| 00:00.16 | canllaith | It's a nice start, but I agree it's not an end destination |
| 00:00.24 | kirun | The funny thing is, one of the issues I've noted from trying a live CD is the fonts aren't right |
| 00:00.40 | pinotree | anyone got spam from Tini? |
| 00:00.43 | aseigo | pinotree: yes |
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| 00:00.52 | smileaf | yep |
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| 00:01.01 | aseigo | kirun: the *buntu live CDs (if that's what you're refering to) are horrible |
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| 00:01.14 | knoppix | why that? |
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| 00:01.28 | pinotree | knoppix: ? |
| 00:01.31 | aseigo | knoppix: they are slow. no, let me rephrase. they are dog slow. |
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| 00:01.52 | aseigo | knoppix: in generally it just feels -very- klunky, say compared to knoppix or slax or whatever |
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| 00:02.14 | SimAtWork | i find all live cds are rather klunky and slow though |
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| 00:02.26 | SimAtWork | using the live cd is great to see functionality but not so much usability |
| 00:02.57 | aseigo | some live cds are quite decent ime |
| 00:03.05 | aseigo | but the *buntu ones are just shameful |
| 00:04.45 | neddy | why are some of my files .kde owned by root? |
| 00:06.21 | aseigo | neddy: because you ran apps as root using your user's $KDEHOME |
| 00:07.18 | neddy | you mean if I did something like 'sudo kcontrol' or something like that? |
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| 00:08.53 | thiago | aseigo: root applications don't use $KDEHOME |
| 00:09.04 | thiago | they use $KDEROOTHOME, exactly to avoid this issue |
| 00:09.14 | aseigo | thiago: ah, that's right. hum |
| 00:09.45 | neddy | so, it's a mystery why some of my ~/.kde files were owned by root and not me? |
| 00:10.06 | thiago | something you did, most definitely :-) |
| 00:10.46 | neddy | me? I would never! |
| 00:11.17 | smileaf | might also help if we knew what files ;) |
| 00:12.49 | neddy | Um, I should have written it down, but a kwallet file was owned by root |
| 00:13.20 | neddy | and I think some emails in my kontact trash folder |
| 00:13.49 | thiago | the kwallet files are only written to by kwalletd (kded) |
| 00:13.57 | thiago | so, that means you somehow got kded running as root |
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| 00:14.34 | neddy | there you go blaming me for something that happened on my laptop to which only I have access to :-) |
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| 00:41.50 | acemo | Whats the command for the KDE screenshot application? Beryl picked the gnome screenshot application :( |
| 00:41.57 | Renze | ksnapshot |
| 00:42.03 | acemo | tnx |
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| 00:47.32 | Kasyx | Do I need to sacrifice a goat or something to make xorg play nice? |
| 00:48.10 | Jucato | 7 goats actually, to represent the version you are using :) |
| 00:48.25 | Renze | 7.1 goats? |
| 00:48.37 | Kasyx | Ah. And the .1.1? a kid and an embryo? |
| 00:48.47 | Kasyx | *kidd |
| 00:49.09 | Jucato | :) |
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| 01:03.17 | genpfault | how do I disable tabs in konqueror when it's in file manager mode? |
| 01:03.57 | genpfault | I'm running kde 3.5.5 |
| 01:04.22 | thiago | don't middle-click |
| 01:04.34 | Jucato | :) |
| 01:04.44 | genpfault | well, that won't open things in a new tab |
| 01:04.55 | genpfault | I'm talking about removing the tab bar entirely |
| 01:05.00 | thiago | ah |
| 01:05.23 | Jucato | settings -> configure konqueror -> web behavior -> [ ] Hide tab bar when only one tab is open |
| 01:05.33 | thiago | Settings, Configure Konqueror, Web Behaviour, check the option "Hide tab bar when only one tab is open" |
| 01:05.48 | genpfault | woot! |
| 01:05.51 | genpfault | that worked! |
| 01:05.53 | genpfault | thanks! |
| 01:06.01 | DaSkreech | :-) |
| 01:06.14 | Jucato | :) |
| 01:07.26 | genpfault | now I just need to figure out how to get the modifier keys to act like regular ones if pressed alone |
| 01:08.11 | genpfault | at least as far as the hotkeys system is concerned |
| 01:09.11 | genpfault | I'm a windows convert that likes to hit the windows key to bring up the K menu |
| 01:09.56 | Jucato | (what a waste of a key...) |
| 01:10.01 | lockd | <3s the windows key |
| 01:10.07 | genpfault | heh |
| 01:10.39 | thiago | Alt+F1 |
| 01:10.39 | genpfault | well, I also like being able to chord it with other keys, like hitting win+r to bring up the run window, or win+l to lock |
| 01:10.43 | Jucato | genpfault: afaik, in Linux (or KDE), once you make that meta key (win key) act like a regular one, you won't be able to use it with other keys anymore |
| 01:10.44 | thiago | genpfault: you can have only one of the two: |
| 01:10.52 | genpfault | bummer |
| 01:10.56 | thiago | genpfault: either it opens the K Menu, or it serves as a modifier |
| 01:11.09 | thiago | and since the K Menu has been opened for years with Alt+F1, use that |
| 01:11.16 | thiago | Run command: Alt+F2 |
| 01:11.19 | genpfault | alrighty |
| 01:11.35 | thiago | KWin's window menu: Alt+F3 (useful on full-screen and borderless windows) |
| 01:11.41 | genpfault | is this a KDE limitation, or an X problem? |
| 01:11.43 | lockd | i am used to Alt keys from ion3 |
| 01:11.45 | thiago | KWin's close window: Alt+F4 |
| 01:11.49 | Jucato | you can always make it open with Win+Space... or something... (although I prefer the Alt+F1-F3 stuff) |
| 01:11.58 | thiago | list all windows: Alt+F5 |
| 01:12.12 | thiago | I also assigned Maximise/Restore to Alt+F6 and Minimise to Alt+F7 |
| 01:12.14 | thiago | genpfault: KDE |
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| 01:12.34 | Jucato | ah I thought it was an X limitation |
| 01:12.38 | genpfault | thiago: thanks |
| 01:12.48 | thiago | Jucato: we can technically do it |
| 01:12.53 | thiago | we just choose not to |
| 01:12.54 | genpfault | juncato: with xev I can see individual keydown/keyup events |
| 01:13.11 | thiago | we think that modifier keys having actions is bad for usability |
| 01:13.20 | thiago | cf the Konqueror access keys |
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| 01:13.23 | Jucato | ah... then I will switch to GNOME now if they can allow me to launch my main menu with a single Win Key |
| 01:13.23 | genpfault | ahh |
| 01:13.25 | Jucato | ;) |
| 01:13.35 | Kasyx | j #kopete |
| 01:13.44 | thiago | people are thinking, reading text, then they tap Ctrl (or Win) to do some action, then they change their minds... wham! something else shows up |
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| 01:14.06 | Jucato | yeah... access keys, while being a nice feature, can be annoying... |
| 01:14.15 | thiago | I turned accessibility features on like that, by accident |
| 01:14.25 | Jucato | omg!! why not make a way to toggle it on/off in the GUI |
| 01:14.29 | thiago | Hold Shift down for 8 seconds |
| 01:14.34 | thiago | press Shift 5 times |
| 01:14.50 | genpfault | whoa, that does work |
| 01:15.09 | genpfault | tried that yesterday (holding down shift for a while), but nothing happened |
| 01:15.12 | TylerC | Hello, I am running KDE 3.5.5, and screensavers don't seem to be starting :S They were working fine yesterday |
| 01:15.13 | genpfault | guess I didn't do it long enough |
| 01:15.28 | thiago | the Accesibility features are tolerated because it's an industry standard (and X thing) |
| 01:15.37 | thiago | and you're given the option to turn them off completely at first use |
| 01:15.57 | Jucato | thiago: kpersonalizer? |
| 01:16.04 | thiago | the Access keys on Konqueror, OTOH, many people want it on, but would want it to be less intrusive |
| 01:16.11 | thiago | Jucato: no, if you turn them on by accident |
| 01:16.16 | Jucato | ah ok |
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| 01:16.55 | Jucato | really, Konqueror's Web Behavior settings is getting crowded... |
| 01:17.15 | genpfault | hrm, is firefox doing something wonky that messes up the launch detection? |
| 01:17.41 | thiago | genpfault: I think it's a known problem |
| 01:17.48 | TylerC | Speaking of Konqueror, does one know how to remove the watermark in the background of the file browser? |
| 01:17.48 | genpfault | ahhh |
| 01:17.52 | genpfault | alrighty then |
| 01:17.54 | Kasyx | TylerC: yup |
| 01:17.57 | Jucato | what launch detection? |
| 01:18.00 | Kasyx | TylerC: forgotten though, one sec |
| 01:18.06 | thiago | Jucato: bouncing icon |
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| 01:18.15 | TylerC | Okie Dokie |
| 01:18.16 | Jucato | TylerC: View menu -> Configure Background |
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| 01:18.20 | genpfault | Jucato: and taskbar entry |
| 01:18.20 | Jucato | thiago: aah |
| 01:18.21 | Kasyx | THat's the one |
| 01:18.43 | Jucato | sometimes Firefox doesn't launch immediately for me when launched from Katapult... oh well :) |
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| 01:19.37 | Kasyx | I don't suppose there's an issue where the composite manager forces X to gobble up the cpu time? |
| 01:19.42 | TylerC | Thanks |
| 01:20.27 | TylerC | Also, anyone know here why the screensaver might not be starting? |
| 01:20.42 | acemo | is it possible to run KDE 4 next to KDE 3.5.5? |
| 01:20.47 | flaccid | TylerC: distro? |
| 01:21.38 | shadok | same thing here for a long time TylerC , it can probably come from my dpms setting in xorg.conf but i did'nt look for a solution, i just turn off the screen ^^ |
| 01:21.41 | shadok | gentoo here |
| 01:22.05 | Kasyx | Is it electrichsheep you're trying to run? |
| 01:22.24 | Jucato | acemo: it's possible to build KDE 4 next to a stable KDE... as to why you would do so... that's the bigger question |
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| 01:22.48 | acemo | to try it out? |
| 01:23.26 | Jucato | acemo: hm... unless you're a developer, there's not much to see |
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| 01:24.31 | Tyler2 | Sorry about that, I pinged out |
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| 01:24.50 | Jucato | and the hassles of building it might not be worth it for mere curiousity |
| 01:24.54 | Tyler2 | The last message said was: <TylerC> FC6 |
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| 01:26.14 | Tyler2 | Did someone have a solution to the screen saver question I asked before I timed out.... |
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| 01:26.18 | acemo | jucato, any idea when trying out KDE 4 will be more intresting? (like 3 months? half a year? never?) |
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| 01:26.33 | Renze | acemo: when the betas start coming out |
| 01:26.35 | stoned | TIGER UPPERCUT! |
| 01:26.37 | Jucato | :) |
| 01:26.53 | stoned | TIGERR! TIGERR! TIGER UPPERCUT! |
| 01:26.56 | stoned | take that |
| 01:26.57 | Tyler2 | I can't wait for KDE4, can tap into QT4 than :D |
| 01:27.01 | stoned | Renze, whats up man |
| 01:27.02 | acemo | okay tnx |
| 01:27.07 | Renze | stoned: the sky |
| 01:27.10 | stoned | Renze, lame |
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| 01:27.17 | stoned | Renze, actually |
| 01:27.18 | Renze | stoned: yes, yes I am |
| 01:27.24 | stoned | Renze, maybe the sky is NOT up |
| 01:27.30 | Tiger | ? |
| 01:27.33 | Jucato | gah!!! lag... |
| 01:27.44 | stoned | cuz up and down is relative to our position in the universe |
| 01:27.52 | stoned | we don't know which way the universe is up or down |
| 01:27.53 | stoned | so... |
| 01:27.54 | Tiger | I'm the uppercut ! |
| 01:27.59 | stoned | Tiger, lol |
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| 01:28.10 | Tiger | Oh a shadok |
| 01:28.20 | stoned | "a" shadok |
| 01:28.21 | stoned | ? |
| 01:28.28 | stoned | dude thats a person not a rokc |
| 01:28.30 | stoned | rock* |
| 01:28.37 | Tiger | ;) |
| 01:28.46 | stoned | well you're one to talk |
| 01:28.49 | stoned | you're "a" tiger |
| 01:28.54 | stoned | wait, actually thats good |
| 01:28.56 | stoned | dammit |
| 01:29.06 | stoned | gimme a minute to come up with something.. |
| 01:29.12 | shadok | huhu |
| 01:29.29 | shadok | but he's right i'm a shadok :) |
| 01:29.45 | shadok | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Shadoks |
| 01:30.01 | shadok | "When one tries continuously, one ends up succeeding. Thus, the more one fails, the more one has chances that it works." |
| 01:30.05 | Tiger | lmao |
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| 01:33.38 | OrangeLady_ | Hello there! I've got a problem with real transparency in yakuake. konsole works fine. Kubuntu edgy, geforce fx 5200, binary nvidia-glx driver from repo, no compiz or beryl |
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| 01:34.19 | shadok | i didn't know of real transparency in yakuake wihtout compisiting managers |
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| 01:34.36 | OrangeLady_ | At first, the background is transparent, as supposed to, but after the second F12, transparency is off |
| 01:34.46 | OrangeLady_ | well, it works... |
| 01:35.21 | shadok | i just see the wallpaper, not the underlying window |
| 01:35.32 | Jucato | it's pseudo-transparency |
| 01:35.44 | shadok | ah :) |
| 01:35.51 | OrangeLady_ | shadok: that's the fake transparency, right, i can see underlying windows! |
| 01:36.05 | shadok | strange |
| 01:36.25 | Jucato | OrangeLady_: did you "Save as Default"? |
| 01:36.41 | OrangeLady_ | jucato: yes, i did |
| 01:36.53 | Jucato | hm.... |
| 01:37.06 | apokryphos | real transparency is surprisingly not half as useful as I thought it could be |
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| 01:37.23 | OrangeLady_ | jucato: and in konsole, if i open a second terminal, it works |
| 01:37.35 | acemo | lol thaigo, that would be nice |
| 01:37.35 | Renze | thiago: the backlight |
| 01:37.40 | apokryphos | true, very mild transparent cube is pretty nice |
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| 01:38.00 | Jucato | hi apokryphos! |
| 01:38.06 | shadok | apokryphos: same thing here, i used to be enthusiast about beryl and all that stuff but i just came back to kwin, quicker, better, more features... |
| 01:38.13 | apokryphos | Jucato: hey, how's it going? |
| 01:38.20 | Tyler2 | What would display power managment have to do with the Screensaver, especially if the Screensaver doesn't work when display power managment is disabled. |
| 01:38.27 | apokryphos | shadok: I only talked about transparency :P |
| 01:38.29 | Jucato | apokryphos: doing fine... just hungry...haven't had breakfast yet :P |
| 01:38.33 | apokryphos | I still use beryl these days |
| 01:38.43 | apokryphos | Jucato: what timezone? |
| 01:38.45 | shadok | apokryphos: i taltked about pretty everything in beryl :p |
| 01:38.56 | Jucato | apokryphos: +8 GMT/UTC |
| 01:39.11 | madd_matt | Question for a beryl user: Does it include something like expose in mac osx? |
| 01:39.11 | apokryphos | shadok: I really like scale, which actually improves my workflow, but the app changer is nice |
| 01:39.12 | OrangeLady_ | does anybody have an idea? |
| 01:39.23 | apokryphos | and having something pretty like burn around is good too |
| 01:39.26 | Jucato | heh brb... late breakfast :P |
| 01:39.31 | shadok | i used it for a few months but its lack of reactivity makes me mad |
| 01:39.42 | apokryphos | any examples? |
| 01:40.18 | shadok | apokryphos: right, i love scale but i can't think of it when i need it |
| 01:40.30 | shadok | apokryphos: resizing, moving windows |
| 01:40.38 | apokryphos | shadok: switching between your open apps, of course |
| 01:41.06 | apokryphos | shadok: I don't really see how they've got a lack of creativity there |
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| 01:41.43 | shadok | yep but i'm so aaccustomed to alt + tab that i can't get the reflex |
| 01:42.02 | shadok | apokryphos: reactivity, not creativity |
| 01:42.12 | apokryphos | alt+tab's not so good when you've got 5+ apps open |
| 01:42.16 | apokryphos | oh right, sorry |
| 01:42.20 | shadok | :) |
| 01:42.23 | apokryphos | yes, resize is pretty slow |
| 01:42.30 | shadok | in this case i use the taskbar |
| 01:42.34 | OrangeLady_ | i actually do like the real transparency for my console, since i often read something in my browser and then call up the console. Yakuake is especially great for this. And transparency would make it easy to go on reading. |
| 01:42.55 | apokryphos | but transparent console makes it surprisingly hard to read text |
| 01:43.06 | shadok | right :p |
| 01:43.06 | apokryphos | unless you have a very small tint, in which case what's behind is not so obvious |
| 01:43.46 | apokryphos | what you like about yakuake seems to be its quick activation, not its transparency |
| 01:43.54 | apokryphos | (since, indeed, it doesn' thave real trans) |
| 01:44.36 | OrangeLady_ | well, over here it has real trans! |
| 01:44.47 | shadok | maybe a kubuntu patch |
| 01:44.59 | Jucato | ?? |
| 01:45.21 | Jucato | there's no real transparency for Yakuake on Kubuntu |
| 01:45.27 | shadok | ah |
| 01:45.34 | apokryphos | exactly |
| 01:45.42 | OrangeLady_ | yes, there is, wanna see my screenshot? |
| 01:45.47 | apokryphos | yes please |
| 01:46.04 | OrangeLady_ | anybody know, where I could post it? |
| 01:46.06 | apokryphos | make sure you've got a window behind it :P |
| 01:46.19 | apokryphos | imageshack / flickr / ringo |
| 01:46.22 | OrangeLady_ | sure, i'm not stupid, thanks... |
| 01:47.17 | apokryphos | ubuntu used to have a nice pastebin that supported screenshots, but no more |
| 01:47.53 | Sho_ | Konsole does actually have some code to use an ARGB visual for real translucency, but it's disabled by default since it has undesirable side-effects. It's possible to patch the source to re-enable it, and copy over some of the code to Yakuake so it works there with the Konsole kpart, too. It's possible that an irresponsible distribution might do that for the eyecandy factor. |
| 01:48.28 | OrangeLady_ | http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yakuake1stkr6.png |
| 01:48.53 | OrangeLady_ | there you go! |
| 01:48.56 | apokryphos | no composite manager running? |
| 01:49.17 | apokryphos | and, if something changes in the background, does it change through yakuake as well? |
| 01:49.20 | Kasyx | OrangeLady_: that looks composite to me |
| 01:49.29 | OrangeLady_ | well, none that i know of... |
| 01:49.35 | OrangeLady_ | yes, it changes |
| 01:49.41 | thiago | if there's no composite manager, true transparency doesn't work |
| 01:49.41 | shadok | ps aux |grep xcomp :) |
| 01:49.44 | Kasyx | OrangeLady_: and as an aside, are you using the svn version of kopete? |
| 01:49.46 | thiago | you can only use fake transparency |
| 01:49.57 | thiago | that means: Konsole grabs the background and draws over it |
| 01:50.00 | Renze | shadok: it might be kompmgr |
| 01:50.03 | Sho_ | The screenshot shows window-level translucency, nothing Yakuake does |
| 01:50.13 | shadok | Renze: ah didn't know of this one :) |
| 01:50.21 | OrangeLady_ | kasyx: no |
| 01:50.38 | Kasyx | OrangeLady_: ah, ok. Thanks |
| 01:51.13 | OrangeLady_ | i have only out-of-the-box kubuntu edgy + nvidia-glx driver from repo |
| 01:51.39 | apokryphos | are you *sure* i.e. flashing adds in the background still flash? |
| 01:51.54 | apokryphos | if so, it must be kompmgr |
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| 01:52.28 | apokryphos | anyhow, have to go now |
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| 01:57.33 | OrangeLady_ | found a flashing site, and yes, it still shows |
| 01:58.34 | shadok | does ps aux |grep omp gives you something ? |
| 01:58.50 | shadok | Renze: as you see i'm bad in regexp :p) |
| 01:59.01 | shadok | s/in/at |
| 01:59.03 | Renze | shadok: so am I |
| 01:59.27 | shadok | ah i thought not :) |
| 01:59.35 | OrangeLady_ | i think, in edgy, kompmgr is installed by default, so yes, it is kompmgr |
| 01:59.44 | Renze | shadok: I can only do simple regexp |
| 02:00.00 | shadok | OrangeLady_: so that is an edgy related bug :( |
| 02:00.30 | shadok | Renze: i thought you were developing :p |
| 02:00.46 | Renze | shadok: not yet |
| 02:00.51 | shadok | :) |
| 02:01.34 | OrangeLady_ | shadok: yes, the above grep gives kompmgr, and thanks anyway, i will ask the kubuntu guys |
| 02:01.48 | shadok | OrangeLady_: you're welcome |
| 02:02.15 | shadok | you can check launchpad for a bug or fill one if you can't find this one |
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| 02:22.51 | Red-Sox | Okay so I set the default thingy to OS X right? |
| 02:23.10 | Red-Sox | Y'know the wizard that starts the first time you log in to KDE |
| 02:23.20 | Red-Sox | I hate the bar at the top, y'know? Anyway to get it off? |
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| 02:23.45 | Hedos | Hi. I just changed my default screen resolution from KDE.. now when I start X, I see the mouse pointer for a split second then it comes back to console mode with a: kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed. |
| 02:23.46 | wolsni | Red-Sox: you can right click on the desktop and choose 'configure desktop' |
| 02:23.53 | Hedos | How could I change back the screen resolution to leave it to my xorg.conf default, as it was before, from the console? |
| 02:23.57 | skreet | What's a good GUI CD ripper application for KDE? |
| 02:24.05 | wolsni | Red-Sox: the menu bar option is in the behavior section of that dialog |
| 02:24.09 | Renze | skreet: konqueror |
| 02:24.20 | skreet | Renze: Konqueror does CD ripping? |
| 02:24.22 | skreet | >.< |
| 02:24.28 | Renze | skreet: put "audiocd:/" in the location bar |
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| 02:24.59 | Renze | skreet: if you want mp3s, drag and drop from the mp3 folder |
| 02:25.05 | Red-Sox | wolsni: thanks mate |
| 02:25.13 | wolsni | np |
| 02:25.13 | skreet | Looking into that, hang on.. |
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| 02:26.23 | Hedos | How can I change the screen resolution set by KDE from the console? Is there a config file somewhere? |
| 02:26.25 | skreet | Renze: I'll have to look into it later I guess, apprenlty my kernel doesn't see my CD drive. |
| 02:26.37 | Renze | skreet: weird |
| 02:27.32 | Red-Sox | And a good dock for KDE? |
| 02:27.44 | skreet | Renze: Well, it's there -- it won't mount.. You don't have to mount an audio cd any differently do you? |
| 02:27.47 | Renze | Red-Sox: there are no good ones, but you could try kxdocker |
| 02:27.55 | Red-Sox | Renze: aww :( |
| 02:28.01 | Renze | skreet: you don't have to mount an audiocd at all |
| 02:28.11 | Jucato | kxdocker, ksmoothdock, kiba, or superkaramba |
| 02:28.11 | skreet | Renze: Hmm |
| 02:28.16 | Renze | skreet: audiocds have no filesystem |
| 02:28.23 | skreet | Renze: That's a good point. |
| 02:28.40 | skreet | Renze: Hmm Konqueror doesn't have read permission to that device, I guess. |
| 02:28.43 | Red-Sox | Jucato: Which one would you say you like the best, mate? |
| 02:28.51 | Renze | skreet: check your user's groups |
| 02:28.55 | Jucato | I haven't tried any of them :) |
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| 02:29.07 | skreet | Renze: Trying as root, first. |
| 02:29.18 | Red-Sox | Renze: kxdocker doesn't want to start... |
| 02:29.30 | Renze | Red-Sox: not my problem. I don't use any of them either |
| 02:29.42 | Red-Sox | Renze: Oh okay... |
| 02:29.43 | skreet | Renze: Not that I don't want MP3's but can it be configured to have a virtual Ogg folder too? (It works, by the way) |
| 02:30.07 | Renze | skreet: it will already have mp3, ogg, and flac by default, I believe |
| 02:30.25 | Renze | skreet: assuming the appropriate commandline tools are installed |
| 02:30.27 | AssociateX | Hello people |
| 02:30.29 | qupada | skreet: since i missed the beginning of this conversation, are you using audiocd:/ ? |
| 02:30.34 | skreet | Renze: If I change my users group do I have to relog into KDE? |
| 02:30.36 | skreet | qupada: Yes. |
| 02:30.39 | Renze | skreet: no |
| 02:30.55 | skreet | Renze: Added my user to "audiocd" and reopened konqueror but no luck -- is there a different user-group? |
| 02:30.58 | AssociateX | what's the best kde app to find installed apps and add them to the menu? |
| 02:31.06 | Renze | skreet: depends on your distro |
| 02:31.18 | skreet | Renze: By "audiocd" i meant "cdrom" -- checking. |
| 02:31.32 | Renze | AssociateX: kappfinder |
| 02:31.35 | qupada | skreet: it's 'cdrom' on my system |
| 02:31.40 | AssociateX | I'll try it |
| 02:31.47 | Renze | AssociateX: but it will only find apps it knows about |
| 02:31.51 | Kasyx | skreet: gentoo ftw |
| 02:31.52 | Kasyx | ;-) |
| 02:31.56 | Renze | skreet: so am I |
| 02:32.06 | Kasyx | skreet: cdrom group? |
| 02:32.12 | skreet | Renze: Added user to cdrom, but no luck -- works as root. |
| 02:32.15 | AssociateX | <---- Gentoo here |
| 02:32.17 | skreet | I'll try re-logging into KDE |
| 02:32.22 | Renze | 'k |
| 02:32.24 | skreet | If it doesn't work I'll be back |
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| 02:34.24 | Renze | bah, that pumpkin soup only made me hungrier... |
| 02:35.11 | Jucato | eww.. pumpkin... |
| 02:35.18 | Renze | yum, pumpkin |
| 02:35.41 | Jucato | eww.. pumpkin... |
| 02:35.49 | Renze | Jucato: you have such a limited palate |
| 02:36.00 | AssociateX | Renze, how do we make it know about more apps? |
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| 02:36.07 | Jucato | no.... i just don't have a palate for pumpkin and squash |
| 02:36.07 | Renze | AssociateX: change the code |
| 02:36.09 | AssociateX | kappfinder^^^ |
| 02:36.36 | qupada | pumpkin soup is the only way i'll eat pumpkin. and that's mostly just because you can add loads of pepper so it doesn't taste like pumpkin at all |
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| 02:36.59 | Renze | AssociateX: actually, have a look in /usr/kde/3.5/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/ |
| 02:37.17 | Renze | qupada: I love pumpkin... especially roasted |
| 02:37.17 | AssociateX | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.27 | Renze | pumpkin tastes great! |
| 02:37.27 | troy | ping canllaith |
| 02:37.50 | AssociateX | Renze, I'm trying to figure out how they do things so I can contribute if I can |
| 02:37.55 | Jucato | eww.. pumpkin... |
| 02:38.10 | Renze | picky eaters... *sigh* |
| 02:38.14 | troy | AssociateX: are you looking for new things to install, test, code? |
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| 02:39.40 | troy | AssociateX: ahh, I understand... you want to add more apps to the kappfinder list |
| 02:39.44 | AssociateX | troy, I don't think that kappfinder detects enough apps. I'm looking to see if I can help by some simple help (nothing too complex and beyond my skill level.) |
| 02:39.53 | AssociateX | yes |
| 02:40.02 | troy | AssociateX: that doesn't even think that's too hard... |
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| 02:40.37 | qupada | AssociateX: if it doesn't detect things, there is a high probability that it's something to do with the $PATH variable |
| 02:41.11 | AssociateX | so far it looks like it's just a matter of making *.desktop files for each app. |
| 02:41.28 | Jucato | it doesn't detect apps that don't have .desktop files... |
| 02:41.30 | Jucato | afaik |
| 02:41.44 | troy | AssociateX: that's exactly it, so for each new app, you'd have to create a .Desktop file... |
| 02:41.52 | AssociateX | locate kappfinder|grep savage <--- yeah, because that not bringing up anything |
| 02:42.19 | troy | AssociateX: and either find the maintainer of kappfinder and submit though them, or see if you can get write access to the kde source tree :) |
| 02:42.29 | AssociateX | ok, so those .desktop files are auto created by some C magic |
| 02:43.13 | Jucato | they usually come with the source code... |
| 02:43.20 | Jucato | or the packaging... whichever.. |
| 02:43.42 | troy | I think these ones are mostly hand created and translated... |
| 02:43.53 | troy | that's probably why there's so many missing apps |
| 02:44.08 | Jucato | uhuh |
| 02:44.43 | troy | so, no coding required... just ignore the translations for now... once the .Desktop file exists, translaters will slowly tackle them |
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| 02:45.15 | AssociateX | troy, you think so? |
| 02:45.27 | AssociateX | That's the part that had me leery |
| 02:45.50 | AssociateX | all the foreign language support |
| 02:46.22 | troy | yeah, there's a team of translaters that sweeps through before every release to update all the translations where required... |
| 02:46.49 | troy | that's actually possibly one of the best parts of KDE, the huge international team that exists just to translate stuff |
| 02:46.57 | AssociateX | I wonder if Qt Linguist could help |
| 02:47.16 | AssociateX | lol, I've never even looked at that app before, I should look before I talk |
| 02:47.21 | AssociateX | s/talk/type |
| 02:47.28 | troy | that usually helps for translation of strings used in the actual apps... not in text files |
| 02:47.47 | troy | so, it wouldn't help for the .Desktop files or for help documents, for example... |
| 02:47.48 | AssociateX | cool |
| 02:49.44 | troy | anyway, that's the sort of contribution that most of the coders don't have a lot of time for, but is really helpful to making the desktop experience more polished... help would gladly be accepted... |
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| 02:56.51 | AssociateX | troy, to the kappfinder maintainer? |
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| 03:06.20 | shadok | my keyboard shortcuts doesn't work for a day now, where can i check or what is the name af the app that manages them ? |
| 03:06.56 | shadok | i just checked kcontrol, everything is ok in keyboard shortcuts panel |
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| 03:17.27 | JohnMS | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.04 | Jucato | what do you mean? |
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| 03:18.41 | JohnMS | Several versions ago I was able to have my notes displayed on my desktop top like little post-it notes. Now they only are listed in Kontact. |
| 03:19.22 | Jucato | JohnMS: run KNotes separately from Kontact (you might want to remove KNotes from Kontact, too) |
| 03:19.46 | Jucato | just launch KNotes, and you'll have a system tray icon for it. |
| 03:20.22 | JohnMS | Everytime I try to run Knotes it automatically launches Kontact. |
| 03:20.46 | Jucato | hm... |
| 03:21.07 | Jucato | you don't want KNotes in Kontact anymore, right? |
| 03:21.35 | JohnMS | Nope, doesn't do any good to have notes that aren't in front of you. :) |
| 03:21.48 | Jucato | in Kontact, Settings menu -> Configure Kontact -> click Select Components and uncheck [ ] Notes |
| 03:23.48 | JohnMS | jucato: thanks. :) |
| 03:24.00 | Jucato | no problem :) |
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| 03:40.09 | TylerC | Does anyone know how to get rid of the ? Button in the Title Bar towards the left of your Minimize, Maximize, and Close Buttons (KDE 3.5) |
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| 03:40.55 | teatime | TylerC: rightclick the bar -> configure -> window deco -> buttons |
| 03:41.19 | teatime | that one is useful though :) |
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| 03:41.46 | TylerC | I have Show Window button tooltips unchecked though :S |
| 03:42.34 | wolsni | TylerC: tooltips are those little popup boxes that show up to tell you what a button does if you leave the mouse there too long |
| 03:43.01 | TylerC | Ah |
| 03:43.16 | wolsni | TylerC: you can drag the buttons around in the example titlebar in that dialog |
| 03:43.24 | TylerC | I just customized the titlebar and dragged the Help Icon off the Bar into that editbox :) |
| 03:43.32 | wolsni | there you go |
| 03:44.56 | TylerC | Also, my screen savers only work if I have 'Enable display power managment' enabled in Display Settings |
| 03:45.00 | TylerC | Is this normal? |
| 03:45.31 | TylerC | Doesn't make sense, they were working fine yesterday without it enabled... |
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| 03:57.27 | jordo23 | How do you manage KDM themes? |
| 03:58.15 | Jucato | jordo23: you can either edit config files manually, or install something like the kdmtheme app to manage them through kcontrol |
| 03:59.31 | jordo23 | Jucato: I think I have it installed....but I don't see it in KControl....I get an error message everytime KDM starts stating that it can't access theme Kubuntu |
| 04:00.12 | Jucato | jordo23: the package is kdmtheme... then it's in KControl -> System Administration -> KDM Theme Manager |
| 04:01.03 | Jucato | the Kubuntu kdm theme should be installed by default, unless you did something special |
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| 04:01.03 | dob1 | hi |
| 04:01.35 | dob1 | how can i use the rot13 with knode? |
| 04:01.56 | Renze | you mean you can't decode it in your head? ;) |
| 04:02.21 | Jucato | jordo23: if you want, you can check /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, look for the Theme= entry and make sure it's pointing to a valid location |
| 04:02.47 | shadok | rot13 HAHA |
| 04:02.59 | jordo23 | Jucato: I got the theme manager working....one other question.....everytime I apt-get something it lists a ton of packages that are |
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| 04:03.09 | jordo23 | Jucato: No longer required for download |
| 04:03.11 | dob1 | Renze: eh :) no i found how to decode article writes as rot13, but not how to encode somw phrases |
| 04:03.26 | Jucato | jordo23: let's take this into #kubuntu |
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| 04:03.28 | shadok | dob1: are you joking ? |
| 04:03.35 | jordo23 | Jucato: ok |
| 04:03.39 | shadok | don't play with military grade encryption :p |
| 04:04.30 | dob1 | shadok: ok, i didn't understand :) |
| 04:04.36 | shadok | *schbleng* |
| 04:05.15 | shadok | dob1: rot13 means rotation over 13 characters |
| 04:05.32 | Renze | also known as half the alphabet |
| 04:05.39 | Renze | a becomes n, b becomes o, etc |
| 04:05.50 | dob1 | shadok: yes ok, but if i want to write it i have to do it with my hands or there is a tool for this ? :) |
| 04:06.02 | shadok | so to "encode" just substract 13 characters to your plaintext and you'll get you encoded message |
| 04:06.15 | shadok | http://rot13page.googlepages.com/ |
| 04:06.42 | Renze | ebg13 vf abguvat ohg n wbxr |
| 04:07.18 | shadok | orggn guvax bs nabgure nytbevguz |
| 04:07.48 | dob1 | shadok: ok so the answer to my question is : knode have nothing to do this.... |
| 04:07.58 | shadok | ahem ^^ |
| 04:08.27 | Renze | rot13 is about as secure as a wet tissue |
| 04:08.30 | shadok | rot13 never have been a cryptographic algorithm (altough not for a few thousand years) |
| 04:08.40 | shadok | rot13 = plaintext, no less |
| 04:09.06 | dob1 | ok, is only to write some spoiler on a newsgroup i don't have to write secret code or the formula of some bomb :) |
| 04:09.37 | shadok | ah, do it with this website so |
| 04:09.37 | Renze | bomb? drop a chunk of frozen acetylene into a pool of liquid ozone ;) |
| 04:09.49 | shadok | but don't count on knodes devs to bring you that :p |
| 04:09.57 | shadok | Renze: huhu |
| 04:10.01 | dob1 | lol |
| 04:10.18 | shadok | five tons of potassium in a water pool can be cool too |
| 04:10.33 | Renze | shadok: s/potassium/francium/ |
| 04:10.40 | Renze | much bigger bang |
| 04:10.51 | shadok | i was looking for kalzium to check ^^ |
| 04:12.01 | shadok | rhaa f*****g keyboard shortcuts |
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| 04:14.19 | shadok | anybody knows the name of the keyboard shortcut "service" ? |
| 04:16.40 | Jucato | khotkeys? |
| 04:18.14 | shadok | erf ^^ thx but it doesn't solve my problem and i wonder why |
| 04:18.53 | shadok | (khotnewstuff what a cool app) |
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| 04:23.05 | Buddha| | Is it possible to have application thumbnails in place of the taskbar? |
| 04:23.32 | Renze | Buddha|: if you write a new taskbar applet, yes ;) |
| 04:23.46 | Jucato | that would be a nice feature :) |
| 04:24.23 | Buddha| | Okay, what about setting a start page in Konqueror? |
| 04:24.40 | Renze | Buddha|: browse to the page you want, and save your profile |
| 04:25.29 | shadok | can't find why my "go to desktop X" works and not my "run command" one |
| 04:30.13 | shadok | i suspect that new version of beryl... grr |
| 04:30.47 | Jucato | beryl doesn't make use of KWin global shortcuts |
| 04:30.59 | Jucato | afaik... |
| 04:31.25 | shadok | no but i set the run command one and even it is in disabled state i only see beryl that could cause problème |
| 04:31.30 | shadok | oops :p |
| 04:31.43 | Jucato | ?? |
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| 04:33.16 | shadok | ahem.. : beryl is actually launched but i did set it on kwin as my wm, and i did set the same run command shortcut to beryl thant in kde, so, even tough it is displayed as disabled in beryl i guess beryl intercept that shortcut and execute nothing |
| 04:33.33 | Jucato | oh... |
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| 04:34.07 | shadok | happy that you understood this sentence ^^ |
| 04:34.18 | Renze | that's what happens when you gnome... er... kludge your desktop :D |
| 04:34.25 | shadok | bah :p |
| 04:34.36 | Jucato | heh... I just pretended I understood :P |
| 04:34.45 | shadok | Jucato: meh ! :p |
| 04:35.01 | Jucato | make install is taking longer than make... :( |
| 04:35.08 | shadok | Renze: i want to create a session for plain kde but i'm too lazy to do it |
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| 04:50.12 | jordo23 | Jucato: Did you see the pastebin in #kubuntu? |
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| 04:52.29 | nondysjunction | hello |
| 04:53.26 | nondysjunction | I was wondering if anyone here has been using beryl with kde 3.5.5. I am trying to get karamba to display properly im beryl. So far I've had no luck. And, I thought I'd take a shot at asking here, as #beryl is kind of slow. |
| 04:53.47 | Renze | karamba only uses fake transparency |
| 04:54.03 | nondysjunction | I can't get karamba to display on each side of the cube, even with "All Desktops" selected. |
| 04:54.30 | nondysjunction | Renze: Transparency isn't my issue. Though, long time no see. Do you ever sleep? XD |
| 04:54.42 | Renze | I sleep quite often |
| 04:54.50 | Renze | but not at 5:53pm |
| 04:55.00 | nondysjunction | Aha. |
| 04:55.34 | Renze | I don't use beryl (I choose not to kludge my desktop for eye-candy) so I can't help you |
| 04:55.36 | nondysjunction | Alright, well if you have any insight, it would be appreciated. I know it can be done, I've seen it done. I just can't quie figure it out. >_< |
| 04:55.38 | hollywoodb | nondysjunction: I think beryl/compiz and just about everything else (including KDE) handle "desktops" differently |
| 04:56.39 | nondysjunction | hollywoodb: yeah, beryl has an expansive multiple desktop configuration section, to allow you to get it working with all sorts of things. |
| 04:57.20 | Dhraakellian | what would cause me to have multiple dcopserver sessions? |
| 04:57.50 | Renze | Dhraakellian: more than one active KDE session? |
| 04:58.06 | Renze | Dhraakellian: more than one user using dcop? |
| 04:58.09 | Dhraakellian | Renze: not as far as I can tell |
| 04:58.18 | Dhraakellian | for my user |
| 04:58.23 | hollywoodb | nondysjunction: apparently not everything yet then :) I believe beryl sets # of KDE desktops to "1" and then generates as many desktops of its own as you set beryl to use.... therefore you only get karamba on the 1 KDE desktop |
| 04:59.02 | nondysjunction | hollywoodb: Hmm, I've seen beryl displayed on all beryl desktops before though, with the "All Desktops" option. |
| 04:59.32 | Renze | I think that first beryl should be superkaramba :S |
| 04:59.54 | iLLf8d | anyone know if there is any cpufreq/centrino/speedstep applet in kde? how to start kwifimanager at startup in kde? lmsensors and hddtemp applet? I found ksensors but thats pretty ugly |
| 05:00.26 | hollywoodb | nondysjunction: I've tried beryl/compiz with both KDE and Gnome some time back, and I know it set KDE's native desktops to "1" and did the same thing for Gnome... I don't have it around to test with anymore though |
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| 05:02.46 | iLLf8d | beryl uses 1 desktop so there should be some way to setup karamba to display on them all (identically) |
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| 05:04.09 | nondysjunction | iLLf8d: :) If you have any suggestions, I'm listening. I've been fiddling with the configurations though, for a long time now, trying to get something working. |
| 05:04.55 | iLLf8d | the beryl person I know isn't on atm tho I've overheard alot of convos about it =P |
| 05:05.53 | iLLf8d | I was using compiz but it was more of a toy for me |
| 05:05.53 | iLLf8d | I didn't like the 1 desktop setup |
| 05:05.53 | iLLf8d | the pager always got crushed down to one workspace |
| 05:05.55 | iLLf8d | although I was big into clicking it on for like 20 seconds to wave around a window and spin the cube and flaten the workspaces =P |
| 05:06.01 | iLLf8d | then I'd turn it off again |
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| 05:18.19 | iLLf8d | hrm |
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| 06:39.08 | Jucato | is KConfigEditor and KConfig XT still around? |
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| 06:41.53 | aseigo_afk | Jucato: yes. why? |
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| 06:42.17 | fhobia | is there anyway to get konqueror not to launch programs for a file if you click on it once...? i'd like to just use single click for selecting stuff... |
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| 06:42.24 | Jucato | heh just came across them while Googling for KConfig :) |
| 06:43.37 | aseigo_afk | fhobia: in the mouse control panel |
| 06:44.01 | Jucato | I'm came across a slight problem... can't seem to access khtmlrc... because it doesn't exist yet... I thought KConfig khtmlconfig("khtmlrc", true, false); would create the file if it doesn't exist yet... |
| 06:44.14 | Jucato | fhobia: KControl -> Peripherals -> Mouse |
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| 06:45.26 | fhobia | ah, thanks guys |
| 06:45.39 | fhobia | ...i use fvwm with konqueror, so never thought to look in kcontrol, doh! |
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| 06:47.00 | canllaith | Gday aseigo, Jucato |
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| 06:47.18 | Jucato | aseigo: I changed something in kdebase (kcontrol), so I run make in the build directory. do I also have to run a full make install too? or is there some shortcut... (make install is taking longer than make...) |
| 06:47.24 | Jucato | canllaith: hello! :) |
| 06:47.38 | aseigo | Jucato: if it's just one module, you can just make && make install in that one module |
| 06:47.40 | aseigo | canllaith: yo yo |
| 06:47.58 | canllaith | aseigo: should my KDE4 be telling me it doesn't know what application/octet stream mimetype is? |
| 06:48.07 | Jucato | ah thanks... gosh I've been doing it the hard way... |
| 06:48.12 | aseigo | canllaith: preferably not ;) |
| 06:48.21 | canllaith | :P |
| 06:48.32 | canllaith | I tried kbuildsycoca but it was still grumpy with me |
| 06:50.47 | canllaith | Hrm. |
| 06:50.55 | canllaith | It can't find the .desktop files for the kcm modules |
| 06:50.59 | Jucato | heh... all I had to do was run make && make install in kdebase/kcontrol... :P |
| 06:51.07 | canllaith | Unless I do kcmshell <modulename> from the command line. That works. |
| 06:51.21 | Jucato | oh yeah, same here canllaith |
| 06:51.29 | Jucato | kde4 I mean |
| 06:51.32 | canllaith | Ah ok, so if that is just the state it is in that's ok then |
| 06:51.33 | aseigo | canllaith: yeah, kcontrol hasn't been 'fixed'. the modules have been moved to services/ iirc |
| 06:51.37 | canllaith | Right :) |
| 06:51.53 | aseigo | and by "iirc" i believe i was the one who did that. or something. |
| 06:51.56 | aseigo | last year =) |
| 06:51.57 | canllaith | heh |
| 06:52.00 | aseigo | fuck kcontrol. seriously. |
| 06:52.02 | canllaith | ksysguard is astonishingly pretty |
| 06:52.02 | Jucato | heh :) |
| 06:52.13 | Jucato | seriously... kcontrol needs... um... :) |
| 06:52.33 | Jucato | but isn't kcontrol just a pretty GUI to house kcm modules? |
| 06:52.40 | canllaith | oooh kcmshell is unhappy =) |
| 06:52.47 | canllaith | Jucato: not so pretty. |
| 06:53.14 | canllaith | Wow, kicker is teh brokeness |
| 06:53.28 | Jucato | hehe not so pretty anymore... |
| 06:54.00 | canllaith | and I crashed the kmenu applet |
| 06:54.02 | canllaith | yay me! |
| 06:54.32 | Jucato | lol :) |
| 06:54.52 | Jucato | yay it worky!!!!! |
| 06:54.55 | aseigo | canllaith: we enjoy kicker being broken |
| 06:55.04 | Jucato | except for one issue... |
| 06:55.15 | canllaith | aseigo: I'm very upset. Very, very upset. |
| 06:55.25 | canllaith | aseigo: It's ok that I can't use it to launch commands. That's ok. |
| 06:55.31 | Jucato | aseigo: oh btw... a question about plasma that you could probably blog about someday... "what is it, really?" |
| 06:55.33 | aseigo | canllaith: you'll be happy once the grand vision has been met =P |
| 06:55.35 | canllaith | aseigo: It's ok that I can't actually use it as a task switcher. No big deal. |
| 06:55.40 | aseigo | Jucato: my left night |
| 06:55.41 | aseigo | er, nut |
| 06:55.47 | canllaith | aseigo: No, what has me very upset is I CANNOT GET TO THE DIALOGUE THAT HAS MY NAME IN IT! |
| 06:55.48 | Jucato | roflmao |
| 06:55.51 | canllaith | <---- Very unhappy. |
| 06:56.02 | Jucato | canllaith: what dialog is that? |
| 06:56.07 | aseigo | canllaith: aw, kitty cat, all will be better one day |
| 06:56.17 | canllaith | Jucato: The one where all the l33t cool kicker hackers are. |
| 06:56.21 | canllaith | aseigo: *sniff* |
| 06:56.24 | Jucato | ooh |
| 06:57.20 | Jucato | ah.. in the Thanks to tab :P |
| 06:58.13 | canllaith | Jucato: aseigo bribed me into a task that essentially involved reading through most of kicker's source code with this line: aboutData.addCredit("Jessica Hall", /* I18N_NOOP("KConfigXT") */ 0, "jes.hall@kdemail.net"); |
| 06:58.20 | canllaith | Yes, sadly, I am that cheap. |
| 06:58.28 | aseigo | but worth every penny |
| 06:58.39 | canllaith | I stepped right into that ;) |
| 06:58.48 | Jucato | hehe :) |
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| 06:59.23 | Jucato | grr.. something is terribly wrong with my internet connection!! |
| 06:59.42 | canllaith | Well, the loading KDE splash scree is awesome, cause I'm in it, and ksysguard is great |
| 06:59.49 | canllaith | What are we waiting for? Lets ship it. |
| 06:59.56 | Jucato | um... would any of you happen to know where the default setting for the Access Keys in KHTML are defined? |
| 07:00.26 | Jucato | it's my problem #1 for this patch... |
| 07:02.22 | Jucato | ugh... they must be defined somewhere? |
| 07:02.59 | aseigo | access keys? there's just the accel.. ctrl... |
| 07:03.10 | aseigo | they are dynamically generated for the page |
| 07:03.37 | Jucato | I mean, they're enabled by default right? and you can turn them off by adding [Access Keys] Enabled=false in konquerorrc or khtmlrc... |
| 07:03.55 | canllaith | You can also disable them with acessibility settings I believe |
| 07:04.15 | canllaith | aseigo: have you looked at the oxygen icon theme recently? |
| 07:04.20 | Jucato | nope... it's one of the complaints (and hidden settings) in KDE/Konqueror... |
| 07:04.20 | aseigo | Jucato: yes |
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| 07:05.05 | Jucato | oooh... |
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| 07:06.23 | aseigo | Jucato: and defaultHTMLSettings refers to the class in kthml/html_settings.h |
| 07:07.23 | Jucato | actually, this is my problem... the checkbox I made reads from konquerorrc (couldn't make it read/write from/to khtmlrc... because it doesn't exist by default). but konquerorrc doesn't have that setting for access keys initially. So when you initially see the settings, the checkbox is unchecked, even if Access Keys is enabled... |
| 07:09.03 | aseigo | haha |
| 07:09.07 | Jucato | someday... |
| 07:09.07 | aseigo | not even for an about line in knoqi? |
| 07:09.18 | canllaith | aseigo: baby, you know I'd do anything for you. |
| 07:09.27 | canllaith | oh heck |
| 07:09.33 | canllaith | for an about line in konqi I'm anyone's ;) |
| 07:09.37 | canllaith | Sure I'd do it. |
| 07:10.14 | Jucato | it's not in kdelibs/khtml/khtml_settings.h |
| 07:10.31 | Jucato | there's only bool accessKeysEnabled() const; |
| 07:10.38 | aseigo | right .look in the .cc file =) |
| 07:10.43 | Jucato | oh lol |
| 07:10.51 | canllaith | aseigo: So if you seriously want someone to do it and don't mind some hand-holding sure. |
| 07:11.11 | Jucato | oh there :P |
| 07:11.28 | Jucato | bool m_accessKeysEnabled : 1 |
| 07:11.59 | Jucato | ugh.... I think I'm going way over my head... :( |
| 07:12.05 | aseigo | that just means "true" |
| 07:12.23 | aseigo | the :1 is because it's a bitfield. c++ compilers do crazy shit when you have a number of bools in a row with init like :1 |
| 07:12.25 | Jucato | heh no not that... |
| 07:12.27 | aseigo | efficiency. |
| 07:12.33 | aseigo | search fo m_accessKeysEnabled in any case |
| 07:13.42 | Jucato | I was trying to think of how to read that setting (since it's not in a kglobalsettings.h) in kcontrol/konqhtml/htmlopts.cpp... |
| 07:14.04 | Jucato | oh wait... #include "khtml_settings.h" duh! |
| 07:14.39 | canllaith | Why was I launching firefox..... |
| 07:15.02 | Jucato | hm... |
| 07:15.25 | aseigo | (fill in the blank with body parts of your choice) |
| 07:16.20 | Jucato | rofl |
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| 07:20.12 | Jucato | aseigo: will this work: "m_pAccessKeys->setChecked( accessKeysEnabled() );" this line is in kcontrol/konqhtml/htmlopts.cpp, "bool accessKeysEnabled() const" is declared in khtml_settings.h |
| 07:21.17 | Jucato | ack so sorry, it's past midnight there... :( |
| 07:21.45 | aseigo | Jucato: you'll need to do sth like: |
| 07:22.32 | aseigo | KHTMLSettings* settings = new KHTMLSettings(); |
| 07:22.50 | aseigo | m_pAccessKeys->setChecked( settings->accessKeysEnabled() ); |
| 07:23.17 | Jucato | ok will try :) |
| 07:23.43 | aseigo | delete settings; |
| 07:24.10 | Jucato | delete settings should immediately follow the m_pAccessKeys line? |
| 07:24.23 | aseigo | whenever you are done with it... or you could just do: |
| 07:24.29 | aseigo | KHTMLSettings settings; |
| 07:24.43 | aseigo | m_pAccessKeys->setChecked( settings.accessKeysEnabled() ); |
| 07:24.53 | Jucato | ah |
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| 07:28.34 | Jucato | heh forgot to define khtml_settings :P |
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| 07:34.46 | Jucato | aseigo: thank you! it works! |
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| 07:34.56 | kshinji|school | hello, i used the context menu that i get from r click, to delete files |
| 07:35.11 | kshinji|school | Now, where are threy? My disk is still full, but i don;t see them anywhere :-/ |
| 07:35.29 | Jucato | kshinji|school: in Trash? (trash:/) |
| 07:35.38 | kshinji|school | thanks |
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| 08:31.38 | hagabaka | Kate's "clean indentation" doesn't play well with python code |
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| 08:34.16 | rmeggs | hello all |
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| 08:35.24 | Arzie | Hi rmeggs. |
| 08:35.32 | rmeggs | hey Arzie |
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| 09:02.25 | MikeSmith | Konsole question: Is there a way that I can cause underlined text in Konsole to be displayed in a different color? |
| 09:02.40 | MikeSmith | (in addition to or instead of having it displayed with an underline) |
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| 09:07.41 | phatlip | hey guys, how can i configure Qt with session support? i got an error compiling kdelibs asking me to do just that, however - ./configure -help |grep session (and just looking) doesn't show any build options. |
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| 09:07.51 | phatlip | the error i got was this. kapplication.cpp:283:2: error: #error QT_NO_SESSIONMANAGER was set, |
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| 09:15.07 | phatlip | nevermind - found it. |
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| 09:17.31 | phatlip | guys, the docs for compiling kde4 don't mention needing -sm when compiling Qt - which is required when compiling kdelibs. Should i edit the wiki or is there another reason i got that error and infact its not an error at all? |
| 09:18.59 | Jucato | phatlip: I didn't need -sm... |
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| 09:23.27 | phatlip | Jucato: see my error? |
| 09:23.36 | phatlip | but i am compiling on gnome |
| 09:23.39 | Jucato | :P |
| 09:23.44 | phatlip | perhaps they are assuming an install from kde? |
| 09:23.51 | Jucato | yes I saw it... didn't have that error |
| 09:23.57 | Jucato | perhaps... |
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| 09:24.40 | phatlip | i've already had to add in so many libs that they never mentioned... |
| 09:25.09 | phatlip | don't worry i haven't been doing thisd for 24hours - i went to work today. |
| 09:25.53 | Jucato | it also assumes that you have most of the headers and development files already.. (kde-devel in Kubuntu) |
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| 09:27.50 | icwiener | Doesn't it complain about the missing files? |
| 09:28.41 | icwiener | Hi btw. :) |
| 09:28.46 | phatlip | sure does, simple to fix. |
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| 09:30.03 | pinchartl | hi |
| 09:30.17 | phatlip | Jucato: i should apt-get kde-devel? |
| 09:30.45 | pinotree | phatlip: apt-get build-dep kdelibs-dev |
| 09:30.59 | Jucato | :) |
| 09:31.04 | pinotree | this will pull all the dependacies for kde3, and their devels |
| 09:31.18 | Jucato | pinotree: they're also used for building KDE 4 right? |
| 09:31.24 | pinotree | most of them yes |
| 09:32.21 | pinotree | gif, jpeg, libsm, ... |
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| 09:36.16 | Jucato | ugh... why are my PNG screenshots soo big... |
| 09:36.50 | Jucato | icwiener: yay new patch!!! :) |
| 09:37.44 | icwiener | Jucato: What did you do? |
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| 09:37.56 | Jucato | icwiener: http://jucato.org/stuff/kcontrol_accesskeys.png |
| 09:38.09 | icwiener | Jucato: Could yo solve the screensaver problem next? :D |
| 09:38.18 | Jucato | :P |
| 09:38.26 | Jucato | I'm no coder yet :P |
| 09:38.43 | icwiener | I know. Was just kidding. :) |
| 09:38.46 | Jucato | I did those 2 patches without really knowing in-depth how/why they work :) |
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| 09:39.48 | icwiener | Well, better than me. I have a basic understandment of how it should work (no basic knowledge of qt though) but I cannot get my stuff working. ;) |
| 09:40.08 | Jucato | (understanding) |
| 09:40.18 | icwiener | yeah, right. ;) |
| 09:40.36 | Jucato | :) |
| 09:41.24 | aseigo | Jucato: what is your mother tongue? |
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| 09:41.30 | Jucato | my patches are sooooo inconsequential |
| 09:41.38 | Jucato | aseigo: not English :) |
| 09:41.39 | aseigo | no patches are inconsequential |
| 09:41.42 | aseigo | the world is built on patches |
| 09:41.46 | icwiener | Jucato: Your prefs window doesn't fit on the screen. :( |
| 09:41.49 | aseigo | Jucato: sure, but which lagnague is? =) |
| 09:41.54 | Jucato | Filipino |
| 09:42.03 | aseigo | tagalog or illicano? (sp) |
| 09:42.10 | Jucato | Tagalog |
| 09:42.32 | aseigo | hm. |
| 09:42.34 | Jucato | actually, Filipino is now the national language... Tagalog is just a dialect... at least for now.. |
| 09:42.50 | aseigo | Jucato: really? interesting. |
| 09:42.52 | Jucato | it's a very confusing situation... |
| 09:42.57 | aseigo | no doubt |
| 09:43.02 | pinotree | aseigo: try #kde-devel-es... |
| 09:43.09 | insanekane | hi, i have a question regarding konqui ... some sites popup the Authentication dialog for username/password. I can enter the username/password and it works. From then onwards, konqui automatically logs me in at those sites. How can I clear this data from Konqueror ? Clearing all cookies doesnt do it. In firefox there is a seperate option for 'Authentication Sessions' which when cleared removes this data. |
| 09:43.10 | Jucato | ah sorry... despite my name, I don't speak Spanish at all :) |
| 09:43.31 | aseigo | insanekane: kwalletmanager |
| 09:43.34 | Jucato | icwiener: I know... I just added to the already cluttered settings window... |
| 09:43.49 | Jucato | icwiener: but I can't find any better place for that control... |
| 09:43.50 | aseigo | pinotree: you're italian, right? |
| 09:43.58 | insanekane | aseigo: so, even if i have not enabled kwallet subsystem, it is used ? |
| 09:43.58 | aseigo | yay! |
| 09:44.40 | aseigo | insanekane: hum.. no, in that case it shouldn't save at all .. it would be cookies then .. but if that isn't working, ... |
| 09:44.58 | pinotree | Jucato: there's the kpdf maintainer |
| 09:45.21 | Jucato | oh :) |
| 09:45.33 | insanekane | aseigo: clearing cookies doesnt work in konqui or FF ... in FF, there is an option for "Authentication Sessions" and clearing it, clears the data (and shows me the login dialog the next time i access the site) |
| 09:45.55 | aseigo | Jucato: i should be. but i can't. |
| 09:46.06 | Jucato | ouch... that's not good... |
| 09:46.57 | Jucato | good thing no usability experts here... they might strangle me for adding that control on that settings page... |
| 09:48.04 | icwiener | So... |
| 09:48.08 | icwiener | GET HIM! |
| 09:48.10 | icwiener | ;) |
| 09:48.20 | Jucato | lol |
| 09:48.22 | Jucato | :P |
| 09:48.56 | Jucato | but seriously... I've been trying to think of a better place for that setting... but Web Behavior seems to be the only available one right now... |
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| 09:49.41 | insanekane | aseigo: is there a dedicated channel for konqueror issues ? |
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| 09:50.16 | icwiener | Jucato: Yes, must be difficult to decide. |
| 09:51.05 | Jucato | icwiener: hm.. is that a sarcastic remark or what? hard to tell :P |
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| 09:52.09 | icwiener | No, I mean it. |
| 09:52.17 | Jucato | ah :) |
| 09:52.57 | Jucato | hm.... I could put it under the Accessibility options... but... |
| 09:53.29 | icwiener | Yes, a better place I guess. |
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| 09:54.20 | Jucato | the problem is... not may people actually know that it's an Accessibility feature... they immediately think that it's something in Konqueror (which is partly true... it's a KHTML accessibility feature) |
| 09:54.35 | Jucato | ah there's also one problem... my patch only affects Konqueror :) |
| 09:55.02 | Jucato | anything else that uses KHTML (Akregator, Amarok, KTorrent, etc) will still get the Access Keys :P |
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| 09:56.37 | aseigo | Jucato: honestly, it should be turned off for everything not a web browser |
| 09:56.48 | aseigo | Jucato: personally i think the default is wrong |
| 09:56.50 | icwiener | It's a khtml feature but konqueror adjusts it seperately? |
| 09:57.20 | Jucato | icwiener: yep.you can turn it on/off globally or only in Konqi |
| 09:57.30 | Jucato | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#_Disable_the_accessibility_squares_CTRL_button_normally_activates_in_Konqueror_aka_Access_Keys_ |
| 09:58.13 | Jucato | aseigo: yeah... although they (whoever thought of turning it on for everything KHTML) would argue that with KHTML, you are running a mini web browser.. |
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| 09:59.17 | aseigo | Jucato: well, they are wrong. =) |
| 09:59.53 | Jucato | heh yeah... almost everybody hates Access Keys... and almost everybody don't know how to turn them off :P |
| 10:00.23 | icwiener | Well, they are really important for some people though. |
| 10:01.11 | Jucato | yeah... but they're accessibility features... I don't think the majority of users needs them... just imho |
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| 10:02.20 | Jucato | now if I could figure out how to create the khtmlrc file if it doesn't exist, maybe I can make it turn Access Keys on/off globally... |
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| 10:04.02 | aseigo | offering a feature isn't the same as turning it on by default, and that's where khtml gets it so wrong' |
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| 10:04.36 | icwiener | And System sounds as well. |
| 10:04.37 | icwiener | ;) |
| 10:04.41 | benJIman | aseigo: having it on by default isn't necessarily a bad thing, the only problem here is that the shortcut to trigger it is too easily pressed accidentally |
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| 10:04.58 | aseigo | benJIman: that's sort of the point of the feature though |
| 10:05.01 | Jucato | yep... considering there are so many Ctrl+<key> shortcuts in Konqueror... |
| 10:05.23 | benJIman | aseigo: it annoys me for instance when filling in an email on a web form I'll go to press control-c, finger will slip off the control key and I'll submit the email instead |
| 10:05.33 | benJIman | aseigo: two key shortcut would be fine |
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| 10:26.06 | HamishTPB | Hi - is there a KDE PIM channel? |
| 10:26.58 | Jucato | try #kontact |
| 10:28.32 | HamishTPB | Jucato: ah - thanks! Brain still asleep I think :) |
| 10:29.14 | Jucato | I'm not really sure, but since there's no #kde-pim or #kdepim.. but there's a #kontact channel, I presume that's the place to go |
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| 10:30.30 | HamishTPB | Jucato: yes - I tried finding everything except that :p |
| 10:30.35 | HamishTPB | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:37.56 | mikearthur | are the dcop interfaces for kde applications documented anywhere? |
| 10:38.05 | mikearthur | other than manually searching the code |
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| 10:38.48 | MinceR | googling works sometimes |
| 10:39.13 | Jucato | mikearthur: you can run kdcop and search for the commands |
| 10:39.20 | mikearthur | MinceR: I tried that first |
| 10:39.47 | mikearthur | Jucato: can't find what I'm wanting |
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| 10:40.10 | mikearthur | I don't suppose anyone knows if you can use the export functions from kaddressbook by dcop or other commandline method? |
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| 11:18.25 | SAngeli | Hi, I have both this pc and a iMac pc on the same lan and wish to migrate some files from my ubuntu to my new iMac. How can I set my ubuntu up to do so? |
| 11:18.57 | annma | isn't that a ubuntu question more than a kde one? |
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| 11:19.13 | Jucato | yep :) |
| 11:19.19 | SAngeli | could be |
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| 11:19.38 | SAngeli | I thought that kde had something to share file and folders |
| 11:19.40 | annma | ask in #ubuntu please |
| 11:19.57 | annma | I don't have a Mac unfortunately |
| 11:19.57 | Jucato | actually, he typoed.. it should have been Kubuntu |
| 11:20.08 | annma | I hope it's KUbuntu |
| 11:20.22 | Jucato | yeah it is.... he's in #kubuntu |
| 11:20.23 | annma | Ubuntu is gnome based which makes it more irrelevant |
| 11:20.31 | Jucato | :) |
| 11:20.42 | Jucato | :P |
| 11:20.52 | annma | I was quite disapointed in gnome to be frank |
| 11:21.00 | annma | I got a Live CD of edubuntu |
| 11:21.13 | insanekane | annma: hahahaha :)) |
| 11:21.15 | annma | but I could not find stuff in Gnome |
| 11:21.38 | annma | i trieds to look at it with virgin eyes |
| 11:21.39 | Jucato | oh yeah... edubuntu.. heard they actually planned on throwing out kde-edu little by little... |
| 11:21.47 | annma | not at all Jucato |
| 11:22.14 | Jucato | well, it was a rumor (or an aborted plan) |
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| 11:22.25 | canllaith | Aw, he quit. That reminds me I should put my KDE samba article online since it wont get to be in TUX magazine. |
| 11:22.44 | Jucato | I think it started with the Kalzium port... or was it some other kde-edu app... |
| 11:23.13 | annma | Jucato: no no |
| 11:23.20 | pinotree | Jucato: well, the galluum author came in #kde-edu telling us that was only a simply 2-days work, nothing really serious |
| 11:23.31 | annma | it was a misunderstanding |
| 11:23.34 | pinotree | gallium* |
| 11:23.35 | Jucato | :) |
| 11:23.46 | Jucato | like I said, it was a rumor :) |
| 11:24.30 | canllaith | Hrm. I was about to ask to spell something but do we even have native english speakers in here right now except me?:P |
| 11:24.31 | Jucato | imho KDE beats GNOME in terms of edutainment apps... so it's kinda reinventing the wheel if they do that... |
| 11:24.38 | canllaith | I guess Jucato is |
| 11:25.07 | Jucato | I'm not a native English speaker, but I can try :P |
| 11:25.50 | canllaith | Oh, from where? |
| 11:25.56 | HamishTPB | canllaith: I am a native English speaker - what do want to spell? |
| 11:25.58 | mariux | agree Jucato |
| 11:26.04 | canllaith | proprieties, but I think that's right |
| 11:26.11 | Jucato | canllaith: Philippines |
| 11:26.23 | Jucato | uhuh... looks correct |
| 11:26.24 | HamishTPB | canllaith: it depends what you mean - that could be right |
| 11:26.31 | olegfink | eh I see lots of people find Gnome better. What they have found in it? |
| 11:26.35 | HamishTPB | canllaith: but what meaning are you looking for? |
| 11:26.37 | canllaith | Jucato: ah, ok. Darn, no chance to flaunt my poor asian language skills then. |
| 11:26.40 | canllaith | HamishTPB: that which is proper |
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| 11:26.58 | canllaith | as in 'I'd like to do $something, but I am unsure of hte proprieties' |
| 11:27.00 | Jucato | canllaith: lol... I don't speak Chinese or Japanese or any of those other well known Asian languages :) |
| 11:27.09 | canllaith | I know a little Malay, but it's pretty poor. |
| 11:27.28 | Jucato | oh... hm.... proprieties as the plural of propriety? |
| 11:27.36 | pcooper | canllaith: i'm a native english speaker. |
| 11:27.38 | canllaith | I can order food or ask someone what they do for a living and after that I'm a bit stuck. |
| 11:27.47 | Jucato | heh :) |
| 11:27.47 | canllaith | Anyway, I found a dictionary. Thanks :) |
| 11:27.49 | HamishTPB | canllaith: "proper way" would make more sense |
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| 11:27.57 | canllaith | HamishTPB: but not be very formal grammar. |
| 11:28.07 | canllaith | To put this in context, I'm a professional writer. I'm just really terrible at spelling. |
| 11:28.14 | HamishTPB | canllaith: lol |
| 11:28.15 | Jucato | yeah... "proprieties" can be easily misunderstood or misread |
| 11:28.20 | canllaith | I'm writing to my editor |
| 11:28.30 | HamishTPB | canllaith: I think "proper way" is fine grammatically |
| 11:28.56 | canllaith | It would depend what I'm saying, but in this context no, it would be incorrect. I'm not asking how one does it but whether one should at all. |
| 11:29.00 | HamishTPB | "proprietries" is a bit odd |
| 11:29.08 | Jucato | -r :) |
| 11:29.21 | canllaith | Ooooooh |
| 11:29.32 | canllaith | I wonder if I could incorporate my old articles into KDE documentation or if that's not allowed. Hrm. |
| 11:29.38 | HamishTPB | "proprietries" is correct I think but not a word I think i have ever used :) |
| 11:30.07 | Jucato | HamishTPB: it's proprieties, not proprietries... |
| 11:30.21 | phatlip | Jucato: the compiling is going much more smoothly now that i installed the -dev packages. |
| 11:30.28 | Jucato | phatlip: :) |
| 11:30.35 | HamishTPB | Jucato: I am suggesting that "proprietries" is correct though |
| 11:30.39 | HamishTPB | with the r |
| 11:30.42 | phatlip | so, thanks for your help. |
| 11:30.44 | Jucato | hm... |
| 11:30.53 | canllaith | HamishTPB: Not according to my dictionary I'm afraid. It seems to think the word doesn't exist. |
| 11:31.08 | annma | canllaith: of course you can |
| 11:31.11 | HamishTPB | a thesaurus would be more use here I think |
| 11:31.14 | Jucato | phatlip: you're welcome. remember that you're building an unstable build (on a different DE)... so it might take a few tries |
| 11:31.18 | canllaith | annma: I need to ask permission of those who paid me to write them. |
| 11:31.25 | annma | ah yes |
| 11:31.31 | phatlip | i got this nice whitepaper from trolltech.com on the Qt framework, can't wait to start developing with it now. seems so much more elegent thatn .NET, yet so similar. |
| 11:31.37 | canllaith | but I think it would be ok since the magazine now does not exist |
| 11:31.38 | annma | from KD Epoint of view the more content the better |
| 11:31.41 | canllaith | Yes =) |
| 11:31.53 | canllaith | I wrote an article explaining how the KDE samba control module works |
| 11:31.53 | Jucato | HamishTPB: "proprietries" would be the plural of proprietry... which doesn't exist, afaik |
| 11:31.56 | canllaith | which is undocumented! |
| 11:31.57 | phatlip | Jucato: i'm aware of that, i have this gnome install as a back-up and i'll probably dev off my mac, or off here. |
| 11:32.13 | canllaith | So it would be good to adapt it to a KCM documentation |
| 11:32.26 | annma | YES |
| 11:32.33 | Jucato | :) |
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| 11:32.45 | phatlip | canllaith: christ, just use 'appropriateness' and be done. |
| 11:32.46 | Jucato | anything with doc* excites annma :) |
| 11:32.51 | annma | lol |
| 11:32.59 | HamishTPB | canllaith: OK - looked up your word and it is accurate after all :) |
| 11:33.08 | Jucato | anyway... dinner :) brb |
| 11:33.12 | annma | I am now translating what I wrote and I wish I wrote less |
| 11:33.13 | HamishTPB | canllaith: it just isn't the way I would say it or write it |
| 11:33.20 | canllaith | HamishTPB: I was pretty sure, my grammar is good I just don't spell all that well ;) |
| 11:33.21 | Jucato | ooh that's the word I was looking for! :) |
| 11:33.39 | Jucato | annma: heh glad I don't do translations :) |
| 11:33.39 | HamishTPB | canllaith: but it jars to a native english reader's eye |
| 11:33.45 | Jucato | going away :) |
| 11:33.51 | canllaith | HamishTPB: Um, I am a native english speaker |
| 11:33.51 | canllaith | and a writer |
| 11:33.57 | HamishTPB | canllaith: ah sorry |
| 11:33.57 | canllaith | I just don't spell all that well :) |
| 11:33.57 | HamishTPB | lol |
| 11:34.05 | Jucato | canllaith: honestly, proprieties actually looks more awkward :) |
| 11:34.13 | canllaith | Jucato: you'd have to read the email. |
| 11:34.15 | canllaith | Here |
| 11:34.17 | Jucato | ah |
| 11:34.18 | Jucato | context |
| 11:34.19 | phatlip | and is hard to say out loud = ugly word. |
| 11:34.22 | HamishTPB | canllaith: I still think "proper way" is a clearer read |
| 11:34.25 | Jucato | oh nvm... gtg :P |
| 11:34.28 | HamishTPB | lol |
| 11:34.36 | Jucato | gtg bbl ttyl :D |
| 11:34.38 | HamishTPB | canllaith: English is a terrible language :) |
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| 11:34.57 | canllaith | annma: I'd hate to translate my own writing! I worked out recently that I wrote more words per month than a friend of mine doing a postgrad degree in anthropology. It was very depressing :( |
| 11:35.25 | annma | lol, yes |
| 11:35.34 | HamishTPB | canllaith: one thing I will say - perhaps your wording will be easier to translate though |
| 11:35.55 | canllaith | oh well, down to one magazine now and not two, and no other writing contracts. |
| 11:36.09 | annma | I also saw the faults in my writing when translating |
| 11:36.16 | annma | the bad phrasingf |
| 11:36.17 | HamishTPB | Jucato: and yes - I was adding the r out of stupidity - the word canllaith had to start with was the one I was thinking of :) |
| 11:36.46 | canllaith | annma: I don't speak another language well enough to translate anything, but I can imagine you could make life difficult for yourself that way. |
| 11:37.29 | HamishTPB | canllaith: perhaps "appropriate" would be a better word ? |
| 11:37.33 | canllaith | Ok, hopefully I will get a reply saying 'yes!' soon and I can turn that article into documentation for the samba module. |
| 11:37.36 | canllaith | HamishTPB: not in that context. |
| 11:37.58 | canllaith | 'I am aware of the guidelines for republishing material, but as this article will never be published I'm unsure of the proprieties' |
| 11:38.13 | canllaith | 'unsure of the appropriate' is gramatically incorrect. Anyway, thanks for the spelling help :) |
| 11:38.14 | HamishTPB | canllaith: sorry - I meant "appropriateness" |
| 11:38.46 | canllaith | annma: I may need help if so, can you believe in all these years I've never created a new manual from scratch? |
| 11:38.59 | annma | oh!!! |
| 11:38.59 | canllaith | The docbook I know, but the build system not, so if there is not a skeleton index.docbook there I don't know how to do it |
| 11:39.27 | annma | not sure about KDE4 system anyway, it's not yet ported to cmake |
| 11:39.28 | HamishTPB | canllaith: yes - well - all told - you had the correct spelling to start with :) |
| 11:39.42 | phatlip | if you change the order of you dirs listed in PATH, should that effect 'which' |
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| 11:39.45 | canllaith | annma: I would hope to get it into 3.5 since I strongly suspect that Kcontrol will eventually go away. |
| 11:39.51 | annma | canllaith: I guess you can write the docbook and I'll lok about how to get it built |
| 11:39.52 | canllaith | phatlip: Yes, it should take the first one it finds. |
| 11:40.03 | annma | for 3.5.7 then |
| 11:40.07 | canllaith | yeah :D |
| 11:40.09 | annma | that'll be easy |
| 11:40.11 | phatlip | hmm doing something wrong then. |
| 11:40.14 | phatlip | thanks, canllaith |
| 11:40.21 | canllaith | ah |
| 11:40.29 | canllaith | there is a skeleton index.docbook there |
| 11:40.32 | canllaith | so hopefully that is fine |
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| 11:41.45 | canllaith | annma: So how is your youngest going? How old now? =) |
| 11:41.45 | annma | yes |
| 11:41.51 | annma | 10 months! |
| 11:41.59 | canllaith | Wow so long already |
| 11:41.59 | annma | clapping her hands since yesterday |
| 11:42.08 | annma | she's so funny |
| 11:42.10 | canllaith | Any real words ? |
| 11:42.18 | annma | no, dada and tata |
| 11:42.32 | annma | but no 'papa' which is daddy in French |
| 11:42.40 | annma | no 'mama' either |
| 11:42.42 | annma | ;) |
| 11:43.08 | canllaith | :P |
| 11:43.12 | annma | i've the 2 oldest as well on holidays so we're all together |
| 11:43.22 | canllaith | Wow, must be a full house. |
| 11:43.28 | annma | yes, it's neat |
| 11:43.38 | annma | well, not the house |
| 11:43.40 | annma | but the mood |
| 11:43.47 | annma | ;) the house is a mess in fact |
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| 11:43.58 | annma | but who cares? |
| 11:44.09 | annma | ok, gotta go have lunch |
| 11:44.12 | canllaith | Eh, it's hollidays. |
| 11:44.13 | canllaith | Ok :) |
| 11:44.14 | annma | bb in a while |
| 11:44.19 | annma | :) |
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| 12:39.02 | phatlip | hey guys, i've just finished compiling qt4 and kde4 and modules from trunk, sucessfully. i became root and tried to start KDE (currently in gnome) with: X :1 & export DISPLAY=:1 |
| 12:39.42 | Jucato | :O |
| 12:40.08 | phatlip | but all i got was an X in the middle on the screen and nothing happening. so i moved back to tty7 (here) and saw this error: xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom |
| 12:40.36 | phatlip | oh, Jucato, yey. how did you start kde4 once you have compiled? |
| 12:40.54 | Jucato | definitely not as root |
| 12:41.04 | pinotree | phatlip: use Xephyr |
| 12:41.06 | phatlip | oh, well no other user had access. |
| 12:41.35 | Jucato | phatlip: didn't you create a separate user for KDE 4? |
| 12:41.41 | phatlip | pinotree: i'd like to run it as a standalone. |
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| 12:42.18 | Jucato | phatlip: yes, you can, without running as root |
| 12:43.06 | annma | phatlip: don't run as root |
| 12:43.15 | annma | phatlip: please do create a new user |
| 12:43.20 | Jucato | ooh annma! you're back :) |
| 12:43.40 | annma | phatlip: you should have follow some doc like http://developer.kde.org/build/trunk.html |
| 12:43.46 | annma | hi Jucato yes |
| 12:43.55 | Jucato | phatlip: I thought you followed the developernew.kde.org guide? it has specific instructions for building on a new user and running it |
| 12:44.09 | Jucato | annma: I think the one in dnew.k.o is more complete... |
| 12:44.15 | annma | no |
| 12:44.23 | annma | ;) |
| 12:44.34 | annma | this one is partly from me |
| 12:44.42 | phatlip | Jucato: sure i did create a new user |
| 12:44.52 | Jucato | annma: :P |
| 12:44.53 | annma | phatlip: so why su to root?? |
| 12:45.01 | phatlip | currently sitting on 'Starting up...' |
| 12:45.06 | annma | developernew is probably as good |
| 12:45.16 | annma | phatlip: what dbus version? |
| 12:45.48 | phatlip | annma: because i got a message 'user is not authorized to start X server' |
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| 12:46.06 | phatlip | then when i typed startkde i get 'unable to open display :1' |
| 12:46.16 | annma | phatlip: xhost +local:kdedev |
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| 12:46.23 | annma | as root |
| 12:46.29 | annma | replace kdedev if necessary with the kde4 user |
| 12:46.36 | annma | it's in the doc I pasted |
| 12:46.39 | phatlip | annma: .60 |
| 12:47.02 | annma | do what I said first |
| 12:47.04 | Jucato | hm.. doesn't this work: login as the kde 4 user, type startx -- :1 ?? |
| 12:47.04 | annma | then |
| 12:47.23 | annma | Jucato: not ofr me i have to give access to the new user |
| 12:47.33 | Jucato | hm.. let me try.. |
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| 12:48.04 | annma | phatlip: 0.60?* |
| 12:48.25 | annma | phatlip: if so that's too old |
| 12:48.46 | WorkRoey | hey all |
| 12:48.55 | annma | you need >=0;62 preferably 1.0.2 |
| 12:48.57 | Jucato | hm... |
| 12:49.02 | phatlip | Xlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server |
| 12:49.23 | annma | phatlip: what command did you issue? |
| 12:49.31 | phatlip | annma: yeah, i compiled another instance of dbus under /home/kde-devel |
| 12:49.39 | phatlip | version 1.0.2 |
| 12:49.43 | annma | phatlip: not sure what you are trying to do |
| 12:49.58 | annma | kde4 is not ready to be a desktop anyway |
| 12:50.07 | annma | try first running a kde4 app inside kde3 |
| 12:50.23 | annma | open konsole, run the xhost command I pasted |
| 12:50.29 | phatlip | well, dbus was already installed on this system - so i compiled another instance in the devel dir. |
| 12:50.48 | annma | as long as tha good one was taken by your build |
| 12:51.04 | annma | what is your kde4 user name? |
| 12:51.05 | phatlip | yeah i ran that. ohwait, bet the export DISPLAY=:1 is still in effect. brb. |
| 12:51.15 | phatlip | kde-devel |
| 12:51.39 | annma | and be warn kde4 is not for use |
| 12:51.47 | annma | it's for development |
| 12:52.45 | Jucato | this also works: Ctrl+Alt+F2, login to the kde4 user, type "X :1 & export DISPLAY=:1" then go back to tty2, type "startkde" |
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| 12:53.13 | phatlip | annma: precisely what i'm going to use it for. |
| 12:53.16 | Jucato | if you read the dnew guide all the way to the bottom, there's a link there about starting KDE 4 in various ways |
| 12:53.36 | phatlip | Jucato: i'll try that, thanks. |
| 12:53.43 | Kasyx | Is the composite manager part of kwin? |
| 12:53.44 | annma | even devels don't run it |
| 12:54.02 | phatlip | annma: not running it as my primary desktop. |
| 12:54.06 | annma | we mostly run our apps inside kde3 |
| 12:54.13 | Jucato | Kasyx: kompmgr? |
| 12:54.13 | annma | even for development |
| 12:54.49 | Kasyx | Jucato: if that's what it's called :-D I'm just trying to figure out if it runs with beryl, or if beryl has its own |
| 12:54.53 | annma | it's too much hassle to switch from the 2 |
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| 12:55.18 | annma | lol |
| 12:55.25 | annma | I guessed it |
| 12:55.25 | Jucato-K4 | speaking to you live from a standalone session :) |
| 12:55.41 | annma | but running the irc chat from kde3 |
| 12:55.44 | Jucato-K4 | which proves that it can be done, phatlip :) |
| 12:55.52 | Jucato-K4 | annma: lol yeah :) |
| 12:55.53 | annma | :) |
| 12:55.56 | annma | ;) |
| 12:56.02 | Jucato-K4 | any of the KDE IRC apps ported already? |
| 12:56.08 | annma | I did not check konvi4 lately |
| 12:56.17 | Jucato-K4 | there's no konvi4 ;) |
| 12:56.18 | annma | not sure if it ported in fact |
| 12:56.30 | annma | ksirc is ported as it is in kdenetwork |
| 12:56.42 | Jucato-K4 | ah so ksirc alone.. |
| 12:57.15 | Jucato-K4 | it's *a bit* usable... considering I can run *some* apps :) |
| 12:57.21 | Kasyx | Is there a kde irc package that doesn't have a menu bar? |
| 12:57.30 | Kasyx | (Apart from Kopete that is) |
| 12:57.33 | Jucato-K4 | Kasyx: Ctrl+M ? |
| 12:57.39 | annma | hmm ksirc not found |
| 12:57.43 | annma | so maybe not |
| 12:57.46 | Jucato-K4 | heh :) |
| 12:57.54 | Kasyx | Jucato - in what package though, I'm on gaim just now |
| 12:58.04 | Jucato-K4 | Kasyx: what do you mean? |
| 12:58.07 | annma | Ctrl-M toggles menubars in all kde apps |
| 12:58.16 | phatlip | Jucato: oh, i believe it can be done. |
| 12:58.24 | annma | ctrl-m makes your menubar go! |
| 12:58.27 | Jucato | Kasyx: what do you mean by "doesn't have a menu bar"? |
| 12:58.31 | Kasyx | Jucato-K4: oh, ok |
| 12:58.41 | annma | phatlip: what kde4 part are you hacking on? |
| 12:58.41 | phatlip | i had some more success from tty2 - but my attempt to start it as root before screwed me, system now says display 1 is already running. |
| 12:58.56 | Kasyx | Well I hate having anything other than a tiny entry box, a names list, and the window itself. Everything else is redundant |
| 12:58.59 | Jucato | phatlip: try to "unset DISPLAY" |
| 12:59.22 | Jucato | Kasyx: oh, you can hide the menu bar in any KDE app easily :) |
| 12:59.30 | Kasyx | Which is why I love kopete, but I'm having issues with it that no one seems to want to help with. So I have to find an alternative :-( |
| 12:59.42 | Kasyx | Jucato - yeah, didn't realise that wasn't just in kopete |
| 13:00.05 | Jucato | Kasyx: there's a big difference between "no one seems to want to help with" and "no one seems to be able to help with" |
| 13:00.25 | phatlip | Jucato: if you mean unset $DISPLAY yeah. |
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| 13:00.38 | phatlip | `unset $DISPLAY` even. |
| 13:00.42 | Kasyx | Jucato - everytime I ask I get ignored, at least you lovely people say 'sorry, I don't know.' |
| 13:00.48 | Jucato | phatlip: actually, unset DISPLAY is enough, afaik |
| 13:00.58 | Kasyx | That's why I stick around here, it's the nicest channel I've found on freenode |
| 13:00.59 | Jucato | Kasyx: it's because we really don't know :) |
| 13:01.09 | Kasyx | Jucato - I know! :-D |
| 13:01.24 | Kasyx | Jucato - but that's what I mean, every other time I just get ignored |
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| 13:01.37 | Jucato | phatlip: or logout from whatever user you used to "export DISPLAY=:1" |
| 13:01.44 | Kasyx | Happens all over the place. And I don't have the ability to find what the problem is, let along try and fix it |
| 13:02.08 | Kasyx | *alone |
| 13:02.10 | phatlip | Jucato: going to try a restart, i've confused myself. |
| 13:02.13 | phatlip | thanks, brb. |
| 13:02.17 | Jucato | Kasyx: well, being ignored could be due to 1) most of the people are not even here (lurking/parked) or 2) those who are here don't really know... |
| 13:02.20 | Jucato | ;) |
| 13:02.41 | annma | ah i did not build kdenetwork 4 |
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| 13:03.04 | Kasyx | Jucato - oh I know, I'm going to write an irc server that kicks off anyone from a channel that hasn't spoken in about half an hour. I mean it's a _chat_ service. |
| 13:03.11 | Kasyx | ;-) |
| 13:04.13 | Jucato | ... |
| 13:04.26 | Jucato | well, good luck inviting FOSS people over :P |
| 13:05.20 | Kasyx | Nah, it was a pipe dream. I've just been getting more annoyed, I mean I've started asking more general things like 'how can I get debug information to find out what is going on', not even just saying 'can someone help me fix it'. |
| 13:05.59 | Jucato | Kasyx: have you tried mailing lists? |
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| 13:06.21 | _root_ | hi! |
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| 13:06.39 | Kasyx | Jucato - not yet. I'm working down from fastest means to slowest means. So I've done irc and forums, mailing lists is todays thing. But I've never used a mailing list before |
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| 13:07.09 | Jucato | great oppurtunity to start :) |
| 13:07.25 | KRF | Kasyx, but you should do it the other way around, first forums, etc. then irc ;) |
| 13:07.43 | Jucato | IRC is fast... but not 100% reliable, like any other means :) |
| 13:07.49 | Kasyx | KRF - I've had little luck in the forums anyway. More luck on IRC |
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| 13:09.44 | olegfink | Jucato: IRC can't be reliable as long as I am here... |
| 13:10.24 | Jucato | lol |
| 13:11.13 | Kasyx | I'm just worried that the problem is caused my kompmgr |
| 13:11.17 | Kasyx | *by |
| 13:12.16 | Jucato | what is it? it's not very stable anyway |
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| 13:12.56 | Kasyx | Well, after a few hours X starts munching the processor. Slows the whole system down. Need to restart x for it to work. I've never had this trouble before. |
| 13:13.15 | Kasyx | The difference is this time I've got a good enough computer to put comp on |
| 13:13.33 | phatlip | Jucato: works just fine. |
| 13:13.45 | Jucato | ah yes... that's typical of kompmgr |
| 13:13.52 | Kasyx | it is? |
| 13:14.06 | Kasyx | Damn :-( |
| 13:14.20 | Jucato | what KDE version btw? |
| 13:14.24 | Kasyx | 3.5.5 |
| 13:14.33 | Jucato | hm... |
| 13:14.47 | Jucato | on my end, it's not so resource hungry anymore in 3.5.5 |
| 13:14.50 | Kasyx | So if I turn off kcompmgr next time it happens, and it sorts itself, then I know what it was? |
| 13:15.10 | Kasyx | Jucato - the thing is it's find for hours and hours, then suddenly it'll start doing it. |
| 13:15.33 | Jucato | yeah... that's typical :) |
| 13:15.35 | Jucato | at least on my end too |
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| 13:15.54 | Kasyx | At first I thought it was memory based, but my memory is full right now and it works just as nice |
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| 13:16.03 | Kasyx | (Hold on, why on earth is my memory full o.o) |
| 13:16.32 | Kasyx | Oh |
| 13:16.37 | Kasyx | Cause of kde heh |
| 13:16.53 | Jucato | it should always be full... |
| 13:17.00 | Kasyx | Why, my memory? |
| 13:17.04 | Kasyx | *What |
| 13:17.06 | Jucato | with Cached Data :) |
| 13:17.13 | Kasyx | Ah, true |
| 13:17.18 | Jucato | RAM? yes. |
| 13:17.30 | Kasyx | I'm used to going 'oh dear, my memory is full, need to restart' under windows |
| 13:17.37 | Jucato | heh |
| 13:17.46 | Jucato | "unused RAM is wasted $$$" |
| 13:17.47 | Kasyx | I forget I'm on a real person's OS now |
| 13:18.09 | Kasyx | Jucato - how true! Never thought of that before o.o |
| 13:18.38 | Kasyx | Jucato - thank you so much for saying it's typical though. Any ideas how to get round it? (Apart from disable comp heh) |
| 13:19.09 | Jucato | kompmgr? disable translucency then re-enable it... :P |
| 13:19.20 | Jucato | sort of like a "soft refresh" for X... |
| 13:19.25 | Kasyx | Oh! |
| 13:19.31 | Kasyx | I'll give that a go |
| 13:19.36 | Kasyx | Next time it happens heh |
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| 13:19.51 | Kasyx | Any idea what causes it? Just kompmgr getting a bit overenthusiastic? |
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| 13:20.14 | Jucato | although my X never goes above 250-300k (based on KSysGuard's numbers) |
| 13:20.16 | phatlip_kde4 | wow, KDE is running _so_ much smoother than gnome. and this is kde4 |
| 13:20.30 | Jucato | but it does become slower after some time |
| 13:20.32 | Kasyx | Jucato - 250/300kB? |
| 13:20.53 | phatlip_kde4 | on gnome...windows would leave traces behind them and lag just a little. |
| 13:20.54 | Kasyx | Of memory? |
| 13:20.54 | Jucato | phatlip_kde4: considering 1) it's Qt4 and 2) not many stuff there yet, I wouldn't be surprised |
| 13:21.03 | Jucato | Kasyx: no... just the VmSize numbers |
| 13:21.11 | Jucato | it's not translated as KB in memory afaik |
| 13:21.15 | Kasyx | Ah |
| 13:21.28 | Kasyx | I hadn't heard of ksysguard before |
| 13:21.55 | Kasyx | I'm guessing it's a system monitoring tool? |
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| 13:22.06 | JohnFlux | like taskmanager |
| 13:22.09 | Jucato | Kasyx: press Ctrl+Esc |
| 13:22.23 | JohnFlux | Jucato the numbers given to X mean nothing |
| 13:22.25 | Kasyx | Cool. I'll merge that then |
| 13:22.39 | Kasyx | What are the lm_sensors and zeroconfig use flags? |
| 13:22.44 | Jucato | :) |
| 13:22.51 | Jucato | system monitoring + task manager |
| 13:22.56 | phatlip_kde4 | what does it mean when in an about section of an app it says 'running in KDE 3.5.2' when i don't even have that version installed? |
| 13:23.04 | Jucato | ksysguard (for KDE 4) is even better! |
| 13:23.15 | JohnFlux | :P |
| 13:23.20 | JohnFlux | if it would just stop crashing! |
| 13:23.28 | Jucato | in KDE 3, the system monitor and process table are sometimes separate... |
| 13:23.41 | Kasyx | Is KDE at a useable stage yet? |
| 13:23.44 | Kasyx | *KDE4 |
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| 13:25.00 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: not yet ;-) |
| 13:25.06 | Kasyx | That's what I thought heh |
| 13:25.15 | Kasyx | I know it's due this year, but I don't mind beta software |
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| 13:25.23 | Kasyx | Hey thiago |
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| 13:25.50 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: it's not useable |
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| 13:28.25 | Jucato | how amusing... I got disconnected here... but not Jucato-K4.... |
| 13:28.38 | Jucato-K4 | going... going... gone! |
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| 13:31.11 | Kasyx | Hmm. Ctrl-M doesn't work in Ksirc |
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| 13:31.31 | annma | Kasyx: it does |
| 13:31.32 | jonkri | is there a way to add a line at the 80th column in the document view of kdevelop? thank you |
| 13:31.55 | annma | jonkri: ? |
| 13:32.17 | jonkri | annma, sorry, allow me to rephrase. i want to know where col 80 is in my source files |
| 13:32.29 | Kasyx | annma: ah so it does, just not on some windows |
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| 13:32.30 | jonkri | annma, and gedit had this line that was always drawn, so you knew |
| 13:32.34 | annma | there's a kate option for it |
| 13:32.39 | Jucato | omg? kdevelop and kmail have the same 80 column-limitation? |
| 13:32.45 | annma | and kdevelop editor is a kate part |
| 13:32.53 | annma | no |
| 13:33.00 | annma | it's configurable |
| 13:33.05 | jonkri | annma, in kdevelop or kate? |
| 13:33.07 | annma | look in Configure Editor jonkri |
| 13:33.14 | annma | kdevelop is kate part |
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| 13:33.17 | matahari | hi |
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| 13:33.28 | annma | jonkri: in kdevelop |
| 13:33.40 | annma | Settings -> Configure Editor |
| 13:33.57 | jonkri | ah, great, i found it :) |
| 13:33.57 | jonkri | thank you |
| 13:34.12 | matahari | is there any possibility to intgrae some userspace versioning filesystem (like copyfs) in kde, so theprevious versions of a file can easily be accessed by right-clicking thm nd select the version the user wants? |
| 13:34.23 | annma | excellent, i am in French and have trouble finding the exact names |
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| 13:34.52 | jonkri | another thing... when i press enter it's like kdevelop doesn't remember the indentation, the marker is still on col 0 even if i had indentation on the line above... anyone knows which option this is? |
| 13:35.01 | thiago | matahari: KDE has an RCS file-backup system if you want |
| 13:35.14 | thiago | matahari: do you know when you save a file and you get a filename~ as a backup? |
| 13:35.28 | matahari | thiago: any link to a project-related page? |
| 13:35.29 | thiago | matahari: you can configure KDE to save as filename,v so you keep all versions |
| 13:35.33 | matahari | thiago: i need a backup for 10 or more versions.... |
| 13:35.56 | thiago | matahari: it'll work for all versions as long as you don't remove the ,v |
| 13:36.12 | matahari | thiago: how can i access thisfunction? |
| 13:36.15 | Jucato | I remember a Linux.com article months ago about applying CVS to your /home... wonder if there's an equivalent for SVN :P |
| 13:36.28 | thiago | matahari: I don't know... you'll have to Google |
| 13:36.42 | thiago | matahari: I know for sure you must have /usr/bin/rcs installed |
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| 13:40.43 | thiago | matahari: sorry, I found the feature |
| 13:40.46 | thiago | it's in KDE 4 only |
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| 13:41.45 | matahari | thiago: too bad.... |
| 13:41.46 | monzie | Jucato: cant we put up our /home on SVN |
| 13:41.52 | monzie | Jucato: i think we can |
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| 14:02.45 | MrGrim | illogic-al: ya... personally I don't see how anyone can use irc w/o server tabs :) |
| 14:03.05 | MrGrim | </delayed_response> |
| 14:03.24 | Jucato | :O |
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| 14:10.30 | JohnFlux | http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8460/sensorload23yr8.png |
| 14:10.41 | JohnFlux | what do you guys think of this background for the graphs? |
| 14:11.23 | Jucato | looks nice... but I think I like the previous ones better :) |
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| 14:12.55 | JohnFlux | http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3906/sensorload22oo5.png |
| 14:12.57 | JohnFlux | this one? |
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| 14:15.04 | Jucato | yes. that one. it's less distracting. the eyes focus immediately on the sensors |
| 14:15.35 | Jucato | just mho :) |
| 14:16.16 | JohnFlux | Jucato: yeah I've grown fond of that one |
| 14:16.22 | Jucato | :) |
| 14:16.27 | JohnFlux | but other people seem to really dislike it |
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| 14:16.49 | JohnFlux | i think i might have to just get a few screenshots, then let people vote for it ;-) |
| 14:16.52 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Both are way too distracting |
| 14:17.04 | JohnFlux | yeah |
| 14:17.10 | JohnFlux | too much contrast maybe |
| 14:17.12 | Jucato | heh :) |
| 14:17.14 | WindowsUninstall | Hi JohnFlux |
| 14:17.23 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: yo |
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| 14:17.33 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: how's it going? |
| 14:17.54 | WindowsUninstall | JohnFlux, This morning I compiled kdebase |
| 14:19.06 | WindowsUninstall | I want take some time for kdiskmanager |
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| 14:20.59 | WindowsUninstall | JohnFlux, Have you seen kdiskmanager's screenshots? |
| 14:21.27 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: not recently |
| 14:21.47 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: I was thinking that kdiskmanager should be merged into ksysgaurd |
| 14:21.56 | MetaMorfoziS | hi all, i'm on kubuntu, and i'm asked my q in #kubuntu but i'm not received any usable answers. So, who knows, why the "open"link doesn't work in firefox's download manager? |
| 14:22.02 | WindowsUninstall | JohnFlux, Really? |
| 14:22.19 | WindowsUninstall | It could be an idea |
| 14:22.19 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: sure. I want to add in hard disk monitoring anyway |
| 14:22.33 | JohnFlux | check for health of the hard disks (SMART) and for raid |
| 14:22.44 | JohnFlux | so I'm going to have a tab for that stuff anyway |
| 14:22.59 | JohnFlux | kdiskmanager doesn't really have that many other options afaics |
| 14:23.03 | WindowsUninstall | JohnFlux, I've yet tried to implement smart status |
| 14:23.28 | Jucato | network monitor!! :) |
| 14:23.30 | WindowsUninstall | it's too difficult, you should parse smartctl output |
| 14:23.35 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: I was trying to get gregm to do it, but he became busy elsewhere |
| 14:23.44 | JohnFlux | Jucato: yeah that's needed to. go make one :P |
| 14:23.51 | Jucato | lol |
| 14:23.51 | JohnFlux | Jucato: draw a mockup or something and I'll implement it |
| 14:24.00 | Jucato | hm... mockup... |
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| 14:26.05 | WindowsUninstall | This is the last screenshot: http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/361/kdiskmanagerbt4.png |
| 14:26.26 | WindowsUninstall | today I want to add a disk free summary (like kdf) |
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| 14:28.49 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: it looks very pretty indeed |
| 14:28.53 | WindowsUninstall | also when HAL will be ready to format disks I want to implement kformat as a part |
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| 14:28.57 | steveire | is there an amarok script to correct all of the id3 tags on my songs? For example if I have "Under The Bridge" by "Red Hot Chili Peppers" on album "None/unknown", it would correct the album to "Bloos Sugar Sex Magik". It already gets album art, so I don't see why not. I don't see the tool though. |
| 14:29.00 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: see I think that's perfect to have in ksysguard |
| 14:29.28 | WindowsUninstall | and then i will use kformat part in kdiskmanager |
| 14:29.28 | Jucato | ksysguard... the ultimate system monitor :) |
| 14:29.28 | WindowsUninstall | JohnFlux, OK |
| 14:29.28 | Caster | steveire: asking in #amarok should be enough :) |
| 14:29.28 | WindowsUninstall | :) |
| 14:29.57 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: who's the author of it? |
| 14:30.06 | JohnFlux | steveire: #amarok |
| 14:30.23 | WindowsUninstall | JohnFlux, I'm the author |
| 14:30.33 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: oh haha |
| 14:30.38 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: so what do you think of the idea? ;) |
| 14:30.48 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: it would let us also look at remote systems hard disks |
| 14:30.51 | WindowsUninstall | also I hope to be the author of kformatr |
| 14:30.56 | JohnFlux | check the hard disk health status |
| 14:31.04 | JohnFlux | and check raid |
| 14:31.09 | WindowsUninstall | JohnFlux, It's a nice idea |
| 14:31.39 | WindowsUninstall | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.57 | JohnFlux | WindowsUninstall: why? |
| 14:32.35 | WindowsUninstall | Because it's impossible to pare its output |
| 14:32.55 | JohnFlux | ah |
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| 14:33.38 | WindowsUninstall | If you want try to do it ;) |
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| 15:42.11 | illogical | annma: hey can you change the topic? |
| 15:42.23 | annma | yes |
| 15:42.29 | pinotree | illogical: why? |
| 15:42.37 | illogical | annma: aseigo: there'll be a konqueror bug day this beginning this saturday |
| 15:42.44 | annma | pinotree: to add something |
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| 15:43.08 | illogical | " Konqueror bug triaging this weekend" is my suggested topic. |
| 15:43.15 | pinotree | wait |
| 15:43.17 | illogical | feel free to make it fancier |
| 15:43.21 | *** topic/#kde by pinotree -> KDE is 10 years old now | KDE 3.5.5 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! | 6 - 7 January: Konqueror Bug Triage @ #kde-bugs |
| 15:43.39 | bram85 | thanks :) |
| 15:43.52 | illogical | pinotree: gratz |
| 15:43.57 | pinotree | bram85: hey you have a keyboard to aks :-P |
| 15:44.06 | Jucato | this weekend? |
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| 15:44.10 | bram85 | Jucato: yes |
| 15:44.16 | Jucato | ooh nice |
| 15:44.26 | bram85 | ah.. we have a victim :) |
| 15:44.27 | Jucato | something productive to do :) |
| 15:44.34 | MetaMorfoziS | why the "Don't delete ~/.kde" is always in the topic? |
| 15:44.45 | pinotree | MetaMorfoziS: guess why? |
| 15:44.59 | Jucato | because it's important? (despite very few people actually reading channel topics) |
| 15:45.03 | magicbronson | all of a sudden kdesu doesn't like my root password, though su in a shell does... any ideas? |
| 15:45.26 | *** topic/#kde by pinotree -> KDE 3.5.5 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! | 6 - 7 January: Konqueror Bug Triage @ #kde-bugs |
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| 15:45.35 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm never thinked i need to delete that... |
| 15:45.37 | MetaMorfoziS | hm ok... |
| 15:46.33 | bram85 | any help for the Konqueror Bug Triage this weekend is highly appreciated... if you want to do give something back to the KDE community this is a great way to start |
| 15:47.34 | Jucato | bram85: any approximate date/time it would start? |
| 15:47.36 | icwiener | Starting with konqueror is a bit hard, isn't it? |
| 15:47.38 | annma | bram85: is there a wiki page on how to triage? |
| 15:47.44 | annma | icwiener: no |
| 15:47.55 | annma | icwiener: it's pretty easy as everyone has it |
| 15:48.10 | icwiener | Ah, for testing? |
| 15:48.14 | annma | yes |
| 15:48.15 | Jucato | triaging |
| 15:48.16 | annma | triaging |
| 15:48.17 | Jucato | :) |
| 15:48.25 | Jucato | oh yeah... a wiki would be nice |
| 15:48.29 | magicbronson | all of a sudden kdesu doesn't like my root password, though su in a shell does... any ideas? |
| 15:48.32 | Zebar | Which distro contain KDE as base DE? |
| 15:48.36 | Jucato | maybe we need a sort of bug triaging wiki in general... |
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| 15:48.39 | bram85 | Jucato: yes, there are wiki pages |
| 15:48.45 | annma | Zebar: Suse Mandriva KUbuntu |
| 15:48.48 | Jucato | Zebar: kubuntu, suse, knoppix, mepis |
| 15:48.53 | icwiener | Ah, now I got it. ;) |
| 15:48.55 | deathplanter | where is some user-friendly global key mapping control panel in kde? |
| 15:48.57 | bram85 | Jucato: developernew.wiki.org is the most accurate one I can give you right now |
| 15:49.08 | Jucato | mandriva, xandros, linspire/freespire |
| 15:49.10 | deathplanter | say, i wanna ctr+alt+g to run amarok. how do i do that easiest way? |
| 15:49.11 | MetaMorfoziS | kubuntu is a fork of ubuntu that based on gnome for the precise information:) |
| 15:49.12 | Jucato | sabayon |
| 15:49.21 | thiago | deathplanter: KDE Control Center, Regional & Accessibility, Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 15:49.23 | annma | bram85: are you in charge? |
| 15:49.29 | Jucato | MetaMorfoziS: it's not a fork |
| 15:49.44 | benJIman | MetaMorfoziS: it's not a fork, it's just a customized ubuntu install basically |
| 15:49.48 | bram85 | annma: no, this time illogical got the whole thing started... but i'll be there and i'm helping promoting it a bit |
| 15:49.52 | benJIman | It's not a distro in its own right |
| 15:49.54 | Zebar | I prefer fedora, but it usually based on gnome, and i have to install kde and kde programm manually every time ^( |
| 15:49.54 | MetaMorfoziS | in the beginning it was not official... |
| 15:50.05 | deathplanter | thiago: and how do i add a custom command shortcut? |
| 15:50.14 | Jucato | MetaMorfoziS: it is now. and it's not a fork. they don't fork anything |
| 15:50.15 | bram85 | Jucato: jump in whenever you like, it's during the whole weekend |
| 15:50.17 | pinotree | bram85: suggestion: if there are many, merge all in the developernew.k.o one, and remove the others (or empty and put links to the new) |
| 15:50.17 | MetaMorfoziS | near breezy or dapper became to official, but i think ubuntu team not like that:( |
| 15:50.24 | annma | illogical: the best is to use a wiki page to set some bugs numbers that are worked on |
| 15:50.24 | Jucato | bram85: okie dokie |
| 15:50.26 | benJIman | Zebar: (k)ubuntu is primarily gnome just like fedora |
| 15:50.26 | illogical | I see someone updated http://developernew.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/Bug_weekends before I could |
| 15:50.31 | illogical | thanks, whoever you are :-) |
| 15:50.43 | MetaMorfoziS | Jucato:ok... |
| 15:50.56 | Jucato | MetaMorfoziS: it is an official Ubuntu distro. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu |
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| 15:51.02 | thiago | deathplanter: ah, you want KDE Control Center, Regional & Accessibility, Input Actions |
| 15:51.20 | deathplanter | im feeling blind. |
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| 15:51.29 | bram85 | illogical: i modded the page yesterday |
| 15:51.33 | benJIman | Jucato: it's not a distro, it's a different set of packages, if you called every different set of packages a distro we'd have more distros than people |
| 15:51.46 | deathplanter | do i have to add a script to menu? |
| 15:51.58 | illogical | bram85: I'm about to change the link there to point to konqueror instead. |
| 15:52.01 | illogical | hope no one minds |
| 15:52.02 | thiago | deathplanter: no |
| 15:52.18 | thiago | deathplanter: Input Actions (khotkeys) allows you to configure arbitrary actions |
| 15:52.23 | bram85 | illogical: that's the only link to the Konqueror bug triage page |
| 15:52.34 | Jucato | benJIman: it's a derivative, then. but anyway they have the same set of base packages, and both GNOME and KDE packages are in the same repositories |
| 15:52.41 | bram85 | illogical: if you remove it, the page would be inaccessible |
| 15:52.51 | benJIman | It's not even a derivative, it's a different set of packages installed by default, that's all |
| 15:52.54 | Daskreech2 | Jucato: Probably wasn't |
| 15:52.58 | deathplanter | deathplanter@deathplanter-PCr:~$ khotkeys |
| 15:52.58 | deathplanter | ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed. |
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| 15:53.00 | bram85 | illogical: or you'll find a more appropiate place to put the link to |
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| 15:53.25 | benJIman | It's a remastered install medium basically |
| 15:53.35 | illogical | bram85: no, I mean I'm changing the link http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=kwin& etc. to http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=konqueror& |
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| 15:53.42 | deathplanter | thiago: thanks anyways. now i atleast know where to look |
| 15:53.44 | gourdin | hi there |
| 15:53.45 | Jucato | benJIman: it's more than that. Kubuntu has its own dev team, artwork, etc |
| 15:53.45 | bram85 | ah ok |
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| 15:54.29 | expose | Hi |
| 15:54.31 | expose | can konqi import firefox bookmarks? |
| 15:54.33 | expose | if so, how? |
| 15:54.34 | benJIman | Jucato: developing on the ubuntu distro, which is primarily gnome |
| 15:54.43 | Jucato | benJIman: no |
| 15:54.46 | bram85 | pinotree: i read it but didn't really got it... what to merge? |
| 15:54.46 | thiago | expose: I don't think so |
| 15:54.48 | deathplanter | thiago: and,one thing else: some app catches pressing play/pause key and makes amarok play the current track again. the funny part is that it is least likely to be amarok,anyone ever came across that? |
| 15:55.04 | thiago | deathplanter: kmilo |
| 15:55.09 | Jucato | benJIman: there's a set of devs for Kubuntu, a set of core devs for all *buntus, and another set for Ubuntu. although some overlap |
| 15:55.31 | pinotree | expose: bokmarks -> edity bookmarks -> file -> import -> mozilla bookmarks -- if works |
| 15:55.34 | deathplanter | thiago: what kmilo is? |
| 15:55.52 | thiago | deathplanter: a program that intercepts special keys like VolumeUp, Play, etc. |
| 15:55.59 | Jucato | benJIman: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#whatiskubuntu |
| 15:56.10 | benJIman | Jucato: same as every other single distribution |
| 15:56.18 | pinotree | bram85: you said there are many wiki pages about bug triage - i hope they're not in different wikis |
| 15:56.21 | benJIman | even the gnome focused distributions have their own dev teams for kde etc |
| 15:56.23 | deathplanter | thiago: funny thing,system says it's already installed but if i do kmenu->run and type "kmilo" it doesn't react. wth? |
| 15:56.30 | benJIman | kubuntu is clearly not a distro, they just like to call it one for some reason |
| 15:56.44 | Jucato | sigh... believe what you want. I'm not going to argue |
| 15:57.04 | bram85 | pinotree: oh no, that's not what i meant... but maybe there's something at wiki.kde.org but haven't checked that yet |
| 15:57.35 | pinotree | bram85: and in developer.k.o? |
| 15:57.45 | Sho_ | expose: File -> Import -> Import Mozilla Bookmarks in the Bookmark Editor |
| 15:58.01 | bram85 | pinotree: afaik there's no info there... lemme verify that later on |
| 15:58.37 | pinotree | sure |
| 15:58.53 | pinotree | ah-ah! i was faster than Sho_ this time :-P |
| 15:59.11 | Jucato | heh |
| 15:59.16 | bram85 | pinotree: i saw the channel topic in #kde-devel about the Wiki Friday at #kde-www... is it every friday or is it obsolete? i thought it was past Friday |
| 15:59.36 | pinotree | not sure if it's every friday |
| 15:59.43 | Jucato | developernew fridays |
| 15:59.57 | Jucato | it's just new, afaik |
| 16:00.15 | Sho_ | pinotree: oops, yes :) |
| 16:00.29 | Jucato | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2006/12/developer-wiki-fridays.html |
| 16:00.51 | pinotree | bram85: ^ |
| 16:00.57 | bram85 | yes, got that |
| 16:00.59 | bram85 | thanks |
| 16:01.07 | Jucato | :) |
| 16:01.13 | bram85 | must have missed that in the tons of blogs aseigo produces :) |
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| 16:01.41 | icwiener | höhö... http://dot.kde.org/1167918438/ :D |
| 16:01.47 | Jucato | http://developernew.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/Konqueror_bug_weekend and http://developernew.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/Guide ?? |
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| 16:02.10 | Jucato | AT LAST! :) |
| 16:02.11 | annma | if I can help on Sunday I'll come |
| 16:02.23 | annma | on Saturday I am at an edu show |
| 16:02.37 | bram85 | Jucato: these should be merged |
| 16:02.41 | Jucato | annma: oh good luck! :) |
| 16:02.51 | Jucato | bram85: there's a third one: http://developernew.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/Bug_weekends |
| 16:02.57 | annma | Jucato: it'll be only demonstrating |
| 16:03.08 | Jucato | still, good luck and take care :) |
| 16:03.25 | Jucato | lol @ Sho_'s picture :) |
| 16:03.40 | bram85 | Jucato: the third one is not really related to the others, i think... it defines the idea of a bug weekend |
| 16:04.05 | bram85 | Jucato: but you're right on the first two... the info on the Konqi page should be moved to the guid |
| 16:04.34 | Jucato | :) |
| 16:05.11 | illogical | bram85: i think the info on that konq page is pretty much in the guidfe. |
| 16:05.41 | bram85 | illogical: yes... but i added some tips on finding duplicate bugs only to the Konqi page |
| 16:05.43 | Sho_ | Jucato: Yeah, Dannya is angry at me now because I was too lazy to take one |
| 16:06.06 | Jucato | Sho_: heh. seen the first comment? :P |
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| 16:06.10 | illogical | bram85: I created it as a short intro to what we'd be doing. instead of having to read through the longish document @ and http://developernew.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/Guide. I'll kill the page after sunday :-) |
| 16:06.11 | bram85 | should be moved to the guide |
| 16:06.31 | illogical | bram85: ah. right. |
| 16:06.51 | illogical | bram85: was konq-bugs@kde the other mailing list? |
| 16:06.54 | icwiener | Sho_: So the half closed eyes meet you personality? ;) |
| 16:06.58 | bram85 | illogical: ok... the bug squad section at developernew.k.o really needs a bit of cleanup |
| 16:07.07 | Sho_ | icwiener: My sleep deprivation, anyway ;) |
| 16:07.23 | Jucato | lol |
| 16:07.24 | icwiener | hehe |
| 16:07.34 | bram85 | illogical: konq-bugs? no... that's an alias afaik |
| 16:07.38 | illogical | bram85: I'll try tonight. Can't right now. supposed to be reading a paper for class later today :-) |
| 16:07.57 | bram85 | illogical: kfm-devel is the developer's list for Konqueror related stuff |
| 16:07.59 | illogical | konqueror-devel maybe? |
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| 16:08.05 | illogical | ah. right. thanks |
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| 16:11.36 | Sup3rkiddo | hi everyone all the kde4 sites are giving a php error |
| 16:12.07 | Jucato | hm.... |
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| 16:12.42 | Sup3rkiddo | plasma.kde.org and so on |
| 16:13.44 | Jucato | Sup3rkiddo: might wanna head over to #kde-www to inform them |
| 16:13.51 | Sup3rkiddo | oh ok |
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| 16:27.04 | Balsamic_Chicken | hi does anyone know how to make all kde application display chinese correctly? |
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| 16:28.25 | expose | pinotree, Sho_: thank you |
| 16:28.27 | skreet | 2 |
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| 16:28.59 | skreet | Sorry, 2 questions. 1) How can I get KDE to not restore my session when I log in (i.e. not open the apps I shut down with.). 2) Anyone here using wlassistant and care to listen to a problem I'm having with it? |
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| 16:29.35 | pinotree | skreet: i can help only with 1) : kde control center -> kde components -> session handling |
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| 16:29.43 | Jucato | bah! he types fast |
| 16:29.55 | skreet | pinotree: Thank you! |
| 16:30.04 | pinotree | yw |
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| 16:30.21 | skreet | >.< So many options I must have gone by it once already |
| 16:30.44 | skreet | Alright that leaves 2) Anyone care to listen to a problem I'm having with wlassistant? |
| 16:31.49 | benJIman | skreet: The ask to ask protocol wastes bandwidth. |
| 16:32.00 | skreet | benJIman: Fair enough. |
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| 16:33.05 | skreet | When I launch wlassistant, I select my AP, it connects then says Connection Failed. Some investigation tells me that it successfully associated, but did not get an ip. Further investigation says it launched the dhcpcd -nd eth1 process successful. And my logs show that dhcpcd GOT the right address but never applied it to the interface. I end up killall dhcpcd and running dhclient eth1 and I'm online. Slightly annoying. |
| 16:34.04 | illogical | skreet: Thanos' fairy I presume? |
| 16:34.24 | skreet | illogical: You've lost me. >.< |
| 16:34.39 | illogical | never mind then :-0o |
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| 16:36.10 | skreet | And back along question #1. Where's the correct place to define applications I *do* want to start when I log in. |
| 16:36.39 | Jucato | ~autostart |
| 16:36.40 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273 |
| 16:36.45 | Jucato | skreet: ^^^^ |
| 16:36.54 | Kasyx | is knotify a global package? |
| 16:37.03 | skreet | Looking. |
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| 16:37.57 | skreet | Jucato: That bot has the wrong anchor: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560284 |
| 16:38.25 | Jucato | pinotree: ^^^ |
| 16:38.46 | Theory | In .desktop file exec lines, is there a parameter which means "local path to the *directory* specified" |
| 16:38.51 | Jucato | I guess it was changed only recently... |
| 16:39.07 | skreet | It was only like 4 questions up, not hard to find. |
| 16:39.11 | pinotree | Jucato: probably - but i never managed to command apt :-/ |
| 16:39.23 | skreet | Why does a #kde channel have a bot named apt? :) |
| 16:39.49 | icwiener | Because #kde is a temple. |
| 16:39.59 | Jucato | pinotree: I thought you could.... hm... |
| 16:40.14 | pinotree | Jucato: i can, but i do not remember ho to do that :-D |
| 16:40.15 | icwiener | Oh, nvm... ;) |
| 16:40.23 | Jucato | heh |
| 16:40.31 | skreet | It seems one-sided to have a bot in the name of a single package management untility in a channel that supports a product installed in many. |
| 16:40.51 | Jucato | he who codes the bot, decides :) |
| 16:40.59 | skreet | Autostart set up.. >.< Now about the dhcp issue. |
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| 16:45.35 | shining | hello |
| 16:45.41 | shining | does kde hava an onscreen keyboard? |
| 16:45.50 | shining | for writing in a totally different layout |
| 16:46.31 | thiago | viki |
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| 16:47.08 | Jucato | hi thiago. you have bot access? |
| 16:47.10 | shining | I also found this name on google, but couldn't find it |
| 16:47.14 | shining | where is viki? |
| 16:47.14 | thiago | Jucato: no |
| 16:47.20 | Jucato | ah... ok :) |
| 16:47.30 | thiago | kdereview |
| 16:47.39 | thiago | it's not a released app |
| 16:48.18 | Sho_ | shining: You can also used xvkbd - it's not a KDE app, but it gets the job done |
| 16:48.58 | shining | thiago: kdereview is a svn module, I need to build viki from there? |
| 16:49.05 | shining | Sho_: ok I'll maybe try that first |
| 16:50.44 | Jucato | Sho_: bot access? |
| 16:50.57 | Sho_ | Jucato: To which bot? |
| 16:51.01 | Jucato | apt |
| 16:51.23 | Sho_ | Jucato: No, unfortunately not, or I would switch off its annoying s// trigger |
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| 16:51.31 | Jucato | heh lol ok |
| 16:51.37 | Jucato | I thought all ops had apt access :) |
| 16:51.57 | Jucato | Sho_: any plans of submitting a real pic for people.kde.nl? |
| 16:51.58 | Jucato | :) |
| 16:52.00 | Sho_ | Jucato: No, the bot isn't here in any official capacity afaik |
| 16:52.20 | skreet | Can konqueror be compiled to support smb:// protocol? |
| 16:52.27 | Sho_ | Jucato: Probably not |
| 16:52.38 | Jucato | Sho_: hehe thought so :) |
| 16:53.05 | Jucato | anyway, time for bed.. |
| 16:53.18 | Jucato | btw, Sho_ made another Konqi patch... gonna send it to kfm-devel tomorrow probably |
| 16:53.25 | Jucato | http://jucato.org/stuff/kcontrol_accesskeys.png |
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| 16:55.02 | expose | What should the effect of "Show in toolbar" be when enabled in konqueror for a folder of bookmarks. I cant see any differences. |
| 16:56.07 | Sho_ | Jucato: You forgot a cruicial ':' in that line ;) |
| 16:56.21 | Jucato | oh? |
| 16:56.34 | Sho_ | Jucato: I didn't make that patch ;) |
| 16:56.47 | Jucato | aaah |
| 16:56.49 | Jucato | lol sorry... |
| 16:57.06 | Jucato | I thought you were talking about something in the QWhatsThis :) |
| 16:57.32 | Jucato | btw, Sho_, *I* made another Konqi patch... gonna send it to kfm-devel tomorrow probably :D |
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| 16:58.47 | Jucato | well, over and out :) |
| 16:58.55 | Sho_ | :) |
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| 17:07.24 | icwiener | (lin|mac-os|un|solar|ir|ultr|ai|hp)[iu]?[sx]. :D |
| 17:09.01 | shining | too bad, xvkbd doesn't have the layout I need, ukrainian (ua) |
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| 17:28.05 | homer | http://dot.kde.org/1167723426/ |
| 17:28.05 | homer | very nice article |
| 17:28.47 | homer | so the "Run" dialog will be part of the Plasma desktop ? :P |
| 17:28.52 | homer | cool |
| 17:29.18 | shining | I never know how to build something without instructions |
| 17:29.27 | shining | what do I do with a configure.in.in and a Makefile.am ? |
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| 17:31.12 | vojta | hello, try http://phonon.kde.org/ or http://plasma.kde.org/ or http://solid.kde.org/ |
| 17:31.21 | vojta | it shows me one error |
| 17:31.31 | vojta | can anybody fix it? |
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| 17:32.59 | pinotree | aseigo: ^^^ |
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| 17:43.53 | gdiebel | how come when one opens a file in konqi's embedded advanced text editor, it is readonly, aka is there a way to open a file in katepart and be editable? |
| 17:43.55 | expose | Is there anything planned like integrating a dns cache into konqueror or makeing it use pipelining or something like that (as an option at least) in the future? |
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| 17:51.23 | PhilRod | Sho_: cheat! that's not a photo! |
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| 17:52.31 | Sho_ | PhilRod: :) |
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| 17:53.11 | islamguidedotcom | hi! in .kde/autostart how do i explicitly state which application runs first? |
| 17:53.24 | pinotree | hey PhilRod |
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| 17:53.30 | pinotree | Sho_: that's not valid :-P |
| 17:53.30 | PhilRod | hiya pinotree:-) |
| 17:53.44 | PhilRod | to be fair, I semi-cheated too |
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| 17:54.17 | Sho_ | I was always too lazy to take one and then Dannya ran out of patience with me ;) |
| 17:54.28 | solsTiCe | hi. what's the name for the kde bottom bar (default setup ) ? |
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| 17:56.58 | PhilRod | Sho_: you don't have any photos of yourself? I refuse to believe that :-) |
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| 17:57.43 | Sho_ | PhilRod: Only photos when I'm five years old stuffed somewhere in a drawer I think :) |
| 17:58.43 | Kristian | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.47 | icwiener | :wq |
| 17:59.00 | icwiener | ?? |
| 17:59.12 | icwiener | My focus just switched... |
| 17:59.14 | Sho_ | Kristian: Define "maps" |
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| 17:59.35 | Kristian | wee.. harddrives.. you know :P |
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| 18:00.35 | lindenle_ | Hi I am running kde3.5 on debian with an accelerated intel card (i810) and } canot change my desktop background anymore...can someone help me? |
| 18:00.42 | Sho_ | Kristian: The Linux kernel has read support for NTFS partitions, and a capable read/write driver called ntfs3g exists as well. I suggest asking in #yourdistro how to use and/or install them. |
| 18:01.44 | Kristian | Ok, I'll try that :P |
| 18:01.47 | Kristian | Thx:) |
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| 18:08.27 | Kasyx | (That's awake that is :-D) |
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| 18:32.10 | Balsamic_Chicken | what's the equivalent of ekiga and camorama from gnome in kubuntu |
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| 18:38.41 | shining | I had troubles finding all the needed library for building viki, but I finally managed to do it, and it seems like it'll do the job |
| 18:38.45 | bram85 | Balsamic_Chicken: i think either kopete or kdetv for camorama |
| 18:38.48 | shining | I hope it'll be in mainline soon |
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| 18:43.17 | g-henna | hi |
| 18:43.41 | eliasp | hi g-henna |
| 18:43.49 | g-henna | does kdict work at anyone's site as described in the help? here, kdict looks completely different than in the help page and actually the features that exist don't work at all |
| 18:44.02 | g-henna | (for example, selecting database groups) |
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| 18:45.52 | Balsamic_Chicken | !kdetv |
| 18:46.00 | Balsamic_Chicken | thx bram85 for the info |
| 18:48.49 | McEnroe | i need something like alt+tab but for all workspaces |
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| 18:49.51 | eliasp | McEnroe: you can enable alt+tab for all workspaces... |
| 18:49.59 | McEnroe | eliasp: how |
| 18:50.08 | Balsamic_Chicken | !kdetv |
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| 18:52.25 | DaSkreech | McEnroe: try Alt+F5 |
| 18:52.45 | DaSkreech | Jucato: I asked the edubuntu guys |
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| 18:53.44 | McEnroe | DaSkreech: thx |
| 18:53.51 | DaSkreech | Jucato: You are auto joining aren't you? |
| 18:54.15 | eliasp | McEnroe: Control Center -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Focus -> Navigation -> Traverse windows on all desktops |
| 18:54.31 | McEnroe | how do i call trayed apps (like kmail) via keyboard? |
| 18:54.48 | DaSkreech | McEnroe: Alt+Tab? |
| 18:55.10 | Kasyx | Beryl is damned useful o.o |
| 18:55.15 | Kasyx | Don't think I like emerald though |
| 18:55.20 | DaSkreech | Can I get a readout on when the last CLI command was run? |
| 18:55.32 | eliasp | Kasyx: did you try aquamarine? |
| 18:55.41 | Kasyx | nooo, just about to |
| 18:55.48 | Kasyx | How do I change the settings? |
| 18:56.01 | Kasyx | Everyone talks about a diamon in the systray, but there isn't one there |
| 18:56.10 | eliasp | Kasyx: start "beryl-manager" |
| 18:56.11 | Sho_ | #beryl ;) |
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| 18:56.16 | eliasp | then there will be a diamond |
| 18:56.29 | eliasp | err.. a beryl ;-) |
| 18:57.11 | Kasyx | Sho_: they weren't any use last time I was there ;-) |
| 18:57.20 | ferret_0567 | I have KDE 3.5.5 on Fedora Core 6 and I am wondering where a quick resolution switcher in a panel is and where a battery monitor that can put the system into sleep mode, shutdown, turn off the display, turn on the display etc. according to certain events is |
| 18:57.31 | Kasyx | Doing beryl-manager brings up a pup-up menu (the same one as I assume clicking on the diamond brings up) |
| 18:57.42 | eliasp | ferret_0567: resolution: krandrtray |
| 18:57.43 | eliasp | powermanager: kpowersave |
| 18:58.14 | eliasp | Kasyx: ok... the bug caught you too ;-) ... then just start "beryl-settings" |
| 18:59.57 | Kasyx | Aww, I'm ill? :-( I hate getting bugs. |
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| 19:01.05 | ferret_0567 | Does the kdeaddons package have kpowersave? |
| 19:01.16 | eliasp | ferret_0567: now, it's not in KDE included |
| 19:01.21 | eliasp | s/now/no/ |
| 19:01.41 | ferret_0567 | Then how do I get it? |
| 19:01.48 | eliasp | by installing it |
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| 19:02.35 | Sho_ | ferret_0567: It would be the job of your distribution to supply you with a package |
| 19:02.41 | eliasp | http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2006/01/kpowersave-fedora-core-4.html |
| 19:02.48 | ferret_0567 | I know that it's just I can't find the package... |
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| 19:03.17 | ferret_0567 | [travis@localhost ~]$ su - |
| 19:03.17 | ferret_0567 | Password: |
| 19:03.17 | ferret_0567 | [root@localhost ~]# yum search kpower |
| 19:03.17 | ferret_0567 | Loading "installonlyn" plugin |
| 19:03.17 | ferret_0567 | Setting up repositories |
| 19:03.18 | ferret_0567 | Reading repository metadata in from local files |
| 19:03.22 | ferret_0567 | No Matches found |
| 19:03.24 | ferret_0567 | [root@localhost ~]# |
| 19:03.46 | Kasyx | pastebin or rafb please |
| 19:04.00 | ferret_0567 | I guess I had better open up a pastebin |
| 19:04.19 | Kasyx | *puts the spam in a sandwich and eats it( |
| 19:04.25 | ferret_0567 | How many lines of code do you people consider flooding? |
| 19:04.31 | pinotree | 43 |
| 19:04.32 | pinotree | err |
| 19:04.33 | pinotree | 4 |
| 19:04.37 | aseigo | ferret_0567: perhaps they are shipping powermanager instead these days? |
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| 19:04.45 | pinotree | up to 3 is allowed |
| 19:04.59 | eliasp | ferret_0567: there's a package for FC5 ... maybe it works on FC6 too http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=124576&package_id=162439&release_id=429175 |
| 19:05.20 | benJIman | rebuild the src rpm |
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| 19:06.57 | Pragmatic | Is there some way to change the way in which aRts is called? I want to wrap it through taskset so its CPU affinity will be different than the one of a process that seems to be hogging its CPU time. |
| 19:07.48 | eliasp | Pragmatic: what's the reason for still using aRts?? |
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| 19:08.23 | ferret_0567 | Where is this "powermanager"? |
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| 19:09.00 | ferret_0567 | aseigo, you said something about that |
| 19:09.05 | Pragmatic | ii amarok 1.4.4-2 versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE |
| 19:09.35 | eliasp | Pragmatic: ?? |
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| 19:10.12 | Pragmatic | Amarok still uses it --- and I figure others must as well. |
| 19:10.26 | eliasp | Pragmatic: yes, but just disable in in the controlcenter |
| 19:10.31 | Sho_ | ferret_0567: Powermanager is a Kubuntu development, a part of the Guidance project I believe |
| 19:10.34 | eliasp | aRts is just annoying crap ;-) |
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| 19:11.16 | Kasyx | My god, I love beryl |
| 19:11.48 | aseigo | ferret_0567: it might be in your yum repos |
| 19:11.48 | Pragmatic | If I do that, won't amarok weep? |
| 19:11.49 | Kasyx | What's cairo? |
| 19:11.54 | thiago | capital of Egypt |
| 19:11.56 | aseigo | Sho_: it's part of guidance yes, but powermanager is not a *buntu thing really |
| 19:11.59 | Kasyx | thiago: :-P |
| 19:12.06 | thiago | am I wrong? :-) |
| 19:12.13 | McEnroe | DaSkreech: nope. doesn't work on tray apps |
| 19:12.20 | eliasp | Kasyx: http://cairographics.org/ |
| 19:12.33 | DaSkreech | McEnroe: Oh wait Sys tray? |
| 19:12.39 | Sho_ | aseigo: It's not Kubuntu-specific, no, but Kubuntu's needs provided the impetus behind it iirc :) |
| 19:13.10 | aseigo | Sho_: the guidance part, perhaps. power manager afaik was a novell thing? |
| 19:13.17 | aseigo | not that it matters =) |
| 19:14.11 | Sho_ | In any case, it works well on my laptop ;) |
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| 19:17.09 | McEnroe | DaSkreech: yes |
| 19:17.34 | DaSkreech | I don't know of any |
| 19:17.49 | DaSkreech | You want to alt ab through the Sys tray? |
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| 19:30.26 | madd_matt | Is there some way to regenerate my kde menu without logging in and out? |
| 19:30.46 | robert_ | [amsg] xchat is being gay, brb |
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| 19:32.01 | thiago | madd_matt: kbuildsycoca |
| 19:32.03 | n3kl | Hi. Any idea when kde4 will be released? |
| 19:32.08 | Kasyx | Are there are full-screen-recording type thingies for kde? I want to show everyone how orgasm-worthy beryl is |
| 19:32.18 | Kasyx | n3kl: before 4.1 ;-) |
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| 19:32.25 | Kasyx | (That's the answer I got when I asked heh) |
| 19:32.35 | Kasyx | n3kl: last half of 2007, aparantly |
| 19:32.39 | PhilRod | n3kl: this year sometime, probably |
| 19:33.10 | madd_matt | thiago, thanks! |
| 19:34.01 | n3kl | Kasyx: what is beryl |
| 19:34.11 | eliasp | Kasyx: beryl-vidcap-plugin |
| 19:34.19 | Kasyx | n3kl: a window manager to replace kwin |
| 19:34.25 | Kasyx | eliasp: thanks! |
| 19:34.31 | eliasp | n3kl: www.youtube.com -> beryl |
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| 19:35.11 | n3kl | Kasyx: what is kwin? |
| 19:35.21 | thiago | the KDE window manager |
| 19:35.43 | Kasyx | eliasp: do I have to install it separately? |
| 19:35.44 | n3kl | beryl looks resource intensive |
| 19:36.26 | eliasp | Kasyx: don't know... on Gentoo, i just have to do "emerge beryl-vidcap" ;-) |
| 19:36.39 | Kasyx | eliasp: that's perfect, I'm on gentoo too |
| 19:36.52 | eliasp | Kasyx: using the xeffects overlay? |
| 19:37.09 | Kasyx | eliasp: No, I'm just reading the gentoo effects wiki - I didn't install like that at all o.o |
| 19:37.17 | Kasyx | I followed the normal gentoo wiki one |
| 19:37.25 | Kasyx | Which may explain the missing diamond bug |
| 19:38.07 | eliasp | vidcap is only available in xeffects-overlay... but you can use x11-misc/xvidcap for doing screen captures too |
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| 19:39.38 | Kasyx | Hmm. Also, reading the effects wiki, I should actually _have_ emerald, as I've got -gnome and kde as useflags, I should have aquamarine by default |
| 19:40.56 | Kasyx | Hmm, there are a few things missing I want from kwin :-( |
| 19:41.27 | PhilRod | Kasyx: what are they? (I don't think there are any kwin developers here, but perhaps we know some workarounds) |
| 19:41.42 | PhilRod | and of course, I guess you know about running other window managers in KDE |
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| 19:47.14 | korozion | I've lost my taskbar (it crashed) how can I get it back without restarting kde? |
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| 19:47.38 | PhilRod | run "kicker" |
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| 19:48.38 | korozion | sweet, thanks |
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| 19:49.05 | korozion | weird |
| 19:49.49 | korozion | it was (and still is) working on my left monitor, and running kicker from my right monitor worked. Until I use pager to switch to a different virtual desktop, then it goes away again |
| 19:50.01 | stoned | huh |
| 19:50.06 | stoned | I have a dual head setup |
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| 19:50.14 | stoned | I have no taskbars |
| 19:50.19 | stoned | I have no pagers |
| 19:50.26 | stoned | one panel for shortcuts and thats all |
| 19:50.29 | stoned | on one monitor |
| 19:50.34 | korozion | that's good to know |
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| 19:50.49 | stoned | I left click on my desktop to get a menu of running apps in ALL workspaces |
| 19:50.57 | stoned | and right click desktop for k menu |
| 19:51.07 | stoned | It is very very productive |
| 19:51.11 | stoned | try it out sometime |
| 19:51.18 | korozion | I like having both monitors independant, that way I can have one thing on the left, and anything on the right, or the other way around |
| 19:51.23 | korozion | I have tried the other way |
| 19:51.28 | korozion | I like this way a lot better |
| 19:51.29 | stoned | emmm |
| 19:51.31 | stoned | same here |
| 19:51.48 | korozion | especially since I have specific things on specific desktops |
| 19:51.56 | stoned | yeh me too |
| 19:52.09 | genpfault | whoa, that's odd |
| 19:52.15 | genpfault | any kwrite maintainers present? |
| 19:52.23 | stoned | genpfault, whats up |
| 19:52.52 | korozion | so I can have irc here on the left, and on the right I can have web browser, or a terminal which is running on a different virtual desktop and still have irc on the right |
| 19:52.57 | genpfault | stoned: on my version of kde (3.5.5) and kwrite (2.5.5) it doesn't seem to save the 'show line numbers' option if you do it through the view menu |
| 19:53.18 | genpfault | stoned: it sticks if you do it though the Settings menu though |
| 19:53.18 | stoned | it never has |
| 19:53.25 | stoned | afaicr |
| 19:53.30 | genpfault | oh |
| 19:53.38 | korozion | I think kate does |
| 19:53.56 | stoned | settings will of course get saved |
| 19:53.59 | stoned | view is temporary per document |
| 19:54.02 | genpfault | yeah, but for the life of me I couldn't get kate to open multiple instances |
| 19:54.10 | korozion | it wont |
| 19:54.14 | genpfault | oh |
| 19:54.21 | korozion | but you can open multiple documents within it |
| 19:54.28 | genpfault | ah |
| 19:54.29 | stoned | kate won't. however it has many files open at once if you chose |
| 19:54.33 | korozion | kate is freaking genius |
| 19:54.40 | stoned | and I am freaking stoend |
| 19:54.41 | stoned | :D |
| 19:54.50 | stoned | and I'm gonna smoke another bowl |
| 19:54.51 | stoned | :D |
| 19:54.54 | genpfault | I'm not much of an MDI guy, at least for editing random text files |
| 19:54.55 | korozion | so stoned, you speled it wrong |
| 19:55.00 | genpfault | heh |
| 19:55.08 | stoned | well cuz I'm stoned |
| 19:55.10 | stoned | and Renze sucks |
| 19:55.11 | stoned | :) |
| 19:55.28 | gdiebel | genpfault: kate opens in own instance by default. use kate -u to reuse open instance |
| 19:55.34 | genpfault | ahh |
| 19:55.36 | genpfault | thanks |
| 19:56.23 | stoned | if it weren't for oblivion |
| 19:56.26 | stoned | I wouldn't be using windows |
| 19:56.31 | stoned | I don't even have linux isntalled atm |
| 19:56.40 | stoned | I have to VNC into my laptop running debian sid and kde 3.5.5 |
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| 19:56.43 | stoned | slow as shit |
| 19:56.53 | genpfault | heh |
| 19:56.59 | Sho_ | stoned: The next major Cedega release is supposed to run Oblivion unmodified |
| 19:57.00 | genpfault | native X vnc server, or a screen scraper one? |
| 19:57.13 | stoned | just tight vnc |
| 19:57.19 | genpfault | ah |
| 19:57.19 | stoned | I tried to run xserver/xming |
| 19:57.25 | stoned | but .. it made it too slow |
| 19:57.29 | Authority | is there any documentation on how the Kmenu is built? I can neither add or delete from my Kmenu. It's become rather useless. |
| 19:57.35 | stoned | I only have a prescott 2.4c0 OC to 3.0ghz |
| 19:57.44 | stoned | with almost a 2 pounds heatsink |
| 19:57.46 | _spanner_ | Hi folks... I would like to upload a patch against a kde-apps.org project, is there a conventional way to do this? Or do I just email the author privately? |
| 19:57.49 | stoned | and a giant fan |
| 19:57.50 | stoned | :D |
| 19:57.54 | genpfault | heh |
| 19:58.06 | thiago | Authority: yes |
| 19:58.06 | stoned | not even ddr2 man |
| 19:58.10 | stoned | I got pc2100 |
| 19:58.11 | stoned | :( |
| 19:58.12 | thiago | Authority: Alt+F2, type: ggl:menu specification |
| 19:58.15 | stoned | 1gb though, at least thats good |
| 19:58.24 | gdiebel | stoned: check out nomachine.com and get the free edition of nx. way nicer than vnc |
| 19:58.26 | eliasp | _spanner_: if it isn't an official kde project, mail the author directly |
| 19:58.27 | korozion | thanks all |
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| 19:58.34 | genpfault | stoned: gigabit ethernet? |
| 19:58.34 | stoned | freenx is good |
| 19:58.39 | stoned | however, it is useless |
| 19:58.42 | stoned | for me anyway |
| 19:58.45 | _spanner_ | eliasp: OK, thanks. |
| 19:59.03 | gdiebel | stoned: in what way is it useless? |
| 19:59.03 | Sho_ | gdiebel: NX doesn't solve the same set of problems, though |
| 19:59.05 | stoned | genpfault, no way |
| 19:59.21 | stoned | gdiebel, I've tried it, didn't work for me |
| 19:59.23 | Authority | thiago: thanks, I guess i'll start digging here |
| 19:59.27 | stoned | I think ssh -C is enough for me |
| 19:59.27 | Sho_ | gdiebel: In that you cannot use it, at present, to export a locally running X session |
| 19:59.30 | stoned | :D |
| 19:59.36 | thiago | but since NX is better than VNC for what VNC does... |
| 19:59.49 | stoned | I don't really need all the caching I'm on a local network |
| 20:00.30 | thiago | stoned: you could use nxproxy |
| 20:00.31 | stoned | only my laptop and me |
| 20:00.31 | thiago | it would save you some bandwidth |
| 20:00.31 | stoned | thiago, I've looked into it |
| 20:00.31 | stoned | true |
| 20:00.32 | stoned | soon as I get a multicore cpu |
| 20:00.32 | Sho_ | NX isn't better than VNC for what VNC does -- VNC does things NX cannot do |
| 20:00.32 | stoned | I'll be fine |
| 20:00.32 | genpfault | need to find me a version of the realvnc server with glx built in |
| 20:00.35 | stoned | I can just run a constant Xserver while I p lay oblivion |
| 20:00.35 | stoned | :) |
| 20:00.36 | thiago | but, yeah, you shouldn't notice a difference in a LAN |
| 20:00.42 | thiago | Sho_: what does VNC do that NX can't do? |
| 20:01.00 | stoned | the only reason I'm NOT running xming or something atm in windows is cuz it makes it too slow to run oblivion |
| 20:01.00 | Sho_ | thiago: As I wrote above, at present, you cannot use NX to export a locally running X session |
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| 20:01.23 | thiago | Sho_: you can run your local X session inside NX instead |
| 20:01.27 | gdiebel | Sho_: of course that is the case currently, but it does support resuming sessions |
| 20:01.46 | Sho_ | thiago: Unless you locally run an NX client as well - the overhead of which is not acceptable for many |
| 20:01.48 | thiago | Sho_: last I tried exporting my X session via VNC, it didn't work either (CPU spiked to 100%) |
| 20:02.15 | Sho_ | Notably I use NX as well since it fits my use case perfectly (my NX session is running on my fileserver, which doesn't have a display connected to it anyway) |
| 20:02.19 | stoned | uptime |
| 20:02.21 | stoned | oop |
| 20:02.28 | stoned | 13:53:42 up 81 days, 2:39, 0 users, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.00 |
| 20:02.30 | stoned | :D |
| 20:02.36 | stoned | thas my laptop, broken screen |
| 20:02.40 | stoned | keys are all busted |
| 20:02.44 | stoned | monitor port is broken |
| 20:02.47 | benJIman | Is there no way to move processes between X sessions like you can move them between TTYs Sho_ ? |
| 20:02.49 | stoned | I had to install debian over ssh |
| 20:03.06 | thiago | benJIman: in theory, yes |
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| 20:03.11 | thiago | benJIman: in practice, no toolkit does that |
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| 20:03.25 | benJIman | thiago: why does it require toolkit support? |
| 20:03.45 | Sho_ | benJIman: There used to be a proxy app for that, but it's ancient, predating NX by a small eternity, and it hasn't kept up with modern X technology (extensions, ...) at all |
| 20:03.54 | thiago | benJIman: because the toolkit connects to the X server |
| 20:04.02 | Sho_ | I think it was called xscreen |
| 20:04.09 | thiago | benJIman: if you're switching X servers, the toolkit must be switching X connections |
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| 20:04.44 | stoned | benJIman, you're not from Baton Rouge, LA are you? |
| 20:04.44 | thiago | but, yeah, NX is the closest thing you're going to find to an "xscreen" |
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| 20:04.59 | benJIman | thiago: there might be a way to hax it, like you can with normal processes and using something like gdb |
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| 20:05.06 | stoned | benJIman, this guy I know from back home has the same nickname |
| 20:05.17 | benJIman | someone keeps stealing it |
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| 20:05.24 | stoned | ehe |
| 20:05.35 | Sho_ | ah no, not xscreen ... xmove |
| 20:05.39 | thiago | benJIman: it won't be easy because nowadays much of the program's state is kept on the X server |
| 20:05.44 | thiago | benJIman: like pixmaps, for instance |
| 20:05.51 | stoned | well |
| 20:05.56 | Sho_ | benJIman: http://hpux.cs.utah.edu/hppd/hpux/X11/Networking/xmove-2.0b2/ |
| 20:05.58 | stoned | if the Xserver is killed, apps die too eh? |
| 20:06.05 | Sho_ | benJIman: But it's obsolete today |
| 20:06.16 | stoned | xscreen kinda functionality if what I'm looking for |
| 20:06.35 | Sho_ | stoned: Well, then you can use NX |
| 20:06.41 | stoned | I might nx a shot again, I used it last year for my desktop when I went home to pakistan |
| 20:06.48 | stoned | it was slow as shit, but it was ok enough |
| 20:07.04 | benJIman | did you turn off the full ssl encryption? |
| 20:07.07 | stoned | hey Sho_ |
| 20:07.10 | stoned | benJIman, dunno |
| 20:07.44 | gdiebel | benJIman: no significant speed increase if the ssl is turned off |
| 20:08.35 | benJIman | gdiebel: I see a difference, |
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| 20:10.13 | PhilRod | oh, pinotree already put bug triage in the topic :-) |
| 20:10.15 | *** mode/#kde [-o PhilRod] by PhilRod |
| 20:10.29 | pinotree | ;) |
| 20:10.35 | stoned | hey |
| 20:10.37 | stoned | I like pinotree |
| 20:10.39 | stoned | he is cool |
| 20:10.47 | stoned | that nickname is like awesome man |
| 20:10.48 | pinotree | wow, thanks |
| 20:10.51 | stoned | pino tree |
| 20:10.57 | benJIman | Sho_ thiago I wonder if it would be possible to use something like xdmx, taking advantage of X's network transparency |
| 20:10.59 | stoned | its almost like pine |
| 20:11.03 | stoned | but not quite |
| 20:11.07 | stoned | and there is this other kid |
| 20:11.09 | stoned | qupada |
| 20:11.10 | stoned | man |
| 20:11.18 | stoned | what an awesome nickname, its like from the custacious period |
| 20:11.20 | stoned | qupada |
| 20:11.23 | stoned | arthoropoda |
| 20:11.24 | stoned | etc. |
| 20:11.30 | PhilRod | that's enough, thanks |
| 20:11.31 | stoned | its hilarious man, and I'm stoned |
| 20:11.47 | Sho_ | benJIman: Hmm, xdmx looks interesting indeed, I wasn't aware of it |
| 20:12.00 | benJIman | it is included in xorg |
| 20:12.21 | stoned | phil must be a grampa |
| 20:12.22 | stoned | :D |
| 20:12.26 | stoned | party pooper |
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| 20:14.12 | smileaf | PhilRod == party crasher? |
| 20:14.22 | smileaf | Go Phil! =p |
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| 20:19.15 | Tuju | should klash be able to play google's videos+ |
| 20:19.53 | smileaf | klash? |
| 20:20.01 | Tuju | yep :) |
| 20:20.13 | smileaf | never heard of it. |
| 20:20.24 | Tuju | me neither but just installed it |
| 20:20.49 | Tuju | gnash-klash.x86_64 0:0.7.2-1.fc6 |
| 20:21.12 | Tuju | it's trying but shows only a black window. |
| 20:21.37 | thiago | ask the klash developers then |
| 20:21.49 | thiago | we've never heard of it here |
| 20:22.20 | thiago | Konqueror plays Google Videos just fine (online); all of my video programs, including kmplayer and kaffeine, can play the downloaded videos |
| 20:22.59 | Tuju | yep - until you get x86_64 arch and everything starts sucking :) |
| 20:23.18 | Sho_ | thiago: Gnash is a free implementation of Adobe Flash; Klash is the Konqueror plug-in |
| 20:23.19 | Tuju | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 20:23.30 | thiago | which is why I don't install 64-bit |
| 20:23.40 | thiago | you can use one of the many different solutions for loading 32-bit plugins, though |
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| 20:25.51 | Tuju | been there, seen that, done that. It's a mess. I rather be without all nice youtoube videos. |
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| 20:31.09 | Tuju | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/release-0.7.2.txt |
| 20:31.18 | Tuju | * Video is starting to work in CVS, but not in the 0.7.2 release. It |
| 20:31.18 | Tuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.18 | Tuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.35 | thiago | mplayer can play flv |
| 20:31.38 | thiago | they should use mplayer |
| 20:32.13 | Coff1n | xine can play flv too, afair |
| 20:32.24 | Sho_ | thiago: mplayer uses ffmpeg, notably |
| 20:32.38 | Sho_ | i.e. it comes down to the same thing |
| 20:32.45 | thiago | not really... |
| 20:32.50 | thiago | mplayer uses ffmpeg + a lot more |
| 20:32.59 | thiago | so if you use mplayer instead of ffmpeg, you get a lot more for free |
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| 20:34.13 | Sho_ | thiago: Well, ffmpeg does what they care about (flv), and MPlayer is rather cumbersome to use in something like that since it's not a library |
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| 20:34.59 | owe | hi, where can i ask about kmail? |
| 20:35.04 | pinotree | here |
| 20:35.26 | thiago | Sho_: embed in a window |
| 20:35.42 | owe | my kmail is hanging when i click in a e-mail head on the e-mail address sof a sender the option: add to addressbook, then it hangs totally |
| 20:36.01 | Sho_ | thiago: Unfun, since they need to blend and composite the video rendering with Flash UI elements |
| 20:36.12 | thiago | oh... true |
| 20:36.14 | stoned | owe, which version of kmail and kde, and which distro? |
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| 20:36.29 | thiago | you can in theory do that even with mplayer's embedded window |
| 20:36.33 | thiago | but you'll need Composite |
| 20:36.52 | stoned | wait |
| 20:37.25 | stoned | you need composite enabled to do what with mplayer embedded window? |
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| 20:37.30 | thiago | stoned: do what Sho_ said |
| 20:37.31 | Sho_ | thiago: yeah, but it would start to get really awkward ;) |
| 20:37.42 | owe | stoned: kmail 4:3.5.5.dfsg.1-4, kde 5:47, distro debian |
| 20:37.46 | thiago | Sho_: "you can accomplish everything with an extra level of indirection" |
| 20:37.58 | Sho_ | hehe :) |
| 20:38.09 | thiago | no, it's not 5:47. It's 6:38 |
| 20:38.11 | thiago | :-) |
| 20:38.25 | stoned | owe, first see if the bugs/behaviour you experience is filed for these packages on debian BTS |
| 20:38.25 | smileaf | 2:38 you mean =p |
| 20:39.11 | Sho_ | Time for a very late dinner ... bbl |
| 20:40.08 | Tuju | http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?18457 |
| 20:40.13 | Tuju | bug #18457: Can't undress strip girls |
| 20:40.23 | Tuju | heh heh, nice priorities :) |
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| 20:42.32 | Tuju | wouldn't it be possible to make a 'countainer' program where to start problematic application which would ease problem reporting? |
| 20:43.03 | kirun | you mean, like gdb? |
| 20:43.11 | Tuju | that would catch all std{out,err} stuff and study program otherwise. |
| 20:43.21 | PhilRod | you mean 'script' |
| 20:43.22 | Tuju | well yes, but have you seen any enduser using it? :) |
| 20:43.48 | Tuju | well, more like a gui which would have some kind of xml connection to bug reporting system. |
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| 20:44.04 | Tuju | then it would be able to check is the particular problem already reported. |
| 20:44.36 | Tuju | Now kde bugzilla is pretty full of stuff and with lots of duplicates etc. |
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| 20:45.22 | Tuju | I think there used to be an attemept to automatically handle those tracebacks but i don't know where that button disappeared from trace window. |
| 20:45.29 | PhilRod | cool if you could make it work, but sounds pretty tricky to make it actually useful |
| 20:45.33 | kirun | The trouble is that even experienced users can't always find an already reported bug |
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| 20:46.19 | Tuju | I think the only thing what's cannot be really reliably autocollected is what the user was actually doing. |
| 20:46.40 | Tuju | kirun, that's true - but the information is in computers, in both ends. |
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| 20:46.46 | kirun | e.g. User A will report "example.com broken". Joe Q Hacker will find foo.com broken due to same bug, and file "Dom property XYZ implemented wrong" |
| 20:46.59 | Tuju | now we use a lot human transporting this information. |
| 20:47.38 | Tuju | yes, those 'artifacts' or wrong rendering issues are problematic. |
| 20:48.01 | Tuju | but if someone has a crash in kmail, it's pretty obvious that it's a technical problem. |
| 20:48.10 | kirun | Well, if a site isn't working, I can usually get a minimal testcase out of it |
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| 20:48.59 | Tuju | if every app would have hooks in lib level and that bug reporting tool could save the program state and user actions, it could record them *before* the crash. |
| 20:49.40 | Tuju | it sounds a lot like gdb but that is very bare bones tool |
| 20:50.18 | Tuju | it doesn't help collecting and submitting the information to centralized place where devs could see in which cases most crashes happen. |
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| 20:51.48 | kirun | Are you familiar with Mozilla's Talkback? It doesn't do the input collecting stuff, but it does produce stats on what the top crashers are |
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| 20:52.04 | Tuju | I've heard of it but not seen it. |
| 20:52.14 | Tuju | there are talkback releases right? |
| 20:52.44 | kirun | I think it's usually in the nightly builds that developers and testers use |
| 20:52.58 | Tuju | yep |
| 20:53.25 | Tuju | perhaps it would be possible to do that in library level in KDE where everything is shared. |
| 20:53.31 | thiago | not really |
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| 20:54.14 | Tuju | it's just wierd that we have same errors in thousands of systems which are connected to the shared network and we don't systematically collect the debug information. |
| 20:54.42 | Tuju | instead go through the same dialog over n over again: "what version, what distro, etc" |
| 20:55.05 | thiago | KDE doesn't distribute binaries |
| 20:55.09 | thiago | your theory stops there |
| 20:55.26 | Tuju | I didn't say that it should be done by KDe |
| 20:55.57 | thiago | by whom them? |
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| 20:56.08 | Tuju | eh, by people in the net? |
| 20:56.12 | Tm_T | Whoo, root! |
| 20:56.15 | Tuju | by some fingers? |
| 20:56.25 | thiago | each one running a different build? |
| 20:56.36 | thiago | with different options, on different OSs, with different component libraries? |
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| 20:57.03 | g-henna | my konqueror lacks the "plugins" tab in the configuration window. any idea why that could be? |
| 20:57.21 | thiago | g-henna: nspluginviewer isn't installed |
| 20:57.26 | Renze | g-henna: your distro splits that out into a separate package? |
| 20:57.32 | Tuju | perhaps I go to watch tv. |
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| 20:59.16 | g-henna | thiago: ok, thanks! |
| 20:59.21 | g-henna | Renze: gentoo: kde-base/nsplugins |
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| 21:03.11 | g-henna | thiago: and do i need to logout and back in for konqueror to recognize? |
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| 21:04.39 | deb_noob | is it possible to disable pop-up blocking notifications in konqueror? |
| 21:05.03 | thiago | g-henna: not normally |
| 21:05.06 | thiago | deb_noob: yes |
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| 21:09.08 | darkcmd | I am trying to use the ARTS sound system, I have selected ALSA as my hardware, it gives me this error in kcontrol upon trying to kit Apply: "device: default can't be opened for playback (Permission denied)" My sound card does work when I select ESD. How can I fix this? |
| 21:09.30 | tzanger | quick question -- where does kmail get the "reply/forward" status for IMAP messages so it alters the little mail icon with a red or blue (or both) icon? I've looked at the message source on the IMAP server and there doesn't appear to be anything there |
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| 21:09.57 | eliasp | darkcmd: why do you wanna use aRts?? are there still any reasons for using this? |
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| 21:11.03 | darkcmd | so how can I just use straight alsa, and have KDE's sounds work? |
| 21:11.17 | deb_noob | thiago: how do I do that? |
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| 21:11.29 | eliasp | darkcmd: use alsa > 1.0.9, install picoxine, set picoxine as player for kde sound events |
| 21:11.39 | Sho_ | darkcmd: By disabling the KDE Sound System and setting up an external player (e.g. aplay) in the advanced options of the sound notifications section |
| 21:11.41 | deb_noob | thiago: how would I disable pop-up blocking notifications in konqueror? |
| 21:11.53 | g-henna | deb_noob: popup like what? |
| 21:12.03 | eliasp | darkcmd: disable aRts completely |
| 21:12.05 | deb_noob | "konqueror has blocked a popup |
| 21:12.06 | darkcmd | what permissions should /dev/dsp be set to? |
| 21:12.09 | g-henna | like "popup has been blocked"? |
| 21:12.11 | _root | Alguien que sepa Castellano ??? |
| 21:12.55 | eliasp | darkcmd: writable for the group you're using for accessing sound devices... mostly "sound" |
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| 21:17.21 | Newsbunny | DUCKFART ! |
| 21:17.24 | Newsbunny | DUDE .. |
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| 21:17.39 | Newsbunny | that is a cool moniker .. |
| 21:17.52 | DuckFart | thanks |
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| 21:18.11 | darkcmd | eliasp: I added to the audio group, it still does not give me access, what should the permissions on /dev/dsp be> |
| 21:18.44 | eliasp | darkcmd: nopaste the output of "groups" and "ls -l /dev/dsp" logged in as normal user |
| 21:19.08 | thiago | deb_noob: I don't think you've ever been to a page that has popups. |
| 21:19.35 | eliasp | darkcmd: but usually, you don't have to do something to make it work... in current distributions, udev takes care of this |
| 21:19.47 | deb_noob | thiago: Idk, I just got a notification saying it stopped a popup |
| 21:19.49 | thiago | deb_noob: if you had, you'd have clicked the icon that appears on the status bar and that allows you to configure that |
| 21:19.58 | darkcmd | device: default can't be opened for playback (Permission denied)jordan@warlock:~$ groups |
| 21:19.58 | darkcmd | jordan |
| 21:20.01 | darkcmd | wait |
| 21:20.14 | darkcmd | ignore the first part up untill ) |
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| 21:20.24 | deb_noob | thiago: thank you. |
| 21:20.32 | darkcmd | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2007-01-03 17:21 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 |
| 21:21.07 | eliasp | darkcmd: it's just a symlink... what are the permissions of dsp0 |
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| 21:21.44 | eliasp | you're not in the audio group, only in group jordan... |
| 21:22.02 | deb_noob | thiago: I do not see the icon |
| 21:22.39 | thiago | deb_noob: on the status bar, to the right |
| 21:22.46 | thiago | deb_noob: a white icon with a red cross |
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| 21:24.12 | deb_noob | thiago: will the icon only appear if there is a popup? |
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| 21:25.10 | thiago | yes |
| 21:25.22 | thiago | you can go to Settings, Configure Konqueror, Java & JavaScript |
| 21:25.25 | deb_noob | okay thanks, i'll look for it the next time it occurs |
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| 21:26.05 | deb_noob | okay i do not see the option in there |
| 21:26.12 | thiago | it is there |
| 21:26.14 | thiago | click JavaScript |
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| 21:26.45 | deb_noob | okay then what |
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| 21:27.29 | smileaf | Open new Windows: Click "Smart" |
| 21:27.35 | thiago | unlick that |
| 21:27.39 | thiago | move it to Allow |
| 21:27.48 | thiago | every website will be allowed to open popups |
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| 21:27.51 | smileaf | Ah, always allowing it. |
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| 21:28.01 | deb_noob | i'll deny it |
| 21:28.06 | thiago | I have no idea why he wants that |
| 21:28.08 | darkcmd | eliasp: jordan : jordan audio : crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-01-03 17:21 /dev/dsp0 |
| 21:28.15 | thiago | deb_noob: some uses are valid |
| 21:28.27 | deb_noob | okay i'll try allow |
| 21:28.34 | deb_noob | but i do not want to see popups |
| 21:28.41 | thiago | then leave it in Smart |
| 21:28.55 | deb_noob | but smart shows a notification |
| 21:29.15 | thiago | and you didn't see that you can turn the notification off? |
| 21:29.25 | thiago | c'mon, you're not paying attention |
| 21:29.31 | thiago | when it tells you something, read it |
| 21:29.35 | deb_noob | no i do not see a notification |
| 21:30.03 | thiago | the icon on the statusbar allows you to turn the notification off |
| 21:30.06 | smileaf | then again its been a really really long time since I last went to a site that had popups =) |
| 21:30.23 | deb_noob | okay, again i'll wait until it happens again |
| 21:30.40 | deb_noob | what website has popups? |
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| 21:34.42 | thiago | deb_noob: porn sites |
| 21:36.00 | wolsni | http://www.popuptest.com/popuptest1.html |
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| 21:39.52 | deb_noob | sweet, thank you guys! |
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| 21:45.45 | deb_noob | how do I install more windows decorations? |
| 21:45.57 | Kasyx | kde-look.org |
| 21:46.07 | deb_noob | i mean from kcontrol |
| 21:46.12 | deb_noob | i do not see an add option |
| 21:46.15 | Kasyx | Most decorations have an installtion guide |
| 21:46.28 | deb_noob | compile them and they will appear |
| 21:46.32 | benJIman | Easiest way is to install a package for your distro |
| 21:46.53 | deb_noob | my distro doesn't have one i'm really satisfied with |
| 21:46.57 | deb_noob | i have all of them installed |
| 21:47.06 | deb_noob | are there any with .deb packages? |
| 21:47.14 | Kasyx | deb_noob: which distro? |
| 21:47.22 | deb_noob | debain etch i386 |
| 21:47.25 | benJIman | sorry I use suse, and there is a repository with dozens of them |
| 21:47.39 | benJIman | I expect there is a debian repo somewhere, google |
| 21:47.53 | deb_noob | google what terms? |
| 21:47.57 | gdiebel | kde-look has debs for a bunch |
| 21:48.03 | deb_noob | debian kde repository |
| 21:49.11 | sredna | deb_noob: Visit http://www.kde-look.org and find some, or try apt-cache searching |
| 21:50.10 | deb_noob | I have all installed for the repo i'm using |
| 21:50.16 | deb_noob | i'm trying to add more repos |
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| 21:52.49 | deb_noob | thanks guys, I'll give it a try. |
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| 22:15.48 | EvilGuru | what is the kde task view called|? |
| 22:16.00 | Renze | taskbar applet? |
| 22:16.15 | Renze | or are you thinking of ksysguard? |
| 22:16.47 | Renze | being less vague would be helpful ;) |
| 22:17.25 | JohnFlux_ | EvilGuru: press ctrl+esc |
| 22:17.33 | EvilGuru | kmenu |
| 22:17.38 | EvilGuru | Renze: yep ksysguard |
| 22:17.42 | EvilGuru | thanks |
| 22:17.53 | Renze | no problem |
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| 22:23.22 | DaSkreech | Tuju: Have you heard of knoware? |
| 22:23.40 | Tuju | DaSkreech nope. |
| 22:23.42 | Tuju | what's that? |
| 22:24.32 | eliasp | DaSkreech: is that your über-BasKet/KDissert/Kjots-whatever?? |
| 22:24.45 | DaSkreech | Tuju: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html |
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| 22:25.57 | qt | a quick question.. where is the performance - pretty sliding scale for kde? |
| 22:26.57 | JohnFlux_ | qt: sliding scale? |
| 22:27.14 | JohnFlux_ | ooo |
| 22:27.18 | wolsni | I don't know of one outside of kpersonalizer |
| 22:27.18 | JohnFlux_ | qt: personaliser |
| 22:27.33 | JohnFlux_ | yeah what wolsni said |
| 22:27.35 | JohnFlux_ | rerun that |
| 22:27.56 | Tuju | DaSkreech looks intresting. |
| 22:28.22 | DaSkreech | Yuup fits in with your uber collect info and figure it out by computers idea |
| 22:28.26 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.05 | Tuju | I need to give it a try. |
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| 22:48.23 | mots_ | are there python bindings for kopete? |
| 22:49.44 | thiago | no |
| 22:49.56 | mots | sucky :( |
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| 22:51.31 | gdiebel | Sho_: did I imagine support being added to Konversation for a shortcut: switch to last tab with activity? |
| 22:51.49 | thiago | Alt+A like in irssi? |
| 22:52.12 | Sho_ | gdiebel: You did not |
| 22:52.18 | Sho_ | thiago: yup |
| 22:52.33 | Sho_ | Well, it's not Alt+A, but it works like in irssi |
| 22:52.44 | gdiebel | is it in svn atm? |
| 22:52.55 | Sho_ | gdiebel: yup |
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| 22:54.26 | Sho_ | gdiebel: I'm not very happy with the current implementation, however - it goes through the tabs in chronological order (which is fine), but it doesn't stratify along the notification hierarchy yet, i.e. I want it to go through highlights before regular messages, for example. I'll tweak that when I get around to it. |
| 22:55.15 | gdiebel | Sho_: sounds like a nice feature |
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| 22:57.04 | Linux_Galore | nice idea for kde 4.0 -> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=51069&PHPSESSID=83b0228a0eb024c2e20958e98912420c |
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| 23:03.32 | Shirakawasuna | what's that package/app that changes gtk open/save dialogs to be more like kde's? |
| 23:03.39 | Renze | kgtk |
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| 23:04.26 | mots | is it possible to actively use msn handwriting in kopete? |
| 23:04.39 | Shirakawasuna | thanks |
| 23:08.03 | Shirakawasuna | it didn't appear to work w/ vlc, which apps does it work with for you? |
| 23:08.24 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Firefox and Gimp |
| 23:08.51 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: VLC doesn't use GTK natively but through wxWidgets, so that presumably upsets it |
| 23:09.15 | Shirakawasuna | ah, right |
| 23:09.21 | lockd | why would "Battery power" be running out if KLaptop is claiming it's going to last for 16 hours? |
| 23:09.23 | Shirakawasuna | it *should* get a new qt interface w/ 0.9 ;) |
| 23:09.41 | Shirakawasuna | lockd: 16 hours sounds a little on the crazy side....just a little |
| 23:09.42 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Apparently the Qt4 interface is destined to become the default on Linux, too |
| 23:09.49 | Shirakawasuna | yup |
| 23:10.13 | Shirakawasuna | all it needs is a konqueror plugin and it's all I'll use |
| 23:10.19 | Shirakawasuna | (kmplayer is buggy for me atm) |
| 23:10.20 | lockd | Shirakawasuna: well a) i'm not running much, b) it always takes a while to register the proper amount |
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| 23:10.39 | lockd | so what determines "Battery power is running out." and what determines the charge percentage? |
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| 23:12.16 | lockd | now kde claims 145 hours |
| 23:12.28 | lockd | i don't believe it, but it's like those "2 minute" downloads that take 2 weeks |
| 23:12.44 | syd67ro | is there any kde app similar to daemontools from windows? To load cd/dvd image files? Ideally, it should be integrated with kde and should be present in gentoo's portage tree |
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| 23:13.20 | Sho_ | syd67ro: There's cdemu, which is a kernel module and a user space utility. I believe I saw Konqueror service menus on kde-apps.org that serve as frontend to cdemu. |
| 23:13.33 | Renze | syd67ro: you can mount filesystem images using mount -o loop |
| 23:13.39 | Shirakawasuna | lockd: never happened to me before |
| 23:14.09 | Sho_ | Renze: What cdemu brings to the table is support for various other outlandish image formats |
| 23:14.17 | syd67ro | Renze: yes, I know that. but I want something from the kde gui. besides, I think that mount -o loop does not support many formats (like nrg for instance) |
| 23:14.29 | Renze | Sho_: ah, I ignore the outlandish formats and just use .iso ;) |
| 23:14.52 | Sho_ | syd67ro: So, cdemu + Konq service menus from kde-apps.org, I guess |
| 23:14.57 | lockd | what is the format you get when you do a dd? |
| 23:15.04 | wolsni | syd67ro: i believe you can open iso files like archives with krusader |
| 23:15.13 | Sho_ | syd67ro: cdemu also has .nrg support |
| 23:15.42 | lockd | dd_rescue seems to make iso format, and it is one of the very few good cd-backup tools |
| 23:15.46 | syd67ro | ok, thanks. I'm emerging cdemu right now |
| 23:16.01 | Renze | lockd: iso |
| 23:16.18 | wolsni | lockd: you can configure whether klaptop uses time remaining or battery % charge to determine 'critical' status |
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| 23:17.49 | lockd | wolsni: what would cause quick switching between say 3 minutes remaining and 150 hours remaining? |
| 23:17.51 | Shirakawasuna | restarting kde made it work, even in vlc :) |
| 23:18.05 | Shirakawasuna | now to get it working in the kmenu |
| 23:18.23 | lockd | wolsni: i have to assume that it's 3 minutes, and just ignore the random high values |
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| 23:19.47 | wolsni | i'd agree with you there |
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| 23:20.12 | lockd | wolsni: something is strange with the calculation.. 74323423423 percent left |
| 23:20.13 | pinotree | bram85: why don't you do a koffice bug triage? |
| 23:21.22 | bram85 | pinotree: could be idea for next time |
| 23:21.40 | bram85 | pinotree: konqueror just needs much attention, the # bugs/wishes are just insane |
| 23:21.49 | pinotree | i mean, ok for konqueror, but it was already done once |
| 23:21.56 | pinotree | even koffice, imho |
| 23:22.26 | bram85 | i wish i could do arbitrary SELECT COUNT(...) queries on bugzilla |
| 23:22.40 | pinotree | (even in koffice 1.x - apart from krita and kformula - /seems/ almost abandoned :-( ) |
| 23:22.54 | pinotree | s/in/if/ |
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| 23:28.38 | bram85 | pinotree: it does not really matter how alive the project is... it's more a matter of keeping bugzilla clean |
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| 23:29.05 | pinotree | then do that for koffice too |
| 23:30.11 | pinotree | .. please, of course :) |
| 23:30.27 | bram85 | i was waiting for that :) |
| 23:30.35 | bram85 | yeah, i noted it down |
| 23:30.48 | pinotree | thanks |
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| 23:34.03 | bram85 | off to bed |
| 23:36.08 | syd67ro | Sho_: I've installed cdemu, but I cannot find konqueror service menu on kde-apps... do you know the exact name? |
| 23:36.59 | Sho_ | syd67ro: No, sorry |
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| 23:39.08 | wolsni | syd67ro: krusader can browse iso contents; it also provides an iso:// kioslave |
| 23:39.59 | Sho_ | wolsni: He said he wanted support for .nrg & Co, which are not .iso |
| 23:40.51 | PhilRod | :-) |
| 23:41.01 | Sho_ | PhilRod: congrats |
| 23:41.10 | PhilRod | doubly impressive, since I haven't committed anything in a-g-e-s :-) |
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| 23:41.39 | syd67ro | ok, a simpler problem/faq. I want to watch dvd movies stored in iso files. I need it to do this in an easy manner... It would be nice to use something which knows of dvd menus |
| 23:42.17 | Sho_ | MPlayer (and by extension, KMPlayer) is capable of directly opening image files containing DVD file systems, but it doesn't do menus |
| 23:42.18 | syd67ro | i have mplayer, kmplayer, kaffeine, xine, ogle... don't know which one is most fitted for playing dvds. |
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| 23:42.58 | mariux | can i get kde to not ask me for the login (show the locked session) thing each time i change x-server? |
| 23:43.12 | mariux | i have startet two sessions, i need one in english and one in norwegian |
| 23:43.22 | mariux | change between them alot |
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| 23:43.59 | syd67ro | kaffeine looks nice. but if I try to "open dvd" it presumes that I have it in the drive .. (dont know how to load a specific file, perhaps I should try from the command line) |
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| 23:44.10 | aseigo | mariux: you're using the switch user menu in the kmenu to switch back and forth? hum. you could always use ctrl+alt+F# where # is the number of the display |
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| 23:45.03 | aseigo | syd67ro: put the dvd in the drive and if your OS doesn't have the ability to detect a new drive then start kaffeine |
| 23:45.12 | aseigo | er, new dvd disk |
| 23:45.23 | aseigo | syd67ro: if your system can (e.g. it has hal/dbus running) then you'll get a popup |
| 23:45.42 | syd67ro | aseigo: I dont have the dvd. I have an image file (iso file) |
| 23:45.50 | aseigo | syd67ro: this assumes it's an actual video dvd and not a dvd disk with data on it. in the latter case you'll want to open it in konqi and click on files from there. |
| 23:46.32 | aseigo | syd67ro: ah, you have an iso file... AFAIK you need to loopback mount it first in that case |
| 23:47.09 | mariux | aseigo: yes i am using those, the shortcut keys only work 20% of the time |
| 23:47.13 | mariux | i think its a ati bug |
| 23:47.42 | aseigo | neat |
| 23:49.25 | mariux | aseigo: is there a way? And why does kde do it if there is another way to do the exact same thing only without the password |
| 23:49.41 | mariux | seems very much like useless security |
| 23:49.43 | SimAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.53 | SimAtWork | oops |
| 23:50.03 | mariux | 7msg SimAtWork i think you are hot |
| 23:50.06 | mariux | oops |
| 23:50.17 | aseigo | mariux: it locks when you leave the desktop. so if you purposefully leave using another, less secure mechanism .. well. what can it do? =) |
| 23:50.23 | aseigo | lol |
| 23:50.27 | mariux | :) |
| 23:50.34 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.37 | pinotree | oops |
| 23:50.40 | pinotree | :-P |
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| 23:51.00 | aseigo | silly euro keyboards with / over the 7, instead of an & ;) |
| 23:51.09 | mariux | aseigo: hehe :) |
| 23:51.22 | SimAtWork | i'm as hot as geeks get. |
| 23:51.39 | SimAtWork | unfortunately that doesn't get me piles of hot naked women, but cats and dogs seem to love me. |
| 23:51.45 | mariux | in norway we have three extra letters so alot of the keys have three chars assigned to them |
| 23:51.57 | pinotree | aseigo: not euro keyboards, they had that configuration years before the euro |
| 23:52.17 | mariux | pinotree: think me meant european |
| 23:52.20 | mariux | *he |
| 23:52.31 | pinotree | ah, right |
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| 23:53.16 | mariux | wow, my translation of kgeography is gonna look good on the translationstats |
| 23:53.28 | mariux | 4400 msgid's |
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| 23:53.49 | pinotree | its->him |
| 23:54.05 | mariux | has who at 100%? |
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| 23:54.16 | aseigo | mariux: nice =)) |
| 23:54.31 | pinotree | mariux: it translation is at 100% :-P |
| 23:54.41 | mariux | swedish or danish pinotree ? |
| 23:54.45 | pinotree | it |
| 23:54.48 | mariux | see |
| 23:55.07 | mariux | 90% of the translation is copied from the danish one so it was easy :P |
| 23:55.26 | pinotree | i'm the italian kgeography translator, and i translated all the 4400+ messges myself |
| 23:55.34 | mariux | haha |
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| 23:55.43 | pinotree | was an hard work |
| 23:56.05 | mariux | here 90% of my work was changing the ending of the words from -en to -a |
| 23:56.12 | mariux | aseigo: i've given up trying to contribute through code so i thought this would be nice |
| 23:56.41 | mariux | and i hate to see the swedes and danes at the top of the list every week in the svn digest |
| 23:57.00 | pinotree | mariux: don't forget pt and pt_BR |
| 23:57.20 | mariux | pinotree: i dont mind them being on the top :P |
| 23:58.59 | mariux | pinotree: then you could probably check something for me |
| 23:59.13 | mariux | start kgeography and do a "Division by flag" quiz |
| 23:59.14 | pinotree | the bug you reported? i'm checking |
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| 23:59.29 | mariux | the one from 30min ago yes |
| 23:59.53 | kinections | where would i find the journal entries from korganizer in ~/.kde ? |
