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| 00:05.29 | i07 | I'm having a problem with my user accound, when I log in with my user, all text shows up as squares, but if I startx as root and startkde as root then the text is fine, anyone know what the problem is? |
| 00:07.02 | Mythor | im guessing here, but you should check if your users has rights to access your fonts |
| 00:09.15 | i07 | Mythor: how would I fix that? |
| 00:09.35 | i07 | Mythor: or more specificaly, how do I check if my fonts are accessable by root only |
| 00:09.51 | stoned | i07, create another user and try |
| 00:10.02 | stoned | if it works, then you probably have user specific font problems |
| 00:10.15 | stoned | if it dont' work, then try what Mythor said |
| 00:10.26 | stoned | doesn't |
| 00:10.30 | stoned | garh |
| 00:10.31 | i07 | alright |
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| 00:46.47 | i07 | stoned: I created one, and I had the same problem + errors |
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| 01:14.57 | i07 | When I log into KDE with any of my user accounts all text shows up as squares. This does not however happen when I log in as root. Could someone help me restore my fonts? |
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| 01:35.50 | i07 | When I log into KDE with any of my user accounts all text shows up as squares. This does not however happen when I log in as root. Could someone help me restore my fonts? |
| 01:36.01 | qupada | Renze: you about? |
| 01:38.38 | Dirus | i07: it sounds like you have your locale or language set funny |
| 01:39.03 | Dirus | either that or you're using a font on those other accounts without your character set |
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| 01:54.35 | i07 | Dirus: ugh, how do I reinstall kde? |
| 01:55.11 | Dirus | i07: your settings would still be there in your home directory under .kde |
| 01:55.43 | Dirus | they always say don't "rm -rf ~/.kde" but that's how you'd reset your settings, not reinstalling it |
| 01:56.58 | Dirus | you might have to delete other .kde directories too if they are there, like .kde3.5 or ,kderc |
| 01:57.23 | Dirus | I don't know because I've never done it, if no one else is around who knows how to fix the program you could always just do that for the user that it doesn't work for anymore, shrug |
| 01:58.05 | stoned | Dirus, thats not going to help him |
| 01:58.23 | Dirus | moreso then reinstalling kde |
| 01:58.28 | stoned | that won't help either |
| 01:58.33 | i07 | eeks what do I do |
| 01:58.40 | stoned | i07, what distro? |
| 01:58.43 | i07 | debian |
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| 01:59.08 | stoned | go to #debian and ask there. Also mention that possibly your regular users can't access fonts maybe? ask them what the problem might be and how to fix it |
| 01:59.13 | stoned | this is not kde specific btw |
| 01:59.20 | stoned | rather os specific |
| 01:59.26 | stoned | as far as I can tell however |
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| 01:59.30 | Dirus | try just regular x |
| 01:59.30 | unity | is there an iso io slave? |
| 01:59.40 | unity | or any io slave for mdf, or daa? |
| 01:59.52 | Dirus | i07 start X without kde and see if your fonts are fine then |
| 01:59.59 | stoned | unity, no linux software supports mounting those formats |
| 02:00.04 | i07 | stoned: I'm blaming you when they tell me its kde related =P |
| 02:00.25 | stoned | unity, there is however mdf/daa to iso convertor |
| 02:00.26 | unity | stoned: not mine apparently...i get errors on mounting isos and i don't even feel like fixing them anymore |
| 02:00.31 | i07 | Dirus, they work when I startx only |
| 02:00.34 | stoned | unity, what errors? |
| 02:00.37 | fildo | morning |
| 02:00.42 | Dirus | i07: then it's a kde thing |
| 02:00.52 | unity | stoned: ehh i forgot, i think something about a loopback device being in use |
| 02:00.54 | stoned | i07, looks like a kde issue |
| 02:01.02 | unity | stoned: or all 8 loopback devices are in use |
| 02:01.27 | unity | stoned: i don't have the patience to fix it anymore; spent a day on it; but thanks for offering help |
| 02:01.49 | stoned | working hard and working smart are two different things |
| 02:01.53 | stoned | hard work is stupid |
| 02:02.00 | stoned | smart work is always cool |
| 02:02.02 | i07 | stoned: now that it is a kde issue, will you help me please? |
| 02:02.35 | stoned | i07, changed the font yet? try to go to kcontrol and change the fonts |
| 02:02.44 | stoned | so what if you can 't read, you should be familiar with the box anyway |
| 02:02.49 | stoned | dialog box I mean |
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| 02:05.21 | i07 | stoned: I am new to kde, how do I change the fonts? |
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| 02:06.25 | Dirus | hmm, if you're new it might be hard to do without any letters |
| 02:06.59 | Dirus | the control center icon is a monitor with a blue screen and a green box in front to the right |
| 02:07.36 | ecastro | I'm having problems with kaffeine... when playing any video file i hear the audio but there is no video output... any idea? |
| 02:07.41 | i07 | found it, now uh what to do in it |
| 02:07.54 | i07 | Dirus I found it, just I do not know where to go |
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| 02:08.21 | Dirus | expand the icon with one orange blob covering one blue blob |
| 02:08.34 | Dirus | that one should have the true type icon (two Ts) |
| 02:08.45 | Dirus | click on the true type icon |
| 02:08.56 | Dirus | doh, wrong one |
| 02:09.05 | Dirus | where is that guy who was helping you? |
| 02:09.29 | Dirus | ok you don't want the two blobs/gears, you want the very fist one |
| 02:09.35 | i07 | Dirus, there is an error |
| 02:09.37 | Dirus | then in there theres the two Ts |
| 02:09.47 | Dirus | what sort of error? |
| 02:09.56 | Dirus | this may now be a thing for your distro's channe; |
| 02:09.59 | Dirus | channel |
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| 02:10.04 | Dirus | depending on the error |
| 02:10.08 | i07 | Dirus, error loading module |
| 02:10.19 | Murrlin | good evening |
| 02:10.32 | i07 | this wasnt always so though.. it happened after I installed the nvidia driver from the nvidia site |
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| 02:11.25 | Dirus | well I don't know what to do from there |
| 02:11.45 | Dirus | no one in here is awake to help I guess |
| 02:12.36 | Dirus | you could ask in your distro's channel or delete your .kde directories as a last resort |
| 02:14.20 | i07 | Dirus, where is .kde |
| 02:14.39 | Dirus | it's per user, so it'd be in the home directory of the user that no longer sees fonts |
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| 02:14.57 | Dirus | it's hidden so you need -a to see it, ie "ls -la ~" |
| 02:15.35 | Dirus | or "la -la /home/user" |
| 02:15.39 | Dirus | err ls -la |
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| 02:31.25 | i07 | Dirus: deleting the .kde's did not work |
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| 02:34.00 | Dhraakellian | is it possible to turn off that little message that comes up every time konqueror blocks a popup? |
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| 02:34.50 | Dan_Mackay | there should be |
| 02:35.39 | i07 | How do I completely reinstall kde? |
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| 02:37.46 | Dhraakellian | i07: that depends very much on your distro |
| 02:38.25 | i07 | Dhraakellian: I have debian |
| 02:39.17 | Dhraakellian | i07: I'd probably ask in either #debian or #debian-kde |
| 02:39.25 | stoned | i07, still no luck? |
| 02:39.42 | Dhraakellian | if you want to reinstall KDE, that is |
| 02:39.56 | stoned | apt-get --purge remove kde* |
| 02:40.08 | i07 | stoned, nope. I feel like getting another distro or something |
| 02:40.14 | stoned | no need |
| 02:40.26 | stoned | instead of doing that, you should learn to fix the problem |
| 02:40.37 | stoned | sure it might take its time, and might seem hard, but you WILL learn |
| 02:42.17 | i07 | stoned: I pmed you the results of apt-get --purge remove kde, it didnt work |
| 02:42.59 | stoned | did you try it as root? |
| 02:43.14 | i07 | yes |
| 02:43.16 | stoned | and please don't msg me |
| 02:43.21 | stoned | ~paster |
| 02:43.23 | apt | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 02:43.35 | carl_1 | How do I get icons in my taskbar? |
| 02:44.21 | stoned | i07, what exactly is the reason you want to reinstall kde? |
| 02:45.02 | Dhraakellian | carl_1: kcontrol > Desktop > Taskbar |
| 02:45.03 | stoned | unless you actually removed kde's system files as root, you don't need to reinstall kde |
| 02:45.12 | Dhraakellian | [x] Show application icons |
| 02:45.25 | carl_1 | Dhraakellian: Oh wow im blind |
| 02:45.26 | carl_1 | thanks |
| 02:45.28 | stoned | i07, if anything, try doing rm -rd ~/.kde |
| 02:45.36 | Dhraakellian | or use kasbar, with which the icons feature more prominantly than the window titles |
| 02:45.45 | stoned | yes I know I am probably doing to get flamed for the suggestion of removing ~/.kde |
| 02:45.52 | stoned | but thats how you reset kde back to default |
| 02:45.55 | Dhraakellian | mv |
| 02:45.56 | stoned | like I said earlier |
| 02:46.00 | i07 | stoned: to get rid of the squares for text, and to reset all the mistakes I've made and eww.. my kde is so icky, I've deleted certain files all over the place that kde tells me is the problem, I've deleted files that certain people advised me to and I dont get anything but errors |
| 02:46.01 | Dhraakellian | not rm |
| 02:46.22 | stoned | Dhraakellian, or that |
| 02:46.30 | stoned | i07, oh boy |
| 02:46.37 | Dhraakellian | i07: getting rid of squares for text? what sort of text? |
| 02:46.52 | stoned | Dhraakellian, his fonts are fucked up while using X as user |
| 02:46.58 | stoned | with root, they are fine |
| 02:47.12 | Dhraakellian | if it's non-ascii stuff only, my advice would be to fiddle with encoding stuff or use a font like the DejaVu family |
| 02:47.14 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 02:47.20 | Dhraakellian | permissions on the fonts? |
| 02:47.25 | Dhraakellian | just a guess |
| 02:47.25 | stoned | thats what I suggested |
| 02:47.28 | stoned | a while ago |
| 02:47.32 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
| 02:47.36 | Dhraakellian | an obvious guess, then |
| 02:47.40 | stoned | of course |
| 02:47.49 | stoned | he added another user, still no fonts |
| 02:48.00 | stoned | I am guessing X authority file is maybe screwed? |
| 02:48.11 | stoned | no perms for users maybe |
| 02:48.11 | Dhraakellian | does it happen with a non-KDE WM/DE+ |
| 02:48.14 | Dhraakellian | ?* |
| 02:48.15 | stoned | no |
| 02:48.19 | stoned | if started as X it works |
| 02:48.23 | stoned | I think thats what he said |
| 02:48.24 | stoned | not sure |
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| 02:48.42 | stoned | <i07> this wasnt always so though.. it happened after I installed the nvidia driver from the nvidia site |
| 02:48.47 | stoned | THERE is your problem |
| 02:48.52 | stoned | ~nvidia one-liner |
| 02:48.54 | apt | apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick ... |
| 02:48.58 | stoned | ~nvidia |
| 02:49.00 | apt | well, nvidia is proprietary? no dri? |
| 02:49.04 | stoned | hmm |
| 02:49.15 | stoned | i07, there ya go |
| 02:49.33 | stoned | i07, btw, first use the --uninstall option for removing the nvidia binary drivers |
| 02:50.02 | stoned | i07, debian has its own way of compiling the nvidia kernel module. If nvidia binary driver is used from the site, its usually known to break a debian system horribly |
| 02:50.19 | stoned | i07, consult the nvidia documentation |
| 02:50.51 | stoned | i07, also you can try to use force confimiss in apt if you remove kde files and reinstall kde by like so |
| 02:50.56 | stoned | ~confmiss |
| 02:50.57 | apt | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. This is usually not the case.... |
| 02:51.06 | stoned | er.. |
| 02:51.13 | stoned | apt-get install --reinstall blah |
| 02:51.17 | stoned | I think* not sure |
| 02:55.31 | qupada | hey Renze. telecom got their a into g and connected my dsl |
| 02:55.32 | qupada | finally |
| 02:55.42 | Renze | threats work, huh? |
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| 02:58.08 | ykphuah | when I install fonts using kde control center, does the fonts actually gets copied? I have installed loads of fonts from my windows partition and now I am trying to delete those fonts. |
| 02:58.40 | ykphuah | i tried to find them in X11/fonts directory but seems that they are not there. |
| 02:58.44 | qupada | Renze: apparently they do |
| 02:58.58 | Renze | ykphuah: did you install the fonts as user or as root? |
| 02:59.06 | ykphuah | Renze: root |
| 03:00.27 | Renze | ykphuah: have a look somewhere in /usr/local/share/fonts |
| 03:00.31 | ykphuah | i want to uninstall all those that are not default in my system. |
| 03:00.35 | hagabaka | is the Run Command window a program? |
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| 03:00.45 | Renze | hagabaka: no |
| 03:00.48 | hagabaka | i suddenly can't get it to open anymore |
| 03:00.52 | i07 | waitaminute, wtfux? Package kde is not installed, so not removed |
| 03:01.03 | ykphuah | Renze: oh |
| 03:01.09 | ykphuah | Renze: all the while I was looking under /usr/X11 |
| 03:01.27 | ykphuah | Renze: can I just delete all the files in there? |
| 03:01.29 | Renze | hagabaka: try: dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand |
| 03:01.34 | ykphuah | Renze: will it screw up font installer? |
| 03:01.35 | Renze | ykphuah: that's up to you |
| 03:01.42 | Renze | ykphuah: it might |
| 03:01.47 | Renze | I've never tried it |
| 03:02.11 | ykphuah | Renze: let me try removing one |
| 03:02.20 | ykphuah | Renze: I am lazy to do matching and delete from the UI |
| 03:02.25 | Renze | heh |
| 03:02.32 | hagabaka | ah, no wonder, my kdesktop crashed |
| 03:02.54 | hagabaka | but the background was still redrawing itself for some reason |
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| 03:03.42 | i07 | stoned: I did the apt-get --purge remove kde, but I got back Package kde is not installed, so not removed |
| 03:03.48 | stoned | kde* |
| 03:03.51 | stoned | wildcard |
| 03:04.19 | stoned | i07, this is debian specific, please also consult with #debian and #debian-kde |
| 03:04.26 | ykphuah | Renze: alright, seems that kde control center does not get screwed up, :) thanks! |
| 03:04.33 | Renze | no problem :) |
| 03:04.41 | i07 | stoned: I am |
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| 04:35.13 | SAngeli | Hi, anybody Xen user in channel? |
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| 04:38.18 | Pagan0ne | can someone help me with xinerama, xorg, nvidia, and a panning issue accrost multipul monitors at different resolutions? |
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| 04:41.34 | Pagan0ne | sorry about that, if someone responded to my query could you please re-respond |
| 04:42.59 | SAngeli | Pagan0ne: nobody did so far. Sorry. |
| 04:43.26 | Pagan0ne | sok |
| 04:44.14 | Pagan0ne | im going crazy, all i want is my secondary smaller monitor to become a "junk" workspace where my toolbars and whatnot dont span to it, and have it run at a lower res than my primary monitor |
| 04:47.17 | SAngeli | Pagan0ne: what distro are you using? |
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| 04:47.35 | Pagan0ne | kubuntu |
| 04:48.31 | SAngeli | I advice you to go to #kubuntu channel and ask there. Unfortunately, I am not experienced to assist you. |
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| 04:48.58 | Pagan0ne | SAngeli: unfortunatly they have been about as much help as a large rock |
| 04:49.00 | Renze | it's certainly not a KDE issue... it's an X issue |
| 04:49.29 | Pagan0ne | SAngeli: i think its more of an xorg issue, i just joined there and am trying to get help |
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| 04:50.29 | SAngeli | good |
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| 04:51.20 | Pagan0ne | Renze: yeah i figured as much, but i am just trying to get help from anyone that has a clue what might be wrong |
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| 04:54.24 | hagabaka | does KDE provide a "select folder" dialog? i see one in KTorrent, and have a problem with it, but i'm not sure if KTorrent made it or it came with KDE. is there another program that has it? |
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| 04:55.12 | hagabaka | it's the dialog that shows up if you don't set a default folder to save downloads |
| 04:55.29 | Renze | that's provided by KDE, but I've never had any problems with it |
| 04:55.53 | hagabaka | the issue i have is I can't type a path in the textbox and press Enter to select it; i have to choose it in the treeview |
| 04:56.49 | Renze | I've always just used the treeview |
| 04:57.17 | hagabaka | also, if i type a path with a hidden file or directory and press Enter, like ~/.something/, after I close the dialog, another Konqueror window will give me an error saying that directory doesn't have a parent :/ |
| 04:57.48 | hagabaka | well, not another Konqueror window, but the error will get grouped with the Konqueror windows |
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| 04:58.29 | hagabaka | could you try if the textbox works for you? |
| 04:59.03 | hagabaka | i'll file a bug if not |
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| 04:59.34 | Renze | file the bug |
| 05:05.02 | hagabaka | looks like it's already http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109615 |
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| 05:12.59 | XVampireX | So alot of you use gentoo? |
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| 05:14.54 | hagabaka | maybe tabbars with scroll buttons would be more usable if mousewheeling on them, or at least on scroll buttons would scroll the tab bar, instead of switching to each consecutively |
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| 05:36.19 | b3nj | hi there, does anyone mentionned that the 3.5.4 version has a (little) bug with twinscreen ? when i select "align icons on the grid, they get aligned, but all on the first screen" |
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| 05:36.55 | juvinious | is it possible to set the resolution with dcop? |
| 05:37.27 | Renze | juvinious: I don't think so |
| 05:37.42 | Renze | krandrtray doesn't seem to have any dcop functions |
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| 05:38.38 | juvinious | hmm figures |
| 05:39.17 | Renze | it is really X's job to set resolution... KDE just provides some front-ends |
| 05:39.37 | juvinious | ok thanks |
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| 05:40.29 | juvinious | xrandr should be able to right? |
| 05:40.49 | juvinious | yeah ok |
| 05:40.54 | juvinious | lates |
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| 05:43.45 | hagabaka | hmm, bugs.kde.org is letting me using 105 votes |
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| 06:31.30 | tipote | Hi all |
| 06:31.47 | tipote | What program is responsible for drawing the background in kde ? |
| 06:31.54 | Renze | kdesktop |
| 06:34.04 | tipote | thank you ! |
| 06:34.10 | Renze | no problem |
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| 06:41.43 | DjDarkman | hy ,I`ve read that there`s a way to make OOo adept to the kde look ,how can this be done? |
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| 06:43.37 | Renze | DjDarkman: it has to be compiled with that option, afaik |
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| 06:47.19 | Shirakawasuna | hey Renze, fix my annoying gentoo issues :) |
| 06:47.25 | Shirakawasuna | use your magical KDE wand |
| 06:47.44 | Renze | I don't take my wand outta my pants for just anybody ;) |
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| 06:48.32 | Shirakawasuna | but I'm special :) |
| 06:49.02 | Renze | what issues are you having? |
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| 07:29.26 | laitment | Is there a way to set a QT theme without having KDE installed? |
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| 07:32.21 | smiler | laitment: qtconfig |
| 07:32.23 | smiler | hmm |
| 07:32.30 | smiler | or maybe that one doesnt do themes |
| 07:32.54 | smiler | oh yes it does |
| 07:32.54 | smiler | :> |
| 07:33.28 | laitment | Yay. Thankee. |
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| 08:05.56 | Shirakawasuna | anyone have a favorite window dec for kde? I'm getting a little sick of clearlooks2 |
| 08:06.05 | Shirakawasuna | QtCurve is the style of choice, naturally |
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| 08:07.09 | benJIman | goes nicely with qtcurve |
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| 08:09.18 | Shirakawasuna | isn't that plastik? |
| 08:09.29 | Renze | I kinda like the polyester windeco |
| 08:09.53 | Renze | just don't use it near an open flame |
| 08:10.45 | Shirakawasuna | :) |
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| 08:28.16 | vranikx | hello all, does anybody knows how can i associate torrent files to open in ktorrent? every time when i open .torrent i must type ktorrent to open it...what i must do? |
| 08:28.16 | vranikx | when i click in ktorrent to .torrent file it opens menu, when i must type ktorrent (there are no something like use allways this program to open this type of file so i need to know how can i associate it to open in ktorrent (make mime type) |
| 08:28.52 | Renze | ktorrent should have set up that association automatically when you installed it |
| 08:29.23 | vranikx | but it wont open it automaticaly so how can i make mime type? |
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| 08:29.35 | drantin | vranikx: check the file associations in kcontrol |
| 08:29.52 | drantin | under kde components |
| 08:30.02 | vranikx | drantin: i checked but there are no such thing like torrent |
| 08:30.15 | drantin | application/x-bittorrent |
| 08:30.46 | drantin | set the filenames to .torrent and .tor (that's what i have anyway) |
| 08:30.57 | drantin | then select the program you want to open them with |
| 08:31.01 | vranikx | i dont have it there |
| 08:31.24 | vranikx | so first what i must do? i am noob |
| 08:31.56 | drantin | click add in the bottom left |
| 08:32.03 | vranikx | ok |
| 08:32.04 | vranikx | then? |
| 08:32.04 | drantin | select application from the drop-down menu |
| 08:32.13 | drantin | type in x-bittorrent |
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| 08:32.20 | vranikx | ok |
| 08:32.23 | vranikx | i have then? |
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| 08:32.32 | drantin | do what i said earlier now that you have it |
| 08:32.57 | vranikx | ok and what is integrated tab? |
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| 08:33.17 | vranikx | respectively for what is it? |
| 08:33.32 | drantin | you don't need it for torrent files |
| 08:33.41 | vranikx | oki, thanx man |
| 08:33.43 | drantin | it's more for text and video as to what to use within konqueror |
| 08:33.47 | vranikx | i will try it |
| 08:34.03 | Renze | did you add ktorrent to the list of applications? |
| 08:34.14 | drantin | a description may also be good to add for the mimetype... |
| 08:34.33 | drantin | mine is BitTorrent Download, but choose what you like... |
| 08:34.51 | vranikx | oki, i name it ktorrent |
| 08:35.08 | vranikx | so? is it all? |
| 08:35.12 | vranikx | only this? |
| 08:35.15 | drantin | should be, apply and try it out |
| 08:35.24 | drantin | may have to restart konqueror |
| 08:35.28 | vranikx | oki, i`ll try it |
| 08:35.35 | vranikx | aha, ok, i am do restarting |
| 08:35.52 | vranikx | thank you drantin |
| 08:35.52 | vranikx | :D |
| 08:35.55 | vranikx | (y) |
| 08:36.02 | drantin | working then? |
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| 08:38.02 | vranikx | ok, i tried it and it wont working :( |
| 08:38.07 | vranikx | still the same |
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| 08:38.53 | vranikx | drantin_away: stil the same :( |
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| 08:55.00 | Kalidarn | hmm whats the kde viewers again? |
| 08:55.05 | Kalidarn | and not kuickview |
| 08:55.09 | Kalidarn | as that doesnt support .svg |
| 08:58.23 | qupada | kview? |
| 08:58.55 | Kalidarn | ah, |
| 08:59.02 | Kalidarn | i thought it was guenview or something |
| 08:59.13 | Caster | I like gwenview |
| 08:59.20 | benJIman | Kalidarn: there are dozens |
| 08:59.23 | benJIman | gwenview is one |
| 08:59.25 | Renze | gwenview is a third party app, it is not shipped with KDE |
| 08:59.32 | Kalidarn | i was thinking of the one shipped with KDE |
| 08:59.36 | Kalidarn | that's what i was referring to. |
| 09:02.38 | Kalidarn | can we get a list of all the programs that have actually been ported to QT4? |
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| 09:05.10 | Kalidarn | ah just go to kde-apps.org and do search by, then do depends on QT 4.X |
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| 09:58.57 | kyle | hi ppl, just a wee question... how do you specify username and domain when accessing a smb:// resource ? (konqueror just doesn't prompt me for u/p) |
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| 09:59.21 | kyle | I remember using something like smb://domain\user@host/resource |
| 09:59.56 | kyle | (but that doesn't work - I'm using kde 3.5.2) |
| 10:00.38 | Sh4rpshoot3R | anyone can help me up with smb server conf? |
| 10:00.48 | Sh4rpshoot3R | running SuSE 10.0 |
| 10:01.50 | kyle | :P |
| 10:04.41 | Ardonik | Sh4rpshoot3R: got root? |
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| 10:05.49 | Sh4rpshoot3R | yep |
| 10:06.16 | Ardonik | Sh4rpshoot3R: For SMB problems, try #samba |
| 10:06.17 | Ardonik | AND |
| 10:06.31 | Ardonik | It's a really bad idea to IRC as root, especially with your hostmask uncloaked. |
| 10:07.04 | Sh4rpshoot3R | I know that |
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| 10:09.15 | eeos | hi there |
| 10:09.29 | eeos | is there a graphical pppoe client in kde? |
| 10:11.44 | tuxick | video.google.com giving sound only sometimes |
| 10:12.02 | tuxick | then after sacrificing a black chicken i suddenly get picture as well, how come? |
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| 10:12.29 | eeos | !ppp |
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| 10:14.11 | tuxick | looks like it starts working when i also go to video.google.com in firefox |
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| 10:14.18 | tuxick | the broswer that does work without problems |
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| 10:22.52 | shiznix | tuxick: there's some ongoing issues with the nspluginviewer in Konq |
| 10:23.31 | shiznix | sometimes it works, most times not, at least for video.google.com |
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| 10:24.07 | shiznix | youtube.com gives the same behaviour if the CPU is under any sort of load before browsing the page |
| 10:24.28 | shiznix | and almost always crashes hard with a few seconds left to go in the clip |
| 10:24.31 | shiznix | all Flash related |
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| 10:26.36 | wally123 | How to create a context menu in konqueror on selected Text ? |
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| 10:33.32 | tuxick | shiznix: well nspluginviewer has always been a pita |
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| 10:46.41 | simmerz | what do i need installed to get the smb: protocol working in konq? |
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| 11:05.34 | martin__ | Hm, I wonder how I get to use UTF8 as standard encoding in quanta. I tried to change the charset in Settings - Enviroment, but it keeps defaulting to koi8 |
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| 11:31.16 | simmerz | what do i need to install to get the smb protocol working in konq? |
| 11:31.38 | benJIman | simmerz: ah, are you using gentoo? |
| 11:32.10 | benJIman | simmerz: usually only gentoo people have that problem, you have to build kde with samba use flags in order to have that |
| 11:32.40 | simmerz | benJIman: I have done. but it still doesn't work |
| 11:32.49 | simmerz | and yes im using gentoo |
| 11:33.34 | kyle | erm, talking about smb... how do you specify a certain domain and username in a smb:// url? |
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| 11:37.30 | simmerz | benJIman: any other ideas? |
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| 11:39.48 | benJIman | simmerz: don't use gentoo sorry, ask in gentoo channel |
| 11:40.25 | logixoul | martin__: tools->encoding, but i'm not sure you mean that by "standard" |
| 11:40.35 | simmerz | have done. no help |
| 11:41.50 | qupada | i'm going to assume it's one of the foo-kioslaves packages |
| 11:41.52 | logixoul | simmerz: what arch? |
| 11:42.16 | simmerz | logixoul: x86 |
| 11:43.04 | qupada | simmerz: using locate i found kio_smb.so/kio_smb.la somewhere in /usr/kde, will run an 'equery belongs' on those, should be able to tell you what package you need |
| 11:43.05 | logixoul | ask in #gentoo-x86 then (but yes, #gentoo was a proper first stop) |
| 11:43.23 | simmerz | qupada: thanks |
| 11:43.30 | qupada | simmerz: kdebase-kioslave |
| 11:43.36 | qupada | kdebase-kioslaves* |
| 11:44.06 | martin__ | logixoul: The file encoding that is given in file open/file save dialoges. For some wicked reasons, it states kio8-r every single time. |
| 11:44.19 | simmerz | ah yes, still not built with samba. that should do ti. |
| 11:44.21 | simmerz | it |
| 11:44.35 | qupada | well that'll be your problem |
| 11:44.36 | simmerz | odd that an emerge -avuDN world didn't show that. |
| 11:44.38 | martin__ | logixoul: I do not mean the encoding of the document, but the encoding of the file |
| 11:44.52 | simmerz | qupada: thanks |
| 11:44.56 | qupada | echo "kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves samba" >> /etc/portage/package.use; emerge kdbase-kioslaves |
| 11:45.33 | simmerz | qupada: I've got samba in my global config - its a major requirement so it can go in /etc/make.conf. most of my stuff does go in /etc/portage/* though |
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| 11:45.56 | qupada | fair enough |
| 11:45.57 | logixoul | martin__: weird, the default here is utf8. |
| 11:46.22 | logixoul | martin__: if you use your distro/os's packages, ask them. |
| 11:47.34 | martin__ | logixoul: I have had that problem with suse, too. now I am having it with kubuntu. I don't think this really is a distro-related problem |
| 11:49.23 | logixoul | martin__: okay. does the problem occur if you try with a different user? |
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| 11:50.12 | logixoul | martin__: (I assume you retained your home dir when switching distros?) |
| 11:50.49 | martin__ | logixoul: I somehow got it to work ... a week ago, my disk died, and the homedir with it. I am having this problem again since |
| 11:51.16 | martin__ | logixoul: I checked with a newly-created user. same problem, same kio8-r standard charset |
| 11:51.47 | logixoul | martin__: you mean koi8-r |
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| 11:52.11 | martin__ | logixoul: of course, sorry. |
| 11:53.48 | logixoul | martin__: the really odd thing is that koi8-r is a russian encoding, and you're german. |
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| 11:53.55 | logixoul | martin__: i'm googling it... |
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| 11:55.01 | martin__ | logixoul: and that's my problem, as I use Umlauts in my comments, and koi8-r does not have them |
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| 11:56.00 | logixoul | martin__: does this occur with other apps (kate etc) or just quanta? |
| 11:56.32 | martin__ | logixoul: this is (and always was) just quanta. kate works fine |
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| 11:58.49 | logixoul | martin__: you said that when you got a new homedir, the problem reappeared |
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| 11:59.14 | logixoul | martin__: so try with a different user |
| 11:59.19 | martin__ | logixoul: yes. and I also have the problem with a user i just created |
| 11:59.26 | logixoul | martin__: ah, okay |
| 12:01.39 | logixoul | martin__: my quanta is 3.5.4, which is yours? |
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| 12:04.07 | martin__ | logixoul: same at me |
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| 12:07.12 | logixoul | martin__: settings->configure editor->open/save->file format->encoding->utf8 |
| 12:07.46 | logixoul | (a shot in the dark, but still) |
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| 12:08.18 | martin__ | logixoul: that actually is set to unicode (utf8) |
| 12:08.24 | martin__ | *confused* |
| 12:08.40 | logixoul | here it's set to "KDE Default", do you have this one? |
| 12:09.27 | martin__ | yes. I tried this before, and still it gave me koi8-r |
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| 12:14.23 | logixoul | found sth |
| 12:14.23 | logixoul | http://purl.rikers.org/%23kde/20040114.html.gz |
| 12:14.39 | logixoul | they have a solution, but i'm almost sure it won't work... |
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| 12:15.10 | martin__ | *klick* |
| 12:15.11 | logixoul | it's along the lines of "resave all your koi8-r files as utf8 and it'll become the default" |
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| 12:16.57 | logixoul | btw it's not about quanta, they talk about kate and knode |
| 12:17.03 | logixoul | but the problem is otherwise identical |
| 12:18.08 | martin__ | logixoul .. funny thing is, i do not have any koi8-r files |
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| 12:18.22 | logixoul | well that's too bad... |
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| 12:19.19 | logixoul | maybe you saved some file like xorg.conf or something as koi8-r and didn't notice |
| 12:19.44 | logixoul | nope, no way this fix'll work |
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| 12:22.59 | logixoul | HEY! |
| 12:23.13 | logixoul | this m0ns00n guy that had it fixed is online |
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| 12:23.36 | logixoul | he's at #kubuntu |
| 12:23.49 | logixoul | maybe worth asking him about it. |
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| 12:29.14 | XVampireX | logixoul: what distro again? |
| 12:29.26 | logixoul | XVampireX: does it really matter? |
| 12:29.28 | XVampireX | I mean what distro do you use? |
| 12:29.30 | XVampireX | yeah |
| 12:29.30 | XVampireX | :P |
| 12:29.45 | RockMan | ciao |
| 12:29.55 | XVampireX | bye |
| 12:32.26 | logixoul | XVampireX: SUSE Linux 10.1 for all it's worth |
| 12:32.35 | XVampireX | Heh |
| 12:32.39 | XVampireX | I'm considering using gentoo atm |
| 12:32.50 | XVampireX | I hope it doesn't fail me (Or I fail it :P) |
| 12:34.16 | logixoul | martin__: i asked him |
| 12:34.22 | logixoul | martin__: he couldn't help |
| 12:34.44 | martin__ | too bad |
| 12:34.47 | logixoul | martin__: but he said in his ubuntu it stayed to whatever he set it |
| 12:35.06 | martin__ | lucky him ... ;) |
| 12:35.50 | logixoul | yea, google doesn't know about it either... |
| 12:36.30 | logixoul | and he said he had the problem in debian |
| 12:36.48 | logixoul | XVampireX: and what are you using now? |
| 12:37.08 | XVampireX | kubuntu |
| 12:37.36 | logixoul | martin__: i can't think of anything else to do, sorry. except looking at the source, of course. you code c++? |
| 12:37.44 | XVampireX | I'd love the advanced/modular/customizable feeling of gentoo |
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| 12:40.21 | logixoul | XVampireX: for me, i don't know exactly what "advanced feeling" means in this case; also i can't think of how gentoo is more modular than kubuntu or suse. about the customizability, all distros are equally customizable (being floss), though some easier than others. i can say suse is customizable enough for me and i don't have the desire to waste my time on learning/building gentoo... |
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| 12:40.43 | XVampireX | Yeah, I know :P |
| 12:41.13 | XVampireX | Advanced feeling = The feeling that you actually know more about the OS... Because it seems like Gentoo forces you to go around the OS :P |
| 12:41.44 | XVampireX | Modular = Kinda like DIY, from ground up, I.E: Use the applications that you really want to use, don't have applications that you don't need preinstalled |
| 12:42.24 | Mase | aseigo: ping |
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| 12:44.09 | XVampireX | Customizeable = the part where you can customize your system, again, from ground up, in a DIY fashion, and have it perform better cause you have it all compiled for your arch/hardware |
| 12:44.16 | logixoul | XVampireX: i can in all honesty say i *don't* want to know anything about my OS except what i need for using it |
| 12:44.38 | logixoul | XVampireX: is there any app that Kubuntu forces you to use? |
| 12:45.24 | XVampireX | Well it has alot of preinstalled stuff |
| 12:45.38 | logixoul | XVampireX: but all of it's uninstallable, isn't it? |
| 12:45.42 | XVampireX | Yes |
| 12:45.45 | XVampireX | :P |
| 12:46.04 | logixoul | XVampireX: didn't Kubuntu ask you abt what to install during the installation anyway? |
| 12:46.25 | XVampireX | Nope :P |
| 12:46.28 | Mase | logixoul: does that include philosiphy ? |
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| 12:46.55 | Mase | regarding <logixoul> XVampireX: i can in all honesty say i don't want to know anything about my OS except what i need for using it |
| 12:47.38 | XVampireX | I wanna know more so I can become expert |
| 12:47.43 | XVampireX | Cause I'm asking alot :P |
| 12:48.18 | Mase | i was asking logixoul |
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| 12:48.31 | logixoul | Mase: well, sometimes i'm curious about things, but that's in fact irrational. by philosophy, do you mean the freedomness aspect? |
| 12:48.38 | Mase | yes |
| 12:48.50 | logixoul | no, definitely not then |
| 12:49.00 | logixoul | i'm Extremely interested in this |
| 12:49.09 | logixoul | but i was talking about the tech side of things |
| 12:49.36 | logixoul | :) |
| 12:49.39 | Mase | logixoul: :) |
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| 12:50.30 | logixoul | StarScream? |
| 12:50.59 | StarScream_home | my usual nick, cept i am logged in at work |
| 12:51.26 | StarScream_home | i changed it so people whom i greet in other channels don't go "wtf who is this and how does he know about that" |
| 12:51.42 | logixoul | :) i see |
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| 12:52.20 | logixoul | StarScream_home: when you said "philosophy", i mainly associated it with things like KISS and WIB |
| 12:52.53 | StarScream_home | hmm how would you have phrased it ? |
| 12:53.55 | logixoul | "logixoul: does that include the license?" or "logixoul: does that include the freedoms you have and restrictions imposed on you?" |
| 12:54.37 | logixoul | (though this sounds dry) |
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| 12:56.27 | StarScream_home | erm... they both sound a little attacking...which wasn't my intention |
| 12:57.06 | StarScream_home | i was more curious than anything else |
| 12:57.13 | logixoul | yeah |
| 12:57.20 | logixoul | to be fair, "does that include philosophy" sounded a bit attacking too |
| 12:57.21 | simon__ | hi *. I'm using openbox as windowmanager and the kdesktop. Is there any way to prevent kdesktop capturing the mousclicks? I want the openbox "right-click" menu, not the kde one. I'v tried already with kcontrol and KDE Action Restrictions in kdesktoprc |
| 12:57.40 | logixoul | ...within the healthy realm, that is |
| 12:57.56 | logixoul | simon__: why do you need kdesktop then? |
| 12:57.57 | StarScream_home | logixoul: apologies then . It wasn't my intention |
| 12:58.36 | logixoul | StarScream_home: no, no, I *love* when people attack me, because then I can talk big and show how clever I am :) |
| 12:58.44 | StarScream_home | heh |
| 13:00.13 | logixoul | StarScream_home: maybe "logixoul: does that include the political philosophy?" |
| 13:00.29 | StarScream_home | well its not really political is it ? |
| 13:00.34 | logixoul | how so? |
| 13:00.41 | logixoul | licensing is pure politics. |
| 13:00.54 | logixoul | right? |
| 13:01.09 | StarScream_home | i think its more social thing |
| 13:01.18 | StarScream_home | politics i always associate with the government |
| 13:01.29 | StarScream_home | or some sort of hierarchy |
| 13:01.34 | logixoul | if it were a social thing, it wouldn't be settled in court, methinks |
| 13:01.41 | StarScream_home | true |
| 13:01.56 | StarScream_home | although there are civil disputes settled in court |
| 13:02.02 | logixoul | hmm |
| 13:02.14 | StarScream_home | there is probably a word i don't know which describes it |
| 13:02.42 | StarScream_home | logixoul: where are you from ? |
| 13:02.59 | logixoul | bulgaria, and you're from austria |
| 13:03.34 | StarScream_home | nope Australia though i have been to austria |
| 13:03.47 | StarScream_home | i think i recall this discussion |
| 13:03.50 | StarScream_home | come to think of it |
| 13:03.57 | logixoul | StarScream_home: oops, right, au was the australian domain... |
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| 13:04.17 | StarScream_home | your english is very good |
| 13:04.25 | StarScream_home | i wouldn |
| 13:04.27 | StarScream_home | 't |
| 13:04.34 | StarScream_home | have picked it was not your first language |
| 13:04.47 | logixoul | i'm truly delighted to hear that |
| 13:05.22 | StarScream_home | how long did it take you to learn english ? |
| 13:06.43 | logixoul | well i'm 16 now and still studying... but 40% of what I know I learned for 2 years (the 2nd&3rd grades with a private teacher) and 50% from surfing the internet (i avoid non-english sites whenever possible) |
| 13:06.50 | logixoul | i've been on the internet for 2 years |
| 13:07.33 | simon__ | @logixoul: I just like to use the more userfriendly features from kdesktop. |
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| 13:08.04 | StarScream_home | 16 wow..thats pretty impressive |
| 13:08.08 | logixoul | simon__: hey, i thing you've got the wrong terminology |
| 13:08.19 | logixoul | simon__: KDE is the whole thing |
| 13:08.30 | logixoul | simon__: kdesktop is just the desktop background part of it |
| 13:08.35 | logixoul | simon__: so which one? |
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| 13:08.48 | StarScream_home | simon__: yeh kde is the whole environment buddy, it has its own window manager etc.. |
| 13:08.55 | logixoul | StarScream_home: and how old are you? |
| 13:09.01 | StarScream_home | the kicker is the task bar at the bottom |
| 13:09.04 | StarScream_home | logixoul: 24 |
| 13:09.04 | simon__ | but also the desktop icons handling part |
| 13:09.11 | simon__ | or am I wrong? |
| 13:09.19 | logixoul | simon__: oh, right |
| 13:09.36 | logixoul | simon__: i forgot about that because i've disabled icons on my desktop :) |
| 13:09.47 | StarScream_home | simon__: yeh you probably want kdesktop the application |
| 13:10.03 | StarScream_home | which you can just start from a terminal etc.. |
| 13:10.24 | StarScream_home | its in /opt/kde/bin/kdesktop on slackware |
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| 13:11.15 | logixoul | StarScream_home: yep but he asked abt sth else |
| 13:11.20 | self | hi |
| 13:11.31 | logixoul | self: hi dude, long time no see |
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| 13:13.02 | StarScream_home | logixoul: i thought the icons etc.. were all handled by kdesktop |
| 13:13.04 | logixoul | simon__: so you have kdesktop to let clicks through so openbox receives them |
| 13:13.06 | self | konqueror loads websites very very slow ... approx 10 seconds the window is just white, then the (not very complex) website is shown ... does anybody know a solution? |
| 13:13.10 | logixoul | StarScream_home: yep |
| 13:13.24 | logixoul | self: similar situation here |
| 13:13.33 | logixoul | self: though about 4 secs |
| 13:13.35 | StarScream_home | what version of kde are you guys on ? |
| 13:13.40 | logixoul | 3.5.4 |
| 13:13.46 | StarScream_home | distro ? |
| 13:13.49 | simon__ | @logixoul: exactly :) |
| 13:13.54 | StarScream_home | working perfectly here |
| 13:14.19 | logixoul | self: which distro/os? i'm on SUSE Linux 10.1 |
| 13:14.21 | self | SuSE 10.1 |
| 13:14.23 | logixoul | hm |
| 13:14.28 | self | me too |
| 13:14.29 | logixoul | disable novell-zmd |
| 13:14.53 | logixoul | sudo rczmd stop |
| 13:15.14 | logixoul | i mean disable novell-zmd by typing sudo rczmd stop |
| 13:15.20 | self | I already uninstalled the updater because I use smart ... hm |
| 13:15.24 | simon__ | I wan't the konqueror and so on but as window manager openbox with fbpanel (not kicker) |
| 13:15.26 | self | disable: Operation failed: client-error-not-found |
| 13:15.46 | logixoul | self: what was the package you uninstalled called? |
| 13:16.02 | logixoul | simon__: wait a sec, i'm thinking |
| 13:16.05 | self | ehrm, good question :) |
| 13:16.12 | simon__ | thx |
| 13:16.24 | self | logixoul: is there a yast/rpm logfile :D ? |
| 13:16.33 | logixoul | self: yep but wait |
| 13:16.37 | self | found it |
| 13:16.50 | logixoul | self: yast --> system --> runlevel-editor --> diable novell-zmd |
| 13:17.03 | logixoul | s/diable/disable/ |
| 13:17.13 | drantin | any ideas why konqueror is suddenly using mini-icons? |
| 13:17.23 | drantin | changing the icon settings doesn't seem to do a thing... |
| 13:17.37 | StarScream_home | drantin: are the larger ones installed ? |
| 13:17.41 | drantin | yes |
| 13:17.49 | drantin | in fact, they're being used in the taskbar... |
| 13:17.49 | logixoul | drantin: did you enable a new icon theme recently? |
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| 13:17.59 | drantin | still using crystal... |
| 13:18.01 | self | there is no novell-zmd in my list ... because I uninstalled it ... mh |
| 13:18.15 | logixoul | self: then that's not it |
| 13:18.17 | logixoul | self: disable beagle |
| 13:18.17 | self | what has novell-zmd todo with a slow konquerer ? |
| 13:18.19 | self | okay |
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| 13:18.38 | logixoul | self: novell-zmd is a bloated monster and hogs the whole sys |
| 13:18.48 | drantin | switching to kids still leaves them small |
| 13:18.49 | logixoul | self: you don't use beagle, do you? |
| 13:20.01 | logixoul | drantin: does this happen in a clean acc? |
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| 13:21.40 | self | I thougt I use beagle, but it's not listed in the runlevel editor .. |
| 13:22.05 | logixoul | self: yes, you can disable it through kerry |
| 13:22.20 | drantin | logixoul: will try after a few things finish... actually, will try locating and rm-ing the part of my config that relates to it... |
| 13:22.27 | logixoul | self: sth like "disable/enable indexing" |
| 13:22.59 | self | there is no option like this ... |
| 13:23.11 | self | and the beagle-search says, that the beagle daemon is not running .. |
| 13:23.18 | self | that's good, isn't it ? |
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| 13:25.45 | JohnBat26 | Hi all !!! |
| 13:25.46 | self | perhaps it's an other problem with konquerer ? it isn't slow generally - only when viewing websites ... |
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| 13:26.32 | JohnBat26 | may I setup KDE 3.5.4 on Qt 4 ? |
| 13:26.41 | JohnBat26 | or no? |
| 13:26.49 | StarScream_home | JohnBat26: you may but it won't compile :) |
| 13:26.57 | StarScream_home | or work |
| 13:27.05 | StarScream_home | hence kde 4 being worked on |
| 13:27.17 | StarScream_home | the api changes |
| 13:27.35 | drantin | you can have qt4 installed at the same time as qt3 however |
| 13:27.48 | JohnBat26 | StarScream_home: So KDE 3.5 don't support work with Qt 4 ? |
| 13:27.55 | drantin | however, it is a very, very long compile... |
| 13:28.24 | StarScream_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.34 | StarScream_home | kde 3 uses qt3 |
| 13:28.35 | JohnBat26 | StarScream_home: How status have KDE 4 |
| 13:28.42 | JohnBat26 | ? |
| 13:29.02 | StarScream_home | JohnBat26: can you re-phrase that please i didn't really understand the question |
| 13:29.17 | StarScream_home | did you want to know the current status of kde 4 ? |
| 13:29.41 | shining | lol |
| 13:29.50 | simon__ | @logixoul: are you still thinking? :) |
| 13:30.21 | JohnBat26 | StarScream_home: Yes, sorry for my bad English :( |
| 13:30.38 | StarScream_home | JohnBat26: no probs your enlish is fine. |
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| 13:30.52 | StarScream_home | JohnBat26: its just different people say things differently |
| 13:31.04 | StarScream_home | i don't understand americans half the time and i speak it natively :) |
| 13:31.37 | StarScream_home | JohnBat26: to answer your question, kde4 is not going to be released any time soon |
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| 13:32.34 | jmut | hi. is there buildin editor in kde for .po files...you know the gettext stuff :) |
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| 13:37.34 | JohnBat26 | StarScream_home: I want increase perfomance KDE 3.5.4 |
| 13:38.16 | JohnBat26 | StarScream_home: particularly consumption memory |
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| 13:45.33 | ReTyPe | in Dutch, KDE 4 (four = vier) means celebrate |
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| 13:49.28 | JohnBat26 | How increase perfomance KDE 3.5.4 ? |
| 13:49.45 | JohnBat26 | particularly consumption memory |
| 13:50.05 | unity | build with -Os optimization sutting? |
| 13:50.17 | unity | s/sutting/setting |
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| 13:50.57 | JohnBat26 | unity: I update with Smart :( |
| 13:51.05 | JohnBat26 | un |
| 13:51.31 | JohnBat26 | unity: How be in this event ? |
| 13:52.37 | unity | JohnBat26: did you compile kde by yourself? or download precompiled binaries? |
| 13:53.11 | JohnBat26 | unity: I download rpm for SuSE 10.1 x86-64 |
| 13:54.02 | unity | JohnBat26: sorry, you cannot set -Os optimization if you use rpm's |
| 13:55.16 | JohnBat26 | unity: OK, How decrease consumption memory |
| 13:55.17 | JohnBat26 | ? |
| 13:55.31 | unity | JohnBat26: i don't know, sorry |
| 13:55.38 | shining | JohnBat26: don't use kde |
| 13:55.58 | JohnBat26 | shining: KDE is very COOL !!! |
| 13:56.31 | shining | for being cool, I guess it requires some mem |
| 13:57.29 | benJIman|work | shining: it will run in 32mb albeit slowly, in 128mb quite comfortably |
| 13:59.24 | JohnBat26 | benJIman|work: Do you know how decrease consumption memory in KDE 3.5.4 ? |
| 14:00.24 | shining | I'm not running anything, and it's using 220 MB |
| 14:01.01 | benJIman|work | shining: "using" is not as straightforward as you might think |
| 14:01.11 | benJIman|work | and it will use less memory when there is less available |
| 14:01.36 | shining | ha, I thought that was only for the cache, sorry |
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| 14:02.28 | JohnBat26 | I have 1 Gb memory, but I too developing in Java and need in maximum memory |
| 14:03.01 | kyle | use icewm then :) |
| 14:04.12 | JohnBat26 | kyle: I try Icewm but KDE is best |
| 14:05.08 | Shadewalker | KDE needs an extreme facelift to its default look, so that I don't have to feel any pain while customizing it. |
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| 14:05.55 | benJIman|work | JohnBat26: let the OS manage it |
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| 14:09.55 | StarScream_home | Java aint that hungry |
| 14:10.52 | logixoul | back |
| 14:11.16 | logixoul | simon__: i wasn't here :) |
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| 14:16.36 | logixoul | hmm... self has left |
| 14:17.47 | logixoul | hey... is anybody waiting for an answer from me? |
| 14:18.14 | logixoul | drantin: did you fix your icons? |
| 14:18.42 | drantin | logixoul: not yet, just fixed a roommates upnp problems... |
| 14:19.16 | logixoul | simon__: i can't think of a way to do that, other than use a openbox-native desktop app (what's wrong with kdesktop's menu anyway?) |
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| 14:20.10 | drantin | seems that .kde/share/config/kdeglobals controls the icons... |
| 14:20.21 | drantin | kdeglobals |
| 14:20.28 | drantin | oh... i typed it correctly.. |
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| 14:22.18 | logixoul | drantin: nothing abt icon size there |
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| 14:22.45 | drantin | there is elsewhere in the file... stated that from a grep -ir icons in my .kde/share/config ... |
| 14:22.48 | self | hello again |
| 14:22.51 | drantin | hello self |
| 14:23.13 | self | my konqueror now opens websites fast, again .. don't know what was wrong :( |
| 14:23.29 | drantin | network problems? |
| 14:23.49 | logixoul | hi self |
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| 14:24.17 | self | drantin: don't think so ... firefox was fast all the time ... |
| 14:24.41 | logixoul | drantin: yep, there is a section abt icons, but nothing abt their size. why don't you just launch konq as root? |
| 14:24.57 | self | I read something about problems with ipv6 in google, added install ipv6 /bin/true in my modules.conf ... but now I removed that line and konq. is still fast ... |
| 14:25.11 | logixoul | self: you restarted X or what? |
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| 14:25.29 | self | logixoul: no - the whole system |
| 14:25.45 | logixoul | self: glad you got it fixed |
| 14:25.46 | drantin | root is just fine... |
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| 14:26.43 | drantin | i could copy all the .kde/share/config files from root to my profile... |
| 14:27.06 | drantin | i'd still like to get this going without restarting kde if possible... |
| 14:27.08 | logixoul | or del all of them, they'll be recreated |
| 14:27.17 | drantin | was my first option... |
| 14:27.27 | tuxick | konqueror again lagging horribly |
| 14:27.27 | drantin | by self |
| 14:27.36 | tuxick | has been doing this since 3.2 afair |
| 14:28.13 | tuxick | after running for a while |
| 14:28.13 | tuxick | especially input fields in forms etc |
| 14:28.13 | drantin | can one sighup various kde components without restarting X? |
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| 14:29.19 | drantin | rm konq* in the config while konqueror was closed fixed it |
| 14:29.26 | drantin | in the config directory* |
| 14:29.45 | logixoul | great |
| 14:32.40 | drantin | too used to windows after having used linux and kde for years... forgot konqueror was a seperate program... |
| 14:33.09 | drantin | still have to use windows on a very buggy network at work... hooray for the military! their networks suck! |
| 14:34.13 | StarScream_home | drantin: can't you use solaris or something unsucky that isn't windows |
| 14:34.56 | drantin | you want to explain to the US Navy why they should switch from win2k to solaris? |
| 14:35.29 | drantin | at least i'm changing to a job within that will allow me to work on the *nix computers... |
| 14:35.53 | drantin | even if there are several hundred win2k comps, and the odd winnt box that was missed last year... |
| 14:36.08 | drantin | they just moved from winnt to win2k last november... |
| 14:36.54 | StarScream_home | drantin: i just figured it was a CC thing that required em to run windows |
| 14:37.10 | StarScream_home | & figured any cc certified OS was good enough |
| 14:37.31 | drantin | but you still have to convince people to look at the list of approved software... |
| 14:37.40 | drantin | and you have to get their attention first... |
| 14:38.05 | StarScream_home | sounds like far too much effort :) |
| 14:39.22 | drantin | at least getting their attention is easier nowadays... they had no one to help set up their trouble ticket log back last september, i had experience and volunteered to help out taught the techs their own job... |
| 14:39.30 | xushi | is ktorrent any good ? |
| 14:39.42 | StarScream_home | xushi: i like it |
| 14:39.48 | fosterfeld_ | xushi: the recent versions work pretty well imho |
| 14:40.10 | xushi | can i take the files i already half way downloaded from azureus, and continue them there ? |
| 14:40.25 | StarScream_home | no idea |
| 14:40.34 | StarScream_home | probably |
| 14:40.37 | fosterfeld_ | xushi: probably not. |
| 14:40.38 | StarScream_home | can't hurt if you just cp them |
| 14:40.42 | xushi | :'( |
| 14:40.44 | xushi | i'll try |
| 14:40.48 | koala_man | xushi: try ls -l file and du -ch file and see if they differ significantly. if they do, probably |
| 14:40.49 | drantin | you can try enabling the option in azureus to pre-allocate the files |
| 14:40.50 | StarScream_home | xushi: yeh try it |
| 14:40.53 | xushi | azureus on amd64 is just hell to run |
| 14:41.02 | xushi | yep, they're already preallocated |
| 14:41.03 | drantin | works fine for me >_> |
| 14:41.11 | xushi | drantin: azureus ? |
| 14:41.21 | drantin | preallocated ones should work jsut fine.. haven't tested them myself though... |
| 14:41.30 | drantin | xushi: yes |
| 14:41.36 | fosterfeld_ | i guess ktorrent needs information which parts are already downloaded etc. |
| 14:41.36 | drantin | on an smp amd64... |
| 14:41.48 | xushi | drantin: azureus or azureus-bin, and which versions, and on which java vm / version plz? |
| 14:41.56 | drantin | i'd trust the preallocated ones to work first... |
| 14:42.02 | xushi | coz mine crashes a few seconds after it starts with a long dump |
| 14:42.04 | drantin | the regular ones may... |
| 14:42.26 | koala_man | fosterfeld_: normally a torrent app would compare a file with the torrent checksums to find that out |
| 14:42.47 | drantin | xushi: checking... |
| 14:43.02 | drantin | xushi: are you sure you downloaded the amd64 version? |
| 14:43.07 | drantin | of azureus? |
| 14:43.25 | xushi | drantin: well, i checked eix, and downloaded the one marked as stable there. |
| 14:43.40 | xushi | i'm not positive if it's amd64 or not coz i'm not really sure how to check |
| 14:43.45 | drantin | xushi: do NOT use the one in portage... had no end of trouble with it... |
| 14:43.50 | xushi | haha |
| 14:43.51 | xushi | bingo then |
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| 14:44.28 | xushi | unmerging now |
| 14:44.57 | drantin | if you want i can discuss back in azureus-support how to get it working, or you can take the opportunity to try ktorrent or rtorrent... |
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| 14:45.15 | simon__ | @logixoul: I'd like to have a fully customized menu which could be loaded dynamically while starting kde. I could not find a config file where I can set the icons and stuff for the items in the menu yet. |
| 14:45.24 | drantin | i usually try alternatives before fixing things... |
| 14:45.48 | xushi | drantin: i would prefer azureus since i'm more familiar with it for now. If it's a matter of just using the one from their site manually, i can do that. If there's anything more to it, i'm in azureus-support |
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| 14:47.01 | drantin | xushi: that's about it... just make sure to get the amd64 version, extract to wherever (i use ~/azureus) and that's that... |
| 14:47.02 | xushi | nice to see this konq bug is still here.. if a download wants to start from sf.net asking you where to save, and you cancel that pop up, konq crashes |
| 14:47.12 | xushi | thanks drantin, will do so now |
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| 14:48.03 | drantin | mm.... super black black... |
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| 14:48.39 | xushi | heh, i guess i'm 2 packages short of going 'all kde' now ;) (Eterm & Azureus) |
| 14:49.03 | tech9iner | qt an/or gtk bits break ffx n gkrellm bout 2x per yr here... please glance at term called gkrellm bits here please .. http://rafb.net/paste/results/LMN2Sg78.html ... seen this kinda of breakage b4 but been like months now.. i do recall one time ffx / gkrellm neither would run and suse mate ended up advising the removal of qt-gtk-engine.. then wuallah!.. ffx an gkrellm worked again?.. this time tad different?.. only gkrellm fails.. ffx is running.. |
| 14:49.05 | nivanson | xushi: eterm is no big loss :) |
| 14:49.09 | fosterfeld_ | xushi: i can't reproduce that sf bug. which konqueror version are you using? |
| 14:49.22 | drantin | it breaks final fantasy ten? |
| 14:49.38 | tech9iner | any clues appreciated as always ;]] |
| 14:50.13 | xushi | fosterfeld_: konq 3.5.4 using kde 3.5.4. strange enough it refuses to crash at the moment.. |
| 14:50.33 | drantin | xushi: that can be a good thing >_> |
| 14:50.53 | xushi | no, not at all :) i hate it when bad things happen, and when you ask someone to take a look, suddenly they work :) |
| 14:51.09 | xushi | happened today with the kees to my new appartment that kept jamming the lock until the locksmith came and had a look |
| 14:51.20 | drantin | it's my aura, filtered through the wired... |
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| 14:52.06 | M_Fatih | hi all |
| 14:52.15 | drantin | 'lo M_Fatih |
| 14:52.23 | xushi | brb, going to test az on other pc. |
| 14:52.29 | M_Fatih | i want to totally hide my sidebars in quanta, how can i do it? |
| 14:53.01 | drantin | yeah! a reason to start up quanta! haven't used it since kde 3.2... |
| 14:53.03 | M_Fatih | i don't want to see my sidebars minimal type too |
| 14:53.22 | M_Fatih | so? |
| 14:53.33 | M_Fatih | must i downgrade to 3.2 libs? |
| 14:53.39 | drantin | ...no |
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| 14:53.51 | drantin | that was just me happy to have a reason to look at what's changed in it... |
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| 14:54.45 | M_Fatih | sorry my english no good :( what must i do to hide or remove all panels? or some panels |
| 14:56.13 | drantin | sorry... looks like i forgot to recompile kdewebdev after upgrading to gcc 4.1.1... doing so now, but it'll be a bit... |
| 14:56.17 | drantin | someone else can help for now? |
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| 14:57.47 | fosterfeld_ | M_Fatih: you can set it to icon only in configure quanta->user interface->tool view tabs |
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| 14:58.13 | Richlv_ | i have several pdfs that have their preview in konqueror generated fine, but they fail to open with kpdf |
| 14:58.23 | Richlv_ | other pdfs from the same source open just fine with kpdf |
| 14:58.32 | fosterfeld_ | M_Fatih: and you can configure the shown tabs in view->tool views. it doesn't seem you can switch them off alltogether though |
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| 14:58.45 | Richlv_ | is preview generated in some other way (or maybe pdfs can have thumbnail embedded) ? |
| 14:59.58 | M_Fatih | fosterfeld_, there is no "hide tabs" option :( only change tab bar style |
| 15:00.05 | fosterfeld_ | Richlv_: does the embedding use kghostview or kpdf? if it uses kghostview, e.g. the thumbnail sidebar should look different than in kpdf |
| 15:00.12 | BlackBsd | im noticing on gentoo that when i start kde, on gentoo, its adding a /usr/kde/3.4/bin to the beginning of my PATH |
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| 15:00.27 | wally123 | Hi , what is the "ServiceTypes= xxx" auf an selected textpart ? |
| 15:00.37 | BlackBsd | does it not source my .tcshrc file? |
| 15:00.52 | Richlv_ | fosterfeld_, well, kpdf does not display anything at all, it just fails to open them :) |
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| 15:01.17 | wally123 | sorry, what is the "ServiceTypes= xxx" of a selected textpart ? |
| 15:01.20 | Richlv_ | but indeed, kghostview does open them... |
| 15:01.47 | BlackBsd | i normally do a startx from the command line. |
| 15:02.39 | Richlv_ | fosterfeld_, thanks for mentioning kghostview :) |
| 15:02.49 | Richlv_ | i'll probably submit one of those files with a bugreport, then... |
| 15:03.00 | fosterfeld_ | Richlv_: just compare the sidebar for a pdf working in both konqueror and kpdf. kghostview has a simple sidebar with "Page" as column header, where kpdf has "contents" and "thumbnails" tabs |
| 15:03.10 | BlackBsd | if i open a konsole with an icon press then it has my correct path but if i do an alt+F2 then type konsole -e bash then it has my path with a kde bin directory tacked onto the front. |
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| 15:04.48 | M_Fatih | fosterfeld_, there is no "remove or totally hide" selection (or menu or option) in view -> tool menü |
| 15:04.50 | drantin | BlackBsd: pulling a path from another location and combining them?> |
| 15:05.18 | BlackBsd | i guess my problem is, im getting different PATH's from clicking on an program icon from the menu as opposed to starting that program from the command line. |
| 15:05.42 | fosterfeld_ | M_Fatih: yes, i know, otherwise i would have pointed you to that option ;-) |
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| 15:06.23 | M_Fatih | :( |
| 15:06.26 | gebruiker | I need a application that does the following allow me to configure my ppp/pptp/pppoe coneection |
| 15:06.33 | M_Fatih | i want to totally remove from GUI :( |
| 15:06.40 | M_Fatih | i don't want to see this tabs.. |
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| 15:10.02 | M_Fatih | ok. another problem, there is no documentation in my /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc/ |
| 15:10.12 | M_Fatih | how can i download & use quanta docs ? :( |
| 15:10.23 | M_Fatih | i'm using ubuntu.. there is no package about quanta doc :( |
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| 15:12.32 | drantin | M_Fatih: K -> Help -> Applications -> Development -> Web Development -> Quanta Plus |
| 15:12.36 | gebruiker_ | how do i make a Applcation start ONCE!! when kde starts? |
| 15:12.45 | gebruiker_ | so only one time start |
| 15:12.45 | drantin | or just use the help menu from within quanta |
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| 15:13.30 | padde | gebruiker_: don't know the proper method, but you could use a shell skript in Autostart folder which deletes itself after execution |
| 15:13.38 | M_Fatih | ok i'm using that way but it says : The file or folder /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc/php/ref.array.html does not exist. |
| 15:13.46 | M_Fatih | returns konquerror 404 error |
| 15:13.53 | gebruiker_ | what documentation is there on Autostart folder? |
| 15:14.10 | gebruiker_ | padde: could I use my dot .kde as a skeleton for /etc/skell? |
| 15:14.21 | padde | gebruiker_: none needed... all executable files in .kde/Autostart will be executed on startup |
| 15:14.39 | gebruiker_ | padde will /bin/bash script work? |
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| 15:14.47 | padde | gebruiker_: yes |
| 15:15.04 | padde | gebruiker_: (to bash) |
| 15:15.35 | padde | gebruiker_: to skel... i think so, but i never played with those things... i guess everything in /etc/skel will just be copied on adduser, so it should work |
| 15:15.36 | drantin | M_Fatih: is there a package for kde-docs, or kdewebdev-docs or some such? |
| 15:17.45 | gebruiker_ | padde: can I do some gui work in Bash? |
| 15:17.53 | gebruiker_ | padde: I.e simple questioning? |
| 15:17.58 | gebruiker_ | (yes or no) |
| 15:18.42 | padde | gebruiker_: yes, for example with kdialog |
| 15:19.13 | nivanson | It seems it fixed itself now. Maybe I did a mistype somewhere... Thanks! =) |
| 15:19.48 | nivanson | lal talking inn wrong channel |
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| 15:21.16 | xushi | drantin: if i can drill through your mind for a second, got just a tad small question to ask in the azureus channel |
| 15:22.03 | gebruiker_ | padde: how does one read the value(i.e output)? |
| 15:22.51 | padde | gebruiker_: it's the return value |
| 15:23.42 | padde | gebruiker_: so for example if you want to ask something and only go on when the user answered with "yes", then you connect the question via logical AND to the command |
| 15:24.11 | padde | gebruiker_: example: "kdialog --yesno "Delete ...?" && rm ..." |
| 15:24.53 | fosterfeld_ | gebruiker_: e.g. FOOBAR=$(kdialog --inputbox "foobar") |
| 15:25.00 | gebruiker_ | aah |
| 15:26.43 | padde | yes, that's for controls that don't only get binary input from the user |
| 15:27.07 | gebruiker_ | i have for example: |
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| 15:27.40 | gebruiker_ | POPUP=$(kdialog --yesno "Make your choise!" -title "foo") |
| 15:27.56 | gebruiker_ | how does one read a value out of that? |
| 15:28.08 | drantin | check the value of $POPUP ? |
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| 15:28.19 | znh | Hello |
| 15:28.29 | gebruiker_ | drantin: i invoked echo $POPUP , but no output |
| 15:28.30 | znh | Is there a mysql client for KDE where I can manage tables and such? |
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| 15:29.06 | drantin | gebruiker_: try it from within a script |
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| 15:34.55 | fosterfeld_ | gebruiker_: try kdialog --yesno "foobar"; FOOBAR=$?; echo $FOOBAR |
| 15:35.12 | znh | Nobody knows one? I am 100% sure there is one |
| 15:36.23 | znh | ah kmysql |
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| 15:37.04 | gebruiker_ | fosterfeld_: got it already but thanks anyway, got another question, I need to inovke from a user account a command that needs root privalige, i.e starting init process, what could I use best? Kdesu ... ? |
| 15:38.34 | fosterfeld_ | znh: kdesu should work, yes. |
| 15:38.41 | SimAtWork | my book came! |
| 15:38.45 | SimAtWork | C++ Gui programming with Qt4 |
| 15:38.48 | SimAtWork | YAY |
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| 15:39.06 | znh | fosterfeld_, ?? |
| 15:39.31 | fosterfeld_ | gebruiker_, znh: eh, that was targeted to gebruiker_ |
| 15:39.39 | znh | k... |
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| 15:40.16 | wally123 | What is the "ServiceTypes= xxx" of a selected textpart in konqueror ? |
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| 15:46.22 | fosterfeld_ | wally123: in the desktop files? or do you see that anywhere in the GUI? |
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| 15:47.20 | wally123 | fosterfeld_: yes, i want to make a desktop-file for context menu on selected text |
| 15:47.38 | wally123 | similar as the "Search in .... " context menu |
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| 15:48.40 | wally123 | but i can not find the *.desktop responsible for "Search in ... " |
| 15:48.49 | M_Fatih | i want to change my shortcut in quanta i want to set CTRL+B to bold but it set set bookmark and i can't edit set bookmark's option :( |
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| 15:49.51 | fosterfeld_ | wally123: try ServiceTypes=KonqPopupMenu/Plugin,all/all |
| 15:50.01 | fosterfeld_ | wally123: heh, i just tried to find that one, too. |
| 15:50.21 | wally123 | succeed ? |
| 15:50.34 | fosterfeld_ | no, i looked at the akregator plugin |
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| 15:50.58 | eidolon | hi folks. anyone had problems with exporting KMail Calendars in ICS - and having the timezone be wonky? |
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| 15:55.17 | wally123 | fosterfeld_: no, do not work |
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| 16:01.41 | wally123 | fosterfeld_: trying text/plain -- no! |
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| 16:02.31 | fosterfeld_ | wally123: are you sure that the plugin is not loaded? maybe something goes wrong in the code |
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| 16:03.26 | wally123 | fosterfeld_: hm |
| 16:03.37 | wally123 | fosterfeld_: checking |
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| 16:06.04 | wally123 | fosterfeld_: thx, i am trying another way |
| 16:06.25 | fosterfeld_ | wally123: the Search stuff is directly contained in the KHTMLPart classes, thus we can't find a .desktop file |
| 16:06.57 | fosterfeld_ | wally123: you could copy kdeaddons/konq-plugins/akregator/akregatorplugin.* and modify that |
| 16:07.10 | wally123 | fosterfeld_: is it possible to add somthing there easily ? |
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| 16:07.48 | fosterfeld_ | wally123: to the akregatorplugin code? or to the menu in general? |
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| 16:08.04 | wally123 | fosterfeld_: the menu |
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| 16:11.17 | fosterfeld_ | wally123: the plugin looks a bit hackish... and it's for links, not selected text |
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| 16:12.12 | wally123 | yeah, hackish , ok thx |
| 16:12.13 | fosterfeld_ | wally123: and there are no menu entries in the selected text menu which aren't hardcoded in khtml itself... |
| 16:12.35 | fosterfeld_ | at least not here, having most of the kde modules installed |
| 16:12.48 | wally123 | fosterfeld_: ic |
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| 16:14.39 | fosterfeld_ | hmm, konqueror headers aren't exactly overdocumented |
| 16:17.26 | XVampireX | WAIT |
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| 16:18.02 | XVampireX | Dbus.... since KDE4 is gonna be using dbus... Does Dbus have scripting like DCOP does? |
| 16:18.25 | lunitik | XVampireX: not yet afaik |
| 16:18.34 | XVampireX | I think this DCOP thing can work across all applications :O |
| 16:18.36 | lunitik | XVampireX: KDE hackers will likely make it happen though |
| 16:18.41 | harmental | any kde tool for bibtex files? |
| 16:18.41 | XVampireX | I hope |
| 16:18.49 | XVampireX | Random Fortune: I've run DOOM more in the last few days than I have the last few months. I just love debugging ;-) -- Linus Torvalds |
| 16:18.52 | XVampireX | this is awesome |
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| 16:19.58 | lunitik | harmental: bibtex = bible thing? |
| 16:20.18 | lunitik | harmental: there is bibletime ... |
| 16:20.19 | drantin | no |
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| 16:20.25 | harmental | lunitik: latex... |
| 16:20.33 | drantin | bibliography |
| 16:20.38 | lunitik | ahhh... kyle is latex |
| 16:20.41 | harmental | lunitik: you know...for writing "quality" docs... |
| 16:21.15 | XVampireX | Can you mention my nick in 5 seconds? |
| 16:21.17 | harmental | lunitik: yes but it does support bibtex databases.... |
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| 16:21.27 | drantin | XVampireX: huh? |
| 16:21.41 | XVampireX | Oh, just testing features of KDE + Konversation |
| 16:21.52 | XVampireX | Enabled OSD, I wanted to see how it is :P |
| 16:21.55 | XVampireX | And it's awesome |
| 16:22.07 | drantin | anything like amarok's? |
| 16:22.08 | lunitik | Annoyingness |
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| 16:22.27 | XVampireX | I do, sometimes, at least when not in full screen mode, I.E: Watching movies/playing games. |
| 16:24.16 | chavo | drantin, it's the same as amarok it uses knotify |
| 16:24.59 | twosouls82 | does some have got a clue why none of my hyperlinks -outside konqi- works? |
| 16:25.14 | drantin | nice... too bad i didn't like konversation when i tried it yesterday :D |
| 16:25.29 | XVampireX | Would you say that gentoo is a good distro for me if I'm a power user? |
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| 16:26.31 | Sho_ | drantin: What didn't you like about it? |
| 16:26.35 | Sho_ | chavo: The OSD code is not in KNotify |
| 16:27.00 | XVampireX | drantin, I like it, it has alot of useful features, and some just for fun, And it loads quick |
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| 16:27.19 | Sho_ | drantin_: What didn't you like about it? |
| 16:27.30 | chavo | ok well they all use the same code though right? |
| 16:27.55 | Sho_ | chavo: They share the same heritage, but they haven't been synced in about two years iirc |
| 16:28.06 | drantin_ | ah yes... konversation i didn't mind too much, it was kvirc that was giving me headaches... |
| 16:28.22 | Sho_ | (ugh.) |
| 16:29.34 | drantin_ | is it possible to place the channel/server tabs on the side? |
| 16:29.39 | drantin_ | in konversation? |
| 16:29.59 | Sho_ | drantin_: A few hours from now, yes |
| 16:30.33 | lunitik | Sho_: ahh, new release soon? congrats :D |
| 16:30.41 | Sho_ | lunitik: No, on the 31st |
| 16:30.53 | drantin | cvs will soon then? |
| 16:30.59 | Sho_ | drantin: SVN, but yes |
| 16:31.25 | Sho_ | It's what I'm working on ATM |
| 16:31.37 | drantin | ahh... will henceforth just ask about versioning systems, rather than specify |
| 16:35.19 | lunitik | Sho_: making it like Konqi/Amarok side tabs? |
| 16:35.41 | lunitik | (with sideways letters etc) |
| 16:35.49 | lunitik | I think you told me that before actually.... |
| 16:36.14 | Sho_ | lunitik: No, it's a treelist |
| 16:36.28 | drantin | treelist works for me... |
| 16:36.43 | drantin | get it done and when you release the next version you've got a konvert... |
| 16:36.48 | lunitik | Sho_: ahhh... well, you said you don't have to use it, so that works :D |
| 16:37.02 | chavo | I like tabs on the bottom, but for the side I think treelist works the best |
| 16:37.22 | Sho_ | lunitik: Vertical tabs with 90° rotated text are moronic for our purposes |
| 16:37.36 | drantin | i also like the way xchat does it... with a gap between servers... |
| 16:37.58 | drantin | although they're more buttons than tabs... at least with this theme... |
| 16:38.36 | Sho_ | drantin: Well notably this isn't a plain listview, it has loads of customized drawing and behavior code |
| 16:38.54 | Sho_ | So it should be reasonably pretty in the end |
| 16:38.55 | drantin | like i said, i don't mind a listview... |
| 16:39.21 | drantin | i just don't like having two f-ing tabs next to each other like kvirc does... |
| 16:39.35 | drantin | when the tabs are on the left... |
| 16:40.06 | Sho_ | drantin: I'm not familiar with how KVirc does it ... but that sounds strange |
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| 16:42.21 | drantin_ | http://drantin.ath.cx:8002/kvirc.png |
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| 16:44.10 | Sho_ | drantin: rofl |
| 16:44.25 | Sho_ | drantin: Well, that's ... different |
| 16:44.28 | drantin | that was the cause of my headaches last night... |
| 16:46.28 | tuxick | anyone here suffering insanely laggy konqueror? |
| 16:46.34 | tuxick | this has been bugging me for months |
| 16:46.44 | tuxick | at certain point it just slows down to win98 |
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| 16:47.15 | drantin | my only problem with konqui atm is probably a lisa problem as it relates to lan:/ ... |
| 16:47.41 | tuxick | problem remained through several updates |
| 16:47.49 | tuxick | top not showing anything special |
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| 16:48.15 | tuxick | i suspect javascript, which has always seemed a weak point |
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| 16:48.51 | drantin | top not, topknot.. hehe... |
| 16:48.51 | tuxick | aha! sure looks like it |
| 16:48.56 | tuxick | ;p |
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| 17:15.05 | lunitik | ~enter |
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| 17:15.14 | drantin | 'lo lunitik |
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| 17:17.22 | slack_junkie | hello all |
| 17:17.42 | slack_junkie | anyone here using compiz? |
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| 17:22.24 | sandmat | how can I add languages for the keyboard in KDE 3.5? |
| 17:22.48 | sandmat | the only available keyboard is US :( |
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| 17:26.34 | drantin | sandmat: check your xorg.conf |
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| 17:27.28 | sandmat | I did ... It has my language included |
| 17:31.12 | simmerz | are there any kde based kmail clients as an alternative to kmail/kontact? |
| 17:31.21 | simmerz | email clients that should read |
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| 17:48.20 | gebruiker | I assume so, but where exactly? |
| 17:49.28 | drantin | .kde/share/config? |
| 17:50.12 | fosterfeld | gebruiker: .kde/share/config/katapultrc, maybe also .kde/share/apps/katapult |
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| 18:14.08 | _patrick | i need some help installing a tar |
| 18:14.28 | drantin | tar -xzvvf ? |
| 18:14.49 | _patrick | well i installed it, it is expat 2.0.0 |
| 18:15.04 | unity | is the new kwin gonna be xgl friendly? |
| 18:15.24 | _patrick | but im not sure why when i try to install a program dependent on libexpat.so.1, it fails |
| 18:15.44 | twosouls82 | better, will xgl ever become kde friendly? |
| 18:16.23 | _patrick | is their something im missing when installing libs |
| 18:17.18 | _patrick | i even tried sysmlink |
| 18:17.33 | _patrick | symlink* |
| 18:17.42 | shining | unity: why xgl? |
| 18:17.43 | drantin | _patrick: downgrade |
| 18:18.06 | drantin | _patrick: expat 2.0 changes some internals that conflict with anything compiled against 1.x ... |
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| 18:18.56 | _patrick | o ok, so what should i downgrade, im trying to install fglrx_6_8_0-8.27.10-1.i386.rpm |
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| 18:19.12 | drantin | _patrick: whatever the newest 1.x for expat is |
| 18:19.21 | unity | shining: just like hardware acceleration |
| 18:19.22 | _patrick | well that is installed |
| 18:19.55 | drantin | _patrick: and you just placed the 2.0 on top of the files? |
| 18:20.17 | unity | shining: do you think there will ever be a plugin that's like windows aero? |
| 18:20.19 | _patrick | i guess, i ran configure, make and make install on the tar |
| 18:20.28 | _patrick | sorry new at linux tars |
| 18:20.31 | unity | shining: where the background is blurred through the windows? |
| 18:20.47 | unity | shining: even though it's impractical, it looks good |
| 18:21.33 | _patrick | i just did a symlink between libexpat.so.0.5.0 and libexpat.so.1 in /usr/lib/ |
| 18:21.36 | drantin | _patrick: what distro are you using |
| 18:21.41 | _patrick | suse 10 |
| 18:21.53 | drantin | doesn't suse use rpms? |
| 18:21.58 | _patrick | yea |
| 18:22.02 | drantin | and yum for installing and updating? |
| 18:22.07 | _patrick | yes |
| 18:22.18 | drantin | then try that before ever using the tarballs... |
| 18:22.22 | _patrick | no im sorry its "you" |
| 18:22.39 | _patrick | YaST Online Update |
| 18:22.47 | drantin | ah... |
| 18:22.54 | drantin | fedora core was yum then... |
| 18:23.01 | drantin | well use YOU then... |
| 18:23.01 | _patrick | i tried, it is showing the new version of expat |
| 18:23.13 | _patrick | is not**** |
| 18:23.45 | _patrick | i searched expat in "YOU' and all it shows is expat1 |
| 18:23.55 | drantin | kucrut: had to do the same thing not too long ago... then upgraded gcc and did the whole shebang over again... |
| 18:24.07 | kucrut | yea, it was fun ;-) |
| 18:24.18 | drantin | _patrick: see if you can reinstall expat1 |
| 18:24.23 | _patrick | is there an easier way to get this god forsaken driver installed |
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| 18:24.47 | _patrick | ati sux when it comes to linux |
| 18:24.48 | kucrut | _patrick: i think you should stick w/ the older expat or upgrade your whole system like we did |
| 18:24.56 | domas | hi! did anyone here succeed to compile kdelibs with qt/mac? |
| 18:24.57 | _patrick | damn |
| 18:25.11 | _patrick | is 10.1 stable |
| 18:25.21 | drantin | no idea, i use gentoo |
| 18:25.31 | kucrut | _patrick: nvidia sux too, i cant use the newest Xorg yet |
| 18:25.31 | drantin | and the unstable gentoo at that... |
| 18:25.41 | _patrick | does gentoo support ati out of box??? i would like a distro that did |
| 18:27.51 | drantin | but nvidia does suck less... |
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| 18:27.51 | Pinaraf | _patrick: well, the ATI sucks argument is getting less and less true everyday |
| 18:27.51 | kucrut | haha |
| 18:27.52 | drantin | _patrick: if you're having this much trouble with suse, do NOT EVER try gentoo... |
| 18:27.52 | kucrut | drantin: ,,,, |
| 18:27.52 | _patrick | no money cant afford a new vid card |
| 18:27.52 | Pinaraf | (ok, rather every month since they're releasing one driver each month) |
| 18:27.53 | kucrut | _patrick: all i can say is.. gentoo is fun ;-) |
| 18:27.53 | _patrick | lol |
| 18:27.53 | drantin | well... not until you get a lot more experience at any rate... |
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| 18:27.54 | shining | nvidia has always sucked, since there are only prop drivers |
| 18:27.55 | kucrut | _patrick: especially when you're _forced_ to rebuild your system :) |
| 18:27.55 | drantin | shining: the ati drivers aren't open source either and they barely work |
| 18:27.55 | shining | and ati sucks even more, because they only provide prop drivers as well, and they are much worse |
| 18:27.55 | _patrick | so gentoo would be better for ati cards |
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| 18:27.57 | drantin | _patrick: not really... |
| 18:28.13 | drantin | _patrick: but installing expat like you did may have b0rked your system... |
| 18:28.20 | drantin | lots of things depend on expat... |
| 18:28.24 | alsuren | can anyone point out a graphics card with full open source openGL support? |
| 18:28.29 | _patrick | ok so has anyone been able to get the ati driver installed and run fglrxinfo and not have mesa show up |
| 18:28.30 | shining | atm, linux is better without any graphic cards |
| 18:28.31 | drantin | alsuren: no |
| 18:28.38 | drantin | wait.. |
| 18:28.42 | drantin | maybe the intel ones? |
| 18:28.46 | drantin | i810? |
| 18:28.47 | kucrut | nah |
| 18:28.50 | drantin | no? |
| 18:28.50 | shining | they suck hard |
| 18:28.52 | drantin | oh well.. |
| 18:28.54 | kucrut | it's not fully open |
| 18:28.58 | strawman | _patrick: yup |
| 18:29.00 | shining | it'll maybe change |
| 18:29.09 | _patrick | how???? |
| 18:29.12 | shining | http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/ |
| 18:29.27 | alsuren | isn't i810 the old integrated 4MB card that I got in my dell 800? |
| 18:29.33 | strawman | _patrick: i followed the directions |
| 18:29.33 | drantin | alsuren: no idea... |
| 18:29.45 | shining | it's still the i810 x driver, for every new intel chipset |
| 18:29.52 | drantin | my current laptop is nvidia, and my previous was ati... |
| 18:29.53 | _patrick | so did you use the rpm or the .run |
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| 18:30.06 | shining | eg, my i855gm chipset |
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| 18:30.21 | shining | voodoo kicks ass |
| 18:30.26 | strawman | _patrick: i packaged them |
| 18:30.29 | drantin | _patrick: if you don't revert to expat 1 many things will be broken on your comp, unless you upgrade everything... |
| 18:30.35 | shining | actually I don't know, I don't have any, but I want one :) |
| 18:30.56 | drantin | i used to use a voodoo banshee... but that was on win98... |
| 18:31.13 | kucrut | drantin: on what? :P |
| 18:31.17 | strawman | _patrick: the .run now supports generating packages for several distros |
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| 18:31.29 | drantin | ...a k6-3 400? |
| 18:31.53 | kucrut | duron? |
| 18:31.56 | _patrick | yea i tried that way, can you tell me where you got the instructions for installing the packaged driver and tell me how |
| 18:32.06 | drantin | kucrut: from before athlon/duron |
| 18:32.12 | drantin | kucrut: athlon was k7 |
| 18:32.22 | kucrut | wasnt duron k6? |
| 18:32.25 | drantin | nope |
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| 18:32.33 | strawman | _patrick: try ati-driver-$version.run --listpkg |
| 18:32.36 | drantin | k6 went by k6 |
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| 18:32.56 | _patrick | yea im saying i can get it to package |
| 18:33.03 | drantin | duron is i believe, a low power k7... |
| 18:33.04 | bonbons | does someone know how to tel KDE to not sync when it writes something? When it writes something to one partition, it syncs on all partitions on all disks |
| 18:33.33 | _patrick | but when i install the packaged version, when i run fglrx it still shows mesa |
| 18:34.02 | drantin | _patrick: does suse have opengl-select ? |
| 18:34.09 | drantin | not sure if that's gentoo only... |
| 18:34.11 | shining | the only good thing about ati cards is that you can play with dri drivers |
| 18:34.16 | kucrut | drantin: eselect!! :P |
| 18:34.25 | _patrick | i dont know, how do i check |
| 18:34.35 | drantin | kucrut: haven't switched in while... |
| 18:34.42 | kucrut | _patrick: why not use sax2 ? |
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| 18:34.50 | strawman | _patrick: try export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose , then run glxgears |
| 18:35.31 | shining | LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 18:35.31 | _patrick | i have ran sax2 -r -m 0=fglrx -b /usr/share/doc/packages/fglrx/sax2-profile |
| 18:35.32 | strawman | _patrick: that should show some errors that may be useful |
| 18:36.05 | drantin | gatos was definitely better on gentoo than on debian for my aiw radeon 32MB ... |
| 18:36.17 | _patrick | no errors just 288 fps |
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| 18:36.36 | kucrut | ewww |
| 18:36.37 | drantin | i could either use 3d accel or tv-in, but not both on debian... |
| 18:37.48 | alsuren | Anyone know a way to close the current window from a script? |
| 18:38.57 | _patrick | maybe i should just go back to the resource sucking windows xp |
| 18:39.20 | unity | that's what they all say when they can't figure something out |
| 18:39.26 | _patrick | lol |
| 18:39.33 | unity | i used to say it too |
| 18:39.46 | _patrick | i have been working on this probleme for 4 days now |
| 18:40.21 | _patrick | i have gotten my years worth of reading just from this issue |
| 18:40.43 | alsuren | It's just that I'm trying to put something in the top right of my screen on the kicker as an alternative to the x button on each window |
| 18:40.49 | unity | _patrick: ah, an ati card. if you plan to do anything with it, then you should take a look at windows |
| 18:40.57 | _patrick | lol |
| 18:41.08 | strawman | that's bullcrap |
| 18:41.51 | _patrick | well i want to get rid of windows all together and just find ways of putting my applications on linux, wine!! |
| 18:42.17 | _patrick | but without 3daccel working i cant play neverwinter nights |
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| 18:42.30 | strawman | _patrick: what did LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo print? go to pastebin.ca and post the output |
| 18:43.04 | _patrick | patrick@linux:~> LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose |
| 18:43.08 | _patrick | patrick@linux:~> glsgears |
| 18:43.12 | _patrick | bash: glsgears: command not found |
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| 18:43.16 | _patrick | patrick@linux:~> glxgears |
| 18:43.20 | _patrick | 1130 frames in 5.0 seconds = 226.000 FPS |
| 18:43.20 | _patrick | 1200 frames in 5.0 seconds = 240.000 FPS |
| 18:43.20 | _patrick | 1320 frames in 5.0 seconds = 264.000 FPS |
| 18:43.21 | _patrick | 1440 frames in 5.0 seconds = 288.000 FPS |
| 18:43.23 | _patrick | god that sucka |
| 18:43.25 | _patrick | sucks* |
| 18:43.27 | strawman | uhhh... |
| 18:43.37 | strawman | pastebin.ca, dude |
| 18:43.48 | strawman | not in the chan |
| 18:43.50 | _patrick | mane im new at linux what the hell is that |
| 18:43.51 | Japsu | 13306 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2661.076 FPS |
| 18:43.53 | Japsu | pwnxered |
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| 18:44.22 | strawman | _patrick: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo <- all one line |
| 18:44.28 | _patrick | o ok |
| 18:44.51 | _patrick | can i past in the chanel here |
| 18:45.08 | strawman | no |
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| 18:45.26 | _patrick | ok where |
| 18:45.32 | strawman | unless you enjoy getting kicked out and banned... |
| 18:45.50 | strawman | http://www.pastebin.ca |
| 18:47.00 | _patrick | http://pastebin.ca/135132 |
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| 18:48.13 | _patrick | oops diconnected |
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| 18:48.47 | drantin | 17159 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3418.174 FPS |
| 18:48.51 | drantin | while compiling koffice... |
| 18:49.15 | strawman | _patrick: sorry, LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxgears then http://www.pastebin.ca again |
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| 18:50.50 | _patrick | http://pastebin.ca/135141 |
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| 18:51.37 | strawman | glxgears, NOT glxinfo :) |
| 18:52.58 | _patrick | thats what id did, and posted it in the details on accident, its there |
| 18:53.34 | alsuren | I think I win |
| 18:53.36 | alsuren | 276 frames in 5.0 seconds = 55.095 FPS |
| 18:53.42 | _patrick | http://pastebin.ca/135144 |
| 18:54.16 | alsuren | and that's on an nVidia 6600GT |
| 18:54.40 | _patrick | damn your worse off than i am |
| 18:54.58 | alsuren | I think it's just this session that's buggered though |
| 18:55.15 | strawman | _patrick: it looks like ati's opengl libs are not even in your ld path |
| 18:55.34 | alsuren | because when I do it in a "failsafe" session, it performs considerably better |
| 18:55.34 | nivanson | hmm talking about gfx.. i am using a laptop with an ati radeon 9000 Mobility. It doesn't work with fglrx at all. Is there a special driver for the mobility cards for linux like there is on windows? |
| 18:55.42 | strawman | or mesa's are before them |
| 18:56.17 | _patrick | would that be the xorg.conf file |
| 18:56.37 | alsuren | as in 11154 fps |
| 18:57.32 | slicslak | what is the best kde app to handle wifi connections? kwirelessmanager? |
| 18:57.47 | _patrick | so i guess the question is how do i put them there |
| 18:57.55 | _patrick | and how do i get rid of MESA |
| 18:59.34 | strawman | _patrick: you'd have to ask in #suse for details like that |
| 19:00.13 | _patrick | ok |
| 19:00.16 | _patrick | there now |
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| 19:04.50 | adna | Anyone here get the recent "connection to CUPS server failed" message? |
| 19:05.06 | kucrut | adna: restart your CUPS service |
| 19:05.21 | adna | tried that. The print manager gives "Error: the IPP request failed for an unknown reason"... |
| 19:06.11 | kucrut | no clue :( |
| 19:06.15 | adna | I've read many debian-based distros have been plagued by this after upgrading... |
| 19:06.37 | kucrut | ah. i dont use debians* |
| 19:06.45 | adna | kucrut: Thanks, anyway. |
| 19:06.45 | Mythor | yehh i had a lot of trouble with it (kubuntu) |
| 19:07.09 | kucrut | yw. my cups is running fine |
| 19:07.27 | Mythor | they distributed an unstable svn version for some reason |
| 19:07.52 | Mythor | that has a different conffile layout |
| 19:08.08 | adna | Mythor: Is there a known solution? |
| 19:09.03 | Mythor | sorry i dont know, i just reinstalled it |
| 19:09.18 | Mythor | didnt have time to find it out |
| 19:09.22 | adna | reinstalled cups? |
| 19:09.29 | Mythor | worked for me |
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| 19:09.32 | Mythor | yehh |
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| 19:14.17 | Eduardozzle | hay guys |
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| 19:15.11 | Eduardozzle | would anyone know whats wrong when kstartupconfig doesnt start? |
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| 19:15.52 | Mythor | Eduardozzle: what is the error msg when you start it in konsole ? |
| 19:16.33 | Eduardozzle | err I mean when you're logging in, before kde loads an error msg pops up and it says Could not start kstartupconfig, check your installation |
| 19:16.35 | Eduardozzle | then goes back to kdm |
| 19:18.37 | Mythor | does that user have a home folder ? |
| 19:19.53 | adna | exit |
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| 19:22.57 | Eduardozzle | Mythor: do you know what the problem could be? |
| 19:24.00 | Mythor | Eduardozzle: well im no expert at all but i now a couple of things you can try |
| 19:24.19 | Mythor | did you change anything recently ? |
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| 19:26.34 | Eduardozzle | Mythor I just installed kubuntu, I've been asking there but I've been ignored |
| 19:27.33 | Mythor | first check if your username has a home folder |
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| 19:34.28 | TeaSea | brb |
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| 19:34.53 | trappist | kmail knows how spamassassin-spammy a message is by reading the headers. the message shows a little graph showing it. but if I show the "spam/ham" column in the message list, there's nothing. is this configurable somewhere? |
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| 19:49.44 | Eduardozzle | Mythor I do have a home folder |
| 19:50.14 | Mythor | with exactly the same name ? |
| 19:50.26 | Mythor | than take a look at this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=328302 |
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| 20:07.48 | BlackBsd | I have noticed a problem for me, the path that is being used when i issue startx is not the same as my shell path. the path being used by startx has an extra /usr/kde/3.4/bin tacked on to the front of my PATH. any idea on what is causing this? |
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| 20:10.15 | Shirakawasuna | hey, I'm just browsing the login manager's configuration and found under the 'Convenience' tab that I can enable certain groups to be passwordless |
| 20:11.01 | Shirakawasuna | is it safe to make one of those passwordless for the benefit of say a girlfriend so that she could login without the powers my user has? |
| 20:11.20 | little_caesar | how do I make a shell script? |
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| 20:12.05 | PhilRod | little_caesar: write it in a text editor, then save it; but I suspect you want a shell scripting howto: |
| 20:12.08 | BlackBsd | little_ceasar: add the "#!/bin/yourshell" to the beginning |
| 20:12.22 | BlackBsd | or set it executable |
| 20:12.35 | little_caesar | ok. Because it'd just open the text when I clicked on it |
| 20:12.37 | Shirakawasuna | little_caesar: I'm guessing that you'll probably want a bash script so ask how to do what you'd like to do in #bash |
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| 20:12.50 | Shirakawasuna | little_caesar: and chmod +x the script to make it executable |
| 20:13.46 | PhilRod | little_caesar: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
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| 20:19.59 | Shirakawasuna | so what would anyone recommend? Should I just make a user for my girlfriend instead? |
| 20:20.26 | little_caesar | your girlfriend uses linux? |
| 20:20.31 | little_caesar | does everyone in your life use Linux? |
| 20:20.32 | little_caesar | lol |
| 20:20.35 | Shirakawasuna | hehe |
| 20:20.50 | Shirakawasuna | more accurate would be to say she uses KDE |
| 20:20.57 | Mythor | Shirakawasuna: make a new user for her |
| 20:21.30 | Shirakawasuna | good plan |
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| 20:21.49 | Shirakawasuna | good ol' linux |
| 20:22.02 | Mythor | that way she can set things she likes the way she likes it |
| 20:23.00 | little_caesar | ok. I managed to make the shell script. |
| 20:23.01 | Shirakawasuna | what are some good groups for her...hrm |
| 20:23.18 | little_caesar | What I want to do is to make it run when I start KDE, or Linux altogether. And it needs root privleges |
| 20:23.39 | little_caesar | privileges* |
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| 20:23.56 | PhilRod | ~autostart |
| 20:23.57 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2558687 |
| 20:24.16 | PhilRod | for root privileges, read up on setuid |
| 20:24.38 | Shirakawasuna | little_caesar: what is the script for? |
| 20:24.49 | Marco` | is there a kde app like ethereal? |
| 20:25.26 | little_caesar | Shirakawasuna: umounting my old hard drive, and remounting it with fuse |
| 20:25.32 | benJIman | why do you need a gui network sniffer? it's inherently text based |
| 20:25.51 | little_caesar | I don't want to give myself root priveleges. I just want to be able to, kind of "sudo" through this cript |
| 20:26.24 | benJIman | little_caesar: read sudo manpage, you can allow yourself to run specified commands as root with sudo and no password |
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| 20:30.34 | drantin | you can also NOPASSWD ALL ... |
| 20:32.31 | Shirakawasuna | personally I would use /etc/conf.d/local.start to run a root command but I'm not sure if that's gentoo-specific |
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| 20:33.25 | wko | hi there,i know that this probably isnt the right place to ask, but what's the best email client software ? |
| 20:33.34 | drantin | wko: it's a matter of opinion |
| 20:33.38 | SeicherBoB | hi there! anybody ever set up a dualhead-display with intel graphics? |
| 20:34.55 | wko | drantin yea i know but i'd like to ear some opinions .. |
| 20:34.56 | PhilRod | wko: kmail if you want a KDE app |
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| 20:35.10 | drantin | kontact is the integrated one for kde, right? |
| 20:35.25 | drantin | personally, i just use gmail via firefox... |
| 20:35.30 | wko | yea |
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| 20:35.51 | wko | but my problem is that i have 4 email acounts to work with |
| 20:36.12 | SeicherBoB | wko: what about thunderbird? |
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| 20:37.48 | wko | never tryed it .. im looking for something like outlook .. but never needed before such software like that |
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| 20:42.11 | PhilRod | wko: try kmail, thunderbird and evolution and see which one fits your needs/preferences |
| 20:42.36 | wko | ok tnks |
| 20:45.55 | Shirakawasuna | hmm |
| 20:46.03 | Shirakawasuna | does anyone know why an image file wouldn't preview in konqueror? |
| 20:46.12 | Renze | too big? |
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| 20:46.44 | Renze | bigger than the threshhold set in preferences, I mean |
| 20:47.22 | hagabaka | kyle: is domain equivalent to workgroup? |
| 20:47.31 | hagabaka | ...oops |
| 20:47.40 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: ah, I never even saw that preference :) |
| 20:48.01 | little_caesar | ok. The shell script didn't work |
| 20:48.01 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: heh :) |
| 20:48.01 | little_caesar | this is what I have to do in the console: |
| 20:48.04 | little_caesar | umount /dev/hda2 |
| 20:48.08 | little_caesar | modprobe fuse |
| 20:48.29 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: I've been converting jpegs to pngs |
| 20:48.35 | Shirakawasuna | *silly me* |
| 20:48.48 | little_caesar | ntfs-3g /dev/hda2 /media/D -o silent,umask=0,no_def_opts,allow_other |
| 20:49.00 | Shirakawasuna | little_caesar: why do you need to do that? |
| 20:49.21 | little_caesar | because /dev/hda2's already mounted as ntfs (no write support) by default |
| 20:49.27 | little_caesar | and I want it to be mounted in ntfs-3g |
| 20:49.33 | Shirakawasuna | little_caesar: why not have fuse load at startup and make an fstab entry for that? |
| 20:49.51 | little_caesar | tried. I couldn't get it to work |
| 20:49.57 | little_caesar | I have to put modprobe fuse somewhere in there |
| 20:50.05 | little_caesar | because Ican't just do the moutn command for ntfs-3g |
| 20:50.14 | little_caesar | it seems as if I HAVE to modprobe fuse |
| 20:50.24 | Shirakawasuna | I haven't used another distro in a while - is /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 universal? |
| 20:50.28 | Renze | that's what startup scripts are for |
| 20:50.39 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: I don't think so |
| 20:50.45 | Shirakawasuna | hmmm |
| 20:50.51 | Shirakawasuna | little_caesar: have you tried building fuse into the kernel? |
| 20:50.54 | little_caesar | what's your distro? SUSE 10.1? |
| 20:50.57 | Shirakawasuna | gentoo |
| 20:51.00 | Renze | gentoo |
| 20:51.08 | little_caesar | shirakawasuna: I don't know. lol. I suppose not, then |
| 20:52.01 | Shirakawasuna | if you build it in you'll have support at all times and won't need to modprobe or rmmod |
| 20:52.22 | little_caesar | well, I don't know how to do that. How do I do? |
| 20:52.23 | Shirakawasuna | I'm not sure what to do for you distro other than to cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig. Perhaps your distro has an option to enable it in a gui or something |
| 20:53.48 | little_caesar | how do I build it into the kernel? |
| 20:54.01 | little_caesar | or is that distro specific? |
| 20:54.26 | Renze | adding modprobe fuse to a startup script would be a lot easier |
| 20:54.42 | Renze | but that *is* distro specific |
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| 20:55.15 | little_caesar | Renze: that's what I'm trying to do right now, though. But... how do I make it so the script is run as root? |
| 20:55.24 | little_caesar | because you have to be root in order to do all of the things necessary |
| 20:55.31 | Renze | if it's a startup script, it will run as root |
| 20:55.48 | little_caesar | then the script I have didn't work. Here, I'll paste it |
| 20:55.50 | PhilRod | little_caesar: you should really ask in #yourdistro, since they can tell you *exactly* how to use your distro's tools to do this |
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| 20:56.06 | Renze | what PhilRod said |
| 20:56.54 | benJIman | some distros have somewhere to specify modules to load on boot or in initrd which you could use |
| 20:58.20 | little_caesar | http://paste.axpr.net/?show=826 |
| 20:58.35 | little_caesar | ok. I'll try SUSE out |
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| 20:59.01 | little_caesar | Before I go, though |
| 20:59.09 | little_caesar | from what you can tell, is there anything wrong with that? |
| 20:59.11 | drantin | little_caesar: can't you specify fuse in fstab? |
| 20:59.24 | little_caesar | drantin: I have to modprobe it first |
| 20:59.39 | drantin | autoload fuse then... |
| 20:59.48 | benJIman | little_caesar: what distro do you use? |
| 20:59.54 | little_caesar | drantin: tell me how do to that, have it actually work, and then I'll be happy |
| 20:59.58 | drantin | suse he said |
| 20:59.59 | little_caesar | benJIman: SUSE 10.1 |
| 21:00.49 | benJIman | little_caesar: yast -> system -> /etc/sysconfig editor -> system -> kernel -> MODULES_LOADED_ON_BOOT -> put fuse in the input box and click finish |
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| 21:01.27 | drantin | little_caesar: put the name of the module in /etc/modules.autoload.d/Kernel-2.6 |
| 21:01.32 | PhilRod | little_caesar: setuid isn't a command, it's a permission bit |
| 21:01.40 | benJIman | drantin: better to use the sysconfig setting |
| 21:01.47 | benJIman | drantin: to avoid problems on upgrade etc |
| 21:01.50 | benJIman | tis the suse way |
| 21:02.10 | drantin | ah... used to the gentoo way, and to a lesser extent the debian way |
| 21:02.45 | benJIman | besides there's no /etc/modules.autoload.d on suse |
| 21:02.48 | nik | (Konqueror) If I add "Location Bar" to the Main Tool Bar in "Configure Toolbars" - nothing happens, no location bar is displayed...any hint? |
| 21:02.53 | little_caesar | ok. so I just did the yast thing. And now I edit fstab, and it should work? |
| 21:03.04 | benJIman | little_caesar: next time you boot fuse should be loaded automatically |
| 21:03.06 | drantin | benJIman: used google and it popped up.. |
| 21:03.35 | lunitik | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.39 | Renze | nik: you can only have one location bar at a time... you have to remove the one from the location toolbar first. |
| 21:03.40 | little_caesar | PhilRod: I think BenJIman has the solution, but explain to me how setuid is used |
| 21:04.16 | drantin | chmod? |
| 21:04.18 | Renze | chmod +s <command> |
| 21:04.25 | benJIman | setting script to setuid is not a good idea |
| 21:04.35 | nik | Renze: ah, fantastic, thx! :) |
| 21:04.42 | Renze | nik: no problem |
| 21:05.00 | benJIman | though on suse you can go restrict things with apparmor, but still no need for that |
| 21:05.08 | little_caesar | well, when I want to run a script with different permissions, how would I do that? |
| 21:05.13 | drantin | make sure root is the only one able to edit the script... |
| 21:05.22 | drantin | setuid with users able to modify it... |
| 21:06.16 | little_caesar | setuid isn't a command, apaprently. Then what am I supposed to do, then? |
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| 21:06.50 | Renze | use what benJIman told you to autoload fuse, and use an fstab entry |
| 21:07.00 | little_caesar | ok. |
| 21:07.04 | benJIman | little_caesar: what are you trying to use with fuse? |
| 21:07.09 | little_caesar | let me finish changing fstab and then I'll reboot |
| 21:07.11 | benJIman | suse has kio_fuse integration out of the box |
| 21:07.28 | little_caesar | benJIman: just load my ntfs drive so that it has write support |
| 21:09.07 | little_caesar | kio_fuse? what's that? |
| 21:09.22 | drantin | fuse is a user loadable file system module type thingy |
| 21:09.35 | drantin | ..misread that entirely... |
| 21:09.36 | little_caesar | ok, rebooting |
| 21:09.38 | Pinaraf | drantin: not really |
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| 21:09.41 | Renze | filesystems in userspace |
| 21:09.54 | Pinaraf | Renze: you typed faster than me :/ |
| 21:10.01 | Renze | sorry ;) |
| 21:10.05 | benJIman | little_caesar: kio_fuse lets you mount kioslaves as fuse mounts so that non-kde apps can use them |
| 21:10.47 | benJIman | just tools -> fuse mount directory in konqueror |
| 21:11.00 | nik | (Konqueror) Settings > Toolbars - there is no Filter Bar, why? Filter has elements |
| 21:11.10 | simmerz | is there a kde alternative to kontact/kmail? |
| 21:11.28 | Renze | um, kontact/kmail are kde apps |
| 21:11.49 | simmerz | Renze: yes, and I'm looking for alternatives |
| 21:11.51 | simmerz | I don't like them |
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| 21:12.06 | simmerz | well actually, i dont like kmail |
| 21:12.14 | Renze | I like kmail a lot |
| 21:12.15 | simmerz | kontact i don't have a problem with, save for it regularly crashing |
| 21:12.30 | Renze | crashing? what distro? |
| 21:12.39 | simmerz | gentoo |
| 21:12.49 | Renze | gentoo here, and kontact is rock solid |
| 21:13.19 | simmerz | i am running unstable so it could be that. just froze my package list into package.keywords yesterday, so i should have a stable system in a year or so ;-) |
| 21:13.26 | Renze | I am running unstable too |
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| 21:14.19 | little_caesar | it works, benJIman! |
| 21:14.40 | little_caesar | now. How do I get the icon in my media:/ folder to work? |
| 21:14.48 | little_caesar | it doesn't go there. lol |
| 21:14.50 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: emerge -e world |
| 21:14.52 | Shirakawasuna | :) |
| 21:15.05 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: actually, emerge -epw world | genlop -p and see how long it would take |
| 21:15.28 | simmerz | Renze: hmm. one thing i dont like about kmail is that it includes the header as part of the email. so if there is css in the email, the header gets shifted around |
| 21:15.48 | Renze | simmerz: it does? it doesn't move in my kmail |
| 21:15.57 | simmerz | Shirakawasuna: I dont mean how long it will take to build, i mean how long it will take before the unstable package versions are superceded by the stable ones |
| 21:16.04 | Renze | but I get very little html email |
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| 21:16.39 | simmerz | Renze: I'm a web developer. I have to build it sometimes |
| 21:16.48 | simmerz | and kmail annoys me with it. |
| 21:16.58 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: 6 months is the usual estimate |
| 21:17.01 | Shirakawasuna | I'm happy when it's faster |
| 21:17.07 | simmerz | still would rather have the header as a separate element of the preview pane |
| 21:17.08 | Renze | you do web development in kmail? |
| 21:17.21 | Renze | I do mine in kate :D |
| 21:17.25 | simmerz | Renze: no, i use kmail to test html emails. I use quanta |
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| 21:18.35 | simmerz | oo, thats a question. the svn server at work is set up to use http access. i can't for the life of me get it working in quanta, despite having set up the kdesvn plugin |
| 21:18.46 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: I was recommending emerge -e world | genlop -p because an emerge -e world fixes all sorts of things |
| 21:18.56 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: and depending on how fast your computer is it could take quite a while |
| 21:19.10 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: sometimes a simple recompile will fix things - perhaps your make.conf is too edgy |
| 21:19.18 | simmerz | Shirakawasuna: yes it does, but it doesn't fix glibc |
| 21:19.29 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: so does a revdep-rebuild, and that doesn't take quite as long... doesn't fix as much, though |
| 21:19.37 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: are you using testing glibc? |
| 21:19.47 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: yeah I should've recommended that first |
| 21:19.54 | simmerz | yeah |
| 21:19.54 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: what errors is kmail giving you when it dies? |
| 21:19.59 | Renze | unstable glibc? that's just asking for trouble |
| 21:20.04 | simmerz | it doesn't. just the crashout screen |
| 21:20.06 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: well there's your problem |
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| 21:20.13 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: ask in #gentoo |
| 21:20.33 | simmerz | Renze: which is why im now having to wait 6 months or so to go back to stable, with *some* testing packages |
| 21:20.47 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: do you have the nptl and nptlonly USE flags set? |
| 21:20.49 | Renze | having to wait? |
| 21:20.55 | simmerz | yes |
| 21:20.56 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: you don't have to wait |
| 21:21.02 | simmerz | im not reinstalling |
| 21:21.09 | nik | (Konqueror) So finally I removed some things from the toolbar that I would like to have back...it was marked they I cannot readd them if I remove them...it's really lost? |
| 21:21.10 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: sounds like someone didn't read the handbook very closely :) |
| 21:21.14 | simmerz | and im not going through the hell of downgrading everything |
| 21:21.21 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: most people in here who run testing KDE don't run testing everything |
| 21:21.24 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: just kde |
| 21:21.34 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: well then be happy with what you have |
| 21:21.46 | simmerz | yeah, i installed a testing install in 2004 because the diffs between stable and testing were huge then |
| 21:21.49 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: it takes some sort of effort to fix things |
| 21:21.49 | simmerz | they are not so great now |
| 21:22.11 | Renze | simmerz: you've made your own bed, now sleep in it :) |
| 21:22.16 | simmerz | so that is why i have set my ACCEPT_KEYWORDS back to x86 and frozen the package list for ~x86 |
| 21:22.26 | simmerz | Renze: I'm happy with my choices. im not moaning |
| 21:22.53 | simmerz | im saying i have now made a choice to go back to testing, but because of previous choices, i have to do it the hard and long way |
| 21:22.59 | Renze | yes you are... you're asking for alternatives to kontact/kmail because kontact is crashing (very probably because of glibc) |
| 21:23.17 | simmerz | Renze: kontact crashing is the least of my worries. i just don't like kmail |
| 21:23.51 | simmerz | its very counter-intuitive. thunderbird is a very good email package, if it doesn't include all the groupware features that kontact/evolution do, but it doesn't integrate well into kde |
| 21:23.52 | Renze | so file bug reports, or fix what you don't like and provide patches to the community for possible inclusion |
| 21:23.57 | Shirakawasuna | ah, I see |
| 21:24.02 | Shirakawasuna | simmerz: well there's always thunderbird |
| 21:24.30 | simmerz | wouldn't it be nice if someone actually got on with what they said they were going to do and port gecko to qt |
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| 21:24.52 | simmerz | oh, and khtml is absolute rubbish. fast, but crap |
| 21:24.59 | piggz | personally i find kontact/kmail the best email package ive used on any os...it looks nice, got ood features and is easy to use |
| 21:25.16 | benJIman | simmerz: that's a stupid statement, khtml is great, better than gecko for most things |
| 21:25.36 | Renze | it passed the acid2 test, which gecko has yet to do |
| 21:25.38 | benJIman | simmerz: just because it doesn't render some particular standards incompliant page that's tweaked to work in gecko doesn't make khtml bad |
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| 21:28.02 | hagabaka | khtml rocks |
| 21:28.27 | hagabaka | now that it doesn't freeze when rendering my blog anymore :) |
| 21:29.59 | little_caesar | has anyone here got pethumbnail to work? |
| 21:30.04 | SimAtWork | i know this doesn't exactly apply to this channel but i'd rather see one of you nerds get it than some momo http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/16/engadgets-cleaning-out-our-closet-contest/ |
| 21:30.08 | little_caesar | it shows the icons of .exe's |
| 21:30.40 | hagabaka | what's a momo? |
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| 21:33.46 | SimAtWork | hagabaka: a windows using turd. i was trying to be polite. |
| 21:33.59 | SimAtWork | now go get free hardware please :) |
| 21:34.20 | hagabaka | :O free? |
| 21:34.30 | SimAtWork | aparantly you just have to ask for it |
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| 21:34.34 | SimAtWork | and if they like your request most youg et it |
| 21:34.40 | SimAtWork | they claim to be basing it on "need" |
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| 21:34.48 | Renze | so lie your ass off |
| 21:34.55 | SimAtWork | lol |
| 21:34.59 | SimAtWork | i didn't lie |
| 21:35.05 | logixoul | is there a way to hide backup files in konq? |
| 21:35.06 | simmerz | hmm. big crash freeze |
| 21:35.15 | little_caesar | tell them you would be on welfare, but they wouldn't give it to you because they think you're ugly |
| 21:35.47 | SimAtWork | according to WP: Momo is used as an insult by Robert DeNiro in the film Casino directed at the brainless slot machine manager |
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| 21:35.53 | SimAtWork | i didn't know that's where it came from though. |
| 21:35.58 | little_caesar | and are trying to eliminate you from the gene pool. And your brother stole your bike when you were a kid |
| 21:36.09 | hagabaka | meh, i would never get things like that :( |
| 21:36.20 | cb400f | logixoul: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378 |
| 21:36.55 | logixoul | so you went for the evil name, after all :P |
| 21:37.21 | logixoul | is it really necessary to have the "formerly" tag? |
| 21:37.51 | logixoul | nevermind, let's see the changes... |
| 21:38.02 | XVampireX | My friend is such a microsoft zealot |
| 21:38.28 | cb400f | logixoul: I'll leave the formerly for a few releases.. don't wanna alienate the userbase |
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| 21:38.36 | Renze | I thought only Apple had zealots :D |
| 21:38.40 | SimAtWork | XVampireX: drain their blood. |
| 21:38.49 | logixoul | cb400f: fair enuff |
| 21:38.49 | SimAtWork | XVampireX: or get them to use something else. |
| 21:38.54 | _mdeanda_ | can somebody help a noob get ksystemtray to work? http://rafb.net/paste/results/gb6diw53.html |
| 21:38.54 | SimAtWork | XVampireX: or both |
| 21:38.59 | XVampireX | He said I shouldn't talk about linux much but when I mention how microsoft pays people to use their products, he immediately related that to linux |
| 21:39.21 | SimAtWork | if he doesn't like linux |
| 21:39.22 | logixoul | cb400f: why don't you autoenable xine for amarok? |
| 21:39.23 | SimAtWork | mention osx |
| 21:39.33 | SimAtWork | OSX is also far superior to Windows. |
| 21:39.48 | cb400f | logixoul: because I don't know anything about dcop? |
| 21:39.56 | XVampireX | That's not the point |
| 21:40.02 | logixoul | cb400f: just write to the config file |
| 21:40.21 | cb400f | logixoul: what command can do that? |
| 21:40.34 | XVampireX | The point is that he is so ignorant and so desparately wants to prove himself that microsoft are gods |
| 21:40.37 | cb400f | sounds a bit risky |
| 21:40.59 | logixoul | cb400f: your own; or can't you code? |
| 21:41.06 | Renze | XVampireX: most people don't like to admit they have made a mistake, so will defend their choice to the death |
| 21:41.23 | XVampireX | He uses Microsoft Office 2007 now too, and when I asked him about OpenOffice he related that to java, and I said only a little part of it is written in java and can be disabled, but he didn't listen |
| 21:41.23 | SimAtWork | XVampireX: people like to align with those people who are on top. it makes them feel like they are part of a winning team. |
| 21:41.26 | hagabaka | oh no, 1722 comments already...i'd never be able to compete with them |
| 21:41.46 | logixoul | cb400f: found it! |
| 21:41.50 | SimAtWork | XVampireX: it can't really be helped. It's like nobody in your town cares abotu hockey, but your team is winning the NHL and everyone gets hockey fevor. |
| 21:41.53 | logixoul | cb400f: amarok --engine xine |
| 21:42.03 | XVampireX | haha |
| 21:42.06 | cb400f | logixoul: can't code.. can't even shell script.. am completely limited to the functionality of Kommander |
| 21:42.28 | logixoul | cb400f: so what about this? |
| 21:42.52 | XVampireX | I had to force him to try GIMP :P |
| 21:42.53 | cb400f | logixoul: hm.. nice.. but that would probably need to be run as the user.. which brings back that problem again |
| 21:43.02 | alsuren | cb400f: ever wanted to learn to code? |
| 21:43.08 | logixoul | cb400f: you run the dialog as root? |
| 21:43.10 | SimAtWork | XVampireX: next install OO without telling him |
| 21:43.15 | SimAtWork | then FF and Thunderbird |
| 21:43.21 | XVampireX | what? |
| 21:43.23 | SimAtWork | then install kubuntu :) |
| 21:43.30 | XVampireX | Haha |
| 21:43.33 | XVampireX | He's not stupid :P |
| 21:43.41 | SimAtWork | you just said he is |
| 21:44.00 | Renze | microsoft zealot equates directly to stupid :D |
| 21:44.05 | cb400f | alsuren: sure.. actually have a C/C++ book lying around.. but.. fear of complex things and RSI is holding me back |
| 21:44.09 | XVampireX | lol |
| 21:44.15 | _mdeanda_ | any kde developers here? |
| 21:44.26 | alsuren | *laughs* |
| 21:44.27 | logixoul | _mdeanda_: yep |
| 21:44.34 | logixoul | _mdeanda_: (unofficial) |
| 21:44.37 | _mdeanda_ | can you help out a bit with ksystemtray? |
| 21:44.45 | logixoul | _mdeanda_: #kde-devel |
| 21:44.51 | cb400f | logixoul: yup, it runs as root.. still considering whether to put kdesu at every command |
| 21:44.56 | _mdeanda_ | logixoul: ahh... |
| 21:45.13 | cb400f | logixoul: or maybe just make a use xine-engine-button with kdesu |
| 21:45.39 | logixoul | cb400f: kdesu to whom? |
| 21:45.54 | cb400f | logixoul: from root > user |
| 21:46.05 | logixoul | cb400f: yea, but which user? |
| 21:46.17 | cb400f | logixoul: that's for the user to decide :) |
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| 21:46.42 | logixoul | cb400f: and how do you plan to let him decide? |
| 21:46.46 | logixoul | :) |
| 21:47.16 | cb400f | logixoul: see the "Misc."-tab.. I'd do the same thing |
| 21:47.38 | logixoul | still haven't dled it... |
| 21:47.51 | logixoul | i will now |
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| 21:49.36 | little_caesar | ok. I can't install something because of aclocal, somehow |
| 21:49.40 | little_caesar | cd . && aclocal-1.6 |
| 21:49.50 | little_caesar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.03 | little_caesar | but, I have automake installed... |
| 21:50.22 | Renze | what version of automake? |
| 21:50.38 | little_caesar | 1.9.6 |
| 21:50.47 | Renze | there you go... |
| 21:50.59 | little_caesar | it's not the latest? |
| 21:51.13 | Renze | what version of aclocal comes with automake 1.9.6? it's certainly not 1.6 |
| 21:51.38 | little_caesar | lol. how do I check aclocal? |
| 21:52.17 | Renze | little_caesar: http://rafb.net/paste/results/33j3xE55.html |
| 21:52.37 | Renze | I have six versions of automake installed :) |
| 21:52.45 | little_caesar | ;) |
| 21:52.57 | little_caesar | bash: locate: command not found |
| 21:53.10 | Renze | bah, that's suse for you... |
| 21:53.16 | cb400f | logixoul: btw., see "About" tab too, you're mentioned as contributor, hope you don't mind being associated with the project |
| 21:53.47 | little_caesar | I'll ask the SUSE channel what the laternate to locate it |
| 21:53.48 | little_caesar | is* |
| 21:54.05 | Renze | that would be find, but it's horribly slow since it doesn't use a database |
| 21:54.22 | cb400f | little_caesar: or beagle |
| 21:55.00 | cb400f | little_caesar: think locate was removed for ressource hogging.. not exactly sure though |
| 21:55.12 | little_caesar | so what do I do? |
| 21:55.21 | Renze | resource hogging? ridiculous! |
| 21:55.23 | cb400f | .. not that beagle is any better though |
| 21:55.47 | Renze | I run updatedb at 3:15am... how is that hogging resources? |
| 21:55.58 | cb400f | Renze: don't take my word.. just seem to remember hearing something |
| 21:56.10 | Renze | silly binary distro people... :D |
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| 21:57.18 | Shadewalker | Renze: have fun suffering your rice. |
| 21:57.40 | logixoul | cb400f: w00t! |
| 21:57.49 | Renze | I like rice... especially the jasmine variety. goes well with thai food :D |
| 21:58.12 | cb400f | logixoul: well.. the name was your idea :) |
| 21:59.15 | logixoul | cb400f: like hell it was, im teh smart! |
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| 22:01.45 | Renze | s.m.r.t like homer simpson? |
| 22:01.49 | cb400f | logixoul: hehe.. it was one of your ideas.. and a good one too ;-) |
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| 22:13.33 | logixoul | Renze: absolutely :) |
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| 22:18.01 | waspius_ | hello..anyone know why my trash does not show when it is full?or what i might do to fix it? |
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| 22:21.25 | cb400f | waspius_: do you use a customized iconset? |
| 22:21.32 | logixoul | waspius_: where doesn't it show? |
| 22:21.45 | logixoul | heh |
| 22:21.51 | cb400f | no patience.. |
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| 22:23.03 | nik | hi |
| 22:23.49 | nik | what is needed that kde auto mounts and popup a window (what should happen) if a usbstick is plugged in? |
| 22:24.57 | _mdeanda_ | nik: i believe it just looks at the fstab file.. (whenever i change it, i get popups) |
| 22:26.28 | alsuren | nik: which distro are you on? |
| 22:26.28 | nik | arch |
| 22:28.08 | logixoul | nik: which kde ver? |
| 22:28.40 | nik | 3.5.4 |
| 22:29.05 | drantin | nik: hald and dbus |
| 22:29.24 | nik | drantin: running, and usb-storage module is loaded |
| 22:29.38 | drantin | nik: are the hald rules set up properly? |
| 22:30.04 | nik | drantin: never touched them; an installation before it worked out of the box |
| 22:30.26 | drantin | i had to change them in a recent upgrade, but i'm running a different distro... |
| 22:30.45 | Renze | nik: do you have pmount installed? |
| 22:31.12 | nik | Renze: yes |
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| 22:32.10 | logixoul | nik: kcontrol->peripherals->storage media |
| 22:33.00 | logixoul | from the "Medium types:" dropdown choose "unmounted removable media" |
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| 22:33.21 | logixoul | and see if you can work your way from there... |
| 22:33.34 | logixoul | also check the "advanced" tab |
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| 22:34.18 | nik | nothing wrong there |
| 22:35.18 | logixoul | is "enable medium app autostart after mount" checked? |
| 22:35.25 | nik | yes |
| 22:35.30 | logixoul | and the other two? |
| 22:35.54 | nik | they are "grey" - can't click them |
| 22:36.08 | nik | but they are checked |
| 22:36.14 | logixoul | okay |
| 22:37.05 | logixoul | nik: try in #archlinux |
| 22:37.12 | logixoul | (if you haven't already) |
| 22:37.22 | nik | so dmesg reports nothing wrong, last line: usb-storage: device scan complete; Now I noticed that there is no /dev/sdaX |
| 22:38.08 | logixoul | but you still can browse the usbdisk?! |
| 22:38.12 | Renze | nik: modprobe sd_mod |
| 22:38.42 | nik | Renze: yes! that's it...thx |
| 22:38.48 | nik | damn... :x |
| 22:38.58 | Renze | no problem... had the same "issue" a while back |
| 22:39.25 | SimAtWork | some guy wants to take away the caps lock key! |
| 22:39.25 | SimAtWork | what a stupid idea |
| 22:39.25 | Renze | caps lock sucks |
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| 22:39.27 | nik | thought usb-storage would load everything necessary |
| 22:39.28 | Shadewalker | SimAtWork: the caps lock key certainly was a stupid idea. |
| 22:39.35 | kucrut | take away the win key pls |
| 22:39.38 | Renze | nik: apparently not :) |
| 22:39.41 | Shadewalker | kucrut: that, too. |
| 22:39.48 | SimAtWork | i like my caps lock key |
| 22:39.53 | logixoul | SimAtWork: What would you use it for? |
| 22:39.54 | SimAtWork | at the very least |
| 22:40.00 | SimAtWork | scroll lock should be removed first! |
| 22:40.06 | Shadewalker | SimAtWork: die. |
| 22:40.07 | Renze | I never use my caps lock key... it just wastes space |
| 22:40.10 | logixoul | SimAtWork: scroll lock is more useful |
| 22:40.12 | kucrut | hah |
| 22:40.28 | SimAtWork | well caps is especially useful for the peek and poke typists |
| 22:40.34 | Renze | it's only for people that like to SHOUT |
| 22:40.40 | logixoul | SimAtWork: which shouldn't exist anyway :P |
| 22:40.48 | SimAtWork | lol |
| 22:40.52 | logixoul | SimAtWork: so who's the guy who wants to take it away? |
| 22:41.14 | SimAtWork | there you go logixoul: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/16/1225239&from=rss |
| 22:41.29 | nik | kucrut: why win key? it's cool - I use it as a modifier key and hitting win key + mouse moves a _window_ :) |
| 22:41.53 | SimAtWork | it's a linkey ! |
| 22:42.20 | SimAtWork | you know, i can't think of any good reason to use caps any more. |
| 22:42.38 | SimAtWork | when i used those old word processors that wouldn't let me change case it was somewhat important. |
| 22:42.42 | SimAtWork | i guess you guys are right. |
| 22:42.45 | SimAtWork | it's a useless key. |
| 22:42.49 | Shadewalker | nik: a blank key at the same position could do the same. |
| 22:43.15 | nik | Shadewalker: well, it's just the label |
| 22:43.31 | nik | caps lock key is also cool - well, I use it for yakuake :D |
| 22:43.36 | Renze | I call it Meta instead... less offensive :D |
| 22:45.32 | logixoul | on most keybs there are 4 mod keys: alt, control, shift, win. i would like it better if they were Command, Shift and System... |
| 22:45.50 | Renze | don't forget Compose :) |
| 22:46.10 | logixoul | do us people really need it? :) |
| 22:46.18 | nik | actually, all the keyboards are obsolete :x |
| 22:46.27 | Renze | I'm not in the US, and occasionally I like to use accents and stuff :D |
| 22:46.28 | nik | qwertz is not the answer :x |
| 22:46.47 | logixoul | nik: sure isn't |
| 22:46.56 | Renze | ...or swear in German: Scheiße! |
| 22:47.08 | logixoul | Renze: neither am i, but I'd love to be... :) |
| 22:47.25 | Renze | you want to be in the US? I don't |
| 22:47.25 | logixoul | Renze: Verdammt! |
| 22:47.37 | nik | viele deutsche hier? :x |
| 22:47.43 | SimAtWork | it'd be neat if caps could be turned into a persistent ctrl key or something |
| 22:47.50 | SimAtWork | maybe caps is good for those with disabilities? |
| 22:47.59 | logixoul | Himmel donnerwetter, du kleine dummkopfs! |
| 22:48.11 | logixoul | SimAtWork: hmm... |
| 22:48.17 | logixoul | SimAtWork: makes sense actually. |
| 22:48.26 | SimAtWork | yah |
| 22:48.30 | logixoul | SimAtWork: we've got all sorts of stickykeys and whatnot |
| 22:48.45 | logixoul | SimAtWork: yet we want to ban what precious little disabled people have. |
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| 22:48.54 | logixoul | SimAtWork: ...BUT |
| 22:48.58 | SimAtWork | we want to ban disabld people? |
| 22:49.13 | SimAtWork | i dunno if that is sucha hot idea. |
| 22:49.21 | logixoul | precisely |
| 22:49.32 | SimAtWork | we need someone around to harvest organs from. |
| 22:49.59 | SimAtWork | without disabled they'd probably end up harvesting them from us geeks. |
| 22:50.07 | Renze | this is the bad taste police... I have an infringement notice here for SimAtWork |
| 22:50.17 | nik | NTFS-fs error (device sda7): load_system_files(): $LogFile is not clean. Mounting read-only. Mount in Windows. -.- |
| 22:50.24 | SimAtWork | fine fine |
| 22:50.25 | logixoul | SimAtWork: from US geeks or from "us" geeks? |
| 22:50.25 | SimAtWork | caps lock me up. |
| 22:50.41 | SimAtWork | logixoul: us as in wii |
| 22:50.49 | logixoul | why not just make a kcontrol option that globally switches the shift key between the current capslock and shift behavior? |
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| 22:52.35 | nik | thx, bye :) |
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| 22:57.44 | rambo3 | how do i install start menu launch bar theme |
| 22:58.22 | Renze | are you talking about a kbfx theme or a kicker background? |
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| 22:59.36 | logixoul | ...or a kmenu icon? |
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| 23:00.25 | protex | My address bar and back, forward refresh buttons are gone on Konqueror, even my file, edit etc etc |
| 23:00.29 | protex | what do I do to get them back? |
| 23:00.42 | logixoul | protex: settings->toolbars |
| 23:01.04 | Renze | protex: ctrl+m for the menu, and you can bring back your toolbar from there |
| 23:01.14 | rambo3 | logixoul: the whole menu and the icon , |
| 23:01.17 | protex | Thanks guys =) |
| 23:01.30 | Renze | no problem |
| 23:01.34 | logixoul | rambo3: what menu? |
| 23:01.38 | rambo3 | Renze: its a kbfx theme |
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| 23:01.54 | Renze | then you install it using the kbfx settings window |
| 23:02.05 | bjornh | what's the name of kde's messenger client again? |
| 23:02.13 | logixoul | bjornh: kopete |
| 23:02.21 | bjornh | that's the one, thanks |
| 23:02.29 | logixoul | bjornh: there is also konversation |
| 23:02.33 | logixoul | bjornh: ...for irc |
| 23:03.27 | bjornh | I'm looking for a proper MSN client. as all other clients either look ugly or keep crashing |
| 23:03.42 | logixoul | then kopete it is, correct. |
| 23:03.48 | Shirakawasuna | I'm having problems converting .icos to .pngs using konqueror's built-in 'actions > convert > PNG'. I think it uses imagemagick. Has anyone else had this problem? |
| 23:04.10 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: i vaguely recall this working... |
| 23:04.15 | Renze | aren't they just renamed .bmp files? |
| 23:04.21 | logixoul | Renze: no |
| 23:04.29 | logixoul | Renze: they're containers for bmps |
| 23:04.33 | Renze | ah |
| 23:05.08 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: where were most windows icons? |
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| 23:06.44 | logixoul | okay, found one |
| 23:07.17 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: works extraordinarily fine here |
| 23:07.29 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: update your KDE maybe |
| 23:08.34 | Shirakawasuna | maybe |
| 23:08.45 | Shirakawasuna | imagemagick itself doesn't work either which is why I was asking |
| 23:08.47 | Shirakawasuna | they do the same thing |
| 23:09.06 | Shirakawasuna | the transparent sections are converted to black and everything else is white |
| 23:10.14 | logixoul | well, here from uninstall.ico i get 5 pngs |
| 23:10.36 | logixoul | some are masks (god knows why) and some are normal pngs with alpha |
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| 23:13.28 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: here images 3, 4 and 5 are what you describe and 0, 1 and 2 are okay |
| 23:14.30 | XVampireX | Last but not least: Good night people |
| 23:14.35 | logixoul | g'night from me too |
| 23:14.41 | XVampireX | :D |
| 23:14.45 | Renze | night? the sun is shining :D |
| 23:15.02 | logixoul | Renze: you're in germany, aren't you? |
| 23:15.08 | Renze | nope |
| 23:15.10 | Shirakawasuna | fun |
| 23:15.14 | logixoul | france? |
| 23:15.18 | Renze | nope |
| 23:15.28 | logixoul | Niederland? |
| 23:15.33 | Renze | nope |
| 23:15.38 | logixoul | Belgium? |
| 23:15.40 | Shirakawasuna | canada! |
| 23:15.40 | Renze | nope |
| 23:15.43 | Renze | nope |
| 23:15.46 | Shirakawasuna | australia! |
| 23:15.50 | logixoul | noo |
| 23:15.52 | Renze | no way! |
| 23:16.05 | Shirakawasuna | liechtenstein! |
| 23:16.11 | Renze | nope |
| 23:16.18 | logixoul | switzerland |
| 23:16.19 | Shirakawasuna | the vatican! |
| 23:16.23 | Renze | nope, nope |
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| 23:16.54 | Renze | here's a clue... short people with fascinations with rings |
| 23:17.04 | logixoul | Renze: hee-hee |
| 23:17.21 | logixoul | surely not Orcs... |
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| 23:17.38 | Renze | we have some orcs around |
| 23:17.46 | slicslak | italian |
| 23:17.46 | hagabaka | is there a comic tv about some agents named Catch <some number>? |
| 23:18.29 | logixoul | YEAH! |
| 23:18.37 | logixoul | Renze: FUCKING NEW ZEALAND |
| 23:18.46 | logixoul | right? right? |
| 23:18.47 | Renze | about time :D |
| 23:19.10 | logixoul | what's with the "de" in your name? |
| 23:19.45 | Renze | I'm Dutch by birth, but moved here when I was four. |
| 23:19.59 | logixoul | so i was right about the name! :) |
| 23:20.08 | mobtek | wat leuk |
| 23:20.10 | Renze | not in the first guess :P |
| 23:20.24 | logixoul | anyway, good [insert your local time of the day here] all! |
| 23:20.28 | mobtek | haha Renze I am a part dutchie too |
| 23:20.39 | mobtek | I was born here but have my dutch passport |
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| 23:20.57 | Renze | I don't have either of my passports yet |
| 23:22.14 | ||Joe|| | lol |
| 23:22.42 | napkin | i'm wondering if i can improve the window management of gimp. by default its toolboxes and panels are 'above others', which is similar to photoshop/illustrator. however if you're working with other apps on the same desktop, the gimp panels stay on top of everything. to make matters worse i don't know if there's a way to minimize/restore the entire group of gimp windows. i can only handle them independently. |
| 23:22.42 | Renze | mobtek: I'm 100% dutch, by the way :) |
| 23:22.49 | mobtek | hahaha |
| 23:23.02 | napkin | i use KDE of course :) |
| 23:23.12 | Renze | napkin: special window settings |
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| 23:23.36 | Renze | napkin: right click, advanced -> special window settings (or special application settings, your choice) |
| 23:23.52 | Renze | right click on the titlebar, I mean |
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| 23:24.24 | napkin | right, i looked around through there- i couldn't find any option that sounded right for this though. for example, how would i make a window 'above others' only in the same application group. |
| 23:27.28 | SimAtWork | anyone here use kdevelop? |
| 23:27.43 | napkin | SimAtWork: there is no doubt some do :P |
| 23:27.50 | SimAtWork | i'm havinga weird problem |
| 23:28.09 | SimAtWork | when i type in a function name while i'm typing it it shows the entire function + parameters |
| 23:28.15 | SimAtWork | but when i finish the name and hit ( it dispears |
| 23:28.17 | SimAtWork | it didn't used to do this |
| 23:28.23 | napkin | there's also the #kdevelop channel FYI |
| 23:28.23 | SimAtWork | i'm sure i just need to turn something on |
| 23:28.27 | SimAtWork | but i dont' know what it's called |
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| 23:30.42 | SimAtWork | #kdevelop seems dead |
| 23:31.16 | napkin | it's just sleeping. |
| 23:32.12 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: I know you knew |
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| 23:38.54 | fek_ | hi |
| 23:39.04 | fek_ | where do i turn the behavoiur off, to move deleted files in .Trash then to delete them directly? |
| 23:39.14 | drantin_away | is kcontrol ever getting a kernel config screen again? |
| 23:39.26 | drantin_away | fek_: until you find out, just shift+del |
| 23:39.47 | Renze | drantin_away: you don't like 'make xconfig' ? :) |
| 23:40.16 | drantin_away | Renze: was just wondering what happened to it... personally i use menuconfig |
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| 23:40.36 | Renze | drantin_away: I guess it was decided that it didn't really belong in kcontrol? |
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| 23:41.13 | drantin_away | fek_: you can see what kcontrol -> kde components -> file manager -> behavior options do... |
| 23:42.00 | stick_guy | I'm using Gentoo, KDE 3.5.2, and I keep getting this error message in Kmail: |
| 23:42.00 | stick_guy | The process for imaps://<hostname> died unexpectedly |
| 23:42.14 | stick_guy | where <hostname> is the name of my internal mail server |
| 23:42.51 | stick_guy | the account type is Disconnected IMAP |
| 23:43.55 | stick_guy | any ideas to fix it? |
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| 23:46.43 | stick_guy | rather, the error is: |
| 23:46.43 | stick_guy | The process for the imaps://<hostname> protocol died unexpectedly |
| 23:48.08 | stick_guy | did I just touch on a taboo subject? :| |
| 23:48.26 | Renze | no, just one that I think all the people that are awake don't know much about :) |
| 23:48.32 | stick_guy | ok :) |
| 23:48.38 | Renze | you could try in #kontact |
| 23:48.47 | stick_guy | damn... I looked for one of those |
| 23:48.49 | stick_guy | thanks :) |
| 23:48.54 | Renze | no problem |
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| 23:53.11 | shevegen | With kcontrol you start the kcontrol application. Ok, but is there a way to directly start a sub-part of kcontrol, like (lets say) ... Kcontrol->Security ? |
| 23:53.49 | Renze | kcmshell <modulename> |
| 23:54.28 | shevegen | cool :) |
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