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| 00:05.54 | Theory | mmm focus follows mind |
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| 00:06.51 | Sutoka | thats focus under mouse |
| 00:08.05 | Sutoka | well like if you press alt+f2 and have the mouse over a window, but not in the space where the run dialog pops up the run dialog will flash and get focus just a moment, and then it will go to the window the mouse is over |
| 00:09.11 | Sutoka | it looks like the other window will have focus for the length of the 'delay focus' |
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| 00:20.03 | xtracto | hello, I am trying the change the kpanel icons size(ubuntu 6.06) |
| 00:20.21 | xtracto | I already moved the main kpanel to the right of my screen and modified its size |
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| 00:20.46 | xtracto | but now the icons are quite big (the Kmenu,System menu and two icons) |
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| 00:21.25 | xtracto | I woudl like to have several small application icons in a similar way to the windows quicklaunch bar |
| 00:21.43 | xtracto | is that possible? |
| 00:22.08 | alsuren_ | xtract try the quicklaunch applet |
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| 00:23.14 | alsuren_ | in 3.5.x, it's far superior to windows' quicklaunch in that you can set it to auto-assign frequently used programs |
| 00:24.06 | xtracto | yah, I got it |
| 00:24.09 | xtracto | sweet |
| 00:24.30 | xtracto | I stll dont like that the Kmenu and system menu are taking 1/5 of my bar |
| 00:24.40 | xtracto | thanks :) |
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| 00:25.01 | alsuren_ | also, I recommend having the desktop pager set to one row, because it makes it bigger so yu can actually use it |
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| 00:25.07 | StellarPrince | hi, how can I add a button to my kde desktop, to see the desktop? |
| 00:25.18 | StellarPrince | to my kde main menu |
| 00:25.28 | StellarPrince | Painel Menu |
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| 00:25.56 | StellarPrince | the button when we click it, all the applications minimizes and we can see the desktop |
| 00:26.05 | alsuren_ | xtracto: and set the taskbar so that it only shows windows on the current desktop |
| 00:26.16 | xtracto | yep I have that |
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| 00:26.23 | Sutoka | StellarPrince: right mouse click on panel -> add applet to panel -> then add "Show Desktop" |
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| 00:27.04 | alsuren_ | interesting that we have a lot of people asking about panel aplets today |
| 00:27.12 | xtracto | haha |
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| 00:28.44 | xtracto | ok, thanks for your help alsuren |
| 00:28.44 | StellarPrince | thanks =) |
| 00:28.48 | xtracto | good nie |
| 00:28.49 | xtracto | nite |
| 00:30.34 | StellarPrince | and how can I make the bars of the apps to disappear when I click in another desktop |
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| 00:32.38 | StellarPrince | the bars bellow |
| 00:33.06 | StellarPrince | when I click in desktop 2 the apps minimize but the bars still there |
| 00:33.42 | lunitik | StellarPrince: you want taskbar entries only for current desktop? |
| 00:33.47 | StellarPrince | yes |
| 00:34.34 | alsuren_ | config panel taskbar untick the top box |
| 00:35.09 | alsuren_ | warning: if a window requests attention on another desktop, you may not notice it |
| 00:35.47 | StellarPrince | thanks |
| 00:35.50 | StellarPrince | now it's fine |
| 00:35.59 | lunitik | alsuren_: why the warning? thats kinda expected |
| 00:36.04 | alsuren_ | but configure notifications kwin lets you add a message box for that |
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| 00:38.12 | suma | is there is any front end to configure caching-nameserver with KDE ? |
| 00:38.15 | alsuren_ | I found myself missing out on a lot of error messges and kopete conversations |
| 00:39.27 | lunitik | alsuren_: Kopete will pop up a message box automagically by default even if Kopete simply doesn't have focus but is on current desktop |
| 00:39.51 | alsuren_ | suma: doesn't strike me as really kde's job |
| 00:40.46 | suma | alsuren_: If there is a front end app for kde to config caching nameserver it will be easy to config |
| 00:40.55 | alsuren_ | lunitik: might have been in the 0.8 branch |
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| 00:41.20 | alsuren_ | suma: if there's a command line one, it will probably be even easier |
| 00:41.25 | Theory | why do you want to run a caching nameserver on a machine with kde installed? |
| 00:41.43 | Theory | (in particular name*server*, and kde being more of a client environment) |
| 00:42.15 | suma | Theory: i already installed KDE, I'm not much more familier with linux, thought that will easier to configure if I get any of the KDE app |
| 00:42.24 | lunitik | alsuren_: yeah... I started seeing it in 0.11 |
| 00:43.00 | alsuren_ | lunitik: but kmail still has trouble telling me about server timeouts unless I set up knotify correctly |
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| 00:58.41 | StellarPrince | I have the web server running |
| 00:58.51 | StellarPrince | anyone can tell me if this works: http://83.132.186.158:8001/ |
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| 01:11.02 | Jucato | happy birthday KDE :) |
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| 01:49.33 | mbiesz | does anyone here know if there is some repository with the preliminary Oxygen icons for KDE? |
| 01:50.03 | mbiesz | ... or if there's at least some complete icon theme without the fluorescent cartoon look. |
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| 02:00.49 | Sutoka | mbiesz: part of Oxygen is in the KDE SVN |
| 02:01.49 | Sutoka | mbiesz: every week more icons are added to SVN, and often previously added icons get improved |
| 02:02.13 | Sutoka | artists don't seem to be the biggest svn users out there |
| 02:03.45 | mbiesz | Sutoka, cool -- checking it out |
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| 02:33.43 | Jejem | 'night [/amsg] |
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| 02:34.12 | King_Brad | how would i go about configureing xdmcp to allow remote logins? |
| 02:35.02 | Schalken | is there some application to allow buying of the iTunes music store? |
| 02:35.21 | Schalken | i remember seeing one for Gnome but can't remember what it was... |
| 02:35.36 | King_Brad | how can i check my KDE version? |
| 02:36.53 | Sutoka | King_Brad: either in a kde app go to help -> about kde |
| 02:36.55 | Sutoka | or... |
| 02:37.44 | Sutoka | King_Brad: run 'kde-config --version' and the KDE: line is the KDE version |
| 02:38.08 | King_Brad | 3.5.2 |
| 02:38.14 | King_Brad | hrm |
| 02:38.20 | King_Brad | time to upgrade i'd say |
| 02:38.24 | Schalken | King_Brad: what distro are you using? |
| 02:38.31 | Sutoka | only a few minor releases behind |
| 02:38.34 | King_Brad | kubuntu |
| 02:38.58 | Sutoka | now if you were running 3.3.2... *cough*debian-stable-users*cough* |
| 02:39.05 | King_Brad | hehehe |
| 02:39.12 | King_Brad | what fun is a "stable" disto? |
| 02:39.19 | King_Brad | i like testing or unstable. |
| 02:39.27 | Schalken | Sutoka: you mean 3.6 is out??? |
| 02:39.36 | King_Brad | 3.5.5 is out |
| 02:39.49 | Sutoka | Schalken: ok bug fix releases, if you want to get technical |
| 02:40.01 | King_Brad | so, any ideas on the xdmcp question i had? |
| 02:40.08 | Sutoka | except 'bug fix' would be a misnomer for them |
| 02:40.14 | Schalken | Sutoka: ah, yes, just a few micro releases behind ;) |
| 02:40.22 | Sutoka | King_Brad: theres probably a kubuntu way, maybe on their wiki |
| 02:40.49 | King_Brad | lol |
| 02:40.59 | King_Brad | i doubt it |
| 02:41.11 | King_Brad | yea |
| 02:41.19 | King_Brad | i just really like the remote desktop thing |
| 02:41.23 | King_Brad | looked really cool |
| 02:41.28 | Sutoka | NX = remote desktop also |
| 02:41.29 | Schalken | isnt XDMCP built into X? |
| 02:41.33 | King_Brad | yes |
| 02:41.46 | Sutoka | but far better if you're not on a very fast lan |
| 02:41.47 | King_Brad | but to make it allow outside connections you have to configure some stuff |
| 02:41.59 | Sutoka | xdmcp is disabled by default |
| 02:42.11 | King_Brad | yes |
| 02:42.22 | King_Brad | i would like to enable it and make it allow remote connections |
| 02:42.34 | Schalken | Sutoka: i gnome i just go system>admin>login anc check allow remote login |
| 02:42.37 | King_Brad | i have a nix box setup in my workshop that i want to use xdmcp with |
| 02:42.54 | King_Brad | hehe gnome, that dont work inkde.... tried it |
| 02:42.59 | King_Brad | or |
| 02:43.11 | King_Brad | atleast not in kubuntu kde |
| 02:43.12 | Sutoka | Schalken: that enables xdmcp? |
| 02:43.22 | Sutoka | xdmcp is independent of gnome & kde |
| 02:43.58 | Schalken | Sutoka: it should, but i havent tried it because this is the only computer in this house |
| 02:44.24 | Sutoka | King_Brad: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-80044.html <-- maybe that |
| 02:44.27 | King_Brad | why does KDE crash so often on me? |
| 02:44.35 | Sutoka | King_Brad: kubuntu ;-) |
| 02:44.45 | King_Brad | normally only does it when i got 15 or 20 things going on |
| 02:44.58 | Sutoka | do you have only a little ram and tiny/no swap? |
| 02:45.05 | Schalken | some say kubuntu is a little buggy |
| 02:45.11 | King_Brad | no, did it in debian, gentoo and knoppix |
| 02:45.24 | Sutoka | bad hardware maybe |
| 02:45.25 | King_Brad | 256mb ram |
| 02:45.35 | King_Brad | not sure of swap size |
| 02:45.35 | King_Brad | nah |
| 02:45.35 | Sutoka | sounds like ram issues |
| 02:45.36 | King_Brad | good hardware |
| 02:45.42 | King_Brad | might be running it outta ram |
| 02:45.48 | Sutoka | bad ram = totally random crashes |
| 02:45.51 | Schalken | King_Brad: i recon if u polug in another 256 it should be fine |
| 02:45.53 | King_Brad | i like to run a thousand programs at once |
| 02:46.11 | Sutoka | King_Brad: check in KInfoCenter (memory page) |
| 02:46.22 | King_Brad | what am i looking for? |
| 02:46.31 | King_Brad | 423mb total swap |
| 02:46.34 | Sutoka | King_Brad: Application Data and Used Swap |
| 02:46.35 | Schalken | King_Brad: RAM/Memory |
| 02:46.37 | King_Brad | 368mb free |
| 02:46.46 | King_Brad | 248 total physical |
| 02:46.50 | Sutoka | King_Brad: Disk Cache / Disk Buffers is pretty much free mem |
| 02:46.55 | King_Brad | 17mb free physical |
| 02:47.08 | King_Brad | disk buffers 6.48mb |
| 02:47.16 | King_Brad | disk cache 88.61mb |
| 02:47.18 | Schalken | King_Brad: well you're putting your swap to use, thats for sure |
| 02:47.25 | King_Brad | heheh |
| 02:47.49 | King_Brad | only 90 "tasks" as top calls them |
| 02:47.53 | Schalken | King_Brad: i have a gig and never used my swap, its wasted disk space as far as im concerned ;) |
| 02:48.04 | Schalken | (jk) |
| 02:48.06 | Sutoka | im using swap right now and i have a gig of memory |
| 02:48.09 | King_Brad | i agree, but im broke, so i cant get this pc over 1gig ram |
| 02:48.14 | Sutoka | though compiling KDE takes crap loads of memory |
| 02:48.25 | Sutoka | 114 processes :-D |
| 02:48.25 | King_Brad | i'd rather put my money into my gaming pc |
| 02:48.32 | Schalken | Sutoka: wow i can imagine |
| 02:48.36 | King_Brad | no need for loads of ram on a "workstation" |
| 02:48.43 | King_Brad | well |
| 02:48.49 | King_Brad | in most cases there isnt |
| 02:48.51 | Sutoka | depends on your work |
| 02:48.59 | Schalken | if you want to run lots and lots a programs at once there is |
| 02:49.14 | King_Brad | hehe, i do chatting, surfing, torrents.... |
| 02:49.24 | Sutoka | or if you want to use open office and firefox at the same time ;-) |
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| 02:49.27 | King_Brad | remote admin of other nix box |
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| 02:49.54 | King_Brad | hehe, how bout thunderbird, firefox, konquerer all at the same time |
| 02:50.10 | King_Brad | thats what i got open atm |
| 02:50.26 | King_Brad | along with, konversation, adept, krdc and kinfocenter |
| 02:50.34 | King_Brad | on this desktop |
| 02:50.57 | Schalken | King_Brad: thats not so bad, throw a bit of blender and software compilation and kdevelop in there and you might push it |
| 02:51.09 | Sutoka | konversation, konqueror, konqueror, konqueror (all with LOADS of tabs), kuroo, kinfocenter, gaim, amarok |
| 02:51.24 | King_Brad | nice |
| 02:51.37 | King_Brad | yea, i cant compile anything, i always end up fucking somethin up |
| 02:51.38 | King_Brad | lol |
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| 02:52.04 | Sutoka | Gentoo makes compiling stuff as easy as 'apt-get install foobar' |
| 02:52.04 | Schalken | King_Brad: you noramally have to download lots of -dev (developer) packages |
| 02:52.10 | King_Brad | yea |
| 02:52.25 | Sutoka | though im gonna guess your processor isn't... shall we say, top of the line |
| 02:52.32 | King_Brad | dont like that idea, i only got 10g of hdd, ..... with like 5 or 6g free |
| 02:52.39 | King_Brad | 1ghz |
| 02:52.39 | Sutoka | so... it /might/ take a while to even update stuff |
| 02:52.48 | Sutoka | oh thats not that bad |
| 02:52.56 | King_Brad | this pc is a dell optiplex gx150 i got from a hospital |
| 02:53.08 | Sutoka | but since even on really fast stuff it takes forever to setup gentoo, that will be quite a long install |
| 02:53.12 | King_Brad | i wonder if they noticed its missing? |
| 02:53.14 | Sutoka | lol |
| 02:53.23 | Sutoka | they may be laughing at the sucker that took it |
| 02:53.32 | King_Brad | yea, the gentoo install took around 9 hrs total |
| 02:53.35 | King_Brad | on this pc |
| 02:53.38 | Sutoka | thats all? |
| 02:53.41 | King_Brad | yes |
| 02:53.42 | Sutoka | wow |
| 02:53.57 | Sutoka | what all did you install? |
| 02:54.06 | Sutoka | all the way to kde? or only a minimal system? |
| 02:54.08 | King_Brad | basic stuff |
| 02:54.12 | King_Brad | gnome, office |
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| 02:54.19 | King_Brad | firefox |
| 02:54.20 | Schalken | are you talking about an install where you compile EVERYTHING? |
| 02:54.24 | Sutoka | did you compile openoffice, or use openoffice-bin? |
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| 02:54.36 | King_Brad | the installer did all the compileing |
| 02:54.39 | King_Brad | i just told it what to install |
| 02:54.40 | Sutoka | last time i tried to compile openoffice i stopped it at 7 hours |
| 02:55.06 | Sutoka | Gentoo is pretty simple to use, it just takes LOTS of patience |
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| 02:55.34 | Sutoka | openoffice takes longer to compile then all of KDE for me |
| 02:55.44 | stoned | fuck openoffice |
| 02:55.46 | King_Brad | yea, i used it for about a week, then got tired of waiting 2hrs while it installed the 1mb program i wanted to use |
| 02:55.47 | Sutoka | i could probably throw most of KOffice into the mix as well |
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| 02:56.16 | Sutoka | stoned: and thats why i unmerged it instead of updating (IF i ever need it again, ill just install the bin) |
| 02:56.29 | stoned | fuck ooo to begin with |
| 02:56.34 | stoned | abiword does just fine |
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| 02:56.46 | King_Brad | i was learning about setting up clusters when i installed gentoo |
| 02:56.52 | Sutoka | kwrite does just fine for me most of the time ^^ |
| 02:56.52 | stoned | kword screwes up some files |
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| 02:57.04 | King_Brad | but quickly found out i had to recompile the kernel to make it work with openmosix |
| 02:57.13 | King_Brad | so i quickly forgot about clusters... |
| 02:57.22 | Sutoka | heh, kernel recompiles aren't that bad |
| 02:57.37 | King_Brad | the whole "compile" thing is what scared me |
| 02:57.42 | King_Brad | oh, and the word "kernel" |
| 02:57.53 | King_Brad | those 2 words in the same sentence scare the hell outta me |
| 02:58.01 | King_Brad | thats like saying "lets install windows again!" |
| 02:58.44 | King_Brad | so, now i am learning about thinclients |
| 02:59.05 | King_Brad | thats holding my intrest pretty well,.... more then wine did |
| 02:59.06 | Sutoka | i enjoy updating the kernel and going through every option in menuconfig |
| 02:59.15 | King_Brad | i dont understand the options |
| 02:59.16 | King_Brad | lol |
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| 02:59.36 | Sutoka | i didn't have a clue what they meant when i used to run Fedora |
| 02:59.42 | King_Brad | yuk |
| 02:59.45 | Sutoka | but i had to learn when i switched to Gentoo... or i'd die |
| 02:59.47 | King_Brad | i wont ever install that pos |
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| 03:00.10 | Sutoka | same... unfortunately back when that was the only distro i had used i helped 2 friends install it on their computers |
| 03:00.15 | Sutoka | so now i gotta support them using it |
| 03:00.24 | King_Brad | lol |
| 03:00.31 | Sutoka | and i think they're close to the end of fedora-legacy by now |
| 03:00.37 | King_Brad | the first nix disto i ever used was redhat 6 i think it was |
| 03:00.42 | King_Brad | still got the cd around here somewheres |
| 03:00.54 | Sutoka | my very first was mandrake 7.1... i still have the box somewhere |
| 03:01.11 | Sutoka | my video card crapped out on it, the next was redhat 9 several years later |
| 03:01.12 | King_Brad | back then, linux was very hard to use |
| 03:01.18 | King_Brad | its gotten alot eaiser... |
| 03:01.52 | Sutoka | unfortunately most distros still aren't very end user friendly |
| 03:02.12 | King_Brad | yea, thats why i use kubuntu , ubuntu, and debian |
| 03:02.17 | King_Brad | they are easy to use... |
| 03:02.20 | Sutoka | something more like gentoo where there isn't 'releases' would be nice |
| 03:03.03 | King_Brad | man, im tired as hell tonight |
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| 03:03.08 | King_Brad | i worked to hard today at work |
| 03:03.15 | stoned | too hard too |
| 03:03.27 | stoned | 7am to 9pm |
| 03:03.28 | stoned | :( |
| 03:03.41 | King_Brad | 9am - 6pm |
| 03:03.46 | King_Brad | loading semi's :) |
| 03:03.51 | stoned | took two cigarette breaks |
| 03:03.54 | stoned | worked through my lunch |
| 03:03.58 | King_Brad | and not with a fork lift either |
| 03:04.10 | stoned | pretty much worked 13 hours |
| 03:04.14 | King_Brad | wow |
| 03:04.15 | King_Brad | no thx |
| 03:04.17 | King_Brad | hehe |
| 03:04.18 | stoned | every day |
| 03:04.25 | stoned | I get paid bi monthly |
| 03:04.27 | King_Brad | what do you do? |
| 03:04.37 | stoned | er.. biweekly |
| 03:04.39 | King_Brad | ah |
| 03:04.42 | King_Brad | i was gonna say |
| 03:04.42 | King_Brad | lol |
| 03:04.47 | stoned | whatever the fuck means twice in a month |
| 03:04.51 | stoned | damn dude fuck I'm baked |
| 03:04.54 | stoned | damn |
| 03:05.10 | King_Brad | what kind of work do you do? |
| 03:05.11 | stoned | and everypay check |
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| 03:05.23 | stoned | I get 1500-2000$ |
| 03:05.38 | King_Brad | i'd work 13hr days for that |
| 03:05.43 | King_Brad | i get $270 a week |
| 03:05.45 | stoned | I am however guranteed 950$ every two weeks on my salary |
| 03:05.45 | King_Brad | lol |
| 03:05.58 | stoned | everything else is commission |
| 03:06.01 | stoned | and over time |
| 03:06.07 | King_Brad | nice |
| 03:06.09 | stoned | overtime is only 5$ an hour |
| 03:06.10 | King_Brad | what do you do? |
| 03:06.16 | stoned | its a salary job, I don't qualify for overtime |
| 03:06.28 | stoned | but if you do it, they will pay you 5-6$ /hr |
| 03:06.28 | King_Brad | ^^ |
| 03:06.36 | stoned | I'm in sales |
| 03:06.40 | King_Brad | ah |
| 03:06.51 | King_Brad | outbound or inbound? |
| 03:06.54 | stoned | Sales Manager and Business Systems Consultant |
| 03:07.12 | stoned | ooh ahh, fucking huge titles for the job |
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| 03:07.32 | King_Brad | i had a bill collector call me wensday... at 9pm..... |
| 03:07.39 | King_Brad | she was crying when i hung up on her... |
| 03:07.41 | King_Brad | stupid bitch |
| 03:07.46 | stoned | I manage corporate accounts in a fortune 500 computer company |
| 03:07.58 | King_Brad | u work for microshaft? |
| 03:08.00 | stoned | yesterday I had an order from a data center |
| 03:08.10 | stoned | they wanted 250 servers and 500 processors |
| 03:08.15 | stoned | looking to cluster them |
| 03:08.19 | King_Brad | nice |
| 03:08.23 | stoned | that shit took me almost two days to close |
| 03:08.53 | King_Brad | brb |
| 03:09.00 | King_Brad | my server died :( damnit |
| 03:09.04 | stoned | hah |
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| 03:13.20 | King_Brad | hrm |
| 03:13.26 | King_Brad | box never restarted for some reason |
| 03:13.28 | King_Brad | just died |
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| 03:16.24 | cgranade | Have a question about KBluetooth... why is it that whenever I try to open a folder via OBEX FTP through Konq, it asks me what program I want to use to open a file of type "folder" instead of just opening said folder? |
| 03:16.43 | stoned | dude |
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| 03:16.48 | stoned | what the FUCK is bluetooth |
| 03:16.53 | stoned | I hear that everywhere |
| 03:16.56 | stoned | I sell it |
| 03:17.01 | King_Brad | lol |
| 03:17.02 | stoned | yet I have no idea, whatsoever |
| 03:17.03 | stoned | what it is |
| 03:17.08 | Zeek | lol |
| 03:17.14 | King_Brad | its like wireless |
| 03:17.17 | King_Brad | but better |
| 03:17.18 | stoned | I know that |
| 03:17.19 | King_Brad | and faster |
| 03:17.22 | King_Brad | well |
| 03:17.24 | stoned | but "bluetooth" |
| 03:17.25 | Sutoka | cgranade: whats the name of the folder? |
| 03:17.27 | stoned | what the fuck is it |
| 03:17.30 | King_Brad | then u know what bluetooth is |
| 03:17.32 | Sutoka | its like wireless |
| 03:17.33 | Sutoka | but slower |
| 03:17.35 | Sutoka | and shorter range |
| 03:17.39 | King_Brad | bluetooth is slower? |
| 03:17.39 | cgranade | I do like Bluetooth for managing files on my phone... |
| 03:17.42 | Sutoka | yes |
| 03:17.42 | cgranade | picture/ |
| 03:17.45 | Sutoka | its like usb 1.1 speeds |
| 03:17.51 | King_Brad | i thought it was faster |
| 03:17.53 | King_Brad | hrm |
| 03:17.56 | cgranade | King_Brad: It's designed for embedded devices. |
| 03:18.02 | King_Brad | yea |
| 03:18.06 | Sutoka | maybe comparable to 802.11b |
| 03:18.08 | King_Brad | and earphones for phones |
| 03:18.12 | cgranade | Also, there is Bluetooth EDR (enhanced data rate) that is kinda fast. |
| 03:18.26 | Sutoka | bluetooth often has bad security |
| 03:18.49 | Sutoka | i love it when they don't give you the device's PIN number (common practice for phones that have bluetooth it looks like) |
| 03:18.55 | Sutoka | and theres no way to find/change it on the phone |
| 03:19.04 | cgranade | Sutoka: I know. That said, short enough range, and not discoverable unless I press a button. |
| 03:19.21 | cgranade | Furthermore, the PIN number is set interactively. |
| 03:19.48 | cgranade | Obviously, still not the best security, but good enough for what I use the phone for. |
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| 03:19.52 | Sutoka | i've tried to find it on multiple phones so far, and they offer no way to set it |
| 03:20.06 | factor | does anyone have a workable version of kimagemapeditor |
| 03:20.16 | cgranade | The RAZR V3 lets you, but it doesn't support JSR82. |
| 03:20.20 | factor | it seems to be broken as of late |
| 03:21.25 | Sutoka | arg... vmware depends on openssl 0.9.7, but doesn't include it with the countless other libs that it comes with, and i have 9.8 on my system... |
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| 03:42.35 | Sutoka | wow... i think it would be quicker to reboot the entire computer than to wait while vmware starts (just the app, not even a vm inside of it!) |
| 03:45.10 | somekool | god I reallly like kspread but it still slow on calculation |
| 03:45.51 | somekool | whats the best desktop search out there for KDE ? |
| 03:46.09 | somekool | still got a wait for KDE4 ? or ... there is beagle and such, what's the best? |
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| 03:48.20 | Dr_willis | I imagine 'best' depends on your specific needs. |
| 03:48.38 | Sutoka | beagle or strigi maybe, i don't do 'desktop search' though |
| 03:48.43 | Sutoka | never got the whole craze |
| 03:48.48 | Dr_willis | locate works for me. :) |
| 03:48.59 | Sutoka | kio_locate :-D |
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| 04:06.07 | Shirakawasuna | hrm |
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| 04:06.22 | Shirakawasuna | as lots of people in here probably already know, net-im/kopete is now masked in portage :/ |
| 04:06.31 | Shirakawasuna | this annoys me! |
| 04:07.15 | Sutoka | well the version of kopete that comes with kde is now newer than net-im/kopete |
| 04:07.42 | Sutoka | kopete in kde 3.5.5 is 0.12.3, kopete in net-im/kopete is 0.12.2 |
| 04:07.49 | Sutoka | plus, you could always unmask it if you wanted |
| 04:08.08 | Sutoka | though its going to be removed |
| 04:08.19 | Sutoka | on november 12th |
| 04:12.19 | Shirakawasuna | yes but now I need kde-libs-3.5.5 to avoid downgrading kopete |
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| 04:12.49 | Sutoka | might as well upgrade to kde 3.5.5 |
| 04:13.22 | somekool | Shirakawasuna: cuz 0.12 got into kde, so we dont need the separate package anymroe |
| 04:13.43 | somekool | just for the sudo support in kdesu 3.5.5 is worth the compile |
| 04:13.47 | Shirakawasuna | yes but you see .12 is not in kde stable |
| 04:13.55 | Shirakawasuna | it's by no means a smooth transition |
| 04:14.20 | somekool | Sutoka: wow, precise. where does it state the date? |
| 04:14.27 | Sutoka | it was a pain to install net-im/kopete previously |
| 04:14.31 | Sutoka | somekool: hardmask info |
| 04:14.31 | Shirakawasuna | I will literally need to upgrade kdelibs and arts and deal with the kde-env blocking issue to upgrade - who knows how well *that* wll go over |
| 04:14.47 | Shirakawasuna | hmmm |
| 04:14.51 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: emerge --unmerge kde-env, then upgrade kdelibs |
| 04:14.54 | Sutoka | no problems for me |
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| 04:15.17 | Shirakawasuna | yes but are you using entirely ~arch kde? |
| 04:15.17 | Shirakawasuna | I'd be mixing |
| 04:15.23 | somekool | I upgraded my two gentoo system, did not had a single problem |
| 04:15.28 | Sutoka | now i am |
| 04:15.31 | Sutoka | previously i mixed |
| 04:15.42 | somekool | upgrading XOrg, this is painful, not KDE ;) |
| 04:15.45 | Sutoka | but its normally stable, so i decided to use ~x86 for kde |
| 04:16.00 | Shirakawasuna | I'm proud of my tiny package.keywords :) |
| 04:16.14 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: package.keywords can be a directory |
| 04:16.27 | Shirakawasuna | hmm, true |
| 04:16.29 | Shirakawasuna | bah, that's it! |
| 04:16.31 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: you could have package.keywords/misc and package.keywords/kde with all of kde |
| 04:16.44 | somekool | package.use rocks too |
| 04:16.44 | Shirakawasuna | I'm going to be ~arch kde *oooh* |
| 04:16.50 | Sutoka | theres a kde files floating around somewhere that you can download to ~ it all |
| 04:16.58 | Shirakawasuna | but only until 3.5.5 goes stable! |
| 04:17.18 | Sutoka | i have way too many use flags, i've been slowly removing as many as i can |
| 04:17.27 | somekool | Shirakawasuna: 3.5.5 IS stable. |
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| 04:17.32 | Sutoka | just today i removed all traces of gstreamer from my system :-D |
| 04:18.00 | Shirakawasuna | I mean the gentoo stable branch |
| 04:18.10 | Shirakawasuna | you never know what those gentoo devs are going to do :) |
| 04:18.25 | Shirakawasuna | Sutoka: cool, I did that a couple of weeks ago |
| 04:18.26 | Sutoka | i haven't had any problems with using ~ for kde |
| 04:18.52 | Shirakawasuna | yeah, it's been my experience that most people feel ~arch kde is an exception to the problems most ~arch things have |
| 04:18.59 | Shirakawasuna | I just like being stable |
| 04:19.40 | Sutoka | i think im probably the only linux user that chroots into a 64 bit install from inside of a 32bit one... |
| 04:20.02 | Shirakawasuna | I'm somewhat surprised that ktorrent isn't being incorporated into kde nowadays |
| 04:20.15 | Shirakawasuna | and yeah, that's weird Sutoka ;) |
| 04:20.34 | Sutoka | the people in #gentoo didn't think that was even possible, and the ones that thought it might be thought i was insane |
| 04:20.43 | Sutoka | i think the latter were correct... :-/ |
| 04:21.50 | Shirakawasuna | why are you doing it that way? |
| 04:22.38 | Sutoka | i had a 32bit system, upgraded the proc and got a 64bit one, didn't wanna reinstall |
| 04:22.56 | Sutoka | but i had an extra partition, so eventually decided to setup a 64bit one in it |
| 04:23.01 | Sutoka | and used that to make a 64bit kernel |
| 04:23.23 | Sutoka | so the kernel boots into the 32bit root, and if i need any 64bit goodness i can just run the 64bit app |
| 04:23.40 | Sutoka | since for most things 64bit-ness doesn't speed up apps, and only causes them to use more memory |
| 04:24.03 | Sutoka | i may try and swap them around when i upgrade to GCC 4.1 |
| 04:26.48 | Shirakawasuna | aww, you should reinstall ;) |
| 04:27.03 | Shirakawasuna | I've heard good things about amd64 |
| 04:27.37 | Shirakawasuna | the dependencies, they haunt me! |
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| 04:28.09 | Sutoka | i already have a 64bit install |
| 04:28.21 | Sutoka | hopefully there will be a win64codecs package though... |
| 04:28.34 | Shirakawasuna | that would be quite cool |
| 04:28.47 | Sutoka | can't wine run win64 apps? |
| 04:28.48 | Shirakawasuna | SOL for 32-bit flash, though |
| 04:29.07 | Shirakawasuna | not sure about wine |
| 04:29.08 | Sutoka | flash is an ancient version anyways |
| 04:29.12 | Shirakawasuna | I'm not sure why I still have it |
| 04:29.19 | Sutoka | they CLAIM there MAY be a 64bit version of flash 9 |
| 04:29.21 | Shirakawasuna | the 'new' flash isn't supposed to have it either |
| 04:29.31 | Shirakawasuna | for linux? |
| 04:29.35 | Sutoka | yeah |
| 04:29.48 | Sutoka | though when flash 9 comes out for linux, flash 10 is going to start coming out for windows |
| 04:30.10 | Shirakawasuna | I read this sometimes: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ |
| 04:30.18 | Sutoka | too bad the fsf didn't support gplflash instead of just taking a public domain project and gpl'ing it (gnash) |
| 04:31.02 | Shirakawasuna | http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/about_sixtyfour.html |
| 04:31.59 | Shirakawasuna | is flash actually that hard to reverse engineer or is it just that no one cares? :) |
| 04:32.30 | villr[_]ye | yes |
| 04:32.30 | Sutoka | heh, theres a beta of flash for windows vista, but they're not releasing the linux beta yet |
| 04:33.21 | qupada | i wish they'd hurry up about it, so i can ditch the 32 bit firefox for good |
| 04:33.39 | Shirakawasuna | Sutoka: how cool is kde-3.5.5 by the way? |
| 04:33.51 | Shirakawasuna | I'm using 3.5.2 and want to check out anything cool |
| 04:34.02 | qupada | i mean it must be pretty badly broken if they can't compile it for 64 bit |
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| 04:34.14 | Sutoka | 64bit flash and a win64codecs package would make amd64 a lot easier system to use |
| 04:34.17 | qupada | Shirakawasuna: there is one not so nice feature, but mostly good |
| 04:34.29 | Shirakawasuna | what's the not so nice feature? |
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| 04:34.37 | qupada | Sutoka: recent cvs mplayer has wmv support though, plays most things |
| 04:34.48 | qupada | Shirakawasuna: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/637/alttabqw0.png |
| 04:34.57 | Sutoka | qupada: it took the openoffice devs quite a while to get openoffice compiling on amd64 ;-) |
| 04:34.57 | qupada | ^^ the border around the window when you're alt-tabbing |
| 04:35.20 | Shirakawasuna | ah, yeah |
| 04:35.20 | qupada | yeah, but they aren't getting paid |
| 04:35.22 | Sutoka | focus follows mouse is acting like focus under mouse on my system :-( |
| 04:35.31 | Shirakawasuna | looks to me like that's a half-finished project |
| 04:35.36 | Shirakawasuna | at least that's what I'm hoping ;) |
| 04:36.00 | qupada | Shirakawasuna: it wouldn't be so bad if a) it could be turned off. b) it wasn't turned on by default |
| 04:36.01 | Shirakawasuna | I would love to see exposé for KDE |
| 04:36.15 | qupada | as such, it has to be patched out of kwin at compile time |
| 04:36.16 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: kompose |
| 04:36.28 | Shirakawasuna | kompose has a weird feel to it |
| 04:36.36 | Sutoka | yep, thats why i don't use it |
| 04:36.46 | Sutoka | i think it needs composite to really shine |
| 04:36.59 | qupada | i thought it did a pretty good job, considering it has to overcome the problem of multiple virtual desktops |
| 04:37.03 | qupada | i have no need for it though |
| 04:37.09 | Shirakawasuna | macs with basically the same hardware as mine (slightly better) do exposé just fine - my g/f's ppc ibook does it |
| 04:37.25 | Sutoka | cause beryl/compiz's version works really well using gl composite |
| 04:37.27 | qupada | that's because exposé on a mac is 3d-accelerated |
| 04:37.33 | Shirakawasuna | indeed |
| 04:37.42 | Shirakawasuna | or whatever |
| 04:37.48 | Sutoka | yay for nvidia beta drivers! |
| 04:38.40 | Shirakawasuna | is that slated for kde 3.x? |
| 04:38.47 | qupada | i doubt it |
| 04:38.49 | Sutoka | 4.0 i believe |
| 04:38.58 | Shirakawasuna | yay for 4.0 |
| 04:39.03 | qupada | makes more sense for devs to focus their efforts on the new release |
| 04:39.04 | Shirakawasuna | I demand a technical preview ;) |
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| 04:39.34 | Sutoka | AIGLX is far better than Xgl was, for one i can play UT2004 at seemingly the same performance perfectly fine on aiglx, which it had rendering errors on Xgl |
| 04:39.52 | qupada | and you don't need to run a different X server |
| 04:39.54 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: there is a tech preview for kde 4 |
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| 04:40.06 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: though its a dev's tech preview! |
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| 04:40.33 | Shirakawasuna | xgl's a hack |
| 04:40.39 | Sutoka | yep, only 1 X server is much nicer than having that redundancy |
| 04:40.41 | Sutoka | yep |
| 04:40.51 | Sutoka | Xgl was supposed to be just a tech preview for Xegl |
| 04:41.11 | Sutoka | but it seems more work is being put into Xgl hacks than development of Xegl |
| 04:41.39 | Sutoka | also the fork of compiz is far nicer than compiz now |
| 04:41.53 | Sutoka | less gnome dependency, better performance, more plugins |
| 04:42.02 | Shirakawasuna | yay for linux |
| 04:42.03 | Sutoka | and a real config system |
| 04:42.10 | Sutoka | yay for forks |
| 04:42.33 | Sutoka | if XFree86 wasn't forked, we would still be running basically the same x server as several years ago |
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| 04:43.50 | Sutoka | Xorg 7.2 is gonna have the X input redirection extension which will make it so that when windows / the desktop is transformed you can still use the mouse like normal |
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| 04:45.11 | somekool | how transformed? |
| 04:46.12 | Sutoka | like if you zoom in you would still be able to interact with the window |
| 04:47.30 | Sutoka | i think the X protocol should be extended so it can be given vector graphics, that way when using something like a zoom it won't get pixelated and look bad |
| 04:47.46 | somekool | Sutoka: what kinda of 64bit goodness are you getting when chrooting ? what are the real advantages? |
| 04:48.35 | Sutoka | somekool: most of the stuff thats cpu intensive works better on 64bit procs, like openssl is a LOT faster, also encoding/decoding audio/video |
| 04:49.47 | somekool | i like kompose , i dont have a ktaskbar anymore |
| 04:50.18 | Sutoka | also prelinking works better with the larger address space (it can reduce the relocations needed for kde to about 0 on it, without having to use overlaps which will cause relocations which you gotta do on 32bit systems most of the time) |
| 04:51.46 | Sutoka | i haven't done the prelinking in my chroot yet (just read that you don't need to, and shouldn't, use the 'conserve memory' option on amd64) |
| 04:52.19 | somekool | the features I would like to see in XOrg is a screen like capability. screen, the console tool. I want to be able to take a window, hide it in some memory buffer, reattach it whenever I want AND to whatever X I want. a remote X for example |
| 04:52.34 | Sutoka | somekool: there was a summer of code project for that |
| 04:52.40 | somekool | If I would even, kill X, restart KDE, and reattached that window, that'd would be awesome |
| 04:52.46 | Sutoka | it was called XScreen, i haven't been able to find any info for it though |
| 04:52.48 | somekool | oh really? |
| 04:53.05 | Sutoka | thats something i really want to |
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| 04:53.29 | Sutoka | (like detach my IM client from one system, and re-attach to the other depending what im using) |
| 04:53.29 | somekool | if you could even save it so you could reboot your computer ;) that would help for sleep/hibernation development |
| 04:53.38 | somekool | linux is still a bit of a pain on a laptop |
| 04:53.50 | Sutoka | suspend to disk works fine on my laptop |
| 04:53.53 | Schalken | I've seen Kuroo, Adept and YaST, are there any other frontends for package management? |
| 04:54.10 | Sutoka | Schalken: Kynaptic i think |
| 04:55.03 | Sutoka | though after doing it several times for some reason when i try it doesn't have enough swap to save the memory so aborts and retries a couple times, forcing me to just use shutdown |
| 04:55.13 | somekool | actually, more I think about it, I would like a suspend to ram like Mac. it seems they keep a very small amount of power just to keep the ram active. but it can stay a week like that without a problem and just wake up in 3 seconds |
| 04:55.18 | Schalken | Sutoka: thanks |
| 04:55.41 | somekool | Sutoka: when your laptop runs out of power, does it suspent automatically? |
| 04:55.44 | Sutoka | somekool: previously that worked on my laptop, and suspend to disk didn't, suspending to ram is much nicer, but even more flakier |
| 04:56.02 | Sutoka | yeah, which happens quite quickly if it doesn't have power |
| 04:56.14 | Sutoka | centrino = power hog (despite the marketing) |
| 04:56.22 | somekool | Schalken: kpackages there is a lot, one per distrib ;) ClickNRun ? |
| 04:56.36 | Sutoka | theres several more non-kde front ends |
| 04:56.47 | Shirakawasuna | somekool: has there been a recent-ish update to kompose? |
| 04:57.02 | Shirakawasuna | somekool: and/or have you configured it to work in a better (not default) way? |
| 04:57.17 | somekool | Sutoka: what's your wake up time ? is it much slower/faster than rebooting? |
| 04:57.36 | Sutoka | both are a LOT faster than shutdown/startup |
| 04:57.41 | Sutoka | but its still pretty crappy |
| 04:57.54 | Sutoka | suspending is pretty slow |
| 04:58.05 | Sutoka | resuming is faster, but the system is pretty unresponsive when i bring it back up |
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| 04:59.25 | somekool | i wish emerge could configure stuff ... like high level automated tasks. it already technically can. but its not use like that really. I'm thinking like... 'emerge suspect-to-ram' it would check the kernel option, recompil, set everything. etc. |
| 04:59.30 | Steven_M | hi all |
| 04:59.57 | Sutoka | somekool: suspend to ram isn't hard to setup, it just flat out doesn't work on some hardware |
| 05:00.26 | Shirakawasuna | somekool: that would be cool as an option |
| 05:00.31 | Sutoka | like the hard disk in my laptop when resuming from s2r dies till i cut power to the whole system |
| 05:00.42 | Shirakawasuna | somekool: like emerge --highconf suspend-to-ram or something |
| 05:00.53 | Sutoka | i think that would be better as part of something other than emerge |
| 05:01.03 | Shirakawasuna | suspend to ram works great on my lappy |
| 05:01.16 | Sutoka | maybe 'econf' |
| 05:01.43 | somekool | no kompose update for quite some time, but make sure you got XComposite enabled, its gets much nicer. but if you tried the Sabayon Gentoo Live CD, with XGL extention, you got very impressive expose like fonctionnality |
| 05:01.48 | somekool | kompose-0.5.4 |
| 05:02.18 | somekool | I set a hot corner in bottom-right to launch kompose, I'm quite happy with it |
| 05:02.47 | Sutoka | i wonder if kompose needs a composite manager running to use composite happily... |
| 05:03.16 | somekool | Shirakawasuna: I really think people need to start writing that type of ebuild |
| 05:04.25 | somekool | Sutoka: why duplicating the portage system, its exactly when we need, versioning, masking, USE flag. its all perfect. just a different folder, like we got kde-base and kde-misc, we could have conf-laptop conf-server |
| 05:04.54 | Sutoka | its quite similar, but i don't think its the same |
| 05:05.07 | Sutoka | they should be able to share base libraries for most of the stuff |
| 05:05.23 | Sutoka | but the way ebuilds are processed doesn't seem to make sense for config scripts |
| 05:06.01 | somekool | do you guys like S2R better than S2D ? S2R is faster right? and the end result is the same, no? |
| 05:06.01 | Sutoka | somekool: s2r is MUCH faster, but it uses a TINY amount of power, s2d is slower but uses no power when its suspended |
| 05:06.14 | Sutoka | somekool: though on some systems one work and not the other (like my laptop) |
| 05:06.32 | somekool | Sutoka: because conf dependencies might be software, it needs to compil stuff too, not only hack config files. like if you need a newer version of XOrg its a dependency |
| 05:06.36 | somekool | i think it all goes together |
| 05:06.49 | Shirakawasuna | suspend to ram is superior unless you're going to be 1) very low on power or 2) not using it for days and can't plug it in |
| 05:06.55 | somekool | I understand the cluttered fear. but it could be done so it stays clean |
| 05:07.56 | Steven_M | I'm back in here again asking if anyone here usees guarddog, a firewall gui for kde? |
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| 05:08.10 | somekool | Steven_M: fwbuilder rocks !!!! |
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| 05:08.56 | somekool | I put all my network definition into fwbuilder, network IPs, host, servers, then I can create firewall, set the firewall compile backend (ipfw, iptables, PF, etc.) its a charm |
| 05:09.24 | somekool | if you try it, get the nightly build, its very stable, |
| 05:09.41 | somekool | r314 I think |
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| 05:10.28 | Steven_M | somekool: is it easy to use |
| 05:10.33 | somekool | Shirakawasuna: Sutoka are you using suspend2-sources ? gentoo-source or vanilla ? |
| 05:10.45 | Sutoka | heh... looks like you need a composite manager for kompose to use xcomposite |
| 05:10.52 | Shirakawasuna | gentoo-sources |
| 05:10.52 | Sutoka | somekool: i have suse on the laptop |
| 05:10.58 | Sutoka | oops |
| 05:11.03 | Sutoka | oh wait you said me to |
| 05:11.03 | Sutoka | lol |
| 05:11.04 | somekool | Steven_M: its meant for server, not desktop firewalls, so you need to know what you are doing |
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| 05:11.47 | somekool | Sutoka: a composite manager ? I wonder if I did that.... |
| 05:12.01 | Sutoka | like kcompmgr or xcompmgr |
| 05:12.35 | somekool | its a background process running ? |
| 05:12.40 | Sutoka | yeah |
| 05:12.58 | somekool | let me try that real quick hehe ;) |
| 05:13.05 | Sutoka | it would also be the process that does any special effects on the screen (shadow or transparency for non-gl compositors) |
| 05:13.30 | somekool | hey, its actually kinda rare I see hardcore gentoo people in here or KDE lovers in #gentoo, you want to exchange our jabber's or something? |
| 05:13.34 | Sutoka | beryl/compiz are gl compositors that need AIGLX/Xgl and are also window managers |
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| 05:14.35 | somekool | kcompmgr is in kde-playground, does it work with 3.5 ? |
| 05:14.46 | Sutoka | it used to be part of normal kde... |
| 05:15.03 | somekool | hmm, i dont have it ... |
| 05:15.21 | Sutoka | i don't either on 3.5.5... i guess they moved it out of normal kde |
| 05:15.36 | Sutoka | though the kcm still has the tab for transparency and stuff |
| 05:15.38 | Sutoka | weird |
| 05:16.25 | somekool | $ grep -i composite /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:16.25 | somekool | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.40 | somekool | its all I did ;) |
| 05:16.56 | Sutoka | and composite in kompse is working? |
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| 05:18.45 | Sutoka | the hot corners activation in kompose doesn't seem to work for me... |
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| 05:19.12 | Sutoka | nor is the XComposite support (if i activate kompose, it takes several seconds to show the contents of the windows |
| 05:23.02 | somekool | seems to work, and window updates while minimized |
| 05:23.15 | somekool | i mean, while in kompose, I can see window updates |
| 05:24.01 | somekool | i installed and start xcompmgr, I'm not sure If I see a diff |
| 05:25.12 | Sutoka | well its definitely not working for me even either xcompmgr running... windows don't update while its on, also its only covering one screen despite in the config being set to cover both... |
| 05:25.33 | Sutoka | which version are you running? |
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| 05:32.47 | kendrick | good evening |
| 05:37.32 | somekool | by the way, the easiest way to test out KDE4 packages at this moment, is probably on a mac ;) |
| 05:37.36 | Sutoka | hm... looks like on september 18th that XScreen's development was 'stalled' (cause the developer was too busy, not sure how much had been done up to that point, or since though) |
| 05:37.38 | somekool | no effort required |
| 05:37.55 | Sutoka | thats just whats-his-name packages them |
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| 05:38.04 | somekool | I run kompose-0.5.4 |
| 05:38.14 | Sutoka | i just tried out both 0.5.4 and 0.5.3 |
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| 05:38.25 | somekool | and window content was updating without xcompmgr |
| 05:38.40 | Sutoka | neither seem to work right (not corners don't work, its slow, and can't use xcomposite :( ) |
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| 05:56.28 | picca | is it me or is konqueror much faster in kde 3.5.5 compared to 3.5.3 - the pages seem to render really fast |
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| 06:08.51 | somekool | every releases of KDE are better and faster. so yes |
| 06:09.13 | somekool | very likely and possible khtml optimization has been done |
| 06:11.00 | picca | i really like how stable 3.5.x series has become |
| 06:11.17 | picca | it was never that unstable to be honest |
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| 06:46.26 | xera | Is there an easy way to increase screen resolution in kdesktop? |
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| 06:54.12 | somekool | if you got XRandR extension, there is a tool for i in kcontrol |
| 06:54.25 | somekool | what distribution ? Xorg version ? |
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| 06:56.24 | Ranma2264 | Hi to all I installed kde 3.5.5 and im having problems with desktop icons |
| 06:57.14 | Ranma2264 | it seems that hal is not working and the devices does not mount via desktop icons |
| 06:57.33 | Ranma2264 | anyone with the same issue? |
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| 07:03.04 | xera | Is there some form of "windows paint" type program in kdesktop? |
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| 07:04.03 | whirlewind | xera: KolourPaint |
| 07:04.10 | somekool | xera: by kdesktop you mean KDE or the actual kdesktop background process that manages your kdesktop icons ? |
| 07:04.28 | somekool | I really like KolourPaint as well, or Krita, shippedwith Koffice |
| 07:04.53 | whirlewind | somekool: Krita is very unstable IMHO |
| 07:04.59 | Momal | Anyknow know how I can remove everything related to kde ? then reinstall it all again... I want to remove all trace of kde then reinstall all from latest versions |
| 07:05.22 | xera | What is KolourPaint under? |
| 07:05.33 | somekool | have you guys seen how cool is this? |
| 07:05.34 | somekool | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2362 |
| 07:05.42 | xera | kmenu -> ? |
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| 07:06.12 | whirlewind | xera: kolourpaint in commanline |
| 07:06.22 | xera | oh |
| 07:06.49 | somekool | xera: ALT-F2 + kolourpaint + ENTER |
| 07:07.01 | whirlewind | or Kmenu -> Graphics |
| 07:07.12 | somekool | kolourpaint is shipped with kdegraphics |
| 07:07.33 | xera | Ahh no wonder... there is no "graphics" section |
| 07:07.57 | xera | and entering the kolourpaint says it does not find anything |
| 07:08.17 | whirlewind | xera: what is your distro? |
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| 07:20.41 | xera | printscreen -> Paste into kolourpaint does not work? |
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| 07:21.28 | rohan | there's something strange going on with apollon .. it connects, disconnects, and reconnects continuously in an endless loop |
| 07:21.32 | rohan | it was working great just minutes ago |
| 07:21.35 | rohan | this is frugalware 0.5 with kde 3.5.5 |
| 07:21.37 | whirlewind | For screenshots is better to use ksnapshot |
| 07:21.43 | rohan | does anyone else experience the same ? |
| 07:22.25 | rohan | apollon: [virtual void ApollonPreferencesDialog::readConfig(bool)] init = true |
| 07:22.34 | rohan | that is the only output on running apollon from a konsole |
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| 07:23.03 | analyzer | hi all |
| 07:23.10 | str4nd | hi |
| 07:23.29 | rohan | wtf, on running it from within strace, again - |
| 07:23.29 | rohan | Process 29245 detached |
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| 07:26.25 | cgranade | Has anyone ever tried to configure KAddressBook only to get an entirely empty config dialog? |
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| 07:26.48 | m0d0r | hello |
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| 07:27.29 | cgranade | http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l144/cgranade/Screenshot-1.png |
| 07:27.42 | m0d0r | i have question ;DD how can i set for example that when a run konsole it will automatically run without windowborders and maximized ?:) |
| 07:28.18 | Schalken | m0d0r: window specific settings? |
| 07:28.20 | whirlewind | m0d0r: konsole --help |
| 07:28.26 | cgranade | m0d0r: Right click on the Konsole window's titlebar, and go to Specific Window Settings. |
| 07:28.36 | cgranade | Schalken: Heh. You got it first. |
| 07:28.50 | Schalken | cgranade: :D |
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| 07:28.55 | m0d0r | hmmm tnx ;D |
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| 07:29.01 | m0d0r | will try |
| 07:29.10 | Schalken | Does Kgpg use Kaddressbool? |
| 07:29.17 | Schalken | book* |
| 07:29.18 | cgranade | I think so. |
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| 07:31.36 | cgranade | That said, Kgpg works fine for me, as does Kopete. |
| 07:31.52 | Schalken | cgranade: i love kopete :D |
| 07:32.04 | cgranade | As do I. One of the main reasons for my using KDE. |
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| 07:32.47 | sredna | Hi, doesn't konqueror work with yourtube.com? |
| 07:32.59 | cgranade | sredna: The main thing is that you need Flash. |
| 07:33.11 | sredna | cgranade: I have flash |
| 07:33.15 | cgranade | A work around is to use videodownloader.net and watch the downloads with mplayer. |
| 07:33.18 | Schalken | is there a way to make kopete and kaddress book synchronize automatically? (so you dont have to select all and add them) |
| 07:33.22 | whirlewind | And there is no flash 8 for Linux :( |
| 07:33.35 | cgranade | whirlewind: Did they move to Flash 8? |
| 07:33.37 | markey | youtube works with flash7 |
| 07:33.42 | markey | still.. |
| 07:33.55 | markey | if they switch, we're screwed |
| 07:34.08 | sredna | Hm, maybe they cache browser data, I haven't flash turned on by default |
| 07:34.31 | cgranade | sredna: They might also discriminate against Konq... might change the user agent string. |
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| 07:35.05 | sredna | cgranade: No, they just say that either javascript is off or I need a newer version of flash |
| 07:35.18 | markey | btw is there an ETA for the new flash on linux? |
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| 07:35.38 | cgranade | markey: When it's done, I suppose. |
| 07:35.52 | Schalken | sredna: go to http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com to make sure flash is on, then go into setting and make sure javascript is on |
| 07:36.07 | cgranade | They're being a bit odd about the whole Flash 9 thing. |
| 07:36.07 | markey | last time I read the developer blog, it sounded like almost beta |
| 07:36.16 | sredna | Schalken: They are on. |
| 07:36.41 | Schalken | sredna: and still no youtube? strange. |
| 07:36.47 | cgranade | sredna: Don't know what to tell you. |
| 07:36.54 | cgranade | They may have gone to Flash 8. |
| 07:36.59 | markey | nah |
| 07:37.03 | markey | they haven't |
| 07:37.13 | markey | works fine with Opera9 |
| 07:37.13 | cgranade | markey: Good to know. |
| 07:37.34 | markey | which I recommend anyway :p |
| 07:37.37 | markey | excellent browser |
| 07:38.05 | cgranade | BTW, has anyone run across the whole disappearing config page before? I get that in both KAddressBook and in KWeather. |
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| 07:38.18 | Schalken | markey: i always prefer the browser that comes with the desktop environement (Epiphany, Safari, Konqueror, IE) |
| 07:38.42 | markey | IE, ugh |
| 07:38.43 | markey | ok :) |
| 07:38.46 | cgranade | I prefer Firefox or a derivative (Flock, IceWeasel). |
| 07:39.05 | sredna | It works in firefox |
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| 07:42.53 | sredna | Sigh |
| 07:44.24 | cgranade | BTW, I asked about the KAB problem on #gentoo and got redirected back here... |
| 07:44.56 | sredna | What problem? |
| 07:45.25 | cgranade | The magical disappearing configuration screen. |
| 07:45.25 | cgranade | http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l144/cgranade/Screenshot-1.png |
| 07:45.30 | Schalken | what was the project called that made a new windows-xp-like kmenu? |
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| 07:45.48 | cgranade | Kickoff, I think. |
| 07:45.55 | cgranade | Wouldn't swear to it, tho. |
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| 07:46.56 | Schalken | cgranade: kickoff, thats the one |
| 07:46.59 | Schalken | :D |
| 07:47.18 | cgranade | Hey... whaddya know? I remembered something for a change. |
| 07:47.31 | cgranade | How's Kickoff going, anyway? Haven't heard much for a month or so. |
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| 07:48.27 | sredna | cgranade: I haven't seen that before |
| 07:48.42 | cgranade | sredna: Strange one, eh? |
| 07:48.53 | sredna | But then, I havent' looked since I upgraded to 3.5.5 |
| 07:49.09 | cgranade | I get the same thing with KWeather, but I care more about KAB. |
| 07:49.11 | sredna | Na, it looks fine here |
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| 07:49.34 | cgranade | Hm. Well, that tells me something... that it's not just plain broken. |
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| 07:56.06 | cgranade | I guess I should go to a mailing list with this one, huh? |
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| 08:03.45 | suckacracka | anything that can show me what the window name title and classes of open kde programs? i want to use beryl to fake true transparencies for yakuake |
| 08:04.10 | suckacracka | i recompiled konsole with true transparency support, but dont know how to set up yakuake to do it... |
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| 08:05.29 | Schalken | is there a kde forntend for firewall configuration? |
| 08:05.33 | Schalken | frontend* |
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| 08:11.36 | espresso | ok I have forgotten how to deactivate single-click-to-open |
| 08:12.18 | espresso | desktop items and konqueror file browser items all open on single click... need that to stop |
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| 08:12.44 | Schalken | espresso: somewhere in the control center im guessing ;) |
| 08:12.53 | benJIman | espresso: kcontrol -> peripherals -> mouse |
| 08:13.13 | benJIman | espresso: though single click is half the effort of double click. |
| 08:13.22 | benJIman | half the RSI |
| 08:13.38 | qupada | also twice as easy to open things you weren't intending |
| 08:13.46 | qupada | which means more work closing them |
| 08:13.48 | espresso | benJIman: I understand... but I'm getting sick of openign files when I'm trying to select |
| 08:13.58 | benJIman | espresso: just use control or drag |
| 08:14.45 | espresso | ah... 'automatically select icons' on hover |
| 08:15.02 | Schalken | i find it a real pain at first but get used to it for the sake of my index finger's health |
| 08:15.26 | benJIman | I find select on hover rather annoying |
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| 08:15.36 | benJIman | you select a load of files and move the mouse over another and it deselects all the original ones. |
| 08:16.00 | benJIman | Though it's even more annoying on windows, because it makes it slower to open things than double click. |
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| 08:20.57 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
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| 08:21.20 | igli | hi |
| 08:21.21 | raddy | Is it possible to set a custom user agent in Konqueror? |
| 08:21.29 | benJIman | yes |
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| 08:21.52 | benJIman | or do you mean type it in yourself? |
| 08:22.21 | raddy | benJIman: yeah, i mean typing it myself |
| 08:22.23 | benJIman | you'd have to edit ~/.kde/share/config/kio_httprc |
| 08:22.38 | raddy | benJIman : Ok |
| 08:22.52 | RockMan | ciao |
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| 08:31.40 | ma3x | anyone here? |
| 08:31.58 | pinotree | just ask |
| 08:34.06 | Schalken | :D |
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| 08:38.35 | Shirakawasuna | kde 3.5.5...compiling...so...slow |
| 08:39.03 | Shirakawasuna | kdelibs took 2.5 hours |
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| 08:40.57 | atomik | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.58 | atomik | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.00 | atomik | it's ok here :p |
| 08:41.51 | suckacracka | atomik: how did you do that? i use pye so i should be able to get that info... |
| 08:42.11 | mark_alec | suckacracka: genlop -t kdelibs |
| 08:42.31 | atomik | yes :p |
| 08:42.36 | atomik | emerge gentoolkit |
| 08:42.38 | suckacracka | 1 hour, 3 minutes, 31 seconds |
| 08:42.46 | mark_alec | kdelibs-3.5.5: Fri Oct 13 13:07:59 2006: 2 hours, 44 minutes, 30 seconds |
| 08:42.49 | suckacracka | for kdelibs-3.5.5 |
| 08:44.10 | suckacracka | anyone got a nice script to see how much it would cost to emerge something using genlop? |
| 08:44.30 | mark_alec | emerge something -p | genlop -p |
| 08:44.32 | suckacracka | for example an emerge -e world |
| 08:45.10 | suckacracka | trying 'emerge -ep world | genlop -p' now ... |
| 08:45.19 | mark_alec | it will take a long time to calculate |
| 08:45.51 | suckacracka | okay, sorry we can |
| 08:46.00 | suckacracka | t talk about disto specific info |
| 08:46.35 | pinotree | mainly... no |
| 08:46.38 | atomik | yes but it's okay |
| 08:46.56 | atomik | don't be so strict :p |
| 08:47.05 | pinotree | i have to be |
| 08:47.15 | pinotree | otherwise there would be distro talks all the day |
| 08:47.19 | atomik | lol |
| 08:47.43 | pinotree | i'm not joking |
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| 08:48.16 | sirius_alpha | hi |
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| 08:48.41 | suckacracka | bleh no one uses nvidia + beryl or compiz here and yakuake? |
| 08:48.59 | thiago | most people don't use compiz |
| 08:50.21 | suckacracka | well it works awesomely with kde right now, i just wanted some help adding / hacking in true transparency support for yakuake, seeing as konsole has it... |
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| 08:50.52 | suckacracka | beryl+nvidia drivers means i dont need xgl or xegl or aiglx - the driver itself does the glx_ext_from_pixmap LD |
| 08:50.53 | suckacracka | :D |
| 08:51.57 | sirius_alpha | changing (adding, deleting, moving) bookmarks in konqueror takes quite long (about 2 to 3 seconds) for each action. is this usual? |
| 08:52.16 | thiago | sirius_alpha: no |
| 08:53.28 | sirius_alpha | I have this behaver with different 3.5.x versions (didn't use kde before that) |
| 08:53.52 | sirius_alpha | any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 08:54.18 | sirius_alpha | I'm using debian unstable |
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| 08:59.39 | ma3x | insmod: I'm not sure if my card is supported. Because if you are talking about the fglrx - it doesn't support my card IGP340M |
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| 09:04.02 | WerdnaDesktop | does Kopete support StartTLS for XMPP? |
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| 09:06.19 | pinotree | WerdnaDesktop: --> #kopete |
| 09:07.37 | WerdnaDesktop | nobody told me that had its own channel |
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| 09:10.21 | hareldvd | When I kdm starts or right after I login the screen saver starts. This started after we moved to winter time clock. Any idea? |
| 09:14.36 | sirius_alpha | I think I'll return later to ask again, hoping that there will be more people here then. |
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| 09:16.55 | junkY_San | hi |
| 09:17.12 | junkY_San | i'm searching for something which displays my current transferrate on my network interfaces |
| 09:17.32 | pinotree | knemo |
| 09:18.15 | junkY_San | thank you |
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| 09:43.30 | KDave | Hello there. (KDE) 3.5.5 is the last 3.x version? |
| 09:43.43 | pinotree | si |
| 09:44.11 | KDave | Sweet... |
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| 09:53.30 | |sanek| | hello, i've a problem with new version of kdevelop-3.5.5 Cannot talk to klauncher. may be this very popular question :) |
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| 09:54.47 | thiago | |sanek|: not really |
| 09:54.49 | thiago | it works fine here |
| 09:54.53 | thiago | how did you install it? |
| 09:55.03 | adamt | |sanek|: Heh, i can't even compile it :-) |
| 09:56.11 | |sanek| | i'm now compile it and install on gentoo linux |
| 09:57.02 | adamt | |sanek|: Maybe your klauncher died? |
| 09:57.10 | |sanek| | no |
| 09:57.26 | |sanek| | /usr/kde/3.5/bin/klauncher |
| 09:57.28 | |sanek| | :) |
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| 09:57.32 | arand | afaik kdevelop in in 3.3.5 stable, 3.4.0 in svn |
| 09:57.39 | adamt | yes, but is it running? |
| 09:58.20 | |sanek| | it's not running |
| 09:58.43 | |sanek| | hmm, This program is not supposed to be started manually |
| 09:58.49 | adamt | then start it ;-) |
| 09:59.11 | adamt | no, but it probably crashed |
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| 10:01.10 | Schalken | is there a cvs kio slave by default? |
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| 10:04.23 | thiago | Schalken: no |
| 10:04.39 | Schalken | thiago: is it possible to add one? |
| 10:05.06 | thiago | not KDE 3.5 |
| 10:05.34 | thiago | do you even have such an ioslave? |
| 10:06.02 | Schalken | thiago: dunno haven't used kde in ages |
| 10:07.41 | thiago | I meant: do you have the code for such ioslave? |
| 10:08.11 | Schalken | thiago: do they require code? |
| 10:08.23 | thiago | how do you plan to access CVS? |
| 10:08.54 | thiago | there has to be something that interprets the CVS data into something that Konqueror can use |
| 10:09.28 | Ardonik | I think kdesvn provides a "svn:" kioslave. |
| 10:09.33 | Ardonik | Dunno about CVS. |
| 10:09.56 | thiago | right, there is a kio_svn |
| 10:09.58 | thiago | no kio_cvs |
| 10:10.25 | Schalken | well it seems kdevelop can download from cvs, so that will serve my needs for the moment |
| 10:10.41 | adamt | Is there any technical dificulties in making a CVS slave, compared to the svn one? :-) |
| 10:10.48 | Schalken | anyway im off to install debian cya! |
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| 10:11.00 | thiago | adamt: CVS isn't really a filesystem |
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| 10:13.42 | adamt | thiago: okay. i've never used cvs, so how should i know :-) |
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| 10:17.48 | Liquid_Fire | okaay, I don't like this.. after updating to KDE 3.5.5, half the icons in the K-menu are missing, and some of my global shortcuts have stopped working |
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| 10:22.29 | |sanek| | i solved :) kill -9 process kdeinit |
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| 10:24.57 | |sanek| | :))) |
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| 10:29.20 | alsuren_ | anyone know how to get /exec in kopete to actually send the output of a program to the channel? |
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| 10:36.31 | hermier | alsuren_, I think you need to add an extra argument to exec |
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| 10:37.44 | alsuren | hermier: so it *is* possible? |
| 10:38.05 | thiago | /exec -o |
| 10:38.12 | thiago | but I can't find the code |
| 10:38.16 | hermier | alsuren, it should, I have to check in the source, but I think you can also do /help exec |
| 10:38.35 | alsuren | didn't think of that |
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| 10:39.23 | alsuren | thanks |
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| 11:31.52 | niggle | hi |
| 11:32.14 | niggle | i've a problem with k3b, it doesn't works |
| 11:32.27 | niggle | can someone help me? |
| 11:32.44 | niggle | it says: " mkisofs doesn't exit clean " |
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| 11:41.43 | solus | hey I used to be able to connect to my phone obex file transfer via bluetooth with konqueror but now i can't connect |
| 11:41.50 | solus | kde 3.5.5, gentoo |
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| 11:45.35 | _Christian | hi |
| 11:46.53 | _Christian | whois zubov |
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| 11:57.24 | Techdeck | hey thiago |
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| 12:12.40 | Techdeck | /root/kde3.5.5/bin/kdeinit: Permission denied |
| 12:12.45 | Techdeck | why does it try to run it from there? |
| 12:12.48 | Techdeck | I put everything in /usr/kde/ |
| 12:13.53 | PhilRod | because it's in your PATH, presumably |
| 12:14.03 | PhilRod | what does "echo $PATH" say? |
| 12:14.10 | Techdeck | /usr/kde/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin |
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| 12:15.06 | Techdeck | :\ |
| 12:15.09 | Techdeck | weird isn't it? |
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| 12:18.08 | PhilRod | !lunch |
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| 12:19.37 | Linux_Galore | happy 10th birthday |
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| 12:20.29 | Techdeck | PhilRod, any ideas? |
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| 12:23.35 | schmucke | hola |
| 12:23.59 | str4nd | hi |
| 12:24.04 | schmucke | de dond eres |
| 12:24.22 | pinotree | schmucke: this is an english channel |
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| 12:24.30 | schmucke | ok |
| 12:24.41 | schmucke | we are you |
| 12:24.46 | schmucke | ?? |
| 12:25.18 | yuma | \whois schmucke |
| 12:25.32 | yuma | ups |
| 12:25.37 | str4nd | yjdhi! |
| 12:25.42 | schmucke | fuck |
| 12:27.05 | schmucke | sorry |
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| 12:30.24 | yuma | anyone with konqueror 3.5.4 could try to see http://ju-ni.net/? |
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| 12:34.38 | Desintegr | yuma: here with konq 3.5.5 |
| 12:34.44 | Desintegr | only head and bottom of the page |
| 12:34.52 | yuma | Desintegr: I have the same |
| 12:35.26 | yuma | Desintegr: I'm trying to decide if it's something broken in the last update, or it's from before |
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| 12:44.06 | mariux | why would konq make my /mnt/seagate hd spin up when i right click on any file (not located on the hd) ? |
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| 12:52.01 | Techdeck | [Techdeck@bashed:~$] /usr/kde/bin/start_kdeinit |
| 12:52.01 | Techdeck | /root/kde3.5.5/bin/kdeinit: Permission denied |
| 12:52.04 | david | How can I add user and group from LDAP to the client machine so I can set permissions based on LDAP information? |
| 12:52.05 | Techdeck | why does it look for it in /root?! |
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| 12:52.18 | Techdeck | should look in /usr/kde/bin/kdeinit |
| 12:52.44 | Techdeck | :( |
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| 12:55.54 | tsb | what is a nice ftp client? krusader is okay with kio, but I need bandwidth limiting.. kftpgrabber is so-so.. any others? |
| 12:56.49 | tsb | kasablanca didn't do it for me either |
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| 13:02.59 | adamt | tsb: i never found a really good ftp klient for ftp.. =/ |
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| 13:03.50 | tsb | :( guess I'll stick with gftp then.. strange there isn't a kde counterpart with bandwith throttling. |
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| 13:05.43 | adamt | tsb: Luckily i found a webhost that didn't limit me to only 2 open ftp connections at the time, so now i'm using konqueror. But yes, it's quite weird that we don't have a truly awesome ftp client |
| 13:06.35 | tsb | adamt: yeah that's another problem with krusader/konqueror.. it doesn't close the connections all the time so if you are limited to 1/2 connections per ip you can be screwed |
| 13:06.43 | tsb | ofcourse, you can just kill the kio slaves, but.. |
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| 13:07.03 | Russel | hiho |
| 13:07.11 | Russel | how do i make a new template in korganizer? |
| 13:08.28 | sF|Xemanth | when is this integrated to qt and kde http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109386 |
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| 14:41.51 | montoya | CMake Error: Error in cmake code at |
| 14:41.52 | montoya | /home/kdedev/kdelibs/build/cmake_install.cmake:30: |
| 14:41.52 | montoya | FILE INSTALL cannot copy file "/home/kdedev/kdelibs/kdelibs_export.h" to "/home/kdedev/install/include/kdelibs_export.h". |
| 14:41.53 | montoya | Current CMake stack: /home/kdedev/kdelibs/build/cmake_install.cmake |
| 14:41.55 | montoya | make: *** [install] Error 255 |
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| 14:44.45 | s-andy | hi |
| 14:45.04 | sF|Xemanth | is there any good cover manager software ? which with i could make cover for my dvds |
| 14:46.05 | s-andy | i'm using kde 3.5.4 on debian linux. sometimes pressing on shutdown or reboot in k menu does not work |
| 14:46.41 | s-andy | i tried to change HaltCmd in kdmrc but it was not called |
| 14:46.56 | s-andy | so i suppose that smething happens before calling halt |
| 14:47.30 | s-andy | is there any way to debug shutdown/reboot process to see what happens? |
| 14:48.17 | s-andy | machine is not halted but screens become black |
| 14:48.33 | s-andy | problem may be in the fglrx driver (i suppose |
| 14:48.34 | Techdeck | hmmm |
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| 14:48.38 | Techdeck | which QT do I want to compile for the new kde? |
| 14:48.40 | Techdeck | qt 4 or 3? |
| 14:49.05 | s-andy | can someone help me to determine what's wrong? |
| 14:49.20 | pinotree | Techdeck: a) Qt, not QT |
| 14:49.25 | mark_alec | Techdeck: 3 |
| 14:49.31 | Techdeck | pinotree, and b? |
| 14:49.32 | pinotree | Techdeck: b) kde3 wants ONLY Qt3 |
| 14:49.36 | Techdeck | oh |
| 14:49.37 | Techdeck | ok |
| 14:49.42 | pinotree | as kde4 will want ONLY Qt4 |
| 14:49.44 | Techdeck | thanks pinotree and mark |
| 14:50.03 | pinotree | s-andy: kdm or gdm? |
| 14:50.11 | pinotree | (or anything else?) |
| 14:50.16 | s-andy | pinotree: kdm |
| 14:50.45 | pinotree | can't help, sorry |
| 14:50.49 | Techdeck | another thing pinotree, I have compiled KDE to /root/kde3.5.5, when I moved it to /usr/kde/ and changed the few variables, it still doesn't work |
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| 14:50.51 | pinotree | (<-- using gdm) |
| 14:50.56 | Techdeck | it can't load kdeinit because it looks for it in /root |
| 14:50.57 | Techdeck | how come? |
| 14:51.06 | s-andy | may be the problem is in ksmserver?.. |
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| 14:51.18 | pinotree | Techdeck: because you're doing a BIG mistake |
| 14:51.35 | Techdeck | pinotree, ? |
| 14:51.48 | Techdeck | in the last KDE version it wasnt a problem |
| 14:51.50 | pinotree | you have to specify the right install dir when doing ./configure |
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| 14:51.54 | Techdeck | :\ |
| 14:52.00 | Techdeck | why in the last installation it was ok? |
| 14:52.02 | s-andy | pinotree: np |
| 14:52.04 | Techdeck | i did the exact same |
| 14:52.05 | pinotree | moving the whole prefix after won't work |
| 14:52.11 | pinotree | Techdeck: luck |
| 14:52.12 | Techdeck | pinotree, it did on the last version |
| 14:52.14 | Techdeck | :\ |
| 14:52.16 | Techdeck | bah |
| 14:52.20 | Techdeck | I can't believe I need to rebuild this |
| 14:52.35 | pinotree | then pay attention next time |
| 14:52.40 | Techdeck | hey man, I did |
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| 14:52.45 | Techdeck | I already asked about this in this channel, too |
| 14:52.45 | pinotree | no |
| 14:52.47 | Crissi | hello |
| 14:52.51 | Techdeck | and people told me it is ok |
| 14:53.04 | pinotree | moving an already configured and installed kdelibs is not allowed |
| 14:53.09 | Techdeck | ok |
| 14:53.15 | Techdeck | I'll recompile :( |
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| 14:54.27 | Crissi | i just installed kde 3.5.5 on kubuntu but the media mount doesnt work (pmount standalone work). kde gives me a popup and if i click for open the media in konqueror nothing happens (no mount and no konqueror window). what could be missing? |
| 14:55.16 | Crissi | dapper here |
| 14:55.19 | Techdeck | another thing pinotree, I have tried to compile KDE now, and it tells me I don't have moc enabled in qt |
| 14:55.27 | pinotree | ? |
| 14:55.28 | Techdeck | I also checked ./configure --help and I don't see anything related to moc |
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| 14:55.34 | Techdeck | where is it? |
| 14:55.46 | pinotree | QTDIR/bin/moc |
| 14:55.52 | Techdeck | yes, but how is it compiled? |
| 14:56.00 | pinotree | with Qt |
| 14:56.00 | Techdeck | does it need any special options? |
| 14:56.07 | Techdeck | yes, but I did compile qt and it still didnt find it |
| 14:56.11 | pinotree | it should be detected with Qt |
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| 14:56.24 | Techdeck | weird |
| 14:56.25 | Techdeck | :\ |
| 14:56.26 | pinotree | `which moc` |
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| 14:56.46 | Techdeck | nada |
| 14:56.47 | Techdeck | :\ |
| 14:56.49 | Techdeck | weird |
| 14:56.53 | Techdeck | I'll look into it |
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| 14:57.25 | Techdeck | ironically KDE didn't compile qt for me, or if it did, it didn't do it right |
| 14:57.26 | Techdeck | :\ |
| 14:57.57 | Techdeck | but i think i know why |
| 14:58.01 | pinotree | kde does not compile qt |
| 14:58.07 | Techdeck | pinotree, I mean konstruct |
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| 14:58.23 | Techdeck | I probably forgot to make clean |
| 14:58.23 | Techdeck | :\ |
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| 15:00.17 | Techdeck | pinotree, |
| 15:00.18 | Techdeck | prefix ?= /usr/kde |
| 15:00.18 | Techdeck | exec_prefix = $(prefix) |
| 15:00.21 | Techdeck | thats all I need, right? |
| 15:00.27 | pinotree | no |
| 15:00.37 | pinotree | --prefix=/what/you/want |
| 15:00.43 | Techdeck | i use konstruct |
| 15:00.52 | pinotree | the other subpaths are calc'ed accordingly to it |
| 15:00.54 | Techdeck | this is gar.conf.mk |
| 15:01.09 | Techdeck | i don't even ./configure |
| 15:01.12 | Techdeck | it does it for me |
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| 15:01.27 | Techdeck | so all I need to do is change gar.conf.mk? |
| 15:01.45 | pinotree | probably, i never used konstruct before |
| 15:01.51 | Techdeck | ahh ok, you should |
| 15:01.53 | Techdeck | it's mmmmgreat |
| 15:02.09 | Techdeck | saves LOTS of time |
| 15:02.10 | pinotree | why? |
| 15:02.20 | pinotree | i know how to compile kde myself |
| 15:02.23 | Techdeck | I can let it run overnight and I know it will do the job for me |
| 15:02.34 | pinotree | passing the right options to configure, etc |
| 15:02.41 | Techdeck | this way I don't have to stay attached to the computer while compiling this monsterous program |
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| 15:02.55 | Techdeck | well I can do that too, but why do it manually when it's already possible to do it automatically? |
| 15:02.56 | Techdeck | :p |
| 15:03.14 | Techdeck | i just run a small bash script that goes through the kde packages and installs them for me using konstruct |
| 15:03.34 | Techdeck | of course it has some disadvantages but imo its worth it |
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| 15:11.23 | Ace2016 | How do i see kopete chat history |
| 15:11.27 | Ace2016 | or how do i get it to keep one? |
| 15:11.40 | pinotree | right click on a contact -> show history |
| 15:11.44 | mark_alec | Ace2016: look in ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs |
| 15:11.50 | Ace2016 | Nothing there |
| 15:12.04 | pinotree | did you activate the plugin? |
| 15:12.14 | Ace2016 | what plugin? |
| 15:12.18 | pinotree | settings -> configure plugins -> [check] history |
| 15:12.21 | Ace2016 | where are plugins? |
| 15:12.37 | pinotree | settings -> configure plugins -> [check] history |
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| 15:13.58 | Ace2016 | Ok thanks, how do i get it to store it in that folder though? |
| 15:14.14 | pinotree | once it's activated, it will do the job automatically |
| 15:14.38 | pinotree | to see the history for a contact, right click on a contact -> show history |
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| 15:36.37 | M_A_K | Can someone help me connect to my printer (attached to my windows box and shared) from linux (KDE)? |
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| 15:42.21 | staroin | M_A_K: which distro? |
| 15:42.22 | pinotree | M_A_K: try starting the new printer wizard |
| 15:42.44 | M_A_K | Ubuntu - Tried the printer wizard. Problem is cant figure out the username on windows? |
| 15:42.59 | M_A_K | The machine is set up with an account for my wife with no password. |
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| 15:43.14 | mariux | why would konq make my /mnt/seagate hd spin up when i right click on any file (not located on the hd) ? |
| 15:43.26 | M_A_K | I tried the wizard for smb shared printer. |
| 15:43.42 | staroin | M_A_K: try putting a password on the windows box, I had a similiar problem |
| 15:43.52 | staroin | this was with win2k |
| 15:43.53 | M_A_K | Ok, I will try.. |
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| 15:43.59 | M_A_K | Using XP |
| 15:44.41 | ilj | what is "qtcurve" theme/style (how does it differ from traditional kde themes/styles?) and how does one install it? |
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| 15:48.59 | M_A_K | Weird, if I use anonymous, then I can see her machine in the workgroup. If I use username and password, I cannot. I wonder if I have the username wrong. |
| 15:49.09 | chimaera | hi. since upgrading to 3.5.5 i cannot log out. the logout-entry in kmenu simply does nothing. any ideas? |
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| 16:10.46 | tafsen | How can I make firefox look beter in KDE? |
| 16:10.58 | mark_alec | pick a different theme |
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| 16:11.19 | DocTomoe | any idea what application is responsible for opening docbook files? |
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| 16:13.27 | alsuren | DocTomoe: tell me if you find out |
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| 16:16.06 | PhilRod | DocTomoe: they're just plain text, so you can open them with $YOUR_FAVOURITE_EDITOR |
| 16:16.37 | PhilRod | if you want to look at the HTML output, use khelpcenter |
| 16:16.55 | PhilRod | though it's a little more complicated if you're editing the docbook file |
| 16:17.23 | chimaera | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.27 | PhilRod | tafsen: if you mean that the fonts look bad, you might need to run "gnome-settings-daemon" (or something like that) |
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| 16:18.44 | PhilRod | chimaera: weird. What distro? does it work for a new user? does "dcop ksmserver default 1 1 1" work? Are there any useful error messages in ~/.xsession-errors, or wherever your distro puts the X output? |
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| 16:19.48 | chimaera | PhilRod: kubuntu. it doesn't work for a new user, but whenever i start a 2nd session, it's working there. i'll check the tipps you gave.. |
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| 16:24.02 | Ace2016 | are there problems with kubuntu's kde 3.5.5? |
| 16:24.15 | chimaera | PhilRod: there's no function "1" |
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| 16:24.23 | chimaera | Ace2016: at least i have some |
| 16:24.32 | Ace2016 | what are they? |
| 16:24.44 | chimaera | can't log pout, probs with the sound-server. |
| 16:24.47 | PhilRod | chimaera: oops: dcop ksmserver default logout 1 1 1 |
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| 16:25.16 | chimaera | PhilRod: no error but does nothing . |
| 16:25.54 | PhilRod | grr, those stupid undocumented int arguments |
| 16:26.02 | PhilRod | are you using kdm? |
| 16:26.11 | chimaera | yes |
| 16:26.59 | PhilRod | hrm, there's a kdm command line way to log out, I think - take a look at the kdm docs |
| 16:27.05 | PhilRod | see if that works |
| 16:27.10 | chimaera | will do |
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| 16:27.29 | yanis | happy birthdayyyy |
| 16:28.07 | chimaera | thanks! how'd you know?!? |
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| 16:30.42 | PhilRod | chimaera: it's advertised all over www.kde.org :-) |
| 16:31.01 | chimaera | actually, i was kidding ;) |
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| 16:32.44 | yanis | how old was Matthias when he started KDE? |
| 16:32.52 | Ace2016 | hey who said to run: dcop ksmserver default logout 1 1 1 |
| 16:33.23 | Ace2016 | it restarted my computer, didn't just log out, and now my window decoration is gone ad kbfx isn't in kicker |
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| 16:34.13 | chimaera | Ace2016: who told you to type it? |
| 16:34.18 | Ace2016 | i don't know |
| 16:34.23 | Ace2016 | i just typed |
| 16:34.33 | chimaera | Ace2016: do you also do rm -rf .* ?? |
| 16:34.34 | Ace2016 | into konsole |
| 16:34.45 | chimaera | don't do that! |
| 16:34.50 | Ace2016 | no but that wouldn't hurt the system |
| 16:35.48 | Ace2016 | you'd have to do rm -rf / to remove a kicker applet from even showing up in the add applet dialogue |
| 16:36.01 | PhilRod | Ace2016: oops, that was me: those "1 1 1" are some options that you have to pass it, and they're not documented AFAIK, so I guessed |
| 16:36.08 | PhilRod | "0 0 0" might be better |
| 16:36.16 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 16:36.44 | PhilRod | best would be to go look in the source code, but I'm afraid I don't have time |
| 16:36.45 | yanis | so how old was Matthias when he started KDE? |
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| 16:36.53 | Ace2016 | oh i might just update to kde 3.5.5 or install kubuntu then |
| 16:36.56 | PhilRod | if someone would do that it would be great |
| 16:37.14 | PhilRod | yanis: I think he was a student, so about 20 I guess |
| 16:37.30 | yanis | fuck, I have only 2-3 months before I start my own desktop |
| 16:37.33 | yanis | damn it |
| 16:37.36 | PhilRod | yanis: look in the "people behind kde" archives: that'll have him there somewhere |
| 16:37.41 | yanis | I am so busy right now |
| 16:37.43 | Ace2016 | your creating a new desktop environment? |
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| 16:37.53 | yanis | I have to |
| 16:38.04 | Ace2016 | will it have active desktop borders? to switch desktops? |
| 16:38.06 | PhilRod | yanis: that's like saying you're 25 symphonies behind Mozart, or something. Not really a fair comparison ;-) |
| 16:38.12 | Ace2016 | and can it use mouse buttons for sortcuts? |
| 16:38.21 | yanis | Ace2016: whatever the users want |
| 16:38.35 | yanis | it will be the one , the best blah blah blah |
| 16:38.42 | Ace2016 | yanis: I request kde features + those |
| 16:39.00 | Ace2016 | well the second one, the first one is already there |
| 16:39.03 | Ace2016 | :D |
| 16:39.14 | neopc_ | oi tudo bem? |
| 16:39.16 | Ace2016 | so where is the website? |
| 16:39.37 | pinotree | neopc_: english please |
| 16:39.54 | yanis | Ace2016: of course there is not.I have only pasted a mail: http://groups.google.com/group/de.comp.os.linux.misc/msg/cb4b2d67ffc3ffce |
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| 16:41.17 | Ace2016 | what about screenshots? |
| 16:41.47 | sirius_alpha | hi, changing (adding, deleting, moving) bookmarks in konqueror takes quite long (about 2 to 3 seconds) for each action. any ideas what is wrong? (debian unstable, problem appears with all 3.5.x version, I haven't used kde before that) |
| 16:42.15 | neopc_ | oi tudo bem? |
| 16:42.18 | Ace2016 | yanis: why do you have to make a new desktop environment? why not use kde? |
| 16:42.27 | pinotree | neopc_: english please |
| 16:42.38 | oGALAXYo | sirius_alpha: its probably the FAMD or GAMMIN daemon that causes this |
| 16:42.52 | yanis | Ace2016: cause kde devs dont listen what the user say |
| 16:43.44 | benJIman | yanis: It's free software you can do what you want with it. |
| 16:43.55 | Ace2016 | yanis: so your makeing a new DE based on KDE? and what are the kde devs not doing? |
| 16:44.00 | sirius_alpha | oGALAXYo: is there any solution? famd is running here |
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| 16:44.18 | oGALAXYo | sirius_alpha: well try 'killall famd' and see if it improves speed |
| 16:44.28 | yanis | benJIman: big words. 'patch not accepted' are you familiar? |
| 16:45.03 | benJIman | yanis: just because it's not accepted into official KDE doesn't mean you can't use it in your version. |
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| 16:45.20 | benJIman | If every patch and change that someone wanted was accepted there would be carnage. |
| 16:45.28 | yanis | benJIman: of course , I can. I just want to provide a better desktop for everyone |
| 16:45.57 | yanis | benJIman: true.but there are good patces that aren't accepted |
| 16:46.08 | pinotree | yanis: like? |
| 16:46.09 | edu | oi tudo bem? |
| 16:46.15 | pinotree | edu: ENGLISH |
| 16:46.17 | yanis | hey pinotree :) |
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| 16:46.40 | benJIman | yanis: not everyone has the same opinion of what is good. |
| 16:46.41 | pinotree | yanis: so you're just frustrated of having a patch rejected? |
| 16:47.00 | pinotree | are you sure you patch was perfect, without *ANY* error? |
| 16:47.03 | yanis | pinotree: not me.some devs I know |
| 16:47.14 | yanis | people, It's not about not quality patches |
| 16:47.21 | yanis | it's about choices and policy |
| 16:47.30 | pinotree | "some devs" "patches" - too generic |
| 16:47.32 | edu | oi tudo bem? |
| 16:47.49 | pinotree | edu: ENGLISH |
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| 16:47.57 | pinotree | yanis: explain |
| 16:48.03 | edu | oi tudo bem? |
| 16:48.04 | sirius_alpha | oGALAXYo: I just recognize, that it is NOT running, although there is an init script for it, which confuses me. |
| 16:48.07 | Techdeck | lol |
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| 16:48.23 | Techdeck | pinotree, ignore is your friend |
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| 16:48.34 | Techdeck | or op :p |
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| 16:49.08 | Techdeck | pinotree, so far so good btw, I just forgot to make clean in qt, thats why it didn't (re)install it |
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| 16:49.40 | sirius_alpha | oGALAXYo: ah, it doesn't start up if inetd is running (which is the case). can inetd cause the problem? |
| 16:49.47 | pinotree | yanis: are you able to explain this "choices and policy" stuff, or it's just frustration? |
| 16:49.47 | Techdeck | what's the adverage compile time for KDE? |
| 16:49.56 | Techdeck | let's say on a 3GHz |
| 16:49.57 | pinotree | Techdeck: depends mostly on your hw |
| 16:50.10 | yanis | I could be refered to kopete for example. there are certain usability repocts that claim that kopete interface is cluttered.but the devs doent do anything |
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| 16:50.31 | pinotree | yanis: usability reports != patches |
| 16:50.34 | Techdeck | pinotree, 3GHz CPU, 1GB of ram, uhmm, big harddisk with 7200 RPM |
| 16:50.44 | Techdeck | how much do you estimate it will take on such hardware? |
| 16:50.44 | pinotree | you talked about _patches_, not _reports_ |
| 16:50.49 | adamt | yanis: see, there's the thing - talk alone doesn't help anything... |
| 16:50.57 | benJIman | yanis: work is being done in that area, and patches have certainly not been rejected. |
| 16:50.58 | pinotree | Techdeck: ~30m for kdelibs |
| 16:51.07 | pinotree | (or sort of) |
| 16:51.14 | Techdeck | all of the KDE packages, including their libs too |
| 16:51.19 | Techdeck | the whole thing |
| 16:51.48 | pinotree | probably around 4 hours |
| 16:51.57 | Techdeck | cool, thanks |
| 16:52.14 | yanis | ok, to be more accurate I'ts about choices not patches |
| 16:52.39 | pinotree | see how things changes |
| 16:52.51 | pinotree | choices like? |
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| 16:53.30 | yanis | ok to put things in the ricght perspective. choices like the default configuration of the applications |
| 16:53.31 | benJIman | yanis: you gave the example of kopete not doing something they are doing, but there are manpower constraints. |
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| 16:54.30 | yanis | benJIman: no.It's about the have configured kopete in that way (cluttered one) |
| 16:54.34 | yanis | *they |
| 16:54.47 | benJIman | yanis: it's a manpower constraint |
| 16:55.05 | yanis | manpower costraint:not enough human resources? |
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| 16:55.09 | Techdeck | pinotree, how much time would it take on the same hardware, just in vmware? :p |
| 16:55.11 | Techdeck | double? |
| 16:55.12 | benJIman | yanis: indeed. |
| 16:55.36 | pinotree | Techdeck: no idea |
| 16:55.41 | benJIman | yanis: if you have the time to go make the requred changes then please do, the devs are aware of the issues. |
| 16:55.51 | Techdeck | :\ |
| 16:56.01 | benJIman | But also too few people & too much work. |
| 16:56.37 | yanis | benJIman: I have tried: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-usability&m=114221847415088&w=2 |
| 16:57.29 | benJIman | yanis: That isn't kopete-devel |
| 16:57.46 | yanis | benJIman: kopete devs have participated in that |
| 16:58.14 | pinotree | yanis: starting shouting like you did is not helpful at all, right? |
| 16:58.22 | pinotree | in the ml, i mean |
| 16:58.32 | pinotree | and |
| 16:58.35 | benJIman | yanis: noone who works on kopete uses the default config. |
| 16:58.41 | benJIman | yanis: just noone has got round to changing it. |
| 16:59.06 | yanis | pinotree: you mean that what I did in the list didnt have an effect? |
| 16:59.06 | pinotree | yanis: some of the things you complained about about are done in a quite similar way in other IM clients |
| 16:59.38 | pinotree | no, i mean doing thinks like: |
| 16:59.40 | pinotree | 3. What Forward/Back buttons (action) do????? 'ReadTheFucknigManual' |
| 16:59.40 | pinotree | is not a answer that has a usability oriented basis. |
| 16:59.43 | benJIman | yanis: I don't see that at all, the work /is/ being done, it may not be being done as fast as you might like, but developers are not magicians |
| 16:59.46 | pinotree | is _shouting_ |
| 16:59.51 | yanis | benJIman: dont you think that it would be better if they changed the default conf so it is useb by most people? |
| 17:00.03 | benJIman | yanis: you're not listening to a word I've said. |
| 17:00.10 | benJIman | yanis: it /is/ being changed. |
| 17:00.37 | yanis | pinotree: maybe.what's wrong with that? |
| 17:00.43 | benJIman | Your whole complaint is that things havn't happend as fast as you'd like, which is only because there is a resource constraint. |
| 17:01.10 | yanis | benJIman: fast? |
| 17:01.15 | yanis | I dont get it |
| 17:01.23 | pinotree | yanis: imagine i don't like something on a website of your, and i send you a mail like "you website sucks!!!! why is that color fscking red????" etc |
| 17:01.33 | pinotree | is that pleasure to see and read? |
| 17:01.35 | adamt | yanis: shouting is offensive. people don't like being shouted at for not using enough of his/her sparetime... |
| 17:02.01 | benJIman | yanis: The changes you have mentioned /are/ being made, I've told you this 4 or 5 times now, you are not listening. |
| 17:02.31 | benJIman | Things do not happen overnight when there are resource constraints. |
| 17:02.34 | yanis | benJIman: I have the latest version and nothing has changed.or has? |
| 17:02.49 | pinotree | yanis: that wa snot a report - that was just a random blaming of an user |
| 17:02.58 | PhilRod | furthermore, it's *easy* to find things that suck - it's a damn sight harder to constructively find ways to improve them |
| 17:03.13 | benJIman | yanis: For the last 12 months or so the KDE4 version has been the focus, so you won't see any changes in bugfix releases no. |
| 17:03.19 | asiraj | Why shouldn't we have muliple config templates..some with simple UI like Yanis is suggesting..or a complex and blotted one..like the current defaults.. ? |
| 17:03.40 | asiraj | shoudn't that please the crowd ? |
| 17:03.41 | PhilRod | er, I mean kde-usability the mailing list, not the genuine usability efforts in KDE |
| 17:04.01 | adamt | asiraj: because removing the toolbars is already quite easy? |
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| 17:04.09 | benJIman | asiraj: Noone is suggesting not implementing the changes, things don't just happen by themselves. |
| 17:04.23 | yanis | ok,I quit. I dont think irc is the best place to talk about these things. if I have time will use the lists |
| 17:04.26 | adamt | (but yes, being able to save configs and switch between them would be sweet in generel) |
| 17:04.47 | benJIman | yanis: things will be done as soon as time permits, There arn't enough developers working on kopete so things may take longer than you would like, if you want to see that change then do something to help. |
| 17:04.58 | asiraj | adamt: yes..some thing like that |
| 17:05.34 | yanis | benJIman: be honest now: I dont think it's about time. creating a good default conf file isnt time consuming man |
| 17:05.48 | pinotree | yanis: it is |
| 17:05.51 | yanis | it's much more time consuming to fix a bug or something |
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| 17:06.00 | pinotree | because you have to _research_ what the best option is |
| 17:06.00 | benJIman | yanis: It is fairly ,and there are 10 thousand and 1 other things that also need doing. |
| 17:06.19 | yanis | pinotree: but I have made the suggestions |
| 17:06.23 | pinotree | yanis: no |
| 17:06.38 | benJIman | For example the options you suggested in your mail don't seem like thebest choice to me. |
| 17:06.40 | adamt | yanis: you're ONE person... |
| 17:06.47 | pinotree | you've shouted only YOUR "usability" defaults |
| 17:07.01 | yanis | pinotree: ok. |
| 17:07.04 | benJIman | It's easy to make good defaults for any one person. |
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| 17:07.14 | pinotree | there are no real motivations about the choices |
| 17:07.15 | jester` | lo |
| 17:07.25 | PhilRod | "this sucks: do it better" isn't a suggestion. "I tested with <n> users and found that none of them used button <x>. Perhaps it can be changed/removed" is a suggestion |
| 17:07.34 | PhilRod | hi jester` |
| 17:07.45 | yanis | ok,maybe you're right people |
| 17:07.52 | pinotree | yanis: exactly, PhilRod got the point |
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| 17:08.32 | yanis | ok.let's stop this conversiation |
| 17:09.18 | Ace2016 | is it ok to remove kde-env since its blocking kde 3.5.5? |
| 17:09.18 | pinotree | Ace2016: ? |
| 17:09.18 | adamt | Ace2016: Gentoo? yes |
| 17:09.27 | adamt | (i already got the block a month ago, no idea why :-) |
| 17:11.05 | Ace2016 | yup gentoo |
| 17:11.08 | Ace2016 | so can i remove it? |
| 17:11.10 | adamt | yes |
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| 17:11.18 | Ace2016 | ok thanks |
| 17:11.24 | adamt | you're welcome |
| 17:11.27 | Ace2016 | but what does that package do? |
| 17:11.35 | adamt | no idea |
| 17:11.53 | adamt | i think i read about it on flameeyes blog, so you should be quite safe ;-) |
| 17:12.48 | Ace2016 | ok thanks |
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| 17:40.15 | tsb | http://krusader.sourceforge.net is down right? |
| 17:40.31 | Electrolyte | Oh wow. |
| 17:40.42 | Electrolyte | Konqueror 3.5.5 is much faster than 3.5.4 :o |
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| 17:41.47 | padde | Electrolyte: didn't feel that... |
| 17:41.52 | padde | Electrolyte: where? |
| 17:42.00 | Electrolyte | At rendering pages for me. |
| 17:42.05 | Electrolyte | And it's startup time. |
| 17:42.06 | padde | Electrolyte: for example? |
| 17:42.19 | padde | Electrolyte: lol |
| 17:42.22 | Electrolyte | Er, multiple websites at once. |
| 17:42.28 | padde | Electrolyte: placebo seems to work well for you :P |
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| 17:49.17 | igli | Ace2016: it provides a script in etc/env.d |
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| 17:49.27 | igli | which is now in kde-libs |
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| 18:00.35 | ecastro | what about kde4? I NEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD INFO! |
| 18:01.46 | kanttu | it's canceled |
| 18:02.28 | stoned | huh? |
| 18:02.39 | stoned | your mom got cancelled |
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| 18:02.49 | stoned | but for real though? |
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| 18:03.14 | stoned | wow |
| 18:03.17 | stoned | 10 years old |
| 18:03.30 | stoned | thats fucking awesome |
| 18:03.46 | igli_ | ?? |
| 18:04.58 | kanttu | yeah, it's kewl |
| 18:05.20 | adamt | ecastro: kanttu's right. KDE4 got cancelled. |
| 18:05.30 | PhilRod | pity, it was coming along nicely |
| 18:05.47 | PhilRod | !dinner |
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| 18:06.31 | ecastro | jajaja, come on! what a bad joke! |
| 18:07.12 | kanttu | fortunately vista will be released soon, it's almost like kde4 would have been + much more |
| 18:08.44 | stoned | dude |
| 18:08.50 | stoned | wtf did kde4 get cancelled for? |
| 18:09.30 | adamt | lack of manpower, and an upcoming lawsuit from Sun |
| 18:09.45 | adamt | (Sun wanted to protect their "looking glass" thingy..) |
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| 18:10.32 | kanttu | and the fundraiser for a layer totally failed |
| 18:10.43 | adamt | :( |
| 18:10.45 | ecastro | stoned: dont you realize it is a joke?! |
| 18:11.15 | adamt | ecastro: Why would we be joking about that? it's so sad :'( |
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| 18:11.38 | stoned | but why did kde4 get cancelled? |
| 18:11.53 | adamt | stoned: i just said that |
| 18:12.01 | adamt | [20:09:29] adamt | lack of manpower, and an upcoming lawsuit from Sun |
| 18:12.07 | stoned | sun? |
| 18:12.11 | adamt | yes |
| 18:12.13 | stoned | what the fuck does sun have to do with this? |
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| 18:12.21 | ecastro | adamt: tell me, for instance, why sun was going to take kde4 to trail? |
| 18:12.29 | StevenR | can kscd read cd-text from an audio cd ? |
| 18:12.30 | stoned | trial* |
| 18:12.38 | stoned | StevenR, it doesn't matter anymore |
| 18:12.47 | pinotree | stoned: ... |
| 18:12.48 | StevenR | stoned: eh? |
| 18:12.52 | stoned | :( |
| 18:12.53 | stoned | I'm sad |
| 18:12.57 | stoned | nothing else matters now |
| 18:13.00 | adamt | as i said, they wanted to protect their project called looking glass... |
| 18:13.09 | StevenR | stoned: it matters to me. |
| 18:13.28 | adamt | stoned: the 3d thingy, you know.. plasma reminded too much about it |
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| 18:13.35 | ecastro | adamt: looking glass has nothing to do with kde4... you are talking nonsenses |
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| 18:13.50 | stoned | StevenR, :) |
| 18:14.02 | stoned | StevenR, I've never heard of it |
| 18:14.11 | ecastro | adamt: and what about windows vista? compiz? etc? huh? Sun is going to lawsuit them all? |
| 18:14.18 | stoned | I do however believe I've heard of audio cds with lyrics |
| 18:14.21 | stoned | maybe |
| 18:14.22 | stoned | I dunno |
| 18:14.25 | fs-a | hi, what's the difference in running sth on an xterm and from a shortcut with exactly the same command? I have 'xqf' here that malfunctions if not run on an xterm. |
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| 18:14.47 | adamt | ecastro: sun? sue microsoft? of course not, sun would loose without doubt. KDE on the other hand... |
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| 18:15.52 | igli_ | StevenR: yeah I think kscd does read cd-text (been a while since I used it) |
| 18:17.02 | igli_ | ..and it didn't come up- sorry |
| 18:17.06 | fs-a | can i at least see a shortcut running in a verbose manner? |
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| 18:17.50 | igli_ | fs-a: not sure if it's much help, but in xterm is same as if on CLI; so if not in xterm, needs to know about GUI |
| 18:17.55 | StevenR | igli_: well I'm not sure if it did or not. That would have required me to be watching :) |
| 18:18.24 | igli_ | StevenR: thought it looped the text |
| 18:18.31 | adamt | stoned: and before you go.. of course not, KDE4 is coming along nicely.. |
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| 18:19.37 | stoned | adamt, but why did kde4 get cancelled? |
| 18:19.50 | adamt | stoned: it didn't, for Gods sake.. |
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| 18:19.55 | stoned | adamt, yes it did |
| 18:19.56 | stoned | you said so |
| 18:19.59 | stoned | and other did too |
| 18:20.00 | ecastro | i have just posted in several forums the info about kde4 being cancelled |
| 18:20.06 | igli_ | adamt: serves ya right ;) |
| 18:20.08 | ecastro | now you tell me that is not true? |
| 18:20.09 | pinotree | ? |
| 18:20.17 | Zenethian | Why does KDE hide certain directories in my root filesystem now? I can't see /mnt at all from konqueror, and that sucks. It's interfering with Amarok, because I cannot choose a directory in /mnt for my music. |
| 18:20.19 | stoned | whoah there |
| 18:20.26 | stoned | now I am just playing dumb |
| 18:20.30 | stoned | just to make fun of adamt back |
| 18:20.38 | stoned | but fuck dude, don't go around posting stupid shit on forums |
| 18:20.39 | stoned | :/ |
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| 18:20.58 | igli_ | ++ |
| 18:21.01 | Zenethian | Hey stoned... did you hear that debian is canceled. |
| 18:21.04 | adamt | lol |
| 18:21.06 | stoned | yes I did |
| 18:21.09 | stoned | it sucks |
| 18:21.10 | ecastro | hahaha, i havent posted anything |
| 18:21.12 | stoned | cuz I'm a debian user |
| 18:21.13 | Zenethian | Oh yeah, and RL is canceled too. |
| 18:21.33 | igli_ | i heard they're pulling linux.. |
| 18:21.43 | Zenethian | yeah |
| 18:21.47 | mariux | is my kontact missing some images? http://folk.ntnu.no/mariusst/bilder/web/kontact.png |
| 18:21.51 | Zenethian | gonna replace it with Xenix. |
| 18:22.13 | fs-a | lol, it turns out if xqf is run from a shortcut it doesn't use certain env vars used by ati's 3d accel |
| 18:22.16 | adamt | mariux: nope |
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| 18:22.26 | mariux | they are supposed to be white squares? |
| 18:22.27 | kanttu | linux kernel and kde should be merged together so you couldn't install linux without kde and vice versa |
| 18:22.41 | kanttu | and maybe mplayer too |
| 18:22.51 | kanttu | linux+kde+mplayer |
| 18:22.53 | adamt | mariux: basket 0.6-alpha got the icon too |
| 18:23.03 | stoned | hey |
| 18:23.05 | adamt | mariux: it supposedly means "to-do" |
| 18:23.11 | mariux | ok :) |
| 18:23.13 | stoned | is anyone working or localizing this damn thing in Urdu? |
| 18:23.27 | mariux | double todo? |
| 18:23.39 | adamt | staroin: look at the kde localization webpage |
| 18:23.45 | stoned | dude |
| 18:23.46 | adamt | mariux: not sure about that part :-) |
| 18:23.50 | stoned | thats insulting |
| 18:23.58 | stoned | at least address the correct person |
| 18:23.59 | stoned | ;) |
| 18:24.07 | adamt | dah |
| 18:24.18 | adamt | i hate weechats tab-completion :-) |
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| 18:24.45 | Ace2016 | use konversation |
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| 18:25.12 | Sho_ | Konversation 1.x has particularly nice tab completion |
| 18:25.31 | DrO|A | Hmm running kde 3.5.5, and now suddenly xchat uses its own grey theme instead of kde's color scheme.. anyone got an idea ? |
| 18:25.32 | adamt | Ace2016: Right. You really thought that comment was genious? :-) i switched away from konversation |
| 18:25.46 | benJIman | DrO|A: xchat isn't a KDE app. |
| 18:25.48 | mariux | isnt xchat gtk based DrO|A ? |
| 18:25.53 | mariux | try "konversation" |
| 18:25.56 | adamt | mariux: yes it is |
| 18:26.03 | Sho_ | adamt: Why, anyway? |
| 18:26.09 | Zenethian | So right.. |
| 18:26.13 | Zenethian | Why does KDE hide certain directories in my root filesystem now? I can't see /mnt at all from konqueror, and that sucks. It's interfering with Amarok, because I cannot choose a directory in /mnt for my music. |
| 18:26.15 | DrO|A | *taking a look at it* |
| 18:26.34 | mariux | Zenethian: i dont think it does |
| 18:26.40 | Sho_ | Zenethian: Konqueror certainly does no such thing as shipped by KDE ... perhaps it's a distro modification |
| 18:26.41 | Zenethian | DrO|A: You probably need to set your gtk2 theme to use the Gtk-Qt theme |
| 18:26.43 | mariux | sure its not the perms that are wrong? |
| 18:26.50 | Zenethian | Sho_: That might be true. Hmm |
| 18:27.05 | Zenethian | At least it narrows it down. |
| 18:27.07 | Zenethian | Thanks. ;) |
| 18:27.17 | mariux | Zenethian: |
| 18:27.30 | mariux | what happends if you type /mnt in the url field? |
| 18:27.42 | adamt | Sho_: No particular reason, actually, but i was running konversation from svn (as you might know), but then something quite buggy was committed, can't remember the details, but a restart were required every once and then (sometimes even after 5 minutes..).. so i found another client for the time being, and when the bug was fixed.. well.. i just kept using weechat :s |
| 18:27.46 | Zenethian | Oh, that's fine.. I can get to it. |
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| 18:28.03 | Zenethian | but Amarok gives me a treeview list with checkboxes, not a full filebrowser. |
| 18:28.07 | Zenethian | Which is freaking annoying. |
| 18:28.13 | Sho_ | adamt: 1.x are very solid, might want to check it out again some time I guess ;) |
| 18:28.20 | benJIman | Zenethian: if it's not readable by your user it may not show up. |
| 18:28.25 | mariux | Zenethian: you can change that |
| 18:28.26 | adamt | Zenethian: maybe konqueror isn't the real problem here |
| 18:28.30 | StevenR | igli_: well it seems that either: a) kscd doesn't do cd-text or b) there is no cd-text. |
| 18:28.38 | Zenethian | It is |
| 18:28.41 | Zenethian | but I Found the answer |
| 18:28.46 | benJIman | Zenethian: what is in /mnt ? mnt is temporary mountpoint according to filesystem heirarchy standard, so there probably won't be anything there anyway. |
| 18:28.47 | adamt | Sho_: Hehe, i might some day :-) |
| 18:28.54 | igli_ | Anyone else: doesn't kscd flash up CD text? |
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| 18:29.15 | Zenethian | in case you want to know, /.hidden has a list of directories to not be shown. I guess kubuntu is pretty strict by default. |
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| 18:29.30 | benJIman | Zenethian: That's a kubuntu modification. |
| 18:29.30 | Zenethian | benJIman: Meh, I don't care. |
| 18:29.43 | Zenethian | benJIman: Yeah, so I've found. Oh well, at least we know. |
| 18:29.45 | Zenethian | Thanks everyone. |
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| 18:30.56 | Zenethian | I <3 KDE. |
| 18:31.21 | kanttu | but does KDE <3 you? |
| 18:31.41 | Zenethian | :O |
| 18:31.45 | adamt | :p |
| 18:31.50 | Zenethian | kanttu: Yes, I do believe that KDE <3 me |
| 18:31.59 | Zenethian | It's always been kind and gentle to me. |
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| 18:32.11 | alsuren | does KDE <3 GNOME? |
| 18:32.16 | adamt | no |
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| 18:32.56 | kanttu | is KDE < GNOME? |
| 18:33.07 | adamt | KDE is a fine fine lady, and Gnome resembles a dwarf.. And the fine fine lady wants her husband to be somewhat taller than 4' |
| 18:33.14 | mariux | im sure KDE > Gnome |
| 18:33.27 | Hail_Spacecake | that's a dumb question to ask in #kde :) |
| 18:33.38 | alsuren | but unix says worse is better |
| 18:33.47 | kanttu | but KDE is just 3.55' tall |
| 18:34.11 | adamt | yes, but gnome is only 2'14" |
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| 18:34.24 | Hail_Spacecake | I've a question pertaining to keyboard layout switching |
| 18:34.33 | Hail_Spacecake | namely, that whenever I switch into the Russian keyboard layout |
| 18:34.33 | adamt | (that beats 3'5,5" |
| 18:34.35 | mariux | yea, gnome should be pulling a microsoft now, and calling the next version Gnome 360 |
| 18:34.36 | claire | kanttu, adamt: size does matter ;) |
| 18:34.43 | Hail_Spacecake | I can't use ctrl+alt+k to swtich out of it |
| 18:34.46 | stoned | actually he is correct |
| 18:34.47 | benJIman | but KDE is european so measured in CM, gnome is american and measured in obsolete units. |
| 18:34.49 | stoned | size does matter |
| 18:34.54 | Hail_Spacecake | anyone know why that might occur? |
| 18:35.00 | adamt | kanttu: yes, that is why i'm happy that i'm not a dwarf/gnome/leprecaun :-) |
| 18:35.05 | stoned | compare for exampke, regular fries, and supersized fries |
| 18:35.08 | stoned | HUGE difference |
| 18:36.31 | alsuren | right: changing to the 1.x version of konversation |
| 18:36.35 | alsuren | back in a bit |
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| 18:37.35 | ola_ | Hmm.. konversation looked pretty nice |
| 18:38.02 | Sho_ | alsuren: Might want to check out the new treelist mode: http://konversation.kde.org/screenshots/konversation10_3.png |
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| 18:38.59 | kanttu | I still prefer irssi as an irc client |
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| 18:39.12 | stoned | man |
| 18:39.13 | Sho_ | At least run irssi inside a Konsole tab in Konversation |
| 18:39.14 | Sho_ | ;) |
| 18:39.21 | mrgwen | hello |
| 18:39.25 | kanttu | heh |
| 18:39.31 | stoned | as soon as mr Sho_ here implements the feature I want most |
| 18:39.35 | stoned | I'll be there in konv. |
| 18:39.41 | Sho_ | stoned: which was again? |
| 18:39.48 | stoned | it saves messages, pops them up, works with kde |
| 18:39.51 | stoned | unlike xchat |
| 18:39.58 | stoned | if it had that one I'd be all over it |
| 18:40.07 | stoned | the xchat feature is the only I can think of Sho_ |
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| 18:40.13 | stoned | the devider |
| 18:40.16 | stoned | right alined nicks |
| 18:40.34 | stoned | the line that runs divider |
| 18:40.37 | stoned | I can't fucking spell |
| 18:40.39 | Sho_ | stoned: Ah ... I've got a prototype Qt4-based ircview widget that does the divider thing running |
| 18:40.54 | stoned | so how long is it gonna be |
| 18:40.58 | Sho_ | stoned: So ... should happen for the KDE4 version I guess |
| 18:40.59 | adamt | Sho_: how's the kde4 port coming along? |
| 18:41.00 | stoned | I've been a very patient man |
| 18:41.02 | Hail_Spacecake | anyone have any thoughts on my keyboard layout problem? |
| 18:41.03 | stoned | :( |
| 18:41.14 | Sho_ | adamt: Prototyping stage really |
| 18:41.50 | stoned | Sho_, can't you just simply make it so nicks are right aligned, and if a line is too long, it starts at the same spot |
| 18:41.55 | stoned | something like that, in the next patch |
| 18:42.04 | adamt | stoned: no |
| 18:42.10 | stoned | mirc does not have this feature either, but can be easily impletented with scripting |
| 18:42.17 | stoned | I figure it shouldn't be hard for konv. to do that |
| 18:42.18 | adamt | stoned: the ircwidget can't do that. requires a lot of work.. |
| 18:42.23 | stoned | ahh |
| 18:42.34 | Sho_ | stoned: That's more complicated than it sounds I'm afraid, when you have to account for variable-width font faces |
| 18:42.41 | stoned | ajj |
| 18:42.46 | Sho_ | stoned: But with Qt4's new text layout systems it's a lot easier |
| 18:42.46 | stoned | well i'll be |
| 18:42.53 | adamt | if it was easy that would have been done with the 1.0 release ;-) |
| 18:43.04 | alsuren | Sho_: where's the config option for that screenshot? |
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| 18:43.26 | Sho_ | alsuren: Settings -> Configure Konversations -> Interface -> Tabs -> Placement -> Left |
| 18:44.05 | alsuren | cool |
| 18:44.10 | alsuren | thanks |
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| 18:44.51 | igli_ | Hail_Spacecake: sorry, no idea |
| 18:44.52 | kanttu | btw. is there any vector graphics editor for kde yet? |
| 18:45.00 | Sho_ | kanttu: Karbon14 in KOffice |
| 18:45.48 | Sho_ | kanttu: http://www.koffice.org/karbon/pics/svg_2005_09.png / http://www.koffice.org/karbon/ |
| 18:45.52 | kanttu | what a name |
| 18:47.29 | Techdeck | pinotree, still compiling :p |
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| 18:47.32 | stoned | NP: Ice Cube -|- Laugh Now, Cry Later (Proper Retail) -|- " Smoke Some Weed " -|- (Rap) -|- (rating: 0/45) |
| 18:47.38 | stoned | now this is a phat beat |
| 18:47.44 | stoned | come bump with me |
| 18:47.48 | kanttu | I'll give it a try |
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| 18:48.54 | Sho_ | kanttu: It's not as fully-featured as Inkscape, but decent enough |
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| 18:54.01 | rizwaan | kopete_svn _/usr/include/linux/videodev2.h:622: error: '__s64' does not name a type |
| 18:54.10 | rizwaan | how to fix this |
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| 18:54.18 | kanttu | isn't there any vector graphics editor with "a smart filling tool" |
| 18:55.27 | kanttu | for example, if you draw "8" and want to fill upper hole with some color and lower hole with another color |
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| 18:56.29 | adamt | kanttu: i'm quite sure that doesn't exist, because that isn't the way to do it with vector graphic. |
| 18:56.59 | adamt | 2secs, kanttu |
| 18:57.19 | stoned | why did kde4 get cancelled |
| 18:57.30 | stoned | hah, too old now |
| 18:57.33 | stoned | I'm bored |
| 18:57.57 | kanttu | adamt: 2secs what? |
| 18:58.04 | Sho_ | stoned: kde4 cancelled? huh? |
| 18:58.14 | stoned | nm |
| 18:58.27 | stoned | you shoulda been here half n hour ago |
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| 18:59.53 | kanttu | adamt: how that isn't the way? when I colored this http://kanttu.emdia.fi/bratz3.svg some smart filling too would have been nice since it was tricky to color those areas |
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| 19:00.07 | adamt | kanttu: i think you might need to take two shapes, and substract one from the other. not sure karbon14 is capable of doing it. |
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| 19:00.40 | kyaneos | hi |
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| 19:01.07 | kanttu | but that "smart fill" would just make a new shape which would fill the area |
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| 19:01.22 | kanttu | just one click and that's it |
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| 19:02.06 | kanttu | perhaps I'll implement it myself :) |
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| 19:06.48 | tuxick | still having lost icons, now in amarok |
| 19:07.10 | tuxick | must be a setting/path somewhere, but where? |
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| 19:17.18 | mrgwen | are there users of ktabedit ? |
| 19:19.22 | Liquid_Fire | since i updated to 3.5.5, kmix won't allow me to set Win+Up or Win+Down as global shortcuts.. Win+Left/Right work, other apps accept Win+Up/Down, but kmix doesn't |
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| 19:20.16 | Liquid_Fire | and the shorcuts, which were set to Win+Up and Win+Down from before 3.5.5 don't work, but any others work |
| 19:21.16 | Liquid_Fire | it doesn't complain or anything, it just doesn't react when i press Win+Up or Down in the dialog for picking a shorcut |
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| 19:26.20 | whitehood | How do you like new design of kde web site? |
| 19:26.24 | kanttu | that key is not "Win" but left super key |
| 19:26.44 | kanttu | for myself I have penguin logo on that key |
| 19:28.04 | alsuren | whitehood: not sure about the curves on the left and right corners of the top banner |
| 19:29.05 | edward_ | yeh |
| 19:29.24 | edward_ | top banner needs fixed looks bad with large font |
| 19:29.42 | Liquid_Fire | okay, super key, but it still says "Win" when i press it |
| 19:29.48 | alsuren | the site that really needs work is the wiki, because they have an action that is triggered on doubleclick, which makes copying text out of it very frustrating |
| 19:30.42 | adamt | i like the banner very much., but the menu-headlines ("inform" (why no information?), "download" etc) just seems wrong. |
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| 19:35.24 | positivo | e ae tiozinho |
| 19:35.26 | positivo | kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 19:35.38 | buuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | kkkkkkkkk |
| 19:35.45 | pinotree | ??? |
| 19:36.58 | MinceR | sticky keyboards? |
| 19:37.23 | shadok | I vote for the cat :p |
| 19:37.46 | MinceR | cats have more entropy imo |
| 19:38.11 | shadok | yeah maybe :) |
| 19:38.33 | shadok | and nick change is strange |
| 19:38.35 | buuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | brazil |
| 19:38.40 | buuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | ???????????????????/ |
| 19:39.17 | pinotree | no |
| 19:39.19 | pinotree | english |
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| 19:39.43 | buuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | marijuana is the cure |
| 19:39.47 | buuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | ????????????? |
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| 19:40.06 | buuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | hauhuahauauahauhauhauaa |
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| 19:40.24 | pinotree | pff |
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| 19:47.45 | milian | hi, if I have suggestions for improving syntax highlighting (kate/kwrite), should I file a bugreport on kde.org ? |
| 19:48.12 | pinotree | why not? |
| 19:48.31 | smileaf | milian: or send an email to the list |
| 19:48.41 | milian | ok |
| 19:48.42 | milian | thanks |
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| 19:50.42 | milian | uhm, which list should I pick? kwrite-devel or kde-quality? |
| 19:51.33 | Ace2016 | Whats a list? |
| 19:51.42 | Ace2016 | why do you send emails to it? |
| 19:51.49 | smileaf | probably kwrite-devel |
| 19:52.01 | smileaf | Ace2016: http://kde.org/mailinglists/ |
| 19:52.05 | Ace2016 | will it email you back when the kde people read it? |
| 19:52.12 | Ace2016 | ok i'll read it |
| 19:52.27 | milian | ok, I thought that too, thanks |
| 19:52.38 | smileaf | pretty much you send emails to it. and it gets forwarded to everyone subscribed to the list. |
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| 19:53.27 | milian | Ace2016: it's similar to a web forum - but it's all based on emails |
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| 19:53.49 | eckhart | hi |
| 19:54.00 | adamt | hi eckhart |
| 19:54.26 | eckhart | is there anything about how konqi was born? |
| 19:54.49 | eckhart | search kde.org, haven't found anything |
| 19:55.33 | Ace2016 | what about spam? is that a problem with mailing lists? and can you reply to a specific person? is it like irc with email so everyone has a nick or is the email address shown? |
| 19:56.11 | eckhart | especially the question why a dragon was chosen |
| 19:56.19 | Ace2016 | milian: Oh i see thanks |
| 19:56.42 | Ace2016 | because its cool? |
| 19:56.43 | PhilRod | Ace2016: sometimes. yes (by replying by email). no |
| 19:57.16 | Ace2016 | eckhart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konqi |
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| 19:57.41 | eckhart | Ace2016: yes, these are the parts of the story i know |
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| 19:58.01 | eckhart | but this does not really answer the questions |
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| 20:01.35 | adamt | .. will Konqi be replaced when kde4 is finished? :( |
| 20:02.18 | benJIman | Konqi is a legend. |
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| 20:02.59 | PhilRod | adamt: I hope not |
| 20:03.00 | antik | I have one silly question: "How to change default homepage in Konqueror?" |
| 20:03.18 | PhilRod | try the faq (topic) and konqueror.kde.org |
| 20:03.21 | PhilRod | it's in one of those |
| 20:03.25 | benJIman | antik: well you can set homepage, but you probably just want to save the view profile |
| 20:03.37 | benJIman | settings -> save view profile, with the page you want open. |
| 20:04.46 | antik | and this is called intuitive and user friendly? |
| 20:05.04 | antik | I found no information about default homepage in help |
| 20:05.48 | antik | I can save default Konqueror window position with this profile too? |
| 20:06.03 | smileaf | antik: never was called anything really ;) |
| 20:06.47 | antik | when I start Konqueror it starts every time as small windows somewhere on desktop- I have to resize it every freaking time.... |
| 20:07.24 | antik | Opera remembers at least where it is closed last time... |
| 20:07.24 | adamt | you can file an email with your complaints to bill@microsoft.com :-) |
| 20:07.35 | smileaf | antik: when you go to save the window size. |
| 20:07.47 | smileaf | save the profile you'll see an option for* |
| 20:07.57 | antik | I already found it, thanks |
| 20:07.58 | smileaf | that was a very incomplete thought XD.. lol |
| 20:08.16 | Gentle | is there a way to tell konqueror to open a link in a new tab of an existing window through the commandline? konqueror doesn't seem to have any new-tab commandline switch |
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| 20:09.20 | mistermocha | konsole question: how do I set it up to copy automatically by selection? |
| 20:09.33 | antik | wow! it works! |
| 20:09.34 | mistermocha | and paste by right click (a la putty)? |
| 20:09.49 | smileaf | mistermocha: you have a mouse wheel by chance? |
| 20:09.58 | mistermocha | smileaf: y |
| 20:10.06 | smileaf | mistermocha: cuz if you do.. .click that. |
| 20:10.08 | antik | use it as third button |
| 20:10.19 | antik | default paste function in X |
| 20:10.27 | smileaf | mistermocha: works everywhere ;) |
| 20:10.29 | mistermocha | cool... that does the paste |
| 20:10.33 | mistermocha | but what about copy? |
| 20:10.39 | adamt | mistermocha: mark |
| 20:10.41 | Gentle | mistermocha, copy is mark |
| 20:10.42 | antik | just select text |
| 20:10.42 | smileaf | all you have to do is highlight something |
| 20:10.46 | Gentle | mistermocha, welcome to unix btw ;) |
| 20:10.55 | mistermocha | Gentle> mistermocha, welcome to unix btw ;) |
| 20:11.03 | mistermocha | =o |
| 20:11.06 | mistermocha | it works! |
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| 20:13.11 | Ace2016 | Gentle: You can make konqueror open new tabs instead of windows |
| 20:13.11 | Ace2016 | Gentle: Settings > Configure > Behaviour and uncheck open folders in separate windows |
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| 20:13.46 | Ace2016 | just don't middle click in the text box you type into irc with, you get kicked for flooding |
| 20:13.48 | Gentle | Ace2016, well, that works ;) but isn't there a dcop call for new tab? |
| 20:14.01 | smileaf | Gentle: kdcop is your friend. |
| 20:14.03 | Ace2016 | Gentle: Have a look with kdcop |
| 20:15.13 | antik | arrr, again this phpBB problem- Konqueror freezes for half a minute when I try to move or delete text with mouse... |
| 20:15.34 | Gentle | smileaf, Ace2016, thanks |
| 20:15.58 | adamt | antik: Don't use phpBB - it's like cheese with holes in it... :p |
| 20:16.20 | antik | yeah, but with other browsers I got no problems with phpBB |
| 20:17.12 | Gentle | antik, it's not the browsers, it's the webservers that have problems with phpBB ;) |
| 20:17.22 | Ace2016 | yea kdbus is the future |
| 20:18.03 | Ace2016 | whats wrong with phpBB?? |
| 20:18.26 | antik | phpBB got problem only with Konqueror, it does not matter what Apache or Http server you are using |
| 20:19.24 | smileaf | might be a javascripting issue. IMO konqi's is still a bit slow. |
| 20:19.31 | antik | I reported this problem half a year ago and it still there... |
| 20:20.46 | Ardonik | Happy tenth birthday, KDE! |
| 20:21.07 | Ardonik | http://dot.kde.org/1160834616/ |
| 20:21.33 | antik | Kool Desktop Environment |
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| 20:29.34 | StevenR | yay! 10 years of Kool desktops :) |
| 20:30.02 | smileaf | and 10 years of k-jokes! |
| 20:30.28 | StevenR | huzzah! |
| 20:30.37 | antik | I heard many jokes about G..something |
| 20:31.09 | smileaf | I'm sure there are many gokes :) |
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| 20:35.14 | i_is_cat | my bum has cool desktops |
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| 20:45.35 | cow_2001 | konqueror is being flooded with adblock icons |
| 20:45.35 | vitinho | o que é isso |
| 20:46.33 | cow_2001 | i mean, my konqueror. little icons of adblock are being added to the bottom of the window |
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| 20:46.48 | Flosoft | hey |
| 20:46.59 | Flosoft | I use KDE 3.5.5 on Kubuntu |
| 20:47.19 | vitinho | falo em português |
| 20:47.27 | Flosoft | and KnetworkManager doesn't want to conneczt |
| 20:47.38 | Flosoft | to my WPA2 secured wifi |
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| 20:47.40 | StevenR | vitinho: errm. english please |
| 20:47.51 | pinotree | StevenR: he's always the same |
| 20:47.52 | vitinho | not |
| 20:48.31 | Flosoft | it gets stuck @ 28% - Configuring Device |
| 20:49.01 | PhilRod | vitinho: /join #kde-br |
| 20:49.16 | vitinho | not |
| 20:49.27 | pinotree | ok |
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| 20:49.53 | StevenR | Flosoft: if you run it from a terminal, do you get any useful error info? |
| 20:49.53 | PhilRod | hrm, I'm sure there was a #kde-br |
| 20:50.04 | Flosoft | no |
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| 20:51.01 | Ace2016 | emerge failed already |
| 20:51.35 | PhilRod | ah, it's #kde-brasil |
| 20:52.31 | cow_2001 | how do i remove those adblock icons from the bottom of my konqueror window? |
| 20:52.48 | pinotree | right click on it |
| 20:52.55 | cow_2001 | it doesn't respond |
| 20:53.26 | StevenR | cow_2001: right-click on the corner, if you have the buggy version of it |
| 20:54.10 | cow_2001 | nothing |
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| 20:56.30 | StevenR | cow_2001: hmm.. what's the icon look like? |
| 20:57.40 | cow_2001 | a tin man's hat |
| 20:57.55 | cow_2001 | upside-down |
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| 20:58.04 | StevenR | screenshot? |
| 20:58.13 | mfroes | hey .,.. do someone has installed baghira ??? |
| 20:58.55 | cow_2001 | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Tin_woodman_cover.jpg - look on the left tin man |
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| 21:00.07 | mfroes | what the bab icon in the systray ? |
| 21:00.18 | mfroes | i cant find it on my systray |
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| 21:00.49 | StevenR | cow_2001: have you got a real screenshot? |
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| 21:06.28 | Q-collective | oh yeah |
| 21:06.34 | Q-collective | congrats KDE! |
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| 21:10.10 | i_is_cat | i just upgraded to 3.5.4 like last week or so what are the benefits of 3.5.5? |
| 21:10.23 | PhilRod | there's some bug fixes, might be one or two new features |
| 21:10.38 | PhilRod | see the changelog, which is probably linked from the release announcement on www.kde.org |
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| 21:11.00 | nothi | hello |
| 21:11.14 | nothi | i've got a problem with installation of XGL on my KDE 3.5.5 |
| 21:11.35 | antik | XGL IS the problem |
| 21:11.39 | PhilRod | heh |
| 21:11.42 | nothi | antik (: |
| 21:11.52 | nothi | there are some missing packages |
| 21:11.55 | PhilRod | nothi: I suspect the problem is something best dealt with in #yourdistro |
| 21:12.02 | PhilRod | but describe the problem, and we'll see |
| 21:12.28 | nothi | i try to install it on Kubuntu 6.06.1 |
| 21:12.37 | nothi | with this HOWTO http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060602173658632 |
| 21:12.57 | nothi | there is: sudo apt-get install compiz xserver-xgl libgl1-mesa libglitz-glx1 compiz-gnome cgwd cgwd-themes compizthemer gconf-editor |
| 21:13.10 | nothi | and there are missing packages |
| 21:13.23 | nothi | i've all needed repos added |
| 21:13.26 | nothi | any idea? |
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| 21:14.47 | alsuren | if there are missing packages, ask in #kubuntu or #ubuntu if that doesn't exist |
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| 21:15.46 | nothi | alsuren quite smart, i've asked them, they told me to ask here :d |
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| 21:16.41 | pinotree | nothi: no no |
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| 21:16.47 | pinotree | it's a _distro_ issue |
| 21:17.05 | nothi | pinotree ok, i'll ask them |
| 21:17.07 | nothi | thanks! |
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| 21:17.12 | nothi | bye guys! |
| 21:17.19 | xavier | hi where can i get help regarding STATIC SOUND for all TV stations in KdeTv? |
| 21:17.35 | alsuren | I feel like idling in ubuntu just so that I can see why they keep sending people here |
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| 21:18.17 | serishema | i thought this was the *developers* channel. rather than the help i can't get this to work channel? |
| 21:18.30 | Sutoka | the developers channel is #kde-devel |
| 21:18.33 | Sho_ | serishema: The developers channel is #kde-devel |
| 21:18.40 | alsuren | jinx! |
| 21:18.41 | serishema | ah right. |
| 21:18.43 | Sho_ | serishema: This one here is for user-support |
| 21:19.06 | Sutoka | can a third party say jinx? is that allowed in the rules? |
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| 21:19.10 | serishema | well i'm sort of development curious. I'm not a reall developer |
| 21:19.20 | alsuren | yes |
| 21:19.48 | antik | what os everyone is using here? |
| 21:20.07 | Sho_ | antik: Most Linux, some FreeBSD and Mac OS X |
| 21:20.22 | antik | KDE on mac? |
| 21:20.23 | alsuren | who's osx in here? |
| 21:20.39 | Sho_ | antik: yup |
| 21:20.42 | serishema | i can't see why that wouldn't work. |
| 21:20.50 | Sho_ | alsuren: My laptop dual-boots Mac OS X (equipped with various KDE apps) and Kubuntu |
| 21:20.57 | serishema | I played with kde on darwin at one point.. but i'm on linux (kubuntu) at the moment |
| 21:21.18 | alsuren | ppc or intel? |
| 21:21.29 | Sho_ | PowerPC G4 800 |
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| 21:21.34 | serishema | intel |
| 21:21.42 | Sutoka | i installed KDE on OS X once |
| 21:21.52 | Sutoka | then i installed it on a real computer ;-) |
| 21:21.52 | alsuren | I really wanna get myself a mac |
| 21:22.00 | serishema | i got sick of trying to port freebsd drivers to darwin to make my hardware actually work |
| 21:22.23 | antik | darwin is dead now? |
| 21:22.29 | Sutoka | what advantages does darwin have over freebsd? |
| 21:22.44 | Q-collective | antik: darwin has been dead for years? |
| 21:22.52 | alsuren | but my PC won't become obsolete for at least a few years, once I upgrade ram |
| 21:23.00 | serishema | none that i can see, less stuff works. |
| 21:23.21 | serishema | i was just curious. |
| 21:23.44 | antik | my ThinkPad from year 1999 can run latest KDE without problem: 500MHz Celeron with 320MB of ram... |
| 21:24.18 | alsuren | antik: but screw running gentoo on something like that |
| 21:24.24 | serishema | i think the slowest machine i ever ran kde on was a dual cpu p 100 with 128mb of ram |
| 21:24.31 | Sutoka | alsuren: unless you use distcc |
| 21:24.48 | alsuren | Sutoka: it's all about icecream |
| 21:24.52 | antik | I haven't used Gentoo over a year for now |
| 21:25.19 | Sutoka | alsuren: does icecream work fine with all non-kde apps? |
| 21:25.25 | serishema | so is gentoo not that great on low end hardware? A friend of mine is always claiming it is. |
| 21:25.30 | lilltiger | I'm using gentoo on my P3 866, KDE works like a charm :) |
| 21:25.46 | Sutoka | serishema: its 'not good' because you compile everything |
| 21:26.17 | lilltiger | serishema: it's very good, if you have a compilefarm :) |
| 21:26.23 | serishema | ah right.. and i think my svn compiles of kde take long enough |
| 21:26.26 | antik | actually with compiling you got less compatibility problems than with binary distro |
| 21:26.30 | alsuren | Sutoka: not sure, but given that you distribute a tarball chroot environment, which is used for compiling on the remote systems, I can't see why it wouldn't work |
| 21:26.44 | serishema | (2.8 days on a amd duron xp 1.3ghz) |
| 21:27.00 | lilltiger | w00t |
| 21:27.21 | Sutoka | alsuren: distribute a tarball chroot environment? distcc sounds like it would be easier to set up (if the systems all have the same version of gcc at least) |
| 21:27.28 | antik | why so long? (2,8days) |
| 21:27.29 | lilltiger | KDE takes 8-12h for me to compile.. P3 866, 1GB ram |
| 21:27.43 | Q-collective | antik: because KDE is big? :) |
| 21:28.11 | adamt | lilltiger: probably a very small amount of ram |
| 21:28.32 | Q-collective | lilltiger: I find that a bit hard to believe: I have a 2400+ @ 2,0GHz and 1G ram and it takes me 15 to 18 hours to compile KDE |
| 21:28.41 | antik | you don't have to compile all KDE packages or gentoo don't have metaports? |
| 21:28.48 | serishema | antik: because that machine is a peice of rubbish. it also only has 256mb of ram |
| 21:29.02 | serishema | i should try it on my new laptop. it might not take so long |
| 21:29.06 | Sutoka | Q-collective: is your -j value set too high maybe? if you're swapping while compiling KDE that will KILL the speed |
| 21:29.07 | alsuren | Sutoka: but if you're not in control of all the computers in the cluster (I'm thinking of making an icecream cluster in my uni if I can) then you get problems |
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| 21:29.32 | lilltiger | antik: only compile what you need, split ebuilds.. |
| 21:29.32 | Sutoka | antik: gentoo lets you compile the individual packages so you have finer grained control |
| 21:29.33 | adamt | antik: We have split ebuilds on gentoo. Beside the most nessesary packages, no, you don't have to compile everything on gentoo. |
| 21:29.43 | Q-collective | Sutoka: how do I check? |
| 21:29.57 | xavier | how can i force kde to use a custom resolution and refresh rate? it defaults to 60Hz on anything above 1024x768 :( i have replaced the mod lines in xorg.conf with 72 hz settings .. and after restarting X .. kde still uses 60 hz |
| 21:30.07 | Sutoka | alsuren: true, icecream would probably be easier for something like akademy where they have bunches of random machines |
| 21:30.15 | Sutoka | Q-collective: in your /etc/make.conf file |
| 21:30.18 | lilltiger | Q-collective: is that the whole KDE suit? |
| 21:30.29 | Sutoka | xavier: modify your xorg.conf |
| 21:30.34 | xavier | i did |
| 21:30.40 | alsuren | Sutoka: the aKademy icecream cluster was fucking awesome |
| 21:30.41 | xavier | where can i paste my file |
| 21:30.43 | Sutoka | xavier: KDE won't adjust your xorg settings unless you tell it to force different ones |
| 21:30.44 | xavier | !paste |
| 21:30.45 | alsuren | -j20 goodness |
| 21:30.46 | lilltiger | Q-collective: I havent tried to compile that for ages, might take alot longer then 12h.. :) |
| 21:30.54 | Sho_ | ~pastebin |
| 21:30.57 | apt | pastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:30.59 | xavier | i wish i could show u my conf file |
| 21:31.05 | xavier | ty |
| 21:31.09 | Q-collective | Sutoka: in my CFLAGS I guess? |
| 21:31.10 | xavier | i will show u my xorg file |
| 21:31.16 | Q-collective | Sutoka: it isn't set |
| 21:31.23 | Sutoka | Q-collective: no its... |
| 21:31.48 | Q-collective | lilltiger: yup, the whole of KDE |
| 21:31.49 | Q-collective | :) |
| 21:31.51 | Sutoka | Q-collective: MAKEOPTS="-j1" (i have mine set to 1 to have the least impact on my system possible) |
| 21:32.01 | antik | X -configure <this would detect correct gfx and display properties |
| 21:32.17 | Q-collective | Sutoka: no MAKEOPTS here |
| 21:32.20 | alsuren | Sutoka: and portage niceness=5 ? |
| 21:32.35 | lilltiger | KDE is soooo bloated when one builds the whole suit |
| 21:32.37 | Q-collective | PORTAGE_NICENESS=15 |
| 21:32.38 | Q-collective | :) |
| 21:32.48 | Sutoka | alsuren: PORTAGE_NICENESS="19" |
| 21:32.57 | Sutoka | alsuren: it still causes my disk to trash for some reason though |
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| 21:33.12 | serishema | actually i've noticed something if i run my builds with nice -20 (hog the cpu completely) it actually compiles slower? |
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| 21:33.26 | Q-collective | lilltiger: nah, I don't think it's bloated, it's very slick and well thought out imho |
| 21:33.34 | Sutoka | serishema: probably, because all the make processes will fight each other and it would probably switch more |
| 21:33.42 | lilltiger | Q-collective: so meny programs that I never uses :) |
| 21:33.50 | Sutoka | serishema: though i would just think it would go about the same, just feel longer |
| 21:33.51 | xavier | hi this is my xorg.conf file pasted >> http://channels.debian.net/paste/4055 |
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| 21:34.30 | Q-collective | Sutoka: what is the default -j setting? |
| 21:34.32 | xavier | i have added this line >> Modeline "1280x960@72" |
| 21:34.51 | antik | modelines is for 20th century- X can detect em himself |
| 21:34.55 | Sutoka | xavier: if you're not anti-closed source modules, you should use nvidia's driver instead of 'nv' |
| 21:35.19 | xavier | i have a Nvidia GeForce 2 Integrated card .. will it work? |
| 21:35.25 | Sutoka | should |
| 21:35.34 | alsuren | Sutoka: how much ram did you say you had? |
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| 21:35.48 | Sutoka | if its too 'old' you may have to use nvidia-legacy package instead of normal nvidia |
| 21:35.51 | Sutoka | alsuren: 1 gig |
| 21:35.59 | xavier | i used automatix ... and installed the nvidia driver .. but my xorg.conf file still shows NV :( |
| 21:36.03 | Sutoka | alsuren: amd 64 x2 3800 even |
| 21:36.34 | Sutoka | xavier: well if the nvidia driver is installed, simply change the Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia" and i've never heard of automatix (ubuntu junk?) |
| 21:37.14 | xavier | i have the nvidia tar file too .. but did not want to mess up .. so took the safer route |
| 21:37.32 | serishema | it's some kind of auto config thing that doesn't work |
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| 21:37.37 | serishema | well it didn't work for me |
| 21:37.37 | xavier | will i be locked out of KDE if i mess up my drivers? |
| 21:37.49 | antik | of course |
| 21:37.51 | alsuren | Sutoka: you could always mount your portage tmpdir in ram. I've been meaning to do that for ages, but never got round to it |
| 21:38.25 | alsuren | xavier: which is why you keep a backup of xorg.conf |
| 21:38.30 | xavier | Sutoka: so changing NV to nVidia should let me use my modline settings? |
| 21:38.31 | serishema | xavier: you could just do X -configure from the command line to get a default X config again though |
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| 21:38.35 | Sutoka | alsuren: i should try that some time |
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| 21:38.36 | thelostbyte | Hi |
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| 21:38.53 | Sutoka | xavier: if you use nvidia's driver it should be able to tell the best modelines on your own and won't need them |
| 21:39.03 | thelostbyte | I get this error, "Could not kind kdeinit" ??? |
| 21:39.28 | serishema | sounds like a broken installation |
| 21:39.33 | alsuren | thelostbyte: distro? |
| 21:39.34 | thelostbyte | How to fix this ? |
| 21:39.35 | xavier | okay .. tnx all .. trying out the Nvidia driver .. will be back if something goes wrong :) (fingers crossed) |
| 21:39.40 | thelostbyte | alsuren: kubuntu |
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| 21:39.45 | Sutoka | alsuren: shock! |
| 21:40.14 | xavier | serishema: ty for the X -configure tip |
| 21:40.16 | alsuren | Sutoka: I was half expecting him to say gentoo |
| 21:40.32 | xavier | why does everybody hate gentoo so much ? :) |
| 21:40.39 | thelostbyte | alsuren: I just upgraded to 3.5.5 |
| 21:40.58 | thelostbyte | and i get that.. |
| 21:41.03 | Sho_ | xavier: Not everybody - I like Gentoo a lot. |
| 21:41.13 | Sutoka | ditto |
| 21:41.25 | serishema | i thought it was pretty good, but i prefered freebsd |
| 21:41.37 | alsuren | xavier: Gentoo is what I use too. It' just ricers that everyone hates |
| 21:41.45 | Q-collective | Sutoka: what is the default -j setting? |
| 21:41.50 | Sutoka | -funrollloops!!!! |
| 21:41.58 | antik | -pipe |
| 21:42.13 | Sutoka | Q-collective: im not sure what it defaults to if you don't put any, but the recommended is number of procs + 1 |
| 21:42.21 | antik | but Linux memory management sucks |
| 21:42.28 | antik | too many swappings... |
| 21:42.30 | xavier | okay bbq l8r .. Sutoka: i installed the nvidia driver .. should i make the xorg.conf "nv" > "nvidia" before or after the reboot? |
| 21:42.31 | Sutoka | -pipe is fine, it doesn't 'rice' (just doesn't make temp files) |
| 21:42.44 | Sutoka | antik: thats what the swappiness controls |
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| 21:42.58 | alsuren | xavier: you probably don't need to reboot |
| 21:42.59 | thelostbyte | alsuren: any idea ? |
| 21:43.09 | PhilRod | thelostbyte: try starting "kdeinit" in some other window manager. See what output you get |
| 21:43.09 | alsuren | thelostbyte: not sure |
| 21:43.12 | Sutoka | xavier: just change it to nvidia, then restart xorg |
| 21:43.16 | PhilRod | thelostbyte: then tell us :-) |
| 21:43.22 | xavier | how do i restart xorg? |
| 21:43.35 | alsuren | I'd suggest trying to work out what package provides kdeinit or whatever |
| 21:43.40 | alsuren | and then reinstalling |
| 21:43.50 | Sutoka | xavier: log out, press control + alt + backspace then if you use xdm/kdm/gdm |
| 21:43.55 | alsuren | or even checking that your $PATH is set correctly |
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| 21:44.27 | alsuren | thelostbyte: I take it you've rebooted since the upgrade? |
| 21:44.35 | xavier | okay |
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| 21:45.00 | thelostbyte | alsuren: yes |
| 21:45.01 | PhilRod | thelostbyte: another general troubleshooting tip is to try with a newly-created user: that should tell you if the problem is some stale config files somewhere |
| 21:45.10 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: other window manager ? |
| 21:45.17 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: do it in console ? |
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| 21:46.26 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: ok |
| 21:46.29 | PhilRod | I don't think it'll work from a konsole (probably needs X server connection) |
| 21:46.36 | PhilRod | err, s/konsole/console/ |
| 21:46.51 | PhilRod | guess who's been using KDE too long :-) |
| 21:47.00 | Sutoka | PhilRod: or is a native german speaker |
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| 21:47.37 | PhilRod | heh, yeah, although you can count the number of German words I know on one hand |
| 21:48.18 | Sutoka | PhilRod: add konsole to that list! |
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| 21:48.41 | PhilRod | hrm, that might push it onto two hands |
| 21:49.14 | alsuren | PhilRod: what proportion of those words are kde-learnt, or expletives? |
| 21:49.30 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: Na, its the same from another user. |
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| 21:50.52 | PhilRod | alsuren: I learnt a handful when I went to Germany for akademy two years ago |
| 21:50.58 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: Where can i add this kdeinit line ? |
| 21:51.09 | PhilRod | thelostbyte: just open an xterm and put it in there |
| 21:51.12 | alsuren | thelostbyte: find / | grep kdeinit? |
| 21:52.12 | PhilRod | alsuren: but they're a random mix of things I could work out from context ("kein(e?) ausgang" on a door that sets off an alarm when you open it is pretty obvious ;-)) |
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| 21:52.26 | Sutoka | 'which kdeinit' to see if its in your path |
| 21:52.29 | f00f | hello |
| 21:52.32 | PhilRod | hi f00f |
| 21:52.36 | thelostbyte | alsuren: /usr/bin/kdeinit |
| 21:52.53 | f00f | I'm using XComposite, and I'm noticing that it gets really slow whenever I have fade in/out enabled and I switch between menus in an app |
| 21:53.08 | Sutoka | f00f: xcomposite is slow |
| 21:53.16 | thelostbyte | Its in my $PATH |
| 21:53.27 | f00f | not with the latest nvidia-drivers |
| 21:53.37 | f00f | hardware acceleration :) |
| 21:53.39 | Sutoka | f00f: are you using a gl accelerated composite manager? |
| 21:53.53 | Sutoka | f00f: if not, you're still doing it old xcomposite style which is slow |
| 21:53.56 | f00f | I get this: error 180 request 154 minor 14 serial 56987 |
| 21:55.01 | alsuren | thelostbyte: can you startx :2 and then run startkde from there, so we can get more debugging info? |
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| 21:55.27 | thelostbyte | alsuren: ok |
| 21:55.28 | g333k | Hi, I'm usign kuickshow, but I cant the thumbnails or small icons of the pictures.. how can I do that? |
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| 21:56.08 | f00f | weird.. it does it in OpenOffice |
| 21:56.09 | f00f | but not in Xchat |
| 21:56.20 | thelostbyte | alsuren: what is that suppose to do ? |
| 21:56.32 | vitinho | zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 21:57.01 | thelostbyte | alsuren: i dont get anythign there. |
| 21:57.06 | Sutoka | f00f: lets blame it on open office ;-) |
| 21:57.31 | alsuren | startx :2 should open an x session on screen :2 (if I have the syntax correct) |
| 21:57.32 | f00f | I blame QT |
| 21:57.37 | f00f | it only does it in QT apps |
| 21:57.43 | f00f | GTK handles it fine.. I think it's my theme |
| 21:57.49 | Q-collective | you mean Qt? |
| 21:58.17 | thelostbyte | alsuren: doest open anything ? |
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| 21:58.36 | thelostbyte | alsuren: i am on irssi at the moment. |
| 21:58.41 | Sutoka | f00f: openoffice generally uses gtk, fyi |
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| 21:58.55 | serishema | yay! qemu with the acellerator module that executes the code on the real cpu |
| 21:58.56 | Sutoka | f00f: what composite manager are you using? |
| 21:58.58 | thelostbyte | and i have kde on tty7 |
| 21:59.03 | thelostbyte | kdm sorry |
| 21:59.04 | Sutoka | serishema: kqemu? |
| 21:59.06 | f00f | kompmgr |
| 21:59.14 | Sutoka | f00f: try beryl, its awesome |
| 21:59.14 | Q-collective | Sutoka: I thought they used their own toolkit and used the gtk/qt widgets? |
| 21:59.17 | PhilRod | thanks pinotree :-) |
| 21:59.24 | serishema | sutoka: yeah.. I wasn't able to get it to compile before and now i figured out what i was doing wrong |
| 21:59.24 | Sutoka | Q-collective: thats what i meant |
| 21:59.29 | pinotree | np |
| 21:59.29 | Q-collective | right |
| 21:59.30 | Q-collective | :) |
| 21:59.50 | Sutoka | serishema: ah, ever tried the OSS accelerator (osx86 or something)? |
| 22:00.00 | alsuren | thelostbyte: and typing startx gives you what output? |
| 22:00.02 | serishema | nope, i might try that out. |
| 22:00.04 | Sutoka | serishema: and have you noticed any speed difference yet? |
| 22:00.39 | serishema | sutoka: i'm only in the windows XP installer, but it seems to be running as fast as native |
| 22:01.00 | serishema | sutoka: unfortunately the installer just crashed with an obscqure error so i don't think all the bugs are gone yet |
| 22:01.21 | Sutoka | serishema: try installing without kqemu, then once its done boot it with kqemu |
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| 22:01.51 | serishema | sutoka: i'm trying not using that option that makes it run kernel mode code with kqemu |
| 22:01.56 | thelostbyte | alsuren: typing that startx kde with a white screen and a small window saying.. "Could not start kdeinit, check your installation"... |
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| 22:02.12 | f00f | what version of xorg do you need for Xgl? |
| 22:02.19 | Sutoka | f00f: doesn't matter really |
| 22:02.34 | Sutoka | f00f: Xgl just sits on top of Xorg |
| 22:02.52 | Sutoka | f00f: i would recommend upgrading to Xorg 7.1 and using AIGLX (since you have the beta nvidia drivers you said) |
| 22:03.12 | serishema | the default ubuntu one worked for me. I don't use xgl though, it makes my laptop too hot to use on my lap |
| 22:03.29 | fredrikh | Sutoka: how fast a render composite op is, is determined by how the 2D driver in the X server chooses to perform the operation... if you use OpenGL, the operation will always be done with the 3D hardware, and the 2D driver can do that as well |
| 22:03.51 | Sutoka | fredrikh: eh? |
| 22:03.54 | PhilRod | thelostbyte: does your kdm have an option to run a different session (not kde)? Especially useful would be 'failsafe' if it exists. |
| 22:04.07 | fredrikh | Sutoka: very few drivers actually accelerate render ops however, the only ones i'm aware of that does it is the binary nvidia driver and the radeon driver (on r200/r100 based cards only) |
| 22:04.32 | Sutoka | fredrikh: f00f is using the binary nvidia driver (beta IIRC) |
| 22:04.32 | serishema | fredrikh: the i915 driver does as well |
| 22:04.42 | PhilRod | thelostbyte: from that session, you can start an xterm and try running 'kdeinit' in it. That should send some debugging info to the xterm |
| 22:04.56 | fredrikh | Sutoka: both the radeon driver and the nvidia driver use the texture combiners on the card to the op if i'm not mistaken |
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| 22:05.17 | Sutoka | fredrikh: so you're saying regular xcompositors should be accelerated as well? |
| 22:05.33 | fredrikh | Sutoka: i'm saying it depends on your driver :) |
| 22:05.51 | serishema | i generally agree than the nvidia binary drivers seem to be the only ones that actually support everything |
| 22:05.57 | Sutoka | fredrikh: well if you have the nvidia driver (since thats the one being used in this case) then |
| 22:06.04 | fredrikh | XAA drivers typically can't, because XAA was designed to accelerate solid and stipple fills, and lines, not alpha blending |
| 22:06.17 | serishema | eg cedega only seems to work with them |
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| 22:06.45 | Sutoka | serishema: nvidia's driver doesn't use a lot of Xorg's infrastructure |
| 22:07.10 | Sutoka | serishema: which is why its supported acceleration of indirect rendering for a long time already |
| 22:07.14 | fredrikh | Sutoka: the nvidia driver does accelerate the operations an Xrender based composition manager uses |
| 22:07.17 | thelostbyte | alsuren: yes i ran it , |
| 22:07.27 | thelostbyte | it sump some garbage |
| 22:07.31 | thelostbyte | dump'ed |
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| 22:07.32 | serishema | sutoka: ah that explains it. transgaming should really point out that cedega only actually works with nvidia cards |
| 22:07.41 | thelostbyte | and then last like says.. |
| 22:07.42 | fredrikh | Sutoka: Xcomposite is not slow in itself, and in fact both GL composite managers and Xrender based composite managers use Xcomposite |
| 22:07.44 | Sutoka | fredrikh: in my experience non-gl based compositors still run dog slow |
| 22:07.56 | Sutoka | serishema: they used to recommend nvidia |
| 22:08.05 | thelostbyte | alsuren: ERROR: No database available. |
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| 22:08.14 | fredrikh | Sutoka: what the Xcomposite extension provides is just the ability to access the windows as pixmaps, it doesn't provide blending or anything of the kind |
| 22:08.17 | PhilRod | thelostbyte: one man's garbage is another man's useful debug info: please paste the full output on a pastebin |
| 22:08.40 | Q-collective | hmm, are all drivers upgraded to EXA by now? |
| 22:08.42 | serishema | sutoka: I knew they recommended nvidia but that doesn't really make it clean that other cards do not work at all as opposed to working badly. |
| 22:08.51 | Sutoka | fredrikh: yeah i generally mean 'xrender accelerated xcomposit' when i say xcomposite... yay for screwing up terminology! |
| 22:09.09 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: k |
| 22:09.17 | f00f | ok, so I need an OpenGL accelerated window managaer? |
| 22:09.29 | f00f | I didn't really read up much on this Xcomposite stuff sry :) |
| 22:09.34 | fredrikh | Sutoka: what's even more confusing is that the blending op in Xrender is called XRenderComposite ;) |
| 22:09.45 | Sutoka | serishema: well ati's driver sucks, and no one else makes a high end enough video card for most games, they might be in trouble in the future if they came out saying 'ati sucks, don't use it' |
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| 22:10.40 | serishema | sutoka: I like to play games like the sims and age of mythology, etc that don't really even need hardware acellerated graphics at all so it seems a bit silly that i need a much better video card than i really do just to play games on linux |
| 22:11.18 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: wait a min, you previously wanted me to type kdeinit or sudo kdeinit ? |
| 22:11.19 | Sutoka | serishema: well if you use an nvidia card you can use the same one as on windows pretty much |
| 22:11.22 | Q-collective | the sims don't need accelerated graphics? |
| 22:11.41 | Q-collective | or AoM? |
| 22:11.42 | Sutoka | serishema: with ati, its just unusable often (like the x300 in my laptop) |
| 22:12.33 | serishema | Q-collective: Aom probably does, but the sims runs fine on my brothers computer that has no hardware acelleration whatsoever. |
| 22:12.37 | PhilRod | thelostbyte: just kdeinit |
| 22:12.40 | alsuren | don't wait up fellas |
| 22:12.48 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: ok |
| 22:12.51 | serishema | yay the xp installer didn't crash this time |
| 22:12.59 | Sutoka | alsuren: if you're already running Xorg 7.1, it takes about no time to setup |
| 22:13.01 | Q-collective | the problem with Ati is that they just don't release a decent quality driver for Linux, nor that they release the specs so we can write them instead ... :\ |
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| 22:13.11 | fredrikh | f00f: the errors you see xcompmgr printing on the console happens when an application creates a window on the screen, xcompmgr gets a notification that that happened and tells the X server to do something with the window (drawing it on the screen for example), but by the time the command is received by the X server, the application that created the window has destroyed it again |
| 22:13.16 | Sutoka | Q-collective: ati doesn't release a decent quality driver for windows even |
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| 22:13.39 | Q-collective | Sutoka: I have no experience with Windows |
| 22:13.46 | fredrikh | f00f: the X server then sends back an error notification event to xcompmgr saying "no such window" |
| 22:13.52 | xavier | OMG ppl .. i was locked out of X .. when i changed NV to NVIDIA |
| 22:13.54 | Q-collective | Sutoka: I was told they did though |
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| 22:14.00 | serishema | my inital impression is that with the kqemu module qemu is faster than virtual pc. at lot faster |
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| 22:14.19 | serishema | xavier? is the kernel land part of the driver working properly? |
| 22:14.22 | xavier | boy did i learn some new things in vi just now .. am happy i was able to restore the setting back |
| 22:14.31 | Q-collective | that is not hard, virtual pc sucks :^) |
| 22:14.32 | Sutoka | Q-collective: my laptop came with windows and i used it for a few weeks before reinstalling and it was just as bad as in windows, and back when i had an ati radeon 7500 i was using windows for a good bit of the time (their drivers didn't even install right off the cd!) |
| 22:14.34 | Q-collective | vmware++ |
| 22:14.53 | serishema | xavier: you should get some kind of an error in your x.org log explaining why the nvidia driver can't start |
| 22:14.56 | xavier | x gave the xgl error |
| 22:14.58 | Sutoka | serishema: how does it compare to vmware? or never tried that? |
| 22:15.02 | serishema | q-collective: vmware costs money. i'm a student |
| 22:15.10 | serishema | sutoka: never used vmware |
| 22:15.14 | xavier | how do i chk my log? |
| 22:15.15 | Sutoka | xavier: nano > vi (at least i didn't mention emacs!) |
| 22:15.18 | Q-collective | serishema: no, they're giving it away for free these days |
| 22:15.24 | xavier | lol |
| 22:15.28 | fredrikh | f00f: the numbers are the number of the error (each error type has a unique number), the number of the request xcompmgr sent to the server which caused the error, and the serial number of the request |
| 22:15.30 | serishema | q-collective: does it run on linux? |
| 22:15.31 | PhilRod | Q-collective: isn't that just the player? |
| 22:15.32 | xavier | figuring out how to INSERT was fun lol |
| 22:15.34 | alsuren | serishema: vmware-player is free, so long as you already have an image made |
| 22:15.51 | Q-collective | PhilRod: the server iirc, just not the workstation |
| 22:15.54 | serishema | alsuren: seems a bit pointless, if i can't make an os image i can't really use it |
| 22:15.57 | swede_x | vmware server is free also, and you can make your own images. |
| 22:15.58 | Sutoka | PhilRod: player and server |
| 22:16.00 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: pastebin.com/806683 |
| 22:16.02 | Q-collective | but the server just the exact same thing |
| 22:16.05 | Q-collective | so, lol |
| 22:16.06 | Sutoka | PhilRod: player can do most of what workstation can though |
| 22:16.11 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: my error ^^ |
| 22:16.17 | alsuren | serishema: but you can use qemu to make the image then run it on vmplayer |
| 22:16.24 | Sutoka | serishema PhilRod: use qemu to make the image for player |
| 22:16.27 | xavier | hey how can i be 100% sure i have the nvidia drivers properly installed? |
| 22:16.36 | xavier | maybe X could not find them |
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| 22:16.45 | Sutoka | xavier: 'cat /proc/modules |grep nvidia' |
| 22:16.46 | serishema | alsuren: oh right i didn't realie they were comptable |
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| 22:16.54 | xavier | i have a Nvidia Setttings in system menu |
| 22:16.56 | Q-collective | xavier: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 22:16.58 | Sutoka | xavier: if that prints nothing, the nvidia drivers weren't even loaded |
| 22:17.09 | xavier | i am using NV right now |
| 22:17.17 | xavier | not nvidia .. coz it locked me out |
| 22:17.24 | serishema | qemu seems more interesting to me though since it can do other CPUs besides intel |
| 22:17.27 | alsuren | serishema: there's even a gentoo wiki article or something about how to do it, if you google |
| 22:17.41 | PhilRod | thelostbyte: what was the error? |
| 22:17.58 | PhilRod | pastebin isn't loading here |
| 22:18.06 | thelostbyte | oh |
| 22:18.07 | serishema | i immagine emulating say sparc will be a lot slower though |
| 22:18.08 | Sutoka | serishema: i used qemu cause it generally just works (i tried to setup vmware yesterday, it was a PAIN, it took like 5 minutes just to open the app and responded so freaking slow, it used to be good) |
| 22:18.08 | xavier | ok i got some text |
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| 22:18.10 | xavier | agpgart 34888 2 nvidia,nvidia_agp, Live 0xee917000 |
| 22:18.14 | xavier | is this alright? |
| 22:18.23 | f00f | does beryl require gnome? |
| 22:18.25 | Sutoka | xavier: is that the only line? |
| 22:18.29 | Sutoka | f00f: no, compiz does though |
| 22:18.35 | xavier | nvidia 4550772 0 - Live 0xeef9c000 |
| 22:18.35 | xavier | i2c_core 21904 8 i2c_acpi_ec,nvidia,tuner,tda9887,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,i2c_amd756, Live 0xee92d000 |
| 22:18.35 | xavier | nvidia_agp 8348 1 - Live 0xee8d1000 |
| 22:18.35 | xavier | agpgart 34888 2 nvidia,nvidia_agp, Live 0xee917000 |
| 22:18.41 | xavier | these are all |
| 22:19.08 | Sutoka | f00f: beryl forked off of compiz, the compiz maintainer didn't seem to be all that thrilled about accepting patches, especially ones that remove useless gnome dependencies from what i've read |
| 22:19.34 | Sutoka | xavier: the line that starts with 'nvidia' means the nvidia module has been loaded |
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| 22:19.52 | Sutoka | check your Xorg log file (often /var/log/Xorg.0.log i think) |
| 22:19.58 | xavier | but when i typed that second command u gave me it showed this |
| 22:20.00 | xavier | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 22:20.05 | xavier | lots of these |
| 22:20.15 | Sutoka | xavier: nv doesn't support glx i think |
| 22:20.22 | Sutoka | nv doesn't support anything |
| 22:20.23 | serishema | does beryl actually work with kde? |
| 22:20.26 | f00f | good, because I run gentoo and don't feel like compiling gnome XD |
| 22:20.27 | Sutoka | serishema: yes |
| 22:20.31 | serishema | cool :-) |
| 22:20.46 | xavier | so do i have nvidia drivers properly installed ? |
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| 22:20.56 | serishema | i tried hacking compiz to work with kde but the result messed up my panel and made my machine unstable |
| 22:20.58 | Sutoka | xavier: maybe |
| 22:21.07 | Sutoka | serishema: haha :-P |
| 22:21.10 | xavier | y wont X let me use Nvidia then instead of nv |
| 22:21.21 | fredrikh | serishema: what's your problem with compiz and kde? |
| 22:21.23 | Sutoka | serishema: kde 3.5.5 includes a bug fix that makes the pager work with compiz/beryl |
| 22:21.50 | serishema | what i mentioned before, plus my windows had no title bars |
| 22:21.55 | pinotree | Sutoka: more than a bugfix, it's a feature... |
| 22:22.02 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/203059 |
| 22:22.09 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: there you go ^^ |
| 22:22.23 | Sutoka | serishema: qt-window-decorator is incomplete by a long shot (unless someone picked up maintainership recently) |
| 22:22.30 | fredrikh | serishema: the window decorator is a separate process in compiz |
| 22:22.35 | Sutoka | serishema: best to just use beryl, with the emerald decorator |
| 22:22.58 | xavier | hey btw in K > System > Nvidia Settings > nothing is displayed on the left hand side except "nvidia-settings Configuration" |
| 22:23.05 | serishema | fredrikh: i'm aware of that and it was running but only the gnome-window-decorator would actually draw title bars |
| 22:23.16 | serishema | i got the impression it was released before it was finished |
| 22:23.33 | Sutoka | serishema: qt-window-decorator wasn't released |
| 22:23.46 | fredrikh | serishema: there's a reason the version number is 0.2 :) |
| 22:23.52 | Sutoka | serishema: it the binary was even built that means you had to modify the source IIRC |
| 22:24.44 | PhilRod | thelostbyte: try "kbuildsycoca" [sic]. Does that give the "ERROR: no databas available" message? |
| 22:24.46 | serishema | hmm no ubuntu package for beryl |
| 22:25.00 | Sutoka | serishema: or maybe for it to run... yeah i think if you didn't modify the source when you compiled it (or didn't use proper flags saying something like I_KNOW_THIS_WONT_WORK) it will just exit at the start saying like 'this doesn't work' |
| 22:25.26 | thelostbyte | PhilRod: yes, same error. |
| 22:25.29 | PhilRod | hrm, is that the time? I'm off to sleep. thelostbyte: I guess someone else here will be able to help, if you can get them to stop talking about pretty flashy things |
| 22:25.34 | PhilRod | g'night |
| 22:25.39 | serishema | sutoka: i used the ubuntu package. looks like that exactly what they did and ended up with non-working binaries |
| 22:25.57 | thelostbyte | lol ... |
| 22:25.59 | thelostbyte | :( |
| 22:26.00 | Sutoka | serishema: ubuntu... SHOCK |
| 22:26.19 | thelostbyte | Anyone ? |
| 22:27.33 | serishema | sutoka: I think the problem with ubuntu is it attracts a lot of people who don't know anything about linux and expect it to be just like windows |
| 22:27.54 | Sutoka | serishema: seems like the devs want it to be just like windows as well... |
| 22:28.14 | antik | ...sama buggy |
| 22:28.35 | serishema | sutoka: I don't run it as they intend. I normally use the server install CD that doesn't even install a GUI and then set things up myself. |
| 22:28.55 | serishema | sutoka: when i can be bothered i'll probably go back to freebsd though. |
| 22:29.22 | serishema | sutoka: lots of their packages are broken and don't work or have circular dependancies |
| 22:30.20 | serishema | i was running opensolaris nevada until recently. |
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| 22:31.01 | antik | how to install software in solaris- I read loads of docks from sun but can't find anything useful? |
| 22:31.23 | serishema | antik: mess around trying to make linux sources compile |
| 22:31.29 | serishema | antik: which is why i don't run solaris any more |
| 22:31.45 | Sutoka | solaris doesn't have a package manager? |
| 22:32.03 | antik | they got 1000+ pages of some kind of documentation but how to install something.... |
| 22:32.15 | serishema | sutoka: it does. but you have to have a support subscription ($120 us a year) to get their packages |
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| 22:32.35 | Sutoka | so... opensolaris is like linux from scratch unless you pay them? awesome |
| 22:32.36 | serishema | sutoka: there are some packages on sunfreeware.com though |
| 22:32.47 | serishema | sutoka: yeah pretty much. Which is why i don't run it any more |
| 22:33.19 | serishema | and kernel land it doesn't seem any better than freebsd, except it's different enough that when i tried to write a driver for my vodafone mobile connect card i made the machine crash all the time |
| 22:33.30 | Sutoka | too bad they didn't just release opensolaris under the gpl so the good parts could just be cannabolized into the linux kernel (which is probably their reason for not gpl'ing it) |
| 22:34.08 | antik | they can't release BSD licensed code under GPL |
| 22:34.48 | Sutoka | iirc bsd license lets you even change the license, right? |
| 22:35.12 | antik | author can |
| 22:35.22 | Sutoka | but sun owned the copyright to the solaris code |
| 22:35.26 | antik | but most of BSD code is from "third party" |
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| 22:35.58 | antik | Solaris is based mostly on BSD Unix code |
| 22:36.01 | thelostbyte | I Get this error when i start kde "could not start kdeinit, check your installation" .. ? |
| 22:36.05 | antik | if I remember correctly |
| 22:36.05 | thelostbyte | Help. |
| 22:36.11 | serishema | I think the bsd license doesn't restrict you very much. Windows 2000/XP kernels have lots of bsd code in them |
| 22:36.19 | serishema | i don't think they liked having to say that in the readme |
| 22:36.31 | Sutoka | serishema: thats why they rewrote the network stack and called it a feature |
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| 22:42.37 | alsuren | let us never talk of the windows networking stack in this place :P |
| 22:43.35 | smileaf | it's not even halloween yet :'( |
| 22:44.36 | Sutoka | why scream by it? it was probably the most secure part of windows |
| 22:44.39 | alsuren | how many people do you think will be dressing up as bots and going trick or treating on irc? |
| 22:44.47 | Sutoka | haha |
| 22:44.54 | scast | Anyone uses KDE+Archlinux ? |
| 22:44.57 | Kyral | I do |
| 22:45.00 | Kyral | Sysinfo for 'HyperDream': Linux 2.6.17-beyond running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2100+ at 1734 MHz (3469 bogomips), HD: 316/432GB, RAM: 976/1011MB, 104 proc's, 3.26h up |
| 22:45.04 | Sutoka | im gonna probably go as a power ranger.... yeah yeah i don't care what you say! |
| 22:45.12 | scast | Sysinfo for 'titan': Linux 2.6.17-beyond running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz at 1694 MHz (3392 bogomips), HD: 11/44GB, RAM: 365/376MB, 106 proc's, 1.2h up |
| 22:45.12 | f00f | haha |
| 22:45.17 | smileaf | alsuren: how would you dress up as a bot? |
| 22:45.20 | scast | you have 3.5.5 :o |
| 22:45.30 | scast | -Syu's |
| 22:45.30 | Kyral | I have a newer KDE FOOL! MWAHAHA |
| 22:45.37 | f00f | ok.. I'm getting xorg 7.1 |
| 22:45.37 | Sutoka | System Information for [ toorima ] |
| 22:45.37 | Sutoka | OS/Kernel Linux 2.6.17-gentoo-r7moo |
| 22:45.37 | Sutoka | CPU Info AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ 2000.000 Mhz AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ 2000.000 Mhz 4008.99 Bogomips |
| 22:45.37 | Sutoka | 4004.58 Bogomips |
| 22:45.38 | Sutoka | HD Info 471GB total storage capacity |
| 22:45.39 | scast | ~_~ |
| 22:45.41 | apt | :/ |
| 22:45.41 | Sutoka | Memory 513.953/1002.74MB |
| 22:45.42 | Sutoka | Processes 122 |
| 22:45.44 | Sutoka | Uptime 8:45 |
| 22:45.46 | Sutoka | uh.... :-/ |
| 22:45.47 | Kyral | OUCH |
| 22:45.48 | f00f | beryl seems to want the modular xorg packages |
| 22:45.50 | Sutoka | i don't like that command... |
| 22:45.58 | Kyral | Use Konversation's /sysinfo |
| 22:46.02 | Sutoka | i did... |
| 22:46.06 | Kyral | ..wtf |
| 22:46.09 | scast | konvi version? |
| 22:46.10 | Kyral | did you modify yours? |
| 22:46.15 | scast | anyway kiral... |
| 22:46.20 | Kyral | its Kyral :P |
| 22:46.22 | alsuren | Sutoka: want some lycra? I'm sure some of our university rowers could provide |
| 22:46.23 | Sutoka | 0.18 #3016 |
| 22:46.29 | scast | do you have nicely antialised fonts in KDE apps? |
| 22:46.37 | Kyral | antialiased? |
| 22:46.40 | scast | (using hinting medium) |
| 22:46.41 | Sutoka | alsuren: lycra? |
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| 22:46.49 | Kyral | scast: I dunno lemme check |
| 22:46.52 | alsuren | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=lycra |
| 22:47.07 | Kyral | I'm using fully hinted |
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| 22:47.12 | scast | ah... |
| 22:47.21 | scast | I am using medium. |
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| 22:47.32 | scast | I like the fonts like that but I don't get that on Firefox |
| 22:47.32 | scast | >_> |
| 22:47.40 | scast | or in any GTK2 app for that matter. |
| 22:47.41 | Kyral | Though quite frankly I can't tell the difference |
| 22:47.54 | Sutoka | alsuren: haha... nice picture that comes up... |
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| 22:48.04 | Kim^J | Is there a site where I can buy KDE stuff? |
| 22:48.05 | scast | they updated freetype two days a go |
| 22:48.07 | Curtman | Can I hide the "Lost & Found" item in my K menu? It takes up the entire screen when I accidentally hover over it, and annoys me a great deal. ;) |
| 22:48.08 | Kyral | Sutoka: you are using 0.18 of Konvi? |
| 22:48.09 | Kim^J | CLothes and such? |
| 22:48.16 | scast | change it to medium and restart KDE and you will see a difference. |
| 22:48.20 | Sutoka | Kyral: yeah |
| 22:48.29 | Kyral | scast: no thanks...I like this the way it is :P |
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| 22:48.33 | Kyral | Sutoka: 1.0 is out |
| 22:48.43 | Kyral | Qt: 3.3.6 |
| 22:48.43 | Kyral | KDE: 3.5.5 |
| 22:48.44 | Kyral | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 22:48.48 | scast | Either way. |
| 22:48.49 | Kyral | whoops |
| 22:49.01 | scast | sometimes when you right-click in desktop you get a DCOP signal error? |
| 22:49.03 | Kim^J | Anywhere I can buy KDE clothi9ng??? |
| 22:49.04 | thelostbyte | what page should i install to update qt ? |
| 22:49.06 | Sutoka | i have kde-config 1.0 to! ;-) |
| 22:49.07 | scast | or in konqueror. |
| 22:49.10 | Kyral | scast: yah |
| 22:49.15 | Sutoka | scast: I'VE BEEN GETTING THAT TO |
| 22:49.21 | thelostbyte | package** |
| 22:49.22 | scast | THANKS! |
| 22:49.26 | Sutoka | scast: oops... caps... im have a weird day |
| 22:49.53 | scast | something like this... http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5596/dcoperrorvs7.png ? |
| 22:49.57 | smileaf | scast: http://www.kde.org/stuff/merchandise.php |
| 22:50.08 | scast | o_o |
| 22:50.10 | alsuren | Kim^J: go to next year's aKademy? :P |
| 22:50.21 | f00f | Sutoka, how's beryl feature wise? |
| 22:50.27 | Sutoka | scast: i also have been getting that error if i right mouse click in konqueror like 1 per session |
| 22:50.29 | Kyral | scast: yes... |
| 22:50.29 | Kim^J | alsuren, When? And where? |
| 22:50.42 | Sutoka | f00f: really nice, more than compiz |
| 22:51.41 | alsuren | Kim^J: I was joking. smileaf posted a good link |
| 22:51.56 | scast | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125080 |
| 22:52.01 | scast | apparently a known bug |
| 22:52.12 | f00f | Sutoka, does it fit in with KDE well? |
| 22:52.13 | smileaf | too bad the page is in german :( |
| 22:52.19 | Kim^J | alsuren, They doesn't have anything... Well.. 4 items... I want more. |
| 22:52.23 | Sutoka | f00f: it fits ok |
| 22:52.27 | f00f | cool |
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| 22:52.38 | alsuren | Kim^J: that's about all they were selling at aKademy too |
| 22:52.44 | Kim^J | Ok |
| 22:52.47 | Kim^J | To bad. |
| 22:52.49 | alsuren | go to cafepress or something and make your own |
| 22:53.20 | smileaf | then give GPL the design and let KDE use it? :) |
| 22:53.26 | Kim^J | Well.. DO you know any other site selling clothes and such for Linux/geeks? |
| 22:53.39 | Kyral | www.thinkgeek.com |
| 22:53.41 | smileaf | thinkgeek? |
| 22:53.43 | smileaf | :) |
| 22:53.45 | Kyral | End query :P |
| 22:53.50 | Kim^J | Don't have what I'm looking for. |
| 22:53.54 | alsuren | it's all about cafepress |
| 22:54.02 | Kyral | ...*has problems believing that* |
| 22:54.17 | alsuren | http://alsuren.livejournal.com/92489.html |
| 22:54.26 | alsuren | those ones are my fave |
| 22:54.40 | f00f | that is so cool! |
| 22:54.46 | f00f | looking at the screenshots :D |
| 22:54.56 | smileaf | "Lunix"? |
| 22:55.38 | smileaf | LMAO... "lesbian" -- debian? :D |
| 22:55.44 | scast | Kyral: you have kdesvn installed? |
| 22:55.56 | scast | Sutoka: same for you, do you have kdesvn installed? |
| 22:56.00 | Kyral | scast: yes..and I need to bathroom...brb |
| 22:56.05 | Sutoka | scast: yeah |
| 22:56.13 | scast | apparently that's the source of the problem |
| 22:56.14 | Sutoka | scast: think thats it? |
| 22:56.19 | scast | Sutoka: what version? |
| 22:56.28 | Sutoka | scast: hm... let me unmerge then remerge once i finish updating koffice |
| 22:56.30 | f00f | I like the cube thing in beryl |
| 22:56.36 | Sutoka | 0.9.2 |
| 22:57.19 | scast | Uhm... |
| 22:57.32 | f00f | package 20/100 :( |
| 22:57.37 | scast | Apparently the problem is fixed from 0.9.1 and higher. |
| 22:57.44 | scast | but I have 0.10.0 and it happens. |
| 22:57.54 | f00f | XComposite creates a lot of possibilites though.. I'm liking it :D |
| 22:57.54 | Sutoka | smileaf: maybe they're saying something about Debian users? |
| 22:58.04 | Sutoka | scast: what distro are you using? |
| 22:58.09 | scast | Sutoka: archlinux |
| 22:58.14 | smileaf | Sutoka: why do you think I laughed? =p |
| 22:58.23 | f00f | I never made lesbians out for being elitist though |
| 22:58.25 | Sutoka | smileaf: ok my joke sucked |
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| 22:58.47 | xavier | hi .i'm back |
| 22:58.51 | f00f | welcome back |
| 22:58.54 | xavier | heres the problem now |
| 22:59.07 | xavier | i installed the nvidia legacy drivers |
| 22:59.17 | xavier | and i changed nv to NVIDIA |
| 22:59.34 | xavier | but X throws an error saying xgl module not found |
| 22:59.38 | Sutoka | 'nvidia' ;-) should matter though |
| 22:59.48 | xavier | is it case sensitive? |
| 22:59.50 | Sutoka | xavier: 'xgl'? or 'glx' ? |
| 22:59.59 | Sutoka | xavier: i don't think so |
| 22:59.59 | xavier | og glx sorry lol |
| 23:00.01 | xavier | oh |
| 23:00.17 | Sutoka | xavier: do you have Load 'glx' in your modules section? |
| 23:00.22 | xavier | yes |
| 23:00.32 | xavier | it says it cannot find that module |
| 23:00.42 | IceD^ | are there any plans to make kde fully net-wm compatible? |
| 23:00.45 | xavier | i have used Adept to install the nvidia legacy drivers |
| 23:00.48 | smileaf | #yourdistrohere :) |
| 23:00.49 | f00f | Sutoka, do I have to do anything else special besides installing beryl to use XGL? |
| 23:01.06 | Sutoka | f00f: if you want to use Xgl, you have to also install Xgl |
| 23:01.24 | f00f | ok.. I'm reading the howto right now *doh* XD |
| 23:01.52 | Sutoka | if you have Xorg 7.1 and nvidia i would recommend AIGLX over Xgl |
| 23:02.10 | f00f | I'm getting xorg-7.1 |
| 23:02.16 | f00f | cool :) |
| 23:02.25 | serishema | stupid laptop over heating |
| 23:02.26 | Sutoka | f00f: then install the beta drivers, and use AIGLX instead |
| 23:02.32 | f00f | I'll try aiglx |
| 23:02.33 | Sutoka | serishema: intel proc? |
| 23:02.35 | scast | brb |
| 23:02.43 | serishema | yeah |
| 23:02.57 | f00f | I hope xorg 7.1 won't break NX though |
| 23:02.58 | Sutoka | serishema: p-3? p4? p-m? core/core2? |
| 23:03.02 | xavier | y does konqueror not go to my home page ;; www.google.com at startup? why "kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing" |
| 23:03.04 | Sutoka | f00f: worked fine for me |
| 23:03.08 | serishema | pentium M |
| 23:03.11 | f00f | cool |
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| 23:03.28 | serishema | this is just a badly designed laptop |
| 23:03.40 | Sutoka | xavier: go to www.google.com and save the profile 'web browsing' and make sure it saves the URL in the profile |
| 23:03.40 | f00f | oh joy, what brand? |
| 23:03.41 | smileaf | xavier: go to your homepage... then save your profile. |
| 23:03.47 | serishema | acer aspire 3620 |
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| 23:03.53 | Sutoka | serishema: i have a pentium m laptop, its horrible |
| 23:03.59 | Sutoka | serishema: mine is a dell |
| 23:04.13 | f00f | isn't acer kind of.. eh? |
| 23:04.20 | smileaf | <--- celeron laptop... compaq persario |
| 23:04.20 | serishema | very linux compatable. But overheats if you actually do anything that makes the machine work hard |
| 23:04.31 | Sutoka | serishema: no, i didn't pick dell, and it was the first OEM machine i ever bought (they already had to replace the thing with a newer model cause they couldn't fix the original) |
| 23:04.36 | smileaf | never over heats :D |
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| 23:05.01 | serishema | I had to take xgl off because with that on it would burn my lap |
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| 23:05.11 | Kim^J | HP Compaq nx6310 <3 =) Gonna see on monday how great it is for Linux :D |
| 23:05.17 | Sutoka | serishema: my laptop burns your laptop without xgl |
| 23:05.22 | f00f | serishema, you should get that antec notebook cooler |
| 23:06.11 | serishema | might stop the linux kernel from going "i'm too hot, lets slow the CPU down to 200mhz until it cools down" |
| 23:06.18 | serishema | destroys any performance this machine might otherwise have |
| 23:06.38 | xavier | how do i enable CTRL+click for www and .com ? |
| 23:06.40 | smileaf | Kim^J: dispite what some say.. I've never had any issues with my compaq. on the other hand I know a guy who has had nothing but problems with his HP. |
| 23:06.43 | xavier | in konqueror? |
| 23:06.51 | xavier | ctrl+enter |
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| 23:07.05 | f00f | HP's power jacks are abysmal |
| 23:07.08 | Kim^J | smileaf, I have no problems with my hp compaq... |
| 23:07.47 | smileaf | serishema: I had that happen once.. only it was when I was low on power :) .. it ended up running out of power before it could shut itself down it slowed down that far. |
| 23:07.53 | f00f | this is the 2nd HP laptop power jack I've had break on me |
| 23:08.17 | scast | Sutoka: i think kdesvn does the trick. |
| 23:08.46 | serishema | i think it's bad design that it basically depends on cpufeq to stop it from getting so hot it shuts itself off |
| 23:09.25 | smileaf | serishema: what else would you have it do? |
| 23:09.38 | f00f | my HP does that at times |
| 23:09.58 | serishema | smileaf: have decent enough cooling to run at full speed all the time |
| 23:10.16 | smileaf | serishema: Oh .. I thought you were talking about the kernel. |
| 23:10.53 | serishema | nah the kernel does a better job of balancing performance with not melting than windows does |
| 23:11.04 | f00f | definitely |
| 23:11.12 | smileaf | I can leave my laptop on my bed compiling something and it will not overheat.. however if I run windows too long that thing gets HOT! |
| 23:11.16 | Sutoka | f00f: i had my dell power thingy replaced 3 or 4 times in about 18 months |
| 23:11.28 | f00f | that's crazy |
| 23:11.43 | smileaf | I burnt my fingers picking it up once.. and all windows was doing was idling..... :S |
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| 23:12.28 | f00f | as terrible as it is on the desktop, it doesn't surprise me that it destroys mobile machines too haha |
| 23:12.29 | Sutoka | windows on the hp laptop (amd 64 3500) doesn't even make the bottom room temperature (its generally COLD to the touch) |
| 23:13.09 | Sutoka | that has to say something about how cool that processor runs |
| 23:13.16 | f00f | nice |
| 23:13.18 | smileaf | yah |
| 23:14.07 | smileaf | whats a program that'll tell you your cpu temp? |
| 23:14.12 | f00f | gkrellm2 |
| 23:14.14 | Sutoka | smileaf: cat |
| 23:14.26 | smileaf | cat what? |
| 23:14.26 | f00f | that too |
| 23:14.47 | Sutoka | cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/something/another on my laptop |
| 23:14.51 | Sutoka | don't know on my desktop |
| 23:15.05 | smileaf | fun |
| 23:15.11 | smileaf | it's running at 40C |
| 23:15.25 | Sutoka | 47 |
| 23:15.40 | smileaf | it's running at 40C |
| 23:15.42 | smileaf | oops |
| 23:15.46 | f00f | smileaf, yeah, you definitely need the notebook cooler |
| 23:15.48 | Sutoka | mine is running at 47C |
| 23:15.56 | smileaf | f00f: that's my desktop |
| 23:15.59 | Sutoka | and mine mostly just idles... |
| 23:16.00 | serishema | 87C here |
| 23:16.06 | Sutoka | serishema: sounds like my old laptop! |
| 23:16.16 | f00f | serishema, yeah.. get that thing |
| 23:16.27 | f00f | you can probably find it at staples or something |
| 23:16.29 | Sutoka | serishema: im amazed the processor doesn't melt at that temperature |
| 23:16.44 | smileaf | f00f: and its actually never overheated on me. |
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| 23:16.50 | serishema | and that's before linux decides it needs to slow it down.. |
| 23:16.52 | Sutoka | the original p4 in the original version of my laptop MELTED |
| 23:16.58 | f00f | smileaf, sry, I meant serishema haha |
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| 23:17.02 | Sutoka | and i don't think it got that hot |
| 23:17.17 | serishema | i wonder how hot it actually is when linux decides it needs to slow it down to a snails pace |
| 23:17.20 | f00f | not like the pentium 200 in my web server |
| 23:17.21 | smileaf | laptop is running at 56C |
| 23:17.37 | f00f | which I actually ran fanless for a while |
| 23:17.37 | mfroes | hey .. can someone help ?? my tabs are apeering on the center of the window.. how can i make it go to the left ??? i am using kde 3.5.2 |
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| 23:17.52 | smileaf | mfroes: what style are you using? |
| 23:17.55 | Sutoka | mfroes: i think that depends on the widget style you use |
| 23:18.12 | mfroes | smileaf, baghira |
| 23:18.17 | smileaf | mfroes: kcontrol -> appearance & themes -> style -> click configure |
| 23:18.46 | smileaf | never used that style o.o |
| 23:20.05 | smileaf | serishema: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points |
| 23:20.42 | mfroes | smileaf, i have never used too .. but my girlfrind is used to macintosh .. so i am trying to make it work/ |
| 23:20.43 | smileaf | wow.. the critical point for my laptop is 96C lol |
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| 23:20.49 | f00f | isn't that the theme that looks like macosx or something? |
| 23:20.54 | mfroes | smileaf, i cant find anything about tabs in there |
| 23:21.08 | smileaf | mfroes: might be that's how that style does it then |
| 23:21.11 | Sutoka | f00f: yes |
| 23:21.26 | Sutoka | thats how OS X looks, tabs in the center |
| 23:21.30 | smileaf | Oh.. no wonder I've never used it. |
| 23:21.39 | smileaf | OSX looks ugly IMO. |
| 23:21.41 | mfroes | smileaf, so i cant do anything about it ? |
| 23:21.42 | Sutoka | yes |
| 23:22.00 | Sutoka | ^-- was to smileaf |
| 23:22.03 | f00f | too much eye candy |
| 23:22.03 | serishema | smileaf: it lets it get to 94C before it slows down to 200mhz and 98 before it kills the power. that's not much of a margin if it's normally running around 87 |
| 23:22.10 | mfroes | smileaf, which style theme you use ? |
| 23:22.11 | smileaf | mfroes: if there isn't a config for that there.. then you can't :( |
| 23:22.17 | smileaf | mfroes: I use serenity |
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| 23:22.55 | shadok_ | f00f: baghira is great in OSX like style |
| 23:23.34 | f00f | someone should import industurial to QT |
| 23:23.38 | f00f | that's really my favorite theme |
| 23:24.23 | alsuren | *plays with compiz* |
| 23:24.32 | Shirakawasuna | someone should create a program for porting themes to Qt/KDE |
| 23:24.36 | serishema | i can't seem to change the cooling mode from passive to active? Is that a hardware thing? |
| 23:24.53 | Shirakawasuna | gnome themes, shapeshifter themes (macs), msstyles (windows) |
| 23:25.28 | smileaf | mfroes: http://images.smileaf.org/img:3ec75fc7e0647091548ea566cd7c7da6 <-- screenshot |
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| 23:26.39 | Sutoka | you don't use the serenity window deco? |
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| 23:26.49 | smileaf | Sutoka: nope |
| 23:27.05 | Sutoka | the serenity window deco got me to switch from Crystal-GL |
| 23:27.11 | smileaf | it's ugly |
| 23:27.17 | Sutoka | i like it |
| 23:27.27 | smileaf | glad someone does :) |
| 23:27.50 | mfroes | smileaf, is this the one ??? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=35954 |
| 23:27.58 | smileaf | that's the one |
| 23:28.20 | mfroes | smileaf, i'll try it :D |
| 23:28.53 | mfroes | smileaf, is there a way to save all of my configuration... and test it ... then come back axactly as it is now ??? |
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| 23:29.19 | smileaf | mfroes: its not going to totally mess up your system just changing styles ;) |
| 23:29.22 | mfroes | smileaf, is it the theme?? or i'll have to make one for the colors .. one o |
| 23:29.46 | smileaf | its just a style.. it doesn't change your colors |
| 23:30.08 | mfroes | smileaf, ohh ok .. i'll try it then |
| 23:30.21 | mfroes | smileaf, thanx man |
| 23:30.48 | Sutoka | window decoration, widget style, and color scheme are all independent in kde |
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| 23:31.21 | serishema | i shouldn't look at the files in /proc/acpi if the battery info is accurate i think my battery is already stuffed |
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| 23:33.11 | tafsen | How do I get firefox to look better? |
| 23:33.39 | smileaf | tafsen: start konqueror |
| 23:33.39 | f00f | depends on your definition of better |
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| 23:34.13 | tafsen | f00f, at this moment it looks like there's just lots of elements put together, there's no flow in the design |
| 23:34.23 | tafsen | it looks so much better in Gnome and in windows |
| 23:34.35 | shadok_ | tafsen: http://www.radar.250x.com/tb.html maybe |
| 23:34.42 | shadok_ | (iFox theme) |
| 23:35.03 | Lubomir | hello, i have a problem with kde. I use gentoo and when i install a programm, it normaly add the icon from the programm into my programm-list. now it doesnt do that any more. can anyone tell me why abd what i should do? |
| 23:35.14 | tafsen | It's a problem for all my GTK programs |
| 23:35.41 | f00f | tafsen, install a decent gtk theme |
| 23:35.41 | serishema | no wonder my battery life sucks. 2.4Amps? and they call that power management!? |
| 23:35.44 | f00f | or gtk-qt-theme-engine |
| 23:36.38 | tafsen | f00f, but I can't find anything about GTK in my control panel |
| 23:37.46 | f00f | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/gtk-qt |
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| 23:40.59 | serishema | oh dear qemeu doesn't work so well with -kernel-kqemu it crashes on start up |
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| 23:41.49 | f00f | is the module loaded |
| 23:42.04 | serishema | yup. |
| 23:42.20 | serishema | it seems like windows wants it's kernel mode code to be interpeted so it goes nice and slow |
| 23:43.14 | serishema | I think trying out the smp emulation killed my windows install |
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| 23:46.52 | f00f | I still use vmware |
| 23:47.03 | f00f | on my lap top, if I need to |
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| 23:47.20 | serishema | i keep getting a blue screen saying the bios is not acpi compliant |
| 23:47.21 | f00f | only if some stupid thing from school needs windows though |
| 23:47.36 | serishema | yeah that's why i have it. |
| 23:48.49 | serishema | my actual main use for qemu though is to learn assembly language of CPUs i don't actually have |
| 23:49.23 | serishema | (sparc/mips/arm and the like) |
| 23:49.36 | serishema | can you actually play games under qemu? |
| 23:50.08 | smileaf | not many. |
| 23:50.13 | smileaf | I got a dualboot |
| 23:50.23 | Shirakawasuna | hmmm |
| 23:50.27 | Shirakawasuna | serenity=not quite so not ugly :) |
| 23:50.37 | Shirakawasuna | QtCurve wins :) |
| 23:50.45 | serishema | ok i won't do that again. |
| 23:51.01 | serishema | If you enable smp emulation and then try to boot with it off. your windows install is as good as dead |
| 23:51.21 | smileaf | lol |
| 23:51.30 | adi | Konqueror supports the xml-stylesheet processing instruction, not? |
| 23:51.30 | Shirakawasuna | it was asking for it |
| 23:51.36 | serishema | the odd thing is if you turn it back on again, it still won't work |
| 23:52.17 | smileaf | adi: not yet I don't think |
| 23:52.50 | smileaf | and that reminds me... I should call my friend Adi .. lol |
| 23:54.33 | adi | smileaf: but there is a closed bugreport #44989 |
| 23:55.47 | Sutoka | serishema: hahahahahaha |
| 23:56.31 | Sutoka | serishema: windows is funny like that... |
| 23:56.31 | Sutoka | serishema: you have to change the driver for the processor's 'profile' to like 'acpi multiproc' (which doesn't exist on my machine) to use smp |
| 23:56.32 | Sutoka | which i guess doesn't like non-smp machines |
| 23:56.49 | smileaf | adi: might wanna read the resolution of that bug. |
| 23:57.06 | smileaf | duplicate |
| 23:57.14 | smileaf | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55420 |
| 23:57.15 | adi | ah |
| 23:58.23 | alsuren | this is where it gets interesting: removing kdebase, so that I can get the split ebuilds |
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| 23:58.57 | Sutoka | alsuren: just make sure you have any kde apps you want to use already open |
| 23:59.11 | smileaf | alsuren: nah.. just makes it fun knowing that your still using all the apps you want and they don't exist anymore =) |
| 23:59.19 | alsuren | yeah, just fired up akregator |
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| 23:59.59 | Sutoka | if you were using windows you would have to reboot :-D |
