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00:08.38smileafwell this chat sucks tonight.
00:08.53illogic-aldon't it though.
00:09.14smileafits not like it's midnight .... yet or anymore to some :)
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00:52.20Servo888I was wondering - where does korganizer store it's information? I backed up my entire home folder during a reinstall, but can't seem to locate any .koranizer folders =-\
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00:57.17Servo888found it! ./.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics
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01:17.40labruillerec vide
01:28.14PF-Awayi just found another reason to use KDE
01:28.27PF-Awaygnome's founder, de Icaza's moral stinks
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01:28.36PF-Away:D
01:28.39PF-Awayhappy new year, btw
01:28.54labruillerehappy new year
01:31.43KasyxHeh
01:31.47KasyxI'm a tad tipsy
01:31.56PF-Awaylol
01:32.30labruillereu're not a bot?
01:32.51PF-Awaywho?
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01:33.26PF-Away:P
01:33.46labruillerelol
01:35.12labruillereare u european?
01:38.01PF-Awayyeah
01:38.02PF-Awaynorway
01:38.10PF-Awayyou?
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01:50.14unityhey, is it a known issue that kwrite 3.5.5 with aspell 0.50.5 sometimes crashes during a spellcheck?
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02:10.48SwordManXhey how do i set konqueror to just act as a file browser by defail
02:10.51SwordManXdefault
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02:33.56Zakihi, i have accedentally killed the kde panel
02:34.00Zakihow to start it?
02:34.08Renzealt-f2, and type kicker
02:34.38Zakiwhat about kicker & ?
02:34.45Renzeit won't matter
02:34.47Zakior no need for "&" it seems
02:34.54ZakiRenze, THANKS ALOT!!! :D
02:34.58Renzeno problem
02:35.06JucatoRenze: moin! :)
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02:35.20ZakiRenze, a great 2007 for KDE because of your help :D
02:35.23RenzeJucato: it's afternoon, not morning :P
02:35.28Jucatolol
02:35.36JucatoHappy New Year (again)
02:35.50Renze"Happy" has yet to be determined
02:36.09JucatoRenze: aw... to bad... I'm happy, despite being sick :P
02:36.44Jucatoeat!!!
02:36.46Jucato:D
02:36.53Renzeok, I will
02:37.05Jucatocook up one of your famous meals... (are they really famous?)
02:37.15Renzeno, they're not famous
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02:37.22Renzejust tasty
02:37.25Jucato:D
02:37.45JucatoI just remember the tuna sandwich and the soups
02:37.56Renzeand the thai red curry
02:38.01Renzeand the satay stir fry
02:38.09Jucatoeheh
02:38.12Renzeand the pancakes
02:38.29Jucatoooh pancakes! we had deformed pancakes for breakfast yesterday :D
02:38.35Renzedeformed?
02:38.54RenzeI make dutch pancakes... they're more like crepes
02:38.56Jucatoyeah... the shape doesn't resemble a pancake in any way
02:39.06Renzewith filling (sweet or savoury)
02:39.34Jucatodumped some blueberry jam on mine :)
02:39.54Renzeice cream is fantastic in dutch pancakes
02:40.16Jucato:)
02:41.15Jucatodarn I'm so jealous... a KDE dev was able to install Linux and run KDE on his HTC (Universal) phone...
02:41.36Renzebut right now I think I'll just cook some sausages and make some sausage, cheese, pickle, and mayo sandwiches
02:42.14Jucatohave fun! and be filled :P
02:44.58KasyxO.O
02:45.02KasyxBy whom
02:45.04Kasyx?
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02:46.14SwordManXhey how do i set konqueror to just act as a file browser by default
02:47.34JucatoSwordManX: what exactly do you mean? If you use the File Manager profile, Konqueror will act/look like a file browser/manager
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02:47.55Jucatoactually, Konqi acts like a file manager as long as you're viewing directories and not web pages
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02:54.00SwordManXJucato, by default
02:54.14SwordManXby default now it goes to /usr/lib/fedora
02:54.18SwordManXor something like that
02:56.16Renzethen blame Fedora for messing it up
02:56.38SwordManXhaha
02:56.42SwordManXfedora core 5 had it right
02:56.47Renzedefault behaviour for pretty much every other distro is the user's home directory
02:56.50SwordManXbut not on 6
02:59.14Jucato*if* you click on the Home icon in the System Menu... if you click on the Konqueror icon on the panel or in the K Menu, the default is about:konqueror
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02:59.57Drenthehey, is it a known issue that kwrite 3.5.5 with aspell 0.50.5 sometimes crashes during a spellcheck?
03:00.38oGALAXYoDrenthe: what distro...
03:01.19oGALAXYoDrenthe: what distro...
03:01.19JucatoRenze's engrish is purfect
03:01.27SwordManXits going to /usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html by default Jucato
03:01.34RenzeI iz a gud spelar
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03:07.06JucatoSwordManX: I see... Fedora's customization, but for the Web Browser profile. do you mean you want to launch Konqueror in File Manager mode (at /home) when you click on the Konqueror icon in the panel?
03:07.18SwordManXcorrect
03:07.21SwordManXwell the icon on my desktop
03:07.38Renzedrag and drop "Home" from your kmenu to your desktop
03:08.22JucatoSwordManX: just change the command that's used to "kfmclient openProfile filemanagement" or make link to /home on your desktop, like what Renze said
03:08.34SwordManXokay thanks
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03:09.17RenzeI wonder if the supermarket is open today...
03:09.47JucatoRenze: over here, the malls/supermarkets usually open after lunch on holidays
03:10.01Jucatoyay openSUSE 10.2 finished downloading :P
03:10.18RenzeJucato: beware the Microsoft cooties
03:10.38Jucatohahah. I don't have plans of using it full time. I just want to test it and play around :)
03:12.10DrentheoGALAXYo: gentoo
03:15.30oGALAXYoDrenthe: thats why it crashes..
03:15.54oGALAXYoDrenthe: well i dont want to generalize here since there are people outside who do have a fine gentoo system
03:16.10oGALAXYobut most gentoo users that ive met use some sort of "leet cflags" stuff..
03:16.20oGALAXYothis causes bad code generation which leads into said crashes..
03:16.54DrentheCFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
03:16.55oGALAXYoof course it might be the case that this indeed is a kde problem but then it might have been reported by dozen of other people before.. so please check out buguzilla..
03:16.55Drenthetoo "leet" for you?
03:16.56oGALAXYoyes pentium4 can be the cause already.
03:17.18Drenthei blame gcc, not gentoo
03:17.43Drentheeven though i believe gcc warned me in advance...
03:18.01oGALAXYothe use of an architecture such as pentium4 instructs the compiler to use this cpu specific commands (mnemonic) for better code generation this might lead into broken code genration depending in how good the pentium4 stuff is optimized or supported.
03:18.14oGALAXYowell i dont blame gentoo..
03:18.19oGALAXYoi blame the people using gentoo..
03:19.09oGALAXYothis probably wont have happened with any other distro that supplies packages and where in such cases quickly updates exist.. this wont happen with gentoo i believe.. its on good trusts to the users who "know what they are doing".
03:19.55oGALAXYobinary packages are usually tested.. and if they crash new binary packages will be created that fix this issue...
03:20.23oGALAXYogentoo requires compiling and if you use excessive flags, or maybe a compiler that generates broken code then you end in these situations..
03:20.45Kasyx...And linux is all about choice...
03:20.52Kasyx;-)
03:21.17Drenthei still think O2 is worth it...
03:21.25oGALAXYowhich leads into "non calculable" crashes... there is no clear line or structure in crashes.. e.g. if an app for debian crashes.. then it crashes for everyone.. but for gentoo people its today this app crashes, tomorrow the other one and none of these things can be confirmed or hardly confirmed by others since its compiled...
03:21.30Drentheor --march=pentium4, rather
03:21.34oGALAXYono
03:21.36oGALAXYobetter -O2
03:22.01oGALAXYoi had --march=athlon-xp for months in my buildscripts
03:22.07oGALAXYoand it gave the shits out of gstreamer for example
03:22.16oGALAXYoit took me a shitload of time to figure that out..
03:22.26oGALAXYoremoving the architecture dependant optimization solved it.
03:22.37oGALAXYothis also varies from compiler to compiler...
03:22.48oGALAXYoeven slight minor versions can generate different code..
03:23.07oGALAXYoeven if you compile the compiler (during boostrap) you can by mistake compile wrong code into the compiler :)
03:23.37Drenthei don't know...this seems to be one of the only problems i'm having with gentoo. all problems seem to be kde-related, so i don't know...i think i'll keep my cflags
03:23.48oGALAXYoor broken code.. so the compiler itself carries broken code, which leads into executing broken functions inside the code (that for example does optimization etc..).. so its hard to track these things.
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03:24.17oGALAXYois it kde related ? or is it compiler related..
03:24.21Drentheif i don't optimize the compiler, i might be here all day compiling stuff
03:24.34Drenthekde programs are the only ones that seem to crash for me
03:24.42oGALAXYowrong..
03:24.48oGALAXYonot opimizing compils faster..
03:24.59Drenthekonqueror, kwin/kicker/kde, and kwrite
03:25.03oGALAXYooptimizing takes longer to compile.. since as the name says.. it needs to run optimizations.
03:25.42Drenthei meant if i optimized the compiler and nothing else, as opposed to not optimizing anything at all
03:25.45oGALAXYocompiling with -O0 only is faster than -O2 ... e.g. it takes 1/3 less time to compile kde that way.. (dont fix me on the 1/3 now but its noticable faster).
03:25.53oGALAXYook
03:26.36Drenthethe other problem i'm having is that i have no clue where my notebook is. i left it on my desk earlier today...
03:26.46DrentheRenze: what cflags?
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03:27.00RenzeCFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
03:27.23Drenthethat interestingly goes against much of what oGALAXYo just said...
03:27.46Renzeand in the past (I have since removed it) gstreamer built fine ;)
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03:28.13oGALAXYoit didnt here..
03:28.33Renzewith gcc 3.3.6 (now using 4.1.1)
03:28.47oGALAXYobut gstreamer when running configure switched the cflags internally... only if you enforced the cflags it changed them.
03:28.59oGALAXYoahh ok 3.3.x ....
03:29.12oGALAXYowith gcc 4 it messed up the internal stack.
03:29.25Drenthe4.1.1 has a new optimizing engine or something. (i don't know how compilers work so i must sound really dumb)
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03:31.30RenzeI've had those cflags for over two years with nary a hiccup
03:32.38oGALAXYothese are quite ok'ish cflags actually..
03:32.51oGALAXYodo you use them for CXXFLAGS as well ? :)
03:32.54Renzeyes
03:33.09RenzeCXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
03:33.19oGALAXYogood...
03:33.25oGALAXYoyou also put the brackets around it :)
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03:34.10Renzeit's always a good idea to disambiguate
03:34.24oGALAXYoyup
03:34.49RenzeJucato: there's a project for you
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03:35.20JucatoRenze: I think I have too many projects in mind already... this isn't a particular itch, just a minor annoyance :P
03:35.38Renzesounds like an excuse to me ;)
03:35.51Jucatoit actually is :P
03:36.05Jucatowhat? I'm not allowed to make excuses? devs make them all the time :P
03:36.30oGALAXYoJucato: if you have so many projects in mind and you lose focus then its just a matter of bad controlling :)
03:37.04JucatooGALAXYo: it's also a matter of poor prioritizing, organizing, and realism
03:37.13oGALAXYono thats wrong..
03:37.17oGALAXYousually you do a PSP first :)
03:37.33oGALAXYothen you start the kickoff.. then you do controlling.. you finish the project and do your learned lessons :)
03:37.34Jucatohm.. Playstation Portable? :D
03:37.36oGALAXYofor each project that is
03:37.48JucatoI already have kickoff installed lol
03:37.52Jucato:D
03:40.43oGALAXYotell me.. i am doing project management..
03:41.24Jucatoheh :)
03:41.49oGALAXYobut primarily i work as software engineer..
03:42.21Jucatoheh I primarily work as a bum :D
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04:03.48livindeddoes kde use it's own lib/application to prompt for a sudo login?
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04:03.50warriornesslivinded: Yes, "kdesu"
04:06.03livindedwarriorness: does it have a lot of kde dependencies, or would i be able to use it in say openbox without having to install and run large amounts of kde?
04:06.24warriornesslivinded: I dunno...
04:06.41warriornessone minute
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04:07.40warriornesslivinded: http://www.gentoo-portage.com/kde-base/kdesu/Dep#ptabs
04:08.30livindedalright so i'd still need the kdebase
04:09.30DrentheJucato: Ark's backends don't always indicate progress, do they?
04:10.57stonedhappy new year
04:11.12stonedand eid mubarak to the people sacrificing goats and such
04:11.27stonedits party time
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04:59.25lnxkdehappy new year people
05:01.13pabCheers!
05:01.26lnxkde;)
05:01.54lnxkde2007 will be a very good year for KDE
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05:13.29JucatoH@ppy N3w Y3@r! :P
05:15.25icwienerJucato: Currently you can say that every hour agein for someone in the world. I think, only once from now on, though. ;)
05:15.56RenzeHacky GNU Year!
05:15.56icwienerOh, five times... got that wrong. :D
05:15.57Jucatoicwiener: don't mind saying it again and again until the last country reaches 00:00 :)
05:16.50icwienerJucato: Which is Honolulu. :)
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05:16.53Jucatoooh
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05:18.31icwienerOh, New York is just blowing up their money.
05:19.09Jucato:D
05:19.19icwienerhttp://www.earthcam.com/ts/ :D
05:19.24JucatoI probably would to if 1) I had money to blow up and 2) I weren't sick...
05:19.37icwienersickness sucks
05:19.54Jucatosickness on New Year sucks++
05:21.30Jucatolol
05:21.46Jucatowell, yeah, in this case, the two are equivalent :)
05:22.53icwienerHmm, on time square, thay only have that crappy blinking "2007" on screen...
05:23.01Jucatohm... so my folks up in New York are now celebrating new year...
05:23.35icwienerYou have folks in NY?
05:24.06icwienerOh, and in NZ. :)
05:25.14computeri thought folks mean parents
05:25.31computeror does it mean relatives in general..
05:25.40icwienerlool, I guess this webcam http://www.nyvibe.net/nyvibescam/ is not updated regularly. :)
05:25.56icwienerI thought relatives...
05:26.03computercool
05:26.07computeri don't really know =)
05:26.12computer!folks
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05:26.31Jucatoicwiener: yeah. relatives in NY
05:26.42icwienerhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=folks lol
05:26.42Jucatoand one in Canada (don't know where)
05:27.08icwienerFolks: "Dem real niggaz from the hood that claim GD and stay tru to their shit"
05:27.13Jucato:O
05:27.48icwiener"Relatives. Can refer to just parents or entire immediate family; sometimes even to extended family. Most commonly heard in the Southern and Midwestern heartland of the U.S."
05:27.53Jucatoheh I was referring to my mom's brothers and sisters and my cousins living there :)
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05:28.20SwordManXhappy new years
05:28.54pabI certainly hope we have many ;)
05:29.57icwienercommercial?
05:30.03icwienerpab: Many what?
05:30.15pabyears
05:30.16Jucatomany "new years"
05:30.31JucatoI wouldn't mind getting a 2007.1 after this :P
05:30.39pablol
05:30.41icwienerhehe
05:31.15icwiener2007 will be a great year for me, I think. First of all I have to go to the dentist! ;)
05:31.30Jucatohah!! I have to find a reliable dentist first
05:31.39Jucatobut yes, I do need to get my teeth checked...
05:32.08Jucatoyes 2007 will be great year for me, too. specially for me & KDE :)
05:32.40icwienerhehe
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05:34.10computeris there a website for konqueror about page themes?
05:34.29Jucatopage themes?
05:35.02computermm, i'm not sure what u mean, i think i was trying to say that page that comes up when u first start konqueror
05:35.14Jucatoaaah about:konqueror
05:35.33computerya i think that's it
05:35.34Jucatoit's basically an XML file afaik. /usr/share/apps/konqueror/about/
05:35.52computer!afaik
05:36.03Jucatoafaik = as far as I know :)
05:36.05computerhehe i didn't know what it stood for, i saw it before tho, just for got
05:36.06icwienerJucato: I spent three hours with looking at the Konvi sources to see if I can fix a problem (that would have been no problem in Perls *coughs*) and when I actuelly found it and wrot workarounds to play with it, I found other problems, which lay deeper, so I gave it in more competent händs. ;)
05:36.08computero cool thx
05:36.33Jucatoanyway, you can make your own page (HTML or whatever), then save the view profile with the option to "Save URLs in profile"
05:36.39Renzehänds?
05:36.55Jucatomaybe he meant hânds?
05:36.56icwiener*hands :)
05:37.00computerJuacto thx alot
05:37.57Jucatoicwiener: my motive for wanting to help in Konqueror is very personal... I just don't want it to get "replaced" by Dolphin any time soonish...
05:38.30Jucatoif there's a way to fix it, or change it, or make an overhaul (using what we can learn from Dolphin), then I'm all for that...
05:39.06Jucatounfortunately, all I have now are ideas/concepts... and a very simple patch submitted to kfm-devel :(
05:39.22icwienerJucato: My motivation was personal as well. I wanted to get this damn regexp working. ;)
05:39.27RenzeJucato: what do you have against aquatic mammals?
05:41.10JucatoRenze: oh nothing... :)
05:41.24icwienerI think the humans learned much from the Dolphins in Hitchhiker's Guide. :)
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05:41.57Renzea nautilus is a primitive mollusk with a spiral shell and tentacles
05:42.22Renzehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus
05:42.44Jucatooh then "I have nothing against aquatic animals, unless they're mollusks in mammal's clothing"
05:43.21Jucatoso they ain't instinct, eh?
05:44.38computero what's aquamarine, it was something about beryl, i didn't pay too much attention
05:44.53Renzeaquamarine is a window manager for beryl that uses kwin themes
05:45.00Jucatocomputer: aquamarine is a window decoration for the beryl window manager
05:45.01computercool
05:45.04computerthx
05:45.06JucatoRenze: er...
05:45.12computerwhat features does it have tho
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05:45.18computeris it really eye-candish
05:45.19computerhehe
05:45.24Jucatocomputer: yep it is
05:45.33computercool, i have to download it separtely?
05:45.40computeractually i'll go google about it first =)
05:45.43computerbefore boring u guys out hehe
05:45.54Renzewe don't support beryl here :P
05:46.06computeris there a channel called beryl
05:46.11Jucatocomputer: http://www.beryl-project.org/
05:46.11Renzeno idea
05:46.19computercuz everytime i had a question on it, people seem to say go to ubuntu xgl
05:46.25computerthx Jucato
05:46.46Jucatocomputer: only if you're using ubuntu
05:47.00Renzeew, buntu
05:47.11computerif i have question on beryl on kubuntu where should i go then
05:47.24Jucatocomputer: #ubuntu-xgl
05:47.25Renzethank you... may I have another?
05:47.40computerbut, but, but, didn't u say that's only if i'm on ubuntu
05:47.46computerdo people actually care that much where question is asked
05:47.52Renzethank you... may I have another?
05:48.03Jucatocomputer: it works for all *buntus
05:48.07computernice
05:48.08computerthx =)
05:48.29Jucatocomputer: yes, people care. because it doesn't make sense asking a question in a channel that doesn't support the feature, does it? :)
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05:48.39JucatoRenze: sorry, ran out of places to hurt you physically :)
05:48.52computero i was more thinking of difference betwee the differ buntus =) anywayz
05:49.04computerbetween different*
05:49.16Jucatocomputer: ah. well, #ubuntu-xgl caters to all the Ubuntu derivatives
05:49.21computer=)
05:49.22computercool
05:49.56computerhey there's actually a beryl channel
05:50.05computeri just tried to see if i can join it
05:50.05Jucatohave fun :)
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05:56.19pabActually, I've experienced probs with channels bouncing me between them.  "No you need to go to blah blah".  Then blah blah send you back.  pft What to do?
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06:04.54icwienerpab: They do not send you to the other channel to punish you. Mostly they just do not know the answer. So it would not be better for you not to be sent to the other channel. If noone knows the answer, you have to read things until you know it.
06:13.25Jucatohm.... is it just me or does Konvi's auto spellcheck reset to disabled from time to time
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06:15.30pankeyugh so is KJFK the only buggy weather code for kweather in existence?
06:15.34pankeyit seldomly works for me :/
06:17.23icwienerJucato: I suspect a erroneous configuration reread in Konvi, since my osd and my growing input box is resettet from time to time as well.
06:18.11icwienerpankey: There was much work done in the last weeks on kweather, so maybe it's fixed for 3.5.6.
06:18.16Jucatohm... have to bring that up with Sho after the new year...
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06:19.02icwienerMartin Koller was crushing 76 bugs in KWeather last wek.
06:19.25Renzecrushing bugs... that's how they used to make red food colouring ;)
06:19.34Renzecochineal beetles
06:19.38icwienerhehe
06:19.44pabicwiener: I hear.  Just frustrating sometimes lol.
06:19.54pankeythis has been ongoing since 3.4 was beta
06:20.00pankeyalways KJFK screws up lol
06:20.39RenzeNZWN seems fine
06:21.12pankeythe weather code for my area
06:21.31icwienerAh, ok.
06:21.42pankeynew york, jfk airport
06:22.16Renzenew zealand, wellington airport
06:22.37icwienerOh, wellington. I saw a nice picture of wellington...
06:23.03icwienerhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Wellington_City_Night.jpg
06:23.26Renzeyup, that's wellington
06:23.34icwienerWarning. Firefox users, don't click the image, it will most likely crasdh firefos. :)
06:23.41pankeyrofl
06:23.44icwienerRenze: Are you from there?
06:23.44pankeyopera :D
06:23.56Renzeicwiener: from here? no, but I live here.
06:23.58Jucatoheh Konqueror :)
06:24.24pankey13939 x 1788 <----holy CRAP thats like
06:24.26pankeywidescreen
06:24.33Renzepanoramic
06:24.35icwienerThe Mozilla Guys say, it's a problem with Linux mem management, due to the fact that it doesn't crash the browser unter Windows. ;)
06:24.40pankeyrofl
06:25.05pankeyshrink it a wee bit and use it with beryl desktop cube bg
06:25.09pankey:D
06:25.12icwienerRenze: I think I would sit on that mountain(?) every night. :D
06:25.35pankeylinux has memory management problems? lol?
06:25.37Renzeit's just a hill
06:25.49icwienerMount  Victoria
06:26.00Renzeit's just a name ;)
06:26.06icwiener196 metres
06:26.21icwienerOur "hill" is just 105 metres. ;)
06:26.29Renzemountains have to be 1000 metres, I think
06:27.04icwienerThere was a movie about some village creating a mountain out of a hill... don't remember the name.
06:27.17Renzethe man who went up a hill but came down a mountain
06:27.27icwienerRight.
06:27.42Renzeor something to that effect
06:27.43icwiener"A mountain is generally higher and steeper than a hill, but there is considerable overlap, and usage often depends on local custom."
06:27.50Renzeah
06:28.14Renzein that case I'm surrounded by mountains :D
06:28.19icwienerhehe
06:28.51Jucatoso an anthill can be called an antmountain, depending on local custom?
06:28.54Jucato;)
06:29.56icwienerhmm, here, everything is closed until tomorrow...
06:31.19Jucato:O
06:31.39JucatoLinux_Galore: Happy New Year! :)
06:32.16icwienerJucato: For next year you could write a konvi script to save typing work. ;)
06:32.42Jucatohuh? what kind of typing work will it save?
06:33.20Jucatojust think of the words, and it automatically puts in the text?
06:34.09icwieneronJoin(i); do echo "Happy New Year $i; done ;)
06:34.20pankeylol
06:34.28Jucatoheh
06:35.17Jucatoicwiener: btw, I haven't greeted him yet, he didn't join. he just changed nicks (indicating he's no longer /away?)
06:35.41Jucatodon't worry, I'll try very hard not to greet anyone anymore :P
06:36.09icwienerhehe, keep it up... :)
06:36.40Jucatono I won't
06:36.56Jucatojust finishing burning the suse cd's... then I'm off to a quick nap
06:37.01Jucatotrying to get well
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06:51.52SilverWolfHm is KDE 4.0 developed behind closed doors, or is it possible to compile a development version?
06:53.04JucatoSilverWolf: it's always possible to build it yourself. although take note that it's not in a state that is usable to anyone except developers
06:53.06Jucatohttp://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version
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06:53.53SilverWolfJucato, oki thanks :D As in... it should really really not be used?
06:54.03JucatoSilverWolf: also, if you're more interested in how it "looks", there's nothing to see yet. KDE 4 still currently uses KDE 3 styles, icons, decorations
06:54.27JucatoSilverWolf: if you mean "used" as in everyday, regular, normal end-user "used", then definitely no
06:54.28SilverWolfah  :) Exactly what i wanted. A little tired of gnome and wanted to check some of the new stuff
06:54.56SilverWolfhehe, a few mishaps here and there does not annoy me :) hehe
06:55.16Jucatowe're not talking about just a few mishaps
06:55.44Jucatowe're talking about things not building every now and then. that and you mostly have to compile everything from svn
06:56.00SilverWolfah yes. :) Hm, ill give it a try. Just for kicks
06:56.40Jucatoyou can. just keep in mind that it's called "unstable version" for a reason
06:57.13SilverWolfyeap :) Thanks for the link and help
06:57.24Jucatoalso, not an absolute requirement, but it's presumed you have a basic knowledge of compiling stuff... and lots of luck :P
06:57.35SilverWolfgentoo overlays makes it a little easier to get up and running
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06:57.47SilverWolfyes yes no problem hehe :)
06:58.18Jucatohm... I'd suggest following that guide to the letter... not sure if Gentoo's overlays cover KDE 4 well...
06:58.31icwienerFor all who except visual changes at this point o development, I made a screenshot from the last week svn... so maybe some decide to spend the time otherwise, since there is nothing breathtaking to see. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6879/kde4cn7.png :d
06:58.38SilverWolfokay, dammit :D Gonna be a interesting morning
06:59.06Jucatoicwiener: dragging Dolphin's panels around is something I consider breathtaking  lol
06:59.15SilverWolficwiener, is the vector implemented for faster rendering?
06:59.57icwienerdunno. it's pretty slow atm, but that's not a surprise.
07:00.29pankeylol
07:00.30Jucato:)
07:00.33SilverWolfhehe
07:00.57pankeyplastik looks sexier
07:00.59JucatoI could never get Konsole to launch from the menu or the panel... only from Run Command... in KDE 4...
07:01.17pankeytoo bad im using beryl :s
07:01.43Jucatopankey: can't Beryl use KWin themes/decorations using Aquamarine?
07:02.07pankeynever tried aquamarine yet
07:02.12Jucatohm.. glad to see I'm not the only one that has the underlines in the icon names...
07:02.19icwienerJucato: Yes, Konsole doesn' run atm. Logout neither. ;)
07:02.24pankeylol
07:02.38Jucatoicwiener: oh kool... thought I did something strange with it. lol
07:02.41Jucatoyeah, logout doesn't work
07:02.58pankeyim not even sure which emerald theme im using atm :<
07:03.37icwienerYesterday it broke my keyboard, so I couldn't even kill X... I was so glad that there weren't any unsaved changes in my first X screen. :D
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07:04.19pankeyAdonis_Mod
07:04.23Jucatoand I don't know how to make konvi build on KDE 4...
07:04.33Jucato_which means I'm stuck with irssi for the moment :P
07:05.02icwienerhehe
07:05.27icwienerI guess you have to read about cmake and convert the whole project to a cmake project.
07:05.30Jucato_pardon the clone... just couldn't resist playing around in Xephyr :D
07:05.41Jucato_hah! I'd rather wait for Sho :P
07:05.42pankeyxephyr?
07:06.10Jucato_pankey: lets you run an X session within another X session
07:06.25pankeyooo nice
07:06.33pankeyanyone tried KVM in .20 kernel yet?
07:07.47Jucato_icwiener: is your K Menu a mess as well?
07:07.56icwienerdefine "a mess"
07:08.18Jucato_hm... an entry in lost and found, a Settings sub menu...
07:08.45Jucato_some stuff appearing twice under Utilities
07:08.46icwieneryes
07:08.51Jucato_ah kool :)
07:08.53pankeyhaha
07:09.21Jucato_thanks. now I feel more comfortable, knowing I didn't mess them up myself :)
07:09.27icwienerBut you cannot make so many mistakes anyways.
07:09.52Jucato_oh knowing myself, I can make so many mistakes... :P
07:11.02icwienerIt's hard to break the menu structure by typing "cmakekde foo" ;)
07:11.31Jucato_oh but those are not the only stuff I did... played around with the env vars too :D
07:12.49QMarioHAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!
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07:14.23pankeyuh
07:14.25pankeywtf
07:14.37pankeyi plugged in my headphones, and i heard a sound
07:14.54icwienerJucato_: O, funny thing. I had to install kde3.5 again and I couldn't get it running for about two hours (X refused to start and gave me no error)... finally I found out, that X actually started but then kde couldn't start due to missing KDEDIRS and missing kde bin path in PATH... damn thing is that while building I just said to myself, that I know what I am doing and decided that I do not need the Vars. ;)
07:16.06Jucato_icwiener: heh... env vars... somehow I've grown to dislike them a bit... messy stuff... :P
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07:16.14pankeyo nvm its gaim heh
07:16.30pankeyanyone set up a webcam?
07:17.04Jucato_ah just for the heck of it...
07:17.55icwienerwaaaa, the motor of my dvd drive just stopped working!
07:18.06Jucatouh oh...
07:18.11pankeykick it!
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07:18.24Jucatodefinitely not good...
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07:18.48icwienerHmm... maybe I try to build in a motor of one of my old cd drives. :D
07:19.16Jucatoooh...
07:19.19icwienerbtw: it's the tray motor, not the spinning one.
07:19.33Jucatoah that one... I'm having problems with mine as well
07:19.49Jucatothe tray I mean
07:20.36Jucatowow
07:20.42icwienerWhat does yours do?
07:20.46JucatoI'm depressed
07:20.49Jucatoer.. impressed
07:20.53icwienerlol
07:20.54pankeylol
07:20.56icwienerNo need.
07:21.18Jucatowhat it *doesn't* do is open... if I press the button or issue the command, it tries to open, but somehow gets stuck...
07:21.37Jucatosometimes after 3-4 tries, it opens. sometimes I have to stick in a pin in the hole...
07:21.40icwienerIt's a normal job... you have to learn 3.5 years, then you forget everything you learned while being unempleyed... and then you get another job somewhere. ;)
07:22.31JucatoI don't know if I could consider any job related to electronics or computers "normal" :P
07:23.20icwienerDuring my apprenticeship I mostly changed lightbulbs...
07:23.29icwienerThat was the practical part.
07:23.54icwienerIn the theoretical part we learned some interesting stuff, though.
07:24.59Jucatohehe! I loved electronics and playing around those kind of stuff when I was a kid up to high school... it all changed when the fluorescent bulb I changed exploded (almost hit me with shattered glass) when I switched the lights on...
07:25.54icwienerwhoops
07:27.12icwienerI got my first serious surge when I was 8. I found a screwdriver and was wondering, why lamps can be switched on and off by hitting a little plastic thing. ;)
07:28.09icwienerBack then I thought I was punished for playing with things I was not allowed to play with. ;)
07:29.01Jucatoheh
07:29.36JucatoI wasn't afraid of surges before that bulb accident... now I'm scared of even a slight shock/ground from the computer...
07:30.01Jucatowhich actually sucks, since I need to do a lot of work with computers...
07:30.17Jucatoyay last CD and I'm off to bed
07:31.23Jucatowhich just supports the evidence that you're mildly not human...
07:31.31icwienerhehe
07:31.35Renzetell me something I don't know :P
07:31.59Jucatohm... do you know that most people don't know that you're mildly not human? :)
07:32.24Renzebut I do know that most people don't care
07:32.43Jucatooh that's something you don't know as well :P
07:33.09Renzethe engine that drives the universe is called "enlightened self-interest"
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07:33.16Jucatoheh
07:34.36icwienerYay! dvd drive is working again. :D
07:35.32Jucato:O
07:35.51Jucatohmm...
07:35.58icwienerThe 12v line was just dead...
07:36.20RenzeJucato: when you add them :D
07:36.31Jucatohah
07:36.32pankeylol
07:36.36icwienerdare you!
07:37.46JucatoRenze: I tend to code pages myself, but sometimes, I really just want to drag things around...
07:38.22icwienerlike the matrix screen :)
07:38.26Jucatoemphasizing the fact that you're mildly... oh nvm...
07:38.37Renze"blonde... brunette... redhead..."
07:38.41icwieneractually the matric screensaver tells a very good story. ;)
07:38.54icwiener*matrix
07:38.58RenzeJucato: yes I know, I'm a freak
07:40.10Jucato:)
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07:57.51abdusabriHi, When trying to configure (xgl), i had this error and tried searching the web, any ideas :)
07:57.53abdusabricompiz-kde: Depends: compiz (= 0.0.2-4ubuntu2) but 1:0.3.3-0ubuntu2~git2006112~edgy1 is to be installed
07:58.17Jucatoabdusabri: no reply from #ubuntu-xgl? we don't really support compiz/beryl here
07:58.23Renzecompiz is not part of KDE
07:58.45abdusabriJucato,  yup no reply :(
07:59.28Jucatoabdusabri: well then, you'd just have to wait until someone does... it's around 12mn-3am in the US and early new year's morning in most parts of the world...
07:59.33JamesB192It vaugely reminds me of a bent package tree.
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08:00.12abdusabriJucato, sorry, and thanx for helping :)
08:01.56Renzeyou're 21 hours late
08:02.12RenzeMon Jan  1 21:01:50 NZDT 2007
08:02.41JucatoRenze: the world does not revolve around New Zealand...
08:02.46Jucatoonly Middle-earth does :P
08:02.58Renzegood thing I live in Middle Earth then ;)
08:03.27JamesB192Is it true the paved the shire?
08:03.38Renzenope, it's still farmland
08:03.55Renzeit has been taken over by the sheep, though
08:04.18Jucatokill the sheep!!!
08:06.55Renzethere are plenty of trolls around... but now they drive cars with cut suspension and loud stereos
08:08.39JamesB192I hate those guys. I wish someone would come out with a way to disable/destroy their speakers.
08:09.03Renzefocussed microwaves
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08:44.53computerdoes anyone use kmldonkey?
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08:48.39pankeyhey
08:48.53pankeyis there anyway to set a window to always be on top?
08:48.58pankeylike amaroks player window
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08:49.29icwienerpankey: Alt+F3
08:49.35icwienerlook at the menu
08:49.48pankeyi mean like everytime i load up kde
08:49.51pankeyit always resets
08:50.19pankeyim using emerald too btw
08:50.31icwienerIn the Window Properties or Window behaviour, maybe
08:50.38icwienerWhat ever emerald is...
08:50.39Jucatooh...
08:50.46Jucatothat won't work icwiener
08:50.47pankeyaiglx, beryl
08:50.52Jucatohe's not using KWin
08:50.54pankeyyea
08:51.05icwienerThen it's not a KDE question. ;)
08:51.11Jucatoso basically, the issue isn't for KDE
08:51.14Jucatooh snap
08:51.26pankeywell with kwin it didnt work either :<
08:51.50pankeyi would always have to manually toggle it on all desktops and on top of others :/
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08:53.28kde4-develyay kool!
08:53.30icwienerI can do it with the window specific properties
08:53.57pankeyand it remains after logging out and back in?
08:54.38icwienerYes
08:54.41pankeyhm
08:54.42Jucato_hi icwiener! hi Sho_
08:55.15icwienerHi Jucato_ (from konversation/kde4?)
08:55.29Jucato_yesh... didn't know I could simply run it lol
08:55.30pankeyspecial window settings?
08:55.35icwienerlool
08:55.35pankeyor just normal menu?
08:56.00icwienerpankey: I do not know the english name. It's in kcontrol.
08:56.01Jucato_pankey: Beryl probably has its own special settings
08:56.07pankeyim using kwin now
08:56.12pankeyu can switch back and forth
08:56.22Jucato_ah Alt+F3 -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings
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08:56.48icwienerOh, I didn't know that way to get there. :)
08:57.29pankeythats the way i used lol
08:57.31Jucato_:O
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09:00.40Sho_icwiener: It's a pretty convenient way to get there since it detects certain properties automatically and fills them in
09:01.16icwienerYes. I used the button in kcontrol to detect things.
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09:01.34Jucato_I find Alt+F3 more reliable than that button :)
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09:02.06Jucato_hm... seems like I can't use the GUI to configure Konvi... cannot talk to klauncher :)
09:03.18computer!kde4
09:03.25Sho_Jucato_: The KDE3 environment services probably don't start up properly due to naming conflicts
09:03.35Jucato_oh :)
09:03.55Jucato_nvm... knowing that I could run Konvi is satisfaction enough :)
09:08.48Jucatotime to take a quick nap :)
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09:12.42pankeygn
09:13.04makuseruwhen is KDE 4 suspose to be released?
09:13.36pankeyheh
09:13.39pankey2007
09:13.39pankey:P
09:13.50makuseruha
09:13.51Renzesecond half of this year
09:14.13makuserureally?
09:14.20makuserupast june?
09:14.30Renzethere are no confirmed dates yet
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09:14.37makuserui thought there were
09:14.40pankeycant rush greatness
09:14.41pankeyimo
09:15.29Renzemakuseru: http://developernew.kde.org/Schedules/KDE_4.0_Release_Schedule
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09:19.47Sho_pankey: Especially when there's no manpower to be rushed ;)
09:20.08icwienerSho_: Don't talk! Code!
09:20.18Sho_yes, sir :(
09:20.28icwienerAnd smile!
09:20.32icwiener:D
09:20.49pankeylol
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09:48.49TechdeckHey guys, is there some KDE tool like 'kdat' that handles DLT tapes?
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10:06.43Jucatoicwiener: code *and* smile? is that even possible? :)
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10:11.36icwienerJucato: For me it's actually code and moan but compile and smile. :D
10:12.06obsethrylhmm where can i find the default icon color palette for kde4 ?
10:12.13Jucatoisn't that supposed to be code and moan, compile and groan, run and smile? :)
10:12.52obsethryland happy new year everyone :)
10:13.53icwienerJucato: No, I am always pretty happy while compile runs (only on own things where compiling max runs one minute or so). :)
10:14.37makuseruare there any links on how-to's for making bootsplashes or login screens?
10:15.02Jucatoobsethryl: http://www.kde-artists.org/Oxygen-palette
10:15.10obsethrylJucato: thanks
10:15.55Jucatomakuseru: bootsplashes are out of the realm of KDE. KSPlash splash screens are (there's a tutorial in the KDE User Guide or the KSPlash manual). KDM Themes, I'm not so sure
10:16.50makuserualright
10:16.56makuserusorry for puttin it in the wrong channel
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10:18.27Jucatonah, it's the correct place to ask (aside for the bootsplash)
10:18.47makuseruoh ok
10:18.54makuseruKDM theme is the login right?
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10:19.36Jucatoyep
10:19.51makuseruis there a howto on that?
10:19.58icwienerassuming KDE is used to login
10:20.05icwiener*KDM
10:20.08Jucato:)
10:20.22makuseruyes
10:20.29Jucatomakuseru: try Google... haven't seen one yet
10:20.33makuseruah
10:20.37makuserukdm howto?
10:20.47JucatoKDM *theme* howto...
10:21.06makuseruwill do
10:21.21Jucatoit's possible not to use a theme for KDM, and you'll get a plain login box similar to MEPIS or PCLinuxOS
10:22.39icwienerYay, Holiday Special in JPod about New Years greetings. :D
10:22.47icwienerake mashite omedetou gosai masu :)
10:24.17JucatoLinux_Galore: finally got a pic of my "workplace" and some of the books I was able to buy for a nice deal :)
10:24.21Jucatohttp://jucato.org/gallery/v/photos/room/
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10:24.42Jucatostill want to buy a Qt book... dunno how I'll ask my folks...
10:27.08WindowsUninstallAnyone know where Can I find good QtDBUS documentation?
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10:28.54jackleanyone here that is in #suse also?
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10:30.43Jucatotsk tsk... /away messages :P
10:31.16WindowsUninstallHi sredna
10:31.20WindowsUninstallsredna, Happy new year
10:31.27srednaHELP
10:31.34WindowsUninstallsredna, ?
10:31.34srednaI'm using designer :(
10:32.02WindowsUninstallsredna, Do you like designer?
10:32.07srednaIt maximized my form, and after I unmaximized it, I can't get a hold on the handle to move it
10:32.12srednaI hate designer
10:32.25WindowsUninstallsredna, :D
10:32.33srednaIt's making me feel insecure, for MANY reasons
10:32.43srednaI think designer SUCKS
10:32.46WindowsUninstallsredna, I don't use too desinger :)
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10:33.20srednaDAMNED
10:33.23WindowsUninstallsredna, My apps UIs are designed by code written by hand :)
10:33.29icwienerWomen can also let one feel inscure... doesn't mean, they suck.
10:33.39WindowsUninstallicwiener, lol
10:33.42srednaicwiener: Well, i don't eiter
10:33.44Jucato:P
10:33.45srednaEither
10:33.51srednadesigner sucks
10:33.55WindowsUninstalllol
10:33.56icwienerWell, not THAT suck. ;)
10:34.14srednaFor example, now I can't move my widget in the work area because it stole the handle
10:34.23icwienersredna: Oh, you are a woman? In that case, I meant men. :)
10:34.29Jucatois there any other alternative to QtDesigner? something like KDesigner? :(
10:34.45sredna<PROTECTED>
10:34.51Jucatolol
10:35.08WindowsUninstallJucato, Yes
10:35.17icwienerUps, no one. ;)
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10:35.24srednaJucato: Kdevelop has one, but I believe it's just designer that is reused
10:35.26WindowsUninstallJucato, I seen something like it
10:35.33Jucatoah
10:35.44srednaAnd there is something in the kexi project, I tried it some while ago
10:35.48WindowsUninstallbut is based on the Qt designer
10:35.51srednaBut I don't know if I have it
10:36.23srednaDAMNED
10:36.32WindowsUninstallsredna, I'm hating DBUS, I can't find documentation
10:36.35srednaEven after restarting the crab it's broken
10:36.50srednaI don't deal with dbus so far
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10:37.02WindowsUninstallI found only this: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/intro-to-dbus.html
10:37.13srednaI'm writing an app in KDE 3, because I need to use it
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10:37.43Jucatoah KDevelop Designer
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10:38.09srednaNow I got the handle back, but designer is buggy in addition to it's unniceness
10:38.13Jucatoheh looks *a lot* like QtDesigner... so must be using it... (even the background...)
10:38.23srednaIt is designer
10:38.30Jucatoheheh :)
10:38.40srednaRecently it became possible to link to the designer library
10:38.46icwienerJucato: I heard, that they use the qt designer in KDevelop because kdevelop designer didn't work very well.
10:38.55Jucatooh
10:39.06srednaIt didn't
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10:42.46srednaDesigner isn't working very bad, it's just annoying to use
10:43.37srednaI use it for learning and because it's considered good taste in kde development
10:44.16icwienerIs it?
10:44.27srednaHappy newyears all btw :)
10:44.51icwienerJucato: YOur turn. :P
10:45.10srednaicwiener: Yes, because it makes it easy for other project members to work on forms, and makes it possible for usability people to experiment
10:45.22icwienersredna: Well, happy new year either. :)
10:45.43Jucatoicwiener: like I said, I'm not going to
10:45.56icwienersredna: Yes. I was just wondering, if there was a discussion over that on some ML.
10:46.01icwienerJucato: ;)
10:46.25Jucatoicwiener: and it's all because of you
10:47.11srednaicwiener: I'm not sure there was some big discussion
10:48.25WindowsUninstallsredna, Ah. I've some question/some thing to tell to you about syntax files
10:48.40icwienerWell, the year is not even 12h old and I gor an /ignore and got so. not wishing other peolpe a happy new yesr. I hope it's getting better the next few hundred hours. :)
10:48.45srednaWindowsUninstall: Shoot :)
10:49.26srednaSigh
10:49.42WindowsUninstall1)  I don't use anymore the mail address in my monobasic syntax file
10:49.47srednaSince I'm not feeling particularly wellcome here, speak in #kate, WindowsUninstall
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10:50.03Jucato:O
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10:52.06Jucato...
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10:54.55TheGateKeeperany inspired guesses of what I need to install to get the Qt documentation in KDevelop, got everything else but that (I am using gentoo)?
10:55.56Jucatohm...
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10:57.49icwienerMaybe it's not the best idea to make a girl joke with ambiguous wording in attendance of a girl even if it's accidental (in two ways).
10:58.27Jucatohm... Anders Lund?
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10:59.27Jucatoicwiener: http://kate-editor.org/people/anders_lund
10:59.28icwienerHmm?
10:59.37Jucato:P
10:59.51icwienerlool, definitely lost in translation. ;)
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11:00.34TechdeckHey guys, is there some KDE tool like 'kdat' that handles DLT tapes?
11:03.46JucatoTheGateKeeper: hm... which doc in KDevelop?
11:04.56TheGateKeeperJucato, the Qt documentation
11:06.05JucatoTheGateKeeper: hm... don't you have anything like a qt3-doc package/ebuild/something in Gentoo?
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11:06.09Techdeck:S
11:06.24TechdeckIs there a normal GUI application that handles DLT tapes?
11:06.26TechdeckANYONE?
11:06.49Belegdolwhy don't you search freshmeat?
11:06.53BelegdolI always do se when looking for apps
11:06.57Belegdols/se/so
11:07.09TheGateKeeperJucato, let me have a look, stupid thing is everything else is there including GTK
11:07.39Jucatothe Qt Reference Documentation, Qt Designer Manual, Qt Assistant Manual seems to be taken locally from that, at least on Kubuntu. other docs seem to be fetched from online sites
11:07.42TechdeckBelegdol:   0 projects found
11:07.42TechdeckNo matches.
11:07.57icwienerTheGateKeeper: Doesn't your KDevelop get the docs from the web?
11:07.59Belegdolunlucky...
11:08.08Techdeckif kdat supported DLT it would be nice
11:08.09Techdeckbut noo :p
11:09.07TheGateKeepericwiener, well if it does there are no links for the Qt stuff
11:09.38TheGateKeeperdev-libs/dbus-qt3-old <--- is all it returns for 'qt3'
11:09.40Jucatoicwiener: some are taken locally
11:09.53JucatoTheGateKeeper: maybe qt-doc?
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11:10.31TheGateKeeperJucato, nope :-(  nice try grrrr
11:10.39Jucatohooray for different "package" names across different distros! :)
11:11.29Jucatoand hooray for lagging connections!!!
11:12.16TheGateKeeperohh well we have family coming round so I will have to look into this another time
11:12.32TheGateKeeperthanx Jucato for your inspired guesses
11:12.47icwienerTheGateKeeper: Try http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=qt+doc (a pity that the descriptions in Gentoo are so rare
11:13.13Jucatohm... dev-util? kdoc?
11:13.49TheGateKeeperyes I have looked in dev-util but can't see a likely candidate
11:14.26TheGateKeeperthanx Jucato & icwiener for trying :-)
11:15.04TheGateKeepera bit wierd that ALL the other documentation is there except Qt
11:15.52TheGateKeeperI have it on my kubutu install, so will have to use that until I can resolve the issue
11:16.02TheGateKeeperthanx guys, got to go
11:16.11icwienercu
11:16.25Jucatohttp://www.gentoo-portage.com/dev-util/kdoc
11:17.35icwiener"KDOC extracts specially formatted documentation and information about your classes from the class' header or IDL files, and generates cross-referenced HTML, LaTeX or Man pages from it."
11:17.37Jucatomaybe you have to generate the docs yourself?
11:17.38TheGateKeeperkdoc-2.0_alpha54  hmmm
11:17.57computeri installed kbfx for start button and used its background for panel bar, is there anyway to make the panel bar transparent while also keeping the kbfx background? (or i guess in other words make the kbfx background also transparent)
11:18.15TheGateKeeperJucato, ok thanx :-)
11:18.35TheGateKeeperJucato, nice one :-)
11:18.43computeror i guess my question is, can i have a user defined background for panel bar that is also turned transparent :)
11:19.15JucatoTheGateKeeper: is that it?
11:19.56TheGateKeeperJucato, not sure, like I said got family coming round so will have to take a look latter
11:20.08Jucatooh ok. good luck then! :)
11:20.19Jucatotoo bad the Gentoo experts seem to be unround
11:20.21TheGateKeeperJucato, thanx anyway, will let you know when I have more time
11:20.50TheGateKeeperJucato, thanx for your help
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11:33.34shinobi2hi people
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11:34.54shinobi2Jucato: hey you are not supposed to notices my presences
11:35.40Jucatoyou're not supposed to announce it either ;)
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11:37.42Jucatodinner time :)
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11:48.27eilkeri have problem with kget, when i reboot pc , it resumes download without any problem, my internet connection is bad, i oftenly disconnect from internet and re-connects automatically, and kget doesnt resume, i need to press "go on" everytime..when i am not awake, i cant download because of this problem...any help pls ?
11:52.16eilkeror do i have chance to use any other program similar to kget ?
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12:18.35_ataxiceilker: wget?  
12:20.15eilkerataxic: someone told me "d4x" downloading it now
12:20.27ataxicow right
12:20.38ataxici always use wget nothing else
12:20.38eilkerthanx
12:20.53eilkerataxic: i have big downloads...
12:20.54ataxicdownloader for X ?
12:20.57ataxicso
12:21.08ataxici download big things with wget
12:21.24ataxicwhich you can resume
12:21.44eilkerand wget is cli , i am not sure if it supports resume automatically,?
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12:21.53eilkerand 4-5 downloads at the moment ?
12:23.11ataxicwell it has -c
12:23.14icwienerwget has to be run with -c to resume if possible.
12:23.15ataxicthat resumes
12:23.36eilkerthanx friends
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12:24.39Jucatohm... icwiener, you seem to be online longer than usual..
12:25.06icwienerlonger? It's about high noon here. :)
12:25.22Jucato:)
12:25.53Jucatowow
12:26.01icwienerIt's really easy.
12:26.10Jucatowow
12:26.11Jucato:)
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12:26.38icwienerI hate myself for typing long g++ calls the last weeks. :)
12:27.07Jucatowhat are aliases for? :P
12:27.23Kasyx:-D
12:27.55icwienerJucato: I had to compile several files at a time. So I had to type the filenames (with tab completion though) :)
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12:29.23icwienerI had a little shall script to avoid typing th "-o" once. Then I forgot about the "-o" thing, typed the command for my project and one of my source files was deleted (overwritten with the binary). Since then I rather type more. :)
12:29.30icwiener*shell
12:29.50Jucatothe things that a traumatic experience can do to you,eh?
12:30.05icwieneryeah
12:30.07Jucatolike fluorescent bulbs exploding...
12:30.17icwienerhhe
12:30.18icwienerhehe
12:30.40icwienerWhat btw is a fluorescent bulb *googles*
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12:31.03icwienerAh!
12:31.29Jucatowe still use those things here... well, mostly... :)
12:33.30icwienerJucato: We had a supermarket across the street where I grew up. My brother and I always played over there. We found "those tubes" over there and played with them too. Suddenly one of then "puffed" because it hit the ground. We were very scared back then. :)
12:33.50Jucatoicwiener: then you definitely know how it feels like :)
12:33.51icwienerJucato: But my traume just went by, some day.
12:33.59Jucatomine was accompanied by a spart
12:34.04Jucatospark*
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12:34.57icwienerJucato: Become a electrician. It helps getting over those things. :)
12:35.27Jucatoheh! I've already too much in my mind right now... I don't have the luxury of studying that, too
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12:40.42Jucatois tellico the only KDE collection manager available? or is there something else?
12:41.08thiagojuk and amarok can handle music collections too
12:41.33Kasyxamarok is nice.
12:41.44Jucatothiago: how about general collections? I'm more interested in books, CD's, vidoes, etc.
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12:43.33Jucatohm... looks like it's svn is hosted at novell. interesting :)
12:44.10Kasyxsvn makes my brain hurt. :-( The svn kopete doesn't work for me *sob* And I need it to do yahoo webcam!
12:44.26thiagoKasyx: it works here
12:44.54KasyxI changed the ebuild to point to the new locaton, but I get http://rafb.net/p/94i9MN56.html as an error
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12:45.36JucatoKasyx: from trunk or branch? I think trunk contains the version that uses Qt 4?
12:45.41Kasyxbranch
12:45.48KasyxI don't know too much about this svn thing
12:46.04KasyxUsually if it's in portage I'm happy.
12:47.08thiagoKasyx: don't use ebuild. Just build directly.
12:47.32Kasyxthiago: I have no idea how to do that, or how to subsequently get rid of it. Portage does packages management too, see
12:47.49thiagoinstall it somewhere where nothing else is installed
12:47.49KasyxIs this http://kopete.kde.org/svnaccess.php the thing?
12:47.58thiagotherefore, to remove it, it's a simple rm -rf
12:48.11KasyxAh ok. What about linking to dependancies and things?
12:48.21thiagoyes, that's the thing
12:48.27icwienerKasyx: Your second option is to go to #gentoo and ask if the ebuild has to be customised.
12:48.28thiagoKasyx: you're supposed to install the dependencies
12:48.51KasyxYeah, I have done, but don't I have to link to them?
12:49.03Jucatoyep. installing/uninstalling from SVN or source is quite easy if you remember to install it in some other directory...
12:49.05Kasyxicwiener: hmm, true.
12:49.05thiagoKasyx: you can't build a program without linking to its dependencies
12:49.32KasyxOk
12:49.45JucatoKasyx: if you have the dependencies already installed, you'll be able to ./configure properly. it will complain if dependencies aren't met
12:50.02KasyxOk. I do it as root, I imagine?
12:50.07thiagono
12:50.09thiagoas a user
12:50.15KasyxOh, ok
12:50.25JucatoKasyx: no. specially if you're not going to install it in /usr
12:50.37KasyxI can see this going horribly wrong >.< I haven't manually installed anything in 5 years
12:50.44KasyxThat's why I picked gentoo heh
12:50.49thiagowhich is why you should do it as a user
12:50.54JucatoKasyx: most of the time, compiled programs are installed in some other place other than /usr
12:51.03thiagoyou can't fsck up your system if you're not root
12:51.09KasyxAh, ok
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12:51.28KasyxWhat about the files and stuff? How do I prepare for the installation?
12:51.38Jucato<PROTECTED>
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12:52.05thiagoprepare what?
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12:52.30Kasyxthiago: well, what files do I need to collect and where do I put them
12:52.30Jucatoor was that builddir != installdir??
12:52.42RLahey, how do recursively sort ALL bookmarks, atm i can only select one top-level folder and recursively sort it, kde version is 3.4.2
12:52.50thiagoKasyx: aside from "make install"?
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12:53.04JucatoKasyx: you don't need to collect any files. just install the dependencies before hand, then run those svn commands
12:53.13Kasyxthiago: yes, everything. Like I said, I haven't manually installed in ages, and even then only once
12:53.27KasyxRun them from a user account, in /home?
12:53.35thiagoKasyx: all you need is "make install"
12:53.37JucatoKasyx: basically, the svn co (checkout) will download the the source file from the KDE SVN repository in to the current directory
12:53.47thiagomake sure you ran ./configure with --prefix=$HOME/kopete
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12:54.05Jucatoor wherever you want kopete to be installed
12:54.08Kasyxok
12:54.35thiagoright, but it has to be somewhere inside $HOME
12:54.47thiagoor somewhere where your user has the right to write
12:55.48KasyxJucato: what's that?
12:56.05thiagoit means the source code is in a directory
12:56.15thiagothe built uninstalled code is in another
12:56.20thiagoand the installation goes into a third one
12:56.38Jucatothere, he said it more beautifully than me :)
12:56.42thiago~/src/kde3, ~/obj/kde3 and /usr/local/kde3
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12:56.56thiago~/src/kde4, ~/obj/kde4, ~/KDE4
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12:57.13JucatoI download the source file in one directory, perform the configure/make/make install in another, use the --prefix option to install all files (bin, share, etc), in another directory
12:57.29KasyxAh right. Sounds logical, but complicated.
12:57.43KasyxAnd this is only till they fix the bug in the non-svn version
12:57.45thiagoKasyx: it's in fact easier once you get used to it
12:57.49JucatoKasyx: actually it makes the installation cleaner and easier to manage... without portage :P
12:58.02KasyxI just hope they fixed the formatting toolbar bug in this one too
12:58.24Jucatoyou need to update the source packages? just update the sourcedir. you need to rebuild from scratch, just delete the builddir...
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12:59.19icwienerKasyx: Since the formatting toolbar bug is ther for about three month, I guess it's not that easy to fix.
12:59.36Kasyxicwiener: there is a patch for it already
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12:59.49icwienerKasyx: Oh, good to hear.
13:00.00Kasyxicwiener: yeah, so I'm hoping it's been included in this
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13:03.19Justinlwoof woof
13:04.21JucatoKasyx: you can check if the patch has been uploaded to svn. usually the bug report/comment mentions something. it'll save you some hairs if you check first before going through the hassles of building
13:04.31Jucato(but being a Gentoo user, I'm sure you're already used to that :P
13:04.40Kasyxused to what?
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13:05.15Jucatobuilding (or pulling your hair over building)
13:05.33KasyxWhy? It does it all for me :-D
13:05.42Jucato:)
13:05.47Jucatospoiled :)
13:06.52icwienerhttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127176 Seems not to be closed.
13:07.20icwiener(I guess they would close that one when the patch is comitted)
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13:08.33Jucatono indication of a patch either... Kasyx, maybe you have another bug report link?
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13:08.42benJImanThere is a patch on the mailing list
13:08.55benJImanThe patch was from before the 0.12 release, it was never committed
13:08.58KasyxTHat's the one
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13:09.44Jucatooh that's the problem then... if it's not committed, it's not in svn afaik
13:10.05Kasyxok,so is there anyway to apply the patch before I build the svn?
13:10.15JucatoKasyx: but you can download the svn version, apply that patch, and build that patched kopete
13:10.17thiagoyes, of course
13:10.28thiagoprovided the patch still applies
13:10.42KasyxOk, Now I can do patches with ebuilds, but I don't know how to do them from a file
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13:11.30JucatoKasyx: hm... maybe you can ask in #gentoo. I'm sure they have a way to apply patches without having to compile from source/svn
13:11.48KasyxBut I'm not doing it the gentoo way
13:11.55icwienercopy the patch to the kopete dir, go to the dir and type "patch -p0 <patch.diff"
13:12.07KasyxThat it?
13:12.24Jucatoicwiener: in Gentoo?
13:12.30icwienerYes. If it doesn't work with the newest svn, it will fail, though
13:12.34KasyxJucato: that's all the ebuild does
13:12.39icwienerJucato: It's not the gentoo way.
13:12.54Jucatoalso provided the patch was meant to be applied in the parent/main kopete dir, right?
13:13.02KasyxDo I do this before make -f Makefile.cvs?
13:13.08Justinldoes anyone know of an electronics calculator package for KDE ?
13:13.16Kasyxkcalc
13:13.26JustinlIe One to calculate ballast resistors for leds etc ..
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13:13.29icwienerJucato: Well, that's a thing I am not really sure about. Here it always worked so far. ;)
13:13.55JucatoI think the patch file mentions where the patch command should be applied
13:14.05KasyxOk, so I've got the patch, I put that in the same folder as everything else?
13:15.01icwienerJucato: Do you have any non-KDE application in mind? I would like to see something like that (and do not know it for KDE).
13:15.16Jucatoicwiener: huh?
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13:15.35icwienerJucato: sorry. ;) Justinl was meant. :)
13:15.45Jucatoheh you had me worried
13:16.52icwienerJustinl: Do you?
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13:17.29adamtWhy does KDE host the ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US flashmovie? :-)
13:17.38adamthttp://static.kdenews.org/mirrors/malte.homeip.net/base.swf
13:18.01thiagoit must've been used in a dot story, I think
13:18.18Jucatoicwiener: you mean you don't know one? shame on you! :P
13:18.31thiagoadamt: is that a problem?
13:18.37adamtthiago: Not at all
13:18.58thiagoI have no idea why we're mirroring Malte's webserver, though...
13:19.05adamtExcept for the obvious "we support non-free software statement" it makes.  :-)
13:19.17icwienerJucato: ?
13:19.25thiagobecause it's flash?
13:19.32JustinlIc :)  sorry I was looking for a file ..
13:19.35adamtYup.
13:19.45JustinlThere was a really good package for dos that I used to use ..
13:19.49Jucatoicwiener: an electronics caclulator... bah nvm...
13:19.56thiagoadamt: yeah...
13:20.02Justinland somebody showed me a windows app once ..
13:20.04thiagoadamt: I hope it's not used in a dot story
13:20.09thiagoadamt: can you tell us how you found out about it?
13:20.11Justinlbut because I didn't need it right then ..
13:20.12icwienerJucato: You mean, because I learned that stuff? :)
13:20.17JustinlI forgot all about it ..
13:20.21Jucatoicwiener: yes :P
13:20.28adamtthiago: Yes, the wiki-site linked to the kdemirror of the movie.
13:20.38thiagowhich wiki-site?
13:20.41thiagowiki.kde.org?
13:20.44adamthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us - third link from the bottum.
13:20.45icwienerJucato: I have a formula collection and a normal calculator. ;)
13:20.46adamt*bottom.
13:21.05icwienerJustinl: Sound's a bit interesting though...
13:22.08icwiener-'
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13:23.49JustinlIt's kinda usefull if you can use a windows type interface ..  and change the various values without having to reinput all the data ..
13:24.22thiagoadamt: I'm bringing it to the attention of the dot editors
13:24.27icwienerJustinl: Was there a graph drawn for that as well?
13:24.29thiagoadamt: thanks for noticing it
13:24.38icwienerJustinl: Or only resulting values?
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13:25.16Justinlnot in any package I've seen ..
13:25.21Justinlbut it's a good idea ..
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13:26.07JustinlMy brain has gone off on a whole journey of possibilities ..
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13:26.20icwienerhehe
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13:26.43JustinlI've got (as most people have) a digital multimeter that will output the data as an rs232 stream /./
13:27.20icwienerWell, mine doesn't have that cool features. ;)
13:27.34JustinlI remember something very similar 20 years ago when I worked in an electronics factory ..
13:27.49JustinlBut now we could make it opensource ..
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13:29.26icwienerJustinl: I bet there are several programmes that do that. It sounds like a nice "first project" for a college student in a faculty like that.
13:29.39JustinlToo right ..
13:29.42adamtthiago: Okay.
13:30.11adamtbu-bye again.
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13:30.21JustinlI did do something with the Multimeter and logged the data from the temperature sensor on a Morris Minor
13:31.01JustinlI put into XL (Is mentioning MS products Swearing in here) and made a graph oif it ..
13:32.37icwienerFor that, kspread or OpenOffice Calc would work.
13:33.01JustinlIndeed ..
13:33.16icwienerAh! Now I got the XL thing. :)
13:33.41KasyxHahaha
13:33.48KasyxHaven't see that in ages
13:33.58Justinlseen what ?
13:34.02KasyxAll Your Base
13:34.19KasyxSorry, that's why I went quite :-P
13:34.23Justinlmy life that reminds me of the FC messageboard ..
13:34.24KasyxBit more fun that trying to patch this
13:34.29Justinlabout five years ago ..
13:35.10icwienerKasyx: Did the patch work?
13:36.04Kasyxicwiener: no idea ;-) Just going to start now. I'm not sure which folder to put it in
13:36.07KasyxAh, chatview.cpp
13:36.45icwienerJustinl: If you find any of those apps you used to use, please leave me a short note (link). I would like to have a look at it. :)
13:36.56JustinlI just found this as it happens ..
13:36.57icwienergoogle didn't get me some.
13:36.59Justinlhttp://www.csgnetwork.com/electronicsconverters.html
13:37.03icwienerhehe
13:37.21KasyxRight, so I move the patch file into the same folder as the file it patches, then do that patch command?
13:37.44icwienerKasyx: Does it only patch one file?
13:38.31KasyxNo, but the two files are both in the same directory
13:38.50icwienertry "patch -p0 <patchfile" then
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13:40.35icwienerJustinl: You know ktechlab? Maybe values can be calculated there too. :)
13:40.39KasyxWoot
13:40.43KasyxHad to manually tell it the files
13:40.52KasyxCause there were folders it wanted
13:40.54Kasyxokie
13:40.54thiagothat means it wasn't -p0
13:41.06KasyxNah, it was looking for old/filename
13:41.13KasyxSo I just fed it filename
13:41.41Justinl<PROTECTED>
13:42.06KasyxSo now just continue with make -f Makefile.cvs
13:42.07Kasyx?
13:42.32icwienerthiago: The -p says, how many steps patch shall go down the FS hierarchy before applying the patch?
13:42.47icwienerKasyx: Yes.
13:42.49thiagoicwiener: how many directories to remove from the patch's filenames
13:42.52thiago-p0 = remove none
13:43.02thiago-p0 and -p1 are the most common ones
13:43.03icwienerthiago: Ah, same effect. :)
13:43.06Kasyxthiago: ah, I see
13:43.17KasyxI have a few copies of kopete though, that wouldn't have been a goodt hing :-D
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13:46.10KasyxRight, this line "./configure --enable-debug" what do I need to change it to, to put it in /home/kasyx/kopete ?
13:46.23Jucato-p0 means that you're applying the patch exactly were the patch was made?
13:46.25Kasyx./configure --enable-debug --prefix=/home/kasyx/kopete ?
13:46.51oGALAXYoKasyx: that wont work
13:46.58icwienerIs --enable-debug and --enable-debug=full the same thing?
13:47.04thiagoJucato: -p0 means the files locally are named the exactly the same thing
13:47.05thiagoicwiener: no
13:47.09icwienerI always use the latter.
13:47.13thiago--enable-debug is equivalent to --enable-debug=yes
13:47.45Jucatoaah
13:47.50Jucatohm.. brb... :)
13:47.51oGALAXYoKasyx: the problem with that line is that you compile kopete into your own homedir.. if your base kde is in /usr for example then all plugins, libs, maybe icons, desktop files, kioslaves etc wont be recognized by the kde that resides in /usr.
13:48.28KasyxOh. Cause they were saying that would be ok to do *confused*
13:48.41oGALAXYowho said that ?
13:48.54KasyxMaybe I picked it up wrong
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13:49.26KasyxThis is only temporary until there is a version in portage that has both bug fixes :-)
13:49.35KasyxSo I want it to be easy to remove
13:49.38oGALAXYoit doesnt work even properly..
13:49.43oGALAXYoerr temporarely..
13:49.58oGALAXYoyou need to install kopete into the correct prefix of kde.
13:50.43Kasyxok
13:50.45oGALAXYoive even seen people who used own prefixes.. e.g. /opt/kde/kopete /opt/kde/konversation in hope that they can simply delete that dir and the programm is gone.. thats the biggest bullshit ive ever seen.. needless to say that the stuff wont even work properly.
13:51.16JamesB192If you have root on that Gentoo box, you might want to consider rolling your own ebuild (in an overlay) and submitting it as an enhancement. nah.
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13:51.26oGALAXYosince you need to register with dcop correctly. provide above said files etc.. its required for the base kde to find these files and these files exists in predefined directories..
13:52.20oGALAXYoif you use own prefixes or different paths for certain compiled files then be sure that KDE will not find these things.. at least not without "a shitload of tweaking".
13:52.21KasyxJamesB192: if I had a clue how to, I would.
13:52.27KasyxThe current svn ebuild doesn't work
13:55.47JamesB192I think it might involve adding a couple lines to the ebuild that look vaugely like 'epatch /path/to/patch', but you might try asking in #gentoo-dev-help
13:56.47KasyxJamesB192: nah, the original ebuild doesn't work. The svn path is wrong (which I fixed), it misses the format toolbar patch (which I added, go me!) but it fails later with this: http://rafb.net/p/94i9MN56.html
13:56.53KasyxI might get it going later
13:58.03thiagoKasyx: which SVN path did you set it to?
13:58.10Kasyxoh gods, erm
13:58.14Kasyxthe new one
13:58.16Kasyxbranches
13:58.22thiagowhich one, exactly?
13:58.32KasyxGah hold on :-P
13:58.38JamesB192It looks vaugely like its missing a Makefile
13:58.49thiagoit's missing Makefile.cvs
13:58.56thiagowhich means Kasyx probably set it to the wrong path
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13:59.32KasyxESVN_REPO_URI="svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork/kopete/"
13:59.40thiagowhat was it before?
14:00.01thiagooh, doesn't matter
14:00.06thiagogo one level up and it will work
14:00.11thiagosvn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork
14:00.14Kasyxo.o
14:00.16Kasyxyou're kidding
14:00.20thiagoI'm not
14:00.27KasyxOf course
14:00.33thiagoKDE applications must be checked out from the module's top dir
14:00.38Kasyxcause you are in kdenetwork when doing it manually >.<
14:00.42thiagootherwise, they don't build
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14:01.13thiagoif this ebuild is anywhere close to intelligent, it'll build only kopete
14:01.14Jucatosvn co -N svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork
14:01.21thiagoif it's intelligent enough, it'll download only kopete
14:01.48KasyxOk.
14:01.53KasyxWell I'll give that a go
14:02.02KasyxAh, need to ad the patchfile first, that's easy enough
14:02.05Jucatoif it's intelligent enough, it'll make me tea :)
14:02.50Kasyxoooh, tea.
14:02.51Kasyxbrb
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14:03.37KasyxCoke?
14:03.40thiagoJucato: kteatimer
14:03.56Jucatolol :)
14:04.17thiagobest application ever
14:04.29KasyxThat took me months to figure out what it did
14:04.33JamesB192No, diet Pepsi.l
14:04.46KasyxOoh, so brain _and_ tooth rot!
14:04.52KasyxBonus
14:05.43thiagohave you ever tried putting mentos inside Diet Coke bottles?
14:05.55KasyxBOOM?
14:05.59Jucatoyeah!!
14:06.11Jucatowell, actually in any carbonated drink :)
14:06.25JamesB192Didn't they do that on Mythbusters a couple of times?
14:06.33Jucatobut I actually like the taste that results from mixing mentos and coke :)
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14:14.38Justinlktechlab looks very interesting ..
14:14.47JustinlI'm just installing it now ..
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14:38.33KasyxOk, written an ebuild for it.
14:38.37KasyxGoing to try it now
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14:39.38Jucatogood luck
14:40.27JamesB192May you have written excellent code.
14:41.28KasyxHmm, it doesn't like the patch I added.
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14:42.31KasyxAs I thought, it can't find the files
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14:57.15mariuxdoes kmail have a bounce feature?
14:58.45hagabakayou could use the filter feature to let another program do it
15:01.28illogic-alJamesB192: developer.kde.org is about to be deprecated. Long live developernew.kde.org
15:02.17illogic-alhttp://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Stable_Version
15:03.43JamesB192FAQ item 4.16 refers to KDE2 which is I think no longer supported.
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15:05.38JucatoJamesB192: they'll probably go over those during the transition form d.k.o to dnew.k.o
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15:06.01Jucatoyou're also welcome to give your suggestions in #kde-www during fridays, which they have dubbed as Wiki Fridays
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15:08.07_mariuxwouldn't it be possible to make a web UI for doing translations of kde, significantly lowering the bar of entry
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15:10.09icwienerActually the bar of entry isn't that high.
15:10.34icwienerAt least if there is a team already existng.
15:11.42icwienerLet them give you files to translate (or proofread), use kbabel to edit them and then send them back to the coordinator.
15:12.01_mariuxok
15:12.27icwienerThe hardest part to learn is about how the "style" thing is handles by your team.
15:12.38icwiener*handled
15:12.46_mariuxstyle?
15:13.09icwienerWording.
15:13.12_mariuxahh i see
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15:34.00AciDis it possible to copy files from, say, a camera to the computer and keep the original creation date with konqueror?
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15:43.19JamesB192FAQ 19.3 EGCS became the official GCC.
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16:00.43is_nullhello everybody, why wouldn't adding KDEWM=fluxbox; export KDEWM before startkde in .xinitrc have any effect like not loading kwin please ? using startx to load xorg
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16:31.20MrnotHereBonne année tout le monde !
16:31.38annmaEnglish here please
16:31.53annma#kde-fr for French
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16:33.29Mrnotproperannma: sorry I did a /amsg ;)
16:33.44MrnotproperI forgot that I was on a english channel
16:33.52MrnotproperHappy new year ;)
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17:14.20elvirolohi everyone
17:15.17elviroloark's "Extract ..." entries don't appear in Konqueror's action menu ... why is that (i use debian sid) ?
17:15.56pinotreeelvirolo: you need to install the ark konqeror plugin that is in kdeaddons
17:16.17elvirolopinotree: ok, thank you :)
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17:31.21YippMndoes anyone know if a nice package for makeing cd and dvd labels and jewel case inserts?
17:35.30[GALAXY]YippMn: yes there is..
17:35.58YippMn[GALAXY],  oh joy and what mite it be?
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17:36.04[GALAXY]YippMn: either pscdcover, glabels, or kbarcode
17:36.55YippMn[GALAXY],  and these can creat to insert for a jewel case also?
17:37.12YippMndamn i can't type today
17:38.23[GALAXY]yes
17:38.31[GALAXY]some of them
17:39.06YippMn[GALAXY], hmm ok thanks i'll go take a look
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17:48.17YippMn[GALAXY], hmm  yeah none of thos are really what i'm looking for
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17:51.07XVampireXWar of Galaxy
17:52.00[GALAXY]YippMn: well ok then... these are the best programs existing for linux.. if you need something else then you need to look elsewhere.
17:52.40Theorywell, there are always pure graphics/vector apps
17:52.46Theorygimp/krita/inkscape
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17:57.10XVampireXYipMn: You're no yip man, and if you don't like what you see, look elsewhere (As [GALAXY] said)
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18:12.19Q-collectivehttps://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-528445.html
18:12.33Q-collectivecan anyone see a pound sterling symbol inthere in konq?
18:12.52Q-collectiveI can't see it in konq, but I can in opera... ?
18:13.50Sho_Q-collective: I can see it just fine
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18:14.56Q-collectiveodd
18:15.45kirunI see it... What if you manually override the encoding to ISO 8859-1 ?
18:16.31kirun(View > Set Encoding > Manual)
18:19.30Q-collectivekirun: ah, ty
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18:46.36tribuledoes anyone know how to get kpilot to sync with kontact and not erase my todo and calendar entries from the palm on every sync?
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19:04.19KasyxKDE needs mouse gestures *nod*
19:04.36pinotreeit has
19:04.51pinotreekde control center -> regional & accessibility -> input actions
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19:05.19pinotreedefine a new action of type gesture
19:05.21pinotreeKasyx: ^
19:05.24KasyxO.O
19:05.25Kasyxomg
19:05.30KasyxI love kde even more now
19:05.42KasyxDoes it let me record a gesture?
19:05.46workman161yes
19:05.46pinotreeyup
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19:07.56AghasterAnybody running KBFX on their KDE installation?
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19:10.16KasyxHow do I get it to tie into the wm? I want to set mouse gestures for changing desktops
19:10.47TheoryKasyx: dcop
19:11.33KasyxHmm?
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19:13.02benJImandcop kwin KWinInterface (nextDesktop | previousDesktop | setCurrentDesktop <int>)
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19:14.44KasyxAnd where do I put that?
19:14.52KasyxIs that the 'specific window' ?
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19:17.35benJImanthat is the command
19:17.41benJImanyou can put that in the input actions if you want
19:17.48benJImanyou want mouse gesture -> command
19:18.23KasyxThat option doesn't exist.
19:19.44benJImansure it does
19:21.25KasyxbenJIman: I'm looking in the window right now, the option is not there.
19:21.25benJImankcontrol -> regional & acessibility -> input actions -> new action -> triggers -> new -> gesture trigger; actions -> new -> command/url (or dcop call)
19:21.42benJImanit's not one of the preset ones, it's still an option
19:22.37KasyxRight.
19:22.47Kasyxnew action (then make sure it's generic)
19:22.59KasyxI was looking at the gesture one on the drop down
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19:24.22KasyxOk, now I'm in the dcop screen, it says 'remote application', 'remote object', 'called function' and 'arguments'. What do I enter?
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19:33.29g-hennawhere is the place to change the font that (file manager, not browser) konqueror uses for file listings?
19:34.05Justinlevening all ...
19:34.38pinotreeg-henna: kde control center -> kde components -> file manager
19:34.48pinotreeevening Justinl
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19:35.04g-hennapinotree: ok, thank you; what i was looking for was in "appearance", not "fonts"
19:35.15pinotreenp
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19:38.26JustinlHeres a question .. Is there a channel on freenode where people just talk totally off topic inane bollocks ?   I need to go there .. I have a need ..
19:38.44illogic-allol
19:38.56illogic-al#freenode-offtopic maybe ?
19:39.17JustinlYou promise me inane bollocks ?
19:39.20kirunYou might like #bs on mozilla IRC
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19:41.09JustinlBoy do i suck ..
19:41.27JustinlPressed the wrong button and dissapeared into cyberspace ..
19:42.09illogic-alhahah
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19:42.35PhilRodillogic-al, did you see my comment to you in #kde-bugs the other day?
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19:42.55illogic-alPhilRod: yeah. talking to annma about it in kde-devel now actually
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19:43.04PhilRodoh, cool
19:43.08illogic-alPhilRod: you meant this saturday or the week after that?
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19:43.19PhilRodno, i don't want to
19:43.30illogic-allol
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19:44.26JustinlLook you guys can all your own channel with the "Man we had this dude in tonight .. " HAD NO CLUE about IRC ..
19:44.39JustinlThought he was useing a 1996 version of MIRC ..
19:45.09Justinlthe Guy was CP/M it was SOOOO embaressing ..
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19:46.44kirunThere's nothing wrong with CP/M !
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19:48.07JustinlI didn't say there was ...
19:48.41kirunYou appeared to use it as an insult
19:48.47JustinlI loved CP/M on a Link 380Z ... first computer I was ever allowed to touch ..
19:49.23JustinlOnly against myself Kirun .. cos lets face it .. there is a world of difference between Linux and CP/M
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19:51.45kirunI think maybe some sense is being lost between the thoughts in your head here and what you end up mashing out on the keyboard. I suspect the consumption of certain substances has taken place.
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19:52.39kakaltowhen I go to configure clock, there's the option to sync to the internet automatically. How could I make this update every time I log in?
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19:58.08JustinlNo Kirun .. It's pure stupidity on my part ..
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20:01.42annmakakalto: I am not sure this is a KDE option
20:01.54annmakakalto: I don't seem to have it in KDE
20:02.12kakaltoannma: ah, ok. what version do you run? I'm on 3.5.5
20:02.28kakalto=/
20:02.28annmatell me where it is
20:02.51kakaltoright-click clock, ---> adjust date & time
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20:03.27kakaltothen there's a tickbox at the top with a dropdown box of which server to sync to
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20:04.21logixoulJohnFlux: i tried ksysguard4. awesome work!
20:04.22annmalet me look, I have KDE in French
20:04.34kirunThat could be distro-specific, for me the adjust date & time opens a YaST module
20:04.37JohnFluxlogixoul: thanks :-)
20:04.52annmait is distro specific I think
20:04.59JohnFluxlogixoul: suggestions are welcome!  but don't bother telling me it crashes randomly - i know ;-D
20:05.00annmaI have vanilla KDE and no synch
20:05.07annmakakalto: distro?
20:05.33logixoulJohnFlux: well, it takes 10% CPU of my AMD Sempron 2300+ - probably due to the svg/bezier curves you asked about on the mailing list
20:06.05JohnFluxlogixoul: svg's take no cpu (they are cached as an image)
20:06.06annmaah found it
20:06.19logixoulJohnFlux: yes, right
20:06.31JohnFluxlogixoul: if you are in process list view, then the bezier curves also take no cpu (since they aren't drawn)
20:06.37kakaltodon't worry, I found another way around it, got ntp working =)
20:06.51logixoulJohnFlux: hmm, yes
20:06.56JohnFluxlogixoul: i'm not entirely sure where the cpu usage goes - but profiling seems to indicate it's qt4 rather than anything that I can do
20:07.06annmathe kde clock servers don't work for me
20:07.40logixoulJohnFlux: could it be the histogram bars in the CPU and Memory fields?
20:07.41annmaif it worked it would synch at each logpn, kakalto
20:07.53JohnFluxlogixoul: nah they are very fast
20:08.02JohnFluxlogixoul: it's the qtreeview table thing
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20:08.47JohnFluxlogixoul: also, I'm guessing you are using kde with debug on
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20:08.59logixoulJohnFlux: yep
20:09.01JohnFluxlogixoul: which means that the qt libraries run unoptomised
20:09.16logixouloh, okay.
20:09.20JohnFluxlogixoul: it makes a big difference to speed and mem usage when compiled optomised
20:09.24JohnFluxlogixoul: since lots of things become inline etc
20:10.33logixoulJohnFlux: aha. in the Signal Plotter Settings dialog the tabwidget doesn't have a border - I like that
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20:13.27JohnFluxlogixoul: hmmm hadn't noticed
20:13.27JohnFluxlogixoul: maybe a bug
20:14.09logixoulJohnFlux: well, it does look cleaner, but that's just me =)
20:14.43JohnFluxi never notice such things heh
20:14.50JohnFluxwhich is why i rely on user feedback ;-)
20:15.01logixoul:)
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20:21.17Jell-O-Fishihey all. little question. how do i turn off alternate row highlighting ?
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20:21.48logixoulJell-O-Fishi: set it to the same color as "Window Background"
20:22.01logixoulJell-O-Fishi: you can do this in kcontrol->appearance->colors
20:22.05Jell-O-Fishioh. it's a color schema thing. thanks.
20:22.11logixoulnp
20:22.16logixoulwhy do you wanna do that?
20:23.24Jell-O-Fishiahh.. much better.
20:23.32Jell-O-Fishii find it annoying more than helpful
20:23.42logixoulheh, ok
20:23.44Jell-O-Fishiactually, maybe if i just set it to a lighter color that might be good
20:24.27Jell-O-Fishiyey. it was just set to an annoying color
20:24.28Jell-O-Fishithanky.
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20:59.56logixoulJohnFlux: an idea about making it obvious lines are stacked on top of each other: use a separate top->bottom dark->light gradient for each one. this way the _base_ of the line will be clearly visible. konqueror's filesize view uses the same.
21:00.22logixoulJohnFlux: i can draw a mockup
21:00.51JohnFluxlogixoul: hmm
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21:08.40JohnFluxlogixoul: sorry, just watching a film
21:08.48JohnFluxlogixoul: i like the idea
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21:09.29JohnFluxlogixoul: but where the base is change every time
21:09.38JohnFluxlogixoul: so i'm not sure how i can do that gradient wise
21:10.37logixoulhmm, how can the base get changed?
21:11.09logixoul(btw you watch now, we can talk later)
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21:13.07bram85do debian packages disable arts by default?
21:13.13bram85the kdelibs packages i mean
21:13.42pinotreebram85: no
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21:15.56illogic-alCan someone proofread this pleeeeeeeease: http://developernew.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/Konqueror_bug_weekend
21:16.16bram85hmm.. ok.. something funny is going on with my father's kopete... the same symptoms as if arts was disabled at compile time
21:18.16XVampireXillogic-al: KDE should deprecate kxkb or fix the damn thing
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21:19.01illogic-alXVampireX: wut?
21:19.52XVampireXIt's relying on KDE shortcuts
21:20.25XVampireXinstead of the settings in kxkb options
21:20.44illogic-alXVampireX: I don't get why you're telling me though :-)
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21:20.49logixoulillogic-al: most text from there is also in the Bugsquad page, i'm cleaning it up
21:20.50XVampireXCause it's a BUG
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21:21.05coreymon77hi everyon
21:21.07coreymon77e
21:21.13logixoulXVampireX: we are just bug triagers
21:21.23logixoulXVampireX: please file a bug
21:21.25XVampireXIt has been mentioned many years now
21:21.29coreymon77im using kde 355 with kubuntu edgy
21:21.31XVampireXThe bug was filed already
21:21.33XVampireXnever got fixed
21:21.34AlexElliott"The goal is to close old and now invalid bugs, identify confirmed bugs and mark as many duplicate bugs as possible" I think that reads a little better
21:21.45logixoulXVampireX: so fix it or stop complaining
21:22.03logixoulAlexElliott: i'll trim that anyway :)
21:22.05XVampireXIs that how you treat desktop users? :P
21:22.08coreymon77why are jpgs no longer auto previewed in konqueror?
21:22.14AlexElliottBlast
21:22.14illogic-allogixoul: this is for a dot article i'm going to post. it links back to the bugsquad page
21:22.15logixoulXVampireX: yes.
21:22.21XVampireXFine
21:22.24XVampireXJerk >_<
21:22.24logixoulillogic-al: ooh
21:22.32logixoulXVampireX: lol
21:22.54Renzecoreymon77: they are here... maybe yours are too large for your preview settings. check kcontrol -> kde components -> file manager, previews & metadata tab
21:23.12Renzecoreymon77: the Maximum Size slider is what you want to look at
21:23.39illogic-allogixoul: sounds ok?
21:23.51logixoulillogic-al: wait, finishing up
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21:24.39XVampireXlogixoul: I'm quite serious
21:25.32qupadaillogic-al: now i finally got to that thing you're writing, i notice immediately that you spelled "categorise" incorrectly; with a z :P
21:25.33XVampireXit's not rise, it's rize
21:25.33Renzequpada: those silly americans ;)
21:25.33thiagonot if he's not American
21:25.37thiagodon't aussies also use esses?
21:25.41XVampireXFurthermore, rice
21:25.47XVampireXcategorice
21:25.58Renzethiago: anyone that speaks british english uses esses
21:26.22illogic-alI speak british english just fine. I write in american.
21:26.43thiagoRenze: right, but do Aussies speak like the British?
21:26.45coreymon77Renze: but before i upgraded, these files worked without touching any settings
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21:26.54logixoulXVampireX: ok then, just what do you wanna achieve by telling illogic-al about that kbfx bug?
21:26.56thiagoRenze: for non-natives, it's mostly a matter of choice
21:26.57Renzethiago: yes, they are still members of the commonwealth
21:27.03XVampireXkbfx?
21:27.12logixoulkxkb*
21:27.12XVampireXlogixoul: kxkb, kde xkb
21:27.14Renzethiago: only Americans use zees
21:27.21logixoulXVampireX: right, kxkb, sorry
21:27.23XVampireXDragon Ball Z
21:27.26thiago<PROTECTED>
21:27.32thiago<PROTECTED>
21:27.34XVampireXHmm
21:27.50Renzethiago: way to mix english versions ;)
21:27.50XVampireXthiago: Yes, it's missing a u
21:27.54XVampireXyup
21:27.55thiagountil someone ran a spellchecker with en_US and changed everything
21:28.12illogic-alok. i'mma post my dot article.
21:28.29logixoulillogic-al: no, wait 1 minute more
21:28.38illogic-allol :-)
21:28.40AlexElliottI just use colour, it's my code so I'll use my version of the word ;).  But then I've not worked on anything that requires software engineering
21:28.40illogic-allogixoul: k
21:29.23coreymon77Renze: and also, when i put these files into another format, (other than jpeg) they work
21:29.25XVampireXthiago: Who's responsible over kxkb and is it deprecated and is there any better way of working with different languages in KDE?
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21:29.42XVampireXCause for example skim doesn't contain hebrew
21:29.57Renzecoreymon77: does the conversion to another format include a reduction in file size?
21:31.04thiagoXVampireX: Andriy Risin, I think
21:31.07thiagoXVampireX: not deprecated
21:31.08coreymon77Renze: the other format is bigger
21:31.25logixoulillogic-al: done :)
21:31.26thiagoI don't think you need skim to write Hebrew
21:31.32thiagojust choose the he keyboard layout
21:31.39Renzecoreymon77: hmmm... maybe your distro has disabled jpg preview for some reason?
21:31.41logixoulillogic-al: no
21:32.02logixoulillogic-al: ok, now it's done :)
21:32.36XVampireXthiago: I don't need skim, I have hebrew in kxkb keyboard layout but kxkb is really fucked up
21:32.56illogic-allogixoul: Konqueror_bug_weekend page or it's parent ?
21:33.00coreymon77Renze: i dunno, im using kubuntu edgy
21:33.16illogic-allogixoul: ah. i see the changes now :-)
21:33.18Renzecoreymon77: they make a lot of changes to KDE
21:33.41XVampireXkubuntu edgy me too
21:33.45thiagoXVampireX: what's wrong with kxkb?
21:34.13XVampireXthiago: It relies on kde global shortcuts instead of local shortcuts, so it's harder to set up sane shortcut to change groups
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21:34.35thiagoXVampireX: what do you mean? The Ctrl+Alt+K thing?
21:34.37coreymon77Renze: the only change i know of is making kde work without a real root account
21:34.44XVampireXthiago: Yes, very muchs o
21:34.45XVampireXso^
21:34.57Renzecoreymon77: and lots of menu changes
21:35.06thiagoXVampireX: if your hebrew layout includes a Latin one too, ctrl+alt+k will still work
21:35.08XVampireXI managed to change it to alt+shift like in windows via a text file
21:35.11Renzecoreymon77: and taking out anything that might have patent issues
21:35.21thiagoyou can't have modifier-only shortcuts in KDE
21:35.23XVampireXthiago: I don't want ctrl+alt+k, it's too long
21:35.24thiagonot allowed
21:35.25coreymon77patent issues? this is linux
21:35.40Renzecoreymon77: yes, and mp3 is still owned by Fraunhofer IIS
21:35.44XVampireXthiago: Well, I managed to do alt+shift via
21:36.21XVampireXUhm, forgot :O
21:36.23thiagoXVampireX: you're on your own then. That's a global modifier-only shortcut.
21:36.30thiagoyou can completely mess up all Alt+Shift shortcuts
21:36.37XVampireXHow?
21:36.45XVampireXAnd why can I do it in gnome and not in KDE?
21:36.52XVampireXThat's something that may keep some people off kde
21:37.03XVampireXThat's a pretty good shortcut
21:37.09thiagobecause KDE doesn't allow modifier-only shortcuts
21:37.44thiagowe never have, aside from the Win key (which we also removed)
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21:37.44thiagoit's a bad shortcut, because people keep hitting it by accident
21:37.53thiagomy father (who is knowledgeable in computers) every now and then tells me "I lost all accents"
21:38.17XVampireXhuh?
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21:38.40thiagohe switches from us-intl to us on Windows by accident
21:38.48XVampireXOh, ok
21:38.51thiagoso the only noticeable effect is that accent keys don't work
21:38.51logixoulXVampireX: you might be looking for Keyboard Layout->xkb options->third level choosers->press left alt key to...
21:39.08XVampireXWhat's third level choosers?
21:39.15thiagonow, this is so badly asked that it may be added for KDE 4
21:39.25logixoulXVampireX: dunno, but it makes modifiers behave like non-modifiers
21:39.26thiagoI have no idea if it really will
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21:40.10logixoulXVampireX: it may make the alt key unusable for anything else tho, i'm not sure
21:40.25XVampireXAh, okey...
21:40.51XVampireXSo you think it's a good thing?
21:41.12XVampireXThat we can't use only modifier keys?
21:41.15thiagoyes
21:41.27thiagobecause assigning a modifier-only key makes it not work for anything it would modify
21:41.34logixoulXVampireX: i for one don't think so
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21:41.59thiagoat least in current KDE code
21:42.00logixoulthiago: well, consider this:
21:42.08logixoulaha, yes.
21:42.16thiagoexcept for Alt, though.
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21:42.45thiagoa good example: Konqueror's access keys
21:42.50thiagothey are bound to Ctrl only
21:43.01thiagothat was implemented with very hackish code, which means you can't easily disable it
21:43.09thiagoit also means people keep hitting it by accident
21:43.15smileafpersonally I would like shortcuts to trigger when released. Not as soon as it matches.
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21:44.44thiagoI don't think so
21:44.46XVampireXsmileaf: good idea
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21:45.01XVampireXBut it does limit things
21:45.06pnoiboihi, i'm using FC6 and kde 3.5.5; i'm trying to make mplayer my default video player, but when i move mplayer to the top of the preferred list in konqueror, my avi files still open with noatun
21:45.20thiagoespecially if it works on repetition
21:45.35XVampireXyup, that too
21:45.40thiagopnoiboi: are you sure you moved mplayer to the top of the list for avi?
21:45.41XVampireXmeh
21:45.43XVampireXforget it
21:45.48PhilRodpnoiboi, are you sure you did it for the right mimetype?
21:45.58logixoulthiago: hmm, now that you say it, indeed i press ctrl in konq by accident _really_ often. but it's just one key, so it's easy to hit. say, Alt+Shift, however, is a lot more difficult (i.e. safer)
21:46.17pnoiboiyes, i press apply, then ok. i go back to the file association an noatun would be at the top again
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21:46.33thiagologixoul: no disputing that
21:46.46thiagologixoul: but it's still much more dangerous than Modifier+NonModifier
21:47.12thiagologixoul: there are shortcuts that begin with Alt+Shift. If you change your mind in the middle, it changes the keyboard layout.
21:47.16thiagothat's why it's bad
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21:47.48thiagoanyways, usability people will have the final say
21:47.57thiagoI don't use the feature, so I can't comment
21:48.06logixoulthiago: agreed. i just hope it'll be allowed (not used by default) - seen plenty of people on windows use that with no problems
21:48.14logixoulok.
21:49.26logixoulpnoiboi: check ~/.kde permissions
21:50.19pnoiboiit's drwx
21:50.36XVampireXthiago: What logixoul said
21:51.09thiagoXVampireX: like I said, usability people will have the final say
21:51.19thiagoXVampireX: if they find that it's too prone to accident, it won't be allowed and that's it.
21:51.56coreymon77Renze: ive been told its not a kubuntu problem, people say it works for them
21:52.06Renzecoreymon77: and it works for me
21:52.17logixoulpnoiboi: avi files belong both to application/x-mplayer2 and video/x-msvideo - did you set mplayer for both?
21:52.25XVampireXthiago: Alright :D
21:52.43XVampireXthiago: Or someone can develop some new system for that ;)
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21:53.10coreymon77so, Renze, what do i do?
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21:53.27Renzecoreymon77: if neither of my suggestions helped, I'm at a loss
21:53.42pnoiboilogixoul: ah no, thanks. i'll try that out
21:54.08logixoulXVampireX: well, iirc currently you can do the same with 'another system' - xbindkeys
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21:55.23mokkanhey, i set my screensaver to the firey one in kde, but the big X still comes up.. how can i fix that?
21:55.52pnoiboilogixoul: ok, that didn't work.  it seems konqueror isn't saving my settings.  i went back to "configure konqueror" and i checked application/x-mplayer2, MPlayer wasn't in the application preference order box, same with video/x-msvideo
21:56.26tstaerkmokkan, used kcontrol to set screensaver ?
21:56.33mokkani did
21:56.36XVampireXlogixoul: I can do it via a text file too, it's not my point ;)
21:57.56logixoulXVampireX: um, which text file? i'm not following you :P
21:57.57tstaerkmokkan, distro ? what do you mean by "the big x still comes up" ?
21:58.23mokkantstaerk, gentoo.. and the big x is what im assuming is the default X screensaver
21:58.27logixoulXVampireX: what i said is: xbindkeys can help you use just a modifier as a shortcut :)
21:58.33mokkanits just a big X on the screen that randomly changes size and position
21:58.53XVampireXlogixoul: The one with the kde key shortcuts
21:58.59XVampireXI forgot where it was >_<
21:59.07XVampireXBut I can find it if you need it
21:59.07tstaerkmokkan, so, the question is, why doesn't my screensaver setting work ?
21:59.15XVampireXI changed it back to ctrl+alt+z
21:59.43mokkantstaerk, exactly.. hah
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21:59.52mokkanit seems like its using xscreensaver over whatver kde uses
21:59.53logixoulXVampireX: you mean if you set an action to Shift in this config file, it'll work?
22:00.39XVampireXMaybe, but I know that Alt+Shift_L works
22:01.00logixoulmokkan: well, try using xscreensaver to change the screensaver, as a test. does it work?
22:01.05srednaDarn, digikam have regressions
22:01.15tstaerkmokkan, what display manager (not window manager) are you running ?
22:01.16logixoulXVampireX: ok, good to know
22:01.33mokkantstaerk, kdm is what im runnin
22:01.41mokkanlogixoul i might give that a try..
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22:06.13XVampireXIs there any emule client for kde?
22:06.19logixoulXVampireX: kmldonkey
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22:06.27XVampireXIs it better than amule?
22:06.27logixoulafaik
22:06.29coreymon77XVampireX: or amule
22:06.49coreymon77Renze: i just created a new kde account
22:06.49logixoulXVampireX: haven't tried amule
22:06.51XVampireXI know about amule but it doesn't seem to be the most stable one ;)
22:06.54coreymon77the previewing thing works here
22:07.13logixoulXVampireX: fwiw, kmldonkey has a horrible ui
22:07.17Renzecoreymon77: ah, so it is a user setting
22:07.48XVampireXHmm
22:08.58Renzecoreymon77: I cannot think of any settings that would disable previews only for jpg images
22:09.30coreymon77Renze: wait a sec
22:11.22XVampireXlogixoul: Anything other than kmldonkey?
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22:11.52coreymon77well then Renze, what do i do?
22:12.05Renzecoreymon77: I have no idea, I'm afraid
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22:12.48logixoulXVampireX: not that i know of
22:13.42coreymon77so this is impossible?
22:13.43logixoulcoreymon77: if you send an email to the kde@kde.org mailinglist you've a better chance to be heard
22:13.59XVampireX:-/
22:14.32coreymon77???
22:14.58logixoulcoreymon77: more people read that mailinglist than are active on irc ;)
22:15.01logixoulcoreymon77: what was your problem again?
22:15.13coreymon77jpeg previewing doesnt work
22:15.26coreymon77but when i created a new account, it does
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22:18.41coreymon77logixoul: im confused
22:19.16logixoulcoreymon77: have you tried konqueror->settins->conf konq->previews->use thumbnails embedded in files
22:19.31coreymon77yup
22:19.36coreymon77thats enabled in both accounts
22:19.45coreymon77wait
22:19.51coreymon77conf konq?
22:19.56coreymon77oh
22:19.57logixoulconfigure konqueror
22:20.05coreymon77you mean in konqeurors settings
22:20.08logixoulyes
22:20.20coreymon77well
22:20.26coreymon77let me get into my real account then
22:22.22stonedwhere do you configure kde to remember window sizes?
22:22.22stonedjust savesession?
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22:23.10thiagoeach application remembers its size
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22:23.16coreymon77okay
22:23.22coreymon77yes, that option is checked
22:24.19coreymon77now what?
22:25.59coreymon77guys?
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22:27.53logixoulfuck, i hate it when they leave 3 seconds before i hit enter
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22:30.21W8TAHhi folks -- in kate, i opened a couple docs in a split view the other day,now when i open anything, it opens 2 copies in a split view - how do i get back to it opening just one pane?
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22:32.51logixoulrun the following: kate -s Default
22:33.14W8TAHlogixoul, thanks
22:33.24logixoulnp
22:34.10W8TAHlogixoul, that does not solve the problem
22:35.08logixoulW8TAH: do you have any important kate settings and stuff?
22:35.25W8TAHno
22:35.34coreymon77so guys
22:35.41coreymon77what do i do about my problem
22:35.46logixoulcoreymon77: if you have a few hours to spend, copy files from ~/.kde/share/apps and ~/.kde/share/config into the new account one by one, restarting konqueror each time, so you see which one is the problematic
22:36.05Dr_willisIf you got no .kde settings woth keeping.. its even simpiler. :)
22:36.10logixoulcoreymon77: else post to the user support mailinglist
22:36.33logixoulW8TAH: run the following: mv ~/.kde/share/apps/kate/ kate~/
22:36.44coreymon77logixoul: is there any non life time consuming/non setting deleting method?
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22:37.25Renzecoreymon77: if we knew what was causing the problem, yes... but we don't
22:37.40logixoulcoreymon77: not that i know of, obviously
22:37.55logixoulcoreymon77: what Renze said
22:38.04logixoulcoreymon77: oh wait
22:38.13logixoulcoreymon77: you can also ask at #gentoo
22:38.17coreymon77why
22:38.21coreymon77im using kubuntu
22:38.24Dr_willis:)
22:38.29logixouloh damn
22:38.35logixoul#kubuntu then :)
22:38.38coreymon77i did
22:38.41Dr_williswe sent him here. :)
22:38.44logixouloh
22:38.55coreymon77that was my first place to go
22:39.00Dr_willisthe issue seems to happen from upgrading from the older kde, to the newer ones..
22:39.04Renzethey seem to send everyone here
22:39.07logixoulno more ideas then
22:39.21coreymon77one question
22:39.23Dr_willis<PROTECTED>
22:39.31coreymon77what stuff does .kde contain
22:39.36PhilRod~dot-kde
22:39.37apt*Don't* remove ~/.kde: as well as your personal settings, it contains your address book and may contain your email. Rename the directory and restart KDE instead
22:39.43Dr_williscoreymon77,  could just 'move' the .kde dir somewhere else.
22:39.53Renzeall settings, addressbook data, korganizer data, email, etc etc
22:39.57Dr_willisi dont have any email.. or address book. :)
22:40.00logixoulDr_willis: this fixed it for him
22:40.08Dr_willisheh heh.
22:40.09logixoulDr_willis: but he wants his settings and stuff
22:40.11coreymon77umm
22:40.14coreymon77all my settings?
22:40.30logixoulcoreymon77: 99% of your kde settings are in ~/.kde
22:40.34Dr_willisback it up/move it is always a good idea.
22:40.36coreymon77ya
22:40.37coreymon77bad idea
22:40.40Dr_willisof course i told him earlier to try as a new user.
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22:40.53coreymon77Dr_willis: that worked
22:40.57logixoulDr_willis: basically the same :)
22:40.58Dr_willisso that pointed to the area of the problem. but i cant think of what would be causien this issue.
22:41.30Dr_willishe could just move the .kde dir. then copy  some of his setting dirs over to the new .kde dir - skipping any that are related to konqueror perhaps?
22:41.40Renzeyes, there are settings for disabling image previews, but none specifically for jpg
22:42.44logixoulDr_willis: i don't think the dirs directly related to konqueror contain any relevant settings, as renze said. but yeah.
22:43.00coreymon77then why does only jpg not work
22:43.14thiagoit's a build problem
22:43.16thiagoI used to have that
22:43.18Dr_willisim wondering if it may be some file assiication issue with that one user.
22:43.19thiagoyou need to rebuild Qt
22:43.24Renzethiago: it works for a new user
22:43.29thiagooh...
22:43.31thiagobummer
22:43.38thiagomust be ~/.qt/qtrc then
22:44.04Dr_willishmm. i dont even have anything in my .qt dir
22:44.28Dr_willisaha - there it is. :) wrong user.
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22:45.42coreymon77wait a sec
22:45.50coreymon77you know what the problem is thiago
22:45.52coreymon77?
22:49.44coreymon77thiago: do you knwo how to repair my problem without deleting all my settings?
22:50.24PhilRodcoreymon77, my first guess would be to rename ~/.kde/share/config/konquerrorrc
22:50.31PhilRodto see if that is the problem
22:50.40logixoulcoreymon77: as your old user do this: mv ~/.qt/ .qt~/
22:50.53PhilRodand of course, to spell the filename properly, unlike me :-)
22:50.55coreymon77is this reversible
22:51.20logixoulcoreymon77: yes
22:51.37coreymon77do i need sudo?
22:51.39logixoulno
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22:51.54coreymon77wait
22:51.59coreymon77give me the exact command
22:52.05logixoulmv ~/.qt/ .qt~/
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22:52.42PhilRodhehe, that's correct, if a little confusing :-)
22:52.54logixoulindeed =)
22:53.06tstaerkcoreymon77, have you moved away .kde/share/config/konquerorrc
22:53.06tstaerk<PROTECTED>
22:53.09coreymon77um
22:53.11coreymon77mv: target `.qt~/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
22:53.29logixoulmv ~/.qt .qt~
22:53.39coreymon77and no
22:53.46smileafmv ~/.qt/ .qt\~
22:53.47coreymon77i havent done what tstaerk said yet
22:54.01tstaerkmv ~/.qt .qt~/
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22:54.24tstaerkthen try - it is still about jpeg preview from konqi, isn't it ?
22:54.34coreymon77yup
22:54.36coreymon77so
22:54.36smileafmaybe ~ doesn't need that >.>, nm
22:54.45coreymon77how do i do that
22:54.48coreymon77command?
22:55.23tstaerkduffman:~ # cd .kde/share/config/
22:55.24tstaerkduffman:~/.kde/share/config # ls konquerorrc
22:55.24tstaerkkonquerorrc
22:55.24tstaerkduffman:~/.kde/share/config # mv konquerorrc konquerorrc-backup
22:56.07logixoulcoreymon77: after you do what tstaerk says, execute this also: killall konqueror
22:56.15tstaerkyes
22:56.51logixoulcoreymon77: (it'll close all your konquerors, be careful)
22:57.00coreymon77konq isnt open
22:57.11logixoulok, but still execute the command
22:57.19coreymon77okay
22:57.21coreymon77its done
22:57.25coreymon77both commands
22:57.28logixoulnow start konqueror
22:58.43coreymon77nope
22:58.45coreymon77same thing
22:58.49logixoulcoreymon77: did you try mv ~/.qt .qt~
22:59.27coreymon77no
22:59.31coreymon77should i try that now?
22:59.34logixoulyes
22:59.54logixouland don't forget killall konqueror afterwards
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23:00.25coreymon77wow
23:00.28coreymon77wtf
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23:00.35tstaerkit works ?
23:00.49coreymon77no
23:00.52logixoulno, an alien jumped out of the screen.
23:00.56coreymon77but i think i may have found th eproblem
23:01.05tstaerkyes ???
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23:01.36coreymon77konqueror: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype application/x-crossover-jpg
23:01.38logixoulhmm
23:01.46coreymon77its using crossover office as its assosciation for jpegs!
23:02.26logixoulwhat are the previous and next output lines?
23:02.28coreymon77same thing
23:02.37coreymon77tons and tons of lines of all that
23:02.39tstaerkkcontrol -> search -> file associations -> jpg could help you
23:02.40coreymon77konqueror: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype application/x-crossover-jpg
23:02.47Renzeah... crossover plugin... that breaks everything
23:03.11Renzeyou really should have mentioned that at the beginning
23:03.28coreymon77no such thing as jpg
23:03.30coreymon77just jpeg
23:03.38coreymon77in kcontrol
23:04.04coreymon77but in that for filename patterns it says .jpg
23:04.18coreymon77okay
23:04.22coreymon77lets just do this
23:04.37coreymon77how do i reset the assosciations
23:04.43tstaerkcoreymon77, yes, just make it as in your fresh users. Maybe start with common sense and it already works. maybe.
23:04.45coreymon77because for oen thing
23:05.04logixoulcoreymon77:  look for a "Defaults" or "Reset" button
23:05.18coreymon77but heres the thing
23:05.24coreymon77in my fresh users
23:05.31coreymon77there are two assosciations
23:05.36coreymon77one for jpeg
23:05.58coreymon77with .jpg, .jpeg and all the others as its fillename varations
23:06.02coreymon77and one for jpg
23:06.09coreymon77in my normal account
23:06.17coreymon77there is only the jpeg one
23:06.47tstaerkcoreymon77, set it the same for your user and it will work the same
23:06.54logixoul(probably)
23:07.00coreymon77hwo do i do that though
23:07.02tstaerkexactly
23:07.11coreymon77there reset buttton is grayed out
23:07.21logixoulcoreymon77: look for an "add" button
23:07.27coreymon77its there
23:07.43coreymon77now what
23:07.49tstaerkcoreymon77, click on a setting and "reset" may become black
23:07.52smileaftry clicking it ;)
23:08.07coreymon77just resetted it to what it was before
23:08.36coreymon77can i just copy and paste the settings from the new user to my normal user
23:08.55logixoultstaerk: btw have you seen http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-lastchanges.php ?
23:09.49tstaerkerr, did thiago change something ?
23:09.57coreymon77where are the settings for file assosciations contained?
23:10.15tstaerkI cannot use my browser at the moment, I am during a kde upgrade
23:10.34coreymon77cause couldnt i just copy and replace my settings with the ones from the new user
23:10.56logixoultstaerk, nope
23:11.08logixoultstaerk, "tstaerk1458 : "Recent Articles" was my favorite!"
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23:11.24logixoultstaerk: point is, this page has nearly the same functionality ;)
23:11.44tstaerkah, now I understand!
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23:12.17netstathey people
23:12.19tstaerkyes, I found this "Last Changes" some days ago and I am okay with the world again.
23:12.22netstatanyone uses cairo-clock?
23:12.41tstaerklogixoul, anyway, the gui design of mediawiki is tons better
23:13.03tstaerkdiff -rup /home/test2/.kde/share/config/ /home/test/.kde/share/config/          
23:13.23logixoultstaerk: i agree wholeheartedly, though hunting down luci to talk about that is a PITA
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23:13.39tstaerkcoreymon77, ^ shows you the difference between test's settings and test2's settings
23:13.51logixoultstaerk: fwiw i suggested a bunch of things some months ago but nothing's changed
23:13.54tstaerklogixoul, you know developernew.kde.org ?
23:14.06coreymon77and i take it i replace test with my normal account and test2 with my new user
23:14.14tstaerklogixoul, this is a mediawiki about to replace developer.kde.org
23:14.15logixoultstaerk: of course, you thanked me on my userpage there for my participation back in september :P
23:14.37tstaerkcoreymon77, yes, we are no offended if you just try
23:14.59tstaerklogixoul: you see how ungrateful I am ;)
23:15.12logixoul;)
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23:15.20logixoultstaerk: but wiki.kde.org still has its place for non-development stuff, doesn't it?
23:15.34arrenlexI can't change the language in KDE 3.5.5. I have kde-i18n-engb installed, but if I try to add British in kcontrol>country\region&language, nothing happens. It appears in the list, but clicking on it has no effect.
23:15.51logixoularrenlex: restart kde
23:15.52tstaerkthat is a decision, and decision in open-source world are a funny thing
23:16.04arrenlexlogixoul: Okay... hold on...
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23:16.31tstaerklogixoul, in medium timespan, developer(new) and wiki will coexist.
23:16.33logixoultstaerk: sure, but at least danimo, dhaumann and i agreed on it iirc :)
23:16.38logixoultstaerk: yep
23:16.56coreymon77next time can you tell me if i need sudo
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23:17.02arrenlexlogixoul: I did. NO effect.
23:17.04tstaerkI remember - that time I disagreed, now I agree if luci wants to do it
23:17.04arrenlexNo.
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23:17.38tstaerkcoreymon77, try it out, I do not know
23:17.41Renzecoreymon77: not all distros use sudo
23:17.41logixoultstaerk: if luci wants to do what?
23:17.48coreymon77sudo is root
23:17.53logixoulno
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23:18.00coreymon77i needed it
23:18.02logixoulsudo is a command you use to switch to another user
23:18.03Renzecoreymon77: some distros use su instead of sudo
23:18.11coreymon77and holy crap that gave me a lot of output
23:18.14tstaerklogixoul: if luci wants to continue wiki.kde.org. If I was luci, I would say "we do not need two wikis for kde"
23:18.19Renzecoreymon77: do not assume everything is the same as kubuntu
23:18.32coreymon77oh ya
23:18.34coreymon77i forgot
23:18.40coreymon77kubuntu is different form most
23:18.45coreymon77okay
23:18.50logixoultstaerk: ok
23:18.53coreymon77a little tidbit of knowledge for people here
23:19.16coreymon77for the *buntu family, sudo is the same as su
23:19.20tstaerkcoreymon77, my approach would be
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23:19.30brendan__is it possible to have gtk apps use the "Mac OS" style menu bar in kde?
23:19.31tstaerk(a) mv .kde .kde-backup
23:19.35tstaerk(b) see if it works
23:19.38logixoulbrendan__: no
23:19.50tstaerk(c) if not, copy over .kde from the user where it works
23:19.55tstaerk(d) try it out
23:20.05coreymon77that diff -rup /home/test2/.kde/share/config/ /home/test/.kde/share/config/ command gave me tons of output
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23:20.21tstaerkcoreymon77, that means, you have tons of different settings
23:20.41coreymon77well ya
23:20.45logixoul"tons of differences between settings", more accurately ;)
23:20.48coreymon77of course
23:20.51EnverexI have an odd problem with KDE. When the machine is under load or coping files the mouse seems to skip and become a bit juddery.
23:20.57coreymon77i have been using this account for close to a year
23:21.02coreymon77so ive changed stuff
23:21.05logixoulEnverex: afaik everyone has this
23:21.08coreymon77the new account was just created
23:21.19tstaerkneed to log off because of kde upgrade. Hope to be back later ;)
23:21.22logixoulEnverex: at least i do
23:21.40EnverexNow "but that's not a KDE issue!" I hear you cry... I'd assume it wasn't either, but it doesn't happen in Gnome or XFCE4. I mean, why or even how would a DE make a mouse juddery? :/
23:21.41thiagoEnverex: not a KDE issue
23:21.44Renzelogixoul: actually, it can be affected by which scheduler is being used by the kernel
23:21.51Enverexthiago, hehe, read what I just wrote
23:21.52thiagoEnverex: the load is higher
23:22.03thiagoEnverex: the mouse pointer is X's business
23:22.25Enverexthiago, I'm aware of that, but KDE must be doing something because it only ever happens on KDE. Not any other WM or DE
23:22.46RenzeEnverex: it doesn't happen on my KDE ;)
23:22.51logixoulRenze: i'll pretend to know what scheduler means :)
23:22.55coreymon77okay
23:22.55thiagoEnverex: the load with KDE must be higher
23:23.06coreymon77it turns out that the problem is file association
23:23.07coreymon77s
23:23.08thiagoEnverex: maybe related to the fact that KDE uses out-of-process processes to copy files
23:23.17coreymon77so how do i reset that and only that
23:23.39Enverexthiago, That can't be true. I have the machine load at 100% under other WM/DEs and no issues.
23:23.50thiagoEnverex: is it the same load average?
23:23.52Renzecoreymon77: have a look in ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/
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23:23.56thiagoEnverex: same number of running processes?
23:23.57brendan__Enverex, are you sure you have dma enabled for your hard disk?
23:23.58logixoulthiago: could it be the bouncy cursor?
23:24.01thiagoEnverex: same number of context switches?
23:24.05EnverexEven compiling apps with a -j6 flag or something it is still fine under Gnome
23:24.08Enverexthiago, yeah
23:24.19Enverexbrendan__, That's just silly
23:24.42thiagoI used to compile stuff with -j20 and nothing untoward happened
23:24.44Enverexthiago, I don't see why a single filecopy would have many context switches and if it is what you claim then it IS a KDE bug anyway, heh
23:24.54coreymon77Renze: should i look at that direcotry in konq?
23:25.41coreymon77or a terminal
23:25.41Renzecoreymon77: look at it however you are comfortable... I prefer konsole, personally
23:25.41Enverexthiago, I know, that was the point. It just seems that in KDE when the system is under load for whatever reason the mouse becomes all juddery
23:25.42Renzecoreymon77: that's where user file associations are saved
23:25.42thiagoEnverex: like I told you, the mouse is X's business
23:25.43thiagoEnverex: maybe it's the mouse cursor theme KDE sets
23:25.50thiagoEnverex: maybe it's the number of context switches
23:25.53brendan__Enverex, is it?, linux turns dma off by default for some ide chipsets
23:25.56thiagoEnverex: maybe it's something completely unrelated
23:25.59Enverexbrendan__, It's SATA
23:26.39Enverexthiago, Well you saying it's an X issue can't be true else it would happen with KDE or any other env, but it doesn't, just KDE. It could be the theme though, although that sounds unlikely.
23:26.45ravermeisterhello i have got a question how do i change the path from "storage media" from /media to media:/
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23:27.05Renzeravermeister: right click, properties
23:27.11coreymon77okay
23:27.11coreymon77so
23:27.18ravermeistermoment im trying
23:27.23coreymon77can i jst copy and replace?
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23:27.42coreymon77or is it gonna give me an access denied thing cause im using the acount?
23:27.48Renzecoreymon77: yes... then run kbuildsycoca as user to update the cache
23:27.56ravermeisterok and then?
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23:28.20Renzeravermeister: change the URL?
23:28.21coreymon77brb
23:29.00Renzeravermeister: you haven't mentioned *which* "storage media" you are trying to change
23:29.53thiagoEnverex: dude, what part of what I explained didn't you get?
23:29.58thiagoEnverex: X draws the cursor
23:30.10thiagoEnverex: if the cursor is bouncy, it means that X isn't getting enough CPU time
23:30.11ravermeisterits the tool in the task bar, where you can open konqueror whether with your home folder or the network things, or storage media or all personal folders
23:30.26ravermeisterand when i wants to open the button storage media
23:30.29thiagoEnverex: there are many reasons for that and in a system as complex as a KDE running on Linux with X, I cannot pinpoint the source
23:30.30Renzeravermeister: I don't have that in my taskbar... different distros
23:30.37thiagoEnverex: I can come up with a dozen possible reasons
23:30.43thiagoEnverex: none of which I can prove or disprove
23:30.49ravermeisterhmm its a feature from kde not from the system
23:31.04ravermeisterright click on the taskbar
23:31.06ravermeisterand then
23:31.06Renzeravermeister: yes, I know... but different distros ship with different KDE settings
23:31.08thiagoEnverex: maybe it isn't something that KDE is doing -- maybe it's something that KDE isn't doing
23:31.18thiagoEnverex: maybe it's something that KDE is -- or isn't
23:31.22Enverexthiago, That would still make it a KDE issue then (no other envs have that issue, so it's KDE being bad with its own priorities)
23:31.27Renzeravermeister: are you referring to the system menu applet?
23:31.49ravermeisterright
23:32.02thiagoEnverex: no
23:32.02Renzeravermeister: then go to $KDEDIR/share/apps/systemview/ and edit the media.desktop file and change the URL
23:32.10ravermeisterwhen you push it a submenu opens with the links called before
23:32.17thiagoEnverex: it might be something as simple as the specific OpenGL call that KDE makes
23:32.18Renzeravermeister: $KDEDIR is whereever your distro installs KDE
23:32.24ravermeisterokay
23:32.30thiagoEnverex: different textures that KDE uses, for instance
23:32.33thiagoEnverex: hell I know
23:33.02RenzeEnverex: *your* KDE... mine never gets jerky even when compiling
23:33.07thiagoEnverex: it could be your video driver's fault
23:33.29thiagoEnverex: NVidia is known to have a bug like that: it does not optimise some calls that KDE uses but GNOME doesn't
23:33.40ravermeistergreat thanks that was it
23:33.43ravermeister:)
23:33.48Renzeravermeister: no problem
23:33.56ravermeisterby the way  happy new year ;)
23:34.00Renzeravermeister: now yell at your distro for changing it in the first place ;)
23:35.01ravermeisterim using kubuntu dapper 6.06
23:35.15ravermeisterand it appeared after an update from kde 3.5.4 to 3.5.5
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23:36.25Renzeravermeister: I suspected it would be kubuntu... they change lots of things
23:37.06ravermeisterthats right but i prefer it from Suse cause the solution of the package dependencies are better
23:37.56ravermeisterof course mandriva is very nice too but somehow i like the debian based systems more but dont aks me why :)
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23:38.07ravermeistergentoo is much work
23:38.12ravermeisteror not?
23:38.15Renzebut it's worth it
23:38.28ravermeisteryou have to compile everything by your own right?
23:38.46Renzecompile, yes... by your own, no... it is automated
23:39.14ravermeisteroh i didnt know that.
23:39.35ravermeisterand is it possible to install packages too or only source code
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23:39.49Renzethere are binary packages for some things
23:39.57ravermeisterokay
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23:40.15ravermeistermaybe i'll take a look at it but time is the key ;)
23:40.19Renzeravermeister: go to www.gentoo.org or #gentoo to find out more — it is outside the scope of this channel
23:40.37ravermeisternice thank you
23:40.40Kasyxravermeister: I'm on gentoo
23:40.46KasyxIt's really, really easy
23:40.58KasyxIt all gets compiled, yes, but portage does it for you
23:41.31coreymon77guys
23:41.36coreymon77something slightly wierd
23:41.53coreymon77i looked in the mimelink folder for my new user
23:42.06coreymon77and the only folder it contains is audio
23:42.10coreymon77there is no image folder
23:42.23Renzecoreymon77: only user changes are stored there
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23:42.35ravermeisterokay i will try it, does it work well on a virtual machine?
23:42.43coreymon77well then. how do i reset it
23:42.59Renzecoreymon77: in your original user's folder, do you have image/jpeg ?
23:43.01coreymon77do i just delete the jpg and jpeg files in the folder
23:43.07coreymon77yup
23:43.07Renzecoreymon77: yes
23:43.09flyinghippo_Hello.  I have installed KDE in Ubuntu, but now I am not able to change my volume, nor can I use my volume control panel that was built into my laptop.  Does anyone know of a way to change the volume?
23:43.13Renzecoreymon77: then run kbuildsycoca
23:43.14coreymon77i just delete em
23:43.24coreymon77sudo prob
23:43.33Renzecoreymon77: you don't need sudo for user stuff
23:43.40coreymon77oh
23:43.47Renzesudo is only for system stuff
23:43.52coreymon77there are 2 files, jpeg.desktop and jpg.desktop
23:43.57coreymon77do i delete both of them
23:43.59coreymon77?
23:44.01Renzecoreymon77: yes
23:44.43coreymon77coreymon@kubuntu:~$ kbuildsycoca
23:44.43coreymon77kbuildsycoca running...
23:44.43coreymon77Reusing existing ksycoca
23:44.43coreymon77kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
23:44.55Renzedon't worry about that one
23:45.00Renzeeverybody gets that
23:45.28coreymon77so its done?
23:45.38logixoultry
23:45.43Renzecoreymon77: we won't know until you try previewing a jpg
23:45.48Renzewe're not psychic
23:46.08coreymon77nope
23:46.10coreymon77same thing
23:46.15coreymon77still the crossover bit
23:46.16logixoulkillall konqueror
23:46.37Renzethat crossover plugin breaks stuff for everybody... why do people even bother using it?
23:46.52logixoulRenze: what's it for?
23:46.56coreymon77i didnt even know i was using it
23:47.04Renzelogixoul: something to do with Microsoft Office files, or something
23:47.11coreymon77the only thing i did was install crossover
23:47.17coreymon77cause it works better than wine
23:47.22logixoulRenze: ok
23:47.33coreymon77crossover works better than just plain wine
23:47.44coreymon77so thats why i have it
23:47.57Renzecoreymon77: then you will just have to live with the breakage it causes
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23:59.15motshi, i'm trying to do a superkaramba-theme
23:59.47motsis there anything like CLICKAREA, but for ONE click (no double-click)?

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