| 00:01.32 | visik_ | konqueror doesn't work well with the new flash player 9 |
| 00:01.33 | visik_ | :) |
| 00:01.43 | visik_ | too early to file a bug report ? |
| 00:01.44 | visik_ | :) |
| 00:01.46 | Sutoka | the beta you mean? |
| 00:01.58 | Sutoka | is that even out? |
| 00:02.26 | Sho_ | visik_: Beta is live? |
| 00:02.31 | visik_ | yes |
| 00:02.33 | visik_ | http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html |
| 00:02.37 | visik_ | Finally!!! |
| 00:02.43 | Sho_ | yay. thanks. |
| 00:04.39 | visik_ | not everything works but seems to be lighter and faster |
| 00:04.49 | qupada | well holy shit |
| 00:04.57 | qupada | i didn't think i'd see that released this year |
| 00:05.58 | Sutoka | thats just a beta... |
| 00:06.22 | Sho_ | alright, installed ... |
| 00:06.42 | qupada | Sutoka: it's better than nothing. i didn't even expect a beta this soon |
| 00:07.12 | Sutoka | flash 7 worked fine with youtube... so they made it worse? |
| 00:07.18 | Sho_ | actually, not crash, it hangs while playing a video |
| 00:07.43 | lilltiger | is sound desync fine? |
| 00:07.44 | Sho_ | It played for about 10 seconds, then it hangs and repeats 0.5s of sound continuously :) |
| 00:07.46 | visik_ | Sho_: which video ? |
| 00:08.02 | visik_ | Sutoka: some other site like youtube need flash8 |
| 00:08.02 | Sho_ | Sutoka: Actually YouTube worked horribly in Flash 7/Linux because it can't maintain audio/video sync |
| 00:08.18 | visik_ | yes this version shouldn't desync |
| 00:08.18 | Sho_ | visik_: A trailer for a video game called "Bully" on the frontpage |
| 00:08.39 | Sho_ | I restarted Konq, this time it played fine to the end |
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| 00:09.04 | Sho_ | A/V sync appears to be fine |
| 00:09.09 | Sho_ | About time :) |
| 00:09.22 | visik_ | Sho_: trailers are quicktime/wmv/ipod |
| 00:09.30 | Sho_ | visik_: Not on YouTube :) |
| 00:09.35 | visik_ | Sho_: oh |
| 00:09.47 | visik_ | let me se |
| 00:10.07 | visik_ | you tube player works fine |
| 00:10.48 | Sho_ | Well, now it seems to work ... with the first test it hung after 10s :) |
| 00:10.49 | fowler | Hi guys I'm looking for a simple way to change some settings based on where I am. In college I need to access the net through a proxy. At home I don't. Is there a locations tool or something I can keep in my panel to switch between configs? Kubuntu Edgy KDE 3.5.5 |
| 00:10.50 | visik_ | but practiacally was tested on it |
| 00:11.02 | visik_ | quality is much better than 7 |
| 00:11.11 | visik_ | no desync |
| 00:11.14 | Sho_ | Hm, it just hung again on a YouTube vid |
| 00:11.23 | Sho_ | Stable is different :) |
| 00:11.33 | visik_ | no problem with konq 3.5.5 |
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| 00:13.03 | lilltiger | where should I put the flashplugin for konq? |
| 00:13.06 | Sho_ | well, Konq works fine, just video playback hangs |
| 00:13.25 | fowler | Any ideas anyone? Having to go into settings when I bring the laptop home is a pain |
| 00:13.44 | Sho_ | lilltiger: Look at the plugin prefs to see the list of paths it looks in |
| 00:14.01 | visik_ | Sho_: I'm using konq |
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| 00:18.48 | Sutoka | fowler: you could have multiple ~/.kde directories, it wouldn't look very nice though |
| 00:19.52 | lilltiger | woo |
| 00:19.58 | lilltiger | this plugin is great |
| 00:20.26 | Sho_ | except that it just hung a third time |
| 00:20.26 | Sho_ | :) |
| 00:20.42 | Sutoka | Sho_: QA at adobe at its finest! |
| 00:20.52 | Sho_ | Well, it's a beta admittedly :) |
| 00:21.58 | fowler | Sutoka, you mean link ~/.kde_home and ~/.kde_college to ~/.kde when necessary? |
| 00:22.10 | Sutoka | yeah |
| 00:22.20 | Sutoka | its a horrible, horrible hack though |
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| 00:25.13 | lunitik | fowler: you can try knetworkmanager ... it'll let you set up different profiles for the networks etc... |
| 00:26.06 | fowler | Ahh. Sounds like the ticket. Thanks! |
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| 00:28.38 | lunitik | fowler: its in Universe though... so the userbase may have limited knowledge of it if you run into problems |
| 00:29.08 | fowler | lunitik, I'll figure it out. 10+ years of Linux ;) |
| 00:29.27 | Sutoka | yet a kubuntu user! |
| 00:29.34 | Sutoka | ;-) |
| 00:30.04 | fowler | I prefer debian, but Ubuntu keeps more stuff up to date |
| 00:30.23 | lunitik | fowler: lies... you're just too chicken to try Sid :D |
| 00:31.28 | fowler | Have AM64 Sid on main dev machine with 32 bit SID chroot |
| 00:31.54 | lunitik | fowler: ahh... hmm :) |
| 00:32.26 | fowler | Through kubuntu on this laptop for a testdrive. Works fine and is up to date more often |
| 00:32.42 | fowler | err Threw |
| 00:33.19 | fowler | Edgy has /bin/sh as dash though which breaks some 3rd party stuff. |
| 00:35.01 | lunitik | fowler: Sid does that too.... |
| 00:35.52 | lunitik | fowler: the Ubuntu guys seem to do very little with anything other than desktop stuff |
| 00:35.53 | fowler | Does it? I only came across it testing the Intel C++ compiler on this laptop. I must fix it on the new dev machine so |
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| 00:36.06 | qupada | Renze: hell.co.nz works again! :D |
| 00:36.18 | Renze | qupada: it stopped working? ;) |
| 00:36.24 | qupada | Renze: i mean because of flash |
| 00:36.27 | lunitik | fowler: yes... I think Dash started becoming the default /bin/sh on Debian boxes for Sarge actually... |
| 00:36.30 | Renze | ah :) |
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| 00:37.39 | odla | is there a power applet for kde? |
| 00:38.01 | lunitik | odla: there is kpowermanager ... not sure how main stream that is though |
| 00:38.11 | lunitik | Another thing being worked on by SUSE folks |
| 00:38.22 | Renze | odla: control centre -> power control -> laptop battery, tick Show battery monitor |
| 00:38.51 | fowler | Time for bed it''s 1:38am here |
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| 00:39.27 | odla | i don't have a power control |
| 00:39.53 | lunitik | Was SUSE guys that started Phonon via KDEMM too iir |
| 00:39.55 | manuel_ | Hi! how can I assign the volume and mute buttons on my laptop? |
| 00:39.59 | Renze | odla: you must be missing a package, then |
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| 00:40.10 | odla | Renze: any ideas...i'm on debian |
| 00:40.20 | Renze | odla: sorry, know little or nothing about debian |
| 00:42.35 | odla | i found it |
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| 00:51.28 | Sho_ | Quoting an Adobe engineer on Flash9: 'in some cases the GNU/Linux version is up to 20% faster on the same hardware compared to the Windows 32bit version' / 'This is the fastest GNU/Linux version we ever released. And we haven't reached the maximum yet.' |
| 00:51.32 | Sho_ | not bad :) |
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| 00:51.56 | kbrooks_ | list three reasons to use KDE |
| 00:51.59 | qupada | i'm just glad sound is now in sync |
| 00:52.23 | Sho_ | kbrooks_: KIO, DCOP, KPArts :) |
| 00:52.47 | lunitik | Sho_: s/DCOP/DBUS/ |
| 00:53.04 | lunitik | Which doesn't really count as a reason to use KDE anymore |
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| 00:53.19 | lunitik | (because its in use by other desktop's etc...) |
| 00:53.25 | qupada | lunitik: maybe dbus in the future, but kde has had dcop for a long time when there was no other alternative |
| 00:53.42 | Sho_ | lunitik: Well, KDE already the biggest user of D-BUS though ;) |
| 00:53.44 | Sutoka | kde will most likely have much more of the apis exposed through dbus than the other desktops |
| 00:53.47 | Sho_ | lunitik: By far |
| 00:53.55 | Sho_ | lunitik: BTW, did you read the query? |
| 00:53.56 | lunitik | qupada: s/future/current HEAD/ |
| 00:54.02 | lunitik | Sho_: yes... thank you :) |
| 00:54.07 | Sho_ | ok :) |
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| 01:22.48 | zombor | can anyone help me getting my screensaver working in KDE, i have all the options set, but it doesnt turn on |
| 01:23.23 | qupada | zombor: run 'kdesktop_lock' at a console and see if it gives you a useful error message |
| 01:23.33 | Renze | what version of KDE? there were some screensaver bugs in 3.5.2, iirc |
| 01:24.39 | zombor | when i do kdesktop_lock, it works |
| 01:25.02 | zombor | yes, i have 3.5.2 |
| 01:26.01 | Renze | the problems were fixed in later versions |
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| 01:27.06 | scast | I have kde 3.5.4, screensaver never worked for me. |
| 01:27.25 | zombor | hm, ill have to go unstable in my gentoo tree then |
| 01:27.27 | Renze | worked fine for me in every version except 3.5.2 |
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| 01:28.30 | Renze | but I usually only start the screensaver manually since I have an LCD |
| 01:29.01 | Renze | it does start if unattended for 30 minutes, however (my timeout) |
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| 01:46.34 | Endler | Flash 9 has been released? Last I heard the Adobe dev was complaining that Linux flash was held up because there were just "too many ways to do things," lol |
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| 01:46.35 | zombor | prolly still no AMD64 support |
| 01:46.35 | Endler | too many options to program things in Linux, that is |
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| 01:47.50 | Endler | That had to finally get Flash 9 Linux done because most sites were sticking with 7 waithing for adobe to get it's shit together. |
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| 01:48.17 | Endler | Guess lack of upgrade revenue got their attention finally. |
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| 01:49.36 | mrwoody_ | I am having problems to see .gif files with konqueror... any hint? |
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| 01:50.18 | Renze | missing giflib? |
| 01:50.57 | mrwoody_ | Renze: not really... |
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| 01:52.18 | Sho_ | mrwoody_: Got Crossover Office installed? |
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| 01:52.53 | mrwoody_ | Sho_: nope |
| 01:53.27 | mrwoody_ | let me try to reinstall konqueror |
| 01:53.27 | Jucato | O_o |
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| 02:00.35 | Sho_ | doo be doo be doo |
| 02:00.51 | Renze | who let Dean Martin in here? |
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| 02:01.34 | Jucato | be doo be doo |
| 02:02.11 | Renze | when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie... that's amore... |
| 02:02.39 | Jucato | hm.. wouldn't that hurt? |
| 02:03.06 | Renze | depends on the sauce |
| 02:03.06 | Sho_ | Somehow I doubt that your career as a song lyrics writer will take off |
| 02:03.34 | Renze | so do I |
| 02:03.46 | Sho_ | October is a good month: KDE 3.5.5, KOffice 1.6, Konversation 1.0.1, Amarok 1.4.4, Flash 9/Linux Beta, Kubuntu 6.10 ... |
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| 02:04.25 | tomaz | hello darlings. |
| 02:05.09 | Jucato | heh |
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| 02:05.39 | Homer | Flash 9 Beta is out?! |
| 02:05.42 | Homer | wtf lolz |
| 02:05.53 | Sho_ | yup .. |
| 02:05.59 | Homer | does it blow goats? |
| 02:06.04 | Homer | or is it pretty good |
| 02:06.06 | qupada | a few |
| 02:06.09 | qupada | not too many |
| 02:06.24 | Homer | I'm happy and sad at the same time |
| 02:06.28 | Sho_ | Well, to quote an Adobe engineer: 'in some cases the GNU/Linux version is up to 20% faster on the same hardware compared to the Windows 32bit version' / 'This is the fastest GNU/Linux version we ever released. And we haven't reached the maximum yet.' |
| 02:06.31 | Homer | I hope this doesn't derail the gnash project |
| 02:06.45 | Sho_ | That said, so far it has managed to hang three times on YouTube, although the A/V is finally in sync |
| 02:06.54 | Homer | nice |
| 02:06.55 | qupada | well considering it's only x86 at the moment, i don't imagine it will |
| 02:07.09 | qupada | if they actually make ppc/amd64 versions then it has a chance |
| 02:07.19 | Sho_ | Well, they've announced a commitment to make an amd64 version |
| 02:07.28 | Sho_ | And ppc as a desktop platform is pretty dead |
| 02:08.04 | Sho_ | That said, I wouldn't rule out a PPC version, considering all the new game consoles speak the PPC ISA |
| 02:08.16 | Sho_ | (and are getting web browsers) |
| 02:08.20 | Homer | heh how about an alpha version |
| 02:08.21 | Homer | or sparc |
| 02:08.22 | Homer | :( |
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| 02:08.41 | Homer | or motorola 68k |
| 02:08.57 | Homer | lets not forget a pdp-8 version |
| 02:09.00 | Homer | heh |
| 02:09.07 | Sho_ | Homer: I want a port for http://www.eikehein.com/files/supercomputer.jpg |
| 02:09.10 | bline | Anyone else seeing circular dependencies with kde-meta on a fresh install? |
| 02:09.28 | Homer | I actually think gcc can compile to pdp-8 |
| 02:09.36 | bline | also, does anyone know how to solve that. |
| 02:09.40 | Sutoka | it would have been nice if GNU decided to focus on gpl flash 2 several years ago when it was pretty close to the current flash instead of letting it slowly linger, then just take public domain code, gpl it, then put out a big press release talking about their great work when all they did is change something's license pretty much |
| 02:09.49 | Homer | there is a single working computing that uses the archetecture IN THE WORLD |
| 02:09.50 | Homer | heh |
| 02:10.03 | Sutoka | bline: gentoo? |
| 02:10.10 | bline | Sutoka: eek, wrong channel |
| 02:10.13 | bline | yeah |
| 02:10.15 | Sutoka | bline: yep! |
| 02:10.22 | Homer | yeah well gnash is getting good |
| 02:10.23 | bline | heh sorry |
| 02:10.23 | Sutoka | bline: wrong channel, and it works fine here |
| 02:10.33 | Homer | it cvs version can do the youtube |
| 02:10.44 | Homer | it only works with flash 7 and under tho |
| 02:11.13 | qupada | that's the real kicker, more and more sites say "needs flash 8" nowadays |
| 02:11.16 | Homer | but the advantage is you can compile it on 12 year old Macs :D |
| 02:11.40 | Homer | yeah |
| 02:11.49 | Sutoka | qupada: i hope all the flash ads upgrade to requiring flash 10 right when it comes out! |
| 02:11.52 | Homer | how much different is SWF 9 to SWF 7 anyway |
| 02:11.59 | Homer | I think it's mostly actionscript |
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| 02:12.10 | qupada | Homer: and some crappy 3d stuff that i've never seen used |
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| 02:13.06 | Homer | lol you know what would be funny |
| 02:13.17 | Homer | right when adobe releases the stable version of flash 9 for linux |
| 02:13.22 | Homer | flash 10 will come out |
| 02:13.40 | Sutoka | flash 10 is going to come out not that long |
| 02:13.43 | qupada | ha, at present rate they'll be up to about 12 or 13 by the time 9 is stable |
| 02:13.45 | Homer | lol. |
| 02:13.50 | Homer | what flash 10 does now? |
| 02:14.30 | Homer | lol qupada |
| 02:14.43 | Homer | but it's good they got a native non crappy flash in the works |
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| 02:14.52 | Homer | now all we need is good ATI drivers and we set |
| 02:15.22 | Sutoka | Homer: well now that AMD owns ati, maybe they'll pwn their driver team and kick them out of the company and replace them with someone competent |
| 02:15.26 | sabayonuser | but flasg 10 is not as big of a differenct then 9 compared to 7 and 9, be happy its actuallt being supported, when macromedia was in charge nothing was going, i think right now the cup is more than haf full |
| 02:15.35 | qupada | Homer: yeah, good luck with that |
| 02:15.39 | sabayonuser | flash |
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| 02:16.10 | Homer | well I can play UT2004 now without it flickering and the ground turning neon |
| 02:16.16 | Homer | these days at least |
| 02:16.22 | Homer | it still crash tho |
| 02:16.33 | Sutoka | Homer: lucky, i can't even start it on the x300 in my laptop |
| 02:16.44 | qupada | in any case, it's off-topic, but listening gentoo users, the flash9 ebuild should have bit the rsync mirrors by now |
| 02:17.31 | Sutoka | qupada: its not on gentoo-portage.com yet... though i don't know how often they update |
| 02:17.36 | Sho_ | Considering all the ebuild needs to do is copy a single file to a directory and create a symlink in another, that ought to be manageble by them |
| 02:17.47 | Sho_ | :) |
| 02:18.29 | Sho_ | Sutoka: You could of course always just look at the CVS changelog: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/gentoo-x86/net-www/netscape-flash/ChangeLog |
| 02:18.46 | qupada | Sho_: entirely true, only adobe can't keep a consistent naming scheme between the tarball and the files it extracts. i'm told it takes ~60 minutes from when a package is in portage cvs to when it can be got by rsync |
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| 02:20.37 | Jucato | Sho_: thanks so much for the info (re: themes) |
| 02:20.48 | Sho_ | np :) |
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| 02:33.35 | seren | anyone know what i compile in for a MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller nforce4 sound chip? |
| 02:34.27 | seren | oops |
| 02:34.31 | seren | wrong channel |
| 02:34.33 | qupada | snd-intel8x0 unless something has changed recently |
| 02:34.38 | seren | lol |
| 02:34.40 | seren | sweet |
| 02:35.18 | seren | thx i wasnt sure, new board and the module name threw me offf |
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| 02:40.28 | brenda | can some one tell me how to remove the Most Used Appds from the Kmenu.. I am using Suse 10.1 |
| 02:41.23 | Renze | brenda: control centre -> desktop -> panels, menus tab, set Quickstart Menu Items max number of entries to 0 |
| 02:41.28 | Sho_ | brenda: KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Menus -> Set the "Maximum number of entries" at the bottom of the page to "0" |
| 02:41.30 | Sutoka | brenda: right mouse click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Menus -> and in the QuakStart Menu Items section you could lower it to 0, or change it to most recently used |
| 02:41.33 | Renze | snap! |
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| 02:41.38 | Sho_ | wow =) |
| 02:41.41 | Jucato | lol |
| 02:41.41 | Sutoka | Renze Sho_: i officially hate both of you |
| 02:42.07 | Jucato | doesn't YaST have that settng? :) |
| 02:42.07 | Sho_ | Mine was the prettiest. If I had capitalized a shittily as Renze, I would have been first! |
| 02:42.08 | Sho_ | ;) |
| 02:42.15 | brenda | wow 3 people helping out :D |
| 02:42.29 | Sutoka | mine was quickest |
| 02:42.37 | Sutoka | least steps needed |
| 02:43.07 | Sho_ | Sutoka: I've stopped advocating the right-click route because people start right-clicking all sorts of applets and what not |
| 02:43.16 | Sho_ | KControl is more predictable |
| 02:43.17 | Sutoka | pfff |
| 02:43.25 | Sutoka | mine is faster! |
| 02:43.28 | Renze | Sutoka sprung a leak! |
| 02:43.38 | Sho_ | (unless the other party is running Kubuntu ..) |
| 02:43.51 | brenda | where is Kcontrol>? |
| 02:44.09 | Renze | kmenu -> control centre |
| 02:44.44 | Renze | unless you're using kubuntu, in which case it's somewhere else |
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| 02:45.03 | Sho_ | brenda: If you run "kcontrol" from "Run Command" in the KMenu, you'll get it too |
| 02:45.32 | Sutoka | Renze: kubuntu has the normal kcontrol somewhere i think, they just hid it and replaced it with that fugly thing |
| 02:45.48 | Renze | Sutoka: yeah, my flatmate has it... it's awful |
| 02:46.02 | Sho_ | It's a clone of Mac OS X' "System Preferences" |
| 02:46.06 | Jucato | Sutoka: System Settings |
| 02:46.09 | Sutoka | Sho_: like i said, fugly |
| 02:46.32 | Jucato | SUSE doesn't have a K Menu... it's a chameleon menu :) |
| 02:46.45 | Jucato | Sho_: started as a clone, moving towards a different goal now... |
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| 02:47.15 | brenda | ok, how do i remove the side image? |
| 02:47.30 | Jucato | System Settings for Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy has a revamped UI, thanks to el |
| 02:47.33 | Sutoka | ill let Renze & Sho_ handle it |
| 02:47.40 | Sutoka | Jucato: el? |
| 02:47.44 | Renze | same window, untick show side image |
| 02:47.44 | Sutoka | a dev? |
| 02:47.48 | Jucato | Ellen Reitmeyr |
| 02:47.52 | Jucato | OpenUsability |
| 02:47.52 | Sutoka | ah |
| 02:47.52 | Sho_ | Jucato: The first release (!) version was god-awful, it resized the window with every module load, sometimes beyond the screen dimensions. So I walked up to Jonathan and asked him where his bug tracker was, and it didn't even have one at the time .. |
| 02:48.09 | Sutoka | Sho_: awesome |
| 02:48.17 | Sho_ | brenda: The same page has a "Show side image" checkbox |
| 02:48.20 | Jucato | Sho_: if you think System Settings was god awful, try Adept :P |
| 02:48.44 | Sho_ | Jucato: I love harassing mornfall about his unusable Adept UI ;) |
| 02:48.50 | Jucato | lol |
| 02:48.54 | Sho_ | Jucato: Unfortunately he seems to have abandoned it at this point |
| 02:49.01 | Jucato | seems like it... |
| 02:49.34 | Jucato | there was this bug in Adept in the alpha releases of Edgy. no response from him. Jonathan had to be the one to fix it |
| 02:49.50 | Sutoka | whatever happened to Guidance? |
| 02:49.59 | Jucato | Sutoka: kde-guidance? improving |
| 02:50.06 | Sutoka | ah |
| 02:50.15 | Jucato | sebas is the one taking care of it, afaik |
| 02:50.21 | Sutoka | i remember kubuntu included like an unreleased alpha or something at one point |
| 02:50.37 | Jucato | probably in the Alpha and Beta releases of Edgy |
| 02:50.42 | Sho_ | Sutoka: Well, the Guidance guy (sebas) is basically working for them |
| 02:51.05 | Jucato | "working for them" heheheh :) |
| 02:51.07 | Sutoka | as in gratis? |
| 02:51.11 | lunitik | Sutoka: it has Guidance CVS regularly... |
| 02:51.21 | Jucato | oh hi there lunitik |
| 02:51.24 | Sho_ | Sutoka: As in Kubuntu is the primary user of Guidance |
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| 02:51.33 | Jucato | Sutoka: yeah I think gratis |
| 02:51.41 | Sutoka | Sho_: ok so he doesn't get paid |
| 02:51.45 | Sho_ | Sutoka: So he's working with them |
| 02:51.47 | Sho_ | Sutoka: No |
| 02:51.54 | lunitik | Jucato: umm... hey |
| 02:52.03 | Jucato | iirc, Riddell is the only paid Kubuntu developer as of now... |
| 02:52.09 | Jucato | I might be wrong though |
| 02:52.30 | Jucato | I mean, hired by Canonical |
| 02:52.59 | Jucato | speaking of Adept, has the development on KPackage stalled? and why? |
| 02:53.21 | lunitik | Jucato: yes... because no one cares about it... pretty much :D |
| 02:53.26 | Sutoka | i thought it stalled like... forever ago? |
| 02:53.32 | Jucato | gah... |
| 02:53.51 | Sho_ | Hasn't been touched in a few years |
| 02:53.55 | Jucato | so we have 3 KDE package managers, none of the really up to it. Kynaptic, KPackage, and Adept... |
| 02:54.02 | Sutoka | Kuroo |
| 02:54.05 | lunitik | Jucato: most distro's provide that sort of thing... kpackage just re-invented the wheel |
| 02:54.05 | Sutoka | don't forget Kuroo |
| 02:54.25 | Jucato | ooh Kuroo.. haven't seen that yet :) |
| 02:54.32 | Sutoka | gentoo |
| 02:54.35 | Sutoka | portage frontend |
| 02:54.37 | Jucato | ah |
| 02:54.42 | Jucato | no wonder :) |
| 02:54.42 | Sho_ | Kuroo is an early success story of KDEs collaboration with OpenUsability |
| 02:54.48 | Sho_ | The interface works well. |
| 02:54.59 | qupada | pity it breaks portage so often |
| 02:55.11 | Jucato | looks really nice |
| 02:55.19 | qupada | it and /etc/portage/package.* don't really get along |
| 02:55.29 | Sutoka | and its hard to work with slots... |
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| 02:55.36 | Sutoka | its nice for finding stuff though |
| 02:55.45 | Jucato | I still think that KPackage could have been a good package manager if it was developed... :( |
| 02:56.22 | Sho_ | I just looked into SVN, and saw that KPackage jas GentooInterface classes that were last touched in 2004 - now I'm too scared to start it and see what it looks like again |
| 02:56.23 | Sho_ | :) |
| 02:56.29 | Sutoka | unfortunately it'll be really hard to make one that works on all distros, or even a good bit of them |
| 02:56.42 | Jucato | :( |
| 02:56.49 | Jucato | not like Synaptic? |
| 02:56.57 | qupada | Sho_: i tried it once, i don't remember what happened, i think it's capable of reading the installed package list, but nothing much else |
| 02:56.59 | Sutoka | synaptic only works with apt |
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| 02:57.23 | Sho_ | Adept works for RPM based distros, via some kind of abstraction mechanism |
| 02:57.24 | Jucato | er yeah. KPackage works with DEB and RPM right? |
| 02:57.30 | Sho_ | (in addition to the Debian stuff) |
| 02:57.38 | Sutoka | Sho_: via apt maybe? |
| 02:57.57 | Sho_ | Sutoka: I don't know whether libapt includes code for managing RPMs |
| 02:58.03 | Jucato | Sutoka: well apt can work with both DEB and RPM |
| 02:58.19 | Jucato | so synaptic can work with both. PCLOS uses Synaptic |
| 02:58.23 | Sutoka | apt4rpm supports rpm |
| 02:58.37 | lunitik | Sutoka: apt4rpm is dead |
| 02:58.42 | Sutoka | too bad, yum sucks |
| 02:58.42 | ServerSage | So I have a strange problem. Sound does not work in KDE. It works outside of KDE, it even works in a console using mplayer. But if I try to use noatun to play an MP3, it dies. If I open the control center and choose auto detect, or alsa, and restart it then play the sample sound...nothing. |
| 02:58.59 | Sutoka | isn't noatun dead? |
| 02:59.14 | Jucato | just as aRts is dead? :) |
| 02:59.17 | Sutoka | try amarok for media |
| 02:59.32 | ServerSage | Sutoka: It doesn't play the test sound in the control center either. |
| 02:59.34 | lunitik | Sho_: it does? from its inception with (some debian/kde group, I forget the name), it was always intended to only utilize DEB... weird |
| 02:59.57 | Sho_ | lunitik: Well Adept's developer works for Red Hat, so ... |
| 02:59.59 | Homer | apt doesn't do deb |
| 03:00.05 | Homer | dpkg does :P |
| 03:00.22 | Jucato | Sho_: mornfall works for RH? ooh never knew that lol |
| 03:00.28 | lunitik | Sutoka: most functions within YUM got re-written in C... so it should at least be faster in FC6 |
| 03:00.30 | Sutoka | ServerSage: the test sound in the control center is done by aRts, which is really kinda dead |
| 03:00.44 | Homer | yum |
| 03:00.46 | Sutoka | lunitik: about time, it was DOG slow (hehe, pun intended) |
| 03:01.03 | Sutoka | lunitik: hows the research to create a flying pig progressing? |
| 03:01.05 | ServerSage | Sutoka: Okay, I will try something else and see if it works. |
| 03:01.13 | Homer | you don't know slow until you try to do emerge kde |
| 03:01.25 | Homer | lol |
| 03:01.32 | qupada | Sutoka: well we have a regular pig, some cardboard wings and a cannon... working out how to progress from there |
| 03:01.40 | ServerSage | Sutoka: Fellow Gentoo user. :) |
| 03:01.58 | lunitik | Sutoka: slower... than... portage? stop smoking crack |
| 03:02.20 | Homer | it's not really portage! it's gcc thats slow :P |
| 03:02.21 | Homer | cough |
| 03:02.24 | Sutoka | ServerSage: i recommend installing 'sox', and changing the Notifications to use 'play' command to play the sounds, then disabling the sound server (arts) |
| 03:02.54 | ServerSage | Sutoka: Alrighty. Thanks for the hint. :) |
| 03:03.23 | Sutoka | for fedora, do you have to adjust your sources.list file (or whatever it was) when the distro moves from fedora core to fedora legacy? |
| 03:03.38 | lunitik | Sutoka: yes... |
| 03:03.54 | lunitik | If you make it with a release to legacy... you ought to consider another distro though |
| 03:04.06 | Sutoka | well that explains why the fedora install i set up for a couple people doesn't work anymore when trying to use yum... |
| 03:04.13 | lunitik | Fedora is targetted at bleeding edge types... |
| 03:04.35 | Sho_ | And the bleeding edge types use Gentoo. So who uses Fedora? :) |
| 03:04.46 | Sutoka | Sho_: people that don't know better... :-/ |
| 03:04.50 | lunitik | Sutoka: give them Ubuntu... at least then you get 18 months without being bothered about that? |
| 03:05.06 | Sutoka | lunitik: ugh... |
| 03:05.17 | lunitik | Sho_: Gentoo Stable is behind most every distro I pay attn to wrt version numbers |
| 03:06.17 | Renze | not debian stable :) |
| 03:06.33 | Sutoka | Renze: debian stable is so far behind, its ahead |
| 03:06.45 | Renze | assuming time is circular, yes :D |
| 03:06.54 | lunitik | Besides.... wanting to be on the bleeding edge and using Gentoo is idiotic... by the time you're done with one compile... the next version will be out :/ |
| 03:07.00 | qupada | Sutoka: integer wrap-around? |
| 03:07.03 | qupada | :P |
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| 03:07.56 | qupada | i was listening to the radio (gasp) one afternoon a couple of weeks ago, they wanted someone to call in and explain the year 2038 problem to them |
| 03:08.02 | lunitik | s/most/more/ |
| 03:08.27 | Sutoka | us 64bit-ers don't have to worry about 2038 |
| 03:08.31 | Renze | qupada: good year... I'll be 69!!! |
| 03:09.27 | qupada | heh, from wikipedia: "Using a (signed) 64-bit value introduces a new wraparound date in about 290 billion years, on Sunday, December 4, 292,277,026,596." |
| 03:09.32 | lunitik | ew... so planning my suicide... yay |
| 03:10.10 | Sutoka | qupada: those dumbasses will never see it coming |
| 03:10.15 | lunitik | qupada: better start planning the fix then? |
| 03:10.31 | Sho_ | qupada: "Weren't the 292,277,026,580s just awful? I mean, the hair!" |
| 03:11.00 | Sutoka | year 170141183460469231731687303715884105728 is gonna suck! |
| 03:11.11 | qupada | touché |
| 03:11.17 | Jucato | lol |
| 03:11.49 | qupada | Sutoka: (2^128)/86400/365+1970 ? |
| 03:12.10 | Sutoka | 10790283070806014188970529156960.11325012, eh close enough |
| 03:12.45 | Sho_ | lunitik: so what did you do to be on probation? ;) |
| 03:13.05 | qupada | lunitik: you could take the view of some people that we're going to get hit by a giant fucking comet some time in the next few weeks and all life on earth is going to go the way of the dinosaurs. then it won't matter |
| 03:13.06 | Sho_ | And why the hell is the new issue of LWN so late? bah |
| 03:13.10 | qupada | :P |
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| 03:13.34 | lunitik | Sho_: conspiracy to sell... use... paraphernalia... |
| 03:14.09 | lunitik | qupada: except that if it misses... I get a year in DOC... no thanks |
| 03:15.10 | lunitik | Sho_: oh... first two are "of a dangerous substance" ... so is worse than usual... or something... F4, 2 F6's... 2 M6's is what I actually got... and I've added at least an F6 since |
| 03:15.28 | lunitik | M1's not M6's... blah |
| 03:15.44 | lunitik | F = felony ... M = misdemeanor |
| 03:15.46 | Renze | do those codes mean anything outside of north america? |
| 03:15.50 | Renze | ah |
| 03:15.53 | Sutoka | why the f are you selling keys from a keyboard? and who would be stupid enough to buy an F4 key? |
| 03:16.02 | Sho_ | well, look at it this way: If you were a KWord developer working on import filters, "a year in DOC" would probably be worse |
| 03:16.09 | qupada | Sutoka: ground into powder, who could tell the difference |
| 03:16.17 | qupada | Sutoka: you have given me an idea |
| 03:16.27 | lunitik | Sutoka: sold meth... was high... they got me for the baggies too... |
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| 03:17.11 | BrigadierFrog | I wish konqueror had omniweb like tabs/previews |
| 03:17.14 | BrigadierFrog | instead of the boring text tabs |
| 03:17.27 | BrigadierFrog | and I wish they were vertical instead of horizontal across the top like that |
| 03:17.29 | Sho_ | I had forgotten an old pocket knife in my luggage on the airport ;) |
| 03:17.32 | Sutoka | Sho_: an XP install cd? |
| 03:17.44 | qupada | i was just reminded of this story: guy got busted and now holds the record for the strongest marijuana ever found in the uk: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/6060528.stm |
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| 03:18.43 | qupada | Renze: you were unlucky. i know people who have been riding on the footpath and had a cop pull them over to say 'good on you for wearing your helmet' |
| 03:18.51 | lunitik | Sho_: try a week without leaving your bathroom... only allowed books for entertainment... and you can bring along 3 guys... but you're not allowed to know them prior... and you pretty much got it... |
| 03:18.54 | Sho_ | Renze: Well, all charges were dropped in the end |
| 03:19.03 | Renze | qupada: this predates the helmet laws |
| 03:19.27 | lunitik | Sho_: Most of the time in DOC (Department of Corrections) you're in lock down... which basically is exactly what I just described |
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| 03:20.40 | lunitik | Actually... in DOC, I think its only 2 men per cell... |
| 03:20.44 | Sho_ | Renze: Basically, what happened is that we had a school shooting in the country a couple of years back, and as a response, the weapon regulations were made more stringent, curiously also outlawing certain types of pocket knives (we're talking about a 5cm one, by the way). I had forgotten I had one in my luggage (not my hand luggage, the suitcase that went into the plane's belly), and the police is required to sue. |
| 03:21.35 | Sho_ | Renze: Since it's idiotic, the charges are usually dropped in the hearing unless the guy showing up is a trainwreck |
| 03:21.40 | ServerSage | Sutoka: So if arts is dead, and I recompile KDE with -arts, will it use Alsa correctly? |
| 03:22.00 | Renze | arts and alsa are two completely different animals |
| 03:22.04 | qupada | Sho_: because somehow either the knife goes on a solo killing spree or you get into the hold where the luggage is, find your case and get it out without a) asphixyating because the hold isn't pressurised or b) someone noticing |
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| 03:22.22 | Sho_ | qupada: hehe :) |
| 03:22.30 | ServerSage | Renze: Yes, this I know. arts blows, and isn't working for shit. If I compile KDE without arts, what does it do? |
| 03:22.47 | ServerSage | Oh, and this is KDE 3.5.5 |
| 03:22.51 | lunitik | ServerSage: doesn't support arts? |
| 03:23.00 | Renze | it uses whatever you set as an external player for notifications, and you use a decent music player like amarok which doesn't need arts at all |
| 03:23.20 | Jucato | ALSA is a sound driver, aRts is a multimedia framework (afaik) |
| 03:23.22 | Sho_ | Well, actually, emerging with USE="-arts" will disable knotify, which is not so good |
| 03:23.29 | Sutoka | ServerSage: you should set notifications to use 'play' (part of the sox package) and everything will be fine then |
| 03:23.48 | Sutoka | aRts is a sound server |
| 03:23.48 | ServerSage | Sutoka: Yeah, did that. |
| 03:23.53 | Jucato | ah there... |
| 03:24.00 | lunitik | Sho_: knotify does the little balloon thingers too huh? |
| 03:24.07 | Renze | yes |
| 03:24.07 | Jucato | I usually get the terminologies wrong. :) |
| 03:24.09 | ServerSage | Sutoka: Now Kaffeine doesn't play anything either, I assume because it uses arts? |
| 03:24.12 | Sho_ | Jucato: Wrong. ALSA is a sound API and driver framework, aRTs is a software sound server used to blend multiple audio streams, which was created and needed in a time when there was little sound hardware capable of doing hardware mixing, or if it was capable, no Linux driver for it. |
| 03:24.20 | Sutoka | thats stupid... now i gotta recompile the chroot with +arts! grrr... |
| 03:24.24 | ServerSage | In which case, I'm stuck using Amorak? |
| 03:24.38 | ServerSage | Argh, Amarok. :) |
| 03:24.39 | Sutoka | ServerSage: did you tell it to use arts in its config? it normally uses alsa (via xine) |
| 03:24.46 | Sho_ | ServerSage: Kaffeine uses Xine, which in turn can use ALSA, OSS, Arts or ESD |
| 03:24.47 | Jucato | you can use JuK if you want |
| 03:25.03 | Renze | ServerSage: Kaffeine doesn't use arts unless you have set it to use arts for some unknown reason |
| 03:25.05 | Sho_ | ServerSage: As for aRTs, it's obsolete today, but if you set it to use an ALSA backend, it usually doesn't get in your way either |
| 03:25.26 | Sho_ | ServerSage: Since you say it doesn't work even if you do set it to use ALSA, you would appear to have some kind of ALSA setup problem |
| 03:25.49 | Renze | kdelibs |
| 03:26.09 | Sutoka | Renze: woo, and the kcontrol module should then be there as well? |
| 03:26.16 | Sho_ | Although Gentoo will be getting the patch that gets KNotify working without arts pretty soon |
| 03:26.18 | Renze | yup |
| 03:26.22 | Sho_ | Diego just blogged about it the other day |
| 03:26.30 | Renze | Sho_: funky! |
| 03:26.31 | Sutoka | Sho_: ok then screw arts! |
| 03:26.49 | Sho_ | see http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2006/10/17/lets-rebuild-the-world |
| 03:26.55 | Sho_ | and http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2006/10/18/my-own-status-update |
| 03:27.13 | ServerSage | Sho_: Sounds work great for everything, except anything related to KDE. *kicks laptop* |
| 03:27.23 | Sho_ | 'And just while I was writing this, pfeiffer committed the change to kdelibs that allows to still have notification with arts disabled in kdelibs. Which means that it will finally be merged soon in Gentoo too.' |
| 03:27.47 | Sho_ | Diego is referring to KDE SVN revision 596924 |
| 03:27.53 | Sho_ | seen here: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/pfeiffer |
| 03:27.59 | Sho_ | so ... 3.5.6 should do it out of the box even |
| 03:28.07 | Sutoka | awesome, ill just wait a while till 3.5.5 (-r1 i guess) is marked stable... or i get tired of waiting |
| 03:28.30 | Sho_ | Jucato: Later I will be sleeping so ask now ;) |
| 03:28.50 | Jucato | lol, maybe after all the arts stuff. not that important anyway :) |
| 03:29.26 | Renze | Jucato: we can all multitask :) |
| 03:29.30 | Jucato | lol |
| 03:29.36 | Jucato | Sho_: would you have any idea if the Summary View in Kontact would be able to display feeds from Akregator in the near future? |
| 03:29.42 | Sho_ | The great kicker panel of the mind |
| 03:29.42 | Jucato | (copy-paste) :) |
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| 03:30.53 | odla | how can i make my gtk programs not look so ugly, i.e. firefox? |
| 03:30.57 | Sho_ | Jucato: Only in KDE 4, I'd say. In KDE 3.x, Akregator doesn't expose the required interfaces, but in KDE 4, Akregator draws upon a newly developed feed library called libsyndication, and will use KDE's new PIM data server Akonadi for storage. The idea is to turn feeds into a platform service, so Kontact's Summary View could get at the data easily. |
| 03:31.07 | Sutoka | odla: for firefox, install a theme |
| 03:31.18 | odla | Sutoka: like a firefox theme? |
| 03:31.19 | Jucato | ooh akonadi :) |
| 03:31.22 | Sutoka | odla: installing the gtk-engines-qt will make gtk apps look more like kde ones |
| 03:31.27 | Sutoka | odla: yes |
| 03:31.43 | Sho_ | odla: You can install the "gtk-qt-engine" (your distro should have a package of that or a similar name), a GTK widget style that uses the current KDE widget style to render |
| 03:31.48 | Jucato | Sho_: ok thanks. I just find it weird that I couldn't do that even if Akregator is integrated (not much) in Kontact :) |
| 03:32.20 | Jucato | that package will add a GTK Style and Fonts to your Control Panel (KControl) |
| 03:32.21 | odla | ok |
| 03:33.12 | phlux | Okay folks..I know it's possible and probably right under my nose, but how do I make KMenu transparent? I have the taskbar itself transparent..I just need to make the KMenu transparent |
| 03:33.29 | odla | where under the control panel would that be? |
| 03:33.51 | Jucato | odla: Appearance and Themes, iirc |
| 03:33.57 | Sho_ | phlux: The KDE style options have a menu translucency effect that affects all menus, including KMenu |
| 03:34.00 | Renze | phlux: control centre -> appearance & themes -> style, effects tab |
| 03:34.19 | odla | i don't have anything that says GTK Style and Fonts |
| 03:34.30 | Jucato | hm... strange |
| 03:34.32 | Sho_ | odla: You will after you install the gtk-qt-engine as I suggested |
| 03:34.38 | Renze | odla: you need to install gtk-qt-engine to get that |
| 03:34.45 | Jucato | oh he hasn't installed it yet? |
| 03:35.00 | odla | ah |
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| 03:36.22 | Sho_ | Ah, there's the new LWN issue |
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| 03:36.39 | odla | ok that makes firefox look better for sure |
| 03:36.42 | Sutoka | Sho_: subscriber? |
| 03:36.50 | Sho_ | Sutoka: sure :) |
| 03:36.53 | Jucato | odla: and most GTK apps as well |
| 03:37.08 | brenda | DOES ANYONE Know how to remove the black up arrow on the hde bar not show |
| 03:37.15 | brenda | like for the kmenu |
| 03:37.32 | Jucato | afaik, you can't |
| 03:37.42 | brenda | kde bar^ |
| 03:37.52 | Renze | kicker :) |
| 03:38.00 | brenda | yea |
| 03:38.01 | Sho_ | brenda: You can't |
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| 03:38.13 | Jucato | yay I was right (for once)! |
| 03:38.24 | brenda | well durn.. i was told linux is 100% customizablr |
| 03:38.39 | Jucato | err.. I'm asthmatic... :P |
| 03:38.44 | Renze | brenda: it is... if you alter the code and rebuild :D |
| 03:38.45 | Sutoka | brenda: websvn.kde.org ;-) |
| 03:38.59 | Jucato | brenda: probably 99% only.. you still have software/toolkit restraints |
| 03:39.10 | Jucato | anyway, Linux evolves, so in the future, that may be possible |
| 03:39.15 | Sho_ | brenda: Well, yes, you can modify the source code not to show the arrow and recompile it |
| 03:39.29 | brenda | do you know how? |
| 03:39.53 | Endler | You don't need gtk-qt-engine to make gtk apps look right under KDE |
| 03:39.56 | phlux | thank you |
| 03:40.10 | Endler | You and just make a .gtkrc-2.0 file |
| 03:40.12 | Sho_ | brenda: Yes, I do. Unfortunately explaining it is a bit beyond the scope of this conversation, however. |
| 03:40.25 | Endler | In your home directory |
| 03:40.27 | Renze | Endler: that's kinda difficult for the average user :) |
| 03:40.32 | qupada | Endler: and put what in it exactly? |
| 03:40.39 | qupada | some of us don't have any gtk themes installed |
| 03:40.46 | Sutoka | Endler: that won't make gtk's widgets look similar to kde ones |
| 03:40.52 | brenda | this is my first day with linux :) |
| 03:40.55 | Sho_ | Endler: Yes, and you could also render "Toy Story" in MS Paint, but why if you can use a more comfortable tool ;) |
| 03:40.58 | brenda | I am using Suse 10.1 |
| 03:40.59 | Jucato | lol @ ganging up on Endler :) |
| 03:41.02 | Endler | Well, the problem with the qt-engine |
| 03:41.07 | Renze | brenda: my first day was in January 1999 :) |
| 03:41.12 | Jucato | brenda: welcome to Linux :) |
| 03:41.18 | Endler | is that it take over in gnome to if you have both KDE and Gnome installed |
| 03:41.27 | Sutoka | 2001 i think here... |
| 03:41.30 | Renze | why would anyone want gnome installed? :) |
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| 03:41.42 | brenda | i have everything installed |
| 03:41.42 | Endler | and it screws up themes in gnome |
| 03:41.43 | Endler | :) |
| 03:41.46 | brenda | all 5 disks |
| 03:41.55 | Sutoka | Endler: i consider that a plus ;-) |
| 03:42.06 | Renze | disks? no network install? :D |
| 03:42.13 | Sho_ | SuSE 10.1 has this horrid old version of Konversation |
| 03:42.18 | Sho_ | someone was sleeping on their end |
| 03:42.22 | Endler | I like to keep all my options open :) |
| 03:42.37 | Renze | I tried gnome once... once... |
| 03:42.41 | Jucato | er yeah, gtk-qt-engine does have a nasty habit of taking over GNOME settings as well |
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| 03:43.06 | Sho_ | Well, Gnome has this nasty habit of not using Qt |
| 03:43.15 | Endler | the same way gnome-settings-daemon take over more than it should in KDE. |
| 03:43.15 | Jucato | lol |
| 03:43.21 | Endler | like the keyboard |
| 03:43.35 | Sutoka | ooo flash 9 is now showing up on gentoo-portage, its probably on most rsync servers now i bet |
| 03:43.58 | qupada | Sutoka: i synced 90 minutes ago and it was there |
| 03:44.01 | Sho_ | Sutoka: The litmus test is usually whether it's on package.gentoo.org, which is slow ;) |
| 03:44.02 | Sutoka | Jucato: gtk-qt-engine is on fdo (not a standard though) |
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| 03:44.20 | Jucato | ah |
| 03:44.51 | Sutoka | Sho_: not on packages.gentoo.org yet |
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| 03:47.32 | imanewbie | folks I cant drag n drop my icons =/ |
| 03:48.29 | imanewbie | I drag n drop but they don't move =/ |
| 03:48.41 | Sutoka | imanewbie: on the desktop? |
| 03:48.46 | brenda | Who uses linspear? |
| 03:49.04 | brenda | with its CNR? |
| 03:49.08 | Renze | not I |
| 03:49.31 | brenda | Tigerdirect.com sells it with a crappy pc |
| 03:49.37 | Sutoka | imanewbie: if on the desktop, try right mouse clicking on the desktop somewhere -> icons -> and if "Lock in Place" is checked, click it to uncheck it |
| 03:49.59 | Sutoka | i tried linspire once, it seemed ok but i didn't like the idea of paying for stuff thats free |
| 03:50.27 | Jucato | Sutoka: freespire, then? |
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| 03:50.31 | Jucato | CnR is free now |
| 03:50.33 | imanewbie | Jucato: fixed thanks |
| 03:50.40 | imanewbie | I meant Sutoka :) |
| 03:50.43 | Sutoka | that was a good while ago |
| 03:50.50 | Jucato | imanewbie: heh:) |
| 03:50.51 | imanewbie | thanks o/ |
| 03:51.00 | brenda | What i got from Linux... is that Linux is making the world of programming free... |
| 03:51.02 | Sutoka | Jucato: haha! thats what you get for not answering a question! |
| 03:51.10 | Jucato | lol |
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| 03:51.33 | Jucato | I would answer if I knew how to... unfortunately, I have had no access to any Linux system for the past 5 days |
| 03:51.39 | Jucato | *quack* |
| 03:51.50 | Renze | duck season! *blam!* |
| 03:51.58 | Jucato | lol |
| 03:52.03 | Sho_ | 'Received CTCP-VERSION reply from Jucato: xchat 2.6.7a Windows 5.1 [i1586/1.41GHz]' |
| 03:52.05 | Jucato | Sho_: is investigating :) |
| 03:52.23 | brenda | When you delete something on linux, does it truly delete? unlike that of the windows |
| 03:52.24 | qupada | nice, it even gives your cpu speed |
| 03:52.24 | Sho_ | Alas, an evil xchat user |
| 03:52.24 | Renze | brenda: depends on how you delete it |
| 03:52.24 | Jucato | fair enough, I did a /whois Sho_ a while ago anyway :) |
| 03:52.47 | Jucato | Sho_: give me a Konvi that runs in XP and I will throw XChat as far as Pluto |
| 03:52.50 | Jucato | :) |
| 03:52.55 | qupada | mine you i had a java irc client on my cellphone that gave my phone's model and firmware revision in the ctcp reply, that's even less cool |
| 03:53.00 | qupada | Jucato: irssi runs on windows |
| 03:53.08 | Jucato | brenda: depends on where you deleted it. |
| 03:53.11 | Sutoka | Jucato: install cygwin and konversation! |
| 03:53.18 | Jucato | qupada: irssi GUI or CLI? |
| 03:53.22 | Sho_ | brenda: Depends on the file system (Linux offers many). In some file systems files can be successfully undeleted, other file systems employ techniques to thwart such efforts. |
| 03:53.30 | qupada | Jucato: cli all the way |
| 03:53.39 | Jucato | qupada: err.. um... no thanks then :) |
| 03:53.42 | Sho_ | Jucato: Believe me, I won't write a single line for win32 for KDE ever ;) |
| 03:53.50 | brenda | I am starting to add windows XP and SuSE Linux on the pcs I sell, do you all think thats a good idea... giving the user a chance to learn the world of linux? or do you think they will just fuck up their pc? |
| 03:54.12 | Renze | brenda: knowing the average user as I do... they'll fuck it up :D |
| 03:54.18 | Jucato | Sho_: ok then. I'll probably be one of those pushing for KDE 4 apps to be ported for Windows (once I learn how to lol) |
| 03:54.37 | Jucato | brenda: depends on the user. case to case basis |
| 03:54.39 | Sho_ | Jucato: And I'll be on the opposing side pushing against it ;) |
| 03:54.44 | qupada | brenda: the rule is you think the user is dumb, in reality they're dumber than that |
| 03:54.52 | Jucato | lol |
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| 03:55.02 | Jucato | Sho_: he who codes decides, right? :P |
| 03:55.11 | Sho_ | Jucato: Hopefully ;) |
| 03:55.21 | Jucato | ah meritocracy :) |
| 03:55.29 | brenda | What i want to do is try and push linux out to even more in house users.. |
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| 03:55.31 | Homer | amarok team already said they are wasting 0 energy to port amarok to windows |
| 03:55.38 | Jucato | qupada: I thought that was how GNOME thought about their users? :P |
| 03:55.41 | Sho_ | Jucato: In the case of the win32 port, he who pays may decide, since it's essentially motivated by commercial interests |
| 03:55.43 | Renze | zero point energy? |
| 03:55.45 | winrocks | Kdeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 03:55.46 | Sutoka | Homer: then later said they would port it to windows |
| 03:55.47 | Homer | I guess |
| 03:55.54 | Homer | they did? |
| 03:55.57 | Sho_ | Renze: Stargate geek! |
| 03:56.00 | Jucato | Sho_: err... why pay? isn't Qt4 for Windows free already? |
| 03:56.08 | qupada | Jucato: no, for gnome it goes "you think the user is dumb, remove features until the interface is down to their level" |
| 03:56.09 | Sutoka | oh great, that guy again |
| 03:56.22 | Sho_ | Jucato: I was referring to the porting work |
| 03:56.26 | brenda | I already sold 2 pcs with both Windows and Linux and one has even offer me $25 an hour to teach him how to use suse cuz he is "fed up with this damn windows" |
| 03:56.31 | Jucato | Sho_: ah. ok... |
| 03:56.45 | winrocks | Windows |
| 03:56.48 | Jucato | well anyway, the KOffice guys may have more motivation to porting their stuff to win32 than Konvi :) |
| 03:56.51 | winrocks | is |
| 03:56.53 | winrocks | Linux |
| 03:57.02 | qupada | brenda: well the first thing you need to know is linux made to look and/or work like windows is going to suck (look at linspire) |
| 03:57.02 | Homer | really |
| 03:57.14 | Jucato | or Linux XP? :) |
| 03:57.20 | qupada | brenda: the fact is, linux is different, and people have to learn to embrace it rather than fight it |
| 03:57.29 | Endler | I think it's easier for an average user to screw up Windows. I converted a few people, one in particular who'd screwed up their windows many a time, and so far none of them have screwed up Linux. |
| 03:57.29 | brenda | ok... |
| 03:57.45 | Jucato | brenda: distros can make the transition a bit easier, but in the end, you would still have to know about it |
| 03:57.50 | Renze | Endler: denied them the root password, eh? |
| 03:58.03 | brenda | i like the fact that linux askes for a password if you try to enter a protected spot |
| 03:58.10 | lunitik | qupada: Xandros is pretty decent though... and that is MORE aimed at Windows users than even Linspire |
| 03:58.15 | winrocks | Linspire ,Linux XP , XPDE |
| 03:58.41 | Endler | no, but they are doing anything stupid like running normal operations under the root account :) |
| 03:58.43 | lunitik | qupada: Xandros seems to pretty much have accomplished what Lindows originally set out to do... |
| 03:58.48 | Endler | aren't |
| 03:59.05 | winrocks | Linux vs Kernel32 is a okay dual |
| 03:59.06 | brenda | isn't lindows Linspear now.... |
| 03:59.16 | Sutoka | brenda: yep |
| 03:59.17 | Renze | Freespire too |
| 03:59.21 | winrocks | but Linux vs Windows is not possible |
| 03:59.28 | winrocks | Linux is a kernel |
| 03:59.35 | lunitik | winrocks: shut the fuck up you crackhead |
| 03:59.37 | winrocks | Windows is a complete system |
| 03:59.38 | brenda | wow.. why couldn't there be a distro call plain old Linux |
| 03:59.46 | qupada | don not even start the gnu/linux discussion |
| 03:59.53 | qupada | s/don/do |
| 03:59.54 | Renze | because linux is the name of the kernel |
| 03:59.56 | Sutoka | lunitik: hes trolled here a few times... should just ban him |
| 03:59.57 | lunitik | brenda: because Linus would sue them :) |
| 04:00.01 | winrocks | Linux vs Kernel32 : Linux wins |
| 04:00.09 | winrocks | Linux vs Windows : Linux loses |
| 04:00.16 | Jucato | Sho_: please do... |
| 04:00.19 | brenda | wtf is linus? |
| 04:00.24 | Jucato | do we even have channel rules here? |
| 04:00.24 | Sho_ | The trolls seem to come out at night, and all the ops are asleep :| |
| 04:00.27 | Renze | Linus Torvalds |
| 04:00.35 | Jucato | brenda: Linus is the "father" of the Linux kernel |
| 04:00.44 | lunitik | winrocks: comparing a kernel to an operating system is dumb... compare Windows to SUSE... who wins? |
| 04:00.50 | Sutoka | brenda: Linus Torvalds was the person that created the Linux kernel, and is now the benevolent dictator of its development ;-) |
| 04:00.51 | brenda | aww damn basterd lol |
| 04:00.54 | winrocks | Windows to SUSE |
| 04:00.55 | winrocks | ? |
| 04:01.06 | Endler | Well, pretty much everyone is running Windows as Admin because way too much shit doesn't work if you don't, hardly anyone runs as root in Linux |
| 04:01.15 | Jucato | Sho_: it's noon here :) |
| 04:01.24 | winrocks | Windows wins |
| 04:01.25 | winrocks | :) |
| 04:01.32 | Sho_ | Jucato: It's 6 AM here - I'm a nightowl .. |
| 04:01.37 | Jucato | whoa... |
| 04:01.38 | brenda | windows got broke... |
| 04:01.55 | winrocks | SUSE cannot do drm,cannot play 90% pc games ,cannot install driver easily,is not compatible with all wireless devices |
| 04:01.55 | lunitik | winrocks: wrong... Windows XP is 5 years old software.... |
| 04:02.05 | winrocks | whp talk about XP |
| 04:02.17 | winrocks | how do you know I dont talk about Vista or 203 |
| 04:02.18 | winrocks | how do you know I dont talk about Vista or 2003 |
| 04:02.25 | winrocks | I said Windows :) |
| 04:02.26 | brenda | i can play all my windblows games on linux |
| 04:02.32 | Jucato | Sho_: are there channel rules here? like about not feeding trolls? |
| 04:02.36 | lunitik | winrocks: I have a console for games... don't want DRM... all the drivers I need are already included... and have no issues with wireless |
| 04:02.47 | Sutoka | lunitik: please /ignore winrocks |
| 04:02.54 | Sho_ | Guys, this channel is a bout KDE, not Windows vs. SuSE, nor Windows in particular. Please drop the flamewar. |
| 04:02.56 | Sutoka | lunitik: hes just a stupid troll |
| 04:02.56 | Renze | do not feed the trolls |
| 04:03.08 | brenda | lol\ |
| 04:03.16 | brenda | [00:02] [Ignore] Added winrocks!* to your ignore list. |
| 04:03.20 | Sho_ | Jucato: We do have rules, but they don't do much good when there's noone around to enforce them. |
| 04:03.41 | brenda | i gtg guys... i have to open shop at 6 |
| 04:03.43 | brenda | later |
| 04:03.45 | Jucato | Sho_: oh... maybe you or someone who stays up at these hours could be given ops privs :) |
| 04:03.55 | brenda | and thanks for the help, i'll be back |
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| 04:04.08 | Sutoka | MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 04:04.12 | lunitik | Renze would make a good op too... if he didn't blow up at stupid little things :/ |
| 04:04.23 | brenda | #kde2 |
| 04:04.37 | Jucato | btw, why do we have 2 kde user channels? |
| 04:04.43 | Sho_ | Jucato: We do? |
| 04:04.44 | Renze | we do? |
| 04:05.00 | Jucato | or was that #kde-users? |
| 04:05.01 | Sho_ | #kde-user is empty |
| 04:05.07 | odla | how do i use the webshort cuts? i'd like to just be able to type in google to get to google.ca |
| 04:05.30 | lunitik | odla: gg: some search string |
| 04:05.32 | Sutoka | "gg: moo" you mean that? |
| 04:05.45 | lunitik | odla: change its trigger to go to .ca instead of .com |
| 04:05.45 | odla | ah i need the colon |
| 04:05.46 | odla | that's wh |
| 04:05.47 | odla | y |
| 04:05.57 | Jucato | Sho_: yeah but it's still listed: #kde-users - Alternative KDE users channel (http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=IRC+Channels) |
| 04:06.04 | Sutoka | in konqueror -> Configure Konqueror -> Web Shortcuts -> then you could change the google one to use google.ca |
| 04:06.09 | Jucato | odla: you can configure it not to sue a colon |
| 04:06.11 | brenda | #linux |
| 04:06.13 | Sho_ | Jucato: Probably for the, err, alternative users. :) |
| 04:06.20 | Sutoka | Jucato: its a wiki, edit it? |
| 04:06.22 | Jucato | odla: you have a choice of using a colon or a space |
| 04:06.40 | Jucato | Sutoka: actually I think it's aslo on the main kde page... |
| 04:06.55 | odla | ah yes keyword delimantor :) |
| 04:07.51 | odla | thanks! you guys are quick to help :D |
| 04:08.03 | Jucato | odla: you're lucky they're around :) |
| 04:08.11 | odla | ;) |
| 04:08.15 | Endler | Speaking of Trolls, what about spambots? How does freenode keep them away. I haven't come across any. |
| 04:08.31 | Endler | Other chats are almost crippled by them |
| 04:08.34 | Sutoka | hm... youtube still claims i don't have flash or java is off... |
| 04:08.42 | Sho_ | Endler: Non-identified users cannot send private messages on Freenode |
| 04:09.01 | Sutoka | s/java/javascript |
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| 04:09.23 | Endler | What about public forum message. Don't see any there either. |
| 04:09.58 | Sutoka | does anyone else have youtube claim either javascript or flash isn't enabled in their browsers? |
| 04:10.00 | Sho_ | Endler: Probably quickly dealt with by a competent admin staff (those guys rock) |
| 04:10.16 | odla | i love how configurable kde is...it makes gnome look so static |
| 04:10.21 | Sho_ | Sutoka: Nope (Konqueror 3.5.5 and Firefox 2.0 RC3) |
| 04:10.26 | Endler | Well, however it's done, it sure is refreshing :) |
| 04:10.45 | Sutoka | im using Konqueror 3.5.5 here and flash9 and its saying that... |
| 04:10.50 | Renze | Endler: it's a network full of geeks :) |
| 04:11.06 | Endler | That must be it. :) |
| 04:11.08 | odla | flash 9 is available for linux? |
| 04:11.12 | odla | i thought it's 7 |
| 04:11.17 | Sho_ | odla: A beta has been released today |
| 04:11.17 | Sutoka | putting the url for the swf file itself works fine |
| 04:11.19 | Jucato | beta |
| 04:11.22 | odla | wow |
| 04:11.28 | odla | that's great |
| 04:11.34 | odla | about time though |
| 04:11.37 | Sho_ | odla: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/releasenotes.html |
| 04:12.09 | Sho_ | & /technologies/flashplayer9/releasenotes.html |
| 04:12.16 | Sho_ | * http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html |
| 04:12.49 | Sho_ | Too tired to copy'n'paste properly ... time to go to bed :) |
| 04:12.56 | Sho_ | g'night |
| 04:13.14 | qupada | night |
| 04:13.19 | Jucato | night Sho_ ! |
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| 04:15.07 | Sutoka | lol... when clicking 'fullscreen' on a youtube video nsplugin crashes |
| 04:15.24 | qupada | woot |
| 04:16.49 | *** part/#kde qubit_ (n=qubit@modemcable045.246-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 04:16.59 | Renze | isn't proprietary software fantastic? ;) |
| 04:17.06 | Sutoka | gotta love it |
| 04:29.56 | Sutoka | no you're not |
| 04:30.04 | Jucato | yes I am... :P |
| 04:30.17 | Sutoka | no, you're still known as Jucato |
| 04:30.17 | Jucato | but my flu is preventing me from having a good sleep... |
| 04:30.29 | Jucato_is_sleepy | there? |
| 04:30.31 | Sutoka | screw you |
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| 04:32.26 | Sutoka | yay |
| 04:32.34 | abattoir | lol |
| 04:32.40 | Jucato | :P |
| 04:32.48 | abattoir | hmm, guess ignoring does work, after all :P |
| 04:32.53 | Jucato | of course |
| 04:33.05 | Jucato | if you don't feed a troll,you starve it to extinction :) |
| 04:33.10 | Sutoka | well if everyone pretends they're asleep, looks like he'll give up |
| 04:33.15 | ejm | man, I wish those kde guys who hurry up with KDE 4. |
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| 04:33.22 | ejm | *would |
| 04:33.23 | Sutoka | feeding a troll is bad, feeding a Troll is good |
| 04:33.29 | ejm | jk |
| 04:33.33 | Jucato | ejm: care to help them speed it up? :) |
| 04:33.35 | Sutoka | ejm: loads of work is going on for KDE 4 |
| 04:33.35 | Renze | ejm: I'd rather they did it right than did it quickly |
| 04:33.38 | ejm | I'm not a programmer. |
| 04:33.49 | Jucato | well then, keep on wishing :) |
| 04:33.50 | ejm | I agree--better right than quickly. |
| 04:34.05 | Sutoka | ejm: you can help other ways, documentation, testing, money, and other things as well all will help |
| 04:34.09 | Jucato | I don't see KDE 4 coming out by 2007 Q1 or even Q2... |
| 04:34.16 | Jucato | money is the best! :P |
| 04:34.19 | Sutoka | probably late Q1, early Q2 |
| 04:34.39 | ejm | It's the most antisipated thing in linux that I've seen in my 3 years. |
| 04:34.45 | ejm | of using linux. |
| 04:35.00 | Sutoka | yes, the death of aRts will be a huge event |
| 04:35.02 | Jucato | hm... more anticipated than GPLv3? :P |
| 04:35.32 | ejm | well, I guess the 2nd thing that I can remember would be waiting for Suse's ZMD thing to get fixed. |
| 04:35.42 | Jucato | I'm against euthanasia... but if aRts' gotta go, it's gotta go :) |
| 04:35.49 | Sutoka | zmd... ugh |
| 04:36.06 | Sutoka | zmd & rug were probably the worst moves EVER |
| 04:36.12 | ejm | I don't even use zmd |
| 04:36.24 | Sutoka | i keep trying to disable it on my laptop, but it keeps coming back |
| 04:36.28 | Renze | wtf is zmd? |
| 04:36.43 | ejm | It's a package updater. |
| 04:36.50 | Sutoka | Renze: no one freaking knows |
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| 04:37.01 | ejm | It's easier to use (if you can get it to work) than YaST. |
| 04:37.07 | Renze | what's a package? ;) |
| 04:37.10 | ejm | But, I like synpatic the best. |
| 04:37.12 | ejm | lol |
| 04:37.18 | Sutoka | Renze: it has to be running 24/7 to allow you to update packages through it |
| 04:37.20 | Jucato | what's lol? |
| 04:37.43 | Sutoka | i prefer smart on suse |
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| 04:37.56 | ejm | smart is ok, but synaptic on suse is 10x faster. |
| 04:38.14 | Sutoka | where did you find synaptic for suse? |
| 04:38.46 | ejm | let me find the website. |
| 04:38.52 | Sutoka | i wish i could just dump zmd/rug on suse... they're HORRIBLE |
| 04:39.15 | Sutoka | even with the 'fixes' they make yum look good (and i hate yum!) |
| 04:39.17 | ejm | I keep thinking of red hat linux when I think of zmd. |
| 04:39.25 | Sutoka | zmd is a mono app... |
| 04:39.49 | Sutoka | i guess its better than being a vb6 app... |
| 04:40.40 | ejm | http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Install-apt4suse |
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| 04:40.48 | ejm | You install the rpm. |
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| 04:40.55 | ejm | and then run 'apt update' |
| 04:40.59 | Jucato | hm... wasn't there also a yast4deb project? |
| 04:41.02 | winrocks | SUSE + true type fonts + XPDE + CrossOver+ Dual Core +1 gb RAM(or more) + Marketing : Now the Linux distro is real a system |
| 04:41.07 | ejm | and then you should be able to install synaptic |
| 04:41.16 | ejm | XPDE? |
| 04:41.27 | winrocks | :) |
| 04:41.36 | winrocks | google it |
| 04:41.48 | Jucato | *please do ignore winrocks* thanks |
| 04:41.57 | ejm | ok |
| 04:42.05 | winrocks | if you want to learn how to render your linux easy,do not |
| 04:42.17 | ejm | There's so many linux applications out there. |
| 04:42.50 | Sutoka | ejm: please /ignore winrocks, hes an annoying troll that keeps trying to advertise windows |
| 04:42.57 | winrocks | ejm,dont do |
| 04:43.02 | winrocks | they are jealous |
| 04:43.19 | ejm | I wikied XPDE, and it's just a xp ui for linux. |
| 04:43.28 | winrocks | xpde.com |
| 04:43.30 | Jucato | ejm: basically yes. |
| 04:43.34 | ejm | I hate xp anyway, why would I want linux to look like xp? |
| 04:43.50 | Renze | you wouldn't |
| 04:44.00 | winrocks | it gives a new look and feel to your desktop |
| 04:44.02 | Jucato | ejm: now you realize why I recommended that you ignore someone? |
| 04:44.05 | Renze | unless you have no taste at all |
| 04:44.07 | ejm | lol |
| 04:44.14 | ejm | compiz! |
| 04:44.18 | winrocks | and ohh I did forget the icon package too : kde xp from alex speleo |
| 04:44.26 | Jucato | I don't have to /ignore to mentally and visually ignore people, though :) |
| 04:44.56 | ejm | I wish I could be a hardcore linux guru---no gui! |
| 04:45.12 | Sutoka | try using it, quite easy |
| 04:45.13 | Renze | I started on computers before there was a GUI ;) |
| 04:45.14 | winrocks | hardcore guru ? |
| 04:45.18 | Jucato | ejm: well, you don't need to to have no GUI to be a hardcore linux guru, and vice versa |
| 04:45.19 | Renze | waaaaaay back in 1983 |
| 04:45.29 | Jucato | Renze: lol that was the year I was born :P |
| 04:45.29 | winrocks | ahh |
| 04:45.34 | winrocks | okay so close X |
| 04:45.38 | Renze | I was born in 69 |
| 04:45.44 | Jucato | ooh nice number lol |
| 04:45.45 | Renze | <--- old fart |
| 04:45.45 | winrocks | and no longer use konqueror to browse |
| 04:45.51 | winrocks | use Lynx |
| 04:46.09 | Sutoka | lynx is for n00bs |
| 04:46.11 | Sutoka | telnet ftw |
| 04:46.18 | Jucato | lol |
| 04:46.22 | winrocks | yeah ? |
| 04:46.33 | Renze | 1200 baud dialup and xmodem! |
| 04:46.37 | Jucato | Sutoka: I urge you to just ignore :) |
| 04:46.48 | winrocks | ejm |
| 04:46.48 | ejm | I put him on my ignore list. |
| 04:46.54 | winrocks | okay,noob |
| 04:46.55 | Jucato | lol |
| 04:46.56 | winrocks | do that |
| 04:47.06 | ejm | another advancement of KDE and Konversation! |
| 04:47.14 | winrocks | it will get you nowhere |
| 04:47.19 | Jucato | well, in any IRC client for that matter :) |
| 04:47.23 | Endler | I remember 300 baud modems. You could read the text as it was being displayed. :) |
| 04:47.43 | Renze | Endler: so do I... even saw one made of wood and rubber :) |
| 04:48.03 | Jucato | ejm: but I actually enjoying its (I should be using his, but...) futile attempts. kinda amusing if you can control yourself lol |
| 04:48.14 | Endler | Rember the big list of all the bbs's that were not connected? |
| 04:48.17 | ejm | yeah, I suppose so. |
| 04:48.32 | Renze | Endler: I ran a BBS in my old city |
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| 04:49.00 | Endler | We sure have come a long way. |
| 04:49.17 | winrocks | what is better :a free Windows or a 30 dollars Linux distro ? |
| 04:49.42 | Shirakawasuna | looks like I left it in my german classroom |
| 04:49.55 | Shirakawasuna | the teacher for the class after it saw it on the ground - no one turned it in though :/ |
| 04:50.10 | Shirakawasuna | winrocks: a free linux distro |
| 04:50.32 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: please ignore the troll :) |
| 04:50.33 | winrocks | you didnt understand my question |
| 04:50.35 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: do not feed the troll |
| 04:50.43 | Shirakawasuna | winrocks: also I will eat you |
| 04:50.54 | Renze | kinky |
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| 04:51.05 | winrocks | a free Windows on a CD with user guide or a 30 dollars Linux distro on a CD with user guide ? |
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| 04:51.10 | ejm | I want to say something about how the other os is going to be like w/o billy boy. |
| 04:51.11 | Shirakawasuna | winrocks: question: will you taste like grease or slop? |
| 04:51.26 | Sutoka | ~troll winrocks |
| 04:51.28 | apt | ACTION hereby declares winrocks a troll |
| 04:51.28 | winrocks | like a malware |
| 04:51.33 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: you eat rotten meat? |
| 04:51.40 | Shirakawasuna | mmm, rotten meat |
| 04:51.42 | winrocks | apt-get |
| 04:51.47 | Jucato | yuck |
| 04:51.48 | ejm | where's the troll gun? |
| 04:51.53 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: so uh, go get my german book |
| 04:51.55 | winrocks | on my hand |
| 04:52.06 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: and edit this paper for me |
| 04:52.12 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: if you're paying airfare, sure ;) |
| 04:52.36 | Shirakawasuna | if by airfare you mean I'll give you some food while you're on the plane, ok |
| 04:52.48 | Jucato | lol |
| 04:52.49 | Endler | It's pretty f'd up wasting a lot of time hanging out on a forum for something you don't like just to piss people off. |
| 04:52.51 | Renze | and paying for the return ticket |
| 04:53.09 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: you get potatoes and nothing else! |
| 04:53.13 | ejm | well,, I'll be back after a bit. |
| 04:53.14 | Jucato | Endler: such is the nature of a troll :) |
| 04:53.17 | Renze | Endler: some people are so truly pathetic they can't do anything else |
| 04:53.33 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: then I have two words for you: 1) get, and 2) bent :) |
| 04:53.46 | winrocks | Mr de Ruiter |
| 04:53.49 | winrocks | :) |
| 04:53.50 | Endler | trolls are strange creature indead. |
| 04:55.22 | Jucato | strangest creatures of the world wide web |
| 04:55.31 | Shirakawasuna | woo for amarok 1.4.2 |
| 04:55.33 | Shirakawasuna | *1.4.3 |
| 04:55.33 | Endler | There are so many forums I have no interest in. If I wanted to become one, how would I choose which channel that I don't care about to spend all my time? |
| 04:55.48 | Renze | Endler: easy... ##windows :) |
| 04:56.04 | Jucato | or #gnome? *snickers* |
| 04:56.07 | Sutoka | wow people are actually in there |
| 04:56.25 | Renze | "my god, it's full of trolls" |
| 04:56.43 | winrocks | [T]orvalds is a [R]aw [O]ffender of [O]S c[L]ick on and [L]et for [S]ure |
| 04:56.56 | winrocks | troolls rule |
| 04:57.25 | Sutoka | Renze: i think the troll just said the stupidest thing hes ever said so far... though thats a crown he often tops |
| 04:57.36 | Renze | Sutoka: I have it on /ignore |
| 04:57.37 | ejm | gnome.....gives me the creeps. |
| 04:57.39 | Jucato | not to mention how much brain power :P |
| 04:57.53 | winrocks | :) |
| 04:57.54 | Shirakawasuna | Endler: #ubuntu |
| 04:57.56 | Shirakawasuna | oooooooooh |
| 04:57.57 | ejm | where's the admin to kick the troll out? |
| 04:58.02 | Jucato | Renze: aw... it's amusing to watch it |
| 04:58.05 | Jucato | ejm: sleeping :P |
| 04:58.06 | Sutoka | Jucato: well consider how little brain power a troll naturally has, he must have been thinking about that one for QUITE a while |
| 04:58.21 | Jucato | Sutoka: no wonder it was so silent for a while :) |
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| 04:58.35 | silly_girl22 | when is kde 4 supposed to be released? |
| 04:58.38 | winrocks | [L]inux [I]s [N]ot for [U],Ro[X]y |
| 04:58.40 | Renze | 2007 |
| 04:58.41 | Endler | Do they really have green hair? |
| 04:58.41 | Shirakawasuna | woo, /ignored |
| 04:58.46 | Jucato | silly_girl22: no target date yet |
| 04:58.59 | Jucato | but 2007 most probably |
| 04:59.15 | Jucato | aw.. you're missing out on the fun Shirakawasuna :) |
| 04:59.15 | Sutoka | probably sometime in the first half |
| 04:59.25 | ejm | well...here's a problem that you could solve (not really--more like x.org's fault) |
| 04:59.31 | Renze | whoa... howling a gale outside |
| 04:59.35 | ejm | I have a laptop. |
| 04:59.36 | Renze | 120km/h winds |
| 04:59.44 | Shirakawasuna | ejm: I deny the existence of your laptop |
| 05:00.04 | Jucato | lol |
| 05:00.04 | Sutoka | ejm: having a laptop IS a problem... i recommend a brick |
| 05:00.07 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: make your saving throw versus illusions |
| 05:00.08 | silly_girl22 | i have many kde apps in gnome. i have to have the best of both worlds. |
| 05:00.11 | ejm | yeah, it's the Fn key thing. |
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| 05:00.23 | ejm | swiftfox! |
| 05:00.46 | Jucato | silly_girl22: hm.. if you use more KDE apps than you use GNOME, don't you wonder why you're running GNOME at all (or vice versa) |
| 05:01.03 | winrocks | [W]indows [I]s [F]or [I]ntel |
| 05:01.17 | Renze | silly_girl22: why not just run a few gnome apps in KDE? :D |
| 05:01.31 | Sutoka | why not send gnome to /dev/null ;-) |
| 05:01.38 | Jucato | lol |
| 05:01.45 | Jucato | now if we could only send trolls to /dev/null |
| 05:01.52 | Sutoka | oops ;-) |
| 05:01.52 | silly_girl22 | im going to switch to fedora core 6 when it comes out. ill see about maybe using kde in it. |
| 05:02.01 | Renze | Jucato: they already send their brains there in advance |
| 05:02.02 | ejm | my apps are usually konqueror, comix, swiftfox, ktorrent, amarok, konversation, and kopete. |
| 05:02.05 | Endler | Anyone try OOo 2.0.4. It does seem to load quite a bit faster now--very fast on after the first load. Must leave some of itself behind even when you close out all instances, but I don't notice a big memory footprint left behind. |
| 05:02.17 | Shirakawasuna | comix drove me crazy. Does it not suck now? |
| 05:02.27 | ejm | not sure. |
| 05:02.28 | Shirakawasuna | I accidentally clicked the thing once, it tried to open 20 windows |
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| 05:02.42 | Jucato | wasnt' there a new KDE comics app? |
| 05:02.44 | ejm | there's a qt version of comix. |
| 05:02.47 | Jucato | darn I forgot the name... |
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| 05:02.56 | ejm | yeah, qcomicbookreader |
| 05:03.00 | ejm | something like that |
| 05:03.01 | Jucato | ah there |
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| 05:03.04 | winrocks001 | hmmm |
| 05:03.20 | Shirakawasuna | komics |
| 05:03.22 | Shirakawasuna | ? |
| 05:03.29 | silly_girl22 | i have to have ktorrent, k3b, amarok however i cant live without xchat-gnome, gftp, gaim. maybe i am using more kde apps than gnome. |
| 05:03.30 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: no something like what ejm said |
| 05:03.32 | ejm | i like the controls of comix more than qc............ |
| 05:03.35 | Shirakawasuna | I'm thinking like funny pages |
| 05:03.53 | Jucato | silly_girl22: xchat and gaim runs well on KDE. and you can use Konqueror for ftp:/ |
| 05:04.05 | Shirakawasuna | silly_girl22: obviously you haven't used konversation/konqueror |
| 05:04.06 | Sutoka | silly_girl22: konqueror has built in support for ftp (and sftp, fish, samba, nfs, and several others) |
| 05:04.07 | ejm | i catch up on all the comics that i couldn't afford when I was a little kid |
| 05:04.09 | Endler | K3B is great. Never had a bad burn with it. |
| 05:04.10 | Renze | use /ignore *!*@host-213-136-112-135.afnet.net people... so nick changes won't matter |
| 05:04.10 | Jucato | silly_girl22: have you tried Konversation 1.0... really really nice |
| 05:04.25 | Shirakawasuna | silly_girl22: an argument can be made to keep gaim but kopete is quite....not as bulky feeling |
| 05:04.30 | Sutoka | too bad Sho_ is sleeping, otherwise he could advertise Konversation right now |
| 05:04.41 | Renze | Konversation ftw! |
| 05:04.49 | Jucato | well, we can all advertise how great it is, right? |
| 05:04.52 | Shirakawasuna | winrocks001: don't make me ignore your new name |
| 05:04.56 | Jucato | (just don't ask techinical questons) |
| 05:05.01 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: see above |
| 05:05.05 | Endler | Konversation even includes the kitchen sink and will brush your teeth for you. :) |
| 05:05.05 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: if you must, just ignore the IP |
| 05:05.06 | silly_girl22 | ill try Konversation |
| 05:05.15 | Endler | I mean Konqueror, lol |
| 05:05.23 | Jucato | Endler: actually it's Kontact that includes the kitchenysnc :P |
| 05:05.43 | silly_girl22 | command and konqueror, nevermind. thats a game. |
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| 05:05.57 | Jucato | The 3 Kon*s I use the most. Konqueror, Konversation, Kontact |
| 05:05.57 | Endler | yeah, but I can't use it to it's fullest because I can't trust Kmail with IMAP |
| 05:06.03 | Endler | unfortunately |
| 05:06.07 | Sutoka | my shirt says kon... |
| 05:06.07 | Jucato | oh |
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| 05:06.25 | Shirakawasuna | silly_girl22: I used to use xchat in KDE until I discovered the greatness of konversation |
| 05:06.30 | Sutoka | unfortunately its not a kde reference |
| 05:06.42 | Endler | POP3 sucks unless you always only access your mail from one place |
| 05:06.44 | ejm | akode is crapped up on me for some reason...I can't read the rss unless I magnify the fonts by 10 |
| 05:06.44 | Shirakawasuna | silly_girl22: it is actually superior to x-chat - same features and more |
| 05:06.51 | Jucato | silly_girl22: coincidentally, there's a KDE app also called Kommander :) |
| 05:06.57 | Shirakawasuna | and I thought x-chat was pretty good at the time |
| 05:07.07 | Endler | I don't understand why POP3 is still in use. |
| 05:07.07 | Sutoka | Kommander and Konqueror! |
| 05:07.16 | Jucato | don't forget Krusader |
| 05:07.21 | Jucato | Endler: Gmail? :P |
| 05:07.28 | silly_girl22 | lol |
| 05:07.40 | Jucato | One thing XChat can do that Konvi can't yet... although it's just eye-candy |
| 05:07.49 | Ardonik | Endler: if you'd like a free IMAP service (as opposed to all the dump free POP3 ones), try Fastmail.fm. |
| 05:07.51 | Ardonik | That's what I use. |
| 05:08.05 | Ardonik | I, too, require the features IMAP provides. |
| 05:08.08 | Endler | I already use them. :D |
| 05:08.34 | Endler | Just saying Kmail has a very critical bug with IMAP. |
| 05:08.47 | Endler | You could loose your whole mailbox. |
| 05:08.50 | Endler | lose |
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| 05:09.14 | Jucato | oh btw, see how ignoring a troll works so well? |
| 05:09.14 | Sutoka | Endler: don't worry, it'll just show up in the lost & found bin |
| 05:09.16 | Jucato | :P |
| 05:09.20 | Shirakawasuna | Jucato: what's this thing xchat can do that konvi can't? |
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| 05:09.29 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: transparent chat window |
| 05:09.33 | Shirakawasuna | ah |
| 05:09.38 | Shirakawasuna | I thought you could do that |
| 05:09.41 | Jucato | told ya it was just eye-candy :) |
| 05:09.52 | Sutoka | Jucato: pseudo transparent? konversation supports it (though its disabled at build time IIRC) |
| 05:10.13 | Jucato | Sutoka: if that's what you call the kind of transparency that Konsole uses |
| 05:10.19 | Sutoka | Jucato: yep |
| 05:10.22 | Jucato | yeah |
| 05:10.42 | Jucato | Sutoka: so notice why I said "can't *yet*"? :) |
| 05:10.43 | Sutoka | Jucato: its where the program takes a picture of the wall paper behind itself, and then uses that |
| 05:10.58 | Sutoka | Jucato: well it already could a while ago, they just disabled it |
| 05:11.15 | Endler | real transparency is cool and all, but not very practical. |
| 05:11.18 | Jucato | heh... well users won't know that it could if it was disabled :) |
| 05:11.19 | Shirakawasuna | for the most part I don't see the point of transparent windows .... |
| 05:11.30 | Endler | It's really hard to read text over text |
| 05:11.34 | Shirakawasuna | exactly |
| 05:11.40 | Sutoka | its nice for watching a movie while doing something else |
| 05:11.43 | Jucato | depends on your background |
| 05:11.56 | Sutoka | i.e. watching the output of something, or to see if someone IMs you (and its not just a stupid message) |
| 05:12.37 | Endler | With fake transparency it depends on your wallpaper--with real it is most likely another document underneath |
| 05:12.40 | Jucato | I use (used) translucency on windows so that the windows with the current focus is 100% opaque while the rest aren't |
| 05:13.00 | Sutoka | well when xcomposite has better support in the toolkits most likely it'll be implemented often where the text isn't made transparent, just the background |
| 05:13.04 | Jucato | and by windows, I don't mean that dreaded OS of the quad-colored butterfly |
| 05:13.21 | Endler | That sounds like a good idea |
| 05:13.29 | Jucato | that would be totally awesome |
| 05:14.05 | Sutoka | Jucato: good thing you said that, i thought you meant that other thing |
| 05:14.06 | Jucato | not to mention my dream :) |
| 05:14.06 | Jucato | Sutoka: lol |
| 05:14.06 | silly_girl22 | i was told that linus torvalds uses KDE and that we should all ditch Gnome |
| 05:14.06 | Jucato | btw, xcomposite is a part of X, right? |
| 05:14.06 | Sutoka | silly_girl22: yep, he said that |
| 05:14.12 | Jucato | silly_girl22: he's known to make statements like that |
| 05:14.12 | Sutoka | Jucato: yep, been for a while now |
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| 05:14.17 | Sutoka | Jucato: since Xorg 6.8.2 |
| 05:14.30 | Jucato | Sutoka: ah I thought it was something like xcompmgr or kompmgr |
| 05:14.48 | Sutoka | Jucato: xcompmgr/kompmgr use XComposite for compositing |
| 05:14.54 | Endler | Speaking of X, what are the advantages of 7.1 over 6.9/7.0? |
| 05:15.02 | Shirakawasuna | silly_girl22: no need to listen to Linus ;) |
| 05:15.11 | Sutoka | Jucato: also Compiz/Beryl/KWin-Composite/Metacity use GL accelerated XComposite for their nifty effects |
| 05:15.16 | Jucato | hm.. is X.org the slowest developing component of the Linux (the OS)? |
| 05:15.20 | Shirakawasuna | he's more entertaining than anything...any individual developer/project leader making blanket statements is |
| 05:15.35 | Jucato | but of course, he's right about just using KDE. lol |
| 05:15.37 | Jucato | j/k |
| 05:15.38 | Sutoka | Jucato: its developing quite fast now-a-days, since XFree was killed |
| 05:15.40 | Shirakawasuna | Jucato: slowest developing? |
| 05:15.51 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: just asking/wondering. |
| 05:15.56 | Jucato | ah |
| 05:16.03 | Shirakawasuna | 1) 'linux is just a kernel' |
| 05:16.15 | Jucato | I mean, how many months passed between 6.9/7.0 and 7.1 |
| 05:16.18 | Sutoka | Jucato: during the XFree86 days it WASNT being developed (except for incredibly minor bug fixes every now and then) |
| 05:16.19 | Shirakawasuna | in other words the free software associated with it is not really part or not part of linux |
| 05:16.23 | Sutoka | 6 |
| 05:16.31 | Sutoka | Xorg 7.2 is approaching |
| 05:16.35 | Shirakawasuna | so you couldn't say KDE is part of linux but some random little app designed for it isn't |
| 05:16.42 | tvtoon | Thanks for making it clear Shirakawasuna :X.. |
| 05:16.42 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: I qualified it with "the OS", not the kernel |
| 05:16.50 | Jucato | I should have just said GNU/Linux then? |
| 05:17.02 | Endler | Maybe so, but GNU/Linux is too long winded, and Linux is short for GNU/Linux--I don't really care about the ego thing and who gets credit. |
| 05:17.02 | Sutoka | Jucato: to make the annoying people happy, yes |
| 05:17.13 | Jucato | heh ok |
| 05:17.29 | Shirakawasuna | my point is 'linux' isn't as concrete a thing as that, imo |
| 05:17.39 | Shirakawasuna | it certainly isn't the same between distros |
| 05:17.45 | tvtoon | It is not a matter of credit, it is a matter of freedom :D |
| 05:17.48 | Shirakawasuna | perhaps you mean slowest-moving linux project :) |
| 05:17.48 | Jucato | I use the word Linux to refer to both, but I personally know the contribution of the GNU project |
| 05:17.55 | Shirakawasuna | *popular* linux project |
| 05:17.55 | Sutoka | Xorg 7.2 will include some hotplug support (YAY), the X input redirection extension (to allow transformed windows to be able to get mouse input, useful for beryl/kwin-composite), and lots of other stuff |
| 05:18.20 | Jucato | tvtoon: does that include the freedom to refer to "Linux" both as a kernel and as an OS? :) |
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| 05:18.23 | qupada | Sutoka: more importantly it's due out when? |
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| 05:18.48 | Sutoka | qupada: i don't think its more than a few months away, i really don't remember though, xorg.freedesktop.org may say |
| 05:18.58 | Jucato | what I'd love to happen in X.org is the ability to switch to a default/failsafe driver (like vesa?) when the current driver doesn't work |
| 05:18.59 | tvtoon | no, Jucato... Doing so, you are taking the freedom from milions of developers :D |
| 05:19.10 | Jucato | tvtoon: er... nvm :) |
| 05:19.12 | Sutoka | Xorg 7.1 + beta nVidia drivers + Beryl = GL composite fun |
| 05:19.23 | qupada | http://wiki.x.org/wiki/ReleaseSchedule |
| 05:19.30 | qupada | november 17 |
| 05:19.34 | Jucato | nice |
| 05:19.34 | qupada | mark it in your calendar |
| 05:19.35 | Sutoka | Jucato: the added hotplug support is a step in that direction |
| 05:19.45 | Sutoka | something else happens november 17th... right? |
| 05:19.53 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: websvn.kde.org |
| 05:20.04 | Jucato | Oxygen ftw! ) |
| 05:20.09 | Jucato | oops, no eyes... :) |
| 05:20.10 | Endler | I'd be nice if ATI would work with 7.1 beta so they could release driver right after it's release, but I guess that's a pipe dream :) |
| 05:20.24 | silly_girl22 | how well is XGL and AIGLX working in KDE with Compiz? not good? |
| 05:20.42 | Shirakawasuna | Sutoka: hmm, any idea where it would be? |
| 05:20.44 | Jucato | Sutoka: what else happens on that date? |
| 05:20.47 | Renze | silly_girl22: it won't be fully supported until KDE4 |
| 05:20.52 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: playground I think |
| 05:21.01 | Sutoka | silly_girl22: AIGLX works well with KDE if you use the Beryl fork of Compiz (compiz wasn't very happy about accepting patches that removed unnecissary gnome dependencies IIRC) |
| 05:21.07 | silly_girl22 | sorry, then ill probably stick with gnome for a little while |
| 05:21.09 | Sutoka | Jucato: i can't remember.... |
| 05:21.14 | Jucato | oh ok |
| 05:21.30 | Renze | silly_girl22: you need useless eye-candy? ;) |
| 05:21.32 | Sutoka | silly_girl22: Beryl works fine with KDE |
| 05:21.43 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/ afaik |
| 05:21.46 | silly_girl22 | whats Beryl and whats the difference? |
| 05:21.49 | Endler | Does fglrx work with Beryl? |
| 05:21.50 | qupada | silly_girl22: if you can tolerate things being a little rough around the edges and can get the 'emerald' window manager to behave with beryl and kde, then it works. if for some reason you can't get emerald to do anything (doesn't on my system, can't figure it out), then you get left with no window decorations so it might as well not work at all |
| 05:21.50 | Sutoka | silly_girl22: it has far more features than Compiz, and has support for Xinerama setups |
| 05:22.00 | Renze | silly_girl22: beryl is compiz without the need for gnome |
| 05:22.12 | Jucato | Renze: yay that sounds great! lol |
| 05:22.20 | Shirakawasuna | Jucato: yep, found it :) |
| 05:22.48 | Sutoka | silly_girl22: several people started making plugins and patches for Compiz, but the single compiz dev often wasn't able to be found to send them to, so they just decided to fork after a while, it has its own configuration system (instead of the broken gconf one in Compiz), better window decoration support, and more plugins |
| 05:23.56 | Jucato | er.. going away... |
| 05:24.52 | h36sa_ | is there an easy way to mount an smb share in kde 3.5? |
| 05:25.08 | Renze | just use smb:/ kioslave and you won't need to mount it |
| 05:25.18 | h36sa_ | I am connected to smb://whatever but I need to mount it somewhere to add music to amarok's library |
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| 05:25.59 | silly_girl22 | how long does it take a KDE user to fill up a 320 gb sata2 seagate? |
| 05:26.13 | Sutoka | silly_girl22: as long as anyone else? what do you mean? |
| 05:26.16 | h36sa_ | there isn't a browse button :P only a tree view starting at / |
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| 05:26.33 | silly_girl22 | i just downloaded about 2 gigabytes in a short time with KTorrent |
| 05:26.40 | h36sa_ | lol what a ridiculous question |
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| 05:27.01 | Sutoka | h36sa_: Amarok needs seek, which (unfortunately) in kde3 doesn't support it except for the local filesystem, KDE4 has already fixed that issue |
| 05:27.11 | Sutoka | silly_girl22: KTorrent is quite a nice app |
| 05:27.23 | Sutoka | h36sa_: i would say it was silly ;-) |
| 05:27.32 | Endler | Does anyone know where I can get keyboard def for a microsoft multimedia keyboard to drop into xorg.conf to define the multimedia buttons so I don't have to map them out myself using xev. someboy must have alread done this. |
| 05:27.58 | Endler | I would never use them myself, but know someone who thinks they are cool |
| 05:28.03 | Endler | and misses them from Windows. |
| 05:28.12 | Renze | Endler: someone needs a lart :) |
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| 05:28.31 | qupada | Endler: kde's control module has a 'close enough' one |
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| 05:29.15 | Endler | I've never looked at it. I'll check it out. |
| 05:29.24 | h36sa_ | Sutoka: iirc if you mounted it somewhere it would work |
| 05:29.24 | h36sa_ | I'm pretty sure I had that setup before |
| 05:30.44 | Ardonik | Renze: "lart", not "fart" |
| 05:31.23 | Renze | pardon me for being rude, it was not me, it was my food... |
| 05:31.44 | Shirakawasuna | ooh |
| 05:31.47 | Shirakawasuna | sweet new k3b icon |
| 05:31.50 | Shirakawasuna | http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/theme/svg/apps/k3b.svg?rev=588362 |
| 05:32.31 | silly_girl22 | where can i see some beryln pictures with kde? |
| 05:32.35 | silly_girl22 | beryl |
| 05:32.38 | Renze | reminds me of a Nintendo Gamecube, or a Mac Cube :) |
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| 05:37.06 | shinjii_ | whats the KDE mailing list to sed bugs 2 ? |
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| 05:38.13 | Renze | shinjii_: why not just use bugs.kde.org ? |
| 05:38.15 | grepper | http://bugs.kde.org/ |
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| 05:59.45 | Endler | - |
| 05:59.59 | Renze | · |
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| 06:00.25 | Q-collective | : |
| 06:00.27 | qupada | ¿ |
| 06:00.46 | Renze | ÷ |
| 06:00.52 | Endler | Just testing something. :) anyone konw Morris code? |
| 06:00.59 | Renze | Morse? |
| 06:01.11 | Renze | ···---··· |
| 06:01.15 | Endler | Um, that's what I said, isn't it, lol |
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| 06:01.20 | Q-collective | no |
| 06:01.24 | Atoms | .-.. --- .-.. |
| 06:01.30 | Q-collective | Morris != Morse |
| 06:01.32 | Q-collective | duh? |
| 06:01.33 | Q-collective | :) |
| 06:01.59 | Endler | That's what I said, Morse. Umm, yeah... That's right :) |
| 06:02.40 | Endler | That's my story and I'm sticking to it. It's not like there's a paper trail or anything, lol. |
| 06:02.41 | Q-collective | my Morse doesn't go any further then ...---... and ...--... |
| 06:02.43 | Q-collective | :> |
| 06:02.51 | Renze | SOS and SMS |
| 06:02.55 | Q-collective | yup |
| 06:03.03 | Endler | It will only be searchable on google for all eternity :)) |
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| 06:05.25 | Endler | So when you're an old man/women you can google and find every dumbass mistake you've ever made in freenode chat in your whole life. :) |
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| 06:05.52 | Renze | I've found some very old usenet posts I made many many MANY years ago via google :) |
| 06:06.26 | Renze | as far back as 1990 |
| 06:06.27 | Endler | Kind of gives you pause, doesn't it? |
| 06:06.30 | Shirakawasuna | it...is...time...to write! |
| 06:06.33 | Shirakawasuna | *the pain* |
| 06:07.21 | Endler | At least I don't have a troll record. |
| 06:08.45 | Shirakawasuna | hmm, spellcheck in kword doesn't seem to be working |
| 06:09.09 | Shirakawasuna | I briefly remember some message from the kword emerge about spellcheck :/ |
| 06:09.25 | Endler | I checked out kword again, and it still sucks. |
| 06:09.52 | Renze | I quite like kword... does what I need, and doesn't take half an hour to load :) |
| 06:09.53 | Endler | It loads pretty fast though. |
| 06:10.04 | Shirakawasuna | kword's fine for me |
| 06:10.14 | Shirakawasuna | now kspread, that's a different story |
| 06:10.20 | Shirakawasuna | OOo calc isn't fantastic either |
| 06:10.31 | oceanstream | Is there a replacement panel for kde that supports true transparency? |
| 06:10.47 | Renze | only kxdocker so far, I believe |
| 06:11.06 | oceanstream | Will that allow me to have a truely transparent kicker? |
| 06:11.11 | oceanstream | If so, I need it. Now ! :) |
| 06:11.15 | Endler | ooCalc does a pretty good job of importing Excel sheets. |
| 06:11.26 | Renze | no, it will allow you to have a truly transparent kxdocker |
| 06:11.42 | oceanstream | I like the kicker and all, but I want the icons / clock to just appear to float over the programs that are running. |
| 06:11.45 | Renze | kicker won't support true transparency until kde4 |
| 06:11.58 | oceanstream | I see. |
| 06:12.02 | oceanstream | That's a ways away, isn't it? |
| 06:12.10 | Renze | next year |
| 06:12.22 | benJIman | Q3 2k7 perhaps. |
| 06:14.25 | oceanstream | hmm. |
| 06:15.20 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: does spell checking work for you? |
| 06:15.23 | oceanstream | I don't know the rules of open source, I can modify the kicker I use, so long as I dont redistribute it claiming it's all new, all my code, right? |
| 06:15.39 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: I don't need spellchecking... I'm a walking dictionary :D |
| 06:16.09 | Shirakawasuna | you can still make typos ;) |
| 06:16.09 | benJIman | oceanstream: the existing code remains under the copyright of those who wrote it originally |
| 06:16.17 | Shirakawasuna | do you have it disabled? |
| 06:16.22 | Shirakawasuna | I want to see if you have the ispell package |
| 06:16.24 | Endler | My fingers have a mind of their own. |
| 06:16.24 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: yup |
| 06:16.29 | Shirakawasuna | hrm |
| 06:16.37 | Renze | I don't have koffice 1.6 yet |
| 06:16.41 | benJIman | oceanstream: The only thing that allows you to redistribute it is the GPL. (if it's licenced under the GPL) |
| 06:16.44 | Shirakawasuna | I didn't have it by default but control panel > kde components > spell checker wants to use 'ispell default' |
| 06:16.50 | benJIman | oceanstream: so you can't claim it's all copyright you. |
| 06:16.54 | Renze | I have ispell |
| 06:17.26 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: weird |
| 06:17.32 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: what depends on it? |
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| 06:17.38 | intrade | you peeps use sux? |
| 06:17.46 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: wb |
| 06:17.47 | Renze | wtf is sux? |
| 06:17.52 | benJIman | Renze: su for x |
| 06:17.55 | intrade | su with x |
| 06:17.56 | Renze | hi tim |
| 06:17.57 | Endler | A script wrapper for su |
| 06:18.01 | benJIman | intrade: no I use kdesu |
| 06:18.04 | Renze | no, I use kdesu |
| 06:18.04 | Endler | to run X programs |
| 06:18.11 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: how was your holiday :-) |
| 06:18.19 | Shirakawasuna | hrm |
| 06:18.31 | Renze | it wasn't a holiday... I had parents to put up with |
| 06:18.31 | Shirakawasuna | I just wrote loksf and ran the spellchecker - nothing happens when I click 'spell check' :/ |
| 06:18.39 | intrade | ux" is (#1) use sux instead of su, and (#2) 'sux' is included since BH6, for older versions 'apt-get update && apt-get install sux' |
| 06:18.39 | oceanstream | benJIman: Well, I don't particularily care to redistribute it... I'm planning to modify the kicker applet such that when transparency is enabled instead of using a mapping of the background image it will use whatever mechanism is used for real trasnparency. :) |
| 06:18.42 | AegeanLinux|ALi | heh... congrats :-) |
| 06:18.53 | Renze | wtf is apt? :) |
| 06:18.59 | intrade | debian lol |
| 06:18.59 | Shirakawasuna | hmm, says there's no language dictionaries for en_US |
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| 06:19.07 | Renze | wtf is debian? :) |
| 06:19.16 | oceanstream | benJIman: Obviously this isn't going to be done right know, I have a lot of learning to do first. :) |
| 06:19.19 | AegeanLinux|ALi | it is not as good as Aegean :-P |
| 06:19.20 | intrade | kanotix rools |
| 06:19.48 | Endler | Funny thing about KDE is that sometimes when you use kdesu program, child programs it launched (ie external viewers) lauch with root privs and sometimes you get an error |
| 06:19.51 | benJIman | oceanstream: You have the freedom to modify it as you wish, but not to claim you own the copyright to stuff you don't |
| 06:19.51 | Renze | gentoo 0wnz j00 |
| 06:19.55 | Shirakawasuna | could someone tell me what their options for kcontrol > kde components > spell checker > dictionary are? |
| 06:19.56 | Endler | But it is very unpredictable |
| 06:20.15 | benJIman | and you can redistribute your modified version, as long as it is in complaince with the GPL |
| 06:20.22 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: you l33t d(_)d3 |
| 06:20.23 | oceanstream | Excellent! |
| 06:20.37 | Endler | kdeinit errors |
| 06:20.40 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: I'm too old to understand what you just typed :D |
| 06:20.45 | oceanstream | I'm going to start on that project soon, I think. |
| 06:20.45 | intrade | at least you know what konversation is :P |
| 06:21.07 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: I use a computer for other things then World of Warcraft :P |
| 06:21.23 | Renze | wtf is world of warcraft? :) |
| 06:21.23 | AegeanLinux|ALi | How people can play that I can _not_ understand ;=) |
| 06:21.33 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: you are not serious ... |
| 06:21.34 | AegeanLinux|ALi | :/ |
| 06:21.42 | Renze | no, I'm not serious :) |
| 06:21.54 | Renze | I don't have windows... anywhere... ever... |
| 06:22.03 | Renze | that includes wine and cedega |
| 06:22.18 | AegeanLinux|ALi | one word ... why ? |
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| 06:22.26 | Renze | the closest I get is using win32 codecs with xine and mplayer |
| 06:22.33 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: I don't like windows |
| 06:22.45 | AegeanLinux|ALi | meh. :-P |
| 06:23.05 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Windows is handy for somethings :/ |
| 06:23.13 | Renze | like viruses and spyware? |
| 06:23.31 | Renze | and gaping security holes? |
| 06:23.45 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Virus does not bite that hard with wine ;-) |
| 06:23.59 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: I have nothing to use wine with |
| 06:24.01 | intrade | yea i had vista on the other day |
| 06:24.09 | intrade | drink it |
| 06:24.24 | Renze | if I had some pinot noir, I would |
| 06:24.34 | AegeanLinux|ALi | and Linux has had it's own share of security probs. |
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| 06:24.48 | AegeanLinux|ALi | intrade: Vista is a toy |
| 06:24.50 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: but they're not "gaping", and they get fixed quickly |
| 06:24.51 | AegeanLinux|ALi | it is a game |
| 06:24.56 | intrade | vista is crap |
| 06:25.10 | intrade | it shit it self lol |
| 06:25.17 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: True, but it is not fair to say "Linux is 100% secure" |
| 06:25.25 | Renze | did I say that? |
| 06:25.27 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Vista has gone emo lol |
| 06:25.34 | Renze | nope, I didn't |
| 06:25.37 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: not really :/ |
| 06:26.06 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Now I feel leet, lololololololololol!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 l33+|)o0 |
| 06:26.32 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I like the new Oxygen icon theme for KDE 4. |
| 06:26.41 | Renze | so do I |
| 06:26.43 | intrade | so what you recon intel is leader now huh with cpu? |
| 06:26.57 | AegeanLinux|ALi | The artists working on it need a huge hit on the back for doing such a good job |
| 06:27.04 | AegeanLinux|ALi | intrade: they always were :-) |
| 06:27.09 | intrade | na |
| 06:27.29 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I said they always were :-P |
| 06:27.30 | intrade | befor amd was better |
| 06:28.07 | intrade | amd opteron dual core when intel didnt had duo |
| 06:28.30 | Renze | core2duo kicks amd's ass now, though |
| 06:28.32 | intrade | now new ams cant beat cuores |
| 06:28.40 | intrade | exactly |
| 06:28.50 | intrade | its what i just sayd |
| 06:29.04 | intrade | they are now leading again intel |
| 06:29.33 | intrade | i tinker with the idea of a duo e6600 |
| 06:29.47 | Renze | buy one for me while you're at it |
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| 06:29.51 | intrade | only got a duron here lol |
| 06:30.39 | intrade | shit i am at 98% of my data cap |
| 06:30.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | intrade: Intel 2xXeon 2.8GHz ^_^ |
| 06:30.51 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: No thanks ^_^ |
| 06:30.58 | intrade | yea 4 grand the cpu or something? |
| 06:31.07 | AegeanLinux|ALi | really ? |
| 06:31.21 | AegeanLinux|ALi | not here AFAIR ... |
| 06:31.21 | intrade | well the one i posted was 500 bux |
| 06:31.32 | intrade | where are yu? |
| 06:31.39 | Renze | he's an ocker |
| 06:31.42 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Intel Core2 Duo OC Combo - E6400 CPU with Gigabyte DS3, and Corsair PC-6400 2Gb RAM == $1185 |
| 06:31.48 | AegeanLinux|ALi | an ocker ? |
| 06:32.10 | AegeanLinux|ALi | hah! right :/ |
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| 06:32.33 | AegeanLinux|ALi | or Intel Core2 Duo Extreme Edition X6800 2.93Ghz (Conroe) Processor, Dual core LGA775 4mb cache, w/Intel Cooler == $1606 |
| 06:32.47 | intrade | is that nz prizes? |
| 06:32.53 | Renze | AU$ |
| 06:32.55 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Australian |
| 06:32.57 | intrade | ok |
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| 06:33.10 | Renze | ockerbucks |
| 06:33.31 | intrade | see thats 2 grand nz |
| 06:34.00 | Shirakawasuna | ok, think I figured it out |
| 06:34.02 | Renze | cheaper to fly to Malaysia and buy them there |
| 06:34.18 | intrade | probably Renze |
| 06:34.20 | Shirakawasuna | I need >=aspell-en-6 |
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| 06:34.30 | Shirakawasuna | then *bam*, fixed (hopefully) |
| 06:34.36 | AegeanLinux|ALi | !convert aud nzd $1606 |
| 06:34.38 | AegeanBot | AegeanLinux|ALi: (convert [<number>] <currency1> [to] <currency2>) -- Converts from <currency1> to <currency2>. If number isn't given, it defaults to 1. |
| 06:34.49 | AegeanLinux|ALi | !convert $1606 aud nzd |
| 06:34.50 | AegeanBot | AegeanLinux|ALi: (convert [<number>] <currency1> [to] <currency2>) -- Converts from <currency1> to <currency2>. If number isn't given, it defaults to 1. |
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| 06:34.56 | AegeanLinux|ALi | !convert 1606 aud nzd |
| 06:35.01 | AegeanBot | AegeanLinux|ALi: 1606.00 aud = 1830.20 nzd |
| 06:35.06 | AegeanLinux|ALi | No it is not! |
| 06:35.10 | AegeanLinux|ALi | !part |
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| 06:35.19 | Renze | bots suck :) |
| 06:35.32 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: not as much as .... sheep |
| 06:35.56 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: You don't have McFlash, do you ? |
| 06:36.02 | Renze | jealousy will get you nowhere :) |
| 06:36.07 | Renze | McFlash? |
| 06:36.09 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Adobe Flash just doesn't roll off the tounge anymore |
| 06:36.19 | AegeanLinux|ALi | McRomedia Flash |
| 06:36.21 | AegeanLinux|ALi | :-P |
| 06:36.33 | Renze | I have flash 7... not flash 9 beta yet |
| 06:36.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | you know, as in McDonalds |
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| 06:36.54 | Renze | I don't eat plastic food |
| 06:36.59 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: is flash 9 beta out for Linux ? |
| 06:37.02 | Renze | yes |
| 06:37.10 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ARGH! |
| 06:37.12 | Renze | it's already in portage, apparently |
| 06:37.18 | AegeanLinux|ALi | WOW! You do not know how long I have waited |
| 06:37.24 | AegeanLinux|ALi | OM goosh |
| 06:37.27 | intrade | ok i go wotch tv my data cap is almost up see yas |
| 06:37.27 | Shirakawasuna | wha? |
| 06:37.28 | Renze | three weeks? |
| 06:37.33 | Shirakawasuna | flash beta! |
| 06:37.42 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Shirakawasuna: ? |
| 06:37.59 | AegeanLinux|ALi | have you been waiting too |
| 06:38.24 | Shirakawasuna | I think lots of people have |
| 06:38.26 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: Find a sheep :-P |
| 06:38.40 | Shirakawasuna | though I don't see it in portage atm |
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| 06:38.45 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: not in the mood ;P |
| 06:38.56 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: probably hardmasked |
| 06:38.56 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: so you agree that you would |
| 06:39.04 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: eix isn't showing it |
| 06:39.04 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: no, I don't agree |
| 06:39.10 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: maybe it *just* got added? |
| 06:39.15 | AegeanLinux|ALi | thats what they all say o.O |
| 06:39.21 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: it got added a number of hours ago |
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| 06:39.25 | Shirakawasuna | ah, ok |
| 06:39.34 | Renze | a small number |
| 06:39.41 | Shirakawasuna | I sync once a day tops and that's only if an update I dub 'cool' is available |
| 06:39.45 | Shirakawasuna | like today's amarok |
| 06:39.52 | Renze | I sync via cron at 3:15am :) |
| 06:40.01 | Shirakawasuna | gah, aspell compile is failing >_< |
| 06:40.18 | AegeanLinux|ALi | >> http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/ |
| 06:40.24 | AegeanLinux|ALi | there it is ^_^ |
| 06:40.46 | shadok | http://packages.gentoo.org/ebuilds/?netscape-flash-9.0.21.55 |
| 06:41.08 | AegeanLinux|ALi | "Now you can develop and test on your Linux machine. Use the free Adobe Flex 2 SDK , which includes the command-line compiler to develop and deploy Flex-based applications entirely on Linux machines." |
| 06:41.17 | AegeanLinux|ALi | wow... |
| 06:41.24 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Now I am exited |
| 06:41.33 | Renze | or excited :D |
| 06:41.42 | AegeanLinux|ALi | or what you said ;) |
| 06:41.54 | AegeanLinux|ALi | no more sites telling me that I can not go into a site because I have an old flash |
| 06:42.04 | Renze | you're only exited when the alien bursts through your ribcage :D |
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| 06:42.11 | AegeanLinux|ALi | and me being all like "n00b, I got the latest bling bling" |
| 06:42.29 | Shirakawasuna | hehe |
| 06:42.36 | Shirakawasuna | indeed |
| 06:42.40 | AegeanLinux|ALi | "In other news, a beta of Flash Player for Windows Vista is available for download and testing." |
| 06:42.45 | AegeanLinux|ALi | heh, not like they needed it |
| 06:42.52 | Shirakawasuna | I'll just be happy that the audio sync bug is gone |
| 06:42.57 | Shirakawasuna | that annoys that crap out of me |
| 06:42.57 | Renze | it is |
| 06:43.07 | Renze | A/V is in sync now, apparently |
| 06:43.07 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ya-ha |
| 06:43.16 | AegeanLinux|ALi | youtube was fine for me though |
| 06:43.24 | Shirakawasuna | yay for strongbad emails that are funnier due to timing again! |
| 06:43.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | "The final version of Adobe Flash Player 9 for Linux is expected in early 2007." |
| 06:44.07 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: noticed any bugs? |
| 06:44.20 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze doesn't have it yet |
| 06:44.23 | Renze | I don't have it yet |
| 06:44.29 | AegeanLinux|ALi | see ^_^ |
| 06:44.36 | Shirakawasuna | ah |
| 06:44.41 | Shirakawasuna | I'm a gettin' it |
| 06:44.53 | Renze | I am rather ambivalent about flash at the best of times |
| 06:44.59 | AegeanLinux|ALi | "Flash Player 9 (formerly Flash Player 8.5)" <=== are we being put off by Adobe, getting something _still_ old ? |
| 06:45.06 | Shirakawasuna | obviously you don't watch youtube/strongbad :) |
| 06:45.14 | Shirakawasuna | where do you get your daily show fix? |
| 06:45.16 | Shirakawasuna | ;) |
| 06:45.33 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Shirakawasuna: most people have better things to do with thier bandwidth ^_^ |
| 06:45.33 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanLinux|ALi: no |
| 06:46.41 | Shirakawasuna | bah, this is driving me crazy |
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| 06:46.45 | Shirakawasuna | I'll just use OOo |
| 06:46.48 | Shirakawasuna | *sigh* |
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| 06:53.13 | AegeanLinux|ALi | almost updated ... exiting ^_^ |
| 06:55.35 | AegeanLinux|ALi | new McFlash works a bloody treat |
| 06:56.47 | Renze | ice cream cold-burned my tongue... ow |
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| 06:57.23 | AegeanLinux|ALi | lmao ... not |
| 06:59.30 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: just for the record, how do you spell scream ? |
| 06:59.41 | Renze | scream |
| 06:59.42 | AegeanLinux|ALi | 'cause you always seem to rip me off about it. |
| 06:59.45 | AegeanLinux|ALi | not fair. |
| 06:59.59 | ALi_Away | seriosly, I am getting dinner |
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| 07:01.53 | Shirakawasuna | aww, caught a bug :) |
| 07:01.58 | Shirakawasuna | I suppose that's why it's hard masked ;) |
| 07:02.03 | ALi_Away | Shirakawasuna: ... |
| 07:02.06 | ALi_Away | Firefox crash ? |
| 07:02.10 | Shirakawasuna | no |
| 07:02.21 | ALi_Away | so not my bug either :/ |
| 07:02.24 | Shirakawasuna | just a audio loop thing |
| 07:02.32 | Shirakawasuna | in konqueror |
| 07:02.55 | Shirakawasuna | I'm talking about flash, btw |
| 07:03.01 | ALi_Away | I know, btw ^_^ |
| 07:05.05 | Shirakawasuna | thought you might be using firefox-2.0 :) |
| 07:06.13 | ALi_Away | Shirakawasuna: I am ^_^ |
| 07:06.24 | ALi_Away | Rc3 too ;-) |
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| 07:06.47 | ALi_Away | see ==> http://tim.aegeanlinux.be/pix/my_desktop4.png |
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| 07:08.17 | Shirakawasuna | hehe |
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| 07:08.32 | Shirakawasuna | ah, ALi_Away is Aegean_Linux ;) |
| 07:08.36 | Shirakawasuna | never realized that |
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| 07:08.55 | Shirakawasuna | is that emerald/beryl/whatever? |
| 07:09.21 | Shirakawasuna | oh, and what are the cool new features in firefox? |
| 07:09.32 | Shirakawasuna | I've heard there's a lot but upon reading them they don't really seem like things I'd use |
| 07:09.50 | Renze | I suspect it is dekorator |
| 07:10.18 | ALi_Away | Shirakawasuna: they are all cool |
| 07:10.21 | ALi_Away | really stable |
| 07:10.27 | ALi_Away | and Renze is right :-) |
| 07:10.33 | ALi_Away | how cool is http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/animator |
| 07:10.34 | ALi_Away | ? |
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| 07:11.31 | Shirakawasuna | ah, dekorator. I was hoping it was native :/ |
| 07:11.47 | Shirakawasuna | qt is compiling so we'll see how smooth it is |
| 07:11.56 | Shirakawasuna | bah, too slow |
| 07:12.00 | Shirakawasuna | I'll wait 'til qt's done |
| 07:12.01 | Shirakawasuna | and kdelibs |
| 07:12.11 | Shirakawasuna | actually meh, I'll do those later :) |
| 07:13.53 | ALi_Away | dekorator is native :/ |
| 07:14.33 | Shirakawasuna | hehe, good animation :) |
| 07:15.05 | Renze | no, dekorator is a pixmap engine, and pixmaps are eeevil |
| 07:15.07 | Shirakawasuna | I'm pretty happy w/ my cranberry red color scheme + plastik, actually |
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| 07:15.50 | ALi_Away | Renze: not as evil as sheep with guns ^_^ |
| 07:16.21 | Renze | You've obviously not seen any of Peter Jackson's early films :) |
| 07:16.25 | ALi_Away | OK, now I am really going to go and get dinner ^_^ |
| 07:16.49 | ALi_Away | Jerry Bruckhimer all the way mate ;) |
| 07:16.56 | ALi_Away | he got it right with Joey |
| 07:16.57 | Renze | bleh |
| 07:17.00 | ALi_Away | gtg, hungry |
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| 07:20.12 | Shirakawasuna | peter jackson's early films? |
| 07:20.43 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: yes, before he was famous |
| 07:21.01 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: most wouldn't have existed outside of New Zealand |
| 07:21.47 | Renze | sheep being blown up with rocket propelled grenades, and stuff like that |
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| 07:23.14 | Shirakawasuna | hahaha |
| 07:23.35 | Renze | he made splatter films when he started :D |
| 07:23.50 | Shirakawasuna | sweet |
| 07:24.09 | Renze | Bad Taste... Braindead... Meet the Feebles... |
| 07:24.11 | Shirakawasuna | any titles? I'm checking out imdb and I wonder if I'll be able to get them with my future netflix account |
| 07:24.17 | Shirakawasuna | sweet |
| 07:24.28 | Renze | Meet the Feebles is like X-rated Muppets |
| 07:24.39 | Q-collective | lol |
| 07:25.01 | Q-collective | muppetporn, the idea alone is amusing :) |
| 07:25.17 | Renze | it's not porn... just totally fucked up :) |
| 07:25.50 | Renze | baby chicken with an elephant's head... and the elephant saying "come on... anybody can see it's not mine!" |
| 07:26.03 | Shirakawasuna | ha, Bad Taste was banned in Australia |
| 07:26.31 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 07:26.35 | Renze | Bad Taste was film #1, with almost no budget and filmed on 8mm |
| 07:27.17 | qupada | i haven't seen meet the feebles in it's entirety, bad taste and braindead are awesome though |
| 07:27.19 | Renze | or was it 25mm |
| 07:27.26 | qupada | i think 8mm is likely |
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| 07:33.40 | oceanstream | hum, I can't seem to do anything with cdroms... permissions are (I think) configured correctly... |
| 07:33.58 | oceanstream | But if I pop in a cdrom kde refuses to mount it or let me view the contents. :/ |
| 07:34.16 | Renze | is your user in an appropriate group? |
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| 07:34.29 | oceanstream | Sadly, yes. |
| 07:34.35 | oceanstream | Which is what creates so much frustration :/ |
| 07:35.03 | Renze | do you have pmount installed? |
| 07:35.06 | oceanstream | scratch that, I guess it was a bug with guitar magazine cds. |
| 07:35.15 | oceanstream | I put in the cd from my calculus text book and it worked just fine. |
| 07:35.36 | oceanstream | Apparently an enhanced cd is a problem with kde's mount tool. |
| 07:35.53 | oceanstream | It's reading them as audio cds only, not as data discs - sorry, my mistake. |
| 07:35.57 | Renze | they will only mount if the data track is track 1 |
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| 07:36.22 | qupada | yeah, there are two kinds of mixed mode cds |
| 07:36.41 | qupada | the data track is track 1 variety, and the data track is track n variety |
| 07:37.02 | oceanstream | Yeah, I think these are track n. |
| 07:37.57 | oceanstream | Now, to figure out wine so that I can get the calculus tools to work :) |
| 07:38.21 | qupada | heh. i remember trying to get software that came with textbooks to run |
| 07:38.37 | oceanstream | Sounds like a tedious process. |
| 07:38.47 | qupada | it is |
| 07:38.49 | oceanstream | wine has a command similar to regedit, correct? |
| 07:38.54 | oceanstream | or a configuration command? |
| 07:38.59 | qupada | yeah |
| 07:39.15 | qupada | it has a workalike of windows' own regedit |
| 07:39.47 | oceanstream | huh... wine doesn't seem to like my fonts, either. |
| 07:39.58 | oceanstream | cd .. |
| 07:39.59 | oceanstream | err. |
| 07:40.00 | oceanstream | haah |
| 07:40.23 | Renze | rm -rf / |
| 07:41.00 | oceanstream | uhoh. my bitchx is set to copy/paste every line typed in to #kde and run it at the prompt. pkill rm |
| 07:41.00 | oceanstream | :) |
| 07:41.08 | Q-collective | lol |
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| 07:43.32 | SAS_Spidey01 | lol |
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| 07:43.44 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: you bastard |
| 07:43.48 | Shirakawasuna | *punch* |
| 07:44.02 | Renze | *wedgie* |
| 07:46.06 | Renze | that's gotta hurt |
| 07:46.42 | SAS_Spidey01 | Yeah, those Horents Nests sting grenades are supposed to hurt :-) |
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| 07:54.19 | SAS_Spidey01 | Kopete is an IRC Client too? |
| 07:54.34 | Renze | yes |
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| 07:54.42 | Renze | but it's not 100% functional |
| 07:54.48 | Renze | no /ignore, for example |
| 07:54.51 | Q-collective | :o |
| 07:54.58 | Q-collective | Konversation ++ |
| 07:54.59 | SAS_Spidey01 | MMm |
| 07:55.45 | qupada | like for that troll earlier. /ignore is essential |
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| 07:57.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | Whats the diffrence between a troll and a Ox ? |
| 07:57.20 | Renze | ? |
| 07:57.27 | qupada | is this a joke? |
| 07:57.29 | SAS_Spidey01 | The Ox is just a moron but the Troll is annoying |
| 07:57.33 | oceanstream | one has a before it and the other actually has an. |
| 07:57.35 | oceanstream | ;) |
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| 07:57.59 | Renze | um... |
| 07:58.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | I don't actually think about grammer when I'm working on a project |
| 07:58.31 | oceanstream | Sorry, it's 2am here... |
| 07:58.45 | Renze | 9pm here |
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| 07:58.47 | qupada | SAS_Spidey01: hot spelling tip, 'grammar' has no 'e' :D |
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| 07:59.17 | SAS_Spidey01 | it's about 0400 local here, should be around 0800 GMT |
| 07:59.18 | AegeanLinux|ALi | 7:59 am here |
| 07:59.35 | AegeanLinux|ALi | as per my KDE clock, but it is abit off :/ |
| 07:59.36 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: am? |
| 07:59.50 | oceanstream | My clock says five to two. |
| 07:59.50 | qupada | AegeanLinux|ALi: is australia suffering massive continental drift again? |
| 07:59.51 | AegeanLinux|ALi | so give it more 6:00 pm |
| 07:59.56 | Renze | Thu Oct 19 20:59:08 NZDT 2006 |
| 07:59.57 | oceanstream | Whoever I can give a pat on the back to for the "Fuzzy clock" feature, they deserve HUGE kudos. |
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| 08:00.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | work is in < 6 hours for me :@ |
| 08:00.11 | oceanstream | It's the little things that count for me. :) |
| 08:00.20 | Renze | SAS_Spidey01: caffeine is your friend |
| 08:00.22 | qupada | it needs one more fuzziness setting though |
| 08:00.45 | qupada | somewhere between the quarter hour precision and the morning/midday/afternoon/evening/night one |
| 08:00.55 | AegeanLinux|ALi | qupada: what, you want it to only say "two" or "two thirty" :=P |
| 08:00.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | Renze, I've been a Decaff kid all me life - High Surgar drinks for me ! |
| 08:01.12 | qupada | AegeanLinux|ALi: accurate to the hour would be good |
| 08:01.18 | Renze | SAS_Spidey01: combine sugar and caffeine, and you'll be bouncing off the walls :D |
| 08:01.26 | SAS_Spidey01 | heheheh |
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| 08:01.37 | qupada | "2 o'clock" covers the range of 1:30:00 - 2:29:59 |
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| 08:02.01 | Renze | <-- old fart |
| 08:02.07 | AegeanLinux|ALi | moe-kay then qupada, whatever you say *_* |
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| 08:02.17 | qupada | i would use the analog one, but it's a bit hard to read when you have your taskbar on 24px |
| 08:02.25 | Renze | I use styleclock |
| 08:02.25 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: you are just like an old wine ... you get better with age ^_^ |
| 08:02.38 | qupada | not necessarily |
| 08:02.48 | qupada | if the seal is broken, old wine quickly turns into vinegar |
| 08:02.50 | Renze | some wines turn into vinegar |
| 08:02.54 | SAS_Spidey01 | Analog clocks are nice but Digital for me |
| 08:03.14 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: and you will put yourself down by saying you turned Vinegar ? |
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| 08:03.20 | Renze | of course |
| 08:03.27 | SAS_Spidey01 | unless I find a clock louder then 90db |
| 08:03.37 | qupada | i can't stand wine. why anyone would want to drink rotten grape juice is beyond me |
| 08:03.53 | AegeanLinux|ALi | wine is good, lets me not have to reboot ^_^ |
| 08:04.03 | Renze | bourbon... |
| 08:04.08 | AegeanLinux|ALi | mmmm, Midori and "Irish Creme" |
| 08:04.14 | Renze | single malt scotch whiskey |
| 08:04.17 | SAS_Spidey01 | yall are making me *hungry* |
| 08:04.19 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Baileys.... yumm |
| 08:04.26 | qupada | i could go for a scotch |
| 08:04.38 | Renze | qupada: buy me one too |
| 08:04.46 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: I would love to see what your house is like ^_^ |
| 08:04.57 | qupada | Renze: heh, i'll be in wellington in just under 3 weeks |
| 08:04.58 | Renze | it's not my house... it's a rental property |
| 08:05.15 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: point being .... :=D |
| 08:05.27 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: there are three other slobs living here :D |
| 08:05.49 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: point being ... :=) |
| 08:05.59 | Renze | it's a mess |
| 08:06.15 | AegeanLinux|ALi | don't make me write it again :-/ |
| 08:06.59 | qupada | rofl, have you read the uncyclopedia article on australia? "Australia has several states as well as the Fostern Territory. these are: Southern Territory / Tascademania / New South Ireland / Tram land / Terra Australis / Queen's Territory / New Zealand... Australia's favourite state, however, is intoxication." |
| 08:07.03 | Renze | http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=homehn3.jpg |
| 08:07.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | Well, heh I've got my home work done but CUPS never got setup so I can't print it till tomorrow ! ha |
| 08:07.19 | AegeanLinux|ALi | qupada: lol, sounds good |
| 08:07.54 | AegeanLinux|ALi | looks nice Renze, I am comming over next year when I finish my tests for this year, KK :-) |
| 08:08.08 | Renze | ooookay... :) |
| 08:08.21 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Anything you want me to bring with :? |
| 08:08.29 | Renze | lots of alcohol |
| 08:08.39 | AegeanLinux|ALi | a-ha, favorite brands ? |
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| 08:08.55 | AegeanLinux|ALi | lol, qupada "US Border Patrol ready to catch 300 millionth immigrant" |
| 08:09.03 | Renze | single malt scotch whiskey :) |
| 08:09.03 | AegeanLinux|ALi | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:Saddam_Hussein_calls_for_united_Iraq |
| 08:09.08 | qupada | and bombay sapphire gin |
| 08:09.22 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: and you do not like Bailey's ? |
| 08:09.40 | Renze | Baileys is OK, but it takes to long to get drunk on that stuff |
| 08:09.47 | Renze | too* |
| 08:09.50 | qupada | yeah, it's only like 17% |
| 08:10.00 | Renze | 40% and up only please |
| 08:10.00 | AegeanLinux|ALi | 20% ... |
| 08:10.01 | qupada | need the whole bottle, and that shit's expensive |
| 08:10.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | well, at a local supplier of Reseraunts, you can get botals with 75% |
| 08:10.45 | Renze | Glen Morengey would be great |
| 08:10.52 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I will bring one or two of them ^_^ |
| 08:11.04 | Renze | the older, the better |
| 08:11.07 | qupada | AegeanLinux|ALi: i think you'll find the bottle in this picture says 17% http://www.liquorking.co.nz/product_image.asp?SKU=070465 |
| 08:11.25 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ( even though it is illegal to use them for the manufacture of spirits / coctails ) |
| 08:11.49 | SAS_Spidey01 | 320bitrate .ogg really beats 128bitrate mp3 I think |
| 08:11.49 | qupada | i must say i do like duty free spirits |
| 08:11.51 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I swear it said 20%.. I got one in the fridge ^_^ |
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| 08:12.14 | qupada | 47% ABV gin = :D |
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| 08:12.27 | AegeanLinux|ALi | qupada: *just* checked, and it is 19.8%, is that _close_ enough :P |
| 08:12.31 | Renze | maybe they round it up to the nearest 10 so as not to confuse Australians :D |
| 08:12.53 | qupada | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baileys_Irish_Cream "Baileys Irish Cream (the registered trade mark omits the apostrophe), is an Irish whiskey- and cream- based liqueur, made by R. A. Bailey & Co. of Dublin, Ireland. It has a declared alcohol content of 17% alcohol by volume (ABV)" |
| 08:13.09 | qupada | just one bullet? |
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| 08:13.19 | qupada | methinks AegeanLinux|ALi has too much confidence in his aim |
| 08:13.23 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I am a good aim when it comes to shooting renze ^_^ |
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| 08:13.34 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I have had alot of practise qupada |
| 08:13.35 | lesshaste | anyone know how I should uninstall k3b? It isn't in a package on my system so no distro method will work it seems |
| 08:13.49 | Q-collective | lesshaste: ask you distro |
| 08:13.51 | AegeanLinux|ALi | OK, how can I prove that my label says 19.8% ? |
| 08:14.03 | qupada | AegeanLinux|ALi: take a photo |
| 08:14.08 | Renze | lesshaste: if you installed from source, do the ./configure step, then make uninstall as root |
| 08:14.11 | lesshaste | Q-collective: it isn't installed in a distro specific way it seems |
| 08:14.17 | lesshaste | Renze: thanks |
| 08:14.17 | AegeanLinux|ALi | My digicam does not like Linblows |
| 08:14.23 | Renze | no problem |
| 08:14.37 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ( ie, it does not work in Linux, and atm it ain't working in Windows ) |
| 08:14.47 | Q-collective | lol |
| 08:14.50 | Q-collective | how usefull |
| 08:15.09 | Renze | and strangely convenient :D |
| 08:15.11 | qupada | it's WORN media |
| 08:15.17 | qupada | write once read never |
| 08:15.53 | SAS_Spidey01 | Digicam cares what Kernel you use? |
| 08:16.06 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Digicam == Digital Camera |
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| 08:16.22 | AegeanLinux|ALi | It is a Kodak something or rather 4 mp, which I got for ~ $300 |
| 08:16.25 | SAS_Spidey01 | o i c |
| 08:16.28 | AegeanLinux|ALi | hkBst: g'day |
| 08:16.30 | qupada | well that'll be why |
| 08:16.39 | Mitches | WHy didn't I get a g'day? |
| 08:16.40 | qupada | skodak can't make digital cameras worth a shit |
| 08:16.41 | Mitches | I'll show you. |
| 08:16.42 | Mitches | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:16.52 | qupada | you know people get k-lined for that |
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| 08:17.20 | AegeanLinux|ALi | qupada: hey ? |
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| 08:17.56 | qupada | it's really rather shameful that that hack still works |
| 08:18.06 | Renze | only on mIRC, I believe |
| 08:18.09 | SAS_Spidey01 | I need to go to bed, I'm starting to call my NTP daemon "nptd" |
| 08:18.12 | qupada | no, it's a router thing |
| 08:18.19 | Renze | ah |
| 08:18.24 | Renze | didn't affect mine |
| 08:18.41 | qupada | it's because of the nasty vxworks (or whatever it's called) platform that most manufacturers seem to be using |
| 08:18.44 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I do not get how it works |
| 08:18.56 | AegeanLinux|ALi | whats the whole point ... |
| 08:19.23 | qupada | basically the router thinks (it's quite wrong, of course) that that text represents a malicious connection attempt from the freenode server, and so drops the connection |
| 08:19.36 | AegeanLinux|ALi | oh, meh |
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| 08:19.50 | Renze | my D-Link ignored it |
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| 08:20.10 | qupada | only some routers are affected |
| 08:20.56 | AegeanLinux|ALi | So those 3 people got dc'd by that line ? |
| 08:21.04 | AegeanLinux|ALi | hah! stupid manufacturers :P |
| 08:21.13 | qupada | in the early days it would be up to a dozen people |
| 08:21.17 | Renze | people are dumb |
| 08:21.35 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: why is it the people's fault ? |
| 08:21.45 | Renze | they made the routers |
| 08:21.54 | Renze | they made the firmware for the routers |
| 08:22.06 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Shirakawasuna: she is all good. I just finished three days of exams, |
| 08:22.20 | AegeanLinux|ALi | each day spending FIVE BLOODY HOURS in a hot room |
| 08:22.28 | Renze | I remember exams... hated them... almost had panic attacks doing them |
| 08:22.37 | Shirakawasuna | bah |
| 08:22.58 | Shirakawasuna | I just have to write two more pages on federalism and do lab report + prelab writeup + german essay + japanese homework |
| 08:23.05 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: I feel for you :) |
| 08:23.20 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Shirakawasuna: german & jap ? |
| 08:23.28 | AegeanLinux|ALi | dang. |
| 08:23.44 | qupada | i have 4 exams over the next 11 days starting tomorrow, to be honest i couldn't care less the outcome |
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| 08:24.04 | AegeanLinux|ALi | qupada: yeah ? what are the exams ? |
| 08:24.28 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: just think of me ^_^ |
| 08:24.32 | Renze | ewww! |
| 08:24.36 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: doing that solves **all** |
| 08:24.39 | qupada | AegeanLinux|ALi: can't be arsed typing the names of the papers out |
| 08:24.46 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: OMGOosh l4mer n00b :P |
| 08:25.02 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: you disgust me. |
| 08:25.14 | qupada | (we were out of buckets) |
| 08:25.17 | AegeanLinux|ALi | qupada: not even _one_ ? |
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| 08:26.07 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I stuffed up my "Non-calculator Maths Test". |
| 08:26.12 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Listen to this ... 9/25 |
| 08:26.16 | AegeanLinux|ALi | NINE! |
| 08:26.16 | hkBst | AegeanLinux|ALi: hi :) |
| 08:26.19 | Renze | hahahaha! |
| 08:26.33 | Renze | too dependent on technology :D |
| 08:26.56 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: that kcalc mate ... I swear, if it wasn't so good, I would kill the author ;-) |
| 08:27.06 | qupada | subjects that involve fancy calculators are just stupid |
| 08:27.10 | AegeanLinux|ALi | hkBst: see what saying hi to you caused ^_^ |
| 08:27.24 | qupada | because it becomes a contest for how well the person knows their particular calculator |
| 08:27.33 | AegeanLinux|ALi | meh. |
| 08:27.41 | qupada | so then if you take the calculator away from them, they're completely fucked and don't actually know anything |
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| 08:27.44 | Renze | calculators were banned in all of our exams |
| 08:27.56 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I know how to use tan and sin, and seeing as that is what my tests are on ... ;-) |
| 08:28.09 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: they were ??? Dang. |
| 08:28.25 | qupada | the thing is in most cases you shouldn't need that kinda shit |
| 08:28.58 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I know. Why I am learning it I do not know |
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| 08:29.30 | AegeanLinux|ALi | if my IST teacher was not saying "in my early days, I used to be really good at QBasic", I would not mind having more IST classes |
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| 08:29.37 | AegeanLinux|ALi | IST == Information and Software Tech |
| 08:29.43 | hkBst | AegeanLinux|ALi: it must be my great personality :D |
| 08:29.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ( aka computers ) |
| 08:29.54 | Renze | QBasic? luxury! I started with Apple Basic :D |
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| 08:30.00 | AegeanLinux|ALi | hkBst: something like that :/ |
| 08:30.19 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: If it was _just_ that, he doesn't know what he is teaching |
| 08:30.32 | qupada | i remember using basic on an apple ][e or something similar |
| 08:30.37 | AegeanLinux|ALi | he was calling a crawler a trawler, and didn't believe that I know it and he didn't |
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| 08:30.45 | Renze | sounds like my high school computer teacher... who got pissed off at me by showing her up all the time :D |
| 08:30.57 | AegeanLinux|ALi | so I went onto google and typed "Google Crawler" and"Google Trawler" |
| 08:31.21 | AegeanLinux|ALi | and then he said the ' " ' 's was causing the results |
| 08:31.26 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I was all like, n00b |
| 08:31.35 | Renze | she said "write a program that uses random numbers", so I wrote a game |
| 08:31.44 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Why we could not learn something like Python or Perl I do not know |
| 08:31.45 | qupada | heh, like one of the teachers at my high school didn't know what URL stood for |
| 08:31.57 | Renze | Universal Resource Locator |
| 08:31.59 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: for my Qbasic assignment, I wrote PONG |
| 08:32.07 | qupada | Renze: heh, in that situation i wrote one of those games where you have a square that moves when the mouse ends up on top of it |
| 08:32.12 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I thought it was Uniform |
| 08:32.13 | Renze | I wrote Battleship in Apple Basic |
| 08:32.32 | qupada | it is Uniform |
| 08:32.34 | Renze | I think it is uniform, actually |
| 08:32.39 | Renze | my bad |
| 08:32.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | +1 for me |
| 08:32.51 | Renze | like it matters :D |
| 08:32.55 | AegeanLinux|ALi | sorry Renze, just had to do that :P |
| 08:33.04 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Well, we all know you have like ... 399 over me ;) |
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| 08:33.17 | qupada | 399e+06 more like |
| 08:33.17 | qupada | :P |
| 08:33.22 | AegeanLinux|ALi | whatev |
| 08:33.40 | hkBst | hmm, someone tried that DCC trick in xorg too... |
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| 08:34.11 | qupada | hkBst: i was really expecting the jackass to get klined. it's happened before |
| 08:34.30 | AegeanLinux|ALi | how do you get an op dude to come ? |
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| 08:35.07 | Renze | you either wake up one of the people with chanserv powers, or go to #freenode and ask one of the opers nicely |
| 08:35.33 | AegeanLinux|ALi | KK, thanks Renze ^_^ |
| 08:35.33 | qupada | or type '/stats p' (if your client supports that, and msg someone off that list (if anyone shows up that is) |
| 08:35.50 | AegeanLinux|ALi | => p 0 staff members |
| 08:36.10 | qupada | hence "if anyone shows up" |
| 08:36.22 | qupada | there may be ops online, not everyone appears in that list |
| 08:38.36 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I found out how to do it ^_& |
| 08:38.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp |
| 08:39.35 | visik7 | . |
| 08:39.43 | Renze | .. |
| 08:39.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | visik7: ! |
| 08:39.59 | visik7 | sorry just trying dcop |
| 08:40.01 | visik7 | :) |
| 08:40.07 | Renze | ·._.·'¯'·._.·'¯'·._.·'¯'·._.·'¯'·._.·'¯'·._.·'¯'·._.·'¯'·._.·'¯' |
| 08:40.11 | AegeanLinux|ALi | S'all good ^_^ |
| 08:40.17 | _mobtek | killah snakes! |
| 08:40.20 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: wow! HOW did you do that ? |
| 08:40.24 | _mobtek | SNAKES ON A KIWI! |
| 08:40.26 | Renze | I'm clever :D |
| 08:40.33 | visik7 | asdasd |
| 08:40.45 | AegeanLinux|ALi | right .... you expect us mortals to believe that :-P |
| 08:40.59 | qupada | ¿ |
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| 08:50.02 | abuyazan | hello |
| 08:50.21 | AegeanLinux|ALi | hia abuyazan |
| 08:51.25 | abuyazan | i am searching about application to download the site with all sounds videos files |
| 08:51.36 | Renze | wget |
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| 08:53.10 | Shirakawasuna | bah |
| 08:53.13 | Shirakawasuna | kword is crashing |
| 08:53.16 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I just got a spam mail advertising 300% off for new cars |
| 08:53.28 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I mean httrack |
| 08:53.36 | qupada | 300% off you say? |
| 08:53.36 | Shirakawasuna | http://phpfi.com/165301 |
| 08:53.46 | Renze | they pay you twice the value to take the car? |
| 08:54.01 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Well, thats what spam says :) |
| 08:54.16 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I just want the Lambo :) |
| 08:54.25 | Shirakawasuna | any ideas on that error? |
| 08:54.36 | qupada | http://www.koenigsegg.com/ |
| 08:54.39 | Renze | I'll take an Aston Martin Vanquish and the million or so NZ dollars :D |
| 08:54.42 | Shirakawasuna | not quite sure what it's explaining |
| 08:55.16 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: OK, I will forward the email to you ^_^ |
| 08:55.27 | Renze | no way! |
| 08:55.39 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: Jokes. G'eez :/ |
| 08:55.47 | Renze | I know ;) |
| 08:55.59 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Shirakawasuna: where do you live. I have never heard of "koenigsegg" |
| 08:56.04 | AegeanLinux|ALi | looks a sick car |
| 08:56.29 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanLinux|ALi: huh? |
| 08:56.35 | qupada | AegeanLinux|ALi: they're swedish |
| 08:56.37 | qupada | and absolutely mad |
| 08:56.41 | Renze | apparently "sick" means good |
| 08:56.45 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ummm, I meant qupada, sorry Shirakawasuna |
| 08:56.53 | qupada | that car has 800bhp from a 4.7L V8 |
| 08:57.02 | AegeanLinux|ALi | qupada: english please :/ |
| 08:57.13 | Renze | 800 horsepower |
| 08:57.16 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I am a PC nerd, not into cars for a nano-sec ;-) |
| 08:57.26 | qupada | arseloads of power from a not particularly large engine |
| 08:57.29 | Shirakawasuna | *sigh* |
| 08:57.35 | Shirakawasuna | I think my computer is telling me not to use kwrite |
| 08:57.39 | Shirakawasuna | *kword |
| 08:57.43 | Renze | most cars have like 70bhp |
| 08:57.46 | AegeanLinux|ALi | WOW! Look at that inside :O |
| 08:58.38 | qupada | and as you're noticing, unlike most excessively powerful cars it's not horribly ugly |
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| 08:58.59 | Renze | it looks like an egg |
| 08:59.10 | AegeanLinux|ALi | funny Renze |
| 08:59.14 | Renze | I'll keep the Aston Martin, thanks :) |
| 08:59.42 | qupada | the best bit too is it comes with a real gearbox |
| 08:59.52 | qupada | 6 speed manual, none of this sequential paddle shifter shit |
| 08:59.54 | Renze | http://members.fortunecity.com/freecarwallpapers/images/aston_martin_vanquish_01.jpg |
| 09:00.32 | Shirakawasuna | bah |
| 09:00.33 | AegeanLinux|ALi | If it was an Aston Martin Vanish (From James Bond) i would get it ^_^ |
| 09:00.36 | qupada | the problem with aston martons is they all look the same |
| 09:00.39 | Shirakawasuna | openoffice's spellcheck doesn't work either |
| 09:00.52 | Shirakawasuna | it's like gentoo wants to make life painful for me, argh |
| 09:00.53 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: same car |
| 09:00.56 | Shirakawasuna | *booting into windows* |
| 09:00.58 | AegeanLinux|ALi | NAAAAAAAAA! |
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| 09:02.10 | AegeanLinux|ALi | anything with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_camouflage "Active Camouflage" is cool. |
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| 09:03.36 | RedGhost | Where can I configure the size of desktop icons? |
| 09:04.04 | qupada | RedGhost: control centre > appearance & themes > icons |
| 09:04.29 | Renze | seems logical to me :) |
| 09:08.38 | RedGhost | ah sorry I am not used to the whole control centre app |
| 09:08.43 | RedGhost | I use gnome normally |
| 09:08.56 | Renze | ah, you like others thinking for you ;) |
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| 09:09.00 | qupada | well let's put it this way |
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| 09:09.06 | RedGhost | Yes, yes I do |
| 09:09.13 | RedGhost | takes less energy |
| 09:09.19 | qupada | gnome STORES all its settings in one place (damn registry), kde just lets you configure them all in one place |
| 09:10.01 | RedGhost | kde feels more like windows to me and less like linux and uses more ram but |
| 09:10.05 | RedGhost | I figured Id try it out |
| 09:10.20 | AegeanLinux|ALi | it is worth the extra ram though |
| 09:10.29 | Renze | kde doesn't feel like windows to me... but I don't use default settings |
| 09:11.11 | AegeanLinux|ALi | and I do not use VRAM unless I compile Firefox or kdebindings |
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| 09:11.11 | RedGhost | I havnt really seen any thing that is noticably better than gnome |
| 09:11.11 | RedGhost | for the extra ram |
| 09:11.11 | RedGhost | but I didnt come to the KDE channel to rip on it |
| 09:11.11 | RedGhost | thanks for the help |
| 09:11.22 | Renze | gnome makes me feel far too confined... I'm a power user and I don't like people thinking for me ;) |
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| 09:12.24 | AegeanLinux|ALi | http://tim.aegeanlinux.be/pix/ac4.png <<=== show me Gnome doing *that* |
| 09:12.48 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Gnome I have to think where I need to configure a particular setting ^_^ |
| 09:12.59 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I just think overall KDE is much more sexy |
| 09:13.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Gnome feels like a toy, too |
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| 09:14.27 | physos | A linux DE with a terminal program catching keycombos away form the terminal applications is a toy. |
| 09:14.58 | Ardonik | Use a different terminal. |
| 09:15.07 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Yakuake doesn't do that :/ |
| 09:15.09 | AegeanLinux|ALi | does it ? |
| 09:15.14 | RedGhost | hmm I /parted this channel wth |
| 09:15.50 | Renze | you cannot escape! |
| 09:16.01 | physos | Ardonik: i do, I use Konsole :) |
| 09:16.32 | physos | Ardonik: just had to use gnome-terminal at a customer the last 2 days nad it is catching keys all the time. :) |
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| 09:20.21 | reallove | how necessary is to upgrade from 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 ? |
| 09:20.23 | arrummzen | Is there a way to enable manual window placement in kde? |
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| 09:20.52 | Renze | reallove: check the changes and see if there is anything there that would affect you... but khtml got some major speed improvements |
| 09:21.05 | RedGhost | I dont see the need |
| 09:21.09 | RedGhost | for ircop abuse |
| 09:21.24 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Why hasn't http://freshmeat.net/projects/xpde/ XPDE been updated for a while ? :-P |
| 09:21.30 | Thandavarayan | Got some problems with Alacarte, that if I remove KDE items on Gnome menu, which also removes the same items on KDE Menu. |
| 09:21.35 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze and his bloody Windows haters :P |
| 09:21.55 | Renze | oh, is that person on my ignore list back? |
| 09:22.11 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ... which one ? |
| 09:22.11 | _RedGhost | I really hope ksirc is messing up |
| 09:22.17 | _RedGhost | if not I will report this :\ |
| 09:22.26 | Renze | winrocks, or whatever his nick is this time |
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| 09:22.34 | Tallia1Kubuntu | Hi guys, there's no way of switching between view modes in konqueror? i mean, i usually use only details and icon mode.. but there's no shortcut for fast change between them available.. can you give me a hint? |
| 09:22.44 | reallove | Renze :thanks for the advice |
| 09:22.44 | Renze | _RedGhost: konversation is a lot better than ksirc |
| 09:22.49 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze: get off the happy tobbacii ;-) |
| 09:22.54 | _RedGhost | Grow up jesus |
| 09:22.58 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: I don't smoke... anything |
| 09:23.17 | RockMan | ciao |
| 09:23.19 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Renze, is that a shortcut or something, you like that fraize :-) |
| 09:23.21 | Renze | _RedGhost: um, who are you talking to? |
| 09:23.34 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: no, I type that each time |
| 09:23.45 | Renze | schizophrenia? |
| 09:23.49 | nojhan | Tallia1Kubuntu: have you tried the "configure shortcuts" panel ? |
| 09:23.54 | Tallia1Kubuntu | yeah |
| 09:24.10 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Whats that desktop manager that looked like 2000 called :/ |
| 09:24.33 | Renze | I've only ever used kdm |
| 09:24.42 | AegeanLinux|ALi | WOWA! http://www.csg.is.titech.ac.jp/~kourai/qvwm/screenshots/screen2.jpg |
| 09:24.55 | AegeanLinux|ALi | * desktop environment |
| 09:25.08 | Renze | yuck |
| 09:25.36 | Renze | that is uglier than the mirror reflection of my ass |
| 09:26.04 | nojhan | does anyone knows where I can find documentation on the rc file of kio_ftp ? |
| 09:26.09 | xushi | heh, reminds me of xpde |
| 09:26.15 | AegeanLinux|ALi | The source ^_^ |
| 09:26.26 | AegeanLinux|ALi | nojhan: ^^ |
| 09:26.52 | nojhan | omg, a joke |
| 09:27.04 | nojhan | very original |
| 09:27.22 | Renze | tim? joking? ;) |
| 09:28.27 | AegeanLinux|ALi | nojhan: sorry |
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| 09:28.49 | RedGhost | ksirc messed up and every time I parted this channel it rejoined |
| 09:28.52 | nojhan | AegeanLinux|ALi: no problem, I'm just looking at the 3.2 API documentation, and I dont find kio_ftp |
| 09:28.56 | RedGhost | thats why I was saying weird out of place stuff |
| 09:28.58 | RedGhost | sorry for that |
| 09:29.15 | Renze | RedGhost: heh, I thought it was an attack of schizophrenia :D |
| 09:29.22 | RedGhost | wtf |
| 09:29.25 | RedGhost | I JUST parted |
| 09:29.30 | Renze | you never left |
| 09:29.33 | RedGhost | okay I am using xchat this thing isnt stable |
| 09:29.37 | AegeanLinux|ALi | No one cares what I thought, so don't warry ^_^ |
| 09:29.46 | Renze | use konversation dude... ksirc is shite |
| 09:30.04 | RedGhost | I would use just sirc but I am lazy with the channel switching with keys |
| 09:30.06 | xushi | mm, kvirc :) |
| 09:30.30 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ARGH! What is the name of that windows DM |
| 09:30.35 | AegeanLinux|ALi | DE |
| 09:30.52 | RedGhost | the windows DE is part of the kernel |
| 09:30.57 | RedGhost | most of it is explorer.exe though |
| 09:31.21 | AegeanLinux|ALi | nm,found it, EDE - "Equinox Desktop Environment" http://ede.sourceforge.net |
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| 09:32.13 | Renze | AegeanLinux|ALi: why? |
| 09:32.23 | RedGhost | this is so ghetto |
| 09:32.28 | RedGhost | I /part or /leave and it does |
| 09:32.30 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I want to compile it, ftw :) |
| 09:32.35 | RedGhost | then 15 seconds later the channel comes back |
| 09:32.39 | RedGhost | but the user list is empty |
| 09:32.52 | Renze | RedGhost: from this end, you don't leave |
| 09:32.55 | AegeanLinux|ALi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista <=== and show people how it is still better than |
| 09:33.08 | RedGhost | will an |
| 09:33.08 | RedGhost | op |
| 09:33.11 | RedGhost | kick me plz :) |
| 09:33.20 | Renze | no ops awake here |
| 09:33.25 | RedGhost | hmm |
| 09:33.39 | RedGhost | Okay I'll just stay here then ._> |
| 09:34.09 | qupada | AegeanLinux|ALi: going on that first screenshot, they really don't have a lot to show for 5 years work |
| 09:34.24 | AegeanLinux|ALi | meh. they do not have the team of KDE |
| 09:34.31 | AegeanLinux|ALi | and from what I hear, it is stable as :) |
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| 09:35.53 | qupada | when you consider when xp was released we didn't have kde 3.0 |
| 09:35.58 | AegeanLinux|ALi | + it uses fltk |
| 09:36.25 | AegeanLinux|ALi | qupada: KDE has how many programmers, two, four ? |
| 09:36.34 | AegeanLinux|ALi | my point exactly ;-) |
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| 09:37.11 | qupada | you're really not making any sense right now |
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| 09:38.15 | Renze | I'm going to crawl into bed with a good book... later all |
| 09:38.21 | AegeanLinux|ALi | EDE has four programmers, KDE has 100's |
| 09:38.24 | AegeanLinux|ALi | night Renze |
| 09:38.31 | AegeanLinux|ALi | think of me ;-), just don't forget |
| 09:38.36 | Renze | KDE has over a thousand |
| 09:38.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | exactly :-) |
| 09:38.50 | Renze | I won't be thinking of you, that's for sure :P |
| 09:38.50 | AegeanLinux|ALi | A team like KDE can move mountains |
| 09:38.53 | qupada | Renze: why crawl? did someone break your kneecaps with a crowbar? |
| 09:39.05 | Renze | qupada: because it's easier than walking :) |
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| 09:41.48 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I wonder if #ede is here |
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| 09:45.15 | Hali_303 | hi! |
| 09:45.38 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Hi Hali_303 |
| 09:46.10 | Hali_303 | question: I've left my home machine running KDE. now I wanna remote desktop into it. however, before that, I need to shutdown the running KDE. how? (like shutdown.exe in winxp) |
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| 09:46.41 | Hali_303 | so basically a command line "shutdown button" |
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| 09:46.52 | Hali_303 | which quits KDE and returns to shell |
| 09:47.39 | benJIman | I think you can only kill it, not logout nicely. |
| 09:47.58 | Hali_303 | hm. how pity :( |
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| 09:48.54 | titou | hi |
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| 09:49.04 | AegeanLinux|ALi | hi titou |
| 09:49.23 | titou | des someone knows a good "sound editor" under KDE? |
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| 09:49.40 | bioticpro | anyone here use knemo? I can't get it to load (kde 3.5.5) |
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| 09:50.29 | Hali_303 | and how to kill KDE remotely? |
| 09:50.44 | AegeanLinux|ALi | killall is your friend |
| 09:50.58 | Hali_303 | AegeanLinux|ALi: ok, but killall what? it has like 20 processes |
| 09:51.00 | deepspace | What would be the effect of running X and KDE in screen? |
| 09:51.03 | deepspace | I've never tried that |
| 09:51.06 | titou | Hali_303: killall kdm :) |
| 09:51.15 | titou | (if you use it of course..) |
| 09:51.18 | titou | else kill X :) |
| 09:51.53 | Hali_303 | I dont use it :/ |
| 09:52.00 | Hali_303 | i killed X, now everything gone |
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| 09:52.39 | bioticpro | What is a good network monitor applet for kde? I was using knetload, until 3.5.5, don't like the new version |
| 09:53.23 | shinjii_ | ntop/mrtg |
| 09:53.57 | Hali_303 | thanks all! bye |
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| 09:58.30 | bioticpro | anyone know how to get Knemo to start? |
| 09:59.49 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Knemo... |
| 09:59.57 | AegeanLinux|ALi | well ... |
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| 10:00.02 | AegeanLinux|ALi | how do I start ... |
| 10:02.34 | AegeanLinux|ALi | in a konsole |
| 10:02.45 | AegeanLinux|ALi | type ==> knemo <== |
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| 10:03.40 | bioticpro | AegeanLinux|ALi: that doesn't work, knemo is a kde service |
| 10:03.56 | AegeanLinux|ALi | An applet you mean |
| 10:03.57 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ? |
| 10:04.13 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Right click on the kicker and click "Add applet to pannel" |
| 10:04.25 | benJIman | no knemo isn't an applet |
| 10:04.27 | bioticpro | AegeanLinux|ALi: no, not an applet |
| 10:04.37 | benJIman | bioticpro: kcontrol -> kde components -> services -> knemo |
| 10:04.51 | AegeanLinux|ALi | meh. Typing knemo starts it up for me |
| 10:05.39 | benJIman | not here. |
| 10:06.25 | bioticpro | benJIman: you mean service manager right? knemo is listed as a on demand service only, not launch on startup service |
| 10:06.38 | benJIman | bioticpro: set it how you want. |
| 10:06.40 | bioticpro | and the start button is greyed out |
| 10:07.16 | bioticpro | benJIman: I don't see where to add it as a startup service |
| 10:07.29 | benJIman | bioticpro: in that dialogue. |
| 10:08.13 | bioticpro | there is no add - button or menu |
| 10:09.02 | bioticpro | maybe Im missing some kde admin component |
| 10:09.14 | benJIman | bioticpro: no you don't add just set it to a startup service. |
| 10:09.36 | AegeanLinux|ALi | brb |
| 10:09.37 | benJIman | I'm not at my home machine right now to tell you exactly which pixel to click on , but it's not exactly a big dialogue to look at. |
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| 10:10.46 | bioticpro | benJIman: yeah, thats whats killin me, I see no way to change service options for knemo |
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| 10:11.52 | benJIman | bioticpro: you can choose on demand, diabled or on startup |
| 10:14.00 | bioticpro | benJIman: yeah, my Service Manager area is not like that, there is a top part that shows load on demand, that can't be changed |
| 10:14.25 | bioticpro | and a bottom area for startup services, that can only be enabled or disabled |
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| 10:18.03 | benJIman | bioticpro: yeah you select to start on startup the knemo one. |
| 10:18.13 | benJIman | This assumes you have knemo installed properly. |
| 10:18.21 | bioticpro | benJIman: knemo isn't in that list... |
| 10:18.39 | bioticpro | I installed the knemo rpm from my distro's repo |
| 10:18.45 | benJIman | what distro? |
| 10:18.52 | bioticpro | PCLinusOS |
| 10:19.15 | benJIman | Well either the package is faulty or user error I suppose. |
| 10:19.17 | bioticpro | I tried restarting KDE, maybe if I reboot the computer it will work |
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| 10:24.30 | bioticpro | benJIman: got it working :) |
| 10:25.38 | bioticpro | Kcontrol>Network>Network Monitoring, Use Knemo (check) |
| 10:25.41 | somekool | I LOVE KDE !!!! |
| 10:25.55 | GraveDigger | somekool: dito :) |
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| 10:26.19 | somekool | my girlfriend is so pretty with her konqi shirt..... |
| 10:26.36 | GraveDigger | nice! :> |
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| 10:28.11 | Andy778 | i would appreciate som help with compiz under kde |
| 10:28.16 | AegeanLinux|ALi | somekool: you are lucky to have such a girlfriend. |
| 10:28.24 | AegeanLinux|ALi | whats her name, address and phoine number ? :P |
| 10:30.56 | bioticpro | benJIman: thx... gnight all, cmon KDE 4 |
| 10:32.00 | fred87 | benJIman: btw, LAN! |
| 10:32.21 | fred87 | oh, you're already signed up :) |
| 10:33.00 | benJIman | fred87: :) |
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| 10:40.19 | somekool | AegeanLinux|ALi: Japan ;) |
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| 10:40.41 | AegeanLinux|ALi | arrrr.... to dang bad somekool |
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| 11:04.31 | Phlogiston | kontact sucks: I launch it go to my contacts, delete all contacts, close the app, reopen the app and all the contacts are still there... wtf? |
| 11:05.15 | somekool | AegeanLinux|ALi: ain't really :P |
| 11:05.36 | somekool | Phlogiston: whats the storage method for your contacts? |
| 11:06.00 | Phlogiston | vcf file, standard method?!? |
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| 11:06.08 | somekool | by the way, ain't really kontact that *would* sucks ( if anything does sucks ) but kaddressbook which manages your contacts |
| 11:06.48 | somekool | its a bit weird, i never had a problem with my contact list but I usually store my contacts in an IMAP folder |
| 11:06.50 | Phlogiston | somekool: yeah you are right! |
| 11:07.42 | Phlogiston | its so weird if I don't delete all of them it seems to work |
| 11:09.13 | Phlogiston | yes I got it, there must be a _really_ weird bug in it... I can delete them but only if I don't select ALL and finally I can't delete the last contact -D |
| 11:11.37 | somekool | why do you want to delete all your contacts. i never did such a thing |
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| 11:15.36 | foobarz | I'm using foobar2000 under wine. Is there a way to have something like Media Control (applet) to control foobar2000 on the kde panel bar? |
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| 11:28.50 | Windwalker | Hi, can somebody advise me how to print from kdeprint to smb shred printer on windows xp HOME! not pro |
| 11:29.17 | Windwalker | printing to pro is not a problem as there are permissions on the xp side, but home is a problem |
| 11:29.41 | Windwalker | I have no such problem on gnome. Anonymous and Guest logging from kde will not help |
| 11:30.09 | Windwalker | btw I am using Kubuntu 6.10 and Ubuntu 6.06 for the test |
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| 11:30.44 | Windwalker | Anybody printed over xp HOME from kde? |
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| 11:45.57 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 11:47.12 | serishema | hello |
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| 11:50.58 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I am I am I am I am !!! :=P |
| 11:51.25 | serishema | yay more awake people |
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| 11:53.50 | Nazcafan | I can't get the sceen deformation screensavers (bumps ...) to work on kde, they don't apply to the Desktop but to the "Xscreensaver default image", any clue ? |
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| 12:00.17 | Phlogiston | Can I globally change the standard input key for changing tabs for the whole kde? |
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| 12:03.27 | fluxdude | how do I make krdc always default to vnc instead of having to type vnc://hostname? |
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| 12:03.56 | fluxdude | I want to just be able to type hostname and have it try vnc. I couldn't see a command line option for this.... |
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| 12:06.49 | fluxdude | Roey: no I'm not a john? |
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| 12:07.22 | Roey | fluxdude: oh ok (JohnFlux is a KDE developer) |
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| 12:09.44 | shinjii | whats a good hex editor in bsd or *nix ? |
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| 12:10.23 | whirm | shinjii: dunnow maybe khexeditor? |
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| 12:12.54 | shinjii | ghex will do |
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| 12:22.26 | quintin_ | Could you fucktards quit changing accepted standards? |
| 12:22.54 | quintin_ | Example: scrolling through themes in a dropdown. in any sane operating system if you click a dropdown it will remain highlighted and you can scorll with the arrow keys up and down |
| 12:22.57 | quintin_ | can't do that in kde |
| 12:23.04 | quintin_ | ten years? |
| 12:23.08 | quintin_ | you think it wouldn't suck so much |
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| 12:28.04 | Phlogiston | Can I globally change the standard input key for changing tabs for the whole kde? |
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| 12:30.22 | Phlogiston | Could aynone help me with that? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-508492-start-0-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html |
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| 12:38.03 | RedGhost | Now that I got Xgl working again I am not so biased towards KDE |
| 12:38.03 | RedGhost | o: |
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| 12:39.19 | AegeanLinux|ALi | you should explain why to Quintin_ ( who has now left ) |
| 12:39.24 | AegeanLinux|ALi | RedGhost: how is it ? |
| 12:40.11 | M_A_K | Hey all. I am currently using Gnome and wish to install KDE to play with it. How do I go about that? I am using ubuntu. |
| 12:40.50 | benJIman | M_A_K: ask in ubuntu channel. |
| 12:41.26 | rdale | i think quitin_ needs to go and pick up some fresh medication |
| 12:41.55 | M_A_K | or maybe just "get some" :) |
| 12:41.59 | RedGhost | Xgl? Great works the same as before, but It stopped working after I installed KDE so without the magical waving and jiggling of the windows I was biased. |
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| 12:57.24 | firefire | running debian etch. since a recent 'apt-get updgrade', kdesu has rejected by root password. in shell, root login is still ok. kdesu is under which package? |
| 12:57.42 | firefire | s/by/my |
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| 12:58.16 | firefire | using kde3.5 |
| 12:59.35 | firefire | anybody's home? |
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| 13:02.25 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I am |
| 13:02.31 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ask in ##debian |
| 13:03.13 | firefire | it is a kde problem. |
| 13:03.15 | Jucato | wow. long time AegeanLinux|ALi :) |
| 13:03.23 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Jucato: ? |
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| 13:03.47 | AegeanLinux|ALi | firefire: proove it :/ |
| 13:03.48 | Jucato | haven't seen you in a long time... (a few days actually) |
| 13:04.04 | firefire | AegeanLinux|ALi: are you GreeK? |
| 13:04.20 | AegeanLinux|ALi | firefire: no. |
| 13:04.36 | firefire | Aegean Sea surrounds Greece. |
| 13:04.43 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I know ^_^ |
| 13:04.46 | AegeanLinux|ALi | www.aegeanlinux.be |
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| 13:05.04 | firefire | Are you Turk? |
| 13:05.09 | sF|Xemanth | i wonder why kde wants to use 1024x768 after booting to kde |
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| 13:05.29 | sF|Xemanth | when starting Xorg i have 1280 x 800 but when i login to kde it changes it to 1024x768 |
| 13:05.35 | firefire | becos it is a higher and therefore better res. |
| 13:05.45 | sF|Xemanth | no its not |
| 13:05.51 | firefire | yes, it is. |
| 13:05.53 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I am Australian firefire |
| 13:05.55 | sF|Xemanth | no its not |
| 13:05.56 | sF|Xemanth | :D |
| 13:06.18 | sF|Xemanth | 1280 x 800 is default resolution for my laptop's screen |
| 13:06.18 | firefire | AegeanLinux|ALi: ah, another crazy oz. :D |
| 13:06.22 | Jucato | ooh.... 2 hours away from me (according to UTC) |
| 13:06.30 | Quaru | Huh, more criminals? |
| 13:06.52 | AegeanLinux|ALi | wanna say that again firefire |
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| 13:07.15 | firefire | AegeanLinux|ALi: how does kangaroo burger taste like? :D |
| 13:07.20 | Quaru | lol |
| 13:07.36 | Quaru | Wraping it in aluminium when you can't finish it? |
| 13:07.37 | AegeanLinux|ALi | firefire: last time I had it was 4 years ago, and I really cannot remember :) |
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| 13:08.13 | firefire | AegeanLinux|ALi: 4 yrs ago? why? is it becos there's no more kangaroo left? |
| 13:08.14 | Quaru | My neighbor before I moved was an aussie, we always had fun picking on each other. |
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| 13:08.34 | AegeanLinux|ALi | lol, firefire, I do not like eating the national emblem ^_^ |
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| 13:09.41 | firefire | Wlatzing Matilda |
| 13:09.57 | joscha | how can i use artsd with my second soundcard? |
| 13:10.16 | firefire | Kookoobara, that's an Oz bird, right? |
| 13:11.06 | AegeanLinux|ALi | yes |
| 13:11.14 | firefire | joscha: you have two sound cards in one machine? |
| 13:11.28 | serishema | a home studio job? |
| 13:11.36 | joscha | firefire: i have a dvb card, which is detected as the first soundcard |
| 13:12.04 | firefire | Kookoobara sits on the old gum tree, Merry, merry, king of the bush is he. |
| 13:14.14 | firefire | AegeanLinux|ALi: how to differentiate an Aussie from a NZ? |
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| 13:14.22 | AegeanLinux|ALi | One likes sheep, the other women + beer ;) |
| 13:14.46 | Jucato | ... |
| 13:14.55 | AegeanLinux|ALi | !!! |
| 13:14.58 | Quaru | lol |
| 13:15.01 | firefire | one hops like a kangaroo and the other walk like a kiwi. :D |
| 13:15.05 | AegeanLinux|ALi | [ Aussies like beer ] |
| 13:15.24 | AegeanLinux|ALi | I will hop all over any woman drinking beer firefire |
| 13:15.32 | AegeanLinux|ALi | well, it is bed bed time for me. So night night |
| 13:15.55 | Quaru | night |
| 13:15.55 | firefire | what time is it over there? |
| 13:16.00 | Jucato | 11pm |
| 13:16.02 | Quaru | 1pm? |
| 13:16.04 | Jucato | 11:15pm |
| 13:16.05 | Quaru | 11 even |
| 13:16.13 | AegeanLinux|ALi | http://tim.aegeanlinux.be/pix/use-aegean.png |
| 13:16.18 | AegeanLinux|ALi | ^^ my web button |
| 13:16.19 | firefire | Perth or Sydney? |
| 13:16.22 | AegeanLinux|ALi | just finished |
| 13:16.25 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Sydney firefire |
| 13:16.29 | Jucato | lol |
| 13:16.40 | Quaru | :P |
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| 13:17.30 | AegeanLinux|ALi | Jucato: what ? |
| 13:17.33 | firefire | i got to go too.bye. |
| 13:17.37 | AegeanLinux|ALi | later |
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| 13:17.51 | Jucato | no i was lol @ the cute web button :) |
| 13:18.02 | AegeanLinux|ALi | :-/ |
| 13:21.19 | AegeanLinux|ALi | night all |
| 13:21.26 | Jucato | night AegeanLinux|ALi |
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| 13:25.35 | jhutchins | jhut |
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| 13:29.34 | |boubbin| | so splashscreen is the screen from where I log in, where i can see all the users on the left side? |
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| 13:30.06 | Jucato | that's the Login Manager/Screen (handled by KDM) |
| 13:30.18 | Jucato | the splashscreen (KSplash) is the animated screen that comes after logging in |
| 13:30.57 | joscha | regarding my question.... "hw:1,0" in the hardware device box did it |
| 13:31.08 | |boubbin| | so is it possible to change the Login Manager screen ? |
| 13:31.28 | Jucato | |boubbin|: yes. and the splash screen as well |
| 13:31.49 | |boubbin| | hmm, I have only found where to change splash. |
| 13:33.19 | |boubbin| | ok, im in the place. i have changed that picture multiple times, but it always shows me the "suses default" login screen. |
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| 13:33.34 | Jucato | |boubbin|: if your distro is using a KDM (Login screen) theme, you'd probably want to install a package called "kdmtheme" to make installing KDM Themes much easier. If you're distro doesn't use a theme (like MEPIS orPCLOS), the Login Manager in KControl takes care of the options there |
| 13:33.56 | |boubbin| | ok. thanks. |
| 13:34.21 | Jucato | I'm not sure, but I think SUSE uses a KDM Theme. |
| 13:34.40 | |boubbin| | atleast it wasn't installed. |
| 13:35.23 | |boubbin| | ok. i installed the pakcage using smart. so does it create a new theme setting manager or just improves the old one ? |
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| 13:36.18 | Jucato | |boubbin|: it should create a new entry in KControl called KDM Theme Manager (don't confuse with KDE Theme Manager) |
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| 13:37.03 | |boubbin| | yeah found it. thanks alot. |
| 13:37.24 | Jucato | |boubbin|: you can get some more themes in KDE-Look.org if you want |
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| 13:44.14 | Roey | DeadTreeHugger: =) nice nick |
| 13:44.17 | Roey | Jucato: !!! heya |
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| 13:44.25 | Jucato | hi Roey :) |
| 13:45.11 | d0uglas | Hey now. Got a problem with superkaramba, it forgets what i installed and now when i install new hot stuff it doesn't even show up on the list of downloaded things anymore |
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| 13:47.12 | tapas_ | does anyone else see problems sending via auth smtp with kmail? |
| 13:47.31 | tapas_ | i seem not to be able to send any mail via authentificated smtp with kmail |
| 13:47.38 | tapas_ | since the last apt-get upgrade.. |
| 13:47.41 | tapas_ | which kinda sux |
| 13:47.52 | |boubbin| | im thinking of installing a KDM theme from kde-look.org, and read the info about installing and it tells me to restart kde and stuff like that, so how im suppose to use the KDM theme manager for installing it ? |
| 13:49.09 | Sutoka | |boubbin|: kdmtheme manager is easy to use, you just open kcontrol -> go to the admin section -> kdmthemey thingy, then point it to the tar.gz file with the theme |
| 13:49.09 | |boubbin| | i could find any files in the tar.gz that are supported by KDM theme manager. |
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| 13:49.26 | Sutoka | |boubbin|: the tar.gz itself is what you tell kdm theme manager about |
| 13:49.29 | Jucato | what Sutoka said... he types fast... |
| 13:49.34 | Sutoka | hahahahaha |
| 13:49.39 | Sutoka | battle.net ftw! |
| 13:49.46 | Jucato | lol |
| 13:49.47 | Sutoka | (pre WoW, SC baby!) |
| 13:49.53 | Jucato | I type fast too, but I was typing something long :P |
| 13:50.22 | |boubbin| | Sutoka i pointed the tar.gz to the manager -> "The file is not a valid KDM theme archive." |
| 13:50.24 | Sutoka | i type like almost 100 wpm... or at least i used to |
| 13:50.33 | Sutoka | |boubbin|: what theme is it? |
| 13:51.10 | Jucato | |boubbin|: could you please post the link to the KDM Theme from KDE-Look? |
| 13:51.30 | Sutoka | its possible the theme is just corrupted or something |
| 13:51.31 | |boubbin| | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=33654 |
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| 13:52.06 | Jucato | hmm |
| 13:53.32 | Sutoka | the tar.gz isn't a normal theme, it has 2 in it |
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| 13:54.52 | Sutoka | if you extract one of the folders (either winfreebsd or winxp) then compress it as a tar.gz it works fine with kdmtheme manager |
| 13:55.06 | bou\bin | yeah |
| 13:55.30 | Sutoka | (to compress any random folder into a .tar.gz simply right mouse click on the folder -> Compress -> Compress as <foldername>.tar.gz ) |
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| 13:57.35 | Sutoka | Jucato: i think thats just so aaron seigo can test out the get hot new stuff once its added to SVN plasma |
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| 13:59.07 | Sutoka | i don't think Plasmagik is really at a point yet where you should be able to make actual Plasmoids |
| 13:59.12 | smacnay__ | Is konqueror more memory intensive than Firefox? |
| 13:59.20 | Sutoka | smacnay__: generally no |
| 13:59.33 | smacnay__ | Konq is pretty nice. |
| 13:59.37 | Sutoka | when firefox starts leaking it definitely uses a lot more than konqueror |
| 13:59.50 | smacnay__ | I am enjoying kde. |
| 14:00.04 | d0uglas | maybe iceweasel is better |
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| 14:00.10 | Sutoka | and if you're using Konqueror with other KDE apps, since kde shares most of the libraries, that means the 'vmrss' for the 2 apps is actually quite inaccurate |
| 14:00.25 | Sutoka | d0uglas: ice weasel is just firefox with a different name pretty much ATM |
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| 14:00.56 | Sutoka | kde's extensive set of libraries is both a huge help, and a huge challenge |
| 14:01.30 | Sutoka | the help is it makes it easy to make an app that looks and feels like all the other kde apps, as well as easy access to awesome features like kio-slaves and kparts |
| 14:02.08 | Sutoka | the challenge is the GNU linker sucks, which really slows down the initial load of kde apps, fortunately -fvisibility=hidden and prelinking really help that |
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| 14:03.51 | smacnay__ | Sutoka: I know you tried to help me with my k3b setup (still no luck on getting it to accept the root password) but I was also working on getting my usb plug devices to work |
| 14:03.54 | smacnay__ | oops |
| 14:03.58 | smacnay__ | sorry, I will ask later |
| 14:04.38 | Sutoka | smacnay__: what distro are you using? |
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| 14:05.55 | Jucato | Sutoka: yeah. I was just wondering why they had to put up a place for it already in KDE-Look (sorry, was afk) |
| 14:06.50 | Sutoka | Jucato: it probably won't be too long before Plasma will get to a place where development of plasmoids can begin to |
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| 14:07.44 | Jucato | Sutoka: I hope so. Looking forward to Plasma most of all (among the other major projects: Phonon, Solid, etc) |
| 14:08.06 | smacnay__ | Sutoka: Debian testing |
| 14:08.09 | Jucato | aseigo hasn't blogged about Plasma in a long time... :) |
| 14:08.12 | Sutoka | Jucato: Oxygen, Threadweaver (more so for devs), Decibel, and I'm sure there were others as well |
| 14:08.41 | Sutoka | smacnay__: try running the command: kdesu k3bsetup |
| 14:08.49 | Jucato | ah I haven't heard of Threadweaver. Decibel is the desktop search project right? |
| 14:09.28 | Sutoka | smacnay__: and not really sure how they want you to do it in debian, but installing pmount and adding yourself to the plugdev group should make UMS devices just work (assuming hal and dbus are also setup, if not set them up as well) |
| 14:09.36 | smacnay__ | Sutoka: I did and got the same message... let me try again as there have been some updates installed. |
| 14:10.13 | Sutoka | Jucato: nope, Decibel is a chat framework, abstract the protocols away from the client, and also make it easier for different programs to send messages |
| 14:10.33 | Jucato | ah ok.. I was probably thinking of Strigi... |
| 14:10.46 | Sutoka | Jucato: ThreadWeaver is to help make developing multithreaded and job oriented applications easier |
| 14:10.54 | smacnay__ | Sutoka: kdesu k3bsetup stills claims I have the wrong root passwd. |
| 14:11.16 | Sutoka | smacnay__: can you just 'su -' to root from a konsole? |
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| 14:11.24 | Jucato | well, Plasma and Oxygen... :) |
| 14:11.50 | smacnay__ | Sutoka: yes |
| 14:12.10 | Sutoka | smacnay__: try using your own password for: kdesu k3bsetup |
| 14:12.19 | Jucato | hm... |
| 14:12.30 | Sutoka | smacnay__: if you have kde 3.5.5, its possible somehow kdesu got switched to use sudo instead of su |
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| 14:13.29 | Sutoka | Jucato: if Decibel gets a backend in Plasma then it would be really simple to make plasmoids that show whos online and what not |
| 14:13.41 | smacnay__ | Sutoka: tried own passwd and not luck |
| 14:13.44 | Jucato | ooh that's definitely nice! |
| 14:13.58 | Jucato | something like that Superkaramba theme for Kopete... |
| 14:13.59 | Sutoka | smacnay__: thats really weird, try just running: kdesu kwrite |
| 14:14.12 | Sutoka | Jucato: thats actually a Kopete plugin i think |
| 14:14.39 | Jucato | Sutoka: no. there's a Superkaramba theme, too |
| 14:14.42 | Jucato | afaik |
| 14:14.46 | Sutoka | Jucato: o, never seen that |
| 14:14.50 | smacnay__ | Sutoka: no luck |
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| 14:15.00 | Phlogiston | Could aynone help me with that? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-508492-start-0-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html |
| 14:15.10 | Sutoka | smacnay__: maybe debian testing's kdesu is just b0rked or something? |
| 14:15.53 | Jucato | searching for "kopete" under "Karamaba" types in KDE-Look yields a few hits :) |
| 14:16.07 | Jucato | SKopete, KopeteSidebar, Liquid Kopete, etc. |
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| 14:16.34 | Sutoka | Phlogiston: i think the last reply to that (boot w/o X, then recompile Xorg) should help, if not remove Load "dga" and Load "extmod" from your xorg.conf maybe |
| 14:17.18 | Phlogiston | Sutoka: Hmm why do you think thats an X problem? X is running perfectly... In my opionion it's the kdesmserver that causes the problem |
| 14:18.03 | Sutoka | "(EE) Failed to load module "dga" (module does not exist, 0)" <-- X error, it may be causing the ksmserver error |
| 14:18.10 | Jucato | Sutoka: there isn't? |
| 14:18.17 | Jucato | darn I couldn't check... |
| 14:18.21 | Sutoka | at least on my system |
| 14:19.01 | Phlogiston | Sutoka: hmm ok removed dga without luck of course :-p |
| 14:19.13 | Jucato | is the KDE 4 Desktop Search project basically dead? (was it Strigi?) |
| 14:19.26 | Sutoka | Jucato: Strigi is alive and well |
| 14:19.41 | Jucato | ah good to hear. |
| 14:19.49 | Sutoka | Jucato: it replaced the now-dead Kat project (it stalled and i think the main developer is missing or something) |
| 14:20.07 | Jucato | heheheh the Kat versus the Beagle :) |
| 14:20.18 | Sutoka | Strigi was originally called Kitten |
| 14:20.29 | Jucato | aw... why did it change? lol |
| 14:20.35 | Sutoka | not a clue |
| 14:20.38 | Sutoka | i like the name Kitten |
| 14:20.55 | Jucato | or Kat. whichever. I like both :) |
| 14:20.57 | Sutoka | Strigi sounds like String to me... |
| 14:21.06 | Jucato | lol same here |
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| 14:21.12 | Phlogiston | Jucato: any other idea... I mean where and how is ksmserver launched? Is this a script that i could open? |
| 14:21.12 | Sutoka | if your cat uses kde, it should be a kat! |
| 14:21.38 | Sutoka | Phonica: you can look in the startkde script (less `which startkde`) |
| 14:21.49 | Phlogiston | ehm sorry ;) |
| 14:22.19 | Jucato | hm.. too bad Strigi and Akonadi don't have one of those kool KDE 4 pages :) |
| 14:22.37 | Sutoka | ah right, Akonadi is another KDE4 project, i knew i forgot one! |
| 14:22.45 | Sutoka | its the only one with a K in the name i think to... |
| 14:22.48 | Jucato | hehe :) |
| 14:23.12 | Jucato | er.. heck Strigi doesn't even have a KDE page :P |
| 14:23.25 | Sutoka | Jucato: it has a page on another site |
| 14:23.42 | Jucato | http://strigi.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page ? |
| 14:23.51 | Jucato | ah there! Tenor |
| 14:24.23 | Jucato | it was Tenor that was "dead" |
| 14:24.38 | Sutoka | Tenor concept is kinda stalled, though theres another project thats working on implementing pretty much the same thing |
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| 14:26.42 | Jucato | Sutoka: I don't see a KDE or KDE4 page/link in Strigi's homepage (http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/) but I guess that would do :) |
| 14:27.07 | Sutoka | theres a kde apps entry |
| 14:27.15 | Sutoka | and its in kde's svn |
| 14:27.34 | Jucato | yeah. I was sort of looking for KDE/KDE4 pages to add to my bookmarks :P |
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| 14:27.59 | Sutoka | the last link you posted is pretty much the 'official' page i think |
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| 14:28.48 | Jucato | So far I have Plasma, Phonon, Solid, Appeal, Oxygen, Decibel (they have their own pages) and Akonadi (from pim.kde.org) |
| 14:29.09 | Jucato | there are. weather monitors lol |
| 14:29.24 | Sutoka | i think all of those are forks of liquid weather+ |
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| 14:30.06 | Jucato | tried making some SK themes. but I need to learn some bit of python first... :P |
| 14:30.13 | Sutoka | theres the Unity 'project' to reunite khtml and webkit |
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| 14:30.22 | Sutoka | its not universally supported by the khtml devs though |
| 14:30.24 | Jucato | and almost kinda pointless if Plasmoids are going to take over |
| 14:30.43 | cecule | How can i set konqueror as the default browser ? |
| 14:30.52 | Kyral | It should be already |
| 14:31.01 | Jucato | I think one dev said that he had big plans for KHTML, and those plans would only happen if Unity failed :) |
| 14:31.08 | cecule | How can i set konqueror as the default browser ? after firefox |
| 14:31.18 | benJIman | kcontrol -> kde components -> component chooser |
| 14:31.33 | cecule | no :( |
| 14:31.47 | Jucato | ? |
| 14:31.50 | cecule | does not change the default browser |
| 14:32.15 | cecule | i tried already |
| 14:32.19 | Sutoka | default browser in which apps? |
| 14:32.26 | cecule | firefox remains default browser |
| 14:32.40 | benJIman | cecule: perhaps you mean in gnome apps, which are obviously unaffected by KDE settings |
| 14:32.45 | Sutoka | some non-kde apps just ignore what settings are used |
| 14:33.16 | cecule | ah, ok thats possibele reason |
| 14:33.18 | cecule | thx |
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| 14:37.27 | Jucato | Sutoka: I really like to see KHTML improve. It's the only reason why I couldn't use Konqueror full time (granted that it's not KHTML fault really, but still...) |
| 14:38.09 | Jucato | I know I should quit complaining/wishing and start contributing, right? :) |
| 14:38.11 | benJIman | Jucato: What problems do you have with it now? |
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| 14:39.15 | Jucato | benJIman: mostly Google :) |
| 14:39.41 | Jucato | and I know that it's because Google doesn't use standard code (AJAX?) |
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| 14:41.00 | benJIman | Jucato: what things? |
| 14:41.02 | yeti | alt+mouse1 is bound to moving windows in my kde, how do i unset that? i need alt+mouse1 to be recognised by a user program |
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| 14:41.17 | benJIman | gmail ajax works, google callendar works, their custom homepage things work, google maps works |
| 14:41.22 | benJIman | Jucato: what more is there? |
| 14:41.32 | Jucato | benJIman: Calendar works? |
| 14:41.35 | benJIman | Jucato: yes |
| 14:41.45 | Jucato | hm.. might test that out again once I get back... |
| 14:42.08 | Jucato | was that added in KDE 3.5.5? coz last I checked, Konqueror didn't display anything in Calendar |
| 14:42.32 | Jucato | well, most WYSIWYG/Rich Text editors, even the one from Wordpress.com doesn't work |
| 14:43.34 | Jucato | so the WYSIWYG in Blogger/Blogger Beta doesn't work. Then Google Pages (but it's still in "beta") and Picasa Web Albums as well don't work |
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| 14:46.23 | Jucato | sometimes their custom/personalized home page modules don't work well, specifically the calendar and gmail modules |
| 14:46.30 | Jucato | gr.. I think I said too much... :( |
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| 14:48.14 | benJIman | Jucato: found a screenshot I did a while ago |
| 14:48.19 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/konq-googlecal.png |
| 14:48.41 | Jucato | what the heck? |
| 14:48.41 | Jucato | :( |
| 14:48.44 | benJIman | Jucato: anyway it's mainly custom browser specific hacks that cause problems. |
| 14:48.48 | Jucato | oooh SUSE! :) |
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| 14:49.51 | Aphorise | I have a problem with KDE which I saw referenced a few times on forums [but no solution].... after boot KDE starts but I get blank screen... I checked in logs - no errors, etc... but when I restart it it works fine.... what could be the problem? |
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| 14:51.30 | chimaera | hi. i'm having a little problem with knetworkmanager. after i log in i have to enter the PWD for kwallet. knetworkmanager pulls the WPA-passphrase from it, connects to teh network, everything works fine. if i don't immediately enter the pwd for kwallet, knetworkmanager stalls, the systray button disappears and i have to kill the process by hand before i can restart it. any ideas on this? |
| 14:51.34 | Jucato | benJIman: I'll probably ask you about that again once I get back my poor Linux pc... |
| 14:52.51 | Ash_Fox | How does one disable that blasted message pane in kmail? I feel paranoid with it enabled. |
| 14:52.57 | Sutoka | chimaera: knetworkmanager on my suse machine doesn't do that for me |
| 14:53.53 | Sutoka | Ash_Fox: Settings -> Configure KMail -> Appearance -> Layout -> adjust Message Preview Pane to "Do not show a message pane" |
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| 14:54.11 | Ash_Fox | Sutoka, thankyou, I couldn't remember where it was |
| 14:54.36 | chimaera | running kubuntu. anyhow, it's very annoying. when i'm logging in and then leaving the machine or just answering the phone bwfore entering the kwallet-PWd, the problem occurs. |
| 14:55.13 | Sutoka | try checking to see if theres a new version of knetworkmanager in ubuntu (knetworkmanager isn't an official kde app, it was created by suse) |
| 14:55.50 | chimaera | ah, i thought so. of course i already checked for updates. |
| 14:56.07 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.28 | Sutoka | svn checkouts? ugh... |
| 14:56.46 | Sutoka | whats ubuntu's obsession with using unreleased svn versions of programs? |
| 14:56.52 | Jucato | oh that's not the latest in Dapper |
| 14:56.59 | Jucato | knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1~svn-r575138-0ubuntu2~dapper1 (dapper-backports), package size 218 kB, installed size 1476 k |
| 14:57.11 | chimaera | using edgy.. |
| 14:57.12 | Jucato | that's the latest (optional) version |
| 14:57.15 | Jucato | er... |
| 14:57.24 | Sutoka | lol... so many variants |
| 14:57.56 | Jucato | Sutoka: those aren't variants. those are just different repositories |
| 14:58.05 | Jucato | er.. |
| 14:58.09 | Jucato | unless you're referring to Edgy? |
| 14:58.16 | Jucato | This is the version for Edgy: knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 213 kB, installed size 1448 kB |
| 14:58.23 | Sutoka | the different versions of ubuntu all with different packages |
| 14:58.25 | Jucato | (no svn anymore :P) |
| 14:58.37 | chimaera | jepp, that's the one i use |
| 14:58.51 | Jucato | Sutoka: Dappers is to Sarge as Edgy is to Etch (stable/testing) |
| 14:58.57 | Sutoka | my laptop is still in my bag so i can't check to see what version i have on suse |
| 14:59.13 | Jucato | s/Dappers/Dapper |
| 14:59.34 | Sutoka | except you can't just stay on dapper/edgy forever |
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| 14:59.46 | Sutoka | dapper/edgy are releases |
| 14:59.54 | Jucato | Sutoka: in Dapper's case, you can stay for 3 years (on desktop) and 5 years (on server) |
| 14:59.55 | chimaera | ubuntu's bugtracker shows no related problems. mhh. |
| 15:00.27 | Jucato | Sutoka: what do you mean by "versions" then? |
| 15:00.57 | chimaera | you can if edgy goes stable the next few days |
| 15:01.16 | Sutoka | well debian stable and debian testing aren't 'versions', they're just different branches that packages slowly filter through, you can just stay on 'debian testing' and never have to worry about adjusting your packages listing, or reinstalling to keep getting updates AFAIK |
| 15:01.27 | chimaera | it'S not like sid wich will always be still in development |
| 15:01.39 | Jucato | dapper, dapper-updates, dapper-security, and dapper-backports are not "versions" |
| 15:02.15 | Electrolyte | Well so far Flash 9 for Linux is doing well ;) |
| 15:02.17 | Electrolyte | Even for a beta. |
| 15:02.20 | Sutoka | dapper is to edgy what fc5 is to fc6 |
| 15:02.30 | chimaera | jupp |
| 15:02.36 | Jucato | Sutoka: hehe probably a better comparison :) |
| 15:02.39 | Sutoka | i don't like that |
| 15:03.06 | Electrolyte | Regarding Kubuntu Edgy, I'll be updating to that once it's stable and Dapper users can update to it without it causing damage to the OS. |
| 15:03.07 | Sutoka | i have friends i setup on fedora several years ago, that can't get any updates unless i go there and update the entire system for them to a new release of fedora |
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| 15:03.56 | Jucato | Sutoka: well, you still get updates on Dapper even if Edgy is released already. specially security updates |
| 15:04.01 | Sutoka | rolling updates like gentoo, and the debian stable/testing does i think is the best way, 'versions' should be for individual software packages and not distros |
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| 15:04.02 | chimaera | but that'S a flaw of fedora. still, ubuntu offers "whole" releases, unlike debians testin and unstable |
| 15:04.13 | Jucato | other "not so essential" updates are put in dapper-backports, if someone packages them |
| 15:04.18 | Sutoka | chimaera: 'whole releases'? |
| 15:04.51 | Sutoka | except over time dapper is gonna get less and less updates, until support is entirely dropped except for maybe security updates only |
| 15:05.02 | Jucato | Sutoka: regular stable releases are supported for 18 months. Dapper, since it's LTS, will be supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server |
| 15:05.02 | chimaera | like a fedora release. with the difference that you can update to the next release by just exchanging some words in your sources.list |
| 15:05.15 | Jucato | Sutoka: not really, since Dapper is LTS (it's a new thing) |
| 15:05.16 | benJIman | you probably can in fedora too. |
| 15:05.34 | Sutoka | you can update fedora to a newer release just by adjusting your sources.list |
| 15:05.38 | Electrolyte | By the way, will KDE 4 still be using aRts or is there any movement towards JACK? |
| 15:05.45 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: Phonon |
| 15:05.48 | Jucato | Electrolyte: definitely not |
| 15:05.55 | Electrolyte | Phonon? |
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| 15:06.15 | Jucato | Electrolyte: KDE 4 will not have a specific multimedia framework/engine tied to it |
| 15:06.18 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: you'll be able to choose Xine, ffmpeg via akode, NMM, aRts, or gstreamer at this point, no ones working on a JACK backend for Phonon yet |
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| 15:06.32 | rag | hi *, files config for kde-menu ? |
| 15:06.55 | Electrolyte | Sutoka - does this apply for the KDE System Notification sounds though? |
| 15:06.56 | rag | for add menu , categories on Start KDE Menu main |
| 15:07.08 | Jucato | Electrolyte: for all sounds |
| 15:07.09 | Sutoka | the kde devs learned their lesson about being tied to a specific media framework with aRts, then again with the gstreamer .5 bindings in SVN that broke with .6, then again with .10 |
| 15:07.14 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: all of kde |
| 15:07.44 | Electrolyte | Ah, just that I have to use artsplay for system notifications to play correctly, but sometimes it doesn't play the sound. |
| 15:07.51 | Jucato | Electrolyte: if you're up to a bit of reading: http://phonon.kde.org/ |
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| 15:08.08 | Electrolyte | Always willing to read for Linux :) |
| 15:08.11 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: i had to as well, i switched to 'play' from sox and haven't had a problem since, i also was able to disable aRts since its useless |
| 15:08.28 | Sutoka | rag: what do you mean exactly? |
| 15:08.34 | Electrolyte | play from sox? |
| 15:08.52 | Sutoka | rag: if you want to edit the kde menu, you can use the program 'kmenuedit' |
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| 15:09.17 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: 'play' is able to play most audio formats (mp3, wav, ogg, etc) and output it to alsa |
| 15:09.30 | Electrolyte | Hm, let me test that. |
| 15:09.41 | Q-collective | whereto put libflashplayer.so on the system again for konqueror to pick it up? I want to try the flashplayer9 beta :) |
| 15:10.02 | rag | Sutoka: on first thanks, no i know kmenuedit but i need modify for console or config files |
| 15:10.07 | Electrolyte | 'play' doesn't do anything Sutoka :( |
| 15:10.17 | rag | Sutoka: I am sure that it can it |
| 15:10.26 | Jucato | Q-collective: Scan for new plugins doesn't work? |
| 15:10.47 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: its a cli app, not a gui program fyi |
| 15:10.48 | Q-collective | Jucato: I just want to put it in the right place |
| 15:10.52 | rag | Sutoka: Where is backend of kmenuedit? |
| 15:10.56 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: sox may not be installed by default on your system |
| 15:10.57 | rag | Where is backend files of kmenuedit? |
| 15:10.58 | Jucato | hm. |
| 15:11.05 | Electrolyte | I'll check the Kubuntu repository. |
| 15:11.28 | Electrolyte | And it has it :D |
| 15:12.00 | Electrolyte | But it'll only play one sound at a time, unlike artsplay that'll play many at once :/ |
| 15:13.16 | rag | Sutoka: do you know?ç |
| 15:13.40 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: are you using an old kernel/alsa? if so update to a recent one with software mixing enabled by default |
| 15:13.57 | Sutoka | rag: not off the top of my head, the menu spec is here: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html |
| 15:14.06 | Electrolyte | Kernel 2.6.15-27-k7, not sure about ALSA version. |
| 15:14.17 | Electrolyte | But I have an Audigy 2 ZS with hardware mixing enabled. |
| 15:14.28 | Sutoka | then you shouldn't have a problem with playing multiple sounds |
| 15:14.57 | Electrolyte | Well, only artsplay will do that. |
| 15:15.04 | Electrolyte | ALSA/OSS/aRts do too. |
| 15:15.09 | Sutoka | then maybe you're using OSS instead of ALSA |
| 15:15.18 | Ace2016 | YAY flash 9 is here |
| 15:15.18 | rag | Sutoka: yeah i know it, but i need a tip for my target |
| 15:15.31 | Electrolyte | KDE is set to ALSA. |
| 15:15.49 | Sutoka | rag: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#paths <-- thats the part of the spec that deals with the file locations |
| 15:16.05 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: thats aRts, the kcontrol module is for configuring arts |
| 15:16.22 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: if you have ALSA and its that recent, then hardware & software mixing should work fine, no problem |
| 15:16.32 | Electrolyte | Let me check what version I've got. |
| 15:16.38 | fildo | *goners |
| 15:17.30 | Electrolyte | 1.0.10-4 according to Adept Manager |
| 15:18.34 | Sutoka | 1.0.12 looks to be the newest, 1.0.10 should work fine |
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| 15:18.45 | Sutoka | have you actually tried to see if it works? |
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| 15:19.09 | Electrolyte | Tried what? |
| 15:19.20 | Sutoka | playing multiple sounds at once w/o aRts |
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| 15:19.27 | rag | Sutoka: ok thanks, yesterday i worked on this files, but it's necessary i make other command or operation? or only file modifications? |
| 15:19.41 | novas0x2a | linux/kde-3.5.5: i'm having a problem where no apps can talk to dcop. i've checked permissions in my home dir (all of it), /tmp/k*-$USER, and poked around a bunch more, but haven't made any headway :( when i run dcopserver (or anything else) dcop starts up fine, but seemingly nothing can communicate with it |
| 15:19.45 | Electrolyte | Yes Sutoka - UT2004 does it. |
| 15:19.48 | Sutoka | rag: im not sure what you're wanting to do |
| 15:19.50 | rag | Sutoka: i understand i have "refresh" desktop when i modify files kde-menu |
| 15:20.24 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: all sounds from UT2004 count as a single sound source |
| 15:20.24 | rag | Sutoka: only modify with script or batch the kde-menu main |
| 15:20.36 | rag | Sutoka: add new categories and applications |
| 15:20.49 | rag | Sutoka: for then link to rss services and more... |
| 15:20.55 | Electrolyte | Well I can run TeamSpeak and UT2004 together. |
| 15:21.06 | Sutoka_crap | Electrolyte: then mixing works fine |
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| 15:25.37 | d0uglas | my superkaramba freezes on add hot new stuff to desktop.. it used to work, well, barely.. tried to remove --purge it, popped it back in, same problem. Is there some config file i should be removing as well to start from scratch? |
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| 15:26.09 | n3storm | hi everyone |
| 15:26.24 | d0uglas | n3storm: how's it hanging |
| 15:26.45 | n3storm | do you know a way to remove old entries at Network Places? |
| 15:26.58 | d0uglas | nope |
| 15:27.13 | d0uglas | samba specifically? |
| 15:27.17 | n3storm | no |
| 15:27.25 | n3storm | fish too |
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| 15:27.33 | Q-collective | hmm, seems that the flashplayer beta doesn't work :( |
| 15:27.35 | n3storm | I love the feature |
| 15:27.38 | Q-collective | oh well |
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| 15:27.53 | n3storm | but now I have some entries that doesn't exist anymore |
| 15:27.55 | d0uglas | what's fish |
| 15:28.08 | n3storm | and looks like a mess |
| 15:28.14 | n3storm | a trout :D |
| 15:28.31 | n3storm | d0uglas: fish=ssh for kde |
| 15:28.36 | Electrolyte | [16:27:36] <Q-collective> hmm, seems that the flashplayer beta doesn't work :( <-- Works here. |
| 15:28.54 | fred87 | fish:// does pretty much the same thing as sftp://, except in a different way |
| 15:29.08 | Q-collective | Electrolyte: where did you install it? |
| 15:29.20 | Q-collective | Electrolyte: any test sites? |
| 15:29.24 | Electrolyte | ./usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ |
| 15:29.31 | smacnay__ | Is there any special way to set up hal, pmount, and dbus to get pluggable devices working? |
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| 15:30.17 | Q-collective | smacnay__: dbus is not supported in kde3, you only need to setup hal and pmount |
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| 15:30.33 | Electrolyte | Good thing there's no sound lag in Flash 9 now. |
| 15:30.43 | Q-collective | Electrolyte: any test sites? |
| 15:30.51 | Electrolyte | http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk |
| 15:30.53 | Q-collective | I'm not really into this flash thing |
| 15:31.12 | Electrolyte | Well, Weebl is more of a comedy show :P |
| 15:31.34 | Q-collective | it uses flash 8 or 9? |
| 15:31.42 | Electrolyte | I haven't a clue what it uses. |
| 15:31.49 | Q-collective | right :) |
| 15:31.59 | Electrolyte | Just gonna check one that I know uses 8 actually. |
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| 15:35.44 | Electrolyte | It does work :D |
| 15:35.54 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 15:36.03 | Electrolyte | http://raffi.beyondunreal.com/files/darkpulse.html <-- If it loads, it's working. |
| 15:36.07 | Q-collective | youtube only gives a small version |
| 15:36.16 | Electrolyte | Don't click unless you want to hear weird voices :P |
| 15:36.23 | Q-collective | (small window) |
| 15:36.26 | Electrolyte | As in, click the sounds in the flash. |
| 15:37.03 | Q-collective | not working here |
| 15:37.36 | Electrolyte | You've not got it installed correctly then. |
| 15:38.29 | Q-collective | I tried it in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox and /usr/lib/browser-plugins |
| 15:38.35 | Q-collective | which are both valid dirs |
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| 15:39.26 | Electrolyte | Not into mozilla-firefox |
| 15:39.30 | Electrolyte | There's a plugins directory in there. |
| 15:39.32 | Electrolyte | Or should be. |
| 15:39.35 | Electrolyte | If not, create it. |
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| 15:40.07 | Sutoka | Q-collective: have you gone to Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Plugins and told Konq to scan for new plugins? |
| 15:40.37 | Q-collective | ofcourse |
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| 15:41.00 | Electrolyte | Argh. |
| 15:41.04 | Electrolyte | Flash plugin just crashed Konqueror. |
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| 15:41.19 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: :-P |
| 15:41.36 | Sutoka | i haven't had konqueror taken down even when flash segfaults (like trying to make youtube videos go full screen |
| 15:41.39 | Electrolyte | Any ideas what to do with sox play then Sutoka? artsplay is getting annoying now ;( |
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| 15:42.21 | Sutoka | Electrolyte: it should just work, i guess this is just another cause of ubuntu-strikes-again! |
| 15:42.31 | Electrolyte | Oh :( |
| 15:42.35 | Jucato | :P |
| 15:42.59 | Sutoka | when did it ever thin? |
| 15:43.07 | Electrolyte | Well, it was the only distro that would work on my system. |
| 15:44.09 | Q-collective | ah, kicking out all the dirs and rescanning for plugins helps |
| 15:44.11 | Q-collective | yay |
| 15:44.21 | d0uglas | why would i want a desktop with a smelly foot on it? |
| 15:44.26 | n3storm | Jucato: I am a proud Kubuntu user |
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| 15:44.39 | Jucato | n3storm: sssshhh. not in here |
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| 15:44.44 | Electrolyte | :P |
| 15:44.44 | n3storm | XDD |
| 15:44.50 | Sutoka | Jucato: kubuntu generally heavily patches their software and releases SVN checkouts which makes problems very hard to solve |
| 15:45.01 | Electrolyte | Let's hope they make a better distro with Kubuntu Edgy :) |
| 15:45.01 | Q-collective | man, flash9 is crashy though |
| 15:45.02 | Q-collective | :\ |
| 15:45.11 | Electrolyte | Yeah. |
| 15:45.16 | Electrolyte | Crashed my Konq too. |
| 15:45.16 | yeti | Q-collective, there's flash9 for linux? |
| 15:45.22 | Q-collective | yes |
| 15:45.23 | Jucato | yeti: yes. beta |
| 15:45.25 | Electrolyte | It's beta though. |
| 15:45.26 | yeti | Q-collective, i didn't even know there was flash8 for linux! |
| 15:45.31 | Electrolyte | There isn't. |
| 15:45.35 | Q-collective | there isn't |
| 15:45.37 | Electrolyte | They skipped 8 and went straight o 9. |
| 15:45.41 | Q-collective | they skipped it |
| 15:45.42 | Electrolyte | to* |
| 15:45.53 | yeti | oh. okay. reasonably good news imo |
| 15:45.57 | redbox | Anyone know why when I set up Krfb to allow uninvited connections and forwarded the port, etc, when I try to access it via Krdc it tells me "Connection Failed. The server does not accept new connections" ? |
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| 15:46.31 | vitriol | anybody know why konsole might not be accepting changes to preferences? |
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| 15:46.38 | vitriol | i can't save any changes....like saving a default size of a konsole window, or transparency |
| 15:46.42 | Electrolyte | I need to figure out why krfb causes 100% CPU usage on the machine I'm controlling via Krdc. |
| 15:47.21 | Q-collective | lol @ the slashdot announcement though: "According to the official Penguin.SWF blog, the a beta release of the long-awaited Flash 9 for Linux is available for download, a mere year after the release for Windows." |
| 15:47.23 | Q-collective | :P |
| 15:47.55 | vitriol | anybody? |
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| 15:48.41 | Electrolyte | Well it is true Q-collective. |
| 15:48.47 | Electrolyte | They were a little sloppy on it's time. |
| 15:48.49 | Commanace | flash 9 for linux? hm... how "beta" is it? :P |
| 15:48.51 | SimAtWork | Q-collective: and still no support for 64 bit |
| 15:48.56 | Commanace | ah |
| 15:48.58 | Electrolyte | Commanace: It crashes Konq quite often. |
| 15:49.13 | Electrolyte | Only with Flash 8 and 9 though so far. |
| 15:49.13 | Q-collective | Commanace: first beta |
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| 15:49.33 | Commanace | ok,... think i'll wait then :) |
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| 15:50.34 | Sutoka | flash9 has been mostly stable for me, it segfaulted nsplugin when i tried to fullscreen a youtube video though |
| 15:51.01 | smacnay__ | Q-collective: thanks |
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| 15:57.36 | novas0x2a | how do i debug a communication problem with dcop? namely, dcopserver starts ok, but seemingly no app can communicate with it |
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| 15:57.45 | tuxick | how on earth can a dialog with working "ok" button pop up yet refuse to close? |
| 15:57.56 | tuxick | i know it's normal konq screws up on javascript |
| 15:58.12 | tuxick | but at least it should allow closing the debug/warning popup that's taking focus |
| 15:58.15 | Sutoka | novas0x2a: does 'kdcop' work? |
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| 16:00.23 | novas0x2a | Sutoka: it starts, yes |
| 16:00.33 | Sutoka | novas0x2a: and nothing is listed? |
| 16:00.47 | novas0x2a | nope, nothing |
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| 16:01.37 | novas0x2a | when i run apps, i get a lot of "DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket" |
| 16:01.54 | novas0x2a | (this is linux/kde-3.5.5) |
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| 16:02.48 | Sutoka | novas0x2a: and you said you made sure all the files in /tmp had the correct permissions? mainly the contents of /tmp/.ICE-unix/ |
| 16:02.50 | Sutoka | ? |
| 16:02.56 | sharp25 | how do i permanently alter the font size in konsole? |
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| 16:03.38 | amitron | How does one set an interval for checking mail in KMail? |
| 16:03.59 | Sutoka | sharp25: change it in the settings menu, then go into settings again and click 'Save as Default' |
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| 16:04.03 | novas0x2a | Sutoka: yep, and .ICE-unix is 777 root:root, and everything in it is 700 with myuser:myuser |
| 16:04.20 | Sutoka | novas0x2a: that looks right, thats quite odd |
| 16:04.37 | sharp25 | Sutoka: thank you, apparenly i'm blind today. |
| 16:05.35 | novas0x2a | Sutoka: the only odd things i've done in the past day or so is run wireshark with sudo rather than one of the guiapps, which is apparently a bad idea. i tried it again, though, and straced it to see what files it touched, and it didn't mess with anything important |
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| 16:06.21 | novas0x2a | my initial guess was a perms problem, but i've checked everything i could think of, and everything was ok |
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| 16:07.04 | amitron | How does one set an interval for checking mail in KMail? |
| 16:08.17 | Sutoka | amitron: go into the settings -> edit the recieving account and adjust the interval mail checking |
| 16:09.18 | amitron | Sutoka: a menu? |
| 16:09.52 | Jucato | amitron: it's in the Receiving tab, near the bottom |
| 16:10.03 | Sutoka | amitron: Settings menu -> Configure KMail -> Accounts -> click the account and then click Modify -> and enable "interval mail checking" and adjust the time |
| 16:10.23 | Jucato | lol you can't get more detailed than that :) |
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| 16:10.41 | Sutoka | i could make screenshots... |
| 16:10.51 | amitron | Sutoka: Thanks |
| 16:10.59 | Jucato | lol |
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| 16:11.09 | Jucato | that'd be too much |
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| 16:12.19 | novas0x2a | .. err |
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| 16:12.45 | novas0x2a | Sutoka: i killed dcopserver and then ran kdcop and let it start it itself |
| 16:12.54 | novas0x2a | now kded and klauncher show up, but won't expand |
| 16:13.54 | novas0x2a | and i got the attachInternal error again, as well as the warning that there was a communication problem with kded |
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| 16:15.32 | novas0x2a | i also got "ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 24385, errno = 95" |
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| 16:18.14 | novas0x2a | errno 95 is EOPNOTSUPP? .. odd |
| 16:20.26 | novas0x2a | Sutoka: any further ideas? |
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| 16:36.37 | floyd_n_milan | how do i disable mplayerplug-in in konqueror? i want it for firefox though |
| 16:38.17 | thiago | are you sure it isn't the kmplayer kpart? |
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| 16:39.15 | floyd_n_milan | thiago, that i've installed as well. but mplayerplug-in shows up as well now |
| 16:39.22 | floyd_n_milan | i just want the kmplayer part |
| 16:42.29 | thiago | is that a Netscape plugin? |
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| 16:43.13 | floyd_n_milan | thiago, yes, for mozilla.. its gtk :/ i want that for firefox and kmplayer for konqueror |
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| 16:43.41 | floyd_n_milan | is there a way to manually disable plugins i don't want? |
| 16:43.43 | thiago | move the nsplugin to a directory that mozilla searches, but not Konqueror |
| 16:43.55 | thiago | no, you can only disable per-directory |
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| 16:45.41 | RichiH | is there any way to make kmobiletools stop atuostarting? |
| 16:46.00 | RichiH | it's annoying as all hell as most of the time, guess what, my phone is _not_ attached! |
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| 16:46.21 | RichiH | so _if_ it thinks it needs to autostart, at least be quiet about not finding a phone |
| 16:46.27 | RichiH | but no |
| 16:46.36 | RichiH | anyway, where does it hide itself and how can i kill it? |
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| 16:46.56 | RockMan | RichiH: it DOESN't use any autostart option |
| 16:47.09 | RichiH | RockMan: why or how does it start, then? |
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| 16:47.21 | RockMan | RichiH: with every kde application, if you close session with some applications, it will restore them |
| 16:47.34 | RockMan | (by default, of course) |
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| 16:47.51 | RichiH | RockMan: i regularly close it |
| 16:47.59 | RockMan | it doesn't seems so |
| 16:48.08 | RichiH | it disappears from kicker, as well |
| 16:48.13 | RockMan | maybe you just put it in the tray |
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| 16:54.03 | Hoki_Workin | home time |
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| 17:07.59 | Phlogiston | Could aynone help me with that? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-508492-start-0-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html |
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| 17:10.16 | oGALAXYo | Phlogiston: fix your XOrg installation |
| 17:10.30 | Phlogiston | grrrr I'm sorry its not X! |
| 17:10.34 | Phlogiston | X is running fine... |
| 17:10.43 | Phlogiston | runs the whole day! |
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| 17:10.54 | oGALAXYo | again |
| 17:10.56 | oGALAXYo | Phlogiston: fix your XOrg installation |
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| 17:11.21 | Phlogiston | oGALAXYo: Wtf? =) |
| 17:11.30 | Phlogiston | oGALAXYo: Ok I fixed and now I have the same problem... |
| 17:11.43 | oGALAXYo | you fixed what ? |
| 17:11.45 | Phlogiston | I don't have any EE in my Xorg.log so I can't fix anything more |
| 17:11.51 | oGALAXYo | could you explain in detail what exactly you fixed ? |
| 17:11.56 | Phlogiston | dga |
| 17:11.59 | Phlogiston | extmod |
| 17:12.03 | oGALAXYo | thats not the problem |
| 17:12.03 | Phlogiston | and I recompiled X |
| 17:12.06 | Phlogiston | ok what then? |
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| 17:12.14 | oGALAXYo | thats also not the problem |
| 17:12.19 | Phlogiston | of course no ;) |
| 17:12.27 | oGALAXYo | xset: bad font path element (#360), possible causes are: |
| 17:12.27 | oGALAXYo | look there |
| 17:12.29 | Phlogiston | could you please tell me whats it now |
| 17:12.37 | Phlogiston | hmm really? =) |
| 17:12.46 | oGALAXYo | once you fix your font paths, permissions and fixed the font.dir you should be fine |
| 17:12.51 | Phlogiston | why has kde something to do with that? |
| 17:12.54 | oGALAXYo | typical gentoo people.. |
| 17:12.56 | Phlogiston | oh |
| 17:13.01 | Phlogiston | really? tell me why? |
| 17:13.02 | oGALAXYo | "i know all" and now they are stuck with broken system |
| 17:13.09 | Phlogiston | :-D |
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| 17:13.20 | Phlogiston | But why was it then working with the same config before? |
| 17:13.20 | oGALAXYo | use a proper system if you cant handle fixing your font issues. |
| 17:13.30 | oGALAXYo | again |
| 17:13.32 | oGALAXYo | its no CONFIG issue |
| 17:14.20 | oGALAXYo | read your error report carefully.. (the link you provide). |
| 17:14.20 | Phlogiston | I will fix them... |
| 17:14.54 | oGALAXYo | and look at the kmsmserver issues too |
| 17:15.10 | Phlogiston | I thinkt that is the issue |
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| 17:23.35 | Phlogiston | are you still here oGALAXYo? ;) |
| 17:25.21 | Commanace | hm... i checked out the kde3.5 source files from svn. Now i'd like to compile the kaddressbook. Now it seemes to me as if it was only possible to compile the whole KDE PIM... But i only wanted kaddressbook, nothing else... |
| 17:26.55 | Sutoka | you can compile individual parts only |
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| 17:28.10 | Commanace | Sutoka: hm? |
| 17:28.32 | Phlogiston | Ok now my Xorg.log has not even a Warning in it.... so what??? |
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| 17:31.18 | Commanace | .../3.5/kdepim/kaddressbook |
| 17:31.18 | Commanace | is that the right path for the addressbook? |
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| 17:32.50 | Commanace | at least there's no makefile |
| 17:37.55 | Phlogiston | Are you here oGALAXYo? |
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| 17:58.15 | redbox | is there no way to run a vnc server ontop of my current kde? I can only get tightvnc to work as its own standalone X server.. |
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| 18:02.55 | litb | be warned: http://www.golem.de/0610/48480.html |
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| 18:09.01 | Sho_ | For the non-German folks: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2006-0720.html / http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2006-4811 |
| 18:09.20 | Sho_ | & https://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-723 |
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| 18:15.54 | TheWheat | does anybody know how to change the view mode of konqueror to be persistent? |
| 18:16.11 | SimAtWork | what do you mean? |
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| 18:16.54 | PhilRod | save the view profile |
| 18:17.01 | PhilRod | settigns -> save view profile |
| 18:17.26 | TheWheat | i change the mode to be "detailed list view". i save it but when it go to media:/ it changes to the normal icon view |
| 18:17.44 | PhilRod | oh, there might be a .directory file there |
| 18:17.54 | PhilRod | actually, that seems wrong |
| 18:19.06 | PhilRod | hrm, I can't reproduce that behaviour, and I can't see any way to get a .directory file into media:/ |
| 18:19.13 | TheWheat | sorry if i go to "media:/" it still works but if i navigate into any drives shown it will change to icon view :( |
| 18:19.24 | PhilRod | ah, let me see |
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| 18:20.34 | PhilRod | no, can't reproduce that either - turn on "view hidden files" in those directories, and see if any of them have a .directory file |
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| 18:22.29 | TheWheat | :( there is no .directory file present |
| 18:22.51 | TheWheat | im using kubuntu if that would make any diff. |
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| 18:23.53 | TheWheat | i notice that when it happens the google search bar also appears meaning its changing into the "Kubuntu web" profile. any way to disable this profile change? |
| 18:23.53 | TheWheat | "" |
| 18:24.44 | _olaf | hi all |
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| 18:29.34 | odla | is there a kwin-style for qtcurve? |
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| 18:30.23 | benJIman | odla: There's none specifically intended for use with it, but you can use any kwin decoration with it |
| 18:30.31 | PhilRod | hi _olaf |
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| 18:31.01 | odla | i am just trying to find a nice kwin style to use with qtcurve and i can't really find one i like |
| 18:31.47 | kuba | hi, is which program you can add a note (with yellow cards) - you know |
| 18:32.04 | kuba | zomg |
| 18:32.16 | kuba | which program can add* |
| 18:32.29 | Sho_ | kuba: KNotes |
| 18:32.34 | kuba | ty |
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| 18:49.03 | mrwoody | Hi *. Is it a bad idea to have kmailrc synchronized within two computers? why accounts need the funny number? can two computer share the same number? |
| 18:51.07 | thiago | mrwoody: if you copy the kmailrc, the account numbers will be the same |
| 18:51.16 | thiago | make sure you copy the kmail dir too |
| 18:51.27 | mrwoody | thiago, sure... my question is : would that cause any problem? |
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| 18:51.54 | mrwoody | thiago, why do account need a number? if both computers try to retrieve the mail, would there be a problem? |
| 18:52.08 | mrwoody | thiago, two machine ago? |
| 18:52.10 | thiago | if you're using IMAP, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:52.23 | thiago | mrwoody: I had a computer and copied its kmailrc to a new one. Then I copied it to the current one. |
| 18:52.24 | mrwoody | thiago, I use imap-cache |
| 18:52.34 | thiago | right, I'm using dimap too. Should be ok. |
| 18:52.43 | mrwoody | thiago, ok, thanks! |
| 18:52.45 | thiago | the account numbers are just KMail's internal way of referring to your account. |
| 18:53.00 | mrwoody | thiago, why don't they just use the account name? |
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| 18:53.51 | Commanace | hm... i'm really too stupid i guess... what SVN-tree do i have to check out if i only whant the kaddressbook source? |
| 18:53.51 | Commanace | is it http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdepim/kaddressbook/?rev=597244 ? |
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| 18:54.41 | teatime | Commanace: looks like it, yeah |
| 18:55.03 | thiago | Commanace: kdepim |
| 18:55.04 | Commanace | why is there no makefile? |
| 18:55.09 | teatime | Commanace: but you'll need things from the root directory (kdepim) as well to be able to build it |
| 18:55.22 | thiago | Commanace: you need to get things from the kdepim dir and follow the Subversion build instructions |
| 18:55.32 | teatime | :) |
| 18:57.00 | Commanace | uh... much to read... mom |
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| 18:57.58 | Commanace | thiago: what Subversion build instructions are you talking about? theese: http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html ? |
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| 19:01.04 | thiago | These look more complete: http://quality.kde.org/develop/cvsguide/buildstep.php (step 3 and on) |
| 19:01.17 | thiago | but I really recommend using kdesvn-build |
| 19:01.20 | thiago | much simpler |
| 19:02.37 | Commanace | ok, thanks |
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| 19:03.49 | backtick | hi all.. kopete doesn't flash taskbar entries in Xfce.. (Gaim reportedly does).. any ideas? |
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| 19:04.49 | thiago | does it work in another environment, other than Xfce and KDE? |
| 19:05.51 | Commanace | if you tell me what the meaning of "flashing taskbar entries" is, i could tell you if it works on fluxbox |
| 19:05.55 | backtick | not sure.. (haven't tested) |
| 19:06.22 | backtick | Commanace: it makes the window entry on the taskbar blinks |
| 19:06.42 | thiago | Commanace: whenever someone sends you a message in Kopete, the taskbar entry in kicker flashes to indicate attention-request |
| 19:06.50 | thiago | flash = turn highlight on and off |
| 19:07.00 | Commanace | ok, doesn't work :P |
| 19:07.20 | Commanace | but i didn't try to make it work |
| 19:07.53 | Commanace | i've this nice (annoying ms-style) bubbles :P |
| 19:07.57 | thiago | backtick: do other KDE applications flash properly? |
| 19:08.23 | backtick | thiago: I don't use any other applications that flashes their entries |
| 19:08.32 | thiago | backtick: try konsole |
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| 19:08.54 | backtick | what event makes it flashes the entry? |
| 19:10.33 | thiago | monitoring for activity |
| 19:10.44 | thiago | maybe you have to configure that |
| 19:12.21 | backtick | it pops a KDE-style tooltip |
| 19:12.24 | backtick | not flashing |
| 19:13.13 | thiago | configure it to do so |
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| 19:14.48 | Pay542 | what is more resourceful KDE or Gnome ? |
| 19:15.12 | MinceR | resourceful? |
| 19:15.21 | Pay542 | what is faster should i say |
| 19:15.40 | Pay542 | every few months i am always switiching between kde and gnome |
| 19:15.42 | backtick | thiago: configured so in events.. still only pops a tooltip .. (i'm using a tail -f test) |
| 19:15.57 | Pay542 | i think the only reasonm i like gnome is becasue i program in GTK |
| 19:16.06 | thiago | Pay542: then you're better equipped to tell us which one feels faster for you |
| 19:16.07 | Pay542 | and i hate programming for something when i am using QT |
| 19:16.25 | thiago | Pay542: nitpicking: QT = QuickTime; Qt = Trolltech's toolkit |
| 19:16.33 | Pay542 | Qt |
| 19:17.08 | thiago | backtick: I don't know then. It would seem the events aren't being correctly handled then by the KDE apps -- or xfce. |
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| 19:21.40 | backtick | hmm |
| 19:21.49 | backtick | KNotify crashes regularly |
| 19:21.52 | Pay542 | i think i am going ot go back to KDE |
| 19:21.56 | backtick | maybe it's the reason |
| 19:23.54 | smacnay__ | are there default keystrokes for navigating menus (root menu) and switching desktops? |
| 19:23.55 | thiago | backtick: might very well be |
| 19:24.16 | thiago | smacnay__: Alt+F1, Ctrl+Tab, Ctrl+F1, Ctrl+F2, Ctrl+F3, Ctrl+F4 |
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| 19:24.39 | smacnay__ | thiago: thanks - great |
| 19:27.22 | Sho_ | Pay542: According to this study, KDE uses less memory than Gnome: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/ |
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| 19:28.05 | Pay542 | .7 of gtk-qt is out |
| 19:28.11 | Pay542 | i guess it been out |
| 19:28.17 | Pay542 | is it pretty stable now ? |
| 19:28.48 | smacnay__ | When I try to plug in a usb device, I get a popup konq window but also an error telling me that some message was not allowed to be sent to recipient. Do I need the filesystem on the device to be owned by either user or group accessible by me? |
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| 19:35.00 | thiago | smacnay__: can you get the exact error message? |
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| 19:40.39 | smacnay__ | thiago: sure... just a sec |
| 19:40.57 | smacnay__ | A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal") |
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| 19:41.47 | thiago | your D-Bus configuration doesn't allow KDE's MediaManager to mount the device |
| 19:41.51 | thiago | fix your D-Bus config. |
| 19:41.58 | thiago | it is probably a distribution glitch. |
| 19:42.14 | smacnay__ | thiago: pk, I will look in /etc |
| 19:42.56 | thiago | /etc/dbus-1/system.d, most likely |
| 19:45.20 | smacnay__ | thanks |
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| 19:46.46 | B-Minus | hello all ! |
| 19:47.08 | PhilRod | hi B-Minus |
| 19:47.13 | B-Minus | how are you |
| 19:47.37 | PhilRod | fine thanks - I was trying to work out whether your nick is a grade, or a subatomic particle. If the latter, cool :-) |
| 19:48.09 | B-Minus | hehe im not sure what it is either, i chose it 10 years ago when i was drunk and never changed it |
| 19:48.28 | Theory | is it meant as "b minus" or b--? |
| 19:48.48 | B-Minus | ive a question, in previous versions my kde menu could be transparant, now i cant see the option anymore :s |
| 19:48.56 | B-Minus | its B-- |
| 19:48.57 | B-Minus | :p |
| 19:49.10 | B-Minus | nah just b minus |
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| 19:56.20 | smacnay__ | thiago, found all the files, now to determine exactly how to alter dbus... :) |
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| 20:08.39 | poopybutt | how do i properly forward for ktorrent? |
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| 20:15.03 | Deformative-II | What in kde starts with startkde? I don't want the accual session, just the things that it starts, like kwim, and kdesktop, arts. |
| 20:16.04 | pinotree | Deformative-II: startkde does actually that |
| 20:16.21 | Deformative-II | That's it? |
| 20:16.24 | Deformative-II | No others? |
| 20:16.34 | pinotree | well, all the needed things |
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| 20:16.46 | Deformative-II | I would like to know what. |
| 20:16.55 | pinotree | just read startkde then |
| 20:17.04 | pinotree | it's a shell script, nothing morew |
| 20:17.06 | pinotree | more* |
| 20:17.19 | Deformative-II | Because gnome-session starts gnome-panel, nautilus, and mentacity, along with whatever was open last time the session was closed. |
| 20:17.29 | Deformative-II | and without it running, my cpu usage is much much lower. |
| 20:18.29 | pinotree | Deformative-II: what's your problem? |
| 20:18.45 | Deformative-II | Uh, I wanted to just start parts of kde. |
| 20:18.47 | Deformative-II | Not everything. |
| 20:19.03 | Deformative-II | And I was curious to what applications "startkde" really starts. |
| 20:19.04 | pinotree | define "parts" |
| 20:19.25 | Deformative-II | BEcause there is no reason for my cpu to idle at 15 percent, when in gnome it idles at 2-3. |
| 20:19.31 | pinotree | ??? |
| 20:19.51 | pinotree | i have less than 5% of cpu when idle |
| 20:20.01 | Deformative-II | You are not on a laptop. |
| 20:20.05 | Deformative-II | With a P-III |
| 20:20.07 | Renze | I have less than 2% idle |
| 20:20.09 | benJIman | Deformative-II: sounds like you have something wrong with your kde setup. |
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| 20:20.13 | Deformative-II | At 800 mhz. |
| 20:20.37 | Renze | I didn't have that much on my PII 266 |
| 20:20.46 | Deformative-II | Hmm. |
| 20:20.47 | pinotree | Deformative-II: then, instead of just cutting random things, investigate what app(s) suck use(s) cpu |
| 20:20.53 | benJIman | Even so, if it's actually idle it wouldn't be using cpu, clearly it's doing something, what KDE is starting will depend on your distro setup, some run beagle or kat in the background for example |
| 20:20.56 | Renze | use the power of top |
| 20:21.09 | Deformative-II | But I don't wish to use all services kde provides anyway. |
| 20:21.17 | pinotree | sigh... |
| 20:21.25 | Renze | Deformative-II: why are you being so evasive? |
| 20:21.38 | Deformative-II | And my mem usage is through the roof, I have never used more than 40% before, and I am at 45% right now.. |
| 20:21.54 | Deformative-II | And top only says "kdeinit" over and over. |
| 20:22.02 | Renze | press "c" |
| 20:22.08 | Renze | wow, you have an old version of KDE |
| 20:22.16 | Deformative-II | Yes I do. |
| 20:22.38 | benJIman | newer KDEs are far more memory efficient than older. |
| 20:22.43 | SAS_Spidey01 | Ksysguard usually shows me over 250~400MB of memory usage but I run on avg over 150 proccesses |
| 20:23.01 | benJIman | SAS_Spidey01: kinfocenter will show you a more appropriate usage |
| 20:23.08 | SAS_Spidey01 | What do you get Deformative-II ?? |
| 20:23.14 | Deformative-II | I am not one who likes to compile, or even install from the "current" package repository. I just like using the default stuff that comes on the freebsd 6.1 cd. |
| 20:23.24 | Deformative-II | Uh, one sec. |
| 20:23.45 | Renze | Deformative-II: then you only have yourself to blame |
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| 20:23.51 | benJIman | Hmm I've only seen kdeinit showing for the process name on red hat . |
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| 20:24.08 | S4mdf0o1 | hi there |
| 20:24.29 | Deformative-II | Now, what did you want SAS_Spidey01? |
| 20:24.48 | SAS_Spidey01 | I was just curious how much memory (in MB) your system is using |
| 20:25.20 | Deformative-II | Uh 286,616 kb. |
| 20:25.24 | Deformative-II | That is uber high. |
| 20:25.35 | Renze | do we need another lesson in modern memory management? |
| 20:25.42 | Deformative-II | For having only xchat open. |
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| 20:27.17 | Renze | much of that is shared, and not actually in use at all. learn about how memory management works in Linux first. |
| 20:28.10 | Deformative-II | I am not a linux user, maybe you should learn that if a wm is good, you shouldn't even need to defend it in the first place. |
| 20:28.14 | Deformative-II | Erm, de. |
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| 20:28.41 | Renze | I'm not defending the DE, I'm explaining the way modern OSes manage memory, and how you can't trust the numbers reported to you. |
| 20:29.28 | Deformative-II | Well, that's fine, but with gnome, I get like eh, I dunno, 23% when I start it? |
| 20:29.36 | Deformative-II | I mean 45% on start is crazy. |
| 20:29.45 | Renze | top, for example, shows how much memory the app and all the libraries are using if that was the ONLY app using those libraries... so when you total them all up, you add together that shared memory multiple times |
| 20:29.49 | Deformative-II | Why does it need to open so much is beyond me. |
| 20:29.54 | jyoungxx | anybody know how to get temporary root access to copy a file in the konqueror browser to /usr folder without reloading konqueror as root? |
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| 20:30.58 | S4mdf0o1 | jyoungxx> just emulate a konsole in konqueror to sudo/su |
| 20:31.07 | miekko | depends. it's easy with the "show terminal emulator" thingy in the window menu |
| 20:31.23 | miekko | then do what S4mdf0o1 said |
| 20:31.26 | Renze | (k)ubuntu remove that menu entry for some reason |
| 20:31.43 | miekko | Renze: that's why I switched from kubuntu |
| 20:31.50 | jyoungxx | I know I could do that I just wanna see if there is a feature that will let you use the "Copy To" menu |
| 20:32.00 | Renze | miekko: that's why I never started using it in the first place :) |
| 20:32.09 | miekko | Renze: good thinking. |
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| 20:32.33 | S4mdf0o1 | jyoungxx> maybe customizing the Copy to entry, with kdesu |
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| 20:33.47 | jyoungxx | ok thx |
| 20:34.07 | S4mdf0o1 | I've removed the icons to set display type in the toolbar of konqueror |
| 20:34.16 | S4mdf0o1 | howto recover them ? |
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| 20:35.08 | jyoungxx | Settings -> Toolbar |
| 20:35.18 | jyoungxx | oh wiat |
| 20:36.06 | Renze | S4mdf0o1: the easiest way is to revert all user changes by moving ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc to another name and restarting konqueror (that includes killing any preloaded instances) |
| 20:36.06 | S4mdf0o1 | yes but I can't find which entry for those shortcuts !? |
| 20:36.57 | jyoungxx | good question |
| 20:37.01 | S4mdf0o1 | okay !... |
| 20:37.08 | S4mdf0o1 | thanks Renze ! |
| 20:37.15 | Renze | no problem |
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| 20:37.28 | S4mdf0o1 | ;) |
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| 20:54.40 | Windwalker78 | Can somebody tell me how to switch languages with CTRL+SHIFT? 10X in advance. |
| 20:56.00 | Deformative-II | Hmm, I decided the only thing i want to carry over to my gui is kdesktop. |
| 20:56.12 | Deformative-II | Lol, Kdesktop with Gnome Panel, with Enlightenment as the wm. |
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| 20:56.59 | Commanace | Deformative-II: hm... very individual combination... does this make any sense? |
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| 20:57.15 | Renze | users rarely make sense ;) |
| 20:57.26 | Deformative-II | Does my choice make sense or does your statement make sense? |
| 20:57.48 | Windwalker78 | Can somebody tell me how to switch languages with CTRL+SHIFT? |
| 20:57.54 | Deformative-II | Yeah, well, I am not really a fan of eather DE, but I do think they have their strengths. |
| 20:58.21 | Deformative-II | For example, I like Kdesktop, and I hate nautlius. |
| 20:58.31 | Deformative-II | And I hate xfce all together. /me shurgs. |
| 20:58.44 | Deformative-II | I just hope the time it takes to start x will not be too long. |
| 20:59.34 | Commanace | Deformative-II: if your choise makes sense. I mean all kde components fit together very well. so do the gnome desktop elements. Why divide them then? |
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| 21:00.02 | thiago | Windwalker78: the shortcut is Ctrl+Alt+K |
| 21:00.24 | Windwalker78 | I know but I need to switch languages with CTRL+SHIFT |
| 21:00.42 | Windwalker78 | I use cyrrilic and K in cyrrilic is not K in latin |
| 21:00.50 | Deformative-II | Well, I will find out how well it fits in a minute when I restart X, Commanace. |
| 21:00.50 | Renze | you can't using just two modifiers... you need a real key in there too |
| 21:00.54 | Deformative-II | Be right back. |
| 21:01.06 | Commanace | Deformative-II: good luck :P |
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| 21:01.28 | Renze | frankenstein's monster of a desktop for that guy |
| 21:01.32 | Windwalker78 | In gnome there is a way. I have seen KDE making this too but not by me :( |
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| 21:02.00 | Deformative-II | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.02 | Deformative-II | Oops. |
| 21:02.06 | Deformative-II | That accually loaded pretty fast. |
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| 21:03.41 | Deformative-II | The major problem at this point looks like the icons are under the panel. |
| 21:04.12 | S4mdf0o1 | in that theme, I recently found a great shortcut editor in KDE : in Accessibility->Actions entries |
| 21:04.26 | Renze | Input Actions |
| 21:04.46 | S4mdf0o1 | sorry I traduced from french :D |
| 21:05.31 | Renze | merde :) |
| 21:05.36 | S4mdf0o1 | have someone made the voice recognition functionnal ? |
| 21:05.43 | Renze | not yet |
| 21:05.44 | S4mdf0o1 | aye ! lool |
| 21:05.57 | Deformative-II | The CPU usage is a bit high. |
| 21:06.32 | S4mdf0o1 | wel... :/ |
| 21:06.44 | S4mdf0o1 | nor with sphinx ? :) |
| 21:07.10 | Deformative-II | Well, I dunno, Imma work on it some more, maybe finish my theme, and come back here later. |
| 21:07.16 | Deformative-II | B-bai. |
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| 21:08.05 | mfroes | hey .. can someone help ??? where do i set the color for radiobutton checkbox etc ??? |
| 21:08.22 | Renze | that is only settable internally in some styles |
| 21:09.19 | mfroes | Renze, thanx man |
| 21:09.26 | Renze | no problem |
| 21:10.43 | S4mdf0o1 | it makes me think : is there a way to set a default CSS for webpages with missing color definitions ? |
| 21:10.43 | S4mdf0o1 | I explain : I prefer dark backgrounds, so ... light test |
| 21:10.43 | S4mdf0o1 | but some sites sometimes sets background but not text, so light on light ! :S |
| 21:10.52 | Renze | bad sites |
| 21:11.23 | Renze | flame the webmaster :D |
| 21:11.25 | S4mdf0o1 | I know, but many ! |
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| 21:11.41 | S4mdf0o1 | and some linux/man/debian docs ! |
| 21:11.44 | Renze | they probably use FrontPage or something :D |
| 21:11.46 | mfroes | but on style it's set a color but on the app that's another |
| 21:11.49 | novas0x2a | could someone help me with this bug? It's essentially crippling my system :/ http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135977 |
| 21:13.39 | Deformative-II | Mkay, this accually works well. |
| 21:13.40 | S4mdf0o1 | no idea on my side :P |
| 21:13.53 | Renze | novas0x2a: I'm using gentoo packages (split ebuilds) with gcc 4.1.1 and not experiencing any dcop problems at all |
| 21:14.03 | Deformative-II | I am not so sure that there isn't a better panel out there than gnome panel, but I didn't really like any of the others. |
| 21:14.09 | Deformative-II | So this is the way it's gonna be for now. =) |
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| 21:14.45 | novas0x2a | Renze: i think it's a permissions problem or something, but i've checked everything i could think of, with no joy :/ |
| 21:15.00 | novas0x2a | like i said in the bug, it all works as root |
| 21:15.11 | Renze | novas0x2a: I can't think of anything else to check beyond what is listed in your bug report |
| 21:15.36 | S4mdf0o1 | I experienced a problem of that kind trying to connect DCOP from a cron job executed by root ... |
| 21:16.23 | Renze | novas0x2a: I doubt it has anything to do with dcopserver, but check your permissions on /var/tmp/kdecache-<user> too |
| 21:17.06 | Renze | novas0x2a: and on /tmp itself |
| 21:17.17 | novas0x2a | both ok :/ |
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| 21:18.00 | novas0x2a | is there any way to get stuff to spit out more debug info? i already have startx logging to a file |
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| 21:18.10 | Renze | strace ? |
| 21:18.12 | novas0x2a | and kdebugdialog has everything checked |
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| 21:18.22 | novas0x2a | the problem with strace is i don't really have any idea what to strace |
| 21:18.30 | novas0x2a | i've been poking around at different binaries |
| 21:18.42 | novas0x2a | but nothing even remotely unusual is happening |
| 21:18.51 | Renze | novas0x2a: ps ax | grep dcop |
| 21:19.07 | novas0x2a | yup, it's running |
| 21:19.32 | stoned | I usually have a panel at the bottom, on which I display the desktop pager. I actually deleted the panel, fired up kpager, and set that borderless window force, position force, where my panel used to be, since kpager does a better job than the kicker applet for desktop pager. The problem I am facing now is that it is always on top, everytime I maximize an application. I want the behaviour, such that I can still maximize the windows, but them |
| 21:19.32 | stoned | only maximizing to the top edge of the kpager at the bottom, kinda like a panel, but wihtout having one |
| 21:19.33 | amigan | I'm trying configure an input action that will use dcop to send a keypress to an ncmpc instance running inside konsole....however, apparently there is no way to use wildcards with the konsole app identifier in the input actions control panel. Am I missing sonething? |
| 21:19.35 | suckacracka | anyone got flash to work with konqueror? |
| 21:19.39 | stoned | can this be accomplished? |
| 21:19.41 | Q-collective | Renze: If you're interested, koffice 1.6 is in portage btw |
| 21:19.46 | stoned | I cannot make it work |
| 21:19.51 | Renze | Q-collective: I'll get that soon :) |
| 21:19.55 | Q-collective | :) |
| 21:20.31 | Renze | suckacracka: flash 7 yes |
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| 21:20.53 | suckacracka | Renze: what directory do i put the library in? |
| 21:21.05 | qupada | Q-collective: yeah, i saw that. i cc'ed myself on the bug. going to install it now |
| 21:21.11 | Renze | stoned: could forcing the window type to "dock" work? |
| 21:21.21 | Renze | suckacracka: anywhere you want, then you tell konqueror where to look |
| 21:21.26 | Q-collective | suckacracka: I got flash 9 working with konqueror, but the beta release is still very crashy |
| 21:21.39 | suckacracka | Where is the config option? |
| 21:21.47 | stoned | let me see |
| 21:21.55 | Renze | suckacracka: Settings -> Configure Konqueror, Plugins page |
| 21:22.12 | Renze | suckacracka: if you don't have that page, then you're missing a package on your distro |
| 21:22.13 | qupada | the odd crash is perferable to "the site you are trying to view requires flash 8 or later" |
| 21:22.16 | stoned | Renze, what? |
| 21:22.29 | qupada | besides, it's not like flash7 didn't crash things often enough |
| 21:22.32 | stoned | qupada, !!! whats goin on my main man homie dude bro |
| 21:22.40 | Renze | stoned: under special window settings, you can force the window type... try setting it to "dock" |
| 21:22.46 | stoned | qupada qupada qupada |
| 21:22.54 | stoned | I don't see the "dock" option |
| 21:23.07 | qupada | lol, not much stoned |
| 21:23.35 | stoned | ohhh |
| 21:23.36 | stoned | I get it |
| 21:23.37 | Renze | stoned: Workarounds tab, Window type: force, dock |
| 21:24.14 | stoned | Renze, application still max's out full screen |
| 21:24.36 | Renze | stoned: oh well, was worth a try. I've never tried to do what you're trying, so I'm just guessing :D |
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| 21:24.42 | stoned | oh |
| 21:24.45 | stoned | thanks for being a tool |
| 21:24.48 | stoned | :) |
| 21:24.50 | suckacracka | thanks Renze: 'emerge konq-plugins' did the trick |
| 21:24.51 | Renze | stoned: try some of the other window types |
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| 21:24.57 | stoned | what would I do without you |
| 21:25.02 | stoned | I know what I would do |
| 21:25.06 | stoned | I'd use a fucking panel again |
| 21:25.16 | Renze | wise move :D |
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| 21:29.33 | SAS_Spidey01 | Mmm konq-plugins |
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| 21:32.19 | novas0x2a | .. something that might be important is i get: "DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket" |
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| 21:35.54 | Renze | novas0x2a: I'd add that to the bugreport, if I were you |
| 21:37.09 | novas0x2a | good idea |
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| 21:42.39 | steveire | Hey, is it possible to access proxy configuration from the CLI? |
| 21:42.51 | thiago | steveire: yes, with kreadconfig |
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| 21:43.13 | thiago | I don't know what the config keys are, though. |
| 21:43.31 | steveire | Cheers. I'm reading the man page now. I'll be back to you I'm sure. |
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| 22:05.14 | steveire | thiago: kreadconfig --file kioslaverc --group "Proxy Settings" --key httpProxy. I can do kwriteconfig similarly. I'm gonna try and manipulate this in python, and I'm sure there's a better way than os.system('') to do it. Do you know what library I need to import to read/write config? |
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| 22:06.35 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 22:07.33 | PhilOut | steveire: you'd have to look into PyKDE and PyQt |
| 22:07.40 | ObsidianX | Ace2016: 3.5.5? |
| 22:07.45 | Ace2016 | yup :) |
| 22:07.51 | ObsidianX | whats changed? |
| 22:08.07 | PhilOut | steveire: but kreadconfig and kwriteconfig should DTRT, so apart from the annoyingness of using os.system(), there shouldn't be a problem, I guess |
| 22:08.29 | steveire | Yeah, I don't see a problem. What is DTRT? |
| 22:09.05 | novas0x2a | do the right thing |
| 22:09.18 | Ace2016 | ObsidianX: Kdesu no longer needs a password if sudo doesn't need a password |
| 22:09.26 | ObsidianX | ah |
| 22:09.37 | ObsidianX | i dont use sudo, so oh well :) |
| 22:10.27 | Ace2016 | why don't you use sudo, it removed the need to keep typing the root password |
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| 22:12.05 | Renze | Ace2016: it adds a security hole |
| 22:12.18 | Ace2016 | yea but its so much more conveniant |
| 22:12.39 | Renze | isn't that the microsoft mantra? ;) |
| 22:12.53 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 22:12.55 | Ace2016 | i like it |
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| 22:14.35 | MinceR | no, the m$ mantra is "it lets us get more profit" |
| 22:15.00 | Renze | I'm pretty certain it is "security? what's that?" |
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| 22:15.53 | smileaf | "Everyone thinks we suck.. but we'll show them! Lets build a vacuum cleaner!" -- Bill gates |
| 22:18.17 | SAS_Spidey01 | lol |
| 22:19.35 | Renze | A microsoft vacuum cleaner wouldn't suck... literally... |
| 22:20.00 | smileaf | Renze: you have figured it out! |
| 22:20.04 | PhilOut | but but but - because it didn't suck, it would suck! |
| 22:20.24 | PhilOut | and the logical impossibility would cause the universe to explode |
| 22:20.26 | PhilOut | or something |
| 22:20.47 | smileaf | PhilOut: or the would and wouldn't would cancel out leaving "it suck" |
| 22:20.51 | ObsidianX | Ace2016: i'd rather have to type in the root password every time so i know i couldn't possibly do any damage mindlessly |
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| 22:21.46 | Ace2016 | oh ok, but kdesu is great though |
| 22:23.36 | ObsidianX | i can see why that'd be convenient :) |
| 22:25.19 | Renze | smileaf: the 'kde sucks' troll? |
| 22:25.21 | smileaf | tho you have to admit.. his stupidity is kinda humorous =) |
| 22:25.35 | smileaf | Renze: yes |
| 22:26.00 | smileaf | his posts are flooding my rss even more than kde-look does anyway! :| |
| 22:26.09 | p00r | .w yes |
| 22:27.50 | SimAtWork__ | smileaf: heh |
| 22:27.59 | SimAtWork__ | smileaf: it's kinda funny actually |
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| 22:28.01 | SimAtWork__ | what a moron |
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| 22:28.21 | smileaf | SimAtWork__: "I use the KDE OS .. haha .. I are smrt! :D" |
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| 22:29.45 | SAS_Spidey01 | Any one try using GNU/GNOME ? |
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| 22:30.02 | SAS_Spidey01 | Nice setup, GNU userland and protype GNOME kernel xD |
| 22:30.24 | smileaf | gnome kernel??... |
| 22:30.32 | qupada | smileaf: you know |
| 22:30.38 | Renze | well, if KDE is an OS, Gnome must be too |
| 22:30.41 | qupada | they took all the features out because they confused users |
| 22:31.38 | smileaf | I'm so glad the gnome os removed support for IDE write support.. I'm not quite sure how I would have figured that one out! :) |
| 22:31.57 | qupada | things like in place of what used to be the driver for cd/dvd-rom drives is now just called 'retractable cup holder', and only has eject functionality |
| 22:33.39 | Renze | ha |
| 22:33.39 | qupada | cd drive snaps... coke pours in through cracks/vents in the case... electrical short... pc breaks... customer sues |
| 22:33.39 | qupada | and the cycle of life is complete |
| 22:33.52 | Renze | the american dream: to be hit by a Coke truck, and live |
| 22:34.01 | smileaf | qupada: and the customer gets electrocuted while trying to drink it with a straw. |
| 22:34.37 | smileaf | Renze: really??.. and I always thought it was to be called obease... :( |
| 22:35.01 | Renze | I resemble that remark :/ |
| 22:35.21 | smileaf | Renze: you american? |
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| 22:35.25 | Renze | nope |
| 22:35.32 | smileaf | wait.. I know the answer to that.... |
| 22:35.34 | smileaf | duh |
| 22:35.49 | smileaf | Renze: you have no right to be obese!!... |
| 22:36.05 | Renze | smileaf: pay for the liposuction then |
| 22:36.08 | qupada | let's sue him for that too |
| 22:36.21 | qupada | :D |
| 22:36.34 | smileaf | qupada: who are we suing? |
| 22:36.47 | qupada | Renze, for taking away an american's right to be obese |
| 22:36.52 | qupada | how i'm not sure |
| 22:37.12 | smileaf | Right!.. anyone know of an opensource lawyer? |
| 22:37.33 | Renze | lawyers don't like opensource... no money in it |
| 22:38.05 | smileaf | Renze: darn.. I was hoping I could try and filter out the ones that were not free... |
| 22:38.22 | qupada | i dunno, the lawyers working for sco that are trying to sue ibm seem to think there is some money to be had |
| 22:38.31 | qupada | they're quite clearly wrong, but nevertheless |
| 22:38.35 | Renze | sco still exists? |
| 22:39.08 | qupada | i don't imagine it will be long before they run out of money |
| 22:39.34 | smileaf | qupada: depends on how much more M$ is going to continue supporting them :S |
| 22:40.07 | qupada | this is true. although what microsoft has to gain exactly is beyond me |
| 22:40.28 | smileaf | qupada: one less company to pay for its patients? |
| 22:41.07 | smileaf | I'm sure IBM could potentially start suing M$ for thousands of things its violating =) |
| 22:41.28 | smileaf | after all.. its a software patient.. not like it can be that specific. |
| 22:41.58 | qupada | shall we start with "conflict of interest", in that case? |
| 22:42.04 | SimAtWork__ | i'd like to patent dividing by 2 by shifting right. |
| 22:42.05 | SimAtWork__ | oh wait |
| 22:42.08 | SimAtWork__ | that's already patented |
| 22:42.35 | smileaf | SimAtWork__: carefull .. you might get sued for disclosing a company secret... |
| 22:42.43 | SimAtWork__ | crap |
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| 22:44.47 | SimAtWork__ | anyone try using the lightscribe in linux yet? |
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| 22:52.04 | lontra | digikam rocks :) |
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| 22:54.39 | ReedWood | hello folks, can someone tell me who I set kde to use utf8 encoding? |
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| 23:03.00 | ReedWood | sorry: I am on debian/sid/amd64 kde 3.5.5 |
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| 23:04.17 | lontra | ReedWood: have you tried #debian-kde too? |
| 23:04.28 | ReedWood | no, god tip... |
| 23:04.46 | lontra | though it's currently quite quiet |
| 23:05.10 | ReedWood | lontra: sure |
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| 23:08.06 | rc | hey guys, whats going on with Kontact? - the site is a bit outdated and there have been few changes to the app recently |
| 23:09.07 | ReedWood | rc: I think there is a transition to qt4 to do, and recently many changes have been done to krita and kexi |
| 23:09.24 | Renze | kontact is just a container app for kparts provided by other apps |
| 23:10.02 | ReedWood | Renze: sorry, it is late.. i should go... |
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| 23:10.36 | rc | Renze: of course but the same is true of most PIM apps |
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| 23:11.04 | Renze | there have been changes to the components embedded by kontact |
| 23:11.51 | rc | ok, lets take the Calendar app for example - how can I find out how Exchange integration is coming along |
| 23:12.00 | rc | where are those changes documented? |
| 23:12.20 | Renze | but point releases tend to be bug fixes, so any major changes will probably happen in KDE4 |
| 23:12.24 | Renze | in the release notes |
| 23:13.07 | Renze | http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_4to3_5_5.php |
| 23:13.11 | rc | sure, I get the picture. I'm not knocking the app, I think it has great potential |
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| 23:18.48 | feindbild | hi =) |
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| 23:23.13 | SimAtWork__ | what is "kommander" ? |
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| 23:23.54 | punkcut | Is it possible to get a panel that has two rows on it? |
| 23:24.06 | Renze | punkcut: make it larger |
| 23:24.22 | punkcut | I did. but it just makes everything bigger |
| 23:24.46 | Renze | I have three rows on mine |
| 23:25.24 | punkcut | I would like to put the kicker and quicklaunch icons under the open windows applet |
| 23:25.46 | Renze | kicker is the whole panel |
| 23:25.58 | Renze | you cannot stack applets currently |
| 23:26.21 | Renze | you should describe your wants more carefully... I thought you were referring to the taskbar applet |
| 23:26.33 | punkcut | sorry. Im not used to kde terminology |
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| 23:27.30 | SimAtWork__ | punkcut: it's ok. |
| 23:27.39 | SimAtWork__ | punkcut: just right click on the current one and add another one |
| 23:27.43 | SimAtWork__ | then you can place it wherever you want |
| 23:27.55 | SimAtWork__ | right click, add new panel |
| 23:28.06 | punkcut | yah i know how to use it... ok ill just risk getting flamed. |
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| 23:28.13 | punkcut | I want it to work kind of like windows |
| 23:28.26 | SimAtWork__ | doesn't help me |
| 23:28.30 | SimAtWork__ | i haven't used windows for some time |
| 23:28.38 | punkcut | where the start and quicklaunch icons can be placed vertically under the active windows |
| 23:28.44 | Renze | I haven't used windows since 1998, so you will still have to describe it |
| 23:28.50 | punkcut | lemme find a screen shot |
| 23:28.52 | SimAtWork__ | make a screen shot |
| 23:29.42 | jdrake | Has anyone used qt4 enough to know how it would perform on a low speed machine like a p2/266 (laptop)? |
| 23:30.41 | SimAtWork__ | jdrake: better than qt3 |
| 23:30.51 | SimAtWork__ | dont' know if that will help you though |
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| 23:32.42 | SimAtWork__ | goodbye all |
| 23:32.46 | jdrake | night |
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| 23:36.39 | punkcut | nvm SimAtWork__ I actually got it to behave in a way acceptable for me. I wanted to use the quick launch applet and instead I was just clicking and dragging programs to the panel to make shortcuts |
| 23:39.25 | Sutoka | jdrake: if you use only the cli stuff it should be fine, GUI classes as well may be sluggish, though i haven't tried it so if you do test it reporting how it does would be quite interesting |
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| 23:47.05 | StarScream | hmm kde 3.5.5 seems very quick |
| 23:47.14 | StarScream | just updated it...its really responsive |
| 23:47.25 | StarScream | not that 3.5.4 was sluggish |
| 23:47.39 | StarScream | but 3.5.5 is almost instant at everything on this machine |
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| 23:48.47 | Sutoka | StarScream: thats cause the kde devs are awesome, pretty much ever release of kde is faster and uses less memory than the previous |
| 23:49.45 | StarScream | Sutoka: yeh but i didn't realise it would affect a maintenance release this much. I can't wait for kde4 if 3.5.5 is running so quick |
| 23:50.58 | Sutoka | well theres a good chance that KDE4.0 won't be initially faster than KDE 3.5.5, but as the KDE4 series matures expect it to get blazingly fast |
| 23:52.23 | canllaith | .0 releases are generally a little messy :) |
| 23:52.55 | StarScream | heard an interview with one of the devs on TLLTS who said they promised kde4 would load quicker than xfce does now so if they are at least aiming for that kind of loading time its not going to be a huge wait if they don't manage to get there |
| 23:53.34 | Sutoka | StarScream: one of the kde devs has gotten kde3 to load almost as fast as xfce already |
| 23:53.59 | StarScream | Sutoka: that was with half of the kde-ness turned off though wasn't it ? |
| 23:54.35 | Sutoka | StarScream: yeah, and a warm cache, though it was just to initially prove it was possible for kde to challenge xfce in load time |
| 23:54.55 | Sutoka | StarScream: at aKademy i think he presented some more work though |
| 23:55.12 | StarScream | Sutoka: i imagine that pre-linking would help also but not many distro's ship it by default. |
| 23:55.22 | canllaith | It's already about that fast if you turn off running kbuildsycoca on start (not recommended, but kcontrol has the option) |
| 23:55.25 | StarScream | anyway its all very exciting. |
| 23:55.31 | canllaith | Actually, prelinking showed me no apparent gain on SuSE. |
| 23:55.47 | lontra | is there a network monitoring applet for kde? |
| 23:55.49 | StarScream | i find suse just slow in general though |
| 23:55.51 | Sutoka | prelinking works best on 64bit systems |
| 23:56.06 | StarScream | canllaith: what does kbuildsyscoca do ? |
| 23:56.06 | Sutoka | lontra: knemo i think is a NEtwork MOnitor |
| 23:56.17 | canllaith | Updates the system configuration cache |
| 23:56.45 | StarScream | why is that recommended not to be turned off ? |
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| 23:56.58 | canllaith | kde startup time really isn't an issue for me though, because I can't remember the last time I logged out |
| 23:57.01 | canllaith | StarScream: because it can cause problems |
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| 23:57.35 | mactek | hey canllaith :) |
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| 23:58.07 | Sutoka | StarScream: it may mess up like the kmenu and stuff if the config has changed, i think |
| 23:58.17 | StarScream | Sutoka: ah k. |
| 23:58.18 | bkudria | I have a twinview setup, and my kicker is only on one screen...is there anyway to have it on both? |
| 23:58.23 | StarScream | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.32 | Sutoka | bkudria: yes, go into KControl ... |
| 23:58.40 | bkudria | Aaah, i see it now |
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| 23:58.56 | bkudria | although really i would like a taskbar on both screens... |
| 23:58.59 | Sutoka | bkudria: KControl -> Peripherals -> Display -> Multiple Monitors and tick/untick the options you want/don't want |
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| 23:59.49 | bkudria | Sutoka: that kcm module is empty for me...although i guess that's a kubuntu issue |
