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| 00:02.27 | K`zan | Hi folks, since the 3.5.5 update all my konsoles come up as root terminals, how can I fix that? TIA. |
| 00:02.58 | K`zan | Hi folks, since the 3.5.5 update all my konsoles come up as root terminals, how can I fix that? Distro is Gentoo. TIA. |
| 00:04.13 | SimAtWork | what distro? |
| 00:04.20 | SimAtWork | oh |
| 00:04.26 | SimAtWork | if you're using gentoo you should know |
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| 00:04.37 | SimAtWork | but check your /var/log/kdm* logs |
| 00:04.39 | K`zan | SimAtWork: Thanks, I asked just to be obtuse. |
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| 00:04.55 | SimAtWork | also try starting x manually (startx) |
| 00:05.10 | K`zan | I am starting it manually. Looking for the logs now. |
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| 00:05.33 | Alien_Freak | is there a way to make kde sort desktop icons automatically... i know it's a noob questions but i can't seem to get it |
| 00:06.17 | K`zan | No kde logs, oh well, I can do the ctl-alt thing to get one. Thanks anyway. |
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| 00:08.18 | SimAtWork | huh |
| 00:08.20 | SimAtWork | kdm |
| 00:08.20 | SimAtWork | not kde |
| 00:08.36 | SimAtWork | and if you have no kdm logs then maybe it's not trying to start kdm and hence your problem |
| 00:08.40 | SimAtWork | go configure your rc.conf etc. |
| 00:08.47 | SimAtWork | and add xdm to your default run level |
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| 00:09.19 | smileaf | SimAtWork: I think he left. |
| 00:09.27 | SimAtWork | oh |
| 00:09.28 | SimAtWork | yah |
| 00:09.35 | SimAtWork | i need to change the colour of join and parts |
| 00:09.46 | SimAtWork | this dark purple on black is pretty well illegible |
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| 00:25.58 | storyteller | Hello all |
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| 00:27.08 | storyteller | I just installed seom on my machine, which generates files with a .seom extension. I tried assigning that extension to seom-player, and now every time I click konqueror I get an error: Could not find mime type application/octet-stream....can anyone tell me how to fix this? |
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| 00:30.43 | storyteller | I think I got rid of the error by adding a flie association called application/octet-stream, but I hope that won't cause me issues later |
| 00:30.59 | trench- | i have an issue with kopete viewing a webcam...it starts, but it doesn't move...it's froze on the first frame |
| 00:32.11 | shiny | SimAtWork: no key presses work in side kde. |
| 00:32.21 | shiny | SimAtWork: (sorry , slow response) |
| 00:32.23 | SimAtWork | night all |
| 00:32.28 | shiny | :-( ... |
| 00:32.28 | SimAtWork | sorry shiny i'm going home |
| 00:32.33 | shiny | okay - night :) |
| 00:32.37 | SimAtWork | night! |
| 00:33.07 | shiny | My bizare kde problem - - no presses work in kde - |
| 00:33.15 | shiny | caplock light doesn't even toggle |
| 00:33.28 | shiny | however, keyboard works just fine in gdm |
| 00:33.31 | shiny | and in gnome |
| 00:33.37 | shiny | and works in fluxbox.. |
| 00:33.48 | shiny | it's only within a kde session that my keyboard does nothing |
| 00:34.09 | smacnay | MinceR: mbox and I use mutt in console to access the same mbox. |
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| 00:41.03 | MinceR | smacnay: does it work with mutt now? |
| 00:41.22 | MinceR | smacnay: if so, i suspect the problem is with the indexes kmail has built for the mbox |
| 00:41.27 | trench- | any kopete gurus? |
| 00:41.34 | MinceR | moving it out if its place might solve the problem |
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| 00:47.23 | StarScream | trench-: try #kopete |
| 00:49.22 | trench- | alright...thanks |
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| 00:51.31 | what_if | nm |
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| 01:06.55 | smacnay | MinceR: mutt works fine still - just kmail and what it displays for messages. |
| 01:07.30 | smacnay | trench-: I just removed kopete - looks nice but centericq does all I need in much less memory |
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| 01:08.12 | smacnay | trench-: unless I start using kontact and sending messages to an identity in the addressbook that would call kopete. |
| 01:08.12 | MinceR | smacnay: you may want to move ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail somewhere out of the way and see what it does |
| 01:08.22 | smacnay | MinceR: thanks for the suggestion |
| 01:09.04 | smacnay | MinceR: no file called 'mail' |
| 01:10.57 | MinceR | it's a directory |
| 01:11.05 | smacnay | no file either |
| 01:11.16 | MinceR | anything else in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ ? |
| 01:11.34 | MinceR | i suspect it keeps an index there in some form |
| 01:12.01 | smacnay | let me see |
| 01:12.10 | MinceR | or you could just move ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ |
| 01:12.31 | MinceR | (of course it won't do much if it's empty or nonexistent :) ) |
| 01:12.54 | smacnay | MinceR: autosave.index.ids |
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| 01:14.49 | smacnay | autosave |
| 01:14.49 | smacnay | autosave.index.ids |
| 01:14.49 | smacnay | dimap |
| 01:14.49 | smacnay | imap |
| 01:14.49 | smacnay | lock |
| 01:14.51 | smacnay | search |
| 01:14.56 | smacnay | that is what is in the kmail dir. |
| 01:16.40 | MinceR | well, just to be sure, i'd quit kmail and move the entire kmail dir somewhere out of ~/.kde/ and restart kmail |
| 01:18.47 | smacnay | MinceR: I moved kmail to kmail.bak and restarted kmail - same issueand noticed a new kmail dir. Something is not right. I will be happy to use mutt anyway. |
| 01:19.11 | MinceR | the new kmail dir is normal |
| 01:19.27 | MinceR | but then, it's not in the indexes -- but i have no idea where then |
| 01:19.35 | MinceR | maybe kmail thinks the mbox is somewhere else than it really is? |
| 01:19.56 | MinceR | have you looked into the mbox file? maybe mutt looks elsewhere, using its own copy or something |
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| 01:23.35 | smacnay | MinceR: the first 20-30 messages are as they should appear, everything after that is borked. I did remove a lot of old messages in mutt yesterday and maybe kmail didn't pick up the changes. The earliest deleted message would be at about the same place as the borked messages start appearing. |
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| 01:25.40 | MinceR | maybe mutt has its old indexes and as a result skips around the garbage? |
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| 01:42.18 | black_13 | how do take a screen shot of app? |
| 01:42.31 | Renze | ksnapshot |
| 01:44.37 | black_13 | take a look at this how do i get rid of the odd font behavior http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1kj8.png |
| 01:45.39 | Renze | I've seen similar problems from other debian users... and they found solutions on the debian forums |
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| 01:48.49 | BonBonTheJon | anyone know how to either change the size of the systemtray icons, or increase the size of the Mac OS-bar |
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| 01:49.44 | black_13 | Renze you know debian guys they are so so |
| 01:49.50 | black_13 | bull headed |
| 01:50.01 | Renze | black_13: well, I can't help you because I don't use debian |
| 01:50.20 | black_13 | if you cant help you cant help |
| 01:50.30 | black_13 | but isnt this a kde issue? |
| 01:50.38 | Renze | and it seems, from past experience, to be a debian problem |
| 01:50.47 | Renze | incorrect setting somewhere, I think |
| 01:51.14 | Theory | black_13: that looks rather like an encoding issue to me |
| 01:51.28 | Renze | or termcap |
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| 01:51.31 | Theory | have you tried playing with different options from settings->encoding? |
| 01:52.13 | black_13 | where would i go to fix that? |
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| 01:52.38 | Theory | black_13: the konsole menu... |
| 01:54.58 | Renze | black_13: also try 'echo $TERM' |
| 01:55.34 | black_13 | xterm |
| 01:55.45 | Renze | ok, it's not termcap |
| 01:56.23 | Theory | what does echo $LANG give you? |
| 01:56.57 | black_13 | en_US |
| 01:57.46 | Theory | what font do you have konsole set to use? |
| 01:57.59 | Theory | (Settings->Font->Select) |
| 01:58.31 | Renze | here's hoping he's not a debian stable user ;) |
| 01:58.35 | Theory | heh |
| 01:58.40 | black_13 | medium |
| 01:58.43 | Renze | I can't even remember KDE 3.3 :D |
| 01:59.28 | black_13 | Renze i have to use this version this is the version that is for this motherboard |
| 01:59.30 | Theory | hrm, likewise |
| 01:59.53 | Renze | they have specific versions for motherboards now? |
| 01:59.56 | Renze | bizarre |
| 02:00.23 | black_13 | ever here of change management? |
| 02:00.26 | black_13 | hear |
| 02:00.40 | Renze | uh? |
| 02:01.02 | Theory | I'm guessing you are using a font that doesn't have the line drawing symbols as part of it |
| 02:01.22 | Theory | see if you can find a way to try some other fonts |
| 02:01.30 | black_13 | sure |
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| 02:17.48 | Chrille1 | anybody have yahoo chat working in linux |
| 02:18.26 | Renze | Chrille1: not the official client, but via kopete yes |
| 02:18.51 | Chrille1 | renze does it really work? |
| 02:19.05 | Renze | of course it works |
| 02:19.05 | Chrille1 | renze do you have that program now |
| 02:19.13 | Renze | I'm on yahoo right now |
| 02:19.28 | Renze | as well as msn, jabber, icq, and aim |
| 02:19.45 | Chrille1 | renze okay join japan4 room right now |
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| 02:20.07 | Renze | kopete doesn't do yahoo chat rooms |
| 02:20.19 | Chrille1 | lol, you just told me |
| 02:20.23 | black_13 | Theory any ideas |
| 02:20.26 | Chrille1 | [18:18] <Chrille1> renze does it really work? |
| 02:20.26 | Renze | no great loss really... I hear that yahoo chat rooms suck |
| 02:20.27 | Chrille1 | [18:19] <Chrille1> renze do you have that program now |
| 02:20.27 | Chrille1 | [18:19] <Renze> of course it works |
| 02:20.27 | Chrille1 | [18:19] <Renze> I'm on yahoo right now |
| 02:20.42 | Renze | Chrille1: yahoo is an IM client... I use it for instant messaging, not group chats |
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| 02:21.01 | Chrille1 | renze what is your yahoo screenname |
| 02:21.06 | Renze | renze_nz |
| 02:21.12 | Theory | hrm, not this late at night |
| 02:21.13 | Jucato | hm.. |
| 02:21.14 | Jucato | :) |
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| 02:22.31 | black_13 | dude if ou run mc -a the problem is total fixed |
| 02:23.25 | Chrille1 | anybody have yahoo chat working in linux |
| 02:23.43 | Chrille1 | because renze have proved kopete doesn't work |
| 02:24.00 | Renze | are you referring to chatrooms or voice chat? |
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| 02:24.09 | Chrille1 | renze both |
| 02:24.18 | Chrille1 | renze chatrooms have voicechat |
| 02:24.30 | Renze | kopete doesn't do either of those yet... the yahoo plugin has quite a low priority, iirc |
| 02:25.03 | Renze | feel free to contribute code to implement those features, however ;) |
| 02:25.16 | Chrille1 | then what program does support it |
| 02:25.25 | Chrille1 | because yahoo messenger doesn't |
| 02:25.37 | Renze | then you're out of luck, I think |
| 02:25.54 | Renze | if the official client doesn't do it... |
| 02:27.22 | MinceR | bitlbee seems to support yahoo |
| 02:27.31 | MinceR | i haven't tested since i don't have an account there though |
| 02:27.43 | Renze | MinceR: but probably not voice chat |
| 02:27.47 | MinceR | yeah |
| 02:27.57 | MinceR | very likely no voice chat |
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| 02:34.06 | BonBonTheJon | anyone know how to increase the size of the Mac OS-style bar |
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| 02:40.39 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 02:40.53 | lkthomas | which KDE program can draw network diagram ? |
| 02:41.21 | Renze | kivio, using dia's models |
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| 03:10.40 | method| | i have an interesting problem. I have a .m3u file. I would like to burn all the mp3s contained in that mp3 file to a data disc. Is there anyway to take that .m3u file and convert it to a .k3b file? |
| 03:10.59 | method| | or is there a way to import the mp3s into k3b using the .m3u file? |
| 03:11.35 | Renze | good question... but I disposed of all my m3u files when I started using amarok ;) |
| 03:12.47 | Renze | somehow I don't think so |
| 03:13.08 | Renze | make a feature suggestion, perhaps? |
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| 03:17.10 | lnxkde | wow this is nice! I dint know the author of baghira was the one giving form for the KDE4 oxygen style :) |
| 03:17.46 | lnxkde | is there any preview? |
| 03:17.53 | Renze | it's nice? I don't like baghira |
| 03:18.04 | Renze | not yet, afaik |
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| 03:26.37 | pembo13 | can anyone help me out? i just don't get the bubble messages from Kopete anymore (since I reisntalled) - and yes, I turned it on in the options |
| 03:26.49 | pembo13 | are there any other options which may block it? |
| 03:27.17 | pembo13 | i have Kopete 0.12.3 |
| 03:27.49 | Renze | so you have it set to use the message queue? |
| 03:28.44 | pembo13 | Renze: i believe, will double check... |
| 03:29.38 | pembo13 | Renze: thanks...didn't know all that had to be on |
| 03:29.59 | Renze | the balloon is the message queue ;) |
| 03:30.28 | pembo13 | Renze: okay....i can't remember that option existing pre-install |
| 03:30.49 | Renze | things do change between versions |
| 03:31.11 | pembo13 | Renze: that they do |
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| 03:34.17 | wolsni | method|: did you figure anything out? |
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| 03:35.36 | method| | wolsni: nope |
| 03:35.39 | shevegen | ok firefox just refused to load for me with a AT_SPI_REGISTRY problem... so guess its konqueror time for serious now :D |
| 03:36.03 | wolsni | method|: let me pastebin a script for you |
| 03:36.10 | shevegen | one question though, middle click on a link -> open in new tab, where could i define this for konqueror? |
| 03:36.29 | method| | wolsni: greatly appreciated |
| 03:36.52 | Renze | shevegen: settings -> configure konqueror, web behaviour page, under tabbed browsing |
| 03:36.52 | wolsni | http://pastebin.com/826293 |
| 03:37.00 | shevegen | thanks |
| 03:37.04 | wolsni | method|: pass the m3u as an argument to that |
| 03:37.08 | method| | thanks i bunch i will have a look |
| 03:37.10 | method| | a* |
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| 03:40.45 | lkthomas | question |
| 03:40.49 | lkthomas | I am on kivio now |
| 03:40.52 | lkthomas | how could I use Dia ? |
| 03:41.15 | lkthomas | nevermind, found it |
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| 04:59.00 | IamEthos | so I have ksmoothdock running, and it moves the icons on the desktop so that it will not cover them, regardless of where it is positioned, but in doing this it seems that it is also resetting the icon positioning done by other panels so that icons will not be covered by them. |
| 04:59.08 | IamEthos | is there any way around this wonky behavior? |
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| 05:45.04 | kikr__ | when viewing an image in Konqueror, and right clicking on it, what does "Send Image..." do? |
| 05:45.42 | Half-Left | kikr__: send to kmail I believe |
| 05:46.20 | kikr__ | what's kmail? like a kmail account? |
| 05:46.32 | Jucato | e-mail client, like thunderbird |
| 05:47.06 | Renze | ok, who sent the rain here... fess up |
| 05:47.06 | kikr__ | when I did it... an app tried opening up "KCheckGmail"... then nothing happened |
| 05:47.17 | BonBonTheJon | how can I change the height of the Mac OS-style panel |
| 05:47.24 | Renze | BonBonTheJon: you can't |
| 05:47.36 | Half-Left | kikr__: you have to setup kmail |
| 05:47.43 | Jucato | Renze: I think I did |
| 05:47.48 | Jucato | because it's so damn hot here |
| 05:47.59 | BonBonTheJon | Renze: ok, how can I change the size of the icons in the system tray |
| 05:48.08 | Jucato | you can't do that either, afaik |
| 05:48.19 | kikr__ | Half-Left, so I guess it didn't send the picture then huh? |
| 05:48.24 | Renze | BonBonTheJon: there is a way to do that, but I forget... it's manually editing a config file somewhere |
| 05:48.33 | BonBonTheJon | Jucato: I tried to make my computer look like a mac, but the icons are cut off |
| 05:48.42 | Half-Left | kikr__: well, if you dont have kmail setup then how can it? |
| 05:48.51 | kikr__ | true |
| 05:49.07 | Half-Left | just setup your gmail account in it |
| 05:49.27 | Half-Left | then it should attach your file to the email |
| 05:50.35 | Jucato | grr.. |
| 05:51.04 | Renze | I like lightning |
| 05:51.48 | Jucato | not good for your appliances though :P |
| 05:52.22 | Renze | there's a line of high voltage power pylons along the crest of the hills... they will draw all the strikes |
| 05:52.46 | Jucato | not good enough. I sent lots |
| 05:53.14 | Renze | I'm at the bottom of a valley... there's LOTS of stuff higher than this house ;) |
| 05:53.28 | Jucato | there's always that one chance :) |
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| 05:53.36 | Jucato | besides, it doesn't need to hit your house directly |
| 05:53.54 | Jucato | all it needs to do is disrupt the power supply in the whole area |
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| 06:12.12 | Renze | christmas... bah humbug... |
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| 06:18.42 | somekool | can we create method dynamicaly in C++? |
| 06:23.03 | Ard0nik | somekool: not really, but! See boost::lamba and boost::function. |
| 06:23.16 | Ard0nik | In fact, see boost::*. It rules. |
| 06:23.22 | Jucato | any suggestions for a program that converts docbook to pdf? |
| 06:23.35 | Ard0nik | Not from me. |
| 06:23.41 | Jucato | :) |
| 06:23.54 | Ard0nik | ...oh |
| 06:25.57 | Renze | Jucato: you could always make one ;) |
| 06:26.16 | Jucato | well, I was planning on making a free PDF reader for symbian. lol |
| 06:26.21 | Jucato | j/k |
| 06:27.21 | Jucato | sucks.. of all the koffice apps that doesn't have a pdf version of the handbook, it had to be kword... |
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| 06:32.54 | Renze | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrggh! |
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| 06:37.48 | somekool | Ardonik: I have to stay standard, I dont think I can include extra libs |
| 06:38.23 | Ardonik | somekool: Boost is made by some of the developers from the C++ standards committee. It isn't just your average third-party library. |
| 06:38.49 | Ardonik | A lot of boost goes into the C++ standard after it's been well-tested in boost. Where do you think tr1::shared_ptr came from? |
| 06:38.56 | somekool | do I have to download something? |
| 06:39.37 | somekool | I don't want to talk against boost, I'm sure its very good. but the work I am doing is for a test for a job. and there is one question about STL that is quite advance to me I think. |
| 06:39.38 | Ardonik | Yes, libboost-devel, which your distro very likely already has a package for. |
| 06:39.44 | somekool | want to hear more about it ? |
| 06:40.23 | somekool | well, If I have no choice, I'll think about shipping boost with my test. but I'd like to try without first. |
| 06:40.44 | Ardonik | If your effort is serious, you'll end up reimplementing something in boost. |
| 06:40.58 | somekool | that is totally possible. |
| 06:41.04 | Ardonik | When I made my own reference-counted smart pointer, it ended up being just like boost::shared_ptr, except with fewer unit tests. |
| 06:41.24 | somekool | can I explain you my problem, maybe it is something you already know? |
| 06:41.42 | Ardonik | I thought it was "can C++ create dynamic functions." |
| 06:42.19 | somekool | haha ;) hehe, I actually have to do something. I need to be able to query the type of a STL class and create a function for it. |
| 06:42.41 | somekool | template <class T, class U> |
| 06:42.41 | somekool | struct Typelist { typedef T Head; typedef U Tail; }; |
| 06:43.43 | somekool | I need to create a STL class, that could receive a Typelist as the template class. and then, what ever T and U are. I could create a function such as |
| 06:43.57 | somekool | voir print ( T.Head value) {} |
| 06:44.24 | somekool | now, I have two problems. |
| 06:44.58 | somekool | 1 - I'm not sure exactly how to access T.Head and T.Tail, "T.Head" does not seems to actually compile. |
| 06:45.25 | somekool | 2 - if T.Tail is of type Typelist, I have to create two more methods like. |
| 06:45.33 | Ardonik | This isn't Java. ::Head, not .Head. |
| 06:45.34 | somekool | voir print ( T.Tail.Head value) {} |
| 06:45.38 | Jucato | does Kate have a spellcheck as you type feature? Like Konqueror and Konversation? |
| 06:45.44 | somekool | :: ok, thanks |
| 06:46.03 | Ardonik | Jucato: I use flyspell-buffer in emacs for that |
| 06:46.06 | somekool | you answered my problem #1 thank you very much. |
| 06:46.21 | Jucato | Ardonik: is there a Kate equivalent? |
| 06:46.28 | somekool | now, how could I test if Tail is another Typelist? do you know? |
| 06:46.39 | somekool | cuz, then I could have to implement. |
| 06:47.04 | Ardonik | By sticking something inside the Typelist class that only Typelists have and then attempting to use that feature from the template code. |
| 06:47.14 | somekool | voir print ( T::Tail::Head value) {} AND voir print ( T::Tail::Tail value) {} ( unless T::Tail::Tail is another Typelist, recursively.) |
| 06:47.43 | Ardonik | ::Tail and ::Head will only work for Typelists (and anything which similarly fulfills those requirements) anyway. |
| 06:48.02 | Ardonik | The more Typelist-specific features you use, the less likely a generic class will compile when passed into the template function. |
| 06:48.21 | somekool | make sense, how can I do the test? #ifdef T::Tail::Head ? |
| 06:48.34 | Ardonik | No. Just write your code normally. No tests. |
| 06:48.51 | Ardonik | It'll compile for typelists and it won't compile for things that don't do the things your code expects Typelists to do. |
| 06:48.52 | somekool | but I need to know when it ends. |
| 06:49.18 | Ardonik | Other than that, you don't *truly* care if a Typelist per se is being given to you. If you did, you'd be testing for typeid, and that's an antipattern anyway. |
| 06:49.41 | somekool | typeid? |
| 06:49.47 | Ardonik | Template methods impose requirements. Arguments to template methods fulfill requirements. |
| 06:50.04 | Ardonik | #include <typeinfo> |
| 06:51.24 | somekool | haha, #2 returns something from kdepim !!! ROCKS ! |
| 06:51.25 | somekool | http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=include+typeinfo&btnG=Search+Code |
| 06:51.51 | Ardonik | somekool: I suppose it's too late to tell you that libboost has already implemented a STATIC_ASSERT macro that solves the same problem. |
| 06:52.03 | Ardonik | I think you should seriously consider using boost. |
| 06:52.17 | somekool | I dont know if I am allowed., its for a test |
| 06:52.45 | somekool | but I do really need to test if T::Tail is a Typelist |
| 06:52.56 | somekool | at compile time, not a run time |
| 06:53.03 | Ardonik | No you don't--you need to know if T::Tail does and has the things that you think a Typelist should have. |
| 06:53.20 | somekool | that's why I thought of #ifdef T::Tail::Head |
| 06:53.21 | Ardonik | Who cares if it's a derived class of Typelist, or a class with a different name but the same member functions and nested types? |
| 06:53.59 | somekool | ok, there is something else I did not tell you. |
| 06:54.18 | somekool | this is to instance of what needs to work. |
| 06:54.19 | somekool | MyClass<UsableTypes1> hogehoge; |
| 06:54.20 | somekool | MyClass<UsableTypes2> blhablha; |
| 06:54.30 | somekool | the test is to define MyClass |
| 06:54.44 | somekool | now, look at what UsableTypes 1 and 2 looks like |
| 06:54.52 | somekool | typedef Typelist<int,Typelist<float,Typelist<char*,NullType> > > UsableTypes1; |
| 06:54.52 | somekool | typedef Typelist<short,Typelist<std::string,NullType> > UsableTypes2; |
| 06:55.00 | Chrille1 | what is better? zune or ipod |
| 06:55.11 | Ardonik | Doesn't matter what the UsableType classes look like. |
| 06:55.12 | somekool | Chrille1: ipod ;) |
| 06:55.16 | Renze | Chrille1: neither if they don't play ogg vorbis |
| 06:55.18 | Ardonik | template <typename T> class MyClass. |
| 06:55.23 | Ardonik | Renze: agreed. |
| 06:55.47 | Ardonik | somekool: then start using T as if T were a Typelist. That is, T::Head, T::Tail. |
| 06:56.09 | Ardonik | That's all. The compiler will ensure that only instances of classes fulfilling the Typelist requirements are passed. |
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| 06:56.33 | somekool | Ardonik: yes, i understand that. you are right. until the next step. |
| 06:56.43 | somekool | If T::Tail is another Typelist, I need to define |
| 06:56.50 | somekool | voir print ( T::Tail::Head value) {} AND voir print ( T::Tail::Tail value) {} ( unless T::Tail::Tail is another Typelist, recursively.) |
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| 06:57.13 | somekool | and if T::Tail::Tail is another Typelist I need to define .... |
| 06:57.20 | Ardonik | somekool: just your average template metaprogram. Use template specialization. |
| 06:57.24 | somekool | voir print ( T::Tail::Tail::Head value) {} AND voir print ( T::Tail::Tail::Tail value) {} ( unless T::Tail::Tail is another Typelist, recursively.) |
| 06:57.24 | somekool | see ? |
| 06:57.30 | Ardonik | Yes. easy. |
| 06:57.37 | somekool | ok, i dont see it |
| 06:57.48 | Ardonik | google("template metaprogramming"); |
| 06:58.14 | somekool | ok, I'll check into that, give it a serious start and hopefully I won't come back with that questio anymore;) |
| 06:58.16 | Ardonik | You define a specialized end case, and then a normal case that is not specialized, and refers to the "next case down." |
| 06:58.34 | Renze | ah, the joy of strongly typed languages ;) |
| 06:58.43 | somekool | thanks for all your help, you definitely helped me a lot, and one day ( I hope so ) your help will help KDE |
| 06:58.46 | Ardonik | C++ is excellent. |
| 06:59.02 | Ardonik | somekool: no need to wait--you can start sending in patches right now. |
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| 06:59.25 | Jucato | class dismissed already? |
| 06:59.33 | Ardonik | The moral of today's conversation: Boost: it's what's for dinner. |
| 06:59.35 | Renze | Jucato: were you taking notes? ;) |
| 06:59.48 | dklon | holy wow big channel |
| 06:59.53 | Jucato | no. I think I enteredt the wrong classroom :P |
| 07:00.01 | Renze | dklon: big? no way... try #gentoo ;) |
| 07:00.03 | somekool | Jucato: not that I would not want to continue, but I need to do some work on my own as well. |
| 07:00.17 | dklon | my first time back on IRC since 1996 |
| 07:00.22 | Jucato | I presumed this was the KDE 101 or the C++ 101 classroom... |
| 07:00.33 | somekool | dklon: congrats |
| 07:00.37 | Renze | Jucato: not 101 ;) |
| 07:00.42 | Jucato | definitely... |
| 07:00.48 | dklon | this is the developer's channel, isn't it? |
| 07:00.51 | somekool | 401 ? |
| 07:00.53 | Jucato | no |
| 07:00.56 | Renze | #kde-devel |
| 07:00.58 | dklon | ah |
| 07:00.58 | Jucato | dklon: this is the user's channel |
| 07:01.04 | dklon | of which i am using |
| 07:01.05 | dklon | KDE |
| 07:01.14 | dklon | not the latest/greatest yet, but not that far behind |
| 07:01.34 | dklon | went through 4 different IRC clients tonight before i used Konversation for this |
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| 07:02.08 | dklon | closest thing to mIRC that i can remember |
| 07:02.15 | Renze | blasphemer! |
| 07:02.20 | dklon | from waaaaaaaaaay back |
| 07:02.20 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:02.31 | dklon | hahahahaha |
| 07:02.49 | somekool | Konversation is the best IRC client of all plateform. you can't compare it with the worst windows crap |
| 07:02.57 | Ardonik | dklon: seriously, poke your head into #gentoo if you want to be overwhelmed |
| 07:03.09 | dklon | how's the 3.5 series compared to 3.4.0? |
| 07:03.12 | emss | somekool: epic5 is very nice :) |
| 07:03.19 | dklon | lemme jump into gentoo and take a look there too |
| 07:03.21 | somekool | dklon: which one have you tried before? |
| 07:03.37 | emss | dklon: 3.5.x is much better |
| 07:03.37 | dklon | the other clients i tried? |
| 07:04.02 | dklon | before Konversation, i tried bitchx, zircon, sirc, and one other one that was in Tcl |
| 07:04.12 | Sho_ | dklon: Which version of Konversation do you have? |
| 07:04.23 | somekool | I like bitchx, as long as you got the win.irc script. |
| 07:04.32 | dklon | 0.16 #3000 |
| 07:04.41 | dklon | that's the version i'm using now |
| 07:04.43 | Renze | oooooold |
| 07:04.50 | dklon | yeah, but still better than anything else |
| 07:05.04 | Renze | 1.0.1 is MUCH nicer |
| 07:05.05 | dklon | oh, and gentoo was HUGE |
| 07:05.12 | Renze | dklon: told you ;) |
| 07:05.16 | dklon | is 1.0.1 compatible with KDE 3.4.0? |
| 07:05.23 | emss | dklon: #debian is larger :) |
| 07:05.25 | Sho_ | dklon: Wow, that's pretty ancient -- you can look forward to two years worth of advancement and improvement when you get around to upgrading to 1.0.x =) |
| 07:05.33 | Sho_ | dklon: Yes, 3.4 and higher |
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| 07:05.45 | dklon | cool, i'll have to hit it up then |
| 07:06.18 | dklon | i briefly tried out 3.5 on a newer Knoppix live CD, and i really liked it |
| 07:06.36 | dklon | just gotta get all of my stuff backed up off this old machine and get my new one running on a good distro |
| 07:06.36 | Renze | it gets better all the time |
| 07:06.42 | dklon | how's Kubuntu? |
| 07:06.46 | dklon | anybody tried that one? |
| 07:06.56 | emss | well was untill it move to another ircnet :( |
| 07:06.59 | somekool | dklon: what happen for the last two years? you've been on a different planet? |
| 07:07.22 | Renze | he probably went back to the dark side |
| 07:07.26 | dklon | somekool: nope not really |
| 07:07.27 | Renze | ;) |
| 07:07.37 | dklon | i do have a Windows machine around here somewhere, maybe out in the garage |
| 07:07.38 | Sho_ | dklon: Kubuntu is great |
| 07:07.46 | emss | dklon: I would run Debian over any Ubuntu |
| 07:07.57 | somekool | dklon: my opinion on distro is quite simple, depending on the User type you are. Kubuntu or Gentoo. |
| 07:07.58 | Renze | distrowar!!! |
| 07:08.04 | dklon | i've been working with one of my home-rolled distros |
| 07:08.22 | dklon | but i think i'm ready to just move over |
| 07:08.33 | emss | use Gentoo if you want to wait for everything to compile :) |
| 07:08.47 | Renze | my flatmate uses kubuntu... he's on his third reinstall ;) |
| 07:08.51 | dklon | i liked the fact that Kubuntu was built on a Debian system, which is one of my own personal prefs, but hey, everybody's got their own tastes |
| 07:09.01 | somekool | Sho_: does kubuntu has laptop specific features? I use gentoo on my laptop, and I feel a bit left of |
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| 07:09.26 | dklon | there's a couple of little laptop-centric things for KDE that were nice for me |
| 07:09.40 | somekool | Renze: i guess you have no choice to upgrade kubuntu every 6 months eh. |
| 07:09.41 | dklon | like controlling the Synaptics touchpad for one |
| 07:10.02 | Renze | somekool: glad I don't have that problem ;) |
| 07:10.36 | emss | that's why you run Debian -unstable :) |
| 07:11.07 | Sho_ | somekool: The model-specific keys on my iBook, power management, suspend, and so on all worked out of the box |
| 07:11.07 | emss | make a nice up-to-date desktop without needing to compile |
| 07:11.26 | emss | Renze: why? |
| 07:11.40 | dklon | i think i'm still on the -stable branch with this laptop and KPackage |
| 07:11.45 | somekool | Ardonik: could you please elaborate a bit more on your "next case down" thing. i can't find anything... |
| 07:11.46 | Renze | emss: personal preference |
| 07:11.53 | emss | dklon: dist-upgrade :> |
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| 07:12.14 | Renze | emss: in the past, I've had nothing but problems with binary distros |
| 07:12.17 | dklon | emss: i tried it once before, the issue was with it not keeping my auto-KDE startup settings |
| 07:12.27 | Ardonik | somekool: think of proof by induction. Prove F(0), then prove that F(n) -> F(n + 1). |
| 07:12.40 | dklon | brb |
| 07:12.46 | Sho_ | dklon: Debian testing has Konversation 1.0.1, btw |
| 07:12.49 | somekool | Renze: me too, but actually I was saying that with no kubuntu experiences. I would like to beleive its possible to do binary system update without reinstalling. |
| 07:12.51 | Ardonik | Same thing. Define foo<0>, then define foo<n> so it uses or instantiates foo<n - 1>. |
| 07:13.26 | emss | somekool: you can use dist-upgrade probably |
| 07:13.36 | Renze | somekool: no, my flatmate had to reinstall because updating via Adept broke his system |
| 07:13.40 | somekool | Ardonik: yes but for C++ template? |
| 07:13.44 | Ardonik | Yes. |
| 07:14.02 | Ardonik | Use your imagination. Some up with a Typelist node that represents null. |
| 07:14.14 | emss | Renze: don't use gui junk like adept, use aptitude |
| 07:14.28 | Renze | emss: it's my flatmate... he's an ex-Apple zealot |
| 07:14.37 | Renze | he doesn't want to touch the command line |
| 07:14.38 | Ardonik | Define a print for that, and then define a print for the general case that calls the next level down. |
| 07:15.03 | Ardonik | Then a specially constructed typelist will evaluate its prints at compile time. |
| 07:15.08 | Ardonik | That's metaprogramming. |
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| 07:16.03 | somekool | i think no print() must be define for the NullType |
| 07:16.54 | Ardonik | Then good luck getting lists that include it to compile. |
| 07:18.35 | somekool | ok, |
| 07:19.34 | somekool | any other google keyword idea? |
| 07:19.49 | somekool | I see what you mean theoricaly but got no clue how to write it |
| 07:20.28 | Ardonik | There's only one way to find out. |
| 07:20.37 | Ardonik | And that is to whip out the editor and start trying this out. |
| 07:20.59 | Ardonik | You've discussed enough theory. Write a small template metaprogram that, say, evaluates N! at compile time. |
| 07:23.00 | somekool | yeah, I've seen this example, but it only an integer value. not a TYPE. a TYPE I need to use to define functions. like my class might have 2,3,4,5,6,7 functions, i dont know, its determine on compile time |
| 07:23.47 | Ardonik | There's no difference. |
| 07:24.08 | somekool | ok, I got an idea |
| 07:24.08 | Ardonik | Next case down, that's all that matters. |
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| 07:24.08 | Renze | only different in your mind </yoda> |
| 07:24.12 | Ardonik | "Next case down" for the null node is a no-op. |
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| 07:27.50 | somekool | through inheritance i loop, ok |
| 07:28.10 | Ardonik | I never mentioned inheritance. |
| 07:28.31 | dklon | back |
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| 07:28.41 | Renze | side |
| 07:29.10 | dklon | Ardonik: what about polymorphism? |
| 07:29.15 | Jucato | front |
| 07:30.04 | somekool | Ardonik: no you did not, i just thought about it as a way to implement this thing |
| 07:30.08 | Ardonik | dklon: template metaprogramming is a parallel polymorphism mechanism in C++. |
| 07:30.09 | dklon | or recursion? |
| 07:30.16 | Ardonik | Templates offer static polymorphism. |
| 07:30.17 | dklon | ah right |
| 07:30.27 | dklon | haven't done C++ template programming in a few years |
| 07:31.07 | Ardonik | Well, metaprogramming isn't static polymorphism per se. It's template classes and template functions that provide it. |
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| 07:31.22 | Ardonik | Metaprogramming is a useful consequence of the C++ template mechanism. |
| 07:31.39 | dklon | is this where all them new-fangled iterator things come in too? |
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| 07:32.28 | dklon | now i feel really old |
| 07:32.46 | Ardonik | dklon: your 1996 is showing if you think iterators are new-fangled. |
| 07:33.05 | dklon | Ardonik: quite so |
| 07:33.22 | dklon | though i would like to get back into C++ just to do some QT/KDE development |
| 07:33.30 | Ardonik | Doo eet |
| 07:33.47 | dklon | gotta go get the QT development libs and such |
| 07:35.25 | somekool | dklon: its my case two, no C++ in more than 3 years. and 3 years ago, it was pretty easy stuff. and now I got this test I would personally consider hardcore but I am very happy to go through it |
| 07:35.45 | somekool | I am at Question #8 for 11, so far so good |
| 07:36.08 | dklon | somekool: good luck, i remember mine were a bear but i got through them somehow |
| 07:36.27 | dklon | somekool: oh yeah, i didn't sleep for 62 hours hahaha |
| 07:37.01 | somekool | hehe, I slept between 5 and 6 very deep sleep ;) |
| 07:37.29 | dklon | good, that's all you need |
| 07:37.39 | dklon | can't be passing out onto your keyboard and drooling like i did |
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| 07:38.00 | somekool | i thought I was done, it looks complete, but does not work ;) hehe |
| 07:38.05 | Renze | you're not a real programmer until you've done that ;) |
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| 07:39.30 | somekool | http://rafb.net/paste/results/smbrsq38.html |
| 07:39.35 | somekool | Renze: thank you Renze ;) |
| 07:39.58 | Renze | somekool: I was referring to the drool in the keyboard comment ;) |
| 07:40.06 | somekool | hmm, I got it |
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| 07:40.29 | somekool | oh I see |
| 07:40.37 | Half-Left | anyone running compiz? |
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| 07:41.48 | somekool | template<class T> |
| 07:41.48 | somekool | class MyClass<typename T>: public MyClass<typename T::Tail> { |
| 07:41.53 | somekool | this should just work, no? |
| 07:43.10 | Ardonik | If you're guessing, you're not thinking it through. |
| 07:43.13 | dklon | self-referential template inheritance? |
| 07:43.29 | Ardonik | I don't know why you're using inheritance at all. |
| 07:44.11 | gupta | everytime a kde app is restarted its open/save dialog box 'reverts' to the home folder |
| 07:44.27 | gupta | which is pretty annoying..any solutions? |
| 07:45.33 | dklon | i usually have some custom folder links i add to the left-hand side dialog menu |
| 07:45.40 | dklon | to the most prominent places i go to |
| 07:46.49 | gupta | which is still too slow |
| 07:46.52 | somekool | Ardonik: i dont see the other way to create it without inheritence |
| 07:47.01 | gupta | atleast compared to palmOS |
| 07:47.08 | Ardonik | I don't even see how inheritance would be useful here. |
| 07:47.32 | Ardonik | Dynamic inheritance implies composition or polymorphism (that is, run-time heavior change based on base class pointers.) |
| 07:47.40 | Ardonik | All you're writing is a template metaprogram. |
| 07:47.52 | Ardonik | s/heavior/behavior/g |
| 07:47.55 | somekool | that's all it is, eh;) |
| 07:48.27 | somekool | because I got this class MyClass<NullType> which is my F(0) |
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| 07:49.16 | somekool | and MyClass<T> gets the methods from MyClass<T-1> |
| 07:49.23 | somekool | it seems to make sense |
| 07:49.49 | somekool | without inheritence, i simply dont see it. even though I keep looking at the Factorial STL example |
| 07:49.53 | dklon | somekool: if i read you right, you're trying to implement an N! evaluator using a set of template classes |
| 07:51.19 | somekool | dklon: no, this is not what I am trying to do. but its a common example to STL |
| 07:51.33 | somekool | common example to template metaprogramming |
| 07:51.34 | dklon | ok |
| 07:51.52 | somekool | dklon: http://osl.iu.edu/~tveldhui/papers/Template-Metaprograms/meta-art.html first code example |
| 07:52.33 | somekool | Ardonik: another little cue to place my on the right track? |
| 07:52.48 | Ardonik | What? |
| 07:53.15 | dklon | ah i see what they did there ... clever clever Mr. Stroustrup |
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| 07:54.46 | dklon | Jucato: it's only programming |
| 07:54.49 | dklon | don't worry |
| 07:54.57 | Jucato | I know |
| 07:55.29 | dklon | who narrates that one Jucato? |
| 07:55.58 | Renze | william shatner? ;) |
| 07:56.02 | dklon | i can almost hear James Earl Jones bellowing out C code now |
| 07:56.08 | Jucato | Chuck Allison |
| 07:56.09 | somekool | Ardonik: you know the solution right? could you give me another tip? |
| 07:56.09 | Jucato | :P |
| 07:56.26 | Jucato | it's a sort of C crash course introduction for Thinking in C++ (Eckel) |
| 07:56.47 | Ardonik | somekool: I don't know the solution to whatever it is you're trying to solve, and I cannot in good conscience do homework for others online. |
| 07:56.53 | Ardonik | I will not code for you. |
| 07:57.02 | monkeyiq | heh :) |
| 07:57.13 | Ardonik | I do know template metaprogramming, though. It is simpler than you are making it out to be. |
| 07:57.22 | Ardonik | Remove the inheritance. It is useless. |
| 07:57.52 | dklon | Jucato: i recommend "Mastering Algorithms with C", a good intro read into algorithm design |
| 07:58.13 | Jucato | dklon: I'm going to study C++ actually, I'm just taking this crash course to refresh my memory :) |
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| 07:59.26 | dklon | is everybody in here a student? |
| 07:59.34 | Ardonik | I used to be. |
| 07:59.35 | dklon | okay, maybe not Ardonik |
| 07:59.36 | Renze | not for quite a while |
| 07:59.57 | dklon | then i don't feel like a reeeallly old man then |
| 08:00.03 | dklon | not so much, anyway |
| 08:00.07 | somekool | dklon: depends how you see it. I am no longer a student, but at the same time will always be. |
| 08:00.13 | Jucato | no. I'm doing self study |
| 08:00.21 | dklon | that's almost zen somekool |
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| 08:00.39 | somekool | i dont live in Japan for nothing |
| 08:01.27 | Jucato | ooh another japanese guy... |
| 08:01.43 | dklon | and me, the silly american hahahaha |
| 08:02.48 | Jucato | hmph... |
| 08:02.59 | Jucato | game* |
| 08:03.10 | dklon | it wouldn't be a Nintendo system without a Pokemon game |
| 08:03.19 | Jucato | hehe |
| 08:03.33 | dklon | all of my Nintendo games are nostalgic from childhood |
| 08:03.37 | Jucato | DS still doesn't have true pokemon DS game, right? |
| 08:03.47 | Jucato | I mean the pokemon RPG game... |
| 08:03.48 | dklon | like Metroid, LoZ, Section Z, Contra |
| 08:03.58 | dklon | don't know about that one Jucato |
| 08:04.05 | Jucato | :) |
| 08:04.05 | somekool | dklon: the pokemon stage was HUGE |
| 08:04.18 | somekool | but I'm not too much into pokemon, so I cannot really tell you anything |
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| 08:04.44 | dklon | i know there was an inordinately high number of pokemon games for the GBA, so i don't think they'd stop there |
| 08:04.44 | dklon | think of the children! |
| 08:04.46 | monkeyiq | super mario galge :-0 |
| 08:05.03 | prometheus | HALLO |
| 08:05.05 | Jucato | fire red, leaf green, emerald, ruby, sapphire. anything else? :P |
| 08:05.05 | prometheus | ALL |
| 08:05.07 | dklon | i'm not really into pokemon, just the older games |
| 08:05.35 | prometheus | THIS IS ENGLSH CHANGL？ |
| 08:05.47 | somekool | I basically *play* three games on my DS. *play* because really, only one of the three is a game. |
| 08:05.50 | hareldvd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:06.14 | Jucato | ooh a valid KDE question |
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| 08:06.48 | dklon | there were 18 pokemon games for the GBA from this list i'm seeing on Nintendo |
| 08:06.58 | dklon | sorry 15 |
| 08:07.02 | Jucato | ah yeah, I didn't count the non-rpg games |
| 08:07.11 | dklon | first three on the list were bogus |
| 08:07.26 | dklon | and there were also a bunch of little video carts too |
| 08:07.50 | somekool | what is it so good about pokemon? |
| 08:07.56 | Renze | nothing |
| 08:08.03 | Jucato | actually, nothing :P |
| 08:08.20 | somekool | ok, I thought I missunderstood |
| 08:08.21 | dklon | yeah, there isn't anything really but a money suction device created by Nintendo |
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| 08:08.31 | dklon | there/it* |
| 08:08.40 | dklon | brb |
| 08:10.26 | Jucato | such is the magic of IRC... |
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| 08:11.48 | Jucato | at 4pm.. :( |
| 08:11.55 | somekool | i bet |
| 08:12.05 | somekool | Ardonik: what timezone are you on? |
| 08:12.13 | Jucato | well, on to Lesson 3: Operators |
| 08:14.10 | somekool | Fuck I know !!! |
| 08:14.27 | somekool | I FUCKING KNOW !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:14.51 | somekool | wait, no i don't |
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| 08:15.12 | Jucato | O.o |
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| 08:19.03 | dklon | ok back (and front, and side-to-side) |
| 08:19.28 | Jucato | bottom-top |
| 08:19.40 | dklon | wait, nm, now i have the new version of Konversation queued up to install |
| 08:19.49 | dklon | i'll get back on here if it works right |
| 08:19.54 | dklon | wish me luck |
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| 08:21.45 | somekool | clear: both; |
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| 08:40.05 | somekool | Ardonik: please? |
| 08:40.15 | Ardonik | Please what? |
| 08:41.56 | Ardonik | type_info::name() returns mangled nonsense in gcc 4.0.1, at least on Mandriva. |
| 08:42.12 | Ardonik | I suppose one could use macros. |
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| 08:44.45 | dklon | Juncato: two turntables helps keep the flow moving |
| 08:45.02 | Jucato | heh |
| 08:45.14 | dklon | anybody ever play Core Wars? |
| 08:45.20 | Jucato | dklon: Tab completion helps prevent misspelling nicks :) |
| 08:45.21 | dklon | or Battle Tanks? |
| 08:45.34 | dklon | nice |
| 08:45.42 | dklon | never used it in here, didn't think it was in this prog |
| 08:45.54 | Jucato | it's almost in all IRC programcs |
| 08:45.59 | Jucato | er.. programs... :( |
| 08:46.45 | dklon | heheheh |
| 08:46.51 | dklon | s'cool |
| 08:49.23 | Ardonik | Ooh, yeah, do macros ever not work. |
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| 08:49.39 | Ardonik | #define NAME_OF(T) std::string(#T) |
| 08:50.03 | Ardonik | template <typename T> void foo(T t) { cout << NAME_OF(T); } |
| 08:50.19 | Ardonik | Always outputs the string literal "T". |
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| 08:51.32 | dklon | is that due to the late binding of the template versus the early-binding of macro expansion? |
| 08:52.08 | Ardonik | It is due to the fact that macros suck. |
| 08:52.43 | dklon | well, they do yes |
| 08:56.46 | somekool | Ardonik: you are writing that for me, right? |
| 08:57.04 | Ardonik | No. |
| 08:57.09 | somekool | ok |
| 08:57.14 | somekool | still inspiring |
| 08:57.14 | dklon | just me i think |
| 08:57.15 | somekool | ... |
| 08:57.29 | Ardonik | I've implemented a MyClass<T> that prints the list of types you described earlier. |
| 08:57.30 | dklon | constants aren't, variables won't, and macros are micro |
| 08:57.49 | Ardonik | My one problem is that std::type_info::name() doesn't necessarily return anything human-readable. |
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| 08:59.45 | somekool | how do you loop ? |
| 09:00.40 | Ardonik | I don't loop. I recurse. |
| 09:01.03 | Jucato | O.o |
| 09:01.11 | Ardonik | Print T::Head, print MyClass<T::Tail>. |
| 09:01.16 | Ardonik | Easy. |
| 09:01.16 | dklon | It's a Navy thing hahahaha |
| 09:01.24 | dklon | Recurse just like a sailor |
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| 09:02.24 | Ardonik | *MyClass<typename T::Tail> |
| 09:03.00 | somekool | my problem is I have the write MyClass<T::Tail> in the method signature, not in the code. |
| 09:03.08 | somekool | I can't define a function like |
| 09:03.29 | somekool | voir MyClass<T::Tail>::print(T::Tail::Head) {} |
| 09:03.30 | Ardonik | You don't have a problem. Your assignment is simple. |
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| 09:04.42 | somekool | but its hard to imagine stuff you never saw. I used template simple, like to create a list of anything List<T> but template metaprogramming. I never heard of that before. |
| 09:05.36 | somekool | Ardonik: i dont know. please tell me. |
| 09:05.56 | Ardonik | Tell you *what*? |
| 09:05.59 | Ardonik | Please be specific! |
| 09:06.54 | Ardonik | You know about template specialization, right? |
| 09:07.08 | somekool | how do I recurse on T::Tail to create void print(XXX v) {} |
| 09:07.09 | Ardonik | They must have discussed it in class, if you're doing template metaprogramming. |
| 09:07.18 | Ardonik | That question doesn't parse. |
| 09:07.18 | kikr__ | hey, I'm usiing Gentoo and I just unmerged kde-env |
| 09:07.21 | kikr__ | is this ok? |
| 09:08.08 | somekool | I never done a class on template metaprogramming and it is not what I am doing today. unless we count this IRC session as a class. |
| 09:08.34 | somekool | this is not for school |
| 09:10.15 | Renze | kikr__: it's ok... that package isn't being used any more |
| 09:10.25 | kikr__ | swew... |
| 09:10.50 | Renze | kikr: but for distro specific stuff, please use the distro channel |
| 09:11.02 | Ardonik | Try as I might, I can't see a use for passing an arg into print(). |
| 09:11.18 | Ardonik | I can print the typelist perfectly well without args, polymorphism, or even MyClass<T>. |
| 09:11.25 | kikr | k |
| 09:13.48 | somekool | what is the difference between using template <typename T> and template <class T> ? |
| 09:13.53 | Ardonik | Nothing. |
| 09:14.32 | somekool | Ardonik: well, I need to pass an arg to print, its part of the problem. |
| 09:14.44 | Ardonik | Why? |
| 09:14.46 | Ardonik | What arg? |
| 09:14.57 | somekool | a value, int/char/float, anything, a VALUE |
| 09:15.13 | Ardonik | And what is print() supposed to do with that arg? |
| 09:15.22 | somekool | apparently, the simple assignement is not exactly as you thought. |
| 09:15.26 | somekool | print it |
| 09:15.27 | Ardonik | No, it is simple. |
| 09:15.31 | Ardonik | Um. |
| 09:15.38 | dklon | why not use cout& ? |
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| 09:15.44 | Ardonik | template <typename T> void print(T t) { cout << t << endl; } |
| 09:17.21 | dklon | okay time for sleep for me |
| 09:17.26 | dklon | take it easy everybody |
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| 09:20.40 | somekool | Ardonik: this is my latest try... http://rafb.net/paste/results/iTPv1k80.html |
| 09:20.52 | somekool | but i know it should be simpler that than. |
| 09:21.35 | Ardonik | If it works, good for you. |
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| 09:22.23 | somekool | it does not work ;) |
| 09:22.40 | Ardonik | You should have said earlier that MyClass::print(T) was required to print out the typelist if T was a typelist and T otherwise. |
| 09:22.42 | somekool | little important precision. http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fo3M4v57.html |
| 09:22.52 | somekool | I thought I said so |
| 09:22.54 | Ardonik | The solution is still specialization. Not much changes. |
| 09:23.01 | Ardonik | The argument is nothing. |
| 09:23.30 | Ardonik | Making something printable with cout requires overloading operator<<, so do so for TypeLists. |
| 09:24.18 | somekool | I dont think I need to implement operator<< for Typelist |
| 09:25.05 | somekool | so your idea is simply to print the Typelist and inside operator<< I would print Head or Tail ? |
| 09:25.16 | somekool | no, a Typelist cannot be printed, it has no value |
| 09:25.26 | somekool | i dont know the solution |
| 09:26.11 | somekool | and if you help me finish it so I actually learn something. I am gonna write that I have not been able to complete it. and I needed help and now (after) I understand |
| 09:27.49 | somekool | I really muck like question #11, "Think of a question that you feel should be on this test and answer it." |
| 09:27.53 | somekool | much |
| 09:28.17 | somekool | i have not look at 9 and 10 yet. |
| 09:28.33 | somekool | but Ardonik I sure need your help to complete #8, I got NO clue. |
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| 09:33.02 | Ardonik | It's pointless to make MyClass a template class and yet make MyClass<T>::print() take a T argument. |
| 09:33.17 | Ardonik | MyClass did not have to be a template class in the first place--print() could just have been a function template. |
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| 09:35.21 | Ardonik | It adds unnecessary overhead. |
| 09:37.37 | somekool | I see |
| 09:38.04 | Ardonik | You're shoeboxing yourself with your solutions. Re-read the requirements. |
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| 09:40.37 | somekool | no, wait, it has to be |
| 09:40.42 | somekool | because of |
| 09:40.44 | somekool | MyClass<UsableTypes1> hogehoge; |
| 09:40.44 | somekool | MyClass<UsableTypes2> blhablha; |
| 09:40.55 | somekool | these lines are not mine, they cannot be changed. |
| 09:41.07 | somekool | so MyClass needs to be a template classs |
| 09:41.20 | Ardonik | But print() also takes the exact same template parameter. |
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| 09:42.36 | Ardonik | Ergo you could have just done template <typename T> void print(T t) { ... } and kept MyClass as an ordinary class, or removed it altogether. |
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| 09:42.50 | somekool | you are thinking like that ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/UOUR2439.html |
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| 09:43.04 | Ardonik | Probably not, whatever's in the paste. |
| 09:43.17 | somekool | ;) |
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| 09:43.35 | somekool | but you understand that my specification requires the class to be a template class |
| 09:43.38 | Ardonik | If you have to cout << t << endl, then you need to overload operator<< for TypeLists. |
| 09:43.46 | Ardonik | That is the only significant change having arguments adds. |
| 09:43.49 | kdeuser^ | hey |
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| 09:44.02 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: hey |
| 09:44.09 | Ardonik | It's pointless for the class to be a template class, but whatever. |
| 09:44.11 | somekool | I have to cout int, char, float, etc. but no typelist |
| 09:44.16 | Ardonik | Then make it. |
| 09:44.36 | kdeuser^ | Renze: hey |
| 09:44.43 | somekool | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.44 | Renze | hi kdeuser^ |
| 09:44.52 | kdeuser^ | hey |
| 09:45.08 | kdeuser^ | knoversation is different indeed... |
| 09:45.16 | xri | Hi all |
| 09:45.31 | kdeuser^ | I removed xchat... and yummed konversation |
| 09:45.43 | somekool | kdeuser^: we are all KDE user here |
| 09:45.55 | kdeuser^ | somekool: lol |
| 09:46.51 | kdeuser^ | Renze: so how was ur day ? |
| 09:47.01 | somekool | Ardonik: or haven't you |
| 09:47.16 | Renze | kdeuser^: quiet |
| 09:47.33 | kdeuser^ | Oh.. my exam didn`t go so well today.. |
| 09:47.53 | kdeuser^ | Have 3 days for next one .. :D |
| 09:48.11 | somekool | thiago: sorry for introducing devel stuff here |
| 09:48.15 | thiago | note on member template functions: they are not portable |
| 09:48.34 | somekool | which plateform it will failed on ? |
| 09:48.35 | thiago | if you intend to write your code for older compilers (notably, older Microsoft compilers), you can't use them |
| 09:48.35 | kdeuser^ | Renze: I was checking the updates and so kde3.5 do you think I should update |
| 09:48.48 | Renze | kdeuser^: entirely up to you |
| 09:48.59 | somekool | nah, its most likely gonna end up on video game consoles |
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| 09:49.24 | kdeuser^ | Renze: what does the update any security updates or what.. just the latest version right ? |
| 09:49.40 | Renze | kdeuser^: check the changelogs on developer.kde.org |
| 09:50.01 | kdeuser^ | Fine.. |
| 09:50.02 | Renze | kdeuser^: you can't expect me to remember them all, can you? ;) |
| 09:50.03 | xri | Has anybody tried export/import between Outlook and Korganizer. The reason I ask is because I tried exporting as vcal or iCal from Korganizer and them importing the calendar from Outlook. Outlook fails to import, with an error message like "wrong vcal format" or so. I tried again after using unix2dos on linux before using import from Outlook. Same results. |
| 09:50.07 | somekool | thiago: I gotta go now, but do you think I could request your help a bit later? about function template ? |
| 09:50.10 | kdeuser^ | lol |
| 09:50.18 | thiago | yep |
| 09:50.20 | thiago | somekool: sure |
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| 09:50.30 | somekool | thanks, I should be back in a hour, thank you |
| 09:51.00 | kdeuser^ | Renze: how to create my own style and themes ? |
| 09:51.17 | Renze | kdeuser^: styles are written in C++... I don't mess with themes |
| 09:51.19 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: hey... |
| 09:51.31 | kdeuser^ | Renze: oh... I know c++ |
| 09:51.39 | kdeuser^ | will try someday |
| 09:52.30 | kdeuser^ | why doesn`t konversation support tab completion like xchat ? |
| 09:52.37 | Renze | it does |
| 09:52.45 | thiago | it does |
| 09:52.50 | Renze | k<tab> == kdeuser^ |
| 09:52.58 | kdeuser^ | it doesn`t complete command like /leave and all |
| 09:53.07 | kdeuser^ | only usernames ? |
| 09:53.10 | thiago | it supports nick completion |
| 09:53.14 | kdeuser^ | sorry only nicks ? |
| 09:53.27 | kdeuser^ | Fine... |
| 09:53.35 | Sho_ | kdeuser^: Command completion is planned for a future release. |
| 09:53.45 | kdeuser^ | Fine.. |
| 09:53.49 | kdeuser^ | hey Sho_ |
| 09:53.58 | thiago | you can probably use /l though |
| 09:54.10 | kdeuser^ | is that same as /leave ? |
| 09:54.37 | thiago | generelly, it's an alias to /leave |
| 09:54.51 | kdeuser^ | thiago: ok.. thanks |
| 09:54.55 | thiago | the most common commands are aliased to one-letter versions, like /j, /l and /q |
| 09:54.58 | thiago | or /m |
| 09:55.15 | thiago | /k, /kb, etc. You get the point |
| 09:55.27 | kdeuser^ | only in konversation or even in xchat ? |
| 09:55.38 | Renze | in most IRC clients |
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| 09:55.39 | kdeuser^ | ya.. I get it |
| 09:55.44 | thiago | in most ... yeah :-) |
| 09:55.46 | kdeuser^ | Oh...ok |
| 09:56.09 | Ardonik | g++ -o template-meta-1 template-meta-1.cpp && ./template-meta-1 |
| 09:56.09 | Ardonik | i -> f -> Pc -> (null) |
| 09:56.10 | Ardonik | s -> Ss -> (null) |
| 09:56.10 | Ardonik | -3.22339e-39 |
| 09:56.13 | thiago | damn, I've just realised something |
| 09:56.24 | Ardonik | All I did was overload operator<<() for TypeList<H, T>. |
| 09:56.31 | thiago | it's been 10 years since I've been using IRC |
| 09:56.42 | Renze | thiago: more than 15 for me ;) |
| 09:56.44 | kdeuser^ | any network monitor applet kicker ? like gnome has one |
| 09:56.48 | Sho_ | thiago: Old fart! ;) |
| 09:56.56 | thiago | kdeuser^: that does exactly what? |
| 09:56.57 | Sho_ | Although it's been 10 years here, too |
| 09:57.08 | Jucato | kdeuser^: I was taking a nap |
| 09:57.23 | kdeuser^ | hey Jucato.. sorry did i wake you up ? |
| 09:57.31 | thiago | Renze: it was in November 1996 that I stumbled as a newbie in DALNet's oldest channel... |
| 09:57.31 | Jucato | honestly? yes |
| 09:57.40 | Jucato | I forgot to switch of notifications... :( |
| 09:57.45 | Renze | thiago: I started on undernet back in 1991 |
| 09:57.53 | kdeuser^ | thiago: it shows the amount of bytes transmitted |
| 09:58.00 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: sorry mate |
| 09:58.04 | thiago | kdeuser^: total, as in accumulating? |
| 09:58.13 | kdeuser^ | yes.. |
| 09:58.25 | thiago | I think the ksysguard applet has that |
| 09:58.40 | kdeuser^ | thiago: since i am ona limit in the daytime i want a monitor |
| 09:58.52 | kdeuser^ | does katapult work in kde 3.4 |
| 09:59.02 | kdeuser^ | guess not.. |
| 09:59.13 | Sho_ | kdeuser^: Generally, check out www.kde-apps.org, there are droves of network monitoring kicker applets and superkaramba widgets |
| 09:59.29 | Jucato | and by droves, he really means droves :) |
| 09:59.39 | Renze | a metric assload |
| 09:59.49 | kdeuser^ | I am talking about an applet in kicker the kde panel |
| 09:59.55 | thiago | no, the ksysguard applet will only show the number of bytes transmitted per second |
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| 10:00.29 | Renze | anywho, I think I'm gonna crawl into bed and read for a while before I sleep |
| 10:00.31 | kdeuser^ | Fine... |
| 10:00.37 | Jucato | Fine! |
| 10:00.46 | Jucato | g'night Renze! |
| 10:00.49 | Renze | Fine!!!1one |
| 10:00.59 | kdeuser^ | Sho_ anything without karmba |
| 10:01.05 | kdeuser^ | I want it for the panel |
| 10:01.08 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: hey ! |
| 10:01.17 | kdeuser^ | Renze: good night |
| 10:01.33 | Jucato | kdeuser^: Sho_ mentioned "kicker applet" kicker == kde panel |
| 10:01.39 | kdeuser^ | Renze: gentoo dreams |
| 10:01.52 | kdeuser^ | oh.. he mentioned.. ok.. |
| 10:01.59 | kdeuser^ | I will look around |
| 10:02.06 | Renze | oh, I won't be dreaming about gentoo... trust me |
| 10:02.26 | kdeuser^ | ha |
| 10:02.50 | Jucato | there's KNemo, kdeuser^. but I've forgotten how to use it so please don't ask me |
| 10:03.30 | kdeuser^ | under what does kicker applets come ? |
| 10:03.50 | kdeuser^ | kde improvements ? |
| 10:04.10 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=230x231x232x233x234x235x236 |
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| 10:06.16 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: even today somebody said something about my nick.. |
| 10:06.50 | Jucato | well, what did you expect? :) |
| 10:06.58 | Jucato | you're lucky it's not even taken yet :P |
| 10:07.11 | kdeuser^ | ya... |
| 10:07.19 | kdeuser^ | but i registered it |
| 10:08.34 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: what kind of music do u listen to ? |
| 10:09.03 | Jucato | I don't listen to music that much |
| 10:09.11 | kdeuser^ | Oh.. |
| 10:09.34 | kdeuser^ | So no multimedia apps installed i guess... |
| 10:09.55 | kdeuser^ | I use xmms.. like it because it has a lot of skins |
| 10:10.00 | Jucato | of course I do |
| 10:10.04 | Jucato | amarok |
| 10:10.09 | Jucato | kaffeine |
| 10:10.54 | kdeuser^ | kmplayer is reallt slick.. |
| 10:10.59 | kdeuser^ | really* |
| 10:11.43 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: have an mp3 player ? do you use kioslaves to connect ? |
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| 10:11.53 | Jucato | no mp3 player |
| 10:12.04 | kdeuser^ | Fine... |
| 10:13.00 | kdeuser^ | what`s your favorite kde app ? |
| 10:13.05 | Jucato | Konqi |
| 10:13.13 | Ardonik | somekool: I have pasted my solution to your problem, encoded in rot13, here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/JJFyou62.html |
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| 10:13.20 | kdeuser^ | that`s the mascot.. not an app |
| 10:13.27 | Ardonik | somekool: do not decrypt it until you have come up with a solution yourself. |
| 10:13.41 | Jucato | kdeuser^: it's also the shortened name for Konqueror |
| 10:13.49 | kdeuser^ | somekool is gone for one house |
| 10:13.54 | Ardonik | *hour |
| 10:13.54 | kdeuser^ | hour* |
| 10:13.57 | kdeuser^ | ya.. |
| 10:14.20 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: oh.. |
| 10:14.20 | Ardonik | somekool: then compare your solution to mine. You'll see that things aren't really as complicated as you made them seem. |
| 10:14.31 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: your favorite Linux app ? |
| 10:14.34 | Ardonik | </CPlusPlusLesson> |
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| 10:15.21 | Jucato | kdeuser^: same answer |
| 10:15.58 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: have any friends who use Linux ? |
| 10:16.06 | kdeuser^ | in your place |
| 10:16.38 | Jucato | no |
| 10:16.45 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: i am the only guy in the dept |
| 10:16.56 | kdeuser^ | computer science department |
| 10:18.31 | Jucato | probably |
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| 11:08.42 | drzed | hi tehre |
| 11:09.06 | Q-collective | almost right |
| 11:09.07 | drzed | little question on hal/dbus stuff |
| 11:10.03 | drzed | what could be the reason that the 'enable hal backend' button is disabled (in kcontrol)? |
| 11:10.42 | Q-collective | where is that button? |
| 11:11.09 | drzed | kcontrol -> peripherals -> storage media -> advanced |
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| 11:12.16 | Q-collective | oh, I have the option greyed out aswell |
| 11:12.32 | Q-collective | automounting works just fine though |
| 11:12.48 | drzed | which in my case does not |
| 11:13.26 | Q-collective | distro? |
| 11:13.26 | drzed | hm ok, what then could be the reason that the automounting stuff does not work? |
| 11:13.32 | drzed | Q-collective: debian (sid) |
| 11:13.45 | Q-collective | do you have pmount? |
| 11:14.01 | drzed | nope |
| 11:14.26 | Q-collective | install it |
| 11:14.26 | drzed | i tought one does not need pmount if using dbus && hal (which is running) |
| 11:14.48 | Q-collective | kde uses pmount for the mounting |
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| 11:15.31 | drzed | but the thing is: new devices do not appear under storage-media |
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| 11:15.49 | drzed | (altough they appear in the hal-device-manager ) |
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| 11:18.59 | drzed | any ideas? |
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| 11:40.25 | Wyatt | Isn't there a kicker app for monitoring laptop battery state? |
| 11:40.33 | Wyatt | I thought there was, but.... |
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| 11:41.37 | annma | Klaptop I think |
| 11:42.12 | Schalken | is there a program for kde for use with a tablet pc so you can write words using the stylus? |
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| 11:42.53 | annma | you mean a character recognition tool? |
| 11:42.59 | Schalken | yeah! |
| 11:43.05 | annma | none on kde |
| 11:43.13 | annma | google for it |
| 11:43.18 | Wyatt | Ahh, thanks Schalken. |
| 11:43.26 | Schalken | Wyatt? |
| 11:43.27 | Wyatt | Err. |
| 11:43.30 | Schalken | i mean |
| 11:43.30 | Wyatt | annma: |
| 11:43.37 | Schalken | righto |
| 11:45.05 | Schalken | annma: apparently Kooka can do it, but thats not much use with a stylus |
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| 12:04.48 | jordo23 | Everytime I start KDE the Gnome Palm Pilot (GPilot) Wizard starts......how do I disable this? I can't complete the Wizard because I get an error stating that the device doesn't have the correct permissions to be setup |
| 12:05.20 | thiago | jordo23: ask GPilot developers |
| 12:06.20 | jordo23 | ok |
| 12:07.16 | benJIman | jordo23: it could be in your autostart dir either ~/.kde/Autostart or `kde-config --prefix`/share/autostart |
| 12:07.26 | benJIman | or in your session |
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| 12:09.24 | Schalken | some sites point to an OCR program called KOCR at korc.sf.net but the site is non-existant |
| 12:10.37 | Schalken | its dissapointing to see that the technology is avaliable (gocr) however hasnt been used for handwriting on a tablet |
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| 12:32.02 | Schalken | interesting, gocr appears to work. i dont see how it could be difficuilt to write a kicker applet that would act as a writing pad. just let the user draw on the pad, then when they draw on the left side of the pad (indicating a new piece of text) send the image to gocr and output the result where the text-editing cursor is. |
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| 12:51.14 | eae | does anybody know how ca I set the latest kmplayer to auto-hide the control panel when playing at fullscreen? |
| 12:51.27 | eae | I could do it in older versions |
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| 13:07.14 | nothlit | Why shouldn't you delete ~/.kde if you want to start all over again? Also, where are konqueror settings stored and do you have to compile themes in order to use them in kde? |
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| 13:17.50 | Schalken | nothlit: themes do not need to be compiled, just click 'install theme' in the kde theme manager in kcontrol and locate the .ktm file. if you want to start all over again best make a new user and delete the old one. some programs will get scared when they find out their configuration in ~/.kde is gone, allthough most will simply write them again as defaults. |
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| 13:33.08 | firepol | hi, how to upen an URL from the command line in the same konqueror instance? (i mean the same behavior as kate -u namefile.txt, but for konqueror --someoption http://someurl) thanks. |
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| 13:37.57 | jisaitua | firepol: You can use dcop for that....the newtab(url) method |
| 13:39.51 | jisaitua | or you can use openURL(url) to use the same window and not a new tab |
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| 13:40.48 | firepol | jisaitua: i can't achieve the goal (new tab) with dcop.... |
| 13:41.36 | cecule | How can i stop digikam always start on CD/DVD mount ? |
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| 13:42.07 | firepol | jisaitua: openURL doesn't exist in my distro (i use gentoo) |
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| 13:43.22 | jisaitua | firepol: try something like this: dcop konqueror-28379 konqueror-mainwindow#1 newTab http://www.kde.org |
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| 13:44.09 | firepol | jisaitua: i get this error: object not accessible |
| 13:44.46 | jisaitua | firepol: ok, replace konqueror-28379 with konqueror-[YOUR_KONQUROR_PID_HERE] |
| 13:45.06 | jisaitua | you can use kdcop to start learning |
| 13:45.23 | firepol | mmmh: the problem is that i need a flexible command line to be used universally |
| 13:45.35 | firepol | if i restart my computer i'll need to always replace the PID... |
| 13:46.04 | firepol | sorry, not flexible, but fix. i need to configure a third party software to open a browser and a url |
| 13:46.51 | firepol | and i'd like to use konqueror, but not to open always a new window. i'd like it to open the url in a tab of the actual konqueror instance... |
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| 13:47.04 | jisaitua | firepol: you always can get the pid of a running instance of konqueror...that's not a problem |
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| 13:47.46 | cecule | How can i stop digikam always start on CD/DVD mount ? |
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| 13:49.02 | jisaitua | firepol: try this: dcop `dcop konq* | head -1` konqueror-mainwindow#1 newTab http://www.kde.org |
| 13:49.27 | firepol | using the PID worked fine, thanks. now i try your script |
| 13:50.17 | benJIman | firepol: it depends on the konqueror settings, and if the user has it set to open new urls in new window instead of new tab they may not like you overriding it and opening in a new tab |
| 13:50.35 | firepol | your script doesnt work to me |
| 13:50.52 | firepol | (i configured konqueror to open external links in new tabs) |
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| 13:51.51 | jisaitua | firepol: Do you have konqueror running? |
| 13:52.04 | benJIman | firepol: then if you use kfmclient openURL it should open in new tab I think |
| 13:52.44 | jisaitua | benJIman: yap, I think that should work too |
| 13:53.06 | firepol | benJIman: this worked, thanks |
| 13:54.09 | firepol | kfmclient openURL http://www.kde.org worked fine |
| 13:54.13 | Half-Left | benJIman: have you tried aquamarine? |
| 13:54.26 | benJIman | Half-Left: yes |
| 13:54.28 | benJIman | works for me |
| 13:54.30 | firepol | wasn't it easier to keep a standard like kate -u namefile... konqueror -u url ?? |
| 13:54.43 | Half-Left | benJIman: I get not shadows, any idea? |
| 13:54.47 | Half-Left | no* |
| 13:55.27 | benJIman | Half-Left: I don't think it draws shadows |
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| 13:55.34 | Half-Left | :/ |
| 13:55.49 | benJIman | It uses the kwin decorations which don't have shadows |
| 13:56.00 | benJIman | shadows could just be done by a beryl plugin, have you looked to see if there is one? |
| 13:56.03 | Half-Left | as in window shadows |
| 13:56.47 | MilhousePunkRock | How come KIO does not use the folders I created in /media to mount my USB mass storage devices to? |
| 13:56.59 | firepol | jisaitua, banJIman, thank you |
| 13:57.10 | Half-Left | usually there are shows around everything, but with aquamarine it dont work |
| 13:57.16 | Half-Left | shadows* |
| 13:58.01 | Half-Left | benJIman: have they not added this feature yet or something? |
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| 13:58.52 | Half-Left | MilhousePunkRock: because they are just symlinks to /mnt |
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| 13:59.39 | MilhousePunkRock | Half-Left: Are you sure? |
| 13:59.44 | Half-Left | yep |
| 13:59.53 | Half-Left | make them in /mnt |
| 13:59.59 | benJIman | Half-Left: I think they're drawn by the decorator normally, but aquamarine uses kwin's decorations |
| 14:00.05 | benJIman | kwin's decorations do not have shadows |
| 14:00.06 | Half-Left | then symlink to /media |
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| 14:00.16 | benJIman | Half-Left: check that there isn't a separate plugin for beryl that can also draw shadows though |
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| 14:00.46 | Half-Left | benJIman: the window decoration does this, but it seems aqua dont |
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| 14:03.04 | MilhousePunkRock | Half-Left: Well, I dont _have_ to create them, since KIO makes them if they are not there. But when they are there, KIO wouldnt use them |
| 14:03.30 | Half-Left | MilhousePunkRock: well it's HAL that does this |
| 14:04.02 | Half-Left | since HAL has been use /media has been added |
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| 14:05.31 | Half-Left | rather than /mnt, it's just a way for people to sett there media devices rather than as /mnt |
| 14:05.41 | Half-Left | see* |
| 14:05.41 | benJIman | Half-Left: as I said twice, aquamarine uses /the kwin decorations/ |
| 14:05.58 | MilhousePunkRock | Half-Left: Since you seem familiar with this mounting stuff, how can I have my external HDD have mounted when it's powered on while booting already? |
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| 14:06.33 | Half-Left | benJIman: yes I know, but why does say compiz use metacity decorations but still have shadows? |
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| 14:07.05 | benJIman | Half-Left: compiz doesn't use metacity decorations |
| 14:07.22 | benJIman | Half-Left: and it would be possible to haev a beryl plugin draw shadows |
| 14:07.24 | Half-Left | MilhousePunkRock: HAL should manage that |
| 14:07.27 | e319 | hi am on fc6 and i installed kde, when ig to switchdesk, i see kde there. i switch to kjde, restart and no kde .. still gnome any ideas? |
| 14:07.34 | Half-Left | benJIman: yes it does |
| 14:07.48 | MilhousePunkRock | Half-Left: Not when it's already on at booting. No problem when I power it on later |
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| 14:08.00 | benJIman | Half-Left: it uses decorations that look like metacity ones |
| 14:08.31 | Half-Left | benJIman: no, DavidR added support for metacity in compiz |
| 14:08.31 | benJIman | if you're referring to gnome-window-decorator |
| 14:08.42 | benJIman | Half-Left: that is using the metacity wm not gnome-window-decorator |
| 14:08.54 | Half-Left | you can use both |
| 14:09.09 | benJIman | aquamarine is just drawing the kwin decorations on the windows |
| 14:09.17 | benJIman | there is no reason that a beryl plugin can't draw shadows |
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| 14:09.24 | Half-Left | hmm |
| 14:10.05 | Half-Left | but when you stop emerald the shadows disappear, thats a windows manager |
| 14:11.11 | Half-Left | yer, it's gets confusing which is what |
| 14:11.19 | Jucato | @_@ |
| 14:11.32 | benJIman | Half-Left: yes emerald draws shadows |
| 14:11.42 | benJIman | Half-Left: but it does not have to be up to the decorator |
| 14:11.52 | benJIman | Jucato: yes emerald is a decorator, beryl is a manager |
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| 14:12.03 | Half-Left | oh, so why does aqua work different? |
| 14:12.21 | benJIman | Half-Left: because it's just drawing decorations, it's not doing any shadows |
| 14:12.24 | HanzZ | hi.... is somewhere some documentation, how to use khtmlpart with web forms? |
| 14:12.31 | benJIman | the shadows could equally well be done by beryl, no reason for them to be in the decorator |
| 14:12.43 | benJIman | there might already be such a plugin, have you even looked? |
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| 14:14.35 | Half-Left | benJIman: so aqua is doing it a different way now?, and beryl needs a plugin for the shadows to work? |
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| 14:15.07 | benJIman | Half-Left: aqua isn't doing it at all |
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| 14:15.54 | Half-Left | I just wantered to know why aqua is not doing the shadows, like gnome-window-decoration does |
| 14:16.04 | benJIman | because it's not implemented in aquamarine |
| 14:16.07 | benJIman | and it probably shouldn't be |
| 14:16.27 | benJIman | because drop shadows are not really a job for the decorator |
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| 14:16.28 | Half-Left | I see |
| 14:16.54 | Half-Left | well in compiz and beryl they are done like that |
| 14:17.36 | Half-Left | unless the kde dev of it didnot want that to happen? |
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| 14:18.16 | Half-Left | benJIman: that would mean changing kwin right? |
| 14:18.25 | benJIman | Half-Left: no |
| 14:18.51 | benJIman | drop shadows could be drawn by either beryl or aquamarine, aquamarine doesn't atm |
| 14:18.58 | benJIman | beryl could do, I Think there are some plugins that do |
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| 14:19.34 | Half-Left | I've not seen a shadow plugin |
| 14:19.51 | benJIman | there are some on the forums |
| 14:19.52 | Half-Left | otherwise it would have been in from the start |
| 14:21.25 | cecule | How can i stop KDE always starting Digikam on CD/DVD mount ? |
| 14:22.21 | expose | cecule: afaik somewhere in kcontrol. (dont know more) |
| 14:22.28 | Half-Left | cecule: kcontrol>Peripherals>Storage media |
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| 14:23.01 | cecule | Half-Left: thx, i'll try |
| 14:23.28 | Half-Left | benJIman: suppport for KDE is pretty useless with compiz and beryl, about time they got there act together on it |
| 14:23.53 | benJIman | Half-Left: it's fine with aquamarine |
| 14:23.59 | benJIman | they're btw |
| 14:24.02 | benJIman | their even |
| 14:24.08 | Half-Left | yer, without the shadows :p |
| 14:24.09 | benJIman | argh you're all destroying my brain |
| 14:24.37 | benJIman | Half-Left: there are plugins for shadows |
| 14:25.08 | benJIman | a google found me a bout 3 |
| 14:25.11 | Half-Left | ok, i'l check |
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| 14:33.42 | cecule | Half-Left: nowhere is digikam mentioned in this dialogs, any other idea ? |
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| 14:41.27 | Aeternus\ | Hi, i'm running KDE 3.5.5 on a Debian testing... I'm noticing some differences of rendering between fonts in QT and GTK applications... GTK fonts seem to be "thin" |
| 14:42.41 | Aeternus\ | why? |
| 14:44.22 | koala_man | you mean the gtk fonts aren't antialiased? |
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| 14:44.49 | Aeternus\ | No, they are antialiased, but they look "thin"... I have a screenshot |
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| 14:54.33 | Aeternus\ | They are both well antialiased, but QT fonts look a bit "blurred" |
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| 14:55.52 | Aeternus\ | I'm uploading a screenshot |
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| 14:58.15 | rpg | Stupid kmail question (3.4 KDE): I have a saved distribution list, and I have set it as the "to" address of an email. How do I look to see who is in the distribution list? |
| 14:58.51 | Aeternus\ | http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratteri1as5.png |<--- firefox on the left and konqueror on the right |
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| 15:01.19 | eae | does anybody know how can I set the latest kmplayer to auto-hide the control panel when playing at fullscreen? |
| 15:02.49 | Aeternus\ | I can't understand what is changed... |
| 15:11.33 | hkBst | Aeternus\: that link is not working |
| 15:11.55 | Aeternus\ | hkBst: shure? |
| 15:11.58 | Aeternus\ | *sure |
| 15:12.06 | hkBst | yep |
| 15:12.19 | mirshafie | is there any way to make knotify popup windows to look different? i want it _not_ to have grey background and 5 px borders. and it would be cool to shrink it so it's not 100 px high for kopete messages :) is there any way to do it? |
| 15:12.40 | Aeternus\ | uff, I must to reboot |
| 15:12.51 | Aeternus\ | I'll be back soon, bye. |
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| 15:13.10 | e319 | how can i switch screen resolutions with restsarting? |
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| 15:14.13 | hkBst | e319: try xrandr |
| 15:17.10 | e319 | hmm xrandr ... optoion 4 is the one thatr i want, but it does not work (xrandr -d 4) |
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| 15:18.44 | Jucato | what's the difference again between $KDEDIR and $KDEHOME? (feels stupid for asking...) |
| 15:18.49 | hkBst | e319: try "xrandr" |
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| 15:20.05 | e319 | i did .... |
| 15:20.54 | e319 | perfect ty |
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| 15:21.09 | hkBst | :) |
| 15:22.04 | hkBst | Jucato: should I feel stupid for not knowing the answer? |
| 15:22.15 | Jucato | heh no. :) |
| 15:22.41 | Jucato | I'm not sure if the difference was so obvious that asking it would be stupid.. :( |
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| 15:27.04 | Half-Left | e319:, kRandRTray |
| 15:27.19 | Half-Left | gah |
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| 15:27.51 | hkBst | Jucato: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=106163227330388&w=2 explains kdehome |
| 15:28.07 | Jucato | thanks!! |
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| 15:28.15 | Half-Left | Jucato: Why dont you cd and find out :p |
| 15:28.40 | Jucato | cd $KDEDIR? |
| 15:28.44 | Half-Left | yer |
| 15:28.51 | Jucato | nothing |
| 15:28.56 | _knoppix | hello |
| 15:29.04 | hkBst | Half-Left: those vars are not defined here |
| 15:29.27 | Half-Left | obviously not |
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| 15:29.27 | Aeternus\ | Ok, I found the problem: it depends on the hinting style of antialiasing... but where I can't configure it for GTK from KDE? |
| 15:29.48 | _knoppix | who's where? |
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| 15:30.05 | Aeternus\ | *where I can |
| 15:30.07 | evert | How can i change my language in kde from english to dutch ? |
| 15:30.10 | Half-Left | Aeternus\: gnome control center in the fonts options |
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| 15:30.35 | Aeternus\ | Half-Left: but I have not gnome installed |
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| 15:30.58 | Half-Left | then you cannot |
| 15:31.23 | Half-Left | the font option in the gnome control center has the hinting options |
| 15:31.30 | hkBst | Aeternus\: maybe you can install gconf or so, but here is not the place to ask |
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| 15:31.38 | Roey | hi |
| 15:31.47 | Roey | since when did konsole stop responding to zmodem downloads? |
| 15:31.48 | _knoppix | where are you? |
| 15:32.08 | Roey | I type 'sz' inside Konsole and Konsole doesn't auto-detect the transfer.... |
| 15:32.09 | Aeternus\ | hkBst: yes, I see. Excuse me. |
| 15:32.15 | _knoppix | anyone using konversation? |
| 15:32.25 | hkBst | _knoppix: sure |
| 15:32.26 | _knoppix | lol, how do i change servers? |
| 15:32.45 | Half-Left | file>Server List |
| 15:32.55 | Sho_ | /server <server> |
| 15:33.11 | Half-Left | Sho_: :-) |
| 15:33.21 | _knoppix | i know there's only one, Freenode network.. and if i press ADD there's no list |
| 15:34.07 | jorgp | _knoppix, I bet there are some people using konversation in #konversation |
| 15:34.09 | Half-Left | Sho_: http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kgoldrunnernewiu2.png |
| 15:34.10 | hkBst | _knoppix: you mean New? there is no add |
| 15:34.18 | Sho_ | _knoppix: So go to the website of the network you want to connect to and get a server there :) |
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| 15:35.47 | Sho_ | Half-Left: That's a lot nicer, yeah |
| 15:35.54 | Half-Left | :) |
| 15:36.21 | _knoppix | well i dunno, this is version 0.18 and there's an Add button but I guess i'm supposed to enter a network address ... ok guess i will go search |
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| 15:36.35 | _knoppix | i'm just used to mIRC all the servers already there!! |
| 15:36.56 | Sho_ | 0.18 is pretty old |
| 15:37.02 | Half-Left | Sho_: i'm getting back into my graphic art after a long rest:-) |
| 15:37.19 | Jucato | Sho_: what was the last konvi version before 1.0? |
| 15:37.28 | _knoppix | heh, damn what version do you have? |
| 15:37.38 | _knoppix | this is knoppix 5 i thought that was pretty new... |
| 15:37.39 | Jucato | I have 1.0.1 |
| 15:37.39 | Sho_ | _knoppix: 1.0.1 is the current version |
| 15:38.04 | Jucato | ooh Half-Left you're a graphic artist? a man of many talents |
| 15:38.05 | Sho_ | 0.18 is about 1.5 years old |
| 15:38.16 | Sho_ | Jucato: 0.19, but there's a world of difference between 0.18 and 0.19 |
| 15:38.21 | Jucato | ah |
| 15:38.42 | _knoppix | ohhh, maybe there's a new knoppix out too |
| 15:38.59 | jordo23 | Is there a channel for linux gaming? |
| 15:39.42 | Jucato | nah. KNOPPIX 5 is the latest stable, iirc |
| 15:39.57 | _knoppix | where is everyone located?? |
| 15:40.50 | Sho_ | Berlin, Germany |
| 15:41.06 | Jucato | Laguna, Philippines |
| 15:41.12 | Jucato | (please don't hunt me down) |
| 15:41.17 | benJIman | http://worldwide.kde.org |
| 15:41.33 | _knoppix | lol.. perth, australia |
| 15:42.02 | Jucato | sob... no dots for my country... |
| 15:42.20 | benJIman | Jucato: fill in the form |
| 15:42.50 | Jucato | but I'm not a contributor... although I'm wondering why there's no dot, since one of our LoCo members was once involved in i18n |
| 15:44.08 | Half-Left | Jucato: :-) |
| 15:44.48 | Half-Left | UK here |
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| 15:45.45 | Jucato | well, based on the map, a lot of KDE contributors seem to come from Europe |
| 15:47.59 | Sho_ | Jucato: It was started in Europe, hence |
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| 15:48.14 | Jucato | yeah |
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| 15:48.44 | Jucato | but that was 10 years ago... I would have thought it has spread to the US of A since then... oh well |
| 15:48.50 | anisfarhana | greetings all |
| 15:49.07 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well, no, because then Gnome started - in the US |
| 15:49.43 | Jucato | ah yeah... GNOME... |
| 15:49.54 | thiago | KDE is still concentrated in Europe |
| 15:50.01 | thiago | and in Europe, it's still concentrated in Germany |
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| 15:50.34 | Jucato | where it all began, right? |
| 15:50.39 | Sho_ | yup |
| 15:50.44 | Sho_ | Especially Berlin is slowly becoming KDE Central ;) |
| 15:50.51 | Roey | ahh |
| 15:50.53 | Jucato | you guys are so lucky to be there :) |
| 15:50.59 | Roey | if I move to Germany |
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| 15:51.09 | Roey | can I get a job writing open-source python kde applications |
| 15:51.09 | Roey | ? |
| 15:51.37 | Roey | Jucato: how long have you been using KDE? |
| 15:51.46 | Roey | and developing KE for that matter? |
| 15:51.48 | Roey | *KDE |
| 15:51.52 | Jucato | not developing |
| 15:52.01 | Jucato | using KDE and Linux for almost 11 months... :( |
| 15:52.22 | Roey | *whoah* |
| 15:52.28 | Roey | I thought you were an old-timer :) |
| 15:52.34 | Jucato | heard of Linux through Blender 3D last year. researched for about a month, started using in January 2006 as my new year's resolution... |
| 15:52.39 | Roey | you gone cold turkey on windows? |
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| 15:52.46 | Roey | ah |
| 15:52.50 | Jucato | nah... I'm neither an old timer nor an old person :P |
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| 15:58.10 | MilhousePunkRock | How can I change the color of the tooltip background? I don't think this is covered by KControl-->Appearance-->Colors |
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| 15:59.46 | _lynx_ | hy, anybody knows howto make kghostview display landscape pdfs correctly? |
| 16:00.11 | Sho_ | _lynx_: KPDF is preferrable for PDFs, I'd say |
| 16:00.31 | _lynx_ | thanks but it gives me the same error |
| 16:00.43 | Half-Left | MilhousePunkRock: you mean the mouse overs on the kicker? |
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| 16:01.00 | MilhousePunkRock | Half-Left: Not on the kicker, those match my color scheme |
| 16:01.10 | MilhousePunkRock | but _any_ other |
| 16:01.14 | Jucato | the yellow tool tips |
| 16:01.35 | MilhousePunkRock | Jucato: Exactly those... That yellow really does not fit in here |
| 16:01.36 | _lynx_ | it displays the pdf in a landscape background, but with the contents rotated 90º and as such only half readable |
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| 16:02.37 | Half-Left | MilhousePunkRock: I dont think you can |
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| 16:03.30 | MilhousePunkRock | Looks like the devs forgot that, huh? |
| 16:03.38 | _lynx_ | gs displays the content in its correct landscape layout though |
| 16:03.52 | Jucato | maybe they really didn't intend to have that feature (to change the color) |
| 16:04.34 | MilhousePunkRock | Jucato: But you can customize anything here in the free world, so I bet they just forgot that one thing |
| 16:05.06 | Jucato | well, you can't customize your windows to be circles, right? |
| 16:05.25 | Half-Left | hehe |
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| 16:05.46 | Half-Left | Jucato: wow you missed that option :p |
| 16:05.57 | Jucato | heh |
| 16:06.01 | MilhousePunkRock | Jucato: Not on native KDE, but probably someone is already working on that... Does not make sense before they start marketing round screens though... ;-) |
| 16:06.14 | Half-Left | call yourself a KDE, bah |
| 16:06.21 | Jucato | lol |
| 16:06.21 | Sho_ | Jucato: sure you can... just code a window decoration that draws such borders |
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| 16:06.41 | Jucato | Sho_: rounded windows? (not perfect circles, though) |
| 16:06.53 | Jucato | hm... |
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| 16:07.01 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well the window decoration could also generate a circle for the given window size :) |
| 16:07.05 | Half-Left | thats a Qt thing surely |
| 16:07.21 | Jucato | I think I have a project that I'd want to do while studying C++/Qt/KDE... |
| 16:07.43 | Half-Left | code sucks, I like graphics :p |
| 16:07.52 | Jucato | making windecos and widget styles, and a tutorial on how to make them :) |
| 16:08.26 | Half-Left | nah, I tried it but it's just not for me |
| 16:08.54 | Sho_ | Jucato: I recommend Andrew Loomis |
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| 16:09.12 | Jucato | ah yes... um.. I have... nvm.... |
| 16:09.24 | Jucato | but Andre Loomis starts with drawing figures immediately... |
| 16:09.47 | Jucato | I was under the impression you needed to get the basics first, like form, perspective, etc.. |
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| 16:12.30 | knoppix_ | why is my touchpad (mouse) so sensitive??? |
| 16:12.53 | knoppix_ | is there a way to change the settings? |
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| 16:13.16 | Sho_ | knoppix_: Install ksynaptics and then see the "Touchpad" page in the control center under Peripherals |
| 16:14.08 | knoppix_ | u know how u can TAP it, and it's a mouse click... it thinks I do that even when i'm just trying to move the mouse |
| 16:14.14 | knoppix_ | thanx sho i'll try that |
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| 16:14.47 | jordo23 | When I load Kaffeine it starts to load, shows loading on my taskbar, and then disappears.....how can I fix this or find out what's wrong? |
| 16:15.45 | Jucato | jordo23: try launching it from Konsole to see error messages |
| 16:15.51 | tsb | How can I set my NIC to gigabit? mii-tools doesn't list anything about 1000mbit.. |
| 16:16.24 | jordo23 | Jucato: Nothing happens....no error messages, just goes to the next line in the console.... |
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| 16:16.50 | knoppix_ | but can u tell me how to install ksynaptics? |
| 16:16.56 | jordo23 | Jucato: No messages at all on the command line, |
| 16:17.05 | jordo23 | Jucato: Was working fine yesterday.... |
| 16:17.23 | Jucato | do you remember installing anything related to media? |
| 16:17.47 | knoppix_ | not really |
| 16:18.23 | Jucato | er sorry, the question was for jordo23 |
| 16:18.24 | jordo23 | Nope.....didn't install anything... |
| 16:18.54 | knoppix_ | so how do I install ksynaptics?? |
| 16:19.03 | jordo23 | Trying to uninstall and reinstall completely now... |
| 16:20.30 | knoppix_ | anyone.? |
| 16:20.31 | Jucato | ok good luck |
| 16:20.35 | Jucato | time for me to sleep... |
| 16:20.54 | Jucato | knoppix_: the way you install packages in Knoppix. apt-get or synaptic or kpackage |
| 16:20.57 | Half-Left | Jucato: thats for the weak |
| 16:21.08 | Jucato | I am proud to be weak :) |
| 16:21.14 | Jucato | at least I enjoy sleep :P |
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| 16:21.18 | Half-Left | you are not a true KDE user then |
| 16:21.33 | Jucato | hah |
| 16:21.36 | Jucato | tell that to the devs |
| 16:21.42 | jordo23 | Kaffeine doesn't load!!!!! ARG!!!! |
| 16:21.46 | Half-Left | they dont sleep |
| 16:21.47 | knoppix_ | hmm, how do I do that? |
| 16:21.49 | Jucato | (something like "tell that to the marines") |
| 16:21.50 | jordo23 | Even after reinstalling... |
| 16:21.53 | knoppix_ | .. guess i'll have to search around |
| 16:22.10 | Half-Left | we live on coffee |
| 16:22.12 | Half-Left | :p |
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| 16:22.41 | Jucato | knoppix_: try asking in your distro's channel how you install packages on your distro |
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| 16:22.55 | e319 | hi, iaqm getting an error that i need qt 3.2 > < 4.0 to install some themes, any ideas? i thijnk that ihave qt. |
| 16:23.27 | Half-Left | Sho_: Have you seen what it does to toilets, nice cleaner :p |
| 16:23.30 | e319 | hecking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 16:23.55 | Half-Left | e319: qt-dev |
| 16:24.02 | Half-Left | Qt-dev* |
| 16:24.08 | knoppix_ | thanx, it's knoppix live cd, but it doesn't matter anyways since I changed the mouse pointer acceleration setting and the touchpad isn't as sensitive anymore :) |
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| 16:24.35 | knoppix_ | ie. it doesn't keep clicking when i don't want it to |
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| 16:26.59 | e319 | No Match for argument: qt-dev |
| 16:27.00 | e319 | Nothing to do |
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| 16:28.51 | e319 | already installed this earlier: yum install qt-devel.i386 |
| 16:29.06 | knoppix_ | crap.. it's still sensitive |
| 16:29.30 | knoppix_ | so who wants to tell me how i install Ksynaptics on knoppix 5 live CD (if its even possible) |
| 16:31.19 | knoppix_ | crap |
| 16:31.32 | knoppix_ | everyone sleeping? |
| 16:31.36 | e319 | which distro lets you rebiuld a livecd with all of the changes that you have made / apps installed? |
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| 16:31.55 | benJIman | e319: most if you know enough |
| 16:32.31 | knoppix_ | but how do u even do it temporarily? |
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| 16:34.31 | _lynx_ | knoppix_: do you know what a package manager is |
| 16:34.44 | knoppix_ | yes, i'll go find it |
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| 16:34.55 | _lynx_ | if yes use it to find ksynaptics and install it |
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| 16:37.46 | knoppix_ | ok, where is the package manager? i know i've used it before! |
| 16:38.40 | _lynx_ | how should I know I don't use knoppix, but it should be under the system menu or something like that |
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| 16:41.03 | knoppix_ | thanx.. it's there |
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| 16:43.19 | knoppix_ | but Ksynaptics is not in there! do i have to download it or is there another package that can help reduce touchpad sensitivity? |
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| 16:44.10 | deepspace | Does anyone know if it is possible to filter any and all messages based on whether they have an image attachment, and if so, how would I go about doing that? |
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| 16:46.53 | _lynx_ | knoppix_: if I were you I would just follow these instructions: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad#Edit_xorg.conf |
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| 16:49.43 | deepspace | (in kmail) |
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| 17:24.12 | hollywoodb | dealer: can you get a term or the run dialog open ? |
| 17:24.55 | dealer | no |
| 17:25.00 | dealer | i'm using xterm.. |
| 17:25.20 | dealer | seems that kdialog can't be find or Segmentation fault stuff |
| 17:25.40 | thiago | is kdesktop running? |
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| 17:26.31 | gribouille | hi |
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| 17:26.48 | gribouille | does kate have a plugin to edit docbook documents ? |
| 17:26.59 | thiago | aren't they text files? |
| 17:27.18 | gribouille | thiago, yes |
| 17:27.32 | thiago | so why would you need a plugin? |
| 17:27.35 | gribouille | thiago, but there are XML editors |
| 17:27.37 | thiago | kate is a text editor and you have a text file |
| 17:28.12 | gribouille | thiago, editing XML documents by hand is cumbersome |
| 17:28.18 | gribouille | and error-prone |
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| 17:28.27 | thiago | I know |
| 17:28.37 | thiago | but I don't know of XML syntax-checkers and helpers for Kate |
| 17:28.39 | thiago | maybe they exist |
| 17:28.40 | dealer | thiago: no.. brazilian? |
| 17:28.53 | thiago | dealer: yes |
| 17:29.05 | dealer | thiago: me too =] |
| 17:29.08 | thiago | nice |
| 17:29.12 | thiago | so, is kdesktop running? |
| 17:29.28 | dealer | no. |
| 17:30.15 | dealer | when i try to start that in a terminal.. it prints Segmentation fault |
| 17:30.33 | thiago | your KDE installation is messed up |
| 17:30.42 | dealer | oh yeah |
| 17:30.47 | dealer | what dist do you use? |
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| 17:30.55 | thiago | what happened since it last worked? |
| 17:31.22 | dealer | i've upgraded to gentoo stable kde version.. 3.5.5.. |
| 17:31.34 | dealer | the old one was 3.5.2 |
| 17:31.38 | thiago | so you've rebuilt KDE? |
| 17:31.44 | Aeternus\ | Hi, I'm trying to extract MP3 with Konqueror from an audio CD... but the resultant files are all empty... (KDE3.5.5-Debian) |
| 17:31.56 | dealer | yes, some packages.. kdelibs.. kdebase... |
| 17:32.08 | thiago | looks like that didn't work |
| 17:32.09 | dealer | i'm rebuilding kdebase right now |
| 17:32.10 | thiago | try building again |
| 17:32.22 | thiago | start from Qt |
| 17:32.41 | dealer | but Qt is the same. |
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| 17:34.27 | dealer | so.. i have to build Qt anyway? |
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| 17:35.43 | black_13 | how would i set my cursor to be something highly visible |
| 17:37.00 | Half-Left | install a cursor theme |
| 17:37.14 | black_13 | where would i find that? |
| 17:37.21 | Half-Left | kde-look.org |
| 17:37.53 | black_13 | thanks |
| 17:38.17 | Half-Left | in kcontrol>Peripherals>Mouse |
| 17:38.25 | Half-Left | and just install the package |
| 17:39.13 | black_13 | thanks i have to restart |
| 17:40.08 | Half-Left | restart kde yes |
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| 17:40.46 | cghislai | hi |
| 17:40.50 | Half-Left | yo |
| 17:42.08 | cghislai | i have a small problem with kde3.5 here: active windows dont raise when i click on them (except in the title bar) although the option is checked... Is it a knonw bug? |
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| 17:43.30 | black_13 | yeah thats much better nice red cursor |
| 17:45.15 | Half-Left | http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0 |
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| 17:55.06 | nik | hallo |
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| 18:05.14 | Half-Left | later |
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| 18:09.34 | mdh | Is this the appropriate channel to ask about an error from Konqueror? |
| 18:10.04 | cghislai | maybe |
| 18:10.15 | cghislai | i have 1 with kwin but no answer :/ |
| 18:10.55 | emss | you have to ask first |
| 18:10.59 | mdh | Let me hear it, maybe I can help :-) |
| 18:11.43 | mdh | I'm intermittently getting a couple of errors from konqueror on the terminal from which I manually executed the command... |
| 18:11.47 | mdh | X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10 |
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| 18:11.50 | mdh | and |
| 18:11.59 | mdh | X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) 176 |
| 18:12.31 | mdh | Everything seems to be working fine in konqueror, but it is spewing these on stdout or stderr, and I was wondering why |
| 18:16.12 | PhilRod | mdh: they're probably due to scim, and they're harmless |
| 18:16.20 | PhilRod | cghislai: what is your error? |
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| 18:19.15 | cghislai | PhilRod: no window raise when i click on them, but ill come later, i must go. thanks |
| 18:19.21 | cghislai | bye |
| 18:19.51 | mdh | PhilRod - oh! I think you're right. |
| 18:20.02 | mdh | Thanks :-) |
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| 18:24.57 | wsp4th | in kdm is it possible to change the label Username on the login screen? |
| 18:26.22 | PhilRod | If you're running KDE in not-English, then you could do it moderately easily (by changing the translation) |
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| 18:27.53 | wsp4th | im looking to change it from Username to User ID |
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| 18:28.34 | Ace2016 | hi al |
| 18:28.36 | Ace2016 | hi all |
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| 18:29.29 | Ace2016 | anyone know a good podcast app? |
| 18:29.53 | PhilRod | wsp4th: actuallly, looks like you might be able to do it with themes |
| 18:29.55 | Ace2016 | i tried kitty but i don't know how much time i remaining on the podcast so its sort of useless |
| 18:30.11 | PhilRod | Ace2016: amarok can receive podcasts, I think |
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| 18:31.15 | Ace2016 | i don't like amarok any more |
| 18:31.36 | kai | Hallo |
| 18:31.39 | PhilRod | hi kai |
| 18:31.51 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 18:31.54 | kai | Wie geht´s? |
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| 18:43.35 | Ace2016 | anyone know any other podcasting app apart from amarok? |
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| 18:48.26 | dealer | thiago: é cara? |
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| 18:51.43 | xushi | erm, in kopete, it says to encrypt outgoing message with my private PGP Key XXXX... so how will my reciepient unencrypt it ? |
| 18:52.23 | thiago | dealer: ? |
| 18:52.34 | PhilRod | if they have kopete and your public key, xushi |
| 18:52.42 | thiago | xushi: with your public key |
| 18:52.45 | xushi | so how can i know what my public key is ? |
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| 18:53.05 | thiago | there is only one |
| 18:53.19 | PhilRod | xushi: you should go read up on how PGP/GPG works |
| 18:53.27 | xushi | i know how it works, thing is |
| 18:53.36 | xushi | the only time i ever did this was for tbird, which i have abandoned last year |
| 18:53.41 | thiago | I've never seen encryption with the private key |
| 18:53.42 | xushi | i'm not sure where kopete is getting these keys from |
| 18:53.50 | thiago | the signature is done with the private key, though |
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| 18:54.22 | thiago | encryption is done with the public key of the recipient |
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| 18:55.36 | home_donato | hi, is there a kdevelop channel or should I pop my questions here? |
| 18:55.37 | xushi | so how did it get my key? where from? I can't see any tutorials in google to show how to set up kopete cryptography |
| 18:55.51 | PhilRod | home_donato: #kdevelop if it exists, but here is fine |
| 18:55.59 | thiago | xushi: you give them your public key |
| 18:56.08 | thiago | or you upload it to a public key server |
| 18:56.19 | thiago | this is no different than normal GPG/PGP working |
| 18:56.29 | thiago | and you said you know how it worked |
| 18:56.39 | xushi | thiago: yes but ... bah, nevermind |
| 18:56.53 | xushi | so did kopete randomly create a private key for me ? |
| 18:57.37 | xushi | I've never used encryption on kopete. here i am looking at the plugin and it gives me a private key.. how can i know if this is injected by someone else, legit, was created by me without knowing, or there as an example ? |
| 19:00.27 | Theory | xushi: by default it pulls one from kgpg i believe |
| 19:00.27 | xushi | i don't even have that emerged .. |
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| 19:03.11 | xushi | gpgme ? |
| 19:03.25 | thiago | it's your gpg key |
| 19:03.29 | thiago | do you have gnupg? |
| 19:03.57 | xushi | 1.4.5-r2 and 1.9.94 oddly enough, yes |
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| 19:06.15 | thiago | there you go |
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| 19:06.21 | thiago | you must have generated it once in the past |
| 19:06.37 | xushi | apparently it says i have a subkey from my gmail address |
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| 19:07.33 | thiago | gpg -K |
| 19:08.07 | xushi | yea, that shows my gmail addres... |
| 19:08.15 | xushi | could gmail have somehow created one for me or something ? |
| 19:08.33 | thiago | no |
| 19:08.36 | thiago | you did |
| 19:09.44 | xushi | lol ok :) |
| 19:09.48 | xushi | i'll read up on this in the morning |
| 19:11.32 | dealer | thiago: so.. i have to build Qt anyway? |
| 19:12.33 | thiago | I'd say building Qt & kdelibs helps making sure |
| 19:12.45 | dealer | okay |
| 19:14.12 | Kim^J | Hi there. Any Quanta users in here? When touching a file it gets 700 as permissions wich is kinda wrong. Howto make it 704 for files and 701 for folders? |
| 19:14.28 | thiago | change your umask |
| 19:14.36 | Kim^J | On the FTP server then? |
| 19:14.53 | Kim^J | Ok |
| 19:14.59 | thiago | oh |
| 19:15.03 | thiago | dunno then |
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| 19:19.51 | root_ | Hello |
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| 19:25.57 | Kim^J | Hi there cwkaya |
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| 19:30.10 | cwkaya | llo kim |
| 19:31.41 | cwkaya | wake up people :d |
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| 19:33.12 | gribouille | watching TV |
| 19:33.24 | cwkaya | :d |
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| 19:43.37 | Ace2016 | i'm watching streaming tv |
| 19:43.41 | Ace2016 | well movies anyway |
| 19:45.02 | Ace2016 | and its free :D |
| 19:45.04 | Ace2016 | anyway |
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| 19:46.07 | Ace2016 | does anyone know what could cause fonts to look different in windows and linux in oowriter? i coppied the fonts over from windows into linux but for some reason i have one less line in windows and it messes up everything, is there some resolution setting or something thats effecting this? |
| 19:46.39 | annma | dpi? |
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| 19:48.33 | Ace2016 | dpi? whats that? |
| 19:48.36 | Ace2016 | a program? |
| 19:48.42 | annma | no, google for DPI |
| 19:49.05 | annma | Dot Per INch |
| 19:49.16 | annma | it's a setting |
| 19:49.25 | Ace2016 | oh found it, where is this setting? |
| 19:51.36 | annma | it's an X setting |
| 19:51.51 | annma | KDE can only set it to 96 or 100 iirc, see in KControl |
| 19:52.06 | annma | look if it's the same in windows and kde |
| 19:52.06 | Sutoka | 96 or 120 i think it was |
| 19:52.09 | Ace2016 | and this effects oo? |
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| 19:52.21 | piztek2 | how do i enable desktop effects in kde? |
| 19:52.26 | annma | Ace2016: not sure about oo but probably it affects everything |
| 19:52.30 | annma | logically |
| 19:52.34 | Sutoka | piztek2: desktop effects? |
| 19:52.38 | piztek2 | yeah |
| 19:52.40 | piztek2 | like gnome |
| 19:52.53 | Ace2016 | gnome naming system isn't that great |
| 19:53.05 | Ace2016 | like transparency? fading? shaddows? |
| 19:53.14 | piztek2 | wobble and cube desktop |
| 19:53.14 | annma | piggz: what are gnome effects? |
| 19:53.22 | annma | cube desktop? |
| 19:53.23 | Sutoka | hm... Konqueror freezes every time i try to go to: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/allpackages (its a LOOONG page) |
| 19:53.38 | piztek2 | you must not have seen gnome do it yet |
| 19:53.39 | Ace2016 | piztek2: thats a compiz+xgl effect |
| 19:53.40 | piggz | annma: ?? |
| 19:53.48 | piztek2 | can it be enabled in kde? |
| 19:53.53 | Sutoka | piztek2: yes |
| 19:53.53 | annma | piggz: sorry, wrong completion |
| 19:53.57 | piggz | :) |
| 19:53.59 | bluestorm | piztek2: |
| 19:54.01 | piztek2 | Sutoka: how? |
| 19:54.02 | annma | was for piztek2 |
| 19:54.06 | bluestorm | those effects are not gnome-specific |
| 19:54.08 | Sutoka | piztek2: do you have Xorg + AIGLX, nvidia beta drivers, or Xgl installed and setup? |
| 19:54.09 | bluestorm | piztek2: |
| 19:54.11 | bluestorm | use beryl |
| 19:54.15 | bluestorm | and aquamarine |
| 19:54.18 | piztek2 | yes |
| 19:54.20 | Ace2016 | bluestorm: beryl? |
| 19:54.23 | bluestorm | hm |
| 19:54.25 | Ace2016 | i'll google that |
| 19:54.27 | Sutoka | piztek2: if so, just set beryl as your window manager for kde |
| 19:54.27 | bluestorm | the compiz fork |
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| 19:54.37 | bluestorm | but actually piztek2 |
| 19:54.37 | piztek2 | Sutoka: how can i do that? |
| 19:54.49 | Ace2016 | i'll have a look at the ubuntu forums, there is usually a how to there |
| 19:54.58 | bluestorm | i personnaly think beryl isn't worth the try for know |
| 19:55.10 | Ace2016 | bluestorm: you suggested it |
| 19:55.11 | bluestorm | KDE's natural WM is pretty good |
| 19:55.11 | piztek2 | how come |
| 19:55.15 | Sutoka | piztek2: set the variable KDEWM=beryl-manager or KDEWM=beryl in ~/.kde/env or in a file that depends on your distro (may not exist) |
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| 19:55.38 | Sutoka | yeah beryl/compiz aren't that great as far as window managers go |
| 19:55.45 | bluestorm | the only things you can have more is fancy 3D effect |
| 19:55.49 | Sutoka | if you only want eye candy and not power they're good though |
| 19:55.51 | bluestorm | not realy interesting |
| 19:56.00 | thiago | DPI shouldn't affect a word processor program |
| 19:56.17 | annma | thiago: no? |
| 19:56.25 | Ace2016 | thiago: thats what i was thinking |
| 19:56.31 | bluestorm | except the desktop manager switching, wich we have in KDE, the expose-like feature, wich we have too (kompose) |
| 19:56.37 | thiago | annma: no |
| 19:56.47 | thiago | the DPI on paper is completely different |
| 19:56.57 | annma | ok |
| 19:57.11 | piztek2 | there isn't a gui for enabling desktop effects? |
| 19:57.12 | thiago | since the word processor application is editing something to be printed, it has to calculate the representation of the page given the DPI |
| 19:57.16 | thiago | not the other way around |
| 19:58.01 | bluestorm | piztek2: hum |
| 19:58.09 | bluestorm | there is the beryl settings manager |
| 19:58.18 | bluestorm | really afwul :p |
| 19:58.18 | piztek2 | how do i get to it? |
| 19:58.24 | bluestorm | just install beryl |
| 19:58.30 | bluestorm | what's your distribution ? |
| 19:58.32 | piztek2 | yum install beryl |
| 19:58.35 | piztek2 | 3.5 |
| 19:58.38 | piztek2 | fedora |
| 19:58.42 | thiago | there are 792pt in height in a Letter paper, 841.8 in A4 |
| 19:58.53 | bluestorm | oh, dunno fedora, so i can't say anything |
| 19:59.10 | bluestorm | (gentoo peoples have a special overlay for beryl, compiz and so on) |
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| 20:01.33 | piztek2 | sorry, closed out, beryl is claiming it's missing dependencies. |
| 20:02.04 | bluestorm | piztek2: you should ask on you're distribution channel |
| 20:02.33 | piztek2 | okay |
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| 20:18.58 | waiting | man jetzt hör ich endlich mal die musik, die ich da duie ganze zeit abspiele |
| 20:19.07 | waiting | oops, ww, sbt |
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| 20:21.13 | cwkaya | Hello people i'm back |
| 20:21.15 | [GALAXY] | waiting: macht nix |
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| 20:27.02 | fraguel | hola |
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| 20:27.58 | fraguel | alguien habla español? |
| 20:28.18 | pinotree | fraguel: this is an english channel |
| 20:29.08 | fraguel | ok |
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| 20:30.25 | fraguel | there is spanish channel ? |
| 20:31.01 | PhilRod | #kde-es |
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| 20:32.28 | mariux | êspãñõl |
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| 20:33.36 | [GALAXY] | vaia limpiar los lavabos :) |
| 20:33.41 | [GALAXY] | my spanish sucks anyways |
| 20:33.46 | e319 | hi i accidentally removed all of my applets/stuff from my menu bar, how can i return the 4 windows that let me switch between desktpops? |
| 20:34.01 | e319 | voy a limpiar* :P |
| 20:34.04 | [GALAXY] | e319: right click on the panel and add the stuff |
| 20:34.36 | e319 | i cant see anything like window manage, desktpps etc. |
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| 20:38.39 | e319 | no ideas? |
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| 20:43.39 | Ace2016 | e319: so what happened? |
| 20:43.54 | Ace2016 | e319: did you delete your kicker? |
| 20:44.30 | e319 | got it sorry :P |
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| 20:44.50 | e319 | i am wondering though, how can i keep apps open and have them in the same desktop when i startx net time and boot my pc? |
| 20:45.17 | Ace2016 | you mean continue from last time sort of like opera can? |
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| 20:45.44 | Ace2016 | you can enable it through sessions but some apps won't work with it, best to save any work your doing |
| 20:45.58 | e319 | ok :P |
| 20:46.00 | annma | e319: enable keep current session in kcontrol |
| 20:46.09 | annma | all kde apps will restaure |
| 20:46.21 | annma | for non-kde apps, well, some don't |
| 20:46.21 | e319 | where is kcontrol? |
| 20:46.24 | e319 | ok... |
| 20:46.46 | Ace2016 | annma: all kde or all qt apps? |
| 20:47.00 | Ace2016 | since amarok isn't a kde app |
| 20:47.05 | annma | no? |
| 20:47.10 | annma | it does need kdelibs |
| 20:47.11 | e319 | how do i get to kcontrol? |
| 20:47.20 | annma | hence it's a kde app Ace2016 |
| 20:47.26 | Ace2016 | ah so anything that uses kdelibs will restore? |
| 20:47.32 | annma | yes |
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| 20:48.05 | annma | e319: Alt+F2 and type kcontrol |
| 20:48.13 | Ace2016 | so a kde app is classed as an app written in qt which is dependant on kde libs? |
| 20:48.14 | annma | or look in your K menu |
| 20:48.23 | annma | Ace2016: yes |
| 20:48.30 | annma | makes sense |
| 20:48.36 | e319 | i have used linux for like 5 years on and off but opnly with remote servers - today is my second day with linux and a gui, and tips, software that i should get etc - coming from a mac and a pc background, but with lots of programming and design experience. hmm |
| 20:48.39 | annma | a Qt app needs only qt libs |
| 20:48.50 | Ace2016 | e319: get qtcurve |
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| 20:49.18 | e319 | ahh i didnt know kcontrol or control center were the same, sorryt - |
| 20:49.24 | od | hi, my controlcenter shows me no options, neither as root nor as user. i just installed a debian testing |
| 20:49.25 | e319 | ok ... |
| 20:49.48 | annma | od boo, ask in #debian |
| 20:49.49 | [GALAXY] | e319: well you need to right click on the panel.. there you see something like "add applets" or something.. click it and you get a window where you can chose the elements to add to the panel.. including the 4 windows thing |
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| 20:50.24 | e319 | well i got the window back, just cant figure out wheere enable session saving is :P |
| 20:50.47 | [GALAXY] | e319: no need to do this.. kde will automagically save it for oyu |
| 20:51.04 | Ace2016 | e319: qtcurve is the best theme there is at the moment http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492 |
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| 20:51.54 | e319 | i am using plastik now, i thijnk its beautiful :P |
| 20:52.14 | picca | plastik is very beautiful |
| 20:52.17 | Ace2016 | [GALAXY]: unless your distro changes the default settings, debian might since they default to gnome |
| 20:52.20 | e319 | i tried to install baghira and lipstick, got errors regarding Qt, installed qt and devel and libs .. heh nothing still worked - |
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| 20:52.46 | Ace2016 | picca: but qtcurve with the right colour scheme will blow plastik away |
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| 20:53.58 | picca | Ace2016: the minimize button looks odd, in that the white bar is in the centre |
| 20:55.00 | e319 | Ace: recommended color scheme? still making, odd this is the only theme that has actually ./configured |
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| 20:56.05 | Ace2016 | picca: what app is that? |
| 20:56.12 | Ace2016 | e319: i'll show you a screen shot |
| 20:56.17 | picca | Ace2016: was just looking at a screen shot |
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| 20:57.43 | e311 | hmm, whoops. ok how can i install this theme? i believbe that ./configure and make then make install went fine. when igo kcontrol and theme viewer, i dont see qtcurve there .... |
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| 20:58.00 | Ace2016 | Here it is http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot3ha3.png |
| 20:58.36 | Ace2016 | e311: thats because you have to use ./configure --prefix=/usr but replae /usr with where your debian's kde is |
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| 20:59.05 | e311 | hmm. where would fc6 have kde? /use/bin/kde? |
| 20:59.10 | benJIman | e311: kde-config --prefix |
| 20:59.12 | picca | Ace2016: what did you use for your kde button? |
| 20:59.33 | Ace2016 | picca: its on kde-look i just made it smaller |
| 21:00.07 | picca | Ace2016: what about the blue background behind it with that curve? |
| 21:00.11 | Ace2016 | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=34934 |
| 21:00.44 | picca | cheers |
| 21:01.00 | picca | oh not kbfx :( |
| 21:01.01 | e311 | is it possible to get themes for fc6 with binaries or with yum? |
| 21:01.18 | Ace2016 | fc6? |
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| 21:02.45 | od | my controlcenter shows me no options, neither as root nor as user. "kcmshell --list" shows also nothing. its on a fresh debian etch (kde3.5.5) |
| 21:03.33 | e311 | fedora core 6 |
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| 21:06.46 | Ace2016 | does fedora core have something like checkinstall? |
| 21:07.29 | benJIman | you can probably install checkinstall on fedora anyway |
| 21:07.57 | Ace2016 | checkinstall i great, ./configure make and checkinstall -D and then i can forever keep the deb and never have to compile it again untill a new version is out |
| 21:08.11 | Ace2016 | helps if you keep reinstalling or switching distros |
| 21:09.34 | benJIman | It doesn't generate packages suitable for distribution |
| 21:09.40 | e311 | checkinstall, must see - i found kde, its in # /usr/share/applications so hopefully this works. how can i paste withy the keyboard in aterm window? |
| 21:09.43 | benJIman | but great for having an easy way to remove things you build yourself |
| 21:09.58 | Ace2016 | benJIman: but the packages will work for my system perfectly |
| 21:10.12 | benJIman | might not work on another of your systems though |
| 21:10.26 | Ace2016 | e311: run konsole |
| 21:12.06 | e311 | ok but to paste? |
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| 21:12.35 | Ace2016 | in konsole you can use edit paste or you can use the middle mouse button to paste |
| 21:12.50 | Ace2016 | i just said |
| 21:14.01 | Ace2016 | brb |
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| 21:14.10 | e311 | never got that msg Ace2016 |
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| 21:23.40 | simmerz | can kmail use a different sending profile depending on the email address that the email is coming from? |
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| 21:58.07 | e319 | ace: i still cant get any damn themes to work! :/ |
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| 22:03.16 | jloup_ | hello, last week i meet konqui in paris: http://konqueror.fr/konqui_in_paris.jpg |
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| 22:19.39 | master_tux | How do I record mic input with KDE? |
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| 22:28.33 | thiago | master_tux: rec |
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| 22:37.44 | endra | hey guys |
| 22:38.03 | endra | I installed kdebase-startkde and when I do startkde it says 'no server "X" in PATH' |
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| 22:39.30 | gribouille | endra, distro ? |
| 22:39.38 | endra | gentoo |
| 22:39.51 | pinotree | endra: that is more a distro problem, than a kde issue |
| 22:40.10 | pinotree | having a good configured X server is a task of the distro |
| 22:40.17 | endra | you know there has not been 1 question that I've asked here that wasn't redirected to another channel |
| 22:40.17 | endra | lol |
| 22:40.27 | pinotree | so, please ask in #gentoo |
| 22:40.52 | pinotree | well, if the question is totally out of kde scope |
| 22:41.00 | endra | you see, I do 'startkde', and the 'startkde' program is saying there is no X server in PATH |
| 22:41.24 | pinotree | because there's something misconfigured in YOUR X installatin |
| 22:41.24 | endra | maybe if I install X |
| 22:42.29 | Renze | endra: correct installation is always the domain of the distro |
| 22:42.38 | endra | I just realized i didnt install X |
| 22:42.56 | Renze | if you do a half-assed install, of course nothing will work |
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| 22:43.13 | endra | Well, its my second time installing KDE.. first time if you dont count failures lol |
| 22:43.52 | Renze | um, "emerge kde" is not difficult, and will install everything you need, including X |
| 22:44.13 | endra | I dont want everything, I just want kdebase-startkde, and from there I'll do the rest, but apparently that doesn't include X |
| 22:44.26 | endra | Its a real old pc that is why :) |
| 22:44.35 | endra | I'm emerging xorg-x11 |
| 22:44.41 | endra | emerge is such a cool word. |
| 22:44.52 | endra | I know.. I should've just used windows |
| 22:45.03 | endra | pop in cd, wait 39 minutes, and voila |
| 22:45.14 | pinotree | or just use a binary-packages distro |
| 22:45.17 | Renze | endra: there are plenty of binary distros for older hardware |
| 22:45.26 | Renze | endra: check out kubuntu |
| 22:45.28 | endra | But none that use cool words like 'emerge' |
| 22:45.41 | HomeRoey | how about "birth" |
| 22:45.44 | HomeRoey | birth kde |
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| 22:45.54 | pinotree | alias emerge='apt-get install' |
| 22:46.01 | HomeRoey | birthing 'kde'...kde has been born |
| 22:46.02 | Renze | quack! |
| 22:46.07 | endra | how about "andGodSaidLetThereBe" |
| 22:46.12 | endra | andGodSaidLetThereBe kde |
| 22:46.18 | HomeRoey | creat kde |
| 22:46.30 | Renze | "gimme kde" |
| 22:46.40 | HomeRoey | :) |
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| 22:46.59 | HomeRoey | :) |
| 22:47.04 | HomeRoey | gimme |
| 22:47.05 | HomeRoey | takeback |
| 22:47.05 | Renze | gimme! |
| 22:47.07 | HomeRoey | nice! |
| 22:47.28 | HomeRoey | so what will novell's future package manager look like |
| 22:47.29 | HomeRoey | "buy" |
| 22:47.31 | HomeRoey | I think. |
| 22:47.37 | Renze | "infect" |
| 22:47.42 | HomeRoey | buy Desktop-Environment |
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| 22:48.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I enable tooltips? |
| 22:48.17 | endra | you know, all linux should charge $0.01 per dependencie |
| 22:48.18 | endra | just to make some cash |
| 22:48.26 | HomeRoey | list-products | package-belongs-to "kde" | buy |
| 22:48.27 | endra | they'd make liek $5 from every user.. one time payments |
| 22:48.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | No apps, Kopete, Konversation, none have them for some reson |
| 22:48.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | reason* |
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| 22:49.15 | Renze | Dark_Apostrophe: kcontrol -> appearance & themes -> style, tick enable tooltips |
| 22:49.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Renze: Thanks |
| 22:49.31 | Renze | no problem |
| 22:49.34 | AlexElliott | Only stupid users who don't go and download the dependencies themselves :p |
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| 22:50.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | AlexElliott: What do you mean by that? |
| 22:50.25 | AlexElliott | endra's idea to charge per dep |
| 22:50.43 | endra | yea? |
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| 22:52.14 | AlexElliott | ...don't worry about it |
| 22:52.47 | endra | It wasn't a 'yea? what do you mean?' it was a 'yea? you think so?' |
| 22:52.48 | endra | lol |
| 22:53.00 | endra | pft, learn to read yea?'s |
| 22:53.33 | Renze | orly? |
| 22:53.37 | endra | yea?rly |
| 22:54.34 | AlexElliott | Well, yes, I do think so, because the distributions have no real control over the dependancies, since they are not developed by the same people in nearly all cases. So the only way they could charge would be for the priviledge of using their repos, so downloading directly would bypass the charge. |
| 22:55.49 | endra | how do the developpers make money |
| 22:56.18 | Renze | they usually work for a living |
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| 22:56.20 | Smiley | hey guys |
| 22:56.23 | Smiley | just booted up kde |
| 22:56.28 | AlexElliott | Donations in most cases, or from selling other things like shirts etc |
| 22:56.29 | PhilRod | cool :- |
| 22:56.32 | endra | well, see, its not fair that they work for a living |
| 22:56.32 | Smiley | and control center wont start (first time booting in gentoo) |
| 22:56.43 | PhilRod | Smiley: did you install the whole of kdebase? |
| 22:56.48 | pinotree | ? |
| 22:56.49 | AlexElliott | They can make a living on those |
| 22:56.50 | endra | Look at bill gates, he makes billions and they make .. $10 donation here, $20 there.. |
| 22:57.02 | Smiley | i think so... |
| 22:57.09 | PhilRod | alright thanks pinotree - just about to get busy (wihch is good :-). How are you? |
| 22:57.31 | AlexElliott | i.e. Pat who runs Slackware has no other job, gets enough money from Slackware which is free to download. |
| 22:57.32 | endra | I gotta go, be back later |
| 22:57.37 | pinotree | quite busy lately with university, too :) apart from that's it goes fine |
| 22:58.02 | Smiley | i did somemeta install |
| 22:58.05 | Smiley | kdebase-meta? |
| 22:58.48 | PhilRod | hrm, I don't know sorry Smiley, but there are plenty of gentoo users around here (usually) |
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| 23:00.41 | endra | it pulls it everything |
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| 23:02.07 | Smiley | erm |
| 23:02.10 | Smiley | how do i get a console? |
| 23:02.29 | Renze | kmenu -> system -> konsole |
| 23:03.12 | Smiley | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.14 | Smiley | thats what i did |
| 23:03.43 | Renze | then you should have everything |
| 23:04.01 | Renze | what errors, if any, do you get when trying to start kcontrol from konsole? |
| 23:04.16 | Smiley | none |
| 23:04.17 | Smiley | heh, |
| 23:04.18 | Smiley | it works xD |
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| 23:08.07 | simon23 | hello, i installed kwin decorations via apt-get .... but now i cant choose them in my kontrol center (they should be at window decorations... right?) |
| 23:08.16 | simon23 | can anyone help me out ? |
| 23:09.37 | PhilRod | simon23: seems unlikely, but maybe you need to run kbuildsycoca |
| 23:10.48 | simon23 | PhilRod: thanks - i will try that, never heard that before... |
| 23:13.05 | simon23 | mmh...had about 100 warnings or so... |
| 23:13.18 | thiago | normal |
| 23:13.34 | simon23 | really? |
| 23:13.54 | simon23 | nearly all of them are about undefined mimetype/servicetype |
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| 23:14.38 | PhilRod | yeah, it also outputs errors that are harmless (that's quite bad, I think) |
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| 23:15.40 | Renze | I think hiding the warnings unless using kbuildsycoca --verbose would be a good idea ;) |
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| 23:17.30 | thiago | simon23: yep, normal warnings |
| 23:17.37 | thiago | that happens all of the time |
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| 23:20.26 | simon23 | okay - nothing changed.... now i'll try to restart my Xserver.... |
| 23:22.10 | simon23 | i definetly installed kwin-style-serenity and kwin-style-suse2 ...arent those things styles for the windows ? how to look like ...close buttons and stuff like that ? |
| 23:23.31 | thiago | window decoration styles, it would seem |
| 23:23.38 | thiago | so, yeah |
| 23:23.58 | simon23 | okay - see you... i will restart my xserver now... |
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| 23:34.18 | XVampireX | Can anyone please tell me how to make the language groups change when I press alt+shift? |
| 23:34.34 | XVampireX | because I am getting tired of having to click the icon every time |
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| 23:56.59 | smileaf | welcome back. |
| 23:57.16 | smileaf | <-- scared the smiley away! |
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| 23:58.00 | khatahn | if i set konqueror in the fullscreen mode, the windows that are set to be kept above others go below konqueror. is there a way to keep them above all others in this case too? |
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| 23:59.31 | niles | hi |
| 23:59.41 | niles | hi, i just migrated from gnome. |
