| 00:00.09 | Renze | they're both movie quotes |
| 00:00.15 | Renze | yay! the bot got k-lined |
| 00:00.35 | AssociateX | installing now |
| 00:01.20 | Renze | lunchtime |
| 00:01.25 | qupada | good idea |
| 00:01.37 | Renze | keep your hands off my lunch! |
| 00:02.15 | kucrut | Renze: tuna? ;-) |
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| 00:04.47 | Renze | kucrut: out of tuna... will have to use something else |
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| 00:07.13 | smileaf | Renze: steak? |
| 00:08.12 | Renze | not a fan of steak... I prefer white meat to red meat |
| 00:08.12 | visik7 | ok KD Executor isn't free |
| 00:08.15 | smileaf | Renze: you've obviously have never cleaned a chicken section. |
| 00:08.30 | Renze | smileaf: I don't kill 'em, I just eat 'em :D |
| 00:08.39 | smileaf | I don't kill 'em either. |
| 00:08.50 | smileaf | I just work 2 days where they sell 'em |
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| 00:09.07 | Renze | chicken flesh is still white rather than dark |
| 00:09.36 | Renze | as is fish... yum... fish... |
| 00:09.36 | smileaf | that chicken section is the reason I *hate* working in the meat department. |
| 00:09.47 | mobtek | are we talking about eating humans again? |
| 00:09.51 | mobtek | 'chicken' |
| 00:09.52 | Renze | smileaf: work in the delicatessen instead |
| 00:10.06 | Renze | mobtek: tastes more like pork |
| 00:10.09 | smileaf | Renze: no thank you. I did that once. |
| 00:10.30 | Renze | smileaf: how about the bakery? |
| 00:10.33 | smileaf | didn't have to cut it tho. just serve it. |
| 00:10.40 | smileaf | Renze: did a day of that also. |
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| 00:10.53 | Renze | no dead animals in the bakery :D |
| 00:11.28 | smileaf | where I work tho.. they don't actually bake anything tho.. well.. they don't mix it up. |
| 00:11.43 | Renze | not a real supermarket bakery then? |
| 00:11.54 | smileaf | it comes premade they just throw it in an oven. |
| 00:12.01 | smileaf | Renze: yep.. it's called wal-mart. |
| 00:12.06 | Renze | ewwww |
| 00:12.12 | smileaf | the supermarket wannabe |
| 00:12.19 | Renze | I'm glad there are no wal-marts in NZ |
| 00:13.00 | smileaf | I wouldn't have gone to wallyworld.. had they not offered me a pay at least $3 more than what I was getting :) |
| 00:14.16 | smileaf | so I work my hours and then complain that they don't know how to run a produce section :) |
| 00:14.46 | Renze | neither does my local supermarket... hardly anything is fresh |
| 00:15.26 | smileaf | ours thinks they can have cut baby carrots in an unrefridgerated section. |
| 00:15.39 | AssociateX | how do I search a site using google, something like "site:www.foo.org something" |
| 00:16.06 | smileaf | he says it helps increase sales. I've yet to see more than 10 packages sell in that spot. |
| 00:16.23 | Renze | marketing people are morons |
| 00:16.30 | Renze | that's a given |
| 00:16.39 | smileaf | true |
| 00:17.21 | Renze | anywho, lunch is not going to make itself :) |
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| 00:17.42 | smileaf | I guess you could argue that we sell maybe 10 and only throw away ~3 per day due to spoilage. |
| 00:17.42 | Renze | although there are days I wish KDE could make pizza :D |
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| 00:20.28 | njdube | Why would Kopete show funny HTML stuff when using the spell checker? |
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| 00:21.23 | njdube | Spell checking works fine in other KDE software like Konv for example. |
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| 00:23.43 | smileaf | njdube: a bug? |
| 00:23.47 | smileaf | njdube: kopete adds the html stuff to stylize your messages |
| 00:23.52 | njdube | I'm using suse 10.0. I used Smart to update to the latest KDE. |
| 00:24.37 | smileaf | njdube: sadly nothing is bug free ;) it's something that only programmers think exist :) |
| 00:25.28 | njdube | I'm running kopete 0.11.3 on KDE 3.5.4 |
| 00:25.31 | Renze | they're not bugs, they're "features" ;) (waiting for water to boil for rice) |
| 00:26.06 | smileaf | ah yes.. it's not a bug.. it's a feature so you can check the spelling of the html code :) |
| 00:26.13 | RockMan | oh no, my app has *a lot* of bugs :) |
| 00:26.34 | smileaf | my app has no bugs ^_^... except 2 unconfirmed. |
| 00:26.51 | njdube | Any way I can fix this? |
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| 00:27.18 | smileaf | I believe turning off the rich text function will fix the spell checker. |
| 00:27.34 | smileaf | you won't be able to customize your messages tho. |
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| 00:28.40 | AssociateX | where is this fixed at ---> kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/Kino.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'video/dv' |
| 00:28.57 | AssociateX | kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/mplayer.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'video/x-quicktime' |
| 00:29.03 | AssociateX | I have a bunch of them |
| 00:29.18 | smileaf | AssociateX: they causing any problems? |
| 00:29.19 | Renze | warnings are not errors... they can be safely ignored |
| 00:29.19 | njdube | I just took a screen shot of the issue. Can I send it to you? |
| 00:29.31 | njdube | And if yes how do you want it sent? |
| 00:29.36 | Renze | njdube: use imageshack.us instead |
| 00:29.42 | AssociateX | smileaf, not that I know of |
| 00:29.49 | smileaf | AssociateX: then ignore them ;) |
| 00:30.16 | AssociateX | probably will do |
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| 00:30.52 | smileaf | AssociateX: it's just there to tell the user/developer they've not defined what those types are. |
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| 00:31.28 | smileaf | now you could create an entry for those if you knew what they were. |
| 00:32.02 | smileaf | but if they are not causing issues then it's a waste of time :) |
| 00:32.10 | AssociateX | smileaf, I will just safely ignore those warnings |
| 00:33.06 | njdube | http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7772/kopetepg4.png |
| 00:34.59 | smileaf | you got a very simular kicker setup. don't see that too often. |
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| 00:35.53 | njdube | Now you can see the problem I'm having with the spell checker. |
| 00:36.03 | smileaf | yah I've seen that plenty of times. |
| 00:36.09 | smileaf | disable your rich text. |
| 00:36.31 | njdube | Also I have the option on in settings for auto spelling checking yet when I open new windows to chat with people it's off and I still have to turn it on manually. |
| 00:36.58 | njdube | How do I disable the rich text? |
| 00:37.14 | smileaf | it's that button right next to your spell checker. |
| 00:37.14 | njdube | Appearance? |
| 00:37.22 | njdube | Oh. |
| 00:38.31 | smileaf | if you notice the spell checker button is grayed out when that is enabled. |
| 00:39.16 | smileaf | they just didn't gray out the menu option :) |
| 00:39.19 | njdube | Am I doing this in a chat window or in Kopete's main settings? |
| 00:39.32 | smileaf | in the chat window |
| 00:39.55 | njdube | Will this change for all or just the person I'm chatting with? |
| 00:40.46 | smileaf | just the person your chatting with |
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| 00:40.52 | njdube | Oh I found it. You meant the buttons at the top of the window. I don't normally pay attention to those. |
| 00:40.59 | smileaf | it seems to save for that person.. but not globaly |
| 00:41.10 | njdube | Usually I right click in the chat box to do stuff. |
| 00:41.24 | smileaf | yah same here |
| 00:41.45 | njdube | I was having problems at first finding it because I was looking for it in the right click box. But I found it now. |
| 00:43.14 | njdube | Any idea if this is a Kopete bug or could it be SUSE related. It would be nice if I had another distro to test this version of kopete on. |
| 00:43.17 | njdube | ? |
| 00:43.29 | smileaf | I'm on gentoo and I get this. |
| 00:45.02 | njdube | I didn't have this issue with the default install of kde on suse 10.0. I also remember back in the day that I used to get issues when updating KDE. The repositories for suse are all differant now do I don't get any issues. Well except Kopete acting goofy every now and then. |
| 00:45.26 | njdube | I mean so I don't not do I don't... typo. |
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| 00:47.09 | njdube | Earlier I was only using google talk on kopete and when I played music in amark it would show it in my status. I added a yahoo and aim account to it and now it's not showing my music in the status. Any idea why it would now show my music in the status any more? |
| 00:48.07 | smileaf | #kopete might be a good place to ask. |
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| 00:54.45 | AssociateX | qupada, that worked, thanks |
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| 00:55.42 | ndl | anyone around? |
| 00:56.15 | smileaf | around what? |
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| 00:56.32 | Renze | I'm kinda round, but I don't like people pointing it out to me :( |
| 00:56.37 | ndl | around to answer a question... :) |
| 00:57.03 | smileaf | Renze: geez you are so fat... :S.. err.. nm |
| 00:57.08 | Renze | don't ask to ask... just ask |
| 00:57.16 | ndl | i got a bit round, but for the last 2 months ive lost 20lbs :) |
| 00:57.29 | Renze | I lost 88lbs over the last 4 years |
| 00:57.37 | smileaf | if you have to ask to ask how can you ask to ask in the first place? :) |
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| 00:58.23 | Renze | 40kg - I hate imperial measurements. when are you Americans going to catch up to the rest of the world? :D |
| 00:58.52 | ndl | i have ksysguard open.... i noticed now that when i opne Firefox or AmaroK, those apps show as 5 instances on ksysguard....all the same size (Mb). is that normal? |
| 00:58.53 | smileaf | Renze: you mean america isn't the majority of the world? |
| 00:58.59 | Renze | smileaf: nope :P |
| 00:59.05 | smileaf | lol |
| 00:59.14 | Renze | ndl: threads |
| 00:59.30 | Renze | not separate processes, just threads |
| 00:59.43 | ndl | so its normal? |
| 00:59.49 | smileaf | yes |
| 01:00.23 | ndl | the case for AmaroK i have 8 instances of it.... |
| 01:00.28 | ndl | hehe |
| 01:00.31 | Renze | threads, not instances |
| 01:00.36 | smileaf | ndl: it does have alot of things :) |
| 01:00.38 | Renze | totally different thing |
| 01:01.12 | ndl | oon Windows, i only see one instance on the taskmanager, so when i spot q prog appearing twice, i know something is wrong... |
| 01:01.25 | Renze | ndl: that's because on windows the threads are hidden from the user |
| 01:01.36 | ndl | oki |
| 01:01.39 | Renze | lots of things are hidden |
| 01:01.51 | ndl | true. many services are hidden |
| 01:02.04 | Renze | the user does not need to know, or something |
| 01:02.10 | Renze | I prefer to know |
| 01:02.32 | smileaf | especially when 1 thread is goofing up :) |
| 01:02.39 | Renze | yup |
| 01:03.08 | ndl | i noticed that my Win2000 runs about 10-20% faster than my Linux.... is there something i could do to speed up my Linux? i already deactivated a lot of the eye-candy stuff of KDE.... |
| 01:03.30 | Renze | ndl: I noticed that linux runs noticeably faster than windows on the same hardware for me |
| 01:03.44 | Renze | even with the eye-candy on |
| 01:04.24 | ndl | hmmmm... sometimes i think im getting this impression (that the Linux box is going slower) from my browsing experience on Firefox....could it be that FF on Linux is slower? |
| 01:04.35 | Renze | FF on linux is slower |
| 01:04.42 | ndl | oh |
| 01:04.52 | Renze | that's why I use konqueror :D |
| 01:04.53 | ndl | for all distros? |
| 01:05.04 | Renze | ndl: I haven't compared across distros |
| 01:05.23 | ndl | yeah, i do like Konq.... any way to make FF's extensions work on Konq? |
| 01:05.27 | smileaf | ndl: if your talking about konqueror vs explorer.. explorer is MUCH more simplistic, likewise with everything else. I've also heard explorer runs in kernel space :/ |
| 01:05.29 | Renze | no |
| 01:05.49 | Renze | that's kinda dangerous, smileaf ;) |
| 01:06.08 | smileaf | Renze: what is? |
| 01:06.16 | Renze | running a browser in kernel space |
| 01:06.24 | smileaf | Renze: I know. |
| 01:06.34 | Renze | stupid microsoft |
| 01:06.35 | ndl | in kernel space meaaning....? its an integral part of the system? if that's waht you meant, i believe youre right. |
| 01:06.55 | Renze | no, in memory reserved exclusively for the core system |
| 01:07.17 | Renze | the vital stuff... web browsing is not vital |
| 01:07.26 | ndl | oh. i dont know enough about such issue to know its dangerous.... |
| 01:08.37 | Renze | stuff the user does should only ever reside in userspace, not kernelspace |
| 01:08.51 | ndl | hey, everytime i type ' followed by s i get an s with the accent on top.... how to fix it? on the KDECC i already selected my kbd layout but in many programs the layout i chose isnt repsected |
| 01:09.05 | ndl | ? |
| 01:09.08 | Renze | ndl: choose the correct variant for your keyboard layout in kcontrol |
| 01:09.09 | smileaf | dead keys? |
| 01:09.17 | ndl | i did it aleady |
| 01:09.28 | ndl | US International |
| 01:09.41 | Renze | the international part is why it's doing that |
| 01:09.52 | ndl | and in many progs, that is respected.... but in some, it comes out wrong |
| 01:10.03 | Renze | that setting is for KDE apps only |
| 01:10.22 | Renze | or rather, some apps ignore the variant |
| 01:10.46 | ndl | under US International, when you type ' followed by a vowel, **then** you get the vowel with the acccent on top. its not supposed to happen to consonants.... |
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| 01:10.54 | ndl | oh |
| 01:11.08 | Renze | bah |
| 01:11.13 | illogic-al | ndl: that depends on the consonant |
| 01:11.21 | Renze | stupid kopete |
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| 01:11.30 | illogic-al | ć for example |
| 01:11.37 | ndl | i know |
| 01:11.38 | Renze | or ç |
| 01:11.47 | Renze | or ñ |
| 01:11.48 | ndl | for vowels im supposed to get accented letter |
| 01:11.53 | ndl | but not for consonant |
| 01:11.53 | illogic-al | Renze: thatÅ› the one i was going for actually :-) |
| 01:12.10 | Renze | illogic-al: compose c , |
| 01:12.19 | ndl | ' + a = á (its ok) |
| 01:12.28 | Renze | á |
| 01:12.44 | ndl | but '+ s should result in --> 's |
| 01:12.45 | Renze | doesn't happen for s for me |
| 01:12.58 | Renze | me types compose ' s, and gets nothing |
| 01:13.06 | ndl | US International doesnt use ? |
| 01:13.23 | Renze | I use U.S. English, variant default |
| 01:13.25 | ndl | i dont know why many of my apps arent obeying KDE s l;ayout |
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| 01:13.45 | ndl | but i need the international sometimes.... coz i speak Portuguese too |
| 01:13.54 | Renze | that's why I set a compose key |
| 01:13.57 | Renze | right alt |
| 01:14.02 | ndl | i need the accented Latin vowels |
| 01:14.06 | Renze | I tap that, then type the keys for the accent |
| 01:14.12 | Renze | é |
| 01:14.14 | Renze | like that |
| 01:14.23 | ndl | let me try your idea.... |
| 01:14.25 | Renze | otherwise the keys act as normal: 'e |
| 01:14.26 | ndl | hold on |
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| 01:15.14 | Renze | ndl: you set the compose key location under Xkb Options tab |
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| 01:16.53 | ndl | O.o that tab looks crazy....what am i supposed to change? |
| 01:17.18 | mobtek | heh yeah that is a full on dialog ;) |
| 01:17.21 | Renze | scroll down to Compose Key Location, and set Right Alt is Compose. |
| 01:17.27 | Renze | that's it |
| 01:17.30 | Renze | simple. |
| 01:17.51 | Renze | er, Compose Key Position* |
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| 01:18.38 | Renze | hmmm... there is a Caps Lock is Compose option... I might use that instead - I never use Caps Lock |
| 01:18.55 | ndl | what "compose" means? |
| 01:19.01 | positivo | ola |
| 01:19.10 | Renze | it is for "compose"ing accented characters |
| 01:19.20 | ndl | i did what you said but i would never be able to figure that out on my own.... |
| 01:19.34 | positivo | renze esse e o seu nome verdadeiro ou naum |
| 01:19.36 | Renze | ndl: it took me about a minute to figure out :) |
| 01:19.47 | Renze | positivo: I do not speak portuguese |
| 01:20.11 | ndl | "compose" reminds me of music or email.... i would never associate it to accents.... |
| 01:20.22 | positivo | ok wat's your name |
| 01:20.26 | Renze | ndl: guess I'm just a geek :) |
| 01:20.36 | ndl | likely :D |
| 01:20.36 | Renze | positivo: my name is Renze |
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| 01:21.31 | ndl | "right Alt is Compose", right? |
| 01:21.37 | ndl | active |
| 01:21.40 | Renze | if you want to use right alt, tes |
| 01:21.41 | Renze | yes* |
| 01:21.46 | positivo | you are woman the man |
| 01:21.51 | Renze | I just changed mine to use caps lock :D |
| 01:21.56 | Renze | positivo: man |
| 01:22.04 | Renze | positivo: this is not a dating channel |
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| 01:23.18 | ndl | pfft. i cant get it to work. ALT makes no diff |
| 01:23.36 | Renze | tap right alt, then tap ' then tap e |
| 01:23.40 | Renze | do not hold it down |
| 01:23.46 | ndl | oki |
| 01:23.52 | ndl | oh |
| 01:23.55 | ndl | cool |
| 01:23.56 | Renze | compose s s = ß |
| 01:24.06 | Renze | compose s o = § |
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| 01:24.15 | Renze | compose L - = £ |
| 01:24.18 | ndl | i had forgotten something essential.... to press APPLY on the KDECC window :-P |
| 01:24.26 | Renze | ndl: d'oh! |
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| 01:25.01 | ndl | now a question that might not be kde-related |
| 01:25.24 | ndl | i cant get my freaking FF to play the web videos from CNN, Reuters and etc.... |
| 01:25.31 | positivo | wat city maration |
| 01:25.46 | Renze | install a multimedia plugin for FF... like modplugger or mplayerplug-in |
| 01:26.02 | Renze | positivo: Wellington, New Zealand |
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| 01:26.17 | Renze | positivo: if you don't have any KDE related questions, could you please go elsewhere? |
| 01:26.28 | positivo | do not |
| 01:27.28 | Renze | ndl: oops, mozplugger :D |
| 01:27.57 | ndl | i tried mplayerplug-in yest.... i only got the msgs " buffering....", "connecting...", |
| 01:28.15 | ndl | gonna try it now |
| 01:28.16 | Renze | ndl: mozplugger might work better for you. I couldn't get mplayerplug-in to work either |
| 01:28.33 | kucrut | why not konqi + kmplayer |
| 01:28.34 | kucrut | ?? |
| 01:28.37 | Mirrakor | HELP! |
| 01:28.39 | Mirrakor | HELP! :D |
| 01:28.51 | Renze | that's what I use, kucrut... but occasionally a site needs ff |
| 01:28.57 | ndl | kucrut: how does that kombination work? |
| 01:29.04 | positivo | can help renze |
| 01:29.25 | Renze | ndl: kmplayer supplies a kpart that konqueror can embed in web pages |
| 01:29.34 | kucrut | Renze: use browser identification |
| 01:29.42 | Renze | kucrut: doesn't always work |
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| 01:30.16 | kucrut | bug konqi + (k)mplayer devs :D |
| 01:30.22 | ndl | ok, so which method should i try?mozplugger or konq+kmplayer? |
| 01:30.28 | Renze | it's bad webpage design |
| 01:30.44 | Renze | ndl: I use konq+kmplayer |
| 01:30.52 | kucrut | ndl: gimme the link, i wanna try it here |
| 01:31.07 | ndl | which link? |
| 01:31.19 | kucrut | CNN? |
| 01:31.26 | Renze | I don't have any links... I don't remember them :) |
| 01:31.38 | ndl | ok. hold on |
| 01:32.56 | ndl | http://www.cnn.com/ ---> below the "latest news" column (on the top) there are several vids. the first is "thailand airport". try that |
| 01:33.17 | ndl | easy to spot |
| 01:33.51 | ndl | installing the mozplugger thru synaptic now.... |
| 01:34.45 | kucrut | k |
| 01:34.51 | positivo | bye bye |
| 01:35.17 | positivo | kisess your |
| 01:37.04 | positivo | bye bye |
| 01:38.17 | ndl | "Tranfering data from dynamic.cnn.com...." |
| 01:38.22 | ndl | nothing plays |
| 01:38.34 | ndl | similar result to mplayerplugin :( |
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| 01:39.58 | Renze | ndl: works in konq+kmplayer |
| 01:40.19 | Renze | watching it now |
| 01:40.22 | ndl | how do i get this kombination to work? |
| 01:40.28 | Renze | you install kmplayer |
| 01:40.32 | ndl | ok |
| 01:40.39 | ndl | working on it now |
| 01:40.55 | Komsip | works better with konq+kmplayer that i just compiled today than the real windows meadia player |
| 01:40.59 | Komsip | and ie |
| 01:41.03 | ndl | hey, i just read somewhere that Adobe will finally release a version 9 of Flash player for Linux |
| 01:41.05 | Renze | I had to click past the "cannot determine windows media player version" first :D |
| 01:41.09 | Komsip | i never get embetted videos to work |
| 01:41.17 | Komsip | in windows with media player |
| 01:41.26 | Komsip | kmplayer is real good |
| 01:41.29 | Renze | yup |
| 01:41.41 | Renze | video just finished... not a problem |
| 01:41.52 | Komsip | wow so good picture |
| 01:42.08 | Komsip | i'm on a slow slow adsl line out in the woods 3 miles from nearest neighbour |
| 01:42.18 | Renze | I'm on medium speed cable |
| 01:42.20 | Komsip | so sharp image |
| 01:42.21 | Renze | 4mbit |
| 01:42.35 | Komsip | I am at my parents place |
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| 01:42.39 | ndl | i wish i could get it to work on FF.... :( but better than nothing |
| 01:42.50 | Renze | ff is lame... admit it :D |
| 01:42.51 | Komsip | at home i have 10 mbit for almost free |
| 01:43.02 | Komsip | can't run FF on this computer |
| 01:43.09 | Komsip | FF eats memory like crazy |
| 01:43.12 | Renze | yup |
| 01:43.14 | Renze | it's a hog |
| 01:43.16 | Komsip | and renders pages too slow |
| 01:43.24 | Komsip | specially big ones |
| 01:43.35 | Komsip | or when there is too much history |
| 01:43.41 | Komsip | specially file download history |
| 01:43.57 | Komsip | when ever there is more than like 20 files in the file download manager in FF it goes extremely slow |
| 01:44.15 | Komsip | i don't understand what that is about |
| 01:44.23 | ndl | i installed kmplay |
| 01:44.27 | ndl | what next? |
| 01:44.35 | ndl | just browse to the page with Konq? |
| 01:44.44 | Komsip | yeah is it's configured right |
| 01:44.50 | Komsip | and you ahve the right codecs |
| 01:44.50 | ndl | i just tried it and got a " player not detected" |
| 01:45.02 | ndl | i got the win32codecs |
| 01:45.16 | Komsip | i don't know if the precompiled ones find the codecs correctly |
| 01:45.22 | ndl | ohh |
| 01:45.25 | Renze | I assume you have mplayer or xine installed for kmplayer to use? |
| 01:45.29 | Komsip | i haven't tried it |
| 01:45.42 | Renze | I don't use precompiled anything, if I can avoid it |
| 01:46.12 | Komsip | i use it a lot but for this thing there is just so much that has to be in the right place and has to be referred to the right places |
| 01:46.16 | Komsip | so much interactions |
| 01:46.46 | Komsip | if you want all functions |
| 01:47.10 | Komsip | with mplayer and xine libs and ffmpeg and lame and everything |
| 01:47.29 | Komsip | and the newest qt and real media codecs |
| 01:47.40 | Renze | that's why decent dependency tracking in your package manager is vitally important |
| 01:48.12 | Komsip | and the real media codecs won't even get found correctly by xine |
| 01:48.37 | Komsip | it looks in the wrong places so you have to make some symlinks to where it looks from where they actually are |
| 01:49.47 | Komsip | also since it's hardware acceleration dependent i'd like it to know exactly how to compile for MY computer, when it comes to rendering video and all that |
| 01:49.53 | Komsip | I ahve an old machine |
| 01:50.01 | Komsip | at my parents place |
| 01:50.36 | ndl | so i need: mplayer, xine, realcodecs, win32codecs and kmplayer installed in order to get it to work? what a marathon :-/ |
| 01:50.43 | Komsip | yeah |
| 01:50.47 | Komsip | xine-libs |
| 01:50.53 | Renze | well, mplayer OR xine-libs |
| 01:50.59 | Komsip | yeah |
| 01:51.02 | ndl | i guess i have both |
| 01:51.04 | Komsip | i'd recommend both though |
| 01:51.10 | ndl | for sure i have mplayer |
| 01:51.11 | Renze | ndl: if Synaptics was a decent package manager, it should have done all that for you |
| 01:51.12 | shining | Renze: me it's exactly the opposite. I don't compile when I can avoid it |
| 01:51.22 | ndl | thats waht i guessed |
| 01:51.29 | Renze | guess it's not decent |
| 01:51.36 | ndl | i might hav it all |
| 01:51.41 | ndl | lemme check |
| 01:51.56 | Komsip | I don't compile when i can avoid it either, only when there is something that is very dependent on what my specific computer is |
| 01:52.01 | shining | Renze: .. |
| 01:52.13 | shining | Renze: these codecs are full patented shit |
| 01:52.30 | Renze | shining: yes, but if you want to view certain formats of video, there is no other way |
| 01:52.32 | shining | if synaptic don't install them, it's better |
| 01:52.42 | ndl | libxine1 and xine-plugins |
| 01:52.51 | ndl | i got em |
| 01:53.03 | Renze | shining: you have problems with commercial software? |
| 01:53.37 | Komsip | real media format is very much used |
| 01:53.38 | ndl | installing xine-win32 now.... might make a diff |
| 01:53.41 | shining | debian has and I like it that way |
| 01:53.46 | ndl | installing xine-win32 now.... might make a diff |
| 01:53.49 | ndl | ooops |
| 01:53.50 | Renze | shining: these codecs are distributed free for windows... why shouldn't we use them? |
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| 01:54.13 | Renze | shining: you have issues, man |
| 01:55.04 | ndl | screw the corporations. they only have the interest of their sahre-holder in mind. noone else |
| 01:55.06 | ndl | well |
| 01:55.08 | ndl | i gotta go |
| 01:55.12 | ndl | dinner time |
| 01:55.20 | Komsip | real media often used by radio stations and tv stations, if i want to see swedish or norwegian public service tv or public service radio (there's never any good on commercial tv and radio stations) i need real media or windows media formats |
| 01:55.43 | ndl | i hope i can mke my browser play videos... i'll try again later. if i cant make them work, i'll come back here |
| 01:55.51 | ndl | thx, guys for the help. :) |
| 01:56.08 | Renze | ndl: no problem |
| 01:56.34 | Komsip | kmplayer comes with a fun bookmark list with radio and tv stations from all the world |
| 01:56.43 | Komsip | you can watch dutch or chinese tv |
| 01:56.45 | Komsip | or radio |
| 01:56.51 | Komsip | or any country almost |
| 01:56.52 | Renze | it doesn't have any from NZ :( |
| 01:58.02 | Komsip | they should have the houdou-5 daily north korean news tv rip , they are funny |
| 01:58.28 | Komsip | some japanese guy puts out daily recorded north korean tv news |
| 01:58.42 | Komsip | i dont know if they do anymore |
| 01:58.47 | Komsip | it's kinda funny and bizarre |
| 01:59.26 | Renze | north korea is kinda funny and bizarre :D |
| 01:59.54 | Komsip | I collect north korean things |
| 02:00.10 | Renze | got any kim jong il dinner plates? :D |
| 02:00.14 | Komsip | videos and musics and radio recordings and objecs i get hold of |
| 02:00.44 | Komsip | there is a japanese guy who has a big database of north korean mp3s |
| 02:01.02 | Komsip | i don't know how to do korean input in linux |
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| 02:01.10 | Komsip | otherwise i'd search |
| 02:01.20 | Renze | you might need scim (and skim) |
| 02:01.42 | Komsip | i haven't tried any east asian input systems for linux |
| 02:02.10 | Komsip | scim ok |
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| 02:44.38 | Bearcat | hey folks, i have something i'd like to fix. i changed something a year or so ago in my gnupgp setup, such that kde gives me a X drawn dialog for entering in my passphrase instead of a qt/kde dialog. I have looked though my configs and can't find what i changed. |
| 02:44.41 | Bearcat | any ideas? |
| 02:44.57 | mokkan | hey, im having some problems with ark... whenever i try to add files to this zip archive, it says "error: could not start a subprocess"... anyone know whats up? |
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| 02:47.35 | Dhraakellian | okay, I'm experimenting with my mom's Mac keyboard |
| 02:48.11 | Bearcat | Dhraakellian: just clean it off after your done, :P |
| 02:48.21 | mokkan | you sick bastard :o |
| 02:48.28 | Bearcat | O.o |
| 02:48.30 | Bearcat | where?! |
| 02:48.35 | mokkan | :) |
| 02:48.39 | Bearcat | *looks under the couch* |
| 02:49.15 | Dhraakellian | is there a way to configure it so that the help key acts like ins, and the F13-F15 block acts like the corresponding block on the normal PC keyboard? |
| 02:49.34 | Renze | xmodmap? |
| 02:49.38 | Dhraakellian | and how would I configure the volume keys |
| 02:50.45 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 02:51.04 | Dhraakellian | help to ins is probably the most urgent one for me |
| 02:51.28 | Bearcat | Dhraakellian: well first of all you need to make sure what the keys report to the system |
| 02:51.46 | Dhraakellian | since I use ctrl+ins, shift+ins, and shift+del for clipboard manipulation |
| 02:51.48 | Dhraakellian | okay |
| 02:52.02 | Bearcat | if you run a progam called xkbevd and press keys it will give you the keycodes |
| 02:52.18 | Bearcat | then in the kde control center you can set the keys upto do what you want |
| 02:52.29 | Dhraakellian | not found |
| 02:52.56 | Bearcat | if yo don't see a responce from xkbevd then the computer is not getting that keystroke |
| 02:53.05 | Bearcat | xkbevd |
| 02:53.38 | Dhraakellian | /bin/bash: xkbevd: command not found |
| 02:53.45 | Bearcat | it should be part of xorg or its it's own package if you use xorg-modular |
| 02:53.55 | Bearcat | your distro may package it separately |
| 02:54.23 | Dhraakellian | keyword masked |
| 02:54.23 | Dhraakellian | hrm |
| 02:54.31 | Renze | xev does the same thing |
| 02:54.54 | Dhraakellian | okay, that's not masked at all |
| 02:55.12 | Dhraakellian | -e |
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| 02:56.22 | Bearcat | oh, yeah it was xev i was thinking of. What is xkbevd then? |
| 03:00.08 | Renze | Bearcat: no idea |
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| 03:53.03 | _root | why do I get error "Protocol not supported" when downloading from KLIK? |
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| 03:54.01 | kjelderg | anyone recommend a newsgroup reader? |
| 03:54.15 | kjelderg | (ideally with multipart support) |
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| 04:01.05 | Ardonik | kjelderg: klibido isn't a news reader -- it's more of a leecher. |
| 04:01.10 | Ardonik | But it does have multipart support. |
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| 04:01.24 | kjelderg | hmm... |
| 04:01.32 | Ardonik | KNode is fine as a news reader in all other aspects (well, no yEnc support, I think?) |
| 04:01.34 | kjelderg | I do more reading that leeching, but I guess I could try to use two |
| 04:01.43 | kjelderg | yeah, I'm using knode currently |
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| 04:01.55 | Renze | I haven't read the newsgroups in years |
| 04:01.57 | Ardonik | I'd rather use gnus. |
| 04:02.05 | kjelderg | gnus? |
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| 04:02.19 | Ardonik | Gnus. The emacs built-in newsreader. It's actually extraordinarily powerful. |
| 04:02.32 | Ardonik | Easily better than KNode. |
| 04:02.45 | Renze | is it as user-friendly? :D |
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| 04:03.16 | Ardonik | If you read the docs. If your definition of "user-friendly" excludes the possibility to reading documentation, then no |
| 04:03.25 | Renze | hehehe :D |
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| 04:04.24 | kjelderg | hmm, but I'd have to use emacs :p |
| 04:05.01 | Renze | emacs - the OS wannabe :D |
| 04:05.01 | kjelderg | if only it included a good editor :p |
| 04:05.02 | Renze | haha :D |
| 04:06.12 | Ardonik | We've been through this before. |
| 04:06.28 | Ardonik | People keep saying that as if emacs sucks as an editor. It doesn't--it's the best editor I've ever used. |
| 04:06.48 | Ardonik | Hooray for flamewars and cliches. |
| 04:07.47 | kjelderg | Ardonik: that's the recurring theme of OSS, no? |
| 04:08.35 | kjelderg | I work on linux 8 - 6 and have to hear them talk about its superiority vs. everything and then come home and sit on ##freebsd to hear how bad linux is |
| 04:08.39 | kjelderg | it's great times |
| 04:09.39 | Renze | I just use what I like and ignore everybody else ;) |
| 04:10.00 | kjelderg | it's fun to roll up the sleeves and sling mud just like everyone else |
| 04:10.55 | Renze | I only sling mud at microsoft |
| 04:12.06 | kjelderg | why at them? |
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| 04:12.14 | Renze | why not? |
| 04:12.26 | dan | i'm having a problem logging in to my |
| 04:12.29 | dan | oops |
| 04:12.34 | dan | let me finish that |
| 04:12.50 | kjelderg | I usually think of that the other way, where one slings mud for a reason, not slings mud unless there's a reason |
| 04:13.50 | dan | i'm having a problem logging in to my user with kde. I type in my username and password (and i know that i typesd it in right- it worked in the console) but when it looks like it's about to log me in, it brings me back to the login screen. Anyone have any idea what is wrong? |
| 04:15.16 | kjelderg | try moving your .kde directory out-of-the-way just in case? |
| 04:15.43 | Renze | kjelderg: there isn't a reason to sling mud at microsoft? since when? :D |
| 04:16.00 | kjelderg | Renze: that's why I was asking why... |
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| 04:16.10 | Renze | kjelderg: the list is too long :D |
| 04:16.14 | kjelderg | oh |
| 04:16.19 | kjelderg | what's the top item on it? |
| 04:16.31 | Renze | producing sub-standard software |
| 04:16.56 | kjelderg | umm... |
| 04:17.06 | kjelderg | they do have microsoft office |
| 04:17.09 | kjelderg | which has excel |
| 04:17.15 | kjelderg | so it's at least hit-and-miss |
| 04:17.33 | Renze | I don't see your point |
| 04:17.49 | kjelderg | well, that at least some of their software is not "sub-standard" |
| 04:18.05 | Renze | I guess perception differs |
| 04:18.06 | kjelderg | really microsoft office, even as a whole, is the industry standard |
| 04:18.23 | Renze | only because microsoft enforce it |
| 04:18.41 | kjelderg | right ... but if it is the standard, it is (by definition) not sub-standard |
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| 04:18.50 | Renze | I'm talking quality |
| 04:19.04 | kjelderg | I'd say in quality it's still better than its competition there |
| 04:19.29 | kjelderg | Sun's staroffice, Lotus, openoffice, even koffice lacking in features and some stability |
| 04:19.41 | kjelderg | though I like koffice more because it's fast enough for me |
| 04:19.57 | kjelderg | (I don't have much need of highly featureful editors in my line of work) |
| 04:20.15 | Renze | I have no need for office apps at all |
| 04:20.34 | Renze | writing code in Word would just be silly |
| 04:21.28 | kjelderg | that's true |
| 04:21.33 | kjelderg | I'm more a vimite myself |
| 04:21.41 | JohnMS | Renze: but clippy could help you. :) |
| 04:21.44 | kjelderg | microsoft also has the visual studio, which is a pretty decent IDE |
| 04:21.57 | Renze | clippy is teh eeeeevil!!! |
| 04:22.13 | Renze | kjelderg: I'm a vimite too, when in console |
| 04:22.47 | JohnMS | kjelderg: I love KDevelop. |
| 04:22.49 | kjelderg | not exactly a microsoft fanboy or anything but ... I wouldn't say that their products are substandard when in a large number of cases they are in quality, feature, and popularity the standard |
| 04:22.56 | Renze | thankfully I don't have to code for winblows |
| 04:22.58 | kjelderg | JohnMS: I've been meaning to try that sometime |
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| 04:23.09 | kjelderg | JohnMS: I'd love to play with kiten in it |
| 04:23.14 | jose1711 | George: hi, are you there? |
| 04:23.17 | kjelderg | JohnMS: is there still a mantained vim kpart? |
| 04:23.44 | kjelderg | Renze: same here. though I am stuck in linux at work :( |
| 04:23.49 | JohnMS | kjelderg: Not that I know, it was shifted to some other project. |
| 04:23.57 | kjelderg | yzis |
| 04:24.13 | JohnMS | kjelderg: That's the one. |
| 04:24.40 | Renze | kjelderg: the only reason microsoft office is the "standard" is because Microsoft forces retailers to sell computers with Windows preinstalled if they want to sell any other MS products |
| 04:24.42 | kjelderg | yeah, I did some work to port that at some point |
| 04:25.09 | kjelderg | Renze: but at the time (and debatably even now) it was the best option ... if you overlook the dangers and hazards of vendor lock-in |
| 04:25.34 | Renze | no, at the time, I'd say MacOS was the better option :D |
| 04:25.56 | Renze | or AmigaOS |
| 04:26.15 | Renze | or Unix |
| 04:26.32 | kjelderg | well, the two weren't mutually exclusive then (macos and microsoft office) and the alternative in macland was clarisworks |
| 04:26.36 | kjelderg | which is not as good as MS office |
| 04:27.26 | Renze | your definition of "good" confuses me |
| 04:27.36 | Renze | yeah, I like my office apps to crash often |
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| 04:28.01 | kjelderg | it generally revolves around the ability to get ones job done in the fastest/easiest way possible |
| 04:28.05 | Renze | yeah, I like the annoying paperclip to make my decisions for me |
| 04:28.25 | kjelderg | the paperclip is a feature that can be disabled... |
| 04:28.43 | Renze | it should be disabled by default, or better yet removed completely |
| 04:28.59 | kjelderg | that is your opinion ... |
| 04:29.08 | Renze | they should put a great big "I'm a moron" button in the corner to enable all the crap |
| 04:29.09 | dansushi | i'm having a problem logging in to my user with kde. I type in my username and password (and i know that i typesd it in right- it worked in the console) but when it looks like it's about to log me in, it brings me back to the login screen. Anyone have any idea what is wrong? |
| 04:29.14 | kjelderg | theirs was (as kde's is) to err on the side of too much help presented that can be disabled |
| 04:29.24 | JohnMS | Renze: My grandma use to love talking to Clippy. :) |
| 04:29.32 | Renze | kjelderg: I've never had any issues with kde's default settings |
| 04:29.39 | kjelderg | I've met a fair few people who like clippy |
| 04:29.56 | kjelderg | Renze: right ... I'm just saying it also brings up help that isn't needed by the advanced user by default |
| 04:30.01 | kjelderg | not saying it's a good or bad thing |
| 04:30.05 | kjelderg | it just exists |
| 04:30.16 | JohnMS | Of course now my Grandmother uses KOffice. :) |
| 04:30.22 | Renze | ...and has a "do not show this again" option right there |
| 04:30.31 | kjelderg | JohnMS: cool stuff :) |
| 04:30.36 | kjelderg | JohnMS: any usability issues? |
| 04:30.54 | kjelderg | JohnMS: I often hear people say that the OSS desktops are "harder to learn" but haven't found it to be that way myself |
| 04:31.14 | kjelderg | Renze: clippy (if you click on him) has a don't show clippy option at first |
| 04:31.19 | JohnMS | kjelderg: The only problem she had was once she had KWord open to a blank document, no text frame. |
| 04:31.22 | kjelderg | and then again on and off ... I don't know the rule for it |
| 04:31.32 | Renze | kjelderg: if you like microsoft stuff so much, why are you using open source software? |
| 04:31.44 | kjelderg | Renze: I don't recall saying I liked it so much ... |
| 04:31.52 | Renze | kjelderg: it sure sounds like it |
| 04:32.10 | kjelderg | Renze: mostly pointing out that your argument that MS only produces sub-standard software may not be very clear-cut |
| 04:32.18 | kjelderg | JohnMS: huh, that would be confusing |
| 04:32.30 | kjelderg | JohnMS: a bug or some intended behaviour that she wasn't expecting? |
| 04:32.41 | Renze | kjelderg: ok, prepend all my statements with "in my opinion" because I really don't care about anybody else's :D |
| 04:32.46 | JohnMS | kjelderg: But then I showed her how to use frames, and now she sends out a monthly newsletter. LOL |
| 04:33.00 | kjelderg | that's super-cool |
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| 04:34.00 | kjelderg | (I should get back to working on kiten at some point ... wish the day job didn't sap so much out of me) |
| 04:34.16 | Renze | kjelderg: caffeine is your friend |
| 04:34.25 | kjelderg | Renze: trying to avoid it ... |
| 04:34.32 | kjelderg | hoping to "become healthy" |
| 04:34.46 | kjelderg | up to 4 hours of tennis a day or so and only occasional soda |
| 04:34.52 | kjelderg | no other caffeine sources |
| 04:34.55 | Renze | then you need some low G.I. carbs |
| 04:35.06 | Renze | about lunchtime |
| 04:35.24 | kjelderg | at the end of tennis I'm usually pretty drained :p |
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| 04:37.27 | kjelderg | I should try the south beach ... it's based around the low-gi idea, right? |
| 04:37.32 | kjelderg | (seems that was the right name for it) |
| 04:37.39 | Renze | I believe so, yes |
| 04:38.01 | Renze | I just eat less and exercise more... seems to work, albeit slower |
| 04:38.03 | kjelderg | I'm not usually a fan of modifying my diet much but I really should get to love foods that are better for me |
| 04:38.36 | kjelderg | normally I just don't worry at all ... but my dad passed away this spring and has me thinking I should probably mind my health |
| 04:42.09 | kjelderg | ooh, white rice appears to be low G.I. |
| 04:42.13 | kjelderg | that will be useful :) |
| 04:42.21 | Renze | not all brands... check the pack when you buy |
| 04:42.37 | Renze | not all types* |
| 04:42.37 | kjelderg | big bag of regular white rice from japan |
| 04:42.45 | Renze | yeah, that'll do |
| 04:42.54 | Renze | jasmine rice from thailand is higher G.I. |
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| 04:47.08 | johnny69 | What directory does Kopete keep the little smileys you see on the screen? |
| 04:47.23 | kjelderg | the emoticons? |
| 04:47.33 | Renze | $KDEDIR/share/emoticons/<themename> |
| 04:47.47 | Renze | or ~/.kde/share/emoticons/<themename> |
| 04:48.31 | johnny69 | Renze: Thanks. Yeah, I should have said emoticons. |
| 04:48.39 | Renze | no problem |
| 04:50.09 | johnny69 | Renze: One more question please.... I see they are all .gif format. Will it accept any other? .jpg .svg etc? |
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| 04:50.32 | Renze | bitmaps only, I believe... .gif .jpg .png |
| 04:50.36 | Renze | no .svg |
| 04:51.15 | johnny69 | oh ok. |
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| 04:56.26 | qupada | what's the dcop command to start the screensaver again? |
| 04:57.06 | Renze | dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock |
| 04:57.21 | qupada | thankyou very muchly |
| 04:58.08 | Renze | no problem :) |
| 04:58.42 | mobtek | wow xgl is really arse |
| 04:59.12 | Renze | what kind of arse? |
| 04:59.34 | mobtek | I won't go into that kekeke |
| 04:59.46 | Renze | hairy? smelly? |
| 05:00.00 | mobtek | that was weird I had to actually delete the Xgl startup line in kdmrc instead of just commenting it out |
| 05:00.11 | mobtek | Renze: it's damn slow is what it is |
| 05:00.17 | Renze | yup |
| 05:00.22 | mobtek | compiz is rather crap imho |
| 05:00.38 | mobtek | but the guys in xgl gentoo chan are great hehe |
| 05:00.49 | mobtek | can't wait for aigl |
| 05:01.02 | Renze | my chroot test install won't update unless there are 3d effects happening |
| 05:01.11 | mobtek | or whatever it's called the one zack ruskin is working on |
| 05:01.33 | Renze | AIGLX |
| 05:02.04 | kjelderg | xgl .... fun times |
| 05:03.02 | mobtek | heh crappy slow fun time varity hour ;) |
| 05:03.18 | Renze | "do not taunt happy fun ball" |
| 05:03.28 | kjelderg | huh, was pretty fast here |
| 05:03.32 | kjelderg | Renze: you have a happy fun ball?! |
| 05:03.33 | mobtek | fair enough I only have a ti4200 but man gconf and compiz were so busy maxxing out the cpu it didn't matter what kind of card I had :) |
| 05:03.43 | Renze | kjelderg: no, I taunted mine |
| 05:03.50 | kjelderg | Renze: oops |
| 05:04.00 | kjelderg | mobtek: I think I have a 7600 or so |
| 05:04.06 | mobtek | kjelderg: yeah the effects were very fast when gconf and compiz weren't going nuts hehe |
| 05:04.13 | kjelderg | oh, I see |
| 05:04.18 | kjelderg | yeah, they didn't go nuts for me |
| 05:04.21 | kjelderg | just worked |
| 05:04.27 | mobtek | well I use to get >100 fps on cs:s on this box hehe |
| 05:04.37 | mobtek | I'm just lucky hehe |
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| 05:04.47 | mobtek | should handle xgl fine |
| 05:04.56 | kjelderg | at CS...memories |
| 05:05.03 | mobtek | hehe |
| 05:05.05 | kjelderg | been ages since I was a CT with a deagle |
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| 05:05.28 | mobtek | heh I actually reinstalled it on the other workstation last week |
| 05:05.29 | mobtek | heheh |
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| 05:09.30 | johnny69 | Well, I was thinking I could just "drop" the appropriate .jpg/.gif etc in the directory and it would show up in the list of emoticons. It looks like there is a file in that directory as well called, .DS_store Perhaps that's an index for the emoticons? If so, anyone know how t create/edit this file? |
| 05:09.49 | Renze | .DS_store is a mac thing, I believe |
| 05:10.03 | Renze | there should be an .xml file in there... edit that |
| 05:11.46 | johnny69 | hmmm, I imported the emoticon "theme". perhaps that's where the .DS file came from |
| 05:12.00 | Renze | probably made by a mac user |
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| 05:59.20 | JohnMS | cough |
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| 06:01.41 | odla | i have a strange debian error that i'm hoping someone can help me wtih |
| 06:01.51 | Renze | try #debian |
| 06:01.51 | odla | A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal") |
| 06:02.02 | odla | it says that when i try to plug in my usb device |
| 06:02.17 | odla | no one is active in #debian-kde and no one is answering in #debian |
| 06:02.29 | odla | it pertains to kde as i'm running kde 3.5.4 on debian |
| 06:02.45 | Renze | I've never experienced that error, so I have no idea where to start to try and fix it |
| 06:02.52 | odla | ok |
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| 06:03.06 | odla | i might just wait till tomorrow morning when #debian-kde becomes active |
| 06:03.10 | Renze | it's definitely a dbus error, however |
| 06:03.15 | odla | yeah |
| 06:03.22 | Renze | did you try in #dbus ? |
| 06:03.39 | odla | no |
| 06:03.55 | odla | ok |
| 06:04.18 | kucrut | odla: upgrade your hal/dbus |
| 06:04.28 | kucrut | it happened to me few days ago |
| 06:04.35 | odla | on testing? |
| 06:04.43 | kucrut | nah, i'm on gentoo :P |
| 06:04.46 | odla | :) |
| 06:04.48 | odla | ok |
| 06:04.49 | Renze | so am I |
| 06:04.59 | kucrut | Renze: he didnt ask you :P |
| 06:05.04 | Renze | never used anything debian or debian-based |
| 06:05.21 | kucrut | awwww |
| 06:05.25 | odla | i ran gentoo for a while it took me like 40 hours to compile kde on my computer :p |
| 06:05.31 | Renze | I'm on gentoo and I didn't get the error... what am I doing right? :D |
| 06:05.41 | odla | friggin' celeron :) |
| 06:05.50 | kucrut | Renze: you unmask kde, dbus and hal |
| 06:05.58 | Renze | oh, that would be it :D |
| 06:06.07 | Renze | stable, my ass :D |
| 06:06.54 | kucrut | odla: watching flying texts is more fun than watching american idol |
| 06:07.04 | Renze | that's a given |
| 06:07.06 | odla | american idol sucks |
| 06:07.13 | Renze | reality TV sucks |
| 06:07.15 | odla | though it's better than canadian idol |
| 06:07.30 | odla | you know...why watch reality tv when you can live reality? |
| 06:07.45 | Renze | just look out the window... hey! reality! |
| 06:08.00 | kucrut | nah, look in the mirror!!! :P |
| 06:08.05 | Renze | too scary |
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| 06:09.26 | benJIman | there's a fair amount of good TV on atm |
| 06:09.48 | benJIman | stargate, prison break starts today, BSG starts again soon |
| 06:10.00 | Renze | maybe on your TV network |
| 06:10.11 | benJIman | to the torrentmobile |
| 06:10.19 | Renze | I have a monthly cap |
| 06:10.28 | benJIman | get another ISP? |
| 06:10.37 | Renze | all ISPs in NZ have monthly caps |
| 06:10.39 | kucrut | prison break++ |
| 06:10.40 | benJIman | I have monthly cap actually |
| 06:10.43 | XVampireX | Get another ISP |
| 06:10.55 | benJIman | but 20gb is enough for me on my own |
| 06:10.55 | Renze | XVampireX: see above |
| 06:11.20 | XVampireX | Move country |
| 06:11.26 | Renze | XVampireX: you paying? |
| 06:11.52 | XVampireX | Maybe later |
| 06:12.50 | Renze | I already live in the nicest country in the world |
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| 06:14.12 | XVampireX | Renze: I live in israel, so what? :) |
| 06:14.22 | Moobyfr | where p2p is illegal now |
| 06:14.28 | Renze | I'm sorry for you |
| 06:14.30 | XVampireX | If I told you I have to go, you wouldn't believe me |
| 06:14.31 | Moobyfr | even for non compirighed maretials |
| 06:14.39 | Moobyfr | copyrighted |
| 06:14.49 | XVampireX | LOL |
| 06:14.58 | Renze | I wouldn't want to live in such a hate-filled country |
| 06:15.09 | XVampireX | Which country? |
| 06:15.13 | Renze | Israel |
| 06:15.17 | XVampireX | I don't hate anyone |
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| 06:15.27 | XVampireX | Why hate filled? |
| 06:15.28 | Renze | israelis hate palestinians |
| 06:15.30 | XVampireX | You been here before? |
| 06:15.37 | Renze | I see it on the news every night |
| 06:15.40 | XVampireX | You're wrong, they hate us |
| 06:15.48 | XVampireX | As far as I know, they were the ones to start the war |
| 06:15.49 | Renze | and you hate them |
| 06:15.55 | Renze | you took their country |
| 06:15.57 | XVampireX | You get brainwashed easily |
| 06:16.02 | straw | Renze: its quite the reverse. for a long, long time |
| 06:16.03 | Renze | so do you |
| 06:16.07 | XVampireX | Not me :P |
| 06:16.11 | XVampireX | I just live here |
| 06:16.12 | Japsu | ##politics |
| 06:16.12 | XVampireX | :P |
| 06:16.15 | XVampireX | Has nothing to do with me |
| 06:16.30 | XVampireX | I'd be happy to leave |
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| 06:41.46 | chakie_work | hm, my KWeather has for some reason changed all the units to imperialistic units |
| 06:42.07 | JohnMS | What are your KDE locale settings? |
| 06:42.10 | chakie_work | i want the globally standardized units that i had a few days ago :) |
| 06:43.26 | chakie_work | yes, the locales are totally wrong |
| 06:43.45 | chakie_work | wonder what has changed them, i sure haven't touched them since installing |
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| 06:44.25 | JohnMS | Don't know, but you can change your locale settings in the control centre. |
| 06:46.10 | chakie_work | yeah |
| 06:46.38 | chakie_work | my region has been set correctly for a few days (was "Default"), but it has no effect on newly started apps |
| 06:47.12 | chakie_work | the panel clock also uses this weird AMPM system |
| 06:48.02 | JohnMS | The only place where I know to set those things are in the Control Centre. |
| 06:52.54 | chakie_work | they have no real effect, but applying says that they only affect "newly started apps" |
| 06:53.10 | JohnMS | Log out and log back in. |
| 06:53.11 | Renze | dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 06:53.12 | chakie_work | i guess removing and re-adding KWeather doesn't mean restarting |
| 06:53.54 | chakie_work | nope, still fahrenheit |
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| 06:54.08 | chakie_work | after a remove + readd |
| 06:54.41 | JohnMS | Might have to restart your KDE session, is my best guess. |
| 06:54.51 | chakie_work | didn't know that "newly started apps" means i have to log out :) |
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| 06:55.01 | chakie_work | yeah, could be |
| 06:55.38 | Renze | stop and restart the weather service, not just the applet |
| 06:56.01 | Renze | Configure KWeather, Stop Weather Service |
| 06:56.15 | Renze | under the Weather Service page |
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| 06:57.42 | brujah | Temperature: 54F / 12C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Rain Showers | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 6:25 PM NZST; Chance of Rain. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Rain. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Clear. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; |
| 06:57.44 | brujah | ;p |
| 06:58.03 | JohnMS | Renze: thanks always wonder what that stop weather service was all about. LOL |
| 06:58.15 | Renze | no problem |
| 07:01.08 | Renze | man, weather looks nasty tomorrow |
| 07:01.35 | brujah | uh huh |
| 07:02.06 | chakie_work | hm, is stopping the weather service supposed to do anything? i get no feedback at all |
| 07:02.16 | qupada | Renze: you know, apart from our temperatures being a couple of degrees colder your might beat us on the crappy weather front tomorrow |
| 07:02.19 | Renze | there won't be any feedback |
| 07:02.25 | chakie_work | ok |
| 07:02.33 | Renze | qupada: glad I don't have to go outside :D |
| 07:02.43 | chakie_work | but yeah, that did the trick for the weather applet |
| 07:02.49 | chakie_work | Renze: thanks! |
| 07:02.53 | Renze | no problem |
| 07:02.58 | Renze | it's what I'm here for :D |
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| 07:03.11 | qupada | i haven't managed to find a weather applet that can use wunderground.com |
| 07:03.22 | qupada | no other site has quality weather data for NZ |
| 07:03.24 | Renze | qupada: write one :) |
| 07:03.38 | qupada | i guess i could hack liquid weather plus |
| 07:03.51 | Renze | lwp is written by a kiwi anyway |
| 07:04.13 | qupada | sometimes it's just easier to type '!weather nzdn' in #gentoo-amd64 and have the bot give me the forecast |
| 07:04.30 | Renze | no, nzwn :D |
| 07:04.53 | brujah | for weather |
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| 07:06.33 | dumbkiwi | qupada: have you tried the latest lwp, which uses Accuweather. There are a lot more weather stations available now. |
| 07:07.04 | qupada | no, not recently. i find the problem is there might be forecast data, but you never seem to get a 'situation' reading for any cities here |
| 07:07.21 | dumbkiwi | Which cities? |
| 07:07.24 | qupada | Dunedin |
| 07:07.26 | brujah | !weather |
| 07:07.29 | brujah | Temperature: 54F / 12C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Rain Showers | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 6:25 PM NZST; Chance of Rain. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Rain. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Clear. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; |
| 07:08.10 | qupada | i haven't used lwp in at least 2-3 versions, might be worth giving it another try |
| 07:08.21 | qupada | after i reinstall superkaramba that is, haven't had that installed in a long time |
| 07:09.50 | dumbkiwi | I get situation data for Dunedin from both Accuweather and weather.com |
| 07:10.13 | qupada | cool, it's fixed then. there never used to be |
| 07:10.25 | qupada | you just got a big ? instead of the sun/moon/clouds symbol |
| 07:10.33 | Renze | nope |
| 07:11.11 | dumbkiwi | qupada: no excuses then :) |
| 07:11.29 | qupada | apparently not |
| 07:11.55 | qupada | likely after 1-2 days i'll get really annoyed with it on my desktop and remove it again, but meh |
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| 07:26.41 | qupada | hmmm, lwp is being a bastard |
| 07:27.14 | qupada | i change the settings to here, click ok, it goes to completely transparent with 'resetting theme' then refuses to do anything further |
| 07:27.55 | dumbkiwi | qupada: delete ~/.superkaramba/lwp and restart it |
| 07:28.35 | qupada | already done that twice |
| 07:30.33 | qupada | ok, it's going now |
| 07:30.59 | qupada | and wouldn't you know it, the only current conditions displayed are humidity and temperature |
| 07:32.14 | qupada | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1100/lwpmq4.png << not cool |
| 07:33.36 | qupada | i might add too, not very accurate temp/humidity, since dunedin airport is 35km from the city, over a rather large hill |
| 07:34.42 | qupada | oops, never mind |
| 07:34.58 | qupada | no, do mind |
| 07:35.04 | qupada | stupid thing |
| 07:35.07 | straw | well, just build a weather station on your roof... |
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| 07:35.36 | qupada | straw: or i could look out the window... |
| 07:35.38 | straw | i usuall just look out the window :p |
| 07:35.42 | straw | heh |
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| 07:37.04 | qupada | it's behaving now |
| 07:37.41 | qupada | doesn't change the fact it's wrong and it actually isn't raining outside like it thinks, but never mind |
| 07:38.55 | dumbkiwi | qupada: I get this: |
| 07:39.07 | dumbkiwi | http://liquidweather.net/dunedin.png |
| 07:39.16 | dumbkiwi | this is from Accuweather |
| 07:39.39 | qupada | yeah, it's decided to behave now |
| 07:40.29 | qupada | gotta find some pictures i like now |
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| 08:16.37 | *** topic/#kde is Latest releases: stable: 3.5.4. See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Flamewars of every kind, don't even start, or you will be banned | Don't delete ~/.kde ! |
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| 08:51.16 | mobtek | at least your being quiet |
| 08:51.18 | mobtek | ;) |
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| 08:57.36 | jose1711 | hello, please is there anyone from l10n.kde.org admins here? |
| 08:57.43 | mobtek | hahah |
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| 09:02.40 | jose1711 | George: ping |
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| 09:06.14 | qupada | Renze: are you sure that's smart. dropping australia back into the ocean would make a huge tsunami, and we'd be one of the first to be hit |
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| 09:06.29 | qupada | i say 'we', there's a mountain range between me and australia, you're less lucky |
| 09:06.45 | Renze | qupada: it's OK, I'm well above sea level, and you're on the far coast :D |
| 09:07.02 | qupada | ah, all good then |
| 09:07.12 | qupada | commence with the picking up and dropping then |
| 09:07.25 | Renze | maybe I should flip it over too? |
| 09:07.34 | dansushi18 | i'm having a problem logging in to my user with kde. I type in my username and password (and i know that i typesd it in right- it worked in the console) but when it looks like it's about to log me in, it brings me back to the login screen. Anyone have any idea what is wrong? |
| 09:07.45 | jose1711 | !seen George |
| 09:07.45 | qupada | at least rotate it 180 degrees |
| 09:08.04 | qupada | dansushi18: i had that issue for a while, it solved itself, i don't remember how |
| 09:08.16 | dansushi18 | hmm... |
| 09:08.23 | qupada | you might want to try moving kdmrc (wherever your distro keeps it) somewhere else and try again |
| 09:08.33 | Renze | dansushi18: try again, then switch to a console (ctrl-alt-f1) and check the contents of ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 09:08.59 | Renze | do *not* log into another gui, as that will overwrite the file |
| 09:09.44 | dansushi18 | hmm.. i know this is bad, but temporaily i am using kde as root right now |
| 09:10.03 | dansushi18 | by doing startx -- :1 |
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| 09:11.07 | doktoreas | anyone uses krusader? |
| 09:11.11 | qupada | can you not log in as your own user with startx? |
| 09:11.14 | RockMan | ciao |
| 09:11.18 | Renze | dansushi18: then check the .xsession-errors in your users directory |
| 09:11.22 | doktoreas | ciao rockman |
| 09:11.57 | dansushi18 | Renze, empty document |
| 09:12.01 | Renze | hmmm |
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| 09:13.27 | dansushi18 | maybe this will help: i can't seem to do startx -- :1 while in my user, but i can in root |
| 09:14.05 | Renze | yes, it is a user setting causing the problem... something in .xsession-errors would have pointed the way to what. |
| 09:14.08 | Renze | unfortunately... |
| 09:14.21 | kucrut | hihihi |
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| 09:49.36 | thecrazy | Hi |
| 09:50.04 | thecrazy | Ive been trying to figure out why KDE su wont keep passwords even though i keep checking "keep password" |
| 09:50.16 | thecrazy | can anyone give me a hint on how to resolve this? |
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| 10:46.43 | logixoul | any Dolphin users here? |
| 10:46.59 | logixoul | a quick poll... |
| 10:47.47 | logixoul | If you open a file manager and split its view vertically, then close the app and open it again, should it be split or not? |
| 10:48.11 | benJIman|work | in konqueror? it depends if you save the view profile |
| 10:48.43 | logixoul | benJIman|work: not in konq, in Dolphin. but the concept should be applicable to any browser |
| 10:48.55 | logixoul | s/browser/file manager |
| 10:49.20 | logixoul | i can't decide how it would be more user friendly |
| 10:49.38 | benJIman|work | I would say remember the changes, but provide an obvious way to revert to defaults |
| 10:50.02 | tuxick | what was the name of that password dialog that pops up for kmail etc? |
| 10:50.10 | logixoul | benJIman|work: the way is there. |
| 10:50.18 | tuxick | there's a bad bug in it: it pops up but doesn't take focues |
| 10:50.20 | logixoul | tuxick: kwallet? |
| 10:50.23 | tuxick | focus |
| 10:50.27 | tuxick | logixoul: thanks, that's the one |
| 10:50.37 | tuxick | it should take focus, imo |
| 10:50.44 | logixoul | benJIman|work: but there is a problem with that |
| 10:51.01 | tuxick | it pops up while you're typing and if you're not careful you type pass elsewhere |
| 10:51.18 | logixoul | A use case: |
| 10:51.21 | logixoul | Frank wants to move photo.png from ~/images/good to ~/images/bad. He: |
| 10:51.26 | logixoul | 1. navigates Dolphin to ~/photos/good |
| 10:51.29 | logixoul | 2. splits the view. |
| 10:51.33 | logixoul | 3. navigates the secondary view to ~/photos/bad |
| 10:51.38 | logixoul | 4. drags and drops photo.png |
| 10:51.38 | logixoul | And that completes his task. He closes Dolphin and forgets he has ever moved |
| 10:51.38 | logixoul | his photo. The next week he opens Dolphin with a new and unrelated task in |
| 10:51.38 | logixoul | mind. He sees a split view. Why, wonders he, why the first time I started |
| 10:51.38 | logixoul | with one view and the second time I started with two views? |
| 10:52.03 | logixoul | tuxick: yes, i think i've noticed that, i'll check now |
| 10:52.12 | logixoul | benJIman|work: what about that? |
| 10:52.51 | junkY_San | what's wrong here? http://rafb.net/paste/results/dU35XL21.html |
| 10:53.00 | benJIman|work | logixoul: depends how you work with it I suppose |
| 10:53.49 | benJIman|work | logixoul: perhaps the way konqueror behaves is better, but with a more obvious way of remembering the settings than konqueror |
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| 10:54.10 | logixoul | benJIman|work: what about having an option in the config dialog? |
| 10:54.18 | benJIman|work | logixoul: asking on exit is one alternative I suppose "do you want to remember your view changes, yes no, don't ask again" |
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| 10:54.55 | tuxick | logixoul: there's several threads about it on bugtracker |
| 10:55.01 | tuxick | doesn't seem to happen everywhere |
| 10:55.06 | tuxick | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113057 |
| 10:55.16 | tuxick | it has always done this for me |
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| 10:55.51 | jose1711 | George: are you available? |
| 10:56.26 | tuxick | logixoul: i'm surprised grabbing focus seems to vague? |
| 10:56.32 | tuxick | even on windows it was easy :) |
| 10:56.39 | tuxick | s/to/so/ |
| 10:56.48 | tuxick | afair |
| 10:57.02 | logixoul | benJIman|work: good idea, but is it consistent with other KDE apps? i think not, and this is a drawback. |
| 10:58.20 | benJIman|work | logixoul: konqueror does it with some changes actually |
| 10:58.59 | logixoul | benJIman|work: other than standard stuff (toolbars, window size/pos)? and without saving a profile? |
| 10:59.16 | logixoul | oops |
| 10:59.17 | benJIman|work | i've had konqueror ask on exit about some things, I forget what though |
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| 10:59.37 | logixoul | benJIman|work: you mean things like ">1 tab in this window, close a;;?" |
| 10:59.45 | logixoul | s/a;;/all/ |
| 10:59.46 | benJIman|work | no |
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| 11:00.10 | benJIman|work | I'm at work and don't have a kde to play with atm though |
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| 11:01.00 | logixoul | benJIman|work: okay, thanks. maybe the usability people will give more advice. |
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| 11:05.01 | logixoul | tuxick: it works fine here, but i have memories of it not working. maybe a different version, or a different distro. |
| 11:06.41 | tuxick | logixoul: you mean the kwallet thing right? |
| 11:06.47 | tuxick | it never grabbed focus for me |
| 11:07.03 | tuxick | it seems to be related to using multiple workspaces |
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| 11:10.00 | xororand | lo |
| 11:10.45 | xororand | i've got a problem on a remote machine (friend's computer). kde hangs at "Loading the desktop", even on newly created useraccounts with no previous kde configuration |
| 11:10.51 | logixoul | tuxick: yes, that's what i mean. maybe we're running different vers |
| 11:11.01 | xororand | i only can test it in VNC though - any ideas where i could start looking? |
| 11:11.08 | logixoul | xororand: which distro/os? |
| 11:11.29 | xororand | logixoul: linux, gentoo, kde-3.5.3 |
| 11:12.03 | logixoul | xororand: for such specific issues, you generally have a better chance of getting help at #gentoo |
| 11:12.17 | tuxick | i've been using kde for ages, this issue remained throughout all versions |
| 11:12.24 | tuxick | and it's a confirmed issue :) |
| 11:12.51 | xororand | logixoul: i thought perhaps there was a way to get a kde startup log or something like that. btw if i start an xterm in the xsession and manually launch kicker from there, everything seems to work fine |
| 11:12.56 | xororand | as if only kicker wasn't started automatically |
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| 11:15.29 | logixoul | tuxick: as you said, "doesn't seem to happen everywhere" |
| 11:16.28 | tuxick | logixoul: which means grabbing focus seems a bit unpredictable |
| 11:16.32 | xororand | i guess i'll upgrade to kde-3.5.4 first and try again then |
| 11:16.39 | tuxick | it seems to happen with kopete as well |
| 11:17.11 | logixoul | xororand: okay; give me a shout if you need me to test ath. |
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| 11:25.18 | logixoul | whoops |
| 11:25.34 | logixoul | this last message was directed at tuxick, not xororand |
| 11:25.44 | logixoul | tuxick: okay; give me a shout if you need me to test ath. |
| 11:26.06 | logixoul | xororand: wait a minute, i'll check |
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| 11:28.36 | logixoul | xororand: i don't know, sorry. |
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| 11:33.28 | xwizard | hi! |
| 11:42.01 | tuxick | logixoul: test what? |
| 11:42.51 | logixoul | tuxick: anything. like whether some actions work as you expect... |
| 11:44.48 | tuxick | logixoul: for me there's nothing vague, kwallet popup never grabs keyboard focus |
| 11:44.57 | tuxick | never did either |
| 11:45.08 | logixoul | tuxick: yes, but it does here |
| 11:45.09 | logixoul | brb |
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| 11:54.49 | |cub| | hey people |
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| 11:59.22 | tuxick | lo |
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| 12:09.37 | logixoul | tuxick: the question is why it works here, but doesn't work with you, right? |
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| 12:14.18 | tuxick | logixoul: quite |
| 12:14.53 | tuxick | logixoul: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113057 shows it's a bit unclear |
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| 12:15.33 | tuxick | logixoul: so i wonder why it's so hard to get unconditional focus |
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| 12:18.53 | nik | hiya |
| 12:19.41 | nik | how to hide some icons in remote:/? for instance, I do not use "Local Network" and "Network Services" - how to remove/hide? |
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| 12:21.19 | xwizard | nik: maybe shift+del will help :) |
| 12:21.21 | logixoul | nik: hack kio-remote. no other way |
| 12:21.41 | logixoul | xwizard: no. it's not a filesystem. |
| 12:21.42 | xwizard | not even vfs? |
| 12:21.59 | logixoul | Vancouver Film School? |
| 12:22.02 | logixoul | :) |
| 12:22.05 | logixoul | what's vfs? |
| 12:22.07 | xwizard | :D |
| 12:22.11 | xwizard | virtual file system |
| 12:22.24 | nik | xwizard: "could not delete...." |
| 12:22.29 | nik | logixoul: mh... |
| 12:23.07 | logixoul | nik: ql... |
| 12:23.16 | nik | "ql"? |
| 12:23.23 | logixoul | "mh"? |
| 12:23.27 | xwizard | heh |
| 12:23.50 | logixoul | nik: anyway, i presume you're not a programmer? |
| 12:24.49 | nik | logixoul: actually yes, but do not have a lot of time now |
| 12:25.08 | logixoul | nik: you could file a bug |
| 12:25.18 | nik | good idea |
| 12:25.45 | xwizard | and wait two months |
| 12:26.01 | logixoul | xwizard: i once had a bug fixed for 18min |
| 12:26.06 | xwizard | :o |
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| 12:26.25 | logixoul | xwizard: on the flip side, a bug i reported 19 months ago still has no replies... ;) |
| 12:26.36 | xwizard | ^^ |
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| 12:27.05 | xwizard | damn, i don't have enough free space for kde :| |
| 12:27.48 | xororand | logixoul: the problems was that some program was accidentally installed in version 3.5.2 and thus pulled kdelibs-3.5.2 as a dependency which ofc broke the rest of kde which was 3.5.3 |
| 12:27.54 | xororand | s/problems/problem/ |
| 12:28.09 | logixoul | xwizard: stfu noob, like, go uze windoz or sumthing lol |
| 12:28.26 | xwizard | hey! |
| 12:29.06 | logixoul | xororand: why don't you emerge a kde 3.5.2 altogether? |
| 12:29.48 | xororand | logixoul: my friend wants 3.5.4 but had forgotten to set everything from the "kde-base" category to "testing" |
| 12:30.00 | xororand | logixoul: i just now set everything to 3.5.4 (testing) |
| 12:30.14 | xororand | works fine again |
| 12:30.36 | logixoul | xororand: good. |
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| 12:30.56 | xororand | though it causes often problems to mix testing and stable branches - on my own systems i prefer everything stable or everything testing |
| 12:31.03 | xororand | as far as it's possible |
| 12:31.18 | xororand | ..often causes.. sry i'm very tired ;) |
| 12:31.23 | xwizard | apt logixoul is n00b |
| 12:31.50 | apt | okay, xwizard |
| 12:31.55 | xwizard | ^^ |
| 12:33.53 | logixoul | xororand: i see. |
| 12:36.03 | logixoul | anybody remember the name of the app that takes a screenshot and uploads it to ftp? |
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| 12:36.19 | xororand | logixoul: i have a script for that |
| 12:36.28 | benJIman|work | logixoul: ksnapshot can do that |
| 12:36.51 | logixoul | benJIman|work: oh, you mean with the network transparency? |
| 12:37.05 | xororand | logixoul: it downloads a counter from the webserver, takes a screenshot$(COUNTER+1).png and uploads the increased counter + the shot |
| 12:37.17 | xororand | and gives me a kdialog with the http url :) |
| 12:37.19 | benJIman|work | logixoul: of course |
| 12:37.24 | xororand | someone should do that for imageshack.us |
| 12:37.34 | benJIman|work | xororand: ksnapshot already does that |
| 12:37.58 | logixoul | benJIman|work: imageshack.us has no FTP uploading, iirc |
| 12:38.04 | benJIman|work | logixoul: I mean the other |
| 12:38.06 | logixoul | ok |
| 12:38.11 | xororand | benJIman|work: mine works on xfce also ;) |
| 12:38.14 | xororand | with no kde installed |
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| 12:39.39 | benJIman|work | pft you don't need a handbook, it couldn't be more self explanatory |
| 12:39.56 | benJIman|work | you click new snapshot, save it somewhere, then the next one has number incremented, so you can keep saving to same location |
| 12:40.20 | xororand | benJIman|work: okay i thought of automatic screenshots (no interaction) which would require dcop |
| 12:40.26 | xororand | that's not straightforward imo |
| 12:40.31 | xwizard | aaah! ---> Installing 'kde-3.5.3' from a port (x11/kde3) |
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| 12:40.44 | g-henna | hi everyone |
| 12:40.48 | xwizard | hi g-henna |
| 12:40.49 | benJIman|work | xororand: why would you want todo screenshots without any interaction, you need to tell it when todo screenshots |
| 12:40.50 | xororand | hi g-henna |
| 12:40.58 | g-henna | can someone tell me how to get oracle support to kexi? :-) |
| 12:41.26 | g-henna | i have the oracle instantclient libs installed, now somehow i need to modify kexi to be able to use them |
| 12:41.41 | xororand | benJIman|work: for example one could want it like that: press some shortcut like windows-s and just wait for a dialog box to pop up with the http url in it |
| 12:41.52 | xororand | then you'd have to automate ksnapshot |
| 12:42.14 | benJIman|work | just have the shortcut start ksnapshot, it takes a screenshot on starting |
| 12:42.32 | xororand | then you'll still need the http url :) |
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| 12:43.07 | xororand | benJIman|work: the auto-incrementing counters are very nice btw, didn't notice that before |
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| 12:43.32 | logixoul | xororand: you can save the "http url" as a "Place" in the save dialog |
| 12:43.42 | logixoul | xororand: then it's two clicks and a filename away |
| 12:44.08 | benJIman|work | logixoul: it remembers where you last saved stuff to anyway |
| 12:44.55 | xororand | logixoul: err how does this work if i upload via sftp for example? |
| 12:45.24 | xororand | it couldn't associate the sftp path with the webserver path automagically |
| 12:45.25 | logixoul | xororand: i guess sftp isn't any different from ftp here, and ftp works fine |
| 12:45.57 | xororand | whatever it works fine :) |
| 12:46.10 | logixoul | xororand: well, i have a "html_public" dir, which translates to the root dir for http:// |
| 12:46.56 | nik | what's a good timer tool? |
| 12:48.00 | logixoul | nik: KTimer, i think |
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| 12:48.33 | logixoul | nik: and a more specific (and unpleasant) one: RSIBreak |
| 12:48.53 | benJIman|work | kteatime :) |
| 12:48.57 | logixoul | benJIman|work: yeah, but if the user saves stuff to different dirs, this won't work. |
| 12:49.07 | logixoul | (re: your previous message) |
| 12:49.18 | benJIman|work | logixoul: so, then it's not a problem is it |
| 12:49.20 | nik | hm it's pitty that there is no option to let play a sound file in ktimer; ok I can use kaboodle...but this I have to type ;) |
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| 12:49.30 | logixoul | benJIman|work: yes :) , just noting. |
| 12:49.39 | xororand | nik: i often just use sleep. sleep 28000 && mplayer .. |
| 12:50.10 | nik | xororand: also not bad ;) |
| 12:50.50 | xororand | nik: atd isn't bad neither |
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| 12:56.47 | logixoul | nik: if you report the kio-remote but, give me the bugno |
| 12:56.53 | logixoul | s/but/bug/ |
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| 12:58.44 | nik | ok |
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| 13:01.22 | xwizard | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020707&mode=classic |
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| 13:03.04 | logixoul | xwizard: idgi |
| 13:04.00 | xwizard | whatever that means logixoul :/ |
| 13:04.25 | logixoul | ==i don't get it |
| 13:04.49 | xwizard | that uf ? |
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| 13:05.21 | logixoul | ya |
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| 13:06.12 | Kabal | Hi all, is there a way the change the (random) pattern of the "slideshow" functions of KDE Desktop? |
| 13:06.12 | Kabal | I've got 1 desktop that has slideshow wallpaper.. and I set it to a folder with alot of pix..but the problem is.. that the random function is not really random.. it does have a pattern.. can this be changed? |
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| 13:07.41 | logixoul | Kabal: describe the pattern you observe. |
| 13:08.01 | nik | logixoul: lol, in remote:/ I prefixed the stuff I do not use with '.'...now I can't see it...also if Show Hidden Files is enabled :/ |
| 13:08.07 | Kabal | oke |
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| 13:08.47 | logixoul | nik: what on earth... i tried that and it didn't let me rename things |
| 13:09.06 | nik | logixoul: I changed it in properties |
| 13:09.21 | logixoul | okay -_- |
| 13:11.09 | Kabal | I started to notice that random wallpapers are yes random.. but no not really. |
| 13:11.09 | Kabal | I've got 2 desktops with random walls.. and they change the same.. even in same pattern.. |
| 13:11.09 | Kabal | every 60 secs the wallpaper repaints.. but after an hour.. I see the same pix.. np.. but 2 desktops again with both the same pix.. |
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| 13:11.50 | Kabal | man this is hard to explain |
| 13:12.21 | logixoul | Kabal: so you get them in an order like this: a b f g h t a b f g h t a b f g h t |
| 13:13.07 | Kabal | yes I do believe so.. |
| 13:13.14 | logixoul | (you're Dutch, you're the one who has to explain clearly :P ) |
| 13:13.29 | Kabal | haha |
| 13:13.45 | Kabal | I'll go to #kde-nl LOL |
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| 13:14.12 | Kabal | LOL |
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| 13:14.27 | Kabal | your not..? |
| 13:14.46 | Kabal | logixoul: Dutch? |
| 13:15.02 | logixoul | no, I'm not. x_x |
| 13:15.10 | Kabal | ah ke.. |
| 13:15.31 | Kabal | but this is not some prob that I easely can change.. |
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| 13:17.23 | logixoul | Kabal: vote for this: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65084 |
| 13:18.00 | Kabal | logixoul: Thanx man! :D |
| 13:18.30 | Kabal | really what I was looking for |
| 13:18.58 | logixoul | Kabal: np. here's what you should've done before asking at irc: |
| 13:19.01 | logixoul | 1. search b.k.o for "slideshow kdesktop random repeat" |
| 13:19.11 | logixoul | 2. scan the list for relevant reports |
| 13:19.20 | logixoul | and that's all. took me <1minute |
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| 13:21.16 | Kabal | Thanx I will search with b.k.o. instead of google.. |
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| 13:22.25 | Kabal | But the thing is... this BUG is allready in KDE 3.1.4! |
| 13:22.25 | Kabal | I'm @ 3.5.4 and the bug is still there? |
| 13:22.25 | Kabal | Why is that? |
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| 13:22.55 | nik | where are the links in remote:/ located? |
| 13:22.59 | Kabal | nobody uses random desktop? |
| 13:23.33 | logixoul | Kabal: main reason: the reporter hasn't managed to convince the developers that the this is a bug. you can try. i can too, but i don't feel like it. |
| 13:23.56 | logixoul | nik, what do you mean? |
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| 13:24.18 | nik | logixoul: the things I see in remote:/ - these are links? |
| 13:24.28 | Kabal | logixoul: well than I'm gonna go for it :) |
| 13:24.28 | Kabal | this is a serious issue!! hehe |
| 13:24.34 | Kabal | thanx logixoul :) |
| 13:26.00 | logixoul | nik: i'm not sure if that' what you want, but SLP Services is at service:/, SMB Shares is at smb:/, Zeroconf Services is at zeroconf:/ |
| 13:26.17 | nik | logixoul: no... ;) |
| 13:26.25 | logixoul | ah... |
| 13:26.28 | logixoul | i got it. |
| 13:27.11 | logixoul | The things you see in remote:/ are not files (linked to anything). They are generated on the fly by the kioslave |
| 13:27.44 | nik | oh...ok ;) |
| 13:27.48 | nik | logixoul: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132747 |
| 13:28.21 | shining | what's up with this one: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101756 |
| 13:28.27 | logixoul | nik: you said you could prefix them with ".", didn't you? |
| 13:28.28 | nik | It would be cool to sort the things in remote:/ by connection type...If you have many connections :/ |
| 13:28.54 | nik | logixoul: yes, but this works only on custom make entries, "Local Network" do not work :( |
| 13:28.59 | nik | made |
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| 13:33.05 | logixoul | okay |
| 13:34.56 | shining | no one knows? |
| 13:35.04 | shining | what does it mean if it's on the whishlist? |
| 13:35.14 | shining | that it's not even considered as a bug? |
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| 13:35.36 | shining | it's a critical one, it makes kde look no serious at all, but utterly crap and mystic |
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| 13:38.38 | logixoul | shining: You don't know what you are talking about, do you?! There are *thousands* of equally (or more) critical bugs, and the sole reason they aren't fixed is the little manpower available... |
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| 13:39.24 | jose1711 | George: hello |
| 13:39.26 | nik | someone using root-tail? |
| 13:39.32 | Sho_ | shining: According to the bug history it was filed as a wishlist item, so blame the reporter, not the KDE staff |
| 13:39.39 | George | jose1711: pong |
| 13:40.56 | shining | I just wanted to get some feedbacks from here, as I'm not familiar with kde bugs system, sorry for the big words |
| 13:41.04 | shining | Sho_: is it possible to change that? |
| 13:41.55 | logixoul | shining: not for you. only for people with such permissions granted. but you can ask for it. |
| 13:42.04 | Sho_ | shining: yeah ... but I'm not sure if anyone can do it, I think only the reporter and admins perhaps |
| 13:42.39 | Sho_ | shining: Log-in with your account and see if you can change the "Severity" field, but only do it if you can post a justification for what makes it a bug alongside the change |
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| 13:44.22 | drantin | is there a way to alphabetize the tabs in konversation-svn? |
| 13:44.34 | drantin | automatically, not manually? |
| 13:44.45 | logixoul | drantin: #konversation |
| 13:45.22 | Sho_ | drantin: No |
| 13:45.57 | shining | well, the fact that it's only the second bug I notice, and the first one has been fixed in 3.5.4 (kwalletmanager segfault on logout), it looks several to me |
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| 13:46.32 | shining | there are other annoyances that I would not consider as bugs but as wishlist, but definitely not this one |
| 13:47.17 | yurisan | aew |
| 13:47.32 | yurisan | tem algum br |
| 13:47.53 | yurisan | que pode me ajudar |
| 13:48.19 | Letalis | ive got an unusual situation with arts and noatun. the arts server works and go through all the tests, but if i try to run noatun it bombs out saying that Connecting/Starting the arts soundserver has failed check configuration |
| 13:48.43 | Letalis | if it works in the tests, could this be a lock file issue with noatun? |
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| 13:54.04 | R6Ale | hi guys, can everyone troubleshotme? im having problems with sound -i got no sound at all- on kde 3.5.4 |
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| 13:57.18 | logixoul | R6Ale: which distro/os? |
| 13:57.39 | R6Ale | debian etch w/sid stuff |
| 13:57.45 | logixoul | R6Ale: #debian |
| 13:58.06 | logixoul | (such problems are normally specific to the downstream, sorry) |
| 13:58.28 | shining | unless it's related to arts maybe |
| 13:58.48 | R6Ale | i think is arts fault :D |
| 13:59.03 | shining | just disable it then, I always do that |
| 13:59.33 | R6Ale | lemme try |
| 13:59.57 | logixoul | shining: distros/oses patch arts, alsa, etc, on a regular basis. they also compile them differently, distrib them differently... and vanilla KDE/ALSA sound is 90% of times working. |
| 14:01.26 | logixoul | shining: what about arts apps? |
| 14:01.59 | shining | logixoul: I try not using them, but I'm not even sure which apps only work with arts |
| 14:02.04 | shining | noatun at least? |
| 14:02.28 | logixoul | no, noatun has a pluggable backend arch iirc |
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| 14:02.37 | logixoul | and there is a xine plugin |
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| 14:03.02 | logixoul | okay, reasonable. |
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| 14:03.44 | shining | actually, there is a weird bug with noatun also, it saves the files it play in $HOME |
| 14:04.27 | shining | I really suck at finding bugs, my dad found much more than me in much less times |
| 14:05.01 | shining | he isn't even using kde apps most of the time, whith firefox and thunderbird :p |
| 14:05.37 | shining | seems like there were less issue with gnome |
| 14:05.40 | mobtek | man let him use kaffeine or amarok hehe |
| 14:05.49 | mobtek | noatun is arse ;) |
| 14:06.14 | shining | amarok could be a little overkill |
| 14:06.30 | logixoul | shining: had found&recorded 712 bugs for several months (and was reporting some of them from time to time)... then i did something foolish and lost all my data :) |
| 14:06.49 | logixoul | amarok... overkill for what? |
| 14:06.51 | shining | logixoul: ho weird |
| 14:07.12 | shining | logixoul: I find it nice for handling a music database |
| 14:07.21 | logixoul | shining: you don't need to use this feature |
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| 14:07.58 | Lektron | Hi. Need help with Konqueror problem. |
| 14:08.02 | Lektron | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.13 | shining | well, both should be better than noatun anyway |
| 14:08.15 | Lektron | Suggestion? |
| 14:08.17 | logixoul | Lektron: save it as a "minitool" |
| 14:08.23 | logixoul | Lektron: it's a known limitation. |
| 14:08.35 | shining | also i didn't find anything for recording audio stream |
| 14:08.38 | logixoul | shining: sure as hell |
| 14:08.45 | logixoul | shining: hmm... |
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| 14:08.53 | Lektron | logixoul: Thanks, I will check that out. |
| 14:09.02 | shining | I'm fine with mplayer -dumpstream, but that's cli |
| 14:09.25 | logixoul | Lektron: no problem, nice nick btw. |
| 14:09.50 | Lektron | thanks |
| 14:10.20 | logixoul | shining: btw kaffeine can do it |
| 14:10.48 | shining | ho really? I missed that, i'll look at it |
| 14:11.52 | logixoul | (shining: when you say "ho", do you mean "oh"? fyi ho==whore) |
| 14:12.19 | shining | lol, I really didn't know it made a difference |
| 14:13.15 | logixoul | [= |
| 14:14.19 | logixoul | shining: a patch for ripping streams in amarok is available |
| 14:14.47 | shining | that could be nice as well |
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| 14:15.14 | Lektron | logixoul: Looks like the Mini-Tool trick is the solution. Thanks a lot ! |
| 14:15.20 | logixoul | shining: there is also KStreamRipper: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10275 |
| 14:15.32 | logixoul | Lektron: still no problem :) |
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| 14:15.57 | Gr3m | hi |
| 14:16.04 | Gr3m | is there a quanta+ for windows? |
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| 14:17.53 | logixoul | Gr3m: no, but there is Quanta Gold for Windows. |
| 14:18.20 | logixoul | Gr3m: $40 |
| 14:20.09 | Gr3m | oh :( |
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| 14:22.44 | shining | I think I'll just learn cpp and fix bugs, and adding the missing features. Should be easy, right? :) |
| 14:24.12 | logixoul | sure. |
| 14:25.04 | shining | I heard/read some odd things about cpp though, I didnt really want to learn it :p |
| 14:25.56 | Gr3m | it's harder to learn as first language than most others |
| 14:26.01 | logixoul | you have a great alternative |
| 14:26.04 | Gr3m | but it's very powerful |
| 14:26.39 | logixoul | ...Ruby. won't let you work on most existing KDE apps, but you'll be astonished at how fun it is to write your own ones in it. |
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| 14:27.33 | shining | are there some popular apps in ruby? |
| 14:27.41 | Gr3m | learn c# |
| 14:27.48 | Gr3m | you can code for linux and windows then |
| 14:27.50 | Gr3m | ^_^ |
| 14:27.55 | Gr3m | it's a nice language |
| 14:27.57 | logixoul | shining: parts of Amarok (namely most of its bundled scripts) |
| 14:27.57 | jose1711 | George: have you got my e-mail w/ the dictionary files? |
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| 14:28.22 | shining | I considered c# to be even worse than c++ |
| 14:28.26 | shining | logixoul: ha cool |
| 14:28.33 | George | jose1711: yes |
| 14:28.41 | George | jose1711: I'll commit tonight |
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| 14:29.13 | jose1711 | thank you george |
| 14:29.13 | Jejem | and what about D, shining ? |
| 14:29.13 | Jejem | :) |
| 14:29.16 | jose1711 | i appreciate it |
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| 14:29.22 | logixoul | shining: there's a heap of ruby apps out there, but what you consider popular is another question... http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ |
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| 14:30.00 | logixoul | Sho_: depends... it isn't hard per se, but it's really harder than with Ruby. |
| 14:30.21 | shining | logixoul: it doesn't really matter, just wanted to know if something that I could have used was in ruby |
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| 14:30.47 | Sho_ | logixoul: Isn't Ruby only easy to learn if you already damaged your brain with Perl beforehand? :) |
| 14:31.24 | shining | anyway, I should maybe get more confident with the languages I already started to learn before looking at others |
| 14:32.14 | logixoul | Sho_: in fact I don't know shit about Perl, but, knowing C++, QBasic and Assembler only, I found it easy :) |
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| 14:32.57 | logixoul | shining: and which is that? |
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| 14:33.20 | shining | logixoul: C, java and caml |
| 14:33.38 | logixoul | shining: what made you start with caml? |
| 14:33.57 | shining | logixoul: it's the first one I learned at school |
| 14:34.27 | shining | it's was more a math class than an informatic one, but I took the info option, which made me learn caml a bit. it's quite nice |
| 14:35.07 | logixoul | from what i've read, it's syntax is abysmal... but that's just me |
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| 14:37.09 | paoleela_work | I have two screens: Exactly after 8 hours the task bar of the first screen dies. |
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| 14:37.23 | logixoul | paoleela_work: screens? as in xinerama? |
| 14:37.29 | paoleela_work | And by the way, how could I restart the taskbar without restarting KDE? |
| 14:37.43 | paoleela_work | logixoul: two screens, but no xinerama. |
| 14:37.46 | Sho_ | run 'kicker' |
| 14:37.48 | logixoul | paoleela_work: killall kicker && kicker |
| 14:37.51 | paoleela_work | seperated desktops. |
| 14:38.15 | benJIman|work | dcop kicker default restart |
| 14:38.19 | benJIman|work | a cleaner way |
| 14:38.23 | logixoul | yes |
| 14:38.28 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: which won't work when kicker isn't running |
| 14:38.40 | benJIman|work | s/he said restart not start |
| 14:38.56 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: well after saying it crashes on him ;) |
| 14:38.58 | paoleela_work | ok, killall kicker killed also the second one. |
| 14:39.11 | logixoul | paoleela_work: yes |
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| 14:39.52 | paoleela_work | ok, both kickers are back again, as before. |
| 14:40.11 | bluestorm | hum |
| 14:40.11 | simmerz | what does it mean when I get a "Couldn't connect DCOP signal" in konq? |
| 14:40.15 | paoleela_work | But: As soon as I reach the border the terminal plots lots of lines "Xlib: extension "SHAPE" missing on display ":0.0"." |
| 14:40.17 | R6Ale | err... one small question... is the kde pager compatible with 3d-desktop? |
| 14:40.21 | logixoul | paoleela_work: how many times has the problem occured exactly after waiting 8 hours? |
| 14:40.35 | logixoul | R6Ale: not sure, but most likely not |
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| 14:40.42 | R6Ale | awww |
| 14:40.44 | R6Ale | crap |
| 14:40.49 | R6Ale | btw, i fixed sound =D |
| 14:41.08 | paoleela_work | logixoul: every working day, since one week. I start exactly at 8 o'clock therefore I know. |
| 14:41.24 | logixoul | hmm |
| 14:41.27 | paoleela_work | logixoul: and just since I have dual screen. |
| 14:41.43 | logixoul | simmerz: it could mean many things |
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| 14:42.07 | paoleela_work | logixoul: Thanks for the hint. Now how can I start kicker without getting these messages "Xlib: extension "SHAPE" missing on display ":0.0"."? |
| 14:42.07 | logixoul | simmerz: maybe the program konqueror is calling isn't running |
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| 14:44.29 | simmerz | logixoul: hmm. wondering what it is calling that isn't running. |
| 14:45.09 | paoleela_work | logixoul: Now I did dcop kicker default restart and get "Xlib: extension "SHAPE" missing on display ":0.1"." for the second screen:) |
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| 14:45.35 | logixoul | simmerz: if you really need to know, debug Konq... can't think of another way. |
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| 14:46.13 | paoleela_work | logixoul: Should I just do kicker >/dev/null or is something broken? |
| 14:46.21 | simmerz | logixoul: ok |
| 14:48.17 | smileaf | paoleela_work: that just a warning message or is something messing up? |
| 14:48.37 | logixoul | paoleela_work: I don't know, but the problem seems a common one. Look through these: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Xlib%3A+extension+%22SHAPE%22+missing+on+display%22 |
| 14:49.39 | paoleela_work | Ok, for now I will just send it to /dev/null. It's just because I restarted the kicker from a terminal now. |
| 14:51.15 | khaled | is there iany application under KDE like Microsoft Fronpage, imean to connect to IIS server through Frontpage extentions |
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| 14:53.50 | smileaf | lol... you can almost always find something funny reading the commit logs of any open source app. |
| 14:54.09 | smileaf | http://commit-digest.org/issues/2006-08-20/moreinfo/573337/ |
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| 14:55.37 | junkY_San | how can i configure the media keys of my keyboard to control amarok? |
| 14:56.24 | logixoul | junkY_San: kcontrol->reg&acc->keyb layout->keyb model->look for yours there |
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| 14:56.51 | junkY_San | thank you! |
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| 15:04.27 | paoleela_work | logixoul: Maybe kicker dies because of too many of these warnings, and exactly the first screen kicker which had these warning first. |
| 15:04.36 | octan | why wount my keyboard use the same setting kde when i use kde + xgl & compiz. |
| 15:04.49 | octan | *as in kde |
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| 15:05.20 | octan | alt gr doesnt work |
| 15:05.23 | logixoul | paoleela_work: i have no idea, sorry. |
| 15:07.15 | smileaf | if the key doesn't work then it's probably that your xgl is not setup exactly as your X |
| 15:07.54 | octan | yea |
| 15:08.13 | octan | but i dont know how to xmodmap the keys |
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| 15:08.50 | smileaf | I've never used xgl tho so I don't have a clue as to how it does things. |
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| 15:10.36 | eskatos | octan: which window manager is in use ? |
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| 15:10.39 | octan | no, i mean, the xmodmap command is my rescue. but i dont know how to map keys with it.. didnt understan the man much. xev to get keycode |
| 15:11.05 | octan | eskatos, im in kde now.. so what do you think :P |
| 15:11.56 | smileaf | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys |
| 15:12.23 | smileaf | it's gentoo but its mostly non-distro stuff. |
| 15:12.40 | octan | i'll have a look |
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| 15:22.43 | waspius | i changed my keyboard layout and managed to enable 4 out of 8 special keys..but the sound control buttond work on mplayer but not on xxms..any help ? |
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| 15:26.50 | khaled | benJIman|work: i installed many packges missed but the last error i cannot find the package |
| 15:26.53 | khaled | are no KDE headers installed. |
| 15:27.16 | khaled | which packege for KDE headers should install |
| 15:27.46 | benJIman|work | kde development package |
| 15:28.05 | benJIman|work | khaled: what distro? |
| 15:28.25 | benJIman|work | you may also need to specify the prefix correctly ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` for kde apps |
| 15:29.15 | khaled | what do you mean distro? |
| 15:29.31 | khaled | distribution? |
| 15:30.35 | khaled | benJIman|work: i did not understad what distro mean |
| 15:30.58 | xushi | kdewallet is really starting to get into my nerves |
| 15:31.04 | benJIman|work | what distribution are you using khaled |
| 15:31.06 | xushi | it's not really as useful as it claims to be |
| 15:31.17 | khaled | sue 10.1 kde3.5 |
| 15:31.18 | xwizard | xushi: it is veeeery useful |
| 15:31.21 | khaled | suse |
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| 15:31.31 | xwizard | xushi: i love it :) |
| 15:31.56 | xushi | many, many websites or domains, such as amazon always have a different URL when you're logging in, like login.html?23434234, and everytime, kwallet doesn't pick that up, and asks me to enter the password... |
| 15:32.12 | xushi | if i enter it, it also asks to store that.. i end up with a few hundred entries in kwallet all of the same domains, and all useless too |
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| 15:32.30 | xushi | this happens with almost every site i go to which is big.. amazon, ebay, my uni, etc... |
| 15:32.30 | benJIman|work | khaled: so install the kde development package and use the prefix thing I mentioned |
| 15:32.35 | logixoul | xushi: a bugreport (and a patch, if possible) would be welcome. |
| 15:32.52 | khaled | i will try |
| 15:32.59 | xushi | logixoul: i wouldn't know where to begin to fix it, but i can submit a bugreport |
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| 15:35.31 | xushi | am i submitting for kwallet or kwalletmanager ? |
| 15:36.21 | logixoul | xushi: kwallet, i think |
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| 15:40.07 | onesandzeros | hello all. I've got *lots* of kio_http processes running. They come and go, but usually they're there. I didn't notice this before. Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 15:40.42 | logixoul | onesandzeros: no |
| 15:40.47 | drantin | anyone able to help with a skim problem? #scim is being very quiet... I've tried following both gentoo-wiki, and the gentoo guide on scim-im.org, but skim still refuses to display any input methods in the left click menu... it shows plenty of things under IMEngines in the config menu, and scim is working just fine with gtk apps... |
| 15:41.01 | onesandzeros | logixoul: normal from 3.5.4 onward? |
| 15:41.30 | logixoul | onesandzeros: it has always been normal, why? |
| 15:41.45 | onesandzeros | logixoul: I never noticed it before. I mean dozens. |
| 15:42.38 | onesandzeros | drantin: did you put stuff in ~./xprofile? |
| 15:44.20 | logixoul | onesandzeros: do you open new konquerors frequently? |
| 15:44.26 | xushi | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132750 nice |
| 15:44.33 | drantin | onesandzeros: what stuff? I didn't see any directions involving that... |
| 15:44.34 | logixoul | (or other processes that fetch things from http) |
| 15:44.45 | onesandzeros | logixoul: not new ones, no. I've usually go the same one open, with 2 dabs |
| 15:45.04 | onesandzeros | drantin: yeah... you'll need a few lines in that file I think. |
| 15:45.14 | onesandzeros | heh |
| 15:45.34 | onesandzeros | logixoul: I'm using only as a filemanager, though |
| 15:45.50 | logixoul | onesandzeros: what about webbrowsing |
| 15:46.00 | onesandzeros | no, firefox for that |
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| 15:47.30 | logixoul | onesandzeros: then it isn't normal! |
| 15:47.47 | logixoul | hmm |
| 15:47.55 | omeow | How do I format a new hard drive I installed using KDE? |
| 15:48.04 | logixoul | omeow: many ways |
| 15:48.15 | logixoul | omeow: probably your distro/os has gui tools for that |
| 15:48.16 | omeow | The easy and friendly way, please. |
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| 15:49.26 | logixoul | onesandzeros: i'll ask at #kde-devel, wait |
| 15:49.52 | onesandzeros | logixoul: ok, thanks |
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| 15:52.41 | logixoul | onesandzeros: give me the output of pstree -l -p |
| 15:52.48 | odla | is there a kde app analogous to gnome's f-spot? |
| 15:53.00 | khaled | benJIman|work: is kdevelop3 the KDE developmet package |
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| 15:53.37 | benJIman|work | khaled: no |
| 15:53.52 | logixoul | onesandzeros: no, wait, don't |
| 15:54.19 | benJIman|work | khaled: kdelibs3-devel kdebase3-devel etc |
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| 15:54.47 | smileaf | khaled: it is the kde development IDE tho |
| 15:55.32 | logixoul | odla: not sure, but maybe KPhotoAlbum (formerly KimDaBa) |
| 15:55.38 | junkY_San | i can't get "microsoft comfort curve keybord 2000 v1.0" controling amarok :/ can someone help me? |
| 15:56.20 | logixoul | junkY_San: what went wrong with what i told you to do? |
| 15:56.50 | junkY_San | logixoul: my keybord isn't listed there |
| 15:57.06 | logixoul | junkY_San: neither is mine; you have to try them one by one |
| 15:57.12 | logixoul | junkY_San: i know, it's insane. |
| 15:57.15 | logixoul | but it works. |
| 15:57.29 | logixoul | be creative! |
| 15:57.44 | logixoul | onesandzeros: okay, do it |
| 15:57.49 | junkY_San | okay, found a working one |
| 15:57.52 | benJIman|work | junkY_San: select the appropriate keyboard layout in kcontrol first |
| 15:57.57 | benJIman|work | junkY_San: any microsoft one should work |
| 15:58.06 | logixoul | benJIman|work: not really |
| 15:58.13 | logixoul | benJIman|work: no ms keyboards worked for me |
| 15:58.34 | benJIman|work | logixoul: all the microsoft keyboards i've used have the same keycodes for multimedia |
| 15:58.42 | benJIman|work | try using the multimedia wireless 1a layout |
| 15:58.49 | benJIman|work | works on my ms4000 and my multimedia naturals |
| 15:58.58 | logixoul | benJIman|work: but my keyboard is not a microsoft one. |
| 15:59.14 | benJIman|work | logixoul: no but junkY_San 's is |
| 15:59.33 | logixoul | oh! sorry, that's right. |
| 15:59.35 | benJIman|work | so it should work by selecting a model from kcontrol |
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| 15:59.56 | onesandzeros | logixoul: thanks. where shall I paste this? |
| 16:00.25 | logixoul | onesandzeros: it's a shell command. do you know what this means? |
| 16:00.31 | onesandzeros | yeah, i mean the output |
| 16:00.46 | logixoul | onesandzeros: :) good. http://cut.and.paste.org |
| 16:02.14 | onesandzeros | logixoul: here we go: http://cut.and.paste.org/pastebin/index.php?id=35 |
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| 16:02.42 | tribule | is there a way to get kde to display fonts from multiple charsets simultaneously? for example, english, chinese, japanese, arabic etc...? |
| 16:02.52 | onesandzeros | a bit hard to read, actually |
| 16:03.07 | onesandzeros | tribule: firefox will do it for me |
| 16:03.23 | tribule | onesandzeros: I am talking konquerer, not firefox |
| 16:03.32 | onesandzeros | ah... I don't know |
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| 16:03.40 | onesandzeros | logixoul: lemme know if you want me to paste that somewhere else |
| 16:05.10 | logixoul | onesandzeros: okay, that's what i expected. i'm waiting for other replies over there now. |
| 16:05.36 | onesandzeros | ok, thanks |
| 16:06.39 | onesandzeros | wow, there's a 3.5.5 in the works |
| 16:07.17 | logixoul | onesandzeros: yes |
| 16:07.44 | odla | hrm this weather applet doesn't work for me, i select a city and when i click update on the applet it tells me no station found |
| 16:08.13 | octan | does kde overwrite the xkb "xorg" rules? for the keyboard? |
| 16:08.20 | onesandzeros | drantin: you making any progress there? |
| 16:09.44 | onesandzeros | is 4.0 far enough away to make a 3.5.6 possible? I'm pretty content with 3.5.4, really... |
| 16:09.57 | odla | logixoul: thanks, that program is very similar to f-spot |
| 16:10.11 | logixoul | odla: i'm glad |
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| 16:10.36 | logixoul | onesandzeros: most certainly there will be no 3.5.6 |
| 16:10.52 | octan | haha speculations |
| 16:10.56 | onesandzeros | just wondering |
| 16:10.58 | logixoul | yes, true. |
| 16:11.07 | onesandzeros | 4.0 is a ways off though, no? |
| 16:11.11 | junkY_San | i can't find a keyboard in that lists which enables all my multimedia-buttons |
| 16:11.23 | logixoul | onesandzeros: about Q1 2007 |
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| 16:11.38 | onesandzeros | ah, that's not that bad really. major changes, right? |
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| 16:12.05 | logixoul | junkY_San: you do know you have to set up amarok's global shortcuts, right? |
| 16:12.08 | logixoul | onesandzeros: sure |
| 16:12.27 | octan | junkY_San, hehe welcome in tha club ;p u cant find my alt gr key.. well xgl will not recon it for some reason, |
| 16:12.38 | octan | *I |
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| 16:12.48 | octan | it suxz |
| 16:12.50 | minciNashu | help: does anyone in here know how to make the background of a moodin theme to be stretched ? |
| 16:13.02 | logixoul | octan: you forgot to say lol. |
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| 16:13.07 | khaled | benJIman|work: thank you , it is working fine now |
| 16:13.13 | octan | cos alt gr + 2 = @ .. which i know i have to copy and paste it |
| 16:13.24 | logixoul | minciNashu: yes, change the images (probably) |
| 16:13.28 | octan | *know/now |
| 16:13.45 | minciNashu | well i use 1152x864 res and the bg is 1152x864 |
| 16:14.08 | minciNashu | but the bg appears smaller |
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| 16:14.21 | logixoul | how smaller? |
| 16:14.31 | octan | erm.. damn keys. not right at all.. |
| 16:14.33 | junkY_San | logixoul: of course, that's the way i test the keys |
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| 16:15.14 | logixoul | junkY_San: and you tested all models? |
| 16:16.05 | octan | logixoul, when i change the model for the keyboard. do i have to restart kde after i applyed it? |
| 16:16.09 | logixoul | octan: no |
| 16:16.09 | minciNashu | logixoul: id say that th image appears at 800x600 |
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| 16:16.32 | minciNashu | though it 1152 and so is the res i use |
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| 16:16.33 | minciNashu | it has black borders |
| 16:16.51 | octan | hehe,, i use 1600 x 1200 :) |
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| 16:17.05 | octan | ws :P |
| 16:17.29 | logixoul | minciNashu: i've used only one moodin theme until now and it was fine. i can't help you. |
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| 16:18.14 | minciNashu | isnt there any sdk or somethin like that / |
| 16:18.30 | logixoul | minciNashu: no sdk for moodin |
| 16:18.44 | minciNashu | so how do they make the themes ? |
| 16:19.00 | logixoul | minciNashu: manually, by reading a tutorial or something |
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| 16:19.05 | minciNashu | ok |
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| 16:20.44 | onesandzeros | logixoul: I've gotta be away from the keyboard for a while |
| 16:20.52 | logixoul | okay |
| 16:20.58 | onesandzeros | any info from the other channel? |
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| 16:22.55 | logixoul | no, wouldn've told you |
| 16:23.06 | logixoul | s/wouldn/would/ |
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| 16:25.21 | onesandzeros | got it |
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| 16:42.10 | logixoul | onesandzeros: i won't get a reply, sorry. ask at a forum or something. |
| 16:42.37 | onesandzeros | logixoul: ok, thanks for the help |
| 16:43.03 | onesandzeros | drantin: any progress? |
| 16:43.20 | drantin | nope |
| 16:44.33 | logixoul | onesandzeros: there is a simple thing you could try |
| 16:44.47 | logixoul | onesandzeros: Gotta kill 'em all! |
| 16:44.54 | logixoul | (the processes) |
| 16:45.05 | logixoul | (the kio-http ones) |
| 16:45.12 | logixoul | Then see what part of the system malfunctions. |
| 16:45.54 | drantin | can't figure out why the config lists several input methods, but then the left click menu won't list any for selections... |
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| 16:46.31 | logixoul | drantin: you were trying to get skim working in kword, weren't you? |
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| 16:46.45 | drantin | that's one place i'd like... |
| 16:46.57 | drantin | also switched to konversation, and i'd like it here too... |
| 16:47.12 | drantin | scim still works in gtk apps just fine... |
| 16:47.18 | drantin | but skim is giving problems... |
| 16:47.55 | logixoul | drantin: as apparently you haven't got any useful info here, try at #koffice, #konversation and #scim |
| 16:48.13 | drantin | tried #scim but not getting any responses... |
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| 16:49.44 | xwizard | back :) |
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| 16:52.51 | androide | hello, i'm trying to make a dvd video with k3b |
| 16:52.54 | androide | but i want a single track |
| 16:53.06 | androide | when i go to "project" "new dvd video" |
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| 16:53.18 | androide | it show the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS directory |
| 16:53.24 | androide | but i have the mpg already encoded |
| 16:53.28 | androide | how i make the prject? |
| 16:53.39 | YuuKajima | click burn? o.o |
| 16:53.54 | androide | mm... |
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| 16:54.05 | androide | where i must put the video |
| 16:54.08 | androide | that i mean |
| 16:54.14 | drantin | will it hurt to have an empty AUDIO_TS folder? i seem to recall seeing professional DVDs like that... |
| 16:54.24 | androide | coz in the VIDEO_TS are the .vob files |
| 16:54.47 | drantin | rename the mpeg to a .vob ... |
| 16:55.02 | androide | drantin, no, it's no problem leave the AUDIO_TS empty |
| 16:55.10 | androide | it uses when you have more than 1 adio for the movie |
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| 16:55.17 | androide | [like, spanish and english] |
| 16:55.20 | drantin | was asking because i thought that's what he meant... |
| 16:55.25 | drantin | not making one myself... |
| 16:55.31 | androide | ou |
| 16:55.34 | androide | not me |
| 16:55.40 | drantin | er.. you meant |
| 16:55.48 | drantin | 'k then... |
| 16:55.49 | androide | i just want a single track for the dvd |
| 16:55.52 | androide | without menu |
| 16:55.56 | androide | but i don't know how |
| 16:55.57 | androide | :S |
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| 17:07.03 | xwizard | where can i find kopete? is it in separate package? |
| 17:08.29 | teatime | xwizard: I think it's still in kdenetwork |
| 17:09.57 | icwiener | http://kopete.kde.org/releases.php Here it can be downloaded but your distri should have packages as well. |
| 17:11.53 | logixoul | teatime: "still"? |
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| 17:11.58 | xwizard | icwiener: i think it has |
| 17:12.13 | icwiener | xwizard: What distri? |
| 17:12.21 | xwizard | freebsd |
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| 17:12.49 | icwiener | Oh, ok. Nothing I know much about. ;) |
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| 17:13.44 | xwizard | great :| i need to rebuild kde network by myself, cuz kopete is optional |
| 17:15.32 | icwiener | Sounds like a long term thing. :) I found something about a kdenetwork-kopete-0.11 port. Sound independent to me. Maybe there is a 0.12 port as well. |
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| 17:19.00 | icwiener | xwizard: http://freebsd.kde.org/ |
| 17:19.31 | icwiener | Cite: "The KDE multi-protocol instant messenger, Kopete, has been moved out of the net/kdenetwork3 port and is now available separately asnet-im/kopete." |
| 17:20.29 | xwizard | :| |
| 17:20.32 | xwizard | when i tried to portinstall kopete it told me no such port |
| 17:20.35 | xwizard | damn! |
| 17:21.24 | xwizard | btw, thanks icwiener :) |
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| 17:22.29 | icwiener | sure, sorry for not knowing more about ports and packages. :D |
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| 17:24.03 | bjames | I've got a problem - I want to use a precompiled library with my kdevelop project, however it doesn't seem to link. I've added the library to the project and moved the library file into the source directory |
| 17:24.08 | bjames | any ideas anyone?? |
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| 17:27.01 | bjames | does anyone here use kdevelop> |
| 17:27.02 | bjames | ?? |
| 17:27.36 | xwizard | i use vim :P |
| 17:28.49 | bjames | xwizard: can I ask you a simple question about kdevelop in the hope you might know? |
| 17:29.21 | xwizard | bjames: shoot :) |
| 17:29.30 | xwizard | i've seen it once or twice |
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| 17:30.58 | bjames | I'm writing an application and want to use a precompiled library file - I've added the header file to the project and move the library file to the source directory, however when I run it doesn't link with the library file. I don't know how to tell kdevelop to link with the library file |
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| 17:31.27 | bjames | it's defiantely a linking problem as the error is during the linking |
| 17:32.01 | xwizard | hmm.. did you try to link it manually? |
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| 17:32.22 | bjames | xwixard: how? |
| 17:32.29 | bjames | xwizard: how? |
| 17:32.33 | xwizard | o_O |
| 17:32.49 | bjames | ? |
| 17:32.51 | xwizard | bjames: man ld , iirc |
| 17:33.24 | xwizard | bjames: it is not hard |
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| 17:33.43 | bjames | xwizard: I can do it on the command line, however I want to do it for the project |
| 17:33.54 | xwizard | i know |
| 17:34.05 | bjames | my problem is I don't know where to add the information in kdevelop |
| 17:34.16 | xwizard | but this is kdevelop related and i don't know how to solve it |
| 17:34.33 | xwizard | so you can try to link it manually to see if it works |
| 17:34.58 | bjames | ok, I'll go back and try that |
| 17:35.02 | bjames | cheers for the advice |
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| 17:35.05 | bjames | I should have thought |
| 17:35.15 | bjames | in the end I want to get it set up so I can just hit build |
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| 17:44.59 | kendwork | quick question - what bug tracking tool is used at bugs.kde.org ? |
| 17:45.03 | kendwork | it's not bugzilla, right? |
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| 17:47.08 | drantin | can k3b submit items to freedb? |
| 17:47.34 | kendwork | i'd be surprised if it couldn't. dunno for sure (at work, on XP :( ) |
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| 17:48.35 | drantin | having trouble finding the option... |
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| 17:51.19 | SimAtWork | xp at work is terrible :( |
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| 17:51.23 | kendwork | yeah :( |
| 17:51.26 | SimAtWork | kendwork: I AM DISAPOINTED YOU |
| 17:51.27 | kendwork | i miss kde whenever i'm in XP |
| 17:51.28 | SimAtWork | err in you |
| 17:51.32 | kendwork | hehe |
| 17:51.41 | SimAtWork | set up nx server at home |
| 17:51.44 | kendwork | talk to ... motorola, sun, sprint, nokia, qualcomm ... |
| 17:51.45 | SimAtWork | and nx client to connecto to home |
| 17:51.52 | kendwork | hehe |
| 17:51.54 | SimAtWork | you develop software for cell phones? |
| 17:51.57 | kendwork | yeah :/ |
| 17:52.01 | kendwork | i mean. yeah! :^) |
| 17:52.08 | SimAtWork | did you see the recent announcement from trolltech!?!?! |
| 17:52.13 | kendwork | yeah. |
| 17:52.15 | SimAtWork | are you going to get one of their phone/dev packages? |
| 17:52.19 | SimAtWork | i'm eager to see what it's all about |
| 17:52.22 | kendwork | once there's a multimillion dollar market of linux phones, get back to me. |
| 17:52.25 | SimAtWork | but i dunno if i want to spend that kinda $ |
| 17:52.25 | kendwork | trust me... i'm waiting :) |
| 17:52.30 | kendwork | $600? no |
| 17:52.35 | SimAtWork | is that all it is? |
| 17:52.35 | kendwork | i could buy 3 GP2Xes :) |
| 17:52.46 | kendwork | or $675, i forget. |
| 17:52.49 | SimAtWork | i thought you had to get the 3,000 one. |
| 17:52.50 | SimAtWork | wow |
| 17:52.52 | SimAtWork | that's pretty sweet |
| 17:52.54 | kendwork | i'll stick to zaurus. which i never use now :)( |
| 17:52.59 | kendwork | err.. :( |
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| 17:54.09 | kendwork | ok, gotta go to a meeting! cya! |
| 17:54.12 | rdale | i'm assuming 680 euros is for commerical developement, and a Free Software greenphone would be so much |
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| 17:59.42 | SimAtWork | oh 680 euros |
| 17:59.48 | SimAtWork | so about 1500 cdn :) |
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| 18:01.21 | junkY_San | is there a way to combine firefox with kget? |
| 18:01.31 | unity | hey, i have 4 desktops right now. if i increase this to 20, will there be a noticable effect on ram usage? |
| 18:01.41 | _mariux | no |
| 18:01.58 | unity | junkY_San: i think i saw something like that in kde-apps.org or something |
| 18:02.34 | unity | junkY_San: although now that i'm searching for it, i don't see it |
| 18:02.45 | logixoul | junkY_San: what happened with your mm keyboard? |
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| 18:03.16 | logixoul | unity: http://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+kget , first result ;) |
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| 18:04.12 | astal | hi |
| 18:04.16 | unity | logixoul: aha, i was searching on the wrong kde-*.org site |
| 18:04.24 | logixoul | astal: hi! are you tsdgeos? |
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| 18:04.59 | logixoul | unity: more like, they posted it at the wron kde-*.org site :) |
| 18:05.00 | jacob | Can someone help me with pinentry-qt and kontact? |
| 18:05.07 | logixoul | s/wron/wrong/ |
| 18:05.20 | jacob | I used to have it working, but now whenever I view an encrypted mail it says the pw is wrong (without asking for the pw) |
| 18:05.22 | junkY_San | logixoul: works now |
| 18:05.28 | junkY_San | thanks |
| 18:05.30 | jacob | the key works fine in thunderbird |
| 18:05.31 | unity | thanks for that correction apt... |
| 18:05.42 | jacob | Any tips? |
| 18:05.58 | unity | apt needs to be reconfigured so that it doesn't do that |
| 18:06.22 | logixoul | unity: why? |
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| 18:06.46 | unity | are windows that are on other desktops considered "exposed"? like, does X refresh them even though i can't see them? |
| 18:07.24 | unity | logixoul: because it doesn't contribute to the conversation and it tends to put more hilighted text on the screen, which is distracting |
| 18:08.01 | xwizard | apt: logixoul |
| 18:08.03 | apt | logixoul is, like, n00b |
| 18:08.20 | xwizard | ;) |
| 18:08.26 | xwizard | don't be angry |
| 18:08.46 | logixoul | unity: i tend to parse apt's corrections more easily than things like s/x/y/, but that's just me ;) |
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| 18:09.52 | unity | actually, come to think of it, it depends on the circumstances |
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| 18:10.00 | unity | for example: |
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| 18:10.20 | unity | gnome is the best desktop environment |
| 18:10.24 | unity | s/gnome/kde/ |
| 18:10.42 | unity | see that changed the sentence altogether and apt made it clear |
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| 18:10.57 | xwizard | or, apt is stupid bot |
| 18:10.58 | unity | whereas a small mispelling need not be emphasized liket hat |
| 18:11.06 | xwizard | s/apt/bot |
| 18:11.17 | unity | you need a slash at the end |
| 18:11.22 | xwizard | s/apt/bot/ |
| 18:11.29 | xwizard | :D |
| 18:11.33 | xwizard | hehe |
| 18:11.49 | unity | and that of course is another problem |
| 18:11.56 | unity | it can correct the wrong one |
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| 18:13.21 | unity | it would save a lot internet bandwidth useless stuff like that were removed from tarballs |
| 18:13.36 | unity | well, production tarballs |
| 18:14.06 | unity | like the ones portage fetches. no one reads the README or INSTALL files from tarballs that portage fetches |
| 18:14.13 | unity | i think i will end my rant here |
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| 18:17.21 | SimAtWork | i don't think text files are really an issue unity |
| 18:17.26 | SimAtWork | seeing that they compress so well |
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| 18:17.38 | SimAtWork | and bandwith isn't really all that sacred right now either. |
| 18:17.45 | SimAtWork | in fact, i expect it to get less so. |
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| 18:18.30 | unity | hmm you're probably right |
| 18:18.41 | unity | i am the kind of person that likes to optimize everything |
| 18:18.46 | unity | so sometimes i say things without thinking |
| 18:18.53 | SimAtWork | be nice if people made it at least a little more important though |
| 18:19.05 | SimAtWork | probably be able to get 1-2% more out of our connections |
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| 18:21.37 | unity | i'm the kind of person that would complain about running ./configure twice for two complies when both ./configure scripts check mostly the same things |
| 18:21.49 | unity | (yes i am aware that there is a way to avoid that) |
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| 18:27.57 | xwizard | hahahaha |
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| 18:30.33 | xwizard | SAngeli: something is not right with your xchat |
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| 18:47.11 | logixoul | unity: CMake will no longer INSTALL and all that shit fortunately. |
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| 18:47.24 | logixoul | "no longer require", i mean |
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| 18:52.38 | XVampireX | Ah |
| 18:52.45 | XVampireX | Got 2 things to say |
| 18:52.52 | XVampireX | 1. How's CMake? |
| 18:53.20 | XVampireX | Actually, just one :P |
| 18:54.27 | unity | in Kdevelop, is there a nice way of opening up the header and going straight to where a given macro is defined? (or #define'd constant) ? |
| 18:54.52 | unity | i am using this constant in a C program: None |
| 18:55.01 | unity | and i want to know what it's value is |
| 18:55.16 | unity | (probably 0 but just making sure) |
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| 18:56.30 | logixoul | unity: there is an easy (but not nice) way |
| 18:56.55 | unity | logixoul: well maybe i can determine how "nice" it is |
| 18:57.23 | logixoul | unity: do a full-text search for #define None (but this is obvious, so i'm prolly missing something) |
| 18:57.26 | unity | (i hope it's not grep) |
| 18:57.30 | logixoul | heh |
| 18:57.47 | unity | have you ever used visual basic 2005? |
| 18:57.50 | unity | the ide? |
| 18:58.07 | unity | it's pretty nice, it pulls up function prototypes as you're typing them out |
| 18:58.17 | benJIman | doesn't just do that for VB |
| 18:58.23 | benJIman | and who'd use vb.net when there's c# I don't know |
| 18:58.24 | unity | (although it does it in the main thread and severly slows down) |
| 18:58.34 | TeaSea | unity: {Visual Basic} n { Nice } = { null } |
| 18:58.47 | TeaSea | sorry, I meant u instead of n. |
| 18:59.04 | unity | i know, i was just using that as an example to show what i mean |
| 18:59.08 | logixoul | unity: I've been told Visual Basic 2005 is really user-friendly, yes. |
| 18:59.10 | unity | is there something like that for kdevelop? |
| 18:59.31 | logixoul | unity: there is KScope, but I'm unsure if that's what you need. |
| 18:59.36 | benJIman | kdevelop does code completion, not as sophisticated as VS2005's , it's better in trunk though |
| 19:00.01 | benJIman | monodevelop will do it for c#, and eclipse for java |
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| 19:04.10 | unity | and is there a way to automatically beautify source code? |
| 19:04.25 | benJIman | most editors can do that |
| 19:04.34 | unity | as-you-type? |
| 19:04.46 | tuxick | kate does a decent job |
| 19:04.46 | unity | cause i just pasted a lot of code into kdevelop and it came out butchered |
| 19:05.03 | tuxick | kdevelop default editor is kate, no? |
| 19:05.15 | unity | so i was hoping for a non as-you-type beautifier |
| 19:05.17 | drantin | thought kate used kwrite... |
| 19:05.32 | unity | i think they all use ktextpart or something |
| 19:06.00 | logixoul | katepart, in fact |
| 19:07.43 | teatime | unity: using ctags, kdevelop can navigate to the macro definition |
| 19:09.02 | unity | teatime: thanks, installing it now |
| 19:09.17 | teatime | unity: and Edit->Reformat Source gives you an astyle based "beautifyer" |
| 19:09.40 | dansushi | i'm having a problem logging in to my user with kde. I type in my username and password (and i know that i typed it in right- it works in the console) but when it looks like it's about to log me in, it brings me back to the login screen. Does anyone have any idea what's wrong? Someone please help me! |
| 19:09.49 | teatime | works on the selection if there is one, and the entire file if not |
| 19:09.58 | unity | teatime: thanks, exactly what i was looking for |
| 19:10.00 | teatime | unity: btw: #kdevelop :) |
| 19:10.07 | unity | teatime: sorry, i was looking under tools instead of edit |
| 19:10.15 | teatime | yeah, so was I... |
| 19:10.22 | teatime | someone moved it :) |
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| 19:18.13 | XVampireX | is KDE going to completely ditch dcop in KDE4? |
| 19:18.46 | Pinaraf | XVampireX: yes, DBUS will be used instead |
| 19:18.57 | XVampireX | :-/ |
| 19:19.04 | logixoul | what's wrong? |
| 19:19.05 | Pinaraf | XVampireX: what's the problem ? |
| 19:19.12 | XVampireX | Don't know :P |
| 19:19.15 | logixoul | ... |
| 19:19.17 | XVampireX | if dcop was developed for so long |
| 19:19.25 | XVampireX | No chance of using it some other way? |
| 19:19.36 | Pinaraf | DCOP is fully replaced by DBUS |
| 19:19.38 | logixoul | No need for using it some other way. |
| 19:19.46 | Pinaraf | and DBUS has more features than DCOP |
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| 19:29.47 | drantin | octan: if nothing else works, try xbindkeys |
| 19:30.03 | octan | hu? |
| 19:31.46 | octan | drantin, what? how does that work with the mose? |
| 19:31.53 | octan | *mice |
| 19:32.27 | drantin | xbindkeys works with all input.. |
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| 20:08.11 | xwizard | hi. how can i download oxygen icons :> ? |
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| 20:12.57 | PhilRod | xwizard: not ready yet. If you want to help create them, perhaps try #kde-artists |
| 20:12.58 | logixoul | xwizard: checkout |
| 20:13.37 | logixoul | PhilRod: in fact, a bunch of them are in decent stage ;) |
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| 20:14.18 | PhilRod | ISTR the webpage says something like "don't package the current icons" (ie, they're not ready) |
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| 20:15.55 | xwizard | ok, so i'll stay with os-l |
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| 20:17.41 | logixoul | PhilRod: okay, though I guess it would be fine if the created package is not distributed. |
| 20:17.45 | Aardwolf | hey, about this game "lieutenant skat" that comes with KDE, about the computer opponent: if I lay a club ace, and the computer has a club 7 and a club queen, then normally it should lay the club 7 because that one is worth less points so it loses less points. However, it drops the club queen instead, because under it is a good card while under the 7 is a bad card. But normally, you can't know what card is under it. But appearantly the comp |
| 20:17.45 | Aardwolf | uter does! Sort of bad AI imho |
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| 20:20.22 | logixoul | Aardwolf: ask at #lieutenant-skat-suggestions-ai-dropping-clubs-unfortunately-broken-or-at-least-really-bad , the folks there are always ready to help! |
| 20:20.50 | PhilRod | Aardwolf: probably best to file a bug, or maybe see if someone in #kde-devel knows anything about lskat |
| 20:20.53 | Aardwolf | #lieutenant-skat-suggestions-ai-dropping-clubs-unfortunately-broken-or-at-least-really-bad :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable |
| 20:21.09 | PhilRod | "temporarily" - I like it |
| 20:21.14 | Aardwolf | looks like that channel is temporary unavailable, during that time maybe the people here can help? :D |
| 20:21.42 | logixoul | well, I guess I'll let this one go... but only this time! |
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| 20:22.09 | logixoul | is L. Skat a card game? |
| 20:22.13 | Aardwolf | uhu |
| 20:22.30 | Aardwolf | well never mind it's not that important I guess :D |
| 20:22.43 | Aardwolf | at least KDE hasn't got the newest idiotic GTK+ "feature" |
| 20:23.05 | logixoul | has it ever? |
| 20:24.08 | Aardwolf | a menu that has a huge empty field, while the contents are instead below the screen with a "handy" scroll button available to make that what should have been in the empty space visible, and they call it a feature and design decision instead of a bug |
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| 20:25.11 | logixoul | Aardwolf: is this in KDE 3.5.4? I've never seen it. |
| 20:25.55 | Aardwolf | erm never mind, it's a gtk thing, shouldn't have mentioned it here |
| 20:28.56 | logixoul | Is anybody here familiar with Windows Explorer Vista's and Dolphin's clickable navigation bar? |
| 20:29.19 | Aardwolf | Dolphins? |
| 20:29.39 | drantin | dolphin == gamecube? |
| 20:29.40 | logixoul | Dolphin is a file manager that I'm a developer of. Want a link? |
| 20:29.46 | logixoul | drantin: wtf :) |
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| 20:30.16 | logixoul | Aardwolf: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40491 |
| 20:30.25 | Caster | how to launch something graphical from konsole so that it isn't tied to the terminal? |
| 20:30.28 | Aardwolf | cool, a new file manager? multiplatform? :) |
| 20:30.33 | hagabaka | when you copy a link containing space from conversation, it gives you an actual space instead of %20. |
| 20:30.50 | logixoul | Aardwolf: as multiplatform as Konqueror |
| 20:31.03 | PhilRod | Caster: nohup (see man nohup) |
| 20:31.21 | PhilRod | or "disown" (see man bash) |
| 20:31.28 | Aardwolf | hmm let me think, what platforms do I know Konqueror to work in... |
| 20:31.35 | hagabaka | err...from Konqueror |
| 20:31.39 | Caster | PhilRod: I want it to be like when running from alt-f2, so that kicker is parent... thought there would be something for that |
| 20:32.12 | PhilRod | Caster: maybe you can do it with dcop |
| 20:32.12 | logixoul | Caster: commandName & |
| 20:32.32 | Caster | & stays as bash's job |
| 20:32.33 | xwizard | Caster: yeah |
| 20:32.40 | PhilRod | Caster: what exactly do you mean by "not tied to the terminal"? |
| 20:32.44 | xwizard | it works under csh too |
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| 20:33.14 | Caster | PhilRod: I mean that bash wouldn't execute it directly but just tell some KDE part to run it |
| 20:33.36 | Aardwolf | Does Dolphin have the option to have a little command line thingie that executes what you type in the current directory you're in? That would be a genious feature :) |
| 20:33.54 | PhilRod | Caster: dcop then |
| 20:33.58 | PhilRod | take a look in kdcop |
| 20:34.03 | PhilRod | ~dcoptut |
| 20:34.11 | apt | it has been said that dcoptut is http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/36/KDE_Scripting_DCOP.pdf |
| 20:34.27 | hagabaka | hmm, that's just like the GTK file chooser dialog? |
| 20:35.00 | logixoul | Aardvark: can you give me an example use? |
| 20:35.33 | PhilRod | apt: no, dcoptut is <reply>Information on getting started with DCOP: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/36/KDE_Scripting_DCOP.pdf and http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/scripting-the-desktop.html |
| 20:35.34 | apt | PhilRod: okay |
| 20:36.09 | logixoul | i mean Aardwolf :) |
| 20:37.02 | Aardwolf | hmm ok, I usually use Konqueror now, and very often I find myself right clicking and using "action ->open terminal here" |
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| 20:37.26 | benJIman | I use control-t |
| 20:37.26 | Aardwolf | so if there were like a little command line inside it, the same way as seen in Kate, I could type it in there instead :) |
| 20:37.35 | logixoul | benJIman: me too |
| 20:37.40 | Aardwolf | hmm I didn't know about ctrl-t |
| 20:37.43 | benJIman | which used to be open terminal, before they bound it to open tab in kde 3.x |
| 20:37.45 | Aardwolf | good to know :D |
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| 20:37.49 | Aardwolf | heh |
| 20:37.50 | benJIman | now it's f4 or something |
| 20:37.59 | benJIman | one of the first shortcuts I change back |
| 20:38.02 | benJIman | got too used to it |
| 20:38.10 | Aardwolf | does anyone use konqueror as internet browser? |
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| 20:38.16 | logixoul | yes, I do |
| 20:38.28 | Aardwolf | I've tried it once, but gave up when I found that it tries to save most .html pages to the hard disk instead of displaying them |
| 20:38.52 | logixoul | Aardwolf: never happened to me |
| 20:39.05 | logixoul | Aardwolf: give me a test link that does this |
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| 20:39.21 | PhilRod | Aardwolf: your html settings have got broken somehow |
| 20:39.24 | Aardwolf | um actually :o |
| 20:39.30 | Aardwolf | I just opened google in it and it went fine |
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| 20:39.36 | Aardwolf | then I typed "apple" in google, and pressed "search" |
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| 20:39.59 | Aardwolf | now I get a window "open ....?" "save as..." "open with kwrite..." |
| 20:40.19 | logixoul | Aardwolf: seems like your mimetype associations are messed up |
| 20:40.34 | Aardwolf | hmm, how could that have happened, I've never done anything to them |
| 20:40.49 | PhilRod | Aardwolf: does ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/text/html.desktop exist? |
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| 20:41.12 | PhilRod | you can also try with a new user to see if it's a problem with user config or systemwide |
| 20:41.29 | illogical | aloha phil |
| 20:41.34 | Aardwolf | yes, it exists, it contains 2 lines: |
| 20:41.36 | Aardwolf | [Desktop Entry] |
| 20:41.36 | Aardwolf | X-KDE-AutoEmbed=false |
| 20:41.51 | logixoul | Aardwolf: should be true |
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| 20:42.55 | Aardwolf | cool, I just set it to true and it works now |
| 20:43.03 | Aardwolf | thanks :) |
| 20:43.18 | PhilRod | hiya illogical - 'sup? |
| 20:43.45 | illogical | PhilRod: nm. contemplating Ireland. |
| 20:44.18 | Aardwolf | I'm going to check out how Konqueror handles java... both firefox and opera have a disadvantage when it comes to playing java applet games :) |
| 20:44.50 | logixoul | (repost) Is anybody here familiar with Windows Explorer Vista's and Dolphin's clickable navigation bar? |
| 20:46.02 | PhilRod | illogical: are you going to akademy? |
| 20:46.23 | illogical | PhilRod: That's what I'm trying to decide now :-) |
| 20:46.53 | illogical | I'd found a place to stay back in the summer but didn't bother booking at the time. |
| 20:47.06 | illogical | just in case I changed my mind/couldn't go. |
| 20:47.36 | illogical | looks like I'll have time. but do I reaaally want to go, or go for the whole week? |
| 20:48.10 | PhilRod | I'd quite like to go, but I start my PhD the week after, and I don't have any money |
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| 20:50.13 | illogical | I've some money but I'm not sure I want to blow it all on a trip to Ireland in Sept. |
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| 20:51.45 | PhilRod | not the most convenient time to be attempting to fly across the Atlantic either :-/ |
| 20:52.07 | illogical | meh. I could care less about the scary terrorists. |
| 20:52.16 | illogical | I'm more scared o' lightening. |
| 20:52.54 | illogical | I swore my plane was gonna crash when I was flying to Jamaica the last time and we hit a lightning storm. |
| 20:53.03 | illogical | nearly crapped myself. |
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| 21:30.48 | XVampireX | Hmm |
| 21:30.58 | XVampireX | What's KPhysics about? |
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| 21:31.04 | XVampireX | http://code.google.com/soc/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=9694A349D1C04E0C |
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| 21:32.04 | kad_ | hi |
| 21:32.11 | PhilRod | hi kad_ |
| 21:32.16 | Renze | XVampireX: um, physics perhaps? |
| 21:32.26 | XVampireX | What kinda physics? |
| 21:32.29 | XVampireX | I don't get it |
| 21:32.32 | kad_ | how can I save the parameter "no borders" for windows in kde |
| 21:32.34 | XVampireX | How is it related to KDE ? :P |
| 21:32.44 | Renze | simulating the effects of the laws of physics |
| 21:32.45 | PhilRod | XVampireX: uh, it's a KDE app |
| 21:32.49 | kad_ | I set no border for an application (in this case xterm) but this informtion is not saved |
| 21:32.52 | XVampireX | Right |
| 21:33.02 | kad_ | so when I restart xterm, I have again the border |
| 21:33.07 | kad_ | anyone have an idea ? |
| 21:33.10 | PhilRod | XVampireX: you can probably find it in svn in playground if you really want to know |
| 21:33.12 | Renze | kad_: right click titlebar, Advanced -> Special Window Settings |
| 21:33.19 | XVampireX | playground? |
| 21:33.33 | PhilRod | XVampireX: it's the name of a module in kde svn |
| 21:33.36 | kad_ | mmm ok renze |
| 21:33.38 | kad_ | thanks |
| 21:33.44 | Renze | no problem |
| 21:33.47 | XVampireX | Don't know :P |
| 21:33.55 | kad_ | wow I can change the geometry, very very nice : |
| 21:33.56 | kad_ | :) |
| 21:34.05 | Renze | kad_: you can change almost everything |
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| 21:39.40 | kad_ | yes I see that |
| 21:39.40 | kad_ | I'm testing the new kde, very very good |
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| 21:43.21 | XVampireX | http://code.google.com/soc/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=1F587222C2BBB5F4 |
| 21:43.36 | XVampireX | Hmm? |
| 21:43.42 | XVampireX | The new KDE already has alot of functionality? :P |
| 21:44.48 | PhilRod | huh? |
| 21:45.18 | XVampireX | "[00:33] <kad_> wow I can change the geometry, very very nice :" |
| 21:45.57 | XVampireX | Any of you KDE developers want to try and develop a good Daemon Tools replacer? |
| 21:46.00 | XVampireX | for KDE |
| 21:46.05 | Renze | XVampireX: it would be helpful if you prefixed your messages with the name of the intended recipient, it would lead to less confusion |
| 21:46.37 | XVampireX | Aardwolf: KDE4 will have kwin do that |
| 21:46.49 | Aardwolf | what's kwin? |
| 21:46.55 | XVampireX | kde window manager |
| 21:47.09 | Aardwolf | how will it do it if X doesn't really support it yet? |
| 21:47.14 | PhilRod | Aardwolf: you can get translucent windows in current kde. I think there's a nice howto about it in the gentoo wiki |
| 21:47.21 | XVampireX | KDE4 will have its own Compiz like thing :) |
| 21:47.26 | Renze | Aardwolf: then go complain in #xorg :D |
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| 21:48.45 | XVampireX | PhilRod: True, but not everyone uses gentoo, and some people know that the current system for real transparency/translucency is bugged :P |
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| 21:49.24 | PhilRod | XVampireX: IIRC most of the howto isn't gentoo specific |
| 21:49.33 | XVampireX | Oh, hehe |
| 21:49.35 | Renze | XVampireX: the Gentoo wiki information can be easily utilised by other distros, at least by anyone with a brain |
| 21:49.39 | PhilRod | agreed that the current translucency support isn't that great |
| 21:49.49 | XVampireX | Okey |
| 21:50.00 | PhilRod | still, it'll do translucent windows, which is what Aardwolf wants |
| 21:50.14 | XVampireX | "* Save and restore sessions while running KDE, without having to logout" |
| 21:50.25 | XVampireX | Nice feature... it's in one of the KDE SoC projects :P |
| 21:50.27 | Aardwolf | hmm well maybe it's what I mean, I mean alpha transparency, not just the background showing through :) |
| 21:50.31 | Renze | saving can already be done with dcop |
| 21:50.55 | PhilRod | Aardwolf: it is indeed what you mean |
| 21:51.10 | PhilRod | like I say, go search the gentoo wiki |
| 21:51.18 | Renze | Aardwolf: the X composite extension can already do that, assuming you have a halfway decend video card |
| 21:51.38 | Aardwolf | I don't now if geforce 3 can still be called decent |
| 21:51.45 | Renze | that'll do it fine |
| 21:51.46 | PhilRod | Renze: I think the SoC project does stuff like having sessions as "bookmarks" that you can save and reload at will |
| 21:52.00 | Renze | PhilRod: I can see where that could be useful |
| 21:52.25 | PhilRod | (err, something in my mind says that's the case, although I don't really remember reading about it specifically) |
| 21:52.32 | PhilRod | I could just be talking nonsense |
| 21:52.44 | Renze | although killing all the existing apps that aren't part of the session could get messy :D |
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| 21:54.56 | maveric | is sombody from collogne inside??? |
| 21:55.38 | Renze | maveric: france? no, I'm on the other side of the planet from france |
| 21:56.10 | maveric | no germany |
| 21:56.24 | Renze | I'm still on the other side of the planet from germany |
| 21:56.30 | Aardwolf | guess I gotta logout to X to enable the transparency, there go all my open programs :/ |
| 21:56.35 | Aardwolf | cya guys |
| 21:57.02 | maveric | were are you from??? |
| 21:57.08 | Renze | New Zealand |
| 21:57.39 | PhilRod | you might find someone from Cologne in #kde.de |
| 21:57.40 | maveric | thats really the other side of germany |
| 21:58.32 | maveric | thanks |
| 21:59.06 | Renze | sounds like a song I seem to remember... "kde.de... whatever will be, will be..." |
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| 22:00.05 | Aardwolf | What does the following mean? "Starting in version 3.4, KDE has support for the composite translucency feature granted you set the xcomposite USE flag when emerging kwin and kicker for the split ebuilds or kdebase using the monolithic ebuilds." |
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| 22:00.19 | Renze | that's a gentoo thing |
| 22:00.43 | Renze | you can ignore the USE flag stuff if you don't use gentoo |
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| 22:00.53 | kommerck | hi |
| 22:01.31 | PhilRod | hi kommerck |
| 22:01.39 | Aardwolf | I don't use gentoo. If I do xdpyinfo | grep Composite, "Composite" shows up so that worked, but the settings in Window Behaviour don't seem to do much |
| 22:02.24 | Renze | Aardwolf: they worked on my old Geforce 2 MX440 |
| 22:02.38 | Aardwolf | maybe I have to restart KDE again? |
| 22:02.42 | Renze | no |
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| 22:03.42 | Aardwolf | so if the composite extension is loaded, and I set active windows opacity to 20%, all windows should normally be translucent? |
| 22:04.07 | Renze | if you have ticked the checkbox right at the top to enable it all, yes |
| 22:04.26 | Aardwolf | yep, "Use translucency/shadows" is enabled |
| 22:04.29 | Aardwolf | then my computer must be cursed |
| 22:04.33 | Renze | then it should be working |
| 22:04.41 | Renze | unless kompmgr crashed instead of starting |
| 22:04.52 | Renze | but then a dialog would appear |
| 22:04.54 | PhilRod | are you using the nvidia driver (not the nv one)? |
| 22:05.04 | XVampireX | Hmm |
| 22:05.09 | Renze | yes, it needs the proprietary driver |
| 22:05.20 | Aardwolf | uh, I just typed kompmgr in the console and now all my windows became transparent |
| 22:05.21 | XVampireX | Anyone knows if there's any way to quickly retrieve information from wikipedia without going there? |
| 22:05.32 | Aardwolf | I gotta set it to higher than 20% because I can hardly read what I tpe |
| 22:05.34 | XVampireX | Since it's the most useful thing in the world :D |
| 22:05.57 | Renze | XVampireX: wp:<keywords> in konqueror ? |
| 22:06.15 | XVampireX | Oh :P |
| 22:06.38 | Renze | just like gg:<search parameters> for google |
| 22:06.59 | Renze | or any of the other dozens of web shortcuts |
| 22:07.31 | Aardwolf | ok so appearantly whenever I change translucency settings, I have to restart kompmgr to make them work |
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| 22:07.54 | XVampireX | renze, thanks |
| 22:07.54 | Renze | Aardwolf: sounds like you have a kompmgr problem |
| 22:07.59 | thecrazy | KDE su keeps asking for the pwd even though i check save pwd all the time, any idea how to fix this? |
| 22:08.03 | Aardwolf | btw question, is it possible to make one particular window translucent? Like having a little button in the bar of a window to make that one translucent |
| 22:08.08 | Renze | XVampireX: no problem... it's a feature that has been around for a while now :) |
| 22:08.10 | Aardwolf | that would be pretty handy to me for some things |
| 22:08.18 | XVampireX | Yeah |
| 22:08.19 | XVampireX | But |
| 22:08.23 | XVampireX | I didn't really mean it that way |
| 22:08.24 | Renze | Aardwolf: right click titlebar, Advanced -> Special Window Settings |
| 22:08.26 | XVampireX | But I guess it works |
| 22:08.28 | PhilRod | XVampireX: and of course you can put that in the "Run command" dialo |
| 22:08.30 | PhilRod | dialog* |
| 22:08.41 | ChandlerBing | do you know how to put icons on the second desktop in a twinview setup? |
| 22:09.22 | Aardwolf | oh, nice, nice, this works really great, well, if I run kompmgr after that that is :D |
| 22:09.28 | Renze | XVampireX: you want some kind of KDE front-end to Wikipedia? |
| 22:09.47 | XVampireX | Hmm, there's one? |
| 22:09.48 | Renze | Aardwolf: like I said, you seem to have a kompmgr problem... it is supposed to keep running |
| 22:09.57 | Renze | XVampireX: write one and there will be :D |
| 22:10.02 | XVampireX | Ah |
| 22:10.30 | Aardwolf | Renze, if I run kompmgr it keeps running (at least the prompt of the console doesn't come back), but I have to quit it with ctrl-c and rerun it to make new changes to transparencies of particular windows visible |
| 22:10.38 | XVampireX | That's not what I want either, I want something like say... the one in gnome... the deskbar applet that can do alot of searching, but say, it would retrieve the information from there, not go to the page itself |
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| 22:11.08 | Renze | XVampireX: install Kerry Beagle, a KDE front-end to Gnome's Beagle |
| 22:11.22 | XVampireX | And it can do that? |
| 22:11.24 | Renze | Aardwolf: it's still not working as it should, then |
| 22:11.37 | Renze | XVampireX: no idea... I've never bothered trying it |
| 22:12.06 | Aardwolf | indeed, I wonder why :/ |
| 22:12.43 | Renze | Aardwolf: maybe there are known issues with your distro? |
| 22:12.44 | XVampireX | And in konqueror |
| 22:12.52 | XVampireX | How do I close tabs on middle click? |
| 22:13.12 | Renze | I just click on the tab close button... much simpler |
| 22:13.23 | enzo_ | hi |
| 22:13.45 | ChandlerBing | no twinview guys around? |
| 22:13.55 | XVampireX | Renze, not really :P |
| 22:13.55 | enzo_ | i don't remember the name of the svn function that copy the trunk but without all .svn directories, in order to install that somewhere |
| 22:14.05 | XVampireX | This is one of those features that I need |
| 22:14.30 | Aardwolf | hmm I'm off for now, thanks for the help |
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| 22:22.17 | eike | anybody here using kmediafactory? i read chapters should be manually setable, but i can't find a version where they are... |
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| 22:30.47 | thecrazy | KDE su keeps asking for the pwd even though i check save pwd all the time, any idea how to fix this? |
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| 22:34.57 | manchicken_work | Okay, so what do I do when amarok says that xine was unable to inialize any audio devices? |
| 22:35.02 | dagnachew | hello all |
| 22:35.30 | dagnachew | am using arch linux and wanted to install screenkast but it complains about gsm |
| 22:35.41 | manchicken_work | Stopping K and killing any processes run by my end-user and then starting K again seems to work... but it's kinda annoying. |
| 22:36.02 | Renze | manchicken_work: is artsd hogging the device? |
| 22:36.21 | manchicken_work | Possible. |
| 22:36.32 | Renze | that's probably why |
| 22:36.39 | manchicken_work | I tried terminating artsd with artsshell... |
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| 22:36.48 | manchicken_work | What's the "proper" way to bounce artsd? |
| 22:37.10 | Renze | I haven't used artsd in about three years, but I used to just killall -9 artsd :D |
| 22:37.10 | dagnachew | am using arch linux and wanted to install screenkast but it complains about gsm |
| 22:37.27 | Renze | dagnachew: we do not do archlinux package support here |
| 22:37.31 | manchicken_work | Okay, wasn't sure SIGKILL was the right way or not ;) |
| 22:37.31 | mobtek | haha |
| 22:37.32 | dagnachew | hello all anyone installed screenkast here ? |
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| 22:37.37 | manchicken_work | What do you use instead of artsd? |
| 22:37.49 | mobtek | manchicken_work: alsa |
| 22:37.53 | dagnachew | Renze, I installed from source |
| 22:37.56 | Renze | manchicken_work: no sound system at all... my soundcard mixes in hardware |
| 22:38.09 | Renze | dagnachew: screenkast is not an official KDE app |
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| 22:38.29 | manchicken_work | This is weird. |
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| 22:38.29 | dagnachew | Renze, ok sorry |
| 22:38.32 | manchicken_work | [Xine-Engine] |
| 22:38.32 | manchicken_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.35 | manchicken_work | ack.... |
| 22:38.37 | manchicken_work | wrong one.... |
| 22:38.42 | manchicken_work | ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:224:(make_local_socket) connect failed: /tmp/alsa-dmix-26899-1156195401-121471: Connection refused |
| 22:38.44 | manchicken_work | That's it. |
| 22:39.46 | Renze | I've never used dmix, so I know little to nothing about it |
| 22:39.55 | manchicken_work | Don't know what dmix is. heh |
| 22:40.27 | Renze | it's a software stream mixer, kinda like artsd but much less crashy |
| 22:40.35 | Renze | and built into the sound drivers |
| 22:40.47 | manchicken_work | So how do I bounce that? |
| 22:40.53 | Renze | huh? |
| 22:41.08 | manchicken_work | How do I get it so that this thing will accept connections again? |
| 22:41.31 | Renze | I don't even know what is causing the problem yet... check to see if any other processes are using the sound device |
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| 22:41.50 | drantin | killall artsd usually helps when that's running... |
| 22:42.12 | Renze | artsd is teh eeevil |
| 22:42.14 | manchicken_work | I checked for artsd, esd, kmix, none of it's running. |
| 22:42.24 | Renze | kmix isn't a sound server |
| 22:42.34 | SimAtWork | do you guys think kde4 - stable will beat Vista out the door? |
| 22:42.36 | Renze | it's just a volume control thingy |
| 22:42.39 | SimAtWork | when is kde4 stable supposed to be out? |
| 22:42.46 | Renze | SimAtWork: I hope so |
| 22:42.53 | Renze | next year sometime |
| 22:42.59 | Renze | there is no schedule yer |
| 22:43.01 | Renze | yet* |
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| 22:44.52 | Renze | SimAtWork: check http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html for schedules when they materialise |
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| 22:46.03 | manchicken_work | Okay, I'm just gonna restart this damned thing. |
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| 23:09.48 | thecrazy | Can someone please tell me why KDE su keeps asking for the pwd even though i check save pwd everytime? |
| 23:10.23 | Renze | because saving the root password is a major security risk? |
| 23:10.55 | thecrazy | Renze: well i could understand that, but isnt it suposed to save it in kdewallet which is "suposed" to be secure? |
| 23:11.34 | tech9iner | and they've changed it at some level where the checkbox is now moot thecrazy ;]] |
| 23:11.38 | Renze | not sure... that feature existed before kwallet, so it could still be "in transition", as it were |
| 23:11.40 | thecrazy | and shouldnt it say: Root pwd cannot be saved intead of hyst carrying on with it? |
| 23:11.49 | tech9iner | for ditto Renze reasons o course ;] |
| 23:12.21 | tech9iner | and we should all actually stop at roadway stopsigns too thecrazy ;].. wink.wink |
| 23:12.23 | Renze | thecrazy: no idea... I have never used the "save password" feature because I have always been security conscious |
| 23:12.24 | thecrazy | woooo hyst = just .... i need a new keyboard lol |
| 23:13.07 | Renze | I think it is just one dialog that hasn't been updated as it should have been |
| 23:13.43 | thecrazy | i see, well im just trying to easy my migration from windows, i hate having to type pwd all the time |
| 23:14.05 | Renze | how often do you use root-only apps? |
| 23:14.30 | Renze | root should only be used for updates and maintenance |
| 23:14.36 | thecrazy | everytime i start the pc i have to type it to get skype to load, its annoying |
| 23:14.52 | Renze | skype works fine without root access |
| 23:14.59 | thecrazy | not here |
| 23:14.59 | Renze | at least in any sane distro |
| 23:15.10 | thecrazy | hum.... is gentoo sane? |
| 23:15.15 | Renze | I'm using gentoo |
| 23:15.21 | thecrazy | haha glad to hear it |
| 23:15.24 | Renze | skype works fine without root access |
| 23:15.32 | Renze | you've messed something up |
| 23:15.38 | thecrazy | skype freezes for me without root access.... |
| 23:15.51 | Renze | is your user in the appropriate groups? |
| 23:16.22 | Renze | audio should be the only one you need for skype |
| 23:16.46 | thecrazy | renze i dont even know how to check that yet, but i did have to set the audio system to auto suspend after 1 sec to get it working even with skype |
| 23:16.49 | thecrazy | i mean root |
| 23:17.13 | Renze | type "groups" in konsole |
| 23:17.15 | thecrazy | its kinda weird how the sound is managed under kde, applications fighting fir direct control |
| 23:17.26 | Renze | it will list all the groups your user is part of |
| 23:17.45 | Renze | I wouldn't know, I stopped using artsd three years ago because it's a piece of crap |
| 23:17.48 | thecrazy | my user is in wheel audio games users |
| 23:18.04 | thecrazy | .well i use ALSA does that mean i still use arts? |
| 23:18.33 | Renze | alsa is a sound driver, artsd is a stream mixer/decoder - two entirely different animals |
| 23:18.45 | thecrazy | lots of concept i have to learn at once here.. kinda amazed myself that i have gui with 3d drivers installed |
| 23:19.03 | Renze | and gentoo is definitely not a newbie distro |
| 23:19.09 | thecrazy | so if i compare this to windows, artsd would be like.... directsound? |
| 23:19.21 | Renze | pass... haven't used windows since 1998 |
| 23:19.31 | thecrazy | haha |
| 23:21.07 | thecrazy | Renze: if you dont use arts what do you use? |
| 23:21.24 | Renze | my sound card mixes streams in hardware, I don't need a software one |
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| 23:21.33 | thecrazy | what card is that? |
| 23:21.37 | Renze | SBLive |
| 23:21.43 | thecrazy | i have an audigy |
| 23:21.51 | Renze | that mixes in hardware |
| 23:22.31 | thecrazy | hum... i dont want to bug you to much with this but do you know some docs i can read on how to setup my system like you did yours? |
| 23:22.44 | Renze | I've never found any, but then I've never looked |
| 23:22.55 | thecrazy | ok.......... |
| 23:23.01 | Renze | hey, I'm a geek |
| 23:23.05 | thecrazy | ;) |
| 23:23.12 | Renze | I figure stuff out by myself :D |
| 23:23.39 | thecrazy | seriously what you did seems like a great setup you should write a wiki on it |
| 23:23.55 | Renze | maybe one day... |
| 23:24.23 | Renze | but right now I should get back to work ;) |
| 23:24.34 | thecrazy | allright thx for your help |
| 23:24.43 | Renze | no problem |
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| 23:37.33 | troxor | is there a bug with kopete not respecting override font settings? |
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| 23:38.31 | canllaith | troxor: yes, quite a long standing one that the developers are aware of |
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| 23:40.35 | troxor | canllaith: is there anything I can do to help fix it? it's quite annoying :( |
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| 23:40.54 | canllaith | I first reported it over a year ago :) |
| 23:41.10 | canllaith | I'll mention it to mattr the next time he's online and remind him about it |
| 23:41.38 | troxor | alright, thanks |
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| 23:47.44 | njdube | Does any one here use Skype? I'm having issues with it. When I test it out with Echo123 the connection seems slow and the audio is glitchy. |
| 23:48.16 | njdube | I'm using KDE 3.5.4 and suse 10.0. |
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| 23:49.30 | qupada | njdube: question your internet connection first |
| 23:50.03 | njdube | I'm using a broadband connection from behind a router. |
| 23:50.15 | qupada | if you don't have the latest skype (1.3.0.30), try upgrading that too |
| 23:50.28 | troxor | njdube: check out samething like dstat, to check out how much bandwidth is in use too.. on your router, you can set the QoS for skype higher |
| 23:50.46 | njdube | I just installed it the other day, which is what I downloaded from the site. So it's safe to assume I have the latest. |
| 23:51.37 | qupada | not necissarily. 1.3.0 is still listed as beta |
| 23:51.46 | qupada | the main download links are still 1.2.something |
| 23:51.56 | njdube | I try to stay away from beta software. |
| 23:52.34 | njdube | I type dstat in konsole. It said bad command. |
| 23:52.49 | njdube | I mean command not found. |
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| 23:53.30 | njdube | Could the speed of my hardware affect it? I have a 600 mhz celron and 256 mb ram. |
| 23:53.58 | qupada | well considering the system requirements say 400MHz and 128MB, i'd say no |
| 23:54.42 | canllaith | 600MHz is borderline for skype...... |
| 23:54.54 | canllaith | but there is a thread on the skype forums about linux audio problems |
| 23:55.04 | canllaith | that sounds a bit like something that could be fixed by adjusting the packet chunk size in /proc |
| 23:55.10 | njdube | Cool, I'll have to check it out. |
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| 23:56.28 | njdube | I have on board sound. The mother board is from an old emachine I got back in 2000. I don't remember what the audio hardware brand is. |
