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00:09.50 | hivemind | I recently installed KDE (Ubuntu 6.06, most recent KDE?) and I was wondering how to start programs automagically. |
00:10.19 | hivemind | Erm, once I log-in I mean. I want a couple programs to always start up (Say, amaroK) |
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00:13.37 | giangy | hivemind: you can save the current session |
00:13.41 | eille-la | hi, I downloaded a 'theme' for KDE, installed it (it modified more settings than I tought, but thats not the point), and now when i start a kde session, i always get this "first start kde wizard". where is this wizard settings stored so i can disable it? |
00:13.55 | giangy | or use the 'Autostart' section, see |
00:14.00 | giangy | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Autostart_Programs#KDE |
00:14.03 | giangy | for more informations |
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00:37.46 | _paul | hi, im using kde 3.5. I have a hp remote for my laptop and its seems to work with kde which is great, but every keypress is repeated about 5 times. would anyone know what this might be? |
00:39.22 | balou | maybe its because you're pressing the buttons to long |
00:39.41 | balou | the windows driver probably filtered that out |
00:40.46 | _paul | no i definatly just press the button really quickly, example if im trying to navigate through a directory and press the right arrow to move to the next item, it skips across about 5 items really quickly |
00:41.06 | _paul | that would seem like it |
00:41.18 | _paul | as if it just received the signal 5 times in really quick sucession |
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00:41.45 | _paul | is there any work around |
00:41.56 | _paul | or would it take hacking the actual kde driver |
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00:43.05 | _paul | does kde use its own system or would trying lirc help? |
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00:46.24 | Renze | afaik (not having a remote) the kde stuff is just a front-end to lirc. |
00:47.00 | _paul | hmm |
00:47.17 | _paul | is just annoying as it seems to be so close to working and would be a really nice feature to have |
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00:55.30 | parph | hello |
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00:56.09 | parph | how do you make it so kmail does not automatically open a message in your inbox when you open the program, or keep it from automatically marking the message read when you click on it |
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00:59.39 | qupada | Renze: you around? |
00:59.59 | Renze | kinda |
01:00.39 | Renze | don't expect any heavy thinking... cold virus is preventing that :) |
01:00.59 | qupada | ah |
01:01.06 | qupada | well the irate customer routine worked |
01:01.11 | qupada | dsl install date is tomorrow |
01:01.35 | Renze | cool :) we will probably have to do the same to get our phone line working properly (it stops working whenever it rains) |
01:02.11 | qupada | i don't think i even want to know how that works |
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01:02.44 | T3hWiz0rd | can anyone here help me figure out why when using dekorator my rounded corners still have points? |
01:03.15 | Renze | 1) dekorator is an ugly hack piece of crap, and 2) you're not using the masks |
01:04.01 | T3hWiz0rd | how can I set the masks? and whats so terrible about dekorator? |
01:04.28 | Renze | I can't answer that, I don't have dekorator installed |
01:04.29 | T3hWiz0rd | ah okay i found the masks setting... but whats so bad about dekorator? |
01:04.44 | T3hWiz0rd | hmmm, but can you answer why you hate it? |
01:05.41 | qupada | the problem is themes can be created properly. it's the old case of 'small file, huge runtime library' |
01:05.50 | Renze | I have yet to see a good dekorator theme, it is unstable, and the config interface fails every interface guideline I can think of... |
01:06.07 | qupada | there are better ways of making themes that don't involve some god-awful extra application to install/run them |
01:06.38 | T3hWiz0rd | I do like some of the themes on it though |
01:06.44 | Renze | yuck |
01:08.35 | T3hWiz0rd | is there anything actually wrong with the way dekorator works? like a resource mongral or something? |
01:08.53 | T3hWiz0rd | Renze: http://sovrad.no-ip.org:8001/misc/snapshots/snapshot1111.png << that doesn't look horrible. |
01:10.17 | Renze | um, yes it is |
01:10.59 | T3hWiz0rd | its a resource mongral? |
01:10.59 | Renze | but that's a matter of personal preference |
01:11.07 | T3hWiz0rd | or my theme is ugly to you? lol |
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01:11.48 | Gorbulas|iBook | hello |
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01:13.14 | Gorbulas|iBook | I am introducing a iMac running Linux into an environment that has been (ab)using Windows as a single user system. Also, the primary users are children. |
01:14.07 | Gorbulas|iBook | I am looking for a way to let them play with customizing and whatever, but make it impossible to break things for other people |
01:14.14 | T3hWiz0rd | god be with that mac lol |
01:14.26 | Gorbulas|iBook | it is not practical to register each user individually |
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01:14.54 | Gorbulas|iBook | is there a way for me to allow users to register themselves with KDM? |
01:15.19 | Gorbulas|iBook | or will I need to make one user account that resets itself between users? |
01:15.41 | Renze | I think the second option would be more easily implemented |
01:15.55 | Gorbulas|iBook | but if I go that way than no settings can be saved |
01:16.00 | Renze | the kdm option would likely require code changes |
01:17.44 | Gorbulas|iBook | are there any other ways I could do it? I would like to make it possible for settings to be saved between sessions |
01:18.26 | Renze | maybe you could rig it so each child had a separate KDEHOME - but that is in no way secure |
01:18.43 | Gorbulas|iBook | and they would still need a way to start that |
01:18.46 | Renze | yes |
01:18.51 | Gorbulas|iBook | they do have floppy disks however |
01:18.54 | Renze | I'm just putting out ideas here |
01:19.04 | Renze | set KDEHOME to the floppy? |
01:19.13 | Gorbulas|iBook | would it be possible for me to rig the log in script so that it loads everything off the floppy? |
01:19.31 | Gorbulas|iBook | and how much room would that take? |
01:19.31 | Renze | I don't see why not |
01:19.53 | Renze | my .kde is not a good example :D |
01:19.58 | Gorbulas|iBook | I would of course need to buffer that so KDE doesn't need to reread the floppy all the time |
01:20.36 | Renze | if you have enough RAM, linux would cache the most often accessed files already |
01:20.37 | Gorbulas|iBook | I had an idea |
01:20.50 | Gorbulas|iBook | what if I can make the authentication be on the floppy |
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01:21.15 | Gorbulas|iBook | so when you log in it does some trickery with the floppy to create your home directory, which is still stored on the hard drive |
01:21.21 | Renze | not sure if that's possible, but it's not something I've ever tried or even considered trying |
01:21.40 | Renze | have a look at the startkde script |
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01:22.44 | Gorbulas|iBook | make it say something like "insert your floppy now and hit enter" |
01:22.56 | Gorbulas|iBook | doh |
01:23.03 | Gorbulas|iBook | the imac doesn't do floppies |
01:23.06 | Gorbulas|iBook | lol |
01:23.20 | Renze | most modern computers don't |
01:23.37 | Renze | the last two machines I've built for myself have been sans floppy drive |
01:23.58 | Gorbulas|iBook | it's an imac g3 from 2000 |
01:24.00 | Renze | flash drives are ubiquitous these days, it semes |
01:24.03 | Renze | seems* |
01:24.18 | Gorbulas|iBook | hmm |
01:24.26 | Renze | floppies should have gone the way of the dodo in the '90s, IMHO |
01:24.32 | Gorbulas|iBook | that means I really need to implement some sort of a log in system |
01:24.44 | Gorbulas|iBook | unless I just nuke everything all the time |
01:25.06 | Renze | you could make a useradd script with a list of students, and set them with a default password they can change on first login |
01:25.21 | Gorbulas|iBook | but I don't have that |
01:25.42 | Gorbulas|iBook | they all get accounts when they move on to the junior high school |
01:25.53 | Renze | hmmm |
01:26.11 | Gorbulas|iBook | also, the imac can't require much maintenance |
01:26.25 | Gorbulas|iBook | user accounts probably need an auto purge feature |
01:26.35 | Renze | I'm out of ideas, I'm afraid |
01:27.01 | Gorbulas|iBook | that floppy thing was a good idea :/ |
01:27.25 | Gorbulas|iBook | maybe someday all the kids will have usb storage devices :) |
01:27.28 | drantin | so use a flash card or thumb drive... |
01:27.29 | Renze | external USB floppy? |
01:27.47 | Theory | Gorbulas|iBook: I recommend creating one user account which is locked down, but has no password set |
01:27.54 | drantin | cheap 32MB cards or thumbdrives... |
01:28.01 | Theory | and on run have it launch a script which lets them create an account |
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01:29.06 | Gorbulas|iBook | and it needs to look presentable :/ |
01:29.19 | Renze | kdialog is your friend |
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01:30.09 | tech9iner | heeez baaack twosouls82 ;]] |
01:30.24 | Gorbulas|iBook | just to make things simple, would it be a good idea to give them no password? none of the users are above 4th grade |
01:30.43 | Renze | it could lead to problems |
01:30.54 | Renze | kids are smarter these days |
01:31.07 | Theory | rather than no password, I'd play with the passwordless login options of kdm if you want that functionality |
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01:31.10 | jk- | hi all |
01:31.17 | Renze | the American grade system means nothing to me... what age? :) |
01:31.31 | Gorbulas|iBook | ummm 9 maybe? |
01:31.54 | jk- | is there some kind of reference for the KJS object model around? |
01:32.11 | twosouls82 | tech9iner: :D |
01:34.53 | jk- | (or anyone know how to access local files through javasript in konq?) |
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01:36.07 | Theory | Gorbulas|iBook: what would be your ideal solution? |
01:36.42 | Tomasu | anyone know a way to make kmail save its maildir files so they are rsync friendly? |
01:37.08 | jk- | Tomasu: they're not rsync friendly at the moment ? |
01:37.12 | Gorbulas|iBook | I want them to be able to do whatever without breaking somebody else's stuff, and be able to keep their customized stuff |
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01:38.00 | Tomasu | jk-: nope, each file is completely transfered instead of just the changed parts (zlib tends to change the entire file once a single byte has changed |
01:38.11 | Tomasu | at least after that byte anyho |
01:38.14 | Tomasu | +w |
01:38.24 | jk- | Tomasu: zlib? the files aren't compressed though? |
01:38.37 | Tomasu | kmail compresses its folders automatically afaik |
01:38.40 | tech9iner | qupada sup ;] |
01:39.03 | jk- | Tomasu: file ~/Mail/inbox/cur/* |
01:39.09 | jk- | they should all be plain text files. |
01:39.21 | jk- | (otherwise it's not maildir format) |
01:39.27 | qupada | hey tech9iner. all my getting angry at the telcos worked. dsl install tomorrow |
01:39.36 | tech9iner | hehe |
01:39.40 | qupada | took them long enough, but at least they've finally given me a date |
01:39.48 | Tomasu | something is making rsync transfer 400MB of "new" changes each time... |
01:39.57 | Renze | qupada: now we wait and see if they turn up :D |
01:40.00 | tech9iner | so pigs DO fly on occasion then qupada ? ;] |
01:40.13 | qupada | Renze: well i won't know... they only have to go to the exchange |
01:40.19 | Gorbulas|iBook | maybe diff doesn't check files that long in rsync |
01:40.23 | jk- | Tomasu: maybe it's just syncing the access time ? |
01:40.33 | Tomasu | file Mail/inbox/cur/* |
01:40.34 | Tomasu | Mail/inbox/cur/*: cannot open `Mail/inbox/cur/*' (No such file or directory) |
01:40.35 | jk- | (and not actualyl transferring any file data) |
01:40.52 | Tomasu | its default rsync, it should be doing the diffs... |
01:40.57 | jk- | Tomasu: replace Mail/inbox with wherever your inbox dir is :) |
01:41.04 | Tomasu | and its literally copying over 400MB of data |
01:41.12 | Tomasu | Mail/inbox/cur exists |
01:41.15 | Tomasu | its just empty |
01:41.19 | jk- | how do you know it's not copying data? |
01:41.22 | qupada | only thing left now is to convert the files of all the conversations with customer services i recorded on my cellphone to a better format and try and spoil someone's day by complaining about them |
01:41.28 | jk- | sorry, how do you know is *is* copying data |
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01:41.34 | Tomasu | jk-: I get emails when it copys the data. |
01:41.53 | jk- | you're rsyncing *to* your local machine ? |
01:42.02 | Tomasu | to my "server" |
01:42.05 | jk- | ok |
01:42.17 | Tomasu | in fact the server rsyncs the data off this machine |
01:42.22 | jk- | and you get an email of the output of the rsync command ? |
01:42.43 | Tomasu | I get a nice table of dirs synced, data coppied and whatnot. |
01:42.47 | jk- | ok |
01:43.33 | jk- | rsync reports both the "total size of the data" and the "total bytes transferred" is it possible that your table includes the wrong number? :) |
01:43.49 | Gorbulas|iBook | there is no way I can do this properly :( |
01:43.57 | Tomasu | jk-: total size is over 2GB |
01:44.02 | Gorbulas|iBook | I suppose I will make it reset between users |
01:44.54 | jk- | anyhow, the answer is no, there's not much you can do to make the maildir more "rsync friendly", it is pretty much optimal how it is. |
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01:45.26 | Tomasu | it seems that its the only folder thats transfering that much data each sync... |
01:45.33 | jk- | the 400MB may just be the amount of changes + dictionary data that needs to be transferred. |
01:45.41 | jk- | Tomasu: because it's a *lot* of small files |
01:45.45 | Tomasu | I know for sure I dont get that much email. |
01:45.57 | Gorbulas|iBook | is it because you are moving things from unread to read or something? |
01:45.58 | Tomasu | each rsync is every 6 hours. |
01:46.00 | jk- | i guess mbox may be more efficitent, one file per folder |
01:46.42 | Tomasu | I still dont see how that many files can be changed when I get new email |
01:46.46 | jk- | Tomasu: it still needs to compare the hashes in each file to what's on the server |
01:46.58 | Tomasu | especially since Mail/inbox/* are empty ;) |
01:47.10 | jk- | find Mail -type f | wc -l ? |
01:47.12 | Tomasu | it builds the hash on each machne afaik |
01:47.19 | jk- | Tomasu: yes, it does |
01:47.28 | Gorbulas|iBook | it should start grouping hashes and hashing the groups |
01:47.29 | jk- | but it still needs to transfer hashes for each file |
01:47.31 | Tomasu | so it only needs to send the hash |
01:47.35 | jk- | yes |
01:47.42 | Tomasu | find Mail -type f | wc -l |
01:47.42 | Tomasu | 53809 |
01:48.23 | jk- | ok, that shouldn't be 400MB then :) |
01:48.30 | Gorbulas|iBook | that's at least 1 MB of hashes |
01:48.39 | Gorbulas|iBook | are the files being renamed? |
01:48.59 | Tomasu | direct copy afaik |
01:49.03 | Gorbulas|iBook | maybe 400Mb lol |
01:49.05 | Gorbulas|iBook | no |
01:49.08 | Gorbulas|iBook | 1Mb |
01:49.31 | Gorbulas|iBook | are they being renamed or moved on the computer that your are syncing from? |
01:49.35 | Tomasu | nope |
01:49.39 | Tomasu | afaik |
01:49.58 | Gorbulas|iBook | why are you syncing a maildir? what's wrong with imap? |
01:50.15 | Tomasu | cause I dont have imap? and this is for backup purposes. |
01:50.21 | Gorbulas|iBook | oh |
01:58.13 | b9d | ffff |
01:58.33 | Renze | 65535? |
01:58.36 | b9d | just checking my remote and it did that |
01:59.08 | Tomasu | ok, I see some occasional "Compacting Folder" messages in kmail's status bar, would that cause the folders to change drastically? |
01:59.37 | Renze | Tomasu: yes |
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02:00.14 | Tomasu | hmm, anyway to make that friendlier to rsync? |
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02:01.31 | Gorbulas|iBook | do you get duplicate messages after kmail does this and your resync? |
02:02.12 | Tomasu | well, I get email pretty often, so it has to re compact stuff |
02:02.13 | Gorbulas|iBook | it might actually be a good idea to try making your mail directory read only, and run the sync as a different user that can write there |
02:02.19 | Tomasu | and the sync only happens every 6 hours |
02:03.03 | Tomasu | last time my mail dir was readonly kmail had a fit. |
02:03.06 | Gorbulas|iBook | kmail probably recompacts everything after each sync |
02:03.17 | Tomasu | the sync keeps the times afaik |
02:04.23 | Gorbulas|iBook | but is it possible that when kmail compacts the mail that it makes it necessary for rsync to recopy those files? |
02:04.59 | Tomasu | looks like it. if kmail reorganises things to such a degree that it changes many of them, yes rsync will have to recopy them |
02:06.29 | Gorbulas|iBook | it's not a very good solution, but you could make rsync sync to a different directory, and then run a mail server application on that computer to get your mail? |
02:07.03 | Tomasu | I used to run a mail server on my "server", but I haven't set it up since the last disk failed. |
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02:07.44 | Gorbulas|iBook | but if you are running the mail server on the local machine you would still be creating backups, and kmail wouldn't be compacting your mail |
02:07.50 | Gorbulas|iBook | at least I hope not |
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02:08.08 | Gorbulas|iBook | it is possible that compacting involves removing extra headers from messages |
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02:08.19 | Gorbulas|iBook | which can be done over imap afaik |
02:08.25 | ykphuah | in kopete, multi party chat in MSN does not trigger notification! is this the correct place to ask? |
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02:09.09 | Gorbulas|iBook | ykphuah: I think the idea is that if you join a large chat room you don't want a notice everytime somebody says anything |
02:09.20 | Tomasu | for now, living with the extra few hundred MB transfer will have to do... |
02:09.25 | Renze | ykphuah: it should only trigger notification if your name is mentioned... is this happening? |
02:09.27 | Gorbulas|iBook | there isn't a channel like #kopete? |
02:09.38 | Tomasu | I wonder if maybe mbox would be a fix? |
02:09.45 | Tomasu | probably not |
02:09.46 | ykphuah | Gorbulas|iBook: yahoo chat seems to be ok, is there a way to make it trigger anyhow? i usually participate in a 3 way conference. |
02:10.08 | ykphuah | Renze: yes it only triggers when there's my name, but yahoo chat triggers anyhow, and that's the behaviour I like. |
02:10.22 | Gorbulas|iBook | I don't remember Kopete having any notification system(probably wasn't implemented when I last used it) |
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02:10.38 | Renze | Gorbulas|iBook: it has had a notification system for a very long time |
02:10.49 | Gorbulas|iBook | I haven't used it for a very long time |
02:10.57 | Renze | it uses KDE's knotify |
02:11.19 | ykphuah | hmm, let me try the "A message marked with a low prioiryt has been received" event |
02:11.34 | Gorbulas|iBook | sounds a lot like Growl |
02:11.44 | Renze | growl? |
02:12.08 | Gorbulas|iBook | http://gowl.info/ |
02:12.24 | Gorbulas|iBook | grr |
02:12.32 | Gorbulas|iBook | http://growl.info/ |
02:12.46 | ykphuah | on, that's the event I need to enable, thanks Renze Gorbulas|iBook :P |
02:12.50 | ykphuah | on=oh |
02:13.02 | Renze | cool |
02:13.15 | ykphuah | low priority ... lol |
02:13.24 | ykphuah | how come yahoo's chat is not low priority |
02:14.31 | Renze | different protocol |
02:14.59 | Renze | different authors |
02:15.06 | b9d | before kde 3.5 we had option to keep password? how to get that back? |
02:15.26 | Renze | keep password for what? |
02:15.40 | b9d | like im using suse yast |
02:15.50 | Renze | uh? |
02:15.58 | Renze | you mean root password? |
02:16.07 | b9d | yup! |
02:16.17 | b9d | for session only |
02:16.17 | Renze | then why didn't you say so? |
02:16.29 | b9d | me dont know |
02:16.36 | Renze | I think it was changed because it was a gaping security hole |
02:17.01 | b9d | but they should give people option to keep it? |
02:17.01 | Tomasu | but I thought everyone loved gaping security holes :o |
02:17.35 | Renze | Tomasu: only Windows users :D |
02:17.40 | Tomasu | oohh |
02:17.45 | Tomasu | ;) |
02:17.46 | b9d | not me but am good with that |
02:18.21 | b9d | its cool |
02:19.14 | Gorbulas|iBook | wow |
02:19.29 | Gorbulas|iBook | kde is so much faster now that the sound system is disabled |
02:19.48 | Renze | you'll find it's more stable too |
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02:19.59 | Renze | artsd is crashtastic! |
02:20.10 | Gorbulas|iBook | before I was having problems with windows freezing for a second as they open or close |
02:21.45 | Gorbulas|iBook | why does the search icon in Konqueror remind me of Slashdot? |
02:21.52 | Gorbulas|iBook | lol |
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02:25.19 | Dirus | how does notunes know what mp3s to play when you press play? |
02:26.02 | Renze | I assume you mean Noatun, and it depends on which playlist plugin you're using |
02:26.11 | Dirus | ah |
02:26.19 | Dirus | it's building a playlist as I open files |
02:26.28 | Dirus | I got a bunch of sound effects in there heh |
02:26.59 | Dirus | why are things like videos associated with noatun? |
02:27.10 | Renze | because noatun can play video |
02:27.18 | Dirus | oh, just doesn't work on amd64? |
02:27.30 | drantin | noatun thinks it can play videos... |
02:27.43 | Renze | no idea, I don't have 64bit, and I haven't built noatun in a looooooong time. Amarok is so much better |
02:27.48 | Dirus | I tried a bunch of different formats and couldn't get it to play any |
02:27.57 | Dirus | yeah amarok is great |
02:28.04 | Dirus | better than anything in windows even |
02:28.32 | Renze | I wouldn't know, I haven't used windows since 1998 :) |
02:28.41 | Dirus | and k3b is also better than anything in windows |
02:28.46 | Dirus | and both are kde apps |
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02:35.18 | Dirus | there's nothing in the kde help about the two other playlist plugins noatun uses |
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02:35.30 | Dirus | there's Dub and Oblique |
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02:37.45 | b9d | its true we can run gnome apps in kde? |
02:38.02 | Dirus | if you have the right libraries installed |
02:38.10 | b9d | om gracia |
02:38.14 | Dirus | you can even use gtk-engine-qt to make it look like kde |
02:38.36 | b9d | do i have create link to the gnome app? |
02:39.26 | Renze | the kmenu is not the only way to start apps |
02:39.48 | b9d | coming from windoze whada u expect |
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02:40.31 | b9d | why i can't change the prompt color in konsole? thx |
02:40.34 | drantin | that's gtk-engines-qt |
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02:41.02 | Renze | b9d: the prompt color depends on what command shell you're using, not the container. konsole is just a container. |
02:41.44 | b9d | i was using mepis i could change it with schemes but not in suse |
02:42.13 | Renze | chances are mepis came with appropriate bash scripts for setting prompt colours, and suse doesn't |
02:42.38 | b9d | anyhow is dificult to do that in suse? |
02:42.48 | Renze | no idea, I've never used suse |
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02:43.06 | b9d | ok thnxz a buch! |
02:43.14 | b9d | i meant bunch |
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02:47.03 | i07 | how do I change my resolution? I tried but the res I wanted: 12?0 1024 wasnt an option there was only 8?0 640 and 640 400 |
02:47.44 | Renze | set up X properly, and it will be available |
02:48.02 | Renze | but X is not KDE's responsibility |
02:48.02 | i07 | alright |
02:48.43 | i07 | Renze, how would I go about making my computer start KDE on startup? |
02:48.59 | Renze | that is distribution specific |
02:49.03 | Renze | ask in your distro channel |
02:49.09 | i07 | Okay thank you |
02:49.28 | drantin | rc-update add kdm default / rc.update.d add kdm default <--something like one of those, or similar... |
02:49.43 | Renze | not all distros use those |
02:50.14 | drantin | i07: after getting x configured, don't forget krandrtray... |
02:50.52 | i07 | kr and rtray? |
02:52.37 | drantin | no spaces |
02:52.41 | drantin | it's a program |
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02:56.29 | Dirus | i07 and for resolutions search your xorg.conf for the other resolutions shown and add 1280x1024 there |
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02:58.57 | kcbanner | what is the DVD/CD iso iimage burner in KDE |
02:58.57 | JordiGH | I just heard that kate can have emacs-like keybindings. Is this true? |
02:59.35 | i07 | Dirus thanks |
02:59.35 | ezzep | Kcbanner--it's K3B. |
03:00.11 | kcbanner | ugh thats a huge emerge |
03:00.22 | kcbanner | how can I burn an iso image from the command line |
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03:02.01 | drantin | cdrecord? |
03:04.00 | kcbanner | right thanks |
03:04.02 | ezzep | yeah i think that's the one |
03:04.23 | paradocs | or try growisofs |
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03:10.05 | Tomasu | anyone here using "Simon Edwards"s patches for kio stuff? |
03:10.26 | Renze | who? |
03:10.38 | Tomasu | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2231 |
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03:14.33 | i07 | sweet I took a walk down the street and there was a box with a cpu and monitor with a cd drive too |
03:14.35 | i07 | SCORE |
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03:16.51 | JordiGH | Put FreeBSD on it! |
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03:44.18 | Dr_Malk | does anyone know how to get .exe's to show their icons? |
03:44.34 | Dr_Malk | I found something on kde-apps.org about it. But I can't get it to work |
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03:52.45 | drantin | Dr_Malk: haven't gotten pe thumbnail to work myself yet... |
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03:53.21 | Dr_Malk | has anyone? It shouldn't be there if it doesn't work at all. lol |
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03:56.12 | gruen0 | how can I get KDE to use my ssh keys when opening an sftp connection? (kde-3.5.4) |
03:57.17 | hagabaka | ugh, why does KDict's query box have to have a minimum width of over 400px? |
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04:02.49 | gruen0 | gruen0, if the keys are set up properly, when it asks for your account password, it is actually asking for the key's password |
04:02.53 | gruen0 | gruen0, thanks |
04:02.57 | gruen0 | gruen0, np =) |
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04:03.26 | Renze | nothing like a little schizophrenia, huh? :D |
04:03.43 | JordiGH | bash.org |
04:04.23 | JordiGH | Or better, qdb.us :-) |
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04:06.29 | ObsidianX | anybody here use KXDocker? |
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04:27.15 | aglio2 | having an interesting issue with Kmail ... I elected not to use Kwallet, and whenever I do almost anything, it warns me that I'm not using kwallet ... sometimes 2-3 times in a row |
04:27.21 | aglio2 | how do I turn this "feature" off? |
04:30.52 | aglio2 | is there a better channel for this? |
04:31.07 | Renze | you could try #kontact |
04:31.14 | aglio2 | ok |
04:31.16 | drantin | better time more like? chat died out... |
04:31.54 | aglio2 | eh, I guess I'll ask for help tommorrow |
04:31.59 | aglio2 | at Linuxworld |
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04:56.15 | cunzhang | hi,how can I set doubleclick to close the current page in konqueror? |
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04:59.42 | cunzhang | is there anybody who can help me? |
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05:00.28 | cunzhang | I can't find an answer via google |
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05:07.38 | ykphuah | cunzhang: double click where? |
05:07.51 | ykphuah | cunzhang: on the title or on the konqueror tab? |
05:08.01 | cunzhang | ykphuah,on the konqueror tab |
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05:08.15 | ykphuah | let me see. |
05:08.41 | cunzhang | ykphuah,I don't like using Ctrl+w to do it |
05:08.59 | ykphuah | cunzhang: i usually click the close button on the far right |
05:09.02 | ykphuah | cunzhang: not used to that? |
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05:10.01 | cunzhang | ykphuah,yes,I know that way |
05:10.45 | cunzhang | but can I do it through doubleclicking? |
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05:12.26 | ykphuah | cunzhang: lol, i don't think there's a way |
05:12.34 | ykphuah | cunzhang: what's wrong with the close button? |
05:12.59 | cunzhang | ykphuah,thank you all the same! |
05:13.14 | cunzhang | ykphuah,nothing wrong with it |
05:13.18 | ykphuah | cunzhang: the close button can be moved into the tab, so you don't need to move your mouse to the far right to click on it |
05:13.34 | ykphuah | cunzhang: are you aware of that? |
05:13.57 | cunzhang | I don't know this |
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05:14.30 | ykphuah | oops, did I confuse this with firefox. |
05:14.33 | ykphuah | any kde experts here? :P |
05:15.42 | cunzhang | ykphuah,let me try to find it via google kde.org.Maybe I can find it.thank you! |
05:16.10 | ykphuah | cunzhang: are you from mac or something? |
05:16.34 | cunzhang | ykphuah,I use windows at the same time. |
05:16.40 | cunzhang | ykphuah,I use Windows at the same time. |
05:18.16 | ykphuah | cunzhang: hmm, seems that there's a firefox plugin that does exactly what you want, but that's for firefox. :P |
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05:19.59 | Shirakawasuna | cunzhang: whatcha want? |
05:20.23 | cunzhang | Shirakawasuna,whatcha?? |
05:20.29 | Shirakawasuna | yeah, what do you want? :) |
05:21.12 | cunzhang | Shirakawasuna,I want to close a tab using doubleclicking on the tab in konqueror |
05:21.35 | cunzhang | but I can't find where I can set it. |
05:21.46 | Shirakawasuna | probably not an option |
05:22.00 | Shirakawasuna | you can put in a feature request at bugs.kde.org and someone will yell at you if it already exists |
05:22.01 | Shirakawasuna | :) |
05:22.59 | cunzhang | thank you! |
05:23.03 | cunzhang | :) |
05:23.25 | ykphuah | wow |
05:23.34 | ykphuah | we actually do that? :P |
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05:24.04 | cunzhang | I just find :Middle Click on Tab to Close in Konqueror (KDE 3.4) |
05:24.05 | cunzhang | <PROTECTED> |
05:24.05 | cunzhang | <PROTECTED> |
05:24.05 | cunzhang | <PROTECTED> |
05:24.35 | cunzhang | \me sorry,I flood |
05:24.45 | cunzhang | :) |
05:24.49 | ykphuah | oh |
05:24.51 | ykphuah | so u found it? |
05:24.57 | ykphuah | cool |
05:25.22 | Shirakawasuna | cool |
05:25.47 | Shirakawasuna | I just use ctrl+W |
05:25.47 | cunzhang | ykphuah,but it's not I want,just like I want. |
05:26.09 | cunzhang | I set the second key A |
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05:27.35 | wally123 | How can i add a context menu to konqueror ? |
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05:43.30 | cunzhang | ykphuah,Shirakawasuna,konqueror can't do that via setting,in Magiclinux,they patch konqueror so that doubleclicking can close a tab.But I can't find that patch,hehe |
05:43.44 | ykphuah | oh |
05:44.08 | ykphuah | cunzhang: did it make it into the CVS? |
05:44.13 | ykphuah | cunzhang: what distro are you using? |
05:44.29 | cunzhang | ykphuah,I use debian sid |
05:44.41 | benJIman | middle click is paste usually ykphuah , hence having middle click closing tabs is counter-intuitive |
05:44.42 | cunzhang | I don't think so. |
05:45.12 | ykphuah | benJIman: its not me who requested it... :P |
05:45.19 | benJIman | but you can add it there in the config file |
05:45.36 | ykphuah | cunzhang: hey, here -> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82957 |
05:45.38 | benJIman | cunzhang: middle click pastes onto pretty much every single kde widget, why should tabbar in one application be different? |
05:45.39 | ykphuah | cunzhang: nothing about magiclinux |
05:45.41 | cunzhang | benJIman,I know that. |
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05:46.02 | ykphuah | cunzhang: since kde 3.2! |
05:46.07 | ykphuah | cunzhang: you tried and it doesn't work? |
05:46.07 | thegh0st | how can I change the qt theme without installing kde? |
05:46.17 | benJIman | cunzhang: it does work (the config file setting) I tried it |
05:46.20 | thegh0st | nothing against kde, but im in fbsd, and thats a REALLY long compile :P |
05:46.50 | benJIman | thegh0st: use qtconfig |
05:46.55 | thegh0st | kk thanks :d |
05:47.06 | cunzhang | benJIma,oh |
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05:47.22 | thegh0st | whats the really nice qt theme kde uses as default? |
05:47.26 | ykphuah | cunzhang: |
05:47.30 | cunzhang | ykphuah,I don't try it. |
05:47.36 | benJIman | thegh0st: plastik, the Qt only version is called plastique |
05:47.52 | thegh0st | oh okay |
05:48.06 | thegh0st | ill check fbsd ports |
05:48.57 | cunzhang | ykphuah,Magic Linux is a linux distro using Chinese Language |
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05:49.18 | ykphuah | cunzhang: just try it, maybe it works |
05:49.25 | benJIman | ykphuah: it does |
05:49.31 | cunzhang | ok,thank you |
05:49.48 | ykphuah | benJIman: does what? |
05:49.55 | thegh0st | http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8PYZ6YOR |
05:49.59 | thegh0st | whoops |
05:50.00 | thegh0st | sorry |
05:50.02 | ykphuah | benJIman: tell that to cunzhang please. :P |
05:50.03 | benJIman | the setting to allow middle-click-close of tabs |
05:50.04 | thegh0st | http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/images/eric3-screen-2.png |
05:50.08 | thegh0st | is that plastik? |
05:50.26 | benJIman | thegh0st: looks like lipstik |
05:50.53 | thegh0st | http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/images/eric3-screen-1.png |
05:51.02 | thegh0st | whats the qt-only vesion of lipstik? |
05:51.10 | cunzhang | benJIman,ykphuah,I find it via google.Thank you very much. |
05:51.12 | benJIman | don't know if there is one |
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05:51.22 | Renze | there is, but I can't remember the name |
05:51.22 | benJIman | cunzhang: ykphuah just told you how todo it ,arn't you listening |
05:51.27 | thegh0st | http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/images/eric3-screen-3.png a better way to tell |
05:51.41 | cunzhang | benJIman,I'm listening |
05:52.00 | Renze | thegh0st: that is definitely lipstik |
05:52.07 | thegh0st | kk |
05:52.18 | thegh0st | do I have to have KDE to use lipstik? |
05:52.25 | mobtek_ | yes |
05:52.27 | Renze | yes |
05:52.33 | benJIman | kdelibs |
05:52.39 | thegh0st | is there a qt only version of it? |
05:52.48 | thegh0st | oh well, I can handle compiling only kdelibs |
05:53.08 | thegh0st | how long of a compile is it? |
05:53.22 | benJIman | there are binary packages you could use ? |
05:53.27 | Renze | depends on your gcc version, your cpu speed, and how much ram you have |
05:53.33 | thegh0st | 512mb ram |
05:53.39 | thegh0st | Dual Xeon 2.2's |
05:53.49 | thegh0st | gcc version 3.4.4 [FreeBSD] 20050518 |
05:53.57 | Alikus | hello to all. How can I remove some items in Sart menu. Where is the config file? |
05:54.24 | benJIman | Alikus: right click -> edit |
05:54.26 | Renze | Alikus: right click the K icon, select Menu Editor |
05:55.14 | Alikus | It doesn't for with one item if I use Menu Editor |
05:55.16 | cunzhang | I also do it in this way |
05:55.26 | Alikus | What about the config file? |
05:55.38 | Renze | there is no one config file |
05:55.43 | Alikus | *doesn't work |
05:55.56 | Alikus | really? |
05:55.56 | Renze | the menu consists of dozens of files in various locations |
05:56.01 | cunzhang | Alikus,u can edit every items via it |
05:56.21 | Alikus | hum... |
05:56.33 | Renze | Alikus: which item do you want to remove? |
05:56.38 | cunzhang | I think it's also a good way |
05:56.59 | Renze | everything below "Actions" is not a menu item |
05:57.03 | Alikus | Is it only one way for change Start Menu? |
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05:58.42 | Alikus | Gwenview - It shows in menu again when I remove it |
05:59.25 | thegh0st | k im just installing kdelibs via ports |
06:00.47 | Renze | ha ha, dell's exploding laptops :D |
06:01.02 | Alikus | :( |
06:01.18 | thegh0st | anyone in here use FreeBSD? |
06:01.30 | Renze | Alikus: do you want to remove gwenview from your menu, or uninstall it? |
06:01.33 | cunzhang | Alikus,when u change anything,u should save it. |
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06:02.04 | Alikus | I've saved it, but I show again :( |
06:02.11 | thegh0st | n/m |
06:02.16 | thegh0st | lipstik is in ports |
06:02.26 | thegh0st | once i getit installed can I change it to lipstick via qtconfig? |
06:02.33 | Renze | yes |
06:02.55 | thegh0st | kk good :d |
06:03.10 | thegh0st | if im working on eric3, I at least need a nice environment to work in rofl |
06:03.12 | Alikus | Renze: It's onlyu emty Item. It's name Gwenview. I don't no why. |
06:03.35 | Renze | Alikus: neither do I. the menu editor works fine for me. |
06:03.50 | chakie_work | how good is eric compared to, say, emacs for pyqt development? |
06:03.55 | Alikus | :( |
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06:04.43 | Alikus | There is phantome item really :) |
06:05.11 | Alikus | <PROTECTED> |
06:05.25 | Alikus | *It |
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06:21.14 | T3hWiz0rd | theres a way to get the file bar like os x in kde right? |
06:21.38 | lunitik | chakie_work: I'd say its far superior for that task... its developed with pyqt in mind... its an IDE for pyqt... emacs is just a rich featured... text editor |
06:21.43 | ObsidianX | T3hWiz0rd: the top one? |
06:21.46 | ObsidianX | or the bottom one |
06:21.47 | ObsidianX | ;P |
06:21.51 | T3hWiz0rd | ObsidianX: the top os x bar |
06:21.53 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: yes |
06:22.01 | ObsidianX | yeah go to desktop settings |
06:22.02 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: where is it in the kcontrol? |
06:22.24 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: KControl > Desktop > Behavior ... like right in the middle |
06:22.25 | chakie_work | lunitik: i mostly meant how buggy is it? will i loose my stuff every now and then? emacs crashes once every 5 years |
06:22.49 | Renze | chakie_work: emacs crashes that often? :D |
06:22.51 | lunitik | chakie_work: you won't lose any stuff if you save regularly :/ |
06:22.54 | chakie_work | lunitik: does it have code editing features that emacs doesn't have? refactoring that works? completion? |
06:22.55 | ObsidianX | anybody here use KXDocker? |
06:23.02 | chakie_work | Renze: well, no :) |
06:23.22 | chakie_work | lunitik: you use it? |
06:23.25 | T3hWiz0rd | hmm can anyone steer me to where i can find the top menu similar to os x's? |
06:23.37 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: I just did >:| |
06:23.41 | ObsidianX | you could use a superkaramba script |
06:23.46 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: doh sorry |
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06:23.59 | ObsidianX | if you dont like the one kde provides |
06:24.06 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: now can you add the system tray to it? heh |
06:24.16 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: yes... its a normal panel |
06:24.21 | Renze | T3hWiz0rd: right click, add applet |
06:24.32 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: lock and uplock panels to move it too ;) |
06:25.07 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: I have settings menu, system tray, and clock on that panel... looks nice :D |
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06:26.07 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: im trying to set it up to feel like os x without like |
06:26.09 | T3hWiz0rd | ripping off the look |
06:26.11 | T3hWiz0rd | i hate ripoff looks |
06:26.20 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: ok :/ |
06:26.25 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: thanks for telling me? |
06:27.22 | T3hWiz0rd | is there a way to disable the menus on the actual windows now thogh? so that file and sessions and stuff no longer show up? |
06:27.37 | lunitik | http://members.cox.net/lunitik/screenshot.png <-- my desktop ... most say its more like Windows than OS X... whatever |
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06:28.41 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: that is default action... make sure you selected "Current applications menu bar (Mac OS-style)" |
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06:28.54 | lunitik | Not "Desktop menu bar" |
06:29.25 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: hmmm.... |
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06:29.47 | T3hWiz0rd | ahh nicceee |
06:29.58 | T3hWiz0rd | now to det the taskbar to shrink and only show minimized applications |
06:30.14 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: both possible... have fun |
06:30.24 | T3hWiz0rd | i know that is |
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06:32.14 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: can you make it magnify?? lol |
06:32.30 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: no idea... probably? |
06:33.39 | T3hWiz0rd | hmmm the taskbar won't resize to 1% when its not selected |
06:33.43 | AegeanLinux_ | lunitik: Gnome is for the blind peoples |
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06:33.59 | lunitik | Talking to a blind person about ksayit and kttsd was most enlightening... |
06:34.10 | lunitik | AegeanLinux_: whatever, KDE should support them too |
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06:34.56 | lunitik | AegeanLinux_: I'd stop using KDE if my Aunt and sister (both going blind) couldn't function on my desktop. |
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06:35.55 | AegeanLinux | lunitik: Surly just +++ the font size would do, or is it thet my Acesibility views are Warped ? |
06:36.03 | lunitik | Kinda dumb having a talk back feature that you have to be able to see to use... apparently open source devs should look into Speakeasy. |
06:36.24 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: large text does nothing when you're entirely blind :/ |
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06:36.59 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: *sigh* of course gtk apps don't respect it do they? lol |
06:37.00 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: you should stick to trying to be a distro maintainer rather than commenting on things you don't know about |
06:37.22 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: no |
06:37.30 | T3hWiz0rd | I hate that about htem |
06:37.34 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: annoying really too... |
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06:37.39 | T3hWiz0rd | yes, it is lol |
06:37.51 | AegeanLinux | lunitik: I was only giving my Point of View |
06:38.04 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: surprisingly, wine apps don't either ;) |
06:38.06 | T3hWiz0rd | hey another thing lunitik... is there a way to set it so that the background i selected for kde folders doesn't tile? |
06:38.30 | sajid | is there a way to change the color of the titlebar in an active window? |
06:38.39 | sajid | im using SuSe and i cant change it from blue |
06:38.44 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: your point of view is irrelevant because you have no idea what you're talking about... so here's me politely asking you to shut up again: shut the fuck up |
06:38.54 | sajid | i know how to change the style of it, but in all of them, its blue |
06:38.56 | Renze | sajid: stop using the default suse windeco |
06:39.09 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: http://sovrad.no-ip.org:8001/misc/snapshots/snapshot116.png whatcha think? |
06:39.13 | benJIman | sajid: kcontrol -> appearance and themes -> colours |
06:39.29 | lunitik | sajid: yes... just change the theme colors ^^ |
06:39.35 | sajid | ha ok |
06:39.41 | sajid | i feel like i must not have dug around enough |
06:39.42 | sajid | whoops |
06:39.53 | benJIman | works fine with the default suse decoration |
06:40.19 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: I think its your desktop, so entirely up to you ;) |
06:40.28 | T3hWiz0rd | just askin whatcha u think of it |
06:41.03 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: its nice I suppose, I don't really like the theme though... |
06:41.14 | T3hWiz0rd | heh not one for scenes? |
06:41.32 | benJIman | T3hWiz0rd: why not use kopete? |
06:41.37 | lunitik | I don't even notice desktop backgrounds |
06:41.39 | T3hWiz0rd | benJIman: i like good programs :-P |
06:41.40 | benJIman | gaim won't respect your menubar thing etc |
06:41.44 | benJIman | T3hWiz0rd: kopete rules |
06:41.49 | T3hWiz0rd | I don't like kopete |
06:41.52 | T3hWiz0rd | I just... I don't... |
06:41.57 | benJIman | any particular reason? |
06:41.59 | T3hWiz0rd | gaim and fox are the two gtk apps I won't give up |
06:41.59 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: Kopete is superior to Gaim... even Sean Egan said it :D |
06:42.06 | T3hWiz0rd | of course, I just don't like it... |
06:42.06 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/kopete.png |
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06:42.28 | T3hWiz0rd | benJIman: i know what it looks like, even how it functions |
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06:42.35 | T3hWiz0rd | I just don't like it, iunno... personal thing. |
06:42.51 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: what don't you like about it? |
06:42.55 | T3hWiz0rd | i liked its os x sister program and i just prefer that |
06:43.07 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: just the way it functions and iunno, im just used to gaim |
06:43.14 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: tell me you didn't just say Adium is a sister app to Gaim :/ |
06:43.20 | T3hWiz0rd | lets stick to each their own eh? i use kde for everything but my IM services and browsing. |
06:43.25 | benJIman | lunitik: adium uses libgaim |
06:43.28 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: I was used to Gaim too... but Kopete is better |
06:43.39 | benJIman | you don't use konqueror for browsing? |
06:43.41 | T3hWiz0rd | i'm not arguing whether or not its better for some people. |
06:43.43 | T3hWiz0rd | and no, I don't. |
06:43.45 | lunitik | benJIman: it does? I didn't know that? docs about that? |
06:43.51 | T3hWiz0rd | I personally dislike konq a lot. |
06:43.57 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: check their website, its advertised. |
06:44.11 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: http://adiumx.com/ << right at the bottom... "powered by libgaim" |
06:44.37 | lunitik | benJIman: I use Firefox too... because for many sites, Firefox is genuinely superior ... |
06:44.51 | benJIman | lunitik: I don't find so |
06:44.57 | T3hWiz0rd | now look I have no intention of switching from gaim... so benJIman I respect you like kopete, respect my taking to gaim :-) thanks |
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06:45.39 | lunitik | benJIman: then you don't do things like browse porn... or go on sites like myspace etc... |
06:45.49 | lunitik | Renze: shush... ;P |
06:46.04 | T3hWiz0rd | Renze: i use kde for everything but two functions. |
06:46.23 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: your taking to gaim is unwarranted... although using firefox makes sense |
06:46.23 | Renze | T3hWiz0rd: I use KDE for everything but one function, and that is image processing |
06:46.44 | Renze | krita shows promise, but it's not there yet |
06:46.50 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: Kopete offers more features, its interface is nicer... its just better overall, and fits into a KDE desktop better |
06:46.51 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: its just preference, and until it gives me a reason to switch, IE, something i dislike about it... I am settled on it. |
06:47.08 | benJIman | I have to use firefox on windows, but it's instability and lack of konqueror's access keys feature makes it a pain to use |
06:47.17 | lunitik | Renze: Krita is there for me feature wise... then I'm no graphics guru |
06:47.32 | benJIman | have to use windows at work |
06:47.41 | Renze | lunitik: it's quite lacking in features for what I do, so I have no choice but to Gimp. |
06:47.59 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: your preference sucks... I don't even think you're giving Kopete a chance |
06:48.26 | benJIman | lunitik: no need for that |
06:48.32 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: name one thing you like about Gaim, and its probably better implemented in Kopete |
06:48.38 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: you are in no justifiable place to make such a statement. Simply because you dislike something does not make it "suck". And frankly, your one-sidedness makes me sick. |
06:48.49 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: not to mention, it actually *has* voice and video functionality |
06:48.49 | T3hWiz0rd | I don't need to justify myself to you. Silence. |
06:49.13 | T3hWiz0rd | I answer to a higher power... Myself, I only justify to myself. |
06:49.23 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: I used to talk to Sean Egan regularly, and he admits Gaim is playing catchup today... |
06:49.41 | lunitik | Sean is the head developer for Gaim |
06:49.49 | T3hWiz0rd | O RLY? |
06:49.59 | T3hWiz0rd | i guess using gaim makes me stupid or something... thank you for pointing that one out. |
06:50.17 | T3hWiz0rd | well now I have a new reason to not use kopete. Your cockiness has detered me from wanting to use it. |
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06:50.34 | lunitik | is better than anything |
06:50.45 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: thats fine... |
06:51.18 | T3hWiz0rd | its really not your place to tell me what i should use. Its mine, I use this system. What _I_ feel comfortable with is _all_ that matters to me. |
06:51.36 | lunitik | If you don't wish to take my word for it, stick to Gaim |
06:51.49 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: i've gone back and forth the two apps over and over. |
06:52.10 | T3hWiz0rd | I don't like how kopete seperates my accounts by colours, i prefer the regular icons from the IM service. |
06:52.20 | T3hWiz0rd | I don't like the ammount of trouble i have to go through just to make it feel like gaim |
06:52.30 | T3hWiz0rd | nor do I like its bullshit broke transparency... |
06:52.31 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: Only thing that used to bother me about Kopete was the way it handles meta-contacts... but thats been fixed |
06:52.32 | benJIman | T3hWiz0rd: it only colours them if you tick the use different colour checkbox |
06:52.50 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: thats default action... you don't have to accept different colors... |
06:52.55 | T3hWiz0rd | and also, I don't like application telling me i can't be on my own buddy list |
06:52.56 | benJIman | lunitik: fixed? it's been the same for many versions |
06:52.59 | T3hWiz0rd | no fucking program tells me what I can do |
06:53.22 | benJIman | T3hWiz0rd: thato nly doesn't work with aim |
06:53.26 | benJIman | and hardly anyone uses aim do they? |
06:53.30 | T3hWiz0rd | benJIman: well i only use aim. |
06:53.41 | lunitik | benJIman: the way you had to right click > Change meta-contact ... now you just drag the protocol icon around... I believe that was a 0.12 change |
06:53.48 | benJIman | lunitik: no it's been there for years |
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06:54.23 | zamolxes | hi. there was an app for organizing images (like picassa) but I can't remember the name.. Can you help me refresh my memory? Thanks |
06:54.29 | T3hWiz0rd | i also like gaims spellchecking system a bit better than kopetes, which is just a pain in my rump. |
06:54.31 | benJIman | zamolxes: there are several for kde |
06:54.45 | Renze | zamolxes: gwenview? digikam? |
06:54.46 | benJIman | T3hWiz0rd: kopete just highlights spelling errors in red like any kde app |
06:54.54 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: All KDE apps use the same spell checking. |
06:54.58 | zamolxes | probably digikam :) thanks |
06:55.05 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: yes, and the one gtk apps use are better frankly. |
06:55.07 | Renze | no problem |
06:55.15 | T3hWiz0rd | right click to correct instead of launch a spell checker *gag* |
06:55.41 | Renze | people need spell checkers for IM? nobody can spell on IM :D |
06:55.57 | T3hWiz0rd | Renze: i just sometimes make typeos on large words heh. |
06:56.07 | lunitik | Renze: that's exactly why they should use it |
06:56.07 | T3hWiz0rd | and I don't use IM slang. Or at least, i do my best to avoid using it. |
06:57.00 | benJIman | if you can type there's no reason to use abbreviations |
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06:57.36 | lunitik | benJIman: I type only like 70-80 wpm ... trying to maintain 5-6 convo's in IM with other fast typers is difficult |
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06:59.22 | lunitik | Maybe if you're only talking to one person at a time, there is no reason for abbreviations though... |
07:00.00 | T3hWiz0rd | lunitik: I am a bit jerky on IM lol. Always get snotty about people IMing me if they can call me. |
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07:00.32 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: I find multiple people on the phone more confusing :( |
07:00.55 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: easier to just talk via IM, then they all think they have all your attention ;) |
07:00.59 | Renze | lunitik: never done conference calling? :D |
07:01.13 | lunitik | Renze: I have... had like 11 people on the same phone... confusing |
07:01.21 | T3hWiz0rd | Renze: i live on those... with about 30-40+ people on them |
07:01.35 | T3hWiz0rd | Renze: but our rules are simple.. You mute your phone unless spoken to or in need of speaking. |
07:01.36 | Renze | T3hWiz0rd: on the phone? |
07:01.39 | T3hWiz0rd | Renze: yeah |
07:01.40 | Renze | ah |
07:01.48 | Renze | weird |
07:01.54 | T3hWiz0rd | heh. Regional calls. |
07:02.01 | Renze | still weird |
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07:02.08 | T3hWiz0rd | we go down statistics, the guidelines, then a Q&A at the end. |
07:02.10 | lunitik | T3hWiz0rd: meh... that 11 person call... all friends, about 4-5 convo's at the same time |
07:03.28 | lunitik | s/cook dinner/microwave something/ :P |
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07:38.11 | thegh0st | does lipstik theme require the kde-base ot be installed? |
07:38.13 | thegh0st | or just kdelibs |
07:38.26 | AegeanLinux | thegh0st: kdelibs I believe |
07:38.42 | thegh0st | kk well ports is trying to comile kde-base on me :\ |
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07:39.23 | AegeanLinux | (?) Strange. I thought that lipstick was just an Qt Style |
07:39.39 | Renze | no, it's a kde style |
07:39.47 | Renze | there is a difference |
07:39.49 | thegh0st | yeh, it requires kde-base I guess |
07:39.56 | thegh0st | but the friggen build failed :'( |
07:40.11 | AegeanLinux | Renze: I understand that, but still wouldn't it just need kde-libs then ? |
07:40.29 | Renze | maybe it's bad dependencies in ports? |
07:40.35 | thegh0st | not sure :\ |
07:41.19 | AegeanLinux | thegh0st: my lipstik was built without kdebase being installed, For your information ;) |
07:41.59 | thegh0st | AegeanLinux: do you have FBSD or.. ? |
07:42.10 | AegeanLinux | The Nix ;) |
07:42.27 | thegh0st | The nix doesnt really help rofl |
07:42.51 | AegeanLinux | I use my own Distro, AegeanLinux (http://www.aegeanlinux.be) |
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07:43.05 | AegeanLinux | The Nix == Linux |
07:43.46 | AegeanLinux | kde-lipstik:: depends=('kdelibs') <--- It built in a chroot with that as a depend |
07:43.51 | thegh0st | AegeanLinux: well, BSD is more the nix that linux |
07:44.21 | AegeanLinux | thegh0st: Grrrrr. |
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07:46.57 | thegh0st | AegeanLinux: lol |
07:47.11 | AegeanLinux | thegh0st: How does it work without kdebase ? |
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07:49.24 | thegh0st | AegeanLinux: havent tried it yet, waiting for my kdelibs to update to a newer version |
07:49.28 | thegh0st | which is a long comile |
07:49.33 | AegeanLinux | thegh0st: Mu-hahahahaha |
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07:49.49 | AegeanLinux | thegh0st: So I guess then you don't use KDE as your DE then ? |
07:49.58 | thegh0st | AegeanLinux: well not too long, dual xeons |
07:50.04 | thegh0st | AegeanLinux: no, I cant get kdebase to compile |
07:50.27 | AegeanLinux | Oh, shibbies. I thought that you ment you could not get lipstik to compile |
07:51.10 | Dirus | instead of having konquerer copy the file over from the smb:// is there a way to make it mount it somewhere and use that path? |
07:51.28 | drantin | Dirus: use a kde app to play the file |
07:51.29 | AegeanLinux | Dirus: Yes |
07:51.37 | drantin | Dirus: it only copies for non kde apps |
07:51.47 | AegeanLinux | Dirus: use mount ;) |
07:52.06 | Dirus | AegeanLinux, there's no way to have it automatically mount it and send that path instead of the smb one? |
07:52.09 | AegeanLinux | ie mount //{ip}/path /mnt/tmp -o username={user},password={pass} |
07:52.13 | drantin | Dirus: as non-kde apps can't use kio_samba or whatever io-slave... |
07:52.25 | AegeanLinux | Dirus: fstab |
07:52.33 | drantin | if you can get smb4k to work... |
07:52.37 | Dirus | drantin: but you'd figure you could tell it how to mount a particular url type |
07:52.53 | drantin | mount -t cifs \\server\share /local/path |
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07:53.24 | Dirus | can I edit something somewhere to make it do that automatically for non kde apps? |
07:53.32 | drantin | smb4k is a samba browser that is supposed to mount folders in ~/smb4k/servername/share or some such... |
07:53.40 | drantin | haven't got it working here yet.,.. |
07:53.52 | Dirus | drantin: ah, is it a kde app too? |
07:53.54 | drantin | does exactly what you're looking for i believe... if it would work |
07:54.06 | drantin | smb4k *is* a kde app... just not an official one... |
07:54.28 | drantin | and i still don't have it working here... |
07:54.44 | Dirus | it's a pretty ideal solution when browsing a large network of computers ;) |
07:54.56 | drantin | of course, i'm having smb:// problems too... |
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07:55.45 | drantin | smb:/ is supposed to show workroups, but tells me i may have a firewall config problem... i depend on a hardware firewall so don't have a local one to interfere with things like this... and it still doesn't work... |
07:56.07 | thegh0st | ugh |
07:56.15 | thegh0st | now I have to fix some system dependencie errors |
07:56.19 | thegh0st | I might consider using kde |
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07:56.24 | drantin | fun fun! |
07:56.26 | thegh0st | I feel its -alot- like windows though :\ |
07:56.48 | Renze | thegh0st: the look and feel are configurable |
07:57.55 | thegh0st | meh |
07:58.12 | drantin | is it possible to have the menu bar work for gtk apps too? |
07:58.18 | Renze | no |
07:58.47 | illogic-al | drantin: well the won't have the menu entries. but it'll be up top, if that's what you mean bby work. |
07:59.05 | drantin | was hoping for menu entries... |
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07:59.29 | illogic-al | So you were hoping for gtk apps to use KDE's menu system... |
07:59.44 | illogic-al | when they can just use their own. |
08:00.02 | drantin | was hoping for kde to pull them from the gtk app... if gnome can pull them, why can't kde? |
08:00.15 | Renze | gnome uses gtk |
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08:00.29 | illogic-al | drantin: what Renze said. |
08:00.47 | drantin | kde could still implement an interface between the two >_> |
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08:00.57 | benJIman|work | drantin: can gnome even do an osx style menubar at the top? |
08:01.04 | Renze | drantin: write the code and submit a patch |
08:01.04 | drantin | thought it could... |
08:01.12 | illogic-al | drantin: or, gtk programs could implement kde's menu style. |
08:01.15 | drantin | Renze: was just wondering if it existed... |
08:01.17 | benJIman|work | drantin: I don't think so, and in any case you could just use kde apps |
08:01.33 | drantin | like xchat too much... |
08:01.36 | benJIman|work | drantin: gtk apps won't have the menubar at the top in osx either |
08:01.40 | benJIman|work | drantin: tried konversation? |
08:02.02 | drantin | think i installed it earlier today... |
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08:03.20 | illogic-al | drantin: KDE and Gnome/gtk programs use different APIs (application programming interfaces) so "lower level" thing like menu aren't likely to be supported by both DEs |
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08:03.52 | thegh0st | *god* |
08:04.02 | Renze | yes? |
08:04.03 | illogic-al | lives |
08:04.10 | thegh0st | this is a pain in the ass XD |
08:04.18 | thegh0st | I might consider KDE |
08:04.24 | illogic-al | thegh0st: stop putting it up there then. |
08:04.24 | Renze | thegh0st: switch to Linux :D |
08:04.46 | xushi | mornin |
08:05.03 | illogic-al | moin |
08:05.41 | lunitik | illogic-al: umm, Gnome and KDE share a menu spec... |
08:05.52 | lunitik | illogic-al: or you mean the File Edit etc menu? |
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08:05.59 | illogic-al | lunitik: panel menu |
08:06.05 | illogic-al | lunitik: not application menu |
08:06.06 | thegh0st | Renze: no way rofl |
08:06.10 | lunitik | illogic-al: kmenu? |
08:06.25 | illogic-al | panel menu = kmenu |
08:06.32 | thegh0st | the only good linux of distro, would be gentoo |
08:06.34 | illogic-al | application menu = File edit etc |
08:06.36 | lunitik | illogic-al: ok, yeah... they share that spec |
08:06.41 | Renze | thegh0st: the one I use :D |
08:06.51 | thegh0st | Renze: what is that? |
08:06.57 | Renze | thegh0st: gentoo |
08:07.06 | thegh0st | Renze: exactly :P |
08:07.06 | drantin_ | is it possible to have the tabs to the side in konversation? seems like it only supports top and bottom... |
08:07.19 | illogic-al | thegh0st: if you've never used linux before how would you know what's good or not? |
08:07.32 | thegh0st | Gentoo is the only good linux distro, BUT, BSD is better |
08:07.34 | illogic-al | drantin: nope. planned feature for .20 i think |
08:07.42 | illogic-al | but hasn't happened yet. |
08:07.42 | thegh0st | illogic-al: I have, I used to use gentoo, needed something better |
08:07.45 | thegh0st | BSD is alot better |
08:07.52 | lunitik | thegh0st: please refrain from such statements |
08:07.57 | thegh0st | its just I messed up my ports tree by fooling around |
08:08.13 | thegh0st | lunitik: well im not insulting linux, just stating that I prefer BSD |
08:08.23 | illogic-al | thegh0st: yeah, BSD is cool. but archlinux ownz :-p |
08:08.32 | appelza_ | you stated that BSD is better, not that you prefer it |
08:08.32 | lunitik | thegh0st: you're saying things which will cause a flameware... with is dumb |
08:08.35 | lunitik | which* |
08:08.36 | xushi | slackware based arch ? |
08:08.40 | xushi | whatever happened to that? |
08:08.42 | lunitik | Especially with me around :P |
08:08.59 | illogic-al | arch isn't slackware based, it's LFS based |
08:09.10 | illogic-al | with slack init scripts |
08:09.27 | thegh0st | sorry, in my opinion, bsd is better |
08:09.33 | thegh0st | now stating that I THINK its better :P |
08:09.43 | illogic-al | lunitik: but it's 4am, you're out of the zone. |
08:09.45 | drantin | for now, xchat is better for me.,.. |
08:09.55 | lunitik | thegh0st: opinions are like assholes... just refrain from saying them in places where OS is irrelivant... thank you |
08:09.55 | Renze | illogic-al: no, it's 8pm |
08:09.56 | xushi | < kvirc :p |
08:10.01 | xushi | but all in all, kde rocks |
08:10.04 | drantin | a few other things i like better in xchat than konversation currently... |
08:10.16 | illogic-al | Renze: rubiish. learn to tell time you damn Canuck. |
08:10.25 | Renze | I am not canadian! |
08:10.25 | illogic-al | Canuck = Canadian btw :-) |
08:10.34 | illogic-al | you are now! |
08:10.35 | thegh0st | canada is awesome |
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08:10.38 | Renze | you hoser! :D |
08:10.41 | thegh0st | illogic-al: you canadian? |
08:10.46 | matias | hola |
08:10.46 | thegh0st | hoser? |
08:10.48 | matias | que tal |
08:10.53 | matias | nadie habla español, no |
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08:10.56 | matias | hahah |
08:11.07 | Renze | hable en inglés, por favor |
08:11.08 | illogic-al | thegh0st: no. I'm from the place that ownz Canadia |
08:11.10 | thegh0st | at least we dont have a retard for a country leader |
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08:11.29 | xushi | drantin: kvirc isn't easy.. very shocking to me coz of all the features in it.. and i love it =D |
08:11.30 | drantin | odd configure script what with the highlighted sectioning... |
08:11.33 | thegh0st | us sucks, might as well shoot me for saying, since you all have guns anyways |
08:11.52 | illogic-al | thegh0st: damn straight. We'll bomb you back to Alaska! |
08:11.55 | drantin | xushi: i'm not afraid of moderately hard programs... <3 vim ... |
08:11.57 | illogic-al | j/k of course. |
08:12.01 | matias | peaceeeeeeeeeeeee |
08:12.03 | xushi | in konversation, can i divide the chat window between the actual human chats, and g*y irc 'X has logged in, Y has logged out' mesages ? |
08:12.03 | matias | love |
08:12.05 | drantin | and can move about a bit in emacs... |
08:12.07 | illogic-al | LOL |
08:12.32 | Renze | xushi: you can turn off the join/part/quit messages completely |
08:12.36 | thegh0st | the one thing I hate about kde, is the application naming scheme |
08:12.40 | xushi | excellent |
08:12.41 | matias | no entiendo ni mierda |
08:12.45 | thegh0st | why put K in front of EVERYTHING? |
08:12.47 | illogic-al | xushi: if by 'divive' you mean turn off the "X has logged in, Y has logged out' mesages" then yes. |
08:12.51 | xushi | < emerges konv. |
08:12.56 | illogic-al | thegh0st: cuz it was cool. |
08:12.57 | Renze | thegh0st: the naming konvention is changing... slowly... |
08:13.00 | illogic-al | for a while |
08:13.04 | thegh0st | i hope it does |
08:13.06 | illogic-al | it's changed |
08:13.15 | Renze | Amarok doesn't start with K |
08:13.16 | matias | Viva AFGANISTAN |
08:13.20 | xushi | i'm trying to go 'all kde' for a while now |
08:13.25 | drantin | thegh0st: why a g in front of everything gtk? |
08:13.26 | matias | BIN LADENNNNNNNNNN |
08:13.26 | illogic-al | Juk doesn't start with a K |
08:13.28 | thegh0st | guessing Konversation is the irc client? |
08:13.33 | illogic-al | yup |
08:13.37 | drantin | amarok doesn't either... amarok > juK |
08:13.39 | thegh0st | drantin: meh, |
08:13.40 | illogic-al | it's twat I use |
08:13.51 | xushi | i thought amarok changed from amaroK to just Amarok |
08:13.57 | drantin | illogic-al: what a freudian slip that was... |
08:13.59 | Renze | it has |
08:14.01 | illogic-al | matias: the FBI're gonna be on your ass now. |
08:14.02 | thegh0st | well, technically, the correct way of spelling it is amaroK |
08:14.09 | thegh0st | so, it uses the cheesy naming scheme |
08:14.13 | Renze | no, it is officially Amarok now |
08:14.19 | matias | SI, AGUANTE BIN LADENNNNNNNNNN |
08:14.21 | thegh0st | and I will try KDE if I can get the compile going |
08:14.24 | Renze | check the website |
08:14.25 | xushi | thegh0st: it officially changed now |
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08:14.37 | thegh0st | xushi: to what? |
08:14.39 | Renze | matias: piss off now, please |
08:14.41 | xushi | Amarok |
08:14.53 | matias | IRAK, BIN LADEN, HETZBOLLAAAAAAA. |
08:14.54 | thegh0st | and, I prefer IRSSI for irc, its alot better than any QT/GTK client |
08:15.00 | illogic-al | lol |
08:15.04 | kucrut | haha |
08:15.08 | drantin | only in screen... |
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08:15.14 | kucrut | Renze: leave him alone :P |
08:15.27 | drantin | otherwise it's benefits die for me.. |
08:15.29 | lunitik | thegh0st: I heard FreeBSD users are mad because of Mono getting into Gnome, you another refugee because of that? This could be a very good thing for KDE :D |
08:15.31 | Renze | kucrut: no :P |
08:15.38 | xushi | i prefer my gf to linux (ooo i'm asking for it) |
08:15.49 | thegh0st | I used to use gnome, back in like SuSE 9.3 |
08:15.49 | drantin | i'd like a guardian force too... |
08:15.53 | thegh0st | but I use flux now |
08:15.54 | xushi | lol |
08:15.55 | matias | osamaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
08:16.01 | lunitik | xushi: You prefer being nagged and frustrated? |
08:16.14 | matias | osamaaaaaaaaaaa BIN LADENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN |
08:16.15 | thegh0st | and what is mono? |
08:16.16 | lunitik | thegh0st: oh, what do you use currently? |
08:16.24 | xushi | lunitik: very true, but there's one advantage that covers all that up.. |
08:16.26 | illogic-al | thegh0st: how is flux nowadays? |
08:16.30 | lunitik | thegh0st: ahh... where the hell have you been? |
08:16.34 | illogic-al | still compile in under 2 secs? |
08:16.45 | thegh0st | illogic-al: pretty much, flux is awesome these days |
08:16.46 | matias | ME IGNORANNNNNNNNN |
08:16.50 | matias | DRANTIN |
08:16.55 | thegh0st | I like light WM's |
08:17.00 | xushi | matias: i suggest you calm down before you start offending others here |
08:17.04 | lunitik | xushi: only if you can keep it up for about 5 hours ;) |
08:17.11 | xushi | haha |
08:17.14 | thegh0st | I prefer a 3 minute compile, not 3 day |
08:17.16 | lunitik | xushi: then you never have to talk to her :P |
08:17.39 | matias | no hablo ni mierda de ingles |
08:17.57 | matias | pero como disfruté cuendo hicieron mierda las torres gemelas |
08:18.00 | Renze | matias: then leave and find a channel of spanish morons to annoy |
08:18.14 | kucrut | Renze: .... |
08:18.18 | matias | Renze, aguante Bin laden |
08:18.23 | lunitik | Busy schedule though |
08:18.41 | Renze | matias: no hablar español |
08:18.43 | lunitik | Did that for like 3 months straight... |
08:18.48 | xushi | lunitik: how the heck do you still manage to find time to sleep 12 hours? respect for that.. |
08:19.02 | lunitik | xushi: "I'm done" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
08:19.20 | lunitik | xushi: my females know better than to wake me up ;) |
08:19.32 | matias | Renze I don t speak english |
08:19.42 | Renze | matias: then why are you here? |
08:19.42 | xushi | matias: you 12 year old or something ? |
08:19.45 | illogic-al | lol |
08:19.51 | xushi | (no offence to 12 year olds..) |
08:19.53 | matias | 32 yearrrrrrrrr |
08:19.55 | illogic-al | lol |
08:20.03 | Renze | matias: start acting like it |
08:20.04 | matias | jajja |
08:20.05 | illogic-al | oh this good |
08:20.21 | xushi | how do you stick someone to ignore? /ignore nick ? |
08:20.34 | illogic-al | xushi: yes |
08:20.35 | lunitik | xushi: usually '/ignore nigh all' |
08:20.35 | Renze | yes |
08:20.40 | matias | zenze la concha de tu madre |
08:20.40 | xushi | done =] |
08:20.41 | lunitik | nick even* |
08:20.41 | thegh0st | lunitik: masturbation doesnt qualify as sex.. |
08:20.47 | matias | me voy a dormir |
08:21.00 | xushi | thegh0st: LIES!! :( |
08:21.04 | lunitik | thegh0st: its a lot less complicated though |
08:21.05 | thegh0st | lol |
08:21.12 | thegh0st | o, serious, it doent |
08:21.15 | thegh0st | *doesnt |
08:21.18 | lunitik | thegh0st: I get plenty of both, so whatever |
08:21.23 | drantin | matias goto #ubuntu-es ... espanol compadres there... |
08:21.24 | matias | MI IP 201.250.125.5 |
08:21.39 | lunitik | thegh0st: even when I have a girl, personal time is sometimes preferred |
08:21.42 | thegh0st | plenty of "both" |
08:21.43 | illogic-al | gentlemen begin your haxXxing |
08:21.54 | xushi | man i suddenly have the urge to listen to madonna's old compilations today.. |
08:22.00 | illogic-al | TMFI! |
08:22.08 | Renze | madonna has never had any talent |
08:22.17 | matias | MARADONAAAAAAAAAA |
08:22.19 | illogic-al | HER LAST ALBUM WAS AWESOME |
08:22.20 | matias | MARADONAAAAAAA |
08:22.21 | xushi | very true.. but for some reason i want to listen to her old crap.. |
08:22.26 | matias | DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONAAAAAAAAA |
08:22.28 | xushi | like a prayer, vogue, etc.. |
08:22.30 | matias | THE BESTTTTTTTTTT |
08:22.30 | illogic-al | Renze: MILLIONS OF FANS DISAGREE |
08:22.33 | matias | EL DIEGOOOOOOOO |
08:22.34 | lunitik | Renze: neither did Lead Zepplin, but they made millions also |
08:22.39 | matias | AGUANTE EL DIEGO |
08:22.41 | illogic-al | CAPS FTW! |
08:22.46 | lunitik | Led? |
08:22.51 | matias | DIEGO ES UN CAPOOOOOOOOO |
08:22.52 | xushi | meh, there isn't any real talent anymore the past 20 years |
08:22.53 | illogic-al | led |
08:22.57 | lunitik | Something like that... either way it was just noise |
08:23.06 | illogic-al | xushi: ru-bish |
08:23.07 | matias | DIEGO ES EL MEJOR JUGADOR DE FÚBOL DEL MUNDO |
08:23.11 | matias | AGUANTE DIEGO |
08:23.18 | matias | DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
08:23.30 | Renze | matias: grow up, or get out |
08:23.37 | illogic-al | xushi: their are a handful of very talented new artists |
08:23.45 | xushi | illogic-al: look at all the pop recently, and (ugh...) lopez, spears, and any other schmuck that can hold a microphone |
08:23.55 | xushi | illogic-al: speaking about pop |
08:24.00 | illogic-al | Renze: or you could just /ignore him and quit bitching about it. |
08:24.02 | thegh0st | lunitik: dont like death metal? |
08:24.07 | matias | 201.250.82.24 |
08:24.09 | lunitik | Renze: put him on ignore, or at least stop giving him the attention he wants |
08:24.10 | Renze | illogic-al: kopete has no /ignore |
08:24.13 | lunitik | thegh0st: hell no |
08:24.15 | xushi | mm, abyssos :) |
08:24.18 | xushi | sentenced :) |
08:24.18 | drantin | for some reason, he still shows up... |
08:24.21 | xushi | in flames :) |
08:24.29 | matias | NINGUNA PUEDE HACKER MI PC |
08:24.30 | drantin | i don't thing he can /msg me though... |
08:24.30 | illogic-al | xushi: i have no problem with j-lo. |
08:24.31 | matias | HACK |
08:24.33 | lunitik | Renze: use a real IRC client? |
08:24.41 | illogic-al | Renze: then use a real irc client |
08:24.45 | matias | RENZE SE TRAGA LA LECHITA |
08:24.49 | Renze | lunitik: I like one app to rule them all |
08:24.51 | matias | WINDOWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
08:24.54 | matias | WINDOWSSSSSSSSSSSS |
08:24.54 | lunitik | Renze: recommend Konversation... although that'll take you like an hour |
08:24.55 | xushi | illogic-al: i have a problem with women who show off "their beauty" when they have more sillicon in there than organs |
08:24.56 | matias | WINDOWSSSSSSSSSS |
08:25.07 | matias | WINDOWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
08:25.09 | xushi | enough sillicon to float after the titanic .. |
08:25.19 | lunitik | Renze: I use Kopete for everything else chat related... but its IRC sucks |
08:25.20 | Renze | lunitik: I already have konversation... but why run two apps for chatting? |
08:25.24 | illogic-al | xushi: what;s that got to do with their talent? |
08:25.35 | illogic-al | answer, absolutely nothing. |
08:25.42 | lunitik | Renze: Kopete sucks for IRC |
08:25.46 | xushi | on the contrary |
08:25.51 | illogic-al | jessica simpson is the perfect example xushi |
08:25.52 | xushi | answer: absolutely everything. why ? |
08:25.53 | drantin | matias: /msg drantin testing... |
08:25.59 | Renze | lunitik: I agree, but why run two apps for chatting? |
08:26.02 | xushi | because with pop, EVERYTHING is about image.. nothing is about the actual music |
08:26.15 | xushi | any song that comes up, its about how much ass they can shake on tv |
08:26.16 | illogic-al | she may be an absolute dolt, but she has an amazing voice |
08:26.19 | lunitik | xushi: you don't not human improvements? |
08:26.25 | matias | drantin |
08:26.28 | matias | que pasa |
08:26.28 | lunitik | Renze: why not? |
08:26.30 | matias | hermano |
08:26.31 | xushi | hehe |
08:26.35 | matias | msggggggggg |
08:26.38 | Renze | lunitik: seems like a waste to me |
08:26.42 | matias | con entiengo ni mierda |
08:26.43 | thegh0st | matias: pretty sure this is an english channel |
08:26.49 | illogic-al | xushi: i don't watch music videos, I listen tp _music_ |
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08:26.58 | kucrut | heh, he's still alive? |
08:26.59 | matias | a im sorryyyyyyy |
08:27.05 | illogic-al | if it sounds good, i like it. simple. |
08:27.09 | matias | aim sorrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
08:27.12 | matias | aim peryyyyyyyyyyyy |
08:27.17 | xushi | illogic-al: unfortunately, 80% of the rest just want to watch the clips ;) |
08:27.19 | matias | me gustas tu |
08:27.27 | lunitik | illogic-al: agreed... although "sounds good" is subjective |
08:27.29 | thegh0st | who here uses Konquerer for web browser? |
08:27.35 | xushi | heck you should see the amount of clips of jlo and agulera on my dad's phone.. |
08:27.36 | Renze | me |
08:27.39 | drantin | thegh0st: every now and then... |
08:27.39 | xushi | thegh0st: i do |
08:27.42 | thegh0st | lol |
08:27.45 | lunitik | thegh0st: I do for most tasks |
08:27.54 | kucrut | me! |
08:27.58 | illogic-al | xushi: well they shouldn't bemoan the state of musicdom when their not even listening to the music then. |
08:27.59 | drantin | whenever i don't need 32bit plugins... |
08:28.02 | thegh0st | why? |
08:28.08 | thegh0st | Opera and firefox are so much better |
08:28.13 | kucrut | bah |
08:28.16 | illogic-al | lunitik: true. |
08:28.18 | Renze | I like konqueror better than opera or firefox |
08:28.23 | xushi | oops, flash still doesnt run on amd64 ? |
08:28.28 | thegh0st | lol |
08:28.30 | thegh0st | wierd |
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08:28.34 | kucrut | lynx is better than them |
08:28.34 | drantin | i use konqui for browsing my hard drive, etc... |
08:28.42 | Renze | thegh0st: just like you like bsd better than linux :P |
08:28.48 | thegh0st | how long avg. of a compile is BSD? |
08:28.58 | drantin | long? |
08:29.10 | thegh0st | Renze: yup, BSD is a real OS, linux is just a kernel |
08:29.12 | xushi | depends on the number of apps included i guess |
08:29.14 | thegh0st | s/BSD/kdelibs |
08:29.18 | xushi | ah |
08:29.20 | thegh0st | lol |
08:29.22 | drantin | seems like it'd be similar in length to a gentoo install... |
08:29.23 | thegh0st | mistype |
08:29.23 | Renze | thegh0st: no flamebait please |
08:29.25 | illogic-al | but i like alot of diff. genres, so good for me involves awide range of thiongs |
08:29.25 | thegh0st | im tired |
08:29.33 | xushi | ~half an hour |
08:29.41 | thegh0st | Renze: lol alright |
08:29.48 | thegh0st | who in here is a python programmer? |
08:29.48 | lunitik | thegh0st: thats not a bad thing... all of linux development goes into that kernel... the devels are more focused |
08:29.58 | Renze | thegh0st: occasionally |
08:30.04 | lunitik | thegh0st: BSD devels have to maintain every_fucking_thing... which distracts them |
08:30.23 | xushi | i need advice =/ which bsd is easiest to disect if you were to write an essay about OS network security ? |
08:30.30 | drantin | Renze: it's pretty much a fact that linux refers specifically to the kernel... |
08:30.38 | lunitik | thegh0st: Linux world, there is colaboration, but everyone sticks to what they know and are interested in... |
08:30.45 | Renze | drantin: I am aware of that... I've been using it for 7½ years |
08:30.48 | illogic-al | xushi: you can do that with any OS |
08:30.55 | xushi | illogic-al: es but i'm asking about bsd |
08:31.04 | xushi | i already chose my linux, unix, and win OSes |
08:31.17 | drantin | Renze: got me beat by about 2... |
08:31.42 | Renze | drantin: plus using (and programming) computers since 1983 |
08:31.43 | illogic-al | xushi: well openbsd is notorius for security |
08:31.46 | xushi | doh, i emerged kvirc .. |
08:31.47 | lunitik | thegh0st: then there are people that collaborate to develop entire operating systems as people understand them to be... which ensures things actually fit together |
08:31.48 | illogic-al | so... |
08:31.54 | illogic-al | EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW |
08:32.00 | Dr_Malk | does konqueror (when file managing) have a search option? |
08:32.04 | illogic-al | you said the kvirc word |
08:32.10 | drantin | Renze: it seems you're quite a bit older than me >_> |
08:32.12 | kucrut | hahah |
08:32.16 | thegh0st | lunitik: everything seems to work together fine in bsd, and all the software is ported well |
08:32.26 | lunitik | thegh0st: FreeBSD relies on people doing things they might not be interested in because they simply don't have the man power to be focused |
08:32.26 | Renze | drantin: yep, I'm an old fart |
08:32.32 | xushi | will it still work if i stick it in vmware? :) |
08:32.34 | thegh0st | but yeh how long of a compile is kdelibs? |
08:32.36 | benJIman|work | Dr_Malk: yes, there's a find file option, also may have beagle or whatever integrated depending on your distro |
08:32.48 | xushi | thegh0st: about 25 minuts |
08:32.56 | Dr_Malk | how do I get to it? |
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08:33.03 | Renze | thegh0st: on a 1.5GHz single cpu with 512MB ram, kdelibs takes about 1 hour 20 minutes |
08:33.09 | Dr_Malk | found it |
08:33.10 | Dr_Malk | thanks |
08:33.11 | lunitik | thegh0st: Mono's port sucks... KDE even misses features on *BSD |
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08:33.13 | VxJasonxV | could anyone tell me what krdb is? I ran it instead of krdc and it seems to have broke my xterm colors :( |
08:33.14 | illogic-al | drantin: Renze is like 23 or something and lives in Canadia, don't let him fool you :-) |
08:33.25 | Renze | lies! |
08:33.27 | xushi | centrino 1.73ghz and 2Gb ram here, takes 20 minutes |
08:33.36 | Renze | illogic-al: are you sure you're not a politician? :D |
08:33.44 | illogic-al | heheh |
08:34.02 | matias | cetrino es una mirta |
08:34.07 | lunitik | VxJasonxV: krdb is KDE Remote Desktop Backend |
08:34.08 | Renze | I wish I was still 23... |
08:34.13 | matias | yo soy politico |
08:34.21 | matias | cetrino es mierdaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
08:34.24 | matias | AGUANTA AMD |
08:34.25 | illogic-al | a/s/l! |
08:34.28 | VxJasonxV | hmmm |
08:34.32 | matias | VIVA MICROSOFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT |
08:34.37 | matias | BIN LADEN |
08:34.39 | VxJasonxV | then something else broke my uxterms :( |
08:34.39 | lunitik | illogic-al: not for like 3 weeks :'( |
08:34.41 | matias | BIEN LADEN |
08:34.43 | mariust | haha :) |
08:34.43 | Renze | illogic-al: old/yes/far away |
08:34.44 | matias | BIEN LADEN |
08:34.44 | illogic-al | 23/M/right below canadia |
08:34.49 | matias | BIEN |
08:34.50 | matias | LADEN |
08:34.53 | matias | BIEN LADEN |
08:34.54 | xushi | ugh, is installing openbsd similar to installing gentoo ? or is it quick and painless ? |
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08:35.04 | illogic-al | lunitik: huh? |
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08:35.08 | mariust | wow matias, you are really trying i see |
08:35.10 | drantin | any idea why smb:/ in konqueror would complain about not finding any workgroups when there is no firewall installed? |
08:35.16 | Renze | xushi: pain is good... it reminds you that you're still alive :D |
08:35.16 | lunitik | illogic-al: any sex lately ;) |
08:35.23 | illogic-al | lol |
08:35.34 | xushi | Renze: like i said, i have my gf for that.. ;) |
08:35.53 | Renze | xushi: ah, I see... she has whips and chains? :D |
08:36.03 | lunitik | drantin: >:| |
08:36.10 | illogic-al | xushi: i wouldn't know. never installed it. |
08:36.19 | xushi | Renze: worse, she has an amex card under my account with 10k limit.. |
08:36.25 | Renze | ouch! |
08:36.26 | illogic-al | LOL |
08:36.27 | lunitik | drantin: its almost 2am on the west coast... #kde is dead... open season for all :D |
08:36.30 | Renze | you poor bugger! |
08:36.35 | klaaner-libby | Hi :-) I would like to contribute a basic mapage highlighting syntax file for kate -- where can I upload it? |
08:36.36 | drantin | bah... in japan here... |
08:36.42 | illogic-al | lunitik: where on the west? |
08:36.44 | drantin | only 5:30... |
08:36.50 | drantin | 1730 actually |
08:36.50 | lunitik | illogic-al: Arizona |
08:36.54 | Renze | Tue Aug 15 20:36:25 NZST 2006 |
08:37.06 | illogic-al | klaaner-libby: CHECK kate.org |
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08:37.16 | lunitik | illogic-al: not really West Coast... but we're PST right now, so it counts :) |
08:37.24 | illogic-al | lunitik: heheh |
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08:38.12 | thegh0st | grr |
08:38.15 | klaaner-libby | illogic-al: I checked kate.kde.org but I didn't find anything ... |
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08:38.19 | thegh0st | kdelibs install...taking ... so .. long |
08:38.24 | illogic-al | klaaner-libby: http://www.kate-editor.org/ actually |
08:38.44 | illogic-al | #kate |
08:38.59 | mariust | thegh0st: and what will you do with kdelibs once their finished? |
08:39.07 | illogic-al | or the chan i just pasted. kate devs are in their. ithink. |
08:39.08 | Renze | I'm off, fellas... too cold to be sitting at the computer, and I have a cold virus to defeat. |
08:39.20 | thegh0st | mariust: compile lipstik |
08:39.30 | illogic-al | Renze: crush it under the power of your might will. |
08:39.41 | illogic-al | Renze: For Canadia! |
08:39.46 | illogic-al | }:-) |
08:39.46 | drantin | <PROTECTED> |
08:39.47 | thegh0st | lol |
08:39.48 | Renze | illogic-al: I am trying... it is tenaceous though |
08:40.00 | thegh0st | drantin: whats yor system specs? |
08:40.06 | illogic-al | good luck man, see yah. |
08:40.18 | drantin | Linux gelgoog 2.6.17-gentoo-r5 #2 SMP PREEMPT Mon Aug 14 05:01:33 JST 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
08:40.21 | drantin | 2GB RAM |
08:41.12 | AegeanLinux | Renze: expat 2.0 is out :S |
08:41.30 | drantin | yes, and it was a pain... |
08:41.34 | illogic-al | which breaks compat with expat not 2.0 |
08:41.36 | illogic-al | booooo |
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08:41.53 | drantin | just recompile things with expat 2... |
08:42.15 | AegeanLinux | drantin: I know that, but there are like 20 apps that need recompile |
08:42.31 | drantin | ah... forgot you have a binary distro... |
08:42.33 | AegeanLinux | all that that time that could be spent compiling new apps |
08:42.36 | illogic-al | nope. i'll wait for braver, more patient people than I to test and make packages. |
08:43.12 | drantin | ran into it when moving to gentoo ~amd64 ... |
08:44.59 | AegeanLinux | ARGH! xorg is makedepend on expat |
08:45.12 | AegeanLinux | ARGH! so is kdelibs |
08:45.30 | illogic-al | suckagee |
08:46.21 | illogic-al | and that, boys and girls, is why I use an OS that makes my packages for me. |
08:46.58 | drantin | hehe.. konquefox... |
08:47.04 | lunitik | illogic-al: haha |
08:47.26 | lunitik | drantin: there was work to port gecko to qt ... so you get nice widgets on buttons etc... thats all you need... |
08:48.13 | lunitik | drantin: last I head, was functional with Konqueror... but I don't know what happened to it after that aKademy (I think it was Kastle actually?) |
08:48.29 | drantin | konquefox appears to be something different entirely... |
08:48.34 | lunitik | Kastle was what they called aKademy in like 2003 right? |
08:48.45 | lunitik | drantin: ahh, its a real project? |
08:49.01 | drantin | firefox extension, plus mods to chrome... |
08:49.21 | drantin | http://konquefox.free.fr/index.html |
08:49.41 | drantin | use kde filepicker from firefox, for example... |
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08:51.39 | thegh0st | who in here is using BSD? |
08:51.51 | lunitik | thegh0st: you and drantin |
08:52.07 | thegh0st | drantin: did you ever compile a theme manually? |
08:52.18 | drantin | i'm using gentoo... |
08:52.28 | thegh0st | lunitik: LIAR! |
08:52.29 | thegh0st | lol |
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08:52.41 | lunitik | Ahhh |
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08:52.50 | thegh0st | gentoo uses portage, which is based off prots |
08:52.51 | thegh0st | *ports |
08:52.52 | lunitik | Damnit, he's always talking about BSD :/ |
08:52.54 | drantin | and a debian chroot for some reason... |
08:53.02 | thegh0st | gentoo is inspired by fbsd |
08:53.07 | thegh0st | is that maybe why you thought that? |
08:53.20 | lunitik | thegh0st: no... he talks a lot about BSD... |
08:53.25 | drantin | ...i do? |
08:53.32 | drantin | example? |
08:54.07 | lunitik | I'm probably wrong... I just seem to remember that |
08:54.12 | drantin | i've compared it to gentoo f.e. length of install when asked earlier... |
08:54.22 | lunitik | drantin: I do remember you talking about paludis though :/ |
08:54.55 | thegh0st | lol |
08:55.11 | drantin | portage has slow search times, start times, etc... |
08:55.31 | drantin | is also supposed to make it easier for package maintainers to add new ebuilds... |
08:55.38 | lunitik | drantin: will it make Xorg take less than 8 hours to compile? |
08:55.47 | drantin | ..my system does that... |
08:56.38 | drantin | Tue Aug 8 18:57:15 2006 >>> x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.2-r7 merge time: 28 minutes and 35 seconds. |
08:56.50 | lunitik | drantin: feel free to discuss kuroo etc ... things related to KDE... but distro things that aren't relevant here are bad to bring up when I'm around |
08:57.06 | drantin | kuroo ? |
08:57.15 | lunitik | drantin: KDE frontend to portage |
08:57.37 | lunitik | drantin: actually not that bad a package manager frontend from what I've seen |
08:58.44 | drantin | hm... i prefer installing things from within screen... |
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08:59.00 | xushi_ | mm, konv =] |
08:59.04 | xushi | mm, kvirc =] |
08:59.05 | lunitik | drantin: you appear to have missed my mount |
08:59.08 | lunitik | point* |
08:59.19 | lunitik | haha @ that |
08:59.29 | drantin | i'm trying to talk about it in a distro neutral way... |
08:59.43 | drantin | not that i didn't mention emerge or portage in that statement... |
08:59.47 | drantin | note that* |
09:00.02 | lunitik | drantin: http://kuroo.org/images/shots/08/08main.png clean interface imo anyways |
09:00.09 | drantin | already looked |
09:00.21 | drantin | same screenshot too... |
09:01.48 | drantin | has kpackage gotten any better in the last two years? |
09:02.05 | lunitik | drantin: I think its one of those things that are considered "feature complete" |
09:02.32 | lunitik | IE, no maintenance at all |
09:02.58 | AegeanLinux | kpackage doesn't work for me . |
09:03.01 | AegeanLinux | What a shame |
09:03.03 | lunitik | Should be dropped from KDE4 probably, for something a bit more sane... |
09:03.40 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: your distro is based on Arch, and Arch devel's don't believe in pretty pictures for admin things |
09:03.58 | AegeanLinux | lunitik: On Google search: Jacman ;) |
09:04.23 | lunitik | If its written in Java, I get to slap you |
09:04.35 | AegeanLinux | paKman ;) |
09:06.00 | AegeanLinux | PaQmAn ;) |
09:06.01 | lunitik | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... its java |
09:06.01 | xushi_ | test (sorry, fixing font colors) |
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09:06.02 | xushi_ | what do you call the action when someone sends you a message with your nick in it ? |
09:06.10 | lunitik | Maybe when it has more than 20 devels :/ |
09:06.39 | drantin | xushi_: in irc ? |
09:06.50 | xushi_ | yes |
09:06.53 | xushi_ | in konversation |
09:07.12 | xushi_ | trying to set the color for when someone includes my nick (like you just did) |
09:08.14 | lunitik | xushi_: Settings > Configure Konversation > Notification > Highlight |
09:08.23 | xushi_ | highlight. thanks |
09:08.39 | benJIman|work | AegeanLinux: what is it using, swing, swt, jambi? |
09:09.01 | AegeanLinux | __it__ using ? |
09:09.09 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: Jacman |
09:09.34 | AegeanLinux | it definitly does not fit in with the look of the desktop |
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09:12.14 | AegeanLinux | benJIman|work: You want me to take some Screenshots now ? |
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09:23.41 | illogic-al | oooh jacman! |
09:23.48 | illogic-al | crappage! |
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09:25.29 | AegeanLinux | illogic-al: I don't use it personally, I like the Konsole |
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09:25.51 | benJIman|work | AegeanLinux: no I was just interested what it was using |
09:26.18 | AegeanLinux | KK benJIman|work ;) |
09:26.48 | illogic-al | bah. gcompizthemer is crapware. |
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09:32.39 | znh | Hello |
09:32.45 | AegeanLinux | hi znh |
09:32.53 | znh | With yakuake, is it possible to modify the width of the terminal? |
09:33.02 | AegeanLinux | yes |
09:33.11 | znh | Really? could you explain me? |
09:33.32 | AegeanLinux | There is an arrow down the bottom of the terminal |
09:33.38 | AegeanLinux | click it and go --> Terminal Width |
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09:33.42 | znh | Aah thanks! |
09:33.43 | AegeanLinux | :D |
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09:35.24 | AegeanLinux | That arrow gives alot of options, don't you think znh ? |
09:35.39 | znh | AegeanLinux, oh yeah, that arrow does it |
09:35.52 | AegeanLinux | Dang right znh |
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09:43.33 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: you think ruby and perl are noob unfriendly? |
09:44.03 | AegeanLinux | illogic-al: No. |
09:44.12 | AegeanLinux | if you are concerning the FP of the WS |
09:44.18 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: it says so on your webpage :-) |
09:44.25 | illogic-al | http://www.aegeanlinux.be/index.php?n=Main.TakeTheVote |
09:44.35 | AegeanLinux | they were all comments made yesterday here on this channel when I asked about Gambas ;) |
09:44.36 | illogic-al | there's also a typo :-) defualt should be default |
09:45.35 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: my roommate needed to do some data mining of sequence databases for something related to his phd project. |
09:46.01 | AegeanLinux | illogic-al: that was random ;) |
09:46.05 | illogic-al | I told him to go learn ruby as all the guys in #amarok were saying good things about it, among them it being noob freindly |
09:46.22 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: he'd never programmed before and he got what he needed done in two days. |
09:46.42 | AegeanLinux | illogic-al: So you think your Grandma could do Ruby ? |
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09:47.08 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: the more pertinent question is can my grandma do gambas |
09:47.21 | AegeanLinux | illogic-al: Probebly easier then Ruby |
09:47.28 | AegeanLinux | Ruby has no good IDE's |
09:47.43 | AegeanLinux | aegeandesktop (the package) is aimed at people new to Linux |
09:48.14 | AegeanLinux | IE, not me and you who want to Pimp our KDE up, who would just pacman -S kdebase kdemultimedia etc etc etc |
09:48.20 | znh | Python is quite noob friendly imo |
09:48.29 | AegeanLinux | znh: Where is the IDE for it ? |
09:48.37 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: programming and using the desktop aren't the same thing |
09:48.47 | znh | AegeanLinux, dont know what IDE's are ;) |
09:48.51 | illogic-al | there's no need to "dumb down" programming :-) |
09:49.00 | AegeanLinux | illogic-al: I know, but I want a basic desktop environment |
09:49.07 | thegh0st | drantin: you here? |
09:49.17 | AegeanLinux | something that someone moving from Windows will be familliar with |
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09:49.39 | illogic-al | gambas is pointless. it's an IDE for a programming language that honestly, not many people use. |
09:49.58 | illogic-al | people moving from windows who know basic, can easily pick something else up, and should. |
09:50.10 | AegeanLinux | illogic-al: True, But what about VB, would you say that is pointless |
09:50.11 | thegh0st | lol true, but gambas is pretty cool |
09:50.29 | AegeanLinux | Think outside the square. You know how Linux works, and you prob know C++ or even ASM |
09:50.45 | AegeanLinux | that is not the people who aegeandesktop is aimed at |
09:50.45 | thegh0st | I use eric3/glade |
09:50.48 | thegh0st | perfect combo |
09:50.58 | thegh0st | right now im working on a gtk2 frontend for fyp |
09:51.00 | thegh0st | *ftp |
09:51.07 | thegh0st | a GOOD one, gftp sucks |
09:51.09 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: remember they're moving away from windows for a reason. To get more control, to do things "properly". Let's not re-enforce bad habits/practices, simply for the sake of ease of switching |
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09:51.25 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: yes, I would say VB is rather pointless. |
09:51.27 | drantin | thegh0st: yes |
09:51.28 | illogic-al | and horrible |
09:51.34 | illogic-al | and should be shot. |
09:51.42 | drantin | thegh0st: just having a discussion/arguement in another channel |
09:51.44 | illogic-al | BUt I'm biased against it :-) |
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09:52.06 | AegeanLinux | illogic-al: So, you think a person teaching 10 year olds will be teaching C++ ? |
09:52.33 | illogic-al | hell no. teach them turtle |
09:52.36 | illogic-al | :-) |
09:52.41 | thegh0st | drantin: lol k, whats your compile time on kdelibs? |
09:53.13 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: they could be taught ruby/perl/python. |
09:53.39 | AegeanLinux | How many lines does it take to put a window on the screen in Perl ? |
09:53.44 | AegeanLinux | How many lines does it take to put a window on the screen in Python ? |
09:53.47 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: and start learning good programming practices in the beginning |
09:53.47 | AegeanLinux | How many lines does it take to put a window on the screen in Ruby ? |
09:54.03 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: I've never programmed in either. |
09:54.05 | AegeanLinux | illogic-al: Put your vote in then, there is only 3 dyas :D |
09:54.16 | drantin | shortest was 30 minutes and 41 seconds., longest was 53 minutes and 2 seconds. |
09:54.31 | drantin | the short one was with the active directory mounted in tmpfs |
09:54.43 | illogic-al | AegeanLinux: and line count isn't a valid reason for using a programming language. It's applicability to the task at hand is. |
09:55.13 | illogic-al | If I wanted to dp web scripting I'm not going to tell someone to use C++ "cuz it's fast" |
09:55.43 | AegeanLinux | illogic-al: Our 0.5.0 is comming out on Saturday, and the last day to put in you vote is Friday. If you feel that strongly about it ... |
09:55.44 | illogic-al | obviously there are languages more suited to that particular task. php/ruby-on-rails for instance |
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09:56.01 | thegh0st | illogic-al: dont forget django |
09:56.15 | illogic-al | thegh0st: never heard of it. |
09:56.27 | thegh0st | its like Rails, but for django |
09:56.31 | thegh0st | * for python |
09:56.32 | thegh0st | lol |
09:56.34 | illogic-al | I'm not a programmer btw. I'm more acurately described as a hacker :-) |
09:56.45 | thegh0st | http://www.djangoproject.com/ |
09:56.53 | thegh0st | anyways |
09:57.01 | drantin | you can create a cgi app in c++ that will interface with most webservers... |
09:57.15 | illogic-al | I get would I need done in the most horrificly inelegant way possible. and as long as it works, I'm happy. |
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09:58.14 | thegh0st | drantin: why program a web app in C++, thats extremely illogical, just use Django/Rails/PHP |
09:58.26 | drantin | had a friend that used delphi... |
09:58.38 | thegh0st | lol..delphi/kylix is a joke |
09:58.57 | thegh0st | C++ FTW. but not for web apps :P |
09:59.08 | drantin | perl ftw |
09:59.10 | thegh0st | ebay is programmed in C++ i believe |
09:59.13 | thegh0st | meh |
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09:59.21 | thegh0st | the only good perl app I like is movable type |
09:59.24 | drantin | so is yahoo i believe... |
09:59.36 | thegh0st | meh, I got the ebay source |
09:59.39 | thegh0st | ill double check in a bit |
09:59.56 | drantin | hm.. actually i think yahoo used to be c++... |
10:00.11 | drantin | they moved to an interpreted language a few years ago iirc... |
10:01.23 | XVampireX | Python |
10:01.44 | AegeanLinux | wt hell does iirc mean ? |
10:01.56 | Caster | if i recall correctly |
10:02.00 | XVampireX | IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY |
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10:02.11 | XVampireX | shh |
10:02.22 | XVampireX | recall = remember |
10:02.26 | XVampireX | Don't confuse these |
10:02.41 | drantin | as i used it, i define what it meant in my statement :P |
10:03.04 | XVampireX | No, you did it just to piss me off and to be mean to me |
10:03.11 | XVampireX | Cause you hate me |
10:03.39 | XVampireX | Ah, Enverex left the building long ago I see |
10:03.52 | drantin | $ wtf is iirc |
10:03.52 | drantin | IIRC: if I recall correctly |
10:04.18 | XVampireX | Sec |
10:04.24 | |James-S| | Hmm |
10:04.43 | drantin | j'ai faime... |
10:04.56 | illogic-al | je n'ai pas faime |
10:06.03 | drantin | faim* |
10:07.35 | thegh0st | mm |
10:07.42 | XVampireX | Lets see who is correct in wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IIRC |
10:07.48 | thegh0st | I have this really good curry dish in my fridge that goes amazing with rice :P |
10:08.23 | simmerz | is there a good ssh session manager for kde/linux? |
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10:08.41 | Caster | XVampireX: both? :) |
10:08.55 | XVampireX | SHHHHH |
10:11.01 | thegh0st | AFAIK kdelibs is a 30 minute fucking compile, pardon my french |
10:11.05 | thegh0st | mines been going for 2:30 |
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10:11.35 | XVampireX | irssi is useful |
10:11.40 | Caster | simmerz: ? |
10:11.48 | Caster | manager? |
10:12.25 | simmerz | Caster: something that i can save session settings with, and click them to log in to ssh servers with. |
10:13.42 | thegh0st | irssi owns |
10:13.46 | benJIman|work | thegh0st: get a faster machine :p |
10:13.53 | benJIman|work | thegh0st: or a binary distro :p |
10:14.09 | benJIman|work | ot takes less than 30m here fwiw |
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10:15.02 | mariust | takes more than 30min here |
10:15.18 | mariust | what is it compiling now? |
10:15.24 | thegh0st | benJIman|work: dual 2.2 xeons |
10:15.38 | thegh0st | i think its installing now |
10:15.52 | drantin | thegh0st: it will take longer if the folder its compiling within is not tmpfs... |
10:16.02 | thegh0st | meh |
10:16.06 | thegh0st | im running fbsd so its nor lol |
10:16.10 | thegh0st | *not |
10:16.16 | thegh0st | its done, woot |
10:16.26 | drantin | can you mount it as some kind of ram drive? |
10:17.06 | drantin | will give a nice speed increase on certain compiles... |
10:17.07 | thegh0st | meh, not sure |
10:18.19 | benJIman|work | thegh0st: tis faster with unsermake too |
10:18.44 | benJIman|work | thegh0st: but my machine is only a 3200+, 1gb ram @ 500mhz |
10:19.08 | thegh0st | ok |
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10:23.14 | simmerz | Caster: found it eventually in Konsole, but it's not very easy to find! |
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10:23.49 | Caster | ssh management in konsole? where? |
10:24.42 | drantin | create a session under session management that uses ssh as a shell? |
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10:27.29 | thegh0st | anyone in here using freebsd, I need some help :\ |
10:27.40 | thegh0st | noone in the fbsd channel knows :\ |
10:27.53 | Mythor | what do you need to know ? |
10:28.07 | drantin | thegh0st: if you can define the specific problem, i can try to help... no guarantees... |
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10:29.16 | thegh0st | drantin: well Im going to compile the plastik theme, im wonder what I need to use for --prefix in the config :P |
10:29.41 | drantin | thegh0st: wherever your kde installation is |
10:29.50 | drantin | for me it's /usr/kde/3.5 ... |
10:29.50 | thegh0st | drantin: dont have KDE installed, just kdelibs |
10:30.02 | drantin | thegh0st: check if the folder is there anyway... |
10:30.05 | logixoul | thegh0st: --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` |
10:30.16 | drantin | that should work too... forgot about that... |
10:30.17 | logixoul | thegh0st: (those are backquotes) |
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10:30.34 | thegh0st | kk |
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10:30.59 | drantin | what wm are you using thegh0st ? |
10:31.32 | drantin | s/.thegh0st/, thegh0st/ |
10:31.50 | thegh0st | bah |
10:31.53 | thegh0st | http://rafb.net/paste/results/emICqP90.html |
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10:41.45 | simmerz | whats happened to the kde wiki? |
10:42.30 | drantin | i ate it |
10:42.43 | thegh0st | I had the thighs |
10:42.57 | thegh0st | guessing drantin ate the breasts lol |
10:43.39 | thegh0st | lol |
10:43.52 | thegh0st | im bored waiting for my system update to complete |
10:44.02 | thegh0st | kdelibs is done though |
10:44.20 | simmerz | what protocol do i need to access an svn repo that is using http in quanta? svn+http or ksvn+http don't seem to work! |
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10:58.16 | osku | konqueror segment faults on netvibes.com |
10:58.18 | osku | :( |
10:58.53 | thegh0st | is there a qt-only version of lipstik ? |
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11:00.20 | thegh0st | anyways, where can I obtain plastique? |
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11:26.25 | XVampireX | sho_: So in the tech preview there won't be any new features? Just new APIs? |
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11:39.28 | roxy_ | atm, Ctrl-Space is bound to scim, How can I change it ? I can't find the entry in keyboard shortcut. |
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11:47.10 | XVampireX | roxy_: I think it's in scim itself |
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12:03.28 | roxy_ | XVampireX: found it in skim , thanks |
12:03.35 | XVampireX | :) |
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12:21.53 | Sho_ | XVampireX: Well new APIs are new features |
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12:22.13 | XVampireX | Sho_: but no Plasma in Tech preview, right? |
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12:22.44 | Sho_ | XVampireX: To be more specific: New APIs usually mean new abilities which directly translates to new features in KDE and apps |
12:22.45 | Sho_ | XVampireX: No |
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12:23.23 | XVampireX | Ah, ok, that's what I meant by new features :D |
12:23.31 | drantin | ども ありがとう Mr. Roboto |
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12:24.40 | Sho_ | XVampireX: The tech preview will most likely be libs only apparently |
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12:25.13 | XVampireX | drantin: love this song :P |
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12:26.30 | drantin | was why you were asked yesterday to shorten it... |
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12:29.25 | logixoul | islamguidedotcom: every time you login with that nick, one baby dolphin dies! |
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12:56.38 | thegh0st | where can I get the kde theme plastique? |
12:56.42 | thegh0st | *the qt theme |
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13:00.39 | thegh0st | anyone? |
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13:03.01 | DeadS0ul | have you tried kde-look.org |
13:03.28 | thegh0st | yes |
13:03.30 | thegh0st | wasnt in there |
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13:05.16 | DeadS0ul | =\ |
13:05.20 | DeadS0ul | that's the main place |
13:05.29 | thegh0st | couldnt find it on google |
13:05.36 | thegh0st | but there is mention of it, I know it exists |
13:05.51 | DeadS0ul | tried googling it? |
13:06.11 | emss | plastik? |
13:06.22 | thegh0st | emss: plastik for qt-only, no kde required |
13:06.25 | thegh0st | its called plastique |
13:08.36 | thegh0st | any ideas where it could be? |
13:08.41 | thegh0st | I did try google, nothing |
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13:13.31 | emss | plastique is part ofr qt4 |
13:13.46 | DeadS0ul | what's it look like? |
13:13.53 | logixoul | DeadS0ul: like plastic |
13:13.55 | logixoul | k |
13:13.56 | DeadS0ul | plastik is part of qt4 |
13:14.00 | DeadS0ul | logixoul: XP |
13:14.21 | logixoul | DeadS0ul: plastique is part of qt4, plastic is part of kde3 |
13:14.24 | logixoul | plastik* |
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13:14.49 | logixoul | was "XP" supposed to be a smiley? |
13:15.37 | DeadS0ul | yeah |
13:15.41 | DeadS0ul | :P sorta |
13:17.07 | thegh0st | k well |
13:17.10 | thegh0st | kdebase is a large compile |
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13:25.53 | DeadS0ul | I'm trying to learn qt programming, what program source should I read to get an idea for a basic kde app? |
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13:32.25 | RockMan | ciao |
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13:37.11 | logixoul | DeadS0ul: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/index.html , but for kde development there is the #kde-devel channel |
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13:38.25 | DeadS0ul | danke |
13:39.32 | logixoul | keine probleme |
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13:42.27 | shastry | hey guys |
13:42.48 | shastry | anyone know the name of the project thats trying to make system admin stuff ? |
13:42.53 | shastry | like X config |
13:42.59 | shastry | initscripts config etc ? |
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13:44.45 | thegh0st | why does the version of kdebase in the trunk fail in like 15 minutes of compile? |
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13:54.01 | bushit | Hi |
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13:54.22 | kbrooks | http://dot.kde.org/1108778399/1108791534/ - #pykde :-) |
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14:33.26 | Sho_ | xushi_: Press 'F2' to open the Server List dialog, and when editing the respective network, add the channel to the Auto Join Channels list for that network |
14:33.39 | xushi_ | thanks |
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14:52.04 | bluesceada | will kde support xgl before version 4 ? |
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15:02.00 | erg0t | hi, is possible to switch virtual desktops moving the cursor to the sides like enlightenment? |
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15:07.53 | brockers | aseigo is a vim guy? Say it ain't so. |
15:08.04 | Japsu | vim <3 |
15:08.05 | Japsu | hmm |
15:08.09 | Japsu | what's the state of kvim btw |
15:08.22 | Japsu | last time I checked it was "broken, waiting for vim 7" |
15:08.28 | Japsu | but vim 7 is out now :o |
15:09.08 | benJIman|work | Japsu: it's been superceded by something else |
15:09.13 | thegh0st | kvim is qtvim im guessing? |
15:09.31 | Japsu | benJIman|work: hmm |
15:09.41 | brockers | The project has been dropped in favor of a vim-alike replacement |
15:10.02 | thegh0st | just use gvim |
15:10.07 | Japsu | there's "kde-base/vimpart" in Gentoo's Portage but it's version 3.4.2 :E |
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15:10.08 | benJIman|work | Japsu: http://www.yzis.org/ |
15:10.09 | thegh0st | and get the gtk-qt theme engine :P |
15:10.10 | brockers | Yzis |
15:10.22 | benJIman|work | Japsu: it's the kvim replacement |
15:10.38 | Japsu | hmm, it's also not in portage |
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15:10.45 | Japsu | THIS WILL CHANGE. |
15:11.00 | thegh0st | how come everyone in here uses Gentoo? |
15:11.29 | brockers | Suse 10.1 here |
15:11.34 | brockers | but that will change soon |
15:11.46 | brockers | probably moving to Kubuntu |
15:12.02 | Japsu | thegh0st: because gentoo is 0,4 % faster than kubuntu! |
15:12.04 | drantin | i just like gentoo... |
15:12.27 | drantin | don't mind other systems... I just like gentoo... |
15:12.42 | brockers | Here are some ebuilds for yzis: http://www.yzis.org/Members/panard/new-ebuild-for-yzis/ |
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15:17.54 | Japsu | brockers: At least the newest yzis svn ebuild is broken due to svn.freenux.org giving a 403. |
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22:35.17 | *** topic/#kde is Latest releases: stable: 3.5.4. See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Flamewars of every kind, don't even start, or you will be banned | Don't delete ~/.kde ! |
22:35.32 | AoA | o, ok, and does it have WEB interface for configuring ? |
22:36.05 | Renze | yes |
22:36.15 | AoA | may I look into ? |
22:36.18 | Renze | nope |
22:36.21 | AoA | :) |
22:36.40 | AoA | so, you need to configure that port forwardnmg ? |
22:36.51 | AoA | and do you use firewall in router ? |
22:36.56 | Renze | no, my router has upnp, so ktorrent forwards the ports for me |
22:36.56 | Sho_ | MetaMorfoziS: What bug? |
22:37.04 | Renze | yes, I use the firewall - full stealth |
22:37.15 | MetaMorfoziS | that i'm said before 2days, @ #konversation |
22:37.27 | AoA | <Renze> what is upnp exactly ? |
22:37.34 | MetaMorfoziS | if i copyes more than 10 lines to a channel, my lag is goin got incredible |
22:37.45 | Renze | a protocol for requesting ports to be forwarded from a router to a computer |
22:38.07 | MetaMorfoziS | the same happens, if i selects all users at right, and i do a command on the selected users, forex rightclick -> add voice |
22:38.47 | AoA | <Renze> so if I enable that I dont need to do manualy entering ports for applications ? |
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22:39.07 | AoA | <MetaMorfoziS> use kvirc , or ksirc |
22:39.13 | Renze | AoA: only if your app supports upnp |
22:39.26 | MetaMorfoziS | no, i'm use konversation, because it's the best, but have 1-2 bugs... |
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22:39.30 | AoA | <Renze> and torrent does ? |
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22:39.44 | Renze | the ktorrent client comes with a upnp plugin |
22:39.57 | AoA | pffff |
22:40.56 | R6ale | btw |
22:41.17 | R6ale | anyone has a reason why i shouldnt install opensuse? |
22:41.47 | MetaMorfoziS | install kubuntu.) |
22:43.05 | R6ale | im torn between opensuse and kubuntu |
22:43.08 | R6ale | ubuntu* |
22:43.10 | R6ale | whatever :D |
22:43.32 | Renze | *cough*gentoo*cough* |
22:43.50 | MetaMorfoziS | okay, but for lamers, kubuntu is the better:) |
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22:44.04 | MetaMorfoziS | and i think at this case we may stop flaming:) |
22:44.09 | R6ale | im 81% done with opensuse netinstall... so you better convince me soon :P |
22:44.38 | Renze | go with whatever you want... it's the best way to learn what distro you like :) |
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22:45.19 | R6ale | hehe |
22:45.30 | R6ale | i dont know what i want... all i know is that im done with debian |
22:45.39 | Renze | it's how I learned that RedHat sucks :D |
22:45.48 | AoA | I done with debian while ago |
22:46.04 | Renze | I'm done with binary package distros :D |
22:46.12 | AoA | gentoo maybe ? |
22:46.21 | Renze | yup |
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22:46.24 | AoA | :) |
22:46.47 | R6ale | whats wrong with binaries? |
22:47.03 | R6ale | ok, ok, ill check gentoo's website =/ |
22:47.03 | AoA | I dont know |
22:47.19 | Renze | they're built by somebody else and require specific versions of other packages |
22:47.41 | AoA | o, yes dependecy problems |
22:48.35 | R6ale | thats why you have a package manager |
22:48.54 | AoA | o, yes, and veeeeeeeeeryy old packages |
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22:50.18 | R6ale | =/ |
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22:52.45 | marcmarc | JOIN #ruby-lang |
22:53.55 | Renze | you forgot the / |
22:54.42 | lunitik | Of course, I'd never use KDE on Fedora though :o |
22:55.08 | R6ale | downloading kubuntu now |
22:55.27 | stoned | hi |
22:55.48 | AoA | does somebody use KDE on remote control for TV ? |
22:56.07 | lunitik | Sid doesn't even have glibc 2.4... still 2.3.6 :( |
22:56.31 | AoA | sid debian lunitik ? |
22:56.37 | lunitik | Then, most Gentoo users probably aren't using glibc 2.4 either... that'd require compiling their whole system again. |
22:56.39 | lunitik | AoA: yes |
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22:57.01 | AoA | <lunitik> I hate debian because of that UN update packages |
22:57.02 | Renze | lunitik: some people seem to like emerge -e world :) |
22:57.24 | lunitik | Renze: you using glibc 2.4? |
22:57.33 | Renze | not yet... I'm not one of those people :) |
22:57.46 | lunitik | AoA: My Debian system is probably more up to date than yours |
22:57.56 | stoned | Renze, hi |
22:57.57 | lunitik | s/yours/your system currently/ |
22:58.02 | Renze | hey stoned |
22:58.11 | stoned | man, I just got home from work |
22:58.15 | stoned | I learned something today |
22:58.22 | lunitik | Renze: yeah, you already said you don't care about speed :/ |
22:58.25 | stoned | I am not going to steal money from old ladies |
22:58.26 | stoned | :) |
22:58.47 | stoned | *DELL* |
22:58.47 | lunitik | It takes a patient person to use Gentoo. |
22:58.48 | stoned | etc. |
22:58.57 | Renze | lunitik: when it comes to something as vital as glibc, I choose stability :D |
22:59.05 | lunitik | And someone that lacks any kind of life too |
22:59.16 | stoned | what a dick |
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22:59.30 | stoned | lunitik spends more time on irc than ANYONE else I know |
22:59.31 | thegh0st | I got gentoo! lol |
22:59.34 | thegh0st | im going back to linux |
22:59.36 | stoned | and hes talking about gentoo users with no life |
22:59.37 | stoned | hah |
22:59.42 | thegh0st | my bsd install broke |
22:59.47 | thegh0st | too lazy to bother |
22:59.51 | lunitik | Renze: Debian seems to have the same mentality... I'm more for the speed thing *shrug* |
23:00.12 | thegh0st | finally, I can compile with -j5 |
23:00.14 | Renze | lunitik: I do use some unstable packages... just not the vital ones :) |
23:00.19 | thegh0st | and use all my cpu for compiling :d |
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23:00.44 | lunitik | Renze: you compile all your packages with sub-optimal optimizations... you don't like speed... you've said this before |
23:00.56 | Renze | I'm not a ricer :P |
23:01.18 | stoned | yeh you are |
23:01.20 | stoned | don't lie |
23:01.22 | stoned | :D |
23:01.30 | Renze | hmmm... I think my local weather service is broken... reporting 0°C |
23:01.38 | stoned | no |
23:01.41 | lunitik | thegh0st: again, not good for _all_ packages... |
23:01.42 | stoned | I think your weather is broken |
23:01.51 | Renze | it's sunny outside |
23:01.53 | stoned | ypu |
23:01.54 | stoned | broken |
23:01.57 | thegh0st | lunitik: Ive used gentoo before, for like 3 months |
23:02.06 | thegh0st | then my install broke, and once again was too lazy to reinstall rofl |
23:02.24 | thegh0st | that was under 2 weeks ago haha |
23:02.24 | lunitik | thegh0st: cool? still not good to compile everything with the same optimization flags |
23:02.52 | thegh0st | lunitik: why not? |
23:03.02 | thegh0st | doesnt -j5 make it compile faster? |
23:03.22 | lunitik | thegh0st: because not every package reacts the same to optimizations... |
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23:03.35 | lunitik | Most just compile with -O2 etc... which is retarded |
23:04.18 | lunitik | Actually costs you more performance than it gives you |
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23:05.13 | thegh0st | really? |
23:05.22 | lunitik | Binary distro maintainers... at least the distro's that are worth while, know their packages, and have every package optimized best for that package... |
23:05.49 | lunitik | That's something you get with 1500+ developers specializing on only a few packages... |
23:06.01 | lunitik | Trying to maintain a whole system doesn't give you that |
23:06.10 | lunitik | thegh0st: yes |
23:06.21 | stoned | haha |
23:06.29 | stoned | there are zoning laws dude |
23:06.31 | stoned | dont' zone out |
23:06.32 | stoned | :D |
23:06.39 | Renze | buh? |
23:06.41 | stoned | ok that was a lame joke |
23:06.45 | stoned | :( |
23:07.34 | lunitik | Renze doesn't care about speed though, he just thinks its cool wasting CPU cycles so you can leave out features etc... |
23:07.50 | lunitik | Kinda retarded in my opinion... |
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23:08.39 | lunitik | My opinion is just like yours... |
23:08.46 | Renze | worthless |
23:08.51 | lunitik | Exactly |
23:09.02 | Renze | then stop pushing yours on everybody |
23:09.03 | lunitik | But at least I don't waste hours compiling |
23:09.08 | Renze | it's getting very dull |
23:09.23 | tukit | can anyone tell me if can see the site www.zapp.pt using konq? |
23:09.48 | AoA | <tukit> |
23:09.50 | AoA | use no prob |
23:09.54 | lunitik | tukit: yes... install flash |
23:10.06 | Renze | tukit: no problems here, although it's kinda ugly |
23:10.20 | AoA | just flash need |
23:10.24 | Renze | and they stole stuff from homestarrunner.com |
23:10.59 | Renze | anywho... I'm outta here for a while |
23:11.46 | AoA | lunitik just need flash plugin |
23:11.51 | AoA | from macromedia |
23:12.12 | lunitik | AoA: if you don't care about proprietary shit, sure |
23:12.40 | AoA | no care about anything, just need working stuff |
23:13.05 | thegh0st | lunitik: what CPU you using? |
23:13.10 | Caster | hmm I deleted an entry from K Menu, how to get it back via its /usr/share/applications/foo.desktop file? |
23:13.22 | lunitik | gcjwebplugin seems to solve one... maybe gnash can solve the other... |
23:13.36 | lunitik | thegh0st: AMD Athlon XP 1800+ |
23:13.49 | thegh0st | lunitik: what did you put for the -march flag in make.conf? |
23:14.06 | lunitik | thegh0st: --athlon-xp or whatever? |
23:15.45 | lunitik | That's mostly useless for most things though... most devel's don't write arch specific things... not much speed boost outside of kernel |
23:16.31 | lunitik | (mplayer being an example that ensures I write "mostly") |
23:17.35 | lunitik | Although neither Xine nor Gstreamer have such march optimizations... |
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