irclog2html for #kde on 20061101

`00:00.53`	`smileaf`	`and yes.. I'd agree, this is a bug.`
`00:00.53`	`Sho_`	`smileaf: In any case, I guess three different people being able to reproduce the setting not working is a cause for concern. The next step should be to collect our machine info to try to find a pattern. I use KDE 3.5.5 on Xorg X11 7.1 with a Logitech MX1000 using the evdev driver.`
`00:02.01`	`smileaf`	`kde 3.5.5 Xorg 7.1 and a M$ mouse using the mouse driver.`
`00:02.35`	`smileaf`	`protocol "IMPS/2", ZAxisMapping "4 5" Buttons "5"`
`00:03.00`	`Sho_`	`no pattern, which means that it's probably not a driver but a KDE bug`
`00:03.03`	`Sho_`	`-> time to report :)`
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`00:06.35`	`Winrocks`	`I have a question,you can find it strange ,but ....`
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`00:07.21`	`Winrocks`	`can you hear the sound from my pc ?`
`00:07.32`	`smileaf`	`no`
`00:07.41`	`Winrocks`	`sure ?`
`00:07.47`	`smileaf`	`quite positive`
`00:08.05`	`Winrocks`	`it is strrnage`
`00:08.40`	`Winrocks`	`but one day,I played a music here and one of the chatters said: "This music is awsome,I should use it for a demo ! "`
`00:08.54`	`Winrocks`	`referring to the music I ws listening`
`00:09.05`	`Winrocks`	`how can this be possible ?`
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`00:09.18`	`icwiener`	`you were pwned? :D`
`00:09.30`	`Winrocks`	`?`
`00:10.39`	`qupada`	`woot. only two more levels and i've completed every level of katomic`
`00:11.02`	`Winrocks`	`so,nad be honest with me,it is impossible to do hear the sound output from my mpc ?`
`00:11.04`	`Winrocks`	`pc`
`00:11.06`	`Winrocks`	`*`
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`00:11.30`	`icwiener`	`Winrocks: I guess he was kiding you. I don't know a way an irc client can play the music of another chatter.`
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`00:12.15`	`Winrocks`	`maybe he connected to my pc,or used an opened port dedicated to the ric buffer ?`
`00:12.18`	`Winrocks`	`irc*`
`00:12.44`	`smileaf`	`oddly enough I think I've actually seen an option for that. I can't remember where or in what program tho..`
`00:13.36`	`Winrocks`	`an irc client ?`
`00:13.53`	`smileaf`	`I thought so.. don't ask me what one tho.`
`00:14.09`	`smileaf`	`just remember thinking "wtf??"`
`00:15.03`	`smileaf`	`Sho_: you report that?`
`00:15.24`	`Sho_`	`smileaf: Err, no ... it's your bug ;)`
`00:15.52`	`smileaf`	`oh ok :)`
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`00:16.36`	`Sho_`	`smileaf: But if you report it you can drop the link in a query later and I'll confirm I see it too ...`
`00:17.39`	`smileaf`	`give me a few minutes and I'll have the link for you`
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`00:24.49`	`smileaf`	`whoa... check out the left button one.. set it to cycle through windows.. it'll still do the default.. but other ones such as raise and lower work.`
`00:25.10`	`Sutoka`	`smileaf: sounds like 'cycle through windows' = FREAK OUT!!!!!`
`00:25.28`	`smileaf`	`Show Task List does the default action too`
`00:25.43`	`Sho_`	`seems pretty broken all around`
`00:26.42`	`smileaf`	`http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136602`
`00:26.59`	`smileaf`	`https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136602 <-- for you SSL people :)`
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`00:28.46`	`klerfayt`	`where is channel I can ask technical questions about kde composite manager?`
`00:29.08`	`smileaf`	`#kde-devel ?`
`00:39.13`	`freeone3000`	`Is there any way to get Konqueror to go into IE-quirks-only mode?`
`00:39.36`	`Sho_`	`No DOCTYPE = quirksmode`
`00:40.19`	`freeone3000`	`Nono, render pages more or less like IE would, for site testing.`
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`00:41.02`	`Sho_`	`freeone3000: If KHTML had 50 or 100 developers more, that may be possible to implement`
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`00:41.20`	`freeone3000`	`But the goals are towards making it better, not worse, eh? :P`
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`00:42.05`	`Jucato`	`hi Sho_! :)`
`00:42.09`	`Sho_`	`freeone3000: That, too. Plus, MSHTML probably exhibits undocumented behavior that even the MSHTML developers are not aware of (same for any engine). Bug-for-bug compatibility is almost impossible achieve with the incredible number of subtle differences between browsers.`
`00:42.12`	`Half-Left`	`hello!`
`00:42.21`	`Jucato`	`hi Half-Left!`
`00:42.35`	`Half-Left`	`hey Jucato`
`00:42.55`	`Half-Left`	`I gave into Slackware 11.0 :-)`
`00:43.04`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: Yeah ... :/`
`00:43.04`	`Jucato`	`ooh`
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`00:43.44`	`Jucato`	`Half-Left: Slack, Gentoo, and Arch are too hardcore for me right now... I'll dip into them some other time probably... :)`
`00:43.55`	`Half-Left`	`:)`
`00:44.01`	`smileaf`	`heh.. no action in the button actions is the default action!... the option its set to by default shouldn't be doing what its doing! x.x;;`
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`00:44.20`	`Jucato`	`O_o`
`00:44.56`	`smileaf`	`Jucato: kicker's taskbar config mouse button actions`
`00:45.16`	`Viper550`	`Jucato: I gave my Halloween theme one last touchup - http://bay01.imagebay.com/full_view.php?view=8486_halloweenslaststand.jpg`
`00:45.23`	`Jucato`	`oh`
`00:45.44`	`Sho_`	`Viper550: eww, Vista window deco ;)`
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`00:45.57`	`Viper550`	`I just think it looks nice Sho_`
`00:46.03`	`Sho_`	`otoh, Halloween is supposed to be scary, I guess`
`00:46.03`	`Jucato`	`scary! :)`
`00:46.06`	`Sho_`	`so it's a good fit`
`00:46.13`	`Jucato`	`lol`
`00:46.22`	`Viper550`	`Yeah, but to me it's just the eyecandy for the windec, guess the Windows propaganda scared you!`
`00:46.35`	`Jucato`	`darn, I didn't get to do anything "halloween-y" last night :(`
`00:46.48`	`mobtek_`	`Jucato: me either, I mean to do pumpkins and everything`
`00:47.03`	`mobtek_`	`so I will wait for southern hemisphere halloween`
`00:47.03`	`smileaf`	`Viper550: that windec was intentional right? just to scare Sho_?`
`00:47.04`	`mobtek_`	`:)`
`00:47.10`	`Jucato`	`well, me, nothing at all... no ghost hunting and stuff :(`
`00:47.13`	`mobtek_`	`as it's a seasonal festival`
`00:47.17`	`Viper550`	`smileaf: no, I just think it looks nicer`
`00:47.30`	`Viper550`	`I was going to use the Kubuntu buttons, but the Vista buttons look nicer`
`00:47.31`	`smileaf`	`Viper550: it was a joke! :P`
`00:47.33`	`mobtek_`	`april 30th here in au :)`
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`00:48.12`	`Jucato`	`no way! the kubuntu buttons for Crystal made by kwwii is far better than the Vista buttons :P`
`00:48.36`	`Jucato`	`s/vrom/from`
`00:48.43`	`Viper550`	`But, I still have the older buttons from an earlier build (not the glossy ones)`
`00:49.02`	`Jucato`	`ah...`
`00:49.27`	`Jucato`	`the Kubuntu Crystal buttons in Dapper sucked... :P`
`00:49.48`	`Jucato`	`they looked like callouses to me`
`00:49.49`	`Sho_`	`The default Edgy deco reminds me too much of Vista as well ;)`
`00:50.15`	`smileaf`	`yay for kde default window decoration!`
`00:50.17`	`Jucato`	`heheh. there's a "Vista" option for the buttons in Crystal`
`00:50.26`	`Jucato`	`plastik.... :)`
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`00:50.54`	`Sho_`	`Although KDE 3.4's Plastik deco was nicer`
`00:51.06`	`Sho_`	`The 3.5 version is too roundish`
`00:51.10`	`smileaf`	`I was using crystal.. then for some reason switched back and noticed how much quicker things moved :)`
`00:51.17`	`Jucato`	`hm... I don't recall that anymore... although Breezy shipped with 3.4.3..`
`00:51.37`	`Viper550`	`Sho_: Blame me, I suggested all-round gloss to kwwii`
`00:51.49`	`Jucato`	`Viper550: it wasn't only you`
`00:52.06`	`Viper550`	`and, I was even working on ideas for overlays with him one day!`
`00:52.16`	`Jucato`	`:P`
`00:52.18`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27731 <- comparison shots`
`00:52.21`	`smileaf`	`true.. someone had to implement it and commit the change. they are to blame as w ell :)`
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`00:53.02`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: The 3.4 one had a more defined upper edge, the 3.5 one is rounded out`
`00:53.14`	`Viper550`	`I only saw one difference: Color Scheme and the glyphs were white`
`00:53.38`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: that link is for 3.4's Plastik?`
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`00:53.55`	`_Sketch_`	`I've installed the kde-i18n-ja package, but my programs can't display Japanese text correctly. How do I get Ja text working?`
`00:53.55`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: That link has two screenshots, the first is 3.4, the second 3.5`
`00:53.57`	`smileaf`	`Sho_: I don't notice a difference :/`
`00:54.04`	`Sho_`	`Then you're blind ;)`
`00:54.05`	`Jucato`	`neither do I... :(`
`00:54.11`	`Renze`	`I do`
`00:54.11`	`Viper550`	`So, what should I try for my next redesign tommorow?`
`00:54.40`	`Sho_`	`You see no difference between the upper edge and gradient of the window title bars in those two shots? :)`
`00:55.03`	`Viper550`	`Sorta, but it's so subtle`
`00:55.10`	`smileaf`	`most I can tell between the 2 shots is the text is a little to the left and the buttons are either spaced out more or slightly larger.`
`00:55.15`	`Jucato`	`yeah... very subtle...`
`00:55.29`	`icwiener`	`One of the gradients is about two pixel higher.`
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`00:55.32`	`Jucato`	`not to mention that it might have been an effect of the Color scheme`
`00:55.44`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: Trust me, it's not`
`00:55.52`	`smileaf`	`yah.. if the color schemes were the same it might be easier to tell the difference`
`00:55.53`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: of course I do trust you :P`
`00:55.59`	`Viper550`	`oh yeah, the blue color scheme debuted on 3.4, teal was on 3.2-3.3`
`00:56.11`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: Although different interpretation of the color scheme colors is another difference of the two versions; the 3.5 deco generally looks darker`
`00:56.23`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: But regardless, the shading is also different`
`00:56.29`	`Sho_`	`I liked the 3.4 version much better :)`
`00:57.04`	`Viper550`	`I see a difference, but it's not a difference I'd care about!`
`00:57.13`	`Sho_`	`I do! :)`
`00:57.44`	`Sho_`	`I'm unfortunately rather sensitive to details like that`
`00:58.01`	`_Sketch_`	`Ah.. er.. KDE 3.5.5..`
`00:58.03`	`_Sketch_`	`Debian. Sorry. squints at the tiny text on his IRC client`
`00:58.17`	`Sho_`	`Which is a reason why I can't use many of the widget styles (like the horrid but mystifyingly popular Baghira) due to their corner-case rendering glitches`
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`00:58.59`	`Sho_`	`_Sketch_: You need fonts that have the required characters`
`00:59.50`	`_Sketch_`	`Sho_: I had fonts when I was using Gnome.. Any way to get those back?`
`00:59.51`	`smileaf`	`_Sketch_: mika-chan fonts is a good one to install :) http://mikachan-font.com/`
`01:00.46`	`smileaf`	`ok... bed time! nite all`
`01:01.01`	`Renze`	`倭`
`01:01.11`	`Viper550`	`502D?`
`01:01.19`	`smileaf`	`lol`
`01:01.23`	`Viper550`	`in a box?`
`01:01.32`	`Viper550`	`What the deuce does that mean?`
`01:01.45`	`smileaf`	`の`
`01:01.47`	`Viper550`	`or.......`
`01:01.51`	`Viper550`	`lol, unicode`
`01:02.23`	`Renze`	`ぽこちん`
`01:02.31`	`Jucato`	`... why do I see boxes only... :(`
`01:02.40`	`Renze`	`you don't have the right fonts installed`
`01:02.40`	`Viper550`	`I see japanese`
`01:02.42`	`Sho_`	`Because your fon't doesn't have the characters`
`01:02.46`	`Jucato`	`ah yeah.`
`01:02.49`	`Jucato`	`I forgot lol`
`01:02.51`	`Sho_`	`(fon't? scratches head)`
`01:02.57`	`Viper550`	`(me using Deja Vu Sans Mono)`
`01:03.04`	`Jucato`	`fon't = fo not ? :)`
`01:03.10`	`Sho_`	`And Qt3 unfortunately sucks at font substitution`
`01:03.17`	`Sho_`	`Qt4 does it much better, though`
`01:03.20`	`Renze`	`is Qt4 better?`
`01:03.22`	`Renze`	`cool`
`01:03.45`	`Jucato`	`oh yeah... ubuntu...`
`01:03.46`	`Jucato`	`@_@`
`01:03.48`	`Viper550`	`under KDE`
`01:03.55`	`Jucato`	`O_o`
`01:04.16`	`Renze`	`Viper550: Konversation is better than XChat`
`01:04.36`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: is it "the font I'm using does not have Japanese" or "I haven't installed Japanese fonts"??`
`01:04.38`	`Viper550`	`I used to use Konversation full time though...but it seemed a bit too complex`
`01:04.41`	`Renze`	`_Sketch_: if that was a valid reason, we'd all still be using Windows :P`
`01:05.02`	`Jucato`	`lol! My personal experience is just the opposite of Viper550's :)`
`01:05.14`	`Renze`	`konversation? complex? wow, you must have been drunk ;)`
`01:05.30`	`_Sketch_`	`Renze: Ew, you're right.`
`01:05.43`	`mobtek_`	`heheh`
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`01:06.29`	`Viper550`	`Renze: It had too many features, I didn't need that much`
`01:06.34`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: It's a mixture of both`
`01:06.44`	`Viper550`	`Besides, I used to use Gnome...`
`01:06.48`	`Renze`	`Viper550: XChat has more features than Konversation`
`01:06.50`	`Jucato`	`aaah...`
`01:07.02`	`Viper550`	`really, X-Chat seems a bit simpler and easier to use`
`01:07.06`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: To a certain degree, a font engine would do well to use characters from another font when the primary font chosen does not have Japanese characters, but Qt3 does so rather poorly`
`01:07.13`	`Viper550`	`Gnome HIG FTW`
`01:07.37`	`Renze`	`Gnome treats it's users like idiots`
`01:07.40`	`Viper550`	`Jucato: X-chat can do that too`
`01:07.45`	`Renze`	`s/it's/its/`
`01:07.52`	`_Sketch_`	`I noticed that about Gnome, actually..`
`01:07.54`	`Jucato`	`Viper550: I meant that XChat only has that :)`
`01:07.57`	`Sho_`	`Renze: X-Chat has recently decided it would be cool idea to remove 70% of its functionality from its GUI, so Konversation may in fact appear more complex now, although their UI design is still arcane and fragemented`
`01:08.16`	`Viper550`	`xchat-gnome is more like what you descriped Sho_`
`01:08.16`	`Renze`	`Sho_: ah, they are going the Gnome route, eh?`
`01:08.31`	`Sho_`	`Renze: yup`
`01:08.40`	`Renze`	`what fools these mortals be`
`01:08.48`	`Viper550`	`Renze: Not exactly, there is a new fork of X-chat called X-Chat Gnome which follows the HIG a bit more`
`01:09.05`	`Renze`	`Gnome's HIG can burn in heck ;)`
`01:09.25`	`Jucato`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:09.33`	`Sho_`	`Viper550: No, I don't mean xchat-gnome, I mean regular X-Chat. Over the last few releases, they've gradually removed options from their GUI. It's quite amusing in fact to see X-Chat users yell at each other about it, party A claims party B is a moron because party B doesn't see an option party A sees.`
`01:09.37`	`Renze`	`Hell, Michigan`
`01:09.52`	`Viper550`	`me use 2.6.4`
`01:10.12`	`_Sketch_`	`One thing I miss from Gnome, though.. I used to be able to hit Win+D to minimize/raise all windows. How do I do that?`
`01:10.22`	`Viper550`	`p.s. Amarok 1.4 - MUSIC STORE BABY!`
`01:10.36`	`Renze`	`ctrl-win-d does that for me... but your shortcuts may vary`
`01:10.47`	`Sho_`	`Viper550: I was hit by that as well a few weeks ago, actually. I was improving something about how Konversation handles file names with spaces in file transfers and wanted to test interoperability with X-Chat. I was told X-Chat had an option to toggle replacing whitespace with underscores in its UI, but I couldn't find it. Turned out it was removed and morphed into an obscure /set call.`
`01:11.15`	`Jucato`	`_Sketch_: keyboard shortcuts`
`01:11.27`	`Jucato`	`_Sketch_: the default shortcut is Ctrl+Alt+D`
`01:11.35`	`_Sketch_`	`.. Oh. :D`
`01:13.58`	`Sutoka`	`_Sketch_: win+d does that for me`
`01:14.13`	`i_love_beer`	`where do I download open sores software`
`01:14.18`	`Sutoka`	`oh nvm, people already answered`
`01:14.33`	`Jucato`	`:P`
`01:14.38`	`Sutoka`	`i_love_beer: i don't know where you download open sores software, but if you want open source software, sourceforge.net has a lot`
`01:15.01`	`i_love_beer`	`ok it's called "open source"`
`01:15.02`	`Renze`	`if you want open sores, sleep with a prostitute without protection`
`01:15.02`	`i_love_beer`	`my bad`
`01:15.09`	`Viper550`	`man, #amarok is so fun`
`01:16.48`	`Sho_`	`i_love_beer: www.freshmeat.net is a popular online catalogue of open source software`
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`01:22.18`	`Sutoka`	`who here _LIKES_ the apt bot, and who here wants to jam a spork in its eye (assuming it had one)?`
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`01:23.40`	`Viper550`	`how do I activated APT bot?`
`01:24.29`	`Sutoka`	`Viper550: say 'apt sucks'`
`01:24.36`	`Viper550`	`apt sucks`
`01:24.43`	`apt`	`For $5 I'll do more than that!`
`01:24.43`	`Renze`	`I tend to dislike bots in general, unless they remain almost completely silent`
`01:24.43`	`Viper550`	`!apt sucks`
`01:24.50`	`i_love_beer`	`lol`
`01:24.50`	`Viper550`	`!yum rocks`
`01:24.57`	`Sutoka`	`apt is just slow`
`01:24.59`	`Renze`	`no !`
`01:25.04`	`Sutoka`	`thats why it didn't respond right away`
`01:25.07`	`Renze`	`its trigger is ~`
`01:25.07`	`Sutoka`	`and apt uses '~'`
`01:25.07`	`Sho_`	`Renze: ditto`
`01:25.11`	`i_love_beer`	`KDE IS BIASED LOOK APT BOT AND NO EMERGE BOT`
`01:25.11`	`Viper550`	`(oh come on, Yum is slower than APT), or I forgot the !`
`01:25.21`	`Viper550`	`~apt sucks`
`01:25.23`	`apt`	`For $5 I'll do more than that!`
`01:25.23`	`i_love_beer`	`so you gonna drop support for all distros but debian?>??`
`01:25.34`	`Sutoka`	`i_love_beer: over Renze's dead body!`
`01:25.44`	`Viper550`	`just pay him $5, does apt accept paypal?`
`01:26.01`	`Renze`	`apt blows`
`01:26.02`	`apt`	`Me luv u long time.`
`01:26.08`	`Viper550`	`!apt sux`
`01:26.11`	`Sho_`	`i_love_beer: Considering you're in #kubuntu, which is a Debian derivative ... ;)`
`01:26.15`	`Viper550`	`!apt is slow`
`01:26.21`	`Renze`	`Viper550: ! doesn't work`
`01:26.29`	`Sutoka`	`apt blows`
`01:26.30`	`apt`	`Me luv u long time.`
`01:26.33`	`Viper550`	`~apt is slow`
`01:26.37`	`i_love_beer`	`bbl`
`01:26.39`	`Viper550`	`~apt dux`
`01:26.41`	`i_love_beer`	`true true`
`01:26.44`	`i_love_beer`	`I run kubuntu`
`01:26.44`	`Viper550`	`~apt sux`
`01:26.45`	`apt`	`from memory, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root : http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about."`
`01:26.50`	`Sutoka`	`Viper550: no '!'`
`01:26.55`	`Renze`	`Viper550: and what you're doing now is why we want it gone`
`01:27.03`	`mobtek`	`~apt lart Renze`
`01:27.04`	`Viper550`	`sorry...used to use Ubuntu though`
`01:27.08`	`mobtek`	`kekek`
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`01:27.21`	`Sutoka`	`~learn moo moo moo moo moo moo`
`01:27.31`	`Renze`	`Larry the Cow?`
`01:27.57`	`XVampireX`	`Larry the Cow :P`
`01:27.59`	`Renze`	`~moo is moo moo moo moo moo`
`01:28.00`	`apt`	`ACTION moos at is moo moo moo moo moo`
`01:28.02`	`XVampireX`	`gentoo is not for you`
`01:28.06`	`Sutoka`	`~moo`
`01:28.08`	`apt`	`mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/`
`01:28.10`	`mobtek`	`heheh`
`01:28.25`	`Sutoka`	`ok, apt doesn't have to be sporked now`
`01:28.26`	`Sutoka`	`just for that`
`01:28.31`	`Sutoka`	`... at least for today`
`01:28.39`	`mobtek`	`~apt spork Sutoka`
`01:28.41`	`apt`	`ACTION tries to stab Sutoka with a spork and fails, then attempts to gouge out Sutoka's eyeballs. Success! The spork IS useful!`
`01:28.45`	`mobtek`	`hahaha`
`01:28.52`	`Jucato`	`:P`
`01:29.11`	`Renze`	`~lart mobtek`
`01:29.13`	`Sutoka`	`i must be related to that bot...`
`01:29.15`	`mobtek`	`every 6 months or so everyone discovers apt commands again :)`
`01:29.25`	`mobtek`	`haha Renze`
`01:29.35`	`Sutoka`	`~lart Jucato`
`01:29.42`	`Sutoka`	`wtf?`
`01:29.44`	`Jucato`	`ouch!`
`01:29.49`	`Jucato`	`~lart Sutoka`
`01:29.55`	`Sutoka`	`~lart apt`
`01:29.59`	`Sutoka`	`DAMN`
`01:30.01`	`Jucato`	`ahahaha`
`01:30.02`	`mobtek`	`hahah`
`01:30.04`	`icwiener`	`lool`
`01:30.06`	`Sutoka`	`~lart apt`
`01:30.10`	`Sutoka`	`:-(`
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`01:30.41`	`mactek`	`~apt lart mobtek`
`01:30.46`	`mactek`	`kekeke`
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`01:31.08`	`Sutoka`	`~lart ａpt`
`01:31.16`	`Sutoka`	`SUCCESS!`
`01:31.19`	`Renze`	`cheat!`
`01:31.22`	`XVampireX`	`You have the crazy !language thing?`
`01:31.39`	`XVampireX`	`~lart alpha-beta-omega`
`01:31.47`	`Sutoka`	`~lart me`
`01:31.53`	`Sutoka`	`WWWWHHHHYYYYYYY`
`01:32.19`	`Sutoka`	`~lart ａｐｔ`
`01:32.30`	`XVampireX`	`~lart apt`
`01:32.55`	`XVampireX`	`luckily me, I'm immortal`
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`01:33.35`	`Sutoka`	`~lart apt`
`01:33.44`	`Sutoka`	`yarrr... that'll never work`
`01:33.54`	`Sutoka`	`~lart XVampireX`
`01:33.57`	`XVampireX`	`~lart greister and TeaSea and sutoka and me`
`01:33.58`	`Sutoka`	`not anymore`
`01:34.18`	`Jucato`	`~botabuse`
`01:34.19`	`apt`	`Stop tormenting me!`
`01:34.20`	`Sutoka`	`~lart mooo mooo i am a mooooo cow doo doo doooooooo!!!!!`
`01:34.41`	`XVampireX`	`~make food`
`01:34.42`	`apt`	make: *** No rule to make target `food'. Stop.
`01:34.51`	`Sutoka`	`~make install`
`01:34.52`	`apt`	make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
`01:34.59`	`Jucato`	`~./configure`
`01:35.01`	`apt`	`rumour has it, ./configure is \"error: installation of configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables\" Diagnostics: read config.log to see what went wrong. Short probable answer: install libc6-dev. Better answer: run \"dselect update\" then go into \"tasksel\" and install the C/C++ development task. Removing config.cache is also a good idea if you ...`
`01:35.04`	`XVampireX`	`~love`
`01:35.05`	`apt`	`If you love <insert item> so much, why don't you marry it`
`01:35.16`	`XVampireX`	`~love apt`
`01:35.17`	`apt`	`If you love apt so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)`
`01:35.17`	`Sutoka`	`~love yourself`
`01:35.19`	`apt`	`If you love yourself so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)`
`01:35.30`	`XVampireX`	`lol`
`01:35.45`	`Renze`	`~die`
`01:35.46`	`apt`	`ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.`
`01:35.57`	`Sutoka`	`~quit`
`01:35.58`	`apt`	`No! You quit!`
`01:35.58`	`XVampireX`	`that's the spirit`
`01:36.00`	`Sutoka`	`~part`
`01:36.02`	`apt`	`/part`
`01:36.07`	`Sutoka`	`SO CLOSE`
`01:36.10`	`Sutoka`	`~say /part`
`01:36.12`	`apt`	`/part`
`01:36.23`	`Sutoka`	`~say /join #amarok`
`01:36.24`	`apt`	`/join #amarok`
`01:36.34`	`Sutoka`	`stupid spaces...`
`01:36.37`	`XVampireX`	`:P`
`01:36.46`	`Sutoka`	`~join #amarok`
`01:36.55`	`Sutoka`	`~join #kde`
`01:36.55`	`XVampireX`	`did that work? :P`
`01:37.02`	`Sutoka`	`nope`
`01:37.06`	`XVampireX`	`oh`
`01:37.08`	`Sutoka`	`it said its not allowed to join amarok :-(`
`01:37.11`	`Sutoka`	`~join debian`
`01:37.14`	`XVampireX`	`~abuse me`
`01:37.16`	`apt`	`ACTION smacks xvampirex across the face. "Take that, sucker!"`
`01:37.19`	`Sutoka`	`~join #debian`
`01:37.30`	`Sutoka`	`~part #kde`
`01:37.36`	`XVampireX`	`~destroy the vampire`
`01:37.38`	`apt`	`no`
`01:37.50`	`Sho_`	`g'night`
`01:37.54`	`XVampireX`	`Good night :P`
`01:37.55`	`Sutoka`	`~if you're so botty, why won't you diey?`
`01:37.58`	`Sutoka`	`~say night`
`01:38.00`	`apt`	`night`
`01:38.00`	`Sho_`	`(apt play is tiring)`
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`01:38.06`	`Jucato`	`lol`
`01:38.10`	`XVampireX`	`:P`
`01:38.22`	`XVampireX`	`~say I'm tiring`
`01:38.23`	`apt`	`I'm tiring`
`01:38.31`	`Sho_`	`(see, you drove away me _and_ aseigo)`
`01:38.33`	`Sho_`	`(;)`
`01:38.40`	`XVampireX`	`;)`
`01:38.41`	`Jucato`	`glad Sho_ isn't in a kicking mood today... despite it being past 2:30am ..`
`01:38.53`	`XVampireX`	`3:39am here`
`01:38.58`	`Sutoka`	`8 pm here :-D`
`01:39.06`	`Sutoka`	`yes, its 8:00`
`01:39.16`	`XVampireX`	`That's AM, then`
`01:40.01`	`XVampireX`	`AM = anything before 12:00 but after 00:00 :P`
`01:41.04`	`benklop`	`hello`
`01:41.39`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hi`
`01:41.42`	`XVampireX`	`yeah, gross`
`01:41.44`	`XVampireX`	`hi benklop`
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`01:42.13`	`XVampireX`	`What theme you use benklop?`
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`01:42.34`	`XVampireX`	`~hi`
`01:42.36`	`apt`	`hello, xvampirex`
`01:42.36`	`benklop`	`i would like to put together a kipi plugin for use with digikam, etc, but i dont exactly know where to start. i have never programmed c++ seriously, but i do have some experience with java...`
`01:42.42`	`benklop`	`any hints where to begin?`
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`01:42.56`	`XVampireX`	`benklop, kde-dev maybe?`
`01:43.01`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: healthy!`
`01:43.07`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: mmmm, celery`
`01:43.13`	`Renze`	`bleh`
`01:43.15`	`benklop`	`XVampireX: not exactly sure what you are asking; everything is set up pretty much the wy konversation comes`
`01:43.15`	`XVampireX`	`#kde-dev`
`01:43.23`	`benklop`	`thanks!`
`01:43.23`	`Jucato`	`#kde-devel`
`01:43.26`	`XVampireX`	`ah`
`01:43.29`	`XVampireX`	`Yeah, devel`
`01:43.33`	`Shirakawasuna`	`kde dev channel's usually dead`
`01:43.34`	`XVampireX`	`used to ubuntu dev packages`
`01:43.46`	`Jucato`	`well, we have kubuntu-devel :P`
`01:43.58`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: late at night?`
`01:44.07`	`Renze`	`middle of the afternoon`
`01:44.13`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: ah, weird`
`01:44.31`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: I would've guessed morning next ... night doesn't make any sense :)`
`01:44.32`	`XVampireX`	`Is kubuntu a real word just like ubuntu is?`
`01:44.39`	`Renze`	`Wed Nov 1 14:44:03 NZDT 2006`
`01:44.43`	`XVampireX`	`or is it just made up k+ubuntu?`
`01:44.45`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: lunch is always good - fry up some fish`
`01:44.55`	`Renze`	`I have no fish :(`
`01:45.07`	`XVampireX`	`fish:/ ?`
`01:46.15`	`Jucato`	`let's dance the samba:/ !!`
`01:46.25`	`benklop`	`XVampireX: you asked what theme i used, did you mean general kde theme? i use plastik if thats what you are asking`
`01:46.51`	`XVampireX`	`benklop, Ah, okey, just wondering why people like the unslick kde theme`
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`01:47.50`	`benklop`	`shrug... probably because you keep sking ppl, now i gotta go check it out!`
`01:47.57`	`benklop`	`asking, that is`
`01:48.04`	`Renze`	`Jucato: never... just like there is a neverending supply of n00bs`
`01:48.17`	`XVampireX`	`Let there be light`
`01:48.17`	`Jucato`	`hehe :)`
`01:48.58`	`XVampireX`	`Jucato: lastfmproxy + mpd > amarok for last.fm`
`01:49.00`	`XVampireX`	`:P`
`01:49.01`	`benklop`	`heh... when the birth rate drops to zero and everybody uses KDE, ten years later there will be no n00bs`
`01:49.15`	`XVampireX`	`kde is for n00bs`
`01:49.29`	`_Sketch_`	`that's true, XVampireX.`
`01:49.34`	`_Sketch_`	`Kde is for everyone.`
`01:49.49`	`XVampireX`	`:P`
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`01:56.57`	`XVampireX`	`so anyone using something other than plastik?`
`01:57.04`	`Half-Left`	`yep`
`01:57.41`	`XVampireX`	`What are you using, then?`
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`01:57.52`	`Half-Left`	`Polyester`
`01:57.57`	`XVampireX`	`I kinda liked the milkesque-baghira theme, though I'm yet to use it`
`01:58.06`	`XVampireX`	`Polyester is nice, not perfect though`
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`01:58.14`	`XVampireX`	`I used it on KDE`
`01:58.24`	`Sutoka`	`Serenity here`
`01:58.33`	`Half-Left`	`I like Lipstik as well`
`01:59.41`	`XVampireX`	`Serenity is crazy, as in, bad... from these pictures I didn't want to use it >_<`
`01:59.48`	`Sutoka`	`i like it a lot`
`01:59.52`	`XVampireX`	`It's weird`
`01:59.56`	`XVampireX`	`huge buttons`
`02:00.05`	`Sutoka`	`buttons aren't any bigger...`
`02:00.23`	`XVampireX`	`I mean they are bolder`
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`02:01.38`	`Sutoka`	`not really`
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`02:01.59`	`Sutoka`	`its configurable so maybe the screenshot youre looking at just has something set weird`
`02:02.00`	`Arafangion`	`How do I input the unicode character 0x00E8?`
`02:02.13`	`Arafangion`	`(WHich is è)`
`02:02.24`	`Shirakawasuna`	`XVampireX: knifty isn't bad`
`02:02.27`	`XVampireX`	`http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=30789`
`02:02.31`	`XVampireX`	`this is something I want to try`
`02:02.35`	`Shirakawasuna`	`XVampireX: the only two windecos I can live with are knifty and plastik`
`02:02.48`	`Shirakawasuna`	`XVampireX: and of course the best style is qtcurve`
`02:02.54`	`Shirakawasuna`	`baghira never worked right for me`
`02:03.02`	`XVampireX`	`QtCurve?`
`02:03.03`	`Half-Left`	`I find Baghira not to good quality wise`
`02:03.09`	`XVampireX`	`The One that does the GTK look?`
`02:03.13`	`Sutoka`	`Arafangion: i'd setup a compose key for your keyboard, then just 'compose' it`
`02:03.35`	`Arafangion`	`Sutoka: How does one "compose"?`
`02:03.51`	`Arafangion`	`Sutoka: In urxvt, one just holds shift+ctrl, easy, nice and simple.`
`02:04.11`	`Sutoka`	Arafangion: if you have the compose key, you would press it then e+` i believe
`02:04.12`	`Arafangion`	`Sutoka: Gnome has a similar command, but I've forgotten that.`
`02:04.27`	`Shirakawasuna`	`funny how the dvd icon is blocky in the 'normal' size panel`
`02:04.34`	`Shirakawasuna`	`the mounter applet`
`02:04.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`XVampireX: the one that does everything not-ugly`
`02:05.10`	`XVampireX`	`http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492`
`02:05.19`	`XVampireX`	`this one, it's why I like gnome`
`02:05.22`	`XVampireX`	`It's not ugly ;)`
`02:05.24`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: I set my compose key in my xorg.conf but you should be able to set it in kcontrol`
`02:05.39`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: it's how I type ��, etc`
`02:05.43`	`Shirakawasuna`	`�`
`02:06.11`	`mobtek`	`Shirakawasuna: I wish Colloquy on the mac had an easy way to insert utf-8 chars`
`02:06.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`colloquy?`
`02:07.30`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hmm`
`02:07.36`	`Shirakawasuna`	`perhaps you should try x-chat`
`02:07.46`	`Arafangion`	`Sutoka: So, how does one "compose" €`
`02:08.13`	`Shirakawasuna`	`although I don't see why macs couldn't have a compose key that wouldn't work in a mac app`
`02:08.17`	`Sutoka`	`Arafangion: c+= probably, i generally don't type those characters enough to use a key for compose`
`02:08.27`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hrm, skip one of those negatives`
`02:08.34`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I'm using irssi in urxvt, I really like it, I just want to know how one inputs chars in KDE, preferably using hte same keybindings.`
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`02:10.32`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: For greek typing, I've tended to just use LaTeX, but I _still_ want to know how to do it in KDE, surely it's not a major issue :)`
`02:10.40`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: kcontrol > regional & accessibility > keyboard layout`
`02:10.49`	`Half-Left`	`later`
`02:10.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: go to xkb options, then set the compose key to r alt`
`02:11.00`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: or at least that's where I like it`
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`02:11.18`	`Shirakawasuna`	`for me I get � by doing compose then ss`
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`02:11.45`	`Shirakawasuna`	`or � with shift + compose + '/" then o`
`02:11.54`	`_Sketch_`	`Question: Would the keyboard layout work if I have an entirely Americanized keyboard, and I want to input Japanese, or would I need something like scim for that?`
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`02:12.25`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I'm wondering: How the heck do you figure out that "ss" gets to ß?`
`02:12.26`	`Renze`	`compose o " is easier :)`
`02:12.37`	`Renze`	`because ß has a hard s sound`
`02:12.37`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: But I can easily find out the unicode key code, and just type that.`
`02:12.39`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: I guessed`
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`02:12.54`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: there's probably a big list somewhere`
`02:12.54`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: Figures.`
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`02:13.16`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: nah, I do it in two hits o' da keys ;)`
`02:13.28`	`Shirakawasuna`	`shift + alt + " then o`
`02:13.55`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: compose does not need to be held down`
`02:14.16`	`Shirakawasuna`	`doesn't matter, still takes less time to do it`
`02:14.20`	`Shirakawasuna`	`it 'can' be held down ;)`
`02:14.46`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I wonder how I get japanese characters out of this thing....`
`02:14.49`	`mobtek`	`Shirakawasuna: nah xchat on the mac is crap :)`
`02:14.54`	`_Sketch_`	`I just asked that! ;)`
`02:15.10`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: with scim and skim`
`02:15.30`	`_Sketch_`	`Thanks, Renze.`
`02:15.39`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: Damn, how do I make my left winkey compose?`
`02:15.46`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I've only got the one winkey.`
`02:16.14`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: for all I know it thinks that that one is rwin`
`02:17.05`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: cool, do you have any experience w/ scim?`
`02:17.19`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: none whatsoever... I only do English ;)`
`02:17.45`	`icwiener`	`Renze: The last time I saw you, you ate chilli and garlic stuff as well! :D`
`02:18.01`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: I hope I can find me a guide`
`02:18.16`	`Renze`	`icwiener: you have something against chilli and garlic? ;)`
`02:18.34`	`icwiener`	`Renze: Absolutely not. :)`
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`02:19.55`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: Hmm, nope, only options are right winkey (Just tested it, my winkey is not a "right" winkey), the "menu" key (Which is inconveniently located), and the alt/ctrl keys which I do not have spare.`
`02:20.14`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: Plus, there's still the issue not knowing what th ekey combos are.`
`02:20.27`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: edit your xorg.conf and find a guide ;)`
`02:20.40`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: I think right win would be something like rwin but I'm just guessing`
`02:20.41`	`Renze`	`Arafangion: for the most part they make logical sense... like compose o / for ø`
`02:21.09`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: The reason why I can't use my ctrl and alt keys is because I've already got the right side used for my qemu guest, adn the left side for the qemu control.`
`02:21.15`	`Shirakawasuna`	`in Section "InputDevice" I have Option "XkbOptions" "compose:ralt"`
`02:21.19`	`Shirakawasuna`	`try replacing ralt w/ rwin`
`02:21.23`	`Shirakawasuna`	`or lwin`
`02:21.25`	`Shirakawasuna`	`whichever`
`02:21.41`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I still have the problem of entering 20ac`
`02:21.52`	`Shirakawasuna`	`20ac?`
`02:21.56`	`_Sketch_`	`Will KDE automatically detect Japanese text and choose a Japanese font?`
`02:22.02`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I _want_ to enter it using the same sequence as I do in urxvt, gnome, and heck, even windows!`
`02:22.13`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: do you have LINGUAS set in your make.conf?`
`02:22.29`	`Shirakawasuna`	`_Sketch_: It probably depends on your distro`
`02:22.32`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: yes... en_GB :)`
`02:22.43`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: Looks like kcontrol won't let me modify the command.`
`02:22.45`	`Shirakawasuna`	`_Sketch_: for gentoo I had to emerge kochi-substitute to get the fonts`
`02:23.05`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: ah. I was wondering why locale -a showed so many. I'm guessing if I don't set it I get everything?`
`02:23.11`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: all I did was emerge intlfonts, and everything worked`
`02:23.21`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: pass`
`02:23.25`	`Shirakawasuna`	`pass?`
`02:23.34`	`Shirakawasuna`	`is this some NZ thing? :0`
`02:23.47`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: huh? I'm talking about your xorg.conf`
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`02:24.07`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I can't easily edit my xorg conf.`
`02:24.20`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: kubuntu?`
`02:24.25`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: "pass" means... "I don't know... next question please" :)`
`02:24.27`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: Laptop, with ati drivers, and I suspect my xorg config gets regenerated quite often.`
`02:24.32`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: Ubuntu, with KDE.`
`02:24.35`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: does locale -a show tons for you?`
`02:24.49`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: not sure then.`
`02:24.50`	`Renze`	`no, I get four lines`
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`02:25.00`	`Shirakawasuna`	`ah. What are they? ;)`
`02:25.04`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: but I set up my locale when I installed Gentoo`
`02:25.16`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I thought I did too`
`02:25.17`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I'll stick with gnome programs then. :(`
`02:25.21`	`Renze`	`C, en_NZ, en_NZ.utf8, and POSIX`
`02:25.23`	`XVampireX`	`http://nepomuk-kde.semanticdesktop.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome`
`02:25.59`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I just feel that KDE is generally better (much better) designed.`
`02:26.10`	`Shirakawasuna`	`indeed`
`02:26.17`	`Shirakawasuna`	`not sure why left win isn't an option`
`02:26.19`	`_Sketch_`	`Shirakawasuna: I'm running Debian... Gnome was working with the Japanese fonts I had installed, and KDE did when I first started it, but not anymore--I'm not sure what happened..`
`02:26.20`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: Though, it seems that (imho), the input handling is _too_ well designed.`
`02:26.28`	`coffee-halloween`	`muahahahaha happy boo-day`
`02:26.54`	`Renze`	`coffee-halloween: that was yesterday`
`02:27.07`	`coffee-halloween`	`oh heh it's today here :P`
`02:27.15`	`coffee-halloween`	`well happy halloween-belated ;)`
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`02:27.39`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: KDE is the only system that correctly uses my multiple desktop system, taking the deadzone into account with window positioning.`
`02:28.02`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: cool`
`02:28.16`	`Renze`	`wasn't that a movie? The Dead Zone?`
`02:28.24`	`Winrocks`	`Windows Vista boxes ... did you see them ?`
`02:28.26`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I've benchmarked my laptop :)`
`02:28.49`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: perhaps there's a way to add a custom command?`
`02:28.51`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: Twice as fast at running winxp in qemu as it is at running winxp directly :)`
`02:28.59`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: I see that it lists the commands entered at the bottom in the keyboard layout section`
`02:29.08`	`Sutoka`	`Renze: tv show`
`02:29.13`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: Yup, but observe that you can't change it.`
`02:29.16`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Arafangion: hehe, nice`
`02:30.01`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I deleted windows entirely when I realised that I was typing TWO Lines in advance in visual studio on a brand new laptop.`
`02:30.16`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: 512MB ram, 1.6 GHz cpu, all that stuff.`
`02:30.43`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I attribute the fault to the Power4 powermanagement drivers.`
`02:30.56`	`Shirakawasuna`	`good ol' linux drivers`
`02:31.16`	`Arafangion`	`Indeed.`
`02:31.24`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I couldn't get windows to boot let alone reinstall on my desktop. Still running linux, though ;)`
`02:31.27`	`Arafangion`	`Heck, even my internal SDCard reader works fine.`
`02:31.42`	`Renze`	`rewhat?`
`02:31.47`	`Renze`	`how... Redmond`
`02:31.51`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: Indeed.`
`02:32.04`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: But even windows doesn't need reboots to test a font.`
`02:33.05`	`Arafangion`	`Oops.`
`02:33.15`	`Arafangion`	`Forgot the damn null again :(`
`02:33.32`	`mobtek`	`errmm why would you reboot to test a dont, fc-cache -fv is your friend :)`
`02:33.42`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: is /etc/locale.gen the locale file you edited?`
`02:34.13`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: can't remember, but everything in there is commented out`
`02:34.24`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hmmm`
`02:34.40`	`Sutoka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:34.49`	`Renze`	`I do have some stuff in locales.build, however`
`02:35.11`	`Renze`	`en_NZ/ISO-8859-1`
`02:35.12`	`Renze`	`en_NZ.UTF-8/UTF-8`
`02:35.26`	`Sutoka`	`one of those is deprecated... not sure which`
`02:35.33`	`Renze`	`I can't remember either`
`02:36.27`	`Arafangion`	`I would hope it's the former that's deprecated.`
`02:37.05`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hmmm`
`02:37.54`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna:`
`02:38.07`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: € is "c=" :)`
`02:38.28`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: I might grow to like compose, I just wish that it had an option to do things in other methods.`
`02:38.31`	`Shirakawasuna`	`doesn't work for me, hmm`
`02:38.34`	`Renze`	`I thought c= was the Commodore logo :D`
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`02:39.05`	`Arafangion`	`Shirakawasuna: Doesn't work for you? Interesting.`
`02:39.37`	`Renze`	`I can't do the euro either, but then we don't use it in NZ`
`02:39.51`	`Renze`	`I can do £ however, and we don't use that either`
`02:40.00`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: What's the compose for that?`
`02:40.03`	`Shirakawasuna`	`me too`
`02:40.04`	`Shirakawasuna`	`�`
`02:40.08`	`Renze`	`L-`
`02:40.56`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hmm`
`02:40.59`	`Shirakawasuna`	`�`
`02:41.00`	`Shirakawasuna`	`bwahaha`
`02:41.09`	`Arafangion`	`Nice, 5¢ works in urxvt via kde's compose :)`
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`02:41.22`	`analfabeta`	`hi!`
`02:41.32`	`Jucato`	`シ`
`02:41.47`	`Shirakawasuna`	`shi!`
`02:41.52`	`analfabeta`	`how i can configure a default action (what do) when a plug a pendrive!?`
`02:41.55`	`Arafangion`	`Jucato: Just make sure you're not, like, saying "**** off!" in that language ;)`
`02:41.58`	`Renze`	`Arafangion: it's X's compose... nothing to do with KDE`
`02:42.05`	`analfabeta`	`i need mount with other parameters. . .`
`02:42.09`	`Arafangion`	`Jucato: Cool emoticon, though :)`
`02:42.27`	`Jucato`	`no, it's just a Japanese syllable turned emoticon :)`
`02:42.33`	`Shirakawasuna`	`it's shi ;)`
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`02:42.43`	`Renze`	`4?`
`02:42.49`	`Shirakawasuna`	`yay for shi`
`02:42.58`	`_Sketch_`	`Hm.`
`02:43.01`	`Jucato`	`hehe :)`
`02:43.22`	`Jucato`	`I finally got to Japanese text in Konvi! yay`
`02:43.34`	`Renze`	`ぽこちん`
`02:43.44`	`Jucato`	`yay!! don't see boxes anymore!!`
`02:43.45`	`Shirakawasuna`	`pokochin?`
`02:44.02`	`Renze`	`it translates to "penis"`
`02:44.09`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hehe`
`02:44.16`	`Jucato`	`O_O`
`02:44.18`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I think you can just can chinchin, but not positive on that one`
`02:44.25`	`Shirakawasuna`	`*just say`
`02:45.22`	`Sutoka`	`はいしゃ!!!`
`02:45.37`	`Arafangion`	`Interesting, this is what a Gentoo source says+`
`02:45.38`	`Jucato`	`kool to see Japanese, even if I don't understand them! :)`
`02:45.54`	`Arafangion`	`To actually use your input method, you will at have to env-update; source /etc/profile and restart X11; you may possibly have to reboot.`
`02:45.56`	`Sutoka`	`Jucato: learn what i just wrote ;-)`
`02:45.59`	`Jucato`	`IsleVegan has left this server ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") <--- ouch!`
`02:46.25`	`_Sketch_`	`Arafangion: Would I need to env-update to see Japanese, perhaps?`
`02:46.28`	`Sutoka`	`Jucato: yes, gaim has an irc client built in`
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`02:46.39`	`Shirakawasuna`	`haishya?`
`02:46.40`	`Jucato`	`I know... but even so... it's GAIM. lol`
`02:46.45`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: ?`
`02:46.54`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: teach me some offensive things ;)`
`02:46.56`	`Renze`	`الموت لامريكا`
`02:47.03`	`Shirakawasuna`	`haha`
`02:47.10`	`Shirakawasuna`	`silly right-to-left language`
`02:47.22`	`Jucato`	`hehhehe`
`02:47.22`	`Arafangion`	`So, how does one actually input (eg) Japanese?`
`02:47.40`	`Jucato`	`Shirakawasuna: what? japanese read from back to front. :P`
`02:47.42`	`_Sketch_`	`I think it's usually left-to-right unless it's vertical, actually.`
`02:47.44`	`Sutoka`	`Shirakawasuna: "わがみオカマ"`
`02:48.02`	`Shirakawasuna`	`stupid b****?`
`02:48.09`	`Shirakawasuna`	`not sure what wagami is ;)`
`02:48.44`	`Sutoka`	`Shirakawasuna: "いろっぽい" <-- thats good to insult a guy`
`02:48.46`	`Arafangion`	`There's heaps of docs out there that say how to get japanese to display, but almost none say how to actually _write_ the damn thing.`
`02:48.46`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: so...what exactly do glibc locales impact?`
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`02:49.01`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: cool`
`02:49.06`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: no idea`
`02:49.09`	`Arafangion`	`So, how do I say Konichiwa in japanese?`
`02:49.18`	`Jucato`	`Konnichiwa`
`02:49.19`	`Renze`	`حوامه بلدي مليء الانقليس`
`02:49.21`	`Jucato`	`:P`
`02:49.23`	`oGALAXYo`	`Konnichiwa`
`02:49.31`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: I was told 'watashi no chinchin wa ohkii desu' is a fun one to make people think you're a silly gaijin. - Is the chinchin part correct for 'penis'? ;)`
`02:49.36`	`Arafangion`	`Ok, how do I say Konnichiwa in Japanese :)`
`02:49.37`	`hagabaka`	`whoa`
`02:49.44`	`Sutoka`	`Arafangion: "こにちわ" in their charset`
`02:49.52`	`Jucato`	`Konnichiwa <--- is japanese`
`02:49.54`	`hagabaka`	`こんにちは`
`02:49.57`	`oGALAXYo`	`hmm what i find funniest is the way japanese treaten their wifes..`
`02:50.01`	`Jucato`	`maybe you meant how to "write"?`
`02:50.06`	`Sutoka`	`Shirakawasuna: yes`
`02:50.20`	`Arafangion`	`Sutoka: How do I go from: "Konnichiwa" -> "こにちわ" without cut & pasting your response?`
`02:50.31`	`Renze`	`Arafangion: using something like scim and skim (the kde front-end`
`02:50.33`	`Arafangion`	`Jucato: Yes, I meant "write" :)`
`02:50.40`	`Jucato`	`Arafangion: or Insert -> Special Character?`
`02:50.41`	`oGALAXYo`	`they have absolutely NO rights.. you go through your door. throw the door back so it closes and if your wife is behind it and gets the door straight in her face then no one gives a flying f*ck.`
`02:50.42`	`Jucato`	`hehehe`
`02:50.58`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hmmm`
`02:51.09`	`_Sketch_`	`Debian Etch, KDE 3.5.5.. I've installed kde-i18n-ja, installed Japanese fonts (kochi gothic is the one I'm using now), installed xfonts-intl-japanese... What more do I need?`
`02:51.09`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I thought it was ko'n'ni'chi'ha`
`02:51.14`	`oGALAXYo`	`at least thats what my karate trainer told me.`
`02:51.28`	`Sutoka`	`Shirakawasuna: "ふふん" thats a fun one as well`
`02:51.30`	`_Sketch_`	`No, Shirakawasuna. 'ha' is pronounced 'wa' at the end of a word, but that's a particle.`
`02:51.51`	`_Sketch_`	`Like 'watashi wa' --> 'watashi ha'.`
`02:52.00`	`_Sketch_`	`It's still pronounced 'wa' though.`
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`02:52.06`	`Shirakawasuna`	`right`
`02:52.09`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I'm talking about the characters`
`02:52.25`	`Sutoka`	`ferry?`
`02:52.30`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I thought it was spelled ko'n'ni'chi'ha if you were to attempt it in hiragana`
`02:52.35`	`hagabaka`	`you might want to use one of the more than two Japanese channels around here...`
`02:52.36`	`_Sketch_`	`no. :)`
`02:52.40`	`hagabaka`	`#nihongo or #japanese`
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`02:52.43`	`_Sketch_`	`Wait..`
`02:52.45`	`_Sketch_`	`Maybe.`
`02:52.49`	`odla`	`is there a plugin for konqueror for WMV either through kaffeine or mplayer?`
`02:52.50`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: So, I've started scim, but nothing happens.`
`02:52.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`psh, no one's asking #kde questions ;)`
`02:52.54`	`Shirakawasuna`	`oh, there's one`
`02:52.58`	`Shirakawasuna`	`odla: kmplayer`
`02:53.04`	`Renze`	`Arafangion: ask someone else for help... I only do English :)`
`02:53.07`	`_Sketch_`	`I'm asking kde questions, but getting no replies. ;)`
`02:53.14`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: So do I :)`
`02:53.14`	`Sutoka`	`odla: install win32codecs and xine (kaffeine) and mplayer will be able to play wmv`
`02:53.15`	`Jucato`	`I have a question: how do you set the order of apps that startup in Autostart`
`02:53.23`	`Jucato`	`in ~/.kde/Autostart, I mean`
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`02:53.30`	`Shirakawasuna`	`_Sketch_: maybe a while ago ;)`
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`02:53.33`	`odla`	`Sutoka: i have w32codecs and kaffeine installed`
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`02:53.35`	`Renze`	`Arafangion: as for how I've been typing them... I just cut and paste from kiten :)`
`02:53.44`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: kiten?`
`02:53.46`	`_Sketch_`	`Shirakawasuna: Pretty recently too. Less than a page back.`
`02:53.52`	`Sutoka`	`odla: unless kaffeine is set to look in the wrong folder, it should just work now`
`02:53.52`	`Renze`	`Arafangion: part of kdeedu`
`02:54.00`	`Renze`	`Arafangion: japanese language tool`
`02:54.06`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I didn't know kaffeine had a kpart`
`02:54.10`	`foobarz`	`is there anything like "TorButton" (like firefox has) for konqueror?`
`02:54.22`	`Jucato`	`almost every major app in KDE has a KPart`
`02:54.24`	`hagabaka`	`what's a TorButton?`
`02:54.35`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: Ahh, a dictionary.`
`02:54.38`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: Cool.`
`02:54.39`	`Shirakawasuna`	`and mplayer doesn't use xine for wmv playing`
`02:54.56`	`Sutoka`	`hagabaka: enable/disable using Tor (the onion router)`
`02:54.56`	`Shirakawasuna`	`odla: emerge kmplayer, it has a good kpart`
`02:54.56`	`hagabaka`	`oh`
`02:54.58`	`Shirakawasuna`	`odla: or get it, not sure what your distro is`
`02:54.59`	`_Sketch_`	`Debian Etch, KDE 3.5.5.. I've installed kde-i18n-ja, installed Japanese fonts (kochi gothic is the one I'm using now), installed xfonts-intl-japanese... What more do I need, or what should I run to get this working?`
`02:55.33`	`Renze`	`_Sketch_: I have no idea... all I had to do in Gentoo was "emerge intlfonts" - I don't even have kde-i18n-ja installed`
`02:55.34`	`Jucato`	`_Sketch_: all I needed to install was ttf-kochi-minchi-naga10 and ttf-kochi-gothic`
`02:56.04`	`hagabaka`	`kde-i18n-ja is necessary if you want Japanese UI and documentation, not if you just want to use Japanese`
`02:56.29`	`_Sketch_`	`hagabaka: Ah.`
`02:56.51`	`Jucato`	`I always mistype i18n as i10n....`
`02:56.52`	`foobarz`	`in firefox, I like that TorButton and FlashBlock extensions... if konq can do those, I'd use konq some more as it is nice to have one app use... a tab for file browsing, and other tabs for web browsing`
`02:57.25`	`Renze`	`Jucato: it's l10n`
`02:57.25`	`Jucato`	`Renze: yeah I know... :(`
`02:57.26`	`Sutoka`	`foobarz: you can set konqueror to only load plugins on demand`
`02:57.33`	`Jucato`	`but sometimes I misread and mistype the small "L" as a capital "i"`
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`02:57.58`	`Renze`	`l10n = localization (to use the horrid American spelling)`
`02:58.11`	`_Sketch_`	`Debian doesn't seem to have ttf-kochi-minchi, but it has ttf-kochi-mincho...`
`02:58.26`	`foobarz`	`Sutoka: ok.. I found that options and check it.. thanks`
`02:58.43`	`hagabaka`	`why can't people just say the whole word?`
`02:58.50`	`Renze`	`hagabaka: laziness`
`02:58.51`	`hagabaka`	`it's not telegram`
`02:58.52`	`tvtoon`	`Jeez, what a bomb! Anybody can access MSN with Kopete?`
`02:59.05`	`Renze`	`tvtoon: yes... I'm on MSN right now`
`02:59.21`	`hagabaka`	`for me it's more work to remember how many letters go between than type the whole word`
`02:59.28`	`Renze`	`tvtoon: and a whole bunch of other networks`
`02:59.36`	`tvtoon`	`Strange, it is like being K-Lined :( ...`
`02:59.50`	`Sutoka`	`tvtoon: i haven't used an network's official client in YEARS`
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`03:00.08`	`tvtoon`	`Sutoka, neither me, NEVER :)`
`03:00.32`	`tvtoon`	`especially damn cursed MSN...`
`03:00.53`	`Renze`	`unfortunately I can't convince my contacts to move to Jabber`
`03:01.32`	`tvtoon`	`Renze, I understand, that is the worst part :(`
`03:01.42`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: localization is more phoenetic`
`03:01.56`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: yes`
`03:02.09`	`tvtoon`	`What more, when trying to convince people with different systems, almost impossible...`
`03:02.14`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: but English existed before American :P`
`03:02.32`	`Shirakawasuna`	`psh`
`03:02.41`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: Then you have us Australian and NZ people ;)`
`03:02.42`	`Shirakawasuna`	`good argument ;)`
`03:02.54`	`Sutoka`	`both modern english (as in british english) as well as american english are derived from the same base (old english)`
`03:02.58`	`Renze`	`Arafangion: we speak English ;)`
`03:03.07`	`_Sketch_`	`Jucato: Do I have to change my locale, perhaps?`
`03:03.23`	`foobarz`	`Sutoka: ok, so now plugins do not load... how do I demand that they load?`
`03:03.24`	`Sutoka`	`as well as the Australian dialect, new zealand, and every other one`
`03:03.25`	`Renze`	`_Sketch_: I didn't... all I needed was the fonts`
`03:03.38`	`Jucato`	`_Sketch_: to see the japanese fonts? I didn't have to. Althoug I did have to restart X...`
`03:03.42`	`_Sketch_`	`Renze: Just the fonts doesn't seem to be working. :/`
`03:03.43`	`Sutoka`	`foobarz: where they WOULD load, it'll show a square with a button to click on to load them`
`03:03.44`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: That we do, but we say it in different ways ;)`
`03:03.54`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: Though, we don't vary it quite as much as the Americans do.`
`03:04.04`	`Renze`	`Arafangion: yeah... aussies slaughter the language :D`
`03:04.42`	`Arafangion`	`Renze: I wouldn't know, I'm deaf.`
`03:04.59`	`Renze`	`Arafangion: count yourself lucky :)`
`03:05.17`	`Shirakawasuna`	`again, psh :)`
`03:05.29`	`foobarz`	`Sutoka: I'm running KDE 3.5.4... do I need 3.5.5 for this to work?`
`03:05.41`	`Sutoka`	`foobarz: you shouldn't`
`03:05.43`	`Renze`	`foobarz: no`
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`03:09.49`	`Shirakawasuna`	`so is anyone in here using kde and switches between japanese chars/english chars?`
`03:09.50`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: ?`
`03:10.33`	`tvtoon`	`Shirakawasuna, no, I am using KDE with english PLUS japanese characters :)`
`03:10.53`	`Shirakawasuna`	`tvtoon: how's that work?`
`03:10.56`	`Jucato`	`I have a question: how do you set the order of apps that startup in ~/.kde/Autostart`
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`03:11.26`	`tvtoon`	`Shirakawasuna, mostly common nowadays, and perhaps for the future too, UNICODE...`
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`03:12.32`	`Shirakawasuna`	`also can you add usenet groups to korganizer?`
`03:12.43`	`Shirakawasuna`	`for some reason I'm having trouble building my KDE help index`
`03:12.50`	`Sutoka`	`Jucato: i don't think you can (except by putting numbers at the start of the names?)`
`03:13.01`	`Shirakawasuna`	`tvtoon: do you type japanese chars or just read them?`
`03:13.04`	`Jucato`	`aw.. :(`
`03:13.20`	`foobarz`	`Sutoka: I had to "scan" for plugins for it to find flash plugin and others I use in firefox... it didn't know automatically`
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`03:13.35`	`Jucato`	`Sutoka: because I want to start 3ddeskd before anything else starts up, and "3ddesk --acquire" after everything else has loaded...`
`03:13.41`	`Sutoka`	`foobarz: konqueror doesn't scan at every startup, otherwise it'll take longer to load`
`03:13.42`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: knode is kde's newsgroup reader, and it can embed into kontact`
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`03:14.09`	`tvtoon`	`Shirakawasuna, err, I don't know how to type with KDE apps, but yes, there are various editors that suport it.`
`03:14.12`	`Linrocks`	`please`
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`03:14.15`	`Sutoka`	`Jucato: 003deskd-pre ZZ3ddesk-last maybe?`
`03:14.27`	`Linrocks`	`how to use a java app in linux ?`
`03:14.47`	`Sutoka`	`coughtrollcough`
`03:15.15`	`tvtoon`	`Linrocks, ##java will suit you FAR better`
`03:15.18`	`Arafangion`	`Sutoka: Not a troll.`
`03:15.23`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: do you switch between typing in japanese/english?`
`03:15.26`	`Sutoka`	`Arafangion: not you`
`03:15.30`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: I'm trying to find the 'easiest' or 'best' way to do so`
`03:15.41`	`Arafangion`	`Sutoka: Heck, the next version of Sun java may well find it's way into Linux repos.`
`03:15.55`	`Arafangion`	`Sutoka: Though, possibly only non-free, but in repos never-the-less.`
`03:16.00`	`Sutoka`	`Shirakawasuna: probably changing the keyboard layout (theres a systray applet that lets you change on the fly`
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`03:16.14`	`_Sketch_`	`Jucato: No luck. Is it possible that my Gnome settings are interfering somehow? Or the remnants of settings that Gnome did for X?`
`03:16.24`	`Arafangion`	`Linrocks: But yeah, ask in ##java`
`03:16.40`	`Arafangion`	`Sutoka: That one's a technicality ;)`
`03:16.45`	`Linrocks`	`lol`
`03:16.46`	`Jucato`	`_Sketch_: no idea.. sorry...`
`03:16.48`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: no luck on that one`
`03:16.54`	`Linrocks`	`I need to be identified there :(`
`03:17.05`	`Arafangion`	`Linrocks: Then do so.`
`03:17.13`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: is that what you did to get it working? perhaps I needed to restart KDE`
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`03:17.34`	`Shirakawasuna`	`ok, another question: when I open up khelpcenter I can search for anything because the index can't be created`
`03:18.06`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I get this: http://phpfi.com/169825`
`03:18.12`	`Jucato`	`Build the index. make sure htdig is installed`
`03:18.15`	`Jucato`	`and there's a bug btw`
`03:18.33`	`Jucato`	`Shirakawasuna: install htdig`
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`03:19.29`	`Jucato`	`ok gotta go! :)`
`03:20.12`	`foobarz`	`Sutoka: when I go to CNN.com, there are two flashes, one at top as an Ad, and other for choosing video to watch. The video selector flash gets a "Start Plugin" button, and the flash Ad doesn't. I click the button and nothing happens except the button disappears.. the area of screen where the flash should start becomes a dead area of screen that doesn't update`
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`03:21.52`	`Shirakawasuna`	`foobarz: huh? flash problem in #kde?`
`03:21.59`	`Shirakawasuna`	`flash =/= kde`
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`03:22.11`	`Shirakawasuna`	`and in general flash problems are the result of it being old/crappy`
`03:22.20`	`Linrocks`	`Ijust want to know if JAR files run on lx`
`03:22.21`	`foobarz`	`Shirakawasuna: I'm trying to use the "Load plugins on demand only" feature`
`03:22.45`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: do you have htdig?`
`03:22.56`	`Renze`	`yes`
`03:22.58`	`Shirakawasuna`	`sorry I'm using you as a reference tool ;)`
`03:23.05`	`foobarz`	`Shirakawasuna: it gives me the "Start Plugin" button, but when pressed, nothing happens`
`03:23.06`	`Shirakawasuna`	`did you emerge it or did you get it w/ a use flag?`
`03:23.14`	`Renze`	`and no, I can't build indexes either`
`03:23.17`	`Renze`	`emerge`
`03:23.27`	`Shirakawasuna`	`foobarz: ah`
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`03:23.34`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: lame`
`03:23.45`	`Shirakawasuna`	`it makes khelpcenter somewhat useless`
`03:23.46`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: no, that's an encoder ;)`
`03:23.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hehe`
`03:23.55`	`Shirakawasuna`	`flac ftw!`
`03:24.06`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: I never use khelpcenter anyway... I just figure stuff out for myself :D`
`03:24.32`	`foobarz`	`Shirakawasuna: do know if konqueror is going to be different in KDE 4.0?`
`03:24.44`	`foobarz`	`Shirakawasuna: do you know, I mean`
`03:25.12`	`Shirakawasuna`	`foobarz: no sure about the plugin thing, but of course it'll be different`
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`03:25.56`	`Sutoka`	`foobarz: most likely, all of kde is getting a major overhaul and the abi/api is being shattered (because 3.x -> 4.x is the only time KDE allows the abi/api to be broken)`
`03:26.26`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: perhaps you got a fatal error at the end of the htdig emerge like me and didn't notice`
`03:26.41`	`foobarz`	`Shirakawasuna: if it gets "Add-ons" like ff, it will be sweet... just a little more work on konq and it'll be ready to fulltime use maybe`
`03:26.45`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: I have htdig installed`
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`03:26.57`	`Shirakawasuna`	`foobarz: I use it fulltime already`
`03:27.01`	`Renze`	`so do I`
`03:27.19`	`Shirakawasuna`	`well technically so do I, but not according to the end of emerge messages`
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`03:27.35`	`Shirakawasuna`	`telling me I need apache,e tc`
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`03:27.53`	`foobarz`	`does the "Start Plugin" button for loading plugins on demand work for other people in here to control flash?`
`03:28.05`	`Renze`	`foobarz: yes`
`03:28.07`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: so to type japanese you just enabled a japanese keyboard layout?`
`03:28.17`	`Sutoka`	`Shirakawasuna: and then switch to that`
`03:28.25`	`Sutoka`	`that /should/ work`
`03:28.29`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: cool. Is scim running, etc?`
`03:29.56`	`Sutoka`	`no need`
`03:30.16`	`Sutoka`	`though figuring out what key maps to what character... thats not an easy one`
`03:30.53`	`Shirakawasuna`	`ah, darn`
`03:31.09`	`Shirakawasuna`	`how do you change between hiragana/katakana, etc?`
`03:31.15`	`Shirakawasuna`	`and is there kanji recognition?`
`03:32.13`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: I didn't get any fatal errors when emerging htdig`
`03:32.34`	`Shirakawasuna`	`darn`
`03:33.14`	`foobarz`	`Renze: well, anyway, flash is working, but not when I try to load it on demand. ohwell`
`03:33.26`	`Sutoka`	`don't think you can really 'switch'`
`03:34.00`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hrm`
`03:34.08`	`Shirakawasuna`	`so anyone know how to fix the khelpcenter htdig thing?`
`03:34.19`	`Sutoka`	`ニミトカチリリクカシニキ・`
`03:34.28`	`Sutoka`	`eeep, forgot to swap keyboard layouts`
`03:34.38`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: did you 'rundig' after installing? I got a segfault doing that`
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`03:37.46`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hmm`
`03:38.02`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I get a db2 problem`
`03:38.08`	`Shirakawasuna`	`always great when things don:t work`
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`03:39.30`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: what do you type to get characters?`
`03:39.37`	`Sutoka`	`keys...`
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`03:44.08`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hrm, well restarting kde time`
`03:46.49`	`Renze`	`☺`
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`03:49.49`	`Sutoka`	`☹`
`03:49.50`	`_Sketch_`	`The LANG= in /etc/default/locale needs to be en_US.UTF-8. Japanese text now working. Hurray!`
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`03:51.19`	`_Sketch_`	`Thanks to Jucato, Renze, Shi... Shi... er.. Well, a good number of people here, actually.`
`03:51.29`	`Jondo`	`Does anyone know if Akregator will work with cookies?`
`03:51.37`	`Renze`	`mmmmm... cookies...`
`03:52.07`	`Sutoka`	`~say ☠`
`03:52.16`	`apt`	`☠`
`03:52.55`	`Renze`	`☮, man`
`03:53.56`	`icwiener`	`Doesn't Akregator use Konqueror to display websites? Doesn't it use it to store cookies then, as well?`
`03:54.46`	`Sutoka`	`i believe so`
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`04:20.59`	`Shirakawasuna`	`darn, no go`
`04:21.10`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: still there?`
`04:21.16`	`Sutoka`	`yes`
`04:21.25`	`Jucato`	`no he's not...`
`04:21.28`	`Sutoka`	`did you add Japan layout to your active layouts?`
`04:21.39`	`Sutoka`	`im not??? oh`
`04:21.41`	`Sutoka`	`sorry`
`04:21.42`	`Sutoka`	`im not here`
`04:21.55`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: yep, added it`
`04:21.56`	`icwiener`	`I'm here, if anyone cares.`
`04:21.57`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: didn't work`
`04:22.06`	`Renze`	`did I just imagine Sutoka saying something?`
`04:22.08`	`Sutoka`	`Shirakawasuna: did you switch to it using the tray icon?`
`04:22.13`	`Shirakawasuna`	`yep`
`04:22.18`	`Shirakawasuna`	`then I typed gibberish`
`04:22.18`	`Sutoka`	`icwiener: no one cares`
`04:22.25`	`Jucato`	`はい`
`04:22.27`	`Shirakawasuna`	`icwiener: death to wieners`
`04:22.35`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Jucato: darn you ;)`
`04:22.39`	`Jucato`	`is that the right spelling for Hai?`
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`04:22.43`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Jucato: are you copy+pasting?`
`04:22.57`	`Jucato`	`Shirakawasuna: no... Insert -> Special Characters.. @_@`
`04:23.21`	`Renze`	`シ`
`04:23.26`	`Jucato`	`hehe`
`04:25.18`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hrm`
`04:25.33`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: does typing 'locale' show POSIX for everything?`
`04:26.08`	`Sutoka`	`no, en_US.UTF-8 for everything`
`04:26.26`	`Sutoka`	`and ARG! caps lock is on... but i remapped the caps lock key!!!`
`04:26.58`	`Sutoka`	`thats why... the caps lock key WASNT unmapped!`
`04:27.23`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sutoka: perhaps that's it`
`04:27.33`	`Sutoka`	`nope, didn't work`
`04:27.37`	`Sutoka`	`:-/`
`04:27.39`	`Shirakawasuna`	`gotta change it to UTF-8`
`04:29.04`	`Sutoka`	`yeah you need them to be UTF-8`
`04:29.11`	`Sutoka`	`otherwise you should just get blocks`
`04:29.17`	`Renze`	`I don't get blocks`
`04:29.19`	`smacnay`	`Is there any kde app that would change my machine's network config without me telling it to?`
`04:29.36`	`Renze`	`smacnay: no`
`04:29.37`	`Sutoka`	`smacnay: not in kde proper`
`04:30.28`	`smacnay`	`amarok?`
`04:30.50`	`Renze`	`no, amarok will not change network settings`
`04:30.55`	`smacnay`	`Seems my machine's ip address is being changed from a lan address of 192.168.0.2 to an address of 69.xx.xx.xx`
`04:31.10`	`smacnay`	`I am wondering what would do that. Some worm maybe?`
`04:31.27`	`Sutoka`	`dhcpcd?`
`04:31.36`	`smacnay`	`I am behind a hardware router.`
`04:31.41`	`Sutoka`	`what distro are you running?`
`04:31.52`	`smacnay`	`Sutoka: maybe... shouldn't be running though.`
`04:31.59`	`smacnay`	`Sutoka: debian testing`
`04:33.05`	`Sutoka`	`any other computers on your lan doing the same thing?`
`04:33.46`	`Shirakawasuna`	`bah`
`04:33.55`	`smacnay`	`no. The other computers get their ip address from the hw router. Mine is static.`
`04:34.00`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: if you turn on the japanese keyboard layout does it work for you?`
`04:34.17`	`Renze`	`I don't use keyboard layouts... want me to try it anyway?`
`04:34.27`	`Sutoka`	`though it screws up the manually defined keys i've set when i switch :-(`
`04:34.27`	`Shirakawasuna`	`for some reason my locale values aren't changing even though I'm following this guide`
`04:34.31`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: yes please :)`
`04:34.36`	`smacnay`	`Maybe I should set mine to dhcp and allow the router to assign an address. Or assign an address corresponding with my MAC.`
`04:34.41`	`Sutoka`	`your locale shouldn't change AFAIK`
`04:35.11`	`Shirakawasuna`	`won't change your xorg.conf`
`04:35.12`	`Renze`	`I am now using japanese keyboard layout, but still typing in english`
`04:35.39`	`Shirakawasuna`	`ok, good to know`
`04:35.43`	`Shirakawasuna`	`thanks`
`04:35.44`	`Sutoka`	`Renze: doesn't look like its working then`
`04:35.55`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I'm going to restart because it recommended that if the locale settings didn't change, brb`
`04:35.58`	`Sutoka`	`when i switch to japanese layout, i type using japanese characters and not latin`
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`04:54.24`	`Shirakawasuna`	`well I was going to complain about the locale changing but japanese still not working but then I noticed a stupid typo >_<. brb`
`04:54.36`	`Jucato`	`O_O`
`04:55.10`	`Renze`	`シ`
`04:57.50`	`Renze`	`if シ == shi, what about シt`
`04:58.18`	`Jucato`	`lol`
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`05:28.49`	`odla`	`does compiz and AIGLX work with kde?`
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`05:29.44`	`Renze`	`if you replace kwin, yes... but you lose all of kwin's features`
`05:30.04`	`odla`	`all that for silly wobbly windows?`
`05:30.24`	`Renze`	`odla: yes... all that for useless eye-candy ;)`
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`05:30.30`	`Jucato`	`the cube, translucency/shadows, windows switcher`
`05:31.03`	`odla`	`is that the same thing with all this beryl stuff?`
`05:31.06`	`Renze`	`odla: just wait for KDE4, which will have similar stuff`
`05:31.18`	`Jucato`	`beryl is a fork of compiz`
`05:31.19`	`Renze`	`beryl is a fork of compiz... they essentially do the same job`
`05:31.20`	`odla`	`Renze: do you know when kde4 will be released?`
`05:31.25`	`Renze`	`mid 2007`
`05:31.37`	`odla`	`nice`
`05:31.42`	`Renze`	`Jucato: get out of my head! ;)`
`05:31.45`	`odla`	`i hope they replace kmenu`
`05:31.50`	`Jucato`	`lol`
`05:32.12`	`odla`	`it reminds me too much of the windows start menu`
`05:32.52`	`Jucato`	`...`
`05:33.32`	`odla`	`Jucato: you mean like gnome?`
`05:33.52`	`Jucato`	`I said I prefer that (K Menu) to GNOME's menu`
`05:34.03`	`Jucato`	`meaning I prefer K Menu over GNOME's`
`05:34.11`	`odla`	`Jucato: yeah i meant 3 seperate toop-level ie gnome`
`05:34.20`	`Jucato`	`I know`
`05:34.29`	`Jucato`	`I was implying that`
`05:34.32`	`odla`	`ok`
`05:34.40`	`odla`	`yeah i don't really care for gnome's setup either`
`05:34.59`	`Renze`	`curse those gnomes and their pointy beards!`
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`05:35.57`	`odla`	`gnome would be better if they had a konqueror`
`05:36.13`	`Jucato`	`but then they wouldn't be GNOME :)`
`05:36.18`	`odla`	`it's true`
`05:36.58`	`odla`	`they also wouldn't be GNOME if they didn't think their users were stupid and incapable of customizing a desktop`
`05:37.34`	`Renze`	`in most cases they're right... but that is no reason to punish those who can ;)`
`05:38.05`	`Jucato`	`Renze's rule #1`
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`05:43.17`	`Arafangion`	`odla: Gnome users generally feel that Firefox is good enough.`
`05:44.04`	`Arafangion`	`odla: And seriously, making a new browser from scratch is overkill.`
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`06:23.14`	`ArrenLex`	`Thank you.`
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`07:30.20`	`tyler-wylie`	`I have gnome installed on my system and when I download lets say... a tarball of something the gnome archive dealy opens up where would I change that so it's all kde apps`
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`07:31.12`	`Renze`	`tyler-wylie: kcontrol -> kde components -> file associations`
`07:32.07`	`tyler-wylie`	`Renze: wow that's a pretty huge list...damnit it'll take a while hehe`
`07:32.18`	`Renze`	`yup ;)`
`07:33.13`	`tyler-wylie`	`okay it'd be easier to purge my system of gnome than this list`
`07:34.17`	`Renze`	`you'll be glad you did ;)`
`07:34.30`	`tyler-wylie`	`yea I spent about 4 months with gnome tweaking`
`07:34.52`	`tyler-wylie`	`now time for kde`
`07:34.55`	`tyler-wylie`	`and it's already faster`
`07:34.58`	`tyler-wylie`	`prelinking ftw`
`07:35.50`	`tstaerk`	`tyler-wylie: are you an inside regarding libs etc. ?`
`07:35.50`	`Renze`	`it also uses less memory, has tighter integration and consistency, and a great bunch of developers`
`07:36.24`	`tyler-wylie`	`tstaerk: inside?`
`07:36.38`	`tyler-wylie`	`Renze: well memory isn't an issue, or else i'd be using xfce`
`07:36.48`	`tstaerk`	`tyler-wylie: I mean, if you really want to discuss lib development etc., join us at kde-devel`
`07:37.10`	`tyler-wylie`	`Renze: and I like the integration, when I use kde or gnome I use apps that are...native... evolution and epiphany and now kmail konq etc`
`07:37.15`	`tstaerk`	`tyler-wylie: I personally am happy about everyone bringing know-how from gnome`
`07:37.47`	`tyler-wylie`	`tstaerk: I only really know how to program in python...and I'm not brave enough to start c or c++ yet but if you ask me questions I'll try to answer :)`
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`08:07.34`	`tyler-wylie`	`tstaerk: it's the best terminal evah`
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`08:10.58`	`tyler-wylie`	`Compiling KDevelop now, another great app`
`08:11.07`	`tstaerk`	`yes!!!`
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`08:30.57`	`tyler-wylie`	`I'm in love with Konqueror`
`08:31.08`	`tstaerk`	`konqueror, I want a child from you !`
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`08:31.26`	`noteventime`	`Welcome to the club ;)`
`08:31.52`	`noteventime`	`And it will be even better in KDE4 O_O`
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`08:31.55`	`tyler-wylie`	`Konqueror > Epiphany > *`
`08:32.08`	`tyler-wylie`	`No one realizes how good the default browsers are for gnome and kde`
`08:32.09`	`tyler-wylie`	`it's really sad`
`08:32.15`	`tstaerk`	`you know you can use konqueror for any kpart application ?`
`08:32.23`	`tyler-wylie`	`kpart?`
`08:32.24`	`tyler-wylie`	`explain`
`08:32.31`	`noteventime`	`3.5.5 optimised the khtml rendering engine, right?`
`08:32.35`	`tstaerk`	`hm, I feared that question.`
`08:33.11`	`tstaerk`	`tyler-wylie: I wrote a plugin for kontact. That plugin is a kpart.`
`08:33.25`	`tstaerk`	`so-to-say a kapplication without its frame`
`08:33.39`	`tstaerk`	`it can be embedded in any kapplication's frame, e.g. kontact`
`08:33.44`	`tstaerk`	`or konqueror.`
`08:34.30`	`tyler-wylie`	`ah cool`
`08:34.44`	`tyler-wylie`	`Apple helped a lot with developing khtml eh?`
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`08:37.15`	`tyler-wylie`	`back to reading up on urxvt tweaks`
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`08:57.35`	`Renze`	`tyler-wylie: Apple forked khtml to make webkit... they returned the favour by supplying some patches, but not many. Now they don't share much at all.`
`08:57.55`	`Renze`	`never trust faceless corporations`
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`09:00.38`	`hkBst`	`it's too bad they don't cooperate, but their webkit will still be GPL.`
`09:01.17`	`Renze`	`I'm sure they will do their best to "fix" that`
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`09:02.25`	`hkBst`	`heh, haven't had your oliebollen?`
`09:02.52`	`Renze`	`don't have the ingredients... or a deep fryer yet`
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`09:03.09`	`Renze`	`hopefully before new years`
`09:04.38`	`tyler-wylie`	`Renze: well they did help a little bit then :p`
`09:05.07`	`Renze`	`tyler-wylie: only when it was reported in the media that they were being assholes`
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`09:52.29`	`n3storm`	`hi everyone`
`09:52.49`	`n3storm`	`I want to share a calendar with kontact`
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`09:53.02`	`n3storm`	`I have been searching for information about this`
`09:53.19`	`n3storm`	`and it looks like the best choice is to use webdav`
`09:53.25`	`stjepan`	`www.msfirefox.com - have GREAT fun :D`
`09:53.58`	`n3storm`	`but on the other hand I've read about caldav and groupdav`
`09:54.14`	`n3storm`	`and I'm a bit confused`
`09:54.22`	`n3storm`	`any ideas?`
`09:55.05`	`n3storm`	`a webdav will be enough for 4 o 5 users?`
`09:55.18`	`n3storm`	`(my mate, some family and me)`
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`09:56.28`	`n3storm`	`maybe another channel?`
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`10:02.14`	`thiago`	`n3storm: Kolab`
`10:02.19`	`thiago`	`share via IMAP`
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`10:03.06`	`n3storm`	`thiago: Kolab is a bit "out of place" with their package system`
`10:03.10`	`n3storm`	`don't you think?`
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`10:03.36`	`n3storm`	`maybe I can prepare an IMAP server`
`10:03.44`	`thiago`	`n3storm: then use your distribution's packaging of Kolab`
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`10:03.52`	`n3storm`	`thank you very much thiago`
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`10:04.00`	`n3storm`	`mmm`
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`10:04.28`	`n3storm`	`thiago: ei`
`10:04.40`	`n3storm`	`I have packages now for kolab!`
`10:04.49`	`n3storm`	`last time I checked there wasn't`
`10:04.52`	`n3storm`	`thanks again`
`10:05.00`	`thiago`	`you can also simply share the calendar with IMAP (without Kolab), but that isn't a groupware solution`
`10:05.28`	`shadok`	`is there a way to set amarok to center the playlist view on the actuel playing track ?`
`10:05.32`	`shadok`	`*actual`
`10:05.56`	`thiago`	`that's generally interesting for one user with more than one Kontact`
`10:07.58`	`n3storm`	`I will definitelly go for Kolab`
`10:08.00`	`n3storm`	`:)`
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`10:19.32`	`pinotree`	`-.-`
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`11:37.26`	`nado`	`hi there`
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`11:38.02`	`nado`	`does somebody know a good icq client except centericq or bitlbee? something that looks a little nicer ;)`
`11:39.10`	`thiago`	`Kopete`
`11:40.20`	`nado`	`that's what i'm using right now, but i hate it`
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`11:40.51`	`nado`	`ever heard of miranda im? the best client i ever used, too bad it's for windows only`
`11:42.20`	`thiago`	`nado: then you shouldn't be asking in a KDE channel...`
`11:42.26`	`thiago`	`since we tend to like Kopete and recommend it`
`11:42.32`	`thiago`	`what don't you like in it anyways?`
`11:42.56`	`nado`	`i think it's bloated`
`11:43.07`	`thiago`	`now try something more objective`
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`11:43.18`	`nado`	`;)`
`11:43.28`	`shastry`	`is there any timetable like app for kde ?`
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`11:43.49`	`MinceR`	`like a calendar?`
`11:43.54`	`shastry`	`timetable`
`11:43.56`	`shastry`	`for school`
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`11:44.05`	`shastry`	`and calendar too`
`11:44.14`	`thiago`	`nado: does Kopete consume too much memory, is that it? Is it too slow?`
`11:44.16`	`MinceR`	`for calendar, there's kontact`
`11:44.43`	`shastry`	`yeah i use that for now`
`11:45.07`	`MinceR`	`as for timetables, it probably supports repeating events, so you could use those`
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`11:45.17`	`MinceR`	`i do so on my palm, and i've imported it into kontact`
`11:45.31`	`shastry`	`ah ok`
`11:45.47`	`nado`	`no thiago, it's not really too slow.... hmm how could i explain that.... umm, there's many useless stuff in it on the one hand, on the other hand it lacks some functions i would like to have`
`11:45.48`	`chakie_work`	`are there any other icq clients for kde? kopete refuses to connect (worked fine in 3.5.4) and says that i'm connected from multiple locations (i'm not)`
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`11:46.26`	`nado`	`if you right-click a contact, there's so much input and functions nobody needs`
`11:46.27`	`grothesk`	`chakie_work: Known issue. AOL changed protocols.`
`11:46.41`	`MinceR`	`licq uses qt, though not kdelibs`
`11:46.41`	`chakie_work`	`grothesk: a few days ago?`
`11:46.44`	`grothesk`	`Patch is already there, chakie_work`
`11:47.03`	`grothesk`	`Work around: Set a global identity in kopete for yourself.`
`11:47.11`	`chakie_work`	`grothesk: ok, i'll try that`
`11:47.48`	`nado`	`what i'm looking for is a simple client that can be extended by plugins just the way i like it`
`11:47.54`	`shastry`	`i got that error too icq thing`
`11:48.03`	`shastry`	`and it hasnt managed to connect ever since`
`11:48.14`	`shastry`	`its happening only since last 1 or 2 days`
`11:48.27`	`thiago`	`chakie_work: you need to upgrade Kopete to last night's if you want it to connect to ICQ or AIM`
`11:48.34`	`shastry`	`:o`
`11:49.02`	`chakie_work`	`thiago: oh, ok. that's too much work just to chat with my wife`
`11:49.12`	`chakie_work`	`she'll understand`
`11:49.16`	`nado`	`haha :D`
`11:49.23`	`shastry`	`lol`
`11:49.38`	`chakie_work`	`so icq as a protocol is crap then? if it changes all the time`
`11:49.59`	`shastry`	`i prefer jabber over everything for simple chat`
`11:50.18`	`thiago`	`chakie_work: of course it is.`
`11:50.32`	`chakie_work`	`thiago: ok :)`
`11:50.37`	`thiago`	`chakie_work: it manages to be even more crap than other protocols like MSN`
`11:50.40`	`grothesk`	`OSCAR (the protocol behind AIM and ICQ) is propritairy. So if AOL changes protocols, 3rd-party-clients may brake.`
`11:50.45`	`thiago`	`the only one that isn't so is Jabber.`
`11:50.48`	`grothesk`	`So use jabber!`
`11:50.59`	`chakie_work`	`heh, i've never used jabber`
`11:51.01`	`nado`	`i would but the whole world uses icq :-(`
`11:51.09`	`thiago`	`not only is OSCAR proprietary, it's also very cryptic and hard to understand.`
`11:51.09`	`shastry`	`jabber or google talk ?`
`11:51.19`	`shastry`	`google talk uses jabber`
`11:51.20`	`thiago`	`shastry: Google Talk is Jabber.`
`11:51.23`	`chakie_work`	`a few years ago i tried to get online with jabber, and it was so damn complicated i couldn't do it. it was just impossible`
`11:51.25`	`shastry`	`yep`
`11:51.37`	`thiago`	`rather, it's XMPP, the same protocol, but not the same service.`
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`11:51.45`	`grothesk`	`chakie_work: It is not (anymore). kopete supports jabber nicely.`
`11:51.58`	`shastry`	`yeah`
`11:52.13`	`shastry`	`even your wife could create an account :)`
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`11:53.59`	`chakie_work`	`jabber is weird`
`11:54.32`	`nado`	`btw, why doesn't my kopete play any sounds?`
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`11:57.05`	`tech9iner`	`so anyone know where mplayer's 's' key called png screenshots are hidden please?.. lol. damned if they're ending up where mplayers manpage claims me experience here?`
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`11:57.46`	`tech9iner`	`i just took like 3 via manpage's claims and then literally did system wide search for *.png last hour. nuttin honey..`
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`12:06.20`	`thiago`	`tech9iner: either in $HOME or in $PWD`
`12:06.41`	`thiago`	`also note that you need -vf screenshot`
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`12:07.20`	`tech9iner`	`thiago thanks as usual mate. sadly just had a bloke in #mplayer share same. me 1st attempt here = ''' Error parsing option on the command line: -vf '''`
`12:07.59`	`tech9iner`	`thiago via console and cli 'mplayer -loop 0 -fs -vf Heroes.S01E06.HDTV.XviD-NoTV.avi' to be clear as mud`
`12:08.18`	`tech9iner`	`syntax'd badly ill assume`
`12:08.19`	`Liquid_Fire`	`-vf screenshot, not just -vf`
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`12:08.54`	`tech9iner`	`ahhh. nice. the manpage isnt clear on that to video brains like mine. thanks muchly Liquid_Fire .. appreciate the handup..`
`12:09.28`	`thiago`	`if you knew that "-vf" means "video filter", you'd know`
`12:09.36`	`thiago`	`mplayer has a lot of filters`
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`12:10.24`	`thiago`	`like the delogo filter: Suppresses a TV station logo by a simple interpolation of the surrounding pixels. Just set a rectangle covering the logo and watch it disappear (and sometimes something even uglier appear - your mileage may vary).`
`12:12.07`	`tech9iner`	`wowowow lol thiago .. amazing bits .... i was pissed that my heroes file mentioned above had silly nbc peacock logo. niyice..`
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`12:12.57`	`tech9iner`	`and the manpage?.. this is ideal i.e. case n point for geeky unintuitive manpages hehe. manpage tells me ''' s (-vf screenshot only) Take a screenshot. S (-vf screenshot only) Start/stop taking screenshots. '''`
`12:13.11`	`thiago`	`-vf pp is a good one too`
`12:14.05`	`thiago`	`that's an 's'`
`12:14.25`	`tech9iner`	`parentheses in those manpage lines ??.. htf is a gui dep uber nongeek like me me suposed to parse that cli = -vf screenshot versus my assumed -vf only?.. hehe`
`12:14.51`	`tech9iner`	`thiago man you have given me some fun mplayer fodder this day indeed.. ;]]`
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`12:16.24`	`tech9iner`	`thiago ironic you volunteered the logo cropper bits mate. i started this whole 'howto' due fact i wanted a specific screenshot of the heroes tv series video for desktop bground png. and was cursing fact id have to see nbc logo. not now!! hehe`
`12:16.41`	`thiago`	`note the YMMV`
`12:17.25`	`tech9iner`	`in manpage?.. ymmv rings a foggy distant bell mate. but dont recall from where`
`12:17.41`	`tech9iner`	`nevermind lemme look for it helpful thiago ;]]`
`12:17.58`	`tech9iner`	`bein bit lazy even for mehehe`
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`12:23.44`	`thiago`	`"your mileage may vary"`
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`12:25.25`	`tech9iner`	`haha thiago .. nice acronym hehe`
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`12:37.02`	`RFC_1149`	`Can anyone help me with a problem with starting konqueror?`
`12:37.22`	`tyler-wylie`	`RFC_1149: error? unless it's more than 3 lines?`
`12:37.23`	`thiago`	`1149? Isn't that the IRC RFC?`
`12:37.23`	`RFC_1149`	`Here is the last few lines of the strace: write(9, "\1\2\1\0\347\0\0\0[\0\0\0", 12) = 12`
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`12:37.24`	`RFC_1149`	`write(9, "\0\0\0\17konqueror-9819\0\0\0\0\5kded\0\0\0\0\t"..., 66) = 66`
`12:37.24`	`RFC_1149`	`write(9, "\0\0\0\10\0h\0t\0t\0p\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\0"..., 165) = 165`
`12:37.24`	`RFC_1149`	`read(9, <unfinished ...>`
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`12:37.39`	`thiago`	`RFC_1149: looks like an unfinished DCOP call.`
`12:37.42`	`RFC_1149`	`thiago: no, its not`
`12:37.55`	`RFC_1149`	`Its IP over Avian Carrier`
`12:38.07`	`thiago`	`ah, right, of course :-)`
`12:38.23`	`RFC_1149`	`Well it freezes there and performs no further work, I need to ctrl-c it`
`12:38.32`	`RFC_1149`	`Avian carriers can provide high delay, low throughput, and low`
`12:38.33`	`RFC_1149`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:38.40`	`tech9iner`	`thiago sadly. finally via your handup have screenshots. yet they're not fullscreen as viewed. obviously screenshots depend on the video's resolution huh. any last tricks to capture it fullscreen on my 1280x1024 here please?.. or perhaps gimp the size up 4 times be my best tact?.. thanks`
`12:38.41`	`thiago`	`can you run again with -s 256?`
`12:38.48`	`RFC_1149`	`Any ideas?`
`12:39.07`	`RFC_1149`	`I've run a prelink against the kde binaries after the last update, so that can be ruled out`
`12:39.07`	`thiago`	`tech9iner: scale up the image`
`12:39.13`	`thiago`	`RFC_1149: -s 256`
`12:39.19`	`thiago`	`(to strace)`
`12:39.27`	`tech9iner`	`thiago thanks mate.. ;]]`
`12:39.30`	`RFC_1149`	`Sorry, I thought - s 256 was a reply to tech9iner`
`12:40.19`	`thiago`	`I want to know the write lines only, the last two`
`12:40.24`	`RFC_1149`	`(the <unfinished> bit comes when I ctrl c the process`
`12:40.37`	`RFC_1149`	`write(9, "\0\0\0\17konqueror-9991\0\0\0\0\5kded\0\0\0\0\tfavicons\0\0\0\0\21iconForURL(KURL)\0\0\0\0\245", 66) = 66`
`12:40.37`	`thiago`	`I know`
`12:40.38`	`RFC_1149`	`write(9, "\0\0\0\10\0h\0t\0t\0p\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\0\0\0\34\0w\0w\0w\0.\0g\0o\0o\0g\0l\0e\0.\0c\0o\0m\0\0\0\16\0/\0s\0e\0a\0r\0c\0h\0\0\0\16\0/\0s\0e\0a\0r\0c\0h\0\0\0B\0?\0q\0=\0s\0o\0m\0e\0+\0k\0e\0y\0w\0o\0r\0d\0&\0i\0e\0=\0U\0T\0F\0-\0008\0&\0o\0e\0=\0U\0T\0F\0-\0008\377\377\377\377\0\0\0", 165) = 165`
`12:40.47`	`RFC_1149`	`Sorry - stupid comment`
`12:40.56`	`thiago`	`favicons, iconForURL`
`12:41.05`	`thiago`	`tell me if this freezes: "dcop kded"`
`12:41.21`	`RFC_1149`	`It doesnt do anything`
`12:41.25`	`RFC_1149`	`Just does a newline and hangs`
`12:41.37`	`RFC_1149`	`Strace shows`
`12:41.38`	`RFC_1149`	`write(3, "\1\2\1\0>\0\0\0^\0\0\0", 12) = 12`
`12:41.39`	`RFC_1149`	`write(3, "\0\0\0\20anonymous-10071\0\0\0\0\5kded\0\0\0\0"..., 62) = 62`
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`12:41.50`	`thiago`	`"yes" would have sufficed :-)`
`12:41.53`	`thiago`	`your kded is hung somewhere`
`12:41.58`	`thiago`	`can you get a backtrace off it?`
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`12:42.11`	`Flosoft`	`hey @ all`
`12:42.22`	`Flosoft`	`I have heard that KDE will be comming out for Windows too?`
`12:42.22`	`str4nd`	`hey @ Flosoft`
`12:42.30`	`Flosoft`	`KDE 4 ?`
`12:42.36`	`Flosoft`	`is that true?`
`12:42.37`	`thiago`	`Flosoft: don't believe everything you hear.`
`12:42.38`	`RFC_1149`	`thiago: okay - I'm a relative newbie with Linux, so I don't know much about debugging`
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`12:42.53`	`RFC_1149`	`KDE works on windows (under cygwin)`
`12:43.04`	`Flosoft`	`yeah`
`12:43.27`	`Flosoft`	`but I heard that KDE 4 would come for Windows natively?`
`12:43.34`	`Flosoft`	`so without Cygwin`
`12:43.35`	`_tbscope`	`kdelibs will be available`
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`12:44.09`	`thiago`	RFC_1149: gdb -pid `pidof kded`. Then type "bt" when it finishes loading. Paste the result to rafb.net/paste/
`12:44.22`	`thiago`	`Flosoft: don't believe everything you hear.`
`12:45.44`	`Flosoft`	`it's written on Golem.de`
`12:45.52`	`RFC_1149`	`thiago: bt isn't installed, am trying to install it. Will revert back to you when done.`
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`12:46.06`	`thiago`	`RFC_1149: it's "gdb" that you want to install.`
`12:46.08`	`thiago`	`not "bt"`
`12:46.16`	`_tbscope`	`Flosoft: part of the kdelibs will be ported to windows, not kde itself`
`12:46.16`	`thiago`	`Flosoft: like I said, don't believe everything you read.`
`12:46.22`	`RFC_1149`	`Thanks, you saved me 5 minutes`
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`12:47.37`	`RFC_1149`	`rpm -qa \|grep gdb gives: gdb-6.5-13.fc6 gdbm-devel-1.8.0-26.2.1 gdbm-1.8.0-26.2.1`
`12:47.43`	`thiago`	`so it's installed`
`12:47.48`	`RFC_1149`	`But bt isn't an available commnd`
`12:47.56`	`thiago`	`inside gdb?`
`12:48.09`	`RFC_1149`	`Wait`
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`12:48.41`	`RFC_1149`	gdb -pid `pidof kded`
`12:48.42`	`RFC_1149`	`bash: pidof: command not found`
`12:48.58`	`thiago`	`ah, it's pidof`
`12:49.02`	`thiago`	`get kded's PID then`
`12:49.11`	`timonator`	`where would i look for another keyboard layout for KTouch?`
`12:50.08`	`RFC_1149`	`bt : http://rafb.net/paste/results/bWQQUX70.txt`
`12:50.42`	`thiago`	`RFC_1149: very weird`
`12:50.59`	`RFC_1149`	`The output of the command, or did I do something wrong?`
`12:50.59`	`thiago`	`RFC_1149: let's see if it hangs again. Kill kded and then run this: kdeinit_wrapper kded`
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`12:51.04`	`thiago`	`the output`
`12:51.16`	`thiago`	`I have no idea why it would hang inside parseSingleConfigFile`
`12:51.26`	`RFC_1149`	`Wait`
`12:51.35`	`RFC_1149`	`I killed gdb`
`12:51.50`	`RFC_1149`	`Then it "detatched" the kded and give me the pid`
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`12:52.08`	`RFC_1149`	`I ran kill -KILL 4299 (the pid) and konqueror popped up`
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`12:52.24`	`RFC_1149`	`Now it works....`
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`12:52.40`	`RFC_1149`	`Should I restart x/KDE and see if the issue repeats?`
`12:52.44`	`thiago`	`SIGTERM would've been nicer, but ok`
`12:52.47`	`thiago`	`yes, please`
`12:52.53`	`RFC_1149`	`brb`
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`12:54.08`	`RFC_1149`	`Interesting`
`12:54.12`	`RFC_1149`	`Konqueror now works`
`12:54.39`	`RFC_1149`	`It spits out`
`12:54.39`	`RFC_1149`	`QPixmap::resize: TODO: resize alpha data`
`12:54.39`	`RFC_1149`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:54.54`	`RFC_1149`	`Want to see the new strace or any other information about the system?`
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`12:55.15`	`thiago`	`no`
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`12:55.25`	`thiago`	`something really weird happened and I have no idea what`
`12:55.37`	`thiago`	`especially since select isn't called from inside parseSingleConfigFile`
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`12:55.57`	`RFC_1149`	`Would it be advisable to reboot and check KDE again?`
`12:56.38`	`thiago`	`not necessary`
`12:56.43`	`thiago`	`looks like a one-time occasion`
`12:56.49`	`RFC_1149`	`Also, is this indicative of something nasty on the system. I always check the gpg sigs of packages, and if you say select isn't called in that function, then has my system been modified?`
`12:57.11`	`RFC_1149`	`thiago, thanks a lot for your help. (and now I know how to do a proper backtrace)`
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`12:57.55`	`thiago`	`well, your backtrace was very garbled because of optimisation`
`12:57.59`	`thiago`	`maybe it wasn't reliable`
`12:58.14`	`RFC_1149`	`Was that to do with prelinking the binaries?`
`12:58.16`	`thiago`	`maybe, OTOH, a function called from parseSingleConfig file actually selects (maybe mmap?)`
`12:58.18`	`hkBst`	`RFC_1149: you might want wo enable -ggdb to get a really good bt`
`12:58.20`	`thiago`	`no, I don't think so`
`12:58.40`	`webben`	`Sorry nobody seems to be talking in #khtml. If I put an XML filter in KTTS, and get Konqueror to speak, it speaks the original markup, not the text or the transformed content.`
`12:58.42`	`webben`	`Why?`
`12:58.56`	`RFC_1149`	`hkBst; thanks, I'll bear that in mind`
`12:59.01`	`RFC_1149`	`thiago - thanks again`
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`13:00.38`	`thiago`	`there's a great difference between "need", "should", "can" and "is available to be"`
`13:00.53`	`thiago`	`you probably don't need to learn much more at all`
`13:00.56`	`thiago`	`you should learn a bit more`
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`13:01.00`	`RFC_1149`	`s/need/should/`
`13:01.08`	`thiago`	`whether you can learn more (and not forget), it's up to you`
`13:01.21`	`RFC_1149`	`To be fair, I've only been using Linux for just over 6/7 months now`
`13:01.23`	`thiago`	`and, finally, there's a lot more available to be learnt that won't be at all useful to you`
`13:01.33`	`RFC_1149`	`I was a windows admin for long before that`
`13:01.42`	`RFC_1149`	`But now I use Linux at home :D`
`13:01.45`	`thiago`	`I've been using for 9 years and there's still a lot to be learned or that I could learn`
`13:02.27`	`RFC_1149`	`9 years. Impressive, was that around kernel 0.6 or something?`
`13:02.38`	`thiago`	`2.0.29 was my first`
`13:02.49`	`RFC_1149`	`I gave kernel 2.2 a stab but couldn't get my hardware to work properly on it`
`13:02.56`	`RFC_1149`	`That was a good few years ago`
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`13:03.09`	`RFC_1149`	`Slackware 9 I think it was...or maybe Mandrake 8`
`13:03.40`	`RFC_1149`	Any chance of adding "Torvalds says `use KDE`" to the topic?
`13:03.48`	`thiago`	`heh, mine was "Slackware 3.2"`
`13:04.00`	`thiago`	`no need to do that. We all know that we should use KDE :-)`
`13:04.05`	`RFC_1149`	`lol`
`13:04.27`	`exhale`	`no need to flamebait`
`13:04.28`	`exhale`	`:)`
`13:04.43`	`RFC_1149`	`Most new fedora 6 users use gnome because of compiz. But when they find out you can get compiz in kde....`
`13:04.44`	`thiago`	`and that too`
`13:04.46`	`tech9iner`	`lol. flamebait..`
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`13:04.56`	`RFC_1149`	`exhale: Its not flamebait when its in the KDE channel`
`13:04.59`	`tech9iner`	`sounds like me last overyoung gf actually lol`
`13:05.10`	`exhale`	`RFC_1149: ...`
`13:05.17`	`RFC_1149`	`tech9iner - how?`
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`13:05.55`	`tech9iner`	`?? lol RFC_1149 ?.. lame0 punny mate. jail bait. flame bait. nevermind. hehe`
`13:05.56`	`DDB`	`tech9iner: term "lol RFC_1149 ?.. lame0 punny mate. jail bait. flame bait. nevermind. hehe" is not defined`
`13:06.12`	`tech9iner`	`wtf was that?`
`13:06.20`	`RFC_1149`	`whois DDB`
`13:06.35`	`RFC_1149`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:06.38`	`tech9iner`	`lol. typo that grabbed irc commands never seen till now hehe`
`13:06.53`	`RFC_1149`	`?? return 0 ?`
`13:06.54`	`DDB`	`rfc_1149: term "return 0 ?" is not defined`
`13:07.04`	`RFC_1149`	`?help`
`13:07.12`	`RFC_1149`	`?? help`
`13:07.12`	`DDB`	`rfc_1149: help: see ?? ask`
`13:07.19`	`RFC_1149`	`?? ask`
`13:07.20`	`DDB`	`rfc_1149: ask: Just ask your question. Do not ask to ask. If somebody is around and knows the answer, they will answer. We can't tell you if we can help until you ask. Be patient, some of us do actually do things besides IRC.`
`13:08.19`	`RFC_1149`	`tech9iner: see alt.childlover for that sort of talk...`
`13:09.01`	`tech9iner`	`by the way thanks thiago .. me desktops looking quite tight n tidy now. hehe. been while since i took long enough break to fix this bitch'elor up some fun desktop views hehe. http://tinyurl.com/yangvv desktop 1 and http://tinyurl.com/ya8uhe desktop 2 ;]].. nice views hehe..`
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`13:10.19`	`tech9iner`	`childlover RFC_1149 .. not good at all mate. not even cute here to be clear as mud ...`
`13:10.57`	`RFC_1149`	`tech9iner: sorry. But seriously having an underage gf is pretty similar.`
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`13:11.28`	`RFC_1149`	`tech9iner: maybe I misjudged the tone of the channel, but didn't expect comments about peoples questionable relationships.`
`13:11.46`	`RFC_1149`	`tech9iner: but I'm sure we were just joking around.`
`13:11.54`	`tech9iner`	`grow up RFC_1149 .. something prominent on your mind lad?.. not one fckg time did i mention underage..`
`13:12.19`	`tech9iner`	`RFC_1149 your brain is parsing bits unmentioned on its own..`
`13:12.31`	`RFC_1149`	`tech9iner: the jailbait reference`
`13:12.47`	`tech9iner`	`JHCrikey! lmao`
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`13:13.04`	`RFC_1149`	`tech9iner; perhaps I am a little oversensitive to those references.....sorry`
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`13:14.16`	`RFC_1149`	`tech9er; I like your GkrellM setup btw`
`13:14.30`	`tech9iner`	`perhaps so. enough said. I am a father of 4 great kids and dont cotton to any jokes i.e. underage mate. but. now cleared up. no worries and all good here. just hella ASSumption that one is joking round bout underage shit indeed..`
`13:15.16`	`tech9iner`	`i was referring to a 20 sompn lassie whilst 40 RFC_1149 .. all clear as mud now are we?`
`13:15.30`	`RFC_1149`	`tech9iner: thanks, all good here too. And yes we are clear. Sorry.`
`13:15.49`	`tech9iner`	`no apologies necessary. once clear = all good..`
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`13:16.32`	`tech9iner`	`now back to the important bits RFC_1149 like how much micah's mum on heroes series wants me me me lol`
`13:16.35`	`RFC_1149`	`tech9iner, what GkrellM theme is that?`
`13:17.04`	`RFC_1149`	`lol`
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`13:17.17`	`tech9iner`	`RFC_1149 invisible`
`13:18.40`	`tech9iner`	`lmao RFC_1149 ... now that we be clear n our 'sky's' are all blue n 'punny' again. note whom just nick changed an too what roflmfao. l o v e d a d d y muahahaha`
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`13:19.01`	`tech9iner`	`timing is everything in humour found hehe`
`13:19.07`	`tech9iner`	`humor even`
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`13:21.15`	`hkBst`	`tech9iner: what scene are you talking about?`
`13:23.38`	`tech9iner`	`since the series premiered hkBst .. ali's sexy scenes and all cant touch how flawless she looked through that screen door IMHO .. stood out as shared the moment it was viewed..`
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`13:25.35`	`abuyazan`	`how to set default font size for konsole, where can i find this option`
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`13:27.13`	`visik7`	`???`
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`13:28.39`	`Desintegr`	`visik7: patch available`
`13:28.42`	`Desintegr`	`which distro ?`
`13:28.55`	`visik7`	`kubuntu edgy`
`13:28.57`	`Desintegr`	`hum`
`13:29.27`	`Desintegr`	`bug reported on launchpad ?`
`13:29.32`	`visik7`	`dunno`
`13:29.37`	`visik7`	`let me see the patch`
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`13:30.00`	`visik7`	`where is it =`
`13:30.00`	`visik7`	`?`
`13:30.03`	`^zanDarK`	`hi all`
`13:30.04`	`Desintegr`	`Gentoo CVS`
`13:30.11`	`^zanDarK`	`visik7: hola :D`
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`13:31.19`	`Desintegr`	`http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130630`
`13:31.31`	`Desintegr`	`ah no`
`13:31.38`	`Desintegr`	`http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136566`
`13:31.39`	`Desintegr`	`sorry`
`13:32.04`	`Desintegr`	`I think it's the same bug as in Kubuntu Edgy`
`13:32.32`	`Desintegr`	`and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69583`
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`13:32.46`	`Desintegr`	`fix commited`
`13:32.53`	`Desintegr`	`you should have an update soon`
`13:33.16`	`Desintegr`	`or non-official : http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-edgy/`
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`13:35.33`	`sloef`	`Hi guys`
`13:36.04`	`sloef`	`Is there a place where we can view the progress of kde4?`
`13:36.18`	`lostson`	`is the korganizer bug going across all distros ?`
`13:36.24`	`visik7`	`ok patched now recompiling`
`13:36.29`	`Desintegr`	`visik7: recompiling ?`
`13:36.53`	`Desintegr`	`in edgy-proposed repository I think`
`13:36.57`	`visik7`	`yes I've downloaded the debianized sources I'm recreating the package`
`13:37.14`	`visik7`	`easy task`
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`13:40.36`	`visik7`	`Desintegr: btw nothing in edgy-proposed`
`13:40.42`	`Desintegr`	`ok`
`13:41.02`	`Desintegr`	`in LP bug report : � Thank you; upload approved for -proposed �`
`13:41.42`	`visik7`	`I've proposed in the sourceslist and kopete isn't ther`
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`13:41.56`	`Mirrakor`	`hm.. I can't open my kde wallet anymore?! o.o`
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`13:46.00`	`Mirrakor`	`goeswild`
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`13:51.27`	`webben`	`Is there a KDE accessibility channel anywhere?`
`13:51.35`	`pinotree`	`#kde-accessibility`
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`13:51.57`	`pinotree`	`webben: ^`
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`13:52.19`	`hkBst`	`heh, 3 peeps in there`
`13:52.38`	`Mirrakor`	`are there other #kde-[theme] channels too?`
`13:52.54`	`pinotree`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:53.24`	`Mirrakor`	`nope it isnt :/`
`13:53.30`	`Mirrakor`	`shows me no channels at all`
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`13:55.27`	`webben`	`pinotree: Ah, thanks :)`
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`14:12.22`	`Jucato`	`excuse me, is there a way I could set the order of autostarted programs in ~/.kde/Autostart?`
`14:12.33`	`Suva`	`Hey, the jumping icon problem when program just sends commands to allready running instance instead of launching itself. Is there a fix?`
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`14:13.02`	`Suva`	`Jucato: Alphabetical order? :)`
`14:13.19`	`Jucato`	`Suva: ah it follows alphabetical order?`
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`14:13.30`	`Suva`	`I think so, yes`
`14:13.40`	`Jucato`	`hm.. interesting.. thanks! I'll try that out :)`
`14:13.58`	`Suva`	`If it doesn't write a shellscript which calls programs in any order you desire :)`
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`14:14.26`	`Kryczek`	`hi there! :) I just noticed my Konqueror does not load Java applets (anymore?), even though Java is enabled in the configuration and the J2RE is installed and the java command is accessible at /usr/bin/java`
`14:14.32`	`Kryczek`	`anybody else got that?`
`14:15.02`	`Kryczek`	`it happened first on the page http://www.aprs.net/ which tells me "Sorry, your browser doesn't do Java!" so I thought maybe it was some script that would only work with IE or something`
`14:15.18`	`Kryczek`	`but I just checked with Java applet samples on Sun's website, like here: http://java.sun.com/applets/jdk/1.4/demo/applets/SimpleGraph/example1.html`
`14:15.28`	`Kryczek`	`and the page says: alt="Your browser understands the <APPLET> tag but isn't running the applet, for some reason." Your browser is completely ignoring the <APPLET> tag!`
`14:16.14`	`Jucato`	`hm...`
`14:17.01`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: you might want to try asking in your distro's channel (the page works fine here in Kubuntu)`
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`14:17.46`	`Kryczek`	`Jucato: it's Kubuntu :)`
`14:17.51`	`Jucato`	`lol :)`
`14:18.02`	`Kryczek`	`Jucato: what Konqueror and Java version?`
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`14:18.21`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: 3.5.5, sun-java5`
`14:18.29`	`Kryczek`	`I have Konqueror 3.5.5 on KDE 3.5.5 with Java 1.5.0_06`
`14:18.45`	`Kryczek`	`hmm, where did you get that sun-java5 version string?`
`14:18.56`	`Jucato`	`err no. that's the package I installed`
`14:19.04`	`Jucato`	`sun-java5-bin :)`
`14:19.08`	`Mirrakor`	`wtf? why's my KDE wallet broken again? :(`
`14:19.15`	`Liquid_Fire`	`actually where the java command is is irrelevant, you need to .so for the plugin`
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`14:19.29`	`Liquid_Fire`	`*the`
`14:19.38`	`Kryczek`	`Mirrakor: oh, you too? :D`
`14:19.50`	`Mirrakor`	`Kryczek, you can't open your wallet anymore, too?`
`14:19.51`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: what java package did you install?`
`14:19.55`	`Kryczek`	`Mirrakor: I filed a bug report for it, could you please add a comment to support it?`
`14:20.05`	`Mirrakor`	`sure, where? :D`
`14:20.12`	`Jucato`	`my wallet works fine....`
`14:20.14`	`Kryczek`	`Jucato: sun-java5 too, apparently`
`14:20.18`	`Kryczek`	`Mirrakor: moment plz :)`
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`14:20.35`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: when you installed it, did you remember to do "sudo update-alternatives --config java" ?`
`14:20.35`	`Kryczek`	`Mirrakor: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411`
`14:20.42`	`Mirrakor`	`Kryczek, Distri?`
`14:20.51`	`Kryczek`	`Mirrakor: Kubuntu, if that's what you mean`
`14:20.59`	`Kryczek`	`Jucato: not that I remember... i'm gonna try now`
`14:21.07`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: ok`
`14:21.14`	`Mirrakor`	`yeah, hm, I don't use Kubuntu, but have the same problem, so I'll fill in`
`14:21.33`	`Kryczek`	There are 3 alternatives which provide `java'.
`14:21.43`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: choose the Sun Java version`
`14:21.46`	`Kryczek`	`Jucato: hah, it's still on GCJ, of course it doesnt work!`
`14:21.51`	`Jucato`	`:P`
`14:22.18`	`Kryczek`	`well, actually i'm not sure`
`14:22.26`	`Kryczek`	`there's a + on GCJ and a * on Sun Java`
`14:22.28`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: ah yes, the Kubuntu devs already noticed that I think`
`14:22.31`	`Kryczek`	`Jucato: do you have that too?`
`14:22.43`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: no. I only have Sun Java installed`
`14:22.48`	`Kryczek`	`ok`
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`14:23.09`	`Kryczek`	`Jucato: so you think the KWallet problem is confined to Kubuntu?`
`14:23.16`	`grepper`	`konqueror doesn't use the *.so, it uses ...bin/java`
`14:23.18`	`Jucato`	`let me check the logs`
`14:23.51`	`grepper`	`works here in konq`
`14:24.08`	`Jucato`	`works on my Konqi too`
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`14:24.11`	`grepper`	`uncheck "use security manager"`
`14:24.46`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: they didn't say if it's confined to Kubuntu. but if Mirrakor was able to duplicate the bug, it might be a KDE 3.5.5 bug. Riddell just said that he was aware of the bug`
`14:25.52`	`Kryczek`	`grepper: that solved the problem! thanks :D`
`14:26.09`	`Kryczek`	`grepper: what's that security manager anyway?`
`14:26.19`	`Mirrakor`	`Jucato, hm, nope it's not the same bug, as I have`
`14:26.26`	`grepper`	`it ah . . . manages security :)`
`14:26.42`	`Kryczek`	`Jucato: where did Riddell say that?`
`14:26.49`	`Kryczek`	`still got the url? :)`
`14:27.02`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: in IRC. one of the devs brought it up`
`14:27.08`	`Jucato`	`he just said "I know"`
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`14:27.13`	`Kryczek`	`grepper: hehe, by blocking all sites unless you add them one by one I suppose ;p`
`14:28.21`	`nou`	`is there a known trick to let firefox know a removable device has been plugged ? (as it is done with gnome) In fact i'd like firefox to list the removable device(s) in the folders quicklist when saving something. any idea/pointer ?`
`14:28.45`	`Mirrakor`	`my problem is, I can't open a wallet anymore, it allways says the password is wrong, but i never changed it, and till yesterday it worked fine everytime`
`14:28.59`	`Kryczek`	`Jucato: ok... #kubuntu? so that i can follow what's going on with it :)`
`14:29.20`	`padde`	`nou: i hope firefox doesn't have anything to do with removable devices... this is clearly a lower level thing...`
`14:29.27`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: it was just mentioned in passing the other day. nothing was said about it since`
`14:29.46`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: the bug report is a more reliable way to follow what's going on`
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`14:30.17`	`Kryczek`	`Jucato: yeah, but is there a duplicate one then? mine hasn't been getting any attention apparently: it's still isn't marked as CONFIRMED and GRAVE`
`14:30.35`	`Kryczek`	`losing passwords is "normal", heh`
`14:30.55`	`Desintegr`	`passwords are in your head :)`
`14:30.56`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: no. the dev pointed to the same bug report you made. it isn't marked as confirmed because no dev has been able to confirm it yet.`
`14:30.57`	`nou`	`padde: sure, that's not the question, firefox displays removable devices in the save folders list when a gnome-managed removable device have been pluged, i'd like to know if it's there's know trick to do the same under kde`
`14:31.30`	`Kryczek`	`nou: in /mnt maybe?`
`14:32.09`	`Kryczek`	`Desintegr: not all of them, which is the problem, I've got many`
`14:32.12`	`Liquid_Fire`	`or media:/`
`14:32.25`	`Jucato`	`as Firefox uses GTK for dialog boxes, I don't think there is.`
`14:32.32`	`nou`	`Kryczek: it's /somewhere, but it'd like this /somewhere to be added in firefox save folders lists`
`14:32.41`	`Liquid_Fire`	`well, you can use kgtk to make ff use KDE dialog boxen`
`14:33.00`	`Jucato`	`yes, but the default doesn't use it`
`14:33.04`	`nou`	`Liquid_Fire: oh i did know of kgtk, i look into that, cheers`
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`14:33.20`	`nou`	`i did NOT know :)`
`14:33.35`	`Kryczek`	`nou: oh, you mean in that retarded Save As dialog? I can't stand it`
`14:33.51`	`Kryczek`	`actually I can't even stand Firefox, I just use Konqueror, except when some site doesnt work with it`
`14:33.58`	`nou`	`Kryczek: yep :)`
`14:34.20`	`nou`	`Kryczek: ok i was just asking if there was a known trick to do that`
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`14:34.49`	`thiago`	`and none of them look like they're rendering correctly`
`14:35.00`	`Kryczek`	`nou: maybe Liquid_Fire 's suggestion can help: I didn't know of Kgtk either :)`
`14:35.05`	`Jucato`	`thiago: haha! I think that's a common thing. :)`
`14:35.16`	`DaSkreech`	`thiago: Hope he's asking for a credit card number :)`
`14:35.18`	`Jucato`	`and with AJAX just around the bend, we might even see more of that stuff :P`
`14:35.45`	`thiago`	`Konqueror was off to the right and up (top of the text was off-screen)`
`14:35.55`	`Kryczek`	`thiago: does it render properly in Lynx? :p`
`14:36.04`	`thiago`	`Firefox was off to the bottom and left, so that the text was unreadable because it was over some images`
`14:36.17`	`thiago`	`Opera was off to the right, so the text looked out of place, but was readable`
`14:36.56`	`thiago`	`Kryczek: what do you know? Lynx works just fine ;-)`
`14:37.00`	`Liquid_Fire`	`is the markup and/or CSS of that page valid?`
`14:37.28`	`Kryczek`	`thiago: heh, I was surprised to see not so long ago that Lynx was the only browser supporting HTTPS-PROXY`
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`14:37.55`	`Kryczek`	`so on that particular point it's way in advance compared to all GUI browsers :)`
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`14:39.23`	`nou`	`ok, thx for your answers`
`14:39.25`	`Kryczek`	`but requiring employees to use Lynx as security policy just won't do :\|`
`14:39.36`	`Jucato`	`darn... I thought it was a Sunday today...`
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`14:40.15`	`thiago`	`Jucato: almost like it`
`14:40.46`	`Jucato`	`thiago: it feels a lot like Sunday here, 'cause it's a holiday and my family's home :)`
`14:40.55`	`thiago`	`same here`
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`14:41.08`	`thiago`	`though it feels more like Saturday because I also don't have to wake up early tomorrow either`
`14:41.11`	`Jucato`	`ooh what a coincidence :0`
`14:41.17`	`thiago`	`s/also //`
`14:41.34`	`Jucato`	`hi aseigo! :)`
`14:42.02`	`Mirrakor`	`hm.. is it a bad idea to use special chars for KDEwallet? (like !§$€@%&/() ? )`
`14:42.10`	`Kryczek`	`anybody knows if George Staikos comes to IRC?`
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`14:42.17`	`thiago`	`Mirrakor: for the wallet name?`
`14:42.25`	`thiago`	`Kryczek: yes, he does, but I haven't seen him in a while`
`14:42.27`	`Mirrakor`	`thiago, for the wallet password`
`14:42.28`	`Kryczek`	`Mirrakor: no, my KWallet password is full of these`
`14:42.45`	`Kryczek`	`it's broke, but at least the password works :)`
`14:42.50`	`Jucato`	`bad idea if you can't remember it because of them :)`
`14:43.07`	`Mirrakor`	`Kryczek, mine too actually, but it's the second time now that i completly lost my wallet cause it doesn't accept my password anymore :(`
`14:43.27`	`aseigo`	`Jucato: yep. 07:43`
`14:43.31`	`Kryczek`	`Mirrakor: both times in KDE 3.5.5 ?`
`14:43.47`	`Jucato`	`aseigo: MST?`
`14:43.49`	`Kryczek`	`thiago: what's his nickname usually? staikos?`
`14:43.50`	`aseigo`	`yes`
`14:43.59`	`Mirrakor`	`nope Kryczek`
`14:43.59`	`aseigo`	`Kryczek: pmax`
`14:44.01`	`Jucato`	`whoa! first person I met in IRC who's in MST :)`
`14:44.28`	`Mirrakor`	`one was in KDE 3.5.x(well, directly after updating I guess...) the other time in 3.5.2`
`14:44.46`	`Kryczek`	`hmmm, that's gonna be hard to remember, cause i don't see the connection with his real name`
`14:44.49`	`Kryczek`	`but who am I to tell ;)`
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`14:45.13`	`Kryczek`	`aseigo: in which part of the world are you?`
`14:45.22`	`Kryczek`	`(for us ignorant ppl who dont know MST)`
`14:45.22`	`Mirrakor`	`hm.. damn, there were some important passwords in it, which I don't remember :o`
`14:45.40`	`Jucato`	`Kryczek: MST = Mountain Standard Time in the US`
`14:45.44`	`Kryczek`	`Mirrakor: ok, so there's something really wrong with KWallet in KDE 3.5`
`14:45.46`	`aseigo`	`Kryczek: calgary, canada`
`14:45.52`	`Jucato`	`and that too`
`14:45.52`	`Kryczek`	`ok`
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`14:46.32`	`Kryczek`	`what temperature are you getting there today aseigo? my KWeather says 11 degres and that's damn cold to me :D`
`14:46.34`	`Mirrakor`	`Kryczek, don't know if it's KDE 3.5s fault, could be many things I guess.. I think it happend both times after updating world`
`14:46.37`	`Kryczek`	`(here, I mean)`
`14:47.12`	`Kryczek`	`Mirrakor: indeed, but there are several cases of KWallet failures in KDE 3.5, so it's less than a coincidence imo`
`14:47.24`	`Mirrakor`	`hm.. okay`
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`14:59.09`	`Mirrakor`	`where are you? :D`
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`14:59.28`	`thiago`	`a.k.a. Canada`
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`15:03.19`	`aseigo`	`it'll warm up over the day though...`
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`15:20.50`	`Kurt`	`I can't believe this hasn't been fixed before, though`
`15:21.07`	`aseigo`	`Mirrakor: no. =/`
`15:21.23`	`aseigo`	`-13C .. see. it's warming up =)`
`15:21.26`	`Mirrakor`	`:D`
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`15:23.56`	`Dr_willis`	`let me know when it gets to -13K`
`15:23.57`	`Dr_willis`	`:)`
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`15:26.05`	`Jucato`	`in that kind of weather (switching from cold to hot and vice versa), I'll get sick pretty quick...`
`15:28.53`	`xpato`	`anyone heres use krita?`
`15:29.33`	`thiago`	`sometimes I do`
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`15:30.05`	`shal3r`	`Konsole reports error: 'Uh oh.. can't write data". Why?`
`15:30.16`	`xpato`	`im using it on fedora 5 and i cannot exports to gif`
`15:30.55`	`DaSkreech`	`Jucato: Write a book :)`
`15:31.07`	`Jucato`	`DaSkreech: I'm supposed to learn it first :P`
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`15:31.30`	`DaSkreech`	`Nothing motivatyes like a deadline and the promise of cash flow :)`
`15:31.37`	`Jucato`	`lol`
`15:31.55`	`Jucato`	`cash flow... hm... except if I publish it for free heheh`
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`15:32.38`	`Jucato`	`DaSkreech: are you free for a little testing? I need to confirm a bug...`
`15:32.44`	`DaSkreech`	`You could always publish it with an optional payment for printed version`
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`15:32.53`	`DaSkreech`	`Jucato: Depends on my CBA`
`15:32.57`	`DaSkreech`	`What's it about?`
`15:33.04`	`Jucato`	`kicker. really simple`
`15:33.09`	`DaSkreech`	`Ah ok`
`15:33.46`	`Jucato`	`just Add New Panel -> Panel, then right-click -> Configure Panel and tell me if the drop-down list to choose which Panel to configure is there. :)`
`15:35.18`	`Jucato`	`I wish Renze or Sutoka where here to check if it's a Kubuntu bug or a KDE 3.5.5 one...`
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`15:42.04`	`rcurtis`	`just got a usb headset and have some sound in kde but not amarok - I changed /etc/modprode.d/alsa-base to stop the onboard card being the default`
`15:42.25`	`rcurtis`	`any ideas why no sound in amarok, or other apps ?`
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`15:46.19`	`milliams`	`When I try to open kaffine, it simply closes before anything is displayed`
`15:46.35`	`milliams`	`If I run it from the command line it doesn't output anything at all`
`15:47.02`	`milliams`	`'kaffeine --help' works though`
`15:47.33`	`milliams`	`is there any way to get it display versose errors or to work out what's happening?`
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`15:48.43`	`plazm_`	`w`
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`15:50.23`	`Dr_willis`	`hmm.. no kaffine --versose option eh?`
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`15:51.17`	`rcurtis`	`millams: kaffeine --verbose`
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`15:53.36`	`tek0`	`hi`
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`15:53.56`	`milliams`	`that only outputs any xine errors that kaffeine may encounter`
`15:54.24`	`milliams`	`xine works just fine, as does noatun etc`
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`15:54.30`	`tek0`	`when I lock my session through the k menu, kscreensaver isn't used, I only get a white X-logo`
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`16:04.33`	`Nach`	`I was wondering how I can make application windows transparent`
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`16:04.58`	`Nach`	`would Desktop->Window Behavior->Transluceny what I'm looking for?`
`16:05.05`	`duane`	`is there an easy way to change the color scheme of kde?`
`16:05.15`	`Mirrakor`	`duane, in the control center?`
`16:05.23`	`Mirrakor`	`Nach, should do what you want, yes`
`16:05.30`	`Nach`	`Mirrakor, it seems to have no effect :/`
`16:05.31`	`duane`	`Mirrakor: the color schemes in control center are pretty limited`
`16:05.43`	`Jucato`	`Nach: you need to enable composite in X too`
`16:05.46`	`Mirrakor`	`duane, creat your own :)`
`16:05.49`	`duane`	`it seems like it should be an easier way than picking from a few color schemes`
`16:05.51`	`Jucato`	`duane: you can edit to make your own`
`16:05.52`	`duane`	`Mirrakor: how?`
`16:05.53`	`Nach`	`duane, you can click on part of the picture there and change each thing individually`
`16:06.06`	`Nach`	`Jucato, how do I do that?`
`16:06.09`	`duane`	`Nach: that's kind of what im looking for`
`16:06.11`	`duane`	`thanks`
`16:06.41`	`Mirrakor`	`duane, "create new design"?`
`16:07.02`	`duane`	`Mirrakor: Nach pointed me in the right direction thanks a bunch`
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`16:07.12`	`Mirrakor`	`good :)`
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`16:07.31`	`Mirrakor`	`you can change the color sheme too, if this is what you're looking for ;)`
`16:07.50`	`Nach`	`so what do I have to do to enable composite in X?`
`16:07.56`	`shal3r`	`konsole -e lisp reports: "Konsole is unable to open a PTY (pseudo teletype). It is likely that this is due to an incorrect configuration of the PTY devices. Konsole needs to have read/write access to the PTY devices." Why? I tried to set 777 permissions un /dev/pt*, but no result.`
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`16:08.04`	`Mirrakor`	`uhm..`
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`16:08.21`	`rcurtis`	`i have sound from both the onboard card and the headset when using a usb headset - i only want sound from the headset`
`16:08.29`	`Jucato`	`Nach: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency#Setting_up_X_Composite_Extension`
`16:08.35`	`Mirrakor`	`Nach, without any warranty, i think it sais: you should add the following lines to your xorg.conf`
`16:08.43`	`Nach`	`Jucato, thanks`
`16:08.52`	`Mirrakor`	`yup :D`
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`16:08.54`	`Jucato`	`Nach: word of warning, kompmgr (KDE's composite manager) is not completely stable/reliable`
`16:08.55`	`Nach`	`Mirrakor, well if it blows up, I can just remove and restart KDM`
`16:08.57`	`duane`	`Nach: what distro?`
`16:09.02`	`Nach`	`duane, Debian`
`16:09.14`	`Nach`	`Jucato, what should I be worried about? I mostly just want to see it`
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`16:09.34`	`duane`	`ok, cause in pclinuxos you dont have to fiddle with xorg.conf. composite is enabled by default. i dont know how many other distros are like that`
`16:09.35`	`Jucato`	`Nach: some windows not working properly, memory leaks, etc`
`16:09.56`	`duane`	`composite is pretty stable as far as i could tell`
`16:10.21`	`DaSkreech`	`Jucato: Wait till Seli is done with Kwin :)`
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`16:10.37`	`sredna`	`Hello`
`16:10.37`	`Jucato`	`DaSkreech: yeah. I've seen the blog post`
`16:10.56`	`DaSkreech`	`Jucato: better read the commits :)`
`16:11.07`	`DaSkreech`	`Jucato: if all you care about is KDE :)`
`16:11.09`	`Jucato`	`DaSkreech: if and when I can make sense out of them :)`
`16:11.19`	`Jucato`	`like duh! :)`
`16:12.19`	`DaSkreech`	`Jucato: don't need to just brush through the commit comments`
`16:12.21`	`Nach`	`okay, going to restart X now to try it`
`16:12.45`	`Jucato`	`DaSkreech: yeah I do that when I receive the feed from the Dot about it`
`16:13.08`	`Jucato`	`I just browse through, skipping parts I'm not interested it or don't understand :)`
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`16:13.23`	`DaSkreech`	`bah I read everything`
`16:13.35`	`DaSkreech`	`makes much more sense after a few months`
`16:13.49`	`DaSkreech`	`Like Sho_ pointed out marble and I get it now.`
`16:14.04`	`Jucato`	`:)`
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`16:14.21`	`rcurtis`	`no one up for the usb headset question?`
`16:14.26`	`Nach`	`Well that seemed simple enough, it's working now`
`16:14.28`	`Nach`	`thanks guys`
`16:14.29`	`Jucato`	`maybe when I can organize my brain enough to really spend time on it`
`16:14.37`	`DaSkreech`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:14.39`	`Nach`	`these effects are really cool`
`16:15.00`	`Jucato`	`yeah. they are`
`16:15.30`	`Jucato`	`hm.. maybe I should turn them on and see if KDE 3.5.5 brought in some improvements/fixes... (didn't read all the changes...)`
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`16:15.58`	`Nach`	`I'm wondering how helthy this is though`
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`16:16.14`	`Nach`	`when I loaded up KDM, my screen got all weird in a way I never saw before`
`16:16.20`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`I have got to learn LaTeX or some thing, this is pissing me off`
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`16:17.15`	`Jucato`	`Nach: someting with the splash screen?`
`16:17.43`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`Wehn ever I use a WYIWYG word proc. The layouts always wrong in other word processors`
`16:17.43`	`Nach`	`Jucato, my screen was like blinking as it was coming on`
`16:17.45`	`Nach`	`it was just weird`
`16:19.09`	`Jucato`	`I sometimes have that too. the splash screen just blinks in the middle but loads properly after that`
`16:19.55`	`Nach`	`hmm`
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`16:20.12`	`Nach`	`I just changed pop up effect, and my screen went totally blank for like 3 seconds`
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`16:22.20`	`Nach`	`okay that was fun`
`16:22.24`	`Nach`	`thanks for the help`
`16:22.26`	`rcurtis`	`usb headset - anyone ????`
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`16:23.06`	`DaSkreech`	`!headset`
`16:23.31`	`Nach`	`Does anyone have any idea when KDE 4 will be ready, and if KATE will work on Windows at that point?`
`16:23.31`	`Jucato`	`DaSkreech: this isn't #kubuntu :P`
`16:23.32`	`DaSkreech`	`We should have a sound and winmodem team for Ubuntu :(`
`16:23.49`	`DaSkreech`	`Jucato: Oh Of course :) that would explain loads :)`
`16:24.22`	`Jucato`	`Nach: no date yet, mid 2007 probably. that depends if someone is willing to port Kate to win32`
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`16:24.40`	`rcurtis`	`jucato: care to explain ???`
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`16:24.50`	`Jucato`	`rcurtis: which one?`
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`16:25.16`	`rcurtis`	`DaSkreech: this isn't #kubuntu :P`
`16:25.29`	`rcurtis`	`in response to "!headset"`
`16:25.50`	`DaSkreech`	`rcurtis: What's this berate the Noob day?`
`16:25.53`	`Jucato`	`rcurtis: he was trying to give a command to the ubotu bot`
`16:26.12`	`Jucato`	`ubotu responds to !, apt responds to ~`
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`16:26.25`	`DaSkreech`	`I think he knows since he's in the #kubuntu room`
`16:26.39`	`Jucato`	`DaSkreech: ok. just wondering why he wanted me to explain...`
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`16:27.10`	`rcurtis`	`ok - when you finally stop talking in riddles, I assume no one has a clue about the headset issue`
`16:27.24`	`rcurtis`	`guess it was too much to expect`
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`16:27.34`	`Jucato`	`...`
`16:27.35`	`Mirrakor`	`konqueror seems to upload .gifs very slow :\`
`16:27.47`	`Mirrakor`	`or is this just because there are so many small .gifs?`
`16:27.47`	`Nach`	`is the KDE 4 interface supposed to be noticablly different?`
`16:27.48`	`DaSkreech`	`rcurtis: I've seen it workin`
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`16:28.03`	`aseigo`	`Nach: for certainly values of "noticeably", yes`
`16:28.03`	`DaSkreech`	`You want when you plugin a headset the speakers top?`
`16:28.15`	`Jucato`	`rcurtis: no. I have no clue to that particular problem. otherwise, I would have said something to you`
`16:28.15`	`Nach`	`aseigo, good response :)`
`16:28.40`	`aseigo`	`Nach: as in "nicer, more beautiful and elegant". not so much as in "so radically different you'll wonder what the hell we were thinking"`
`16:28.54`	`Nach`	`DaSkreech, you want headphones to mute main speakers?`
`16:29.21`	`Nach`	`aseigo, I don't know if that refers to icons and widget styles or something else`
`16:29.22`	`DaSkreech`	`Nach: rcurtis does`
`16:29.32`	`aseigo_shower`	`Nach: both. but also application UI's`
`16:29.36`	`Jucato`	`Nach: new icon set too`
`16:29.51`	`aseigo_shower`	`Nach: a number of our applications are seeing vast improvements in interface. so it's a combination of artwork and interface structure`
`16:30.02`	`aseigo_shower`	`Nach: the combination should be good =)`
`16:30.06`	`Nach`	`yeah I was wondering more along the lines of main apps just being better from a UI perspective`
`16:30.15`	`Tm_T`	`aseigo_shower: Ircing in shower isn't that exstraordinary, mr showman.`
`16:30.17`	`Jucato`	`Nach: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE4`
`16:30.32`	`Nach`	`I still think that Kopete is absolutely horrible from a UI standpoint`
`16:30.39`	`aseigo_shower`	`Tm_T: lol... i'm only half in the shower .. well, i'm out of the shower.. a bit wet, but forgot something out here.. and couldn't help myself`
`16:30.50`	`Tm_T`	`aseigo_shower: ;)`
`16:30.52`	`Jucato`	`Nach: more importantly, not only the UI is changing, but the code is getting better as well (I think :P)`
`16:30.55`	`aseigo_shower`	`Nach: the version released in 3.5.5 was an improvement.. but yeah`
`16:31.00`	`Nach`	`Jucato, that's good`
`16:31.38`	`Nach`	`oh that reminds me, I was browsing through the source of KLaptop and noticed some code which may be problematic, or a simple way to add OpenBSD support too`
`16:31.47`	`Nach`	`who should I talk to about that?`
`16:31.59`	`Jucato`	`anyway time to go to bed! night guys!`
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`16:32.16`	`Jucato`	`good night aseigo_shower, DaSkreech, Tm_T, thiago :)`
`16:32.23`	`DaSkreech`	`Gnight`
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`16:44.52`	`thiago`	`check your ~/.local/share/applications`
`16:45.06`	`Ayabara_`	`I'm trying to download a file with ktorrent. when I add it I get the message 'Cannot symlink /mnt/storage/downloads/torrent/temp2/tor0/cache/foo.avi to /mnt/storage/downloads/torrent/foo.avi: Operation not permitted'. the /mnt/storage is a fat32 drive. any ideas?`
`16:45.33`	`RFC_1149`	`Hi! I am running Fedora Core 6 i386 with KDE 3.5.5 (official rpms, gpg sigs verified). Whenever I try to configure printers in kcontol it tells me it cannot retrieve the printer list, and the connection to cups failed. Cups is running (serivice cups restart makes no difference) - I can also access cups 1.2.4 at localhost:631. Help appreciated.`
`16:45.40`	`thiago`	`Ayabara_: yes, it's a FAT32 drive`
`16:45.44`	`thiago`	`Ayabara_: don't use it.`
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`16:46.16`	`Ayabara_`	`thiago: sound advice I guess, but it should work anyway?`
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`16:46.27`	`thiago`	`Ayabara_: no, it shouldn't`
`16:46.28`	`tstaerk`	`RFC_1149: I never use kde for configuring my printer, I use localhost:631.`
`16:46.34`	`thiago`	`Ayabara_: FAT32 doesn't accept symlinks`
`16:46.41`	`Mirrakor`	`AAh, I'm a fool`
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`16:47.16`	`Ayabara_`	`thiago: ok. and that means I can't make ktorrent work with fat32, or that I need to change some settings?`
`16:47.24`	`RFC_1149`	`tstaerk: Some people will use cups directly.`
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`16:47.35`	`thiago`	`Ayabara_: yes, you can't use ktorrent's temporary dir in a FAT32 filesystem`
`16:47.48`	`Mirrakor`	`We have to start the search programm o.O`
`16:48.04`	`RFC_1149`	`tstaerk: with the same KDE version and same hardware, except on FC5, the same machine would be able to config the same printer through cups`
`16:48.04`	`tstaerk`	`RFC_1149 yes - what is the problem if you configure it over 631 ?`
`16:48.06`	`thiago`	`Ayabara_: the download dir can be on a FAT32 (though that's also not recommended, since FAT32 doesn't support sparse files or files > 4 GB)`
`16:48.40`	`syd67ro`	`each time I insert a cd in the drive, a kde dialog appears and I have to choose if I want to view the contents in konqueror or do nothing. I want that /mnt/cdrom be automounted each time I insert a cdrom, but I do not want to see that dialog everytime, nor to launch konqueror to mount it. how should I accomplish this?`
`16:48.58`	`tstaerk`	`syd67ro, known problem.`
`16:49.04`	`RFC_1149`	`tstaerk: no problem with that, and that is what I will do if I cannot configure it through Kcontrol. I just like to learn more about how certain programs and subsystems work. It should work, it doesn;t, and I am curious to know why....`
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`16:49.40`	`tstaerk`	`okay - very neat approach.`
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`16:50.28`	`syd67ro`	`tstaerk: From my limited knowledge, there are several alternatives, like autofs, hal, and I do not know which one solves my problem. from what I've read, autofs automounts each time I access the mount point, but I want to automount the cdrom each time one is inserted.`
`16:50.29`	`tstaerk`	`RFC_1149, so, with FC 5, it works or just not ?`
`16:50.39`	`RFC_1149`	`FC5 works, FC6 doesnt`
`16:50.48`	`RFC_1149`	`(I upgraded the other day - as a fresh install)`
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`16:50.52`	`Ayabara_`	`thiago: ok. thanks for the info. guess I'll have to think this over...`
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`16:51.07`	`appelza`	`Hi guys, the konversation /media script has a bug.`
`16:51.58`	`Sho_`	`appelza: I recommend upgrading to Konversation 1.0.1, which among many other improvements features an entirely rewritten media script`
`16:52.15`	`_root`	`hi`
`16:52.34`	`tstaerk`	`RFC_1149: had a similar problem with SUSE. Problem is if the distributor, when compiling, does not have the cups-dev packages installed and kde printer config cannot work then.`
`16:52.41`	`_root`	`how can i change my nickname`
`16:52.42`	`_root`	`?`
`16:53.04`	`tstaerk`	`So, to verify this, re-build kde with cups-dev installed`
`16:53.20`	`appelza`	`Thanks`
`16:53.21`	`tstaerk`	`_root: depends on your irc client. Try clicking onto it.`
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`16:53.28`	`RFC_1149`	`tstaerk - thanks for the advice - do I need to rebuild all of KDE or just base / libs`
`16:53.43`	`tstaerk`	`only libs and base`
`16:53.48`	`syd67ro`	`_root: type /nick newnick`
`16:54.18`	`tstaerk`	`syd67ro: try killing kded`
`16:54.19`	`RFC_1149`	`tstaerk: thanks`
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`16:55.05`	`Geobad36`	`thanks`
`16:55.27`	`DaSkreech`	`Sho_: Yo`
`16:55.40`	`Sho_`	`DaSkreech: moin`
`16:55.47`	`tstaerk`	`syd67ro: and try kcontrol->periphals->storage media`
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`16:58.40`	`syd67ro`	`tstaerk: I would like something like Mount and then do nothing (do not open konqueror) in storage media ...`
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`17:05.49`	`RFC_1149`	`tstaerk - is there any way I can check whether the binaries were build with cups-devel support before I go through the process of rebuilding KDE?`
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`17:07.07`	`x3r0`	`hi is there a autoupdater program for kde and kicker?`
`17:07.22`	`x3r0`	`like autoupdate my menu in kicker for my installed apps`
`17:08.27`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`there is a menu updating tool for the kmenu but I've never had it detect much`
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`17:10.11`	`syd67ro`	`tstaerk: ivman was what I was looking for. it automounts removable media at insertion time`
`17:10.25`	`tstaerk`	`ok`
`17:10.29`	`syd67ro`	`how should I disable the kde thing as it is redundant now?`
`17:10.49`	`syd67ro`	`uncheck enable hal backend, cd polling and medium application aautostart?`
`17:10.51`	`tstaerk`	`syd67ro: and try kcontrol->periphals->storage media`
`17:11.03`	`tstaerk`	`yes, try that`
`17:11.52`	`tstaerk`	`RFC_1149, no easy way.`
`17:12.32`	`tstaerk`	`RFC_1149, but do I understand correctly that this is more for learning for you`
`17:12.59`	`PhilRod`	`x3r0: you can run kappfinder, but well-behaved apps should add themselves to the menu on install`
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`17:13.41`	`RFC_1149`	`tstaerk - mostly for learning, but also because localhost:631 likes to spit CIFS errors at me, and KControl never did back on my FC5 config`
`17:15.09`	`RFC_1149`	`tstaerk - also far too tired to give this a decent shot`
`17:15.59`	`RFC_1149`	`tstaerk - also there is a current bugzilla for bad CIFS support in kernel 2.6.18-1.2798.fc6`
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`17:16.11`	`_mariux`	`how do i make the address bar in konq stick to the right of the arrow buttons? right now i can only get it to be above or below?`
`17:16.14`	`RFC_1149`	`Some directories mounted over cifs give ls errors when trying to access them`
`17:16.19`	`tstaerk`	`RFC_1149: what CIFS problems ? maybe ask in #cups`
`17:16.30`	`_mariux`	`#cifs you mean`
`17:17.18`	`_mariux`	`nevermind`
`17:17.29`	`icwiener`	`What evironment variable does kde programs read for their locale setting?`
`17:17.44`	`RFC_1149`	`tstaerk - thanks for your help anyways - I'll recompile kde when I have the time / energy`
`17:18.00`	`icwiener`	`_mariux: Try putting it to the left of the arrows and then put the arrows back.`
`17:18.16`	`icwiener`	`_mariux: Worked for me.`
`17:19.43`	`_mariux`	`doesnt work`
`17:20.15`	`_mariux`	`you put it at the far edge of the screen?`
`17:20.22`	`_mariux`	`at xpixel 1`
`17:21.21`	`_mariux`	`i've had it there before`
`17:21.36`	`_mariux`	`but today it was suddenly not`
`17:21.46`	`icwiener`	`Don't know where to define pixel but my arrows are as left as they can be and the adress bar is next to it to the right.`
`17:21.48`	`_mariux`	`and every time i probably spend 30min trying to get it into place again`
`17:22.01`	`_mariux`	`when you drag it i mean`
`17:22.29`	`icwiener`	`Have you tried to make your window a bit wider?`
`17:22.39`	`_mariux`	`its 1400 pixels wide`
`17:23.26`	`_mariux`	`should be enough`
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`17:23.54`	`_mariux`	`thats it, the main bag goes out the window`
`17:23.58`	`_mariux`	`*bar`
`17:24.13`	`icwiener`	`I pull the adress bar right next to the arrow bar and it docks left next to it... then I pull the arrows somewhere directly over the address bar.`
`17:24.48`	`_mariux`	`nope, they just switch places`
`17:24.56`	`_mariux`	`nomatter where i pull it`
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`17:25.40`	`milliams`	`Hmm, does anyone have any idea why 'kaffeine' just quits straight away with no errors while 'kaffeine --nofork' works just fine?`
`17:26.03`	`PhilRod`	`some kind of kdeinit problem maybe`
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`17:28.48`	`RFC_1149`	`Cups working`
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`17:28.53`	`RFC_1149`	`Kcontrol print not working`
`17:28.55`	`RFC_1149`	`But cups work`
`17:28.58`	`RFC_1149`	`So printer works`
`17:29.00`	`RFC_1149`	`Thanks al;l`
`17:29.41`	`[GALAXY]`	`RFC_1149: thanks to you too.. thanks for sharing with us :)`
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`17:34.36`	`solsTiCe`	`hi. i want to configure a local account in kmail. i.e retreive mail from anacron in /var/sppol/mail/solstice. but kmail wants a lock file ? what's that ? which one might a choose ?`
`17:37.56`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`About file locking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking`
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`17:38.38`	`Mirrakor`	`hey, i can't lock my screen anymore`
`17:38.39`	`Mirrakor`	`why?`
`17:38.53`	`Mirrakor`	`anyone an Idea?`
`17:39.07`	`tstaerk`	`did you update anything ?`
`17:39.15`	`Mirrakor`	`yep`
`17:39.21`	`PhilRod`	`can you lock the screen with a new user?`
`17:39.24`	`Mirrakor`	`xorg`
`17:39.29`	`Mirrakor`	`didn't test`
`17:39.33`	`PhilRod`	`try that`
`17:39.53`	`tstaerk`	`Mirrakor, if you updated, you should restart your X at least.`
`17:40.01`	`Mirrakor`	`I restarted it`
`17:40.09`	`Mirrakor`	`but didn't tried it with a new user`
`17:40.26`	`tstaerk`	`Mirrakor, what did you update and how ?`
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`17:41.01`	`Mirrakor`	`öhm, world with emerge -vuND world; it contained a xorg update`
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`17:42.42`	`solsTiCe`	`SAS_Spidey01: yes i know what's file locking. but i do not know what to choose because i do not have procmail installed or mutt. so ? does it matter ?`
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`17:43.23`	`Mirrakor`	`nope, new user doesn't help`
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`17:43.46`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`I would not know, I use mail and seamonkey`
`17:44.06`	`tstaerk`	`Mirrakor, restart your computer.`
`17:44.41`	`Mirrakor`	`just x`
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`17:45.05`	`tstaerk`	`Mirrakor, the computer is safer`
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`17:45.57`	`tstaerk`	`wow, 311 users in here`
`17:45.57`	`syd67ro`	`is there any kde alternative to gtktalog? I want a standalone app to manage all my cds. I dont think that katalog is what I'm looking for`
`17:46.20`	`tstaerk`	`syd67ro oofice`
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`17:46.54`	`syd67ro`	`tstaerk: what module of oo does this job?`
`17:47.17`	`tstaerk`	`syd67ro, you mean, to have a catalog of your cds ? oocalc.`
`17:47.22`	`solsTiCe`	`ok i choose fcntl. with the help of wikipedia page on file lock. such question should not be ask to the user ... pfff`
`17:48.00`	`tstaerk`	`solsTiCe, never saw this question`
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`17:48.47`	`solsTiCe`	`i never saw it neither. until i just reisntalled a new distro and installed kde 3.5.5 no upgrade.`
`17:49.02`	`syd67ro`	`tstaerk: Yes, I want a catalog with all my cds. I dont see how oocalc would help me. I want the features of gtktalog. scan the cd contents, label the cd, add a category, the browse/search the cd collection and so on`
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`17:49.35`	`tstaerk`	`syd67ro, right - oocalc cannot do this.`
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`18:09.37`	`kalila`	`what packages to install to enable mp3, wmv, wma on kde?`
`18:09.47`	`kalila`	`e.g amarok`
`18:10.06`	`tstaerk`	`kalila, use mplayer`
`18:10.22`	`kalila`	`ok, aren't the libraries the same?`
`18:11.00`	`tstaerk`	`maybe - but if you just want it working, use mplayer`
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`18:14.29`	`kalila`	`in Gnome, where are the doc packages installed and how to access them?`
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`18:14.46`	`kalila`	`like apache2-doc`
`18:15.07`	`tstaerk`	`kalila, for what do you search doc ?`
`18:15.34`	`kalila`	`nm thanks`
`18:15.42`	`DaSkreech`	`kalila: probably depends on your Distro`
`18:16.26`	`kalila`	`apparently they are just man pages`
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`18:30.08`	`shastry`	`hey guys`
`18:30.12`	`shastry`	`and gals too..`
`18:30.30`	`shastry`	`why is kde on non linux platforms a few versions behind ?`
`18:30.33`	`DaSkreech`	`What about the rest of us?`
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`18:30.43`	`Sutoka`	`shastry: what platform?`
`18:30.55`	`shastry`	`i was just looking at fbsd, and solaris`
`18:30.57`	`DaSkreech`	`Amiga :)`
`18:31.07`	`shastry`	`lol`
`18:31.15`	`Sutoka`	`shastry: im gonna guess thats because freebsd and solaris packagers are behind maybe?`
`18:31.50`	`shastry`	`ok. i thought its more like.. they need custom patches to make it work and such`
`18:32.13`	`Sutoka`	`possibly, but it shouldn't since more than a couple of the kde devs use non-linux OSes`
`18:32.54`	`shastry`	`hmm`
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`18:37.24`	`franz_`	`salve :)`
`18:37.40`	`illissius`	`for some reason, in kde, the right mouse button on my touchpad is seen as the middle button (not so in gnome and plain x)`
`18:38.02`	`illissius`	`further, the left/right handed section in the mouse kcm is disabled`
`18:38.13`	`illissius`	`anyone in possession of a clue?`
`18:38.19`	`Sutoka`	`are you using the synaptics driver?`
`18:38.35`	`illissius`	`yes`
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`18:53.03`	`smacnay`	`how do I get hotpluggable hardware (usb stick) and regular cd and dvd harware to show up on my desktop. I can set up the option in desktop options but my cd doesn't seem to appear.`
`18:53.42`	`tstaerk`	`kcontrol -> appearance -> desktop -> behavior -> device icons`
`18:55.05`	`bluedog`	`I'm using Suse 10.1 (kde 3.5.1 level A). I'm interested to know how easy is it to take easy is it to develop an QT app targetting many platforms (including Mac,Win) whilst integrating with kde?`
`18:56.23`	`bluedog`	`Is there another channel that's more appropriate for this kind of question? If there is, please advise.`
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`18:57.02`	`illissius`	`bluedog: #kde-devel`
`18:57.39`	`bluedog`	`Cheers!`
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`19:04.28`	`Sutoka`	`bluedog: also #qt`
`19:04.56`	`Sutoka`	`bluedog: you could use ifdefs to decide whether it should integrate at compile time, or use portland in the future`
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`19:05.34`	`tstaerk`	`bluedog, and try kdevelop`
`19:05.47`	`tstaerk`	`bluedog, as well the channel as the program`
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`19:09.18`	`bluedog`	`tstaerk: Thanks. Seem to have found what I'm looking for on #kde-devel`
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`19:19.28`	`miekko`	`I have had this problem with slackware as well as kubuntu: kpf says "failed to publish (something, don't remember the word) to network"`
`19:19.30`	`DaSkreech`	`When will jkate get collab editing?`
`19:19.32`	`DaSkreech`	`kate`
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`19:19.46`	`miekko`	`since kpf is pretty handy for the kind of hsaring I need, I wonder how to troubleshoot that`
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`19:22.24`	`jstampe`	`Does someone know a nice, minimalistic window decoration for KDE? I've looked at kde-look.org, but there are so many different and i didn't find what i was looking for..?`
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`19:47.34`	`solsTiCe`	`when i send my webcam in kopete (msn) nothing happens`
`19:47.43`	`pinotree`	`solsTiCe: --> #kopete`
`19:47.52`	`solsTiCe`	`ok`
`19:48.18`	`pinotree`	`i mean, nothing wrong in asking here, it's just there they could help you better`
`19:48.41`	`solsTiCe`	`if they help`
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`19:49.21`	`cromo`	`hi. just noticed a bug. I have kdevelop opened in of the the desktops. If I scroll the source view to the bottom, then move to other desktop and get back, the view is not where it was, but a bit upper. I am asking here, since it is most likely related to kate`
`19:49.25`	`cromo`	`using kde 3.5.5`
`19:49.31`	`cromo`	`I also noticed it always sets the position at 7 line from the bottom`
`19:49.35`	`cromo`	`*7th, sorry`
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`19:51.14`	`markit`	`hi, anyone knows the name of the irc channel where I can find krename developers? I remember there is one no related with the name of the program`
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`19:51.48`	`cromo`	`this is what I get from console output: kdevelop (core): ======> view activated: [KMdiChildView pointer (0x8b19130) to widget cannonfield.cpp, geometry=1041x783+2+2]`
`19:52.24`	`tstaerk`	`cromo and your problem ?`
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`19:53.40`	`cromo`	`tstaerk: above`
`19:53.50`	`tstaerk`	`cromo, that is not a problem`
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`19:53.54`	`cromo`	`?`
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`19:53.57`	`cromo`	`why not?`
`19:54.13`	`cromo`	`I meant the problem is not the console output`
`19:54.14`	`tstaerk`	`so, not matter if you start kdevelop or not, you get that output ?`
`19:54.19`	`cromo`	`the problem is above`
`19:54.24`	`tstaerk`	`you start kdevelop,no ?`
`19:54.36`	`tstaerk`	`and I do not want to guess your problem`
`19:54.39`	`cromo`	`tstaerk: have a look a couple of lines upper. Couple means ~50`
`19:54.41`	`cromo`	`damn`
`19:54.46`	`cromo`	`please, hava a look upper`
`19:54.51`	`cromo`	`I wrote what's my problem`
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`19:55.18`	`tstaerk`	`oh, sorry, you are right`
`19:55.39`	`cromo`	`sure`
`19:55.43`	`cromo`	`n/p`
`19:55.53`	`cromo`	`anyway, the bug is annoying`
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`20:03.46`	`DaSkreech`	`miekko: kpf?`
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`20:07.33`	`miekko`	`DaSkreech: k public file, a small http client`
`20:07.49`	`DaSkreech`	`:-(`
`20:08.00`	`DaSkreech`	`I was thinking of collabaritve editing`
`20:08.09`	`DaSkreech`	`Like in Kdevelop`
`20:08.14`	`miekko`	`ah`
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`20:09.16`	`miekko`	`I could of course figure out how to configure apache instead`
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`20:10.06`	`DaSkreech`	`haha :-)`
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`20:17.17`	`Kannix`	`Hi all`
`20:18.05`	`Kannix`	`Does anyone know how I can export/backup all my emails stored in kmail, so I can import them into other email programs like Thunderbird?`
`20:19.04`	`claire`	`Hi Kannix`
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`20:19.44`	`Kannix`	`Hi claire :) So ... do you have an idea?`
`20:19.49`	`claire`	`You should backup/copy your ~/.Mail directory`
`20:19.52`	`claire`	`or`
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`20:20.41`	`claire`	`access ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail`
`20:21.13`	`Kannix`	`claire: Unfortunately, I am not using the .Mail dir. The emails are stored in some rather nasty format under .kde/<long path>/kmail.`
`20:21.46`	`tstaerk`	`Kannix, you can "Save as" a mail.`
`20:22.00`	`claire`	`Can't you export to an ordinary mail directory?`
`20:22.08`	`smacnay`	`I am popping a audio cd in my drive, it automounts but I cannot access any of the files on the drive. Is there a trick to mounting or accessing audio cd's?`
`20:22.16`	`claire`	`I can't acces my KMail right now to check, sorry`
`20:23.05`	`tstaerk`	`smacnay, why can't you access these files ? permissions ?`
`20:23.07`	`Kannix`	`claire: Well, there seems to be no backup option. I could store them one by one but that is out of the question.`
`20:23.49`	`claire`	`Have you had a look at http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq#kmail`
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`20:25.28`	`smacnay`	`tstaerk: I guess so but I am unclear of kde and its mount system. I always mounted everything in /mnt and kde seems to do so in /media. Do I need to create dir in /media for devices I want mounted?`
`20:25.34`	`claire`	`Kannix: does that help? Can you make an mbox folder, move your mail there and import that?`
`20:26.14`	`tstaerk`	`smacnay, insert a CD, type mount and find out where it has been mounted`
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`20:26.59`	`Kannix`	`claire: I am a bit slow today. I do have a ~/Mail folder and it is filled to the rim with emails.`
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`20:27.33`	`smacnay`	`thanks`
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`20:28.15`	`Kannix`	`claire: I will just backup that folder with everything in it and hope all sane mail apps support the maildir format.`
`20:28.33`	`tstaerk`	`smacnay, you're welcome, and we shall solve your problem also`
`20:29.18`	`claire`	`Kannix: your mail may be spread over both folders, but I'm not sure about that`
`20:29.50`	`Kannix`	`claire: Nope, seems to be all in there.`
`20:29.57`	`claire`	`Kannix: ok :-)`
`20:30.09`	`Kannix`	`thanks for the help!`
`20:30.19`	`claire`	`Kannix: no problem, glad that I could help`
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`20:34.45`	`smacnay`	`tstaerk: I am not given the opportunity to mount the device when an audio cd is inserted. I will play around here for a bit and see what I can do.`
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`21:00.03`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`What is wrong with public away ?`
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`21:00.42`	`Flighter`	`anyone knows to erase all ./svn subfolders from the source files?`
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`21:01.19`	`MinceR`	`SAS_Spidey01: lots`
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`21:01.28`	`MinceR`	`SAS_Spidey01: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html`
`21:01.56`	`qupada`	`Flighter: use 'svn export' instead of 'svn checkout', will check out just the files`
`21:02.00`	`darthwonka`	foreach svndir (`find . -type d -name '.svn'`) { rm -rf ${svndir}; end; }
`21:02.21`	`darthwonka`	`replace the rm -rf with 'echo' first`
`21:02.25`	`darthwonka`	`just to be sure`
`21:02.28`	`B-Minus`	`hello i just downloaded an iconset from kde-look but how do i install it ? its a index.desktop file with a lot of subfolders ...;`
`21:02.58`	`Flighter`	`qupada: but than isnt possible to do svn up right?`
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`21:03.25`	`qupada`	`Flighter: no. try what darthwonka is suggesting if you want it both ways`
`21:03.33`	`claire`	`Hi B-Minus, wasn't it an archive that you downloaded?`
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`21:03.45`	`B-Minus`	`claire: yes it was`
`21:03.48`	`B-Minus`	`i extracted it`
`21:04.05`	`claire`	`Actually, I think you don't need to`
`21:04.09`	`B-Minus`	`ohhh ok`
`21:04.11`	`B-Minus`	`tnx`
`21:04.13`	`claire`	`B-Minus: go to your control center`
`21:04.14`	`darthwonka`	`Flighter: you can also use svn export`
`21:04.27`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`MinceR, I learned to ignore the messages and highlights because of many clients but I'll stop using them if it pisses most people off`
`21:04.50`	`darthwonka`	`folks: I am trying to debug why kfmclient stopped working after an update to FC4`
`21:04.52`	`claire`	`and go to the icon stuff (sorry, I have the Dutch tranlation)`
`21:05.10`	`Flighter`	`darthwonka: this will also do the trick: find . -type d -a -name .svn \| xargs rm -rf , correct?`
`21:05.12`	`MinceR`	`i can't ignore window activity because i can't see the message then, only when i switch to the window`
`21:05.13`	`darthwonka`	`in the process, I tried moving a users .kde and .local out of the way and clearing up any cache items`
`21:05.15`	`claire`	`B-Minus: at the icon stuff, you can just point to the archive`
`21:05.22`	`darthwonka`	`I lost all his taskbar customizations`
`21:05.26`	`darthwonka`	`where are they kept?`
`21:05.28`	`darthwonka`	`tmp?`
`21:05.32`	`MinceR`	`and there's no mechanism to not show activity for some messages`
`21:05.46`	`qupada`	`SAS_Spidey01: for most people it's easier for you not to send the message in the first place rather than us having to filter it`
`21:05.56`	`darthwonka`	`Flighter: I think so`
`21:06.01`	`darthwonka`	`Flighter: TEST!! so you don't blow away more than you want`
`21:06.22`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`Whats annoying is when you have a client that beeps, brings the window forward, and high light two tabs when ever some one says your name`
`21:06.22`	`MinceR`	`also, there's no way to discern them via a filter anyway`
`21:06.23`	`claire`	`B-Minus: just in case, I think it's - Look and Feel, Icons`
`21:06.30`	`MinceR`	`since it isn't even ctcp`
`21:06.34`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`I agree qupada`
`21:06.52`	`qupada`	`MinceR: you can regexp it, at best`
`21:06.58`	`B-Minus`	`claire: yes it worked tnx`
`21:06.59`	`Flighter`	`darthwonka: using svn export, will then be possible to use svn up ?`
`21:07.14`	`claire`	`B-Minus: no prob, glad it worked :-)`
`21:07.17`	`MinceR`	`qupada: that would lead to false matches`
`21:07.34`	`darthwonka`	`Flighter: As I understand svn.. export makes a non-svn tree`
`21:08.05`	`darthwonka`	`Flighter: so, you won't be able to edit and commit changes or update to the export(ed) code`
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`21:08.16`	`sloef`	`Hi guys`
`21:08.29`	`darthwonka`	`Flighter: you'd need to work with a checkout and export each time you need to update`
`21:08.33`	`qupada`	`Flighter: might i suggest the svn book? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/`
`21:08.42`	`sloef`	`Is there a way to tell kaudiocreator where to put the temporary files (the wav files which are ripped)`
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`21:10.18`	`sloef`	`kubuntu (kde 3.5.5; kaudiocreator 1.13)`
`21:10.32`	`sloef`	`kubuntu edgy ...`
`21:10.37`	`qupada`	`Flighter: since i missed the start of this conversation, do you have commit access for this particular repository, or are you just interested in using it`
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`21:12.32`	`tstaerk`	`smacnay, you can never mount an audio cd, use a data cd`
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`21:13.09`	`smacnay`	`tstaerk: I guess then I need to stop kde from trying to automount the cd (if it is).`
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`21:14.36`	`tstaerk`	`smacnay, first, what do you want to achieve ?`
`21:15.38`	`smacnay`	`I want to be able to pop an audio cd in the cd drive and play what is on it. Also, to pop a data cd and have it accesible with an icon on desktop.`
`21:15.44`	`smacnay`	`same device`
`21:15.55`	`tstaerk`	`yes possible. Distro ?`
`21:16.32`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`Sounds liike what PC-BSD tries to do with Kaffeine`
`21:16.52`	`smacnay`	`tstaerk: debian testing`
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`21:17.26`	`tstaerk`	`ok, kcontrol->periphals->storage media`
`21:17.38`	`tstaerk`	`should show "Play Audio CD with Kaffeine".`
`21:17.48`	`smacnay`	`tstaerk: I will look`
`21:17.55`	`darthwonka`	`where are the custom desktops (on taskbar) stored in a users home dir?`
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`21:18.00`	`tstaerk`	`maybe with mplayer, actually`
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`21:18.07`	`Flighter`	darthwonka: foreach svndir (`find . -type d -name '.svn'`) { rm -rf ${svndir}; end; } that doesnt work
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`21:18.18`	`Flighter`	`]$ ./remover`
`21:18.18`	`Flighter`	./remover: command substitution: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `('
`21:18.18`	`Flighter`	./remover: command substitution: line 1: `for svndir (find . -type d -name '.svn') {rm -rf ${svndir}; end;}'
`21:18.29`	`Slack4020`	`whats better ktorrent ?`
`21:18.34`	`smacnay`	`I will play with this control area... thanks`
`21:18.36`	`Slack4020`	`or offical bit torrent program`
`21:19.04`	`qupada`	`Slack4020: the official BT client sucks in a fairly major way`
`21:19.09`	`tstaerk`	`smacnay, for your data cd: kcontrol->desktop->behavior->show device icons`
`21:19.13`	`Ace2016`	`Azureus is the best`
`21:19.21`	`sloef`	`Flighter: how about: find . -type d -name '.svn' -exec rm -fr {} \; ?`
`21:19.25`	`Slack4020`	`i dont have java on here`
`21:19.28`	`Slack4020`	`qupada: how so ?`
`21:19.35`	`wolsni`	`Slack4020: ktorrent's pretty decent`
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`21:20.07`	`Novell`	`wine + uTorrent`
`21:20.08`	`qupada`	`Slack4020: it has just about no configuration of anything, basically you have to trust it's doing what it's meant to behind the scenes`
`21:20.42`	`Ayabara_`	`I need to mount an ext3 storage partition in kubuntu. can someone help me with the line I need in /etc/fstab?`
`21:20.53`	`Ace2016`	`oh you could try ktorrent and tribler they're ok although i've never tried either seriously`
`21:20.55`	`Ayabara_`	`now I have "/dev/sda3 /mnt/storage ext3 defaults 0 2", but I don't think that is what I want`
`21:21.05`	`qupada`	`Ayabara_: no, that should do it`
`21:21.24`	`wolsni`	`Ayabara_: did you get an error message or something?`
`21:21.30`	`Ayabara_`	`qupada: do I get write support then? shouldn't I have a umask or something?`
`21:21.33`	`tstaerk`	`Ayabara_ yes, I think so, too, and if you only want to mount: mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/storage`
`21:21.53`	`sloef`	`Ayabara_: what's wrong with that?`
`21:21.56`	`tstaerk`	`Ayabara_ the defaults are well set`
`21:21.59`	`Ayabara_`	`wolsni: no, it just seems very write protected`
`21:22.01`	`darthwonka`	`Flighter: http://darthwonka.pastebin.ca/233274`
`21:22.02`	`Ayabara_`	`ahh ok`
`21:22.13`	`Ayabara_`	`nautilus won't let me create folders and stuff`
`21:22.25`	`qupada`	`Ayabara_: well as everything, the partition is mounted as root, so you probably won't have write perms. make a directory as root, chown it to your user, and you'll be fine`
`21:22.39`	`tstaerk`	`Ayabara_,`
`21:22.42`	`tstaerk`	`sorry`
`21:22.46`	`Slack4020`	`does ktorrent have any better things then the offical bt client ?`
`21:22.59`	`Ayabara_`	`tstaerk: np, namedropping is good :-)`
`21:23.01`	`wolsni`	`Slack4020: it's much more configurable`
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`21:23.16`	`sloef`	`Ayabara_: you could perhaps use noatime ... for performance if you read often from this partition`
`21:23.25`	`Slack4020`	`any faster?`
`21:23.29`	`Ace2016`	`Ayabara_: permissions?`
`21:23.35`	`sloef`	`Ayabara_: instead of "default"`
`21:23.39`	`Ace2016`	`Ayabara_: can root write to it?`
`21:23.47`	`Ayabara_`	`whoaaaa. way to many things to answer :-D`
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`21:24.23`	`tstaerk`	`Ayabara, find out the permissions with ll /mnt/`
`21:24.30`	`Ayabara_`	`Ace2016: yep. root can write, so I guess I'm all set if I follow qupada's advice`
`21:24.31`	`sloef`	`Ayabara_: if you ask for help ... you better learn to cope with it :)`
`21:24.43`	`Ayabara_`	`sloef: :-D I'm trying`
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`21:25.33`	`sloef`	`Ayabara_: Will the storage partition be used as fileserver?`
`21:26.28`	`Ayabara_`	`sloef: if I understand fileserver right. I will have audio/video/pictures there.`
`21:26.51`	`Ace2016`	`I mount my storage partition as /archive/ and /archive2/ i used to put in /mnt but kubuntu hides most of the stuff in / so i stuck it there`
`21:26.56`	`sloef`	`Ayabara_: will you be the only person using the audio/video/pictures ?`
`21:27.08`	`Ayabara_`	`sloef: yes`
`21:27.14`	`Ace2016`	`and i made a symlink from ~/Archive to /archive/`
`21:27.23`	`sloef`	`Ayabara_: Then default should be fine :)`
`21:27.38`	`Ayabara_`	`sloef: ok`
`21:27.40`	`Ayabara_`	`thanks everyone`
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`21:34.41`	`eric__`	`hi all`
`21:35.25`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`hello`
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`21:40.24`	`eric__`	`anyone knows a function in kde (or a program) that maps a key combinaison that makes an application (in my case, a konsole) appear in front or every applications ?`
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`21:41.19`	`wolsni`	`eric__: right-click on the title bar, Advanced-> Window Shortcut`
`21:46.37`	`eric__`	`hmm I don't have that option... I guess I don't have a recent enough version of kde`
`21:47.10`	`darthwonka`	`anyone have thoughts why this command yields nothing?`
`21:47.13`	`darthwonka`	`Exec=kfmclient openProfile filemanagement`
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`21:47.33`	`DaSkreech`	`eric__: Which version of KDE?`
`21:47.44`	`DaSkreech`	`eric__: sounds like you need yakuake :)`
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`21:48.14`	`darthwonka`	`kde 3.5.5 according to the RPM's`
`21:48.32`	`Renze`	`darthwonka: does that command work from konsole?`
`21:48.38`	`eric__`	`I have 3.3.2.. the one that comes with debian...`
`21:48.38`	`darthwonka`	`I'll try`
`21:48.43`	`Renze`	`without the Exec= of course`
`21:48.55`	`eric__`	`I guess that's 2 release old...`
`21:48.56`	`DaSkreech`	`eric__: try and install yakuake`
`21:49.05`	`Renze`	`eric__: that version is over two years out of date`
`21:49.28`	`eric__`	`well.. debian is debian.. I could move to testing tough`
`21:50.26`	`wolsni`	`eric__: i'm running sid with minimal issues atm`
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`21:52.35`	`exhale`	`is there a way to make the applist 2 lines instead of 1?`
`21:52.54`	`Renze`	`exhale: make your panel taller`
`21:53.15`	`Renze`	`exhale: right click, configure panel, size`
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`21:53.52`	`exhale`	`Renze: hm i think i described it wrong, you know all the program shortcuts?`
`21:53.56`	`darthwonka`	`Renze: command just comes back -- nothing launched`
`21:54.00`	`eric__`	`wow`
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`21:54.13`	`eric__`	`yeah yakuake is definatly what I was looking for`
`21:54.14`	`eric__`	`really`
`21:54.17`	`Renze`	`exhale: add the quick launch applet to your panel and drop icons into it`
`21:54.19`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hrm`
`21:54.31`	`Renze`	`darthwonka: then you need to find out why that isn't working first`
`21:54.46`	`exhale`	`Renze: yea i want to make the quick launch applet be 2 lines of icons instead of just 1 with really big icons`
`21:54.52`	`Ace2016`	`yakuake is nice but i wish it fitted my theme more`
`21:55.04`	`Sho_`	`Ace2016: It's skinnable`
`21:55.11`	`Renze`	`exhale: then adjust your panel size, and the icon size in the applet until you find the look you want`
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`21:55.25`	`Ace2016`	`Sho_: Now that i didn't know`
`21:55.31`	`darthwonka`	`Renze: FC4's kde components were recently updated.. I suspect the problem may be related.... but I will poke around first.`
`21:55.39`	`randreas69`	`I'd like to keep all settings with user icons and everything while moving from kde-3.4.x to kde-3.5.4. How is that done`
`21:55.43`	`exhale`	`Renze: well, how do i adjust the icon size then?`
`21:55.54`	`Sho_`	`benJIman: yup`
`21:55.58`	`benJIman`	`exhale: kcontrol -> appearance and themes -> icons -> advanced`
`21:56.01`	`Renze`	`darthwonka: ew... fedora... you have headaches ahead of you. fedora's KDE packages are pretty bad`
`21:56.04`	`exhale`	`thx`
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`21:56.20`	`Sho_`	`Ace2016: There are a number of alternative skins available on kde-look.org`
`21:56.21`	`benJIman`	`exhale: oh for the quick launch`
`21:56.22`	`Renze`	`exhale: click on the little arrow above the applet handle and configure it`
`21:56.31`	`benJIman`	`exhale: you need to actually use the quick launch applet rather than just icons on kicker`
`21:56.36`	`benJIman`	`and then what Renze said`
`21:56.41`	`exhale`	`im a bit confused now`
`21:56.53`	`exhale`	`im happy with the other icon sizes, ie thoose on the desktop`
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`21:57.03`	`Ace2016`	`Sho_: i know but my win deco is a custom one and i thought i'd have to learn to code to make a theme`
`21:57.07`	`benJIman`	`exhale: are you using the quick launch applet, or just icons on your kicker for quick launch?`
`21:57.23`	`Shirakawasuna`	`can someone help me figure out skim?`
`21:57.25`	`exhale`	`benJIman: im not shure, how do i check?`
`21:57.32`	`Shirakawasuna`	`for some reason it's simply not recognizing control + space`
`21:57.46`	`Renze`	`exhale: you would know if you added the quick launch applet to your panel or not`
`21:57.50`	`benJIman`	`exhale: right click panel -> add applet -> add the quick launch applet`
`21:57.57`	`Shirakawasuna`	`when I press control + space, it should launch a little menu and allow me to write japanese characters`
`21:58.18`	`Shirakawasuna`	`the gtk panel app did - now that I have skim (qt applet) it no longer recognizes control + space`
`21:58.27`	`Ace2016`	`oh yay i can finally upload something to kde-look`
`21:58.29`	`exhale`	`benJIman: ah.. just using the applet instead of the kicker made the trick, thanks`
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`22:00.21`	`darthwonka`	`Renze: I wonder if I am just missing a required update`
`22:00.28`	`darthwonka`	`Renze: checking....`
`22:00.30`	`Renze`	`darthwonka: no idea`
`22:00.37`	`randreas69`	`Ok this isn't a Slackware specific channel but what better place to start. Slackware 10.2 has kde 3.4.2, how is all the KDM appearance kept through a clean installation?`
`22:00.38`	`Renze`	`darthwonka: I don't use fedora, and I never will ;)`
`22:03.20`	`Ace2016`	`why? i heard fedora's kde was quite fast, faster than kubuntu's`
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`22:04.35`	`Renze`	`Ace2016: because I don't like RPM, I don't like DeadRat (and it's derivatives), I've had to fix so many Fedora problems I have less hair because of it... etc...`
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`22:06.30`	`wolsni`	`Ace2016: Fedora has had issues with the core KDE packages being packaged by developers who focus on GTK/Gnome`
`22:06.41`	`Renze`	`Ace2016: and I just like Gentoo FAR too much to ever use any other distro :P`
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`22:07.10`	`rr72`	`whats with kopete and icq?`
`22:07.14`	`rr72`	`wont connect`
`22:07.34`	`rr72`	`sometimes it doesnt sometimes it does`
`22:07.44`	`Renze`	`rr72: I'm connected to ICQ with kopete right now`
`22:07.55`	`rr72`	`hm`
`22:08.22`	`rr72`	`could it have to do with a dist-upgrade i just did a few days ago?`
`22:08.27`	`rr72`	`it hasnt worked right since then`
`22:08.37`	`Renze`	`rr72: no idea... I don't know what a dist-upgrade is :D`
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`22:10.27`	`Renze`	`ew, binary distro cooties ;)`
`22:10.47`	`MinceR`	`lol`
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`22:10.55`	`MinceR`	`too fast and reliable installs? :>`
`22:11.19`	`Renze`	`reliable? pffff!`
`22:11.37`	`Novell`	`rr72: I'm having problems with kopete and icq too`
`22:12.14`	`rr72`	`Novell~ what distro?`
`22:12.19`	`_knoppix`	`hola`
`22:12.20`	`Novell`	`Gentoo`
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`22:12.49`	`rr72`	`*disgraces`
`22:14.04`	`rr72`	`Renze~ the devs are looking into the problem`
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`22:14.24`	`Renze`	`rr72: there is a problem?`
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`22:15.29`	`rr72`	`<nixternal> yes rr72, they just put in for a SRU to get the fix in asap`
`22:15.56`	`Renze`	`ah, a problem with ubuntu packages?`
`22:16.10`	`Renze`	`no wonder I don't have a problem :D`
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`22:17.55`	`exhale`	`:\|`
`22:18.48`	`Renze`	`シ`
`22:19.28`	`pinotree`	`Renze: hmm weren't you australian? ...`
`22:19.40`	`Renze`	`no way, man... New Zealander`
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`22:20.58`	`pinotree`	`i mean, you use occidntal characters to write ;)`
`22:21.14`	`Renze`	`just that one... it makes a cool emoticon シ`
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`22:21.29`	`pinotree`	`=-O`
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`22:26.06`	`huXfluX`	`hey all! is there a way to enable ipv6 support in KDE ?`
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`22:26.53`	`Ace2016`	`is ipv6 a kde specific setting? or a distro wide change?`
`22:27.33`	`huXfluX`	`i'm trying to access an ipv6 page with konqueror and it says "unknown host"`
`22:28.01`	`huXfluX`	`but if i type host -t aaaa that.host in the console, it prints an ipv6 address`
`22:28.09`	`huXfluX`	`so something is wrong, i guess..`
`22:28.40`	`huXfluX`	`ipv is configured on my system because i've managed to connect to ipv6 freenode with xchat :)`
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`22:29.08`	`huXfluX`	`so how can i make konqueror ipv6 ready? any ideas?`
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`22:36.21`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`this is not good...`
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`22:37.04`	`Flighter`	`darthwonka: if i use find . -name '.svn' -type d -print0 \| xargs rm -fr it only erases the .svn dir, it doesnt erases the .svn in subfolders`
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`22:37.35`	`nou`	`hmm any idea on how to set the maximum size for the icon's name (the name/text under an icon on the desktop). or how to prevent the icon's name to be shorten ?`
`22:37.39`	`Flighter`	`darthwonka: but if i put find . -name '.svn' -type d \| xargs rm -fr it erases all .svn subfolders, so why this happens?`
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`23:01.44`	`darthwonka`	`Flighter: The first command may not traverse sub-folders`
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`23:01.53`	`darthwonka`	`the second does.. why? not so apparent`
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`23:02.25`	`Flighter`	`darthwonka: but if removing -print0 it does, now i ask why`
`23:02.57`	`darthwonka`	`Flighter: Man find`
`23:03.26`	`Flighter`	`already did and i still dont make any clue`
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`23:04.28`	`freeone3000`	`It prints the first one only.`
`23:05.23`	`Flighter`	`freeone3000: it should print all`
`23:05.29`	`freeone3000`	`Wait. No. It delimits by null instead of by newline.`
`23:05.41`	`freeone3000`	`Hand xargs -0`
`23:06.11`	`Flighter`	`so must be find . -name '.svn' -type d -print0 \| xargs -0 rm -fr ?`
`23:06.36`	`freeone3000`	`Yep.`
`23:06.46`	`Flighter`	`ok`
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`23:09.54`	`Flighter`	`can anyone tell me if see something in http://www.estv.ipv.pt/PaginasPessoais/tneto/algebra.swf ?`
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`23:16.40`	`smacnay`	`what is the default kde audio ripper/encoder?`
`23:16.45`	`smacnay`	`for audio?`
`23:17.07`	`Renze`	`konqueror, via the audiocd:/ kioslave`
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`23:19.20`	`teatime`	`smacnay: kaudiocreator`
`23:19.31`	`teatime`	`part of kdemultimedia, iirc`
`23:20.47`	`Renze`	`Flighter: yes, I can see that flash`
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`23:27.47`	`smacnay`	`teatime: thanks - what does it use to rip? I am not sure.`
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`23:29.13`	`Renze`	`smacnay: cdparanoia is used to rip, and the encoder depends on the format`
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`23:30.55`	`smacnay`	`Renze: thanks - basically it looks like it does what abcde does.`
`23:31.00`	`smacnay`	`but with a front end`
`23:31.06`	`Renze`	`I've never used abcde`
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`23:31.36`	`Renze`	`and I still prefer the audiocd:/ method... drag and drop ripping and encoding in konqueror file manager :D`
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`23:40.58`	`arriesp`	`ola`
`23:41.17`	`pinotree`	`hello`
`23:41.27`	`arriesp`	`can i speak spanish hear?`
`23:41.31`	`arriesp`	`or only english?`
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`23:41.43`	`Renze`	`this is an english channel`
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`23:42.02`	`arriesp`	`ok`
`23:42.09`	`Renze`	`I believe there is #kde-es for spanish, although I've never been there`
`23:42.20`	`arriesp`	`how can i install kde themes`
`23:42.30`	`arriesp`	`yes but there are only a person`
`23:42.31`	`arriesp`	`xD`
`23:42.44`	`arriesp`	`sorry my english is too bad :/`
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`23:42.58`	`Renze`	`what kind of themes? widget styles? windecos? icon themes? theme packs?`
`23:43.10`	`arriesp`	`mmm`
`23:43.31`	`arriesp`	`for all thing i think`
`23:43.47`	`Renze`	`widget styles and most windecos need to be compiled, unless there is a package for your distro`
`23:43.48`	`smacnay`	`Renze: where is the music saved? I see no option for that in configuration.`
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`23:44.16`	`Renze`	`smacnay: that's why I use audiocd:/ instead of kaudiocreator :D`
`23:44.51`	`Renze`	`smacnay: look at the "Encoded File Location" in the Encoder page of KAudioCreator settings`
`23:45.02`	`arriesp`	`i have kubuntu, and i think that is not very good looking`
`23:45.38`	`smacnay`	`Renze: thanks, I should have seen that`
`23:45.38`	`arriesp`	`do you understand me?`
`23:45.42`	`Renze`	`arriesp: you can find lots of things to change the look of KDE on http://kde-look.org`
`23:46.09`	`arriesp`	`well, there are a lot of themes`
`23:46.10`	`Renze`	`arriesp: yes, I understand you... but not all of us use kubuntu ;)`
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`23:46.26`	`arriesp`	`but for kde 3.5 no one`
`23:46.38`	`arriesp`	`yes, i know xD`
`23:46.42`	`arriesp`	`what do you use?`
`23:46.44`	`Renze`	`arriesp: there are no themes that require 3.5 specifically`
`23:46.49`	`Renze`	`I use Gentoo`
`23:46.52`	`arriesp`	`explicate me`
`23:46.53`	`arriesp`	`ok`
`23:47.07`	`Renze`	`explicate? is that a word?`
`23:47.10`	`arriesp`	`i heard that gentoo is difficult`
`23:47.11`	`arriesp`	`sorry`
`23:47.15`	`arriesp`	`explain me`
`23:47.18`	`Renze`	`I'm a geek ;)`
`23:47.21`	`PhilRod`	`Renze: "explain" in many languages`
`23:47.37`	`Renze`	`explain what?`
`23:48.03`	`arriesp`	`there are no themes that require 3.5 specifically`
`23:48.07`	`Renze`	`arriesp: any theme for KDE 3.2 and above will work in KDE 3.5`
`23:48.09`	`arriesp`	`geek? what's that?`
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`23:48.25`	`arriesp`	`3.2.. it not work on my SO`
`23:48.25`	`Renze`	`arriesp: sorry, I don't know the spanish version of "geek"`
`23:48.27`	`mateusz`	`hi`
`23:48.41`	`Renze`	`arriesp: yes, any theme for 3.2 or higher will work`
`23:48.43`	`arriesp`	`it doesn't mather`
`23:48.45`	`mateusz`	`jest ktos z polski ?`
`23:48.46`	`arriesp`	`ok`
`23:48.51`	`Renze`	`mateusz: english only, please`
`23:48.56`	`arriesp`	`jaj`
`23:49.05`	`mateusz`	`where am I ???`
`23:49.24`	`Renze`	`mateusz: you are in IRC, on a network called freenode, and in a channel called #kde`
`23:49.25`	`smileaf`	`arriesp: its what we call those that like math, wear glasses, and don't get too many girls. Of course thats not always true :)`
`23:49.42`	`mateusz`	`ohh`
`23:49.46`	`arriesp`	`here`
`23:49.58`	`arriesp`	`we call that "friki"`
`23:50.03`	`mateusz`	`what is kde? ^^`
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`23:50.25`	`MinceR`	`mateusz: it's a desktop environment`
`23:50.36`	`arriesp`	`freak=>friki`
`23:50.37`	`Renze`	`KDE is K Desktop Environment, a free, open-source, desktop environment for Linux and other *nix style operating systems`
`23:50.53`	`*** join/#kde Bry2k200 (n=Bry2k200@S0106001310688e48.wp.shawcable.net)`
`23:51.06`	`PhilRod`	`mateusz: more importantly, how did you end up here if you don't know what KDE is?`
`23:51.07`	`mateusz`	`sry for newbe questions i have had linux for 2 hours`
`23:51.13`	`PhilRod`	`ah, ok`
`23:51.16`	`smileaf`	`arriesp: yah.. but "geek" is a not so harsh word for those people :)`
`23:51.17`	`PhilRod`	`welcome :-)`
`23:52.13`	`smileaf`	`arriesp: it kinda adds in "very smart" to the description.`
`23:52.13`	`arriesp`	`:)`
`23:52.26`	`arriesp`	`ok`
`23:52.42`	`mateusz`	`MY NEIGHBOUR INSTALED LINUX FOR ME Xd`
`23:52.45`	`arriesp`	`what should be the extension for the themes¿`
`23:52.52`	`arriesp`	`congratulations`
`23:52.53`	`arriesp`	`xD`
`23:52.57`	`mateusz`	`y ty`
`23:52.59`	`Renze`	`arriesp: depends on what kind of theme it is`
`23:53.09`	`smileaf`	`mateusz: welcome to the linux world ;)`
`23:53.16`	`mateusz`	`thx`
`23:53.25`	`mateusz`	`im very happy`
`23:53.32`	`arriesp`	`:S`
`23:53.41`	`mateusz`	`but i cant do anything :P`
`23:53.49`	`mateusz`	`in console etc.`
`23:53.50`	`arriesp`	`i'm too newbie for that`
`23:53.50`	`arriesp`	`jaja`
`23:53.58`	`Renze`	`arriesp: is it a widget style? is it a window decoration? is it an icon theme? is it a color scheme? is it a theme pack?`
`23:54.03`	`mateusz`	`we are two :]`
`23:54.05`	`smileaf`	`mateusz: you joined an irc channel didn't you? that's 1 step up from where you were yesterday correct? :)`
`23:54.19`	`arriesp`	`there are a packet with all of that?`
`23:54.25`	`arriesp`	`sorry`
`23:54.29`	`smileaf`	`arriesp: nope :(`
`23:54.31`	`arriesp`	`there are packets`
`23:54.32`	`arriesp`	`jaj`
`23:54.38`	`arriesp`	`sniff sniff`
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`23:54.56`	`mateusz`	`yesterday i had win ~~`
`23:55.10`	`smileaf`	`arriesp: you can apply full theme sets.. but you have to install each of the componets it uses first.`
`23:55.29`	`smileaf`	`mateusz: your point being? :)`
`23:55.43`	`*** join/#kde hot (n=hot@225.Red-88-5-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net)`
`23:55.50`	`smileaf`	`mateusz: thats 1 step up from yesterday! =p`
`23:55.51`	`arriesp`	`ok`
`23:55.55`	`Renze`	`now the only windows I have are the glass ones I use to look outside ;)`
`23:55.56`	`arriesp`	`packets with all`
`23:56.06`	`mateusz`	`yeaop`
`23:56.08`	`arriesp`	`but you must install appart one`
`23:56.28`	`arriesp`	`thanks`
`23:56.28`	`mateusz`	`yeap`
`23:56.32`	`PhilRod`	`arriesp: btw, there's a spanish kde channel: #kde-es`
`23:56.34`	`mateusz`	`cuz im happy :F`
`23:56.40`	`PhilRod`	`(type "/join #kde-es" to join)`
`23:57.29`	`arriesp`	`yes`
`23:57.33`	`arriesp`	`i know`
`23:57.34`	`arriesp`	`but`
`23:57.37`	`arriesp`	`one person..`
`23:58.01`	`PhilRod`	`ah, I thought it might be more active`
`23:58.06`	`PhilRod`	`sorry :-/`
`23:58.19`	`arriesp`	`don't worry`
`23:58.21`	`arriesp`	`xD`
`23:58.36`	`arriesp`	`i can understand you xDD`
`23:59.39`	`mateusz`	`ohh i have a question i have suse 10.0 and i dont know how compile program in C++ comend "make" dont work ~~`
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`23:59.48`	`warriorness`	`Hey all... I'm using Kate to do java programming. How can I configure it so it recognizes "assert" as a keyword in its syntax coloring?`

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