irclog2html for #kde on 20070111

00:00.02bobesponjabye GINA
00:00.09logixoulbobesponja: my bad, listen to Renze
00:00.20Renzebobesponja: if the files are on another partition, check .Trash-<userid> on that partition
00:00.38bobesponjaRenze: drwx------ 4 pat pat 4096 2006-09-25 01:49 Trash
00:00.44bobesponja(my user name is Pat)
00:00.47Renzelooks OK to me
00:00.51bobesponjaand it's on the same partition
00:00.51logixoul<PROTECTED>
00:02.08bobesponjaok, when I do trash:/ it's all empty
00:02.34bobesponjabut ls Trash/files has more than 200 files
00:02.37Renzehmmm...
00:03.04bobesponjaand the Trash tooltip says 207 files
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00:03.40bobesponjadoes anyone run kubuntu?
00:03.50Renzenot I
00:03.54aseigobobesponja: if you're using a remotely recent version of kde, ~/Trash isn't where it goes
00:04.00aseigobobesponja: it's in .local/share/Trash
00:04.27bobesponjaaseigo:  I know that's where I checked
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00:05.13aseigoGINA:  http://linux-br.conectiva.com.br <-- mailing list there that can help you
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00:05.35GINAtank you
00:05.38bobesponja"ls .local/share/Trash/files/ |wc -l"  returns 171
00:05.41aseigoGINA: np
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00:06.39aseigobobesponja: hum. for humour's sake, mv .local/share/Trash somewhere, e.g. ~/Trash.tmp and try to trash something again
00:09.43logixoulfyi everyone: disabling kuick_plugin seems to speed konq up noticably
00:10.02bobesponjaaseigo: I can move to Trash now but the tooltip still indicate 171 files, trash:/ is still empty and I can't still empty the trash
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00:21.05hacostais bugs.kde.org the correct place to report a k3b bug?
00:21.17hacostait crashes when i try to open mywarezdl.cue
00:21.46logixoulyep, it is
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00:30.07logixoulgotta love the community
00:30.08logixoulhttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76082
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00:30.28logixoulevery hot spot just /has/ to turn into a political extravaganza
00:30.44logixoul"it's not quantum mechanics, implement it already"
00:30.59logixoul"power corrupts"
00:31.27logixoul"the bug service is here to let me report bugs, not suggest to implement stuff"
00:32.19logixoul"engineers are a race different from humans"
00:32.56logixoul"Coolo, you arrogant bastard!!! Someone ought to put you out of your misery."
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00:33.37logixoul"I would highly suggest forking the project"
00:33.54logixouland my favorite, "lazy asses like coolo"
00:33.58logixouletc, etc.
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00:41.27StFShello.. is there anyone here who knows how kscreensaver works exactly? I'm trying to get electricsheep to work properly but I have Xinerama and what happens is that the screensaver is spread over both monitors and looks like crap... one monitor "flickers" with a blue color as it's being played
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00:43.01workman161that isn't kscreensaver, but xscreensaver
00:43.09logixoulStFS: in any case, kscreensaver is only a configurator/launcher for xscreensaver stuff, so your problem isn't a kde one. i can't help you, tho.
00:43.12workman161also, it is probably something with your video card
00:43.22workman161unable to do DRI on more than one display and all
00:43.59LXRocksahahaha
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00:44.45LXRocksa real lol here , laughout my mouth out
00:46.31StFSworkman161: electricsheep is just video so no dri is needed... but you're right... there's something about running the video across both monitors with Xinerama that doesn't sit well somewhere
00:47.52StFSit seems that something along the way ignores the indications of the two screens and sets everything up as a single area... I was just hoping that somebody knew how I could change that so just one of the monitors would display the electricsheep video and the other one would then just be blank
00:48.09workman161xinerama treats the whole setup as one screen
00:48.17workman161there really isn't 'two' screends
00:48.20workman161*screens
00:48.32StFSworkman161: yes... there are two screens
00:48.38workman161not according to X
00:48.41StFSworkman161: and Xinerama knows about them.
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00:49.16StFSworkman161: well... you can go to kde control panel and see an "ID" displayed on the screens... one gets a "1" and the other a "2"
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00:49.53workman161A screen in X is like one big canvas
00:50.00StFSworkman161: also... windows snap to all the edges so there's something providing some indications as to where the "monitor split" is
00:50.02workman161Xinerama merges multiple monitors into one big canvas
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00:50.16workman161thats what xinerama provides, the subscreen hints
00:50.17StFSworkman161: true... but it does more than that... and it's not quite this simple
00:50.28StFSworkman161: exactly..
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00:50.46StFSworkman161: but it also somehow handles different resolutions on the two screens and such
00:51.13StFSbut ok... I'll put my electric sheeps on ice then :)
00:51.29Renzeelectric sheep? kinky
00:51.56StFSbut while we're on the subject... do you (or anybody) know what the general status of a "single desktop multi head" setup on linux is with regards to DRI?
00:52.39StFSis there anything other than Xinerama that does this properly? Or is Xinerama working on getting DRI support?
00:52.59workman161Not using xinerama and instead configuring X for two distinct screens is what I use
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00:53.02workman161DRI works just fine
00:53.11workman161one screen at a time of course
00:53.24StFSworkman161: but then you can't move windows between monitors right?
00:53.30workman161nope :(
00:53.37StFSyeah... that sucks :(
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00:54.00workman161well, with GTK they have some fancypants stuff that lets you move apps between displays
00:54.11StFSRenze: it's actually quite cool...
00:54.29StFSRenze: http://electricsheep.org/
00:54.37StFSworkman161: ok
00:54.53LXRocksRenze
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00:55.08workman161you can still start apps on different displays by changing DISPLAY to something like 0.1 for display 1, or 0.0 for display 0
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00:55.26workman161I use one for watching MythTV and the other for being semi-productive
00:55.54StFSworkman161: yeah... I tried having it this way once but I mostly do work on my computer and this was driving me nuts
00:56.14workman161I'm used to it
00:56.15StFSworkman161: so I rather gave up DRI
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00:57.24StFSI'm just really curious to know what's being done about this (if anything)... I think this is a pretty major issue for linux on the desktop in general
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00:58.21workman161IMHO, I believe that is a restriction caused by the graphics card itself
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00:58.59StFSworkman161: oh? but you can have 3d acceleration on both monitors if you use windows
00:59.39workman161then my understanding of graphics must be flawed
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01:03.42Renzeit's more a case of the driver rather than the hardware
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01:11.33Toxis there any program to learn English in kubuntu ?
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01:13.01RenzeTox: ask in #kubuntu
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01:13.47ToxRenze then tell me dz this program exist at all ?
01:14.02RenzeTox: how should I know? english is the only language I know
01:14.19RenzeTox: plus, I don't use kubuntu :P
01:14.30Tox:) lucky me i know 4 lang lol
01:14.44Tox.. and use kubuntu :)
01:14.47RenzeI know plenty of languages... but only one that is used in communication
01:15.04Toxi.e Russian ?
01:15.08Renzeno
01:15.29ToxPolish ? Lithuanian ?
01:15.33RenzeC/C++, Pascal, Prolog, Python, Haskell, PHP, etc
01:15.36Tox<PROTECTED>
01:15.44Toxvb ?
01:15.55Renzeew
01:15.56Renzeno way
01:15.56Toxwhy ?
01:15.56Renzewhy would I want to learn virus basic?
01:16.06Toxi like it ..
01:16.20Renzeit's not available for linux anyway, which is a good thing
01:16.33Toxits very easy to learn and undrstand
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01:16.44Renzeeasy does not equate to good
01:16.51Toxthats pitty ..
01:17.58RenzeTox: plus I haven't had windows installed on any PC since 1999
01:18.27Toxwow! you're linux maniac lol
01:18.35Renzeof course
01:18.56Toxi tried it a cpl yrs ago but fail
01:19.27Toxnow i using ubuntu about a 3 mnths
01:19.42Renzelinux for 8 years, gentoo for 2 years and counting
01:19.48Toxwhat cud i say .. it great os
01:20.30Toxgentoo is this a distr ?
01:20.33Renzeyes
01:20.49Toxwhats the diff betweeen gentoo and debian ?
01:20.58Renzeeverything is compiled from source
01:21.27Toxso theres no diff ? :)
01:21.39RenzeHUGE difference
01:21.47Renzedebian uses binary packages... gentoo uses source code
01:22.05Toxonly sc ? interesting ..
01:23.00Toxso do u have to work much in terminal ?
01:23.00Renzehave to? I do so by choice
01:23.01Renzethe terminal is extremely powerful
01:23.29Toxhard but interesting .. i have no patient for it
01:23.42RenzeI've been using a commandline since 1983
01:23.46qupadadebian only gives you one option for every package; the proverbial 'pizza with everything'.  if you don't want an optional compile-time option in one of your applications, you're screwed
01:25.13Toxwhat last ms os u used last time 3.1 ?
01:25.21RenzeWindows 98
01:25.30RenzeI got sick of it crashing every 30 minutes
01:26.04Toxoh this was the best product of ms :)
01:26.32Toxand Vista it wud be a monster
01:27.17Toxwhat conf of pc i need to use i.e vista and ut 2007 :)
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01:27.42Renzeask in ##windows — we don't give a shit
01:27.46workman161Hi, please expend the extra effort to add those two extra letters to 'you', along with your various other mistakes
01:28.28Toxit wasnt a question just thougt loud
01:28.38Renzestill doesn't belong here
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01:32.57lockdis there any way to modify the Log Out dialog?  I just got suspend2 working, and want to add hibernate and hibernate-ram
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01:41.01lockdalso, does anyone know why kdeinit would be running after setting kde for prelink? (and prelinking, of course)
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01:44.14qupadalockd: there is something at kde-look.org that adds hibernate and suspend to the logout dialogue
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01:44.31lockdqupada: ahh, thanks
01:44.34LXRockswindows 98 crashed every 30 minutes ?
01:44.58LXRocksrenze
01:45.08qupadalockd: no idea if it's a patch that requires recompiling kdebase or whatever, but i have seen it
01:45.13lockdnow about the bigger problem? how do i tell if kde's prelinked is working?
01:45.21Renzedoes it start faster?
01:45.42lockdqupada: i'm probably going to stop using the monolithic packages
01:45.50LXRocksrenze : It crashed every minutes for me :)
01:45.58qupadaprelinking only makes <10% difference anyway, it's not something you're going to notice that much
01:46.02LXRocksand w95 was worse
01:46.11lockdqupada: kdebase is only for monolithic, right?
01:46.26qupadalockd: yeah, i didn't know what distro you were using though
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01:46.32lockdqupada: gentoo
01:46.39qupadai kinda guessed that
01:46.53LXRocksbut now a question arise : was it a 1 - bad designed kernel  2 - hardware problem(bad cpus)  ?
01:47.05lockdqupada: how?.. what i'm trying to get working?
01:47.29lockdqupada: (hibernate's default in most other distros isn't it)
01:47.29qupadalockd: when you used the term 'monolithic' and mentioned stopping using it
01:47.34qupadalockd: in any case, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=47593
01:47.54lockdqupada: thanks i had already gotten there, but still
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01:49.23qupadapersonally if i was using that, i'd change it so both buttons were visible immediately, the shift-toggle is just stupid
01:49.43lockdqupada: also i'm searching for XSLT support for Konqueror
01:49.47lockdqupada: yeah
01:49.56charzeroWhat graphical svn client do kde devs use?
01:50.04lockdqupada: and i think the patch is against base system
01:51.39lockdqupada: are there any KDE things like libglademm.. which can generate GUIs on the fly?
01:52.17qupadano idea sorry
01:53.16lockdqupada: know any way to have multiple sessions?
01:53.46lockdqupada:  i think that was suggested once, but for KDE4
01:54.10lockdqupada: i'll probably just write my own shutdown screen.. no reason to use ksmserver for that
01:54.47qupadamultiple sessions being something that the 'switch user' menu that has existed since 3.4.0 can't do?
01:55.32lockdqupada: hmm i only thought that was for a different user
01:55.45qupadano, you can log the same user in twice
01:56.19lockdqupada: where are the sessions stored, by the way?
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01:58.11DeformativeIs there a zenity substitute that uses qt?
01:58.20Renzewtf is zenity?
01:58.22qupadawell each one has its own X server, so see what /var/tmp/ has to offer
01:58.35DeformativeNotifys you of stuff.
01:58.40RenzeDeformative: kdialog?
01:58.49DeformativeI am trying to make a .desktop file,  that you drag a folder on to.
01:58.54DeformativeAnd it will upload it to a server.
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01:58.58DeformativeAnd notify a url for you.
01:59.07Deformativenotify you with a url*
01:59.08RenzeDeformative: kdialog is what you want then
01:59.51DeformativeHmm.
02:00.35DeformativeBefore I do this, does anyone already have one made?
02:01.18RenzeDeformative: there was one that uploads to imageshack on kde-apps, I think
02:01.25lockdanyone know where previous session is stored?
02:01.34lockdi have scoured ~/
02:01.35Renzelockd: ~/.kde/share/config/session/
02:01.36DeformativeI want it to do folders too though.
02:01.45RenzeDeformative: so modify it
02:02.02RenzeDeformative: or is your shellscript-fu weak? :D
02:02.23DeformativeWell, I am thinking, lol, gimmi a second.
02:02.30DeformativeAlright.
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02:03.11lockdRenze: thanks
02:03.18Renzelockd: no problem
02:03.27RenzeDeformative: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=51247
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02:05.07Deformativehttp://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22449
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02:05.20Renzethere can be only Juan
02:05.57Deformativejuan?
02:06.33Jucatoheheh :)
02:06.34RenzeJuan Carlos Torres... also known as Jucato
02:06.38Jucatomoin Renze :P
02:06.44Jucatodarn I overslept again...
02:06.56Renzehola Juan
02:07.20Jucatoyou do remember that I'm not Spanish and speak 0 Spanish, right? :D
02:07.27Renzeof course
02:07.35Renzebut you should be able to guess what hola means :D
02:07.45Jucatohola hoops?
02:07.46Jucato:P
02:08.01Renzenow you're just being facetious :D
02:08.08blineThis is an English only channel. ;P
02:08.24Renzebline: Scheiße!
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02:09.07JucatoI ain't no Brit :)
02:09.46Delphinusany idea why amarok will not read mp3 ID tags from a mounted smb share please?
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02:09.57DeformativeHmm, I wonder how hard it would be to make the menu into a .desktop file.
02:10.41RenzeDeformative: the menu is already a bunch of .desktop files
02:11.03DeformativeYeah but you cannot drag and drop a folder on to them.
02:11.05DeformativeI don't think.
02:11.21Renzehave you tried?
02:11.44DeformativeNot yet.
02:12.07RenzeDeformative: hint: use applications:/ in the location bar in konqueror
02:13.23Renzehmmm... can't drag and drop onto those... oh well
02:13.27Renzepity
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02:14.04RenzeDeformative: you can drag items from the menu onto kicker as launchers, then drop stuff onto those
02:14.06PaleoHi there :)
02:14.11Renzehi where?
02:14.23Paleothere -->
02:14.30Renzenot <-- there?
02:14.45Paleonah, ppl aren't friendly that way
02:14.55Renzeah... I'm <-- there ;)
02:15.04Paleoahah
02:15.12Jucato:O
02:15.21Paleo*** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61.
02:15.21Paleo*** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
02:15.22PaleoWhat's up with that ? o_O
02:15.55Renzeprobably a regexp problem
02:16.00JucatoPaleo: you might be missing automake
02:16.03DeformativeHmm.
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02:16.35Jucatoyeah, I got that too when I installed autoconf and didn't have automake...
02:17.18Paleowell, it's installed
02:17.31Paleoah ! Okay... "svn up admin" fixed that
02:17.49Jucato...
02:18.02Renzeellipsis?
02:18.14Renze- ‒ — ‒ -
02:18.42Paleoellipsis ? like in James Bond : Casino Royale ? ... :\
02:18.51ObsidianXcan i ask about kdewin32 here?
02:18.52Renzehaven't seen that yet
02:19.04RenzeObsidianX: doesn't exist yet
02:19.11ObsidianXsure it does, its just not done
02:19.24RenzeObsidianX: afaik they're working on porting kdelibs to win32, but slowly
02:19.38ObsidianXi've got some questions regarding QT's moc tool
02:19.42Jucatobut kdelibs on win32 does not a kdewin32 make
02:19.42RenzeObsidianX: chances are the whole of KDE won't be ported... just kdelibs and some apps
02:19.47ObsidianXit wont generate kwallet_interface.cpp/h/moc
02:20.28RenzeObsidianX: #kde4-devel perhaps?
02:20.32ObsidianXah, sounds good
02:20.33ObsidianXthanks ;)
02:20.42Renzeno problem
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02:21.13RenzeObsidianX: the other option is #qt
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02:23.36Renzez z Z Z z z
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02:32.13JucatoRenze: both noatun and juk require arts, right?
02:32.27Renzeno, noatun does... juk doesn't
02:32.31Jucatoaaah
02:32.41Jucatohm... haven't tried juk in a long time...
02:32.43Renzejuk can use akode as a backend
02:32.53Jucatoonly akode?
02:33.05Renzechecking
02:33.16Renzeit can use arts or gstreamer too
02:33.26Jucatohm....
02:33.28RenzeI just use akode and disable the other two
02:33.44Jucatocan it use xine?
02:33.46Renzeno
02:33.52Renzethat's for amarok
02:34.10Renzexine-lib to be precise... xine-ui isn't needed
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02:36.32RenzeJucato: http://www.carewolf.com/akode/index.html
02:36.54Jucatoaaah it's not KDE... oooh..
02:37.30Jucatowhich means I can install from the package manager :P
02:37.30Renzeah, you saw a 'k' and jumped to conclusions :D
02:37.40JucatoKino and K3D
02:38.08stonedRenze, whats up man
02:38.25Renzethe temperature
02:38.28stonedhaven't seen you around in a while, did you get a job?
02:38.32Jucatothe sky, the sun, and the clouds
02:38.32stonedyet...
02:38.45Renzenot yet... I've just been quiet
02:39.00stonedlazy couch potato
02:39.19RenzeI don't own a couch
02:39.24stonedoh
02:39.34stonedwell...
02:39.39stonedI'm sorry.
02:39.43Renzebut I do resemble a potato
02:39.48qupadachair potato!
02:39.59stoneddoesn't have quite the ring to it
02:40.02RenzeWii potato!
02:40.14stonedcan't remain too much of a potato with Wii
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02:40.25stonedI like that console, its good excercise for kids
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02:40.36stonedI probably didn't spell excersice right
02:40.39stonedbut who cares
02:40.40Renzeand good exercise for potatoes
02:40.47stonedI am highly uneducated
02:40.48Jucatowhat's that apt factoid again for split ebuilds?
02:40.56Renze~split-ebuilds
02:41.04aptIf you didn't build the whole of a KDE module, we can't offer support. See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=110806759516927&w=2 for the reason. Try #gentoo if you don't want to install the full KDE module.
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02:41.14stonedlol
02:41.17stonedmankind_tweezer
02:41.17Jucatook thanks :)
02:41.27stonedwhere do people come up with such nicknames man hahahaha
02:41.30JucatoI was thinking of not downloading whole modules....
02:41.42mankind_tweezerit's an anagram for ny name :)
02:41.45Renzestoned: I must admit my arms have gotten bigger since playing Wii Sports Baseball
02:42.14stonedRenze, keep the size of your patoot to yourself kindly sir kthx u much
02:42.18stoned:D
02:42.39Renzestoned: you don't want to hear about me with my hand wrapped around my wiimote? ;)
02:42.46stoneddude
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02:42.53stonedword. no.
02:42.55stonedlol
02:43.42RenzeNintendo ‒ only one game company could have come up with such a phallic controller :D
02:45.06stonedlol
02:45.10stonedI like nintendo
02:45.12stonedalways ahve
02:45.14Renzeso do I
02:45.20Renzethey make very playable games
02:45.20stonednever cared much for sega or sony or ms
02:45.29stonedwell in the days of true console wars
02:45.32Renzeplayability is what it's all about
02:45.35stonednintendo was always the winner
02:46.07stonedI've got every single snes rom ever made
02:46.07stonedgame
02:46.07stonedsorry
02:46.07stonedgame
02:46.07stoned:D
02:46.07stoned*ahem*
02:46.17Renzeyeah, right ;)
02:46.33stonedand NES stuff
02:46.40stonedI love mario rpg
02:46.59stonedmy favorite game of all times and immensely enjoyable over again
02:47.09stonedits like pokemon, without the faggotry
02:47.36Jucatopokemon!
02:47.48RenzeZelda is what got me hooked
02:48.08stonedoh fuck zelda
02:48.31stonedfirst time I EVER played a video game was on atari when I was like 7
02:48.46stonedThen I got a game gear sega my mom sent me from usa to pakistan
02:48.48RenzeFountain (black and white blocks)
02:48.54stonedI enjoyed it for a few weeks until I broke it
02:49.10stonedthen my next video game system was an SNES in usa
02:49.13DeformativeHmm, how do you make a .desktop file so that it will do something when you drag a file on it?
02:49.15stonedI was 112 years old
02:49.22stonedI was like hell yeah, mario was my first game
02:49.27stonedsuper mario world, with yoshi and all
02:49.34stonedI was hooked man, never really cared for zelda
02:49.55RenzeI prefer quests and stuff
02:50.21stonedwell mario has quests
02:50.32stonedhes on a constant quest to rescue the princess
02:50.39stonedwho apparantly never gives it up either
02:50.49stonedIjust don't understand why mario gives a shit anymore
02:50.56Renzejust like Zelda... Link never gets to dip his wick
02:51.00stonedand wtf is louigi doing in the first place man, hes NEVER gonna score
02:51.33stonedI want to see toadstool get double boned by the mario bros.
02:51.39Renzeand then there's Samus
02:51.44stonedI can die a satisfied man
02:52.03Renzestoned: that image probably exists somewhere
02:52.11stonedno
02:52.14stonedin a video game
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02:52.16stoned:)
02:52.24stonedcourse I seen the hentai crap
02:52.43Renzestoned: don't hold your breath ;)
02:52.59stonedhey Renze
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02:53.13Renzeyes?
02:53.17stonedhow are you?
02:53.20stonedits been a while
02:53.27stonedyou got a job yet?
02:53.37Renzethat question has already been answered
02:53.41stonedhuh
02:54.00stonedoh
02:54.08stonedok
02:54.15stonedI forgot
02:54.25Renzetoo much pot? ;)
02:54.31stonednot enough it seems
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02:54.37stonedhaven't been high in a while
02:54.45RenzeI haven't been high
02:55.38stonedits over rated
02:55.45stonedI only do it because I have nothing else to do
02:55.46RenzeI know, I've observed ;)
02:56.18stonedyou know whats really over rated
02:56.20stonedIP
02:56.27stonedInternet porn
02:56.34stonedits so heavily overrated
02:56.43stonedand its always that crap teen shit
02:56.50stonedoh wooo hot teens blah blah
02:56.56stonedI don't want a hot teen
02:56.56Renzethey have a target market
02:56.59stonedI want
02:57.10Renzemilf?
02:57.14stonedlike gimme like a tired old 30 year old divorcee whore porn
02:57.18stonedI dunno
02:57.47stonedI mean I know she'll proabbly say something stupid right int he middle of it
02:58.01stonedat no point during the sexual act do I wanna hear anyone go "ewww"
02:58.08stonedthats just me though
02:58.22Renzehow about yawning?
02:58.31stonedwhen will it go back to to square 1
02:58.40stonedremeber when you were 12
02:59.00Renzebarely
02:59.03stonedall you needed was a pair of flap jack titties on national geographic
02:59.06Renze<--- old fart
02:59.08stonedgive you boner for a month
02:59.19stonednow you need gaping anus porn just to break morning piss wood
02:59.20stonedits horrible
02:59.22stoned:
02:59.23stonedlol
02:59.27stonedI'm gonna shut up
02:59.32Renzegood idea
02:59.57stonedbut I mean
02:59.59stonedI do have a point
03:00.05stonedporn is overrated and way too advertised
03:01.15stonedit will more than likely be the demise of our society's youth
03:01.23stonedI guarantee someting along those lines
03:01.54Renzethat's already happened
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03:03.22canllaithargh
03:03.26canllaithmine eyes!
03:03.48qupadacanllaith: just woke up and it's actually sunny outside for a change?
03:03.53qupadaor Renze and stoned's conversation?
03:04.03Renzehey, I barely participated!
03:04.05canllaithThe conversation =)
03:04.41stonedahh
03:04.43stonedI'm sorry
03:04.49stonedI was possessed
03:05.03stonedI shouldn't take responsibility for that conversation since it wasn't me really, but I will.
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03:36.36Jucato:O
03:36.56troyI'm looking for topics for The Road to KDE 4 article series... any suggestions for KDE 4 features you'd like to see in action?
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03:38.52bluelightning_troy: have you written one on solid?
03:39.42troybluelightning: nope... in fact, that's totally absent from my topics list *adds it*
03:40.00Jucatoheh :)
03:40.10troythat's why I asked :)
03:40.21Jucatohm... people are surelygoing to be interested in the desktop effects... like kwin 4
03:40.25bluelightningsolid & phonon are two of the new things that interest me most in kde 4
03:41.08bluelightningactually the solid article could talk about dbus integration as well if you're short of material...
03:41.20troyJucato: I have an article proposed for kwin_composite and kwin 4... probably three weeks away... (I'm already done writing the next two weeks' articles... just delaying publishing)
03:41.42Jucatotroy: that's amazing! :)
03:42.10troybluelightning: the solid article would mostly be about how the solid backend will affect the desktop experience - so I'd have to show some of the by-products and improvements that result from it being there...
03:42.22Jucatooh! and oxygen! specially once they finish the windeco and widget styles....
03:42.36bluelightningdon't forget akonadi either :)
03:43.17troyakonadi is the new kdepim stuff? I've already got that one penned
03:43.26Jucatotroy: if your article could shed some light on some of the "mysterious" projects, like Decibel, Plasma, etc...
03:43.51bluelightningtroy: that's the one
03:44.01troyJucato: plasma is not ready for screenies :)  I haven't looked into the state of decibel
03:44.15Jucatoah... maybe some other month then :)
03:44.26Jucatoyou're fully booked as it is :P
03:44.53troyyeah, I've penned that one in for Feb 12th, if it's screenie worthy yet... if not, I'll just keep pushing it back for a while...
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03:45.45troythe thing is with plasma, unlike the other KDE technologies, people will be less accepting of the 'devel' screenies if it's ugly or unusable - they'll start complaining about why we bother to reinvent kicker and such -- so it better be good,.... like iPhone good :)
03:46.11Renzeapple are already getting sued over that name
03:46.12Jucatoheh :)
03:46.37troyRenze: yeah - Apple will just buy the name, and that whole business branch if they need to in order to get the name...
03:46.52JucatoPlasma right now is really very mysterious... people don't know what it *really* is...
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03:47.07Jucatoanyway... time for lunch :)
03:48.11troyit's just kdesktop and kicker and superkaramba-like widgets...
03:48.21troybut programmed from scratch to be better :)
03:48.39troythe fact that it's a complete rewrite is why it's so far behind other stuff
03:48.52Jucatoyeah, but the descriptions on their website mentions something about plasma being the replacement for kdesktop and kicker...
03:49.17Jucatoone question that comes to peoples mind is whether this would mean that if plasma/kicker crashed, the whole desktop goes down
03:50.15Jucatoand since there has been almost no "news" about plasma except for KRunner a few weeks ago, Plasma has become all the more mysterious :)
03:50.23troyJucato: probably, however that's the reason the run dialog got yanked out of kdesktop and put into it's own app - so it'll be there in the event of plasma going boom
03:50.53Jucatohm...
03:51.05Jucatoanyway... I'm looking forward to your articles :)
03:51.10troyheh - you guys are looking forward to this thing like I awaited the Start Menu of Win 95 :P
03:51.37Jucatooh, and please do clarify that kickoff is not the KDE 4 "start" menu...
03:51.57Renzeyes... please do... I don't think much of kickoff
03:52.04troythat article was bullshit by a guy that wanted to sell ads
03:52.09Jucatoyeah
03:52.13Jucatoannoying ain't it?
03:52.14troyI was pissed when slashdot and osnews ran it
03:52.27troynot a single link to kde projects... he ripped off my screenshots... grrst
03:52.38troyand factual inaccuracies to top it all off
03:53.03Jucatospecially the parts about Qt 4 and KDE 4 (on Windows...)
03:53.12troyno, that will actually happen
03:53.34troythe next article I have it showing KDE 4 running on the Mac.. it's pretty slick
03:53.34JucatoI meant that he's implying it's only with Qt 4 that Qt had a GPL license
03:53.46troyon windows, that is true
03:53.59Jucatoyes, but he didn't specify that
03:54.24canllaithtroy: Get used to it. Happens to me all the time :)
03:54.24troybut he also said plasma would run OS X dashboard widgets... hah!
03:54.27Jucatoalso, there's a difference between "can run"/"can be ported" to "will officially be ported", imho
03:54.28canllaithThink of it as a compliment.
03:54.59troycanllaith: hey, yeah - I know - that doesn't bother me as much as the factual inaccuracies that are impossible to correct
03:55.40Jucatook... I really need to get some lunch... I can feel my gastric juices devouring my stomach's walls...
03:56.49troyI'm happy when people link to the article, sad when they rip it off to sell ads...
03:59.28Renzetroy: send me some snow
03:59.53troyRenze: you can have it here: http://weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/city/pages/mb-38_metric_e.html
04:00.43Renzetroy: does this look better? http://tvnz.co.nz/cda/tvnz/weather_area_skin/WELLINGTON?area=WELLINGTON
04:01.10troyyes - very much so :)
04:02.03Renzeflooding is bad, mmmkay?
04:02.28troyit's gotta melt gradually - near zero
04:02.54troyanyway, gotta go shower and sleep, so I'm awake for fourier analysis tomorrow morning :P
04:02.55Renzemake thousands of snowmen
04:02.59troycheers
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04:06.18canllaithRenze: been out in the sunshine today?
04:06.32canllaithin wellington, it seems unnatural.
04:06.32Renzenope... not a fan of the UV rays
04:06.46RenzeI got sunburnt trying to find a Wii in December
04:06.51canllaithI don't blame you. I'm way too pale to be wandering around in the sun. I only went to get some gelato :(
04:07.43Renzejust been indoors playing Wii Sports and working up a sweat
04:07.48canllaith:)
04:08.17canllaithI'm sort of supposed to be at work, but there really isn't anything to do.
04:08.25stdinHi, I'm running Konversation from SVN on Kubuntu 7.04, in the changelog it says "The automatic remember line will now also be inserted when the window has lost focus.", but it isn't happening, any ideas?
04:08.53canllaithDoes this require an option to be enabled first? Sho_ can certainly tell you
04:09.35stdini didn't see anything in ./configure --help about it
04:09.55canllaithI meant an option in the configuration dialogue for the application
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04:10.33stdinahh, I've looked there too. can't see it
04:11.08canllaithI'm afraid I don't have svn konversation so I can't look. I'd suggest popping back in sometime Sho_ is around, he'll know.
04:11.42stdinshame, I really want that feature :P
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04:12.22stdindo you think I should ask in #kde-devel , or is it a waste of time?
04:12.57canllaithHe's probably the only one who can answer it, so you may as well wait for him =)
04:13.02stdinahh ok, will do
04:13.07stdinthanks :)
04:14.08Renzeit's yours now... I'll make a new one ;)
04:14.31stdinheh
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04:21.06stonedhey
04:21.09stonedyou gotta see this
04:21.24stonedhttp://www.tessource.net/files/image.php?id=2313
04:21.54Renzestoned: um, why?
04:22.01stonedits funny
04:22.08Renzeno, it's pointless
04:22.17stonedhow?
04:22.19Renzeit's probably only funny when you're stoned
04:22.26Dr_willisLike a Broken Pencil.
04:22.26stoneddid you even see it?
04:22.29Dr_willis:)
04:22.36Renzea badly rendered image of chuck norris?
04:22.40stonedno
04:22.49Renzethat's what that link points to
04:22.52stonedits a character you can download and play in Oblivion
04:23.03stonedand chuck norris is a joke
04:23.11stonedso umm.. its pretty funny
04:23.16Renzeand that's funny why?
04:23.18Dr_willisOblivion is a joke. :)
04:24.14Dr_willisamazing graphics in a game.. and EVERY NPC or customized character looks like they were beat with a ugly stick... twice...
04:24.20stoneddude, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you why its funny.  If you don't find it funny then you don't find it funny.  What the fsck do you want me to say?
04:24.26Dr_willisbut boy the flowers/grass looks pirty.
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04:35.30Jucatostdin: you can ask in #konversation and I think that's the proper place than #kde-devel
04:37.29stdinook, didn't know about that channel, then again I didn't search for it, thanks Jucato
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05:20.29oneforallhey with kword etc how would you write 4+(+4-2) with the power of 3 here
05:22.01Renze4+(+4-2)³ ?
05:22.46Jucatosuperscript
05:23.07Dr_willis(+4-2) ?
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05:23.32Jucato=12?
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05:26.10Dr_willis++good ++ungood
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05:29.14oneforallyeah like that 3 there
05:30.19Renzeoneforall: I just type compose ^ 3
05:30.32Renzeor use the formula editor :D
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05:30.50oneforall^3
05:30.58Renzecompose ^ 3
05:31.01oneforallneed it in kword
05:31.03Renzecompose is a key
05:31.11oneforallwhats key :D
05:31.15oneforallwhat*
05:31.16Renzekword can embed stuff from kformula
05:31.20Renzecompose
05:31.54Renzeit's for typing special characters... like compose Y = makes ¥
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05:33.02oneforallwhats key is compose?
05:33.17Renzeoneforall: whatever key you set in kcontrol
05:33.39stdinoneforall: usually AltGr
05:33.45Renzekcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard layout, xkb options page
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05:34.09stdinħełłø :)
05:34.49Renzescheiße!
05:35.28Renzedéjà vu
05:36.33Renzefaçade
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05:38.01RenzeNestlé — damnit, now I'm craving chocolate
05:38.26oneforallok if I go into this kformula and make ()3 but the rigght 3 I do what then to put that to a key ?
05:38.36Renzeum, what?
05:38.56oneforallkword can embed stuff from kformula
05:38.57canllaithargh, I don't think this font has all those glyphs :)
05:39.33stdinJucato: you're on k/ubuntu right?
05:39.44oneforallso if i have the brakets with power of 3 5 etc how do I embed that so I can just hit a key and it adds it
05:39.48Jucatostdin: hybrid
05:40.08Renzeoneforall: sorry, you're not making any sense to me... maybe it's just too hot here ;)
05:40.15stdinJucato: I think you cat set the compose key with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup "
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05:40.41Jucatostdin: I was able to do it last night... suddenly after a restart I can't :)
05:40.52oneforallwell you said you can embed stuff using that kformula
05:41.13stdinJucato: sometimes I have to do it at the console every time I login
05:41.27oneforallI opened that up and used that x(3 at the top right of it)  
05:41.28Renzeoneforall: yes, you can embed kformula stuff into a kword document just like you can embed a kspread spreadsheet... but I have no idea what you're talking about pressing keys and stuff
05:41.37oneforallso how do I embed that to kword
05:41.51Renzeyou do that from *in* kword
05:42.15oneforallRenze me and office apps are not a match:D
05:42.19Renzeoneforall: Insert -> Formula
05:42.25oneforallclueless here
05:43.50Renzeoneforall: your problem lies in thinking that it is difficult, and therefore only looking for the difficult solution and overlooking the simple one ;)
05:43.58oneforallah ok that turns the kword page into kformula
05:44.31oneforallthe top menu of kformula is on the bottom of kword I see . kewl thanks
05:44.44Renzeno problem
05:45.01Renzeclick outside the frame to go back to kword mode when you're done
05:45.24Renzethe kformula frame, that is... where the formula is
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05:45.39oneforallhow do you make a divide sign ?
05:45.48Renze÷ ?
05:46.16Renzecompose - :
05:46.23Renze:D
05:47.01oneforallthats what it looks liek to me and not the proper text book ones lol
05:47.04oneforall-:
05:47.11Renzeyou forgot the compose key
05:47.32oneforallyeah I still can't get how to do thios compose key
05:48.00Renze×_×
05:50.22Renzedo you mean the ./¯¯ thing?
05:50.39oneforallcheck key Compose key postion and thats it ?
05:51.05Renzeand choose which key you want to be compose... I use caps lock, since that key is pretty much useless to me
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05:51.59SAS_Spidey01Any one know of any laws aganst recording Radio for personal usage ? lol
05:52.14RenzeSAS_Spidey01: I think that varies from country to country
05:52.20SAS_Spidey01bah
05:52.24RenzeI believe it is still illegal in NZ
05:52.51Renzebut then I haven't listened to the radio in years...
05:53.15Renzeif I want to be assaulted by advertising, I'll publish my email address on insecure websites :D
05:53.26SAS_Spidey01hehehe, good point
05:53.47oneforallhmm so when I check that then I click on the key and then apply ?
05:53.54Renzeoneforall: yes
05:56.48Jucatois basket in KDE SVN?
05:57.16oneforallHM i TRY PRESSING CAP LOCK THEN TYPE -: AND IT STILL JUST LOOKS LIKE THAT -:
05:57.26oneforallerr
05:57.29Renzeyou chose caps lock as your key?
05:57.44oneforallyeah since I never use it :D
05:57.49Renzeno need to hold it down... just tap it like a normal key
05:58.16oneforallyup and it lightsup like nomal
05:58.20Renzeweird
05:58.24Renzeworks like a charm here
05:58.33oneforallso that means its not working I bet
05:58.40Renzeyup
05:58.59oneforallit shouldn't have the cap lock light turn on any more
05:59.09Renzeyeah, that light should stay off
06:00.26oneforallhey wait there is 2 places for this  Key Compose key position at the top of Xkb Option then farther down its there with 3 option too
06:01.25oneforallwhen I pick that top one the command line doesn't let me enter nothing
06:01.41Renzeuse the lower one... the top one is a glitch
06:02.31oneforallhm that one is for right ctrl etc
06:02.41oneforall4 options
06:02.46Renzeit doesn't offer caps lock as an option?
06:02.54Renzeguess your keyboard model doesn't allow it
06:03.02oneforallright control menu right alt and
06:03.09oneforallnope
06:03.28oneforallwin key thuo
06:03.41Renzechoose one
06:03.42oneforallwin key work with anything else default?
06:03.59Renzeit's a modifier by default... and the other one still will be
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06:04.45oneforallah yea its using the right key kewl that work thanks
06:04.52Renzeno problem
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06:12.36SAS_Spidey01When ever I try to use the Winkey for a modifer, my system just opens the K-Menu +S
06:13.04RenzeSAS_Spidey01: your system is messed up, dude
06:14.04SAS_Spidey01yeah, what ever they do in control center aside, theres a script in ~/.kde/env that runs xmodmap -e 'keycode 115=Menu' whether it should or not
06:14.35RenzeSAS_Spidey01: ah, so it's your fault then :D
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06:15.31SAS_Spidey01No, all I put in there was a script to run xmodmap ~/.diecapslockdie :-)
06:15.55Renzeyou mean your distro puts stuff in your home dir without your permission?!?
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06:17.54SAS_Spidey01They just set the left winkey to 'Menu' so the 'Menu' shortcut works
06:18.11Renzesilliness
06:18.20RenzeI prefer my win keys as modifiers
06:18.25SAS_Spidey01yea, they didn't even do it for the right win-key
06:18.30RenzeI use Win+Menu for the kmenu
06:19.18SAS_Spidey01I used to use cntl+esc for the start menu, until they implemented this I used to just click the K-Menu applet hehe
06:19.43SAS_Spidey01its helpful as long as I don't use my alt key for a 'meta' key
06:19.55niko_I would like to develop on kdelibs (stable). Currenlty i have Debian (unstable) binary packages installed. How do I easiest build and run kdelibs to test my changes?
06:23.14niko_i guess i should better ask in kde-devel...
06:24.57SAS_Spidey01I'm off, work in the morning
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06:35.01LiquidNerd__dinner?
06:35.08qupadain a parallel universe, renze doesn't ponder dinner...
06:35.08LiquidNerd__where do you live?
06:35.32LiquidNerd__dinner ponders renze...
06:35.51qupadano, that's the "in soviet russia" joke, and i've used that one already, was trying not to repeat it
06:37.14qupadafor the record, Renze and I live in New Zealand, where it's 7:35pm
06:43.20LiquidNerd__ahhh
06:43.24LiquidNerd__that explains a lot
06:43.36LiquidNerd__Up here in Canada it's 1:44 AM
06:43.52LiquidNerd__eh
06:44.32qupadaso you're in eastern time
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06:45.14LiquidNerd__yup
06:47.28Renzein soviet russia, soviet russia joke tells you!
06:48.38qupadayeah, no doubt.  high humidity and no wind
06:48.58Renzeall the doors and windows open in the flat... fan on...
06:49.53qupadaheh, i'm glad i'm not where my sister is in canada though.  it's -18C and dropping, Mountain time so 11:50pm at the moment
06:50.39Renzethat's kinda cold, eh? like, it might freeze your hoser off, eh?
06:51.38Renzeman it's hard doing a mock canadian accent online ;)
06:51.40qupadacold enough to freeze the nuts off a brass monkey
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07:04.10LiquidNerd__and I would know! my brss monkey's nuts just froze off!
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07:23.07Renzegood evening, Mr. Lund (mock Bond villain voice)
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07:36.14srednaHi Renze :)
07:36.37sredna& thiago
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07:37.42canllaithoof. Too much food.
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07:49.26DefiantRican2875Hello all. can some someone please help me enable 3d effects?
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08:23.07Joseph_KCan someone answer an extremely noob question about Kdevelop for me, please?
08:23.44annmajust ask
08:23.46Joseph_KI simply can't figure out where to put extra libraries that I want my C application linked with (ie: GSL).
08:23.56Joseph_KIe: Where to configure the project.
08:24.00annmausing automake?
08:24.02Joseph_Kyeah
08:24.28annmaso add the libs via automake manager
08:24.33Joseph_Koh...
08:25.20Joseph_KThank you so much, annma.  :)
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08:26.14annmahttp://www.kdevelop.org/mediawiki/index.php/FAQ#How_to_link_against_a_.so_library.3F
08:26.24annmaJoseph_K: ^^
08:26.29Joseph_KThanks.
08:26.34annmaand all the FAQ might help
08:26.44annmayou're welcome
08:28.55Joseph_KHurrah, it linked!
08:29.21annma:)
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08:29.29Joseph_KTook me a moment to add the extra -lcblas, -lblas...
08:29.48Joseph_KNow let's see if it crashes.  :)
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08:42.43canllaithhalt
08:42.44canllaithoops
08:43.10Jucatoheh:)
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08:45.59Jucatoomg! annma_ clones! :)
08:46.12annma_ISP
08:46.19Jucatooh...
08:46.24Jucatokill it?
08:46.43annma_i always forget how
08:47.04Jucato<PROTECTED>
08:47.24DefiantRican2875Does anyone here have experience with 3ddesktop
08:48.01JucatoDefiantRican2875: what about it? I'm presuming you're not talking about beryl/compiz right?
08:48.23DefiantRican2875jucato  i am trying to install 3ddesktop and I keep getting an error
08:48.44JucatoDefiantRican2875: installation error? or runtime error?
08:48.51annmathanks Jucato
08:48.54DefiantRican2875installation error jucato
08:49.09Jucatoannma: no problem. you helped me more than I can every repay :)
08:49.20JucatoDefiantRican2875: what's the error? it might be distro specific, btw
08:49.44DefiantRican2875jucato: this is the error:
08:49.45DefiantRican2875checking for XF86VidModeSetViewPort in -lXxf86vm... no
08:49.45DefiantRican2875configure: error: libXxf86vm is needed to compile 3ddesktop
08:50.07annmaDefiantRican2875: so ask your distro where to find  libXxf86vm
08:50.18annmathis message is pretty clear
08:50.20DefiantRican2875it is there that is the thing
08:50.33annmawhy do you compile?
08:50.43annmaand what distro are you on?
08:50.58DefiantRican2875i am on FC6 and I was just following the instructions
08:51.12annmawhat instructions?
08:51.17annmacan you paste the link?
08:51.33DefiantRican2875it is from the read me file
08:51.45DefiantRican2875all it says is ./configure  then make  then make install
08:51.46JucatoFC doesn't have a binary package for 3ddesktop?
08:51.55DefiantRican2875No,
08:52.01Jucato(strange...)
08:52.05annmawhat app do you compile?
08:52.07DefiantRican2875unless I am missing it somewhere
08:52.13annmaberyl? compiz?
08:52.16Jucatoannma: 3ddesktop
08:52.21annmayou are probably missing it
08:52.32Jucatohttp://desk3d.sourceforge.net/
08:52.32DefiantRican2875I have been trying for 3 weeks
08:52.33annmaask in #fedora
08:52.40DefiantRican2875I am and they do not know either
08:52.43Jucatoa very *old* but pretty app...
08:52.56annmaDefiantRican2875: ./configure --help
08:53.02DefiantRican2875if there is one better for KDE that you know of Please tell me
08:53.09Jucatoalso ask them what package installs the headers for libXxf86vm
08:53.12annmadoesn't it has a prefix to find the lib?
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08:53.30Jucatoit's not a KDE app nor is the missing package a KDE lib
08:53.52DefiantRican2875Oh I know, I meant if you know of a better 3d program that works great
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08:54.50JucatoKDE (nor GNOME) itself doesn't have a 3D Desktop program. all of those are done by other projects like Compiz or Beryl
08:55.05Jucato(that will probably change in KDE 4, though)
08:55.16DefiantRican2875so Compiz is a 3d program?
08:55.24DefiantRican2875this is what I am trying to do: http://linuxreviews.org/features/3ddesktop/
08:55.51JucatoCompiz and Beryl are compositing Window Managers (lik KWin of KDE and Metacity of GNOME)
08:56.00Jucatooh that is defnitely Compiz or Beryl
08:56.05Jucatonot the 3ddesktop app
08:56.15Jucatooh wait
08:56.22Jucatolol it's 3ddesktop :)
08:56.39Jucato(why FC doesn't have this packaged... beats me...)
08:56.49DefiantRican2875what about this Compiz
08:56.53DefiantRican2875will that do the same thing/
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08:57.16annmaberyl is better and will enable 3D
08:57.30Jucatoberyl will do more... and is (a bit) more difficulty :)
08:57.30annmaI saw a demo of it recently and it was amazing
08:57.47annmahowever my X is not well configured
08:57.54Jucatoright now, it's a hit or miss kind of thing... some are successful in setting it up, some are not
08:58.01DefiantRican2875can you guys help me install one of those things?
08:58.12annmaso I have to fix it before enabling it but my distro has it ready with compiz
08:58.17Jucatounfortunately, you'd have to go to #beryl or #compiz (if there's one)
08:58.21annmaDefiantRican2875: no, it's a distro thing
08:58.24DefiantRican2875oh
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08:58.26annmaDefiantRican2875: not a KDE one
08:58.37annmamandriva has it out of the box
08:58.38Jucatobecause neither of them are officially part of KDE nor are KDE apps/projects...
08:58.50JucatoSUSE has Compize ootb, iirc
08:58.52DefiantRican2875ok, Gotcha. Thanks for your help
08:59.07Jucatowb Renze
09:00.04Renzeand now I'm craving ice cream, damnit
09:00.11Jucatohm.. annma, is it ok to try to build something like kdenetwork or kdemultimedia while koffice is still building?
09:00.18annmayes
09:00.26Jucatooooh thanks :)
09:00.27Renzeit'll just be very very slow :D
09:00.30Jucatomaximizing my time
09:00.42annmaas long as kdelibs is installed and as long as you don't depend to an unbuilt module
09:00.52annmaRenze: depends of the processor
09:01.01annmaif you have a Core Duo you might be OK
09:01.03Renzeannma: Jucato's processor :D
09:01.10Jucatook fine!
09:01.16JucatoI only have 1.5Ghz... :P
09:01.20annmaJucato has time
09:01.22Renzeso do I
09:01.31RenzeAthlon XP 1800+
09:01.34Jucatoyeah I have time... I'll be afk for a bout 30 minutes or so...
09:01.35Renze1.5GHz
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09:09.36canllaithExcellent, I didn't forget to plug in anything important swapping powersupplies.
09:10.40jordo23konqueror handles mozilla plugins right?
09:10.41Jucato:O
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09:10.56Jucatojordo23: plugins yes.
09:11.02Renzejordo23: netscape plugins, yes
09:11.04Jucato(they're actually netscape plugins, but yeah...)
09:11.40canllaithIt made no sense the other way around.
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09:12.16canllaithGiven the 'server' is a celeron who hosts about 2 blogs and pop3.
09:12.17jordo23I have gnash working on 64 bit firefox but can get it to work in Konq....any ideas?
09:12.45Jucatohehe :)
09:13.08jordo2364 bit konq...
09:13.24canllaithYou can apparently do it with 32 bit flash plugin if you compile nspluginwrapper the right way
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09:14.23canllaiththere are no packages for the konqueror gnash plugin that can be used?
09:14.38jordo23canllaith: tried that.....failed
09:15.26jordo23If I do About:plugins in Konq it states there are three flash plugins installed.....I only see one in the plugin settings menu though...
09:16.33canllaithI'm afraid I'm no use, I've never used a 64bit distro.
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09:22.05AMorozovHi!
09:22.27AMorozovI have a question regarding kpdf and font rendering.
09:23.15logixouljordo23: configure konqueror->plugins->scan->scan for new plugins
09:23.36AMorozovI have a pdf which uses arial bold font (a corresponding font from Microsoft Web Pack is used) and I can't get antialiasing in it.
09:24.03jordo23logixoul: That was like four hours ago.....I know how to tell Konq to find plugins, I just need it to work with gnash's .so file
09:24.12logixoulok
09:24.25AMorozovThe font itself (in the interface etc) is rendered correctly, evince also handles this PDF correctly, but not kpdf.
09:25.40AMorozovHow can I configure kpdf or maybe do smth else to solve the problem?
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09:28.57Moosejawhey all
09:29.41Moosejawi just tried to install kubuntu and now when i login i get a kdestartupconfig error
09:29.50Moosejawcan someone help me fix this?
09:29.55jordo23does ANYONE know why if I have gnash working in 64 bit FF in KDE (Ubuntu 64) why it would not work in Konq if it sees it?
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09:32.44logixouljordo23: it may be crashing, due to the different ns plugin wrapper code
09:33.07logixoulMoosejaw: what's the exact error message?
09:33.40AMorozovAnybody?
09:34.18jordo23logixoul: I am not using nspluginwrapper....just libgnashplugin.so....is working in firefox too
09:34.56Moosejawkogix that is it
09:35.03AMorozovbye
09:35.05Moosejawlogixoul thats it...
09:35.05logixoulAMorozov: a bad workaround might be to remove the font from your system so another font (possibly an antialiasable one) gets used
09:35.25AMorozovlogixoul: but the font itself is Ok.
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09:35.42AMorozovlogixoul: probably it's a kpdf/xpdf problem.
09:35.45Moosejawcould not load kdestartupconfig
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09:36.03logixoulAMorozov: yep, i get it, but i don't know what causes the misrendering. you might wanna file a bug against kpdf.
09:36.27Moosejawwhen i looked at the errors in detail it seemed that kde did not have permission to write/make the appropriate directories
09:36.31AMorozovlogixoul: Ok, probably you're right. Thank you.
09:36.38AMorozovbye
09:36.40logixoulbye
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09:37.42jordo23I just don't get it......libgnashplugin.so works fine in Firefox.....but not Konq....
09:38.20jordo23Also, when going about:plugins there are three entries for Shockwave flash player in Konq....I think that's wierd because only one plugin shows up in plugin settings...
09:38.42logixoulso gnash isn't in about:plugins?
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09:43.40Moosejawlogixoul no idea on how to help me fix my kde issue?
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09:44.45logixoulMoosejaw: mv ~/.kde kde~
09:44.56logixoulMoosejaw: then try again
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09:55.00jordo23logixoul: it is.....but I can't get it to start a movie nor do I see a right click menu for gnash..
09:55.14logixoulok
09:56.13logixoulyou did install gnash-konqueror-plugin, right?
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09:56.32jordo23logixoul: yes
09:56.58jordo23logixoul: and like I said it works fine in 64 bit FF......and konq sees it.....just doesn't want to use it...
09:57.23logixoulcan't help you.
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09:57.42jordo23logixoul: thanks though...
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10:08.40jordo23whats the best kde program for mounting iso images (like daemon tools in windoze)
10:08.43jordo23?
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10:12.07qupadamount -o loop -t iso9660 ~/some_file.iso /some/folder
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10:38.20Jucatoexcuse me... I'm compiling some KDE modules from SVN (koffice and kdenetwork right now), and I'm encountering this error: "undefined reference to `QGLWidget::QGLWidget(QWidget*, char const*, QGLWidget const *, unsigned int)'"
10:38.25Jucatowhat am I missing?
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10:45.58rdaleis your version of Qt built with opengl support?
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10:47.32Jucatordale: I followed this guide, during the ./configure process, there was no option for opengl, so I'm presuming it was built with opengl support
10:47.34Jucatohttp://quality.kde.org/develop/cvsguide/buildstep.php
10:49.09JucatoI ran: ./configure -system-zlib -qt-gif -system-libpng -system-libjpeg -plugin-imgfmt-mng -thread -no-stl -debug -no-xinerama -no-g++-exceptions -fast
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10:52.05rdaledid it build and link the opengl examples then?
10:53.16Jucatohow do I check? (mid-level noob... :( )
10:55.00rdalethey're in qt-copy/examples/opengl
10:55.45Jucatothe examples are in there. do I need to compile one of them to check?
10:56.16rdalemaybe your qt is built with opengl, but the kdelibs build isn't correctly adding the library in the Makefiles
10:56.41Jucatooh... :(
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10:57.22rdalewell see if you can build and run a qt opengl example anyway to confirm it isn't a qt thing
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10:58.03Jucatohm.. ok
10:59.30rdalethe kde configure is supposed to look for opengl support on your machine and do the right thing according to whether is finds any or not
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11:00.37Jucatoit didn't complain about any opengl problems earlier when I was building kdelibs and kdebase...
11:01.46canllaithJucato: wasn't it you who said that you compiled your KDE yourself?
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11:02.03Jucatocanllaith: but that was on a different user on a working Kubuntu system
11:02.07Jucatothis one is from scratch...
11:02.53canllaithWhat distribution? I've generally found if I follow the instructions that come with qt-copy everything is fine.
11:02.59vltHello. CSS "overflow:hidden;" doesn't seem to work for td elements in Konqueror. Can anyone confirm this? Is there a known workaround?
11:03.36Jucatocanllaith: Kubuntu. basically, I installed a minimal (command line) system and started building from that
11:04.23canllaithMay I ask why? Surely it's easier to start from a system that has X11
11:05.44Jucatocanllaith: for learning mostly... and for being able to make/test patches... but I installed X from Kubuntu's repositories too
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11:05.55Jucatovlt: maybe in #khtml?
11:06.14vltJucato: Thanks, I'll try ...
11:06.32canllaithHave you tried using apt-get build-dep to make sure you have all the dependancies for qt and kdelibs? (sans arts, since you'll build that too I guess)
11:07.19JucatoI tried that... I'll try again...
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11:18.00Jucatois there a way to check which options where set when Qt was built? :(
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11:22.05JucatoI'll take this up again later... dinner first :(
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11:47.58joheyHi!
11:48.01joheyIs there any way to force the screen to rotate by 90 degrees in KDE, even if the monitor does not have a pivot feature?
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11:49.21joheyOr in Xorg maybe. It doesn't matter if I have to restart X to apply the settings. I want to use that setting permanently anyway.
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11:51.07whirmjohey: it's a graphics drivers issue
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11:51.39joheywhirm: Oh. How bad. =\
11:52.06whirmjohey: if you have a nvidia card look at nvidia-xconfig --rotate parm
11:52.21joheywhirm: Are you sure it cannot be hacked by Xorg or KDE?
11:52.25whirmbut in my gf 6600 doesn't work
11:53.06whirmjohey: i'm not sure, but I don't think so
11:53.08whirmanyway
11:53.20joheywhirm: Well, I do have some old nVidia card in one box, but my main machine have a VIA Unichrome thingy. I really doubt they have implemented support for such things.
11:53.36whirmtry with xrandr and/or nvidia-xconfig
11:54.48joheyHm. xrandr looks interesting. Thanks!
11:55.02whirmjohey: glad to help you!
11:57.42joheywhirm: Hmm. With other -o (orientation) values than normal, I get some nasty error messages. Is that the response of my video driver?
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12:11.08un_operateurhi guys, I've been trying to help jordo23 get konqueror running from within a 32 bit chroot (he's running 64 bit ubuntu) .. the chroot has been setup fine and apps like firefox work from within it .. konqueror fails however with an error message about dcopserver already running as shown here - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/856648 .. is there something to be done to get KDE applications running well in a chroot?
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12:16.17paineshi
12:16.34Jucatoanyone know how I can explicitly link to libGL in Qt? (for KDE)
12:17.30painesJucato, just append /usr/lib/libGL.so.whatever to you link command, or am i missing something
12:17.53Jucatohm...
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12:18.03Jucatothis is for building KDE :)
12:18.50annmayou need to have mesa devel
12:18.51thiagoJucato: if you're using GL methods directly, you link to libGL directly
12:18.53annmaand glut
12:18.57thiagoif you're using Qt's GL methods, don't link directly
12:19.33Jucatooh goodie you're both here :)
12:20.04Jucatobasically, anything I build that sort of needs opengl gets this error message: undefined reference to `typeinfo for QGLWidget
12:20.15Jucatoso I somehow can't build koffice and kdenetwork
12:20.32Jucato(althoug kdelibs, kdebase, kdepim, and extragears-network built fine)
12:20.35thiagoundefined typeinfo?
12:20.37thiagohmmm
12:20.49thiagoare you using QGLWidget in your code?
12:20.51annmano
12:21.06Jucatoheh I guess I really went to far... :P
12:21.07annmaJucato: I bet you installed opengl AFTER compiling qt
12:21.20annmayou need to recompile qt
12:21.38Jucatohm...
12:21.43annmado you have all GL related devel packages?
12:21.57Jucato./configure -system-zlib -qt-gif -system-libpng -system-libjpeg -plugin-imgfmt-mng -thread -no-stl -debug -no-xinerama -no-g++-exceptions -fast
12:21.57annmaI had that error once
12:22.06annmaah
12:22.07Jucatoyes I think so. I have mesa, I'll check glut
12:22.12annmaDEVEL
12:22.23annmamesa-devel   glut-devel
12:22.43annmayou miss --dlopen
12:22.52annmalet me look
12:23.03Jucatohn.. looks like I don't have libglut3-dev
12:23.06paineswhats wrong when no window pops' up if i plug in an usb thumb stick, or ipod, but when I put a cd in, everything it does ?
12:23.20Jucatoyeah I was also wondering about the -dlopen option...
12:24.33Jucatopaines: maybe KDE was configured not to show the pop up window? KControl -> Peripherals -> Storage Media contains some of the actions that would happen
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12:25.35Jucatoannma: if I recompile Qt, do I need to recompile everything else?
12:25.40thiagono
12:25.42thiagojust Qt
12:25.53painesJucato, i checked that. looks good
12:25.56annmaJucato: wait, I'll look in ;y command
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12:26.11Jucatothiago: ah thanks. that's a relief eheeheh :)
12:26.23Jucatoannma: I got that command from http://quality.kde.org/develop/cvsguide/buildstep.php#step4
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12:27.06annma-dlopen-opengl
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12:27.19annmaJucato: you should not use that tutorial, it's so very old
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12:27.27annmayou miss the flag above
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12:27.38Jucatohm...
12:28.01Jucatoannma: you know what's funny...
12:28.31Jucatoin the section for "Automatic build process" (using kdesvn-build I think)
12:28.49Jucatoconfigure-flags -system-zlib -qt-gif -system-libpng -thread -no-exceptions -debug -fast -dlopen-opengl
12:29.35Jucatoand I also have to still install the GLUT devel packages right?
12:29.59annmayes, before compiling qt
12:30.14Jucatook thank you! :)
12:30.34Jucatosucks that I have to be on a different timezone from the three of you.. (annma, thiago, Sho_...)
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12:35.56pbnHello, I am trying to report a bug in bugs.kde.org, using the KDE Bug Report Wizard, but I cannot find the kde application in the list... can somebody help me ?
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12:36.36annmapbn: yes, what app?
12:36.44pbnannma: kvpnc
12:36.57annmais it in kde svn repository?
12:37.07pbnannma: I don't know
12:37.16annmawhere didyou get it?
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12:37.31annmathe Help menu should have the bug report action
12:37.45Jucatoseems to be in Trunk
12:38.03Jucatohttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/kvpnc/
12:38.08annmahttp://home.gna.org/kvpnc/en/index.html
12:38.10pbnwait, restarting vmware
12:38.17annmakdereview, it's not operational
12:38.24Jucatooh :)
12:38.43pbnok
12:38.59pbnannma: I've gotten it from the ubuntu universe repository, Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS
12:39.10annmapbn: does it has a Help menu?
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12:39.30pbnpbn: I've already created an Ubuntu bug report: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvpnc/+bug/77950
12:39.35Jucatoin the Help menu, there's a Report Bug... option
12:39.38pbnannma: ah, help menu... gotta look
12:40.33pbnannma: aahh indeed :)
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12:41.00pbnbut wait, this ubuntu machine is behind a corporate firewall... smtp won't go through it :(
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12:43.38pbnhello ?
12:43.47annmayes?
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12:43.54pbnwill this bugreport tool be able to use HTTP_PROXY ?
12:44.01pbnBecause this machine is behind a corporate firewall
12:44.13pbnsmtp will never get out of the local network
12:44.34mrwoodyhi *. I forgot the name of the command to give to update the system once I manually edited file like those in $HOME/.kde/share/services/searchproviders ... does anyone know?
12:44.36annmano idea
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12:44.49Jucatokbuildsycoca?
12:45.03pbnannma: wait I see the to: field, it's crissi99@gmx.de ... that must be the developer :)
12:45.16pbnPerhaps do you people know him :)
12:45.27mrwoodyJucato:  THANKS!
12:45.44pbnlots of kde developers from Germany by the way :)... Perhaps that's why there is de in KDE :)
12:46.56Jucato:O
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12:49.00annmaK-de lol
12:49.14Jucatoyou're ok with that annma? ;)
12:49.24annmawell yes
12:49.30pablo_hi, i can not even change the hour, it is giving me a su problem something related to kdesu
12:49.36annmamy maiden name is German
12:49.50annmapablo_: what problem?
12:49.52Jucatoannma: ooooh didn't know that :)
12:49.58Tm_THi annma &co
12:50.07JucatoTm_T: hi sir!
12:50.17Tm_T&kids
12:50.19Tm_T;)
12:50.24pablo_annma: dont know kdesu semms not to work
12:50.25annmahi Tm_T
12:50.31annmapablo_: distro?
12:50.32Jucatopablo_: what distro?
12:50.43annmapablo_: what if you type 'su' in konsole?
12:51.07pablo_annma: in that way is ok
12:51.11pablo_Jucato: knopppix
12:51.26Jucatohm...
12:51.36annmaknoppix has a thing about root
12:51.40annmaread the doc
12:51.48pablo_annma: which doc?
12:51.54annmait's normal in knoppix pablo_
12:51.58pablo_annma: it is installed on the hd
12:51.58annmain knoppix
12:52.10pablo_annma: it should work normaly
12:52.19pablo_annma: as live cd it worked ok
12:52.24annmawell i have a knoppix dvd and kdesu does not work o it and I read a doc explainin it
12:52.30annmano it should not
12:52.36annmanot the recent one
12:52.39Jucatopablo_: then maybe you could ask in #knoppix about it?
12:52.46annmayes, ask in #knoppix
12:52.56pablo_i have already asked
12:53.02pablo_seem all sleeping
12:53.02annmaI am sure that my knoppix version has no root
12:53.15pablo_annma: what did you read?
12:53.29annmasome README in the DVD
12:53.46annmaI look for doc when I am puzzled usually
12:54.17un_operateurhi guys, I've been trying to get konqueror running from within a 32 bit chroot (running 64 bit ubuntu) .. the chroot has been setup fine and non-kde apps like firefox work from within it .. konqueror fails however with an error message about dcopserver already running as shown here - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/856648 .. is there something to be done to get KDE applications running well in a chroot?
12:55.54KRFun_operateur, run kdeinit in the chroot? :/
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13:01.41un_operateurKRF, hmm, nope .. but should it matter because if the user is in a KDE session outside the chroot, kdeinit has already been run, right?
13:01.48un_operateurKRF, will give it a try anyway
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13:03.28un_operateurKRF, n/m .. it works now, apparently /var/tmp/kde* needed to be mounted into the chroot too .. and it works after that was done
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13:06.53Jucatoannma: qt finished building again, I'm make'ing koffice... hope this works... :(
13:07.26Jucatoand thank you :)
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13:11.33MetaMorfoziSis there a kood howto for compiling kde on kubuntu?
13:12.05MetaMorfoziSi wanna try that out
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13:13.06annmawhat kde?
13:13.28MetaMorfoziSlatest?
13:13.30MetaMorfoziS:)
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13:15.27annmadefine latest?
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13:20.22MetaMorfoziSannma: go and fsck somebody else.
13:20.35Tm_T...
13:20.53MetaMorfoziSand thanx for helping. You very helpful.
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13:21.38Tm_TYup, no use to try to help with that attitude.
13:22.13Tm_TAtleast annma tried, but oh... /me goes polish his crystal ball
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13:22.42MetaMorfoziSi'm only asked for a good howto, this is a difficult question?
13:23.00rdalebut for kde 4.x or kde 3.x?
13:23.02Jucatoyou're question is difficult to answer because it is vague, hence the "define latest"
13:23.23MetaMorfoziShm, oh sorry, so 3.5.5
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13:23.58MetaMorfoziSi'm not understanded first what he/she wants, but if he asks something like rdale, thats more helpful...
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13:24.01Jucatohttp://quality.kde.org/develop/cvsguide/buildstep.php <-- skip the part about building Qt
13:24.21Jucatoshe asked you plainly, "define latest".
13:24.50MetaMorfoziSokay. I'm missunderstanded. sorry from all.
13:25.04Tm_TAlso did you mean latest stable or latest svn or ... ;) ;)
13:25.13MetaMorfoziSokayokayokay;(
13:25.16tuxicklatest on debian stable!
13:25.27MetaMorfoziSthanx Jucato
13:25.46Tm_Ttuxick: Hrrr.
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13:27.19phrearch_hello
13:27.41phrearch_i would like to burn video dvd's with k3b, but they wont read in any standalone player
13:28.00phrearch_is there some kind of fix for this?
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13:30.01grepperphrearch_: dunno about k3b, I just use growisofs directly
13:31.38phrearch_k3b is just a frontend for growisofs ?
13:31.55phrearch_the dvd plays fine on the computer, but it wont on a standalone player
13:32.26annmahmm
13:32.33annmawhat was that about MetaMorfoziS ???
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13:32.54annmayou're rude
13:33.10Tm_TMaybe just tired, so forgive.
13:33.18Jucatoannma: someone who doesn't understand the "nuances" of the English language, I think
13:33.33Jucato(judging from his grammar, it's not his native tongue...)
13:33.36annmawell I hope he does not install trunk
13:33.51Tm_T=)
13:34.00annmabecause he is running into trouble
13:34.01MetaMorfoziS:/
13:34.07Tm_Tannma: Or you hope he does, as punishment. ;)
13:34.11annmawell at least you are warned MetaMorfoziS
13:34.26JucatoMetaMorfoziS: just so you'd know, if you try to compile, you're in for a lot of headaches
13:34.37Jucatonot to mention you need lots of time and space
13:34.37MetaMorfoziSJucato: yes, this isn'T my default languaage;)
13:34.46The_Ballwas there  a "scan for new programs" in kmenueditor before?
13:34.51MetaMorfoziSJucato: yes, I'm checked the howto, and I'm moved this project to weekend;)
13:34.57annmathis isn't mine either not is it th eone for ;ost people here
13:34.59grepperphrearch_: dunno: if you want try:   growisofs  -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video DVD_DIR/
13:35.02JucatoThe_Ball: kappfinder
13:35.07annmawe are not rude however
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13:35.08The_BallJucato, thanks!
13:35.42MetaMorfoziSyes, in opposite of me...:/
13:36.37annmadid I hear your apologies?
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13:37.27MetaMorfoziSyes, but you not understand my poor english's "nuance"s:D
13:37.41annmamy english also is por
13:37.45annmase
13:37.48Tm_Tpor favor. ;)
13:37.52annmasee cannot even type it
13:37.56MetaMorfoziSbut betther than mine;)
13:38.03MetaMorfoziSh-
13:38.06annmamy keyboard is sticky
13:38.20annmaanyway if you want to build kde 3.5.5
13:38.31MetaMorfoziSi need some machohism
13:38.33Tm_TNow hug as peace? ;)
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13:39.15annmahttp://developer.kde.org/build/stable.html
13:39.20annmahere is the link to the doc
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13:39.36annmanote you'll need lots of devel packages from your distros
13:39.38Jucatooh that link might be better
13:39.52annmaX devel, Mesa devel, glut devel, and so forth
13:40.06Jucatoannma: that guide also leaves out -dlopen-opengl
13:40.13annmaJucato: that link is supposed to be the official one
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13:40.25JucatoMetaMorfoziS: xorg-dev and kde-devel mostly
13:40.32annmaJucato: nooooooooooo
13:40.39annmant kde-devel!!!
13:40.43Jucatoer..
13:40.45Jucatosorry lol
13:40.49annmanot kde-devel
13:40.51MetaMorfoziS:)
13:40.54Jucatoyeah I forgot
13:41.10JucatoMetaMorfoziS: xorg-dev and some other stuff... just be prepared to hunt them down when needed
13:41.36Jucatoannma: sorry sorry :)
13:41.44annma;0
13:41.44MetaMorfoziSokay, okay, but as i said, i'm come back to the kde compiling project @the weekend
13:41.50MetaMorfoziSi'm too tired for this at thistime..
13:41.56JucatoMetaMorfoziS: good luck, you'll need lots of it
13:42.09Jucatoluck, time, patience, hard drive space
13:42.12annmawhat will you do with it MetaMorfoziS ?
13:42.29MetaMorfoziS?
13:42.32annmacompared to the one your distro ships?
13:42.42sampo-I heart, that KDE is going lessen KDE's configurable? Are this this true, that KDE is going to more Gnome's way?
13:42.42annmathere won't be many differences
13:42.51JucatoMetaMorfoziS: she means, why do you want to compile KDE
13:42.54annmasampo-: you heard it where?
13:42.58MetaMorfoziSoh
13:43.04sampo-Some forum
13:43.07Jucatoyea heart it where? :)
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13:43.17annmasampo-: link?
13:43.17Jucatothat some forum is *wrong*
13:43.21Jucatow-r-o-n-g
13:43.21MetaMorfoziSno, i'm just boredom, and i want to upgrade my knowledge, and test the performance differences
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13:43.42annmaMetaMorfoziS: start by compiling some kde apps on your current install
13:43.45JucatoMetaMorfoziS: hm... I suggest starting small... how are you at compiling single apps
13:43.49MetaMorfoziSthas ready
13:43.53MetaMorfoziSt
13:44.00annmaJucato: ;)
13:44.04sampo-I chekc out link for you, wait
13:44.05Jucatohehe :)
13:44.07annmawe think the same now
13:44.13MetaMorfoziS:)
13:44.14Jucatoannma: I learn from the best :)
13:44.17annmalol
13:44.21MetaMorfoziSi'm not a very newbie
13:44.25MetaMorfoziSi'm a little newbie
13:44.26MetaMorfoziS:)
13:44.32annmaok
13:44.44MetaMorfoziSi'm using kubuntu about a year, and i'm in love with kde;)
13:45.01annmasampo-: and do you think it's a good thing or a bad one?
13:45.10Jucato(except this time...)
13:45.31MetaMorfoziSJucato:yes, i think the same, i can build the 90%of that apps that i want
13:45.53MetaMorfoziSand i have my own kernel @ home
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13:46.32Jucatocompiling a kernel can be easy or hard, depending on which guide you followed...
13:46.59joheywhirm: Oh sorry. I ran out for lunch without telling you. About the xrandr error messages... Here is my output: http://pastebin.ca/313037
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13:47.05MetaMorfoziSwhere is the place where i can write some howto-s about kde, for lamers?:)
13:47.21MetaMorfoziSi have one, the full firefox integration to kde in hungarian
13:47.33MetaMorfoziSthat i created 2days ago
13:47.35JucatoMetaMorfoziS: in your own website, for starters :)
13:47.50Jucatohm...
13:48.15annmain the hu kde website
13:48.17whirmjohey: what do you get if you run xrandr w/o args?
13:48.28annmageneral KDE websites are in english
13:48.28Jucatoannma: you're in #kde-www right?
13:48.35MetaMorfoziSkde hu website is hm... :) check: http://kde.hu/
13:48.44MetaMorfoziSi think that isn't maintained about 90years
13:48.49annmaJucato: yes
13:48.54Jucatooh ok
13:49.19joheywhirm: http://pastebin.ca/313040
13:49.22MetaMorfoziSi wanted my howto to "translate" to english, thats why i asked, where i can
13:49.51annmawhen it's done just tell me MetaMorfoziS
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13:50.17sampo-annma: Link is there: http://forum.ubuntu-fi.org/index.php?topic=7577.msg54598#msg54598 But it's only in finnish language
13:50.18whirmjohey: Rotations possible - normal  <<<---- you cannot rotate screen with your drivers
13:50.33MetaMorfoziShm, ok anyways check this:  http://mindenseg.buzz.hu/files/ff_before.png and http://mindenseg.buzz.hu/files/ff_after.png this;)
13:50.35joheywhirm: :( Oki, thanks!
13:50.36annmaubuntu forum?
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13:50.47sampo-and kubuntu
13:51.02annmasampo-: who posted that then? and what does it say exactly?
13:51.02MetaMorfoziShehey, ubuntuforum, kood! i'm forget that full
13:51.25whirmjohey: no prob
13:51.38JucatoMetaMorfoziS: if you're guide is spefically oriented for Kubuntu, the Kubuntu wiki is the most appropriate place for it
13:51.50MetaMorfoziSnot for kubuntu
13:51.53MetaMorfoziSfor kde and firefox
13:52.03Jucatoannma: it looks like the Finland ubuntu forum...
13:52.07sampo-about "Changis are happed, because kde is looking forward to gnomes way, ther where gnome makes some handshake to kde"
13:52.18annmalol
13:52.27annmawho wrote that?
13:52.29JucatoMetaMorfoziS: using what distro? using what package manager?
13:52.29Tm_Tsampo-: Wtf
13:52.41Tm_Tsampo-: Kurkkaanpa.
13:52.55sampo-jep
13:52.57MetaMorfoziSthat's not important, but the kgtk is in my howto is in .deb
13:52.59annmaand what does "the gnome way" mean?
13:53.12MetaMorfoziSbut that is available as source
13:53.16MetaMorfoziSanyways, i use synaptic:/
13:53.32sampo-annma: Drop konfability, I do not know right word in english
13:53.48annmahow do we do that?
13:53.53JucatoMetaMorfoziS: it's important, if your guide specifically mentions apps or packages that are not common to all/most distros
13:53.58annmadrop config dialogs?
13:54.14sampo-I ask Tm_T help for translation
13:54.57MetaMorfoziSi think that's possible to say: install kgtk <link>from package</link> or <link>from source</link>...
13:55.17sampo-Tm_T: Yritn siis sanoa, ett tuo janne vitt, ett KDe on luopumassa muokattavuudestaan
13:55.19MetaMorfoziSother changes are only in the userchrome.css and the install directory of firefox
13:55.27MetaMorfoziS(whereis firefox)
13:55.45MetaMorfoziSbut, i think i write a test howto to ubuntuforums
13:56.01MetaMorfoziSand then others ports that to other distros, or any distro
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13:56.29JucatoMetaMorfoziS: yes, it would be best to put it up first in the distro where you have tested it to work, then test it on other distros
13:56.35Jucatoor have other people test them
13:57.09sampo-annma: Something like that, that KDE drop's out possibility to make own conf and some wizard's tms. like gnome are going to replace it
13:57.12Tm_Tsampo-: Ei siin niin sanota, vaan ett pient lhestymist on tapahtumassa, nin min sen tulkitsin.
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13:57.33Mirrakoris there a special channel for korganizer?
13:57.47Tm_TMirrakor: #kontact ?
13:57.48JucatoMirrakor: try kontact
13:57.57Jucatodarn! forgot the # :P
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13:58.07sampo-Tm_T: But read full thread? But it is not first time, when I missunderstund
13:58.19Tm_Tsampo-: Done already.
13:58.27sampo-ok. Maybe I missunderstund.
13:58.52Tm_Tannma: Short and simple, one writer just says that KDE and Gnome are slowly coming more close, nothing radical.
13:59.11Jucatoheh :)
13:59.37Tm_T:)
13:59.52Tm_Tsampo-: "hieman" ;)
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14:00.37annmasampo-: there are no hints that kde will change its config system
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14:01.04Tm_TI hope KDE will remain KDE.
14:01.09Tm_TAnd I believe so.
14:01.13Jucatoit will
14:01.19Jucatoit will never become GDE :P
14:01.30Tm_TYup, there's no reason to do that.
14:01.51Jucatobut people must be open to change... change is inevitable
14:02.01Tm_TTrue.
14:02.04Jucatospecially HIG/HCI changes
14:02.10Mirrakorfreedome is to have options to choose between
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14:02.37sampo-annma: That's good to hear
14:03.08Tm_TJucato: So give 'em some love.
14:03.20JucatoTm_T: when I get stable again :)
14:03.30Tm_TJucato: But stay away from me, you still don't have your new chipset installed.
14:03.33JucatoTm_T: I'm not even stable enough to start studying again :P
14:03.46Tm_TStable? Whats that?
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14:04.13JucatoTm_T: it's the state of being unchanging, static, stagnant, and boring :P
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14:05.16Tm_TJucato: Hmm, like me?
14:05.47Tm_TJucato: Btw you forgot "old". ;)
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14:07.09JucatoTm_T: oh you can be old without being stagnant :P
14:07.27Tm_TJucato: I can?!
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14:07.52Jucatooh no *you* can't
14:07.58Jucatoothers can ;P
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14:08.28Tm_T...was it you who called me "feces" ?!
14:08.34Tm_T;--P
14:08.56JucatoI'm not that tactless
14:09.01Tm_TYou was.
14:09.19JucatoI would have called you an excretion :)
14:09.28Tm_TOk, I need some food so see y'all later. ->
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14:11.05Jucatobye :)
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14:22.24chbhow do I get kmail to recognize my gpg keys?
14:23.02Thundercloudchb: With great difficulty!
14:24.30chbI see :-)
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14:41.08ErenTurkayhi all
14:41.36ErenTurkayis there a program for selecting and unicode character?
14:42.00Jucatokcharselect?
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14:42.07Tm_TErenTurkay: kcharselect
14:42.11Mirrakorchb: that's easy isn't it?
14:42.18Tm_TJucato: Hrr, you young and fast.
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14:42.30JucatoTm_T: no. you're just busy
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14:43.25ErenTurkaythanks
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14:43.45chbMirrakor»  not if you can't select any keys  :-/
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14:45.11Mirrakorchb: why can't you select any keys? (GPG Agent installed and running?)
14:45.24chbyes kgpg works with gpg-agent
14:45.48Mirrakorchb: yes, and I simply can select a default key in Kmail..
14:46.10xushi__strange.. I've created a button in my kmenu that starts konsole as a different user (root), but when i click on it, even though it works, it alawys takes a long time, and i  always get the error message "KDEInit could not launch 'kdesu'. Either that, or my kicker freezes
14:46.24chbMirrakor» it shows no keys
14:46.52Mirrakorchb: hm.. you have any Idea why? (you have a secret key in your keyring? )
14:47.12chbyes
14:47.52Mirrakorhm..strange
14:48.03chbindeed
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14:51.02chbthe gpg-agent is working - but not in kmail .. hmm
14:51.20Mirrakorwhere is gpg-agent/conf located?
14:52.01chb~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
14:52.50Mirrakorhm.. should be accessable
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14:53.39Mirrakorwhat's if you refresh/regenerate keycache in gnupg?
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14:55.45chbtried that - nothing
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14:57.48MaxtoRHi
14:58.36Mirrakorhu
14:58.52chblibkleopatra: WARNING: Running 'gpgconf --list-options dirmngr' f
14:58.53chbailed. Die Operation ist nicht erlaubt, but try that command to see the real output - I get that when I try to reread the crypto modules
14:58.54Mirrakorchb: distro?
14:58.57chbslackware 11
14:59.24Mirrakorwell try that command to get the real output :D
14:59.27MaxtoRi speak russia
15:00.25MaxtoR"5,0 [17:59]<MaxtoR> i speak russia"  
15:00.26Mirrakorhe speak english :D
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15:00.52chbdirmngr - command not found - ehm
15:01.12Mirrakorhm, try to get it :)
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15:02.03MaxtoRMirrakor ->fuk
15:02.18MirrakorMaxtoR: excuse me please? oô
15:02.49MaxtoR<Mirrakor> *STOP*
15:03.09James-S:o
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15:03.45MaxtoR"5,0 [18:02]<Mirrakor> MaxtoR: excuse me please? oô"  *THUMBS UP*:-)
15:04.12MaxtoR<PROTECTED>
15:04.26Mirrakoryes, you said that
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15:05.28MinceRMaxtoR: perhaps you could speak without those stupid colors
15:05.29annmaMaxtoR: ask your KDE question please
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15:05.36Mirrakor[16:01] <Mirrakor> hm, try to get it :) @ chb
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15:06.10MaxtoR<PROTECTED>
15:06.23annmado you have a kde question in English?
15:06.33chbMirrakor»  yes - doing that right now
15:06.41Mirrakorchb: good :)
15:06.46annmawe don't speak russian
15:07.00MaxtoRYes
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15:08.15MaxtoR"5,0 [18:06]<MaxtoR>   i speak russia:-(
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15:09.02annmastop using your colors and stop repeating the same thing MaxtoR
15:09.20annmayou speak a little English it seems
15:10.09MaxtoRannma -> *STOP*
15:10.37chbMirrakor»  the error is gone but thats all :)
15:10.55MaxtoR[18:08]*** Вас кикнул  annma (annma)
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15:11.27Mirrakorchb: so still no keys?
15:11.28MaxtoRHe
15:11.30chbnope
15:11.34Jucatoannma: might as well ban him
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15:11.46annmayes that'll be next
15:11.53Mirrakorhm, annma first want's to make his position clear
15:12.00annmaher
15:12.04Jucato:)
15:12.05Mirrakorher :D
15:12.12MaxtoR<PROTECTED>
15:12.45Mirrakorchb: you tried to regenerate your keycache know? (again)
15:12.49MaxtoRHa Fuk
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15:13.53Spawn311does anyone know if there is address book program for kde that is just that only (not looking for something like kcontact)
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15:14.35JucatoSpawn311: kaddressbook
15:14.43chbMirrakor»  won't help - thats very strange :/
15:14.45JucatoSpawn311: Kontact is just using different apps
15:14.56MirrakorSpawn311: hm.. AFAIK is kontact just a collection of programms, e.g it uses kaddressbook for contact tabs
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15:15.10annmathat's it
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15:15.23Jucato:)
15:15.29Jucatokick! kick! kick!
15:15.33Mirrakorchb: tried to access gpg keys with any other application?
15:15.52chbMirrakor»  yes it works with kgpg and sylpheed
15:16.26Mirrakorhm.. that's even stranger..
15:17.36Mirrakorchb: have you asked in a slackware specific channel, if they changed something with configs?
15:17.46Spawn311the kaddressbook site says the program has been deprecated in favor of kcontact -- so does the mean the tool on the way out.
15:18.10chbMirrakor»  I should do that - maybe I need to rebuild kmail or something but thx for helping me
15:18.44JucatoSpawn311: kaddressbook is a program that can be run apart from kontact
15:19.13JucatoKontact is like a house/container for various kdepim apps: kaddressbook, kmail, korganizer, knotes, akregator, etc
15:19.25Jucatoall those apps can run standalone or within kontact
15:19.41Spawn311ok Jucato: thank you for clearing that up it helps a lot
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15:21.14Mirrakorchb np and good luck
15:22.09James-SHi there
15:22.10James-S:-)
15:22.10Jucatominimalist... I find that running some apps in one window is actually more minimal than having 5 separate windows for each :)
15:23.07Mirrakorit really is
15:23.32MetaMorfoziSheyau
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15:23.52MetaMorfoziSi'm back, i have written my firefox integration howto, i'mwait for the moderators to accept it...
15:23.55MetaMorfoziSyuppey.
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15:28.00gemidjywhat is the point of KWallet, when it asks for the passwords of my KMail accounts everytime I restart X? And I have 4 accounts which makes that annoying
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15:28.20pablohi, i have a problem with kdesu
15:28.23thiagoit stores other passwords
15:28.33Jucatogemidjy: it shouldn't, actually.
15:28.36thiagothe point of KWallet is to store all your passwords in one encrypted place and protect it with a single password
15:28.51thiagoKMail will, therefore, not ask for one password per account
15:28.56Jucatoit should only be asking for the password to that wallet when it is first opened
15:29.12gemidjythiago: but on the other hand not to ask me every time I try to check mail for every acc
15:29.27gemidjyJucato: it asks for the pass of the wallet, then it asks for each separate account
15:29.27Sho_Jucato: How's your compilation orgy coming along?
15:29.28thiagoit doesn't ask every time, much less for each account
15:29.32gemidjythe same is with Kopete too
15:29.36JucatoSho_: er... gone bad a bit
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15:29.43Sho_Jucato: How so?
15:29.48Jucatogemidjy: something's definitely wrong on your end
15:30.21pablohi, i have a problem with kdesu
15:30.24JucatoSho_: koffice and kdenetwork didn't build, because Qt wasn't built with -dlopen-opengl. now I have to rebuild kdelibs too :)
15:30.34gemidjyJucato: it works over there?
15:30.40blinegemidjy: You try restarting kde?
15:30.42Jucatogemidjy: yep. for everything
15:30.54gemidjybline: as I said, it happens when I restart X, so the answer is yes
15:30.56Sho_gemidjy: It's possible the expiry settings of your wallet are unreasonably short, or perhaps you're actually not using KWallet at all - have a look around in the KWallet and wallet settings
15:31.10gemidjyI do use it :)
15:31.20gemidjythe passwords are listen in the wallet I choose
15:31.26blinegemidjy: I've seen that happen on my system. It was usually after a power outage and some file was corrupted.
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15:31.49gemidjybline: it is not first time, so no corruption involved I suppose
15:31.55gemidjymight be Kubuntu issue however
15:32.07JucatoSho_: I guess that should be a lesson for me to make sure that Qt is solid first :(
15:32.16Jucatogemidjy: not really. I'm using Kubuntu. no problem here
15:32.30Jucatogemidjy: you could ask in #kubuntu if others had the same problems, though
15:32.51gemidjybrb, let me check now
15:33.44Sho_Jucato: Learning from mistakes, I guess :)
15:34.15JucatoSho_: yep. it's fun, exciting, adventurous, annoying, exasperating, exhausting, worrying, and all :)
15:34.34JucatoI just don't know how long I can afford staying like this, though. I have work to do... :O
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15:34.46Jucatoone that needs scribus...
15:34.52Jucatobtw, is there a KDE DTP app?
15:34.58Sho_Jucato: If you mind my asking, why don't you boot a live-cd and do the compilation orgy in a chroot?
15:35.02Sho_Jucato: Scribus
15:35.13Jucatoisn't Scribus just Qt, not KDE?
15:35.35Sho_I thought it used kdelibs too on Linux
15:35.36Sho_Not sure
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15:35.40pablohi, i have a problem with kdesu
15:35.41JucatoSho_: well, I have X up, and KDE, kdepim, extragear-network
15:35.54Sho_pablo: You said so, and still haven't given us any details about your problem
15:36.10Sho_Jucato: ah
15:37.15pabloSho_: how do i get deteils about my problem
15:37.39pabloSho_: i only know i cant run aplication that use that for xample the clock
15:38.35Sho_pablo: Try running it from a Konsole and see if any interesting error output appears
15:38.56pabloSho_: no, just a messege that says error in su
15:39.16JucatoSho_: ah I think I remember his situation. su works, kdesu doesn't. he's on Knoppix
15:39.28MetaMorfoziS:)
15:39.30Jucatoannma mentioned earlier that it was a problem with Knoppix
15:39.58chbMirrakor»  it works - my version of gpgme was too old ;-)
15:40.03pabloJucato: exactly
15:40.22pabloJucato: dont know what to do
15:40.27Mirrakorchb: is there no update tool for slackware? :)
15:40.30Jucatoneither do I... :(
15:40.39annmapablo: use konsole for su
15:40.48Jucatopablo: the best people to know what to do would be the ones using KNOPPIX
15:40.49annmawhat do you need su for?
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15:41.16chbMirrakor»  heh no slack has no package management ;-)
15:41.27pabloannma: i dont need su but yes kdesu for many thngs
15:41.31Mirrakorchb: ups, didn't know that :D [well I'm away :D]
15:41.41annmapablo: for what?
15:41.42pabloJucato: but in #knoppix they dont answer
15:41.45chbheh cu
15:41.49Mirrakorthx :)
15:41.53pabloannma: change hour use kwlan
15:41.53annmapablo: for what you need kdesu?
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15:41.59Jucatopablo: welcome to FOSS IRC support :)
15:42.03annmado that from konsole
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15:47.42MetaMorfoziShmm, qt is fully-free? not dual licenced or anything other? (the faq said, its fully free)  (http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/licensing.html#id2566421) or am imissunderstanding something?
15:48.16MetaMorfoziSis it free for productivity use? or how it said
15:48.23pabloMetaMorfoziS: it is
15:48.44JucatoMetaMorfoziS: still dual licensed. absolutely free for open source
15:49.17MetaMorfoziSso it's only pay needed if i create a project with it, and i want to sell that (if the project is closed source)
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15:49.38MetaMorfoziSand what about gtk? that is absolute free for all type of use?
15:49.39pabloMetaMorfoziS: all those licenses are supported by fsf
15:49.50pabloMetaMorfoziS: also
15:50.01MetaMorfoziS?
15:50.23MetaMorfoziSso that flame, kde is a crap because gtk's licenses are better is an idiotism?
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15:50.59pabloMetaMorfoziS: long time ago kde use qt that was under another license
15:51.42MetaMorfoziShm, ok
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15:56.40aspediaHello all :)
15:57.39aspediaI have to do a migration from kmail to thunderbird on a microsoft machine and can not find a way to do that
15:57.53aspediaIm looking for an export function or similiar
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15:58.03aspediaand can not find it
15:58.04jpoissonhi
15:58.08aspediacan somone help?
15:58.49Jucatoaspedia: you could try asking in #kontact
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16:01.06aspediaokay!
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16:03.53gemidjythiago Jucato https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/67521 , solved the issue
16:04.10gemidjywe should check weather it is Kubuntu issue or general KWallet bug
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16:05.08Jucatostrange, never had that problem before...
16:05.27Jucatoit's definitely a Kubuntu issue as non-Kubuntu users don't seem to have a problem
16:06.16gemidjywell there are also kubuntu users that do NOT have this problem
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16:22.44Zumuhi :)
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16:26.07ZumuJames-S hello :) i wanted to ask if you have checked out svn repositry of KDE ? >_>
16:26.44James-SNot recently
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16:28.33ZumuJames-S do you know if somewhere are archived(?) checkouts ?
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16:29.04Zumui mean for me to download 'em and continue updating by myself :)
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16:29.25XVampireXAnyone here has a kdetalk account? It seems to be down :-/
16:29.48James-SI've got one.. although apparently i'm disconnected
16:30.09XVampireXMe too
16:30.16XVampireXIt seems to be down :-/
16:30.21ZumuXVampireX :(
16:30.26XVampireXI really need a 100% up jabber server
16:30.39gdiebeldcop call for "activate window demaning attention" ?
16:31.06XVampireXctrl+alt+a
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16:31.31gdiebelnah i wish to script it with dcop not a keyboard shortcut
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16:33.34XVampireXgdiebel: Cause you work alot with the console or something? :)
16:33.47XVampireXI bet the way it does it with the keyboard shortcut is related to the dcop call, hehe :)
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16:37.14ZumuJamesB192__ i wish i could :)
16:38.18Jucato??
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17:53.59James-SI forgot to say happy 10th birthday
17:55.05Jucatoheh.. you're 3 months late :)
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17:56.34James-SSorry :-)
17:56.49Q-collectiveJucato: so? he still had a 9 month window :p
17:57.37Jucatoheh :)
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17:58.11James-SHello
17:58.23tuxmanhi all
17:58.56James-Shaha
17:58.57James-Shttp://www.zombo.com/
17:58.58James-S:-D
17:59.03Moosejawi just installed kubuntu, and I messed up the screen resolution.  It was generic and I believe chose 1680x1050 on auto, and now when I select that I get a lower rate.  Can someone help me out?
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17:59.16Moosejawhow can i set it back to default?
17:59.23tuxmanI'm wondering whether there is a way to sync google calendar with korganizer (in write mode as well)
17:59.28Moosejawits also screwed up on gnome as well...
17:59.48James-SPerhaps your card is installed incorrectly/monitor
18:00.01Moosejawits when i messed with the monitor settings
18:00.10Moosejawi chose a dell laptop 1680x1050
18:00.14Moosejawwhich i have
18:00.22tuxmanI've only succeeded in adding a remote file ics and reading google calendar in readonly mode.
18:00.50Moosejawi cant get it back to the original settings, and Im tired of restarting
18:00.50Moosejawhehe
18:00.59tuxmanMoosejaw: set it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:01.06Moosejawk
18:01.14Moosejawi should also have a backup most likely
18:01.23tuxmangood
18:02.04tuxmancan someone  help me with that problem?
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18:22.14PhilRodrsibreak
18:22.35Jucatohi PhilRod! :)
18:22.39Jucato(and good night!)
18:22.41cb400fzce: or workrave
18:22.47PhilRodhi Jucato :-)
18:23.11Jucatorsibreak has the added advantage of being a kde app :)
18:23.58cb400fJucato: yup.. forgot which channel I was in.. thought it was #suse.. but to my defense.. SUSE has workrave-kde (workrave with some kde-integration)
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18:35.10graeme_Cool...I got my resolution fixed
18:35.38graeme_how do I use a cursor theme in kde?
18:36.08graeme_i found the link, but it doesnt seem to switch the cursor when i select a new one?  or is there a mouse properties area like in gnome?
18:36.34Bademeisterset it in kcontrol
18:37.13graeme_where is that found in the menu?
18:37.21graeme_i know i can type it....just want to see where it is
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19:11.11logixoulthe "checking dependencies" stage in the YOU loading is running for half an hour already. what should i do?
19:11.17logixoulsorry, wrong tab
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19:14.07mariuxwhy is there no "copy image url" in the picture right click menu in konq?
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19:15.06logixoulmariux: because you can see the url in the location bar
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19:17.09logixoulmariux: also, using the "Embeddable Image Viewer" (as opposed to gwenview's kpart) you have exactly what you want ;)
19:18.39annmamariux: copy is exactly what you are looking for
19:18.55annma4th action in the right click
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19:19.19logixoulannma: 4th one is "compress" here
19:19.41annma;)
19:19.47annmadepends on what stuff you have as addons
19:19.51annmabut you get the idea
19:20.10logixouloh, right, this probably needs kuick_plugin
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19:20.49annmalogixoul: you don't have copy in right menu?
19:21.08logixoulannma: nope, not when using the gwenview kpart
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19:23.26logixoulannma: i do have "Copy Image" in the "embeddable image viewer" kpart
19:23.41annmahe said in konq
19:24.23logixoulwell that's in konq
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19:24.36mariuxi thought copy image copied the image
19:24.41mariuxnot the url
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19:24.46mariuxdoes it copy both?
19:24.49logixoulmariux: afaics it copies both
19:24.51DaSkreechCan I tell Konqueror what an album is?
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19:24.57annmamariux: do you have copy?
19:25.04mariuxnot just copy no
19:25.05logixoulDaSkreech: use infolist view
19:25.08DaSkreechfor the audioCd:/ slave
19:25.13annmaI htink it's pretty basic vanilla kde stuff
19:25.23mariuxi am running vanilly kde
19:25.24mariux*a
19:26.43DaSkreechlogixoul: in audiocd:/ ?
19:27.09logixoulDaSkreech: it should work for any folder that has tagged audio files in it
19:27.22logixoulDaSkreech: gives you an "album" column
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19:28.12DaSkreechlogixoul: I'm trying to rip the album but neither amarok nor konqueror will pick up the album info
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19:28.27DaSkreechI'd rather not rip track X then rename all of them
19:28.43Renzeoh, you mean the cddb lookup isn't working?
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19:29.11jqalindeman: ping?
19:29.15logixoulDaSkreech: you mean the ripped files have empty album tags?
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19:29.28DaSkreechRenze: Right
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19:29.38RenzeDaSkreech: you should have said that in the first place ;)
19:30.09DaSkreechI thought I did :)
19:30.10logixoulDaSkreech: fwiw i've always used kaudiocreator for ripping
19:30.19paddewtf? kcalc doesn't calculate anymore
19:30.35RenzeDaSkreech: kaudiocreator allows you to enter the album info, and to submit it to the cddb
19:30.48paddecan anybody be too stupid to use a calculator (as in... could it be a user error?)
19:31.29DaSkreechRenze: Where?
19:31.33DaSkreechI edited it
19:31.40logixoulpadde: pls describe the problem in detail
19:31.41DaSkreechWhere is the resubmit?
19:31.49DaSkreechWait not submit. Query
19:32.11paddelogixoul: i open kcalc, enter a number, and as soon as i press any operation (like /, *, + or -), the display will immediately show 0
19:32.13Simkini'm trying to install quadkonsole from source and i'mg etting this error, anyone know how to resolve it?
19:32.13Simkinchecking for KDE... configure: error:
19:32.13Simkinin the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
19:32.21RenzeDaSkreech: sorry, I don't have any audio cd's handy to allow me to get to that dialog
19:32.43DaSkreechRenze: Where are you?
19:32.56logixoulSimkin: distro/os?
19:32.57RenzeSimkin: you're either providing the wrong prefix, or you don't have the dev packages installed
19:33.03Simkinrunning gentoo
19:33.15RenzeDaSkreech: at home, but all my audiocds are packed in a box and in storage since I don't use them
19:33.33RenzeSimkin: then use ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
19:33.44DaSkreechor logixoul :)
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19:34.13RenzeDaSkreech: they're in the bottom box of a large and heavy stack, so the only words that pop into my head are "get bent" :D
19:34.24DaSkreechNot a bad album
19:34.26paddelogixoul: logixoulby the way, it works perfectly with any other base than dec. with base hex, oct and bin it calculates as it should calculate
19:36.37SimkinRenze: thanks!
19:36.46logixoulpadde: no idea what's happening, check bugs.kde.org for relevant reports
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19:36.52RenzeSimkin: no problem
19:37.19DaSkreechlogixoul: Want to give me an idea where that button is?
19:37.55RenzeDaSkreech: the submission might be automatic, depending on your settings
19:38.18DaSkreechRenze: I don't want to submit I know the album is there I just want to query
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19:38.49RenzeDaSkreech: check the menu for "CDDB Lookup"
19:39.06paddelogixoul: it's this problem: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139342
19:39.06DaSkreechYeah. It's there I have put in partial info. :)
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19:41.06DaSkreech>_<
19:43.21logixoulpadde: ok, you can vote for it. i can't help you.
19:43.49paddelogixoul: umm yes... will do (although I have no big hopes...)
19:44.35logixoulof course you have the option of hunting down the bug yourself ;)
19:45.01logixoulDaSkreech: what button were you looking for again?
19:45.43DaSkreechThe requery button for CDDB
19:45.53DaSkreechI don't think it does what I want it to do
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19:46.51RenzeDaSkreech: software isn't there to do what you want it to... it's there to do what it's supposed to do ;)
19:47.14DaSkreechWell it's not even doing that
19:47.17paddelogixoul: no time :( why do you think i need a calculator... for fun? ;)
19:47.40Renzepadde: try abakus or speedcrunch
19:47.43logixouli know, mentioned it just in case ;)
19:47.52logixoulyes, abakus rules
19:47.54bma_google calc ftw ^.^
19:47.56bma_and hi :)
19:48.05Renzeor the Run Command dialog
19:48.18paddei already switched to xcalc in the meantime ;)
19:48.18DaSkreechGo katapult :)
19:48.19logixoul(only integer and no constants)
19:48.22neighborleehow do I ( kde 3.5) set mimetypes..I did: insert audioCD >popped up what do you want to do: only options for open in new window and do nothing..NOT what I want ;)..sooooo I did: configure > tried add, but ic no way to create a new launcher of my choice for when I insert audio cd..can someoen assist ?? ;))
19:48.23paddebut looks SO UGLY
19:48.42logixoulDaSkreech: alt+space would be language switching here ;)
19:49.09paddelogixoul: so you're also using skim?
19:49.19logixoulpadde: nope, why?
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19:49.29Renzeneighborlee: kcontrol -> peripherals -> storage media (it is nothing to do with mimetypes)
19:49.38paddelogixoul: ok, thought so... because there ALT-Space is also default for switching the input language...
19:50.01logixoulpadde: ah, ok
19:50.05neighborleeRenze: alright thx..I went there cause thats what the pop up from insert of audio cd gave me ;00
19:50.08neighborleechecking/thx ;)
19:50.10paddelogixoul: and it seems this is connected with the calculator problem, and you said for you kcalc works, which would imply the problem is somewhere else, or version dependent, ...
19:50.53logixoulpadde: yep, for now just use abakus
19:51.09neighborleeRenze: yes,,this area you just told me about is exactly the area im  given to goto from popup displayed after insert of audiocd in kde 3.5
19:51.25Renzeneighborlee: what do you want to add for audiocds?
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19:51.38neighborleeRenze: lsongs
19:51.49Renzeneighborlee: I have no idea what that is
19:51.59neighborleeor cdplayer is fine as well
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19:52.09Renzeneighborlee: click add
19:52.11logixoulRenze: linspire's itunes clone
19:52.13neighborleelsongs is freespires default audiocd player/ripper/etc. ;)
19:52.17Renzelogixoul: ew
19:52.25logixoulew indeed
19:52.29neighborleeRenze: did that ,,not working right or im missing something
19:52.39padde<PROTECTED>
19:52.43Renzeneighborlee: then select audio cd from the list and click the right arrow
19:52.55neighborleeRenze: did that too
19:52.59Renzeneighborlee: then put in the command line for lsongs down the bottom
19:53.19paddelol, it's always like that! whenever a tool, which I used because I was used to that kind of tool from windows breaks on linux, I find something that was there for years, and is much better :)
19:53.19Renzeneighborlee: then give it an icon and a description up the top
19:53.26neighborleewait right arrow ??
19:53.36Renzeneighborlee: the two arrows in the middle of the window
19:53.38neighborleei have no right arrow after choosing audio cd
19:53.46Renzeneighborlee: I do
19:54.04neighborleeI have: open in new window and do nothing
19:54.15Renzeneighborlee: Audio CD needs to be listed in Display service for:
19:54.23Renzeneighborlee: I mean in the Add window
19:54.24neighborleechecking
19:54.31neighborleeoh ok
19:54.35Renzeyeesh... I told you to click Add
19:54.41Renzecan you follow directions or not?
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19:54.50neighborleeno you said choose audio cd then click right arrow
19:54.53neighborleeanyway ;)jeeesh
19:55.00Renzeneighborlee: AFTER I said click Add
19:55.14neighborlee2] <Renze> neighborlee: then select audio cd from the list and click the right arrow
19:55.30Renze<Renze> neighborlee: click add
19:55.36Renzethat line was first
19:55.40Renzepay attention
19:55.45neighborleeoh wait ok sorry I s ee 'click ad d' further up
19:55.46s4br3Hi, any Qt-based applications I run get "polka bar" discolorations after a while, like ten minutes using the computer.
19:56.00neighborleeI was trying to do this while reading directions and clearly I misseed one message from you
19:56.02neighborleeOH well ;)
19:56.05Renzes4br3: video driver flaw
19:56.27s4br3I switched from the i810 to vesa, but it did not help
19:57.39s4br3It affects KDE itself, most KDE apps and Qt3 Assistant which is the only pure Qt3 app i know of
19:57.40neighborleeRenze: kewl ok I got it that time thx.teh right click part confused me for some reason go fig..thx for da help ;0\
19:57.50Renzeneighborlee: no problem
19:58.16s4br3I can send screenshot if anyone needs to see what i mean
19:58.20logixoulyes
19:58.53s4br3logixoul: Did you answer me?
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19:59.12logixouls4br3: yes, a screenshot would be helpful
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20:00.37s4br3I'm trying to send it to you now
20:00.44Renzeuse imageshack.us
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20:00.50Renzeso more than one person can see it
20:01.03s4br3Renze: what is that?
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20:01.10Renzes4br3: an image hosting site
20:01.12logixoulhttp://imageshack.us
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20:01.32s4br3but I need to register?
20:01.36Renzeno
20:01.36logixoulno
20:01.39Renzeit's free
20:01.59logixoulas in beer :)
20:02.11Renzewhy do people ask so many questions instead of just finding out for themselves? ;)
20:02.16s4br3:) ok, then I'll try it!!!
20:02.49Renzemmmmm... beer...
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20:03.03annmalol
20:03.03Renzethe resetter of connections...
20:03.06siambano more beer!
20:03.12annmaRenze: let's go to the pub
20:03.34Renzeannma: ok... it's a bit early here (9:02am) but what the hell
20:03.43annmalol
20:03.50annma;)
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20:05.02s4br3http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polkastripes2007011001yh6.jpg
20:05.48logixoulhmmmm
20:05.54Renzes4br3: ah, that's not the same as what I got... I think that's due to how Qt was compiled
20:06.17s4br3http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polkastripes2007011001yh6.jpg
20:06.27Renzeyes, you pasted that already
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20:06.44s4br3http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polkastripes2007011002ke7.jpg
20:06.47s4br3sorry
20:07.07s4br3This all from debian etch + latest Testing
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20:07.34Renzes4br3: have you asked in #debian if this is a known problem?
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20:07.47s4br3Yes, for days
20:07.53LXRoXhi all
20:07.59Renzes4br3: let me guess... they blamed us?
20:08.05LXRoXhi Renze
20:08.09s4br3But, the people who would know are there too rarely
20:08.30Renzewouldn't surprise me from what I've heard about that channel ;)
20:09.29RenzeI remember that glitch popping up years ago, and a solution for same, but I can't remember what it was... it involved rebuilding
20:09.51s4br3No, they are VERY helpful! But this one was only a few who had a clue
20:10.02LXRoXwookay
20:10.09LXRoXso , what about the CES ?
20:10.39s4br3CES?
20:10.48Renze?
20:10.49PhilRods4br3: you could try asking in #qt too. Someone there might have an idea
20:11.43s4br3I've tried xorg, but it is so poorly populated. Didn't find any #qt so far. What server?
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20:11.59LXRoXConsumer Electronisc shwo
20:12.04LXRoXshow , las vegas
20:12.25s4br3PS3 Mekka?
20:12.51PhilRods4br3: there are other servers?!
20:13.03s4br3PhilRod: I'm a tart
20:13.29PhilRods4br3: also, I guess you could try a different graphics driver if one is available for your card. That might tell you if the problem is related to the graphics driver
20:13.38s4br3Renze: (I asked LXRox if CES was PS3 Mecka)
20:13.55Renzes4br3: ah, I have that idiot on permanent ignore ;)
20:14.04logixoulyou know you're on #kde when... people say "Mekka" without flinching ;)
20:14.05LXRoXohh
20:14.09s4br3PhilRod: I've tried both i810 and vesa
20:14.18LXRoXwell,I shall to the same for the useless dumb
20:14.21DaSkreechIs there a shortcut key to jump between the terminal and kate's edit pane?
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20:15.21DaSkreechMekka
20:15.48LXRoXConsumer Electronics Show 2007
20:15.50LXRoXCES
20:15.53LXRoX:()
20:16.17s4br3DaSkreech: Don't run mc and expect it work with Kate...
20:16.27logixoulDaSkreech: there's one to toggle the terminal
20:16.29LXRoXmany vendors their displaying new hw,all around basically multimedia home pc hub ,hdtv and mobilityas usual  
20:16.42DaSkreechlogixoul: does it toggle and jump me to it?
20:16.50DaSkreechThat would be acceptable as well :)
20:16.51logixoulDaSkreech: dunno, try
20:16.53LXRoXthe spot I liked is the one of a hw vendor that does good harfdware bot h for Windows and Linux
20:16.56LXRoXHauppage
20:17.48DaSkreechlogixoul: I don't see one in the shotcuts dialog
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20:18.52logixoulDaSkreech: do a search for "term"
20:19.06logixoulDaSkreech: it's called "Show Terminal", under the "Kate" tree
20:19.23logixoulbbl
20:19.29LXRoXthey displayed their new HDTV card model : the WinTV HVR1500 supportig the PCI-Express interface
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20:19.52LXRoXas usual ,it will have both drviers for Windows and Linux , good news as always with Hauppage
20:20.24DaSkreechlogixoul: It does! Sweet. I never noticed that search in the dialog before
20:20.46logixoullol
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21:02.50laz0rhi, is there a way to delete network folders that i created in remote:/ ?
21:03.20laz0rand would it be possible to tell kde to use sftp:// instead of fish:// when creating a ssh remote folder?
21:04.09Renzelaz0r: have a look in ~/.kde/share/apps/remoteview/
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21:04.53laz0rRenze: ah, thank you, that seems to solve both of my problems
21:05.01Renzeno problem
21:06.38MorboFor mounted removable media, how do I make the icon on the desktop show the disc's name instead of cdromX?
21:07.21RenzeMorbo: if the disc has a name, it should show it. it does here.
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21:09.50qupadaMorbo: if you're seeing the name of the device nodes, it's likely hal and or dbus aren't running properly
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21:12.16MorboOK, thanks.  I'll check that out
21:13.53logixoulcan i make the taskbar 1 row only (on a high kicker)?
21:14.12logixouliirc that was default in 3.4
21:14.48Renzethe only way to make the taskbar 1 row is to reduce the size of kicker
21:14.49qupadalogixoul: if you have another panel item to put underneath it you can
21:15.05Sho_logixoul: You can change the size hints in kickerrc to make the buttons higher, iirc
21:15.27Sho_logixoul: And no, 3.4 had a two-row taskar by default too
21:15.46logixoulqupada: you mean by stacking 2 panels, one of them containing the taskbar?
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21:16.46logixoulSho_: ok, experimenting with kickerrc now
21:17.02qupadalogixoul: yeah.  that's what i did last time, i just remembered
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21:18.51qupadatwo 24px kickers.  if you still wanted some things taking up the whole 48px height, you could make the 24px panels 90% of the length, and one 48px, 10% wide one for the clock and other things at one end
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21:20.13rohanhow do i configure my special laptop keys in kde ?
21:20.17logixoulSho_: WidthForHeightHint? it was =62, i tried with =1000 and =1, and no apparent difference
21:20.19rohanlike the volume up and such
21:20.38logixoulrohan: kcontrol->regional&accessibility->keyboard shortcuts
21:20.43qupadarohan: would help if you told us what brand of laptop you had
21:20.54rohanacer travel mate 3260
21:21.00logixoulrohan: and input actions
21:21.03rohani am using kde 3.5.5 on frugalware
21:21.03Renzerohan: make sure you have the right keyboard model selected in kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard layout
21:21.23logixoulSho_: any idea what else to change?
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21:21.27rohanthat applet has configurations for laptop keyboards too, Renze ?
21:21.45Renzerohan: that kcontrol module lists everything that xkb supports
21:21.56rohanok
21:22.05Sho_logixoul: Nope, sorry, never really made the attempt myself - I actually use a "Small" Kicker by default, which is one-row thus
21:22.08qupadarohan: i mention it because some laptops need extra kernel drivers and their own daemon to handle multimedia keys
21:22.27rohanqupada: i did find something called acerhk .. but it is completely unmaintained
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21:22.41holycowhi guys
21:22.48holycowwhat is the proper name for kde objects?
21:22.55Renzeperforated bovine!
21:23.03Renzekde objects?
21:23.05holycowthe thing about kde where all apps share all objects ... kobjects or whatever? damn i forgot the name!
21:23.09holycowhi Renze :)
21:23.10Renzekparts
21:23.11Sho_holycow: Kparts
21:23.15holycowkparts! thank you!
21:23.20Sho_yer welcome :)
21:23.31holycowyeah was telling a friend about kde and kde4, qt4 and gpl and such :) thank you
21:24.15logixoulSho_: k, i just hoped to make it large enough for dad to see easily and still not confuse him with rows :)
21:24.19Renzeto err is human, to moo bovine
21:24.27logixoullol
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21:25.01holycowRenze, rofl
21:25.15holycowthats brillinat :) i'm putting that on a tshirt
21:25.15holycowhehe
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21:26.09logixoulqupada: well, no, it'd make the taskbar buttons just 24px high, i want them to span the whole height, but thanks anyway
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21:27.25qupadalogixoul: oh, i see.  you want one row of 48px buttons?
21:28.05logixoulqupada: yep, or more than 48px
21:28.40logixoulah, there was an alternative taskbar applet at kde-apps. "taskbar2"? trying it now.
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21:41.42canllaithlogixoul: what exactly are you trying to do with kicker?
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21:42.15canllaithMost of the features from taskbar v2 were actually implemented in kicker for 3.5
21:42.53qupadacanllaith: he wants a 48px high panel where the taskbar doesn't split the buttons onto two rows, but makes the buttons the whole 48px high as well
21:43.01logixoulcorrect
21:43.01canllaithThat can certainly be done
21:43.15canllaithThis might help: http://canllaith.org/?page_id=15
21:43.31canllaithbut in short, in ktaskbarrc set MinimumButtonHeight to 48
21:44.31logixoulgreat, that's it. i was looking in kickerrc until now.
21:44.35logixoulthx.
21:44.40canllaithyw
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21:45.48andresmujicaanyone can help me with a dcop shell
21:45.52andresmujicaquestion
21:46.05logixoulsure, ask
21:47.15andresmujicathanks
21:47.30andresmujicai'm trying to use this dcop kaddressbook AddressBookServiceIface importVCard file:///tmp/vcard.vcf
21:47.42andresmujicato import a vcard from the shell
21:47.47andresmujicabut it doesn't seems to work
21:47.53andresmujicait show nothing...
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21:48.20andresmujicaif i replace file:///tmp/vcard.vcf with anything else... for example  whatever
21:48.38andresmujicait shows nothing also.. so i want to debug the line so i can find the problem
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21:51.10logixoulone thing you could do it change the kabc source to output to stderr on this dcop call
21:52.42logixoulalso look through http://bugs.kde.org/simple_search.cgi?id=importvcard
21:52.46andresmujicahmm how can do that??
21:52.59logixoulare you a coder?
21:53.07andresmujicanot really... :(
21:53.22logixouli suggest you ask at #kde-devel
21:53.33andresmujicai'll try that thanks
21:53.40logixoulyou're welcome
21:53.52andresmujicaand check the bugs...
21:53.54andresmujicathanks a lot
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22:01.36mattjeethey KDE ppl!
22:02.25mattjeeti've got what's probably a simple question
22:02.25mattjeetfamous last words lol
22:02.26mattjeetis there any way to get KDE su box to work for an entire login session?
22:02.36Faust-Cmattjeet: login as root ?
22:02.55mattjeetFaust-C: haha, sure. is that the only way?
22:03.24Faust-Cwell what are you trying to do exactly
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22:05.12mattjeetFaust-C: just for constantly tweaking configs and it gets tiresome to always enter it during a session for various apps that require root access
22:05.34mattjeetFaust-C: i select the "remember' option but i think that's either just for that app or just for that instance or something
22:05.36mattjeetnot sure
22:05.41Faust-Cwhy no just edit the configs manually
22:05.51Faust-Cvim is the key lol
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22:06.13mattjeetthey're mostly QT apps
22:06.14mattjeetlol
22:06.18mattjeetand i'm doing QA
22:07.19Faust-C?
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22:09.19mattjeetahh, kdesu konq seems to be mostly what i need
22:10.06Faust-Cso just keep konquer up as root
22:10.19Faust-Ckdesu -c konq
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22:12.22Faust-Cboo
22:12.22TheGateKeeperhi folks
22:12.33Faust-Chello
22:13.07TheGateKeeperwhere is the setting that lets me move to the next virtual desktop by moving the mouse to the edge of the screen?
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22:13.31Faust-Cin the control panel or config desktop
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22:13.34TheGateKeeperhiya Faust-C :-)
22:13.54qupadaTheGateKeeper: kcontrol, desktop > window behaviour > advanced
22:13.58qupadacalled 'active desktop borders'
22:14.33S0NiCgn8 jungs
22:15.06Faust-CTheGateKeeper: sup
22:15.17mattjeetohhh, awesome, i was going to ask that to TheGateKeeper! woo
22:15.23mattjeetthx qupada
22:15.46TheGateKeeperqupada: thanx found it :-)
22:16.05TheGateKeeperFaust-C: doing ok, and you?
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22:16.38Faust-CTheGateKeeper: wishing irssi had a better /list cmd
22:16.49TheGateKeeperI didn't know kde could do that till the other day, nice feature :-)
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22:17.07TheGateKeeperFaust-C: what you looking for?
22:17.22Faust-Cwell in irssi if you do /list
22:17.34Faust-Cyou get all the channels w/o the option to actually look thru tehm kik
22:18.24mattjeetok 1 more question, where do i set the keyboard shortcuts for switching desktops?
22:18.24qupadaTheGateKeeper: i like the feature, i however have an input device that is incapable of going past the edges of the screen.  The default setup for my wacom graphics tablet is such that it's impossible to hit the edge of the screen, the cursor stops in the 0th column which isn't enough to trigger the desktop switch
22:18.28Faust-Cmattjeet: in the control center
22:18.49TheGateKeeperqupada: woow that got to be really annoying
22:18.55Faust-Canyone here use basket-notes
22:19.01mattjeetFaust-C: yah, i'm in there under Desktop->Multiple Desktops and Window Behavior but i don't see it
22:19.09Faust-Cmattjeet: not under that
22:19.17mattjeetoh
22:19.18mattjeetlol
22:19.31qupadaTheGateKeeper: not really.  i have winkey-tab for desktop switching
22:19.38Faust-Cmattjeet: regional and accessability
22:19.50qupadamattjeet: advanced tab in window behaviour, "active desktop borders"
22:20.00TheGateKeepermattjeet: there is a switch on 'Active Desktop Borders'
22:20.02Faust-Cqupada: no hes asking about keyboard shortcuts
22:20.04mattjeetqupada: yah, for moving with the mouse. just turned it on
22:20.08mattjeetFaust-C: found it! thanks :)
22:20.12Faust-Cnp
22:20.14Faust-Canyone here use basket-notes
22:20.54mattjeetohhh, i see the prob. pcbsd associates the win key with the start button so it's not getting to win+tab or something
22:21.10mattjeetany of you guys going to be at SCALE in Los Angeles?
22:21.12qupadaFaust-C: yeah, doesn't work so well with this damn dialup connection though
22:21.20mattjeetat the KDE booth
22:21.33Renzemattjeet: you going to pay my airfare from New Zealand? ;)
22:21.49TheGateKeeperFaust-C: use that for work, friend in spain I want to her to install it, but so far she hasn't :-(
22:22.01mattjeetRenze: lmfao no, isn't that what your foundation is for? :P
22:22.08Faust-Cman
22:22.14Faust-Cim so tired of typing
22:22.14Renzemattjeet: I'm just a user ;)
22:23.09TheGateKeeperfirst came accross this method of switching virtual desktop in e17
22:23.27RenzeTheGateKeeper: it's been in KDE for as long as I can remember
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22:23.57TheGateKeeperRenze: problem is I only just found that out :P
22:24.13TheGateKeeperohh well you live & you learn
22:24.27RenzeTheGateKeeper: you're not an explorer, obviously. ;) I always go through every page in kcontrol to see what stuff does :D
22:24.57TheGateKeeperI am sure someone gave me some bullshit that kde could not do it, don't exactly remember
22:25.13RenzeTheGateKeeper: never believe what anybody tells you... find out for yourself :D
22:25.27Faust-Cman kDE is one of the most advanced DE's
22:26.06TheGateKeeperRenze: must confess I don't to mess around, upside is I am less prone to knackering my system
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22:26.22RenzeTheGateKeeper: you learn from the knackering :D
22:26.28TheGateKeeperRenze: yeah :-) good advise
22:26.43TheGateKeeperbrb
22:27.21Faust-Canyone know if there is a basket notes channel
22:30.47TheGateKeeperok guys thanx for ALL your help :-)
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22:46.06Faust-Cis anyone here
22:46.10tbscopeDoes anyone know how to increase the amount of urls in the history list on the location toolbar?
22:46.24tbscopein konqueror
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22:47.09KRFtbscope, in the settings
22:47.11KRF:/
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22:47.17mattjeetok thanks a ton for the answers! cya guys
22:47.20mattjeetKDE rocks!
22:47.21mattjeet<3
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22:47.54tbscopeKRF: Where in the settings please?
22:48.23KRFtbscope, settings -> history
22:49.13tbscopeKRF: There's no such thing
22:49.52KRFtbscope, it's the 10th icon on the left side
22:49.55KRF;)
22:50.50Jucato(Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> History)
22:51.05tbscopeAhh: but that's the sidebar. Note that I'm talking about the toolbar ;-)
22:51.32KRFhm?
22:51.56KRFyou mean where you type google.de and so on
22:52.02tbscopeyes
22:52.13KRFthat setting is for that i think
22:52.21tbscopeno
22:52.33KRFwhat kde-version do you have?
22:52.38tbscopelatest
22:52.42KRFmh
22:53.18tbscopeKRF: The problem is, in the settings I have 500 urls to keep in the history. This works for the history sidebar. But the history list in the location toolbar only remembers about 20
22:53.37KRFnot for me
22:54.01KRFi have 5000 there and it really remembers nearly everything i've ever typed
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22:55.14KRFhttp://krf.ath.cx/~krf/tmp/konq.jpg
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22:56.13tbscopeWell, yes, that setting works ok for the sidebar, but it doesn't increase the history on the toolbar
22:57.20KRFweird
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22:58.48tbscopeWell, it might be something different. It's when I click that list that I only see the last 20.
22:58.55tbscopeSo, never mind :)
22:59.41KRFhttp://krf.ath.cx/~krf/tmp/konq1.jpg <- you mean THAT list? :/
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23:00.31tbscopeyes, and it seems you have more than 20 items in that list
23:00.48KRFyes. i have :/
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