irclog2html for #kde on 20061224

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`00:00.14`	`setog3`	`k last thing for this night`
`00:00.30`	`setog3`	`how can I set the windows key to works like in windows environment ?`
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`00:01.00`	`logixoul`	`you mean open kickoff?`
`00:01.28`	`logixoul`	`s/kickoff/kmenu/`
`00:01.58`	`logixoul`	`setog3: you mean you want Win-key to open your KMenu?`
`00:02.05`	`logixoul`	`[damn where's apt]`
`00:02.28`	`Renze`	`what is this "windows" you speak of?`
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`00:03.01`	`logixoul`	`presumably MS Windows`
`00:03.15`	`Renze`	`oh, that crappy OS I used once in 1998...`
`00:03.17`	`setog3`	`Renze: not sure .. but a system exploitation that I try in my university .. same logo like on my keyboard windows key`
`00:03.44`	`logixoul`	`:)`
`00:06.14`	`setog3`	`:D`
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`00:06.38`	`logixoul`	`Renze: you use Mobility Radeon 9600 M10?`
`00:06.42`	`intrade`	`i still got my xp to breed trojans`
`00:06.50`	`Renze`	`no, just a standard Radeon 9600`
`00:07.14`	`Renze`	`I don't own a laptop yet`
`00:07.35`	`logixoul`	`Renze: xgl should work with ati-drivers-8.22.5 according to http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Video_Card_Support_Under_XGL`
`00:07.47`	`Renze`	`logixoul: tried it... didn't work`
`00:07.57`	`logixoul`	`ok`
`00:08.02`	`madd_matt`	`I'm using composite for transparancy. I was wondering if there was any way to get it so The Gimp would always be fully opaque? At least, the document window. I have inactive windows set to be 70% opaque.`
`00:08.07`	`Renze`	`and I have no desire to try xgl anyway, I already have aiglx`
`00:08.44`	`Sho_`	`Anyone remember the name of that chm viewer for KDE?`
`00:08.46`	`Renze`	`and I'm never using fglrx again... too badly coded`
`00:08.49`	`logixoul`	`madd_matt: what window manager do you use?`
`00:08.51`	`logixoul`	`Sho_: kchm`
`00:09.01`	`Sho_`	`thanks (how easy ;)`
`00:09.05`	`logixoul`	`yeah ;)`
`00:09.06`	`Renze`	`app-doc/kchmviewer`
`00:09.10`	`logixoul`	`that too`
`00:09.25`	`madd_matt`	`logixoul, uh, the kde one? I'm running a pretty standard kde 3.5.5 on gentoo.....`
`00:09.42`	`logixoul`	`madd_matt: aha, kwin with kompmgr then`
`00:09.48`	`logixoul`	`madd_matt: yes, it's possible to do that`
`00:09.50`	`logixoul`	`madd_matt: wait`
`00:10.12`	`madd_matt`	`I found custom settings, but it needs a window class, which I have absolutely no idea how to find out`
`00:10.20`	`Sho_`	`kchmviewer seems to work fine`
`00:11.16`	`logixoul`	`madd_matt: window menu of Gimp->advanced->window-specific settings (this will fill the winclass field automagically)`
`00:11.25`	`madd_matt`	`Great!`
`00:11.34`	`logixoul`	`yep, KDE is Great.`
`00:11.52`	`madd_matt`	`Tis why I use it ;)`
`00:12.44`	`setog3`	`YES KDE IS GREEAAAT`
`00:13.05`	`err0r`	`yes :D`
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`00:14.38`	`setog3`	`ok last question for this night (nobody want to answer me about windows key..) ,, does exist an app (a killing app) in kde that can understand what I want to do, for example if I write the name of an mp3 kde search it for me and play it in my player, if I write the name of a debian package kde download it and install (or only run adept), if I write a web url kde run konqueror for me, ..`
`00:14.46`	`setog3`	`like an universal search engine`
`00:14.52`	`setog3`	`and action system`
`00:14.56`	`logixoul`	`setog3: about windows key i asked you a question`
`00:15.27`	`logixoul`	`setog3: you mean you want Win-key to open your KMenu?`
`00:15.37`	`setog3`	`logixoul: yes like in windows (to display the menu, because for now I need to have windows key and another one)`
`00:16.32`	`logixoul`	`setog3: yes, you can do that. the way i recommend is switching from kwin to AIGLX/Beryl`
`00:17.28`	`logixoul`	`setog3: about your last question, yes, a very similar app is called Kerry and is available at kde-apps.org`
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`00:18.26`	`logixoul`	`setog3: or Kickoff (this one's closer to what you want but runs only on SUSE and Kubuntu)`
`00:18.29`	`setog3`	`ok logixoul if this app exist .. !!! apt-get install kerry !!!`
`00:18.32`	`logixoul`	`setog3: or Katapult`
`00:18.42`	`logixoul`	`setog3: no idea, i don't use Debian`
`00:18.57`	`logixoul`	`but try it`
`00:18.57`	`setog3`	`I allready try katapult last year .. but dont do think like that`
`00:18.59`	`setog3`	`thx logixoul`
`00:19.04`	`logixoul`	`np.`
`00:19.10`	`setog3`	`I think I will use kde for a longtime thx all`
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`00:22.26`	`madd_matt`	`I wonder if something else is possible: When I minimise a window, it reopens and switches me to the virtual desktop it was minimised on. Would it be possible to get it to open on the one i'm currently working on?`
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`00:23.01`	`OpenStandards`	`night`
`00:23.15`	`logixoul`	`madd_matt: i don't understand. how does it "reopen"?`
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`00:24.12`	`madd_matt`	`Well this was just a bit of a ramble. Don't worry about it, because I already don't like my own idea.`
`00:25.27`	`logixoul`	`k`
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`00:30.42`	`setog3`	`logixoul: AIGLX/Beryl is good ? .. I think I will try it .. but I need to redefine all the windows decoration , the shortcut .. all`
`00:31.03`	`logixoul`	`yes, but it's pretty much worth it`
`00:31.58`	`setog3`	`ok .. I will do this .. if I found an easy way to install it on debian unstable`
`00:32.52`	`Crell`	`OK, stupid question. How do I force an external taskbar on kicker to be one row instead of 2?`
`00:33.02`	`Crell`	`I've done it before, but can't for the life of me remember now.`
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`00:36.40`	`nos^`	`hi`
`00:37.19`	`nos^`	`having trouble installing themes via the kde control panel, theme manager, any ideas, if I untar my themes the .theme files dont show up ... :(`
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`00:43.37`	`intrade`	`nos^:`
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`01:18.51`	`Dr_willis`	`themes and the parts to them.. can be such an annoyance. :)`
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`01:20.22`	`Jucato`	`what kind of themes Dr_willis?`
`01:20.55`	`err0r^`	`wtf?`
`01:21.32`	`Dr_willis`	`Jucato, just in general i see way too many peoplke stumbling over the packages at kde-look.org and trying to install 'stuff' :)`
`01:21.56`	`Dr_willis`	`but with great flexability comes great responsibility.`
`01:21.58`	`Jucato`	`Dr_willis: because kde-looks is one big mess of improperly categorized "themes"`
`01:22.07`	`Dr_willis`	`Yep thats part of the issue.`
`01:22.23`	`Dr_willis`	`I just tend to use 'Plastik' heh heh..`
`01:22.35`	`Jucato`	`KDE's theming mechanism, although far from perfect, is clear and unambiguous. :)`
`01:23.01`	`Dr_willis`	`find me a url i can send these total noobs to then.`
`01:23.05`	`Jucato`	`widget styles do not belong in the same category as (KDE) themes (.kth)`
`01:23.14`	`Jucato`	`Dr_willis: better yet, I'll send you a doc :)`
`01:23.17`	`Dr_willis`	`Im sick of trying to explain it all to them in terms a windows-zombie can understand.`
`01:23.25`	`Dr_willis`	`put it on your wiki. :)`
`01:23.45`	`Jucato`	`Dr_willis: I didn't put it on my wiki. I put it in the KDE User's Guide`
`01:23.45`	`fiendskull9`	`it took me along time to get used to the idea of kde "themes"`
`01:23.49`	`fiendskull9`	`all the different crap`
`01:23.53`	`fiendskull9`	`thats the one thing i liked about gnome`
`01:23.58`	`fiendskull9`	`the AIO themes`
`01:24.30`	`Jucato`	`fiendskull9: you'll find that what you consider as "theming" in gnome... is actually just the equivalent of changing/installing color schemes`
`01:24.31`	`Dr_willis`	`too many other programs/things use the term 'theme' in ways that are just different enough from how kde uses the term..`
`01:24.42`	`Jucato`	`Dr_willis: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-desktop.html`
`01:25.07`	`Jucato`	`Dr_willis: take note, though, that Kubuntu users might not easily be able to apply these`
`01:25.32`	`Dr_willis`	`let me check my 'aliasl`
`01:25.33`	`Dr_willis`	`heh`
`01:25.35`	`Dr_willis`	`Kde Theme Basics/Info read --> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-desktop.html`
`01:25.48`	`Jucato`	`I promise to make the equivalent Kubuntu guide in the next one or two weeks...`
`01:26.25`	`Jucato`	`Dr_willis: if you're giving the info to Kubuntu users, you might want to inform them that everything in that guide, except the KDE Theme Manager, can be found in System Settings -> Appearance`
`01:26.25`	`Dr_willis`	`heh yea..`
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`01:26.55`	`Dr_willis`	`I think that 'settings' applet should be included in the panel by default. :)`
`01:26.56`	`Jucato`	`in 3.5.6, you can just tell them to read the docs :P`
`01:27.02`	`Dr_willis`	`heh..`
`01:27.25`	`Jucato`	`Dr_willis: that's something for distros to decide. as far as KDE is concerned, everything is in KControl :)`
`01:27.36`	`Dr_willis`	`I think a lot of confusion is the way the word 'theme' is used way too much.`
`01:28.20`	`Dr_willis`	`of course the windows guys expect the 'theme' files to be just 1 'file' not a 'set' of componants. (i guess is the clearist way to state it)`
`01:28.22`	`Jucato`	`the word itself, by itself, is ambiguous. not counting that GNOME, KDE, and Windows use the term in different ways.`
`01:28.38`	`Dr_willis`	`from that url --> "An icon theme contains the images used to represent actions "`
`01:28.45`	`Jucato`	`Dr_willis: that is where the KDE theming mechanism is "far from perfect"`
`01:28.59`	`Dr_willis`	`heh heh. perhaps 'An Icon theme 'package' ' ? package is almost as vage`
`01:29.23`	`Dr_willis`	`an Icon theme pack ?`
`01:29.28`	`Jucato`	`Dr_willis: we can't always be sure that the icon theme will come in a package`
`01:29.41`	`Dr_willis`	`an Icon theme suitcase`
`01:29.42`	`Dr_willis`	`:)`
`01:29.44`	`Jucato`	`it's not ambiguous. it's an "icon theme". not just a "theme"`
`01:29.57`	`Jucato`	`ok, now that's just adding to the confusion :P`
`01:30.10`	`Dr_willis`	`lets name them after animals!`
`01:30.32`	`Dr_willis`	`an icon theme pouch, contains the joeys that are part of the species.`
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`01:30.47`	`Dr_willis`	`watching Animal Planet at the moment. :)`
`01:30.55`	`madd_matt`	`but what happens when the joeys grow up?`
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`01:31.03`	`Jucato`	`anyway, if no further help is needed... I'm going to hit the proverbial sack`
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`01:31.14`	`Dr_willis`	`They become really Cute animals that can kick the Snot ouf of you.`
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`01:31.57`	`ner0x`	`I am unable to write Cds with k3b, error message: /usr/bin/cdrecord: A write error occured.`
`01:32.13`	`madd_matt`	`ner0x, have you tried burning one using cdrecord?`
`01:32.34`	`ner0x`	`madd_matt: No, I have only .mp3 files, don't know how to convert them.`
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`01:34.11`	`Crell`	`OK, stupid question. How do I force an external taskbar on kicker to be one row instead of 2?`
`01:34.13`	`Crell`	`I've done it before, but can't for the life of me remember now.`
`01:34.28`	`Jucato`	`Crell: set the size of the panel to be large enough for 2 rows`
`01:34.35`	`Jucato`	`er.. size of the external taskbar`
`01:34.36`	`cookedham`	`well well have to say injoying the tour`
`01:34.47`	`Crell`	`Set it where?`
`01:35.05`	`Jucato`	`Crell: right-click on the external taskbar -> Configure Panel`
`01:35.06`	`Crell`	`The Size field of Configure KDE Panel / Arrangement is only applying to the main taskbar.`
`01:35.24`	`Jucato`	`Crell: did you just add the external taskbar right now? are you using KDE 3.5.5?`
`01:35.51`	`Crell`	`I just added it an hour ago. KDE 3.5.5`
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`01:36.11`	`Dr_willis`	`an hr ago? its cold by now.. warm it up. :)`
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`01:36.33`	`Crell`	`:-P`
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`01:36.43`	`Jucato`	`Crell: you don't see the dropdown list that lets you choose changing settings for the main panel or other panels?`
`01:36.58`	`Crell`	`nope`
`01:37.00`	`Jucato`	`(should be at the top of the Arrangement options)`
`01:37.15`	`Jucato`	`ok, you need to restart Kicker. press Alt+F2 and enter: dcop kicker kicker restart`
`01:37.23`	`Jucato`	`then try again, and you'll see the drop down list`
`01:37.52`	`Crell`	`Ah so. There it is.`
`01:37.56`	`Crell`	`Thanks!`
`01:39.07`	`Jucato`	`ok.. really need to sleep`
`01:39.08`	`Jucato`	`bye! :)`
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`01:43.31`	`logixoul`	`is the linspire icon theme downloadable distro-agnostically from somewhere?`
`01:43.46`	`Dr_willis`	`logixoul, check kde-look?`
`01:43.49`	`logixoul`	`checked`
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`02:54.23`	`err0r^`	`hoi`
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`02:55.08`	`Shirakawasuna`	`slip!`
`02:55.14`	`err0r^`	`sry but i'm plastered`
`02:55.16`	`err0r^`	`^^`
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`03:01.17`	`err0r^`	`^^`
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`03:04.07`	`warriorness`	`How do I add something to KDE Autostart ?`
`03:04.30`	`warriorness`	`I know the Autostart directory, but forgot how to add stuff to it >_<`
`03:04.36`	`err0r^`	`put a link to ~/.kde/Autostart`
`03:04.45`	`warriorness`	`?`
`03:05.03`	`err0r^`	`make a link to ~/.kde/Autostart`
`03:05.24`	`warriorness`	`I thought there was a graphical way to do it... in Kcontrol or something`
`03:05.26`	`Sho_`	`warriorness: Right click -> Create new -> Link to Application in Konq, for example`
`03:06.07`	`warriorness`	`Sho_: I see.`
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`03:07.10`	`Renze`	`warriorness: there is an autostart manager in development, I believe`
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`03:13.28`	`syd67ro`	`what image browser/viewer should I use?`
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`03:23.40`	`Dr_willis`	`wine irfanview.exe`
`03:23.40`	`Dr_willis`	`:)`
`03:23.55`	`Sho_`	`syd67ro: Gwenview`
`03:24.15`	`Dr_willis`	`pornview (or is that a gtk app?)`
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`03:25.14`	`ita`	`syd67ro: showimg`
`03:25.59`	`Renze`	`syd67ro: in short: choose the one you like instead of basing your decisions on other people's opinions ;)`
`03:26.29`	`Sho_`	`Gwenview and Showimg are certainly among the most proficient KDE image viewers, however`
`03:29.54`	`Renze`	`does gwenview have a new maintainer yet?`
`03:30.24`	`Sho_`	`Dunno`
`03:30.41`	`Sho_`	`I briefly considered taking it over, but in reality I don't have time`
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`03:57.22`	`Crell`	`Hello. Is there a reason why Kopete keeps re-enabling my Formatting Toolbar every time I go back to a message window? I want it gone, as I will never, ever use it, but it keeps coming back, even on the same chat. How do I convince it that I really want it to go away?`
`03:57.49`	`Renze`	`Crell: turn off the rich text icon on the main toolbar`
`03:57.56`	`Renze`	`for each contact`
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`03:58.26`	`Crell`	`For each contact?`
`03:58.32`	`Crell`	`I have 500+ contacts.`
`03:58.37`	`Renze`	`yes, it's a per-contact setting`
`03:58.45`	`Renze`	`you have a lot of work to do then :D`
`03:58.57`	`Crell`	`Then why does it keep coming back on the same contact, mid-conversation?`
`03:59.07`	`Renze`	`no idea... that doesn't happen here`
`03:59.58`	`Crell`	`And isn't it rather silly to have an option to disable that toolbar in the Settings \| Toolbar menu, and then have that ignored every few minutes because of a different setting?`
`04:00.16`	`Renze`	`why don't you ask them in #kopete ?`
`04:00.34`	`Crell`	`Kopete has its own channel?`
`04:00.56`	`Renze`	`and again, it isn't ignored every few minutes here`
`04:01.02`	`Crell`	`hm`
`04:01.08`	`Renze`	`here, once it is off, it stays off`
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`04:05.27`	`troy-kde4`	`heya folks... hi from kde4 :)`
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`04:06.40`	`Renze`	`troy-kde4: looks just like KDE3 at this stage, doesn't it?`
`04:09.31`	`ita`	`troy-kde4: what's up ?`
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`04:11.57`	`troy-kde4`	`Renze: yes and no... bumping into some new eye candy here and there... mostly on account of using svg stuff in places where a grey background used to be`
`04:12.10`	`troy-kde4`	`ita: just build kdebase4... it works (mostly)`
`04:12.25`	`Renze`	`troy-kde4: true, but most of the visual changes are yet to come`
`04:12.35`	`troy-kde4`	`Renze: plasma will be the most visible change, and it's not so ready yet`
`04:12.42`	`Renze`	`yup`
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`04:13.49`	`Renze`	`Crell: they won't be if you don't file bugs and wishes on bugs.kde.org`
`04:14.11`	`Crell`	`Renze: I've been maxed out on votes for both of them for 2 years.`
`04:14.47`	`Renze`	`guess they annoy you more than they annoy other people ;)`
`04:15.15`	`ita`	`troy-kde4: crashes ?`
`04:16.19`	`Renze`	`Crell: I'm sure they would welcome patches ;)`
`04:17.05`	`Crell`	`If I knew Qt/KDE development, I would. But I'm a PHP developer, not C++ developer. :-)`
`04:17.23`	`Renze`	`good time to start learning ;)`
`04:17.32`	`troy-kde4`	`ita: some things... https doesn't work, for example`
`04:17.47`	`Crell`	`bah!`
`04:17.53`	`ita`	`troy-kde4: pretty good already it seems`
`04:18.06`	`troy-kde4`	`troy-kde4: and after using the run dialog once (to pull up konsole), I can't seem to get it to come up again... which is okay, since kdesktop is about one week from being depreciated anyway`
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`04:18.31`	`troy-kde4`	`Crell: I'm a python developer... C++ scares me... still fun to test things though`
`04:18.41`	`Crell`	`hehe.`
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`04:41.42`	`Crell`	`Hm, ok, entirely different question.`
`04:42.05`	`Crell`	`How do I tell a new copy of KMail to use the local folders archive I copied off of my old system before it died?`
`04:42.19`	`Renze`	`use the import function, I think`
`04:42.21`	`Crell`	`Just copying the old ~/Mail directory to ~/Mail doesn't seem to be doing it, but that's where the data is.`
`04:42.56`	`Renze`	`did you also copy the old .kde/share/config/kmailrc ?`
`04:43.06`	`Crell`	`No, but I can do so.`
`04:43.42`	`Renze`	`it would probably be easier to just use File -> Import Messsages`
`04:43.51`	`Renze`	`it has an option to import KMail stuff`
`04:43.58`	`Crell`	`hm. goes looking`
`04:44.56`	`Crell`	`Hm, well it's getting some of them, but also skipping some directories.`
`04:44.59`	`Renze`	`make sure you're not importing from ~/Mail/ to ~/Mail/ though :)`
`04:45.15`	`Crell`	`Yeah, I figured that would be bad. :-)`
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`04:57.16`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`Cool, the button I put on my panel auto-updated the path to my program when I updated it :-)`
`04:58.05`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hi`
`04:58.13`	`Shirakawasuna`	`the compose key on my laptop suddenly stopped working`
`04:58.37`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Eventually I found that the compose key works in kdm and as other users, but not as my primary user - would the problem be in ~/.kde?`
`04:58.46`	`Shirakawasuna`	`It shouldbe in ~/ somewhere`
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`04:59.08`	`naut`	`I have a weird thing going on on my gentoo box`
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`05:02.33`	`fiendskull9`	`is there any pre-built deb's of kde4 snapshot`
`05:02.35`	`fiendskull9`	`i really dont feel like compiling it`
`05:03.02`	`Renze`	`fiendskull9: that's a question for #debian`
`05:03.06`	`fiendskull9`	`ok`
`05:03.07`	`Renze`	`kde is released as source only`
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`05:05.29`	`naut`	`When I log in as myself, every time I start a konsole it starts as root`
`05:05.41`	`naut`	`Not for all users tho`
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`05:06.24`	`Renze`	`naut: did you save the defaults with the wrong session selected?`
`05:06.27`	`fiendskull9`	`mmmk`
`05:06.29`	`fiendskull9`	`found some packages`
`05:06.40`	`fiendskull9`	`if i install kde4, it wont overwrite kde 3.5 will it?`
`05:06.55`	`Renze`	`fiendskull9: it depends on how the packages were made... ask the guy who created them`
`05:07.04`	`naut`	`Renze, ot sure how I would have done that, but possibly I suppose`
`05:07.05`	`fiendskull9`	`Renze: ok`
`05:10.52`	`Q-collective`	`fiendskull9: afaik, kde4 will be more compliant to the fhs`
`05:10.57`	`Q-collective`	`oh, crap`
`05:11.12`	`Q-collective`	`hate when they do that`
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`05:12.03`	`Renze`	`whenever I see "fhs" I think of my old highschool`
`05:12.16`	`Q-collective`	`hows that? :)`
`05:12.25`	`Renze`	`Freyberg High School`
`05:12.29`	`Q-collective`	`hehe`
`05:12.50`	`Renze`	`horrible school`
`05:12.57`	`Q-collective`	`we bored Shirakawasuna`
`05:13.02`	`Q-collective`	`that was fast :D`
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`05:18.42`	`blackelf_`	`hi`
`05:18.51`	`blackelf_`	`how to tell kdm to start two local sessions?`
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`05:26.47`	`Q-collective`	`blackelf_: kmenu -> switch user -> start new session`
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`05:30.57`	`overseer`	`can somone repost that recent "switch user" suggestion a few lines back ?`
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`05:34.49`	`linux_user400354`	`amarok does not build a collection of my music but it does show a red progress bar when i push the build collection button. i set it to use mysql and installed mysql and gave it a password. can anyone help?`
`05:35.24`	`Allquixotic`	`How do you perform del.icio.us integration with Konqueror?`
`05:35.46`	`linux_user400354`	`i mean blue progress bar`
`05:37.40`	`Allquixotic`	`LOL`
`05:37.42`	`Allquixotic`	`hilarious`
`05:38.30`	`Renze`	`Allquixotic: http://counter.li.org`
`05:38.37`	`linux_user400354`	`thats the number i got when i became a registered linux user`
`05:38.43`	`Renze`	`so is mine`
`05:39.54`	`Renze`	`linux_user400354: as to your problem... I can only guess on so little information. Is your user in any appropriate groups? "mysql" for example?`
`05:40.26`	`linux_user400354`	`im using the mysql root user so it should have permissions to do everything`
`05:40.29`	`Renze`	`and is mysql actually running?`
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`05:41.06`	`linux_user400354`	`[root@localhost ~]# service mysqld status`
`05:41.07`	`linux_user400354`	`mysqld (pid 17631) is running...`
`05:41.21`	`linux_user400354`	`i was able to login as root to set the password`
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`05:41.33`	`Allquixotic`	`The following line from #suse made me think about my desktop application choices and I've decided to give Konqueror another shot. So, along that vein, I'd like to get del.icio.us or FoxMarks bookmarks support in Konqueror. How can I do it?`
`05:41.38`	`Allquixotic`	`[00:18] <whitedragon> its just impossible to be 100% faithfull...`
`05:41.39`	`Renze`	`hmmm... I had no issues at all between mysql and amarok`
`05:42.06`	`Renze`	`Allquixotic: activate the sidebar, right click on the button bar, and add the appropriate page`
`05:42.12`	`illogic-al`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:42.12`	`Jucato`	`Allquixotic: not sure if it's a common feature, but there's a sidebar for del.icio.us`
`05:42.49`	`Renze`	`press F9`
`05:42.52`	`illogic-al`	`F9`
`05:42.52`	`Jucato`	`F(`
`05:42.55`	`Jucato`	`F9`
`05:43.00`	`Renze`	`snap!`
`05:43.04`	`illogic-al`	`Jucato: oopsies. :-)`
`05:43.09`	`Jucato`	`:)`
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`05:43.30`	`illogic-al`	`Allquixotic: don't you feel special? you have 3 people helping you all at once.`
`05:43.36`	`Allquixotic`	`wow ^_^`
`05:44.03`	`Renze`	`right guys... he trusts us now... get him!!!`
`05:44.04`	`Allquixotic`	`er, amaroK integration into my web browser?`
`05:44.05`	`Allquixotic`	`I'm in love`
`05:44.54`	`Allquixotic`	`I appear not to have the del.icio.us sidebar`
`05:45.08`	`Renze`	`weird... it came as standard here`
`05:45.14`	`Allquixotic`	`openSUSE 10.2, KDE 3.5.5`
`05:45.14`	`Renze`	`distro removage?`
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`05:45.22`	`Renze`	`Gentoo, KDE 3.5.5`
`05:46.12`	`Allquixotic`	`intentional distro removage - particularly when accompanied by insidious snickering - should be punishable by death`
`05:46.37`	`Renze`	`mmmmm... Snickers...`
`05:46.37`	`Jucato`	`Allquixotic: right-click on the sidebar -> Add new -> del.icio.us bookmarks?`
`05:46.38`	`Shirakawasuna`	`removage!`
`05:46.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I'm having problems with this compose key thing, argh`
`05:47.06`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I suppose it's no longer a kde thing, though, since switching out .kde didn't work`
`05:47.09`	`Renze`	`it's a pseudo word`
`05:47.24`	`Allquixotic`	`there was a menu called "Configure Navigation Panel" that finally pointed to "Add New", and had del.icio.us in there Jucato`
`05:47.27`	`Allquixotic`	`very very nice :)`
`05:47.33`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: it's an xkb thing... check kcontrol -> reg & acc -> keyboard layouts -> xkb options`
`05:47.53`	`Jucato`	`ok...`
`05:47.55`	`Jucato`	`lunch`
`05:48.00`	`Allquixotic`	`Jucato: thank you!!!!!`
`05:48.02`	`Renze`	`late lunch`
`05:48.11`	`Jucato`	`super late lunch....`
`05:48.12`	`linux_user400354`	`problem with amarok and mysql fixed`
`05:48.18`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: I have it disabled`
`05:48.25`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: and I had the problem when kxkb wasn't emerged`
`05:48.25`	`Renze`	`Allquixotic: hey, I told you to right click on the button bar and add it right from the start`
`05:48.37`	`Allquixotic`	`I don't suppose Konqueror will be equally clever with their handling of long running instances of Flash - with Firefox 2.0, memory usage on the process was 500 megabytes after 6 hours of continuous http://www.pandora.com running`
`05:48.42`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: no wonder your compose key isn't working then`
`05:48.49`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`Does KDE have any thing that can give you info on kernel state ?`
`05:48.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Renze: I have it enabled in my xorg.conf`
`05:48.54`	`Shirakawasuna`	`and it works as other users`
`05:48.57`	`Shirakawasuna`	`and in kdm`
`05:48.59`	`Allquixotic`	`Renze: I didn't have a button bar to start with, and I didn't see how to do that from there`
`05:49.00`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: weird`
`05:49.04`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I know >_<`
`05:49.22`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I made a new user and copied everything that started w/ a . from my home folder over to the new one`
`05:49.24`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: I just use the KDE stuff to set it, and I have no problems at all`
`05:49.37`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I usually don't have any, either`
`05:49.41`	`Shirakawasuna`	`this is a strange problem`
`05:49.50`	`Renze`	`Shirakawasuna: you did a recursive copy, yes?`
`05:50.11`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I dragged everything via konqueror to a new folder, test`
`05:50.19`	`Shirakawasuna`	`then I copied the contents of that folder into the test user's home folder`
`05:50.23`	`Shirakawasuna`	`-r`
`05:50.27`	`Renze`	`ah, I still do all my file management in konsole :)`
`05:50.42`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I couldn't figure out how to get it to move everything that started w/ .`
`05:50.53`	`Shirakawasuna`	`cp /home/nick/.* /home/test didn't work`
`05:50.56`	`Shirakawasuna`	`(-r)`
`05:50.57`	`Renze`	`cp -R .* <destination>`
`05:51.24`	`Renze`	`man cp would have informed you :)`
`05:52.05`	`Renze`	`I've noticed how young people today just hate to read :D`
`05:52.17`	`Renze`	`for old farts like me, reading is a joy`
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`05:54.25`	`Shirakawasuna`	`man pages are not fun reading ;)`
`05:54.31`	`Renze`	`sure they are`
`05:54.38`	`Renze`	`learning is fun`
`05:54.59`	`Shirakawasuna`	`perhaps rather than make the new user and all that I should just start moving files in ~/ to a ~/backup folder`
`05:55.17`	`Renze`	`what exactly are you doing anyway?`
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`05:55.29`	`Shirakawasuna`	`well, since it only happens to this user, I assumed it was some setting in ~/`
`05:55.35`	`Shirakawasuna`	`one of the ~/.foo files`
`05:55.55`	`Shirakawasuna`	`weirdos`
`05:56.24`	`Shirakawasuna`	`man mplayer ;)`
`05:56.46`	`tvtoon`	`jeez, mplayer nooo!!`
`05:56.49`	`Shirakawasuna`	`well I'm going to try my other method`
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`05:56.54`	`Shirakawasuna`	`xine no workie for me`
`05:56.58`	`Shirakawasuna`	`it's too light`
`05:57.01`	`Renze`	`xine workie fine for me`
`05:57.03`	`Shirakawasuna`	`although now mplayer is, too. stupid computer`
`05:57.07`	`tvtoon`	`sure fire candidate to worst manual of the world...`
`05:57.09`	`Shirakawasuna`	`brb while I move files around`
`05:57.21`	`blackelf_`	`Q-collective: no, how to have two sessions started by default`
`05:57.51`	`Renze`	`blackelf_: for that you need to edit your kdmrc file by hand... and I don't know of any documentation for it. Try google.`
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`06:06.50`	`troy`	`well guys, enough kde4 testing for the night... it builds. it runs. it's very fragile :P`
`06:07.38`	`blackelf_`	`Renze: hmm ok`
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`06:10.55`	`Kurt`	`I've got a problem with KAudioCreator...I'm ripping Miles Davis's "Kind of Blue", and it finishes ripping track 5 (Flamenco Sketches) and removes the ripping job from the list, but does not begin encoding it`
`06:11.00`	`Kurt`	`I'm using Slack 11 and KDE 3.5.4`
`06:11.32`	`Allquixotic`	`you may very well be the first person to rip Miles Davis's "Kind of Blue" on Slack 11 and KDE 3.5.4`
`06:11.34`	`Allquixotic`	`congratulations`
`06:11.38`	`Kurt`	`yay :D`
`06:12.02`	`Kurt`	`hmm, this is odd`
`06:12.32`	`Kurt`	`even though it removes the ripping job from the list in the "Jobs" tab, at the bottom it still says "Ripping (1 active, 0 queued)"`
`06:13.01`	`Kurt`	`this track is the only one I'm trying to rip...earlier I tried to rip the whole CD, and it did just fine until it got to this track, where it did what it's doing now`
`06:13.12`	`Kurt`	`I've tried cleaning off the CD, but that doesn't help`
`06:13.20`	`Kurt`	`and it does it with every CD I try`
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`06:14.46`	`niskel`	`For some reason, Konsole, when redrawing, takes forever.`
`06:14.56`	`niskel`	`A redraw takes like half a second.`
`06:15.03`	`niskel`	`How can I fix this?`
`06:19.22`	`Allquixotic`	`niskel: are you using the Vesa driver?`
`06:19.37`	`niskel`	`Allquixotic: nope, nvidia`
`06:19.38`	`Allquixotic`	`Kurt: Try another CD-ripping program like Grip to see if it is local to Kaudiocreator`
`06:19.53`	`niskel`	`Allquixotic: everything else draws very quickly, just not konsole`
`06:20.12`	`Allquixotic`	`niskel: When you use kopete, with smooth scrolling enabled, is that OK?`
`06:20.31`	`niskel`	`Allquixotic: very smooth, no waiting for any drawing`
`06:20.57`	`Allquixotic`	`niskel: Is this wait whenever a new line is drawn, or only when scrolling, or either?`
`06:21.05`	`niskel`	`Allquixotic: both`
`06:21.16`	`niskel`	`Allquixotic: whenever the text must be redrawn`
`06:21.24`	`Allquixotic`	`niskel: Hmm. Any problems in a TTY below the X server? (CTRL+ALT+F2)`
`06:21.53`	`niskel`	`Allquixotic: no, they all work fine. So does xterm`
`06:22.02`	`Allquixotic`	`O_O`
`06:22.22`	`niskel`	`just konsole is really painfully slow`
`06:22.43`	`Allquixotic`	`xterm works fine but not konsole? I don't suppose you have tried opening a Konsole inside Konqueror or Kdevelop or Konversation? I'm not sure it would make a difference but that is really obscure`
`06:23.45`	`Allquixotic`	`are you monitoring for activity, monitoring for silence, or using bidirectional text input?`
`06:23.58`	`Allquixotic`	`*bidirectional text rendernig`
`06:24.33`	`niskel`	`It is just as slow when embedding`
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`06:24.48`	`niskel`	`the only thing I have tried is bidi, but it is the same on and off`
`06:25.00`	`niskel`	`and runs fast when it is on on another system I have`
`06:25.26`	`Allquixotic`	`I wonder if it is blocking the CPU or whether it is the graphics driver that is rendering slowly - you might try running top (in an xterm :p) and do some extreme thrashing with konsole and see if your CPU usage goes way up`
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`06:26.29`	`niskel`	`Konsole takes 100% CPU on my Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz :/`
`06:26.33`	`Allquixotic`	`also, I have an ATi card but I understand that the open source drivers for both ati and nvidia cards are often borked on very new Nvidia cards - that's hardly an indictative diagnostic if your other 2d rendering facilities are fine, e.g. Kopete smooth scrolling - this could well be a problem with your Konsole version. What would that version be, by the way?`
`06:26.44`	`Allquixotic`	`oh, wow, 100% CPU...`
`06:26.49`	`Allquixotic`	`then it's not the video card at all`
`06:26.51`	`Allquixotic`	`most probably`
`06:27.03`	`niskel`	`doesnt seem like it`
`06:27.16`	`Allquixotic`	`my Konsole version is 1.6.5`
`06:27.19`	`Allquixotic`	`yours?`
`06:27.28`	`niskel`	`1.6.5`
`06:28.44`	`Allquixotic`	`do you have a large number of bookmarks, or customizations of Konsole? (assuming you've tried that stuff already..) you're not using XGL or AIGLX or (heaven forbid) Project LookingGlass or anything, right? :P`
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`06:29.21`	`niskel`	`Just a plane jane kde 3.5.5 install. Havent done any real sketchy customizing at all`
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`06:29.52`	`Allquixotic`	`this is unrelated, but when you mentioned a Core 2 Duo 2.0ghz my ears perked up, since I have one of those in a Lenovo Thinkpad X60`
`06:29.57`	`Allquixotic`	`are you running a laptop on that Core 2?`
`06:30.01`	`fiendskull9`	`hey`
`06:30.03`	`fiendskull9`	`i found a konqueror bug`
`06:30.05`	`fiendskull9`	`where should i submit it`
`06:30.13`	`Allquixotic`	`http://bugs.kde.org`
`06:30.20`	`niskel`	`Allquixotic: it is a laptop. Asus A8Js`
`06:30.28`	`Allquixotic`	`cool`
`06:30.41`	`fiendskull9`	`k`
`06:30.47`	`Allquixotic`	`what distro?`
`06:30.57`	`niskel`	`surprisingly very easy to set up most all of the features. Much easier than I had anticipated`
`06:30.59`	`niskel`	`Gentoo`
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`06:31.54`	`Allquixotic`	`do you remember the CFLAGS and USE flags you used at the time you compiled KDE?`
`06:32.21`	`Allquixotic`	`I'm not a Konsole developer (or an official KDE developer at all) but if you wildly customized those, I'd raise an eyebrow as an innocent onlooker ;)`
`06:32.30`	`niskel`	`CFLAGS="-march=nocona -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-ident"`
`06:32.34`	`niskel`	`Nothing special at all`
`06:33.04`	`Allquixotic`	`haha, sweet, nocona... I use that subarch on a few of my custom compiles myself (though I use openSUSE 10.2)`
`06:33.37`	`Allquixotic`	`you COULD try dropping the optimizations and recompiling konsole specifically, and don't omit frame pointers, and turn on debugging... then try to see if you can find out where the critical section (read: lag) is occurring`
`06:33.42`	`Allquixotic`	`but that's mostly a developer's exercise`
`06:33.46`	`Allquixotic`	`if you're unfamiliar with gdb, meh`
`06:34.04`	`Allquixotic`	`it could be an issue with one of konsole's dependencies also`
`06:34.07`	`Allquixotic`	`kdelibs stuff`
`06:34.19`	`niskel`	`I am familiar with gdb but I cant imagine what I would look for`
`06:34.33`	`niskel`	`and as for deps, it seems odd that /only/ konsole would be slow and nothing else`
`06:34.40`	`Allquixotic`	`you would set a few breakpoints in loops and run a rapid continue and see if you keep hitting the same one thousands of times`
`06:35.05`	`Allquixotic`	`something that locks the CPU 100% is either a single statement that blocks like while(1) or...`
`06:35.15`	`Allquixotic`	`you could compile using gprof`
`06:35.21`	`Allquixotic`	`the performance profiler`
`06:35.31`	`Allquixotic`	`that's probably better than gdb`
`06:35.49`	`Allquixotic`	`gprof will spit out what methods used the most cycles`
`06:36.25`	`niskel`	`seems like a lot of work for some wierd obscure bug`
`06:36.40`	`Allquixotic`	`I had a supposed bug in Konversation on my FC6 laptop (also KDE 3.5.5) where it would infinitely loop a SSL security warning when connecting to a certain IRC server with SSL support enabled.....`
`06:36.48`	`Allquixotic`	`but it works fine on my openSUSE version of Konversation D:`
`06:37.01`	`Allquixotic`	`using march=nocona I assume you are on x86_64?`
`06:37.14`	`niskel`	`yes`
`06:37.32`	`niskel`	`I have been using x86_64 since 2004 on another machine`
`06:37.54`	`Allquixotic`	`I'm sure you could get it working if you used the same binaries as I'm using (openSUSE 10.2); it's really unlikely that you have a hardware dependent issue with Konsole and everything else is peachy`
`06:40.05`	`Allquixotic`	`do you have DRI working?`
`06:40.08`	`Allquixotic`	`not that Konsole uses it`
`06:40.15`	`niskel`	`yes`
`06:40.19`	`niskel`	`3d works great`
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`06:44.41`	`Allquixotic`	`niskel: I'm digging through some bug reports on http://bugs.kde.org`
`06:45.44`	`niskel`	`I was too, none seem to directly reflect on my problem or if they do they are too old. The only one that seems relevant is one talking about anti-aliasing. But even then, my less powerful machine runs anti-aliased konsole super fast.`
`06:48.06`	`Allquixotic`	`I don't know, then, buddy... the most likely tested cflags for standard distros is just -march=i686 -O2 so anything beyond that may have potentially problematic code with certain optimizations or architectures. it may work on vanilla amd64 but not on nocona`
`06:48.37`	`niskel`	`the only difference is the addition of sse3`
`06:49.14`	`niskel`	`which usually doesnt even really take effect`
`06:49.22`	`niskel`	`I have one idea though`
`06:49.44`	`niskel`	`I was using sub-pixel anti-aliasing for LCDs on this machine and not my other machine`
`06:49.51`	`niskel`	`maybe I will try turning that off`
`06:49.55`	`Allquixotic`	`hmm`
`06:50.15`	`Allquixotic`	`Intel 945GM graphics though`
`06:50.23`	`niskel`	`-_-`
`06:50.40`	`niskel`	`I will turn it off and be back in a moment`
`06:50.40`	`Allquixotic`	`hey don't make that face at the 945GM - it's nothing to shake a stick at`
`06:50.44`	`Allquixotic`	`runs Guild Wars great`
`06:50.45`	`Allquixotic`	`alright`
`06:50.57`	`niskel`	`no, not a face at the card, a face at the predicament`
`06:51.02`	`Allquixotic`	`oh lol`
`06:51.06`	`niskel`	`I would get that card over an ATi :)`
`06:51.09`	`Allquixotic`	`hehehe`
`06:51.11`	`Allquixotic`	`I have ATi :(`
`06:51.15`	`niskel`	`I did`
`06:51.25`	`Allquixotic`	`i have ati on desktop and 945GM on lappy`
`06:51.26`	`niskel`	`I sold it a month after installing linux`
`06:51.41`	`niskel`	`brb`
`06:51.43`	`Allquixotic`	`k`
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`06:52.57`	`niskel`	`That fixed it`
`06:52.57`	`Q-collective`	`my radeon 9600xt works reasonably with DRI`
`06:53.05`	`niskel`	`It was totally the sub-pixel anti-aliasing`
`06:53.20`	`niskel`	`bundles and bundles faster`
`06:53.20`	`Allquixotic`	`sweet`
`06:53.53`	`niskel`	`sweet and annoying at the same time`
`06:53.59`	`niskel`	`I think I can live with it though`
`06:54.00`	`Allquixotic`	`Q-collective: the X800GT (PCI-E) works reasonably with the DRI drivers too, but the OpenGL implementation is like, 1.3... doesn't hold a candle to fglrx up at 2.0`
`06:54.08`	`niskel`	`I dont notice the real difference`
`06:54.46`	`niskel`	`anyways, 3am says it is time for bed. Thanks for the help Allquixotic`
`06:54.52`	`Allquixotic`	`no problem niskel, glad you figured it out`
`06:54.55`	`Allquixotic`	`(on your own nonetheless)`
`06:55.04`	`niskel`	`:p`
`06:55.09`	`Q-collective`	`Allquixotic: how does doom3 work with your card? :)`
`06:56.54`	`Allquixotic`	`Q-collective: Haven't tried it. I'm pretty lazy about getting the FPS disks out and installing them, so I have like, zero respectable native Linux games (scratch that - there's always Savage, and its sequel whenever it goes into beta).`
`06:57.22`	`Allquixotic`	`Q-collective: I'm an MMORPG geek, and Guild Wars is my staple. So I use Cedega. I'm also a Cedega beta tester.`
`06:57.38`	`Allquixotic`	`Cedega makes HEAVY use of OpenGL 2.0, so the open source drivers have no chance`
`06:57.39`	`Q-collective`	`:)`
`06:57.49`	`Q-collective`	`hmm`
`06:58.11`	`Q-collective`	`I thought dri had full opengl2.0 support`
`06:58.56`	`Allquixotic`	`The DRI drivers I've seen only implement 1.3 in acceleration. The Mesa3d project likely does support OpenGL 2.0 as a reference implementation in software, but that's 1 frame every 10 seconds (0.1 fps) in any real game.`
`07:00.03`	`Q-collective`	`fun`
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`07:04.41`	`Allquixotic`	`You also have to recognize that ATI and Nvidia are pushing their own somewhat proprietary extensions into the OpenGL extension namespace, adding even more complexity for native programmers and Cedega/wine alike`
`07:07.16`	`Allquixotic`	`I'm surprised that games like Guild Wars and Battlefield 2 work at all in Cedega :P`
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`07:08.11`	`DLB\|Maximus`	`how would i go about telling kde to run this command when it starts "synergyc -f 192.168.1.3" ?`
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`07:08.54`	`Renze`	`~autostart`
`07:08.59`	`apt`	`To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273`
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`07:09.12`	`Renze`	`DLB\|Maximus: see above`
`07:09.20`	`DLB\|Maximus`	`im gonna check it out`
`07:10.02`	`DLB\|Maximus`	`i had tried to make a text file with the command inside and made it executable and placed it in the Autostart dir but that just opened the file`
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`07:10.40`	`Renze`	`must be named something.sh, chmod +x and start with #!/bin/sh as the first line`
`07:11.32`	`YourNameHere`	`How do I configure the sise of a second panel with KDE 3.5, I have done it before, I can get the second panel, I just can't figure out how to reseze it`
`07:11.50`	`DLB\|Maximus`	`Renze: ok, im gonna try that`
`07:12.13`	`Jucato`	`YourNameHere: right-click on it, Configure Panel? (can you see the dropdown list at the top, letting you choose which panel to configure?)`
`07:12.15`	`Renze`	`YourNameHere: drag the bar between the panes`
`07:12.24`	`Renze`	`oh, my bad`
`07:12.27`	`Jucato`	`:P`
`07:12.50`	`Jucato`	`yeah, although it would be nice if you could resize kicker just by dragging borders`
`07:13.02`	`Renze`	`actually, you can, if you have that option enabled`
`07:13.25`	`Renze`	`(or was that one of the things that aseigo trimmed out?)`
`07:13.45`	`Jucato`	`never saw that feature since 3.4.x...`
`07:13.52`	`YourNameHere`	`jucato: there is no menu to allow me to select wich panel to resize. I knew the configuration screen was missing something... I am using suse 10.2 btw`
`07:13.54`	`Renze`	`must've been trimmed then`
`07:14.13`	`Allquixotic`	`silly devs whose names end in -go`
`07:14.13`	`Renze`	`YourNameHere: try "dcop kicker kicker restart" and check again`
`07:14.21`	`Allquixotic`	`aseigo, thiago`
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`07:14.36`	`Jucato`	`YourNameHere: ok, do this. Press Alt+F2, type "dcop kicker kicker restart", then try looking again`
`07:14.41`	`Jucato`	`snap`
`07:14.50`	`Jucato`	`Renze: that's my line :/`
`07:14.57`	`Renze`	`Jucato: too slow :P`
`07:15.06`	`Jucato`	`Allquixotic: blame whoever gave them their real names`
`07:15.06`	`linux__alien`	`I am using Fedora Core 6. If i install QT4 in my system . Will it break my system or will there be any dependencies? and will my present applications continue to work when i upgrade to QT4 now?`
`07:15.07`	`Jucato`	`:P`
`07:15.08`	`YourNameHere`	`jucato: do I need to be in root, or will it work as a user?`
`07:15.12`	`linux__alien`	`could some advice me please?`
`07:15.14`	`Jucato`	`YourNameHere: no need`
`07:15.21`	`YourNameHere`	`jucato: ok`
`07:15.28`	`Renze`	`linux__alien: KDE3 will only work with Qt3, not Qt4`
`07:15.52`	`linux__alien`	`Renze, Then how do i start developing an application using QT4 APIs?`
`07:16.16`	`YourNameHere`	`jucato: hey, it worked! Thanks alot!`
`07:16.17`	`Renze`	`linux__alien: by installing Qt4 beside Qt3, not over the top of it`
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`07:17.44`	`linux__alien`	`Renze, Oh.. So that means QT4 will have to be installed in an other location and when i start developing my applications, I will have to use those and not QT3 right? But if i am going to install QT4 using yum, it will install it to the default location so there are chances of Qt3 being overwritten ? :-(`
`07:17.46`	`Allquixotic`	`Jucato: It worked! It worked! the users cried on Christmas morning. ;)`
`07:18.00`	`Renze`	`linux__alien: no idea... I don't use Fedora`
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`07:18.20`	`Jucato`	`Allquixotic: what worked??`
`07:18.23`	`linux__alien`	`Renze, Have you installed QT4?`
`07:18.30`	`Allquixotic`	`linux__alien. If you install QT4 and yum doesn't warn you about uninstalling QT3 then it will name the libraries in a way such that they can take side by side installation`
`07:18.31`	`Renze`	`linux__alien: yes, but I don't use Fedora`
`07:18.31`	`Jucato`	`linux__alien: depends if you're developing for KDE 3 or KDE 4`
`07:18.50`	`Allquixotic`	`Jucato: Well, whatever you helped me with earlier worked ;) And what YourNameHere just got to work. You get things to work :D remembers this`
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`07:19.02`	`linux__alien`	`Jucato, I want to make use of QT4. :-)`
`07:19.05`	`Jucato`	`Allquixotic: lol :)`
`07:19.13`	`Jucato`	`linux__alien: also, try to check if Fedora has some special instructions for installing KDE4/Qt4 packages`
`07:19.30`	`Jucato`	`in Kubuntu's case, they install to a different directory other than /usr (or was it /usr/local/)`
`07:19.43`	`linux__alien`	`Oh Ok`
`07:19.44`	`Renze`	`in Gentoo's case, they install in a different place than Qt3`
`07:19.48`	`Jucato`	`linux__alien:Qt4, but developing for KDE4 I presume?`
`07:19.54`	`Allquixotic`	`try /usr/crashprone ;)`
`07:20.32`	`Allquixotic`	`joke: does KDE3 belong in /usr/crashprone or does KDE4? hahahaha`
`07:20.45`	`Allquixotic`	`ok not funny :p KDE 3.5.5 is pretty stable :)`
`07:20.49`	`Jucato`	`linux__alien: I think (just imho) your best bet would be to build KDE4 from SVN rather than rely on binary packages.`
`07:20.54`	`Jucato`	`linux__alien: http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version`
`07:21.08`	`linux__alien`	`Jucato, Is KDE4 in a state where its usable ?`
`07:21.22`	`Renze`	`barely`
`07:21.22`	`Jucato`	`linux__alien: depends on whose gonna use it :)`
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`07:21.33`	`Jucato`	`it's usable for people developing for KDE 4 :)`
`07:21.37`	`Allquixotic`	`Aunt Betsy`
`07:21.41`	`Renze`	`it's not useful for users`
`07:21.52`	`Jucato`	`definitely :)`
`07:22.00`	`Jucato`	`well, end-users to be exact`
`07:22.13`	`Allquixotic`	`developers are users too!`
`07:22.15`	`Allquixotic`	`:o`
`07:22.34`	`Renze`	`how about middle-users?`
`07:22.44`	`linux__alien`	`Is QT 4 backward compatible ? in the sense can an application written for QT4 be used in KDE3 ?`
`07:22.50`	`linux__alien`	`can that be done?`
`07:22.51`	`Renze`	`nope`
`07:22.53`	`Jucato`	`no`
`07:23.01`	`Renze`	`Qt4 is not compatible with Qt3`
`07:23.06`	`Jucato`	`definitely :)`
`07:23.09`	`Renze`	`major changes to the API/ABI`
`07:24.21`	`Renze`	`Jucato: at least they didn't laugh at it ;)`
`07:24.29`	`Allquixotic`	`it means you're David Hume writing your first book`
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`07:24.50`	`Jucato`	`unless there's a kfm-devel-secret list and they're laughing at from there :)`
`07:25.28`	`linux__alien`	`whats ABI ?`
`07:25.40`	`Allquixotic`	`application binary interface`
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`07:25.47`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`07:27.28`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`he all. is there any way to make kde save mouse acceleraion as a fraction ? if source needs modifying, could somebody point me in the general direction ?`
`07:28.01`	`Allquixotic`	`fraction? do you mean a floating point number?`
`07:28.05`	`DLB\|Maximus`	`Renze: thanks that worked after i added a #!/bin/sh on first line, at first i had #!bin/sh.... :)`
`07:28.07`	`Renze`	`does X handle mouse acceleration as fractions?`
`07:28.15`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`Allquixotic: yes`
`07:28.18`	`linux__alien`	`What would happen if ~/.kde is deleted ?`
`07:28.28`	`Renze`	`DLB\|Maximus: the first line tells the system what interpreter to use for the script`
`07:28.29`	`linux__alien`	`just curious to know.`
`07:28.30`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`Allquixotic: xset can do it, and it helps with high resolution mice that move too fast`
`07:28.46`	`Renze`	`linux__alien: you would lose all your settings, and address book contacts, and possibly all your mail`
`07:28.50`	`Jucato`	`linux__alien: you lose your settings and some of your data`
`07:28.56`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`Allquixotic: like xset m 1/30000 1 for example. which is what i need`
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`07:29.04`	`Allquixotic`	`Jell-O-Fishi: The default kde 3.5.5 acceleration for my pointer was 2.0x and I turned it down to 1.0x in 0.1x increments. I would call that fraction`
`07:29.05`	`DLB\|Maximus`	`Renze: yeah, i had forgotten a "/" in there and wondered why it didnt work`
`07:29.08`	`Jucato`	`application data that's found in ~/.kde :)`
`07:29.23`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`Allquixotic: yes, but it won't let me save less than 1`
`07:29.26`	`Allquixotic`	`Jell-O-Fishi: Just how high resolution is your mouse? I have a 2000dpi Razer Copperhead and 1.0x is alright`
`07:29.42`	`Allquixotic`	`Jell-O-Fishi: I see what you're saying. Kcontrol doesn't allow < 1.0x acceleration. I noticed that too...!`
`07:30.21`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`Allquixotic: not sure exactly what res (1000dpi? logitech v270 cordless) but i know that 1/30000 is what i need`
`07:31.31`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`Allquixotic: right now i'm running xset by hand on startup. i put a script into ~/.kde/Autostart, but it loads, and then the kde settings override it`
`07:31.34`	`Allquixotic`	`Jell-O-Fishi that seems a little excessive... but if you insist then you'd have to figure out if Kcontrol is using xset or what, and if not, maybe its API call isn't even capable of sub-1.0x acceleration. Perhaps xset is doing the same thing but just getting "closer and closer" to 1.0x ;)`
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`07:32.27`	`Renze`	`technically, less than 1.0x would be decceleration ;)`
`07:32.31`	`Allquixotic`	`true`
`07:32.32`	`Allquixotic`	`lol`
`07:32.41`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`Renze: all i know is it works for me.`
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`07:33.09`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`meh. i'll have a look at the code then. thanks.`
`07:33.30`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`or is there any way to make sure something runs AFTER kde loads all of it's settings ?`
`07:33.40`	`Renze`	`~/.kde/Autostart/`
`07:33.48`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`Renze: tried that. kde settings override it`
`07:34.03`	`Renze`	`Jell-O-Fishi: anything in autostart is started after settings are loaded`
`07:34.07`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`lemme try again`
`07:34.18`	`Allquixotic`	`Jell-O-Fishi: put a sleep 10 in your script ;)`
`07:34.21`	`Renze`	`stuff in ~/.kde/env/ is started before`
`07:34.37`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`Allquixotic: grr...`
`07:34.40`	`Allquixotic`	`LOL`
`07:34.46`	`Allquixotic`	`I knew you'd love that hack`
`07:34.50`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`>.<`
`07:35.04`	`Renze`	`Jucato: I do`
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`07:35.18`	`Jucato`	`Renze: :P`
`07:35.39`	`Jell-O-Fishi`	`i'll just look at source tonight if i have any brain cells left. k., thanks.`
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`08:56.47`	`ReTyPe`	`there is a cardgame that i really like to play, but doesn't exist, how can i add it to cardgames available in kde ?`
`09:00.12`	`Q-collective`	`ReTyPe: sent a patch to the subproject`
`09:00.47`	`ReTyPe`	`Q-collective: what do you mean ? i have no patch`
`09:01.15`	`Q-collective`	`no, they need to be written by people ;)`
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`09:02.53`	`ReTyPe`	`Q-collective: i want to write it myself if nobody else wants to write it, but i have to learn how ( i can allready program in java, c# )`
`09:03.32`	`ReTyPe`	`is there like a beginners guid ?`
`09:03.39`	`Q-collective`	`kde is written in C++`
`09:04.17`	`ReTyPe`	`i know, based on qt`
`09:04.31`	`Q-collective`	`http://developer.kde.org/joining/`
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`09:14.43`	`kdeuser^`	`Renze, hey`
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`09:17.53`	`hagabaka`	`how do i control which shell Konsole uses?`
`09:19.27`	`tbscope`	`in konsole, go to the Settings menu, choose configure konsole, then the session tab. In the execute line fill in something else`
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`09:29.59`	`XVampireX`	`OMG!!!!!!!`
`09:30.01`	`XVampireX`	`http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=49094`
`09:30.10`	`XVampireX`	`CAN ANYONE PLEASE PORT THIS TO KDE?!`
`09:30.57`	`XVampireX`	`I'd imagine something like that would only be possible with Qt4 :(`
`09:32.35`	`ReTyPe`	`is nice, how much ?`
`09:32.35`	`Q-collective`	`doesn't look that special`
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`09:41.11`	`XVampireX`	`Q-collective: It's PRETTY! It's rounded`
`09:41.40`	`XVampireX`	`By the way, can I somehow make the taskbar tasks show up bold like in gnome?`
`09:41.44`	`Q-collective`	`XVampireX: and with cairo also pretty slow no doubt`
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`10:27.06`	`codemonkey2`	`hey guys wondering if anyone knows why i get this error on kde startup : The process for the system protocol died unexpectedly.`
`10:27.15`	`codemonkey2`	`have no idea what it is can someone help?`
`10:27.21`	`Daverocks`	`codemonkey2: i think that can mean a lot of things`
`10:27.29`	`codemonkey2`	`how can i narrow it donw`
`10:27.31`	`codemonkey2`	`down*`
`10:27.36`	`Daverocks`	`before i was getting that message because kdesktop kept crahing`
`10:27.38`	`Daverocks`	`*crashing`
`10:27.48`	`codemonkey2`	`ok i only get it on a reboot of computer,`
`10:27.56`	`codemonkey2`	`if i log out of kde and back in it doesnt come up`
`10:28.03`	`codemonkey2`	`what can i try>`
`10:28.05`	`codemonkey2`	`?`
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`10:29.11`	`Daverocks`	`codemonkey2: not too sure...`
`10:29.11`	`codemonkey2`	`its annoying me`
`10:29.17`	`codemonkey2`	`mmm anyone?`
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`10:36.02`	`tbscope`	`codemonkey2: did you update kde lately?`
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`10:40.53`	`maxxle`	`I have here an DVD Image File (.img). Can I burn this with K3B? IMG-Files are only recognized by the CD-Image-wizzard but not with the DVD-Image-wizzard :(`
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`10:51.32`	`codemonkey2`	`it says there are no updates`
`10:53.35`	`tbscope`	`can you find out which program is giving that message?`
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`11:22.41`	`maxxle`	`Oh Fuck! Maybe it's a problem that my Thinkpad has no DVD-Recorder included :)`
`11:22.53`	`maxxle`	`lol`
`11:23.03`	`Daverocks`	`that would help lol`
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`11:23.37`	`maxxle`	`I think I will search a box with a DVD-Burner hehe`
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`11:39.16`	`dimbit`	`ok, how the hell do I disable tabbed browsing in konqueror?`
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`11:39.43`	`Daverocks`	`disable?`
`11:39.48`	`dimbit`	`get rid of te tab bar`
`11:39.52`	`dimbit`	`*the`
`11:40.00`	`dimbit`	`I don't want tabs`
`11:40.04`	`dimbit`	`I want windows`
`11:40.06`	`Daverocks`	`so, when you're only viewing one page, for there to be no tab bar?`
`11:40.10`	`dimbit`	`yes`
`11:40.20`	`Jucato`	`Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Web Behavior`
`11:40.29`	`Daverocks`	`Jucato: i was about to say that :P`
`11:40.34`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`11:40.39`	`dimbit`	`tried that`
`11:40.41`	`dimbit`	`it ignores me`
`11:40.45`	`Daverocks`	`the relevant option is "hide the tab bar when only one tab is open"`
`11:40.47`	`Daverocks`	`it does?`
`11:40.59`	`Daverocks`	`hm.`
`11:41.14`	`dimbit`	`bah. no. ok. it works now I've made myself look stupid`
`11:41.17`	`dimbit`	`thx guys`
`11:41.38`	`dimbit`	`needed to close + restart konq`
`11:41.44`	`Daverocks`	`no-one's stupid here ;)`
`11:41.47`	`dimbit`	`nm, my bad`
`11:42.08`	`dimbit`	`heh, "there are no stupid answers, only stupid questions" ;)`
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`11:43.21`	`XVampireX`	`What's a good way to use Google Talk on Linux? I mean Jingle`
`11:43.41`	`Daverocks`	`XVampireX: gaim, psi`
`11:43.52`	`XVampireX`	`gaim doesn't have jingle and psi I didn't compile with Jingle`
`11:43.53`	`Daverocks`	`XVampireX: but this is a kde channel, so i probably should suggest kopete :P`
`11:44.00`	`Daverocks`	`oh, jingle?`
`11:44.04`	`XVampireX`	`Yes`
`11:44.05`	`Daverocks`	`like, the voice support?`
`11:44.05`	`Jucato`	`what's jingle?`
`11:44.08`	`XVampireX`	`Yes`
`11:44.13`	`Jucato`	`oh`
`11:44.18`	`Daverocks`	`jingle is google's open source addition to jabber`
`11:44.26`	`Daverocks`	`which is P2P voice conversations`
`11:44.38`	`Daverocks`	`hmm`
`11:44.57`	`XVampireX`	`No`
`11:45.04`	`Daverocks`	`it's not?`
`11:45.04`	`XVampireX`	`Jingle is just a session manager`
`11:45.31`	`XVampireX`	`They will add file transfer and video to it too`
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`11:46.22`	`Daverocks`	`"Libjingle - Google Talk Voice and P2P Interoperability Library"`
`11:46.24`	`Daverocks`	`but ok`
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`11:47.13`	`XVampireX`	`P2P = Needs some kind of session management`
`11:47.14`	`Daverocks`	`psi has experimental jingle support, so you can try that`
`11:47.19`	`Daverocks`	`true`
`11:48.05`	`Daverocks`	`looks like kopete has a jingle plugin as well`
`11:48.10`	`XVampireX`	`I know ;P`
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`11:48.56`	`Daverocks`	`heh`
`11:49.03`	`Daverocks`	`well that answers your question, right? :P`
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`12:38.10`	`Schalken`	`in konqueror, how can i save a html file along with all its external references?`
`12:39.24`	`tbscope`	`Schalken: maybe in the tools menu -> archive webpage ? not sure though`
`12:40.18`	`pinotree`	`yup, of course you need the archiver plugin, that is available in kdeaddons`
`12:40.51`	`Schalken`	`it saves it as a .war file, what that?`
`12:41.17`	`pinotree`	`open it with konqueror`
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`12:41.39`	`Schalken`	`can't i save it as a .html like normal?`
`12:41.44`	`pinotree`	`it is`
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`12:41.49`	`pinotree`	`open it with ark`
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`12:42.25`	`Schalken`	`it says 'choose archive format'`
`12:42.44`	`Schalken`	`ark doesn't know what it is`
`12:42.55`	`tbscope`	`it probably is just a gzip file renamed`
`12:43.16`	`pinotree`	`zip`
`12:43.59`	`Schalken`	`gotta say thats a bit of a pain for something firefox can do with 'file -> save as...'`
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`12:45.13`	`Schalken`	`and it also still doesnt have the external refrences :S`
`12:46.12`	`tbscope`	`Schalken: what you can do is look at the bug reports/wishes and see if someone already asked for this (and vote for it), or create a new wish.`
`12:46.24`	`Schalken`	`must have something to do with the .css files it pulled with it being empty :@`
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`12:49.45`	`Schalken`	`it doesnt open as a zip, it opens as a tar, but the .css files are empty and when i get them myself to add it says cannot add because archive doesnt look like a tar`
`12:51.07`	`Schalken`	`and when extracting the .css files it says 'trailing garbage ignored'`
`12:51.35`	`Schalken`	`im guessing that trailing garbage is the contents of the .css files`
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`12:54.30`	`Jucato`	`Schalken: when you open a .war file in Konqueror, click on the Up button, and you enter a directory (using the tar:/ kioslave) where you can see all the files that would usually be included in a "Save as" on other browsers`
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`12:56.25`	`Schalken`	`well, actually i think its a problem with the actual archiving process, because in the output it says 'State: Error' for the four files that were broken.`
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`12:57.14`	`Jucato`	`what page are you trying to save? and when/how are you getting this error? I'll try to reproduce`
`12:57.25`	`Schalken`	`and it is indeed looking for them in the wrong place`
`12:59.15`	`Schalken`	`Jucato: save a kopete chat as html (chat > save), then up the html file (which has still refrences pointing to their original places in ~/.kde) and try to archive it, it looks for those things in the wrong place. it might be different depending on theme, im using KOne.`
`13:00.07`	`onesandzeros`	`guys, is there an irc channel for k3b? #k3b doesn't appear to be it, heheh`
`13:00.39`	`Schalken`	`onesandzeros: yeah i couldnt find one either, just go herre for now.`
`13:00.44`	`Schalken`	`here*`
`13:01.24`	`Jucato`	`hm.. you need to archive a local html file?`
`13:01.42`	`onesandzeros`	`Schalken: do you know anything about k3b?`
`13:02.39`	`Schalken`	`Jucato: yes, because i want to put it on my webserver where the images and css should gow with it`
`13:03.45`	`Schalken`	`onesandzeros: a bit`
`13:04.10`	`Jucato`	`ah...`
`13:04.24`	`onesandzeros`	`Schalken: do you ever make video cds with it?`
`13:04.54`	`Schalken`	`onesandzeros: nope, but i burnt a dvd video once, but that was an iso`
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`13:09.32`	`onesandzeros`	`Schalken: heh, ok thanks`
`13:10.20`	`Schalken`	`Jucato: i have found the error. while exporting, khtml doesn't correctly handle the <base href="..."> tag which defines the root dir to look for files in. it instead sought for the files in the destination directory.`
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`13:12.46`	`Schalken`	`lol i didnt notice Jucato left ;-)`
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`13:13.23`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`hello`
`13:13.28`	`Schalken`	`hi`
`13:13.31`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`i have released new icons in kde-look`
`13:13.45`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`(realistiK, but a quite different version)`
`13:14.01`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`can I ask for your comments?`
`13:15.00`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=50634`
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`13:16.46`	`Schalken`	`_-InFeRnO-_: the usb and memory icons lack an outline. they easily fade into the background.`
`13:17.11`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`well, if you use always 16x16, yes`
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`13:17.55`	`Schalken`	`are they basically the crystal icons without an outline?`
`13:18.07`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`no`
`13:18.14`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`not entirely`
`13:18.24`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`most are quite new`
`13:18.34`	`Schalken`	`i think the ipod one is new`
`13:18.40`	`Schalken`	`and the cd`
`13:18.55`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`if you download hem`
`13:19.02`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`you will see some very new ones`
`13:19.23`	`Schalken`	`i like the ipod one, it is in fact realistiK`
`13:20.07`	`Schalken`	`do they come in 16, 22, 32 and 48x48 sizes?`
`13:20.14`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`no`
`13:20.20`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`16 22 32 48 64 128 SVG`
`13:20.33`	`Schalken`	`are they all the same svg?`
`13:21.06`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`what you mean`
`13:21.26`	`Schalken`	`is the same svg used for all icon sizes?`
`13:21.41`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`well`
`13:21.49`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`not every icons ared in all sizes`
`13:21.56`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`some icons are in only SVG`
`13:21.59`	`Q-collective`	`http://havirov.rugby-cz.com/v3/media/images/vanoce.jpg`
`13:22.03`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`(no pngs)`
`13:22.05`	`Q-collective`	`merry xmas everyone ;)`
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`13:22.57`	`Schalken`	`Q-collective: lol, i really needed that`
`13:23.05`	`Q-collective`	`np :)`
`13:23.50`	`Schalken`	`Q-collective: please dont post images to nudity on irc, many channels wont like it`
`13:23.57`	`Schalken`	`not sure about this one`
`13:24.29`	`Q-collective`	`true true, but the nerd level in here is high enough for people to appreciate it ;p`
`13:25.55`	`Schalken`	`Q-collective: actually some people on here have some resemblance of sophistication.`
`13:26.01`	`Daverocks`	`lol`
`13:26.22`	`Q-collective`	`Schalken: now you get the point`
`13:26.24`	`Q-collective`	`:)`
`13:27.32`	`Schalken`	`_-InFeRnO-_: i follow the tango guidlines when making icons. (www.tangoproject.org) it allows me to make high quality icons while still being creative.`
`13:27.59`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`site dead`
`13:28.43`	`Schalken`	`_-InFeRnO-_: urgh, and popups too! lol`
`13:29.06`	`Schalken`	`oh there it is tango.freedesktop.org`
`13:30.17`	`Q-collective`	`I never liked the tango icons`
`13:30.30`	`Q-collective`	`too ... dull, for lack of a better word`
`13:30.50`	`Schalken`	`Q-collective: you mean not shiny enough?`
`13:30.55`	`Q-collective`	`exactly`
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`13:32.21`	`Schalken`	`i love them for that reason. crystal is too shiny. its like... 'okay, yes, shiny, i get it, i dont care about your icons i just want to get work done'.`
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`13:32.55`	`Schalken`	`Jucato: i have found the error. while exporting, khtml doesn't correctly handle the tag which defines the root dir to look for files in. it instead sought for the files in the destination directory.`
`13:33.10`	`Jucato`	`oh`
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`13:33.30`	`thiago`	`how about the oxygen icons?`
`13:33.33`	`Q-collective`	`I like oxygen: http://www.oxygen-icons.org/?cat=3`
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`13:33.50`	`Schalken`	`i havent seen oxygen to be honest.`
`13:34.02`	`Schalken`	`but now i have.`
`13:34.15`	`Jucato`	`I see they've updated some of the icons in the preview secton`
`13:34.24`	`Jucato`	`or maybe not...`
`13:34.41`	`Schalken`	`and...well...neither do they have a proper border.`
`13:34.54`	`Jucato`	`border for?`
`13:34.57`	`tbscope`	`You can see all the icons in websvn.kde.org/branches/work/oxygen or something like that`
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`13:35.22`	`Schalken`	`border so you can see them clearly against any background.`
`13:35.32`	`Schalken`	`tango uses double bordering for this purpose.`
`13:35.40`	`Schalken`	`makes the very functional.`
`13:35.49`	`Jucato`	`they're not tango. and they don't need borders`
`13:36.01`	`Jucato`	`at least for app icons`
`13:36.02`	`Schalken`	`i think they do, all icons need borders.`
`13:36.04`	`thiago`	`oxygen will be the default icon theme for KDE in KDE 4`
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`13:36.17`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`yes`
`13:36.19`	`thiago`	`if you feel there are problems with them, now is the time to talk to the designers`
`13:36.27`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`but not everyone uses the deault icons`
`13:36.28`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`right`
`13:36.33`	`Schalken`	`lol`
`13:36.38`	`thiago`	`most people don't ever change from the defaults`
`13:36.54`	`Schalken`	`i would pobly jsut say 'can you make them comply with tango?' and they'd be like 'whaaat'?`
`13:37.06`	`Jucato`	`is tango an fdo spec?`
`13:37.10`	`thiago`	`Schalken: you'd have to be more specific than that`
`13:37.18`	`thiago`	`first of all, which part of Tango? The naming spec?`
`13:37.24`	`thiago`	`yes, we want to follow a shared naming spec`
`13:37.31`	`thiago`	`colours? Definitely not`
`13:37.44`	`thiago`	`double bordering? Maybe they hadn't even thought about that.`
`13:38.15`	`Jucato`	`Schalken: you could suggest the bordering stuff in #kde-artists or the mailing lists. bring it to their attention`
`13:38.22`	`Schalken`	`the tango spec defines how they should be simplified at small sizes, have proper bordering, simplified geometric shapes for easy recognition and a common light source.`
`13:38.37`	`thiago`	`right. So bring those points to their attention.`
`13:38.58`	`thiago`	`point out which parts of the Tango spec you think are good and should be used in Oxygen too.`
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`13:39.12`	`Schalken`	`maybe i will`
`13:39.26`	`Schalken`	`after i get someone to post the bug about konqueror archiving`
`13:39.30`	`Schalken`	`lol`
`13:39.37`	`thiago`	`.war files?`
`13:39.43`	`Schalken`	`yeah`
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`13:41.13`	`thiago`	`what about them?`
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`13:42.04`	`Schalken`	`thiago: "i have found the error. while exporting, khtml doesn't correctly handle the tag which defines the root dir to look for files in. it instead sought for the files in the destination directory."`
`13:42.25`	`thiago`	`the <base> tag?`
`13:42.29`	`Schalken`	`yep`
`13:42.55`	`Schalken`	`it does`
`13:42.57`	`thiago`	`testcase?`
`13:43.14`	`Schalken`	`err..do you have kopete?`
`13:43.17`	`thiago`	`yes`
`13:43.33`	`Schalken`	`do you have a chat window theme?`
`13:43.37`	`thiago`	`no`
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`13:44.25`	`Schalken`	`well, grab the kONE theme (get hot new stuff) open a chat, export it as html, open the html and archive it.`
`13:44.47`	`thiago`	`export the chat window as html?`
`13:45.01`	`Schalken`	`chat > save`
`13:45.34`	`thiago`	`the default theme worked`
`13:45.38`	`thiago`	`does it have to be kONE?`
`13:45.57`	`Schalken`	`dunno but kONE uses the <base> tag not sure if the default one does`
`13:46.42`	`thiago`	`there is a <base> tag`
`13:46.46`	`thiago`	`and it worked perfectly`
`13:46.57`	`Schalken`	`well it didnt work for me :S`
`13:47.00`	`Schalken`	`and still wont`
`13:47.09`	`Schalken`	`it seems to ignore it when archiving`
`13:47.20`	`thiago`	`oh, wait, I didn't rearchive`
`13:47.24`	`Schalken`	`and look for the files in the place where your saving the archive`
`13:47.55`	`Schalken`	`yes, archive with konq`
`13:48.28`	`thiago`	`right, archiving makes it look completely broken`
`13:49.00`	`Schalken`	`did you get 'status: error' things in the table when you archived it?`
`13:49.37`	`Schalken`	`the little table it shows while its archiving, i mean`
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`13:51.09`	`thiago`	`I couldn't see the status because there was one data: URL`
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`13:53.36`	`Schalken`	`thiago: this is what mine shows: http://schalken.wubbles.net/snapshot26.png`
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`13:55.21`	`Schalken`	`it could be that it only breaks when the <base> points to a local dir.`
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`13:56.42`	`jeffto`	`hello everybody`
`13:57.00`	`jeffto`	`I have a dude about Ktorrent`
`13:57.12`	`thiago`	`confirmed, the web archiver doesn't process <base>`
`13:57.28`	`thiago`	`jeffto: you have a guy?`
`13:58.16`	`Schalken`	`jeffto: i have dudes as well`
`13:58.20`	`jeffto`	`... :P`
`13:58.24`	`thiago`	`Schalken: if you want to report the bug, I can confirm it. I have a testcase too if you want.`
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`13:58.33`	`thiago`	`Schalken: just make sure it isn't already reported`
`13:58.48`	`Schalken`	`thiago: that means i have to make an account doesnt it?`
`13:58.52`	`thiago`	`Schalken: yes`
`13:58.55`	`jeffto`	`well There's a way to setup update time of localization system?`
`13:59.25`	`Schalken`	`thiago: i dont normally _do_ things so easily like this, but okay.`
`13:59.55`	`jeffto`	`thiago, :'(`
`14:00.05`	`thiago`	`jeffto: your sentence did not make sense.`
`14:00.20`	`jeffto`	`ok`
`14:00.22`	`thiago`	`jeffto: do you want to manually change the torrent update time?`
`14:00.30`	`jeffto`	`yes exactly`
`14:00.44`	`thiago`	`you'd have to change the .torrent file`
`14:00.49`	`thiago`	`there might be tools that do that`
`14:00.51`	`thiago`	`I know of none`
`14:00.59`	`thiago`	`why do you want to change the time anyways?`
`14:02.32`	`Schalken`	`you can also change the GUI update interval under Settings > Configure KTorrent... > Advanced > Performace > GUI update interval:`
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`14:04.22`	`jeffto`	`I don't think so`
`14:04.40`	`jeffto`	`it seems to be a refresh time`
`14:05.23`	`jeffto`	`it's setup on 500ms`
`14:05.41`	`thiago`	`the GUI update interval isn't the same thing as the torrent announce time`
`14:05.57`	`thiago`	`why do you want to change the announce period?`
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`14:06.49`	`jeffto`	`becuase in one hour sometimes the number of peers go down or go up and only when update realized of that`
`14:06.56`	`hyper_ch`	`hiho, how can I import the thunderbird addressbook (abook.mab) into kmail/kontact?`
`14:07.08`	`jeffto`	`I mean I want to change it to 30minutes at last`
`14:07.24`	`thiago`	`jeffto: other peers should be connecting to you in that mean time`
`14:07.42`	`thiago`	`make sure you can accept connections`
`14:07.51`	`thiago`	`being firewalled does not help with torrents`
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`14:08.10`	`jeffto`	`is that?`
`14:08.26`	`jeffto`	`oh, yes I've a firewall...`
`14:09.28`	`jeffto`	`so, It don't deppends of torrent update time?`
`14:09.44`	`Schalken`	`hyper_ch: file > import messages?`
`14:10.18`	`hyper_ch`	`Schalken: I don't want to importa the messages (as email is IMAP) but the thunderbird addressbook`
`14:10.39`	`Schalken`	`hyper_ch: oh address book my bad`
`14:10.47`	`thiago`	`jeffto: turn the firewall off or at least allow the ktorrent port to be reached from outside`
`14:10.53`	`thiago`	`jeffto: UPnP might help there`
`14:10.56`	`hyper_ch`	`Schalken: no problem :) any suggestion?`
`14:11.31`	`jeffto`	`ok, I going to do it, thanx, Merry christmas`
`14:11.55`	`Schalken`	`hyper_ch: well it doesnt have it under file > import > so....yeah, maybe you can export them from thunderbird in a format kaddressbook understands?`
`14:12.17`	`hyper_ch`	`Schalken: Hmmm, haven't thought of that yet :) but Ill see what I can do :)`
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`14:12.45`	`Schalken`	`hyper_ch: sometimes just dragging the file onto kaddressbook will make it do whatever it can with it.`
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`14:13.29`	`Ace2016`	`Hi all`
`14:13.56`	`Ace2016`	`You know the first run wizard in kde, where are the effects settings which i applied when i ran that?`
`14:14.29`	`Daverocks`	`Ace2016: probably somewhere in kcontrol`
`14:14.48`	`Ace2016`	`Daverocks: kcontrol is a big place`
`14:14.59`	`Daverocks`	`Ace2016: yeah, i gave that response cause i was lazy :P`
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`14:15.19`	`Ace2016`	`I asked the question because i was lazy too :P`
`14:15.24`	`Daverocks`	`lol`
`14:15.28`	`Ace2016`	`but i did try a bit to find it`
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`14:16.31`	`Daverocks`	`i assume you've looked in "window behavior"`
`14:16.35`	`Schalken`	`thiago: did work for the webarchiver if it pointed to a remote directory?`
`14:17.38`	`Schalken`	`Ace2016: effects settings are in kcontrol appearance > style > effects (tab)`
`14:17.54`	`thiago`	`Schalken: I can try, hold on`
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`14:18.37`	`Ace2016`	`Schalken: I don't think those are the ones, i remember it being a long list of checkboxes with options about performance like use background in konqueror and stuff`
`14:18.54`	`thiago`	`Schalken: no, it didn't`
`14:19.19`	`hyper_ch`	`Schalken: drag'n'drop didn't help... trying now to export from TB somehow`
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`14:19.21`	`Schalken`	`Ace2016: yea i think the exact same gui is only accessable by running the wizard again`
`14:19.36`	`Schalken`	`thiago: cheers`
`14:19.39`	`Ace2016`	`How do i run the wizard again?`
`14:19.48`	`Schalken`	`errr...`
`14:20.32`	`Schalken`	`Ace2016: does "cd /usr/bin; ls first" give you anything?`
`14:20.32`	`thiago`	`Ace2016: kpersonalizer`
`14:20.38`	`Schalken`	`there you go`
`14:21.44`	`Ace2016`	`Its not there either`
`14:22.26`	`Ace2016`	`I'm looking for the option that rounds icon selections in konqueror, like when you select an icon, the text is selected, and that section to be rounded, how is that done?`
`14:23.51`	`Schalken`	`Ace2016: hmm, yes, the selected icon text is rounded on mine...`
`14:24.03`	`Ace2016`	`How is that done?`
`14:24.10`	`Ace2016`	`is that an option?`
`14:24.46`	`Schalken`	`i dont know, i thought it did it by default on all distros`
`14:25.03`	`Schalken`	`otherwise maybe its something hidden in konquerorrc :O`
`14:25.28`	`Schalken`	`Ace2016: are you on a DIY distro?`
`14:25.55`	`antik`	`I thought all linux distros is DIY`
`14:26.02`	`Schalken`	`lol`
`14:26.03`	`Ace2016`	`no its not for me, someone asked where that option is so i started wondering where its done, i'm using kubuntu`
`14:26.04`	`Daverocks`	`haha`
`14:26.29`	`Daverocks`	`( @DIY comment )`
`14:27.42`	`thiago`	`Ace2016: it's a patch into the source code`
`14:27.51`	`Schalken`	`:O`
`14:28.06`	`Ace2016`	`you need to patch the source code to just round icons?`
`14:28.39`	`Schalken`	`yes, he has to recompile all of kdebase to get rounded corners (half joke)`
`14:29.43`	`thiago`	`Ace2016: if the source code only allows for rectangular selections, yes`
`14:29.46`	`thiago`	`Ace2016: that is the case`
`14:29.56`	`Ace2016`	`so you don't know for sure?#`
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`14:30.58`	`thiago`	`I am sure`
`14:31.07`	`thiago`	`I know the KDE default source code does not have rounded borders for selections`
`14:31.16`	`hyper_ch`	`Schalken: it worked fine when I did export it from tb addressbook as ldif and imported it as such into kontact :) just one more question: I have added now birthday for some people but they won't appear in the calendar, why is that so?`
`14:31.49`	`Schalken`	`hyper_ch: check in the contact's properties if they have their birthay fields set`
`14:32.21`	`Schalken`	`i didnt know there was a birthday field, cool.`
`14:32.42`	`hyper_ch`	`Schalken: in the calender i needed to "add birhtdays from Kontacts" :)`
`14:33.08`	`Schalken`	`handy.`
`14:34.00`	`Ace2016`	`Can we remove konqueror's status bar in kde4's konqueror?`
`14:34.21`	`Schalken`	`Ace2016: why?`
`14:34.39`	`Schalken`	`i (L) statusbars :)`
`14:34.42`	`Ace2016`	`i hate the status bar, its like useless, i use metabar to get the same info`
`14:34.46`	`Ace2016`	`why?`
`14:35.02`	`hyper_ch`	`Schalken: the whole kontact/kmail/kalendar/... is quite nice :) I just ask myself whether I want to install it also on my xubuntu :) I'm currently setting up my moms notebook with kubuntu :)`
`14:35.10`	`Daverocks`	`i like status bars, but i agree it really should be customisable`
`14:35.32`	`Schalken`	`hyper_ch: it would look and feel out of place in xubuntu.`
`14:35.49`	`Schalken`	`xubuntu is nice with gtk apps. i would put in evolution.`
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`14:36.30`	`hyper_ch`	`Schalken: is there a meta-package for all of those? I use quite a few kde appz in xubuntu (amarok, konversation, konqueror, kftpgrabber, k3b)`
`14:36.51`	`Schalken`	`hyper_ch: all those what?`
`14:37.12`	`MrGrim`	`might as well use kde... you already have all the libs loaded :P`
`14:37.33`	`Schalken`	`Ace2016: tells me loading progress, whether theres an rss feed, javascript bugs, java is open, which view i am in (in wplit view), whether a wallet is open, the url of links as a hover over them...`
`14:37.48`	`Schalken`	`whether a popup was blocked...`
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`14:38.13`	`hyper_ch`	`Schalken: for all those appz that make up that "kontact organization"... e.g. kmail, kalendar, kontact, .....`
`14:38.16`	`Ace2016`	`i don't use it for web browsing, just file browsing, and i don't use split views`
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`14:38.38`	`Schalken`	`hyper_ch: well after you install kontact it will pull those with it as dependencies.`
`14:38.53`	`hyper_ch`	`MrGrim: I prefer the Xfce Desktop... I just think kde looks too sluggish and has a lot of things I dont need :)`
`14:38.54`	`Schalken`	`hyper_ch: but some are optional, those you will need to install seperately.`
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`14:39.08`	`hyper_ch`	`schalken, I guess I'll do that then :) thx :)`
`14:39.13`	`Belegdol`	`hello`
`14:39.15`	`MrGrim`	`hyper_ch: what processor are you running?`
`14:39.21`	`Schalken`	`hyper_ch: i hate the kde desktop too, but love its applications :)`
`14:39.28`	`Schalken`	`Belegdol: hi`
`14:39.47`	`hyper_ch`	`Schalken: my mom was looking for a email client that, when you forward a message, you can edit the message sent to you... most of the clients just forward it as new attachment and kmail doesn't :)`
`14:40.11`	`hyper_ch`	`MrGrim: I have a amd sempron 2400 1.6ghz with 1gb ddr ram`
`14:40.15`	`Belegdol`	`do you know howto avoid duplicate menu entries?`
`14:40.20`	`Schalken`	`there are alot of :) in this channel`
`14:40.27`	`MrGrim`	`hyper_ch: hmm, I wonder why kde is sluggish for you.. that's a shame`
`14:40.31`	`Schalken`	`Belegdol: in what menus?`
`14:40.37`	`Belegdol`	`kde menu`
`14:40.41`	`hyper_ch`	`MrGrim: it's just the feeling I have :)`
`14:40.44`	`Belegdol`	`I have fedora here`
`14:40.58`	`MrGrim`	`I have it running very snappy on my tbird 1ghz.. in fact I'm always impressed by it.. but I usually compare it to winxp`
`14:41.01`	`Belegdol`	`together with wine packager, we have wrapped up a wine submenu`
`14:41.11`	`MrGrim`	`which is sluggish on a quad core system`
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`14:41.46`	`Belegdol`	`using /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/wine.menu and /usr/share/desktop-directories/wine.directory`
`14:41.56`	`Belegdol`	`now wine submenu is in 3 places`
`14:42.06`	`hyper_ch`	`MrGrim: We don't ned to speak about windoze :) it's really fun... all those improvements on vista for which yoou need a high end computer can also be done on a 2-4 year old computer with linux :)`
`14:42.23`	`Belegdol`	`K, K>Administration and K>Administration>Server Settings`
`14:42.44`	`Schalken`	`Belegdol: delete them in kmenu editor`
`14:42.55`	`Schalken`	`Belegdol: its up to you and the distro to organise the menu`
`14:43.02`	`Belegdol`	`i know`
`14:43.12`	`Belegdol`	`but it's my fault`
`14:43.17`	`Belegdol`	`I made the .menu file`
`14:43.34`	`thiago`	`KDE doesn't have an "Administration" menu`
`14:43.42`	`Schalken`	`the linux menu system is a mess, but at least its not as bad as winxp's.`
`14:43.45`	`thiago`	`so you're not using the KDE default menu`
`14:43.52`	`Belegdol`	`Fedora has... wait...`
`14:43.59`	`thiago`	`please ask #fedora for help`
`14:44.00`	`Schalken`	`i didnt know kde had a default menu...`
`14:44.16`	`MrGrim`	`hyper_ch: 2-4? shit I can do it on a pc from '99`
`14:44.17`	`Belegdol`	`so it looks like it appears in every set of menu entries that is present in /etc/xdg/menus`
`14:44.23`	`thiago`	`Schalken: KDE has to have a menu when you install it from sources`
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`14:44.40`	`MrGrim`	`hyper_ch: blurred translucent windows aren't exactly rocket science`
`14:44.47`	`Belegdol`	`well, at least in some of them`
`14:44.50`	`Schalken`	`thiago: is that the same one as used debian? because i hate that one.`
`14:44.58`	`thiago`	`Schalken: what is the Debian menu like?`
`14:45.11`	`Schalken`	`it has submenus called 'more applications'`
`14:45.26`	`thiago`	`yep, some applications are in More Applications`
`14:45.27`	`MrGrim`	`hyper_ch: out of curiosity, what video card are you running?`
`14:45.28`	`Belegdol`	`fedora as well`
`14:45.31`	`thiago`	`very seldom used applications`
`14:45.59`	`pinotree`	`Schalken: ?? the debian menu is only a "Debian" top level menu`
`14:46.17`	`Belegdol`	`well, I have digged a bit`
`14:46.29`	`Schalken`	`pinotree: a what?`
`14:46.59`	`Belegdol`	`I think that it's kde issue it places same .menu file in several places`
`14:47.05`	`pinotree`	`in my kmenu, other than the normal categories Utility, Settings, Netowk, ... i have a Debian submenu`
`14:47.11`	`thiago`	`KDE menus are: Development, Edutainment, Office, Internet, Games, Multimedia, System, Settings, Utilities, plus icons for Help (khelpcenter), Control Center, Home and Search`
`14:47.22`	`fnord5`	`are there any kde/linux systems that are good for low end machines? 250mb/1.5ghz\`
`14:47.35`	`Schalken`	`thiago: and thats the way it ought to be`
`14:47.43`	`thiago`	`Belegdol: KDE only places .menu files in ${sysconfdir}/xdg/menus`
`14:47.54`	`Schalken`	`thiago: although to me 'settings' would be the same as 'system'`
`14:48.09`	`Schalken`	`pinotree: thats like what Arch has`
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`14:48.28`	`Schalken`	`...silly diy distros`
`14:48.34`	`Schalken`	`:P`
`14:48.34`	`Belegdol`	`thiago: Administration is added by some of additional .menu files present there`
`14:48.42`	`thiago`	`Belegdol: not by KDE`
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`14:48.49`	`Belegdol`	`i agree`
`14:49.04`	`Belegdol`	`but kde adds wine.directory to each of these subsets`
`14:49.10`	`thiago`	`no, it doesn't`
`14:49.29`	`thiago`	`my system has no "wine.directory" file at all`
`14:49.38`	`Belegdol`	`not suprpising`
`14:49.46`	`Belegdol`	`wine is added by wice-core pachage`
`14:49.51`	`Belegdol`	`under fedora`
`14:50.16`	`Ace2016`	`You know in ksysguard is it possible to have a graph of just one app? i want a graph of xgl`
`14:50.30`	`Belegdol`	`I'm trying to understand why it is added to all these other files`
`14:50.39`	`thiago`	`the only place where I'd expect a "wine.directory" file to be is in /usr/share/desktop-directories`
`14:50.43`	`JohnFlux_`	`Ace2016: a graph of what?`
`14:50.44`	`Schalken`	`thiago: does kde from source use the 'Graphics > (apps)...More Applications > (apps)' thing?`
`14:50.46`	`thiago`	`Ace2016: AFAIK, not possible`
`14:50.51`	`JohnFlux_`	`Ace2016: memory? cpu?`
`14:50.59`	`thiago`	`Schalken: yes`
`14:51.06`	`Belegdol`	`thaigo: and where would you put wine.menu?`
`14:51.07`	`thiago`	`Schalken: there are a few apps there`
`14:51.10`	`Schalken`	`thiago: i hate that lol`
`14:51.11`	`Ace2016`	`JohnFlux_: cpu`
`14:51.22`	`thiago`	`Belegdol: in /etc/xdg/menu (like all .menu files)`
`14:51.26`	`Belegdol`	`to add K>wine submenu?`
`14:51.35`	`thiago`	`no`
`14:51.38`	`thiago`	`KDE won't read that`
`14:51.41`	`Belegdol`	`thiago: notapplications-merged?`
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`14:52.14`	`Belegdol`	`I read somewhere that additional menu subfolders should be placed there`
`14:52.32`	`Belegdol`	`I'll try your suggestion. hold on...`
`14:52.58`	`JohnFlux_`	`Ace2016: hmm, not possible, but could be implemented`
`14:53.55`	`Ace2016`	`JohnFlux_: it would be nice to see how much resources my graphics apps are using`
`14:54.05`	`thiago`	`Belegdol: not sure if it reads applications-merged`
`14:54.13`	`JohnFlux_`	`Ace2016: over time?`
`14:54.25`	`Ace2016`	`what do you mean over time?`
`14:54.30`	`Belegdol`	`thiago: it reads. lol. somebody solved similar issue like this:`
`14:54.42`	`JohnFlux_`	`Ace2016: what resources do you want to know? the process list shows mem etc`
`14:54.46`	`Belegdol`	`http://rafb.net/p/Uy8i7T65.html`
`14:55.00`	`Belegdol`	`is there a better way?`
`14:55.34`	`Belegdol`	`wine.menu looks simpler: http://rafb.net/p/iUzMaw26.html`
`14:55.57`	`thiago`	`Belegdol: like it said, there's probably a better way`
`14:56.22`	`thiago`	`Belegdol: but both Administration and Server are not KDE menus. They come from Fedora's applications.menu file.`
`14:56.23`	`Belegdol`	`the thing is does somebody know it`
`14:56.25`	`Ace2016`	`JohnFlux_: but the process list is constantly changing and when messing with xgl i want to go to another desktop, mess with a video and come back to the graph and see what effect had, you can't do it with a process list, i want a graph of cpu, memory doesn't matter as much, cpu usage is what i'm after`
`14:56.26`	`thiago`	`Belegdol: take it up with them`
`14:56.55`	`thiago`	`Ace2016: CPU usage of a running application?`
`14:57.09`	`Ace2016`	`thiago: yea on a graph`
`14:57.22`	`JohnFlux_`	`Ace2016: yeah`
`14:57.32`	`JohnFlux_`	`Ace2016: makes sense`
`14:57.46`	`Belegdol`	`thiago: thanks for all the information. I'll go to whine in fedora :)`
`14:58.40`	`JohnFlux_`	`Ace2016: i'll add that over the next few weeks for the next release`
`14:58.55`	`thiago`	`KDE 4?`
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`15:00.49`	`Schalken`	`thiago: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139193`
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`15:04.50`	`sirfarion`	`is there a problem with kernels (>=2.6.18) an hal? KDE have Problems by mounting usb-mass-storage devices`
`15:05.09`	`sirfarion`	`an=>and`
`15:05.27`	`thiago`	`Schalken: testcase added and bug confirmed`
`15:05.37`	`Schalken`	`thiago: cheers`
`15:05.38`	`thiago`	`sirfarion: describe the problem`
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`15:07.46`	`Schalken`	`sirfarion: problems with kernels and hal are likely to be distribution-specific.`
`15:08.00`	`sirfarion`	`i can mount usb-mass-storages manually (dmesg shows them), but they are not all shown in media:/`
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`15:08.58`	`sirfarion`	`i have this problem on three machines (ubuntu and fedora)`
`15:09.22`	`sirfarion`	`with kernel 2.6.17, this was not a problem`
`15:09.43`	`Schalken`	`sirfarion: have you tried other hardware?`
`15:10.06`	`thiago`	`sirfarion: do they show up in lshal?`
`15:10.39`	`sirfarion`	`yes, some work, some not - on 2.6.17 all these devices worked`
`15:10.57`	`Schalken`	`sirfarion: different computer, i mean`
`15:11.34`	`sirfarion`	`yes (2 Desktops (Core 2 Duo, Athlon XP) and a MacBook)`
`15:12.00`	`Schalken`	`humph.`
`15:12.48`	`Schalken`	`i would still call it distro specific, especially if it changed because of a kernel update.`
`15:13.10`	`pinotree`	`indeed it's not kde-specific`
`15:13.25`	`sirfarion`	`i use fedora AND ubuntu`
`15:13.47`	`pinotree`	`we can't do much if hal does not see the devices`
`15:14.05`	`sirfarion`	`how can i check this in lshal (its a big output)`
`15:16.03`	`sirfarion`	`lshal shows the device (something about /dev/sdc - this is the device)`
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`15:22.26`	`Schalken`	`sirfarion: honestly you should as #kubuntu or #fedora, they know about your kernel and hal.`
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`15:24.00`	`sirfarion`	`they do not :)`
`15:24.13`	`Schalken`	`lol`
`15:24.37`	`hyper_ch`	`MrGrim: I have a nVidia GeForce2`
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`15:26.30`	`MrGrim`	`hyper_ch: wow... I actually one up somebody for once :D`
`15:27.32`	`hyper_ch`	`MrGrim: well, in jan, after prices have dropped a bit... I get myself a new computer... dual 64bit, nice graka, 4gb ddr.....`
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`15:28.44`	`MrGrim`	`hyper_ch: I'm planning on upgrading near the end of next year`
`15:29.09`	`MrGrim`	`hyper_ch: I mean the only things I need a faster system for are gaming and compiling, and I don't game often.. so I'm not feeling too much pressure`
`15:29.14`	`MrGrim`	`tho my system is quite old`
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`15:31.35`	`bkudria`	`kmail is not connecting to my imap server, it gives me the error: "could not connect to host imap.server.com", but the settings are correct, and i can telnet to the server with the port i specified and i get an imap prompt. any idea why it doesn't work?`
`15:31.49`	`Ace2016`	`anyone here know how to get an app called rftask?`
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`15:35.30`	`bkudria`	`Ace2016: http://www.linux-ren.org/modules/newbb/report.php?forum=21&topic_id=2474&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&post_id=12776 ?`
`15:36.15`	`Ace2016`	`bkudria: i was looking for that for months, how did you find it so fast?`
`15:36.24`	`bkudria`	`Ace2016: google?`
`15:36.48`	`Ace2016`	`google for what? i tried rftask, rftask src, rftask srpm and lots of stuff`
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`15:37.27`	`bkudria`	`just rftask, then i clicked english results only`
`15:37.32`	`bkudria`	`it was the first result`
`15:37.34`	`Ace2016`	`ah ok`
`15:37.37`	`Ace2016`	`thanks`
`15:38.01`	`bkudria`	`sure, no problem`
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`15:51.06`	`QMario`	`Heh, X's VmSize is 1.2*10^6KB+.`
`15:51.18`	`QMario`	`Is there a way to reduce this?`
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`15:52.07`	`thiago`	`1.2 gigabytes?`
`15:52.54`	`icwiener`	`Is there a way to prevent the services from the upper list in kcontrol->kde components->services from loading?`
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`15:53.58`	`thiago`	`icwiener: yes: uninstall them`
`15:54.29`	`Jucato`	`just dropping by to say Merry Christmas :)`
`15:54.43`	`icwiener`	`thiago: Can the konqueror preloader be uninstalled?`
`15:54.46`	`thiago`	`icwiener: no`
`15:54.57`	`thiago`	`icwiener: but you can set the max preloaded instances to 0`
`15:54.58`	`icwiener`	`Jucato: Merry Christmas, as well. :)`
`15:55.05`	`thiago`	`icwiener: why would you want that anyways?`
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`15:55.17`	`Jucato`	`annma, thiago, icwiener, Sho_, Renze: merry christmas!! :)`
`15:55.18`	`icwiener`	`thiago: I have. So the preloader starts, but does nothing?`
`15:55.29`	`aventis_khan`	`hello`
`15:55.34`	`Jucato`	`well, gotta go eat :)`
`15:55.37`	`Jucato`	`bbl`
`15:55.52`	`thiago`	`icwiener: it's just a module in kded, but no konqueror will be kept preloaded`
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`15:56.50`	`icwiener`	`thiago: Ok, I just thought one could remove the modules somewhere, since most of the started services are not even instelled on my box (e.g. kwallet).`
`15:57.03`	`aventis_khan`	`i am looking for help regarding kppp problem on my pardus 2007 , when i try to connect i get error " The pppd daemon died unexpectedly Exit Status:4 "`
`15:57.10`	`thiago`	`icwiener: kwallet is probably installed`
`15:57.10`	`icwiener`	`thiago: But it was rather cosmetic, so not that important. :)`
`15:57.17`	`icwiener`	`thiago: No, it is not.`
`15:57.22`	`thiago`	`icwiener: kwalletmanager is maybe not`
`15:57.25`	`thiago`	`search for kwalletd`
`15:57.39`	`icwiener`	`oh, sec...`
`15:57.51`	`thiago`	`$KDEDIR/lib/kde3/kded_kwalletd.so`
`15:58.18`	`aventis_khan`	`can somebody help me fixing with my problem?`
`15:59.30`	`icwiener`	`thiago: Well, kded_kwalletd.so is there. Is that the aktual kwallet?`
`16:00.58`	`thiago`	`yes`
`16:01.02`	`thiago`	`you just don't have the manager`
`16:01.11`	`thiago`	`which means you can't configure it or browse its contents`
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`16:01.25`	`thiago`	`very likely, you can't turn it on either`
`16:02.43`	`annma`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:03.10`	`err0r^`	`merry xmas :)`
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`16:04.08`	`icwiener`	`thiago: Ok. That's fine with me. :) I was just confused about they are listed there. Thanks for explanation. :)`
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`16:22.34`	`icwiener`	`Can someone please try to explain me in other words, what "KDED Home Base URL Notifier", respective "Remote Base" and "System Base" mean? (It's in the "Service Manager" in kcontrol)`
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`16:26.52`	`Sho_`	`icwiener: kdebase/kioslave/system/kdedmodule and kdebase/kioslave/home/kdedmodule`
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`16:28.07`	`icwiener`	`Sho_: And what does the service notify about?`
`16:29.49`	`Sho_`	`icwiener: Presumably that files have been added or removed to the directory structures covered by home:/ and system:/; for more I'd actually have to read the code I just pointed to`
`16:31.28`	`icwiener`	`Sho_: I ask because the german translation of those services is ... well... not good. And without a servoice description it's hard to translate properly.`
`16:33.12`	`Sho_`	`icwiener: I suggest writing to ervin@kde.org who wrote/commited those ioslaves/files asking for a more proper name and a description`
`16:33.20`	`thiago`	`no need`
`16:33.32`	`thiago`	`those are internal services that work on the KDirNotify mechanism`
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`16:34.00`	`thiago`	`they report changes in the system:/, home:/, media:/ and remote:/ filesystems`
`16:34.22`	`icwiener`	`Where do they report that to?`
`16:34.54`	`thiago`	`to the whole system`
`16:35.02`	`thiago`	`do you know what KDirNotify is and how it works?`
`16:35.18`	`Sho_`	`Unfortunately it's too late to add new strings to 3.5.6 now`
`16:37.10`	`icwiener`	`thiago: No. I do not know what KDirNotify does. But I have a little Idea. Does Konqeror use it to make the font blue on the tabs?`
`16:37.45`	`thiago`	`no`
`16:38.04`	`icwiener`	`Well, then I don;t. ;)`
`16:38.13`	`thiago`	`all KDE apps use KDirNotify to find out if a file is changed, added or removed`
`16:39.01`	`icwiener`	`I see.`
`16:39.23`	`Sho_`	`icwiener: It's essentially a convenience wrapper class around inotify/dnotify/lam`
`16:39.24`	`Sho_`	`*fam`
`16:39.32`	`thiago`	`KDirNotify existed before all of those`
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`16:39.46`	`thiago`	`in fact, I can probably say those exist because KDirNotify existed`
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`16:40.52`	`Sho_`	`Well, FAM was written in '89`
`16:41.18`	`Sho_`	`For IRIX, that is ... I guess the Linux version dates to around '95`
`16:41.29`	`icwiener`	`What if those services are not running, but the user activated the notify about external changes in kate?`
`16:41.42`	`thiago`	`icwiener: they are automatically loaded`
`16:42.12`	`icwiener`	`thiago: even if one deselect it?`
`16:42.29`	`Sho_`	`thiago: The strange thing is that they are load-on-demand, but show up as togglable (is that even a word?) in the list`
`16:42.51`	`thiago`	`hmm... they probably shouldn't be togglable`
`16:43.08`	`Sho_`	`yup ..`
`16:43.22`	`Sho_`	`and they need a description for 3.5.7 makes a note`
`16:43.37`	`icwiener`	`Maybe the toggle is "do not start them automatically"?`
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`16:44.14`	`icwiener`	`Isn't a missing description a serious bug? ;)`
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`16:45.09`	`thiago`	`they should be hidden services`
`16:45.15`	`thiago`	`users have no business turning them off`
`16:45.21`	`Sho_`	`icwiener: It's ironic that it's a translator asking for a description be added and translators being the reason it can't atm ;)`
`16:46.23`	`icwiener`	`Sho_: I am not that kind of a transator. I think, a missing string could be added the day before the release, since having a description in english is better that having none description. :)`
`16:47.18`	`Sho_`	`icwiener: I'd actually disagree ... it looks unprofessional to have a mix of English and German in the UI; as a user, that would be more jarring to me than having no description`
`16:47.59`	`icwiener`	`Sho_: Good point.`
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`16:52.00`	`Ace2016`	`Anyone know chineese?`
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`16:52.14`	`Ace2016`	`i need to translate some text from some install instructions`
`16:52.45`	`Ace2016`	`i think thats what they are, although they could be japanese or korean`
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`16:56.07`	`neopc`	`co�`
`16:56.43`	`ViTInHo`	`tem mul� nessa porra �???????????`
`16:57.09`	`pinotree`	`enhlish`
`16:57.11`	`pinotree`	`english`
`16:57.42`	`ViTInHo`	`de Campos de Sousa`
`16:57.52`	`ViTInHo`	`tem mul� nessa porra �???????????`
`16:57.58`	`pinotree`	`ENGLISH`
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`16:58.08`	`err0r^`	`please speak english`
`16:58.14`	`err0r^`	`^^`
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`16:58.30`	`dracony`	`i have a proble,`
`16:58.41`	`dracony`	`kdm[8496] error: Can't lock pid file /var/run/kdm.pid, another xdm is running`
`16:58.47`	`dracony`	`how do i fix this?`
`16:59.16`	`dracony`	`kdm[8496] error: Can't lock pid file /var/run/kdm.pid, another xdm isrn running`
`16:59.32`	`pinotree`	`sre you really sure there are no other login managers running?`
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`16:59.38`	`dracony`	`nope`
`16:59.42`	`dracony`	`nothing is running`
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`16:59.48`	`dracony`	`it fails on boot`
`17:00.04`	`pinotree`	`does that file esists?`
`17:00.10`	`dracony`	`yes`
`17:00.16`	`dracony`	`should i delete it?`
`17:00.21`	`pinotree`	`which permissions does it have?`
`17:00.32`	`pinotree`	`ls -l /var/run/kdm.pid`
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`17:00.48`	`dracony`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 5 Dec 25 17:37 /var/run/kdm.pid`
`17:00.57`	`pinotree`	`hmm`
`17:01.06`	`pinotree`	`try removing it`
`17:01.21`	`dracony`	`tried`
`17:01.32`	`pinotree`	`result?`
`17:01.46`	`dracony`	`it got created and kdm still wont start`
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`17:01.57`	`pinotree`	`then create it yourself`
`17:02.08`	`pinotree`	`touch /var/run/kdm.pid`
`17:02.18`	`pinotree`	`chmod 644 /var/run/kdm.pid`
`17:02.24`	`pinotree`	`chown root.root /var/run/kdm.pid`
`17:02.43`	`pinotree`	`you are on a GNU/Linux system, aren't you?`
`17:02.48`	`dracony`	`yes`
`17:02.52`	`pinotree`	`ok`
`17:02.55`	`dracony`	`ill try`
`17:03.12`	`dracony`	`one more thing`
`17:03.18`	`dracony`	`the pid in the file`
`17:03.26`	`dracony`	`is the same as the error in debug file`
`17:03.34`	`dracony`	`so kdm blocks itself`
`17:03.37`	`pinotree`	`:S`
`17:03.51`	`pinotree`	`can't help more about that, i don't use kdm`
`17:04.15`	`RaSTuS`	`Merry Chrissy all, anyone know how to start yakuake borderless ?`
`17:05.02`	`pinotree`	`Sho_: ^^`
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`17:10.32`	`Enverex`	`Erm, I'm having serious issues with KDE being crash-happy`
`17:10.59`	`Enverex`	`I was just using a terminal and now my desktop has just... gone... (it's just the solid backdrop colour now, all icons have gone and I can't right click it)`
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`17:11.22`	`Enverex`	`and clicking a few of the options in Control Center crashes the control center every time`
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`17:17.21`	`eddbri`	`hello kde users`
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`17:23.37`	`JohnFlux_`	`RaSTuS: yo`
`17:24.00`	`JohnFlux_`	`RaSTuS: for any app, just right click on the title bar, then Advanced->No border`
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`17:33.35`	`danly`	`Good day`
`17:34.30`	`danly`	`I have a quick customization question: KDE has vertically-oriented tabs, with text rotated such that it is bottom-aligned to the vertical. How can I get rid of those? I find them very difficult to use, for whatever reason.`
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`17:43.15`	`MrGrim`	`google is a myth`
`17:43.59`	`MrGrim`	`what is rftask?`
`17:44.16`	`unity`	`can i suggest kwrite and other text editors implement a wc feature that acts on the selection? it shouldn't be too hard to implement, and i'm no KDE/C++ programmer...`
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`17:48.18`	`RaSTuS`	`JohnFlux_: Can't do that, I'm running Beryl as my WM.`
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`17:59.24`	`icwiener`	`Sho_: Any suggestions to my mail to the list? Maybe I have technical fuzzies that you can correct. :)`
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`18:49.03`	`luksan`	`can somebody please tell me how to make KWin stop "animating" window minimizing and maximizing?`
`18:49.27`	`luksan`	`i know there is a way, i just can't remember how`
`18:50.55`	`Blissex`	`luksan: usually in 'Desktop:Windows behaviour'`
`18:52.41`	`luksan`	`ah thanks`
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`18:53.07`	`luksan`	`for some reason this particular tab is not available from Configure Window Behavior... even though every other setting you could ever dream of is there`
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`18:55.36`	`SSJ_GZ`	`luksan:Try KControl->Desktop->WIndow Behaviour->Moving->Animate Minimise and Restore`
`18:56.05`	`luksan`	`SSJ_GZ: i found that, but it wasn't my point`
`18:56.27`	`SSJ_GZ`	`luksan:Oh ok`
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`19:14.50`	`tagx`	`thiago: ive made some progress with the media bug`
`19:15.01`	`thiago`	`which media bug?`
`19:15.15`	`tagx`	`it wouldnt detect the flash driver`
`19:15.27`	`tagx`	`it correctly detects dvds`
`19:15.33`	`tagx`	`and automounting works with them`
`19:15.39`	`thiago`	`were you using HAL?`
`19:15.42`	`tagx`	`yes`
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`19:15.47`	`tagx`	`i think so`
`19:15.50`	`thiago`	`did HAL report their presence?`
`19:15.59`	`tagx`	`of what?`
`19:16.13`	`thiago`	`when you plugged the flash drive in, did HAL report that there was a new device?`
`19:17.24`	`tagx`	`yes`
`19:18.13`	`thiago`	`did you check with dbus-monitor?`
`19:18.16`	`tagx`	`yes`
`19:18.24`	`tagx`	`but with the dvd, it only sends 1 message`
`19:18.34`	`thiago`	`and the mediamanager doesn't show it?`
`19:18.49`	`tagx`	`mediamanager shows the dvd but not the usb drive`
`19:18.54`	`thiago`	`right`
`19:19.01`	`thiago`	`ok, so what progress have you made?`
`19:19.19`	`tagx`	`it detects the dvd...`
`19:19.51`	`thiago`	`which makes the problem even worse`
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`19:21.11`	`tagx`	`when i run hal-device, it prints out the list of devices, and then at the end:`
`19:21.16`	`tagx`	`process 11614: Applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. This is a bug in the application.`
`19:21.16`	`tagx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:21.16`	`tagx`	`Aborted`
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`19:22.51`	`madd_matt`	`I'm using the num-pad-as-mouse feature in KDE, and i was wondering if it was possible to only have that when numlock is off? I can't find anything on doing that.`
`19:24.06`	`kirun`	`I presume you know the alt-shift-numlock shortcut for switching that on and off?`
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`19:27.14`	`logixoul`	`hi, in kaffeine 0.8.3 is it possible to desync audio/video by more than 1sec without hacking the source?`
`19:27.26`	`JohnFlux_`	`meow`
`19:27.58`	`madd_matt`	`kirun, it would be nice if i could just use numlock.`
`19:28.01`	`JohnFlux_`	`logixoul: mplayer can do that with +-`
`19:28.53`	`logixoul`	`ok thanks, i won't switch to mplayer tho.`
`19:29.17`	`spawn57`	`logixoul: go through all the xine expert options`
`19:29.20`	`spawn57`	`one of them should help`
`19:29.32`	`logixoul`	`k, going`
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`19:30.00`	`spawn57`	`think you can force the rate or something`
`19:30.28`	`logixoul`	`"offset for digital passthrough" maybe?`
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`19:30.51`	`logixoul`	`(trying it)`
`19:30.54`	`spawn57`	`i guess`
`19:30.56`	`spawn57`	`i'm hammerd`
`19:31.01`	`logixoul`	`=)`
`19:31.33`	`spawn57`	`i can tell you it's not under 'osd options'`
`19:31.41`	`logixoul`	`heh`
`19:31.42`	`spawn57`	`or subtitlies`
`19:31.51`	`spawn57`	`the rest require concntration so you're on your own there`
`19:33.55`	`kirun`	`Hmm, there's an alternate shortcut for mouse emulation in the keyboard shortcuts control centre module (that you could change to num lock), but no way to make it right-way-round... It might be possible to make something with scripting/dcop trickery to do it, but I don't know how`
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`19:34.39`	`logixoul`	`kirun: i don't understand what you're trying to do`
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`19:35.25`	`boingolov`	`this is in kontact`
`19:35.27`	`kirun`	`Respoinding to a request to make the state of numlock control mousekeys`
`19:35.33`	`logixoul`	`oh, ok`
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`19:40.38`	`logixoul`	`kirun: so the problem is that numlock can be made to turn mousekeys ON but not OFF?`
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`19:42.59`	`logixoul`	`kirun: because alt+f12 _can_ turn it both on and off here`
`19:43.39`	`kirun`	`The problem is, making it so, "numlock off = mousekeys on", and "numlock on = mousekeys off"`
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`19:45.01`	`logixoul`	`kirun: that would be possible here if numlock was at least recognized as assignable, but it isn't`
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`19:45.17`	`logixoul`	`kirun: OTOH you said it is, on your kde`
`19:46.01`	`logixoul`	`kirun: point is, if numlock can toggle mousekeys, all will be ok`
`19:46.17`	`logixoul`	`kirun: and the default shortcut (alt+f12) does exactly that here`
`19:46.26`	`logixoul`	`kirun: but i can't change that to numlock`
`19:47.17`	`kirun`	`I was thinking that would solve the problem, unless the states got mixed up`
`19:48.30`	`logixoul`	`aha, of course, but that shouldn't be a problem as kdm autosets numlock to a (configurable) state on login, and on login mousekeys is disabled`
`19:50.12`	`logixoul`	`spawn57: none of the options worked, but thanks anyway :)`
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`19:57.32`	`Dhraakellian`	`does anyone know where I might be able to find the default color scheme from KDE circa 3.2 or so?`
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`19:57.45`	`logixoul`	`yes, in svn`
`19:57.53`	`logixoul`	`branches/KDE/3.2`
`19:58.55`	`skreet`	`Anyone know what amarok uses to burn cds, the option is greyed out`
`19:59.06`	`Dhraakellian`	`skreet: k3b`
`19:59.17`	`skreet`	`Dhraakellian: Thanks`
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`19:59.54`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`buon Natale a tutti`
`20:00.37`	`qupada`	`jnthnlvnstn: would you like to buy a vowel?`
`20:01.07`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`I don't buy at all (I'm poor, very poor)`
`20:01.54`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`bye`
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`20:04.23`	`Dhraakellian`	`the question is where in svn the color schemes would be`
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`20:08.23`	`thiago`	`the same place they are today`
`20:08.36`	`Dhraakellian`	`which is?`
`20:09.04`	`thiago`	`I have no idea`
`20:09.18`	`Dhraakellian`	`or something like that`
`20:09.19`	`Dhraakellian`	`heh`
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`20:10.22`	`qupada`	`old colour scheme = how old?`
`20:10.34`	`Dhraakellian`	`circa KDE 3.2, I think`
`20:10.49`	`qupada`	`ah, so back when keramik was the default windeco/widget set`
`20:10.51`	`Dhraakellian`	`before the plastik color scheme became the default`
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`20:11.23`	`Dhraakellian`	`(was keramik still the default style in 3.2?)`
`20:11.31`	`qupada`	`why not just grab kdebase-3.2.0.tar.bz2 (or is it kdeartwork?) from a mirror and get it out of there?`
`20:11.56`	`Dhraakellian`	`qupada: the question is where in the tarball it'd be`
`20:12.00`	`Dhraakellian`	`and which tarball would have it`
`20:12.11`	`qupada`	`i dunno, but the tarball is a much smaller place to look for it than svn`
`20:12.41`	`Dhraakellian`	`but websvn is browsable`
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`20:12.59`	`Dhraakellian`	`although something searchable would be best`
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`20:14.15`	`qupada`	`well if you click the 'import' button in the colours section of the control panel, it wants a .kcsrc file, so let's search $KDEDIR for those`
`20:14.36`	`Dhraakellian`	`hrmm`
`20:14.38`	`qupada`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:14.39`	`Dhraakellian`	`sounds like an idea`
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`20:17.34`	`qupada`	`according to portage, those files belong to kcontrol, which as far as i can tell comes from kdebase-foo.tar.bz2`
`20:18.10`	`qupada`	`however, there is a colour scheme called 'keramik' anyway, is that not what you want?`
`20:18.36`	`Dhraakellian`	`not exactly`
`20:18.46`	`thiago`	`they are in kdebase/kcontrol/krdb/kcs in Subversion`
`20:18.57`	`Dhraakellian`	`ah`
`20:18.59`	`Dhraakellian`	`thanks`
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`20:20.49`	`Dhraakellian`	`hrm`
`20:21.19`	`Renze`	`bah humbug`
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`20:22.22`	`Dhraakellian`	`what I'm looking for is the one with blue selection text that gave keramik the yellow scrollbars`
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`20:23.14`	`Dhraakellian`	`meh`
`20:23.15`	`Dhraakellian`	`not terribly important`
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`20:23.25`	`pinotree`	`Dhraakellian: "white keramik" ?`
`20:23.29`	`Dhraakellian`	`no`
`20:25.08`	`positivo`	`alguem fala portugues`
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`20:25.43`	`pinotree`	`positivo: no`
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`20:44.50`	`EvilGuru`	`this may be a wee-bit off-topic, but one of the more interesting features of Vista is hardware font rendering and AA (done by the GPU) and I would like to know if there are big advantages to it and if we can expect to see it in KDE/Qt/X`
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`21:10.48`	`Vladdy`	`got to love the open source nature of kde, changed what a valid move is in kmahjongg, was so sick of games that I couldn't solve because I had some unsolvable tiles near end :-/`
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`21:18.10`	`Crell`	`Hi all. How do I enable Konqueror's internal previewing of tar.gz files, where they get browsed as a directory?`
`21:18.31`	`Crell`	`It worked out of the box on my previous system but isn't here, so I'm not sure what setting I need to change.`
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`21:41.34`	`SSJ_GZ`	`Crell:Which distro? I know that in Kubuntu it is disable by default, and to get it back you have to follow the steps on this page: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php`
`21:41.58`	`logixoul`	`Crell: it's called "the tar:/ kioslave", and i have it OOTB in opensuse10.2, but dunno how to get it if you don't have it`
`21:43.45`	`Crell`	`SSJ_GZ: Yes it's Kubuntu, and thanks.`
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`21:43.55`	`SSJ_GZ`	`Crell:np :)`
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`21:44.33`	`SSJ_GZ`	`Crell:Yeah, Kubuntu has made some rather ... odd changes to KDE.`
`21:44.50`	`Crell`	`So I'm finding.`
`21:45.01`	`Crell`	`Like the sickly purple highlight color. Ugh. :-)`
`21:45.21`	`Crell`	`Hm. Of course, it's not "how to change" but "how to reset", after I've spent a day reconfiguring already.`
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`21:46.53`	`SSJ_GZ`	`Crell:Incidentally, kubuntu has its own channel at #kubuntu which is pretty active - if you have any Kubuntu-specific issues, it's a good idea to ask there.`
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`21:47.47`	`Crell`	`I was there last night as well. I found about half my questions were better handled there, and half here. :-)`
`21:48.38`	`SSJ_GZ`	`Crell:Hehe =)`
`21:49.01`	`Crell`	`That's always an issue with any distro other than LFS.`
`21:50.20`	`Crell`	`And is it my imagination or are KDE-based apps crashing a lot more under Kubuntu then they did under Sid...`
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`21:57.27`	`Dr_willis`	`ive not noticed many crashes under kubuntu, dapper, or edgy versions...`
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`21:58.50`	`setog3`	`Crell: use debian !`
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`21:59.34`	`icwiener`	`Please, no Distro war. Not on Christmas Eve. You could make the child cry.`
`22:00.07`	`setog3`	`:D it's only a little joke ..`
`22:00.13`	`Crell`	`setog3: :-P`
`22:00.25`	`kirun`	`Yeah, shouldn't we have some kind of distro football match instead?`
`22:00.35`	`icwiener`	`hehe :D`
`22:00.39`	`Crell`	`American or European football?`
`22:00.43`	`Enverex`	`I'm running Gentoo and KDE is crash happy for me =/`
`22:00.48`	`Crell`	`Now THAT's something worth having a flame war over.`
`22:01.18`	`setog3`	`Crell: you use beryl with kde ?`
`22:01.32`	`Enverex`	`For instance if I click "Digital Camera" under Control Center then it will crash every time, but I do get random crashes with things like kdesktop (it just closes sometimes for no reason)`
`22:01.48`	`setog3`	`do you know an app to copy all the shortcut with kwin in beryl ?`
`22:02.13`	`Crell`	`setog3: Nope; never touched beryl.`
`22:02.13`	`rockprincess`	`hello! i have a question regarding bluetooth....can anyone help?`
`22:02.13`	`Crell`	`I'd much rather have a stable system than a pretty one. :-)`
`22:02.16`	`Crell`	`rockprincess: Ask and if someone can, they'll answer.`
`22:02.21`	`setog3`	`Crell: beryl seems to be stable .. on debian :D`
`22:02.28`	`setog3`	`ok ok I go out !`
`22:03.56`	`rockprincess`	`I've just plugged in my brand new bluetooth dongle, and wanted to synchronise it with my mobile phone...but somehow the KDE Bluetooth Client can't find my mobile phone....but vice versa it works...`
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`22:06.36`	`SSJ_GZ`	`rockprincess:Have you tried`
`22:06.45`	`SSJ_GZ`	`rockprincess:hcitool scan`
`22:06.50`	`SSJ_GZ`	`rockprincess:?`
`22:07.11`	`SSJ_GZ`	`rockprincess:Also, what distro are you using?`
`22:08.04`	`rockprincess`	`SSJ_GZ: I'm using Kubuntu`
`22:08.22`	`rockprincess`	`SSJ_GZ: what is hcitool scan? never heard of it`
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`22:08.43`	`Fenix_NBK_`	`hi all !`
`22:08.47`	`SSJ_GZ`	`rockprincess:http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/hcitool1.html :)`
`22:09.11`	`Fenix_NBK_`	`It's interesting why GwenView decided not to follow the KDE naming convention?`
`22:10.00`	`SSJ_GZ`	`rockprincess:Kubuntu 6.10 has some known issues with bluetooth: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems`
`22:10.43`	`rockprincess`	`SSJ_GZ: yep i'm using 6.10 :(`
`22:10.51`	`SSJ_GZ`	`rockprincess:Doh :(`
`22:11.20`	`LiquidNerd`	`my dongle works perfectly with 6.10`
`22:11.38`	`LiquidNerd`	`only once did I have trouble where I had to unplug the dongle and re plug it in`
`22:11.49`	`SSJ_GZ`	`SSJ_GZ:Hmmm....the bluetooth bug is claimed fixed. Are you completely up-to-date?`
`22:11.51`	`rockprincess`	`Scanning ...`
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`22:12.40`	`SSJ_GZ`	`rockprincess:Ok, looks like your bluetooth dongle is fine, so kdebluetooth is at fault.`
`22:12.40`	`setog3`	`who know a little plugin for konqueror to zoom (*2) all image in web page .. (like for the text .. but for the image .. I have bad eyes)`
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`22:13.06`	`rockprincess`	`SSJ_GZ: yeah that's what i thought as well....`
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`22:20.10`	`setog3`	`hmm .. thx to the develloper of adept ! thx .. kde is very a good app !`
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`22:20.53`	`rockprincess`	`SSJ_GZ: any idea how my phone could be recognized by kdebluetooth?`
`22:21.55`	`SSJ_GZ`	`rockprincess:No, sorry - just seems like a bug in kdebluetooth, to me :/ The only advice I can give is to maybe file a bug report, stating that hcitool scan finds the phone, but kdebluetooth doesn't.`
`22:22.24`	`rockprincess`	`SSJ_GZ: good idea ;)`
`22:22.38`	`SSJ_GZ`	`rockprincess:Good luck! :D`
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`23:13.16`	`Renze`	`bah humbug`
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`23:14.09`	`froog`	`how do I make kdm/kde to respect my .Xmodmap?`
`23:14.26`	`thiago`	`load it`
`23:14.59`	`froog`	`?`
`23:15.38`	`thiago`	`load your .Xmodmap`
`23:16.25`	`froog`	`thiago, kdm seems to ignore both .xinitrc and .xsession, from where should I load it?`
`23:16.36`	`Renze`	`~autostart`
`23:16.38`	`apt`	`To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273`
`23:16.45`	`Renze`	`froog: see above`
`23:17.04`	`thiago`	`froog: it loads ~/.xsession if you choose the "default" session`
`23:17.43`	`froog`	`thiago, well, I'm pretty sure I tried it, but I'll give it another go`
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`23:24.03`	`froog`	`thiago, .xsession is ignored even with default`
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`23:40.46`	`icwiener_`	`Is there a way to see the amarok configure options without running configure --help on the source?`
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`23:47.01`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`well i think my KDE kicker is not being shown when i move mouse to bottom of screen anymore (auto hide is usually on)`
`23:47.09`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`how do i resolve this ?`
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`23:48.48`	`pinotree`	`icwiener_: look at configure.in.in, but it's autoconf language...`
`23:50.23`	`icwiener_`	`pinotree: Oh, I meant without having the sources. :)`
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`23:50.46`	`pinotree`	`icwiener_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/amarok/`
`23:50.49`	`icwiener_`	`pinotree: They seem to have a wiki page for that but the wiki is down.`
`23:52.09`	`icwiener_`	`pinotree: Do you type URLs by hand? :D`
`23:52.09`	`icwiener_`	`It's http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/amarok/`
`23:52.09`	`pinotree`	`yep`
`23:52.09`	`icwiener_`	`pinotree: thx though :)`
`23:52.09`	`pinotree`	`ah, forgot mm`
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