irclog2html for #kde on 20061228

`00:00.10`	`MinceR`	`nice`
`00:00.42`	`Linux_Galore`	`MinceR: Palm actually has a Linux project too running on the back burner just in case`
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`00:01.42`	`MinceR`	`it's on the back burner.`
`00:01.45`	`Linux_Galore`	`MinceR: Linux is moving forward so fast you would have to be a fool not to keep an eye on it`
`00:02.11`	`MinceR`	`i keep an eye on it but unfortunately i don't see much progress on mobile devices`
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`00:02.31`	`Linux_Galore`	`MinceR: not in the USA you wont, in Asia it is`
`00:02.32`	`MinceR`	`just this palm os/windows/symbian crap spreading all the way`
`00:02.38`	`MinceR`	`i'm in europe`
`00:02.55`	`Linux_Galore`	`MinceR: Europe is just the USA market with different spelling`
`00:03.03`	`MinceR`	`:)`
`00:03.08`	`MinceR`	`maybe i should move to asia.`
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`00:03.41`	`Linux_Galore`	`MinceR: if you go to China or HK you see heaps of stuff never seen in Europe or the USA`
`00:04.21`	`Linux_Galore`	`MinceR: I dragged back a PVR two years ago from HK and it runs Linux`
`00:04.34`	`Linux_Galore`	`MinceR: Ive updated the hardisk`
`00:04.56`	`Linux_Galore`	`its based on a via cpu`
`00:05.32`	`Linux_Galore`	`Ive yet to see anything like it outside of asia`
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`00:15.38`	`Rocky_Spirit`	`amarok reads a playlist from a m3u file but when I restart amarok, it opens a old playlist and saying the xml file is invalid. any ideas?`
`00:18.16`	`Ace2016`	`Hi all`
`00:18.26`	`Ace2016`	`does konqueror support gmail's full view?`
`00:18.58`	`SimAtWork`	`kinda`
`00:19.10`	`SimAtWork`	`if you tell konqueror to show up as a firefox user agent you get all the features`
`00:19.14`	`SimAtWork`	`but it looks a little weird`
`00:19.16`	`SimAtWork`	`but still quite usable`
`00:20.08`	`Ace2016`	`yup did it, looks fine to me`
`00:20.13`	`Ace2016`	`someone should tell google`
`00:20.14`	`tbscope`	`Using the back button doesn't work for me though,`
`00:20.31`	`tbscope`	`in full view that is`
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`00:20.47`	`tbscope`	`same as in Opera by the way`
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`00:21.53`	`Ace2016`	`will konqueror have a combined stop/reload button in future, its feels like a waste of space on my toolbar :(`
`00:22.50`	`tbscope`	`A toolbar runs across the screen and unless you need the width of the screen for something, I don't see why a single button have to go`
`00:23.33`	`Ace2016`	`oh and will konqueror sort files the way we sort stuff like like 10.png after 9.png instead of 1.png, 10.png 11.png 2.png ...`
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`00:24.13`	`Ace2016`	`tbscope: it just makes it look messy, less clean`
`00:24.37`	`Jucato`	`Ace2016: combined stop/reload button, they're trying to do that for Konqueror in Kubuntu's next release`
`00:24.57`	`SimAtWork`	`Ace2016: i don't think sorting the way you suggest is correct.`
`00:25.07`	`tbscope`	`Ace2016: how would that sort algorithm work? For every number?`
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`00:25.11`	`Ace2016`	`yay! kubuntu people seem to be making lots of nice changes to kde`
`00:25.29`	`Jucato`	`neither do I`
`00:25.56`	`SimAtWork`	`Ace2016: if you want things to sort properly name them properly. ie 01, 02, 03, etc.`
`00:26.07`	`Ace2016`	`tbscope: count the number of consecative numbers and the start from the left, so 20000 would be before 1000000`
`00:26.26`	`SimAtWork`	`Ace2016: whatifyouhave a file like Meatbeach001-01`
`00:26.42`	`tbscope`	`Ace2016: so, abc10 would go after abc9 ?`
`00:26.44`	`Ace2016`	`SimAtWork: i know but sometimes it feels like a waste of time`
`00:26.46`	`SimAtWork`	`or Me at the beach 2006 - 05 - 12.jpg`
`00:27.08`	`SimAtWork`	`Ace2016: it just won't work`
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`00:28.54`	`SimAtWork`	`Ace2016: i guess it could be made to work for a large chunk of formats but then it'd be slow and seemingly inconsistent`
`00:28.58`	`SimAtWork`	`well maybe not slow, just wasteful`
`00:29.23`	`Ace2016`	`SimAtWork: thats true i guess`
`00:29.29`	`tbscope`	`in some cases, sorting like this would not make a list more clear, it would make it less clear`
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`00:30.35`	`SimAtWork`	`Ace2016: krename might do what you want though`
`00:30.35`	`Ace2016`	`options of natural sort and quick sort?`
`00:30.51`	`Jucato`	`el: moin! you're still up? :O`
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`00:31.29`	`el`	`heya Jucato - jupp, late morning ;-)`
`00:31.49`	`Jucato`	`el: a belated merry christmas to you :)`
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`00:32.07`	`Ace2016`	`SimAtWork: I'll try it, thanks`
`00:32.08`	`el`	`Jucato, thanks, and the same to you :) and a happy new year`
`00:32.20`	`Jucato`	`oh yeah, happy new year too! heheh :)`
`00:32.32`	`SimAtWork`	`Ace2016: remember that krename actually renames your files`
`00:32.37`	`pierreth`	`my OO looks bad`
`00:32.53`	`Jucato`	`el: btw, who's makes the design of basket.openusability.org?`
`00:32.53`	`pierreth`	`the menus are not black`
`00:33.03`	`Ace2016`	`pierreth: qtcurve will make it look nicer`
`00:33.20`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: is it something to install?`
`00:33.41`	`Jucato`	`in Kubuntu, there's a package that makes OO.o use KDE styles icons (and dialog boxes, iirc)`
`00:33.50`	`Jucato`	`dunno if that's widely available`
`00:33.50`	`Ace2016`	`pierreth: yup, its a theme for kde that makes gtk and qt (and java) apps look the same`
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`00:34.06`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: OK`
`00:34.08`	`imagine`	`Is there a KDE program for accounting???`
`00:34.12`	`el`	`Jucato, frank ploss. the basket openusability student.`
`00:34.20`	`pierreth`	`imagine: GNUCash`
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`00:34.38`	`imagine`	`pierreth: ty ^_^~`
`00:34.52`	`Jucato`	`el: um... have you seen the page? doesn't the combination of yellow and green on the page seem to be a bit too glaring?`
`00:35.06`	`Jucato`	`first time I opened the page, I sort of went "aaah! my eyes!"...`
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`00:36.28`	`el`	`Jucato, haven't seen it yet. i just wanted to have a look, but the wireless here is really slow. didn't open the page...`
`00:36.40`	`Jucato`	`aw... :(`
`00:36.42`	`el`	`Jucato, heh - i just met frank in person (the first time). we are at 23c3.`
`00:36.58`	`el`	`Jucato, is it that bad?`
`00:37.33`	`Jucato`	`not that bad... it's just uncomfortable at first, at least for me.`
`00:37.44`	`Jucato`	`or maybe it's just my monitor + my room lights on`
`00:37.51`	`el`	`Jucato, :)`
`00:38.09`	`Jucato`	`now that I don't have my lights on, it doesn't look as bad... but how many people use the computer in the dark? :)`
`00:38.29`	`el`	`Jucato, maybe it's for geeks only :)`
`00:38.35`	`Jucato`	`haha :)`
`00:38.49`	`pierreth`	`imagine: I like Gnucash, it is better than Quicken`
`00:39.33`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: I cannot install`
`00:39.48`	`Ace2016`	`pierreth: How are you trying to install it?`
`00:39.58`	`imagine`	`pierreth: I'll give it a try!`
`00:39.59`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: QtCurve`
`00:40.18`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: I have a problem with my autoconf`
`00:40.46`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: I always have problems with autoconf`
`00:41.31`	`Ace2016`	`pierreth: I installed it from a repo`
`00:41.48`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: I am on PCBSD`
`00:41.56`	`Ace2016`	`oh`
`00:42.27`	`Ace2016`	`care to convert?`
`00:43.07`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: to convert what?`
`00:43.18`	`Ace2016`	`Linux? kubuntu? :D`
`00:43.30`	`pierreth`	`I am from Kubuntu`
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`00:43.45`	`Ace2016`	`you went to pcbsd from kubuntu?`
`00:43.52`	`pierreth`	`yes`
`00:43.58`	`Ace2016`	`Why?`
`00:44.11`	`pierreth`	`PCBSD is much faster`
`00:44.20`	`pierreth`	`BSD kernel`
`00:44.44`	`pierreth`	`I don't like black screens`
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`00:44.54`	`nitpe`	`how to disable warning messages of the Qt/C++ (messages in stream buffer) ?`
`00:44.57`	`Ace2016`	`if its faster why doesn't everyone use bsd?`
`00:45.22`	`hollywoodb`	`Ace2016: linux has support for more devices`
`00:45.31`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: Why doesn't everyone using Mac instead Windows?`
`00:45.41`	`Ace2016`	`expensive?`
`00:45.55`	`pierreth`	`Mac are cheaper now`
`00:46.15`	`nitpe`	`please !! how to disable warning messages of the Qt/C++ (messages in stream buffer) ?`
`00:46.23`	`Ace2016`	`cheaper.. compared to what they used to be? or cheaper than a pc of the same spec?`
`00:46.38`	`pierreth`	`cheaper to pc of the same spec`
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`00:48.06`	`pierreth`	`Well, I guess, more people know Linux`
`00:48.08`	`hollywoodb`	`Ace2016: try build a PC with the same specs as a Mac Mini with the same form factor anywhere near the same price.... can't be done. There's still a premium on the MacBooks though`
`00:48.58`	`pierreth`	`May be but I was looking to buy a PC`
`00:49.09`	`pierreth`	`a good PC is not free`
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`00:49.25`	`pierreth`	`quality add to the cost`
`00:49.32`	`hollywoodb`	`yep`
`00:50.03`	`pierreth`	`know, I don't know, should I buy a Mac or PC?`
`00:50.25`	`Ace2016`	`PC`
`00:50.29`	`pierreth`	`I want a good machine to run a free OS`
`00:51.07`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: PC, OK, and how to choose?`
`00:51.17`	`Ace2016`	`You can get a good machine a free os and windows just in case of work/school/test qt app in wondows/whatever`
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`00:51.53`	`illogic-al`	`Ace2016: same can be said of a mac`
`00:52.04`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: Should I buy a machine from Gateway or build it myself?`
`00:52.20`	`Ace2016`	`pierreth: must have an nvidia card, ati drivers suck, intel lack power, 1GB+ of ram, dual layer rw, (or hddvd)`
`00:52.37`	`Ace2016`	`Building by yourself is fun`
`00:53.01`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: is this what you have?`
`00:53.18`	`Ace2016`	`illogic-al: more people use windows and it'd be cheaper to get mac os than vista so the pc with osx, is cheaper than the macosx with vista`
`00:53.39`	`Ace2016`	`pierreth: yup, but i need to upgrade soon, its getting old`
`00:54.01`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: I have a PIII`
`00:54.22`	`illogic-al`	`Ace2016: a) you can't legally run os x on PCs b) you can put XP an mac machines instead of vista.`
`00:54.38`	`illogic-al`	`which would be my recomendation for games/test/etc`
`00:54.48`	`pierreth`	`You don't like the new Intel Core Duo?`
`00:55.12`	`illogic-al`	`who me? I like the mac machine that come with them :-)`
`00:55.19`	`illogic-al`	`s/machine/machines`
`00:55.19`	`Ace2016`	`illogic-al: thats unfair, you got a legal copy of osx and they tell you what to run it on? thats insane`
`00:55.46`	`illogic-al`	`Ace2016: unfair or not, it's the law. if you don't like it... don't use it.`
`00:56.29`	`pierreth`	`illogic-al: no, I don't think it is the law, if you buy Mac OS. you can make it run on a PC`
`00:56.48`	`Ace2016`	`All a mac seems to be is a bunch of pc components in a shiny box with the apple logo`
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`00:57.00`	`illogic-al`	`pierreth: you can make it run, but it's not legal to install os x on pc machines`
`00:57.03`	`ytoox`	`I got many little icons on the kicker tray. How can I place them in a space saving order without closing those applications?`
`00:57.18`	`pierreth`	`illogic-al: I don't beleive you`
`00:57.34`	`pierreth`	`illogic-al: can you proove it?`
`00:57.45`	`illogic-al`	`pierreth: read apple's license agreement then. it's all there in black n' white.`
`00:57.57`	`Ace2016`	`well then you'd save more money and just get a pirate version`
`00:58.04`	`pierreth`	`illogic-al: this license is not legal`
`00:58.20`	`illogic-al`	`pierreth: i don't believe you`
`00:58.25`	`pierreth`	`lol`
`00:58.28`	`illogic-al`	`pierreth: can you proove it?`
`00:58.34`	`illogic-al`	`:-)`
`00:58.45`	`pierreth`	`there is a law against it`
`00:58.50`	`pierreth`	`in France`
`00:59.08`	`pierreth`	`may be in Canada`
`00:59.32`	`pierreth`	`but I'll ask a lawer about it`
`00:59.49`	`pierreth`	`This is a good question`
`00:59.54`	`illogic-al`	`indeed.`
`01:00.12`	`illogic-al`	`apple officiallt onyl allows developers to install OS X on PCs.`
`01:00.24`	`pierreth`	`of course but it is Apple`
`01:00.55`	`pierreth`	`like you can buy music to play on the iPod only`
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`01:01.18`	`pierreth`	`I had a Mac before`
`01:01.30`	`illogic-al`	`i have one now. with ubuntu :-)`
`01:01.49`	`pierreth`	`I don't like Apple to decide what I can do with my computer`
`01:01.59`	`pierreth`	`I had one Mac with Kubuntu too`
`01:02.06`	`illogic-al`	`they don't decide what you can do with your computer (yet).`
`01:02.16`	`pierreth`	`yes, they do`
`01:02.18`	`Theory`	`any hardware DRM in macs yet?`
`01:02.18`	`illogic-al`	`they decide what you can do with their OS`
`01:02.34`	`pierreth`	`Theory: yes`
`01:02.37`	`illogic-al`	`Theory: i think so (hence the "yet")`
`01:02.51`	`pierreth`	`you cannot copy DVDs`
`01:03.17`	`Theory`	`even under windows?`
`01:03.27`	`pierreth`	`under OS X`
`01:03.49`	`pierreth`	`You have to use the web cam from Apple`
`01:04.07`	`illogic-al`	`if you can do it on one operating system but not another that's a software implementation`
`01:04.20`	`pierreth`	`you cannot burn dvds with a burner that is not from Apple`
`01:04.46`	`illogic-al`	`pierreth: have you tried with an OS that is not provided by apple?`
`01:05.07`	`hollywoodb`	`pierreth: this is because OS X is tested and guaranteed to work with Apple hardware. So you get a level of compatibility that is very high and your system isn't hampered by a plethora of junk 3rd party drivers.`
`01:05.08`	`pierreth`	`yes, with Kubuntu, it was OK`
`01:05.08`	`illogic-al`	`pierreth: Theory specifically asked about hardware DRM, not just DRM`
`01:05.41`	`pierreth`	`all CPU are marked on the Mac`
`01:05.53`	`pierreth`	`since the core duo`
`01:06.19`	`illogic-al`	`I'm off kids. Time to see what follies MTV shall bring tonight.`
`01:06.21`	`Ace2016`	`marked?`
`01:06.25`	`pierreth`	`i cannot use airport with kubuntu on the mac`
`01:06.45`	`illogic-al`	`pierreth: that's odd. I can use it on ubuntu just fine.`
`01:06.46`	`pierreth`	`Ace2016: they have an id`
`01:07.02`	`illogic-al`	`(ok, so not quite "off" just yet) :-)`
`01:07.07`	`pierreth`	`illogic-al: for how much time?`
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`01:07.29`	`Ace2016`	`Anyone know a company that sells laptops with nvidia graphics in them?`
`01:07.32`	`pierreth`	`illogic-al: Apple is pushing for DRM`
`01:07.38`	`Ace2016`	`its like trying to find a kneedle in a hey stack`
`01:07.41`	`illogic-al`	`well, i haven't timed myself lately. but you said you couldn't use it. not that it only works intermittently.`
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`01:08.00`	`illogic-al`	`so i don't really see the point to that question...`
`01:08.09`	`chealer`	`hi`
`01:08.12`	`Ace2016`	`Hi`
`01:08.12`	`illogic-al`	`ho`
`01:08.17`	`pierreth`	`hi`
`01:08.30`	`illogic-al`	`:-)`
`01:08.32`	`chealer`	`is it possible to launch only one KDE app in a non-default language? something like $ LANG=C foo`
`01:08.43`	`illogic-al`	`yes!`
`01:08.43`	`anisX`	`illogic-al, long time no see :) how are u sir ?`
`01:08.48`	`illogic-al`	`KDE_LANG maybe?`
`01:09.02`	`illogic-al`	`anisX: I'm fine ma'am. and you?`
`01:09.29`	`chealer`	`illogic-al: something like that, maybe`
`01:09.51`	`anisX`	`illogic-al, i am ok , but our connection is not ok :D`
`01:10.18`	`illogic-al`	`chealer: i think that's what it is, KDE_LANG. try 'n see`
`01:10.23`	`illogic-al`	`anisX: how come?`
`01:10.42`	`anisX`	`illogic-al, earthquake at taiwan`
`01:11.00`	`illogic-al`	`pierreth: apple's DRM hasn't prevented me from using my MAC how I see fit so far.`
`01:11.10`	`chealer`	`illogic-al: oh, well KDE_LANG=C doesn't seem to work`
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`01:11.15`	`illogic-al`	`So the tinfoil fears have proven unfounded thus far.`
`01:11.28`	`pierreth`	`illogic-al: yes but Apple want to change the laws`
`01:11.35`	`anisX`	`illogic-al, http://www.tm.net.my/tmnet2006/contents/corporate/news_details.cfm?id=1108&type=News&pg=1 for more information ;)`
`01:11.37`	`thev`	`is there a way to group windows, so that when one in the group is raised, they all are? I'm thinking of GIMP`
`01:11.38`	`illogic-al`	`chealer: but that's just launch it in the default language wouldn't it?`
`01:11.41`	`nitpe`	`kill gnome`
`01:11.44`	`nitpe`	`and GTK`
`01:11.56`	`nitpe`	`long live to trolltech`
`01:11.58`	`illogic-al`	`and qT while we're at it.`
`01:12.09`	`chealer`	`illogic-al: AFAIK C is english. it still launches in french`
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`01:13.30`	`illogic-al`	`chealer: http://www.catatec.ch/vpipermail/gnu-rumantsch/2003q4/000023.html`
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`01:14.11`	`bwalle`	`hello, which component of KDE is reponsible for automatic mounting of volumes?`
`01:14.39`	`illogic-al`	`anisX: sorry to hear that.`
`01:14.46`	`illogic-al`	`hope you and the family are ok.`
`01:15.30`	`illogic-al`	`ok... I art off to the tele. night folks.`
`01:15.33`	`illogic-al`	`ttyl anisX`
`01:17.00`	`chealer`	`illogic-al: that seems to work, at least partly. thanks! :)`
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`01:18.27`	`chealer`	`it works if I set default language to english and override it with KDE_LANG=fr`
`01:18.52`	`chealer`	`however what I want to do is to override french with English. KDE_LANG=C,en,en_US don't seem to work`
`01:20.24`	`chealer`	`is anyone able to do that on its system?`
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`01:22.34`	`pierreth`	`can someone help me with autoconf?`
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`01:23.16`	`pierreth`	`all my install are not finding it`
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`01:27.31`	`icwiener_`	`I have my konqueror menu bar hidden on app startup. On a newly installed system, I tried to hide it, but it always is there again after I restarted konqueror (even when no instance is kept in mem). Is there a way to hide the menu bar permanently?`
`01:33.31`	`naereb`	`icwiener_: did you "save the profile" after the changes`
`01:35.04`	`icwiener_`	`naereb: This is not possible with hidden menu bar.`
`01:35.16`	`icwiener_`	`http://docs.kde.org/stable/de/kdebase/faq/filemanager.html#id2556619`
`01:35.16`	`naereb`	`good point :-)`
`01:35.22`	`icwiener_`	`Funny thing...`
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`01:37.11`	`icwiener_`	`I have that entry (MenuBar=Disabled) in konquerorrc but it keeps starting with enabled menu bar. But that, if I type /home/user/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc in the location bar and press enter, it seems to apply the file and hides the menu bar...`
`01:37.47`	`icwiener_`	`But after closing konqueror and reopening it, the menu bar is there again.`
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`01:39.46`	`bwalle`	`is it possible to disable automounting in KDE?`
`01:41.36`	`Renze`	`bwalle: kcontrol -> peripherals -> storage media`
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`01:47.41`	`icwiener_`	`Hmm? Did anyone remove all email address links from bugs.kde.org?`
`01:48.11`	`icwiener_`	`Oh, I guess my session just expired. ;)`
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`01:56.55`	`naereb`	`icwiener_`
`01:57.23`	`naereb`	`sorry can't find anything about it.`
`01:58.02`	`icwiener_`	`me neither... fair enough... thx`
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`02:11.10`	`chealer`	`sorry, my laptop died`
`02:11.33`	`chealer`	`I didn't get any answer to my question`
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`02:17.18`	`chealer`	`I found a solution: export KDE_LANG="en_US"`
`02:18.49`	`chealer`	`hum, $ KDE_LANG=en_US foo; works too. strange, I said it didn't work earlier`
`02:19.31`	`chealer`	`anyway, thanks for the help illogic-al`
`02:19.39`	`chealer`	`that will be useful`
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`02:23.50`	`Chicago`	`I'm trying to disable automounting. http://docs.kde.org/userguide/multimedia.html Says that if I remove the drive from /etc/fstab then I won't automount anymore.`
`02:24.12`	`Chicago`	`I am having a problem with K3b and want to ensure the drive is not accessed by any means other than through k3b.`
`02:24.38`	`Chicago`	`When KDE mounts the drive with hald to find if it's an 'unformated dvd' or 'DVD Video' disc...`
`02:25.13`	`Chicago`	`I think this interrupts my drive burning process because k3b pops the disc out after writing it and then un-ejects the drive to do the dvd disc verify...`
`02:25.23`	`Renze`	`Chicago: kcontrol -> peripherals -> storage media (set the default action for each type to "do nothing")`
`02:25.53`	`Renze`	`but I have no problems with k3b with that stuff enabled at all`
`02:26.30`	`Chicago`	`Renze: I'm specifically seeing "OPC failed. Please try writing speed 1x."`
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`02:26.41`	`Renze`	`Chicago: weird`
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`02:27.02`	`Chicago`	`Renze: I've also already changed the storage media to do nothing for all mime types.`
`02:27.27`	`Renze`	`sounds more like a not-quite-supported hardware issue to me`
`02:27.30`	`Chicago`	`Renze: KDE, however still will report the status of that storage device while k3b pops the disc in and out`
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`02:27.55`	`Renze`	`report status? all it should do is put an icon on the desktop if you have it set to do that`
`02:28.02`	`Chicago`	`Renze: I added myself to the plugdev group, and that didn't make a difference.`
`02:28.16`	`Chicago`	`Renze: I have the storage media applet instead.`
`02:28.23`	`Renze`	`same thing`
`02:29.07`	`Chicago`	`The issue for me is that I'm still making coasters now and again.`
`02:29.28`	`Chicago`	`The drive reports its writing at 8x or 10x sometimes... but I never see info for the device buffer and I never burn at 16x.`
`02:29.52`	`Renze`	`like I said before... sounds more like a not-quite-supported hardware issue to me`
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`02:32.26`	`Chicago`	`Renze: Do you think hdparm enhancements could be a cause?`
`02:32.39`	`Renze`	`I doubt it`
`02:32.57`	`Renze`	`(the only enhancement I use is to enable DMA)`
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`02:34.20`	`Chicago`	`I'm using ---> hdd_args="-a16 -c1 -d1 -u1"`
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`02:36.03`	`Renze`	`Chicago: I could see some of those possibly causing issues, but not like what you're reporting`
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`02:38.37`	`Chicago`	`Renze: Should I still try to eliminate KDE from being able to get information about the /dev/hdd so that possibly K3B can be exclusive and alone using it?`
`02:38.57`	`Renze`	`Chicago: I'm still not clear on what information KDE is getting`
`02:39.16`	`Chicago`	`Renze: According to here http://docs.kde.org/userguide/multimedia.html`
`02:39.27`	`Chicago`	`Renze: I'm proving KDE information from hald udev and dbus.`
`02:40.00`	`Renze`	`Chicago: it's only getting notification when a new media is detected`
`02:40.05`	`Renze`	`that's all`
`02:40.23`	`Chicago`	`Renze: Exactly. If KDE has that information, then it means the drive has been automounted.`
`02:40.34`	`Renze`	`no, not automounted... just present`
`02:40.42`	`Chicago`	`really?`
`02:40.47`	`Renze`	`yes, really`
`02:41.13`	`Renze`	`if you have KDE set to "do nothing", then it will not mount it`
`02:41.26`	`Renze`	`udev/hal/dbus do not mount`
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`02:41.48`	`Chicago`	`okay`
`02:42.17`	`Chicago`	`I'm about 3 more minutes this disc I'm burining should finish... pop out... and then re-insert for k3b to do the verify.`
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`02:42.40`	`Chicago`	`If it pops out and pops back in and the 'storage media' applets icons don't change... then I would assume do nothing is working right.`
`02:43.03`	`Renze`	`very likely`
`02:44.05`	`Chicago`	`I could also upgrade to the k3b 1.0 beta... but I'm on .12.17 right now.`
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`02:44.50`	`Chicago`	`I did read that growisofs (v7) in the dvd+rw-tools package has a different response in k3b beta 1 for giving the device buffer information I'm having trouble with.`
`02:45.11`	`nitpe`	`i love gnome`
`02:45.24`	`Renze`	`nitpe: then why are you in here?`
`02:45.36`	`nitpe`	`what ?`
`02:45.44`	`nitpe`	`oops... sorry`
`02:45.45`	`Renze`	`nitpe: this is #kde`
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`02:47.46`	`nitpe`	`i love gnome! yes! :] gnome is GTK, pure C ! millions of code line! full of functions lol :]`
`02:47.59`	`Renze`	`ah, a troll`
`02:48.02`	`Chicago`	`Renze: The KDE Daemon window still popped up. "A new medium has been detected. What do you want to do?" "Medium type: Unmounted DVD"...`
`02:48.20`	`Renze`	`Chicago: then set the default action for Unmounted DVD to "do nothing"`
`02:48.47`	`Chicago`	`With the checkbox for "Always do this for this type of media" selected?`
`02:49.05`	`Renze`	`if you're using that dialog, yes`
`02:49.11`	`Chicago`	`okie doke`
`02:49.12`	`Chicago`	`Thanks.`
`02:49.22`	`Renze`	`I set them all in kcontrol`
`02:49.23`	`luminoso`	`nitpe, isn't kde C?`
`02:49.24`	`Chicago`	`I hope these actions will keep me from seeing coasters.`
`02:49.29`	`Renze`	`kde is c++`
`02:49.38`	`Chicago`	`Renze: I set them at large in kcontrol also... for 'all mime types'.`
`02:49.57`	`Renze`	`Chicago: you have to set it for each type, I believe`
`02:49.59`	`Chicago`	`But I didn't set the 'automatically' option there.`
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`04:03.55`	`MindlessXD`	`could someone explain what the "Medium Summary" section means? see http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1tw5.png`
`04:04.44`	`aseigo`	`MindlessXD: it's a rather ugly box showing how much of that device is used`
`04:05.13`	`icwiener_`	`That shall be 4% in the bar? :)`
`04:05.23`	`aseigo`	`icwiener_: obviously ;)`
`04:05.32`	`MindlessXD`	`aseigo: it doesn't seem to be working, obviously 4% is not how much of my drive is used`
`04:06.42`	`icwiener_`	`MindlessXD: How much is used actuelly?`
`04:06.46`	`icwiener_`	`*actually`
`04:07.10`	`MindlessXD`	`the "Medium Information" section shows the correct info`
`04:08.20`	`MindlessXD`	`icwiener_: so about 64%`
`04:08.41`	`icwiener_`	`Oh, then the 4% and the ~25% bar are wrong.`
`04:08.52`	`aseigo`	`MindlessXD: yes, it looks horribly broken`
`04:09.00`	`aseigo`	`MindlessXD: ah, i wonder if it's total disk usage?`
`04:09.05`	`aseigo`	`MindlessXD: does that math work?`
`04:09.10`	`icwiener_`	`Or they are supposed to display another kind of data. :)`
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`04:10.50`	`MindlessXD`	`aseigo: total disk usage is ~45%`
`04:13.32`	`MindlessXD`	`it seems that for all the other partitions, the info is correct :/`
`04:13.38`	`aseigo`	`neat`
`04:14.06`	`icwiener_`	`aseigo: Just curious... Are you paid from Trolltech to work on KDE or only for Qt work and KDE is for fun?`
`04:14.22`	`aseigo`	`icwiener_: kde`
`04:14.37`	`aseigo`	`icwiener_: and kde is also fun. =)`
`04:14.43`	`icwiener_`	`hehe`
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`04:14.50`	`icwiener_`	`So you do not work on Qt?`
`04:15.02`	`aseigo`	`otherwise i don't suppose i'd be working on it at 21:14 ;)`
`04:15.28`	`icwiener_`	`aseigo: You are not swedish? ;)`
`04:15.28`	`aseigo`	`icwiener_: no. i do help triage issues to TT, etc.. but i don't actually work on Qt itself`
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`04:15.41`	`aseigo`	`icwiener_: heh. nope. just another canuckistani`
`04:16.00`	`icwiener_`	`aseigo: canuckistani?`
`04:16.14`	`qupada`	`icwiener_: that would be a person from canuckistan`
`04:16.52`	`aseigo`	`qupada: thank you for explaining it`
`04:16.53`	`icwiener_`	`I never heard that name. Just wondering where it would be.`
`04:16.59`	`aseigo`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canuckistan`
`04:17.12`	`icwiener_`	`Was on the way. ;)`
`04:17.31`	`icwiener_`	`Ah, I see. :)`
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`04:20.38`	`qupada`	`you have to realise however not everyone uses it as a negative term, that and/or referring to canadians as 'canucks' is just part of the vocabulary nowadays. also referring to 'canadia'`
`04:22.00`	`icwiener_`	`Ah, it did sound a bit like "I hate my country" former.`
`04:23.15`	`qupada`	`well i can't speak for aseigo, naturally, but a lot of people just use the term because it sounds funny`
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`04:33.30`	`neko_`	`kde programs blink in my gnome-panel. How do I stop this blinking? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yk8UOetrVY`
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`04:39.40`	`beg1689`	`hey guys`
`04:39.55`	`icwiener_`	`Hmm, doesn't the modules have to be rebuilt after running the configure script with --enable-debug=full? make doesn't do anythink after that.`
`04:39.55`	`beg1689`	`im not sure whats causing this problem so i dont know where to ask`
`04:40.07`	`Renze`	`neko_: looks like a problem that belongs in #gnome... ask them why their panel uses the wrong flags for notifications`
`04:40.20`	`beg1689`	`ahh nevermind this probably isnt the place..`
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`04:41.09`	`icwiener_`	`beg1689: Just ask`
`04:41.33`	`beg1689`	`well i tihnk its more of a 3d problem`
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`04:42.23`	`beg1689`	`the onyl visible sign i get that theres a problem is that the little bouncing icon cursor (when launching a program) has a black/white flickering background`
`04:43.02`	`Renze`	`compositing problem`
`04:43.54`	`neko_`	`When these things blink, they stay on both my workspaces, so I can't hide pr0n sometimes! x_x`
`04:43.54`	`beg1689`	`o rly?`
`04:43.59`	`beg1689`	`should compositing be enabled?`
`04:44.02`	`Renze`	`neko_: again, not a KDE problem, it's a gnome panel problem.`
`04:44.12`	`Renze`	`beg1689: are you using xgl/aiglx?`
`04:44.21`	`beg1689`	`i would like too`
`04:44.22`	`neko_`	`Yea, a kde user would say that. x_x`
`04:44.38`	`Renze`	`neko_: it's gnome panel using the wrong NETWM flags for notifications`
`04:44.56`	`neko_`	`Renze: Ok, I believe you. :3`
`04:45.05`	`neko_`	`Renze: You know how to fix maybe?`
`04:45.10`	`Renze`	`neko_: nope`
`04:45.17`	`Renze`	`neko_: stop using gnome? ;)`
`04:45.19`	`beg1689`	`so how would i go about fixing a "compositing problem"`
`04:45.36`	`Renze`	`beg1689: actually, now that I think about it, it sounds more like a video driver issue`
`04:45.57`	`beg1689`	`i dont see any issues with my driver`
`04:46.15`	`beg1689`	`opengl apps work fine`
`04:46.29`	`Renze`	`beg1689: do you have Option "RenderAccel" "true" in your xorg.conf?`
`04:46.33`	`beg1689`	`no`
`04:46.41`	`Renze`	`try it... it might help`
`04:46.41`	`beg1689`	`should i?`
`04:46.56`	`Renze`	`of course I'm grasping at straws since I've never seen this problem`
`04:46.56`	`beg1689`	`and you mentioned compositing before, should that be on or off?`
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`04:47.19`	`Ziggurat	`heys, all`
`04:47.22`	`Renze`	`beg1689: that depends on what you're doing, what video driver you're using, what window manager you're using, etc etc`
`04:47.26`	`Ziggurat	`how do i change a KDM theme`
`04:47.29`	`beg1689`	`ok..`
`04:47.34`	`Ziggurat	`i tried the installer, it does not work`
`04:47.45`	`beg1689`	`well if i ever get it working id like to use kde, beryl, nvidia`
`04:48.58`	`Renze`	`beryl will be completely unnecessary with KDE4`
`04:49.14`	`neko_`	`Renze: It doesn't seem to blink when I do something, it's almost like it starts blinking after five+ minutes. Any idea what this timed notification thing is?`
`04:49.36`	`Renze`	`neko_: none whatsoever... I don't use gnome, nor have it installed`
`04:50.05`	`beg1689`	`which is when, another year or so?`
`04:50.14`	`Renze`	`6-8 months, hopefully`
`04:50.39`	`beg1689`	`when those vista idiots will be all happy thinking that aero is unique and there was no good desktop effects before?`
`04:50.43`	`beg1689`	`stupid ignorant people`
`04:51.09`	`Renze`	`let the sheep use vista... I prefer only smart people using linux :D`
`04:53.37`	`Linux_Galore`	`hmm`
`04:54.02`	`Linux_Galore`	`Vista = use what we say how we say on your computer`
`04:54.15`	`Linux_Galore`	`welcome to DRM hell`
`04:54.23`	`Linux_Galore`	`should be the Vista logo`
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`04:56.53`	`flameMan`	`feliz ano novo! :]`
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`05:01.39`	`Bugz`	`KDE question: Anyone hear of KDE bug causing Xorg to slowly start consuming resources? It only happens when the computer is locked. It's not the OpenGL screensaver, as in Gnome I don't have the problem. Xorg keeps eating CPU resources until it maxes out on one of my CPUs and locks X.`
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`05:02.06`	`Renze`	`Bugz: not that I've heard of`
`05:02.20`	`Renze`	`Bugz: have you searched bugs.kde.org ?`
`05:02.49`	`Bugz`	`I had the issue with openSUSE 10.1 and Xorg 6.9, and now with openSUSE 10.2 and Xorg 7.2. I've just been doing Google searches.`
`05:03.05`	`Bugz`	`I'll go give that a search.`
`05:03.14`	`Renze`	`no problem here with Gentoo/Xorg 7.1, with an uptime of 34 days`
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`05:05.46`	`Bugz`	`I'm still a relatively new convert to Linux, and other than this it's worked real well for me.`
`05:05.55`	`Bugz`	`Isn't Gentoo the compile everything distro?`
`05:05.59`	`Renze`	`yep`
`05:06.47`	`Bugz`	`You know, if I would have probably ran this 32 bit I wouldn't have these issues, :)`
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`05:12.08`	`towlieban`	`hey does anyone here program with QT ?`
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`05:20.12`	`towlieban`	`hey Linux_Galore are you here`
`05:20.31`	`Linux_Galore`	`towlieban: now I am`
`05:21.10`	`Jucato`	`no you aren't! you're just a figment of my imagination...`
`05:21.20`	`towlieban`	`hey im hacing a problem running make on my qt based program it says it cant find qframe.h. how do i tell make where to find the qt header files ? i set qtinclude path variable`
`05:21.23`	`Renze`	`no, I'm the figment`
`05:21.25`	`Linux_Galore`	`Bugz: run ksysguard, bet its not Xorg but something else`
`05:21.41`	`Jucato`	`Renze: you're not even a figment... :)`
`05:22.23`	`Linux_Galore`	`towlieban: so you have installed the dev packages for QT ?`
`05:22.27`	`towlieban`	`yea`
`05:22.38`	`towlieban`	`i know the path to the qt header files`
`05:24.54`	`chealer`	`how can I record sound which is playing through aRts?`
`05:25.02`	`towlieban`	`Linux_Galore got any ideas ?`
`05:25.31`	`Linux_Galore`	`towlieban: this on cygwin`
`05:25.40`	`Linux_Galore`	`towlieban: you have to set the path variable`
`05:25.41`	`towlieban`	`yea but its the same as in linux`
`05:25.44`	`towlieban`	`i know`
`05:25.49`	`towlieban`	`i set QTINCLUDEPATH`
`05:26.25`	`Linux_Galore`	`set QTDIR=C:\path\to\whatever`
`05:26.41`	`towlieban`	`why does QTDIR have to be set`
`05:27.12`	`Linux_Galore`	`towlieban: its an example`
`05:27.34`	`towlieban`	`hmm ok`
`05:30.10`	`Linux_Galore`	`towlieban: although you should set the qtdir path`
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`05:31.12`	`towlieban`	`damn. my qt app wont compile under cygwin`
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`05:31.53`	`towlieban`	`i know that it compiles cleanly in linux natively`
`05:33.13`	`Jucato`	`must be something in cygwin that requires additional tweaking...`
`05:33.21`	`towlieban`	`:p`
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`05:33.43`	`Renze`	`tweaking with a sledgehammer`
`05:33.49`	`towlieban`	`:p`
`05:34.05`	`Renze`	`or tweaking with the "format C:" command`
`05:35.19`	`Jucato`	`gah!!!`
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`05:37.14`	`towlieban`	`Renze i tried that it didnt seem to work... just said that it was erasing a lot of files`
`05:37.43`	`Renze`	`that can only be an improvement ;)`
`05:38.02`	`towlieban`	`at least it will make more room on my hard drive right ?`
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`06:04.10`	`smoothies`	`Drop shadows`
`06:04.10`	`smoothies`	`2.) Better support for Mandriva distribution`
`06:04.10`	`smoothies`	`3.) Repaired make system for all dist`
`06:04.18`	`smoothies`	`oops sorry guys, wrong paste`
`06:04.29`	`smoothies`	`could someone try download kbfx at from the source download link on this page http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24898, i can't download it, and i just wanted to see if it's just me or the server is down`
`06:06.04`	`Bugz`	`Looks like the server`
`06:06.29`	`smoothies`	`thanks alot Bugz, i posted this too in another chat room and no one responded =)`
`06:07.31`	`icwiener_`	`Jucato: Earthquake damage.`
`06:07.55`	`icwiener_`	`Taiwan`
`06:08.18`	`smoothies`	`really, wow, how big is it, hopefully it wasn't that bad but apparently it is since websites are affected`
`06:08.19`	`icwiener_`	`Me neither. It was in the IT-News today.`
`06:08.32`	`smoothies`	`cool i'll google for it =)`
`06:09.08`	`Jucato`	`icwiener_: I only heard about it today actually lol`
`06:09.16`	`icwiener_`	`One man died.`
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`06:10.30`	`smoothies`	`cool`
`06:10.33`	`Jucato`	`it seems that the biggest casualty is the internet...`
`06:10.34`	`Bugz`	`2 dead, 6.7 mag earthquake, fiber broken badly`
`06:10.45`	`smoothies`	`well not cool, but i meant cool as in ok, earlier`
`06:11.09`	`Bugz`	`Quote from CNN:A powerful earthquake off the southern tip of Taiwan late Tuesday damaged up to a dozen fiber-optic cables that cross the ocean floor south of Taiwan. They usually carry traffic between China, Japan, Korea, Southeast Asia, the U.S. and the island itself.`
`06:11.25`	`Jucato`	`icwiener_: remember our little discussion about the Deitel C++ How to Program book, and how much it costs when bought online (almost $100)?`
`06:11.36`	`icwiener_`	`Jucato: Yes`
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`06:13.31`	`icwiener_`	`Can I let my mind wander or is there actually coming something? :)`
`06:13.51`	`Jucato`	`icwiener_: well, when we (my sister and I) went out to buy a violin (which we weren't able to buy), I found a local reprint of the same 5th edition (although 1 revision older) for around US$ 13!`
`06:14.07`	`icwiener_`	`wow!`
`06:14.23`	`Jucato`	`(I also saw, for around US$ 38 each, the KDE 2.0 Development book, Teach Yourself KDE 1.1, and O Reilly's Qt Programming (1.x and 2.x))`
`06:14.26`	`icwiener_`	`How much older is one revision?`
`06:14.47`	`Jucato`	`(pardon if I'm lagging...)`
`06:17.11`	`icwiener_`	`Have you bought something?`
`06:17.29`	`icwiener_`	`I consider 38 USD for a KDE2 book a bit too much, though.`
`06:19.41`	`icwiener_`	`I see a KDE and QT book for 2.0 and 2.1 resp for 18 USD here. But they are just old. I think if one want's to learns something like Qt, it's better to learn the new stuff. The development is too fast to buy a book that's 4 Years old.`
`06:22.02`	`bluelightning`	`there are qt4 programming books out now`
`06:22.35`	`bsdfox_`	`there isn't a kde4 overlay for gentoo yet is there?`
`06:23.21`	`icwiener_`	`bluelightning: Right. And for only 10 USD more, it is definitely woth the newer version.`
`06:23.31`	`icwiener_`	`bsdfox_: No, afaik not.`
`06:23.56`	`icwiener_`	`*worth`
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`06:24.24`	`somekool`	`hi there`
`06:24.41`	`smoothies`	`the text under all my desktop icons all have a thin white border around each letter, how do i fix that, thx`
`06:24.45`	`Jucato`	`grrr!!! :(`
`06:24.46`	`somekool`	`what is recommended to use for KDE between (avahi, howl and mDNSResponder) what works the best?`
`06:27.07`	`icwiener_`	`Jucato: wb ;)`
`06:27.28`	`Jucato`	`icwiener_: thanks... I'm hating this... :(`
`06:27.37`	`icwiener_`	`Jucato: What happened?`
`06:28.08`	`Jucato`	`icwiener_: seems like our country's internet connection is affected by the Taiwan earthquake..`
`06:28.19`	`smoothies`	`what's ur country`
`06:28.31`	`icwiener_`	`Jucato: Ah, I see. Things happen...`
`06:28.33`	`smoothies`	`actually non of my business, why is kbfxconfig in the lost and found tab`
`06:28.56`	`smoothies`	`kbfxconfig and doom3 are all in the "lost and found" tab in kmenu`
`06:29.06`	`smoothies`	`do i have to worry about that?`
`06:29.15`	`Jucato`	`smoothies: Philippines. and I don't know about kbfxconfig :)`
`06:29.22`	`smoothies`	`cool =)`
`06:29.29`	`smoothies`	`how do i start kbfx`
`06:29.34`	`smoothies`	`i tried konsole, that didn't work`
`06:29.44`	`smoothies`	`i tried looking under kmenu, nothing there =(`
`06:30.23`	`Jucato`	`I think it's a kicker applet, right-click on the panel -> add applet. not really sure though`
`06:30.50`	`Jucato`	`icwiener_: well, now that I have the C++ book I want/need, now I can ask my folks in the US to help me get a Qt book :)`
`06:31.02`	`icwiener_`	`hehe`
`06:31.24`	`icwiener_`	`Qt4 preferably :)`
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`06:33.21`	`Jucato`	`of course. Either the "Introduction to Design Patterns in C++ with Qt4" or the "C++ GUI Programming using Qt 4"`
`06:33.41`	`Jucato`	`(C++ GUI Programming using Qt 3 is freely and legally available for download :D )`
`06:34.12`	`Jucato`	`I wonder if someone will make a follow up of the KDE 2.0 Development book... :)`
`06:34.35`	`icwiener_`	`I guess the hype about KDE4 will bring that up...`
`06:34.47`	`Jucato`	`heh :)`
`06:36.22`	`icwiener_`	`gimme gimme gimme :D`
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`06:41.35`	`Jucato`	`you already have one for Christmas :P`
`06:41.35`	`somekool`	`what is recommended to use for KDE between (avahi, howl and mDNSResponder) what works the best?`
`06:41.35`	`icwiener_`	`Jucato: I meant, that's what you could write. ;)`
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`06:41.36`	`Renze`	`man, the Wii chews through batteries for breakfast`
`06:41.36`	`Renze`	`gotta get some NiMH`
`06:41.36`	`icwiener_`	`hehe`
`06:41.37`	`Jucato`	`what I could write? :O`
`06:41.37`	`bsdfox_`	`lithium ion`
`06:41.37`	`Renze`	`bsdfox_: too expensive`
`06:41.38`	`qupada`	`Jucato: you need an idea for a program? because i have something that i would be grateful for someone to write for me`
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`06:41.38`	`bsdfox_`	`do the wii controllers have a charging base?`
`06:41.38`	`Renze`	`kpizza?`
`06:41.38`	`qupada`	`and 1.5V Li-Ion rechargables don't exactly exist`
`06:41.38`	`Renze`	`bsdfox_: no, they take standard AA batteries`
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`06:41.39`	`bsdfox_`	`suck`
`06:41.54`	`qupada`	`there is the 3V CRV3 or whatever it is, but the device has to be able to fit one, because they're a strange shape`
`06:42.01`	`Renze`	`so I need 4 x AA NiMH and a charger`
`06:42.02`	`Jucato`	`qupada: hold your horses... I ain't even in the "learning C++" part :D`
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`06:42.53`	`qupada`	`Renze: http://www.mahaenergy.com/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=407&cur=features#mid`
`06:43.13`	`qupada`	`if you're after a kick-arse charger that's what you want. they probably make a 4-cell if you don't want the 8`
`06:43.15`	`Renze`	`I don't need that many :D`
`06:44.04`	`qupada`	`Jucato: heh, all good. maybe i need to learn too`
`06:45.07`	`icwiener_`	`Awww. It was dry weather for 6 days now, and an hour ago it started raining. That's even worse since I have to go through the whole town now. :(`
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`06:46.04`	`computer`	`how do i install icons that i downloaded`
`06:46.12`	`computer`	`i click on index.desktop and it gives me error`
`06:46.32`	`computer`	`saying it has index.desktop has no Type entry`
`06:47.04`	`Jucato`	`computer: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-desktop.html`
`06:47.04`	`Jucato`	`go to the Icons section`
`06:47.11`	`Jucato`	`yes, you actually don't need to extract the icon them archive (.tar.gz or something)`
`06:47.29`	`computer`	`o thx alot =)`
`06:48.21`	`qupada`	`Renze: don't lie and say you'd be in heaven, you'd be bored out of your tree`
`06:48.33`	`Renze`	`qupada: I'm having enough difficulty imagining it :D`
`06:48.51`	`Renze`	`cannot... imagine... impossibility...`
`06:49.13`	`computer`	`where's the kde control center?`
`06:49.38`	`Renze`	`Jucato: much better, isn't it?`
`06:49.40`	`icwiener_`	`computer: Alt+F2 -> kcontrol`
`06:49.55`	`Jucato`	`computer: um... you can use System Settings -> Appearance`
`06:49.58`	`Renze`	`computer: 8 years ago`
`06:50.02`	`computer`	`cool thx`
`06:50.06`	`computer`	`Renze didn't really care`
`06:50.18`	`computer`	`i will`
`06:50.19`	`Renze`	`computer: and that's after 15 years of computer use already`
`06:50.54`	`Renze`	`thankfully I only used Windows for 9 months, so I avoided most of the brain damage`
`06:52.09`	`icwiener_`	`And then you gave bith to a linux box?`
`06:52.12`	`Jucato`	`hah no reaction yet from kfm-devel ML... wonder if that's a good thing...`
`06:52.13`	`icwiener_`	`*birth`
`06:52.26`	`icwiener_`	`Jucato: Your patch?`
`06:52.34`	`Renze`	`icwiener_: no, just built it ;)`
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`06:53.22`	`Jucato`	`icwiener_: yeah`
`06:53.40`	`Jucato`	`Renze: did you give it the proper number of chromosomes? :D`
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`06:54.00`	`Renze`	`Jucato: not really... it was DeadRat 4.2 :D`
`06:54.17`	`Renze`	`but I was compiling kernels by the end of the week :D`
`06:54.18`	`Jucato`	`icwiener_: I was just expecting it was going to get shot down (seeing how the original config option to middle-click to close was almost shot down)`
`06:54.18`	`icwiener_`	`Jucato: Somebody jus said, that there are many people reading the list. That's mostly good, but sometimes not so good if nobody feels responsible. ;)`
`06:55.41`	`Renze`	`Ich bin ein geek`
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`06:55.50`	`monzie`	`hi all`
`06:55.59`	`Renze`	`fonzie? oh, no... not cool enough`
`06:56.03`	`monzie`	`i am using KHTML in my application and want some help with that`
`06:56.07`	`monzie`	`can someone please help me?`
`06:56.21`	`Jucato`	`monzie: you could try asking in #khtml`
`06:56.30`	`Renze`	`or in #kde-devel`
`06:56.34`	`monzie`	`thanks Jucato`
`06:56.42`	`monzie`	`Renze: #kde-devel did not work`
`06:56.49`	`Renze`	`they're probably asleep`
`06:56.52`	`icwiener_`	`monzie: be more patient`
`06:57.03`	`computer`	`in general: why are there people so sensitive about windows, like at the first mention of windows, freaks would be like eeeeeek windows, ooo why would you this and that about using windows features, calm down, the point is to take whatever works, whatever is good, and put it in ur comp, example: kmenu panel bar that comes with edgy is a piece of crap, all i did was ask how to make it look nice like windows vista panel bar and i got a`
`06:57.03`	`computer`	`bunch of uesless replies in another chatroom about why would you use bother with windows look, hello?! it looks better? anyway, that was an unecessary rant =)`
`06:57.29`	`computer`	`wow that looks more embarassing then i thought it would =)`
`06:57.31`	`Renze`	`uh?`
`06:57.40`	`computer`	`uh was that about u?`
`06:58.05`	`Renze`	`no, just wondering about the rant... and about the claim that windows looks better :D`
`06:58.23`	`Renze`	`but then I guess tastes vary`
`06:58.29`	`computer`	`about the claims, lmao, who here actually uses the kmenu panel bar that came with edgy install`
`06:58.37`	`Renze`	`I don't use kubuntu`
`06:58.53`	`computer`	`well nobody that uses kubuntu still use the kmenu bar that came with edgy`
`06:59.02`	`computer`	`cuz it's a piece of crap`
`06:59.24`	`Jucato`	`I do, from time to time. although I use katapult most of the time`
`06:59.47`	`Jucato`	`hm... panel bar? or the K Menu applet? don't confuse the two`
`06:59.54`	`computer`	`well that's just my point, not everything looks good in standard kubuntu`
`07:00.23`	`somekool`	`Renze how many hours you:ve been playing ? mines are still full`
`07:00.30`	`computer`	`whatever standard ugliness they shipped with kubuntu =)`
`07:00.32`	`Jucato`	`then don't use standard kubuntu...`
`07:00.38`	`Renze`	`somekool: about a week of Twilight Princess`
`07:00.39`	`computer`	`yeah that's what i'm trying to do`
`07:00.49`	`computer`	`and that started a whole discussion in another channel earlier`
`07:00.59`	`Renze`	`somekool: I'm onto my second batch of batteries... the pack-ins were flat by day eight`
`07:01.33`	`computer`	`well this is what i did, pop in live cd, install it on harddrive, it looks like crap, and i try change it`
`07:01.37`	`Jucato`	`computer: beauty and ugliness are very subjective. starting a discussion about them is almost pointless`
`07:01.39`	`Renze`	`the Panasonic Oxyrides are down to about 75%`
`07:02.01`	`somekool`	`Renze were they panasonic batteries?`
`07:02.11`	`computer`	`yeah well i'm not being subjective, just look around google, i don't see very many screen shots with standard kubuntu panel bar`
`07:02.12`	`Renze`	`somekool: the pack-ins? yes, Panasonic Alkaline`
`07:02.18`	`computer`	`everyone modified it`
`07:02.37`	`somekool`	`hmm, interresting, I:ll see how it goes`
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`07:03.07`	`computer`	`why would they do that if they didn't like the way standard kubuntu looked`
`07:03.15`	`Jucato`	`computer: and by everyone, you mean all Kubuntu users? how have you accounted for all of them?`
`07:03.21`	`Renze`	`who sticks with the defaults? almost nobody`
`07:03.26`	`computer`	`not very subjective, only statistically speaking`
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`07:03.33`	`computer`	`i never said everyone`
`07:03.36`	`Jucato`	`because they have their own preferences`
`07:03.38`	`Renze`	`personalisation is kde's strength`
`07:03.50`	`computer`	`i only said not very often do i see unmodified kubuntu looks online`
`07:03.52`	`Renze`	`defaults are for monkeys`
`07:03.53`	`Jucato`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:04.04`	`somekool`	`Renze right, about nobody, especially those making public screenshots of their desktop`
`07:04.11`	`computer`	`well my point still stands if u replace the word everyone with majority, doesn't it`
`07:04.32`	`Renze`	`computer: are the majority publishing screenshots? I think not`
`07:04.39`	`computer`	`i like kubuntu exactly because it's very customizable`
`07:04.42`	`Jucato`	`not even. statistics is very tricky. you can only safely say, "a majority of user screenshots available online"`
`07:04.52`	`computer`	`why is it that when someone says one little thing they don't like kubuntu, everyone gets pissed off`
`07:05.14`	`computer`	`and what don't i like about kubuntu? just the way the panel bar looked, why is that a big deal`
`07:05.19`	`Renze`	`I'm not pissed off... I neither like or use kubuntu. but your statistics are seriously flawed`
`07:05.22`	`Jucato`	`btw, if you should really know, the default Kubuntu panel is, in almost every way, the KDE default panel as well`
`07:05.27`	`somekool`	`Renze does zelda has a lot of story,... if you could not read english. do you think you could still appreciate the game?`
`07:05.37`	`Renze`	`somekool: it has a lot of story`
`07:05.39`	`Jucato`	`computer: you'd be surprised, very few like Kubuntu here`
`07:05.44`	`computer`	`well default doesn't look very good and people change it`
`07:06.21`	`Jucato`	`so why bark on Kubuntu? bark on MEPIS, on KNOPPIX, on KDE, fwiw`
`07:06.28`	`Renze`	`somekool: I'm not sure what languages it is available in, however`
`07:06.39`	`somekool`	`here, only japanese ;`
`07:06.44`	`computer`	`who's barking, i only brought up a tiny point about panel bar, and i'm receiving a bunch of barking lol`
`07:06.57`	`Renze`	`somekool: Nintendo is a japanese company... I'm sure the Japan version is in Japanese`
`07:07.01`	`somekool`	`I got Sega Bleach, its pretty cool, but I need something else. and I:m not too sure. NecroNesia looks awesome`
`07:07.05`	`computer`	`why bark on me, since very few people llike kubuntu, lets go bark on kubuntu`
`07:07.23`	`computer`	`u guys can start, cuz i actually like kubuntu lol`
`07:07.26`	`somekool`	`Renze i know that. thats why I:m asking if you could appreciate/enjoy the game if you could not read?`
`07:07.27`	`Jucato`	`"example: kmenu panel bar that comes with edgy is a piece of crap" <--- that's barking`
`07:07.27`	`Renze`	`somekool: not many good games available here yet`
`07:07.40`	`Renze`	`somekool: you mean illiterate?`
`07:07.45`	`computer`	`example: typing what u typed <-- unnnecssaryie barking`
`07:07.56`	`Jucato`	`<computer> cuz it's a piece of crap <--- "bark"`
`07:08.10`	`computer`	`<Jucato> <computer> cuz it's a piece of crap <--- "bark" <- and again`
`07:08.12`	`Renze`	`somekool: the game requires the ability to read, I'm afraid`
`07:08.30`	`Jucato`	`somekool: Sega Bleach? is that related to the anime Bleach?`
`07:08.34`	`somekool`	`Renze thanks. I was just double checking`
`07:08.41`	`Renze`	`Jucato: yes`
`07:08.41`	`computer`	`by Renze standard, jucato is not pissed off lol`
`07:09.00`	`Renze`	`I'm just outspoken ;)`
`07:09.02`	`somekool`	`Jucato yes ! there is a DS title and a Wii one. Its a lot of fun to bash onto your friends with the wii mote`
`07:09.05`	`Renze`	`right, Jucato? :)`
`07:09.22`	`computer`	`by Jucato's vocabulary, yes, wait no, barking i meant`
`07:09.26`	`Jucato`	`Renze: ooooh...`
`07:09.44`	`Linux_Galore`	`hmm`
`07:09.49`	`computer`	`lol`
`07:10.12`	`Jucato`	`Renze: of course :)`
`07:10.25`	`RAV_TUX`	`Jucato: what up?`
`07:10.32`	`Renze`	`~up`
`07:10.39`	`apt`	`[up] the opposite of down`
`07:10.45`	`RAV_TUX`	`Renze: how is you be?`
`07:10.58`	`Renze`	`I be chillin', homey`
`07:10.59`	`Jucato`	`somekool: I can think of a people I'd love to bash online with that remote... but I'd end up breaking it...`
`07:10.59`	`Jucato`	`er... "a few people"`
`07:11.13`	`RAV_TUX`	`nice homeslice`
`07:11.46`	`Jucato`	`Renze: definitely not you :P`
`07:11.53`	`Renze`	`Jucato: I know :D`
`07:11.54`	`Jucato`	`I wouldn't want to waste a remote on you :)`
`07:11.57`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: I use kickoff, kmenu does suck -> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=50240`
`07:12.40`	`Jucato`	`Linux_Galore: I already am using it... but still feels a bit... clunky...`
`07:12.53`	`Jucato`	`somekool: for the same purpose, I use Katapult`
`07:13.06`	`Linux_Galore`	`somekool: alt f2 is slow, try kataputs it has autocomplete`
`07:13.15`	`Linux_Galore`	`katapult*`
`07:13.26`	`somekool`	`right katacult is awesome, I installed it. but I use alt-f2 for so many years that I just dont think about using katapult ;)`
`07:13.51`	`Jucato`	`Linux_Galore: basically, I want a way to arrange the tabs myself... I don't want the My Favorites to be at the left end`
`07:14.08`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: kickoff is like that`
`07:14.09`	`somekool`	`alt-f2 autocompletes stuff you already typed in. there is everything i need already`
`07:14.24`	`Jucato`	`Run Command's autocomplete is a bit different from GNOME's and Katapults`
`07:14.33`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: you can also define your favorites on the run`
`07:14.43`	`Jucato`	`Linux_Galore: hm... I haven't seen the option to move the tabs around`
`07:15.14`	`Jucato`	`Linux_Galore: yes I know that... but I want to be able move (and even rename) the tabs`
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`07:15.34`	`somekool`	`anyone ever found how to quit gnome ? ;)`
`07:15.50`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: hmm wonder if that in the kickoffrc file`
`07:16.13`	`Linux_Galore`	`somekool: ctrl alt backspace`
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`07:16.35`	`Jucato`	`Linux_Galore: let me check`
`07:21.12`	`Renze`	`somekool: here's a site you might find useful: http://www.benmii.com/`
`07:21.58`	`somekool`	`Linux_Galore ;P me too`
`07:23.07`	`Jucato`	`Linux_Galore: there doesn't seem to be a kickoffrc`
`07:23.22`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: I noticed`
`07:23.31`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: wonder where it puts its settings`
`07:24.18`	`somekool`	`Renze interresting`
`07:24.45`	`somekool`	`I'm finally passing my gentoo system from xorg 6.8 to 7.1`
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`07:25.21`	`Jucato`	`Linux_Galore: well, that's just one of my "issues" with kickoff... aside from being a bit.. "big"`
`07:25.36`	`Jucato`	`(you can only resize the height, but not the width)`
`07:25.37`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: seems like kickoff uses kmenurc`
`07:26.02`	`Jucato`	`Linux_Galore: then the arrangement of the tabs is probably hardcoded`
`07:26.15`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: no you can define that in kmenu rc`
`07:26.40`	`Jucato`	`the arrangement of the tabs? how?`
`07:27.03`	`Jucato`	`I'm talking about the My Favorites, Recently Used, My Computer, All Programs, and Leave tabs`
`07:31.50`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: let me ask in the suse channel`
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`07:34.52`	`Jucato`	`ok`
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`07:35.12`	`Jucato`	`Linux_Galore: you're already confused on which channel to talk to me? :D`
`07:35.18`	`Linux_Galore`	`nope`
`07:35.27`	`Linux_Galore`	`heh`
`07:35.56`	`Jucato`	`:P`
`07:36.00`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: no response yet`
`07:36.05`	`Renze`	`"I do not like green eggs and ham" "then uninstall them, sam I am"`
`07:36.23`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: from the suse channel`
`07:36.35`	`Jucato`	`Linux_Galore: no biggie :)`
`07:36.59`	`Jucato`	`i expect the option is in the source`
`07:37.26`	`Linux_Galore`	`Jucato: very little info on kickoff`
`07:37.54`	`Jucato`	`very`
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`08:18.39`	`Shirakawasuna`	`woo for vlc 0.9 to have a qt interface`
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`08:21.21`	`somekool`	`Renze based on gentoo?`
`08:21.32`	`Renze`	`somekool: ?`
`08:21.40`	`somekool`	`Renze Seuss Linux`
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`08:21.49`	`Renze`	`somekool: I was kidding ;)`
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`08:22.08`	`Renze`	`somekool: have you never read any Dr. Seuss books? ;)`
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`08:33.13`	`somekool`	`Renze guess i did not, no ;)`
`08:33.37`	`somekool`	`i was really wondering if you were really serious creating a new distro. I think we got plenty of choice now`
`08:33.47`	`Renze`	`more than we need ;)`
`08:33.58`	`Renze`	`every boy and his dog are making distros these days :D`
`08:34.19`	`Renze`	`I'm happy with gentoo anyway... I see no reason for yet another distro`
`08:35.03`	`Jucato`	`I'm happy with my shirt... I see no reason for yet another shirt :)`
`08:35.12`	`Jucato`	`yay! seems like internet's back`
`08:36.59`	`somekool`	`yep, I like gentoo very much too. i just wish end-user stuff, especially laptop related would be more automatically working`
`08:37.45`	`Jucato`	`then that wouldn't be Gentoo anymore, would it? :)`
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`08:39.04`	`Sho_`	`Shirakawasuna: VLC actually had a Qt interface previously`
`08:39.16`	`Renze`	`Sho_ lives!`
`08:39.17`	`icwiener_`	`I think so. Everyone keeps moaning: I want Suse but more customizeable, I want Debian but more userfriendly, I want Gentoo, but more binary... I thinks that's all just too much leisure time.`
`08:39.20`	`Jucato`	`hi Sho_!!! :)`
`08:39.33`	`somekool`	`Jucato yes it would`
`08:40.16`	`Q-collective`	`icwiener_: you want arch?`
`08:40.17`	`Jucato`	`somekool: I was j/k, btw :)`
`08:40.38`	`Sho_`	`I semi-live ... I will only fully revive in the new year I think ;)`
`08:40.41`	`icwiener_`	`Q-collective: No, I want Debian the way it is.`
`08:40.48`	`Q-collective`	`right`
`08:40.49`	`Q-collective`	`:)`
`08:40.49`	`hagabaka`	`if a a file is served as text/plain, but after Konqueror downloads it it detects that it's binary, (it says saving it will result in a corrupt file), isn't it possible to let it save the binary file from cache instead of opening it in a text editor?`
`08:40.55`	`Renze`	`Sho_: after the new years hangover?`
`08:41.00`	`Sho_`	`Renze: Sorta ;)`
`08:41.03`	`Q-collective`	`icwiener_: I was just following your comments`
`08:41.04`	`Q-collective`	`;)`
`08:41.14`	`icwiener_`	`I kew it. ;)`
`08:41.17`	`icwiener_`	`*knew`
`08:41.48`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sho_: kinda`
`08:42.04`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sho_: didn't it hve a qt interface project but nothing substantial?`
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`08:43.00`	`Sho_`	`Shirakawasuna: Interfaces in VLC are plug-ins I think, and I assume that the new Qt4 interface in 0.9 will be "just" another plugin (but perhaps the default one instead of the current wxWidgets default)`
`08:43.23`	`Sho_`	`Shirakawasuna: Around five years ago it also had a Qt interface plugin next to a GTK one, presumably it was killed since it wasn't maintained`
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`08:45.51`	`Q-collective`	`I thought the wxWidgets interface is being dropped, because of maintanance problems?`
`08:46.00`	`Sho_`	`dunno`
`08:46.34`	`Sho_`	`But for OS X they have a native Cocoa interface plugin anyway, and for Linux and Windows I'd personally rather user Qt4 than wxWidgets, but then I'm biased ;)`
`08:47.07`	`Q-collective`	`;)`
`08:47.26`	`Jucato`	`Sho_? biased? god forbid! ;)`
`08:47.54`	`Q-collective`	`as far as I've heard (although I'm not sure where I read it...) the devs kinda hate the wxWidgets thing`
`08:48.07`	`Q-collective`	`oh well, we'll see`
`08:48.25`	`somekool`	`Renze have you seen that one ? http://jonpeck.blogspot.com/2006/12/wii-diculous.html`
`08:48.35`	`Q-collective`	`oh, they have a shiney website these days`
`08:48.47`	`Sho_`	`A blog on their http://planet.videolan.org/ mentions "A new GUI using Qt4 libraries instead of WxWidgets" in passing, which sure sounds like replacing`
`08:48.52`	`Jucato`	`Q-collective: who has a shiny website?`
`08:48.57`	`Q-collective`	`vlc`
`08:49.01`	`Renze`	`somekool: no, I haven't... but I want a digital theatre now :D`
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`08:49.17`	`somekool`	`:)`
`08:49.28`	`Q-collective`	`Jucato: nice, ey?`
`08:49.40`	`Jucato`	`hm... let me see...`
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`08:51.20`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sho_: the qt one is touted as the new default interface for linux/windows on the vlc wiki`
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`08:52.33`	`Sho_`	`Shirakawasuna: So our suspiciouns are confirmed ;)`
`08:52.39`	`Sho_`	`Shirakawasuna: Any screenies?`
`08:53.07`	`Q-collective`	`yeah, screenies!`
`08:53.31`	`Jucato`	`yay for suspicions!!`
`08:53.40`	`Sho_`	`:)`
`08:53.42`	`Q-collective`	`oh my`
`08:53.50`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`08:53.52`	`Q-collective`	`kaffeine might get some stuff competition`
`08:53.54`	`Q-collective`	`;p`
`08:54.02`	`Q-collective`	`stiff*`
`08:54.16`	`Jucato`	`I thought KPlayer is going to be a real competition soon? ;)`
`08:54.30`	`Q-collective`	`is it?`
`08:54.40`	`Jucato`	`I just thought :P`
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`08:54.47`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Sho_: not so far as I know :)`
`08:54.55`	`Q-collective`	`:(`
`08:55.10`	`Q-collective`	`no screenies? man :(`
`08:55.15`	`Sho_`	`For me personally, KPlayer's SourceForge CVS version is already much better than Kaffeine; but then I never liked Kaffeine to begin with and always preferred KMPlayer`
`08:55.25`	`Shirakawasuna`	`not even a page for it on the wiki ;)`
`08:55.27`	`Shirakawasuna`	`http://wiki.videolan.org/Interface`
`08:55.36`	`Shirakawasuna`	`vlc is the most consistent player in my experience`
`08:55.47`	`Shirakawasuna`	`both mplayer and xine are having problems for me atm`
`08:56.00`	`Shirakawasuna`	`well, kmplayer - gmplayer and straight mplayer are unaffected`
`08:56.07`	`Shirakawasuna`	`so just every qt interface >_<`
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`08:56.49`	`Jucato`	`I think the only advantage Kaffeine has right now is that it can use any backend and isn't tied down to Xine or MPlayer..`
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`08:57.14`	`Q-collective`	`indeed`
`08:57.20`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: It has that advantage over ..?`
`08:57.36`	`Sho_`	`(Since KMPlayer can use MPlayer, Xine and GStreamer)`
`08:57.37`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: right now, it isn't. but who knows...`
`08:57.41`	`Jucato`	`oh?`
`08:57.49`	`Jucato`	`hm... kmplayer...`
`08:58.25`	`Sho_`	`Afaik, Kaffeine's MPlayer and GStreamer support is in fact provided by loading KMplayer's kpart in Kaffeine ;)`
`08:58.25`	`Q-collective`	`btw, what is wrong with kaffeine's mouse behaviour?`
`08:58.30`	`Jucato`	`hm..`
`08:58.50`	`Jucato`	`ah yeah. kmplayer-base...`
`08:58.59`	`Jucato`	`Q-collective: mouse wheel... it`
`08:59.19`	`Jucato`	`it's behavior is the reverse of all other (multimedia) apps`
`09:00.02`	`Sho_`	`Anyhow, the SourceForge CVS version of KPlayer is superior to both KMPlayer and Kaffeine despite only supporting MPlayer, but perhaps even because it only supports MPlayer. It exposes more of MPlayer's functionality than KMPlayer or Kaffeine easily can because of their multi-backend nature, and yet has clean and properly structured menus and actions. And its seek bar is reliable. The only thing that I don't like is that the default toolbar setup is`
`09:00.03`	`Sho_`	`somewhat messy, but that might be pending a cleanup due to its pre-release nature. In any case, with tamed toolbars it's a very nice player.`
`09:00.13`	`Q-collective`	`Jucato: hmm, indeed`
`09:00.29`	`Q-collective`	`never noticed that before :)`
`09:00.30`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: yep. very messy toolbars...`
`09:00.48`	`Jucato`	`Q-collective: it's so subtle that it actually irritates me...`
`09:01.11`	`Jucato`	`good night aseigo_zZZz! :)`
`09:01.13`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: Though notably you only tried the anonsvn.kde.org one anyway, right?`
`09:01.19`	`Jucato`	`(or perhaps, good morning :P )`
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`09:01.39`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: http://www.eikehein.com/files/kplayer.png is my toolbar setup btw`
`09:01.41`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: no. CVS, after you told me that CVS was more up to date`
`09:02.08`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: wow so clean!! :)`
`09:02.11`	`icwiener_`	`Spike Lee :D`
`09:02.18`	`Q-collective`	`Sho_: not bad`
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`09:02.41`	`Q-collective`	`kinda like kaffeine :p`
`09:03.08`	`cartridge`	`Hey all.. I am having a problem, I'm assuming because my sound is not working.. As soon as I log into KDE, a friggin big box in the middle of the screen that says VOLUME is stuck at 0%, and I cannot get rid of it! As if this wasn't annoying enough, it's also stuck "On top" so I can't even open a web browser over it or anything`
`09:03.08`	`Jucato`	`except without the sidebars...`
`09:03.14`	`cartridge`	`How can I fix this?`
`09:03.56`	`Sho_`	`Q-collective: Mostly emulating my KMPlayer setup, actually: http://www.eikehein.com/files/kmplayer.png`
`09:05.14`	`Q-collective`	`:)`
`09:05.16`	`Sho_`	`Q-collective: KPlayer looks rather different by default; it has a multitude of toolbars and buttons to control its playlist, video settings (brightness, saturation, stuff like that) - I toned that down a bit to a single-bar setup`
`09:06.05`	`Sho_`	`Q-collective: But aside from the default toolbar mess, its menu structure and action collection is clean and powerful`
`09:06.23`	`Sho_`	`Q-collective: I'm expecting it to regain popularity when they finally publically release their recent developments as 0.6`
`09:07.06`	`Sho_`	`One thing for sure, KDE has no shortage of video players to fit every taste ;)`
`09:07.16`	`cartridge`	`Has anyone heard of my Volume problem before`
`09:07.47`	`Q-collective`	`Sho_: hell yeah ;)`
`09:08.49`	`Jucato`	`KPlayer also seems to use some non-Crystal icons by default... not really sure`
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`09:10.10`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: Probably because it predates Crystal ;)`
`09:10.56`	`Jucato`	`it does?!?! :O`
`09:10.56`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: KPlayer already was the best player around for a while way back when, but then it kinda got abandoned and Kaffeine and KMPlayer received all the attention`
`09:11.03`	`Jucato`	`oooh....`
`09:11.33`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: I eventually switched as well since KPlayer had a number of bugs that weren't being addressed and weren't present in the other players, and due to compatibility problems with newer MPlayer versions`
`09:11.45`	`Jucato`	`ah`
`09:11.58`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: Eventually someone in here (Ace I think?) remarked that there was movement in their CVS again a few weeks ago`
`09:12.22`	`Jucato`	`felt more like a few months ago :)`
`09:12.45`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: They should give up on that SourceForge venue and migrate to KDE SVN though, would probably help them on the accounts of artwork and i18n`
`09:13.26`	`Sho_`	`There's actually a KPlayer in extragear/multimedia, but it's out of lockstep with what's happening in their SF CVS`
`09:13.33`	`Jucato`	`yep. and I hope they do so soon (if they don't suddenly hibernate again)`
`09:13.56`	`Jucato`	`I've noticed that when I built KPlayer from SVN first`
`09:15.01`	`Jucato`	`hm.. their toolbar UI seems to be also a bit outdated...`
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`09:18.40`	`Jucato`	`hm... brb`
`09:19.39`	`Sho_`	`KMPlayer remains a very important piece of technology however - its kpart implements a number of scripting interfaces for embedded use in websites, and it understands numerous playlist formats used in those scenarios (embedded streaming videos, etc.), and since mplayerplug-in and the like won't work due to their Mozilla-dependence, it's the one way to get proper embedded video in Konqueror`
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`10:01.16`	`Fenix-Dark`	`hi`
`10:01.37`	`Fenix-Dark`	`is there anything build into kde that'll let me bypass using xbindkeys or xmodmap for the extra 'multimedia' buttons on my keyboard?`
`10:01.59`	`Fenix-Dark`	`the volume ones happen to work, but the play/pause ff/rw/stop dont`
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`10:02.19`	`benJIman`	`kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard layout, choose the appropriate layout, then use kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> input actions to assign them actions`
`10:03.03`	`Fenix-Dark`	`awesome ty`
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`10:06.36`	`Fenix-Dark`	`oh wow, actually they work by default and i just need to set the button functions in the apps :)`
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`10:08.53`	`McEnroe`	`any idea why kopete's bubbles appear in the middle of the screen?`
`10:09.26`	`Q-collective`	`bubbles?`
`10:09.32`	`Q-collective`	`the text balloons?`
`10:09.33`	`pinotree`	`it makes itself more visible to you :D`
`10:09.38`	`pinotree`	`j/k`
`10:09.41`	`Q-collective`	`:)`
`10:10.10`	`Jucato`	`hehe`
`10:11.04`	`Fenix-Dark`	`kde is spoiling me ;)`
`10:11.07`	`McEnroe`	`yes, the textballoons`
`10:11.25`	`benJIman`	`McEnroe: try restarting kopete`
`10:11.39`	`McEnroe`	`pinotree: benJIman i did`
`10:11.45`	`McEnroe`	`pinotree: sry`
`10:11.59`	`pinotree`	`McEnroe: np, i was joking ;)`
`10:12.23`	`pinotree`	`maybe you changed desktop while a baloon was popping up?`
`10:12.29`	`McEnroe`	`i think some config file has gone nuts...`
`10:12.54`	`McEnroe`	`pinotree: it's after i migrated from kubuntu to gentoo`
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`10:13.30`	`McEnroe`	`(already some monts ago)`
`10:13.31`	`benJIman`	`McEnroe: no the code uses an offset from the desktop rectangle size`
`10:14.01`	`Shirakawasuna`	`*kplayer`
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`10:14.39`	`McEnroe`	`benJIman: cool! i hacked the code without knowing it :))`
`10:14.53`	`Jucato`	`Shirakawasuna: you can't build the one from CVS?`
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`10:15.44`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I could, but that sounds like work ;)`
`10:16.03`	`Shirakawasuna`	`vlc is working, after all (stupid xine/kmplayer)`
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`10:16.47`	`icwiener_`	`In most cases it's only a renaming of the ebuild.`
`10:17.04`	`Shirakawasuna`	`If I could get someone to reproduce this bug I'm getting I could get my kmplayer fixed...either that or it's broken for some other reason`
`10:17.11`	`Jucato`	`more work to compile on Gentoo?!? :O`
`10:17.46`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I like the convenience of emerge`
`10:17.53`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I tend to forget to uninstall things I've done manually`
`10:18.23`	`Jucato`	`:)`
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`10:34.00`	`Panzerboy`	`hello all`
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`11:08.32`	`Q-collective`	`http://commit-digest.org/issues/2006-12-10/files/sensorload15.png`
`11:08.36`	`Q-collective`	`wow, now that's progress :)`
`11:13.06`	`Q-collective`	`Jucato: get some unlousing shampoo`
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`11:16.52`	`jlowell`	`hi, how do I make kdesu not prompt for root password?`
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`11:22.13`	`somekool`	`Shirakawasuna japanese?`
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`11:24.13`	`olegfink`	`WindowsUninstall: what about providing such an option in Kcontrol?`
`11:24.33`	`olegfink`	`should be simple enough`
`11:24.36`	`Q-collective`	`?`
`11:24.39`	`WindowsUninstall`	`olegfink, Wich option?`
`11:27.09`	`Q-collective`	`hmm`
`11:27.44`	`jlowell`	`hi, how do I make kdesu not prompt for root password?`
`11:27.59`	`Q-collective`	`will the kde4 UI feature "combined" widgets? Like one button for "refresh" and "stop" in konqueror, or one button for "play" and "stop" in any media player?`
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`11:28.15`	`Q-collective`	`it's a bit silly to have two buttons for those`
`11:28.32`	`pinotree`	`jlowell: and which password should it prompt for?`
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`11:31.08`	`Q-collective`	`pinotree: you know if qt4/kde4 features that? :>`
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`11:33.15`	`Guardian`	`hello`
`11:33.16`	`Guardian`	`please, since the last upgrade of my kubuntu 6.10 , usb flashdrives are no more mounted automatically, is there something to fix manually or is there a pending update to do ?`
`11:34.49`	`mariux`	`http://people.fruitsalad.org/adridg/bobulate/uploads/Graphs/weekstamps.png that looks very good for kde`
`11:35.34`	`Q-collective`	`yeah`
`11:35.34`	`jlowell`	`pinotree: none`
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`11:37.30`	`markc`	`i've set my session manager to start with an ?empty session on login, but, kmail always starts up... how can I prevent that`
`11:37.39`	`markc`	`?`
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`11:38.22`	`mariux`	`whats a good app for viewing all images in a folder?`
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`11:38.32`	`mariux`	`with preloading of the next image`
`11:39.35`	`jlowell`	`hi, how do I make kdesu not prompt for root password?`
`11:39.41`	`jlowell`	`or a password at all`
`11:40.51`	`Q-collective`	`jlowell: in what situations does it asks for a passwd?`
`11:40.55`	`markc`	`jlowell, one way would be to use visudo and add NOPASSWD for your user ID`
`11:41.01`	`Q-collective`	`s/asks/ask/`
`11:41.16`	`Sho_`	`kdesu in KDE 3.5.5 can use sudo, i.e. set up your sudo config accordingly`
`11:41.37`	`jlowell`	`Q-collective: stuff like gui package installer`
`11:42.03`	`Q-collective`	`oh, I guess I'm a spoiled portage user`
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`11:42.59`	`Sho_`	`jlowell: See http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20914#c24`
`11:43.13`	`markc`	`jlowell, use visudo to add "%wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL", then add your user ID to the wheel group`
`11:44.08`	`markc`	`oops, I didn't relaize that kdesu did not use sudo`
`11:44.23`	`Q-collective`	`hmm`
`11:44.25`	`markc`	`I guess it would be called kdesudo if it did`
`11:44.30`	`Q-collective`	`which is a little odd`
`11:44.32`	`Sho_`	`jlowell: That link tells you how to make kdesu use sudo, and sudo you can configure not to prompt for a password under circumstances you define in its configuration`
`11:44.39`	`Q-collective`	`markc: true ;)`
`11:45.07`	`jlowell`	`thx Sho_`
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`11:47.57`	`markc`	`anyone have asuggestion as to where I could look to prevent kmail from always starting up even though I have my session manager set to start with an empty session ?`
`11:48.16`	`mariux`	`save a session`
`11:48.19`	`mariux`	`and tell it to use that`
`11:48.44`	`markc`	`tried that, with nothing running, and kmail still starts up...nothing in my .kde/Autostart either`
`11:49.45`	`markc`	`I can't think of what would be causing it to always start, got me stumped`
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`11:50.33`	`markc`	`I'd rather have kontact start up instead`
`11:53.47`	`markc`	`I'd guess I should ask in my distros channel but they aren't very kde friendly`
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`12:16.03`	`jtmoney`	`is there anyway i can enable transparency in konsole and have it show the desktop instead of the wallpaper?`
`12:16.20`	`jtmoney`	`i found this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=48303 ... surely there has to be a way to do it without installing the source/patching konsole`
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`12:23.32`	`Sho_`	`jtmoney: Only by changing the translucency of the entire window (including the text in the Konsole), otherwise you'll have to wait for KDE4`
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`12:25.57`	`jtmoney`	`okay, thank you`
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`12:54.17`	`Q-collective`	`hmm`
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`12:54.29`	`Q-collective`	`QtEMU looks interesting :)`
`12:54.53`	`Jucato`	`what?`
`12:55.01`	`Q-collective`	`" QtEmu is a graphical user interface for QEMU written in Qt4."`
`12:55.25`	`Kasyx`	`Hey, I'm on Gentoo (2.6.19-r2) with KDE 3.5.5 - is there anything special I need to do to get KDE to realise I've got composite enabled? The lines are all there in xorg.conf but KDE doesn't see them :-(`
`12:55.42`	`Jucato`	`oh.. different from KQemu, I guess?`
`12:55.53`	`Q-collective`	`dunno kQemu`
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`12:56.11`	`Q-collective`	`http://qtemu.sourceforge.net/`
`12:56.14`	`Q-collective`	`looks kool`
`12:56.16`	`Q-collective`	`:)`
`12:56.23`	`Jucato`	`looks can be deceiving :P`
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`12:57.40`	`Night`	`#fedora`
`12:57.48`	`pinotree`	`Night: no`
`12:58.05`	`Night`	`i know i messed it up`
`12:58.20`	`Q-collective`	`Kasyx: you need to enable the compositor in kwin: kcontrol -> desktop -> window behaviour -> translucency`
`12:58.21`	`Night`	`what is command again?`
`12:58.22`	`Jucato`	`Kasyx: KControl -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency tab`
`12:58.28`	`pinotree`	`Night: /join`
`12:58.29`	`Q-collective`	`Jucato: muhaha`
`12:58.29`	`Jucato`	`Night: /join #channel`
`12:58.38`	`Night`	`ahh thank you very muych`
`12:59.08`	`Kasyx`	`Q-collective && Jucato: I know, I've done it before on another machine. The problem is on that screen it says Composite hasn't been enabled. I just checked Xorg.0.log and it has been.`
`12:59.16`	`Jucato`	`Q-collective: in fairness, I was busy helping else where :P`
`12:59.29`	`Q-collective`	`Jucato: like I'm not busy`
`12:59.32`	`Q-collective`	`;)`
`13:00.09`	`Jucato`	`Kasyx: are you sure it's the correct options in xorg.conf?`
`13:00.36`	`Kasyx`	`Jucato: I just checked the log: (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled`
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`13:01.05`	`Kasyx`	`XFCE detects it`
`13:01.12`	`Jucato`	`hm...`
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`13:01.23`	`Kasyx`	`I know, I'm very confused :-(`
`13:01.37`	`Q-collective`	`Kasyx: enabled the xcomposite USE flag?`
`13:01.43`	`Jucato`	`hm... you have kompmgr right?`
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`13:02.16`	`Kasyx`	`No, don't think so, lemme check`
`13:02.32`	`Jucato`	`er.. you need kompmgr for composites in KDE`
`13:02.35`	`Kasyx`	`I can't find that package at all`
`13:02.39`	`Q-collective`	`no`
`13:02.45`	`Q-collective`	`ufed -> xcomposite`
`13:02.48`	`Kasyx`	`It's not in portage :-D`
`13:02.51`	`Q-collective`	`emerge world -uDNa`
`13:02.52`	`Q-collective`	`done`
`13:02.57`	`Jucato`	`oh ok... don't think it's a separate package`
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`13:03.31`	`Kasyx`	`d'oh, of course, I missed the xcomposite use flag`
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`13:03.40`	`delta`	`Hi.`
`13:03.49`	`Q-collective`	`Kasyx: np`
`13:04.03`	`Kasyx`	`Ta :-)`
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`13:06.38`	`Q-collective`	`hey oGALAXYo`
`13:06.59`	`Jucato`	`hm...`
`13:07.11`	`Kasyx`	`Is the composite in kde as good as you can get? Like in compiz or something`
`13:07.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`moin`
`13:07.25`	`Q-collective`	`Kasyx: no`
`13:07.29`	`Q-collective`	`wait for kde4`
`13:07.33`	`Kasyx`	`:-D`
`13:07.43`	`Q-collective`	`or play with beryl + aquamarine`
`13:07.43`	`Kasyx`	`Hopefully that'll be in time for xorg 7.3, too`
`13:07.56`	`Q-collective`	`yeah, just around that time`
`13:08.04`	`Kasyx`	`Hmm I've heard of beryl, but what's aquamarine? another wm?`
`13:08.31`	`Q-collective`	`http://gentoo-wiki.com/Beryl`
`13:08.36`	`Jucato`	`aquamarine is a Beryl window decoration engine for KDE, afaik`
`13:08.44`	`Jucato`	`just as emerald is more oriented towards GNOME`
`13:08.56`	`Q-collective`	`emerald works for everyone`
`13:09.07`	`Q-collective`	`heliodor is gnome-specific`
`13:09.12`	`Jucato`	`didn't work for me... in fact. neither did :)`
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`13:09.21`	`Q-collective`	`yeah, there is that`
`13:09.22`	`Q-collective`	`;)`
`13:09.46`	`Q-collective`	`I've unmerged my beryl stuff this morning`
`13:09.52`	`Q-collective`	`what a bunch of crap :\`
`13:10.05`	`Jucato`	`still keeping them around... just in case I wan't to check them out from time to time...`
`13:10.22`	`Q-collective`	`yeah, I can always remerge them ;)`
`13:10.44`	`Q-collective`	`but I'll wait for kde4`
`13:11.00`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`13:11.00`	`Q-collective`	`I want eyecandy, but working eyecandy`
`13:11.06`	`Kasyx`	`Yar thanks Q, I got the wiki just before you posted :-D`
`13:11.39`	`Jucato`	`eyecandy that slightly works :)`
`13:11.58`	`Q-collective`	`memhogging crap if you ask me :\`
`13:12.06`	`Q-collective`	`not kompmgr's fault`
`13:12.18`	`Q-collective`	`X is just a pita with this`
`13:12.30`	`Jucato`	`not really hogging here`
`13:12.42`	`Q-collective`	`what card do you have?`
`13:12.43`	`Jucato`	`I think kompmgr in 3.5.5 is the most stable so far...`
`13:13.04`	`Jucato`	`nvidia geforce4 mx 4000`
`13:13.20`	`Q-collective`	`ah, using the binary nvidia drivers?`
`13:13.25`	`Q-collective`	`yeah well`
`13:13.28`	`Jucato`	`heh :)`
`13:13.36`	`Jucato`	`does it work w/o those drivers? :P`
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`13:13.47`	`Q-collective`	`ask again in 6 months? :)`
`13:14.05`	`Jucato`	`yes.. nouveau...`
`13:14.17`	`Kasyx`	`Anyone know which is most stable, has most features, and fastest out of XGL, AIGLX, and nVidia GL?`
`13:14.39`	`Q-collective`	`I for one look forward to use kde4 eyecandy with my tnt2 card using nouveau ;)`
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`13:15.11`	`Jucato`	`ditto :)`
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`13:15.33`	`Q-collective`	`Kasyx: comparing aiglx/xgl with nvidia gl?`
`13:15.41`	`mangz74`	`morning`
`13:15.46`	`Jucato`	`using open standards/formats or converting your files to such is easier than trying to use open drivers...`
`13:16.01`	`Jucato`	`morning mangz74 :)`
`13:16.35`	`Q-collective`	`Jucato: no it isn't`
`13:16.44`	`Kasyx`	`Q-collective: sorry, I only knew about xgl till this morning`
`13:16.52`	`Q-collective`	`if the hardware manufacturors would just give their specs...`
`13:16.56`	`Q-collective`	`;p`
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`13:17.07`	`JohnFlux`	`anyone speak portugese?`
`13:17.22`	`Q-collective`	`Kasyx: well, xgl is faster then aiglx, or so it seems`
`13:17.25`	`Jucato`	`Q-collective: that's why I said it was not easier... we have to wait for them... on the other hand we (the users) can convert our medias/files into open standards/formats`
`13:17.41`	`kenock`	`Johnflux: i know many Brazilians do.`
`13:17.48`	`Q-collective`	`JohnFlux: assume that noone does in an english oriented channel`
`13:18.01`	`Jucato`	`Q-collective: you presume too much :)`
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`13:18.07`	`kenock`	`who is noone?`
`13:18.08`	`Jucato`	`JohnFlux: afaik, thiago does`
`13:18.20`	`JohnFlux`	`Jucato: really? heh`
`13:18.20`	`Q-collective`	`kenock: a cool guy`
`13:18.28`	`kenock`	`:D`
`13:18.39`	`kenock`	`you mean 'none'.`
`13:18.52`	`Jucato`	`I think he meant "no one"`
`13:19.07`	`kenock`	`yah, i guy who is cool at high noon.`
`13:19.40`	`Q-collective`	`hmm`
`13:19.59`	`Q-collective`	`ok, the dictionary says it's "no-one", so we all lost :p`
`13:20.06`	`kenock`	`which program is used in the kde background slideshow?`
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`13:20.56`	`annma`	`hi all!`
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`13:21.36`	`l3u`	`Hi :-) How can I access kaddressbook entries from python?`
`13:21.44`	`Kasyx`	`Aha! It detects composite now.`
`13:21.48`	`Kasyx`	`It just doesn't do it >.<`
`13:22.06`	`Q-collective`	`hey annma`
`13:22.23`	`Q-collective`	`Kasyx: restarted X?`
`13:22.32`	`Jucato`	`annma!!!!! :)`
`13:22.41`	`Jucato`	`:O my notification didn't go off when you came in`
`13:22.51`	`Kasyx`	`Q-collective: yeah, just have. What are the bits I need to switch off that are native?`
`13:22.53`	`kenock`	`no-one knows which program is used in the kde background slideshow?`
`13:23.01`	`Kasyx`	`Like the fading and stuff`
`13:24.05`	`Q-collective`	`hmm?`
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`13:24.23`	`Q-collective`	`you can configure whatever you want in kcontrol`
`13:25.55`	`annma`	`kelvie:`
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`13:30.13`	`peace-keeper`	`hi can anyone tell me how to stop stupid yahoo! messenger from being run everytime i boot kde ?`
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`13:30.34`	`Jucato`	`close it when you log-off/shutdown?`
`13:30.45`	`Q-collective`	`uninstall it`
`13:30.47`	`oGALAXYo`	`a) you dont boot kde.`
`13:30.48`	`Q-collective`	`solved`
`13:30.50`	`oGALAXYo`	`b) you run kde.`
`13:30.56`	`peace-keeper`	`i cant uninstall it`
`13:31.01`	`Jucato`	`picky picky :)`
`13:31.09`	`peace-keeper`	`and it runs automatically, closing it will only start it again next time`
`13:31.11`	`oGALAXYo`	`c) shut the program down and save the session... ore remove from the autostart directory in case its there.`
`13:31.15`	`Q-collective`	`oGALAXYo: go split some hairs`
`13:31.16`	`Q-collective`	`:)`
`13:31.20`	`Jucato`	`hm... yahoo messenger on Linux...`
`13:31.26`	`peace-keeper`	`c) sounds good. where is the autostart dir ?`
`13:31.32`	`Jucato`	`peace-keeper: are you sure you closed it, not just running in the system tray?`
`13:31.37`	`Q-collective`	`peace-keeper: any reason you're not using kopete?`
`13:31.37`	`Q-collective`	`;p`
`13:31.49`	`peace-keeper`	`i dont have root access`
`13:31.50`	`Jucato`	`(and are you sure it's Yahoo Messenger? and why can't you uninstall it?)`
`13:31.56`	`annma`	`peace-keeper: was it your distro which ran it by default or you?`
`13:32.01`	`Q-collective`	`then you install it in your ~`
`13:32.02`	`Q-collective`	`easy`
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`13:32.11`	`peace-keeper`	`i think i ran it manually once, and since then it's re-appearing every time`
`13:32.20`	`Q-collective`	`ok`
`13:32.23`	`peace-keeper`	`now i cant get rid of it`
`13:32.24`	`Q-collective`	`open konsole`
`13:32.30`	`Jucato`	`peace-keeper: when you close it, make sure it's not still running in the system tray`
`13:32.32`	`Q-collective`	`killall yahooim`
`13:32.38`	`Q-collective`	`or whatever it is called`
`13:32.55`	`peace-keeper`	`it's not in the tray`
`13:33.24`	`peace-keeper`	`dont know what's the process name :(`
`13:33.31`	`Jucato`	`what's the app name?`
`13:33.40`	`oGALAXYo`	`c) shut the program down and save the session... ore remove from the autostart directory in case its there.`
`13:33.41`	`peace-keeper`	`"Yahoo! Messenger" is the window title`
`13:33.50`	`peace-keeper`	`where is that autostart directory ?`
`13:34.01`	`oGALAXYo`	`peace-keeper: point c) has two meanings`
`13:34.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`c 1) shut the program down and save the session`
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`13:34.28`	`oGALAXYo`	`c 2) or remove from the autostart directory in case its there.`
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`13:34.36`	`oGALAXYo`	`maybe c1 is enough`
`13:34.52`	`peace-keeper`	`no, i tried that 100 times already`
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`13:35.19`	`oGALAXYo`	`cd ~/.kde/share/Autostart`
`13:35.23`	`oGALAXYo`	`somewhere there...`
`13:35.32`	`oGALAXYo`	`look in the .kde dir and look for a dir named Autostart`
`13:35.38`	`oGALAXYo`	`look if that yahoo bitching thing is inside there.`
`13:35.48`	`Guard][an`	`please, since the last upgrade of my kubuntu 6.10 , usb flashdrives are no more mounted automatically, is there something to fix manually or is there a pending update to do ?`
`13:36.09`	`oGALAXYo`	`Guard][an: thats an kubuntu or ubuntu issue. not kde issue..`
`13:36.13`	`oGALAXYo`	`Guard][an: #kubuntu`
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`13:36.27`	`peace-keeper`	`hmm found the Autostart, but no yahoo shit in there :(`
`13:36.37`	`oGALAXYo`	`peace-keeper: then C 1 is valid..`
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`13:37.08`	`Guard][an`	`ok`
`13:37.20`	`Guard][an`	`thank you`
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`13:37.24`	`oGALAXYo`	`np`
`13:37.36`	`peace-keeper`	`maybe i really have to kill some process instead of only closing the window`
`13:37.58`	`oGALAXYo`	`closing window != killing process`
`13:38.05`	`Q-collective`	`yeah, that's not something we ever suggested`
`13:38.07`	`oGALAXYo`	`closing window can also put programs into idle mode or something.`
`13:38.10`	`Q-collective`	`/sarcasm`
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`13:38.23`	`peace-keeper`	`i know i know`
`13:38.28`	`oGALAXYo`	`make sure you really QUIT the programm..`
`13:38.31`	`Q-collective`	`peace-keeper: is there a tray icon?`
`13:38.35`	`peace-keeper`	`no icon`
`13:38.56`	`peace-keeper`	`ahh i found the process name`
`13:38.59`	`Q-collective`	`peace-keeper: what is the cli command to start yahoo?`
`13:39.05`	`Q-collective`	`ah`
`13:39.11`	`peace-keeper`	`/opt/ymessenger/bin/ymessenger.bin`
`13:39.15`	`oGALAXYo`	`peace-keeper: kill all the processes`
`13:39.19`	`peace-keeper`	`yeah`
`13:39.22`	`Q-collective`	`killall ymessenger.bin`
`13:39.23`	`oGALAXYo`	`and then save the kde session`
`13:39.28`	`oGALAXYo`	`SAVE KDE SESSION!`
`13:39.38`	`peace-keeper`	`can i save the session without logout ?`
`13:39.51`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes`
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`13:40.20`	`peace-keeper`	`how? :)`
`13:40.52`	`peace-keeper`	`ah well i just logout and see if it reappears`
`13:40.52`	`peace-keeper`	`brb`
`13:41.04`	`oGALAXYo`	`dcop ksmserver default saveCurrentSession`
`13:41.14`	`Jucato`	`he has got to have the weirdest admin... yahoo for linux...`
`13:41.24`	`Q-collective`	`agreed`
`13:41.30`	`oGALAXYo`	`hes probably a cock.`
`13:41.36`	`Jucato`	`:O`
`13:41.54`	`Q-collective`	`ewww`
`13:41.59`	`Q-collective`	`looks fugly`
`13:42.04`	`Q-collective`	`gtk1 or something`
`13:42.11`	`Jucato`	`you tried?!?!`
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`13:42.16`	`Q-collective`	`http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php`
`13:42.34`	`Jucato`	`haha for a moment there, I thought you tried installing it...`
`13:42.39`	`Q-collective`	`lmao`
`13:42.44`	`Q-collective`	`silly :)`
`13:42.56`	`qwindow`	`hi all`
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`13:43.09`	`Q-collective`	`lol @ those redhat downloads`
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`13:43.49`	`Q-collective`	`peace-keeper: dcop ksmserver default saveCurrentSession`
`13:43.50`	`Q-collective`	`;p`
`13:43.56`	`peace-keeper`	`weeee the stupid shit is gone`
`13:43.56`	`qwindow`	`my father will kill me if he see`
`13:43.58`	`peace-keeper`	`thx :)`
`13:44.23`	`qwindow`	`what i do?`
`13:44.31`	`peace-keeper`	`dont let him see`
`13:44.38`	`oGALAXYo`	`peace-keeper: why did you run that crap anyways ?`
`13:44.48`	`peace-keeper`	`i ran it only once....`
`13:45.10`	`oGALAXYo`	`peace-keeper: if you want a good instant messanger go for gaim (gtk) or kopete (kde)`
`13:45.19`	`qwindow`	`peace keeper: are u live with your parents?`
`13:45.29`	`peace-keeper`	`yeah kopete is installed here, will use that next time`
`13:45.43`	`oGALAXYo`	`Any of you familar with XING ?`
`13:45.49`	`peace-keeper`	`no, currently i live nowhere`
`13:45.53`	`peace-keeper`	`lol`
`13:45.55`	`Jucato`	`o.O`
`13:46.57`	`qwindow`	`i have not money and i want to travel to any foriegen country what i do?`
`13:47.15`	`qwindow`	`are you know?`
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`13:47.25`	`qwindow`	`any body know?`
`13:47.41`	`peace-keeper`	`in which country are you now`
`13:47.57`	`peace-keeper`	`oGALAXYo, i'm on xing, but dont know much about it`
`13:48.02`	`qwindow`	`egypt`
`13:48.07`	`thiago`	`qwindow: buy a plane ticket`
`13:48.30`	`qwindow`	`thiago:i haven t money`
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`13:48.48`	`thiago`	`you can walk then, but it's going to take much longer`
`13:48.52`	`peace-keeper`	`or swim`
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`13:49.23`	`qwindow`	`seriosly`
`13:49.32`	`thiago`	`yes, seriously: what kind of question is that?`
`13:49.46`	`peace-keeper`	`maybe go to university and try to find some student exchange programme`
`13:49.46`	`Jucato`	`seriously... what's the question about KDE again?`
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`13:49.47`	`thiago`	`I know of no KDE programs that make you travel to other countries`
`13:49.49`	`Schuenemann`	`is therey any way to disable the mouse wheel feature of switcthing applications, when used at the task bar?`
`13:49.50`	`thiago`	`so it's off-topic`
`13:50.29`	`Q-collective`	`xing?`
`13:50.38`	`Q-collective`	`can you eat that?`
`13:50.44`	`oGALAXYo`	`http://www.xing.com`
`13:50.51`	`qwindow`	`i studies math and theortical physics`
`13:50.59`	`oGALAXYo`	`amen :)`
`13:51.06`	`thiago`	`qwindow: off-topic`
`13:51.18`	`qwindow`	`why?`
`13:51.25`	`thiago`	`because it's not on-topic`
`13:51.31`	`Jucato`	`hmmm anyone knows the answer to Schuenemann's question?`
`13:51.41`	`qwindow`	`ok`
`13:51.46`	`Q-collective`	`Jucato: 42`
`13:51.47`	`Schuenemann`	`is there any way to disable the mouse wheel feature of switcthing applications, when used at the task bar?`
`13:51.51`	`Schuenemann`	`this is the question`
`13:51.56`	`thiago`	`Schuenemann: I don't think so`
`13:52.01`	`thiago`	`short of modifying the code, that is`
`13:52.12`	`Schuenemann`	`humm :/`
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`13:52.30`	`Q-collective`	`sent a patch for a new option oin kcontrol! :)`
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`13:53.05`	`Jucato`	`Q-collective: what's the patch about?`
`13:53.20`	`thiago`	`Jucato: Schuenemann's feature`
`13:53.22`	`peace-keeper`	`oGALAXYo, wanna be my xing friend/associate/whateveritscalled? :)`
`13:53.40`	`oGALAXYo`	`peace-keeper: i need to subscribe there first :)`
`13:54.02`	`peace-keeper`	`i have no idea what xing is actually useful for`
`13:54.03`	`Jucato`	`thiago: oh, Q-collective said "sent", so I presumed he already made one and sent it...`
`13:54.16`	`Q-collective`	`pff`
`13:54.25`	`Q-collective`	`give a break to the dutch guy`
`13:54.41`	`Jucato`	`you're dutch?`
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`13:54.46`	`Schuenemann`	`it's not that important... just boring sometimes, as the wheel moves by his own`
`13:54.48`	`Jucato`	`wouldn't have guessed`
`13:54.57`	`Jucato`	`omg! your wheel must be haunted...`
`13:54.58`	`Schuenemann`	`its own*`
`13:55.02`	`Q-collective`	`what would you've guessed?`
`13:55.02`	`Schuenemann`	`haha`
`13:55.16`	`Jucato`	`Q-collective: that you were dutch :)`
`13:55.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`peace-keeper: XING.com or formerly known as openBC (open business club) is a network where you can subscribe yourself and make yourself "known" in the network.. its quite widely used and many bigger companies recommend people to use it.. its good for job seeking etc...`
`13:55.26`	`Q-collective`	`Jucato: ofcourse`
`13:55.42`	`Q-collective`	`Jucato: flying dutchman ofcourse? ;)`
`13:55.44`	`Schuenemann`	`no, that happens sometimes... the wheel does not stop at a certain value, and then after moving the mouse it moves to the nearest value`
`13:55.58`	`peace-keeper`	`anyone been on the web 3 ?`
`13:56.03`	`peace-keeper`	`le web 3 i mean`
`13:56.05`	`peace-keeper`	`in paris`
`13:56.10`	`oGALAXYo`	`peace-keeper: its basicly.. THE THING to use for easy job seeking. e.g. some of your colleagues may leave the company and get hired elsewhere.. you may contact them one day and ask them whether their company needs people and maybe you get some vitamine C that way and therefore a new job.`
`13:56.27`	`Schuenemann`	`I thought this channel was about KDE :-P`
`13:56.39`	`peace-keeper`	`sry :)`
`13:56.39`	`Jucato`	`Schuenemann: it is... well, theoretically...`
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`14:06.30`	`Kasyx`	`Are there any other dockers other than kxdocker?`
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`14:08.02`	`Q-collective`	`Kasyx: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10958`
`14:08.05`	`Q-collective`	`neat :)`
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`14:10.03`	`Kasyx`	`Sweet, thanks Q`
`14:10.26`	`Kasyx`	`Hmm, is there anyway to get rid of the taskbar?`
`14:10.35`	`Q-collective`	`killall kicker?`
`14:10.57`	`Kasyx`	`I'd have to do that each time?`
`14:11.00`	`Q-collective`	`no`
`14:11.05`	`Q-collective`	`just save your session`
`14:11.12`	`Kasyx`	`Okie`
`14:11.30`	`Q-collective`	`dcop ksmserver default saveCurrentSession`
`14:11.33`	`Q-collective`	`:>`
`14:12.01`	`peace-keeper`	`:)`
`14:12.24`	`Kasyx`	`Now here's one to test you (you are getting marked, btw, I'm a dev ;-) joke) How do I get konq to always load a specific profile on startup?`
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`14:13.15`	`Q-collective`	`kfmclient openProfile <profile>`
`14:13.32`	`Kasyx`	`Can I edit a shortcut to do that?`
`14:13.48`	`Q-collective`	`ofcourse, just add one`
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`14:17.44`	`McEnroe`	`kaudiocreator uses cdparanoia?`
`14:19.17`	`Q-collective`	`McEnroe: yes`
`14:20.36`	`McEnroe`	`Q-collective: which command does it use?`
`14:20.48`	`Q-collective`	`dunno`
`14:21.04`	`McEnroe`	`Q-collective: hmmm... could strace help?`
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`14:21.29`	`thiago`	`or ps`
`14:21.44`	`thiago`	`I think it uses cdparanoia through kio_audiocd`
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`14:29.03`	`gigabytes`	`hello`
`14:29.27`	`gigabytes`	`how can I tell konqueror to use the adobe reader netscape plugin to open pdf files instead of the kpdf part?`
`14:32.07`	`thiago`	`move it higher up in the preference order`
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`14:33.58`	`gigabytes`	`thiago: which preference?`
`14:34.19`	`Schuenemann`	`I have a problem with konqueror. Every time I click on a link, it asks if it should save the HTML or open with firefox. Does anyone ever saw that?`
`14:34.30`	`Schuenemann`	`no options of opening with konqueror`
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`14:35.20`	`thiago`	`gigabytes: the PDF embedded preference`
`14:35.28`	`thiago`	`Schuenemann: what is text/html associated with?`
`14:35.30`	`gigabytes`	`thiago: where?`
`14:35.43`	`Schuenemann`	`thiago: how can I see?`
`14:35.56`	`thiago`	`gigabytes: in Konqueror's configuration (file associations)`
`14:36.00`	`thiago`	`Schuenemann: same answer as gigabytes :-)`
`14:36.14`	`gigabytes`	`cool :D`
`14:36.26`	`Schuenemann`	`let me see`
`14:36.33`	`Schuenemann`	`I don't remember changing that, though`
`14:36.58`	`Schuenemann`	`preference order: firefox, konqueror`
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`14:37.17`	`Schuenemann`	`is that the problem?`
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`14:37.25`	`thiago`	`yes`
`14:37.29`	`thiago`	`move Konqueror higher up`
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`14:37.47`	`Schuenemann`	`but if I change, what will happen when I'm using konqueror as a file browser and open an html?`
`14:37.54`	`Schuenemann`	`will it open konqueror?`
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`14:38.16`	`thiago`	`yes`
`14:38.21`	`Schuenemann`	`that's bad...`
`14:38.22`	`thiago`	`it'll stay in Konqueror`
`14:38.25`	`thiago`	`it won't open a new one`
`14:38.56`	`Schuenemann`	`is it possible to associate to konqueror only on web browsing?`
`14:39.02`	`thiago`	`what does the Embedded tab say? Prefer to show embedded or external?`
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`14:39.27`	`Schuenemann`	`external`
`14:39.35`	`thiago`	`change it to embedded`
`14:39.46`	`Schuenemann`	`and "ask to save in disk"`
`14:39.49`	`thiago`	`that will make Konqueror keep to itself when browsing HTML files`
`14:40.09`	`thiago`	`it won't ask to open the external program (Firefox)`
`14:40.14`	`Schuenemann`	`ok, but is it possible to make firefox open local HTML files?`
`14:40.24`	`Schuenemann`	`and use konqueror only for web`
`14:40.34`	`thiago`	`yes, when a program asks for the browser, it'll start Firefox`
`14:40.43`	`Jucato`	`right-click -> Open with -> Firefox?`
`14:40.45`	`thiago`	`but not Konqueror: if you're browsing local dirs and you click a HTML file, you'll get Konqueror`
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`14:41.16`	`Schuenemann`	`it's not possible to get firefox, right?`
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`14:41.37`	`thiago`	`change the default web browser instead of changing the text/html settings`
`14:41.50`	`Jucato`	`yep`
`14:44.27`	`Schuenemann`	`not working`
`14:44.48`	`Schuenemann`	`I can get firefox to open both or konqueror to open both`
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`14:51.28`	`McEnroe`	`thiago: and how does kio use cdparanoia? i mean which command?`
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`14:51.40`	`McEnroe`	`thiago: or how do i find it out?`
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`14:53.48`	`MrGrim`	`McEnroe: I'm pretty sure the audiocd ioslave does.. at least it is a dependency`
`14:54.47`	`McEnroe`	`MrGrim: i found out that it must be the kioslave, but i need to know the command how it launches cdparanoia`
`14:55.00`	`MrGrim`	`it likely uses the library`
`14:55.07`	`Jucato`	`man:/cdparanoia ?`
`14:55.08`	`MrGrim`	`if it doesn't you can see the command line in the process list`
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`14:55.39`	`MrGrim`	`start a rip, run ps aux in a console`
`14:55.48`	`MrGrim`	`if it runs cdparanoia the command line will be there`
`14:55.54`	`MrGrim`	`otherwise it uses the library`
`14:56.04`	`gigabytes`	`thiago: why don't add to kde4 a kioslave "videodvd" ? :D`
`14:56.41`	`gigabytes`	`to transparently rip a dvd using konqueror`
`14:56.55`	`gigabytes`	`it shouldn't be terrribly difficult`
`14:56.59`	`gigabytes`	`what do you think?`
`14:57.09`	`MrGrim`	`if I had a nickel for every time somebody said that`
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`14:57.29`	`gigabytes`	`:D`
`14:57.30`	`Jucato`	`"shouldn't be terribly difficult" is the punch line?`
`14:57.38`	`MrGrim`	`if you don't know if it'll be difficult, then don't guess`
`14:57.45`	`gigabytes`	`sorry`
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`14:58.30`	`MrGrim`	`lets see, there's decryption, decoding, conversion, encoding, wrapping it up n an iosloave, creating a kcm module, naming conventions... nothing big...`
`14:58.39`	`Jucato`	`MrGrim: would a nice retort be "if it's not terribly difficult, why not do it yourself and contribute"?`
`14:58.58`	`MrGrim`	`because even I am not that self righteous... 72% of the time...`
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`14:59.11`	`MrGrim`	`I ask for features as much as the next person`
`14:59.25`	`Jucato`	`gigabytes: afaik, ripping a dvd actually involves more than ripping an audio cd...`
`15:00.27`	`MrGrim`	`there's also interpretation of the data on the dvd... dvd's have no metadata that says "these video files and this audio track comprise the movie" or even more fun when there's two versions of the movie on the same disk e.g. widescreen and fullscreen`
`15:01.53`	`MrGrim`	`I mean it'd be easy to hack together a front end, but if it were to be done I'd prefer it to be solid and robust, using libraries and solid error handling`
`15:02.13`	`MrGrim`	`that's one thing I love about audiocd://, it is completely integrated`
`15:02.21`	`McEnroe`	`the thing is, i want to rip 100% lossless cds. using cdparanoia it's 30 times slower than using kaudiocreator, but i can't imagine why...`
`15:02.27`	`gigabytes`	`Jucato: yes of course`
`15:02.33`	`McEnroe`	`MrGrim: agree`
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`15:02.55`	`MrGrim`	`there are about 800 command line scripts and sloppily made dvd extraction frontends on freshmeat`
`15:03.06`	`MrGrim`	`that string together a few command line tools and make a few assumptions`
`15:03.11`	`Jucato`	`I though kaudiocreator also used cdparanoia?`
`15:03.24`	`McEnroe`	`Jucato: the lib`
`15:03.37`	`Jucato`	`ok...`
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`15:06.43`	`thiago`	`gigabytes: k3b can do that much better`
`15:07.06`	`gigabytes`	`thiago: ok..`
`15:07.09`	`gigabytes`	`thiago: another thing`
`15:07.27`	`gigabytes`	`I know that many people have already asked the same thing but...`
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`15:07.54`	`gigabytes`	`thiago: what about a simple cd burning kioslave? something like Burning Folders on OS X`
`15:09.35`	`thiago`	`k3b too`
`15:09.59`	`gigabytes`	`yes`
`15:10.05`	`gigabytes`	`I know k3b is excellent`
`15:10.06`	`gigabytes`	`but`
`15:10.13`	`MrGrim`	`wasn't one being developed? or plans.. or a slight afterthought posted on a blog`
`15:10.16`	`MrGrim`	`or something..`
`15:10.46`	`gigabytes`	`drag&drop a file into an empty cd and then clicking on "Burn"`
`15:10.55`	`gigabytes`	`it is so much quick and easy`
`15:10.57`	`MrGrim`	`gigabytes's idea would be to turn my To Burn folder on my desktop into a kio slave that only requires a right click and burn`
`15:11.08`	`MrGrim`	`nifty`
`15:11.22`	`gigabytes`	`then if one needs more options will use k3b`
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`15:11.41`	`thiago`	`you're still describing k3b`
`15:11.44`	`thiago`	`there's no need for an ioslave for that`
`15:11.47`	`MrGrim`	`tho that can probably be done now I get with some scripting and dcop`
`15:11.59`	`MrGrim`	`s/get/guess`
`15:12.26`	`MrGrim`	`thiago: I think he wants to skip the "start K3B" step ;)`
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`15:26.44`	`Sho_`	`MrGrim: http://konqburn.sourceforge.net/`
`15:27.00`	`MrGrim`	`neato, thanks`
`15:27.13`	`Sho_`	`~gone`
`15:27.20`	`apt`	`Newsreader for the Gnome Desktop Environment. URL: http://www.mvdstreek.cistron.nl/gone/`
`15:27.29`	`Jucato`	`I heard that K3b 1.0 has better Konqueror integration...`
`15:27.36`	`Sho_`	`(konqburn uses K3b)`
`15:27.47`	`Sho_`	`(as backend)`
`15:28.09`	`Sho_`	`(but I'm actually not here anymore :)`
`15:28.14`	`Jucato`	`lol`
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`15:46.06`	`larsl`	`Ping? Any USB gurus here?`
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`15:56.54`	`Jucato`	`he left already... to bad... :P`
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`15:59.13`	`Schuenemann`	`he thought he was using MS DOS`
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`16:06.11`	`_-InFeRnO-_`	`hello`
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`16:07.05`	`Jucato`	`larsl: try KControl -> Peripherals -> Storage Media ?`
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`16:10.48`	`larsl`	`Jucato: Ah, thanks. What command can I run to mount a device and give the current user RW access to it?`
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`16:11.55`	`setog3`	`what is the best resolution to display kde : 12801024 or 1600900 (I want to buy a new lcd screen)`
`16:12.27`	`MinceR`	`i doubt that depends on kde`
`16:12.46`	`setog3`	`I am sure kde can solve all my problem ..`
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`16:28.08`	`lenscape`	`what's the release schedule for KDE 4 and why is this info so hard to find on the kde.org web site?`
`16:28.48`	`mots_`	`2. half of 2007`
`16:29.23`	`lenscape`	`ok. So if I put "later this year", I'm not going to go far wrong?`
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`16:40.41`	`MrGrim`	`lenscape: it's hard to find because it's anyones guess`
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`16:41.11`	`MrGrim`	`why set a date you can't be sure you'll keep or that forces you to artificially restrict yourself?`
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`16:42.37`	`lenscape`	`MrGrim: I know. I'm writing a news item and I need to put something`
`16:42.54`	`MrGrim`	`I'd say most definately some time next year`
`16:42.58`	`MrGrim`	`:P`
`16:43.09`	`lenscape`	`yep`
`16:43.13`	`MrGrim`	`2nd half 07 is not a bad idea`
`16:43.21`	`MrGrim`	`it's appropriately vague, yet defining`
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`16:48.31`	`r3zon8`	`how can i set the kde style/icon set/wallpaper that all users will use when they login?`
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`16:50.48`	`MrGrim`	`r3zon8: you could set it in the template dir for new users.. tho for existing ones I'm not sure beyond setting it manually`
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`17:11.18`	`Nathan1993`	`Is there a way to make my taskbar hide windows from other workspaces?`
`17:11.33`	`aseigo`	`racarr: yes, the pager and taskbar have had patches submitted`
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`17:11.54`	`superstition`	`hi`
`17:12.00`	`Nathan1993`	`hello`
`17:12.03`	`aseigo`	`Nathan1993: in the taskbar config you can set it to only show windows on the current desktop`
`17:12.40`	`Nathan1993`	`aseigo, I looked for nearly 30 minutes and couldn´t find it.`
`17:13.01`	`superstition`	`kded crashes with this messaes kded: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libsvnqt.so.3: undefined symbol: svn_client_info`
`17:13.06`	`aseigo`	`Nathan1993: Configure Taskbar -> Show windows from all desktops`
`17:13.18`	`superstition`	`any suggestions?`
`17:13.37`	`superstition`	`KDE: 3.5.5-0.2.fc6`
`17:13.38`	`aseigo`	`superstition: one of the kded modules you have installed has been linked against a library that has changed`
`17:14.08`	`Nathan1993`	`aseigo, thanks. I was hitting configure panel instead of configure taskbar xD`
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`17:15.14`	`superstition`	`thx`
`17:16.14`	`Firk`	`Hi, I need asistance with KDevelop. Can't get it to debug my (very simple) programms correctly, could anyone help?`
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`17:16.54`	`cheal`	`Firk: try #kdevelop`
`17:17.12`	`cheal`	`superstition: yes, use prebuilt packages unless you have a good reason`
`17:18.32`	`racarr`	`aseigo: Oh, good to know thanks`
`17:19.39`	`Firk`	`cheal: I've tried there already.`
`17:19.53`	`Firk`	`too few people there`
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`17:21.01`	`superstition`	`i've upgraded from fc5 to 6, maybe there's a old package`
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`17:24.36`	`Przemcio78`	`is kde trying to imitate windows?`
`17:24.55`	`Borgus`	`I've always thought that KDE was more Windows-like and GNOME more Mac-like`
`17:24.58`	`Przemcio78`	`i've got such an impression`
`17:25.11`	`Przemcio78`	`Borgus: me too`
`17:25.47`	`Kasyx`	`Is there anyway to get the sound effects in KDE without having to use arts?`
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`17:26.09`	`Borgus`	`Przemcio78: I happen to like Windows more than the Mac (yes, such people do exist ;) ), and I love how uber-configurable it is, so I naturally lean towards KDE in Linux`
`17:26.52`	`Borgus`	`Kasyx: Not sure, sorry`
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`17:30.44`	`superstition`	`found package kdesvn from fc5, will update it`
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`17:39.10`	`citr0n__`	`Hey. When I restart my computer, the KDE Wallet loses all its password. Anyone knows a fix for this? (Kubuntu 6.10)`
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`17:40.48`	`citr0n__`	`KDE 3.5.5`
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`17:45.10`	`mots`	`is there any script to convert GNOME iconthemes to KDE ones?`
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`17:49.20`	`thiago`	`mots: they should be the same format`
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`17:51.34`	`hyper_ch`	`Hiya, I have problems to get encryption running in kmail/kontact... I did create some keys with kgpg but none of them is available in kmail.... is there some howto on how to get those working?`
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`17:54.46`	`thiago`	`hyper_ch: OpenPGP/inline or OpenPGP/MIME?`
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`17:56.45`	`hyper_ch`	`thiago: at the interface you can select OpenPGP signing key... I do that but then there is nothing listed...`
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`17:57.47`	`thiago`	`have you created your key with gpg?`
`17:57.50`	`thiago`	`a private one`
`17:58.12`	`hyper_ch`	`thiago: I used kgpg to create a couple of keys for individual email addresses`
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`17:58.38`	`thiago`	`are they listed on gpg -K ?`
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`17:58.53`	`hyper_ch`	`thiago: yes, they are`
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`18:00.02`	`thiago`	`but when you go to Configure KMail, Identities, Crypto, you can't select them?`
`18:00.20`	`hyper_ch`	`thiago: yes, the list is empty`
`18:00.46`	`thiago`	`I don't know then`
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`18:01.07`	`hyper_ch`	`thiago: Now I found out... somehow it doesn't display anything on start when the email address for the search is in there by default`
`18:01.11`	`Mooby`	`hyper_ch: you need to sign your own key yourself`
`18:01.35`	`Mooby`	`otherwise, you won't see them`
`18:01.52`	`hyper_ch`	`Mooby: how to do that?`
`18:02.13`	`hyper_ch`	`or rather what is that for?`
`18:02.14`	`mots`	`thiago: http://www.deviantart.com/view/35190573/ then why doesn't this one work?`
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`18:02.47`	`thiago`	`mots: where did you unpack it?`
`18:02.50`	`Mooby`	`hyper_ch: trust your own key :)`
`18:04.08`	`mots`	`thiago: in ~/.kde/share/icons/`
`18:04.30`	`hyper_ch`	`hmm, the signing doesn work through the gui`
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`18:05.27`	`hastesaver`	`What's wrong with deleting ~/.kde? Or, how do I revert all settings?`
`18:05.45`	`benJIman`	`It's better to move it somewhere`
`18:05.52`	`benJIman`	`so you don't lose something you might want`
`18:05.54`	`thiago`	`mots: did it create a directory with the icon theme name? And inside is there an index.theme file?`
`18:05.55`	`benJIman`	`like your email`
`18:06.02`	`mots`	`thiago: yeah`
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`18:07.14`	`mots`	`but it doesn't even show up in kcontrol`
`18:08.15`	`hyper_ch`	`thiago mooby: do you have any complete guide on how to set those keys up and use them?`
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`18:08.39`	`KrazyKowB`	`hello`
`18:08.43`	`KrazyKowB`	`to everyone`
`18:08.49`	`Mooby`	`hyper_ch: nop,`
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`18:09.07`	`Mooby`	`I don't remember if you need to trust it ultimately or sign it`
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`18:09.27`	`Mooby`	`but iirc, it was necessary oterwise i didn't see the emails`
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`18:09.38`	`KrazyKowB`	`hey where am i?`
`18:09.42`	`KrazyKowB`	`which country?`
`18:10.03`	`mangz74`	`huh`
`18:10.07`	`mangz74`	`hello all`
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`18:10.21`	`hyper_ch`	`KrazyKowB: if you don't know in what country you are then you have a problem :)`
`18:10.34`	`KrazyKowB`	`im refering to the serven dummy`
`18:10.35`	`mangz74`	`KrazyKowB: that really would be a problem`
`18:10.52`	`mangz74`	`serven? you mean server?`
`18:10.58`	`KrazyKowB`	`server`
`18:11.01`	`KrazyKowB`	`country`
`18:11.06`	`KrazyKowB`	`where is the server`
`18:11.11`	`KrazyKowB`	`so logical`
`18:11.14`	`mangz74`	`this is a non specific channel`
`18:11.23`	`KrazyKowB`	`where am i...chatting to people from...`
`18:11.23`	`mangz74`	`i mean non country specific`
`18:11.30`	`mangz74`	`all over the world`
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`18:11.46`	`KrazyKowB`	`well most art of irc servers have diffrent people`
`18:11.58`	`fuzzy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:12.09`	`thiago`	`hyper_ch: no`
`18:12.11`	`fuzzy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:12.16`	`fuzzy`	`and i don't see any difference between it and the normal taskbarf`
`18:12.55`	`thiago`	`FuzZy: if you're using kicker, right-click, Configure Panel`
`18:13.15`	`FuzZy`	`ok`
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`18:13.43`	`thiago`	`select Taskbar, you'll see the option "Show windows from all desktops"`
`18:13.48`	`thiago`	`uncheck that`
`18:14.09`	`FuzZy`	`don't have that option ... :(`
`18:14.32`	`FuzZy`	`just sort alphab ... show minimized, show icons and show window list`
`18:14.46`	`setog3`	`how to enable the creation of new workspace like in window maker ? with kwin ?`
`18:14.51`	`mots`	`thiago: any idea?`
`18:15.21`	`FuzZy`	`what should i reinstall to have that option?`
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`18:15.55`	`fl`	`setog3: afaik you can't increase the number of workspaces dynamically like in window maker`
`18:17.23`	`FuzZy`	`why don't i have that option?`
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`18:18.44`	`thiago`	`mots: no`
`18:19.13`	`fl`	`setog3: why don't you set your starting number of workspaces to a large enough number?`
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`18:21.50`	`thiago`	`mots: I'm looking at the code and I think your icon theme is not valid`
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`18:22.21`	`thiago`	`mots: it means KDE cannot load it`
`18:23.32`	`mots`	`thiago: how can i fix it?`
`18:25.57`	`FuzZy`	`thiago ... why can't i see that option?`
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`18:32.52`	`oceanstream`	`anytime I try toaccess something via the media:/ kioslave I get "Feature only available with HAL.", but hald is running. What have I done wrong?`
`18:33.04`	`thiago`	`mots: first you find out why the theme is considered invalid`
`18:33.12`	`thiago`	`oceanstream: did you compile KDE yourself?`
`18:33.27`	`bsdfox`	`oceanstream: there is a new HAL out that supports lots of cool stuff, might try updating it`
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`18:35.38`	`oceanstream`	`thi: No, I used packages for slackware.`
`18:36.07`	`AlexElliott`	`The slackware kde packages are not compiled with HAL support`
`18:36.10`	`oceanstream`	`I am using hald 0.5.5.1`
`18:36.27`	`Taz`	`There is a special kdebase package for Slackware that supports HAL`
`18:36.43`	`oceanstream`	`Oh.`
`18:36.48`	`oceanstream`	`Where can I find it?`
`18:36.56`	`Taz`	`I'm using Slackware 11 with KDE 3.5.5 and I'm using HAL`
`18:37.08`	`oceanstream`	`Yeah, I've got slack 11, kde 3.5.5 and hal 0.5.5.1`
`18:37.25`	`AlexElliott`	`Not a Pat provided one, there is a patched version available in 11.0, but that doesn't use HAL`
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`18:38.17`	`Taz`	`Have a look here: http://www.linuxpackages.net/pkg_details.php?id=10117`
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`18:39.28`	`bobbin`	`Hey, is this the right place to ask when konqueror is likely to support css3 column-count?`
`18:39.53`	`thiago`	`bobbin: the answer is: when you send the patch :-)`
`18:40.00`	`thiago`	`have you tested KDE 4 already?`
`18:40.06`	`thiago`	`it has many improvements already`
`18:42.10`	`oceanstream`	`Taz: thank you.`
`18:42.13`	`bobbin`	`thiago: i've not got it installed yet. but now might be a good time. does it crash in any nasty ways? Is it back compatible with things that work in kde3?`
`18:42.19`	`Taz`	`:) Sure thing`
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`18:43.02`	`setog3`	`fl: I need something like in wmii.. you can have an infinite number of workspace, and show only the workspaces you are currently using..`
`18:43.11`	`oceanstream`	`Taz: Is kdebase the only package I have to change?`
`18:43.11`	`thiago`	`bobbin: it crashes a lot`
`18:43.20`	`thiago`	`bobbin: but if you want new features, it's KDE 4 that has them`
`18:43.21`	`setog3`	`if you have one window why to see 4 workspaces .. ?`
`18:43.33`	`Taz`	`oceanstream: I think so`
`18:44.14`	`setog3`	`and if you put a window on the workspace 5 (if you have only 4 workspaces) it create.. and destroy if you have 0 window in workspace 5 ..`
`18:44.20`	`setog3`	`sorry for my bad english`
`18:45.02`	`bobbin`	`thiago: darn it! what's the worst crashing it's done lately?`
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`18:49.10`	`oceanstream`	`Odd, I'm having the same error,. Feature only available with HAL.`
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`18:51.48`	`bobbin`	`is kde3.80.2 the latest kde4 version?`
`18:52.22`	`pinotree`	`svn is the latest version`
`18:53.08`	`hyper_ch`	`thiago mooby: it works now fine...t hx for your help :)`
`18:53.52`	`hyper_ch`	`Btw, is there a way to syncronize Outlook with Kontact?`
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`19:00.00`	`lynucs`	`hey anyone knows how to tell all other processes, which started with krusader automatically, to close automatically when i quit krusader??`
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`19:03.49`	`DeadFishMan`	`lynucs: Unless krusader has something that lets you close applications opened using it, I don�t see how you can do that.`
`19:04.53`	`bobbin`	`pinotree: is it possible to test kde svn source code without installing the kde4libs on my system?`
`19:05.03`	`pinotree`	`no`
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`19:05.26`	`pinotree`	`you can install locally for a user, with no need of root privileges`
`19:05.51`	`pinotree`	`see http://developer.kde.org/build/trunk.html`
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`19:06.32`	`lynucs`	`DeadFishMan, that sucks :)`
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`19:11.46`	`bobbin`	`pinotree: is kdesvn-build good to run (up to date) ?`
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`19:12.21`	`pinotree`	`probably it is`
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`19:27.18`	`setog3`	`does someone can give me a windows manager for kde , that I can use with only keyboard`
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`19:27.47`	`annma`	`you should be able to use kde with kwin with keyboard only`
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`19:28.30`	`annma`	`setog3: what is the problem with kde as such?`
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`19:32.08`	`setog3`	`annma: for now I use kde and kwin, it works fine, but I need some features from wmii (like a way to maximize all windows, and if I open one more window split the screen in two .. if I open one more split the screen in 3 (one big on left and two on right (like a matrix)), and a way to navigate like with the control key in konqueror (and to see the different shortcut), and a way to create new workspace if I tr`
`19:32.08`	`setog3`	`y to move a window to a non existing workspace`
`19:33.00`	`annma`	`you can make accessibility wishes if you want on bugs.kde.org`
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`19:33.21`	`bkudria`	`i dynamically added a monitor to my setup, and configured it with nvidia-settings. however, kde doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between the two monitors, and will, for example, maximize across both. how do i get kde to update it's understanding of the monitor setup?`
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`19:34.35`	`setog3`	`annma: ok I will do that, thx`
`19:35.09`	`annma`	`setog3: the accessibility team is keen to improve`
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`19:38.57`	`smoothies`	`where is the icon folder stored`
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`19:40.42`	`smoothies`	`anyone know how to install yakuake-2.7.5.tar.bz2? i need this latest version`
`19:41.37`	`annma`	`unpack it`
`19:41.43`	`annma`	`there should be a README`
`19:42.01`	`smoothies`	`k, think i tried that yesterday, i'll do it again to see what's up`
`19:42.18`	`annma`	`usually you run ./configure --prefix=/path/to/kde`
`19:42.31`	`annma`	`make and su -c 'make install'`
`19:42.49`	`annma`	`you needs kdelibs-devel from your distro`
`19:43.00`	`annma`	`and qt-devel`
`19:43.07`	`smoothies`	`ok, let me look around`
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`19:43.20`	`annma`	`maybe kdebase-devel as yakuake is based on konsole`
`19:44.08`	`smoothies`	`does ./configure mean the same as run(sh)?`
`19:44.25`	`olegfink`	`yes`
`19:44.33`	`olegfink`	`./configure == sh configure`
`19:44.39`	`smoothies`	`o thx`
`19:44.57`	`olegfink`	`heh btw http://archlinux.org/packages/search/?q=kuake`
`19:45.01`	`olegfink`	`It's old`
`19:45.01`	`smoothies`	`./configure != sh right`
`19:45.34`	`olegfink`	`2.7.5 / March 21, 2006`
`19:45.46`	`smoothies`	`o cool`
`19:45.57`	`smoothies`	`is that in the repos too?`
`19:45.58`	`olegfink`	`you say it's latest`
`19:46.03`	`olegfink`	`should be`
`19:46.24`	`olegfink`	`in any repos of any current distro`
`19:46.30`	`smoothies`	`i just saw it on the kde-app or kde-look website`
`19:46.35`	`smoothies`	`i thought it was latest`
`19:46.37`	`smoothies`	`=)`
`19:46.38`	`olegfink`	`eh`
`19:46.41`	`smoothies`	`is there a newer one?`
`19:46.47`	`olegfink`	`it is really latest but is too old`
`19:46.49`	`olegfink`	`no`
`19:46.56`	`smoothies`	`cool =)`
`19:46.59`	`olegfink`	`http://yakuake.uv.ro/`
`19:47.02`	`smoothies`	`thx`
`19:47.13`	`olegfink`	`the site says even older release`
`19:47.20`	`annma`	`smoothies: your distro does not provide yakuake?`
`19:47.47`	`smoothies`	`it's edgy 2.6.17-10-generic kubuntu`
`19:47.56`	`olegfink`	`Updated: 21 Mar 06`
`19:47.57`	`nixternal`	`sudo apt-get install yakuake`
`19:48.09`	`olegfink`	`it's from kdeapps this time, smoothless`
`19:48.41`	`smoothies`	`lol oiegfink`
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`19:48.59`	`olegfink`	`smoothies: in fact I`
`19:49.04`	`olegfink`	`m oLegfink`
`19:49.08`	`smoothies`	`huh`
`19:49.15`	`smoothies`	`o`
`19:49.17`	`smoothies`	`sorry`
`19:49.20`	`smoothies`	`=)`
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`19:53.41`	`sparrw`	`does kate search support non-greedy regular expressions? when i put a '?' character in my regex it complains its invalid`
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`19:54.50`	`olegfink`	`sparrw: I suppose Kate's regex support is PCRE.`
`19:54.59`	`sparrw`	`olegfink: im finding otherwise`
`19:54.59`	`olegfink`	`(AFAICR)`
`19:56.38`	`smoothies`	`is there a way to make the icons of newly downloaded object not always pop up at the top left hand corner`
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`19:58.25`	`sparrw`	`PCRE docs indicate that /./U or /.?/ should both perform a non-greedy search`
`19:58.58`	`sparrw`	`kate doesnt offer access to the 'outside' of the //s, and it complains ? is a syntax error`
`19:59.08`	`olegfink`	`eh`
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`19:59.37`	`sparrw`	`im trying to change class=foo into class="foo"`
`19:59.50`	`lynucs`	`anyone knows wether its possible to activate thumbnails in krusader ???`
`19:59.55`	`sparrw`	`first step, a search for class=(.*?)[ >]`
`20:00.02`	`sparrw`	`kate refuses to take the ?`
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`20:01.28`	`olegfink`	`can't understand why do you need it`
`20:01.29`	`lynucs`	`olegfink, me?`
`20:01.40`	`olegfink`	`lynucs: no`
`20:01.46`	`lynucs`	`ok`
`20:02.06`	`olegfink`	`sparrw: why not class=(\w+)`
`20:02.30`	`sparrw`	`olegfink: ? makes it non-greedy. without it, the regex matches all the way to the LAST [space or GT]`
`20:02.56`	`sparrw`	`\w doesnt get everything`
`20:02.57`	`olegfink`	`sparrw: class=foo bar`
`20:03.05`	`olegfink`	`it matches class=foo only`
`20:03.12`	`sparrw`	`class=foo,bar`
`20:03.15`	`sparrw`	`still matches foo only`
`20:03.40`	`olegfink`	`and you need , too?`
`20:03.47`	`olegfink`	`well`
`20:04.19`	`olegfink`	`eh yea`
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`20:05.54`	`olegfink`	`sparrw: class=([,\d\w]+) etc?`
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`20:09.24`	`sparrw`	`olegfink: i need everything allowed in a class SHORTTAG :)`
`20:09.42`	`olegfink`	`eh`
`20:09.51`	`olegfink`	`you know what it should be?`
`20:10.10`	`olegfink`	`you can use ?! for wat you don't want to be`
`20:10.16`	`olegfink`	`eg space and >`
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`20:14.53`	`elriff_darkheart`	`hey all`
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`20:15.07`	`elriff_darkheart`	`where is the sound control gui hidden ? :)`
`20:15.37`	`whirm`	`elriff_darkheart: do you mean kmix?`
`20:15.43`	`elriff_darkheart`	`that would be it`
`20:16.57`	`elriff_darkheart`	`thank you i found it... :)`
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`20:27.11`	`smoothies`	`hey everyone, i installed kbfx yesterday so now i have a great looking black startup button, problem: the rest of the panel bar is ugly grey still, how do i change it to match start button color, i tried google for panel background images, didn't find any =*(, thx for any help`
`20:29.17`	`whirm`	`smoothies: want to set the panel color to black?`
`20:29.51`	`smoothies`	`whirm o ya most definately`
`20:30.01`	`smoothies`	`whirm sorry i was away for a sec earlier`
`20:30.32`	`smoothies`	`whirm what do i do, what do i do :)`
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`20:31.47`	`edeca`	`What could cause KDE to think that hal isn't supported? Auto-mounting has stopped working since I reinstalled, yet I have dbus, hal and hotplug running and KDE built with support for them I beliegve`
`20:32.58`	`whirm`	`smoothies: create a black image and use it as kicker bg`
`20:34.18`	`smoothies`	`whirm is there a place where i can download made ready set of backgrounds?`
`20:34.23`	`smoothies`	`whirm for panel bar`
`20:34.29`	`Renze`	`smoothies: kde-look.org`
`20:34.36`	`whirm`	`smoothies: yup :-)`
`20:34.54`	`smoothies`	`they have it for panel bar too?`
`20:34.56`	`smoothies`	`that'd be great`
`20:36.04`	`whirm`	`smoothies: it has LOTS of artwok`
`20:36.36`	`smoothies`	`whirm i know, just wanted to make sure they have some for panel bar, i think i should go to the site and try before just asking again lol =)`
`20:36.52`	`smoothies`	`whirm thx for the tips`
`20:36.56`	`olegfink`	`oh no....`
`20:36.57`	`whirm`	`smoothies: np man!`
`20:37.04`	`olegfink`	`seems I'm getting gnome to install`
`20:37.33`	`smoothies`	`psh i thought u meant o no, my yakuake didn't start hehe =) hope u fix ur problem tho =)`
`20:37.45`	`olegfink`	`[olegfink@wolfkennel ~]$ sudo pacman -S gnome-perl`
`20:37.49`	`olegfink`	`Targets: gtk2-perl-1.122-2 libgnomecanvas-2.14.0-1 gnomecanvas-perl-1.002-2`
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`20:38.22`	`smoothies`	`!kdm`
`20:38.24`	`Renze`	`why dost thou spam us?`
`20:38.25`	`olegfink`	`that really hurts`
`20:38.33`	`Argyrw^_`	`Helloo people. Is there a way to have my gtk-based apps, lool like Qt ones'? Thank you :)`
`20:38.45`	`olegfink`	`I will have gnome this way....`
`20:38.45`	`olegfink`	`damn`
`20:38.45`	`olegfink`	`eh`
`20:38.45`	`olegfink`	`it wsa cry of a desperate`
`20:38.48`	`olegfink`	`Argyrw^_: gtk-qt-engine?`
`20:38.51`	`smoothies`	`what's kdm, is ubotu too tired lol`
`20:38.52`	`Renze`	`Argyrw^_: either use a matching theme (like QtCurve) or gtk-qt-engine`
`20:38.53`	`smoothies`	`!kdm`
`20:39.11`	`Argyrw^_`	`thanx`
`20:39.20`	`olegfink`	`smoothies: kdm is KDE Display Manager`
`20:39.20`	`Renze`	`smoothies: this is #kde, not #kubuntu`
`20:39.37`	`olegfink`	`smoothies: you see it when you log in`
`20:39.52`	`olegfink`	`smoothies: it's ehere Login: and Password: are`
`20:40.38`	`olegfink`	`Renze: I had to answer thou as a decent man using Old English, right?`
`20:40.58`	`Renze`	`verily`
`20:41.01`	`smoothies`	`olegfink o cool thanks`
`20:41.12`	`olegfink`	`smoothies: what is cool?`
`20:41.13`	`smoothies`	`that's not even a word`
`20:41.22`	`smoothies`	`olegfink Renze`
`20:41.24`	`smoothies`	`=)`
`20:41.39`	`olegfink`	`ah`
`20:41.46`	`olegfink`	`my poor /`
`20:41.58`	`olegfink`	`it now has lots of gtkish libs`
`20:42.37`	`olegfink`	`too bad`
`20:43.01`	`olegfink`	`need a universal source-level gtk to qt transition tool`
`20:43.11`	`Renze`	`write one`
`20:43.18`	`olegfink`	`hm`
`20:43.20`	`olegfink`	`good idea`
`20:43.47`	`Renze`	`olegfink: then use it on the inkscape source :D`
`20:44.13`	`olegfink`	`and gimp?`
`20:44.17`	`Renze`	`that too`
`20:44.19`	`smoothies`	`how dost one make panel bar black, i don't wanna make a black blah, i rather download from internet cuz that might lead me to a set of panel bar backgrounds that i can use, i can't find it on kde look, any ideas? thx alot`
`20:44.50`	`smoothies`	`the black blah means me creating a black background image and then use that as panel bar background`
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`20:45.47`	`smoothies`	`think i just asked a very convoluted question lol`
`20:45.55`	`Renze`	`smoothies: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=50489`
`20:46.15`	`Renze`	`smoothies: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=49710`
`20:46.27`	`Renze`	`smoothies: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=48430`
`20:46.30`	`smoothies`	`yay thx so much Renze =)`
`20:47.01`	`Renze`	`I found those by typing "kicker" into the search box`
`20:47.18`	`smoothies`	`ah i was just about to ask, thx alot for the tip =)`
`20:49.17`	`bkudria`	`i dynamically added a monitor to my setup, and configured it with nvidia-settings. however, kde doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between the two monitors, and will, for example, maximize across both. how do i get kde to update it's understanding of the monitor setup?`
`20:50.46`	`whirm`	`bkudria: right button in background, configure desktop, screen , multiple displays tab`
`20:51.37`	`bkudria`	`whirm: no such tab, because kde thinks i just have one giant screen`
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`20:52.50`	`whirm`	`bkudria: if you want so, i send you my xorg.conf file, it's a dual display config with composite, aiglx and all that stuff enabled`
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`20:53.09`	`Kasyx`	`This may sound like a stupid question, but how do I add things to kxdocker?`
`20:53.35`	`bkudria`	`whirm: i already have that, the point is that this isn't my usual set up, the monitor was added when x is already up...i want kde to recognize the displays, not x`
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`20:54.03`	`bkudria`	`whirm: and, i have an nvidia card. it detected the extra display, and let me position it witha graphical utility`
`20:54.52`	`Renze`	`bkudria: iirc, xorg will be getting hotplug monitor support in a future release`
`20:55.16`	`whirm`	`bkudria: then I think I cannot help you anymore :-(`
`20:55.42`	`litb`	`Kasyx: it's a hassle to add things to kxdocker`
`20:55.46`	`bkudria`	`whirm: ok, thanks`
`20:55.55`	`litb`	`it should be ways simplier`
`20:55.55`	`bkudria`	`Renze: oh, that's the issue? ok, then`
`20:56.08`	`bkudria`	`Renze: i was hoping it couldwork now :( I can wait`
`20:56.13`	`whirm`	`bkudria: have you tried to kill kwin and restart it? or kdesktop...`
`20:56.21`	`Kasyx`	`litb: Yeah, I expected it to be drag and drop, but no. :-(`
`20:56.43`	`bkudria`	`Renze: technically, nvidia-settings dynamically added the extra display, it's just that x doesn't know about it`
`20:56.54`	`bkudria`	`whirm: yep, tried both`
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`20:56.57`	`litb`	`the author of it thiks that everyone has the source of kxdocker in their heads :)`
`20:58.44`	`litb`	`Kasyx: and instead of making it simplier to add things, he looks for ppl to document that tricky process`
`20:59.41`	`litb`	`Kasyx: but nevertheless, kxdocker rocks. it's the most stable dockbar out there for KDE i've tested`
`21:00.06`	`Kasyx`	`litb: don't suppose you can run through how to do it with me? flutters eyelashes`
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`21:01.11`	`litb`	`Kasyx: umh, just experiment with it. you will see how it works ^^`
`21:01.28`	`litb`	`i don't use it anymore`
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`21:05.56`	`Kasyx`	`litb: ah, ok.`
`21:06.15`	`tanq_`	`I seem to have removed my kde menu items. what do I have to do to have that auto configured again`
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`21:06.57`	`setog3`	`annma: thx, I see many people requesting exactly the same features on kde.bug .. I post thx !`
`21:07.20`	`annma`	`:)`
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`21:23.42`	`picca`	`to connect to a windows file share within KDE, do i have to edit any configuration files or can it all be done by a GUI app in KDE`
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`21:25.08`	`champaloo`	`I know this aint kde related, but all the linux rooms are talking about other issues... I google but dont get the results I need... A initramfs is just a gzipped cpio archive right? so gzip -dc \| intramfs -iv should extract it right?`
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`21:26.49`	`champaloo`	`oops gzip -dc \| cpio -iv initramfs`
`21:27.01`	`champaloo`	`I cant type well... sorry`
`21:28.12`	`Nathan1993`	`How can I set my default browser to FireFox and stop konquerer from starting up when I click a link in xchat?`
`21:28.24`	`champaloo`	`from the kontrol panel`
`21:28.33`	`Nathan1993`	`?`
`21:28.34`	`champaloo`	`soemwhere in there`
`21:28.44`	`Renze`	`xchat does not honour KDE settings`
`21:28.45`	`champaloo`	`Kcontrol`
`21:28.47`	`champaloo`	`look in there`
`21:28.51`	`champaloo`	`settings`
`21:28.53`	`champaloo`	`thing`
`21:29.09`	`champaloo`	`perfered web browser or something`
`21:29.14`	`champaloo`	`I'd know it if I opened it up`
`21:29.47`	`champaloo`	`if Xchat doesnt honor kde settings then you need to tell xchat to use firefox`
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`21:30.16`	`Moobyfr`	`Nathan1993: better switch to konversation instead of xchat, it's same interface mostly and is well integrated`
`21:30.40`	`smoothies`	`does xchat have more eye candy`
`21:30.42`	`champaloo`	`you can use irrssi`
`21:30.43`	`champaloo`	`hehe`
`21:30.47`	`picca`	`to connect to a windows file share within KDE, do i have to edit any configuration files or can it all be done by a GUI app in KDE`
`21:30.56`	`champaloo`	`gaim`
`21:30.59`	`Moobyfr`	`picca: use smb4k`
`21:31.01`	`Nathan1993`	`Moobyfr: I tryed konversation and didn't like it. I just switched to KDE from gnome just to see what it was like. This is day 2. Kinda missing gnome.`
`21:31.24`	`Nathan1993`	`champaloo: IRSSI is great, if you don't use X.`
`21:31.25`	`champaloo`	`gnome sucks`
`21:31.34`	`Nathan1993`	`how so?`
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`21:31.41`	`champaloo`	`you can use it in a terminal`
`21:31.43`	`picca`	`Moobyfr: so without smb4k i would have to manually edit smb.conf to connect to another machines shared folder?`
`21:32.01`	`Nathan1993`	`champaloo: ? Can you tell me how to do this?`
`21:32.09`	`Nathan1993`	`Maybe how it's USEFUL?!`
`21:32.50`	`Moobyfr`	`picca: i don't remember is smb.conf need to be set to use smb4k, but smbclient use this file`
`21:33.04`	`champaloo`	`open up konsole, xterm, aterm, a terminal`
`21:33.16`	`Nathan1993`	`ok, its open`
`21:33.25`	`champaloo`	`type irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n (nick)`
`21:33.33`	`champaloo`	`and poof`
`21:33.46`	`champaloo`	`you have chat`
`21:33.54`	`Nathan1993`	`after I install it`
`21:33.58`	`champaloo`	`if I screwed it up man it`
`21:33.58`	`Nathan1993`	`apt FTW`
`21:34.00`	`apt`	`[ftw] wtf backwards, or for the win`
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`21:34.10`	`Nathan1993`	`for the win`
`21:34.38`	`Nathan1993`	`champaloo: So what? IRSSI running in a terminal. I can do that in Gnome too.`
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`21:34.55`	`Nathan1993_`	`this is a terminal here.`
`21:35.01`	`champaloo`	`Dude why cant you?`
`21:35.21`	`Nathan1993`	`ohhh`
`21:35.32`	`Nathan1993`	`I missed -> "<champaloo> you can use it in a terminal"`
`21:35.37`	`Nathan1993`	`I know I can`
`21:36.06`	`Nathan1993`	`I thought you meant I can use KDE in a terminal...`
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`21:36.22`	`champaloo`	`oaky whatever`
`21:36.36`	`Nathan1993`	`too much java`
`21:36.42`	`champaloo`	`Not enough beer`
`21:36.46`	`champaloo`	`It happens`
`21:37.07`	`Nathan1993`	`champaloo, I'm 13. I don't drink beer.`
`21:37.27`	`champaloo`	`Good`
`21:37.33`	`champaloo`	`but stay away from the coffe`
`21:37.38`	`champaloo`	`stunts your growth`
`21:39.27`	`Nathan1993`	`I only have coffee when I get up at 6:30 for school and I'm feeling extra tired. It's been a while though.`
`21:39.50`	`champaloo`	`AH...`
`21:39.58`	`champaloo`	`well if iut gets ya through school...`
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`21:50.33`	`Kasyx`	`Is there anyway to set separate sizes in Kopete for chats and ims?`
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`21:52.03`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: you mean fonts`
`21:52.07`	`Linux_Galore`	`?`
`21:52.10`	`Kasyx`	`No, window sizes`
`21:52.20`	`Kasyx`	`Sorry, should have been more specific`
`21:52.25`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: aaah thats not set by kopete`
`21:52.37`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: it's in the config for kopete o.o`
`21:53.01`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: In know but its using kwin`
`21:53.28`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: just adjuct the size of the window and set kwin`
`21:53.29`	`Kasyx`	`Oh. So it should be possible then?`
`21:53.39`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: cant see why not`
`21:53.50`	`Linux_Galore`	`adjust*`
`21:53.52`	`Kasyx`	`I tried before, but it just sets all the windows to the same size`
`21:53.58`	`Kasyx`	`Chat or IM`
`21:54.23`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: did you right click on the top of the windows Advanced->`
`21:55.09`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: won't that just work for windows of the same title?`
`21:56.08`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: you can set what type of match`
`21:56.30`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: the spawned window should have a different name`
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`21:57.32`	`Kasyx`	`Yeah, but that means that every IM I get I'll have to reset the window. I've got 400 odd folk on my buddy list and I'm two irc servers, on a fair few channels. Which means lots of differently spawned window names :-(`
`21:58.42`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: in Advanced -> Special Application then go to the Windows Tab, you can set two parameters to trigger the setting`
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`21:59.49`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: you can even create a "regular expression" to trigger the rule`
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`22:00.47`	`Kasyx`	`Hmm, so I could set anything that starts with a # to one rule, everything else is a PM...`
`22:00.57`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: yep`
`22:01.04`	`Kasyx`	`Swee`
`22:01.06`	`Kasyx`	`t`
`22:01.29`	`Kasyx`	`I wonder how easy it is to setup kopete again though. I quite like gaim 2`
`22:01.53`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: you can always keep the kopeterc file`
`22:02.00`	`Linux_Galore`	`ie save a copy`
`22:02.31`	`Kasyx`	`Yeah. There was another reason why I didn't like kopete, but I forgot what it was.`
`22:02.34`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: its under ~/.kde/share/config/`
`22:02.40`	`Kasyx`	`nods`
`22:03.23`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: if you want a feature goto the kopete home page and put in a feature request`
`22:03.38`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: this isnt like Windows, we do listen`
`22:03.52`	`Kasyx`	`giggle Are you a kopete dev then?`
`22:04.10`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: no Im not on that project`
`22:04.47`	`Kasyx`	`SHame`
`22:05.08`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: you have to understand, we like writing code and figuring out puzzles, dropping a nice idea in our lap is like having a brand new puzzle to play with`
`22:05.23`	`Kasyx`	`laughs Oh yeah, I know. I'm a security researcher.`
`22:06.17`	`Kasyx`	`I think I've fallen in love with kwin though. I mean universal window settings? It's like a dream com true. I can alt-F11 to get rid of _any_ menubar. My dream come true`
`22:06.29`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: I never got into security, most Ive done is play with sel`
`22:07.16`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: whats happens when things are made for people not grey corporations`
`22:07.44`	`Linux_Galore`	`KDE, the people Desktop`
`22:07.46`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: Oh I know, I've been using linux for many years now. It's only recently that I've switched over as my main OS.`
`22:07.49`	`Linux_Galore`	`peoples*`
`22:08.04`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: So are you involved in KDE as a whole then?`
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`22:08.27`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: yeah, I was like that for a while, saw the drm writting on the wall and decided this wasnt the directions i wanted to go in`
`22:08.57`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: its not that simple, kde is still very lego like`
`22:09.09`	`Kasyx`	`True.`
`22:09.10`	`Linux_Galore`	`being unix`
`22:09.22`	`Kasyx`	`And the fact it's not one monolithic build anymore`
`22:09.36`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: the base system is`
`22:09.46`	`Kasyx`	`kdelib?`
`22:09.49`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: yeah`
`22:10.15`	`Kasyx`	`Well that's to be expected.`
`22:10.21`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: we do have targets and some apps do get pushed of main`
`22:10.30`	`Linux_Galore`	`if they dont comply`
`22:10.47`	`Linux_Galore`	`or replaced in many cases`
`22:11.21`	`Kasyx`	`I wish the qt engine for gtk worked a bit better.`
`22:11.36`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: what's wrong with it?`
`22:11.42`	`Shirakawasuna`	`(mine works dandy)`
`22:11.44`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: although shining stars like k3b or kopete or koffice wont be vanishing`
`22:12.02`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: you mean the file dialog stuff`
`22:12.16`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: yeah thats one of my pet hates`
`22:12.17`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: using baghira it doesn't render the metal background of the app correctly.`
`22:12.42`	`Shirakawasuna`	`ah`
`22:12.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`baghira never worked right for me in qt, let alone gtk`
`22:12.55`	`Kasyx`	`But that's be using a contrary skin ;-)`
`22:13.05`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: only so much you can do with a theme engine across widget kits`
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`22:13.15`	`Kasyx`	`I just can't find a decent, pretty skin, tbh. I've hunted and hunted and hunted.`
`22:13.17`	`Shirakawasuna`	`especially when it's baghira...stupid baghir`
`22:13.19`	`Shirakawasuna`	`*a`
`22:13.28`	`Shirakawasuna`	`qtcurve is a good style`
`22:13.34`	`Shirakawasuna`	`quite customizable`
`22:13.37`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: I use Qt Curved`
`22:13.40`	`Linux_Galore`	`theme`
`22:14.01`	`Shirakawasuna`	`for windeco I used to use plastik and then for a while human blue (it's on kde-look.org)`
`22:14.06`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: very clean, might want to try serentiy, its totally original`
`22:14.14`	`Shirakawasuna`	`now I have beryl so I use some emerald temes`
`22:14.34`	`Kasyx`	`I want something clean, simple, but attractive at the same time.`
`22:14.41`	`Linux_Galore`	`Im not a fan of beryl, too distracting`
`22:14.44`	`Kasyx`	`And yeah, beryl is next on my list.`
`22:14.59`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: QTcurved is like that, very clean and simple`
`22:15.31`	`Kasyx`	`Hmm.`
`22:15.32`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: qtcurve is quite nice. It's like plastik only better`
`22:15.34`	`Kasyx`	`has a look`
`22:15.45`	`Kasyx`	`See plasik _is_ sexy, but a bit to big for my liking`
`22:16.06`	`Linux_Galore`	`yeah I dont like the dialog stuff in plastic`
`22:16.41`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: if you want super clean try serenity,`
`22:16.48`	`Kasyx`	`And what is it with stupidly large scroll bars!`
`22:17.05`	`Kasyx`	`I'm not that innaccurate with a mouse :-D`
`22:17.08`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: basically he uses gradients and not box's`
`22:17.15`	`Linux_Galore`	`no*`
`22:17.18`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: What's the difference?`
`22:18.10`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: well you know how most dialog have a line around them to give a box effect, were there is none in serenity he uses a gradient effect`
`22:18.24`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: my theme for qtcurve has nice scrollbars w/ no up/down buttons`
`22:18.28`	`Linux_Galore`	`ie OK has a box`
`22:18.40`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: oooh, are they quite thin?`
`22:18.46`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: Oh I think I see what you mean`
`22:18.58`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: no and I don't think there's an option for that`
`22:19.06`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: ah.`
`22:19.12`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: but they're not as big as plastik's...at least I don't think they are`
`22:19.36`	`Linux_Galore`	`yeah QTcurve is pretty good, and still being worked on so its always improving`
`22:19.47`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: what style is that then?`
`22:19.50`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hrm`
`22:19.55`	`Shirakawasuna`	`perhaps they're the same size`
`22:19.58`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: Yeah I'm going to emerge it in a second`
`22:20.03`	`Shirakawasuna`	`but they're done better - they're rounded so they looks maller`
`22:20.07`	`Kasyx`	`Just emerging kopete just now`
`22:20.15`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: sometimes that can be enough`
`22:20.32`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: you can get an ebuild off of kde-look.org or bugs.gentoo.org - the bugs.gentoo.org one is a bit behind atm though`
`22:20.59`	`Linux_Galore`	`My pet wish is a import tool for firefox plugins for konqueror`
`22:21.07`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: did you say you used beryl w/ emerald?`
`22:21.41`	`Shirakawasuna`	`yep`
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`22:21.45`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: What's konqueror like as a browser? I only really use it for file management cause I'm used to opera`
`22:21.48`	`Shirakawasuna`	`is was very very easy on gentoo`
`22:22.03`	`benJIman`	`Kasyx: it's great`
`22:22.03`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: really? Is there a guide? I had a look on the wiki but it all looks complicated`
`22:22.08`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: its ok as a browser, just I miss all the plugins that firefox has`
`22:22.14`	`Kasyx`	`benJIman: hehe`
`22:22.21`	`mots`	`Kasyx:its a really good browser, imo quite similiar to opera`
`22:22.22`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: its faster to start`
`22:22.25`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: I'm on amd64, so I have trouble with plugins anyway :-(`
`22:22.38`	`benJIman`	`Kasyx: you can use 32bit plugins fine in 64bit konqueror`
`22:22.40`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: follow the gentoo-wiki aiglx guide, add the aiglx useflag for xorg-server, emerge -DuNav world and then unkeyword/emerge beryl`
`22:22.45`	`benJIman`	`just install the 32bit nspluginviewer`
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`22:22.53`	`benJIman`	`assuming you're using a sensible (not debian based) distro`
`22:22.59`	`Kasyx`	`benJIman: yeah, need to find the wiki entry for it, it's been a while`
`22:23.05`	`Kasyx`	`benJIman: gentoo ;-)`
`22:23.20`	`benJIman`	`Kasyx: well you'll have trouble building 32bit stuff yourself for a 64bit system`
`22:23.22`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: ...that simple?`
`22:23.30`	`benJIman`	`guess you could use a chroot or something`
`22:23.32`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: does it have to be aiglx?`
`22:23.50`	`Kasyx`	`benJIman: there are some wrappers for ns to wrap 32bit plugins`
`22:23.56`	`Linux_Galore`	`aiglx is the red hat version isnt is ?`
`22:23.56`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: no but aiglx is way, way easier to do and reverse than xgl`
`22:24.00`	`Linux_Galore`	`it*`
`22:24.11`	`Shirakawasuna`	`aiglx is the modular xorg version`
`22:24.18`	`Kasyx`	`tbh, my main problem was java - the java applet is created in an x window outwith the browser window.`
`22:24.20`	`benJIman`	`If you're using nvidia drivers you don't need either`
`22:24.33`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: I always though aiglx was started by red hat and xgl by Novel`
`22:24.52`	`Kasyx`	`benJIman: what do you mean? I'm on nvidia-drivers`
`22:25.11`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: hey, java's been open sourced. Now you'll know just how close they are to getting amd64 support perfect ;)`
`22:25.16`	`benJIman`	`Kasyx: you can run beryl/compiz without using X's built in aiglx or xgl`
`22:25.34`	`benJIman`	`Shirakawasuna: java's worked fine on amd64 for years`
`22:25.35`	`Kasyx`	`benJIman: oooh yeah, I asked that before, which is better? xgl aiglx or nvidia gl?`
`22:25.42`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: Gentoo users wet dream, now they can compile java on the fly`
`22:25.52`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: it was but it's not a fedora core thing. It's just a xorg plugin`
`22:25.59`	`benJIman`	`Kasyx: I find nvidia fastest, but there is the black window bug`
`22:26.04`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: Really? Cause I got confused. For some reason I had to use a 32 bit java in 64 bit opera`
`22:26.13`	`Kasyx`	`benJIman: ah, how often does that happen?`
`22:26.27`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: open sourced AND GPL'd`
`22:26.32`	`benJIman`	`Kasyx: whenever you run out of video memory`
`22:26.47`	`Shirakawasuna`	`the only problem I have with beryl is killing zombie'd windows`
`22:26.49`	`Kasyx`	`benJIman: oh.`
`22:26.54`	`benJIman`	`Kasyx: well there's only a 32bit nsplugin for java, but konqueror doesn't require a plugin`
`22:27.01`	`benJIman`	`just uses java directly`
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`22:27.08`	`Shirakawasuna`	`sometimes doing killall isn't the best option and figuring out what specific tasks are in the cli is annoying`
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`22:27.23`	`benJIman`	`lots of people have misconceptions about x86_64 compatability after using debian based distros like ubuntu`
`22:27.28`	`Kasyx`	`Right. My brain is overloading heh.`
`22:27.32`	`benJIman`	`where you have to use chroots and whathaveyou to install 32bit software`
`22:27.34`	`Kasyx`	`Lemme write this down.`
`22:27.56`	`Kasyx`	`Konqueror = win, 64bit native. What about flash and other plugins?`
`22:27.59`	`benJIman`	`rpm based distros are fine with installing 32bit and 64bit apps on same system`
`22:28.12`	`benJIman`	`with 32bit nspluginviewer it can use 32bit plugins in 64bit konqueror`
`22:29.21`	`Kasyx`	`Is there a guide for that? Cause I may as well use konq, (until I find something it doesn't do that I did in opera :-D )`
`22:29.42`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: why do you use opera? I used it 3-4 years ago and can't remember what the pros/cons are`
`22:29.50`	`benJIman`	`Kasyx: you want a gentoo guide, there's probably one, in rpm distros it just works by installing the 32bit version`
`22:30.08`	`Linux_Galore`	`I love konqueror as a system file tool, remote file manager, but not as a browser`
`22:30.28`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: it's like a polished version of Firefox. To me FF is very 'hacky'. And it's so absolutely fantastically utterly customizable in terms of the interface`
`22:30.36`	`Kasyx`	`Good download manager too`
`22:31.00`	`Shirakawasuna`	`nifty`
`22:31.16`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I might replace firefox with it as my backup browser`
`22:31.23`	`Shirakawasuna`	`it has a qt interface, right?`
`22:31.23`	`SimAtWork`	`opera is fine`
`22:31.27`	`SimAtWork`	`i think, i've used it on the wii`
`22:31.31`	`SimAtWork`	`it still doesn't come close to konq.`
`22:31.36`	`Kasyx`	`Like my tab list is down the right hand side (cause it's widescreen) and that's it. The address bar is tiny at the top of that tab bar. Nothing else`
`22:31.48`	`Kasyx`	`I don't think konq can do that ;-)`
`22:31.57`	`Shirakawasuna`	`SimAtWork: how are you liking the wii? My parents couldn't get one but they gave me $250 to buy one when I'm back in college`
`22:31.57`	`Linux_Galore`	`opera os ok but I get display artifacts in opera when I scroll fast`
`22:32.00`	`Linux_Galore`	`is*`
`22:32.07`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: nothing better!`
`22:32.12`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: how long does it take to compile?`
`22:32.22`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: it's fantastic. I got a ps3 too. and we've spent all our time playing wii.`
`22:32.25`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: it doesn't, it's closed source.`
`22:32.34`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: ah, right`
`22:32.43`	`Kasyx`	`Shirakawasuna: but I can see it being opened up soon, tbh`
`22:32.55`	`Shirakawasuna`	`SimAtWork: of course :). I've heard the ps3's good games are coming out next year`
`22:33.11`	`Linux_Galore`	`PS3 would make a good PVR when Linux finally can use all its power, but I wouldnt buy one for games alone`
`22:33.23`	`SimAtWork`	`well i got it for a linux box`
`22:33.26`	`SimAtWork`	`and because of the cell`
`22:33.30`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: as a competitive advantage?`
`22:33.36`	`SimAtWork`	`i just think it'd be fun`
`22:33.42`	`Linux_Galore`	`SimAtWork: yeah but you can use all of the cell cpu yet`
`22:33.42`	`Shirakawasuna`	`it doesn't have to be closed source to be proprietary`
`22:33.45`	`Linux_Galore`	`cant*`
`22:33.49`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: sure you can`
`22:33.54`	`SimAtWork`	`i just don't know what to do with it`
`22:34.07`	`SimAtWork`	`and there aren't any programs that will take advantage of it yet.`
`22:34.19`	`Linux_Galore`	`SimAtWork: no, you can only use the PPC core in the cell cpu, you can use the other gpu like parts`
`22:34.30`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: yes.`
`22:34.32`	`Shirakawasuna`	`darn`
`22:34.35`	`Linux_Galore`	`cant*`
`22:34.36`	`Shirakawasuna`	`the opera url isn't resolving`
`22:34.39`	`Shirakawasuna`	`ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/902/final/en/i386/shared/opera-9.02-20060919.6-shared-qt.i386-en.tar.bz`
`22:34.41`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: no, you can.`
`22:34.52`	`Shirakawasuna`	`does that work for anyone else?`
`22:34.53`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: you can use the spes no problem`
`22:34.59`	`Linux_Galore`	`SimAtWork: all the write ups Im reading say only the ppc core works`
`22:35.09`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: well they are wrong`
`22:35.13`	`SimAtWork`	`inaccurate. false.`
`22:35.20`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: no workie`
`22:35.33`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: ask in #gentoo-ppc64`
`22:35.48`	`SimAtWork`	`also check: http://linuxps3.net/`
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`22:35.59`	`SimAtWork`	`and http://linuxps3.net/`
`22:36.14`	`W8TAH`	`hi folks -- im preparing to build kopete 3.5.5 -r2 on my gentoo laptop with fluxbox im getting ready to begin specifying my use flags, and could use a bit of help from anyone whose been there and done that`
`22:36.28`	`Linux_Galore`	`SimAtWork: in the next software update for the PS3 Sony are adding a remote OS install option to the menu, how cool is that`
`22:36.32`	`Shirakawasuna`	`W8TAH: what kind of help?`
`22:36.50`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: that's been there since the beginning`
`22:36.56`	`SimAtWork`	`oh, REMOTE install`
`22:36.57`	`SimAtWork`	`never mind`
`22:37.00`	`W8TAH`	`Shirakawasuna, im not totally sure of which flags are needed etc -- id like to do this right :)`
`22:37.00`	`SimAtWork`	`now that IS cool`
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`22:37.08`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: how is that going to work?`
`22:37.32`	`Linux_Galore`	`SimAtWork: dare say Sony are looking at it as a $$$ service`
`22:37.57`	`SimAtWork`	`i'm not sure how exactly they plan to make money off of it`
`22:37.59`	`Shirakawasuna`	`W8TAH: well first of all enable ccache because then if you have to recompile it'll go up to 2x as fast`
`22:38.05`	`Shirakawasuna`	`if you have a big enough HD, that is`
`22:38.07`	`SimAtWork`	`but it should help to increase the number of people who own a ps3`
`22:38.17`	`Linux_Galore`	`SimAtWork: someone saw it when they were playing a demo unit in Japan`
`22:38.24`	`Shirakawasuna`	`W8TAH: some of them are obvious, like the yahoo useflag`
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`22:38.57`	`W8TAH`	`Shirakawasuna, yes, thats for sure`
`22:39.02`	`Linux_Galore`	`SimAtWork: its part of the firmware for when its released in Europe`
`22:39.06`	`W8TAH`	`its some of the less obvious ones im not so sure about`
`22:39.12`	`Shirakawasuna`	`opera must be doing updates to their site`
`22:39.17`	`Shirakawasuna`	`the download link on the page doesn't work either`
`22:39.29`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: one thing i really hate about the ps3 is that when you're downloading something, you gotta sit and wait`
`22:39.30`	`Linux_Galore`	`Opera runs fine on the OLPC`
`22:39.43`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: like a firmware update, or a game. why it odesn't multitask is beyond me.`
`22:39.49`	`Linux_Galore`	`wonder if the kde guys will work an a version for the OLPC`
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`22:39.57`	`Shirakawasuna`	`the olpc is nifty`
`22:40.03`	`Shirakawasuna`	`nifty and maybe silly....but nifty`
`22:40.04`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: you'd think they'd get one of the spe's to handle the download at the very least.`
`22:40.11`	`SimAtWork`	`i think it's nifty and a great idea.`
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`22:41.10`	`Linux_Galore`	`SimAtWork: Linux will adapt the OLPC better than windows because its a totally new architecture`
`22:41.26`	`SimAtWork`	`is the olpc totally new architecture?`
`22:41.31`	`SimAtWork`	`it's still x86 i think.`
`22:41.41`	`Linux_Galore`	`well not 100%, but totally different`
`22:41.50`	`SimAtWork`	`it's just the olpc is CHEAP low end hardware`
`22:41.54`	`SimAtWork`	`something you'd expect from 1998`
`22:42.25`	`SimAtWork`	`but a computer from 1998 still has a heck of a lot of potential and to get children learning it now will be a great advantage to them.`
`22:42.28`	`SimAtWork`	`well, i think so.`
`22:42.29`	`Linux_Galore`	`SimAtWork: not really, back in 1998 you couldnt get a cpu that fast that uses so little power`
`22:42.30`	`SimAtWork`	`only time will tell!`
`22:42.46`	`SimAtWork`	`Linux_Galore: true, the low power consumption is very different from 1998 tech!`
`22:42.46`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I thought it was supposed to have a hand crank`
`22:43.23`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: they switched to a foot pump.`
`22:43.23`	`Shirakawasuna`	`ah`
`22:43.23`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: they dumped that after testing for a foot unit`
`22:43.23`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: i beleive so you can pump while typing.`
`22:43.23`	`Shirakawasuna`	`nifty`
`22:43.28`	`SimAtWork`	`i wish my macbook had a pump`
`22:43.38`	`SimAtWork`	`nothing worse than those out of power messages.`
`22:43.41`	`Shirakawasuna`	`the idea is good but sometimes I wonder how it will fight extreme poverty :/`
`22:43.43`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: the leg being the strongest part of your body so its more ideal to generate power`
`22:43.53`	`Shirakawasuna`	`any more than clean water or microloans`
`22:43.56`	`Shirakawasuna`	`*would`
`22:44.17`	`Shirakawasuna`	`plus you have gravity working for you w/ the foot pump`
`22:44.25`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: bet they have a solar kit for it soon`
`22:44.44`	`Shirakawasuna`	`that'd be expensive`
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`22:45.20`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: it will allow the people to do things on their own instead of depending on corporations to do everything for them.`
`22:45.25`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: that's the theory anyhow.`
`22:45.43`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: no many villages in remote regions all over the world use Solar (even here in Australia) its cheaper than the cost for the inferstructure needed to lay the cable from the power station`
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`22:46.32`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: dont forget around 60% of the worlds population dont have running water or power`
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`22:47.22`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I can see how solar would be beneficial but they take quite a while to pay for themselves and quite a bit of capital`
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`22:47.27`	`EvilGuru`	`do XGL or AIGLX 'work' under KDE, as all of the videos of them that I have seen are under GNOME`
`22:47.37`	`Shirakawasuna`	`that's why I assumed they wouldn't be that popular in third world countries`
`22:47.38`	`GNU\colossus`	`EvilGuru: yes, of course`
`22:47.56`	`Shirakawasuna`	`EvilGuru: yes but the kde window manager, kwin, does not have great compositing support`
`22:47.59`	`Linux_Galore`	`KDE needs its own beryl theme manager, I dont like the GTK thing`
`22:48.02`	`Shirakawasuna`	`EvilGuru: you'll want to use beryl`
`22:48.24`	`GNU\colossus`	`as long as you use a composite-enabled windowmanager`
`22:48.24`	`EvilGuru`	`so if I am understanding this: XGL and AIGLX use OpenGL to accelerate rendering`
`22:48.24`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: kde4 will have much better support sfaik`
`22:48.48`	`EvilGuru`	`but they have taken different approaches, but to make the most of them you need a compositing window manager (which is...)`
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`22:48.58`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: yeah, well I'm not using it until its supported negatively in kde`
`22:49.10`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: that was kinda my point: how is olpc as worthy as getting clean water to the extremely poor?`
`22:49.20`	`Shirakawasuna`	`*worthwhile`
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`22:49.31`	`smoothies`	`how do i make it so that yakuake starts when my comp starts?`
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`22:49.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: whoops, that kde4 comment was for EvilGuru`
`22:50.11`	`Shirakawasuna`	`smoothies: add a link to the app in ~/.kde/Autostart`
`22:50.17`	`EvilGuru`	`Shirakawasuna: so what is a compositing window manager`
`22:50.20`	`Schuenemann`	`how can get the volume of my headphones higher?`
`22:50.28`	`Linux_Galore`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:50.38`	`Shirakawasuna`	`EvilGuru: a window manager with composite support - the fancy effects you see with beryl like transparency, etc`
`22:51.02`	`smoothies`	`Shirakawasuna thx i'll try`
`22:51.11`	`Kasyx`	`I'm sure samba was created just to spite me`
`22:51.11`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: so give him some farming tools ;)`
`22:51.32`	`EvilGuru`	`so is metacity a compositing window manager?`
`22:51.46`	`x_link`	`If I highlight my trash icon on my desktop and press Ctrl+Alt+Delete. So that it will be deleted. Is it possible for me to then get the icon back?`
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`22:51.51`	`x_link`	`If I would regret it?`
`22:51.52`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: Information is power, knowlege comes from information, right now if you give them water and food they dont actually gain anything in the long term`
`22:51.55`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I'm just not positive that tech will help that much with the very poor :)`
`22:51.55`	`EvilGuru`	`or whatever the GNOME window manager is`
`22:52.21`	`smoothies`	`how do make it so that icons of whatever i download from firefox do not just always appear on top left corner of screen? thx`
`22:52.23`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: microloans work great and allow people to create local industries, etc`
`22:52.30`	`bluestorm`	`smoothies:`
`22:52.34`	`bluestorm`	`it's in firefox settings`
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`22:52.46`	`Shirakawasuna`	`EvilGuru: metacity is getting compositing support`
`22:52.47`	`bluestorm`	`Download > ask me where to download each time`
`22:52.51`	`bluestorm`	`(something like that)`
`22:53.13`	`EvilGuru`	`so would I be right to assume that current compositing window manages just emulate the L&F of metacity`
`22:53.25`	`Schuenemann`	`how can get the volume of my headphones higher? anyone?`
`22:53.30`	`AlexElliott`	`The idea I think would be that the tech improves education, the educated people would then result in a better economy, the more stable economy would then provide sustainable supplies of food/water etc.`
`22:53.30`	`Schuenemann`	`kmix is at the maximum`
`22:53.33`	`Shirakawasuna`	`bluestorm: he's wondering how to align icons on the right. Or at least not on the top left`
`22:53.39`	`Kasyx`	`Schuenemann: plug them into the mains? ;-)`
`22:53.48`	`Schuenemann`	`into what?`
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`22:54.00`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: there was a very good BBC doco about two years ago about the problems that aid is now causing in Africa, instead of people moving to land that can sustain farming better they stay were they are and know that when a drought comes along the UN will hand out food for free`
`22:54.03`	`Shirakawasuna`	`smoothies: I'm actually not sure if that's possible. Tell me if you find out`
`22:54.23`	`smoothies`	`Shirakawasuna thx`
`22:54.26`	`Shirakawasuna`	`EvilGuru: they use pixmaps and metacity already has pixmap themes`
`22:54.32`	`Schuenemann`	`Kasyx: what's that?`
`22:54.47`	`smoothies`	`Shirakawasuna, bluestorm, thx, i'll report back here if i find something`
`22:55.00`	`EvilGuru`	`so currently a special window manager is needed and kwin does not support it`
`22:55.09`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: aid doesn't actually fix anything, knowledge does`
`22:55.33`	`Kasyx`	`Schuenemann: I was being facetious, don't mind me :-)`
`22:55.43`	`smoothies`	`big words me no understand`
`22:55.45`	`smoothies`	`lol just kidding`
`22:55.49`	`Schuenemann`	`no, no way to get the volume higher?`
`22:55.51`	`Schuenemann`	`it's too low`
`22:56.28`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: right but microloans aren't that kind of aid either`
`22:56.48`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: not really, but they offer an easy method to access it`
`22:56.56`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: hopefully they can manage to learn a great deal from their laptops`
`22:57.11`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I'd imagine they're better than nothing, but better than books?`
`22:57.37`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: books are fine but you one laptop can access millions of books`
`22:57.45`	`Linux_Galore`	`s/you//`
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`22:58.05`	`Schuenemann`	`if you can read a lot of books in a screen, true`
`22:58.06`	`Shirakawasuna`	`if you have internet`
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`22:58.18`	`Schuenemann`	`I can't read a lot on a screen`
`22:58.32`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: well the laptops are wifi based`
`22:58.38`	`Schuenemann`	`not to mention staying sit`
`22:59.01`	`Shirakawasuna`	`laptops have been shown to be not the greatest enhancer of educationw hen coupled with traditional methods...but that doesn't rule our them being ok on their own`
`22:59.21`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: still need wifi to connect to`
`22:59.46`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: well thats my question, what about the base stations and the satelite up-links`
`23:00.06`	`Shirakawasuna`	`yep`
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`23:00.32`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: some parts of africa I know have wifi already`
`23:00.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I still think the 'teach someone to farm' + microloans approach is better dollar for dollar...but that's just with my general understanding of the two`
`23:00.58`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: and some of the laptops are going to places like Syria who have inferstructure`
`23:01.07`	`Shirakawasuna`	`yeah`
`23:01.16`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I can see it as being great in areas without extreme poverty, just the normal kind`
`23:01.49`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: the laptops wont necessarily be going to the very poor, but the people who are semi poor but in countries just starting to grow`
`23:01.56`	`Shirakawasuna`	`right`
`23:01.58`	`Shirakawasuna`	`makes sense there`
`23:02.03`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: the laptops will form mesh networks of their own also.`
`23:02.14`	`Shirakawasuna`	`gives them the perfect tool for a globalizing economy`
`23:02.16`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: help them get to the next stage`
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`23:02.30`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I don't think it helps the poorest african nations all that much, though :/`
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`23:02.51`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: I cant see the logic of giving the things to a dirt famer in the middle of africa who is still crapping in a hole`
`23:02.57`	`Shirakawasuna`	`it'd be interesting if it could combat aids via expanded knowledge, though`
`23:03.09`	`Shirakawasuna`	`but that's only if they have access to a nonfiltered internet`
`23:03.15`	`Schuenemann`	`is this #kde or #politics ?`
`23:03.16`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: politically it might be VERY liberating also.`
`23:03.29`	`Linux_Galore`	`Schuenemann: were talking about OKPC`
`23:03.33`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: imagine these people who are force fed every bit of information all of a sudden being able to find out what's going on in the world, on their own.`
`23:03.34`	`Linux_Galore`	`sorry OLPC`
`23:03.40`	`Schuenemann`	`what is that?`
`23:03.49`	`Linux_Galore`	`Schuenemann: one laptop per child`
`23:04.01`	`Schuenemann`	`I'd appreciate receiving one`
`23:04.07`	`Schuenemann`	`they're too expensive`
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`23:04.11`	`Shirakawasuna`	`SimAtWork: yep, just depends on how intent their governments are on filtering (think of china)`
`23:04.18`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hopefully not very`
`23:04.32`	`Linux_Galore`	`Schuenemann: well they will cost nothing to those getting one, were just discussing "who would best benefit"`
`23:04.40`	`Shirakawasuna`	`have you ever read the posters and public announcements in various african countries on the ways in which a person can and can't contract AIDS?`
`23:04.58`	`Schuenemann`	`are these those laptops that have a lever?`
`23:05.02`	`Schuenemann`	`you pull to charge it`
`23:05.02`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: nope`
`23:05.08`	`Linux_Galore`	`Schuenemann: they removed the lever`
`23:05.14`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Schuenemann: they used to have a lever, now it's a foot pump!`
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`23:05.33`	`Schuenemann`	`they said they cost $100`
`23:05.43`	`Shirakawasuna`	`SimAtWork: some say that you can't contract AIDS if your wife is faithful`
`23:06.04`	`Shirakawasuna`	`SimAtWork: rumors say that if you have sex with a virgin you'll be cured`
`23:06.05`	`Linux_Galore`	`Schuenemann: actually latest figures show they may be able to produce the things for $80 if they can get the numbers`
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`23:06.17`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: that can't be good for the virgins!`
`23:06.20`	`Schuenemann`	`hmm`
`23:06.27`	`Shirakawasuna`	`SimAtWork: obviously. Can't be good for any young women`
`23:06.42`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: who would make up such retarded stuff?`
`23:06.48`	`Shirakawasuna`	`SimAtWork: very desperate people`
`23:06.50`	`Schuenemann`	`I agree that's retarded`
`23:07.03`	`SimAtWork`	`but what is the goal?`
`23:07.08`	`Shirakawasuna`	`it's a rumor`
`23:07.15`	`Linux_Galore`	`yeah, some parts of Africa are going to lose a whole generation`
`23:07.15`	`Shirakawasuna`	`it doesn't need a goal, it only needs popularity`
`23:07.32`	`Shirakawasuna`	`if it sounds appealing, people are going to repeat it and follow it`
`23:07.54`	`Shirakawasuna`	`consider they're complete lack of education and it's not so ridiculous - which is where I can see the OLPC perhaps helping`
`23:08.09`	`Schuenemann`	`the name should be ALPC`
`23:08.13`	`Linux_Galore`	`I was listening the BBC radio and they were talking to a bed maker in Africa, his biggest problem are workers dieing from aids`
`23:08.16`	`Schuenemann`	`that O seems like a zero`
`23:08.17`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: oh, i thought you said a poster had that on it.`
`23:08.25`	`Shirakawasuna`	`for instance it explains in some islamic nations why the holocaust is even questioned - a lack of education`
`23:08.27`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: i was wondering who would make up such a thing and make a poster about it.`
`23:08.50`	`Shirakawasuna`	`SimAtWork: no, the poster said that if your wife is faithful you can't contract AIDS`
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`23:09.11`	`Schuenemann`	`that's still an awful poster`
`23:09.20`	`Linux_Galore`	`He would train them to work with the machines, but as soon as they got a pay packet they would go and have sex with a prostitute and before long get aids`
`23:09.24`	`Shirakawasuna`	`SimAtWork: that has many goals, one of which is to deflect responsibility from the government`
`23:09.58`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: ahh.`
`23:10.15`	`Shirakawasuna`	`from one of the many obviously corrupt governments in Africa`
`23:10.30`	`Linux_Galore`	`Imagine running a company were 10% of your work force dies every year`
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`23:10.46`	`SimAtWork`	`woot, no pension plan`
`23:11.20`	`Shirakawasuna`	`and even though corruption is the status quo of the world, I think europeans need to bear some responsibility for Africa, much as the victors in WWI and WWII should for the situation in the Middle East`
`23:11.54`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: ignorance at its greatest`
`23:11.59`	`SimAtWork`	`anyhow`
`23:12.06`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: yeah, BBC have a podcast up right now talking about the corruption in Africa with the aids drugs, the UN is handing out the drugs but the people managing it are basically stealing the stuff and selling it on the black market`
`23:12.10`	`SimAtWork`	`we should probably switch topics back to kde/linux before someone gets their nickers in a knot.`
`23:12.15`	`Kasyx`	`Hehe`
`23:12.19`	`Kasyx`	`Then they are fools`
`23:12.27`	`Kasyx`	`This is the most interesting channel I'm on just now`
`23:12.30`	`Kasyx`	`Out of 8`
`23:12.32`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: gah, that's why you don't let the locals handle it`
`23:12.47`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: they are, their the ones stealing it`
`23:12.56`	`SimAtWork`	`PhilRod: at least it wasn't pineotree.`
`23:13.03`	`Shirakawasuna`	`PhilRod: knotted knickers?`
`23:13.14`	`PhilRod`	`Shirakawasuna, indeed`
`23:13.18`	`Shirakawasuna`	`oh noes`
`23:13.25`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: the local distribution managers steal the drugs`
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`23:13.31`	`Shirakawasuna`	`well there's always #gentoo-pub ;)`
`23:13.41`	`Shirakawasuna`	`don't have to have gentoo to go there`
`23:13.47`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: they showed one woman complaining and the local manager kept his job`
`23:13.51`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: of course, there's no standards`
`23:14.17`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: there is no oversite`
`23:14.28`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: at the local leverl`
`23:14.34`	`Linux_Galore`	`level*`
`23:14.38`	`Shirakawasuna`	`yep`
`23:14.46`	`Shirakawasuna`	`well it's UN-run, so you can't expect it to go smoothly`
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`23:14.59`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: the drugs are counted going in and out of the main store but after that nothing`
`23:15.06`	`SimAtWork`	`someone should just let all those people who are "buying" the drugs know that they woulda been free without "mr so and so"`
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`23:15.31`	`Shirakawasuna`	`if you want to talk about irresponsible, talk about a weak world government in which almost nothing is binding >_<`
`23:15.52`	`Shirakawasuna`	`SimAtWork: limited access`
`23:16.15`	`SimAtWork`	`Shirakawasuna: and i think that's where the olpc would help.. if it actually gets into the proper hands.`
`23:16.25`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: then you have the "fake drug market" drugs with a half dosage that promotes an immunity to the drug`
`23:16.49`	`Shirakawasuna`	`yep`
`23:16.57`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: thats the biggest worry`
`23:16.59`	`Shirakawasuna`	`stupid UN`
`23:17.09`	`Linux_Galore`	`Shirakawasuna: that "will" kill you and me in the end`
`23:18.05`	`Linux_Galore`	`pffft, anyone with a kde issue lol`
`23:18.13`	`Kasyx`	`I've got a samba one? :-D`
`23:18.23`	`Kasyx`	`No one else seems to be around to help with it :-(`
`23:18.41`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: samba is one big hacking issue, even tridge admits that`
`23:18.56`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: try #samba`
`23:19.36`	`Schuenemann`	`how can I get the volume of my headphones higher? it's already at the maximum in amarok, kmix and the headphones themselves`
`23:19.43`	`Schuenemann`	`but still low`
`23:19.53`	`SimAtWork`	`Kasyx: samba problem? what is it?`
`23:19.54`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: I have, for the past hour. And #gentoo. And a techchannel on another server. :-(`
`23:19.56`	`Kasyx`	`What do I need to change in http://rafb.net/p/XRX18550.html (my smb.conf) to allow writeable access to the shared directory?`
`23:20.04`	`Kasyx`	`That's a paste of the query`
`23:20.21`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: have you tried "swat"`
`23:21.45`	`Linux_Galore`	`http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/SWAT.html`
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`23:22.10`	`Kasyx`	`looks`
`23:22.16`	`SimAtWork`	`Kasyx: it looks fine. you need to make the directory readable to the equivilant unix users though`
`23:22.25`	`Kasyx`	`d'oh`
`23:22.26`	`Ace2016`	`Hi all`
`23:22.28`	`Ace2016`	`i need help`
`23:22.30`	`Kasyx`	`root created it o.o`
`23:22.43`	`Ace2016`	`The icon for divx files won't stick`
`23:22.44`	`SimAtWork`	`so chown chmod`
`23:22.53`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: yeah, goto be carefull with permissions on directories/files with samba`
`23:22.58`	`SimAtWork`	`Kasyx: i've found it helps to make sure everyone is in the same default group too`
`23:23.27`	`Kasyx`	`Sweet.`
`23:23.29`	`Ace2016`	`from the file associations i can apply the icon i want, but then after logout and login again the icon is forgotten`
`23:23.29`	`Kasyx`	`Done`
`23:23.34`	`Kasyx`	`Thanks a bunch :-D`
`23:23.35`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Linux_Galore: yay for drug-resistant AIDS`
`23:23.36`	`Ace2016`	`it never remembers the icon that i asigned`
`23:23.38`	`SimAtWork`	`np Kasyx`
`23:23.49`	`Ace2016`	`i get a stupid netscape icon`
`23:23.53`	`SimAtWork`	`Kasyx: now that i helped you your job is to fix africa`
`23:23.55`	`Ace2016`	`why a netscape icon of all thing`
`23:23.57`	`Ace2016`	`things`
`23:24.16`	`Linux_Galore`	`I usually use swat to setup a default conf for samba then edit any weirdness in manually`
`23:24.20`	`Kasyx`	`SimAtWork: Ah, that's easy. Get rid of the debt :-)`
`23:24.39`	`Kasyx`	`rm -r /world/third/debt`
`23:24.41`	`Kasyx`	`;-)`
`23:25.39`	`Linux_Galore`	`Kasyx: wait till you start playing with ldap and samba`
`23:25.55`	`Kasyx`	`Linux_Galore: No chance of that.`
`23:25.58`	`Kasyx`	`Ever`
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`23:26.32`	`Ace2016`	`hi again`
`23:26.34`	`Ace2016`	`i think its caused by the nsplugin`
`23:26.36`	`Ace2016`	`how do i stop it?`
`23:27.06`	`Ace2016`	`i always asign my custom icon to divx files, and on relogin it goes back to what it was`
`23:27.10`	`Ace2016`	`how do i stop this?`
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`23:27.29`	`SimAtWork`	`Ace2016: how are you assigning the icon?`
`23:27.36`	`Linux_Galore`	`Ace2016: why are you using netbloat`
`23:27.42`	`SimAtWork`	`Ace2016: i so rarely log out but i can't say i've ever experienced it`
`23:28.08`	`Ace2016`	`in configure konqueror, and file associations`
`23:28.18`	`Ace2016`	`i don't use netscape, its just there, the netscape plugin`
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`23:28.34`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`can anyone provide me with some guidance as to why kde will not remember my latest session when i log out and reboot ? it always uses some old snapshot done some time in the past`
`23:28.38`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`never changes`
`23:28.39`	`Linux_Galore`	`Ace2016: aaah, its looking in ~/.mozilla/plugins`
`23:28.51`	`Ace2016`	`and the netscape plugin in the plugins dir shows that its found a divx plugin`
`23:28.51`	`Ace2016`	`is this related?`
`23:28.55`	`Kasyx`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: write permissions been revoked?`
`23:29.08`	`Linux_Galore`	`Ace2016: if you look carefully its looking in set places for the plguins`
`23:29.19`	`Linux_Galore`	`ie konqueror is`
`23:29.31`	`Ace2016`	`Linux_Galore: so i stop konqueror finding the netscape plugin?`
`23:29.51`	`Linux_Galore`	`Ace2016: I cant see how the plugin effects the default icons though`
`23:29.53`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`Kasyx, i am the admin.... and permissions of dir are set correct`
`23:30.08`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`~/kde3.5/share/config/session iirc`
`23:30.14`	`Kasyx`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: hmm`
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`23:30.44`	`Linux_Galore`	`Ace2016: your not running netscape under wine are you`
`23:31.09`	`Linux_Galore`	`Ace2016: I found the wine server will put the icons back on the desktop`
`23:31.51`	`Ace2016`	`in konqueror > configure > plugins > netscape plugins box > plugins tab > there are a list of mplayerplug-in-{file extension}.so and when i expand the divx one it shows video/divx and video/vnd.divx, and i was asigning the icons to those, so there seems to be a link here`
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`23:32.18`	`Ace2016`	`the plugin is resetting the dvix and qt and other selected formats back to the default`
`23:32.32`	`Linux_Galore`	`Ace2016: aaah`
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`23:33.56`	`Ace2016`	`Linux_Galore: so?`
`23:34.00`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`Kasyx, yea i know its sooo wierd`
`23:35.05`	`Kasyx`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: I had that for a while though`
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`23:38.16`	`Kasyx`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: Something to do with it saving the session, and using that session on login, instead of the previous session`
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`23:40.01`	`Kasyx`	`Oh, interesting problem.`
`23:40.19`	`Kasyx`	`I can write to that samba share now, but I can't read from it o.o`
`23:42.06`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`Kasyx, what would you advice i do now ?`
`23:42.47`	`Kasyx`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: I can't remember what the file is, but the kderc (if there was such a thing). I'm sure there is a line somewhere in some config that says 'use session' and that can be 'last' or a saved session name.`
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`23:42.56`	`Kasyx`	`I could be wrong, but I'm _positive_ I had that problem and that's how I solved i`
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`23:43.03`	`TinheadNed`	`'lo`
`23:43.14`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`Kasyx, kdmrc ?`
`23:44.03`	`TinheadNed`	`I'm running kde 3.5.5 in gentoo, and I upgraded a minor change to kdelibs, and my autostart directory doesn't work any more`
`23:44.24`	`TinheadNed`	`is it enabled/disabled by a environment var or cfg flag?`
`23:44.39`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`brb`
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`23:45.44`	`Renze`	`TinheadNed: no, there is no variable or flag to disable autostart`
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`23:46.21`	`TinheadNed`	`Renze: damn - that was the only thing I could think of`
`23:46.42`	`Renze`	`TinheadNed: btw, I'm using latest unstable KDE on gentoo and my autostart is fine`
`23:47.01`	`TinheadNed`	`Renze: yeah, nobody else has this problem - it was when kdelibs incorporated kde-env`
`23:47.14`	`Renze`	`TinheadNed: ah, that long ago?`
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`23:47.27`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`i cleared the old session out by choosing to start with empty session.... hope that fixes it`
`23:47.28`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`i cleared the old session out by choosing to start with empty session.... hope that fixes it`
`23:47.30`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`oops`
`23:47.35`	`TinheadNed`	`Renze: yeah, I have start gkrellm and kopete manually every time I start up, and it's REALLY ANNOYING :/`
`23:47.47`	`excitatory`	`is there a way to adjust the clock so that it displays: Thurs DDD`
`23:47.50`	`TinheadNed`	`Renze: amusingly, my laptop (which is configured virtually identically) handled that fine`
`23:47.54`	`excitatory`	`argh..ignore that..`
`23:47.55`	`Renze`	`TinheadNed: kopete is saved in my session, so no autostart necessary`
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`23:49.20`	`TinheadNed`	`Renze: I've not tried that - I wasn't really a fan of the session thing`
`23:49.34`	`excitatory`	`is there a way to adjust the clock so that it displays: Thurs YYYY.MM.DD HH:MM? (Right now it's stuck on this: YYYY.MM.DD Thursday HH:MM, and I would like the day to _at least_ be on the other side of the date if possible)`
`23:49.43`	`Renze`	`TinheadNed: I use "restore manually saved session" and use the menu entry that appears when that is enabled`
`23:49.59`	`TinheadNed`	`Renze: that sounds like what I want`
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`23:50.55`	`TinheadNed`	`Renze: ah, found that option, I'll try that`
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`23:52.43`	`Kasyx`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: No, not kdmrc. That just controls the login manager.`
`23:53.04`	`Kasyx`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: I can't remember where it is :-(`
`23:54.51`	`rainmaker`	`hello, i have madriva linux 2007 dvd can i burn it as cd to run the setup from it, how to burn the files into different cds.help please`
`23:55.49`	`Renze`	`rainmaker: #mandriva`
`23:55.54`	`Renze`	`rainmaker: it has nothing to do with KDE`
`23:56.07`	`rainmaker`	`ok thanks Renze`
`23:56.53`	`Linux_Galore`	`rainmaker: you can download a cd version of Mandriva 2007`
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`23:59.52`	`Argyrw^_`	`Helloo everyone. How is it possible that KDE/qt is much snappier than GNOME/gtk ?`
`23:59.52`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Kasyx: opera's not half bad`

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