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| 00:30.25 | thegh0st | ello |
| 00:30.32 | thegh0st | I have a question regarding kopete |
| 00:31.06 | thegh0st | how can I make the contact list transparent ? |
| 00:31.25 | Renze | by changing the code |
| 00:31.33 | thegh0st | uhh seriously? |
| 00:31.43 | Renze | or filing a wish on bugs.kde.org |
| 00:32.09 | thegh0st | whats the closest thing to adium on linux? |
| 00:32.26 | Renze | there is currently no way to make the contact list transparent... but you might want to take a look at the kopete desklist plugin on kde-apps.org |
| 00:32.42 | Renze | kopete is the closest thing to adium... at least kopete 0.12.x or higher |
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| 00:32.56 | thegh0st | oky |
| 00:33.05 | thegh0st | desklist/ |
| 00:33.06 | thegh0st | alright |
| 00:33.19 | thegh0st | but dude, im using Fluxbox not kde, is the desklist going to work not using the kde desktop layer? |
| 00:33.26 | Renze | probably not |
| 00:33.33 | Renze | sucks to use fluxbox :D |
| 00:34.54 | Renze | anyhow, even if you could make the kopete contact list transparent, it wouldn't work because you're using fluxbox :D |
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| 01:01.07 | thegh0st | god this rar takes forever to extract |
| 01:01.12 | thegh0st | like im talking 30 minutes |
| 01:01.28 | thegh0st | but so far my linux install is working perfectly :D |
| 01:01.46 | thegh0st | so how can I install adium themes into kopete? |
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| 01:02.27 | Renze | the same way you installed themes in the old kopete |
| 01:02.47 | P-Luc_Auclair | does anyone know if it's possible to apply styles to few words instead of whole paragraphs in KWord? |
| 01:03.33 | Renze | thegh0st: click the "Install" button in the Chat Window pane |
| 01:04.19 | P-Luc_Auclair | actually the question is, are all styles paragraph styles |
| 01:04.23 | icwiener | Sho_: It's alive! :D |
| 01:05.03 | Renze | P-Luc_Auclair: have you asked in #koffice ? |
| 01:05.21 | P-Luc_Auclair | I tried #kword haha, didn't think of it |
| 01:05.27 | P-Luc_Auclair | thanks |
| 01:05.28 | Sho_ | icwiener: *wakes up* Hm? |
| 01:05.46 | icwiener | Sho_: Oh, then _that's_ alive now too. ;) |
| 01:06.18 | icwiener | Sho_: 1.0 package for Debian is available since a few hours ago. |
| 01:06.41 | Sho_ | icwiener: Ah ... do you know if Nate did it or Isaac did it? |
| 01:06.50 | icwiener | Sho_: Are you sleeping with hilight-beep? |
| 01:07.00 | Sho_ | icwiener: Basically, yeah |
| 01:07.10 | icwiener | Sho_: Maintainer is Nate. |
| 01:07.50 | Sho_ | icwiener: Okay ... let's see if/how we're going to get 1.0.1 flying next week, then - I'd like that to be in Etch in time if possible |
| 01:08.40 | icwiener | Sho_: So, since you're awake now... there is a doublespace in src/inputfilter.cpp:1319 before the "%2" in 1.0. :) |
| 01:09.33 | Sho_ | icwiener: I'll make a not of it, thanks ... can't change it at the moment due to freeze, though |
| 01:09.36 | Sho_ | *note |
| 01:09.49 | icwiener | Sho_: Will there be a stringfreeze, or are there no new strings incoming? |
| 01:10.30 | Sho_ | icwiener: It's frozen right now |
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| 01:11.33 | icwiener | Sho_: Ok. |
| 01:12.59 | thegh0st | Renze: it actually works? |
| 01:13.31 | thegh0st | yeh firefox doesnt know the stream |
| 01:13.58 | Sho_ | icwiener: Better safe than sorry, though, so if you got time, check for updates on the weekend ;) |
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| 01:15.09 | Renze | thegh0st: it works for me |
| 01:15.12 | icwiener | Sho_: Will there be an announcement on i18n a few days before release? |
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| 01:15.46 | morghanphoenix | How do I get xscreensavers to work? |
| 01:15.49 | Sho_ | icwiener: No, since I already wrote to i18n-doc two weeks ago announcing a release for end of September-ish |
| 01:16.29 | icwiener | Ok, then I have to make a note. ;) |
| 01:16.57 | morghanphoenix | They work in Gnome but won't work in KDE |
| 01:17.14 | Sho_ | icwiener: We basically never left string freeze since 1.0 ... one or two might have been touched by evil persons ;) |
| 01:19.34 | icwiener | Sho_: I found two new strings today. I don't know if I overlooked before 1.0 or if they are really new. |
| 01:20.20 | icwiener | Sho_: "Website Hosting" and "Website Maintenance" |
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| 01:21.00 | icwiener | Sho_: Anyway. I guess it's not to much change to keep translation up-to-date. ;) |
| 01:21.04 | Sho_ | icwiener: That's credits stuff, yeah ... not mission critical |
| 01:21.13 | Sho_ | From the about dialog |
| 01:21.31 | icwiener | Sho_: I see. |
| 01:21.33 | Sho_ | I mean, at least I assume users can live without a translation of our deeds |
| 01:21.41 | Sho_ | :-) |
| 01:22.00 | icwiener | Think so. :) |
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| 01:22.47 | morghanphoenix | Anybody know why xscreensaver won't work buy GLs do? |
| 01:23.17 | Renze | morghanphoenix: they work fine here... what distro? |
| 01:23.30 | morghanphoenix | Kubuntu 6.06.1 |
| 01:23.50 | Renze | another black mark next to *ubuntu in my book... |
| 01:24.00 | Renze | running out of room here |
| 01:24.01 | icwiener | hehehe |
| 01:24.23 | morghanphoenix | I'm thinking of installing straight debian |
| 01:24.42 | Sho_ | icwiener: I'm off to bed, see you |
| 01:24.49 | morghanphoenix | or slackware, but I'm not sure I know enough for that one. |
| 01:24.52 | Lamington | morghanphoenix: only GLs are working ? |
| 01:24.57 | morghanphoenix | Yeah |
| 01:24.59 | icwiener | Sho_: gn8 |
| 01:25.06 | morghanphoenix | They work fing in gnome |
| 01:25.50 | Lamington | all my screensavers work fine |
| 01:26.31 | morghanphoenix | The #kubuntu channel thinks I'm crazy, it's supposed to be GLs that don't work. |
| 01:27.10 | Lamington | Do you have kscreensaver-xsavers installed ? |
| 01:27.26 | morghanphoenix | yup, and fully updated as of an hour ago. |
| 01:27.52 | morghanphoenix | They're working in gnome, and GLs are too slow on my computer. |
| 01:28.07 | Lamington | hmm |
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| 01:28.36 | BrigadierFrog | morghanphoenix: check out archlinux then |
| 01:28.48 | BrigadierFrog | I was in your shoes not too long ago |
| 01:28.48 | morghanphoenix | eh? |
| 01:28.53 | morghanphoenix | new distro |
| 01:29.01 | BrigadierFrog | no, its been around for awhile now |
| 01:29.13 | morghanphoenix | I have debian and slackware both sitting next to the monitor |
| 01:29.22 | Lamington | I'm using kubuntu also and I have no such problem |
| 01:30.03 | Lamington | bizarre |
| 01:30.07 | morghanphoenix | I updated K3B and it broke so I can't burn new ISOs at the moment. |
| 01:30.26 | morghanphoenix | Maybe it's because I have x/k/ubuntu |
| 01:30.39 | morghanphoenix | there might be some kind of conflict |
| 01:30.54 | Lamington | maybe... but I cant think how |
| 01:31.28 | morghanphoenix | What makes it wierd is that they work in gnome, but I don't really care for gnome that much. |
| 01:31.49 | Lamington | I've had xfce and Enlightenment installed and never had any such problems |
| 01:33.47 | Lamington | perhaps try reinstalling kscreensaver-xsavers ? |
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| 01:35.32 | Lamington | you have xscreensaver-data installed ? |
| 01:35.33 | morghanphoenix | how do you reinstall something that's allready installed? |
| 01:36.01 | morghanphoenix | yup, all there, if something was missing I don't think it would work in gnome. |
| 01:36.15 | Lamington | ah, of course :P |
| 01:36.59 | morghanphoenix | what's the command to reinstall? |
| 01:37.13 | Lamington | easiest n00b way of doing it is to open up Adept and click on "Request Removal" |
| 01:37.31 | morghanphoenix | so I need to remove and then install |
| 01:37.37 | Lamington | yeah |
| 01:38.21 | Lamington | And if reinstalling doesnt work (and I'm just stabbing in the dark)... well... bugger ! |
| 01:38.26 | morghanphoenix | I'm trying to stick to command line, need to learn that, got it uninstalling in yakuake |
| 01:38.37 | Lamington | ok |
| 01:38.47 | Lamington | I use yakuake too :) |
| 01:38.58 | Renze | ah, commandline... been using that since 1983 :) |
| 01:39.09 | morghanphoenix | I like the 500ms load |
| 01:39.23 | morghanphoenix | not really a load since it's allready loaded |
| 01:39.30 | morghanphoenix | but you know what I mean |
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| 01:40.03 | Lamington | I just think its cool, and convenient |
| 01:40.47 | morghanphoenix | I was scared of the command line untill last night |
| 01:40.59 | morghanphoenix | I loved DOS, but linux scared me |
| 01:41.08 | morghanphoenix | Had to use it last night and got hooked |
| 01:41.10 | Lamington | heh |
| 01:42.40 | Renze | I still do pretty much all of my file management via commandline |
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| 01:43.12 | morghanphoenix | I use krusader |
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| 01:44.27 | morghanphoenix | okay, ktux, lines etc are the xsavers, right? |
| 01:44.27 | Lamington | I hae krusader installed but hardly use it |
| 01:44.37 | morghanphoenix | It's better than konqueror |
| 01:45.04 | morghanphoenix | Konqueror might have lots of uses, but it's not very good at any of them. |
| 01:45.04 | Lamington | have you used krusader as root ? |
| 01:45.05 | morghanphoenix | yeah |
| 01:45.19 | Lamington | I haven't had success at that yet |
| 01:45.37 | morghanphoenix | are those xsavers? |
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| 01:47.12 | morghanphoenix | blob, ktux, lines, galaxy etc. |
| 01:47.32 | Lamington | sounds like they are |
| 01:48.01 | morghanphoenix | okay, so now some of them are showing up, but not all of them. |
| 01:48.12 | Lamington | ah rite |
| 01:48.51 | morghanphoenix | Is there a way to add the missing ones? |
| 01:49.05 | Lamington | whats missing ? |
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| 01:49.21 | morghanphoenix | everything that starts with x |
| 01:49.39 | mmenal | hey |
| 01:50.07 | morghanphoenix | there's a whole package in gnome that all the savers start with x, they worked before I reinstalled. |
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| 01:50.14 | morghanphoenix | I mis xmatrix |
| 01:50.17 | mmenal | does anybody know if there's a way to use "search" in a textarea in Konqueror? (except using kvim, of course) |
| 01:50.40 | mmenal | FF has an extension that does this, but I can't find anything similar for Konqueror |
| 01:52.48 | Sutoka | can't you just use the normal search? |
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| 01:53.07 | mmenal | not as far as I can tell |
| 01:53.14 | Lamington | morghanphoenix: I dont have anything starting with x in /usr/lib/xscreensaver/ either except xlyap |
| 01:53.37 | Sutoka | mmenal: control+f works fine, just not '/' searching |
| 01:53.42 | morghanphoenix | hmm, do you have gnome? |
| 01:53.58 | Sutoka | mmenal: at least for Embeded Advanced Text Editor (the default one i believe) |
| 01:53.59 | Lamington | nope :) |
| 01:54.42 | morghanphoenix | They came with the ubuntu package, but they did work in KDE too. |
| 01:54.48 | morghanphoenix | Damn reinstalls |
| 01:56.15 | Lamington | I have discovered screensavers I've never seen before in /usr/lib/xscreensaver though |
| 01:57.16 | morghanphoenix | checking it |
| 01:58.23 | Lamington | some of them dont show up in kde's screensaver dialogue for some reason |
| 01:58.55 | morghanphoenix | found the file in the directory |
| 01:58.58 | morghanphoenix | it's there |
| 01:59.16 | Lamington | click on it, see if it works |
| 01:59.50 | morghanphoenix | perfectly |
| 02:00.07 | Lamington | so its just not showing up in kde's dialogue then |
| 02:00.35 | morghanphoenix | Yup |
| 02:00.35 | Sutoka | make sure your stuff is compiled with xscreensaver support if you want to use xscreensavers |
| 02:01.08 | morghanphoenix | ? |
| 02:01.16 | morghanphoenix | newbie alert |
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| 02:02.51 | rr72 | where can i get themes for konversation? |
| 02:03.03 | Lamington | rr72: kde-look.org |
| 02:03.11 | rr72 | i thought i checked tehre |
| 02:03.17 | rr72 | ill look more |
| 02:05.21 | Lamington | rr72: http://www.kde-look.org/content/search.php |
| 02:07.39 | morghanphoenix | Got it, launced xscreensaver, disabled the KDE screensaver and think I'm good to go. |
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| 02:08.49 | Lamington | ah |
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| 02:11.40 | morghanphoenix | gotta go eat, thanks for the help |
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| 02:12.18 | Renze | I just let spamassassin deal with the rare spams that make it through the gauntlet |
| 02:12.55 | Sutoka | i use bogofilter (used to use both bogofilter & spamassassin, but it took forever to actually process them then) and so far it gets most everything |
| 02:13.12 | Sutoka | its just that i've gotten a few false positives so im worried that ill accidentally delete something legit |
| 02:13.36 | Renze | I store the spam, just to make sure, and I have yet to get a false positive |
| 02:14.16 | Sutoka | luckily today i thought up about sorting my spam folder by the receiver, then all those 'info@mydomain' webhost@mydomain, etc emails i just straight up delete |
| 02:14.34 | Sutoka | and i ended up with zero that actually went to my real email address lol |
| 02:15.30 | Sutoka | why do the spammers think I'll be interested in buying targeted advertisements from them, when they send them to email addresses that don't exist? |
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| 02:40.40 | mmenal | Sutoka: (sorry for the delay - roommate came home drunk ;) hmm, seems you're right. dunno why it didn't seem to work at first. thanks! |
| 02:41.16 | Renze | ah, to be drunk... |
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| 02:43.20 | mmenal | well, drunk is one thing, drunk before 11pm is quite another =) |
| 02:43.54 | qupada | drunk before 11am on the other hand :D |
| 02:45.20 | hydrogen | drunk and waking me up at 2 in the morning when ihave to be up at 5 on the other other hand... |
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| 02:46.52 | mmenal | must add I've never even met him before, makes quite an impression |
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| 02:52.33 | grepper | hi |
| 02:52.47 | rr72 | been awhile |
| 02:53.02 | grepper | I try to stay away from evil |
| 02:53.12 | rr72 | lol |
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| 03:31.59 | Tonglebeak | everytime i fire up kopete, i have a kwallet prompt nagging me, asking if i want to use kwallet, which i don't want to, and i have to cancel the dialog twice before getting to kopete |
| 03:32.02 | Tonglebeak | anyway to stop this? |
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| 03:42.49 | finaldo | I installed KDE with a very basic setup (Gentoo, emerged "kdebase-startkde"). When I click on the KMenu, a dialog pops up saying "Malformed URL system:/". Anyone know what causes that to happen? |
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| 03:43.29 | Renze | finaldo: it's because you chose to install only part of KDE instead of installing it properly |
| 03:43.37 | Renze | ~split-ebuilds |
| 03:43.39 | apt | If you didn't build the whole of a KDE module, we can't offer support. See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=110806759516927&w=2 for the reason. Try #gentoo if you don't want to install the full KDE module. |
| 03:44.08 | finaldo | I'm a bad boy. :P |
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| 03:44.14 | Tonglebeak | needs konqueror i think |
| 03:44.21 | Tonglebeak | i had that same problem too before |
| 03:44.27 | finaldo | Ah you're probably right! |
| 03:44.39 | Tonglebeak | ;) |
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| 04:01.58 | poopybutt | every time i restart, i get two desktop folders in my home directory |
| 04:02.12 | poopybutt | desktop and desktop1, and desktop1 only contains trash |
| 04:02.20 | poopybutt | i delete desktop1 every time but it keeps coming back |
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| 04:55.57 | QMario_ | Why does Flash not play sound in Mozilla Firefox in Linux? |
| 04:56.13 | Renze | it does, if you don't use arts |
| 04:59.14 | Ardonik | It does even if you do use arts--just start firefox through soundwrapper first. |
| 04:59.28 | Renze | of course, getting rid of arts is the much saner course :D |
| 04:59.47 | Ardonik | Renze == ++artsHate ; Ardonik == --artsHate; |
| 05:00.13 | Renze | arts used to regularly lock up my machine... then I stopped using it :D |
| 05:00.19 | Ardonik | Why you trippin', yo |
| 05:00.33 | Renze | slap ma 'fro! |
| 05:00.46 | Ardonik | Gawd, that reply sucked. |
| 05:01.13 | Renze | I'm not in north america, so I'm not surrounded by that particular dialect on a daily basis. |
| 05:01.21 | Ardonik | Don't be hatin' on my artsd. |
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| 05:02.01 | Renze | you can have artsd... as long as I never have to use that crap again :D |
| 05:02.17 | Ardonik | So, QMario_, the choice...is yours! :-) |
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| 06:14.08 | PeanutHorst | Renze: hi, Ardonik: hi, whassup ma brothas from otha mothas? :P |
| 06:14.42 | Ardonik | Your jive sucks even worse than Renze's. |
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| 06:15.20 | Renze | I say, that's just not cricket, what? |
| 06:15.37 | Ardonik | Too right, mate |
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| 06:46.00 | _-InFeRnO-_ | hello |
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| 06:48.54 | vnegera | sometimes i need to use icewm instead of kde in order to run some apps fast; sometimes i need this or that kde app while running icewm: how do i run it while making sure it won't bring with it the whole kde army? |
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| 06:50.14 | Renze | um, apps don't run any slower under kde than under icewm |
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| 06:55.09 | vnegera | Renze: ok, please ignore the first part of my message and answer to the second part of my message. |
| 06:55.13 | vnegera | Renze: sometimes i need this or that kde app while running icewm: how do i run it while making sure it won't bring with it the whole kde army? |
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| 06:55.29 | Renze | vnegera: the app will only bring down what it needs |
| 06:55.41 | Renze | kde has very tight integration between apps |
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| 06:56.32 | vnegera | Renze: sometimes it is said it brings some things they don't need, as though they assume it's nicer to feel as though the whole kde is running. so are you saying this is false? |
| 06:56.50 | Renze | can you give me an example of something that it doesn't need? |
| 06:56.53 | vnegera | Renze: it brings = the kde apps bring |
| 06:57.13 | vnegera | Renze: lemme think |
| 06:58.06 | vnegera | Renze: dcop? |
| 06:58.23 | Renze | dcop is inter-process communication, often used by many KDE apps |
| 06:58.38 | Renze | the app doesn't know it's not running outside of KDE |
| 06:58.44 | vnegera | Renze: to communicate with what, considering that i only use one app? |
| 06:58.52 | Renze | vnegera: the app doesn't know that |
| 06:58.56 | vnegera | Renze: tight integration shouldn't be the antonym of modularity. |
| 06:58.58 | Renze | you want AI now? |
| 06:59.23 | vnegera | Renze: apps should be integrated very nicely but separately useable at the first time. just like krusader integrates a lot of stuff in that nice manner. |
| 06:59.37 | vnegera | Renze: no, i don't want ai |
| 06:59.42 | Renze | vnegera: feel free to fork KDE and write it the way you want |
| 07:00.03 | Renze | I like the way it works now |
| 07:00.14 | vnegera | Renze: i can't fork kde! you can't imagine how complex kde is to me. |
| 07:00.14 | Renze | I like the integration |
| 07:00.23 | Renze | it's complex to everybody |
| 07:00.24 | vnegera | integration is what i too like |
| 07:00.36 | vnegera | but integration doesn't mean monolith structure |
| 07:00.42 | Renze | but now you want the integration removed |
| 07:00.54 | vnegera | or konqueror behaing like internet explorer. |
| 07:00.57 | Renze | you want apps to detect whether they're being launched in KDE or not? |
| 07:00.59 | vnegera | behaing=behaving |
| 07:01.03 | vnegera | yes |
| 07:01.06 | Renze | it does no such thing |
| 07:01.13 | vnegera | i want them to detect that |
| 07:01.14 | vnegera | i would be nice |
| 07:01.17 | Renze | vnegera: then write that functionality into every KDE app |
| 07:01.23 | vnegera | but, well, if it's not possible, then that's it. |
| 07:02.33 | Renze | maybe you'd like gnome better... there's very little integration there :D |
| 07:03.13 | vnegera | i hate gnome |
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| 07:03.36 | vnegera | and anyway you shouldn't recommend gnome on #kde or you'll start a flamewar |
| 07:03.55 | Renze | nah, they can smell the sarcasm on that statement :D |
| 07:03.56 | benJIman | heh try running gnome apps in kde and they want gnome-settings-daemon which hijacks your screensaver. |
| 07:06.07 | vnegera | Renze: i hope so. otoh, your remark is not that sarcastic. actually i love lack of integration than monolith-like integration. |
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| 07:06.36 | Renze | I don't see monolith-like integration in KDE |
| 07:07.32 | benJIman | there isn't, there's lots of small parts doing their job well and working together |
| 07:07.37 | benJIman | that's why you need dcop so they can communicate |
| 07:08.11 | vnegera | Renze: i must admit i was exagerating; however i am sure integration and modularity have a much nicer tradeoff than what kde currently supports. i hope kde4 goes that way. |
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| 07:12.51 | Renze | benJIman: what are you doing to the bot? :D |
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| 07:27.09 | vnegera | hey, is there any bash command to find out the current size of the (graphical) vt (lines and columns)? |
| 07:27.29 | Renze | echo $LINES"x"$COLUMNS |
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| 07:27.54 | Renze | or you can reverse the order if you like :) |
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| 07:28.31 | vnegera | Renze: LOL |
| 07:28.35 | vnegera | Renze: thank you |
| 07:28.39 | Renze | no problem |
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| 07:37.07 | plazm | hi, does any of you know, if kde-config is avaiable in a gentoo ebuild |
| 07:37.16 | annma | of course it is |
| 07:37.37 | Renze | one moment, and I'll tell you which |
| 07:37.37 | annma | i believe it's in kdelibs |
| 07:37.47 | Renze | equery is horribly slow |
| 07:38.04 | annma | 10$ |
| 07:38.15 | Renze | I'm betting the same |
| 07:38.26 | annma | ;) |
| 07:38.31 | annma | no risk! |
| 07:38.37 | vnegera | Renze: why would kde sometimes prevent me from using a LD_PRELOAD env variable? |
| 07:38.38 | Renze | precisely :) |
| 07:38.54 | Renze | [ Searching for file(s) /usr/kde/3.5/bin/kde-config in *... ] |
| 07:38.54 | Renze | kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r2 (/usr/kde/3.5/bin/kde-config) |
| 07:38.55 | plazm | well, why cant kconfigeditors ./configure not find it, when i've installed it? |
| 07:38.56 | vnegera | Renze: and how do i kill this behaviour? |
| 07:39.09 | annma | vnegera: how does kde prevent you from using it/ |
| 07:39.15 | Japsu | aww, Renze was faster |
| 07:39.21 | Renze | plazm: messed up path? |
| 07:39.36 | Japsu | my slow-ass laptop is still munching through the edb |
| 07:39.38 | annma | plazm: kde-config --prefix |
| 07:39.39 | Renze | vnegera: sorry, no idea... I don't use any LD_PRELOADs |
| 07:39.42 | annma | in konsole |
| 07:39.50 | annma | what is the output? |
| 07:40.08 | plazm | its: /usr/kde/3.5 |
| 07:40.13 | annma | KDE cannot prevent you from using anything, vnegera |
| 07:40.24 | Renze | plazm: ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` |
| 07:40.26 | annma | plazm: is it where your kde is installed? |
| 07:40.41 | plazm | annma yeah |
| 07:40.43 | vnegera | annma: this is what i am going to find out |
| 07:40.51 | Renze | plazm: you have to tell the configure script where KDE is installed... it doesn't know it's on gentoo |
| 07:40.57 | annma | if you have kde bits in several dirs you need to set $KDEDIRS |
| 07:41.07 | _-InFeRnO-_ | wait |
| 07:41.09 | plazm | okay, thanks |
| 07:41.23 | vnegera | annma: i "export ..." and then i try to find it. it is never there. when in icewm, it is always there. |
| 07:41.26 | annma | vnegera: gentoo as well? |
| 07:41.37 | annma | vnegera: this is shell stuff |
| 07:41.43 | annma | KDE has nothing to do with it |
| 07:41.49 | annma | what you export is set |
| 07:41.50 | plazm | seamed to fix the problem. Thanks |
| 07:41.55 | _-InFeRnO-_ | "pkg_info kdelibs-3.5.4 | grep kde-config" |
| 07:42.00 | _-InFeRnO-_ | outputs nothing |
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| 07:42.06 | annma | if not, you export badly vnegera |
| 07:42.09 | Renze | vnegera: "export" is for that shell session only... if you want it set for the KDE session, you need to put it in your startup |
| 07:42.14 | _-InFeRnO-_ | wait |
| 07:42.24 | vnegera | annma: i am very glad to hear this, now i feel i am one step away from the solution; now then, how do you explain this behaviour? |
| 07:42.32 | annma | vnegera: to get the export every time put it in your .bashrc |
| 07:42.42 | annma | session only, vnegera |
| 07:42.49 | annma | this is shell stuff, not kde |
| 07:42.53 | vnegera | annma: also, as soon as i open a konsole in icewm, i cannot export this variable even in xterm |
| 07:43.01 | annma | put your var in .bashrc |
| 07:43.02 | vnegera | annma: no |
| 07:43.08 | Renze | ah, newbies... :) |
| 07:43.15 | annma | vnegera: yes |
| 07:43.23 | Renze | vnegera: annma is right |
| 07:43.33 | annma | why cannpt you export it? what does it say? |
| 07:43.39 | annma | explain better vnegera |
| 07:43.44 | annma | paste output |
| 07:43.56 | _-InFeRnO-_ | erm, not everyone has bash |
| 07:44.05 | annma | [kde4@d43v30b1 build]$ export MYANNMAVAR=blah |
| 07:44.05 | annma | [kde4@d43v30b1 build]$ |
| 07:44.17 | annma | MYANNMAVAR is set for this shell session |
| 07:44.35 | annma | other shell users will translate the command, -InFeRnO- |
| 07:44.47 | annma | i use bash as generic explanation |
| 07:44.48 | Renze | _-InFeRnO-_: sh is usually a symlink to bash :) |
| 07:44.55 | _-InFeRnO-_ | in FreeBSD it's not |
| 07:45.04 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it's the classic Bourne Shell |
| 07:45.09 | annma | vnegera: see what I wrote with my export and explain your problem the same way |
| 07:45.16 | _-InFeRnO-_ | and bash is /usr/local/bin/bash3 |
| 07:46.30 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ahem. All the stuff belongs to some obscure KDE config file. |
| 07:46.31 | vnegera | btw, what does it mean when my "set" shows me A LOT of output, the largest part of which starts with "_ImageMagick ()" and then a lot of lines of code? |
| 07:46.36 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Search ~/.kde |
| 07:46.51 | Renze | vnegera: that's a function |
| 07:47.12 | plazm | annma, when i've done a ./configure and starts "make" i get make: *** No rule to make target `/config.status', needed by `/Makefile'. Stop. But the config.status file is there |
| 07:47.29 | annma | plazm: make -f Makefile.cvs |
| 07:47.48 | annma | plazm: what do you compile? explain please otherwise we won't find what's going on |
| 07:47.51 | Renze | plazm: this isn't really the place for "how do I build stuff?" :D |
| 07:48.01 | annma | Renze: it is |
| 07:48.08 | _-InFeRnO-_ | take screens of plasma please |
| 07:48.11 | annma | it is if the user explain what he does |
| 07:48.28 | annma | plazm: what is it you are trying to build? |
| 07:48.37 | _-InFeRnO-_ | I'm under impression |
| 07:48.45 | plazm | annma kconfigeditor |
| 07:48.49 | vnegera | annma, Renze: as long as same works in xterm, doesn't mean konsole is the problem, for one? |
| 07:48.51 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ... nvm |
| 07:48.51 | annma | what sources? |
| 07:48.53 | vnegera | doesn't mean = doesn't it mean |
| 07:48.58 | vnegera | annma, Renze: i don't think there's any explanation simpler than this one: i can't even export once; if i "export ..." i simply can't find the variable within the output of set or env. |
| 07:48.59 | annma | plazm: where did you get the source? |
| 07:49.03 | vnegera | annma, Renze: this happens only in konsole on icewm or in both konsole and xterm on kde. |
| 07:49.14 | Renze | vnegera: um, konsole is just a container app for bash... it doesn't influence it in any way |
| 07:49.16 | annma | vnegera: please paste the export output!!!! |
| 07:49.20 | plazm | http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kconfigeditor/ |
| 07:49.34 | Renze | vnegera: I think this is a pebkac error |
| 07:49.43 | _-InFeRnO-_ | I WANT THIS APP |
| 07:50.07 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Before, I have removed some stuff from KDE config files by hand |
| 07:50.30 | vnegera | Renze: why do i have that function there?! |
| 07:50.32 | annma | plazm: so what did you do? |
| 07:50.39 | _-InFeRnO-_ | damn. It's not in ports |
| 07:50.42 | Renze | vnegera: because one of your startup scripts has defined it |
| 07:51.00 | vnegera | Renze: ... especially ImageMagick?!? |
| 07:51.04 | Renze | vnegera: you're very new to linux, aren't you? |
| 07:51.16 | plazm | annma i extracted the file, and entered it. As normal user i did a ./configure which went great, and i switched to superuser and wrote "make" |
| 07:51.25 | Renze | vnegera: why are you worried about irrelevancies? |
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| 07:51.30 | annma | no need to be root fo rmake |
| 07:51.31 | vnegera | Renze: and how do i get rid of that function? |
| 07:51.38 | Renze | vnegera: why would you want to? |
| 07:51.41 | annma | ./configure with --prefix? |
| 07:51.52 | plazm | annma yes, sorry |
| 07:51.56 | _-InFeRnO-_ | wait ./configure `kde-config --prefix` |
| 07:52.03 | _-InFeRnO-_ | no |
| 07:52.09 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ./configure --prefix `kde-config --prefix` |
| 07:52.17 | annma | plazm: the package is broken |
| 07:52.26 | annma | let me see if i can fix it |
| 07:52.56 | _-InFeRnO-_ | downloading... |
| 07:53.02 | vnegera | Renze: or distro error |
| 07:53.06 | _-InFeRnO-_ | I'm interested |
| 07:53.07 | vnegera | Renze: it happens on a live cd session too |
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| 07:53.20 | Renze | vnegera: what distro? |
| 07:53.24 | vnegera | Renze: it can't be a pebkac. the only thing pebkac is doing is insert the cd and wait for konsole and then type set and return. |
| 07:53.26 | annma | vnegera: nice to explain that now |
| 07:53.32 | plazm | annma, okay thanks |
| 07:53.40 | annma | vnegera: you could have mentionned the Live CD before |
| 07:53.43 | Renze | vnegera: why are you worried about functions that have nothing to do with you? |
| 07:53.45 | vnegera | Renze: pebkac is passive therefore |
| 07:53.54 | Renze | vnegera: you're worried about nothing at all |
| 07:53.58 | vnegera | Renze: ergo pebkac is unguilty |
| 07:54.07 | vnegera | Renze: not at all |
| 07:54.12 | vnegera | Renze: why would i seem to be new to gnu/linux? |
| 07:54.13 | Renze | vnegera: what exactly are you having a problem with? I've lost track completely |
| 07:54.24 | Renze | vnegera: because you don't seem to know much about it at all |
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| 07:54.49 | annma | Renze: he is on a live CD, maybe it's a permission problem |
| 07:54.59 | Renze | annma: probably |
| 07:55.04 | vnegera | Renze: is it irrelevant that i have that huge stupid function loade in every session and not even have an idea why? |
| 07:55.06 | vnegera | loaded |
| 07:55.09 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Good - your configure finished. Start make now |
| 07:55.09 | _-InFeRnO-_ | [root@ ~/Desktop/cxfd/kconfigeditor-0.9.6]# make |
| 07:55.09 | _-InFeRnO-_ | make: don't know how to make /config.status. Stop |
| 07:55.26 | Renze | vnegera: it is irrelevant that you're worrying about a function that your distro has defined for a reason |
| 07:55.30 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Ahem, sounds like some idiot played with the makefile |
| 07:55.36 | annma | this KCpnfigEditor package is broken |
| 07:55.40 | annma | it wants unsermake |
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| 07:56.16 | annma | send a mailo to the author plazm |
| 07:56.26 | plazm | okay. |
| 07:56.28 | Renze | doe snot? nasal expellation from a female deer? :D |
| 07:56.36 | annma | lol |
| 07:56.59 | Renze | sorry, couldn't resist :D |
| 07:57.02 | annma | my keyboard does not stick the letters! |
| 07:57.06 | annma | what can I do? |
| 07:57.07 | vnegera | Renze: look. that function is huge. i have to wait for more than one minute until it finishes loading in the console (when running set). i am wondering: what if this were yet another reason why my athlon64 is so damn slow? |
| 07:57.31 | annma | vnegera: damn! what distro is that? why don't you answer questions? |
| 07:57.32 | vnegera | Renze: this is a relevant question to me. plus i don't even USE Imagemagick |
| 07:57.40 | Renze | vnegera: then go complain in your distro channel, it's nothing to do with KDE |
| 07:57.46 | annma | yeah, nothing |
| 07:57.52 | vnegera | Renze: so it is rather imagemagick that is irrelevant (to me) :) and needs to be eliminated. |
| 07:57.58 | annma | besides you don't give the relevant details vnegera |
| 07:58.06 | Renze | vnegera: off topic... go to #yourdistro |
| 07:58.06 | annma | so eliminate oit! |
| 07:58.08 | _-InFeRnO-_ | lol, rtfm, stfu ;) |
| 07:58.20 | annma | vnegera: eliminate your thing and stop |
| 07:58.21 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ImageMagick is quite required |
| 07:58.21 | Renze | omgwtfbbq! |
| 07:58.23 | _-InFeRnO-_ | by Koffice |
| 07:58.30 | _-InFeRnO-_ | and other packages |
| 07:58.49 | plazm | annma, is it possible to make it with unsermake? |
| 07:58.57 | _-InFeRnO-_ | what is this? |
| 07:58.59 | annma | plazm: i don't have unsermake |
| 07:59.05 | annma | you can try |
| 07:59.10 | _-InFeRnO-_ | wtf = unsermake ? |
| 07:59.19 | Renze | alternative build system |
| 07:59.25 | _-InFeRnO-_ | danke |
| 07:59.27 | annma | was used for kde3 a bit |
| 07:59.34 | annma | is not used for kde4 |
| 07:59.46 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Cmake is for 4, no? |
| 07:59.50 | annma | yes |
| 07:59.52 | Renze | oui |
| 07:59.57 | annma | gotta go for a while |
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| 08:02.24 | vnegera | annma, Renze: i just got your replies, they all got here at the same time, plus other channel traffic (my window was filled instantly). this means lag. i am sorry. |
| 08:04.03 | _-InFeRnO-_ | too late |
| 08:04.13 | benJIman | Renze: nothing, but looks like it's written in python, so what do you expect. |
| 08:04.38 | Renze | benJIman|work: if you say so *wink*wink* :D |
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| 08:38.06 | andriijas | is it possible to enable some kind of remote desktop thing in kde remotly via ssh? |
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| 08:39.45 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 08:39.51 | andriijas | how ? =D |
| 08:39.56 | _-InFeRnO-_ | you can even have X through SSH |
| 08:40.11 | _-InFeRnO-_ | you can tunnel apps through SSH |
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| 08:40.34 | andriijas | but i need to install stuff on the computer ssh:ing from then? |
| 08:40.40 | andriijas | i only have putty available |
| 08:41.01 | _-InFeRnO-_ | SFTP to upload to them, then SSH to do all stuff with your uploads |
| 08:41.27 | andriijas | thats not what i need to do |
| 08:41.41 | andriijas | i need to do something with a running app i kde |
| 08:41.45 | andriijas | on my computer at home |
| 08:41.58 | _-InFeRnO-_ | The app will be running where? |
| 08:42.01 | andriijas | so i would like to access it with remote desktop client or something |
| 08:42.06 | andriijas | it is already running at home |
| 08:42.07 | _-InFeRnO-_ | You can tunnel it through SSH. |
| 08:42.08 | Renze | you could try rdesktop or vnc |
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| 08:42.22 | _-InFeRnO-_ | so they will run it |
| 08:42.29 | Renze | _-InFeRnO-_: um, I think he's using windows |
| 08:42.39 | andriijas | computer at home = kde with a running app that i need to access, computer at work: some shitty ms windows xp box |
| 08:42.53 | Renze | "putty" was an enormous clue |
| 08:43.29 | andriijas | Renze: =D |
| 08:43.34 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Since when Windows comes with X |
| 08:43.36 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ?? |
| 08:43.39 | Renze | it doesn't |
| 08:43.45 | Renze | therein lies the problem |
| 08:43.46 | andriijas | you are so missunderstanding |
| 08:44.20 | andriijas | so back to square one, is thera remote desktop daemon or something in kde? |
| 08:44.27 | Renze | andriijas: I think rdesktop or vnc are the only two options available to you, but it requires that you have the krfb setup on your home machine |
| 08:44.30 | _-InFeRnO-_ | KRDC? |
| 08:44.51 | andriijas | Renze: can i setup krfb via the console? |
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| 08:45.00 | Renze | andriijas: I have no idea... let me check |
| 08:45.03 | _-InFeRnO-_ | everything can be done via console |
| 08:45.09 | andriijas | hehe true |
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| 08:45.38 | Renze | not this, I'm afraid... maybe some other vnc server? |
| 08:45.53 | Renze | it's not something I've ever had to do, so I'm sketchy on the details |
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| 08:47.51 | andriijas | Renze, _-InFeRnO-_ thx for the help |
| 08:47.56 | Renze | no problem |
| 08:48.21 | _-InFeRnO-_ | that's there is this chanel ;) |
| 08:51.50 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Oh. A question. |
| 08:52.02 | _-InFeRnO-_ | So, if the KDE logo is trademarked |
| 08:52.18 | _-InFeRnO-_ | is the LGPL a copyright, a trademark or a license of both? |
| 08:52.27 | Renze | the LGPL is a license |
| 08:52.33 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 08:52.48 | _-InFeRnO-_ | but it says that the KDE logo is LGPL. |
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| 08:52.48 | Renze | it is not a copyright or a trademark |
| 08:52.55 | _-InFeRnO-_ | And it's a trademark of KDE e.V |
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| 08:53.05 | Renze | then it is trademarked |
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| 08:53.23 | _-InFeRnO-_ | and does the LGPL apply as a trademark license, or not? |
| 08:53.43 | Renze | no, the LGPL applies as a license, and the trademark applies as a trademark |
| 08:54.07 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes, but the trademark, in the same way as copyright can be licensed. |
| 08:54.23 | Renze | neither a trademark or a copyright is a license |
| 08:54.32 | Renze | they are just what they are |
| 08:55.49 | andriijas | whats the commando to see what stuff listens to what network ports on my localmachine? |
| 08:56.14 | andriijas | eg if i run krfb_httpd how do i know wich port it listens to? |
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| 08:56.38 | Renze | port 5800 |
| 08:56.50 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ? |
| 08:56.51 | Renze | 5800 for vnc-http and 5900 for vnc |
| 08:57.18 | Renze | I just ran nmap localhost :D |
| 08:57.34 | _-InFeRnO-_ | no |
| 08:57.36 | SAngeli | is there a way to be able to block specific flash animations? It seems that now advertisements moved toward flash so that people cannot block them. Any idea? |
| 08:57.40 | _-InFeRnO-_ | http is port 80 |
| 08:57.54 | Renze | _-InFeRnO-_: he asked for vnc-http, not http |
| 08:58.15 | _-InFeRnO-_ | what's the difference in the ports |
| 08:58.30 | _-InFeRnO-_ | that's why its |
| 08:58.34 | _-InFeRnO-_ | vnc-http |
| 08:58.35 | Renze | _-InFeRnO-_: httpd is already running on port 80... vnc-httpd needs another port |
| 08:58.50 | _-InFeRnO-_ | and if someone doesn't run httpd at boot? |
| 08:59.11 | Renze | vnc-http will still use port 5800, because that's the port it is supposed to use |
| 08:59.20 | Renze | port 80 is reserved |
| 08:59.49 | Renze | independent thought seems to be a rare commodity these days |
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| 09:04.15 | andriijas | Renze: i have a 3rd party vnc server now |
| 09:04.21 | Renze | ok |
| 09:04.22 | andriijas | but it defaults to a console |
| 09:04.33 | andriijas | i need to make the daemon use the kde tty or something |
| 09:04.48 | Renze | you're on your own, I'm afraid |
| 09:06.51 | Renze | another option is installing nxserver on your home machine and nxclient on winblows |
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| 09:07.32 | tuxick | bah, kmail crashed again |
| 09:07.37 | tuxick | it's at over once a day |
| 09:07.49 | tuxick | when simply deleting mail |
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| 09:11.28 | AegeanLinux | Renze: Chris fixed the QtCurve issue! YAY! |
| 09:11.40 | Renze | what QtCurve issue? ;) |
| 09:11.56 | AegeanLinux | My (and 20 other people's) QtCurve issue |
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| 09:12.26 | AegeanLinux | without having qpixmap |
| 09:12.30 | Renze | only 20? that's not an issue... that's a hiccup :D |
| 09:12.43 | AegeanLinux | 20 in a day ? |
| 09:12.53 | AegeanLinux | I don't know how many people use QtCurve though ... |
| 09:12.54 | Renze | it built for me first try :D |
| 09:13.12 | AegeanLinux | It built for me after I compiled 2 things too :/ |
| 09:13.27 | AegeanLinux | But I should not have had to do that :) |
| 09:13.30 | Renze | I thought it was qembed, not qpixmap |
| 09:13.37 | AegeanLinux | That one ^^ |
| 09:13.37 | AegeanLinux | :) |
| 09:13.47 | AegeanLinux | Close enough though Renze :) |
| 09:13.57 | Renze | it's not his fault that 20 people had incorrect Qt installations :D |
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| 09:14.54 | RockMan | ciao |
| 09:15.06 | AegeanLinux | Renze: Argh! |
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| 09:16.31 | Renze | tree of pino |
| 09:17.16 | AegeanLinux | all hail Mr. Op! |
| 09:18.02 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ZOMFGWTFBBQROTFMLMAO |
| 09:18.20 | pinotree | :P |
| 09:18.23 | _-InFeRnO-_ | xyzzy |
| 09:18.50 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Wait. |
| 09:19.02 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Xyzzy is a cool name for a X server |
| 09:19.43 | Renze | I'd call one Yggdrasil... the eight-legged steed of Odin (one hell of a workhorse) |
| 09:19.58 | _-InFeRnO-_ | not that |
| 09:20.16 | _-InFeRnO-_ | you know of Yggdrasil the linux distribution |
| 09:20.19 | _-InFeRnO-_ | ? |
| 09:20.42 | Renze | yes |
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| 09:24.24 | eae | hi, how can I set a script to execute whenever I lock the session? |
| 09:24.52 | _-InFeRnO-_ | A good question. |
| 09:25.01 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Send this in the wishlist |
| 09:27.20 | PhilRod | create a script that does what you want, then runs the dcop command to lock the session. Bind that script to some key you like |
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| 09:29.26 | PhilRod | dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock |
| 09:29.33 | PhilRod | that's the dcop command to lock the session |
| 09:29.37 | PhilRod | eae: hope that help |
| 09:29.39 | PhilRod | helps* |
| 09:30.02 | eae | yep, thanks |
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| 09:33.02 | PhilRod | I don't think you could change the menu item though - you'd have to do it via a keybinding |
| 09:35.55 | _-InFeRnO-_ | bye |
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| 09:46.01 | eae | PhilRod, that was nice but now I need a way to execute a script when I unlock the session ^__^ |
| 09:46.15 | eae | which is not possible this way :P |
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| 09:49.28 | PhilRod | hrm, I can't think of a way to do that offhand |
| 09:49.59 | eae | kopete does somethink like that |
| 09:50.19 | eae | puts you away when you lock, and available when you unlock |
| 09:50.22 | PhilRod | you could have your locking script ask dcop once a second whether the screensaver is enabled |
| 09:50.23 | eae | PhilRod, ^ |
| 09:50.39 | eae | ah |
| 09:50.39 | PhilRod | oh, best go and ask in #kopete how they do it :-) |
| 09:51.05 | PhilRod | they might use DCOP signals though |
| 09:51.24 | PhilRod | which I don't think you can use in a bash script (you'd need a scripting language with DCOP bindings) |
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| 10:06.56 | eae | PhilRod, how can I ask dcop whether the screensaver is enabled |
| 10:06.58 | eae | ? |
| 10:07.13 | pinotree | eae: simple way: open kdcop and look around |
| 10:07.47 | eae | yeah that's what I' m foing but nothing seems to do that :/ |
| 10:07.58 | eae | doing^ |
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| 10:11.13 | PhilRod | ps aux | grep kscreensaver | grep -v grep |
| 10:11.18 | PhilRod | perhaps, I'm not sure |
| 10:11.56 | PhilRod | I can't immediately see a dcop way to do it |
| 10:14.58 | qupada | eae: well given 'killall kdesktop_lock' will stop the screensaver, i would assume 'ps aux | grep kdesktop_lock' works |
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| 10:48.31 | xushi | what is kde's prefered svn package ? |
| 10:48.48 | _annma | prefered? |
| 10:49.16 | xushi | i mean kde's own svn app |
| 10:49.36 | Renze | kdesvn? |
| 10:49.43 | xushi | is it? thanks |
| 10:49.50 | Renze | dunno, never used it :D |
| 10:49.53 | annma | a script to get svn you mean? |
| 10:49.58 | annma | or a GUI svn app? |
| 10:50.07 | xushi | gui svn app, yes |
| 10:50.14 | xushi | like smartsvn |
| 10:50.25 | annma | we don't use one |
| 10:50.32 | annma | there is one on kde-apps.org |
| 10:50.39 | qupada | esvn works too iirc |
| 10:50.42 | benJIman|work | there is something that integrates with konqueror |
| 10:50.46 | annma | but kde developers don't use it |
| 10:50.53 | xushi | you wouldn't recommend kdesvn ? |
| 10:51.06 | annma | i just say we don't use a GUI app |
| 10:51.13 | annma | we just type commands in konsole |
| 10:51.13 | qupada | i recommend the command line |
| 10:51.14 | Renze | real devels don't need a gui :D |
| 10:51.23 | xushi | yea well gui is easier for my eyes |
| 10:51.37 | annma | we never used cervisia as well when we had vcs |
| 10:51.39 | annma | cvs |
| 10:52.02 | xushi | devs/programmers should be judged by the work they produce, not whatever app gui or none they use :) |
| 10:52.16 | annma | of course we are |
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| 10:52.35 | xushi | hehe nah, its just that gui really helps my eyes (< dyslexic) |
| 10:52.40 | annma | i answered your question about kde preferered svn app: none |
| 10:52.59 | xushi | i use smartsvn, but i don't like their licensing anymore, that's why i'm trying to find a good alternative |
| 10:53.13 | qupada | xushi: i don't think that's really it. you also have to consider the size of the repo in question (the kde repo is, of course, massive) and consequently if the gui is going to cause a major slowdown in processing it |
| 10:53.26 | xushi | very true |
| 10:53.41 | annma | a gui svn app is just a frontend |
| 10:53.55 | annma | you click on a button instead of typing svn up |
| 10:54.25 | xushi | yes, but it's better for my eyes |
| 10:55.00 | annma | try kde-svn but i would not be sure it's advanced |
| 10:55.10 | xushi | i'm wondering about rapidsvn |
| 10:55.17 | qupada | i tried both esvn and kdesvn, both of them seemed slower than the command line for even a comparitively small repo. maybe it's just because while it scans the working copy for changed files, the whole application appears to freeze |
| 10:56.45 | qupada | and we all know the perception of how it works is as important as how well it actually does work |
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| 10:57.53 | WerdnaDesktop | hi all |
| 10:58.01 | WerdnaDesktop | uh, am I on crack for wanting Kopete for windows? |
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| 10:59.06 | PhilRod | if you're forced to use windows, I suppose anything that makes it less painful is a good thing |
| 10:59.13 | WerdnaDesktop | PhilRod, ;-) |
| 10:59.20 | WerdnaDesktop | I hate that no games work on kubuntu |
| 10:59.27 | WerdnaDesktop | bloody pain in the ass. |
| 10:59.39 | WerdnaDesktop | I'd switch completely if it weren't for the games. |
| 10:59.43 | PhilRod | install kdegames :-) |
| 10:59.55 | WerdnaDesktop | I'm talking Deus Ex, TA Spring, &c |
| 11:00.17 | PhilRod | TA spring is availble for linux, isn't it? |
| 11:00.20 | xushi | hmm, i got quake3, doom3, ut2k4, d2, etc.. running smoothly here |
| 11:00.40 | WerdnaDesktop | PhilRod, yes, but I can't play against my mates. |
| 11:00.42 | xushi | had* ... no time for games anymore |
| 11:00.56 | qupada | only game i really miss is Thief Deafdly Shadows. it shares its rendering engine with one of the Deus Ex series, cedega has no idea what to do with it |
| 11:01.14 | WerdnaDesktop | because TA Spring has 1. No lobby under Linux, and 2. No xplatform play |
| 11:01.21 | WerdnaDesktop | I'm impressed that Kopete does MSN webcams. |
| 11:01.36 | WerdnaDesktop | that's pretty sweet, although it'd be nice if they didn't insist on sticking it in a separate window. |
| 11:01.43 | xushi | i wonder when the time will be when we can run these games under vmware |
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| 11:01.55 | WerdnaDesktop | speaking of Deus Ex |
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| 11:02.44 | jc-denton | lol |
| 11:02.45 | jc-denton | :)) |
| 11:02.46 | PhilRod | WerdnaDesktop: anyway, to pull the discussion vaguely back on topic - KDE 4 will, in some shape or form, be available for windows, so you might well be able to run kopete in windows |
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| 11:03.15 | PhilRod | and please, let's not go over the arguments for and against again. They're boring now :-) |
| 11:03.19 | WerdnaDesktop | PhilRod, wow. |
| 11:03.24 | WerdnaDesktop | PhilRod, that's good. |
| 11:03.35 | xushi | how will this be? will it be a complete replacement to explorer.exe? or an extension, like .. err.. windowblinds |
| 11:03.58 | WerdnaDesktop | but there's no current Kopete port to windows? |
| 11:04.14 | WerdnaDesktop | I wish there was another MSN alternative that worked with webcams... preferably an XMPP service. |
| 11:05.55 | xushi | WerdnaDesktop: didn't amsn support webcams too ? |
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| 11:06.41 | xushi | it claims it does in its features page |
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| 11:08.06 | WerdnaDesktop | xushi, amsn, eh? |
| 11:08.16 | xushi | http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:08.42 | WerdnaDesktop | xushi, got it already |
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| 11:09.03 | jc-denton | what is kde4 btw |
| 11:09.10 | WerdnaDesktop | what I'd REALLY like is to be able to run msn with webcam and all that stuff over Jabber. |
| 11:09.11 | jc-denton | is it just porting the kdelibs to qt4 |
| 11:09.18 | jc-denton | or what will be new too? |
| 11:10.13 | kdedev | jc-denton: I think you should read some of the project websites: plasma.kde.org, solid.kde.org, phonon.kde.org |
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| 11:11.21 | Darkrazor | jc-denton: First of course everything needs to be ported to qt4. And when the time is ready projects like plasma could start... |
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| 11:19.49 | jc-denton | ok |
| 11:20.07 | jc-denton | but as far as i understand the usability experience should change dramatically in kde 4? |
| 11:20.07 | PhilRod | xushi: afaik they're concentrating on getting "end-user" apps like kmail etc working, rather than the "desktop" |
| 11:20.17 | jc-denton | thx4info |
| 11:20.21 | PhilRod | xushi: but please don't quote me on that - I'm not entirely sure |
| 11:20.54 | PhinnFort | how can i make kate open files in an already existing window when I open them in konqueror? |
| 11:21.15 | Darkrazor | jc-denton: I do not know exactly about the usabilty (i'm not at Akademy :( ), but I think it will indeed.. You should check that with the usability guys (does someone else here know?) |
| 11:21.18 | PhilRod | jc-denton: hard to say exactly. There *will* be many improvements and changes, but at the moment many things are still in design stage, so it's not really possible to say what KDE 4 will be like |
| 11:21.35 | PhilRod | s/like/like in everyday use/ |
| 11:21.45 | PhilRod | grr |
| 11:21.53 | funkyou | PhinnFort: i just drag them into the kate window |
| 11:22.02 | PhilRod | but yes, usability will be involved from the start in many things |
| 11:22.15 | PhilRod | PhinnFort: change the file association to kate -u |
| 11:22.24 | PhinnFort | PhilRod: thanks a lot |
| 11:22.25 | PhinnFort | :) |
| 11:22.29 | Darkrazor | Isn't there not some wiki entry about usability efforts? |
| 11:23.44 | jc-denton | i would like alt-f2 replaced with a katapult that is comparable to quicksilver on osx |
| 11:23.52 | jc-denton | and a pmi that works.. :( |
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| 11:26.48 | jc-denton | PhilRod, Darkrazor but there is already a kde4-concept or something like this? |
| 11:27.21 | Darkrazor | I really don't know... But I think it does... |
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| 11:28.38 | annma | jc-denton: make you wish through bugs.kde.org or through a wiki page |
| 11:28.56 | PhilRod | we really need a "KDE 4 faq" |
| 11:29.03 | PhilRod | hrm, maybe there's one on the wiki |
| 11:29.33 | Darkrazor | PhilRod: Already looked for it ages but no much kde4 information for the general outsider.. Perhaps we should make one indeed.. |
| 11:29.34 | PhilRod | jc-denton: there's a snapshot release of kdelibs, which shows application developers where the libraries are going |
| 11:30.13 | PhilRod | Darkrazor: hrm - I did start writing one, but it only got as far as a template (I think the question was "Bla?" and the answer "Bla") |
| 11:30.36 | PhilRod | Darkrazor: the main issue with such a document is keeping it up-to-date |
| 11:30.55 | jc-denton | a kde4 preview live cd would be nice |
| 11:31.21 | Darkrazor | PhilRod: hehe.. Well, perhaps we should split up the tasks |
| 11:31.43 | Darkrazor | jc-denton: There is really nothing interesting (well, visually then) to see on the current stage of kde 4 |
| 11:32.05 | PhilRod | jc-denton: I expect there will be one, when there's something to see (probably next year) |
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| 11:32.29 | PhilRod | Darkrazor: do you have time to work on it now? |
| 11:33.22 | jc-denton | ok |
| 11:33.32 | Darkrazor | PhilRod: You mean if i'm working on kde-devel right now? I'm still a newbie dev. so not much programming. But yes I'm running kde4 (trunk) code.. But it's just kde 3.5 but really unstable (except for the big changes in the code) |
| 11:35.19 | PhilRod | I meant do you have time to work on a "KDE4 faq" document now |
| 11:35.29 | PhilRod | or at least discuss what content to put in it |
| 11:36.14 | Darkrazor | PhilRod: For today I have some (sorry, was confused by another conversation on #kde4-devel) |
| 11:37.18 | Darkrazor | PhilRod: But I also need some help I guess, because I do not know all the answers.. But I think that adding screenshots would be nice, because everyone expects to see brand new things.. And brightening up some things would be cool I guess |
| 11:40.34 | jc-denton | humm |
| 11:41.18 | PhilRod | Darkrazor: cool - I have some time too. Shall we discuss in #kde-docs? |
| 11:41.58 | Darkrazor | PhilRod: Okay! I already have shots btw, a small 5MB full of it :P |
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| 11:45.51 | DrCurl | hi |
| 11:47.31 | DrCurl | is there an easy way to have reverse color in kate editing section? It's a big pain to have to go through all the color settings and changing them one by one cause I prefer to not code on a lightbulb... |
| 11:48.19 | PhilRod | DrCurl: maybe by changing the KDE colours globally |
| 11:49.49 | PhilRod | can|nothere: ping |
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| 11:50.25 | DrCurl | PhilRod, hmmm, yeah, I think there are a couple of colorscheme that would work... |
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| 12:08.50 | xushi | thanks PhilRod. |
| 12:08.59 | xushi | it's good to see the proceess |
| 12:09.01 | xushi | process |
| 12:09.02 | xushi | .. |
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| 12:25.59 | Sugarat | When I login to KDE all of the icons that should be on the kicker bar seem to end up in their own little window, and don't then migrate to the bar when it loads |
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| 12:29.03 | PhilRod | Sugarat: do you mean system tray icons? |
| 12:29.14 | Sugarat | Yep |
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| 12:41.05 | torindel | anyone might want to tell me why kde wants to make gtk apps suffer when "Apply colors to non KDE aplications" is on by applying some wierd "PRELIGHT" values? |
| 12:41.14 | BootedCat | my main working environment is a Windows XP. is it possible that i install a linux distro on one partition and a VMWare in that distro and run my existing windows from that vmware? |
| 12:43.10 | torindel | BootedCat: you want to switch to linux and run windows from vmware? |
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| 12:56.43 | thiago | torindel: because KDE doesn't know gtk very well. Don't choose that option. |
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| 13:05.28 | biohazrd | is there a specific package in gentoo that would keep the screensaver from being selectable in the control panel? I rebuild kscreensaver, which did not help. |
| 13:05.41 | biohazrd | rebuilt.. |
| 13:06.49 | thiago | the screensavers are listed, but you can't select them? |
| 13:07.07 | biohazrd | no, cant even access them |
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| 13:07.33 | biohazrd | just brings up a window within that has all the other appearance options |
| 13:07.54 | biohazrd | its like kscreensaver was even installed |
| 13:07.56 | biohazrd | but it is |
| 13:08.46 | thiago | Appearance & Themes, Screen Saver |
| 13:09.01 | biohazrd | yah |
| 13:09.06 | biohazrd | one sec i will take a screen shot |
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| 13:10.35 | biohazrd | http://www.blackbusa.net/files/RFG6.png |
| 13:10.53 | biohazrd | everytime i click on the screensaver option, it only shows that menu |
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| 13:11.48 | thiago | then it's not being able to load the module |
| 13:12.35 | biohazrd | yup |
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| 13:17.32 | roxy_ | how do I change the application in the system tray at startup ? |
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| 13:19.43 | thiago | roxy_: which application? |
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| 13:19.56 | biohazrd | thiago any ideas? |
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| 13:20.15 | thiago | biohazrd: well, fix your library |
| 13:20.16 | thiago | it's broken |
| 13:20.25 | biohazrd | which lib is it tho? |
| 13:20.28 | roxy_ | thiago: scim and appointment/agenda |
| 13:20.32 | thiago | your ~/.xsession-errors may have hints. Or run kcontrol from a shell. |
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| 13:20.46 | thiago | roxy_: I have no idea about scim. It's not KDE. |
| 13:20.54 | biohazrd | i have rebuilt the kscreensaver app, and am rebuilding kicker and klipper right now |
| 13:20.55 | thiago | roxy_: I assume you mean KOrganizer for the other one. |
| 13:21.00 | thiago | roxy_: what do you want to change on it? |
| 13:21.21 | thiago | biohazrd: you could try to rebuild MySQL that way: kicker and klipper are completely unrelated :-) |
| 13:21.25 | PhinnFort | roxy_: try typing ~/.kde/Autostart in alt+f2 |
| 13:21.26 | roxy_ | thiago: s/scim/skim . I just don't want them in system tray at start up. |
| 13:21.48 | PhinnFort | roxy_: should get you to the folder with the programs that get started when you start kde |
| 13:21.49 | biohazrd | iono wtf they but i recall one of them got borked before |
| 13:21.49 | thiago | biohazrd: are there any relevant errors from running kcontrol in a shell? |
| 13:22.26 | mattepiu | any news about some kind of patch to make superkaramba working fine with compiz/beryl? |
| 13:22.40 | biohazrd | no output |
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| 13:23.04 | PhilRod | biohazrd: are you using the split ebuilds? |
| 13:23.36 | biohazrd | kdebase-meta if i recall |
| 13:24.07 | mattepiu | biohazrd: same as me.... what's the issue, specifically? |
| 13:24.22 | biohazrd | the module for screensaver wont load |
| 13:24.56 | biohazrd | i have rebuilt kscreensaver already, but it didnt fix it |
| 13:25.03 | mattepiu | uh, module? |
| 13:25.05 | roxy_ | PhinnFort: .kde/Autostart is a directory says alt+F |
| 13:25.32 | biohazrd | http://www.blackbusa.net/files/RFG6.png |
| 13:25.42 | PhinnFort | roxy_: did you press "CTRL+F2", and type it in? |
| 13:26.00 | PhinnFort | if not, just open up your home folder, turn on showing of hidden files, and enter the folder ".kde" |
| 13:26.02 | biohazrd | if i choose screensaver from the control center, that appearance & theme list is all that shows |
| 13:26.53 | mattepiu | biohazrd: but rightclicking the desktop doesn't works? |
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| 13:27.13 | biohazrd | oh that gave me more info |
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| 13:27.31 | biohazrd | libGLcore.so.1 not found |
| 13:27.42 | vipw | hello |
| 13:27.42 | biohazrd | maybe reinstall nvidia-drivers |
| 13:27.43 | mattepiu | which graphical drivers are you using? |
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| 13:27.52 | mattepiu | yep, think so, but wait |
| 13:27.55 | vipw | is it possible to execute some app thru dcop? |
| 13:28.04 | mattepiu | eselesct opengl list |
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| 13:28.37 | vipw | dcop kdesktop default popupExecuteCommand(QString command) is too interactive |
| 13:28.38 | mattepiu | biohazrd: eselect opengl list |
| 13:28.51 | biohazrd | well crap how did that get changed back to xorg |
| 13:29.03 | mattepiu | :-P easy issue |
| 13:29.26 | thiago | vipw: yes, it is |
| 13:29.30 | thiago | vipw: dcop klauncher |
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| 13:29.57 | biohazrd | that fixed it |
| 13:30.26 | biohazrd | thx |
| 13:30.26 | mattepiu | ok, fine, np |
| 13:30.37 | biohazrd | ok off to work :) |
| 13:30.59 | mattepiu | nobody knows where to get patch for superkaramba to work in compiz? |
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| 13:31.11 | thiago | vipw: please ask what you want to do, not how to do it with <insert-tool-name> |
| 13:31.23 | thiago | mattepiu: compiz is not supported. Period. |
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| 13:32.03 | mattepiu | thiago: that's not wath's writed here: http://commit-digest.org/issues/latest/ |
| 13:32.24 | mattepiu | *what's |
| 13:32.58 | vipw | thiago: but when i want to exec sth with dcop, should i ask about other tools? (i know, there's su, DISPLAY=:0, etc, but want it from dcop) |
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| 13:33.44 | vipw | thiago: the only thing which bothers me is how to pass qstringlist in shell |
| 13:33.51 | thiago | vipw: why do you want to exec something *with* DCOP? |
| 13:34.08 | thiago | vipw: suppose I give you a better way that doesn't involve DCOP, would that suit your purposes? |
| 13:34.29 | thiago | mattepiu: "Compiz support for the minipager. Its still buggy, but I better commit it now to coordinate and not loose it again when I again accidentally format my hard disk." |
| 13:34.36 | thiago | mattepiu: buggy. Use at your own risk. |
| 13:35.14 | vipw | thiago: i've got some kind of "media keys", and till now i've was starting apps from acpid using DISPLAY=:0 and su - user, but when I do this, i've got default Xorg cursor theme |
| 13:35.23 | thiago | mattepiu: I was talking to aaron yesterday. The point is: we don't support compiz, but we can fix the most blatantly crashes. |
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| 13:35.52 | vipw | thiago: probably xorg settings aren't passed executing that way |
| 13:35.52 | thiago | vipw: why don't you assign the keys from KDE instead? |
| 13:37.11 | vipw | thiago: these are acpi keys, not available as xorg key codes (but i can't say, it's impossible) |
| 13:37.58 | thiago | vipw: mine are available as xorg key codes |
| 13:38.11 | thiago | I needed to use setkeycodes |
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| 13:38.29 | mattepiu | thiago : crashes? with beryl I have just one kind of crash (resize from titlebar menu), everything else works but kicker and superkaramba with flaws... |
| 13:38.42 | thiago | mattepiu: please send aaron the patches to make it work then. |
| 13:39.17 | mattepiu | beryl is just svn.... however I'll try to peek in sources |
| 13:40.15 | vipw | thiago: i don't argue, it's probably possible for mine too... |
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| 13:40.59 | thiago | mattepiu: KDE won't support compiz. But if people point out specific ways in which we can improve our code, we can fix it. Patches are welcome. |
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| 13:42.05 | mattepiu | ok..... some study on the code then |
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| 13:46.00 | sIn_mAfIje | hi |
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| 13:48.29 | PhilRod | hi sIn_mAfIje |
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| 13:50.39 | Ace2007 | hi sIn_mAfIje |
| 13:52.47 | sIn_mAfIje | it must be realy boring when u greet me :p |
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| 13:58.37 | vegiVamp | hello :-) |
| 13:58.55 | vegiVamp | Is there a way to make konqi's file size view work over sftp ? |
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| 14:00.05 | vipw | thiago: is there some help about passing parameters? |
| 14:00.28 | thiago | vipw: which parameters? |
| 14:00.49 | vipw | e.g. QStringList |
| 14:01.01 | thiago | read the dcop.cpp source code |
| 14:01.07 | vipw | great |
| 14:01.11 | thiago | I think it uses ( value1 value2 value3 ) |
| 14:02.47 | vipw | hm, tried with (), [], "", '', and nothing |
| 14:03.06 | thiago | did dcop complain? |
| 14:03.26 | vipw | said not enough parameters |
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| 14:06.58 | vipw | give up |
| 14:08.03 | vipw | don't want to search svn in kdelibs nor download tarball |
| 14:08.04 | tempest-- | if i install programs for kde should they be added to the K menu automatically? |
| 14:08.04 | vipw | thanks anyway |
| 14:08.35 | benJIman|work | tempest--: depends whether they were packaged well. |
| 14:08.59 | tempest-- | would it require a reboot if they were? |
| 14:09.09 | tempest-- | i've installed, ktorrent, kplayer, konversation |
| 14:09.16 | tempest-- | and firefox |
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| 14:09.22 | thiago | tempest--: if they were packaged well, no reboot or re-login are necessary. |
| 14:09.32 | tempest-- | ok thanks thiago |
| 14:09.36 | tempest-- | and benjiman |
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| 14:18.09 | tempest-- | btw i used emerge in gentoo to install them |
| 14:18.23 | tempest-- | could that cause them not to be set up in the start menu? |
| 14:18.39 | tempest-- | k menu : / dont kll me |
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| 14:43.25 | minciNashu | please help me: how do i extract multiple tar.bz2 archives at once ? |
| 14:43.25 | minciNashu | tar -jxvf *.tar.bz2 says archive not found but if a do that cmd to one file, then it works |
| 14:43.57 | mmenal | for a in *.tar.bz2; do tar xjvf $a; done ? |
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| 14:45.41 | grepper | quoting the $a would be a good practice |
| 14:45.52 | mmenal | sure |
| 14:46.15 | mmenal | changing IFS before would be a good practice too |
| 14:46.44 | minciNashu | so what should i do then ? |
| 14:46.44 | grepper | not using fracked up file names would be a good practice too :P |
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| 14:47.16 | PhilRod | minciNashu: what mmenal said |
| 14:47.22 | PhilRod | but without the question mark :-) |
| 14:47.22 | mmenal | minciNashu: if you have decent filenames for your archives, then use the above command. |
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| 14:47.58 | minciNashu | if I use $a instead of *, it says |
| 14:48.13 | minciNashu | it needs a -- f argument |
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| 14:50.42 | PhilRod | minciNashu: just use the exact command that mmenal gave |
| 14:51.25 | minciNashu | tar xjvf $a ? |
| 14:51.34 | minciNashu | shouldnt it be tar -xjvf $a |
| 14:51.42 | minciNashu | i used tar -xjvf $a |
| 14:51.53 | minciNashu | and said it needs a -- f argument |
| 14:52.07 | grepper | gnu tar doesn't need the - |
| 14:52.32 | grepper | but you can use it |
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| 14:54.25 | XVampireX | Sho_: I think I am going to shock you, but I am starting to figure out why kdelibs are being ported to windows. |
| 14:54.28 | mmenal | minciNashu: the _exact_ command is "for a in *.tar.bz2; do tar xjvf $a; done" (without the quotes) |
| 14:54.54 | thiago | -xjvf |
| 14:54.57 | thiago | not xjvf |
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| 14:55.24 | Sho_ | XVampireX: aha? |
| 14:55.31 | mmenal | thiago: depends on the tar. |
| 14:57.15 | mmenal | (xjvf works fine with GNU Tar, the tar on *BSD and on Solaris) |
| 14:57.57 | XVampireX | Sho_: Yes, that happened when I started planning my own project. |
| 14:58.47 | PhilRod | Sho_: it's humanitarian: "Joe is a windows user. Stuck on this OS, with no KMail, no Kopete, and no CLI. For just €2 a month you can help bring kdelibs to Joe and make his life just that little bit better" |
| 14:59.12 | Sho_ | PhilRod: lol ;) |
| 14:59.43 | MinceR | lol |
| 14:59.53 | XVampireX | PhilRod: Not really, that's not the reason, the reason is truly all about marketing. |
| 14:59.58 | XVampireX | Or actually |
| 15:00.00 | XVampireX | Choice |
| 15:00.16 | thiago | mmenal: the GNU tar doesn't recommend using the Old Options mode |
| 15:00.30 | thiago | mmenal: does -j work on Solaris? |
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| 15:03.25 | minciNashu | "for a in *.tar.bz2; do tar xjvf $a; done" damn it works ! |
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| 15:03.45 | mmenal | thiago: right, j does not. but xvf works :) (and who cares what GNU tar recommends or not, as long as it works) |
| 15:03.53 | Ace2007 | Oh oh, i think ksysguard somehow just changed every process to a niceness of 18 |
| 15:03.54 | Ace2007 | eeek |
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| 15:06.28 | Ace2007 | why can't ksysguard increase the niceness again, it got put to 18 but i want it back to 0 but it says it can't do it, so how was i able to set it to 18 in the first place? |
| 15:06.59 | vegiVamp | Ace2007: because everyone can take his own processes down a notch, but you need to be root to get them back up :-) |
| 15:07.24 | benJIman|work | Ace2007: 18 is lower priority |
| 15:07.34 | Ace2007 | i know i'm trying to get them to 9 again |
| 15:07.41 | benJIman|work | you can decrease a process's priority, you can't increase it if you're not root |
| 15:08.27 | Ace2007 | i filtered some, and selected all the ones that had't been filteres, made them have a niceness of 18, but ksysguard reniced ALL of them, and got errors on root processes |
| 15:09.00 | vegiVamp | you might want to be happy about that last part :-) |
| 15:09.22 | vegiVamp | not quite sure how init would like to be niced, for one :-) |
| 15:09.52 | Ace2007 | well now my system is slow because emerge emerge is running |
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| 15:11.24 | thiago | Ace2007: non-root users can't increase priority (decrease niceness) |
| 15:12.06 | Ace2007 | yup, thats what vegiVamp said |
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| 15:12.40 | vegiVamp | strange acoustics in this channel :-p |
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| 15:12.58 | vegiVamp | but all that still doesn't answer my question :-) |
| 15:13.09 | vegiVamp | ie: Is there a way to make konqi's file size view work over sftp ? |
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| 15:13.39 | thiago | vegiVamp: check the source code to see if it's limited to local files or not |
| 15:14.11 | vegiVamp | ah, the open source way :-) |
| 15:14.23 | thiago | that's because I don't know the answer off-hand |
| 15:14.27 | Roey | vegiVamp: hi, are you vegetarian? |
| 15:14.35 | thiago | I gave you the method I would take to find that out |
| 15:14.36 | vegiVamp | Roey: used to be |
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| 15:14.57 | Roey | vegiVamp: ah... what happened? |
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| 15:15.17 | vegiVamp | thiago: not having done any c since, oh, since I left school, that might take slightly longer than going over to the nearest developer and physically threatening him to answer me :-) |
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| 15:15.31 | vegiVamp | Roey: got practical :-) |
| 15:15.35 | Roey | ahhh |
| 15:15.47 | Roey | vegiVamp: I dunno. I didn't find it that hard to be vegan |
| 15:15.51 | Roey | since '98 |
| 15:15.52 | Roey | er |
| 15:15.53 | Roey | '97 |
| 15:16.00 | Roey | I mean I've messed up a few times |
| 15:16.04 | Roey | but what can I do. |
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| 15:16.32 | vegiVamp | Roey: hard on me, no, but if you can't grab decent, if any, veg food anywhere near where you work, you start seeing the point of meaties |
| 15:16.59 | Roey | vegiVamp: what concerns me in particular is this trip to Japan next week.. I have *no* idea how to ask anything in Japanese, since I was completely lazy about learning any travel phrases over the past few months. |
| 15:17.06 | Roey | "Is this vegetarian?" |
| 15:17.09 | gemidjy | when I give Kubuntu too much work to do, i.e. rip audiocd and chat, it either stucks KDE or it logs out...this happens on Slackware too, KDE 3.5.4 running |
| 15:17.16 | Tonglebeak | i'm using kopete, but there's one annoying thing about it: everytime i start it up, it brings up the kwallet setup wizard, and i have to cancel it out twice. is there anyway to keep the kwallet wizard from coming up, i don't want to use it right now |
| 15:17.27 | Roey | "please, no meat, eggs, milk, fish sauce, oyster sauce, shrimp sauce, chicken broth?" |
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| 15:18.11 | vegiVamp | Roey: besides, while I agree that it's not strictly necessary to add meat to the diet, I don't have as much problems with eating it as I do with the way the beasties are treated in the mass breeding things. /me goes bio as much as is reasonably possible. |
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| 15:18.31 | vegiVamp | Roey: that might be a challenge, yes |
| 15:18.33 | Roey | vegiVamp: for me it's all about consent. |
| 15:18.38 | Roey | vegiVamp: yeah those japanese. |
| 15:18.42 | Roey | always adding fish to everything. |
| 15:18.49 | gemidjy | just cook it yourself |
| 15:18.50 | Roey | I imagine I'm gonna lose some weight there |
| 15:18.55 | Roey | gemidjy: cook? |
| 15:19.09 | Roey | I don't know when my friend & I will get any hotel rooms that come with kitchens. |
| 15:19.18 | gemidjy | ahh :) |
| 15:19.21 | Roey | we're just going for two weeks |
| 15:19.22 | gemidjy | u are too a vegi? |
| 15:19.24 | vegiVamp | consent ? natural balance has nothing whatsoever to do with consent :-) |
| 15:19.36 | Roey | gemidjy: I have a bit of experience with it ;) |
| 15:19.38 | Roey | gemidjy: are you? |
| 15:19.45 | gemidjy | yes, for a year now |
| 15:19.47 | Roey | vegiVamp: doesn't have to have. |
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| 15:19.50 | Roey | vegiVamp: consent is consent. |
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| 15:20.11 | Roey | vegiVamp: I'd drink breastmilk, that's consentual. |
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| 15:20.17 | Sugarat | Does anyone know why my Kmail is giving me dozens of copies of incoming mail messages? |
| 15:20.21 | Roey | vegiVamp: for what it's worth. |
| 15:20.21 | vegiVamp | Roey: no, that's you being kinky :-) |
| 15:20.21 | Sugarat | this is driving me nuts |
| 15:20.30 | Roey | vegiVamp: it's consentual nonetheless. |
| 15:20.33 | Roey | :) |
| 15:20.36 | Roey | gemidjy: ah |
| 15:20.36 | PhilRod | Sugarat: IMAP? POP? |
| 15:20.46 | Sugarat | IMAP |
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| 15:20.54 | Sugarat | soon as I turn on Spam filtering it goes mad |
| 15:21.07 | Roey | gemidjy: see, I *was* going to ask, "jee, why did you do that to yourself??" or something just as obnoxious. But my cover's already blown, so, "cool :)" |
| 15:21.22 | vegiVamp | Roey: it is in the order of all things to eat and be eaten. Death is never consensual. |
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| 15:21.26 | Sugarat | it seems to be duplicating messages. then it moves them out into the bin one by one, then 10 seconds later they all appear again |
| 15:21.26 | Roey | IMOP, POOP |
| 15:21.38 | Sugarat | i'm just trying to get some semblence of antispam working in Kmail |
| 15:21.45 | Roey | portable object oriented protocol |
| 15:21.46 | Roey | POOP |
| 15:21.47 | PhilRod | Sugarat: ah, spam filtering |
| 15:22.09 | gemidjy | Roey: heh |
| 15:22.11 | gemidjy | evul |
| 15:22.13 | Roey | =) |
| 15:22.15 | Roey | gemidjy: asl? |
| 15:22.32 | gemidjy | no way |
| 15:22.35 | gemidjy | ;) |
| 15:22.38 | Roey | hah |
| 15:22.39 | Roey | why nopt |
| 15:22.42 | Roey | why not, who cares. |
| 15:22.54 | Roey | 26/m/maryland, usa |
| 15:22.55 | gemidjy | 23/m/macedonia |
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| 15:22.56 | Roey | (east coast) |
| 15:22.59 | Roey | ahhhhhh |
| 15:22.59 | PhilRod | Sugarat: hrm, not sure of the best way to go about this - I think first check you can make a filter to move a message to a different (IMAP) directory |
| 15:23.02 | Roey | macedonia... |
| 15:23.06 | Roey | how are you doing over there |
| 15:23.09 | PhilRod | Roey: back on topic please |
| 15:23.14 | gemidjy | Roey: rainy |
| 15:23.21 | Roey | gemidjy: *how are you doing with kde over there |
| 15:23.22 | Roey | ah |
| 15:23.27 | PhilRod | Sugarat: that'll check that filtering in general is working alright |
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| 15:24.03 | gemidjy | Roey: well we have spread over 300 Kubuntu, 200 Kanotix and more than 500 Ubuntu CDs this month, |
| 15:24.08 | gemidjy | spread kde |
| 15:24.09 | gemidjy | :) |
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| 15:24.25 | gemidjy | and have had translation marathon last spring, 21.000 strings translated |
| 15:24.25 | Sugarat | i've got the standard antispam filters which move messages identified as junk into the local waste folder |
| 15:24.33 | gemidjy | and such, my Lug takes care of |
| 15:24.38 | Sugarat | PhilRod: think I should delete those filters? |
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| 15:25.01 | PhilRod | Sugarat: if they're making it go mad, delete them for the moment |
| 15:25.09 | Sugarat | k |
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| 15:25.29 | Sugarat | OK. filters deleted |
| 15:25.46 | Richlv | i have imported a bunch of messages into kmail and am trying to move from thunderbird. so, in thunderbird ;) it was possible to collabse whole mail information into a single line showing only sender, subject & time. |
| 15:25.51 | Richlv | can i do something similar in kmail ? |
| 15:26.00 | Sugarat | How should I go about testing the filters now then? |
| 15:26.06 | PhilRod | Sugarat: in general, IMAP filters work (I have a bunch), although I haven't tested with spam filtering |
| 15:26.13 | Richlv | the info is displayed iline with the mail and i can't find any buttons or controls for collapsing that information |
| 15:26.16 | PhilRod | Sugarat: create a simple filter like the one I suggested |
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| 15:27.09 | Sugarat | now sure what to put in the filter box to make a filter |
| 15:27.19 | Pistos | I notice that oftentimes Konsole does not save settings changes made to the Sessions. I might, for example, want to change the Schema used for a session. When I open a new tab for the session, it still uses the old schema. New incarnations of Konsole seem to take the changes, though. |
| 15:27.37 | Pistos | How can make the current Konsole window, and all subsequently opened tabs, use the new session settings? |
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| 15:28.00 | PhilRod | Pistos: settings->save as default |
| 15:28.16 | Pistos | PhilRod: Doesn't seem to help. |
| 15:28.22 | Pistos | I will try it a few more times. |
| 15:28.24 | Sugarat | PhilRod: Ok made a filter |
| 15:28.31 | Sugarat | will just see if it works |
| 15:29.01 | Pistos | PhilRod: Nope, I (1) opened new session (2) changed schema (3) saved as default (4) closed session (tab) (5) opened new session (tab), and it still has the old schema. |
| 15:29.16 | Pistos | I'm on KDE 3.5. |
| 15:29.29 | Pistos | Konsole 1.6.2, the About box says. |
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| 15:31.11 | Sugarat | PhilRod: Yay.. the filter I made worked and it moved an incoming IMAP mail into a folder on the same IMAP server |
| 15:31.45 | PhilRod | Sugarat: ok, cool. Now make one that pipes a message through your spamfilter app |
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| 15:33.26 | Slycer | ello....quick question. im working in gentoo..emerging kde now but got this error |
| 15:33.30 | Slycer | http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=advadv.JPG |
| 15:33.44 | Slycer | does anyone know what went wrong and what to do? |
| 15:33.59 | Slycer | latest kde version |
| 15:34.02 | pinotree | Slycer: wrong channel, --> #gentoo or #gentoo-kde |
| 15:34.22 | Slycer | bah noone will answer me in gentoo and gentoo kde seems SMALL |
| 15:34.36 | Sugarat | unfortunate, but the problem is gentoo specific |
| 15:34.39 | pinotree | bah this is the wrong channel |
| 15:34.47 | Pistos | Slycer: I'll take a look, one sec. |
| 15:34.50 | Slycer | okies |
| 15:34.58 | Pistos | Slycer: I'll even answer you in #gentoo. :) |
| 15:35.19 | Slycer | woo :D |
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| 15:36.49 | Sugarat | hmm.. dont know how to make an antispam filter |
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| 15:38.10 | Richlv | well, i suppose that means i can not collapse mail information :) |
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| 15:38.58 | PhilRod | Sugarat: we're walking through it - did you manage to get a filter to pipe the message through your antispam program? |
| 15:39.00 | PhilRod | (are you using SA or something else?) |
| 15:39.03 | CLink | quit |
| 15:39.09 | Sugarat | not yet.. I'm just trying to setup a filter to pipe to spamassassin |
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| 15:39.57 | PhilRod | ok |
| 15:39.59 | Sugarat | cant see any option to pipe the mail |
| 15:40.07 | PhilRod | "pipe through command" I think it's called |
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| 15:41.28 | Sugarat | PhilRod: Okie cokie. made the filter now |
| 15:41.42 | Sugarat | what be the next step |
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| 15:42.37 | XVampireX | Sho_: Do you think making a real theme with KDE4 will be possible? I don't mean just the look, I mean the feel/functionality. I.E: That of the OS X, like the widgets are a little bit different from KDE |
| 15:43.23 | PhilRod | Sugarat: receive a mail and check it's put through that filter (and not duplicated) |
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| 15:43.46 | Sugarat | ok i just sent one and its been filtered, (but got 0% spam probability on it) |
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| 15:43.59 | Sugarat | so far not duplicated |
| 15:44.42 | Sugarat | hmm I guess now I have to wait and see how it does |
| 15:44.53 | BCMM | is there a shell command that would execute something as if it had been entered in the KDE run command dialog? |
| 15:45.09 | BCMM | i.e. do the right thing with urls, filenames, commands, etc. |
| 15:45.29 | Sugarat | the right thing? |
| 15:46.19 | BCMM | i mean, if you type a url in the run command dialog, it open it in konqueror. If you put a command in there, it executes it. If you put the path of a document in there, it opens it in whatever opens that sort of document |
| 15:46.22 | thiago | BCMM: yes |
| 15:46.23 | Sho_ | XVampireX: The styles will have greater control over composition of GUIs, yes |
| 15:46.30 | thiago | BCMM: but it's not easy |
| 15:46.37 | BCMM | thiago: oh... |
| 15:46.39 | XVampireX | Sho_: Thanks! |
| 15:47.21 | Sho_ | XVampireX: Thanks to better blending abilities, etc. |
| 15:47.29 | BCMM | imho it would be nice to be a able to use that feature of KDE in a script... it would make integration easier |
| 15:47.50 | Sho_ | XVampireX: Check out Klik some time ... |
| 15:47.56 | BCMM | XVampireX: klik is a bit like that isn't it? |
| 15:47.58 | BCMM | oh |
| 15:48.11 | XVampireX | I don't know, I really don't use OS X |
| 15:48.12 | XVampireX | brb |
| 15:48.25 | Richlv | BCMM, try kfmclient exec <whatever> |
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| 15:48.42 | BCMM | Richlv: i thought so, but for some reason that won't handle email addresses |
| 15:49.04 | Sho_ | BCMM: kfmexec perhaps |
| 15:49.17 | thiago | that requires the full path |
| 15:49.32 | XVampireX | I've seen how someone install Democracy Player on OS X and that got me excited |
| 15:49.32 | BCMM | Sho_: thanks, didn't know about that |
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| 15:49.34 | Sugarat | PhilRod: I'll keep tinkering with it.. thanks for the help |
| 15:49.41 | BCMM | Sho_: doesn't seem to work... |
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| 15:50.50 | BCMM | Sho_: that won't do http urls... |
| 15:50.57 | XVampireX | Klik is more like 1 click install, but yes, it does seem to install each new version independantly? |
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| 15:51.41 | Richlv | i found an old proposal to implement shown header customization |
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| 15:51.41 | Richlv | http://63.238.77.251/?l=kmail-devel&m=106500147103649&w=2 |
| 15:51.49 | Richlv | but that has not been followed up, so it seems |
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| 15:52.39 | BCMM | what i really want is something i can put in my $BROWSER variable and which will handle http links and email addresses |
| 15:52.53 | Richlv | damn. bloody 15" display seems to be fogotten by developers :) |
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| 15:53.38 | benJIman|work | KDE is mostly fine on lower reses |
| 15:53.49 | benJIman|work | kubuntu really isn't though. |
| 15:53.53 | Richlv | benJIman|work, sure, i am now trying to use particulary kmail :) |
| 15:54.06 | Richlv | and mail header is so awfully big |
| 15:54.23 | Richlv | especially after thunderbird's one-liner with [+] at the left side ;) |
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| 15:59.40 | Richlv | and mail importer seems to be stalled :) |
| 15:59.54 | PhilRod | BCMM: control center -> kde components -> component chooser ? |
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| 16:02.55 | roxy_ | atm when I Ctrl-U in konqueror , I see the file in gvim. Is it possible to see it in vim in a new konsole tab ? |
| 16:05.15 | Richlv | oooh. i managet to crash kmail even before starting to use it =) |
| 16:05.36 | Richlv | or that actually was the importer tool |
| 16:05.45 | PhilRod | roxy_: you'd probably have to change the file association for text/html |
| 16:06.03 | PhilRod | Sugarat: good luck! Shout if you have any problems |
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| 16:06.18 | Sugarat | cheers |
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| 16:11.22 | XVampireX | Does anyone know of an open source alternative to 37Signals products? |
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| 16:13.02 | roxy_ | PhilRod: I tried and if I switch it to vim AND start konqueror in konsole, then vim is started and after an error generated. If konqueror is not started from konsole then nothing happen. |
| 16:13.11 | Richlv | starting kmail from console shows a bunch of warnings... |
| 16:13.11 | Richlv | kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. |
| 16:13.31 | Richlv | XVampireX, it probably would be easier if you could state your needs :) |
| 16:13.43 | mariux | is it still not possible to get the kopetex msn pluging to send images instead of text? |
| 16:14.03 | pinotree | mariux: --> #kopete |
| 16:14.29 | XVampireX | Richlv: I need a Project Management system |
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| 16:16.03 | PhilRod | roxy_: set the file association to "konsole -e vim %f" |
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| 16:20.00 | elvstone | hello. what's the accelerator modifier in konqueror? i see it's not Alt as it is in Firefox. |
| 16:20.28 | mariux | you mean how you hit alt+b for bookmarksmenu? |
| 16:21.05 | PhilRod | Ctrl? |
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| 16:21.33 | PhilRod | elvstone: don't really know what you mean, but hit and release Ctrl |
| 16:21.35 | roxy_ | PhilRod: thanks |
| 16:22.14 | elvstone | hrm. well it's for a site i'm doing, i have an <label accesskey="f" for="query">Quick Search</label> and a <input id="query" type="text" size="8" />.. and in FF i can hit Alt+f to get to the input. |
| 16:22.26 | mariux | just hit ctrl once |
| 16:22.31 | mariux | nothing else |
| 16:22.43 | mariux | then the letter afterwards |
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| 16:22.50 | elvstone | ah. cool! |
| 16:23.01 | elvstone | PhilRod mariux: thanks. |
| 16:23.09 | mariux | it even works on pages which hasnt defined accesskeys |
| 16:23.15 | mariux | its awesome |
| 16:23.17 | elvstone | that is great. |
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| 16:29.13 | roxy_ | PhilRod: it is working but open a new konsole. Is it possible to open a new tab in the already running konsole if it exists ? |
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| 16:30.55 | PhilRod | roxy_: yes, but you'd have to write a script that queries dcop I think |
| 16:31.04 | PhilRod | (well, I assume it would be possible - I've never tried) |
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| 16:32.21 | Julianyus | hi |
| 16:32.30 | roxy_ | PhilRod: thanks |
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| 16:39.31 | gemidjy | kde logsout instantly after starting two tasks, kubuntu dapper 6.06 with latest updates |
| 16:39.40 | gemidjy | damn, it happens in slackware current, too |
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| 16:46.52 | _-InFeRnO-_ | hi |
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| 16:54.49 | chovy | konquerer keeps crashing on me... |
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| 16:54.59 | chovy | any suggestions? |
| 16:55.28 | pinotree | i'd like the peace in the world |
| 16:55.34 | pinotree | any suggestions? |
| 16:55.48 | hydrogan | big hammer |
| 16:55.50 | pinotree | seriously, how could anyone help with that generic information? |
| 16:55.50 | hydrogan | to both |
| 16:55.53 | mariux | i'd like the correct answer to this math problem, any suggestions? |
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| 16:56.54 | hydrogan | big hammer applies there too mariux |
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| 16:57.30 | Sugarat | trying to install a kmymoney rpm but it says it needs libexpat |
| 16:57.36 | hydrogan | big hammer |
| 16:57.54 | pinotree | Sugarat: #yourdistro should be the best place where ask |
| 16:58.02 | Sugarat | ok ta |
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| 17:02.42 | gemidjy | damn, kde after 3.5.2 logs out automaticly |
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| 17:04.00 | har | hi |
| 17:04.30 | coolzero | salut a tous |
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| 17:13.41 | Sugarat | PhilRod: this spam filter isn't happy... |
| 17:14.23 | Sugarat | I've got a waste bin with 4 emails in it, - all details "unknown" and a message body of : 1 message examined |
| 17:15.28 | Sugarat | Can anyone tell me how I should filter kmail into spamassassin ? |
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| 17:24.36 | chovy | pinotree: i don't know why it's crashing. I'll paste a stacktrace next time. But it's happening in multiple applications, which is why I think it's the konquerer browser. |
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| 17:25.59 | chovy | http://chovy.dyndns.org/err/kcrash.txt |
| 17:26.44 | chovy | the other day it seems my web site was crashing konquerer, and also from inside quanta+ - but that isn't happening anymore. |
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| 17:30.24 | Sugarat | How can I turn off big side images on the K 'start' button? the menu takes up the whole height of the screen and looks ridiculous.. ? |
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| 17:33.33 | M_A_K | Can someone help me figure out why my progress indicator when I empty the trash stays at 0% |
| 17:33.56 | Sutoka | is anyone aware of how to disable the korganizer reminder daemon from starting whenever Kontact is started? its kinda annoying it coming up every time i start Kontact since i don't really ever use KOrganizer (since i don't have much to organize) |
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| 17:36.57 | Richlv | can i mark all messages in a folder & subfolders as read ? |
| 17:37.40 | kucrut | kmail? |
| 17:37.50 | Richlv | yep, kmail :) |
| 17:37.56 | kucrut | sure |
| 17:37.57 | Richlv | sorry for not mentioning that |
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| 17:38.32 | Richlv | kucrut, so, how could i do that ? |
| 17:38.42 | Richlv | context menu only works for a single folder |
| 17:38.48 | Richlv | multiple folders can not be selected |
| 17:39.19 | kucrut | umm |
| 17:39.34 | kucrut | i thought you asked only for one folder :( |
| 17:39.38 | kucrut | missed the & |
| 17:40.29 | Richlv | it seems i will have a whole bunch of wishes to file at bugzilla after a short evaluation of kmail =) |
| 17:40.57 | kucrut | yea, file a wish |
| 17:41.09 | Richlv | expanding/collapsing & customising mail headers shown, expanding/collapsing long recipient lists, selecting multiple folders, dragndropping folders... |
| 17:41.22 | Richlv | it also seems that i can not operate folderlist with keyboard |
| 17:41.35 | Richlv | i'm trying to move from thunderbird, but it is a bit hard ;) |
| 17:42.19 | kucrut | Richlv: kontact is looking for new devs. you might wanna join them ;-) |
| 17:42.46 | Richlv | kucrut, my coding abilities are - none :) |
| 17:43.00 | Richlv | at most i can test & report things :) |
| 17:43.13 | kucrut | that's a start :) |
| 17:43.36 | Richlv | that's a status for many years now ;) |
| 17:43.38 | kucrut | and then fix things, add things..... ;-) |
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| 17:45.30 | Richlv | i'd probably get killed ten times before any attempt to fix anything would be even close to sane code |
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| 17:49.48 | mustasj | Just watched a new series called Heroes, where one of the characters used kde and kopete ;) |
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| 17:50.47 | Sutoka | mustasj: must have been one of the heros! |
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| 17:51.35 | annma | mustasj: yes? |
| 17:51.36 | mustasj | hope so, always cool to see linux on tv |
| 17:51.39 | annma | woow |
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| 17:52.32 | Sutoka | was it the premiere episode? (cause you can watch it on the NBC site) |
| 17:52.35 | mustasj | annma: well, it's not that special, though I find it cool. |
| 17:52.50 | annma | well it is |
| 17:52.50 | mustasj | the premiere |
| 17:53.13 | Sutoka | well if they're using kde then theres hope that the creators actually have a clue about technology! (which is all too rare when it comes to tv/movies) |
| 17:54.09 | mustasj | annma: yes? I'm sorry if you found it unrelevant for the channel or something. |
| 17:54.22 | annma | not at all, mustasj |
| 17:54.29 | annma | i find it a good news |
| 17:54.50 | annma | i am pleased to hear it and it is relevant to the channel |
| 17:55.48 | Sutoka | mustasj: if they were using gnome and gaim you would of been banned fyi ;-) |
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| 17:57.34 | ericP | after a small amount of goading, i switched from xmms to Amorok |
| 17:58.14 | ericP | now, the music hiccups every, 100 seconds, or, so |
| 17:58.22 | Sutoka | ericP: what engine are you using? |
| 17:58.38 | Sutoka | also what distro, and alsa or oss? |
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| 18:01.01 | ericP | Sutoka, Xine, debian sid, alsa, and it's debian version 1.4.3-1 |
| 18:01.46 | ericP | Sutoka, under sound system, I only see a choice of xine |
| 18:01.56 | Sutoka | ericP: if you try playing the song with say xine-ui does it also hiccup? |
| 18:02.54 | ericP | Sutoka, will be able to answer relatively reliably in about 5min (to account for standard deviation and attention span) |
| 18:03.46 | Sutoka | if it does hiccup then that means its a problem most likely with xine, and just installing another engine (like helix, gstreamer, or arts) in amarok should get around the problem |
| 18:04.12 | ericP | Sutoka, that's a yest |
| 18:04.17 | ericP | yes |
| 18:04.29 | Sutoka | so it does hiccup in xine-ui? |
| 18:05.00 | ericP | $(xine '/usr/local/mp3s/airi/Music/f01/04 ____ 04 1.mp3') has hiccuped twice so far |
| 18:05.14 | Sutoka | just installing and using a different engine in amarok should get around the problem then |
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| 18:05.47 | ericP | recommendation (for someone using alsa, and not wicked clever)? |
| 18:06.12 | Sutoka | well i personally prefer xine, so can't really help you that well |
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| 18:06.39 | Sutoka | afaik though i think gstreamer is disabled in recent versions of amarok (because its broken), so probably going with helix or arts is the best option |
| 18:06.45 | ericP | maybe i should configure xine to talk to alsa a different way... |
| 18:07.11 | ericP | and i'm confused by the relationship between arts and alsa |
| 18:07.30 | ericP | one is an interface API and one is a spaceship or something like that? |
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| 18:07.42 | Sutoka | almost lol |
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| 18:08.26 | Sutoka | alsa and oss are what xine,arts,helix,gstreamer, and every other audio frame work talk to, and alsa/oss then tell the hardware what to do |
| 18:08.31 | ericP | well, i could try just a bit harder, but probably your tollerance has gone up at the same time |
| 18:09.06 | Sutoka | xine/arts/helix/gstreamer/etcs job is pretty much to decode the mp3s/oggs/wma/etc to a raw format pretty much |
| 18:09.23 | ericP | cf "mostly" in aliens2 |
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| 18:10.07 | Richlv | fyi, arts support is dropped in recent amarok versions :) |
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| 18:10.37 | Sutoka | arts is a bit different than xine/helix/gstreamer because it will take several mp3s/oggs/wmas/wavs/etc and mix it into a single stream to give the alsa or oss (some older system's alsa/oss couldn't do that themselvses, which meant only a single sound could play at once) |
| 18:10.41 | Richlv | ericP, it would probably be best to find out why xine has problems and resolve them |
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| 18:11.21 | ericP | Richlv, debugging tips? |
| 18:11.21 | lebifteksauvage | Hello ;) |
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| 18:12.28 | Richlv | ericP, the file is on a local hdd ? |
| 18:12.40 | Richlv | that is, make sure dat source is not a slow network server :) |
| 18:13.13 | ericP | Richlv, local. never saw probs from xmms talking to alsa |
| 18:13.16 | Richlv | then, check that you have latest xinelib version, that this happens with different filetypes (like ogg, mp3 and so on) |
| 18:13.26 | Richlv | check system load when this happens |
| 18:13.37 | Richlv | other than these, i don't have any ideas :) |
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| 18:15.30 | ericP | running sid. i have libxine1 and libxinerama1 installed (but not libxine or libxinerama) |
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| 18:15.55 | ericP | i try to keep my system load expressable as an unsigned int |
| 18:16.51 | ericP | Richlv, getting more data now... |
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| 18:18.23 | ericP | Richlv, 2 data points: skipped when load was 2 or 3, driven there by offlineimap |
| 18:18.25 | Richlv | ericP, i could suggest you ask in xine channel... but that would be cruel :) |
| 18:18.29 | Richlv | better try in #amarok |
| 18:18.43 | Richlv | though it actually is a xine problem, somebody might know what's happening in there |
| 18:18.51 | Richlv | ericP, oh |
| 18:19.09 | Richlv | that might be a reason indeed |
| 18:19.57 | ericP | perhaps xmmms doing (annyingly) long buffers which kept these transient probs from happening |
| 18:20.11 | tech9iner | G'Day Richlv |
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| 18:49.13 | chovy | k |
| 18:49.17 | obseleron | any akonadi people in here? |
| 18:49.33 | PhilRod | they'll probably be in #kontact |
| 18:49.44 | obseleron | thanks philrod |
| 18:49.44 | PhilRod | but try us - we might be able to help |
| 18:50.01 | obseleron | i was looking at the spec, seems a great thing |
| 18:50.15 | obseleron | unifying everything a pim needs even on a gnome basis |
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| 18:55.13 | PhilRod | obseleron: they're really in need of help, if you're a coder |
| 19:00.38 | obseleron | i could, provided i find the time, since i use kontact and like it _very_ much |
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| 19:01.25 | nefertum | i have a problem with knetworkmanager, it detects my wired conections but not my wireless card |
| 19:01.36 | nefertum | so i cannot connect to any essid using this app |
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| 19:01.49 | nefertum | i can, however, configure the wireless using wireless-tools |
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| 19:02.33 | PhilRod | knetworkmanager depends on networkmanager, which is distro-specific, IIRC, so you should ask in #yourdistro |
| 19:03.20 | PhilRod | obseleron: I'm not sure of the exact things that are required, but I'm sure they'd like to hear from you. If you have trouble finding the right person, give me a shout (phil |
| 19:03.33 | PhilRod | @kde.org) and I'll try to find whoever you need to talk to |
| 19:03.45 | PhilRod | grr, stupid keys next to enter |
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| 19:04.13 | obseleron | thanks PhilRod i will keep that in mind |
| 19:06.42 | nefertum | thanks PhilRod |
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| 19:09.24 | Phlogiston | Is there any new kde4 pre whatever release available? |
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| 19:10.44 | PhilRod | there's the "krash" snapshot, which is only interesting for application developers |
| 19:11.05 | PhilRod | it's basically just to show where kdelibs is going |
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| 19:13.34 | Phlogiston | Hmm I thought that there were some changes after that event. Those sound quite interesting |
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| 19:14.02 | Sutoka | well aKademy is going on right now, so theres going to be LOTS of changes going into SVN soon |
| 19:14.15 | Phlogiston | ah ok |
| 19:14.31 | Phlogiston | so it might be worth to install the stuff after that akademy? =9 |
| 19:14.41 | PhilRod | if you're interested in what development is happening at the moment, the commit digest is the place to go |
| 19:14.51 | PhilRod | Phlogiston: only if you're planning to code on it |
| 19:15.09 | Phlogiston | PhilRod: Hmm actually I am not... :) |
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| 19:15.38 | Phlogiston | but I'd like to check out the compiz integration if there is one :) |
| 19:16.23 | Sutoka | Phlogiston: KWin4 is getting support for the features compiz has |
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| 19:16.35 | PhilRod | kwin in trunk (ie, what will be KDE 4) has compositing support |
| 19:16.42 | Sutoka | Phlogiston: though kpager recently got patched in svn to work with compiz's cube desktop |
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| 19:18.28 | PhilRod | Sutoka: was that trunk or branch? |
| 19:18.41 | Sutoka | PhilRod: don't remember, it was on the last commit digest |
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| 19:21.02 | Phlogiston | hehe so I will probably fetch kde svn soon |
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| 20:02.55 | yetifoot | how can i get the win key to open my K menu, it worked until i last restarted, now it won't anymore, thanks |
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| 20:03.28 | thiago | have you upgraded from KDE 3.4 to 3.5? |
| 20:03.43 | thiago | KDE does not support opening the K menu with the Win key |
| 20:03.50 | thiago | use the standard combination: Alt+F1 |
| 20:04.00 | yetifoot | no, i haven't changed anything, it worked until about 10 minutes ago, when i restarted |
| 20:04.08 | yetifoot | i'm using 3.3 i think |
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| 20:05.42 | expose | Hi |
| 20:06.03 | expose | Does anyone know of a tor frontent for qt/kde other than vidalia or tork? |
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| 20:13.43 | _-InFeRnO-_ | http://www.gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle.com/ |
| 20:14.24 | Sutoka | _-InFeRnO-_: it would be funnier if the logo wasn't just repeated over and over |
| 20:14.41 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 20:14.46 | _-InFeRnO-_ | but I like the long url |
| 20:15.09 | Sutoka | if it was actually made by google and you could use all their stuff via it, it would be hilarious |
| 20:15.29 | thiago | it's as long as it can be |
| 20:15.39 | thiago | gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle is 63 characters |
| 20:15.57 | Sutoka | max domain name is 63 characters? |
| 20:16.05 | yetifoot | can anyone help with this? on kde 3.3 how can i get the win key to open my K menu, it worked until i last restarted, now it won't anymore, thanks |
| 20:16.05 | thiago | yes |
| 20:16.19 | thiago | yetifoot: are you using KDE 3.3? |
| 20:16.32 | yetifoot | thiago: yes |
| 20:16.45 | thiago | yetifoot: make sure you're using the Windows-style keyboard layout |
| 20:17.24 | _-InFeRnO-_ | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Mickey |
| 20:17.41 | yetifoot | thiago: how do i do that? it was working until i restarted |
| 20:17.55 | thiago | run kpersonalizer |
| 20:18.47 | yetifoot | hmm, won't that screw all my chosen theme up? |
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| 20:19.01 | _-InFeRnO-_ | yes |
| 20:19.25 | _-InFeRnO-_ | who cares, you can set it up again, if you want the M$ key taht mcuh |
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| 20:20.05 | yetifoot | but after i set it up to plastik theme, won't it just remove it again. |
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| 20:37.01 | _-InFeRnO-_ | no |
| 20:37.02 | yetifoot | i found a way to do it without running kpersonaliser |
| 20:37.02 | _-InFeRnO-_ | a theme, once installed, stays forever |
| 20:37.02 | yetifoot | damn kcontrol segfaulted, must be a hint not to use win key |
| 20:37.02 | _-InFeRnO-_ | it had three tabs |
| 20:37.02 | thiago | yetifoot: you now know why we removed that feature in more recent KDEs |
| 20:37.02 | _-InFeRnO-_ | and an ugly theme |
| 20:37.03 | thiago | yetifoot: it doesn't work right. |
| 20:37.04 | obseleron | thiago: you all guys have been doing great work |
| 20:37.04 | yetifoot | i'll have to take a look in knoppix, they have it using 3.5 |
| 20:37.05 | obseleron | just for the note of support, despite what some of us have to pay for Qt if we want to use the skills on windows too for non - gpl licensed software |
| 20:37.05 | thiago | yetifoot: they re-added the feature. |
| 20:37.05 | thiago | yetifoot: so KDE has no responsibility for it |
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| 20:54.48 | Ace2007 | Anyone know a linux app like SmartDraw??? |
| 20:56.28 | Renze | maybe if I knew what SmartDraw was |
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| 20:56.29 | Renze | ah, a flowchart app |
| 20:56.29 | Renze | kivio in koffice? |
| 20:56.40 | Ace2007 | never tried that, i'll give it a go |
| 20:57.34 | Renze | looks like kivio won't do half the stuff smartdraw does, though... but scribus could, with a little effort :) |
| 20:59.44 | Ace2007 | yea, kivio can't have a gradient background |
| 21:00.20 | Renze | Ace2007: use the source, luke! |
| 21:00.34 | Ace2007 | luke? |
| 21:00.49 | Renze | Star Wars paraphrase |
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| 21:01.36 | smileaf | Luke SourceHacker |
| 21:01.42 | Ace2007 | yea that totally went over my head |
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| 21:02.33 | smileaf | Ace2007: you non-sci-fi geek :( |
| 21:02.42 | Renze | Ace2007: in other words: you have access to the kivio source code... make it do gradients :D |
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| 21:03.07 | Ace2007 | i am, i watch stargate atlantis and sg1, just sleepy at the moment, mind is on other things |
| 21:03.27 | Renze | never too late to learn |
| 21:04.22 | smileaf | Learn as you code, thats how I do it :D |
| 21:04.29 | Renze | that's how everyone does it :D |
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| 21:04.49 | smileaf | Renze: I hope they don't do it to the extent that I do tho :) |
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| 21:05.00 | Renze | smileaf: you'd be surprised :D |
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| 21:05.32 | smileaf | Renze: I normally take a piece of code and play around with it until it finally works how I want it.. without the aid of a book or online reference (other than api) |
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| 21:05.47 | Renze | smileaf: sounds about right :D |
| 21:05.47 | smileaf | thats how I've learned all the languages I know currently :S |
| 21:06.12 | smileaf | C++ is proving to be a bit more difficult tho for that technique |
| 21:06.21 | Renze | I have the C/C++ Programmers Reference, but that's about it |
| 21:06.39 | smileaf | I got C++ in a nutshell but not read much of it. |
| 21:06.51 | Renze | oh, and the enormous Java Complete Reference, which I once read cover to cover out of extreme boredom. |
| 21:06.59 | smileaf | and that was after I became a registered developer for a Qt program XD |
| 21:07.03 | Renze | I still don't like Java |
| 21:07.10 | PhilRod | Renze: I've found a great antidote for boredom - bug triage :-) |
| 21:07.25 | Renze | PhilRod: this was before joining the #kde crowd :D |
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| 21:07.49 | smileaf | I still need to figure out why my kde4 kcontrol module port isn't working =) |
| 21:07.52 | Renze | back in the *shudder* dialup days |
| 21:08.15 | tstaerk | smileaf, maybe it is crashing and then kcrash is crashing so you do not realize ;) |
| 21:08.25 | smileaf | tstaerk: no it won't compile |
| 21:08.29 | Steven_M | PhilRod: are you there? |
| 21:08.34 | PhilRod | Steven_M: yup |
| 21:08.41 | smileaf | tstaerk: it's not generating the ui cpp/h files |
| 21:08.51 | MaximLevitsky | I just found that konqueror don't display flash when composite extension is enabled in Xorg. I found that this is well known problem, What status of this problem today, is it fixed in KDE 3.5.4 ? , will it be fixed ? |
| 21:09.22 | tstaerk | in my opinion, generated .h files are work of pure evil |
| 21:09.36 | Renze | MaximLevitsky: it is unlikely to be fixed as composite will very likely be replaced in the near future |
| 21:09.52 | smileaf | tstaerk: maybe but it sure beats coding where widgets go and such =) |
| 21:10.01 | MaximLevitsky | thanks , but replaced with what ? |
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| 21:10.15 | Renze | MaximLevitsky: XGL, or AIGLX, or whatever |
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| 21:10.47 | MaximLevitsky | Renze , thanks |
| 21:10.54 | Pinaraf | Renze: what you're saying is a nonsense. |
| 21:10.58 | Pinaraf | a pure nonsense. |
| 21:11.32 | Renze | Pinaraf: if you say so |
| 21:11.32 | Pinaraf | Xgl and Aiglx use composite. |
| 21:11.32 | Pinaraf | Composite is a "standard" X11 extension |
| 21:11.32 | Renze | Pinaraf: no, they use OpenGL compositing... xcomposite uses xrender |
| 21:11.35 | Pinaraf | No |
| 21:11.52 | Pinaraf | it's the Composite Manager job. |
| 21:11.53 | Renze | AIGLX is also a standard X11 extension |
| 21:12.04 | Pinaraf | I know a composite manager using OpenGL since June 2004. |
| 21:12.14 | Steven_M | just wanted to let you know that the custom session type is working fine now, thanks for all your help :-) |
| 21:12.38 | Pinaraf | and Aiglx is another thing. |
| 21:12.47 | Renze | Pinaraf: you have yet to convince me |
| 21:13.30 | PhilRod | Steven_M: oh cool, glad to hear it :-) |
| 21:13.35 | Pinaraf | Renze: that's easy. |
| 21:13.39 | PhilRod | Steven_M: remind me what it was for again? |
| 21:13.43 | Pinaraf | pinaraf@localhost:~/bin/beryl/beryl-core/trunk/src$ grep "Composite" -i *.c |
| 21:13.43 | Pinaraf | display.c:#include <X11/extensions/Xcomposite.h> |
| 21:13.52 | Pinaraf | I suppose you know beryl is a fork of compiz... |
| 21:14.25 | Renze | Pinaraf: yes, and as such supports multiple composite strategies |
| 21:14.40 | MaximLevitsky | xgl as I know is a new X server, which still runs on top of standard XFree, which provides OpenGL services to xgl |
| 21:14.41 | Renze | Pinaraf: be it opengl compositing, or xrender compositing |
| 21:14.53 | Renze | MaximLevitsky: correct |
| 21:14.57 | Pinaraf | yes, and it uses the XComposite extension. |
| 21:15.08 | benJIman | with the new nvidia dirvers you can use compiz without xgl or aiglx |
| 21:15.13 | Renze | Pinaraf: does every compositing method use xcomposite? |
| 21:15.16 | Pinaraf | the X Composite extension has nothing to do with XRender. |
| 21:15.17 | Pinaraf | you |
| 21:15.19 | Pinaraf | yes |
| 21:15.22 | Pinaraf | that's mandatory. |
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| 21:15.43 | Pinaraf | benJIman: because nVidia has aiglx-like features since months... |
| 21:16.00 | Renze | Pinaraf: does AIGLX overload the xcomposite? |
| 21:16.00 | MaximLevitsky | so still kde running on top of xgl will use composite to make windows transparent, I think. |
| 21:16.12 | Pinaraf | Aiglx only brings one thing : |
| 21:16.18 | Pinaraf | Indirect GLX Acceleration |
| 21:16.19 | Pinaraf | that's all |
| 21:16.23 | Renze | I know |
| 21:16.34 | Pinaraf | it has nothing to do with Composite |
| 21:16.39 | Renze | so AIGLX still uses xcomposite for compositing? |
| 21:16.41 | Pinaraf | ok, nothing directly |
| 21:16.47 | Pinaraf | Aiglx is not an X server |
| 21:16.57 | Renze | I know that too |
| 21:17.09 | Pinaraf | your question has no meaning |
| 21:17.20 | Steven_M | PhilRod: using an environmet variable to get kde to use a different set of prefs while under that session type. |
| 21:17.24 | benJIman | Pinaraf: quite |
| 21:17.47 | Pinaraf | but in any case, if you want true translucency under a recent X server, you will have to use XComposite |
| 21:17.55 | Renze | Pinaraf: rephrase: so X still uses xcomposite to blend AIGLX rendered portions onto the display? |
| 21:18.31 | Pinaraf | xcomposite is "redirecting" the display to the composite manager |
| 21:18.57 | Renze | ah, so the xcomposite functionality is all external to the X server? |
| 21:19.11 | Pinaraf | it's internal. |
| 21:19.22 | Renze | you just said it redirects to the composite manager |
| 21:19.38 | Pinaraf | the X server redirects windows using the XComposite "protocol" |
| 21:19.44 | Renze | does it actually do any of the work, or does it just let the composite manager do it? |
| 21:19.51 | PhilRod | Steven_M: ah, I remember now |
| 21:19.51 | Pinaraf | it redirects everything to the composite manager |
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| 21:20.06 | Pinaraf | and then the CM can draw them using OpenGL, XRender, blast them... |
| 21:20.22 | Renze | so the functionality is external, and can use whatever rendering technique that is needed, be it opengl or xrender |
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| 21:20.34 | Steven_M | PhilRod: cool |
| 21:20.34 | Pinaraf | yes. |
| 21:20.54 | Pinaraf | that's why saying "Composite is slow", "Composite is outdated" is a stupidity. |
| 21:20.56 | Renze | I can see xrender being used much much less in the near future |
| 21:21.04 | Renze | I never said that |
| 21:21.08 | MaximLevitsky | so , this flash bug should be fixed, anyway , right ? |
| 21:21.18 | Pinaraf | [23:09:38] <Renze> MaximLevitsky: it is unlikely to be fixed as composite will very likely be replaced in the near future |
| 21:21.44 | Renze | Pinaraf: I said "composite", not "xcomposite extension" |
| 21:21.46 | Pinaraf | MaximLevitsky: it's an issue for adobe, not for X developers nor KDE developers... |
| 21:21.51 | Renze | composite managers come and go |
| 21:22.06 | Renze | xcompmgr is just waiting to die |
| 21:22.07 | Pinaraf | composite alone means the protocol and extension, not the CM. |
| 21:22.24 | Pinaraf | xcompmgr was more a proof of concept. |
| 21:22.39 | Renze | Pinaraf: I use "xcomposite" to refer to the protocol and extension... probably a bad habit brought on by using gentoo |
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| 21:23.08 | _zoomorfo_ | hello |
| 21:23.20 | MaximLevitsky | Don't know yet about composite, but Firefox displays flash correctly, so this must be some konqueror problem |
| 21:23.45 | Renze | anyway, MaximLevitsky, all the arguing aside... the bug is unlikely to be fixed because KDE still uses kompmgr (a fork of xcompmgr), and that won't be replaced until KDE4 |
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| 21:24.21 | Pinaraf | MaximLevitsky: it's a different behaviour for plugins then |
| 21:24.40 | Pinaraf | both should work. anyway, you should report the issue at adobe first |
| 21:24.49 | Pinaraf | unless any other plugin fail in konqueror off course. |
| 21:25.08 | _-InFeRnO-_ | Bye all |
| 21:25.23 | MaximLevitsky | ok, thanks, I learn a little bit more about composite |
| 21:26.40 | Pinaraf | Composite isn't the issue here |
| 21:27.02 | Pinaraf | I don't know how Firefox and Konqueror handle plugins |
| 21:27.07 | Pinaraf | there are several ways |
| 21:27.42 | Renze | MaximLevitsky: I assume flash in konq works fine if kompmgr isn't in use? |
| 21:27.54 | MaximLevitsky | yes, true |
| 21:27.55 | benJIman | it works fine with and without kompmgr here |
| 21:28.39 | Renze | never again... |
| 21:28.50 | Pinaraf | r300 ? |
| 21:28.52 | Pinaraf | r400 ? |
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| 21:29.17 | ile | hallo |
| 21:29.30 | Pinaraf | hallo |
| 21:29.32 | ile | i am using KUbuntu |
| 21:29.42 | Renze | r300 |
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| 21:30.00 | Pinaraf | Renze: aren't the free drivers enough for you ? |
| 21:30.09 | Renze | Pinaraf: not if I want accelerated 3D |
| 21:30.13 | ile | can you tell me how to set up applet for my internet connection? |
| 21:30.28 | Pinaraf | they accelerate 3D since more than 6 months... |
| 21:30.39 | Renze | Pinaraf: on a Radeon 9600? |
| 21:30.42 | Pinaraf | yes |
| 21:30.58 | Renze | and composite doesn't look like shit in a blender? |
| 21:31.15 | Pinaraf | on a Radeon X700 too (but I really need good energy management, only available in fglrx :/) |
| 21:31.19 | Pinaraf | I suppose. |
| 21:31.37 | ile | Pinaraf can you help me |
| 21:31.39 | Renze | last time I tried the OSS driver, I got no accelerated 3D |
| 21:31.54 | Pinaraf | ile: can you explain your question a bit ? |
| 21:32.00 | Pinaraf | what do you mean with applet ? |
| 21:32.13 | ile | an icon in the systray |
| 21:32.24 | ponto | Hi, does anyone know how to disable sound visualisation in kaffeine |
| 21:32.28 | Pinaraf | you want an icon for network management only ? |
| 21:32.42 | ile | for the network connection |
| 21:32.48 | ile | internet connection |
| 21:32.49 | Pinaraf | install knetworkmanager then |
| 21:33.21 | benJIman | or knemo if you just want monitoring/ |
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| 21:33.42 | ile | i want those computers in the systray :) |
| 21:34.10 | ile | that are reffering to the internet connection |
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| 21:34.44 | cassidy | hey guys, can somone tell me how to switch from gdm to kdm in ubuntu? |
| 21:34.58 | benJIman | sounds like an ubuntu question |
| 21:34.58 | rr72 | install kubuntu |
| 21:35.05 | rr72 | get rid of ubuntu |
| 21:35.31 | ile | so should i get knemo ili knetworkmanager? |
| 21:35.54 | cassidy | i have kubuntu installed but idk how to switch, i have gdm and kdm both installed as well |
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| 21:36.12 | halcyonCorsair | can anyone remember where i can turn on the system tray icon for konversation? |
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| 21:37.36 | halcyonCorsair | ah, nevermind, got it finally |
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| 21:43.21 | Renze | halcyonCorsair: Behaviour -> General |
| 21:43.28 | Renze | ah, too late :D |
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| 21:45.41 | ile_ | Pinaraf, i installed knetworkamanager but i did'n got the little computers I wanted |
| 21:46.04 | Pinaraf | did you launch it ? (alt+f2 => knetworkmanager for instance...) |
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| 21:46.47 | ile_ | aha |
| 21:46.53 | ile_ | i did now :) |
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| 21:47.21 | ile_ | it won't launch on it's on when i start the system? |
| 21:47.38 | Renze | it will if you save your session while it's running |
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| 21:48.13 | Renze | usually done by logging out, or "dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession" |
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| 21:48.44 | ile_ | is this a replacement for the two computers |
| 21:48.50 | ile_ | the icon is different |
| 21:49.03 | Renze | you're probably used to knemo rather than knetworkmanager |
| 21:49.18 | ile_ | i'll try that one now |
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| 21:52.16 | ile_ | it was knemo |
| 21:52.17 | ile_ | :) |
| 21:52.21 | ile_ | tnx man |
| 21:53.40 | Renze | no problem |
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| 21:57.24 | MaximLevitsky | Ok I did some search on google and this what I found: there are three extensions to X that allow window composing: DAMAGE - tracks changing of regions of screen. COMPOSITE - redirects output of windows to composite manger and RENDER - extensions that allows to output blended images. |
| 21:58.03 | MaximLevitsky | So , those extensions will be present in Xgl too ? |
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| 22:01.44 | HomeRoey | od israelim |
| 22:01.47 | HomeRoey | yala |
| 22:01.55 | HomeRoey | MaximLevitsky: hi |
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| 22:12.47 | Toran | Hi guys, Just curious- is there a way to get smooth scrolling in all kde apps? (Like in firefox with smooth scrolling enabled) |
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| 22:15.24 | padde | i hate smooth scrolling |
| 22:15.40 | islam_ | As Salaam e laikum (meaning: May Peace b on u) . http://www.submission.org/ ... Your source for Islam (submission) on the internet. |
| 22:15.43 | islam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.45 | islam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.56 | PhilRod | bah, didn't reach ops quick enough |
| 22:16.05 | Renze | gotta love those spammers, or something |
| 22:17.06 | Renze | hmmm... now using opensource radeon driver... still no direct rendering. what have I missed... |
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| 22:18.18 | Renze | oh well, I'll sort it out later |
| 22:18.44 | killzone | is there any setting to make Konqueror (3.5.4) close tabs when you double click them? |
| 22:20.40 | teatime | I doubt it |
| 22:21.06 | MaximLevitsky | Now I sure that composite and damage will be used in XGL , render will not be used because compiz renders images using OpenGL |
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| 22:24.07 | WanderingDavi | Running kde3.5.4 on fc5. I want kmail to download from my different accounts into different folders, but it's putting everything in "Local Folders" instead of an isolated folder for the account. |
| 22:24.10 | WanderingDavi | What to do? |
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| 22:24.38 | thiago | are they POP3 accounts? |
| 22:24.49 | WanderingDavi | thiago, yep |
| 22:25.31 | thiago | WanderingDavi: there's a "Destination folder" in the POP3 properties dialog of the account |
| 22:25.49 | WanderingDavi | thiago, the only option is "inbox" |
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| 22:27.15 | thiago | WanderingDavi: have you added more folders? |
| 22:27.49 | WanderingDavi | Can't figure out how to add another top level folder. |
| 22:29.11 | thiago | right-click on Local Folders and select "New subfolder" |
| 22:29.37 | WanderingDavi | That doesn't create something top level |
| 22:29.56 | thiago | yes, it's top-level |
| 22:30.03 | thiago | Local Folders doesn't count |
| 22:30.08 | thiago | it's a virtual root |
| 22:30.15 | WanderingDavi | Gotcha |
| 22:30.23 | thiago | it's like saying "com" isn't a Top Level Domain because there's a dot after it |
| 22:30.57 | WanderingDavi | I don't think that's quite an appropriate metafore, but I can work with it now |
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| 22:36.13 | obseleron | ok, i reported this to the wishlist http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134720 |
| 22:36.46 | obseleron | a very minor thing, but i think it could be useful to have kmail/kontact combo behave in that way in that particular section |
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| 22:37.42 | andersin | hi. does anyone for some reason has k3b installed on a system without a cd burner and could try to reproduce http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90561 |
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| 22:47.20 | pfo | i want to add an item to my graphics view widget at the current cursor position ... how do i obtain the cursor position? |
| 22:49.32 | MaximLevitsky | Just one thing , I just found that M$ stole idea of composing manger so vi$ta have a DWM , "desktop(composing) window manger". |
| 22:50.12 | MaximLevitsky | Finally M$ starts to use our LINUX/UNIX technologies |
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| 22:52.48 | vesuv | MaximLevitsky: Oh, yeah? |
| 22:52.54 | wallshot | finally, huh? |
| 22:53.04 | wallshot | you don't think windows 3.x was a bit of a ripoff of X windows? |
| 22:53.08 | wallshot | i mean |
| 22:53.11 | wallshot | a GUI... |
| 22:53.22 | wallshot | icons and window borders and title bars |
| 22:53.26 | vesuv | I actually ment, since when it's our Linux? Wouldn't it be strange, if it belonged to somebody? ,) |
| 22:53.52 | MaximLevitsky | I do know that GDI and X system are _very_ simular |
| 22:54.19 | MaximLevitsky | Before long time I learned whole GDI |
| 22:55.04 | MaximLevitsky | Now when I read X manuals I see striking similarity |
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| 22:56.21 | MaximLevitsky | And I think that X was developed _before_ windows , at least before windows 2.0 |
| 22:56.36 | wallshot | that's one way to figure that out |
| 22:57.31 | wallshot | or there's history |
| 22:58.15 | wallshot | X was created 1984, windows 1.0 in 1985 |
| 22:58.40 | wallshot | win 2 was 1987 |
| 22:58.52 | MaximLevitsky | September 15, 1987 - X11 , November, 1987 M$ windows - according to wikipedia |
| 22:59.06 | MaximLevitsky | M$ windows 2.0 |
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| 23:00.00 | wallshot | gotta love wikipedia |
| 23:00.02 | wallshot | soooo |
| 23:00.09 | wallshot | ms has always been borrowing ideas |
| 23:00.10 | WanderingDavi | thiago, What's the difference between imap and disconnected imap? Can't find information in kmail documentation |
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| 23:00.12 | wallshot | it's nothing new :) |
| 23:00.36 | smileaf | WanderingDavi: disconnected imap you can read emails when your not connected to the net. |
| 23:00.56 | smileaf | or at least have no connection to the imap server |
| 23:00.59 | WanderingDavi | smileaf, if I delete them, when I connect again will they get deleted from server? |
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| 23:01.07 | smileaf | WanderingDavi: that's the idea. |
| 23:01.19 | Renze | wallshot: borrowing? stealing :) |
| 23:01.31 | WanderingDavi | smileaf, that was my guess, and what I want ^_^ ty |
| 23:01.40 | smileaf | true.. the word borrowing implies giving back at some point :) |
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| 23:05.25 | smileaf | WanderingDavi: be sure to keep a backup tho. apparently it's got a history of being rather unstable which could result in a dataloss. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104956 |
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| 23:10.18 | WanderingDavi | smileaf, would having a filter that copies everything to a local maildir folder be good enough? |
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| 23:11.34 | thiago | WanderingDavi: dimap keeps a cache of all emails in your local computer |
| 23:11.51 | thiago | it only contacts the IMAP server to update the cache (fetch new emails, mark as read, delete, etc.) |
| 23:12.02 | thiago | online IMAP contacts the server all of the time, for all operations |
| 23:12.50 | WanderingDavi | thiago, if I'm using oIMAP and I don't have net access, will I be able to read email at all? |
| 23:13.07 | smileaf | nope :( |
| 23:14.04 | smileaf | but then again you could always just use a filter but what's the use of having imap then, might as well do pop3(if possible) |
| 23:14.37 | WanderingDavi | smileaf, pop isn't available |
| 23:15.26 | wallshot | maybe you can use fetchmail if you're offline |
| 23:15.29 | wallshot | it may do imap |
| 23:15.38 | wallshot | well use it on brief online periods that is |
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| 23:19.04 | NthDegree | hey peeps what's the graphics app for KDE? |
| 23:19.14 | PhilRod | what sort of graphics? |
| 23:19.16 | Renze | krita ? |
| 23:19.20 | Renze | karbon14 ? |
| 23:19.26 | NthDegree | the equivalent to GIMP |
| 23:19.27 | obseleron | scribus ? |
| 23:19.32 | obseleron | kolourpaint ? |
| 23:19.34 | obseleron | oh |
| 23:19.35 | obseleron | hmm |
| 23:19.43 | Renze | that's krita |
| 23:19.51 | obseleron | yeah |
| 23:19.53 | Renze | but it's got some way to go to catch up to Gimp |
| 23:21.43 | smileaf | s/emerge/install/ |
| 23:21.46 | smileaf | =p |
| 23:22.04 | NthDegree | yeah i'm in kubuntu right now i just realised lol |
| 23:22.17 | MaximLevitsky | Hey , I found on web how to make konq display flash witch composite |
| 23:22.19 | NthDegree | but both share same settings and DE so it's hard to tell sometimes lol |
| 23:22.51 | MaximLevitsky | seeting XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 before konqueror launch fixes this |
| 23:23.06 | MaximLevitsky | XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 konqueror |
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| 23:23.43 | Renze | smileaf: pointy |
| 23:23.59 | smileaf | Renze: pointy? |
| 23:24.05 | Renze | the ends of the K |
| 23:24.17 | smileaf | Renze: it's a killer ;) |
| 23:24.36 | smileaf | pun intended. |
| 23:24.42 | Renze | I guessed :D |
| 23:27.44 | Renze | don't really want to switch back to fglrx... more trouble than it's worth |
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| 23:29.56 | MaximLevitsky | and guees what , XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 is set for firefox too! |
| 23:30.27 | MaximLevitsky | suse, suse, suse , they forget that firefox is not alone. |
| 23:33.38 | MaximLevitsky | the above should be put to konqueror manual on kde.com , because I found XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 only as a solution for firefox |
| 23:33.57 | smileaf | kde.org* |
| 23:34.09 | MaximLevitsky | sure |
| 23:34.34 | MaximLevitsky | instead of just saying : if you have trouble with flash , _just_ disable composite |
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| 23:43.42 | dnial | in trying to get kde going via startx,and i get this: kbuildsycoca running... |
| 23:43.48 | dnial | what to do? |
| 23:44.03 | Renze | kbuildsycoca never finishes? |
| 23:44.15 | Renze | check your ~/.xsession-errors |
| 23:44.38 | Renze | no error messages on the console? |
| 23:46.46 | dnial | yes.. |
| 23:47.01 | dnial | waiting for X server to shut down kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed |
| 23:47.34 | dnial | kdeinit: sending SIGHUP to children. |
| 23:47.50 | dnial | klauncher: Exiting on signal 1 |
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| 23:48.34 | smileaf | fatal io error? ~/.kde have write permissions? you have free space on your drive? |
| 23:48.34 | dnial | waiting for X server to shut down kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed |
| 23:48.55 | Renze | permissions on /var/tmp/kdecache-<username> ? |
| 23:49.43 | dnial | q/dev/hda4 55G 2.1G 53G 4% / |
| 23:50.17 | dnial | drwx------ 3 dnial users 168 Sep 26 06:05 .kde |
| 23:51.16 | dnial | kde,and xfce work...but blackbox does. |
| 23:51.27 | dnial | does not... |
| 23:51.32 | Renze | distro? |
| 23:51.37 | Renze | how did you install kde? |
| 23:51.37 | dnial | gentoo |
| 23:51.47 | dnial | portage |
| 23:51.48 | Renze | gentoo here too... no problems at all |
| 23:52.05 | dnial | wow.. |
| 23:52.08 | smileaf | same here |
| 23:52.25 | Renze | dnial: portage isn't enough info... emerge kde-meta? emerge kde? emerge kdebase-startkde? |
| 23:52.27 | smileaf | last I knew they used a symlink for .kde |
| 23:52.40 | dnial | emerge kdebase |
| 23:52.41 | Renze | they do |
| 23:52.50 | smileaf | dnial's isn't? |
| 23:52.52 | dnial | i need startkde? |
| 23:53.01 | smileaf | dnial: kdebase includes startkde |
| 23:53.12 | Renze | dnial: I don't know what packages emerge kdebase pulls in, but it's not a complete install of kde |
| 23:53.47 | smileaf | dnial: what's your ~ permissions? |
| 23:53.51 | Renze | it should be enough, though |
| 23:54.45 | dnial | smileaf, what command to deterime that? |
| 23:54.52 | smileaf | ls -ld ~ |
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| 23:55.15 | dnial | drwx------ 7 root root 496 Sep 26 15:41 /root |
| 23:55.32 | Renze | your user, not root |
| 23:55.36 | smileaf | so your trying to run kde as root? |
| 23:55.44 | dnial | drwxr-xr-x 4 dnial users 416 Sep 26 15:32 /home/dnial |
| 23:56.17 | smileaf | ls -ld /var/tmp/kdecache-dnial ? |
| 23:56.40 | dnial | drwx------ 2 dnial users 104 Sep 26 14:26 /var/tmp/kdecache-dnial |
| 23:58.10 | smileaf | hmm |
| 23:58.36 | dnial | its killing me... |
| 23:58.49 | smileaf | this a new install I take it? |
| 23:58.57 | dnial | Yes. |
