| 00:05.18 | Half-Left | boo |
| 00:06.28 | adrenaline | boo hoo |
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| 00:48.23 | dbglt | hey, I'm trying to get a gnome-esque panel up the top of the screen, but also incorporating the current menu of the selected application (like OSX), but kde is showing a double width panel |
| 00:48.36 | dbglt | is there any way to make it just one width? |
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| 00:51.58 | wolsni | dbglt: i think you need to make the menubar first, then add applets to that |
| 00:52.12 | dbglt | wolsni: I did :\ |
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| 00:53.41 | wolsni | well, doing it that way seems to work for me |
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| 00:58.05 | rafa | wnas |
| 00:58.07 | neopc | OI |
| 00:58.19 | rafa | tngo un problema...alguien puedr ayudarme? |
| 00:58.23 | rafa | gracias... |
| 00:58.31 | Renze | this channel is english only |
| 00:58.37 | rafa | ok |
| 00:58.38 | neopc | O Q FOI |
| 00:59.00 | rafa | where I can speak spanish? |
| 00:59.02 | neopc | FILHOS DE UMA PUTA |
| 00:59.08 | Renze | rafa: #kde-es |
| 00:59.45 | rafa | thanks |
| 01:01.12 | rafa | my proble is that suse can't update...why? |
| 01:01.24 | Renze | ask in #suse |
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| 01:03.17 | evilgeek | so, i've noticed that recent KDE will pop up a huge box whenever the mouse selects something that looks like an URL. how does one fix this bug? |
| 01:03.31 | Renze | huge box? |
| 01:03.44 | wolsni | evilgeek: either close the clipper applet |
| 01:03.54 | wolsni | or right-click on it and disable input actions |
| 01:04.36 | evilgeek | oh, neat. there's a 'disable this popup' item in that huge box. thanks. |
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| 01:05.18 | Renze | why do users call any feature they don't like a bug? |
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| 01:15.46 | Sutoka | Renze: who called something a bug? |
| 01:15.55 | Sutoka | oh nvm |
| 01:16.03 | Sutoka | missed the 'this bug' part |
| 01:16.32 | Sutoka | i skipped reading the rest of the comment after the world 'URL' |
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| 01:17.00 | Renze | so if I put URL in this sentence, you won't read past it? ;) |
| 01:17.11 | simcop2387-zaru | does krfb automatically log when people connect and they're ip? |
| 01:17.45 | Sutoka | Renze: what about URL? |
| 01:18.09 | Renze | Sutoka: URL soda water rhubarb |
| 01:19.07 | Sutoka | URL? |
| 01:19.11 | Renze | URL! |
| 01:19.16 | Renze | duke of URL |
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| 01:19.48 | Sutoka | duke of uniform resource locater? |
| 01:19.50 | Sutoka | interesting |
| 01:19.59 | Sutoka | is he like a guy thats good at finding stuff? |
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| 01:20.08 | Renze | must be |
| 01:20.19 | Renze | or a guy that points at stuff |
| 01:20.45 | Sutoka | i hear he an interenet freak, like all over it /constantly/ |
| 01:21.02 | _slacker_ | hi all, anyone using debian here? i need to change the default KDE wm in debian... |
| 01:21.09 | Sutoka | apparently google depends on him for like all their searches also pretty much |
| 01:21.53 | Sutoka | _slacker_: set the environmental variable $KDEWM to something before kde starts, ~/.kde/env might set it soon enough |
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| 01:22.27 | Renze | anywho, showering... |
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| 01:24.21 | _slacker_ | Sutoka: i haven't the env file there, is normal? what sintaxis y use? export KDEWM=xxxxxx o simply $KDEWM=xxxxxxx? |
| 01:24.31 | Sutoka | ~/.kde/env is a directory |
| 01:24.34 | apt | Sutoka: okay |
| 01:24.38 | Sutoka | arg |
| 01:24.47 | Sutoka | ~forget /.kde/env |
| 01:24.47 | apt | i forgot /.kde/env, Sutoka |
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| 01:25.19 | Sutoka | _slacker_: you make that directory, then make a script in it that would set that variable (make sure it ends with .sh and is executable) |
| 01:25.51 | qupada | and for the record, 'export FOO=bar' |
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| 01:26.44 | qupada | actually since the file is sourced not run, 'FOO=bar' should work too, but $FOO=bar probably won't |
| 01:27.24 | _slacker_ | Sutoka: oook, gonna try... |
| 01:27.26 | Sutoka | $FOO=bar won't work (At least in bash, it says command not found for '=bar') |
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| 01:28.20 | Deformative | Is there a way to make all six desktops horizontal without a pager? |
| 01:28.22 | _slacker_ | i'm trying to change from kwin to beryl, before i try to set a script in .kde/Autostart... but kwin starts anyway |
| 01:28.45 | Sutoka | _slacker_: you would have to kill kwin and start beryl (or use beryl --replace if that works) |
| 01:28.47 | Deformative | What os? |
| 01:29.27 | Deformative | _slacker_ what os?? |
| 01:29.35 | Sutoka | Deformative: maybe set it using kpager then it'll stick? |
| 01:29.38 | _slacker_ | debian etch |
| 01:30.03 | Sutoka | setting the variable in ~/.kde/env should get it early enough though |
| 01:30.04 | Deformative | So your using a bash shell, correct? |
| 01:30.12 | Deformative | I woudl use bashrc |
| 01:30.48 | Deformative | Set the KDEWM environment variable to be beryl. |
| 01:30.51 | Sutoka | ~/.kde/env would be the more appropriate place to set kde variables |
| 01:31.12 | Deformative | I like all my variables to be in one place myself, but it doesn't really matter. |
| 01:31.31 | Deformative | For freebsd I put them all in .profile and for linux all int .bashrc |
| 01:31.58 | _slacker_ | Deformative: with KDEWM set to beryl, also starts Emerald? |
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| 01:32.16 | Sutoka | _slacker_: actually i think you should set it to beryl-manager |
| 01:32.26 | Sutoka | it'll start both then |
| 01:32.34 | Deformative | I don't know what emerald is. I have never used emerald. |
| 01:32.43 | Deformative | Or beryl. |
| 01:32.45 | qupada | _slacker_: what distro are we talking? |
| 01:32.55 | Deformative | I use e16 with kde. |
| 01:32.57 | Sutoka | _slacker_: beryl-manager would have it start both |
| 01:33.08 | Deformative | You could always use a script that will start them all for you. |
| 01:33.15 | Sutoka | beryl-manager... |
| 01:33.17 | Deformative | Or just start beryl and put the other app in autostart. |
| 01:33.22 | Deformative | Yeah. |
| 01:33.48 | _slacker_ | qupada: debian etch |
| 01:33.49 | Sutoka | beryl-manager is meant for that, also that way if beryl dies a horrible, horrible death you can have another WM autostarted in its place |
| 01:34.07 | Sutoka | without putting any effort into starting another |
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| 01:34.41 | qupada | _slacker_: just checking, gentoo has global config files in /etc/env.d/ for things like this, was going to suggest it if you were a gentoo user |
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| 01:35.13 | Deformative | Hmm, well I might go back to using e16 from kwin again. Just because these vertical desktops are driving me crazyy. |
| 01:35.26 | Deformative | Gentoo is riced. |
| 01:35.30 | Sutoka | Deformative: have you tried adjusting it in kpager? |
| 01:35.34 | Sutoka | Deformative: no its not |
| 01:35.41 | Deformative | Yes I have tried it. |
| 01:35.46 | Sutoka | just because SOME try and rice, doesn't mean its 'riced' |
| 01:35.56 | _slacker_ | guys, i gonna try it, brb |
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| 01:36.00 | Deformative | Heh, the devs are ricers. |
| 01:36.00 | Sutoka | and generally the ones that try fail horribly |
| 01:36.16 | Sutoka | considering the CFLAGS the devs recommend, i think its safe to say they aren't |
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| 01:36.35 | Deformative | ^_^ |
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| 01:37.07 | Deformative | I am not a fan of compiling at all in the first place. |
| 01:37.13 | Deformative | THat is the only problem I see with freebsd. |
| 01:37.23 | Sutoka | compiling only takes the extra time |
| 01:37.31 | Sutoka | and luckily thats not time that you spend on it |
| 01:37.59 | Deformative | Eh, I know. |
| 01:38.20 | Deformative | I would much rather it be precompiled anyways. |
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| 01:38.55 | Sutoka | i like it not being precompiled, that way i don't have to follow some out-dated guide on how to get mp3 support, play back dvds, etc |
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| 01:39.36 | Deformative | Have you ever used archlinux? |
| 01:39.39 | Sutoka | and portage's extensive package collection is nice because it even includes closed source software like ut2004, nwn, and lots of other things so i don't have to keep track of updates for them myself |
| 01:40.27 | Sutoka | no |
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| 01:40.43 | Deformative | Didn' |
| 01:40.47 | Deformative | t think so. |
| 01:40.50 | Deformative | ^_^ |
| 01:41.04 | ryanakca | what do I delete so that I can start with an empty session? |
| 01:41.21 | Deformative | You should try it one day. I was a source fan before archlinux. |
| 01:41.29 | ryanakca | I have something that starts each time I log in, and it makes xorg crash :( |
| 01:41.41 | ryanakca | s/xorg/kwin |
| 01:41.51 | Deformative | The archlinux package manager (pacman) is fantastic. |
| 01:41.59 | Sutoka | ryanakca: ~/.kde/share/config/session/k |
| 01:42.05 | ryanakca | Sutoka: ty |
| 01:42.13 | Sutoka | oops ignore that 'k' at the end |
| 01:43.52 | Sutoka | Deformative: archlinux's package selection doesn't appear to extend to closed source software |
| 01:44.14 | Deformative | Yes it does. |
| 01:44.21 | Deformative | Like java, right? |
| 01:44.22 | Sutoka | searching on their site doesn't show any |
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| 01:44.31 | Deformative | Flash? |
| 01:44.37 | Deformative | Those are both there. |
| 01:44.38 | Sutoka | java, opera, ut2004, flash, skype, etc |
| 01:44.45 | Sutoka | their site claims otherwise |
| 01:44.53 | Sutoka | at least in 'current' |
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| 01:45.01 | Deformative | I think it is in extra. |
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| 01:45.12 | Deformative | I just did pacman -S jdk and it worked. |
| 01:45.19 | RawSewage | How do I enable Audio Previews in Konqueror |
| 01:45.31 | RawSewage | So when I hold my mouse over an audio file, it plays |
| 01:45.42 | Renze | artsd needs to be running for that to work |
| 01:45.48 | RawSewage | Ok |
| 01:45.51 | hollywoodb | I'm curious if a kde component is hanging or if its just because I'm compiling kde in freebsd under vmware... from what I can tell none of the kde processes are using an abnormal amount of CPU time, but the desktop is completely non-reponsive |
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| 01:45.58 | man_in_shack | does k3b support wodim? |
| 01:46.06 | Renze | wtf is wodim? |
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| 01:46.35 | man_in_shack | a gpl cdrtools fork i believe |
| 01:46.58 | Deformative | One sec, lemmi boot my archlinux box and I will see if those other apps are there too. |
| 01:46.58 | Sutoka | hollywoodb: are you running kde while compiling it? or what do you mean? |
| 01:46.58 | hollywoodb | my VTs (alt-f1 through f6) work just fine, however, I'm using irssi on #2 right now... when I back to X I get a cursor and the rest of the screen is black |
| 01:47.06 | Sutoka | man_in_shack: if it uses the same commands and flags then it should |
| 01:47.07 | RawSewage | Renze, it's already running |
| 01:47.19 | hollywoodb | Sutoka: I'm running kde on a linux host, however most of my CPU time is going to compiling KDE under freebsd within vmware |
| 01:47.22 | RawSewage | Renze, I'll check the repos. maybe there's some kind of artsd plugin |
| 01:47.41 | ryanakca | Sutoka: nope, I guess that wasn't it... bloody beryl-manager doesn't want to stop starting up... it then kills kwin, and then I can't use my keyboard in X... I deleted .kde/Autostart... anything else that might be causing the problem |
| 01:47.54 | Sutoka | hollywoodb: well considering that vmware uses a kernel module to do the processing i figure the linux scheduler can't actually schedule it |
| 01:47.55 | ryanakca | lol |
| 01:48.28 | Sutoka | hollywoodb: which means vmware itself has to decide which IIRC, it prefers itself |
| 01:48.31 | RawSewage | Would I need this? aRtsd plugin for GStreamer |
| 01:48.47 | Sutoka | RawSewage: no |
| 01:48.48 | hollywoodb | Sutoka: was working fine, albeit slowly, then when I attempted to launch konqueror then the whole thing went non-responsive... ah well |
| 01:48.50 | man_in_shack | k3b is complaining that my cd is not appendable, but cdrdao reports it is |
| 01:49.03 | Sutoka | RawSewage: ffmpeg, akode, or xine plugins for artsd would be far better |
| 01:49.13 | Sutoka | hollywoodb: is it using all your ram? |
| 01:49.17 | RawSewage | what about that mpg123 or whatever |
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| 01:49.51 | Sutoka | RawSewage: one of the 3 i listed should be more than enough (assuming your distro didn't gimp them) |
| 01:50.11 | RawSewage | Ok, I'll try ffmpeg |
| 01:50.24 | Deformative | Sutoka, I got all of them exept ut2004, but I do not even know what that is. |
| 01:50.39 | hollywoodb | Sutoka: its only about 40% used (1 GB total) |
| 01:50.58 | Sutoka | Deformative: Unreal Tournament 2004 |
| 01:50.59 | ryanakca | there we go :) |
| 01:51.21 | Deformative | Bleh battery is dieing. |
| 01:51.22 | Deformative | fuck. |
| 01:51.58 | hollywoodb | Sutoka: but from what I can tell from top and ps nothing's gone haywire |
| 01:52.22 | Sutoka | hollywoodb: top/ps may not be able to accurately see what the vmware kernel module is doing |
| 01:52.23 | Deformative | Woot, found power supply in time. |
| 01:52.34 | hollywoodb | Sutoka: I'll just kill off vmware and have it do the compile when I go to bed, not that big of deal I guess |
| 01:52.39 | Linux_Galore_ | ooh goody Kubuntu (edgy) is not offering kde 4.0 packages, yep thats going tow work out well |
| 01:52.47 | Linux_Galore_ | out* |
| 01:52.52 | Deformative | Sutoka, unreal tournament is free? |
| 01:53.07 | Sutoka | Deformative: does archlinux do rolling updates (i.e. i can keep updating for years upon years without having to adjust any 'sources.list' files or any crap like that)? |
| 01:53.18 | Deformative | Yes. |
| 01:53.23 | Deformative | It does. |
| 01:53.23 | Sutoka | Deformative: nope, neither is neverwinter nights (gentoo has ebuilds for both) |
| 01:53.41 | hollywoodb | Sutoka: yep, that freed it up, thanks for the help |
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| 01:53.49 | Deformative | pacman -Syu updates everything on an archlinux system. |
| 01:53.52 | Deformative | Kernel and all. |
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| 01:54.33 | Deformative | Is unreal tournament free to download? |
| 01:54.37 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: why would kubuntu edgy not offering packages for software that doesn't exist be bad? |
| 01:54.45 | Sutoka | Deformative: nope |
| 01:54.46 | RawSewage | Sutoka, I installed ffmpeg . not sure what to do next |
| 01:54.58 | Deformative | That's why then. |
| 01:55.00 | Deformative | >.< |
| 01:55.40 | Sutoka | Deformative: and i meant like in gentoo where i don't have to adjust the mirrors or anything to stay on the latest 'version' (like you DO have to do on suse, *ubuntu, fedora, and others) |
| 01:56.01 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: because allot of newbies use Kubuntu and they will install the KDE 4.0 packages then complain things dont work not understanding completely that the stuff is very experimental |
| 01:56.08 | Deformative | You don't need to, the only alteration I have EVER made because of an update was when they got the new replacement for initrd. |
| 01:56.11 | Deformative | I forget the name. |
| 01:56.16 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: you said they ARENT offering them... |
| 01:56.23 | Deformative | But i needed to change my menu.lst for grub. |
| 01:56.24 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: they are |
| 01:56.25 | Deformative | And that is it. |
| 01:56.49 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: sorry type remove the word *not |
| 01:56.55 | Linux_Galore_ | typo* |
| 01:56.57 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: in the main 'repository' or whatnot? |
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| 01:57.26 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: no you have to add a single line to adept |
| 01:57.37 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: but on the home page they show you how |
| 01:57.41 | Deformative | It is amazing the percentage of archlinux users that have used gentoo. |
| 01:57.48 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: well then let them shoot themselves in their own foot |
| 01:58.02 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: I just find it a bit stupid |
| 01:58.03 | Sutoka | Deformative: ex-ricers? :-P |
| 01:58.12 | Oleg_ | the latest released snapshot of kde4 is alpha version? |
| 01:58.16 | Oleg_ | or pre-alpha? |
| 01:58.19 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: some kde developers use kubuntu |
| 01:58.24 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: they have amarok 1.4.4 there and Im fine with that but not kde 4 |
| 01:58.27 | Sutoka | Oleg_: VERY pre-alpha |
| 01:58.27 | Deformative | Hehe. =) |
| 01:58.36 | Deformative | Oh, and all the packages are i686 optimised. |
| 01:58.41 | Oleg_ | Sutoka: ok |
| 01:58.44 | Deformative | I find that to be a major plus. |
| 01:58.46 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: amarok 1.4.4 has been released |
| 01:58.55 | Deformative | Concidering that was the only optimisation I did in gentoo. |
| 01:59.06 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: yes I know I have it installed |
| 01:59.13 | Sutoka | Oleg_: the previous snapshot was code named 'krash' to joke about the stability |
| 01:59.37 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 01:59.41 | Sutoka | Deformative: i manually set a lot of useflags (i.e. -gnome is a big one i like) |
| 02:00.10 | Deformative | Ricer. ~_^ |
| 02:00.18 | Sutoka | how is REMOVING stuff ricing? |
| 02:00.28 | Sutoka | i don't have any -fomg-fun-roll-shoot-myself flags |
| 02:00.41 | Deformative | Heh, I was kidding. |
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| 02:01.09 | Linux_Galore_ | Yep, nothing like spending three hours mucking around with your use flags to get a 0.1 sec speed advantage |
| 02:01.20 | Deformative | But if you tried it I am pretty confident you would like it. /me shrugs. |
| 02:01.22 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: its not for it to be faster... |
| 02:01.48 | Deformative | It is hard to understand a distro without accually using it. |
| 02:02.07 | Deformative | If you ever need to setup a system fast, try it out. |
| 02:02.08 | Sutoka | i may try it when i replace suse on my laptop |
| 02:02.10 | Linux_Galore_ | if used gentoo, its ok but I just dont have the time to get the most from it |
| 02:02.21 | Linux_Galore_ | s/if/I have/ |
| 02:02.49 | Sutoka | i first setup suse on my laptop right when novell started killing it with their BS idiocy |
| 02:02.57 | Deformative | Heh. |
| 02:03.16 | Deformative | Suse was my first distro ever. |
| 02:03.32 | Deformative | And that was suse 10.1 showing how long I have used linux. (not very long) |
| 02:03.40 | Deformative | But I pretty much spent all summer fooling with it. |
| 02:03.47 | RawSewage | Audio Previews enabled by: View - Preview - Sound Files |
| 02:03.49 | Sutoka | 15 minutes to open the package manager is just ridiculous! how could novell think it was a good idea to do that?!!?!? |
| 02:03.58 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: look at the up side, Microsoft wont sue you today at least (maybe tomorrow ?), but the down side of all the hate mail would be wearing lol |
| 02:04.08 | Deformative | Because novell is friends with microsoft. |
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| 02:04.29 | Deformative | They have anal with eachother. |
| 02:04.41 | Deformative | And call java in every now and then for a threesome. |
| 02:04.47 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: yeah them getting down on their knees and putting their head in the guillotine is kinda funny, the suse people must be THRILLED about being bought now |
| 02:05.19 | Linux_Galore_ | Microsoft "oooh Novell I want to feel you open source code" Novell "oooh yeah baby give it to me gooood" |
| 02:05.48 | Sutoka | Microsoft "ignore the dozens of dead bodies behind me" Novell "will do" |
| 02:06.22 | Linux_Galore_ | I would hate to be a SuSE dev right now |
| 02:07.13 | Deformative | Me too, I don't want my ass to hurt.... |
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| 02:07.27 | Linux_Galore_ | I would like to welcome out Micro... eeer Suse representative to make a small demand,,, eer speech on Linux" |
| 02:07.55 | Deformative | But it might bring some good. |
| 02:07.58 | Deformative | You never know. |
| 02:08.02 | Linux_Galore_ | s/out/our/ |
| 02:08.16 | Sutoka | "Red Hat: We will be here in one year, Novell will not" |
| 02:08.18 | Deformative | If not everyone could migrate over to movitz or something. |
| 02:08.30 | Linux_Galore_ | Deformative: nothing Microsoft does helps anyone but Microsoft |
| 02:08.51 | Deformative | No, they are not doing it on perpous. |
| 02:08.54 | Sutoka | haha... even though i dislike their preference of gnome, at least they contribute a LOT to gcc/glibc/kernel and other low level stuff |
| 02:09.02 | Deformative | But we may get some more hardware support. |
| 02:09.09 | Deformative | Then the devs that do that now could do other stuff. |
| 02:09.25 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: red hat do way more community code than Novell any day |
| 02:09.43 | Deformative | Back when novell had rasterman. Heh. |
| 02:09.45 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: yep, they write most of the low level code practically |
| 02:09.55 | Deformative | Back before rasterman rewrote everything. |
| 02:10.18 | Linux_Galore_ | Im not a Red Hat fan boy, but I have allot of respect for the company |
| 02:10.18 | Sutoka | it'd be funny if microsoft kills novell, then the suse devs reform suse independently |
| 02:10.21 | Deformative | I am a kde+freebsd fan now. =/ Archlinux with openbox or enlightenment is runner up. |
| 02:10.45 | Deformative | It'd be funny if google purchased microsoft... |
| 02:10.47 | Sutoka | freebsd never booted for me... that killed the chances of me being a fan of it |
| 02:10.58 | Sutoka | Deformative: i'd be curious how they got enough money |
| 02:11.27 | Deformative | Well, they managed to get youtube like no big deal. |
| 02:11.39 | Sutoka | youtube is much younger than them |
| 02:11.45 | Deformative | I mean they already had google video, then they decided to buy youtube for no reason. |
| 02:11.47 | Linux_Galore_ | Novell Exec "In sticking with the general feeling that SuSE is German we have renamed the company Fuhrer Linux" |
| 02:11.51 | Sutoka | plus it was losing massive amounts of money every day |
| 02:12.09 | Sutoka | Deformative: google video doesn't EXACTLY compete with youtube, plus youtube was kicking google video's ass |
| 02:12.29 | Linux_Galore_ | Deformative: cant beat them buy them |
| 02:12.39 | Deformative | You think microsoft will not be loosing tons of money with vista? |
| 02:12.45 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: by 'beat' i assume you mean with baseball bats? |
| 02:12.50 | Linux_Galore_ | lol |
| 02:12.57 | Deformative | Plus the fact that google is thinking of putting an openoffice download on their homepage! |
| 02:13.11 | Sutoka | Deformative: microsoft has a FREAK load of money already, they could be losing 10x as much as youtube and still have more money than most companies |
| 02:13.11 | Deformative | That has potential to do some real damage. |
| 02:13.12 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: well depends if they take the brown bag full of money or not |
| 02:13.32 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: if they do, i assume they're beaten and wallets taken? |
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| 02:13.53 | Deformative | I think there is gonna be a big migration away from microsoft in the next year. |
| 02:14.25 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: no, they let them keep their wallets, just knee cap them for costing us so much |
| 02:14.26 | Deformative | I mean, Wii, and PS3 will show people linux, then vista will suck, then all the publicity. |
| 02:14.28 | Deformative | I dunno. |
| 02:14.35 | Deformative | I think microsoft is gonna be in deep shit. |
| 02:14.37 | Sutoka | most likely there will be increased migration, but i don't think there can be any mass adoption over a short period of time |
| 02:15.12 | Sutoka | Deformative: the 'wii runs linux' thing was just a horrible, horrible mistranslation IIRC |
| 02:15.20 | Linux_Galore_ | SuSE Linux, the alternate evil desktop distribution |
| 02:15.22 | Linux_Galore_ | heh heh |
| 02:15.29 | Sutoka | Deformative: than then a horrible interpretation of the translation |
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| 02:16.17 | Deformative | Well, PS3 surely will. |
| 02:16.23 | Sutoka | i think it has to be gradual, and it will coninside with increased hardware support (which will cause which is debatable) |
| 02:16.28 | Deformative | I mean yellowdog has been in development for a while now. |
| 02:16.41 | Sutoka | Deformative: if you go out and buy yellowdog linux... |
| 02:16.46 | Sutoka | xbox ran linux for free |
| 02:16.51 | Deformative | Heh. |
| 02:16.52 | Sutoka | so did gamecube |
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| 02:16.58 | Sutoka | and ps2 i think even |
| 02:17.03 | Sutoka | and the ipod |
| 02:17.06 | Deformative | I hear ps3 comes pre-installed. |
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| 02:17.27 | Sutoka | well if the ps3 is ever shipped, we may find out |
| 02:17.34 | Deformative | Yeah., |
| 02:17.47 | Shirakawasuna | psh ps3 |
| 02:17.51 | Shirakawasuna | wii ftw |
| 02:18.05 | Shirakawasuna | what's better than a DE or distro flamewar? A game console flamewar! |
| 02:18.16 | Deformative | I am not a gammer. |
| 02:18.23 | Deformative | I may need to leave before I become one. |
| 02:18.37 | Shirakawasuna | Deformative: you're wrong, the xbox 360 is better |
| 02:18.38 | Sutoka | i used to be big time |
| 02:18.40 | Shirakawasuna | ;) |
| 02:18.47 | Sutoka | but i've been into it less and less |
| 02:18.52 | Shirakawasuna | (if you're not going to argue I'll just have to pretend you are) |
| 02:18.59 | Deformative | Sutoka, same here. |
| 02:18.59 | Sutoka | i /MAY/ get a wii, thats the only one that looks at all good to me |
| 02:18.59 | Shirakawasuna | I haven |
| 02:19.20 | Shirakawasuna | I haven't bought a console since I was in the third grade |
| 02:19.26 | Shirakawasuna | that's the N64 |
| 02:19.32 | Linux_Galore_ | yeah, I was looking at a video on youtube the Japanese have gone mad over the wii |
| 02:19.40 | Deformative | I never got one. |
| 02:19.44 | Deformative | MY brother always did., |
| 02:19.47 | Deformative | And I used them. |
| 02:19.50 | Shirakawasuna | the wii isn't out yet in japan...at least I didn't think it would be |
| 02:20.06 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: must be a demo show |
| 02:20.06 | Shirakawasuna | I thought it was released in america before anywhere else for some reason |
| 02:20.26 | Linux_Galore_ | it showed all the Japanese people playing with wii machines on big screens |
| 02:20.47 | Linux_Galore_ | and they were queuing outside |
| 02:20.47 | Deformative | Japanese people do not have souls. |
| 02:20.48 | Sutoka | if i get a wii its not gonna be till after i play it first hand |
| 02:21.42 | Sutoka | heh, i tried to play an xbox360 a couple days ago at a bestbuy, and the thing kept crashing while trying to load a demo game |
| 02:21.50 | Linux_Galore_ | yeah but the price of the PS3 will be a killer for most parents this xmas, they will see the huge price differenc between the wii and the PS3 and buy the wii |
| 02:22.04 | Deformative | I am supprised it didn't shoot you with the blue screen of death. |
| 02:22.06 | Shirakawasuna | I hope so |
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| 02:22.12 | Sutoka | it even claimed the disk was damaged (its pretty sad when a disk thats probably touched a single time gets damaged more than the console can handle) |
| 02:22.14 | Shirakawasuna | I'd love to see Nintendo competitive again |
| 02:22.26 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: ps3 won't be out this year IIRC |
| 02:22.30 | adrenaline | what is he executable for running network places in kde? |
| 02:22.49 | Linux_Galore_ | Sony should have just packaged the PS3 with a standard dual layer dvd |
| 02:22.53 | Sutoka | Deformative: they changed it to green on the xbox, because they got bad press when an xbox bsoded lol |
| 02:22.56 | Shirakawasuna | sony vs microsoft would hurt gamers' souls...if they haven't sold them for WoW money yet |
| 02:23.08 | Sutoka | adrenaline: network places? |
| 02:23.09 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: ouch to they miss the xmas sales |
| 02:23.35 | adrenaline | ya to browse the network in the gui |
| 02:23.39 | Linux_Galore_ | wouldnt it be funny that after the dust has settles Nitendo wins |
| 02:23.52 | Sutoka | adrenaline: use konqueror, theres remote:/ kioslave, as well as lan:/ and zeroconf:/ |
| 02:24.10 | Shirakawasuna | whoah, wii will be able to play some sega genesis games |
| 02:24.12 | Shirakawasuna | sweet |
| 02:24.20 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: i'd prefer if sony/ms didn't take over that market, they already control too many markets both of them |
| 02:24.23 | Linux_Galore_ | I noticed the wii has a web browser and a dvd media browser |
| 02:24.27 | Deformative | Heh. |
| 02:24.28 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: yep! virtual system |
| 02:24.34 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: opera! |
| 02:24.35 | Deformative | Wow is a pathetic excuse for a game. |
| 02:24.35 | Shirakawasuna | you can get opera |
| 02:24.53 | Deformative | I would say the last good game for the pc was Ragnarok online. |
| 02:24.54 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: opera comes free till the end of the year i believe they said |
| 02:24.54 | adrenaline | I tried konquor and it tells me that my firewall is stopping smb but I have no firewall |
| 02:24.56 | Deformative | Since then nothing. |
| 02:25.05 | Shirakawasuna | Sutoka: cool |
| 02:25.06 | Sutoka | adrenaline: maybe its their firewall? |
| 02:25.06 | Linux_Galore_ | not sure there is a video on youtube of them doing a demo of the wii browser, doesnt look like anything Ive seen before |
| 02:25.16 | adrenaline | it is my server and client |
| 02:25.24 | Shirakawasuna | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Browser |
| 02:25.29 | adrenaline | ubuntu is not working but debian and centos are |
| 02:25.44 | Shirakawasuna | what I meant to post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Channels |
| 02:26.14 | Shirakawasuna | adrenaline: if you're going through a router perhaps it has a firewall |
| 02:26.24 | adrenaline | no router |
| 02:26.33 | adrenaline | hub and It is all he same network |
| 02:27.31 | Linux_Galore_ | adrenaline: install firestarter and you can manually set your firewall rules on the fly |
| 02:27.56 | Linux_Galore_ | adrenaline: very easy to use |
| 02:28.16 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: that'll INSTALL a firewall |
| 02:28.22 | Sutoka | well, a iptables frontend |
| 02:28.24 | adrenaline | Not interested in a firewall I am interested in getting samba client running on my ubuntu |
| 02:28.29 | Sutoka | adrenaline: what distro are you running? |
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| 02:28.58 | adrenaline | My server is centos my network consists of centos debian ubunu and window xp and mac |
| 02:29.00 | Linux_Galore_ | adrenaline: have you tried swat |
| 02:29.12 | adrenaline | everyone works except centos and ubuntu |
| 02:29.24 | Sutoka | adrenaline: i've never actually seen smb:/ kioslave claim theres a firewall blocking it |
| 02:29.52 | adrenaline | I didn't try kioslave just konquorer and it errors |
| 02:30.13 | Linux_Galore_ | adrenaline: the samaba kio is optional |
| 02:30.17 | Sutoka | adrenaline: kde (and thus konqueror) use kioslaves to provide network transparency |
| 02:30.17 | adrenaline | If i do \\workgroup\username\share that works |
| 02:30.26 | adrenaline | but if I try and use a gui it dies |
| 02:30.41 | Sutoka | adrenaline: have you tried smb:\\IP\username\share ? |
| 02:30.47 | Linux_Galore_ | adrenaline: use the smb:/ path in konqueror with the kio slave |
| 02:30.47 | adrenaline | yes that works |
| 02:31.05 | adrenaline | but none of my players will play mp3 across the network |
| 02:31.13 | unity | in kmail, while composing, how can i view the message in word-wrapped format? without actually having kmail insert newlines into the message itself? |
| 02:31.14 | Sutoka | adrenaline: mount the smb share |
| 02:31.14 | adrenaline | Linux_Galore_, that doesn't work |
| 02:31.35 | adrenaline | If I mount it it will mount but I can't read read with gui |
| 02:32.03 | Linux_Galore_ | adrenaline: or try fish:/ |
| 02:32.03 | adrenaline | I need gui to play my mp3 |
| 02:32.03 | Sutoka | adrenaline: unfortunately kde3's kioslave framework doesn't support seeks (but kde4's already does) so you can't play mp3s across the network using a kioslave (unless you stream) with kde apps (same with movies) or if the kioslave copies them to /tmp first |
| 02:32.03 | adrenaline | I will try fish |
| 02:32.09 | Linux_Galore_ | adrenaline: ?? amarok |
| 02:32.21 | Sutoka | adrenaline: mount the share somewhere and use the mp3 player on the mp3s |
| 02:32.24 | adrenaline | Sutoka it works in debian and windows |
| 02:32.34 | Sutoka | adrenaline: using what audio player? |
| 02:32.39 | adrenaline | Linux_Galore_, amarok works in debian not ubuntu |
| 02:32.42 | Sutoka | adrenaline: you mean if you mount it? |
| 02:32.48 | adrenaline | totem amorak xmms |
| 02:33.00 | Sutoka | adrenaline: then ubuntu compiled xine and probably other stuff differently |
| 02:33.01 | adrenaline | even if I mount it or not |
| 02:33.12 | adrenaline | ya no codecs |
| 02:33.13 | Sutoka | it should work no problem when mounted |
| 02:33.22 | Sutoka | adrenaline: then install the appropriate codecs |
| 02:33.29 | adrenaline | but I installed the codecs and it works locally but not over network |
| 02:33.34 | Linux_Galore_ | adrenaline: aaah there is a seperate package in ubuntu for the engines package I noticed |
| 02:33.35 | adrenaline | I did Sutoka |
| 02:33.39 | Sutoka | adrenaline: it should work if you mount the smb shares then |
| 02:33.50 | adrenaline | Sutoka, doesn't |
| 02:34.06 | Sutoka | adrenaline: it should... because to amarok/xmms/totem it IS local (pretty much) |
| 02:34.27 | adrenaline | Look I can get across the network in amorak it can see the file then errors and says can't read source |
| 02:34.33 | Sutoka | sounds like an issue for #ubuntu then |
| 02:34.44 | adrenaline | Sutoka, yes |
| 02:34.49 | adrenaline | now how do I fix it |
| 02:34.50 | Sutoka | same for xmms/totem? if so then #ubuntu |
| 02:35.06 | adrenaline | I went there but they don't know either |
| 02:35.07 | Sutoka | not a clue, i've never had any issues with smb mounts |
| 02:35.16 | adrenaline | they can't even understand the question |
| 02:35.16 | Linux_Galore_ | adrenaline: amarok on Ubuntu defaults to one engine (xine), most of the distro usually default to gstreamer |
| 02:35.24 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: no... |
| 02:35.29 | Linux_Galore_ | adrenaline: with the option to change to others |
| 02:35.33 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: gstreamer isn't support by amarok, and xine is the default by amarok |
| 02:35.42 | adrenaline | I have gstreamer and xine and neither work |
| 02:35.50 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: well I have gstreamer on Mandriva 2007 |
| 02:35.51 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: gstreamer was disabled in amarok a good while ago because the gstreamer people kept breaking it |
| 02:35.58 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: well then you have an old version |
| 02:36.37 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: xine blows for streaming data on a network |
| 02:36.55 | Sutoka | gstreamer blows because they break their ABI and API every 5 minutes |
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| 02:37.26 | Sutoka | which is partly why kde is developing phonon instead of going with gstreamer bindings (the original plan) |
| 02:37.31 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: yeah but I dont end up with amarok going ape when the connection breaks |
| 02:37.49 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: what version of amarok are you running? |
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| 02:37.49 | Linux_Galore_ | 1.4.1 |
| 02:38.07 | adrenaline | does anybody know smb4k? |
| 02:38.11 | Linux_Galore_ | my Kubuntu laptop has 1.4.4 |
| 02:38.30 | Sutoka | gstreamer has been disabled through most of the 1.4 series, and it think before that to |
| 02:38.57 | Sutoka | the amarok devs dropped support for gstreamer a good while back |
| 02:39.14 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: Mandriva at the time didnt have a 1.4* package so I compiled it myself |
| 02:39.39 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: I tried xine but I had too many issues when network streaming |
| 02:39.41 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: are you using gstreamer .8 or .10? |
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| 02:40.02 | odla | how do i set up kpowersave to turn off automatically when i have less than 5 minutes of battery left? |
| 02:40.22 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: I havent changed it since because it works so well for me |
| 02:40.38 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: .8 0.10 ?? of what |
| 02:40.46 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: i avoid gstreamer like the plague cause its like only played audio/video ONCE for me |
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| 02:40.53 | Half-Left | Sutoka: if gstreamer breaks so often why to other apps that use it ok? |
| 02:40.55 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: "gstreamer .8 or .10" |
| 02:41.00 | Half-Left | do* |
| 02:41.14 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: I have no issues with gstreamer, works fine |
| 02:41.30 | Sutoka | Half-Left: because they use old versions of gstreamer? because they're dependent on ONLY gstreamer so HAVE TO fix it or their app CANT run? |
| 02:41.57 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: 0.8 |
| 02:42.19 | adrenaline | dloading smb4k now |
| 02:42.25 | adrenaline | I will try that |
| 02:42.35 | Half-Left | Sutoka: banshee never broken, you can use 0.10.x with no problems regardless of the 0.10.x version |
| 02:42.39 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: gstreamer .8 had a plugin, but they didn't wanna have to make a new one for .10, the .8 code may still be in the source |
| 02:42.48 | adrenaline | I think it is a ubuntu thing though |
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| 02:43.15 | Sutoka | Half-Left: .8 and .10 aren't compatible, neither are .6 and .8 |
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| 02:43.32 | Shirakawasuna | hmmm |
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| 02:43.36 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: good thing I dont update my main machine allot heh heh |
| 02:43.42 | Shirakawasuna | quite lame to make those incompatible |
| 02:43.54 | Half-Left | Sutoka: true, but alot of things like that break API, thats why they become better |
| 02:44.03 | Sutoka | Half-Left: they seem to break compatibility every release, and considering its written in C they definitely shouldn't have a huge problem maintaining it (since all of KDE can maintain it for YEARS (the entire kde3 lifetime) with no problem and C++ is harder to maintain binary compat) |
| 02:44.33 | Sutoka | Half-Left: kde3 has maintained api compat for years with no problems, its much easier for C apps to do that |
| 02:45.11 | Sutoka | Half-Left: gstreamer devs were considering breaking the abi compat again right after the release of .10 |
| 02:45.21 | Half-Left | Sutoka: dont make it any better, breaking API can make things better |
| 02:45.30 | Sutoka | Half-Left: its not required though |
| 02:45.37 | Half-Left | just people have to keep up |
| 02:45.40 | Sutoka | Half-Left: especially if you want users that depend on a somewhat stable API |
| 02:46.12 | Half-Left | Sutoka: dbus broken API so many time I lost count but still apps used it :p |
| 02:46.45 | Sutoka | Half-Left: how long ago were they breaking it? dbus is NEW, gstreamer is MANY years old |
| 02:46.49 | Linux_Galore_ | I would be happy if the whole sound management issue is sorted too |
| 02:47.14 | Sutoka | phonon will sort it out for KDE4 |
| 02:47.28 | Sutoka | that way when one dies (ala arts) kde won't have any problems |
| 02:47.28 | Linux_Galore_ | ie plug in a USB headset and watch the fun and games in Linux |
| 02:47.35 | qupada | x264 is a pretty bad offender too. i know it's hardly a major library, but they've made it to libx264.so.54 already (probably newer, that's my version) |
| 02:47.39 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: thats the goal with Phonon and Solid in KDE4 |
| 02:47.58 | Half-Left | Sutoka: well a media framework is alot more complicated than a message system, thats who I see it |
| 02:48.08 | Half-Left | how* |
| 02:48.39 | Sutoka | Half-Left: how many years will it take for gstreamer to begin to be able to maintain a stable API for any length of time? |
| 02:49.03 | Half-Left | Sutoka: until version 1.0? :p |
| 02:49.30 | Half-Left | hal and dbus are not that young ether |
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| 02:50.06 | Linux_Galore_ | I have, when you plug it in it takes over everything, even when I unplug it, I have to reboot to go back to normal |
| 02:50.27 | Sho_ | Linux_Galore_: Doesn't happen here |
| 02:50.31 | Sutoka | Half-Left: looks like dbus was created in 03, gstreamer was created in 99, a LOT older |
| 02:51.07 | Sho_ | Sutoka: There never was an original plan to go with GStreamer bindings, btw |
| 02:51.15 | Linux_Galore_ | I havent tried the USB headset on Kubuntu edgy yet |
| 02:51.16 | Sutoka | Sho_: yep, i mentioned that |
| 02:51.31 | Sho_ | Sutoka: No, you wrote the opposite ;) |
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| 02:51.33 | Sutoka | Sho_: those plans were killed by gstreamers repeated breaking of their abi/api from what i've read on the planet |
| 02:51.39 | Sutoka | Sho_: oh wait i didn't see 'never' |
| 02:51.43 | Shirakawasuna | hrm |
| 02:52.02 | Shirakawasuna | when I remove kmplayer, konqueror dies whenever there's imbedded video in a page |
| 02:52.03 | Sutoka | Sho_: i'd read that that was one of the ideas at the time (by the phonon developer IIRC) |
| 02:52.18 | Half-Left | Sutoka: well quiet alot of software breaks with new version, alot of people call it progress |
| 02:52.22 | Shirakawasuna | I've checked my filetypes...what else would be affected by removing kmplayer? |
| 02:52.30 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: need to edit your file associations |
| 02:52.37 | Shirakawasuna | I just did |
| 02:52.48 | Shirakawasuna | no mention of kmplayer in the embedding options in any file association |
| 02:53.08 | Sutoka | Half-Left: breaking abi/api every now and then is good, but breaking it on a whim is not |
| 02:53.33 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: log in and out of kde see if it fixes it |
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| 02:53.41 | Shirakawasuna | good plan |
| 02:53.49 | Sho_ | (Even if GStreamer's API was rock-solid, Phonon would still be a good idea) |
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| 02:55.08 | Sutoka | Sho_: agreed, but i remember reading that originally gstreamer bindings were one of the 'major' contenders for kde4's framework (though that was a GOOD while ago that they were) |
| 02:55.08 | Half-Left | Sho_: because KDE want to go their own way, rather than take whats there you think? |
| 02:55.19 | Sutoka | Half-Left: phonon isn't yet another media framework |
| 02:55.31 | Shirakawasuna | hmm, didn't work |
| 02:55.44 | Sutoka | Half-Left: phonon lets kde use gstreamer or whatever, and keep binary compatibility even if gstreamer decides they don't want to keep theirs |
| 02:55.45 | Shirakawasuna | think it may be because I have mplayerplug-in and konqueror is trying to use that? |
| 02:55.52 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: did you hit ctrl alt backspace in the login screen |
| 02:55.58 | Shirakawasuna | no, I didn't restart X |
| 02:56.01 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Phonon doesn't compete with GStreamer in any way, so your troll attempt is somewhat lame |
| 02:56.07 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: just to make sure its all flushed |
| 02:56.10 | Sutoka | Half-Left: if kde had gone with gstreamer, when gstreamer broke abi compat, kde would either have to break theirs (not gonna happen) or fork it |
| 02:56.11 | Sho_ | Half-Left: |
| 02:56.32 | Half-Left | Sho_: just a question, no harm intended |
| 02:57.10 | Sutoka | Half-Left: kde doesn't want to depend on gstreamer's devs keeping abi compat, or them just ditching the project, or it dying somehow *cough*arts*cough* |
| 02:57.35 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: ok |
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| 02:58.00 | emss | Sutoka: how can iit just die it's opensource kde devs could pick it up |
| 02:58.09 | Sutoka | emss: just like arts died |
| 02:58.14 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Regardless of the ABI/API instability of GStreamer, GStreamer is not universally liked as a technology, and it doesn't have KDE-style API that is suitable for use in a KDE application by application developers who are not interested in learning the ins and outs in a multimedia API of the sophistication of GStreamer. Hence even if GStreamer were the only option on the market, a wrapper mechanism would still be needed to integrate it into |
| 02:58.14 | Sho_ | the KDE application platform. Phonon is that wrapper, only that Phonon is smarter than just being that, because it's not in any way tied to GStreamer, it supports pluggable backends, i.e. will be ready if any other technology comes up, and can function on platforms where there are more successful native alternatives to GStreamer, e.g. CoreAudio/Video on OSX and DirectShow on Windows. |
| 02:58.32 | Sutoka | emss: the main dev left, and no one wanted to take over it because the code was a horrible mess |
| 02:58.42 | Half-Left | Sutoka: but why develope a new way when one is already there, api breakage maybe better than young and new code |
| 02:59.10 | Sutoka | Half-Left: its NOT a multimedia framework |
| 02:59.15 | Linux_Galore_ | Im happy they are burying artsd in kde4 |
| 02:59.21 | Sutoka | Half-Left: at MOST its an abstraction layer |
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| 02:59.43 | Sutoka | Half-Left: and api breakage is UNACCEPTABLE for kde (hence artsd still being around) |
| 02:59.48 | Half-Left | Sutoka: you mean you can plug media frameworks into it? |
| 02:59.51 | Shirakawasuna | nope, still dies Linux_Galore_ |
| 03:00.22 | Sutoka | Half-Left: you can use gstreamer for phonon, or nmm, or xine, or akode (and any others that are developed) |
| 03:00.24 | Shirakawasuna | is there a way to get konqueror to tell me more than: KCrash: Application 'konqueror' crashing... |
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| 03:00.31 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: then you either have a double entry or kmplayer is still listed, just remove any mention of kmplayer in the file associations |
| 03:00.33 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: backtrace tab |
| 03:00.50 | Shirakawasuna | backtrace tab? |
| 03:00.57 | Shirakawasuna | excellent, I don't know what either of those are :) |
| 03:01.08 | Half-Left | Sutoka: just another unwantered layer of code? |
| 03:01.20 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: is there a place where file associations are stored? There's no mention of kmplayer so far as I can tell in the kcontrol section |
| 03:01.29 | Sutoka | Half-Left: its not gonna slow anything down having a VERY SMALL abstraction layer |
| 03:01.38 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: open konqueror |
| 03:01.44 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: It's also possible that the problem is that konqueror is trying to use mplayerplug-in and doesn't like it |
| 03:01.49 | Half-Left | Sutoka: like HAL? |
| 03:01.49 | Sutoka | Half-Left: especially since the gstreamer devs proposed using THEIR 'simple' api (which they admitted was horribly broken) |
| 03:01.50 | Sho_ | Half-Left: It's really a purely technological issue, and in no way political. The KDE application platform requires a simple API to do multimedia that is consistent with the style of its other APIs. Instead of tieing that API to a specific backend, the technology was set up in a way that allows different backends to be used, making it possible to react to market shifts and/or regional requirements by distributors, while still offering that stable, |
| 03:01.50 | Sho_ | simple API. |
| 03:02.04 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: congigure > file assocations, right? |
| 03:02.05 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: setting -> configure konqueror |
| 03:02.10 | Sho_ | Half-Left: If an application has the need to go lower-level, it can still use GStreamer just fine, Phonon doesn't make that any harder |
| 03:02.11 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: that's the same as the one in kcontrol |
| 03:02.11 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: yep |
| 03:02.39 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: whats the file type |
| 03:02.40 | Half-Left | Sho_: I'm just trying to understand the KDE mind set on this |
| 03:02.43 | Shirakawasuna | everything is set to either kaffeine or netscape plugin viewer |
| 03:02.47 | Shirakawasuna | everything in video |
| 03:03.22 | Sutoka | Half-Left: primarily: not be tied to a single media framework (like artsd fiasco), and also: simple and consistent api with the rest of kde |
| 03:03.46 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: you need to also look under "applications" |
| 03:04.04 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: that menu takes precedence |
| 03:04.19 | Sutoka | Half-Left: like with phonon, 20 lines of code is enough to play back audio with a volume slider to control it, and with artsd it took over 100 IIRC |
| 03:04.52 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: Ive has the same problem Ive edited either video or audio file associations and nothing changes because the applications menu has it in there also |
| 03:04.55 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: if you have kmplayer, what does its entry look like/ |
| 03:04.57 | Half-Left | Sutoka: So what will KDE use, arts is a mess, gstreamer breaks API, so what media framework for KDE4? |
| 03:05.01 | Linux_Galore_ | s.has/had/ |
| 03:05.08 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: is it a big 'KMPlayer' thing or more subtle? |
| 03:05.12 | Linux_Galore_ | s/has/had/ |
| 03:05.17 | Linux_Galore_ | grrr |
| 03:05.19 | Sutoka | Half-Left: phonon with whatever backend, the default backend hasn't been decided |
| 03:05.22 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Well I'm a KDE developer and KDE e.V. member, and while not directly involved with Phonon I can still tell you what our goals are with Phonon: (a) Make it as easy as possible for application developers to do multimedia without worrying about the details (if one does want to worry about the details, they can still use GStreamer or something else), (b) don't make this technology dependant on any single backend framework, so the stable API |
| 03:05.23 | Sho_ | can be provided regardless of market shifts and be as cross-platform as possible |
| 03:05.37 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: no you looking for a file type |
| 03:05.51 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: ie avi mpeg etc |
| 03:05.54 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: I know |
| 03:06.09 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: but if I go there I want to know what I'm scanning for when I see if it has kmpayer or not |
| 03:06.11 | Sutoka | Half-Left: right now backends either exist or are being developed for these frameworks: xine, nmm (by the nmm devs, the first one to be started even!), gstreamer, and akode (a soc project) |
| 03:06.24 | Sutoka | Half-Left: there might be more i don't know about or are being done privately |
| 03:06.58 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Note that the developers of GStreamer themselves are working on developing the GStreamer backend for Phonon |
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| 03:07.07 | Half-Left | Sho_: I'm sorry you lost me now, if phonon lets you use gstreamer with API breakage, that will break the app using it right? |
| 03:07.08 | Sho_ | Half-Left: There are also Xine and NMM backends under way |
| 03:07.16 | Sutoka | Half-Left: nope |
| 03:07.19 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: still don't see it :? |
| 03:07.21 | Shirakawasuna | :/ |
| 03:07.22 | Sutoka | Half-Left: just that particular backend |
| 03:07.47 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: it will show under that file type in the embedded section the ebedded mplayer as first, thats what you need to remove |
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| 03:08.00 | Half-Left | Sutoka: then whats the point of using gstreamer, just dump it |
| 03:08.01 | Sutoka | Half-Left: if the app DIRECTLY uses gstreamer, then the app still has a problem |
| 03:08.07 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Yes, but if GStreamer breaks its API, you only need to fix Phonon and distribute a Phonon library package instead of fixing 100 applications and distributing those |
| 03:08.19 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: the entry it there somewere because computers dont guess |
| 03:08.35 | Shirakawasuna | it should be called embedded mplayer? |
| 03:08.40 | Sutoka | Half-Left: if no one wants to make a backend that works with the newer API then it WILL be dumped |
| 03:08.44 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: yep kill that |
| 03:08.57 | Shirakawasuna | actually I'm going to reinstall it and see what it calls itself ;) |
| 03:09.15 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: kmplayer is a front end to mplayer |
| 03:09.17 | Half-Left | Sutoka: Sho_ , seems gstream is a real waste of time for KDE apps, why even bother, seems silly to even consider gstreamer |
| 03:09.18 | Sutoka | fix a phonon _backend_ (not phonon itself) IIRC |
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| 03:09.41 | Sutoka | Half-Left: kde apps don't have to directly use gstreamer if they don't want to (and shouldn't since phonon's api will be much easier to use) |
| 03:10.01 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 03:10.04 | Sho_ | Half-Left: The market will decide that ... maybe GStreamer will do well, maybe it won't; the point is that application developers who only want to play a goddamn sound file don't have to care |
| 03:10.05 | Shirakawasuna | I'll probably use xine |
| 03:10.05 | Sutoka | Half-Left: gstreamer will have a backend because someone (apparently gstreamer devs) are writing one |
| 03:10.07 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: kmplayer isnt an actual media player, just a graphical interface for mplayer |
| 03:10.15 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 03:10.24 | Shirakawasuna | I thought it'd have a more obvious file association name, though |
| 03:10.52 | Half-Left | ok |
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| 03:11.21 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: I use kaffeine for everything heh heh, best one around for video |
| 03:11.30 | Sutoka | Half-Left: if gstreamer ends up becoming the end all of media frameworks and all other media frameworks devs go to work on it instead of developing t heirs, then kde will have no problems, if its some other framework, again kde will have no problems |
| 03:11.47 | Linux_Galore_ | Shirakawasuna: I set xine as the engine for kaffeine |
| 03:11.51 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: kaffeine's kpart crashes konqueror unfortunately |
| 03:12.13 | Half-Left | Sho_: thanks for the explaination, just shows how much different the thinking on this is |
| 03:12.30 | Sho_ | Half-Left: What do you mean? |
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| 03:12.53 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: I usually find the crashes are nothing to do with kaffeine its the engine crashing, just swap engines |
| 03:12.55 | Sutoka | Half-Left: around the gstreamer .10 release there was a bug bruu-ha-ha about this very subject with the gstreamer devs not liking phonon (calling it 'NIH syndrome' and stuff) |
| 03:13.06 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: I would if xine-1.1.3 would just come out |
| 03:13.29 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: I find xine stalls on mkv files so I always swap to mplayer before I play one as the engine in kaffeine |
| 03:13.30 | Half-Left | Sho_: The whole stance on gstreamer and media frameworks |
| 03:13.30 | Shirakawasuna | Linux_Galore_: there's an issue w/ my video card that makes xine change the gamma output for the XVideo plugin |
| 03:13.31 | Sho_ | Sutoka: Which is stupid, because Phonon is nothing like GStreamer and doesn't compete with GStreamer in any way |
| 03:13.31 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: yeah its kaffeine using xine because it doesn't initialize it right |
| 03:13.34 | Shirakawasuna | makes it ugly/useless |
| 03:14.18 | Half-Left | Sutoka: I remember that yes, gstreamer devs not liking the phonon way |
| 03:14.31 | Sutoka | Sho_: yep, i thats when i read about the gstreamer bindings in kde and all (i liked phonon because i wanted to use xine and like the idea of audio categories so i could adjust groups at a single time) |
| 03:14.51 | Linux_Galore_ | most of my stuff is avi so I dont swap to mplayer in kaffeine often |
| 03:14.54 | Sho_ | Half-Left: There's certainly no political objection to GStreamer from KDE's side. There's generally little to no politics involved in KDE development. Decisions happen based on technical merit. |
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| 03:15.53 | Shirakawasuna | kaffeine can use mplayer? |
| 03:16.05 | Linux_Galore_ | yeah I always wondered why the kde guys didnt just fork gstreamer so they have a stable branch then updated it from cvs on every major number release in kde |
| 03:16.05 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: it can embed kmplayer i think actually |
| 03:16.13 | Shirakawasuna | weird |
| 03:16.17 | Half-Left | Sho_: 0.10.x is so much better than 0.8.x though, maybe breaking API was a good thing :p |
| 03:16.24 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: kmplayer or kplayer (both can use mplayer) |
| 03:16.35 | Sutoka | Half-Left: but did they NEED to break it for that? |
| 03:16.43 | Half-Left | I dont know |
| 03:16.52 | Half-Left | they must have a reason |
| 03:16.53 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: kde guys don't want another arts, and forking gstreamer means another arts |
| 03:17.07 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: yeah but arts blows |
| 03:17.20 | _slacker_ | Sutoka: FYI it works ok with a script in evn who set KDEWM to beryl, not beryl-manager :) |
| 03:17.23 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: arts blows because it ended up kde devs having to maintain it |
| 03:17.35 | Sutoka | _slacker_: odd, works fine for me with beryl-manager |
| 03:17.51 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: and none of the kde devs like touching the code |
| 03:18.24 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: though that wouldn't have prevented the problem of abi/api changes |
| 03:18.29 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Basically, keep in mind KDE is not just a desktop environment, it's an application platform. And things like playing a sound file to announce that your DVD-R has finished recording shouldn't require delving into a sophisticated low-level multimedia framework, or into a foreign API style. That's not competitive, it has to be easy and consistent. GStreamer is C, KDE is C++. A wrapper would be needed in any case. Phonon is a wrapper not tied |
| 03:18.29 | Sho_ | to GStreamer specifically, but one which can wrap around whatever backend appears to be the best given the situation, which can change with time, region or even the individual. Think of Phonon as an asset to the KDE application platform that makes it easier to write multimedia-rich apps, as a safety net, and as putting the choice into the hand of the user. |
| 03:18.33 | Half-Left | Sutoka: what reason do you break API for? |
| 03:18.44 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: Im not saying the kde devs maintain gstreamer, they just create a stable fork for the period of that major release number of kde, ie when kde 3.5 changes to kde2.6 they update to a new version of gstreamer |
| 03:19.06 | _slacker_ | Sutoka: with beryl-manager sometimes opens the tray icon of beryl-manager twice |
| 03:19.12 | Linux_Galore_ | s/2.6/ 3.6/ |
| 03:19.31 | Sutoka | Half-Left: KDE only breaks API every major release (i.e. for kde4 they are) |
| 03:19.38 | Half-Left | Sho_: So Phonon is a bridge to media frameworks? |
| 03:19.54 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: kde keeps api/abi for the entire kde3 series, not 3.5.x series |
| 03:20.15 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: well for the whole of kde 4 then |
| 03:20.19 | Sho_ | Half-Left: You can deduce that Phonon is an attractive idea just by existing applications, actually. Look at how Amarok has its own framework to implement player backends - GStreamer (deactivated due to API breakage atm), Xine, Helix, etc. -, and so does KMPlayer (Xine, GStreamer, MPlayer), JuK (GStreamer, Arts) and others. Phonon can obsolete all of that redundant code. |
| 03:20.27 | Sutoka | Half-Left: http://phonon.kde.org/cms/1022 <-- on that page is an example of writing a simple media player using phonon |
| 03:20.41 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: that'd be forking gstreamer then, which NO kde dev wants to do |
| 03:20.58 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: haul in patches from gstreamer cvs that dont break the api |
| 03:21.13 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: they'd still be forking gstreamer, it wouldn't be pretty at all |
| 03:21.26 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: plus by the end of kde4 you'd have just another arts on your hands |
| 03:21.51 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Now if GStreamer ends up being vastly better than any competitor for years to come, no problem with that, Phonon will make it simple to use GStreamer in your app. All can be happy. |
| 03:22.08 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: its time though that we had a single solution for all the desktops |
| 03:22.20 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: phonon doesn't prevent that, and whos to say gstreamer is that? |
| 03:22.31 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: Im not, just we need one |
| 03:22.39 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: right now gstreamer isn't mature |
| 03:23.00 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: maybe by kde5 it will be and then gstreamer could be used directly if it runs on all the platforms kde5 will run on |
| 03:23.23 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: assuming it has a nice and attractive api to even kde devs |
| 03:23.29 | Half-Left | Sho_: Sorry but how can that be if gstreamer breaks API, i'm I off the ball here? |
| 03:23.50 | Sutoka | Half-Left: phonon uses plugins that provide access to the backend frameworks |
| 03:23.55 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Maybe they'll stop breaking their API at some point because they're happy with it |
| 03:24.03 | Sutoka | Half-Left: if gstreamer .12 breaks api, then a gstreamer-12.so could be made for that |
| 03:24.15 | Linux_Galore_ | you must admit the gstreamer plugins are a big drool factor |
| 03:24.17 | Sutoka | Half-Left: phonon means api/abi breakage isn't a problem at all |
| 03:24.34 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: why? i don't even HAVE gstreamer installed on my system because i don't have any apps that use it |
| 03:24.57 | Sho_ | Half-Left: And yes, Phonon is a bridge to media frameworks |
| 03:25.05 | Sho_ | Half-Left: It's very lightweight technology |
| 03:25.13 | Linux_Galore_ | we will have to see how Phonon works |
| 03:25.13 | XVampireX | Is Kwin4 gonna be easy to enable and disable the compositing features? No compile time feature? |
| 03:25.23 | Sutoka | XVampireX: probably |
| 03:25.35 | XVampireX | That's neat! |
| 03:25.44 | Half-Left | Sutoka: I have limited knowledge of code, but how can that be, surely phonon would have now idea about a different API statement? |
| 03:25.49 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: its already working pretty well in svn, just look at the phonon site and the example app, its really small yet it's enough to play audio |
| 03:26.00 | Sutoka | Half-Left: thats the backend's jobs |
| 03:26.18 | Half-Left | no* |
| 03:26.20 | XVampireX | Phonon means the next generation for sound system management and the next generation of sound layers and it all beats whatever comes in Vista and after |
| 03:26.36 | Linux_Galore_ | Sutoka: yeah but just playing audio isnt what we need, we need something that knows how to deal with a wide range of file classes and types |
| 03:26.38 | XVampireX | Cause they can't compete |
| 03:26.46 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: thats the backends job |
| 03:27.05 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: phonon will be able to play any file that the backend can use |
| 03:27.07 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Phonon presents an API to the application developer. Under the hood, usage of that API is translated, if you will, by a pluggable backend into calls into the API of e.g. GStreamer |
| 03:27.23 | Sho_ | Half-Left: If GStreamer breaks its API, the GStreamer backend module for Phonon needs to be updated |
| 03:27.39 | _slacker_ | 'night all... |
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| 03:27.47 | Linux_Galore_ | aah so phonon could be a stable api for kde dev's with gstreamer lol |
| 03:28.00 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: http://phonon.kde.org/cms/1022 <-- thats enough to play VIDEO, but they don't have to bother with handling the formats used (the backends for phonon do that) |
| 03:28.01 | Linux_Galore_ | s/with/for/ |
| 03:28.05 | Sho_ | Linux_Galore_: That's the point I've been making repeatedly for the last hour, yes ;) |
| 03:28.22 | Linux_Galore_ | Sho_: niiice |
| 03:28.29 | Linux_Galore_ | Sho_: sorry missed that bit |
| 03:28.40 | Half-Left | Sho_: right so when API is broken phonon will be ok because of the gstreamer backend for phonon? |
| 03:28.56 | Sho_ | Half-Left: yup |
| 03:29.06 | Half-Left | cool |
| 03:29.21 | Linux_Galore_ | so we just need to hack phonon a bit when gstreamer breaks things the rest stays the same for the app dev's |
| 03:29.27 | Half-Left | Sho_: thats real nice |
| 03:29.35 | Linux_Galore_ | thats actually a good fix |
| 03:29.36 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: yep (and actually just the gstreamer plugin for phonon) |
| 03:29.52 | Sho_ | Half-Left: And the GStreamer backend for Phonon is actually being developed by GStreamer developers (!), so if GStreamer breaks it's API, you can expect that the backend module for Phonon will be updated in lockstep, and distributed along with the new GStreamer by all distros -> API breakage no trouble |
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| 03:30.49 | Half-Left | Sho_: wow, sounds great, use users it's hard for us to undertsand it proper like when you explain it like this |
| 03:30.54 | Half-Left | us* |
| 03:31.36 | Sutoka | Half-Left: pretty much: all users will be happy, gstreamer fans, xine fans, nmm fans, etc |
| 03:32.58 | Linux_Galore_ | kde 4 is starting to look better by the day |
| 03:33.06 | Half-Left | Sutoka: But is phonon real code or just a idea still? |
| 03:33.11 | Sutoka | a neat thing about phonon will be that apps categories themselves best on what they are (the categories that exist right now are: notification, music player, video player, communication, game, and accessibility) |
| 03:33.17 | Sutoka | Half-Left: real code! |
| 03:33.54 | Sutoka | so that means that an application could lower say your notifications sound volume when you get an incoming call, or other interesting things like that |
| 03:33.57 | Sho_ | Half-Left: So the bottom line is, Phonon doesn't compete with GStreamer in any way, it just makes it easier for app developers to do simple multimedia in their apps without worrying about the details and while being able to use a familiar API. The only reason that it appears "GStreamer-hostile" is because it's not tied to GStreamer, it can use other backends as well as needed (because they make more sense some time in the future, or on another OS, or |
| 03:33.57 | Sho_ | in another region, or for another individual). One GStreamer developer got cranky about that publically because he wanted that KDE uses GStreamer exclusively rather than still allowing distributors and users the choice of using something else. |
| 03:34.22 | Half-Left | Sho_: I understand now |
| 03:35.17 | Ardonik | * Ci-Dev has quit ("Capitalisation is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a ho) |
| 03:35.20 | Half-Left | Sutoka: will phonon work the same wahy on ther platforms? |
| 03:35.21 | Ardonik | That did NOT come out right. |
| 03:35.21 | Sutoka | Linux_Galore_: Solid is another new framework thats also very nice, basically its like phonon except for the hardware directly, so it'll be easier for apps to get information about the hardware (like say for kopete to know when you disconnect from the internet to know not to bother trying to re-connect constantly) |
| 03:35.32 | Half-Left | way* |
| 03:35.37 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Phonon is real and works today |
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| 03:36.04 | Sho_ | Half-Left: The xine backend is the farthest along atm, but now that the GStreamer people are working on a GStreamer backend I'm sure it will catch up fast |
| 03:36.12 | Sho_ | There's also an NMM backend |
| 03:36.23 | Half-Left | NMM? |
| 03:36.28 | Sho_ | Network MultiMedia |
| 03:36.34 | Sutoka | Half-Left: on other platforms like windows and os x you mean? if so then yes it could be used to directly use coreaudio/video on os x and directshow/directwhatever on windows (if someone writes the backends) |
| 03:36.38 | Sho_ | http://www.networkmultimedia.org/ |
| 03:36.54 | DaB|ade | NMM... I never got that thing to work. |
| 03:36.56 | Half-Left | Sutoka: yer nice |
| 03:37.18 | DaB|ade | Tried installing it several times. Both from deb packages, rpms converted to debs, compiling etc.. |
| 03:37.20 | DaB|ade | Never worked. |
| 03:37.26 | DaB|ade | What is it with that app? |
| 03:38.04 | Half-Left | Sho_: Yer Xine seems to be the best, just works |
| 03:38.30 | Sutoka | Half-Left: which is why im happy about phonon! |
| 03:38.55 | Half-Left | gstreamer had to port all of their plugins to 0.10 which I bet was a pain |
| 03:38.56 | Sho_ | Half-Left: The way Phonon came about is actually after evaluating the available media frameworks for almost two years. We even had them attend the KDE Developer's Conference and present their technology. At the end, after looking at everything, after talking to application developers and distributors about their needs, etc., Phonon emerged as the way to go and the best solution for the platform. |
| 03:39.03 | DaBlade | Some minor problems with .flv playback, but works superbly otherwise. |
| 03:39.41 | XVampireX | DaBlade: mplayer for that |
| 03:39.47 | Half-Left | Sho_: seems like a great wahy of thinking |
| 03:39.52 | DaBlade | I find mplayer cumbersome |
| 03:39.55 | Half-Left | way* |
| 03:40.09 | XVampireX | DaBlade: What do you mean? |
| 03:40.15 | Sutoka | DaBlade: if using kaffeine, you can switch engines by only clicking like 2 mouse buttons |
| 03:40.18 | DaBlade | so I do ffmpeg -i originalfile.flv -vcodec xvid -acodec mp3 newfile.avi |
| 03:40.18 | Half-Left | kmplayer works friggin great with Xine |
| 03:40.22 | XVampireX | DaBlade: Xine can't playback non-bitmap subtitles |
| 03:40.25 | DaBlade | Sutoka: I use xine-ui |
| 03:40.36 | DaBlade | XVampireX: I'm talking about the Flash Video format |
| 03:40.42 | XVampireX | DaBlade: You can do it one time in /home/user/.mplayer/config |
| 03:40.48 | XVampireX | DaBlade: I know |
| 03:40.52 | Sutoka | DaBlade: well then you can't use mplayer as a backend in that... it'd be rather humorous if you could though |
| 03:44.00 | Sho_ | Sutoka: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qsound.html |
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| 03:44.25 | Sutoka | Sho_: how long has that been there?!?! |
| 03:44.35 | Sho_ | Sutoka: 2.x I think |
| 03:44.45 | Benzi | when I try to access settings:/, I get the error "Unknown settings folder". Does anyone know where the default settings folder is? |
| 03:44.48 | Sho_ | Sutoka: http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/qsound.html |
| 03:44.56 | Half-Left | Sho_: No problem |
| 03:45.43 | Sho_ | Sutoka: It's not really useful for anything ;) |
| 03:45.44 | Sutoka | Sho_: holy crap i'ven ever seen that before... but only supports .wav universally it looks like |
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| 03:48.34 | Half-Left | Sho_: you get my pm's? |
| 03:48.58 | Sho_ | Half-Left: yep |
| 03:51.01 | Half-Left | damn thing didnot register me |
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| 04:06.38 | Half-Left | Wow, the shit really has hit the fan with Novell and MS deal :p |
| 04:08.10 | Kragnerac | heh |
| 04:08.45 | Sutoka | Half-Left: novell's management must not like having a job |
| 04:08.58 | Half-Left | yer not kidding |
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| 04:10.22 | Half-Left | Sutoka: yer, but even some/one certain novell employee said somethings that hit the fan as well |
| 04:10.29 | Kragnerac | XGL on Windows |
| 04:10.54 | Sutoka | Kragnerac: ? |
| 04:11.11 | Sutoka | Kragnerac: why would that happen? |
| 04:11.51 | Sutoka | Half-Left: red hat already said that in a year they'd be the only ones left in enterprise linux |
| 04:12.58 | Half-Left | Sutoka: I hoped my friend was wrong when he said Novell was the MS of the Linux world, He's looking right aready it seems |
| 04:13.23 | Sutoka | Half-Left: novell isn't ms of the linux world |
| 04:13.37 | Slack4020 | whats the mpeg 2 to mpeg4 compression ratio ? |
| 04:13.50 | Sutoka | MS never jumped into a guillotine |
| 04:13.58 | Half-Left | heh |
| 04:14.20 | Sutoka | Slack4020: good? i don't think theres a '3:1' or anything like that |
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| 04:14.42 | SAS_Spidey01 | plaese pardon the huge link but, |
| 04:14.43 | SAS_Spidey01 | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Story.aspx?guid=%7BEEF34C41%2D480F%2D4ABC%2D9D0F%2DE5BC53E5C552%7D&siteid= |
| 04:14.47 | Slack4020 | isnt like mpeg 4 like twice the compression |
| 04:15.10 | SAS_Spidey01 | I've never had any thing aganst Novell though |
| 04:15.13 | Slack4020 | a 300 mb .avi mpeg4 compresses to 900 mb mpeg2 |
| 04:15.33 | Sutoka | Slack4020: i depends on what you set the bitrate to on an mpeg4 video |
| 04:16.49 | Slack4020 | as with any |
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| 04:22.28 | DaBlade | infiltrate* |
| 04:22.35 | Sutoka | MS won't be able to take over Linux |
| 04:22.46 | Munchkinguy | Is there anywhere I can find an OS9 icon theme for KDE? |
| 04:22.49 | Sutoka | at best they can slow down parts of it by killing *nix companies |
| 04:22.51 | Half-Left | yer, the friggin spell checker is not working here |
| 04:23.11 | Sutoka | Munchkinguy: if you look hard enough maybe... or if you can find OS9 icons and convert to a format if needed, you could make one |
| 04:24.52 | Half-Left | Munchkinguy: there is icons on kde-look.org, not sure if they are OS X 9 |
| 04:25.29 | Munchkinguy | where? |
| 04:25.45 | SAS_Spidey01 | I know theres a few OS X like ones but I don't know about OS9 |
| 04:25.55 | Half-Left | kde-look.org |
| 04:26.19 | Sutoka | Munchkinguy: there probably isn't an os9 theme |
| 04:27.05 | Munchkinguy | It seems strange that KDE comes with an OS9 widget theme (platinum) but no os9-style icons |
| 04:27.59 | SAS_Spidey01 | there is even a Classic Windows theme |
| 04:28.02 | Half-Left | Munchkinguy: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13289 |
| 04:28.14 | Half-Left | I guess they are the newer ones |
| 04:28.21 | Sutoka | i believe platinum is a Qt3 widget style |
| 04:33.17 | Shirakawasuna | whoah, RAD.E8 icons |
| 04:33.20 | Shirakawasuna | sweet |
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| 04:35.01 | Munchkinguy | sorry? |
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| 04:48.20 | sls | good hello |
| 04:49.00 | Slack4020 | Renze: why so quite today |
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| 04:49.41 | InterTwined | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 04:49.44 | InterTwined | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 04:49.47 | InterTwined | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 04:49.50 | Sutoka | ugh... bots |
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| 04:50.14 | Half-Left | :p |
| 04:50.58 | Slack4020 | heh |
| 04:51.11 | Slack4020 | dis respect to lilo |
| 04:51.21 | sls | microsoft is the gay nigger association of us america? |
| 04:51.25 | sls | interesting |
| 04:51.28 | sls | I was not aware |
| 04:51.48 | sls | I thought it was dell |
| 04:52.00 | sls | anyhow |
| 04:52.19 | Benzi | ha |
| 04:52.21 | sls | are there plans to support kio protocols like smb:// in amarok? |
| 04:52.43 | Benzi | doesn't it already claim that it can handle KIO? |
| 04:53.01 | sls | oh ok .)) it did not work at a first trivial attempt |
| 04:53.09 | sls | so I mounted it |
| 04:53.21 | Benzi | you can mount kio??? XD |
| 04:53.21 | sls | maybe I need to install something extra to amarok |
| 04:53.27 | sls | Benzi: nah smb |
| 04:53.30 | sls | Benzi: .)) |
| 04:53.44 | sls | Benzi: btw I think thats possible, too, in Linux at least |
| 04:53.49 | Benzi | oh... yeah, I don't like those fuse kernel mounters and stuff |
| 04:54.06 | Benzi | wow, that was terribly worded on my part |
| 04:55.00 | Benzi | eh, it's been a while... I'll ask my question again: when I try to visit settings:/, I get the error "Unknown settings folder". Does anyone know where the settings folder is supposed to be? |
| 04:55.54 | Sutoka | sls: for kde4 there will be seek which is what amarok/kaffeine needs |
| 04:55.55 | SAS_Spidey01 | I have no idea what I just did, but konquroers location toolbar is hovering in mid air over the window... |
| 04:56.15 | SAS_Spidey01 | KDE settings Benzi? |
| 04:56.16 | Sutoka | Benzi: you don't need fuse for mounting smb |
| 04:56.26 | Benzi | SAS_Spidey: yes |
| 04:56.40 | Benzi | yeah, I forgot that there was a built-in smbfs |
| 04:56.49 | SAS_Spidey01 | afaik users configuration is all in ~/.kde/* |
| 04:56.59 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: right mouse click on it and adjust the 'orientation' |
| 04:57.02 | Benzi | yeah, I thought so |
| 04:57.59 | Sutoka | current kde3 kio framework doesn't support kio which means amarok/kaffeine/etc can't really use it and have normal functionality, though that problem will go away with the kde4 versions |
| 04:58.08 | Benzi | ah... so the settings group is supposed to be all in the kmenu already I guess |
| 04:58.12 | SAS_Spidey01 | wow |
| 04:58.19 | Benzi | because the error says kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ |
| 04:59.08 | Munchkinguy | bye |
| 05:01.32 | Benzi | I guess the kmenu reads from /usr/share/menu |
| 05:02.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | ? |
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| 05:03.21 | Slack4020 | if my dvd player plays xvid format / divx that means it has a mpeg4 decoder right ? |
| 05:04.02 | Slack4020 | casue i have some episodes of a cartoon series that are mpg4 .avi files but i dont know if they are divx or xvid / w/e |
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| 05:04.23 | Sutoka | mpg4 isn't the same as xvid/divx |
| 05:04.41 | Slack4020 | my files are .avi |
| 05:05.28 | Slack4020 | ISO MPEG-4 (DivX5, ffmpeg) 512x384(512x384) |
| 05:05.33 | Slack4020 | i guess that anwsered my question |
| 05:11.32 | Sutoka | ah right, divx5 supports mpeg4 |
| 05:11.46 | Sutoka | or does mpeg4... whatever it is |
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| 05:53.42 | Half-Left | later |
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| 06:08.19 | Half-Left | Planet kde just gets funnier |
| 06:08.39 | Sutoka | Half-Left: how so? |
| 06:08.58 | Half-Left | check it out |
| 06:09.00 | Sutoka | im working my way up the posts right now (on a novell + ms blog posting right now) |
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| 06:09.40 | Half-Left | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/418 |
| 06:10.06 | cool | can some one give me an YaST Package Repositories with the updated version of FireFox 2 and KDE 3.5.5 |
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| 06:10.08 | Half-Left | classic |
| 06:10.18 | Sutoka | cool: ask in #suse |
| 06:10.30 | Sutoka | or check out opensuse's website |
| 06:10.41 | cool | i tried... been in there an hour and no one is taking to me |
| 06:11.16 | cool | i checked the site but none of it has the updated versions of the two most needed programs i use |
| 06:11.17 | Half-Left | maybe people have stoppped using SUSE :p |
| 06:11.20 | Sutoka | holy crap i just forgot how to type for about 10 seconds |
| 06:11.21 | cool | kde and firefox |
| 06:11.41 | Sutoka | suse has 3.5.5 packages... has for a while |
| 06:12.03 | cool | it still shows me using kde 3.5.1 |
| 06:12.14 | Half-Left | you'll find them at kde.org |
| 06:12.16 | Sutoka | cool: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories <-- that page |
| 06:12.26 | Sutoka | it has a bunch of repositories |
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| 06:12.52 | cool | i was there bro and none have the updated firefox 2.0 |
| 06:12.58 | cool | only 1.5 |
| 06:13.18 | Half-Left | cool: Their signed, "With love, Microsoft" |
| 06:14.09 | cool | ? |
| 06:14.39 | Half-Left | :D |
| 06:14.45 | cool | what? |
| 06:14.52 | Sutoka | novell made a deal with microsoft |
| 06:14.55 | Sutoka | novell owns suse |
| 06:15.37 | cool | where did you find this? |
| 06:15.51 | cool | and is slackware good or whaqt sould i use? |
| 06:16.07 | Half-Left | I use slackware |
| 06:16.35 | Sutoka | cool: everywhere |
| 06:16.53 | Sutoka | cool: 10.1 or 10.0? |
| 06:16.57 | cool | 10.1 |
| 06:17.14 | cool | i want an easy to install but also great linux os |
| 06:17.53 | Half-Left | you just answer your own question :p |
| 06:18.01 | Half-Left | answered* |
| 06:18.21 | cool | ????? |
| 06:18.39 | Half-Left | try slackware |
| 06:18.50 | cool | does it install like that of suse? |
| 06:19.00 | Half-Left | text install |
| 06:19.05 | Half-Left | but easy |
| 06:19.06 | Sutoka | Half-Left: apparently part of the deal is to add open xml to OOo, except most likely only a subset so you can go OOo -> MS Office... |
| 06:19.49 | Sutoka | Half-Left: and Novell has pretty much said 'yep, we believe MS has patents that cover linux stuff, so we're gonna buy them off for 5 years while they kill off everyone else and get us last' |
| 06:19.59 | Half-Left | Sutoka: Yer to shaft ODF up the arse |
| 06:20.44 | Sutoka | novell's management has made a MASSIVE mistake on this one it looks like... that is unless they're assuming microsoft will just buy them out and they'll get nice jobs... |
| 06:20.57 | Half-Left | hehe |
| 06:21.06 | Half-Left | stock price as well |
| 06:21.23 | Half-Left | Novell up, Redhat down |
| 06:21.26 | cool | ummm.... |
| 06:21.43 | cool | whats the big diff in distros? |
| 06:21.58 | cool | whats makes slack better then suse |
| 06:22.00 | Half-Left | cool: SUSE is rpm based |
| 06:24.08 | Half-Left | Sutoka: I wonder how many people have underestimated this, Sun got shafted the same way |
| 06:24.39 | Sutoka | packages available, package manager, community, philosophy, etc |
| 06:24.49 | SAS_Spidey01 | The big diffrence between distros imho is people who have differing ideas on how to solve the same problem or fill a niche |
| 06:24.58 | Sutoka | Half-Left: freaking IBM got shafted by microsoft when IBM WAS computers |
| 06:25.14 | Sutoka | and at the time MS was a couple guys with NOTHING |
| 06:25.23 | Half-Left | Sutoka: I guess Novell is next |
| 06:25.42 | Half-Left | Netscape, real, Sun, IBM |
| 06:26.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | mmm classic funky-monkey theme & deepblue context browser style makes for some Amarok Eye candy |
| 06:26.47 | Sutoka | now Microsoft is the giant empire, and Novell, which was nearly killed by MS in the past but spared because they weren't even worthy of being finished off, and is now threatening them again (mono, OOo, suse) thinks they can gain something by making a DEAL with MS to basically say they're dead in 5 years after MS takes everyone else out |
| 06:27.04 | cool | hey guys, mind taking a screenshot of your linux? i want to see what i am missing |
| 06:27.35 | SAS_Spidey01 | What does Novell have to do with OpenOffice? I thought it was primarly backed by Sun |
| 06:27.50 | Half-Left | Sutoka: Well the whole SCO thing was a good try |
| 06:27.52 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: novell has been pushing OOo something, though of the 3 its the smallest |
| 06:27.56 | cool | #slackware |
| 06:27.59 | SAS_Spidey01 | wow |
| 06:28.02 | Sutoka | Half-Left: yep, but that didn't really pan out |
| 06:28.11 | cool | wtf^ |
| 06:28.18 | cool | how the hell did that happen? |
| 06:28.26 | Half-Left | SAS_Spidey01: dont some OO.o devs work for Novell? |
| 06:28.41 | SAS_Spidey01 | I don't know to be honest |
| 06:28.44 | cool | i joined #slackware and boom i got kicked and said i was banned |
| 06:28.45 | Sutoka | cool: my desktop is mostly the default, except i use Serenity style/deco and rearragend the window border buttons for close on the left, and minimize, all desktops, and always on top on the right |
| 06:29.12 | Sutoka | cool: does your computer run a IRC troll bot? o.O? |
| 06:29.21 | cool | no |
| 06:29.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | I like my laptops desktop :) |
| 06:29.29 | cool | this is a clean installion of suse |
| 06:29.46 | Sutoka | well i had no problems joining |
| 06:29.50 | bline | maybe they kick you for not running slackware |
| 06:29.51 | Half-Left | cool: http://picasaweb.google.com/SuseUX/Desktop |
| 06:29.52 | Sutoka | and the channel is ##slackware |
| 06:29.58 | Half-Left | haha |
| 06:30.13 | cool | thats not cool... iwant to find out more about slack |
| 06:30.26 | SAS_Spidey01 | left/right transparent panels in each bottom corner. One for KMenu, Konqueror Profiles and Seamonkey icon. Other for a system tray. Gkrellm on the right wall, autohiding transparent external taskbar up top & currently an ALIENS wall paper |
| 06:30.27 | cool | cuz if suse want be around all the time, i want something that will be |
| 06:30.36 | Half-Left | I think Michael Meeks is a oo.o dev and works for Novell |
| 06:32.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | cool, if you want some thing that will be around for all time any Unix like will do |
| 06:32.37 | SAS_Spidey01 | Open Source, Unix like, mostly Open Source software = has alot more chance of living through the tests of time then the avg closed source hodge podge |
| 06:32.38 | cool | damn... i wish the was just something called plain old linux.... |
| 06:32.51 | SAS_Spidey01 | There is cool, it's called Linux (the kernel that is) |
| 06:33.05 | cool | i mean distro^ |
| 06:33.06 | cool | lol |
| 06:33.14 | Half-Left | slackware is just that |
| 06:33.17 | cool | if i could just run of linux with kde i would |
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| 06:33.32 | SAS_Spidey01 | You might try pc-bsd (http:www.pcbsd.org) it's a BSD not a Linux but BSD is a bit less chaos then GNU/Linux Distros |
| 06:34.02 | SAS_Spidey01 | You might try GNU/GNOME then >_< (no offense to gnome or gnu) |
| 06:34.05 | *** join/#kde tx018 (n=rschoen@adsl-70-137-15-103.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) |
| 06:34.14 | cool | ok, if i get slackware, all i do is type in a couple commands to install and it does the rest, or do i have to help it do it all |
| 06:34.34 | Half-Left | cool: just follow the on screen instructions |
| 06:34.37 | mayday_jay | cool -> just checked my logs -- ##slackware kicked you because you were logged in as root when you joined the channel. |
| 06:34.38 | cool | im sorry, but GNOME sucks... |
| 06:34.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | I used to use slackware but not under X11 |
| 06:34.49 | cool | ohhh.... |
| 06:34.50 | cool | ok |
| 06:35.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | The only thing I find nice about Gnome is ubuntu's theme and GTK+ |
| 06:35.13 | cool | well i just order the cds for slack |
| 06:35.37 | Half-Left | cool: comes with KDE 3.5.4 but 3.5.5 package are about |
| 06:35.46 | cool | i like the notes in gnome and the fact you can change shit with a click of a button and not having to kill x |
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| 06:36.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | The only time I kill X is when I'm changing some thing in my xorg configuration - not KDE |
| 06:36.21 | cool | PCLinuxOS 0.93a |
| 06:36.26 | cool | new to the distros? |
| 06:36.49 | Half-Left | cool: also you have to startx manually, or find how to start up kdm and init4 |
| 06:36.49 | SAS_Spidey01 | at worse a drop to single user & back to multi-user if I change /etc/ttys |
| 06:37.34 | Half-Left | cool: why not download it? |
| 06:39.20 | Sutoka | cool: http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=moohg1.png <-- my desktop |
| 06:39.48 | Sutoka | i use twinview with 2 monitors, which is why the resolution is 2560x1024 |
| 06:40.21 | Sutoka | there hasn't be a LOT of GUI customization, but there has been a LOT of stuff you can't just see |
| 06:40.37 | Sutoka | im running gentoo, so pretty much normal KDE |
| 06:41.00 | Sutoka | and at the top right are 2 superkaramba themes (the top one is an amarok one, and under that is liquidweather++) |
| 06:41.13 | cool | i'll be back under Zing, logging out of root |
| 06:41.24 | SAS_Spidey01 | http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5694/bbkdestylebq1.jpg < My laptop yesterday |
| 06:42.03 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: no window titles??? |
| 06:42.03 | SAS_Spidey01 | Who on earth runs an irc client as root...... |
| 06:42.14 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: cool/ZiNg |
| 06:42.43 | cool | i had to... i was doing some stupid xgl shit today |
| 06:42.59 | Sutoka | and...? |
| 06:43.08 | SAS_Spidey01 | The black bar on the very top is seamonkey shaded. It's a BB theme so maybe it didn't care for window titles >_< |
| 06:43.35 | Sutoka | heh, well i don't know about you, but i LIKE knowing what a window is... especially when i shade it |
| 06:43.40 | SAS_Spidey01 | I switched back to kde/kwin b/c of stability problems :( |
| 06:44.00 | Sutoka | what wm is that? |
| 06:44.10 | SAS_Spidey01 | Well if I don't know what it is, that means I'm surfing the web from Windows >_< |
| 06:44.22 | SAS_Spidey01 | I was running KDE with Blackbox in that shot |
| 06:44.31 | Sutoka | ah... i never liked blackbox |
| 06:44.39 | Sutoka | i never liked any of the *box'es |
| 06:44.50 | SAS_Spidey01 | I love BB, but it can be a bit of work to make it look nice |
| 06:44.52 | Half-Left | http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopae3.png <----my current |
| 06:45.28 | SAS_Spidey01 | Nice wall paper Half-Left |
| 06:45.35 | Half-Left | :) |
| 06:45.36 | Sutoka | Half-Left: kxdocker? |
| 06:45.40 | Half-Left | nope |
| 06:45.47 | Half-Left | kicker |
| 06:45.53 | icwiener | Half-Left: You live in Nottingham? :D |
| 06:45.58 | Half-Left | yep |
| 06:46.01 | *** join/#kde _ZiNg (n=ZiNg@h154.118.39.162.ip.alltel.net) |
| 06:46.06 | Sutoka | icwiener: that or he just likes knowing the weather there |
| 06:46.12 | _ZiNg | this is bullshit........ |
| 06:46.21 | icwiener | Half-Left: Funny. :) |
| 06:46.25 | Half-Left | Sutoka: hehe |
| 06:46.28 | Sutoka | well, if it came out of the back of a bull, it probably is |
| 06:46.29 | _ZiNg | i can run my FireFox in root but not in my username |
| 06:46.35 | SAS_Spidey01 | I just need to figure out where to put a clock without the BB toolbar |
| 06:46.40 | Sutoka | _ZiNg: any errors when started as your user? |
| 06:46.44 | _ZiNg | none |
| 06:46.57 | Sutoka | well try deleting the firefox data dirs in your home directory |
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| 06:47.04 | _ZiNg | ok |
| 06:47.11 | Hikaru79 | Hello :) Does anyone know if there's a way to get Krita to show you the coordinate location in the image of the mouse pointer? |
| 06:47.17 | Hikaru79 | So you can just hower the mouse over a point in the image and get its coordinates automagically. |
| 06:47.18 | icwiener | _ZiNg: even when starting it from console? |
| 06:47.29 | _ZiNg | haven't tried |
| 06:47.41 | _ZiNg | all it does is bounce up and down then goes away |
| 06:47.49 | _ZiNg | the icon^ |
| 06:48.09 | Half-Left | Sutoka: traitor :p |
| 06:48.10 | Hikaru79 | lol, Sutoka |
| 06:48.12 | Sutoka | _ZiNg: try running from a konsole, most *nix apps only spit out errors there |
| 06:48.12 | tx018 | unsing Konversation here |
| 06:48.24 | icwiener | _ZiNg: Then try to run it from a terminal, maybe it gives you some error there. |
| 06:48.54 | _ZiNg | >>>/usr/bin/firefox: line 159: 7877 Segmentation fault $AOSS $MOZ_PROGRAM $@ |
| 06:49.06 | _ZiNg | #FIREFOX |
| 06:49.12 | Sutoka | unfortunately kopete doesn't support rich text and spell check at the same time (sorry but black text on white background gets boring after many many hours) |
| 06:49.21 | Sutoka | _ZiNg: is that the only line? |
| 06:49.22 | icwiener | "Segmentation fault" <_ Now you know what's wrong. ;) |
| 06:49.24 | _ZiNg | yep |
| 06:49.33 | _ZiNg | i dont.... |
| 06:49.34 | _ZiNg | lol |
| 06:50.00 | Half-Left | Sutoka: kopete does spell check |
| 06:50.08 | Sutoka | _ZiNg: you should, blame it on Mr. Segmentation! god hes the worst OSS dev EVER |
| 06:50.20 | Sutoka | Half-Left: not at the same time as rich text though, its one or the other |
| 06:50.47 | _ZiNg | what on earth are you talking about? |
| 06:50.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | is there a reason why when ever I change my theme amaroks systray icon gets lost ? |
| 06:51.03 | Sutoka | once again my joke is a total dud... |
| 06:51.13 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: what theme? |
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| 06:51.37 | Half-Left | Sutoka: Konversation dont spell check for me :/ |
| 06:51.40 | SAS_Spidey01 | So far I've had it happen with iKons and Slick |
| 06:51.41 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: amarok theme? widget 'theme' (style)? kde wide theme? superkaramba theme? writing theme? |
| 06:51.47 | Sutoka | Half-Left: it does for me! |
| 06:52.14 | Sutoka | Half-Left: what version of konversation are you running? |
| 06:52.19 | icwiener | _ZiNg: Seems to be no KDE issue... so maybe you should ask that in some firefox channel (if exists). |
| 06:52.24 | SAS_Spidey01 | s/theme/icon set |
| 06:52.26 | Half-Left | 1.0.1 |
| 06:52.27 | Sutoka | ok, what version of konversation do you have |
| 06:52.35 | _ZiNg | lol it does... but its dead |
| 06:52.39 | Sutoka | do you have aspell/ispell/whatever setup right? |
| 06:52.55 | Half-Left | Konqueror checks ok |
| 06:53.06 | Sutoka | well thats an odd one |
| 06:53.07 | icwiener | _ZiNg: Then the channel of your distibution. |
| 06:53.12 | Half-Left | yer |
| 06:53.45 | _ZiNg | i did... im banned |
| 06:53.57 | icwiener | lol? |
| 06:54.00 | Half-Left | ispell comes with slackware |
| 06:54.00 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Stupid question, but did you activate it in the context menu? |
| 06:54.01 | SAS_Spidey01 | Huh ? |
| 06:54.05 | _ZiNg | when i first started learning suse and irc i changed my nick to many times |
| 06:54.23 | SAS_Spidey01 | _ZiNg, that is rediculess |
| 06:54.35 | Sutoka | _ZiNg: goooooooood work pissing off... sPiN? |
| 06:54.55 | _ZiNg | yep........ |
| 06:54.58 | _ZiNg | lol |
| 06:55.05 | Sutoka | really it was sPiN? hahahahahaha |
| 06:55.10 | _ZiNg | yep |
| 06:55.13 | Sutoka | im GOOD |
| 06:55.18 | _ZiNg | y? |
| 06:55.18 | Half-Left | Sho_: in the options? |
| 06:55.31 | Sho_ | Half-Left: In the context menu of the input line |
| 06:55.38 | Sutoka | i guess the op that banned you, and i haven't been to #suse for more than 5 seconds in forever |
| 06:55.38 | _ZiNg | #SLACKWARE |
| 06:55.47 | Half-Left | Sho_: no :p |
| 06:55.57 | Half-Left | Sho_: thanks :) |
| 06:56.00 | Sutoka | _ZiNg: you don't have to say a channel's name to join it, just type: /join #slackware |
| 06:56.18 | _ZiNg | ohh... i did and well i am banned from that one aswelll |
| 06:56.19 | Sho_ | Half-Left: It's the same for any KTextEdit input field |
| 06:56.20 | SAS_Spidey01 | Hey, any one know what the avg size is for a systray icon in KDE is ? |
| 06:56.26 | _ZiNg | i am logged in as ZiNg not root |
| 06:56.33 | Half-Left | Sho_: ahhh, great |
| 06:56.47 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: 22x22? just a guess |
| 06:56.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | I'm going to try coping the icon to my current icon set |
| 06:56.57 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: they should all bet the same |
| 06:57.28 | kelvie | Anyone know how to change the default mixer in KDE? |
| 06:57.35 | SAS_Spidey01 | worth a shot Sutoka, I have no idea how kde handles icons without reading the code |
| 06:57.47 | kelvie | i.e. the default one that gets started when I hit XF86AudioRaiseVolume |
| 06:57.57 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: the systray 'icon' is actually a little window thats embedded in the tray |
| 06:58.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | That much I know, beyond that nada |
| 06:58.31 | Sutoka | kelvie: disable kmilo in kcontrol's service manager (kde componets section) then setup a different one |
| 06:59.01 | Sutoka | s/section/section i think |
| 06:59.15 | kelvie | wow.. there's a service manager :o |
| 06:59.19 | kelvie | very windows-like |
| 06:59.27 | kelvie | Sutoka: but thanks :0 |
| 06:59.38 | Sho_ | (Right, because Windows invented services) |
| 06:59.40 | Sutoka | services have existed in the *nix world longer than the windows world has existed |
| 06:59.58 | kelvie | mm but the service manager |
| 06:59.58 | Sutoka | they're generally referred to as 'daemons' though |
| 07:00.14 | kelvie | anyways.. is there any way I can configure KMilo? |
| 07:00.18 | Sutoka | nope |
| 07:00.22 | kelvie | ah :/ |
| 07:00.24 | SAS_Spidey01 | Hoozah we have icon ! |
| 07:00.24 | Sutoka | kmilo has no configuration best i can tell |
| 07:00.30 | kelvie | amix it is then :/ |
| 07:00.31 | Sutoka | you can only enable or disable it sadly |
| 07:00.38 | Half-Left | Sutoka: http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmaartgh8.png |
| 07:01.02 | Sutoka | Half-Left: very nice |
| 07:01.11 | Half-Left | :) |
| 07:01.34 | Half-Left | Sho_: ^ |
| 07:01.48 | Sutoka | you're pretty good at vector art... or Xara Xtreme is much better than karbon14 lol |
| 07:02.11 | Half-Left | hehe yer |
| 07:02.14 | Sutoka | you might wanna talk to the oxygen team to see what they currently want/need |
| 07:02.21 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Not sure the triangular spots on the glyphs really work |
| 07:02.38 | SAS_Spidey01 | konversation has so many t hings that can be configured, thats why I love it |
| 07:02.43 | kelvie | Oh yeah -- is there a way to have kmix start on startup if ALSA is started? or do I have to script that myself? |
| 07:02.49 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: s/konversation/kde/ :-P |
| 07:02.55 | Half-Left | Sho_: yer, thats something I didnot correct |
| 07:03.02 | SAS_Spidey01 | Hehehe that too Sutoka |
| 07:03.26 | Sho_ | kelvie: Just put a link to KMix into your autostart folder |
| 07:03.42 | Sutoka | kelvie: you can have kmix alway start up, though you would have to make a script to check manually if you don't always have alsa loaded... not sure why you would wanna do that though |
| 07:03.43 | kelvie | sigh... I have an autostart directory? |
| 07:03.52 | Sho_ | kelvie: Go -> Autostart in Konqueror |
| 07:04.07 | hagabaka | when I use Konqueror to upload a directory to FTP, it sometimes skips some directories and never gives a warning |
| 07:04.08 | kelvie | I think I'll just put a line in my .xinitrc |
| 07:04.28 | kelvie | Sutoka: hehe, during class, it's generally a better idea to not have alsa on :o |
| 07:04.45 | kelvie | Sutoka: it's not started by my boot scripts :o |
| 07:04.49 | Sutoka | kelvie: thats why you turn down the sound during class... or get headphones |
| 07:05.16 | kelvie | Sutoka: mm.. it's very easy to forget -- until you get an IM |
| 07:05.18 | Sutoka | Sho_: sounds too similar to 'Start Up' in windows? o.O |
| 07:05.37 | kelvie | it's confusing to have half my startups in a separate directory, and the other half in a script :o |
| 07:05.40 | Sutoka | kelvie: mute sounds in your IM app then |
| 07:05.54 | Sutoka | or don't use a computer during class :-D |
| 07:05.56 | Sho_ | Sutoka: Stupid windowsphobia ;) |
| 07:06.07 | kelvie | Sutoka: lol.. at the end of the day it's just easier to manually start up alsa when I need sound :) |
| 07:06.22 | kelvie | kmixer is funky sometimes, however |
| 07:06.43 | Sutoka | kelvie: you could have the master channel muted by default, so that way you only have to raise that channel when you want sound |
| 07:06.46 | SAS_Spidey01 | Now if only I had a sticker to cover up this designed for winxp/vista capable sticker |
| 07:06.57 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: use your finger nails |
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| 07:07.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | that said "Powered by FreeBSD, BeaSDie inside" |
| 07:07.09 | *** part/#kde neopc (n=neopc@200.216.5.143) |
| 07:07.17 | kelvie | Sutoka: I've had bad experiences with trying to get mixers to actually mute ALSA when it starts up :x |
| 07:07.20 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: i was able to get one of my old laptop, as well as the 'intel radiator inside' |
| 07:07.28 | SAS_Spidey01 | after all, my laptop runs only PC-BSD |
| 07:07.38 | SAS_Spidey01 | lol Sutoka |
| 07:07.56 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: my laptop only runs Linux... but i have a windows, intel, AND dell logos on it! |
| 07:08.08 | SAS_Spidey01 | owch |
| 07:08.18 | Sutoka | i wish dell had never bought alienware... its much funnier to stick alienware stickers on dell computers before that |
| 07:08.33 | kelvie | well thanks for the help guys :) |
| 07:08.37 | Sutoka | i don't like alienware (WAAAAY overpriced) but i had like 50 billion alienware stickers |
| 07:08.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | I've got windows, ati, amd, and a bigg Gateway/ATI sticker |
| 07:09.22 | SAS_Spidey01 | Mm, /exec google ? |
| 07:10.50 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: on my desktop machine i have AMD x2, nvidia gforce fx, NVIDIA (2 that just say that), CORSAIR), ATARI, ripped ati sticker, Hercules (a video card from like 97 lol), a GIANT nvidia sticker on the side, a large ATI one with an 'nvidia' sticker covering the 'ati' logo, and an alienware sticker, and on the other side a 'bawls' sticker... i wonder if i have too many? |
| 07:11.19 | dbglt | Sho_: congrats. |
| 07:11.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | Sheeeeeeeeesh Sutoka thats crazy |
| 07:11.23 | dbglt | stickers are horridly tacky :p |
| 07:11.48 | Sho_ | dbglt: Agreed |
| 07:12.07 | Sutoka | either go none, or go waaaayyyy ridiculously too many |
| 07:12.07 | dbglt | and! Baghira window decorations with lipstik theme, looks good :p |
| 07:12.08 | Sho_ | dbglt: OTOH I wouldn't mind a KDE sticker in that little square sticker recess on the front of my PC chassis |
| 07:12.26 | SAS_Spidey01 | oh crap, Konversation has a Google Search Script !!!! |
| 07:12.37 | Sutoka | oh wait, theres a second GIANT nvidia sticker on the top of the case as well lol |
| 07:12.42 | Sutoka | SAS_Spidey01: yes... |
| 07:13.20 | Sutoka | i have enough stickers that i could litterally cover the case so that there was no case showing |
| 07:13.20 | SAS_Spidey01 | I've got to install the perl SOAP::Lite module, this is awesome |
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| 07:15.19 | Sutoka | wow its too late... im off to sleep now i guess! |
| 07:15.31 | SAS_Spidey01 | good night Sutoka |
| 07:15.32 | Sutoka | oh yeah the new oxygen artwork for the kdegames looks GREAT |
| 07:17.02 | Half-Left | Sho_: The triangular spots are because the bevel is too inward, easy to correct |
| 07:18.10 | Sho_ | I'm sure |
| 07:18.57 | SAS_Spidey01 | now where to ether stick a xclock, clock applet, or find a kde based clock to replace gkrellm2s clock |
| 07:20.00 | Half-Left | SAS_Spidey01: superkaramba has one |
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| 07:27.00 | SAS_Spidey01 | rofl theres even a superkaramba theme to control amarok with a iPod style |
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| 07:32.18 | Sho_ | moin cuco |
| 07:32.25 | cuco | hi Sho_ |
| 07:32.44 | cuco | what are you doing up so early...? |
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| 07:32.57 | Sho_ | cuco: I'm told one of the Hebrew Kubuntu developers is in love with Konvi's rtl support now |
| 07:33.12 | cuco | cool. who is he? |
| 07:33.33 | Sho_ | cuco: Still up :/. Couldn't sleep. |
| 07:33.54 | cuco | Sho_: i am not happy, it fails on me several times :) |
| 07:34.07 | Sho_ | cuco: sivang iirc |
| 07:34.47 | Half-Left | night all |
| 07:34.52 | markey | gn |
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| 07:36.24 | tyler-wylie | When messing around with KDE sessions right now it starts 3 urxvt's that I use one for ncmpc, one for top and one for irssi, is there a way to set it up so that I don't have to start the individual programs in each terminal everytime I log on? |
| 07:36.54 | markey | woot, seems like I finally fixed my irssi memleak problems |
| 07:36.59 | markey | this has been bugging me for years |
| 07:37.05 | markey | the "openurl" script was to blame |
| 07:37.08 | markey | leaked like hell |
| 07:37.37 | Sho_ | (note: the only slightly legitimate way to run irssi is inside a Konsole tab in Konversation) |
| 07:37.50 | markey | scripts shouldn't be a able to cause a client to leak :S |
| 07:38.19 | SAS_Spidey01 | konsole tab in konversation? |
| 07:38.29 | markey | heh Sho_ |
| 07:38.37 | Sho_ | SAS_Spidey01: Window -> New Konsole |
| 07:39.15 | SAS_Spidey01 | For the love of, features pop out of every corner with this client |
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| 07:42.36 | cuco | Sho_: do you know where can i find sivang...? |
| 07:43.20 | Sho_ | cuco: /whois sivang seems like a good bet ;) |
| 07:44.11 | ecastro | Is there any idea when the new features and look and feel of kde4 are going to start showing up? I mean... is there going to be much more Technical Previews or the next release is going to be a Beta? |
| 07:44.31 | markey | beta is still ways off |
| 07:44.47 | Sho_ | ecastro: In summer I'd say |
| 07:45.14 | markey | Sho_: have you started to port konvi yet? |
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| 07:45.29 | ecastro | Sho_: Northen summer? You mean in six months more or less? |
| 07:45.54 | Sho_ | markey: Yes and no ... I have written a Qt4-only prototype client that I'm demoing things with for the eventual actual rewrite/port |
| 07:46.18 | Sho_ | ecastro: Yup |
| 07:46.29 | markey | same for us, more or less. prototype KDE4 port exists, but it has little value |
| 07:47.08 | markey | on another note: should we try to get real composite transparency for the OSD? |
| 07:47.14 | markey | I wonder how feasible it is with Qt3 |
| 07:47.33 | markey | probably not very |
| 07:47.44 | Sho_ | markey: We really want to take the opportunity to fix the architecture rather than do a half-assed port ... |
| 07:47.56 | Sho_ | markey: Hm well, doing COMPOSITE with Qt3 isn't much fun |
| 07:48.16 | Sho_ | markey: I remember the hackish tries with Konsole that are #if 0'ed out even today ;) |
| 07:48.20 | markey | the fake transparency is a bit behind the times |
| 07:48.24 | markey | yeah.. |
| 07:49.34 | Sho_ | In Qt4 it should be a matter of requesting an ARGB visual and setting the widget translucency |
| 07:49.40 | Sho_ | That ought to be more fun ;) |
| 07:49.50 | markey | yes, with Qt4: piece of cake |
| 07:50.28 | markey | still I might try to do it, it's a nice challenge |
| 07:50.35 | SAS_Spidey01 | awww wmclockmon won't use the systray |
| 07:51.07 | Sho_ | Hm keep me posted ... I wanted to sync the OSD code with Amarok some time anyway, iirc it was a little smarter with Xinerama |
| 07:51.23 | Sho_ | We really should get that into KNotify with KDE4 .. |
| 07:52.03 | SAS_Spidey01 | aww well, kill the border and stick it over gkrellm :D |
| 07:52.08 | markey | yeah, prolly |
| 07:52.22 | markey | but then we must implement something else for amarok ;) |
| 07:52.30 | Sho_ | groan ;-) |
| 07:52.36 | markey | how boring would it be if so many apps have the same iCandy ;) |
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| 07:55.04 | Q-collective | is it possible with konq to have decent session support? |
| 07:55.14 | Q-collective | like in opera |
| 07:55.38 | Sho_ | That question was about as diplomatically phrased as "Have you stopped beating your wife?" ;) |
| 07:56.16 | markey | Q-collective: I don't think it can do it |
| 07:56.19 | markey | not as nicely as opera |
| 07:56.27 | Q-collective | oh :( |
| 07:56.37 | markey | with opera, it's perfection |
| 07:56.45 | Q-collective | Sho_: meh :p |
| 07:56.49 | markey | I can kill my opera, restart it, and it's in the exact same state |
| 07:56.52 | Sho_ | IIRC it was possible to save multiple tabs into one bookmark somehow, and then open all pages by opening the bookmark |
| 07:56.56 | markey | even undo/redo is remembered |
| 07:57.00 | Q-collective | markey: yeah, opera++ |
| 07:57.04 | markey | opera++ |
| 07:57.18 | Sho_ | And aside from that, Konq's profile management has the option to store the URLs in the profile |
| 07:57.23 | markey | in fact I have to kill it all the time currently, due to flash9 bugs |
| 07:57.25 | markey | keeps freezing a lot |
| 07:57.28 | Q-collective | that and the ctrl-z feature would make konq a kickass browser |
| 07:57.31 | Q-collective | ahem :) |
| 07:57.35 | Sho_ | So it may be a bit cludgey, but there are ways to deal with sets of tabs |
| 07:57.37 | markey | but kill/start takes like 2 seconds :) |
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| 08:03.54 | *** topic/#kde is KDE is 10 years old now | KDE 3.5.5 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! |
| 08:05.02 | Sho_ | Giving Konqueror a good once-over and properly seperating manager and browser is actually what I look most forward to in KDE4, myself ... |
| 08:06.27 | Q-collective | well, I would like proper profile handling myself, not really seperated apps |
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| 08:52.40 | DeadTreeHugger | hi, would like to find out if there's any way for me to auto-open my kwallet upon logging into KDE? |
| 08:53.17 | DeadTreeHugger | getting pretty tired of having to authenticate twice every time i log in (at the KDM prompt n kwallet) |
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| 09:02.29 | padde | DeadTreeHugger: yes, you can set no password for kwallet |
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| 09:02.36 | padde | DeadTreeHugger: at your own risk, of course |
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| 09:12.58 | DeadTreeHugger | padde: how wld i set no password for kwallet? i've looked into KControlCenter's options for Kwallet but there's no button/field to change any password to open the wallet |
| 09:13.44 | Sho_ | KMenu -> Settings -> Wallet Management Tool |
| 09:14.24 | padde | DeadTreeHugger: in the wallet management tool you click right on the wallet that you want to have the password changed for and click change password |
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| 09:16.22 | DeadTreeHugger | padde, Sho: thanks... seems that Wallet Management Tool isn't popping up anything when I click on the icon |
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| 09:16.42 | Sho_ | DeadTreeHugger: Right-click it .. |
| 09:19.16 | DeadTreeHugger | can i just confirm something first: right now on my system tray is a KWallet icon... am i able to bring up the Wallet Management Tool from here by right clicking on it and selecting "Configure Wallet"? |
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| 09:19.33 | DeadTreeHugger | because, nothing seems to happen when I click on the Wallet Management Tool icon in KMenu |
| 09:20.11 | Sho_ | After clicking it in KMenu, the "KDE Wallet Manager" window should appear |
| 09:20.24 | DeadTreeHugger | hmm... nothing happens in this case... |
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| 09:20.30 | WinRocks | hellllooooo kde |
| 09:20.38 | Sho_ | ah, unless it's configured to go into the tray |
| 09:20.53 | Sho_ | DeadTreeHugger: left-click the tray icon to open the wallet manager window, right-click the appropriate wallet |
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| 09:22.30 | DeadTreeHugger | ahhhh... ok i figured it out... i need to click on the "Restore" menu entry on the system tray icon instead of "Configure wallet" |
| 09:22.45 | Sho_ | DeadTreeHugger: Or you could just left-click the icon |
| 09:23.16 | WinRocks | Windows rocks :) |
| 09:23.39 | Sho_ | sigh, not again |
| 09:23.42 | *** mode/#kde [+o Sho_] by ChanServ |
| 09:23.54 | *** mode/#kde [-b *!userxp@*.afnet.net] by Sho_ |
| 09:23.54 | *** mode/#kde [+b *!userxp@*] by Sho_ |
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| 09:24.05 | *** mode/#kde [-o Sho_] by Sho_ |
| 09:24.17 | DeadTreeHugger | yeah... NOW i realized that left clicking works too... sorry, i usually right click on any system tray icon most of the time... |
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| 09:24.44 | Electrolyte | Don't people realise each OS has it's own advantage? |
| 09:24.45 | WinRocks | lol |
| 09:24.45 | WinRocks | Windows rocks |
| 09:25.01 | DeadTreeHugger | thank you Sho, padde!! :) |
| 09:25.37 | WinRocks | Windows does games and drm and nice cd burning(Nero,EasyCD) , Linux not :) |
| 09:25.45 | Electrolyte | CD Burning works fine here. |
| 09:25.48 | DeadTreeHugger | i'm gonna log out n log in again to test this out... |
| 09:25.55 | Electrolyte | Games - UT2004 plays flawlessly, and that's all I care about. |
| 09:26.19 | WinRocks | lol |
| 09:26.20 | Sho_ | Electrolyte: Just don't bother ... he's been kicked multiple times for spamming with porn links and what not |
| 09:26.21 | WinRocks | one game |
| 09:26.28 | Electrolyte | Heh, I know :) |
| 09:26.29 | WinRocks | Windows does 10000 games |
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| 09:26.34 | WinRocks | and UT :) too |
| 09:26.35 | *** mode/#kde [+b WinRocks!*@*] by Sho_ |
| 09:26.35 | *** kick/#kde [WinRocks!i=ehs1@konversation/developer/hein] by Sho_ (Sho_) |
| 09:26.38 | Electrolyte | Lmao. |
| 09:26.43 | Electrolyte | What an idiot :) |
| 09:27.05 | Electrolyte | Windows fan boys are so funny :D |
| 09:27.30 | *** mode/#kde [-b *!userxp@*] by Sho_ |
| 09:27.30 | *** mode/#kde [+b *!*userxp@*] by Sho_ |
| 09:27.39 | Sho_ | Hopefully that will stick :) |
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| 09:33.48 | markey | meh |
| 09:35.27 | roxy_ | Electrolyte: what is UT2004 ? |
| 09:35.36 | Electrolyte | Unreal Tournament 2004. |
| 09:35.50 | Sho_ | A multiplayer-oriented first person shooter game |
| 09:35.59 | Desintegr | it's and idiot |
| 09:36.13 | Desintegr | UT2004 works both with Windows _and_ Linux |
| 09:36.14 | roxy_ | I don't have it in my KDE->game menu |
| 09:36.24 | Electrolyte | It's not free :) |
| 09:36.27 | Desintegr | roxy_: commercial game |
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| 09:36.33 | roxy_ | that does explain :-) |
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| 09:36.52 | Electrolyte | Savage 2 and UT2007 are being ported to Linux too. |
| 09:38.33 | roxy_ | how much does it cost ? |
| 09:38.49 | Desintegr | UT2004 ? |
| 09:38.59 | Desintegr | or 2007 ? |
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| 09:39.16 | Electrolyte | 2007. |
| 09:39.25 | Desintegr | not released |
| 09:39.32 | Electrolyte | I know.... |
| 09:39.36 | Electrolyte | It's being ported though. |
| 09:39.36 | roxy_ | UT2004, the latest for linux |
| 09:39.43 | Desintegr | ~50/60¤ |
| 09:39.51 | Electrolyte | The unreal 3 engine wasn't designed to be multi-platform for nothing. |
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| 09:40.14 | roxy_ | Electrolyte: what hardware do you need to play properly ? |
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| 09:40.21 | Electrolyte | For UT2004? |
| 09:40.25 | roxy_ | yes |
| 09:40.43 | Electrolyte | Well, pretty much any AMD 64 CPU and a GeForce 6600. |
| 09:40.55 | Electrolyte | I don't recommend any ATI card. |
| 09:40.59 | Sho_ | roxy_: http://www.unrealtournament.com/ut2004/specs.html |
| 09:40.59 | markey | Core2Duo will be fine as well ;) |
| 09:41.00 | rabauke | Does anyone else experience re-produceable crashes after using the kaffeine-plugin in koqnueror? |
| 09:41.03 | Electrolyte | My X850XT acts pants due to poor drivers. |
| 09:41.08 | Desintegr | rabauke: me |
| 09:41.15 | Electrolyte | Sho_: Forget about those specs. |
| 09:41.17 | Electrolyte | They are badly wrong. |
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| 09:41.26 | Sho_ | rabauke: Note that KHTML developers generally don't accept crash reports anymore if Kaffeine is installed |
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| 09:41.33 | markey | heh |
| 09:41.35 | Sho_ | rabauke: The Kaffeine kpart is notorious for crashing Konqueror |
| 09:41.47 | markey | kaffeine... |
| 09:41.50 | markey | now we have codeine |
| 09:41.56 | markey | better than kaffeine in all regards |
| 09:41.57 | rabauke | I would file this against kaffeine anyway |
| 09:41.59 | markey | it just works :) |
| 09:42.03 | Sho_ | rabauke: And even regardless of the crashing it sucks; unlike the KMplayer kpart, it doesn't support any player scripting |
| 09:42.03 | Electrolyte | I didn't know kaffiene was so bad for Konqueror. |
| 09:42.29 | rabauke | I see |
| 09:43.17 | markey | http://www.methylblue.com/codeine/index.php |
| 09:43.19 | markey | ^^ |
| 09:43.40 | Sho_ | Codeine has this one annoying bug that keeps me from using it that I need to fix some time |
| 09:43.47 | rabauke | So which is the best choice in order to replace kaffeine? I need DVD, (S)VCD, konqueror-plugin |
| 09:43.51 | markey | which is? |
| 09:43.59 | Sho_ | If you put the toolbar at the bottom, the volume slider popup is cut off by the window boundary as it won't paint outside it |
| 09:44.15 | markey | oh well, just tell it to mxcl |
| 09:44.24 | Sho_ | In fullscreen mode, the popup is completely useless as it paints outside of the screen |
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| 09:45.05 | XVampireX | rabauke: kmplayer |
| 09:45.19 | Sho_ | rabauke: For the browser plugin, go with KMPlayer; it's probably the most advanced browser video plugin available for the Linux/Unix platform at this time |
| 09:45.19 | markey | kmplayer has a crappy GUI as well, imho |
| 09:45.47 | rabauke | XVampireX: the problem for me is, that if I use mplayer, RealPlayer cannot use XVideo anymore, because it seems that mplayer blocks it, even after I closed it. |
| 09:45.59 | Sho_ | rabauke: KMPlayer can use xinelib as well |
| 09:46.05 | XVampireX | yup |
| 09:46.10 | rabauke | ah, ok, nice |
| 09:46.27 | XVampireX | It can use mplayer/xine/gstreamer |
| 09:46.36 | XVampireX | and the konqueror plugin just rocks |
| 09:46.51 | Sho_ | rabauke: What makes the KMplayer kpart superior, aside from not crashing Konqueror, is that it implements the scripting APIs of various proprietary players, etc. |
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| 09:47.02 | Slack4020 | Renze: you up ? |
| 09:47.43 | unsrat1112 | manado |
| 09:47.44 | XVampireX | Sho_: and the fact that it embeds the player so well |
| 09:47.54 | rabauke | I'll try kmplayer and codeine. From a brief look at it, codeine seems to be something to support, be it only by testing and submitting bugs. |
| 09:47.59 | rabauke | if there are any ;) |
| 09:48.11 | Sho_ | rabauke: Codeine doesn't have a browser kpart though, afaik |
| 09:48.16 | Slack4020 | im watching a 700 MB xvid file of a pixar film i would swear it was a DVD if i didnt know any better |
| 09:48.27 | Sho_ | (Codeine doesn't have much of anything, which is sort of the point, I suppose) |
| 09:48.29 | XVampireX | Slack4020: Cars? |
| 09:48.32 | unsrat1112 | drbl |
| 09:48.37 | Slack4020 | XVampireX: A Bugs Life :) |
| 09:48.41 | XVampireX | Ah |
| 09:48.48 | Slack4020 | their first film |
| 09:49.02 | XVampireX | Slack4020: There are some great groups that do perfect quality rips |
| 09:49.09 | Slack4020 | i just cnat belive it a 700 mb VCD totally sucks |
| 09:49.12 | XVampireX | aXXo to mention one |
| 09:49.22 | Slack4020 | dude its amazing |
| 09:49.33 | Slack4020 | << hugs my new toshiba dvd/divx6 player |
| 09:49.49 | rabauke | Sho_: That does not matter, I#ll use kmplayer fo rthat then |
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| 09:50.03 | Sho_ | rabauke: yup |
| 09:50.09 | rabauke | One "important" thing. Can I double-click kmplayer to make it fullscreen? |
| 09:50.15 | XVampireX | Yes |
| 09:50.21 | Slack4020 | XVampireX: i dont know why the yare all around 700 mb though |
| 09:50.23 | rabauke | very well |
| 09:50.40 | XVampireX | Slack4020: You talking about the same group I mentioned? |
| 09:50.56 | Slack4020 | XVampireX: no i just downloaded any torrent i could find :) |
| 09:51.00 | Sho_ | rabauke: Depends on the engine used ... with xinelib yes, mplayer no |
| 09:51.04 | XVampireX | What group is it then? |
| 09:51.11 | Slack4020 | XVampireX: im more into older movies the 90's |
| 09:51.14 | XVampireX | Other groups like Diamond make good quality |
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| 09:51.20 | Sho_ | XVampireX, Slack4020: Please move the warez group discussion somewhere else |
| 09:51.27 | Slack4020 | i own the movies |
| 09:51.29 | Slack4020 | ++++++++++++++++++ |
| 09:51.31 | Slack4020 | PWNED |
| 09:51.42 | XVampireX | Haha |
| 09:51.51 | Slack4020 | laserdisc and DVD |
| 09:51.51 | XVampireX | Well |
| 09:51.54 | Slack4020 | Double PWNED |
| 09:51.58 | XVampireX | We're not talking about illegal things |
| 09:52.03 | XVampireX | Just groups |
| 09:52.10 | Sho_ | And they're off-topic here anyway |
| 09:52.20 | Slack4020 | Sho_: when is anything ever on topic lol |
| 09:52.20 | Sho_ | Nothing you can't discuss in a query |
| 09:52.31 | XVampireX | Sometimes |
| 09:52.34 | Slack4020 | your just mad cause you have a slow connection |
| 09:52.53 | XVampireX | Slack4020: what bit torrent client? |
| 09:53.00 | Slack4020 | can i pm you ? |
| 09:53.04 | XVampireX | Ok |
| 09:53.07 | Slack4020 | ok |
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| 10:04.03 | rabauke | any kmail user ever used evolution's new widescreen view? |
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| 10:11.59 | XVampireX | kdissert is a nice program |
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| 10:18.02 | Sho_ | Would be nicer with some anti-aliasing |
| 10:18.12 | rabauke | where can I set kmplayer to start the video automatically, if used as plug-in? |
| 10:18.56 | XVampireX | rabauke: it should do that.... |
| 10:19.16 | rabauke | XVampireX: Maybe after the next KDE-restart |
| 10:19.40 | XVampireX | rabauke: Don't think so |
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| 10:27.21 | Slack4020 | how close to DVR record to the original quality ? |
| 10:28.29 | thiago | what is the original quality? What settings did the DVR record on? |
| 10:28.56 | Slack4020 | not sure |
| 10:28.58 | Slack4020 | just in general |
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| 10:29.24 | Slack4020 | like a tv show on tv ...... you use your tivo to record it how close is it to what was actually braodcasted |
| 10:29.38 | thiago | Slack4020: well, answer my two questions first and then we'll talk |
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| 10:30.05 | Slack4020 | i dont know man |
| 10:30.13 | thiago | then I can't answer |
| 10:30.13 | Slack4020 | i dont think you can actually set anything |
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| 10:30.20 | Slack4020 | in a tivo |
| 10:30.26 | thiago | that doesn't mean there aren't settings |
| 10:31.06 | Slack4020 | i dont own one |
| 10:31.09 | thiago | the answer can be from "exactly alike" to "a lot worse" |
| 10:31.11 | thiago | neither do I |
| 10:31.12 | Slack4020 | i was just wondering |
| 10:31.18 | Sho_ | .oO (Boggles the mind of any KDE user -- what, do you mean, *no settings*? :) |
| 10:31.25 | thiago | I can tell you that Kaffeine can produce perfect copies of DVB streams |
| 10:31.37 | Slack4020 | DVB? |
| 10:31.41 | thiago | aye |
| 10:31.46 | thiago | Digital Video Broadcast |
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| 10:32.05 | thiago | you know, the digital TV standard used everywhere in the world but a few countries |
| 10:32.08 | Slack4020 | exact? video / sound ? |
| 10:32.13 | thiago | exact |
| 10:32.21 | Slack4020 | how do you capture it ? |
| 10:32.26 | thiago | using a DVB tuner |
| 10:32.33 | Sho_ | Slack4020: DVB broadcasts digital video and sound streams, so basically you can just save those to disk as they come on |
| 10:32.36 | Slack4020 | how much do they cost ? |
| 10:32.43 | Sho_ | s/on/in/ |
| 10:33.05 | Slack4020 | work just as good as a pci one or something ? |
| 10:33.17 | thiago | maybe, I don't know |
| 10:33.19 | Desintegr | I have a PCI card DVB-T tuner for 50¤ :) |
| 10:33.28 | thiago | mine's a hybrid one |
| 10:33.38 | Desintegr | mine too |
| 10:33.38 | thiago | i.e., it can tune analog too |
| 10:33.45 | Desintegr | but analog tuning is broken for me |
| 10:33.50 | thiago | same here |
| 10:33.51 | Desintegr | (in kernel 2.6.18) |
| 10:33.54 | thiago | it can't tune SECAM |
| 10:33.57 | Desintegr | module cx88 ? |
| 10:34.05 | thiago | no, em28xx |
| 10:34.10 | Desintegr | strange |
| 10:34.20 | Slack4020 | thiago: so the cable goes from inside house to cable box then to your tv tuner ? |
| 10:34.48 | thiago | Slack4020: it goes from my tuner to the wall socket, then to the external antenna |
| 10:35.08 | Slack4020 | hmmmmmm |
| 10:35.14 | Slack4020 | do you use cable boxes? |
| 10:35.18 | thiago | no |
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| 10:35.36 | Slack4020 | for yuour tv's ? |
| 10:35.36 | thiago | this is aerial, open transmission |
| 10:35.36 | thiago | no |
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| 10:35.36 | Slack4020 | aerial |
| 10:35.38 | Slack4020 | wtf |
| 10:35.39 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 10:35.46 | Slack4020 | is that even digital ? |
| 10:35.49 | thiago | yes |
| 10:35.58 | thiago | DVB-T |
| 10:36.01 | Slack4020 | do you have a perfect transmission |
| 10:36.10 | thiago | D as in Digital, T as in Terrestrial |
| 10:36.17 | Slack4020 | also where do you live ? |
| 10:36.21 | thiago | yes, as long as SNR isn't too low |
| 10:36.21 | thiago | Paris |
| 10:36.34 | Slack4020 | no one use areils around here no more lol |
| 10:36.48 | thiago | yeah, I have "cable" too |
| 10:36.54 | thiago | but I don't use my USB tuner for that |
| 10:37.07 | thiago | "cable" in quotes because it's actually ADSL |
| 10:37.22 | Slack4020 | hmmm i see |
| 10:37.58 | thiago | for that, I use a set-top box that decodes, but since it only outputs analog stream via a SCART connector, I plug it directly to the TV |
| 10:38.12 | Slack4020 | so if i was to use cable and plug it in my thing here i could save an exactl quality match ? |
| 10:38.32 | thiago | does your thing there output unencrypted digital stream? |
| 10:38.41 | Slack4020 | i dont know |
| 10:38.44 | Slack4020 | i use a cable box |
| 10:38.54 | thiago | does it have a digital output? |
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| 10:38.58 | mactek | j #qt |
| 10:39.08 | Slack4020 | huh? |
| 10:39.12 | Slack4020 | on my cable decoder? |
| 10:39.13 | mactek | heheh |
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| 10:39.21 | thiago | Slack4020: yes |
| 10:39.21 | mactek | I am slashless cuz |
| 10:39.25 | Slack4020 | yes of ocurse |
| 10:39.27 | mactek | :) |
| 10:39.48 | thiago | Slack4020: is that an MPEG output? |
| 10:39.53 | Slack4020 | not sure |
| 10:40.00 | Slack4020 | which input ? |
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| 10:40.29 | thiago | Slack4020: you can only get perfect quality if you either a) save the compressed MPEG to disk or b) save the uncompressed digital stream to disk |
| 10:40.57 | thiago | if you recompress (MPEG->uncompressed->MPEG), you lose quality |
| 10:41.08 | Slack4020 | hmmmmm |
| 10:41.15 | Slack4020 | anyway to compress it to mpeg4/divx ? |
| 10:41.21 | Slack4020 | where i wont loose quality |
| 10:41.22 | thiago | you lose quality |
| 10:41.24 | thiago | but, yeah |
| 10:41.27 | thiago | no |
| 10:41.31 | thiago | compress = lose quality |
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| 10:41.34 | thiago | always |
| 10:41.45 | Slack4020 | what is the thing outputed as ? |
| 10:41.47 | Slack4020 | mpeg2? |
| 10:41.50 | thiago | you tell me |
| 10:41.53 | Slack4020 | what do stations braodcast it in |
| 10:41.55 | Slack4020 | i dont know |
| 10:42.02 | Sho_ | dvb-t uses mpeg2 streams |
| 10:42.02 | thiago | DVB (-S, -T and -C) use MPEG-2 |
| 10:42.23 | Slack4020 | GRRRRR |
| 10:42.30 | Slack4020 | mpeg 2 sucks |
| 10:42.35 | Slack4020 | mpeg4 :P |
| 10:42.38 | thiago | Slack4020: do DVDs suck? |
| 10:42.45 | Slack4020 | the size of them yes |
| 10:42.55 | thiago | ah, you mean size |
| 10:42.59 | Sho_ | hard disks are cheap |
| 10:43.02 | Slack4020 | where as in with a xvid movie i can have pretty mych the same quality in 3 times as less |
| 10:43.07 | thiago | well, too bad. Everyone is using MPEG-2 to broadcast |
| 10:43.14 | thiago | MPEG-4 is used only on the Internet. |
| 10:43.48 | thiago | Slack4020: that's human-perceived quality. It isn't the exact same frame. |
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| 10:44.02 | thiago | the definition of "good enough" varies from person to person. |
| 10:44.10 | Slack4020 | thiago: only when humans can tell a difference do i care :) |
| 10:44.35 | Slack4020 | thiago: a 1.4 GB xvid movie of aladdin looks absolutely astounding |
| 10:44.51 | Slack4020 | sharp crisp .......ansolutely fantastic |
| 10:45.11 | thiago | have you watched it in a really large screen? |
| 10:45.13 | Slack4020 | *looks close and can find no pixellation |
| 10:45.19 | thiago | as in High Definition? |
| 10:45.21 | Slack4020 | nope |
| 10:45.41 | thiago | you may see defects then |
| 10:45.56 | thiago | my point is: quality is as good as the medium and the eye |
| 10:46.03 | Slack4020 | i understand |
| 10:46.06 | Slack4020 | same goes for mpeg2 |
| 10:46.12 | thiago | some people see more than others, some projectors perform better than others |
| 10:46.21 | thiago | yes, of course, MPEG-2 is still a compromise. |
| 10:46.41 | Slack4020 | i got a 55inch widescreen and a 25 inch tc |
| 10:46.53 | Slack4020 | i mostly watch everything on the 25 inch |
| 10:46.59 | Slack4020 | movies etc |
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| 10:47.14 | thiago | but, I must point out, that it is theoretically possible to create a same-quality MPEG-4 stream from an MPEG-2 one but with a smaller bitrate |
| 10:47.19 | thiago | theoretically |
| 10:47.50 | Slack4020 | i just like the size compression |
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| 10:48.47 | Slack4020 | all im saying when i download a few movies here and there usually ones i already own ........dvd to xvid if its a nice size xvid i cant tell a different |
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| 10:51.23 | Slack4020 | thiago_: what do you think is a good size for a perfect quality dvd rips ? |
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| 12:26.22 | koala_man | how do I open a file with its associated program from a script, like windows' "start file" or os x's "open file"? |
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| 12:28.24 | annma | in .kde/Autostart, koala_man |
| 12:28.42 | annma | hmm, just open or open at start? |
| 12:28.47 | koala_man | just open |
| 12:28.58 | jloup | kkfmclient exec filename |
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| 12:29.13 | annma | kfmclient |
| 12:29.17 | annma | 1 k only |
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| 12:47.32 | darren3m | Not sure if anyone in here would be able to enlighten me, I'm looking to replace Origin (commercial graphing software). Is there anything that anyone uses in Linux that compares? I've got a license for Matlab R14 - but i just don't find the graphs up to par for publication |
| 12:48.22 | annma | no idea what orogin is |
| 12:48.35 | annma | what sort of things do you want to do? |
| 12:49.05 | annma | scientists use grass ans scilab (use google to check those) |
| 12:49.24 | darren3m | graph of X/Y data - 3D graphing would be a big plus. Fitting also for linear, polynomial, log, exp and that jazz |
| 12:49.29 | annma | we have data plotting software as well |
| 12:50.08 | annma | kst I think is called th edata plotting but it's for data, not for math |
| 12:50.49 | darren3m | can it output to EPS? |
| 12:51.17 | annma | no idea, you have to look at the doc yourself |
| 12:51.56 | darren3m | aight |
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| 12:52.50 | annma | there is no free matlab replacement as such |
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| 12:53.22 | pinotree | annma: there's octave |
| 12:53.33 | annma | yes, octave |
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| 12:54.39 | annma | there are quite a lot of specialized apps |
| 12:55.15 | feindbild | darren3m: http://kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=280 |
| 12:55.49 | feindbild | darren3m: Kst might be of interrest to you .... |
| 12:55.58 | darren3m | well i own matlab - so i'm fine with that. It's just the the plots and exported eps's are ugly :P Taking a look at it now |
| 12:56.08 | annma | feindbild: I already mentionned Kst |
| 12:56.10 | feindbild | darren3m: there are some 3D graphers if I remember correctly =) |
| 12:56.19 | feindbild | annma: sorry =) |
| 12:56.35 | annma | Kst is very advanced |
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| 12:58.20 | cris | hi all |
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| 12:59.48 | Slack4020 | wow some people are so un edcated these days |
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| 13:02.05 | Ci-Dev | Hello. Where are the links in the quick launch bar stored? What path is it? |
| 13:03.26 | feindbild | Ci-Dev: ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/ probably =) |
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| 13:04.03 | hkBst | how do you view the ban list with konversation? /ban seems not to be enough |
| 13:04.18 | Slack4020 | ./ban |
| 13:05.31 | Ci-Dev | feindbild: Ahh, kicker... a quick find told me: ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc -- Thanks! |
| 13:06.03 | hkBst | Slack4020: that isn't even a command |
| 13:06.25 | Slack4020 | i was trying it mysef lto figure it out ;) |
| 13:06.48 | hkBst | Slack4020: lol, yeah I just tried it too :) |
| 13:06.54 | Slack4020 | ") lol |
| 13:07.01 | Ci-Dev | The IRC command would be "/mode #channel b" |
| 13:07.14 | Ci-Dev | Not sure what that one is mapped to in Konversation. |
| 13:07.24 | skiidoo | +b |
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| 13:07.35 | Ci-Dev | +b sets bans, -b removes then, b lists them. |
| 13:08.33 | skiidoo | I admit I never tried Konversation, but from IRC itself, "/mode #chan +b" lists the chan bans |
| 13:09.33 | skiidoo | And if it doesn't work with Konversation, then I won't give it a try ;) |
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| 13:10.58 | hkBst | yeah "/mode #<channel> +b" worked. Serious flooding :( |
| 13:14.17 | Ci-Dev | You can save the "+" by using "b" only. |
| 13:14.21 | Ci-Dev | But never mind. |
| 13:15.00 | Ci-Dev | I wasn't aware that people in here are that busy typers. :p |
| 13:16.03 | skiidoo | I just prefer the RFC compliant ways :) |
| 13:16.15 | skiidoo | You never know how BorkedIRCd would react to non standard commands |
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| 13:18.32 | Kristian | Hey! Where do I find the Fedora help forum? |
| 13:19.03 | annma | probably from fedora website |
| 13:19.31 | annma | here is KDE support channel |
| 13:19.40 | Kristian | What is KDE? |
| 13:19.46 | err0r^ | kde.org |
| 13:19.52 | Ci-Dev | skiidoo: RFC really says "+b"? there? |
| 13:20.11 | annma | Kristian: why did you come here then? |
| 13:20.18 | skiidoo | I didn't checked against teh RFC document, right ^^ |
| 13:20.23 | Ci-Dev | At least on freenode, everything works: /mode #kde (-b|+b|b) |
| 13:20.51 | Kristian | I've just installed Konversation, and this channel poped up :P |
| 13:20.54 | skiidoo | XChat and UnrealIRCd, it doesn't work. |
| 13:21.23 | skiidoo | But in here it works.. As I said, the standard way works everywhere ;) |
| 13:21.34 | annma | Kristian: KDE is the libs that allow to build Konversation |
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| 13:22.14 | Kristian | ok.. |
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| 13:27.03 | Kristian | Konversation crashed... Fedora Core 6 is a little unstabil :P |
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| 14:07.49 | Anonycat | Does KTorrent normally cause Firefox to have delays in actions such as switching tabs? |
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| 14:08.35 | pinotree | how can a kde application influence a gtk application? |
| 14:09.30 | Electrolyte | Is there a program that can edit splash screens for KDE? |
| 14:09.45 | Anonycat | I have plenty of RAM to spare, and KTorrent's memory usage is set to Low, but FF has been working normally, then I open up KTorrent and 10 minutes later it's already taking 2 seconds to switch tabs in FF |
| 14:10.18 | apokryphos | Electrolyte: edit splash screens? You can use the Moodin engine, which is quite nice to create splashes for. |
| 14:10.48 | Electrolyte | I just want to edit the Edgy Kubuntu splash screen and change the font, it looks horrible without anti-aliasing :) |
| 14:11.22 | apokryphos | pinotree: you didn't IP ban, so they can rejoin (as they did), though they parted again |
| 14:11.36 | MinceR | almost all fonts look horrible without anti-aliasing |
| 14:11.40 | pinotree | apokryphos: yes, as the ban list was full... |
| 14:11.41 | MinceR | terminus doesn't :> |
| 14:12.38 | apokryphos | time for a cleanout :P |
| 14:12.54 | pinotree | heh. seems easy... |
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| 14:13.33 | Electrolyte | apokryphos: moodin is already installed according to Adept Manager. |
| 14:13.45 | apokryphos | pinotree: some of those are really old, a full cleanout probably wouldn't hurt; /cs clear #kde bans all :P |
| 14:13.52 | Electrolyte | ksplash-engine-moodin it's called. |
| 14:13.53 | pinotree | :P |
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| 14:14.03 | Electrolyte | Is there an editor that comes with it? |
| 14:14.03 | apokryphos | Electrolyte: so look around for the mooding config file and open it up |
| 14:14.09 | Electrolyte | Ah. |
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| 14:19.03 | Electrolyte | Found it apokryphos :) |
| 14:19.09 | apokryphos | cool |
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| 14:20.09 | MaTzE | Is there a way to asign a short cut for the fading in and out kicker? Do you have any pointers? |
| 14:20.32 | apokryphos | when does kicker fade in and out? |
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| 14:21.09 | MaTzE | apokryphos: when you say auto hide, than it fades in when you move the mouse to the corner. |
| 14:21.28 | MaTzE | apokryphos: but I do not want to move the mouse but use a shortcut instead |
| 14:21.31 | apokryphos | interesting, that's instantaneous here |
| 14:21.51 | apokryphos | is it not in the standard kde shortcut list? |
| 14:22.02 | apokryphos | If not you could just assign a shortcut for the menu, in which case it'd come up |
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| 14:23.44 | MaTzE | apokryphos: Does that open the menu, too? |
| 14:23.51 | apokryphos | yes |
| 14:24.27 | MaTzE | apokryphos: but if I just want to look up what time it is that's a little bit annoying. |
| 14:25.12 | apokryphos | unless there's something in DCOP, I don't think there's another way |
| 14:25.16 | MaTzE | (I've a 12" screen, so I have to be careful with the space) |
| 14:25.33 | apokryphos | I see :) |
| 14:25.56 | MaTzE | apokryphos: what do I have to do to look if there is something in DCOP? |
| 14:26.11 | apokryphos | MaTzE: dcop kicker |
| 14:26.19 | apokryphos | looking, but I can't see anything there |
| 14:28.10 | MaTzE | apokryphos: perhaps I should write a feature request |
| 14:28.22 | apokryphos | sounds like a good idea |
| 14:28.51 | MaTzE | apokryphos: just want to play safe that there is easy solution which I did not find. |
| 14:28.53 | apokryphos | DCOP entry to raise the panel or/and an entry in the KDE keyboard shortcut list |
| 14:29.18 | apokryphos | I don't think there is, yup |
| 14:29.47 | MaTzE | apokryphos: Ok, thank you very much! |
| 14:29.59 | apokryphos | np |
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| 14:32.37 | sorush20 | hi any type of parental control for kde? |
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| 14:34.38 | mariux | sorush20: you thinking about webfiltering? |
| 14:34.46 | mariux | or locking down the desktop |
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| 14:36.08 | sorush20 | mariux: yes is that part of konqueror? |
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| 14:36.39 | RCL | hi all |
| 14:37.58 | RCL | how can I set default button in Konqueror to Ok (it's set to Cancel) in a messagebox that pops up on certain sites? |
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| 14:38.42 | RCL | Other browsers I use (Opera, Mozilla) set it to OK by default, so I guess that's a matter of Konqueror settings, not server ones |
| 14:38.53 | mariux | sorush20: not filtering no (atleast i dont think so) |
| 14:39.05 | mariux | but you can set it up with squid (proxy) i presume |
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| 14:42.35 | MinceR | :) |
| 14:43.02 | Ash-Fox | Anyhow, BRB. Need to move laptop - and I have no working battery for it anymore :( |
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| 14:46.40 | MaTzE | apokryphos: There is already a wish https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69341, will you also vote? |
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| 14:48.12 | apokryphos | MaTzE: sure, done. |
| 14:48.19 | MaTzE | apokryphos: thanks |
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| 15:12.12 | K|Bouncebaby | Moinsen, kann mir einer hier mal helfen bei Linux 10.0? |
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| 15:12.59 | pinotree | K|Bouncebaby: english or #kde.de, please |
| 15:13.26 | feindbild | K|Bouncebaby: abgesehen davon gibts Linux 10.0 noch nicht ^^ |
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| 15:16.36 | thiago | do you mean the menu on top? |
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| 15:27.40 | Skiver | thiago : yeah, top or bottom. |
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| 15:29.36 | jensp | hi, can somebody tell me where the cookies from konqueror are saved? |
| 15:30.16 | thiago | Skiver: I don't remember where that option is |
| 15:30.40 | thiago | jensp: ~/.kde/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies |
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| 15:43.19 | ramvi | When installing amarok without kde installed, media devices doesn't work. What package am I missing? |
| 15:44.02 | thiago | kdebase |
| 15:44.06 | ramvi | thanks! |
| 15:44.25 | ramvi | haha, I need everything? |
| 15:44.36 | ramvi | It's a joke. I take it. very funny |
| 15:45.04 | feindbild | ramvi: kdelibs+kdebase |
| 15:45.52 | ramvi | kdebase is everything.. |
| 15:46.00 | feindbild | ramvi: no |
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| 15:46.51 | ramvi | Thanks :) Isn't there something like kde-mediadevices that only I need? |
| 15:48.20 | ramvi | kate is part of kdebase :P I don't need kate. I've got sexy gedit |
| 15:48.21 | feindbild | ramvi: the horror. 100MB of disk space ... |
| 15:48.21 | Liquid_Fire | well, get kdebase and don't use kate :) |
| 15:48.21 | MinceR | gvim > * |
| 15:48.25 | ramvi | hehe |
| 15:48.58 | crs_ | Hello. Can anyone tell me how to open terminal in other rhen default coding page? |
| 15:49.41 | Theory | Settings->Encoding? |
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| 15:50.24 | crs_ | Theory: ok, but how do it from the command line? |
| 15:50.25 | feindbild | crs_: set the LANG variable .... |
| 15:50.31 | thiago | crs_: why do you want that? |
| 15:51.49 | feindbild | crs_: something like: export LANG=en_US.UTF8 |
| 15:52.11 | feindbild | crs_: how you set that at boot really depends on yourn distri |
| 15:52.49 | crs_ | thiago: becouse i have utf-8 on default my system and one apps without utf support. If i change to iso8859-2 it is works fine. Buit i have to do this all the time :( |
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| 15:52.55 | thiago | crs_: then, like feindbild said, set your $LANG |
| 15:53.00 | feindbild | crs_: sry ... i meant: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 15:53.09 | thiago | you should also consider upgrading that app to a version that supports Unicode properly |
| 15:55.55 | thiago | like: LANG=pl.ISO-8859-2 konsole |
| 15:56.20 | crs_ | thiago: there is no version with utf support. :( |
| 15:56.25 | thiago | crs_: then file a bug with the developers |
| 15:56.25 | thiago | crs_: they're just 5 years behind development |
| 15:56.25 | crs_ | ;-) |
| 15:56.29 | thiago | (like zsh) |
| 15:56.30 | thiago | I temporarily moved from zsh to bash when I converted to UTF-8 in 2002 |
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| 15:56.32 | thiago | I'm still waiting for the UTF-8 version to become available in order to switch back |
| 15:56.32 | crs_ | yeah, but finally zsh have utf support now |
| 15:56.34 | crs_ | thiago: im using zsh with utf8 support for some time.... |
| 15:56.46 | thiago | crs_: no, it doesn't. |
| 15:56.51 | thiago | http://zsh.dotsrc.org/News/, top item: "A new development version 4.3.1 will be released soon, containing support in the line editor for multibyte character sets such as UTF-8" |
| 15:57.00 | crs_ | thiago: of course taht it have... |
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| 15:57.11 | crs_ | thiago: so i have maybe some cvs version ;-) |
| 15:57.35 | thiago | crs_: it's easy to test: on a new line, type a multi-byte character and press backspace twice |
| 15:57.51 | thiago | does it erase into the prompt? |
| 15:57.55 | feindbild | hmm ... anybody knows some kde app for mtp transfer? |
| 15:58.42 | crs_ | thiago: multi-byte? how type it? ;-) |
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| 16:00.16 | thiago | any character that is not ASCII |
| 16:00.50 | thiago | like á, ż, etc. |
| 16:04.03 | crs_ | thiago: ok, is work normal... |
| 16:04.30 | crs_ | % echo $ZSH_VERSION |
| 16:04.30 | crs_ | 4.3.2 |
| 16:04.39 | thiago | either you have a CVS version or they haven't updated their News webpage |
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| 16:07.12 | thiago | smart> install zsh |
| 16:07.12 | thiago | warning: zsh-1:4.2.6-5mdv2007.0@i586 is already installed |
| 16:10.28 | crs_ | let back to this Konsole with iso codepage. I want to run it from icon from kicker and get only one instance with iso codepage, how to do that? |
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| 16:30.00 | mouse_ | hi |
| 16:30.00 | mouse_ | i got a problem |
| 16:30.00 | mouse_ | i've just installed KDE on a debian distro |
| 16:30.01 | mouse_ | but it only works on 640x480 |
| 16:30.37 | mouse_ | even if in xorg.conf there's only 1024x768 |
| 16:30.37 | mouse_ | u know why? |
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| 16:30.44 | a9913 | mouse_: if it runs only in 640x480, your card supports only that. |
| 16:30.45 | a9913 | even if you run any other window manager, it'll run in 640x480 |
| 16:30.46 | Pinaraf | a9913: or the X.org settings are wrong |
| 16:30.46 | mouse_ | :S |
| 16:30.46 | a9913 | Pinaraf: yeah |
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| 16:52.26 | Akuma_ | where can i find knotes files? i need the file where it stores its content |
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| 16:55.01 | carlosg | Akuma_: ~/.kde/share/apps/knotes ? |
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| 16:57.51 | Akuma_ | carlosg: hmm.. those files seem to be only config files |
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| 16:58.57 | carlosg | Akuma_: if you see the source of notes.ics you will find the content if your notes |
| 16:59.10 | carlosg | you can also import them to korganizer, if you wish |
| 16:59.48 | Akuma_ | is notes.ics supposed to be in the same dir/ |
| 16:59.49 | Akuma_ | ? |
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| 17:00.07 | StevenR | using kde 3.5.4, when I type a word in konqueror's address bar on this box, it treats it as a hostname. When I type a word in the address bar on my other box, it treats it as a google search term. typing two words on both treats it as a google search term. How do I make this box behave correctly and treat a single word as a google search term? |
| 17:00.23 | Akuma_ | cause i only have libkcal-xxxxxx.xxx files ... |
| 17:00.46 | carlosg | Akuma_: that is in the knotes/notes/ folder |
| 17:00.59 | carlosg | in the knotes you can find notes.ics |
| 17:01.25 | Akuma_ | i knotes/ , ls -a gives me only knotes/ |
| 17:01.32 | Akuma_ | *notes/ sorry |
| 17:01.37 | carlosg | well i in this moment dont have knotes installed but have some "trash" of it in my kde home folder |
| 17:02.24 | Akuma_ | i'm asking, because for some reason knotes disapeared from my taskbar, and i really need what was inside ... |
| 17:03.36 | Akuma_ | oh got it |
| 17:03.51 | Akuma_ | knotesnotes.ics in the apps/ dir |
| 17:04.05 | Akuma_ | thanks a lot carlosg |
| 17:04.13 | carlosg | Akuma_: you're welcome |
| 17:06.50 | crs_ | why when im using both of --profile and -e options in konsole, -e <command> is not work? |
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| 17:19.42 | Benzi | hey guys... when I open kcontrol, the left panel is blank, and from the console output I get the error WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/". When I visit settings:/, I get the error "Unknown settings folder". Does anyone know what or where this "settings" folder is? |
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| 17:20.25 | Benzi | oh, and the kcontrol options are now part of the kmenu folder "Lost & Found" |
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| 17:20.38 | Rated-R | Hi || Salut |
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| 17:46.02 | bline | is autotracking broken for anyone else in karm? |
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| 17:50.55 | Rated-R | Hi || Salut |
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| 18:05.17 | mouse_ | hi |
| 18:05.19 | mouse_ | i got a problem |
| 18:05.29 | mouse_ | why if i open control center |
| 18:05.38 | mouse_ | the left menu side is empty? |
| 18:05.47 | mouse_ | there should me some menu listed |
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| 18:08.46 | Rated-R | RE |
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| 18:10.24 | mouse_ | pls help me |
| 18:10.51 | Benzi | hey mouse |
| 18:10.55 | Benzi | I agree with you |
| 18:10.59 | Benzi | same problem, right here |
| 18:11.10 | mouse_ | nice :S |
| 18:11.12 | Benzi | mouse_: are you using a KDE binary package? |
| 18:11.16 | shadok_ | have you the same distro ? |
| 18:11.22 | Benzi | debian amd64 |
| 18:11.25 | mouse_ | i use debian packages |
| 18:11.28 | Benzi | yep |
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| 18:11.30 | shadok_ | :) |
| 18:11.36 | mouse_ | shit |
| 18:11.37 | Benzi | mouse_, are you on amd64? |
| 18:11.39 | mouse_ | on |
| 18:11.42 | mouse_ | i386 |
| 18:11.52 | shadok_ | hmman update recently ? |
| 18:11.53 | Benzi | well |
| 18:11.57 | shadok_ | *hmm an |
| 18:11.59 | Benzi | I updated yesterday |
| 18:12.03 | mouse_ | just updated |
| 18:12.16 | Benzi | but the data packages are not architecture-specific |
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| 18:12.30 | shadok_ | hehe I think you'll have to downgrade or wait a bit |
| 18:12.31 | Benzi | so one of their packages like kde-randomstuff-data is probably messed up |
| 18:12.56 | mouse_ | cool |
| 18:13.05 | Benzi | I can wait a bit... the control center things were in my Lost & Found anyway |
| 18:13.32 | Benzi | by the way, I believe that the problem originates in there not being a /usr/share/applnk/Configuration |
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| 18:14.39 | mouse_ | question |
| 18:14.44 | mouse_ | how to install new kde themes? |
| 18:14.55 | mouse_ | i copied the file in ~/.qt |
| 18:14.59 | mouse_ | as suggested |
| 18:15.06 | mouse_ | but in theme manager there isn't anything |
| 18:15.47 | Benzi | in my ~/.qt there are only config files |
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| 18:16.16 | Benzi | I believe the actual themes come from somewhere in /usr/lib, and are compiled |
| 18:17.27 | Benzi | by theme you mean widget style, right? |
| 18:18.15 | mouse_ | ? |
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| 18:18.54 | Benzi | I'll shut up now XD |
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| 18:22.13 | Benzi | oh... if you have a .kth file, try checking out ~/.kde/share/apps/kthememanager/themes |
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| 18:27.15 | Half-Left | Yo! |
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| 18:35.41 | hume | hi...I got a problem with kpilot syncing with my palm T5 - when syncing everything is erased from the calendar on the palm - anyone got any advice on this? |
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| 18:42.36 | _Sketch_ | I've installed Skim, but it only works in Xterms, and not any other program. Anyone have pointers? |
| 18:42.46 | Jared5552 | I doubt I am going to get an answer on this.... any way to make kde compile faster? |
| 18:43.02 | hume | anyone around that have any idea where to turn with kpilot erasing my palm calendar? |
| 18:43.23 | Rated-R | wow a lot of input and outpu |
| 18:43.58 | Rated-R | it's hard to follow |
| 18:47.17 | shadok_ | Jared5552: compile it with the flag (if you have the coice to enable it) kdeenablefinal |
| 18:47.42 | shadok_ | Jared5552: but you'll need at least 512Mo RAM |
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| 18:49.15 | Jared5552 | shadok_, I am running that, but it still takes many hours |
| 18:49.37 | shadok_ | change you cpu ^^ |
| 18:49.43 | Jared5552 | (btw. that is a full kde compile with gentoo) |
| 18:49.49 | _Sketch_ | Or add CPUs. |
| 18:50.07 | Jared5552 | lol, it still took hours on a amd 4200+ |
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| 18:50.16 | shadok_ | I choose the modular one, it compiles in a few hours |
| 18:50.21 | _Sketch_ | I imagine KDE is pretty massive, so it isn't ever going to take -minutes- to compile.. |
| 18:50.38 | Jared5552 | finally.... kdepim is done compiling |
| 18:50.39 | Deformative | So happy, I got the walmart 398 dollar lappy. |
| 18:50.44 | Deformative | I got the last one. |
| 18:50.50 | bluestorm | hm, what exactly does kdeenablefinal ? |
| 18:50.50 | Deformative | Store had 20 of them. |
| 18:50.54 | Jared5552 | hopefully ccache will help next time I have to recompile |
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| 18:51.09 | Roey | hi |
| 18:51.13 | _Sketch_ | Hi! |
| 18:51.14 | Roey | how do I stop animations in konqueror? |
| 18:51.15 | MinceR | it is going to take minutes to compile. a whole lot of them. :> |
| 18:51.15 | Liquid_Fire | "kdeenablefinal - EXPERIMENTAL: KDE ebuilds will use the enable-final flag, yielding big compilation speedups at the cost of heavy mem usage." |
| 18:51.16 | Roey | HI!!!!! |
| 18:51.20 | Roey | _Sketch_: :) |
| 18:51.20 | Jared5552 | once all my computers are running linux I plan on setting up distcc.... |
| 18:51.27 | Roey | how do I stop animations in konqueror? |
| 18:51.27 | bluestorm | hmmm |
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| 18:51.37 | shadok_ | Jared5552: just don't use the meta packages, i'm sure you don't need everything :) |
| 18:51.37 | bluestorm | Liquid_Fire: but what's the enable-final flag ? |
| 18:51.38 | bluestorm | hum |
| 18:51.40 | bluestorm | gonna STFW |
| 18:52.03 | EdLin | how do you get KDE to automatically launch a browser when a URL goes into the clipboard? (I remember KDE2 doing that) |
| 18:52.10 | Jared5552 | shadok_, actually I have run a large amount of the programs |
| 18:52.25 | Liquid_Fire | EdLin: from klipper's config |
| 18:52.36 | Jared5552 | not frequently, but seeing what they are/testing/showing different people them |
| 18:52.44 | EdLin | Liquid_Fire: I see it, thanks. |
| 18:53.18 | shadok_ | Jared5552: check if "large amount" makes +50% of the software you compile :) |
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| 18:55.03 | Jared5552 | actually I was going to try the separate packages, found out you have to redownload everything, and stopped at that point (no high speed access at home) |
| 18:55.49 | shadok_ | arf, yes, no broadband is a problem |
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| 18:56.29 | Jared5552 | did a complete format because I found out how much I had to recompile anyway to upgrade and how much crap I would have to go through with xmms... |
| 18:56.56 | Jared5552 | I did go to excess on partitioning though this time |
| 18:57.05 | shadok_ | ? xmms is just no more in portage and his flag dissapeared, that's all |
| 18:57.47 | Jared5552 | shadok_, and doing an emerge --update --world required adding 50 things to the keywords files for me... |
| 18:58.19 | shadok_ | that would not force me to reinstall :) |
| 18:59.02 | _Sketch_ | Skim doesn't let me change my input language in anything other than xterrm. What do I do to fix it? |
| 18:59.26 | Jared5552 | emerge --emptytree (and whatever is needed) system, world, or whatever the right order is would have taken longer than a format |
| 18:59.42 | Jared5552 | that is.... if emerge got dependency orders, etc. right and didn't crash 5 minutes after I went to bed |
| 19:00.44 | Jared5552 | probably got confused when I told it to install 5-10 things at once (kde, firefox, thunderbird, koffice, amarok, and a couple others).... was hoping kde would be done by now |
| 19:00.47 | shadok_ | just check with a -p and do/find a loop for emerge to --skipfirst --resume when a packet doesn't compile |
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| 19:01.42 | hume | anyone around that have any idea where to turn with kpilot erasing my palm calendar? there is no dedicated channel for kdepim, right? |
| 19:02.11 | Sutoka | hume: #kontact |
| 19:02.28 | hume | Sutoka, thx |
| 19:02.28 | Sutoka | if kpilot is part of kontact that is |
| 19:02.38 | seth_plzen | hi all I need help. Ecolution under KDE miss icons how can I fix it ???? |
| 19:02.39 | Jared5552 | do you compile with -march=athlon-xp or athlon64 when running a 64 bit processor in 32 bit mode? |
| 19:02.56 | MinceR | eKolution :> |
| 19:02.58 | Sutoka | seth_plzen: Evolution? sounds like a problem with Evolution, not kde |
| 19:03.07 | Sutoka | Jared5552: athlon-xp |
| 19:03.33 | Jared5552 | k. what I have been doing, just wanted to make sure I couldn't get better performance with stability |
| 19:03.46 | Sutoka | the difference wouldn't be much |
| 19:03.46 | seth_plzen | Sutoka: yes but as KDE users you migh know solution .o] |
| 19:04.01 | Sutoka | seth_plzen: most people here don't use evolution, nor have any problem like that |
| 19:04.11 | Liquid_Fire | but KDE users wouldn't be likely to use evolution :) |
| 19:05.44 | seth_plzen | Liquid_Fire: :o) just trying after two hours of googling .... |
| 19:05.47 | Slack4020 | damn DVD -R DL is epensive |
| 19:05.54 | Slack4020 | i got 25 for 7.00 here locallly |
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| 19:06.10 | Sutoka | seth_plzen: ask in an evolution channel |
| 19:06.34 | Sutoka | Slack4020: thats actually a good deal for dual layers |
| 19:06.42 | seth_plzen | Sutoka: there in none |
| 19:06.45 | Sutoka | Slack4020: here its like more than $1 for a single DL disk |
| 19:07.32 | Sutoka | seth_plzen: maybe ask in your distro's channel? |
| 19:07.51 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: 1.00 is alot damn shit lol |
| 19:08.24 | Slack4020 | i hate to pay anymore then +.59 cents for a dvd of any kind |
| 19:08.25 | seth_plzen | Sutoka: I have gon no help there ....... |
| 19:08.25 | Sutoka | Slack4020: yep, here you can sometimes find 100 normal DVD-R disks for $22 |
| 19:08.35 | Sutoka | seth_plzen: what distro? |
| 19:08.40 | seth_plzen | Sutoka: gentoo |
| 19:08.41 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: ebay :P |
| 19:09.44 | Sutoka | seth_plzen: try asking in gnome's channel, since it seems to be a gnome project |
| 19:10.04 | Sutoka | seth_plzen: oh wait |
| 19:10.13 | Sutoka | seth_plzen: "Discussion of Evolution (development and otherwise) takes place in #evolution on irc.gimp.org." <-- thats the channel on that server |
| 19:10.44 | seth_plzen | Sutoka: Thanks I will try bye all |
| 19:10.45 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: dvd+r can be boot typed as dvd -r right ? |
| 19:11.18 | Sutoka | Slack4020: dvd+r and dvd-r are almost the same, the difference pretty much doesn't matter AFAIK |
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| 19:11.45 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: both worked here .......one is just cheaper then the other |
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| 19:16.28 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: 200 dvd=r's for 40 bucks dont seem bad |
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| 19:29.52 | rabauke | hello! anyone familiar with the frozen bubble rules? |
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| 19:30.35 | pinotree | frozen bubble is not a kde application... |
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| 19:32.09 | devinx | when I use the run dialog to run a program, and it's not found, it opens up firefox to some search thing. is that normal? |
| 19:32.48 | rabauke | pinotree: so? |
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| 19:33.21 | devinx | rather than saying "command not found" like it used to do |
| 19:33.25 | icwiener | rabauke: This is #kde. |
| 19:33.55 | rabauke | omg |
| 19:34.02 | Sutoka | devinx: thats because of your ISP/DNS provider |
| 19:34.08 | Sutoka | they're wildcarding ALL addresses |
| 19:34.12 | Sutoka | OpenDNS is one that does that |
| 19:34.59 | Sutoka | devinx: Verisign tried that in the past for EVERY SINGLE .COM FOR EVERYONE but luckily they had to back off of that |
| 19:35.18 | rabauke | please stay on topic :p |
| 19:35.47 | devinx | hmm.. that sux :( |
| 19:35.51 | Sutoka | devinx: yep |
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| 19:36.40 | Sutoka | devinx: its really annoying, the same thing happens to me because i set my computer to use opendns because verizon's server have HORRIBLE latency (like 10-20 seconds) |
| 19:37.00 | Slack4020 | hmmmmm i wonder how far a 1.5 gb xvis falls from a dvd mpeg 2 version |
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| 19:37.18 | rabauke | pinotree: your turn |
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| 19:37.47 | Sutoka | rabauke: were you telling me & devinx to 'stay on topic'? |
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| 19:38.41 | rabauke | Sutoka: no, not really, just making fun of icwiener and pinotree who seem to be very strict on that issue, at least when asking for frozen bubble :) |
| 19:38.45 | rabauke | I'm off |
| 19:38.48 | rabauke | bye |
| 19:38.50 | jauknix | I've now switched to KDE, as I am boycotting Novell. |
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| 19:39.10 | rabauke | jauknix: Novell ships KDe too, bad luck |
| 19:39.32 | jauknix | rabauke: But they don't have mono in KDE |
| 19:39.32 | Sutoka | jauknix: switching from suse is a better idea if you wanna boycot novell |
| 19:39.36 | jauknix | I am |
| 19:39.41 | jauknix | And also GNOME |
| 19:39.46 | Sutoka | though novell does prefer GNOME (they've even said so...) |
| 19:39.56 | jauknix | I use KDE, Kmail, and MEPIS |
| 19:40.05 | jauknix | Instead of GNOME, Evolution, and SUSE now |
| 19:40.12 | jauknix | And I am loving it! |
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| 19:43.09 | Sutoka | I'm probably gonna be switching my laptop off of Suse eventually, not for political reasons, but because Suse is starting to suck horribly and hasn't "just worked" for me |
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| 19:45.43 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: you know anything about video compression etc? |
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| 19:45.58 | Rated-R | Slack4020: i could help you |
| 19:46.01 | Sutoka | Slack4020: only a little, and mostly that mpg2 and wmv sucks |
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| 19:46.25 | Slack4020 | well what does something like a 1.5 gb xvid/divx format translate into mpeg2/dvd ? |
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| 19:46.37 | Sutoka | Slack4020: how long is it? |
| 19:47.10 | Slack4020 | 80 minutes ish |
| 19:47.25 | Sutoka | a normal DVD-R can only hold around 2 hours |
| 19:47.33 | Sutoka | wow that must be encoded at a pretty high bitrate |
| 19:47.46 | Slack4020 | its actually 1.4 gb |
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| 19:48.06 | Rated-R | Slack4020: the time matters, not the size |
| 19:48.10 | Slack4020 | ooo |
| 19:48.22 | Slack4020 | only time matters? |
| 19:48.32 | Slack4020 | i have saw a 100 mb 3 hour film once ;) |
| 19:48.35 | Rated-R | and resolution ok |
| 19:48.36 | Sutoka | time and bitrate only pretty much |
| 19:48.41 | Rated-R | yes |
| 19:49.01 | Rated-R | but for mpeg2 you don't have a lot of solutions |
| 19:49.25 | Slack4020 | well im wonder how close this xvid.divx file is close to the mpeg2 version |
| 19:49.52 | Sutoka | though that 1.4gb video must have a REALLY high bitrate (i generally see around 800 megs xvid for around an hour and a half of video and i can't see any artifacts in it) |
| 19:50.06 | Sutoka | xvid/divx is a LOT better than mpeg2 |
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| 19:50.28 | Slack4020 | yea but onviously the file was trnascoded which you will loose quality no matter |
| 19:50.34 | Rated-R | and x264 better again |
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| 19:50.48 | Slack4020 | Rated-R: dvd dont support it |
| 19:50.49 | Sutoka | and ascii is even better than x264! |
| 19:51.03 | Rated-R | haha |
| 19:51.12 | Rated-R | damn, no chance to be serious |
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| 19:51.22 | Rated-R | without starting troll war |
| 19:51.25 | Slack4020 | well |
| 19:51.35 | Slack4020 | my aladdin dvd ripped is 6 GB |
| 19:51.44 | Rated-R | i didn't say that to be the ONE, i just say an opinion, you are free to don't follow |
| 19:51.45 | Sutoka | dvds can only do mpeg2 (a few dvd players are capable of playing xvid/divx) |
| 19:51.49 | Slack4020 | my xvid file i downloaded of aladdin is 1.4 GB |
| 19:51.53 | Sutoka | Slack4020: how long is that video??? |
| 19:51.59 | Slack4020 | 80 mins |
| 19:52.12 | Sutoka | Slack4020: that sounds like it wasn't transcoded at all |
| 19:52.17 | Slack4020 | what? |
| 19:52.28 | Slack4020 | it had to be |
| 19:52.31 | Sutoka | you should be able to get that down to 800 megs or less and have no visible reduction in image quality |
| 19:52.52 | Slack4020 | the aladdin i downloaded is 1.4 gb the dvd actual iamge is 6 GB |
| 19:53.39 | Sutoka | they could have transcoded it to be a LOT smaller than that with no visible quality loss |
| 19:53.43 | Rated-R | Slack4020: don't talk about warez |
| 19:53.47 | Slack4020 | i won it |
| 19:53.48 | Rated-R | you are on kde here |
| 19:53.48 | Slack4020 | !!!!!! |
| 19:53.50 | Slack4020 | own* |
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| 19:53.55 | Slack4020 | said that 3 times |
| 19:54.00 | Rated-R | "i downloaded" <-- your words |
| 19:54.08 | Slack4020 | yes |
| 19:54.09 | Slack4020 | i downloaded |
| 19:54.15 | _Sketch_ | iDownload |
| 19:54.20 | Slack4020 | i own the dvd |
| 19:54.30 | Rated-R | not my prob |
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| 19:54.35 | Slack4020 | but yes i downloaded the xvid not for the movie just to see the quality |
| 19:54.40 | Rated-R | but don't forget where you are |
| 19:54.41 | Rated-R | :) |
| 19:54.45 | Slack4020 | ^^ |
| 19:54.54 | Sutoka | Slack4020: the legality of downloading a copy of something you already own is unfortunately questionable |
| 19:55.20 | Slack4020 | well im not all to worried .......i did it for quality in difference not to watch it |
| 19:55.58 | Slack4020 | its hard for me to tell though |
| 19:56.18 | Rated-R | Slack4020: say that to MPAA super Agent SMITH :) |
| 19:56.42 | Rated-R | well, let's just talk about compression |
| 19:56.43 | Sutoka | well i ripped the entire Evangelion series and movie (9 dvds, about 662 minutes (estimate)) and all of them combined are able to fit on a single dvd after being ripped into xvid format |
| 19:56.55 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 19:57.01 | Slack4020 | looose quality ? |
| 19:57.21 | Sutoka | i honestly wouldn't be able to tell the difference in visual quality |
| 19:57.30 | Sutoka | 99% of the people out there wouldn't be able to either |
| 19:57.31 | Slack4020 | it sounds to good to be true but heh |
| 19:57.42 | Slack4020 | how about on a bigger screen |
| 19:57.46 | Rated-R | Sutoka: you would have put more with x264/aac compressed videos |
| 19:57.46 | Rated-R | :p |
| 19:57.53 | Sutoka | only way most people can tell the between rip and original is if they examine them side by side, and even them most are wrong |
| 19:58.02 | Sutoka | Rated-R: this was a couple years ago |
| 19:58.10 | Rated-R | Sutoka: i'm kidding |
| 19:58.28 | Sutoka | i don't get it |
| 19:58.36 | Rated-R | no prob |
| 19:58.48 | Sutoka | im not a xvid fanatic or anything |
| 19:58.52 | Slack4020 | its hard to tell |
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| 19:59.33 | Rated-R | Sutoka: don't justify you... damn :) |
| 19:59.49 | Slack4020 | but my friend has movies like 700 mb stuff i guess hw downloaded i have watched them on his tv they looked just like the dvd but then again i ddint have the dvd there side by side |
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| 20:00.21 | Sutoka | Slack4020: mpeg2 is HORRIBLY inefficient |
| 20:00.48 | Slack4020 | but everyone i ask for a size/size ratio they all give me extremely different number :P |
| 20:01.00 | Sutoka | which is why xvid easily produces much smaller files with higher quality (and x264 as well, though im not totally sure how that compares cause i've never actually ripped anything using it) |
| 20:01.09 | Sutoka | Slack4020: its all an opinion thing |
| 20:01.17 | Sutoka | just rip it a few times yourself and compare |
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| 20:03.25 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: eeeeek |
| 20:03.31 | Slack4020 | im no good at comparing |
| 20:03.56 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: btw i just bought a dvd player 99 percent have divx/xvid support |
| 20:04.19 | Slack4020 | even the cheap 35.00 ones |
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| 20:10.30 | Rated-R | Sutoka: i did about x264, i put a 2h long movie on a CD without LOST, but compression took 11h (3pass) |
| 20:11.21 | Jared5552 | is there a certain point where it is safe to start kde while it is compiling on gentoo? (like right now it is on kdemultimedia) |
| 20:11.47 | Rated-R | i know you are afraid bye "hypiness" of h264 by APPLE, but i don't say that cause APPLE's braggin' with it |
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| 20:12.15 | Slack4020 | hmmmmm |
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| 20:12.31 | Rated-R | x264 is really efficient... but as you said, there's no hard player for that |
| 20:12.40 | Slack4020 | Rated-R: so how far do you think this 80 minute xvid 1.4 GB is from the orginal dvd :) |
| 20:12.45 | Slack4020 | im just trying to get a general idea |
| 20:12.56 | Slack4020 | i assume the ripper knew what he was doing |
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| 20:13.26 | Rated-R | Slack4020: it depends, 1.4GB doesn't mean quality |
| 20:13.51 | Rated-R | 80min in 1.4GB, is, my opinion, a huge waste of bandwith |
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| 20:14.31 | Rated-R | i don't know if Xvid handles HD resolution |
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| 20:14.51 | Rated-R | but as there no so much HD movie on the market |
| 20:15.01 | Rated-R | i should think it's compressed with foots |
| 20:15.02 | Rated-R | :) |
| 20:15.14 | Rated-R | (french expression) |
| 20:15.55 | Sutoka | Rated-R: how am i afraid? |
| 20:16.11 | Rated-R | Sutoka: ? |
| 20:17.01 | Rated-R | ho... |
| 20:17.14 | Sutoka | Rated-R: AFAIK, applet just uses it, it had nothing to do with the creation of it (or was just yet-another-member-of-the-committee) |
| 20:18.15 | Rated-R | Sutoka: i agree, but people use this argument to annoye people using or saying good about x264 |
| 20:19.11 | Slack4020 | Rated-R: well how can i get figures of quality ? |
| 20:19.23 | Slack4020 | ISO MPEG-4 (XviD, ffmpeg) 853x400(704x400) |
| 20:19.31 | Rated-R | well, what i mean, if i use X264 it's not by trend, or want to brag with Buzz word, but it's really powerful |
| 20:19.33 | Slack4020 | Aladdin CD1.avi |
| 20:19.37 | Slack4020 | Length: |
| 20:19.38 | Sutoka | Slack4020: 'figures' are hard to do because its really interpretive |
| 20:19.41 | Slack4020 | 0:43:15 |
| 20:19.45 | Slack4020 | Mime: |
| 20:19.49 | Slack4020 | video/x-msvideo |
| 20:19.53 | Slack4020 | Audio: |
| 20:19.53 | Slack4020 | A/52 5.1 448kb/s |
| 20:19.53 | Slack4020 | Video: |
| 20:19.53 | Slack4020 | ISO MPEG-4 (XviD, ffmpeg) 853x400(704x400) |
| 20:19.53 | Slack4020 | ooops |
| 20:19.54 | Slack4020 | sorry guys :( |
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| 20:20.26 | Rated-R | Sutoka: do you get my point? |
| 20:20.50 | Sutoka | yes |
| 20:21.09 | Sutoka | i don't encode with x264 just because i haven't encoded any videos since it was created |
| 20:21.49 | Rated-R | Sutoka: well, i assumed you were against, when i read your first comment: ascii is even better than x264 |
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| 20:22.01 | Sutoka | that was supposed to be a joke |
| 20:22.04 | Rated-R | yes |
| 20:22.10 | VegCom | Anybody useing Slackware? |
| 20:22.11 | Rated-R | it could be a trool |
| 20:22.41 | Rated-R | s/trool/troll/g |
| 20:22.46 | Rated-R | yep |
| 20:22.47 | Sutoka | and anyways, ascii encoding would produce smaller videos |
| 20:23.04 | Sutoka | (but thats completely ignoring the output quality) |
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| 20:23.14 | Rated-R | don't compress |
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| 20:23.19 | Rated-R | just use libcaca as output |
| 20:23.20 | Sutoka | and actually most video players support outputting the video with an ascii driver including mplayer |
| 20:23.24 | Rated-R | ascii in color |
| 20:23.26 | Rated-R | :) |
| 20:23.33 | Sutoka | pffff |
| 20:23.35 | Sutoka | color is over rated |
| 20:23.43 | VegCom | dang... anyone know how i can make a name on here? so i can get in ##linux? |
| 20:23.44 | Sutoka | all you need is 1 bit |
| 20:23.45 | Rated-R | damn, i'm too old |
| 20:23.50 | VegCom | like whats the command to login |
| 20:24.00 | Sutoka | VegCom: it says when you connect to freenode |
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| 20:24.20 | ArkoldThos | oi |
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| 20:24.36 | Sutoka | VegCom: /msg NickServ help |
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| 20:25.43 | VegCom | ty! |
| 20:25.44 | VegCom | :D |
| 20:26.19 | Linux-ZiNg | ummm |
| 20:26.29 | Linux-ZiNg | it says this name is not regertered |
| 20:26.43 | Sutoka | you have to register a specific name |
| 20:26.50 | Sutoka | and then authenticate with that name |
| 20:27.02 | Sutoka | if you switch names, you won't be authenticated anymore |
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| 20:27.04 | Linux-ZiNg | ok, you know the command? |
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| 20:27.32 | Sutoka | Linux-ZiNg: /msg NickServ help register |
| 20:27.44 | Sutoka | freenode tells you how to do all that |
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| 21:03.06 | Shirakawasuna | is there a decent kde video editor? |
| 21:03.09 | Shirakawasuna | kde/qt |
| 21:03.19 | Shirakawasuna | I currently use avidemux but it would be great if there was something native |
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| 21:04.34 | adamt | hi - where do kaddressbook store it's stuff? |
| 21:05.27 | pinotree | adamt: ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/ |
| 21:05.41 | adamt | thank you |
| 21:05.44 | adamt | abc? |
| 21:06.22 | pinotree | yep |
| 21:06.30 | adamt | pinotree: so i can copy the files from my old install over to my new install? |
| 21:06.51 | pinotree | yep |
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| 21:07.06 | adamt | but what is kabc? |
| 21:07.15 | adamt | sweet, it worked. |
| 21:07.24 | pinotree | kab was kaddressbook |
| 21:07.35 | pinotree | no idea about 'kabc'... |
| 21:07.50 | pinotree | jump in #kontact, maybe someone could enlight you ;) |
| 21:08.09 | adamt | ohh well, i don't feel the need for enlightenment.. :-) |
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| 21:18.00 | Sutoka | kabc is the kaddressbook library or something (kaddressbook connector i think) |
| 21:18.23 | adamt | confusing.. |
| 21:19.31 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: just looking on kde-apps.org vivia is a video editor (never used it so not a clue how good/functional it is) |
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| 21:20.29 | Sutoka | Shirakawasuna: kfilm and kdenlive look like 2 other video editors |
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| 21:25.21 | Shirakawasuna | Sutoka: yeah I just found kdenlive |
| 21:25.23 | Shirakawasuna | Sutoka: thanks |
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| 21:34.59 | Q-collective | darn |
| 21:35.11 | Q-collective | Sho_: there's no /torrent yet?! |
| 21:35.12 | Q-collective | tsss! |
| 21:35.13 | Q-collective | ;) |
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| 21:37.54 | adamt | Q-collective: torrent for what? |
| 21:38.13 | Q-collective | adamt: you know /audio and /video? |
| 21:38.18 | Q-collective | think that for ktorrent |
| 21:39.19 | adamt | no, i don't know /audio and /video... no idea what that is |
| 21:39.25 | adamt | ahh |
| 21:39.26 | adamt | okay |
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| 21:40.16 | rcm-x | hey |
| 21:40.30 | adamt | rcm-x: hey |
| 21:40.33 | rcm-x | I dont suppose someone could tell me of a program that supports SSL / FTP? |
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| 21:40.47 | adamt | rcm-x: konqueror |
| 21:40.48 | aseigo | rcm-x: konqi. |
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| 21:40.54 | aseigo | rcm-x: any kde app that uses kio |
| 21:41.04 | aseigo | rcm-x: the url is ftps:// |
| 21:41.07 | rcm-x | I suppose KBear uses konqueror? |
| 21:41.23 | rcm-x | i'll give it a try |
| 21:41.23 | rcm-x | sec |
| 21:41.37 | rcm-x | I tried KBear but no dice |
| 21:42.07 | rcm-x | I get protocol not supported: ftps |
| 21:42.12 | pinotree | sftp |
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| 21:42.24 | Homer | Hey guys I'm running KDE! |
| 21:42.35 | rcm-x | Homer =) |
| 21:42.42 | rcm-x | Took me a couple days to get KDE compiled :-P\ |
| 21:43.13 | rcm-x | Konqueror doesn't seem to be working.. it said connecting, and then stopped saying that and thats all |
| 21:43.25 | rcm-x | Oh wait |
| 21:43.32 | rcm-x | Error encountered while talking to ssh |
| 21:44.02 | rcm-x | The reason I need flashfxp is cause I can set either AUTH TLS/AUTH SSL and it supports PRET transfers |
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| 21:45.04 | rcm-x | whoops |
| 21:45.12 | rcm-x | I didnt know wine kept hold of ctrl when its pressed lol |
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| 21:48.19 | rcm-x | did I miss anything? |
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| 21:50.54 | dan2003 | is ther n easy wway to associate a protocol with an application? ie counterstrike arena website specifes games servers as css-game://ip:port, i woant to be able to have a asocation hat will launch wine and conterstrike if these are clicked on |
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| 21:53.42 | Kim^J | Can someone do this in Speedcrunch: 255*255*255 and give me the answer you get? |
| 21:54.15 | maxell | hi there. is there any gui outta there which can join multiple movie parts (maybe with help from mencoder)? |
| 21:54.34 | Pinaraf | Kim^J: 1.6581375e7 |
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| 21:55.19 | Kim^J | Pinaraf: Sum: Speedcrunch sucks. |
| 21:55.51 | _Sketch_ | maxell: I'm sure one -exists-, anyway. Don't know names. :/ |
| 21:56.23 | maxell | :( |
| 21:56.24 | Pinaraf | Kim^J: why ? |
| 21:56.39 | Kim^J | Pinaraf: It can't calculate 255*255*255 |
| 21:56.40 | maxell | maybe kde-apps can help me |
| 21:57.02 | Pinaraf | 255*255*255 = 16581375 = 1.6581375*10^7 |
| 21:57.10 | Pinaraf | so I don't see any issue with speedcrunch here |
| 21:57.14 | Renze | Kim^J: that is the correct answer |
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| 21:58.21 | Kim^J | Why does it put friggin irritating things that SHOULDN'T be there!? |
| 21:58.31 | Pinaraf | Kim^J: ??? |
| 21:58.36 | Pinaraf | what things ? |
| 21:58.36 | Renze | Kim^J: have you never seen scientific notation before? |
| 21:58.53 | Kim^J | WHy can't it just give me the answet plain and simple. I use a calculator to get the answer in one single line without any extra friggin calculation. |
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| 22:00.28 | Pinaraf | Kim^J: view > fixed decimal |
| 22:00.41 | Kim^J | got it already... |
| 22:01.01 | Kim^J | what I dunno why it's there from the beginning... |
| 22:01.03 | Pinaraf | with fixed decimal, it doesn't use the scientific notation |
| 22:01.26 | Pinaraf | because it's unable to display a lot of figures in a meaningfull manner |
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| 22:01.47 | Sutoka | scientific notation is the easiest way to view BIG numbers |
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| 22:02.11 | Kim^J | Sutoka: 16 millions aint a big number. |
| 22:02.21 | Renze | like 2^128 ;) |
| 22:02.29 | Renze | 3.4028237e38 |
| 22:02.33 | Pinaraf | Kim^J: what is a big number ? |
| 22:03.01 | Kim^J | Pinaraf: More than 16 million. |
| 22:03.55 | adamt | Kim^J: SO 16 000 001 is a big number, but 16 000 000 is not? |
| 22:04.00 | Pinaraf | 16 500 000 is a big number then ? |
| 22:04.22 | Kim^J | No. |
| 22:04.34 | Kim^J | 2300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 is a big number. |
| 22:04.48 | Pinaraf | Kim^J: what is the smallest big number ? |
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| 22:05.40 | Kim^J | if a number is full of zeros i'm glad if it's displayed 1 10^80 |
| 22:05.43 | adamt | Kim^J: but compared to 10^(10^(10^(10^(10^(10^(10^(10^(10^(10^(10^(10^(10^(10))))))))))), 2300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 is a small number.. right.. |
| 22:05.49 | Kim^J | 1*10^80 * |
| 22:06.08 | adamt | So.. it's relative. |
| 22:06.18 | Kim^J | well... yes... |
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| 22:07.13 | Kim^J | 16581375 isn't really something i want in that form... (1.6 * 10^7) cause it's wrong. |
| 22:07.27 | Pinaraf | I think 42 is the smallest big number |
| 22:07.29 | Sutoka | its not wrong... |
| 22:07.43 | Pinaraf | because 42 is the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything |
| 22:07.54 | Renze | Pinaraf: but what is the question? |
| 22:08.23 | Kim^J | Sutoka: It's pretty damn easier to read 16581375 than to read the 1.6581375*10^7 |
| 22:08.28 | Pinaraf | Renze: the question is : what is the smallest big number ? |
| 22:08.34 | Pinaraf | Kim^J: I don't think so |
| 22:08.36 | Sutoka | depends on which you use more often |
| 22:08.58 | Sutoka | and if you prefer otherwise, thats why theres the option |
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| 22:11.28 | SAS_Spidey01 | is it common to see "Makefile", line /n/: Need an operator or simular when running make after running a configure script hehehe |
| 22:11.29 | adamt | damn, i can't put my return-key back |
| 22:12.43 | hollywoodb | SAS_Spidey01: sometimes, not all makefiles are equal |
| 22:12.53 | SAS_Spidey01 | hehe |
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| 22:25.43 | _Sketch_ | Anyone able to help out with Skim? |
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| 22:27.24 | SAS_Spidey01 | skim? |
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| 22:28.31 | Sho_ | SAS_Spidey01: It's an input method for Japanese & co |
| 22:28.36 | tuxedup | is there a way to speed up the send/recieve transfer rate in kopete when using the msn protocol? |
| 22:28.53 | SAS_Spidey01 | oh |
| 22:29.25 | Sutoka | tuxedup: isn't that limit part of the msn protocol? |
| 22:30.30 | tuxedup | Sutoka: no because the transfer rate I am getting is painfully slow it is going at dial up speeds yet i and other eprson bth have adsl, it is much quicker on kmess and amsn |
| 22:30.47 | Sutoka | tuxedup: oh are you transfer files? |
| 22:31.16 | tuxedup | Sutoka: yeh fro transfering files, sorry should have specified that |
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| 22:31.59 | Sutoka | tuxedup: then not a clue (i don't even have an msn account) |
| 22:34.26 | _Sketch_ | For some reason, I can't even change input methods in any apps except Xterm. All the bug reports I've found are regarding the characters not appearing when entered... I can't even bring up the input box.. |
| 22:34.55 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: im installing skim right now so ill tell you if it works for me |
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| 22:35.31 | Renze | Sutoka: it's called satay chicken |
| 22:35.36 | _Sketch_ | Sutoka: Cool. Thanks. |
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| 22:36.19 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: i currently use xkb to input non-latin characters so im gonna see if s(c,k)im works better (since xkb only lets me type a few katakana characters) |
| 22:37.20 | _Sketch_ | When it DOES work, Skim is quite nice. It even manages Kanji. |
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| 22:42.43 | endra | hey |
| 22:42.58 | _Sketch_ | Hi! |
| 22:43.03 | endra | I did emerge gFTP and when I run it from the KMenu it doesnt seem to run.. |
| 22:43.17 | endra | Im new so I dont know how to fix stuff like this.. or even analyze the problem |
| 22:43.33 | Sutoka | endra: try running 'gftp' from a terminal (like 'konsole') |
| 22:43.53 | luksan | anyone sucessfully built KDE4 here? |
| 22:43.56 | endra | seems to run fine |
| 22:44.04 | endra | It shows me copyright and whatnot, then it shows ftp> |
| 22:44.46 | SAS_Spidey01 | gFTP is a command line and graphical ftp client afaik |
| 22:44.59 | endra | well, I was hoping to get teh graphical part of it :P |
| 22:45.02 | endra | the* |
| 22:45.19 | Sutoka | gFTP is a gtk program im pretty sure, so thats unrelated to #kde |
| 22:45.21 | endra | It opens up in the taskbar, and it says gFTP - Loading Application when I put my mouse on it, but then after 30 seconds it closes |
| 22:45.26 | pinotree | endra: gftp is not a kde application |
| 22:45.40 | pinotree | wrong channel, sorry |
| 22:45.42 | endra | ah, so where do I go ? :P |
| 22:45.49 | pinotree | not here |
| 22:46.01 | SAS_Spidey01 | gFTP is a GTK+ app, I made a PBI of it made /w the gtk1.x gui for pc-bsd |
| 22:46.25 | endra | I see |
| 22:46.32 | endra | uh.. thanks anyways I guess |
| 22:47.02 | SAS_Spidey01 | but I use FreeBSDs ftp program so I don't know gFTP well |
| 22:47.15 | _Sketch_ | It seems like a KDE-ish problem though.. It's not working from KMenu, so.. |
| 22:47.33 | endra | this is why I came here :-) |
| 22:47.35 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: no, sounds like the GUI just isn't installed |
| 22:47.42 | pinotree | ... so a bron installation, given that he has troubles with the gui |
| 22:47.48 | pinotree | broken* |
| 22:47.57 | _Sketch_ | Sutoka: ah. |
| 22:48.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | Does emage give a menu to select make options in it ? |
| 22:48.26 | pinotree | i would ask in #gentoo, maybe the emerging went somehow wrong |
| 22:48.33 | endra | I believe you are right actually |
| 22:48.46 | endra | The guy doesn't seem to be installed, gftp-text works but gftp-gtk doesn't |
| 22:48.54 | Sutoka | if you're using gentoo, maybe USE="gtk" isn't set |
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| 22:49.37 | endra | whoops, I have -gtk |
| 22:49.38 | endra | :P |
| 22:49.47 | endra | handbook said to put that in there |
| 22:49.51 | endra | How did you know I was using gentoo? |
| 22:49.51 | Sutoka | that'd explain it |
| 22:49.59 | pinotree | endra: you said that |
| 22:50.12 | Sutoka | pinotree recommended you ask in gentoo |
| 22:50.32 | endra | im kinda banned from gentoo |
| 22:50.50 | endra | heh.. I said a bad word :-/ |
| 22:50.54 | endra | Their channel, their rules I guess. |
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| 22:51.13 | Sutoka | lots of people have been coming here today that have been banned from their distro's channel... |
| 22:51.36 | endra | I was banned a couple days ago.. |
| 22:51.54 | Renze | what did you say? "Suse"? |
| 22:52.01 | endra | no, shit |
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| 22:52.15 | Sutoka | heh, the other guy was banned from Suse and i was able to guess the guy that banned him even lol |
| 22:52.23 | endra | I said 'this is some weird shit' when my router didnt disconnect my IRC connection when I rebooted it |
| 22:52.31 | endra | and I got banned for 2 weeks for a 'bad word' |
| 22:52.38 | benJIman | People are very rarely banned from #suse |
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| 22:53.02 | benJIman | Usually it's just people running as root, who can't message the channel. |
| 22:53.03 | Renze | benJIman: they can't afford to ban people... they have a tenuous grasp on their userbase as it is ;) |
| 22:53.13 | benJIman | Renze: huh? |
| 22:53.21 | Renze | the deal with the devil |
| 22:53.29 | Renze | Microsoft+Novell |
| 22:53.32 | benJIman | Ah, looks all positive atm, will have to wait and see. |
| 22:53.56 | Renze | any deal with Microsoft cannot, by definition, be positive |
| 22:54.00 | Sutoka | benJIman: im sure IBM was saying the same thing ;-) |
| 22:54.21 | benJIman | Renze: Microsoft are far better than many other large software companies like adobe. |
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| 22:54.34 | Sutoka | sure its POSSIBLE this may be a good thing (for others than MS), but they have a record of it turning out otherwise |
| 22:54.48 | benJIman | Microsoft research even develops quite some interesting stuff, and some Free software. |
| 22:55.29 | benJIman | Whatever microsoft does people assume is evil. |
| 22:55.37 | MinceR | m$ isn't any better than adobe |
| 22:55.55 | benJIman | They are not that bad, better in fact than many other companies because they can get away with less. |
| 22:56.00 | Renze | benJIman: and they're usually right |
| 22:56.01 | MinceR | remember, they force vendors to ship all their computers with windoze preinstalled, or they raise the prices. |
| 22:57.08 | benJIman | When was the last time Microsoft attacked people over IP issues, and Adobe do it all the time. |
| 22:57.42 | benJIman | Microsoft are relatively benign, just have to watch the FUD and anticompetive business practices. |
| 22:58.03 | _Sketch_ | I guess there aren't channels immune to M$-wars. :p |
| 22:58.05 | Slack4020 | MPEG layer 2/3 32kb/s |
| 22:58.14 | Slack4020 | thats not veery good quality audio for a movie is it ? |
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| 22:58.28 | Sutoka | Slack4020: no |
| 22:58.38 | Sutoka | Slack4020: thats a 32kb/s mp3 pretty much |
| 22:58.39 | Renze | Slack4020: um, this is #kde, not #video-piracy |
| 22:58.51 | Slack4020 | Renze: i just ripped my own dvd |
| 22:59.03 | Renze | Slack4020: that's nice... and this is not the place to talk about it |
| 22:59.04 | Sutoka | Renze: hes ripping his own dvd, so that should be #video-ripping-that-mpaa-wants-to-be-piracy |
| 22:59.37 | endra | I know this is not a KDE question, but gFTP doesnt seem to support PRET extension, anyone know of a GUI that supports SSL/Pret ? |
| 22:59.37 | pinotree | Slack4020: do you know the meaning of the word 'offtopic'? |
| 22:59.39 | Homer | watching movies is piracy!! |
| 22:59.43 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 22:59.56 | Sutoka | Homer: NOT buying movies is piracy! |
| 23:00.08 | _Sketch_ | Making videos of your children's birthdays is PIRACY! You're stealing their souls without their consent! |
| 23:00.13 | Homer | yeah cause you would have baught them if you didn't buy them |
| 23:00.18 | Homer | thus you are making MPAA lose money |
| 23:00.21 | Homer | which is always piracy |
| 23:00.23 | Homer | I think |
| 23:00.24 | Homer | brb |
| 23:00.32 | Slack4020 | HOLY crap Renze the last 10 mins has been nothing but off topic |
| 23:00.34 | Slack4020 | :D |
| 23:00.49 | benJIman | Renze: anyway there's a special channel for discussing it #opensuse-fud , as all the microsoft trolls were preventing help in #suse |
| 23:00.52 | Renze | Slack4020: but you are consistently offtopic... all the time |
| 23:00.57 | Slack4020 | Renze: no im not |
| 23:01.03 | pinotree | Slack4020: that's not an authorization for you to talk about your damn stuff |
| 23:01.04 | Slack4020 | Renze: im in here quite a bit |
| 23:01.11 | pinotree | and always offtopic |
| 23:01.23 | Renze | Slack4020: yes, and almost constantly annoyingly offtopic |
| 23:01.25 | Slack4020 | pinotree: oh please ..........if no one has kde questions i dont see anything wrong with off topic |
| 23:01.31 | pinotree | NO |
| 23:01.51 | Slack4020 | i guess it better to talk about micrsoft and how a bad company they are |
| 23:02.00 | Renze | Slack4020: you do realise that we don't give a shit about your adventures with video codecs, don't you? |
| 23:02.27 | pinotree | Slack4020: they did a very short talk, and _already_ stopped |
| 23:02.27 | Slack4020 | Renze: i dont care what you think Renze and you my friend are starting to piss me off .........even whe ni give you respect |
| 23:02.40 | pinotree | Slack4020: YOU are constantly offtopic |
| 23:02.58 | Slack4020 | pinotree: what you are saying now is off topic |
| 23:03.02 | pinotree | no |
| 23:03.06 | Slack4020 | yes |
| 23:03.12 | pinotree | yawn |
| 23:03.13 | Slack4020 | please pm me and tell me this dont flood the channel |
| 23:03.21 | Sutoka | Slack4020: fyi, pinotree has ops... just so you know |
| 23:03.29 | Slack4020 | ? |
| 23:03.34 | Slack4020 | whats what suppose to mean ? |
| 23:03.44 | pinotree | oho, now you talk about offtopic?! how do you dare??? |
| 23:03.46 | Sutoka | what _Sketch_ said lol |
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| 23:04.15 | pinotree | please RESPECT the channel and the other guys, and be silent |
| 23:04.24 | pinotree | instead of tallking about YOUR stuff |
| 23:04.26 | pinotree | OK?! |
| 23:04.33 | Firztspawn | wakey wakey, require some konqueror knowhow |
| 23:04.37 | _Sketch_ | In other news.. Sutoka, is Skim working for you? |
| 23:04.39 | pinotree | because YOU are starting pissing me off now |
| 23:04.49 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: recompiling qt :-( |
| 23:05.26 | _Sketch_ | Sutoka: Ouch. |
| 23:05.26 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: im not exactly a person who gets banned and cries ..........some people do casue its there only outlet of social activity ........if someone is smart enoguh to use irc they are smart enough to join a channel after being banned .........not saying its ok but i think ops banning is stupid i would like to see more of a group banning |
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| 23:05.26 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: na, only takes like 20 minutes or less luckily |
| 23:05.32 | pinotree | Slack4020: talking yet? |
| 23:05.38 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: i used to be an op for a few larger size channels and even i would get mad and just ban people .........ops style irc is dictatorship |
| 23:05.40 | Renze | Slack4020: but you have absolutely no say in how this channel is operated |
| 23:05.49 | Slack4020 | Renze: very true |
| 23:05.59 | MinceR | no it isn't dictatorship if the ops are reasonable |
| 23:06.02 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 23:06.04 | Firztspawn | anyway, I want to know if in Konqueror you can open a search from the google toolbar into a new background tab? |
| 23:06.07 | Slack4020 | reasonable dictator ? |
| 23:06.08 | endra | ok guys <3 thanks for the help |
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| 23:06.22 | MinceR | you were claiming dictatorship, not me |
| 23:06.24 | Sutoka | Firztspawn: i think only if you lock the current tab |
| 23:06.40 | Slack4020 | when someone judges your fate ......one person that is dictator |
| 23:06.57 | Sutoka | Firztspawn: nvm about that idea |
| 23:07.01 | pinotree | i'm judging your presence HERE |
| 23:07.05 | pinotree | not anywhere else |
| 23:07.07 | Renze | Slack4020: when ops kickban someone from here, the majority of people are glad of it |
| 23:07.27 | Slack4020 | all i did was comment is 32 kb mpeg audio was bad nothing more |
| 23:07.38 | Slack4020 | sorry for the so off topic question |
| 23:07.40 | pinotree | ahahahahaha |
| 23:07.49 | Renze | Slack4020: you've been talking non-stop about video encoding for days |
| 23:07.52 | pinotree | it's not the first time you asked that, dude |
| 23:07.53 | MinceR | "ops" implies there's no such "one person" |
| 23:07.55 | Slack4020 | i will let you guys carry on with th suse vs MS dicusssion for another 20 mins |
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| 23:08.00 | MinceR | you know, plural. |
| 23:08.02 | mBehl | Firztspawn: Hold the CTRL key pressed and hit enter. |
| 23:08.03 | hollywoodb | is there a difference in font rendering under KDE in FreeBSD vs Linux ? I swear the fonts look crisper running 3.5.3 on PCBSD |
| 23:08.05 | Slack4020 | Renze: do you realize you keep it going ? |
| 23:08.18 | Renze | Slack4020: um, the Suse vs MS discussion is already over |
| 23:08.20 | pinotree | Slack4020: only 10 minutes, and they stopped on their own |
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| 23:08.34 | pinotree | ok, as he doesn't care me, i'll take care of him |
| 23:08.40 | Renze | Slack4020: I try to stop it at every opportunity... like even not talking much at all yesterday |
| 23:08.42 | Firztspawn | mBehl: no other way? can I not just set some config and press enter? |
| 23:08.51 | Sutoka | hollywoodb: possibly fontconfig was compiled/configured differently |
| 23:08.52 | Slack4020 | pinotree: im not gonna argue half the channel traffic is off topic |
| 23:08.58 | Renze | Slack4020: but you go on and on and on and on... |
| 23:09.12 | pinotree | Slack4020: while i'm here reading, offtopic is reduced as much i can |
| 23:09.20 | mBehl | Firztspawn: I just know of this way. |
| 23:09.29 | Firztspawn | mBehl: ok |
| 23:09.30 | pinotree | you can't even dare saying such shitting |
| 23:09.34 | Slack4020 | Renze: your the one who always starts politics discussions x10 worse then a mp3 audio |
| 23:09.50 | Renze | Slack4020: I don't like politics... you start those too |
| 23:09.53 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 23:09.55 | Slack4020 | no |
| 23:10.04 | Slack4020 | i join in |
| 23:10.07 | Slack4020 | but dont start |
| 23:10.18 | Renze | I don't start either... politics bores the crap out of me |
| 23:10.32 | *** mode/#kde [+o pinotree] by ChanServ |
| 23:10.34 | *** mode/#kde [+b Slack4020!*@*.insight.res.rr.com] by pinotree |
| 23:10.42 | *** kick/#kde [Slack4020!n=pino@kde/developer/pino] by pinotree (bye troll) |
| 23:10.46 | Renze | yay! |
| 23:10.51 | pinotree | *sigh* |
| 23:11.05 | _Sketch_ | Truly the stuff of human drama. :p |
| 23:12.08 | pinotree | Renze: o you know what? the "discussion about politics" took no more than 4 minutes |
| 23:12.24 | Renze | not like 4 days, huh? ;) |
| 23:12.56 | Renze | the constant "mpeg4 rocks" crap was getting very tiresome |
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| 23:14.06 | _Sketch_ | I wonder if he'll try to get KDE help on #mpeg. |
| 23:14.30 | Renze | or sexual dysfunction help on ##windows ;) |
| 23:14.50 | Renze | although that kinda works :D |
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| 23:14.59 | _Sketch_ | Yeah, I was going to mention that.. :p |
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| 23:16.26 | _Sketch_ | Ah.. In other news.. I'm having trouble getting transparent windows working in KDE. I enable them, and...nothing happens. Is there something I need to recompile, perhaps? |
| 23:16.35 | _Sketch_ | Debian Etch, KDE 3.5.5... |
| 23:16.41 | Renze | _Sketch_: is composite enabled in xorg.conf? |
| 23:17.30 | _Sketch_ | Searching the file for 'compo' gives me nothing, so I'd say no.. |
| 23:17.46 | Renze | Section "Extensions" |
| 23:17.46 | Renze | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.46 | Renze | EndSection |
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| 23:18.33 | _Sketch_ | Keen. Any other such tweaks that might be good? Or is there a list somewhere.. |
| 23:18.46 | Renze | that's all you need for xcomposite |
| 23:18.56 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: fyi, kompmgr isn't very stable |
| 23:19.17 | Renze | Sutoka: hopefully the kwin composite branch will do better ;) |
| 23:19.26 | _Sketch_ | Is kompmgr the control panel, or something else? |
| 23:19.29 | Sutoka | Renze: afaik, it already is |
| 23:19.36 | afaik | huh |
| 23:19.37 | Renze | kompmgr is the kde composite manager |
| 23:19.39 | Sutoka | kompmgr is kde 3.x's composite manager |
| 23:19.56 | Sutoka | afaik: you should really change your name if you don't wanna get random messages like that... |
| 23:20.00 | Renze | it is started when you enable translucency... or at least it should be |
| 23:20.10 | _Sketch_ | Aha. |
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| 23:21.08 | _Sketch_ | Oh. Is there a way to make two KDE setups, one for battery-powered, one for AC? This is a laptop... I imagine stuff like multiple transparent windows wouldn't be good for battey life. :p |
| 23:21.31 | Renze | not currently |
| 23:21.36 | _Sketch_ | Blast. |
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| 23:21.47 | Renze | there was talk of multiple session support, but I'm not sure if anything became of it |
| 23:22.11 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: multiple users! |
| 23:22.18 | Renze | _Sketch_: you could do some tricks with $KDEHOME, but it would be a messy hack |
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| 23:23.14 | Dr_Willis | i dont see how transparent windows would drain the battery the much more. |
| 23:23.25 | Sutoka | it'd make the processor do more work |
| 23:23.34 | Sutoka | much more work |
| 23:23.46 | Dr_Willis | from what i read. the biggest drain in laptop battery is the drives/disks |
| 23:24.02 | Dr_Willis | you could always manually throttle the cpu down to 50% :) |
| 23:24.02 | Renze | that's why we need solid state storage ;) |
| 23:24.10 | Dr_Willis | Renze: i hear thats comming soon. |
| 23:24.14 | Sutoka | well with kompmgr crashing every 5 minutes, im sure having to spin up the disk to reload it won't help ;-) |
| 23:24.26 | Renze | Dr_Willis: with flash prices dropping fast, it looks that way :) |
| 23:24.31 | Dr_Willis | im hearing 32gb flash drives to be out next year. |
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| 23:24.49 | Dr_Willis | even a 8 gb one - is good for a decent linux box. heh. |
| 23:24.58 | Sutoka | Renze: 2 days ago i say 256mb flash stick for MORE than 100 DVD-Rs |
| 23:25.06 | Dr_Willis | I should try to find a laptop-ide-to-cf or similer converter. |
| 23:25.09 | _Sketch_ | Actually, my CPU is a Pentium III, which has Enhanced Speedstep(TM!), so it can do rather fast switiching between high/low speeds.. |
| 23:25.10 | Sutoka | s/say/saw |
| 23:25.12 | Dr_Willis | my laptops hd died. |
| 23:25.16 | Sutoka | so they gotta go down a LOT more |
| 23:25.29 | Renze | Sutoka: yes, flash is still pricey... but solid state storage... *drool* |
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| 23:25.59 | Renze | no more spinning metal platters... |
| 23:26.14 | _Sketch_ | 30GB of solid state sounds a bit... ... Unrealistic. For a laptop. |
| 23:26.42 | _Sketch_ | ..Then again, a Nintendo DS cart is wafer-sized, and 1gb? Maybe not. Pricy though.. |
| 23:27.09 | Sutoka | when flash is less than 1000x the price of optical media, then it'll start becoming realistic |
| 23:27.16 | Sutoka | POSSIBLY start... |
| 23:27.18 | Dr_Willis | They got 8gb sticks out for the PSP now. |
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| 23:27.41 | Dr_Willis | psp cards are way tiny. :) |
| 23:27.42 | Renze | Dr_Willis: too bad I'm poor ;/ |
| 23:28.07 | Dr_Willis | I dont use my psp much any more. No more videos at work for me. |
| 23:29.35 | Renze | http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50704824/Memory_Stick_Pro_Duo.summ.jpg <‒ this looks to scale on my 19" LCD :) |
| 23:30.25 | _Sketch_ | Don't flash cards have a limited life, though? |
| 23:30.39 | Dr_Willis | everything has limited life. |
| 23:30.51 | Renze | they're getting better... they used to be 10,000 writes, but some of them are up to a million now |
| 23:30.53 | pinotree | topic |
| 23:31.10 | _Sketch_ | Really? I thought it was much lower. Huh. |
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| 23:31.45 | Dr_Willis | a mini pc +Flashdrive + kde. be nifty |
| 23:32.10 | pinotree | ... |
| 23:32.30 | _Sketch_ | mini pc: KDE, flashdrive, laser-projected keyboard, holographic monitor. The whole thing fits in a cube smaller than your fist. |
| 23:32.41 | _Sketch_ | And is worth more than you'll ever make.. :D |
| 23:33.46 | Sutoka | isn't there supposed to be a binary called ksycoca or something to have kde rescan the configuration (or some settings)? |
| 23:33.56 | Renze | kbuildsycoca |
| 23:34.10 | Sutoka | ah! build |
| 23:34.16 | Renze | ksycoca is the cache itself |
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| 23:35.20 | Dr_Willis | coca? what does that mean anyway. :) i see it and think of chocklet |
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| 23:35.29 | Dr_Willis | coco coca caco? |
| 23:35.41 | Renze | sy = system, co = configuration, ca = cache |
| 23:35.44 | Renze | sycoca |
| 23:35.45 | Sutoka | heh, i always think the same thing |
| 23:35.48 | Sutoka | ah that makes sense |
| 23:35.59 | Dr_Willis | talk about a wordy 'command' :) |
| 23:36.25 | Dr_Willis | what no K at the front? what gives. Heh heh. |
| 23:36.37 | Renze | ksycoca, then :) |
| 23:36.38 | Sutoka | Dr_Willis: ksycoca |
| 23:37.31 | Dr_Willis | some day i would like to see the Gnome and kde guys get a little organized on their naming schemes. :( always trying K<somegnomeishname> or gnome-<somekdeishname> |
| 23:37.46 | Dr_Willis | but its getting better i guess. |
| 23:37.48 | Renze | Dr_Willis: the k<something> is going away |
| 23:37.56 | pinotree | Renze: not really |
| 23:38.07 | Renze | pinotree: well, not as heavy as it was, anyway ;) |
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| 23:38.27 | Renze | Dr_Willis: ask the unix people ;) |
| 23:38.46 | _Sketch_ | Dr_Willis: In the early days of UNIX, it was eaten by a grue. |
| 23:38.57 | Renze | damn those pesky grues! |
| 23:39.07 | Dr_Willis | or was it a lantern/ |
| 23:39.07 | Sutoka | Dr_Willis: you were eaten by a grue |
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| 23:39.12 | kelvie | is there an addon/module for Kwin that lets you name windows? |
| 23:39.24 | pinotree | kelvie: "name" ? |
| 23:39.27 | Renze | kelvie: what do you mean by "name windows"? |
| 23:39.30 | kelvie | as i, change the window title |
| 23:39.33 | kelvie | not the process name :p |
| 23:39.34 | Sutoka | kelvie: 'name' as in set the window title? i don't believe so... thats up to the windows themselves |
| 23:39.39 | kelvie | mmm alright |
| 23:39.54 | Dr_Willis | well with konsome - ya can do that excape sequence trick? |
| 23:39.57 | Dr_Willis | oops konsole. |
| 23:40.09 | kelvie | yeah with most pseudo terms it's easy |
| 23:40.12 | pinotree | that's only a title for the sessione |
| 23:40.14 | pinotree | -e |
| 23:40.31 | pinotree | but there will be always the trailing " - Konsole" |
| 23:40.47 | b4mm | how do i set the path permanently within X? /etc/default/login is only for console. |
| 23:40.54 | Renze | kelvie: try kde-app-name ‒caption "blah" |
| 23:40.58 | thiago | b4mm: "set hte path permanently" |
| 23:41.01 | pinotree | .bashrc |
| 23:41.03 | thiago | b4mm: do you mean $PATH? |
| 23:41.14 | kelvie | Renze: mm I'd like to do it with existing windows, but oh well |
| 23:41.20 | kelvie | Renze: can't have it all I guess :p |
| 23:41.26 | Renze | kelvie: no such animal, I'm afraid |
| 23:41.30 | _Sketch_ | This reminds me.. Apparently, KDE ignores or overwrites the colors I specify in my .xdefaults file. What's going on? |
| 23:42.00 | Renze | _Sketch_: do you have "Apply colours to non-KDE applications" ticked in Colours in kcontrol? |
| 23:42.03 | Sutoka | _Sketch_:i don't believe kde uses .xdefaults, you could put a script in ~/.kde/env that sets the variables though |
| 23:42.27 | _Sketch_ | env? Not Autostart? |
| 23:42.40 | Sutoka | env is meant for setting environmental variables |
| 23:42.44 | Renze | env runs before any KDE components, Autostart runs after |
| 23:42.47 | Sutoka | Autostart is meant for autostarting programs |
| 23:43.08 | Sutoka | env stuff shouldn't output anything to stdout/err i believe |
| 23:43.21 | b4mm | thiago: yes |
| 23:43.32 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: were you the one trying to use skim? |
| 23:43.37 | _Sketch_ | Sutoka: I am. |
| 23:43.54 | thiago | b4mm: what pinotree said then |
| 23:43.54 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: well now im having to recompile kdelibs because i recompiled qt lol |
| 23:44.06 | Renze | Sutoka: ha! ;) |
| 23:44.14 | _Sketch_ | Sutoka: thud! Well, no hurry. |
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| 23:44.25 | pinotree | Sutoka: which qt version? |
| 23:44.31 | Renze | Sutoka: do you use ccache? |
| 23:44.35 | b4mm | pinotree: set it in .bashrc? |
| 23:44.41 | pinotree | yep |
| 23:44.42 | Sutoka | Renze: yes |
| 23:44.49 | Renze | Sutoka: well, that should help a little |
| 23:44.49 | b4mm | ok |
| 23:44.57 | pinotree | export PATH=/new/dir/:${PATH} |
| 23:45.11 | Sutoka | Renze: it'll only take around 25-50 minutes... :-/ |
| 23:46.04 | Renze | anywho, gonna go to the supermarket for more cat puke |
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| 23:46.42 | Sutoka | Renze: yay! |
| 23:46.47 | b4mm | pinotree: that doesnt work |
| 23:47.10 | pinotree | the changes will be active from the next login |
| 23:47.18 | b4mm | console and X-windows read diff files for PATH |
| 23:47.20 | pinotree | or you can try quickly by doing |
| 23:47.31 | pinotree | source ~/.bashrc |
| 23:47.37 | pinotree | hm? |
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| 23:48.11 | b4mm | your cmd worked by putting it in /etc/default/login for console but not KDE |
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| 23:49.05 | b4mm | buill look for .bashrc |
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| 23:49.45 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: i can't even figure out how to use skim, i've started it but i don't know how to do anything other than edit its config x.x |
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| 23:50.17 | _Sketch_ | On the other hand, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that thinks it's nuts.. :P |
| 23:50.17 | endra | hey |
| 23:50.35 | endra | I was here earlier asking about a FTP client that supported PRET and SSL, etc |
| 23:50.39 | _Sketch_ | What I finally did to get it working was.. 'im-switch skim', I think. |
| 23:50.42 | endra | Just wanted to let you guys know KFTPGrabber is a GREAT one |
| 23:50.47 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: it seems like none of the keyboard shortcuts do anything |
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| 23:51.15 | endra | I do have one question, is there a tool that monitors internet bandwidth? |
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| 23:51.36 | Renze | endra: kbandwidth? |
| 23:51.46 | endra | thanks, ill try it |
| 23:51.51 | Renze | endra: knemo? |
| 23:52.07 | Renze | endra: check kde-apps.org |
| 23:52.15 | endra | ok doing that now thanks |
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| 23:52.35 | _Sketch_ | Sutoka: Try im-switch skim from a terminal.. |
| 23:52.37 | endra | ahh just what I was looking for, kde-apps.org, thanks |
| 23:52.47 | Sutoka | _Sketch_: i don't have that command |
| 23:52.58 | _Sketch_ | Huh. |
| 23:53.00 | endra | oh one more thing, can I also have the taskbar change the programs when I switch desktop? |
| 23:53.17 | Renze | endra: check taskbar settings |
| 23:53.27 | pinotree | endra: or better, showing the programs of only the current desktop? |
| 23:53.34 | Renze | endra: right click, configure panel, go to taskbar page |
| 23:53.35 | endra | yes pinotree |
| 23:53.45 | endra | doing that now Renze :-) |
| 23:53.56 | Renze | untick "show windows from all desktops" |
| 23:53.59 | endra | Perfect! |
| 23:54.00 | endra | Got it! |
| 23:54.08 | endra | I love KDE so far :D |
| 23:54.19 | pinotree | :) |
| 23:54.26 | endra | Espectially KFTPGrabber, still little buggy though |
| 23:55.02 | endra | The 'threads' feature in KFTPGrabber is KICKASS. I find it better than FlashFXP to be honest, just needs to get a few things worked out, add a few extra features and its perfect |
| 23:55.11 | endra | If I knew how I'd add them myself :-D |
| 23:55.49 | Renze | endra: contact the authors listed in Help -> About KFTPGrabber |
| 23:56.31 | endra | You think they'd let me help? |
| 23:56.41 | pinotree | sure, why not? |
| 23:56.49 | _Sketch_ | They'd be more than willing to give you their work. ;) |
| 23:56.52 | endra | I cant program? |
| 23:56.53 | endra | :P |
| 23:56.57 | endra | Well, at least in linux |
| 23:57.09 | Renze | devs are people too ;) |
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| 23:57.37 | endra | some of them anyways |
| 23:59.09 | endra | I will most definitly contact them after I setup my mail program |
