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00:08.38 | smileaf | well this chat sucks tonight. |
00:08.53 | illogic-al | don't it though. |
00:09.14 | smileaf | its not like it's midnight .... yet or anymore to some :) |
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00:52.20 | Servo888 | I was wondering - where does korganizer store it's information? I backed up my entire home folder during a reinstall, but can't seem to locate any .koranizer folders =-\ |
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00:57.17 | Servo888 | found it! ./.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics |
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01:17.40 | labruillere | c vide |
01:28.14 | PF-Away | i just found another reason to use KDE |
01:28.27 | PF-Away | gnome's founder, de Icaza's moral stinks |
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01:28.36 | PF-Away | :D |
01:28.39 | PF-Away | happy new year, btw |
01:28.54 | labruillere | happy new year |
01:31.43 | Kasyx | Heh |
01:31.47 | Kasyx | I'm a tad tipsy |
01:31.56 | PF-Away | lol |
01:32.30 | labruillere | u're not a bot? |
01:32.51 | PF-Away | who? |
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01:33.26 | PF-Away | :P |
01:33.46 | labruillere | lol |
01:35.12 | labruillere | are u european? |
01:38.01 | PF-Away | yeah |
01:38.02 | PF-Away | norway |
01:38.10 | PF-Away | you? |
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01:50.14 | unity | hey, is it a known issue that kwrite 3.5.5 with aspell 0.50.5 sometimes crashes during a spellcheck? |
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02:10.48 | SwordManX | hey how do i set konqueror to just act as a file browser by defail |
02:10.51 | SwordManX | default |
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02:33.56 | Zaki | hi, i have accedentally killed the kde panel |
02:34.00 | Zaki | how to start it? |
02:34.08 | Renze | alt-f2, and type kicker |
02:34.38 | Zaki | what about kicker & ? |
02:34.45 | Renze | it won't matter |
02:34.47 | Zaki | or no need for "&" it seems |
02:34.54 | Zaki | Renze, THANKS ALOT!!! :D |
02:34.58 | Renze | no problem |
02:35.06 | Jucato | Renze: moin! :) |
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02:35.20 | Zaki | Renze, a great 2007 for KDE because of your help :D |
02:35.23 | Renze | Jucato: it's afternoon, not morning :P |
02:35.28 | Jucato | lol |
02:35.36 | Jucato | Happy New Year (again) |
02:35.50 | Renze | "Happy" has yet to be determined |
02:36.09 | Jucato | Renze: aw... to bad... I'm happy, despite being sick :P |
02:36.44 | Jucato | eat!!! |
02:36.46 | Jucato | :D |
02:36.53 | Renze | ok, I will |
02:37.05 | Jucato | cook up one of your famous meals... (are they really famous?) |
02:37.15 | Renze | no, they're not famous |
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02:37.22 | Renze | just tasty |
02:37.25 | Jucato | :D |
02:37.45 | Jucato | I just remember the tuna sandwich and the soups |
02:37.56 | Renze | and the thai red curry |
02:38.01 | Renze | and the satay stir fry |
02:38.09 | Jucato | eheh |
02:38.12 | Renze | and the pancakes |
02:38.29 | Jucato | ooh pancakes! we had deformed pancakes for breakfast yesterday :D |
02:38.35 | Renze | deformed? |
02:38.54 | Renze | I make dutch pancakes... they're more like crepes |
02:38.56 | Jucato | yeah... the shape doesn't resemble a pancake in any way |
02:39.06 | Renze | with filling (sweet or savoury) |
02:39.34 | Jucato | dumped some blueberry jam on mine :) |
02:39.54 | Renze | ice cream is fantastic in dutch pancakes |
02:40.16 | Jucato | :) |
02:41.15 | Jucato | darn I'm so jealous... a KDE dev was able to install Linux and run KDE on his HTC (Universal) phone... |
02:41.36 | Renze | but right now I think I'll just cook some sausages and make some sausage, cheese, pickle, and mayo sandwiches |
02:42.14 | Jucato | have fun! and be filled :P |
02:44.58 | Kasyx | O.O |
02:45.02 | Kasyx | By whom |
02:45.04 | Kasyx | ? |
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02:46.14 | SwordManX | hey how do i set konqueror to just act as a file browser by default |
02:47.34 | Jucato | SwordManX: what exactly do you mean? If you use the File Manager profile, Konqueror will act/look like a file browser/manager |
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02:47.55 | Jucato | actually, Konqi acts like a file manager as long as you're viewing directories and not web pages |
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02:54.00 | SwordManX | Jucato, by default |
02:54.14 | SwordManX | by default now it goes to /usr/lib/fedora |
02:54.18 | SwordManX | or something like that |
02:56.16 | Renze | then blame Fedora for messing it up |
02:56.38 | SwordManX | haha |
02:56.42 | SwordManX | fedora core 5 had it right |
02:56.47 | Renze | default behaviour for pretty much every other distro is the user's home directory |
02:56.50 | SwordManX | but not on 6 |
02:59.14 | Jucato | *if* you click on the Home icon in the System Menu... if you click on the Konqueror icon on the panel or in the K Menu, the default is about:konqueror |
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02:59.57 | Drenthe | hey, is it a known issue that kwrite 3.5.5 with aspell 0.50.5 sometimes crashes during a spellcheck? |
03:00.38 | oGALAXYo | Drenthe: what distro... |
03:01.19 | oGALAXYo | Drenthe: what distro... |
03:01.19 | Jucato | Renze's engrish is purfect |
03:01.27 | SwordManX | its going to /usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html by default Jucato |
03:01.34 | Renze | I iz a gud spelar |
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03:07.06 | Jucato | SwordManX: I see... Fedora's customization, but for the Web Browser profile. do you mean you want to launch Konqueror in File Manager mode (at /home) when you click on the Konqueror icon in the panel? |
03:07.18 | SwordManX | correct |
03:07.21 | SwordManX | well the icon on my desktop |
03:07.38 | Renze | drag and drop "Home" from your kmenu to your desktop |
03:08.22 | Jucato | SwordManX: just change the command that's used to "kfmclient openProfile filemanagement" or make link to /home on your desktop, like what Renze said |
03:08.34 | SwordManX | okay thanks |
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03:09.17 | Renze | I wonder if the supermarket is open today... |
03:09.47 | Jucato | Renze: over here, the malls/supermarkets usually open after lunch on holidays |
03:10.01 | Jucato | yay openSUSE 10.2 finished downloading :P |
03:10.18 | Renze | Jucato: beware the Microsoft cooties |
03:10.38 | Jucato | hahah. I don't have plans of using it full time. I just want to test it and play around :) |
03:12.10 | Drenthe | oGALAXYo: gentoo |
03:15.30 | oGALAXYo | Drenthe: thats why it crashes.. |
03:15.54 | oGALAXYo | Drenthe: well i dont want to generalize here since there are people outside who do have a fine gentoo system |
03:16.10 | oGALAXYo | but most gentoo users that ive met use some sort of "leet cflags" stuff.. |
03:16.20 | oGALAXYo | this causes bad code generation which leads into said crashes.. |
03:16.54 | Drenthe | CFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" |
03:16.55 | oGALAXYo | of course it might be the case that this indeed is a kde problem but then it might have been reported by dozen of other people before.. so please check out buguzilla.. |
03:16.55 | Drenthe | too "leet" for you? |
03:16.56 | oGALAXYo | yes pentium4 can be the cause already. |
03:17.18 | Drenthe | i blame gcc, not gentoo |
03:17.43 | Drenthe | even though i believe gcc warned me in advance... |
03:18.01 | oGALAXYo | the use of an architecture such as pentium4 instructs the compiler to use this cpu specific commands (mnemonic) for better code generation this might lead into broken code genration depending in how good the pentium4 stuff is optimized or supported. |
03:18.14 | oGALAXYo | well i dont blame gentoo.. |
03:18.19 | oGALAXYo | i blame the people using gentoo.. |
03:19.09 | oGALAXYo | this probably wont have happened with any other distro that supplies packages and where in such cases quickly updates exist.. this wont happen with gentoo i believe.. its on good trusts to the users who "know what they are doing". |
03:19.55 | oGALAXYo | binary packages are usually tested.. and if they crash new binary packages will be created that fix this issue... |
03:20.23 | oGALAXYo | gentoo requires compiling and if you use excessive flags, or maybe a compiler that generates broken code then you end in these situations.. |
03:20.45 | Kasyx | ...And linux is all about choice... |
03:20.52 | Kasyx | ;-) |
03:21.17 | Drenthe | i still think O2 is worth it... |
03:21.25 | oGALAXYo | which leads into "non calculable" crashes... there is no clear line or structure in crashes.. e.g. if an app for debian crashes.. then it crashes for everyone.. but for gentoo people its today this app crashes, tomorrow the other one and none of these things can be confirmed or hardly confirmed by others since its compiled... |
03:21.30 | Drenthe | or --march=pentium4, rather |
03:21.34 | oGALAXYo | no |
03:21.36 | oGALAXYo | better -O2 |
03:22.01 | oGALAXYo | i had --march=athlon-xp for months in my buildscripts |
03:22.07 | oGALAXYo | and it gave the shits out of gstreamer for example |
03:22.16 | oGALAXYo | it took me a shitload of time to figure that out.. |
03:22.26 | oGALAXYo | removing the architecture dependant optimization solved it. |
03:22.37 | oGALAXYo | this also varies from compiler to compiler... |
03:22.48 | oGALAXYo | even slight minor versions can generate different code.. |
03:23.07 | oGALAXYo | even if you compile the compiler (during boostrap) you can by mistake compile wrong code into the compiler :) |
03:23.37 | Drenthe | i don't know...this seems to be one of the only problems i'm having with gentoo. all problems seem to be kde-related, so i don't know...i think i'll keep my cflags |
03:23.48 | oGALAXYo | or broken code.. so the compiler itself carries broken code, which leads into executing broken functions inside the code (that for example does optimization etc..).. so its hard to track these things. |
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03:24.17 | oGALAXYo | is it kde related ? or is it compiler related.. |
03:24.21 | Drenthe | if i don't optimize the compiler, i might be here all day compiling stuff |
03:24.34 | Drenthe | kde programs are the only ones that seem to crash for me |
03:24.42 | oGALAXYo | wrong.. |
03:24.48 | oGALAXYo | not opimizing compils faster.. |
03:24.59 | Drenthe | konqueror, kwin/kicker/kde, and kwrite |
03:25.03 | oGALAXYo | optimizing takes longer to compile.. since as the name says.. it needs to run optimizations. |
03:25.42 | Drenthe | i meant if i optimized the compiler and nothing else, as opposed to not optimizing anything at all |
03:25.45 | oGALAXYo | compiling with -O0 only is faster than -O2 ... e.g. it takes 1/3 less time to compile kde that way.. (dont fix me on the 1/3 now but its noticable faster). |
03:25.53 | oGALAXYo | ok |
03:26.36 | Drenthe | the other problem i'm having is that i have no clue where my notebook is. i left it on my desk earlier today... |
03:26.46 | Drenthe | Renze: what cflags? |
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03:27.00 | Renze | CFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" |
03:27.23 | Drenthe | that interestingly goes against much of what oGALAXYo just said... |
03:27.46 | Renze | and in the past (I have since removed it) gstreamer built fine ;) |
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03:28.13 | oGALAXYo | it didnt here.. |
03:28.33 | Renze | with gcc 3.3.6 (now using 4.1.1) |
03:28.47 | oGALAXYo | but gstreamer when running configure switched the cflags internally... only if you enforced the cflags it changed them. |
03:28.59 | oGALAXYo | ahh ok 3.3.x .... |
03:29.12 | oGALAXYo | with gcc 4 it messed up the internal stack. |
03:29.25 | Drenthe | 4.1.1 has a new optimizing engine or something. (i don't know how compilers work so i must sound really dumb) |
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03:31.30 | Renze | I've had those cflags for over two years with nary a hiccup |
03:32.38 | oGALAXYo | these are quite ok'ish cflags actually.. |
03:32.51 | oGALAXYo | do you use them for CXXFLAGS as well ? :) |
03:32.54 | Renze | yes |
03:33.09 | Renze | CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" |
03:33.19 | oGALAXYo | good... |
03:33.25 | oGALAXYo | you also put the brackets around it :) |
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03:34.10 | Renze | it's always a good idea to disambiguate |
03:34.24 | oGALAXYo | yup |
03:34.49 | Renze | Jucato: there's a project for you |
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03:35.20 | Jucato | Renze: I think I have too many projects in mind already... this isn't a particular itch, just a minor annoyance :P |
03:35.38 | Renze | sounds like an excuse to me ;) |
03:35.51 | Jucato | it actually is :P |
03:36.05 | Jucato | what? I'm not allowed to make excuses? devs make them all the time :P |
03:36.30 | oGALAXYo | Jucato: if you have so many projects in mind and you lose focus then its just a matter of bad controlling :) |
03:37.04 | Jucato | oGALAXYo: it's also a matter of poor prioritizing, organizing, and realism |
03:37.13 | oGALAXYo | no thats wrong.. |
03:37.17 | oGALAXYo | usually you do a PSP first :) |
03:37.33 | oGALAXYo | then you start the kickoff.. then you do controlling.. you finish the project and do your learned lessons :) |
03:37.34 | Jucato | hm.. Playstation Portable? :D |
03:37.36 | oGALAXYo | for each project that is |
03:37.48 | Jucato | I already have kickoff installed lol |
03:37.52 | Jucato | :D |
03:40.43 | oGALAXYo | tell me.. i am doing project management.. |
03:41.24 | Jucato | heh :) |
03:41.49 | oGALAXYo | but primarily i work as software engineer.. |
03:42.21 | Jucato | heh I primarily work as a bum :D |
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04:03.48 | livinded | does kde use it's own lib/application to prompt for a sudo login? |
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04:03.50 | warriorness | livinded: Yes, "kdesu" |
04:06.03 | livinded | warriorness: does it have a lot of kde dependencies, or would i be able to use it in say openbox without having to install and run large amounts of kde? |
04:06.24 | warriorness | livinded: I dunno... |
04:06.41 | warriorness | one minute |
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04:07.40 | warriorness | livinded: http://www.gentoo-portage.com/kde-base/kdesu/Dep#ptabs |
04:08.30 | livinded | alright so i'd still need the kdebase |
04:09.30 | Drenthe | Jucato: Ark's backends don't always indicate progress, do they? |
04:10.57 | stoned | happy new year |
04:11.12 | stoned | and eid mubarak to the people sacrificing goats and such |
04:11.27 | stoned | its party time |
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04:59.25 | lnxkde | happy new year people |
05:01.13 | pab | Cheers! |
05:01.26 | lnxkde | ;) |
05:01.54 | lnxkde | 2007 will be a very good year for KDE |
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05:04.06 | Bruno | hello |
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05:13.29 | Jucato | H@ppy N3w Y3@r! :P |
05:15.25 | icwiener | Jucato: Currently you can say that every hour agein for someone in the world. I think, only once from now on, though. ;) |
05:15.56 | Renze | Hacky GNU Year! |
05:15.56 | icwiener | Oh, five times... got that wrong. :D |
05:15.57 | Jucato | icwiener: don't mind saying it again and again until the last country reaches 00:00 :) |
05:16.50 | icwiener | Jucato: Which is Honolulu. :) |
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05:16.53 | Jucato | ooh |
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05:18.31 | icwiener | Oh, New York is just blowing up their money. |
05:19.09 | Jucato | :D |
05:19.19 | icwiener | http://www.earthcam.com/ts/ :D |
05:19.24 | Jucato | I probably would to if 1) I had money to blow up and 2) I weren't sick... |
05:19.37 | icwiener | sickness sucks |
05:19.54 | Jucato | sickness on New Year sucks++ |
05:21.30 | Jucato | lol |
05:21.46 | Jucato | well, yeah, in this case, the two are equivalent :) |
05:22.53 | icwiener | Hmm, on time square, thay only have that crappy blinking "2007" on screen... |
05:23.01 | Jucato | hm... so my folks up in New York are now celebrating new year... |
05:23.35 | icwiener | You have folks in NY? |
05:24.06 | icwiener | Oh, and in NZ. :) |
05:25.14 | computer | i thought folks mean parents |
05:25.31 | computer | or does it mean relatives in general.. |
05:25.40 | icwiener | lool, I guess this webcam http://www.nyvibe.net/nyvibescam/ is not updated regularly. :) |
05:25.56 | icwiener | I thought relatives... |
05:26.03 | computer | cool |
05:26.07 | computer | i don't really know =) |
05:26.12 | computer | !folks |
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05:26.31 | Jucato | icwiener: yeah. relatives in NY |
05:26.42 | icwiener | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=folks lol |
05:26.42 | Jucato | and one in Canada (don't know where) |
05:27.08 | icwiener | Folks: "Dem real niggaz from the hood that claim GD and stay tru to their shit" |
05:27.13 | Jucato | :O |
05:27.48 | icwiener | "Relatives. Can refer to just parents or entire immediate family; sometimes even to extended family. Most commonly heard in the Southern and Midwestern heartland of the U.S." |
05:27.53 | Jucato | heh I was referring to my mom's brothers and sisters and my cousins living there :) |
05:28.16 | SwordManX | <PROTECTED> |
05:28.20 | SwordManX | happy new years |
05:28.54 | pab | I certainly hope we have many ;) |
05:29.57 | icwiener | commercial? |
05:30.03 | icwiener | pab: Many what? |
05:30.15 | pab | years |
05:30.16 | Jucato | many "new years" |
05:30.31 | Jucato | I wouldn't mind getting a 2007.1 after this :P |
05:30.39 | pab | lol |
05:30.41 | icwiener | hehe |
05:31.15 | icwiener | 2007 will be a great year for me, I think. First of all I have to go to the dentist! ;) |
05:31.30 | Jucato | hah!! I have to find a reliable dentist first |
05:31.39 | Jucato | but yes, I do need to get my teeth checked... |
05:32.08 | Jucato | yes 2007 will be great year for me, too. specially for me & KDE :) |
05:32.40 | icwiener | hehe |
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05:34.10 | computer | is there a website for konqueror about page themes? |
05:34.29 | Jucato | page themes? |
05:35.02 | computer | mm, i'm not sure what u mean, i think i was trying to say that page that comes up when u first start konqueror |
05:35.14 | Jucato | aaah about:konqueror |
05:35.33 | computer | ya i think that's it |
05:35.34 | Jucato | it's basically an XML file afaik. /usr/share/apps/konqueror/about/ |
05:35.52 | computer | !afaik |
05:36.03 | Jucato | afaik = as far as I know :) |
05:36.05 | computer | hehe i didn't know what it stood for, i saw it before tho, just for got |
05:36.06 | icwiener | Jucato: I spent three hours with looking at the Konvi sources to see if I can fix a problem (that would have been no problem in Perls *coughs*) and when I actuelly found it and wrot workarounds to play with it, I found other problems, which lay deeper, so I gave it in more competent händs. ;) |
05:36.08 | computer | o cool thx |
05:36.33 | Jucato | anyway, you can make your own page (HTML or whatever), then save the view profile with the option to "Save URLs in profile" |
05:36.39 | Renze | händs? |
05:36.55 | Jucato | maybe he meant hânds? |
05:36.56 | icwiener | *hands :) |
05:37.00 | computer | Juacto thx alot |
05:37.57 | Jucato | icwiener: my motive for wanting to help in Konqueror is very personal... I just don't want it to get "replaced" by Dolphin any time soonish... |
05:38.30 | Jucato | if there's a way to fix it, or change it, or make an overhaul (using what we can learn from Dolphin), then I'm all for that... |
05:39.06 | Jucato | unfortunately, all I have now are ideas/concepts... and a very simple patch submitted to kfm-devel :( |
05:39.22 | icwiener | Jucato: My motivation was personal as well. I wanted to get this damn regexp working. ;) |
05:39.27 | Renze | Jucato: what do you have against aquatic mammals? |
05:41.10 | Jucato | Renze: oh nothing... :) |
05:41.24 | icwiener | I think the humans learned much from the Dolphins in Hitchhiker's Guide. :) |
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05:41.57 | Renze | a nautilus is a primitive mollusk with a spiral shell and tentacles |
05:42.22 | Renze | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus |
05:42.44 | Jucato | oh then "I have nothing against aquatic animals, unless they're mollusks in mammal's clothing" |
05:43.21 | Jucato | so they ain't instinct, eh? |
05:44.38 | computer | o what's aquamarine, it was something about beryl, i didn't pay too much attention |
05:44.53 | Renze | aquamarine is a window manager for beryl that uses kwin themes |
05:45.00 | Jucato | computer: aquamarine is a window decoration for the beryl window manager |
05:45.01 | computer | cool |
05:45.04 | computer | thx |
05:45.06 | Jucato | Renze: er... |
05:45.12 | computer | what features does it have tho |
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05:45.18 | computer | is it really eye-candish |
05:45.19 | computer | hehe |
05:45.24 | Jucato | computer: yep it is |
05:45.33 | computer | cool, i have to download it separtely? |
05:45.40 | computer | actually i'll go google about it first =) |
05:45.43 | computer | before boring u guys out hehe |
05:45.54 | Renze | we don't support beryl here :P |
05:46.06 | computer | is there a channel called beryl |
05:46.11 | Jucato | computer: http://www.beryl-project.org/ |
05:46.11 | Renze | no idea |
05:46.19 | computer | cuz everytime i had a question on it, people seem to say go to ubuntu xgl |
05:46.25 | computer | thx Jucato |
05:46.46 | Jucato | computer: only if you're using ubuntu |
05:47.00 | Renze | ew, buntu |
05:47.11 | computer | if i have question on beryl on kubuntu where should i go then |
05:47.24 | Jucato | computer: #ubuntu-xgl |
05:47.25 | Renze | thank you... may I have another? |
05:47.40 | computer | but, but, but, didn't u say that's only if i'm on ubuntu |
05:47.46 | computer | do people actually care that much where question is asked |
05:47.52 | Renze | thank you... may I have another? |
05:48.03 | Jucato | computer: it works for all *buntus |
05:48.07 | computer | nice |
05:48.08 | computer | thx =) |
05:48.29 | Jucato | computer: yes, people care. because it doesn't make sense asking a question in a channel that doesn't support the feature, does it? :) |
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05:48.39 | Jucato | Renze: sorry, ran out of places to hurt you physically :) |
05:48.52 | computer | o i was more thinking of difference betwee the differ buntus =) anywayz |
05:49.04 | computer | between different* |
05:49.16 | Jucato | computer: ah. well, #ubuntu-xgl caters to all the Ubuntu derivatives |
05:49.21 | computer | =) |
05:49.22 | computer | cool |
05:49.56 | computer | hey there's actually a beryl channel |
05:50.05 | computer | i just tried to see if i can join it |
05:50.05 | Jucato | have fun :) |
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05:56.19 | pab | Actually, I've experienced probs with channels bouncing me between them. "No you need to go to blah blah". Then blah blah send you back. pft What to do? |
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06:04.54 | icwiener | pab: They do not send you to the other channel to punish you. Mostly they just do not know the answer. So it would not be better for you not to be sent to the other channel. If noone knows the answer, you have to read things until you know it. |
06:13.25 | Jucato | hm.... is it just me or does Konvi's auto spellcheck reset to disabled from time to time |
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06:15.30 | pankey | ugh so is KJFK the only buggy weather code for kweather in existence? |
06:15.34 | pankey | it seldomly works for me :/ |
06:17.23 | icwiener | Jucato: I suspect a erroneous configuration reread in Konvi, since my osd and my growing input box is resettet from time to time as well. |
06:18.11 | icwiener | pankey: There was much work done in the last weeks on kweather, so maybe it's fixed for 3.5.6. |
06:18.16 | Jucato | hm... have to bring that up with Sho after the new year... |
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06:19.02 | icwiener | Martin Koller was crushing 76 bugs in KWeather last wek. |
06:19.25 | Renze | crushing bugs... that's how they used to make red food colouring ;) |
06:19.34 | Renze | cochineal beetles |
06:19.38 | icwiener | hehe |
06:19.44 | pab | icwiener: I hear. Just frustrating sometimes lol. |
06:19.54 | pankey | this has been ongoing since 3.4 was beta |
06:20.00 | pankey | always KJFK screws up lol |
06:20.39 | Renze | NZWN seems fine |
06:21.12 | pankey | the weather code for my area |
06:21.31 | icwiener | Ah, ok. |
06:21.42 | pankey | new york, jfk airport |
06:22.16 | Renze | new zealand, wellington airport |
06:22.37 | icwiener | Oh, wellington. I saw a nice picture of wellington... |
06:23.03 | icwiener | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Wellington_City_Night.jpg |
06:23.26 | Renze | yup, that's wellington |
06:23.34 | icwiener | Warning. Firefox users, don't click the image, it will most likely crasdh firefos. :) |
06:23.41 | pankey | rofl |
06:23.44 | icwiener | Renze: Are you from there? |
06:23.44 | pankey | opera :D |
06:23.56 | Renze | icwiener: from here? no, but I live here. |
06:23.58 | Jucato | heh Konqueror :) |
06:24.24 | pankey | 13939 x 1788 <----holy CRAP thats like |
06:24.26 | pankey | widescreen |
06:24.33 | Renze | panoramic |
06:24.35 | icwiener | The Mozilla Guys say, it's a problem with Linux mem management, due to the fact that it doesn't crash the browser unter Windows. ;) |
06:24.40 | pankey | rofl |
06:25.05 | pankey | shrink it a wee bit and use it with beryl desktop cube bg |
06:25.09 | pankey | :D |
06:25.12 | icwiener | Renze: I think I would sit on that mountain(?) every night. :D |
06:25.35 | pankey | linux has memory management problems? lol? |
06:25.37 | Renze | it's just a hill |
06:25.49 | icwiener | Mount Victoria |
06:26.00 | Renze | it's just a name ;) |
06:26.06 | icwiener | 196 metres |
06:26.21 | icwiener | Our "hill" is just 105 metres. ;) |
06:26.29 | Renze | mountains have to be 1000 metres, I think |
06:27.04 | icwiener | There was a movie about some village creating a mountain out of a hill... don't remember the name. |
06:27.17 | Renze | the man who went up a hill but came down a mountain |
06:27.27 | icwiener | Right. |
06:27.42 | Renze | or something to that effect |
06:27.43 | icwiener | "A mountain is generally higher and steeper than a hill, but there is considerable overlap, and usage often depends on local custom." |
06:27.50 | Renze | ah |
06:28.14 | Renze | in that case I'm surrounded by mountains :D |
06:28.19 | icwiener | hehe |
06:28.51 | Jucato | so an anthill can be called an antmountain, depending on local custom? |
06:28.54 | Jucato | ;) |
06:29.56 | icwiener | hmm, here, everything is closed until tomorrow... |
06:31.19 | Jucato | :O |
06:31.39 | Jucato | Linux_Galore: Happy New Year! :) |
06:32.16 | icwiener | Jucato: For next year you could write a konvi script to save typing work. ;) |
06:32.42 | Jucato | huh? what kind of typing work will it save? |
06:33.20 | Jucato | just think of the words, and it automatically puts in the text? |
06:34.09 | icwiener | onJoin(i); do echo "Happy New Year $i; done ;) |
06:34.20 | pankey | lol |
06:34.28 | Jucato | heh |
06:35.17 | Jucato | icwiener: btw, I haven't greeted him yet, he didn't join. he just changed nicks (indicating he's no longer /away?) |
06:35.41 | Jucato | don't worry, I'll try very hard not to greet anyone anymore :P |
06:36.09 | icwiener | hehe, keep it up... :) |
06:36.40 | Jucato | no I won't |
06:36.56 | Jucato | just finishing burning the suse cd's... then I'm off to a quick nap |
06:37.01 | Jucato | trying to get well |
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06:51.52 | SilverWolf | Hm is KDE 4.0 developed behind closed doors, or is it possible to compile a development version? |
06:53.04 | Jucato | SilverWolf: it's always possible to build it yourself. although take note that it's not in a state that is usable to anyone except developers |
06:53.06 | Jucato | http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version |
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06:53.53 | SilverWolf | Jucato, oki thanks :D As in... it should really really not be used? |
06:54.03 | Jucato | SilverWolf: also, if you're more interested in how it "looks", there's nothing to see yet. KDE 4 still currently uses KDE 3 styles, icons, decorations |
06:54.27 | Jucato | SilverWolf: if you mean "used" as in everyday, regular, normal end-user "used", then definitely no |
06:54.28 | SilverWolf | ah :) Exactly what i wanted. A little tired of gnome and wanted to check some of the new stuff |
06:54.56 | SilverWolf | hehe, a few mishaps here and there does not annoy me :) hehe |
06:55.16 | Jucato | we're not talking about just a few mishaps |
06:55.44 | Jucato | we're talking about things not building every now and then. that and you mostly have to compile everything from svn |
06:56.00 | SilverWolf | ah yes. :) Hm, ill give it a try. Just for kicks |
06:56.40 | Jucato | you can. just keep in mind that it's called "unstable version" for a reason |
06:57.13 | SilverWolf | yeap :) Thanks for the link and help |
06:57.24 | Jucato | also, not an absolute requirement, but it's presumed you have a basic knowledge of compiling stuff... and lots of luck :P |
06:57.35 | SilverWolf | gentoo overlays makes it a little easier to get up and running |
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06:57.47 | SilverWolf | yes yes no problem hehe :) |
06:58.18 | Jucato | hm... I'd suggest following that guide to the letter... not sure if Gentoo's overlays cover KDE 4 well... |
06:58.31 | icwiener | For all who except visual changes at this point o development, I made a screenshot from the last week svn... so maybe some decide to spend the time otherwise, since there is nothing breathtaking to see. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6879/kde4cn7.png :d |
06:58.38 | SilverWolf | okay, dammit :D Gonna be a interesting morning |
06:59.06 | Jucato | icwiener: dragging Dolphin's panels around is something I consider breathtaking lol |
06:59.15 | SilverWolf | icwiener, is the vector implemented for faster rendering? |
06:59.57 | icwiener | dunno. it's pretty slow atm, but that's not a surprise. |
07:00.29 | pankey | lol |
07:00.30 | Jucato | :) |
07:00.33 | SilverWolf | hehe |
07:00.57 | pankey | plastik looks sexier |
07:00.59 | Jucato | I could never get Konsole to launch from the menu or the panel... only from Run Command... in KDE 4... |
07:01.17 | pankey | too bad im using beryl :s |
07:01.43 | Jucato | pankey: can't Beryl use KWin themes/decorations using Aquamarine? |
07:02.07 | pankey | never tried aquamarine yet |
07:02.12 | Jucato | hm.. glad to see I'm not the only one that has the underlines in the icon names... |
07:02.19 | icwiener | Jucato: Yes, Konsole doesn' run atm. Logout neither. ;) |
07:02.24 | pankey | lol |
07:02.38 | Jucato | icwiener: oh kool... thought I did something strange with it. lol |
07:02.41 | Jucato | yeah, logout doesn't work |
07:02.58 | pankey | im not even sure which emerald theme im using atm :< |
07:03.37 | icwiener | Yesterday it broke my keyboard, so I couldn't even kill X... I was so glad that there weren't any unsaved changes in my first X screen. :D |
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07:04.19 | pankey | Adonis_Mod |
07:04.23 | Jucato | and I don't know how to make konvi build on KDE 4... |
07:04.33 | Jucato_ | which means I'm stuck with irssi for the moment :P |
07:05.02 | icwiener | hehe |
07:05.27 | icwiener | I guess you have to read about cmake and convert the whole project to a cmake project. |
07:05.30 | Jucato_ | pardon the clone... just couldn't resist playing around in Xephyr :D |
07:05.41 | Jucato_ | hah! I'd rather wait for Sho :P |
07:05.42 | pankey | xephyr? |
07:06.10 | Jucato_ | pankey: lets you run an X session within another X session |
07:06.25 | pankey | ooo nice |
07:06.33 | pankey | anyone tried KVM in .20 kernel yet? |
07:07.47 | Jucato_ | icwiener: is your K Menu a mess as well? |
07:07.56 | icwiener | define "a mess" |
07:08.18 | Jucato_ | hm... an entry in lost and found, a Settings sub menu... |
07:08.45 | Jucato_ | some stuff appearing twice under Utilities |
07:08.46 | icwiener | yes |
07:08.51 | Jucato_ | ah kool :) |
07:08.53 | pankey | haha |
07:09.21 | Jucato_ | thanks. now I feel more comfortable, knowing I didn't mess them up myself :) |
07:09.27 | icwiener | But you cannot make so many mistakes anyways. |
07:09.52 | Jucato_ | oh knowing myself, I can make so many mistakes... :P |
07:11.02 | icwiener | It's hard to break the menu structure by typing "cmakekde foo" ;) |
07:11.31 | Jucato_ | oh but those are not the only stuff I did... played around with the env vars too :D |
07:12.49 | QMario | HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!! |
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07:14.23 | pankey | uh |
07:14.25 | pankey | wtf |
07:14.37 | pankey | i plugged in my headphones, and i heard a sound |
07:14.54 | icwiener | Jucato_: O, funny thing. I had to install kde3.5 again and I couldn't get it running for about two hours (X refused to start and gave me no error)... finally I found out, that X actually started but then kde couldn't start due to missing KDEDIRS and missing kde bin path in PATH... damn thing is that while building I just said to myself, that I know what I am doing and decided that I do not need the Vars. ;) |
07:16.06 | Jucato_ | icwiener: heh... env vars... somehow I've grown to dislike them a bit... messy stuff... :P |
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07:16.14 | pankey | o nvm its gaim heh |
07:16.30 | pankey | anyone set up a webcam? |
07:17.04 | Jucato_ | ah just for the heck of it... |
07:17.55 | icwiener | waaaa, the motor of my dvd drive just stopped working! |
07:18.06 | Jucato | uh oh... |
07:18.11 | pankey | kick it! |
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07:18.24 | Jucato | definitely not good... |
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07:18.48 | icwiener | Hmm... maybe I try to build in a motor of one of my old cd drives. :D |
07:19.16 | Jucato | ooh... |
07:19.19 | icwiener | btw: it's the tray motor, not the spinning one. |
07:19.33 | Jucato | ah that one... I'm having problems with mine as well |
07:19.49 | Jucato | the tray I mean |
07:20.36 | Jucato | wow |
07:20.42 | icwiener | What does yours do? |
07:20.46 | Jucato | I'm depressed |
07:20.49 | Jucato | er.. impressed |
07:20.53 | icwiener | lol |
07:20.54 | pankey | lol |
07:20.56 | icwiener | No need. |
07:21.18 | Jucato | what it *doesn't* do is open... if I press the button or issue the command, it tries to open, but somehow gets stuck... |
07:21.37 | Jucato | sometimes after 3-4 tries, it opens. sometimes I have to stick in a pin in the hole... |
07:21.40 | icwiener | It's a normal job... you have to learn 3.5 years, then you forget everything you learned while being unempleyed... and then you get another job somewhere. ;) |
07:22.31 | Jucato | I don't know if I could consider any job related to electronics or computers "normal" :P |
07:23.20 | icwiener | During my apprenticeship I mostly changed lightbulbs... |
07:23.29 | icwiener | That was the practical part. |
07:23.54 | icwiener | In the theoretical part we learned some interesting stuff, though. |
07:24.59 | Jucato | hehe! I loved electronics and playing around those kind of stuff when I was a kid up to high school... it all changed when the fluorescent bulb I changed exploded (almost hit me with shattered glass) when I switched the lights on... |
07:25.54 | icwiener | whoops |
07:27.12 | icwiener | I got my first serious surge when I was 8. I found a screwdriver and was wondering, why lamps can be switched on and off by hitting a little plastic thing. ;) |
07:28.09 | icwiener | Back then I thought I was punished for playing with things I was not allowed to play with. ;) |
07:29.01 | Jucato | heh |
07:29.36 | Jucato | I wasn't afraid of surges before that bulb accident... now I'm scared of even a slight shock/ground from the computer... |
07:30.01 | Jucato | which actually sucks, since I need to do a lot of work with computers... |
07:30.17 | Jucato | yay last CD and I'm off to bed |
07:31.23 | Jucato | which just supports the evidence that you're mildly not human... |
07:31.31 | icwiener | hehe |
07:31.35 | Renze | tell me something I don't know :P |
07:31.59 | Jucato | hm... do you know that most people don't know that you're mildly not human? :) |
07:32.24 | Renze | but I do know that most people don't care |
07:32.43 | Jucato | oh that's something you don't know as well :P |
07:33.09 | Renze | the engine that drives the universe is called "enlightened self-interest" |
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07:33.16 | Jucato | heh |
07:34.36 | icwiener | Yay! dvd drive is working again. :D |
07:35.32 | Jucato | :O |
07:35.51 | Jucato | hmm... |
07:35.58 | icwiener | The 12v line was just dead... |
07:36.20 | Renze | Jucato: when you add them :D |
07:36.31 | Jucato | hah |
07:36.32 | pankey | lol |
07:36.36 | icwiener | dare you! |
07:37.46 | Jucato | Renze: I tend to code pages myself, but sometimes, I really just want to drag things around... |
07:38.22 | icwiener | like the matrix screen :) |
07:38.26 | Jucato | emphasizing the fact that you're mildly... oh nvm... |
07:38.37 | Renze | "blonde... brunette... redhead..." |
07:38.41 | icwiener | actually the matric screensaver tells a very good story. ;) |
07:38.54 | icwiener | *matrix |
07:38.58 | Renze | Jucato: yes I know, I'm a freak |
07:40.10 | Jucato | :) |
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07:57.51 | abdusabri | Hi, When trying to configure (xgl), i had this error and tried searching the web, any ideas :) |
07:57.53 | abdusabri | compiz-kde: Depends: compiz (= 0.0.2-4ubuntu2) but 1:0.3.3-0ubuntu2~git2006112~edgy1 is to be installed |
07:58.17 | Jucato | abdusabri: no reply from #ubuntu-xgl? we don't really support compiz/beryl here |
07:58.23 | Renze | compiz is not part of KDE |
07:58.45 | abdusabri | Jucato, yup no reply :( |
07:59.28 | Jucato | abdusabri: well then, you'd just have to wait until someone does... it's around 12mn-3am in the US and early new year's morning in most parts of the world... |
07:59.33 | JamesB192 | It vaugely reminds me of a bent package tree. |
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08:00.12 | abdusabri | Jucato, sorry, and thanx for helping :) |
08:01.56 | Renze | you're 21 hours late |
08:02.12 | Renze | Mon Jan 1 21:01:50 NZDT 2007 |
08:02.41 | Jucato | Renze: the world does not revolve around New Zealand... |
08:02.46 | Jucato | only Middle-earth does :P |
08:02.58 | Renze | good thing I live in Middle Earth then ;) |
08:03.27 | JamesB192 | Is it true the paved the shire? |
08:03.38 | Renze | nope, it's still farmland |
08:03.55 | Renze | it has been taken over by the sheep, though |
08:04.18 | Jucato | kill the sheep!!! |
08:06.55 | Renze | there are plenty of trolls around... but now they drive cars with cut suspension and loud stereos |
08:08.39 | JamesB192 | I hate those guys. I wish someone would come out with a way to disable/destroy their speakers. |
08:09.03 | Renze | focussed microwaves |
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08:44.53 | computer | does anyone use kmldonkey? |
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08:48.39 | pankey | hey |
08:48.53 | pankey | is there anyway to set a window to always be on top? |
08:48.58 | pankey | like amaroks player window |
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08:49.29 | icwiener | pankey: Alt+F3 |
08:49.35 | icwiener | look at the menu |
08:49.48 | pankey | i mean like everytime i load up kde |
08:49.51 | pankey | it always resets |
08:50.19 | pankey | im using emerald too btw |
08:50.31 | icwiener | In the Window Properties or Window behaviour, maybe |
08:50.38 | icwiener | What ever emerald is... |
08:50.39 | Jucato | oh... |
08:50.46 | Jucato | that won't work icwiener |
08:50.47 | pankey | aiglx, beryl |
08:50.52 | Jucato | he's not using KWin |
08:50.54 | pankey | yea |
08:51.05 | icwiener | Then it's not a KDE question. ;) |
08:51.11 | Jucato | so basically, the issue isn't for KDE |
08:51.14 | Jucato | oh snap |
08:51.26 | pankey | well with kwin it didnt work either :< |
08:51.50 | pankey | i would always have to manually toggle it on all desktops and on top of others :/ |
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08:53.28 | kde4-devel | yay kool! |
08:53.30 | icwiener | I can do it with the window specific properties |
08:53.57 | pankey | and it remains after logging out and back in? |
08:54.38 | icwiener | Yes |
08:54.41 | pankey | hm |
08:54.42 | Jucato_ | hi icwiener! hi Sho_ |
08:55.15 | icwiener | Hi Jucato_ (from konversation/kde4?) |
08:55.29 | Jucato_ | yesh... didn't know I could simply run it lol |
08:55.30 | pankey | special window settings? |
08:55.35 | icwiener | lool |
08:55.35 | pankey | or just normal menu? |
08:56.00 | icwiener | pankey: I do not know the english name. It's in kcontrol. |
08:56.01 | Jucato_ | pankey: Beryl probably has its own special settings |
08:56.07 | pankey | im using kwin now |
08:56.12 | pankey | u can switch back and forth |
08:56.22 | Jucato_ | ah Alt+F3 -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings |
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08:56.48 | icwiener | Oh, I didn't know that way to get there. :) |
08:57.29 | pankey | thats the way i used lol |
08:57.31 | Jucato_ | :O |
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09:00.40 | Sho_ | icwiener: It's a pretty convenient way to get there since it detects certain properties automatically and fills them in |
09:01.16 | icwiener | Yes. I used the button in kcontrol to detect things. |
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09:01.34 | Jucato_ | I find Alt+F3 more reliable than that button :) |
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09:02.06 | Jucato_ | hm... seems like I can't use the GUI to configure Konvi... cannot talk to klauncher :) |
09:03.18 | computer | !kde4 |
09:03.25 | Sho_ | Jucato_: The KDE3 environment services probably don't start up properly due to naming conflicts |
09:03.35 | Jucato_ | oh :) |
09:03.55 | Jucato_ | nvm... knowing that I could run Konvi is satisfaction enough :) |
09:08.48 | Jucato | time to take a quick nap :) |
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09:12.42 | pankey | gn |
09:13.04 | makuseru | when is KDE 4 suspose to be released? |
09:13.36 | pankey | heh |
09:13.39 | pankey | 2007 |
09:13.39 | pankey | :P |
09:13.50 | makuseru | ha |
09:13.51 | Renze | second half of this year |
09:14.13 | makuseru | really? |
09:14.20 | makuseru | past june? |
09:14.30 | Renze | there are no confirmed dates yet |
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09:14.37 | makuseru | i thought there were |
09:14.40 | pankey | cant rush greatness |
09:14.41 | pankey | imo |
09:15.29 | Renze | makuseru: http://developernew.kde.org/Schedules/KDE_4.0_Release_Schedule |
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09:19.47 | Sho_ | pankey: Especially when there's no manpower to be rushed ;) |
09:20.08 | icwiener | Sho_: Don't talk! Code! |
09:20.18 | Sho_ | yes, sir :( |
09:20.28 | icwiener | And smile! |
09:20.32 | icwiener | :D |
09:20.49 | pankey | lol |
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09:48.49 | Techdeck | Hey guys, is there some KDE tool like 'kdat' that handles DLT tapes? |
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10:06.43 | Jucato | icwiener: code *and* smile? is that even possible? :) |
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10:11.36 | icwiener | Jucato: For me it's actually code and moan but compile and smile. :D |
10:12.06 | obsethryl | hmm where can i find the default icon color palette for kde4 ? |
10:12.13 | Jucato | isn't that supposed to be code and moan, compile and groan, run and smile? :) |
10:12.52 | obsethryl | and happy new year everyone :) |
10:13.53 | icwiener | Jucato: No, I am always pretty happy while compile runs (only on own things where compiling max runs one minute or so). :) |
10:14.37 | makuseru | are there any links on how-to's for making bootsplashes or login screens? |
10:15.02 | Jucato | obsethryl: http://www.kde-artists.org/Oxygen-palette |
10:15.10 | obsethryl | Jucato: thanks |
10:15.55 | Jucato | makuseru: bootsplashes are out of the realm of KDE. KSPlash splash screens are (there's a tutorial in the KDE User Guide or the KSPlash manual). KDM Themes, I'm not so sure |
10:16.50 | makuseru | alright |
10:16.56 | makuseru | sorry for puttin it in the wrong channel |
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10:18.27 | Jucato | nah, it's the correct place to ask (aside for the bootsplash) |
10:18.47 | makuseru | oh ok |
10:18.54 | makuseru | KDM theme is the login right? |
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10:19.36 | Jucato | yep |
10:19.51 | makuseru | is there a howto on that? |
10:19.58 | icwiener | assuming KDE is used to login |
10:20.05 | icwiener | *KDM |
10:20.08 | Jucato | :) |
10:20.22 | makuseru | yes |
10:20.29 | Jucato | makuseru: try Google... haven't seen one yet |
10:20.33 | makuseru | ah |
10:20.37 | makuseru | kdm howto? |
10:20.47 | Jucato | KDM *theme* howto... |
10:21.06 | makuseru | will do |
10:21.21 | Jucato | it's possible not to use a theme for KDM, and you'll get a plain login box similar to MEPIS or PCLinuxOS |
10:22.39 | icwiener | Yay, Holiday Special in JPod about New Years greetings. :D |
10:22.47 | icwiener | ake mashite omedetou gosai masu :) |
10:24.17 | Jucato | Linux_Galore: finally got a pic of my "workplace" and some of the books I was able to buy for a nice deal :) |
10:24.21 | Jucato | http://jucato.org/gallery/v/photos/room/ |
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10:24.42 | Jucato | still want to buy a Qt book... dunno how I'll ask my folks... |
10:27.08 | WindowsUninstall | Anyone know where Can I find good QtDBUS documentation? |
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10:28.54 | jackle | anyone here that is in #suse also? |
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10:30.43 | Jucato | tsk tsk... /away messages :P |
10:31.16 | WindowsUninstall | Hi sredna |
10:31.20 | WindowsUninstall | sredna, Happy new year |
10:31.27 | sredna | HELP |
10:31.34 | WindowsUninstall | sredna, ? |
10:31.34 | sredna | I'm using designer :( |
10:32.02 | WindowsUninstall | sredna, Do you like designer? |
10:32.07 | sredna | It maximized my form, and after I unmaximized it, I can't get a hold on the handle to move it |
10:32.12 | sredna | I hate designer |
10:32.25 | WindowsUninstall | sredna, :D |
10:32.33 | sredna | It's making me feel insecure, for MANY reasons |
10:32.43 | sredna | I think designer SUCKS |
10:32.46 | WindowsUninstall | sredna, I don't use too desinger :) |
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10:33.20 | sredna | DAMNED |
10:33.23 | WindowsUninstall | sredna, My apps UIs are designed by code written by hand :) |
10:33.29 | icwiener | Women can also let one feel inscure... doesn't mean, they suck. |
10:33.39 | WindowsUninstall | icwiener, lol |
10:33.42 | sredna | icwiener: Well, i don't eiter |
10:33.44 | Jucato | :P |
10:33.45 | sredna | Either |
10:33.51 | sredna | designer sucks |
10:33.55 | WindowsUninstall | lol |
10:33.56 | icwiener | Well, not THAT suck. ;) |
10:34.14 | sredna | For example, now I can't move my widget in the work area because it stole the handle |
10:34.23 | icwiener | sredna: Oh, you are a woman? In that case, I meant men. :) |
10:34.29 | Jucato | is there any other alternative to QtDesigner? something like KDesigner? :( |
10:34.45 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
10:34.51 | Jucato | lol |
10:35.08 | WindowsUninstall | Jucato, Yes |
10:35.17 | icwiener | Ups, no one. ;) |
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10:35.24 | sredna | Jucato: Kdevelop has one, but I believe it's just designer that is reused |
10:35.26 | WindowsUninstall | Jucato, I seen something like it |
10:35.33 | Jucato | ah |
10:35.44 | sredna | And there is something in the kexi project, I tried it some while ago |
10:35.48 | WindowsUninstall | but is based on the Qt designer |
10:35.51 | sredna | But I don't know if I have it |
10:36.23 | sredna | DAMNED |
10:36.32 | WindowsUninstall | sredna, I'm hating DBUS, I can't find documentation |
10:36.35 | sredna | Even after restarting the crab it's broken |
10:36.50 | sredna | I don't deal with dbus so far |
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10:37.02 | WindowsUninstall | I found only this: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/intro-to-dbus.html |
10:37.13 | sredna | I'm writing an app in KDE 3, because I need to use it |
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10:37.43 | Jucato | ah KDevelop Designer |
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10:38.09 | sredna | Now I got the handle back, but designer is buggy in addition to it's unniceness |
10:38.13 | Jucato | heh looks *a lot* like QtDesigner... so must be using it... (even the background...) |
10:38.23 | sredna | It is designer |
10:38.30 | Jucato | heheh :) |
10:38.40 | sredna | Recently it became possible to link to the designer library |
10:38.46 | icwiener | Jucato: I heard, that they use the qt designer in KDevelop because kdevelop designer didn't work very well. |
10:38.55 | Jucato | oh |
10:39.06 | sredna | It didn't |
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10:42.46 | sredna | Designer isn't working very bad, it's just annoying to use |
10:43.37 | sredna | I use it for learning and because it's considered good taste in kde development |
10:44.16 | icwiener | Is it? |
10:44.27 | sredna | Happy newyears all btw :) |
10:44.51 | icwiener | Jucato: YOur turn. :P |
10:45.10 | sredna | icwiener: Yes, because it makes it easy for other project members to work on forms, and makes it possible for usability people to experiment |
10:45.22 | icwiener | sredna: Well, happy new year either. :) |
10:45.43 | Jucato | icwiener: like I said, I'm not going to |
10:45.56 | icwiener | sredna: Yes. I was just wondering, if there was a discussion over that on some ML. |
10:46.01 | icwiener | Jucato: ;) |
10:46.25 | Jucato | icwiener: and it's all because of you |
10:47.11 | sredna | icwiener: I'm not sure there was some big discussion |
10:48.25 | WindowsUninstall | sredna, Ah. I've some question/some thing to tell to you about syntax files |
10:48.40 | icwiener | Well, the year is not even 12h old and I gor an /ignore and got so. not wishing other peolpe a happy new yesr. I hope it's getting better the next few hundred hours. :) |
10:48.45 | sredna | WindowsUninstall: Shoot :) |
10:49.26 | sredna | Sigh |
10:49.42 | WindowsUninstall | 1) I don't use anymore the mail address in my monobasic syntax file |
10:49.47 | sredna | Since I'm not feeling particularly wellcome here, speak in #kate, WindowsUninstall |
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10:50.03 | Jucato | :O |
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10:52.06 | Jucato | ... |
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10:54.55 | TheGateKeeper | any inspired guesses of what I need to install to get the Qt documentation in KDevelop, got everything else but that (I am using gentoo)? |
10:55.56 | Jucato | hm... |
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10:57.49 | icwiener | Maybe it's not the best idea to make a girl joke with ambiguous wording in attendance of a girl even if it's accidental (in two ways). |
10:58.27 | Jucato | hm... Anders Lund? |
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10:59.27 | Jucato | icwiener: http://kate-editor.org/people/anders_lund |
10:59.28 | icwiener | Hmm? |
10:59.37 | Jucato | :P |
10:59.51 | icwiener | lool, definitely lost in translation. ;) |
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11:00.34 | Techdeck | Hey guys, is there some KDE tool like 'kdat' that handles DLT tapes? |
11:03.46 | Jucato | TheGateKeeper: hm... which doc in KDevelop? |
11:04.56 | TheGateKeeper | Jucato, the Qt documentation |
11:06.05 | Jucato | TheGateKeeper: hm... don't you have anything like a qt3-doc package/ebuild/something in Gentoo? |
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11:06.09 | Techdeck | :S |
11:06.24 | Techdeck | Is there a normal GUI application that handles DLT tapes? |
11:06.26 | Techdeck | ANYONE? |
11:06.49 | Belegdol | why don't you search freshmeat? |
11:06.53 | Belegdol | I always do se when looking for apps |
11:06.57 | Belegdol | s/se/so |
11:07.09 | TheGateKeeper | Jucato, let me have a look, stupid thing is everything else is there including GTK |
11:07.39 | Jucato | the Qt Reference Documentation, Qt Designer Manual, Qt Assistant Manual seems to be taken locally from that, at least on Kubuntu. other docs seem to be fetched from online sites |
11:07.42 | Techdeck | Belegdol: 0 projects found |
11:07.42 | Techdeck | No matches. |
11:07.57 | icwiener | TheGateKeeper: Doesn't your KDevelop get the docs from the web? |
11:07.59 | Belegdol | unlucky... |
11:08.08 | Techdeck | if kdat supported DLT it would be nice |
11:08.09 | Techdeck | but noo :p |
11:09.07 | TheGateKeeper | icwiener, well if it does there are no links for the Qt stuff |
11:09.38 | TheGateKeeper | dev-libs/dbus-qt3-old <--- is all it returns for 'qt3' |
11:09.40 | Jucato | icwiener: some are taken locally |
11:09.53 | Jucato | TheGateKeeper: maybe qt-doc? |
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11:10.31 | TheGateKeeper | Jucato, nope :-( nice try grrrr |
11:10.39 | Jucato | hooray for different "package" names across different distros! :) |
11:11.29 | Jucato | and hooray for lagging connections!!! |
11:12.16 | TheGateKeeper | ohh well we have family coming round so I will have to look into this another time |
11:12.32 | TheGateKeeper | thanx Jucato for your inspired guesses |
11:12.47 | icwiener | TheGateKeeper: Try http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=qt+doc (a pity that the descriptions in Gentoo are so rare |
11:13.13 | Jucato | hm... dev-util? kdoc? |
11:13.49 | TheGateKeeper | yes I have looked in dev-util but can't see a likely candidate |
11:14.26 | TheGateKeeper | thanx Jucato & icwiener for trying :-) |
11:15.04 | TheGateKeeper | a bit wierd that ALL the other documentation is there except Qt |
11:15.52 | TheGateKeeper | I have it on my kubutu install, so will have to use that until I can resolve the issue |
11:16.02 | TheGateKeeper | thanx guys, got to go |
11:16.11 | icwiener | cu |
11:16.25 | Jucato | http://www.gentoo-portage.com/dev-util/kdoc |
11:17.35 | icwiener | "KDOC extracts specially formatted documentation and information about your classes from the class' header or IDL files, and generates cross-referenced HTML, LaTeX or Man pages from it." |
11:17.37 | Jucato | maybe you have to generate the docs yourself? |
11:17.38 | TheGateKeeper | kdoc-2.0_alpha54 hmmm |
11:17.57 | computer | i installed kbfx for start button and used its background for panel bar, is there anyway to make the panel bar transparent while also keeping the kbfx background? (or i guess in other words make the kbfx background also transparent) |
11:18.15 | TheGateKeeper | Jucato, ok thanx :-) |
11:18.35 | TheGateKeeper | Jucato, nice one :-) |
11:18.43 | computer | or i guess my question is, can i have a user defined background for panel bar that is also turned transparent :) |
11:19.15 | Jucato | TheGateKeeper: is that it? |
11:19.56 | TheGateKeeper | Jucato, not sure, like I said got family coming round so will have to take a look latter |
11:20.08 | Jucato | oh ok. good luck then! :) |
11:20.19 | Jucato | too bad the Gentoo experts seem to be unround |
11:20.21 | TheGateKeeper | Jucato, thanx anyway, will let you know when I have more time |
11:20.50 | TheGateKeeper | Jucato, thanx for your help |
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11:33.34 | shinobi2 | hi people |
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11:34.54 | shinobi2 | Jucato: hey you are not supposed to notices my presences |
11:35.40 | Jucato | you're not supposed to announce it either ;) |
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11:37.42 | Jucato | dinner time :) |
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11:48.27 | eilker | i have problem with kget, when i reboot pc , it resumes download without any problem, my internet connection is bad, i oftenly disconnect from internet and re-connects automatically, and kget doesnt resume, i need to press "go on" everytime..when i am not awake, i cant download because of this problem...any help pls ? |
11:52.16 | eilker | or do i have chance to use any other program similar to kget ? |
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12:18.35 | _ataxic | eilker: wget? |
12:20.15 | eilker | ataxic: someone told me "d4x" downloading it now |
12:20.27 | ataxic | ow right |
12:20.38 | ataxic | i always use wget nothing else |
12:20.38 | eilker | thanx |
12:20.53 | eilker | ataxic: i have big downloads... |
12:20.54 | ataxic | downloader for X ? |
12:20.57 | ataxic | so |
12:21.08 | ataxic | i download big things with wget |
12:21.24 | ataxic | which you can resume |
12:21.44 | eilker | and wget is cli , i am not sure if it supports resume automatically,? |
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12:21.53 | eilker | and 4-5 downloads at the moment ? |
12:23.11 | ataxic | well it has -c |
12:23.14 | icwiener | wget has to be run with -c to resume if possible. |
12:23.15 | ataxic | that resumes |
12:23.36 | eilker | thanx friends |
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12:24.39 | Jucato | hm... icwiener, you seem to be online longer than usual.. |
12:25.06 | icwiener | longer? It's about high noon here. :) |
12:25.22 | Jucato | :) |
12:25.53 | Jucato | wow |
12:26.01 | icwiener | It's really easy. |
12:26.10 | Jucato | wow |
12:26.11 | Jucato | :) |
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12:26.38 | icwiener | I hate myself for typing long g++ calls the last weeks. :) |
12:27.07 | Jucato | what are aliases for? :P |
12:27.23 | Kasyx | :-D |
12:27.55 | icwiener | Jucato: I had to compile several files at a time. So I had to type the filenames (with tab completion though) :) |
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12:29.23 | icwiener | I had a little shall script to avoid typing th "-o" once. Then I forgot about the "-o" thing, typed the command for my project and one of my source files was deleted (overwritten with the binary). Since then I rather type more. :) |
12:29.30 | icwiener | *shell |
12:29.50 | Jucato | the things that a traumatic experience can do to you,eh? |
12:30.05 | icwiener | yeah |
12:30.07 | Jucato | like fluorescent bulbs exploding... |
12:30.17 | icwiener | hhe |
12:30.18 | icwiener | hehe |
12:30.40 | icwiener | What btw is a fluorescent bulb *googles* |
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12:31.03 | icwiener | Ah! |
12:31.29 | Jucato | we still use those things here... well, mostly... :) |
12:33.30 | icwiener | Jucato: We had a supermarket across the street where I grew up. My brother and I always played over there. We found "those tubes" over there and played with them too. Suddenly one of then "puffed" because it hit the ground. We were very scared back then. :) |
12:33.50 | Jucato | icwiener: then you definitely know how it feels like :) |
12:33.51 | icwiener | Jucato: But my traume just went by, some day. |
12:33.59 | Jucato | mine was accompanied by a spart |
12:34.04 | Jucato | spark* |
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12:34.57 | icwiener | Jucato: Become a electrician. It helps getting over those things. :) |
12:35.27 | Jucato | heh! I've already too much in my mind right now... I don't have the luxury of studying that, too |
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12:40.42 | Jucato | is tellico the only KDE collection manager available? or is there something else? |
12:41.08 | thiago | juk and amarok can handle music collections too |
12:41.33 | Kasyx | amarok is nice. |
12:41.44 | Jucato | thiago: how about general collections? I'm more interested in books, CD's, vidoes, etc. |
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12:43.33 | Jucato | hm... looks like it's svn is hosted at novell. interesting :) |
12:44.10 | Kasyx | svn makes my brain hurt. :-( The svn kopete doesn't work for me *sob* And I need it to do yahoo webcam! |
12:44.26 | thiago | Kasyx: it works here |
12:44.54 | Kasyx | I changed the ebuild to point to the new locaton, but I get http://rafb.net/p/94i9MN56.html as an error |
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12:45.36 | Jucato | Kasyx: from trunk or branch? I think trunk contains the version that uses Qt 4? |
12:45.41 | Kasyx | branch |
12:45.48 | Kasyx | I don't know too much about this svn thing |
12:46.04 | Kasyx | Usually if it's in portage I'm happy. |
12:47.08 | thiago | Kasyx: don't use ebuild. Just build directly. |
12:47.32 | Kasyx | thiago: I have no idea how to do that, or how to subsequently get rid of it. Portage does packages management too, see |
12:47.49 | thiago | install it somewhere where nothing else is installed |
12:47.49 | Kasyx | Is this http://kopete.kde.org/svnaccess.php the thing? |
12:47.58 | thiago | therefore, to remove it, it's a simple rm -rf |
12:48.11 | Kasyx | Ah ok. What about linking to dependancies and things? |
12:48.21 | thiago | yes, that's the thing |
12:48.27 | icwiener | Kasyx: Your second option is to go to #gentoo and ask if the ebuild has to be customised. |
12:48.28 | thiago | Kasyx: you're supposed to install the dependencies |
12:48.51 | Kasyx | Yeah, I have done, but don't I have to link to them? |
12:49.03 | Jucato | yep. installing/uninstalling from SVN or source is quite easy if you remember to install it in some other directory... |
12:49.05 | Kasyx | icwiener: hmm, true. |
12:49.05 | thiago | Kasyx: you can't build a program without linking to its dependencies |
12:49.32 | Kasyx | Ok |
12:49.45 | Jucato | Kasyx: if you have the dependencies already installed, you'll be able to ./configure properly. it will complain if dependencies aren't met |
12:50.02 | Kasyx | Ok. I do it as root, I imagine? |
12:50.07 | thiago | no |
12:50.09 | thiago | as a user |
12:50.15 | Kasyx | Oh, ok |
12:50.25 | Jucato | Kasyx: no. specially if you're not going to install it in /usr |
12:50.37 | Kasyx | I can see this going horribly wrong >.< I haven't manually installed anything in 5 years |
12:50.44 | Kasyx | That's why I picked gentoo heh |
12:50.49 | thiago | which is why you should do it as a user |
12:50.54 | Jucato | Kasyx: most of the time, compiled programs are installed in some other place other than /usr |
12:51.03 | thiago | you can't fsck up your system if you're not root |
12:51.09 | Kasyx | Ah, ok |
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12:51.28 | Kasyx | What about the files and stuff? How do I prepare for the installation? |
12:51.38 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
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12:52.05 | thiago | prepare what? |
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12:52.30 | Kasyx | thiago: well, what files do I need to collect and where do I put them |
12:52.30 | Jucato | or was that builddir != installdir?? |
12:52.42 | RLa | hey, how do recursively sort ALL bookmarks, atm i can only select one top-level folder and recursively sort it, kde version is 3.4.2 |
12:52.50 | thiago | Kasyx: aside from "make install"? |
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12:53.04 | Jucato | Kasyx: you don't need to collect any files. just install the dependencies before hand, then run those svn commands |
12:53.13 | Kasyx | thiago: yes, everything. Like I said, I haven't manually installed in ages, and even then only once |
12:53.27 | Kasyx | Run them from a user account, in /home? |
12:53.35 | thiago | Kasyx: all you need is "make install" |
12:53.37 | Jucato | Kasyx: basically, the svn co (checkout) will download the the source file from the KDE SVN repository in to the current directory |
12:53.47 | thiago | make sure you ran ./configure with --prefix=$HOME/kopete |
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12:54.05 | Jucato | or wherever you want kopete to be installed |
12:54.08 | Kasyx | ok |
12:54.35 | thiago | right, but it has to be somewhere inside $HOME |
12:54.47 | thiago | or somewhere where your user has the right to write |
12:55.48 | Kasyx | Jucato: what's that? |
12:56.05 | thiago | it means the source code is in a directory |
12:56.15 | thiago | the built uninstalled code is in another |
12:56.20 | thiago | and the installation goes into a third one |
12:56.38 | Jucato | there, he said it more beautifully than me :) |
12:56.42 | thiago | ~/src/kde3, ~/obj/kde3 and /usr/local/kde3 |
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12:56.56 | thiago | ~/src/kde4, ~/obj/kde4, ~/KDE4 |
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12:57.13 | Jucato | I download the source file in one directory, perform the configure/make/make install in another, use the --prefix option to install all files (bin, share, etc), in another directory |
12:57.29 | Kasyx | Ah right. Sounds logical, but complicated. |
12:57.43 | Kasyx | And this is only till they fix the bug in the non-svn version |
12:57.45 | thiago | Kasyx: it's in fact easier once you get used to it |
12:57.49 | Jucato | Kasyx: actually it makes the installation cleaner and easier to manage... without portage :P |
12:58.02 | Kasyx | I just hope they fixed the formatting toolbar bug in this one too |
12:58.24 | Jucato | you need to update the source packages? just update the sourcedir. you need to rebuild from scratch, just delete the builddir... |
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12:59.19 | icwiener | Kasyx: Since the formatting toolbar bug is ther for about three month, I guess it's not that easy to fix. |
12:59.36 | Kasyx | icwiener: there is a patch for it already |
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12:59.49 | icwiener | Kasyx: Oh, good to hear. |
13:00.00 | Kasyx | icwiener: yeah, so I'm hoping it's been included in this |
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13:03.19 | Justinl | woof woof |
13:04.21 | Jucato | Kasyx: you can check if the patch has been uploaded to svn. usually the bug report/comment mentions something. it'll save you some hairs if you check first before going through the hassles of building |
13:04.31 | Jucato | (but being a Gentoo user, I'm sure you're already used to that :P |
13:04.40 | Kasyx | used to what? |
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13:05.15 | Jucato | building (or pulling your hair over building) |
13:05.33 | Kasyx | Why? It does it all for me :-D |
13:05.42 | Jucato | :) |
13:05.47 | Jucato | spoiled :) |
13:06.52 | icwiener | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127176 Seems not to be closed. |
13:07.20 | icwiener | (I guess they would close that one when the patch is comitted) |
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13:08.33 | Jucato | no indication of a patch either... Kasyx, maybe you have another bug report link? |
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13:08.42 | benJIman | There is a patch on the mailing list |
13:08.55 | benJIman | The patch was from before the 0.12 release, it was never committed |
13:08.58 | Kasyx | THat's the one |
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13:09.44 | Jucato | oh that's the problem then... if it's not committed, it's not in svn afaik |
13:10.05 | Kasyx | ok,so is there anyway to apply the patch before I build the svn? |
13:10.15 | Jucato | Kasyx: but you can download the svn version, apply that patch, and build that patched kopete |
13:10.17 | thiago | yes, of course |
13:10.28 | thiago | provided the patch still applies |
13:10.42 | Kasyx | Ok, Now I can do patches with ebuilds, but I don't know how to do them from a file |
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13:11.30 | Jucato | Kasyx: hm... maybe you can ask in #gentoo. I'm sure they have a way to apply patches without having to compile from source/svn |
13:11.48 | Kasyx | But I'm not doing it the gentoo way |
13:11.55 | icwiener | copy the patch to the kopete dir, go to the dir and type "patch -p0 <patch.diff" |
13:12.07 | Kasyx | That it? |
13:12.24 | Jucato | icwiener: in Gentoo? |
13:12.30 | icwiener | Yes. If it doesn't work with the newest svn, it will fail, though |
13:12.34 | Kasyx | Jucato: that's all the ebuild does |
13:12.39 | icwiener | Jucato: It's not the gentoo way. |
13:12.54 | Jucato | also provided the patch was meant to be applied in the parent/main kopete dir, right? |
13:13.02 | Kasyx | Do I do this before make -f Makefile.cvs? |
13:13.08 | Justinl | does anyone know of an electronics calculator package for KDE ? |
13:13.16 | Kasyx | kcalc |
13:13.26 | Justinl | Ie One to calculate ballast resistors for leds etc .. |
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13:13.29 | icwiener | Jucato: Well, that's a thing I am not really sure about. Here it always worked so far. ;) |
13:13.55 | Jucato | I think the patch file mentions where the patch command should be applied |
13:14.05 | Kasyx | Ok, so I've got the patch, I put that in the same folder as everything else? |
13:15.01 | icwiener | Jucato: Do you have any non-KDE application in mind? I would like to see something like that (and do not know it for KDE). |
13:15.16 | Jucato | icwiener: huh? |
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13:15.35 | icwiener | Jucato: sorry. ;) Justinl was meant. :) |
13:15.45 | Jucato | heh you had me worried |
13:16.52 | icwiener | Justinl: Do you? |
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13:17.29 | adamt | Why does KDE host the ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US flashmovie? :-) |
13:17.38 | adamt | http://static.kdenews.org/mirrors/malte.homeip.net/base.swf |
13:18.01 | thiago | it must've been used in a dot story, I think |
13:18.18 | Jucato | icwiener: you mean you don't know one? shame on you! :P |
13:18.31 | thiago | adamt: is that a problem? |
13:18.37 | adamt | thiago: Not at all |
13:18.58 | thiago | I have no idea why we're mirroring Malte's webserver, though... |
13:19.05 | adamt | Except for the obvious "we support non-free software statement" it makes. :-) |
13:19.17 | icwiener | Jucato: ? |
13:19.25 | thiago | because it's flash? |
13:19.32 | Justinl | Ic :) sorry I was looking for a file .. |
13:19.35 | adamt | Yup. |
13:19.45 | Justinl | There was a really good package for dos that I used to use .. |
13:19.49 | Jucato | icwiener: an electronics caclulator... bah nvm... |
13:19.56 | thiago | adamt: yeah... |
13:20.02 | Justinl | and somebody showed me a windows app once .. |
13:20.04 | thiago | adamt: I hope it's not used in a dot story |
13:20.09 | thiago | adamt: can you tell us how you found out about it? |
13:20.11 | Justinl | but because I didn't need it right then .. |
13:20.12 | icwiener | Jucato: You mean, because I learned that stuff? :) |
13:20.17 | Justinl | I forgot all about it .. |
13:20.21 | Jucato | icwiener: yes :P |
13:20.28 | adamt | thiago: Yes, the wiki-site linked to the kdemirror of the movie. |
13:20.38 | thiago | which wiki-site? |
13:20.41 | thiago | wiki.kde.org? |
13:20.44 | adamt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us - third link from the bottum. |
13:20.45 | icwiener | Jucato: I have a formula collection and a normal calculator. ;) |
13:20.46 | adamt | *bottom. |
13:21.05 | icwiener | Justinl: Sound's a bit interesting though... |
13:22.08 | icwiener | -' |
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13:23.49 | Justinl | It's kinda usefull if you can use a windows type interface .. and change the various values without having to reinput all the data .. |
13:24.22 | thiago | adamt: I'm bringing it to the attention of the dot editors |
13:24.27 | icwiener | Justinl: Was there a graph drawn for that as well? |
13:24.29 | thiago | adamt: thanks for noticing it |
13:24.38 | icwiener | Justinl: Or only resulting values? |
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13:25.16 | Justinl | not in any package I've seen .. |
13:25.21 | Justinl | but it's a good idea .. |
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13:26.07 | Justinl | My brain has gone off on a whole journey of possibilities .. |
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13:26.20 | icwiener | hehe |
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13:26.43 | Justinl | I've got (as most people have) a digital multimeter that will output the data as an rs232 stream /./ |
13:27.20 | icwiener | Well, mine doesn't have that cool features. ;) |
13:27.34 | Justinl | I remember something very similar 20 years ago when I worked in an electronics factory .. |
13:27.49 | Justinl | But now we could make it opensource .. |
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13:29.26 | icwiener | Justinl: I bet there are several programmes that do that. It sounds like a nice "first project" for a college student in a faculty like that. |
13:29.39 | Justinl | Too right .. |
13:29.42 | adamt | thiago: Okay. |
13:30.11 | adamt | bu-bye again. |
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13:30.21 | Justinl | I did do something with the Multimeter and logged the data from the temperature sensor on a Morris Minor |
13:31.01 | Justinl | I put into XL (Is mentioning MS products Swearing in here) and made a graph oif it .. |
13:32.37 | icwiener | For that, kspread or OpenOffice Calc would work. |
13:33.01 | Justinl | Indeed .. |
13:33.16 | icwiener | Ah! Now I got the XL thing. :) |
13:33.41 | Kasyx | Hahaha |
13:33.48 | Kasyx | Haven't see that in ages |
13:33.58 | Justinl | seen what ? |
13:34.02 | Kasyx | All Your Base |
13:34.19 | Kasyx | Sorry, that's why I went quite :-P |
13:34.23 | Justinl | my life that reminds me of the FC messageboard .. |
13:34.24 | Kasyx | Bit more fun that trying to patch this |
13:34.29 | Justinl | about five years ago .. |
13:35.10 | icwiener | Kasyx: Did the patch work? |
13:36.04 | Kasyx | icwiener: no idea ;-) Just going to start now. I'm not sure which folder to put it in |
13:36.07 | Kasyx | Ah, chatview.cpp |
13:36.45 | icwiener | Justinl: If you find any of those apps you used to use, please leave me a short note (link). I would like to have a look at it. :) |
13:36.56 | Justinl | I just found this as it happens .. |
13:36.57 | icwiener | google didn't get me some. |
13:36.59 | Justinl | http://www.csgnetwork.com/electronicsconverters.html |
13:37.03 | icwiener | hehe |
13:37.21 | Kasyx | Right, so I move the patch file into the same folder as the file it patches, then do that patch command? |
13:37.44 | icwiener | Kasyx: Does it only patch one file? |
13:38.31 | Kasyx | No, but the two files are both in the same directory |
13:38.50 | icwiener | try "patch -p0 <patchfile" then |
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13:40.35 | icwiener | Justinl: You know ktechlab? Maybe values can be calculated there too. :) |
13:40.39 | Kasyx | Woot |
13:40.43 | Kasyx | Had to manually tell it the files |
13:40.52 | Kasyx | Cause there were folders it wanted |
13:40.54 | Kasyx | okie |
13:40.54 | thiago | that means it wasn't -p0 |
13:41.06 | Kasyx | Nah, it was looking for old/filename |
13:41.13 | Kasyx | So I just fed it filename |
13:41.41 | Justinl | <PROTECTED> |
13:42.06 | Kasyx | So now just continue with make -f Makefile.cvs |
13:42.07 | Kasyx | ? |
13:42.32 | icwiener | thiago: The -p says, how many steps patch shall go down the FS hierarchy before applying the patch? |
13:42.47 | icwiener | Kasyx: Yes. |
13:42.49 | thiago | icwiener: how many directories to remove from the patch's filenames |
13:42.52 | thiago | -p0 = remove none |
13:43.02 | thiago | -p0 and -p1 are the most common ones |
13:43.03 | icwiener | thiago: Ah, same effect. :) |
13:43.06 | Kasyx | thiago: ah, I see |
13:43.17 | Kasyx | I have a few copies of kopete though, that wouldn't have been a goodt hing :-D |
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13:46.10 | Kasyx | Right, this line "./configure --enable-debug" what do I need to change it to, to put it in /home/kasyx/kopete ? |
13:46.23 | Jucato | -p0 means that you're applying the patch exactly were the patch was made? |
13:46.25 | Kasyx | ./configure --enable-debug --prefix=/home/kasyx/kopete ? |
13:46.51 | oGALAXYo | Kasyx: that wont work |
13:46.58 | icwiener | Is --enable-debug and --enable-debug=full the same thing? |
13:47.04 | thiago | Jucato: -p0 means the files locally are named the exactly the same thing |
13:47.05 | thiago | icwiener: no |
13:47.09 | icwiener | I always use the latter. |
13:47.13 | thiago | --enable-debug is equivalent to --enable-debug=yes |
13:47.45 | Jucato | aah |
13:47.50 | Jucato | hm.. brb... :) |
13:47.51 | oGALAXYo | Kasyx: the problem with that line is that you compile kopete into your own homedir.. if your base kde is in /usr for example then all plugins, libs, maybe icons, desktop files, kioslaves etc wont be recognized by the kde that resides in /usr. |
13:48.28 | Kasyx | Oh. Cause they were saying that would be ok to do *confused* |
13:48.41 | oGALAXYo | who said that ? |
13:48.54 | Kasyx | Maybe I picked it up wrong |
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13:49.26 | Kasyx | This is only temporary until there is a version in portage that has both bug fixes :-) |
13:49.35 | Kasyx | So I want it to be easy to remove |
13:49.38 | oGALAXYo | it doesnt work even properly.. |
13:49.43 | oGALAXYo | err temporarely.. |
13:49.58 | oGALAXYo | you need to install kopete into the correct prefix of kde. |
13:50.43 | Kasyx | ok |
13:50.45 | oGALAXYo | ive even seen people who used own prefixes.. e.g. /opt/kde/kopete /opt/kde/konversation in hope that they can simply delete that dir and the programm is gone.. thats the biggest bullshit ive ever seen.. needless to say that the stuff wont even work properly. |
13:51.16 | JamesB192 | If you have root on that Gentoo box, you might want to consider rolling your own ebuild (in an overlay) and submitting it as an enhancement. nah. |
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13:51.26 | oGALAXYo | since you need to register with dcop correctly. provide above said files etc.. its required for the base kde to find these files and these files exists in predefined directories.. |
13:52.20 | oGALAXYo | if you use own prefixes or different paths for certain compiled files then be sure that KDE will not find these things.. at least not without "a shitload of tweaking". |
13:52.21 | Kasyx | JamesB192: if I had a clue how to, I would. |
13:52.27 | Kasyx | The current svn ebuild doesn't work |
13:55.47 | JamesB192 | I think it might involve adding a couple lines to the ebuild that look vaugely like 'epatch /path/to/patch', but you might try asking in #gentoo-dev-help |
13:56.47 | Kasyx | JamesB192: nah, the original ebuild doesn't work. The svn path is wrong (which I fixed), it misses the format toolbar patch (which I added, go me!) but it fails later with this: http://rafb.net/p/94i9MN56.html |
13:56.53 | Kasyx | I might get it going later |
13:58.03 | thiago | Kasyx: which SVN path did you set it to? |
13:58.10 | Kasyx | oh gods, erm |
13:58.14 | Kasyx | the new one |
13:58.16 | Kasyx | branches |
13:58.22 | thiago | which one, exactly? |
13:58.32 | Kasyx | Gah hold on :-P |
13:58.38 | JamesB192 | It looks vaugely like its missing a Makefile |
13:58.49 | thiago | it's missing Makefile.cvs |
13:58.56 | thiago | which means Kasyx probably set it to the wrong path |
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13:59.32 | Kasyx | ESVN_REPO_URI="svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork/kopete/" |
13:59.40 | thiago | what was it before? |
14:00.01 | thiago | oh, doesn't matter |
14:00.06 | thiago | go one level up and it will work |
14:00.11 | thiago | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork |
14:00.14 | Kasyx | o.o |
14:00.16 | Kasyx | you're kidding |
14:00.20 | thiago | I'm not |
14:00.27 | Kasyx | Of course |
14:00.33 | thiago | KDE applications must be checked out from the module's top dir |
14:00.38 | Kasyx | cause you are in kdenetwork when doing it manually >.< |
14:00.42 | thiago | otherwise, they don't build |
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14:01.13 | thiago | if this ebuild is anywhere close to intelligent, it'll build only kopete |
14:01.14 | Jucato | svn co -N svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork |
14:01.21 | thiago | if it's intelligent enough, it'll download only kopete |
14:01.48 | Kasyx | Ok. |
14:01.53 | Kasyx | Well I'll give that a go |
14:02.02 | Kasyx | Ah, need to ad the patchfile first, that's easy enough |
14:02.05 | Jucato | if it's intelligent enough, it'll make me tea :) |
14:02.50 | Kasyx | oooh, tea. |
14:02.51 | Kasyx | brb |
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14:03.37 | Kasyx | Coke? |
14:03.40 | thiago | Jucato: kteatimer |
14:03.56 | Jucato | lol :) |
14:04.17 | thiago | best application ever |
14:04.29 | Kasyx | That took me months to figure out what it did |
14:04.33 | JamesB192 | No, diet Pepsi.l |
14:04.46 | Kasyx | Ooh, so brain _and_ tooth rot! |
14:04.52 | Kasyx | Bonus |
14:05.43 | thiago | have you ever tried putting mentos inside Diet Coke bottles? |
14:05.55 | Kasyx | BOOM? |
14:05.59 | Jucato | yeah!! |
14:06.11 | Jucato | well, actually in any carbonated drink :) |
14:06.25 | JamesB192 | Didn't they do that on Mythbusters a couple of times? |
14:06.33 | Jucato | but I actually like the taste that results from mixing mentos and coke :) |
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14:14.38 | Justinl | ktechlab looks very interesting .. |
14:14.47 | Justinl | I'm just installing it now .. |
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14:38.33 | Kasyx | Ok, written an ebuild for it. |
14:38.37 | Kasyx | Going to try it now |
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14:39.38 | Jucato | good luck |
14:40.27 | JamesB192 | May you have written excellent code. |
14:41.28 | Kasyx | Hmm, it doesn't like the patch I added. |
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14:42.31 | Kasyx | As I thought, it can't find the files |
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14:57.15 | mariux | does kmail have a bounce feature? |
14:58.45 | hagabaka | you could use the filter feature to let another program do it |
15:01.28 | illogic-al | JamesB192: developer.kde.org is about to be deprecated. Long live developernew.kde.org |
15:02.17 | illogic-al | http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Stable_Version |
15:03.43 | JamesB192 | FAQ item 4.16 refers to KDE2 which is I think no longer supported. |
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15:05.38 | Jucato | JamesB192: they'll probably go over those during the transition form d.k.o to dnew.k.o |
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15:06.01 | Jucato | you're also welcome to give your suggestions in #kde-www during fridays, which they have dubbed as Wiki Fridays |
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15:08.07 | _mariux | wouldn't it be possible to make a web UI for doing translations of kde, significantly lowering the bar of entry |
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15:10.09 | icwiener | Actually the bar of entry isn't that high. |
15:10.34 | icwiener | At least if there is a team already existng. |
15:11.42 | icwiener | Let them give you files to translate (or proofread), use kbabel to edit them and then send them back to the coordinator. |
15:12.01 | _mariux | ok |
15:12.27 | icwiener | The hardest part to learn is about how the "style" thing is handles by your team. |
15:12.38 | icwiener | *handled |
15:12.46 | _mariux | style? |
15:13.09 | icwiener | Wording. |
15:13.12 | _mariux | ahh i see |
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16:00.43 | is_null | hello everybody, why wouldn't adding KDEWM=fluxbox; export KDEWM before startkde in .xinitrc have any effect like not loading kwin please ? using startx to load xorg |
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16:31.20 | MrnotHere | Bonne année tout le monde ! |
16:31.38 | annma | English here please |
16:31.53 | annma | #kde-fr for French |
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16:33.29 | Mrnotproper | annma: sorry I did a /amsg ;) |
16:33.44 | Mrnotproper | I forgot that I was on a english channel |
16:33.52 | Mrnotproper | Happy new year ;) |
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17:14.20 | elvirolo | hi everyone |
17:15.17 | elvirolo | ark's "Extract ..." entries don't appear in Konqueror's action menu ... why is that (i use debian sid) ? |
17:15.56 | pinotree | elvirolo: you need to install the ark konqeror plugin that is in kdeaddons |
17:16.17 | elvirolo | pinotree: ok, thank you :) |
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17:31.21 | YippMn | does anyone know if a nice package for makeing cd and dvd labels and jewel case inserts? |
17:35.30 | [GALAXY] | YippMn: yes there is.. |
17:35.58 | YippMn | [GALAXY], oh joy and what mite it be? |
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17:36.04 | [GALAXY] | YippMn: either pscdcover, glabels, or kbarcode |
17:36.55 | YippMn | [GALAXY], and these can creat to insert for a jewel case also? |
17:37.12 | YippMn | damn i can't type today |
17:38.23 | [GALAXY] | yes |
17:38.31 | [GALAXY] | some of them |
17:39.06 | YippMn | [GALAXY], hmm ok thanks i'll go take a look |
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17:48.17 | YippMn | [GALAXY], hmm yeah none of thos are really what i'm looking for |
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17:51.07 | XVampireX | War of Galaxy |
17:52.00 | [GALAXY] | YippMn: well ok then... these are the best programs existing for linux.. if you need something else then you need to look elsewhere. |
17:52.40 | Theory | well, there are always pure graphics/vector apps |
17:52.46 | Theory | gimp/krita/inkscape |
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17:57.10 | XVampireX | YipMn: You're no yip man, and if you don't like what you see, look elsewhere (As [GALAXY] said) |
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18:12.19 | Q-collective | https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-528445.html |
18:12.33 | Q-collective | can anyone see a pound sterling symbol inthere in konq? |
18:12.52 | Q-collective | I can't see it in konq, but I can in opera... ? |
18:13.50 | Sho_ | Q-collective: I can see it just fine |
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18:14.56 | Q-collective | odd |
18:15.45 | kirun | I see it... What if you manually override the encoding to ISO 8859-1 ? |
18:16.31 | kirun | (View > Set Encoding > Manual) |
18:19.30 | Q-collective | kirun: ah, ty |
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18:46.36 | tribule | does anyone know how to get kpilot to sync with kontact and not erase my todo and calendar entries from the palm on every sync? |
18:48.49 | giorgos | hi |
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19:04.19 | Kasyx | KDE needs mouse gestures *nod* |
19:04.36 | pinotree | it has |
19:04.51 | pinotree | kde control center -> regional & accessibility -> input actions |
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19:05.19 | pinotree | define a new action of type gesture |
19:05.21 | pinotree | Kasyx: ^ |
19:05.24 | Kasyx | O.O |
19:05.25 | Kasyx | omg |
19:05.30 | Kasyx | I love kde even more now |
19:05.42 | Kasyx | Does it let me record a gesture? |
19:05.46 | workman161 | yes |
19:05.46 | pinotree | yup |
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19:07.56 | Aghaster | Anybody running KBFX on their KDE installation? |
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19:10.16 | Kasyx | How do I get it to tie into the wm? I want to set mouse gestures for changing desktops |
19:10.47 | Theory | Kasyx: dcop |
19:11.33 | Kasyx | Hmm? |
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19:13.02 | benJIman | dcop kwin KWinInterface (nextDesktop | previousDesktop | setCurrentDesktop <int>) |
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19:14.44 | Kasyx | And where do I put that? |
19:14.52 | Kasyx | Is that the 'specific window' ? |
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19:17.35 | benJIman | that is the command |
19:17.41 | benJIman | you can put that in the input actions if you want |
19:17.48 | benJIman | you want mouse gesture -> command |
19:18.23 | Kasyx | That option doesn't exist. |
19:19.44 | benJIman | sure it does |
19:21.25 | Kasyx | benJIman: I'm looking in the window right now, the option is not there. |
19:21.25 | benJIman | kcontrol -> regional & acessibility -> input actions -> new action -> triggers -> new -> gesture trigger; actions -> new -> command/url (or dcop call) |
19:21.42 | benJIman | it's not one of the preset ones, it's still an option |
19:22.37 | Kasyx | Right. |
19:22.47 | Kasyx | new action (then make sure it's generic) |
19:22.59 | Kasyx | I was looking at the gesture one on the drop down |
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19:24.22 | Kasyx | Ok, now I'm in the dcop screen, it says 'remote application', 'remote object', 'called function' and 'arguments'. What do I enter? |
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19:33.29 | g-henna | where is the place to change the font that (file manager, not browser) konqueror uses for file listings? |
19:34.05 | Justinl | evening all ... |
19:34.38 | pinotree | g-henna: kde control center -> kde components -> file manager |
19:34.48 | pinotree | evening Justinl |
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19:35.04 | g-henna | pinotree: ok, thank you; what i was looking for was in "appearance", not "fonts" |
19:35.15 | pinotree | np |
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19:38.26 | Justinl | Heres a question .. Is there a channel on freenode where people just talk totally off topic inane bollocks ? I need to go there .. I have a need .. |
19:38.44 | illogic-al | lol |
19:38.56 | illogic-al | #freenode-offtopic maybe ? |
19:39.17 | Justinl | You promise me inane bollocks ? |
19:39.20 | kirun | You might like #bs on mozilla IRC |
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19:41.09 | Justinl | Boy do i suck .. |
19:41.27 | Justinl | Pressed the wrong button and dissapeared into cyberspace .. |
19:42.09 | illogic-al | hahah |
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19:42.35 | PhilRod | illogic-al, did you see my comment to you in #kde-bugs the other day? |
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19:42.55 | illogic-al | PhilRod: yeah. talking to annma about it in kde-devel now actually |
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19:43.04 | PhilRod | oh, cool |
19:43.08 | illogic-al | PhilRod: you meant this saturday or the week after that? |
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19:43.10 | Justinl | join #debian |
19:43.19 | PhilRod | no, i don't want to |
19:43.30 | illogic-al | lol |
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19:44.26 | Justinl | Look you guys can all your own channel with the "Man we had this dude in tonight .. " HAD NO CLUE about IRC .. |
19:44.39 | Justinl | Thought he was useing a 1996 version of MIRC .. |
19:45.09 | Justinl | the Guy was CP/M it was SOOOO embaressing .. |
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19:46.44 | kirun | There's nothing wrong with CP/M ! |
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19:48.07 | Justinl | I didn't say there was ... |
19:48.41 | kirun | You appeared to use it as an insult |
19:48.47 | Justinl | I loved CP/M on a Link 380Z ... first computer I was ever allowed to touch .. |
19:49.23 | Justinl | Only against myself Kirun .. cos lets face it .. there is a world of difference between Linux and CP/M |
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19:51.45 | kirun | I think maybe some sense is being lost between the thoughts in your head here and what you end up mashing out on the keyboard. I suspect the consumption of certain substances has taken place. |
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19:52.39 | kakalto | when I go to configure clock, there's the option to sync to the internet automatically. How could I make this update every time I log in? |
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19:58.08 | Justinl | No Kirun .. It's pure stupidity on my part .. |
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20:01.42 | annma | kakalto: I am not sure this is a KDE option |
20:01.54 | annma | kakalto: I don't seem to have it in KDE |
20:02.12 | kakalto | annma: ah, ok. what version do you run? I'm on 3.5.5 |
20:02.28 | kakalto | =/ |
20:02.28 | annma | tell me where it is |
20:02.51 | kakalto | right-click clock, ---> adjust date & time |
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20:03.27 | kakalto | then there's a tickbox at the top with a dropdown box of which server to sync to |
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20:04.21 | logixoul | JohnFlux: i tried ksysguard4. awesome work! |
20:04.22 | annma | let me look, I have KDE in French |
20:04.34 | kirun | That could be distro-specific, for me the adjust date & time opens a YaST module |
20:04.37 | JohnFlux | logixoul: thanks :-) |
20:04.52 | annma | it is distro specific I think |
20:04.59 | JohnFlux | logixoul: suggestions are welcome! but don't bother telling me it crashes randomly - i know ;-D |
20:05.00 | annma | I have vanilla KDE and no synch |
20:05.07 | annma | kakalto: distro? |
20:05.33 | logixoul | JohnFlux: well, it takes 10% CPU of my AMD Sempron 2300+ - probably due to the svg/bezier curves you asked about on the mailing list |
20:06.05 | JohnFlux | logixoul: svg's take no cpu (they are cached as an image) |
20:06.06 | annma | ah found it |
20:06.19 | logixoul | JohnFlux: yes, right |
20:06.31 | JohnFlux | logixoul: if you are in process list view, then the bezier curves also take no cpu (since they aren't drawn) |
20:06.37 | kakalto | don't worry, I found another way around it, got ntp working =) |
20:06.51 | logixoul | JohnFlux: hmm, yes |
20:06.56 | JohnFlux | logixoul: i'm not entirely sure where the cpu usage goes - but profiling seems to indicate it's qt4 rather than anything that I can do |
20:07.06 | annma | the kde clock servers don't work for me |
20:07.40 | logixoul | JohnFlux: could it be the histogram bars in the CPU and Memory fields? |
20:07.41 | annma | if it worked it would synch at each logpn, kakalto |
20:07.53 | JohnFlux | logixoul: nah they are very fast |
20:08.02 | JohnFlux | logixoul: it's the qtreeview table thing |
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20:08.47 | JohnFlux | logixoul: also, I'm guessing you are using kde with debug on |
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20:08.59 | logixoul | JohnFlux: yep |
20:09.01 | JohnFlux | logixoul: which means that the qt libraries run unoptomised |
20:09.16 | logixoul | oh, okay. |
20:09.20 | JohnFlux | logixoul: it makes a big difference to speed and mem usage when compiled optomised |
20:09.24 | JohnFlux | logixoul: since lots of things become inline etc |
20:10.33 | logixoul | JohnFlux: aha. in the Signal Plotter Settings dialog the tabwidget doesn't have a border - I like that |
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20:13.27 | JohnFlux | logixoul: hmmm hadn't noticed |
20:13.27 | JohnFlux | logixoul: maybe a bug |
20:14.09 | logixoul | JohnFlux: well, it does look cleaner, but that's just me =) |
20:14.43 | JohnFlux | i never notice such things heh |
20:14.50 | JohnFlux | which is why i rely on user feedback ;-) |
20:15.01 | logixoul | :) |
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20:21.17 | Jell-O-Fishi | hey all. little question. how do i turn off alternate row highlighting ? |
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20:21.48 | logixoul | Jell-O-Fishi: set it to the same color as "Window Background" |
20:22.01 | logixoul | Jell-O-Fishi: you can do this in kcontrol->appearance->colors |
20:22.05 | Jell-O-Fishi | oh. it's a color schema thing. thanks. |
20:22.11 | logixoul | np |
20:22.16 | logixoul | why do you wanna do that? |
20:23.24 | Jell-O-Fishi | ahh.. much better. |
20:23.32 | Jell-O-Fishi | i find it annoying more than helpful |
20:23.42 | logixoul | heh, ok |
20:23.44 | Jell-O-Fishi | actually, maybe if i just set it to a lighter color that might be good |
20:24.27 | Jell-O-Fishi | yey. it was just set to an annoying color |
20:24.28 | Jell-O-Fishi | thanky. |
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20:59.56 | logixoul | JohnFlux: an idea about making it obvious lines are stacked on top of each other: use a separate top->bottom dark->light gradient for each one. this way the _base_ of the line will be clearly visible. konqueror's filesize view uses the same. |
21:00.22 | logixoul | JohnFlux: i can draw a mockup |
21:00.51 | JohnFlux | logixoul: hmm |
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21:08.40 | JohnFlux | logixoul: sorry, just watching a film |
21:08.48 | JohnFlux | logixoul: i like the idea |
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21:09.29 | JohnFlux | logixoul: but where the base is change every time |
21:09.38 | JohnFlux | logixoul: so i'm not sure how i can do that gradient wise |
21:10.37 | logixoul | hmm, how can the base get changed? |
21:11.09 | logixoul | (btw you watch now, we can talk later) |
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21:13.07 | bram85 | do debian packages disable arts by default? |
21:13.13 | bram85 | the kdelibs packages i mean |
21:13.42 | pinotree | bram85: no |
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21:15.56 | illogic-al | Can someone proofread this pleeeeeeeease: http://developernew.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/Konqueror_bug_weekend |
21:16.16 | bram85 | hmm.. ok.. something funny is going on with my father's kopete... the same symptoms as if arts was disabled at compile time |
21:18.16 | XVampireX | illogic-al: KDE should deprecate kxkb or fix the damn thing |
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21:19.01 | illogic-al | XVampireX: wut? |
21:19.52 | XVampireX | It's relying on KDE shortcuts |
21:20.25 | XVampireX | instead of the settings in kxkb options |
21:20.44 | illogic-al | XVampireX: I don't get why you're telling me though :-) |
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21:20.49 | logixoul | illogic-al: most text from there is also in the Bugsquad page, i'm cleaning it up |
21:20.50 | XVampireX | Cause it's a BUG |
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21:21.05 | coreymon77 | hi everyon |
21:21.07 | coreymon77 | e |
21:21.13 | logixoul | XVampireX: we are just bug triagers |
21:21.23 | logixoul | XVampireX: please file a bug |
21:21.25 | XVampireX | It has been mentioned many years now |
21:21.29 | coreymon77 | im using kde 355 with kubuntu edgy |
21:21.31 | XVampireX | The bug was filed already |
21:21.33 | XVampireX | never got fixed |
21:21.34 | AlexElliott | "The goal is to close old and now invalid bugs, identify confirmed bugs and mark as many duplicate bugs as possible" I think that reads a little better |
21:21.45 | logixoul | XVampireX: so fix it or stop complaining |
21:22.03 | logixoul | AlexElliott: i'll trim that anyway :) |
21:22.05 | XVampireX | Is that how you treat desktop users? :P |
21:22.08 | coreymon77 | why are jpgs no longer auto previewed in konqueror? |
21:22.14 | AlexElliott | Blast |
21:22.14 | illogic-al | logixoul: this is for a dot article i'm going to post. it links back to the bugsquad page |
21:22.15 | logixoul | XVampireX: yes. |
21:22.21 | XVampireX | Fine |
21:22.24 | XVampireX | Jerk >_< |
21:22.24 | logixoul | illogic-al: ooh |
21:22.32 | logixoul | XVampireX: lol |
21:22.54 | Renze | coreymon77: they are here... maybe yours are too large for your preview settings. check kcontrol -> kde components -> file manager, previews & metadata tab |
21:23.12 | Renze | coreymon77: the Maximum Size slider is what you want to look at |
21:23.39 | illogic-al | logixoul: sounds ok? |
21:23.51 | logixoul | illogic-al: wait, finishing up |
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21:24.39 | XVampireX | logixoul: I'm quite serious |
21:25.32 | qupada | illogic-al: now i finally got to that thing you're writing, i notice immediately that you spelled "categorise" incorrectly; with a z :P |
21:25.33 | XVampireX | it's not rise, it's rize |
21:25.33 | Renze | qupada: those silly americans ;) |
21:25.33 | thiago | not if he's not American |
21:25.37 | thiago | don't aussies also use esses? |
21:25.41 | XVampireX | Furthermore, rice |
21:25.47 | XVampireX | categorice |
21:25.58 | Renze | thiago: anyone that speaks british english uses esses |
21:26.22 | illogic-al | I speak british english just fine. I write in american. |
21:26.43 | thiago | Renze: right, but do Aussies speak like the British? |
21:26.45 | coreymon77 | Renze: but before i upgraded, these files worked without touching any settings |
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21:26.54 | logixoul | XVampireX: ok then, just what do you wanna achieve by telling illogic-al about that kbfx bug? |
21:26.56 | thiago | Renze: for non-natives, it's mostly a matter of choice |
21:26.57 | Renze | thiago: yes, they are still members of the commonwealth |
21:27.03 | XVampireX | kbfx? |
21:27.12 | logixoul | kxkb* |
21:27.12 | XVampireX | logixoul: kxkb, kde xkb |
21:27.14 | Renze | thiago: only Americans use zees |
21:27.21 | logixoul | XVampireX: right, kxkb, sorry |
21:27.23 | XVampireX | Dragon Ball Z |
21:27.26 | thiago | <PROTECTED> |
21:27.32 | thiago | <PROTECTED> |
21:27.34 | XVampireX | Hmm |
21:27.50 | Renze | thiago: way to mix english versions ;) |
21:27.50 | XVampireX | thiago: Yes, it's missing a u |
21:27.54 | XVampireX | yup |
21:27.55 | thiago | until someone ran a spellchecker with en_US and changed everything |
21:28.12 | illogic-al | ok. i'mma post my dot article. |
21:28.29 | logixoul | illogic-al: no, wait 1 minute more |
21:28.38 | illogic-al | lol :-) |
21:28.40 | AlexElliott | I just use colour, it's my code so I'll use my version of the word ;). But then I've not worked on anything that requires software engineering |
21:28.40 | illogic-al | logixoul: k |
21:29.23 | coreymon77 | Renze: and also, when i put these files into another format, (other than jpeg) they work |
21:29.25 | XVampireX | thiago: Who's responsible over kxkb and is it deprecated and is there any better way of working with different languages in KDE? |
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21:29.42 | XVampireX | Cause for example skim doesn't contain hebrew |
21:29.57 | Renze | coreymon77: does the conversion to another format include a reduction in file size? |
21:31.04 | thiago | XVampireX: Andriy Risin, I think |
21:31.07 | thiago | XVampireX: not deprecated |
21:31.08 | coreymon77 | Renze: the other format is bigger |
21:31.25 | logixoul | illogic-al: done :) |
21:31.26 | thiago | I don't think you need skim to write Hebrew |
21:31.32 | thiago | just choose the he keyboard layout |
21:31.39 | Renze | coreymon77: hmmm... maybe your distro has disabled jpg preview for some reason? |
21:31.41 | logixoul | illogic-al: no |
21:32.02 | logixoul | illogic-al: ok, now it's done :) |
21:32.36 | XVampireX | thiago: I don't need skim, I have hebrew in kxkb keyboard layout but kxkb is really fucked up |
21:32.56 | illogic-al | logixoul: Konqueror_bug_weekend page or it's parent ? |
21:33.00 | coreymon77 | Renze: i dunno, im using kubuntu edgy |
21:33.16 | illogic-al | logixoul: ah. i see the changes now :-) |
21:33.18 | Renze | coreymon77: they make a lot of changes to KDE |
21:33.41 | XVampireX | kubuntu edgy me too |
21:33.45 | thiago | XVampireX: what's wrong with kxkb? |
21:34.13 | XVampireX | thiago: It relies on kde global shortcuts instead of local shortcuts, so it's harder to set up sane shortcut to change groups |
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21:34.35 | thiago | XVampireX: what do you mean? The Ctrl+Alt+K thing? |
21:34.37 | coreymon77 | Renze: the only change i know of is making kde work without a real root account |
21:34.44 | XVampireX | thiago: Yes, very muchs o |
21:34.45 | XVampireX | so^ |
21:34.57 | Renze | coreymon77: and lots of menu changes |
21:35.06 | thiago | XVampireX: if your hebrew layout includes a Latin one too, ctrl+alt+k will still work |
21:35.08 | XVampireX | I managed to change it to alt+shift like in windows via a text file |
21:35.11 | Renze | coreymon77: and taking out anything that might have patent issues |
21:35.21 | thiago | you can't have modifier-only shortcuts in KDE |
21:35.23 | XVampireX | thiago: I don't want ctrl+alt+k, it's too long |
21:35.24 | thiago | not allowed |
21:35.25 | coreymon77 | patent issues? this is linux |
21:35.40 | Renze | coreymon77: yes, and mp3 is still owned by Fraunhofer IIS |
21:35.44 | XVampireX | thiago: Well, I managed to do alt+shift via |
21:36.21 | XVampireX | Uhm, forgot :O |
21:36.23 | thiago | XVampireX: you're on your own then. That's a global modifier-only shortcut. |
21:36.30 | thiago | you can completely mess up all Alt+Shift shortcuts |
21:36.37 | XVampireX | How? |
21:36.45 | XVampireX | And why can I do it in gnome and not in KDE? |
21:36.52 | XVampireX | That's something that may keep some people off kde |
21:37.03 | XVampireX | That's a pretty good shortcut |
21:37.09 | thiago | because KDE doesn't allow modifier-only shortcuts |
21:37.44 | thiago | we never have, aside from the Win key (which we also removed) |
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21:37.44 | thiago | it's a bad shortcut, because people keep hitting it by accident |
21:37.53 | thiago | my father (who is knowledgeable in computers) every now and then tells me "I lost all accents" |
21:38.17 | XVampireX | huh? |
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21:38.40 | thiago | he switches from us-intl to us on Windows by accident |
21:38.48 | XVampireX | Oh, ok |
21:38.51 | thiago | so the only noticeable effect is that accent keys don't work |
21:38.51 | logixoul | XVampireX: you might be looking for Keyboard Layout->xkb options->third level choosers->press left alt key to... |
21:39.08 | XVampireX | What's third level choosers? |
21:39.15 | thiago | now, this is so badly asked that it may be added for KDE 4 |
21:39.25 | logixoul | XVampireX: dunno, but it makes modifiers behave like non-modifiers |
21:39.26 | thiago | I have no idea if it really will |
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21:40.10 | logixoul | XVampireX: it may make the alt key unusable for anything else tho, i'm not sure |
21:40.25 | XVampireX | Ah, okey... |
21:40.51 | XVampireX | So you think it's a good thing? |
21:41.12 | XVampireX | That we can't use only modifier keys? |
21:41.15 | thiago | yes |
21:41.27 | thiago | because assigning a modifier-only key makes it not work for anything it would modify |
21:41.34 | logixoul | XVampireX: i for one don't think so |
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21:41.59 | thiago | at least in current KDE code |
21:42.00 | logixoul | thiago: well, consider this: |
21:42.08 | logixoul | aha, yes. |
21:42.16 | thiago | except for Alt, though. |
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21:42.45 | thiago | a good example: Konqueror's access keys |
21:42.50 | thiago | they are bound to Ctrl only |
21:43.01 | thiago | that was implemented with very hackish code, which means you can't easily disable it |
21:43.09 | thiago | it also means people keep hitting it by accident |
21:43.15 | smileaf | personally I would like shortcuts to trigger when released. Not as soon as it matches. |
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21:44.44 | thiago | I don't think so |
21:44.46 | XVampireX | smileaf: good idea |
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21:45.01 | XVampireX | But it does limit things |
21:45.06 | pnoiboi | hi, i'm using FC6 and kde 3.5.5; i'm trying to make mplayer my default video player, but when i move mplayer to the top of the preferred list in konqueror, my avi files still open with noatun |
21:45.20 | thiago | especially if it works on repetition |
21:45.35 | XVampireX | yup, that too |
21:45.40 | thiago | pnoiboi: are you sure you moved mplayer to the top of the list for avi? |
21:45.41 | XVampireX | meh |
21:45.43 | XVampireX | forget it |
21:45.48 | PhilRod | pnoiboi, are you sure you did it for the right mimetype? |
21:45.58 | logixoul | thiago: hmm, now that you say it, indeed i press ctrl in konq by accident _really_ often. but it's just one key, so it's easy to hit. say, Alt+Shift, however, is a lot more difficult (i.e. safer) |
21:46.17 | pnoiboi | yes, i press apply, then ok. i go back to the file association an noatun would be at the top again |
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21:46.33 | thiago | logixoul: no disputing that |
21:46.46 | thiago | logixoul: but it's still much more dangerous than Modifier+NonModifier |
21:47.12 | thiago | logixoul: there are shortcuts that begin with Alt+Shift. If you change your mind in the middle, it changes the keyboard layout. |
21:47.16 | thiago | that's why it's bad |
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21:47.48 | thiago | anyways, usability people will have the final say |
21:47.57 | thiago | I don't use the feature, so I can't comment |
21:48.06 | logixoul | thiago: agreed. i just hope it'll be allowed (not used by default) - seen plenty of people on windows use that with no problems |
21:48.14 | logixoul | ok. |
21:49.26 | logixoul | pnoiboi: check ~/.kde permissions |
21:50.19 | pnoiboi | it's drwx |
21:50.36 | XVampireX | thiago: What logixoul said |
21:51.09 | thiago | XVampireX: like I said, usability people will have the final say |
21:51.19 | thiago | XVampireX: if they find that it's too prone to accident, it won't be allowed and that's it. |
21:51.56 | coreymon77 | Renze: ive been told its not a kubuntu problem, people say it works for them |
21:52.06 | Renze | coreymon77: and it works for me |
21:52.17 | logixoul | pnoiboi: avi files belong both to application/x-mplayer2 and video/x-msvideo - did you set mplayer for both? |
21:52.25 | XVampireX | thiago: Alright :D |
21:52.43 | XVampireX | thiago: Or someone can develop some new system for that ;) |
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21:53.10 | coreymon77 | so, Renze, what do i do? |
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21:53.27 | Renze | coreymon77: if neither of my suggestions helped, I'm at a loss |
21:53.42 | pnoiboi | logixoul: ah no, thanks. i'll try that out |
21:54.08 | logixoul | XVampireX: well, iirc currently you can do the same with 'another system' - xbindkeys |
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21:55.23 | mokkan | hey, i set my screensaver to the firey one in kde, but the big X still comes up.. how can i fix that? |
21:55.52 | pnoiboi | logixoul: ok, that didn't work. it seems konqueror isn't saving my settings. i went back to "configure konqueror" and i checked application/x-mplayer2, MPlayer wasn't in the application preference order box, same with video/x-msvideo |
21:56.26 | tstaerk | mokkan, used kcontrol to set screensaver ? |
21:56.33 | mokkan | i did |
21:56.36 | XVampireX | logixoul: I can do it via a text file too, it's not my point ;) |
21:57.56 | logixoul | XVampireX: um, which text file? i'm not following you :P |
21:57.57 | tstaerk | mokkan, distro ? what do you mean by "the big x still comes up" ? |
21:58.23 | mokkan | tstaerk, gentoo.. and the big x is what im assuming is the default X screensaver |
21:58.27 | logixoul | XVampireX: what i said is: xbindkeys can help you use just a modifier as a shortcut :) |
21:58.33 | mokkan | its just a big X on the screen that randomly changes size and position |
21:58.53 | XVampireX | logixoul: The one with the kde key shortcuts |
21:58.59 | XVampireX | I forgot where it was >_< |
21:59.07 | XVampireX | But I can find it if you need it |
21:59.07 | tstaerk | mokkan, so, the question is, why doesn't my screensaver setting work ? |
21:59.15 | XVampireX | I changed it back to ctrl+alt+z |
21:59.43 | mokkan | tstaerk, exactly.. hah |
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21:59.52 | mokkan | it seems like its using xscreensaver over whatver kde uses |
21:59.53 | logixoul | XVampireX: you mean if you set an action to Shift in this config file, it'll work? |
22:00.39 | XVampireX | Maybe, but I know that Alt+Shift_L works |
22:01.00 | logixoul | mokkan: well, try using xscreensaver to change the screensaver, as a test. does it work? |
22:01.05 | sredna | Darn, digikam have regressions |
22:01.15 | tstaerk | mokkan, what display manager (not window manager) are you running ? |
22:01.16 | logixoul | XVampireX: ok, good to know |
22:01.33 | mokkan | tstaerk, kdm is what im runnin |
22:01.41 | mokkan | logixoul i might give that a try.. |
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22:06.13 | XVampireX | Is there any emule client for kde? |
22:06.19 | logixoul | XVampireX: kmldonkey |
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22:06.27 | XVampireX | Is it better than amule? |
22:06.27 | logixoul | afaik |
22:06.29 | coreymon77 | XVampireX: or amule |
22:06.49 | coreymon77 | Renze: i just created a new kde account |
22:06.49 | logixoul | XVampireX: haven't tried amule |
22:06.51 | XVampireX | I know about amule but it doesn't seem to be the most stable one ;) |
22:06.54 | coreymon77 | the previewing thing works here |
22:07.13 | logixoul | XVampireX: fwiw, kmldonkey has a horrible ui |
22:07.17 | Renze | coreymon77: ah, so it is a user setting |
22:07.48 | XVampireX | Hmm |
22:08.58 | Renze | coreymon77: I cannot think of any settings that would disable previews only for jpg images |
22:09.30 | coreymon77 | Renze: wait a sec |
22:11.22 | XVampireX | logixoul: Anything other than kmldonkey? |
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22:11.52 | coreymon77 | well then Renze, what do i do? |
22:12.05 | Renze | coreymon77: I have no idea, I'm afraid |
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22:12.48 | logixoul | XVampireX: not that i know of |
22:13.42 | coreymon77 | so this is impossible? |
22:13.43 | logixoul | coreymon77: if you send an email to the kde@kde.org mailinglist you've a better chance to be heard |
22:13.59 | XVampireX | :-/ |
22:14.32 | coreymon77 | ??? |
22:14.58 | logixoul | coreymon77: more people read that mailinglist than are active on irc ;) |
22:15.01 | logixoul | coreymon77: what was your problem again? |
22:15.13 | coreymon77 | jpeg previewing doesnt work |
22:15.26 | coreymon77 | but when i created a new account, it does |
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22:18.41 | coreymon77 | logixoul: im confused |
22:19.16 | logixoul | coreymon77: have you tried konqueror->settins->conf konq->previews->use thumbnails embedded in files |
22:19.31 | coreymon77 | yup |
22:19.36 | coreymon77 | thats enabled in both accounts |
22:19.45 | coreymon77 | wait |
22:19.51 | coreymon77 | conf konq? |
22:19.56 | coreymon77 | oh |
22:19.57 | logixoul | configure konqueror |
22:20.05 | coreymon77 | you mean in konqeurors settings |
22:20.08 | logixoul | yes |
22:20.20 | coreymon77 | well |
22:20.26 | coreymon77 | let me get into my real account then |
22:22.22 | stoned | where do you configure kde to remember window sizes? |
22:22.22 | stoned | just savesession? |
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22:23.10 | thiago | each application remembers its size |
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22:23.16 | coreymon77 | okay |
22:23.22 | coreymon77 | yes, that option is checked |
22:24.19 | coreymon77 | now what? |
22:25.59 | coreymon77 | guys? |
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22:27.53 | logixoul | fuck, i hate it when they leave 3 seconds before i hit enter |
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22:30.21 | W8TAH | hi folks -- in kate, i opened a couple docs in a split view the other day,now when i open anything, it opens 2 copies in a split view - how do i get back to it opening just one pane? |
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22:32.51 | logixoul | run the following: kate -s Default |
22:33.14 | W8TAH | logixoul, thanks |
22:33.24 | logixoul | np |
22:34.10 | W8TAH | logixoul, that does not solve the problem |
22:35.08 | logixoul | W8TAH: do you have any important kate settings and stuff? |
22:35.25 | W8TAH | no |
22:35.34 | coreymon77 | so guys |
22:35.41 | coreymon77 | what do i do about my problem |
22:35.46 | logixoul | coreymon77: if you have a few hours to spend, copy files from ~/.kde/share/apps and ~/.kde/share/config into the new account one by one, restarting konqueror each time, so you see which one is the problematic |
22:36.05 | Dr_willis | If you got no .kde settings woth keeping.. its even simpiler. :) |
22:36.10 | logixoul | coreymon77: else post to the user support mailinglist |
22:36.33 | logixoul | W8TAH: run the following: mv ~/.kde/share/apps/kate/ kate~/ |
22:36.44 | coreymon77 | logixoul: is there any non life time consuming/non setting deleting method? |
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22:37.25 | Renze | coreymon77: if we knew what was causing the problem, yes... but we don't |
22:37.40 | logixoul | coreymon77: not that i know of, obviously |
22:37.55 | logixoul | coreymon77: what Renze said |
22:38.04 | logixoul | coreymon77: oh wait |
22:38.13 | logixoul | coreymon77: you can also ask at #gentoo |
22:38.17 | coreymon77 | why |
22:38.21 | coreymon77 | im using kubuntu |
22:38.24 | Dr_willis | :) |
22:38.29 | logixoul | oh damn |
22:38.35 | logixoul | #kubuntu then :) |
22:38.38 | coreymon77 | i did |
22:38.41 | Dr_willis | we sent him here. :) |
22:38.44 | logixoul | oh |
22:38.55 | coreymon77 | that was my first place to go |
22:39.00 | Dr_willis | the issue seems to happen from upgrading from the older kde, to the newer ones.. |
22:39.04 | Renze | they seem to send everyone here |
22:39.07 | logixoul | no more ideas then |
22:39.21 | coreymon77 | one question |
22:39.23 | Dr_willis | <PROTECTED> |
22:39.31 | coreymon77 | what stuff does .kde contain |
22:39.36 | PhilRod | ~dot-kde |
22:39.37 | apt | *Don't* remove ~/.kde: as well as your personal settings, it contains your address book and may contain your email. Rename the directory and restart KDE instead |
22:39.43 | Dr_willis | coreymon77, could just 'move' the .kde dir somewhere else. |
22:39.53 | Renze | all settings, addressbook data, korganizer data, email, etc etc |
22:39.57 | Dr_willis | i dont have any email.. or address book. :) |
22:40.00 | logixoul | Dr_willis: this fixed it for him |
22:40.08 | Dr_willis | heh heh. |
22:40.09 | logixoul | Dr_willis: but he wants his settings and stuff |
22:40.11 | coreymon77 | umm |
22:40.14 | coreymon77 | all my settings? |
22:40.30 | logixoul | coreymon77: 99% of your kde settings are in ~/.kde |
22:40.34 | Dr_willis | back it up/move it is always a good idea. |
22:40.36 | coreymon77 | ya |
22:40.37 | coreymon77 | bad idea |
22:40.40 | Dr_willis | of course i told him earlier to try as a new user. |
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22:40.53 | coreymon77 | Dr_willis: that worked |
22:40.57 | logixoul | Dr_willis: basically the same :) |
22:40.58 | Dr_willis | so that pointed to the area of the problem. but i cant think of what would be causien this issue. |
22:41.30 | Dr_willis | he could just move the .kde dir. then copy some of his setting dirs over to the new .kde dir - skipping any that are related to konqueror perhaps? |
22:41.40 | Renze | yes, there are settings for disabling image previews, but none specifically for jpg |
22:42.44 | logixoul | Dr_willis: i don't think the dirs directly related to konqueror contain any relevant settings, as renze said. but yeah. |
22:43.00 | coreymon77 | then why does only jpg not work |
22:43.14 | thiago | it's a build problem |
22:43.16 | thiago | I used to have that |
22:43.18 | Dr_willis | im wondering if it may be some file assiication issue with that one user. |
22:43.19 | thiago | you need to rebuild Qt |
22:43.24 | Renze | thiago: it works for a new user |
22:43.29 | thiago | oh... |
22:43.31 | thiago | bummer |
22:43.38 | thiago | must be ~/.qt/qtrc then |
22:44.04 | Dr_willis | hmm. i dont even have anything in my .qt dir |
22:44.28 | Dr_willis | aha - there it is. :) wrong user. |
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22:45.42 | coreymon77 | wait a sec |
22:45.50 | coreymon77 | you know what the problem is thiago |
22:45.52 | coreymon77 | ? |
22:49.44 | coreymon77 | thiago: do you knwo how to repair my problem without deleting all my settings? |
22:50.24 | PhilRod | coreymon77, my first guess would be to rename ~/.kde/share/config/konquerrorrc |
22:50.31 | PhilRod | to see if that is the problem |
22:50.40 | logixoul | coreymon77: as your old user do this: mv ~/.qt/ .qt~/ |
22:50.53 | PhilRod | and of course, to spell the filename properly, unlike me :-) |
22:50.55 | coreymon77 | is this reversible |
22:51.20 | logixoul | coreymon77: yes |
22:51.37 | coreymon77 | do i need sudo? |
22:51.39 | logixoul | no |
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22:51.54 | coreymon77 | wait |
22:51.59 | coreymon77 | give me the exact command |
22:52.05 | logixoul | mv ~/.qt/ .qt~/ |
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22:52.42 | PhilRod | hehe, that's correct, if a little confusing :-) |
22:52.54 | logixoul | indeed =) |
22:53.06 | tstaerk | coreymon77, have you moved away .kde/share/config/konquerorrc |
22:53.06 | tstaerk | <PROTECTED> |
22:53.09 | coreymon77 | um |
22:53.11 | coreymon77 | mv: target `.qt~/' is not a directory: No such file or directory |
22:53.29 | logixoul | mv ~/.qt .qt~ |
22:53.39 | coreymon77 | and no |
22:53.46 | smileaf | mv ~/.qt/ .qt\~ |
22:53.47 | coreymon77 | i havent done what tstaerk said yet |
22:54.01 | tstaerk | mv ~/.qt .qt~/ |
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22:54.24 | tstaerk | then try - it is still about jpeg preview from konqi, isn't it ? |
22:54.34 | coreymon77 | yup |
22:54.36 | coreymon77 | so |
22:54.36 | smileaf | maybe ~ doesn't need that >.>, nm |
22:54.45 | coreymon77 | how do i do that |
22:54.48 | coreymon77 | command? |
22:55.23 | tstaerk | duffman:~ # cd .kde/share/config/ |
22:55.24 | tstaerk | duffman:~/.kde/share/config # ls konquerorrc |
22:55.24 | tstaerk | konquerorrc |
22:55.24 | tstaerk | duffman:~/.kde/share/config # mv konquerorrc konquerorrc-backup |
22:56.07 | logixoul | coreymon77: after you do what tstaerk says, execute this also: killall konqueror |
22:56.15 | tstaerk | yes |
22:56.51 | logixoul | coreymon77: (it'll close all your konquerors, be careful) |
22:57.00 | coreymon77 | konq isnt open |
22:57.11 | logixoul | ok, but still execute the command |
22:57.19 | coreymon77 | okay |
22:57.21 | coreymon77 | its done |
22:57.25 | coreymon77 | both commands |
22:57.28 | logixoul | now start konqueror |
22:58.43 | coreymon77 | nope |
22:58.45 | coreymon77 | same thing |
22:58.49 | logixoul | coreymon77: did you try mv ~/.qt .qt~ |
22:59.27 | coreymon77 | no |
22:59.31 | coreymon77 | should i try that now? |
22:59.34 | logixoul | yes |
22:59.54 | logixoul | and don't forget killall konqueror afterwards |
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23:00.25 | coreymon77 | wow |
23:00.28 | coreymon77 | wtf |
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23:00.35 | tstaerk | it works ? |
23:00.49 | coreymon77 | no |
23:00.52 | logixoul | no, an alien jumped out of the screen. |
23:00.56 | coreymon77 | but i think i may have found th eproblem |
23:01.05 | tstaerk | yes ??? |
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23:01.36 | coreymon77 | konqueror: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype application/x-crossover-jpg |
23:01.38 | logixoul | hmm |
23:01.46 | coreymon77 | its using crossover office as its assosciation for jpegs! |
23:02.26 | logixoul | what are the previous and next output lines? |
23:02.28 | coreymon77 | same thing |
23:02.37 | coreymon77 | tons and tons of lines of all that |
23:02.39 | tstaerk | kcontrol -> search -> file associations -> jpg could help you |
23:02.40 | coreymon77 | konqueror: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype application/x-crossover-jpg |
23:02.47 | Renze | ah... crossover plugin... that breaks everything |
23:03.11 | Renze | you really should have mentioned that at the beginning |
23:03.28 | coreymon77 | no such thing as jpg |
23:03.30 | coreymon77 | just jpeg |
23:03.38 | coreymon77 | in kcontrol |
23:04.04 | coreymon77 | but in that for filename patterns it says .jpg |
23:04.18 | coreymon77 | okay |
23:04.22 | coreymon77 | lets just do this |
23:04.37 | coreymon77 | how do i reset the assosciations |
23:04.43 | tstaerk | coreymon77, yes, just make it as in your fresh users. Maybe start with common sense and it already works. maybe. |
23:04.45 | coreymon77 | because for oen thing |
23:05.04 | logixoul | coreymon77: look for a "Defaults" or "Reset" button |
23:05.18 | coreymon77 | but heres the thing |
23:05.24 | coreymon77 | in my fresh users |
23:05.31 | coreymon77 | there are two assosciations |
23:05.36 | coreymon77 | one for jpeg |
23:05.58 | coreymon77 | with .jpg, .jpeg and all the others as its fillename varations |
23:06.02 | coreymon77 | and one for jpg |
23:06.09 | coreymon77 | in my normal account |
23:06.17 | coreymon77 | there is only the jpeg one |
23:06.47 | tstaerk | coreymon77, set it the same for your user and it will work the same |
23:06.54 | logixoul | (probably) |
23:07.00 | coreymon77 | hwo do i do that though |
23:07.02 | tstaerk | exactly |
23:07.11 | coreymon77 | there reset buttton is grayed out |
23:07.21 | logixoul | coreymon77: look for an "add" button |
23:07.27 | coreymon77 | its there |
23:07.43 | coreymon77 | now what |
23:07.49 | tstaerk | coreymon77, click on a setting and "reset" may become black |
23:07.52 | smileaf | try clicking it ;) |
23:08.07 | coreymon77 | just resetted it to what it was before |
23:08.36 | coreymon77 | can i just copy and paste the settings from the new user to my normal user |
23:08.55 | logixoul | tstaerk: btw have you seen http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-lastchanges.php ? |
23:09.49 | tstaerk | err, did thiago change something ? |
23:09.57 | coreymon77 | where are the settings for file assosciations contained? |
23:10.15 | tstaerk | I cannot use my browser at the moment, I am during a kde upgrade |
23:10.34 | coreymon77 | cause couldnt i just copy and replace my settings with the ones from the new user |
23:10.56 | logixoul | tstaerk, nope |
23:11.08 | logixoul | tstaerk, "tstaerk1458 : "Recent Articles" was my favorite!" |
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23:11.24 | logixoul | tstaerk: point is, this page has nearly the same functionality ;) |
23:11.44 | tstaerk | ah, now I understand! |
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23:12.17 | netstat | hey people |
23:12.19 | tstaerk | yes, I found this "Last Changes" some days ago and I am okay with the world again. |
23:12.22 | netstat | anyone uses cairo-clock? |
23:12.41 | tstaerk | logixoul, anyway, the gui design of mediawiki is tons better |
23:13.03 | tstaerk | diff -rup /home/test2/.kde/share/config/ /home/test/.kde/share/config/ |
23:13.23 | logixoul | tstaerk: i agree wholeheartedly, though hunting down luci to talk about that is a PITA |
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23:13.39 | tstaerk | coreymon77, ^ shows you the difference between test's settings and test2's settings |
23:13.51 | logixoul | tstaerk: fwiw i suggested a bunch of things some months ago but nothing's changed |
23:13.54 | tstaerk | logixoul, you know developernew.kde.org ? |
23:14.06 | coreymon77 | and i take it i replace test with my normal account and test2 with my new user |
23:14.14 | tstaerk | logixoul, this is a mediawiki about to replace developer.kde.org |
23:14.15 | logixoul | tstaerk: of course, you thanked me on my userpage there for my participation back in september :P |
23:14.37 | tstaerk | coreymon77, yes, we are no offended if you just try |
23:14.59 | tstaerk | logixoul: you see how ungrateful I am ;) |
23:15.12 | logixoul | ;) |
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23:15.20 | logixoul | tstaerk: but wiki.kde.org still has its place for non-development stuff, doesn't it? |
23:15.34 | arrenlex | I can't change the language in KDE 3.5.5. I have kde-i18n-engb installed, but if I try to add British in kcontrol>country\region&language, nothing happens. It appears in the list, but clicking on it has no effect. |
23:15.51 | logixoul | arrenlex: restart kde |
23:15.52 | tstaerk | that is a decision, and decision in open-source world are a funny thing |
23:16.04 | arrenlex | logixoul: Okay... hold on... |
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23:16.31 | tstaerk | logixoul, in medium timespan, developer(new) and wiki will coexist. |
23:16.33 | logixoul | tstaerk: sure, but at least danimo, dhaumann and i agreed on it iirc :) |
23:16.38 | logixoul | tstaerk: yep |
23:16.56 | coreymon77 | next time can you tell me if i need sudo |
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23:17.02 | arrenlex | logixoul: I did. NO effect. |
23:17.04 | tstaerk | I remember - that time I disagreed, now I agree if luci wants to do it |
23:17.04 | arrenlex | No. |
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23:17.38 | tstaerk | coreymon77, try it out, I do not know |
23:17.41 | Renze | coreymon77: not all distros use sudo |
23:17.41 | logixoul | tstaerk: if luci wants to do what? |
23:17.48 | coreymon77 | sudo is root |
23:17.53 | logixoul | no |
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23:18.00 | coreymon77 | i needed it |
23:18.02 | logixoul | sudo is a command you use to switch to another user |
23:18.03 | Renze | coreymon77: some distros use su instead of sudo |
23:18.11 | coreymon77 | and holy crap that gave me a lot of output |
23:18.14 | tstaerk | logixoul: if luci wants to continue wiki.kde.org. If I was luci, I would say "we do not need two wikis for kde" |
23:18.19 | Renze | coreymon77: do not assume everything is the same as kubuntu |
23:18.32 | coreymon77 | oh ya |
23:18.34 | coreymon77 | i forgot |
23:18.40 | coreymon77 | kubuntu is different form most |
23:18.45 | coreymon77 | okay |
23:18.50 | logixoul | tstaerk: ok |
23:18.53 | coreymon77 | a little tidbit of knowledge for people here |
23:19.16 | coreymon77 | for the *buntu family, sudo is the same as su |
23:19.20 | tstaerk | coreymon77, my approach would be |
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23:19.30 | brendan__ | is it possible to have gtk apps use the "Mac OS" style menu bar in kde? |
23:19.31 | tstaerk | (a) mv .kde .kde-backup |
23:19.35 | tstaerk | (b) see if it works |
23:19.38 | logixoul | brendan__: no |
23:19.50 | tstaerk | (c) if not, copy over .kde from the user where it works |
23:19.55 | tstaerk | (d) try it out |
23:20.05 | coreymon77 | that diff -rup /home/test2/.kde/share/config/ /home/test/.kde/share/config/ command gave me tons of output |
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23:20.21 | tstaerk | coreymon77, that means, you have tons of different settings |
23:20.41 | coreymon77 | well ya |
23:20.45 | logixoul | "tons of differences between settings", more accurately ;) |
23:20.48 | coreymon77 | of course |
23:20.51 | Enverex | I have an odd problem with KDE. When the machine is under load or coping files the mouse seems to skip and become a bit juddery. |
23:20.57 | coreymon77 | i have been using this account for close to a year |
23:21.02 | coreymon77 | so ive changed stuff |
23:21.05 | logixoul | Enverex: afaik everyone has this |
23:21.08 | coreymon77 | the new account was just created |
23:21.19 | tstaerk | need to log off because of kde upgrade. Hope to be back later ;) |
23:21.22 | logixoul | Enverex: at least i do |
23:21.40 | Enverex | Now "but that's not a KDE issue!" I hear you cry... I'd assume it wasn't either, but it doesn't happen in Gnome or XFCE4. I mean, why or even how would a DE make a mouse juddery? :/ |
23:21.41 | thiago | Enverex: not a KDE issue |
23:21.44 | Renze | logixoul: actually, it can be affected by which scheduler is being used by the kernel |
23:21.51 | Enverex | thiago, hehe, read what I just wrote |
23:21.52 | thiago | Enverex: the load is higher |
23:22.03 | thiago | Enverex: the mouse pointer is X's business |
23:22.25 | Enverex | thiago, I'm aware of that, but KDE must be doing something because it only ever happens on KDE. Not any other WM or DE |
23:22.46 | Renze | Enverex: it doesn't happen on my KDE ;) |
23:22.51 | logixoul | Renze: i'll pretend to know what scheduler means :) |
23:22.55 | coreymon77 | okay |
23:22.55 | thiago | Enverex: the load with KDE must be higher |
23:23.06 | coreymon77 | it turns out that the problem is file association |
23:23.07 | coreymon77 | s |
23:23.08 | thiago | Enverex: maybe related to the fact that KDE uses out-of-process processes to copy files |
23:23.17 | coreymon77 | so how do i reset that and only that |
23:23.39 | Enverex | thiago, That can't be true. I have the machine load at 100% under other WM/DEs and no issues. |
23:23.50 | thiago | Enverex: is it the same load average? |
23:23.52 | Renze | coreymon77: have a look in ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/ |
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23:23.56 | thiago | Enverex: same number of running processes? |
23:23.57 | brendan__ | Enverex, are you sure you have dma enabled for your hard disk? |
23:23.58 | logixoul | thiago: could it be the bouncy cursor? |
23:24.01 | thiago | Enverex: same number of context switches? |
23:24.05 | Enverex | Even compiling apps with a -j6 flag or something it is still fine under Gnome |
23:24.08 | Enverex | thiago, yeah |
23:24.19 | Enverex | brendan__, That's just silly |
23:24.42 | thiago | I used to compile stuff with -j20 and nothing untoward happened |
23:24.44 | Enverex | thiago, I don't see why a single filecopy would have many context switches and if it is what you claim then it IS a KDE bug anyway, heh |
23:24.54 | coreymon77 | Renze: should i look at that direcotry in konq? |
23:25.41 | coreymon77 | or a terminal |
23:25.41 | Renze | coreymon77: look at it however you are comfortable... I prefer konsole, personally |
23:25.41 | Enverex | thiago, I know, that was the point. It just seems that in KDE when the system is under load for whatever reason the mouse becomes all juddery |
23:25.42 | Renze | coreymon77: that's where user file associations are saved |
23:25.42 | thiago | Enverex: like I told you, the mouse is X's business |
23:25.43 | thiago | Enverex: maybe it's the mouse cursor theme KDE sets |
23:25.50 | thiago | Enverex: maybe it's the number of context switches |
23:25.53 | brendan__ | Enverex, is it?, linux turns dma off by default for some ide chipsets |
23:25.56 | thiago | Enverex: maybe it's something completely unrelated |
23:25.59 | Enverex | brendan__, It's SATA |
23:26.39 | Enverex | thiago, Well you saying it's an X issue can't be true else it would happen with KDE or any other env, but it doesn't, just KDE. It could be the theme though, although that sounds unlikely. |
23:26.45 | ravermeister | hello i have got a question how do i change the path from "storage media" from /media to media:/ |
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23:27.05 | Renze | ravermeister: right click, properties |
23:27.11 | coreymon77 | okay |
23:27.11 | coreymon77 | so |
23:27.18 | ravermeister | moment im trying |
23:27.23 | coreymon77 | can i jst copy and replace? |
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23:27.42 | coreymon77 | or is it gonna give me an access denied thing cause im using the acount? |
23:27.48 | Renze | coreymon77: yes... then run kbuildsycoca as user to update the cache |
23:27.56 | ravermeister | ok and then? |
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23:28.20 | Renze | ravermeister: change the URL? |
23:28.21 | coreymon77 | brb |
23:29.00 | Renze | ravermeister: you haven't mentioned *which* "storage media" you are trying to change |
23:29.53 | thiago | Enverex: dude, what part of what I explained didn't you get? |
23:29.58 | thiago | Enverex: X draws the cursor |
23:30.10 | thiago | Enverex: if the cursor is bouncy, it means that X isn't getting enough CPU time |
23:30.11 | ravermeister | its the tool in the task bar, where you can open konqueror whether with your home folder or the network things, or storage media or all personal folders |
23:30.26 | ravermeister | and when i wants to open the button storage media |
23:30.29 | thiago | Enverex: there are many reasons for that and in a system as complex as a KDE running on Linux with X, I cannot pinpoint the source |
23:30.30 | Renze | ravermeister: I don't have that in my taskbar... different distros |
23:30.37 | thiago | Enverex: I can come up with a dozen possible reasons |
23:30.43 | thiago | Enverex: none of which I can prove or disprove |
23:30.49 | ravermeister | hmm its a feature from kde not from the system |
23:31.04 | ravermeister | right click on the taskbar |
23:31.06 | ravermeister | and then |
23:31.06 | Renze | ravermeister: yes, I know... but different distros ship with different KDE settings |
23:31.08 | thiago | Enverex: maybe it isn't something that KDE is doing -- maybe it's something that KDE isn't doing |
23:31.18 | thiago | Enverex: maybe it's something that KDE is -- or isn't |
23:31.22 | Enverex | thiago, That would still make it a KDE issue then (no other envs have that issue, so it's KDE being bad with its own priorities) |
23:31.27 | Renze | ravermeister: are you referring to the system menu applet? |
23:31.49 | ravermeister | right |
23:32.02 | thiago | Enverex: no |
23:32.02 | Renze | ravermeister: then go to $KDEDIR/share/apps/systemview/ and edit the media.desktop file and change the URL |
23:32.10 | ravermeister | when you push it a submenu opens with the links called before |
23:32.17 | thiago | Enverex: it might be something as simple as the specific OpenGL call that KDE makes |
23:32.18 | Renze | ravermeister: $KDEDIR is whereever your distro installs KDE |
23:32.24 | ravermeister | okay |
23:32.30 | thiago | Enverex: different textures that KDE uses, for instance |
23:32.33 | thiago | Enverex: hell I know |
23:33.02 | Renze | Enverex: *your* KDE... mine never gets jerky even when compiling |
23:33.07 | thiago | Enverex: it could be your video driver's fault |
23:33.29 | thiago | Enverex: NVidia is known to have a bug like that: it does not optimise some calls that KDE uses but GNOME doesn't |
23:33.40 | ravermeister | great thanks that was it |
23:33.43 | ravermeister | :) |
23:33.48 | Renze | ravermeister: no problem |
23:33.56 | ravermeister | by the way happy new year ;) |
23:34.00 | Renze | ravermeister: now yell at your distro for changing it in the first place ;) |
23:35.01 | ravermeister | im using kubuntu dapper 6.06 |
23:35.15 | ravermeister | and it appeared after an update from kde 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 |
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23:36.25 | Renze | ravermeister: I suspected it would be kubuntu... they change lots of things |
23:37.06 | ravermeister | thats right but i prefer it from Suse cause the solution of the package dependencies are better |
23:37.56 | ravermeister | of course mandriva is very nice too but somehow i like the debian based systems more but dont aks me why :) |
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23:38.07 | ravermeister | gentoo is much work |
23:38.12 | ravermeister | or not? |
23:38.15 | Renze | but it's worth it |
23:38.28 | ravermeister | you have to compile everything by your own right? |
23:38.46 | Renze | compile, yes... by your own, no... it is automated |
23:39.14 | ravermeister | oh i didnt know that. |
23:39.35 | ravermeister | and is it possible to install packages too or only source code |
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23:39.49 | Renze | there are binary packages for some things |
23:39.57 | ravermeister | okay |
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23:40.15 | ravermeister | maybe i'll take a look at it but time is the key ;) |
23:40.19 | Renze | ravermeister: go to www.gentoo.org or #gentoo to find out more — it is outside the scope of this channel |
23:40.37 | ravermeister | nice thank you |
23:40.40 | Kasyx | ravermeister: I'm on gentoo |
23:40.46 | Kasyx | It's really, really easy |
23:40.58 | Kasyx | It all gets compiled, yes, but portage does it for you |
23:41.31 | coreymon77 | guys |
23:41.36 | coreymon77 | something slightly wierd |
23:41.53 | coreymon77 | i looked in the mimelink folder for my new user |
23:42.06 | coreymon77 | and the only folder it contains is audio |
23:42.10 | coreymon77 | there is no image folder |
23:42.23 | Renze | coreymon77: only user changes are stored there |
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23:42.35 | ravermeister | okay i will try it, does it work well on a virtual machine? |
23:42.43 | coreymon77 | well then. how do i reset it |
23:42.59 | Renze | coreymon77: in your original user's folder, do you have image/jpeg ? |
23:43.01 | coreymon77 | do i just delete the jpg and jpeg files in the folder |
23:43.07 | coreymon77 | yup |
23:43.07 | Renze | coreymon77: yes |
23:43.09 | flyinghippo_ | Hello. I have installed KDE in Ubuntu, but now I am not able to change my volume, nor can I use my volume control panel that was built into my laptop. Does anyone know of a way to change the volume? |
23:43.13 | Renze | coreymon77: then run kbuildsycoca |
23:43.14 | coreymon77 | i just delete em |
23:43.24 | coreymon77 | sudo prob |
23:43.33 | Renze | coreymon77: you don't need sudo for user stuff |
23:43.40 | coreymon77 | oh |
23:43.47 | Renze | sudo is only for system stuff |
23:43.52 | coreymon77 | there are 2 files, jpeg.desktop and jpg.desktop |
23:43.57 | coreymon77 | do i delete both of them |
23:43.59 | coreymon77 | ? |
23:44.01 | Renze | coreymon77: yes |
23:44.43 | coreymon77 | coreymon@kubuntu:~$ kbuildsycoca |
23:44.43 | coreymon77 | kbuildsycoca running... |
23:44.43 | coreymon77 | Reusing existing ksycoca |
23:44.43 | coreymon77 | kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available! |
23:44.55 | Renze | don't worry about that one |
23:45.00 | Renze | everybody gets that |
23:45.28 | coreymon77 | so its done? |
23:45.38 | logixoul | try |
23:45.43 | Renze | coreymon77: we won't know until you try previewing a jpg |
23:45.48 | Renze | we're not psychic |
23:46.08 | coreymon77 | nope |
23:46.10 | coreymon77 | same thing |
23:46.15 | coreymon77 | still the crossover bit |
23:46.16 | logixoul | killall konqueror |
23:46.37 | Renze | that crossover plugin breaks stuff for everybody... why do people even bother using it? |
23:46.52 | logixoul | Renze: what's it for? |
23:46.56 | coreymon77 | i didnt even know i was using it |
23:47.04 | Renze | logixoul: something to do with Microsoft Office files, or something |
23:47.11 | coreymon77 | the only thing i did was install crossover |
23:47.17 | coreymon77 | cause it works better than wine |
23:47.22 | logixoul | Renze: ok |
23:47.33 | coreymon77 | crossover works better than just plain wine |
23:47.44 | coreymon77 | so thats why i have it |
23:47.57 | Renze | coreymon77: then you will just have to live with the breakage it causes |
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23:59.15 | mots | hi, i'm trying to do a superkaramba-theme |
23:59.47 | mots | is there anything like CLICKAREA, but for ONE click (no double-click)? |