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| 00:00.07 | linux4u | it is the "16 bit quality(high quality)" feature instead of using the "default quality" |
| 00:00.07 | stoned | defulat |
| 00:00.19 | linux4u | lol it is the "16 bit quality(high quality)" feature instead of using the "default quality" |
| 00:00.20 | Sutoka | shining: whats 'working' exactly? |
| 00:00.26 | Renze | is there an echo in here? |
| 00:00.27 | linux4u | dont mock up |
| 00:00.55 | stoned | fish:// is the sweetest thing i've seen in kde |
| 00:00.56 | stoned | wow! |
| 00:01.03 | stoned | you guys ROCK! |
| 00:01.07 | stoned | rock out |
| 00:01.10 | stoned | with your cock out! |
| 00:01.11 | stoned | haha |
| 00:01.13 | stoned | :D |
| 00:01.14 | Sutoka | stoned: theres also sftp |
| 00:01.35 | shining | Sutoka: perfectly working like I want it :) |
| 00:02.00 | shining | Sutoka: ie what your last patch is supposed to do, but I couldn't try it |
| 00:02.19 | Sutoka | shining: ah oops yeah |
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| 00:02.50 | riot | hi. |
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| 00:03.32 | riot | I have a problem with k3b (running debian unstable). It can't find growisofs (though i've installed it, "which growisofs" returns /usr/bin) |
| 00:03.56 | linux4u | I wonder why X doesnt wanto display fb in fullscreen when drivers suck |
| 00:04.05 | linux4u | or vga streams |
| 00:04.16 | linux4u | when you do so |
| 00:04.22 | linux4u | your kde desktop b reaks |
| 00:04.46 | linux4u | and you are tyied with the console login |
| 00:04.55 | linux4u | and you are tied with the console login |
| 00:05.19 | Renze | linux4u: um, you're rambling and not making any sense |
| 00:05.27 | linux4u | ? |
| 00:05.44 | linux4u | I wonder how to have kde running with bad display drivers |
| 00:05.59 | Renze | ask in #xorg... it has nothing to do with kde |
| 00:06.19 | linux4u | kde is implied |
| 00:06.34 | linux4u | okay thanks |
| 00:06.36 | Renze | no, KDE just uses whatever X supplies, so it is an X problem |
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| 00:10.56 | linux4u | is kuikshow great for pdf ? |
| 00:11.06 | Renze | no, it's an image viewer |
| 00:11.10 | Renze | use kpdf for pdf |
| 00:11.15 | linux4u | but it can do pdf too |
| 00:11.20 | linux4u | right ? |
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| 00:11.38 | Renze | no |
| 00:11.45 | linux4u | sure ? |
| 00:11.48 | Renze | pdf is a document format, not an image format |
| 00:11.54 | Renze | yes, I'm sure |
| 00:11.58 | linux4u | lol I know |
| 00:12.04 | linux4u | so it is kghostview |
| 00:12.14 | Renze | kpdf is better than kghostview |
| 00:12.21 | linux4u | ok |
| 00:12.23 | linux4u | so it is kghostview |
| 00:12.25 | linux4u | why ? |
| 00:12.28 | Renze | kpdf is better than kghostview |
| 00:12.35 | linux4u | they do the same |
| 00:12.49 | Renze | kpdf does it better |
| 00:13.04 | linux4u | can you tell me what can kpdf do better than xpdf and kghostveiw |
| 00:13.08 | Sutoka | linux4u: kghostview was developed for viewing ghostscript, and i don't think its really developed that much anymore |
| 00:13.09 | linux4u | can you tell me what can kpdf do better than xpdf and kghostview |
| 00:13.22 | Sutoka | linux4u: you can test them out for yourself if you want |
| 00:13.34 | Renze | linux4u: must you continually repeat yourself? it's very annoying |
| 00:13.35 | linux4u | for me kghostview is the best |
| 00:13.39 | linux4u | it is light |
| 00:13.53 | linux4u | and co do many things |
| 00:14.02 | Sutoka | linux4u: for my kghostview doesn't render all pdfs corrently (or as sharply) |
| 00:14.02 | linux4u | kpdf is only pdf |
| 00:14.13 | linux4u | explian |
| 00:14.17 | linux4u | explain |
| 00:14.28 | Sutoka | linux4u: ill only explain once ;-) |
| 00:14.47 | linux4u | ok |
| 00:14.50 | Sutoka | linux4u: i just opened a document i had opened in kpdf and all pages past 4 won't render anything at all |
| 00:15.16 | linux4u | give me this file |
| 00:15.20 | XVampireX | linux4u: Just use whatever is the best for you |
| 00:15.21 | aseigo | Sutoka: which file? |
| 00:15.25 | linux4u | I will check if you tell truth |
| 00:15.36 | Sutoka | aseigo linux4u: http://www.dot10.state.pa.us/pdotforms/pa_driversmanual/section_4.pdf |
| 00:15.53 | lgsobalvarro | hi aseigo |
| 00:16.07 | aseigo | Sutoka: works perfectly here... |
| 00:16.14 | aseigo | Sutoka: what version of kpdf/kde and on what OS? |
| 00:16.18 | Renze | aseigo: in kghostview? |
| 00:16.33 | Sutoka | aseigo: kghostview 0.20 on kde 3.5.4 on gentoo linux |
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| 00:16.46 | linux4u | lol |
| 00:16.52 | linux4u | it does flawlessly |
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| 00:16.59 | flugstund | morning |
| 00:17.07 | aseigo | Sutoka: ah... kghostview... i thought you said you opened it in kpdf |
| 00:17.09 | Sutoka | it does it even if i close it and reopen it... odd |
| 00:17.24 | Sutoka | aseigo: works perfectly in kpdf |
| 00:17.30 | aseigo | Sutoka: yeah =) |
| 00:17.41 | flugstund | I am tryng to find out where I can sleep while beeing at akademy in Dublin this year? |
| 00:17.47 | linux4u | it works in kghostview too |
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| 00:17.52 | Sutoka | i think thats the only file i've ever opened with kghostview also... heh |
| 00:18.06 | linux4u | but what about xpdf |
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| 00:18.15 | hub | hey aseigo |
| 00:18.19 | Renze | xpdf doesn't have a 'k' in the name :D |
| 00:18.24 | linux4u | looool |
| 00:18.25 | hub | aseigo: just dropped you a mail. |
| 00:18.25 | linux4u | funny |
| 00:18.36 | linux4u | yes we guys are using Kde |
| 00:18.39 | linux4u | not X :) |
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| 00:19.05 | linux4u | X apps looks suck bad |
| 00:19.11 | linux4u | KDE is eye popping |
| 00:19.16 | hub | linux4u: KPDF use poppler, and poppler is a fork of xpdf |
| 00:19.26 | hub | linux4u: so it serve as a reference |
| 00:19.30 | linux4u | hey hey |
| 00:19.40 | hub | try evince otherwise |
| 00:20.09 | pptux | acroread is also a good choice |
| 00:20.13 | hub | pptux: no. |
| 00:20.14 | aseigo | and yeah... kghostview doesn't have search, text select (or any select for that matter), table of contents, continuous page viewing mode, etc, etc, etc |
| 00:20.16 | hub | pptux: it does not run on PPC |
| 00:20.17 | linux4u | acroread ? |
| 00:20.19 | aseigo | ug.. acroread sucks nuts |
| 00:20.26 | hub | linux4u: Adobe own version |
| 00:20.28 | aseigo | the only Good thing acroread does is pdf forms |
| 00:20.29 | hub | linux4u: non-free |
| 00:20.33 | linux4u | ooo |
| 00:20.36 | linux4u | it is adobe |
| 00:20.36 | hub | aseigo: there is a SoC for that |
| 00:20.37 | pptux | oh, I don't know that |
| 00:20.42 | aseigo | hub: yeah .. i saw that =) |
| 00:20.47 | hub | aseigo: not sure if it is evine or poppler |
| 00:20.54 | aseigo | poppler |
| 00:21.04 | hub | pptux: I tell you, acroread on runs Intel-32bits linux |
| 00:21.18 | hub | pptux: Adobe is not know to port easily to new CPU |
| 00:21.22 | linux4u | acroread is acrobat redaer |
| 00:21.29 | hub | pptux: even Photoshop Mac is not compiled for Intel |
| 00:21.42 | hub | linux4u: it is called Adobe Reader now |
| 00:21.47 | hub | pptux: nor Flash |
| 00:21.58 | hub | (for linux non-intel I mean) |
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| 00:22.12 | pptux | watching flash is a headache |
| 00:22.17 | linux4u | lol |
| 00:22.32 | linux4u | I wonder what will adobe do |
| 00:22.46 | linux4u | when Linux will take windows market share (90 %) |
| 00:22.56 | Sutoka | linux4u: acroreader looks worse than xpdf imho |
| 00:23.01 | pptux | ;-) |
| 00:23.07 | hub | pptux: it is worse than that |
| 00:23.17 | hub | linux4u: they'll have to adapt or die |
| 00:23.21 | Sutoka | and by worse... i mean puke on xpdf and i would still choose xpdf over acroreader... |
| 00:23.31 | linux4u | adapt means no longer sell it :) |
| 00:23.41 | linux4u | lol |
| 00:23.42 | hub | linux4u: adapt means adapt |
| 00:23.44 | aseigo | my favourite thing about acroread is how they use a toolkit (gtk+) but don't use any of its widgets |
| 00:23.51 | linux4u | liste, |
| 00:23.55 | aseigo | everything is reimplemented from scratch practically |
| 00:23.57 | linux4u | listen to this |
| 00:23.58 | Renze | linux4u: linux will never take windows' market share... the majority of people are too ignorant |
| 00:23.59 | aseigo | menubars, dialogs .... |
| 00:24.03 | linux4u | if Linux(free sofwtare) ... |
| 00:24.06 | aseigo | that's why it's 100MB+ |
| 00:24.11 | linux4u | is used in 90 % pcs in 5 years |
| 00:24.12 | hub | aseigo: their framework is weird |
| 00:24.14 | linux4u | ... |
| 00:24.21 | hub | aseigo: not sure it is the one they use in Reader |
| 00:24.35 | hub | linux4u: wet dream. unlikely to happen |
| 00:24.57 | linux4u | all those firms(adobe,nero,powerdvd guys) |
| 00:25.00 | linux4u | will close |
| 00:25.26 | linux4u | ;) |
| 00:25.55 | linux4u | because they have open source competitors :) |
| 00:25.56 | Sutoka | linux4u: adapt or die |
| 00:26.04 | linux4u | adapt means what ? |
| 00:26.11 | linux4u | open source photoshop ? |
| 00:26.16 | hub | linux4u: why not |
| 00:26.30 | linux4u | open source photoshop == end of adobe |
| 00:26.33 | hub | linux4u: you forgot Corel |
| 00:27.12 | linux4u | because their business tools is off |
| 00:27.13 | Sutoka | linux4u: possibly, they could shift to a service company, or any sort of things |
| 00:27.13 | linux4u | wow |
| 00:27.13 | hub | Adobe Lightroom is written 40% is LUA and use sqlite |
| 00:27.17 | linux4u | so Linux is going to change the business (software business) widely |
| 00:27.19 | hub | they have stuff open source: http://opensource.adobe.com/ |
| 00:27.23 | hub | that is interesting |
| 00:27.24 | linux4u | yes |
| 00:27.26 | hub | and MIT licensed |
| 00:27.37 | linux4u | creative too have an opensource website |
| 00:27.44 | linux4u | though they dont open source XFI |
| 00:27.51 | hub | btw, LGM is in Montreal next year |
| 00:27.54 | hub | and I will be there |
| 00:28.03 | hub | even if I have to say f*ck to my boss |
| 00:28.12 | hub | at least it does not cost $900 to get there |
| 00:28.25 | aseigo | hub: you mean the adam/eve dialog templating stuff? |
| 00:28.47 | hub | aseigo: yeah |
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| 00:28.57 | aseigo | hub: no, that's just for the photoshop (and related) lines |
| 00:29.09 | aseigo | hub: acroread is the work of essentially one guy at adobe and he's a bit eccentric |
| 00:29.18 | hub | aseigo: I was not sure for acroread |
| 00:29.18 | linux4u | wait me guys |
| 00:29.22 | linux4u | I reboot on my X6800 :) |
| 00:29.24 | hub | aseigo: he is canuck if I remember |
| 00:29.28 | hub | aseigo: in Ottawa |
| 00:29.33 | aseigo | another crazy canuck. =P |
| 00:29.44 | hub | aseigo: yeah, I should try to meet him |
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| 00:29.48 | aseigo | canuckistan: where to go if you need crazy code |
| 00:29.49 | _khaled | hi |
| 00:29.50 | hub | aseigo: pat has an idea |
| 00:29.53 | linux4u | please do the reboot time count for me ,can you ? |
| 00:30.04 | aseigo | linux4u: 82 |
| 00:30.09 | linux4u | lol |
| 00:30.12 | hub | aseigo: a buddy has ported adam&eve to gtk/Linux |
| 00:30.13 | linux4u | count from 0 |
| 00:30.22 | linux4u | tell me when your ready |
| 00:30.24 | _khaled | is there KDE app can connect to IIS server thgough frontpage extentions |
| 00:30.32 | hub | aseigo: oh I met chouimat,. you were missed :-) |
| 00:30.33 | Renze | linux4u: use your own stopwatch |
| 00:30.45 | linux4u | I use Suse 10 on a X6800 dual core |
| 00:30.52 | linux4u | hey do it guys |
| 00:31.04 | linux4u | so whe you will see linux4u has closed start |
| 00:31.05 | linux4u | top |
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| 00:32.00 | linux4u | so |
| 00:32.06 | linux4u | how long |
| 00:32.10 | aseigo | 82 |
| 00:32.13 | aseigo | i already said |
| 00:32.16 | linux4u | lol |
| 00:32.34 | Renze | the answer to everything is 42 |
| 00:32.35 | linux4u | it is impressively fast |
| 00:32.43 | linux4u | in secs |
| 00:32.47 | aseigo | 82 |
| 00:33.02 | _khaled | no one has answer to my question ? |
| 00:33.11 | linux4u | but it is not my hardware ;( |
| 00:33.33 | hub | aseigo: http://missioncode.org/blog/ <- adam & eve on Linux with Gtk |
| 00:33.36 | Sutoka | _khaled: maybe quanta... otherwise don't know (not sure what the 'frontpage extensions' use) |
| 00:33.57 | aseigo | if they use webdav, quanta can access it |
| 00:34.03 | Theory | _khaled: if at all possible I would try to move away from frontpage extensions though |
| 00:34.19 | hub | Sutoka: FP use a proprietary protocol |
| 00:34.27 | hub | Sutoka: what to you expect from MS |
| 00:34.29 | linux4u | now I will try with windows vista beta to compare |
| 00:34.35 | linux4u | get ready |
| 00:34.39 | Sutoka | hub: hey sometimes they get sloppy! |
| 00:34.50 | hub | Sutoka: the worse: the FP author hated MSFT. MSFT bought hime |
| 00:34.59 | linux4u | lol |
| 00:35.01 | linux4u | FP ? |
| 00:35.07 | linux4u | use quanta or nvu |
| 00:35.10 | linux4u | with ttf fonts |
| 00:35.11 | Sutoka | hub: so is that an excuse for FP being so bad? |
| 00:35.29 | linux4u | or open office |
| 00:35.43 | hub | Sutoka: yes and no |
| 00:36.23 | Sutoka | hub: maybe when he found out he beat himself over the head with a baseball bat? |
| 00:37.10 | linux4u | the best webed is not frontpage |
| 00:37.16 | linux4u | it is word |
| 00:37.30 | linux4u | then nvu |
| 00:37.38 | linux4u | in Linux is is nvu |
| 00:37.41 | linux4u | then ooo |
| 00:37.47 | Sutoka | linux4u: you're a chuckle |
| 00:37.49 | linux4u | openofice |
| 00:37.55 | hub | linux4u: Word? are you fucking kidding me? |
| 00:37.58 | linux4u | openoffice(though for simple pages) |
| 00:37.59 | Renze | Sutoka: either that or an idiot |
| 00:38.01 | _khaled | it is the ISP to upload .NET site it should be FP extentions server IIS |
| 00:38.21 | _khaled | and they dont provide FTP connection to server |
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| 00:39.04 | linux4u | okay |
| 00:39.05 | aseigo | 82 |
| 00:39.09 | linux4u | I am using vista now |
| 00:39.23 | Renze | I smell a troll |
| 00:39.27 | linux4u | on another machine having a X6800 too |
| 00:39.29 | lilltiger | naa |
| 00:39.33 | linux4u | I reboot |
| 00:39.35 | linux4u | get ready |
| 00:39.40 | linux4u | okay ? |
| 00:39.44 | linux4u | top |
| 00:39.49 | lilltiger | a not even a troll web use word to make webpages :) |
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| 00:40.00 | linux4u | so |
| 00:40.03 | Renze | 82 |
| 00:40.04 | linux4u | wowwww |
| 00:40.08 | linux4u | this is fast |
| 00:40.25 | linux4u | wow |
| 00:40.33 | linux4u | like a blade |
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| 00:40.52 | linux4u | les than 9 seconds |
| 00:41.00 | Sutoka | linux4u: an X6800? an nvidia 6800? |
| 00:41.09 | linux4u | suse is 24 secs and windows is 8.7 |
| 00:41.14 | linux4u | lol |
| 00:41.15 | linux4u | INTEL |
| 00:41.23 | linux4u | dual core Xtreme |
| 00:41.30 | lilltiger | hihih |
| 00:41.34 | lilltiger | this guy is funny :) |
| 00:41.36 | Sutoka | linux4u: ouch, that must of set you back quite a bit |
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| 00:42.06 | linux4u | why this difference ? |
| 00:42.08 | Sutoka | linux4u: fyi, hard drive speed will generally make a larger difference than cpu during boot |
| 00:42.17 | linux4u | ookay |
| 00:42.39 | linux4u | on the linux pc I have a hitachi hdd |
| 00:42.42 | linux4u | 80 gb |
| 00:43.16 | linux4u | on the vista one I have a diamond 80 gb with 16 Mo cache |
| 00:43.50 | Renze | lilltiger: I've got him figured out now... he's a wannabe :D |
| 00:44.07 | linux4u | wana what ? ;) |
| 00:44.13 | linux4u | this hardware is not even mine |
| 00:44.17 | linux4u | I am testing it :) |
| 00:44.31 | lilltiger | linux4u: you know, if you use linuxbios you will start a linux machine in less then 1sec |
| 00:44.40 | linux4u | whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 00:44.43 | linux4u | 1 sec |
| 00:44.50 | linux4u | 1 minute or 1 sec |
| 00:45.05 | lilltiger | yes, as soon as your bios is loaded, about 1-5seks |
| 00:45.20 | lilltiger | depeinging on the time your grph card takes to check its mem |
| 00:45.38 | Sutoka | my bios takes ~30 seconds... |
| 00:46.04 | lilltiger | Sutoka: total system check, or are you using an AST :) |
| 00:46.24 | linux4u | please tell me how to do that please |
| 00:46.39 | lilltiger | linux4u: google knows |
| 00:46.46 | Sutoka | lilltiger: ast? |
| 00:47.16 | linux4u | goole text_to_search; give me the value of text_to_search |
| 00:47.20 | lilltiger | Sutoka: a computer brand from the mid 90's. Is made Compaq look good :) |
| 00:47.30 | lilltiger | they... |
| 00:47.34 | Sutoka | lilltiger: nope, AMI |
| 00:47.53 | Renze | isn't AMI an insurance company? |
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| 00:48.27 | Sutoka | Renze: not a clue |
| 00:48.35 | hub | it was a brand of BIOS |
| 00:48.45 | Renze | Ah, American Megatrends |
| 00:48.46 | hub | and AmiPro was a Lotus word processor |
| 00:48.52 | hub | Renze: + Inc |
| 00:48.53 | Sutoka | Renze: yeah |
| 00:49.06 | linux4u | linuxbios you said |
| 00:49.14 | Renze | Sutoka: http://www.ami.co.nz/ :) |
| 00:49.45 | linux4u | do you use kde ? |
| 00:49.47 | Sutoka | Renze: lol... your AMI is probably better at making BIOSes than my AMI |
| 00:49.59 | Renze | Sutoka: wouldn't surprise me :D |
| 00:50.03 | linux4u | because if is console ,then 1 sec is possible with a X2 AMD |
| 00:50.17 | Sutoka | linux4u: init=/bin/bash doesn't count |
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| 00:51.00 | Viper550 | Today is the 15th birthday of Linux |
| 00:51.09 | Sutoka | Viper550: wheres the cake? |
| 00:51.38 | lilltiger | linux4u: it store the entire kernel in the bios, wich means instant loading.. so you will have your linux up in notime.. KDE and X is just extensions to linux and shouldent be added to the calculation. |
| 00:52.04 | linux4u | I am crying of happiness |
| 00:52.10 | linux4u | if this is true |
| 00:52.10 | Viper550 | Sorry, I didn't bring any :P |
| 00:52.38 | linux4u | then linux rocks 1000000000000000 times more than NT |
| 00:52.39 | Renze | linux4u: http://www.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 00:52.43 | Viper550 | But just to celebrate, I'm decorating my KDE 3.5 desktop to look like KDE 3.1 |
| 00:52.47 | linux4u | if you really tell truth |
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| 00:53.39 | lilltiger | but why care about boot times for linux when you never reboot anyway.. |
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| 00:53.48 | linux4u | ??? |
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| 00:54.04 | Viper550 | Did KDE 3.1 really have the small panel and top menubar by default? |
| 00:54.10 | linux4u | what you said ? lill |
| 00:54.13 | linux4u | what you said ? lilltigr |
| 00:54.27 | linux4u | so it will break lilo ? |
| 00:54.59 | lilltiger | linux4u: the boot time of a OS is irrelevant if you never have to restart the OS. |
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| 00:55.35 | linux4u | explain |
| 00:55.43 | lilltiger | Viper550: I dont think so. |
| 00:55.52 | linux4u | (you seems an expert) |
| 00:55.54 | Renze | linux4u: stop turning your computer off |
| 00:55.56 | Viper550 | But did it have the silver background? |
| 00:56.12 | lilltiger | Viper550: but i think i used kde 3.1.5 as first. |
| 00:56.14 | linux4u | renze |
| 00:56.20 | linux4u | It was just a service |
| 00:56.28 | linux4u | I will not do it again |
| 00:56.32 | shining | Sutoka: so do you get similar behavior? |
| 00:56.55 | Renze | linux4u: no, I mean why measure boot time when you never need to boot? leave your computer on, and it will always be ready to use. |
| 00:56.59 | Sutoka | shining: eh? i haven't tested it yet, but im pretty sure its right |
| 00:57.13 | lilltiger | linux4u: if you run linux, you dont turn of your computer, and when you dont turn it of you dont have to turn it on to wait for it to boot. |
| 00:57.26 | linux4u | hmmmm |
| 00:57.30 | Renze | lilltiger: he's kinda slow, isn't he? :D |
| 00:57.31 | Sutoka | lilltiger: suspend2ram ftw! |
| 00:57.42 | shining | Sutoka: there is only 2 behaving correctly :d |
| 00:57.46 | linux4u | but |
| 00:57.56 | qupada | it's not like windows... you don't NEED to reboot it to make sure it continues to run at an acceptable speed |
| 00:57.57 | lilltiger | Renze: arent all windows users? =D |
| 00:58.01 | linux4u | generally when you patch your kernel you have to reboot right ? |
| 00:58.05 | Renze | lilltiger: good point :D |
| 00:58.37 | lilltiger | linux4u: yes, but thay are working on a fix for that.. and still you dont need to do that for like 5 years.. |
| 00:58.51 | linux4u | mmm |
| 00:59.04 | linux4u | when you setup a graphics driver too |
| 00:59.05 | shining | it isnt about rebooting |
| 00:59.08 | linux4u | you have to reboot |
| 00:59.12 | shining | it is about halting |
| 00:59.14 | lilltiger | linux4u: no you dont |
| 00:59.15 | shining | you have to halt |
| 00:59.16 | linux4u | nvidia driver for example |
| 00:59.28 | shining | for saving energy |
| 00:59.35 | linux4u | all that is reboot |
| 00:59.35 | lilltiger | linux4u: you just have to restart X not linux |
| 00:59.40 | linux4u | oooow |
| 00:59.45 | Sutoka | linux4u: yeah you don't need to reboot... |
| 00:59.50 | linux4u | okay |
| 00:59.54 | linux4u | smartly done |
| 01:00.03 | shining | so fast booting/halting would be good |
| 01:00.06 | Sutoka | shining: suspend2ram ;-) |
| 01:00.23 | shining | that still requires the pc to be on |
| 01:00.30 | Viper550 | Are there any screenshots of a base KDE 3.1 desktop? |
| 01:00.36 | shining | it's better though |
| 01:00.53 | lilltiger | Viper550: google for it, I bet some are still around.. |
| 01:01.03 | linux4u | but what if X stop working |
| 01:01.11 | linux4u | you have to reboot |
| 01:01.13 | lilltiger | Viper550: but the default look for KDE is very different from distro to distro |
| 01:01.25 | Renze | linux4u: no, you just restart X |
| 01:01.28 | Sutoka | shining: suspend2ram uses almost nothing |
| 01:01.29 | linux4u | lol |
| 01:01.30 | lilltiger | linux4u: no, just kill X ans restart it |
| 01:01.34 | linux4u | X sucks you cannot restart it |
| 01:01.41 | Renze | sure you can |
| 01:01.42 | linux4u | you dont have access to irq |
| 01:01.43 | Sutoka | shining: im not sure the exact numbers, but i know its tiny |
| 01:01.51 | linux4u | no keyboard |
| 01:01.53 | linux4u | no mouse |
| 01:01.59 | linux4u | no voice input |
| 01:01.59 | Sutoka | linux4u: login via ssh then |
| 01:02.00 | lilltiger | ssh :) |
| 01:02.04 | qupada | linux4u: if control-alt-backspace doesn't work, alt-syrq-k usually does |
| 01:02.09 | linux4u | how |
| 01:02.13 | linux4u | keyboard sucsk |
| 01:02.16 | linux4u | keyboard sucks |
| 01:02.19 | qupada | linux4u: kernel-level interrupt |
| 01:02.24 | qupada | it's not dependent on X to work |
| 01:02.25 | linux4u | with what |
| 01:02.27 | linux4u | keyboard sucks |
| 01:02.29 | shining | Sutoka: guess I would need to look for some |
| 01:02.38 | Viper550 | I've been going by these: http://www.kde.org/screenshots/kde310shots.php |
| 01:02.48 | shining | and try to make it working maybe |
| 01:03.06 | qupada | of course, if your kernel has panicked, you're right up shit creek, but even if X is so far gone you can't even toggle the capslock/numlock state, the magic sysrq key always comes through |
| 01:03.18 | linux4u | wand what if a hacker runs killall6 |
| 01:03.19 | shining | which versions had the same feeling as the kde classic theme? |
| 01:03.41 | lilltiger | Viper550: yes looks pretty default, the background is the gray and has the kde wheel on it |
| 01:03.45 | linux4u | the screen is frozen with irqs |
| 01:03.50 | linux4u | reboot is better |
| 01:03.58 | shining | kde 2 maybe |
| 01:04.12 | qupada | gah, why am i arguing with this guy |
| 01:04.18 | linux4u | it is 24 secs with SUSE and 1 GB memory |
| 01:04.24 | linux4u | so what is the problem |
| 01:04.25 | Viper550 | Yeah, Default Gears... |
| 01:04.42 | linux4u | and it should be faster with deb or rh |
| 01:04.48 | Viper550 | Now I'm lookin' awesome! |
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| 01:04.58 | Renze | qupada: masochist? |
| 01:04.59 | qupada | hah, not on my motherboard. takes the best part of 20 seconds to get to the grub menu |
| 01:04.59 | linux4u | or with a simple kde theme |
| 01:05.07 | linux4u | lol |
| 01:05.17 | linux4u | try it with a X6800 |
| 01:05.25 | Sutoka | qupada: sounds like your motherboard is better than mine! |
| 01:05.33 | lilltiger | Viper550: but i doubt that that top menu was deafult.. but im not sure |
| 01:05.40 | linux4u | ikt is fassssssst |
| 01:05.50 | shining | mine is quite slow too |
| 01:05.53 | Viper550 | Was in the official screenshots... |
| 01:05.58 | linux4u | try it with a X6800 :) |
| 01:05.58 | shining | with promise controller crap taking ages |
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| 01:06.03 | qupada | the graphics card is half the issue. for god knows what reason leadtek decided to implement a memory check into the video bios that has spinning numbers like a motherboard's ram check of 5-10 years ago |
| 01:06.18 | Sutoka | linux4u: a processor is rarely the bottle neck for boot time |
| 01:06.23 | linux4u | (dont do attack a bank though ) |
| 01:06.24 | lilltiger | qupada: dont say that! :'( |
| 01:06.34 | lilltiger | *still using one of thoes motherboards* :) |
| 01:06.44 | linux4u | what cpu do you have ? |
| 01:06.48 | qupada | shining: ah yeah, those were fun. i had a parallel ultra-tx2, took more time the less drives you had on it |
| 01:06.55 | Sutoka | qupada: mine takes around 30 seconds to get to grub, which takes about 8 seconds because of the crappy bios |
| 01:07.00 | linux4u | qupdawhat cpu do you have ? |
| 01:07.03 | linux4u | qupda what cpu do you have ? |
| 01:07.11 | shining | qupada: LOL |
| 01:07.12 | qupada | linux4u: athlon64 fx-53 |
| 01:07.21 | linux4u | mobo ? |
| 01:07.32 | Sutoka | qupada: mine takes more time with more drives... |
| 01:07.35 | shining | aren't fx ultra expensive? |
| 01:07.39 | lilltiger | if i press esc on the mem check it takes about 3-5sek to grub.. without like 30sec-50sec |
| 01:07.40 | linux4u | yes |
| 01:07.46 | linux4u | very expensive |
| 01:07.48 | qupada | shining: i'm not kidding, took up to 15-20 seconds if you had nothing plugged in, 2-3 seconds with all 4 drives, and basically linear regression inbetween |
| 01:07.51 | linux4u | try a dual core X6800 |
| 01:07.52 | Viper550 | Still, with all the icon upgrades that KDE 3.5 has compared to 3.1 and the cool panel background, Keramik is looking nice! |
| 01:07.58 | linux4u | it is the same price but 10 times faster :) |
| 01:08.03 | qupada | shining: it was at the time i've had it for 2 years |
| 01:08.14 | qupada | linux4u: it's also intel, which immediately means it's a piece of crap |
| 01:08.18 | linux4u | (linux4u is thinking about stealing this hardware to the owner) :) |
| 01:08.25 | Sutoka | linux4u: enough with the koolaid |
| 01:09.08 | linux4u | how can they make this cpu so expensive |
| 01:09.26 | linux4u | they should be mor generous for us |
| 01:09.33 | linux4u | 1000 dollars |
| 01:09.37 | linux4u | :( |
| 01:09.48 | lilltiger | Viper550: keramik is nic, thought i never liked bloated windecos and widgets :) |
| 01:10.11 | qupada | lilltiger: yeah, i like the keramik window decoration a lot, but the widgets are nasty |
| 01:10.18 | Viper550 | Why not just use Plastik as the widgets? |
| 01:10.38 | lilltiger | keramik should be made at halfe the size aswell |
| 01:10.40 | qupada | Viper550: i did have that combo for a while, got bored with it |
| 01:11.10 | Viper550 | But, I actually liked Keramik, sad to see that it had to get just packaged as an alternate theme when Plastik came around... |
| 01:11.12 | qupada | plastic is just a bit more plain and minimalist |
| 01:11.15 | lilltiger | right now im using tinydeco as windec and comics as widgets |
| 01:11.41 | lilltiger | plastic is also to big :( |
| 01:12.13 | linux4u | with a X6800 you dont even need a gpu to run DirectX 9 games in resolution from 640 to 1600 |
| 01:12.24 | linux4u | in normal/high details |
| 01:12.28 | linux4u | but no shaders |
| 01:12.42 | qupada | linux4u: and therein lies the problem. you considered putting windows on it |
| 01:15.01 | linux4u | when I say DirectX9 games I mean games before spring 2006 :) |
| 01:15.13 | linux4u | far cry ,doom |
| 01:15.18 | linux4u | hl 2 |
| 01:15.18 | shining | who cares about directx9 games? |
| 01:15.25 | qupada | since when was doom3 directx? |
| 01:15.28 | shining | doom? |
| 01:15.29 | linux4u | okay 2006 games |
| 01:15.31 | qupada | you're kidding yourself |
| 01:15.34 | linux4u | opengl games |
| 01:15.49 | linux4u | when I say DirectX9 games I mean games before spring 2006 :) |
| 01:15.54 | linux4u | read me |
| 01:15.58 | linux4u | before telling shit |
| 01:16.11 | linux4u | okay |
| 01:16.17 | shining | that doesn't mean anything you tard |
| 01:16.21 | linux4u | when I say OpenGL games I mean games before spring 2006 :) |
| 01:16.38 | linux4u | opkay now ? |
| 01:16.55 | linux4u | what is the current opengl version ;) |
| 01:17.00 | linux4u | 2.X ? |
| 01:17.15 | aseigo | 82 |
| 01:17.18 | shining | no it's no ok |
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| 01:17.43 | shining | go play your kiddy games under windows and leave us alone. thank you |
| 01:17.56 | linux4u | I dont play under windows |
| 01:17.59 | linux4u | I play under linux |
| 01:18.01 | linux4u | and ps2 |
| 01:18.02 | lilltiger | and when I say, what are you doing here, I actually mean, why are you still bothering this channel with your crap.. =D |
| 01:18.06 | Sutoka | whats 41*2? |
| 01:18.20 | linux4u | lilltigr is a friend :) |
| 01:18.32 | linux4u | he puts a smiley at the end :) |
| 01:18.54 | qupada | =D could be a really small penis |
| 01:19.32 | lilltiger | thats because i smile when I hurt people, i get excited when hurting others.. |
| 01:19.47 | linux4u | wow |
| 01:19.59 | linux4u | nice sentence,friend :) |
| 01:20.03 | lilltiger | qupada: curius, comsi and take a look =D |
| 01:20.11 | qupada | so it's an evil maniacal grin then? |
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| 01:20.11 | linux4u | but you cannot hurt me :) |
| 01:20.44 | lilltiger | qupada: or just my short penis getting errected, hehe :) |
| 01:21.13 | qupada | lilltiger: that comment wasn't directed at you specifically, just pointing out that things aren't always as they've seen. and you must have seen bash.org |
| 01:21.35 | lilltiger | :) |
| 01:23.34 | linux4u | #kde is a funny and good channel |
| 01:23.45 | linux4u | it is not the case of places like gentto |
| 01:23.57 | linux4u | it is not the case of places like gentoo or c++ |
| 01:24.10 | linux4u | were poeple only wnat to talk to the topic |
| 01:24.20 | shining | I find it much less funny and good since you are here |
| 01:24.24 | shining | that may be just me |
| 01:24.31 | linux4u | then I am hurt |
| 01:24.35 | Renze | it's not just you, shining |
| 01:24.42 | linux4u | pahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:24.46 | straw | ah, linux4u |
| 01:24.53 | linux4u | ooops |
| 01:24.55 | linux4u | renze |
| 01:24.59 | straw | the king of blah blah blah |
| 01:24.59 | linux4u | what did I dod |
| 01:25.04 | linux4u | lol |
| 01:25.21 | linux4u | ;((linux4u crying on tux harm) |
| 01:28.49 | shining | is it better to use another branch for looking to fix bugs, or making some improvments? |
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| 01:29.59 | Sutoka | shining: in kde svn? |
| 01:30.24 | Sutoka | shining: asking that on #kde-devel would probably get better answers (i.e. not me) |
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| 01:38.42 | Viper550 | So, does anyone wanna see my "time machine" setup? |
| 01:39.53 | Viper550 | http://bay01.imagebay.com/bay.php?view=6960_kde_retrostyle.png |
| 01:40.28 | lilltiger | nice :) |
| 01:40.31 | Sutoka | Viper550: nice work |
| 01:40.36 | Viper550 | Brings back memories? |
| 01:41.32 | Sutoka | Viper550: that was the first version of KDE 3 i used... first version actually since i had used Mandrake 7.1 many moons before |
| 01:41.33 | lilltiger | 3.1 wasent that long ago :) |
| 01:41.50 | lilltiger | but same here, first kde |
| 01:41.50 | qupada | lilltiger: it was 2 years or so |
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| 01:41.53 | Renze | Viper550: now make it look like KDE 1.1 :D |
| 01:41.59 | Viper550 | LOL |
| 01:42.11 | Sutoka | qupada: over 3, look at the release date |
| 01:42.13 | qupada | in fact, 2.5 years, going on the date on that web page in the screenshot |
| 01:42.13 | Renze | that was the first version I used :D |
| 01:42.15 | Viper550 | Well, I could get close to that at least... |
| 01:42.24 | lilltiger | started with kde like 3-4years ago.. i think i used 3.1 back then |
| 01:42.38 | Viper550 | That's what I was originally going to do, before I thought 3.1 would be easier to replicate |
| 01:42.44 | qupada | og wait, 2003 |
| 01:42.46 | shining | in the kde310 screen, konqueror still has a menu |
| 01:42.46 | qupada | 3.5 years |
| 01:42.54 | linux4u | http://images.google.ca/images?hl=fr&q=kde%200%20&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 01:42.55 | shining | it's not mac os style |
| 01:43.23 | shining | desktop menu bar rather |
| 01:43.29 | shining | no? |
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| 01:44.11 | lilltiger | noth when I used it |
| 01:44.23 | lilltiger | but used it on gentoo.. dont know about other distros |
| 01:44.46 | linux4u | (linux4u is waiting to be socially reintegrated by kde peers) |
| 01:44.52 | shining | the default could have been changed for the screenshot though |
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| 01:49.05 | Viper550 | Think Keramik was nice when it was still around? |
| 01:49.49 | lilltiger | Viper550: it's still aound isent it? |
| 01:49.55 | lilltiger | around |
| 01:49.58 | Viper550 | As default I meant... |
| 01:50.01 | lilltiger | ahh :9 |
| 01:50.10 | lilltiger | i thin plasma is a better default |
| 01:50.14 | lilltiger | think |
| 01:50.32 | lilltiger | not that I use plasma at all :) |
| 01:50.39 | Sutoka | lilltiger: you mean plastic? |
| 01:50.45 | lilltiger | yes |
| 01:50.59 | lilltiger | why o why did I say plasma :) |
| 01:51.10 | Sutoka | i <3 crystal-gl... im gonna be sad when i have to abandon it for KDE4 |
| 01:51.41 | lilltiger | tinydeco :) |
| 01:51.47 | lilltiger | 12px deco :) |
| 01:52.09 | Sutoka | i wanna see a 'no-deco' theme... |
| 01:52.30 | lilltiger | just choose to hide it then |
| 01:52.38 | Viper550 | I'm just wondering, can the older Crystal icons work on KDE still? |
| 01:52.49 | Sutoka | Viper550: i think so |
| 01:53.00 | lilltiger | Sutoka: just advanced->no border |
| 01:53.03 | Viper550 | Is there a way to obtain it? |
| 01:53.17 | Sutoka | Viper550: SVN? |
| 01:53.24 | linux4u | and alt+F3 or F7 to retrieve |
| 01:53.32 | Sutoka | lilltiger: for tinydeco? |
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| 01:53.38 | lilltiger | Sutoka: any deco |
| 01:53.56 | linux4u | (linux4u did it himself,a geek cannot be far from his peers);) ) |
| 01:53.58 | lilltiger | Sutoka: alt+F3 -> Advanced -> no border |
| 01:54.30 | linux4u | laptop is a good theme too |
| 01:54.38 | linux4u | as galaxy |
| 01:55.00 | Viper550 | I just realized, the older Crystal on 3.1 is Crystal GT |
| 01:55.26 | linux4u | all icon works |
| 01:55.32 | linux4u | even kde xp (gogle it) |
| 01:55.39 | linux4u | -r even kde xp (google it) |
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| 01:56.46 | SlicerDicer- | can anybody help me with how to get rid of a second desktop? |
| 01:56.51 | SlicerDicer- | I had dual X sessions for a while |
| 01:56.55 | SlicerDicer- | cut back to a single X session |
| 01:57.11 | SlicerDicer- | now all my things that end up in kicker such as amarok, skype etc all go to a non existant screen |
| 01:57.20 | SlicerDicer- | how would I nuke that out so I dont have multiple desktops? |
| 01:57.25 | Viper550 | Now my KDE 3.1 like setup is authentic...almost |
| 01:57.38 | linux4u | use speakfreely wine it |
| 01:58.17 | Viper550 | Now, does anyone still have the old KDE 3.1 kcsrc file? |
| 01:58.39 | linux4u | you can type any ip and instaly call on the pc user without any app,and he will receive the sound |
| 01:59.08 | linux4u | he can be afraid if not aware of your call |
| 01:59.13 | linux4u | so be carefull |
| 01:59.26 | linux4u | and it doesnt work with firewl |
| 02:00.01 | Sutoka | lilltiger: i meant gobally, as in not having ANY theme... though i guess i could wild card a rule that disabled all borders |
| 02:00.14 | lilltiger | yes :) |
| 02:02.00 | linux4u | who is the more beautiful KDE sessions streamer out there |
| 02:02.02 | Viper550 | Where in the KDE SVN would be color schemes? |
| 02:02.09 | linux4u | KDE sessions streamer out there == user |
| 02:03.22 | linux4u | bethany joy lenz |
| 02:03.29 | Renze | Sutoka: I'd advise "yes" |
| 02:03.37 | linux4u | she is the more beautiful girl in the world ,right ? |
| 02:05.20 | SlicerDicer- | is anybody aware of how to revert from having multiple X sessions to a single one? |
| 02:05.33 | SlicerDicer- | cause it keeps putting things that should go to kicker into a non existant desktop |
| 02:05.40 | Sutoka | SlicerDicer-: you mean dualhead/xinerama/twinview? |
| 02:05.42 | SlicerDicer- | then I am unable to access them such as kmix, skype etc |
| 02:05.45 | SlicerDicer- | Sutoka: yes indeed |
| 02:05.52 | SlicerDicer- | I had dualhead seperate X sessions |
| 02:05.56 | Sutoka | SlicerDicer-: did you change your xorg.conf back? |
| 02:05.59 | SlicerDicer- | yes |
| 02:06.01 | linux4u | wow |
| 02:06.06 | linux4u | triplehead2go |
| 02:06.23 | SlicerDicer- | Sutoka: I just commented out all the settings beacuse sometime soon I will go back to dualhead just not right now |
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| 02:08.39 | SlicerDicer- | Sutoka: I am about to the point of saying to hell with it and reinstalling kubuntu but I dont want to go that far if I dont have to |
| 02:09.41 | Viper550 | I've noticed that there is a difference between the Keramik colors shipped with KDE 3.5 and the KDE 3.1 Default Keramik colors...where can I find the older one? |
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| 02:10.01 | linux4u | so |
| 02:10.08 | linux4u | I did a session |
| 02:10.20 | linux4u | session close to session new |
| 02:10.22 | linux4u | in suse |
| 02:10.26 | linux4u | 7 seconds |
| 02:10.43 | SlicerDicer- | wow you must feel special linux4u |
| 02:10.52 | linux4u | with windows it would take 1 sec |
| 02:10.56 | linux4u | :) |
| 02:11.00 | linux4u | X6800 |
| 02:11.13 | linux4u | I will have to give it back to its owner ;( |
| 02:11.18 | linux4u | i want to steal it |
| 02:11.42 | linux4u | 7 secs to use xchat |
| 02:11.51 | linux4u | it was actually 4 secs to start |
| 02:12.57 | linux4u | so windows was actually 5 secs instead of 8 |
| 02:13.00 | Renze | SlicerDicer-: I recommend using /ignore on him... the rest of us have. |
| 02:13.09 | linux4u | ooow |
| 02:13.17 | linux4u | dont do |
| 02:14.34 | linux4u | 1000 dollars for a cpu |
| 02:14.55 | linux4u | can I borw you some cash ? :) |
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| 02:52.08 | ret | i'm having some issues, with kde based apps, i installed kde & all the deps and when i use things like kopete i get an error saying libpng.so.0 can't be found, etc |
| 02:52.25 | ret | i got the libpng sources, reinstalled, etc, still gives me the same error |
| 02:52.32 | leonardovaz | hmmm |
| 02:52.34 | ret | help please |
| 02:52.40 | Sutoka | ret: did it provide libpng.so.0? |
| 02:52.50 | ret | kopete: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:52.51 | leonardovaz | ret: what distro are you running there? |
| 02:53.20 | ret | leonardovaz: zenwalk 2.4, its worked before this has never happened before now |
| 02:53.28 | ret | its a slackware based distro |
| 02:53.39 | leonardovaz | i see... |
| 02:54.02 | leonardovaz | first of all, do you know where libpng.so.0 is? |
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| 02:54.48 | ret | /usr/lib/ ? |
| 02:55.02 | leonardovaz | check it... |
| 02:55.21 | leonardovaz | ls -l /usr/lib/libpng* |
| 02:55.29 | ret | not there, libpng.so.3 |
| 02:55.37 | leonardovaz | hmmm |
| 02:55.44 | ret | hold |
| 02:55.47 | leonardovaz | try this command: |
| 02:55.49 | ret | libpng-config libpng.so.3.1.2.8 libpng12.so.0 |
| 02:55.50 | ret | libpng.so libpng12-config libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 |
| 02:55.50 | ret | libpng.so.3 libpng12.so |
| 02:56.14 | leonardovaz | ldd `which kopete` |
| 02:56.18 | ret | ? |
| 02:56.49 | ret | libpng.so.0 => not found |
| 02:56.57 | ret | printf a fair few times |
| 02:57.06 | ret | printed* |
| 02:57.35 | ret | can i download this seperately or something |
| 02:57.36 | leonardovaz | ldd `which kopete` |grep -i not |
| 02:57.40 | ret | since its inexistent |
| 02:57.54 | leonardovaz | this gonna show you what libraries are absent... |
| 02:58.09 | ret | "libpng.so.0 => not found |
| 02:58.20 | ret | printed about 10 times |
| 02:58.25 | leonardovaz | well seem you have libpng but you don't have the right link |
| 02:58.42 | leonardovaz | try this following command as root: |
| 02:59.06 | leonardovaz | ln -s /usr/lib/libpng.so /usr/lib/libpng.so.0 |
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| 02:59.46 | leonardovaz | what it gonna do? easy... kopete is complaining there is no libpng.so.0 in your lib path |
| 02:59.51 | ret | alright |
| 02:59.59 | leonardovaz | and we're gonna create it. |
| 03:00.17 | ret | gr8 kopete is running now |
| 03:01.22 | leonardovaz | good :) |
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| 03:01.41 | ret | hrm |
| 03:01.56 | ret | root[~]# sh: iceauth: command not found |
| 03:01.59 | ret | Invalid entry (missing '=') at /tmp/kde-root/kconf_updateNGIMya.tmp:1 |
| 03:02.10 | ret | a few other warnings.. |
| 03:02.23 | leonardovaz | yeah, but it works, right? |
| 03:02.36 | ret | cdyes |
| 03:02.39 | ret | it works |
| 03:04.00 | ret | thanks leonardovaz |
| 03:04.49 | leonardovaz | you're welcome ret. :) |
| 03:06.09 | ret | :) |
| 03:08.54 | ret | :D? |
| 03:09.01 | ret | later |
| 03:09.26 | shiznix | any tips on (re-)enabling anti-alias fonts in KDE ? |
| 03:10.16 | leonardovaz | shiznix: kcontrol |
| 03:10.26 | shiznix | any text on the kicker and it's menus is anti-aliased, just not in any application |
| 03:10.32 | leonardovaz | hmmm |
| 03:10.41 | leonardovaz | distro? kde release? |
| 03:10.49 | shiznix | Gentoo, KDE-3.5.4 |
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| 03:11.14 | leonardovaz | hmmm |
| 03:11.18 | Renze | shiznix: make sure your exclude range isn't messed up |
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| 03:12.03 | _daniel_ | Hey I instert a cd and kde automounts it into a location that says media:./hdc |
| 03:12.07 | _daniel_ | where is that really ? |
| 03:12.17 | Renze | _daniel_: /media/hdc :D |
| 03:12.21 | _daniel_ | no |
| 03:12.28 | _daniel_ | there is no /media/hdc |
| 03:12.35 | Renze | there is on mine |
| 03:12.46 | Renze | but then I removed the fstab entry for my cdrom |
| 03:13.00 | Renze | it'll be whereever you set it to mount in fstab |
| 03:13.33 | _daniel_ | is in /media/cdrom |
| 03:13.40 | _daniel_ | but it doesnt mount it to there |
| 03:14.02 | Renze | check your /etc/fstab file |
| 03:14.31 | _daniel_ | daniel@home:/media$ cat /etc/fstab | grep /dev/hdc |
| 03:14.31 | _daniel_ | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 03:14.44 | Renze | then it'll be /media/cdrom0 |
| 03:15.04 | shiznix | Renze: you are guru, the exclude range was not enabled, so enabled and disabled again and all is well again |
| 03:15.18 | leonardovaz | daniel: distro? kde release?\ |
| 03:15.20 | _daniel_ | daniel@home:/media$ sudo ls /media/cdrom0 |
| 03:15.20 | _daniel_ | daniel@home:/media$ |
| 03:15.20 | Renze | shiznix: weird, but I'm glad it's fixed :) |
| 03:15.36 | _daniel_ | then again if I go on konqueror to media:/hdc I see all the songs |
| 03:15.37 | Renze | _daniel_: it is mounted, yes? |
| 03:15.42 | shiznix | now to restart Konversation |
| 03:15.52 | _daniel_ | it was automounted |
| 03:16.07 | leonardovaz | _daniel_: what are you running there? |
| 03:16.16 | _daniel_ | ubuntu | kde |
| 03:16.22 | Renze | _daniel_: cat /proc/mounts |
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| 03:17.05 | _daniel_ | daniel@home:/media$ cat /proc/mounts | grep /dev/hdc |
| 03:17.05 | _daniel_ | daniel@home:/media$ |
| 03:17.13 | trumee | guys whats the best cellphone which can sync with kde kontact? |
| 03:17.24 | Renze | _daniel_: I said nothing about grep |
| 03:17.27 | _daniel_ | daniel@home:/media$ cat /proc/mounts | grep /dev/hdc |
| 03:17.27 | _daniel_ | daniel@home:/media$ sudo pmount /dev/hdc |
| 03:17.27 | _daniel_ | mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 03:17.27 | _daniel_ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, |
| 03:17.28 | _daniel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.28 | _daniel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.30 | _daniel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.02 | _daniel_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/SXv91630.html |
| 03:18.08 | leonardovaz | _daniel_: weird... it should mount... :/ |
| 03:18.11 | Renze | _daniel_: change the filesystem type in your fstab to "auto" |
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| 03:18.44 | _daniel_ | ok trying |
| 03:19.02 | leonardovaz | have kubuntu here and it mounts cds, pendrive and other removable media without problem... :/ |
| 03:19.14 | nefertum | hi, i need to show chinese fonts in konqueror, what should I do? |
| 03:19.18 | Renze | have gentoo here, and no problems... I even don't bother with the fstab entries |
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| 03:19.29 | Renze | nefertum: install the intlfonts package for your distro |
| 03:19.29 | _daniel_ | no it doesnt show anything in /media/cdrom0 |
| 03:19.36 | _daniel_ | while it does in media:/hdc |
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| 03:19.40 | nefertum | intlfonts of kde? |
| 03:19.47 | Renze | nefertum: no, intlfonts of linux |
| 03:20.01 | nefertum | mmmm, what distro are you using Renze ? |
| 03:20.05 | Renze | gentoo |
| 03:20.57 | nefertum | Renze: but do you mean the inlt fonts for X no? |
| 03:20.58 | _daniel_ | so how come is showing something in /media:/hdc and not in /media/cdrom0 |
| 03:20.59 | smileaf | evening Renze :) |
| 03:21.03 | Renze | nefertum: yes |
| 03:21.09 | Renze | afternoon smileaf :) |
| 03:21.13 | nefertum | i've installed them, and it doesnt work |
| 03:21.30 | leonardovaz | _daniel_: it shows at least icons on desktop? |
| 03:21.30 | nefertum | konqueror shows other chars |
| 03:21.40 | Renze | _daniel_: try right clicking on the icon and select Open Medium System Folder and see where it takes you |
| 03:21.41 | _daniel_ | yes icons in desktop are shown |
| 03:22.00 | leonardovaz | Renze: afternoon? it's 00:21 am here |
| 03:22.02 | Renze | nefertum: all I had to do was install intlfonts, and konqueror showed them |
| 03:22.07 | _daniel_ | no suck option |
| 03:22.08 | Renze | Sat Aug 26 15:22:04 NZST 2006 |
| 03:22.14 | _daniel_ | it has options like play etx |
| 03:22.17 | Renze | _daniel_: blame ubuntu for removing it |
| 03:22.19 | leonardovaz | new zeland? |
| 03:22.21 | smileaf | nefertum: check your encoding? |
| 03:22.24 | Renze | leonardovaz: yes |
| 03:22.30 | leonardovaz | one day ahead. |
| 03:22.38 | leonardovaz | south of brazil. |
| 03:22.55 | nefertum | yeah smileaf, i've changed it to chinese traditional and modern |
| 03:23.25 | nefertum | or simplified chinese, i dont know |
| 03:23.26 | Renze | nefertum: I didn't have to do anything except install that package, and everything just worked |
| 03:23.32 | nefertum | but it doesnt work |
| 03:23.39 | nefertum | mmm, gentoo is great Renze :) |
| 03:24.05 | nefertum | Renze: could you check is not any line in xorg.conf related to chinese fonts? |
| 03:24.13 | nefertum | perhaps it's a problem in it |
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| 03:24.28 | Renze | nefertum: nope, nothing special in xorg.conf |
| 03:24.34 | leonardovaz | well, gotta sleep. |
| 03:24.38 | leonardovaz | later folks, |
| 03:25.19 | smileaf | nefertum: have you checked to see if the fonts are visible in other apps? |
| 03:25.37 | nefertum | i'ved tried it in firefox...and the same problem |
| 03:26.07 | smileaf | so it's a website that is having the issues? |
| 03:26.25 | Renze | what URL? |
| 03:26.52 | nefertum | http://www.google.com/intl/zh-cn/ |
| 03:26.52 | smileaf | (btw I ment a document program to see if a chinese font set was found) |
| 03:28.12 | nefertum | mmm, i think i've found the problem |
| 03:28.16 | Renze | works in firefox and konqueror here, although konq shows some of the characters as · |
| 03:28.20 | nefertum | i need to reboot X's |
| 03:28.21 | nefertum | see you |
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| 03:32.06 | nefertum | ok, it doesnt work |
| 03:32.10 | nefertum | i've added /usr/share/xfonts/X11/misc to section Files in xorg.conf, but nothing... |
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| 04:08.00 | sabrosa | hi |
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| 04:23.56 | sabrosa | hola |
| 04:24.57 | sabrosa | que nadie habla español o que ??? |
| 04:25.41 | Ringwraith` | no hable espanol |
| 04:26.16 | sabrosa | ?? |
| 04:26.16 | sabrosa | que?? |
| 04:26.17 | sabrosa | -.- |
| 04:26.21 | Renze | hable en inglés, por favor |
| 04:26.54 | Renze | and that's about all the spanish I know |
| 04:27.12 | sabrosa | quien eres ?? |
| 04:27.21 | Renze | sorry, I don't understand what you're saying |
| 04:27.30 | sabrosa | y por que no puedo hablar español :@ |
| 04:27.38 | Renze | it's all greek to me |
| 04:28.03 | sabrosa | how old are you ?? |
| 04:28.16 | Renze | none of your business |
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| 04:28.48 | sabrosa | hay que aburrido nadie sable hablar español que chafa |
| 04:29.02 | shinobi2 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/qMO0aq33.html <-- i tried to compile but got those errors |
| 04:29.55 | Renze | shinobi2: correctly install the development tools as supplied by your distro |
| 04:30.28 | shinobi2 | Renze: ubuntu comes with nothing, i use synaptic to install it |
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| 04:30.45 | Renze | sorry, can't help you with ubuntu... I don't use that distro |
| 04:33.34 | Ringwraith` | Renze, sorry for the SLOW response you dont use ubuntu? ;) |
| 04:33.51 | Renze | no, I don't use ubuntu :P |
| 04:34.21 | Ringwraith` | i type faster than ubuntu |
| 04:34.27 | Ringwraith` | literally! |
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| 06:22.16 | ^Spinner | where do I change the mouse button behaviour so it doesn't give me a popup menu everytime I drag an icon |
| 06:22.38 | Renze | you mean the Copy/Move popup? |
| 06:22.41 | ^Spinner | yeah |
| 06:22.55 | Renze | I don't think you can disable that |
| 06:23.07 | ^Spinner | really? |
| 06:23.09 | ^Spinner | :-\ |
| 06:24.42 | Renze | ^Spinner: do you want drag and drop to only have one behaviour? |
| 06:24.54 | ^Spinner | yeah |
| 06:25.07 | Renze | so you want fewer options? try gnome :D |
| 06:25.27 | ^Spinner | lol - since that's only a joke I won't pick it apart |
| 06:25.29 | ^Spinner | ;-) |
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| 06:25.59 | ^Spinner | so kde doesn't have the same 'windows' functionality with default to an action unless you right drag? |
| 06:26.12 | Renze | no, KDE is not Windows |
| 06:26.21 | ^Spinner | there's gotta be |
| 06:26.31 | ^Spinner | zif MS can makes something better than open source |
| 06:26.41 | ^Spinner | except mice and keyboards |
| 06:26.44 | Renze | better? by who's measure? |
| 06:26.52 | ^Spinner | greater diversity = better |
| 06:26.58 | Renze | I like the behaviour exactly as it is :P |
| 06:27.02 | ^Spinner | I don' |
| 06:27.02 | ^Spinner | t |
| 06:27.09 | ^Spinner | should be configurable |
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| 06:27.22 | Renze | so change it, make a patch, and send it to the developers :) |
| 06:27.33 | Renze | you have the source, and no excuses :D |
| 06:27.41 | ^Spinner | sigh - was hoping I wouldn't have to :-\ |
| 06:28.57 | XVampireX | Renze: KDE is windows, it tries to be windows, at least. |
| 06:29.14 | Renze | not on my system |
| 06:29.21 | SwordManX | any of you here have a hp printer? |
| 06:29.25 | SwordManX | hmm it does fine with me (KDE) |
| 06:29.25 | Renze | my flatmate thinks it's much closer to OSX |
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| 06:30.02 | qupada | SwordManX: yeah, i do (laserjet 1022). what's up with yours? |
| 06:30.03 | Renze | kendrick: I agree |
| 06:30.04 | kendrick | i feel so freakin' constrained in both windows and osx |
| 06:30.25 | Renze | kendrick: nothing like freedom to make computers fun, eh? :) |
| 06:30.35 | kendrick | :) |
| 06:30.39 | qupada | at least osx has half the stuff a linux system does under the surface if you go digging for it |
| 06:30.50 | XVampireX | Renze: KDE will always be like windows if you like it or not, because it's the default look. |
| 06:31.02 | Renze | XVampireX: who the hell sticks with defaults? |
| 06:31.17 | Renze | I make KDE look how *I* want it to look |
| 06:31.18 | XVampireX | Many do |
| 06:31.20 | XVampireX | And it doesn't matter |
| 06:31.25 | Renze | many is not me |
| 06:31.27 | XVampireX | Because the default look of KDE is windows'ish |
| 06:31.38 | XVampireX | It means that KDE = Windows'ish |
| 06:31.40 | qupada | one thing i will say about the defaults is the fonts are about twice the size they need to be |
| 06:31.48 | Renze | XVampireX: actually the default look of KDE varies from distro to distro |
| 06:32.07 | XVampireX | Not really |
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| 06:32.10 | Renze | really |
| 06:32.11 | T3hWiz0rd | hi |
| 06:32.13 | XVampireX | Not what matters |
| 06:32.31 | XVampireX | Show me a distro that does it completely differently ? |
| 06:32.35 | T3hWiz0rd | can anyone tell me why amarok would be saying there is no audio channel when i go to play.flac files but it plays .mp3 fine? |
| 06:32.41 | SwordManX | qupada, i am having trouble producing high quality prints out of it |
| 06:32.45 | Renze | XVampireX: I didn't say anything about "completely differently" |
| 06:32.52 | SwordManX | i have a deskjet d4160 |
| 06:32.56 | SwordManX | 4100 series |
| 06:32.56 | Renze | XVampireX: please grow up and stop misinterpreting me |
| 06:33.02 | SwordManX | it promises a maximum dpi of 1200, but with the pdd provided i can only do up to 600 dpi |
| 06:33.06 | XVampireX | Well guess what |
| 06:33.09 | qupada | SwordManX: are you using the 'recommended' driver listed on linuxprinting.org ? |
| 06:33.11 | XVampireX | changing the icons is not enough |
| 06:33.25 | T3hWiz0rd | anyone? |
| 06:33.34 | Renze | whine whine whine |
| 06:33.41 | XVampireX | Renze is an idiot |
| 06:34.04 | XVampireX | The truth is out there |
| 06:34.13 | Renze | let me know if he does anything apart from complaining |
| 06:34.17 | SwordManX | qupada, of course |
| 06:34.20 | SwordManX | but when i go in cups |
| 06:34.24 | SwordManX | several of them are recommended |
| 06:34.29 | SwordManX | and i use the closest one to mine |
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| 06:34.36 | SwordManX | which is the d4100 series one |
| 06:34.48 | qupada | SwordManX: just to make sure we're on the same page, this one? http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_D4100 |
| 06:34.58 | woodwizzle | I want to make an EnhancedCD in K3B. Is this possible with the mixed mode feature? |
| 06:35.04 | SwordManX | qupada, yep |
| 06:35.06 | woodwizzle | or do I need to do it differently |
| 06:35.13 | SwordManX | view the ppd file |
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| 06:35.41 | XVampireX | they say that ignorance cannot be cured. |
| 06:36.17 | qupada | SwordManX: yes, it's evident there is no 1200dpi option anywhere in the file |
| 06:36.35 | SwordManX | yeah but it is advertised that it can do as such :( |
| 06:36.39 | SwordManX | i'm so sad lol |
| 06:37.02 | Renze | most advertising cannot be believed |
| 06:37.04 | qupada | SwordManX: i don't get the 1200dpi option with hpijs for my printer either |
| 06:37.19 | SwordManX | well should it be able to ? |
| 06:37.34 | qupada | my printer is rated 1200x1200dpi |
| 06:37.52 | SwordManX | hmm |
| 06:38.27 | qupada | i get choices of 300x300 or 600x600dpi with hpijs, 600x600 or 600x1200dpi with foo2zjs, no 1200x1200dpi option anywhere |
| 06:39.11 | woodwizzle | Is there a k3b irc channel anywhere? |
| 06:39.31 | Renze | woodwizzle: #k3b ? |
| 06:39.33 | SwordManX | that's wack |
| 06:39.37 | qupada | woodwizzle: this is the closest you're going to get, #k3b seems pretty dead |
| 06:40.22 | woodwizzle | I was afraida that. |
| 06:40.40 | woodwizzle | Anyone in here know about the differences between CD extra and mixed mode CDs? |
| 06:40.54 | qupada | i think one of them has the audio tracks first, the other has the data track first |
| 06:40.58 | Renze | mixed mode is data and audio, isn't it? |
| 06:40.59 | SwordManX | i'm not blaming the writers of the code or anything but i want to be able to print some photos :) |
| 06:41.37 | woodwizzle | Yeah. I know k3b can do mixed mode, but I really need to make CD extra which is audio first I believe. Anyway CD extra works with a lot more CD players |
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| 06:42.00 | woodwizzle | k3b's webpage says it supports CD extra writing, but I can't find any specefics |
| 06:42.11 | qupada | SwordManX: 600x600dpi *should* produce an acceptable result. truth is unless you've got 8.5mp or bigger images you don't have 600dpi of data to go into the print anyway |
| 06:42.18 | qupada | (at 6x4") |
| 06:42.36 | SwordManX | my friend has a digital SLR camera he took some pictures with |
| 06:43.13 | qupada | have you seen the previews of the new canon eos-400d? (latest in the cheapo line of dslr's) |
| 06:43.28 | qupada | http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06082416canoneos400drebelxti.asp << damn nice camera for the price |
| 06:43.53 | Renze | qupada: buy me one :D |
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| 06:44.24 | SwordManX | nah haven't seen it yet |
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| 06:48.05 | knoppix | hello @ all |
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| 07:10.01 | knoppix | hello ? |
| 07:10.15 | rabauke | hi |
| 07:10.38 | knoppix | So many names at the far right. |
| 07:10.49 | knoppix | It's so kwiet. |
| 07:10.51 | kendrick | heh |
| 07:10.59 | kendrick | it's 12am on a friday (pacific time) |
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| 07:11.04 | kendrick | people are probably KPartying |
| 07:11.10 | knoppix | 12:10 am |
| 07:11.15 | kendrick | or KSleeping |
| 07:11.17 | rabauke | kde is bugless and perfectly intuitive, no questions to pose! :p |
| 07:11.21 | kendrick | rabauke: hehe |
| 07:11.40 | knoppix | I'm using a knoppix live dvd |
| 07:12.03 | knoppix | need to fix grub |
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| 07:12.57 | Renze | [Reuters] Taller people are smarter :D |
| 07:13.11 | knoppix | They are in my case. |
| 07:13.51 | rabauke | knoppix: you might find eople familiar with knoppix in the #knoppix channel, or some debian channel, since it is debian based. grub is not really kde-related |
| 07:14.25 | knoppix | I'm just checking out the live dvd |
| 07:14.49 | knoppix | This room aseems to be the default room. |
| 07:15.05 | Renze | use the power of the /join command |
| 07:15.08 | rabauke | so grub is not installed? how would you fix it, if it is not isntalled |
| 07:15.15 | knoppix | I made popcorn, and am taking a break. |
| 07:15.52 | knoppix | You can open a terminal and access hard drive from the live dvd |
| 07:16.14 | Renze | duh |
| 07:16.56 | knoppix | The popcorn is all gone. |
| 07:17.06 | knoppix | It was excellent. |
| 07:17.17 | rabauke | if you are using a live-dvd, grub is on the DVD and hence not editable in any way |
| 07:17.48 | rabauke | you would have to install the system in order to have grub on your harddisk and hence be able to edit its settings |
| 07:17.50 | knoppix | Grub is installed on the hard drive which is accessed from the live dvd. |
| 07:18.11 | knoppix | You boot from the DVD. |
| 07:18.27 | Renze | amazing grasp of the obvious |
| 07:18.28 | knoppix | Run entirely on RAM |
| 07:18.33 | rabauke | so you are running some other linux? |
| 07:18.46 | rabauke | what distro installed grub? |
| 07:18.59 | knoppix | With knoppix, you can access the installed hard drives. |
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| 07:19.15 | rabauke | I know, yet that does not mean anything |
| 07:19.15 | Renze | knoppix: why do you keep telling us stuff we already know? |
| 07:19.33 | knoppix | This machine has Fedora Core Five |
| 07:19.37 | Renze | ew |
| 07:19.38 | rabauke | running a live dvd does not do anything to your harddisk, so you cannot edit anything |
| 07:19.48 | rabauke | ah, |
| 07:19.53 | knoppix | You can access stuff. |
| 07:20.07 | rabauke | you need to ask better questions ;) |
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| 07:20.26 | knoppix | I haven't asked any questions. |
| 07:20.42 | rabauke | then you do not need any answers...bye |
| 07:20.45 | knoppix | midnight snack |
| 07:20.54 | Renze | Sat Aug 26 19:20:49 NZST 2006 |
| 07:20.58 | Renze | nowhere near midnight |
| 07:21.12 | knoppix | twenty minutes past here |
| 07:21.25 | Renze | then you are 19 hours behind me |
| 07:21.33 | knoppix | All the ghosties and haint were out. |
| 07:22.13 | Renze | knoppix: have you been seasoning your popcorn with hash? |
| 07:22.23 | knoppix | So I'll ask a question. What is this place ? |
| 07:22.33 | knoppix | popcorn salt |
| 07:24.15 | knoppix | Well, do have fun y'all. But not too much. |
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| 07:33.56 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 07:34.14 | rabauke | hello |
| 07:34.36 | metalfan_ | the navigation panel in konqueorr magically disappeared....ive tried to load web browser and related profiles...they all look the same. i need my back button :) |
| 07:35.00 | rabauke | what happens if you press F9 |
| 07:35.08 | benJIman | right click -> toolbars -> main |
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| 07:35.22 | rabauke | ah, that panel |
| 07:35.25 | rabauke | :] |
| 07:35.40 | kendrick | heheheh |
| 07:35.44 | kendrick | i hate websites that hide those |
| 07:36.35 | ChrisWhite | I call that the back button :p |
| 07:37.00 | kendrick | uh |
| 07:37.04 | kendrick | when the back button has been removed? :) |
| 07:37.23 | ChrisWhite | I close the window :p |
| 07:37.25 | kendrick | also, it's usually on stupid sites that decide some photo or other page needs to be in a pop-up window, rather than in my actual browser |
| 07:37.31 | metalfan_ | below "visible actions" (free translation from german) i can see back, forward, up start....but they dont appear in the browser |
| 07:37.33 | kendrick | ChrisWhite: yeah, me too, usually :) |
| 07:37.43 | ChrisWhite | and after I close the window |
| 07:37.51 | ChrisWhite | I add the site's ip to my denied hosts |
| 07:37.53 | metalfan_ | ive also tried to restart konqueror :( |
| 07:37.56 | kendrick | metalfan_: Settings -> Toolbars |
| 07:38.01 | metalfan_ | i know |
| 07:38.25 | kendrick | ok, i'm confused :) |
| 07:38.39 | rabauke | einrichten > werkzeugleisten > haupt-werkzeugleiste |
| 07:39.11 | ChrisWhite | well, well! |
| 07:39.20 | ChrisWhite | I think you're a haupt-werkzeugleiste too! |
| 07:39.25 | rabauke | oder einstellungen > werkzeugleisten einrichten, if only one button is missing |
| 07:39.38 | metalfan_ | back, forward and all the other nice buttons are below "visible" ...they should appear |
| 07:39.55 | rabauke | main-toolbar that is, ChrisWhite |
| 07:40.18 | metalfan_ | i will try to erase ~/.konqueror |
| 07:40.31 | ChrisWhite | I'm trying out xara today |
| 07:40.40 | ChrisWhite | their svn is nuts.. it's like 230MB |
| 07:40.44 | rabauke | metalfan_: press STRG+ESC and kill all konqueror instances in order to really restart it. |
| 07:40.56 | rabauke | is there a .konqueroro? |
| 07:41.18 | rabauke | there might be .kde/share/config/konquerorrc |
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| 07:43.48 | kendrick | xara's pretty nice |
| 07:44.07 | metalfan_ | moving konqueor...rc helped |
| 07:44.08 | metalfan_ | thx |
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| 07:46.54 | metalfan_ | in the old config theres a setting "Hidden=true" below main toolbar |
| 07:47.32 | metalfan_ | ive removed that line and now konq starts up with that old config with a main toolbar, still without address toolbar...one moment |
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| 07:49.34 | metalfan_ | hm..same with the location bar. also set with option "Hidden=true". ive removed these two lines. now konq looks like i remember |
| 07:49.47 | metalfan_ | how do you set toolbars to disapear? |
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| 07:51.06 | Renze | metalfan_: Settings -> Toolbars -> Show/Hide <which toolbar> |
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| 07:52.24 | metalfan_ | Renze: thx. thats it |
| 07:52.35 | Renze | no problen |
| 07:52.40 | Renze | problem* |
| 07:52.50 | metalfan_ | i just dont remember to use that setting.... |
| 07:52.53 | Renze | can't eat and type at the same time |
| 07:53.27 | metalfan_ | if you dont succeed the first time...try try trrryyyy and try again <- sg1 hammend |
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| 08:39.36 | Ace2007 | Anyone know which package i have to emerge to get the filter bar in konqueror, i just love that |
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| 08:40.08 | canllaith | Ace2007: kdeaddons is the module in KDE svn, if that helps you find it |
| 08:40.14 | Ace2007 | ok thanks |
| 08:40.58 | shining | done |
| 08:41.42 | xwizard | errr |
| 08:41.45 | xwizard | has even |
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| 08:48.33 | jose1711 | hello, please will there be a beta/rc version of KDE 3.5.5? |
| 08:49.06 | Ace2007 | if there needs to be one i guess there will be one |
| 08:49.12 | Ace2007 | why do you ask? |
| 08:49.34 | jose1711 | cause if there is none where is the time to test l10n strings? |
| 08:50.03 | jose1711 | accelkeys conflicts, inconsistencies etc |
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| 08:52.48 | Ardonik | What, are you somehow worried that KDE will be released without being tested? |
| 08:53.09 | Ardonik | In spite of the fact that they don't make releases like that? |
| 08:54.45 | jose1711 | Ardonik: are you being sarcastic or am I missing something? |
| 08:55.08 | Ace2007 | And there will be stuff like beta versions out before the final |
| 08:55.10 | Ardonik | More curious than sarcastic. |
| 08:55.31 | xwizard | damn.. sound does not work:| |
| 08:55.49 | jose1711 | yeah, but the commits to l10n will be approved until the very final version? |
| 08:56.29 | Ardonik | Try asking #kde-devel. |
| 09:00.28 | alsuren | jose1711: I heard somewhere that the string freeze is designed to stop the need for internationalisation testing |
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| 09:04.25 | AbsintheSyringe | guys is the rumor that xgl will be included in 4.0 true? |
| 09:04.59 | marine|FrMa | well, i'd love it |
| 09:05.01 | shining | how can xgl be included in kde?! |
| 09:05.11 | marine|FrMa | because i cant get it working right |
| 09:05.29 | marine|FrMa | but a kde-window-decorator |
| 09:05.42 | marine|FrMa | like gnome has |
| 09:06.00 | shining | so it doesn't work, but you still want kde to support it? that makes sense.. |
| 09:06.09 | Renze | kwin in kde4 will do it's own thing, with no need for compiz |
| 09:06.09 | shining | I hope there won't be any support for it |
| 09:06.13 | alsuren | marine|FrMa: there was mention in this channel of a GL based composite(transparency) manager in KDE4 |
| 09:06.23 | shining | and that time is spent on more useful things |
| 09:06.30 | AbsintheSyringe | I dont know I just heard it'll be included in 4.0 somehow |
| 09:06.41 | AbsintheSyringe | compelte rumor that's why I'm asking if anyone knows more |
| 09:06.48 | marine|FrMa | tks alsuren |
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| 09:07.29 | alsuren | don't know why I pointed that comment at marine|FrMa. Sorry :P |
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| 09:42.38 | Ace2007 | Hi again |
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| 09:42.48 | Ace2007 | how do i customise the look of Ctrl+Esc? |
| 09:43.03 | Ace2007 | I want graphs of resource like ksysguard |
| 09:43.11 | benJIman | it is ksysguard |
| 09:43.27 | rexx | is there any way to teach KDE/Konqi to preview WMV/ASF etc. movies, too? (as it was with xine -> copying the W32-dll's) |
| 09:43.30 | Ace2007 | But why are there no system resource usage graphs like cpu? |
| 09:43.42 | benJIman | it doesn't show them for control-esc |
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| 09:44.02 | Ace2007 | i know, how do i change it so that it does? |
| 09:45.27 | benJIman | alter the shortcut to load the appropriate worksheet |
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| 09:46.34 | edulix | hi ! |
| 09:46.35 | benJIman | or if you want to just load all of them just have alt+esc start ksysguard |
| 09:46.44 | benJIman | *control-esc |
| 09:47.02 | edulix | why the svg in http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Lorenz_attractor_yb.svg does not show exactly like in the jpeg in http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Lorenz_attractor_yb.svg ? |
| 09:47.09 | edulix | it seems an error in ksvg ¿? |
| 09:47.16 | benJIman | kcontrol -> regional & accessability -> keyboard shortcuts, set control-esc to none, kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> input actions, define one for contrl-esc to start ksysguard Ace2007 |
| 09:48.32 | leo^ | how can i make taskbar buttons transparent |
| 09:48.37 | Ace2007 | oh ok |
| 09:48.42 | benJIman | leo^: in 3.5.x you can |
| 09:49.18 | leo^ | benJIman: how can i learn kde version from terminal? |
| 09:49.27 | benJIman | right click -> configure panel -> taskbar -> appearance -> for transparency |
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| 09:49.38 | benJIman | leo^: kde-config --version |
| 09:50.59 | leo^ | KDE: 3.4.3 , need to upgrade |
| 09:54.19 | Ace2007 | hi again |
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| 09:57.42 | eastwood | hi Ace2007 |
| 09:58.02 | Ace2007 | i had a question but it just solved itself |
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| 09:58.46 | lefti | how can i change proxy via dcop? |
| 09:59.19 | markey | use "kdcop" to explore all of KDE's dcop functions |
| 10:00.27 | lefti | +1 to your provocation credit |
| 10:00.55 | lefti | wow, this kdcop doesn't suck :) |
| 10:01.11 | lefti | but not returned data on "proxy" search :( |
| 10:01.50 | markey | yeah I don't think there is a dcop function for that |
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| 10:02.08 | lefti | heh? |
| 10:02.40 | lefti | so, how can i do it? |
| 10:02.53 | markey | in kcontrol? |
| 10:03.39 | lefti | strace kcontrol and i find how it does that ? |
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| 10:12.33 | lefti | hmm |
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| 10:13.32 | xwizard | kopete installed :) |
| 10:13.44 | xwizard | now everybody can erite to me :D |
| 10:13.50 | xwizard | wizard@jabber.wroc.pl |
| 10:13.51 | lefti | does kde use another way of ipc even dcop? (if does, i switch to mac :D) |
| 10:14.09 | xwizard | lefti: kde4 will use dbus |
| 10:14.45 | lefti | of course. but it will switch from dcop to dbus .... |
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| 10:15.15 | lefti | but, i asked on today situation. |
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| 10:15.52 | xwizard | only dcop |
| 10:15.56 | lefti | nice :) |
| 10:16.40 | lefti | can signals (like dbus signals) be sended over dcop? |
| 10:17.14 | xwizard | i don't know |
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| 10:17.35 | lefti | if dcop is only way of kde ipc, there has to be way how to change proxy over dcop ... |
| 10:18.18 | xwizard | lefti: i'm not sure about it. check docs or ask on #kde-devel |
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| 10:19.52 | Egyptian[Home] | hi .. my panel has suddenly began misbehaving .. i got missing icons et al.. how do i reset it? |
| 10:20.13 | markey | killall kicker |
| 10:20.18 | xwizard | :o |
| 10:20.19 | markey | should restart automatically |
| 10:21.07 | Egyptian[Home] | hmm .. i did that and also rm .kde/share/apps/kicker n nothing |
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| 10:22.26 | Egyptian[Home] | i m thonking opf rm .kde even |
| 10:22.37 | xwizard | Egyptian[Home]: better not |
| 10:22.50 | Egyptian[Home] | then? |
| 10:22.59 | xwizard | Egyptian[Home]: whad do you mean by misbehaving? |
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| 10:24.09 | Egyptian[Home] | ok lioke kdebluetooth .. it runs whern i log in coz it says it found an adapter but i dont see it nor kwifimanager nor kmix |
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| 10:24.43 | xwizard | ah... so you are talking about systray icons? |
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| 10:25.38 | xwizard | Egyptian[Home]: right click on panel -> add applet -> system notification area |
| 10:25.44 | xwizard | (soething like this) |
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| 10:28.56 | eastwood | is there a way to make the taskbar rise if some program blinks? |
| 10:29.08 | xwizard | ok, i'm going out, bbl |
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| 10:34.37 | comick | hi guys |
| 10:34.51 | comick | someone knows what debian package i have to install to have ark voice in context menus? |
| 10:34.55 | comick | like |
| 10:34.59 | comick | copress with ... |
| 10:35.01 | comick | etc |
| 10:36.35 | eastwood | voice? |
| 10:36.53 | eastwood | try konqueror |
| 10:37.01 | eastwood | and something more |
| 10:37.09 | eastwood | with synaptic it's easy |
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| 10:37.56 | eastwood | konq-speaker |
| 10:38.29 | comick | i've not this in repos |
| 10:38.45 | eastwood | then you dont have the official mirrors |
| 10:38.52 | comick | konq-plugins! |
| 10:39.11 | comick | using unstable could be |
| 10:39.37 | comick | good |
| 10:39.47 | comick | now is anything easyer |
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| 10:46.45 | bobbin | Hello... Is it possible to run apps without the GUI, so that dcop can be used to execute speciic bits of it in the background? |
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| 10:47.18 | bobbin | Hello... Is it possible to run apps without the GUI, so that dcop can be used to execute specific bits of it in the background? ;-) |
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| 10:48.03 | koala_man | you can start them on a dummy X server |
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| 11:16.53 | Hubble | hey :) |
| 11:16.58 | Hubble | are here kstars developer? |
| 11:18.32 | bobbin | koala_man: how do I start them on a dummy X server? |
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| 11:52.43 | loktar | hello ! |
| 11:53.18 | loktar | Can I ask here for some help with kde ? |
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| 11:56.53 | loktar | Anyone ??? my kicker is crashing at startup ! |
| 11:58.35 | hermier | maybe you have one problem with one of the extension |
| 11:59.32 | loktar | well, I did upgrade of KDE , but it doesn't crash on root user , I suspect some of apps that are loading into tray |
| 12:00.14 | loktar | Can I somehow enable/disable these apps ? |
| 12:00.52 | hermier | loktar, by doning some black magic in the .kde config file |
| 12:00.55 | hermier | BBL |
| 12:01.33 | loktar | I guess you are right but who knows which file ? |
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| 12:12.13 | solsTiCe | hi. i use dbus-0.62 (can't use a higher version with kde 3.5.4) and hal-0.5.7.1 and my device are automounted by hal and kde but are mounted in /media/disk /media/disk1 and do not have meaningfull name. anybody too ? i want to fill a bug report on that (but must be sure it si not my config that cause that) |
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| 12:15.35 | loktar | I solved my problem !! by removing .kde/share/config/kickerrc |
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| 12:18.41 | eastwood | sometimes when i right click a icon on desktop it freezes the system, however if i kill kopete the system uncrashes. Has any1 experienced somethin similar? |
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| 12:28.57 | SAngeli | is there a place on the Internet that would show fonts for console to choose from? I see a major listing in/usr/share/keymaps/ but then I have to choose the {arch} but do not know what to. |
| 12:29.15 | SAngeli | So, seeing a font is easier than just having a list of fonts. |
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| 12:30.07 | ataxic | you can try them one by one |
| 12:30.40 | ataxic | sorry console, nvm I thought you were on about a xterm or smt |
| 12:30.43 | SAngeli | once I select one, do I have to close my terminal and reope it? Is this all or do I have to restart something? |
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| 12:32.20 | ataxic | are you in X or is this in textmode |
| 12:32.33 | SAngeli | I am in X |
| 12:33.37 | ataxic | ok and you to change the font in xterm or smt |
| 12:33.42 | ataxic | +want |
| 12:35.43 | SAngeli | ok |
| 12:38.35 | xwizard | Does anybody have _working_ amarok |
| 12:38.36 | xwizard | ? |
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| 12:40.16 | ^Spinner | xwizard: yup |
| 12:40.26 | xwizard | damn.. |
| 12:40.31 | ^Spinner | ? |
| 12:40.37 | xwizard | i tried to compile it thouand times |
| 12:40.40 | grothesk | xwizard: Of course. |
| 12:40.53 | ^Spinner | what's the problem? |
| 12:40.53 | xwizard | and it allways works, but does not play anything |
| 12:41.06 | eastwood | xine engine missing? |
| 12:41.12 | xwizard | ugh, impossible |
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| 12:41.16 | ^Spinner | does it look like it's playing? - ie. graphica equaliser moves |
| 12:41.29 | ^Spinner | or does it just sit there frozen? |
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| 12:41.40 | xwizard | no, song which has 7:10 |
| 12:41.46 | xwizard | is played in 3 secs |
| 12:41.52 | eastwood | too fast? |
| 12:42.02 | eastwood | plays too fast then |
| 12:42.04 | eastwood | in 3s.. |
| 12:42.06 | xwizard | i cant hear anything |
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| 12:42.37 | xwizard | and..this is funny: it plays "amarok welcome" |
| 12:42.38 | xwizard | :D |
| 12:43.39 | xwizard | hmm.. this is ogg |
| 12:43.46 | xwizard | and other songs are mp3s |
| 12:43.56 | eastwood | try playing another ogg |
| 12:44.07 | xwizard | it plays |
| 12:44.36 | xwizard | any hints? |
| 12:44.57 | Hubble | are here kstars-developer? |
| 12:45.43 | Hubble | or is there an extra-chanel for developers? |
| 12:45.51 | xwizard | Hubble: #kde-devel |
| 12:46.30 | markey | xwizard: distro? |
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| 12:46.45 | xwizard | markey: gentoo/amd64 |
| 12:47.00 | markey | emerge libxine with the "mad" flag |
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| 12:47.13 | xwizard | the same was with freebsd/amd64 |
| 12:47.34 | markey | well yes, most distros don't deliver mp3 by default |
| 12:47.50 | xwizard | ok, i'll check use flags :) |
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| 12:49.13 | xwizard | ok, emerging :) thanks for hint markey |
| 12:49.26 | markey | yw |
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| 12:49.32 | markey | next time, check the amarok wiki |
| 12:49.39 | markey | all information known to mankind is in there |
| 12:49.42 | markey | somewhere |
| 12:51.28 | xwizard | ok |
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| 12:51.54 | Marco` | hi |
| 12:51.57 | Marco` | is there a muine-like application for kde? |
| 12:52.02 | xwizard | hi Marco` |
| 12:53.18 | markey | muine is a gnome video player |
| 12:53.18 | markey | Marco`: yes, we have something similar |
| 12:53.18 | markey | Codeine |
| 12:53.19 | markey | it's really good |
| 12:53.21 | solsTiCe | amarok ? |
| 12:53.32 | markey | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17161 |
| 12:53.47 | markey | video player |
| 12:53.52 | benJIman | muine is an audio player I think |
| 12:53.55 | markey | is it? |
| 12:53.57 | markey | oh ok |
| 12:53.59 | markey | then amarok |
| 12:54.01 | markey | :) |
| 12:54.04 | xwizard | :o |
| 12:54.09 | benJIman | amarok is a bit complex in comparison |
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| 12:54.27 | benJIman | even juk is a lot more complex than muine |
| 12:55.04 | ^Spinner | xwizard: emerge -vDN is the best option in gentoo after changing flags |
| 12:55.35 | xwizard | i'm new to gentoo, still learning :) |
| 12:55.36 | benJIman | nothing in exactly that niche Marco` |
| 12:55.36 | solsTiCe | they code simple app in gnome because it's hard to make complex one ? :-) |
| 12:55.36 | ^Spinner | and if updating individual packages, using the emerge -1 option is best too |
| 12:55.51 | benJIman | lots of media players though |
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| 12:56.51 | Marco` | I was targetting for a media player aimed at playing per album, but I guess amarok can do the trick |
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| 12:57.13 | ^Spinner | xwizard: if you emerge somehting like xine-lib, use -1 flag so that it stays as a dependancy and doesn't pollute your world file |
| 12:57.34 | xwizard | -1 == --oneshot ? |
| 12:57.42 | xtrix | jup |
| 12:57.48 | xwizard | too late :D |
| 12:57.55 | ^Spinner | in other words, if it's not something that you specifically want, like xmms, kde, openoffice, etc. then a -1 is prolly the flag you want to include |
| 12:58.26 | xwizard | ok, i'll remember |
| 12:58.38 | xwizard | end delete xine from world file |
| 12:58.39 | ^Spinner | doesn't really matter - just keeps stuff a little cleaner |
| 12:59.45 | xwizard | \o/ it works! |
| 12:59.48 | ^Spinner | speaking of audio stuff, has anyone noticed that running a long wave thru lame with the -V flag causes it to get truncated?? |
| 12:59.57 | ^Spinner | xwizard: nice ;-) |
| 13:00.11 | ^Spinner | gotta treat those use flags nicely ;-) |
| 13:00.14 | xwizard | thanks alot markey, ^Spinner |
| 13:00.35 | markey | :) |
| 13:00.48 | markey | happy users make developers happy ;) |
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| 13:01.11 | ^Spinner | xwizard: since you've just updated some flags, it might be a good idea to update things that depend on it - emerge -vDNa world |
| 13:01.36 | xwizard | umm, ok |
| 13:01.40 | xwizard | ;) |
| 13:01.49 | mariux_ | what the?! |
| 13:01.55 | xwizard | first i'll do emerge --sync |
| 13:02.06 | mariux_ | google has a "this page might harm your computer" |
| 13:02.18 | ^Spinner | haha - before redirecting to microsoft.com? |
| 13:02.46 | mariux_ | hehe, well no, but still :) |
| 13:02.47 | xwizard | look at this: ie7.com ^^ |
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| 13:03.00 | mariux_ | just search for anything bad |
| 13:03.10 | mariux_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=serial+ut2004&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 for example |
| 13:03.24 | mariux_ | any of those links will get you to an advisory page |
| 13:04.15 | xwizard | hmm.. i see nothing :) |
| 13:04.20 | ^Spinner | nice |
| 13:04.24 | xwizard | maybe because of language tools |
| 13:04.32 | ^Spinner | well....nice for windows boxes at least |
| 13:05.16 | ^Spinner | wtf!? crackspider didn't cause that warning |
| 13:05.43 | ^Spinner | I woulda thought that site was the reason google made that page :-\ |
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| 13:08.24 | xanax` | hi |
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| 13:08.45 | xwizard | hi xanax` |
| 13:08.53 | octan | hi all |
| 13:08.58 | xwizard | hi octan |
| 13:09.08 | octan | hi xwizard |
| 13:09.09 | xwizard | i'm the happy bot, how can i help you? |
| 13:09.18 | xwizard | :) |
| 13:09.22 | octan | yes :P |
| 13:09.41 | octan | im woundering.. is ther another panel i can use for kde rather than kicker? |
| 13:10.32 | octan | kicker suxz.. its to squear |
| 13:10.44 | octan | i need something more customeble |
| 13:10.46 | stoned | octan, you're officially an idiot |
| 13:11.02 | octan | stoned, don smoke so much weed dude :P |
| 13:11.13 | stoned | no seriously, it sucks because you don't like it? |
| 13:11.16 | stoned | grow up, yeah? |
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| 13:11.37 | octan | stoned, it really suxz.. the hole code behind kicker suxz |
| 13:11.43 | xwizard | octan: try kxdocker |
| 13:11.50 | octan | its a bad pize of coding imo |
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| 13:12.00 | stoned | octan, elaborate please |
| 13:12.05 | octan | xwizard, at kde-apps? |
| 13:12.08 | stoned | give solid reasons, and back up what you say |
| 13:12.13 | stoned | just making claims is pointless |
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| 13:12.22 | xwizard | octan: nope, google for it |
| 13:12.34 | xwizard | i found it in portage |
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| 13:13.42 | octan | xwizard, that look good :) thxz man |
| 13:14.00 | Vincent_k | http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/prodotti/kxdocker/main.php |
| 13:14.21 | stoned | octan, thats what I thought |
| 13:14.23 | xwizard | octan: your welcome |
| 13:14.50 | bbkenshin | hi every one, I'm creating a splash screen, and I've a probme with theme.rc; when them ins enable, in control center, i show nothing in comments.... |
| 13:14.52 | octan | stoned, i dont have to explain myself to you why i think kicker suxz |
| 13:15.00 | stoned | octan, not to me, but to us |
| 13:15.11 | stoned | octan, if you dislike it, tell us why, so we can make it better |
| 13:15.26 | xwizard | stoned: worse day ? |
| 13:15.28 | stoned | otherwise, kindly shut the fuck up, right? |
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| 13:15.32 | stoned | xwizard, not at all |
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| 13:18.06 | canllaith | I hope you boys are playing nice now |
| 13:18.30 | xwizard | i'm very happy :D |
| 13:19.56 | canllaith | that's nice :) |
| 13:20.51 | xwizard | hmm... if i'll remove pam-login will it hur my system :P ? |
| 13:20.58 | canllaith | Probably |
| 13:21.05 | xwizard | it is blocking some 'shadow' |
| 13:22.30 | xwizard | ok, removed :D |
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| 13:23.38 | viper550 | Does anyone have the KDE 3.1 color scheme? |
| 13:23.58 | canllaith | I imagine it's still included in the KDE distribution though. Probably one of the 'keramik' ones |
| 13:24.11 | xwizard | viper550: it is called keramik |
| 13:24.17 | viper550 | But, the Keramik color scheme still included is different. |
| 13:24.24 | canllaith | hrm |
| 13:24.26 | xwizard | but i don't remember which |
| 13:24.37 | viper550 | In the screenshots of 3.1, it has a more bronzish color and a Gold scroll bar |
| 13:24.42 | canllaith | oh right |
| 13:24.48 | canllaith | I remember the gold scrollbar |
| 13:24.55 | viper550 | Also, it was labeled as "KDE Default" |
| 13:25.00 | xwizard | was it gold? |
| 13:25.02 | canllaith | Yes, but obviously it wont be anymore :) |
| 13:25.28 | viper550 | Hmm, Keramik White has the gold bar... |
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| 13:25.39 | canllaith | http://kde.org/screenshots/images/3.1/fullsize/4.png |
| 13:25.40 | canllaith | That one |
| 13:25.41 | xwizard | viper550: keramik white |
| 13:25.45 | canllaith | which does indeed look like keramik white |
| 13:25.57 | canllaith | http://kde.org/screenshots/images/3.1/fullsize/8.png |
| 13:26.03 | canllaith | Or that, with the keramik style |
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| 13:26.38 | viper550 | Thanks, I was able to modify Keramik Blue to look like that! |
| 13:26.49 | canllaith | :) |
| 13:26.56 | canllaith | Yeah, just colour picker on the screenshot ;) |
| 13:27.03 | xwizard | :D |
| 13:27.13 | canllaith | It's still included in the distribution though it's just been renamed to 'Keramik White' |
| 13:27.30 | viper550 | But, Keramik White has grey titlebars, KDE Default has Blue ones. |
| 13:27.38 | ^Spinner | xwizard: don't be suprised if you can't login after your next reboot!! |
| 13:27.45 | canllaith | if you look at that screenshot I think you'll find it's about the same colour :) |
| 13:27.55 | ^Spinner | you didn't go toggling the pam use flag did you? |
| 13:28.01 | xwizard | ^Spinner: uh :D |
| 13:28.40 | canllaith | ewwwww :P |
| 13:28.52 | viper550 | I've liked QtCurve |
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| 13:29.09 | canllaith | It's been recently updated and it's even nicer than it was |
| 13:29.21 | sorush20 | hi guys now I have created a kye pair how do I go about incrypting my data/ |
| 13:29.38 | canllaith | sorush20: that really isn't a KDE related question :) |
| 13:30.30 | viper550 | QtCurve with Gloss looks interesing with Keramik window decoration |
| 13:30.30 | xwizard | ^Spinner: it is like rolling a dice :D |
| 13:31.20 | ^Spinner | pretty much |
| 13:31.49 | ^Spinner | if you use ufed you'll see that the comments next to the pam flag say it's not the flag you wanna go arbitrarily flipping |
| 13:32.16 | xwizard | i'm so happy, that i'll take a walk :D |
| 13:32.28 | xwizard | bbl (with working system, i think) |
| 13:32.30 | ^Spinner | if you do change it, make sure it's for a good reason and then you'ld wanna do an emerge -e world (well -DN at the very least) |
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| 13:33.11 | xwizard | ^Spinner: i haven't changed pam flag :| |
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| 13:34.01 | erik_ | how do I add spelling support for swedish in kword? |
| 13:34.31 | ^Spinner | hrmm..wonder why you needed to emerge -C pam-login |
| 13:35.18 | xwizard | erik_: ispell-se :D |
| 13:35.53 | Ace2007 | you need to get rid of pam-login and use shadow, its in the #gentoo title |
| 13:36.13 | unity | do /topic #gentoo |
| 13:36.31 | unity | pam-login blocks shadow http://xrl.us/khvh |
| 13:36.57 | Ace2007 | thats it, topic, not title |
| 13:39.19 | unity | [ot] on a dsl connection with 180 KiB/sec down and 20 KiB/sec up, where would be a good place to cap the upload? i have it capped at 5, i'm thinking maybe i can squeeze more out if i capped it higher? (it's half duplex btw, so if i am uploading at 16 KiB/sec or more, the download becomes capped at around 25 KiB/sec) |
| 13:39.33 | viper550 | If you are wondering why I needed the older scheme, I was decorating my KDE desktop last night to look like 3.1 |
| 13:40.08 | Ace2007 | why did you do that? |
| 13:41.02 | viper550 | Yesterday was the 15th birthday of Linux, so I redecorated my KDE 3.5 desktop, not to go Forward in looks, but to go Backwards! |
| 13:41.45 | Ace2007 | interesting |
| 13:42.15 | Ace2007 | So Linux's birthday is on the 25th of August? |
| 13:42.32 | viper550 | Kinda, that's when Linus Torvalds originally announced it. |
| 13:42.39 | Ace2007 | Another famous person had his birthday on the 25th |
| 13:43.20 | viper550 | who? |
| 13:44.34 | Ace2007 | Well it was on the 25th but it was in December |
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| 13:58.03 | unity | oh my math teacher |
| 13:58.19 | viper550 | Oh... |
| 14:02.08 | unity | i hope you're not serious, viper550 |
| 14:02.31 | unity | hey, do dsl modems get "tired" after a couple of weeks? (tired as in they begin to slow down) |
| 14:04.47 | viper550 | Serious about what? |
| 14:05.43 | viper550 | http://bay01.imagebay.com/bay.php?view=6976_kde_retrostylev2.png |
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| 14:06.57 | zerotime | hi I am using kubuntu, and installed xgl and compiz, now I installed gnome-desktop and want to use xgl and compiz under gnome, Until now I had a xgl entry in kdm so xgl would load then kde, now I want that entry to load gnome |
| 14:07.01 | zerotime | how can I do it |
| 14:07.45 | hub | zerotime: ask the people in #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 14:07.51 | hub | zerotime: they know about gnome :-) |
| 14:07.56 | hub | zerotime: so they claim |
| 14:09.56 | markey | lol yeah |
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| 14:10.07 | zerotime | well the thing is I asked in xgl, they point me to kde or kubuntu forums, I asked in gnome, and they point me here as well, finally no one I giving me some support, |
| 14:10.15 | zerotime | so that's why I came here |
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| 14:10.20 | zerotime | but np |
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| 14:14.00 | stefano | #debian-it |
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| 14:14.55 | Ace2007 | Does anyone know how to remove the sidebar from kaffeine? |
| 14:15.32 | Ace2007 | The one that says player window and playlist and has the kde icon |
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| 14:19.36 | Ace2007 | Does anyone use kaffeine? |
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| 14:21.24 | Ace2007 | Ok forget that |
| 14:22.02 | eastwood | i do |
| 14:22.30 | Ace2007 | Can i just for kaffeine get kde to make mouse wheel up make it send the keyboard shortcut for skip forward? |
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| 14:22.50 | Urden | how can i check the battery level in kde? |
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| 14:24.04 | tech9iner | any pretty kde4 demos out on the net yet mates? |
| 14:24.12 | tech9iner | qupada moin q ;] |
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| 14:24.35 | Q-collective | tech9iner: hey |
| 14:24.38 | Q-collective | oh, not me |
| 14:24.41 | Q-collective | tssk |
| 14:24.41 | Q-collective | :> |
| 14:24.43 | tech9iner | lol |
| 14:25.00 | tech9iner | you 'q'ualify as kdeMate Q-collective lol... |
| 14:25.19 | tech9iner | or was that 'kq'ualify? ;] |
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| 14:26.54 | mobtek | Urden: try the battery applet on kicker |
| 14:26.58 | mobtek | schleep time |
| 14:27.00 | mobtek | nitey nite |
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| 14:34.44 | Ace2007 | emerge kdeaddons-meta finished, brb |
| 14:34.45 | ^Useless^ | hi, i have a problem with kde automount |
| 14:35.09 | ^Useless^ | i get the following error when i try to mount any usb storage: |
| 14:35.11 | ^Useless^ | kded: ERROR: mount failed for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_8CD8_1289: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.UnknownError - An unknown error occured |
| 14:35.20 | ^Useless^ | it seems to work fine for cds, tho |
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| 14:43.51 | Urden | mobtek, it says im plugged in - no battery when i'm running on battery power |
| 14:44.04 | unity | ~apt |
| 14:44.09 | apt | from memory, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). APT is also known as the best package management system in existence today. |
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| 14:50.50 | greeneg | hi *. does anyone know a way to stop kmix from loading the main window when it starts? I only want it to start in the system tray when it first is loaded..... |
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| 15:11.24 | ada8m | re...---... |
| 15:12.45 | ada8m | jemand da zum probeplaudern? |
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| 15:13.48 | gernot | does anybody use kde 3.5.4 on dapper? |
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| 15:17.48 | unity | the people in #kubuntu probably do |
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| 15:24.01 | doctorzoidberg | canllaith, ping |
| 15:26.16 | doctorzoidberg | anyone knows how to compile kwin svn ??? |
| 15:26.26 | doctorzoidberg | it seems that there isn't a makefile... |
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| 16:16.18 | logixoul | hi all. |
| 16:16.30 | logixoul | how do i bind capslock to a shell command? |
| 16:20.03 | logixoul | think i found it, http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CapsLockOff |
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| 16:31.42 | Dr_Willis | I can never remember the name of that kde program(s) that show the directory ussage in a graphical maner. Anyone recall the names off hand? |
| 16:32.16 | Ardonik | fsview |
| 16:32.32 | koala_man | kdirstat? |
| 16:32.35 | Dr_Willis | heh.. i just found filelight, but that wasent the one i rember.. :P |
| 16:32.48 | Dr_Willis | heh how many of these tools are there.. so far thats 3. |
| 16:33.44 | Dr_Willis | aha - fsview was the one i was thinking of.. wonder why its got no icon in the konqueror button bar like it used to. |
| 16:33.52 | Dr_Willis | time to check out kdirstat |
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| 16:52.12 | Dr_Willis | Wow - kdirstat is VERY handy. |
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| 16:53.16 | benJIman | Dr_Willis: you can also view -> view mode -> file size view, in konqueror, to get a similar effect |
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| 16:58.36 | Sergey | Hi all |
| 16:59.04 | Sergey | Can anybody help me to build kde-3.5.4 from sources? |
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| 17:03.04 | xwizard | Sergey: are you using some easy building tools? |
| 17:03.16 | xwizard | like ports, pkgsrc or portage? |
| 17:04.30 | Sergey | I'm newbie. And use just ./configure && make &&make install. On debian-box |
| 17:05.02 | xwizard | Sergey: i don't know debian at all |
| 17:05.38 | xwizard | Sergey: but if so, i would recommend downloading necessery files, read README and INSTALL and try to compiles it |
| 17:06.18 | xwizard | Sergey: run ./configure --help to see how can you tune kde for your needs |
| 17:06.26 | xwizard | remember about --prefix :) |
| 17:07.05 | xwizard | ah, and remember that kde is not small project, with many dependencies :D |
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| 17:08.03 | xwizard | i builded kde several times.. but i allways used ports or portage |
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| 17:09.42 | xwizard | hmm.. what is the dcop command for restarting kicker.. i don't want to kill it |
| 17:09.58 | xwizard | when i'm nice to my apps, they are nice for me :> |
| 17:12.32 | greeneg | kicker.kicker.restart() |
| 17:12.54 | Sergey | All dependencies were satisfied. And I get error while kdebase compilation |
| 17:13.33 | Sergey | arts and kdelibs were builded normally |
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| 17:14.13 | xwizard | greeneg: thanks |
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| 17:14.19 | xwizard | i found it in kdcop :D |
| 17:14.28 | greeneg | xwizard: so did I |
| 17:14.39 | greeneg | I couldn't remember the nesting for it |
| 17:14.42 | Sergey | Error string is "No rule for making target `/usr/include/kbookmarknotifier.h', needed for kbookmarknotifier.kidl'. Exiting" |
| 17:14.48 | Dr_Willis | benJIman, AHA! thats what i used to use.. it used to have an icon right there in the toolbar. :) |
| 17:15.14 | xwizard | hmm |
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| 17:53.57 | sgcplayer | I am having trouble finding my wireless card on my laptop. When I run kwifimanager, it is "Unable to autodetect detect wireless interface." Can someone tell me how I can configure this properly? |
| 17:54.35 | benJIman | sgcplayer: ask in #yourdistro |
| 17:55.20 | sgcplayer | ok |
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| 18:04.53 | sorush20 | hi guys how do I install documentaion pakcages for quanta plus in kubuntu dapper? I can't find anything relevant in the repositories.. |
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| 18:06.24 | grepper | kdewebdev-doc-html I would think |
| 18:06.29 | grepper | sorush20: ^^ |
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| 18:09.30 | xwizard | eenuf! kicker won't fight fight with me! |
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| 18:15.38 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 18:15.57 | xwizard | i'm gonna shoot myslef |
| 18:16.04 | xwizard | myself even |
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| 18:16.23 | Q-collective | does kde have a nice dvd player? I just tried to use kaffeine for watching a vob but it already couldn't handle a silly menu :> |
| 18:17.20 | benJIman | Q-collective: menus work fine in kaffeine |
| 18:18.57 | fosterfeld | Q-collective: you should choose the full DVD then and not single VOBs |
| 18:19.26 | Q-collective | I only have the vob files |
| 18:19.29 | Q-collective | no full dvd's |
| 18:19.31 | xwizard | :> |
| 18:19.55 | Gentle | Q-collective, well do you have the ifo and bup file aswell? |
| 18:20.23 | Q-collective | yup |
| 18:20.27 | Gentle | the menu is NOT inside the vobs, the vobs only hold the needed video and audio streams. The menu is inside the ifo/bup files |
| 18:20.48 | Gentle | in that case, kaffeine could open it for me when I told it to "open directory" |
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| 18:24.45 | sorush20 | grepper: no that is not it.. |
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| 18:26.40 | grepper | sorush20: seems to be on debian anyway, I don't use ubuntu |
| 18:27.51 | grepper | oh yeah, I have an ubuntu chroot somewhere |
| 18:29.27 | grepper | sorush20: http://pastebin.ca/150301 |
| 18:30.37 | Q-collective | Gentle: so, I open the ifo or bup file instead? |
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| 18:31.48 | Gentle | Q-collective, those are text files, really. They just hold the information when to play which video stream and which areas are clickable. You need to open the directory as a DVD image |
| 18:32.29 | Q-collective | oh, right |
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| 18:36.25 | TSK | Greetings. Just got XGL working on Mandriva Cooker Linux with KDE last night. Was wondering about tighter integration with KDE. Will that be coming from the XGL folks, or from the KDE folks, or both? 8) |
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| 18:36.46 | Sutoka | TSK: KDE folks in KDE4 |
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| 18:37.30 | Sutoka | TSK: and the KDE4 stuff will work with both XGL as well as AIGLX (they're mostly compatible) |
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| 18:37.35 | TSK | Right on. That's sweet. So we'll likely have a kde-window-decorator to replace the current gnome-window-decorator? 8) |
| 18:39.12 | TSK | Sutoka: Mandriva 2007 will support both XGL and AIGLX, so it'll be interesting to see where that whole thing goes. Nice to see a distro not taking sides. And KDE is just plain and simple my favorite desktop by FAR. Nice to see that they plan to support both options too. 8) |
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| 18:39.44 | Sutoka | TSK: possibly, but the 'kde solution' would be to use the (planned) composite manager that will be built into KDE 4's Kwin |
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| 18:40.42 | Sutoka | TSK: right now 'compiz' was really just meant to be a tech demo and most likely won't be used once xgl/aiglx goes mainstream |
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| 18:41.29 | TSK | Sutoka: Sweet. That'll be even better. 8) |
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| 18:41.51 | TSK | Ya, compiz is nice, but I can totally tell that it wasn't meant to be the final option. 8) |
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| 18:43.15 | TSK | Sutoka: BTW, are you a KDE developer? |
| 18:43.26 | Sutoka | TSK: nope |
| 18:43.29 | unity | how safe is it to run kde twice simultaneously on the same user? |
| 18:43.32 | Sutoka | TSK: i just read planetkde a lot |
| 18:43.43 | Sutoka | unity: only one way to find out! |
| 18:43.56 | unity | Sutoka: okay! |
| 18:44.26 | unity | Sutoka: i like the way you think |
| 18:44.47 | Sutoka | unity: you'll like it unless your computer blows up |
| 18:45.11 | xwizard | :D |
| 18:45.50 | xwizard | unity: try to run it on the sam screen :> |
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| 18:46.53 | TSK | Sutoka: Ah. I see. I was just looking for one or more KDE developers to thank for the fantastic work they've been doing on KDE. It's just coming along swimmingly. KDE is such a great desktop. Beats any other I've worked with hands-down. 8) |
| 18:48.04 | Sutoka | TSK: thats definitely true |
| 18:48.10 | unity | xwizard: nah, i was planning to do it on two xorgs |
| 18:48.43 | xwizard | TSK: you will find them on #kde-devel :D |
| 18:49.52 | TSK | xwizard: Ah, true. Thanks much. 8) |
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| 18:58.21 | phr33k | Let's give this a shot. I have SuSE 10.1, KDE 3.5. I have been trying to configure my video properly. Can't get the power settings or screen saver to work right. Any suggestions? |
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| 19:19.52 | GFBN | hello |
| 19:20.41 | GFBN | any one here know why i would get a could not find growisfs exe in k3b when i try to burn ? |
| 19:21.37 | Sutoka | GFBN: do you have growisofs? |
| 19:21.47 | GFBN | not installed |
| 19:21.51 | GFBN | why |
| 19:22.14 | Sutoka | GFBN: k3b needs growisofs |
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| 19:25.40 | GFBN | oh ok |
| 19:26.08 | GFBN | i am using gentoo and i cant get it to work |
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| 19:26.25 | GFBN | does growisofs work with quicktime ? |
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| 19:32.57 | GFBN | how do i get growisofs |
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| 19:33.20 | eastwood | apt-get install growisofs |
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| 19:34.13 | ShockValue | audiocd: KIO requires the kdemultimedia package? |
| 19:34.56 | pHr33k | Running SuSE 10.1, KDE 3.5. HAving issues with my video and display on my notebook (HP Omnibook xt 6050). Screen saver doesn;t want to run, and display goes south with power management settings. Anyone got any ideas? |
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| 19:39.54 | xwizard | phr33k: what does it mean: screen goes south? |
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| 19:41.19 | phr33k | xwizard: it does thin vertical lines of colour, rest is black, then starts to fade into white. HAve to restart the system. |
| 19:41.27 | xwizard | ah! |
| 19:41.31 | xwizard | i know that |
| 19:41.46 | xwizard | i saw that under freebsd on my laptop |
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| 19:42.22 | phr33k | So what I have done now is turned off display power management in KPowersave, and Control centre. Now the screen saver won;t work. |
| 19:42.24 | xwizard | under linux and x11r7 it does not freez my lappy |
| 19:42.45 | xwizard | phr33k: which graphics card do you have? |
| 19:42.51 | xwizard | maybe unichrome? |
| 19:42.56 | phr33k | Intel i830 |
| 19:42.59 | xwizard | :) |
| 19:43.50 | xwizard | do you have drivers for it? or maybe you use vesa? |
| 19:44.42 | xwizard | phr33k: ping |
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| 19:45.39 | phr33k | I should have them. X11 says it is running. |
| 19:46.07 | phr33k | Sorry Sax2 |
| 19:46.16 | xwizard | hehe, but with which driver? |
| 19:46.34 | phr33k | I'll try to find that info. |
| 19:46.49 | master_of_master | hi, ho do I get the "taskline" back? I've killed a wrong pid :-( |
| 19:46.57 | xwizard | grep Driver -- /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:47.12 | xwizard | master_of_master: hi. taskline? |
| 19:47.31 | xwizard | you mean panel? |
| 19:47.37 | xwizard | if so: kicker |
| 19:47.38 | master_of_master | xwizard: well I dont know how the bottom line is called |
| 19:47.52 | master_of_master | panel, sounds good |
| 19:48.14 | xwizard | it's the oficial nam, i think ;) |
| 19:48.20 | master_of_master | xwizard: it was kicker :-) |
| 19:48.23 | xwizard | s/nam/name/ |
| 19:48.29 | xwizard | o_O |
| 19:48.34 | xwizard | apt: get out! |
| 19:48.44 | xwizard | stupid bot |
| 19:48.53 | master_of_master | thx |
| 19:48.54 | xwizard | master_of_master: great :) |
| 19:49.01 | xwizard | master_of_master: your welcome |
| 19:49.07 | phr33k | xwizard: trying but it just appears to do nothing. How would I install a different driver for the vid card? |
| 19:49.21 | xwizard | it should be installed |
| 19:49.41 | xwizard | but as far as i know X has problems with intel graphics |
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| 19:50.11 | phr33k | Ok, then my next question is how do I get the screen saver to kick in without any power options to screw with the display? |
| 19:50.47 | xwizard | phr33k: i did xset dpms force off |
| 19:50.55 | xwizard | i added it to my .xinitrc file |
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| 19:51.01 | Ardonik | phr33k: to turn on or off the monitor aut-power feature, man xset |
| 19:51.01 | Chanika | hi. |
| 19:51.08 | Ardonik | *auto-power |
| 19:51.12 | xwizard | hi Chanika |
| 19:51.15 | xwizard | i'm the happy bot, how can i help you? |
| 19:51.38 | phr33k | man xset? |
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| 19:51.55 | xwizard | phr33k: i told you whole command. look above |
| 19:51.57 | phr33k | I'm so green with Linux, it's not funny. Pretty much everything that I know has been learned in a month? |
| 19:52.26 | xwizard | month uder linux and you don't know man ?! |
| 19:52.27 | xwizard | :o |
| 19:52.33 | xwizard | and you are still alive ?! |
| 19:53.54 | kendrick | heh |
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| 19:54.02 | kendrick | my dad's been using linux & kde for a coupla years now |
| 19:54.05 | kendrick | he never needed 'man' |
| 19:54.36 | xwizard | using linux and using linux are two different things |
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| 19:54.59 | kendrick | yep. linux is pretty usable in both ways, in my opinion. :) |
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| 19:55.31 | kendrick | kde makes it easy to use for end users. the underlying linux stuff makes it easy to use for people who want full control of their system. |
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| 19:55.48 | xwizard | kendrick: i agree |
| 19:55.49 | kendrick | kde does that, too (more than windows, gnome or mac os x, from what i can tell) |
| 19:56.02 | xwizard | it is teh best |
| 19:56.05 | kendrick | ok, choir, my next surmon will be in 1/2hr ;) |
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| 19:57.46 | _phr33k | xwizard: tried that, and as soon as I hit enter the display went south. |
| 19:58.00 | xwizard | damn.. |
| 19:58.09 | xwizard | wait a second.. |
| 19:58.12 | xwizard | baaaaaaahhhhhh! |
| 19:58.19 | xwizard | _phr33k: o'm so sorry |
| 19:58.22 | xwizard | i'm |
| 19:58.31 | xwizard | i gave you wrong command :| |
| 19:58.32 | _phr33k | Oh trust me, this has convinced me to make sure I don;t have anythin Intel in the next notebook |
| 19:58.43 | _phr33k | No worries. |
| 19:58.43 | xwizard | shiet |
| 19:58.57 | xwizard | it should be: xset -dpms |
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| 19:59.08 | benJIman | intel is the only chance of getting decent 3d on a Free software system |
| 19:59.21 | Sutoka | xwizard: lol the original command you gave him was to turn off his monitor |
| 19:59.29 | kendrick | *snicker* |
| 19:59.34 | xwizard | Sutoka: i know |
| 19:59.36 | _phr33k | Well, i don;t care about 3D at this point, just a proper working display system. |
| 19:59.51 | xwizard | Sutoka: it was my mistake :( |
| 20:00.08 | _phr33k | xwizard:ok so far so good.... |
| 20:00.08 | Sutoka | benJIman: decent 3d _OSS_ (its debatable whether non-oss can be decent) |
| 20:00.13 | benJIman | _phr33k: what distro are you using? perhaps you should ask in the distro channel |
| 20:00.25 | _phr33k | SuSE 10.1, KDE 3.5 |
| 20:00.31 | benJIman | Sutoka: I said on a Free software system, ie not with proprietary drivers |
| 20:00.50 | benJIman | _phr33k: you can run sax2 to reconfigure display, but would be more ontopic in #suse |
| 20:00.55 | Sutoka | benJIman: yeah that was vague how much of the system you counted ;) |
| 20:01.24 | _phr33k | benJlman: I can select a different driver for it to use? |
| 20:01.45 | Chanika | wireless is really fscking annoying sometimes |
| 20:01.47 | xwizard | somebody answerred my post on gentoo forums! |
| 20:01.50 | xwizard | \o/ |
| 20:01.53 | Sutoka | Chanika: definitely |
| 20:01.59 | xwizard | and gave me hope! |
| 20:02.02 | Chanika | let's see if I can actually ask my quesion now without being cut off... |
| 20:02.23 | Sutoka | Chanika: so hows those sports teams? ;) |
| 20:02.37 | Chanika | why is it impossible to get a sticker with a kde logo? |
| 20:02.50 | xwizard | Chanika: they are on kde-look.org |
| 20:02.52 | xwizard | :) |
| 20:02.52 | Sutoka | Chanika: its not _impossible_ |
| 20:02.52 | Chanika | I need something to stick over my ubuntu sticker, 'cause I couldn't get a kubuntu sticker |
| 20:03.00 | kendrick | hehehe |
| 20:03.06 | Chanika | Sutoka: it feel like it |
| 20:03.11 | sorush20 | hi guys i have downloaded a pdf book and the letters in the text are really close to eachother in kpdf.. |
| 20:03.20 | Sutoka | Chanika: http://www.cafepress.com/unsane.8665574 (first result from google) |
| 20:03.30 | sorush20 | is there anyway that I could choose another font of change the settings so that the letters are more spaced out? |
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| 20:04.19 | linux4u | so concerning the hint about desktop access applet ... |
| 20:04.20 | Chanika | the kde main site lists four merchendise items, the closest is a pin. the merchant's site, which is in german, lists a bunch more stuff includign a sticker of the konqi dragon, but apparently shipping starts at around 12 euros, which seems a bit much for one sticker |
| 20:04.27 | linux4u | I think there is a solution now |
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| 20:04.48 | Chanika | Sutoka: that is not a kde logo, it's just the word KDE. |
| 20:04.53 | linux4u | the kicker::showdesktop(); applet works as is |
| 20:04.54 | Chanika | I want a better sticker darnit! |
| 20:05.03 | Chanika | ?I want a nice pretty logo I can stick on my laptop |
| 20:05.11 | linux4u | but there is no inteded behavior a sto to "toggle" |
| 20:05.15 | linux4u | it just "shows" |
| 20:05.15 | xwizard | Chanika: try kde-look |
| 20:05.23 | linux4u | so here is the solution |
| 20:06.01 | _phr33k | xwizard: I got the power management to turn off, which is a setting I have tried before. I have turned the time down to 1 minute for the screen saver, and I still get nothing. |
| 20:06.02 | Chanika | xwizard: they sell stuff? |
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| 20:06.21 | xwizard | Chanika: you can download a clipart and print it |
| 20:06.28 | xwizard | kde-look.org |
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| 20:06.41 | Chanika | xwizard: I don't have a printer, and a piece of paper is not a sticker |
| 20:06.42 | linux4u | create an applet/a shortcut that can do this : if desktop_applet clicked show desktop0 if clicked again in desktop1 |
| 20:06.57 | Chanika | it would look lame, not cool and shiny lke kde's supposed to be |
| 20:07.06 | xwizard | :| |
| 20:07.09 | Chanika | and would get destroyed in a week |
| 20:07.19 | xwizard | i just wanted to help :| |
| 20:07.59 | Chanika | yes, I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the wireless that kept screwing up |
| 20:08.00 | xwizard | linux4u: what do you want to acheive? |
| 20:08.10 | linux4u | access the desktop |
| 20:08.18 | Chanika | and frustrated at not being able to get the sticker I want |
| 20:08.22 | linux4u | and reduce all windows |
| 20:08.27 | Chanika | it just seems wird that no such sticker exists. |
| 20:08.50 | Chanika | the ubuntu sticker is pretty and all, but I don't want to give people the impression I use gnome! :P |
| 20:09.00 | linux4u | when I open a new one the other reduced wont show |
| 20:09.10 | linux4u | but dont bother |
| 20:09.10 | Chanika | hmmmm. |
| 20:09.14 | linux4u | I have found the solution |
| 20:09.19 | kendrick | Chanika: seriously ;) |
| 20:09.20 | Chanika | there must be some way of getting custom stickers made |
| 20:09.26 | linux4u | I will publish the applet on kde look |
| 20:09.29 | kendrick | make 'em yourself on cafepress? ;) |
| 20:09.30 | xwizard | linux4u: hehe :) good that i don't have any icons on my desktop :) |
| 20:09.48 | linux4u | hm :)= |
| 20:09.52 | Chanika | kendrick: any idea what the price range would be? |
| 20:09.52 | xwizard | i don't need to access it |
| 20:09.56 | linux4u | now look here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Illusion |
| 20:10.11 | Chanika | anyways, I have to go liten to 3 lectures at once now. I'll be back :) |
| 20:10.21 | linux4u | and go to #Screen capture of Art of Illusion's unique graphical procedural texture editor |
| 20:10.39 | linux4u | do you know the kde theme therein |
| 20:10.57 | Chanika | if other people are intersted in good pretty stickers I might put more effort in |
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| 20:11.13 | kendrick | that? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/FSTextures8.jpg |
| 20:11.29 | Chanika | I want lots of pretty stickers for my laptop and I can't find hardly anything. |
| 20:11.33 | linux4u | the next |
| 20:11.38 | linux4u | Screen capture of Art of Illusion's unique graphical procedural texture editor |
| 20:11.49 | xwizard | brb, reboot :) |
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| 20:13.04 | kendrick | http://www.planetside.co.uk/gallery/v/tg09gallery/CraterLake_aerial.jpg.html <-- pretty |
| 20:13.17 | linux4u | so |
| 20:13.21 | linux4u | what is this theme |
| 20:13.23 | linux4u | ? |
| 20:14.02 | chavo | linux4u, that's a windows theme |
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| 20:14.39 | linux4u | the name |
| 20:14.47 | chavo | luna element 5 |
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| 20:15.03 | linux4u | I dont find it in kde look :( |
| 20:15.14 | chavo | its a windows theme ^^^ |
| 20:15.30 | linux4u | oook |
| 20:15.36 | linux4u | it is not available in linux |
| 20:15.38 | linux4u | ? |
| 20:16.02 | chavo | I don't think so |
| 20:16.08 | linux4u | I am not sure |
| 20:16.19 | linux4u | the fonts in the image look like Linux fonts |
| 20:16.32 | linux4u | not ttf::verdana or ttf::arial |
| 20:16.44 | linux4u | it must be in kde |
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| 20:18.37 | chavo | well the fonts on the menu and buttons look like MS sans serif |
| 20:18.39 | linux4u | ok no matter it seems ur right |
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| 20:18.46 | chavo | but it's a java app |
| 20:19.00 | linux4u | so do you know where tot have rpm of royale_makeover |
| 20:19.28 | linux4u | www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=43550 |
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| 20:21.44 | linux4u | is reactos kernel diffrnt from lx krnl ? |
| 20:22.01 | Ash-Fox | If you mean 'Linux kernel', yes. |
| 20:22.21 | shining | h gd nt hm |
| 20:22.25 | linux4u | so reactos is a new kernel ? |
| 20:22.34 | Ash-Fox | No, Reactos is a old kernel. |
| 20:22.36 | linux4u | a NT-class kernel ? |
| 20:22.44 | Sutoka | linux4u: reactos is a completely from scratch NT clone (its several years old now though) |
| 20:23.02 | linux4u | the developers must be NT gurus |
| 20:23.03 | Ash-Fox | It's based on the same philosophy as Windows NT systems. How is this related to KDE? |
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| 20:23.18 | Ash-Fox | Wine and ReactOS share a lot of code. |
| 20:23.23 | Sutoka | linux4u: they work closely with the WINE project, and thats kinda OT |
| 20:23.31 | linux4u | but how can they implement the irq/driver/directx/hal function if they dont get access to the code |
| 20:23.36 | linux4u | ? |
| 20:23.38 | mcrandello | I'll tie it in. I wonder if KDE4 will run on it |
| 20:23.44 | Sutoka | linux4u: reverse engineering |
| 20:23.54 | linux4u | lol |
| 20:24.01 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, reverse engineering, douplicating APIs etc. |
| 20:24.08 | Pinaraf | Ash-Fox: the wine folks now refuse any code coming from reactos as far as I remember |
| 20:24.09 | linux4u | how to reverse engineer an IUnknown interface |
| 20:24.12 | Pinaraf | because it's dangerous |
| 20:24.16 | linux4u | (for drivers mainly) |
| 20:24.24 | Pinaraf | linux4u: disassembler for instance |
| 20:24.40 | linux4u | what makes me laugh with them |
| 20:24.40 | Ash-Fox | Pinaraf, I believe it was because it didn't meet Wine's standards? |
| 20:24.51 | linux4u | is that they didnot even ask permission to ms |
| 20:24.53 | mcrandello | probably scared of it being tainted |
| 20:25.02 | Pinaraf | Ash-Fox: standard in wine is : no such reverse engineering |
| 20:25.07 | Ash-Fox | Pinaraf, they did share some code related to directx though? |
| 20:25.08 | mcrandello | I remember they were crapping themselves when the 2k code got leaked |
| 20:25.22 | Pinaraf | the reactos folks can use wine code, yes |
| 20:25.31 | Sutoka | Pinaraf Ash-Fox: there were rumors that some developer may have used 'dirty methods' to get information about the code (i.e. the person that disassembled also wrote the code) |
| 20:25.32 | linux4u | they are working hard on it,but the dcay microsoft will say it is illegal they will stop instantly :) |
| 20:25.50 | linux4u | day |
| 20:26.08 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, illegal how? |
| 20:26.15 | mcrandello | Sutoka, that would mean they have ex-MS guys working with them? |
| 20:26.17 | rabauke | so will mono, but it is still made part of gnome and distros |
| 20:26.18 | linux4u | no I am just supposing ;) |
| 20:26.20 | mcrandello | that _is_ dangerous |
| 20:26.25 | linux4u | I am not lawyer :) |
| 20:26.40 | Sutoka | mcrandello: no i meant that the person that disassembled the code THEN wrote code based on that for reactos |
| 20:26.53 | mcrandello | Ah |
| 20:26.58 | Sutoka | mcrandello: since then they've been going through the code checking everything to make sure its all 'clean' |
| 20:27.05 | benJIman | mono is based on open standards, the worst microsoft can do is try and charge a "reasonable and non-discrimantory fee" which in the case of free software is nonexistant |
| 20:27.11 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, seeing how Samba and Wine have been operating for years without much legal harassment, I doubt it. |
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| 20:27.38 | linux4u | let us hope that a pentium EE wont burst in the 2010 linux enthsiast's face :) |
| 20:27.56 | Sutoka | linux4u: because EEs run so f-in hot? |
| 20:28.04 | rabauke | benJIman: So why did the fedora core project hesitate to include it? Certainly not because it is that obvious that nothing can happen. |
| 20:28.26 | linux4u | cause its is emulating kernel level :) |
| 20:28.40 | Ash-Fox | Last time I used Fedora, pppd didn't even work, unless you used a vanilla kernel. |
| 20:28.57 | linux4u | context switching will take 10puchs-in-a-row in the crash-count :) |
| 20:29.21 | benJIman | rabauke: because they have invested lots in java |
| 20:29.35 | linux4u | pat gelsigner wontlove this way to play with his baby :) |
| 20:29.43 | benJIman | rabauke: and mono is certainly freer than java, although hopefully that will change soon :) |
| 20:29.49 | _phr33k | xwizard: Left to for about 10 minutes, and still get no screen saver. Any other ideas? |
| 20:29.59 | rabauke | I read there were legal issues, so what |
| 20:30.00 | Pinaraf | [22:27:16] <benJIman> mono is based on open standards |
| 20:30.03 | Pinaraf | not really true |
| 20:30.04 | Ash-Fox | benJIman, what is wrong with Mono? |
| 20:30.10 | Sutoka | i say put both mono and java in a pit and let them fight it out, when one kills the other, shoot the survivor |
| 20:30.18 | Pinaraf | the language is a standard |
| 20:30.27 | rabauke | having .exe in your process list is scary |
| 20:30.34 | linux4u | lol |
| 20:30.37 | Pinaraf | rabauke: +1 |
| 20:30.58 | benJIman | Ash-Fox: nothing is wrong with mono |
| 20:31.05 | benJIman | rabauke: you don't have to call it .exe :p |
| 20:31.15 | benJIman | rabauke: and a process name bears no relationt to what it is |
| 20:31.25 | rabauke | on suse 10.1 there is zmd.exe and it works as exe sounds |
| 20:31.30 | Pinaraf | benJIman: what's wrong is that it's not the kind of free software project we should see |
| 20:31.36 | Pinaraf | no innovation |
| 20:31.41 | Pinaraf | that's really sad |
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| 20:31.46 | Sutoka | rabauke: zmd.EXE ? |
| 20:31.53 | rabauke | yes |
| 20:32.28 | Sutoka | rabauke: i have suse 10.1 and i've never seen the dot-exe part of the name... |
| 20:32.28 | chavo | not every project can or needs to be innovative |
| 20:32.28 | mcrandello | if it scratches an itch... |
| 20:32.30 | rabauke | root 3284 0.7 5.4 103508 28196 ? RNsl 21:39 0:22 zmd /usr/lib/zmd/zmd.exe |
| 20:32.43 | rabauke | you should take a closer look |
| 20:32.44 | Sutoka | Ash-Fox: ouch... why are you running task manager? |
| 20:32.46 | Pinaraf | chavo: mono is copying microsoft, that's not the kind of things I like |
| 20:32.48 | rabauke | ps aux | grep zmd |
| 20:32.51 | benJIman | Pinaraf: on the contrary we /need/ a platform like mono/java and making another one that is incompatable with existing /open standards/ is insane |
| 20:32.52 | Sutoka | rabauke: just a second and i will... |
| 20:32.57 | _phr33k | xwizard: Thanks for your help to this point. I'll just keep trying to screw around with it and see what I can get on this end. |
| 20:33.03 | mcrandello | Pinaraf, you know who else gets accused of copying MS... |
| 20:33.17 | Pinaraf | accusations are not facts |
| 20:33.35 | chavo | who cares if your copying or emulating as long as your getting the job done. It's all been done |
| 20:33.37 | benJIman | Pinaraf: you're saying they should have just ignored the standards and created a new incompatable platform noone would use rather than being able to leverage all the .net stuff written for windows as well as develop Free software for linux and other platforms far faster? |
| 20:33.49 | Pinaraf | benJIman: no, I'm not |
| 20:34.00 | Sutoka | Ash-Fox: is zmd a mono app? |
| 20:34.08 | Pinaraf | Sutoka: yes, it is |
| 20:34.10 | benJIman | Sutoka: the executables don't have to be called .exe, some are out of convention |
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| 20:34.11 | Ash-Fox | Sutoka, because it's the best way to see other proccesses under Wine clearly. Especially useful when you have installers that leave proccesses running in the background. |
| 20:34.52 | Sutoka | ugh... that partly explains why zmd is so slow and buggy... |
| 20:35.13 | Ash-Fox | Sutoka, no, not really. |
| 20:35.26 | benJIman | Pinaraf: then you're not making much sense, platforms like .net and java are the future, without them we will fall behind |
| 20:35.30 | rabauke | nomen est omen |
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| 20:35.48 | rabauke | extension es omen ;) |
| 20:35.50 | Pinaraf | benJIman: I don't think so. |
| 20:35.57 | chavo | they were designed from the ground up to be cross platform |
| 20:36.10 | linux4u | I am wondering ... |
| 20:36.16 | Pinaraf | a platform for several languages with common classes for several languages is quite .... strange for me |
| 20:36.20 | benJIman | Pinaraf: security, maintainablity, ease of development |
| 20:36.33 | linux4u | is it possible to compile a hello wolrd in vc++ in xp ... |
| 20:36.35 | GFBN | anyone know a better progam to load up than k3b ? |
| 20:36.35 | Ash-Fox | Pinaraf, the fact that I have made applications that run on mono and .net, which works on pocketpc, windows, linux, macosx.. seemlessly says something |
| 20:36.35 | linux4u | and |
| 20:36.36 | Sutoka | linux4u: say more in a single message, this isn't ICQ |
| 20:36.46 | Pinaraf | a language has its own features, "points of view", I don't think it can be compatible with a common classpath |
| 20:36.47 | linux4u | is it possible to compile a hello wolrd in vc++ in xp |
| 20:36.51 | linux4u | and wine it |
| 20:36.51 | Pinaraf | Ash-Fox: I'm not against bytecode |
| 20:36.57 | benJIman | Pinaraf: well .net shows you it can |
| 20:37.05 | Sutoka | linux4u: yes |
| 20:37.05 | benJIman | and java for that matter |
| 20:37.16 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, yes. |
| 20:37.18 | tech9iner | GFBN eh.. k3b IS the standard app.. better than any I have used over 5 years on linux 4s ;] |
| 20:37.26 | linux4u | and use this wined app to access a cp myfile /usr/file/ ? |
| 20:37.27 | GFBN | :( |
| 20:37.31 | Pinaraf | benJIman: Python without its classes but with .net classes is no longer Python |
| 20:37.38 | GFBN | i keep having issues on this box with it |
| 20:37.52 | GFBN | it dont like the quicktime stuff |
| 20:37.57 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, if you look at te screenshot I posted earlier, you can see mIRC running under wine (most people don't understand why I run mIRC under Linux OS) |
| 20:38.03 | linux4u | I one word can I control linux shell from a windows app ? |
| 20:38.12 | linux4u | a wined windows app |
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| 20:38.35 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, sorry, come again? |
| 20:38.37 | rabauke | GFBN: k3b is for burning vds |
| 20:38.41 | rabauke | cds |
| 20:38.47 | linux4u | I one word can I control linux shell from a windows app ? |
| 20:38.50 | benJIman | Pinaraf: well there's python language and python platform |
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| 20:38.58 | benJIman | Pinaraf: you can use the python language on the .net and java platforms too |
| 20:39.02 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, yes. |
| 20:39.03 | Sutoka | linux4u: not in any clean/sane way |
| 20:39.04 | linux4u | control the linux shell from a winedows app in the code ? |
| 20:39.06 | Pinaraf | benJIman: I know |
| 20:39.08 | benJIman | as you can use the java language on the .net platform |
| 20:39.13 | GFBN | i am trying to do it for data backups for windows noobs |
| 20:39.15 | linux4u | fro example |
| 20:39.18 | linux4u | for |
| 20:39.19 | benJIman | and .net libraries from the java platform |
| 20:39.22 | linux4u | I do this : |
| 20:39.27 | Pinaraf | but that way you're going to run into troubles |
| 20:39.40 | linux4u | (in windows) |
| 20:39.58 | Pinaraf | your python program won't be compatible with the python platform unless you keep it clean from any .net related stuff, so it's quite pointless |
| 20:40.01 | linux4u | system("cp file /usr/myfile/"); |
| 20:40.06 | linux4u | and I wine it to linux |
| 20:40.11 | GFBN | windows is no good |
| 20:40.11 | linux4u | can it still work ? |
| 20:40.16 | Sutoka | linux4u: the windows code won't look like that |
| 20:40.32 | linux4u | but there is system(char*) function in all system :) |
| 20:40.36 | linux4u | so it can work |
| 20:40.37 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, you will need todo /usr/bin/cp file /usr/myfile/, because /usr/bin won't be in wine's 'emulated' %PATH% variable by default. |
| 20:40.56 | _Atomo64_ | hey... I'm trying to connect to a ftp server with a secure connection. (using konqueror) the protocol of the url is ftp:// but when I connect it ask me for my pwd and then it fails saying that a encrypted communication is required, how to? |
| 20:41.19 | Sutoka | _Atomo64_: try sftp |
| 20:41.49 | _Atomo64_ | Sutoka: but sftp ain't ftp over ssh? (only?) |
| 20:41.53 | linux4u | is there a_thing cd for kdevelp |
| 20:41.55 | linux4u | ? |
| 20:41.59 | linux4u | wit hall packs |
| 20:42.21 | Sutoka | linux4u: "a_thing cd"? "wit hall packs"? |
| 20:42.27 | Ash-Fox | wall hacks! |
| 20:42.36 | Sutoka | _Atomo64_: yes |
| 20:42.38 | linux4u | with all packs |
| 20:42.42 | Sutoka | Ash-Fox: odd... i read it that was as well |
| 20:42.56 | Sutoka | linux4u: you mean a live cd with a full kdevelop environment? |
| 20:43.03 | _Atomo64_ | Sutoka: well, doesn't works... what the server is asking for is ftp+ssl, not ssh+ftp :( |
| 20:43.12 | linux4u | why not |
| 20:43.38 | Sutoka | linux4u: why not what? |
| 20:43.45 | linux4u | I meant a kdvlop cd with all kdevlp packages |
| 20:43.54 | linux4u | just like visual studio |
| 20:44.07 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, just install the kdevelop package on your linux distro. |
| 20:44.12 | linux4u | so we can distribute it to enterprises in a professional package |
| 20:44.13 | chavo | linux4u, depends on your distro |
| 20:44.18 | Sutoka | linux4u: a cd with kdevelop on it to install on your system? just install your distro's packages, or compile for source, or even use klik |
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| 20:44.34 | benJIman | Pinaraf: you develop for a platform, not for a language |
| 20:44.35 | chavo | some distros come with it all on the CD's some don't |
| 20:44.37 | linux4u | It is a suggestion :|| |
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| 20:44.42 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, give them a kubuntu cd. |
| 20:44.43 | benJIman | Pinaraf: and you pick a language available for the platform |
| 20:44.59 | chavo | kubuntu doesn't come with kdevelop by default though |
| 20:45.07 | chavo | or even a compiler |
| 20:45.08 | Ash-Fox | You can install it though. |
| 20:45.10 | benJIman | for the kde platform c++ is the only real choice atm |
| 20:45.18 | benJIman | chavo: most distros don't install compiler by default |
| 20:45.19 | linux4u | do you know a distro that has kdevelop in its first cd ? |
| 20:45.20 | Pinaraf | python is available for KDE |
| 20:45.20 | benJIman | infact few do |
| 20:45.25 | linux4u | (it sounds impossible ) |
| 20:45.32 | benJIman | Pinaraf: but python isn't suitable for developing large applications |
| 20:45.35 | linux4u | so |
| 20:45.37 | _Atomo64_ | linux4u: in the first cd? none |
| 20:45.38 | Pinaraf | python-kde + python-qt |
| 20:45.41 | linux4u | lol |
| 20:45.46 | linux4u | in the second ? |
| 20:45.47 | Sutoka | linux4u: you could always roll your own custom installer, or live cd |
| 20:45.49 | Pinaraf | I agree on this point, we really need PyPy |
| 20:45.59 | linux4u | custom installer ? |
| 20:46.03 | linux4u | how please how |
| 20:46.12 | linux4u | and what do you mean by custom |
| 20:46.13 | Sutoka | Pinaraf: PyNet (yum... pie nets!) |
| 20:46.17 | benJIman | Pinaraf: pypy? |
| 20:46.22 | Pinaraf | Python in Pyhon |
| 20:46.25 | _Atomo64_ | linux4u: maybe... it is easier to download a DVD |
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| 20:46.34 | linux4u | yes |
| 20:46.36 | _Atomo64_ | linux4u: like debian sarge's DVD release |
| 20:46.40 | Pinaraf | they're writing a Python interpreter + translator/compiler using Python |
| 20:46.44 | Pinaraf | it's quite funny |
| 20:46.48 | linux4u | I want to know more about the"custom installer" he talked about |
| 20:46.55 | chavo | kubuntu has a dvd release also with all of main on it |
| 20:47.02 | linux4u | custom installer for my distro or custom installer that will boot :) |
| 20:47.13 | benJIman | Pinaraf: python isn't realy suitable for developing apps because it's a scripting language, duck typing etc make it unmaintainable and difficult for multiple people to work on a project |
| 20:47.19 | Ash-Fox | You're better off getting the CD version, since a lot of things have been updated though. |
| 20:47.46 | Ash-Fox | Running apt-proxy/apt-cache for a network is a lot nicer to distrobute updates. |
| 20:47.48 | Pinaraf | benJIman: because of bad habits |
| 20:48.04 | benJIman | Pinaraf: it's impossible to write readable code in python |
| 20:48.07 | linux4u | so |
| 20:48.14 | Pinaraf | benJIman: that's to be proven. |
| 20:48.20 | benJIman | but we're getting rather offtopic |
| 20:48.23 | linux4u | custom installer ? |
| 20:48.41 | Pinaraf | python projects are supposed to abuse of test cases |
| 20:48.45 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, you can grab the sourcecode, have fun. |
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| 20:48.50 | linux4u | no wait |
| 20:48.53 | Pinaraf | unit test, sorry |
| 20:49.03 | linux4u | i want to know |
| 20:49.04 | benJIman | Pinaraf: pm me if you want to continue discussion, it's not really on topic |
| 20:49.16 | mcrandello | alright I've got something possibly on topic |
| 20:49.27 | linux4u | can I do a custom installer that will be an instgaller for my OWN distro ? |
| 20:49.27 | Sutoka | linux4u: search on google, or your distro of choice's wiki |
| 20:49.33 | Pinaraf | I can't really continue anyway, I'm not good enough at english :/ |
| 20:49.38 | Sutoka | mcrandello: i don't believe you! |
| 20:49.39 | linux4u | or custom installer FOR and app FOr my distro :( |
| 20:49.45 | mcrandello | anyone know why kdm detects both monitors in my dual head setup fine but I still have to use xrandr once I get into the DE? |
| 20:49.51 | Sutoka | linux4u: either |
| 20:49.54 | linux4u | wow |
| 20:49.59 | linux4u | so I dont need lfs |
| 20:50.00 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, yes you can. |
| 20:50.00 | linux4u | ? |
| 20:50.13 | linux4u | I really dont need LFS ? |
| 20:50.13 | mcrandello | I'm wondering because after a kernel update I can no longer use xrandr, it does nothing |
| 20:50.20 | Sutoka | linux4u: you could compile debian yourself, or whatever you want at all, its ALL open source |
| 20:50.26 | linux4u | yes |
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| 20:50.34 | mcrandello | so I've still got a root window on my laptop that I can't do anything with :( |
| 20:50.39 | linux4u | but when you said custom installer ... |
| 20:50.41 | mcrandello | are there any workarounds? |
| 20:50.42 | Sutoka | mcrandello: thats quite odd, i didn't know xrandr could even add/remove screens |
| 20:51.09 | mcrandello | Sutoka, it lists a resolution of something like 2048x764 that I can switch to and enable both heads |
| 20:51.21 | linux4u | Is it possible to do a bootable own system and use packages from other distros ? |
| 20:51.40 | linux4u | without LFS ? |
| 20:51.40 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, yes. |
| 20:51.42 | Sutoka | linux4u: yes, all the source is available for you |
| 20:51.43 | mcrandello | without it I get a root window on one that the mouse will kind of sort of show up on one edge of but I can't get it to actually go onto that screen, if that manes any sense |
| 20:51.43 | Ash-Fox | linux4u, yes. |
| 20:51.46 | linux4u | wooooooooooooow |
| 20:51.56 | linux4u | TELL-ME-HOW ? :) :) |
| 20:52.04 | Ash-Fox | No. |
| 20:52.06 | Sutoka | linux4u: google |
| 20:52.12 | linux4u | :[ |
| 20:52.20 | linux4u | it will say LFS:( |
| 20:52.27 | mcrandello | problem is if I boot into the new kernel for some reason xrandr won't switch from profile 0 at all, it lists them, but it won't make any changes |
| 20:52.31 | linux4u | and I dont want lfs |
| 20:52.41 | Sutoka | linux4u: google harder then |
| 20:52.56 | Sutoka | mcrandello: what video driver do you use? |
| 20:53.08 | mcrandello | hehe, ready for it? fglrx ;_; |
| 20:53.21 | Sutoka | mcrandello: you're screwed, face it |
| 20:53.26 | linux4u | I justed wanted to do some apps to boot and do disk like drakdisk and then make the pass to an installer that will install the rpm packages from say my mandriva distro ... |
| 20:53.26 | mcrandello | yeah |
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| 20:53.36 | Sutoka | mcrandello: seriously though, there should be a channel on for those drivers |
| 20:53.37 | linux4u | it this one possible ? |
| 20:53.44 | Sutoka | mcrandello: #ati |
| 20:54.06 | mcrandello | here's why I'm asking in #kde though... |
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| 20:54.08 | Sutoka | mcrandello: have you reinstalled/compiled them for the new kernel? |
| 20:54.12 | mcrandello | kdm detects it just fine |
| 20:54.15 | mcrandello | Sutoka, yep |
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| 20:54.36 | Sutoka | linux4u: yes, especially since thats what mandrake does |
| 20:54.38 | mcrandello | using 8.27.10 because with 8.28.8 firefox won't start |
| 20:54.45 | linux4u | okay |
| 20:54.46 | linux4u | so how ? |
| 20:54.50 | mcrandello | you're right though, fglrx bends you over every which way |
| 20:55.03 | linux4u | my goal is to replace the mandrake installer with mine |
| 20:55.08 | linux4u | and take my own packages |
| 20:55.16 | Sutoka | linux4u: look at mandriva's site and see if theres any info on 'kickstart' or similar technology |
| 20:55.20 | linux4u | but not by compiling or using LFS |
| 20:55.24 | rabauke | does someone wlse have problems with KDE not shutting down properly, i.e. kontact not quitting correctly and kmix not saving the state because it is apparently not shutdown properly but killed? |
| 20:55.46 | mcrandello | rabauke, I get that from time to time |
| 20:56.25 | Sutoka | mcrandello: i have an x300 in my laptop... turns out the OSS drivers are faster (which is kinda sad...) |
| 20:56.32 | mcrandello | mostly because with my driver situation I wind up with the old 3 finger salute quite a bit |
| 20:56.47 | rabauke | I get it since 3.5.4 I think |
| 20:56.56 | rabauke | it did not happen with 3.5.3 |
| 20:58.04 | benJIman | linux4u: suse's yast is very suited to what you're wanting todo if you arn't tied to mandrake |
| 20:58.05 | mcrandello | I always say I'd switch to nvidia if it didn't take a soldering iron :( |
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| 20:59.00 | Sutoka | mcrandello: laptop? ouch |
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| 20:59.54 | mcrandello | but it just seems so weird that kdm is working fine and then as soon as I login it all goes pear shaped |
| 21:00.41 | mcrandello | sometimes I'll swing the mouse around while it's processing my password because it's the only time I'll get to use that real estate |
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| 21:02.43 | linux4u | it seems I dont catch it |
| 21:02.52 | linux4u | what does it do exactly |
| 21:03.31 | linux4u | can it do bootable application ? |
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| 21:07.18 | mcrandello | iirc yast does everything from the initial setup to packages to enabling stuff in the init |
| 21:07.36 | mcrandello | it's been a while since I tried Suse though so take that with a large grain |
| 21:09.45 | unity | when i install a kopete chat window style from a tar.gz, it says the chat window style was successfully installed, but then i don't see it in the list |
| 21:09.49 | unity | why is this? |
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| 21:10.56 | rabauke | unity: which kopete version? |
| 21:11.11 | unity | rabauke: 0.12.1 |
| 21:11.12 | mcrandello | I guess the question would be, is it KDE that's determining there's no second window or is it taking it's cues from xorg? |
| 21:11.39 | Pinaraf | unity: is is a kopete 0.12 style ? |
| 21:11.52 | rabauke | unity: if it was a bug, you could try 0.12.2 |
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| 21:12.08 | rabauke | for me it seems to work, which style? |
| 21:12.11 | unity | Pinaraf: Kopete Style 0.12+ |
| 21:12.18 | unity | rabauke: Fresh 1.3 |
| 21:12.41 | rabauke | do you install it via khotstuff or d/l it via the website? |
| 21:13.42 | unity | d/led the tarball from kde-looks.org and clicked the Install... button under the Chat Window tax |
| 21:13.46 | unity | s/tax/tab/ |
| 21:13.55 | unity | thank you apt |
| 21:14.03 | unity | ~botsnack |
| 21:14.03 | apt | aw, gee, unity |
| 21:14.42 | rabauke | unity: is it still missing after restarting kopete? |
| 21:14.59 | unity | i have not tried restarting yet |
| 21:15.06 | unity | it seemed very windows-ish |
| 21:15.12 | rabauke | I just installed fresh via the "new" button and it was listed and works. |
| 21:15.38 | rabauke | Just try, and if it is listed then, file a bug to make kopete linuxish ;) |
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| 21:15.55 | unity | ah there we are |
| 21:15.59 | unity | it required a restart |
| 21:16.03 | unity | that threw me off guard |
| 21:16.42 | xwizard | rabauke: i would say unixish :) |
| 21:16.55 | rabauke | hehe |
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| 21:17.29 | rabauke | unity: will you file a bug? |
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| 21:18.16 | unity | no, it's not really that buggy |
| 21:18.19 | rabauke | although I would have to try in 0.12.2 first, maybe it is fixed already |
| 21:18.25 | unity | it's hardly a problem |
| 21:18.26 | rabauke | it is a bug |
| 21:18.49 | unity | can someone that has 0.12.2 check it out, then? |
| 21:19.07 | unity | 0.12.2 has not made it to my distro yet |
| 21:20.35 | rabauke | I'll do |
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| 21:21.57 | rabauke | unity: I tried the blog-theme and it is shown instantly. Can you try that one as well? http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=40691&id=1 |
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| 21:23.05 | unity | rabauke: yes, blog showed up without a restart |
| 21:23.40 | rabauke | oh, ok. so lets try another one a tar.gz |
| 21:23.46 | rabauke | wait a sec |
| 21:23.46 | unity | rabauke: but when i try to delete it, i simply get a message box that says "An error occured while trying to delete Blog style" |
| 21:24.24 | rabauke | unity: me too |
| 21:24.29 | linux4u | do linspire users have access to online multimedia ? (google it , mtv radio or msn music ?) |
| 21:24.31 | rabauke | another bug |
| 21:24.32 | unity | wow! i never knew about khotnewstuff! |
| 21:24.37 | rabauke | I'll file that one |
| 21:24.39 | unity | i was using a web browser... |
| 21:24.48 | unity | to find themes all this time |
| 21:25.02 | rabauke | it's not perfect but usable |
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| 21:25.57 | linux4u | do linspire users have access to online multimedia ? (google it , mtv radio or msn music ?) |
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| 21:32.41 | Sutoka | linux4u: why are you telling US to google it when you're the one asking the question? |
| 21:33.59 | linux4u | lol |
| 21:34.13 | linux4u | dont bother :|| |
| 21:34.29 | linux4u | ardnk |
| 21:34.36 | linux4u | Ard :) |
| 21:34.56 | linux4u | you know we will make cash with it,I want to offer you a contract |
| 21:35.04 | linux4u | you impressed me last time |
| 21:35.18 | Sutoka | "mtv radio"... guess they forgot what the 'm' stood for... |
| 21:36.01 | mcrandello | or the TV for that matter |
| 21:36.15 | Ardonik | linux4u: No. |
| 21:36.15 | mcrandello | I mean, radio? |
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| 21:36.25 | Ardonik | You may keep your Internet-Cash (on the Internet) |
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| 21:37.26 | linux4u | ? |
| 21:37.33 | linux4u | Ard please |
| 21:37.39 | Sutoka | mcrandello: lmfao yeah i messed that one up (but they did long ago forget what the 'm' stood for) |
| 21:38.00 | linux4u | you master some concept that even dont know about |
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| 21:38.10 | linux4u | please |
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| 21:38.14 | linux4u | I will pay you |
| 21:38.32 | Ardonik | Stay back! |
| 21:38.38 | Sutoka | linux4u: send me the one and then we'll talk |
| 21:39.03 | linux4u | okay |
| 21:39.04 | mcrandello | okay xrandr worked that time. so weird |
| 21:39.09 | Sutoka | (yeah im REALLY smooth today... WHY DO I STILL SMELL LIKE CANDY?!?!!) |
| 21:39.10 | linux4u | Ard it is okay now |
| 21:39.24 | linux4u | I wont bother you witrh it :[[[ |
| 21:39.45 | mcrandello | still I'd like to know why this works great at the login screen and then one screen blows up upon login |
| 21:39.57 | linux4u | but in some years when I get rich with it ,dont come back and ask for job ,I will have forgotten you for years |
| 21:40.00 | linux4u | BYE |
| 21:40.02 | linux4u | :( |
| 21:40.31 | Ardonik | linux4u: enjoy. |
| 21:40.40 | linux4u | dont talk to me :( |
| 21:41.08 | Sutoka | hes leaving? /me celebrates! |
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| 21:42.57 | xwizard | Renze: hi old man :D |
| 21:43.19 | Renze | eh? what's that, sonny? |
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| 21:43.33 | Sutoka | xwizard: Renze forgot his hearing aid again! |
| 21:43.34 | UnionPivo | hi |
| 21:43.40 | xwizard | :D |
| 21:43.43 | xwizard | hi UnionPivo |
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| 21:43.55 | Sutoka | xwizard: well at least he held the ear trumpet up to the right place |
| 21:44.16 | xwizard | he rocks |
| 21:44.21 | UnionPivo | :) |
| 21:44.33 | Sutoka | does he roll? |
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| 21:45.00 | xwizard | UnionPivo: does Pivo means what i want it to mean ? |
| 21:45.05 | UnionPivo | yes |
| 21:45.09 | xwizard | ^^ |
| 21:45.17 | UnionPivo | if you are thinking beer of course :) |
| 21:45.28 | xwizard | of course :D |
| 21:45.39 | UnionPivo | for my own defence i picked that nick up when i was 14 |
| 21:45.42 | linux4u | xwz how do you do dude :) ? |
| 21:46.05 | xwizard | lnx great :) |
| 21:46.12 | UnionPivo | It seemd cool back then |
| 21:46.34 | Blissex | UnionPivo: just like all those tattoos and piercings I guess :-) |
| 21:46.50 | UnionPivo | nah, I don't do that. |
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| 21:47.03 | Blissex | :-) |
| 21:47.06 | xwizard | ahh.. i'll prepared weapons for tommorow fight with unichrome pro gfx :) |
| 21:47.18 | linux4u | lol |
| 21:47.20 | Ash-Fox | Any way I can use gstreamer in Kaffiene? |
| 21:47.26 | Blissex | xwizard: I suggest a thermal lance :-) |
| 21:47.28 | UnionPivo | Well I was probably the yungest one on irc channel (that was 1994 or something) |
| 21:47.29 | linux4u | it is not a radeon at least :) |
| 21:47.40 | UnionPivo | so I tried to fitr in :) |
| 21:47.42 | xwizard | Blissex: x.org-6.9 sources |
| 21:48.41 | Sutoka | Ash-Fox: if kaffeine was compiled with the backend, just switch it to gstreamer |
| 21:48.59 | Blissex | xwizard: ask for an opinion in #Xorg; IIRC there are unofficial patches etc. and of course the weird S3 drivers too. |
| 21:49.13 | xwizard | s3 drivees does not work |
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| 21:49.28 | linux4u | via arena |
| 21:49.34 | xwizard | via drivers suited with 6.8 6.9 and 7.0 does not work |
| 21:49.34 | linux4u | google it |
| 21:49.46 | xwizard | via arena suggests openchrome |
| 21:49.47 | linux4u | they have drivers for all distribs |
| 21:50.02 | Blissex | xwizard: ahhh I see you have done some research :-) |
| 21:50.13 | xwizard | openchrome does not work with 7.0 |
| 21:50.15 | xwizard | :( |
| 21:50.18 | linux4u | :) |
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| 21:50.30 | xwizard | Blissex: 4 days of investigations |
| 21:50.32 | xwizard | ;) |
| 21:50.33 | mcrandello | google.it il sistema piu completo per la ricercia di immagini su web |
| 21:50.39 | UnionPivo | I found cool new vido player codeine |
| 21:50.42 | linux4u | this is why we tell people TO ALWAYS USE NVIDIA GFXs :) |
| 21:51.00 | xwizard | linux4u: it is in my laptop |
| 21:51.08 | mcrandello | I would but I can't hold a soldering iron still for that long |
| 21:51.09 | Blissex | sometimes Intel chipsets work OK with 3D accel, but of course they are lame. |
| 21:51.09 | linux4u | ahh |
| 21:51.15 | xwizard | linux4u: getting rid of it will be difficult :) |
| 21:51.24 | linux4u | I thought laptop were overtaken by ATI Xpressucks |
| 21:51.24 | xwizard | (if i said this correctly) |
| 21:51.45 | Ash-Fox | Sutoka, hmm, thanks. |
| 21:51.57 | xwizard | ok, i'm going to beat my brother in europa universalis |
| 21:52.05 | xwizard | bye, all :D |
| 21:52.07 | UnionPivo | linux4u, forunatly that will probaly change due to amd merger |
| 21:52.18 | UnionPivo | not many amd laptops |
| 21:52.23 | xwizard | i have one |
| 21:52.24 | linux4u | maybe |
| 21:52.27 | xwizard | amd64 even |
| 21:52.31 | linux4u | yes |
| 21:52.34 | linux4u | all centrino |
| 21:52.36 | xwizard | good night :) |
| 21:52.38 | Sutoka | UnionPivo: which will mean getting a GOOD amd laptop is going to be even harder |
| 21:52.48 | aido | somebody speak spanish |
| 21:52.50 | linux4u | take care :) |
| 21:52.59 | UnionPivo | Sutoka, yes that's there too |
| 21:53.39 | aido | alguien habla español |
| 21:53.44 | Sutoka | UnionPivo: the x300 in my relatively new laptop is slower than my several year old 7500 |
| 21:53.58 | linux4u | noo |
| 21:54.03 | Renze | aido: #kde-es |
| 21:54.04 | linux4u | lies |
| 21:54.19 | aido | como puedo cambiar de canal |
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| 21:54.38 | Renze | aido: I don't understand spanish |
| 21:54.39 | aido | #kde-es |
| 21:54.39 | Blissex | aido: like: /join #CANAL |
| 21:54.41 | Sutoka | linux4u: what are you babbling about? |
| 21:54.43 | UnionPivo | well truth be told i am running nvidia 5200 with opensource nv drivers |
| 21:54.53 | UnionPivo | and it does most of what i want |
| 21:54.54 | aido | gracias |
| 21:54.58 | linux4u | a mistype |
| 21:55.06 | linux4u | :) |
| 21:55.07 | UnionPivo | so i realy don't need much :) |
| 21:55.23 | linux4u | from someone not telling truth |
| 21:55.31 | Blissex | there are currently some nice Turion X2 laptops with GF2go chips that are somewhat reasonable. |
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| 21:56.11 | Sutoka | UnionPivo: my laptop originally had a 5200 in it... but dell had to replace the laptop cause they couldn't fix it and they 'upgraded' to a craptastic x300 |
| 21:56.28 | Blissex | Sutoka: which driver you using? |
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| 21:57.00 | Sutoka | Blissex: i've tried both close and open, and im now using open (since it doesn't constantly crash on shutdown) |
| 21:57.02 | linux4u | do you know a laptp done for LINUX-ONLY ? |
| 21:57.08 | UnionPivo | linux4u, hmm that came aout wrong, I am trying to improve my crappy english |
| 21:57.12 | linux4u | like LINUX-ONLY TV CARDS |
| 21:57.14 | linux4u | ? |
| 21:57.14 | Sutoka | Blissex: the fglrx drivers didn't give enough fps to use any opengl apps anyways |
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| 21:57.58 | UnionPivo | linux4u, I saw some add in LinuxJurnal for linux laptops, so yes look on google |
| 21:58.10 | UnionPivo | some adds |
| 21:58.21 | UnionPivo | as in adwertises |
| 21:58.22 | Blissex | Sutoka: very recent 'fglrx' seem to have shutdown fixes for some cases etc., and yes enough FPS is a problem unless the game is 2-3 years on with an X300. But a GF2go 5200 too. |
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| 21:58.42 | Blissex | the LJ advertiser is ''Emeperor Linux'' they supply preconfigured preinstalled laptops |
| 21:58.50 | Sutoka | Blissex: i used to play ut2004 on my old gf2go 5200, and it refuses to even start on my x300 |
| 21:58.54 | linux4u | NVIDIA laptops ? |
| 21:59.27 | Blissex | Sutoka: UT2004 will refuse to start with the freeware drivers... |
| 21:59.37 | UnionPivo | jup i an play ut2004 and doom 3 with nvidia (prop) driver |
| 21:59.38 | Blissex | Sutoka: but should sort of work with 'fglrx' |
| 21:59.55 | Sutoka | Blissex: that was using the fglrx driver |
| 22:00.25 | mcrandello | I can play tremulous on a 200m express with the fglrx drivers no prob |
| 22:00.29 | Sutoka | UnionPivo: i have no problem playing ut2k4 or quake4 on my desktop's nvidia card (they run great) |
| 22:00.32 | linux4u | is it possible to run fullscreen apps(video playbk and video games) with bad X drivers ? |
| 22:00.42 | mcrandello | of course I was used to playing quake on a s3 virge so my standards are low |
| 22:00.46 | Sutoka | linux4u: depends how bad they are |
| 22:01.30 | UnionPivo | linux4u, heh you can have video playback with mplayer without X even |
| 22:01.40 | linux4u | integrated/vga/generic |
| 22:02.35 | linux4u | yes but in fullscreen when you chage the window coords for a video playbk it crashes X |
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| 22:02.41 | linux4u | change |
| 22:02.53 | UnionPivo | well then don't runn X :) |
| 22:03.12 | linux4u | then kde wont run too,hurting :) |
| 22:03.20 | linux4u | too hurting to handle it :) |
| 22:03.24 | mcrandello | alright the guys in #xorg got the dual head xrandr kdm works but not kde thing handled |
| 22:03.50 | mcrandello | you have to go into display properties and check mark "apply settings on KDE startup" to get it to work right |
| 22:04.11 | mcrandello | otherwise you're stuck running xrandr every time you login to get both screens working |
| 22:04.23 | UnionPivo | linux4u, well qt4 will be able to runn nongui aps aswell :) |
| 22:04.35 | linux4u | :) |
| 22:04.40 | linux4u | but when ? |
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| 22:04.53 | UnionPivo | well you can do that now, but you have to link with whole qt |
| 22:04.53 | linux4u | they must do it rapidly |
| 22:05.01 | linux4u | no :) |
| 22:05.08 | linux4u | dont bother |
| 22:05.18 | linux4u | maybe later |
| 22:05.31 | linux4u | people should have good drivers |
| 22:05.35 | linux4u | that is all :) |
| 22:05.45 | linux4u | nvidia ones |
| 22:05.57 | linux4u | I wonder... |
| 22:06.19 | linux4u | nvidia is going to make cash with the Linux-community-driven drivers :) |
| 22:06.27 | UnionPivo | yes that why insted of using crappy prop drivers, they should push for good free ones |
| 22:06.38 | linux4u | since people will be force to buy geforces to have their X running :) |
| 22:07.04 | UnionPivo | because untill we have opensource drivers, we'll always have problems |
| 22:07.06 | mcrandello | well amd just now bought out ati so give them a little more time |
| 22:07.10 | linux4u | lol |
| 22:07.16 | linux4u | ati is directx |
| 22:07.22 | linux4u | nvidsia is directx opengl :) |
| 22:07.22 | mcrandello | they'll whip the poutine out of them and make them release some okay drivers yet |
| 22:07.23 | UnionPivo | ups untill we don't have |
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| 22:07.48 | Blissex | UnionPivo: good free drivers are practically impossible because the ''good'' graphics techniques are all patented. That's also apparently why NVIDIA adn ATI don't want to publish the sources: the make it harder for patent owners to prove they are using the patented stuff without paying. |
| 22:07.48 | mcrandello | I have to think this way my card is welded in |
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| 22:08.31 | linux4u | nvidia should build integreated video card |
| 22:08.34 | linux4u | for linux |
| 22:08.42 | linux4u | little models |
| 22:08.52 | UnionPivo | Blissex, well I just don't buy that argument |
| 22:09.08 | UnionPivo | It might also be that, but tehnology changes so fast |
| 22:09.18 | linux4u | that way everybody will use X flawlessly |
| 22:09.26 | linux4u | drivers will be great |
| 22:09.27 | mcrandello | I think they keep the drivers closed because of crap like quack.exe |
| 22:09.28 | UnionPivo | that most patents could be worked around |
| 22:09.35 | UnionPivo | if there was a will |
| 22:09.37 | linux4u | and all is ok |
| 22:09.53 | UnionPivo | how come all the server stuff just works on linux ? |
| 22:10.03 | UnionPivo | are there no patents there ? |
| 22:10.29 | Blissex | UnionPivo: a lot less. Linux is mostly a UNIX clone, and UNIX has been much the same for 35 years :-) |
| 22:10.33 | UnionPivo | and linux runs on some of the most expensive exotic hardvere out there |
| 22:10.45 | linux4u | :) |
| 22:10.55 | UnionPivo | Blissex, I dont buy that either |
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| 22:11.51 | linux4u | to have max performance of your linux/kde box ,just buy a little 800 mhz with 4 gb of memory and a geforce 6600 gt :) |
| 22:12.24 | linux4u | according to me the cpu speed is meaningless |
| 22:12.30 | mcrandello | also set the swapiness to 1 if you have that much ram |
| 22:12.35 | linux4u | even a 20 dollar P3 can do it |
| 22:12.36 | UnionPivo | well i have amd 2000, with 1gb ram, it runs most things fast enough |
| 22:12.43 | linux4u | just buy 4 GB Mo RAM |
| 22:13.14 | Pinaraf_ | 4Gb is perhaps too much :) |
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| 22:13.18 | linux4u | yes |
| 22:13.20 | UnionPivo | linux4u, so that firefox can take 3.5 gb insted of 600 mb ? :)) |
| 22:13.21 | linux4u | but is ok |
| 22:13.22 | mcrandello | 640k is all you need |
| 22:13.25 | Pinaraf_ | ok, with 4Gb you copy /usr into RAM :) |
| 22:13.28 | linux4u | if you have a litle cpu |
| 22:13.36 | linux4u | a Pentium 3 500 mhz |
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| 22:13.43 | linux4u | with 4 GB |
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| 22:13.56 | mcrandello | no swap partition at all, hell |
| 22:14.00 | linux4u | it cost less than a dual core for the same performances |
| 22:14.10 | mcrandello | watch firefox load in under the blink of an eye for once |
| 22:14.10 | Pinaraf | mcrandello: a swap partition is really important |
| 22:14.14 | Pinaraf | seriously |
| 22:14.20 | UnionPivo | Pinaraf_, that install has been constantly upgraded since slackweare 9.0 my /usr is quite big :)) |
| 22:14.21 | mcrandello | so put it in the ram |
| 22:14.29 | Pinaraf | mcrandello: yes |
| 22:14.53 | linux4u | look : 20 dollars for the cpu and 300 dollars for the RAM |
| 22:15.15 | linux4u | compared to : 800 dollars for the cpu and 100 dollars for the ram :) |
| 22:15.22 | mcrandello | hell buy some ram expanders like they had in the 386 days and shoehorn the whole OS in there |
| 22:15.28 | mcrandello | just mind the power switch |
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| 22:15.34 | UnionPivo | :) |
| 22:15.34 | linux4u | it does the same perofrmance count :) |
| 22:16.14 | _matt_ | is there a way to change the behaviour of when i click the icons on the desktop? |
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| 22:16.21 | _matt_ | i dont like how to execute on 1 click |
| 22:16.24 | _matt_ | they** |
| 22:16.33 | mcrandello | _matt_ go into kcontrol |
| 22:16.45 | _matt_ | will do ty mcrandello |
| 22:16.47 | mcrandello | there are options for pretty much everything you can set |
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| 22:16.55 | _matt_ | alrighty |
| 22:17.00 | Renze | _matt_: control centre -> peripherals -> mouse |
| 22:17.04 | UnionPivo | or use keybord in Krusader :) |
| 22:18.04 | _matt_ | Renze: rgr appreciate the help |
| 22:18.05 | linux4u | the best could be a modern mobo |
| 22:18.12 | Renze | _matt_: no problem |
| 22:18.21 | linux4u | so a athlon xp + 4 gb is great |
| 22:18.40 | linux4u | it is still less expensive than a signle X2 cpu |
| 22:18.45 | linux4u | for the same perofrmances |
| 22:19.34 | linux4u | you can even upgrade |
| 22:19.40 | _matt_ | ive been trying different distros of linux for years and to never find any true love |
| 22:19.42 | linux4u | with an athlon xp + 10 gb :) |
| 22:19.54 | _matt_ | but i installed sue 10.1 and all i can say is good bye XP |
| 22:19.55 | linux4u | it is less than X6800 + 4 Gb |
| 22:19.58 | _matt_ | kde is sexy |
| 22:20.01 | Renze | _matt_: gentoo :D |
| 22:20.07 | _matt_ | how is gentoo |
| 22:20.13 | _matt_ | i heard alot about that one too |
| 22:20.21 | linux4u | for faster performances |
| 22:20.24 | Renze | it's fantastic... if you're a geek |
| 22:20.28 | _matt_ | thats me |
| 22:20.39 | kucrut | Renze: ... |
| 22:20.44 | _matt_ | just i knew i could rely on suse because its been around forever |
| 22:20.47 | Renze | kucrut: ... |
| 22:23.35 | _matt_ | ill tell you guys 1 thing id rather spend 1000$ on linux distros then spend 200 on windows |
| 22:23.55 | linux4u | lol |
| 22:24.13 | _matt_ | :P |
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| 22:24.27 | _matt_ | i got another question im not sure if i should be asking it here... |
| 22:24.43 | _matt_ | i like to listen to a radio station through a windows media stream |
| 22:24.49 | linux4u | windows 95 is more expensive than mandriva+deb+rh+suse :) |
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| 22:24.51 | _matt_ | if i get mplayer will it allow me to do this |
| 22:24.58 | linux4u | windows 95 ,lol |
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| 22:25.23 | octan | hi all |
| 22:25.54 | kucrut | _matt_: that depends on the streaming codec, i guess |
| 22:26.12 | _matt_ | windows media |
| 22:26.23 | kucrut | wma? |
| 22:26.23 | linux4u | lol windows media player does it |
| 22:26.34 | linux4u | if it is wma even xine can do it |
| 22:26.38 | _matt_ | im not sure its on a website and i believe it runs through flash |
| 22:26.48 | linux4u | wmv can be done with mplayer codec pack |
| 22:26.52 | kucrut | _matt_: tried amarok yet? |
| 22:26.58 | linux4u | but streaming wmv can only be done with wmp |
| 22:26.58 | _matt_ | www.963wdvd.com |
| 22:27.02 | _matt_ | yea i love amarok |
| 22:27.12 | linux4u | wine windows media player |
| 22:27.13 | _matt_ | you click listen now and it opens a sub window |
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| 22:27.45 | octan | anyone using kxdocker? |
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| 22:28.13 | _matt_ | linux4u: will wine work along with WMP 11? |
| 22:28.17 | linux4u | windows media player 6 works |
| 22:28.20 | _matt_ | alright |
| 22:28.24 | linux4u | only it :) |
| 22:28.37 | Renze | win... dows? |
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| 22:28.41 | _matt_ | 6 is better then 0, correct linux4u ? |
| 22:28.42 | linux4u | DirectShow was led by a woman at this time :) |
| 22:28.46 | kucrut | _matt_: it's playing here |
| 22:28.48 | octan | how do i remove crap from the panerl? i tryed rightclick on it then remove now. but it comes back after a restart. |
| 22:28.50 | kucrut | thru kmplayer |
| 22:28.55 | _matt_ | kmplayer? |
| 22:29.02 | kucrut | yah |
| 22:29.08 | _matt_ | ill look around |
| 22:29.13 | _matt_ | im on suse 10.1 x64 |
| 22:29.14 | linux4u | wine wmp 6 |
| 22:29.18 | linux4u | it is the best way |
| 22:29.35 | linux4u | go to ms website and download windows media player 6 |
| 22:29.40 | linux4u | and the wine it |
| 22:29.42 | _matt_ | im on it... |
| 22:29.52 | octan | jajuk :P |
| 22:29.54 | _matt_ | just i am yet to have a good wine experience |
| 22:29.59 | kucrut | _matt_: dont worry, you udont need the wmv craps for that (i'm on gentoo 64bit without win32codecs) |
| 22:30.16 | Arixx | kucrut: emerge mplayer-bin |
| 22:30.17 | linux4u | but he wants to watch STREAMING wmv |
| 22:30.23 | linux4u | not SIMPLE WMV |
| 22:30.28 | linux4u | so he needs wmp |
| 22:30.29 | _matt_ | yeaa |
| 22:30.34 | _matt_ | :P |
| 22:30.36 | linux4u | mplayer cannot do streaming wmv |
| 22:30.40 | kucrut | Arixx: it worked _without_ it, no need |
| 22:30.40 | linux4u | no drm |
| 22:31.09 | _matt_ | yea but will wine embed it into the browser window because it tries to load it |
| 22:31.55 | kucrut | Arixx: kmplayer embedds itself in konqi |
| 22:32.08 | Arixx | yes |
| 22:32.18 | kucrut | sorry |
| 22:32.25 | kucrut | _matt_: ^^ |
| 22:32.27 | kucrut | :( |
| 22:32.32 | _matt_ | ty will try both |
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| 22:33.26 | _matt_ | this version of windows media player does not support windows 2000 |
| 22:33.28 | _matt_ | lmao |
| 22:33.34 | _matt_ | suse 10.1 |
| 22:33.39 | linux4u | then |
| 22:33.39 | _matt_ | win2k i think not |
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| 22:33.44 | linux4u | wine iexplorer too |
| 22:33.59 | _matt_ | i download the installer |
| 22:34.09 | linux4u | okay it seems you are a wine newbie |
| 22:34.12 | linux4u | try winetools |
| 22:34.46 | linux4u | frank's corner too |
| 22:34.56 | kucrut | stop using wine ppl!! |
| 22:34.56 | linux4u | google them |
| 22:34.58 | linux4u | and enjoy |
| 22:35.12 | johnny69 | kucrut: ?? |
| 22:35.30 | kucrut | what? |
| 22:35.30 | Ash-Fox | Anyone know of a decent way to synchronise settings between firefox and konqueror, such as bookmarks, cookies etc. |
| 22:35.48 | Blissex | Ash-Fox: bookmarks is easy. The rest not. |
| 22:35.58 | johnny69 | "stop using wine people" ?? Just curious. |
| 22:36.06 | kucrut | i mean, if there's a native linux app, why do you have to use wine?? |
| 22:36.21 | Ash-Fox | kucrut, native app doesn't always do what you want. |
| 22:36.23 | Renze | kucrut: because people are stupid |
| 22:36.35 | mcrandello | sometimes the native windows app is better suited to your needs |
| 22:36.41 | linux4u | lol |
| 22:36.50 | linux4u | there is not native for wmv streaming :) |
| 22:36.53 | linux4u | try aol video :) |
| 22:37.06 | linux4u | you will be screwed |
| 22:37.09 | kucrut | i we want them to suit our needs, then we should make them like ones |
| 22:37.20 | johnny69 | Right now I'm running "Shareaza" which is a file sharing client under wine because there is absolutely NOTHING in linux that can replace it. So there IS still a purpose in having w.i.n.e laying around the hd |
| 22:37.32 | linux4u | shareaza works on linux too |
| 22:37.35 | mcrandello | okay then you get to work reimplementing Punch! Super home suite I'll be over here reading |
| 22:37.40 | linux4u | wine it |
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| 22:37.50 | shining | SOMEONE KILL THIS GUY |
| 22:37.55 | linux4u | and even it,it seems there is a linux version to come |
| 22:38.04 | kucrut | hahaha |
| 22:38.10 | mcrandello | just saying |
| 22:38.11 | johnny69 | linux4u: I will be very happy when that happens. |
| 22:38.17 | linux4u | wiki.shareaza.com/static/FrShareazaLinux |
| 22:38.27 | linux4u | sourceforge.net/projects/shareazalinux/ |
| 22:38.34 | kucrut | shining: how do i do that? ;-) |
| 22:39.09 | shining | kucrut: that, I would love to know |
| 22:39.14 | Ash-Fox | Blissex, I know how to import, export bookmarks, but keeping them both synchronised constantly? |
| 22:39.38 | Blissex | Ash-Fox: constantly is impossible. |
| 22:39.56 | mcrandello | nothings impossible, you could use fam or something |
| 22:40.00 | Ash-Fox | Blissex, if only 'google browser sync' was on konqueror :/ |
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| 22:40.24 | mcrandello | it would be highly improbable most likely |
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| 22:42.10 | youknow365 | anything to make KDE look more pretty :P |
| 22:42.29 | youknow365 | like more like windows vista like |
| 22:42.35 | kucrut | eeeeeeeeewww |
| 22:42.35 | johnny69 | ughhh |
| 22:42.47 | youknow365 | :) |
| 22:42.58 | youknow365 | more smooth beveled things etc etc |
| 22:42.58 | Ash-Fox | youknow365, dekorator (going to have a fun time compiling the latest version) and superkaramba |
| 22:43.11 | mcrandello | I'm still waiting for a plan9 theme |
| 22:43.13 | youknow365 | Ash-Fox: whats this do ? |
| 22:43.18 | youknow365 | plan9 ? |
| 22:43.22 | johnny69 | ??? |
| 22:43.49 | mcrandello | http://cm.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.html |
| 22:43.58 | Ash-Fox | Dekorator themes are used a lot by people who make look-alike window styles (vista and all that), I've noticed, and superkarmba lets you create, or use already premade widgets/docks, whatever. |
| 22:44.18 | mcrandello | http://www.vitanuova.com/screenshots/p9i.gif |
| 22:44.48 | youknow365 | that looks ugly :( |
| 22:45.33 | mcrandello | wtf you mean, look at those buttons, pure simplicity |
| 22:45.51 | mcrandello | and I've always had a thing for cyan |
| 22:45.57 | Ash-Fox | Blissex, haha, I found a neat little app called 'bookmarkbridge' in my repositories :) |
| 22:46.16 | youknow365 | i like vistas new look |
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| 22:46.48 | Ash-Fox | youknow365, I like the classic look more. |
| 22:47.02 | youknow365 | i got tired of the class look in 95 |
| 22:47.06 | youknow365 | clasic |
| 22:47.07 | Blissex | Ash-Fox: but it does not do it constantly, it is just a converter. |
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| 22:47.28 | johnny69 | http://home.comcast.net/~69johnny/snapshot9.png << A **REAL** desktop gentleman. |
| 22:47.50 | Ash-Fox | Blissex, cronjobs are good enough I suppose |
| 22:48.14 | mcrandello | that's a lot o purple there johnny69 |
| 22:48.46 | mcrandello | the only thing I'd say is wrong with it though is that green suse button down there |
| 22:49.13 | johnny69 | Most of it is from the wallpaper :) I usually have something up like, a 22,000 x 78,000 wallpaper of "Jill Hennessey". :) |
| 22:49.39 | linux4u | if you like windows themes then kde look and Mister Speleo and Everaldo will be your friends |
| 22:49.44 | linux4u | just mail them :) |
| 22:49.56 | linux4u | alex speleo |
| 22:50.16 | linux4u | lol johnny |
| 22:50.27 | linux4u | so mail them johnny :) |
| 22:50.48 | canllaith | Although it is very empty since I only just woke up and logged in |
| 22:50.48 | johnny69 | If I had Jill Hennessey do you think I would MAIL her away?!?!?!? |
| 22:51.05 | linux4u | lol |
| 22:51.34 | linux4u | the guy who will give a bethany joy lenz kde theme will get some cash from me :) |
| 22:51.50 | linux4u | do you have it ? :) |
| 22:51.57 | youknow365 | whats this superkaramba |
| 22:52.12 | johnny69 | What's a, "Bethany Joy Lenz" exactly? |
| 22:52.19 | mcrandello | it puts those system stats and weather things like you see in johnny69's screeny |
| 22:52.19 | Kyral | youknow365: think GKrellm |
| 22:52.29 | linux4u | bethany,the most beautiful girl in the world |
| 22:52.31 | linux4u | :) |
| 22:53.01 | youknow365 | i liked that windows xp theme for Gnome a while back |
| 22:53.12 | linux4u | one ... |
| 22:53.17 | johnny69 | Everything you see on that desktop runs ALL the time actually. They are all set in the window config as, "utility windows". |
| 22:53.18 | linux4u | tree ... hill |
| 22:53.25 | youknow365 | any similiar for KDE or a windows vista look alike ? |
| 22:53.27 | linux4u | do you know it |
| 22:53.31 | linux4u | the scotts :) |
| 22:53.46 | canllaith | I use three programs and three only at work: xterm, firefox, thunderbird, gaim. |
| 22:53.50 | canllaith | Sorry, four =) |
| 22:54.00 | canllaith | (I forgot gaim until I'd already written the sentence) |
| 22:55.10 | straw | gaim! |
| 22:55.11 | johnny69 | Considering your dedication to Kde, I am surprised you use Gaim actually. |
| 22:55.19 | linux4u | friends say it is alyssa milano,but I dont think so :) |
| 22:55.22 | canllaith | I am using kopete right now at home |
| 22:55.32 | canllaith | but I have workmates who use gaim-encryption |
| 22:55.38 | linux4u | bethany is something beyond feeling :) |
| 22:55.40 | straw | ah, ok |
| 22:55.52 | johnny69 | I was just tickled to see they finally got the webcam thingy working fairly well. |
| 22:55.54 | mcrandello | http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotpn9.png |
| 22:55.55 | canllaith | thunderbird because it's the de-facto work 'standard', firefox because the wiki is slightly broken in other browsers... |
| 22:56.19 | canllaith | and xterm because the borders in konsole drive me wild. All that runs under a KDE desktop though and at home I s/thunderbird/kmail and s/firefox/konqueror as well as s/gaim/kopete |
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| 22:56.40 | canllaith | time to escort b/f to the hairdresser, bbl |
| 22:56.54 | johnny69 | That just sounded too strange. I'm not going to ask. |
| 22:56.59 | straw | heh |
| 22:57.06 | mcrandello | it took forever to make everything that orange |
| 22:57.19 | mcrandello | still trying to find where the wireless monitor gets its colors from |
| 22:57.42 | linux4u | but maybe tux can handle those two girls :),right johnyny ? |
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| 22:59.07 | johnny69 | I know I couldn't. |
| 22:59.13 | linux4u | TUX vs bethany joy lenz vs alyssa milano :) |
| 22:59.17 | linux4u | lol sure |
| 22:59.27 | linux4u | with you nerd-style :) |
| 22:59.30 | johnny69 | No dammit, Jill Hennessey! :) |
| 23:00.03 | linux4u | jill what ? |
| 23:00.04 | linux4u | lol |
| 23:00.36 | johnny69 | Correction: Hennessy |
| 23:00.37 | linux4u | she cannot handle the challenge with alyssa and bethany |
| 23:00.41 | linux4u | dont dream |
| 23:00.53 | linux4u | she cannot even out beyonce ,so |
| 23:01.21 | linux4u | (we are talking of beauty and feelings) |
| 23:01.35 | linux4u | not physcial appearence :) |
| 23:02.04 | linux4u | physcial appearence == butt |
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| 23:03.33 | Blissex | linux4u: «physcial appearence == butt» is only one of the 3 types of men... |
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| 23:05.06 | linux4u | look : http://bethanyjoylenz.net/ ,eye-popping |
| 23:05.11 | err0r^ | re :) |
| 23:05.49 | linux4u | the more beautiful in the world ,she is :) |
| 23:06.03 | linux4u | we should dedicate a kde theme to her beauty |
| 23:06.18 | trpr | the ones who learn by reading, the ones who learn through observation, and the rest who have to piss on the electric fence for themselves |
| 23:06.21 | johnny69 | Perhaps we can somehow DRAG this conversation back to SOMETHING pertaining to the NAMe of this channel |
| 23:07.17 | linux4u | ? |
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| 23:09.34 | mcrandello | so will kde4 have something that allows icons to go on top of the superkaramba desklets? |
| 23:09.47 | Sutoka | mcrandello: yes |
| 23:10.05 | Sutoka | mcrandello: Plasma (the replacement for kicker,kdesktop, and superkaramba) will do 'layers' |
| 23:10.17 | mcrandello | I like the name for sure |
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| 23:10.51 | mcrandello | so I could run programs as part of the desktop and have it as the actual background for reals then |
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| 23:10.54 | mcrandello | wheeee |
| 23:11.06 | Sutoka | mcrandello: i.e. you can have a 'background' layer, then a little rain drop effect on top of it, then the 'kicker' plasmoid, some other plasmoids, the icons, then more plasmoids, then windows |
| 23:11.26 | mcrandello | oh now that |
| 23:11.31 | mcrandello | that's just awesome |
| 23:11.55 | Sutoka | mcrandello: fyi, im not a plasma developer so there is no guarantees with my information |
| 23:12.09 | mcrandello | I can't wait to have the bouncing cows screensaver running in back of my web browser |
| 23:12.15 | shining | I find it more complicated than awesome |
| 23:12.24 | mcrandello | that is without going through the pain of setting up compiz |
| 23:12.42 | trpr | it sounds like an eyecandy experience :) |
| 23:12.44 | qupada | i'm sure it will all make sense when we finally get to see it working |
| 23:12.49 | trpr | i am looking forward to it |
| 23:13.00 | shining | who cares about that? |
| 23:13.12 | Sutoka | shining: the defaults most likely would be setup in a sane, familiar way |
| 23:13.30 | shining | stability and usability are much more important than eyecandy |
| 23:13.32 | mcrandello | my desktop will be the desktop equivalent of a geocities webpage from back in its heyday |
| 23:13.41 | Sutoka | right now the desktop is kinda like: wallpaper, icons, kicker, windows/sk applets |
| 23:13.50 | trpr | shining: if you ask me, we have had both stability and usability for quite some time |
| 23:14.23 | shining | I won't ask you then :) |
| 23:14.51 | Sutoka | shining: it should actually make it stabler, since kicker won't really be as complex |
| 23:25.15 | rivad | What do you people recommend instead of gaim? |
| 23:25.35 | qupada | bitlbee :D just use your irc client |
| 23:26.07 | shining | Sutoka: btw about the kcontrol stuff, you saw the last comment saying it's already fixed in svn? |
| 23:26.37 | Sutoka | shining: yeah, except it was using my original method (i.e. default always enables apply) |
| 23:26.44 | shining | yes |
| 23:26.45 | linux4u | speakfreely is great |
| 23:26.49 | linux4u | wine it |
| 23:27.00 | shining | well, that's the easiest fix, and I like how it's done |
| 23:27.37 | linux4u | gnu mail is great too |
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| 23:28.33 | anisfarhana | beep beep |
| 23:28.36 | anisfarhana | greetings all |
| 23:28.41 | linux4u | or as qupd said use this irc client |
| 23:28.44 | linux4u | :) |
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| 23:29.50 | shining | I should get the svn branch and fix these stuff |
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| 23:31.42 | linux4u | gnu mail featuring a well tweaked shell is the best im :) |
| 23:32.05 | Sutoka | shining: 3.5.5 branch, or trunk? |
| 23:33.30 | linux4u | for phone calls skype cannot stand the challenge with SpeakFreely :) |
| 23:33.51 | linux4u | and instead of gaim using kopete is better |
| 23:34.16 | Sutoka | gaim is better (subjective) than kopete on some protocols |
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| 23:34.36 | trpr | hrm. there is no otr plugin for kopete that i know of, or i would be using it |
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| 23:35.05 | shining | Sutoka: it seems like 3.5.5 branch is more appropriate |
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| 23:35.13 | Sutoka | shining: go for it |
| 23:35.26 | Sutoka | shining: enjoy stealing my thunder :'( |
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| 23:37.30 | shining | Sutoka: I've other bugs for you :) |
| 23:38.04 | Sutoka | shining: im not sure if thats a good thing |
| 23:38.45 | J | Hey. SuperKaramba crashed when I was installing one of the themes, and now it's acting very buggy (none of my installed themes appear until I install another, and then they all appear along with some that I didn't install, and I can't run any of them). Is there any way I could fix this? |
| 23:38.50 | shining | ok then :p |
| 23:40.41 | linux4u | I wonder.... |
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| 23:41.15 | linux4u | is windows media player source code base more huge than mplayer source ? |
| 23:41.25 | Sutoka | linux4u: ask microsoft that |
| 23:41.28 | linux4u | :) |
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| 23:41.37 | linux4u | cause it is seems that wmp is a real sub system |
| 23:41.48 | linux4u | mplayer source code impresses |
| 23:41.55 | linux4u | but wmp must be more impressive |
| 23:42.59 | Sutoka | linux4u: what do you think a 'real sub system' is? |
| 23:43.14 | linux4u | a server |
| 23:43.22 | linux4u | a system service |
| 23:43.30 | linux4u | running on the kernel space |
| 23:43.35 | linux4u | like directx,wmp |
| 23:43.36 | linux4u | ie |
| 23:43.40 | Sutoka | no |
| 23:43.55 | linux4u | ahhh |
| 23:44.04 | linux4u | explain |
| 23:44.13 | Sutoka | its not |
| 23:44.22 | linux4u | explain then |
| 23:44.33 | Sutoka | explain it not being a system service? |
| 23:45.41 | linux4u | I think that in NT directx is tied with the kernel |
| 23:45.51 | linux4u | this why when you delete directx |
| 23:45.58 | linux4u | nt loader sucks too |
| 23:48.04 | linux4u | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computer_science) |
| 23:48.23 | linux4u | Monolithic kernels vs microkernels |
| 23:48.31 | linux4u | look there |
| 23:48.41 | Sutoka | linux4u: i've read that before |
| 23:48.46 | linux4u | okay |
| 23:48.59 | linux4u | so you know that in NT directx is a kernel interface |
| 23:49.06 | linux4u | when you delete directx |
| 23:49.16 | linux4u | windows will never work again |
| 23:49.19 | linux4u | even virtually |
| 23:49.32 | linux4u | try to delete directx with "directx buster" |
| 23:49.33 | greeneg | linux4u: the reason for this is that GDI on Windows IS a kernel space system. GDI is in turn linked against the DirectX dlls which means that it blows up if you remove the essential dlls that it's linked against |
| 23:49.47 | linux4u | so it is gdi |
| 23:49.53 | linux4u | yes |
| 23:50.12 | linux4u | gid serves directdraw that serves kernel::overlay |
| 23:50.15 | linux4u | logical :) |
| 23:50.24 | Sutoka | your point? |
| 23:50.30 | linux4u | gdi |
| 23:51.06 | Sutoka | what about it? |
| 23:51.20 | greeneg | linux4u: which btw is why the NT kernel is more a monolithic kernel these days as you really cannot remove certian portions of Windows that really SHOULD be modular. |
| 23:51.40 | linux4u | what cannot be rm ? |
| 23:51.41 | Sutoka | fyi, windows isn't a microkernel, its generally considered a 'hybrid kernel' |
| 23:51.48 | linux4u | yes |
| 23:51.53 | linux4u | a hybrid |
| 23:51.59 | linux4u | I agree on this point |
| 23:52.25 | qupada | hybrid: n. combining the worst parts of two or more other entities. |
| 23:52.45 | Sutoka | qupada: i like that definition |
| 23:53.27 | johnny69 | greeneg: You say that like it's bordering on blasphemy. |
| 23:53.45 | johnny69 | On second thought, perhaps you're right. |
| 23:54.27 | linux4u | toka |
| 23:55.03 | linux4u | is it possible to |
| 23:55.27 | Sutoka | linux4u: possible to what? |
| 23:55.47 | linux4u | remove gdi32.dll,compile a custom one and call it/place it in windows/system32/ gdi32.dll with custom code ? |
| 23:55.59 | Sutoka | linux4u: yes |
| 23:56.06 | Sutoka | linux4u: practical? no |
| 23:56.09 | linux4u | and it will work :) |
| 23:56.25 | linux4u | we can add X code in it :) |
| 23:56.35 | Sutoka | why would you want to do that? |
| 23:56.41 | linux4u | we can vene do a trojan for that :) |
| 23:56.48 | trpr | bleh. kontact needs to include some reasonable default filters.. configuring this stuff is a feat of organization |
| 23:56.53 | linux4u | force the user to use X :) |
| 23:57.15 | Sutoka | trpr: use spamassassin or one of the other things |
| 23:57.41 | Sutoka | linux4u: so wait... they have to go out of their way to install a custom gdi32.dll... to force them to use X |
| 23:57.41 | linux4u | toka |
| 23:57.48 | linux4u | what do you think about it ? |
| 23:57.55 | linux4u | no |
| 23:58.01 | linux4u | it setup automatically |
| 23:58.08 | linux4u | through a trojan |
| 23:58.15 | linux4u | rootkit |
| 23:58.25 | linux4u | hey hey hey |
| 23:58.39 | trpr | Sutoka: ah, refering to the calendar filters actually, for organizing my time :\ |
| 23:58.42 | Sutoka | linux4u: i don't think any Xorg people would be happy about that |
| 23:58.50 | linux4u | :) |
| 23:59.00 | linux4u | anyway |
| 23:59.10 | linux4u | but we could do it for Direct3D :) |
| 23:59.12 | Sutoka | trpr: they should include a default scheduled event called 'setup filters' and have it set to all time |
| 23:59.18 | johnny69 | Sutoka: I bet the windows people wouldn't be too farkin' HAPPY EITHER! |
| 23:59.28 | Sutoka | johnny69: no, no they wouldn't |
| 23:59.30 | linux4u | insert OpenGL32 code into Direct3D :) |
| 23:59.38 | linux4u | hey a good idea :) |
| 23:59.39 | Sutoka | linux4u: that won't be very good on vista |
| 23:59.44 | Sutoka | linux4u: infinite loop |
| 23:59.47 | linux4u | wtf |
| 23:59.54 | linux4u | ms will get pissed off |
| 23:59.55 | linux4u | :) |
