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| 00:00.16 | wornaki | let me recheck |
| 00:00.43 | wornaki | it's there, I unchecked it |
| 00:00.49 | wornaki | the bouncing continues |
| 00:01.10 | Renze | there's nothing to uncheck... you set it to "no busy cursor" |
| 00:02.11 | wornaki | ... |
| 00:02.19 | wornaki | damn kcontrol and failing eyesight |
| 00:03.19 | wornaki | ok, that was it, I made it |
| 00:03.24 | wornaki | thank you Renze |
| 00:03.28 | Renze | no problem |
| 00:03.31 | wornaki | and I'm sorry about me not finding the thing |
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| 00:03.50 | Renze | it is surprisingly common ;) |
| 00:04.26 | wornaki | it's been a while since I last tested kde |
| 00:04.39 | wornaki | maybe too much time since 1999 |
| 00:05.13 | shadok | wornaki: woo, you're gonna like the changes :D |
| 00:06.03 | wornaki | shadok: hopefully, yeah |
| 00:06.11 | wornaki | but it may take a while |
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| 00:06.27 | shadok | to see all the diferences ? yeah :) |
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| 00:08.27 | dunpeal | I have kicker configured with multiple bars and stuff. Which file(s) configure this? |
| 00:09.12 | qupada | well presumably kickerrc |
| 00:14.19 | dunpeal | qupada: ok, thanks |
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| 00:47.59 | th1 | Hi, is there a way to make Firefox the default browser in KDE instead of Konqueror? |
| 00:48.53 | Renze | th1: kcontrol -> kde components -> component chooser |
| 00:48.55 | pinotree | th1: kde control center -> kde components -> component chooser -> web browser |
| 00:48.59 | Renze | snap! |
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| 00:50.15 | th1 | thanks Renze and pinotree, but that option doesn't show up in my menu. I am using Ubuntu Edgy.. any ideas? |
| 00:50.29 | Renze | th1: don't use kubuntu's system settings... use kde's kcontrol |
| 00:50.32 | pinotree | th1: alt+f2, kcontrol |
| 00:51.32 | th1 | Renze, that is what I have open.. but there is no "component chooser" in KDE Components.. there is just "File Associations", "File Manager","KDE Performance","KDE Resources","Service Manager","Session Manager", and "Spell checker" |
| 00:51.56 | Renze | hmmm... I wonder why they removed it... |
| 00:52.23 | th1 | me too :/ |
| 00:54.16 | th1 | any ideas what to do? |
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| 00:55.30 | shadok | bash kubuntu ? :D |
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| 00:56.02 | jonez | hi. I'm using kmail on fc5, and I'm having some trouble with it locking up on me.. is there some way I can turn on debugging and figure out what the deal is? |
| 00:56.17 | jonez | ah.. |
| 00:56.44 | jonez | the problem is that the kwallet window had popped up asking me for a pw, but I did not see it (it did not become modal).. once I found that, I entered the pw it wanted and all is well. |
| 00:56.48 | jonez | apologies for the noise :) |
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| 00:57.50 | OUAHABIX | hi everybody, any idea how to upgrade KDE3.4.2 to .6 , I'm newbie and using Xandros4 |
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| 00:58.17 | Renze | OUAHABIX: for all distro related questions, please ask in your distro channel... they make the packages, we don't |
| 00:58.57 | OUAHABIX | ok,Renze ,thnx for speed answer :) |
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| 01:14.05 | th1 | how can I make Konsole-windows semi-transparent in Beryl? i have tried with Window class but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 01:31.12 | Kyral | th1: this is my line in Window Opacity: c:Konsole:85 (adjust as you wish) |
| 01:31.45 | qupada | Kyral: why c:Konsole and not p:konsole ? |
| 01:31.56 | Kyral | qupada: I dunno I just know what works |
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| 01:32.42 | Kyral | in 0.2.0 when you add a rule a "wizard" pops up and you can select what quantifier and then "grab" the window you want with the cursor to fill it in |
| 01:33.08 | qupada | heh, that's a welcome change |
| 01:33.25 | qupada | it took me quite a while to even work out what the syntax was for those rules |
| 01:33.26 | th1 | qupada, it works now with C:Console after restarting beryl :) |
| 01:33.29 | Kyral | Only reason I use the damn thing now (I meant use the Window Attribute) |
| 01:33.31 | th1 | thanks anyway |
| 01:33.45 | Kyral | th1: Hmm mine takes effect immeadiatly |
| 01:33.50 | qupada | so did mine |
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| 01:34.00 | th1 | i know but I think the Beryl-manager had gotten out of sync wiht the manager somehow |
| 01:34.14 | Kyral | I still wish you could right click on the titlebar of a window and select opacity from the menu |
| 01:34.19 | Kyral | you used to be able to do that |
| 01:34.32 | qupada | Kyral: i can do that |
| 01:34.40 | qupada | (using aquamarine) |
| 01:34.44 | th1 | Kyral, that would be cool |
| 01:34.45 | Kyral | Bah |
| 01:34.50 | Kyral | I use Emerald :P |
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| 01:34.56 | qupada | well it's time to switch |
| 01:35.02 | th1 | btw Kyral I can do that too |
| 01:35.07 | th1 | but it doesn't save it.. |
| 01:35.17 | Kyral | Yah Aquamarine has it |
| 01:35.20 | th1 | so it is no better than shift+wheel |
| 01:35.21 | qupada | i couldn't find an emerald theme i liked, so i installed aquamarine instead, it can look like plastik |
| 01:35.23 | Kyral | Emerald doesn't |
| 01:35.32 | th1 | Kyral, who cares when you can shift+wheel? |
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| 01:35.45 | qupada | th1: there is one problem with that. i don't have a mousewheel |
| 01:35.56 | Kyral | qupada: Of COURSE it can look like Plastik, AquaMarine uses the KDE themes directly |
| 01:36.05 | Kyral | th1: I meant the right click opacity |
| 01:36.15 | Kyral | (And I don't like using the mouse wheel for that) |
| 01:36.18 | qupada | Kyral: that was the point i was making |
| 01:36.27 | th1 | Kyral, then assign it to Alt+Shift+up/down for example if you dont have the wheel |
| 01:36.28 | Kyral | Oh okay |
| 01:36.36 | Kyral | th1: I do :P |
| 01:36.43 | th1 | ;) |
| 01:36.47 | th1 | sorry I meant, for qupada :) |
| 01:36.51 | Kyral | th1: I just use the wheel for going up and down the scroll bars |
| 01:37.09 | th1 | yeah but then hold Alt and it goes up/down the opacity :) |
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| 01:37.55 | luke-jr | my KDE is acting messed up :( |
| 01:37.59 | luke-jr | nothign works |
| 01:38.04 | Kyral | I wonder what projects KDE is going to put forth for this year's SoC |
| 01:38.09 | th1 | luke-jr, I had the same problem just an hour ago :) |
| 01:38.11 | Kyral | luke-jr: That's vague.... |
| 01:38.13 | th1 | SoC? |
| 01:38.17 | luke-jr | Kyral: I hope Krdc/Krfb |
| 01:38.24 | Kyral | Summer Of Code |
| 01:38.38 | Kyral | luke-jr: I'd like to work with KDE4 stuff |
| 01:38.38 | th1 | ah the "Google wants to buy your soul" thing |
| 01:38.47 | luke-jr | Kyral: literally, nothing works except what's already there |
| 01:38.51 | Kyral | lol to me its just another form of the bounty system |
| 01:38.59 | th1 | heh whatever ;) |
| 01:39.04 | th1 | ifI write code I do it for fun |
| 01:39.07 | th1 | unlessit is for work |
| 01:39.15 | th1 | and if it is for work I get paid a whole lot more than google will :) |
| 01:39.20 | Kyral | Oh it will be for fun |
| 01:39.34 | Kyral | It will be one of those things I would have done anyway but now I get paid for it |
| 01:39.47 | th1 | hehe |
| 01:39.57 | th1 | I would prefer working on Beryl tbh.. learn OpenGL code :) |
| 01:40.06 | th1 | maybe some beryl+kde integration stuff |
| 01:40.12 | Kyral | Nah I'm a SysAdmin coder |
| 01:40.45 | th1 | hehe |
| 01:40.45 | luke-jr | th1: :) |
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| 01:40.46 | Kyral | Perl + Shell Scripts + Ruby |
| 01:40.46 | Renze | why integrate beryl and kde? kde4 won't need beryl |
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| 01:40.46 | th1 | thats what I do for work :) so I dont wan tto do it for fun |
| 01:40.46 | th1 | well Renze |
| 01:40.46 | th1 | why not use some of the beryl stuff |
| 01:40.49 | Kyral | (Though I also know C, C++, Java, PHP, MySQL...) |
| 01:40.52 | th1 | if KDE4 really wont need beryl then, cool :) but beryl contains a lot ofgoodies |
| 01:41.03 | th1 | well |
| 01:41.03 | luke-jr | Renze: Beryl plugin compatibility |
| 01:41.03 | Kyral | A little Ruby/Qt and Korundrum |
| 01:41.07 | luke-jr | krdc works; new tabs in open konsoles work |
| 01:41.11 | th1 | I know C, C++, ARM assembler, MIPS assembler, PHP and then a bit of java etc. |
| 01:41.20 | Kyral | ick ASM |
| 01:41.24 | Kyral | I know ASM a little |
| 01:41.25 | th1 | hehe |
| 01:41.27 | th1 | and Symbian .. a lot |
| 01:41.28 | th1 | hehe |
| 01:41.32 | Kyral | but I don't like to program in it |
| 01:41.37 | th1 | well thing with ASM is it is different for each platform |
| 01:41.39 | Kyral | Yah |
| 01:41.45 | Kyral | thats the problem :P |
| 01:41.48 | th1 | Kyral, me either but for some things it is the only stuff.. eg. bootloaders |
| 01:41.52 | th1 | ' |
| 01:41.58 | Kyral | Yah no thanks |
| 01:42.03 | th1 | I have written boot loader for MIPS in assembler.. it was great fun |
| 01:42.08 | luke-jr | th1: bootloaders can be C... |
| 01:42.16 | th1 | well yes luke-jr but not until you have RAM :) |
| 01:42.26 | th1 | and it is about a third into the bootloader :) |
| 01:42.41 | luke-jr | depends on CPU |
| 01:42.48 | luke-jr | pretty sure OpenFirmware stuff is all C |
| 01:42.50 | th1 | of course |
| 01:42.51 | th1 | hehe |
| 01:42.55 | th1 | it all starts with ASm |
| 01:42.59 | Kyral | My real interest as a Computer Science major is interprocess communication |
| 01:43.00 | th1 | believe me :) |
| 01:43.04 | Kyral | like DCOP and DBUS |
| 01:43.10 | th1 | yeah |
| 01:43.15 | th1 | I dont know about DBUS |
| 01:43.19 | th1 | last I coded for KDE was back in 2002 |
| 01:43.26 | luke-jr | dbus isn't KDE specific |
| 01:43.47 | th1 | nice |
| 01:43.51 | Kyral | It replaces DCOP in KDE4 |
| 01:44.03 | Kyral | So GNOME and KDE will have better communication now |
| 01:44.12 | th1 | yeah |
| 01:44.31 | th1 | I haven't used Linux for a couple of years, since last week |
| 01:44.39 | th1 | but I already noticed that stuff seems much better integrated |
| 01:44.56 | Kyral | Heheh people keep talking about how KDE and GNOME are getting so different without realizing that thanks to Freedesktop.org, the two are coming closer together |
| 01:44.56 | th1 | I switched to Linux to avoid Vista :/ |
| 01:45.11 | wornaki | Kyral: there's still a lot to do |
| 01:45.31 | th1 | well, in any case it is hugely better than a few years ago |
| 01:45.39 | Kyral | wornaki: Oh I never want them to be completely the same |
| 01:45.44 | th1 | and also Linux in general is hugely better than when I used it 2 years ago |
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| 01:46.15 | th1 | the thing with gnome+kde is that it should be possible to choose one environment and still use the best apps from the other without any hassle |
| 01:46.28 | Kyral | Bingo |
| 01:47.39 | luke-jr | th1: impossible |
| 01:47.39 | th1 | why?? |
| 01:47.46 | Kyral | luke-jr: Not really.... |
| 01:47.55 | th1 | I use gaim in KDE and I used KPhotoAlbum in Gnome.. |
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| 01:48.04 | Kyral | People use AmaroK and Gaim side by side with no problem |
| 01:48.05 | Wesker | hi |
| 01:48.25 | Kyral | (Keep in mind I don't believe in the terms "KDE App" and "GNOME App" |
| 01:48.25 | th1 | I like both, but I do prefer KDE |
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| 01:48.42 | Wesker | I use fluxbox with a lot kde applications. What is the kde aplication that shows de ethernet status in kicker ?? |
| 01:48.57 | luke-jr | th1: because I consider GTK and libgnome* to be a hssle |
| 01:48.59 | luke-jr | hassle* |
| 01:49.05 | th1 | luke-jr, ok :) |
| 01:49.08 | Kyral | Wesker: There is an applet called "KBandwidth" |
| 01:49.16 | th1 | I understand where you are coming from but some good applications have been made using it, e.g. gaim |
| 01:49.18 | Kyral | Wesker: I don't think its in a default KDE install though |
| 01:49.29 | Kyral | I just hate GConf with a passion |
| 01:49.49 | th1 | I have found KDE superior for the last 5 years |
| 01:50.01 | wornaki | Kyral: that makes two of us |
| 01:50.05 | th1 | and nothing much ahs changed only KDE has become more streamlined, so has Gnome but also more hacky IMHO |
| 01:50.16 | Kyral | I used GNOME until GNOME 2.14 |
| 01:50.34 | Kyral | at that point they decided to hide all the useful configuration options in GConf... |
| 01:51.01 | Kyral | Plus I dig Konq's man:/ protocol :D |
| 01:51.06 | Wesker | QT applications are more light than GTK |
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| 01:51.27 | Kyral | Wesker: That could be endlessly disputed |
| 01:51.34 | Kyral | and I have no idea if its true |
| 01:52.25 | Wesker | Kyral: when u want i make 1 bench in my pc with archlinux :) |
| 01:52.27 | Wesker | I use fluxbox |
| 01:52.35 | Kyral | ? |
| 01:53.04 | Wesker | Kyral: and qt applications runs mor fast than gtk |
| 01:53.06 | qupada | right, scratch earlier comment, i have scrolling now. not a wheel, but the code controlling the scrolling ability of my graphics tablet is working again |
| 01:53.06 | Wesker | :) |
| 01:53.14 | Wesker | sure |
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| 01:53.37 | th1 | wel |
| 01:54.16 | th1 | Wesker, the thing about speed.. the fact that GTK apps used to be faster was the main argument for gnome.. but now it is the other way around :) it is because the underlying design is more future proof for QT, so it has evolved int he right way |
| 01:54.36 | th1 | at first the simple solution is fastest, but as it evolves it becomes pasta-code ;) |
| 01:55.03 | Renze | mmmmm... pasta... |
| 01:55.29 | Kyral | Qt4 is supposed to be what? 30% faster than Qt3? |
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| 01:58.40 | Fenix-Dark | hey |
| 01:59.07 | th1 | hey Fenix-Dark |
| 01:59.07 | Fenix-Dark | its wierd, i've got 3.5.6, and with the volume up/down buttons on my keyboard they adjust the volume as they should, but the mute button says kmix isn't running even though it is |
| 01:59.19 | Fenix-Dark | then it opens the kmix window |
| 01:59.23 | Fenix-Dark | and still doesnt work |
| 01:59.31 | th1 | haha |
| 01:59.39 | th1 | none of my media buttons do anything at all :) |
| 01:59.52 | luke-jr | klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_about'. |
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| 02:00.20 | Fenix-Dark | th1, i didnt bother to use xmodmap or xbindkeys, so kde is handling them now |
| 02:00.33 | th1 | i didn't do anything for it |
| 02:00.38 | th1 | but then it also doesn't work ;) |
| 02:02.37 | Fenix-Dark | actually its xorg thats handling the extra buttons |
| 02:03.13 | mariux | i set them up today |
| 02:03.18 | mariux | use xev to find the keycode |
| 02:03.23 | Fenix-Dark | yea i know |
| 02:03.27 | Fenix-Dark | too lazy |
| 02:03.37 | Fenix-Dark | i did that with my ati remote wonder and keyboard a while ago |
| 02:03.38 | mariux | xmodmap -e "keycode 120 = XF86AudioMute" |
| 02:03.50 | mariux | and then set it as the global shortcut |
| 02:04.14 | Fenix-Dark | keycode 160 for me |
| 02:08.51 | Fenix-Dark | mariux, happen to know xbindkeys jargon? |
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| 02:15.34 | mariux | did some today |
| 02:15.37 | mariux | for the first time evfer |
| 02:15.39 | mariux | -f |
| 02:15.45 | mariux | set up my multimedia keys |
| 02:16.18 | Fenix-Dark | as far as i know you cant run apps through xmodmap |
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| 02:17.31 | mariux | no |
| 02:17.39 | mariux | but in kde you can assign global shortcuts to them |
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| 02:25.05 | Wesker | where is the program that conatains akregator, kmail... etc etc etc |
| 02:25.13 | Kyral | kdepim? |
| 02:25.22 | Renze | kontact? |
| 02:25.25 | Wesker | kontact! |
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| 02:31.22 | ForgeAus | I love integrators! |
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| 02:36.01 | etheri | lol, this translucency is so random. Seems to treat my settings more a rough guidlines.. |
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| 02:44.08 | Kyral | mmm I love the Magnatune store built into AmaroK |
| 02:48.30 | bsdfox__ | should kio_system be using 85% cpu when I am emerging something? |
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| 02:48.31 | ForgeAus | bsd probably not, but the question is why is it doing so? |
| 02:48.31 | ForgeAus | btw I thought emerge was gentoo not bsd |
| 02:48.31 | ForgeAus | doesn't bsd use an extension like pbi or something for their packages? |
| 02:48.32 | Kyral | BSD uses Ports |
| 02:48.32 | bsdfox__ | pcbsd does |
| 02:48.32 | Kyral | which Portage was based off of |
| 02:48.32 | bsdfox__ | freebsd is source based |
| 02:48.32 | bsdfox__ | but this is on a gentoo system :P |
| 02:48.43 | bsdfox__ | well kio_system is using 100% cpu when the system isn't doing anything |
| 02:48.43 | bsdfox__ | wonder what's up with that |
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| 02:50.36 | tapas | i'm in the curious situation that my internet connection works fine |
| 02:50.42 | tapas | except for in konqueror |
| 02:51.38 | ForgeAus | tapas in your konqueror options have you set a proxy on or something? |
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| 02:51.41 | tapas | hmm, the proxy settings were changed |
| 02:51.46 | tapas | ForgeAus: righto |
| 02:51.52 | tapas | ForgeAus: i wonderhow thta happened |
| 02:51.57 | ForgeAus | that would explain it |
| 02:52.07 | ForgeAus | as to how it happened I have no clue? a stray click? |
| 02:52.09 | tapas | hmm,still no dice |
| 02:52.13 | ForgeAus | corrupted download? |
| 02:52.26 | ForgeAus | relaying settings from somewhere else? |
| 02:52.27 | tapas | feisty update |
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| 02:52.41 | tapas | hrmpf |
| 02:52.44 | ForgeAus | feisty? hmmm you do realize its only alpha still? |
| 02:53.00 | tapas | yep |
| 02:53.09 | ForgeAus | well then all I can say is ... good luck! |
| 02:53.16 | tapas | :) |
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| 03:02.24 | imagine | what would be a system requirment to Run KDE? |
| 03:02.33 | imagine | pentium 200? |
| 03:02.37 | imagine | 400? |
| 03:03.21 | ForgeAus | imagine probably depends on your kernel/distro |
| 03:03.58 | imagine | I'm writing an article and I need a fits-all situation.. so a pentium 800 would run any kind of distro? |
| 03:04.18 | imagine | SUSE and Kubuntu let's say |
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| 03:04.34 | ForgeAus | well I run kubuntu just fine but my pc is a 3 gig processor |
| 03:04.35 | bsdfox__ | what might cause kio_system to use 100% cpu right after boot when I haven't done anything |
| 03:04.54 | bsdfox__ | imagine: 800mhz will be fine if you have enough ram |
| 03:04.55 | ForgeAus | bsdfox maybe you need to reinstall kio? |
| 03:04.58 | bsdfox__ | ram matters a lot more |
| 03:05.05 | imagine | ForgeAus: I don't think you could have said something more useless... |
| 03:05.13 | bsdfox__ | ForgeAus: dunno why that would happen |
| 03:05.15 | ForgeAus | rofl imagine |
| 03:05.28 | ForgeAus | well this is your second issue with kio_system |
| 03:05.36 | imagine | bsdfox__: thx man. appreciate it |
| 03:05.46 | Renze | imagine: I used to use KDE3 on a Pentium II 266 with 64MB RAM... it ran OK, but it certainly got better when I went up to 256MB |
| 03:05.50 | ForgeAus | its either configuration causing something to use it alot or your kio_system is messed up somehow |
| 03:05.53 | bsdfox__ | ForgeAus: no it's the only issue |
| 03:05.58 | imagine | Renze: awesome |
| 03:06.13 | ForgeAus | I'm hoping that reinstalling your kio might reset something or avoid the situation... |
| 03:06.20 | bsdfox__ | ForgeAus: you don't have anything for me to check out? |
| 03:06.35 | bsdfox__ | cause I am on dialup and reinstalling anything kde related is pretty much outta the question |
| 03:06.36 | imagine | so if I say it this way: KDE runs on virtually any computer (specs wise.... not hardware detection) it would be fairly right? |
| 03:06.54 | Renze | fairly, yes |
| 03:07.01 | imagine | cool |
| 03:07.02 | ForgeAus | ok well then I don't have any suggestions, but then I'm no guru |
| 03:07.30 | bsdfox__ | renze you got any advice? |
| 03:07.43 | Renze | bsdfox__: nope... can't think of why that would be happening |
| 03:07.48 | bsdfox__ | shoot |
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| 03:10.17 | ForgeAus | bsdfox perhaps googling might help (I doubt it will but it might be worth a go) |
| 03:10.45 | bsdfox__ | already tried :* |
| 03:12.59 | ForgeAus | argh! |
| 03:13.15 | ForgeAus | adept wants to remove kubuntu desktop! |
| 03:13.52 | Alethes | you're probably trying to remove something that is a dep for kubuntu desktop |
| 03:14.16 | ForgeAus | well not exactly remove |
| 03:14.25 | ForgeAus | just install something that conflicts with a dep probably |
| 03:14.44 | Alethes | right |
| 03:14.45 | ForgeAus | I reinstalled it straight away, didn't seem to complain... thats strange... |
| 03:17.14 | ForgeAus | I kind of added some slackware subsystems and debianized my Kubuntu a little |
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| 04:58.32 | troy | Renze: what - no friday night fun? |
| 04:58.32 | Renze | um, it's saturday afternoon |
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| 04:58.34 | troy | Renze: bloody time zones :P |
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| 04:58.38 | Kyral | hmm (joins last.fm for the hell of it) |
| 04:58.39 | troy | Kyral: it's not really useful, except that it powers the recommendation engine for amarok :) |
| 04:58.40 | Kyral | troy: I'm bored |
| 04:59.53 | Kyral | I'm also using it to try and plug a friend's band :P |
| 04:59.54 | troy | Kyral: heh - I think there's an amarok community on there where KDE users try to recommend music to each other... |
| 04:59.54 | Kyral | troy: I already joined it |
| 04:59.54 | troy | sweet :P |
| 04:59.54 | Kyral | as well as the "People who don't think Japanese Music is wierd" |
| 04:59.55 | Kyral | Username: Kyral of course :P |
| 04:59.55 | Renze | Japanese music is weird |
| 04:59.56 | troy | Renze: I guess you're not in that community then :P |
| 04:59.57 | Renze | Nobuo Uematsu does some excellent orchestral stuff, but the really Japanese stuff is just out there |
| 04:59.57 | Kyral | Your point :P |
| 04:59.57 | Kyral | That's my friend's group |
| 04:59.58 | Renze | is his name Howard Jennings? |
| 04:59.58 | Kyral | Yah :P |
| 04:59.59 | Renze | he needs an imagination :D |
| 05:00.03 | Kyral | lol |
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| 05:00.39 | Kyral | I have half a mind to mute the machine and leave AmaroK running all night |
| 05:00.39 | Kyral | so that ALL my music gets listed on last.fm :P |
| 05:00.39 | Renze | you have half a mind? |
| 05:00.40 | Kyral | less :P |
| 05:00.40 | Renze | that explains things |
| 05:00.40 | Kyral | :p |
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| 05:00.40 | troy | "Jiilik hasn't made any friends yet." hahaha, so sad :/ |
| 05:00.41 | Renze | friends? what're they? |
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| 05:00.42 | troy | I never use the last.fm website anyway :) just use it via amarok :) |
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| 05:01.16 | th1 | ok, so I try to start Evolution |
| 05:01.16 | th1 | and I get "CalDAV Eplugin starting up ..." |
| 05:01.16 | th1 | man, makes me wanna puke !!! |
| 05:01.16 | Renze | evolution isn't a KDE app, so we don't have to support it ;) |
| 05:01.16 | th1 | I dont want shit to hang in linux |
| 05:01.17 | Kyral | Evo makes me puke |
| 05:01.17 | th1 | come on |
| 05:01.17 | th1 | I want to start a bloody app |
| 05:01.17 | Kyral | Use Thunderbird or Sylpheed Claws |
| 05:01.17 | th1 | it shouldnt hang in KDE |
| 05:01.17 | Renze | kmail ftw! |
| 05:01.18 | Kyral | Renze: I meant if he didn't wanna use KMail :P |
| 05:01.18 | th1 | beh |
| 05:01.18 | th1 | I just wanna use what I used before without it hanging :( |
| 05:01.19 | Renze | meh |
| 05:01.19 | troy | Renze, Kyral: you guys make terrible user support :P |
| 05:01.20 | troy | th1: has evolution run for you in KDE successfully before? |
| 05:01.20 | Kyral | What? |
| 05:01.20 | Kyral | IMO Evolution bows CHUNKS |
| 05:01.23 | troy | Kyral: your opinion is irrellivant to the question though |
| 05:01.23 | Kyral | Yes it is |
| 05:01.23 | Kyral | Evo doesn't work |
| 05:01.23 | Kyral | use something else :P |
| 05:01.24 | Renze | I've never used evolution in KDE, so I cannot provide any kind of advice |
| 05:01.24 | Renze | last version of evolution I even looked at was the one that came as part of gnome 1.4 |
| 05:01.26 | Renze | KDE is very very very unlikely to be the problem... they have no libs in common whatsoever |
| 05:01.26 | troy | and if it's not a KDE issue, at least direct him to where the best chance of getting help is... |
| 05:01.26 | th1 | ok troy |
| 05:01.26 | th1 | what do I need to do |
| 05:01.28 | th1 | to answer your question: I have never tried to run Evo successfully in KDE .. it has always worked in Gnome |
| 05:01.28 | th1 | but always hung in KDe.. |
| 05:01.29 | troy | th1: first, what distro are you using? |
| 05:01.29 | Renze | I have heard of people using evo in kde, but I've never actually seen it |
| 05:01.29 | th1 | ubuntu edgy 6.10 |
| 05:01.30 | imagine | anyone here can run photoshop? I need to extract an image from it's background and well.. don't have Photoshop : |
| 05:01.30 | imagine | :( |
| 05:01.30 | Renze | imagine: gimp! |
| 05:01.30 | troy | imagine: can gimp import PSD files? |
| 05:01.30 | imagine | man.. I can't work with gimp.. just tried for half an hour |
| 05:01.31 | imagine | I'm ridiculously bad |
| 05:01.31 | Dr_willis | half an hr... gesh. :) |
| 05:01.31 | th1 | beh imagine |
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| 05:01.31 | Renze | I've used gimp so much, I actually prefer it to photoshop |
| 05:01.32 | Dr_willis | thats enough to.. err.. read the first chapter or 3 of that Groking the gimp book i got. |
| 05:01.33 | troy | th1: okay - best place to ask is #kubuntu... it's probable that there's a background process from gnome that needs to be running before evolution can be launched... you may be able to find someone in that channel that knows what this is... |
| 05:54.15 | th1 | troy, I am not using kubuntu |
| 05:54.15 | th1 | I am using ubuntu with KDE desktop |
| 05:54.15 | troy | th1: ubuntu+kde = kubuntu |
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| 05:54.16 | Renze | th1: ubuntu + kde desktop == kubuntu |
| 05:54.16 | th1 | no |
| 05:54.16 | Renze | yes |
| 05:54.17 | th1 | kubuntu is a different distro |
| 05:54.17 | troy | th1: seriously, installing the kde packages turns ubuntu into kubuntu |
| 05:54.17 | Renze | kubuntu distro is ubuntu with kde desktop |
| 05:54.17 | th1 | then why the f*** have they got a separate kubuntu |
| 05:54.18 | Renze | defaults |
| 05:54.18 | th1 | that seems just lame beyond comprehension |
| 05:54.18 | troy | th1: it's just a different install disk... |
| 05:54.18 | Renze | th1: for those people who detest gnome |
| 05:54.18 | troy | th1: one ships with gnome packages, the other with kde |
| 05:54.18 | th1 | well |
| 05:54.19 | th1 | thing is I had Gnome installed and KDe |
| 05:54.19 | th1 | and all was working fine |
| 05:54.19 | th1 | but now Evo won't start |
| 05:54.19 | Dr_willis | I always install ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, and xubuntu-desktop :) |
| 05:54.19 | Dr_willis | but i do have oodles of hd space. |
| 05:54.19 | Renze | Dr_willis: what about gaybuntu? ;) |
| 05:54.19 | troy | th1: does it still start if you load it from gnome? |
| 05:54.20 | th1 | well I only have 750G of hd space on my desktop |
| 05:54.20 | Dr_willis | BubbaUbuntu |
| 05:54.20 | imagine | Renze: ROFL! |
| 05:54.20 | troy | Renze: go away |
| 05:54.20 | Dr_willis | XXXubuntu with porn themes. |
| 05:54.21 | th1 | troy, tbh I dunno |
| 05:54.21 | th1 | I avoided restarting in gnome because I got lots of trouble when I switched to KDe.. |
| 05:54.21 | imagine | Renze: Can you plz remove the background of my jpg file then?:P |
| 05:54.22 | troy | th1: that'd be the first thing to check... if it starts in gnome, it's not likely an evolution problem, so much as a background process problem... |
| 05:54.22 | Renze | imagine: depends on the jpg and how messy it is |
| 05:54.22 | troy | th1: in the login manager, there should be a drop down that still lets you choose gnome... |
| 05:54.23 | Dr_willis | could also install a very minimal window manager. (like fluxbox) and see if the problem happens then. |
| 05:54.23 | imagine | I just need to get a windmill outta it's background |
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| 05:54.24 | troy | Dr_willis: true :) |
| 05:54.25 | imagine | http://cms.curriculum.edu.au/technology/images/wind_01.jpg |
| 05:54.25 | th1 | it's just that I have seen lots of people having problems like this so I am not convinced that it has to do with what WM I am running |
| 05:54.26 | Dr_willis | and try it with a totally new user. if it works with a new user (who should have the default .kde settings) that may be a clue also. |
| 05:54.26 | th1 | and every time I switch WM I have to log out and back in |
| 05:54.26 | troy | th1: well, if you have the same problem in gnome, you know 100% that it's evolution that's at fault... |
| 05:54.26 | Renze | imagine: I'll give it a go and get back to you |
| 05:54.26 | Dr_willis | th1, there should be a spawn new session in the K menu. |
| 05:54.28 | Dr_willis | handy to test out things. |
| 05:54.28 | th1 | Dr_willis, where? :) |
| 05:54.28 | troy | th1: goto the K menu->Switch User->Start New Session |
| 05:54.28 | th1 | ah |
| 05:54.28 | Dr_willis | right where it logicially should be. :) |
| 05:54.28 | imagine | Renze: :) Woot |
| 05:54.29 | troy | th1: should let you run two sessions at once... you might need things like CTRL-ALT-F7 and CTRL-ALT-F9 or similar to move back and forth easily... |
| 05:54.30 | Dr_willis | i wonder if that would also let me spawn a new session on the 2nd monitor... |
| 05:54.30 | th1 | hehe yeah |
| 05:54.30 | th1 | it works |
| 05:54.30 | th1 | but evo still hangs |
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| 05:54.32 | troy | th1: okay - so you know now it's an evolution problem... I wonder if they have a channel on freenode? |
| 05:54.32 | th1 | I tried to start it with strace.. here is what I get: |
| 05:54.33 | th1 | <troy> th1: first, what distro are you using? |
| 05:54.33 | th1 | nect(15, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/orbit-th/linc-1716-0-520b19abec330"}, 42) = 0 |
| 05:54.33 | th1 | fcntl(14, F_SETLKW, {type=F_UNLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=1}) = 0 |
| 05:54.34 | th1 | close(14) |
| 05:54.34 | troy | th1: I'm not familiar with strace output... sorry |
| 06:17.42 | troy | th1: you really ought to bug either #ubuntu or #evolution (if that channel exists) to see if there's a broken package, or config file or something that they know about... |
| 06:17.43 | troy | th1: and for any KDE related problems in ubuntu, the #kubuntu channel is occasionally helpful... if the channels SNR isn't too terrible... |
| 06:17.45 | troy | th1: honestly though, the first thing I'd try is to move your evolution config files away and see if starting it with empty config fixes it... |
| 06:17.46 | troy | th1: other than that, I doubt anyone in this channel has any ideas :) |
| 06:17.47 | Dr_willis | yeppers i agrree |
| 06:17.47 | Renze | imagine: http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wind01jg4.png |
| 06:17.48 | imagine | Renze: nah it doesn't cut it sorry :) I'll ask a friend who has photoshop |
| 06:17.48 | imagine | it's good tho |
| 06:17.49 | Renze | imagine: if photoshop does a better job, I'll eat my hat |
| 06:17.50 | imagine | Renze: are you sure about that? |
| 06:17.51 | imagine | Renze: cuz if you are.. I want to have a movie on Youtube of you eating your hat |
| 06:17.52 | Renze | too bad I don't have a camera, eh? |
| 06:17.52 | imagine | haha |
| 06:17.54 | imagine | I'll show you give me a minute I need to reboot (yeah.. I actually have photoshop.. but I'm writing the home page of SpreadKDE at the moment and couldn't stop.. I have inspiration you know.. you can't stop that) |
| 06:17.58 | troy | imagine: you need to get yourself some vmware so you don't have to reboot |
| 06:18.50 | imagine | troy: I need to get a legit WinXP CD so I don't have to reboot ;) |
| 06:18.51 | imagine | troy: or can you use VMware on an existing partition havin XP installed? |
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| 06:18.53 | troy | imagine: not sure actually - but you should be able to use photoshop via wine off of that partition as well |
| 06:18.55 | imagine | troy: CS2 is buggy.. I'm running CS2 |
| 06:18.56 | troy | imagine: ah, I've only tried older versions... |
| 06:18.57 | imagine | troy: yes.. 9 runs like a charm |
| 06:18.58 | imagine | and CS3 is gonna be universal binaries.. and they are not planning to release a linux version.. bunch of wankers |
| 06:18.58 | troy | she lets me play with KDE/Mac on it too... even took the screenshots for my KDE/Mac article with it, so now it's famous :P |
| 06:18.59 | bsdfox_ | imagine: there is a howto online on running native windows installs with vmware |
| 06:18.59 | bsdfox_ | imagine: you have to run some program that'll make it work but I hear it does |
| 06:18.59 | imagine | bsdfox_: woot! Just need to run Age Of Empires 3 on it and I won't have to reboot to WinXP EVER! |
| 06:19.00 | imagine | VMWARE doesn't support 3D anyway.. |
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| 06:19.00 | morghanphoenix | How do you set keyboard shortcuts, like say to run 3ddesk from a keyboard combo? |
| 06:19.01 | Renze | linux will probably never see photoshop |
| 06:19.01 | Hydrogen | thats okay |
| 06:19.01 | Hydrogen | its not a bad thing |
| 06:19.02 | Hydrogen | adobe would eff it up as badly as they did acroread |
| 06:19.02 | Renze | true |
| 06:19.02 | bsdfox_ | imagine: photoshop works with wine I think |
| 06:19.03 | imagine | Renze: ... why ? Photoshop isn't QT4 Based? |
| 06:19.03 | Renze | imagine: nope |
| 06:19.03 | imagine | anyway it's build on universal binaries i'm 100% sure |
| 06:19.03 | morghanphoenix | it works with codeweavers for certian, not sure about wine alone. |
| 06:19.55 | bsdfox_ | wine works better than cedega now so.. I bet it does :P |
| 06:19.55 | imagine | universal binaries wouldn't screw up |
| 06:19.55 | morghanphoenix | Although getting D3D stuff working in WINE is still eluding me. |
| 06:19.55 | imagine | bsdfox_: ahhaha yeah.. wine ppl are catching up.... buyt they are late on their 1.0 release.. also that win Vista has been release.. that means Wine back to zero :( |
| 06:19.56 | Hydrogen | late? its been in beta for 10 years, I think late is a bit of an underkill |
| 06:19.57 | troy | imagine: not zero - how many apps are going to be released this year that absolutely require vista? not many... |
| 06:19.57 | morghanphoenix | You know how many comments I've seen on blogs that says Vista drove them to Linux and they couldn't be happier? |
| 06:19.58 | Hydrogen | not enouhg. |
| 06:19.58 | Dr_willis | ugh 2? |
| 06:19.58 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 06:19.59 | morghanphoenix | No, but a good start |
| 06:19.59 | imagine | troy: hmm you're right.. and Vista is a P.O.S that will force 92% of the ppl that have a computer to buy a new one.. it's ridiculous |
| 06:20.00 | Dr_willis | good marketing to me.. |
| 06:20.01 | imagine | I have seen a Celeron's CPU going as high as 40% to open the Start Menu.... that's ridiculous |
| 06:20.01 | Renze | marketers are the lowest form of life |
| 06:20.01 | Dr_willis | Real estate Developers are lower. :) |
| 06:20.01 | morghanphoenix | Funny how XGL works fine on systems that wouldn't even think of running vista and has better eye candy than aero in my opinion. |
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| 06:20.05 | imagine | Dr_willis: It is!!! they have the whole market.. they shoveling forward.. they don't want other distro to catch up but they are.. so they put up a very demanding OS |
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| 06:20.06 | Renze | it's the multiple DRM checks per second that are eating the CPU :D |
| 06:20.06 | imagine | morghanphoenix: no sorry... beryl has not enough polygons.. it's sluggish at time |
| 06:20.06 | morghanphoenix | DRM killed my last windows install |
| 06:20.08 | Dr_willis | last windows game i installed underwindows (legal copy) wouldent run due to the CD-copy protection check failing. |
| 06:20.09 | imagine | Renze: Marketers are quite good.. it's not them who are at fault.. is ppl payin them way too much to do stupid stuff like promoting Vista |
| 06:20.10 | morghanphoenix | I like the IBMLinux commercials. |
| 06:20.11 | troy | Renze: if marketing is bad, then my KDE 4 articles are trash :P |
| 06:20.13 | Renze | troy: not marketing... marketers :P |
| 06:20.13 | imagine | troy: don't worry marketing is very misunderstood within the linux community... |
| 06:20.14 | imagine | well.. Photoshop CS2 crashed |
| 06:20.34 | troy | Renze: well that would be me I guess, since that's the main reason I write those articles... translated into a dozen languages, posted to hundred of blogs... |
| 06:20.34 | troy | Renze: viral marketing at it's best... |
| 06:20.34 | Renze | troy: I mean marketers who are paid to do marketing :D |
| 06:20.34 | troy | Renze: ohhhh, subtle difference... |
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| 06:20.35 | morghanphoenix | marketing something you believe in isn't the same as selling out to the highest bidder. |
| 06:20.35 | imagine | Renze: stop your just diggin your grave mate ;) |
| 06:20.35 | Renze | exactly |
| 06:20.36 | troy | 'boo', and watches you fall in :P |
| 06:20.37 | imagine | OMG Photoshop took offf!!!!! 2 minutes laters |
| 06:20.37 | troy | imagine: does it run though? |
| 06:20.37 | Renze | troy: disable the main enter key and start using the one on the numeric keypad ;) |
| 06:20.38 | imagine | troy: no. |
| 06:20.38 | imagine | it hangs to death |
| 06:20.38 | imagine | the splash screen loaded everything then crashed |
| 06:20.39 | troy | imagine: sucks... hey - maybe try krita? |
| 06:20.39 | bsdfox_ | imagine: what does vistas release have to do with wine? |
| 06:20.39 | troy | it's got some really good edge detection algos... |
| 06:20.40 | imagine | bsdfox_: wow.. you took some time ;) well DirectX.. different API |
| 06:20.40 | troy | bsdfox_: wine doesn't have any vista api support |
| 06:20.40 | morghanphoenix | All the new code, it'll drop WINE Cedega Crossover, all them back quite a bit. |
| 06:20.41 | morghanphoenix | Doesn't seem like a coincidence to me |
| 06:20.41 | bsdfox_ | imagine: DX10 doesn't even work on XP so it's not like people are gonna code lots of vista-only stuff |
| 06:20.42 | troy | bsdfox_: that's kind of what I thought :) |
| 06:20.42 | morghanphoenix | I think you underestimate herd mentality |
| 06:20.42 | imagine | bsdfox_: ahah DX10 is a myth I'm sure.. it's like Jesus walked on water! |
| 06:20.42 | troy | bsdfox_: so wine has a few years to catch up :) |
| 06:20.43 | bsdfox_ | right |
| 06:20.43 | bsdfox_ | and dx9 support is getting there |
| 06:20.43 | bsdfox_ | I bet XP and wine both get dx10 support at the same time :) |
| 06:20.43 | morghanphoenix | I'm crossing my fingers and hoping |
| 06:20.44 | morghanphoenix | DX9 will bring me up to all I need |
| 06:20.45 | imagine | bsdfox_: I bet wine will get it first... MS wants ppl to migrate |
| 06:20.45 | morghanphoenix | Anarchy Online & EVE Online |
| 06:20.46 | troy | woot! qt-copy done compiling... that's the really big beast of building kde 4 now... cmake makes kdelibs/base so much faster these days... |
| 06:20.46 | bsdfox_ | no one is gonna migrate :P |
| 06:20.47 | imagine | bsdfox_: tell that to the idiot who bougth the Vista Box where I work at |
| 06:21.05 | Renze | imagine: wouldn't be the first time |
| 06:21.05 | imagine | the day it came out |
| 06:21.05 | imagine | Renze: Ahahaha :) |
| 06:21.06 | bsdfox_ | imagine: yeah well.. |
| 06:21.06 | morghanphoenix | Microsoft says to do it, and people do it, even though most of the reviews I've seen have experts telling people to hold off for a bit and let the bugs get ironed out. |
| 06:21.07 | morghanphoenix | Vista doesn't even come with 64-bit support unless you buy Ultimate. |
| 06:21.07 | Renze | people are sheep that will just do what the other sheep are doing |
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| 06:21.08 | morghanphoenix | You have to pay another $10 and wait for the 64-bit DVD to be shipped to you |
| 06:21.08 | imagine | bsdfox_: and you should see my manager who's a perfect idiot who claims Windows is a p.o.s but I showed him linux and he reckoned it sucked (hey.. I rand Beryl with best texture and everything on an iMac 20" Intel core2duo.. it was wicked man ... wicked!) and put Vista on a Celeron to show it off to allt he customer |
| 06:21.10 | imagine | morghanphoenix: that's just funny... laptops are stuck with intel coreduo for so long.. while intel core2duo 64 bits are on macbooks and iMac for 4 months... |
| 06:21.11 | morghanphoenix | The sidebar cracks me up too |
| 06:21.13 | troy | morghanphoenix: so they made a few bad decisions now... but like IE 4.0, they usually learn from their mistakes... |
| 06:21.13 | troy | morghanphoenix: which is good for their users, and helps keep Apple, KDE, etc. on our toes... |
| 06:21.14 | morghanphoenix | Isn't the new KDE supposed to run in windows? |
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| 06:21.16 | troy | morghanphoenix: KDE libraries and applications, yes, not the Desktop (Workspace) |
| 06:21.17 | troy | morghanphoenix: so no kwin and such |
| 06:21.19 | troy | morghanphoenix: also runs on the Mac, quite nicely I might add... they look beautiful :) |
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| 06:21.42 | morghanphoenix | Argh! Keyboard shortcuts, can't find how to set them to run 3ddesk |
| 06:21.43 | troy | morghanphoenix: you're trying to set a KDE keyboard shortcut? |
| 06:21.43 | morghanphoenix | Yeah |
| 06:21.43 | troy | morghanphoenix: add 3ddesk to the k-menu, and use the menu editor to set the shortcut... |
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| 06:21.44 | morghanphoenix | All I can find is the one for things in your menu |
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| 06:21.44 | morghanphoenix | 3ddesk isn't in my menu, been running it from a konsole |
| 06:21.44 | Jucato | weee! snow!! |
| 06:21.45 | Jucato | the first snowball I ever got in my entire human existence!! :D |
| 06:21.45 | Jucato | morghanphoenix: try creating a shortcut using Input Actions |
| 06:21.45 | Jucato | KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Input Actions |
| 06:21.46 | Jucato | troy: that will, um... be a bit problematic if you have launch feedback enabled |
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| 06:21.46 | troy | Jucato: yeah :) |
| 06:21.47 | Renze | Jucato: nope, we can't see anything you're typing |
| 06:21.47 | Jucato | oh kool... then I'm probably just being ignored :P |
| 06:21.48 | troy | Jucato: I usually tweak the .desktop file to turn feedback off, and to hide it from the actual menu... |
| 06:21.49 | troy | Jucato: I use this trick to make shortcuts to dcop commands... |
| 06:21.49 | Jucato | troy: that's kool too... but not entirely as simple as creating an Input Action :) |
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| 06:21.52 | troy | Jucato: I didn't even know that existed :P |
| 06:21.53 | Jucato | heh Input Actions even has a built-in "type" for DCOP calls |
| 06:21.55 | Jucato | this is what I love about KDE... I think even after years of usage, there will still be some features I wouldn't know about :) |
| 06:21.55 | troy | Jucato: that is sweet! learn something new everyday... |
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| 06:21.57 | Jucato | yeah! it's like discovering that chocolate bar your mom was so trying hard to hide from you... |
| 06:22.08 | Jucato | (or that would be my mom... years ago... |
| 06:22.08 | SAS_Spidey01 | the day one stops learning new things, is the day one starts to die a little bit every morning |
| 06:22.08 | morghanphoenix | thanks, got it with input action, ctrl+alt+z now switches desktops. |
| 06:22.11 | troy | Jucato: it's still another example of why things are hard to find in kcontrol though :) |
| 06:22.11 | Jucato | yeah.. that too :D |
| 06:22.12 | morghanphoenix | And all the stuff that is in kcontroll but not in the control center is a bit annoying. |
| 06:22.13 | Jucato | ??? |
| 06:22.14 | Jucato | you're talking about System Settings I think |
| 06:22.14 | Hydrogen | your talking about *bunto I think |
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| 06:22.15 | Renze | ew, buntu |
| 06:22.15 | Jucato | btw, it is in System Settings |
| 06:22.15 | morghanphoenix | Not anymore, moved to slack11 two days ago |
| 06:22.16 | morghanphoenix | aside from DVDs not playing everything is working like a charm |
| 06:22.16 | SAS_Spidey01 | I thought kcontrol was the kontrol center 8=) |
| 06:22.17 | Renze | SAS_Spidey01: it is |
| 06:22.18 | Jucato | troy: Input Actions may be an example of 1) a poorly named module or 2) kcontrol mess... |
| 06:22.18 | troy | by the way, did I mention how much faster building KDE 4 is vs. KDE 3? |
| 06:22.19 | Jucato | troy: experienced it first hand :) |
| 06:22.19 | SAS_Spidey01 | I normally use kcmshell these days, so I don't care ;) |
| 06:22.19 | Jucato | although, presumably because KDE 4 isn't that "complete" yet? |
| 06:22.19 | morghanphoenix | Is it worth upgrading your kernel if everything is working or should I just stick with the 2.4 kernel that came with Slackware |
| 06:22.19 | troy | Jucato: yeah - but looking at the functionality, you can't exactly call it just 'shortcuts' either... |
| 06:22.20 | SAS_Spidey01 | I got tired of playing mouse man |
| 06:22.21 | troy | morghanphoenix: slack has 2.6 packages as well... just choose them instead, iirc |
| 06:22.21 | Jucato | troy: yeah. but "Input Actions" is too general too... oh well :) |
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| 06:22.23 | Jucato | slack ain't for slackers... :) |
| 06:22.24 | morghanphoenix | I like the slackware base installation |
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| 06:22.24 | Jucato | Larry ftw! |
| 06:22.25 | Jucato | lol |
| 06:22.25 | morghanphoenix | Has all kinds of stuff I needed to apt-get on kubuntu |
| 06:22.25 | Renze | moo! |
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| 06:22.25 | morghanphoenix | I can actually build stuff on a fresh install |
| 06:22.25 | troy | morghanphoenix: well, moving to 2.6 in slack is pretty easy... |
| 06:22.26 | SAS_Spidey01 | slacware is slackolicious |
| 06:22.27 | morghanphoenix | All my libraries have just compiled with no problems, UO even sped up after I switched, runs faster with WINE than it did on XP now. |
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| 06:22.29 | morghanphoenix | Now if I can just get Anarchy Online to run I'll be a very happy camper. |
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| 06:22.30 | Fenix-Dark | hi |
| 06:22.30 | Fenix-Dark | which kde package has kmix? |
| 06:22.30 | Renze | kdemultimedia |
| 06:22.31 | troy | Jucato: I'm doing a 100% complete rebuild of KDE 4 tonight :) trying to kill the old icons and other stuff that's been sticking around... |
| 06:22.31 | Jucato | (technically, it's not a package :) ) |
| 06:22.32 | Renze | Jucato: it's a tarball, yes, but kde doesn't make packages :P |
| 06:22.32 | Jucato | troy: I'm so glad I haven't re-built KDE 4 yet |
| 06:22.33 | Jucato | Renze: actually, the correct answer would be "kmix is in the kdemultimedia *module*" :) |
| 06:22.33 | wolsni | n |
| 06:22.33 | wolsni | oops, wrong window :P |
| 06:22.34 | Renze | Jucato: semantics :P |
| 06:22.34 | troy | Jucato: there's a technology preview release planned next week... so some binaries should be floating around... |
| 06:22.34 | Jucato | ñ |
| 06:22.34 | Fenix-Dark | oh sorry |
| 06:22.34 | Fenix-Dark | meant module |
| 06:22.35 | Fenix-Dark | lol |
| 06:22.36 | Jucato | troy: ooh. 3.80.3? |
| 06:22.36 | Jucato | troy: btw, building KDE? I don't do binaries lol |
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| 06:22.37 | Jucato | I don't use kdesvn-build either... O.o |
| 06:22.37 | morghanphoenix | 09:10:54 PM: xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd:///dev/hdc] |
| 06:22.37 | morghanphoenix | 09:10:54 PM: xine: input plugin cannot open MRL [dvd:///dev/hdc] |
| 06:22.38 | morghanphoenix | Now this is beginning to annoy me quite a bit though |
| 06:22.39 | Renze | morghanphoenix: libdvdread? |
| 06:22.39 | troy | morghanphoenix: you need libdvdread |
| 06:22.39 | morghanphoenix | Have it on there |
| 06:22.39 | Renze | libdvdcss? |
| 06:22.39 | morghanphoenix | Also there, and nav too |
| 06:22.40 | morghanphoenix | Plays avis like a dream though |
| 06:22.40 | troy | morghanphoenix: probably missing xine plugin... *sigh* |
| 06:22.40 | morghanphoenix | Funny that I have to rip a dvd to watch it |
| 06:22.40 | morghanphoenix | mencoder works just fine |
| 06:22.41 | troy | morghanphoenix: yeah, missing xine plugin for sure then :/ |
| 06:22.41 | wolsni | morghanphoenix: why not watch with mplayer then? |
| 06:22.42 | morghanphoenix | mplayer won't open it either |
| 06:22.42 | morghanphoenix | let me try opening it in a konsole to see the output |
| 06:22.42 | troy | the mplayer ui gives me flashbacks to using linux software in 1998... |
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| 06:22.44 | morghanphoenix | failed to open dvd//:1 |
| 06:22.44 | morghanphoenix | that's all I get from mplayer |
| 06:22.45 | morghanphoenix | Only thing that's not working |
| 06:22.45 | troy | imagine: I should have phoned you up on wednesday, I was on montreal... |
| 06:22.46 | wolsni | morghanphoenix: shouldn't that be dvd://1 ? |
| 06:22.46 | imagine | troy: hahha ;) I wouldn't have come... I live in Quebec city ;) |
| 06:22.47 | morghanphoenix | not what it says |
| 06:22.47 | troy | imagine: doh, misread your reverse dns... |
| 06:22.48 | imagine | troy: ;) it's okay.. you were close enough:) Damn exams here at the university! |
| 06:22.48 | imagine | Renze: ready to eat that hat? |
| 06:22.49 | imagine | And by the way |
| 06:22.49 | Renze | imagine: my version only took 7 minutes... what took you so long? |
| 06:22.50 | imagine | Renze: Rebooting |
| 06:22.50 | troy | Renze: your versions didn't account for aliasing... |
| 06:22.50 | imagine | winXP takes ages to load |
| 06:22.50 | imagine | troy: rofl ;) |
| 06:22.50 | Renze | troy: the foreground extraction tool in gimp is still rather new |
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| 06:22.51 | wolsni | what version of the gimp is that in? |
| 06:22.51 | Renze | 2.3.x |
| 06:22.51 | Renze | I'm using 2.3.14 |
| 06:22.52 | morghanphoenix | says the xine plugin has been merged with the xine lib, or am I reading that wrong? |
| 06:22.54 | morghanphoenix | wow, four desktops running tons of apps and I've finally got up to 3/4 of a gig usage on my memory |
| 06:22.56 | imagine | Renze: http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9451/windmillex2.jpg |
| 06:22.57 | Renze | imagine: that's not the same image you gave me, and it's not transparent |
| 06:22.58 | Renze | lots of black fringing too |
| 06:22.59 | morghanphoenix | opera, mplayer, xmms, amarok, konq, krusader, konsoles, kmail, kopete, xchat, ak-whatever(the rss reader), calendar, address book, open office writer. |
| 06:22.59 | imagine | isn't it? .. I wasn't sure cuz I saved the jpb to a linux partition and you know how windows like those partitions right? |
| 06:23.00 | morghanphoenix | lol, how much ram do you think windows would use for that kind of load? |
| 06:23.00 | Renze | imagine: the image you gave me was MUCH smaller |
| 06:23.01 | imagine | Renze: sry then you won ;) |
| 06:23.01 | imagine | but the png version doesn't look that ugly tho |
| 06:23.02 | imagine | Okay.. I want some feedback from most of you guys: dev.spreadkde.org tell me what you think of what's written |
| 06:23.04 | Renze | imagine: CHoice? |
| 06:23.05 | imagine | Renze: I can't believe you stop on that... they are IDEAS because the text is NOT finished |
| 06:23.05 | Renze | imagine: :D |
| 06:23.05 | imagine | =) haha |
| 06:23.06 | troy | imagine: you should really check out some of krita's selection tools... it does things like magnetic edge following, and so forth... |
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| 06:23.10 | imagine | troy: I will actually I ran krita to convert my png file and I kinda feel within photoshop there.. so far I love inkscape.. and I think about giving a shot @ krita as well |
| 06:23.11 | Renze | I should try to do more stuff in krita... I'm too used to gimp |
| 06:23.11 | troy | imagine: I was just playing with it a little on that inital jpeg... wasn't perfect, but it could roughly select the windmill in like three clicks... |
| 06:23.12 | imagine | troy: wow ;) haha I'll play around with it soon enough |
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| 06:23.13 | imagine | FeedBack plz?!?!?! this is for you we are doing that guys!!!! |
| 06:23.13 | troy | imagine: didn't do de-aliasing using that method though... |
| 06:23.14 | imagine | troy: hehe well I'll need to watch it and see the options there.. I'm a bit loaded at this time.. I usually let the graphic part to Pinheiro ;) |
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| 06:23.14 | troy | yeah, that's a master at work... |
| 06:23.15 | imagine | yeah he's just a bit too stick on svg ;) I'm more of a rasterize guy ;) haha but hey! that's 2 opinions completly different |
| 06:23.16 | imagine | I can't believe no one give me feedback.. |
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| 06:23.16 | Renze | imagine: I'm too hungry to give feedback... buy me a pizza :D |
| 06:23.17 | imagine | I love vectors.. it's just that sometimes.. I think rasterized image are better ;) |
| 06:23.17 | imagine | for soem occasion |
| 06:23.17 | Renze | sometimes they are... like for photos ;) |
| 06:23.18 | wolsni | imagine: you should elaborate on the reasons you give for using KDE |
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| 06:23.19 | wolsni | like mention some of the "Free Software that does the job!" etc |
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| 06:23.20 | imagine | wolsni: thx man! Yeah I was going to elaborate on them.. it's just theme to get me started.. but I wanted to know if the first 2 paragraphs bring curiosity |
| 06:23.20 | rokfit | does anyone know anything about a flash installer for 64bit or when it might be released? |
| 06:23.21 | imagine | I want to know if those 2 brings your attention.. that you want to read further |
| 06:23.21 | imagine | rokfit: last time I heard it was not going to be released for a while |
| 06:23.21 | rokfit | can you give me a time estimate? |
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| 06:23.22 | rokfit | or a guessed date |
| 06:23.22 | imagine | rokfit: a decade |
| 06:23.22 | rokfit | gah! |
| 06:23.22 | sharp15 | how do i control which browser opens when I click links in kmail? |
| 06:23.22 | imagine | Adobe just started to release stuff to linux.. be patient |
| 06:23.22 | rokfit | well does anyone know how to install this debootstrap stuff? I can't seem to run the command |
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| 06:23.24 | Renze | sharp15: kcontrol -> kde components -> component chooser |
| 06:23.24 | wolsni | sharp15: go to KDE Components in KControl and choose the browser you want |
| 06:23.25 | Renze | imagine: if acroread is an example of Adobe's linux skills, they need to hire better coders |
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| 06:23.26 | imagine | Renze: was talkin about flash 9 |
| 06:23.26 | Renze | imagine: that too |
| 06:23.29 | imagine | Renze: it was nto that bad.. maybe they should just release the damn source code.. |
| 06:23.30 | Renze | imagine: that would be a start ;) |
| 06:23.30 | imagine | they'll do it when someone publish it's own work about a flash program that works good under X11 |
| 06:23.30 | Renze | like gnash/ |
| 06:23.31 | Renze | ? |
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| 06:23.35 | imagine | Renze: is it good? |
| 06:23.36 | imagine | based on GTK+ I suppose |
| 06:23.36 | Renze | no idea, never tried it |
| 06:23.37 | Renze | the gn is for gnu |
| 06:23.37 | wolsni | it's good enough for ads, but nothing interesting has worked for me :( |
| 06:23.37 | Renze | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash |
| 06:23.38 | SAS_Spidey01 | GNU Generally Not Useful ? hehe |
| 06:23.39 | wolsni | but gnash is not yet one of them |
| 06:23.40 | imagine | KDE is GPL'ed ? (QT issue is now GPL'ed right?) |
| 06:23.41 | imagine | SAS_Spidey01: hahaaha |
| 06:23.41 | SAS_Spidey01 | Well I love GCC, GDB, the Diffs e.t.c. but I rather don't care much for the 'GNU' Operating System |
| 06:23.43 | Renze | not following the Hurd, eh? |
| 06:23.43 | troy | imagine: KDE is GPL, LGPL, Artistic, BSD, etc. etc. depending on what component you are talking about, and who wrote it... |
| 06:24.18 | SAS_Spidey01 | I'll stick with some thing a little more to my tastes Renze |
| 06:24.18 | Renze | SAS_Spidey01: me too |
| 06:24.18 | SAS_Spidey01 | :-) |
| 06:24.19 | troy | anyway, night guys... |
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| 06:24.19 | imagine | troy: :) thx and (while I'm reading the GPL) can you modify it and sell your mods? or your modification has to be GPL'ed as well? |
| 06:24.19 | Renze | nite troy-ZzZz |
| 06:24.20 | SAS_Spidey01 | nighter |
| 06:24.21 | imagine | :( |
| 06:24.21 | imagine | nite |
| 06:24.21 | wolsni | I'm not an expert, but I believe that the main requirement is that any modifications you distribute include the source or make it available |
| 06:24.21 | troy-ZzZz | imagine: have to be GPL as well - the so called viral aspect to the GPL... |
| 06:24.22 | imagine | hahah |
| 06:24.22 | imagine | ty man |
| 06:24.22 | SAS_Spidey01 | Well the whole world can't use the X11/MIT license... |
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| 06:24.27 | Hydrogen | it could |
| 06:24.27 | Hydrogen | :) |
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| 06:24.30 | SAS_Spidey01 | would kinda beet the MSL, MPL, QPL, GPL, BSDL, GNRCSL, and friends |
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| 06:24.54 | sinthetek | but for some reason when i try to drag-n-drop them via konqueror, it is saying 'no such file or directory' |
| 06:24.58 | merlin1234 | windows partition on same computer or different computer ? |
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| 06:26.47 | morghanphoenix | Or maybe a corner monitor to put above my panel? |
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| 06:50.35 | saub | 大家好 |
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| 06:51.20 | saub | 大家好～～ |
| 08:05.51 | saub | hello? |
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| 08:05.53 | saub | hello |
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| 08:05.55 | Borg^Queen | Hi people. Does anyone know how to mount a mac hfsplug FW external drive so its writable? |
| 08:05.55 | Borg^Queen | I can mount it but only as RO |
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| 08:07.14 | Shirakawasuna | ey, 3.5.6 |
| 08:07.14 | Shirakawasuna | I didn't notice there was a new version ;) |
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| 08:08.30 | Shirakawasuna | sounds delicious |
| 08:08.30 | Shirakawasuna | I want nachos |
| 08:08.30 | Shirakawasuna | ooh, and I have salsa, too |
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| 08:08.44 | sabayonuser | what are the first 20 digits of pi? |
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| 08:11.50 | thiago | 3.141592653589793238 |
| 08:11.53 | thiago | not sure if there are 20 there |
| 08:12.35 | sabayonuser | no its not 20 |
| 08:12.50 | sabayonuser | now recite it backwards in latin |
| 08:13.28 | thiago | and since when are you my boss? |
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| 08:17.12 | Anonycat | Is anyone familiar with the Crystal window decorator? |
| 08:18.54 | Anonycat | the window decorator says that mouse wheel scroll on a title bar moves to previous/next window unless this feature is disabled...how do I disable it? |
| 08:19.15 | Anonycat | I don't really see it doing much good, and in any case it makes Aquamarine crash whenever I do it |
| 08:20.26 | thiago | Alt+F3, Configure Window Settings, Actions |
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| 08:22.52 | Anonycat | Titlebar Wheel Event is set to "Nothing" |
| 08:22.57 | thiago | same here |
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| 08:23.05 | Anonycat | and it still kills Aquamarine when I scroll on a title |
| 08:23.13 | thiago | report it as a bug then |
| 08:24.44 | thiago | with the crash backtrace pasted |
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| 08:25.03 | Anonycat | component would be "kdesktop"? |
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| 08:25.43 | thiago | no, it would be Aquamarine |
| 08:25.57 | thiago | I don't think it's in the KDE Bugzilla |
| 08:26.12 | thiago | which program exactly crashed? |
| 08:26.15 | jnmbk | hi, how does kde suspend to disk without being root? (which command does it use) |
| 08:26.34 | Jucato | thiago: <Anonycat> and it still kills Aquamarine when I scroll on a title |
| 08:26.48 | thiago | Jucato: it uses a setuid root program |
| 08:26.59 | Jucato | O.o |
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| 08:26.59 | thiago | oops |
| 08:27.02 | Jucato | :D |
| 08:27.05 | jnmbk | :) |
| 08:27.09 | thiago | jnmbk: it uses a setuid root program, or via HAL |
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| 08:27.24 | thiago | Jucato: Aquamarine looks like a project name to me, not a process name |
| 08:28.25 | Jucato | thiago: it's the Beryl window decoration that lets you use kwin window decorations |
| 08:28.30 | Jucato | and it's also a process name :) |
| 08:30.22 | thiago | with a capital A? |
| 08:31.27 | Jucato | the process name? nah. "aquamarine" |
| 08:31.45 | Jucato | I'm not as case-sensitive as Linux :) |
| 09:23.30 | Renze | ThEn YoU dOn'T fInD tHiS oFfEnSiVe? |
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| 09:23.40 | Jucato | Renze: not at all, coming from you |
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| 09:23.40 | Renze | gee... thanks... I think... |
| 09:23.40 | Jucato | Renze: it means, I know you too much to be offended by something I can't easily read :) |
| 09:23.41 | Jucato | what happened to the salsa? |
| 09:23.41 | Renze | all gone |
| 09:23.41 | Jucato | :( |
| 09:23.42 | Renze | *burp* |
| 09:23.42 | Jucato | :D |
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| 09:23.43 | Renze | ☠burp ☠|
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| 09:23.47 | Steven_M | is there anyway to emulate the kind of ansi needed to connected to ansi telnet server? |
| 09:23.52 | thiago | Konsole does that |
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| 09:23.52 | Renze | shouldn't it just be a matter of setting the TERM env variable? |
| 09:23.52 | thiago | no |
| 09:23.52 | thiago | the TERM is set by the terminal |
| 09:23.53 | thiago | don't change it |
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| 09:24.20 | oFF-beAt | hi i dunno where else to ask this question.. i've tried #kubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic as well |
| 09:24.20 | oFF-beAt | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6194/ |
| 09:24.21 | oFF-beAt | here is my problem |
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| 09:24.23 | thiago | ask your question instead of giving us a URL |
| 09:24.23 | thiago | but don't flood |
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| 09:24.27 | oFF-beAt | thiago, that's the konsole output.. i'm having trouble kamin the configure script of kmess cvs it keeps tellin me i need autoconf 2.53 or newer while i have 2.60 |
| 09:24.27 | oFF-beAt | *making |
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| 09:24.53 | thiago | ah, you need to upgrade the admin scripts |
| 09:24.53 | rabauke | hello! What do I have to put into "service" if I want konversation to autoidentify me, when connecting to a server? |
| 09:24.53 | thiago | but you seem to be a developer |
| 09:24.53 | thiago | rabauke: probably nickserv |
| 09:24.54 | rabauke | that does not work, I tried nickserv and the whole /msg ... |
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| 09:24.56 | Renze | rabauke: "nickserv" works for me |
| 09:24.56 | Renze | rabauke: please note it will not work if you're already connected... it responds to nickserv messages when you connect |
| 09:24.58 | rabauke | Renze: just nickserv and the password in the field next to it, then I disconnect and re-connect. Let me try again. |
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| 09:24.59 | Renze | rabauke: it also won't work on any networks that don't have a nickserv |
| 09:25.01 | rabauke | well it should for freenode :) |
| 09:25.02 | Renze | yes, it works perfectly on freenode here |
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| 09:26.24 | rabauke | Renze: strange, it does work, maybe I got a blank or typo in nickserv before. |
| 09:27.07 | rabauke | thanks anyway |
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| 09:27.11 | Renze | no problem |
| 09:27.54 | Steven_M | thiago: the chars aren't being displays right? |
| 09:28.19 | thiago | Steven_M: hmm? |
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| 09:31.03 | Steven_M | thiago do i need to apply an ANSI font? |
| 09:31.16 | thiago | Steven_M: you don't need to do anything. |
| 09:31.38 | Steven_M | well it's not working |
| 09:32.32 | Steven_M | no Linux user seems to know how to do it. |
| 09:32.49 | thiago | that's because what you're asking doesn't make much sense |
| 09:33.02 | thiago | all terminals on Linux and other Unix are ANSI-capable |
| 09:33.08 | thiago | they all respect the ANSI escape sequences |
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| 09:36.08 | Steven_M | I'm talking about wanting to connect to telnet ANSI servers who use ansi chars to make primitive pictures. |
| 09:36.39 | thiago | and what's the problem? |
| 09:37.08 | thiago | can you connect? Or something doesn't look right? If so, what exactly? |
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| 09:38.17 | Steven_M | all the chars that form the pictures are jumbled |
| 09:39.12 | thiago | can you give me an example? |
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| 09:40.15 | Steven_M | not really, you have to know what it should look like |
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| 09:41.06 | bluestorm | hmm |
| 09:41.16 | Renze | Steven_M: seeing Ä instead of ▄ ? |
| 09:41.22 | bluestorm | i'd like to try to use kalyptus |
| 09:42.05 | bluestorm | i installed it but i don't know how to use it |
| 09:42.26 | bluestorm | there is a executable in my /usr/kde/share/apps/dcopidlng |
| 09:42.30 | thiago | Steven_M: so how do you know it doesn't look right? |
| 09:42.41 | bluestorm | but i get an error message : kalyptus: unsupported format 'java'. |
| 09:42.54 | bluestorm | do you know where to get some doc or something ? |
| 09:43.00 | jindal | hey guys, my am doing a academic project on pc based oscilloscope....... and need to display dynamic & interactive graphs to show waveforms... is this possible with qt library? |
| 09:43.24 | thiago | jindal: yes |
| 09:43.40 | jindal | thiago, plz elaborate a little |
| 09:44.25 | thiago | jindal: yes, Qt allows you to do that. |
| 09:44.26 | thiago | :-) |
| 09:45.01 | thiago | and you can make things as interactive as you want them to be |
| 09:45.35 | bluestorm | aha, a README comes with the source |
| 09:45.38 | jindal | thiago: okey any suggestions for articles(myself have some experience in GUI programming using java) |
| 09:45.41 | bluestorm | let's rtfm :p |
| 09:46.03 | Steven_M | Renze: I'm seeing ? enclosed in near circles |
| 09:46.11 | thiago | jindal: there are some very good books on programming with Qt. The examples and demos in Qt source code help too. |
| 09:46.25 | Renze | Steven_M: weird |
| 09:46.35 | jindal | thiago: oks thanks for your help :) |
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| 09:48.48 | Steven_M | thiago: cause it works fine in mtelnet with windows and my mac client |
| 09:49.03 | thiago | Steven_M: so you know what it looks like |
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| 09:49.25 | Steven_M | thiago: yes |
| 09:49.40 | thiago | can you give me an example of something that is displayed wrong? |
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| 09:52.01 | thiago | if you give me the byte sequences that are sent and what should be displayed, it should be fine |
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| 09:53.49 | Steven_M | well at one point it should display a cloud with lightning |
| 09:53.59 | Steven_M | instead i get |
| 09:55.36 | Steven_M | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.42 | Steven_M | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.42 | Steven_M | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.42 | Steven_M | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.42 | Steven_M | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.45 | Steven_M | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:56.28 | thiago | could you not flood? |
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| 09:56.53 | thiago | it says so in the topic |
| 09:56.58 | thiago | paste to the paste bin |
| 09:57.03 | Steven_M | sorry |
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| 09:57.34 | satnone | ok i deleted my desktop folder and now i recrated it but cant make it work again |
| 09:57.36 | Steven_M | any idea how how to fix it? |
| 09:57.39 | oGALAXYo | Steven_M: make sure you exported the correct TERM |
| 09:57.49 | oGALAXYo | echo $TERM |
| 09:57.53 | oGALAXYo | and tell us what it says. |
| 09:58.04 | satnone | how do i get it to act as the desktop again |
| 09:58.14 | thiago | Steven_M: paste to the pastebin so I can check the byte sequences |
| 09:58.47 | Renze | satnone: kcontrol -> desktop -> behaviour, make sure "show icons on desktop" is ticked |
| 09:59.23 | Steven_M | XTERM |
| 09:59.32 | thiago | Steven_M: try setting your Konsole encoding to Latin 1 |
| 09:59.35 | satnone | Renze: its ticked |
| 09:59.41 | satnone | but i deleted the folder |
| 09:59.45 | satnone | and recreated it |
| 09:59.50 | Renze | satnone: and there is a kdesktop process running? |
| 10:00.00 | satnone | um |
| 10:00.01 | satnone | not sure |
| 10:00.06 | Renze | satnone: ps ax | grep kdesktop |
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| 10:00.51 | satnone | ok |
| 10:00.58 | satnone | what am i looking for |
| 10:01.15 | Renze | satnone: a line that contains kdesktop [kdeinit] |
| 10:01.19 | satnone | yeah |
| 10:01.22 | satnone | thats there |
| 10:01.48 | Renze | satnone: what exactly is wrong, and what are you expecting? |
| 10:02.14 | Renze | satnone: you do realise recreating the directory will not magically recreate the icons you also deleted, yes? |
| 10:02.24 | satnone | yeah i had no icons |
| 10:02.27 | jamesots | satnone: do you have a .directory file in ~/Directory? |
| 10:02.36 | satnone | i just cant create anything on the desktop anymore |
| 10:02.41 | Steven_M | thiago: doesn't seem to be in the list |
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| 10:03.02 | satnone | no but it still worked fine without it |
| 10:03.12 | satnone | just stopped working after i delted the whole folder |
| 10:03.15 | Renze | satnone: maybe you need to logout/login? |
| 10:03.23 | satnone | yeah i was thinking that |
| 10:03.27 | satnone | lemme try |
| 10:03.35 | satnone | how do i get to the trashcan |
| 10:03.39 | thiago | Steven_M: "West Europe (iso-8859-1)" |
| 10:03.41 | satnone | i deleted taht icon too |
| 10:03.57 | Renze | satnone: right click, create new -> link to location, and put trash:/ as the URL |
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| 10:04.20 | Renze | satnone: you will have to alter the file to get it working properly though |
| 10:04.48 | Renze | satnone: you need to add this line: EmptyIcon=trashcan_empty |
| 10:05.22 | Steven_M | thiago: http://pastebin.com/882900 |
| 10:05.41 | satnone | hmm trash:/ isnt giving me the option to say ok |
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| 10:05.54 | satnone | oh duh |
| 10:05.55 | Renze | satnone: give it a name too: Trash |
| 10:05.58 | satnone | haha |
| 10:06.02 | satnone | yeah i figured that |
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| 10:10.58 | Steven_M | thiago: the encoding was an improvement, but still not good |
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| 10:12.53 | satnone | can i mount a samba share to the desktop directory |
| 10:13.34 | satnone | by the way logging out and back in fixed it |
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| 10:15.24 | Steven_M | thiago: Renze: there are char where there should be blocks of color etc |
| 10:16.07 | wally345 | How to run "Kayali" on KDE 3.5.6 ? (it needs Qt4 !) |
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| 10:17.02 | annma | wally345: it needs only Qt4 or also KDE4? |
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| 10:17.51 | wally345 | annma: i hope just Qt4 and maxima, this is in the INSTALL |
| 10:18.37 | wally345 | annma: I have some libsqt4 already installed but this is not qt4 i think (?) |
| 10:18.46 | annma | well it shold be |
| 10:19.07 | annma | you need to point the PATH to qt4/bin |
| 10:19.27 | Steven_M | thiago: Renze: any ideas? |
| 10:19.35 | annma | do you compile this Kayali? |
| 10:19.40 | wally345 | annma: during configure kayali ? |
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| 10:19.56 | Renze | Steven_M: sorry, none... never telnetted into an ANSI server before |
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| 10:20.22 | Steven_M | Renze: nevermind |
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| 10:21.52 | satnone | can i make the contents of one directory show in another directory |
| 10:22.34 | oGALAXYo | satnone: no... you can link from one dir to another. but thats probably not what you want. |
| 10:23.41 | satnone | all my windows computers have a common desktop |
| 10:23.55 | satnone | i just wanted to try to give my linux system the same desktop |
| 10:23.59 | wally345 | annma: in /usr/lib/qt4 are only demos/ and plugin/ subdirectories |
| 10:24.23 | satnone | i guess the best i can do is jsut mount my windows desktop as /desktop or something |
| 10:24.24 | annma | install qt4-devel packages |
| 10:25.27 | wally345 | annma: just the qt4-devel not qt4 ? |
| 10:25.40 | annma | all qt4 packages |
| 10:25.49 | annma | ask in your distro |
| 10:25.50 | pinotree | wally345: of course the qt4-devel will install also qt4 as dependancy |
| 10:26.15 | wally345 | annma: ok, hope to find them |
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| 10:27.10 | annma | wally345: what distro? |
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| 10:29.34 | sredna | satnone: kde keeps the desktop in ~/Desktop |
| 10:29.50 | satnone | yeah i know |
| 10:30.25 | satnone | i just mount my common windows desktop (on my server) to /desktop |
| 10:30.30 | satnone | just so i can access it |
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| 10:30.40 | satnone | i wished i could make it my actual desktop |
| 10:30.42 | satnone | but oh well |
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| 10:31.37 | sredna | satnone: you can't expect kde to just translate your windows icons, or provide the exact same functionality |
| 10:31.55 | satnone | files |
| 10:32.01 | satnone | i dont care about icons |
| 11:30.06 | sredna | satnone: write a script to symlink files at login :) |
| 11:30.09 | satnone | is that a lot different than using the fstab file |
| 11:30.10 | satnone | i tried mounting to ~/desktop |
| 11:30.10 | satnone | but as soon as i logged in i guess that took over |
| 11:30.11 | sredna | satnone: mount your directory to ~/Desktop then, but in that case you loose the KDE icons |
| 11:30.12 | satnone | yeah the mount jsut dissapears |
| 11:30.13 | satnone | and the desktop functions normally |
| 11:30.13 | sredna | hm, at some point the desktop path was configurable |
| 11:30.13 | satnone | i copied the icons to the common desktop of mine |
| 11:30.14 | satnone | sredna: that would be nice |
| 11:30.14 | satnone | that would probably do the job |
| 11:30.15 | sredna | it could still be, i just never used it |
| 11:30.17 | satnone | where would i find that conf at |
| 11:30.17 | satnone | as u can tell im a long time windows person |
| 11:30.18 | satnone | new to linux |
| 11:30.18 | sredna | gtg |
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| 11:30.47 | luca | Hi to all |
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| 11:30.48 | luca | I'm developing a qt application and I need to have a fullscreen window when opening |
| 11:30.48 | luca | can u tell me how to do? |
| 11:30.51 | Jucato__ | luca: try #qt or #kde-devel (I'd go for the former since it's a Qt app) |
| 11:30.51 | luca | ok, thanks |
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| 11:30.53 | thiago | luca: you need some KDE libraries to do that |
| 11:30.54 | pinotree | thiago: not really |
| 11:30.54 | pinotree | in kpdf we use QDialog and its showfullscreen to do that |
| 11:30.56 | thiago | ah, there it is |
| 11:30.57 | thiago | Qt::WindowStates |
| 11:30.58 | luca | thanks, now I try |
| 11:31.00 | Renze | Jucato: that could be tomorrow if you start now ;) |
| 11:31.01 | Jucato | Renze: yeah.. but I'm waiting for my migraine to subside... |
| 11:31.03 | Jucato | you have your moods, I have my migraine... :( |
| 11:31.04 | Renze | moods? there is only one |
| 11:31.04 | Jucato | tried that... only gave me a slight concussion :P |
| 11:31.05 | jindal | hey guys how to run the demos in qtdemo... am able to select a demo but cant start it |
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| 11:31.08 | pinotree | jindal: #qt |
| 11:31.09 | jindal | oks |
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| 11:31.15 | sredna | hm, does anybody here know if kdiff3 is actually a working app? because kompare is obviously not good for anything but viewing diffs |
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| 11:31.21 | Jucato | sredna: I've used it once or twice last month, irrc |
| 11:31.21 | Jucato | iirc* |
| 11:31.21 | sredna | appearently it does not read diff files :( |
| 11:31.22 | Jucato | oh |
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| 11:31.25 | sredna | no :( |
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| 11:31.27 | wally345 | i need to install Python-qt4 and -sip 4.5 but it conflicts with file from package python-qt-3.5.6-22.5 |
| 11:31.28 | wally345 | may i force the install ? |
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| 11:31.29 | Renze | wally345: never assume we all use the same distro as you |
| 11:31.30 | wally345 | Renze: so its just a distro problem ? |
| 11:31.31 | Renze | packages are always a distro problem |
| 11:31.31 | Jucato | yep |
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| 11:31.32 | Renze | kde is released as source code only... packages are up to the distros |
| 11:31.32 | wally345 | ok, thx |
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| 11:31.43 | Renze | I think I'll just crawl into bed and read until I get sleepy |
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| 11:31.48 | annma | what kind of a nick is reallove |
| 11:31.49 | pinotree | annma: valentine's day leftover |
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| 11:31.50 | annma | lol |
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| 11:35.38 | Daverocks | where does the kcontrol mouse module look when it looks for cursor themes? |
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| 11:46.21 | logixoul | Daverocks: ~/.icons |
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| 11:46.27 | truent | im guessing that running amarok in a gnome environment causes my cpu to go nuts because its meant for kde? or is that just amarok |
| 11:46.43 | logixoul | it's not supposed to happen |
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| 11:46.49 | logixoul | amarok supports gnome |
| 11:46.53 | Daverocks | logixoul: thanks. my ~/.icons is empty, but i discovered it's looking in /usr/share/icons |
| 11:46.53 | logixoul | ask at #amarok |
| 11:46.59 | truent | k |
| 11:47.05 | truent | it works.. just cpu intensive |
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| 11:48.07 | alfatau | hello, can i set kontact to create a new folder group per account like thunderbird does? howto? |
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| 11:49.03 | sredna | alfatau: you can select a inbox folder in the account settings |
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| 11:50.04 | sredna | alfatau: you have to create the folder manually |
| 11:51.19 | alfatau | sredna: mmhh... and what kind of folder? mbox or mailaddr? |
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| 11:51.35 | alfatau | sredna: (maildir) |
| 11:51.54 | sredna | alfatau: you can select type when creating the folder |
| 11:52.11 | alfatau | sredna: i know, but, what's the difference? |
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| 11:52.48 | sredna | alfatau: with maildir, your mails are individual files, while mbox creates one huge file. imo, maildir is by far the best format |
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| 11:54.28 | alfatau | sredna: ok, and may i do the same for sent/draft messages to differenciate accounts? i can't create a new folder per account having the same inbox/sent/draft... ?? |
| 11:56.13 | sredna | alfatau: you can set up folders to use a special sent mail directory |
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| 11:56.49 | alfatau | sredna: what do you intend? |
| 11:58.04 | sredna | alfatau: the best way is to create an identity for the account, that allows to specify sent mail/draft and template folders |
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| 11:58.28 | sredna | alfatau: you still need to create the directories |
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| 12:00.18 | sredna | alfatau: kmail uses the global sent mail/draft folders pr default, if you can accept that it's fine |
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| 12:10.27 | Jucato | Sho_: you use Kopete? |
| 12:11.57 | Jucato | anyway, presuming that you do, I can't seem to use my scroll wheel in Kopete's contact list when using Domino |
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| 12:15.53 | Sho_ | Jucato: yup, for Jabber |
| 12:16.08 | Sho_ | Jucato: Hm you're right ... this definitely worked before, seems like a recent regression :/ |
| 12:16.22 | Jucato | :( |
| 12:17.07 | Jucato | just realized it a while ago... |
| 12:18.22 | Sho_ | Jucato: Go into the Domino style config and disable the smooth scrolling |
| 12:19.09 | Jucato | kool! that's better. thanks :) |
| 12:19.11 | Sho_ | As a workaround for now |
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| 12:29.14 | mahesh | annma:hi |
| 12:29.22 | annma | hi! |
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| 12:33.13 | AciD | hi |
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| 12:35.39 | AciD | I don t understand why the dead keys aren t working anymore (since I tried to install chinese scim). Whenever I want to type quote or accentuated character, I must switch to -select input method -> SCIM (XIM is the default), but then I can t even type double quote.. |
| 12:36.03 | AciD | I m using the English U.S. (intl) layout |
| 12:36.11 | thiago | if you remove the SCIM, what happens? |
| 12:36.18 | JohnFlux | maybe they died |
| 12:36.23 | AciD | let s retry |
| 12:36.29 | thiago | lol |
| 12:36.38 | Jucato | heh :) |
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| 12:38.33 | mahesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.09 | Sho_ | Domino is in Gentoo now, btw, for those who use that distro |
| 12:39.20 | mahesh | which channel can help me ? |
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| 12:40.31 | Jucato | Sho_: are you slightly responsible for Domino being in Gentoo that quickly? :D |
| 12:41.19 | mahesh | annma: Do u hve any idea ?? |
| 12:41.32 | Sho_ | Jucato: Let's just say the commit message features my name ;) |
| 12:41.43 | annma | mahesh: no, I am null in hardware |
| 12:41.46 | Frogbarf | I am looking for information on a bug in kmail where some new messages appear blank until they are moved to another folder. I don't see anything in the kde bug tracking system, but i have a suspicion it's already known. |
| 12:41.47 | Jucato | Sho_: :D |
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| 12:42.08 | thiago | Frogbarf: my first idea is that your index is corrupt |
| 12:42.20 | Sho_ | Jucato: I also poked Debian though |
| 12:42.35 | Jucato | heh |
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| 12:42.52 | Frogbarf | thiago: it only happens sometime. Is there a way to rebuild the index? |
| 12:43.02 | thiago | Frogbarf: is that an IMAP mailbox? |
| 12:43.22 | Frogbarf | no |
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| 12:43.28 | Frogbarf | it's a pop account to my ips |
| 12:43.31 | Frogbarf | isp |
| 12:43.46 | thiago | try compacting it |
| 12:44.02 | Frogbarf | just that one folder? |
| 12:44.04 | thiago | if that doesn't solve, you can try to remove the index files |
| 12:44.04 | thiago | yes |
| 12:44.09 | AciD | seems it hasn t changed anything thiago |
| 12:44.13 | Frogbarf | done |
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| 12:44.29 | thiago | AciD: what layout are you now on? |
| 12:44.45 | AciD | oddly enough, I still have the choice of choosing SCIM or XIM |
| 12:44.54 | AciD | still english U.S (intl) |
| 12:45.07 | thiago | run xev on a terminal and press the apostrophe key |
| 12:45.29 | AciD | to be sure I typed : setxkbmap us_intl |
| 12:46.02 | AciD | what s odd is that accentued char are ok whenever I type them in non-kde apps (ie, gnome-term) |
| 12:46.06 | AciD | but not in konsole |
| 12:46.08 | AciD | :\ |
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| 12:47.23 | thiago | us_intl doesn't exist anymore |
| 12:47.42 | AciD | http://rafb.net/p/HeFlzN40.html |
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| 12:47.51 | AciD | oh, since a long time ? |
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| 12:51.26 | AciD | ah and one more thing, when I launch kde apps from a console |
| 12:51.26 | AciD | I always get those message lately : QInputContext: no input method context available |
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| 12:52.03 | JohnFlux | AciD: that's scim |
| 12:52.56 | AciD | JohnFlux > I just apt-get removed it and killed X |
| 12:53.15 | AciD | dpkg -l|grep scim returns nil |
| 12:53.20 | JohnFlux | AciD: why bother? it shouldn't cause any problems |
| 12:53.26 | JohnFlux | and removed skim? |
| 12:53.31 | AciD | yes |
| 12:54.17 | AciD | I don t get why the dead keys aren t used in kde apps while they are in gtk one for instance |
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| 13:04.09 | AciD | it s a test |
| 13:04.12 | AciD | :( |
| 13:06.15 | sredna | AciD: make sure your keyboard layout settings in kde control center are correct |
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| 13:08.45 | AciD | http://ac1d.free.fr/mouais/kb_layout_pb_01.png |
| 13:08.50 | AciD | everything seems fine |
| 13:08.52 | AciD | :\ |
| 13:11.43 | sredna | AciD: i don't think the us-en layout uses dead keys |
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| 13:12.15 | sredna | AciD: but then i never used it :) |
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| 13:14.11 | AciD | the intl variant does, normally |
| 13:15.17 | sredna | AciD: did you try with a clean user account? |
| 13:15.19 | AciD | seems like nobody here use the us layout with dead keys :) |
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| 13:15.28 | AciD | no |
| 13:15.46 | AciD | perhaps I should, but it wouldn t solve my pb |
| 13:16.29 | sredna | AciD: no, but it will ensure that the problem can be solved |
| 13:17.05 | sredna | AciD: and you'd have a configuration to compare with |
| 13:17.36 | AciD | to be honest, I don t see why it should be impossible to use dead keys with us layout :| specially because it worked like 3 months ago, but i ll try anyway |
| 13:17.49 | AciD | my ~/.kde directory is 120MB big :\ |
| 13:17.57 | sredna | AciD: if it used to be possible, it *is* possible |
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| 13:18.25 | thiago | AciD: sorry, back now |
| 13:18.31 | sredna | AciD: it's just a question of finding the problem |
| 13:18.33 | thiago | AciD: testing dead keys here made X crash |
| 13:18.39 | AciD | :o |
| 13:18.53 | thiago | AciD: anyways, if you run xev and press the apostrophe key, do you see "dead_acute" ? |
| 13:19.31 | AciD | thiago > yes : state 0x0, keycode 48 (keysym 0xfe51, dead_acute), same_screen YES, |
| 13:19.44 | thiago | looks ok |
| 13:19.47 | AciD | http://rafb.net/p/HeFlzN40.html |
| 13:20.02 | thiago | and if you press ' then a, you don't see á? |
| 13:20.24 | AciD | if I press ' then e, I only see e |
| 13:20.39 | AciD | (i had to copy paste your ' there) |
| 13:20.53 | thiago | I see |
| 13:20.57 | thiago | what's the value of your $LANG? |
| 13:21.03 | AciD | lemme check |
| 13:21.16 | AciD | fr_FR@euro |
| 13:21.30 | AciD | which is good as far as I know |
| 13:22.00 | thiago | it's not UTF-8 |
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| 13:22.10 | AciD | yep, It s on purpose |
| 13:22.18 | thiago | run "locale". Do you see any of the items different than fr_FR@euro? |
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| 13:22.55 | AciD | no, but LC_ALL= is empty |
| 13:23.02 | thiago | no worries on that one |
| 13:23.06 | thiago | why are you not using UTF-8? |
| 13:23.06 | Centinul | what folder controls the fonts and such for K3b and amaroK |
| 13:23.21 | thiago | Centinul: ~/.kde/share/config/ |
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| 13:23.57 | AciD | mostly because my other debian systems arent using it, and when I use things like sshfs, It used to fuxorise the directories and filenames with accent |
| 13:23.59 | Centinul | thiago: I'm there... what am I looking for? |
| 13:24.11 | thiago | Centinul: the kdeglobals file |
| 13:24.26 | Centinul | thiago: I don't want to lose my app configurations but I want the fonts and stuff to go back to normal |
| 13:24.33 | thiago | Centinul: define "normal"? |
| 13:24.49 | Centinul | uh... default |
| 13:24.59 | thiago | AciD: does the euro symbol work for you? |
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| 13:25.15 | thiago | Centinul: why don't you use the KDE Control Center? |
| 13:25.24 | Centinul | I don't run KDE anymore |
| 13:25.26 | AciD | :\ |
| 13:25.34 | thiago | Centinul: and that affects you how? |
| 13:25.41 | thiago | Centinul: fire up the KDE Control Center and change the fonts there. |
| 13:25.51 | AciD | ¤ yes |
| 13:26.03 | thiago | AciD: that's not an euro symbol |
| 13:26.07 | Centinul | amaroK and K3B still grabs the settings from KDE config |
| 13:26.16 | AciD | oh, I is for me :o |
| 13:26.19 | AciD | it |
| 13:26.21 | thiago | AciD: please switch your IRC client to UTF-8 |
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| 13:26.34 | thiago | Centinul: "still"? They've never been different. |
| 13:26.57 | Centinul | basically I want to reset the UI, but I don't want to lose my application settings |
| 13:27.01 | AciD | thiago > as soon as I find out how :) |
| 13:27.11 | thiago | AciD: anyways, I don't really know what it could be. |
| 13:27.20 | Centinul | I only run two apps that depend on kdelibs and that is amarok and k3b |
| 13:27.30 | AciD | me neither, that s why I got this pb for 3 months now.. :\ |
| 13:27.32 | thiago | AciD: I know Qt uses some special mode Composition settings to support entry of Unicode characters directly |
| 13:27.46 | thiago | AciD: I highly recommend using an UTF-8 locale to get around those hacks |
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| 13:28.02 | thiago | Centinul: right. So, install kcontrol, change the settings. |
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| 13:28.18 | thiago | Centinul: I can tell you what to look for in kdeglobals, but I cannot be held responsible for making problems worse. |
| 13:28.39 | Centinul | thiago: Thanks for the help. I just move the kdeglobals file |
| 13:28.49 | AciD | !charset utf-8 |
| 13:28.58 | thiago | AciD: not that :-) |
| 13:29.02 | AciD | :( |
| 13:29.08 | thiago | try with a / instead of ! |
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| 13:30.10 | AciD | I tried, doesn t seems to have changed anything |
| 13:30.12 | AciD | ¤ test |
| 13:30.15 | AciD | euro ? |
| 13:30.50 | pinotree | € ? |
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| 13:31.19 | AciD | I see nothing intelligible :\ |
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| 15:03.27 | floe | hi all |
| 15:03.30 | huwnet | hi |
| 15:03.31 | floe | is it possible to view svg files in konqui? I have ksvg installed but konqueror doesn't show the svg file correctly... with svgdisplay I can only see a part of the image (no scrollbars)... |
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| 15:03.37 | Schuenemann | is there a program that can mount a virtual CD drive, like windows alcohol 120% does? |
| 15:05.38 | thiago | what is a virtual CD drive? |
| 15:05.38 | pipitas | Schuenemann: no need for an extra program -- just mount the iso image directly: "mount -o loop /path/to/iso-image.iso /path/to/mountpoint" |
| 15:05.38 | floe | Schuenemann: I think this isn't a kde related question, but if you want to mount an iso try "mount myiso.iso /mnt/iso/ -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0" |
| 15:05.39 | Schuenemann | hmm ok, thanks |
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| 15:06.25 | lynxlynxlynx | ojla |
| 15:06.27 | lynxlynxlynx | trying to use a backreference in the search&replace dialog in kwrite 3.5.6, but can't make it work |
| 15:06.27 | lynxlynxlynx | for both () and \(\) it doesn't reckognize it |
| 15:06.27 | lynxlynxlynx | Your replacement string is referencing a capture greater than '\0', but your pattern defines no captures. |
| 15:06.27 | lynxlynxlynx | it's not available from that dropdown list either |
| 15:06.33 | lynxlynxlynx | ah, nevermind |
| 15:06.34 | sredna | lynxlynxlynx: enable the 'use placeholders' checkbox, and use \0 .. \9 (where \0 is teh entire matched string) |
| 15:06.34 | lynxlynxlynx | had something else unescaped, so the pattern ended before it came to the relevant part |
| 15:06.36 | sredna | ;) |
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| 15:06.51 | andy_o | how do I change what the keys used for volume up/volume down and mix in kde |
| 15:06.51 | andy_o | are |
| 15:06.52 | lynxlynxlynx | khotkeys? per application settings? |
| 15:06.52 | andy_o | I want to change from XF86AudioRaiseVolume to something else |
| 15:06.53 | bluelightning | andy_o: KMix window -> Settings -> Configure Global Shortcuts |
| 15:06.53 | andy_o | they're not in their bluelightning |
| 15:06.54 | andy_o | I think they must be somewhere else |
| 15:06.54 | andy_o | when I hit the keys I get a BIG 'VOLUME UP' thing flashing up |
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| 15:06.56 | bluelightning | andy_o: strange... when I open up that screen I can see options to select which keyboard shortcuts are used for master channel up, down and mute |
| 15:06.57 | sredna | andy_o: they are probably activated by kmilo |
| 15:06.57 | thiago | it's kmilo |
| 15:06.57 | andy_o | right |
| 15:06.58 | andy_o | what's kmilo |
| 15:06.58 | sredna | andy_o: just disable kmilo in the kde service manager |
| 15:06.58 | sredna | kmilo is 'KDE special kdy notifier' |
| 15:06.59 | sredna | ~kmilo |
| 15:07.09 | andy_o | system settings? |
| 15:07.09 | sredna | kde components |
| 15:07.09 | MetaMorfoziS | what is kmilo? |
| 15:07.09 | sredna | kmilo is 'KDE special kdy notifier' |
| 15:07.09 | sredna | key |
| 15:07.10 | MetaMorfoziS | hopp sry |
| 15:07.10 | andy_o | so um, how do I get into kde componenets? |
| 15:07.10 | andy_o | sorry, I'm not a big KDE exper! |
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| 15:07.10 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm readed upper |
| 15:07.11 | thiago | KDE Control Center, KDE Components |
| 15:07.11 | ichbinexpert | is the goal of kde4 to be innovative in terms of desktop look and feel |
| 15:07.11 | sredna | andy_o: in the kde controlcenter, KDE Components -> Service Manager |
| 15:07.12 | ichbinexpert | or will it still look like windows |
| 15:07.12 | thiago | ichbinexpert: it'll be an improved KDE |
| 15:07.12 | andy_o | forgive me for my stupidity, but how do I get onto the kde controlcenter |
| 15:07.13 | sredna | my kde doesn't look like Windows, ichbinexpert |
| 15:07.13 | thiago | ichbinexpert: which means it'll innovate, but it won't be radically different. |
| 15:07.13 | ichbinexpert | hmm |
| 15:07.13 | thiago | andy_o: click the K Menu, go to Control Center |
| 15:07.14 | ichbinexpert | i like the mac os x mode of kde |
| 15:07.14 | andy_o | i don't have that thiago |
| 15:07.14 | ichbinexpert | but still |
| 15:07.14 | andy_o | ubuntu edgy |
| 15:07.14 | thiago | andy_o: you don't have a K Menu? |
| 15:07.15 | andy_o | I have a kmenu |
| 15:07.15 | andy_o | but no control center |
| 15:07.15 | ichbinexpert | id love to see something completely new |
| 15:07.15 | thiago | andy_o: right, you don't have the KDE Control CEnter |
| 15:07.15 | Jucato | system settings |
| 15:07.15 | ichbinexpert | start menu and desktop is so old fashioned |
| 15:07.15 | andy_o | I have system settings with about me accessibility and stuff |
| 15:07.15 | thiago | andy_o: go to #kubuntu and ask where to access the KDE Components configuration |
| 15:07.16 | sredna | andy_o: press ALT + F2 and type 'kcontrol' |
| 15:07.16 | Jucato | andy_o: System Settings -> Advanced -> Service Manager |
| 15:07.16 | andy_o | ahh tanks |
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| 15:07.17 | AciD | oi |
| 15:07.17 | sredna | kubuntu *does* install kcontrol, but they don't show the menu item (silly, silly...) |
| 15:07.17 | ichbinexpert | thiago: but the libs and APIs will be better right ? |
| 15:07.18 | andy_o | thanks :) :) :) |
| 15:07.18 | ichbinexpert | support for other than C++ ? |
| 15:07.19 | andy_o | Kmilo has sorted it thanks very much people |
| 15:07.19 | sredna | good, andy_o :) |
| 15:07.19 | ichbinexpert | and i dont mean just for scripting |
| 15:07.19 | andy_o | (using apple bluetooth keyboard) |
| 15:07.20 | thiago | ichbinexpert: yes, they'll be better |
| 15:07.20 | thiago | ichbinexpert: the libraries will still be in C++, but they'll support other languages just like they do now. |
| 15:07.21 | ichbinexpert | thiago: but how good is this support , lets say for C# |
| 15:07.21 | ichbinexpert | is it in a usable state |
| 15:07.21 | ichbinexpert | or Java |
| 15:07.22 | thiago | ichbinexpert: read rdale's blog for more info |
| 15:07.22 | ichbinexpert | im tired of gnomes semi broken libs |
| 15:07.22 | ichbinexpert | thiago: oki |
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| 15:07.23 | andy_o | oh no, my plan has not worked |
| 15:07.24 | andy_o | under amarok, I've put in global shortcuts XF8Raisevolume for shortcut, but that key seems to be disabled:? |
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| 15:07.24 | andy_o | it's enabled under xmodmap, and when I hit the key, amarok recognises it |
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| 15:07.26 | andy_o | but it using that particular key for amarok doesn't seem to work |
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| 15:07.27 | Deformative | Woww, I have been using vim all this time, I didn't know kate was so nice. |
| 15:07.27 | lnxnt | Hello |
| 15:07.28 | lnxnt | something weird happend to me as I was moving a folder |
| 15:07.28 | lnxnt | folder is owned by root with no permissions to others |
| 15:07.28 | lnxnt | so I could not move it |
| 15:07.28 | lnxnt | but I could rename it |
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| 15:07.29 | lnxnt | and now, when I list the folder with ls |
| 15:07.29 | lnxnt | on root account |
| 15:07.29 | lnxnt | I see it is not renamed |
| 15:07.30 | lnxnt | there is another folder with the same name and in root account there are now two folders with the same name |
| 15:07.31 | lnxnt | no no no |
| 15:07.32 | lnxnt | sorry |
| 15:07.32 | lnxnt | the one has a capital letter |
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| 15:07.34 | lnxnt | ok, but on the desktop the one is renamed although i have no permission |
| 15:07.34 | ichbinexpert | thiago: you got a link for that blog ? |
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| 15:07.35 | thiago | ichbinexpert: no. Google for it. |
| 15:07.35 | thiago | lnxnt: could you finish your sentences before you press Enter? |
| 15:07.36 | lnxnt | thiago: sure |
| 15:07.37 | lnxnt | thiago: sorry for that |
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| 15:08.12 | lnxnt | Why can I rename a folder I have no rwx permission? |
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| 15:08.17 | lnxnt | I could rename it something different so the owner can't find it anymore |
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| 15:08.20 | Dr_willis | you got rw perms to the dir the directory is in.. would be my guess |
| 15:08.21 | Dr_willis | cant say that ive ever noticed the issue. |
| 15:08.21 | sredna | lnxnt: you shouldn't be able to, but it's more a problem with your OS than with KDE |
| 15:09.18 | Dr_willis | pegs Desktop Dir ---> -rw-r--r-- 1 peg peg 346 2007-02-17 15:07 |
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| 15:09.23 | Dr_willis | i cant move or rename it as another user. |
| 15:09.58 | Dr_willis | pegs homedir ---> drwxr-xr-x |
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| 15:10.28 | lnxnt | Dr_willis: I do have rwx permissions in the folder /home/safak. The folder I have no permissions is /home/safak/Desktop/testFolder. |
| 15:10.48 | Dr_willis | whats the perms on the Desktop Dir? |
| 15:11.09 | lnxnt | Dr_willis: drwx--x--x |
| 15:12.07 | Dr_willis | Hmm how come my desktopp did dident even have d... |
| 15:12.33 | Dr_willis | there we go.. Desktop is drwxr-xr-x here |
| 15:12.38 | lnxnt | Dr_willis: maybe it is a link ;) |
| 15:12.50 | Dr_willis | with out the r - other users shouldent even beable to read the files in the Desktop dir of that user. |
| 15:13.35 | lnxnt | Dr_willis: yes, you are right. testFolder is owned by root |
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| 15:18.17 | lnxnt | Is permission handled in the kernel? |
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| 15:22.24 | Dr_willis | its a filesystem feature/kernel feature i guess ya can say... |
| 15:22.53 | Dr_willis | but im not convinced you got a bug or a feature that you are misunderstanding. |
| 15:24.33 | Simkin | i thought k3b had the ability to print album covers etc, it does not? |
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| 15:26.39 | sgomes | hi all, I was wondering, is there anything like a vmware image to get a kde4 system up and running for development? |
| 15:26.57 | lnxnt | Dr_willis: we can discuss about this. The worst that can happen is that I change the folder name in a publicly readable folder where you locked your personal one. You won't be able to find it with a search program. |
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| 15:28.06 | Dr_willis | sgomes, not that i have heard of/seen at this time. |
| 15:29.07 | sgomes | Dr_willis: hmm, too bad, looks like I'll have to do it the hard way... thanks |
| 15:29.52 | Dr_willis | sgomes, the mandriva guys had a similer thing in the past.. perhaps do some googling. |
| 15:29.59 | Dr_willis | is kde4 even in that useable a state at this time? |
| 15:30.18 | GraveDigger | no |
| 15:30.27 | sgomes | Dr_willis: oh, no, I meant for development :) |
| 15:30.43 | thiago | Dr_willis: no, it's crashing a lot |
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| 16:49.08 | Dr_willis | thiago, so its can actually give you a 'desktop' to look at? :) even if it only runs for a few min. |
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| 16:49.18 | AlexElliott | Last I heard most of the work had been on the libraries anyway, so there was little new to look at graphics-wise, most of it still using the KDE3 bits |
| 16:49.18 | Dr_willis | yep - build the foundation first... then put on the fancy trim |
| 16:49.20 | thiago | Dr_willis: yes |
| 16:49.21 | thiago | Dr_willis: it looks like KDE3 with a few more glitches |
| 16:49.21 | thiago | and some SVG graphics in selected applications |
| 16:49.22 | sgomes | but are kde devs developing on their production machines? I mean, do they install kde4 side-by-side with something that works, or do they use VM stuff? |
| 16:49.24 | Tm_T | Prolly side by side. |
| 16:49.24 | thiago | sgomes: side by side |
| 16:49.25 | Tm_T | Some ofcourse uses VM but that's when it's needed. |
| 17:22.44 | sgomes | hmm... |
| 17:22.44 | sgomes | I wonder if I can get that to work on gentoo |
| 17:22.45 | thiago | sgomes: probably |
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| 17:22.49 | sgomes | well, I'll give it a try then, let's see how it goes |
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| 17:22.52 | lnxnt | Dr_willis: now I'm confused. |
| 17:22.52 | slyfox | Does anyone here uses Kubuntu ? |
| 17:22.53 | lnxnt | Dr_willis: I have to test this again. But I could remove the folder too |
| 17:22.54 | annma | slyfox: #kubuntu |
| 17:22.58 | lnxnt | Dr_willis: if you place a personal folder with no permission for group and others into a folder where someone has execute permission, he can rename and remove it. |
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| 17:23.05 | Dr_willis | lnxnt, you got me confused a long time ago. :) |
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| 18:09.09 | Trollinator | Hi, i have a problem with konqueror. In the icon view, it normally shows small preview images of jpeg files |
| 18:09.10 | Trollinator | but now i have a few jpegs where this doesn't work. |
| 18:09.11 | Trollinator | but they are definately OK, i can view them with gwenview or whatever |
| 18:09.11 | annma | are they too big? |
| 18:09.12 | Trollinator | 2.x MB each |
| 18:09.13 | Trollinator | is that the reason? |
| 18:09.17 | KRF | someone else has troubles with kword-1.6.1 in conjunction with freefonts fonts? i can't print them; it gives me a blank page |
| 18:09.18 | annma | look in konqueror settings |
| 18:09.18 | annma | Trollinator: and set the preview size >2Mb |
| 18:09.19 | Trollinator | oh, thanks |
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| 21:46.50 | oGALAXYo | rokfit: try asking in #koffice |
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| 21:49.07 | LionKMP | hi! I am trying to build a kde program, can someone help? files which has .ui, gets no .lo and no .o generated. |
| 21:49.19 | thiago | what's the exact error? |
| 21:49.22 | LionKMP | maybe kdevelop import of kdevelop2 file broke something. |
| 21:49.29 | LionKMP | http://pastebin.com/883200 |
| 21:49.36 | LionKMP | that's what I get at final linking. |
| 21:50.20 | LionKMP | before I added my changes, the project compiled (with make). I did not try directly after opening in kdevelop, only after my changes (which are not related to these files) |
| 21:50.21 | thiago | paste it somewhere else, please |
| 21:50.25 | thiago | pastebin.com is unreliable |
| 21:51.23 | thiago | LionKMP: that doesn't look like a build problem |
| 21:51.24 | LionKMP | http://rafb.net/p/9Tv70r78.html |
| 21:51.34 | thiago | just a coding error |
| 21:51.48 | thiago | find which file defines JavaCodeGenerationFormBase::JavaCodeGenerationFormBase |
| 21:52.05 | LionKMP | oh, something in my files have affected files compiled after? |
| 21:52.25 | thiago | huh? |
| 21:52.30 | LionKMP | I found that file, same name (I did not change that file) |
| 21:52.45 | thiago | is JavaCodeGenerationFormBase::JavaCodeGenerationFormBase(QWidget*, char const*, unsigned int) defined in it? |
| 21:52.51 | LionKMP | the project compiled after downloading, and I did not change that file. |
| 21:53.25 | thiago | you're not making sense |
| 21:53.27 | LionKMP | JavaCodeGenerationFormBase( QWidget* parent = 0, const char* name = 0, WFlags fl = 0 ); |
| 21:53.31 | thiago | did it compile or did it not? |
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| 21:53.52 | LionKMP | it compiled after downloading. then I opened in Kdevelop and added changes to OTHER files. |
| 21:54.07 | LionKMP | now it does not compile. |
| 21:54.16 | thiago | then undo the KDevelop changes |
| 21:54.23 | thiago | don't import the project |
| 21:54.58 | LionKMP | :( I needed to change several files. |
| 21:55.09 | thiago | do that without importing the project |
| 21:55.14 | thiago | in fact, erase the .kdev file |
| 21:55.20 | LionKMP | ok, I try again from scratch. |
| 21:55.33 | LionKMP | may I still open the files in KDevelop, or use VI instead? |
| 21:55.56 | thiago | yes, you may still open them |
| 21:56.08 | LionKMP | ok, I try. will take a hour or so :) |
| 21:56.57 | wolsni | LionKMP: save the files you changed and just stick them in to the clean source? |
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| 21:57.38 | LionKMP | wolsni: yes, I know, but I was jumping around on search results. and diff/find -ctime, too many files! |
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| 21:58.51 | LionKMP | find -name *.cpp, I'll try... :) |
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| 21:59.12 | Kyral | mm |
| 21:59.14 | thiago | if you're not a C++ developer, what are you doing? |
| 21:59.19 | Kyral | KDevelop takes a while to compile |
| 21:59.28 | Kyral | You can hack on C++ without being a developer :P |
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| 22:00.14 | MetaBookfoziS | what is that 30 process (84(only kde)-54(without x)) that kde runs? and how can i check that i need both? |
| 22:00.42 | Kyral | MetaBookfoziS: WTF was that equation... |
| 22:01.00 | MetaBookfoziS | if i stop kdm, i have 54 process |
| 22:01.05 | Kyral | Okaaay |
| 22:01.07 | MetaBookfoziS | if i start kdm and log in i have 84 |
| 22:01.17 | MetaBookfoziS | so what is the difference 30 process? |
| 22:01.35 | MetaBookfoziS | kicker+kdesktop+5-6other okay... but the other 20?? |
| 22:01.38 | Kyral | Off the top of my HEAD |
| 22:01.42 | Kyral | kdeinit |
| 22:01.45 | sredna | MetaBookfoziS: try ps, in *nix the executable names are making resonably much sense |
| 22:01.48 | Renze | kded |
| 22:01.50 | pinotree | kded, kdeinit, services, session... |
| 22:01.51 | Renze | dcopserver |
| 22:01.58 | Kyral | klauncher |
| 22:02.04 | MetaBookfoziS | i see we are get both in minutes:D |
| 22:02.04 | Kyral | kio_file |
| 22:02.08 | Renze | artsd (if you use it) |
| 22:02.12 | MetaBookfoziS | yep |
| 22:02.15 | Kyral | kio_pop3 (If you use KMail) |
| 22:02.22 | MetaBookfoziS | no |
| 22:02.25 | MetaBookfoziS | what is klauncher? |
| 22:02.25 | Kyral | khelper |
| 22:02.26 | Renze | kio_uiserver |
| 22:02.33 | Kyral | knotify |
| 22:02.35 | MetaBookfoziS | is there alist somewhere to get to know what is what? |
| 22:02.42 | Kyral | wait |
| 22:02.46 | MetaBookfoziS | thx |
| 22:02.46 | pinotree | MetaBookfoziS: why^ |
| 22:02.47 | Kyral | is knotify a kernel thing? |
| 22:02.48 | pinotree | ? |
| 22:02.52 | pinotree | Kyral: no |
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| 22:02.55 | MetaBookfoziS | no |
| 22:02.59 | Kyral | pinotree: okay lol |
| 22:03.00 | thiago | MetaBookfoziS: no, there's no list |
| 22:03.00 | Renze | Kyral: no, knotify is kde's notification system |
| 22:03.21 | MetaBookfoziS | thats simple notifier that you hear and see with amarok or yakuake's starts... |
| 22:03.21 | Kyral | pinotree: Sometimes the list gets confusing because the Kernel likes to use k names too |
| 22:03.29 | sredna | MetaBookfoziS: some of all those processes make up the kde infrastructure, while others are doing actual jobs for you, such as kio_* |
| 22:03.29 | MetaBookfoziS | yep |
| 22:03.31 | Kyral | like kthread |
| 22:03.32 | MetaBookfoziS | kthread and others |
| 22:03.49 | Kyral | kwalletmanager |
| 22:03.57 | MetaBookfoziS | i saw many K* when i don'T have x.. |
| 22:03.58 | thiago | yeah, we've had people coming in here asking how to stop kswapd0 |
| 22:04.04 | thiago | it was taking too much CPU... |
| 22:04.06 | Kyral | lol |
| 22:04.07 | MetaBookfoziS | :D |
| 22:04.09 | sredna | MetaBookfoziS: some are apps that you are running, for example hidden in the system tray |
| 22:04.46 | Kyral | Right now I have a MASSIVE tree decending from Konsole |
| 22:04.56 | Kyral | because I'm compiling the newest KDevelop :P |
| 22:05.14 | MetaBookfoziS | btw, i wanna tweak kde because i boredom |
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| 22:05.30 | MetaBookfoziS | so thats why i asked that |
| 22:05.34 | Renze | MetaBookfoziS: the devs have already tweaked it |
| 22:05.37 | sredna | personally, i renamed something named 'apt-cache-watcher' to DROPDEAD and that did in fact release quite a bit of CPU cycles for my usage |
| 22:05.42 | Kyral | MetaBookfoziS: Welcome to the reason I am so good with Linux |
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| 22:05.55 | MetaBookfoziS | detto |
| 22:06.05 | MetaBookfoziS | welcome the reason why i use kde for 1.5years:) |
| 22:06.06 | Kyral | I got bored and went "What does <insert random process here> do? And what happens if I kill it?" |
| 22:06.26 | thiago | don't kill kdeinit, dcopserver or ksmserver |
| 22:06.27 | TVSET | is it possible to have different set of desktop icons on different desktops? |
| 22:06.32 | Renze | Kyral: uninstall glibc... it'll make your system faster :D |
| 22:06.32 | Kyral | or kthread :P |
| 22:06.33 | thiago | TVSET: no |
| 22:06.40 | TVSET | thiago: pity |
| 22:06.41 | Kyral | Renze: Already have done it :P |
| 22:06.42 | TVSET | :) |
| 22:06.43 | thiago | Kyral: you can't kill that one |
| 22:06.51 | Kyral | thiago: As a user you can't... |
| 22:06.52 | Kyral | :P |
| 22:06.56 | sredna | TVSET: there is a long time standing wish for that (since kde 1) |
| 22:06.56 | TVSET | thiago: do you know if it's planned at all? |
| 22:07.06 | TVSET | sredna: oh.. ok.. thanks |
| 22:07.09 | thiago | TVSET: no one has moved to implement it |
| 22:07.09 | MetaBookfoziS | who nows what happens after the magic "nohup rm -Rf /"? :) |
| 22:07.11 | MetaBookfoziS | i have tried |
| 22:07.17 | MetaBookfoziS | before my last uninstall |
| 22:07.24 | Kyral | Never have been THAT stupid :P |
| 22:07.44 | MetaBookfoziS | nothing happens, when it wants to remove itself, it stops |
| 22:07.59 | thiago | rm can remove /bin/rm |
| 22:08.01 | MetaBookfoziS | but removes anything other, so no cmd available to execute only the shell stays, and i can type... |
| 22:08.09 | Kyral | because its already in memory |
| 22:08.12 | MetaBookfoziS | yep |
| 22:08.29 | imagine | lol, I guess someone had to try |
| 22:08.44 | Kyral | Now I watch more anime and hope KDevelop is done compiling by the time this one is finished so I can execute the final make install |
| 22:08.45 | thiago | there was sometime ago a comparison of rm -rf / and deltree on Windows |
| 22:08.48 | thiago | someone was benchmarking |
| 22:09.02 | MetaBookfoziS | :DDD |
| 22:09.03 | Kyral | hmm if I do make install |
| 22:09.05 | thiago | rm -rf was much faster, actually worked and trashed your system |
| 22:09.12 | sredna | Sho_: a nice thing wiht having emoticons enabled in konversation - at least on a black background, is that you don't need kstars, an ever changing figure of yellow spots is there to enjoy. I fear it does not make the text easier readable though |
| 22:09.17 | thiago | deltree was slow and didn't erase all files. Besides, you needed to reboot to trash your system. |
| 22:09.26 | Kyral | will it overwrite the existing KDevelop (default PREFIX was used both times) |
| 22:09.50 | thiago | Kyral: it'll overwrite the KDevelop that is in the prefix you chose |
| 22:10.01 | Kyral | thiago: I thought so, JUST checking :P |
| 22:10.16 | MetaBookfoziS | so no way to tweak kde:/ |
| 22:10.28 | Kyral | wait...why did I download the tarball when I sync to KDE Stable SVN every night... |
| 22:10.29 | Sho_ | sredna: hehe :). I once used KStars to generate a new desktop wallpaper every five minutes showing the current starry sky above my home |
| 22:10.47 | Kyral | Ah well.... |
| 22:11.04 | thiago | one of the best applications |
| 22:11.05 | Sho_ | Great, great app |
| 22:11.07 | thiago | kalzium too |
| 22:11.18 | MetaBookfoziS | i'm going to try |
| 22:11.40 | sredna | i can imagine that xsnow is fun in a 3D desktop :) |
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| 22:11.51 | Kyral | sredna: It is only kinda 3D |
| 22:12.01 | Kyral | it can only go above all windows or behind all windows right now |
| 22:12.03 | sredna | sure |
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| 22:12.20 | Kyral | I wish someone would hack it so it went below the active window and above the inactive ones :D |
| 22:12.30 | MetaBookfoziS | pf |
| 22:12.47 | Kyral | But back to anime |
| 22:12.48 | Renze | Kyral: what about piling up on top of windows, and falling off when they move? |
| 22:13.00 | Kyral | Renze: Naaaah... |
| 22:13.16 | Kyral | because then with custom snowflake images then it would get nasty |
| 22:13.17 | wolsni | or a 3d version of xpenguins |
| 22:13.21 | MetaBookfoziS | i recommend to sb tell it in #beryl |
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| 22:14.02 | Renze | a 3D talking head on your desktop that responds to voice commands ;) |
| 22:14.07 | sredna | Sho_: if you do, make sure the snow blows away from the active window when one blow into a connected microphone :o |
| 22:14.24 | Sho_ | sredna: I'm sure Phonon is going to make that easier or somesuch ;) |
| 22:14.41 | sredna | absolutely :) |
| 22:15.51 | MetaBookfoziS | kstars lol |
| 22:16.15 | MetaBookfoziS | i wish to see staelites |
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| 22:19.32 | MetaBookfoziS | knetwalk lol! |
| 22:20.17 | MetaBookfoziS | but unsolvable |
| 22:20.47 | thiago | normal in 58 steps |
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| 22:22.49 | MetaBookfoziS | http://kepup.extra.hu/?hys.png |
| 22:22.56 | MetaBookfoziS | how you solve this? |
| 22:23.02 | MetaBookfoziS | the right top corner is an anomalie |
| 22:23.03 | MetaBookfoziS | a |
| 22:23.04 | MetaBookfoziS | y |
| 22:23.06 | MetaBookfoziS | brr.. |
| 22:24.11 | LionKMP | thiago: #umbrello guys helped me to run make -f Makefile.cvs, which helped! |
| 22:24.20 | LionKMP | thanks all! bye :) (now the hard work :) ) |
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| 22:34.15 | thiago | 57 steps |
| 22:34.17 | thiago | new record |
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| 22:36.02 | thiago | wow, 35 |
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| 22:38.31 | MetaBookfoziS | what 5s f5sh? |
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| 22:38.52 | MetaBookfoziS | sry, i enabled the numlock (on my notebook:D) |
| 22:39.03 | MetaBookfoziS | so what fish:// protocol can do? |
| 22:39.10 | thiago | transfer files |
| 22:39.16 | Renze | it is for connecting to old ssh servers |
| 22:39.21 | Renze | sftp:/ is better |
| 22:39.23 | thiago | or new ones too |
| 22:40.15 | MetaBookfoziS | yep i used sftp before, but i have red avbout fish |
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| 22:40.21 | MetaBookfoziS | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-269143.html |
| 22:40.22 | MetaBookfoziS | in this |
| 22:40.31 | Renze | fish:/ is for ssh servers that don't have the ftp protocol built in |
| 22:40.34 | MetaBookfoziS | ^ that posts is at 2005 |
| 22:40.39 | Sho_ | MetaBookfoziS: fish:// uses a Perl script and shell commands on the remote end, which is a hackfor when SFTP support isn't available |
| 22:40.53 | MetaBookfoziS | oh, okay |
| 22:41.01 | MetaBookfoziS | but today that is rare |
| 22:41.10 | Sho_ | MetaBookfoziS: yup |
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| 22:41.46 | MetaBookfoziS | Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:18 pm Post subject: -> konversation at version 0.15 huh |
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| 22:41.54 | MetaBookfoziS | :) |
| 22:42.02 | Sho_ | the ancient past :) |
| 22:42.13 | MetaBookfoziS | :D |
| 22:42.24 | Kyral | Okay...biggest thing about the new KDevelop that I noticed...a ****load more templates :D |
| 22:42.41 | Renze | Kyral: is that a metric ****load? |
| 22:42.44 | mobster | guys i need some help with loading KDE |
| 22:42.52 | Kyral | Renze: yes :P |
| 22:43.10 | Kyral | ...now I have no excuse for not writing Kicker applets... |
| 22:43.47 | Kyral | but first...dinner |
| 22:44.17 | mobster | when i log in with 1 of my accounts (admin) i get a problem saying KDE does not have write acess to .ICEauthority |
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| 22:44.30 | mobster | what does that mean? |
| 22:44.30 | Renze | fix the permissions on .ICEauthority |
| 22:44.37 | Renze | it should belong to the user |
| 22:44.41 | mobster | how would i do that? |
| 22:44.50 | Renze | with the chown command |
| 22:44.58 | troy | chown user.user .ICEauthority |
| 22:44.59 | MetaBookfoziS | who knew before, alt-f2 (mini-cli) able to calculate simple calculations? just type 3+1, lol! |
| 22:45.01 | Kyral | oooo chowned! |
| 22:45.05 | troy | where user is replaced by your username... |
| 22:45.13 | mobster | i know how to do it graphically just not cli |
| 22:45.14 | Renze | MetaBookfoziS: we all knew ;) |
| 22:45.22 | MetaBookfoziS | br |
| 22:45.32 | troy | MetaBookfoziS: it's nice though :) |
| 22:45.38 | mobster | wait i will get to the folder it says the file is in via cli |
| 22:47.16 | mobster | using konsole i am in the folder it says the .ICEauthority file is but when i do ls ir doesnt show |
| 22:47.29 | mobster | *it |
| 22:47.44 | Renze | files that start with . are hidden... try ls -a |
| 22:48.04 | mobster | yep i found it |
| 22:48.19 | mobster | now how do i give it the acess it needs? |
| 22:48.24 | Renze | it must belong to the user whose home directory it is in |
| 22:48.37 | Renze | chown <user>:<user> .ICEauthority |
| 22:48.47 | Renze | replace <user> with the username, obviously |
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| 22:49.18 | mobster | space between user and :? |
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| 22:49.23 | Renze | no |
| 22:49.41 | Renze | do you see a space in what I typed? |
| 22:49.43 | AssociateX | Hello people |
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| 22:50.50 | mobster | kool thx |
| 22:50.57 | mobster | i will go test it now |
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| 22:57.54 | MetaBookfoziS | how can i run kbuildsycoca manually? |
| 22:57.57 | MetaBookfoziS | it needs a database |
| 22:58.02 | MetaBookfoziS | but what atabase, where? |
| 22:58.08 | Renze | ignore that error |
| 22:58.13 | Renze | everybody gets it |
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| 22:58.57 | MetaBookfoziS | okay |
| 22:59.20 | troy | MetaBookfoziS: or, if you really want to run it manually... ALT-F2-> "kbuildsycoca" and you're done :) |
| 22:59.34 | MetaBookfoziS | i have that... |
| 22:59.45 | troy | MetaBookfoziS: sometimes you have to issue that command if the menu isn't automagically updated after you install a new package, for instance... |
| 23:00.03 | MetaBookfoziS | yes i know (a bit) what is kbuildsycoca |
| 23:00.16 | MetaBookfoziS | i have turned off that in kcontrol during the login to speed up |
| 23:00.22 | Renze | it builds KDE's system configuration cache |
| 23:00.28 | MetaBookfoziS | yep |
| 23:00.32 | Renze | MetaBookfoziS: it's not a good idea to turn that off |
| 23:00.40 | MetaBookfoziS | why? |
| 23:00.51 | Renze | because if there are any changes, they won't be picked up |
| 23:01.10 | MetaBookfoziS | yes, but after changes i run that manually |
| 23:01.21 | Renze | or if there are any problems with the cache, it can crash |
| 23:01.21 | MetaBookfoziS | i logs in more than install a sw |
| 23:01.45 | MetaBookfoziS | i have this for two months, without problems, if i gets problems i turn back that |
| 23:02.16 | MetaBookfoziS | i'm on a notebook... |
| 23:02.18 | MetaBookfoziS | only problem is |
| 23:02.28 | MetaBookfoziS | in mini-cli if i type krusader or synaptic |
| 23:02.33 | MetaBookfoziS | both won't start |
| 23:02.41 | MetaBookfoziS | only this two apps... |
| 23:02.55 | MetaBookfoziS | but that is exists before i turned off this func |
| 23:03.27 | MetaBookfoziS | i think the reason it passes some cli parameter for thats (krsader crashes for -caption and other things) |
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| 23:08.50 | Kyral | Now I just need to find a way to determine HD I/O rates |
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| 23:09.22 | aseigo | synaptic is a gtk app, not sure why it'd be doing that... krusader should certainly not be crashing, and it doesn't here even with -caption |
| 23:09.43 | aseigo | MetaBookfoziS: what version of krusader are you using? |
| 23:09.52 | MetaBookfoziS | latest 1.80-beta |
| 23:10.08 | MetaBookfoziS | sorry i'm wrong |
| 23:10.10 | MetaBookfoziS | synaptic starts |
| 23:10.24 | MetaBookfoziS | and asks for: gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic |
| 23:10.40 | MetaBookfoziS | but if i type my pw (in kdesu's win) it says that path and executable is not exists |
| 23:10.55 | aseigo | MetaBookfoziS: if you're using a beta and it's crashing, you should report the bug w/backtrace before it ends up in a final release |
| 23:11.06 | MetaBookfoziS | but it's not a big problem |
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| 23:11.13 | MetaBookfoziS | okay |
| 23:11.50 | aseigo | and isn't it gtksu? |
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| 23:13.16 | Noeve | Hello, I have a quick question about the taskbar - I've got a Quick File Browser in it, but it only updates when I reboot. Is there any way to get it to update automatically ? |
| 23:13.29 | aseigo | Noeve: define 'update' |
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| 23:14.08 | aseigo | Noeve: as in "show new files/folders" that get created, deleted, renamed, etc? |
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| 23:15.22 | Noeve | aseigo, I don't want to remove and add the button everytime I change something in the directory. |
| 23:15.38 | Noeve | aseigo, more or less, yes. If I add a file to that directory, I want it under that menu. |
| 23:16.19 | aseigo | Noeve: if so, it sounds like whatever system you have running for file watches isn't working (e.g. gamin, inotify, fam, etc...) |
| 23:16.39 | aseigo | Noeve: because that should work right out of the box, but requires a functional subsystem for file watches.. which is outside the scope of kde itself |
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| 23:17.02 | Noeve | Where do I find out which I'm running ? |
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| 23:17.57 | aseigo | Noeve: largely depends on what operating system you're running. and is this a self-compiled kde or are you using your vendor's packages? |
| 23:18.36 | Noeve | aseigo, I'm running SimplyMEPIS, vendor-compiled. |
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| 23:19.22 | aseigo | Noeve: hm. don't know off the top of my head what they use, but whatever is provided is certainly broken =) |
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| 23:20.12 | aseigo | Noeve: you may wish to ask on a simplymepis ist |
| 23:20.13 | aseigo | er, list |
| 23:20.28 | MetaBookfoziS | 9sec from kdm to desktop |
| 23:20.30 | MetaBookfoziS | others? |
| 23:20.33 | Noeve | aseigo, what else would this file watcher affect ? If I open a directory in Konqueror and mkdir in a console, that dir shows up immediately in Konqueror. |
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| 23:22.42 | aseigo | Noeve: hm. *shrug* it should work in the quick browser menus then. don't know where the problem could be without diving into the code a bit |
| 23:22.55 | aseigo | Noeve: what v of kde, btw? |
| 23:23.07 | SmallR2002 | aseigo, it'll be the same as ubuntu, mepis being based off ubuntu these dark days |
| 23:23.17 | aseigo | SmallR2002: assuming he's using the newest simplymepis |
| 23:23.28 | SmallR2002 | hmmm, that's true |
| 23:23.28 | aseigo | ass u me, etc =) |
| 23:23.43 | SmallR2002 | are you Noeve? |
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| 23:27.10 | alancio | hey, I know this has nothing to do with KDE, but does anybody here owns a Motorola L7? |
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| 23:28.03 | pinotree | alancio: no way... |
| 23:28.16 | alancio | how about a Nokia N80? |
| 23:28.54 | pinotree | no way either |
| 23:29.11 | SmallR2002 | incidentally, little kde issue, with multiple word based clocks on my panel and transparency it cocks up |
| 23:29.15 | linux_stu | i can't get my screensaver to turn on |
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| 23:31.48 | th1 | Hi I have a question for KSysGuard.. How the *** |
| 23:32.01 | th1 | do I get the Sensor Browser?? it is all over the manual but not how to get at it. |
| 23:32.31 | MetaBookfoziS | http://ubuntuos.com/?p=347 |
| 23:32.35 | MetaBookfoziS | interesting |
| 23:32.54 | MetaBookfoziS | th1 that is the panel at the left side |
| 23:33.05 | MetaBookfoziS | you can drag and drop sensors from that to the righside tabs.... |
| 23:33.13 | MetaBookfoziS | if we think about the same |
| 23:33.36 | th1 | MetaBookfoziS, heh, but I dont see any panel that's my problem :) |
| 23:33.43 | th1 | ah LOL |
| 23:33.43 | MetaBookfoziS | :D |
| 23:33.47 | th1 | it was dragged all the way to the side! |
| 23:34.00 | MetaBookfoziS | weh |
| 23:34.04 | th1 | I was looking for a "hide/show sensor browser" thingy |
| 23:34.14 | th1 | it is very non-obvious if you don't know where it's supposed to go |
| 23:34.23 | MetaBookfoziS | i do this in thudnerbird's mail browser a month ago |
| 23:35.02 | aseigo | th1: ksysguard was designed for system administration in mind, so it's interface is generally tuned for that.. e.g. one of the early use/test cases for it was a 64 proc machine in suse labs |
| 23:35.41 | MetaBookfoziS | how can i ad dmore than 4 sensor to a tab? |
| 23:35.48 | th1 | oh I have no complaints about its functionality, it's great. just if you know where the sensor browser is :) |
| 23:35.48 | aseigo | th1: it's an amazing tool for admins, e.g. being able to remotely monitor systems using a gui .. but that comes at the price of being a bit complex for the casual user |
| 23:36.03 | aseigo | MetaBookfoziS: Edit -> Worksheet properties |
| 23:36.06 | th1 | aseigo, I consider myself a hardcore sysadmin |
| 23:36.15 | MetaBookfoziS | aah |
| 23:36.15 | th1 | but it doesn't make it any more obvious where the sensor browser was hidden ;) |
| 23:36.17 | MetaBookfoziS | cool |
| 23:36.55 | aseigo | btw.. ksysguard is undergoing -huge- amounts of very impressive work in trunk/ (kde4 branch) |
| 23:37.16 | th1 | nice |
| 23:37.19 | aseigo | now is the time to offer feedback to the developers, paritcular john tapsell (current lead devel) |
| 23:37.22 | th1 | does ksysguardd run without kde libs? |
| 23:37.25 | aseigo | er, particularly |
| 23:37.27 | aseigo | th1: yes |
| 23:37.36 | aseigo | th1: it's a basic, portable c-only app |
| 23:37.39 | th1 | nice |
| 23:37.47 | aseigo | th1: runs on a large number of operating systems to boot |
| 23:37.49 | th1 | I'll probably install it on a couple of my servers then |
| 23:38.33 | aseigo | MetaBookfoziS: that was actually a long discussion a month or three ago on kde-core-devel =) it's moved to a more intuitive system for kde4 iirc which shows what each process uses exclusively, though you can turn on the other fields if you wish... |
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| 23:38.58 | aseigo | MetaBookfoziS: iirc, john was even looking into more accurate accounting systems where available ... don't know off hand where he got with that |
| 23:39.09 | aseigo | the proc/top type stuff is generally pretty messy |
| 23:39.36 | MetaBookfoziS | it says about 600.000 ~60mb if i'm not bored |
| 23:39.38 | alancio | well I am just learning about ksysguard |
| 23:39.51 | MetaBookfoziS | but this is messy because shared libs and etc.. |
| 23:39.55 | alancio | is ksysguardd available as a separate package? |
| 23:39.56 | aseigo | precisely |
| 23:40.04 | aseigo | alancio: depends on your os |
| 23:40.15 | alancio | aseigo: I mean a separate source tarball |
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| 23:40.18 | aseigo | alancio: it is part of the kdeadmin source package, but most operating systems break it out |
| 23:40.32 | alancio | I am the kde packager for my distribution |
| 23:40.33 | aseigo | alancio: it's part of kdeadmin. you can build just ksysguard though of course |
| 23:40.39 | aseigo | alancio: ah, sweet =) |
| 23:40.54 | aseigo | ah, wait. no. it's kdebase |
| 23:41.11 | alancio | it would be better to have a small tarball just with ksysguardd |
| 23:41.18 | alancio | to build it only on servers |
| 23:41.34 | aseigo | alancio: ksysguard/ksysguardd |
| 23:41.37 | alancio | no need to download qt/kdelibs dependencies if you are only intending to install it |
| 23:41.38 | MetaBookfoziS | what is cpu load -> context switches? |
| 23:42.11 | aseigo | alancio: the ksysguardd subdir has no such dependencies. as the packager you can package the ksysguardd binaries separately |
| 23:42.31 | aseigo | MetaBookfoziS: the number of times the kernel switches from one userland process to another |
| 23:42.39 | th1 | this is great for a multiprocessor system |
| 23:42.52 | th1 | I like it already, so many values can be monitored |
| 23:43.05 | aseigo | yep. as i said earlier, a 64 way system was one of the early use and test cases =) |
| 23:43.13 | th1 | hehe |
| 23:43.25 | th1 | my biggest server is dual quadcore |
| 23:43.56 | aseigo | aside from the electrical bill, i wish i had a 64 way system too ;) |
| 23:44.02 | aseigo | icecream would ROCK with that kicking around |
| 23:44.03 | th1 | but my desktop what i'm on now is just a dualcore AMD..:) |
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| 23:44.10 | aseigo | make -j128 |
| 23:44.14 | th1 | #hehe |
| 23:44.29 | th1 | dual quadcore is pretty good |
| 23:44.43 | MetaBookfoziS | th1 > brr:) |
| 23:44.45 | th1 | it takes a couple of minutes to build a kernel |
| 23:45.04 | aseigo | i used to have a couple of dual duals in the house, so 8 corse between the two of them and boy was that a nice addition to the icecream build cluster in the living room ;) |
| 23:45.08 | sgomes | woohoo, got trunk running |
| 23:45.13 | aseigo | (they now live in a colo.. *sigh*) |
| 23:45.13 | sgomes | :D |
| 23:45.16 | th1 | hehe |
| 23:45.18 | aseigo | sgomes: wicked |
| 23:45.40 | sgomes | now, to find a project to code for, hmm |
| 23:45.46 | aseigo | MetaBookfoziS: on first log in, a full linux+kde system should only take ~50-60MB |
| 23:45.51 | th1 | I manage servers for several different clients. one is in a big hosting center in canada |
| 23:46.09 | MetaBookfoziS | it's pretty cool |
| 23:46.11 | th1 | thats where the big one is:) |
| 23:46.12 | aseigo | MetaBookfoziS: less if you care to tweak things about... i've had it down into the 40s for certain cases |
| 23:46.20 | aseigo | th1: where in .ca? |
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| 23:46.36 | th1 | man im not sure |
| 23:46.39 | alancio | I love canada |
| 23:46.43 | th1 | I've never been there physically ;) |
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| 23:47.00 | th1 | but I think it is in/near Toronto |
| 23:47.09 | MetaBookfoziS | i tested (opened a 10mb zipwith kate) and the graph rate gets bigger truely amount |
| 23:47.37 | aseigo | alancio: pretty close to it, yeah (imho =) |
| 23:47.41 | aseigo | Kyral: yep |
| 23:47.49 | MetaBookfoziS | boost libraries? |
| 23:47.49 | JohnFlux | Kyral: i would wonder why write it in c++ |
| 23:47.55 | alancio | except for the weather |
| 23:48.06 | JohnFlux | MetaBookfoziS: garbage collection etc |
| 23:48.08 | aseigo | oh hey, look, it's mr ksysguard himself, JohnFlux |
| 23:48.18 | JohnFlux | rats |
| 23:48.24 | aseigo | hehe |
| 23:48.34 | MetaBookfoziS | cool, my battery graph is: __---__---__--- (99%-100%-99%-100%) |
| 23:48.34 | JohnFlux | I saw the conversation, but I couldn't reply - wife was playing kfouleggs :-) |
| 23:48.36 | Kyral | JohnFlux: Because thats what the KDevelop template for a Kicker app is in :P |
| 23:48.39 | JohnFlux | we're addicted to that game |
| 23:48.42 | MetaBookfoziS | ksysguard makes me fun |
| 23:48.43 | JohnFlux | stupid game |
| 23:48.50 | Kyral | I prefer Klickity |
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| 23:48.58 | JohnFlux | Kyral: kicker app? ah |
| 23:49.01 | JohnFlux | MetaBookfoziS: lol |
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| 23:49.17 | Kyral | And I'm too farking lazy to write a String::Split function myself |
| 23:49.22 | alancio | you know what game is very cool? |
| 23:49.30 | kirun | bzflag? |
| 23:49.33 | JohnFlux | frozen bubble |
| 23:49.39 | Kyral | JohnFlux++ |
| 23:49.42 | MetaBookfoziS | 60mb soo cool... i wanna test tomorrow how many ram eats by gnome |
| 23:49.42 | alancio | no, I mean one that hasn't been ported yet |
| 23:49.42 | JohnFlux | that's so cold it's frozen |
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| 23:49.47 | aseigo | Kyral: QStringList::split? |
| 23:49.48 | alancio | its name is Cubis |
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| 23:49.59 | th1 | alancio, what sort of game? |
| 23:50.02 | alancio | there is a flash version available somewhere |
| 23:50.12 | alancio | wait, I am looking for it |
| 23:50.15 | Kyral | aseigo: I'm grabbing the data from a file descriptor so something that can tag onto String is better |
| 23:50.20 | alancio | its a Freshgames game |
| 23:50.21 | JohnFlux | th1: what are you trying to do btw? |
| 23:50.27 | JohnFlux | th1: what do you want to show? |
| 23:50.39 | th1 | JohnFlux, I was just messing around with it. |
| 23:50.59 | th1 | now I have set it up so I can see the CPU load and network utilization |
| 23:51.00 | aseigo | Kyral: what sort of data from a file descriptor? |
| 23:51.04 | Leftmost | I'm a GNOME user with a couple of Qt apps running. I've installed the QtCurve theme but I'm not sure how to get it to apply to my Qt apps. Any ideas? |
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| 23:51.13 | th1 | it is pretty easy to use once you figure out where the sensor palette is ;) |
| 23:51.17 | Kyral | aseigo: basically parsing /proc/diskstats :P |
| 23:51.22 | aseigo | Leftmost: kde control center -> look 'n feel -> style |
| 23:51.23 | JohnFlux | th1: I was thinking of changing the grid type thing to a proper qt designer form |
| 23:51.30 | JohnFlux | th1: so you could add labels etc |
| 23:51.34 | litb | huh lets applause him: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/16/1937237 |
| 23:51.36 | th1 | yes that would be nice |
| 23:51.40 | kirun | Widelands should be good in a few revisions (once they fix a few crashes and moronic AI) |
| 23:51.47 | aseigo | Kyral: and you aren't using QFile? |
| 23:51.57 | Kyral | aseigo: I don't KNOW about QFile :P |
| 23:52.04 | JohnFlux | th1: I want to get people creating and contributing pages |
| 23:52.06 | aseigo | Kyral: so that would be "no" ;) |
| 23:52.08 | Kyral | aseigo: I normally don't do GUI stuff :P |
| 23:52.13 | JohnFlux | th1: pages showing network usage etc |
| 23:52.17 | th1 | JohnFlux, it is a bit of a constraint that the sensor sheets are just rigid grids of x * y |
| 23:52.32 | JohnFlux | yeah it's pretty horrible |
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| 23:52.36 | Kyral | aseigo: So I figured I'd get the program outputting in console then take THAT code and drop it into the Applet framework |
| 23:52.38 | aseigo | Kyral: that's generally the recommended way for local files. or you can use KIO as well, though for simple local-only file access QFile is usually easier to grok |
| 23:52.44 | edwin | hi |
| 23:52.44 | Leftmost | aseigo, does kdebase need to be installed for that? I have kdelibs installed, but not kdebase. |
| 23:52.58 | Kyral | aseigo: I was gonna use ifstream :P |
| 23:52.59 | aseigo | Kyral: it's more portable and generally makes things a bit more nicer and cuter (hehe.. get it? qt, cuter? ahaha.. *sigh() |
| 23:53.09 | edwin | i am experiencing problems connecting with kopete, i cannot connect msn, yahoo or irc |
| 23:53.10 | th1 | it would be nice if each sensor individually could be resized etc... a bit like the panels in KDevelop |
| 23:53.11 | JohnFlux | th1: I need to make some more optimisations though |
| 23:53.13 | JohnFlux | th1: if ksysguard isn't fast enough in kde4, aseigo will have my nuts |
| 23:53.28 | edwin | but i can connect to irc using xchat, and i think it has to do with proxy settings |
| 23:53.29 | Kyral | aseigo: The fact that I need /proc/diskstats kinda destroys portability |
| 23:53.31 | aseigo | Leftmost: yes, it's in kdebase. but many operating systems package it separately. |
| 23:53.39 | edwin | anyone have any advice for me? |
| 23:53.43 | aseigo | Leftmost: e.g. on *buntu it's apt-get install kcontrol |
| 23:53.56 | Kyral | It pretty much restricts it to the 2.6 series of Linux kernel |
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| 23:54.26 | th1 | so I guess ksysguard is 100% client/server with all the sensors implemented in the daemon? |
| 23:54.40 | JohnFlux | at the moment yes |
| 23:54.46 | JohnFlux | but I want to change that for a few of them |
| 23:54.51 | th1 | would be nice if it could take plugins like SNMP |
| 23:54.55 | aseigo | Kyral: heh. details ;) but yeah, using QFile you can just use readLine and then with the resulting QString pass that into QStringList::split |
| 23:55.09 | aseigo | Kyral: and badda-boom you have your string list |
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| 23:55.15 | JohnFlux | th1: maybe - not too sure about that |
| 23:55.18 | Kyral | aseigo: I can do the same thing with ifstream::readLine :P |
| 23:56.20 | th1 | JohnFlux, this woul dmake it possible to monitor nodes that can't run ksysguardd for one reason or another. I could sure use that. If I had that I could probably build a total overview page with all the info I needed at a glance, which would be, well, very cool :) |
| 23:56.33 | aseigo | Kyral: sure, you can pass the char* through QString -> QStringList::split as well ... or use boost. though perhaps more kde users will have qt than boost installed |
| 23:56.47 | Kyral | oy... |
| 23:56.52 | MetaBookfoziS | Sysinfo for 'bm': Linux 2.6.17-11-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: mobileAMDAthlonXP-M2000+ at 1658 MHz (3320 bogomips), , RAM: 598/693MB, 87 proc's, 4.10h up |
| 23:56.55 | alancio | check out the Cubis game: http://www.freshgames.com/games/cubis/play/ |
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| 23:57.02 | Kyral | I was gonna stash them in a vector of strings :P |
| 23:57.21 | JohnFlux | th1: lots to do :-) |
| 23:57.29 | th1 | hehe, yeah :) |
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| 23:57.37 | th1 | I know the feeling |
| 23:57.48 | JohnFlux | th1: I need to find a company to pay me so I can work fulltime on this heh |
| 23:58.48 | th1 | hehe |
| 23:58.48 | aseigo | Kyral: that's essentially what QStringList is =) you can use stl algo's on it too... |
| 23:59.00 | Kyral | mkay you win |
| 23:59.10 | th1 | I would write open source fulltime if someone would pay me :) |
| 23:59.13 | JohnFlux | aseigo: except the qt documentation rarely mentions it |
| 23:59.25 | th1 | but I guess you have to be Linus or up in that league with Alan Cox etc for that to happen |
| 23:59.27 | aseigo | JohnFlux: sadly =) |
| 23:59.35 | Kyral | Still would be nice to have the Boost libs around |
| 23:59.42 | aseigo | th1: i get paid to do it *shrug* |
| 23:59.55 | th1 | you're a lucky one :) |
| 23:59.56 | MetaBookfoziS | bye all |
| 23:59.57 | aseigo | th1: the bar has lowered a lot in the last 10 years |
