresh at 1024x768 and i know it can do 85 Hz can anyone tell me how can i force KDE to run my monitor at 85 Hz?? |
| 17:07.18 | benJIman | it's an X setting not kde |
| 17:07.41 | NW|Smok | still any idea what could i do?? |
| 17:07.51 | benJIman | ask in #gentoo |
| 17:08.09 | NW|Smok | also 1 more question |
| 17:08.13 | NW|Smok | ive emerged a language pack |
| 17:08.31 | NW|Smok | but in settings i cant use another language than us_english |
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| 17:10.42 | benJIman | probably havn't got the kde language pack or something, another gentoo specific question realy |
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| 17:11.17 | NW|Smok | bah.. ok im off to the gentoo chans thx and cya :) |
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| 17:13.23 | HPS`Fresh | hi all. can someone halp me? when i run kmail it says that it can`t create ~/Mail |
| 17:13.58 | HPS`Fresh | s/halp/help/ |
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| 17:24.32 | victor__ | hi all |
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| 17:24.57 | bigredradio | Is kde.org having problems or down for maintenance? |
| 17:25.03 | victor__ | can i set transparency in windows with kde? |
| 17:25.19 | victor__ | or do i need a package like trannset? |
| 17:25.35 | sgrosse | compiz + xgl |
| 17:26.37 | victor__ | sgrosse, that was for me? i didn't understand |
| 17:27.13 | bigredradio | Back up now. |
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| 18:06.35 | Thibod | could someone tell me if it's normal |
| 18:06.54 | Thibod | when I type amarok.kde.org I am linked to an islamic web page? |
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| 18:07.23 | Thibod | thx |
| 18:07.27 | Thibod | thhought so |
| 18:07.44 | Thibod | and anyone here as tried to install amarok 1.4? |
| 18:08.30 | Thibod | nice |
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| 18:09.13 | Thibod | got some issue here tryin to install the release-2... I asks a lot of dependencies... like IPod lib... where can I get all those lib? I'm using Suse 10 and I can't find suse rpm on rpmfind.com |
| 18:09.28 | Thibod | I was thinking about installing the source code instead |
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| 18:10.15 | pinotree | well, if you compile from source then you can disable the feature you don't have the packages for |
| 18:10.33 | StAnLeY^ | hey, how can I remove a Network share from the remote:/ listing ? |
| 18:10.41 | Thibod | ty |
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| 18:10.53 | Thibod | and as of freenode.. is that the official linux IRC server? |
| 18:10.54 | teclo | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 18:10.54 | teclo | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 18:10.54 | teclo | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 18:11.01 | pinotree | StAnLeY^: simply click and press Delete |
| 18:11.02 | teclo | .... hello... what do I need to do ? |
| 18:11.20 | pinotree | teclo: installing the devel package of kdelibs? |
| 18:11.35 | StAnLeY^ | pinotree: doesn't work.. and there is no Delete option in the rmb menu :/ |
| 18:11.36 | teclo | pinotree: indeed... apt-get install kdelibs-dev I guess ? |
| 18:11.44 | pinotree | kdelibs4-dev |
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| 18:13.04 | pinotree | StAnLeY^: who spoke about a RMB? |
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| 18:13.17 | pinotree | StAnLeY^: press the Del key on the keyboard |
| 18:13.27 | teclo | hm, already installed about 80 MB of development libraries... |
| 18:13.40 | StAnLeY^ | pinotree: doesn't work, as I said above :) |
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| 18:16.37 | Thibod | how can I identify myself to IRC... sry been 7 years since I used this... |
| 18:17.43 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.54 | pinotree | (the password without < and > ) |
| 18:18.03 | Thibod | ty! |
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| 18:25.04 | alexxio | if i found a bug on celestia, who should i contact? |
| 18:25.17 | pinotree | to the celestia team, of course |
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| 18:28.35 | alexxio | pino, where can i find them? |
| 18:28.54 | pinotree | see the celestia about dialog, or any other info page |
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| 18:29.00 | alexxio | k tnx |
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| 18:29.01 | pinotree | find its website |
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| 18:29.49 | kriptos | hola |
| 18:31.06 | kriptos | are there somebody here that speak spanish? |
| 18:31.28 | tstaerk | kriptos, venga al sala #kde-es por favor |
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| 18:41.30 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'd like klaptop to do nothing when I close the lid of my laptop. However I don't have this choice (only suspend to ram, to disk or power off, no "do nothing") |
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| 18:46.14 | tstaerk | lord_rob, file a bug report (wishlist) at bugs.kde.org |
| 18:47.49 | pavi | Hi guys I filed a bug http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126575 Its my first Bug :) so please reply |
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| 18:52.22 | tstaerk | pavi, thanks for reporting, but that says about nothing. |
| 18:53.12 | pavi | what ? |
| 18:53.38 | tstaerk | pavi, how did you install kdegames ? |
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| 18:54.00 | pavi | ya thats a good question |
| 18:54.00 | Ediehow | anyone good w/k3b? |
| 18:54.02 | Ediehow | how do i import a session? |
| 18:54.10 | illogica1 | import? |
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| 18:54.29 | illogica1 | you mean using .k3b sessions you saved? |
| 18:54.38 | Ediehow | no |
| 18:54.40 | pavi | I didnt install it through the fedora Cd I got ... Instead I searched for rpms's in rpmbone.net and installed the rpm |
| 18:54.41 | Ediehow | a multisession cd |
| 18:54.49 | tstaerk | pavi, also, I cannot reproduce (using another distro), so you might want to ask at #fedora |
| 18:55.11 | pavi | ok but I am kicked out from fedora :( |
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| 18:55.55 | tstaerk | pavi, build that kdegames from sources and start over. |
| 18:56.06 | pavi | I know it will work :) |
| 18:56.18 | pavi | If I do that way |
| 18:56.30 | pavi | is here no way this bug can be solved ? |
| 18:57.01 | tstaerk | pavi, problem is kde guys will say it is a packaging bug while fedora guys will say it is not their package. |
| 18:57.22 | tstaerk | pavi, maybe a yum install kdegames (or however you say that) would work |
| 18:58.15 | lord_rob | bugs.kde.org seems to be down atm :( |
| 18:58.22 | pavi | In between KDE an dfedora guys I stand ... :) ok but doing yum is forcing me to install the new kde version |
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| 18:58.40 | pavi | so thats the reason I searched for that rpm |
| 18:58.41 | illogica1 | Ediehow: you have to select using multisession when you burn the cd first. then k3b uses multisession mode automatically |
| 18:58.44 | tstaerk | pavi, another good thing |
| 18:58.46 | PhilRod | lord_rob: general problems with *.kde.org today, it seems |
| 18:59.38 | illogica1 | Ediehow: it's also possible to specify sessions in the dialog which pops up right before burning. |
| 19:00.18 | pavi | and I dont want to update my kde as I have limited bandwidth |
| 19:01.06 | tstaerk | pavi, updating kde is the way to go - do you really need that one game ? |
| 19:02.00 | pavi | Thats a good question ... I dont need by the way after some 10 days or so a magazine in my country is giving FC5 so I will be updating directly |
| 19:03.20 | tstaerk | I gave up with FC5 yesterday as it cannot install on usb disk |
| 19:03.22 | Ediehow | k |
| 19:03.22 | Ediehow | thx |
| 19:05.18 | pavi | why on usb disk ? |
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| 19:07.44 | tstaerk | because my laptop is owned by my firm and I need to boot it from USB for private use |
| 19:08.00 | tstaerk | except if I want to use an OS that I do not need to name here |
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| 19:15.06 | pavi | ok so ur firm is a win* supporter :) |
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| 19:20.55 | xst | How do I make ctrl-enter the hotkey for "send message" in kopete? |
| 19:21.08 | PhilRod | settings->confgiure shortcuts |
| 19:21.24 | PhilRod | I think you have to do it in the chat window |
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| 19:22.41 | denisbr | Hi, Anybody, Can me to say a screan reader for kde? |
| 19:22.52 | xst | PPhilRod: Thanks |
| 19:24.39 | PhilRod | denisbr: ktts |
| 19:24.45 | PhilRod | in the kdeaccessibility module |
| 19:25.04 | PhilRod | (it uses festival, or other text to speech programs as a backend) |
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| 19:35.36 | oldcat1120 | å–µ |
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| 19:35.49 | oldcat1120 | so many people |
| 19:36.01 | denisbr | PhilRod: thanks |
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| 19:39.00 | oldcat1120 | 抓抓抓 |
| 19:39.05 | oldcat1120 | 我是è€è²“ |
| 19:39.15 | oldcat1120 | 在suse10上 |
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| 19:42.12 | _steven | hi i just tried out klik are cmgs distro independant |
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| 19:50.04 | xst | How can I prevent desktop up/down/left/right switching from wrapping around? |
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| 19:52.17 | bono | Question: can kde work with dual screens? |
| 19:52.49 | xushi | bono: yes |
| 19:52.49 | robinr | bono: yes |
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| 19:53.51 | oGALAXYo | bono: yes |
| 19:54.15 | bono | xushi|robinr|oGALAXYo : could you give me a url that would explain how or tell me what option i should check? |
| 19:54.45 | robinr | bono: nothing (I think). Just enable xinerama. |
| 19:55.01 | xushi | argh... whenever i try and play a dvd in gxine, i get this error "Read error from: Error opening vtsN=-1, domain=2." No other player wants to work too... wtf is going on here? =/ |
| 19:55.04 | robinr | xinerama is a X feature |
| 19:55.15 | xushi | bono: if you're on gentoo read their wiki, if not, read them too. they're a lifesaver |
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| 19:56.24 | bono | robinr | xushi : im on debian. ill give xinerama a try. thx |
| 19:56.47 | xushi | anyone can help me on this dvd issue? both my gf and i will be very grateful :) |
| 19:57.14 | robinr | bono: check the docs for your graphics card. Every driver seems to do this slightly differently. |
| 19:57.21 | PhilRod | xushi: ask in #xine |
| 19:57.34 | robinr | e.g. nvidia calls it twinwiew |
| 19:58.12 | bono | robinr: i have one nv video card and one ati... :-) |
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| 19:58.52 | bono | robinr: yup. just setting the xinerama option in my x config file solves te problem. thx. |
| 19:59.01 | robinr | hmm, then it's standard xinerama I think (without accellerated graphics :( ) |
| 19:59.14 | bono | robinr: ohh... hmm... |
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| 20:00.23 | robinr | I have only tried dual port cards. They can use one frambuffer for both cards and get acceleration on both screens. |
| 20:00.37 | World | how do i know what kind of system i am running, i386 486 586? |
| 20:01.11 | pinotree | World: uname -a |
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| 20:01.21 | bono | robinr: oh well... im no gamer. just need to see doc, text editor and logs at the same time... |
| 20:01.46 | World | thanks |
| 20:01.59 | bono | robinr: thanks for the help. and btw... this is a much 'friendlier' channel than #debian! |
| 20:02.32 | WorldBFree | ahhh, you cant have periods in your name |
| 20:03.02 | tstaerk | bono, I would have guessed so :) |
| 20:03.19 | oGALAXYo | debian can be a friendly channel too |
| 20:03.25 | oGALAXYo | you only need to become a bigger ass :) |
| 20:03.30 | tstaerk | lol |
| 20:04.06 | bono | :-) |
| 20:07.04 | xushi | no one there =/ |
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| 20:08.57 | xst | I have assigned hotkeys to move current desktop up/down/... How do I prevent it from wrapping around when it comes to the last desktop verically or horizontally? |
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| 20:17.22 | xushi | turns out my drive was set to region 1.. now i get this error "encrypted media stream detected stream scrambled/encrypted" |
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| 20:19.05 | method| | anyone know how can I make konqueror use my mouse theme? When i click on a link it has some ugly cursor with a watch. It doesn't use my clearlook cursor with the spinning blue dots |
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| 20:20.32 | sorush20 | is there any way that we can use xpi extensions on konqueror |
| 20:20.41 | Blissex | sorush20: no. |
| 20:20.51 | sorush20 | anyone here think its a great idea? |
| 20:20.56 | method| | does this happen to anybody else or is it just me? |
| 20:21.06 | Blissex | sorush20: it is just about impossible. |
| 20:21.15 | sorush20 | due to geko? |
| 20:21.43 | Blissex | method|: try to start a fresh Konqueror instance, e.g. by typing 'konqueror' at the command line. |
| 20:22.07 | Blissex | sorush20: no, due to XUL. XPIs are XUL programs. Konqueror is not written in XUL. |
| 20:22.35 | sorush20 | is there a way that konqueror could change its base to xul? |
| 20:22.41 | sorush20 | and maintain its speed? |
| 20:22.54 | sorush20 | I find that firefox is a lot slower on kde? |
| 20:23.07 | oGALAXYo | sorush20: no |
| 20:23.46 | method| | anyone know how can I make konqueror use my mouse theme? When i click on a link it has some ugly cursor with a watch. It doesn't use my clearlook cursor with the spinning blue dots |
| 20:23.48 | method| | does this happen to anybody else or is it just me? |
| 20:24.08 | sorush20 | is there any way that I could stop coming up with ideas that are hard to implement, since I don't know computer science? |
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| 20:24.41 | oGALAXYo | sorush20: its not about "hard to implement" its about "design philosophy".. konqueror wont use XUL and hopefully never will. |
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| 20:26.36 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: no |
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| 20:27.25 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: konqueror wll be able to read xul IF it will have a very good xul parser and rendered AND IF there will be a js binding compatible with firefox's needs |
| 20:28.09 | oGALAXYo | XUL is dead technology.. |
| 20:28.27 | oGALAXYo | invented by a bunch of kids because they can't agree using default toolkits like QT, GTK, FLTK or whatever |
| 20:28.32 | oGALAXYo | :) |
| 20:28.47 | Q-collective | no, because they thought xml is the r0ckz0rzzz |
| 20:28.55 | SimAtWork | well |
| 20:28.58 | SimAtWork | xml is pretty freaking sweet |
| 20:29.11 | SimAtWork | but i've never used xul |
| 20:29.12 | pinotree | dude |
| 20:29.14 | pinotree | s |
| 20:29.25 | robinr | people seem to do a whole lot of useful stuff with it |
| 20:29.36 | pinotree | please no flames about toolkits, ok? |
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| 20:29.49 | Q-collective | pinotree: please? :) |
| 20:30.09 | oGALAXYo | XUL is no toolkit |
| 20:30.12 | oGALAXYo | :) |
| 20:30.23 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 20:30.32 | Blissex | XUL is actually not that bad, it is basically client-side-only AJAX. But the KDE philosophy is quite different... |
| 20:30.47 | linescanner | any of you fine gents using kontact and egroupware ? |
| 20:31.17 | Blissex | Firefox is built out of XUL more or less like Emacs is built out of Emacs Lisp. |
| 20:31.38 | oGALAXYo | exactly.. |
| 20:31.41 | oGALAXYo | thats why i dont use emacs :) |
| 20:31.45 | oGALAXYo | i use a real editor. |
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| 20:32.00 | oGALAXYo | it starts with V and ends with IM |
| 20:32.04 | oGALAXYo | :) |
| 20:32.12 | Alethes | I dislike any text editor that requires a tutorial |
| 20:32.19 | Alethes | it's a _text editor_ for gods sakes |
| 20:32.24 | Blissex | oGALAXYo: bzzzt. Wrong answer. In this channel you must say KATE :-) |
| 20:32.40 | oGALAXYo | Alethes: you dont need a tutorial for VIM |
| 20:32.44 | oGALAXYo | only years of experience :) |
| 20:32.52 | Blissex | Alethes: thats a very very restricted view of editors. |
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| 20:33.19 | Alethes | I don't know that text editors need a very broad view |
| 20:33.25 | Alethes | "does it accept text and save it?" |
| 20:33.45 | Q-collective | nano ftw \o/ |
| 20:33.49 | xushi | bah i give up |
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| 20:37.03 | Blissex | Alethes: thats very very restrictive. Editors are general text transformation platforms nowadays, one can do miraculous things with them. |
| 20:37.54 | oGALAXYo | eclipse :) |
| 20:38.49 | Blissex | oGALAXYo: Eclipse is a kitchen sink like Emacs... :-) |
| 20:39.03 | oGALAXYo | well i actually started to like it.. |
| 20:39.06 | oGALAXYo | been using it @ work |
| 20:39.10 | oGALAXYo | for java coding.. |
| 20:39.17 | oGALAXYo | the code completion and method shower is nice. |
| 20:39.23 | Blissex | oGALAXYo: A lot of people like jEdit instead. It is really a text editor, but is pluginable so it can do everything. |
| 20:39.58 | Blissex | oGALAXYo: I like jEdit too, more than Eclipse or NetBeans. |
| 20:40.14 | oGALAXYo | i speak about eclipse |
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| 20:43.52 | canllaith | morning all |
| 20:44.00 | lgsobalvarro | hello canllaith |
| 20:44.06 | pinotree | evening canllaith :) |
| 20:44.58 | canllaith | how are you pinotree ? |
| 20:45.06 | pinotree | fine, thanks |
| 20:45.19 | pinotree | slept well, canllaith? |
| 20:45.48 | canllaith | and you lgsobalvarro ? |
| 20:46.04 | lgsobalvarro | fine thx canllaith :D |
| 20:46.07 | canllaith | pinotree: yup, very well. Almost tempted to go back to sleep after the b/f goes to work... |
| 20:46.26 | pinotree | hehe |
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| 20:47.53 | xst | Can I somehow add xeyes to the panel (so the eyes themself are shown here)? |
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| 20:49.50 | lgsobalvarro | i'm using klaptop, if i install kpowersave i'll have any problem? |
| 20:50.24 | sorush20 | is kde going to go 3d? like vista? |
| 20:51.05 | frb-work | kde is going to abstract that layer out |
| 20:51.23 | canllaith | lgsobalvarro: no, just run kpowersave instead of klaptop :) |
| 20:51.25 | frb-work | that way it can run on any graphics engine, such as GDI, Cocoa, GL or standard X11 |
| 20:51.26 | canllaith | you can tell klaptop not to run |
| 20:51.54 | lgsobalvarro | how i can do that canllaith? |
| 20:51.54 | frb-work | at least, that's what I've understood when reading about plasma, correct me if I'm wrong |
| 20:52.02 | canllaith | lgsobalvarro: in the control panel |
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| 20:52.35 | lgsobalvarro | tnx canllaith |
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| 20:53.22 | oGALAXYo | http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/american_giraffe.jpg |
| 20:54.00 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: omg |
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| 20:54.54 | lgsobalvarro | canllaith: i dont see how tell klaptop not run in kcontrol. |
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| 20:56.10 | canllaith | Then you are not looking very hard :) Power Control -> Laptop Battery |
| 20:56.23 | canllaith | On the very first tab, the very first checkbox - 'Show batterymonitor' |
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| 20:57.27 | lgsobalvarro | ahh tnx canllaith |
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| 21:02.32 | SimAtWork | anyone here try desktop bsd yet? |
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| 21:04.01 | lgsobalvarro | i try it when it was beta SimAtWork |
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| 21:06.44 | SimAtWork | hrm |
| 21:06.47 | SimAtWork | i'm downloading it now |
| 21:06.55 | SimAtWork | i install kubuntu but i can't get synergy to install on it |
| 21:06.58 | SimAtWork | so i figured i'll try something else |
| 21:07.03 | SimAtWork | without synergy i can't use it |
| 21:07.12 | SimAtWork | to much dependancy crap |
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| 21:15.39 | canllaith | You could try compiling synergy SimAtWork |
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| 21:22.01 | SpeS | hi, how can I know in Ksysguard wich one is my HD disk read/write rate?? there are LOTS of "numbers" in Disk Throughput... |
| 21:22.27 | SpeS | and I don't know what they mean... |
| 21:22.41 | xst | Does superkaramba come as part of some kde-package or should I download it separately? |
| 21:22.57 | pinotree | xst: kdeutils |
| 21:23.09 | xst | thanks |
| 21:23.34 | SimAtWork | canllaith: that's whta wasn't working |
| 21:23.44 | SimAtWork | canllaith: in a last ditch effort i got it to intsall though! |
| 21:23.49 | SimAtWork | i still think i'll try desktopbsd though |
| 21:23.51 | SimAtWork | it looks neet |
| 21:25.57 | xst | Are there some way of deinstalling a superkaramba theme once it has been installed? (this feature was missing in ealier versions) |
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| 21:26.06 | fatmike | hi |
| 21:26.07 | fatmike | question: how can i get a 'show desktop'-button on my kde taskbar? |
| 21:26.35 | oGALAXYo | fatmike: right mousebutton on the panel and then 'Add something' |
| 21:26.49 | oGALAXYo | fatmike: a dialog with all kind of stuff appears there you select 'show desktop' |
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| 21:36.35 | fatmike | ah nice! |
| 21:36.41 | fatmike | thank you galaxy! |
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| 21:46.10 | martoss | hi there |
| 21:46.39 | martoss | i have a problem with my special keys in kde althoug i am not sure if it's a special key problem. |
| 21:48.20 | martoss | i can use use the XF86AudioLowerVolume but not the XF86AudioRaiseVolume |
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| 21:58.23 | Zaze4 | hello? |
| 21:58.42 | pinotree | hello |
| 22:00.39 | SimAtWork | hello |
| 22:00.57 | SimAtWork | we are the knights who say wii |
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| 22:01.26 | Zaze4 | okay. |
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| 22:01.33 | Zaze4 | wow.... i hate ksirc |
| 22:02.17 | SimAtWork | i could see why |
| 22:02.20 | SimAtWork | try konversation |
| 22:02.29 | SimAtWork | or xchat if you don't mind using non kde apps |
| 22:03.07 | Zaze4 | i like konversation, i was just trying something new |
| 22:03.12 | Zaze4 | i show stop soon, |
| 22:03.21 | Zaze4 | but i might try out xchat sometime |
| 22:03.55 | Zaze4 | %7everyone's leaving! |
| 22:04.09 | Zaze4 | %C7Everyone's leaving |
| 22:04.20 | Zaze4 | colours don't work with ksirc? |
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| 22:08.34 | SimAtWork | run away |
| 22:08.40 | Zaze4 | i am back |
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| 22:10.31 | MementoMori | hi all |
| 22:11.09 | Zaze4 | hello |
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| 22:20.50 | Zaze4 | who here uses Tango? |
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| 22:28.20 | Zaze4 | hi. bye. hi. hi. bye. bye. hi |
| 22:28.31 | Zaze4 | gotta catch up. :p |
| 22:28.47 | Zaze4 | bye. |
| 22:28.51 | Zaze4 | lol |
| 22:28.59 | Zaze4 | is anybody willing to just chat> |
| 22:34.47 | Blissex | Zaze4: this is a technical help channel, not so much a chat channel... |
| 22:35.44 | Blissex | Zaze4: actually this is mostly a technical help network, not just channel. There are plenty of other networks with chat channels, check out bash.org :-) |
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| 22:39.34 | SimAtWork | Zaze4: i can just chat about kde :) |
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| 22:44.36 | feindbild | I'm trying to install the proggy fonts from http://www.proggyfonts.com/index.php?menu=download ... I've copied them into a appropriate dir and ran mkfontdir on the dir ran xset q; xset fp rehash ... restartet kcm ... and they still dont appear ... any idea ? |
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| 22:50.30 | njan | anyone care to point me at where, graphically, one would pair a bluetooth device in kde? I can't seem to do it via System Settings>Bluetooth>Bluetooth Services... |
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| 22:51.29 | MatBoy | what can be the problem when I have turned on the powerbuttons in the KDE-session-config that there are no buttons on thge logoff screen ? |
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| 23:09.49 | yanis | hi |
| 23:10.12 | yanis | where is the tutorial that describes how to create a 'svn' based kde enviroment? |
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| 23:10.44 | yanis | I cant find it.. |
| 23:10.47 | canllaith | As in grabbing the sources from SVN ? |
| 23:10.53 | canllaith | look on developer.kde.org |
| 23:11.24 | yanis | yes |
| 23:11.28 | canllaith | Did you want KDE 3.5 or KDE4 (very unstable, I don't think you want KDE4) |
| 23:11.35 | yanis | canllaith: I am looking there but I cant find it |
| 23:11.42 | yanis | canllaith: kde4 :P |
| 23:11.44 | Blissex | feindbild: fonts are much more complex than you seem to think. |
| 23:11.51 | canllaith | I think it's very unlikely that you want KDE4 |
| 23:12.00 | canllaith | but there are instructions, moment |
| 23:12.51 | yanis | http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html |
| 23:12.53 | yanis | you mean that? |
| 23:12.56 | canllaith | No |
| 23:13.13 | feindbild | Blissex: well .... I dont think their not complex .... ut I installed the proggy pcf font, I can select them with xfontsel but I can't use them in kde ... |
| 23:13.16 | yanis | me too canllaith :) |
| 23:13.29 | Blissex | feindbild: you need to install the font for both the X11 and the FontConfig font systems. |
| 23:13.40 | canllaith | I'm looking for some instructions I edited, I think they should be on the plasma wiki |
| 23:13.57 | feindbild | Blissex: i thought I did .. |
| 23:14.12 | yanis | canllaith: I think I had checked that but it was incomplete.. |
| 23:14.15 | feindbild | Blissex: fc-cache + mkfontdir ? |
| 23:14.26 | canllaith | It's as complete as you're going to find. If you have more specific questions, then ask. |
| 23:14.40 | canllaith | Aha |
| 23:14.43 | yanis | ok canllaith |
| 23:14.46 | canllaith | http://plasma.kde.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_setup_your_KDE_4_environment |
| 23:14.54 | canllaith | Although I don't really like those instructions myself =) |
| 23:14.58 | Blissex | feindbild: check with 'fc-list | grep ....' and 'xlsfonts | grep ....' |
| 23:16.03 | feindbild | Blissex: if fc-list doesn't show them ... what do I have to do ? |
| 23:16.21 | frb-work | mmm... plasma |
| 23:16.22 | Blissex | feindbild: make sure the directory is listed in '/etc/fonts/local.conf' |
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| 23:16.40 | frb-work | I want plasma with XGL and a harem of dancing girls that can cook and clean and ..... |
| 23:16.45 | yanis | thanks canllaith |
| 23:16.51 | feindbild | Blissex: it is ... |
| 23:16.52 | canllaith | harems of dancing girls are extremely off topic here |
| 23:17.13 | Blissex | feindbild: then 'fc-cache' somehow did not work. |
| 23:17.58 | yanis | hah, why the topic says:" DO NOT |
| 23:17.59 | yanis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.00 | yanis | ? |
| 23:18.06 | canllaith | Because it's an insanely stupid idea :) |
| 23:18.14 | feindbild | Blissex: what should I try then ? |
| 23:18.24 | canllaith | You could lose emails, address book, all kinds of data. If you have a problem with configuration you should rename it to something else, like .kde-backup |
| 23:18.27 | yanis | canllaith: it's nice to feel that you have a fresh system |
| 23:18.29 | frb-work | instead of deleting .kde, create a new user, move it out of the way... |
| 23:18.38 | canllaith | Then rename it. Deleting it is really foolish. |
| 23:18.39 | Blissex | feindbild: no idea, it should have worked. |
| 23:18.43 | yanis | canllaith: ok,you're right |
| 23:18.52 | feindbild | Blissex: k ... thanks =/ |
| 23:18.55 | canllaith | I know I am. I put that in the topic :) |
| 23:19.11 | yanis | :P |
| 23:19.50 | Blissex | feindbild: nice fonts BTW. I'll add them to my page. |
| 23:20.45 | feindbild | Blissex: can you try installing them ? so I know its no problem with the fonts ... |
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| 23:21.16 | feindbild | btw... is it possible to blacklist fonts for khtml ? I've installed the windows core fonts ... but I don't want them to get used in konqi/kopete/.. because they look crappy .. |
| 23:21.21 | Alver | 'ello. Kmail won't work with IMAP-SSL anymore after a reinstall... anything I should install or do to get it working? It complains "connection to host is broken". |
| 23:21.44 | Alver | I've been checking/reading/asking around for a few days now... no clues anywhere |
| 23:22.02 | Blissex | feindbild: yes, trying. BTW, which type of package did you download? |
| 23:22.15 | feindbild | Blissex: the pcf ... |
| 23:22.16 | frb-work | Alver: check the ports |
| 23:22.36 | frb-work | Alver: some imap servers use the normal port then trigger TLS, others use the higher port and start off with SSL |
| 23:22.37 | Blissex | feindbild: the windows core fonts will look good if you recompile FreeType to have the byte interpreter. |
| 23:22.45 | Alver | frb-work: if I try "check what the server supports" I already get the error. The ports are fine, they work with other apps. |
| 23:23.47 | Alver | frb-work: I used to get this problem when not having cyrus-sasl installed, but now anything sasl related is there, to no effect. |
| 23:24.12 | yanis | canllaith: are you involved with the kde panel dev ? |
| 23:24.12 | frb-work | Alver: not really sure, I just use gmail :/ |
| 23:24.36 | canllaith | Yes |
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| 23:24.48 | Alver | frb-work: I've been bugging various channels and the bug tracker with it, but deadly silence everywhere :) |
| 23:24.56 | Blissex | feindbild: discussion of font quality issues with screenshots here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno06-2nd.html#060429 |
| 23:25.06 | frb-work | if gmail did imap/ssl I'd know more :) |
| 23:25.07 | feindbild | Blissex: I know ... but I'd prefer blacklisting ... |
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| 23:25.41 | Blissex | feindbild: you can't blacklist but you can force a default font no matter what websites say. |
| 23:27.36 | yanis | canllaith: I miss a feature. it would be create if there was a task bar mode that would display only big icons of the app, not the current buttons |
| 23:27.42 | feindbild | Blissex: how ? |
| 23:27.57 | canllaith | It wont happen until plasma - 3.5 branch is frozen |
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| 23:28.24 | yanis | canllaith: I know that man.But what do you think of it as an idea? |
| 23:28.32 | _root | hi |
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| 23:29.05 | Blissex | feindbild: 'Settings:Configure Konqueror:Stylesheets:Use accessibility stylesheet' or if you know CSS just define your own. |
| 23:29.58 | _root_ | can you help me? |
| 23:31.02 | feindbild | Blissex: hmmm ... I'll just write a few privoxy rules to replace font names =D |
| 23:31.30 | Blissex | feindbild: much easier to force a single font in the 'Use accessibility stylesheet', have a look. |
| 23:31.39 | feindbild | Blissex: btw ... http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/ <- alo a really good small font for programming ... |
| 23:32.06 | canllaith | you can also do font substitutions in Qt |
| 23:32.09 | canllaith | have a look at qtconfig |
| 23:32.10 | Blissex | feindbild: also the proggyfonts are single size only. I prefer to use Adobe Courier bitmap. |
| 23:32.22 | canllaith | The proggy fonts are so tiny though! |
| 23:32.42 | canllaith | I can fit so many more lines of IRC^W uh, work on my screen |
| 23:33.24 | feindbild | canllaith: ^^ |
| 23:34.06 | feindbild | canllaith: that qtconfig font substitution panel is nice .... but I guess I can't apply it to khtml only ... |
| 23:34.11 | canllaith | no |
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| 23:36.22 | canllaith | I feel like that some days too Alver |
| 23:36.53 | Alver | canllaith: try not strangling it after three days of obscure imap-ssl errors, causing you to read your mail in a web interface |
| 23:37.12 | apokryphos | ouch |
| 23:37.13 | Alver | And worst thing is no one has a clue what might be causing it |
| 23:37.19 | canllaith | oh, I've had far worse problems with it than that. however, I'll give it one thing. |
| 23:37.30 | canllaith | It has never pretended to send a submission and really not sent it |
| 23:37.40 | canllaith | without giving me any sort of error message or notification that the message was not actually sent |
| 23:37.47 | feindbild | Alver: is cyrus-sasl installed ? |
| 23:37.48 | canllaith | causing my editor to tear his hair out and have a panic attack |
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| 23:37.57 | apokryphos | it's happened to me 8) |
| 23:37.57 | canllaith | That, kmail has never done. Thunderbird holds the honours there. |
| 23:38.03 | Alver | feindbild: every package that is either cyrus or sasl related, is installed |
| 23:38.03 | apokryphos | in the early days of gmail |
| 23:38.12 | canllaith | Well, I'm using a real mail server :p |
| 23:38.22 | canllaith | whatever weirdness gmail does I am not entirely sure if that is always kmail's fault |
| 23:38.29 | canllaith | I used to have huge issues with ssl and gmail |
| 23:38.30 | apokryphos | it's perfect now |
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| 23:38.37 | apokryphos | I just remember it happening a couple of times |
| 23:38.44 | Alver | feindbild: do you know if kmail requires a configure switch to actually *make* it use some library for imap-ssl? |
| 23:38.49 | apokryphos | canllaith: like when I originally asked to help out on kde-docs :P |
| 23:38.57 | canllaith | No, it will bomb out at compile time if the library is not there Alver |
| 23:39.03 | canllaith | apokryphos: I recall that =) |
| 23:39.13 | feindbild | Alver: I dont think so ... |
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| 23:39.21 | Alver | canllaith: that's just great. The kmail package doesn't depend on any cyrus or sasl library |
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| 23:39.28 | canllaith | It should |
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| 23:39.31 | canllaith | What distribution ? |
| 23:39.35 | Alver | Debian |
| 23:39.48 | canllaith | If you don't already have cyrus sasl, install it. |
| 23:39.55 | apokryphos | canllaith: still using slack these days? |
| 23:39.59 | Alver | canllaith: everything cyrus and sasl related is installed |
| 23:39.59 | canllaith | It's possible the packagers decided ssl support was 'optional' |
| 23:40.09 | canllaith | apokryphos: I've switched to Kubuntu on my laptop for the amazingly gorgeous power management |
| 23:40.12 | Alver | canllaith: it's not even *suggested* in the package description |
| 23:40.25 | apokryphos | heh |
| 23:40.30 | canllaith | My laptop is ... qaudruble booting or something insane like that |
| 23:40.36 | canllaith | SuSE/Slack/Win2k/WinXP |
| 23:40.48 | apokryphos | SuSE/Kubuntu only here 8) |
| 23:41.21 | apokryphos | I always found SuSE better on the laptops I installed it on, however |
| 23:41.31 | canllaith | Kubuntu I got suspend-to-ram working |
| 23:41.36 | canllaith | It's luvelly |
| 23:41.40 | feindbild | slackware/netbsd =P |
| 23:41.44 | apokryphos | nice features like better at auto-detecting the mouse-scrollers and better with powersaved |
| 23:41.49 | apokryphos | cool |
| 23:41.57 | canllaith | and I can apt-get gnome shit I need for work without hassle |
| 23:42.21 | canllaith | Alver: One of those in my house too. |
| 23:42.30 | canllaith | I'll bid you the sunblade 100 I'm using as a bedside table |
| 23:42.37 | Alver | canllaith: heh |
| 23:42.53 | Alver | I'd add my 8086 if I weren't so protective of it |
| 23:42.53 | canllaith | Or rather the boy is, it's on his side of the bed |
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| 23:44.16 | apokryphos | surprisingly, very nice |
| 23:44.22 | canllaith | I should, like, work. Or something. |
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| 23:44.36 | canllaith | Not KMail's fault if the people buliding it are silly |
| 23:44.51 | Alver | canllaith: is there a way to check what libraries it was built against? |
| 23:44.53 | feindbild | heh ... my 8 bit nirvana -> C64/C128/CPC464/CPC6128 ... bids please |
| 23:44.57 | canllaith | ldd `which kmail` |
| 23:45.03 | Alver | mmm. |
| 23:45.13 | canllaith | That will tell you what it's currently linking against, and it may obviously show a missing sasl library |
| 23:46.19 | canllaith | :) |
| 23:46.25 | canllaith | I'm afraid I'm all gnomey this month |
| 23:46.27 | apokryphos | canllaith: how many tens of emails did you get about your suse review? :P |
| 23:46.31 | Alver | Are they visible when missing or should I check every line it gives for existing libs? |
| 23:46.33 | canllaith | Only one. |
| 23:46.52 | apokryphos | ohh |
| 23:47.01 | canllaith | That SuSE review was funny. Someone else was supposed to have written it but didn't deliver, so I got a 'Can you write it please? I need it yesterday' email |
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| 23:47.36 | canllaith | Might as well put distcc on it |
| 23:47.53 | apokryphos | heh, interesting |
| 23:48.06 | apokryphos | I found it odd that Ubuntu and SUSE got the same install rating or something |
| 23:48.12 | Alver | canllaith: there is nothing cyrus and/or sasl related in that ldd output |
| 23:48.21 | apokryphos | Ubuntu is nice, but SuSE's installer trumps over it, really. |
| 23:48.22 | Alver | Can anyone confirm there should be? |
| 23:48.44 | Zaze4 | i like mandriva's installer better than SuSE's |
| 23:48.49 | apokryphos | still, review did make me want to check out Mandriva again. Might do in the summer |
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| 23:49.01 | apokryphos | Zaze4: on Mandriva now? How is it these days? |
| 23:49.09 | apokryphos | last time I tried it...... it was Mandrake ;-) |
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| 23:49.55 | canllaith | yeah I like the SuSe installer, but there is nothing like a debian for getting an email telling me I need to write about bluefish and then having bluefish installed in 20 seconds flat |
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| 23:50.06 | canllaith | apokryphos: I wrote a glowing recommendation for Kubuntu that will be on newsforge tomorrow |
| 23:50.29 | frb-work | is it possible to have one transparent panel, and one non-transparent panel? |
| 23:51.22 | apokryphos | canllaith: I use smart here now on suse which is very pacey (Shuttleworth talked of Ubuntu even possibly migrating to it; would be quite controversial, but smart is very nice; well, as is apt) |
| 23:52.13 | canllaith | What's smart ? |
| 23:52.15 | apokryphos | canllaith: I like Kubuntu a lot and used it for longer than any other distro so far. APT is great, and package updates are good (as are the repositories), but I've just found suse to have that extra polish and for getting new users into Linux I've found it great |
| 23:52.40 | apokryphos | http://labix.org/smart -- Smart Package Manager |
| 23:53.22 | canllaith | SuSe is great. Slackware is great. ubuntu is great |
| 23:53.24 | canllaith | I mean, they're all linux |
| 23:53.25 | apokryphos | debian based systems have the paciest cli package installers, but yast's GUI installer (well, yast altogether) is much more intuitive/powerful than synaptic/adept |
| 23:53.35 | canllaith | Yes but it's not about the application |
| 23:53.45 | canllaith | I frankly couldn't give a fuck if everything was cli, really |
| 23:54.00 | apokryphos | sure, I prefer CLI too for many things |
| 23:54.00 | canllaith | Ubuntu has bigger, more up to date repositories |
| 23:54.22 | apokryphos | bigger repositories, but tbh I've almost never had package problems in suse |
| 23:54.25 | canllaith | I don't care if they're RPM or Deb or APT or smart or whatever. |
| 23:54.32 | apokryphos | dependency hell on rpm-based systems is more a case of the past, as far as I can see |
| 23:54.42 | canllaith | Well, I compiled my own KDE and Gnome in SuSE because getting the latest stuff as quickly as I needed it just didn't happen. |
| 23:55.07 | canllaith | It's a great system but I can't give up apt-get build-dep in particular |
| 23:55.12 | apokryphos | they come out pretty mcuh instantly |
| 23:55.25 | apokryphos | in almost every dot announcement it'll say "packages are available for suse and kubuntu" |
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| 23:55.42 | apokryphos | build-dep is great, indeed. I put in a feature suggestion on suse's bugzilla for that :P |
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| 23:55.59 | apokryphos | also, suse is a lot better than debian-based systems for amd64s |
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| 23:56.04 | apokryphos | (by quite some way) |
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| 23:56.54 | apokryphos | debian-based systems just ignore the option of allowing 64-bit installations to execute 32-bit apps/libraries, while they can perfectly. That's a big problem in the package management :P |
| 23:57.05 | apokryphos | you get forced into a chroot if you want any 32-bit installs |
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