| 00:00.25 | TheDrizzle | Yea that's what it looks like BenJIman.. trying to figure out which is what I'm doing now. |
| 00:00.26 | bluekb | Any suggestions on configuration files or other places I could look? |
| 00:00.26 | TheDrizzle | I like Solaris a lot. No reason to stop using it. |
| 00:00.36 | TheDrizzle | Works great, the last thing I need is someone telling me to not use it when they know nothing about it. |
| 00:00.50 | Renze | TheDrizzle: you are aware that KDE3 will not work with Qt4, yes? |
| 00:01.03 | TheDrizzle | It was running KDE perfectly before I went and fucked it up with Qt.. I think Ben is on the right track. |
| 00:01.12 | TheDrizzle | I'm not using Qt4 |
| 00:01.15 | PopaBear | DirkGently, ok this time the epicycle is gone ... but still no lock or indication of a specific screen saver or whatever |
| 00:01.16 | TheDrizzle | 3.3.3 |
| 00:01.26 | Renze | 3.3.6 here |
| 00:02.04 | DirkGently | PopaBear: any xscreensaver in the ps output? |
| 00:02.10 | PopaBear | nope |
| 00:02.27 | PopaBear | nothign that would even remotly look like one either |
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| 00:08.04 | DirkGently | PopaBear: not sure what else to suggest... |
| 00:08.21 | PopaBear | ok thanks for the help anyway .. |
| 00:08.37 | PopaBear | its not that critical ... would just be nice to have t workign |
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| 00:09.38 | DirkGently | I'm sure there are others more knowledgeable than me but I guess they're not here at the moment |
| 00:09.55 | DirkGently | anyway off to bed.. nn |
| 00:10.04 | PopaBear | thanks |
| 00:10.19 | DirkGently | np :) |
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| 00:13.24 | TheDrizzle | looks like blastwave has Qt 3.3.5 REV=2006.03.13 |
| 00:13.28 | TheDrizzle | I could try that maybe. . . |
| 00:13.40 | TheDrizzle | After I uninstall everything. |
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| 00:51.30 | feindbild | I guess there are no mencoder gurus here? ^^ |
| 00:53.20 | Zeroth404 | I code men |
| 00:56.09 | workman161 | Any idea why my keyboard focus doesn't stay on the same screen of a 2-screen Xorg setup after hiding yakuake? |
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| 01:13.52 | dl325 | workman161: does it always return to screen 1, or does it always toggle? |
| 01:14.01 | workman161 | always screen 1 |
| 01:14.01 | treffer | hi, I've a very strange problem with kdenlive: the save project folder shows only "Unknown" file types -> I can't save a project at all. But thats not the strangest thing - I *can* run the application als root - it workes flawless - but I *can't* run it with "HOME=/home/treffer kdenlive". I've already wiped .kde (oops - didn't read the channel topic), dropped in my root's .kde (and chowned it) - but it does not work... Any ideas? |
| 01:14.37 | treffer | "save project dialog - not "save project folder" |
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| 01:16.41 | Half-Left | treffer: Sounds like a permissions issue with your distro |
| 01:16.52 | dl325 | workman161: sounds like a bug. I say report it |
| 01:17.05 | dl325 | gw280: ping? |
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| 01:17.43 | treffer | Half-Left: well - "HOME//home/treffer kdenlive" should work as root anyway... so it can't be a permission issue... |
| 01:18.03 | dl325 | didn't think so. *goes to bed* |
| 01:18.37 | Half-Left | so you can run it ok as user? |
| 01:19.07 | Half-Left | it's just when you try to save a project? |
| 01:19.17 | treffer | one second |
| 01:19.32 | treffer | jus made a screenshot |
| 01:19.56 | treffer | The problem occures as soon as I am using my users home |
| 01:21.45 | treffer | http://home.in.tum.de/~treffer/kdenlive.png << sry, screenshot of both screens.... |
| 01:21.50 | dl325 | treffer: ls -a ~ | grep k |
| 01:22.22 | dl325 | it might be storing files outside of .kde |
| 01:23.44 | treffer | dl325: http://rafb.net/paste/results/xGQzGu38.html |
| 01:24.13 | treffer | kde3.5 is a backup of my old .kde |
| 01:25.38 | dl325 | only other thing I can think of is # useradd -m test |
| 01:26.15 | dl325 | then ssh -X test@localhost to tet it |
| 01:26.21 | dl325 | *test |
| 01:26.25 | treffer | dl325: good idea... |
| 01:27.26 | dl325 | but I need my beauty sleep |
| 01:27.26 | dl325 | see you round |
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| 01:30.10 | Tuxguy | Anyone know why KMid doesn't play audio, only words? |
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| 01:32.19 | treffer | ok - it does not work with a new user.. might be permissions - but why doesn't it work with root + HOME=/.... |
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| 01:35.08 | Renze | Tuxguy: no soundfont loaded into your sound card? |
| 01:35.29 | Tuxguy | Renze, I'm not sure how to tell.... |
| 01:35.40 | Tuxguy | Renze, All of my other sound applications are working |
| 01:35.55 | Renze | midi requires a patchset of some description |
| 01:36.13 | Renze | or midi emulation, like timidity |
| 01:36.28 | Tuxguy | Ok, I will install timidity, then I should be able to hear sound also? |
| 01:36.51 | Renze | only if you start timidity in daemon mode, and set kmid to use timidity as the midi device |
| 01:37.07 | Tuxguy | I wonder if I have another midi device installed.. |
| 01:37.10 | Renze | and install an appropriate patchset for timidity |
| 01:37.58 | Tuxguy | Right not Kmid is using Midi through alsa through port 0 |
| 01:38.36 | Renze | that's normal... but if your soundcard doesn't have a soundfont or patchset loaded, it can't make any sounds |
| 01:39.16 | Renze | get your sound card's midi stuff working properly first |
| 01:39.25 | XVampireX | Anyone here using any of the OS X panels thingies for KDE? |
| 01:39.48 | Tuxguy | That's what I am trying to do Renze , do you know what I should do? |
| 01:39.51 | XVampireX | I want to know how it works, how do you monitor which windows are open and which are closed? |
| 01:40.13 | Renze | that falls outside the scope of this channel |
| 01:40.25 | XVampireX | Right... |
| 01:40.26 | Tuxguy | :( |
| 01:40.32 | Tuxguy | me? or XVampireX ? |
| 01:40.34 | XVampireX | Oh |
| 01:40.35 | Renze | you |
| 01:40.42 | Tuxguy | Where can I find out? |
| 01:40.43 | treffer | AArrrrgggggggghhhhh /usr/share/mimelnk not 755 but 700?!? |
| 01:40.45 | XVampireX | Tuxguy: ALSA channel |
| 01:40.52 | XVampireX | Tuxguy: #alsa |
| 01:40.58 | Renze | Tuxguy: try asking in your distro channel, or using Google |
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| 01:42.56 | treffer | thanks for your help! |
| 01:43.53 | XVampireX | sugoi |
| 01:44.08 | Jucato | nani? |
| 01:45.08 | XVampireX | daijoubu desu ka |
| 01:45.30 | Jucato | lol |
| 01:45.54 | Jucato | hai! ツ |
| 01:46.59 | XVampireX | ok |
| 01:53.58 | enilb | Anyone know of a way to connect the gmail address book with the kde one? |
| 01:54.46 | enilb | Not to mention that would do nothing for the gmail web interface. |
| 01:55.22 | hydrogen | you could export/import |
| 01:55.29 | hydrogen | but I don't think there is a way to keep them in sync |
| 01:55.53 | enilb | yeah, that's a shame |
| 01:56.09 | enilb | I was thinking maybe there is some google api for it like there is for other stuff. |
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| 02:22.44 | SJr|Work | UGH! |
| 02:23.32 | SJr|Work | If I'm using kate to edit files over FTP, is there a way to reproduce the behaivor when a file is modified on the remote server to prompt me. |
| 02:24.44 | wolsni | SJr|Work: F5 reloads the file, but I don't know if kate can do what you're talking about |
| 02:24.54 | SJr|Work | it does it for local files |
| 02:25.16 | wolsni | SJr|Work: yep, but I'm not sure there's an option to enable that for remote files |
| 02:26.41 | SJr|Work | :'( |
| 02:26.45 | SJr|Work | Hmmmmm |
| 02:26.53 | SJr|Work | ugh |
| 02:26.53 | SJr|Work | this sucks |
| 02:27.37 | hollywoodb | SJr|Work: not a KDE-centric app, but gobby might do that, I haven't used it myself |
| 02:28.13 | wolsni | hollywoodb: gobby uses its own protocol and really isn't about remote editing |
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| 02:41.04 | Renze | hey! I'm not *that* fat! |
| 02:41.15 | Jucato | I wasn't implying anything :P |
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| 02:43.10 | Jucato | btw Renze, how much hard disk space do you usually need for Gentoo? 5GB is ok? (excluding /home of course) |
| 02:43.21 | Renze | depends on what you install |
| 02:43.32 | Renze | basic install is just enough to give you a command prompt, nothing more |
| 02:43.54 | Jucato | Renze: of course a KDE install :) |
| 02:44.25 | Renze | dunno... never tried installing to something that small |
| 02:45.21 | Jucato | hm. ok... |
| 02:45.32 | Jucato | I'm only using around 3GB on this kde-core system... |
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| 02:46.03 | Renze | it also depends on your make.conf settings (use flags, cflags, etc) |
| 02:46.12 | Jucato | hm... ok |
| 02:46.21 | Jucato | when the time comes, I'll ask in #gentoo :( |
| 02:46.35 | Renze | it's all well documented in the gentoo docs |
| 02:46.43 | Jucato | er nvm.... I forgot, never ask such simple questions in Gentoo... never ask |
| 02:46.50 | Renze | bbl... nature calls |
| 02:46.53 | Jucato | lol |
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| 02:51.18 | Renze | aaahhh... that's better |
| 02:51.46 | Jucato | eewwww |
| 02:51.53 | Jucato | It reeks |
| 02:51.58 | Renze | it does |
| 02:52.03 | Renze | want some vegemite? |
| 02:52.39 | hollywoodb | when I did KDE w/ a *bunch* of USE flags I was topping 6GB... and four days of compile time on my Pentium M 1.8GHz |
| 02:54.16 | Renze | didn't take that long on my Athlon XP 1800+ (1.5GHz) |
| 02:54.33 | Jucato | wow |
| 02:54.47 | Jucato | 6GB.... |
| 02:54.49 | Jucato | why that big? |
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| 03:00.23 | illogic-al | AIGLX is cool |
| 03:00.28 | illogic-al | way coller than XGL |
| 03:00.42 | illogic-al | Fedora/Redhat 1. Suse 0 |
| 03:01.19 | hollywoodb | Jucato: I dunno.... I enabled a ridiculous # of USE flags just to see if everything played nice together |
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| 03:16.58 | |ReK2CaS| | hi |
| 03:17.04 | illogic-al | Hello |
| 03:17.11 | |ReK2CaS| | anyone knows how to change the default color-scheme from the shell? |
| 03:17.18 | |ReK2CaS| | Im trying to change it remotely |
| 03:17.22 | |ReK2CaS| | no access to X |
| 03:17.50 | |ReK2CaS| | I can see the deferent themes for it but cant find a file were it says witch one to use |
| 03:18.03 | |ReK2CaS| | Im login into a kubuntu desktop |
| 03:18.07 | |ReK2CaS| | from my gentoo one :-D |
| 03:18.30 | |ReK2CaS| | I cant find anything on the net.. all I found is to do it from the control-panel |
| 03:18.35 | |ReK2CaS| | no good for me |
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| 03:18.57 | illogic-al | if you have a color _theme_ that you want to change to it's possible. |
| 03:19.04 | |ReK2CaS| | yes |
| 03:19.06 | |ReK2CaS| | I do |
| 03:19.10 | |ReK2CaS| | is one I wrote |
| 03:19.16 | |ReK2CaS| | of course I put it on the right folder |
| 03:19.32 | |ReK2CaS| | kdisplay/color-schemes/ |
| 03:19.33 | illogic-al | what is this "right folder" you speak of? |
| 03:20.07 | |ReK2CaS| | in the kubuntu case is on /usr/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/ |
| 03:22.00 | |ReK2CaS| | ? |
| 03:22.44 | illogic-al | the color scheme used is probably written to ~/.kde/share/somewhere |
| 03:22.57 | illogic-al | I'm not entirely sure where in there. I'm looking right now. |
| 03:23.01 | |ReK2CaS| | hmm no way to make it a default? |
| 03:23.04 | |ReK2CaS| | ok. |
| 03:23.19 | |ReK2CaS| | I also ask cause I may want to make it default to all users |
| 03:23.26 | |ReK2CaS| | till they change it to somethign else |
| 03:23.33 | |ReK2CaS| | this is a modify theme with my company stuff |
| 03:23.58 | illogic-al | ah. i think i may have found it. |
| 03:24.03 | illogic-al | ~/.kderc |
| 03:24.04 | |ReK2CaS| | cool |
| 03:24.14 | |ReK2CaS| | but that will be only to the user right? |
| 03:24.15 | illogic-al | All that's in that file is a list of color codes |
| 03:24.43 | illogic-al | yes. that file is just for the user |
| 03:24.52 | illogic-al | you get to find the global one yourself :-) |
| 03:24.56 | |ReK2CaS| | I will like to make it the default theme system wide |
| 03:25.02 | |ReK2CaS| | he trying.. |
| 03:25.04 | |ReK2CaS| | one sec |
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| 03:25.11 | |ReK2CaS| | locate kderc |
| 03:25.47 | |ReK2CaS| | ok I found /etc/kderc |
| 03:25.57 | |ReK2CaS| | and points to a main theme |
| 03:26.12 | |ReK2CaS| | Directorier-default |
| 03:26.17 | |ReK2CaS| | and Directories |
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| 04:01.03 | Kiirani | Er, does anyone know if kpdf is supposed to be able to print things in landscape? (rotated 90 degrees would also be acceptable) |
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| 04:03.32 | wolsni | Kiirani: i believe that's an option in the printer settings |
| 04:04.13 | day | oi |
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| 04:05.07 | illogic-al | Kiirani: as wolsni said kpdf doesn't do that the print dialog does. |
| 04:05.13 | Kiirani | Hm |
| 04:05.17 | Kiirani | And I can't find it. |
| 04:05.36 | wolsni | properties button in the print dialog |
| 04:06.01 | Kiirani | Oh dear. I hate my printer. |
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| 04:15.44 | poopybutt | what is the name of that new icon set coming out? |
| 04:16.24 | Sho_ | For KDE4? Oxygen |
| 04:17.29 | Jucato | what a coincidence... I'm banging my head on the keyboad about oxygen... |
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| 04:17.37 | poopybutt | yeah, thats what its called |
| 04:17.45 | poopybutt | are there previews of whats to come with the icon set? |
| 04:18.06 | Jucato | Sho_: you use Krita? |
| 04:18.10 | wolsni | http://oxygen-icons.org/ |
| 04:18.57 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well, I have it installed and I've played around with it on occassion, but I wouldn't call that "use" |
| 04:18.58 | poopybutt | aqua looks pretty cool |
| 04:19.20 | Jucato | ah ok... coz I'm a bit stumped with the oxygen color palette and krita.. |
| 04:19.35 | Jucato | it's got me quite... annoyed and baffled... :( |
| 04:19.44 | Sho_ | Jucato: How so? |
| 04:19.52 | poopybutt | i dont know if this is possible but its worth a shot... is there a way to reset things to a native kde state for example... |
| 04:20.05 | poopybutt | i have a distro that changes the side bar to their own artwork among other things |
| 04:20.22 | poopybutt | i have since stopped using this distro as a base but the artwork remains |
| 04:20.35 | Jucato | well, maybe I presume too much, but since Oxygen is a KDE project, I'd assume that the color palette that they have available for download would work properly in Krita |
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| 04:21.17 | Sho_ | Jucato: It's a Gimp palette |
| 04:21.18 | illogic-al | thou doth presume much indeed |
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| 04:21.42 | Jucato | the palette is available as a .gpl, but "importing" it (actually, putting it in $KDEHOME/share/apps/krita/palette) only shows the vibrant set |
| 04:22.15 | Jucato | yeah, I know it's a .gpl file... I just presumed they sort of tested that it would work on Krita... :( |
| 04:22.21 | wolsni | poopybutt: there should be a KDE default theme in the theme manager |
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| 04:22.50 | poopybutt | wolsni: i dont think that worked but ill try again |
| 04:23.02 | Jucato | it's like the logo for Kubuntu that kwwii made... it's in .svg, but neither karbon nor ksvg can display it, because it's an Illustrator svg. only inkscape can display it.. |
| 04:23.54 | Jucato | [/rant] |
| 04:24.29 | Jucato | poopybutt: I think the name of the default KDE theme in the KDE Theme Manager is "Plastik" |
| 04:24.43 | Dr_willis | I like the plastik theme |
| 04:25.02 | poopybutt | yeah sidebar is still the same |
| 04:25.03 | Dr_willis | theres way too many UGLY themes out. |
| 04:25.04 | TheDrizzle | plastik is pretty good for a default. |
| 04:25.10 | TheDrizzle | I really am into the new Vista GUI. |
| 04:25.17 | poopybutt | its that little strip of art to the left of the menu |
| 04:25.29 | wolsni | poopybutt: ... oh, that's all you need to change? |
| 04:25.53 | TheDrizzle | Dr_willis I agree, lots of ugly stuff out there, or dupes. |
| 04:26.09 | TheDrizzle | I've seen a lot of vista clones that are cheap knock offs or just plain lame. |
| 04:26.13 | Jucato | poopybutt: that isn't handled by the KDE theme |
| 04:26.24 | poopybutt | well thats what im getting at, what handes it |
| 04:26.31 | Sho_ | Jucato: Hm, yeah ... the palette contains ~130 colors and Krita parses only 80 |
| 04:27.07 | Jucato | Sho_: sorry for the rant, I just find it crazy that KDE/Kubuntu materials/products don't work on KDE/Kubuntu apps... |
| 04:27.31 | Renze | that's kubuntu for you ;) |
| 04:27.46 | Jucato | Renze: fyi, kwwii was the one who made that logo |
| 04:27.58 | Renze | who? |
| 04:28.00 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well it would probably make more sense to write to the kde-artists ML than to rant here |
| 04:28.17 | Jucato | Renze: kwwii, Kenneth Wimer, KDE Artist, Oxygen |
| 04:28.31 | Renze | ah, I know the name Ken Wimer... not kwwii however |
| 04:28.47 | Jucato | Sho_: yeah, sorry. but I was wondering first if I'm the only one having behavior in Krita... |
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| 04:29.57 | Jucato | wolsni, poopybutt: $KDEDIR/share/apps/kicker/pics/ or $KDEHOME/share/apps/kicker/pics/ , the kside.png picture is the main sidebar image, while kside_tile.png is the image that displays when the K Menu exceeds the length of kside.png |
| 04:31.11 | Sho_ | Jucato: Hmhm, Gimp 2.3.13 imports 126 colors |
| 04:31.56 | Jucato | same here (2.2.x |
| 04:32.19 | hydrogen | 126 is a really weird number. |
| 04:32.27 | Jucato | hm... actually it's 128 for me |
| 04:32.37 | Jucato | 16 columns x 8 rows |
| 04:32.39 | hydrogen | that makes more sense |
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| 04:32.42 | Entrophy | this is amazing! --> http://knightsdivine.net/weapon.php?uid=y20w75 |
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| 04:32.48 | hydrogen | not that amazing. |
| 04:32.50 | poopybutt | Jucato: see, the kde artwork has been removed |
| 04:32.54 | Sho_ | The open bug list for Krita doesn't have any about color palettes |
| 04:32.54 | Jucato | sheesh |
| 04:33.05 | hydrogen | considdering outwar was big 5 years ago and people are still playing derivitaves |
| 04:33.08 | Jucato | no way to import palettes either |
| 04:33.14 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well, it displays a "(126)" next to the palette in the list |
| 04:33.17 | poopybutt | its replaced by the distro artwork. thats why i was originally asking if there is a place to get and update to all native kde stuff |
| 04:33.28 | Jucato | poopybutt: what distro? |
| 04:33.43 | hydrogen | white and black arn't colors, got it! :) |
| 04:33.50 | Jucato | heh |
| 04:33.50 | poopybutt | kanotix... but they have went through some changes and the good version has evolved into sidux |
| 04:33.52 | Sho_ | Jucato: Time to debug Krita's palette parser, I guess |
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| 04:34.48 | Jucato | Sho_: I thought at first the fact that there are spaces in the names of the Normal color palette set affects the parsing. |
| 04:35.30 | Sho_ | Jucato: It might, depending on how the parser works |
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| 04:37.07 | Jucato | let me try renaming them... |
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| 04:37.44 | Jucato | poopybutt: http://jucato.org/stuff/kside.png http://jucato.org/stuff/kside_tile.png |
| 04:38.19 | poopybutt | cool thanks. is there a way to make a transparent setting |
| 04:38.36 | poopybutt | or a place to download other ones... i didnt see any at kde-look |
| 04:38.43 | Sho_ | Jucato: KisPalette::init in krita/core/kis_palette.cc fwiw |
| 04:39.08 | Sho_ | Jucato: The parser for GIMP palettes starts out with a charming "// XXX: No checks for wrong input yet!" |
| 04:39.22 | Jucato | heh |
| 04:39.41 | Jucato | how nice :) |
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| 04:40.47 | Sho_ | Jucato: It seems that the parser generally tries to split by tab |
| 04:41.42 | Jucato | hm...I tried removing the spaces in the palette names... didn't work... |
| 04:43.01 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well, try replacing all of the space seperations in the file with tabs |
| 04:43.12 | Jucato | ok, will do |
| 04:44.00 | Sho_ | time to find breakfast |
| 04:44.15 | Jucato | hehe it's soo early for breakfast :) |
| 04:47.58 | poopybutt | well going back to my original question. is there a way to download the original kde work and settings and stuff |
| 04:48.53 | Jucato | afaik, no.but most (if not all) should come with your distro, like the wallpapers,konqueror background, colors, etc |
| 04:51.10 | Dr_willis | Ive noticed in Kubuntu theres some extra packages that have the 'official' artwork and other extras |
| 04:51.14 | wolsni | poopybutt: you could create a new user and login once, then copy whatever default settings show up in the .kde directory over your own |
| 04:51.21 | wolsni | or what Dr_willis said |
| 04:51.44 | poopybutt | the only problem is the files and such have been replaced |
| 04:51.57 | poopybutt | such as kside.png, it is the kanotix version |
| 04:52.00 | Jucato | lol Sho_ I think I got it! :) |
| 04:52.19 | Jucato | poopybutt: you checked in /usr/share/apps/kicker/pics/kside.png ? |
| 04:52.28 | poopybutt | Jucato: yep |
| 04:52.30 | Jucato | ah |
| 04:52.36 | Jucato | bad kanotix |
| 04:52.41 | Sho_ | Jucato: Working now? |
| 04:52.44 | Jucato | kubuntu doesn't replace them |
| 04:53.01 | Jucato | Sho_: yes. the problem was on the .gpl file |
| 04:54.04 | Jucato | in the original palette file, some the entries were "56 37 9 woodbrown6", without a [Tab] between the color values and the color name |
| 04:54.25 | Sho_ | yup |
| 04:54.36 | poopybutt | yeah kanotix is annoying for that |
| 04:54.41 | poopybutt | and annoying in general now |
| 04:54.58 | Sho_ | Jucato: Be sure to send them the Krita-parser-friendly version |
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| 04:55.07 | Jucato | in the ML? |
| 04:55.11 | Sho_ | yup |
| 04:55.24 | Jucato | ok I'll do that after lunch |
| 04:56.42 | Renze | too late for lunch |
| 04:56.47 | Jucato | heh almost |
| 04:57.25 | Sho_ | Jucato: And once you did that, open a bug against Krita 1.6.1 in BKO, attaching both the old and the new version to illustrate their parser's weakness |
| 04:57.37 | Jucato | hehehe |
| 04:57.42 | Sho_ | so both get fixed |
| 04:58.59 | Jucato | thanks for pointing out that tab thing. I wouldn't have noticed that some the lines had about 10 spaces instead of 1 tab :) |
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| 05:01.14 | wireddd | is there some sort of server that I can sync all of my contacts and todo lists and everything from kontact with? |
| 05:03.01 | ironfroggy | can i get the amorak shortcuts on one box to control amarok on another box? |
| 05:03.16 | Dr_willis | Hmm.. |
| 05:03.47 | Dr_willis | why not ssh to the otehr box.. run amarok, so it shows up on the local box. but plays on the remote. :) |
| 05:04.09 | ironfroggy | i use synergy to control all my boxes from one keyboard/mouse pair and when i want to change a song or pause or something, i have to find which one im running it on first and make sure my mouse is on the right monitor for my keyboard shortcut to work, which is frustrating. |
| 05:04.25 | ironfroggy | i need to be able to control with shortcuts from any box |
| 05:04.44 | Dr_willis | ive seen some media players that have 'web interfaces' |
| 05:05.03 | Dr_willis | not sure if amarok does that or not. :) i just set my players playing.. and let them play.... |
| 05:05.22 | wolsni | i believe a web interface plugin is included with Amarok |
| 05:05.31 | Dr_willis | Plugins are soooooo handy. :) |
| 05:05.46 | hydrogen | there is a webarok script |
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| 05:06.43 | wolsni | i suppose with the appropriate combination of ssh, input actions, and the amarok --play, --pause, etc commands you could do it |
| 05:07.42 | poopybutt | i know this is getting annoying, is there a way to change single icons in an icon theme... such as keeping everything the same and change only the icons for all file folders? |
| 05:08.46 | hydrogen | you could run dcop commands over ssh |
| 05:09.00 | hydrogen | and then with a crazy combination of keychain and ssh and dcop |
| 05:09.12 | hydrogen | you wouldn't even need to provide apass each time |
| 05:09.24 | hydrogen | just bind khotkeys to ssh user@host dcop amarok player blah |
| 05:09.26 | hydrogen | maybe? |
| 05:09.44 | Sho_ | poopybutt: Just replace the respective .png |
| 05:09.56 | wolsni | hydrogen: that's what i'd been thinking; i've never messed around with setting up passwordless ssh though |
| 05:10.05 | hydrogen | its fairly simple |
| 05:10.16 | poopybutt | Sho_: where are these png's saved? |
| 05:11.47 | hydrogen | wolsni: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/openssh-key-management-p1.xml is a fairly indepth (but easy to read) guide on openssh key management |
| 05:12.15 | wolsni | hydrogen: thanks, i'm not especially interested in doing it myself |
| 05:12.30 | hydrogen | oh |
| 05:12.34 | wolsni | i was just pointing out that i was not the person to ask about it :D |
| 05:12.36 | hydrogen | thats what it looks like |
| 05:12.37 | hydrogen | yea |
| 05:12.38 | hydrogen | I saw |
| 05:12.44 | hydrogen | I jumped in late |
| 05:12.44 | hydrogen | :) |
| 05:12.47 | hydrogen | wireddd: ^ |
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| 05:16.25 | Draco-LVNH | hello there, have anyone of thee gotten the error "CMakeFiles/khtml.dir/imload/decoders/jpegloader.o: In function `khtml_jpeg_source_mgr':" |
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| 05:26.40 | joss | does someone know, what reads the kde services protocols over again, without logout? |
| 05:26.47 | joss | i mean those files lala.protocol |
| 05:26.51 | joss | reparse those |
| 05:27.04 | Renze | kbuildsycoca |
| 05:27.28 | joss | so i would have to remoce kbuildsyscoca tmp file correct? |
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| 05:27.38 | Renze | no, just run kbuildsycoca as user |
| 05:28.01 | Sho_ | joss: kbuildsycoca --noincremental would create the system configuration cache fully from scratch |
| 05:28.42 | poopybutt | i have a dual monitor setup, when i go to display settings then the multiple monitors tab i want to change the coordinates of the monitors. how do i do that |
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| 05:29.57 | troxor | how does one save the toolbar layout in jopete? |
| 05:30.00 | troxor | kopete* |
| 05:30.32 | Renze | quit out of kopete |
| 05:30.48 | troxor | toolbars->deselecting "format toolbar" is only effective until the window is closed |
| 05:31.19 | Renze | ah, that one you can't save yet |
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| 05:31.31 | Sho_ | troxor: You actually need to enable the main toolbar and click the "Rich Text" icon on it. Disabling rich text for a contact will automatically hide the format toolbar, and then it will stick. It's per-contact and not global, though. |
| 05:31.36 | Sho_ | troxor: And yes, that UI is a bad joke |
| 05:32.50 | troxor | ah ha, I see... thanks for the reassurance that I'm not going crazy yet :) |
| 05:33.18 | Jucato | and use it with Konvi, huh? :P |
| 05:33.24 | Sho_ | :} |
| 05:33.42 | day | hello |
| 05:33.57 | day | alguem q tc |
| 05:34.04 | Renze | english only, please |
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| 05:34.41 | Jucato | Sho_: the krita in trunk is for KDE 4? |
| 05:34.46 | Sho_ | Jucato: yes |
| 05:34.57 | Sho_ | Jucato: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/koffice/1.6.1/koffice/krita/core/kis_palette.cc?rev=602819&view=auto |
| 05:34.58 | Jucato | :P |
| 05:35.06 | Jucato | oh thanks heheh |
| 05:35.29 | day | plis |
| 05:35.41 | day | hello |
| 05:35.55 | day | is you |
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| 06:13.24 | poopybutt | so i have dual monitor setup, settings have been worked out but i get a problem that is hard to explain. here is a picture that should help http://matthewvl.googlepages.com/snapshot2.jpg |
| 06:13.47 | poopybutt | when i move something all the way to the right of my monitor on the right, as you can see its now fully on the right |
| 06:14.01 | poopybutt | there is still a decent amount of space as you can tell from the desktop chooser |
| 06:14.08 | poopybutt | that black portion of the scren is not visible |
| 06:15.48 | poopybutt | my screens are of different resolutions but i would think there would be a setting to just eliminate the uneven resolutions |
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| 07:03.37 | peppelorum | Is it possible to have multiple search folders in Kmail? It appears it can only hvae one at the time, or am I missing something? |
| 07:06.37 | peppelorum | Oh, I made another folder appear but then kontact/kmail crashed hard |
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| 07:22.01 | SAS_Spidey01 | morgan |
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| 07:42.31 | waiting | :OP |
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| 07:47.06 | ]SintaX[ | hi |
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| 07:47.23 | edge | where can i enable remote desktop in kde? |
| 07:48.23 | Renze | kcontrol -> internet & network -> desktop sharing |
| 07:48.59 | ]SintaX[ | i just installed KDE via ports on FreeBSD.. are there any initialization progs to run or anything before i start it up, and what do i do to start it up etc |
| 07:49.28 | waiting | is there a possibility to tell kdesktop that I want icons on all heads? |
| 07:49.37 | Renze | ]SintaX[: the startup script is called startkde |
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| 07:49.46 | ]SintaX[ | just put that in xinitrc? |
| 07:49.55 | Renze | ]SintaX[: yes |
| 07:50.01 | ]SintaX[ | alright thanks |
| 07:50.02 | Renze | if you use startx |
| 07:50.04 | edge | Renze, if its not in there, does that mean its not part of kde-base ? |
| 07:50.25 | Renze | edge: it is in kdenetwork |
| 07:50.50 | Renze | edge: but the package name depends on what your distro decides to call it |
| 07:51.10 | edge | thanks Renze |
| 07:51.13 | Renze | no problem |
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| 07:54.57 | ]SintaX[ | anyone using FreeBSD 6.1 |
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| 07:55.28 | ]SintaX[ | KDE 3.5.1 i just installed on it from ports, i was curious how to upgrade it to 3.5.5 |
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| 07:55.35 | Renze | most people here use linux, but there are a small handful of *bsders |
| 07:55.52 | Renze | I guess none of them are awake currently |
| 07:56.32 | ]SintaX[ | :-P |
| 07:56.38 | ]SintaX[ | does KDE have a built in update function |
| 07:56.47 | Jucato | I think PhilRod uses *BSD? |
| 07:57.01 | Renze | no... it would be impossible to implement one that would work across distros |
| 07:57.09 | ]SintaX[ | true |
| 07:57.11 | ]SintaX[ | and OSs |
| 07:57.15 | Renze | that too |
| 07:57.26 | ]SintaX[ | unless it was maintained by each specific OS team that ports apps |
| 07:57.29 | ]SintaX[ | :-P |
| 07:57.45 | Renze | it would be a nightmare |
| 07:57.50 | ]SintaX[ | probably lol |
| 07:58.21 | Renze | kubuntu users would spit the dummy if they weren't all .deb packages, for example ;) |
| 07:58.45 | ]SintaX[ | haha |
| 07:58.49 | Jucato | don't worry. I've grown immune |
| 07:59.03 | ]SintaX[ | KDE isnt too bad, im putting it on my sisters computer, i personally havent used it in years, sure has changed a lot |
| 07:59.39 | Renze | KDE4 will have some major changes too |
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| 08:01.10 | waiting | so mh |
| 08:01.24 | waiting | the background is drawn correctly |
| 08:01.34 | waiting | but the icons only appear on the left screen ^^ |
| 08:01.37 | bline | Renze: You said you were volunteering to write a kde updater program? |
| 08:01.46 | Renze | bline: hell no! |
| 08:02.12 | Renze | bline: only if it builds from source, and uses portage :D |
| 08:02.21 | Renze | oh, it already exists :D |
| 08:02.30 | bline | Doesn't gnome have one? |
| 08:02.42 | Renze | no idea |
| 08:02.49 | bline | red carpet or something |
| 08:02.56 | Renze | that's an RPM front-end |
| 08:03.03 | Renze | doesn't work on non-RPM distros |
| 08:03.29 | Sho_ | Plus Red Carpet isn't a Gnome project |
| 08:03.45 | Renze | it's a Ximian project, isn't it? |
| 08:03.51 | bline | Ximian isn't gnome? |
| 08:03.54 | Renze | nope |
| 08:04.00 | Sho_ | Ximian doesn't exist anymore |
| 08:04.08 | bline | I thought they did evolution, the gnome mail client |
| 08:04.26 | bline | gnome groupware I should say |
| 08:04.29 | Renze | no, they didn't do evolution... they did nautilis, though |
| 08:04.30 | Sho_ | They did, but that doesn't make Red Carpet any more Gnome-specific or a Gnome updater |
| 08:04.33 | Sho_ | It's neither |
| 08:04.35 | Renze | nautilus* |
| 08:04.40 | waiting | now, if I look at ~/.kde/share/apps/kdesktop/IconPositions, I see values like this: Xabs=18, then Xabs_1280x1024=10, then Xabs_2560x1024=18 |
| 08:04.57 | waiting | that's weird :) |
| 08:04.58 | bline | I did say or something, I thought they did have some updater thingy |
| 08:05.06 | Renze | waiting: X positions based on current screen resolution |
| 08:05.16 | waiting | Renze: I have two screens |
| 08:05.29 | Renze | waiting: but does Xinerama make them one screen? |
| 08:05.41 | waiting | I have mergedfb with pseudoxinerama |
| 08:05.56 | Renze | waiting: then as far as your computer is concerned, you have one screen |
| 08:06.00 | waiting | ok |
| 08:06.08 | waiting | and kicker spans both heads |
| 08:06.12 | waiting | so that is correct! |
| 08:06.25 | waiting | and kdesktop is already half-correct |
| 08:06.32 | waiting | the background is drawn properly |
| 08:06.49 | waiting | but when I try to drag an icon to the right head, it goes to the rightmost x-position of the left head |
| 08:07.00 | Renze | waiting: I assume kdesktop was built with xinerama support? |
| 08:07.13 | waiting | I can not state if that is the case |
| 08:07.29 | Renze | then you really should find out |
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| 08:07.55 | waiting | yeah |
| 08:08.03 | waiting | how? |
| 08:08.05 | joss | missing icons in menus is caused of what? |
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| 08:08.17 | Renze | waiting: ask your distro's KDE packager? |
| 08:08.35 | waiting | is there not something in KDE I can query? |
| 08:08.45 | Renze | waiting: not that I know of |
| 08:08.53 | joss | i have mozilla icon actual at 3.4 installation but missing in devel version, shouln't it be marked in home dir? |
| 08:09.09 | ]SintaX[ | damn i dont see KDE 3.5.5 on ports, only 3.5.4 ;-\ |
| 08:09.18 | waiting | well, ldd `which kdesktop` | grep Xinerama tells me it is linked against libXinerama |
| 08:09.30 | Renze | waiting: then I guess it is |
| 08:09.45 | waiting | yeah, I mean I have all the desktop setup options as well |
| 08:09.57 | Renze | waiting: but unless you want to buy me another monitor, I can't test it :) |
| 08:09.59 | waiting | I can identify heads and the like, let a wallpaper span both or each individually |
| 08:10.18 | waiting | it's really only the icons that behave incorrectly |
| 08:10.36 | Renze | waiting: check bugs.kde.org to see if it is a known problem |
| 08:10.36 | waiting | well ok, and the spalsh screen |
| 08:14.04 | waiting | I follow your orders, sir |
| 08:14.07 | waiting | ^^ |
| 08:14.08 | waiting | no |
| 08:14.10 | waiting | it's not |
| 08:14.15 | waiting | now? :D |
| 08:14.29 | waiting | if I repot it they'll blame my distribution because they all work for the other one |
| 08:14.37 | waiting | and the terrible thing is, maybe they are right |
| 08:14.38 | Renze | sacrifice a calf at the next full moon ;) |
| 08:14.53 | waiting | but the distribution will blame the Xorg project which I use a very recent version of |
| 08:15.03 | waiting | what to do ^^ |
| 08:15.09 | waiting | hälp ^^^ |
| 08:15.14 | Renze | track down the problem yourself? |
| 08:15.18 | waiting | :OOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 08:16.06 | waiting | Need to get 29,4MB of source archives. |
| 08:16.08 | waiting | :) |
| 08:16.24 | Renze | think of it as a treasure hunt ;) |
| 08:17.31 | waiting | oh, another question |
| 08:17.48 | waiting | can I somehow redefine what operating the mousewheel on the background does? |
| 08:18.07 | waiting | I like switching desktops like that, but I would prefer to do it by means of 3ddesk |
| 08:18.54 | waiting | I already tried xbindkeys, but I completely do not get its config syntax |
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| 08:20.38 | mistermocha | hi all... what's a good tool for converting audio types? |
| 08:20.46 | mistermocha | in particular ... FLAC to MP3? |
| 08:20.56 | joss | anyone have a suggestions of that icon problem? |
| 08:21.13 | mistermocha | joss: what's your icon problem... I just walked in |
| 08:21.49 | joss | mistermocha: hi |
| 08:21.55 | joss | mistermocha: just menus are missing them |
| 08:21.56 | Ardonik | mistermocha: lame |
| 08:22.04 | joss | allthough menuedit nicely finds those |
| 08:22.28 | joss | quicklaunch shows those usual not found icons, program works |
| 08:23.27 | Ardonik | mistermocha: you might need ogg123 to "play" the flac, converting it to a WAV file as it does. |
| 08:23.42 | Ardonik | See man ogg123, the Devices section. |
| 08:24.07 | waiting | Ardonik: my "lame" can encode directly |
| 08:24.19 | Ardonik | Mine cannot. |
| 08:24.53 | waiting | hm |
| 08:25.09 | waiting | I was wrong. I claimed the operation succeeded but the output is ... mute |
| 08:25.24 | Ardonik | Yup, try ogg123. |
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| 08:25.47 | waiting | ogg is better anyways :)) |
| 08:25.59 | Ardonik | Yes |
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| 08:26.34 | bline | waiting: there is always imwheel to redefine mouse wheel events |
| 08:26.35 | shinux__ | hello guys.. i upgraded my OS from mandriva 2006 to 2007.. and amarok isnt able to play my m4a files anymore... |
| 08:26.48 | shinux__ | is there something else i need to install? |
| 08:27.00 | bline | not that the conf syntax for that is very great either. |
| 08:27.12 | annma | shinux__: ask in #mandriva |
| 08:27.16 | Ardonik | Oy. |
| 08:27.18 | shinux__ | oh hello Ardonik |
| 08:27.22 | Ardonik | We just directed him here. |
| 08:27.27 | shinux__ | fancy meeting you here, too |
| 08:27.31 | shinux__ | :) |
| 08:27.36 | Ardonik | Yes--I use KDE, but not well. |
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| 08:27.50 | shinux__ | well i just got directed here... |
| 08:27.56 | Renze | shinux__: which output engine are you using? |
| 08:27.56 | annma | Ardonik: well it's a distro issue |
| 08:29.01 | shinux__ | output engine? |
| 08:29.13 | Renze | shinux__: arts? xine? helix? |
| 08:29.40 | Renze | settings -> configure amarok, engine page |
| 08:29.45 | waiting | ok, maybe I found the problem. |
| 08:29.49 | shinux__ | oh , one sec |
| 08:29.55 | waiting | how can I make KDE source write something to stderr? |
| 08:30.00 | joss | mistermocha: suggestions, i just emerged devel version in gentoo? |
| 08:30.08 | shinux__ | Renze: xine |
| 08:30.12 | joss | mistermocha: why would those icons be missing on panel? |
| 08:30.33 | Renze | shinux__: then it is libxine that needs to support m4a... find out if yours does |
| 08:31.24 | shinux__ | how do i check for that Renze ? |
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| 08:31.34 | Renze | shinux__: ask in your distro channel? |
| 08:31.41 | annma | shinux__: urpmi xine |
| 08:31.45 | Renze | shinux__: I know next to nothing about Mandriva |
| 08:31.58 | shinux__ | ok |
| 08:32.00 | shinux__ | thanks |
| 08:32.01 | annma | mqybe there's a special xine rpm that you miss |
| 08:32.07 | shinux__ | i see |
| 08:32.15 | Jucato | annma!!!!!! |
| 08:32.15 | shinux__ | ill get right on it |
| 08:32.19 | Jucato | you're in early? |
| 08:32.20 | annma | as i said, it is a distro issue |
| 08:32.20 | joss | and what part should organize this protocol verification in konqueror, if i type www.address.com i get unsupported |
| 08:32.35 | joss | it will not add http in front of it |
| 08:32.56 | joss | thought it should be kdenetwork-kfile-plugins |
| 08:32.59 | joss | but it is not |
| 08:33.02 | shinux__ | libxine wasnt even installed |
| 08:33.11 | shinux__ | shoot |
| 08:33.22 | annma | xine-plugins maybe |
| 08:33.33 | annma | ask in #mandriva!!! |
| 08:33.41 | annma | hi Jucato :)) |
| 08:33.51 | shinux__ | im already installing stuff bro |
| 08:33.55 | shinux__ | chill |
| 08:34.00 | Jucato | ooh you got annma mad... baaad :P |
| 08:34.01 | shinux__ | thanks anyway |
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| 08:34.20 | Ardonik | shinux__: uh, annma is a She. |
| 08:34.29 | Jucato | s/bro/sis/ |
| 08:34.31 | shinux__ | oops |
| 08:34.34 | annma | bro!!! |
| 08:34.40 | shinux__ | by sincerest apologies |
| 08:34.54 | shinux__ | i DO believe in gender respect! |
| 08:35.07 | annma | lol |
| 08:35.12 | shinux__ | only ids here are so... uninformative :) |
| 08:35.15 | waiting | this is so wrong |
| 08:35.22 | waiting | a gerl on the internet |
| 08:35.28 | annma | shinux__: yes, it does not matter anyway |
| 08:35.58 | Jucato | waiting: not only a gerl... she's a kde dev too |
| 08:36.04 | annma | waiting: not even a girl, think of me as your mum |
| 08:36.14 | waiting | next you tell me she reads manpages and writes c++ :D |
| 08:36.15 | shinux__ | shoot |
| 08:36.19 | Jucato | she's got to be the coolest mom in the world! :) |
| 08:36.25 | annma | lol |
| 08:36.26 | Jucato | waiting: no. she does Qt :P |
| 08:36.26 | shinux__ | shes female AND shes taking charge |
| 08:36.37 | Jucato | of course, next to my mom, annma. sorry :) |
| 08:36.47 | annma | lol Jucato |
| 08:37.10 | annma | in fact there are many female developers in KDE |
| 08:37.47 | Jucato | seele! elllll (doesn't want to disturb her)!! |
| 08:38.01 | PopaBear | is that why most of it JUST WORKS |
| 08:38.14 | annma | Jucato: Eva for Decibel |
| 08:38.54 | Jucato | ooh never met her yet (IRC or web) |
| 08:39.05 | Jucato | it's usually just the three of you :) |
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| 08:40.04 | PopaBear | annma since you are a developer maybe you can help me with a problem i have with the screen savers...... |
| 08:41.00 | PopaBear | i am trying to use the random saver..... if i manually lock the session it works .... if i use the test button it works ...... if i use the timer it doesnt work .... all i get is a blank screen or the X logo |
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| 08:42.22 | waiting | Jucato: go and breathe fresh air :P |
| 08:42.38 | Jucato | more of a stabbing pain... |
| 08:42.40 | annma | PopaBear: hmm, no idea |
| 08:43.26 | PopaBear | bummer ..... it worked on the last install about a week ago ..... but this time after a fresh install it doesnt work |
| 08:43.27 | waiting | Jucato: :S I have that, too |
| 08:44.33 | annma | PopaBear: fresh install? same than last install? |
| 08:44.37 | waiting | buildedibuild |
| 08:44.47 | PopaBear | yeah ... far as i know |
| 08:44.52 | Jucato | ouch... |
| 08:45.08 | annma | PopaBear: did you ask in your distro channel? |
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| 08:45.46 | PopaBear | well there was one difference ...in the first install i didnt install all the dev and server stuff .... initially on this one i did then i removed them with yum .... |
| 08:46.00 | PopaBear | yes i did ask in the Fedora channel |
| 08:46.48 | PopaBear | which is why i ended up here .... thought maybe since this was KDE specific someone here might have a clue |
| 08:47.42 | logixoul | PopaBear: last resort: create a new user account |
| 08:47.54 | annma | it's weird that test works |
| 08:48.34 | PopaBear | would logging into root be the same thing ... rather than making a new user ??? |
| 08:49.28 | PopaBear | annma.... it seems that everything works except when i use the timer |
| 08:49.42 | PopaBear | if i let the timer put the screen saver on i get nothing |
| 08:50.47 | PopaBear | if i lock manually it does what its supoosed to .... and test works ..... even when i change to term or session i guess with CNTRL-ALT-F1 |
| 08:51.05 | logixoul | PopaBear: yep, you can try |
| 08:51.20 | PopaBear | we did a ps -ef and it showed different saver each time |
| 08:52.06 | logixoul | PopaBear: another suboptimal solution would be to use xscreensaver instead of KDE's thing |
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| 08:55.08 | PopaBear | thats a possibility ..... there is another anomoly that happened last night .... i turned on COMPIZ to make sure it worked ..... it messed up the default theme ... when i tried to reset it to the default everythign with to some kind of black and white scheme .... and it wouldnt let me change anything back to normal |
| 08:55.54 | PopaBear | i finally had to log into root and create a theme there using the defaults ..... and log back in as user and install the new theme for the defaults |
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| 09:00.08 | waiting | I waitediwait |
| 09:00.22 | fibonacci | Good on ya! |
| 09:00.34 | waiting | the good thing about open source is that one can fix small problems oneself in the source |
| 09:00.56 | fibonacci | The other good thing is that it's free (like beer!)) |
| 09:00.56 | waiting | unless the source comes in 1 million line chunks that take hours to build :> |
| 09:01.26 | PopaBear | or you havet seen any code for about 20 years |
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| 09:01.46 | waiting | you? |
| 09:01.59 | fibonacci | me? |
| 09:02.03 | waiting | who? |
| 09:02.16 | PopaBear | yeah .... last time i did any coding or even read code was about 15 years ago |
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| 09:02.27 | waiting | I code daily |
| 09:02.29 | waiting | well ok |
| 09:02.35 | waiting | I _would_ code daily |
| 09:02.44 | waiting | if it wasn't such a PITA ;) |
| 09:02.50 | fibonacci | PopaBear: Are you a IT manager ? :) |
| 09:02.55 | fibonacci | "an" |
| 09:02.59 | PopaBear | no im a PCB designer |
| 09:03.09 | fibonacci | Well there you go ... |
| 09:03.18 | PopaBear | i make those little green lines between the little things in your mother board |
| 09:03.27 | fibonacci | :) |
| 09:03.41 | fibonacci | Always wondered what sorry ass had to draw them... :) |
| 09:03.43 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | how do i make my kde kicker show time in 12 hour format ?? |
| 09:03.48 | PopaBear | heheheheheehe |
| 09:04.06 | annma | FaeLLe[gentoo]: you mean the clock |
| 09:04.32 | annma | i think the setting is in KControl |
| 09:04.50 | waiting | oh boy let's just forget about this, I'll explain the problem to the debian maintainer |
| 09:04.53 | Shirakawasuna | FaeLLe[gentoo]: right click + date & time format |
| 09:05.07 | Jucato | bah Shirakawasuna beat me to it... |
| 09:05.11 | fibonacci | waiting: ? huh ? |
| 09:05.15 | waiting | it's faster to write a tech report about this than to actually rebuild the stuff |
| 09:05.23 | Shirakawasuna | the amazing right click! |
| 09:05.44 | fibonacci | Yes, sometimes I wonder if my job could be replaced by a right clicking robot. |
| 09:05.55 | PopaBear | here is one you all might be able to answer.... compiz and beryl are basically the same thing .... forks of the same tool.... i understand that part .... what i dont understand is why ..... was beryl started to work with KDE better or something????? it seems that compiz is used primarilly in Gnome |
| 09:06.02 | waiting | yeah I mean f' that, I just add a friggin include, and debuild decides to build all the 90% of the kdebase tree _again_ |
| 09:06.32 | waiting | I mean why use make after all, if it is made distclean before every rebuild |
| 09:06.45 | Jucato | annma: that thing that boud was talking about (a patch to a krita bug actually) was my first attempt into reading code :) |
| 09:06.58 | annma | cool! |
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| 09:07.14 | annma | KOffice is not the easiest code to get into though |
| 09:07.29 | waiting | so the maintainer will take all the credit :D all hail to the "social contract" ;) |
| 09:07.53 | waiting | did I say PITA already? |
| 09:08.22 | fibonacci | What's up with KDE not having a decent FTP application ? Huh? |
| 09:08.45 | waiting | fibonacci: it has a n mldonkey GUI ;) |
| 09:08.55 | Jucato | annma: yeah, but the kispalette.cc part that I looked into wasn't that hard to "interpret" after all. |
| 09:08.57 | fibonacci | waiting: Doesn't count.. |
| 09:09.13 | Jucato | annma: plus I also got to take a peek into the GIMP's equivalent code :O |
| 09:09.13 | annma | Jucato: :) |
| 09:09.20 | annma | woow |
| 09:09.34 | Jucato | yeah, but I still have a loooooong way to go |
| 09:09.54 | Jucato | thank goodness Qt has more human-understandable commands |
| 09:10.12 | fibonacci | So when will Java become defacto ? |
| 09:10.23 | waiting | gawsh |
| 09:10.26 | fibonacci | :)(: |
| 09:10.30 | waiting | it really rebuilds it all |
| 09:10.42 | Jucato | fibonacci: Konquero not decent enough for you for FTP? |
| 09:10.50 | annma | fibonacci: Ja-what? |
| 09:11.07 | Jucato | annma: I think he's referring to the coffee.. hehe :) |
| 09:11.20 | annma | what is not good in konq's ftp? |
| 09:11.24 | annma | Jucato: lol |
| 09:11.54 | fibonacci | Jucato: Well I might be missing some packages, but where is the "cool" interface with resume capabilities, so on, so forth ... ? |
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| 09:12.29 | waiting | fibonacci: for anonymous pulls I use kget |
| 09:12.33 | fibonacci | Anything that remotly refers to caffein, must be good. |
| 09:12.35 | Jucato | hm.. resume... I didn't know ftp apps provided a resume upload? |
| 09:12.48 | fibonacci | Yeah, but I'm maintaining my own ftp. |
| 09:13.12 | annma | fibonacci: do others ftp offer resume? |
| 09:13.20 | waiting | fibonacci: well maybe in the future ^^ |
| 09:13.28 | Jucato | hm. brb... (chest still hurts..) |
| 09:13.36 | fibonacci | Well as far as I'm concerned they do. |
| 09:13.47 | Jucato | kftpgrabber? |
| 09:13.55 | fibonacci | I might be living in a dream world, with illusions, but my ftp application offers a resume. |
| 09:13.56 | Jucato | dunno if that works.. |
| 09:13.56 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | right now my kde has only US English as an option.... i want to remove this and make UK English |
| 09:13.57 | annma | fibonacci: names?| |
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| 09:14.26 | annma | what would a decent kde ftp app look like? |
| 09:14.31 | fibonacci | FaeLLe[gentoo]: There isn't any other english as far as I'm concerned. US English == AMERICAN, |
| 09:14.39 | bluekb | When I try to bring up the window menu on a shaded menu, the window loses focus and the menu also disappears. |
| 09:14.48 | fibonacci | annma: It would be really cool, with dragons and penguins everywhere. |
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| 09:14.53 | bluekb | Also, I was wondering if there is a way to set a delay before a window shades. |
| 09:14.55 | annma | FaeLLe[gentoo]: install i18n/en_GB |
| 09:15.01 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | fibonacci, yea american english is wrong english :D |
| 09:15.08 | annma | fibonacci: do a mockup please |
| 09:15.08 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | annma, how ? |
| 09:15.12 | fibonacci | FaeLLe[gentoo]: To the most certain degree. |
| 09:15.22 | fibonacci | annma: You take the prize! |
| 09:15.25 | waiting | dragons :O |
| 09:15.28 | annma | FaeLLe[gentoo]: how? ask in yyour distro channel |
| 09:15.33 | waiting | I prefer pigs :) |
| 09:15.45 | Jucato | fibonacci: were you talking about an existing ftp app that has a resume upload feature? |
| 09:15.47 | fibonacci | waiting: Yes there is something traditional and mysterious about pigs. |
| 09:15.54 | fibonacci | Jucato: gFTP. |
| 09:16.04 | Jucato | ah |
| 09:16.06 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | annma, oh of course :D |
| 09:16.13 | Jucato | brb :) |
| 09:16.18 | waiting | pigs are intelligent |
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| 09:16.51 | fibonacci | waiting: Extremly so, thay have the decency to bathe in mud. |
| 09:17.11 | waiting | yes, humans pay a lot of money for doing that |
| 09:17.16 | waiting | and they only started recently |
| 09:17.18 | bluekb | anyone? |
| 09:17.28 | fibonacci | bluekb: ? |
| 09:17.46 | bluekb | I was wondering if there is a way to set a delay before a window shades. |
| 09:18.26 | waiting | god no ^^ |
| 09:18.39 | waiting | that would violate accessibility guidelines |
| 09:18.52 | waiting | severely ;D |
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| 09:19.03 | waiting | in a variety of points |
| 09:19.16 | waiting | on a long-term basis |
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| 09:19.30 | fibonacci | waiting: HAHAH |
| 09:19.32 | waiting | bluekb: nah probably not :) |
| 09:20.19 | fibonacci | bluekb: Let's put it like this, IF you can imagine it Linux can do it. It's just about putting your will to it! (That rhimes, didn't mean to, but honestly it's alot like Peter Pan!) |
| 09:20.35 | waiting | consider me cpt. hook then |
| 09:20.39 | bluekb | waiting: I was about to say... I escaped gnome because things were getting dumber and insane for reasons like that. :) |
| 09:20.43 | waiting | in practise, it will require you to hack the source |
| 09:21.18 | waiting | and while that formally is an accomplishable task, you must have nerves of steel to end up not like the nervous, tense and tired wreck tht I am |
| 09:21.20 | bluekb | waiting: Thanks. Could you point me in the direction of the source? ;) |
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| 09:21.55 | waiting | hm ... |
| 09:21.57 | bluekb | Sorry to have interrupted your conversation about pigs and mud. Please, carry on. |
| 09:22.03 | waiting | window shading sounds like kwin's job |
| 09:22.09 | fibonacci | I'm actully a bit hurt. |
| 09:22.43 | waiting | ok, there are styles, but they affect only staic layout so my guess is, the operation of "shading" is intrinsic to kwin |
| 09:22.44 | Hurt | <-- use to be fibonacci, now Hurt... |
| 09:23.33 | waiting | kwin is in kdebase |
| 09:23.33 | Hurt | I had a good roll about pigs and stuff, things that concern my everyday life, then bluekb came in , and now HE'S the star, all this about editing source code .... |
| 09:23.39 | waiting | ;DDD |
| 09:23.58 | bluekb | lol |
| 09:24.22 | Fibonacci | I might survive though, I'm going to work in a couple of minutes, at least there I'm anonymous! |
| 09:25.13 | Fibonacci | <--- Doing the night shift! CYA ! |
| 09:25.19 | bluekb | Speaking of pigs and mud, if they're so smart why do they roll in mud and feces? |
| 09:25.42 | bluekb | It's not like rolling in money. Mud isn't exactly rare. |
| 09:25.48 | Fibonacci | bluekb: Humans are so inferior, that we don't understand the obvious. |
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| 09:28.51 | waiting | for some insane reason I consider australia part of the western hemisphere |
| 09:29.35 | bluekb | Perhaps because they speak English. |
| 09:29.43 | waiting | perhaps |
| 09:29.47 | Renze | you call that english? ;) |
| 09:29.55 | bluekb | Renze: what do you call it? |
| 09:30.10 | Renze | strewth, mate! I call it Australian! Fair dinkum! |
| 09:30.56 | bluekb | Renze: perhaps it is because they speak Australian. |
| 09:30.56 | bluekb | ;) |
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| 09:34.37 | waiting | bluekb: I found the source that does what you want |
| 09:34.43 | waiting | bluekb: but |
| 09:34.54 | waiting | bluekb: you ant to add that as a config value somewhere, right? |
| 09:35.06 | waiting | bluekb: beats me how to do that properly |
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| 09:35.55 | bluekb | waiting: uh... |
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| 09:37.31 | waiting | bluekb: oh, and also I am not on the lastest source but on 3.5.5a with lotsa dfsg patching |
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| 09:37.50 | bluekb | I was somewhat, erm, not serious about looking at source code. |
| 09:37.59 | bluekb | Sorry. |
| 09:38.00 | thiago | dfsg patching? |
| 09:38.06 | thiago | what did they turn off? |
| 09:38.09 | waiting | bluekb: ok, interested in talking about pigs? |
| 09:38.22 | bluekb | waiting: yes, please. |
| 09:38.24 | waiting | ok |
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| 09:38.40 | waiting | I once found that unicode has an important grapheme missing |
| 09:38.51 | thiago | waiting: which one? |
| 09:39.01 | waiting | it's from abstract logic and is commonly used to denote the predicate "is true if and only if pigs can fly" |
| 09:39.31 | waiting | here it is: http://tk-sls.de/pub/img/swin.png |
| 09:39.38 | thiago | yeah... I think it's missing |
| 09:39.50 | thiago | but check the Unicode upcoming glyphs chart |
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| 09:39.57 | thiago | maybe someone suggested it :-) |
| 09:40.01 | waiting | I wonder where I can request it to be included into the next version of unicode |
| 09:40.08 | waiting | oh |
| 09:40.22 | waiting | that would be great |
| 09:40.37 | waiting | then I could finally publish my most important tractise ever |
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| 10:21.00 | xushi | i don't get this.. i have 3 address books in kaddress.. one i just created. if i keep the tick on it only, i still see many names there o_O.. i add one contact there, and it makes 2 copies of it.. (1 on that address book and 1 on another?!). Afterwards, now it shows 3 contacts on that new address book |
| 10:21.18 | xushi | either something is terribly wrong, or i'm missing a point here.. an dhow can you move names from one address book to another ? |
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| 10:22.59 | xushi | ffs, it duplicated TWO copies of every contact i have now, when i created this new address book! |
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| 10:23.55 | PhilRod | xushi: let me see if I can reproduce it |
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| 10:24.21 | Jucato | hi PhilRod! |
| 10:24.21 | PhilRod | hiya juc |
| 10:24.21 | PhilRod | hiya Jucato |
| 10:24.57 | pjv_ | hi is it possible for me to use kmail to retrieve my email account from hotmail? if so, what are the pop and smtp servers? |
| 10:25.10 | PhilRod | xushi: are the 2nd and third addressbooks on an imap, or something? |
| 10:25.24 | xushi | PhilRod: no. all are here |
| 10:25.34 | vlt | Hello. Why is copying a file via konqueror and fish:// so slow? I get only 10 mbit while using scp gives me up to 200 mbit. |
| 10:25.41 | xushi | i mean i don't use imap |
| 10:25.50 | PhilRod | pjv_: http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/ |
| 10:26.07 | xushi | PhilRod: within the newely created address book, if i right click on a contact -> store contact in, i don't get any popup window.. as i would in any of the other address books |
| 10:26.19 | xushi | PhilRod: maby it makes a copy of ALL the contacts in the other a.books into this one ? |
| 10:26.34 | PhilRod | how did you create the additional abooks? |
| 10:26.42 | xushi | the add button on the bottom left |
| 10:27.33 | xushi | thing is, when i click on a contact, i have no idea which a.book he/she belongs to |
| 10:27.56 | PhilRod | hrm, I only have "add contact" on the bottom left, not add address book |
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| 10:28.27 | xushi | great.. i deleted all the ones from my new address book, and it deleted them from the others too (luckely i exported before this) |
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| 10:28.30 | xushi | PhilRod: err, question, |
| 10:28.40 | xushi | i have the Add button, and i always add a 'directory' |
| 10:28.42 | xushi | is that my mistake ? |
| 10:29.03 | PhilRod | vlt: could be that fish:// isn't buffering (and is writing straight to disk) or something (just guessing) |
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| 10:29.16 | pjv | PhilRod: ty |
| 10:29.53 | PhilRod | xushi: ah, sorry, just remembered it's settings-dependent (settings->show extension bar->addressbooks) |
| 10:29.56 | PhilRod | now I'll try |
| 10:30.18 | xushi | format: vCard |
| 10:30.39 | xushi | hmm, both of which are in the same location |
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| 10:31.16 | Frederick | folks does kde has any xharacter map application? |
| 10:31.40 | annma | yes KCharSelect |
| 10:31.41 | xushi | PhilRod: i found my msitake |
| 10:31.54 | annma | Frederick: look how to get it from your distro |
| 10:31.59 | xushi | PhilRod: when i create a new directory, the default location there always sends to the same place |
| 10:32.05 | PhilRod | heh :-) |
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| 10:32.16 | xushi | .kde/share/apps/kabc/stdvcf/ |
| 10:32.45 | PhilRod | yeah, perhaps it could be more intelligent about that |
| 10:33.05 | xushi | i'll search in the bug tracker and file a bug on this |
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| 10:33.35 | PhilRod | it's not exactly a bug, but certainly a behaviour that could be improved |
| 10:34.00 | xushi | would i file it as a bug or a wish ? |
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| 10:35.08 | picca | has anyone got flash 9 beta for linux working with konqueror |
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| 10:35.57 | picca | Jucato: did you just copy the libflashplayer.so file into ~/.mozilla/plugins and then get konqueror to scan new plugins? |
| 10:36.19 | Jucato | picca: it was packaged for my distro |
| 10:36.28 | picca | ah ok |
| 10:36.37 | vlt | PhilRod: Just tested writing to a ramdisk ... it's doesn't get faster than 10 mbit when I use fish:// |
| 10:36.50 | vlt | s/it's/it/ |
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| 10:41.04 | flamesro1k | guys, how do I download a podcast in Amarok? |
| 10:41.12 | PhilRod | xushi: file as a wish, then the developer can upgrade to a bug if he wishes |
| 10:41.29 | PhilRod | vlt: hrm, odd |
| 10:41.48 | PhilRod | vlt: you could try asking in #kde-devel - someone there might be familiar with the internals of kio |
| 10:41.58 | PhilRod | flamesro1k: if no one here knows, you can also ask in #amarok |
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| 10:45.15 | thiago | vlt: fish://localhost? |
| 10:46.24 | PhilRod | ah, here's someone who's familiar with the internals of kio... |
| 10:47.12 | Jucato | heh :) |
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| 10:49.03 | PhilRod | bah, bugs.kde.org hates me |
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| 10:49.17 | Jucato | how come? |
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| 10:49.57 | PhilRod | I'm trying to add an attachment to a report, and the server just isn't responding |
| 10:50.10 | Sho_ | vlt: Semi-related note, if the SSH server you're connecting to has file transfer support enabled, you want to be using sftp:// over fish://, which is an actual SSH File Transfer client rather than the Perl script/shell/coreutils commands hack that is fish:// |
| 10:50.54 | xushi | odd, kaddressbook says it's version 3.5.3 using kde 3.5.5, but in portage it says it's version 3.5.5 |
| 10:51.08 | Jucato | PhilRod: bko has been a bit slow these past days... |
| 10:51.22 | xushi | here's another irritation.. bugs.kde when you want to file a new one, 2nd window it asks you for your kde version, and distribution method. But in the 4th window, it asks you for your operating system (again?) |
| 10:51.43 | xushi | yea the search is taking forever too |
| 10:52.22 | PhilRod | xushi: you could be running self-compiled sources on somedistro, so it potentially makes a difference |
| 10:52.42 | xushi | PhilRod: is there a kaddressbook 3.5.5 out ? |
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| 10:53.51 | PhilRod | xushi: what do you mean? there was a version released with kde 3.5.5 |
| 10:54.35 | xushi | PhilRod: i mean, on your kde 3.5.5 on your distro (or self compiled), when you go to help -> about, does it show kaddressbook 3.5.5 using kde 3.5.5 or k.a.book 3.5.3 using 3.5.5 ? |
| 10:55.11 | PhilRod | 3.5.3 |
| 10:55.12 | chakie_work | is there any IM protocol that's even remotely stable to use? i'm trying to use jabber and the server seems to be down all the time |
| 10:55.18 | xushi | thats; good |
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| 10:56.12 | flamesro1k | thankks PhilRod |
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| 11:03.48 | xushi | chakie_work: not sure about jabber itself, i use gtalk which uses jabber. It's not that bad appart from the frequent disconnections and lack of reconnection in kopete. Otherwise, i prefer ICQ for the sole reason of having offline messaging capabilities. I think that's also done with Yahoo, but you'll need to create a yahoo email and account just for IM |
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| 11:04.39 | chakie_work | xushi: someone behind icq seems to change the protocol all the time, i can't rely on something where i'm without IM for days/weeks at a time |
| 11:05.06 | xushi | chakie_work: i've seen protocol changes, but i've never seen downtime for days or weeks at all |
| 11:05.10 | chakie_work | xushi: jabber.com which is my server seems to have hiccups also all the time, usually keeps me offline a day or two |
| 11:05.27 | xushi | most i've seen one time was ~2 days after a big change, but that was waiting for the devs to release a new version of gaim back then |
| 11:05.32 | chakie_work | xushi: well, a few weeks ago (max) kopete just wouldn't connect for a long time |
| 11:05.37 | xushi | really ? |
| 11:05.39 | xushi | odd |
| 11:05.41 | chakie_work | yes |
| 11:05.51 | xushi | you could always go msn ;) |
| 11:05.54 | chakie_work | that's when i started using jabber |
| 11:06.12 | chakie_work | heh, i never managed to get registered with msn |
| 11:06.13 | xushi | i think the main issue relies on what the others are using, rather than what you want to use |
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| 11:06.53 | chakie_work | so true |
| 11:07.32 | xushi | 90% of the ppl i know (mostly family memebers and friends that arn't tekky) insist.. nay.. insist! on using msn for some reason |
| 11:09.15 | xushi | in kde's bug tracker, do votes really do anything ? |
| 11:11.43 | Jucato | I think the higher the vote, the more it gets the dev's attention |
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| 11:12.51 | xushi | if a bug gets squashed, do you get your votes back to use on others? =] |
| 11:12.58 | PhilRod | yes, i think so |
| 11:13.04 | xushi | excellent |
| 11:13.32 | PhilRod | to be honest, I'm not sure voting always makes a huge amount of difference |
| 11:14.01 | PhilRod | well, of course it's always more complex than "lots of votes means someone will work on it" |
| 11:14.59 | PhilRod | if the change/fix requires architectural changes, or the developers simply don't want to implement it, then it probably doesn't get done (or has to wait for a new major version, or whatever) |
| 11:15.52 | Sho_ | Unless there are really *many* votes (hundreds), the vote count is largely irrelevant outside of crossing the threshold to auto-confirm bugs (which for me is unimportant as well since I always list unconfirmed ones too anyway) |
| 11:16.27 | PhilRod | it's interesting as a gauge of what features people want, but not much more than that |
| 11:16.36 | xushi | you could start with http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136079 :) |
| 11:16.56 | PhilRod | I guess if you want to implement a feature/fix a bug that will make you rich and famous, you could look for the ones with high votes :-) |
| 11:17.00 | xushi | 30 seconds to improve the changelog or bug squash count by 1 ;) |
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| 11:19.00 | Sho_ | xushi: unfortunately kdewebdev.org is not in KDE SVN I think |
| 11:19.26 | xushi | approximately how big is kde's svn ? |
| 11:19.29 | xushi | in size |
| 11:19.47 | Sho_ | big ;) |
| 11:19.53 | gregarei | im trying to use dcop to allow me to control music from a webserver, i gave the http user privileges to read the correct user .ICEauthority but i am told it cannot create socket when i do dcop --user otheruser |
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| 11:30.53 | waiting | I isolated the mergedfb problem |
| 11:31.06 | waiting | the error is not in kde but in qt :) |
| 11:33.37 | waiting | it delivers incoherent reports about screen count, number and geometry to kdesktop |
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| 11:36.35 | thiago | gregarei: you must run *as* the user in question |
| 11:36.45 | thiago | so, you need a setuid program (scripts can't be setuid) |
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| 12:15.06 | picca | does anyone have a problem with flash player sound being out of sync in konqueror? |
| 12:15.44 | benJIman | picca: install flash9 |
| 12:16.00 | picca | benJIman: i can't get konqueror to recognise flash9 |
| 12:16.27 | benJIman | picca: install it in the right place then |
| 12:16.34 | benJIman | or point konqueror to where it is installed |
| 12:16.41 | picca | benJIman: i have installed it in the right place |
| 12:16.57 | picca | benJIman: and konqueror does point to that directory by default |
| 12:17.17 | benJIman | picca: click the "scan for new plugins" button] |
| 12:17.18 | picca | benJIman: but it doesn't pick it up |
| 12:17.26 | picca | benJIman: i've done that also :( |
| 12:17.36 | annma | PhilRod: how do I mark something a user writes in a line edit please? |
| 12:17.38 | benJIman | picca: works fine here |
| 12:17.50 | PhilRod | <userinput> |
| 12:17.52 | picca | it works with flashplayer 7 and picks it up, but not FP9 |
| 12:17.53 | benJIman | picca: if you're on a 64bit system you'll need the 32bit nspluginviewer installed of course |
| 12:18.01 | benJIman | works fine for me with 9 |
| 12:18.07 | picca | 32bit system here |
| 12:18.28 | annma | PhilRod: oh yes, thanks |
| 12:18.34 | picca | i wonder if some of the previous beta versions of FP9 work |
| 12:18.54 | PhilRod | annma: heh, I'm surprised I can remember that -I haven't done any docbook in a-g-e-s |
| 12:19.20 | annma | :) you have docbook integrated in your brain |
| 12:21.00 | PhilRod | yeah, it must be by now :-) |
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| 12:23.36 | webmind | hello |
| 12:23.48 | webmind | can anyone tell me how to save a profile in konqueror using dcop ? |
| 12:23.49 | PhilRod | hi webmind |
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| 12:26.14 | PhilRod | webmind: doesn't look like you can |
| 12:26.28 | webmind | that's kinda crap |
| 12:26.35 | webmind | you've got all the nice dcop stuff |
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| 12:26.49 | webmind | but you can't make a crash recovery out of it |
| 12:26.58 | webmind | pity |
| 12:28.02 | picca | benJIman: just done a ldd on the plugin and it seems it depends on GTK, which i don't have installed :( |
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| 12:29.02 | webmind | awell thanks |
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| 13:09.36 | xushi_ | o_O |
| 13:10.05 | warriorness | wtf |
| 13:10.33 | warriorness | xushi_: perhaps use rm -rf |
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| 13:11.28 | warriorness | whatever |
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| 13:45.21 | reber | hi |
| 13:45.29 | PhilRod | hi reber |
| 13:45.37 | reber | any gentoo users here ? it there an ebuild that can add lots of theme to kde ? (i installed all kdeartworks i could, nothing appears in the theme manager) |
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| 13:59.22 | reber | anyone ? |
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| 14:02.03 | Sho_ | reber: I recommend reading this guide: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/customizing-desktop.html <- so you understand the difference between themes and their sub-components, which are installed individually |
| 14:02.17 | pinotree | reber: the themes in kdeaddons are not complete themes, but eg window decorations, widget styles, etc |
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| 14:03.13 | Jucato | :D |
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| 14:03.19 | reber | pinotree, are there any ebuilds that would add complete themes ? |
| 14:03.28 | reber | s/complete/whole |
| 14:03.33 | pinotree | we don't give distro support, sorry |
| 14:03.36 | Jucato | er.. I meant :O |
| 14:03.44 | waiting | :] |
| 14:03.46 | Sho_ | Jucato: It sucks that it's not a single-page version though ... I hope you'll put up a less horrid version on your own website |
| 14:04.06 | pinotree | we can suggest you to download one from eg kde-look.org and compile it yourself |
| 14:04.11 | waiting | I want an icon manager that spans all of my screens :D |
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| 14:04.24 | Jucato | Sho_: won't I be violating some license if I put an exact copy of the guide on my website? |
| 14:04.28 | annma | Sho_: less horrid? |
| 14:04.28 | reber | ok, i understand but distro channels don't give kde support. The old story... |
| 14:04.33 | Sho_ | Jucato: Why would you? You wrote it |
| 14:04.44 | Jucato | heh I |
| 14:04.47 | benJIman | reber: some do |
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| 14:04.53 | Jucato | heh I'm not good with licenses :) |
| 14:04.59 | pinotree | reber: in this case (providing a package for the distro) _is_ a task for the distro channel |
| 14:05.07 | Sho_ | annma: In my experience, nobody clicks sub-section or "Next" links - it should be a single, scrollable page, which a list of links to anchors at the top |
| 14:05.21 | Jucato | whoa? the guide is included in stable now? I thought it was still under the development tree... |
| 14:05.28 | annma | maybe link to the pdf version then |
| 14:05.38 | Sho_ | The HTML versions of the handbooks don't really cut it as far as online guides go |
| 14:05.40 | annma | you're saying people don't read guides then |
| 14:06.05 | reber | ok |
| 14:06.06 | annma | you can put a one page version on the wiki if you want |
| 14:06.16 | reber | see you |
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| 14:07.07 | PhilRod | Sho_: it would be quite easy to change in the XSLT, but we'd have to do it across all docs |
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| 14:07.54 | PhilRod | I mean, it's just a parameter in some file that decides where the break is done. I guess breaking on chapter (instead of <sect1> as we do now) might be better, since it would lead to longer pages |
| 14:07.57 | annma | most docs will have too long pages |
| 14:08.10 | annma | it'll be unreadable |
| 14:08.16 | PhilRod | either way we get problems. There are definitely some too-short pages now |
| 14:08.30 | icwiener | PhilRod: apropos global changes. Is the background color for widget nabes (guilabel, guibutton, ...) noticeable on your monitor? |
| 14:08.32 | annma | what matters is that the doc exists |
| 14:08.36 | Sho_ | annma: Well, in my experience, when you give someone a link in the chat, they click it, glance at the page, maybe scroll it down and up, and if they don't immediately see something that strikes their fancy, they'll disregard it. When every little paragraph is in a sub-page hidden behind a link, they'll never get to see it. |
| 14:08.48 | Sho_ | annma: Hence Jucato's guide would work better as a single document, imho |
| 14:08.55 | annma | most users we point docs to READ it |
| 14:08.55 | PhilRod | icwiener: no, I can't see it, but I always assumed it was becuase my monitor settings were wrong :-) |
| 14:09.01 | annma | Sho_: I disagree |
| 14:09.30 | icwiener | PhilRod: Well, then mines are as well,... or it's to light in the stylesheets :) |
| 14:09.35 | annma | they are happy to find the answer by reading the doc as they trust us the answer is there |
| 14:10.01 | DirkGently | Sho_'s a man page person... not info page |
| 14:10.05 | Jucato | icwiener: btw, thanks for the correction about deKorator. I installed it and you're right :) |
| 14:10.05 | PhilRod | icwiener: I remember discussing this with lauri, who knows about graphics and stuff, but I don't remember the conclusion |
| 14:10.19 | icwiener | Jucato: Sure I am. ;) |
| 14:10.38 | icwiener | Jucato: You found a package? :) |
| 14:11.01 | Jucato | icwiener: yeah. but now I forgot where I got it :) |
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| 14:11.25 | icwiener | PhilRod: I remember discussing that on the german tranlators mailing list whan I started translating in KDE. Then there was no sollution so nothing happaned. ;) |
| 14:11.31 | icwiener | Jucato: hehe |
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| 14:11.48 | instructor | where can I find information on the KDE wallet? |
| 14:12.01 | Sho_ | DirkGently: I'm not talking about myself |
| 14:12.03 | icwiener | Jucato: But did you see, that the deKorator guys let one "Path's" somewhere in the interface? |
| 14:12.05 | pinotree | which kind of information? |
| 14:12.35 | instructor | pinotree, A project page? |
| 14:12.49 | pinotree | which kind of information for? |
| 14:12.50 | Jucato | icwiener: what do you mean? |
| 14:13.15 | instructor | pinotree, I want to know if there is any support for rotated passwords |
| 14:13.31 | icwiener | Jucato: On one place, they still wrote "Path." in the configuration pages. |
| 14:13.58 | Jucato | ah. but no more "Path's" |
| 14:14.06 | pinotree | instructor: don't think so... there's no webpage ofe kwallet either |
| 14:14.06 | icwiener | Jucato: err |
| 14:14.11 | Sho_ | annma: It has just happened countless times that I've given people a link to a multi-page guide, they glance for five seconds at the first page not immediately seeing the answer and then just ask again .. |
| 14:14.12 | pinotree | s/ofe/of/ |
| 14:14.12 | icwiener | Jucato: meant "Path's" |
| 14:14.34 | annma | Sho_: I did not see that behaviour |
| 14:15.08 | annma | we often give the FAQ link an dpeople manage to find the answer |
| 14:15.20 | annma | I am sure they browse |
| 14:15.35 | instructor | pinotree, Who could I submit a request to? |
| 14:15.39 | pinotree | bugs.kde.org |
| 14:15.54 | instructor | Ah of course |
| 14:16.05 | PhilRod | I'd tend to agree with Sho_ that this particular guide would be better on one page |
| 14:16.26 | annma | then the doc itself should be consistent |
| 14:16.50 | annma | we cannot put 1 chapter all in one page and not the others |
| 14:16.57 | benJIman | Things should nearly always be on one page |
| 14:17.04 | Jucato | I had nothing to do with it! :) |
| 14:17.05 | benJIman | even books |
| 14:17.06 | Sho_ | The best solution is probably to keep the user-guide as is and mirror a one-page version of the customization guide in the wiki |
| 14:17.19 | instructor | benJIman, Yeah google should just list all the websites on page one |
| 14:17.20 | annma | i hate scrolling pdf documents for example |
| 14:17.43 | instructor | Make Ctrl+F so much more exciting :) |
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| 14:18.01 | benJIman | instructor: or they could just leave off page2 onwards |
| 14:18.33 | annma | there's some work to be done regarding to doc scripts and KHelpCenter but I am not sure there's anyone to do it |
| 14:19.23 | Jucato | speaking of khelpcenter, I hope nxternal's project pushes through, if there are no other plans for khelpcenter 4... |
| 14:19.32 | PhilRod | it would be great if we could find some people with time and inclination to work on all this |
| 14:19.50 | annma | yes |
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| 14:20.13 | annma | what's nxternal, Jucato ? |
| 14:20.25 | Sho_ | a Kubuntu developer |
| 14:20.29 | Sho_ | nixternal is his nickname |
| 14:20.30 | Jucato | annma: not what. who. just didn't want to spell his name :) |
| 14:20.42 | annma | ah so what is the project? |
| 14:20.44 | Jucato | PhilRod knows what he's working on |
| 14:21.09 | Jucato | topic based help center. more like front page for now. I think he only has a mockup |
| 14:21.11 | Sho_ | Jucato: Richard Johnson is his real name iirc |
| 14:21.18 | Jucato | yep it is, Sho_ :) |
| 14:21.27 | PhilRod | I don't remember exactly what he said it was, though he said he was interested in working on khelpcenter |
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| 14:21.52 | annma | he is not working on an alternate for KUbuntu? |
| 14:21.54 | Jucato | let me see if I can pull up some links |
| 14:22.09 | Jucato | annma: he wants to work with upstream as much as possible |
| 14:22.11 | annma | I am interested of giving ideas for KHelCenter |
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| 14:22.28 | annma | so please put him in touch with me if he is serious |
| 14:22.52 | annma | PhilRod: about docbook and scripts, is there any maintainer? |
| 14:23.06 | Jucato | annma: no problem. he's actually in here, that's why I didn't want to spell out his name so as not to disturb him :) |
| 14:23.13 | nixternal | Jucato: you can always spell my name :) |
| 14:23.17 | Jucato | lol |
| 14:23.20 | Jucato | hi nixternal!! |
| 14:23.22 | annma | hi nixternal |
| 14:23.24 | nixternal | hiya |
| 14:23.34 | nixternal | im messing with (read breaking) spamassassin |
| 14:23.37 | Jucato | nixternal: doing some advertising for yah.. hehehe |
| 14:23.42 | annma | so you're working/wiling to work on KHelpCenter nixternal ? |
| 14:23.42 | instructor | Hey nixternal |
| 14:24.03 | test | howdy people I am a first timer so plz forgive me |
| 14:24.06 | nixternal | i am so sick of people telling my i have a small package and i should take pills to grow it, viagras on sale this week at the phFarmacy, and great insider stock tips |
| 14:24.08 | PhilRod | annma: not specifically. Send questions/comments/suggestions to kde-doc-english, although I think I'm the only person around who knows much about it |
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| 14:24.25 | PhilRod | nixternal: today's xkcd |
| 14:24.32 | nixternal | lovely |
| 14:24.43 | annma | PhilRod: well I have 2 ideas for KDE4 but they'll need work |
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| 14:25.06 | annma | not sure how connected to KHelpCenter and docbook/scripts they are |
| 14:25.14 | instructor | nixternal, I have a small package too! |
| 14:25.22 | nixternal | gahahahaha |
| 14:25.26 | nixternal | that was unexpected |
| 14:25.43 | annma | nixternal: so, about KHelpCenter |
| 14:25.51 | annma | do you have plans? |
| 14:26.04 | instructor | nixternal, You should package spamassain as ViaGrrr.deb :) |
| 14:26.11 | nixternal | not me personally, but will be working along side the devs until i get on their nerves |
| 14:26.12 | instructor | nixternal, Make it as small as possible ;-) |
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| 14:26.37 | nixternal | hoping to make khelpcenter more modular (kind of like the great Konversation is), and introduce the KDE world to topic based help |
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| 14:27.03 | Jucato | (kind of like the great Konversation is) <--- hehehe! :) |
| 14:27.03 | annma | ok, did you start something already? |
| 14:27.15 | nixternal | you like that shameless plug i just did for Sho_ :) |
| 14:27.19 | nixternal | haha |
| 14:27.34 | Jucato | of course |
| 14:27.43 | annma | nixternal: are you working for KUbuntu on this? |
| 14:27.51 | Jucato | I have an objective right not /j #ulteo |
| 14:28.01 | Jucato | bah! |
| 14:28.13 | Jucato | I have an objective right now to have Konvi included in Ulteo |
| 14:28.16 | smileaf | boy.. getting crowded in here. |
| 14:28.23 | Jucato | smileaf!!!! :) |
| 14:28.27 | smileaf | Thats better ^_^ |
| 14:28.32 | nixternal | annma: yes I am |
| 14:28.41 | smileaf | Jucato: good morning :) |
| 14:28.49 | Sho_ | smileaf: hehe |
| 14:28.57 | annma | ok, how can someone be in touch with htis work? |
| 14:29.21 | Jucato | nixternal: another doc person for you to work with :) |
| 14:29.34 | annma | nixternal: did you think about exporting to pdf in KHelpCenter? |
| 14:29.36 | Jucato | nixternal: just tell me if you want me to stop advertising your plans to early... :) |
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| 14:30.00 | nixternal | no PDF locally installed, they are to big |
| 14:30.24 | nixternal | PDFs are great for the website (but maybe PDFs on the DVD?) |
| 14:30.37 | annma | exporting to pdf |
| 14:30.52 | annma | if the user wants that doc to pdf so he can print it |
| 14:31.01 | Sho_ | annma: You can already do that by printing to PDF, no? |
| 14:31.02 | annma | not having all docs in pdf |
| 14:31.10 | PhilRod | I have the tools to generate pdfs pretty much done. I just need to talk to the cmake folks about getting it included in the buildsystem |
| 14:31.11 | instructor | annma, can't you do that already? |
| 14:31.13 | PhilRod | and how best to do that |
| 14:31.20 | Jucato | only the current page will be printed as PDF |
| 14:31.28 | nixternal | ya, not every user knows how to isntall/setup/run fop server |
| 14:31.29 | PhilRod | you can print the html to pdf, but that doesn't give nice results |
| 14:31.48 | PhilRod | nixternal: I do it with dblatex, which uses latex and some perl |
| 14:31.58 | PhilRod | bbi5 |
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| 14:32.02 | nixternal | i will check that out for personal stuff here |
| 14:32.14 | nixternal | the doc team uses apache fop, which is nice "when it works" |
| 14:32.21 | annma | nixternal: I guess you are more working on the GUI probably than on the internals of KHelpCenter, right? |
| 14:32.27 | nixternal | correct |
| 14:32.32 | smileaf | it maybe my lack of interest in pdf but how does exporting to pdf and then printing that improve anything? |
| 14:32.33 | nixternal | i do more documentation than anything |
| 14:32.51 | nixternal | all i did was make a simple html mock-up of what it could look like, and i guess lucky me everyone liked it |
| 14:33.06 | annma | ok |
| 14:33.10 | Jucato | nixternal: mind sharing that mockup? :) |
| 14:33.16 | Jucato | (I lost the link...) |
| 14:33.19 | nixternal | me too |
| 14:33.27 | Jucato | :O |
| 14:33.29 | nixternal | http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/doc/ktbh |
| 14:33.31 | annma | what interests me is also internals: from docbook to html |
| 14:33.31 | nixternal | there it is ;) |
| 14:33.41 | Jucato | oh there |
| 14:33.58 | Jucato | heh |
| 14:34.20 | annma | nixternal: <me>too</me> |
| 14:34.23 | nixternal | heh |
| 14:34.40 | annma | and make this stupid index thing go |
| 14:34.52 | nixternal | Jucato: docbook is actually easier than html, especially when the docbook book is online for when you get stuck |
| 14:35.14 | nixternal | no funky customisation stuff since that is all done with xsl files, now those little buggers are tricky |
| 14:35.23 | MinceR | my problem with docbook is that i could never get xslt to work |
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| 14:36.09 | Jucato | nixternal: it's not a matter of easy or hard. but right now I'm juggling learning C++ *and* web page stuff (HTML,CSS) *and* some other stuff that I'll have to really squeeze it in... |
| 14:36.12 | annma | do distros customize KHelpCenter? |
| 14:36.17 | b4b0 | i juss upgraded kde pkgs but it doesnt reflect as so after reboot? |
| 14:36.20 | annma | currently? |
| 14:36.32 | annma | b4b0: ask in your distro channel |
| 14:36.35 | Sho_ | b4b0: Sounds like a question for #yourdistro |
| 14:36.56 | b4b0 | nice |
| 14:37.40 | PhilRod | smileaf: take a look at the pdfs on docs.kde.org |
| 14:38.03 | annma | bye all |
| 14:38.55 | PhilRod | MinceR: XSLT isn't too bad (apart from the fact that they decided to write a programming language in XML, yuk), and for KDE we have some tools that make it even easier |
| 14:39.25 | nixternal | Jucato: sounds like me there, C++, Python, and messing a little with OCaml |
| 14:40.03 | Jucato | hehe |
| 14:40.08 | b4b0 | my distro channel is asleep |
| 14:40.12 | PhilRod | nixternal: the mockup looks nice. I think it might be trciky to generalise to all distros |
| 14:40.50 | Jucato | nixternal: throw in a bit of formal Linux studying (linux bible 2005), some drawing stuff (by hand), and irc support... I don't know where else to put docbook |
| 14:40.53 | smileaf | PhilRod: so really all that does is change the format. in which still.. my question stands. As we could always duplicate the same bit by allowing the user to view a printer friendly version and skip the whole export to pdf. |
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| 14:42.04 | PhilRod | Jucato: docbook is nice to pick up as you go along - next time you feel like writing a guide, or some other docs, just open up an existing doc, and start editing :-) |
| 14:42.27 | PhilRod | you can work out most things by just looking at what's there already |
| 14:42.42 | Sho_ | DocBook is pretty intuitive |
| 14:42.46 | Jucato | PhilRod: yeah. that's why I said I'll be studying it little by little.but it, unfortunately, has to take backseat compared to my other pursuits :) |
| 14:42.48 | PhilRod | and then you can give it to me or jes or annma, and we can add anything else that needs to be there |
| 14:43.16 | PhilRod | Jucato: fair enough, and tbh, it's not that interesting to just read a book about it - it's better to just do as you go along |
| 14:44.07 | PhilRod | smileaf: ok, we're probably wanting the same thing. The fact that it's PDF is neither here nor there. The point is that there's a version suitable for on-screen viewing (happens to be HTML) and another version suitable for printing (happens to be PDF) |
| 14:44.36 | Jucato | no one better to document it than the one who made it :P |
| 14:44.50 | Jucato | (or who works on it...) |
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| 14:45.09 | PhilRod | not necessarily true - if you know something too well, you forget which bits of it aren't obvious |
| 14:45.17 | PhilRod | :-) |
| 14:45.32 | smileaf | PhilRod: perhaps, I guess what I was thinking was no one wants to do a 2 step process just to print something. |
| 14:45.35 | Jucato | heh yeah |
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| 14:46.01 | PhilRod | (I often wonder how people can't work out some things that they ask about in here, but it's just because I've spent years and years using KDE, and have got completely used to its behaviours and quirks) |
| 14:46.26 | smileaf | PhilRod: also people like to view it before they print, and I'd rather not do an 'export to pdf' open the pdf to view it and also so I could print it. |
| 14:46.35 | PhilRod | smileaf: oh, ok - but that's a GUI thing. We can (and should) have a one-step "print this document" option in khc |
| 14:47.00 | Jucato | one that doesn't only print (to PDF) one page... |
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| 14:47.13 | PhilRod | unfortunately we have far more ideas than people to implement them :-( |
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| 14:47.32 | PhilRod | Jucato: he's done it and sent it to me. I need to mark it up |
| 14:47.36 | b4b0 | Jucato: i got the kdedtlogin pkg too and it still doesnt reflect |
| 14:47.51 | Jucato | b4b0: excuse me? |
| 14:47.52 | smileaf | PhilRod: yes, which is why I said we could have a 'view printer friendly version' if that version is pdf then fine. |
| 14:48.05 | Jucato | PhilRod: oh kool. that's great :) |
| 14:48.19 | b4b0 | help me get my new kde |
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| 14:48.39 | PhilRod | b4b0: what distro are you using? |
| 14:48.43 | Jucato | ... |
| 14:48.48 | PhilRod | smileaf: agreed |
| 14:48.52 | b4b0 | the only diff in my distro is /opt/csw replaces /usr/local |
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| 14:49.29 | PhilRod | b4b0: what distro are you using? |
| 14:49.43 | b4b0 | of? |
| 14:49.48 | b4b0 | 3.4 |
| 14:49.51 | Sho_ | PhilRod: You're supposed to read his mind |
| 14:50.07 | b4b0 | is this an all linux channel? |
| 14:50.10 | smileaf | b4b0: you using linux, a BSD flavor? |
| 14:50.15 | b4b0 | bsd |
| 14:50.22 | smileaf | which BSD? |
| 14:50.26 | b4b0 | solaris |
| 14:50.30 | Jucato | O.o |
| 14:50.36 | Sho_ | Solaris is not a BSD |
| 14:50.40 | b4b0 | ^_^ |
| 14:50.46 | b4b0 | what is it? |
| 14:50.51 | Sho_ | It's Solaris |
| 14:50.52 | smileaf | its a unix variant |
| 14:50.52 | Jucato | Solaris |
| 14:51.00 | Jucato | unix-like OS |
| 14:51.01 | b4b0 | oh my bad |
| 14:51.14 | b4b0 | well everythings based off sys_v so |
| 14:51.16 | Jucato | but not BSD, nor Linux. but unix-based, like those |
| 14:51.30 | Sho_ | Jucato: Actually Solaris is a certified UNIX, as far as I know |
| 14:51.38 | Jucato | ah |
| 14:51.49 | PhilRod | "I'm using an abacus", "No you're not", "Well, everything derives from abacuses, so I am" |
| 14:51.57 | Jucato | lol |
| 14:52.00 | b4b0 | i mean you could start saying irix and aix, etc |
| 14:52.30 | b4b0 | ill figure it out |
| 14:52.33 | Jucato | thing is, I don't think anyone who is here right now is familiar with KDE running on solaris... |
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| 14:52.47 | Sho_ | b4b0: This channel isn't equipped to help you with specific packages or update mechanisms (KDE only ships source code, no packages) |
| 14:52.48 | Jucato | you might get better help in your channel, forum, or mailing list |
| 14:52.52 | b4b0 | its pretty smooth actually |
| 14:53.04 | b4b0 | im waiting for them to wake up |
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| 14:53.22 | Jucato | well, apparently not smooth enough, as you can't seem to get KDE running ;) |
| 14:53.28 | smileaf | PhilRod: "I'm using electricity" "no your using a computer." "Yes but computers use electricity, so I'm using a computer thats using electricity therefor I'm using electricity" |
| 14:53.41 | Jucato | I'm using electrons? |
| 14:53.45 | sint | hey, how to connect to another sftp port as 22 via konqueror? |
| 14:53.45 | b4b0 | i have it running - 3.1xx i got sll the new bases for 3.4xx |
| 14:53.59 | b4b0 | smileaf: heh, i get your point |
| 14:54.14 | smileaf | b4b0: point? no point that was random non-sense ^_^ |
| 14:54.25 | b4b0 | MEOW |
| 14:54.40 | PhilRod | sint: sftp://user@host:port/ |
| 14:54.44 | b4b0 | great i juss ran outta disk space |
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| 14:56.12 | b4b0 | heh, i have a 6gb and 4gb drives |
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| 14:56.38 | b4b0 | can i dd=if my old drives to newer ones? |
| 14:56.46 | b4b0 | ill buy |
| 14:57.25 | smileaf | how much? and where is this shipping to? |
| 14:57.28 | sint | PhilRod: thanks :) |
| 14:57.29 | icwiener | smileaf: Make them a present. What are thothe worth today? |
| 14:57.41 | icwiener | *those |
| 14:57.51 | b4b0 | can i image my my old disks to new ones and boot off them? |
| 14:57.52 | PhilRod | sint: that's standard URL syntax, so you can use it with http, ftp etc too |
| 14:58.00 | smileaf | icwiener: to someone with a 4 and a 6G hds, priceless ;) |
| 14:58.08 | icwiener | evit ;) |
| 14:58.12 | icwiener | evil |
| 14:58.23 | sint | PhilRod: good to know |
| 14:58.43 | smileaf | icwiener: also I'd rather not spend the shipping cost just to get rid of them eh? ;) |
| 14:58.51 | b4b0 | id pay for shipping |
| 14:59.09 | instructor | smileaf, xsl == css for XML ? |
| 14:59.19 | smileaf | instructor: kinda but not really |
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| 14:59.30 | PhilRod | instructor: a transformation language for turning one XML document into another |
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| 14:59.43 | icwiener | PhilRod: I was just away . Have you reached something with the stylesheets for gui elements in docs? |
| 14:59.48 | PhilRod | instructor: we use it in KDE to turn docbook documents to HTML (and PDF) |
| 14:59.57 | PhilRod | icwiener: no, haven't looked |
| 15:00.04 | PhilRod | but let me see if it already got changed once |
| 15:00.10 | icwiener | PhilRod: Ok. Just curious. :) |
| 15:00.12 | b4b0 | well, back to bed |
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| 15:01.42 | instructor | PhilRod unfortunately we have far more ideas than people to implement them :-( |
| 15:01.51 | instructor | So we are the anti_Microsoft :) |
| 15:02.06 | PhilRod | hehe |
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| 15:04.52 | MinceR | PhilRod: my problem with xslt is that i've tried many tools but none of them were documented enough -- i couldn't figure out how to make them process a file |
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| 15:06.14 | PhilRod | MinceR: do you mean the processing tools? or the XSLT files themselves? |
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| 15:06.26 | MinceR | the processing tools |
| 15:06.34 | MinceR | they rarely come with any documentation at all |
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| 15:06.51 | PhilRod | icwiener: ok, looking at it, it seems that the colour didn't get changed back to something darker |
| 15:07.22 | PhilRod | MinceR: not much more to know than "xsltproc -o outputfile xslfile.xsl xmlfile1.xml xmlfile2.xml ..." |
| 15:07.38 | PhilRod | oh, and you might need to set XML_CATALOG_FILES |
| 15:07.47 | icwiener | PhilRod: changed back? Has it been changed to a lighter color once? |
| 15:08.09 | PhilRod | icwiener: yes, see http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdelibs/doc/common/kde-default.css?rev=465272&view=log rev 224018 |
| 15:08.39 | PhilRod | icwiener: could you send an email about it to kde-doc-english? It warrants some further information |
| 15:08.45 | instructor | nixternal, Pretty :) |
| 15:08.48 | PhilRod | er, s/information/investigation/ |
| 15:09.08 | PhilRod | we should probably make it darker, but we need to make sure it doesn't make it too dark for other people |
| 15:09.54 | icwiener | PhilRod: It's strange. All I asked couldn't see the elements in docs. But noone seems to bother about it. |
| 15:10.18 | PhilRod | icwiener: probably because not enough people knew about it before :-) |
| 15:11.24 | icwiener | PhilRod: Well. I'll write an email to the list, then. :) |
| 15:11.27 | PhilRod | shopping time, bbl |
| 15:11.29 | PhilRod | thanks :-) |
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| 15:11.38 | icwiener | PhilRod: hf ;) |
| 15:11.55 | PhilRod | shopping? fat chance :-) |
| 15:11.57 | Jucato | bye PhilRod :) |
| 15:12.28 | Jucato | some people actually find shopping a pleasurable activity... :O |
| 15:12.59 | icwiener | Most of them hav boobs. :D |
| 15:13.20 | Jucato | lol |
| 15:13.48 | icwiener | But my brother likes shopping as well, so there are exceptions. :) |
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| 15:15.20 | Jucato | heh |
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| 15:17.31 | instructor | Jucato, nixternal: Herd 1 is out for Kubuntu? |
| 15:17.50 | Jucato | instructor: yep |
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| 15:19.14 | instructor | Jucato, is there a release page for it? With package info etc? |
| 15:20.00 | poopybutt | is there a way to sign on to kopete without asking me the wallet questions? |
| 15:20.03 | Jucato | instructor: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd1/Kubuntu |
| 15:20.26 | Jucato | poopybutt: next time the popup shows, click on Allow Always |
| 15:20.35 | Jucato | poopybutt: of course that presumes the wallet is already open |
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| 15:22.10 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 15:22.19 | rindolf | Can anyone try to reproduce http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=27528 on his system? |
| 15:24.20 | cbr | ffs |
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| 15:24.30 | cbr | the focus in konq's file browser is seriously bad |
| 15:24.43 | benJIman | cbr: in what way? |
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| 15:25.38 | cbr | i moved down with the arrow keys.. the dotted square was on the file i wanted to delete.. yet the blue focus had stayed on the top entry.. i pressed shift+delete quickly and didnt notice what the warning window said.. and i deleted the directory at the top of the list |
| 15:26.06 | cbr | cant even remember what it was i deleted now :p |
| 15:26.15 | benJIman | perhaps you should actually read warning dialogues |
| 15:27.01 | cbr | or perhaps the focus shouldnt be independent of the moving box-thing |
| 15:28.33 | cbr | i cant either now but it happened :p |
| 15:29.12 | instructor | I've seen that |
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| 15:29.19 | instructor | Just I read the box |
| 15:29.26 | Jucato | are you sure you weren't pressing Ctrl when you pressed the arrow key? |
| 15:30.32 | instructor | Hmm the .hidden was removed? |
| 15:31.12 | Jucato | instructor: yes |
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| 15:35.54 | instructor | Too many questions from hardcore Unix addicts? :) |
| 15:36.25 | Jucato | instructor: questions, complaints, and recommendation from seele (KDE HIG) |
| 15:36.55 | Jucato | s/questions, complaints/questions, complaints from users,/ |
| 15:37.10 | icwiener | seele? |
| 15:37.36 | Jucato | celeste lyn paul, KDE 4 HIG |
| 15:37.51 | icwiener | Oh, it's a nick? |
| 15:37.58 | Jucato | yep... hehehe sorry |
| 15:38.00 | Jucato | bad irc habit |
| 15:38.31 | icwiener | No, fair enough. I was just confused, because it's a german word. :D |
| 15:38.48 | Jucato | which means what? |
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| 15:39.00 | icwiener | mind/soul/spirit |
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| 15:39.27 | Jucato | ooooh |
| 15:39.34 | Jucato | nice.... I wonder if she knows that |
| 15:39.43 | icwiener | Oh, she is sweet as well. :D |
| 15:39.46 | Jucato | she probably does, as she works closely with ellen |
| 15:40.09 | icwiener | Yes, she would have mentioned that. :) |
| 15:40.12 | DocTomoe | Can anyone suggest how to automatically add the "right" file extension to a bunch of files (ca. 3000) based on their mimetype or the like? Amarok fucked up my selection and removed that extensions, now it tells me those files are unplayable (yes, I will switch to a more reliable media player) |
| 15:40.53 | DocTomoe | problem is: there a re some as ogg, some as mp3 |
| 15:41.34 | icwiener | Amarok deleted the extensions of your files?!? |
| 15:42.27 | DocTomoe | there seems to be a bug in its file management functionality. if you tell it to add a file extension, it duplicates (x.mp3 -> x.mp3.mp3), if you tell it not to add a file extension, it removes it alltogether (x.mp3 -> x) |
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| 15:42.56 | icwiener | And then it cannot add it again? :) |
| 15:42.59 | DocTomoe | I have some colourful metaphors amarok now ;) |
| 15:43.26 | DocTomoe | right, because it refuses to play a file named x without an extension. files it can't play, it won't add to a collection, and therefore no filemanagement for these |
| 15:45.14 | Jucato | I think there's an app called krename. might be of some help... |
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| 15:46.55 | DocTomoe | Jucato: krename I tried, but it would not distinguish between file types (mp3/ogg/wav/flac ...) |
| 15:47.23 | Jucato | I think some bash scripting would do... unfortunately... I don't know how... |
| 15:49.05 | DocTomoe | hm, I thought of that also ... but how do I get the file type? stat <filename> won't give me |
| 15:49.43 | icwiener | DocTomoe: mp3info? file? |
| 15:50.26 | Desintegr | DocTomoe: file |
| 15:50.29 | Jucato | file <filename>? |
| 15:50.30 | DocTomoe | icwiener: might work on mp3s, but does it do for ogg or flac? my collection is around 30%/60%/10% |
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| 15:53.35 | drizztbsd | hi |
| 15:53.44 | drizztbsd | how can i delete a logged session to konqueror? |
| 15:53.56 | pinotree | ? |
| 15:54.24 | drizztbsd | i am logged in a web site, if i close and reopen konqueror i'm still logged in |
| 15:54.50 | bbelt16ag | hjey |
| 15:55.20 | pinotree | if the login is not done via sessions, then maybe removing one or more cookies could do the job |
| 15:56.14 | drizztbsd | it's not a cookie is a basic authentication |
| 15:56.27 | drizztbsd | http://user:pass@url |
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| 15:58.05 | DocTomoe | you might want to check if any proxies are between you and the server |
| 15:58.25 | drizztbsd | none |
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| 16:06.00 | neobyte420 | hello room |
| 16:06.17 | neobyte420 | anyone there?> |
| 16:06.38 | neobyte420 | geees this apt-get for KDE is taking forever |
| 16:06.50 | menox | I'm here |
| 16:06.57 | neobyte420 | hello menox |
| 16:07.01 | menox | hello |
| 16:07.14 | neobyte420 | r u on linux? |
| 16:07.18 | neobyte420 | what flav |
| 16:07.32 | menox | yes, on my FC6 on my macbook |
| 16:07.38 | neobyte420 | cool cool |
| 16:07.47 | neobyte420 | i tried FC |
| 16:08.13 | neobyte420 | i dont like the cp rights thing |
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| 16:08.38 | neobyte420 | i like ubuntu |
| 16:08.40 | menox | hmm... It just has the most support for my hardware |
| 16:08.44 | menox | I was using ubuntu |
| 16:09.05 | neobyte420 | im getting KDE for it now |
| 16:09.12 | neobyte420 | its unpacking |
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| 16:09.14 | menox | I'm having problems with monodevelop in FC6 though |
| 16:09.29 | neobyte420 | i had issues with FC6 |
| 16:09.37 | neobyte420 | i got FC5 to work ok |
| 16:09.43 | neobyte420 | just wasnt felling it |
| 16:09.50 | menox | I haven't had a problem with FC6 |
| 16:09.54 | neobyte420 | thats good |
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| 16:10.02 | neobyte420 | do u game? |
| 16:10.13 | menox | warcraft |
| 16:10.16 | neobyte420 | cool |
| 16:10.18 | menox | heh |
| 16:10.20 | neobyte420 | on linux |
| 16:10.32 | menox | no, I really don't want to mess with wine |
| 16:10.37 | menox | not enough time |
| 16:10.40 | neobyte420 | lol |
| 16:10.42 | neobyte420 | right |
| 16:11.33 | neobyte420 | i do ..ET, AA, CSS, HL2, etc |
| 16:12.38 | WorldBFree | how do i use the moodin engine for logon stuff |
| 16:12.52 | WorldBFree | i installed with apt-get |
| 16:13.08 | WorldBFree | and have themes downloaded but dont know how to use it or where to find the options |
| 16:13.21 | DocTomoe | WorldBFree: its under "splash screen" in kcontrol |
| 16:13.51 | DocTomoe | WorldBFree: just choose a moodin theme, the rest is automagic |
| 16:13.52 | WorldBFree | DocTomoe: ahh thansk, i was looking under administration |
| 16:17.05 | neobyte420 | how do i witch between gmv & kmv |
| 16:17.29 | neobyte420 | switch* |
| 16:17.44 | neobyte420 | brb |
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| 16:21.02 | mati | where does kde keep its menu, i'd like to make a backup |
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| 16:22.43 | Q-collective | mati: ~/.kde |
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| 16:22.55 | mati | that does not help much |
| 16:23.16 | mati | can't find it |
| 16:23.23 | Q-collective | why make a backup of the menu specifically? |
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| 16:24.03 | tsdh | Hi. Is it somehow possible to edit textfields on inet sites with an external editor when usin konqueror? |
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| 16:24.58 | neobyte420 | how do i load kde |
| 16:25.38 | PhilRod | echo exec startkde >> ~/.xinitrc |
| 16:25.41 | PhilRod | then "startx" |
| 16:25.48 | Jucato | wb PhilRod. done shopping? |
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| 16:26.04 | neobyte420 | can open both gnome an d KDE at the same time? |
| 16:26.05 | pinotree | mati: somewhere in ~/.local |
| 16:26.38 | mati | thanks |
| 16:27.00 | DocTomoe | neobyte420: why would you want something like that? |
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| 16:27.10 | neobyte420 | just bc |
| 16:27.30 | neobyte420 | whats the cmd for switching the xwindows |
| 16:27.33 | DocTomoe | neobyte420: you can run any kde / gnome program from either Desktop enviroment, if the libraries are there. no need to run them at the same time |
| 16:27.39 | tsdh | neobyte420: You can, each on its own X display. |
| 16:27.46 | neobyte420 | oh ok |
| 16:28.02 | neobyte420 | tsdh, thats what i want to try |
| 16:28.10 | PhilRod | Jucato: did what I needed to do today. Should probably have done more of my christmas shopping... |
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| 16:28.28 | neobyte420 | that way i can play multipule opengl games |
| 16:29.11 | tsdh | neobyte420: Start KDE first, then K->Switch user->Start new session |
| 16:29.28 | Jucato | PhilRod: avoid the holiday rush :) |
| 16:29.44 | tsdh | neobyte420: But why start 2 different DEs therefore? |
| 16:29.45 | PhilRod | yeah, that's what I was trying to do. It wasn't too bad today |
| 16:29.52 | neobyte420 | im not |
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| 16:30.19 | neobyte420 | i just want to know the cmd to switch between gnome & kde from the cli |
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| 16:30.58 | PhilRod | neobyte420: how are you starting X? With startx, or with [xgk]dm? |
| 16:31.05 | DocTomoe | neobyte420: chances are you are new to that linux thing, right? |
| 16:31.30 | tsdh | neobyte420: If they're running on two displays swith with Ctrl+Alt+F7 / Ctrl+Alt+F8 |
| 16:31.55 | analfabeta | why when i put media:/hda5 i have error: a security police in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file. Member "Mount" error name (unset) |
| 16:32.03 | analfabeta | what is that? how can i fix it? |
| 16:32.34 | DocTomoe | analfabeta: what are the mounts permissions? |
| 16:32.56 | analfabeta | whith /media/mountpoint i can write ok! |
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| 16:35.12 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 16:35.27 | rindolf | Why am I getting this error http://rafb.net/paste/results/iE07xz64.html trying to compile KDE 3.5.4 on Mandriva? |
| 16:36.14 | rindolf | I'm using the source from the tar.bz2. |
| 16:36.44 | dav_ | did you check md5? |
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| 16:38.45 | rindolf | dav_: md5 of what? |
| 16:39.20 | PhilRod | rindolf: do you have a system version of KDE installed as well? It could be picking that up |
| 16:39.26 | Q-collective | md5sum blabla.tar.bz2 |
| 16:39.31 | rindolf | PhilRod: I do, yes. |
| 16:39.44 | rindolf | In any case, it's working now after I've deleted the apporpriate .moc and .cpp files. |
| 16:39.58 | rindolf | At least it continues with the build. |
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| 16:45.15 | gregd | when using khotkeys to try and activate a window and send a keypress. It does not work correctly. Is there a way to include a small delay between commands so they execute properly? |
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| 17:06.17 | cbr | heh.. i lost my kde desktop icons |
| 17:06.34 | cbr | they disappeared, logged in and out, only the 3 default ones appeared |
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| 17:17.10 | jackepc | nas |
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| 17:17.35 | PhilRod | san |
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| 17:41.34 | Allquixotic | Hello |
| 17:41.42 | PhilRod | hi Allquixotic |
| 17:42.03 | Allquixotic | hey PhilRod |
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| 17:43.09 | Allquixotic | does anyone know if there is a channel for C development? nothing jumped out at me from a /LIST... but I'm an intermediate student taking a Low-Level Programming course in C, with lots of prev. experience in Java and with Linux userland... the textbook we have is useless lol |
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| 17:43.29 | Allquixotic | I didn't want to ask in #kde but you guys are helpful about stuff in general ;) so I'd rather use you as a directory than discuss C here, lol |
| 17:43.46 | PhilRod | #c, perhaps? |
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| 17:43.55 | the-me | hi |
| 17:43.58 | PhilRod | hi the-me |
| 17:44.12 | the-me | does anyone know, how I can add http streams to a playlist at kaffeine? |
| 17:44.24 | Allquixotic | hopefully #c isn't like, a gcc bug reports channel... that would suck haha |
| 17:44.35 | Allquixotic | erm, #c redirected me to ##undefined-behavior |
| 17:44.36 | smileaf | the-me: file -> add url ? |
| 17:44.40 | Allquixotic | I don't get it hahaha |
| 17:44.55 | smileaf | open url sorry |
| 17:44.57 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 17:45.08 | bbelt16ag | i just got done customizing my kde |
| 17:45.17 | bbelt16ag | i got some cool themes |
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| 17:45.42 | the-me | smileaf, yes, but it doesn't add it to the playlist |
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| 17:46.02 | bbelt16ag | and i was wondering is there a way to save my wallpaper settings kde bars /w icons, positions of apps, like gkrellm, |
| 17:46.04 | the-me | ah sorry |
| 17:46.14 | bbelt16ag | well the conf will do that for gkrellme |
| 17:46.22 | the-me | I have to be at the playlistpart that it adds the url then |
| 17:46.23 | the-me | thanks |
| 17:46.38 | bbelt16ag | since each time it seems kde over writes my settings in my /home when it installs |
| 17:46.39 | Allquixotic | [12:45] [404] ##undefined-behavior Cannot send to channel :p |
| 17:46.40 | smileaf | the-me: drag the url from konq to the playlist seems to work :) |
| 17:47.12 | smileaf | Allquixotic: ##c |
| 17:47.13 | bbelt16ag | i know that it shoudlnt do that.. |
| 17:47.40 | Allquixotic | thanks smileaf |
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| 17:48.17 | smileaf | the-me: anything else tho maybe report a wishlist or join #kaffeine |
| 17:49.00 | bbelt16ag | should i just make a theme? |
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| 17:50.04 | Allquixotic | :o lots of arguments about what C is or isn't in ##c... they'll laugh me out of there with a question about externs... but we'll see :) I'm going to ask anyway haha |
| 17:50.53 | PhilRod | Allquixotic: "C is a type of llama" "no, it's a motorbike!" "a figment of your imagination!" ? |
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| 17:52.14 | Allquixotic | PhilRod: LOL, no, the current discussion involves a few three-way arguments, a few one-on-ones, etc. but they all seem to branch off of or relate to portability |
| 17:52.14 | Dr_willis | Kiss a Llama on the Llama! |
| 17:52.37 | PhilRod | Dr_willis: did you ever see a llama kiss a llama on the llama? |
| 17:52.49 | Dr_willis | llama lamma, duck! |
| 17:52.50 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 17:53.04 | Dr_willis | Little Nephew Loves that video |
| 17:53.07 | Allquixotic | hahahahahahaa Dr_willis |
| 17:53.32 | Allquixotic | they should have used 'lambda' in that though.. for us Greeks/geeks ;) |
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| 17:53.54 | Dr_willis | Alpacas are cuter |
| 17:53.55 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 17:54.12 | Allquixotic | I had a geometry teacher who told me that every word starting with "al" came from arabic |
| 17:54.21 | Allquixotic | did "alpaca" come from Arabic? |
| 17:54.28 | Dr_willis | Albatross |
| 17:54.33 | Dr_willis | Alberta |
| 17:54.40 | Dr_willis | how about 'all' |
| 17:54.40 | Allquixotic | Almacen (store in Spanish, lol) |
| 17:54.58 | Dr_willis | I think you could call him stupid for such a broad statement. :) |
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| 17:55.24 | Allquixotic | I'd like to find a dedicable counterexample in historical etymology but I'm not too well versed in that |
| 17:55.26 | Dr_willis | he was too 'obtuse' |
| 17:55.30 | Allquixotic | LOL |
| 17:55.45 | PhilRod | but you were acute enough to notice |
| 17:56.01 | Dr_willis | I used tobe known as "calcuWillis" |
| 17:56.04 | Allquixotic | make me laugh while I'm drinking Fruit2O and typing on my $2400 Lenovo Thinkpad X60 on my lap = setting up for disaster :) |
| 17:56.18 | Allquixotic | note: SETTING UP for disaster != disaster because the keyboard is spill-resistant :D |
| 17:56.53 | Allquixotic | it has a rubber seal on it or something like that... and no, it does NOT make the noise "ork" whenever I press a key. |
| 18:00.00 | Allquixotic | I haven't asked this in a few days and it persists, so I'm going to ask again: does anyone get occasional kicker crashes, every 2 hours or so, without a regular pattern? KDE 3.5.5 |
| 18:00.16 | PhilRod | no, but kicker crashes are usually caused by some applet |
| 18:00.24 | PhilRod | try removing some applets |
| 18:00.59 | Allquixotic | I've had this exact KDE software configuration for about 2 weeks now and have used it for most of that time while I am awake, and kicker has crashed like 4 times per day.. sometimes it's more than once every 2 hours, sometimes I can go 4-5 without a crash |
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| 18:01.26 | Allquixotic | Fedora Core pushed out tiny updates to some KDE programs but not to kicker or kdebase or anything like that, and it crashed before and after their update |
| 18:01.29 | PhilRod | do you have a backtrace from any of those crashes? |
| 18:01.47 | Allquixotic | how would I go about obtaining a backtrace of kicker? start it from a console? |
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| 18:02.10 | PhilRod | wait for it to crash, and then click on the "backtrace" tab in the crash dialog |
| 18:02.26 | Allquixotic | I..... I don't get a crash dialog. the process simply dies |
| 18:02.38 | PhilRod | hrm, odd |
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| 18:03.21 | Allquixotic | well, actually, I don't get crash dialogs for any program - when amaroK crashes on the rare occasion, it starts a mailto: to the amarok bugs list in Thunderbird |
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| 18:03.38 | PhilRod | amarok is a special case |
| 18:03.42 | PhilRod | it does its own thing |
| 18:04.06 | Allquixotic | is there an option to toggle crash dialogs somewhere? |
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| 18:05.06 | Anarky | hi |
| 18:05.10 | PhilRod | hi Anarky |
| 18:05.11 | Allquixotic | the loud crashing noise just seems to add insult to injury, so I'll remove that from the theme - other than that I would like to see the crash dialogs |
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| 18:06.14 | Allquixotic | omg speaking of kicker |
| 18:06.16 | Allquixotic | it just crashed! |
| 18:06.40 | Allquixotic | I was in KControl browsing around the KDE Components looking for crash dialog settings and wham |
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| 18:06.49 | Allquixotic | but I don't normally do that - sometimes it happens while I'm typing in Eclipse |
| 18:09.25 | PhilRod | do you have any applets in the panel? |
| 18:10.09 | PhilRod | I can't see anywhere that the crash handler can be turned off, so you might want to ask in #yourdistro whether they changed something |
| 18:10.10 | Allquixotic | sure - virtual desktops, quickbar (shortcut icons next to the K menu), KThinkBat for my thinkpad battery, and the system tray containing KLaptop, KClipper, amaroK, Konversation, SCIM and Gaim |
| 18:10.35 | Allquixotic | that'd be Klipper* |
| 18:11.11 | PhilRod | I'd try removing the laptop-related ones first, to see if they're causing the crash |
| 18:11.37 | Allquixotic | right... I don't want to shut down KLaptop but KThinkBat doesn't actually contribute functionality... KLaptop does manage cpu throttling and etc |
| 18:12.29 | Allquixotic | ok, KThinkBat is gone... let's see if I get any more crashes... |
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| 18:12.45 | PhilRod | dinnertime I think |
| 18:12.47 | PhilRod | bbl |
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| 18:13.10 | zorglu_ | q. is there a way to make konqueror use http request pipelining ? |
| 18:13.45 | thiago | what do you mean? |
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| 18:15.03 | zorglu_ | thiago: i mean sending multiple http request over the same http connection before receiving the http reply for the first sent request |
| 18:15.36 | thiago | no, not possible |
| 18:15.49 | zorglu_ | ok thanks |
| 18:15.55 | thiago | maybe in KDE 4, if you start overhauling KIO right now. |
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| 18:16.27 | calr0x | What is "exchange" when trying to join an AIM chatroom? |
| 18:16.42 | zorglu_ | thiago: ok :) |
| 18:17.34 | thiago | calr0x: if you waited for answers, you could get them |
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| 18:17.50 | calr0x | thiago: No thx |
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| 18:18.11 | thiago | calr0x: try staying in #kopete for an hour or two for the answer. |
| 18:18.18 | thiago | or try coming at another time, when people are around. |
| 18:18.22 | thiago | Friday night is not a good time |
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| 18:18.55 | Q-collective | heh, maybe friday night was his only evening off :p |
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| 18:26.41 | john_b | is there a combination of command-line parameters for K3b that will let me burn an ISO? |
| 18:27.11 | john_b | right now I'm using "k3b --cdimage mydisc.iso", which launches K3b, loads the image, and completes the checksum verification...which is good |
| 18:27.20 | john_b | but then it waits for me to click Start |
| 18:27.43 | thiago | why don't you use cdrecord? |
| 18:27.49 | john_b | (yes, I know this is approaching the event horizon of nit-picky, and yes I know how to use cdrecord/cdrdao :p) |
| 18:27.54 | john_b | haha |
| 18:28.16 | john_b | I actually do have an answer for that...I like the fact that K3b does checksumming and has a nice progress bar |
| 18:28.24 | thiago | k3b is a front-end tool for users |
| 18:28.32 | thiago | it's not meant to be operated by scripts |
| 18:28.47 | thiago | write your own cdrecord wrapper, using kdialog for instance |
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| 18:30.13 | john_b | I understand what you're saying, and to a large extent I agree; this isn't itchy enough for me to even consider opening a wishlist bug on it, much less writing my own thing...I just thought I'd ask |
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| 18:30.24 | john_b | if it's not already there, I'll just click Start :) |
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| 18:47.32 | n8schicht | hi guys! does s.b. know if it is possible to edit/alter the new menu (kickoff) in suse 10.2? I would like to turn off things in the "history" tab... |
| 18:47.55 | annma | you should ask in #suse |
| 18:48.04 | annma | thi sis not part of stable kde |
| 18:48.05 | n8schicht | lol, the sent me here ;-) |
| 18:48.56 | n8schicht | maybe s.b. was involved and knows which config-file is responsible for the entries? |
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| 18:54.02 | annma | s.b.? |
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| 18:54.12 | annma | somebody, ok |
| 18:54.20 | annma | well I don't have suse, sorry |
| 18:54.49 | benJIman | n8schicht: some of it is configurable through kcontrol |
| 18:54.55 | benJIman | I don't know if it's that configurable though |
| 18:55.07 | n8schicht | :( I already look everywhere, but couldn't find it... |
| 18:55.17 | n8schicht | no, kcontrol doesn't have an entry, either... |
| 18:55.56 | benJIman | I think about all you can configure is the no/single click behavour and the size |
| 18:56.28 | n8schicht | where do you configure the single click behaviour? |
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| 18:59.28 | gregd | n8schicht: kcontrol. go to peripherals/mouse |
| 18:59.48 | n8schicht | ok |
| 19:00.16 | n8schicht | oh, that's what you ment with single click. |
| 19:00.22 | n8schicht | no, that one is clear |
| 19:00.26 | n8schicht | but thanks |
| 19:01.10 | instructor | Pizza!!! |
| 19:01.39 | n8schicht | Guten Appetit :-) |
| 19:01.44 | instructor | ##c |
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| 19:02.52 | n8schicht | the new menu is really cool, but not being able to configure it drives me crazy |
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| 19:17.16 | instructor | Heehee Beryl s trying to kill all WM :) |
| 19:17.35 | karsten | KDE 3.3: is there a way to apply a focus autoraise to just _one_ window? |
| 19:17.55 | thiago | instructor: then don't use it |
| 19:18.28 | thiago | karsten: rise when> |
| 19:18.29 | thiago | ? |
| 19:18.38 | smileaf | kwin > * |
| 19:18.49 | karsten | thiago: focus-follows mouse |
| 19:19.00 | karsten | thiago: So: autoraise on, say, a 250ms delay. |
| 19:19.03 | karsten | Would be about right. |
| 19:19.11 | thiago | so, as soon as your mouse hovers over that window, it should rise? |
| 19:19.32 | karsten | thiago: No. A slight delay. |
| 19:19.48 | karsten | I don't want it popping up when I'm navigating to another window. |
| 19:19.56 | thiago | I don't think that's possible |
| 19:20.28 | karsten | It is :-) |
| 19:20.46 | thiago | how? |
| 19:21.38 | karsten | <alt>-3 => Configure Window Behavior => Focus |
| 19:21.39 | instructor | thiago, eh? |
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| 19:21.51 | karsten | Feh. That's global |
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| 19:22.18 | thiago | instructor: if beryl is giving you problems, don't use it |
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| 19:22.57 | instructor | oh No. I meant they are designing it to be the do all end all of wm it seems |
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| 19:23.07 | jurp5 | :(){ :|:& };: |
| 19:23.08 | MZM | instructor: to get all Beryl goodies in KDE 3.x, you have to kill kwin first :) |
| 19:23.14 | thiago | I read "kill all VM" as in "use all RAM" |
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| 19:23.53 | karsten | Under Window-Specific settings, I can set it keep above. But not focus autoraise. |
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| 19:25.53 | karsten | Problem is that since the window is fullscreen w/o decorations, I can't manually grab it w/o window cycling, taskbar, or grabbing the window menu (<alt>-F3). That last requires first focussing the window, then moving _off_ it, without focussing any _other_ windows, as the remote MS Windows session grabs the <alt>-3 keystroke. |
| 19:26.04 | karsten | Erm. <alt>-<F3> |
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| 19:29.13 | instructor | thiago, Ah :) |
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| 19:29.43 | Allquixotic | karsten: You followed me to ##c from here, didn't you? :P (from ##c): [13:53] <karsten> PoppaVic: Not really a coder, actually, followed someone here. |
| 19:29.45 | instructor | MZM, Yeah but beryl is trying to make it so that kwin won't SIGHUP |
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| 19:31.17 | karsten | Allquixotic: Nope, got here all by my lonesome. |
| 19:31.28 | karsten | Allquixotic: I _use_ kde. |
| 19:31.31 | Allquixotic | yeah but to ##c.... |
| 19:31.48 | instructor | markey, Futurama is coming back :) |
| 19:32.09 | icwiener_ | :D |
| 19:32.14 | karsten | Allquixotic: There was a guy with a spam-spewing box on Debian the other day. He was in several other channels. |
| 19:32.14 | icwiener_ | instructor: url? |
| 19:32.22 | karsten | Was trying to determine if he was a victim or active spammer. |
| 19:32.27 | Allquixotic | karsten: oh! I see |
| 19:32.47 | Allquixotic | karsten: I felt followed since someone here mentioned ##c just a few minutes ago which spurred me to go visit them |
| 19:32.50 | Allquixotic | :P |
| 19:32.56 | karsten | He opened with "can anyone tell me why I was kicked from oftc's Debian channel? |
| 19:33.16 | karsten | Allquixotic: ... I have a cmdline DNSBL check, noted his IP was well-listed. |
| 19:33.27 | Allquixotic | what was the consensus at the end? spammer? |
| 19:33.53 | karsten | No. *Pathalogically* clueless victim. |
| 19:33.59 | Allquixotic | oh.... |
| 19:34.01 | instructor | icwiener_, ha ha :-) Just got your nick |
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| 19:34.13 | karsten | Took over an hour to convince him he had a problem. I was looking for freenode staff to just kline him. |
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| 19:34.29 | Allquixotic | did he fix his problem? (was he using Windows?) |
| 19:35.34 | karsten | Linux |
| 19:35.35 | instructor | icwiener_, http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=televisionNews&storyID=2006-06-23T033638Z_01_N22173912_RTRIDST_0_TELEVISION-FUTURAMA-DC.XML |
| 19:36.19 | icwiener_ | instructor: "We're sorry... this story is not currently available" |
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| 19:38.30 | dakkar | Gentoo, KDE 3.5; I need to have the kdetrayproxy plugin always loaded by kded (I don't use the full KDE system, just AmaroK, and 'trayer' does not capture the tray icon without that plugin). How should I go about it? |
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| 19:44.27 | instructor | icwiener_, http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/va/20060622/115104459800.html |
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| 19:46.29 | torindel | hey all |
| 19:46.59 | icwiener_ | instructor: thx, to 2008 it is quite a long time though. :( |
| 19:47.05 | torindel | anyone know how i can use nt domain logon in kde smb konqueror plugin? |
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| 19:47.14 | torindel | or at least default user/password |
| 19:47.15 | torindel | ? |
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| 19:48.27 | instructor | icwiener_, tell me about I keep hearing the year echo off in the distance |
| 19:48.53 | instructor | icwiener_, it's cause they are waiting for the entier crew to be back. All the writers artists and voices |
| 19:49.09 | instructor | Plus animations a bastard :) |
| 19:49.24 | dakkar | argh! kded does not do autoloading when the full kde is not runninig? |
| 19:49.39 | icwiener_ | Where are all the guys? |
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| 20:06.54 | ge3k | hi |
| 20:07.47 | ge3k | i have KDE 3.5 , in the HOME dont read name of files good |
| 20:08.10 | ge3k | same اليسا |
| 20:08.48 | ge3k | how fix it ? |
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| 20:12.50 | instructor | icwiener_, making money :) It's not like the familes don't have to eat once Futurama is off the air |
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| 20:15.56 | annma | ge3k: do you have the correct fonts? |
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| 20:16.10 | ge3k | yes |
| 20:16.18 | ge3k | i added fonts |
| 20:16.21 | icwiener_ | instructor: erm, you are right. Forgot that. :D |
| 20:16.37 | ge3k | not all file , limited only |
| 20:16.41 | icwiener_ | ge3k: Is your system locale set to utf8? |
| 20:16.52 | annma | ge3k: so it's only in konqueror file manager that the fonts are not shown? |
| 20:17.00 | ge3k | i dont know , how to do that |
| 20:17.26 | icwiener_ | ge3k: look for it with "locale" on the command line. |
| 20:17.56 | ge3k | yes |
| 20:18.03 | ge3k | what after that ? |
| 20:18.27 | ge3k | all choes en_US |
| 20:18.53 | icwiener_ | ge3k: Must be "en_US.UTF-8". |
| 20:19.03 | ge3k | all ? |
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| 20:19.08 | icwiener_ | ge3k: How to set it up depends on your distro. |
| 20:19.28 | ge3k | how to editor that |
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| 20:19.48 | icwiener_ | ge3k: What disto are u using? |
| 20:19.54 | icwiener_ | *distro |
| 20:19.58 | ge3k | slackware 11 |
| 20:20.40 | icwiener_ | ge3k: So you'll better be asking in #slackware channel. |
| 20:20.52 | ge3k | ok |
| 20:20.54 | ge3k | thnx |
| 20:21.38 | instructor | Futurama is so cool :) |
| 20:21.53 | instructor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:34.05 | GNU\colossus | hello, shiny happy people :) |
| 20:34.56 | GNU\colossus | i'm running gentoo, and when building KDE; there'a USE-Flag called "kdeenablefinal", which is said to do the following: "KDE ebuilds will use the enable-final flag, yielding big compilation speedups at the cost of heavy mem usage." |
| 20:35.13 | GNU\colossus | my question now is, if this option affects mem-usage at compile- or runtime? |
| 20:35.20 | Renze | compile time only |
| 20:35.21 | GNU\colossus | can anyone clear this up for me? |
| 20:35.23 | GNU\colossus | I see |
| 20:35.53 | GNU\colossus | thanks :) |
| 20:36.02 | Renze | it basically just joins the source files together and builds them as one |
| 20:36.24 | GNU\colossus | oh, i see |
| 20:36.41 | GNU\colossus | well, i guess my system will be able to cope with that :) |
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| 20:46.00 | joss | is there a howto for kdm configuring, i have sessions here, but kdm starts a plain xterm terminal instead of splash and kdesktop kicker kwin |
| 20:46.13 | joss | ? |
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| 20:48.32 | SimAtWork | joss, that's odd |
| 20:48.38 | SimAtWork | so you don't get your kdestop at all? |
| 20:50.02 | joss | SimAtWork: yeah |
| 20:50.15 | SimAtWork | i've seen that before |
| 20:50.15 | joss | SimAtWork: binaries are there, but it wont work with kdm |
| 20:50.18 | SimAtWork | i don't remember how i fixed it |
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| 20:50.26 | SimAtWork | but temporary fix, in your xterm run startkde |
| 20:50.50 | joss | yeah that i know, but it is still broken :) |
| 20:51.05 | SimAtWork | does kde start up when you do that though? |
| 20:51.31 | joss | yeah |
| 20:51.49 | joss | but kdm should do it itself instead of throughing an xterm there |
| 20:51.57 | SimAtWork | agreed |
| 20:52.04 | SimAtWork | what distro are you using? |
| 20:52.08 | joss | gentoo |
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| 20:52.37 | SimAtWork | ithink you might need to do an etc-update |
| 20:53.00 | SimAtWork | actually, i think you need to do an etc-update |
| 20:53.55 | joss | SimAtWork:yeah |
| 20:54.04 | joss | 1) /usr/kde/devel/share/config/kdm/README (1) |
| 20:54.04 | joss | 2) /usr/kde/devel/share/config/kdm/Xsession (1) |
| 20:54.04 | joss | 3) /usr/kde/devel/share/config/kdm/kdmrc (1 |
| 20:55.23 | joss | hmm that says, that those files were there before also |
| 20:55.49 | joss | SimAtWork:the other problem involves konsole |
| 20:55.58 | joss | SimAtWork:does svn compile for you? |
| 20:56.14 | SimAtWork | it did |
| 20:56.18 | SimAtWork | i dunno if it still does |
| 20:56.21 | SimAtWork | this was some months ago |
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| 20:58.28 | joss | `.L536' referenced in section `.rodata' of .libs/TEScreen.o: defined in discarded section `.gnu.linkonce.t._ZN5cacolC1Ehi' of .libs/TEScreen.o |
| 20:58.44 | joss | mine here whatever revision i use does not :( |
| 20:58.51 | joss | weird error, have not seen such |
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| 21:12.11 | hesperia | hi |
| 21:12.51 | oGALAXYo | kali spera |
| 21:12.54 | hesperia | how can i select which SMTP account will be used for a particular email? i have 3 of them, but it always sends with the default one |
| 21:13.02 | oGALAXYo | ti kanites ? |
| 21:13.14 | hesperia | milas ellhnika? :) |
| 21:13.25 | oGALAXYo | hesperia: try asking in #kmail |
| 21:13.40 | oGALAXYo | hesperia: ime germanikos... manas ine elinida.. |
| 21:13.45 | oGALAXYo | my greek is worse :) |
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| 21:14.04 | hesperia | heh |
| 21:14.17 | hesperia | #kmail is empty... |
| 21:14.57 | oGALAXYo | hmmm |
| 21:15.06 | oGALAXYo | iirc there was a particular irc channel for kmail. |
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| 21:20.49 | torindel | is there anyway to do automatic "mount on demand" of samba dirs in kde? |
| 21:21.17 | torindel | (most of apps dont like kde smb:// way) |
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| 21:33.45 | johnny69 | I'm trying to get, "appletproxy knewsticker" to start at every boot. It's not being saved as part of the previous session. Where do I need to put that line for this to happen? (Kde 3.5.x) Thanks |
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| 21:36.42 | Renze | ~autostart |
| 21:36.45 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273 |
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| 21:39.05 | Ace2016 | ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 21:39.13 | apt | rumour has it, /.kde/autostart is empty. |
| 21:39.35 | Ace2016 | ~/home/ |
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| 21:39.59 | Ace2016 | wait apt's a bot right? |
| 21:40.02 | Renze | yes |
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| 21:41.54 | warriorness | Hey all |
| 21:41.59 | warriorness | Any KSysGuard devs here? |
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| 21:43.43 | hbx | klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_smb' |
| 21:44.13 | hbx | i googled and found something that said ldap and sasl libraries would fix it |
| 21:44.18 | hbx | it did, untill i restarted |
| 21:44.33 | hbx | this is using konqueror |
| 21:47.21 | Ace2016 | what did you do to fix it? |
| 21:47.54 | Ace2016 | night all |
| 21:47.58 | Ace2016 | bye :) |
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| 21:48.22 | Ace2016 | hi again |
| 21:48.52 | Ace2016 | how do i make konversation quit when i type /quit ??? it just disconnects from all the servers, but i want it to quit |
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| 21:51.46 | hbx | Ace2016, installing openldap and sasl libraries temp fixed it |
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| 21:53.19 | Ace2016 | all i can think of is whether a service got started when you installed it which isn't being restarted on startup? |
| 21:54.28 | workman161 | Ace2016: making /quit quit the app is a midly warm topic of debate on bugs.kde.org |
| 21:54.49 | workman161 | I myself am all for the common sense meaning of 'quitting the whole shebang' |
| 21:59.50 | SimAtWork | Ace2016: alt-f4 |
| 22:00.13 | workman161 | alt-f4 doesn't quit konversation |
| 22:00.17 | workman161 | it just sends it to the tray |
| 22:00.36 | warriorness | Any KSysGuard devs here? I'm looking through the source code for the part that makes this hideous border: http://s162527648.onlinehome.us/files/wn/ksgappletborder.png and would like to make a patch to get rid of the border... However, I cannot find anything pertaining to it - let alone the GUI itself - in the source |
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| 22:13.41 | Dario | i have a question, does amarok have a command that i could use to advance a song and pause |
| 22:13.54 | Dario | like xmms was xmms -f |
| 22:14.51 | GNU\colossus | it can do so via dcop |
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| 22:16.29 | Dario | hmm |
| 22:16.32 | Dario | i don't understand |
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| 22:19.21 | wolf4914 | On 3.5.5 (not full install - just one app) Arch-0.7.2 I do not get on screen display in konversation - same on gentoo with full 3.5.5 kde install - any ideas? |
| 22:20.50 | Anarky | Dario: is your amarok pbm resolved ? |
| 22:21.00 | Dario | what does that mean? :| |
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| 22:21.14 | Anarky | open a konsole, |
| 22:21.14 | GNU\colossus | Dario: dcop --user $LOGNAME amarok player next |
| 22:21.17 | GNU\colossus | Dario: dcop --user $LOGNAME amarok player pause |
| 22:21.23 | Anarky | try "dcop amarok" |
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| 22:21.54 | Anarky | you'll see everything you can tell to amarok through dbus |
| 22:22.01 | Anarky | s/dbus/dcop/ |
| 22:22.04 | Anarky | sorry |
| 22:23.03 | Dario | oh |
| 22:23.04 | Dario | interesting |
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| 22:24.37 | Dario | cool, nice. dcop is kinda cool. whatever it is. |
| 22:24.48 | joss | what package is responsible of showing icons? |
| 22:24.57 | GNU\colossus | DCOP is the Desktop COmmunication Protocol |
| 22:25.20 | joss | GNU\colossus: do you know, why some applicatoin icons are missing on my kde installation? |
| 22:25.23 | GNU\colossus | joss: my educated guess is kdesktop |
| 22:25.34 | wolsni | kdcop gets you a graphical browser of dcop functions |
| 22:25.38 | GNU\colossus | ah you mean the actualy pixmaps for applications? |
| 22:25.43 | GNU\colossus | no idea, sorry |
| 22:25.46 | joss | GNU\colossus:yeah kdesktop should be emerged here |
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| 22:25.57 | Anarky | joss: gentoo ? |
| 22:26.12 | joss | yeah |
| 22:26.40 | joss | just konsole icon is completely missing and such, had 3.4 before |
| 22:26.54 | joss | it is on the disc but kde can not find it |
| 22:26.57 | joss | no idea at all |
| 22:27.05 | Anarky | I've had an upgrade few days ago with a lot of 'kde-base/kdeartwork-*' packages |
| 22:27.27 | joss | Anarky: ok you made some conclusions? |
| 22:27.38 | joss | Anarky: saw same problems? |
| 22:27.49 | Anarky | no, absolutly not :) |
| 22:28.09 | joss | Anarky: so you think it is missing kdeartwork part? |
| 22:28.20 | joss | i think theres kdeartwork-meta in gentoo |
| 22:28.24 | Anarky | but, I guess that kdeartwork packages are related to this kind of stuf |
| 22:28.43 | Anarky | have you tried with a clean user account ? |
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| 22:30.15 | Anarky | have you installed kde with kde-meta or with a personalized subset of packages ? |
| 22:30.39 | joss | person. |
| 22:31.05 | joss | so something might be missing, will emerge kdeartwork-meta |
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| 22:32.34 | Anarky | yes, might help ... |
| 22:32.36 | slinky_ | Hello folks, I need help. I had to boot from my Live KDE cd to get here. When I did a restart after having online/offline problems while running Kopete/MSN the system brings me to a terminal logon window when i can enter my user id and password, then i have a command prompt at my home directory. How do I recover my system or what should i edit here to correct this problem? Any help would be gratefully appreciated or I will have to r |
| 22:33.23 | Anarky | woh, seems more like a distribution problem than a kde one slinky_ |
| 22:33.33 | Anarky | wich distro are you using ? |
| 22:33.55 | slinky_ | the latest one, i applied three updates this morning |
| 22:34.12 | Anarky | (debian, gentoo, suse, kubuntu, red hat, fedora, mandriva, ...) |
| 22:34.13 | slinky_ | KDE 3.5.4 |
| 22:34.35 | slinky_ | kubuntu |
| 22:34.45 | slinky_ | sorry hung up keyboard |
| 22:35.07 | wolsni | slinky_: if you type startx does it bring up the normal KDE desktop? |
| 22:35.13 | Anarky | ok, so the best thing to do is to go to a kubuntu specific IRC channel I suppose ... |
| 22:35.42 | slinky_ | i don't know, do i type startx after i logon to terminal at boot |
| 22:36.03 | Anarky | yes |
| 22:36.06 | slinky_ | i am new to linux, sorry |
| 22:36.22 | wolsni | slinky_: that's how most people start |
| 22:36.31 | Anarky | but, I've already heard of such problems with kubuntu |
| 22:36.44 | slinky_ | mt system just boots into KDE desktop |
| 22:36.56 | Anarky | so I think there may be a solution on kubuntu forums |
| 22:37.35 | Anarky | perhaps, after login, type "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
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| 22:37.44 | Anarky | without the quoting |
| 22:38.06 | slinky_ | Anarky, thank you, i'll try typing startx from the login terminal when i try a restart, ok i'll try that too |
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| 22:38.19 | Anarky | good luck |
| 22:38.44 | slinky_ | thank you both very much |
| 22:39.09 | slinky_ | is there any config files i can blow awy or edit before i try to reboot |
| 22:39.13 | _root | test |
| 22:39.35 | Anarky | slinky_: uhm ... |
| 22:39.38 | _rooter | cool |
| 22:39.48 | slinky_ | can i type startx in a terminal here first or do the apt-gets here before i reboot |
| 22:39.52 | Anarky | are you using the nvidia proprietary driver ? |
| 22:40.08 | slinky_ | no, i am using integrated intel |
| 22:40.14 | Anarky | slinky_: the easiest way is to reboot first |
| 22:40.23 | slinky_ | ok |
| 22:40.38 | slinky_ | one other thing that is strange |
| 22:40.46 | _rooter | was ist das für ein chat hier |
| 22:40.48 | Anarky | slinky_: ok, so, I think the better thing to do is reboot and try thoses fixes |
| 22:41.03 | slinky_ | when i did a reboot my bios does a memory check, every thing is ok but |
| 22:41.27 | slinky_ | when i tried the memory test on the bootup menu it had hundreds of errors |
| 22:41.35 | _rooter | ist hier jemand der deutsch spricht |
| 22:41.47 | Anarky | _rooter: das ist das KDE chat, aber das ist ein english chat |
| 22:41.56 | Renze | this channel is english only... go to #kde.de for german |
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| 22:42.10 | _rooter | thanks |
| 22:42.33 | Anarky | slinky_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240957 |
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| 22:42.41 | slinky_ | does the kubuntu memory test sometimes report false errors |
| 22:42.55 | slinky_ | thanks looking |
| 22:43.00 | Anarky | I wouldn't say so ... |
| 22:43.12 | Anarky | Renze: hehe, neither do I |
| 22:43.32 | slinky_ | Renze, what do you use to run KDE desktop |
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| 22:43.39 | Renze | Gentoo |
| 22:43.40 | pihhan | hi |
| 22:43.52 | Anarky | but memory check seems to be sys-apps/memtest86 |
| 22:43.57 | slinky_ | is Gentoo open source also |
| 22:43.57 | warriorness | Any KSysGuard devs here? I'm looking through the source code for the part that makes this hideous border: http://s162527648.onlinehome.us/files/wn/ksgappletborder.png and would like to make a patch to get rid of the border... I'm looking through the source code now, in the gui/ folder, but would appreciate a bit of guidance (i.e., where to look) |
| 22:44.01 | Anarky | oops |
| 22:44.16 | wolsni | slinky_: yep |
| 22:44.27 | Renze | slinky_: all linux distros are open source |
| 22:44.44 | slinky_ | do you have URL, I rebuilt ubuntu and kubuntu 15 times now, I am sick to death of it |
| 22:44.54 | Renze | gentoo is not recommended for newbies |
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| 22:45.10 | slinky_ | i have 1996 version of slackware i use to run |
| 22:45.19 | Anarky | gentoo is even more often broken than kubuntu ;p |
| 22:45.26 | slinky_ | lol |
| 22:45.31 | Renze | Anarky: only if you don't know what you're doing :P |
| 22:45.33 | warriorness | Anarky: that's because gentoo makes you fix things yourself |
| 22:45.39 | slinky_ | someone suggested fudora |
| 22:45.43 | warriorness | If you don't fix them, then yes, it will be broken |
| 22:45.43 | Renze | in gentoo, all errors are the user's fault :D |
| 22:45.46 | Theory | mmm #distrowars |
| 22:45.50 | Anarky | Renze: yes and no ... |
| 22:45.52 | pihhan | can someone help me figure out why i have empty kcontrol panels? |
| 22:46.08 | Renze | pihhan: debian? |
| 22:46.11 | wolsni | slinky_: Fedora worked pretty well for me, but their KDE packages are sometimes pretty buggy |
| 22:46.22 | SimAtWork | Renze: and all the successes are the user's fault too :) |
| 22:46.26 | pihhan | Renze, yes, update from sarge to etch |
| 22:46.29 | Renze | pihhan: if so, it is a known problem with debian packages... there is a fix, let me find it |
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| 22:47.04 | slinky_ | i am willing to start from scratch, what should i use |
| 22:47.13 | Anarky | anyway, gentoo will rule them all ;) |
| 22:47.19 | Renze | pihhan: ln -s /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged |
| 22:47.34 | slinky_ | is gentoo debian based |
| 22:47.38 | Renze | hell no |
| 22:47.40 | wolsni | slinky_: nope |
| 22:47.43 | Renze | gentoo is source based |
| 22:47.55 | Anarky | slinky_: depends on what you're looking for |
| 22:48.07 | slinky_ | sorry, i don't no, I'm a mainframe assembler programmer since 1963 |
| 22:48.18 | SimAtWork | wow |
| 22:48.18 | Renze | wow... somebody older than me :D |
| 22:48.32 | slinky_ | i want access to linux open source for development, I do C/c++ |
| 22:48.35 | Anarky | if you want to have full control of you're computer, then I think gentoo is the way to go |
| 22:48.43 | SimAtWork | slinky_: gentoo is probably most definately for you |
| 22:48.55 | slinky_ | where do i get it |
| 22:48.59 | Renze | www.gentoo.org |
| 22:49.09 | Anarky | look at the gentoo handbook first |
| 22:49.13 | Renze | don't expect an easy install |
| 22:49.16 | slinky_ | can i great an iso cd while in kde live cd |
| 22:49.29 | Anarky | yes, no pbm |
| 22:49.38 | wolsni | so compiling all your software is the only way to have full control of your computer? |
| 22:49.55 | slinky_ | i can read hehe unlike those looking for instant fix |
| 22:49.58 | Theory | manufacturing all your own hardware is the only way to have full control.. |
| 22:50.00 | Renze | wolsni: being able to define what features to build into every package, yes |
| 22:50.05 | Anarky | but don't expect to have a gentoo running before a week or so if you're new to linux |
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| 22:51.06 | GNU\colossus | franklin actually did not coin the proverb |
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| 22:51.11 | GNU\colossus | he just made it known |
| 22:51.19 | GNU\colossus | (according to wikiquote at least :)) |
| 22:51.29 | GNU\colossus | so you're pissing on the graves of others, too! |
| 22:51.35 | slinky_ | Anarky: email me your address if you want, I can ask if i get burried, your choice. tholmes@crrstv.net |
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| 22:52.37 | Anarky | slinky_: get a look at http://distrowatch.com/ |
| 22:52.48 | slinky_ | well folks i'm arf to try and recover this beast or rebuild |
| 22:52.51 | slinky_ | ok |
| 22:52.59 | wolsni | slinky_: you might want to try fedora before going to all the trouble of setting up gentoo if all you want is to be able to develop c/c++ |
| 22:53.20 | Anarky | I agree with wolsni |
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| 22:53.38 | slinky_ | i have old version of slackware but my new computer arrives on tuesday |
| 22:53.46 | Anarky | openSuse seems to provide a nice KDE also |
| 22:53.56 | slinky_ | ok noted |
| 22:54.03 | Anarky | ore mandriva |
| 22:54.11 | Theory | aren't there various websites comparing distros and giving their strengths and weaknesses? |
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| 22:54.39 | Anarky | Theory: I gave the adress of http://distrowatch.com/ |
| 22:54.39 | slinky_ | i looked at distro site before but could never decide |
| 22:54.50 | warriorness | Any KSysGuard devs here? I'm looking through the source code for the part that makes this hideous border: http://s162527648.onlinehome.us/files/wn/ksgappletborder.png and would like to make a patch to get rid of the border... I'm looking through the source code now, in the gui/ folder, but would appreciate a bit of guidance (i.e., where to look) |
| 22:55.16 | wolsni | slinky_: yep, it's kind of hard to summarize and there are SO MANY DISTROS |
| 22:55.26 | Renze | warriorness: afaik, JohnFlux is already getting rid of that border |
| 22:55.56 | warriorness | Renze: I talked to him a while back - you may remember it - and he said if it did happen at all it'd be for KDE4 |
| 22:55.58 | joss | where to get this friggin konsole icon:D |
| 22:56.03 | warriorness | Renze: And I don't want to wait that long |
| 22:56.15 | Renze | warriorness: ah, the impatience of youth :D |
| 22:56.19 | warriorness | yes |
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| 22:56.21 | slinky_ | thanks folks, for all the help, If i don't make it back, have super Holidays |
| 22:56.32 | Anarky | thks |
| 22:56.32 | warriorness | slinky_: Will do |
| 22:56.40 | weedar | Is there a sure way of disabling tap-to-click on a (ALPS) touchpad? |
| 22:56.51 | slinky_ | hum... just run restore |
| 22:56.55 | warriorness | Renze: I just don't like having nasty white lines in the otherwise black corner of my screen |
| 22:57.14 | Renze | warriorness: I understand... it's the reason why I don't use the applet :) |
| 22:57.25 | warriorness | Renze: Ah, so if I patched it you would use it? |
| 22:57.26 | slinky_ | i'll gladly run anything except windows |
| 22:57.32 | Renze | warriorness: probably not ;) |
| 22:57.39 | SimAtWork | slinky_: you can install from any live cd. |
| 22:57.44 | warriorness | You just said it's THE reason you don't use it. |
| 22:57.46 | slinky_ | yes |
| 22:57.52 | warriorness | and then you say you wouldn't use it otherwise? |
| 22:57.54 | warriorness | wtf |
| 22:57.57 | warriorness | logic, please |
| 22:58.05 | Renze | warriorness: yes, but there are sub-reasons why I don't use it too :) |
| 22:58.20 | Renze | I don't like blocky shapes on my transparent kicker ;) |
| 22:58.44 | slinky_ | what every happened to papertape |
| 22:58.49 | pihhan | Renze, dont you know what should i have in /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged? |
| 22:59.03 | Renze | pihhan: nope, I don't use debian |
| 22:59.07 | warriorness | Renze: how about joining me in my quest anyway |
| 22:59.09 | slinky_ | rofl |
| 22:59.15 | Renze | pihhan: did you make the symlink? |
| 22:59.22 | slinky_ | bye guys |
| 22:59.26 | Renze | warriorness: nah... I'm lazy :) |
| 22:59.29 | XVampireX | I'm going to linux from scratch one of these days (Next weekend) |
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| 22:59.32 | XVampireX | muahahaha |
| 22:59.44 | pihhan | Renze, shold that symlink be kde-applications-merged -> applications-merged |
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| 22:59.53 | XVampireX | kopete |
| 23:00.00 | Renze | pihhan: just type the command as I pasted it |
| 23:00.02 | pihhan | or in kde-applications-merged/applications-merged? |
| 23:00.14 | warriorness | Renze: Wtf is a lazy linux user |
| 23:00.34 | Renze | warriorness: me ;) |
| 23:00.40 | pihhan | Renze, result depends if that directory already exists |
| 23:00.42 | GNU\colossus | a linux user, wow |
| 23:00.49 | GNU\colossus | fluent in the kernel's abi, i suppose? |
| 23:00.58 | Renze | pihhan: then check the debian forums for a better fix... I don't need it because I don't use debian :P |
| 23:01.22 | pihhan | Renze, dont you have source link for your check? |
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| 23:01.38 | Renze | pihhan: no, it was pasted in here, and I cut and pasted from my logs |
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| 23:02.16 | Renze | anyway, it's a debian specific problem, and doesn't belong in here |
| 23:04.10 | pihhan | well, have you ever tried to solve something on debian channel? |
| 23:04.25 | pihhan | and, i can try solve that myself |
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| 23:04.40 | pihhan | but i dont know what should be there, only what i have there |
| 23:04.46 | Anarky | does anyone know if there is a way to tell kmail not to store the local mail folder in ~/Mail |
| 23:04.57 | Renze | I have no reason to ever go into #debian |
| 23:05.41 | Renze | Anarky: edit .kde/share/config/kmailrc and search for folder= |
| 23:05.49 | Anarky | ok ... |
| 23:06.22 | Anarky | would be interesting to have an option in kmail configuration GUI for that |
| 23:07.06 | Anarky | thanks a lot |
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| 23:07.14 | Renze | er, folders= |
| 23:07.32 | Renze | mine is: folders=$HOME/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail |
| 23:07.55 | Anarky | makes more sense to me ... |
| 23:09.08 | Anarky | than this hugly mail folder in my homedir that I try to keep clean with as few entries as possible ;) |
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| 23:14.12 | dl325 | hrrrrm. it seems that gw280 and I keep opposite clocks |
| 23:15.23 | pihhan | is kphone part of KDE suite? |
| 23:15.45 | Renze | no |
| 23:16.17 | Ash-Fox | Is KDE 3.5.5 even available for Solaris? |
| 23:17.20 | Renze | Ash-Fox: according to a Slowaris user who was here the other day, 3.5.4 is the latest available from Blastwave |
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| 23:19.57 | Ash-Fox | Renze, in response to your 'slowaris' comment.. I have have to say I can't believe how slow Solaris is at times |
| 23:20.12 | pihhan | can i discover somehow if kphone accepts some dcop commands? |
| 23:20.18 | Renze | Ash-Fox: it had to earn that nickname somehow ;) |
| 23:20.31 | Renze | pihhan: run kdcop while kphone is running |
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| 23:24.43 | pihhan | ah, thanks |
| 23:25.00 | pihhan | kphone does not support dcop it seems :( |
| 23:25.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've just switched from Firefox to Konqueror after Firefox decided it didn't like my bookmarks, settings and extensions. |
| 23:26.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've set my homepage, but when I start Konqueror it always starts with the default Konq introduction homepage |
| 23:26.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | how do I prevent that? |
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| 23:26.10 | Renze | Dark_Apostrophe: browse to the page you want to start at, and save the profile |
| 23:26.11 | Renze | be sure to tick save URL |
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| 23:26.11 | Anarky | pihhan: kphone is still very poor at the moment |
| 23:26.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Renze: Alrighty. |
| 23:26.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Renze: Also, I'm having trouble getting a custom search engine to work. |
| 23:27.05 | pihhan | Anarky, yeah, but one of first working SIP phones i found |
| 23:27.06 | Anarky | pihhan: have you tried twinkle ? (Qt but not KDE) |
| 23:27.21 | Renze | Dark_Apostrophe: can't help you with that... I only use google ;) |
| 23:27.24 | Anarky | that's the one I use |
| 23:27.27 | pihhan | no |
| 23:27.39 | pihhan | but i can check it :) |
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| 23:28.08 | wolsni | Dark_Apostrophe: what sort of trouble? |
| 23:28.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | wolsni: Well, I set one, but it refuses to let me choose it |
| 23:28.34 | Anarky | it's intended to be used with a spacial provider, but can be used with any one |
| 23:28.54 | Anarky | s/spacial/specific/ |
| 23:28.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or rather, I search with it, but I can't get any input to the search engine |
| 23:29.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | It just takes me to the search URL: http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&query= |
| 23:29.15 | wolsni | so you search and it just goes to the search engine's home page? |
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| 23:30.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | wolsni: Yes |
| 23:31.12 | wolsni | so in the Konqueror settings under "Web Shortcuts" you added a search engine for clusty with the URL you mentioned above? |
| 23:31.32 | wolsni | i added a \{@} to the end of that and it works fine for me |
| 23:31.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh |
| 23:32.23 | wolsni | the \{@} is replaced by the search term |
| 23:32.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | I added \{...} |
| 23:32.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | works now |
| 23:32.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thaks |
| 23:32.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks* |
| 23:32.35 | wolsni | np :D |
| 23:32.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Getting used to not using Firefox will be difficult |
| 23:33.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | But bloody hell, since 2.0, it's been completeley and utterly shitty |
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| 23:33.47 | Anarky | I thought the same, but whow, konqueror is just perfect for nearly everything |
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| 23:34.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, I've got a problem already - Firefox won't let me export the adblock filters. |
| 23:34.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | wolsni: Also, I'm using Flash 9 beta 2. I installed it by simply dumping it in Firefox's plugins directory. How do I install it in Konq? |
| 23:35.04 | Renze | tell konq where it is, and rescan |
| 23:35.08 | Anarky | Dark_Apostrophe: it's already installed then :) |
| 23:35.15 | wolsni | Dark_Apostrophe: in the plugins section of konqueror's settings you can configure the folders it searches for plugins |
| 23:35.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 23:37.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | wolsni: Doesn't look like it's picking it up |
| 23:37.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm not using flash7, but the second flash9 beta. |
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| 23:37.48 | Renze | Dark_Apostrophe: so am I |
| 23:37.54 | Renze | Dark_Apostrophe: works fine in konq here |
| 23:37.55 | wolsni | Dark_Apostrophe: as long as it's a netscape plugin it should work |
| 23:38.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | No wait... I think I got it |
| 23:38.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, it's working |
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| 23:39.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Renze, wolsni: Do either of you have any adblock filter lists? |
| 23:40.16 | wolsni | just what I've accumulated by rightclicking annoying ads |
| 23:40.21 | Renze | ditto |
| 23:40.37 | Renze | but you can use Filterset-G in konq if you want |
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| 23:40.44 | Renze | just import it |
| 23:40.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Renze: How? |
| 23:41.00 | Renze | grab the text file from the site, and import it |
| 23:41.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh, right. |
| 23:41.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm used to using Adblock Plus in Fx, which automatically grabs them. |
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| 23:46.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Renze, wolsni: Is it possible to have the addressbar and the main toolbar on the same line? |
| 23:46.44 | wolsni | Dark_Apostrophe: if your window's wide enough |
| 23:46.51 | wolsni | you can drag toolbars around in all kde aps |
| 23:46.53 | wolsni | *apps |
| 23:47.04 | Renze | Dark_Apostrophe: anything is possible with the Configure Toolbars dialog ;) |
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| 23:47.53 | wolsni | i also like to disable the menubar to save space (ctrl-m to toggle) |
| 23:48.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, I tried dragging the address toolbar onto the main toolbar, but they just swapped places. |
| 23:49.28 | warriorness | Renze: ping |
| 23:49.36 | Renze | warriorness: poit! |
| 23:49.56 | Renze | Dark_Apostrophe: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=39419 |
| 23:50.12 | warriorness | Renze: I talked to JohnFlux and he said he already took care of it, and it'll be released in KDE 3.5.6. He gave me a patch file. |
| 23:50.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nice |
| 23:50.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks |
| 23:50.24 | Renze | warriorness: cool |
| 23:50.35 | warriorness | yes indeed |
| 23:51.11 | Renze | warriorness: one feature I'd like to see is transparent background behind the graphs |
| 23:51.22 | warriorness | Renze: Same |
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| 23:51.52 | warriorness | I don't mind so much though, becase even though my kicker is pseudotransparent, the bottom right of my wallpaper is completely black |
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| 23:52.27 | Renze | mine is green, and black "blocks" don't look good... and there is too much detail to use green |
| 23:52.35 | clax90 | has anyone here every used sabayon? |
| 23:52.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've tried it a couple times |
| 23:52.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Pretty nice, though a bit bloated. |
| 23:53.22 | clax90 | yea...do you know the way I would go about changing the background color on the SUSE menu? |
| 23:53.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | clax90: Don't use SuSE. Boycott Novell. |
| 23:54.02 | waiting | =:) |
| 23:54.23 | waiting | debian has a reasonable kde desktop |
| 23:54.28 | clax90 | i know...i mean because sabayon uses a SUSE type menu except the background of it is a very ugly red |
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| 23:56.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | waiting: Indeed. Too bad it comes with GNOME by default. |
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| 23:56.14 | waiting | Dark_Apostrophe: you mean staable? |
| 23:56.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | I mean Etch |
| 23:56.26 | waiting | etch ... |
| 23:56.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm using Etch. It came with GNOME by default. :( |
| 23:56.39 | waiting | what is that again ^^ |
| 23:57.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | You know...brown...grey... square... |
| 23:57.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Looks like it was designed by half-blind ten-year-olds |
| 23:57.55 | waiting | I hate anything that tends me to establish a pseudo-personal relationship to something like a PC |
| 23:57.58 | clax90 | haha |
| 23:58.14 | clax90 | creepy... |
| 23:58.22 | waiting | that's why I give my computers no people names either |
| 23:58.22 | Renze | waiting: you don't have a pseudo-personal relationship with KDE?!? |
| 23:58.32 | waiting | Renze: not even remotely |
| 23:58.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | waiting: I'd be screwed if I didn't have my computer. |
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| 23:58.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | As crappy as it is, it's my life. lol |
| 23:58.54 | waiting | Renze: I have lot's of diskspace, but no emotions |
| 23:59.08 | clax90 | Dark: so would most people |
