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| 00:05.51 | FreshPrince | pinotree, noone can help me.. well noone answer my question on #gentoo #gentoo-kde #gentoo-desktop .) |
| 00:05.52 | FreshPrince | :) |
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| 00:06.15 | pinotree | eh... bad channel here for such a distro question |
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| 00:06.47 | FreshPrince | :( |
| 00:06.49 | FreshPrince | ^^ |
| 00:06.58 | FreshPrince | welll i understand .. your rught |
| 00:07.00 | FreshPrince | *right |
| 00:07.59 | frb-work | FreshPrince: the obvious answer would be to switch to a distro with proper irc support |
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| 00:09.16 | qupada | what's the problem FreshPrince? |
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| 00:30.48 | Woosta | Anyone suggest the best KDE postcast downloader? |
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| 00:37.28 | [1]pjo | Hello I have big problems in SUSE resue mode. I tried #SUSE and #sl-support but no luck. Which channel shall I try ? |
| 00:39.00 | Q-collective | Woosta: postcast? you mean podcast? |
| 00:39.16 | Woosta | LOL yeah :) |
| 00:39.17 | Q-collective | I thought amarok was able to handle those these days |
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| 00:39.35 | Q-collective | :) |
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| 00:49.35 | csmanx | hello |
| 00:49.44 | csmanx | what is the app that deals with keyboard layouts ? |
| 00:49.57 | csmanx | i need us/fr/es/jp |
| 00:50.17 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 00:50.39 | Q-collective | karbon should get an import function to convert bitmap pics to svg's :> |
| 00:50.52 | Q-collective | not that I mind using imagemagick, but hey :) |
| 00:52.00 | frb-work | csmanx: skim |
| 00:52.19 | kronoz | csmanx, the one that shows a flag in the system tray? |
| 00:52.32 | Woosta | Grrr .. amarok .. My mp3 archive is on the server at home .. I'm at the office and so amarok has all locked up coz it can't find the mount where all the data normally sits |
| 00:53.06 | frb-work | <laugh style="nelson" point="Woosta"> HA HA </nelson> |
| 00:53.17 | Woosta | :-P |
| 00:53.23 | Renze | shouldn't that be </laugh> ? |
| 00:53.25 | Woosta | What you doin' here? |
| 00:53.28 | frb-work | of course |
| 00:53.37 | frb-work | Woosta: not getting help as always |
| 00:53.40 | Woosta | LOL |
| 00:53.41 | Renze | failed xml test |
| 00:54.10 | frb-work | oh wait, this is #kde, they are helpful |
| 00:54.20 | frb-work | it's right next to #javascript, which seems to ignore me |
| 00:54.35 | Woosta | Awww c'mon now .. |
| 00:54.41 | Renze | that's what I need... caffeine |
| 00:54.57 | kronoz | and on the far unhelpful side is #debian :-) |
| 00:56.53 | csmanx | kronoz: that one |
| 00:57.27 | kronoz | csmanx, yes i know it is useful but i dunno what it is :( |
| 00:57.41 | csmanx | i'll install it |
| 00:58.24 | thechris | anyone here use svn? i tried #svn, but its dead |
| 00:59.06 | Q-collective | ?? ask |
| 00:59.07 | DDB | q-collective: ask: Just ask your question. Do not ask to ask. If somebody is around and knows the answer, they will answer. We can't tell you if we can help until you ask. Be patient, some of us do actually do things besides IRC. |
| 00:59.12 | Q-collective | thechris: ^ |
| 00:59.14 | Q-collective | :) |
| 01:00.13 | thechris | (offtopic, svn) i have imported "test" into my svn repo. it shows up in svn list. but i cannot find it anywhere on the disk. |
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| 01:01.46 | thechris | (offtopic, svn) further, i am trying to get apache2 support for SVN. the SSL authentication works, but it cannot access the svn_fs. the guide tells me to change permissions for "test", but i can't find it. |
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| 01:02.58 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! |
| 01:04.58 | Zero_Kelvin | Well, I'm sort of getting closer to figuring out my font problem. I've just been using the KCharSelect to see what fonts I have installed are "there" but not displaying in KDE apps (display in Firefox after a scroll-down/scroll-up or if I select them), and I'm not sure if this is right or not but they all seem to be those PCF or bit something fonts, you know, the format _other_ than Truetype. Any ideas? |
| 01:05.32 | Woosta | Ooh .. amarok is doing podcasts very nicely .. Mmm I love well made open source |
| 01:06.03 | Zero_Kelvin | Now before anyone chastises me and says this is my own fault for installing xorg-server 1.1.0, this problem was here before then. I haven't had any new problems since upgrading to X 7.1. |
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| 01:11.13 | Zero_Kelvin | I'm working on the assumption that a part of my font system is broken after a hard shutdown I had to do a while ago after my PC locked up while running the OpenGL screen-saver (that thing has never liked my computer). After that power off, wait, power on, I noticed that certain fonts that are installed are sort of there, but not displaying. What's really annoying is that if I go to fonts:/System with Konqueror, right-click on one of the fonts that isn't displ |
| 01:11.13 | Zero_Kelvin | ct, click on Preview in KFontView, _the_font_is_there_, clear and visible. :/ |
| 01:11.21 | Haully | i got the following error while starting kde 3.5.3: Writiing to the temp directory (/tmp) failed with the error 'Input/output error' Could not start ksmserver check your installation any clues? |
| 01:12.43 | Renze | Haully: check the permissions of your /tmp directory |
| 01:13.21 | Haully | drwxrwxrwt |
| 01:13.33 | Renze | that's correct |
| 01:14.04 | Haully | hm this error started when i tryied update my kde, i updated only kdelibs,base, and the other required packages |
| 01:14.15 | Renze | how about the permissions of /tmp/kde-<username> ? |
| 01:14.33 | Renze | and ownership of same |
| 01:14.35 | Haully | drwx-------- |
| 01:15.15 | Haully | user -users |
| 01:15.26 | Renze | hmmm... |
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| 01:16.17 | Haully | btw before i try to update kde i was getting errors while trying to enter kde |
| 01:16.36 | frb-work | To get the Windows Aero™ user interface, you will need a graphics adapter that either has 128MB of dedicated Video RAM or uses shared memory. Your current graphics adapter has 64.00 MB of dedicated memory. |
| 01:16.38 | Haully | in login screen i putted user/pass and it went back to login screen again |
| 01:16.44 | Renze | I don't suppose you remember any of those errors? |
| 01:17.17 | Haully | i think it was something related to startupconfig but i dont know how to solve it |
| 01:17.47 | Renze | sorry, but that's too vague to even start on trying to figure out |
| 01:17.55 | Haully | :/ |
| 01:18.04 | Mitja | What's the postfix for konqueror to open a new tab? |
| 01:19.10 | Zero_Kelvin | The fonts that are giving me grief are Charter, Courier [Adobe], Fixed [Misc], Fixed [ETL], Fixed [gnu], Helvetica, Lucida, LucidaBright, LucidaTypewriter, New Century Schoolbook, Terminal [Bitstream], Terminal [DEC], Terminus, Times, Utopia. All these fonts are Postscript Type 1 and PCF Bitmaps. Hmmm, I'll ask in Gentoo to find where the packages are for those sub-systems and try re-installing them. |
| 01:20.30 | Haully | Renze: maybe something is screwed on my startup config, wanna me paste it for u? |
| 01:21.24 | Renze | what do you mean by startup config? |
| 01:21.37 | Haully | kde script in /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 01:21.56 | Renze | startkde? have you altered it? |
| 01:22.10 | Haully | no i didnt altered but maybe i did by mistake :s |
| 01:22.25 | Renze | have you ever edited that file as root? |
| 01:22.30 | Haully | no |
| 01:22.36 | Renze | then it is not altered |
| 01:22.52 | Haully | ok, i think the problem started when i pressed alt ctrl f11 or something like that for new session |
| 01:22.55 | Haully | and my pc froze |
| 01:22.57 | Renze | it's not a place that any "config" is stored. all your configs are in ~/.kde/ |
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| 01:24.17 | Renze | Haully: as a test, try this: 'mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak' as user, and then try to login to KDE. It will revert back to default look, but then we will know if the problem is system wide or user. |
| 01:24.41 | Haully | ok thx, i will reboot so, brb |
| 01:24.53 | Renze | reboot? in linux? |
| 01:24.55 | Renze | why? |
| 01:25.01 | Haully | restart* |
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| 01:27.55 | Haully | Renze: still the same problem in login, it goes back to login screen again |
| 01:28.24 | Renze | ok |
| 01:28.43 | Renze | Haully: mv ~/.kde.bak ~/.kde |
| 01:28.50 | Haully | k |
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| 01:29.49 | Haully | did it |
| 01:30.04 | Renze | Haully: try deleting /tmp/kde-<username> and try again |
| 01:31.51 | Haully | ok did it ,restarting |
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| 01:32.46 | Haully | Renze: same problem :/ |
| 01:33.04 | Renze | hmmm... |
| 01:34.16 | Renze | ok, try deleting /var/tmp/kdecache-<username>/ksycoca |
| 01:34.41 | Haully | ok.brb |
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| 01:35.40 | Haully | Renze: same :/ |
| 01:35.52 | Renze | well, that was the last thing I could think of... |
| 01:36.00 | Haully | :p |
| 01:36.31 | Zero_Kelvin | BRB, AFK |
| 01:37.53 | Haully | anyway thx Renze for trying help me :) |
| 01:38.50 | Renze | ok, sorry I couldn't figure it out |
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| 01:49.43 | unity | is it just me or is kopete 0.11.1 extremely buggy? |
| 01:50.28 | unity | freezes sometimes, otherwise it crashes |
| 01:50.45 | unity | and also shows a lot of wrong information when i am connected to multiple aim accounts |
| 01:51.57 | Renze | kopete 0.12 seems much more stable than 0.11.x |
| 01:53.55 | unity | or it may be kwin, because kwrite also crashes a lot |
| 01:54.09 | unity | and those two, kopete, and kwrite, are the only ones i have set special windows settings for |
| 01:54.26 | Renze | I have lots of special window settings... no crashes here |
| 01:54.57 | unity | Renze: 3.5.2? |
| 01:55.10 | Renze | 3.5.3 |
| 01:55.21 | Renze | but 3.5.2 was stable too |
| 01:55.58 | unity | hmm...it's unfortunate because i was very eager to try out this new kde 3.5.2, i even switched distros for it, and i didn't except to be buggier |
| 01:56.20 | unity | maybe because i cecompiled my kernel a few times AFTER compiling kde? could that be it? |
| 01:56.31 | Renze | no |
| 01:57.02 | Renze | 3.5.2 was solid as a rock for me, as is 3.5.3 |
| 01:57.22 | unity | maybe i just messed up in compilation |
| 01:57.58 | Renze | I let gentoo compile mine for me |
| 01:57.59 | unity | here are my USE flags: USE="+arts +kdeenablefinal -debug -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" |
| 01:58.10 | unity | i used gentoo too |
| 01:58.26 | unity | does anything look wrong with those? those are the ones that most of my kde was built with |
| 01:58.39 | Renze | USE="-arts +kdeenablefinal -debug -kdehiddenvisibility +xinerama" |
| 01:58.43 | Renze | those are mine |
| 01:59.22 | unity | if i compile without arts, then the sound gets sent straight to alsa? |
| 01:59.43 | Renze | yes, but some things stop, like video thumbnails and audio preview |
| 01:59.53 | Renze | and you have to set an external player for notification sounds |
| 02:00.29 | Renze | but it stops that crashy piece of dinosaur shit artsd from being a pain in the ass |
| 02:00.47 | unity | in the past, i've realized that mplayer doesn't play any sound while arts is running, even with audio output sent to arts |
| 02:01.04 | Renze | my soundcard mixes in hardware, so I don't need arts |
| 02:01.12 | unity | there was a new sound system planned for kde4, right? |
| 02:01.27 | Renze | KDE4 will have Phonon: http://phonon.kde.org |
| 02:02.17 | Zero_Kelvin | Might be back, may just go and do something interesting. Cya's later. |
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| 02:02.22 | unity | i don't understand why kde needs a sound system, is there a good reason it can't just use arts as an audio backend, like xmms and mplayer do? |
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| 02:02.37 | unity | umm...i mean alsa |
| 02:02.49 | Renze | it's legacy stuff that needs to be excised |
| 02:02.58 | Q-collective | unity: read what phonon will do |
| 02:03.16 | Renze | yes, read what phonon is |
| 02:03.17 | Q-collective | it's just a frontend to alsa, xine, gstreamer, whatever |
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| 02:04.01 | Renze | it's a single API for whatever backend the user wants to use |
| 02:04.20 | unity | well i don't know everything so i'll just trust that KDE4 is in good hands |
| 02:04.34 | Q-collective | it is |
| 02:04.35 | Q-collective | :) |
| 02:04.46 | unity | yours? |
| 02:05.01 | Q-collective | no, then it would be doomed ^_^ |
| 02:05.16 | unity | lol |
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| 02:05.26 | `Belial | i upgraded from kde 3.4.x to 3.5.x and now it's telling me kstartupconfig doesn't exist when i startx |
| 02:05.31 | `Belial | using slackware |
| 02:05.41 | `Belial | anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 02:06.21 | Renze | `Belial: type 'which kstartupconfig' |
| 02:06.30 | unity | `Belial: if you are willing to overwrite your .xinitrc: echo "startkde" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 02:06.41 | unity | `Belial: and then xinit from console perhaps |
| 02:06.53 | Renze | it is simply a path problem |
| 02:06.57 | `Belial | joe@GTA:~$ which kstartupconfig |
| 02:06.58 | `Belial | which: no kstartupconfig in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/opt/www/htdig/bin:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin:/opt/kde/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:.) |
| 02:07.13 | Renze | `Belial: do you have slocate installed? |
| 02:07.17 | `Belial | yes |
| 02:07.21 | unity | find / -name "kstartupconfig" |
| 02:07.29 | Renze | `Belial: locate kstartupconfig |
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| 02:07.56 | `Belial | Renze: that didn't do anything |
| 02:08.05 | unity | Renze: we do not know if he has an up-to-date locatedb |
| 02:08.13 | Renze | `Belial: updatedb and try again |
| 02:08.24 | Renze | updatedb as root |
| 02:08.50 | `Belial | ok |
| 02:09.16 | Renze | if the program is missing, you'll have to ask the slackware packager |
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| 02:09.43 | `Belial | updatedb is running now. what after that? |
| 02:10.04 | Renze | locate kstartupconfig |
| 02:10.25 | `Belial | root@GTA:/home/joe# locate kstartupconfig |
| 02:10.25 | `Belial | root@GTA:/home/joe# |
| 02:10.45 | Renze | ok, you need to talk to the guy who packages kde for slackware |
| 02:10.52 | `Belial | ah ok |
| 02:10.55 | `Belial | well another thing |
| 02:11.01 | `Belial | i installed xfce |
| 02:11.04 | `Belial | that won't work either |
| 02:11.11 | Renze | #xfce :) |
| 02:11.26 | Renze | we don't do tech support for other DEs :) |
| 02:11.38 | Q-collective | well |
| 02:11.40 | Q-collective | pay us |
| 02:11.42 | Q-collective | (: |
| 02:11.49 | `Belial | well, i didn't mean that |
| 02:11.49 | Renze | oh yeah... we will for money :) |
| 02:11.57 | `Belial | i meant i think it's a bigger problem |
| 02:12.17 | Renze | kstartupconfig being missing won't change xfce's behaviour |
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| 02:12.47 | `Belial | right, i think something was changed with xorg itself. |
| 02:12.51 | `Belial | when i did the upgrade |
| 02:13.32 | DaSkreech | Stephan Kulow is coolo? |
| 02:14.06 | unity | sushi!! |
| 02:14.46 | Renze | I can't make sushi, I don't have any seaweed or sticky rice or raw fish, etc etc |
| 02:15.27 | Jejem | does anybody knows where vitrual desktops informations are stored? ... |
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| 02:30.36 | lnxKDE | I completed the svn download of KDE 4 |
| 02:31.18 | lnxKDE | but I need to download QT 4 and dbus I just can install from source? |
| 02:32.10 | DaSkreech | lnxKDE: How goes it? |
| 02:32.35 | lnxKDE | I finished the KDE 4 download but I need to get QT 4 |
| 02:32.51 | lnxKDE | I am reading that in KDE directory must be something like qt-copy |
| 02:32.56 | lnxKDE | but it does not |
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| 02:36.56 | lnxKDE | ok now I am downloading latest QT :D |
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| 02:40.26 | fuel | hi my applications are not getting minised to my default task bar........ |
| 02:40.46 | fuel | instead they get minimised to the external task bar |
| 02:40.54 | fuel | how do i rectify it? |
| 02:41.07 | Renze | only one taskbar will ever be used, and it will be the last one started |
| 02:41.31 | fuel | no i added an external taskbar....... |
| 02:41.45 | Renze | yes, and that will be used instead of the default task bar |
| 02:41.54 | Renze | because it was started last |
| 02:41.57 | fuel | yeah how do i rectify it? |
| 02:42.05 | Renze | get rid of the external task bar |
| 02:42.08 | aseigo | taskbar or systray? |
| 02:42.41 | lnxKDE | aseigo : I just downloaded latest realese of dbus and I am downloading QT 4 |
| 02:42.42 | fuel | the taskbar...(the bottom bar where applications are represented) |
| 02:42.42 | aseigo | what Renze says is true of the systray indeed, but not the taskbar... i'm confused as to what's being discussed =) |
| 02:42.54 | aseigo | lnxKDE: where are you getting Qt4 from? |
| 02:43.03 | lnxKDE | kde svn |
| 02:43.09 | aseigo | lnxKDE: perfect =) |
| 02:43.13 | lnxKDE | :) |
| 02:43.19 | Renze | aseigo: he has two taskbars... the applet on the original panel, and the external taskbar |
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| 02:43.38 | aseigo | Renze: that's fine. you can have as many taskbars as you want actually =) |
| 02:43.40 | lnxKDE | aseigo u using KDE 4 right now? |
| 02:43.50 | aseigo | lnxKDE: right at this very moment in in 3.5.x |
| 02:43.52 | Renze | aseigo: yes, but which taskbar will the app be minimised to? |
| 02:44.00 | aseigo | Renze: both |
| 02:44.04 | aseigo | Renze: each taskbar will show all apps |
| 02:44.12 | lnxKDE | aseigo ok I just wanted a screen ;) |
| 02:44.14 | aseigo | Renze: the systray is a different matter indeed |
| 02:44.17 | Renze | ah ok... so he has removed the applet from the original panel |
| 02:44.17 | fuel | no aseigo..... |
| 02:44.28 | fuel | it gets minimised to the external taskbar |
| 02:44.42 | fuel | and i removed it my right clicking on the taskbar and remove option! |
| 02:44.58 | fuel | however the main taskbar remains unused :( |
| 02:45.00 | aseigo | fuel: very good. so you removed one of the taskbars. |
| 02:45.06 | Renze | fuel: did you remove the applet or the panel? |
| 02:45.20 | aseigo | fuel: i think you are confused between applets and panels and taskbars here |
| 02:45.28 | fuel | "remove panel" |
| 02:45.31 | aseigo | fuel: the taskbar in kde is just an applet (or a panel if you load it externally) |
| 02:45.55 | aseigo | fuel: can i get a screenshot of your desktop, including the panels, pls? |
| 02:45.59 | fuel | right click on the task bar and say "add to panel"--->"external taskbar" |
| 02:46.29 | fuel | one second |
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| 02:47.46 | fuel | where do i post it? |
| 02:47.55 | Renze | imageshack.us |
| 02:47.59 | fuel | ok ok |
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| 03:03.37 | lnxKDE | aseigo : sould I install first QT 4 or dbus ? |
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| 03:04.28 | lnxKDE | aseigo : also u have a tutorial or u can help me not to overwrite my KDE 3.5.3 install? |
| 03:06.19 | fuel | http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot37ro.png |
| 03:06.26 | fuel | hi sorry i got disconnected.... |
| 03:06.34 | fuel | here is a screen shot of my desktop |
| 03:06.51 | fuel | help me how to move the window list to my original task bar |
| 03:07.53 | Renze | fuel: right click on your panel, select Add Applet to Panel. Add the Taskbar Applet. Then right click on your panel and select Remove Panel -> External Taskbar |
| 03:08.13 | DaSkreech | lnxKDE: I think that it currently looks exactly like KDE 3.5 |
| 03:08.28 | fuel | excellent! |
| 03:08.29 | lnxKDE | yes? |
| 03:08.33 | fuel | thank you |
| 03:08.37 | Renze | no problem |
| 03:09.04 | lnxKDE | DaSKreech : I see that is good :) |
| 03:09.34 | lnxKDE | I hope to be able to move with the svn at lest updating once a week |
| 03:10.04 | DaSkreech | lnxKDE: Please have a blog :) |
| 03:10.10 | DaSkreech | I wanna follow as well :) |
| 03:10.19 | lnxKDE | good Idea :) |
| 03:10.51 | fuel | i find linux loadin lots of applications which i dont want...... |
| 03:10.58 | fuel | how do i remove it ? |
| 03:11.06 | fuel | like on boot up say mail server |
| 03:11.27 | Renze | fuel: for that you need to ask in your distro's channel |
| 03:11.37 | fuel | okie ;) |
| 03:12.21 | lnxKDE | DaSKreech : u dont use kde svn? |
| 03:12.51 | aseigo | lnxKDE: the kde wiki goes through all that i believe. ... essentially you want to pass -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/some/path to cmake |
| 03:13.19 | lnxKDE | ok |
| 03:14.22 | lnxKDE | well nevermind I have 2 Kubuntu installs |
| 03:14.41 | lnxKDE | a 32 bit and a 64 bit going to test on the 32 bit |
| 03:14.42 | lnxKDE | :) |
| 03:15.29 | lnxKDE | DaSKreech : u know of a good free blog website? |
| 03:15.39 | aseigo | lnxKDE: blogger.com ? |
| 03:16.02 | DaSkreech | blogspot.com |
| 03:16.04 | lnxKDE | nice |
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| 03:19.48 | DaSkreech | does this chan have a bot? |
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| 03:30.37 | DaSkreech | @seen callanith |
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| 03:31.58 | Jejem | §seen callanith |
| 03:31.58 | Jejem | xD |
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| 05:41.03 | frb | libpng error: Invalid image width |
| 05:41.12 | frb | I have a lot of that in my .xsession-errors |
| 05:41.20 | frb | and I have no icons |
| 05:41.49 | frb | I can click where the kmenu should be, and get a kmenu, but the icon aint there |
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| 05:45.05 | frb | I'm going to go logout and kill my caches |
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| 05:56.05 | yshabanov | hello |
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| 05:59.51 | lnxKDE | hi |
| 05:59.59 | frb | ok, I fixed my no-inons problem |
| 06:00.02 | frb | err icons |
| 06:00.11 | frb | if you hear about it again, tell the user to reinstall qt3 |
| 06:01.43 | _yshabanov | Im new to Suse or Linux |
| 06:01.53 | _yshabanov | were do I go to start searching for awnsers |
| 06:02.15 | Renze | _yshabanov: #suse might be a good place |
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| 06:02.37 | _yshabanov | thank you |
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| 06:08.11 | peppelorum | Can I force Konqueror to reload konqueror.rc somehow? My alterations doesn't get loaded right now |
| 06:08.23 | Desintegr | close Konqueror :) |
| 06:08.44 | Desintegr | then restart it |
| 06:09.51 | peppelorum | It doesn't reload when I restart |
| 06:09.53 | Renze | if you're preloading, you might have to 'killall konqueror' to get the preload out of memory |
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| 06:14.34 | peppelorum | Odd, is there any more file that handles Konqueror menus? Cause when I move a menu item it still appears in the originalplace, but some the the subitems appears to have moved, http://peppesbodega.nu/files/Dump/KonqMenu.png |
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| 06:14.45 | peppelorum | Renze: thanks for the tips |
| 06:14.53 | Renze | no problem :) |
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| 06:15.25 | peppelorum | I'm trying to clean up in konquerors menu system that are too crowded to work properly |
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| 07:19.51 | lnxKDE | http://lnxkde.blogspot.com/ |
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| 09:26.29 | firepol | hi, where should I define the default browser (firefox)? My links keep being opened with konqueror... nice browser but I'd like to be opened with firefox instead. Thanks for helping |
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| 09:30.12 | Ardonik | firepol: probably by setting $BROWSER in your .bashrc, but not all apps respect that. |
| 09:30.36 | Hoki_Workin | in KDE Control center |
| 09:30.50 | fsu | firepol: kcontrol->kde components->component chooser |
| 09:31.56 | firepol | fsu: i configured "firefox" there. but openoffice keeps opening links in konqueror... |
| 09:32.13 | firepol | fsu: maybe "firefox" is not enough and i should put the exact path ? |
| 09:32.46 | fsu | hmh. maby changing fileassociations. don't know sure, is it necessary.. |
| 09:32.56 | pinotree | firepol: openoffice is not a kde application |
| 09:33.10 | pinotree | firepol: have you checked in openoffice's configuration? |
| 09:33.16 | firepol | i will try to add the $BROWSER variable in my .bashrc |
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| 09:33.54 | firepol | is this syntax correct? ... $BROWSER=/usr/bin/firefox |
| 09:33.59 | Ardonik | No. |
| 09:34.08 | fsu | take $ away |
| 09:34.12 | Ardonik | export BROWSER=blah |
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| 09:36.50 | firepol | thanks Ardonik |
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| 09:55.06 | bartden | hi, does kde have a nice dvd ripper |
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| 10:02.24 | johnny69 | Good morning room: I'm trying to figure out how to change the COLOR of the font under the icons on the desktop. I can change the font itself for the desktop icons...but not the COLOR of the font. I would imgine under the control panel...but I don't see it anywhere. Anyone know? |
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| 10:02.40 | johnny69 | (Kde 3.5.3/Suse 10.0) |
| 10:02.54 | jme__ | q. is there a 'fuse to kio' stuff ? |
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| 10:05.05 | chavo | johnny69, configure desktop -> click the adcanced options button |
| 10:06.01 | fsu | jme__: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KIO+Fuse+Gateway |
| 10:07.03 | johnny69 | chavo: Ok, will look there...thanks. |
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| 10:07.38 | jme__ | fsu: thanks |
| 10:07.42 | fsu | np |
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| 10:25.18 | Egyptian[Work] | hi .. how do i tell kmix to use a different sound card? |
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| 10:29.34 | wave | Egyptian[Work]: restart it, if the soundcard is plugged kmix will know it |
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| 10:31.07 | Egyptian[Work] | wave: it see the intel hda but not the realtek alc270 that is the chip |
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| 10:33.13 | yoruichi | Egyptian[Work]: you got two soundcards? |
| 10:33.30 | wave | execute cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 10:34.29 | wave | despite having switched of proxy use at yast it still tries to use the proxy. why? |
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| 10:35.37 | stalker___ | stupid question: what is a name of a program that replaces panel, when you move mouse over icons they grow larger |
| 10:35.49 | stalker___ | if you know what i mean |
| 10:36.04 | pinotree | kxdocker ? |
| 10:36.40 | stalker___ | yes, that's it:) |
| 10:36.41 | USmarine | its kxdocker |
| 10:36.43 | stalker___ | thanks! |
| 10:37.11 | USmarine | install kwin-bangira too |
| 10:37.29 | kronoz | how do you add a keyboard shortcut in kcontrol (suse10.1) |
| 10:37.32 | kronoz | ? |
| 10:38.25 | USmarine | in keyboard shortcuts |
| 10:39.10 | Egyptian[Work] | yoruichi: no.. the card is a built in intel hda with realtek's alc270 chip .. aparently lots of ppl have had this problem .. no sound |
| 10:40.23 | kronoz | USmarine, yeah I know that... but there no, 'new shortcut' button or anything |
| 10:40.39 | kronoz | USmarine, it's kinda stupid but i can't figure it out :( |
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| 10:42.43 | USmarine | what is it for? |
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| 10:43.41 | pinotree | kronoz: you can change the shortcuts for existing actions only |
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| 10:44.18 | kronoz | i'm trying to a key binding from alt+ctrl+enter to run kpm |
| 10:44.27 | USmarine | use kmenu |
| 10:44.39 | USmarine | add kpm to the menu |
| 10:44.42 | USmarine | edit the item |
| 10:44.50 | USmarine | and add short+cut |
| 10:44.57 | USmarine | shortcut |
| 10:45.46 | yoruichi | Egyptian[Work]: does alsamixer recognize the sc? |
| 10:45.50 | kronoz | ah, it is already mapped to ctrl+esc, duh |
| 10:45.58 | kronoz | thanks for the help anyway |
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| 10:52.29 | Egyptian[Work] | : recognises correctly bothyes |
| 10:52.29 | Egyptian[Work] | yoruichi |
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| 11:33.14 | TomasuDlrrp | is this page mostly blank for anyone else http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/04/10/16/0239251.shtml?tid=89 in konqueror? |
| 11:33.20 | TomasuDlrrp | I hace 3.5.3 |
| 11:33.22 | TomasuDlrrp | *have |
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| 11:35.46 | chavo | TomasuDlrrp, that page looks fine to me |
| 11:36.11 | TomasuDlrrp | for some reason my konqi is only displaying the text at the top, and the "New to linux?" text... |
| 11:36.38 | TomasuDlrrp | and it gets a js error: Error: http://a.as-us.falkag.net/dat/njf/104/linux.com/enterprise_p1_top_leaderboard.js: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: Ads_vbCV |
| 11:36.54 | mobtek | TomasuDlrrp: I get it too |
| 11:37.08 | mobtek | that and a few other sites |
| 11:37.10 | TomasuDlrrp | hmm |
| 11:37.11 | mobtek | youtube especially |
| 11:37.19 | mobtek | TomasuDlrrp: bugs.kde.org |
| 11:37.49 | chavo | that's strange, it loads fine here and no problems on youtube either |
| 11:37.56 | TomasuDlrrp | is it a bug you think? or my setup (gcc 4.1, etc) ? as I know someone in another channel with the same kde that doesnt get it |
| 11:39.05 | TomasuDlrrp | mobtek: youtube will at least work occasionally.. |
| 11:39.48 | TomasuDlrrp | whats new in 3.5.3-r1? |
| 11:40.03 | TomasuDlrrp | wait.. thats probably a gentoo release |
| 11:41.26 | mobtek | TomasuDlrrp: yeah if you hit reload enough |
| 11:41.36 | TomasuDlrrp | ya |
| 11:41.50 | TomasuDlrrp | and a combination of F5 and reload... |
| 11:43.03 | TomasuDlrrp | I hate bugzilla... |
| 11:45.27 | mobtek | goddamn firefox is a leaking pos |
| 11:45.41 | mobtek | it just chewed 300mb of swap kekek |
| 11:45.49 | TomasuDlrrp | which is why I switched back to konqi a few months ago.. |
| 11:46.09 | TomasuDlrrp | though it seems to be buggy with javascript.. |
| 11:46.42 | mobtek | it wasn't with 3.5.2 |
| 11:47.49 | TomasuDlrrp | Im not saying crash buggy, but there seems to be issues with event handling and some other things... |
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| 11:50.25 | TomasuDlrrp | night |
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| 12:15.36 | assaf | is there a channel for k3b questions ? |
| 12:16.15 | qupada | #k3b seems dead, so here is probably a good place to start |
| 12:18.05 | assaf | ok , here is my problem , i'm using k3b 0.12.15 and when i make a data DVD , i can read it well in my linux machine or my DVD but not on any M$ machines with DVD , |
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| 12:18.39 | RawSewage | anyone know of an app that makes image DVDs for playing on standard TV DVD players |
| 12:18.49 | RawSewage | to view images |
| 12:18.55 | assaf | it started with 0.12.13 - which had a reported bug about it , but no upgrade fixed my problem |
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| 12:22.26 | qupada | assaf: filesystems |
| 12:22.41 | qupada | there are 3 options, rock ridge, joliet and udf |
| 12:22.52 | qupada | you probably just need to enable one or both of the latter two |
| 12:24.35 | Bck14 | does anyone know if theres a way when you move your mouse to a corner all the windows seperate like on an apple-mac |
| 12:24.42 | qupada | Bck14: kompose |
| 12:24.46 | assaf | i tried that but still didn't work |
| 12:24.56 | Bck14 | qupada: works the same? |
| 12:25.22 | qupada | Bck14: close enough |
| 12:25.41 | qupada | kompose caters for more than one virtual desktop, but more or less the same principle |
| 12:26.18 | Bck14 | ok |
| 12:26.21 | Bck14 | ty |
| 12:26.26 | Bck14 | ill look into it |
| 12:26.50 | qupada | assaf: damn, that would be about the only thing that could cause that problem. there is i believe some sort of driver for windows that straightens things out when reading rock ridge cds, could try that. (note i have no idea what it is called, only that it exists) |
| 12:28.17 | assaf | i just checked again - i have all 3 file systems marked - could that cause a conflict ? |
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| 12:28.51 | qupada | well you don't *need* udf, but it shouldn't hurt |
| 12:29.44 | qupada | joliet should be the one that makes or breaks it on windows |
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| 12:30.43 | assaf | ok , i'll give it a try now |
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| 12:33.49 | znoG | hi all. does anyone know if it's possible to disable all keybindings for a particular window only? |
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| 13:46.06 | Mirrakor | is it usefull to install 3D accelation, without wanting to play games (so does it speed up the normal use of KDE? ) |
| 13:46.24 | Gentle | depends on your gfx card |
| 13:46.39 | Gentle | for both nvidia and ati, 2D acceleration is noticeably faster than software 2D |
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| 13:47.55 | Gentle | but generally, you should try it, for example some older nvidia cards have a blurry display when you install the drivers |
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| 14:17.28 | Sho_ | adamt: server-side mail filtering |
| 14:17.51 | adamt | aha, thanks Sho_ ;) |
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| 14:49.31 | Desintegr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togo |
| 14:49.40 | Sho_ | adamt: West Africa |
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| 14:58.19 | t|zz | what's wrong with noatun when it doesn't play movies (mpg/avi), only audio-files or ogg-video and such things... what to do? |
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| 15:02.59 | USmarine | t|zz, have you got the codecs? |
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| 15:03.32 | FreshPrince | moin |
| 15:03.59 | t|zz | USmarine: hmm... i couldn't find any codec-packages for my distribution for mpg or avi or so, but mplayer runs fine with those formats, noatun doesnt... |
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| 15:04.34 | USmarine | if mplayer runs ok, noatun should too |
| 15:04.40 | USmarine | the package is w32codecs maybe |
| 15:05.36 | jeekl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.05 | t|zz | but then i should be able to open the files at least without being able to play them, but there isn't any mime-filter available in the open-dialog |
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| 15:07.54 | t|zz | ok, the win32codecs-package is available on gentoo - but either i have to recompile noatun or it isn't the solution... |
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| 15:08.36 | adamt | t|zz: have you activated win32codecs as a use-flag? |
| 15:08.48 | USmarine | omg |
| 15:08.56 | USmarine | reinstall noatun because of a codec? |
| 15:08.58 | USmarine | geez |
| 15:09.54 | t|zz | adamt: no i don't. but i didnt have it ever - it worked fine in kde-3.4.x |
| 15:10.25 | yoruichi | mpg/avi doesnt need w32codecs! |
| 15:10.54 | adamt | yoruichi: well, a lot of different codecs could be used with the .avi-container :P |
| 15:10.54 | USmarine | it doesnt? are yoiu sure? |
| 15:11.05 | USmarine | if the video is compressed using a codec |
| 15:11.14 | USmarine | how would you see it then? |
| 15:11.15 | adamt | still, t|zz, it ought to be in your use-list |
| 15:11.30 | yoruichi | USmarine: i mean, not all avis |
| 15:11.46 | USmarine | you didnt say that up there |
| 15:11.48 | yoruichi | i dont have w32codecs (i'm on pure amd64) |
| 15:11.57 | t|zz | it's at least possible to play those files (those i can't play with noatun) with mplayer |
| 15:12.08 | USmarine | lucky you, i've just got an athlon |
| 15:12.18 | yoruichi | t|zz: then there's something wrong w/ your kde configs |
| 15:12.51 | yoruichi | USmarine: besides, w32codecs are garbage :P |
| 15:13.21 | USmarine | are they? why? you analysed the code? |
| 15:13.21 | t|zz | yoruichi: so tell me what please, by the way, my konsole and my konqueror (web) are very slow since the update (scrolling shows it) |
| 15:13.35 | USmarine | t|zz, transparency ? |
| 15:13.47 | t|zz | USmarine: yes, as before the update |
| 15:14.05 | yoruichi | t|zz: dunno, i dont have/use noatun, but kmplayer runs happily here |
| 15:14.25 | USmarine | kmpayer is pretty cool |
| 15:15.06 | t|zz | the problem is that there seem to be something wrong, mplayer is ok but it cannot be that it doesn't work while it should |
| 15:15.40 | yoruichi | t|zz: does kde recognize video files? |
| 15:16.10 | t|zz | yes, it also wants to open it with noatun by default, but nothing happens in noatun, it just opens |
| 15:16.51 | USmarine | well, im out of here |
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| 15:16.52 | USmarine | cya |
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| 15:17.35 | yoruichi | t|zz: no error mssgs? |
| 15:18.10 | yoruichi | t|zz: what version of kde? (you're on gentoo, right?) |
| 15:18.28 | t|zz | nothing, the file appeaers in the playlist, but impossible to play it (kde-3.5.2 gentoo) |
| 15:19.11 | t|zz | when i try to open a file from noatun, the mime-types for mpg/avi-videos are missing in the list, the files are not shown in the open-dialog... |
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| 15:21.26 | yoruichi | t|zz: you dont have any other kde video player? |
| 15:21.36 | yoruichi | kmplayer/kaffeine? |
| 15:22.10 | t|zz | kmplayer isnt it just an kde-interface for mplayer? kaffeine i have, it uses the xine-lib which work, so kaffeine works too... |
| 15:22.24 | mariux_ | i prefer just plain mplayer |
| 15:22.30 | mariux_ | borderless |
| 15:22.31 | adamt | kaffeine and kmplayer can use different backends. |
| 15:23.04 | Sho_ | noatun uses xine-lib, too |
| 15:23.53 | yoruichi | plain mplayer is cute, but i need some integration too ;-) |
| 15:23.59 | t|zz | Sho_: but, it doesn't depend on xine-lib (at least gentoo installs noatun (kde) without xine-lib |
| 15:24.38 | yoruichi | t|zz: you dont have 'xine' use-flag too? |
| 15:28.49 | t|zz | yoruichi: no i don't |
| 15:33.31 | t|zz | another question: is there a possibility in kde like it exists in gnome, to limit the desktop-size for e. g. superkaramba, that maximized windows don't cover, like a panel? |
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| 15:40.04 | W8TAH | Hi folks -- a real quick question -- in file manger mode with Konqueror - how do i make a new folder? |
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| 15:41.56 | denzs | hi all, is it possible to configure kdm in a way that the user is not able to type small letters in his loginname so that every big letter is automatically converted into a small one? |
| 15:42.29 | denzs | iam using debian sarge with kde 3.5.3 |
| 15:45.59 | W8TAH | Hi folks -- a real quick question -- in file manger mode with Konqueror - how do i make a new folder? |
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| 15:48.36 | rork | W8TAH : right click -> Create New --> Folder? |
| 15:48.56 | W8TAH | its not an option - only thing under new is new link to device |
| 15:49.08 | W8TAH | that was my first attempt |
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| 15:50.12 | rork | W8TAH and via the edit menu same? |
| 15:50.23 | W8TAH | yes |
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| 15:51.14 | yoruichi | W8TAH: then you dont have permission there :P |
| 15:51.22 | W8TAH | ahhh -- in my home folder? |
| 15:51.28 | W8TAH | ok -- i'll look into it |
| 15:51.55 | W8TAH | thanks guys - i gotta run - -ttyl |
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| 15:52.22 | yoruichi | whoa, that's _quick_ |
| 15:52.36 | USmarine | is there a kde application for capturing screen videos ? |
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| 16:04.13 | deitarion | Y'know, I was just thinking... Besides speed and integration, there's one thing which makes Konqueror inequivocably better than Firefox... |
| 16:04.30 | deitarion | Konqueror almost passes the Acid2 test. Firefox most certainly does NOT. |
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| 16:05.01 | deitarion | ...and their attitude is "Acid2 isn't really relevant. What's relevant is how it performs in the real world". I HATE that. |
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| 16:05.58 | deitarion | When I code, my policy is "Write to the standard, then add workarounds for broken stuff". |
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| 16:11.04 | Sho_ | deitarion: "almost"? |
| 16:11.26 | feindbild | hi =) |
| 16:11.29 | deitarion | Sho_: There's one little block on the bottom-left which shouldn't be appearing according to the reference render. |
| 16:12.52 | Sho_ | deitarion: Hm, the reference rendering and the Konq rendering are identical to the pixel here |
| 16:13.21 | deitarion | Hmm. What KHTML version are you using? |
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| 16:13.40 | Sho_ | deitarion: The one included with KDE 3.5.3 |
| 16:13.47 | deitarion | Ahh. I'm using 3.5.2. |
| 16:14.20 | Sho_ | deitarion: The Acid2 scrollbar bug Opera was complaining about was fixed in 3.5.3 too IIRC |
| 16:14.20 | frb-work | I agree |
| 16:14.27 | frb-work | acid2 is silly |
| 16:14.31 | deitarion | I've heard a fair bit of regression-related bad stuff about 3.5.3 so I'm probably going to hold out for 3.5.4. |
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| 16:14.40 | Sho_ | frb-work: So do the KHTML developers =) |
| 16:14.45 | Bck14 | whats a good html editor for linux, like dreamweaver ? needs to be able to support php files |
| 16:14.54 | frb-work | Bck14: quanta+ |
| 16:15.04 | Sho_ | deitarion: Haven't had any problems on my three boxes, personally ... and the improvements are quite welcome |
| 16:15.05 | deitarion | ...and I'll have to mention it to the TWiT guys. They think the only Acid2-passers are Opera and Safari. |
| 16:15.05 | frb-work | not quite dreamweaver, but it's still rather nice |
| 16:15.23 | Bck14 | oki |
| 16:15.28 | Sho_ | deitarion: Opera doesn't pass Acid2 in an actual release version |
| 16:15.31 | Bck14 | i think it might already be installed actually :D |
| 16:15.52 | Sho_ | deitarion: And I think Safari has the scrollbar bug? That would make Konq the only passer by Opera's standards ;) |
| 16:16.00 | feindbild | Bck14: NVU .... but thats just an wysisyeg .... no php support ... |
| 16:16.00 | FreshPrince | gentoo users here? |
| 16:16.05 | deitarion | Definitely gonna have to tell them then. |
| 16:16.08 | Sho_ | But I'm not sure about Safari |
| 16:16.14 | feindbild | FreshPrince: try #gentoo |
| 16:16.16 | Sho_ | FreshPrince: yes |
| 16:16.19 | Bck14 | yeh ive read about that feindbild |
| 16:16.24 | Sho_ | there's also #gentoo-kde |
| 16:17.31 | feindbild | Bck14: there's also TruStudio .... an OS PHP plugin for eclipse ... |
| 16:17.32 | Qt-collective | Sho_: acid2 still doesn't pass on my konq 3.5.3 |
| 16:18.00 | Sho_ | Qt-collective: Well, do you have _kdelibs_ 3.5.3? =) |
| 16:18.10 | Q-collective | Sho_: obviously ;) |
| 16:18.33 | FreshPrince | ok.. |
| 16:18.34 | FreshPrince | well i have only 1 question.. i wanna know which kde i should merge.. kde-meta or kde? |
| 16:18.37 | Bck14 | feindbild: ok well quanta is ok, but i cant find the way to view the layout like the design tab in dreamweaver and i like to do my forms in that view |
| 16:18.40 | Sho_ | Q-collective: What can I say ... pixel-perfect here |
| 16:18.57 | psy_ | FreshPrince: i'd go for kdebase-meta |
| 16:18.58 | deitarion | FreshPrince: Gentoo, right? Do you want split ebuilds or monolithic? |
| 16:18.58 | yoruichi | FreshPrince: kdebase-startkde ;-) |
| 16:19.00 | Q-collective | Sho_: I still have a red line where it doesn't belong |
| 16:19.01 | Q-collective | =) |
| 16:19.03 | Bck14 | lol |
| 16:19.07 | Bck14 | i just found it :D |
| 16:19.08 | FreshPrince | well |
| 16:19.12 | Q-collective | Sho_: screeny? |
| 16:19.16 | Sho_ | FreshPrince: The -meta ebuild installs the so-called "split ebuilds" that seperates the KDE modules as released by KDE.org into many little packages |
| 16:19.19 | FreshPrince | i have no idea.. what is split and monolithic? |
| 16:19.20 | FreshPrince | ^^ |
| 16:19.35 | FreshPrince | aha.. |
| 16:19.36 | Sho_ | FreshPrince: Which has advantages when there are security updates - no need to update a whole module, but only a smaller package |
| 16:19.37 | FreshPrince | hm.. |
| 16:19.45 | deitarion | monolithic is how KDE releases them. split breaks them down into individual programs. |
| 16:19.47 | psy_ | which is better if one little package gets a patch or update, so you don't have to recompile the whole kdebase for example |
| 16:19.52 | Sho_ | FreshPrince: The advantage of the older, monolithic ebuilds would be somewhat faster compile time |
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| 16:19.56 | Sho_ | FreshPrince: Personally, I'd go with -meta |
| 16:19.56 | enr1x | hi guys |
| 16:19.59 | enr1x | good afternoon |
| 16:20.06 | FreshPrince | then |
| 16:20.09 | FreshPrince | hm |
| 16:20.14 | FreshPrince | then -meta is better to use? |
| 16:20.16 | enr1x | i get this error when locking the desktop: http://pastebin.com/706745 |
| 16:20.17 | deitarion | ...but with the new optional support for confcache, that'll probably be greatly reduced as a problem. |
| 16:20.21 | enr1x | any suggestion? |
| 16:20.25 | psy_ | or if you want bleeding edge try the genkdesvn ebuilds ;) |
| 16:20.44 | Sho_ | Q-collective: http://www.eikehein.com/acid2.png |
| 16:20.45 | Q-collective | Sho_: http://q-collective.org/screenshots/konqueror-acid2-2006-06-13.png |
| 16:20.46 | Q-collective | :) |
| 16:20.50 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 16:20.59 | aib | is there a way to add a custom icon to a "Non-KDE Application" on the panel? There just isn't an option for it that I see. The menu is very limited compared to configuring a KDE application button on the panel |
| 16:21.32 | Sho_ | aib: Just make a "Link to application" via the context menu on the desktop and drag it to the panel |
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| 16:22.04 | dmhouse | Hi all. Is there any way to unify the X- and KDE-level clipboards? |
| 16:22.32 | Sho_ | dmhouse: KDE ships with a clipboard manager called Klipper that can keep them in sync, iirc |
| 16:22.44 | Sho_ | Start it and explore its preferences |
| 16:22.52 | Sho_ | (it shows up as a tray icon) |
| 16:23.06 | dmhouse | Brilliant! I knew about Klipper but didn't know it could do that. |
| 16:23.09 | dmhouse | Thanks, Sho_ . |
| 16:23.28 | Sho_ | dmhouse: Notably, however, both clipboards are "X-level". X actually has three clipboards, most DEs only use two though. |
| 16:23.31 | deitarion | Klipper does everything. My favorite feature is "Keep contents in clipboard on application exit" |
| 16:23.51 | feindbild | Somebody having an idea how to ma<ke clipper work with java apps ? |
| 16:24.13 | deitarion | Q-collective's problem is Acid2 is the same one I get. |
| 16:24.22 | enr1x | now i have changed the style, because i see some problems with plastik, and get this errror http://pastebin.com/706753. btw, im running kde 3.5.3 on Arch Linux Gimmick |
| 16:24.55 | dmhouse | Sho_, will it work for pasting into non-KDE apps? |
| 16:25.08 | enr1x | and i have just seen that i cannot enter the screensaver page in kcontrol!! |
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| 16:25.16 | dmhouse | E.g. can I select some text from Firefox, Ctrl+C, then paste it into emacs? |
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| 16:25.52 | Q-collective | deitarion: I'm not alone! :) |
| 16:26.16 | Sho_ | dmhouse: There's a common clipboard spec on www.freedesktop.org that e.g. KDE and Gnome implement, I'm not sure about, let's call them 'legacy apps', like emacs |
| 16:26.48 | Sho_ | dmhouse: then again there's probably little emacs can't do, so I assume it's a question of configuration on emacs' part |
| 16:26.57 | dmhouse | That's what I was thinking. |
| 16:27.00 | feindbild | you can paste in every application .... even vim ... |
| 16:27.24 | feindbild | dmhouse: just press middle mouse button in emacs to paste stuff ... |
| 16:27.53 | dmhouse | Duh! I was in KDE-mode and way using C-v to paste. |
| 16:27.59 | dmhouse | Heh, thanks feindbild. |
| 16:29.28 | Sho_ | dmhouse: in KDE (and Gnome, etc.) two of three X clipboards are accessible, one is filled e.g. by selecting text, which can then be pasted using middle-click, the other is controlled by CTRL+C/X/V and the respective GUI actions. Klipper can keep them in sync. |
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| 16:29.55 | deitarion | I like to keep the clipboard and the selection separate. It's nice to keep two things without having to right-click Klipper. |
| 16:30.41 | dmhouse | deitarion: I'd agree if that didn't mean I had to select stuff to paste it into emacs. |
| 16:30.44 | Sho_ | deitarion: ditto |
| 16:31.04 | dmhouse | Although, now Sho_ has mentioned they're both X-level, perhaps there is a way to paste the Ctrl+C-style clipboard. |
| 16:31.16 | Sho_ | emacs doesn't play nice with the other clipboard mechanic without tinkering, I imagine |
| 16:31.20 | aib | thanks that worked. now somehow my desktops got aligned to the right and i can't move them! |
| 16:31.48 | deitarion | I just don't use emacs. It's UI behaviour is Un-KDE enough to keep me away anyway. |
| 16:31.52 | Sho_ | dmhouse: emacs can definitely access all three clipboards, if memory serves |
| 16:31.54 | aib | they are squishing my applications over |
| 16:32.19 | deitarion | same with gvim. They're both "console apps wrapped in a candy coating" and it shows too much for my tastes. |
| 16:32.21 | aib | (it can in gui mode) |
| 16:32.33 | dmhouse | aib, use the handle to the left of the applications to drag it (if you're talking about the panel). |
| 16:32.53 | aib | dmhouse, i am talking about that..i don't have those when I hover over |
| 16:33.12 | Sho_ | dmhouse: http://standards.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-0.1.txt may be worth reading wrt/ the terminology |
| 16:33.32 | Sho_ | dmhouse: that's the common clipboard spec implemented by most Linux apps today |
| 16:33.38 | dmhouse | Thanks. |
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| 16:35.44 | enr1x | ok, i tried changing the screensaver but i get almost the same error. When i lock the desktop, using kde_desktop_lock, move the mouse, and i get the password prompt, but inmediately, the screensaver disappears, so the desktop gets unlocked, and eventually the kcrash dialog appears. what can i do? |
| 16:35.57 | enr1x | http://pastebin.com/706753 |
| 16:36.03 | aib | man, i had to set "Apple Handles" to visible. you can configure everything in KDE. blessing or curse i don't know |
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| 16:37.28 | Sho_ | aib: It's a little better in KDE 3.5.x, Applet Handles are set to Visible by default, unless you select "Lock panel" in the context menu, then they go away until you unlock it again |
| 16:37.44 | Sho_ | aib: That's a little more comfortable than changing the buried setting all the time |
| 16:38.00 | Sho_ | aib: But many distros change such settings, of course |
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| 16:44.38 | frb-work | I think configuration in kde is a blessing |
| 16:45.11 | frb-work | in other unnamed environments, those settings are there, but you have to dig through a cryptic live database to find them |
| 16:45.57 | gufymike | sho what version of the nvidia drivers are you using? |
| 16:46.20 | Sho_ | gufymike: 8762 |
| 16:46.24 | gufymike | ty |
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| 16:57.11 | PhilHyde | Hiya. I've got a question about the changes in Kate and Konversation's behaviour from 3.4 to 3.5 (Kubuntu Breezy->Dapper update): |
| 16:57.17 | PhilHyde | When invoked, they stay as one single process (for instance, I've mapped "start Kate" to Ctrl+Alt+K). |
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| 16:57.38 | PhilHyde | In 3.4 they restored and gained focus when invoked in that way (and when invoked via the command line). Now they just flash on the taskbar, but don't restore. Any idea how I can bring that behavior back? |
| 16:58.04 | paoleela2 | Hello. I'm not allowed to delete some of the konqueror profiles? |
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| 17:33.05 | fangel | I had a power-out so my computer died.. after power-on afterwards kontact crashes on launch.. what could cause this? it's not the lock-file still being there, because it ain't.. |
| 17:34.54 | Caster | I guess something broke in ~/.kde/share/apps/kontact |
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| 17:37.03 | Caster | first backup it somewhere before trying anything :) |
| 17:37.18 | fangel | Caster: ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail more prolly.. i renamed it to ~kmail and now it launches.. |
| 17:38.16 | Caster | well backup and look for empty files, binary mess instead of xml, something :) |
| 17:40.12 | fangel | wauw.. something spooked it.. it keeps downloading and uploading the messages from my imap inbox.. to the imap inbox.. |
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| 17:43.37 | Caster | uh |
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| 17:48.10 | fangel | removing the "compact folder" tick under settings for the imap mail seems to stop it.. and 30 secs after.. kontact crashed... |
| 17:48.44 | fangel | okay.. so it must be my imap-server that it, in some weird-ass-fuck, way managed to bork.. |
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| 17:50.16 | fangel | okay - it doesnt delete the messages, so i think i'll just let it trash itself for an hour and see if it stops.. (it has to down- then re-upload just short of 1000 emails..) |
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| 17:54.21 | simmerz | :q |
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| 18:07.10 | simmerz | i have a problem with kde. the fonts have become invisible, and only shadows show up. any ideas? |
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| 18:07.22 | Caster | yes |
| 18:07.31 | Caster | xorg7.1+nvidia/ati binary driver |
| 18:07.53 | simmerz | Caster: ok. solution? not to use the binary driver or not to upgrade to xorg 7.1 yet? |
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| 18:08.11 | Caster | whichever :) |
| 18:08.32 | Caster | I went back to 7.0 because nv driver doesn't quite work for me |
| 18:08.49 | simmerz | ok. or to disable RenderAccel, but that defies the point of it |
| 18:08.50 | Caster | and it has no acceleration and stuff... while 7.1 is not much better than 7.0 imho |
| 18:09.04 | fangel | Caster: it stopped now.. it just had to cycle thru the entire inbox, then it stopped.. weird, but hey.. it works now.. |
| 18:09.26 | Caster | heh ok |
| 18:09.36 | simmerz | thanks caster |
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| 18:12.09 | _user | hi |
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| 18:13.00 | anisfarhana | greetings |
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| 18:14.55 | simmerz | Caster: using gentoo. do i need to downgrade all the other modules? or just the server itself? |
| 18:16.35 | anisfarhana | weird , something wrong with kicker/panel |
| 18:17.38 | Caster | simmerz: knew that |
| 18:18.43 | Caster | u need to package.mask many modules |
| 18:19.15 | Caster | http://rafb.net/paste/results/qQSWb478.html |
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| 18:31.23 | ManOfMilk | damnit |
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| 18:33.58 | Set | I've tried Windows Vista beta 2 |
| 18:34.12 | Set | and I wondered if it's possible to make KDE just as unresponsive as Windows? |
| 18:35.11 | Set | I loved the "lagging mouse" effect, and the constant security warnings. :) you should consider adding that |
| 18:35.32 | aep | lol |
| 18:36.05 | aep | maybe we should write an vista-bug tool that pops up every 2 seconds |
| 18:36.26 | aep | so users can easier migrate to kde, cous ethey have the popus |
| 18:36.28 | Set | yeah. that'd make Windows Vista users feel like home |
| 18:36.40 | aep | yee |
| 18:36.44 | aep | lets go |
| 18:36.53 | aep | gimme some grphics |
| 18:36.56 | aep | i'll write it |
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| 18:37.48 | Set | wait. I got a better idea... we take our favorite kde distro, and make it take one hour to install, so that Windows Vista users doesn't think something went wrong on the installation process |
| 18:38.56 | RadiantFire | roflmao |
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| 18:42.00 | heel3k | is kde 3.5 unstable? i'm asking because the minor number is odd. |
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| 18:43.02 | aep | heel3k,thats just for kernels |
| 18:43.24 | heel3k | aep: that is what i thought, so 3.5 is ready for normal use? |
| 18:43.51 | aep | yes |
| 18:44.07 | heel3k | are there many differences between 3.4 and 3.5? |
| 18:44.13 | aep | noo you should realy wait for kde 3.6 |
| 18:44.23 | aep | :D sorry |
| 18:44.33 | aep | heel3k,take a look at the page |
| 18:44.33 | Set | I'm using KDE 3.4 and don't miss anything |
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| 18:48.55 | insta | Is there any way to make the KDE application panel multi-monitor aware? |
| 18:49.33 | heel3k | does konqueror in 3.5 let gmail be usable? |
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| 18:50.45 | StAnLeY^ | hey, does anyone know what WorKflow is about ? |
| 18:50.48 | SeanTater | heel3k: yes -- standard mode in gmail works in konq 3.5 |
| 18:50.51 | gufymike | its useable but you lose alot of the ajax features, like the google talk thing |
| 18:51.04 | SeanTater | heel3k: but chat has a few probs |
| 18:51.16 | SeanTater | heel3k: so go for gmail without chat |
| 18:51.40 | heel3k | SeanTater: but its much better than konq 3.4? it freezes for me |
| 18:52.02 | SeanTater | heel3k: MUCH better than gmail with 3.4 konq |
| 18:52.48 | heel3k | SeanTater: thanks, that sold me on the upgrade, i love gentoo, but i have to give myself reasons to upgrade because it takes so damn long. |
| 18:52.49 | Q-collective | my experience on konqueror 3.5 with gmail (or ajax websites in general) is that konq is still quite primitive |
| 18:52.55 | Q-collective | I still need firefox :( |
| 18:53.19 | SeanTater | heel3k: need anything more? |
| 18:53.36 | SeanTater | heel3k: for one, kicker gets about 10% more pretty |
| 18:54.13 | heel3k | cool |
| 18:54.15 | heel3k | i'm installing it now |
| 18:54.41 | SeanTater | heel3k: hey -- I must ask -- you use gentoo right? |
| 18:55.04 | heel3k | SeanTater: yep |
| 18:55.43 | SeanTater | heel3k: how do you install it -- I tried three times with the GUI installer and nothing happened, I tryed the terminal one and it killed my computer -- |
| 18:55.44 | bwelmers | someone here an idea how to disable kget for downloading with konqueror? |
| 18:55.57 | heel3k | SeanTater: install gentoo? |
| 18:55.59 | bwelmers | I can't get sql exports from mysql |
| 18:56.04 | bwelmers | s/mysql/phpmyadmin |
| 18:56.06 | SeanTater | heel3k: yes, gentoo |
| 18:56.28 | RadiantFire | bwelmers: right click on kget and "Disable kget as konqueror download manager" |
| 18:56.44 | bwelmers | RadiantFire: great thanks a lot |
| 18:56.56 | bwelmers | (for not seeing it) |
| 18:57.05 | RadiantFire | :-P |
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| 18:57.19 | RadiantFire | I love answering stupid questions, it makes me seem so knowledgable |
| 18:57.29 | heel3k | SeanTater: i msg'ed you, that is a topic way beyond the kde channel |
| 18:57.51 | bwelmers | damn phpmyadmin still doesn't work |
| 18:58.03 | bwelmers | I'll try the terminal |
| 18:58.11 | RadiantFire | what went wrong? |
| 18:58.31 | RadiantFire | I sometimes have problems downloading from a .php serving target |
| 18:58.36 | Sho_ | RadiantFire: Don't insult users, please |
| 18:58.36 | RadiantFire | you just have to rename the saved file |
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| 19:00.07 | Murray_B | Hi! |
| 19:00.11 | Set | HEY! |
| 19:00.18 | StAnLeY^ | hm, I guess the title is wrong.. perhaps it should be "$OS1 vs $OS2 flamewars ..." |
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| 19:01.12 | Murray_B | Is it possible to tell kadressbook not to make thousands of backups? |
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| 19:03.59 | Frem_ | In KDE 3.0, there used to be an option that made panel shortcuts "pop up" when you moused over them, kinda like a primitive version of the OS X bar. I just started messing around with KDE again, and I can't find it. Is it still included in the latest version of KDE? |
| 19:04.36 | Sho_ | Frem_: No, it has been removed in favor of fancy tooltips |
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| 19:05.34 | Frem_ | Sho_: dang... I turned those off. They took way too long to fully animate. :-( |
| 19:05.48 | Sho_ | Frem_: ditto |
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| 19:09.48 | Frem_ | Oh, well. That neat pull-down terminal would make up for removing like half the desktop. |
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| 19:10.12 | Sho_ | Frem_: The icon effects were half the desktop? ;) |
| 19:10.44 | Sho_ | Frem_: And I'm afraid the neat pull-down terminal isn't actually included, but a third-party app ;) |
| 19:11.58 | Frem_ | I didn't say they were, I'm saying I like the pull-down terminal so much that I probably wouldn't care if half the desktop was gone. |
| 19:12.08 | Sho_ | (although it leverages KDE Konsole technology) |
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| 19:12.51 | Frem_ | And it's mentioned in the official KDE screenshots and avalable in the ubuntu repositiy, so it's close enough to being included for me. ^_^ |
| 19:13.12 | Sho_ | Frem_: I was pleasently surprised by it being in the screenshots as well |
| 19:13.24 | Sho_ | Frem_: I'm its current developer/maintainer, btw |
| 19:13.46 | Frem_ | :-) |
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| 19:16.05 | Set | poaftp.no-ip.org/sysadminsong.mp3 |
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| 19:20.05 | yoruichi | Sho_: you got my 'request' done? ;-) |
| 19:20.17 | _Lydia | ciao |
| 19:20.24 | Sho_ | yoruichi: which was? |
| 19:20.36 | yoruichi | paste thingie.... |
| 19:20.46 | yoruichi | moving tabs... |
| 19:20.48 | Sho_ | yoruichi: oh. yes. |
| 19:20.58 | yoruichi | both? |
| 19:21.04 | Sho_ | yoruichi: Moving tabs not yet |
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| 19:21.23 | yoruichi | ok |
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| 19:22.26 | yoruichi | when's the next rel planned, btw? |
| 19:24.04 | Sho_ | yoruichi: soon |
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| 19:26.34 | cherez | is it possible to use a screensaver for your background? |
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| 19:27.45 | Set | Every computer cause every OS sucks |
| 19:29.18 | lnxKDE | someone here have tried to compile the kdelibs sourcecode ? |
| 19:29.34 | lnxKDE | no Makefile.cvs in it.... |
| 19:29.36 | lnxKDE | :( |
| 19:29.47 | lnxKDE | I am taking about the svn |
| 19:30.05 | Sho_ | If you're referring to SVN trunk, KDE has switched to using CMake instead of autocrap |
| 19:30.38 | lnxKDE | so how I compile it now? |
| 19:30.45 | pinotree | lnxKDE: why? |
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| 19:30.56 | Sho_ | www.cmake.org and the KDE Wiki hold the necessary docs |
| 19:31.06 | pinotree | lnxKDE: kdelibs is quite "broken" in this period |
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| 19:31.34 | pinotree | lnxKDE: no kdelibs trunk, use the snapshot |
| 19:31.57 | lnxKDE | Sho_ I am following kde.org and says do this : make -f Makefile.cvs |
| 19:32.20 | lnxKDE | pinotree : the snapshoot says 06/12/2006 that was yesterday : |
| 19:32.36 | pinotree | sure |
| 19:32.52 | Sho_ | lnxKDE: The page may be out of date. |
| 19:32.59 | lnxKDE | ok |
| 19:33.04 | Sho_ | Or it's referring to the 3.5 branch |
| 19:33.17 | lnxKDE | well downloading kdelibs and kdebase from snapshoot web site |
| 19:33.39 | lnxKDE | btw guys this is what I am tring to do : http://lnxkde.blogspot.com/ |
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| 19:34.32 | Sho_ | lnxKDE: What do you hope to get out of this endeavour? |
| 19:34.43 | blaster999 | hi all |
| 19:35.19 | lnxKDE | Sho_ : endeavour? |
| 19:35.29 | blaster999 | I have a question: is it possible to use standalone player for system notifications when KDE is compiled without aRts? |
| 19:35.36 | Sho_ | lnxKDE: Enterprise, project, ... |
| 19:35.52 | Sho_ | blaster999: Yes |
| 19:35.55 | blaster999 | 'cause for me an external player doesn't work :( |
| 19:36.09 | lnxKDE | nothing really I expect lots of fun :) and get to test and matain a current kde 4 svn :) |
| 19:36.16 | Sho_ | blaster999: Kcontrol -> Sound & Multimedia -> System Notifications -> Player Settings |
| 19:36.40 | blaster999 | Sho_: I set the command to "play", but I don't hear anything :( |
| 19:36.52 | Sho_ | lnxKDE: Chances are you will have a very very hard time without prior development experience, and there's not much to see yet |
| 19:37.05 | blaster999 | Sho_: "play" works when I launch it manually |
| 19:37.24 | Sho_ | blaster999: You could try alsaplayer or one of the command-line xinelib-based players ... anything that does Ogg Vorbis |
| 19:37.29 | lnxKDE | Sho_ : well what the heck :) |
| 19:37.56 | Sho_ | lnxKDE: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE3To4 <- I'm not sure how up to date that is, though |
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| 19:40.30 | cherez | does anyone know how to user a screensaver for a background? I found documentation on it but it's 8 years old and the technique doesn't seem to work now... |
| 19:40.40 | lnxKDE | Sho_ : thankx |
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| 19:52.08 | blaster999 | Sho_: still not working :( |
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| 20:14.49 | mariux | hi, i am trying to write a patch to kde, and after doing even a small 1 line change i have to do make && make install to get the .so file i need, that takes atleast 5 min. is there another way? |
| 20:15.56 | mariux | nevermind :) |
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| 20:17.38 | pinotree | mariux: developing is also that, waiting for compiliation to finish... |
| 20:19.32 | frb-work | mariux: ccache |
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| 20:22.33 | mariux | i was in the wrong folder, that was the problem :) |
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| 20:29.46 | aseigo | pinotree: ping |
| 20:29.54 | pinotree | aseigo: tell me |
| 20:30.20 | aseigo | pinotree: you're developing okular in branches/work/kde4/playground? |
| 20:30.27 | pinotree | yup |
| 20:30.49 | pinotree | #kpdf |
| 20:30.59 | aseigo | pinotree: would it be possible to get you to move it to trunk/playground? |
| 20:31.13 | pinotree | aseigo: you should ask that to albert |
| 20:31.22 | pinotree | ... in #kpdf ;) |
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| 20:36.26 | Simkin | i just noticed in the subject, never tell anyone to delete their .kde folder |
| 20:36.37 | Simkin | sometimes that really cleans things up though... |
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| 20:54.30 | NLoRD | hello, is there any better tool than kmenuedit to edit my kde menus? |
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| 20:57.27 | NLoRD | kmenuedit is a little bit messy, it creates pointless entries like this one: |
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| 20:57.36 | NLoRD | (sorry for the flood) |
| 20:57.43 | NLoRD | is there any better kde menu editor? |
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| 21:11.41 | speedy | Hi! Is there a tool to create CD-labels under kde? |
| 21:13.15 | blaster999 | speedy: yeah, look at kde-apps.org |
| 21:13.43 | blaster999 | speedy: there's even a script for amarok that does that :) |
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| 21:15.26 | speedy | what do I have to sarch fo |
| 21:15.27 | speedy | r |
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| 21:15.50 | speedy | (sorry for the dump question but i cant find anything looking for label or cd lanel |
| 21:15.53 | speedy | label |
| 21:15.55 | speedy | ) |
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| 21:18.04 | NLoRD | is there any better tool than kmenuedit to edit my kde menus? |
| 21:18.11 | frb-work | why would it be taking multiple seconds to switch desktops? |
| 21:19.24 | thiago | NLoRD: no, kmenuedit is it |
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| 21:19.32 | blaster999 | speedy: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36670 |
| 21:19.40 | blaster999 | and http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32555 |
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| 21:19.58 | NLoRD | yes thiago but kmenuedit is a bit messy creating many pointless entries ;( |
| 21:20.58 | chavo | NLoRD, that's the way the menu spec works -) |
| 21:21.45 | speedy | thx but I need sth. to print sticky labels to put it directly onto the cd. Looks like I have to make an Inkscape-template on my own.... |
| 21:21.45 | USmarine | frb-work, not in normal circumstances |
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| 21:23.03 | NLoRD | chavo, is this menu spec feature or bug? http://pastebin.com/707415 |
| 21:24.35 | thiago | NLoRD: pointless? |
| 21:24.42 | thiago | NLoRD: it creates menu entries you didn't want? |
| 21:24.56 | NLoRD | yes kmenueditor creates pointless entries |
| 21:25.05 | chavo | NLoRD, do you have unwanted entries on your menu? |
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| 21:25.20 | thiago | well, that which you pasted looks like a bug |
| 21:25.21 | NLoRD | yes chavo |
| 21:25.30 | NLoRD | also all the script seems to be too messy |
| 21:25.35 | frb-work | did you uncheck the "Create useless Entries" item in the configuration dialog? |
| 21:25.45 | NLoRD | I think there must be some debugging to kmenuedit |
| 21:25.57 | NLoRD | or bug fixes |
| 21:26.41 | thiago | script? |
| 21:27.03 | NLoRD | I mean applications-kmenuedit.menu |
| 21:27.15 | NLoRD | this is the main script kde uses to organize menus |
| 21:27.20 | thiago | right |
| 21:27.36 | NLoRD | and it is a little messy with pointless entries |
| 21:28.56 | NLoRD | I wish I knew how to program at C++ to help kde development team to creat a filter for optimization applications-kmenuedit.menu, but I do not know :( |
| 21:29.17 | NLoRD | *optimizing |
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| 21:38.09 | PhilRod | NLoRD: you can learn :-) |
| 21:38.38 | NLoRD | yes but I need months to become a guru :) |
| 21:38.47 | NLoRD | it is not easy |
| 21:38.51 | PhilRod | but you can get involved without having to be a guru |
| 21:38.57 | PhilRod | even I've written a few simple patches |
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| 21:39.37 | PhilRod | your first patch doesn't have to create a whole new application - it could just fix a minor bug, or add a new option, or something |
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| 21:40.40 | NLoRD | I will do my best PhilRod :) |
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| 21:45.40 | Gambit- | evenin' chaps |
| 21:46.35 | Gambit- | I'm using Ubuntu 5.10 with KDE3 and trying to get KDM to give my Xserver a login prompt. I can't find anything in the log files on either side. I get the 'Willing to manage' notice but nothing beyond that. Help! :) |
| 21:47.30 | PhilRod | NLoRD: a good way to start is to find an app you like, take a look through the bugs database at bugs.kde.org and see if there's anything that looks easy |
| 21:48.02 | thiago | there are also some bugs marked "JJ", that stands for Junior Jobs |
| 21:48.05 | PhilRod | especially for things marked "JJ" (stands for 'junior job') - they're tasks |
| 21:48.18 | PhilRod | that are easy to get started with |
| 21:48.24 | PhilRod | heh thiago :-) |
| 21:48.56 | Gambit- | Yeah, the XDMCP selector tells me that the server is willing to manage, but once I select it, nothing else happens. I'm at a complete loss, anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 21:52.10 | forevertheuni | guys I'm trying to use desktop share..it uses vnc protocol right?it works ok (I'm talking about the one integrated in kde, the :0 server) |
| 21:52.22 | forevertheuni | and when I try to connect it asks in the server computer if I accept |
| 21:52.44 | forevertheuni | how can I put it to always accept? |
| 21:52.48 | forevertheuni | without confirmation |
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| 21:54.40 | Lars_G | Quick one (sorry if it's in the faq I missed it), to search any header's content in KMail filters I just have to type the header's name (no ":" ) on the "where" field. right? |
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| 21:56.17 | Lars_G | Murphy answered me. |
| 21:56.18 | Lars_G | thanks |
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| 22:01.22 | Gambit- | When I connect I see the Xwin32 screen flicker, but it doesn't seem to get any data from the KDM. |
| 22:01.41 | Gambit- | do I need to tell KDM to run something special when a client connects? Isn't it supposed to be able to give it a login box or something? |
| 22:02.06 | gemidjy | Gambit- yes it should prompt you for user/pass |
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| 22:02.42 | thiago | when you connect what? |
| 22:02.45 | Gambit- | gemidjy, Hrm, it doesn't... firewall has UDP177 and TCP6000 punched through it in both directions afaik... |
| 22:02.48 | thiago | Xwin32? |
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| 22:03.30 | thiago | which command did you run? X -query ? |
| 22:03.30 | Gambit- | Xwin32 via XDMCP to my ubuntu 5.10 box running xorg |
| 22:03.30 | gemidjy | ahhh damn, KDE on Ubuntu |
| 22:03.30 | gemidjy | that is heavy |
| 22:03.31 | Gambit- | I'm open to alternatives :) |
| 22:03.46 | Gambit- | This isn't a desktop environment, it needs to run a particular wxwidgets application, and that's it. |
| 22:03.58 | thiago | so, you run X -query ubuntu-box and it shows an empty screen? |
| 22:04.06 | Gambit- | xwin32 is testbed, once I get that working I'll switch it over to the TC |
| 22:04.11 | Gambit- | thiago, I do that on the win32 box, ne? |
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| 22:04.30 | thiago | as long as that's the equivalent to the X -query command, it doesn't change anything |
| 22:04.49 | Gambit- | tbh I don't know. |
| 22:04.54 | thiago | I'm trying to understand if what you're saying is that kdm doesn't show a greeter on the -query |
| 22:05.21 | thiago | did you configure kdm to allow anyone to get a greeter? |
| 22:05.29 | Gambit- | thiago, I do the broadcast exchange, it declares that it's willing to manage, I select it and click OK, and I get nothing. |
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| 22:06.01 | Gambit- | Yeah, Xaccess has the * line. |
| 22:07.15 | Gambit- | it's annoying, usually there's someplace you can look and see logging messages, but I haven't found that anywhere yet. Xwin32 just has various packet tx/rx information, and kdm has /nothing/ afaik. |
| 22:07.21 | Gambit- | (well, besides some basic setup info) |
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| 22:10.01 | Gambit- | suggestions? :) |
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| 22:12.03 | thiago | no, sorry |
| 22:12.25 | thiago | but obviously the ATI driver locked up my machine |
| 22:12.39 | thiago | I have to remember I can't change displays, or the machine locks up |
| 22:12.58 | Gambit- | ah heh nice |
| 22:12.59 | pinotree | wow, nice... |
| 22:13.09 | Gambit- | so do I need something else running other then the kdm software? |
| 22:13.46 | thiago | no, kdm should be enough |
| 22:13.54 | thiago | you should get a login window on it |
| 22:14.04 | thiago | now... what was the option to turn some debugging on... |
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| 22:14.24 | Gambit- | yeah, that'd be useful on the kdm side... at least to see if maybe my iptables are screwed up or something |
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| 22:15.45 | thiago | check your kdmrc for Xdmcp=false |
| 22:16.05 | thiago | `kde-config --prefix`/share/config/kdm/kdmrc |
| 22:16.08 | Gambit- | heh yeah Enable=true |
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| 22:16.32 | thiago | Port=177? |
| 22:16.35 | Gambit- | /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc on ubuntu |
| 22:16.38 | Gambit- | yup |
| 22:16.50 | Gambit- | i sorta feel like I wouldn't see it on the selector window if I didn't have that much working, you know? |
| 22:18.03 | thiago | so you start your X server and you see a list of available hosts? |
| 22:18.06 | thiago | is that it? |
| 22:18.11 | gemidjy | configure: error: Couldn't find lib SoundTouch |
| 22:18.17 | gemidjy | hrm...I have soundtouch installed |
| 22:18.24 | Gambit- | thiago, Yeah, or at least that's what I believe is happening. |
| 22:18.55 | thiago | Gambit-: ok, so you're doing the equivalent of "X -broadcast" |
| 22:19.20 | Gambit- | thiago, probably. I don't have another unix box to test this with. |
| 22:19.20 | thiago | so the problem is that the greeter isn't being shown... |
| 22:19.27 | thiago | does kdm work locally on that box? |
| 22:19.41 | Gambit- | Can't determine, it's headless and 2 hours by car away from me atm. |
| 22:20.59 | thiago | I couldn't find how to get more info |
| 22:21.11 | thiago | try replacing it with xdm instead |
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| 22:21.31 | Gambit- | I don't have an xdm binary installed, let me apt-get it |
| 22:21.34 | thiago | how fast is your connection to that machine? LAN? |
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| 22:21.48 | Gambit- | no, two dsl lines away. |
| 22:21.57 | thiago | how long is the ping? |
| 22:22.00 | thiago | is it less than 2 ms? |
| 22:22.03 | Gambit- | god no |
| 22:22.05 | Gambit- | why? |
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| 22:22.07 | Gambit- | oh wait |
| 22:22.14 | thiago | because if it's > 2 ms, it's too slow for X |
| 22:22.23 | Gambit- | sorry, no, my bad, I'm running the xserver on a machine I'm remote desktoped into on the same lan, so yes, it is LAN. |
| 22:22.33 | thiago | ah, ok |
| 22:22.36 | thiago | much better |
| 22:22.40 | thiago | but you should try NX |
| 22:22.44 | Gambit- | what's NX? |
| 22:22.57 | thiago | avoid the middle man and connect to the remote X machine directly |
| 22:23.07 | Gambit- | heh |
| 22:23.21 | thiago | NX is a compression and caching protocol on top X11 |
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| 22:23.35 | frb-work | NX is faster than windows RDP |
| 22:23.36 | Gambit- | right now I'm remote desktoped into a winxp box where I'm running xwin32. The only other linux bos other then the server is a thinclient which isn't responding to VNC like it should. |
| 22:23.39 | thiago | the whitepapers by the company that created it show it beats VNC and rdesktop too |
| 22:23.40 | frb-work | and smokes VNC |
| 22:23.57 | frb-work | (I'm speaking from experience) |
| 22:24.01 | thiago | personal experience: it beats VNC |
| 22:24.08 | thiago | I never had the chance to compare it to RDP |
| 22:24.30 | thiago | and, with NX, you don't need to install an X server, because it's integrated |
| 22:24.38 | thiago | so, really, give it a try |
| 22:25.26 | Gambit- | exactly which machine should I be giving it a try with, out of curiosity? |
| 22:25.55 | thiago | you install the NX Client on the machine you'll be at (the one with the monitor) |
| 22:26.06 | thiago | and you install the NX server on the machine that will run the programs |
| 22:26.21 | thiago | it's the exact opposite of X11 (which is a weird setup) |
| 22:26.35 | thiago | (on X11, you run the server locally and the client applications remotely) |
| 22:26.37 | Gambit- | I've got two linux boxes, ones a thin client, and the other's the central server. All the other boxs are winxp. |
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| 22:26.46 | Gambit- | ls |
| 22:26.53 | lnxG5 | hi |
| 22:26.53 | thiago | central server -> NX Server |
| 22:27.06 | thiago | thin client -> NX Client |
| 22:27.13 | lnxG5 | someone here can help me with something I dont undestand this : http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Porting+KDELibs+to+D-Bus |
| 22:27.23 | thiago | lnxG5: I wrote that page :-) |
| 22:27.33 | lnxG5 | thiago you could help me? |
| 22:27.40 | thiago | that depends: what's your question? |
| 22:27.42 | Gambit- | well great |
| 22:27.47 | Gambit- | xdm isn't even spitting out a log file. |
| 22:27.51 | thiago | and you should probably go to #kde4-devel and we'll talk there. |
| 22:27.59 | lnxG5 | when you say cmake $OLDPWD/kdesupport |
| 22:28.17 | lnxG5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.19 | thiago | Gambit-: do you get the machine listed in your available server list? |
| 22:28.27 | Gambit- | thiago, I can't even get xdm to run atm :) |
| 22:28.29 | lnxG5 | or I must change that for the dbus path? |
| 22:28.31 | thiago | lnxG5: go to a shell and type: echo $OLDPWD |
| 22:28.39 | thiago | lnxG5: then cd somewhere and type it again |
| 22:29.22 | lnxG5 | it shows were i was |
| 22:29.36 | thiago | there you go :-) |
| 22:31.03 | lnxG5 | so if I cd to kdesupport-build and then I cmake $OLDPWD/kdesupport It woill build in kde-support-build? |
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| 22:31.34 | lnxG5 | thiago also I did export PATH=$SVNROOT/trunk/qt-copy/bin:$PATH |
| 22:31.50 | lnxG5 | then svn co $SVNROOT/trunk/kdesupport |
| 22:31.58 | lnxG5 | and it did not downloaded |
| 22:32.14 | thiago | lnxG5: $SVNROOT is something like svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde |
| 22:32.19 | thiago | you can't add that to your PATH |
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| 22:32.35 | lnxG5 | I had to do : svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdesupport |
| 22:32.39 | poopybutt | how do i get kbfx for debian? |
| 22:33.00 | thiago | lnxG5: right |
| 22:34.15 | lnxG5 | so i really must do ? export PATH=svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/qt-copy/bin:$PATH ? |
| 22:34.50 | lnxG5 | and then svn co $SVNROOT/trunk/kdesupport will work? |
| 22:35.05 | lnxG5 | or still I must do |
| 22:35.19 | lnxG5 | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdesupport |
| 22:35.21 | lnxG5 | ??? |
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| 22:35.46 | Gambit- | thiago, lovely, the ubuntu xdm didn't come with the libXdmGreet.so shared object... shiesh. |
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| 22:38.10 | lnxG5 | thiago : pkg-config --modversion dbus-1 |
| 22:38.10 | lnxG5 | 0.62 but when I do cmake for kdesupport it complains about no dbus |
| 22:38.54 | poopybutt | ok how would i go about installing kbfx in debian. i didnt see it in apt-get |
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| 22:42.01 | Renze | poopybutt: ask in #debian or #debian-kde |
| 22:42.08 | lnxG5 | thiago I did : export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$DBUSDIR/lib/pkgconfig <-- is tha twrong too? I have to change something? |
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| 22:45.19 | poopybutt | could somebody explain to me what deKorator is |
| 22:45.47 | Renze | dekorator is a window decoration that allows people to make themes using images |
| 22:49.11 | poopybutt | how can i load the dekorator application? |
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| 22:51.11 | Renze | poopybutt: it's not an application, it's a window decoration. |
| 22:51.44 | Gambit- | arrrrgh. |
| 22:52.09 | Gambit- | even when I punt the KDM log up to max, I still don't get anything indicating why it's not feeding me a greeter window. |
| 22:52.09 | poopybutt | Renze: oh, well i cant find the tab it says to go to, to install a new theme |
| 22:52.54 | Renze | poopybutt: do you have dekorator installed? |
| 22:53.18 | poopybutt | Renze: thats what i was trying to do, i couldnt find where to download it |
| 22:53.34 | Renze | poopybutt: www.kde-look.org |
| 22:54.26 | Renze | poopybutt: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31447 to be precise |
| 22:54.52 | Renze | poopybutt: if you're looking for a debian package, you will have to look somewhere else |
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| 23:22.47 | gufymike | I was just looking at this and requires gtk2 should it be in kde-apps? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40841 |
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