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| 00:07.52 | shadok | is taht a bug or a wish ? |
| 00:07.54 | shadok | *that |
| 00:08.27 | shadok | a wish. |
| 00:10.15 | Sho_ | (imo it's a bug) |
| 00:10.29 | shadok | ah ok :) |
| 00:10.40 | shadok | corrected |
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| 00:15.30 | shadok | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141953 |
| 00:17.11 | Renze | shadok: "middle click opens URL in selection" means "put the contents of the selection (clipboard) into the location bar" |
| 00:17.30 | Renze | shadok: it's not the same as "open links in a new tab on middle click" |
| 00:18.29 | shadok | uh ugly, i thought the description was strange but i didn't realized |
| 00:19.14 | shadok | but it's ok i think for the bug, if i disable "middle click opens URL in selection" autoscrolling is disabled |
| 00:19.21 | shadok | *enable |
| 00:19.44 | Renze | that is the intended behaviour, I believe |
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| 00:20.38 | shadok | if i selected text ok, if not that would gives me autoscrolling no ? |
| 00:21.02 | Renze | shadok: there is usually always something in the selection, or at least in the clipboard |
| 00:21.49 | shadok | ah yes, sorry it's my fault i misunderstood two times in a row :/ |
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| 00:22.09 | Renze | heh ;) |
| 00:22.24 | shadok | i think my bug is wrong so, i'll add a message |
| 00:22.51 | shadok | do i have to put it as resolved with an explanation ? |
| 00:22.59 | Renze | no idea |
| 00:23.09 | Renze | I'm no bugzilla guru |
| 00:23.13 | shadok | hehe |
| 00:23.42 | shadok | i do that right now, no need to bother anyone more for a false bug |
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| 00:25.38 | Alethes | yeehaw |
| 00:25.51 | Alethes | figured out how to really separate the settings for konq as web browser vs file manager |
| 00:25.57 | Alethes | the --config option works now :D |
| 00:25.57 | Renze | Alethes: what are you doing to that donkey? |
| 00:26.07 | Alethes | Renze: hang on, I'll send you pics |
| 00:26.10 | shadok | Renze: ohh just 10 hours more than here :D |
| 00:26.13 | Renze | no thanks! |
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| 00:26.33 | shadok | haha |
| 00:27.43 | Bearcat | hey folks, I'm a bit perplexed. I'm finally getting around to fixing a problem. |
| 00:27.45 | Alethes | is there an extension or something for konq to merge the stop and reload buttons? |
| 00:28.09 | chavo | Alethes, there's a patch on kde-apps.org |
| 00:28.18 | Renze | Alethes: there was a patch made by smileaf, but I'm not sure if he's keeping that up-to-date |
| 00:28.24 | chavo | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=47354 |
| 00:28.25 | Alethes | hmm, don't really wanna get into recompiling stuff |
| 00:28.25 | Sho_ | http://www.kdemod.ath.cx/ includes such a patch |
| 00:28.27 | Alethes | I'm lazy |
| 00:28.29 | chavo | works with 3.5.6 |
| 00:28.40 | Alethes | ok, I'm using 3.5 from kubuntu |
| 00:28.51 | Alethes | I prefer to stick with existing packages |
| 00:29.15 | Renze | Alethes: then "no" |
| 00:29.18 | Alethes | haha |
| 00:29.20 | Alethes | :P |
| 00:29.29 | Sho_ | Alethes: AFAIK Kubuntu Feisty ships what patch as well |
| 00:29.32 | Sho_ | *that |
| 00:29.42 | Alethes | I'm all excited now that I can use konq as a browser with totally different settings than the file manager |
| 00:29.43 | Bearcat | I tried Gnome a month back and i switched back to KDE. In gnome i disabled a bunch of the program lauchers in the menu system. Now they are gone from KDE and reinstallng things does not show them. I note that they do exist in /usr/share/applink What makes them invisible? |
| 00:30.05 | Alethes | I think --config was broken as of 3.5.2 |
| 00:30.40 | Renze | Bearcat: make sure there isn't a line in the files like "Hidden=true" |
| 00:30.40 | chavo | yes kubuntus 3.5.6 does have that patch |
| 00:30.43 | Bearcat | i have a /usr/share/applink/Office but i have no "Office" group in my meny |
| 00:31.09 | Renze | Bearcat: groups aren't defined by the existence of a folder, afaik |
| 00:31.33 | Sho_ | Plus applnk is obsolete these days |
| 00:31.53 | Bearcat | ahh, what is used in place of applink? |
| 00:32.15 | Bearcat | actually, my mates log-in is just fine so it must be something under my ~/.kde |
| 00:32.30 | Renze | or your .local, or your .config |
| 00:33.08 | sredna | kmail went bonkers :o |
| 00:33.25 | Renze | define "bonkers" |
| 00:33.26 | sredna | komposer keeps running the cursor leftwards, it can't stop |
| 00:33.38 | Renze | stuck key? |
| 00:33.38 | Sho_ | http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s02.html & http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/ar01s03.html |
| 00:33.42 | sredna | no |
| 00:33.47 | sredna | stuck app |
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| 00:34.30 | sredna | stuck in a loop: it reached the farest possible left,stod jumping there for a long time and finally found rest |
| 00:34.50 | Renze | weird |
| 00:34.55 | sredna | it was doing something else, like spell checking |
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| 00:42.58 | pinotree | haha.. night sredna =) |
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| 00:43.25 | joss193 | possible to add services directories to somehow for kde to be aware about? |
| 00:43.45 | joss193 | kde-config --path services is missing some of dirs |
| 00:44.16 | Renze | joss193: they are derived from $KDEDIRS, I believe |
| 00:45.02 | joss193 | yeah anyways kaffeine can not find xine_part.desktop |
| 00:45.16 | joss193 | which is situated outside those services path that kde-config gives |
| 00:45.40 | joss193 | usr/kde/devel/share/services/ and home equivalent |
| 00:45.47 | joss193 | workaround? |
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| 00:46.18 | joss193 | /usr/share/services/gstreamer_part.desktop |
| 00:46.18 | joss193 | /usr/share/services/xine_part.desktop |
| 00:47.32 | stoned | http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/889 <-- this is hot |
| 00:47.45 | joss193 | Reinze: kbuildsycoca picked those up finally:) |
| 00:48.48 | joss193 | Renze: pardon, minor adjustments needed with those svn fetches |
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| 00:51.31 | Skrot- | Hi. I think I've found a bug. I've got two virtual desktops, and ctrl+alt+left/right to switch next/prev. When I go to desktop 2 and start kdevelop, and then try to go back to desktop 1, kwin crashes. Is this known? |
| 00:51.41 | Skrot- | Repeated twice, same result |
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| 00:52.09 | Skrot- | I've also got "Show windows from all desktops" disabled |
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| 00:52.59 | satnone | if i create a theme how do i use it with another account |
| 00:53.18 | satnone | where are the themes files stored |
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| 00:57.22 | vick | What a good dvd burner program ? |
| 00:57.27 | vick | what's rather |
| 00:58.37 | StarScream | vick: k3b |
| 00:59.17 | StarScream | k3b the newest rc is brilliant if you can be bothered compiling/ updating libs |
| 00:59.36 | StarScream | otherwise what ever ships with your distro will get the job done |
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| 01:01.00 | Henkie | how can i assign the "del" button to an immediate del? (on the desktop that is) |
| 01:01.15 | Henkie | i know i can reprogram the del-button in konqueror |
| 01:02.11 | shadok | how about shadows and transparency in kde4 ? is there something planned already ? |
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| 01:04.44 | Bearcat | ok, so i'm still confused. It looks like applinks is depreciated. Yes |
| 01:04.55 | Bearcat | ? |
| 01:04.59 | Renze | shadok: kwin_composite branch already has all that stuff |
| 01:05.25 | shadok | ah ok, it keeps crashing on me atm, 2 crashes in ~72h |
| 01:08.57 | shadok | and i'm goign to get rid of it on next crash (too lazy to quit X by myself) |
| 01:09.12 | vbgunz | what is the coolest gpg kde interface available? whats the opinion? |
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| 01:09.33 | shadok | :D |
| 01:10.02 | vbgunz | I should be learning the console app gpg :( |
| 01:10.38 | Jucato | Renze: you (evil) twin was in here last night :) |
| 01:10.43 | shadok | besides the crash i have another problem, some windows turns transparent altough they are on focus (i have set transparency on unfocused windows only) |
| 01:11.06 | shadok | and i have to close and open them again for it to behave normally |
| 01:11.14 | Bearcat | A HA! |
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| 01:12.35 | Renze | Jucato: he keeps escaping the sack and digging himself out of the grave... |
| 01:12.45 | Jucato | heheh :0 |
| 01:12.47 | Jucato | :) |
| 01:13.07 | Bearcat | ok, in /home/bearcat/.config/menus i see applications-kmenu-edit.menu and applications.menu have the missing items under <Exclude> tags. |
| 01:13.22 | Bearcat | I could edit these by hand, but is there a faster way to do it though a GUI? |
| 01:14.07 | shadok | who does actually use xcomposite without problem ? |
| 01:14.26 | Henkie | disabling the trash is nowhere to be found ;( |
| 01:15.23 | Bearcat | shadok: its generally regarded as being unsusable. But you could try beryl with aquamarine as a theme engine (which will allow you to use your kwin themes. |
| 01:15.25 | Jucato | Settings -> Configure Shortcuts ? |
| 01:15.38 | shadok | Bearcat: haha ok, it confirms my idea :D |
| 01:16.37 | satnone | if i create a theme with the theme manager where does it get stored so i can access it with another login |
| 01:16.57 | shadok | i used beryl a few weeks ago but uninstalled it because i had a sort of lag between each actions,something like 50-100ms, not big but boring after a week or two |
| 01:17.21 | shadok | kwin is way far more reactive |
| 01:17.44 | Skrot- | I've got more faith in kwin_composite :) |
| 01:18.14 | Henkie | will the trash empty itself? |
| 01:18.36 | satnone | does anybody know anything about the theme manager |
| 01:18.40 | Skrot- | Henkie: does your physical thrash can ever empty itself? :) |
| 01:18.55 | Henkie | Skrot-, hehe, no, but i can choose not to use it :) |
| 01:19.12 | Jucato | satnone: ~/.kde/share/apps/kthememanager or something |
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| 01:19.20 | shadok | Skrot-: i'd have faith if it can stops crashing on me everyday :( |
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| 01:19.25 | shadok | *could |
| 01:19.27 | Skrot- | But no, it does not empty itself. You have to empty it manually |
| 01:19.40 | Henkie | Skrot-, can i disable the trashcan? |
| 01:19.40 | Skrot- | shadok: kwin composite? |
| 01:19.43 | Clinton__ | Is there a way to clear the run dialog in KDE? |
| 01:19.50 | Skrot- | Henkie: You can permanently delete files with shift+delete |
| 01:19.51 | Jucato | satnone: wouldn't it be much easier to just copy the .kth file to the other user? |
| 01:20.01 | Jucato | Clinton__: right-click on the text input field |
| 01:20.04 | satnone | sure but i had no idea hwat the file was |
| 01:20.06 | Renze | Skrot-: he's referring to the old xrender composite stuff |
| 01:20.08 | satnone | i do now |
| 01:20.09 | Clinton__ | Jucato thank you |
| 01:20.12 | shadok | Skrot-: i suppose, i enabled the xcomposite useflag on kwin (gentoo) |
| 01:20.13 | Skrot- | Renze: ah |
| 01:20.24 | Henkie | Skrot-, i know, but i want to disable it completely |
| 01:20.34 | Renze | shadok: that is not kwin_composite... that is just kwin |
| 01:20.38 | shadok | ah :) |
| 01:20.39 | Skrot- | hm, knowing KDE, it should be possible |
| 01:20.39 | satnone | although i dont see any files in that directory |
| 01:20.45 | Renze | shadok: kwin_composite is what will be in kde4 |
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| 01:20.56 | Skrot- | Or what may be in kde4 ;) |
| 01:20.58 | shadok | ok ! :) |
| 01:21.14 | Renze | Skrot-: from what I hear, it is almost mergeable |
| 01:21.19 | Skrot- | cool |
| 01:21.24 | shadok | i hope it will be more stable than what i use today |
| 01:21.31 | Renze | shadok: it will be |
| 01:21.38 | shadok | :) |
| 01:21.49 | Henkie | because when shift-del is forgotten the files are moved to a trashcan, which is on a other parition (/), which has little space, and it take a really long time to del it |
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| 01:22.12 | Renze | bah, just remembered my parents are visiting on Sunday... that is going to suck |
| 01:22.17 | satnone | Jucato: if i create a theme does it go into that kthememanager folder |
| 01:22.26 | Clinton__ | Is there a way to simulate a right click with a keyboard combination? |
| 01:22.28 | Henkie | not every user (in my house) is savvy enough to think of the shift-del every time ;( |
| 01:22.30 | Jucato | satnone: yes I think so |
| 01:22.33 | satnone | cause i make one but dont see anything in there |
| 01:23.49 | satnone | is kth the theme file |
| 01:23.56 | satnone | .kth |
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| 01:30.38 | troy | hey, I just went to http://news.google.ca/ and the entire page has no news - anyone else see similar? |
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| 01:31.27 | Renze | troy: yup |
| 01:31.29 | troy | wow, maybe google finally imploded under it's own databases :P |
| 01:31.46 | Renze | news.google.co.nz has some sports news, but that's all |
| 01:32.04 | chavo | news.google.ca works here |
| 01:32.18 | Renze | chavo: but is there any news? |
| 01:32.22 | chavo | yes |
| 01:32.36 | troy | totally blank here... weird... |
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| 01:33.39 | Jucato | maybe only in Konqi? |
| 01:33.48 | Renze | ah, it works if I select a country next to Top Stories |
| 01:34.03 | Jucato | ah right |
| 01:34.21 | troy | now it works :) |
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| 01:34.29 | troy | no, I thing google glitched out... |
| 01:34.37 | Renze | troy: too bad... google falling down would have been funny :D |
| 01:34.40 | hydrogen | troy: its obviously because there is no news in canada |
| 01:34.43 | hydrogen | ever |
| 01:35.03 | Renze | hydrogen: not even about polar bears? |
| 01:35.09 | hydrogen | not even about polar bears |
| 01:35.23 | Renze | awww... the poor shunned polar bears... |
| 01:35.34 | Renze | troy: go out and hug a polar bear |
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| 01:37.13 | troy | no, I had news showing up 30 seconds ago, and now it's blank again :P |
| 01:37.34 | troy | Renze: have you ever seen a polar bear? I'm like the size of one of their arms... |
| 01:37.52 | Renze | troy: all the more reason to have them on your side, dude ;) |
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| 01:39.25 | StarScream | i was just thinking, this Vista thing might not be such a bad thing. We should encourage everyone to run vista. That way it will free up a whole load of really cheap PC's that will run <insert os here> + kde really nicely |
| 01:39.56 | Bearcat | lol |
| 01:40.43 | tvtoon | haha, great motto |
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| 01:43.25 | troy | Many many years ago, when you hovered the mouse over the K menu, a cheeky tooltip popped up saying 'What would you like to do tomorrow?', which was a play on MS's "What would you like to do today' campaign... does anyone else remember this? |
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| 01:43.41 | Renze | yup |
| 01:43.53 | stinger_au | yo |
| 01:44.07 | stinger_au | is there a addon tool for KDE menu that lets you search for things in the menu quickly ? |
| 01:44.53 | troy | stinger_au: the Suse 'kickoff' applet might have that,... not sure if it's available everywhere though... |
| 01:45.20 | troy | unfortunately it comes with the ugly suse logo, which kind of clashes with KDE on other distros... |
| 01:45.43 | Bearcat | stinger_au: the baghira theme comes with one too |
| 01:46.23 | madd_matt | I can understand why the distro does it though. |
| 01:46.52 | Renze | stroking one's own ego |
| 01:47.30 | madd_matt | I was going to say creating a unified feel throughout all components of the system. |
| 01:47.55 | madd_matt | Although personally I think KDE's feel is good enough ;) |
| 01:51.09 | StarScream | madd_matt: each to their own. KDE's default is very safe. It's clean and un-cluttered. It's not good or bad. It's nice |
| 01:51.36 | StarScream | However if you have say, graphic designers working with you...nice doesn't cut it. |
| 01:51.52 | StarScream | I had to theme the whole thing before they would even consider using it. |
| 01:51.56 | smileaf | Renze: yes that patch is up to date. |
| 01:52.06 | Renze | smileaf: ok, good to know ;) |
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| 01:52.33 | Bearcat | thanks all |
| 01:52.47 | StarScream | and I had one programmer who changed his whole kde to look like motif...so each to their own i guess |
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| 01:53.44 | StarScream | tis the beauty of KDE |
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| 02:13.32 | mankind_tweezer | Out of curiosity, is anyone thinking about implementing MathML in konqi? |
| 02:15.18 | Sho_ | If they are, KOffice has one of the most complete MathML implementations around these days, ripe for the picking |
| 02:15.21 | troy | mankind_tweezer: I think KDE already has a mostly working implementation of MathML, don't think it's in konq... |
| 02:15.42 | troy | mankind_tweezer: what Sho_ said :P |
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| 02:15.54 | mankind_tweezer | ah, I see |
| 02:16.02 | mankind_tweezer | thanks! |
| 02:16.15 | Jucato | :D |
| 02:16.19 | Jucato | moin Sho_! moin troy! |
| 02:17.05 | Sho_ | yo Jucato |
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| 02:20.56 | troy | Jucato: hey man. another article going live tomorrow, so you can spend all day refreshing the dot :P |
| 02:21.05 | Jucato | haha yay!! |
| 02:21.12 | Jucato | it will be from you this time? |
| 02:22.19 | troy | Jucato: I post one every tuesday... |
| 02:22.43 | Jucato | aaah :) |
| 02:23.12 | Jucato | it's ok. don't spoil the readers too much ehehe |
| 02:23.15 | Renze | but it's already tuesday |
| 02:23.24 | smileaf | is not =p |
| 02:23.25 | troy | Renze: in your timezone :P |
| 02:23.27 | hydrogen | only if you live in a dum part of the world |
| 02:23.34 | troy | Jucato: not going to happen anytime soon |
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| 02:23.44 | troy | Oxygen is likely next week though |
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| 02:24.03 | Jucato | troy: yeah, I figured that won't happen yet... :( |
| 02:24.20 | stoned | well |
| 02:24.25 | stoned | it all started with hydrogen |
| 02:24.39 | stoned | hydrogen is what makes the universe run |
| 02:24.47 | stoned | it is kinda important |
| 02:24.48 | Sho_ | Hydrogen is a nice KDE app, too |
| 02:24.53 | hydrogen | I try. |
| 02:24.59 | Jucato | Sho_: what does it do? |
| 02:25.02 | Sho_ | Jucato: Drumkit |
| 02:25.08 | stoned | its a drum sequencer |
| 02:25.15 | Jucato | oh |
| 02:25.17 | stoned | and I use it and it is fantastic |
| 02:25.21 | Sho_ | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14152 |
| 02:26.17 | Jucato | aaah! that feels nice :) |
| 02:30.38 | mathieu | when burning an Audio CD with K3B: can it print a song list too ? |
| 02:34.00 | vbgunz | im going a little nuts |
| 02:34.09 | vbgunz | what is a good file sharing program for KDE? |
| 02:34.20 | Jucato | ktorrent? |
| 02:34.22 | vbgunz | not torrent, something along the lines of gnutella |
| 02:34.26 | Jucato | heh :) |
| 02:34.32 | vbgunz | :) |
| 02:34.53 | Renze | apollon (front-end to giFT) |
| 02:35.00 | vbgunz | I remember on Gnome, gtk-gnutella is awesome, but one of the things I hate about the Gnome apps, is they use, the Gnome dialogs, etc, thats sucks :( |
| 02:35.33 | vbgunz | I thought apollon stopped developement 3 years ago, is it still active? |
| 02:36.06 | Sho_ | The newest release appears to be from May 2005 |
| 02:36.07 | Renze | don't think so... but everybody is moving away from old-style p2p and going to torrents instead |
| 02:36.24 | stoned | torrents just make sense |
| 02:36.31 | madd_matt | "everybody" in the knows-things sense. |
| 02:36.32 | stoned | only if people would just seed |
| 02:36.56 | madd_matt | Usenet alt.bins ftw though. |
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| 02:39.12 | vbgunz | I'll try apollon |
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| 02:42.56 | spawn57 | amarok lost my whole collection database |
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| 02:46.46 | bsdfox_ | spawn57: you probably had it open when permissions were wrong or something and it rescanned.. has happened to me when my samba mount died.. shouldn't be a huge deal though |
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| 02:46.53 | dextorb | Hello. |
| 02:47.05 | bsdfox_ | madd_matt: what program do you use to download nzb files? |
| 02:47.12 | spawn57 | ah |
| 02:47.29 | spawn57 | it's probably because I mount using nfs, and for some reason it's BLOODY slow |
| 02:47.50 | spawn57 | also it's no rescanning them again =| |
| 02:47.56 | Sho_ | I never could get NFS to perform properly, gave up on it and moved on to using CIFS |
| 02:48.15 | bsdfox_ | I can rescan ~11k songs over a 100mbit lan (served off a crappy 300mhz) in like 5 minutes |
| 02:48.18 | Sho_ | My Amarok collection is mounted over CIFS; works fine |
| 02:48.22 | spawn57 | i had it working fine in dapper, when I formatted for etch it went ARRRRRRGH |
| 02:48.26 | dextorb | I searched for an own kdm-channel, but I wonder, there seems to be none. I have following question: I wished, I could open a second XSession via kdm using another xorg.conf, so there are 2 XSessions running with different xorg.confs. Has anyone an idea, how to start? |
| 02:48.34 | bsdfox_ | yes I use cifs too and it's much better than smbfs/nfs :P |
| 02:48.55 | spawn57 | cifs is smbfs isn't it? or is it a standard now? |
| 02:49.10 | bsdfox_ | it's the newer samba basically |
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| 02:49.17 | Sho_ | spawn57: CIFS adds full Posix compliance, among other things |
| 02:49.18 | bsdfox_ | smbfs is deprecated |
| 02:49.25 | Sho_ | spawn57: Which makes it useful as a network fs for Linux |
| 02:49.25 | bsdfox_ | cifs is just better |
| 02:49.42 | spawn57 | ahhh |
| 02:50.12 | spawn57 | i use samba and mount the same dirs when I'm in windows ...any cifs how tos for debian sarge? |
| 02:50.39 | Sho_ | spawn57: The server end stays the same, you just pop on CIFS in your Linux kernel and mount as cifs rather than smbfs |
| 02:50.50 | Sho_ | spawn57: smbfs is on the way to be deprecated anyway |
| 02:51.56 | bsdfox_ | spawn57: make sure you mount it and don't just browse with konqueror cause you can't add files to amarok like that |
| 02:51.59 | bsdfox_ | not til kde4 |
| 02:52.19 | unity | Sho_: in favor of cifs? |
| 02:52.25 | spawn57 | wait wait on't browse with konqueror? |
| 02:52.25 | Sho_ | What made me go from smbfs to cifs initially was that I wanted to network-mount my Akregator feed archive, but it wouldn't work with smbfs due to lack of full POSIX compliance with regards to file names. Mounting as cifs solved it. |
| 02:52.31 | unity | Sho_: meaning vista will no longer use smb? |
| 02:52.46 | Sho_ | unity: 2k/XP already use CIFS, afaik |
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| 02:52.53 | bsdfox_ | Sho_: correct |
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| 02:53.05 | bsdfox_ | dunno about 2k but xp uses cifs |
| 02:53.05 | unity | i'm not sure about the terminology, so then 98 and 95 used smb? |
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| 02:53.21 | bsdfox_ | unity: yeah |
| 02:53.25 | Sho_ | yup |
| 02:53.29 | unity | because i use samba to share to xp, i assumed it was smb |
| 02:54.03 | unity | it easily outperforms windows in terms of speed on a 100 mbit lan |
| 02:54.11 | Sho_ | unity: CIFS is basically an improved SMB, Microsoft renamed it back in 1996 |
| 02:54.34 | Sho_ | unity: SMB was getting some competition at the time and Microsoft spruced it up |
| 02:54.48 | unity | Sho_: would be nice if they adopted nfs... =/ |
| 02:54.58 | unity | Sho_: not sure what are the business rammifications of that |
| 02:55.16 | Sho_ | unity: What is likely about to be deprecated in Linux is the smbfs code, in favor of the cifs code. |
| 02:55.20 | bsdfox_ | unity: my 300mhz celeron fileserver outperforms all windows computers for cifs on 100mbit |
| 02:55.29 | bsdfox_ | I basically get 8mbps speady |
| 02:55.36 | bsdfox_ | MB/s |
| 02:55.41 | Sho_ | unity: Microsoft does have NFS server/client implementations for Windows in their "Unix Services for Windows" package, which is free as in beer |
| 02:55.54 | unity | i get 12,008 KB/sec, not sure what that translates to in MB |
| 02:56.05 | unity | Sho_: oh really, was not aware of that |
| 02:56.13 | hydrogen | unity: divide by 1024 or 1000 |
| 02:56.16 | Sho_ | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/interopmigration/unix/sfu/default.mspx |
| 02:56.19 | hydrogen | depending on metric or standard >_< |
| 02:56.21 | bsdfox_ | ~12MB/s which is faster than 100mbit should be able to go |
| 02:56.22 | apt | bsdfox_: what are you talking about? |
| 02:56.37 | bsdfox_ | apt: cifs/smbfs performance |
| 02:56.39 | unity | Sho_: i always thought you had to pay for nfs. like it came with windows server family only... |
| 02:56.55 | smileaf | bsdfox_: apt is a bot ;) |
| 02:56.56 | Sho_ | unity: SFU used to be payware, they free'd (as in beer) it about ~18 month ago |
| 02:57.05 | bsdfox_ | good to know :P |
| 02:57.32 | unity | ~this is how you talk to apt? |
| 02:57.34 | apt | unity: I think you lost me on that one |
| 02:57.43 | smileaf | have yet to see free beer around here :S |
| 02:57.44 | bsdfox_ | how do you get 12MB/s unity? |
| 02:57.57 | Sho_ | unity: Though they've announced there will be no more new versions, instead this is supposed to be integrated into the Vista Server release |
| 02:57.57 | unity | bsdfox_: not sure...maybe because i'm on a switch and not a hub? |
| 02:58.00 | smileaf | 12,008 / 1000 |
| 02:58.36 | bsdfox_ | unity: that's only possible with like 0% overhead |
| 02:58.49 | hydrogen | 11.7MB/s if its 1024 kb |
| 02:58.54 | bsdfox_ | I think 10MB/s is in theory as fast as you can go |
| 02:59.01 | unity | not quite |
| 02:59.10 | unity | i think you have to divide 100 by 8 to get 12.5 |
| 02:59.17 | bsdfox_ | right |
| 02:59.18 | unity | 12.5 MB/sec |
| 02:59.25 | bsdfox_ | then there is this thing called network overhead |
| 02:59.27 | Renze | don't forget the start and stop bits, so it is /10 |
| 03:00.05 | smileaf | and lets all not forget about our cups of tea! so thats /1 |
| 03:00.15 | Renze | mmmmm... tea... |
| 03:00.22 | hydrogen | mmm... beer |
| 03:00.24 | unity | Sho_: not sure what free as in beer means (i've heard it a lot and never understood it because beer isn't free here in U.S.A) but still, thx, i will look into it |
| 03:00.26 | Renze | with scones? |
| 03:00.40 | Alethes | how do I get a split window in konq to save the urls for both windows in a profile? |
| 03:00.42 | Renze | it means free financially |
| 03:00.54 | Sho_ | unity: You don't need to pay money to download and use it |
| 03:01.01 | unity | Renze: i'm probably taking those bits into consideration since i'm looking at the traffic on the NIC, not on the protocol-level file transfer |
| 03:01.02 | smileaf | unity: if your a woman there is LOTS of free beer in the USA. |
| 03:01.24 | unity | smileaf: i'm actually a dude, as much as i would like to deny that |
| 03:01.41 | Sho_ | unity: The "free beer" thing derives from Richard Stallman explaining the free in free software as "free as in speech, not as in beer" |
| 03:02.13 | hydrogen | free cost not free source |
| 03:03.09 | unity | so if someone says free as in beer, they also mean it's not open source? |
| 03:03.13 | unity | or gpl? |
| 03:03.16 | Sho_ | unity: exactly |
| 03:03.26 | Sho_ | unity: It doesn't cost money, but it's not free software |
| 03:04.33 | Jucato | although free software can also be free as in beer at the same time :) |
| 03:04.50 | unity | oh yeah, this is offtopic for our current conversation, but i read that a google SOC intern was able to write file tranfers/direct AIM code for kopete and it worked fairly well..yet it still isn't in kopete for some reason? |
| 03:05.40 | Sho_ | sounds like a question for #kopete |
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| 03:08.32 | Dead-Locked | how do i keep a program from accessing the internet? |
| 03:09.22 | unity | Dead-Locked: maybe take a look at hardened linux |
| 03:09.47 | Dead-Locked | Link? |
| 03:09.51 | spawn57 | have any of you tried to use nfs4? |
| 03:09.54 | unity | Dead-Locked: not sure about that, though, never tried it myself |
| 03:10.07 | unity | Dead-Locked: just heard it from someone else upon asking the same question |
| 03:10.14 | unity | http://hardenedlinux.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 03:10.39 | unity | anyway, if you're using gentoo, there is also hardenend-sources |
| 03:10.54 | Dead-Locked | I'm using Suse. |
| 03:10.56 | Dead-Locked | :-( |
| 03:11.19 | bsdfox_ | Dead-Locked: sorry |
| 03:11.29 | unity | spawn57: i've seen that the kernel menuconfig marks it as EXPERIMENTAL, which means you probably don't want to use it for anything but experimenting |
| 03:11.49 | Dead-Locked | What's wrong with SUSE? |
| 03:12.01 | Okiesmokie | Does anyone know any articles on setting up a Japanese IME in KDE? |
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| 03:13.20 | smileaf | Okiesmokie: Distro? |
| 03:13.22 | spawn57 | still...damn |
| 03:14.13 | Okiesmokie | smileaf: SuSE 10.2 |
| 03:15.23 | spawn57 | dammit, mounting smbfs reuqires me to write down my passwd in the /etc/fstab file, that's not good |
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| 03:16.52 | smileaf | Okiesmokie: might ask in #suse |
| 03:17.08 | Okiesmokie | smileaf: Ah, I thought it was KDE-related, sorry |
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| 03:20.27 | ner0x | Is there a way to change the name of a kterm in the term itself? |
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| 03:30.05 | vbgunz | I remember when sending all apps to the taskbar to "show desktop", then clicking an app brings it to the front and all other apps behind it was cool... now it is sort of getting in the way... anyone know how to get finer control here? |
| 03:30.57 | bsdfox_ | spawn57: this is how I handle that.. |
| 03:31.14 | spawn57 | credentials file? |
| 03:31.15 | bsdfox_ | /goomba/media /smb/media cifs auto,credentials=/root/.credentials,uid=1000,ip=192.168.0.4 0 0 |
| 03:31.24 | spawn57 | yeah that's what I'm doing now hehe |
| 03:31.40 | bsdfox_ | h36sa@bowser ~ $ sudo cat /root/.credentials |
| 03:31.43 | spawn57 | .credentials ...ahh i forget I should do that |
| 03:31.47 | bsdfox_ | username=h36sa |
| 03:31.47 | bsdfox_ | password= |
| 03:31.55 | bsdfox_ | yeah you get it |
| 03:32.11 | bsdfox_ | chmod 700 it too |
| 03:32.15 | bsdfox_ | or 400 whatever you want |
| 03:32.25 | spawn57 | you keep all the users in the credentials file or do you keep it a file each for each user in their home dir |
| 03:33.17 | bsdfox_ | I only have that one file |
| 03:33.24 | bsdfox_ | you could do it however you want to though |
| 03:33.41 | spawn57 | hmm |
| 03:33.47 | bsdfox_ | I think you need a different filename for each user/pass you need to use |
| 03:33.48 | vbgunz | Ctrl+Alt+S? |
| 03:34.04 | spawn57 | yeah, that makes more sense because all the users can use it |
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| 03:48.16 | mathieu | k3b is not burning CD audio, like the Simulate option would be on, but its OFF |
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| 04:02.28 | highneko | Using kate is it possible to manually save a backup in the gui quickly and keep editing the main file? |
| 04:03.35 | StarScream | highneko: hmm manually hey....probably not |
| 04:03.44 | StarScream | there is an automagic backup save option |
| 04:03.46 | highneko | If I want save as then entered file.bak then it would start editing the fiel.bak right? |
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| 04:04.47 | highneko | I'm smart enough to make backups only when they're needed. :3 |
| 04:05.30 | Chani | so, if I put export FOO=bar in my .xinitrc, it does nothing... I need to set some vars for any program kde starts (input method stuff), and I'm not sure how. any suggestions? |
| 04:06.22 | Chani | I don't think bashrc will work either... but I'm sure there's some file I can dump these vars into |
| 04:06.50 | troy | Chani: I usually put that sort of stuff into .bashrc, and then reload the shell... |
| 04:06.52 | Chani | I'm using kubuntu, but I'm more used to gentoo's config |
| 04:07.00 | madd_matt | Chani, try /etc/profile |
| 04:07.02 | troy | Chani: on kubuntu :) |
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| 04:07.22 | Chani | troy: I think bashrc will only help me if I run kde from bash |
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| 04:08.02 | troy | Chani: yeah... there's always .profile |
| 04:08.12 | chavo | Chani, you can use ~/.kde/env also |
| 04:09.05 | Chani | ahh, .profile may be what I want |
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| 04:12.28 | troy | chavo: I don't think .kde/env is executed until some parts of KDE are already loaded though... not certain of that though... |
| 04:13.14 | Renze | ~autostart |
| 04:13.15 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273 |
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| 04:14.12 | solid_liquid | anyone know if I can setup konsole to automatically switch my schema to VIMColors when I run vim? |
| 04:14.38 | Renze | solid_liquid: I doubt it |
| 04:14.44 | Chani | .profile didnt work |
| 04:14.55 | Dr_willis | hmm.. if ya could figure out a command to change schemas,, ya could make an alias. |
| 04:15.01 | Renze | Chani: see the url that apt just supplied |
| 04:15.03 | solid_liquid | Renze: konsole is smart enough to change the title bar based on context |
| 04:15.17 | Renze | solid_liquid: that's a feature that xterm also does |
| 04:15.23 | solid_liquid | Dr_willis: I was thinking about how it already responds to context |
| 04:15.53 | Renze | solid_liquid: actually, it is the shell doing all the work in changing the title |
| 04:16.00 | Renze | not konsole |
| 04:16.05 | solid_liquid | Renze: how does it do that? |
| 04:16.18 | solid_liquid | Renze: I read about it once, but can't remember |
| 04:16.24 | Dr_willis | title bar is just some escape sequences i thought. :) |
| 04:16.24 | Renze | by using xterm features that also exist in konqueror |
| 04:16.25 | tvtoon | solid_liquid, -ls |
| 04:16.27 | Renze | konsole* |
| 04:16.34 | Dr_willis | seen xterm do similer things. with prompt settings |
| 04:16.42 | Renze | yes, it is just escape sequences |
| 04:16.50 | solid_liquid | hrm |
| 04:16.52 | vbgunz | how do I make an "alias" permanent? |
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| 04:17.04 | Chani | Renze: yeah, trying that now |
| 04:17.05 | solid_liquid | but how about new escape sequences for konsole to trap? ;) |
| 04:17.21 | solid_liquid | hrm |
| 04:17.21 | solid_liquid | or |
| 04:18.01 | Renze | solid_liquid: feel free to implement it and submit a patch |
| 04:18.23 | solid_liquid | Renze: heheh |
| 04:18.27 | troy | vbgunz: add it to .bashrc |
| 04:18.36 | vbgunz | troy: thanks :) |
| 04:18.38 | StarScream | highneko: i would suggest putting the document / code etc.. into subversion or something like that |
| 04:18.41 | solid_liquid | I'm kinda busy with my own project right now... |
| 04:18.42 | solid_liquid | :( |
| 04:18.48 | StarScream | that way you can "commit" backups |
| 04:19.07 | StarScream | your self when you are ready |
| 04:19.09 | troy | vbgunz: the one I always add to any account I have is alias more='less' |
| 04:19.32 | Renze | less is more |
| 04:19.52 | troy | Renze: eaxtly, only it's more than more :) |
| 04:19.53 | solid_liquid | doc is better than cat |
| 04:19.58 | solid_liquid | s/doc/dog/ |
| 04:20.06 | vbgunz | Renze: yeah, I heard about that... basically the difference is more, scrolls to the end whereas less will let you examine the document a bit more, correct? |
| 04:20.08 | solid_liquid | grr |
| 04:20.13 | solid_liquid | dog is better than cat :D |
| 04:20.26 | Renze | vbgunz: they are both pagers... but less is better |
| 04:20.27 | bsdfox_ | cat > dog all day long |
| 04:20.33 | troy | vbgunz: yes, plus a few other things... for example, hitting '/' in less lets you search for a string, and so forth... |
| 04:20.36 | solid_liquid | no, dog > cat |
| 04:20.40 | vbgunz | ahh |
| 04:20.40 | Renze | cat > dog |
| 04:20.46 | bsdfox_ | dogs can't take care of themselves |
| 04:20.50 | solid_liquid | d/l dog and read its docs, it's better! ;) |
| 04:20.55 | bsdfox_ | leave them alone and they will tear your house apart |
| 04:20.55 | hydrogen | r |
| 04:21.14 | solid_liquid | my dog never tore my house apart |
| 04:21.27 | solid_liquid | in fact, she caught a mouse and stopped some burglars |
| 04:21.49 | Renze | troy: what's new? |
| 04:21.50 | solid_liquid | and she did take care of herself... she knew how to go into the cabinets to get to her food |
| 04:22.10 | solid_liquid | :P |
| 04:26.08 | troy | time to sleep guys - hope my article this week isn't too dry... no screenshots for an article about the buildsystem... |
| 04:26.15 | troy | later... |
| 04:26.32 | Renze | nite troy |
| 04:27.26 | Chani | Renze: the .kde.env/ thing worked, yay :) |
| 04:27.31 | Renze | Chani: cool |
| 04:27.40 | Chani | I suppose I should move ssh-agent to there too, instead of using xinitrc |
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| 04:34.25 | solid_liquid | bsdfox_: http://huygens.ca.infn.it/cgi-bin/man/man2html?1+Dog |
| 04:34.35 | solid_liquid | bsdfox_: see, told you dog was better than cat! ;) |
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| 04:35.09 | Chani | troy-ZzZz: I'm in a konsole kind of mood lately |
| 04:35.23 | qupada | solid_liquid: having used it however, i would tend to disagree |
| 04:35.48 | solid_liquid | dog works fine for me :) |
| 04:36.29 | qupada | sure it works, but it doesn't have any real advantages over cat to necessitate having it installed |
| 04:36.37 | solid_liquid | qupada: try this: dog --images index.html |
| 04:36.48 | qupada | compared to the less vs more argument, more is useless |
| 04:36.50 | solid_liquid | dog --links index.html |
| 04:36.58 | solid_liquid | more sucks |
| 04:37.11 | qupada | i didn't say i still had it installed |
| 04:37.23 | solid_liquid | but dog does have some really nice capabilities in it, read the man page |
| 04:37.29 | qupada | this should clear things up: http://bash.org/?217604 |
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| 04:38.43 | solid_liquid | and being able to send the output to a TCP or UDP port is nice |
| 04:39.00 | qupada | that's what netcat is for |
| 04:39.29 | solid_liquid | heheh |
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| 04:39.37 | solid_liquid | ah, but all in one tool |
| 04:39.43 | solid_liquid | shorter pipe |
| 04:39.46 | qupada | and netcat comes with the added bonus of being able to listen on a port and spew output to stdout as well as send it |
| 04:42.03 | solid_liquid | and dog has --krad! :) |
| 04:42.07 | solid_liquid | ;) |
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| 04:43.05 | jay_ | what is the best kde app to monitor eth0 connection, connecting when necessary and disconnecting |
| 04:43.49 | wolsni | jay_: knetworkmanager? |
| 04:44.24 | qupada | solid_liquid: and again with the indecipherable options. personally i'm much happier with a tried and tested app like cat than something that someone appears to maintain in their spare time |
| 04:44.51 | jay_ | so i plug in a network cable, knetworkmanager will auto talk 2 dhcp server and get me an IP and so on? |
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| 04:45.05 | wolsni | jay_: yes |
| 04:45.28 | Chani | I <3 knetworkmanager |
| 04:45.40 | solid_liquid | qupada: actually, I don't think it's been maintained since 1999 ;) lol |
| 04:45.46 | Chani | except when it randomly stops seeing my interfaces |
| 04:45.53 | wolsni | latest fedora updates borked it for me :( |
| 04:45.54 | qupada | solid_liquid: well my point exactly |
| 04:46.02 | Chani | I actually wrote a script to kill and restart the NetworkManager stuff |
| 04:46.09 | Chani | because it happens so frigging often |
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| 04:46.31 | wolsni | Chani: you need a networkmanager manager daemon :) |
| 04:46.46 | Chani | >.< |
| 04:46.58 | wolsni | you'd think they'd have a check in there |
| 04:47.18 | wolsni | if (num_adapters == 0) rescan_adapters(); |
| 04:48.19 | Chani | it randomly happens sometimes when it comes out of hibernation |
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| 04:48.39 | Chani | also, there is something else in kubuntu that sometimes autoconnects and doesn't tell networkmanager |
| 04:48.50 | wolsni | weird |
| 04:48.56 | Chani | so I'll be online, but it'll be telling me I'm not |
| 04:49.06 | Chani | I think that's related to hibernation too |
| 04:49.14 | Chani | but I should be studying |
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| 04:52.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | dang gum it, I wish I'd just get an error that I wrote <stdio.h.> by mistake then seeimplicit declaration of function `printf' and have to slap my self |
| 04:52.52 | wolsni | three cheers for the c++ preprocessor! |
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| 05:14.27 | tripppy | how do i run krfb in the background (silent) ? |
| 05:15.10 | Renze | tripppy: you don't need to... kinetd takes care of that for you |
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| 05:15.54 | Renze | er, it's not kinetd any more... but it will start as soon as an incoming connection is detected |
| 05:16.18 | tripppy | mmm. sorry im not using a KDE enviorment. X. |
| 05:16.24 | Renze | ah |
| 05:16.51 | texnofobix | hrmm |
| 05:17.12 | Renze | tripppy: then I really don't have a clue, sorry... I've never used any KDE components outside of KDE |
| 05:17.42 | tripppy | ok |
| 05:17.50 | tripppy | thanx for trying to help anyways. |
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| 05:21.19 | Krazytekn0 | anyone here? |
| 05:21.24 | Renze | nope |
| 05:21.30 | Krazytekn0 | heh |
| 05:21.44 | Krazytekn0 | I'm looking for some help with Kate |
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| 05:22.10 | shadok | you're lost ? ^^ |
| 05:22.12 | texnofobix | sorry i'm not good with women |
| 05:22.28 | texnofobix | Kate is hard woman to understand |
| 05:22.43 | Krazytekn0 | haha |
| 05:22.56 | Krazytekn0 | the text editor, |
| 05:23.03 | texnofobix | oh ... :P |
| 05:23.44 | texnofobix | i use nano usually |
| 05:24.01 | Krazytekn0 | The auto-indent function only works when I'm logged in as root or running as root, does anyone know what permissions might be screwed up? |
| 05:24.50 | Krazytekn0 | I'm thinking of doing something like that, the auto indent would just be nice |
| 05:25.08 | Krazytekn0 | using nano or vim again |
| 05:26.11 | wolsni | Krazytekn0: indent styles are set in the Tools->Indentation menu |
| 05:26.41 | texnofobix | i use nano mostly b/c I have shell accounts on a lot of systems w/o X |
| 05:27.18 | Krazytekn0 | wolsni, yeah, I have the settings configured but it just doesn't do it unless I'm running as root |
| 05:27.45 | Krazytekn0 | I've even put the variables in the documents |
| 05:33.10 | canllaith | hey all |
| 05:33.19 | Renze | hi canllaith |
| 05:33.23 | texnofobix | hi canllaith |
| 05:34.10 | hydrogen | HI CANLLIATH |
| 05:34.28 | hydrogen | how the eff am I supposed to say that name without swallowing my tongue? |
| 05:34.37 | Renze | hydrogen: learn welsh |
| 05:34.50 | hydrogen | Renze: i said without swallowing my tongue |
| 05:35.23 | texnofobix | canl liath? |
| 05:35.35 | texnofobix | is that how you would say it? |
| 05:35.56 | texnofobix | i dont know welsh at all. i have a german background :\ |
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| 05:38.31 | Jucato | canllaith!!! hi :) |
| 05:38.34 | canllaith | hydrogen: You don't. You type it :) Or rather tab complete it. |
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| 05:40.32 | texnofobix | rofl |
| 05:40.44 | Jucato | :) |
| 05:40.45 | hydrogen | HOHO |
| 05:40.50 | hydrogen | foiled again |
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| 05:48.37 | Jucato | does KDE ship with (in one of its modules) a utility to create mount points and mount partitions? (kdiskfree only mounts/unmounts) Would be nice if it also showed some info like kdiskfree :) |
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| 05:49.29 | texnofobix | kdisk? |
| 05:49.39 | texnofobix | normally you'd need root for that |
| 05:49.48 | Jucato | of course :) |
| 05:49.49 | texnofobix | i know suse has support in YaST |
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| 05:50.05 | Jucato | I was wondering if KDE had its own |
| 05:50.14 | texnofobix | not sure |
| 05:50.18 | Jucato | thanks :) |
| 05:50.35 | texnofobix | i'll check gentoo portage quick |
| 05:51.25 | texnofobix | hmm i dont see one |
| 05:51.48 | Jucato | ok. that ends my wondering :) |
| 05:51.58 | texnofobix | make one then ;) |
| 05:52.10 | Jucato | kde-guidance (which only Kubuntu currently uses) has a mountconfig utility though... |
| 05:52.15 | Jucato | but... oh well :) |
| 05:52.37 | texnofobix | i dont know of one yet |
| 05:52.44 | texnofobix | i do most things with a text editor |
| 05:52.54 | Jucato | texnofobix: oh you don't know how many apps I want to write :D |
| 05:52.57 | Renze | konsole ftw! |
| 05:52.58 | texnofobix | but then i've been playing with linux since around 98 |
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| 05:53.35 | texnofobix | heh make a list |
| 05:53.39 | Renze | konsole + screen + zsh ftw! |
| 05:53.44 | Jucato | I use Konsole too.sometimes I just want to do some stuff as quickly as possible |
| 05:53.51 | texnofobix | maybe i'll get bored and actually learn how to program |
| 05:54.05 | texnofobix | konsole + screen + bash ftw |
| 05:54.16 | Jucato | maybe when I get out of my procrastinating state, I'll continue my C++ reading :D |
| 05:54.17 | Renze | zsh owns bash |
| 05:54.34 | canllaith | agreed |
| 05:54.46 | canllaith | It is not installed on our work servers :(( |
| 05:55.48 | texnofobix | i've never used zsh |
| 05:55.48 | canllaith | it is bourne compatible |
| 05:55.48 | texnofobix | i need to stumble into the mysql channels |
| 05:55.49 | canllaith | but it has some crazy awesome completion features |
| 05:55.51 | canllaith | for a start it autocompletes dcop calls =) |
| 05:55.52 | texnofobix | and learn about he 3d db |
| 05:56.00 | canllaith | s/autocompletes/tab completes/ |
| 05:56.31 | Jucato | ooh kool |
| 05:58.37 | Jucato | canllaith: how are you? haven't seen you for quite a while :) |
| 05:59.02 | canllaith | working my ass off :) |
| 05:59.12 | canllaith | but I've been 100% billable for two weeks straight and will be again this week, and that's great. |
| 05:59.47 | Jucato | hehe :) |
| 06:00.00 | Jucato | glad to virtually see you're ok :) |
| 06:00.22 | canllaith | I have an interesting project on at the moment and it's the sort I get to work on alone which is my favourite kind yay! |
| 06:00.22 | canllaith | Yes, very much ok :) |
| 06:01.07 | Jucato | hahah! you like working alone on a project? :D |
| 06:01.23 | canllaith | Yes, that is my favourite kind. Unless it is quite a special person I'm working with. |
| 06:01.45 | Jucato | hehe |
| 06:01.54 | canllaith | Usually I find the more people, the less efficiency. |
| 06:02.11 | texnofobix | unless they know more about somethign than you? |
| 06:02.27 | texnofobix | something that you need in the project? |
| 06:02.30 | canllaith | the problem with big projects is you end up with lots of management infrastructure that isn't always necessary |
| 06:02.34 | Jucato | canllaith: true. I mostly like to work alone too. but on a case to case basis |
| 06:02.42 | canllaith | and which frustrates me a lot |
| 06:03.17 | canllaith | It's just personality types - some people work better if they have lots of other people around to bounce ideas off and flourish in a group. Some people find it too distracting and get more done alone. I'm the latter. |
| 06:03.30 | Renze | ditto |
| 06:03.39 | canllaith | On a large project with lots of people I'll tend to ensure I have a subtask or two that allow me to spend a lot of time working alone, reporting back to the group with my progress every now and then. |
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| 06:17.34 | kilikil | Google is mute on this :'( |
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| 06:26.39 | canllaith | yay work finished |
| 06:26.41 | Jucato_ | wow! just in time for the netsplit :) |
| 06:26.42 | texnofobix | canllaith: did you break the tubes? |
| 06:26.42 | canllaith | I don't look after tubes anymore so nope! |
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| 06:34.50 | row | oooo |
| 06:34.55 | row | korganizer using 80%+ of my memory |
| 06:34.57 | row | wtf |
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| 06:36.48 | Chanika | k, so I have a bit of an issue with konsole |
| 06:37.05 | Chanika | it'll only let me choose monospace fonts, and I can't find any chinese monospace fonts |
| 06:37.15 | Chanika | everything available only shows about half the characters |
| 06:37.29 | Chanika | so I see lots of dots and can't figure out what's being said. |
| 06:38.31 | Chanika | I don't really know what to do. I mean, it seems unlikely that I can force konsole to accept a variable-width font. it seems even more unlikely that I can persuade someone to create a new font for me. |
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| 06:38.59 | Chanika | but.. it seems my friend in gnome can see chinese just fine with his courier font. fscking gnome. |
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| 06:46.54 | User2323 | hello, anyone know what's going on with Tenor? |
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| 06:47.46 | Chanika | anyone know where chinese kde users would hang out? |
| 06:47.56 | Chanika | anyone even awake? :) |
| 06:48.05 | Chanika | frigging time zones |
| 06:48.56 | Chanika | okay, so gnome-terminal has a font called "monospace" which supposedly has chinese. wonder if I can hijack that for konsole somehow... |
| 06:49.44 | User2323 | Chanika: what distro? |
| 06:50.01 | Chanika | kubuntu |
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| 06:52.33 | User2323 | Chanika: Oh, sorry, I'm not really familiar with kubuntu |
| 06:52.34 | Chanika | wtf. I have the "monospace" font. but it's not giving me chinese |
| 06:52.45 | Chanika | why the heck does gnome make it magically work? |
| 06:53.08 | Chanika | or maybe there are two with the same name and I somehow got the lame one |
| 06:53.57 | User2323 | Chanika: From what I've seen, every distro chooses its own "monospace" font |
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| 06:58.50 | Chanika | User2323: my friend is using ubuntu. I'm using kubuntu. you'd think they'd be the same... |
| 07:00.57 | User2323 | Chanika: I'd think so too. Are you both using the same version? |
| 07:01.04 | Chanika | yup |
| 07:01.15 | Chanika | maybe not the exact same upgrade-level |
| 07:01.34 | Chanika | and mine's been around longer, more cruft, more packages installed |
| 07:02.51 | User2323 | Chanika: You mean your friend has more recent updates? |
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| 07:19.36 | lordvetinari | g'morning all |
| 07:20.10 | lordvetinari | i usually install my entire windows' fonts directory :D |
| 07:20.41 | Chani | I haven't had windows in yearts |
| 07:20.51 | lordvetinari | heh |
| 07:21.29 | lordvetinari | mom needs to do windowsey stuff that wine doesnt support yet, and varsity has a microsoft Academic alliance thing, so i dont pay for 'doze in any case :) |
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| 08:06.59 | incorrect | other than quanta what html/php dev environments are there? |
| 08:07.17 | incorrect | qt based that is |
| 08:07.49 | lordvetinari | i've used kdevelop with more success than quanta |
| 08:08.40 | lordvetinari | ;) |
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| 08:09.36 | incorrect | ill try kdevelop |
| 08:09.47 | lordvetinari | good luck |
| 08:09.53 | incorrect | quanta needs something |
| 08:09.55 | incorrect | not sure what |
| 08:10.14 | Jucato | although kdevelop is more of a programming IDE than a html IDE |
| 08:10.26 | Jucato | incorrect: quanta needs work... that's what :) |
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| 08:11.03 | incorrect | basically i am just argo with the interface showing hidden files |
| 08:11.16 | incorrect | and the auto keeps finishing stuff in the wrong place |
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| 08:11.54 | incorrect | i don't like the tabs at the bottom, as i have more files |
| 08:12.11 | lordvetinari | heh |
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| 08:12.23 | incorrect | my little project keeps growing :D |
| 08:12.29 | thiago | Quanta is the best you're going to get |
| 08:12.38 | Chani | I still have a font issue |
| 08:12.44 | lordvetinari | morning thiago |
| 08:12.54 | incorrect | ill try kdevelop |
| 08:12.58 | Jucato | moin thiago |
| 08:13.03 | thiago | moin Jucato |
| 08:13.20 | incorrect | a simple editor would syntax highlighting would do |
| 08:13.29 | lordvetinari | tried kate? |
| 08:13.30 | incorrect | just one that can show all my files and hide the temp |
| 08:13.30 | Jucato | Kate then? |
| 08:13.50 | Chani | and I can't tell if I'm genrealy failing to install new fonts, or if I installed a new one that came with a crappuer monospace and destroyed the default, or if gnome really does have different fonts from kde |
| 08:13.59 | incorrect | nope |
| 08:14.04 | incorrect | apt-get install kate :) |
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| 08:14.56 | Chani | this doesn't make sense. why would ubuntu have chinese-friendly fonts and kubuntu not!? |
| 08:15.12 | Chani | it must be something obvious that I'm too tired to see |
| 08:15.15 | incorrect | Chani: maybe you need to install them? |
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| 08:15.21 | Chani | incorrect: see above |
| 08:15.35 | Chani | I've tried installing lots, niot sure if it succeedded |
| 08:15.36 | incorrect | i converted from ubuntu to kubuntu things went a bit funny |
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| 08:15.50 | Chani | I alreadty had lots installed so the list was too long to notice changes |
| 08:16.06 | Chani | except the list of monospace fonts. that's still short and useless |
| 08:16.38 | Chani | supposedly the "monospace" font works fine in gnome-terminal |
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| 08:16.50 | Chani | but for me half the chinmese chars are dots |
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| 08:17.28 | thiago | are you sure you selected the font that includes those chars? |
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| 08:17.35 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 08:17.51 | raddy | I am trying create a kommander script |
| 08:18.28 | incorrect | is there anything nearing the gimp yet in kde? |
| 08:18.30 | raddy | How do use environment vars in kommander script |
| 08:19.04 | raddy | for example i wanna create a file in /home/username/bin |
| 08:20.07 | incorrect | kate seems not too bad |
| 08:20.40 | thiago | incorrect: krita |
| 08:20.43 | annma | incorrect: krita |
| 08:20.52 | Jucato | incorrect: krita |
| 08:20.53 | annma | ;) |
| 08:20.56 | Jucato | hehe :) |
| 08:21.01 | thiago | anyone else? |
| 08:21.03 | thiago | :-) |
| 08:21.08 | Renze | um, krita |
| 08:21.27 | thiago | Karbon has a different purpose |
| 08:21.33 | Jucato | I just have an issue with Krita and text... but easily solved... |
| 08:21.40 | Jucato | thiago: yep, I know.. vector graphics |
| 08:21.45 | raddy | can anybody help |
| 08:22.11 | Renze | raddy: sorry, never used kommander |
| 08:22.33 | Jucato | I spend most of time looking for functions/features in Karbon than actually working... less than the time I spent when I first opened up Inkscape... |
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| 08:22.56 | Chani | thiago: I don't know. my friend with ubuntu says the "monospace" font works in gnome-terminal, but in konsole it doesn't work for me. the 6 monospace fonts konsole lets me choose are all missing half the chinese chars |
| 08:23.07 | thiago | Chani: "Monospace" is not one font. |
| 08:23.17 | thiago | Chani: if you select *the* font that has those characters, do they appear? |
| 08:23.25 | Chani | thiago: is there any way of telling who has what monospace? |
| 08:23.35 | Chani | thiago: what font that has those characters? |
| 08:24.00 | thiago | Chani: you're the one that has that font. |
| 08:24.07 | Chani | on my comp, only specific chinese fonts have all chinese chars, and konsole refuses to let me choose them because they're variable width |
| 08:24.13 | thiago | "Monospace" is a generic font |
| 08:24.31 | thiago | and, yeah, you can only use monospace fonts in Konsole |
| 08:24.50 | Chani | there is one "monospace" font in the 6 fonts konsole lets me choose from, and it doesn't have the chars I need |
| 08:24.59 | Chani | none of the 6 do |
| 08:25.07 | thiago | Qt 3.x has a very bad font substitution engine |
| 08:25.11 | thiago | no help there |
| 08:25.21 | Chani | but the "monospace" that my friend uses in gnome does have all the chinese chars |
| 08:25.27 | thiago | if you really need those chars, you need to specifically set the font with those characters. |
| 08:25.42 | Chani | how do I set the font when konsole won't let me? |
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| 08:27.53 | incorrect | strange kde's syntax highlighting isn't so sweet as quanta |
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| 08:28.23 | sredna | incorrect: ? |
| 08:28.28 | Jucato | er? |
| 08:28.37 | Skrot- | Doesn't quanta use kate? |
| 08:28.38 | incorrect | well quanta had bold |
| 08:28.46 | incorrect | it looks like it does |
| 08:28.50 | incorrect | but it doesn't render so well |
| 08:29.31 | sredna | impossible, quanta, kate/kwrite and for that matter kdevelop and kile are all using teh same eidtor component pr default |
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| 08:29.55 | thiago | incorrect: what do you mean by "kde's syntax highlighting"? |
| 08:30.14 | Skrot- | Probably kate |
| 08:30.25 | Chani | thiago: is there any way of forcing konsole to use a variable width font? |
| 08:30.29 | Skrot- | Or whatever engine is used in kwrite/kate/kdevelop/etc |
| 08:30.56 | incorrect | thiago: sorry, i see that there seem to be a set of common syntax highlighting rules |
| 08:30.57 | thiago | Chani: no |
| 08:31.02 | Chani | damn :( |
| 08:31.05 | thiago | Chani: Konsole can only use fixed-width |
| 08:31.08 | incorrect | i assume they come from some kde subsystem |
| 08:31.10 | Chani | maybe I'll install rxvt |
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| 08:31.14 | thiago | incorrect: they are |
| 08:31.25 | Renze | incorrect: all the above apps use the same editor component |
| 08:31.32 | thiago | incorrect: Quanta's, KWrite's and KDevelop's syntax highlighting rules are all Kate's syntax highlighting |
| 08:31.34 | incorrect | however quanta renders the rules much nicer than kate |
| 08:31.44 | lordvetinari | incorrect, you can change how it renders.. |
| 08:31.45 | incorrect | oh wait |
| 08:31.49 | incorrect | i think i know why |
| 08:32.14 | incorrect | doh |
| 08:32.20 | lordvetinari | Settings -> Configure Kate -> Fonts & Colours -> Schema |
| 08:32.21 | incorrect | kate was set to using terminus |
| 08:32.26 | lordvetinari | eee |
| 08:32.28 | sredna | uh |
| 08:32.31 | PhilRod | turns out that it (well, Qt actually) literally checks the width of an 'i' and an 'm' to see if they're the same, in order to determine whether a font is fixed-width |
| 08:32.38 | incorrect | doh i forgot i set that once before |
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| 08:32.53 | lordvetinari | heh |
| 08:33.10 | sredna | qt is picky with fixed-width fonts |
| 08:33.19 | sredna | which is good, imo |
| 08:33.20 | thiago | PhilRod: if 1ex = 1em, it's likely fixed-width :-) |
| 08:33.27 | Chani | oh, rxvt doesn't want to use my input menthods. or unicode. fsck |
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| 08:33.50 | Renze | Chani: try urxvt |
| 08:34.00 | Chani | meh |
| 08:34.10 | Chani | I'm too tired to think. bedtime now |
| 08:34.31 | Chani | I just want a console that is not gnome-terminale and does show chinese fonts and work with scim |
| 08:34.44 | incorrect | thanks |
| 08:35.15 | thiago | Chani: Konsole will do that, as long as you have a font with Chinese characters and choose it |
| 08:35.29 | Chani | thiago: that's the fucking point, it won't let me choose it |
| 08:35.53 | thiago | is it fixed-width? |
| 08:35.55 | Chani | and for some reason gnome's monospace is not kde's monospace |
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| 08:36.10 | Chani | thiago: no. only gnome seems to have fixed-width chinese fonts |
| 08:36.17 | Chani | which makes no effing sense to me |
| 08:36.17 | thiago | if it's not fixed width, you cannot use it in Konsole |
| 08:36.30 | Chani | why should gnome be gettting better fonts than kde? |
| 08:36.31 | thiago | and I told you Qt 3.x has a bad font substitution engine |
| 08:36.37 | thiago | you have to wait for KDE 4 to get a better one |
| 08:36.41 | Chani | arrrg |
| 08:36.47 | Chani | hmm. wait |
| 08:37.02 | Chani | I wonder if the kde4 I have has a usable konsole... |
| 08:37.02 | thiago | so, you have to choose *the* font you want. You cannot rely on the generic names or the finding of similar fonts. |
| 08:37.29 | Chani | how am I supposed to choose a font when konsole only offers me 6? |
| 08:37.38 | Chani | its "install bitmap" thing failed tyooo |
| 08:37.55 | Chani | and I really don't understand what to do about lots of fonts being called /"monospace" |
| 08:38.19 | Chani | how do I tell which one is being used? is it the one from the last font package that got inralled? the first? |
| 08:38.40 | thiago | "Monospace" is generic |
| 08:38.55 | Chani | I mean, if I can't identify a font by its name, what do I identify it by? |
| 08:39.46 | chavo | Chani, I can see chinese characters in konsole using monospace font in kubuntu |
| 08:39.57 | Chani | thiago: well if it's generic, how do I tell apart all the fonts that are called "Monospace"? |
| 08:40.09 | archangelpetro | :) |
| 08:40.20 | thiago | there's only one called "Monospace", but it's a generic. fontconfig will choose a font for that. |
| 08:40.21 | Chani | thiago: how do I choose which one gets to be my "monospace" and show up in the menu? |
| 08:40.28 | Chani | eh? |
| 08:40.47 | Chani | k, I think your meaning of "generic" is much more compilcated than I assumed |
| 08:40.52 | thiago | I am not sure if you can control that. If you can, it's through fontconfig configuration files that are really ugly. |
| 08:41.06 | Chani | grr. |
| 08:41.09 | Chani | evil fonts. |
| 08:41.21 | thiago | if you choose a font called "Monospace", "Sans" or "Serif", fontconfig will choose a font for you, using whatever criteria. |
| 08:41.42 | Chani | I tried messing with dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 08:41.46 | Chani | but that never helped |
| 08:41.55 | Chani | I think I need yo sleep |
| 08:42.05 | Chani | can't even type properly now |
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| 08:43.33 | Chani | ooh ooh |
| 08:43.43 | Chani | konsole4 makes it magically work |
| 08:43.53 | Chani | but, konsole4 is horribly broken :) |
| 08:43.56 | thiago | better font substitutino engine |
| 08:44.10 | thiago | last I checked, my dead keys didn't work on it, yeah |
| 08:44.24 | Chani | hmm. |
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| 08:44.42 | Chani | problem is, I want to be able to write as well as read |
| 08:44.53 | Chani | which means getting scim working too |
| 08:44.53 | lordvetinari | wahaha! |
| 08:45.24 | Chani | unless I keep both konsoles open, connected to hte same screen, and use kde3 for writing and kde4 for reading :) |
| 08:45.38 | Chani | complete hack but it would kinda work :) |
| 08:45.39 | thiago | yeah, sounds horribly broken |
| 08:45.43 | lordvetinari | let me guess.. a screen session? |
| 08:45.52 | Chani | screen ftw! |
| 08:46.03 | thiago | the easiest way now is to download and install a fixed-width font that has those characters you need |
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| 08:46.19 | Chani | thiago: do you happen to know of such a font? |
| 08:46.31 | Chani | because I sure as heck can't find one |
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| 08:46.43 | thiago | Chani: no, sorry |
| 08:46.45 | Chani | although something must exist, if gnome-terminal can do it |
| 08:46.49 | thiago | though... |
| 08:46.53 | thiago | try FreeMono |
| 08:47.05 | Chani | I have free-everything installed |
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| 08:47.07 | thiago | it's supposed to be an "almost complete Unicode" font |
| 08:47.22 | thiago | it's one of the few I know to have the ǽ character |
| 08:47.28 | Chani | but I don't know how to tell which monospace is the one in hte list |
| 08:47.31 | Renze | DejaVu Sans Mono? (I only know english, however) |
| 08:47.35 | Chani | the what character? :) |
| 08:47.44 | Renze | thiago: I can see that character in DejaVu Sans |
| 08:47.46 | Chani | no, I use dejavu alreay |
| 08:47.50 | Q-collective | the ? character |
| 08:47.51 | Q-collective | duh |
| 08:47.52 | Q-collective | :) |
| 08:47.52 | Chani | but can't see that char |
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| 08:47.58 | Renze | ǽ |
| 08:48.02 | Q-collective | comic sans has it |
| 08:48.04 | Q-collective | :D |
| 08:48.11 | Renze | it's an æ with a ´ above it |
| 08:48.21 | thiago | the U+01FD LATIN SMALL LETTER AE WITH ACUTE glyph |
| 08:48.34 | Q-collective | Renze: howto type it though? |
| 08:48.35 | Q-collective | lol |
| 08:48.36 | thiago | btw, my Konsole with "Monospace" shows that |
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| 08:48.41 | thiago | Q-collective: dead_acute æ |
| 08:48.44 | Renze | Q-collective: no idea :D |
| 08:48.48 | Q-collective | hah |
| 08:49.08 | thiago | and æ is AltGr+a |
| 08:49.12 | Q-collective | :\ |
| 08:49.18 | Q-collective | oh well |
| 08:49.29 | Renze | Q-collective: compose only does two characters |
| 08:49.32 | annma | ǽ |
| 08:49.42 | Q-collective | Renze: well, I got that :p |
| 08:49.48 | annma | I don't see mine |
| 08:49.56 | annma | but I guess it is there |
| 08:49.57 | Renze | ã‚· |
| 08:50.02 | Q-collective | oh |
| 08:50.04 | lordvetinari | ooh... a number block |
| 08:50.05 | Q-collective | iso block |
| 08:50.07 | Q-collective | \o/ |
| 08:50.13 | Renze | it's Shi |
| 08:50.29 | Q-collective | comic sans doesn't do no Shi's |
| 08:50.31 | Q-collective | =) |
| 08:50.43 | Chani | oh, that weird ae thing |
| 08:51.02 | Chani | konsole4 is quite happy |
| 08:51.37 | Q-collective | [09:48:46] <thiago> Q-collective: dead_acute æ <-- what might a dead_acute be? |
| 08:52.51 | thiago | the apostrophe key in us(alt-intl) |
| 08:54.08 | Q-collective | '? |
| 08:54.31 | thiago | yes |
| 08:54.33 | Renze | Q-collective: é is a dead_acute e |
| 08:54.42 | Q-collective | I know |
| 08:54.52 | Q-collective | but howto combine ' and ?? |
| 08:54.53 | Q-collective | :> |
| 08:55.11 | Renze | Q-collective: by having the correct keyboard layout to let you type it :D |
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| 08:55.17 | thiago | you can also get weird things like Ç» |
| 08:55.19 | Q-collective | :p |
| 08:55.24 | Q-collective | lol |
| 08:55.27 | thiago | Ç¿, etc. |
| 08:55.33 | vipernicus | how can you set konqueror's homepage to autoload on start? |
| 08:55.38 | thiago | that was dead_acute dead_abovering a |
| 08:55.46 | thiago | vipernicus: save it in the profile |
| 08:55.49 | Renze | vipernicus: browse to the page you want to start on, and save the profile |
| 08:55.55 | Q-collective | yup |
| 08:56.02 | Q-collective | what they said ^ |
| 08:56.02 | vipernicus | my homepage is set |
| 08:56.14 | Q-collective | don't close konqueror at logout |
| 08:56.16 | Q-collective | simple ;p |
| 08:56.20 | vipernicus | and i saved it to the web browsing profile |
| 08:56.29 | vipernicus | but when i restart it, i get about:black |
| 08:56.33 | vipernicus | blank* |
| 08:56.46 | Renze | vipernicus: tick "save url" in the save profile dialog |
| 08:56.47 | Chani | did you check the 'save url' box? |
| 08:57.01 | Chani | acck! I should be in bed! |
| 08:57.05 | Chani | evil irc |
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| 08:57.10 | Q-collective | (: |
| 08:57.17 | Renze | Chani: you need to join IRC Anonymous |
| 08:57.21 | vipernicus | ok, it's working now |
| 08:57.27 | vipernicus | thanks guys, i forgot to tick save url |
| 08:57.45 | Q-collective | Renze: hah, that would be something :p |
| 08:58.04 | Renze | Q-collective: would IRC Anonymous hold meetings online? :D |
| 08:58.23 | thiago | lol |
| 08:58.24 | Q-collective | sessions are in #irc_anonymous and everyones nick is "anonymous" |
| 08:58.25 | Q-collective | =) |
| 08:58.44 | incorrect | thanks about the advise on kate, its a much better editor for me :) |
| 08:59.20 | Renze | "Hi, my name is Dave and I'm an IRC addict" "Hi Dave" |
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| 09:00.44 | Q-collective | "HI, I'M JOHN AND I CAN'T STOP TROLLING, FLAMING AND USING THE CAPS LOCK AND BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111ONEONE" "Hi John" |
| 09:01.35 | Renze | "Hi, I'm 1337D00D and I'm a troll... and you all suck!" |
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| 09:03.50 | Q-collective | "Well, let's start with 1337d00d tonight. Why don't you want to say your name? Are you feeling more secure projecting yourself as "1337d00d"? Are you teased on in real life? |
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| 09:04.28 | Q-collective | John: "OH, POOR BOY, GIVE ME A HUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111ONEONE" |
| 09:04.32 | Q-collective | xD |
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| 09:08.31 | qupada | are we mocking anyone in particular here or are you just being idiots? |
| 09:09.13 | Renze | probably the latter |
| 09:10.17 | Q-collective | being idiot++ o/ |
| 09:10.20 | Q-collective | \o |
| 09:10.22 | Q-collective | \o/ |
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| 09:21.17 | DocTomoe | (this is KDE 3.5.6 on Kubuntu Edgy) |
| 09:21.24 | Renze | permissions? |
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| 09:21.45 | DocTomoe | Renze: Permissions on what? Where does wkallet save its files? |
| 09:21.58 | Renze | DocTomoe: ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/*.kwl |
| 09:22.24 | DocTomoe | -rw-r--r-- ... user is ok, too |
| 09:22.41 | Renze | hmmm |
| 09:23.15 | pinotree | DocTomoe: try closing manually the wallet before logout |
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| 09:24.25 | DocTomoe | ok, I am trying this now ... brb |
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| 09:25.44 | row | hmm you would think with amarok using a db backend ram usage would not be that high, is amarok not good with mysql or something? |
| 09:26.10 | Renze | row: it's fine here with mysql |
| 09:26.40 | row | 24209 jake 15 0 136m 44m 26m S 3.0 8.9 0:14.75 amarokapp <-- I swear xmms uses less with my whole music collection in the playlist, ram wise. |
| 09:26.52 | benJIman | row: it probably will yes |
| 09:27.11 | qupada | row: wibble. either keep using xmms or quit complaining |
| 09:27.14 | benJIman | row: believe it or not ram is actually useful for things |
| 09:27.31 | benJIman | like making your collection searchable quickly and easily |
| 09:27.31 | row | I know just was wondering if it was the norm. |
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| 09:31.17 | chococat | I need help installing firefox 2.0.0.1 (simple enough for a blond) |
| 09:31.28 | pinotree | chococat: #firefox |
| 09:31.36 | pinotree | or #yourdistro |
| 09:31.52 | annma | here we help for konqueror chococat |
| 09:32.06 | chococat | well, it is a kde question, kind of |
| 09:32.12 | annma | lol |
| 09:32.15 | annma | no |
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| 09:32.38 | chococat | I run the install script in a shell, and it come right up |
| 09:32.52 | Jucato | it's not a kde question... sorry |
| 09:33.03 | annma | chococat: what is the install script? |
| 09:33.08 | chococat | but if I close the shell it exits, and if i use the kde shortcut it bring up the old firefox |
| 09:34.07 | annma | wow |
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| 09:34.09 | chococat | firefox.sh is what I am calling the install script |
| 09:34.13 | annma | chococat: distro?* |
| 09:34.19 | chococat | mepis |
| 09:34.27 | chavo | chococat, just make your firefox icon point to your firefox script |
| 09:34.32 | DocTomoe | pinotree: for some wicked reasn, this seemed to work |
| 09:34.46 | annma | chococat: create an icon for this firefox |
| 09:34.46 | chococat | ok |
| 09:34.49 | DocTomoe | thx |
| 09:34.50 | pinotree | iirc it's a known problem, doesn't close well at logout |
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| 09:35.57 | chococat | why does the shell have to be running all the time to run firefox? |
| 09:36.07 | Jucato | Renze: oh don't worry, I have that scheduled already. thanks for the pillow :D |
| 09:36.51 | annma | because when you kill the shell you kill the process probably |
| 09:37.02 | annma | chococat: anyway you should not run it from shell |
| 09:37.10 | annma | we are in 2007 not in 1987 |
| 09:37.32 | Jucato | haha |
| 09:37.33 | chococat | well, I am not sure how to run it any other way |
| 09:37.47 | annma | it shoudl appear in K menu |
| 09:37.47 | Q-collective | chococat: run "firefox &" so it open its own process |
| 09:38.12 | annma | runu the KDE find menu items tool |
| 09:38.21 | chococat | if I run it from K menu, it brings up the 1.509 version |
| 09:38.26 | Jucato | kappfinder |
| 09:38.32 | annma | Menu updating tool |
| 09:38.34 | annma | yes |
| 09:38.37 | chococat | ok |
| 09:38.40 | annma | see if it finds the new one |
| 09:38.43 | Renze | chococat: is there a reason why you didn't use your distro's package manager to install the new firefox? |
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| 09:39.02 | annma | just create a new icon for it in kicker chococat |
| 09:39.13 | chococat | where is this lovely appfinder located? |
| 09:39.23 | DocTomoe | chococat: kappfinder |
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| 09:39.33 | annma | alt F2 and type: kappfinder |
| 09:39.45 | chococat | they don't have a package manager for firefox 2.0.0.1 yet |
| 09:39.51 | annma | alt F2 and type: kappfinder |
| 09:39.59 | DocTomoe | chococat ... what distro is this? |
| 09:40.05 | Renze | mepis |
| 09:40.08 | DocTomoe | ff2 is like a year old |
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| 09:40.35 | annma | mepis is debian based iirc |
| 09:40.40 | annma | ... |
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| 09:41.09 | nik7 | mepis uses ubuntu repos; but everything else should be different |
| 09:42.10 | Q-collective | ff2 is a year old already? |
| 09:42.13 | Q-collective | damn |
| 09:42.47 | Jucato | MEPIS only uses Ubuntu's base repos. they make their own KDE packages |
| 09:43.19 | Jucato | imho, last time I tried MEPIS (MEPIS 6, when Kubuntu was still Dapper), MEPIS was faster and a bit better |
| 09:43.22 | chococat | gonna reboot x - be back in a minute |
| 09:43.24 | DocTomoe | Q-collective: after checking ... it was released in October ... this makes roughly 5 months |
| 09:43.31 | Q-collective | oh |
| 09:43.35 | Q-collective | *pfiew* |
| 09:43.40 | DocTomoe | not a year, but long enough for a distro to adapt, imho |
| 09:43.41 | Q-collective | was a little worried there |
| 09:43.49 | Jucato | hah |
| 09:43.50 | qupada | maybe it's a year since 1.5 |
| 09:43.59 | Q-collective | yeah, that could be |
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| 09:44.29 | Q-collective | hmm, it's been 1,5 years already since I tried r300 for the first time |
| 09:44.30 | DocTomoe | when you get older, time seems to morph, increasing speed perpetually ... no wonder my sense of time disorts |
| 09:44.34 | Q-collective | and it still sucks |
| 09:44.35 | Q-collective | :\ |
| 09:44.38 | Jucato | DocTomoe: MEPIS 6 (current version) is based on Ubuntu Dapper (Long Term Support). and Ubuntu Dapper doesn't have Firefox 2.0 yet. that would explain it |
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| 09:44.50 | Q-collective | DocTomoe: indeed |
| 09:44.58 | Renze | Q-collective: most people let popular opinion make their decisions for them |
| 09:45.01 | ICQnumber | hi ppl, what is the name of the matrix screen saver in kde |
| 09:45.16 | DocTomoe | ICQnumber: KMatrix, I think |
| 09:45.17 | markey | row: don't load your whole collection into the playlist.. that eats quite a bit of ram |
| 09:45.28 | markey | row: and it also makes amarok slow, when you have a giant playlist |
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| 09:45.33 | Q-collective | Renze: uh, yeah, where did that come from? |
| 09:45.36 | Q-collective | :> |
| 09:45.45 | Renze | Q-collective: regarding firefox |
| 09:45.52 | Q-collective | ah |
| 09:46.08 | Renze | firefox is popular, therefore it must be good |
| 09:46.20 | Jucato | er.. something!! |
| 09:46.23 | ICQnumber | can not find it |
| 09:46.34 | chococat | the kappfinder found the new firefox, and i added it to menu, but when I click on the menu item, it starts old firefox :( |
| 09:46.37 | Q-collective | Renze: congrats, you just grasped the concept of advertising ;) |
| 09:46.38 | ICQnumber | but i have them installed |
| 09:46.49 | Q-collective | just spam a lot and become wildly popular |
| 09:46.49 | DocTomoe | markey: is there a reason to have all the playlist in memory, however? Imho, having around 20 tracks in playlist and cacheing the rest on a tmpfile should work too and increase amarok's responsiveness |
| 09:46.55 | Renze | Q-collective: no, I grasped the concept that people are sheep :D |
| 09:46.56 | Jucato | Renze: you wouldn't taste that good anyway... |
| 09:47.15 | markey | DocTomoe: err, that wouldn't work technically |
| 09:47.19 | Q-collective | Renze: 90% of all people are sheep really, just look at the desktop market :p |
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| 09:47.32 | Renze | Q-collective: yup... more's the pity |
| 09:47.33 | qupada | Q-collective: look at the number of ipods apple has sold |
| 09:47.41 | DocTomoe | markey: enlighten me :) |
| 09:47.43 | Jucato | and iPhones! |
| 09:47.53 | Q-collective | iPhones are nifty :> |
| 09:47.56 | Jucato | DocTomoe: take lessons from an amarok dev :) |
| 09:48.01 | qupada | Q-collective: they're about the worse imaginable mp3 player in terms of price/(features*quality) ratio, yet they sell like hotcakes |
| 09:48.21 | markey | DocTomoe: we don't like when people use giant playlists. in amarok2 we might make the playlist very small, so that noone is tempted to put more than 50 tracks in there |
| 09:48.27 | Renze | qupada: it's all about "status" |
| 09:48.27 | markey | giant playlists are unethical |
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| 09:48.39 | qupada | speaking of which, WTF is a 'hotcake' anyway |
| 09:48.46 | Q-collective | qupada: I don't mind, I just get an old iPod and put linux on it and get all the multimedia functions I ever wanted :) |
| 09:48.53 | Q-collective | But yeah, I get your point :p |
| 09:49.36 | DocTomoe | markey: I think that would bet a major inconvinience for many people, and pull them away from amarok ... that damn undeletable "cool streams" (which are not too cool most of the time) is a nuisiance that almost threw me to xmms again |
| 09:50.00 | markey | that may be so. lose some, win some :) |
| 09:50.05 | Q-collective | So, what we do is contract a professional spammer, let him send 500 million emails and kde will rule the world in no time |
| 09:50.06 | Q-collective | :) |
| 09:50.07 | DocTomoe | markey: what's the point in having a random playlist if only 50 of ~3000 songs are affected? |
| 09:50.23 | markey | DocTomoe: the point is that you're supposed to use a dynamic playlist |
| 09:50.35 | Q-collective | indeed |
| 09:50.46 | Q-collective | it's 2007 damnit, not 1997 |
| 09:50.53 | Jucato | indeed... like switching from Kubuntu to Gentoo... |
| 09:50.59 | Jucato | j/k!!!! |
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| 09:51.03 | DocTomoe | markey: from a users perspective: dynamic playlists suck because they tend to "forget" songs that are played too seldom |
| 09:51.24 | DocTomoe | my two eurocents, however |
| 09:52.05 | Renze | smallest coins here are 10¢ |
| 09:52.08 | Jucato | ouch |
| 09:52.32 | chococat | does amarok do any of that DRM crap? |
| 09:52.41 | markey | how do you pay something that's worth 1 cent |
| 09:52.52 | Renze | markey: nothing is worth 1 cent |
| 09:52.56 | markey | ok, but 5 cent |
| 09:53.00 | Renze | markey: inflation saw to that |
| 09:53.05 | markey | like, a plastic shopping bag |
| 09:53.49 | markey | costs 5 cent here |
| 09:53.49 | qupada | Jucato: that's inflation for you. their reasoning for dropping the 5c coin was that it was worth less than a half cent coin was back when NZ first got decimalised currency |
| 09:53.49 | DocTomoe | Renze ... how about 3/4 of a cent coin? |
| 09:53.50 | Jucato | qupada: eh? |
| 09:55.09 | Q-collective | and people call me paranoid :) |
| 09:55.22 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 09:55.23 | chococat | Is there any DRM in the linux/kde world? |
| 09:55.44 | Q-collective | chococat: yeah, we just call it Direct Rendering Manager |
| 09:55.56 | sredna | rofl |
| 09:55.56 | chococat | lol |
| 09:56.02 | DocTomoe | one should make a tv advertising for linux on this ... we could call it the "switch campain" or something |
| 09:56.31 | DocTomoe | "I'm a Web Developer, and I'm using KDE |
| 09:56.41 | Renze | Windows ‒ what you want to throw your computer out of when it crashes again |
| 09:56.49 | Q-collective | yeah, let's clone the apple commercials for kde |
| 09:56.50 | Q-collective | :D |
| 09:56.51 | DocTomoe | www.kde.org/switch |
| 09:56.56 | Yagami | sredna: ehhehe |
| 09:57.17 | sredna | hm, maybe it was in 1998... |
| 09:57.21 | Q-collective | www.get-kde.org |
| 09:57.28 | Q-collective | /ripoff |
| 09:57.39 | DocTomoe | Q-collective: if we are called copycats by the windows world, we could at least act ccordingly ;) |
| 09:57.49 | Q-collective | true |
| 09:58.11 | Q-collective | Yagami: already quit with xp in '94? wow :) |
| 09:58.27 | Q-collective | that's what I call anticipation |
| 09:58.30 | Yagami | Q-collective: its a nice slogan , right :) |
| 09:58.36 | chococat | my brother is a linux weinie, he say KDE runs much snappier on Debian than Kubuntu -- is that true? |
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| 09:59.07 | DocTomoe | chococat: your brother should consider not using crystal as a windec. this thing basically eats stuff |
| 09:59.15 | Q-collective | ask in #debian and #kubuntu for completely unbiased opinion about that |
| 09:59.21 | Renze | pfffft! |
| 09:59.56 | pointfivezero | what happend to the tear off menus from the old versions of kde? |
| 10:00.10 | DocTomoe | they got torn off? |
| 10:00.17 | Jucato | they're still there afaik |
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| 10:00.37 | pointfivezero | still there? I see some in konsole but thats it |
| 10:00.56 | pointfivezero | none in kmenu which I where I liked 'em |
| 10:01.06 | Renze | it is up to the application to use them, or not |
| 10:01.14 | pointfivezero | oh |
| 10:02.02 | pointfivezero | is it possible to build them with them enabled, or does it require adding the code back in? The latter i'm not-so capable of tho ;s |
| 10:03.10 | chococat | I learned that slackware is not good for a girl to try when coming from windows -- my brother's cruel joke :( |
| 10:03.42 | sredna | pointfivezero: i'd say find a widget style that supports them |
| 10:04.14 | canllaith | pointfivezero: They are disabled |
| 10:04.32 | canllaith | iirc the commit that did that was from waldo... |
| 10:04.36 | canllaith | and they have been disabled for years |
| 10:04.46 | Q-collective | chococat: then just give that girl a cute mandriva she can hug |
| 10:04.47 | canllaith | turning it back on would be extremely non trivial but feel free to look through the code :) |
| 10:04.48 | Q-collective | heh |
| 10:04.49 | pointfivezero | sredna: hmmm i'm using the Polyester |
| 10:05.04 | sredna | pointfivezero: look int the 'effects' tab |
| 10:05.33 | ICQnumber | how to run a screen saver without a disabling the desktop? just for fun, i have seen that is possible |
| 10:05.35 | pointfivezero | sredna: yes I always had that checked but it never seemed to make much diff |
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| 10:05.51 | chococat | actually this mepis may be the best for us girls, everything you need to download (java, flash, etc.) is already installed |
| 10:06.18 | annma | <cough> |
| 10:06.32 | annma | actually I compile my KDE |
| 10:06.37 | canllaith | Why does girls have anything to do with it ? |
| 10:06.40 | canllaith | I used slackware for years. |
| 10:06.41 | pointfivezero | mich have a look around the code.. anyone know which SVN branch the setting might reside? |
| 10:06.48 | annma | hi canllaith ;) |
| 10:06.53 | canllaith | pointfivezero: I can find it for you in the kmenu, give me a moment :) |
| 10:07.03 | chococat | ok, dumb girls like me! :) |
| 10:07.03 | canllaith | hey annma :) |
| 10:07.23 | pointfivezero | canllaith: ok |
| 10:07.28 | canllaith | I remember seeing the code but it was oh, a year ago at least if not more |
| 10:07.47 | sredna | hi girls :) |
| 10:08.07 | annma | hi sredna |
| 10:08.39 | annma | hi Jucato :) |
| 10:09.00 | sredna | annma: can you tell me if there is something i have to care for when moving kate kdebase -> kdebase/apps, other than just move, add and commit? |
| 10:09.32 | annma | move add and commit should be fine |
| 10:09.55 | annma | in any case you are allowed to mess today so don't worry |
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| 10:10.10 | annma | I think it's pretty broken in kdelibs |
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| 10:10.44 | annma | 25 minutes to build kdelibs |
| 10:11.19 | Q-collective | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.19 | Q-collective | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.25 | pointfivezero | canllaith: i know how that feels :s |
| 10:11.55 | sredna | annma: :( -- that takes ½ a day here |
| 10:12.00 | canllaith | It's 11 at night here, I'm afraid I'm about to go to bed - but have a poke around kdebase/kicker. |
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| 10:12.32 | Jucato | ooh milk |
| 10:12.44 | qupada | got milk? |
| 10:12.57 | qupada | i have vodka :D |
| 10:13.00 | Jucato | lol |
| 10:13.08 | annma | I set up icecream with my PC |
| 10:13.09 | pointfivezero | canllaith: its 11 here too, where abouts in the world are you? |
| 10:13.11 | Jucato | nah, just some wine... (red and white) |
| 10:13.15 | pointfivezero | 11PM |
| 10:13.18 | Jucato | annma: yummy! :) |
| 10:13.21 | sredna | the milk is for my cat, but i'm sure it can be mixed with vodka in many exciting ways :) |
| 10:13.23 | Jucato | lol |
| 10:13.35 | qupada | sredna: tried that. not a good scheme |
| 10:13.36 | annma | lol |
| 10:13.41 | canllaith | pointfivezero: NZ |
| 10:13.46 | qupada | pointfivezero: where in NZ are you? |
| 10:13.50 | Jucato | oooh cat! nice :) |
| 10:14.03 | canllaith | I'm in Wellington |
| 10:14.07 | Renze | kiwi kde takeover! |
| 10:14.35 | pointfivezero | woohoo |
| 10:15.02 | Jucato | nooooooh |
| 10:15.16 | pointfivezero | lol, 4 is enough |
| 10:15.29 | Jucato | 4 is more than enough... |
| 10:15.57 | Renze | Jucato: you need to convert more philippinesians |
| 10:16.20 | Jucato | Renze: what are philippinesians? :) |
| 10:16.31 | Renze | it's a word I just made up |
| 10:16.46 | Jucato | well, I know Filipino KDE users... but they don't hang in here. |
| 10:17.02 | qupada | by the same language-mangling token as canuckistanis (being people from canuckistan, naturally) |
| 10:17.04 | pointfivezero | ha, go the world :) |
| 10:17.05 | qupada | i imagine |
| 10:17.15 | Jucato | (1 is a soon to be DD, 1 I met in kde-forum, 2-3 from kubuntu) |
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| 10:17.47 | qupada | pointfivezero: so where in NZ? |
| 10:17.58 | pointfivezero | qupada: that would be dunedin |
| 10:18.09 | qupada | pointfivezero: i just left there a few months back |
| 10:18.15 | Renze | pointfivezero: home of the sofa burning scarfies? |
| 10:18.30 | qupada | Renze: get it right. it's called a "couch" damnit |
| 10:18.44 | Renze | qupada: couch doesn't have the same rhythm |
| 10:18.52 | pointfivezero | qupada: yes indeed |
| 10:19.21 | qupada | it should be noted that even if it only has one seat and should accurately be called an armchair, once it's lit on fire, "couch" is a more than accurate enough description |
| 10:19.43 | pointfivezero | qupada: ha, did you see the news tonight? |
| 10:19.52 | qupada | pointfivezero: nah, haven't in a few days |
| 10:20.12 | Renze | the pub promotion |
| 10:20.27 | qupada | although i would guess it's o-week, so there'll be more student antics than usual going on |
| 10:20.45 | pointfivezero | Renze: yeah |
| 10:20.59 | pointfivezero | Renze: 1 litre of petrol for a litre of beer |
| 10:21.10 | Renze | pointfivezero: the "License to Burn" pamphlets |
| 10:21.31 | Renze | the prize of a petrol soaked couch |
| 10:21.39 | pointfivezero | Renze: yeah. the name of the bar escapes me even though I work on the same street (Frederick) |
| 10:21.51 | qupada | pointfivezero: 2 bears? |
| 10:22.09 | pointfivezero | Renze: closer to the video store |
| 10:22.17 | qupada | pointfivezero: 2 bears |
| 10:22.23 | Renze | pointfivezero: I've never been to Dunedin ;) |
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| 10:22.40 | pointfivezero | 2 beers shut down a few months ago |
| 10:22.45 | qupada | what? |
| 10:22.56 | qupada | where will all the skanky freshers go? |
| 10:22.58 | pointfivezero | yeah some guy was killed in a fight outside aye |
| 10:23.06 | qupada | in that case are we talking about the outback? |
| 10:23.40 | pointfivezero | nope, not the outback argh. I should know I drive past it every day :s |
| 10:24.04 | qupada | ok, well the only pub left in that area is the vatican |
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| 10:24.59 | pointfivezero | calibre my friend |
| 10:25.40 | Renze | not as funny :D |
| 10:25.44 | pointfivezero | hmm I wonder if I made a user, .50 if it would hide it |
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| 10:26.09 | qupada | ... |
| 10:26.16 | pointfivezero | well, by default anyway... just for shits and giggles |
| 10:26.22 | canllaith | I suspect that's not a valid user name |
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| 10:26.37 | canllaith | but I wouldn't know since I haven't ever tried to start one with a dot :) |
| 10:26.41 | canllaith | I do suspect so though |
| 10:26.43 | qupada | # useradd .50 |
| 10:26.43 | qupada | useradd: invalid user name '.50' |
| 10:27.05 | canllaith | you could edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow directly of course |
| 10:27.10 | canllaith | but I suspect it still wont like it :) |
| 10:27.27 | pointfivezero | ah |
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| 10:34.36 | qupada | i'm about ready for a midnight snack |
| 10:34.59 | Renze | qupada: I recommend the vodka |
| 10:35.19 | qupada | Renze: yeah, too much of that and i'm liable to burn myself making whatever it is i feel like cooking |
| 10:35.23 | Jucato | wow! Renze has stuff to do? what's next? flying pigs? :O |
| 10:35.35 | Renze | Jucato: why is that surprising? |
| 10:35.41 | Jucato | :D |
| 10:35.50 | qupada | Jucato: pink elephants |
| 10:36.05 | Jucato | lol |
| 10:36.10 | qupada | mmmmm, bacon |
| 10:36.15 | Jucato | oh yeah! |
| 10:36.18 | Renze | no, not ducks... pigs |
| 10:36.48 | Jucato | er.. "slaughters the pigs"* |
| 10:36.56 | pinotree | ? |
| 10:37.13 | qupada | Jucato: you can't have slaughter without laughter :D |
| 10:37.21 | Jucato | hm... I don't think I summoned pinotree... :) |
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| 10:38.02 | Jucato | ok.. obviously we're too offtopic now... [/off-topic] |
| 10:38.04 | Jucato | :D |
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| 11:08.30 | appelza | is it possible to change the default filemanager to something else (konqueror - dolphin) ? |
| 11:08.33 | appelza | in kde3.5.6 |
| 11:09.05 | annma | did you install dolphin? |
| 11:09.32 | annma | or is your question "is dolphin available in kde3?" |
| 11:09.48 | appelza | i have installed dolphin yeah, and I like it |
| 11:09.55 | appelza | so I'd like it to be my default instead of konqueror |
| 11:10.03 | James-S | ... |
| 11:10.03 | appelza | but cant figure out how apart from making symlinks |
| 11:10.44 | annma | what do you mean? |
| 11:11.10 | appelza | Well, I cant find a setting that allows me to set the default file manager |
| 11:11.10 | annma | how do you call konqueror file manager? |
| 11:11.44 | appelza | so only way I can think of doing it is linking konq's binaries to dolphins. |
| 11:11.46 | appelza | Because it is? |
| 11:11.47 | appelza | :| |
| 11:12.11 | annma | how do you use your file manager? |
| 11:12.29 | appelza | Example: I click on a folder on my desktop, and konqueror opens it |
| 11:12.30 | annma | just make an icon for dolphin with your home |
| 11:12.45 | appelza | I'd like dolphin to open it by default |
| 11:12.54 | nael | appelza: edit the icon |
| 11:13.13 | appelza | And when I click on run and type /home/mysusername ? |
| 11:13.19 | appelza | then konq will still open it, right? |
| 11:13.29 | thiago | associate inode/directory to dolphin |
| 11:13.38 | appelza | Thanks thiago ! |
| 11:13.48 | appelza | Thats what I was looking for :) |
| 11:13.58 | thiago | inode/system_directory probably too |
| 11:14.07 | row | hmm Koncat summery page says I have no todos, yet I go to To-Do list and I do, why is that? |
| 11:14.19 | annma | right click on a folder |
| 11:14.21 | thiago | and uh... the media/* too |
| 11:14.23 | annma | Open With |
| 11:14.33 | thiago | hold on |
| 11:14.36 | row | nm |
| 11:14.39 | row | found the settting |
| 11:14.46 | appelza | sweet! |
| 11:15.15 | appelza | goodbye konq :) |
| 11:15.16 | thiago | appelza: inode/directory will be enough |
| 11:15.21 | appelza | Yeah |
| 11:15.23 | thiago | appelza: all of the rest will automatically switch. |
| 11:15.28 | appelza | Sweet. |
| 11:15.34 | appelza | Thanks again :> |
| 11:16.26 | sredna | row: the summary only lists TODOs that must be done today |
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| 11:17.17 | annma | appelza: it was also explained in the doc |
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| 11:17.41 | annma | To make &dolphin; the default file manager for &kde; from the &kde; control centre open the File Associations section via; KDE Components>File Associations. If the user adds &dolphin; to the list of applications for the directory mime type and make it the first choice, then &dolphin; will become the default application to open any directory with. The directory mime type can be found by expanding the inode section of Known Types. |
| 11:17.56 | annma | that's from docbook but you can view it in KDE help center |
| 11:18.03 | appelza | Thanks |
| 11:18.10 | appelza | Yeah, I did not think about reading the docs |
| 11:18.13 | appelza | :( |
| 11:18.17 | ForgeAus | dolphin... hmmm why? |
| 11:18.20 | annma | docs are there to be read |
| 11:18.26 | thiago | ForgeAus: because appelza likes it. |
| 11:18.44 | annma | I checked as if it was not mentioned I would have added it |
| 11:19.00 | annma | it seems the most important for the doc to mention |
| 11:19.02 | ForgeAus | appelza? ok... never heard of it |
| 11:19.15 | thiago | ForgeAus: it's just a file manager. |
| 11:19.22 | annma | ForgeAus: dolphin will be kde4 file manager |
| 11:19.30 | annma | thus the hype |
| 11:19.46 | ForgeAus | really? |
| 11:19.54 | ForgeAus | wow I didn't think it was all that good |
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| 11:20.54 | ForgeAus | seemed very thunar/nautilus -like to me, kinda basic.... |
| 11:21.16 | sredna | sigh |
| 11:21.33 | sredna | more compiling... |
| 11:21.34 | annma | I did not try it, konq does it all OK for me |
| 11:21.40 | ForgeAus | but then I'm kinda new to linux so theres probably lots I don't know about it |
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| 11:23.38 | pointfivezero | !kickoff |
| 11:26.46 | row | hmm my new mail is not showing in the Kontact summary page it says no unread messages, yet click on the mail button and I have new mail, whats with that? |
| 11:27.53 | qupada | row: tried clicking the refresh button in the toolbar on the summary page? it doesn't auto-refresh |
| 11:27.59 | row | yes. |
| 11:28.13 | row | clicked it a few times :P |
| 11:28.30 | row | ah I found the issue |
| 11:28.33 | row | don't worry |
| 11:28.56 | qupada | not actually watching your inbox on the summary screen? |
| 11:28.59 | row | Is there no auto refresh option? |
| 11:29.03 | row | qupada: yep :/ |
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| 11:44.59 | [EaK]Rasiel | How can i launch an application on a specific virtual desktop ? |
| 11:45.29 | pinotree | [EaK]Rasiel: use kstart |
| 11:45.33 | TomyLobo | how do i launch the KDE task bar over X forwarding? |
| 11:45.39 | pinotree | eg kstart --desktop 3 konqueror |
| 11:45.52 | [EaK]Rasiel | ty pino |
| 11:45.54 | pinotree | TomyLobo: ssh -X |
| 11:45.55 | pinotree | ? |
| 11:45.56 | TomyLobo | i mean what's the executable's name? |
| 11:46.02 | [EaK]Rasiel | Hmm i try to get a vnc server running on virtual desktop #2 |
| 11:46.07 | nael | TomyLobo: kicker |
| 11:46.08 | [EaK]Rasiel | so taht clients are fixed to it, and i can work on #1 |
| 11:46.13 | [EaK]Rasiel | is that possible ? |
| 11:46.17 | TomyLobo | nael thanks |
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| 11:47.21 | TomyLobo | heh that worked |
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| 11:57.57 | row | Does Kopete have a loging option? |
| 11:59.07 | appelza | yes |
| 11:59.17 | appelza | on gentoo compile with the history useflag |
| 11:59.29 | appelza | Wait, I lie..history might not be the same as logging. |
| 11:59.35 | Jucato | row: it's the History Plugin in Kopete |
| 12:01.24 | row | I have the plugin, does that keep log files forever and where does that log too? |
| 12:02.13 | Jucato | row: $KDEHOME/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs |
| 12:02.32 | row | hmm I looked there but no logs dir |
| 12:02.33 | row | hmm |
| 12:02.38 | pinotree | row: did you activate it? |
| 12:02.40 | Jucato | row: they are put in an XML file. you can view the logs by right-clicking on a contact and selecting View History |
| 12:02.41 | row | maybe I need to restart kopete |
| 12:02.43 | row | ah there we go |
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| 12:03.32 | pinotree | row: no need to do that |
| 12:03.41 | pinotree | just activate it and be happy |
| 12:03.45 | Jucato | :) |
| 12:03.56 | row | too late |
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| 12:07.16 | TomyLobo | hi again :) |
| 12:07.34 | TomyLobo | how do i get rid of kicker again, except killing my x server? |
| 12:07.43 | mark_alec | killall kicker |
| 12:07.58 | TomyLobo | hmm i'll kill the x server :) |
| 12:08.43 | Jucato | ?? |
| 12:09.18 | TomyLobo | i'm on windows, the x server isnt essential, so i let kicker cleanly shut down rather than terminating it |
| 12:09.43 | mark_alec | kicker runs on windows? |
| 12:09.53 | annma | what kde version? |
| 12:10.04 | TomyLobo | mark_alec through X forwarding :) |
| 12:10.18 | mark_alec | TomyLobo: and cygwin/X on windows right? |
| 12:10.30 | TomyLobo | nope, X forwarding from another machine |
| 12:10.35 | annma | ah bah |
| 12:11.42 | annma | kdekillall kicker maybe |
| 12:13.05 | annma | I have it |
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| 12:13.26 | ForgeAus | hehe I'm confused too |
| 12:13.45 | ForgeAus | markAlec there are ways to get kicker running under windows |
| 12:14.31 | ForgeAus | Virtualization software is one... cygwin is another... |
| 12:14.49 | ForgeAus | I guess VNC would be another |
| 12:15.13 | ForgeAus | heh ewould you rather I abbreviate it to ma |
| 12:15.52 | mark_alec | i would rather you tab-completed like most people :) |
| 12:15.56 | mark_alec | you from australia? |
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| 12:17.25 | Jucato | annma: http://developernew.kde.org/Projects/NamingTheWiki#Scope_and_Goals_For_The_Name <--- the intended audience part... I was wondering if the wiki is also intended for aspiring developers? or is that already implied somewhere between the lines? |
| 12:17.28 | ForgeAus | nah tab completion is prone to error |
| 12:17.43 | ForgeAus | I may be lazy but I'm not THAT lazy |
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| 12:29.15 | TomyLobo | ForgeAus colinux would be yet another :) |
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| 12:30.08 | Muad`Dib | does somebody remeber where is the windows to launch apps on login ? i can only find the session maangement in kcontrol with its exclude option |
| 12:31.22 | Muad`Dib | (i already know about the Autostart folder but 'im pretty sure there is an interface for that) |
| 12:31.23 | thiago | Go, Autostart in Konqueror |
| 12:31.24 | Jucato | ~autostart |
| 12:31.33 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273 |
| 12:31.40 | Jucato | Muad`Dib: there's not built-in interface for that |
| 12:31.48 | Muad`Dib | uh strange ^^ |
| 12:31.56 | Jucato | there's an autostart program that's available in kde-apps.org |
| 12:32.11 | Jucato | (in Debian/ubuntu it's called kcontrol-autostart) |
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| 12:33.13 | Muad`Dib | that's not it, i must have hallucinated ^^ |
| 12:33.36 | deadsouls | Every time I start KMail it tries to use my OLD saved passwords (the ones stored by checking "Store POP password") from a very long time ago. I have to change it manually every time. VERY annoying since I have about 6 email accounts. Anyone dealt with this? |
| 12:36.00 | row | deadsouls: using kwallet? |
| 12:36.09 | deadsouls | yeah |
| 12:36.35 | deadsouls | are there any kwallet settings in KMail? |
| 12:36.40 | row | kde menu->settings->kwallet->open wallet->kmail |
| 12:36.49 | Jucato | try clearing the password stored in kwalletmanager |
| 12:37.00 | Jucato | password for the email account(s) |
| 12:37.00 | row | and delete/edit them |
| 12:38.41 | deadsouls | okay, restarting KDE |
| 12:38.44 | turnschuh | Hello is it possible to build the gecko engine in the konqueror, I mean has the project finished with success? |
| 12:39.12 | annma | turnschuh: no |
| 12:39.19 | annma | use firefox |
| 12:39.31 | turnschuh | :( |
| 12:39.33 | annma | you can theme firefox to look like konqueror |
| 12:39.40 | annma | why :(? |
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| 12:39.47 | deadsouls | row, same thing :( |
| 12:39.51 | deadsouls | i deleted the entry |
| 12:40.12 | turnschuh | because i want one application for one section and then i have 2 applications^^ |
| 12:40.17 | row | you sure you saved the wallet or whatever after editing it? |
| 12:40.22 | annma | what 2 apps? |
| 12:40.27 | turnschuh | konqueror and firefox |
| 12:40.32 | turnschuh | for browsing |
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| 12:40.36 | Jucato | deadsouls: then it should ask you for the password again just this once since you deleted/cleared it. |
| 12:41.00 | annma | turnschuh: there are many many duplicate apps in linux |
| 12:41.05 | Jucato | turnschuh: delete the Firefox entry in the k menu and don't think of it again until you need it.. and launch it from Alt+F2 :) |
| 12:41.18 | turnschuh | ^^ |
| 12:41.28 | turnschuh | i know, thats open source ^^ |
| 12:41.35 | Jazon | hi. i keep getting kdepanel crashes while mucking about with panel settings when using nx client to connect to my other box. heh.... too obscure to report as a bug do you think? |
| 12:41.39 | Jucato | open sores.... |
| 12:41.45 | turnschuh | ^^ |
| 12:42.43 | Jucato | annma: have you cast your vote yet? :D |
| 12:42.55 | annma | no, developer is good enough for me |
| 12:43.07 | annma | no idea what name will generalize more |
| 12:43.38 | Jucato | hehe |
| 12:44.26 | Jucato | I guess given the new range of intended audiences, "developer" might be a bit limiting for the new wiki... |
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| 12:45.13 | annma | techbase feels weird for non English people |
| 12:45.32 | Jucato | what would it mean for non-English people? |
| 12:46.00 | annma | tech in french is Technical and slightly opposed to academic |
| 12:46.22 | Jucato | I don't personally prefer techbase, but the name is easy to memorize... but that's just "marketability"... I'm looking at the other choices in the list |
| 12:46.45 | annma | where is Da List? |
| 12:46.58 | Jucato | poll: http://nupolls.com/snippet/30229/ |
| 12:47.04 | Jucato | hahah Da List :) |
| 12:47.13 | Jucato | Da Diskussion: http://developernew.kde.org/Talk:Projects/NamingTheWiki |
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| 12:48.18 | annma | hmmm, cannot find something that seems natural |
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| 12:49.33 | Jucato | annma: btw, one of the proposed "titles" of the wiki is KDE Technical Reference. so thinking of "tech" as "technical" isn't that far off |
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| 12:51.24 | hkBst | is it possible to allow unregistered users to msg you in konversation? I can't seem to find the option. |
| 12:51.44 | Jucato | hkBst: it's not an IRC client feature/limitation |
| 12:51.47 | annma | it's not konversation |
| 12:51.53 | annma | it's freenode |
| 12:51.54 | Jucato | it's the network's policy |
| 12:52.03 | annma | :) |
| 12:52.07 | Jucato | :) |
| 12:52.10 | annma | you get it in duo |
| 12:52.13 | hkBst | ah ok :) |
| 12:52.41 | pinotree | hkBst: /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 12:52.51 | pinotree | and with off to disable |
| 12:53.07 | Jucato | and with off to receive unwanted PM's :) |
| 12:53.28 | pinotree | Jucato: itìs the opposite |
| 12:53.45 | Jucato | er sorry |
| 12:53.47 | Jucato | lol yeah |
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| 12:55.10 | hkBst | thank pino |
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| 13:31.17 | Sho_ | groan |
| 13:31.20 | Sho_ | "But with Dolphin as the potentially new file manager and Webkit as the new browser we may see Konqueror vanish." |
| 13:31.38 | Sho_ | If people would just do some simple fact-checking before publishing stuff |
| 13:31.44 | Sho_ | i.e. lookup what Webkit actually is |
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| 13:32.41 | Jucato | Sho_: where the hell is that from? |
| 13:32.52 | Sho_ | OSNews citing a blog |
| 13:32.59 | Jucato | ugh! |
| 13:33.10 | Jucato | one of the dreaded 3... |
| 13:33.25 | Sho_ | and the worst part is that I'm basically sure the OSNews editor who quoted that knows what WebKit is |
| 13:33.30 | Sho_ | i.e. it's intentional fear-mongering |
| 13:33.33 | Sho_ | morons |
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| 13:35.29 | Jucato | Sho_: are you up for another day of replying to blog posts? :D |
| 13:36.01 | Jucato | or in this case, osnews |
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| 13:36.47 | thiago | Sho_: technically, Thom was quoting someone |
| 13:38.38 | Johny_ | hey, is it possible to use a dictionary witk Kmail, just like in Thunderbird? |
| 13:38.40 | Sho_ | [14:34] <Sho_> and the worst part is that I'm basically sure the OSNews editor who quoted that knows what WebKit is |
| 13:38.40 | Sho_ | [14:34] <Sho_> i.e. it's intentional fear-mongering |
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| 13:39.18 | Sho_ | Johny_: The spell-checking dictionary options are global in KControl |
| 13:39.41 | Sho_ | Jucato: Others already have |
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| 13:40.35 | Jucato | yeah... I won't bother anymore :) |
| 13:40.35 | Johny_ | Sho_: can you explain it deeper, please? |
| 13:40.36 | Johny_ | !kmail |
| 13:40.36 | Sho_ | Johny_: KControl -> KDE Components -> Spell Checker -> Dictionary |
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| 13:40.54 | Johny_ | Sho_: ah i see |
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| 13:41.20 | Jucato | Sho_: on the lighter side of things, I'm liking Nuvola again... seems to fit in well with Domino :D |
| 13:41.41 | sredna | what is domino? |
| 13:41.50 | Sho_ | A style engine for KDE 3 |
| 13:42.09 | Jucato | a very nice style for KDE 3 :) |
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| 13:42.34 | Sho_ | sredna: http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/42804-1.png http://www.eikehein.com/domino1.png http://www.eikehein.com/domino2.png http://www.eikehein.com/domino3.png http://www.eikehein.com/domino4.png http://www.eikehein.com/konq-domino.png |
| 13:42.34 | Jucato | Tango does widget styles too? |
| 13:42.34 | MuJ | yeah! got the milky look with domino.. /me likes |
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| 13:42.49 | MinceR | Tango is an iconset |
| 13:42.58 | Jucato | ah ok |
| 13:43.02 | MinceR | seems to work well with a dark grey based colorset |
| 13:43.07 | Jucato | you were reacting to Nuvola :) |
| 13:43.12 | MinceR | yes :) |
| 13:43.18 | Johny_ | Sho_: hmm , I can't find it, I'm using KDE 3.6.5 just entered in the window you told me to go to, clicked "add" but ther's no dictionary there |
| 13:43.23 | sredna | very rounded corners |
| 13:43.37 | Jucato | sredna: rounded and shiny by default... me like :) |
| 13:44.24 | Sho_ | Jucato: Your distribution may have seperate packages for different ASpell dictionaries |
| 13:44.33 | Jucato | Sho_: ahem? |
| 13:44.41 | Sho_ | err |
| 13:44.42 | Sho_ | Johny_ |
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| 13:45.03 | Jucato | Sho_: coincidentally, we're on the same distro :P |
| 13:45.17 | Johny_ | Sho_: What did I wrong |
| 13:45.48 | Sho_ | Johny_: Your distribution may have seperate packages for different ASpell dictionaries. You should ask them how to install them so you can select them in KControl. |
| 13:46.12 | Jucato | afaik, aspell is already installed by default. Johny_, what exactly were you trying to do? |
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| 13:46.39 | sredna | fetched 345kB in 1s (175kB/s) :o |
| 13:46.55 | sredna | interresting calculation... |
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| 13:46.59 | Johny_ | Jucato: write an e-mail and have a dictionary avaiable in Kmail |
| 13:47.20 | cosmin | hi, i'm new to kde, can anyone tell me please hot to get rid f that icon i get when i start a program , under the mouse cursor ? |
| 13:47.22 | Jucato | Johny_: spell checking is enabled in kmail by default already. |
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| 13:47.40 | Jucato | cosmin: bouncing cursor? KControl -> Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback |
| 13:47.42 | Sho_ | cosmin: KControl -> Appearance -> Launch Feedback |
| 13:48.07 | Johny_ | Jucato: but, is it devided by langauages? |
| 13:48.33 | cosmin | huh |
| 13:48.42 | cosmin | i start System Settings |
| 13:48.46 | cosmin | then appereance |
| 13:48.47 | Sho_ | Johny_: You should ask in #yourdistro about how to install language-specific Aspell dictionaries on it so you can select them in KControl |
| 13:48.52 | cosmin | then i get a menu list to the left |
| 13:48.59 | Sho_ | cosmin: Start "kcontrol", System Settings is rubbish |
| 13:48.59 | cosmin | no aunch Feedbac |
| 13:49.01 | Jucato | Johny_: not sure. I only have english. you might need to install the aspell package for your language |
| 13:49.02 | cosmin | ok |
| 13:49.05 | Johny_ | I checked in aptitude, I've got both the dictionaries installed |
| 13:49.12 | Jucato | cosmin: Alt+F2, type in kcontrol |
| 13:49.19 | cosmin | thanks i found it |
| 13:49.25 | Jucato | Sho_: it's not *that* bad... but it does need work |
| 13:49.33 | Jucato | too bad el is no longer working on it... |
| 13:49.56 | Johny_ | Jucato: thanks for the help |
| 13:50.12 | Jucato | Johny_: can't take all the credit. Sho_ helped too :D |
| 13:50.18 | Johny_ | Sho_: you ass well |
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| 13:50.23 | Sho_ | np |
| 13:50.23 | Jucato | lol |
| 13:50.27 | Johny_ | as well |
| 13:50.33 | Jucato | I'd be insulted if I were Sho_ :D |
| 13:51.03 | Johny_ | Jucato: how come i was just writing my thanks to him |
| 13:51.06 | Sho_ | Jucato: I do question whether the System Settings UI is that much better than the KControl UI that it makes it worth it to make user-support by other KDE users using KControl more difficult |
| 13:51.20 | Jucato | Johny_: <Johny_> Sho_: you *ass* well :D |
| 13:51.56 | Jucato | Sho_: that's a mouthful! hehehe |
| 13:52.02 | Johny_ | Jucato: I've already realized :-; |
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| 13:52.25 | Jucato | Johny_: I know :) |
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| 13:54.06 | cosmin | can kde 4 be found anywhere ? |
| 13:54.06 | annma | cosmin: in svn trunk |
| 13:54.07 | cosmin | ha? :) |
| 13:54.07 | annma | cosmin: a snapshot is coming |
| 13:54.11 | annma | I am testing it |
| 13:54.14 | Johny_ | BTW: have you seen that movie about clinton that went out yesterday? |
| 13:54.21 | sredna | Sho_: too shiny for me :) |
| 13:54.29 | Johny_ | ah, it was JFK , sorry |
| 13:54.44 | Sho_ | Why, is he using KDE in it? ;) |
| 13:54.45 | Jucato | cosmin: it's at a stage that only developers really have use for it. |
| 13:55.11 | annma | Johny_: most people here are not American |
| 13:55.32 | Johny_ | annma: neither am I _:) |
| 13:55.33 | Jucato | Sho_: granted there are currently some "issues" with some of the modules in System Settings, but I think the grouping of the System Settings modules are a step in the right direction |
| 13:55.33 | annma | so we sort of don't care much about JFK or whoever |
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| 13:56.03 | Johny_ | ok |
| 13:56.06 | Sho_ | Jucato: You are aware that the tree widget in KControl groups them as well? ;) |
| 13:56.26 | Jucato | Sho_: I know. but there seems to be an unwritten rule not to modify KControl... |
| 13:56.27 | sredna | kde 4 will be nice, but it is going to take a moment ;) |
| 13:57.14 | Jucato | Sho_: although tbh, I like the drakconf style more than either kcontrol or system settings |
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| 13:57.54 | cosmin | i have ubuntu 6.10 and a installed knde 3.5 ( the only one in the repos), what would be the easyest way to upgrade to the latest version of kde ? |
| 13:58.02 | cosmin | *kde |
| 13:58.11 | Jucato | cosmin: please ask in #kubuntu |
| 13:58.17 | Sho_ | cosmin: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php |
| 13:58.25 | Jucato | or that ^^ :) |
| 13:58.33 | cosmin | ok |
| 13:58.51 | sredna | distupgrade }:o |
| 13:59.06 | Jucato | dist-upgrade :) |
| 13:59.16 | logixoul | sredna: the whole point of domino is customizing gradients easily... voila, no more shiny buttons :) |
| 13:59.19 | Jucato | svn up, make, make install for me (before...) |
| 13:59.21 | sredna | right |
| 14:00.07 | sredna | logixoul: it's not for me, i would like somthing absolutely flat with slightly rounded corners. plastik without gradients at all or so :) |
| 14:00.20 | logixoul | sredna: polyester then |
| 14:00.31 | Sho_ | Polyester is not flat, though |
| 14:00.32 | Jucato | or.. serenity... looks... organic.. |
| 14:00.34 | sredna | i dont' know if i have that |
| 14:00.37 | Sho_ | Nor is Serenity |
| 14:00.38 | logixoul | Sho_: : it has a "flat mode" |
| 14:01.04 | Sho_ | Well, Domino can be made absolutely flat, too |
| 14:01.08 | logixoul | yes |
| 14:01.18 | Sho_ | Apparently he's not interested in configuring the styles, default mode matters |
| 14:01.25 | Jucato | heheh |
| 14:01.26 | logixoul | aha |
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| 14:01.55 | logixoul | Sho_: i'd like sharp corners in domino tho... bugged the author about it |
| 14:01.55 | Jucato | logixoul: I seem to have encountered your name a few times while searching for something in kde-apps last night :D |
| 14:02.09 | sredna | domino is too rouned for my taste |
| 14:02.22 | logixoul | Jucato: that must've been comments... all my submissions are at 'look :) |
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| 14:02.51 | Jucato | logixoul: yep... coincidentally, in almost every del.icio.us-related app :) |
| 14:03.10 | chavo | sredna, check out qtcurve it has some nice flat modes |
| 14:03.22 | logixoul | Jucato: yah, and i finally settled on the konq sidebar from kdeaddons |
| 14:03.37 | logixoul | qtcurve rocks |
| 14:03.47 | Jucato | logixoul: I settled for bookmarkbar |
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| 14:04.01 | Jucato | I thought qtcurve rocks... domino rocked my world more :D |
| 14:04.30 | Jucato | Sho_: one problem I have with Domino earlier was that when I switched to a dark color scheme, the buttons didn't change to the color scheme setting... I guess I have to do that manually in Dominio's configuration |
| 14:04.34 | Sho_ | logixoul: 0.4 is the result of ~three weeks of forth-and-back between me and the author, now basically all of my pet bugs are fixed and wishes are in and I'm a happy camper :) |
| 14:04.41 | logixoul | :) |
| 14:05.08 | Sho_ | Except maybe for an option to hide the toolbar grippies and making the window decoration recognize Fitts' Law with respect to the outermost buttons in maximized state when "Allow moving or resizing of maximized windows" is disabled |
| 14:05.09 | logixoul | oooh |
| 14:05.13 | logixoul | 0.4 is out |
| 14:05.15 | logixoul | neat |
| 14:05.17 | Jucato | oh yes :) |
| 14:05.23 | Sho_ | Both occured to me only post-0.4, the latter because I don't actually use the windeco |
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| 14:06.28 | sredna | polyester is nice :) |
| 14:06.44 | logixoul | yeah |
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| 14:08.48 | Sho_ | Domino is the first style that proved to me that it's possible to make a graphically sophisticated, cohesive-looking style for KDE/Qt3 without ending up with a glitchfest like Baghira, I was very impressed |
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| 14:10.07 | chavo | Jucato, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=51597 this app will take your kde color schemes and make a domino config for it |
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| 14:10.33 | chavo | so when you switch color schemes t\you can load the domino scheme as well |
| 14:10.43 | Jucato | ooh interesting. thanks |
| 14:10.47 | Sho_ | chavo: No, it's a bit different |
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| 14:11.06 | Sho_ | chavo: That app will make a Murrina-like config from a color scheme, which is a certain shinyness to the gradients |
| 14:11.28 | chavo | yeah but it's easy to edit it frm ther |
| 14:11.28 | XVampireX | Sho_: What Domino theme do you use? And are you using the window decoration that comes with it or something custom? Need a good window decorator to use with it.. I'm using the murrina one |
| 14:11.29 | Sho_ | chavo: In order to derive a normal Domino config from a color scheme, clicking "Defaults" in the style config dialog is sufficient |
| 14:11.44 | chavo | ah ok |
| 14:11.48 | XVampireX | Sho_: Ah, haha, neat, you use the murrina one too :D |
| 14:11.53 | Jucato | Sho_: ah so switch to a new color scheme, then click Defaults in Domino? |
| 14:12.06 | Sho_ | It should actually automatically derive the gradients from the color scheme when no specific config is loaded, I had that working at some point, it seems to have regressed shortly before 0.4 :/ |
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| 14:12.54 | Sho_ | XVampireX: I use the "Knifty" window decoration, a variant of the "Black and White" color scheme and a Domino config that adds a little color to button borders on mouseover |
| 14:13.03 | Sho_ | XVampireX: The result is http://www.eikehein.com/domino4.png |
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| 14:13.17 | Sho_ | XVampireX: No, I don't use the Murrina one, I don't like its shinyness |
| 14:13.40 | Jucato | Sho_: that worked! thanks! although the buttons seem to be less shiny now.. :) |
| 14:14.57 | Sho_ | Jucato: You can certainly try that Murrina-like config maker if you want more shiny |
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| 14:15.15 | Jucato | nah. I can tweak the button gradient color. :) |
| 14:15.32 | Jucato | it's easier to work on it when you have the base color correct than from scratch :) |
| 14:15.46 | logixoul | does drkonqi autosave the backtraces somewhere? i just closed a valuable one |
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| 14:17.04 | logixoul | Sho_: what do you think about this? http://kdemonkey.blogspot.com/2007/02/making-kde-cleaner-removing-frames.html |
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| 14:17.14 | logixoul | Sho_: could konversation go this way? |
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| 14:20.29 | row | I am using msn + google talk in Kopete for some reason google talk windows don't have the spell check option but msn ones do, whats the cause/fix for that? |
| 14:21.05 | gsc | Where can I adjust the size of the pictograms of the KDE-menu (KDE 3.5.6)? |
| 14:21.13 | Sho_ | logixoul: I have recently tried to remove the frame around the tab widget when there's no tab bar, actually, which was thwarted by two things, one being that QTabWidget constantly resets the frame mode (and writing a custom QStyle to tackle the primitive and pass on all other drawing requests seemed to hackish) and the other that it actualyl looked pretty bad since the frame helps grouping the topic area and controls to the chat area and seperates them a bit from |
| 14:21.13 | Sho_ | the menu bar |
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| 14:22.09 | Sho_ | Frank tried the same in Akregator actually (hiding the tab bar when there's only one tab and then also hiding the tab widget frame in that case) and gave up on it as well for technical reasons |
| 14:22.14 | XVampireX | Sho_: That doesn't look bad :) |
| 14:23.41 | logixoul | i see |
| 14:24.00 | logixoul | the topic could possibly have a border of its own then there's no tab bar |
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| 14:24.31 | Sho_ | logixoul: But generally I heavily dislike gratuitous frame use well |
| 14:24.32 | XVampireX | Sho_: I don't see the Murrina one as being shiny... I see it as being pretty :) |
| 14:24.34 | row | ah disabling rich text enables the spell checker |
| 14:24.50 | Sho_ | Ah, Robert's patch removes the frames around the controls inside the tab widget I see |
| 14:25.08 | logixoul | yep |
| 14:25.43 | Sho_ | Though I think Domino proves that a lot of the frame issue can be solved by the style actually, Plastiks frames just look very pixeled together |
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| 14:26.49 | logixoul | hmm, tried with Domino and you're indeed right |
| 14:27.36 | Sho_ | Domino 0.3 had some tab widget inner margin spacing issues which made Konvi look ugly though, fortunately that's resolved in 0.4 :) |
| 14:28.02 | XVampireX | logixoul: that patch does make it look a bit more cleaner :) |
| 14:29.48 | XVampireX | Sho_: What Icon theme is that? |
| 14:29.52 | Sho_ | XVampireX: Nuvola |
| 14:29.56 | Jucato | nuvola |
| 14:30.09 | Jucato | nuvola + domino looks great :) |
| 14:30.22 | XVampireX | Ah |
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| 14:30.33 | XVampireX | At home I use NuvoX 0.6 |
| 14:30.37 | XVampireX | It's pretty good |
| 14:30.46 | XVampireX | Though also a bit cartoonish :) Which I like |
| 14:30.56 | Sho_ | XVampireX: http://www.eikehein.com/gentoo/kde <- color scheme and domino config are here |
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| 14:31.22 | Jucato | Nuvola is also a bit cartoonish.. but somehow I find it a bit better than Crystal... |
| 14:32.18 | Sho_ | Crystal is good work, but taste-wise it never agreed with me |
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| 14:32.48 | gsc | @Sho: I mean the pictograms of the K-menu. |
| 14:32.49 | Jucato | how about artist-wise? :D |
| 14:33.01 | Jucato | gsc: you mean the icons? |
| 14:33.17 | XVampireX | Sorry, using web based IRC Client, clicked on it, so it went to the page |
| 14:33.24 | XVampireX | what was the link again? |
| 14:33.39 | logixoul | http://www.eikehein.com/gentoo/kde |
| 14:33.59 | XVampireX | thanks |
| 14:34.00 | gsc | @Jucato: indeed. They are a little big in SUSE 10.1 |
| 14:34.01 | Jucato | gsc: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#_Change_Kicker_Menu_Icon_Size_KDE_3_4_ |
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| 14:34.29 | logixoul | that was fast :o |
| 14:34.33 | Sho_ | apt has a ~kmenu trigger for that, actually |
| 14:34.35 | gsc | @Jucato: will take al look; Thnx! |
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| 14:34.44 | logixoul | ~list |
| 14:34.46 | apt | one warez list being sent |
| 14:34.46 | Jucato | ~kmenu |
| 14:34.48 | apt | Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbfx |
| 14:34.54 | logixoul | ~commands |
| 14:35.13 | Sho_ | Hm not for the size I guess .. needs to be augmented :) |
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| 14:35.21 | logixoul | ~help |
| 14:35.22 | Jucato | :D |
| 14:35.36 | logixoul | ok that worked |
| 14:36.23 | Sho_ | hm, I don't find them very Gnomish in style regardless of color palette |
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| 14:36.30 | logixoul | ~logixoultest |
| 14:36.31 | apt | hmm... logixoultest is at http://google.com |
| 14:36.34 | logixoul | nice |
| 14:36.39 | Sho_ | Gnome icons tend to be a little more sober I'd say |
| 14:37.05 | Jucato | Sho_: yes. and make them less sober... something like Nuvola... not really sure... |
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| 14:40.31 | spawn57 | meh why is ldap auth in debian such a pain? |
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| 14:51.38 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 14:52.51 | Q-collective | My konsole's scrollbars are suddenly broken, I can't scroll back at all, they just stay "grayed out". Anyone any ideas what might be wrong? |
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| 14:54.38 | sAs|on | I have a problem with Suse, I have the iso´s on my pc and now i want to setup linux without burning it first | any possibilities ? |
| 14:54.52 | Sho_ | Q-collective: Disabled the history in Settings -> History perhaps? |
| 14:55.32 | Q-collective | Sho_: nope, still enabled and set to unlimited |
| 14:55.46 | Sho_ | sAs|on: You're pretty much going to have to burn them to boot and install them on that PC, unless you want to install it in a VM of some kind |
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| 14:56.43 | sAs|on | kk |
| 14:57.29 | Skrot | Is there a SVN program for KDE that supports SSL/SSH? |
| 14:57.42 | Skrot | Couldn't find anything in kdesvn |
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| 15:03.38 | Krazytekn0 | how do you set up KDE so you double click icons instead of single click? |
| 15:03.47 | Sho_ | Krazytekn0: KControl -> Peripherals -> Mouse |
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| 15:04.01 | ma3x | hello |
| 15:04.20 | Krazytekn0 | Sho_ thanks a bunch |
| 15:04.32 | Krazytekn0 | I just started using kde |
| 15:04.38 | ma3x | sometimes when I run kmail or konqueror or amarok, they start launching processes like kio_file /tmp/ma3x/..... and my computer freezes randomly after a few days |
| 15:04.44 | ma3x | what's wrong? |
| 15:04.50 | Sho_ | Krazytekn0: One of the first prefs I change in a new KDE too |
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| 15:05.22 | Krazytekn0 | it's a pain cause I keep executing stuff that I'm trying to delete cause it crashes my system |
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| 15:07.38 | logixoul | ma3x: they use /tmp for temporary files, i don't think that's related to the freezes |
| 15:07.40 | Sho_ | Good that they didn't chose TechNet after all, that would have collided with Microsofts TechNet |
| 15:07.51 | Sho_ | TechBase works IMO |
| 15:08.07 | logixoul | i still can't wrap my head around the Base but oh well :) |
| 15:08.20 | Sho_ | What would have been your favorite? |
| 15:08.20 | logixoul | ma3x: the kio process is used to abstract data transfer |
| 15:08.31 | Krazytekn0 | I thought Kompendium was cool |
| 15:08.43 | logixoul | Sho_: tech.kde.org but that wasn't in the list so i voted for backstage.kde.org |
| 15:08.46 | Sho_ | Backstage is kind of clever |
| 15:09.15 | waylandbill | are the icon filenames for a specific device (like smart_media_mount) defined somewhere configurable or are they hard-coded? |
| 15:09.20 | logixoul | Krazytekn0: any idea as to what it means? |
| 15:09.52 | logixoul | waylandbill: they're hardcoded |
| 15:09.56 | Sho_ | Kompendium is too long and awkward IMO |
| 15:10.30 | ma3x | logixoul: so what the hell is freezing my box? I had about 30 days uptime untill I launched amarok |
| 15:10.30 | Sho_ | Techbase or Backstage are short and snappy |
| 15:10.44 | bram85 | and kompendium suggests there's also stuff for end users |
| 15:10.50 | Jucato | true |
| 15:10.53 | Jucato | oh bram85 is here :) |
| 15:11.12 | logixoul | what's comprendium anyway? |
| 15:11.47 | Jucato | "collection: a publication containing a variety of works" (Google) |
| 15:11.48 | Krazytekn0 | logixoul : compendium: |
| 15:11.48 | logixoul | ma3x: no idea, try #amarok |
| 15:11.48 | Krazytekn0 | # collection: a publication containing a variety of works |
| 15:11.48 | Krazytekn0 | # a concise but comprehensive summary of a larger work |
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| 15:12.06 | logixoul | Jucato: hmm, "No definitions were found for comprendium."... weird |
| 15:12.06 | Q-collective | ah |
| 15:12.08 | Q-collective | solved |
| 15:12.22 | Sho_ | logixoul: compendium rather than comprendium |
| 15:12.30 | logixoul | aah :) |
| 15:12.35 | Q-collective | my / partition was full, rm'ing /var/tmp/ fixed the "problem" |
| 15:12.36 | Q-collective | =) |
| 15:12.45 | Krazytekn0 | ah jucato beat me to it |
| 15:13.36 | Jucato | bram85: I have a thought that's been playing around in my head for a few days now. about kde-forum... would you think it's possible to have a sort of update theme for it, coming from the KDE artists? |
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| 15:14.48 | bram85 | don't know if that is possible... the site is not ours (=KDE), but maintained by some one from outside |
| 15:14.59 | bram85 | so i should discuss that with him |
| 15:15.15 | Jucato | ah, I thought you'd have access too. you're a mod there right? |
| 15:15.22 | Jucato | or admin rather |
| 15:15.27 | bram85 | that's true |
| 15:15.45 | bram85 | but i've only used my powers to remove spammers, not looking much further into the system |
| 15:17.31 | bram85 | Jucato: i assume wiki.kde.org |
| 15:18.15 | Jucato | bram85: yep. I'm considering asking/suggesting the same to the owner of it too... but not being a person of any standing in KDE... |
| 15:18.33 | Sho_ | I hope the TikiWiki installation will be replaced by MediaWiki too one day |
| 15:18.42 | Jucato | and not sure if the kde artists are willing (or even allowed?) to do artwork for these sites |
| 15:18.43 | bram85 | the current wiki sucks imo |
| 15:19.01 | benJIman | developernew is good |
| 15:19.04 | Jucato | true true... even made suckier by an ugly (imho) appearance |
| 15:19.22 | bram85 | have you seen it's translations... it chooses Dutch for me which is horrible |
| 15:19.29 | benJIman | bram85: http://developernew.kde.org/ you've seen that? |
| 15:19.38 | bram85 | benJIman: i'm not referring to that one |
| 15:19.43 | bram85 | benJIman: wiki.kde.org |
| 15:19.53 | benJIman | bram85: but that's obsoleted by developernew |
| 15:19.59 | Jucato | benJIman: we were talking about the "user" wiki |
| 15:20.00 | bram85 | not true |
| 15:20.19 | benJIman | I never saw user stuff on wiki. |
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| 15:20.23 | bram85 | wiki.kde.org is for users and developers tend to put stuff there as well... now devs have their own spot |
| 15:20.27 | Jucato | benJIman: developernew is for the developer end of things. wiki.kde.org is a sort of "3rd party" user wiki |
| 15:20.32 | logixoul | benJIman: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings |
| 15:20.54 | Jucato | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tips+and+Tricks |
| 15:20.57 | Sho_ | developernew won't replace wiki.kde.org |
| 15:21.08 | Jucato | I guess one reason why the devs also used wiki.kde.org was because there was no other wiki at the time |
| 15:21.09 | Sho_ | It replaces developer.kde.org |
| 15:21.37 | logixoul | anyone know how to delete articles in wiki.k.o? |
| 15:21.51 | Jucato | so in the future, wiki.kde.org will become more of a user wiki, as that audience is beyond the scope of dnew.k.o |
| 15:21.58 | logixoul | ones i've moved over to devnew are still lingering in wiki.k.o. |
| 15:22.14 | Sho_ | logixoul: There is one problem with "backstage".kde.org, though |
| 15:22.23 | Sho_ | logixoul: The abbreviation would be bko and we use that for bugzilla already ;) |
| 15:22.30 | logixoul | heh |
| 15:22.35 | logixoul | true |
| 15:22.45 | Jucato | bs.k.o would look... strange... |
| 15:22.54 | logixoul | my thought exactly :D |
| 15:23.13 | bram85 | bs = bram schoenmakers , that was my first thought |
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| 15:23.23 | logixoul | bs=bullshit for me |
| 15:23.25 | Sho_ | so tko is probably better after all |
| 15:24.11 | Jucato | bs = bullshit in most online circles :) |
| 15:24.55 | logixoul | as long as tko stands for tech.kde.org, i'm fine with that :) |
| 15:25.15 | Jucato | techbase actually (I think) |
| 15:25.24 | Sho_ | I prefer techbase |
| 15:25.38 | logixoul | Jucato: that's the leader yes, but tech is what i think is better |
| 15:25.44 | Jucato | given the choices in the poll? it would seem to be the best choice... |
| 15:25.51 | Jucato | (techbase) |
| 15:26.00 | logixoul | Jucato: yes |
| 15:26.08 | Sho_ | the base makes it more of a "place" |
| 15:26.23 | Jucato | well, it is a place, in some sense... |
| 15:26.30 | Sho_ | exactly .. :) |
| 15:26.37 | logixoul | Sho_: ok, but to quote the discussion from the wiki, "it's a made up word and as such will age rapidly." |
| 15:26.43 | Jucato | base also means "foundation"... so it's good too |
| 15:27.03 | Dr_willis | hmm... are not all words made up. :) |
| 15:27.04 | Jucato | what? and Linux isn't a made up word? :D |
| 15:27.11 | Sho_ | logixoul: Why would it? It's not like "knowledge base" and such have aged |
| 15:27.14 | Dr_willis | the Zen of Linux |
| 15:27.22 | Jucato | and some made up words become real words in the process... |
| 15:27.28 | Jucato | Linux, Google... |
| 15:28.04 | bram85 | to be exact, google is not a made up word |
| 15:28.10 | Sho_ | And names with two syllables are just so snappy somehow :) |
| 15:28.13 | logixoul | 1000000000000000000000000000..000 |
| 15:28.23 | Jucato | bram85: oh? I didn't know... |
| 15:28.36 | Jucato | what did it mean originally? |
| 15:28.43 | logixoul | Jucato: 10 to the power of 100 |
| 15:29.32 | Jucato | aaah |
| 15:29.35 | Jucato | ok.. Linux then :) |
| 15:29.48 | logixoul | Linus's UNIX :) |
| 15:29.53 | logixoul | yep, still a word |
| 15:30.02 | logixoul | Sho_: but knowledge base is a phrase... it's directly parsable. techbase seems more like a name, which needs to be remembered. knowledge base is something you can almost figure out yourself |
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| 15:30.47 | bram85 | red... it should be red... period. |
| 15:30.47 | logixoul | lol |
| 15:30.48 | Jucato | :) |
| 15:32.12 | Sho_ | logixoul: I think it's actually easier to remember than "tech", though, because it's less generic |
| 15:32.23 | Sho_ | And sounds more like a place |
| 15:32.30 | bram85 | bs = bikeshed... |
| 15:32.33 | bram85 | just a thought |
| 15:32.41 | Jucato | and techbase is more marketable than tech, imho |
| 15:32.42 | Sho_ | "I should go check in the Techbase" works better for me than "Let's check on tech" |
| 15:32.46 | Jucato | nice one bram85 :) |
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| 15:33.33 | logixoul | Sho_: OTOH no one says "Let's check on bugs", they all say bugs.kde.org or bko... so rather "Let's check on tko" |
| 15:33.37 | bram85 | but by the way... wasn't the name already decided? we are talking about devnew right? |
| 15:33.47 | logixoul | bram85: we are, http://nupolls.com/result/30229/ |
| 15:33.58 | logixoul | still voting |
| 15:34.14 | Sho_ | I think Backstage is even more marketable, but the acronym is a problem ;) |
| 15:34.58 | Jucato | bk.k.o |
| 15:34.59 | logixoul | bkstg :) j/k |
| 15:35.26 | Sho_ | "Wisdom" is a bit pretentious IMO ;) |
| 15:35.34 | logixoul | bram85: that would still cover wiki.kde.org tho |
| 15:35.40 | Jucato | it's not even used correctly... |
| 15:35.49 | logixoul | wisdom!=knowledge |
| 15:35.57 | Jucato | logixoul: exactly |
| 15:36.05 | bram85 | but still i like it |
| 15:36.11 | logixoul | kay :) |
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| 15:36.30 | Jucato | heh there's no arguing with that :) |
| 15:37.10 | d1zzy | hi there. any idea with what command I can trigger kde to show the kde menu at the current mouse position (or at a givem mouse position) ? I want to integrate this feature (right click on the desktop to show the kde menu) into the beryl wm and I thought to make it run a command could work |
| 15:37.21 | d1zzy | I assume there is some dcop command for that |
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| 15:37.45 | bram85 | i think the menu is bound to the K button codewise |
| 15:38.04 | logixoul | dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu |
| 15:38.12 | logixoul | dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu(QPoint) |
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| 15:39.08 | logixoul | bram85: possibly but you needn't have the button shown to use the menu |
| 15:39.21 | d1zzy | logixoul: hmm what should I replace QPoint with ? |
| 15:39.25 | d1zzy | I mean in the command line |
| 15:39.36 | logixoul | not sure, lemme try |
| 15:39.44 | d1zzy | hehe thanks |
| 15:39.46 | Sho_ | x,y values |
| 15:39.58 | d1zzy | $ dcop kicker kicker 'popupKMenu(10, 20)' |
| 15:39.58 | d1zzy | Not enough arguments. |
| 15:40.08 | logixoul | drop the () |
| 15:40.09 | d1zzy | used single quotes to tell bash to not deal with the paranthesis |
| 15:40.10 | bram85 | is QPoint supported by dcop? i thought only some base types like ints and strings |
| 15:40.12 | Sho_ | e.g. dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu 100,100 |
| 15:40.31 | d1zzy | oh it works lol |
| 15:40.41 | d1zzy | now how to get the current cursor position using dcop or other command... :) |
| 15:40.52 | Jucato | d1zzy: dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu 0 |
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| 15:41.16 | d1zzy | cool thank you guys, you rock ! |
| 15:41.23 | Jucato | d1zzy: you might want to take a look into something else too |
| 15:41.25 | d1zzy | now let's see if beryl is smart enough to launch a command on right click trigger |
| 15:41.42 | Jucato | right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior |
| 15:41.49 | d1zzy | Sho_: I am generally but doesn't use the new GLX_ext_texture_from_pixmap :) |
| 15:41.55 | Jucato | d1zzy: mouse Button Actions |
| 15:42.08 | Sho_ | d1zzy: The development version does ;) |
| 15:42.08 | d1zzy | Jucato: that works with other window managers ? |
| 15:42.10 | logixoul | d1zzy: yes |
| 15:42.14 | Jucato | d1zzy: yes |
| 15:42.19 | Jucato | it's now a window manager-dependent feature |
| 15:42.21 | d1zzy | Sho_: damn I dare not get into kde svn right now, I'm just a puny user after all hehe |
| 15:42.32 | d1zzy | Jucato, logixoul oh, ok let me try that then |
| 15:42.32 | Sho_ | d1zzy: Look forward to KDE4 then =) |
| 15:43.03 | d1zzy | kwin's configurability just kicks ass (I usually configure to look and behave as icewm which I used for a long time) |
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| 15:43.46 | d1zzy | but the right button it's already configured to show the application menu |
| 15:43.57 | d1zzy | cause it worked when using kwin doesn't seem to work anymore with beryl |
| 15:44.11 | d1zzy | might that have anything to do that I have "show icons on desktop" disabled ? (don't think so) |
| 15:44.28 | Jucato | application menu = k menu... |
| 15:44.34 | logixoul | should work under any circumstances |
| 15:44.57 | d1zzy | logixoul: well it stopped working since I witched to beryl (defined KDEWM=beryl in profile and such) |
| 15:45.05 | d1zzy | but thanks for the hint :) |
| 15:45.06 | logixoul | hmm |
| 15:45.22 | Jucato | it should work though.... must be a beryl thing |
| 15:45.23 | sharp15 | d1zzy: it has to do with using beryl and not kwin. beryl catches a number of keystroke and mouse events before kde sees them. |
| 15:45.47 | d1zzy | I thought so |
| 15:45.48 | logixoul | d1zzy: does *any* menu pop up when you rclick the desktop now? |
| 15:45.54 | d1zzy | no, no menu |
| 15:46.03 | Jucato | one thing I like about beryl is the ability to combine keyboard modifiers and mouse buttons as shortcuts... |
| 15:46.05 | d1zzy | I supose beryl wants to do something with this thingy but no idea what as nothing seems to happen |
| 15:46.08 | logixoul | you sure kdesktop is running? |
| 15:46.18 | sharp15 | d1zzy: which beryl version? |
| 15:46.26 | d1zzy | 27196 ? S 0:00 kdesktop [kdeinit] seems so |
| 15:46.30 | d1zzy | sharp15: latest stable 0.1.4 |
| 15:46.57 | logixoul | Jucato: vote for http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48062 ;) |
| 15:47.13 | sharp15 | d1zzy: then i'll be no help. they moved everything around in the svn/unstable/0.2 branch. |
| 15:47.28 | d1zzy | heh |
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| 15:49.08 | Jucato | logixoul: 1000+ votes and no "response"? not even a hint? :( |
| 15:49.28 | logixoul | you mean like a workaround? |
| 15:49.31 | logixoul | there is one |
| 15:49.34 | logixoul | imwheel |
| 15:49.39 | logixoul | (i think) |
| 15:50.01 | Jucato | I mean, no hint of whether there's a possibility of having this in KDE/KWin |
| 15:50.07 | logixoul | ah |
| 15:50.20 | Jucato | last comment was Aug. 2006... :( |
| 15:50.32 | Jucato | I doubt my vote would matter... |
| 15:50.38 | logixoul | yep all right |
| 15:51.11 | sharp15 | is kdesu supposed to ask for the root password instead of the user password? |
| 15:51.12 | d1zzy | lol now THIS is strange. it works quite well with kdesktop right click if I enable "show icons on desktop" |
| 15:51.16 | d1zzy | which wasn't necessary with kwin |
| 15:51.17 | d1zzy | heh |
| 15:51.32 | Sho_ | sharp15: depends, it can use su or sudo |
| 15:51.34 | logixoul | sharp15: kdesu --user username |
| 15:51.45 | Jucato | sharp15: depends on the distro, and the kdesu config |
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| 15:52.00 | logixoul | sharp15: i mean kdesu -u username |
| 15:52.32 | d1zzy | anyway thank you guys for the help, I'll just enable the icons for now |
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| 15:52.56 | bram85 | ok, back to the bikeshed |
| 15:52.59 | sharp15 | Sho_: how do I make it sudo? (i couldn't find it in the documentation.) |
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| 15:53.32 | sharp15 | Jucato: Distro. = gentoo, kdesu config = i don't know where to find it. |
| 15:54.33 | sharp15 | unless of course kdesu is controlled by /etc/sudoers |
| 15:54.57 | Sho_ | sharp15: See http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20914#c24 |
| 15:55.06 | bram85 | once kdesu is set to sudo it would use /etc/sudoers i guess |
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| 15:55.32 | Jucato | that one from seli is the config file I was referring too... |
| 15:55.38 | Jucato | seli? er... |
| 15:55.41 | Sho_ | I'll ask the Gentoo KDE guys to add a use flag to the kdesu ebuild |
| 15:55.46 | Jucato | I meant Lleoki |
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| 15:58.45 | sharp15 | All I needed was docs for kdesu, only thing I could find was on docs.kde.org and those didn't cover configuration. |
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| 16:00.04 | Jucato | sharp15: did you see the link above? |
| 16:00.52 | sharp15 | Jucato: yes. kdesu is working as expected now. my comment was in response to Sho_'s use flag comment. |
| 16:01.34 | sharp15 | Sho_, Jucato, logixoul: thanks for the help. |
| 16:01.38 | Sho_ | sharp15: I've set things in motion nor for the kdesu ebuild to get a sudo use flag |
| 16:01.44 | Sho_ | s/nor/now/ |
| 16:01.48 | logixoul | sharp15: kwriteconfig --file kderc --group super-user-command --key super-user-command sudo |
| 16:01.56 | logixoul | ah |
| 16:02.03 | logixoul | you got it working, ok |
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| 16:05.31 | orangey | Hey all! |
| 16:05.51 | orangey | I've been having some problems since I upgraded to the kde 3.5.x series. My email spell-checking is no longer automatically on regardless of what I do. |
| 16:05.56 | orangey | and same with kopete. |
| 16:06.06 | orangey | any ideas as to how I could possibly rectify this, and force them to default every time? |
| 16:06.20 | logixoul | try disabling richtext |
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| 16:06.44 | orangey | logixoul: to my knowledge it's not enabled. |
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| 16:06.53 | orangey | logixoul: there are no rich-text features on my default chat window. |
| 16:07.20 | orangey | logixoul: actually, how do I fully disable richtext always? |
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| 16:07.47 | orangey | Configure > Appearance > Colors & Fonts > "Do not show user specified rich text"? |
| 16:07.57 | logixoul | wait, i found it |
| 16:08.14 | logixoul | configure kopete->behavior->chat->enable automatic spell checking |
| 16:08.26 | Tm_T | Eh. |
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| 16:08.31 | orangey | logixoul: that's already on. |
| 16:08.36 | orangey | logixoul: and always has been.. |
| 16:08.38 | logixoul | ah |
| 16:08.51 | orangey | logixoul: but I want to make sure my richtext is disabled.. |
| 16:09.12 | Sho_ | Richtext is (annoyingly) a per-contact setting, you have to enable the main toolbar and click the richtext toggleaction on it, then the format toolbar finally disappears for good and RT is off |
| 16:09.17 | Tm_T | logixoul: orangey: There's stupidity in Kopete, richtext is default "on", just keep removing toolbar, also editing kopeterc might do the final trick. |
| 16:09.20 | Tm_T | Sho_: Yup. |
| 16:09.33 | orangey | Tm_T: what in kopeterc? |
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| 16:09.54 | orangey | really? Removing the format toolbar 'disables' richtext? |
| 16:09.58 | Sho_ | no |
| 16:10.03 | Sho_ | Read closer what I said |
| 16:10.10 | orangey | Sho_: gotcha. i see it. |
| 16:10.10 | logixoul | Tm_T: sadly bug 59080 pervents really removing the toolbar |
| 16:10.20 | orangey | OK, that works. |
| 16:10.29 | Tm_T | logixoul: Oww, haven't following those, I did disable it from sources here. |
| 16:10.31 | Sho_ | When you disable richtext on the main toolbar, the format toolbar won't come up anymore |
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| 16:11.07 | orangey | that's actually impossible for meta contacts where one (i.e., MSN) allows rich text, and the other (i.e., ICQ) doesn't, and the person is online on ICQ and not online in MSN |
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| 16:11.36 | orangey | in fact, I can in no way disable richtext for MSN contacts. |
| 16:11.38 | Sho_ | It's definitely messy |
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| 16:12.34 | logixoul | Sho_: i don't have a "disable richtext" toolbutton in the chat window |
| 16:12.40 | spawn57 | w00t |
| 16:12.46 | spawn57 | i got ldap authentication working haha |
| 16:13.07 | orangey | logixoul: It's the pencil. Do it on a jabber contact. That appears to be the only one it works on. |
| 16:13.13 | logixoul | oh |
| 16:13.17 | logixoul | so no irc :( |
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| 16:13.32 | wolsni | orangey: you mean you can only disable richtext in jabber? |
| 16:13.39 | orangey | wolsni: Yes sir. |
| 16:13.42 | Sho_ | I only use Kopete for Jabber, hence ... |
| 16:13.45 | orangey | wolsni: I can't in ICQ or MSN |
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| 16:14.45 | orangey | sho : ) |
| 16:14.58 | orangey | Alright, not that big of a deal with chats.. but it *is* a big deal for emails. |
| 16:15.12 | orangey | same problem, but the email problem only came in 3.5.6 |
| 16:15.19 | orangey | (where the kopete problem has been for a while) |
| 16:15.28 | orangey | How do I make the spellchecker default? |
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| 16:15.43 | logixoul | kmail? |
| 16:15.46 | Sho_ | I don't have a spell-checker installed and don't use KMail, so I'm out of the race on that one |
| 16:16.07 | orangey | ah. same issue. |
| 16:16.13 | orangey | disabling 'formatting' fixed it. |
| 16:16.18 | Sho_ | Curious |
| 16:16.30 | logixoul | do i need klipper if i want clipboard data to stay when closing app i copied it from? |
| 16:16.47 | Sho_ | yes |
| 16:16.49 | logixoul | k |
| 16:17.01 | Sho_ | lilalinux: in X Windows, the app you copied from is responsible for handing out the data |
| 16:17.08 | Sho_ | err, logixoul |
| 16:17.19 | Sho_ | Klipper papers over that basically |
| 16:17.23 | logixoul | i see |
| 16:17.54 | orangey | well, any plans to fix the spellcheck thing? I feel like it's 2001 again. |
| 16:18.09 | Sho_ | orangey: There's a lot happening wrt/ spell checking in KDE4 |
| 16:18.31 | Sho_ | orangey: KSpell2 is on the way out in favor of the much-improved framework Sonnet, which also does nice things like per-paragraph language detection and such |
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| 16:19.39 | Sho_ | KSpell2 is quite horrid code anyway, it has any number of quirks that we needed to work around in Konversation (such as spuriously inserting newlines after replacements .. the buggy KSpell2 code in question is commented with a "// do we really need that?", which is a funny kick in the face ) |
| 16:20.16 | logixoul | "Ich bin gefärlich," the adventurer said. |
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| 16:20.52 | logixoul | 1 paragraph 2 langs :) |
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| 16:21.11 | Sho_ | logixoul: Per-sentence is on the table too, but it's unclear if the sample size is big enough |
| 16:21.29 | logixoul | aha |
| 16:21.30 | Sho_ | logixoul: Most likely has to be solved just with better UI to make it easier to cope with that situation |
| 16:22.11 | Sho_ | logixoul: Language detection basically works by looking at text and seeing if its characteristics fit the profile of a given language, so you need a certain amount of it to make confident decisions |
| 16:22.18 | wolsni | better UI will increase the size of a sentence? am I misunderstanding you? |
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| 16:22.45 | Sho_ | logixoul: It already tries to be smart by e.g. opting for a language that was previously detected in the document when the sample size is too small to decide between langs and such, I think |
| 16:23.08 | wolferine | so far, the only success I have had in vncing into my linux box, is if I run mcc and utilize my "onlne admin" to allow remote control of it, which opens a server called xOrfbserver, running vncserver does nothing, both from a local install, to an ssh into it and running vncserver, can someone help me to troubleshoot? |
| 16:23.10 | Sho_ | wolsni: No, better UI might make it easier to draw upon several dictionaries when language detection isn't good enough to narrow it down to one |
| 16:23.46 | Sho_ | wolsni: For example the context menu could perhaps offer suggestions from both dicts, ranked and clearly seperated, or somesuch |
| 16:23.53 | Sho_ | wolsni: That's left for the Sonnet guys to figure out =) |
| 16:24.01 | wolsni | Sho_: ah, that makes more sense |
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| 16:25.32 | Sho_ | logixoul: And it would have been "gefährlich", just to play spell-checker ;) |
| 16:26.04 | logixoul | haha ok |
| 16:26.15 | jonez | howdy. I'm using kmail, and I've found that when I try to gpg sign a message, I get a dialog box that says "bad passphrase", and the email will not be sent.. how do I clear the cache? |
| 16:26.46 | orangey | is there a timeline for KDE 4.0 right now? |
| 16:27.05 | Sho_ | ~kde4 |
| 16:27.07 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. We don't know when that will be. It will most likely be in 2007 or 2008, but it could be also 2009 or later. |
| 16:27.07 | orangey | I stopped reading the KDE blogs some time ago when I ran out of time. |
| 16:27.26 | orangey | Sho_: That's gonna hurt ; ) |
| 16:27.28 | Sho_ | orangey: I like "less than a decade, more than six months" myself ;) |
| 16:27.43 | bram85 | we're going to beat the winxp -> vista transition time wise :) |
| 16:27.50 | orangey | hehehe ; ) |
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| 16:28.27 | jonez | oh.. I'm using fedora core 5 on this workstation, kdepim-3.5.5-0.1.fc5 |
| 16:28.27 | bram85 | no seriously, i think / hope it's Q4 2007 or so.. but without a release team no one can be sure |
| 16:28.42 | Sho_ | I don't think it's going to be 2007, personally |
| 16:28.49 | orangey | In the drupal project, they had a reasonably intense conversation about the time to release drupal 4.7. It was actually something that they decided was not the way to go, and so they are doing smaller transitions as a result.. All the same things you guys have probably thought about - loss of interest, apparent stagnation, etc. |
| 16:29.22 | orangey | to expand: 4.7 took a year or so to release after 4.6, and the discussion happened after. |
| 16:29.58 | bram85 | orangey: but we're in the middle of one big transition right now... doing it in smaller chunks is not possible right now |
| 16:30.12 | Sho_ | orangey: There was a discussion about big-next-gen vs. incremental in KDE too, but the need to port to Qt4 and the need to keep ABI/API compatibility in 3.x make incremental unfeasible for 4 given the manpower |
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| 16:31.50 | orangey | sho: Out of curiosity, how much is it costing now? And how much money would really rock production? |
| 16:32.20 | tdn | I would like to file a bug against the network part of the "System Settings" in Kubuntu/KDE. Where should I do this? I do not know if this is a bug in KDE in general or a bug in Kubuntu only. Please guide me. |
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| 16:32.36 | bram85 | tdn: most probably kubuntu related |
| 16:33.01 | tdn | bram85, ok. It is a kinda user interface bug. |
| 16:33.59 | Jucato | tdn: what do you mean? the bot sent you a PM with details for filing bugs |
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| 16:34.59 | tdn | Jucato, I just hinted that it might be a KDE bug, when it is a UI related bug... But maybe it's not. |
| 16:35.26 | Jucato | tdn: well that depends... it may be a KDE bug if it's in the modules themselves |
| 16:35.38 | Jucato | if it concerns the main system settings UI though, it's a kubuntu bug |
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| 16:36.11 | tdn | Jucato, ok. Thanks. I'll file it in Ubuntu then. |
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| 16:36.28 | Jucato | tdn: mind sharing what it is? |
| 16:36.36 | tdn | Jucato, but of course :) |
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| 16:36.43 | tdn | When editing my connection settings in System Settings and press Apply. The "Reloading Connection Settings" dialog pops up *behind* the System Settings window, so you cannot see it. This confuses the user. |
| 16:36.50 | tdn | Steps to reproduce: Editing connection settings in System Settings > Network Settings > Network Connections > eth1 (Wireless interface) > Configure Interface |
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| 16:37.30 | Jucato | tdn: have you tried to reproduce this when using Kcontrol? |
| 16:37.40 | tdn | Jucato, no. I have not. |
| 16:38.15 | tdn | Jucato, and I would like not to right now, 'cause then I'll be cutting the network connection that I am IRCing from right now ;) |
| 16:38.18 | Jucato | tdn: anyway, it looks more like a system settings bug. launchpad.net is the pace to go :) |
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| 16:38.47 | tdn | Jucato, and the network at my place is really b0rked. It took me an hour to get hole through, so now I won't mess with it for a while ;) |
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| 16:48.05 | tecnico | Where are the account settings for Kontact stored in the user's directory? I looked at kde/share/config/kontactrc but it doesn't have any account settings. |
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| 16:49.13 | wolsni | tecnico: mail accounts should be stored in the kmail config |
| 16:49.30 | wolsni | tecnico: kmail is embedded in kontact |
| 16:49.52 | tecnico | wolsni: that's right ! tnx. |
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| 16:58.02 | logixoul | is there a place where i can see icon themes sorted by breadth of coverage? |
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| 16:58.53 | logixoul | some of the top voted icon themes in kde-look have pretty poor coverage so sorting by votes is far from that |
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| 16:59.37 | annma | kde-look is not a kde website logixoul |
| 17:00.32 | logixoul | i know |
| 17:01.15 | logixoul | but it doesn't have a separate channel... |
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| 17:05.27 | appelza | Hi guys, how do I allow for greater resolutions in X than 1024x768 @ 60hz? I've tried adjusting my horizontal/vert refresh to no effect. |
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| 17:06.08 | annma | apakatt: ask your distro channel |
| 17:06.28 | apakatt | annma: what? wrong person? |
| 17:06.41 | annma | appelza: ask your distro channel |
| 17:06.44 | annma | sorry apakatt |
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| 17:07.54 | appelza | thnaks |
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| 17:18.15 | logixoul | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7524 :) |
| 17:18.29 | thiago | what's that? |
| 17:18.38 | logixoul | a funny bug |
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| 17:19.11 | thiago | ah |
| 17:19.14 | thiago | there are worse :-) |
| 17:19.30 | logixoul | heh :) |
| 17:19.40 | thiago | I remember that coolo patched Bugzilla to remove the Commit button on one certain report |
| 17:20.00 | logixoul | LOL |
| 17:21.25 | thiago | so that people wouldn't keep reopening it and making a flame war on it |
| 17:22.01 | logixoul | it must've been a hell of a report |
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| 17:29.43 | atidem | hi |
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| 17:37.32 | [A2K] | NAUTILUS SUX! |
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| 17:38.01 | logixoul | ...and he came in here to say this... |
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| 17:38.43 | [bobrik] | will dolphin default file manager in kde? |
| 17:38.54 | [bobrik] | sorry for my english |
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| 17:40.44 | [bobrik] | gnome eaten everybody? :) |
| 17:40.59 | logixoul | [bobrik]: quite possibly |
| 17:41.11 | logixoul | quite possibly will be the default, that is |
| 17:41.20 | [bobrik] | fuck |
| 17:41.33 | [bobrik] | i`ll migrate into console |
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| 17:41.42 | logixoul | konqi will still ship |
| 17:41.55 | logixoul | [bobrik]: what do you dislike about dolphin? |
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| 17:42.13 | logixoul | wolsni: well, not *that* scattered :) |
| 17:42.22 | [bobrik] | i think that konq must be default |
| 17:42.27 | logixoul | why? |
| 17:42.34 | [bobrik] | dolphin as alternative |
| 17:42.40 | [bobrik] | why not? |
| 17:42.43 | [bobrik] | i like konq |
| 17:42.47 | logixoul | because dolphin is simpler |
| 17:42.50 | logixoul | ergo easier |
| 17:42.52 | [bobrik] | haha |
| 17:42.59 | [bobrik] | cp && ls more simple |
| 17:43.07 | [bobrik] | why not them? |
| 17:43.23 | logixoul | because they're not as feature rich |
| 17:43.33 | logixoul | they can't select files to delete in one go, for example |
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| 17:44.01 | [bobrik] | mc? |
| 17:44.08 | sredna | i like my mixed ftp/file/http profiles that i use for website management |
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| 17:44.26 | logixoul | [bobrik]: it's inconsistent with kde. |
| 17:44.26 | [bobrik] | sredna$> me too |
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| 17:44.30 | sredna | for me, dolphin is a step backwords |
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| 17:44.54 | [bobrik] | kparts goes > /dev/null, eh? |
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| 17:45.31 | logixoul | [bobrik]: yep, dolphin won't embed kparts |
| 17:45.44 | logixoul | sredna: hmm, valid usecase |
| 17:46.21 | wolsni | konqueror is not the only program that can embed kparts, though, right? |
| 17:46.25 | logixoul | yes |
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| 17:46.33 | logixoul | any app can, tho few do |
| 17:47.09 | logixoul | sredna: so to manage your site you open the relevant profile, which consists of something like a CPanel http tab, a filemanager ftp tab and a file local tab? |
| 17:47.19 | sredna | logixoul: apart from that, i have a hard time seing dolphin being simpler, konqueror can be as simple as i like (i for example haven't really a lot of service menus installed) |
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| 17:47.56 | sredna | logixoul: i usually have a split view for ftping, a tab with pspmyadmin, one with the webserver control panel and one with the site |
| 17:47.58 | logixoul | sredna: we're talking defaults here. plus dolphin has a lot of usability novelties you can't hack into konq |
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| 17:48.33 | [bobrik] | why not embed them into konq? |
| 17:48.38 | sredna | logixoul: such as? |
| 17:48.46 | logixoul | [bobrik]: embed what? |
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| 17:48.59 | [bobrik] | a lot of usability novelties you can't hack into konq |
| 17:49.01 | logixoul | sredna: nonobtrusive statusbar error notification |
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| 17:49.28 | logixoul | sredna: clickable address bar |
| 17:49.28 | [bobrik] | haha |
| 17:49.28 | logixoul | sredna: "places" sidebar |
| 17:49.28 | [bobrik] | it rocks? |
| 17:49.38 | logixoul | yep |
| 17:49.42 | [bobrik] | maybe you don`t know 'up' button? |
| 17:49.54 | logixoul | i don't see the relation |
| 17:49.54 | [doctor] | hm... [nick] means "i'm rissian?" |
| 17:49.57 | [bobrik] | open konq |
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| 17:50.02 | [bobrik] | press F9 |
| 17:50.22 | logixoul | [bobrik]: i'm aware of konqueror's sidebar |
| 17:50.30 | logixoul | [bobrik]: it just has different use cases |
| 17:50.37 | wolsni | logixoul: the up button gives a list of all containing directories if you hold it down; so that's roughly equivalent to the clickable address bar |
| 17:50.37 | sredna | logixoul: and why wouldn't the clickable sidebar be implemented in konqueror?? |
| 17:50.41 | wolsni | roughly |
| 17:50.47 | sredna | logixoul: or the places sidebar? |
| 17:50.53 | [ep5il0n] | logixoul: so you like more nautilus-like filemanagers? |
| 17:50.54 | [bobrik] | omg |
| 17:51.07 | Alumin | question: does (should?) trash:/ correspond to ~/.local/share/Trash ? |
| 17:51.51 | [bobrik] | Alumin$> yes |
| 17:51.52 | logixoul | wolsni: that requires going through a 2-click route just to go somewhere you often need to, which is one click too much, isn't it? |
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| 17:52.19 | Alumin | [bobrik]: any idea why that directory would have 900-odd MB of stuff in it while the Trash applet and trash:/ both show empty? |
| 17:52.40 | logixoul | sredna: they can, but you claimed you could make konq as simple as dolphin by merely configuring (which i referred to as "hacking sth into") it |
| 17:52.48 | [bobrik] | Alumin$> just rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash |
| 17:52.55 | [bobrik] | maybe service info? |
| 17:53.01 | wolsni | logixoul: i actually never use it |
| 17:53.27 | logixoul | [ep5il0n]: i've used nautilus for less than a day but yes, the impression was generally good. |
| 17:53.31 | Alumin | [bobrik]: is that safe? won't the KDE mothership miss that directory if it disappears? |
| 17:53.48 | [bobrik] | Alumin$> absolutely safe |
| 17:55.37 | [bobrik] | logixoul$> no more questions, thanks to [ep5il0n] |
| 17:55.38 | logixoul | [bobrik]: ok |
| 17:55.38 | sredna | logixoul: i dont say konqueror couldn't be improved. but i would rather see people focusing on that than developing a new app that can do less. |
| 17:55.39 | pinotree | Alumin: kde will recreate it if missing |
| 17:55.39 | logixoul | wolsni: not to play psychologist, but i suppose your old habits are just too ingrained ("fixated"?) to break into new usage dimensions |
| 17:55.40 | logixoul | wolsni: as in, you can't find a good use for the clickable navbar but a new user likely would, imho |
| 17:55.40 | wolsni | logixoul: whoa, too many buzzwords :) |
| 17:55.43 | sredna | logixoul: of course, one could find that the konqueror codebase is so cluttered that it would be faster or better to start over. but i still think that konqueror has a truely awsome feature set |
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| 17:55.48 | PhilOut | sredna: well, to be fair - konqueror has a very specific set of aims, which doesn't necessarily work for everyone |
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| 17:56.11 | wolsni | logixoul: I'm not saying the clickable navbar is a bad thing |
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| 17:56.36 | logixoul | wolsni: yeah, sorry about that. trying to keep up with you guis doesn't let me think about text style :P |
| 17:56.39 | shaman | man I am hoping kde4 is out this year |
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| 17:56.44 | logixoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.51 | shaman | i am getting tired of qt3's text box problems |
| 17:57.10 | PhilRod | sredna: I mean, for me and I guess you, having remote sites treated the same as local sites is pretty cool, but it's not a big stretch to see why it doesn't work for everyone |
| 17:57.38 | logixoul | wolsni: ok, you're right. i badly worded the argument. |
| 17:57.41 | sredna | PhilRod: maybe :) |
| 17:58.01 | logixoul | wolsni: indeed, in konqueror 4 stuff like the clickable navbar will almost certaily be shared with dolphin |
| 17:58.12 | logixoul | certainly* |
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| 17:58.42 | wolsni | logixoul: dolphin's supposed to just be a testing ground for playing with file manager concepts anyway, right? |
| 17:58.54 | logixoul | hmm, i once said that, yes |
| 17:59.03 | wolsni | i thought it was all supposed to be merged back into konq later, but it's starting to look otherwise |
| 17:59.07 | logixoul | but reading aseigo's blog a few minutes ago got me thinking |
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| 18:00.13 | aseigo | wolsni: they share most of their code |
| 18:00.35 | appelza | I like Dolphin |
| 18:00.36 | logixoul | aseigo: we're discussing which the default manager should be |
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| 18:00.46 | aseigo | wolsni: due to the componentized nature of kde, saying "merged back later" is not particularly meaningful |
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| 18:01.29 | aseigo | shaman: 4.0 will be. kde4 will continue on for quite some time. |
| 18:01.46 | aseigo | shaman: it's like saying "i hope kde3 will be out this year" back in 04 =) |
| 18:01.54 | wolsni | aseigo: i meant that dolphin was not going to be a separate application whenever kde4 comes out, but the nifty features from it would be present in konqueror's file manager functions |
| 18:02.28 | aseigo | wolsni: that would prevent us from providing an interface that works for people for whom konqueror doesn't |
| 18:02.58 | shaman | well ok... I hope 4.0 is released this year then |
| 18:03.01 | shaman | :) |
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| 18:03.45 | shaman | on this machine I will probably beta test... if one cannot code, one can provide accurate feedback... |
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| 18:04.26 | wolsni | aseigo: so you think providing a good alternative is a more reasonable goal than making konqueror good enough that it just works for everyone? |
| 18:05.01 | aseigo | wolsni: since one is achievable and the other isn't, yes |
| 18:05.15 | aseigo | wolsni: feel free to try. dfaure, myself and others have tried as well. |
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| 18:06.18 | wolsni | aseigo: i'll take your word for it |
| 18:06.24 | wolsni | for the time being, at least |
| 18:06.40 | shaman | I'm not sure that KDE should try to plan for some arbitrary "simple enough for joe user" goal |
| 18:06.52 | aseigo | wolsni: there are simply two very different use cases. making an complex app configurable to be simpler only makes it more complex. |
| 18:07.24 | aseigo | shaman: neither do i. that's not the goal. |
| 18:07.24 | appelza | I think it's more a thing about one app that does one job and does it well, than 'making an app that even idiots can use' |
| 18:08.08 | appelza | Konq is awesome, but it gets abit much, thats why I use dolphin now...just because its cleaner |
| 18:08.32 | shaman | I on the other hand will likely not use dolphin because cleaner doesn't enter into my thinking |
| 18:08.40 | aseigo | great! so we make both of you happy. |
| 18:08.45 | aseigo | what's the problem again? ;) |
| 18:08.51 | shaman | if both are still there... no problem |
| 18:08.57 | shaman | I hope |
| 18:09.09 | wolsni | aseigo: i don't see one |
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| 18:09.36 | shaman | the only problem I can see is time spent on dolpin that could be spent better |
| 18:09.36 | appelza | yeah, keep konq ;) I only use dolphin because its what I want for a file manager, not everyone is me though |
| 18:09.57 | shaman | but then notice I didn't say that the time was wasted... because some people want something like dolphin |
| 18:09.59 | shaman | just not me :) |
| 18:10.08 | aseigo | shaman: spent better on what? |
| 18:10.18 | shaman | something else that needs attention |
| 18:10.25 | aseigo | shaman: seeing as both konqueror and dolphin are bennifiting from that work |
| 18:10.28 | shaman | such as the koffice project in general |
| 18:10.30 | aseigo | shaman: this is something that needs attention |
| 18:10.33 | shaman | well then |
| 18:10.46 | aseigo | shaman: moreover, peter penz was already working on dolphin. dfaure was already working on the model/view lists |
| 18:10.55 | shaman | while I don't see a need for it, I'm not arguing that either in any way |
| 18:11.09 | aseigo | shaman: it's not like we pulled people off of koffice, it's arranging efforts so that things come out the best given those efforts |
| 18:11.39 | shaman | fair enough, of course I don't know the internal workings of the kde teams as well as you would |
| 18:11.48 | shaman | good |
| 18:11.51 | aseigo | we have a couple of people working nearly full time on it atm.. which is cool |
| 18:12.17 | shaman | I have used KDE almost exclusively as well as KOffice for a number of years (except to load Dawn of War but that's another story) |
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| 18:12.50 | shaman | The one and only thing that I need is better text dialogs from KDE in my normal day |
| 18:13.09 | shaman | having bad font representations in koffice is quite limiting |
| 18:13.23 | shaman | other than that, it could be KDE3 for me for years, I'd be happy enough |
| 18:13.40 | shaman | I do appreciate the KDE4 technologies, mind |
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| 18:15.15 | ExElNeT | is it possible to make konsole borderless? i have still a white border |
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| 18:15.44 | aseigo | ExElNeT: not in kde3 unfortunately. we're working on it for kde4 (relates to themability of the tabwidget) |
| 18:17.01 | ExElNeT | ok ... ;/ coz setting up eterm to use a decent font is annoying |
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| 18:19.42 | Dr_willis | but with eterm ya get such lovely backgrounds! |
| 18:19.53 | ExElNeT | another thing im looking for is: where can i tell krusader and kopnqueror to use my thumb mouse buttons as back and forward? |
| 18:20.08 | ExElNeT | Dr_willis: well my wallpaper is enough :=) |
| 18:20.51 | Dr_willis | ExElNeT, i saw some very detailed info on that mouse/button/back stuff on the gentoo wiki's |
| 18:22.15 | ExElNeT | Dr_willis: well io could map those buttons to f13-f20 ... but thats a dirty workaround ... |
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| 18:23.05 | Dr_willis | life is a dirty workaround |
| 18:23.06 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 18:23.19 | Dr_willis | only thing i use those buttons fore is medpacks and grenades in RTCW:ET |
| 18:23.21 | Dr_willis | :) |
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| 18:25.21 | kolla | anyone know a tool for mounting and umounting disk images on the desktop in KDE? |
| 18:25.45 | kolla | preferably in userland... |
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| 18:26.05 | kolla | that is.. kio-slave for diskimages... hm |
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| 18:27.48 | wolsni | kolla: krusader can view contents of .iso images |
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| 18:27.58 | Dr_willis | well.. ya could use fuse. :) but thats not exactly what you asked for... |
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| 18:28.42 | kolla | well, it's not iso... it's "any given supported filesystem" and also encrypted image |
| 18:28.42 | alban__ | hi all |
| 18:29.22 | kolla | I guess there has to be a kio-slave for each filesystem |
| 18:29.28 | alban__ | is there a specific channel for kdepim ? |
| 18:29.41 | alban__ | I'd like some infos regarding libkcal |
| 18:30.10 | PhilRod | #kontact or #kdepim, if they exist, I think |
| 18:30.39 | alban__ | i tried #kdepim, it's empty |
| 18:30.48 | alban__ | let me try #kontact |
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| 18:31.07 | alban__ | ah, seems better, thanks 1 |
| 18:33.05 | kolla | there's kio-mac to read HDS+ partitions... I guess that can be used - just need to use HFS+ images :) |
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| 18:48.29 | ErenTurkay | hi all |
| 18:48.33 | ErenTurkay | i have a problem about my mp3 player |
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| 18:48.47 | sredna | ~ask |
| 18:48.49 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. |
| 18:49.01 | ErenTurkay | sredna, i'm just asking, |
| 18:49.02 | ErenTurkay | :) |
| 18:49.16 | ErenTurkay | it's 1Gb and i can't copy over 620Mb |
| 18:49.22 | ErenTurkay | *with konqueror* |
| 18:49.26 | ErenTurkay | but in console, i can copy |
| 18:49.38 | ErenTurkay | some size calculation bug? |
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| 18:53.40 | ErenTurkay | any idea? |
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| 18:57.59 | kolla | what does it say? |
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| 19:01.41 | orogor | hi here |
| 19:01.59 | orogor | anyone knows how to tell kde to remember folder's views ? |
| 19:02.15 | orogor | errr; konqueror |
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| 19:02.36 | orogor | like zoom level and list or icon view |
| 19:03.09 | sredna | orogor: view->store view properties in directory i think |
| 19:04.31 | sredna | man, if you want to see horror UIs, buy a nokia phone |
| 19:04.56 | MinceR | that's hardly horror |
| 19:05.04 | MinceR | especially compared to what siemens does. |
| 19:07.49 | orogor | sredna, i dont think i have this setting |
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| 19:16.36 | sredna | MinceR: i never had a siemens, but on the nokia, sometimes the biggest button on the device does nothing, and often it doesn't do what i am likly to want the most (like call up) |
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| 19:16.54 | rohan | in konqueror, in settings -> web behaviour, i have set "Open popups in new tabs instead of new window" .. but how do i set that when i _middle click_ on a link, open it in a new tab ? |
| 19:18.02 | muh2000 | how can i have mouse button 4 and 5 as forward and back for navigation in the browser/filemanager |
| 19:18.09 | annma | <cough> sredna |
| 19:18.16 | annma | mayeb the wife can be good |
| 19:18.24 | annma | maybe |
| 19:18.41 | sredna | annma: sorry, i didn't mean to insult women in general |
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| 19:19.19 | ToyMan | hi all |
| 19:19.21 | sredna | rohan: "open links in new tab instead of new window" |
| 19:20.05 | ToyMan | can anyone jog my memory? There's a kde app that's the equivalent of the OS X 'show all windows' thing, but I can't remember the name of the app |
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| 19:20.27 | wolsni | ToyMan: I suspect you mean kompose |
| 19:20.38 | rohan | sredna: thanks .. that was obvious .. |
| 19:20.41 | ToyMan | wolsni: ah, thanks... |
| 19:20.58 | sredna | :) |
| 19:21.41 | SSJ_GZ | kwin_composite will likely have this functionality built in by default for KDE4 |
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| 19:21.49 | SSJ_GZ | hardware-accelerated, of course :) |
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| 19:25.47 | sputnick | hi there! |
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| 19:28.23 | graft | yargh... amarok broken! |
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| 19:29.10 | sputnick | can someone tell me how set konqueror to use "list" by default & not icons ? I run kde3.5 on kubuntu edgy... |
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| 19:29.48 | sputnick | graft, same think @ home |
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| 19:32.07 | sinthetek | is this the an official kde channel? |
| 19:32.10 | sinthetek | i have a suggestion |
| 19:32.19 | sinthetek | should i just email it or something? |
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| 19:33.12 | sinthetek | i was thinking konqueror should prompt you for a login when navigating/browsing local files and you come across a locked folder/file |
| 19:33.17 | sinthetek | </suggestion> |
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| 19:35.08 | sredna | sputnick: select the view you want, and save your profile |
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| 19:35.32 | MinceR | sredna: mine didn't have such issues |
| 19:36.26 | MinceR | sredna: anyway, which phone ui do you prefer? |
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| 19:36.53 | sredna | MinceR: i havent yet seen one that works, althoug some are smarter than mine. but they all for example doesn't get rid of the text of a sent sms, it's like posting a letter, and when you look you still hold it |
| 19:37.04 | MinceR | :) |
| 19:37.18 | sputnick | sredna, I already do this think. but sometimes the icons come back. can't find the issue... |
| 19:37.35 | sredna | MinceR: i bought the nokia in the hope it would be better than the sony ericsson i had before, but that is oppersite by far |
| 19:37.35 | rohan | hi .. i am using kmixer + kmilo on a laptop having intel HDA audio system... the volume keys work perfectly. however, the mute key is not working. the reason is that i have selected master channel as PCM, but PCM does not have a mute option, atleast in kmixer. how do i get about this issue ? |
| 19:37.57 | sredna | sputnick: maybe you saved directory properties? |
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| 19:38.04 | MinceR | i think i tried a sony ericsson once and it was horrible -- it never said what the soft keys did |
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| 19:38.50 | MinceR | and the end call and C buttons had opposite functions in the menu of what they should have |
| 19:38.55 | sputnick | sredna, no I don't |
| 19:39.22 | sredna | MinceR: i'm yet to find a well designed mobile phone |
| 19:39.34 | graft | why is that, anyway? |
| 19:39.44 | sredna | but being poor, i of course never try the newer ones |
| 19:39.45 | graft | it would seem, on the face of it, incredibly easy to design a good phone |
| 19:39.55 | MinceR | i got a pda/phone instead :) |
| 19:40.17 | MinceR | (a qtek 9100, also known as htc wizard) |
| 19:40.41 | graft | i've also never understood why phones insist on running jvms |
| 19:40.50 | sredna | MinceR: can you sync it using KDE? |
| 19:40.58 | MinceR | haven't got around to setting it up yet |
| 19:41.16 | MinceR | i'll have to replace my rndis_host (or whatever it's called) driver to make it work, apparently |
| 19:41.36 | MinceR | or maybe i'll just get a wifi dongle and sync through that |
| 19:41.37 | sputnick | try kmobiletools for mobiles |
| 19:42.13 | sputnick | MinceR . |
| 19:42.21 | MinceR | sputnick . |
| 19:42.43 | sputnick | <sputnick> try kmobiletools for mobiles |
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| 19:43.22 | MinceR | checking. |
| 19:43.41 | graft | do most bluetooth dongles work okay with lunix? |
| 19:43.54 | graft | my lappy 486 doesn't have bluetooth |
| 19:44.04 | sputnick | better than usb I think |
| 19:44.10 | tsb | Is it possible to get konq to cycle tabs in a MRU (Most Recently Used) order? Like in Opera.. |
| 19:44.18 | sputnick | (for mobiles) |
| 19:44.19 | graft | better than usb? |
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| 19:45.29 | [algo] | How to show a panel on hotkey ? |
| 19:45.30 | MinceR | sputnick: does it sync with windoze mobile 5? |
| 19:46.04 | sputnick | don't know what are you taking about "mobile 5" |
| 19:46.16 | sputnick | s/taking/talking |
| 19:46.27 | sredna | is there even a way to cycle through konqueror tabs? |
| 19:46.31 | graft | [algo]: huh? |
| 19:47.10 | [algo] | I want a left panel to show when I press Win+ -> |
| 19:47.21 | graft | [algo]: if you mean bind a hotkey to getting the panel to un-hide... don't think you can do it, there's no dcop binding for it |
| 19:47.42 | [algo] | so I can't make such thing through dcop |
| 19:47.44 | [algo] | I see |
| 19:48.02 | PhilRod | sredna: Ctrl+[ for normal cycling, but I don't know of a way to do what tsb wants |
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| 19:48.29 | sredna | ctrl + [ is about untypable on my keyboard |
| 19:48.45 | [algo] | graft: where can I find dcop bindings for panel ? |
| 19:48.58 | [algo] | dcop kicker <what> |
| 19:49.00 | [algo] | maybe docs ? |
| 19:49.04 | MinceR | sputnick: because that's what my pda/phone is running? |
| 19:49.06 | PhilRod | sredna: Ctrl+. and Ctrl+, work too, I think |
| 19:49.13 | PhilRod | ~dcoptut |
| 19:49.15 | apt | Information on getting started with DCOP: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/36/KDE_Scripting_DCOP.pdf and http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/scripting-the-desktop.html |
| 19:49.17 | tsb | sredna: I have it set up on ctrl+(shift+)tab.. it cycles it in a stupid left-to-right way though |
| 19:49.19 | sredna | PhilRod: better |
| 19:49.19 | graft | [algo]: dcop kicker <name of your panel> usually |
| 19:49.20 | PhilRod | [algo]: ^^^ |
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| 19:49.44 | [algo] | where do I set the name |
| 19:49.56 | [algo] | I have ChildPanel_13597... |
| 19:50.07 | [algo] | can I set this name somewhere ? |
| 19:50.15 | graft | nope, i think kde sets it |
| 19:50.20 | graft | though i dunno |
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| 19:50.44 | PhilRod | bbl |
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| 19:51.42 | [algo] | is there a tool to make panel-like thing show-hide ? |
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| 19:51.49 | sputnick | MinceR, if you think the trick is too hard, try install *.exe in vmware. rocks @ home. I use a sony-ericsson w810i in vmware & MyPhoneExplorer.exe |
| 19:51.50 | graft | the mouse? |
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| 19:51.56 | [algo] | using hotkeys |
| 19:51.58 | [algo] | I don't like mouse |
| 19:52.01 | [algo] | keyboard guy |
| 19:52.11 | [algo] | also notebook is lighter w/o mouse |
| 19:52.13 | graft | what do you want with the panel, then? |
| 19:52.19 | [algo] | choose programs |
| 19:52.21 | gcbirzan | How can I get Konqueror not to display stuff on the root window, desktop style (icons and things), so that I can get the WM to handle that? |
| 19:52.35 | [algo] | I can't bind hotkeys to <everything> |
| 19:52.40 | [algo] | so I'd like to bind hotkey to panel |
| 19:52.46 | [algo] | or something like panel |
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| 19:52.53 | [algo] | e.g a pad in the center of screen |
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| 19:54.18 | graft | [algo]: um, kommando, maybe? |
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| 19:55.06 | graft | or katapult, even |
| 19:56.00 | graft | fuckin a |
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| 19:56.17 | graft | when i disable 'automatic preview', that means i DON'T want you to pop up a stupid kmplayer window |
| 19:56.22 | graft | makes no sense |
| 19:56.35 | graft | and, crashy |
| 19:56.50 | graft | how do i turn off this automatic preview thingy? |
| 19:57.22 | graft | nm |
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| 19:58.15 | [algo] | I found katapult |
| 19:58.18 | [algo] | yea |
| 19:58.19 | [algo] | trying it |
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| 20:03.21 | shadok | is there a chance to see kde 3.5.7 in less than, say... two months ? (i have to compiel again all kde so i'd prefer not having to do it twice in a row) |
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| 20:04.35 | shadok | i'm not asking about a release date but rather at a non release delay ^^ |
| 20:04.59 | Alex71 | hello all, I am trying to make the EURO char appear in KDE...In a mini-howto mentions changing the enconding in kcontrol/font...is that obsolete, cause I can't seem t find the encoding setting... |
| 20:05.28 | shadok | latin9 or utf-8 as your locales should be fine |
| 20:05.58 | Alex71 | shadok: the problem is that I have ISO8859-7 (since I am greek) |
| 20:06.15 | shadok | what does that corresponds to ? latin1 ? |
| 20:06.22 | shadok | -15 is latin9 iirc |
| 20:07.02 | Alex71 | shadok: Hmm, and how do I go about it? where do I set that? |
| 20:07.04 | shadok | afaik only utf-8 and ISO8859-15 supports the € symbol |
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| 20:07.14 | shadok | what's you distro ? |
| 20:07.20 | Alex71 | fedora 6 |
| 20:07.34 | Alex71 | //etc/systemconfig/i18n? |
| 20:07.36 | sredna | € |
| 20:07.41 | shadok | setting the locales in ISO8859-15 or utf-8 will do the trick i guess |
| 20:08.04 | Alex71 | but wouldnt't I loose my "greek" support? |
| 20:08.08 | sredna | Alex71: use utf8 maybe |
| 20:08.09 | Alex71 | (not with utf8) |
| 20:08.09 | shadok | you could ask on your distro's specific channel, i'm not used to fc/rh |
| 20:08.26 | Alex71 | sredna: I am trying to avoid utf8 |
| 20:08.27 | shadok | ahhh "greek" i read "geek" ^^ |
| 20:08.31 | shadok | haha |
| 20:08.35 | sredna | why? |
| 20:08.36 | Alex71 | hahhah |
| 20:08.48 | Alex71 | sredna: mp3 infotags for one ;-) |
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| 20:09.10 | sredna | use ogg ;) |
| 20:09.21 | shadok | utf-8 must supports greek i suppose, am i wrong ? |
| 20:09.31 | shadok | *support |
| 20:09.38 | Alex71 | shadok: It does...It's just me trying to work arround utf8 |
| 20:09.54 | Alex71 | shadok: I prefer iso8859-7 as an encoding |
| 20:10.00 | shadok | hmm sorry so, ISO8859-15 is for western european |
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| 20:11.11 | Alex71 | secondary (related) question |
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| 20:11.22 | vipernicus | what do i need for arts support on gaim? |
| 20:11.43 | Alex71 | in windows you can do alt+numpadkeys to enter unicode code...anyway to do something similar in linux? |
| 20:12.35 | icet | Hi, I'm having a problem autostarting ktorrent with kdocker. I get a "kinit could not louch kdocker" message. Any pointers to solve this problem? |
| 20:12.47 | sredna | Alex71: i don't know about iso8859-7, but for iso8859-1 we have iso8859-15 containing the € character |
| 20:12.47 | icet | louch = launch :-) |
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| 20:13.12 | Alex71 | sredna: thanks anyways :-) |
| 20:14.11 | shadok | you can have a look on that too Alex71 http://h30097.www3.hp.com/unix/i18n.htm |
| 20:14.40 | Alex71 | shadok: thanks |
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| 20:14.50 | shadok | np |
| 20:14.55 | mirak | hello |
| 20:15.31 | mirak | what are the features of kde 4? |
| 20:15.37 | mirak | is there any sceenshots N |
| 20:15.38 | mirak | ? |
| 20:15.39 | pinotree | no |
| 20:16.34 | mirak | any plan of a konqueror in 3D or something ? |
| 20:16.49 | sredna | kde is as good as microsoft when it comes to vaporware :o |
| 20:17.17 | mirak | I prefer gnome anyway |
| 20:17.30 | bram85 | http://www.behindkde.org/people/johnflux/ |
| 20:17.31 | mirak | but I hate the lack of some feautres |
| 20:17.36 | bram85 | ^^ kde4 splash + ksysguard |
| 20:17.42 | mirak | like springloaded folders |
| 20:18.11 | mirak | does konqueror have picture thumbnails ? |
| 20:18.48 | shadok | haha "I plan to slip out quietly at night to do coding. If I meet any of you while I'm with her, you all have to pretend that it's a complete coincidence that you're here as well, and you just wanted a holiday too." |
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| 20:19.25 | sredna | mirak: yes |
| 20:20.12 | mirak | why does kde lacks so much of relief ? |
| 20:20.25 | mirak | in fact I think that's the main thing I dislike in it's looks |
| 20:20.32 | mirak | it's flat |
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| 20:21.10 | sredna | mirak: just select a not-so-flat widget style |
| 20:21.36 | mirak | sredna: there are tons and I don't feel it change the flateness |
| 20:21.57 | mirak | for exemple the scroll bars are flat bars |
| 20:22.04 | mirak | they could be a bit more cylindric |
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| 20:22.53 | mirak | flat is flat |
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| 20:23.00 | shadok | mirak: http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3584/screenshotqv4.png |
| 20:23.15 | shadok | certainly too flat for you but... |
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| 20:23.52 | shadok | i especially love that kicker's background |
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| 20:24.29 | mirak | not bad but still flat and to uniform |
| 20:24.38 | sredna | mirak: some of the styles are configurable, and allows you to change stuff |
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| 20:25.17 | mirak | flat uniform and angular |
| 20:25.20 | mirak | and cold |
| 20:25.37 | mirak | I feel I am in a clinic or something |
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| 20:26.20 | mirak | I think asceptised is the word |
| 20:27.26 | shadok | i'd said clean ^^ |
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| 20:28.41 | shadok | color schemes can do a lot in this domain i think |
| 20:30.43 | logixoul | in konq 3.5.6's statusbar there's a checkbox on the right. i've no idea what it does or when it appeared. so, what is it? |
| 20:31.02 | logixoul | it has no tooltip and checking it doesn't have any apparent effect |
| 20:31.12 | logixoul | it's on the left of the feed icon |
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| 20:31.43 | rjdave | anyone familiar with kompare? |
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| 20:32.18 | sredna | logixoul: it has been there since forever. if you click it, you bind views togeather |
| 20:32.33 | sredna | rjdave: i used it quite a bit |
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| 20:33.55 | rjdave | sredna: how can I make the diff exclude all .svn directories? |
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| 20:34.11 | rjdave | sredna: I can't seem to get the exclude tab to do what I want |
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| 20:34.53 | Wulong | How can I know if I push yes or no in `kdialog --yesno`? from CLI |
| 20:34.57 | kitto | 07 CHK the new version of C99 SHELL with SAFE MODE bypass WORK test there +++>>> !!!PRIVATE!!! http://www.dachkomplett.at/images/start/c99.c? !!!PRIVATE!!! <<<+++ MOROCCO RULEZ |
| 20:35.01 | sredna | rjdave: that i dont' know |
| 20:35.08 | logixoul | pinotree: ping |
| 20:35.08 | sredna | someone kick that person |
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| 20:35.46 | pinotree | logixoul: yes? |
| 20:35.57 | logixoul | pinotree: spam, that's it :) |
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| 20:36.16 | EvilGuru | hmmm... what the hell was he on? Sending a link to a PHP file, I don't know |
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| 20:36.37 | pinotree | EvilGuru: the "morocco rules" is not php, is it? |
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| 20:37.24 | EvilGuru | pinotree: not sure, it was just the link he pasted appeared to me to be a PHP file, not sure what the morocco rulez was all about, nevermind |
| 20:37.25 | logixoul | Wulong: you need to check the errorcode i think. i don't know how. |
| 20:37.28 | sredna | rjdave: i usually use svn diff and pipes the output into kompare, and then gets frustrated over it not being able to saveanything when used like that... |
| 20:37.54 | shaman | well now... that's an interesting link |
| 20:38.04 | Wulong | logixoul: what error code? |
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| 20:39.24 | logixoul | Wulong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_code |
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| 20:41.17 | logixoul | sredna: how exactly are the views "bound"? i split the window, opened diff pages in the views and checked this thing, to no effect? |
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| 20:42.21 | sredna | logixoul: press shift+f1 and click it ;) |
| 20:42.49 | logixoul | hah, i would never have figured that :) |
| 20:43.00 | sredna | logixoul: it is meant for haveing two different views of the same directory, and when one changes, the other follows |
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| 20:44.00 | logixoul | yes |
| 20:44.01 | logixoul | thanks |
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| 20:47.40 | sredna | sigh |
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| 20:47.51 | sredna | you need more karma ;) |
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| 20:49.11 | logixoul | yep |
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| 20:53.14 | Wulong | logixoul: found out, it was $? |
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| 20:55.14 | RedsH | hello everybody, i am a developer of KSudoku. We are releasing version 0.4 right now and then we will begin to work for porting to KDE4 in order to join kdegames module. Do you think we should move from sourceforge svn to KDE svn? |
| 20:56.59 | sredna | RedsH: if you want to join the kdegames module, you definately should |
| 20:58.57 | RedsH | ok so we write to kde svn sysadmins to get accounts..thanks |
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| 21:00.20 | debrac | Hello |
| 21:01.33 | sredna | hi |
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| 21:04.29 | LinuxMafia | hi all |
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| 21:05.02 | LinuxMafia | how can i stop this fucking thing that lock the keyboard when you press a key for a while |
| 21:05.42 | SimAtWork | you can start by watching your lanaguage |
| 21:06.01 | LinuxMafia | SimAtWork, sorry i got mad |
| 21:06.09 | SimAtWork | understandable |
| 21:06.10 | Renze | LinuxMafia: kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> accessibility... turn everything off, especially activation gestures |
| 21:06.23 | LinuxMafia | SimAtWork, i was in middle of work |
| 21:06.36 | LinuxMafia | Renze, thanks alot |
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| 21:07.07 | LinuxMafia | thanks guys |
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| 21:08.55 | LinuxMafia | thanks |
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| 21:13.33 | Renze | ditto |
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| 21:13.58 | sredna | the polyester style is *very* nice |
| 21:14.32 | sredna | it offers a clear, simple and yet well defined user interface |
| 21:14.34 | Sho_ | Too shiny |
| 21:14.38 | UnNaturalHigh | does anyone know if there is a program like gtk-chtheme but for QT? |
| 21:14.45 | sredna | Sho_: ?! |
| 21:15.04 | Sho_ | sredna: Polyester is a Plastik derivative with more shiny, that's the point |
| 21:15.13 | Renze | UnNaturalHigh: qtconfig ? |
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| 21:15.46 | Pete-J | Hello, do anyone know any tool that can convert GTK themes to QT? |
| 21:16.00 | Renze | Pete-J: no such animal exists |
| 21:16.03 | SimAtWork | nope |
| 21:16.12 | Pete-J | Renze: animal!? |
| 21:16.21 | Renze | Pete-J: it is slang |
| 21:16.35 | Pete-J | Renze: slang for what? |
| 21:16.49 | Sho_ | Pete-J: There is no such tool |
| 21:16.56 | Renze | sorry, I don't give english slang lessons |
| 21:17.03 | SimAtWork | tool |
| 21:17.05 | Pete-J | okay so animal is a slang for tool? |
| 21:17.06 | SimAtWork | :) |
| 21:17.19 | Renze | it can mean many things |
| 21:17.21 | Pete-J | Well my english teacher must have been the worst ive ever had |
| 21:17.33 | Renze | english teachers don't teach slang |
| 21:17.35 | sredna | Sho_: it can be flattened and completely simplified, e.g. no statusbar borders etc |
| 21:18.07 | UnNaturalHigh | Renze, that doesn't seem to allow me to change the kde theme? |
| 21:18.22 | Renze | UnNaturalHigh: you asked for a tool for Qt, not for KDE |
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| 21:18.36 | Renze | UnNaturalHigh: for KDE, there is kcontrol |
| 21:19.04 | Sho_ | (and for the record, it's "Qt", not "QT") |
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| 21:19.41 | UnNaturalHigh | Renze, the thing is I only use amarok/kdevelop on my laptop and do not wish to add anything else |
| 21:19.46 | SimAtWork | it's jsut Qute. |
| 21:20.27 | sredna | Sho_: http://83.73.148.46:8001/polyesterdesktop.png |
| 21:21.04 | Sho_ | too flat :) |
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| 21:21.23 | sredna | and absolutely not shiny, imo :-) |
| 21:21.39 | Sho_ | The flattening options were probably added after I last tried it |
| 21:21.46 | Sho_ | The initial point of Polyester was that glassy-shiny look |
| 21:21.48 | sredna | yes |
| 21:21.53 | sredna | maye so :) |
| 21:22.17 | Sho_ | btw: Domino can be flattened too, and also does away with the pixely look of Plastik, which Polyester doesn't |
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| 21:22.40 | Renze | domino 0.4 ftw! |
| 21:22.52 | M0E-lnx | hi guys, is there anyway to build KDM, just by itself? |
| 21:23.00 | Sho_ | In fact a flattened down Domino would probably harmonize well with the icons in those shots |
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| 21:23.19 | sredna | you mean the corners? but domino has very rounded corners |
| 21:24.33 | sredna | hm, it's hard to get fonts really working nice |
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| 21:26.36 | Sho_ | sredna: http://www.eikehein.com/domino-flat.png |
| 21:27.31 | Sho_ | the button appearance can also be changed from raised to sunken, for a little more flatness than in that shot |
| 21:27.32 | GNU\colossus | is that screenshot supposed to show off a qt theme? |
| 21:27.54 | logixoul | Wulong: ok, good to know |
| 21:28.06 | Sho_ | GNU\colossus: yes |
| 21:28.08 | sredna | Sho_: better than not flat, imo :) |
| 21:28.18 | GNU\colossus | it does good at that. nice theme :) |
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| 21:28.49 | Sho_ | GNU\colossus: Usually looks less flat/crappy though: http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/42804-1.png http://www.eikehein.com/domino1.png http://www.eikehein.com/domino2.png http://www.eikehein.com/domino3.png http://www.eikehein.com/domino4.png http://www.eikehein.com/konq-domino.png |
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| 21:40.19 | Solak | re. |
| 21:41.33 | pherthyl | does anyone know what the three state checkbox for font antialiasing does in KDE 3.5.6? I vaguely recall this used to be just a two state |
| 21:41.59 | Sho_ | pherthyl: The third state is a "do nothing" as not to upset what's currently set in the session |
| 21:42.19 | Sho_ | pherthyl: Previously it would always write out its prefs, possibly upsetting coexistence with things like gnome-settings-daemon |
| 21:42.23 | pherthyl | Sho_: ah, thank you.. better not mess with it then |
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| 21:43.39 | Sho_ | pherthyl: http://rafb.net/p/dxU9JN70.html |
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| 21:44.29 | Schuenemann | hi, how can I set Ark to use unrar-free instead of unrar? |
| 21:44.33 | pherthyl | cool |
| 21:46.29 | Solak | hmm, without aliasing the fonts look thin and as if pixels are missing, with aliasing the fonts a foggy. |
| 21:46.54 | Solak | any idea what I could do about that? Are there additional fonts I can install? |
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| 21:47.27 | pherthyl | Solak: yeah I always had that problem in Kubuntu.. now in debian they look fine, so I resolve not to touch them.. I never could figure out how to get nice fonts by messing with settings |
| 21:47.58 | Solak | pherthyl: I run Debian (Testing). On Debian stable they were just fine, but now... |
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| 21:49.08 | Solak | pherthyl: clean 10 and lucida 8 look best so far.. |
| 21:49.30 | pherthyl | Solak: yeah sorry, can't really help you as I've never figured it out myself. |
| 21:49.41 | benJIman | Solak: you need to enable the bytecode interpreter, as in #yourdistro how todo that |
| 21:49.51 | pherthyl | Solak: one thing to try is to set your DisplaySize setting in your xorg.conf |
| 21:49.54 | Sho_ | depends on the fonts used |
| 21:49.55 | pawdro | hi, whenever I start konsole and want to change colors or something in configuration - I can't. In log I have: WARNING: Unable to use /opt/kde/share/apps/konsole/screen.desktop. Did anyone have such a problem? |
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| 21:50.10 | Sho_ | with nearly all fonts except the ms corefonts, the autohinter does a better job |
| 21:50.15 | benJIman | Indeed |
| 21:50.24 | benJIman | But with MS fonts bytecode interpreter looks far better |
| 21:50.29 | Solak | Sho_: autohinter? |
| 21:50.41 | Sho_ | Solak: Rather than the bytecode interpreter |
| 21:50.42 | benJIman | and you can set up a rule to have the autohinter work on non-ms fonts and use bytecode interpreter for all others |
| 21:50.56 | benJIman | suse does this by default, and there's a sysconfig variable for configuring it, not sure about other distros |
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| 21:51.14 | Solak | hmm, I'll ask on #debian... thanks. |
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| 22:00.10 | shaman- | i'm impressed with how fast wine runs my winderz apps |
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| 22:05.53 | linux_stu | i have a question, after a while, my screensaver freezes. is there any way to change that so that it doesn't happen? |
| 22:08.41 | peppe | sure: don't use a screensaver |
| 22:08.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | linux_stu: It might be a driver issue |
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| 22:09.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | linux_stu: If it happens, try to switch TTY if you can |
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| 22:09.52 | wolsni | linux_stu: you could switch to a different screensaver and hope it doesn't have the same problem |
| 22:09.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | And see if you can somehow manually start the screensaver in gdb so you can maybe see what went wrong |
| 22:11.16 | linux_stu | i think i saw what the problem was |
| 22:11.21 | linux_stu | power management for my display |
| 22:11.40 | linux_stu | it was set to suspend after a certain period of time |
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| 22:16.42 | zce | isnt it possible to disable tooltips on taskbar? i disabled on KControl > Desktop > Panels > Appearance, but it is still showing after about 3 seconds (im using beryl, thats why i want to disable it) |
| 22:17.42 | wolsni | zce: I think you want to disable icon mouseover effects |
| 22:18.14 | zce | wolferine, no, the tooltips, mouseover effects are also disabled |
| 22:18.26 | zce | actually, both are, but tooltips still appears |
| 22:18.48 | wolsni | zce: maybe you need to run 'dcop kicker kicker restart' for the settings to take effect? |
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| 22:19.15 | aseigo | it should take effect as soon as you click ok in the control panel |
| 22:19.16 | zce | oh, just needed a restart, thanks |
| 22:19.34 | wolsni | hm, doesn't need a restart here |
| 22:19.44 | wolsni | oh well, if it works it works |
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| 22:21.24 | Digit0 | Hi |
| 22:21.31 | Digit0 | how can I install flash player 9 in konqueror ? |
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| 22:22.13 | wolsni | Digit0: same way you install it in firefox; make sure you go into the konqueror settings and rescan plugins afterwards |
| 22:23.13 | Digit0 | wolsni:I have installed it in firefox |
| 22:23.13 | Richips | In KDevelop, How To link my app against an external lib? |
| 22:23.24 | Digit0 | and I have the path /usr/lib/firefox/plugins for scanning |
| 22:23.36 | wolsni | Digit0: then go into konqueror, settings->configure konqueror-> plugins |
| 22:23.46 | Digit0 | yeah |
| 22:23.48 | wolsni | and click the button labelled 'scan for new plugins' |
| 22:24.13 | Digit0 | I have done it |
| 22:24.15 | Digit0 | that's all ? |
| 22:24.17 | wolsni | Digit0: you scanned and the flash plugin isn't listed on the plugins tab? |
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| 22:24.40 | Digit0 | MIME type |
| 22:24.43 | wolsni | Digit0: that should be enough; you shouldn't even need to restart konqueror |
| 22:24.53 | Digit0 | application/x-shockwave-flash |
| 22:25.02 | Digit0 | that's it ? |
| 22:25.13 | shardz | Hi. I've got two monitors hooked up to my ATi Radeon X550. Is it possible to setup a dual monitor config? Right now I can't find anyway in the control center to do so |
| 22:25.34 | SimAtWork | you can |
| 22:25.36 | wolsni | Digit0: go to a page with flash like http://homestarrunner.com and test it out |
| 22:25.41 | SimAtWork | but not through control center |
| 22:25.48 | Digit0 | Im in metacafe.com |
| 22:25.52 | Digit0 | and it doesn't work |
| 22:25.52 | SimAtWork | shardz: you need to use the ati drivers and the ati config problem will config everything for you. |
| 22:26.08 | shardz | SimAtWork: It's knoppix-- heh |
| 22:26.25 | Richips | In KDevelop, How To link my app against an external lib? |
| 22:26.32 | Digit0 | http://homestarrunner.com is flash 9 ? |
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| 22:26.44 | SimAtWork | shardz: don't know if you can do it in knoppix |
| 22:26.50 | shardz | SimAtWork: ok |
| 22:26.53 | wolsni | Digit0: homestarrunner didn't require flash 9 last I checked |
| 22:26.57 | shardz | but KDE can't set it up? |
| 22:27.40 | Digit0 | I have installed flash 7 |
| 22:27.50 | Digit0 | with konqueror itself |
| 22:28.22 | wolsni | Digit0: why don't you visit whatever site it was that you needed flash 9 for in the first place? |
| 22:28.39 | Digit0 | metacafe.com |
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| 22:29.03 | Digit0 | it says "This video content requires a flash player upgrade" |
| 22:29.59 | wolsni | well, good luck with that, i've got to go |
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| 22:43.55 | [algo] | can I somehow make Desktop point to home ? |
| 22:44.06 | [algo] | so that home contents = Desktop contents |
| 22:44.19 | [algo] | should I make "Desktop" a symlink for that ? |
| 22:44.35 | unity | Richips: #kdevelop ? |
| 22:44.55 | Richips | Sorry, haven't see the channel |
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| 22:49.14 | unity | no prob |
| 22:49.26 | matias | how do i change dictionaries in kdict? server -> edit db set and moving dictionary to selected db, is not working |
| 22:51.33 | JohnFlux_ | bram85: ;-D |
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| 22:52.58 | matias | i'm doing something wrong, i always get same dicts (never used kdict before) |
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| 22:53.55 | matias | going to kdict documentation was helpless |
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| 22:58.37 | bobbin | I'm trying to figure how to customize some Konqueror menus. If anyone has time, please respond on http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=customkonqmenu |
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| 23:01.52 | ehab | hi all |
| 23:02.02 | PhilRod | hi ehab |
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| 23:02.18 | ehab | can u help me plz? |
| 23:03.23 | ehab | when i login gaim >>> tell me has been disconnected.....unable to connect. |
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| 23:04.29 | lavigne | anyone have any experiece debugging .menu xml files? |
| 23:04.43 | matias | wrong channel...gaim is a gtkish app |
| 23:05.14 | ehab | ? |
| 23:05.30 | matias | a gnome app |
| 23:05.42 | ehab | ok can u put the link plz? |
| 23:05.59 | matias | #gnome |
| 23:06.05 | ehab | thanks |
| 23:06.16 | matias | and try kopete |
| 23:06.24 | lavigne | matias: lol |
| 23:06.30 | lavigne | perfect solution |
| 23:06.42 | matias | yes...lol |
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| 23:09.25 | guest86 | Hi. Any ideas why Konqueror as a webbrowser (not firefox and not other protocols) takes a looong time to connect on a local webserve when there's no Internet connection? |
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| 23:15.14 | GNU\colossus | guest86: using DNS or IP? |
| 23:15.37 | guest86 | GNU\colossus, both. (host in /etc/hosts and ip) |
| 23:15.48 | GNU\colossus | awkward... |
| 23:15.53 | GNU\colossus | may want to try stracing it |
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| 23:16.12 | guest86 | how is it done in konqueror? |
| 23:16.25 | Perquisitore | konqueror says that the operation only is abalaible if HAL is up |
| 23:16.31 | Perquisitore | but HAL is UP?! |
| 23:16.42 | Perquisitore | I don't understand |
| 23:17.13 | GNU\colossus | Perquisitore: HAL maintains a ruleset of permissions, I've had KDE complain once about HAL not being started |
| 23:17.31 | GNU\colossus | turned out that my permissions for some storage-device-pmount-thingie wasnä#t set up correctly |
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| 23:17.43 | GNU\colossus | guest86: strace is a syscall tracer for CLI |
| 23:17.45 | GNU\colossus | man strace |
| 23:18.12 | Renze | Perquisitore: is your user in all appropriate groups? |
| 23:18.20 | kristjan_ | is there an utility for kde that can extract iso other than kiso? |
| 23:18.37 | Perquisitore | Renze: what group I need ? |
| 23:18.50 | Perquisitore | ok ROOT runs OK |
| 23:18.55 | Perquisitore | but user no :( |
| 23:18.56 | Renze | Perquisitore: depends on your distro, but in gentoo it is plugdev and cdrom |
| 23:19.11 | GNU\colossus | kristjan_: what do you mean by "extract"? |
| 23:19.24 | Perquisitore | Renze: group hal ? |
| 23:19.27 | guest86 | GNU\colossus, thanks I'll check it out next time it happens. just a question before I follow the manual; will I be able to trace it in my normal binary package or it should be with those debug symbols enabled? |
| 23:19.28 | Renze | Perquisitore: no |
| 23:19.42 | Perquisitore | what is group hal ? |
| 23:19.43 | GNU\colossus | guest86: your stripped binaries will do just fine |
| 23:19.56 | guest86 | GNU\colossus, thanks ;) |
| 23:19.58 | kristjan_ | GNU\colossus: let's me view the iso contents without burning it |
| 23:20.11 | Renze | Perquisitore: that is a group specifically for hald |
| 23:20.14 | GNU\colossus | kristjan_: just mount it as a loopback device |
| 23:20.35 | GNU\colossus | mount -o ro,bind -t iso9660 /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mountpoint |
| 23:20.49 | Renze | you forgot -o loop |
| 23:20.53 | Perquisitore | group storage? |
| 23:20.55 | Perquisitore | I use archlinux |
| 23:20.56 | GNU\colossus | ah well |
| 23:20.57 | GNU\colossus | yeah |
| 23:21.04 | GNU\colossus | confused it with bind |
| 23:21.14 | Renze | Perquisitore: you might want to ask in your distro channel... they know your distro's groups better than I would |
| 23:21.16 | GNU\colossus | I've been bind-mounting a lot recently xD |
| 23:21.54 | kristjan_ | GNU\colossus: can I mount it in my home? |
| 23:21.54 | Renze | Perquisitore: but you could try finding out the groups of the device files... that might give you a clue |
| 23:22.08 | GNU\colossus | yeah kristjan_ |
| 23:22.13 | GNU\colossus | anywhere in your filesystem |
| 23:22.42 | kristjan_ | GNU\colossus: and then I have done viewing iso, can I delete the path or I have to unmount? |
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| 23:23.21 | GNU\colossus | you just unmount it |
| 23:23.44 | kristjan_ | GNU\colossus: what happens if I delete it instead? |
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| 23:26.47 | GNU\colossus | kristjan_: won't be possibly |
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| 23:31.11 | logixoul | any idea why the following doesn't change the intended file? |
| 23:31.13 | logixoul | sudo kwriteconfig --file `kde-config --prefix`/share/config/kopeterc --group "GroupWise Messenger" --key DefaultServer example.com |
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| 23:31.44 | shark-1 | hello |
| 23:31.49 | logixoul | hi |
| 23:31.53 | shark-1 | how can i get a round kicker |
| 23:32.01 | thiago | shark-1: by editing the source code |
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| 23:32.21 | SimAtWork | round? |
| 23:32.24 | shark-1 | is that the only way? |
| 23:32.25 | SimAtWork | that'd be rather frustrating to use |
| 23:32.32 | chavo | or you could make the kicker transparent and add a rounded image to the wallpaper |
| 23:32.40 | shark-1 | http://www.xfce-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/33744-1.jpg |
| 23:32.43 | SimAtWork | or you could get a rounded monitor |
| 23:32.47 | shark-1 | i want it like that |
| 23:33.05 | SimAtWork | oh |
| 23:33.07 | SimAtWork | rounded edges |
| 23:33.16 | shark-1 | yes |
| 23:33.18 | logixoul | shark-1: what chavo said |
| 23:33.47 | shark-1 | :\ |
| 23:33.52 | thiago | logixoul: strace that |
| 23:33.59 | thiago | logixoul: see where kwriteconfig is trying to write |
| 23:34.04 | shark-1 | kde should add that |
| 23:34.12 | logixoul | shark-1: it will |
| 23:34.27 | shark-1 | when? |
| 23:34.28 | matias | reformulate my question .. is it possible to use kdict to translate, or it's only an english-english dictionary? |
| 23:34.42 | logixoul | shark4: in kde 4.0 |
| 23:34.55 | logixoul | thiago: k, i'll try |
| 23:35.06 | shark-1 | ok |
| 23:35.06 | logixoul | shark-1: in kde 4.0 |
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| 23:36.57 | logixoul | thiago: ha, my bad. it's actually written all right. thx. |
| 23:37.33 | logixoul | thiago: now, could the same thing be achieved with a lighter syntax? |
| 23:37.43 | logixoul | just wondering. |
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| 23:38.26 | logixoul | matias: afaik it's possible |
| 23:38.34 | matias | seems that kdict is unpopular |
| 23:38.38 | logixoul | matias: you just need to add the right DICT servers i think |
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| 23:38.50 | logixoul | i haven't seen anybody use it |
| 23:38.57 | matias | i have dict.org.. the default one |
| 23:39.22 | thiago | logixoul: I don't how |
| 23:39.29 | thiago | logixoul: how lighter would you want that to be? |
| 23:39.54 | matias | i know there are a lot in the web, but when you have 20 tabs in the browser and you're translating a wiki it's usefull |
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| 23:40.49 | logixoul | thiago: well, i would expect something like sudo kwriteconfig --global --file kopeterc --group "group goes here" --key somekey somevalue |
| 23:40.57 | logixoul | thiago: but there's no --global option |
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| 23:41.17 | thiago | no one writes to the installation files |
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| 23:41.39 | logixoul | not even sysadmins? |
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| 23:42.04 | logixoul | thiago? |
| 23:42.22 | thiago | right |
| 23:42.40 | thiago | especially because an upgrate will overwrite all of the modifications |
| 23:42.43 | thiago | upgrade |
| 23:43.28 | logixoul | what do you think about the last tip in http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings then? |
| 23:44.11 | thiago | I'd say it's a bad tip |
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| 23:44.25 | logixoul | ok, thanks |
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| 23:44.42 | aseigo | logixoul: given $KDEDIRS, --global is only part of the picture really |
| 23:44.52 | thiago | admins who must set defaults simply create another level of config files, on top of the $KDEDIR defaults |
| 23:45.15 | aseigo | logixoul: what might be neat is a switch to put it into an interactive mode that would list all the files it might write it into and give you the option to select from them... |
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| 23:46.10 | logixoul | aseigo: that's pretty much what kconfigeditor does, isn't it? |
| 23:47.41 | logixoul | thiago: I don't get it, how would they do that? e.g. where would they place a default kopeterc? |
| 23:48.28 | thiago | in another dir that is in $KDEDIRS |
| 23:48.38 | logixoul | ah, I see |
| 23:48.41 | thiago | one that isn't `kde-config --prefix` |
| 23:48.48 | logixoul | yes |
| 23:49.08 | logixoul | btw is $KDEDIRS reliable? I don't even have that variable. |
| 23:49.19 | thiago | it is |
| 23:49.27 | aseigo | yes, if it isn't set then it's ignored.. |
| 23:49.50 | logixoul | ok |
| 23:49.51 | aseigo | kde-confg --path config |
| 23:50.46 | logixoul | ok |
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| 23:52.30 | lostson | konqueror renders pages so much faster than fireox its great |
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| 23:54.37 | guest86 | I don't know why but it's not always true for me. sometimes last.fm takes some seconds to render after it has been all loaded |
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| 23:58.45 | henshaw | hello! just testing konversation |
| 23:59.08 | lostson | its working well i can read what you say hehe |
| 23:59.34 | henshaw | i'm not sure whether I gave the nickserv my password properly, so i might be bumped or something |
