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| 00:35.30 | unity | hi, does anyone know this: if i put a message into my outbox using "Send Later" and then another one some hours later and then a couple of more the next day, and then i send them out all at once, will they all have the same time on them? or will the reciever see that they were sent some time apart? |
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| 00:53.04 | Allquixotic | Hello |
| 00:53.06 | Allquixotic | Sho_ ? |
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| 01:12.43 | Allquixotic | Anyone here (besides an away Sho_) a Konversation developer? |
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| 01:14.01 | hollywoodb | Allquixotic: you could try #konversation |
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| 01:22.36 | Ace2016 | is there a way to find the least used apps on my system? |
| 01:23.10 | Ace2016 | i tend to install just about everything i can think of when i reinstall so now i want to get rid of some unused stuff |
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| 01:24.26 | smileaf | to my knowledge... no. I'd just go though the packages you would install and ask yourself, when was the last time I used this? if you can't remember.. you probably havn't for quite sometime. |
| 01:24.56 | Ace2016 | seems like a good idea, thanks |
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| 01:26.47 | karsten | Ace2016: Depends on your system. Debian includes popcon, which notes application accesses. atime should indicate when applications were last used. |
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| 01:27.12 | karsten | Ace2016: You can also play with sar (system accounting) for similar results. |
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| 01:30.54 | axa-axa | Hi. Is someone here working on Kate? |
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| 01:31.14 | axa-axa | #kate is dead |
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| 01:31.34 | smileaf | axa-axa: its always better to just ask the question.. if someone knows they'll answer. |
| 01:31.51 | axa-axa | So I'll repeat ti here: |
| 01:32.00 | axa-axa | I believe I've discovered an interesting bug. |
| 01:32.04 | axa-axa | I'm using Kate 2.5.5. with KDE 3.5.5 on Kubuntu Edgy Eft |
| 01:32.10 | axa-axa | When I open file and entere the following (on this address): http://rafb.net/paste/results/rbf3BQ11.html |
| 01:32.16 | axa-axa | When I enter last word "fin;" Kate blocks with over 90% CPU usage :) |
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| 01:33.15 | axa-axa | I dont want to go and register only to fill in bug report, so please if someone do it. |
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| 01:34.18 | smileaf | doesn't seem to do it here |
| 01:34.26 | smileaf | working great. |
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| 01:35.17 | smileaf | might check to see if its a kate plugin you have enabled? or distro specific? |
| 01:35.25 | axa-axa | Well I've checked it several times. |
| 01:35.39 | axa-axa | Try it with filename: tst9.cpp |
| 01:36.16 | smileaf | its good that you can reproduce it, I'm just saying to help eliminate possibilities. |
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| 01:38.13 | axa-axa | Would any other informations, besides versions, on my part be useful? |
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| 01:39.59 | smileaf | does it happen if your using something else that using the katepart such as kdevelop or kwrite? Have you tried disabling plugins and testing to see if it still occurs? |
| 01:40.24 | smileaf | Do other kubuntu users experience this? |
| 01:40.53 | smileaf | I'm giving you a few ideas as I have to leave. :/ |
| 01:41.32 | smileaf | it doesn't seem to occur here on my gentoo box. |
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| 01:42.03 | axa-axa | With differenet filename, it's the same. It block after ai hit enter after "fin;" |
| 01:42.11 | axa-axa | I'll try kwrite now... |
| 01:42.30 | axa-axa | Also, just to mention |
| 01:42.36 | axa-axa | when I open Kate |
| 01:42.39 | axa-axa | and begin typing |
| 01:42.47 | axa-axa | I set highlighting to "C++" |
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| 01:43.51 | axa-axa | Kwrite is fine |
| 01:43.56 | axa-axa | But then again |
| 01:44.07 | axa-axa | kwrtie has different settings |
| 01:44.14 | axa-axa | since I havent uysed it |
| 01:44.31 | axa-axa | And as last |
| 01:44.37 | smileaf | might wanna set those settings one by one then :) |
| 01:44.42 | axa-axa | I'll try disabling some plugins in Kate |
| 01:44.43 | axa-axa | ... |
| 01:45.01 | smileaf | just to eliminate the possibilty of it being a certain option. |
| 01:45.13 | axa-axa | I really dont have that much time, but ok, I'll see... |
| 01:45.34 | smileaf | tho most I'd think wouldn't affect it that much. |
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| 01:46.20 | smileaf | I would think it'd be an issue in the syntax highlighting code. |
| 01:47.21 | smileaf | tho there are other events that are fired off no doubt. but at any rate I'm about to pass out here... off to bed. |
| 01:47.38 | axa-axa | And my guess is indentation :) but let me change settings... |
| 01:47.48 | smileaf | yes that too |
| 01:47.58 | hollywoodb | axa-axa: works fine here as well |
| 01:49.19 | axa-axa | I've set kwrite as Kate and it's the same |
| 01:49.31 | axa-axa | when I hit enter after "fin;" ti blocks |
| 01:51.08 | smileaf | axa-axa: maybe pastebin your ~/.kde/share/config/katerc and/or ~/.kde/share/config/kwriterc then. |
| 01:51.58 | axa-axa | Ok, but in return can you please propose me another KDE editor with tabs :) or should I install Emacs... again ;) |
| 01:53.29 | axa-axa | katerc: http://rafb.net/paste/results/upVxMR78.html |
| 01:53.36 | axa-axa | kwriterc: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3nlipo93.html |
| 01:55.33 | axa-axa | Hehe good ol' Kedit works like charm, without line numbers, highlights, tabs and other stuff thoguh. |
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| 01:56.26 | axa-axa | Nothing, I've checked repository, and it seems there is no other KDE editor in it. Ill be switching to Emacs now... |
| 02:01.01 | hollywoodb | axa-axa: kdevelop? |
| 02:01.35 | axa-axa | What do you mean? Does this happens in Kdevelop also? |
| 02:02.06 | hollywoodb | axa-axa: no... you said there are no other editors in your repo, I was basically asking if you've tried kdevelop |
| 02:03.00 | axa-axa | Ah that :) well I'm using kdevelop for "main" (longer) developing :) and small editors like Kate for testing small parts, that's all. |
| 02:05.01 | axa-axa | It would be too much bother to make whole new project every time when I need to test some small parts, and I rarely I can use the old one. |
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| 02:09.07 | axa-axa | Well I'm off. I hope I've helped with this. |
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| 02:09.12 | axa-axa | Bye guys. |
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| 02:27.35 | stoned | When I click the <home> icon Konq. starts up with my ~. When I click the Konq. browser icon, it opens up another Konq. window with the web browser in it. Is there a way to consolidate the two windows, so no matter how or when Konq. is started, if a window is open, it simply opens the newly made stuff in a TAB |
| 02:29.02 | stoned | I have currently enabled Konq > Options > Web Behaviour > Advanced Options > Open as tab in existing window when URL is called externally |
| 02:29.40 | stoned | Also the option in main Web Behaviour panel called Open links in new tab instead of in new window |
| 02:29.50 | stoned | I am running kde 3.5.5 |
| 02:30.11 | stoned | Please advise. |
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| 02:33.57 | Jucato | stoned: afaik, if you open Konqueror by clicking on a launcher or K Menu item, it will always start a new instance/window of Konqueror. not aware of any settings that would do that |
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| 02:34.35 | Jucato | but with those settings of yours, if you open on any URL outside of Konqueror (kmail, akregator, konversation, kopete), it will open in a new tab |
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| 02:34.49 | stoned | :( |
| 02:35.20 | stoned | Thanks, I appreciate it. |
| 02:35.55 | Jucato | btw, about the first question/situation, Konqueror uses a different setting for the Home page, and the initial/opening page |
| 02:36.12 | stoned | How do you think I should modify the home launcher icon on panel (or konq. for that matter) so that it launches konq. but with an url flag or some sort |
| 02:36.19 | stoned | i'd read the man page but I'm stoned as balls |
| 02:36.38 | stoned | like konqeuror -URL ~/ or /home/stoned |
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| 02:36.49 | beg1689 | hey |
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| 02:37.50 | Jucato | stoned: those Konqueror launchers launch Konqi without any URL. you can add a URL, too. I'm just not so sure how to use the proper commands/arguments for launching it the way you want |
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| 02:38.18 | beg1689 | not sure if this si the right channel but i was jusdt wondering, is there an easy way to get tabs to show up in Kate |
| 02:38.25 | beg1689 | for switching between documents |
| 02:38.49 | beg1689 | nevermind |
| 02:38.53 | Jucato | beg1689: besides the Documents panel? |
| 02:39.04 | beg1689 | yea i just noticed that, thats why i said nevermind |
| 02:39.08 | Jucato | :) |
| 02:39.09 | stoned | beg1689, afaik there is a tabless panel on the side with a list of documents open, called the documents panel. Do you see it? |
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| 02:39.16 | stoned | lef side |
| 02:39.20 | Jucato | stoned: he already did :) |
| 02:39.23 | beg1689 | yea it was on "Filesystem Browser" before |
| 02:40.59 | Jucato | stoned: kfmclient newTab URL |
| 02:41.18 | stoned | How would I install X11 mouse themes? |
| 02:41.24 | Jucato | that will open URL in a new tab in a currently opened window |
| 02:41.29 | stoned | I cannot find instructions on it on kde-look |
| 02:41.34 | stoned | Jucato, testing now |
| 02:41.37 | stoned | Thanks |
| 02:41.58 | Jucato | stoned: KControl -> Peripherals -> Mouse -> Cursor theme tab |
| 02:42.59 | stoned | I would like to delete all konq. profiles and start with a fresh one and keep only two |
| 02:43.16 | stoned | how can I delete them. The deleted button seems to do nothing, just greys it out but it still shows |
| 02:43.33 | Jucato | you don't need to delete them (in case you want to put them back) |
| 02:43.45 | stoned | Quite positive I don't need them |
| 02:43.59 | stoned | ever, that is. |
| 02:44.07 | Jucato | you need to be root to delete stuff in /usr/share/apps/konqueror/profiles |
| 02:44.26 | stoned | Thanks |
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| 02:44.31 | Jucato | I suggest making a new profile first before deleting the other 2 |
| 02:44.48 | Jucato | your new profile will be saved in $KDEHOME/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/ |
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| 02:45.49 | stoned | hmm |
| 02:45.55 | stoned | how does one specify the correct url |
| 02:46.10 | Jucato | kfmclient newTab http://www.google.com |
| 02:46.11 | stoned | Error occured while loading file:///home/stoned/www.google.com |
| 02:46.13 | unity | hey, i can't seem to find the option to enable the desktop pager which allows me to switch different desktops, where is that? |
| 02:46.13 | stoned | oh |
| 02:46.18 | Jucato | don't forget the http:// |
| 02:46.41 | stoned | sweet |
| 02:46.46 | stoned | Jucato, you are the fucking man! |
| 02:46.52 | Jucato | unity: the one on kicker (the panel)? right-click on kicker -> Add Applet to Panel -> Desktop Pager |
| 02:46.55 | stoned | now to install the theme., brb |
| 02:47.06 | Jucato | stoned: you need to restart X after installing a cursor theme |
| 02:47.13 | unity | Jucato: thanks |
| 02:48.12 | unity | just got back from beryl...this stuff is old-school. |
| 02:48.19 | Jucato | :) |
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| 02:53.13 | matuso | hi |
| 02:54.55 | matuso | i want to add a personal path where i have some scripts to mi KDE path, so i can execute these scripts directly from "run command" in KDE menu... someone know how to do that? |
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| 02:55.35 | stoned | ok |
| 02:55.37 | stoned | restarting X now |
| 02:59.05 | stoned | wow |
| 02:59.22 | stoned | I love these mouse pointers man, I got the Comix thingy |
| 02:59.24 | stoned | its great |
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| 03:33.30 | zce | is there a quick way to change the "default text editor" instead of changing each extension's association? (i want kate instead of kwrite) |
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| 03:35.44 | dbomb | hey, is there a setting somewhere the limits the cpu performence to increase battery life? because I am being told that it is 300mhz, when I know it is 400 |
| 03:36.13 | dbomb | KInfoCenter, and the battery applet both say 300mhz |
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| 03:41.37 | bline | zce: K Menu -> Settings -> KDE Components -> Embedded Text Editor; But I'm not sure if that is what you are talking about.. |
| 03:42.18 | zce | bline, im talking about clicking 2 times on a text file, and it opens on kate |
| 03:42.50 | bline | Oh, that's probably in the mime types associations |
| 03:43.22 | icwiener | zce: Rightclick on a txt file, properties and then the tool button. |
| 03:45.09 | zce | i thought there could an easier way.. anyway.. i just noticed that if i open 2 files (using konqueror, for an example) with kate.. it opens 2 kate instances.. is there a way to change the behavior to just add the document on the current instance? |
| 03:45.52 | bline | Ahh, what icwiener said or you can modify all the different text associations in K Menu -> Settings -> KDE Components -> File Associations. |
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| 03:46.42 | bline | zce: There is an option in file associations to embed the viewer |
| 03:46.43 | icwiener | zce: kate -u |
| 03:46.44 | Jucato | zce: use "kate --use " or "kate -u " in the Command |
| 03:46.51 | Jucato | zce: use "kate --use % U" or "kate -u % U" in the Command |
| 03:46.57 | icwiener | Jucato: I won :D |
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| 03:47.02 | bline | heh |
| 03:47.08 | Jucato | icwiener: barely :P |
| 03:47.23 | Jucato | mine was longer and more detailed :P |
| 03:47.28 | icwiener | Jucato: You won in quality though. :) |
| 03:47.38 | icwiener | Yes. ;) |
| 03:47.50 | Jucato | heheh |
| 03:50.02 | zce | and what if its not applying my damn change? :P |
| 03:50.23 | zce | im moving Kate above KWrite, press OK, click on the "tool" button again, kate is below kwrite |
| 03:50.35 | icwiener | Then we definitely know, who lost. ;) |
| 03:50.51 | icwiener | Hmm, that's strange. |
| 03:50.53 | zce | and that happened before, when i was editing the K menu |
| 03:51.10 | icwiener | Didn't experience things like that. |
| 03:51.40 | Jucato | I think I've seen problems like that before, like changes to K Menu not being saved or something. |
| 03:51.51 | Jucato | I haven't experienced it though (thankfully) |
| 03:51.56 | bline | Any errors in .xsession-errors? |
| 03:52.56 | Jucato | btw, anyone know where to get a list of all (or most) of the % arguments used in KDE? |
| 03:53.11 | bline | In the source? |
| 03:53.29 | Jucato | :O |
| 03:53.54 | Jucato | there must be some common thing? like % U being used for URL/file? |
| 03:54.38 | zce | bline, no errors |
| 03:55.31 | Dhraakellian | wtf? |
| 03:55.59 | oggb4mp3_ | re |
| 03:55.59 | Dhraakellian | why does gmail suddenly ask me to log in again and then say, "Your browser's cookie functionality is turned off. Please turn it on."? |
| 03:56.05 | Dhraakellian | hrm |
| 03:56.15 | oggb4mp3_ | cause gmail sucks |
| 03:56.27 | Jucato | maybe because your browser's cookie functionality is turned off |
| 03:56.33 | Dhraakellian | "Unable to start the cookie handler service. |
| 03:56.45 | Dhraakellian | You will not be able to manage the cookies that are stored on your computer." |
| 03:56.55 | Dhraakellian | [OK] |
| 03:56.57 | Jucato | Dhraakellian: Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Cookies |
| 03:57.03 | Dhraakellian | Jucato: yes, I know |
| 03:57.08 | Jucato | and? |
| 03:57.10 | Dhraakellian | that little message box pops up |
| 03:57.30 | Jucato | hm.. |
| 03:57.46 | Dhraakellian | cookies are enabled |
| 03:57.48 | Jucato | this happens even after closing Konqueror? |
| 03:58.09 | Dhraakellian | closed konqueror, checked mail with Firefox, opened konqueror again |
| 03:58.47 | Dhraakellian | kcontrol > KDE Components > Service Manager |
| 03:58.51 | Dhraakellian | "Unable to contact KDED." |
| 03:58.53 | Dhraakellian | that might do it |
| 03:59.00 | Jucato | hm... might be the reason |
| 03:59.11 | Jucato | try logging off and log back in? |
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| 03:59.27 | Dhraakellian | mrr |
| 03:59.54 | icwiener | Jucato: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kmenuedit/quickstart.html Scroll down a bit for som (all?) placeholders. |
| 04:00.12 | Jucato | kool! thanks :) |
| 04:00.29 | Dhraakellian | since it wasn't showing up in the process table |
| 04:00.33 | Jucato | ah |
| 04:00.51 | icwiener | Jucato: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/customizing-kde.html here with a little longer description. |
| 04:01.15 | Jucato | icwiener: thanks! :) |
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| 04:03.39 | spawn57 | icwiener, is that a futurama reference? |
| 04:04.28 | icwiener | You mean the KDE Userguide? ;) |
| 04:05.24 | spawn57 | naw your nick |
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| 04:07.40 | icwiener | spawn57: Yes, it is. :) |
| 04:08.27 | spawn57 | good news everyone! |
| 04:08.33 | spawn57 | icwiener is a futurama fan! |
| 04:08.56 | spawn57 | must be a family guy fan then |
| 04:09.06 | Jucato | not even |
| 04:09.29 | spawn57 | oh dear |
| 04:09.36 | icwiener | I would annotate that but I am already in my pyjamas. |
| 04:09.47 | spawn57 | so transformers? |
| 04:09.59 | spawn57 | i'm in hong kong =P |
| 04:10.01 | spawn57 | beat that |
| 04:10.02 | Jucato | ooh |
| 04:10.07 | Jucato | same timezone :) |
| 04:10.08 | icwiener | lol |
| 04:10.15 | spawn57 | oh really? |
| 04:10.18 | Jucato | +8 UTC |
| 04:10.19 | spawn57 | philipines? |
| 04:10.24 | Jucato | yeah! |
| 04:10.34 | spawn57 | cool! |
| 04:10.45 | Jucato | when we choose timezone, it's almost always +8 GMT (Hong Kong) or something |
| 04:10.46 | spawn57 | sucks bout that typhoon that hit you guys recently though |
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| 04:10.56 | spawn57 | pff there's manila in that list |
| 04:11.06 | Jucato | in Ubiquity, yes. in others, no :) |
| 04:11.28 | spawn57 | naw i'm pretty sure there's one in deiban's installer |
| 04:11.41 | Jucato | haven't seen that one yet :) |
| 04:11.41 | spawn57 | s/deibian/debian |
| 04:11.52 | spawn57 | i see hong kong on it hehe |
| 04:12.05 | spawn57 | i run debian on my server |
| 04:12.12 | spawn57 | wouldn't have it any other way |
| 04:12.30 | spawn57 | kubuntu? |
| 04:12.40 | spawn57 | lol |
| 04:12.43 | spawn57 | i use that for my desktop |
| 04:12.50 | Jucato | you should hide too :P |
| 04:12.51 | Dr_willis | I got one Kubuntu box. and one KnoppMyth box. :) |
| 04:12.54 | spawn57 | easy to get packages |
| 04:13.02 | Jucato | ok, 3 persons should hide |
| 04:13.03 | Jucato | lol |
| 04:13.07 | spawn57 | haha |
| 04:13.46 | Jucato | :P |
| 04:13.53 | spawn57 | hmm..bit too early to have a san miguel though |
| 04:13.59 | Jucato | heh |
| 04:14.12 | spawn57 | kubuntu has packages for kde4 =P |
| 04:14.21 | Jucato | I was thinking of KDE 3.5.5 :P |
| 04:14.33 | spawn57 | yeah that's installed by default |
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| 04:14.47 | Jucato | I mean, I was thinking of compiling it, for fun and for learning |
| 04:14.54 | Jucato | I will definitely build KDE 4 later on |
| 04:15.17 | spawn57 | =O |
| 04:15.21 | spawn57 | beryl .... |
| 04:15.32 | Jucato | yeah, I'm taking the plunge, going to try to see how things are |
| 04:15.38 | spawn57 | that wm looks awesome, wish kde adds a few of those features |
| 04:15.44 | Jucato | they will |
| 04:15.47 | Jucato | KWin 4 |
| 04:15.58 | spawn57 | i love some of the eye candy |
| 04:16.01 | Jucato | heh |
| 04:16.04 | spawn57 | oh really |
| 04:16.07 | Jucato | I don't like wobbly windows, though |
| 04:16.15 | spawn57 | I love the gooey gui |
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| 04:16.24 | spawn57 | not so much the spinning menus |
| 04:16.28 | Jucato | I'm only installing Beryl out of curiousity, and to be able to give answers when people ask for help :) |
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| 04:16.39 | spawn57 | i'm not gonna bother for now |
| 04:16.43 | spawn57 | i bet it crashes |
| 04:17.00 | spawn57 | the translucency in compiz keeps crashing on me |
| 04:17.10 | Jucato | that's compiz :) |
| 04:17.17 | Odd_Bloke | Hi guys, does anyone know of any Python-based (or related) KDE projects? |
| 04:17.30 | Jucato | I'm going to try out Beryl, which has less DE-specific dependencies, afaik |
| 04:17.35 | icwiener | PyQt/PyKDE? |
| 04:17.53 | Odd_Bloke | icwiener: Anything that utilises them? |
| 04:18.00 | Jucato | kde-guidance |
| 04:18.15 | spawn57 | dammit think kopete...oh wiat there it goes |
| 04:18.29 | Jucato | afaik, all the (kcontrol) modules in kde-guidance is built using python |
| 04:18.31 | Kyler_ | I'm using Konqueror with WebDAV and I notice if I create a new file, "50%", it sends the filename as "50%25%25" - with two escaped/quoted percent signs. |
| 04:18.42 | icwiener | Odd_Bloke: I do not know, what project uses the Py bindings. |
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| 04:19.51 | Jucato | isn't kde-guidance in upstream? |
| 04:20.24 | Odd_Bloke | spawn57: Was Kopete a suggestion for me or directed at someone else? |
| 04:20.34 | spawn57 | that was me whining |
| 04:20.40 | spawn57 | cos kopete wasn't responding for a second there |
| 04:20.42 | icwiener | Odd_Bloke: http://www.diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/SomeExistingApplications |
| 04:21.05 | Odd_Bloke | icwiener++, thanks. |
| 04:21.05 | Jucato | Odd_Bloke: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ |
| 04:21.25 | Jucato | but it's not PyQt or PyKDE |
| 04:22.39 | Jucato | KDE 4 is currently based on whic Qt 4.x? |
| 04:23.01 | icwiener | Jucato: qtcopy is 4.2.2 afaik. |
| 04:23.11 | Jucato | oh thanks :) |
| 04:23.22 | Jucato | oooh... KTorrent is in SVN? |
| 04:23.39 | icwiener | Jucato: I don't know. I fetched th tar.gz. |
| 04:23.43 | Jucato | heh |
| 04:24.00 | Jucato | oh well, I think I'm confident enough to do that as well :) |
| 04:24.11 | icwiener | Jucato: Easy as hell. ;) |
| 04:24.33 | icwiener | Jucato: ./configure && make && sudo make install |
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| 04:24.49 | Jucato | heh! ./configure --prefix=foo always :) |
| 04:25.05 | Jucato | I already have another KTorrent installed, don't want to cause problems later on :P |
| 04:25.13 | icwiener | Jucato: Oh, well. I do all that in a chroot, so I don't mind. :) |
| 04:26.28 | xdan779 | Hello everyone, I am hoping some here could help me with a konqueror configuration ? |
| 04:26.49 | icwiener | xdan779: shoot |
| 04:27.37 | xdan779 | (icwiener)The browser shows the text color of buttons as white on light grey which is very hard to read |
| 04:27.58 | xdan779 | I can't seem to locate where to change this |
| 04:28.08 | icwiener | kcontrol -> appearence -> colors |
| 04:28.14 | Odd_Bloke | xdan779: kcontrol... |
| 04:28.17 | Odd_Bloke | Yeah, that. |
| 04:28.33 | Odd_Bloke | Though I would have suggested Colours... ;) |
| 04:29.08 | icwiener | It is. |
| 04:29.50 | xdan779 | Ok though this is where I get confused kcontrol shows text color as black on light grey |
| 04:30.00 | Jucato | icwiener: looks like ktorrent is in svn: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/ktorrent/ |
| 04:30.17 | xdan779 | and it shows that way in the file manager everywhere except when browsing websites |
| 04:30.27 | Jucato | but I'm quite weary... it might be a case of KPlayer again... |
| 04:30.38 | icwiener | Jucato: Oh, yes. I remember it from translation work, now that you said it. ;) |
| 04:31.01 | Jucato | bah :P |
| 04:32.54 | icwiener | Jucato: It seems to be developed in KDE SVN, other than kplayer. |
| 04:33.12 | Jucato | heh... |
| 04:33.39 | Jucato | I had to recompile kplayer this morning, after learning that the SVN is outdated and the CVS is the one that's being updated.. |
| 04:35.09 | Jucato | hm... more SVN compiling goodness for me :) |
| 04:35.27 | icwiener | Jucato: Thats a bit confusing. Would be nice if the devs sync the repos regularily or remove one of them. |
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| 04:35.50 | Jucato | icwiener: yeah... |
| 04:36.28 | Odd_Bloke | Namely the CVS one... :p |
| 04:37.28 | icwiener | I prefer Subversion over CVS as well, but if a system is running, it is not changes unless there are problems. |
| 04:38.06 | Jucato | true... but just for consistency :) |
| 04:38.24 | Jucato | anyway, KPlayer was supposed to be dormant until recently... so maybe they're going to fix that in the future |
| 04:38.31 | icwiener | BTW, it's in extragear/moltimedia :P |
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| 04:39.00 | Jucato | er sorry |
| 04:39.08 | Jucato | :) |
| 04:40.12 | Jucato | hmm.... |
| 04:41.45 | icwiener | Jucato: Almost two years ago? Is the site at sourceforge outdated as well? |
| 04:41.50 | icwiener | Jucato: http://kplayer.sourceforge.net/#news |
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| 04:42.54 | Jucato | the sourceforge site is outdated when I checked last night. but the cvs from sourceforge, according to sho, has the updated version... |
| 04:43.18 | icwiener | Jucato: If you have extra time, you could get involved there to get their site up to date. :) |
| 04:43.21 | Jucato | ... or the development version is in cvs.sourceforge... |
| 04:43.30 | Jucato | that's a big *IF* |
| 04:43.32 | Jucato | :) |
| 04:43.38 | icwiener | hehe |
| 04:43.49 | Jucato | besides, I'm not even sure if I built the correct one heheh |
| 04:44.00 | Jucato | (oh and their instructions on how to build from cvs is also outdated...) |
| 04:44.08 | icwiener | kmplayer --version ? :) |
| 04:44.38 | icwiener | kplayer* |
| 04:44.50 | Jucato | from CVS: KPlayer 0.5.9 (using KDE 3.5.5); from SVN: KPlayer 3.5.5 (using KDE 3.5.5) |
| 04:45.22 | icwiener | Jucato: In KDE SVN I see a "KPlayer 0.6 pre-release for alpha testing." entry. |
| 04:45.44 | Jucato | hm... |
| 04:45.51 | Jucato | websvn? |
| 04:46.02 | icwiener | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=71710&package_id=71325 |
| 04:46.07 | icwiener | I see only 0.5.3 here. |
| 04:46.12 | Jucato | ah |
| 04:46.23 | icwiener | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/kplayer/?rev=614049 scroll down |
| 04:47.03 | Jucato | hm... 3months ago... |
| 04:48.03 | Jucato | anyway... brb :) |
| 04:48.09 | Jucato | gotta go somewhere |
| 04:48.18 | icwiener | have fun there ;) |
| 04:49.13 | Jucato | heh |
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| 04:52.12 | Jaywalker | Hey guys, I just updated my laptop with mandriva 2007/kde 3.5 |
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| 04:52.29 | Jaywalker | I told Mandriva i wanted a 1900xsomething resolution |
| 04:52.32 | Jaywalker | and it sees it |
| 04:52.47 | Jaywalker | but KDE sets it to 1024xblah |
| 04:53.09 | Jaywalker | and that's the highest listed in the kcontrol center |
| 04:53.18 | Jaywalker | :( Any idea how to fix that? |
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| 04:56.25 | stoned | ey! qupada man whats up man, how are you doing |
| 04:57.46 | qupada | stoned: lousy. allergies are giving me hell |
| 04:58.03 | stoned | 22:50:35 up 61 days, 11:35, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 04:58.07 | stoned | dude!? |
| 04:58.18 | stoned | qupada, that sucks man, hope you feel better soon |
| 04:58.44 | stoned | dry/cold has got my lips are burned and itchy and they hurt and I got cuts on em cuz I bit it |
| 04:59.01 | stoned | im stoned |
| 04:59.10 | stoned | I'm probably not going to make much grammatical sense |
| 04:59.19 | stoned | but all you need is a few keywords right |
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| 04:59.25 | stoned | like must...find...weed... |
| 04:59.28 | stoned | ahem |
| 04:59.47 | qupada | nice hostname drkm |
| 04:59.54 | stoned | Jaywalker, no clue man, kde shows what X* has configured in the .conf file |
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| 05:00.20 | Jaywalker | X has it configured to higher |
| 05:00.23 | Jaywalker | in the.conf |
| 05:00.25 | stoned | thats fucked up man |
| 05:00.28 | Jaywalker | i hand checked it :) |
| 05:00.29 | stoned | I'm paki |
| 05:00.31 | Jaywalker | I know |
| 05:00.35 | stoned | Lahore Pakistan |
| 05:00.40 | Jaywalker | Imma go smoke a bowl... that'll fix it |
| 05:00.43 | Jaywalker | lol. |
| 05:00.46 | stoned | word man |
| 05:00.48 | stoned | toke it up |
| 05:00.51 | stoned | toke it up man |
| 05:00.51 | qupada | Jaywalker: so if you start X manually from a console it starts in the resolution you want? |
| 05:01.03 | Jaywalker | Let me check. |
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| 05:06.41 | Jaywalker | well, that just crashed X |
| 05:06.42 | Jaywalker | Lol. |
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| 05:15.52 | Jaywalker | Lol. |
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| 06:50.23 | swiftjew | hello |
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| 06:51.21 | swiftjew | Q: how would i get my wireless internet card working on mandrake 10.1 if i dont have the drives cd? |
| 06:52.10 | Renze | swiftjew: ask in #mandriva |
| 06:52.58 | swiftjew | kk |
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| 07:31.58 | troxor | has anyone had a problem with an empty screensaver list in kcontrol? |
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| 07:33.36 | troxor | there's nothing in the docs, nor on google |
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| 08:01.20 | numbnutts | OK this might seem retarded but i was wondering if anyone in here uses yakuake? see I'm trying to install one the themes off of kde-look for it and can't figure it out. :-/ |
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| 08:06.22 | gardo | numbnutts: i use yakuake but without any themes |
| 08:06.43 | numbnutts | it seems like it should be really easy you know |
| 08:06.50 | numbnutts | yet i can t get it to work |
| 08:07.04 | gardo | what's the link for the theme? |
| 08:07.33 | numbnutts | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=43417 |
| 08:07.52 | numbnutts | ah ha go it |
| 08:07.56 | numbnutts | oops |
| 08:07.58 | numbnutts | got it |
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| 08:10.46 | XVampireX | http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/A_campaign_to_stop_Vista_Adoption_By_the_FSF |
| 08:10.48 | XVampireX | Everyone digg it |
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| 08:55.29 | XVampireX | Is there any "gui" way to do xrandr -s indexnumber in kde? |
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| 09:10.57 | Sho_ | XVampireX: Yes, KControl -> Peripherals -> Display |
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| 09:12.26 | Jucato | moin Sho_! :) |
| 09:12.32 | Sho_ | moin Jucato |
| 09:12.42 | Jucato | Sho_: are you a bit free? |
| 09:13.02 | XVampireX | Sho_: Oh, that's nice |
| 09:13.06 | adamt | Jucato: Yes, Sho_ is 100% based on open source software. |
| 09:13.13 | Jucato | adamt: lol :) |
| 09:13.28 | XVampireX | Sho_: Any idea if there is any tool that docks into systray, similar to nvidia tray thing on windows on linux/kde? |
| 09:13.48 | Sho_ | XVampireX: No idea, sorry |
| 09:13.53 | XVampireX | Oh, okey |
| 09:13.58 | adamt | XVampireX: there is |
| 09:14.01 | adamt | 2secs |
| 09:14.01 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well I'm eating breakfast atm and slept 5h so it depends ... |
| 09:14.10 | Jucato | Sho_: oh ok. later then :) |
| 09:14.12 | adamt | krandrtray |
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| 09:14.28 | Jucato | Sho_: thanks! and happy eating :) |
| 09:14.36 | Sho_ | thanks |
| 09:14.47 | XVampireX | adamt: thanks :D |
| 09:15.04 | adamt | np. |
| 09:15.34 | adamt | playing with screen rotation is funny, although it's quite a loot easier to just stay with the normal rotation. |
| 09:15.40 | adamt | *lot |
| 09:16.03 | PhilRod | adamt: yeah, I tried that once, it was quite amusing |
| 09:16.32 | PhilRod | If I used my computer in public more often, I might have kept it for "annoying other people" value |
| 09:16.38 | adamt | yeah |
| 09:16.45 | Jucato | hehe |
| 09:16.56 | adamt | PhilRod: try swapping the keys on your keyboard instead |
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| 09:17.22 | Jucato | or keyboard layouts (if that's what adamt meant...) |
| 09:17.29 | adamt | that's a great way to puzzle people. And combine that with the screen turned 180 degrees |
| 09:17.35 | XVampireX | adamt: Any idea where to get it? |
| 09:17.45 | adamt | XVampireX: it's a part of kde |
| 09:18.16 | XVampireX | oh, lols :D |
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| 09:18.28 | XVampireX | thanks |
| 09:19.03 | adamt | Jucato: it's a part of the official KDE distribution. |
| 09:19.04 | XVampireX | sometimes it's nice pronouncing lol as lawl instead of L O L |
| 09:19.16 | Jucato | adamt: so I've seen :) |
| 09:19.46 | Jucato | hm... seems like krandrtray's resolution changing utility works... and kcontrol's doesn't.... |
| 09:19.57 | XVampireX | Lies |
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| 09:20.21 | XVampireX | Ok, I'm on 800x600 :D wee :D |
| 09:20.31 | brahmana | hello |
| 09:20.41 | PhilRod | adamt: I did briefly try to translate everything to rot13. I might try that again sometime if I have some free time to waste |
| 09:20.56 | brahmana | is there any default hardware monitor tool available with KDE? |
| 09:21.18 | brahmana | for monitoring CPU temperature and stuff |
| 09:21.19 | PhilRod | (I got the UI translated - that was fairly easy, but most of what I read is email or webpages, and rot13'ing those would be a bit harder) |
| 09:21.47 | brahmana | i cam across lm_sensors.. but i could not figure out how to use it |
| 09:22.12 | brahmana | so is there any tool or application available by default? |
| 09:22.13 | XVampireX | brahmana: All kinds of stuff, try SuperKaramba |
| 09:22.27 | XVampireX | by default, don't think so |
| 09:23.01 | brahmana | XVampireX: is that a heavy application? |
| 09:23.23 | icwiener | PhilRod: Is it a "go ahead", when nobody answers negatively on the docs mailing list? |
| 09:23.28 | XVampireX | System Guard too |
| 09:23.36 | PhilRod | icwiener: depends what the question is :-) |
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| 09:23.43 | XVampireX | brahmana: That's not a heavy application :P |
| 09:24.08 | icwiener | PhilRod: I mean the <guilabel> and stuff thing. |
| 09:24.38 | adamt | XVampireX: compared to stuff like `conky`, superkaramba sure is heavy. |
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| 09:25.06 | XVampireX | Of course, cause it's designed for more than just system monitoring :D |
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| 09:25.09 | PhilRod | icwiener: yes, go ahead with the change |
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| 09:25.54 | icwiener | PhilRod: What would be a good color value? |
| 09:26.04 | brahmana | XVampireX: it says SuperKaramba is a tool to develop widgets on KDE... so how am i to do system monitoring with that? |
| 09:26.20 | brahmana | am i to write a widget for doing that? |
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| 09:27.23 | PhilRod | brahmana: superkaramba "widgets" are like little desktop applets |
| 09:28.01 | Jucato | desktop widgets or desktop applets |
| 09:28.03 | PhilRod | and there are lots of superkaramba widgets available (on kde-look.org I think) |
| 09:28.14 | Jucato | brahmana: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=38&PHPSESSID=34640193ece1d5e9d3069b6b933301ee |
| 09:28.44 | brahmana | PhilRod: got it.. so i can just look for the corresponding widget |
| 09:28.57 | brahmana | Jucato: i ll check out that link |
| 09:30.43 | adamt | just start superkaramba, and hit "get new stuff" ;-) |
| 09:31.12 | Jucato | is the khotnewstuff for superkaramba up to date? |
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| 09:32.37 | adamt | Jucato: and what if khotnewstuff is just a different front end to the kde-look webpage? |
| 09:32.59 | Jucato | adamt: then that would be totally incredible and wonderful :) |
| 09:33.13 | adamt | (but, i'm not saying it is) |
| 09:34.25 | Jucato | would be nice if it were... specially for those items that don't need compilation to run (icon themes, cursor themes, wallpapers, color schemes, kdm themes, etc) |
| 09:34.36 | Jucato | s/run/use/ |
| 09:35.15 | adamt | i would still be funky if knewstuff could just compile the other stuff on the fly |
| 09:35.58 | Jucato | true, but not very easy to implement... |
| 09:36.27 | Jucato | you have to consider a lot of factors... |
| 09:37.37 | adamt | not really |
| 09:37.49 | adamt | GNU already did make something like that |
| 09:37.54 | Jucato | ? |
| 09:38.04 | adamt | can't remember the name though |
| 09:38.36 | thiago | not really easy |
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| 09:38.44 | Jucato | basically khotnewstuff would have to consider 1) if a compiler is already installed and 2) if the necessary dependencies to compile are resolved |
| 09:38.45 | bline | Well, gentoo compiles everything. You'd probably need a similar system, a shell script or spec for each application. |
| 09:38.45 | thiago | takes too much disk space to compile even a trivial KDE stuff |
| 09:38.57 | thiago | you need a C++ compiler, plus X11, Qt and KDE development headers |
| 09:39.04 | adamt | but, basically you just gave it a tar.gz file with source code, and given the correct packages were installed, it would just build and install it, and all the user had to do was click on a quite ugly GUI :p |
| 09:39.38 | bline | It would probably be easier to just have precompiled packages for each arch |
| 09:39.38 | Jucato | adamt: but you're already presuming that all distros already have all those things setup by default |
| 09:40.10 | adamt | Jucato: it could be done very easily - the app could simple depend on gcc and stuff like that. |
| 09:40.15 | icwiener | PhilRod: Is it /trunk/kdelibs... or /trunk/KDE/kdelibs... ? |
| 09:40.42 | Jucato | adamt: and how would khotnewstuff know how to install those? |
| 09:41.02 | bline | adamt: It's not that simple. The rpm based dists do not include the devel packages by default. |
| 09:41.22 | Jucato | there's also the fact that some would need the development headers, as thiago pointed out |
| 09:41.31 | adamt | Jucato: ehh, the package system would know that... |
| 09:41.47 | Jucato | adamt: and how would khotnewstuff know what package system to use? |
| 09:41.59 | bline | And people don't want to put all that devel stuff on their system, it's the reason they split it up. |
| 09:42.07 | adamt | Jucato: wow, that was not very brilliant asked :p |
| 09:42.28 | thiago | how does that sound? |
| 09:42.31 | Sho_ | Jucato: He's suggessting that the knewstuff package in $distro should depend on the necessary packages to perform the compilation (which is the easy part, and not the reason this scheme is ill-conceived) |
| 09:42.50 | adamt | Jucato: when installing the app _with the distributions packaging system_, that system would pull build-essentials.. |
| 09:43.36 | thiago | what if the component in question wants to do some fancy stuff and requires an external library |
| 09:43.39 | thiago | ? |
| 09:43.49 | adamt | the app would need to support different packaging systems to get the headers installed, though. |
| 09:44.17 | Jucato | I thought we were talking about khotnewstuff? so now it's a separate app? |
| 09:44.28 | icwiener | PhilRod: Nevermind. I guess it was moved to the new position sometime... ;) |
| 09:44.36 | adamt | Jucato: it is what it needs to be ;-) |
| 09:44.37 | Sho_ | You're essentially talking about recreating most of Portage in KNewStuff, which is, well .. :-) |
| 09:44.50 | adamt | Please, god, no, not portage |
| 09:45.04 | adamt | Lets just all use Debian. |
| 09:45.12 | Jucato | hm... |
| 09:45.27 | Jucato | no wonder you think it's so easy to implement this... :) |
| 09:45.37 | Sho_ | As long as one doesn't have to use its obscure and unfriendly package management toolset, Debian is fine enough |
| 09:45.54 | thiago | how do we do this on non-Linux platforms? |
| 09:45.56 | thiago | on MacOS X? |
| 09:45.59 | Jucato | on BSD |
| 09:46.01 | Jucato | ? |
| 09:46.06 | thiago | on (ugh!) Windows? |
| 09:46.19 | Jucato | (God forbid?!) |
| 09:46.30 | adamt | thiago: we make an evil virus, that deletes the system, and installs Debian. |
| 09:46.45 | Jucato | tsk tsk... |
| 09:47.26 | adamt | nah, i rarely reads dot.kde.org |
| 09:47.36 | adamt | (it's quite annoying to pronounce, btw.) |
| 09:47.39 | adamt | dot dot kde dot org |
| 09:47.50 | Sho_ | adamt: The bottom line is that for successful installation in all the corner cases (external deps, incomplete architecture coverage, ..) you need more metadata than a source tarball presently provides as well as way to resolve dependencies, which is why distributions have package management systems, in case of Portage a sophisticated meta build system. And that would essentially be the requirement. |
| 09:47.51 | Jucato | er.. that's why it's just called "the Dot" |
| 09:48.18 | Sho_ | And even then, it wouldn't be desirable to carry around the baggage of a build environment on an end-user system |
| 09:48.30 | adamt | Jucato: but try writing the dot in konqueror - that'll get you nowhere |
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| 09:48.51 | Jucato | adamt: not really. I've bookmarked it so I just need to type in "dot." and press Tab :P |
| 09:48.58 | adamt | Sho_: it would be cool to implement it on the server side (with caching, of course) |
| 09:48.59 | thiago | adamt: how about www dot slash dot dot org? :-) |
| 09:49.53 | adamt | bottom line is, it's easier to say news dot kde dot org |
| 09:51.28 | adamt | Jucato: it would require it's distro to adapt the system in some ways, to match the packaging system and such, and there is only so many different ubuntu arches, so it would be limited how many time each package would need to be built. |
| 09:51.55 | Jucato | adamt: you are presuming, again, that the world revolves around Debian |
| 09:52.55 | adamt | Jucato: how am i? |
| 09:53.23 | adamt | i said it would require that each distro modifies the system a little ;-) |
| 09:53.41 | Sho_ | The only thing that might be feasible is to give distributions access to KDE-Look/Apps in such a way that they can add precompiled binaries for their distros to entries, and have distributions be so happy about that that they assign an employee and a build bot to the task - and they wouldn't be happy because they want people to use their package trees rather than scour random packages off websites |
| 09:54.43 | Theory | wait, you mean the world doesn't revolve around debian? :-) |
| 09:55.03 | Jucato | Theory: depends on which world you're living in ;) |
| 09:55.10 | adamt | Theory: Yes, weird eh? They must be talking about a parrallel universe. |
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| 09:55.59 | adamt | Which would be cool, since that would imply that we are talking with people in another dimension, which would prove string theory to be right. |
| 09:56.03 | Theory | anyway, anyone else watching this conversation and thinking 'klik' ? |
| 09:56.25 | Sho_ | Anyone else reading Theory's line and thinking 'eww'? |
| 09:56.37 | adamt | Sho_: yup. |
| 09:56.50 | Jucato | my brain just went /ignore on that line I think... |
| 09:57.06 | adamt | ohh well, se you all later, i need to go downtown.. |
| 09:57.17 | Sho_ | Theory: Klik comes down to DLL-hell-on-Linux |
| 09:58.02 | Theory | sure, it's not ideal |
| 09:58.18 | thiago | Klik is one step past MacOS X's app bundles |
| 09:58.23 | Theory | but it's probably better than "i can't figure out how to install this package :'-(" |
| 09:58.36 | Sho_ | No, it really isn't |
| 09:58.49 | Jucato | better than "use your distro's package management system"? |
| 09:58.56 | Sho_ | It just deferrs the problem by creating a new and more critical one |
| 09:58.58 | Jucato | (granted they don't have everything...) |
| 09:58.58 | icwiener | PhilRod: ping |
| 09:59.40 | Theory | it was a long time since I used windows, but I can't honestly remember an instance where as an end user dll-hell was actually a problem for me |
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| 09:59.55 | Theory | I can remember lots of instances of being unable to get this f'ing app to compile |
| 09:59.59 | thiago | except when it asks you if you want to overwrite a DLL? |
| 10:00.05 | thiago | or when it asks if it should remove the DLL? |
| 10:00.13 | Theory | thiago: I just tended to click randomly |
| 10:00.17 | Theory | everything tended to continue working |
| 10:00.25 | Sho_ | Theory: The biggest problem is security |
| 10:00.26 | icwiener | hehe |
| 10:00.30 | thiago | that doesn't sound like a healthy behaviour |
| 10:00.43 | Sho_ | Theory: When a security hole is found in $lib, and you have that lib around 20 times thanks to Klik, that sucks |
| 10:00.44 | Jucato | it's the point-and-click-zombie culture of Windows :) |
| 10:00.59 | Sho_ | Theory: You lose the ability to just patch your central copy |
| 10:01.21 | Theory | Sho_: this is still better than *not being able to run the app because I can't figure out how to install it* |
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| 10:01.53 | Sho_ | Theory: See e.g. the pain Microsoft had to go through when there was a security problem with their JPEG (or was it PNG?) library ... they had to release fixes for dozens of products, create a program that scours the hard drive for the lib and replaces it, ... |
| 10:01.54 | PhilRod | icwiener: pong |
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| 10:02.24 | icwiener | PhilRod: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/doc/common/kde-default.css?rev=614091&r1=467407&r2=614091 |
| 10:02.50 | icwiener | PhilRod: What is with the files kde-common.css and kde-web.css? |
| 10:03.04 | Sho_ | Theory: No, installing insecure and unmaintanable shit is a MUCH bigger problem that not installing it in the first place |
| 10:03.16 | Sho_ | *than |
| 10:03.38 | Sho_ | They're better of not installing things at all if they can't install it securely |
| 10:03.41 | PhilRod | icwiener: hrm, not sure |
| 10:03.59 | PhilRod | I expect they're just referred to by the different xsl stylesheets |
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| 10:04.38 | Theory | Sho_: it's a value judgement. the value I get from using the app may well outweigh the weighted cost of there being a security flaw |
| 10:04.53 | Theory | anyway, I don't think we are going to come to an agreement on this, so I suggest we drop it for now :-) |
| 10:05.05 | icwiener | PhilRod: kde-web.css sounds abit like the one for docs.kde.org. |
| 10:05.13 | Jucato | heh :) |
| 10:05.27 | Sho_ | Theory: Only of course that if your box is compromised, it may well have implications for others as well, so you're behaving irresponsibly on top |
| 10:05.28 | PhilRod | icwiener: yes, I expect that's roughly the idea (although docs.kde.org has its own copies of some things) |
| 10:05.31 | Jucato | silly meetings... :( |
| 10:05.47 | icwiener | PhilRod: Confusing. |
| 10:06.25 | PhilRod | icwiener: yeah, it's a manpower problem - physos (like the rest of us :-() has less and less time these days |
| 10:06.35 | Edulix | hello |
| 10:06.36 | icwiener | PhilRod: In kde-web.css the values are on 240,240,240 anyways... |
| 10:06.45 | PhilRod | hi Edulix |
| 10:06.46 | Edulix | I must admit this kickoff thing is very cool |
| 10:07.01 | Edulix | I've installed it in kubuntu, it rocks, suse guys did a good work ;) |
| 10:07.45 | icwiener | PhilRod: Anf kde-common.css is practically empty, so averything should be ok. ;) |
| 10:08.07 | icwiener | PhilRod: How are thigs with getting it back to branches? |
| 10:09.37 | PhilRod | should be fine, since there are no translation issues. Let me check coolo's message about freeze |
| 10:09.56 | PhilRod | I think we can call this a bugfix, so it's fine |
| 10:11.25 | icwiener | PhilRod: Ok. |
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| 10:33.11 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | anyone here experienced with knetworkmanager ? |
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| 10:33.18 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | im trying to compile it from svn |
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| 10:34.34 | PhilRod | FaeLLe[gentoo]: if you're having problems compiling, put the error on a pasteboard and link it here |
| 10:34.44 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | i did will do again :) |
| 10:35.27 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/0To2zO30.html |
| 10:35.40 | XVampireX | FaeLLe[gentoo]: You still with the same problem? |
| 10:35.54 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | this is the script i am using to build it -> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/LAqF3466.html |
| 10:36.01 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | XVampireX, indeed :) |
| 10:36.15 | XVampireX | Solution -> Don't use Gentoo |
| 10:36.25 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | XVampireX, well it works with the sabayon ebuild but i noticed it insdtalls lot of junk not needed |
| 10:36.39 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | XVampireX, so i should resort to rpm hell :p |
| 10:36.44 | XVampireX | No |
| 10:36.59 | XVampireX | there's apt-rpm/apt-deb |
| 10:37.25 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | nah my hardware gets better performance with gentoo........ |
| 10:37.32 | XVampireX | arch linux |
| 10:37.45 | XVampireX | www.archlinux.org |
| 10:37.47 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | running stress tests on debian and gentoo showed superior performance for the apps i need |
| 10:37.49 | XVampireX | binary gentoo, more or less |
| 10:37.51 | PhilRod | take the distro wars somewhere else please, they're really dull |
| 10:38.00 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | PhilRod, did not start it ;) |
| 10:38.00 | XVampireX | debian sucks, it's slow |
| 10:38.10 | XVampireX | Neither did I, or rather, there isn't one |
| 10:38.23 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | XVampireX, yea i can use binary stuff from normal gentoo too if i get it |
| 10:38.42 | PhilRod | distro wars, distro evangelism, distro bashing, whatever - it's all boring |
| 10:38.55 | XVampireX | I don't see any of these here |
| 10:39.23 | XVampireX | Except maybe debian is slow, which it indeed is. |
| 10:39.58 | pinotree | i don't see debian it's slow |
| 10:40.08 | XVampireX | It is |
| 10:40.10 | pinotree | no |
| 10:40.14 | XVampireX | At least ubuntu is |
| 10:40.26 | pinotree | i'm currently using debian, and don't feel any "slowness" |
| 10:40.27 | adamt | XVampireX: Please listen to pinotree and PhilRod, and be warned - they have the power get you quiet ;-) |
| 10:40.35 | adamt | XVampireX: Debian != Ubuntu |
| 10:40.40 | XVampireX | In real life, I believe I have the upper hand ;) |
| 10:41.03 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | yea ubuntu is wannabe debian elitness :) |
| 10:41.25 | XVampireX | But it's still slow, i386 is not the same as i686 |
| 10:41.32 | PhilRod | FaeLLe[gentoo]: ah, same error as yesterday :-). if possible, you might want to see if your distro has a package for a different automake version |
| 10:41.55 | PhilRod | FaeLLe[gentoo]: alternatively, you could try using unsermake from, um, wherever it lives in svn these days |
| 10:41.55 | XVampireX | Where's autohell? |
| 10:42.05 | XVampireX | PhilRod: You used to call it autohell |
| 10:42.38 | PhilRod | well observed |
| 10:42.59 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | PhilRod, i tried unsermake |
| 10:43.04 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | dont know how to use it |
| 10:43.11 | adamt | XVampireX: I know you won't believe this, but Debians KDE started quite a lot faster then Gentoos KDE on this laptop. So the differences is unbelievable small, and you can't say that one thing always is faster than another thing. EOD. |
| 10:43.17 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | PhilRod, let me show ya sec |
| 10:44.11 | adamt | Anyways, will we see a 3.5.7 before kde 4? |
| 10:44.19 | pinotree | no idea |
| 10:44.42 | XVampireX | EOD? :P |
| 10:44.43 | PhilRod | adamt: no specific plan one way or the other, but if there are enough bug fixes, docs updates, and perhaps even small new features, there will probably be one |
| 10:44.55 | XVampireX | adamt: For sure we'll see 3.6 before kde4 |
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| 10:45.09 | adamt | XVampireX: No we won't. |
| 10:45.15 | XVampireX | Yes we will |
| 10:45.20 | pinotree | XVampireX: there won't be 3.6 |
| 10:45.33 | pinotree | otherwise it would be already released |
| 10:45.36 | icwiener | adamt: likely. If it goes on with a nev minor every two monthe, and KDE4 released in second half of 2007, that there would be even some more minors. |
| 10:45.41 | XVampireX | KDE4 is still too much behind in alpha |
| 10:46.20 | pinotree | so? |
| 10:46.20 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | PhilRod, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/INBgxp97.html |
| 10:46.20 | XVampireX | It doesn't even have plasma yet :P |
| 10:46.30 | XVampireX | nor any meaningful graphical changes :P |
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| 10:46.41 | imagine | is there an accounting program that comes with KDE? |
| 10:46.41 | XVampireX | And no actual screenshots of what to show off in kde4 |
| 10:46.56 | adamt | XVampireX: And plasma won't get finished faster by releasing a big 3.6 |
| 10:46.59 | PhilRod | XVampireX: can we have less of the uninformed nonsense please? |
| 10:47.02 | pinotree | XVampireX: it was already decided that kde 3.6 would never been released, only 3.5.x |
| 10:47.17 | icwiener | Sound linke a 3.5.12 or something, but not like a 3.6. |
| 10:47.32 | pinotree | XVampireX: no visible changes doesn't mean that there's no real work *behind* |
| 10:47.37 | XVampireX | Fine, so we'll have 3.5.9.9.9.9.9.9.9.9^9 before kde4 |
| 10:47.39 | brahmana | XVampireX: i got superkaramba and also downloaded an applet for CPU temperature and fan speed.. but the applet is just silent and not giving any details |
| 10:47.44 | PhilRod | FaeLLe[gentoo]: "/usr/kde/unsermake/unsermake" should be sufficient |
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| 10:48.00 | XVampireX | brahmana: Configure it |
| 10:48.07 | adamt | brahmana: Maybe the lm_sensors module isn't loaded? |
| 10:48.10 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | PhilRod, then it says |
| 10:48.12 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | ERROR:Makefile.am: SUBDIRS contains variable TOPSUBDIRS |
| 10:48.26 | brahmana | adamt: how do i check that? |
| 10:48.42 | XVampireX | PhilRod: Shows signs of geek anger |
| 10:49.04 | adamt | brahmana: depends on a bunch of stuff, it could be compiled directly into the kernel |
| 10:49.05 | PhilRod | *yawn* |
| 10:49.11 | XVampireX | :P |
| 10:49.12 | brahmana | XVampireX: inthe configure menu i just got options for text and things like that |
| 10:49.37 | XVampireX | Childish, PhilRod |
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| 10:49.42 | brahmana | adamt: another applet from the same theme is workign and showing CPU usage |
| 10:49.54 | XVampireX | brahmana: What applet are you using? |
| 10:49.54 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | PhilRod, the Makefile.am file is -> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/UHRnoC52.html |
| 10:50.08 | adamt | brahmana: cpu usage doesn't require the lm_sensors... at least i don't think so.. but temperature does |
| 10:50.36 | brahmana | XVampireX: GlassHUDX.. the tarball is 32783-GlassHUDX-0.6.tar.bz2 |
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| 10:50.47 | XVampireX | Maybe read how to install it? |
| 10:50.52 | XVampireX | and how to configure it |
| 10:50.56 | XVampireX | maybe it has some dependencies |
| 10:52.26 | brahmana | XVampireX: read me doesnt say anything more than the description that i read on the download page |
| 10:52.33 | PhilRod | FaeLLe[gentoo]: I'm out of ideas, sorry. The only thing I can think of is to try a different automake version, but perhaps the Makefile.am is actually wrong |
| 10:52.48 | XVampireX | brahmana: Give me a second then |
| 10:53.07 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | PhilRod, what version of automake should i use ? |
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| 10:54.30 | PhilRod | FaeLLe[gentoo]: oh wait, I have automake 1.9, and most things compile, so it's probably not that |
| 10:54.52 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | yea i am on automake 1.9.6-r2 |
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| 10:56.02 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | i could upgrade to automake 1.10 but that is still under testing |
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| 10:58.42 | oGALAXYo | FaeLLe[gentoo]: gentoo has plenty of testers :) |
| 10:59.58 | XVampireX | brahmana: "You need the sensors program installed for this widget to work." |
| 11:00.57 | XVampireX | [11:21] <brahmana> i cam across lm_sensors.. but i could not figure out how to use it |
| 11:01.03 | XVampireX | that one |
| 11:02.06 | XVampireX | brahmana: http://www.lm-sensors.org/ |
| 11:02.10 | XVampireX | read ;) |
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| 11:02.55 | brahmana | XVampireX: i have that installed |
| 11:03.14 | XVampireX | Read how to install lm-sensors to work then :) |
| 11:03.35 | brahmana | XVampireX: it is already installed... it is there by default.. |
| 11:03.55 | XVampireX | JUST READ |
| 11:04.38 | XVampireX | The applet WILL work if you have lm_sensors installed CORRECTLY |
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| 11:06.22 | FaeLLe[gentoo] | oGALAXYo, yea it seems stable too |
| 11:07.01 | adamt | XVampireX: Quite frankly i don't think there is any need for shouting. |
| 11:07.43 | XVampireX | Ignorance |
| 11:08.04 | XVampireX | "Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, or a willful lack of desire to improve the efficiency, merit, effectiveness or usefulness of one's actions. Ignorance is also a "state of being ignorant" or unaware (not knowing). " |
| 11:08.29 | XVampireX | bye |
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| 11:17.09 | brahmana | XVampireX: i wanted to know one thing.. can i run the lm-sensors module individually just to see if it is working |
| 11:17.57 | XVampireX | I don't use it |
| 11:18.23 | brahmana | ok |
| 11:18.58 | brahmana | adamt: can you tell me whether i can run lm-semsors individually? |
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| 11:21.21 | adamt | brahmana: Sorry, i don't use it either. |
| 11:21.28 | icwiener | brahmana: You could have better luck asking this kind of question in the channel to your distro. |
| 11:22.03 | brahmana | icwiener: i am doing that.. thank you |
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| 11:30.11 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 11:30.56 | Ace2016 | where can i get a list of the kde startup services (ones in kcontrol) and their descriptions, like what KDED Remote Base URL Notifier is |
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| 11:35.25 | anisfarhana | greetings |
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| 11:37.40 | PhilRod | hiya anisfarhana! |
| 11:37.51 | anisfarhana | hiya PhilRod , long time no see :) |
| 11:38.20 | PhilRod | indeed - how are you? |
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| 11:48.13 | Ace2016 | How do i get a list of what stuff like kded remote base Url notifier do? |
| 11:50.07 | anisfarhana | PhilRod: oh im fine , thanks for asking sir |
| 11:50.12 | anisfarhana | PhilRod: how about you ? |
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| 11:52.35 | PhilRod | anisfarhana: very good thanks - about to go home for an excessively long christmas holiday, and the old PhD is going well |
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| 11:53.13 | anisfarhana | PhilRod: great! |
| 11:53.57 | anisfarhana | PhilRod: so what topic do you research on your PhD ? |
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| 11:55.11 | PhilRod | anisfarhana: I'm doing particle physics, working on an experiment called MINOS |
| 11:55.39 | anisfarhana | PhilRod: oh not on computer-related ? |
| 11:56.01 | PhilRod | no, although doing experimental particle physics requires using lots of computing stuff anyway |
| 11:56.12 | PhilRod | I jsut found a bug in the code used by the experiment |
| 11:56.33 | anisfarhana | i wish i can do my PhD on linux based ;p |
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| 12:00.16 | anisfarhana | PhilRod: well good luck for you PhD sir :) |
| 12:00.34 | PhilRod | thanks :-) |
| 12:00.39 | Solifugus | k3b setup sees my dvd burner, but when i go to burn, it's not there... and i can't.. It worked fine, before I rebooted..!#@!$ |
| 12:00.43 | Solifugus | any ideas? |
| 12:02.22 | Solifugus | it's kde 3.5.5 with k3b 0.12.14 |
| 12:02.27 | Solifugus | freshly compiled.. |
| 12:02.39 | Ace2016 | anyone know what KDED Remote Base URL Notifier does? |
| 12:02.47 | Ace2016 | can i disable it? |
| 12:03.00 | Ace2016 | i'm tryin to speed up my system, any tips? |
| 12:03.43 | PhilRod | Ace2016: did you see the performance tips page on the wiki? |
| 12:04.07 | Ace2016 | nope |
| 12:04.10 | Ace2016 | i'll look |
| 12:04.29 | Solifugus | holy sh...t it's suddenly after 4:00am@! |
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| 12:29.47 | tango_ | hello all, is there a kde-pim specific channel? I'm starting to get serious about my migration from windows to linux, and currently the only thing that I have some urgency about is my mail and newsgroup stuff. on windows I use the bat! for email and 40tude dialog for newsgroups. I see that kmail has an "old mail" import feature for the bat, which is quite cool, but if possible I would like to import also the various account settings |
| 12:29.48 | tango_ | & everything ... does anybody know if this is possible yet? |
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| 12:32.21 | PhilRod | I think you can only import the mail |
| 12:32.30 | PhilRod | I don't think there's an option to import account settings |
| 12:33.12 | chimaera | hello. i have problems getting the myspace player to work with konqi. the player itself is loaded but the playlist keeps "connecting..". firefox works fine, flash9 installed. any ideas? |
| 12:33.30 | tobi | I'm looking for the option to split the view in Konqueror, but can't find it anymore |
| 12:33.44 | tobi | was it removed? |
| 12:34.20 | PhilRod | tobi: kubuntu? |
| 12:34.32 | tobi | PhilRod: ubuntu |
| 12:34.35 | PhilRod | Ctrl+Shift+L or Ctrl+Shift+T |
| 12:34.47 | tobi | thanks |
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| 12:37.06 | lnxnt | where is saved what applications run on next startup? |
| 12:37.12 | icwiener_ | Erm... how can I undo the splitting? ;) |
| 12:37.20 | chimaera | can someone pls check if the playlist of e.g. www.myspace.com/wallsofjericho loads correctly in konqi? (might wannt to turn the volume down, depending on your musical taste). |
| 12:38.01 | lnxnt | skype starts on each startup 6 times, i want to delete that |
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| 12:40.57 | PhilRod | lnxnt: ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc or ~/.kde/share/apps/session I think |
| 12:41.11 | tango_ | PhilRod, thanks for the reply :) |
| 12:41.26 | PhilRod | no problem :-) |
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| 12:42.32 | tobi | icwiener_: add the button to the toolbar |
| 12:42.54 | PhilRod | icwiener_: Ctrl+Shift+R |
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| 12:43.48 | icwiener_ | Thanks. Played a bit and then it looked awful. :) |
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| 13:13.42 | ReD_DeB | hi is there a specific apt repository (sources.list) for kde? it seems that the etch official repository doesnt have kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.5 |
| 13:13.56 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: It has. |
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| 13:15.50 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: Well, it's 4:3.5.5a though. |
| 13:16.01 | wRAR | can I disable merging of specific file in directory to final.cpp? |
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| 13:19.19 | ReD_DeB | icwiener can you msg me with the adress? |
| 13:20.00 | ReD_DeB | or you mean that the official version has it |
| 13:20.07 | chimaera | there's no special repo. |
| 13:20.08 | akan01n | hi, im using archlinux here, i have installed gtk packages that i know, but i still cant see GTK options inside kde control painel > appearence & themes, anyone know witch one is it? i dont want to install all packages |
| 13:20.15 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: It's in the official one. |
| 13:20.21 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/kdelibs4c2a |
| 13:20.56 | ReD_DeB | ive tried 3 diferent mirrors, synaptic wont show me the new version :Z |
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| 13:21.17 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: On what version are you? |
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| 13:22.46 | ReD_DeB | well i should be on etch but it seems im not |
| 13:23.00 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: I mean of kdelibs4c2a. |
| 13:23.25 | ReD_DeB | 4:3.5.3-1 |
| 13:23.36 | ReD_DeB | well |
| 13:23.38 | ReD_DeB | actualy |
| 13:23.51 | ReD_DeB | i have 4:3.5.4-3 installed |
| 13:24.03 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: paste your sources.list ang poste the url |
| 13:24.04 | ReD_DeB | but it showes me 4:3.5.3-1 as latest version |
| 13:24.14 | icwiener_ | ~paste |
| 13:24.17 | apt | i guess paste is http://rafb.net/paste/ |
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| 13:29.08 | rome06labs | hi all |
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| 13:30.32 | adamt | hey you |
| 13:30.38 | rome06labs | me |
| 13:31.57 | ReD_DeB | www.adern.com/deb/sources.txt |
| 13:32.14 | ReD_DeB | sorry |
| 13:33.09 | ReD_DeB | www.adern.com/deb/sources2.txt |
| 13:33.27 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: Using a paste service is much easier. :) |
| 13:34.15 | ReD_DeB | right just checked it |
| 13:34.23 | ReD_DeB | learning something new every day |
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| 13:34.50 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: Did you ever run "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade"? |
| 13:35.29 | ReD_DeB | no |
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| 13:36.31 | pinotree | icwiener_: apt-get update && dist-upgrade would be enough, no need for aptitude |
| 13:37.02 | pinotree | ReD_DeB: theorically, here is not the proper plce for asking such questions |
| 13:37.06 | ReD_DeB | dist-update wants to remove kde all together |
| 13:37.10 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: You have to, to get the newest versions of the packages. |
| 13:37.20 | pinotree | it's a distro proble, then you have to ask in the distro channel |
| 13:37.21 | icwiener_ | Oh, what? |
| 13:38.07 | ReD_DeB | whats the channel pinotree? |
| 13:38.12 | icwiener_ | ReD_DeB: pinotree is right. Ask in #debian |
| 13:39.00 | ReD_DeB | tnx |
| 13:39.06 | ReD_DeB | :) |
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| 14:28.13 | arekm | hi, is there a way to turn on some kind of window aggregation when switching via alt+tab? example, you have konsole on whole screen, then you run gimp which show few windows (main window, tools window, colors window, layer windows) and I would like to switch between konsole and all gimp windows not only single gimp window |
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| 14:29.47 | benJIman | arekm: there's a patch for kwin that does window grouping, it has some undesirable side effects though, like grouping all konqueror windows that are part of the same process |
| 14:30.27 | benJIman | http://www.icefox.net/articles/kdeosx/grouplayer.diff |
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| 14:31.27 | arekm | benJIman: thanks, I'll try it |
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| 14:35.39 | AciD | hi |
| 14:36.36 | AciD | I can t type any accentued character or quote since I tried to install scim on kde. The configuration show this command in kcontrol : setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout us -variant intl |
| 14:36.54 | AciD | is there any workaround about that ? |
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| 14:43.44 | JohnFlux | AciD: in text edit line, right click, select input method |
| 14:43.53 | JohnFlux | AciD: try the different ones there |
| 14:44.31 | tuxick | is it 'normal' that kmail still crashes frequently? |
| 14:45.03 | AciD | JohnFlux > ok, it worked in kmail, I had the choice between XIM and SCIM (SCIM was the good choice) |
| 14:45.11 | AciD | but it don t seem to be system wide |
| 14:45.24 | JohnFlux | AciD: yeah you have to change it when you want |
| 14:45.27 | JohnFlux | :/ |
| 14:45.37 | AciD | and some apps (like kvirc) is not allowing this kind of configuration |
| 14:45.38 | AciD | :\ |
| 14:45.46 | AciD | that should be some way |
| 14:46.02 | AciD | maybe by deleting xim |
| 14:46.42 | AciD | hum, no package with that name installed, that s annoying |
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| 15:10.59 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 15:11.07 | maniel | hi |
| 15:11.21 | Ace2016 | anyone know if using a software raid will decrease startup time? |
| 15:11.45 | pinotree | Ace2016: why asking here? |
| 15:11.58 | maniel | where can i find any knotify dcop api description?:) |
| 15:12.28 | Ace2016 | because kde takes forever to startup, i want to know if this will help, or is it a cpu thing |
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| 15:14.23 | maniel | and btw, is there notofication-daemon like implementation of galago protocol for kde? |
| 15:14.36 | benJIman | maniel: what's galago? |
| 15:14.39 | benJIman | something like knotify? |
| 15:15.05 | maniel | benJIman: yeah, but more powerfull i think |
| 15:15.09 | maniel | uses dbus |
| 15:15.39 | maniel | http://galago-project.org/news/index.php |
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| 15:16.19 | maniel | gnome's notification-daemon is one of the â€server†implementations ;-) |
| 15:16.29 | maniel | [and only i know:P] |
| 15:16.39 | maniel | *only one i know |
| 15:16.52 | Jucato | does Quanta have a WYSIWYG feature/editor, like in NVU, MS Frontpage or Dreamweaver? |
| 15:17.04 | pinotree | Jucato: sort of |
| 15:17.12 | Jucato | um.. "sort of"? |
| 15:17.19 | pinotree | maniel: there's knotify - nstead of dbus, it uses dcop |
| 15:17.21 | maniel | read: nope |
| 15:17.25 | pinotree | no |
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| 15:17.46 | pinotree | there is, not quite powerful, but it does the basic works |
| 15:17.59 | maniel | yeah |
| 15:18.00 | maniel | i know |
| 15:18.04 | pinotree | as always, trying something is the best way to know :) |
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| 15:18.27 | pinotree | maniel: what do you need? |
| 15:19.33 | pinotree | (from a notify daemon) |
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| 15:21.49 | pinotree | maniel: what do you need from a notify daemon? |
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| 15:23.04 | maniel | notify daemon allows for input, many programs can use it for presence popups, new mail popups etc |
| 15:23.39 | pinotree | did you try knotify? |
| 15:24.34 | maniel | yup, for basics, that's why i asked about any dcop api docs:P |
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| 15:37.29 | lnxnt | I need infos for file ksmserverrc |
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| 15:44.24 | maniel | pinotree: btw, galago is a multidesktop solution, ot only needs a dbus running:) |
| 15:44.30 | maniel | it's future i think:) |
| 15:44.48 | pinotree | yeah yeah... |
| 15:44.59 | maniel | there are two implementations, gnomes notification-daemon and galago-daemon |
| 15:45.19 | maniel | there are dbus calls specifications on their site |
| 15:45.23 | pinotree | and? |
| 15:46.02 | maniel | and i'm stioll wondering why nobody wrote a kde implementation of this |
| 15:46.05 | maniel | ;-) |
| 15:46.10 | pinotree | there is |
| 15:46.29 | pinotree | it's called "knotify", and was written years before galago |
| 15:46.31 | maniel | nope, knotify is not the same ;-) |
| 15:46.35 | maniel | ah |
| 15:47.24 | maniel | but it's kde only, not multidesktop and doe'snt comply it's specyfications |
| 15:47.50 | pinotree | when knotify was written, iirc there were no specifications |
| 15:48.52 | maniel | ok, i understand you, but dont you think that kde community should open for others and dont live in kde only world? |
| 15:49.16 | pinotree | maniel: what's your purpose here? |
| 15:49.56 | maniel | btw, im' talking about galago, not about this knotify, i just wanted to know if there's any implementations of it in kde |
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| 15:50.08 | maniel | while knotify is not |
| 15:50.15 | pinotree | so? |
| 15:50.20 | maniel | a galago implementation |
| 15:50.27 | pinotree | so? |
| 15:50.39 | ecastro | i've just read that kde4 is planned to be released in 2007, is this true? |
| 15:50.40 | maniel | pinotree: so? |
| 15:51.01 | maniel | ecastro: we hope :-) |
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| 15:51.10 | pinotree | ecastro: where? there are no schedules about kde4 |
| 15:51.24 | maniel | hope it will be as soon as 2007 :-) |
| 15:51.25 | ecastro | pinotree: in the last article that was post in kde.org |
| 15:52.22 | Desintegr | ecastro: ask Father Christmas |
| 15:52.30 | Jucato | 2007 is composed of 12 months :) |
| 15:52.39 | Desintegr | 52 weeks and 365 days ? |
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| 15:53.19 | ecastro | Jucato: yes, i know... but to have the certainty of being in 2007 is A lot for the actual state of the project |
| 15:53.42 | Jucato | it's not set in stone (or on paper or wiki) yet. so... |
| 15:54.06 | ecastro | there is yet no redesign of the uset interface or anything related and that is a LOOOOT of work |
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| 16:01.18 | shevegen | hmm which kde editor offers the most features, for use with languages like php python ruby etc.? |
| 16:01.32 | pinotree | kate |
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| 16:03.39 | shevegen | oki |
| 16:03.48 | Desintegr | kdevelop, but it's not an editor :) |
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| 16:04.14 | GraveDigger | kdevelop is an IDE |
| 16:04.33 | oGALAXYo | shellsage: vim |
| 16:04.52 | oGALAXYo | it has a quite intuitive gui.. |
| 16:04.54 | oGALAXYo | easy use... |
| 16:05.00 | benJIman | quanta+ has useful features for php |
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| 16:12.40 | LinuxCart | Hello |
| 16:13.21 | LinuxCart | I'm interested in podcasting on kde. I've seen kitty which is quite well, but seems that it doesn't understand atom. What other options do you know? |
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| 16:13.52 | wolsni | amarok is pretty nice for podcasting |
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| 16:14.39 | wolsni | or rather, aggregating podcasts |
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| 16:18.41 | LinuxCart | what about video podcast¿? |
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| 16:19.40 | LinuxCart | pinotree: umm didn't go that |
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| 16:20.06 | wolsni | LinuxCart: there is a plugin for amarok to open video podcasts in an external player |
| 16:20.37 | LinuxCart | wolsni: that sound very very interesting |
| 16:20.44 | LinuxCart | do you know the name¿? |
| 16:21.33 | wolsni | nope |
| 16:22.00 | LinuxCart | oh, I'll look for it desperately... |
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| 16:23.07 | wolsni | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=41435 |
| 16:23.38 | wolsni | i haven't used it myself but the commenters seem happy |
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| 16:29.57 | LinuxCart | wolsni: I have it |
| 16:30.12 | LinuxCart | trying to find smth to make it work |
| 16:30.49 | wolsni | LinuxCart: according to the page on KDE-Apps, you need to modify the script if you want to use a video player other than KMPlayer |
| 16:30.59 | LinuxCart | I've seen |
| 16:31.01 | LinuxCart | thanks |
| 16:31.14 | LinuxCart | problem is that amarok web is down |
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| 16:31.42 | wolsni | i'm not sure why that causes a problem? |
| 16:32.03 | LinuxCart | becase I was looking scripts on their web |
| 16:32.06 | LinuxCart | :) |
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| 16:32.40 | wolsni | mkay then |
| 16:33.20 | LinuxCart | good luck in you exam wolsni |
| 16:33.54 | wolsni | oh, thanks :) |
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| 16:39.40 | teclo | Hello. Everytime I run kcontrol and disable kdmtheme, I get SIGSEGV ! |
| 16:40.17 | oGALAXYo | what distro ? |
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| 16:40.23 | oGALAXYo | what kde version ? |
| 16:40.56 | teclo | 3.5.2 on Ubuntu 6.06 |
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| 16:42.39 | oGALAXYo | teclo: have you tried asking in #ubuntu ? |
| 16:42.54 | teclo | oGALAXYo: better not |
| 16:43.04 | oGALAXYo | heh |
| 16:43.11 | LinuxCart | teclo: why? |
| 16:43.16 | teclo | #ubuntu is a bunch of dumbasses |
| 16:43.27 | LinuxCart | what about #kubuntu |
| 16:43.29 | teclo | They don't even know the ps command |
| 16:43.29 | LinuxCart | ? |
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| 16:43.39 | teclo | And you can't fucking swear on #ubuntu |
| 16:43.43 | oGALAXYo | hahaha |
| 16:43.45 | oGALAXYo | fuck.. |
| 16:44.02 | oGALAXYo | ubuntu cd's thrown out like aol cd's |
| 16:44.10 | oGALAXYo | i cant see them anymore.. they release every 2nd day a new cd. |
| 16:44.17 | Dr_willis | Huh? |
| 16:44.25 | Dr_willis | every 6 mo release schedule. |
| 16:44.29 | teclo | I'm really thinking of going back to Debian |
| 16:44.51 | apokryphos | well, it changed for the last release. Edgy release was 4 months. |
| 16:45.00 | LinuxCart | kubuntu should be good, but I prefer debian |
| 16:45.07 | LinuxCart | have to tell that... :D |
| 16:45.08 | Dr_willis | edgy was delayed i thought. |
| 16:45.25 | apokryphos | no, it was dapper that was delayed |
| 16:45.28 | LinuxCart | teclo: why don't you update to edgy? |
| 16:45.31 | apokryphos | so edgy had an even tighter schedule |
| 16:45.49 | teclo | LinuxCart: edgy won't install on that machine for some reason |
| 16:45.56 | teclo | LinuxCart: the installer hangs |
| 16:46.06 | teclo | LinuxCart: also 6.06 has Long Time Support |
| 16:46.25 | LinuxCart | really, then I suggest even more to ask on #kubuntu or send them a bug |
| 16:46.26 | oGALAXYo | yes... > < sooo long :) |
| 16:46.48 | LinuxCart | teclo: kubuntu packages are told to be very patched |
| 16:47.09 | teclo | It doesn't seem ubuntu developers are very interested in bug reports |
| 16:47.19 | teclo | I've already filed a bunch of bug reports, and there's no progress |
| 16:47.58 | oGALAXYo | teclo: you are not leet or company enough for them to react :) |
| 16:48.03 | LinuxCart | that's not LTS then |
| 16:48.28 | teclo | They don't seem to give a damn about my bug reports |
| 16:48.53 | LinuxCart | I don't think wou will get mucho support of kde devs as well, for that combination kde 3.5.2 and kubuntu |
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| 16:49.51 | LinuxCart | if you file a bug against kde you have 2 options: |
| 16:50.18 | LinuxCart | 1st already solved on further versions or 2nd not solved yet |
| 16:50.43 | LinuxCart | in both cases I don't think you'll get a patch for 3.5.2 |
| 16:50.45 | oGALAXYo | or "worksforme" |
| 16:50.56 | LinuxCart | so the only way is kubuntu to solve the problem |
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| 16:51.06 | oGALAXYo | or they leave the junk on bugzilla long enough till you dont care anymore so they close it as "no further feedback" ... after 2 years. |
| 16:51.11 | teclo | oGALAXYo: that's indeed the only thing ubuntu users are able to answer to most of my questions |
| 16:51.19 | thechris | what is the command to list directories excluding non directories and excluding . .. |
| 16:51.35 | oGALAXYo | ls |
| 16:51.44 | pinotree | <teclo> Hello. Everytime I run kcontrol and disable kdmtheme, I get SIGSEGV ! <-- is an extra kcontro module^ |
| 16:51.48 | pinotree | ? |
| 16:52.03 | teclo | pinotree: english, please |
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| 16:52.12 | pinotree | it was english, dude |
| 16:52.39 | pinotree | kdmtheme is not a kcontrol module shipped with the vanilla kde, isn't it? |
| 16:52.49 | apokryphos | it's not, no |
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| 16:53.26 | teclo | ah, it's not |
| 16:53.27 | pinotree | then a) try uninstalling that module and see if kcontrol crashes |
| 16:53.28 | teclo | didn't know |
| 16:53.43 | pinotree | b) if does not crashesm then report the bug to the kdmtheme author |
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| 16:54.34 | thechris | oGALAXYo: what options to ls |
| 16:54.41 | oGALAXYo | ls --help |
| 16:55.30 | Gentle | is there some kicker applet that's an icon and when I click on it some bar pops up with icons? Like, a menu but with large icons instead of small icons with text? |
| 16:55.40 | pinotree | thechris: you should ask in a general linux help channel, not here |
| 16:55.54 | pinotree | Gentle: eh? |
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| 16:57.07 | Gentle | pinotree: well I want to have a "drawer" which has a popup menu, but as far as I got, I can only have popup menus that look like the K-Menu, with small icon and application name beneath it, but I want the menu to consist of only icons, I know what my icons look like and the menu looks rather old-fashioned |
| 16:57.36 | pinotree | uhm |
| 16:58.02 | pinotree | i don't really get what you want, but i can suggest you to do a search around in kde-apps.org |
| 17:02.18 | thechris | i just thought of the coolest thing. if there were some way to get konversation to automatically pastbin any buffer longer then 4 lines then post the line instead. |
| 17:02.57 | oGALAXYo | no that doesnt work |
| 17:03.04 | oGALAXYo | the IRC protocol has only 256 chars per line |
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| 17:03.23 | Bille | thechris: nice idea |
| 17:03.43 | thechris | hmm, then any buffer longer then 1024chars |
| 17:05.02 | Gentle | heh |
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| 17:11.33 | Gentle | hum, Krita seems to have a minimum size for images, I can't resize the image to the size of the layer I created with my fugly graphic skills ;) |
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| 17:16.38 | jeffto | hello ecverybody |
| 17:17.15 | jeffto | is there an K app to search and select wireless conections? |
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| 17:24.47 | Dr_willis | Kubuntu has a network-manager package.. with a nice kde applet not sure what other disrtos have. |
| 17:25.06 | benJIman | yeah that was written by SUSE people |
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| 17:39.21 | mithro | how do I register URL handlers for KDE? |
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| 17:45.38 | steveire | Hey, seeing as Konqueror will be using webkit, will that mean GMail chat will work? |
| 17:45.46 | steveire | in kde4 I mean |
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| 17:47.50 | Jucato | it hasn't been decided if WebKit will replace KHTML by default (which might be unlikely). |
| 17:47.57 | Jucato | also, Gmail chat already works, last I checked |
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| 17:53.32 | steveire | Jucato: Strange. For me it doesn't work on Konq 3.5.5 |
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| 17:54.14 | rubengonc | hello there |
| 17:54.52 | rubengonc | i just uninstalled emacs, but after that, kde stills showing it in the "open with" menu |
| 17:54.55 | rubengonc | how do i remove it? |
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| 18:02.41 | Chaos88 | is there anybody can help me? |
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| 18:04.48 | oGALAXYo | heh he left fast. |
| 18:04.54 | oGALAXYo | probably solved his issue |
| 18:05.11 | Jucato_ | :) |
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| 18:05.44 | benkong2 | any kdm gurus here? hello all |
| 18:06.36 | benkong2 | I want my kdm not to just logout but to offer shutdown also. I am on Suse 10.1 and when I logout I go back to kdm then I can select shutdown. How can I change that? |
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| 18:09.58 | Dr_willis | the kdm config file 'kdmrc' has all sorts of settings. :) (the generic answer) |
| 18:10.52 | benkong2 | Dr_willis: sorry you had to read twice to get my question. but thanks for the response. I'll look there now. |
| 18:11.06 | Dr_willis | I think ya had a 'can' replacing a 'cant' :) |
| 18:11.09 | Jucato_ | more generic answer: KDM normally offers option to logout, restart, and shutdown, |
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| 18:12.01 | Jucato_ | this behavior (having End Session as the only option) only happens to me if I start kde from the command line... |
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| 18:16.14 | Config | Does Konqueror support user-scripts - and if so - how do I enable them? |
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| 18:19.19 | Dr_willis | I recall being able to put scripts in ~/.kde/share/SOMTHING for right-click-menu entries.. |
| 18:19.29 | Dr_willis | 'service menus' perhaps would be what to google for. |
| 18:19.32 | magyar | why is kmail pulling three times the same message from an imap server? |
| 18:19.49 | Config | Dr_willis: no.. that's not what I'm looking for |
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| 18:20.14 | Config | Dr_willis: opera for example allows me to embedd a java-script file into given homepages and adds some feature to the homepage |
| 18:20.25 | Config | quite handy at times |
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| 18:20.58 | Dr_willis | Then ive never seen that feature. |
| 18:21.38 | Config | Dr_willis: in firefox, it's an extension: greasemonkey |
| 18:22.01 | Dr_willis | I use greasemonkey all the time in firefox.. not seen a similer thing in Konqueror. |
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| 18:22.08 | pankey | hey |
| 18:22.15 | Config | :-( |
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| 18:25.02 | GNU\colossus | is there a way to make konqueror use my extra TEN or so mousebuttons? |
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| 18:25.32 | kraetzichriz | hello! Is there a way to enter an e-mail address in koversation? I want to connect to an irc-network which requiers to enter an e-mail address |
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| 18:25.55 | GNU\colossus | kraetzichriz: you might want to ask in #konversation |
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| 18:28.16 | _LinuxCart_ | GNU\colossus: have you look into keyboard shortcuts on kcontrol? |
| 18:28.59 | GNU\colossus | _LinuxCart_: no, actually not - do those support mouse-buttons, too? |
| 18:29.12 | _LinuxCart_ | don't know, but maybe |
| 18:29.16 | GNU\colossus | :D |
| 18:29.16 | _LinuxCart_ | never had that problem |
| 18:29.19 | GNU\colossus | i'll check it out |
| 18:29.54 | Sho_ | oGALAXYo: Your statement about the 256 chars per line is wrong, btw |
| 18:30.57 | Sho_ | pinotree: I did, thanks :) |
| 18:31.03 | pinotree | :) |
| 18:31.13 | Jucato | hi Sho_, pinotree :) |
| 18:31.17 | pinotree | Sho_: are you subscribed to kde-commits? |
| 18:31.27 | GNU\colossus | _LinuxCart_: seems not to work, at least here |
| 18:31.29 | GNU\colossus | any other ideas? |
| 18:31.30 | pinotree | hey Jucato |
| 18:31.49 | Sho_ | pinotree: I use http://commitfilter.kde.org/ as well as CIA to track specific products |
| 18:32.42 | Jucato | Sho_: again, I can't launch Konvi SVN from KDE... have to do it from the command line... this is getting really weird (and annoying...) :( |
| 18:33.12 | Sho_ | pinotree: Nope ;) |
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| 18:34.00 | Sho_ | Jucato: I'd assume the #kubuntu or #debian people could help you with regards to information on how Debian systems assemble the environment your desktop runs in |
| 18:34.07 | _LinuxCart_ | GNU\colossus: you probably should anything lower level |
| 18:34.11 | _LinuxCart_ | xmodmad maybe |
| 18:34.15 | _LinuxCart_ | xmodmap maybe |
| 18:34.26 | pinotree | or imwheel (not sure) |
| 18:34.49 | Jucato | Sho_: yeah... I'll actually ask in #kubuntu-devel on monday. no one seems to know in #kubuntu... |
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| 18:36.48 | Sho_ | Jucato: I'd suggest writing a few lines of bash to export the variables, putting that into a foo.sh and placing it in ~/.kde/env which is usually sourced by startkde |
| 18:37.40 | Jucato | ok I'll give that a try |
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| 18:39.05 | darius | anybody knows how to start kde without kicker |
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| 18:40.15 | MuJ | why would you want to do that? O_o |
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| 18:40.38 | knight17 | how can i install kde in ubuntu |
| 18:40.56 | Jucato | knight17: please ask in #kubuntu. thanks :) |
| 18:41.22 | darius | I want to use some other bar |
| 18:41.29 | darius | may be a karamba bar |
| 18:41.54 | darius | like cleanbar |
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| 18:42.45 | Jucato | darius: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#_Getting_Rid_of_The_Panel |
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| 18:43.52 | MuJ | well there you go =) |
| 18:43.56 | darius | thanks Jucato |
| 18:44.02 | darius | I'll look into it |
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| 18:52.04 | beg1689 | hey guys |
| 18:53.08 | beg1689 | when i enable transparency on the panel, the window list highlights without transparency upon mouseover |
| 18:53.17 | beg1689 | is this normal? it makes it look relaly ugly |
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| 19:06.44 | Gentle | does anybody know how I can get the mime-type of a KURL? |
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| 19:07.30 | Gentle | or is there a KDE-programming specific channel somewhere? |
| 19:07.46 | nceterval | Hello, can anyone tell me what KDE 3 apps use for image thumbnailing? Is this a function of Qt? |
| 19:08.38 | annma | Gentle: kde:kurl |
| 19:08.40 | annma | in konqueror |
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| 19:12.10 | pinotree | annma: wrong |
| 19:12.23 | pinotree | Gentle: kde:kmimetype |
| 19:12.35 | pinotree | the KMimeType class does the job you want |
| 19:12.42 | annma | well from there you find your way pinotree |
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| 19:21.50 | Gentle | what does this sentence try to tell me? "If no extension matches, then the file will be examined if the URL a local file or "application/octet-stream" is returned otherwise." |
| 19:22.38 | Gentle | sounds kind of ambiguous, or there's just a word missing |
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| 19:24.09 | annma | if the url is a local file |
| 19:24.16 | annma | IS is missing probably |
| 19:24.21 | pinotree | Gentle: in kde3, you will always get a mimetype, application/octet-stream |
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| 19:24.27 | pinotree | ... if not known |
| 19:24.39 | pinotree | in kde4, you will get an empty shared pointer |
| 19:24.40 | annma | it's default |
| 19:24.57 | ryanakca | how do I change my keyboard map in KDE without using System Settings? (That particular module is... kaput... for me) |
| 19:25.05 | Gentle | that's kind of bad, can't I ask the http what mime-type it is? the protocol is always http |
| 19:25.17 | annma | ryanakca: use xkb directly from command line |
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| 19:25.28 | pinotree | Gentle: did you look at kmimetype? |
| 19:25.29 | ryanakca | annma: ah |
| 19:25.30 | ryanakca | thanks |
| 19:27.09 | Gentle | pinotree: that's what kmimetype says, the documentation for FindByURL says that it will first look at the filemode, then at the extension and then it will look at the contents if it's a local file. But it's not a local file |
| 19:28.05 | thechris | anyone here know about NFS and how to get symlinks to work? |
| 19:28.12 | annma | Gentle: if there's an extension then the mime type will be found |
| 19:28.30 | pinotree | Gentle: did you look better at the findByURL() arguments? |
| 19:28.31 | Gentle | pinotree: the thing is, that URL has no extensions (mod_rewrite bogus) but Konqueror knows the mime-type when I click the URL, so how does he do that? |
| 19:30.45 | pinotree | Gentle: it starts a job that fetches the first few bytes of the files to try better to find the mimetype |
| 19:30.48 | pinotree | (iirc) |
| 19:30.51 | Gentle | pinotree: they are, in order: the URL, which is clear. the filemode, which I would spontaneously leave at 0. a bool for local file or not, which I would leave at false of course and a bool for fast mode or not, which I'd leave at fast aswell. Nothing that would help me, but I have to admit that fast mode is rather unclear to me |
| 19:31.05 | pinotree | that's why there is the fast_mode |
| 19:31.06 | Gentle | ah, so fast_mode = false does the fetching |
| 19:31.13 | pinotree | the opposite |
| 19:31.24 | pinotree | fast_mode is fast becasue it just looks at the filename |
| 19:31.49 | Gentle | yes, but it's set to false by default |
| 19:32.01 | Gentle | so that's okay |
| 19:32.04 | Gentle | thanks :) |
| 19:32.21 | pinotree | fast_mode = false, then it should take a look at thre file contents |
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| 19:34.12 | Gentle | pinotree: according to http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/kio/html/classKMimeType.html#e4 that's the default setting anyway |
| 19:34.21 | pinotree | yep |
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| 19:42.17 | thechris | NFS users here? |
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| 19:44.25 | T`aZ | hi, i've a kinda technical problem/question |
| 19:44.54 | T`aZ | applications started via a .desktop link doesnt have full user environment variables |
| 19:45.46 | T`aZ | however, the var are defined by the shell launching startx |
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| 19:46.18 | T`aZ | so everything launched from that (including kde) should have these vars, no ? , but it isn't the case, so i'm searching some pointers to understand the issue |
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| 19:47.05 | T`aZ | it worked fine with kde 3.4 (or 3.3 ?) , but i've upgraded a box to 3.5.5 today and it doesnt work anymore |
| 19:51.49 | oGALAXYo | T`aZ: what distro |
| 19:51.57 | Dr_willis | heh - i was about to ask that. :) |
| 19:52.07 | T`aZ | oGALAXYo: none , custom system |
| 19:52.18 | oGALAXYo | then fix it. |
| 19:52.30 | T`aZ | that's the smartest answer ever |
| 19:52.33 | oGALAXYo | usually exported shell variables are known by kde.. |
| 19:52.43 | oGALAXYo | in case you exported them correctly.. |
| 19:52.58 | oGALAXYo | how does your startx shell looks like ? |
| 19:53.05 | oGALAXYo | can you put it on pastebin.net ? |
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| 19:53.34 | oGALAXYo | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ |
| 19:53.38 | oGALAXYo | post it there. |
| 19:53.55 | T`aZ | what do you mean by startx shell, the env variables ? |
| 19:54.06 | oGALAXYo | i thought we speak the same language. |
| 19:54.18 | oGALAXYo | ok lets try differently. |
| 19:54.26 | oGALAXYo | a) where are the variables exported that we speak about ? |
| 19:54.55 | T`aZ | in the .bashrc |
| 19:55.18 | oGALAXYo | ok post .bashrc content to above link |
| 19:56.18 | T`aZ | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kUPATO16.html |
| 19:57.04 | oGALAXYo | ok |
| 19:57.25 | oGALAXYo | in kconsole enter "echo FLAGS" |
| 19:57.29 | oGALAXYo | and tell me what it returns |
| 19:57.53 | oGALAXYo | err |
| 19:58.02 | oGALAXYo | crap xchat |
| 19:58.13 | oGALAXYo | try a different one.. enter "echo %QTDIR" |
| 19:58.28 | T`aZ | echo $QTDIR |
| 19:58.28 | T`aZ | /opt/qt |
| 19:58.32 | oGALAXYo | ok |
| 19:58.36 | oGALAXYo | now do the same with CFLAGS |
| 19:59.09 | T`aZ | -pipe -O3 -march=pentium4 -ffast-math -funit-at-a-time |
| 19:59.20 | oGALAXYo | ok.. thats from within your new kde build ? |
| 19:59.21 | T`aZ | all the vars are defined in that term |
| 19:59.32 | T`aZ | the problem is when a term is _not_ launched |
| 19:59.37 | oGALAXYo | right |
| 19:59.45 | oGALAXYo | the thing is as follows.. |
| 20:00.10 | oGALAXYo | when you launch kconsole a new login shell is created... using your home dir .batchrc file |
| 20:00.47 | oGALAXYo | but once you start kde through kdm or startx (for example) then no login shell is issued.. or through kdm it doesnt know whether its you as user who launched kde... so its better to put that junk into /etc/profile |
| 20:00.59 | T`aZ | yes |
| 20:01.09 | oGALAXYo | kdm ? |
| 20:01.12 | T`aZ | nono |
| 20:01.16 | oGALAXYo | startx |
| 20:01.20 | T`aZ | yes |
| 20:01.40 | oGALAXYo | ok.. so you'd better put that stuff into /etc/profile or into ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:01.56 | T`aZ | it's not required |
| 20:02.04 | T`aZ | startx doesnt erase some env variables |
| 20:02.20 | T`aZ | the one causing problem here is MALLOC_CHECK_ , it's not defined anymore |
| 20:02.20 | oGALAXYo | no but kde doesnt know that you have a .bashrc file. |
| 20:02.36 | oGALAXYo | ok |
| 20:02.45 | T`aZ | but that bashrc file is read by bash when the user is logging in , |
| 20:03.03 | T`aZ | then he types startx , and that var is gone O.o |
| 20:03.14 | oGALAXYo | ok i intitially understood your problem as a general "kde is not seeing my exports anymore" question |
| 20:03.33 | oGALAXYo | maybe unset somewhere inside of kde. |
| 20:03.47 | T`aZ | maybe , that's what i would like to know :p |
| 20:03.53 | oGALAXYo | dunno |
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| 20:10.02 | yumigator | When a Konqueror renders web pages using 72 DPI fonts, they are incredibly small, and 92 DPI fonts look normal. I wouldn't be bothered by this, except other browsers have them all the same size. Is there anyway I can get Konqueror to behave this way too? |
| 20:10.22 | yumigator | Sorry, I meant 96 DPI |
| 20:12.47 | oGALAXYo | yumigator: that depends on your XOrg setup. |
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| 20:13.29 | oGALAXYo | yumigator: the dpi is calculated through your Xorg startup and measured correctly.. thats what kde takes as default.. so it hasn't had to be 96 dpi.. it can either be more or less.. depends on the X and Y size of the monitor picture. |
| 20:14.56 | yumigator | oGALAXYo: Under the "Fonts" section in KControl, there's an option to force DPI, would that work? |
| 20:15.14 | oGALAXYo | first make xorg measure the correct values for dpi |
| 20:15.38 | yumigator | oGALAXYo: I do have 96DPI set in my Device section. |
| 20:15.42 | oGALAXYo | yumigator: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103840 |
| 20:16.00 | oGALAXYo | yumigator: you dont set 96 dpi anywhere.. |
| 20:16.48 | yumigator | oGALAXYo: I'm using Option "UseEdidDpi" "false" and Option "DPI" "96x96" |
| 20:16.51 | oGALAXYo | yumigator: all you can do is provide the DisplaySize flag in xorg |
| 20:17.02 | oGALAXYo | no |
| 20:17.07 | oGALAXYo | DisplaySize is the correct flag to use |
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| 20:17.21 | oGALAXYo | fill it with the physical X and Y size in milimeters |
| 20:17.40 | oGALAXYo | of the physical visible size of your monitor. this will calculate the correct DPI for your monitor. |
| 20:17.54 | oGALAXYo | and dont just set it to 96 dpi.. which is wrong. |
| 20:18.07 | oGALAXYo | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103840#c7 |
| 20:18.28 | oGALAXYo | there are the maths to quickly calculate the correct dpi |
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| 20:21.20 | oGALAXYo | a lot of people simply accept the values that xorg returns (often wrong)... and so they take it as correctly and stay with these values.. most graphicans and artists dont rely on that stuff.. they calculate the correct values on their own and fill it in Xorg.conf as they also do the brightness and color adjustments on their own.. red != red.. |
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| 20:22.06 | oGALAXYo | so first approach is to correct the calculations of xorg (which does it wrong quite often due to not really getting the monitor values).. so you need to manually tell XOrg the X and Y values of your monitor so it can calculate the correct dpi that way. |
| 20:22.31 | oGALAXYo | KDE takes these values and then you can alter the other values to adopt the same dpi size. |
| 20:24.06 | yumigator | So... under my Monitor section I should have DisplaySize 306 230, since that is my physical measurement. |
| 20:24.27 | yumigator | Does XOrg need any more information to calculate DPI, or is that enough? |
| 20:24.59 | oGALAXYo | thats enough |
| 20:25.07 | oGALAXYo | restart X and check the Xorg.log file |
| 20:25.23 | oGALAXYo | search for DPI it tells you the calculated DPI (wrong values) and the one it then sets correctly.. |
| 20:25.36 | oGALAXYo | it might be that your XOrg values are measured correctly but who knows. |
| 20:25.47 | oGALAXYo | with displaysize you force it to be correct. |
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| 20:27.09 | yumigator | I'm going to restart X now, I'll be back on. Thanks for your help. |
| 20:27.15 | oGALAXYo | k |
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| 20:33.30 | edulix_ | hi |
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| 20:33.58 | edulix_ | where is the option to configure the taskbar to show only current desktop windows? |
| 20:34.55 | yumigator | edulix_: right click on the panel, select "Configure Panel" and go to the "Taskbar" section. |
| 20:35.39 | edulix_ | yumigator: I'm using kde 3.5.5 btw |
| 20:35.45 | edulix_ | I don't see the option, maybe I'm blind |
| 20:35.52 | yumigator | oGALAXYo: What am I looking for in the logfile, I can't find anything relevant. |
| 20:36.06 | edulix_ | btw I'm also using xgl (but inside kde) |
| 20:36.15 | yumigator | edulix_: Did you find the Taskbar section? |
| 20:36.20 | edulix_ | (finally it works in my graphic card!) |
| 20:36.25 | edulix_ | yumigator: yes the last one right? |
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| 20:36.59 | beg1689 | hey, how do i change the icon used for the kde menu |
| 20:37.02 | yumigator | edulix_: the first option in the "Taskbar" section, it's a checkbox. |
| 20:37.12 | yumigator | edulix_: uncheck it if it's there. |
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| 20:37.25 | yumigator | edulix_: "Show windows from all desktops" |
| 20:38.31 | beg1689 | also, how do you make the panel COMPLETELY transparent. right now it looks transparent but theres a little "crease" sort of, at the edge where the panel meets the desktop |
| 20:38.40 | edulix_ | yumigator: for some strange reason, that option does not appear there |
| 20:38.56 | edulix_ | yumigator: I'm also crazy, because it's always been there |
| 20:39.22 | yumigator | edulix_: Strange, can't help you then, sorry |
| 20:39.33 | edulix_ | ok thanks anyway |
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| 20:40.44 | BSDTech | ok afternoon all |
| 20:40.54 | BSDTech | where does kmail store email |
| 20:41.04 | BSDTech | I need to backup all my emails |
| 20:41.13 | BSDTech | so I can reinstall my system |
| 20:41.23 | edulix_ | where you tell it to,but usually in $HOME/.kde |
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| 20:42.33 | BSDTech | kmail needs a way to export mail |
| 20:42.44 | BSDTech | not finding a way in kmail |
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| 20:43.25 | edulix_ | ok enough of XGL, I'll use configure it better later on |
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| 20:44.03 | conn | Hi, I'm on K/ubuntu Edgy 6.10. When I try to copy an audio CD via k3b, I see "Cddb error (communication error.)." - can anyone help? |
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| 20:46.17 | conn | I'm connected to the net while copying the cd, and gnome apps such as "sound juicer" retrieve the track info fine |
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| 20:47.06 | mmiikkee12 | how do i make the clock use am/pm time instead of 24-hour? |
| 20:48.39 | BSDTech | not finding all the mail |
| 20:48.42 | BSDTech | grrrr |
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| 20:54.09 | SAS_Spidey01 | Does any one know if mouse themes are stored some where under KDEs prefix or with X11 ? |
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| 20:55.45 | beg1689 | mmiikkee12: right click the clock, choose "Adjust Date & Time Format" |
| 20:55.55 | beg1689 | oops |
| 20:56.13 | beg1689 | just Date & Time Format, not Adjust |
| 20:56.19 | mmiikkee12 | beg1689: the time shows correctly there |
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| 20:56.37 | beg1689 | click the "Time & Dates" tab, |
| 20:56.44 | beg1689 | its set right in Time format? |
| 20:56.59 | mmiikkee12 | got it, had to restart kicker |
| 20:57.06 | beg1689 | :p |
| 20:57.09 | beg1689 | :-P |
| 20:57.19 | beg1689 | well i tried |
| 20:57.35 | beg1689 | can someone tell me how to change the kmenu icon? |
| 20:57.59 | aseigo | beg1689: replace the icon in the icon theme. only way currently, sorry. |
| 20:58.19 | beg1689 | also, i asked before, how to make the panel completely transparent |
| 20:58.29 | aseigo | define "completely" |
| 20:58.40 | beg1689 | it just slightly tinted different, event hough i turned the tint all the way down |
| 20:58.52 | beg1689 | it shows a sort of crease betweent he panel and background edge |
| 20:59.11 | yumigator | beg1689: set the tint color to pure white |
| 20:59.20 | aseigo | try setting the tint colour to white |
| 20:59.22 | aseigo | exactly |
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| 20:59.41 | beg1689 | it is.. upon closer inspection it looks like there might be a shadow effect at the top |
| 21:00.03 | BSDTech | I cant find where kmail hides mail |
| 21:00.13 | BSDTech | is should use Mail |
| 21:00.15 | BSDTech | grr |
| 21:00.29 | BSDTech | or a dir called kmail |
| 21:00.43 | BSDTech | anyone know as I need to backup my email |
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| 21:05.26 | BSDTech | I just forwarded it all |
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| 21:07.51 | jjlee | Anybody here use Adept Notifier? |
| 21:08.13 | wolsni | i do |
| 21:08.46 | jjlee | I'm not really sure what it's doing under the hood on my ubuntu machine (been a while since I used a debian system) |
| 21:08.54 | treat | is it not possible to only have one panel transparent? |
| 21:09.26 | jjlee | when I request the updater to "cancel changes" for an update, the notifier still tells me about that update |
| 21:10.03 | treat | and what does "Dock application bar" do? |
| 21:10.08 | wolsni | jjlee: that's what it does for me too |
| 21:10.20 | jjlee | ...so apparently "cancel changes" is some purely GUI thing, and does not tell the underlying apt / dpkg layer that I don't want the damned update :-/ |
| 21:10.35 | wolsni | jjlee: so far as I can tell, yes |
| 21:10.46 | jjlee | wolsni: hmm |
| 21:11.12 | jjlee | but there *is* some notion in apt, dpkg or whatever of "what the user wants" state, isn't there? |
| 21:11.42 | jjlee | ISTR that from dselect, anyway... |
| 21:11.42 | wolsni | yes |
| 21:11.42 | jjlee | and aptitude has these p, i, etc. states |
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| 21:11.50 | jjlee | so why does not this updater thingy set the appropriate state? |
| 21:12.01 | jjlee | rather than forget every single time? |
| 21:12.38 | jjlee | it's going to drive me potty unless I switch it off or solve it somehow :-) |
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| 21:13.08 | jjlee | wolsni: sure, I'm just venting my spleen at the world in general |
| 21:13.29 | wolsni | you can disable updating to a specific version by running 'aptitude forbid <package>' in a shell |
| 21:13.59 | wolsni | you'll still be alerted to later updates |
| 21:14.30 | wolsni | sorry, make that 'aptitude forbid-version <package>' |
| 21:14.50 | jjlee | wolsni: thanks |
| 21:15.12 | jjlee | possibly I should just purge this particular package, since it's a kernel, and I'm running my own kernel |
| 21:15.35 | jjlee | though maybe that would make things go bad if it gets upset about dependencies, not sure |
| 21:16.14 | wolsni | jjlee: you can preview the changes that will be made due to dependencies |
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| 21:18.00 | jjlee | aptitude -s? Yeah, but if I actually remove the kernel, I suspect it will still be fundamentally confused (but I don't understand the debian system, as will be clear ;-) |
| 21:18.47 | jjlee | Getting OT, but I guess my real problem is that I never got a real overview of the debian packaging system -- too many "trees" (man pages), not enough "wood" |
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| 21:24.49 | drkm | does anyone know here why Konversation has a + or - at the begining of anything someone says in a channel? |
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| 21:27.11 | stoned | drkm, #konversation |
| 21:28.12 | drkm | stoned: thanks |
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| 21:34.08 | qupada | anyone feel they can come up with a particularly good reason why all of a sudden the system tray applet has decided that it's not going to hide most of my icons, despite them being set to hidden in ~/.kde/share/config/systemtray_panelappletrc |
| 21:37.13 | stoned | qupada, because of the bug |
| 21:37.14 | stoned | qupada, I don't know which, but it could be a bug |
| 21:37.19 | qupada | which bug might this be? |
| 21:37.24 | stoned | forget I said the first line |
| 21:37.26 | stoned | I was stoned |
| 21:37.31 | stoned | well, I mean.. I'm still stoned |
| 21:37.33 | stoned | but... |
| 21:37.46 | tuxick | now you can't remember? |
| 21:37.51 | stoned | huh |
| 21:37.53 | qupada | fair enough |
| 21:38.11 | stoned | qupada, you like cricket? |
| 21:39.08 | qupada | the insects or the game? :P |
| 21:39.14 | stoned | lol |
| 21:39.39 | stoned | if you notice, you said it yourself., insects, if I were referring to the insects, I would have pluralized crickets |
| 21:39.48 | stoned | but the game |
| 21:40.32 | stoned | it is hey cool my new cd is done |
| 21:40.33 | stoned | brb |
| 21:40.43 | qupada | well it's a good excuse to sit in the sun drinking beer. past that i'm not too much of a fan |
| 21:41.10 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:41.41 | stoned | I'm not into it that much, but I like watching good cricket, not the ametuer lame kind |
| 21:42.08 | lenscape | good + cricket? Not sure they work together :-) |
| 21:42.29 | stoned | yeah they do |
| 21:42.34 | lenscape | zzzzzzzzzz |
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| 21:42.40 | stoned | lol |
| 21:42.51 | stoned | crickets chirping while Cricket is playing |
| 21:42.52 | stoned | lol |
| 21:43.01 | stoned | lenscape, you're a tool lol |
| 21:43.11 | stoned | hey where is Renze |
| 21:43.15 | stoned | Renze, wakey wakey |
| 21:43.21 | lenscape | at least you can get a good kip at a cricket match. Football is too noisy |
| 21:43.26 | qupada | probably asleep, given it's 10:45am on sunday morning |
| 21:43.41 | Renze | mmhh? |
| 21:43.58 | stoned | dude |
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| 21:44.08 | stoned | some people got put in jail for buttfucking in texas |
| 21:44.20 | stoned | how the hell? |
| 21:44.22 | qupada | Renze: time to wake up and see the sunshine that we're not getting today here in wellington |
| 21:44.27 | stoned | its retarded |
| 21:44.35 | stoned | the appeal was denied |
| 21:44.47 | stoned | Renze, you're already awake |
| 21:45.02 | Renze | no, I'm sleep-typing |
| 21:45.06 | stoned | Renze, I just wanted to let you know that you are a tool :) |
| 21:45.12 | Renze | I know |
| 21:45.13 | stoned | Renze, you can go back to sleep now |
| 21:45.14 | stoned | :) |
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| 21:47.53 | Frederick | folks how do I enable smart completation in kate? |
| 21:49.18 | benJIman | Frederick: it's only semi smart |
| 21:49.45 | benJIman | settings -> configure kate -> plugins -> ktexteditor word completion plugin |
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| 21:54.50 | Frederick | benJIman: Danke |
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| 22:03.22 | akan01n | hi, how can i stop Konqueror to open files inside? like when i click a image it opens inside konqueror, i dont want this behavior |
| 22:06.10 | Jucato | akan01n: Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations, select the file type group (image, text, video, etc), set Left click action to Show file in separate viewer |
| 22:06.32 | akan01n | Jucato: i have already did that |
| 22:06.53 | akan01n | ohhh.. inside konqueror |
| 22:06.55 | akan01n | sorry |
| 22:07.04 | Jucato | akan01n: well, it can also be done in KControl |
| 22:07.49 | akan01n | everything is set to separete window and still opens inside |
| 22:07.51 | Jucato | akan01n: sometimes, you have to try each file type, go to the Embedding tab, and make sure that "Use settings for '_____' group" is checked/enabled |
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| 22:08.31 | akan01n | ok, thanks |
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| 22:08.34 | akan01n | =) |
| 22:08.42 | Imagine | I'm havin a problem with IMAP and Kmail |
| 22:08.49 | Imagine | it says connection timed out |
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| 22:09.51 | Imagine | When I'm using it with Windows Microsoft outlook tho, it works perfectly... |
| 22:09.51 | chimaera | hi. i have problems receiving encrypted mail with kmail. i can send w/o problems, but can't open (error: bad passphrase). |
| 22:12.21 | Jaywalker | Any reason KDE wouldn't let me set my screen to 1920x1200 as i defined in xorg.conf? |
| 22:12.25 | Imagine | Well.. it would be cool to know if it's not workin properly, I would use another program while it's not workin... |
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| 22:13.47 | chimaera | Jaywalker: has nothing to do with kde i guess. x.org is not setting the resolution correctly. |
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| 22:14.12 | Jaywalker | Well, in kcontrol it doesn't even say it has that high of resolution avaiable |
| 22:14.29 | chimaera | because x.org doesn't make it available. |
| 22:14.39 | Jaywalker | but the mandriva control center does |
| 22:15.00 | chimaera | don't know mandriva. |
| 22:15.04 | Jaywalker | Nor do I |
| 22:15.12 | Jaywalker | I just installed it because SUSE yelled at me |
| 22:15.15 | Jaywalker | Lol. |
| 22:15.49 | chimaera | afaik, kde let's you choose what has been 'approved' by x.org. check x.orgs log at /var/log/X.log or something. |
| 22:16.12 | chimaera | anyhow, no KDE issue. |
| 22:16.23 | Jaywalker | Alright, i'll read the log. |
| 22:16.49 | chimaera | do you happen do have an ATI card? |
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| 22:17.39 | Jaywalker | No clue. I'm not much of a hardware guy. I just do code usually |
| 22:17.49 | wasp_ems | hello..does anyone know if i can install the basic kde without all of its utilities and programs on..so i can customise it as i want? |
| 22:18.06 | Half-Left | wasp_ems: sure you can |
| 22:19.35 | Imagine | anyone using IMAP with Kontact? |
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| 22:19.45 | Imagine | Kmail i'm sorry |
| 22:19.47 | chimaera | with kmail, yes. |
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| 22:20.28 | Imagine | well, I set mine up and it doesn't wanna work.. it says that agora.ulaval.ca timed out |
| 22:21.23 | chimaera | Imagine: unreachable via ICMP. |
| 22:21.24 | Imagine | on Outlook it work like a charm.. is it possible Suse10.2 has something installed that is screwin Kmail? or it's just Kmail that is bugged? |
| 22:21.35 | ejm | help me please, I'm an idiot who installed kde 4 beta. |
| 22:21.36 | ejm | jk |
| 22:21.45 | ejm | about the help part. |
| 22:21.55 | Imagine | wow... you'll need to explain plz |
| 22:22.18 | Half-Left | KDE4 is not in beta |
| 22:22.21 | ejm | is there a list of what works with kde 4 so far. |
| 22:22.32 | chimaera | Imagine: i just tried to ping the server. might be they just discard those packages, or that the server is down atm. |
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| 22:22.38 | LinuxCart | Hello |
| 22:22.42 | Imagine | chimaera |
| 22:22.50 | Imagine | go into your firefox app and write it down |
| 22:22.55 | Imagine | agora.ulaval.ca |
| 22:22.57 | Imagine | it will show up |
| 22:23.36 | LinuxCart | I have a problem locking kde session when hibernating using the hibernate script |
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| 22:23.51 | LinuxCart | this is the line locked=`dcop --session "$session" --all-users kdesktop KScreensaverIface isBlanked` |
| 22:23.53 | Psych0 | hi there... |
| 22:24.05 | chimaera | Imagine: jupp, it does. mhh, maybe wrong port number or somthing like this? |
| 22:24.16 | LinuxCart | the problem is that variable locked doesn't get the value false which is the result of the command |
| 22:24.18 | Imagine | well they say to use 995 or 993 |
| 22:24.30 | Imagine | SSL |
| 22:24.56 | chimaera | Imagine: no idea then. |
| 22:25.08 | Imagine | well I'll try to use other mail appz |
| 22:25.18 | Imagine | see if it's SUse or Kmail the issue |
| 22:25.24 | Imagine | might be a firewall thing.. |
| 22:26.29 | Psych0 | i have a little problem here with K3B... i have a CD-recorder and a DVD Recorder... i wanna burn a DVD... i created the project, but when I click on the BURN it says Please Insert a Double Layer DVD+-R medium |
| 22:26.56 | Psych0 | it's the first time i'm going to burn a DVD.. so i don't understand much about it... |
| 22:27.44 | Half-Left | Psych0: tell it to use your cdr |
| 22:28.04 | mobiletux | trying to burn a DVD |
| 22:28.29 | Psych0 | yeap.. a DVD.. the project has 4.4Gb |
| 22:29.01 | Half-Left | dvd* |
| 22:29.10 | Half-Left | gah |
| 22:29.10 | mobiletux | strange mine doesn;t support double layer but haven't had a issue burning |
| 22:29.34 | Psych0 | and the DVD has 4.7gb... in the medium info it says that the DVD is empty |
| 22:29.54 | mobiletux | but you can't use full 4.7 |
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| 22:31.04 | Psych0 | Half-Left, i think it is already seted to use the DVD recorder.. but anyway, how do i check? |
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| 22:32.20 | mobiletux | when you hit burn should have a drop down menu, with your devices |
| 22:32.26 | Half-Left | Psych0: I think it's in the dialog that comes up when you burn |
| 22:33.04 | Psych0 | Half-Left, so.. it's writen there to isert a double layer DVD.... |
| 22:33.17 | Psych0 | i think it's because of the size of project.. leme try deleting some files... |
| 22:34.22 | Psych0 | hum.. yeah.. that was it... |
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| 22:35.22 | Psych0 | it's burning :p |
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| 22:41.33 | admin_ | how can I "optimize" KDE for my slower computer? Such as no window effects or junk like that? |
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| 22:42.08 | r3set | simply run kpersonalizer, _admin |
| 22:42.15 | admin_ | r3set: Thanks |
| 22:42.16 | r3set | *admin_ |
| 22:42.29 | admin_ | r3set: What kind of IRC client are you running? |
| 22:42.35 | r3set | xchat |
| 22:42.47 | r3set | why, any charset errors? |
| 22:42.55 | admin_ | oh, since you mispelled nick, possibly you could press tab to get the nick |
| 22:43.08 | admin_ | (I use IRSSI, its in a shell, therefore tab will fill in nick) |
| 22:43.29 | mobiletux | works in kopete as well |
| 22:44.03 | r3set | i think i've found it |
| 22:45.00 | admin_ | ah ok |
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| 22:46.03 | r3set | thx, now when i press tab key, the nickname gets automatically completed |
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| 22:50.04 | iturk | hi there i have downloaded a "windows decorations" for KDE how can i install it ?? |
| 22:50.19 | iturk | by the way i already untar it i get only one file and no readme about how to install |
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| 22:53.05 | chimaera | iturk: those have to be compiled. |
| 22:53.52 | iturk | chimaera: ok tell me a link of how to do it or if its simple tell me step by step if its possible !! |
| 22:55.34 | chimaera | iturk: well, it depends. if oyu have teh required libs and headers installed, piece of cake. you may also want to consider the distributions package management system. having said that, ./configure && make && make install is the way to go. pretty sure it won't be that smooth, though. |
| 22:56.05 | chimaera | iturk: check kde-look.org if there are pre-compiled packages for your distribution available. |
| 22:56.14 | iturk | chimaera: i do everythink using apt-get install |
| 22:56.33 | chimaera | iturk: doesn't matter. |
| 22:56.47 | iturk | chimaera: i took the window decoration from that side |
| 22:56.50 | iturk | site |
| 22:57.50 | iturk | chimaera: but i understand that kung fu of ./configure make && make install so just tell me the steps !! |
| 23:00.04 | ataxic | iturk: just compile and install it |
| 23:00.47 | ataxic | thats what I did once with some deco and it appeared in kcontrol>window decoration |
| 23:01.52 | ataxic | uhm, damn |
| 23:01.52 | iturk | ataxic: which compiler should i use gcc |
| 23:01.52 | ataxic | I thought this was slackware... |
| 23:01.52 | iturk | ataxic: is there any makefile for that ? |
| 23:01.52 | ataxic | isn't there a configure ? |
| 23:01.53 | iturk | ataxic: i only have one file i cannot do ./configure |
| 23:02.02 | ataxic | no Makefile? |
| 23:02.23 | ataxic | or README |
| 23:02.44 | iturk | ataxic: yes no makefile just one file -> DarkLight.emerald |
| 23:02.49 | ataxic | i mean if thats not included I would personally rm the lot and move on to something else |
| 23:02.50 | iturk | before was a tar.gz |
| 23:02.58 | Renze | that's a theme for the emerald window manager, not KDE |
| 23:03.10 | Renze | emerald is part of beryl |
| 23:03.21 | ataxic | whats emerald/beryl? |
| 23:03.29 | ataxic | sounds vaguely familiar |
| 23:03.33 | Renze | 3d accelerated window manager |
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| 23:03.41 | Renze | beryl is a fork of compiz |
| 23:03.57 | iturk | Renze: hmm i see |
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| 23:04.27 | ataxic | i'm gonna watch the DA vinci code |
| 23:04.31 | ataxic | laterz |
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| 23:11.41 | huXfluX | hello all! When I press CTRL in Konqueror, some boxes with a single letter in each appears. How can I disable this ?! |
| 23:13.12 | Jonty | They're letters which, if you press, go to the links the boxes are by |
| 23:13.22 | pinotree | accessibility keys |
| 23:13.33 | huXfluX | where? |
| 23:13.43 | huXfluX | how to disable them? |
| 23:13.49 | benJIman | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings |
| 23:13.55 | benJIman | They're one of konqueror's greatest features though |
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| 23:15.06 | huXfluX | oh yes |
| 23:15.11 | huXfluX | thank you benJIman ! |
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| 23:15.39 | huXfluX | i was waiting for an aswer in #fedora since: |
| 23:15.40 | huXfluX | [22:59] --> You have joined the channel #fedora |
| 23:15.47 | huXfluX | and now it's |
| 23:15.48 | huXfluX | [01:13] <benJIman> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings |
| 23:15.48 | huXfluX | :D |
| 23:16.39 | huXfluX | oh my god |
| 23:16.42 | huXfluX | benJIman !!! |
| 23:16.50 | huXfluX | it says there: |
| 23:16.51 | huXfluX | just issue the following command in shell |
| 23:16.51 | huXfluX | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.52 | huXfluX | kwriteconfig --file ~/.kde/share/config/khtmlrc --group "Access Keys" --key Enabled --type bool false |
| 23:16.53 | huXfluX | but |
| 23:17.17 | huXfluX | # |
| 23:17.17 | huXfluX | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.17 | huXfluX | cat: /root/.kde/share/config/khtmlrc: No such file or directory |
| 23:17.27 | huXfluX | :o what to dooooo |
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| 23:18.05 | Renze | as user, not root |
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| 23:18.10 | Kibou | root... |
| 23:18.43 | huXfluX | doesn't matter |
| 23:18.58 | huXfluX | # locate khtmlrc |
| 23:18.58 | huXfluX | [root:devnull][~]# |
| 23:19.02 | huXfluX | :( |
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| 23:24.07 | zabi | Hi how do i take a screenshot of my desktop? i am searching for a kde applet or something similar to gnome screenshot |
| 23:24.20 | |LinuxCart| | kscreenshot |
| 23:24.24 | bline | zabi: print Screen button does it here |
| 23:24.41 | |LinuxCart| | yes, but you need that app |
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| 23:24.50 | zabi | nope it does not :( |
| 23:25.02 | |LinuxCart| | zabi: distro¿? |
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| 23:25.09 | Renze | ksnapshot |
| 23:25.22 | |LinuxCart| | sure, sorry :@ |
| 23:25.42 | zabi | |LinuxCart|: Thanks ...i will try that |
| 23:25.48 | zabi | :) |
| 23:25.57 | unity | hi, when clicking print in the print dialog in kpdf, it crashes with the message: kpdf: symbol lookup error: "/usr/kde/3.5/lib/kde3/libkpdfpart.so: undefined symbol: _ZN11PSOutputDevC1EPcP4XRefP7Catalogii9PSOutModeiiiiiiii" |
| 23:26.00 | unity | what can i do? |
| 23:26.16 | Renze | unity: mismatched versions? |
| 23:26.29 | Renze | unity: different versions of gcc used to build different parts? |
| 23:27.06 | unity | Renze: i doubt it... |
| 23:27.14 | pinotree | Renze: gentoo? |
| 23:27.29 | unity | Renze: recently, i rebuild poppler, though, and i think poppler renders pdf's for kpdf |
| 23:27.30 | pinotree | grr |
| 23:27.42 | Renze | pinotree: it's easy to mess up gentoo if the user doesn't know what he/she is doing |
| 23:27.45 | pinotree | unity: kpdf does NOT uses poppler |
| 23:28.11 | pinotree | you're not using kpdf, but some sort of modified version that uses an UNTESTED 3rd part library |
| 23:28.30 | unity | pinotree: yes, that is correct |
| 23:28.43 | unity | pinotree: would rebuilding kpdf do anything for me? |
| 23:28.56 | pinotree | rebuild it WITHOUT the poppler patch |
| 23:29.07 | pinotree | Renze: because you're lucky |
| 23:29.17 | Renze | I don't believe in luck |
| 23:30.21 | pinotree | i do a bit, especially when i see kpdf bugs closed because of different rendering due to untested changes in kpdf |
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| 23:33.53 | pinotree | Renze: oh, and i forgot to say that for a patched version of kpdf (to make it use poppler), we kpdf/okular developers give _no_ support |
| 23:34.07 | Renze | pinotree: I've never asked for any ;) |
| 23:34.41 | Renze | (never needed to - works flawlessly) |
| 23:34.59 | |LinuxCart| | pinotree: I've seen the TSDgeos posts :) |
| 23:35.06 | pinotree | good |
| 23:35.36 | LinuxCart | I understand him |
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| 23:57.55 | pierreth | Hi, do you know how I can set the position for the default button? |
| 23:58.24 | LinuxCart | no |
| 23:58.36 | LinuxCart | :D what default button |
| 23:59.33 | pierreth | LinuxCart: The OK button is dialogs |
| 23:59.42 | pierreth | in, I mean |