irclog2html for #kde on 20070321

`00:00.10`	`Shadow_mil`	`nope`
`00:00.15`	`Shadow_mil`	`let me restart KDE`
`00:00.18`	`Shadow_mil`	`brb`
`00:00.19`	`JamesB192`	`Heh, dodgy log files can silently crash Konversation on my hardened x86 Gentoo box.`
`00:00.43`	`Sho_`	`JamesB192: Backtrace?`
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`00:02.02`	`Shadow_mil`	`yeah restarting KDE cleared it up`
`00:02.04`	`Shadow_mil`	`not sure what caused it...`
`00:04.54`	`Shadow_mil`	`Ill tell you if it happens again`
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`00:06.46`	`sebhtml`	`hi`
`00:06.56`	`sebhtml`	`I have a question concerning konsole`
`00:07.38`	`sebhtml`	`in gnome-terminal, when a open a new tab, the CURRENT WORKING DIRECTORY is the same, but in Konsole the CURRENT WORKING DIRECTORY is set to $HOME`
`00:07.39`	`sebhtml`	`so`
`00:07.42`	`sebhtml`	`I was`
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`00:07.51`	`sebhtml`	`wondering if there was an option in konsole for this`
`00:08.18`	`sebhtml`	`anyone?`
`00:08.33`	`Sho_`	`Not that I'm aware of`
`00:08.41`	`Sho_`	`It would be fairly easy to script, however`
`00:08.45`	`pinotree`	`personally, i hate that behaviour of the gnome terminalù`
`00:08.51`	`sebhtml`	`me I love it`
`00:09.08`	`pinotree`	`go into a deep subdirectory tree`
`00:09.22`	`sebhtml`	`why`
`00:09.27`	`pinotree`	`then you want new terminals eg from $HOME`
`00:09.36`	`sebhtml`	`just type cd`
`00:09.40`	`pinotree`	`it's something really awful`
`00:09.42`	`sebhtml`	`cd<ENTER>`
`00:09.44`	`JamesB192`	`No backtrace, I don't think I even have GDB installed, much less comipled Konversation and it's deps w/ '-g ggdb'.`
`00:09.48`	`pinotree`	`bah`
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`00:10.09`	`Shadow_mil`	`personally... if I open a new terminal, I want to start working on something else, in a different location`
`00:10.12`	`Sho_`	`JamesB192: Reliable steps to reproduce?`
`00:10.20`	`sebhtml`	`well, you know, I am use to this behavior`
`00:10.29`	`sebhtml`	`and`
`00:10.31`	`sebhtml`	`example`
`00:10.43`	`sebhtml`	`I have vim on some ruby script editing my code`
`00:10.49`	`sebhtml`	`then, I want to run a unit test`
`00:10.57`	`sebhtml`	`so I need to be in the same directory`
`00:10.58`	`pinotree`	`bad question`
`00:10.59`	`sebhtml`	`so`
`00:11.07`	`JamesB192`	`moslty useless dmesg -> http://rafb.net/p/idhTmH45.html`
`00:11.08`	`pinotree`	`as you can launch stuff from vim directly`
`00:11.13`	`sebhtml`	`yes`
`00:11.16`	`Shadow_mil`	`I agree with Sho_`
`00:11.19`	`sebhtml`	`:!./run.sh`
`00:11.25`	`sebhtml`	`but this not what I want`
`00:11.28`	`sebhtml`	`I could do`
`00:11.29`	`Shadow_mil`	`sebhtml: you could screen vi`
`00:11.32`	`sebhtml`	`:!bash`
`00:11.36`	`Shadow_mil`	`then switch back and forth`
`00:11.41`	`pinotree`	`sebhtml: you can also split the views with vim`
`00:11.47`	`sebhtml`	`not really useful`
`00:11.50`	`sebhtml`	`I prefer buffer`
`00:11.53`	`pinotree`	`one view for code, and the other one for the shell`
`00:11.53`	`Shadow_mil`	`does vi not have a CLI mode?`
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`00:12.07`	`MinceR`	`it does`
`00:12.12`	`MinceR`	`it's called ex, iirc.`
`00:12.21`	`sebhtml`	`you can just fork a bash process`
`00:12.25`	`sebhtml`	`and then exit 0`
`00:12.27`	`Sho_`	`There's a nice vim-addon for terminals in vim splits`
`00:12.43`	`Sho_`	`If one vants to use vim as GNU screen replacement ;)`
`00:12.54`	`sebhtml`	`screen has another purpose`
`00:13.06`	`pinotree`	`sebhtml: change example, the vim one is quite weak ;)`
`00:13.07`	`StarScream`	`are there decent java KDE bindings ?`
`00:13.08`	`sebhtml`	`it detach its children processes from a tty`
`00:13.16`	`JamesB192`	`start Konversation with the line '' at the end of the log. ( konv 1.0.1 && kde ~3.5.5 )`
`00:13.18`	`sebhtml`	`vim does not`
`00:13.22`	`sebhtml`	`it need a tty`
`00:13.41`	`sebhtml`	`by the way, KDE 3.5 is really great on FreeBSD 6.2 SMP`
`00:13.54`	`sebhtml`	`I even got WPA working with freebsd`
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`00:13.59`	`sebhtml`	`and powerd`
`00:13.59`	`pinotree`	`StarScream: iirc there's one, but i have no idea about its state`
`00:14.11`	`sebhtml`	`so now my cpu is at 217 MHz`
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`00:14.30`	`sebhtml`	`but for my question I guess I'll have to find myself.`
`00:14.34`	`sebhtml`	`thank you`
`00:14.37`	`maki`	`how can i get the kmenu to default setup`
`00:14.47`	`Sho_`	`sebhtml: I was referring to screen allowing for the same set up (split screen, one vim, one shell) as said vim addon`
`00:14.54`	`StarScream`	`pinotree: ok thanks`
`00:14.56`	`sebhtml`	`I see`
`00:15.01`	`sebhtml`	`I misunderstood then`
`00:15.29`	`sebhtml`	`anyone using FreebSD on a laptop here?`
`00:15.45`	`pinotree`	`#kde-freebsd`
`00:15.49`	`Shadow_mil`	`sebhtml: most people here are Linux I would think`
`00:16.32`	`StarScream`	`pinotree: which channel would i ask about using dcop ? kde-devel ?`
`00:16.33`	`JamesB192`	`start Konversation with the something like the line '[23:28:35] <[Beta]> Google says lol is �?�?�?, it looks nearly the same ;)' at the end of the log. ( konv 1.0.1 && kde ~3.5.5 )`
`00:17.03`	`pinotree`	`StarScream: depends on what are you going to ask - if something user-oriented or more developing-like`
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`00:17.38`	`JamesB192`	`Had to dig through echelog -> http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1174263102 to find it.`
`00:17.40`	`StarScream`	`pinotree: prolly dev orientated. I'll ask in dev :)`
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`00:18.42`	`Sho_`	`JamesB192: I'm unable to reproduce a crash with that`
`00:18.54`	`pinotree`	`StarScream: aye`
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`00:20.35`	`JamesB192`	`It's quite possibly something quirky about my machine.`
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`00:21.57`	`Sho_`	`I'm headed for bed now, though ..`
`00:22.02`	`Sho_`	`g'night`
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`00:32.38`	`shiv_j`	`is there anyway in linux that I can move certain files to a specific folder depending on the name of the file? e.g say if a file name has dti somewhere in its name can I move it to another folder named dti and so on? foa a number of files all at once?`
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`00:33.11`	`Renze`	`shiv_j: krename might be able to do that`
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`00:33.31`	`shiv_j`	`Renze: let me see`
`00:38.32`	`JamesB192`	`Hah, try 'cp dti dti' note however that it will attempt to move dti into itself.`
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`00:39.31`	`JamesB192`	`you might also try a writing a shell script to do the same job without attempting to move dti into itself.`
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`00:50.10`	`Kiowas`	`hello`
`00:50.39`	`shiv_j`	`Renze: krename seems to be doing the trick. Thanks`
`00:50.47`	`Kiowas`	`I just got a new, much bigger, monitor and I would like to speed up my mouse cursor so I can navigate easier. How can I do that?`
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`00:53.14`	`pinotree`	`Kiowas: kde control center -> perhiperals -> mouse -> advanced`
`00:53.17`	`pinotree`	`arg`
`00:53.48`	`pinotree`	`why can't people wait 5 minutes FIVE?`
`00:53.58`	`Jucato`	`:D`
`00:54.18`	`Jucato`	`because they're not getting their money's worth of support >:)`
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`00:58.11`	`Lanken`	`Kiowas: kcontrol > peripherals > mouse > advanced.`
`00:58.15`	`Lanken`	`oh.`
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`00:59.23`	`Jucato`	`borrowing apt for a while`
`00:59.25`	`Jucato`	`~kmenu`
`00:59.27`	`apt`	`Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbfx`
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`00:59.39`	`Jucato`	`thanks :D`
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`01:00.15`	`Lanken`	where's the background image setting in konqueror? ~,`
`01:00.41`	`Jucato`	`File manager mode? View -> Configure Background`
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`01:09.30`	`StarScream`	`kde-devel is dead atm, so i'll post in here as well. Can anyone tell me which dcop call i would need to make to get or set (either will do ) the contents of the current buffer in quanta`
`01:09.42`	`StarScream`	`i have my instance, but in the dcop browser`
`01:10.00`	`StarScream`	`i can't see anything that resembles what the current buffer is.`
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`02:00.45`	`cubezzz`	`got a hopefully easy question... when I restart kde how do I get it to start kmix automatically?`
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`02:08.31`	`Scott5114`	`cubezzz: have it running when you log out, it should start back up when you log in`
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`02:09.16`	`cubezzz`	`hmmm, I'll try that Scott5114`
`02:10.32`	`cubezzz`	`last couple of times I did ctrl-alt-del`
`02:10.48`	`cubezzz`	`or ctrl-alt-backspace`
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`02:21.05`	`said`	`hi`
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`02:36.46`	`johnny69`	`geee, quiet`
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`02:37.26`	`Tm_T`	`yvette: welcome`
`02:37.44`	`yvette`	`thanks, that's my wife's name. i'm trying to fix her email.`
`02:37.53`	`yvette`	`know anything about kwallet?`
`02:38.18`	`Tm_T`	`hey pal, it's still me ;)`
`02:38.39`	`yvette`	`sorry, with the flood-o-people, didn't catch names. :)`
`02:38.50`	`Tm_T`	`I recommend to repost your whole problem ;)`
`02:39.01`	`Tm_T`	`and no problemo, I'm used to that`
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`02:39.08`	`yvette`	`ok, will do...`
`02:39.49`	`Tm_T`	`yvette: btw you don't need to tell "it's my wife's name" because it shouldnt matter really ;)`
`02:40.08`	`Tm_T`	`and then again, you can do /nick`
`02:40.15`	`yvette`	`I'm trying to configure kontact so that it sees kwallet. it's currently not set to use it, and i'd like to use it rather than storing it in kmail.. any guesses?`
`02:40.41`	`yvette`	`re: name - yeah... it's the internet where men are women and women are non-existant. ;_`
`02:40.47`	`yvette`	`ooop... :-)`
`02:41.13`	`Tm_T`	`well, to me there's no men or women, just persons until they prove otherwise`
`02:41.33`	`Tm_T`	`(prove to be bots that is)`
`02:41.45`	`yvette`	`heh. :-)`
`02:41.53`	`yvette`	`OK, and KWallet experts?`
`02:41.57`	`cubezzz`	`parse error 1004`
`02:42.00`	`Tm_T`	`you might notice it's night in europe ;)`
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`02:42.15`	`Tm_T`	`cubezzz: not that good try`
`02:42.59`	`yvette`	`It's night here in California, too.`
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`02:43.30`	`Tm_T`	`hm? 20 ?`
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`02:44.12`	`yvette`	`8:00pm, as we metric-challanged folk say.`
`02:44.19`	`Tm_T`	`:)`
`02:44.25`	`Tm_T`	`0444 atm here`
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`02:45.03`	`yvette`	`woof... about the time i got to sleep last night working on this stupid machine.`
`02:45.24`	`Tm_T`	`(:`
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`02:45.50`	`cubezzz`	`4:00 am is normal time for me :)`
`02:45.58`	`yvette`	`Hrmm... I may just rename the kontactrc file and see what happens...`
`02:47.43`	`yvette`	`Odd, that didn't do anything. :-?`
`02:47.48`	`Tm_T`	`hah, now my kwallet is in loop, it keeps asking permission to itself =)`
`02:47.56`	`Tm_T`	`yvette: kmailrc is separate ;)`
`02:48.32`	`wolsni`	`kontactrc doesn't do a whole lot, actually, since everything but the summary view is a separate program`
`02:48.39`	`yvette`	`d'ok! I had just been messing with it, too...`
`02:49.17`	`Tm_T`	`I'd recommend to back up kmailrc and kmail dir`
`02:49.41`	`yvette`	`don't need to; it'll just be back where it was last night...`
`02:49.58`	`Tm_T`	`~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ that is, where it keeps mails`
`02:50.33`	`Tm_T`	`in case you end up losing them ;)`
`02:50.39`	`yvette`	`Yeah, I transferred them from my PCLOS drive last night. KWallet was the only thing I messed up.`
`02:50.52`	`yvette`	`Didn't seem to help, so I'll ask again:`
`02:51.18`	`yvette`	`I'm trying to get KMail to use KWallet, but it's not working. Any guesses?`
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`02:53.01`	`yvette`	`Also doesn't work with Konq. :-(`
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`02:53.20`	`yvette`	`I copied the old kwallet settings over, but the didn't seem to take.`
`02:56.30`	`yvette`	`Here's the problem: How do I make an application use KWallet? Specifically, KMail and Konq?`
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`02:59.39`	`yvette`	`For example. Konq is storing the values, but not actually filling in forms when I go to the pages.`
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`03:00.27`	`wolsni`	`yvette: in konqueror settings, completion of forms is enabled?`
`03:00.47`	`wolsni`	`settings->configure konqueror, web behavior, enable completion of forms`
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`03:01.17`	`yvette`	`Already set.`
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`03:02.30`	`yvette`	`I copied the kwallet settings over... did the file format change?`
`03:02.48`	`yvette`	`I can see all the settings, they just aren't being applied.`
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`03:08.22`	`yvette`	`Argh... I've got a backup, I'll see if I can copy via drag and drop instead of file copy of kwalletrc.`
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`03:08.57`	`yvette`	`-oo-`
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`03:11.58`	`FunkyELF`	`hey guys, I got a quick k3b question. It always checks the md5 sum of .iso files when I burn them, but I don't have any .md5 files. Is the hash built into the .iso file format?`
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`03:13.27`	`Jucato`	`FunkyELF: it's just performing the "md5sum <file.iso>" command on the ISO`
`03:14.13`	`Jucato`	`it's not comparing it with anything`
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`03:24.29`	`piztek`	`does anyone know how to configure wireless on kde?`
`03:25.12`	`wolsni`	`piztek: knetworkmanager :)`
`03:25.31`	`piztek`	`is that all?`
`03:25.32`	`AMorozov`	`Hi`
`03:25.36`	`piztek`	`will it ask for passwords?`
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`03:26.01`	`piztek`	`also i installed kde and it's kde 3.2`
`03:26.06`	`wolsni`	`piztek: knetworkmanager should find wireless networks, attach to them, ask for passwords, switch to the one with the strongest signal, etc`
`03:26.20`	`wolsni`	`i don't know whether it works with kde 3.2 though`
`03:26.28`	`piztek`	`is it most likeley installed?`
`03:26.40`	`FunkyELF`	`Jucato, thats misleading, it puts a checkmark next to the MD5 like it was comparing it against something and it passed`
`03:26.48`	`wolsni`	`piztek: it's not part of the main KDE modules`
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`03:27.31`	`Jucato`	`FunkyELF: it's "checking" the md5sum of the ISO. so it's not really that far off`
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`03:28.04`	`AMorozov`	`piztek: perhaps, it's time to upgrade? :-)`
`03:28.10`	`piztek`	`yeah how?`
`03:28.16`	`piztek`	`apt-get update isn't finding it`
`03:28.36`	`wolsni`	`piztek: your distribution's kde is at 3.2, fully updated?`
`03:28.57`	`AMorozov`	`probably you have debian sarge`
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`03:29.17`	`piztek`	`seriously?`
`03:29.23`	`piztek`	`that's the highest it goes?`
`03:29.35`	`wolsni`	`piztek: current kde is 3.5.6`
`03:29.39`	`Jucato`	`on sarge, yes (I think)`
`03:30.06`	`piztek`	`maybe i'll install testing`
`03:30.22`	`piztek`	`that's bogus it doesn't update`
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`03:30.45`	`Jucato`	`that's the whole point of debian stable afaik`
`03:30.59`	`wolsni`	`that is what the 'stable' means`
`03:31.54`	`piztek`	`well 3.2 it is then`
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`03:32.46`	`AMorozov`	`Jucato: I'd say the pitiful whole point :-)`
`03:32.56`	`Jucato`	`heh`
`03:33.47`	`Jucato`	`I don't think it's pitiful though`
`03:34.16`	`AMorozov`	`Well, I know, I know. Someone could call it rock stable`
`03:34.55`	`AMorozov`	`well, I'm sorry, I didn't wish to enter into distrowars, really.`
`03:35.34`	`wolsni`	`that was a distrowar?`
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`03:36.05`	`AMorozov`	`No, just kidding`
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`03:37.47`	`AMorozov`	`Actually I came to ask the following thing: I've upgraded to 3.5.6 few days ago, and /it seems/ konqy became well, a bit slower than the one from 3.5.5 on few sites.`
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`03:38.27`	`AMorozov`	`that is, maybe it's not slower, just renders pages /strangely/.`
`03:38.46`	`wolsni`	`AMorozov: example site(s) ?`
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`03:40.08`	`AMorozov`	`well, actually at the moment I can provide only few news sites in Russian. You don't need to understand the content, but rather pay attention on how the new pages are rendered.`
`03:42.14`	`AMorozov`	`say, open`
`03:42.14`	`AMorozov`	`http://www.lenta.ru/news/2007/03/21/talks/`
`03:42.14`	`AMorozov`	`then scroll down to the bottom of the article and then choose some other article on the right.`
`03:43.23`	`wolsni`	`AMorozov: unless there's supposed to be a left sidebar, that looks all right to me`
`03:44.05`	`AMorozov`	`When you clicked on a second article link, the _current_ article is redisplayed for a few ticks, and only then a new page arrives.`
`03:44.55`	`wolsni`	`maybe someone else can help`
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`03:45.39`	`AMorozov`	`wolsni: but have you noticed that?`
`03:46.00`	`AMorozov`	`... at all?`
`03:46.00`	`Jucato`	`#khtml can probably help`
`03:46.05`	`wolsni`	`AMorozov: yes, my konqueror acts that way`
`03:46.14`	`AMorozov`	`Ok.`
`03:46.58`	`AMorozov`	`At least I can be sure that it's not my personal setup fault or smth.`
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`03:50.56`	`Simkin`	`anyone know a way to use konqueror to just print some html out to a ps file from a script? (so you could call it like konqueror < file.html > printout.ps)`
`03:51.08`	`AMorozov`	`thank you for the help, have to get back to the kids`
`03:51.27`	`wolsni`	`Simkin: if such a thing exists, you can find it with kdcop`
`03:51.27`	`Jucato`	`Simkin: Location -> Print -> Print to file?`
`03:51.38`	`wolsni`	`kdcop == graphical browser of scriptable operations for kde apps`
`03:51.50`	`Simkin`	`Jucato: yah, but i want to call it from a script.`
`03:51.53`	`Jucato`	`ah`
`03:52.27`	`Renze`	`moo`
`03:52.33`	`AMorozov`	`actually CLI dcop works just fine and zsh has autocompletion set up for it :-)`
`03:52.45`	`Jucato`	`zsh..`
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`03:53.02`	`AMorozov`	`probably bash too`
`03:53.03`	`Renze`	`zsh ftw!`
`03:53.09`	`Jucato`	`Simkin: the problem with having to do it through some script is figuring out the full name of the konqueror instance/window`
`03:53.28`	`Simkin`	`i was hoping it could run headless`
`03:53.38`	`qupada`	`wolsni: indeed it does`
`03:53.58`	`Simkin`	`actually, where would i have information about programming for kde?`
`03:53.58`	`qupada`	`like a chicken?`
`03:54.02`	`qupada`	`they run when they're headless`
`03:54.06`	`qupada`	`around and around and around`
`03:54.08`	`Simkin`	`i have qt code that mostly does what i want`
`03:54.21`	`wolsni`	`Simkin: techbase.kde.org seems like the place to go`
`03:54.32`	`Simkin`	`but it doesn't understand css. but if i could use "kprint" that would work`
`03:55.13`	`AMorozov`	`Simkin: you may try either pykde/korundum or just kommander`
`03:56.29`	`Simkin`	`i'm emeringing html2ps right now too`
`03:56.34`	`Simkin`	`but i'm not sure how well it renders`
`03:56.38`	`Simkin`	`probably not as well as konqueror.`
`03:56.49`	`AMorozov`	`wolsni: there're too many html rendering issues? so that a proven renderer is needed :-)`
`03:58.10`	`Simkin`	`http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Architecture/KDE3/Printing`
`03:58.16`	`Simkin`	`that was less helpfull than i had hoped.`
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`04:03.14`	`Taime1`	`is this where i would ask a ktorrent question?`
`04:04.09`	`wolsni`	`Taime1: sure`
`04:04.37`	`Taime1`	`i get this error at startup: The file or folder /home/pedro/"%c" does not exist. why?`
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`04:09.20`	`wolsni`	`Taime1: are you using another window manager besides kwin?`
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`04:09.38`	`Taime1`	`kwin?`
`04:09.48`	`wolsni`	`Taime1: the kde window manager`
`04:09.49`	`Taime1`	`is that kde window manager?`
`04:09.51`	`Taime1`	`i see`
`04:10.01`	`Taime1`	`gnome on this box, though, yeah`
`04:11.41`	`wolsni`	`it's possible that gnome is interpreting the shortcut wrong and directly inserting a %c instead of whatever it should be replaced with`
`04:11.56`	`wolsni`	`probably you should modify the menu entry to leave out the %c`
`04:12.11`	`Taime1`	`oh`
`04:12.33`	`Taime1`	`most others star with %s`
`04:12.47`	`wolsni`	`you could try replacing the c with an s then`
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`04:14.55`	`Taime1`	`thanks`
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`04:26.02`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`Does KDE have a man/info page viewer?`
`04:26.20`	`Renze`	`yes, the man:/ and info:/ kioslaves`
`04:26.37`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`ahh sweet`
`04:27.13`	`wolsni`	`SAS_Spidey01: note that you can browse available man pages by just using man:/`
`04:28.01`	`qupada`	`you know the one thing man:/ doesn't do which would be cool?`
`04:28.24`	`Renze`	`make pizza?`
`04:28.37`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`Understand my system doesn't have sections l and n ?`
`04:28.41`	`qupada`	`the see also: section at the bottom could be links to the actual man pages referenced there`
`04:28.51`	`Renze`	`qupada: they are here`
`04:29.13`	`qupada`	`Renze: interesting`
`04:29.43`	`Lanken`	`do you guys pronounce kio as "keeyoh" or as "kay-eye-oh"`
`04:29.43`	`Renze`	`e.g. man:ls has a link to dircolors under SEE ALSO`
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`04:29.51`	`Renze`	`kay eye oh`
`04:29.54`	`qupada`	`ok, well evidently they are in some man pages but not others`
`04:30.13`	`wolsni`	`the man page links are for me, but not info pages`
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`04:32.26`	`Lanken`	`the "working" animation in konqueror is no longer the modern "white on blue". Instead it's the old silver and gold k-gear. This happened when I changed icon themes, how do I get the old one back?`
`04:33.19`	`Renze`	`the throbber can be overridden by the icon theme`
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`04:34.11`	`Renze`	`<size>/actions/kde.png`
`04:34.23`	`qupada`	`better still just remove it. that way it won't distract you, and it won't matter what icon theme because you won't have to look at it`
`04:34.37`	`Lanken`	`if it's a png, how the heck is it animated?`
`04:34.45`	`Renze`	`have a look at one, and you will see`
`04:35.06`	`Lanken`	`and it's useful to have an indication that konqi is working, rather than crashed.`
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`04:41.20`	`blankfaze`	`for those of you who use firefox ... what is the best way to view videos (most filetypes or at least mpg/wmv) embedded in webpage?`
`04:42.08`	`DarkElf`	`ist configurable about kopete and konqueror, when you press ctrl+w its closing current pages but when last page its not. How can i change that to close last page too .?`
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`04:42.46`	`fannagoganna`	`hi, what program in the KDE suite gives one a list of all hardware devices detected by the OS?`
`04:43.02`	`Renze`	`kinfocenter ?`
`04:43.14`	`fannagoganna`	`thanks`
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`04:44.30`	`fannagoganna`	`i ask b/c i am trying to find the name of my network device`
`04:44.38`	`fannagoganna`	`what type of drivers i would need`
`04:44.45`	`fannagoganna`	`this is for my windows partition`
`04:45.41`	`DarkElf`	`lspci form console`
`04:45.47`	`DarkElf`	`konsole i mean`
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`05:01.11`	`Ze_M`	`aseigo: can you tell me if kdemultimedia buildrequires ecasound?`
`05:02.18`	`Renze`	`Ze_M: nope`
`05:04.01`	`Simkin`	`qtextdocument is frustrating, does everything i want, just not very well :)`
`05:04.18`	`Simkin`	`well i should say the qtextdocument::print`
`05:04.23`	`Simkin`	`the rest of it is rather sweet :)`
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`05:41.37`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`hi how can I do to see the thumbnail previews? I have checked the option in View, but I still see icons`
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`05:42.15`	`wolsni`	`gonzaloaf_laptop: the previews only show up in the icon view`
`05:42.21`	`derrley`	`I have a question about personalization of KDE -- because I have a particularly crappy laptop panel, I need to stay away from 'grays' in my colors scheme. Currently, when a window is minimized, the text is gray. How do I change this? All I have found so far is change from "elegant" to "classic" etc.`
`05:42.25`	`wolsni`	`if you have tree or list mode enabled they won't show up`
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`05:43.06`	`derrley`	`openSUSE 10.2, KDE 3.5.5`
`05:43.49`	`Simkin`	`derrley: what in kcontrol you can get to it`
`05:43.58`	`Simkin`	`rtt z`
`05:44.02`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`wolsni, I have cheked now only Large icons, but I still dont see the previews`
`05:44.03`	`Simkin`	`err just in kcontrol you can get to it`
`05:44.08`	`Simkin`	`under appearance and themes`
`05:45.06`	`derrley`	`Simkin: I do not understand what you meant to say by that sentence.`
`05:45.22`	`derrley`	`Simkin: ah, okay, I can't find it in there.`
`05:45.25`	`wolsni`	`gonzaloaf_laptop: and previews are enabled and there is a check by 'images'?`
`05:45.36`	`wolsni`	`or whatever you wanted to preview?`
`05:45.43`	`derrley`	`Simkin: under "colors" there is no way to change just that option, only an entire theme`
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`05:47.18`	`Simkin`	`derrley: what is it you want to change the color of?`
`05:47.47`	`derrley`	`Simkin: the text on a taskbar entry for a minimized window.`
`05:48.33`	`Simkin`	`oh`
`05:48.35`	`Simkin`	`i see what you mean now`
`05:48.40`	`derrley`	`Simkin: :)`
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`05:51.47`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`wolsni, can you repeat what you said? my pc went down`
`05:51.54`	`wolsni`	`gonzaloaf_laptop: and previews are enabled and there is a check by 'images'?`
`05:51.55`	`wolsni`	`or whatever you wanted to preview?`
`05:52.16`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`wolsni, I want to see the thumbnails previews`
`05:53.10`	`wolsni`	`gonzaloaf_laptop: in konqueror, view->preview`
`05:53.17`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`wolsni, I have the option "show previews" disabled, why?`
`05:53.35`	`wolsni`	`well, those should be enabled if you want to see them`
`05:54.03`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`wolsni, it is disabled, I mean I cannot modify it`
`05:54.18`	`wolsni`	`gonzaloaf_laptop: ah, the menu is confusing you`
`05:54.28`	`wolsni`	`click on the option 'show previews'`
`05:54.56`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`wolsni, the button is ...... how can I say, disabled?`
`05:55.18`	`wolsni`	`gonzaloaf_laptop: ah, i see`
`05:56.06`	`wolsni`	`gonzaloaf_laptop: in konqueror, settings -> configure konqueror -> previews and meta-data`
`05:56.37`	`wolsni`	`make sure that previews are enabled for the url type you are viewing (like file for local files)`
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`05:57.44`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`wolsni, I dont have konqueror installed, I use gnome, do I need konqueror installed?`
`05:58.05`	`wolsni`	`gonzaloaf_laptop: i assumed you were talking about konqueror since this is #kde`
`05:58.38`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`wolsni, I'm talking about kuickshow`
`05:58.54`	`wolsni`	`gonzaloaf_laptop: ...`
`06:00.32`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`wolsni, :( you dont use kuickshow?`
`06:01.04`	`wolsni`	`$ which kuickshow`
`06:01.04`	`wolsni`	`/usr/bin/which: no kuickshow in (/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/games)`
`06:01.31`	`wolsni`	`i don't remember kuickshow having a thumbnail view though`
`06:01.41`	`wolsni`	`i think you want kview or eog`
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`06:02.32`	`gonzaloaf_laptop`	`wolsni, yes it has that option`
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`06:07.47`	`mardi_soir`	`hello`
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`06:55.28`	`paoleela\|w`	`Morning. I know ~/.kde/Autostart. But where to put scripts for closing kde? I forgot.`
`06:56.53`	`Jucato`	`~/.kde/shutdown iirc`
`06:57.08`	`paoleela\|w`	`Hard to find. Thanks.`
`06:57.23`	`paoleela\|w`	`Maybe rather Shutdown`
`06:59.02`	`paoleela\|w`	`No, you're right. It's ~/.kde/Autostart but ~/.kde/shutdown`
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`07:46.51`	`mdeanda`	`so where can i ask for help building a kde app? is there any other channel other than #kdevelop?`
`07:47.09`	`Jucato`	`#kde-devel probably?`
`07:48.30`	`mdeanda`	`ahh.. thanks.`
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`07:49.32`	`r3factored`	`how would one go about using kde's OSD? are there interfaces exposed that one can call?`
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`07:50.03`	`mdeanda`	`osd? are you talking about the passive popups?`
`07:50.21`	`mdeanda`	`i suppose you can use kdialog`
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`07:50.36`	`Jucato`	`OSD's like Amarok's and Konversation's`
`07:50.41`	`r3factored`	`no i meant on-screen-display`
`07:50.51`	`r3factored`	`Jucato: :) you got it`
`07:51.03`	`Jucato`	`I wonder how ;)`
`07:51.10`	`r3factored`	`i would love it if i could use kdialog for that`
`07:51.25`	`mdeanda`	`heeh.. is that a standard "widget" you mean the blue bubble one right`
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`07:52.19`	`r3factored`	`mdeanda: yessir or a way to play with the concept`
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`07:54.12`	`r3factored`	`whats the kde dev channel?`
`07:54.40`	`mdeanda`	`r3factored: i was told kde-devel :)`
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`07:54.57`	`mdeanda`	`but i didn't try it.. i figured out my problem before actually sending my question.`
`07:55.12`	`r3factored`	`ah i forgot the dash`
`07:55.21`	`Jucato`	`:P`
`07:55.59`	`Scott5114`	`does KDE have an option for having a compose key?`
`07:56.19`	`AniHatzis`	`Anyone knows about problems with KDE Wallet?`
`07:56.24`	`mdeanda`	`is there some "best practices" document for doing kde dev?`
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`07:56.55`	`r3factored`	`mdeanda: i saw some docs similar to that on the kde-developer website. its been a while though.`
`07:57.51`	`AniHatzis`	`My KDE Wallet "forgets" to come up if needed. After starting it manually I see that the wallet is empty - all passwords/keys gone.`
`07:58.02`	`mdeanda`	`like, it may seem silly.. but i'm not sure what files should be stored in a repository... and the "proper" structur of things, etc.`
`07:58.05`	`AniHatzis`	`I use Kubuntu 6.10 since Sunday`
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`07:58.42`	`mdeanda`	`AniHatzis: did you opt to use when it first asked you?`
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`07:59.07`	`mdeanda`	`i've had a similar problem with kmail.. like once i didn't enter the kwallet password.. and it seemed to never want to use it.`
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`08:00.20`	`mdeanda`	`r3factored: what are building? (i'm just nosey today)`
`08:01.00`	`r3factored`	`mdeanda: nothing in particular but i always liked serioussamurize in winblows.`
`08:01.35`	`AniHatzis`	`mdeanda: I can't remember that I have been even asked for at the very first time. I think it was KMail I told to store the password and then KWallet came up.`
`08:02.40`	`mdeanda`	`AniHatzis: ahh.. did kmail happen to crash that first time you loaded it? i've found that when you first start kmail.. setup email address stuff.. and start using.. it sometimes crashes.. i've learned to start it, set it up.. close it.. then restart it..`
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`08:02.48`	`metalfan`	`hi`
`08:03.06`	`mdeanda`	`AniHatzis: when it crashes like this, it doesn't seem to remember anything.. this might have been fixed though`
`08:03.24`	`metalfan`	`is there a shell cmd to shut down kde gracefully as root while running kde as user or ist it okay to use "init 0" ?`
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`08:04.05`	`mdeanda`	`r3factored: so you're trying to do like those superkaramba things, but using that osd widget?`
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`08:05.26`	`mdeanda`	`r3factored: if you can't get an answer to that osd thing.. you may be able to find it if you browse the code to one of those apps.. i know its often hard to dig through quickly.. but sometimes you get lucky.`
`08:05.59`	`r3factored`	`mdeanda: yeah im thinking the same - browse the code.`
`08:06.44`	`r3factored`	`I dont understand superkaramba - i dont think im using it correctly. I just get static widgets that dont do anything`
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`08:07.41`	`AniHatzis`	`mdeanda: OK, I had a strange start-up (100% CPU, only desktopr right-click worked) right before and had to restart my session. Two KMail instances did run at that time. But why is my KWallet empty?`
`08:07.58`	`mdeanda`	`r3factored: i'm using one called crystal monitor, and i know that one words.. it shows lots of stuff.. cpu usage, memory, hd space, net up/down.. etc`
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`08:08.40`	`r3factored`	`i heard something about 'real' widgets being in kde4 - similar to google gadgets etc.`
`08:09.05`	`mdeanda`	`AniHatzis: not sure. most of my problems have been from not entering the wallet password when prompted.. i've never actually lost information from it.`
`08:10.42`	`Lanken`	`r3factored: apparently it's a big priority, yeah.`
`08:11.26`	`Lanken`	`r3factored: they say that incorporating these widgets will constitute a fundamental change in the desktop metaphore.`
`08:11.26`	`mdeanda`	`r3factored: yeah, i think they added support for "canvas" in konqueror for it.. i read about it recently.`
`08:11.27`	`r3factored`	`wtf?!? my system is creeping and just did a top.....`
`08:11.55`	`r3factored`	`90% cpu taken by rundll32.dll`
`08:12.00`	`r3factored`	`oh`
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`08:12.08`	`mdeanda`	`r3factored: you on windows?`
`08:12.19`	`Lanken`	`linux has dlls?`
`08:12.19`	`r3factored`	`im on ubuntu 64bit - thats the damn 32bit compatibility crap for wine i bet`
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`08:12.36`	`r3factored`	`ha ms stuff even crashes linux - god`
`08:13.18`	`r3factored`	`1000 6958 6941 99 Mar20 ? 14:35:17 rundll32.exe setupapi.dll,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 128 wine.inf`
`08:13.19`	`mdeanda`	`heh, i was bragging at work about my 80+ day uptime... when i ran out of hd space on /.... silly small partition..`
`08:13.22`	`r3factored`	`there it is`
`08:13.36`	`r3factored`	`i gottaa kill that`
`08:14.25`	`r3factored`	`bye bye wine - i use vmware anyways`
`08:14.46`	`r3factored`	`I wish someone would come out with a yakuake for apps not just console.`
`08:15.15`	`mdeanda`	`r3factored: what do you mean? hit f12 to shade active window or something?`
`08:15.16`	`Lanken`	`maximize them and use alt-tab?`
`08:15.32`	`Lanken`	`only there would need to be sliding :)`
`08:15.44`	`mdeanda`	`hehe.. use beryl ;)`
`08:15.52`	`r3factored`	`have you ever used Bubbles on windows? similar to that`
`08:15.55`	`r3factored`	`i love beryl`
`08:15.59`	`Jucato`	`or virtual desktops...`
`08:16.10`	`r3factored`	`Jucato: i tried that - cant get use to them`
`08:16.27`	`Jucato`	`r3factored: I only got used to them after months :)`
`08:16.27`	`mdeanda`	`actually, trying to install beryl on my slackware broke it a little.. i can't compile kde apps anymore..`
`08:16.29`	`r3factored`	`beryl runs circles around vista and doesnt take down servers to boot`
`08:16.33`	`Jucato`	`now I can't live w/o them...`
`08:16.46`	`Lanken`	`r3factored: I'm proud of my frill-free desktop. I disabled the slide in yakuake =D`
`08:16.53`	`r3factored`	`Jucato: yeah i just get hung up one what to put where`
`08:16.53`	`Jucato`	`so much that I feel claustrophobic on Windows...`
`08:16.59`	`r3factored`	`Lanken: i did that also`
`08:17.34`	`r3factored`	`i just built this amd64 x2 system and thought "ok ill try vista" - ran it for about 1 week and said hell no - went back to linux`
`08:17.36`	`mdeanda`	`Jucato: i agree.. i especially hate how they compensate by grouping windows together in the task bar..`
`08:17.36`	`Jucato`	`r3factored: I put group similar apps on a virtual desktop`
`08:17.49`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: I hear you. I didn't get into multiple desktops until I could move through them with the mousewheel though. It's so easy to look for stuff if you can just wheel around.`
`08:18.05`	`Jucato`	`Lanken: have you tried Active borders?`
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`08:18.19`	`r3factored`	`whats the deal with beryl's workspaces and kde's virtual desktops?`
`08:18.27`	`Jucato`	`move the mouse to the desktop borders and get switched to the next/previous desktop`
`08:18.30`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: I just drag things on the pager. I have monstrous big pagers. Like 80 pixels or something.`
`08:18.32`	`mdeanda`	`Lanken: its easier to middle click on the desktop :)`
`08:18.38`	`Jucato`	`Lanken: lol :)`
`08:19.08`	`Jucato`	`mdeanda: fortunately there's a sort of free virtual desktop app for XP... forgot the name. I used it once. nifty`
`08:19.11`	`Lanken`	`mdeanda: I find wheeling to be the easiest mouse action to repeat.`
`08:19.29`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: yeah, but does it have good pagers?`
`08:19.31`	`Jucato`	`has a built-in exposé-like feature`
`08:19.40`	`Jucato`	`Lanken: yes it has :)`
`08:19.48`	`Jucato`	`and nice effects too`
`08:20.18`	`Lanken`	`like?`
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`08:20.53`	`Jucato`	`fading and stuff... forgot most of it... haven't been on XP for quite a while and I removed it`
`08:21.00`	`Jucato`	`(trying to free up space)`
`08:21.30`	`Jucato`	`it's a 3rd party program, not part of MS PowerToys`
`08:21.37`	`mdeanda`	`i started using linux more seriously shortly after actually buying a copy of winxp :( waste of money`
`08:22.02`	`Lanken`	`hmm. I think using virtual desktops is a bit like using layers in image manipulation. You start out without the feature. When it becomes available to you, you think "hmm this is probably nice" but you don't have the thought-processes developed to take advantage of it.`
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`08:22.42`	`Lanken`	`it's like in X-men or whatever. You have to learn to use your powers. :)`
`08:23.03`	`Jucato`	`hahah`
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`08:23.52`	`Jucato`	`ah there I think I found the name...`
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`08:24.20`	`Jucato`	`it's not FOSS though :(`
`08:24.34`	`Gokee2`	`I asked for this the other day but after I used it I forgot to write the command down... I want to change the K menu and its something like kstyle? But there is no command ks* that looks right... Anyone know the command I am talking about? Brings up the K menu editer`
`08:24.35`	`Jucato`	`http://www.dexpot.de/`
`08:24.38`	`Lanken`	`eh, my xp probably won't boot anyway =D`
`08:24.46`	`birgitt_11`	`i be looking for 6`
`08:24.47`	`Lanken`	`my hwclock is probably farged`
`08:25.06`	`Jucato`	`kmenuedit ?`
`08:25.06`	`birgitt_11`	`is there anyone how fuck me`
`08:25.33`	`birgitt_11`	`*who`
`08:25.34`	`Jucato`	`Gokee2: change what about the K Menu? if you mean the menu editor, it's "kmenuedit"`
`08:25.35`	`Lanken`	`6 haven't here is`
`08:25.40`	`Gokee2`	`Jucato, Thats it! THanks you!`
`08:25.48`	`Gokee2`	`thank*`
`08:25.59`	`birgitt_11`	`kde.de`
`08:26.05`	`birgitt_11`	`#kde.de`
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`08:26.54`	`Jucato`	`Gokee2: wouldn't it be much easier to remember right-clicking on the K Menu icon and selecting Menu editor?`
`08:27.18`	`Jucato`	`but yeah it helps to know the command too :)`
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`08:27.35`	`mdeanda`	`Jucato: dexpot seems interesting, i'll try to remember to try if i ever boot into windows at work :)`
`08:27.36`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: yeah, seems like the most intuitive way ;)`
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`08:28.01`	`Lanken`	`mdeanda: your co-workers will be like "wtf hax"`
`08:28.10`	`Jucato`	`well, if you're going to start talking about intuitive, why can't we drag menu items to change their positions? :)`
`08:28.32`	`mdeanda`	`actually a lot of people are running this osx-like wrapper thing on top of windows.. so it looks like mac..`
`08:28.39`	`Jucato`	`hah`
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`08:28.50`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: I kind of miss that. But from what I hear, editing the kmenu is to be discouraged, as it actually influences a lot of things.`
`08:29.13`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: stuff doesn't break, but the hierarchy you set up in kmenu appears elsewhere.`
`08:29.13`	`Jucato`	`mdeanda: you might also want to take a look at Launchy (it's open source) if you know Katapult or Quicksilver`
`08:29.28`	`Jucato`	`hm...`
`08:29.54`	`Jucato`	`haven't heard of that.. but probably easy to fix. easy to revert to a default k menu list also`
`08:30.06`	`mdeanda`	`ahh.. i've seen launchy on other peoples computers.. look nice.`
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`08:30.10`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: there's a "revert" button?`
`08:30.29`	`Lanken`	`anyway, in my kde install, a lot of programs that should show up there don't show up on their own, it's been kind of a pain.`
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`08:30.43`	`Lanken`	`I assume it's a split-ebuild issue.`
`08:30.48`	`Jucato`	`Lanken: well... there's rm, or drag & drop, or F2, or Del :)`
`08:31.28`	`Jucato`	`the relevant file is ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu :)`
`08:31.29`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: you mean delete my menu.list or whatever?`
`08:31.35`	`Lanken`	`heh, menu.list is for grub....`
`08:31.41`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`08:32.29`	`Lanken`	`ok, if I see icon sets in kcontrol, how can I find them in the fs hierarchy?`
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`08:33.13`	`Jucato`	`the icon images? $KDEDIR/share/icons or $KDEHOME/share/icons`
`08:33.42`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: yeah, I've lookd in both those places. :\`
`08:34.22`	`Lanken`	`those aren't actually variables at my bash prompt, by the way...`
`08:34.27`	`Lanken`	`:[`
`08:35.01`	`Jucato`	`they really aren't unless your distro (Gentoo) explicitly set those up`
`08:35.26`	`Jucato`	`$KDEDIR = kde-config --prefix`
`08:35.44`	`Lanken`	`I grabbed the icon with ksnapshot. Good enough, I guess.`
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`08:39.34`	`mdeanda`	`so i kinda screwed stuff up on my system.. when trying to compile kde apps.. i get an error from a missing /usr/lib/libfreetype.la. how can i tell what references that file? i already removed a few broken symlinks`
`08:40.36`	`Gokee2`	`Jucato, hmm But then I could not use it through ssh`
`08:40.52`	`Jucato`	`aah`
`08:41.05`	`mdeanda`	`nevermind, i think i found a freetype package on the cd. i'm just going to reinstall`
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`08:43.29`	`mdeanda`	`Jucato: thanks for pointing me to katapult.. its great!`
`08:43.43`	`Jucato`	`:D`
`08:43.51`	`Jucato`	`you're very much welcome :)`
`08:43.56`	`Jucato`	`what version do you have there?`
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`08:44.07`	`mdeanda`	`do you know if there is a way to prefer common apps?`
`08:44.20`	`Jucato`	`I think that feature is coming soon... not really sure`
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`08:44.27`	`mdeanda`	`version pi! (0.3.1.4)`
`08:44.34`	`Jucato`	`hehe`
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`08:44.42`	`Jucato`	`aw..`
`08:44.51`	`Jucato`	`3.2 has more Catalogs (plugins) available`
`08:44.58`	`Shingoshi`	`Can someone here help me log into kde as non root.`
`08:45.02`	`Jucato`	`like a Google catalog, an exec (run command) catalog`
`08:45.54`	`Shingoshi`	`Can someone here help me log into kde as non root.`
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`08:46.31`	`mdeanda`	`Shingoshi: why can't you log in? do you have users? you lost the password?`
`08:46.53`	`Shingoshi`	`I normally used root as my login.`
`08:47.01`	`Shingoshi`	`I know that is not good.`
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`08:47.17`	`mdeanda`	`goto K - system - kuser`
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`08:47.18`	`Shingoshi`	`So I am trying to fix it to login as non root.`
`08:47.20`	`mdeanda`	`create a new user there`
`08:47.34`	`Shingoshi`	`I have the user already setup.`
`08:47.48`	`mdeanda`	`does it automatically log you in as root?`
`08:48.23`	`Shingoshi`	`But when I try to login, I get a black screen and no desktop.`
`08:48.53`	`Shingoshi`	`My system starts into console. And then I use kdm to start kde.`
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`08:49.13`	`mdeanda`	`open up a terminal and so "su - otheruse" then try moving the .kde folder to .kde_back that sometimes helps`
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`08:49.38`	`mdeanda`	`oh... try startx as the user instead`
`08:49.56`	`mdeanda`	`or if there are error messages on the screen about a display being used, try "startx -- :1"`
`08:50.20`	`Shingoshi`	`Startx gives me a black screen. No desktip.`
`08:50.32`	`Shingoshi`	`Just a cursor and nothing else.`
`08:50.36`	`mdeanda`	`is there an error message after the black screen?`
`08:50.49`	`mdeanda`	`or it stays on the black screen with cursor?`
`08:50.58`	`Shingoshi`	`No Xlib protocol specified.`
`08:51.29`	`Shingoshi`	`I am using X now as root.`
`08:51.59`	`mdeanda`	`strange, never seen that message before.. google seems to have something.. i'll let you know if i find anything`
`08:52.47`	`Shingoshi`	`Thank you. I am lost!`
`08:52.57`	`mdeanda`	`are you on a mac by any chance?`
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`08:53.05`	`mdeanda`	`or using ssh/telnet somehwere?`
`08:53.27`	`Shingoshi`	`No. x86_64`
`08:53.57`	`Shingoshi`	`Logging in from console. Then kdm to X.`
`08:54.06`	`mdeanda`	`so you said you boot to a console right? what if you boot to kdm? may have to edit /etc/inittab`
`08:54.19`	`mdeanda`	`or you can just type "init 4"`
`08:54.23`	`mdeanda`	`or better yet..`
`08:54.45`	`mdeanda`	`log in as a user but to xfce or twm or whatever.. something other than kde.. to see if its kde specific`
`08:54.53`	`Shingoshi`	`I tried to run level 4. Seems to screw everything up.`
`08:55.25`	`mdeanda`	`damn, this katapult app rocks.. i just wanna start up a bunch of programs now`
`08:55.35`	`Shingoshi`	`Hold on. Let me check something first.`
`08:55.47`	`Lanken`	`mdeanda: hah.`
`08:56.13`	`mdeanda`	`wow it even find tremulous.. i only have to hit alt+space, t - are, enter and i'm playing!!! sweet`
`08:56.23`	`mdeanda`	`are=r`
`08:57.42`	`Lanken`	`mdeanda: methinks that called for "s/are/r"`
`08:58.07`	`mdeanda`	`hey, you guys know where i can get help setting up my laptop? it used to work very well, and i've reinstalled slackware a few times for various reasons, now i have problems with video, keyboard, sleep/hibernate/suspect/whatever, and until recently wireless..`
`08:58.12`	`Shingoshi`	`Just installed xfce.`
`08:59.01`	`mdeanda`	`Lanken: yeah, i'm not savvy with vi/awk/sed whichever that comes from`
`09:00.24`	`Lanken`	`Shingoshi: oooh. I like the system monitor panel applets in xfce. check them out.`
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`09:03.23`	`mdeanda`	`Shingoshi: good luck with that, i'm going to play tremulous for 15 minutes`
`09:03.39`	`Lanken`	`mdeanda: be the humans. It's so much less frustrating.`
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`09:07.41`	`mdeanda`	`yeah i was.. i always pick auto :)`
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`09:08.06`	`mdeanda`	`i try to play only a few minutes at a time.. i've been spending so much time on that game lately`
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`09:08.37`	`Lanken`	`how do you like this icon? http://www.princeton.edu/~wglennie/kdeclassic_system.png`
`09:08.59`	`mdeanda`	`for katapult?`
`09:09.04`	`Lanken`	`to go with the kdeclassic theme. On my install, at least, this theme lacks a "system" icon.`
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`09:09.16`	`mdeanda`	`yeah its nice.`
`09:09.47`	`mdeanda`	`the gradient looks grainy.. but i suppose you're trying to keep file size small`
`09:10.09`	`Lanken`	`I ripped it off from some other iconset. added a border, gamma-shifted the grey parts, and sharpened the screen image to get the grainy look.`
`09:10.23`	`Lanken`	`the grainyness is intentional. check out the kdeclassic iconset for context.`
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`09:17.01`	`mdeanda`	`woah, so retro... i changed my windeco to kde2 and iconset to classic :)`
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`09:17.31`	`Lanken`	`mdeanda: yeah, I like the classic icons a lot actually.`
`09:17.37`	`Lanken`	`they're so crisp-looking`
`09:17.45`	`nattfodd`	`hi, I was wondering if anyone had ever tried to profile konqueror`
`09:17.47`	`mdeanda`	`so Lanken you do a lot of artwork for kde? or are you just fooling around?`
`09:17.50`	`Lanken`	`but I was wrong about grainyness. They're not grainy just aliased.`
`09:17.54`	`Lanken`	`mdeanda: fooling around.`
`09:18.26`	`mdeanda`	`yeah.. but i notice smooth gradients on the mimetypes mostly`
`09:18.36`	`mdeanda`	`it may be a little inconsistent`
`09:19.12`	`mdeanda`	`nattfodd: how exactly?`
`09:19.12`	`Lanken`	`the console icon with a shell is a bit dithered, but there's a lot of color there.`
`09:20.12`	`nattfodd`	`mdeanda: well, it often stays unresponsive for several seconds, so I was wondering what exactly it was trying to do during that time`
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`09:20.21`	`nattfodd`	`I don't know, something like gprof`
`09:20.38`	`nattfodd`	`but since it's a complex piece of code, I wouldn't expect it to be very easy`
`09:20.45`	`mdeanda`	`did you happen to highlight text then type to replace it? i think that's been entered as a bug.. if not, i should enter it b/c i always get that`
`09:21.11`	`Shingoshi`	`What primary group should my non root user be? Right now, it's wheel.`
`09:21.23`	`mdeanda`	`isn't there a "users" group?`
`09:21.46`	`nattfodd`	`mdeanda: yes, among other things`
`09:21.55`	`nattfodd`	`but this one is really annoying me to hell`
`09:22.11`	`Shingoshi`	`Yes. I should set it to users?`
`09:22.35`	`mdeanda`	`Shingoshi: yeah. but i'm not sure that was the cause of your problem.. but you never know`
`09:22.42`	`mdeanda`	`nattfodd: what other things make it hang?`
`09:22.42`	`nattfodd`	`Shingoshi: wheel is to allow you to su as root`
`09:23.16`	`nattfodd`	`mdeanda: sometimes it hangs in the middle of a scroll, or when I click on a tab`
`09:23.24`	`nattfodd`	`creating a new tab is usually pretty slow as well`
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`09:23.54`	`mdeanda`	`nattfodd: yeah, that's something different.. i don't get that. have you tried starting konqueror from command line? maybe it's complaining about something`
`09:24.04`	`monzie`	`Hi all`
`09:24.04`	`Shingoshi`	`So should wheel be my secondary group?`
`09:24.34`	`mdeanda`	`nattfodd: i learned something new.. i didn't know that about the wheel group`
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`09:24.47`	`mdeanda`	`Shingoshi: all of my users are only in the users group`
`09:24.55`	`nattfodd`	`mdeanda: not when it hangs, at least`
`09:25.06`	`Shingoshi`	`I'll try that.`
`09:25.10`	`nattfodd`	`Shingoshi: there are no "primary" or "secondary" groups`
`09:25.27`	`nattfodd`	`there is just a list of groups of which you are part`
`09:26.34`	`mdeanda`	`nattfodd: there is a primary group in kde user edit thing.. its basically the group that new files will be assigned to by default`
`09:26.42`	`mdeanda`	`nattfodd: not sure of the correct terminology`
`09:26.50`	`Shingoshi`	`I am using webmin to config things.`
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`09:27.11`	`Shingoshi`	`It has primary and secondary groups for users.`
`09:27.19`	`nattfodd`	`mdeanda: right-click also does it: when I watch a movie, I'm used to right-clic, losing focus on mplayer, alt-tab to refocus the movie, watch a couple seconds of movies and then have the menu appear in konqueror...`
`09:27.37`	`nattfodd`	`ah, then I don't know about this, I don't use kde`
`09:28.15`	`Shingoshi`	`Aren't I in the kde channel? What do you mean you don't use kde?`
`09:28.29`	`nattfodd`	`Shingoshi: just that :) I'm only using konqueror`
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`09:28.46`	`nattfodd`	`but groups stuff shouldn't depend on kde`
`09:28.59`	`Shingoshi`	`You use konqueror without kde?`
`09:29.04`	`nattfodd`	`yes`
`09:29.37`	`Shingoshi`	`Is someone here familiar with what I need?`
`09:30.08`	`mdeanda`	`nattfodd: i think useradd calls this "inital_group" (reading man useradd)`
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`09:30.30`	`TehKewl1`	`xteddy, gimmie a beer`
`09:30.41`	`TehKewl1`	`:O`
`09:30.51`	`mdeanda`	`Shingoshi: i don't see why your users would need to be in any special groups to log into kde.`
`09:31.06`	`xtagon`	`Sorry for the noobish question, but I was messing with add/remove panels and accidently removed the top panel that has the time and stuff`
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`09:31.11`	`xtagon`	`How do I get it back?`
`09:31.20`	`mdeanda`	`xtagon: you have no panels left?`
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`09:31.26`	`xtagon`	`I have the bottom one`
`09:31.35`	`mdeanda`	`right click on it.. in an empty area`
`09:31.43`	`mdeanda`	`then add new panel.`
`09:31.46`	`Shingoshi`	`If I try to log into kde, the user gets no desktop.`
`09:31.56`	`annma`	`Shingoshi: is it a new install?`
`09:31.57`	`mdeanda`	`Shingoshi: what happend when you tried xfce earlier?`
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`09:32.07`	`annma`	`Shingoshi: it never worked?`
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`09:32.16`	`Shingoshi`	`never`
`09:32.25`	`mdeanda`	`andrunko: he's logged in as root only :O`
`09:32.26`	`annma`	`did you ask in your distro channel?`
`09:32.29`	`xtagon`	`Ok well the one I want isn't in the Add Panel menu`
`09:32.42`	`annma`	`what kind of distro does not create a user?`
`09:32.50`	`mdeanda`	`xtagon: it may have been a normal panel, with stuff added to it.`
`09:32.52`	`Shingoshi`	`I download the new xfce. Let me try the old one first. I need to log out first.`
`09:32.56`	`mdeanda`	`try adding the panel..`
`09:33.00`	`mdeanda`	`then add applets to it`
`09:33.11`	`xtagon`	`:-/ which applets?`
`09:33.14`	`annma`	`Shingoshi: distro???`
`09:33.24`	`Shingoshi`	`Logging out. Slackware.`
`09:33.25`	`mdeanda`	`xtagon: whatever was on it.. i'm not sure what you had..`
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`09:33.38`	`annma`	`ah bah`
`09:33.39`	`mdeanda`	`you mentioned a clock.. there is a clock applet`
`09:33.45`	`xtagon`	`Ok`
`09:33.57`	`mdeanda`	`Shingoshi: slackware 11?`
`09:34.08`	`Shingoshi`	`annma: See my answer? Yes 11.0`
`09:34.10`	`mdeanda`	`i'm using that.. never had any problems with users..`
`09:34.31`	`annma`	`Shingoshi: I have no idea how slackware works`
`09:34.31`	`mdeanda`	`you may also want to create a new user.. and test with that.. to make sure its not some strange setings causing problems`
`09:34.41`	`Shingoshi`	`Telling me how you have never had a problems does nothing for me.`
`09:34.43`	`annma`	`yes, crreate a new user`
`09:35.08`	`annma`	`try starting KDE from terminal`
`09:35.13`	`annma`	`with new user`
`09:35.13`	`mdeanda`	`my point is that it shouldn't need any special configuration. not sure if you realize it.. but i'm trying to help you`
`09:35.20`	`annma`	`see the output thne`
`09:35.23`	`annma`	`then`
`09:35.45`	`annma`	`Shingoshi: create a new user, make it start kde from terminal; see what is the output`
`09:36.03`	`annma`	`report after doing that please`
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`09:36.45`	`Shingoshi`	`I understand that. But this is not an issue of if you've had the problem. Sorry, I am just very frustrated. Been at this all night!`
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`09:37.05`	`annma`	`Shingoshi: see what I wrote? please do it!`
`09:37.28`	`xtagon`	`Ok... so I created a new panel and found all the applets it had before, but now I can't get the panel to the top of the screen. I tried right-click>configure panel but that positiond the OTHER panel, for some reason.`
`09:37.31`	`annma`	`the problem is that #slackware is not a helpful channel`
`09:37.44`	`mdeanda`	`xtagon: you should be able to just drag it.`
`09:38.00`	`xtagon`	`Heh, thanks.`
`09:38.05`	`mdeanda`	`Shingoshi: for slackware questions, usenet is better. but it takes long`
`09:38.25`	`mdeanda`	`xtagon: you can also right click on the panel, then lock it.. to prevent yourself from removing it ;)`
`09:39.03`	`xtagon`	`Ok thanks. So now I still want to change its size, which I can't, because right clicking and selecting configure panel will configure the bottom one.`
`09:39.48`	`mdeanda`	`xtagon: they seemed to have changed that a little since last time i used it.. i assuming you're using kde 3.5.6`
`09:40.08`	`xtagon`	`Yes`
`09:40.21`	`mdeanda`	`what if you right click - configure on the top panel? maybe taht configure dialog is specific to the one you clicked on?`
`09:40.37`	`xtagon`	`That's the way I've been doing it :-/`
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`09:41.16`	`mdeanda`	`xtagon: omg you're right! i think its a bug! hehe`
`09:41.21`	`xtagon`	`Heh`
`09:41.31`	`xtagon`	`Well, it's a bug I really don't like :-/`
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`09:41.52`	`xtagon`	`Thanks for helping me though :)`
`09:42.01`	`mars^`	`Hi i downloaded glass icons, and i wnder how can i chcnge system icons manually?`
`09:42.20`	`mdeanda`	`xtagon:`
`09:42.25`	`mdeanda`	`xtagon: i figured it out`
`09:42.37`	`xtagon`	`Eh?`
`09:42.43`	`mdeanda`	`xtagon: if you go to control center, then desktop, then panels..`
`09:42.55`	`mdeanda`	`it'll show you the drop down like older versions of kde.`
`09:44.03`	`mdeanda`	`mars^: i think before it was a symlink in $KDE_HOME/share/icons`
`09:44.04`	`xtagon`	`Ahh, thanks :)`
`09:44.06`	`Lanken`	`do the kde artwork people have a channel?`
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`09:46.49`	`mdeanda`	`Shingoshi: any results?`
`09:51.43`	`annma`	`Shingoshi: yes, I was also about to ask?`
`09:52.00`	`mars^`	`$KDE_HOME- ?`
`09:52.12`	`annma`	`$KDEHOME`
`09:52.30`	`annma`	`Shingoshi: did you try a new user in kde?`
`09:53.21`	`mdeanda`	`mars^: i guess $KDEDIR, sorry`
`09:53.52`	`mdeanda`	`but that is a global change, requiring root... there may be a similar folder in $HOME/.kde/...`
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`09:55.27`	`Lanken`	`mdeanda: I finished the 'system' icon, if you want the other sizes.`
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`10:01.00`	`mdeanda`	`Lanken: nah, i'm not sure i'm going to use classic for that long. may want to try to submit it to become a part of the iconset.`
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`10:01.43`	`Lanken`	`since I ripped off a gnome icon to make it, it's probably not a good candidate. The perspective is wrong for fitting in with that set, and I haven't added a shadow.`
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`10:01.50`	`Lanken`	`so I won't submit it.`
`10:01.54`	`aditsu`	`hi, I recently installed gentoo linux on an IBM T43, and when I try to start X, the computer completely hangs (except the mouse cursor) while kde is loading the desktop, any idea how to debug/fix it?`
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`10:03.44`	`mdeanda`	`aditsu: i think i had a similar problem with my laptop before... can you log into xfce or gnome or something without it hanging?`
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`10:04.21`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: I haven't install any other window manager`
`10:04.41`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: the system works fine as long as I don't start X (or kdm)`
`10:05.39`	`mdeanda`	`you may want to try it. anyway, this is what happened with me, starting kde would hang my system, but other wm's didn't. i then tried to figure out what apps started when kde started.. then i found one that did (i'll see if i can remember the name). anyway, i removed the config file for that app and it made kde work again. it eventually broke again a few months later, but that's probably another story. :)`
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`10:05.58`	`mdeanda`	`aditsu: well in my case, i think kdm was working fine.`
`10:06.37`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: I disabled XSESSION and ran startx; it was fine, but after I closed all (3) terminals, it hanged again :(`
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`10:07.04`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: so maybe it's not a kde issue`
`10:07.14`	`mdeanda`	`do you have an ati card?`
`10:07.36`	`mdeanda`	`aditsu: ^`
`10:07.37`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: yes, and a somewhat strange one`
`10:08.30`	`mdeanda`	`ahh.. i've recently reinstall slackware on my machine.. i think the newer ati drivers make my computer hang.. i notice it sometimes hange when i start x, then try to switch to another vt, or close x. it kinda works right now.. but its very fragile.`
`10:09.07`	`mdeanda`	`you may want to use the vesa driver for a little to verify that its not the video card driver`
`10:10.07`	`annma`	`it's probably a X setting`
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`10:10.31`	`Jucato`	`annma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
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`10:10.36`	`Jucato`	`oops too many !'s`
`10:10.42`	`mdeanda`	`annma: probably. i found that... lol.`
`10:10.45`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: ATI M22 [Radeon Mobility M300], Subsystem: IBM Unknown device 056e`
`10:10.58`	`annma`	`hi Jucato`
`10:11.20`	`mdeanda`	`annma: i found that making kdm restart between logins was a terrible idea.. it crashed my system. but i totally blame that on the ati drivers :) it doesn't class like this when i use vesa.`
`10:11.23`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: vesa? in xorg.conf?`
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`10:11.27`	`mdeanda`	`yeah`
`10:12.09`	`mdeanda`	`i'm back to using fglrx, but alt+ctrl+backspace crashes my system.. see there it goes.. i just verified :)`
`10:12.33`	`Jucato`	`wth? MDE! O.o`
`10:12.58`	`mdeanda`	`huh?`
`10:13.08`	`Jucato`	`still reading...`
`10:13.50`	`Jucato`	`Mozilla Desktop Environment http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5921.html`
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`10:14.36`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: it says it can't find vesa, but I compiled it in the kernel`
`10:14.37`	`mdeanda`	`how do i reopen a bug in bugs.kde?`
`10:14.53`	`Jucato`	`you can't. only authorized personnel can :)`
`10:14.58`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: does it _have_ to be a module?`
`10:15.05`	`annma`	`mdeanda: bug number?`
`10:15.08`	`Jucato`	`ask in #kde-bugs or some kde devel here :)`
`10:15.09`	`bjweeks`	`dumb question: is there any way to do the middle mouse scroll in konq?`
`10:15.14`	`Jucato`	`oh maybe annma can :)`
`10:15.20`	`mdeanda`	`Jucato: can i "suggest" it be reopened? it was marked as "worksforme"`
`10:15.22`	`annma`	`mdeanda: I can if I reproduce it`
`10:15.29`	`mdeanda`	`http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137851`
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`10:15.53`	`marten`	`good morning`
`10:15.57`	`Jucato`	`bjweeks: you mean clicking on the mousewheel/middle button and getting a circle w/ arrows? aka smooth scrolling?`
`10:16.17`	`bjweeks`	`Jucato: oh, that's what smooth scrolling is... yes`
`10:16.28`	`mdeanda`	`annma: if you read above, xtagon had this problem, and i kinda verified it :)`
`10:16.54`	`Jucato`	`bjweeks: Konqueror Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Web Behavior options -> uncheck [ ] Middle click opens URL in selection`
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`10:17.12`	`Jucato`	`although you'd be disabling a very useful feature, imho`
`10:17.21`	`annma`	`mdeanda: I cannot verify`
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`10:17.39`	`mdeanda`	`how odd. :(`
`10:17.40`	`annma`	`mdeanda: right clicking on any panel gives me the configure dialog for that panel`
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`10:17.54`	`mdeanda`	`try changing the size, then apply`
`10:18.09`	`bjweeks`	`Jucato: you can't have both? one can dream`
`10:18.21`	`Jucato`	`bjweeks: let me try something`
`10:18.37`	`marten`	`I'm trying to emerge kdelibs-9999.4, and I get this error: http://server.w4eg.de/build.log`
`10:18.42`	`marten`	`can anyone help me please?`
`10:18.59`	`annma`	`I can change the size to both`
`10:19.27`	`annma`	`mdeanda: each one has its own settings dialog which is applied properly`
`10:19.31`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: btw, I have another laptop with a Mobility Radeon 9600 M10, RV350, and it works perfectly well`
`10:19.34`	`mdeanda`	`can i make a video of me doing it? hehe.. it totally happens 100% of the time for me.`
`10:19.44`	`Jucato`	`bjweeks: ah ok. middle-clicking on a page to open a URL in the selection on the same page/tab is the one that's disabled. you can still middle click on an empty space in the tab bar to open the URL in the selection on a new tab`
`10:19.48`	`annma`	`is it a panel?`
`10:19.54`	`mdeanda`	`yup.`
`10:20.04`	`annma`	`mdeanda: I added a panel`
`10:20.08`	`mdeanda`	`and by default it adds it right above my default panel.`
`10:20.11`	`annma`	`I now have 2`
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`10:20.14`	`mdeanda`	`then i drag it to top`
`10:20.24`	`mdeanda`	`then i right click on top one, select configure..`
`10:20.27`	`annma`	`I used the config dialog to put it on top`
`10:20.30`	`mdeanda`	`not sure the empty, and dragging matter`
`10:20.37`	`bjweeks`	`Jucato: with the setting off it is just like firefox, thanks!`
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`10:20.55`	`Jucato`	`ok.. :)`
`10:20.57`	`mdeanda`	`no the dialog from control center right, the one from right clicking? it doesn't seem to have the dropdown to select panels`
`10:21.38`	`Jucato`	`mdeanda: ah that's a bug. you need to restart kicker to update it`
`10:21.47`	`Jucato`	`dcop kicker kicker restart`
`10:22.10`	`annma`	`when I right click I have the dialog for THAT panel`
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`10:22.20`	`mdeanda`	`aditsu: yeah, mine used to work before.. now i'm having lots of problems, i can't remember which kernel/driver versions i had, but i'm also having problems with acpi on that machine right now, so these problems may be just for me. i thought there was a chance you had them to, symptoms seemed similar`
`10:22.31`	`annma`	`mdeanda: I right click on 1 panel -> it configures THAT panel`
`10:22.31`	`Jucato`	`annma: if you add or remove another panel, the configuration box doesn't really get updated all the time`
`10:22.40`	`annma`	`Jucato: ?`
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`10:22.55`	`Jucato`	`unless aseigo managed to fix it in branches`
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`10:23.09`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: so how do I get vesa to work?`
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`10:23.55`	`mdeanda`	`aditsu: i just changed the driver for the video card to vesa. ati's proprietary driver is fglrx`
`10:24.07`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: it complains it can't find the module vesa`
`10:24.16`	`mdeanda`	`annma: lemme check again on my other machine, its currently running stock slackware 11.`
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`10:24.22`	`Jucato`	`annma: I asked aseigo about it. he's aware of the bug but afaik he doesn't know what's causing it`
`10:24.25`	`annma`	`I run KDE stock`
`10:24.33`	`mdeanda`	`Jucato: my bug?`
`10:24.39`	`annma`	`maybe it's in dragging then`
`10:24.55`	`annma`	`using config menus works here for each panel`
`10:25.00`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: does it _have_ to be compiled as a module?`
`10:25.20`	`annma`	`maybe there's something special to do`
`10:25.35`	`mdeanda`	`stock slack11 has kde 3.5.4, this one shows the drop down when i right click-configue the new panel. that change must have happened after this version`
`10:25.45`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: how would I get in touch with the maintainers of the kdeclassic icon set?`
`10:25.48`	`Jucato`	`annma: try removing a panel and see if the dropdown list in the Configuration dialog is updated and has removed the panel from the list`
`10:25.50`	`annma`	`what is this drop down?`
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`10:26.01`	`annma`	`I cannot see this drop down list`
`10:26.08`	`annma`	`tell me how to see it`
`10:26.15`	`Jucato`	`annma: the one on the top of the Arrangement options in the Panel Configuration dialog`
`10:26.28`	`Jucato`	`right-click panel -> Configure panel -> at the very top`
`10:26.32`	`mdeanda`	`if you goto control center, desktop, panels, there is an extra drop down.. "settings for [main pane \| panel]"`
`10:27.02`	`Jucato`	`annma: if you have 2 panels and you don't see that dropdown list, then you're experiencing the bug :)`
`10:27.05`	`annma`	`ah so you change the other panel options`
`10:27.05`	`mdeanda`	`but in that but report, somebody responded that the setting was removed a long time ago.. is 3.5.4 that old? b/c the setting wasn't removed there`
`10:27.25`	`Jucato`	`annma: you can pick from the dropdown list which panel you want to affect`
`10:27.25`	`annma`	`what i always do is change the panel I right click on`
`10:27.35`	`mdeanda`	`is there a way to record stuff i do on my desktop? i can show you like that`
`10:27.51`	`mdeanda`	`annma: yeah, you seem to be doing the right steps, but it does seem to work for you`
`10:27.52`	`Jucato`	`annma: the problem is that if, for example, you add a new panel, when previously you only have one, the configuration only sees one panel (the main panel) and changes that`
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`10:29.11`	`annma`	`trying to play with 3 panels`
`10:29.12`	`Jucato`	`https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136781 <-- same bug (I commented on this one)`
`10:29.29`	`annma`	`there must be a trigger for the bug`
`10:29.58`	`Jucato`	`annma: there is. try removing one of the panels and you'll still get 3 panels in the dropdown list we mentioned`
`10:30.20`	`annma`	`with the dialog still open you mean?`
`10:30.27`	`Jucato`	`even if you close it`
`10:30.36`	`mdeanda`	`its odd that getting to that screen via control center wouldn't have this problem though`
`10:30.48`	`annma`	`I get 2 panels now`
`10:31.21`	`annma`	`keeping the dialog open updates it as well`
`10:31.33`	`annma`	`very difficult to reproduce`
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`10:32.12`	`Jucato`	`mdeanda: what distro are you on?`
`10:32.17`	`mdeanda`	`slackware`
`10:32.56`	`mdeanda`	`my install has grown a little screwy. i can update my laptop, its currently running a stock slack 11 with kde 3.5.4.`
`10:32.57`	`Jucato`	`ah at least I know it's not Kubuntu :)`
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`10:33.36`	`aditsu`	`mdeanda: I guess you're too busy`
`10:33.40`	`Jucato`	`<aseigo>Jucato: as for the config dialog bug, yeah, i'm not sure wtf is going on. it uses dcop to communicate these things and for whatever reason it doesn't work anymore, intermittently...`
`10:33.45`	`Jucato`	`annma, mdeanda ^^`
`10:33.53`	`annma`	`dragging main kicker back is difficult as it's full so on the sides I have trouble dragging it`
`10:33.54`	`Lanken`	`can noatun shuffle+`
`10:33.57`	`Lanken`	`?`
`10:33.59`	`Jucato`	`ah keyword "intermittently" :D`
`10:34.10`	`Jucato`	`<aseigo>Jucato: i suppose that since the dialog is in-process i could just make direct calls as well as use dcop shrug`
`10:35.01`	`annma`	`in any case i don't think it"s worth spending valuable time on that`
`10:35.25`	`annma`	`aseigo is away this week then we need him for kde4`
`10:35.42`	`mdeanda`	`yeah. i was just going to report it b/c i ran into helping somebody earlier.. then i noticed it was closed as "worksforme".. etc..`
`10:35.47`	`annma`	`it seems to have improved in DKE 3.5.6>`
`10:35.55`	`Jucato`	`given how many times I've seen questions related to that bug, I'd beg to disagree that it's not worth the time :(`
`10:36.03`	`mdeanda`	`hehe`
`10:36.12`	`annma`	`Jucato: then someone has to submit a patch`
`10:36.22`	`annma`	`it's not worth aseigo time`
`10:36.34`	`Jucato`	`january 25, 2007 to be exact...`
`10:36.40`	`mdeanda`	`will there be another release before kde4? maybe its worth the trouble to put the dropdown back in? assuming it is removed for newer versions and its not a bug that keeps it from showing`
`10:36.51`	`annma`	`the dropdown is there`
`10:37.05`	`mdeanda`	`ic.`
`10:37.07`	`annma`	`I have it when I have a second panel`
`10:37.22`	`mdeanda`	`ahh.. so its "smart", how smart of the devs. :)`
`10:37.30`	`annma`	`when I remove all additional panels the dropdown is removed as well`
`10:37.43`	`Jucato`	`yes the dropdown is there. and sometimes it works. but sometimes it doesn't. and when it doesn't, some people panic... although most people will reboot to fix it anyway..`
`10:37.54`	`mdeanda`	`lol..`
`10:37.58`	`annma`	`restart kde you mean`
`10:38.03`	`Jucato`	`no. I mean reboot`
`10:38.05`	`mdeanda`	`we've been trained by m$ :)`
`10:38.08`	`Jucato`	`that's how clueless they are`
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`10:38.40`	`Jucato`	`but btw, the kicker context menu seems to be updated (Remove Panel ->) even if the configuration dialog isn't updated`
`10:39.00`	`annma`	`guys, I only tested with 'panel'`
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`10:39.11`	`annma`	`Jucato: I see external panel on your bug report`
`10:39.28`	`Jucato`	`it's not my bug report. but it also happens on regular panels`
`10:39.41`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: I don't reboot any more. It makes my hardware clock misbehave. X_X`
`10:39.55`	`annma`	`you added expressely external panel or child panel`
`10:40.04`	`Lanken`	`have to fix it with ntpdate and hwclock --systohc`
`10:40.07`	`Jucato`	`child panel = regular panel afaik`
`10:40.16`	`uludag`	`where is the pardus channel`
`10:40.41`	`annma`	`ok anyway tried with external taskbar`
`10:41.48`	`Jucato`	`but you're probably right... it's probably not worth that much time/effort to fix... there are other bigger bugs out there...`
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`10:42.01`	`Jucato`	`it's just that sometimes, little ones like these really bite...`
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`10:45.47`	`mdeanda`	`hey guys, i've gotta go to bed (4am here) but is there some way to download a ready to test and easy to update virutal machine (qemu or whatever) that i can use to test kde4? i'd also want to be able to update it and rebuild`
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`10:46.11`	`Jucato`	`mdeanda: you don't need vmware...`
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`10:46.18`	`Jucato`	`http://techbase.kde.org`
`10:47.05`	`mdeanda`	`ooh, never seen this site before.. that's keep me busy at work tomorrow. thanks!`
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`10:55.37`	`mars^`	`Hi I made second panel on desktop but i cant configure it`
`10:55.51`	`logixoul`	`use kcontrol separately`
`10:55.55`	`logixoul`	`known bug`
`10:56.07`	`mars^`	`logixoul: how?`
`10:56.18`	`Jucato`	`annma: ^^^ :D`
`10:56.23`	`Jucato`	`mars^: restart kicker`
`10:56.30`	`Jucato`	`alt+f2, dcop kicker kicker restart`
`10:56.37`	`logixoul`	`mars^: run kcontrol and navigate to desktop->panels`
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`10:57.03`	`logixoul`	`mars^: you can choose the currently configured panel in the dropdown in the top`
`10:57.35`	`mars^`	`oh yes i can`
`10:57.38`	`mars^`	`thank you`
`10:57.43`	`logixoul`	`np`
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`10:59.26`	`mars^`	`where can i manually change icons?`
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`11:00.06`	`spawn57`	`in system settings`
`11:00.12`	`demiurge`	`Morning, Could anyone tell me how it is kde assigns drive icons?`
`11:00.40`	`logixoul`	`mars^: you can drag and drop to the panel`
`11:00.41`	`spawn57`	`ahhhhhhhh`
`11:00.47`	`logixoul`	`mars^: you can also use its context menu`
`11:01.29`	`mars^`	`I mean system icons`
`11:01.41`	`logixoul`	`you want a different icon theme?`
`11:01.42`	`demiurge`	`The reason I ask is some mounted items have icons while others are still just a folder icon.`
`11:01.49`	`logixoul`	`mars^: kcontrol->appearance->icons`
`11:02.27`	`Jucato`	`demiurge: that's a Kubuntu-only thing too`
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`11:02.34`	`mars^`	`Yes but then i need to show icon theme`
`11:02.44`	`Jucato`	`they created a patch for it`
`11:02.49`	`logixoul`	`mars^: you can download one from kde-look.org`
`11:03.14`	`mars^`	`I did i have glassy icons and howto says i have to set them manually`
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`11:03.33`	`demiurge`	`Granting that, I know I could use a .directory file as a work around however, this can not be done on RO file systems. That being what I'm hitting my head aginst the wall about.`
`11:03.57`	`logixoul`	`mars^: what did you mean by "show icon theme" then¿`
`11:03.59`	`logixoul`	`err ?`
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`11:05.08`	`mars^`	`logixoul: sorry eng is not my native language`
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`11:05.36`	`demiurge`	`Jucato: Good call on the kubuntu fact. Long and short of it is I can't get mountISO to work correctly and it does more then I want anyway so I am creating my own. All works great say for the icons...`
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`11:05.53`	`logixoul`	`mars^: no problem, but I don't understand your problem yet ;)`
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`11:06.43`	`logixoul`	`mars^: you could try explaining it again.`
`11:06.54`	`mars^`	`logixoul: I downloaded icons from kde-look. How To (of these icons) says i have to set tem manually. So how can i set manually system icons like shutdown, folder`
`11:07.42`	`Jucato`	`demiurge: hm.. ok.. don't know about mountiso... but the reason why it's displaying folders for unmounted mount points is because they really are folder, you are in /media, not in media:/. so unmounted, they're really just empty folders`
`11:07.47`	`Jucato`	`it's not like the media:/ kioslave`
`11:08.20`	`Jucato`	`demiurge: you might have better luck asking in #kubuntu-devel to know what they did... or something...`
`11:09.49`	`logixoul`	`mars^: the only "setting up" icon themes require is kcontrol->appearance->icons->Install New Theme`
`11:09.51`	`demiurge`	`Jucato: Thank you, that's the best information I have been given and yes unmounted they are just folders. I am trying to get to the bottom of how kubuntu is tweaking the mime types and giving the folders while mounted icons.`
`11:10.12`	`logixoul`	`mars^: unless it also bundles a script, in which case you should run it as instructed in the howto`
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`11:13.43`	`Linracoon`	`the file libmpeg.la from kdemultimedia is a development file?`
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`11:16.30`	`Ze_M`	`Linracoon: dont know but im asking in devel channel`
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`11:16.57`	`logixoul`	`Linracoon: what do you mean by "development file"?`
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`11:19.06`	`logixoul`	`they specify stuff about a library for libtool I think`
`11:19.10`	`Renze`	`.so files are libraries (shared objects) - .la files are used by libtool when linking`
`11:19.11`	`logixoul`	`not sure how`
`11:19.38`	`Linracoon`	`Jucato: but in this case there arent libmpeg.so, thats why im asking`
`11:20.15`	`Linracoon`	`Renze: how is possible to know is a file is for development? with ldd?`
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`11:20.31`	`Renze`	`Linracoon: .la files are plain text... try reading it`
`11:20.57`	`annma`	`Linracoon: is it generated from kdemultimedia?`
`11:21.14`	`annma`	`or is it an poutside KDE lib?`
`11:21.46`	`Linracoon`	`ldd /usr/lib/libmpeg.la not a dynamic executable`
`11:21.54`	`Renze`	`Linracoon: .la files are plain text... try reading it`
`11:22.06`	`Linracoon`	`Renze: so isnt a development file`
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`11:22.20`	`Renze`	`Linracoon: read it... you will see what it is for`
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`11:22.37`	`Renze`	`it is commented, even`
`11:22.43`	`Linracoon`	`# libmpeg.la - a libtool library file`
`11:22.43`	`Linracoon`	`# Generated by ltmain.sh - GNU libtool 1.5a (1.1240 2003/06/26 06:55:19)`
`11:22.44`	`annma`	`what do you call development files Linracoon?`
`11:22.48`	`Linracoon`	`# Please DO NOT delete this file!`
`11:22.48`	`Linracoon`	`# It is necessary for linking the library.`
`11:23.03`	`Renze`	`don't paste it here, you'll get your ass kicked`
`11:23.08`	`Linracoon`	`annma: that are linked ith other files`
`11:23.26`	`xtagon`	`I don't know when this started happening, but now when a new window pops open it wont automaticly be focused. Anybody know how to fix this?`
`11:23.30`	`annma`	`it's a lib yes`
`11:23.37`	`Renze`	`Linracoon: the .la file is never linked with anything... it is purely informational`
`11:23.37`	`Linracoon`	`Renze: so is a library and not a develop file`
`11:23.40`	`annma`	`.la files are libs that used to be linked`
`11:23.51`	`Renze`	`Linracoon: no, it is not a library... it is information for libtool`
`11:24.14`	`annma`	`yes`
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`11:24.29`	`xtagon`	`:-/`
`11:24.30`	`Linracoon`	`Renze: now im confused, so is for develop?`
`11:24.40`	`tue`	`is there a krita-related chanel?`
`11:24.57`	`Renze`	`Linracoon: yes, it is used when compiling something that needs to link against libmpeg`
`11:25.12`	`Linracoon`	`Renze: so its a development file`
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`11:25.30`	`Jucato`	`tue: #koffice`
`11:25.34`	`Renze`	`Linracoon: depends on your definition of "development file"`
`11:26.07`	`Jucato`	`Mez: <mdeanda> Jucato: thanks for pointing me to katapult.. its great!`
`11:26.13`	`Jucato`	`oops wrong channel..`
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`11:29.06`	`Ze_M`	`Renze: whats your definition of "development file"?`
`11:29.20`	`Renze`	`Ze_M: I don't have one... I don't use that particular phrase`
`11:29.25`	`Linracoon`	`well thanks all`
`11:30.37`	`Ze_M`	`Renze: you know there are files that are only for development...`
`11:31.00`	`Renze`	`Ze_M: yes, but I don't think of them in that way`
`11:31.09`	`annma`	`Ze_M: is it for packaging your rpm then?`
`11:31.22`	`Ze_M`	`annma: hu?`
`11:31.35`	`annma`	`hu?`
`11:31.40`	`Ze_M`	`annma: i didnt asked any for me`
`11:31.53`	`annma`	`so why did you ask in #kde-devel?`
`11:32.44`	`Ze_M`	`annma: was trying to get a straight answer for linracoon from a kde developer`
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`11:33.53`	`annma`	`do you know linracoon?`
`11:34.22`	`Mez`	`Jucato, trying for pimp of the week again ?`
`11:34.58`	`Ze_M`	`annma: why do you ask that?`
`11:35.48`	`logixoul`	`lol`
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`11:43.11`	`Renze`	`oh well, bedtime for Renze's`
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`11:43.41`	`lostson`	`way too early for bedtime`
`11:43.53`	`Renze`	`timezones, dude... timezones`
`11:44.09`	`lostson`	`time is irrelavant`
`11:44.19`	`Renze`	`darkness is relevant`
`11:45.06`	`lostson`	`nevertheless sleep well`
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`11:57.11`	`kok`	`Hi, where can i change kMenu icon?`
`11:57.32`	`annma`	`Ze_M: because I guessed`
`11:58.23`	`annma`	`kok: look in the FAQ please`
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`11:58.48`	`annma`	`~kdeicon`
`11:59.00`	`annma`	`hmmm Jucato help!`
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`12:12.16`	`Sho_`	`~kmenu`
`12:12.26`	`apt`	`Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbfx`
`12:12.31`	`Sho_`	`annma: ^`
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`12:15.13`	`annma`	`ah kmenu`
`12:15.31`	`annma`	`thanks! I try to memorize it`
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`12:17.55`	`StratWork`	`I used to have icons on my desktop for my external hard drive I plugged in via USB. I bought a new enclosure for the same drive to use eSATA and changed my udev rules to make the appropriate symlinks like before..but now, I don't get desktop icons for the hard drive`
`12:17.59`	`StratWork`	`Anyone know how to get them back?`
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`12:18.50`	`monzie`	`hi all`
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`12:19.12`	`lostson`	`StratWork: did you turn off desktop icons in Kcontrol`
`12:19.12`	`monzie`	`I tried synciing kaddressbook with OpenXchange`
`12:19.24`	`monzie`	`it is now crashing..`
`12:19.38`	`StratWork`	`No`
`12:19.46`	`annma`	`it never worked monzie?`
`12:19.51`	`StratWork`	`lostson, I still have other icons..like for my NFS share`
`12:19.53`	`monzie`	`and taking along any application which embeds it .. like Kontact`
`12:20.03`	`monzie`	`annma: nope, it never worked.`
`12:20.10`	`monzie`	`annma: still want to adapt me ? :)`
`12:20.18`	`monzie`	`sorry , adopt`
`12:20.25`	`StratWork`	`lostson, I didn't change any KDE config at all`
`12:20.39`	`monzie`	`rm -frv kabc does not help too`
`12:20.40`	`lostson`	`StratWork: weird`
`12:20.46`	`lostson`	`\maybe create one`
`12:20.49`	`StratWork`	`lostson, I thought so too heh`
`12:21.03`	`StratWork`	`But..will I be able to mount and unmount and such like I did before if I just create a shortcut?`
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`12:21.22`	`StratWork`	`Wait a sec..this looks promising`
`12:21.36`	`annma`	`monzie: sure, when you are millionaire`
`12:21.50`	`monzie`	`annma: am still working on the kde4 book!`
`12:22.00`	`monzie`	`this is the log of the crash:`
`12:22.01`	`monzie`	`http://rafb.net/p/UtWdrZ84.html`
`12:22.01`	`StratWork`	`lostson, cool..I just remade it`
`12:22.14`	`monzie`	`could someone please tell me how zap kaddressbook's config ?`
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`12:23.36`	`monzie`	`is rm -fr .kde my only option?`
`12:24.01`	`Jucato`	`annma: sorry I was busy eating :)`
`12:24.19`	`monzie`	`Jucato: i know !`
`12:24.21`	`annma`	`monzie: NO`
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`12:24.28`	`annma`	`monzie: NEVER rm -Rf .kde`
`12:24.34`	`annma`	`back it up!`
`12:24.44`	`monzie`	`annma: i've done it many times when i have screwed up my kde`
`12:24.47`	`monzie`	`annma: ok`
`12:24.56`	`monzie`	`annma: how do i remove my config then?`
`12:25.30`	`annma`	`cp -R .kde .kde.old`
`12:25.34`	`Jucato`	`kabcrc - is that the one for kaddressbook?`
`12:25.40`	`annma`	`or something similar`
`12:25.51`	`Jucato`	`coz I have a kab2kabcr also..`
`12:26.00`	`Jucato`	`kab2kabcrc I mean`
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`12:26.44`	`monzie`	`Jucato: deleted the file. still crashing`
`12:27.12`	`monzie`	`Jucato: LDAP sync is very very buggy, it should be marked as such`
`12:27.16`	`Jucato`	`how about mv'ing one of the ~/.kde/share/apps/ directory for kabc?`
`12:28.26`	`monzie`	`rm kresources_kabc_sloxrc`
`12:28.31`	`monzie`	`is the command that did it`
`12:28.54`	`monzie`	`cause i was using trying to sync to the Suse OX server`
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`12:54.47`	`ppranav`	`hi everybody`
`12:55.19`	`ppranav`	`can i take the backup of my kde start menu ? in other words, where is it stored ?`
`12:56.00`	`kwark`	`somewhere in $home/.kde/ ... :)`
`12:56.19`	`ppranav`	`kwark, :)`
`12:56.20`	`kwark`	`try to grep for something specific`
`12:56.25`	`ppranav`	`but where exactly ?`
`12:56.43`	`Jucato`	`actually it would be in /etc/xdg/menus/ and ~/.config/menus/ iirc`
`12:57.36`	`kwark`	`ppranav: I don't know, but create an entry with 'zzzzzzzz123' name , save it and try to grep`
`12:58.18`	`kwark`	`ppranav: the grep should find the file`
`12:58.51`	`ppranav`	`kwark, gr8 idea !!`
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`12:59.16`	`kwark`	`ppranav: np :)`
`13:00.17`	`Jucato`	`I guess not... :(`
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`13:03.03`	`ppranav`	`Jucato, thanks, i see the entry in that file`
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`13:03.16`	`ppranav`	`Jucato, but what i actually want is the command..`
`13:03.41`	`Jucato`	`um... cp?`
`13:03.53`	`Jucato`	`there's no "backup this menu" command or button`
`13:04.55`	`ppranav`	`Jucato, i mean i want the command associated with that entry`
`13:05.24`	`ppranav`	`the situation is : i have the backup of my old $HOME i want to restore a couple of entries into the kde menu from that backup`
`13:06.41`	`kwark`	`ppranav: cp ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu menu.backup later copy it back and eventualy delete unnececery entries`
`13:07.19`	`Jucato`	`afaik, there is no single file that contains both the menu layout and the individual entries. the .menu files specifies which category of apps go where. The categories are found on the .desktop files for each app, sort of like tags`
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`13:07.42`	`Jucato`	`it's a FreeDesktop.org standard thingy (afaik)`
`13:07.57`	`ppranav`	`Jucato,`
`13:08.01`	`ppranav`	`Jucato, thanks !!`
`13:08.03`	`ppranav`	`got it`
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`13:08.12`	`Jucato`	`you did? :O`
`13:08.32`	`ppranav`	`did a find and found the .desktop file for that entry`
`13:08.42`	`ppranav`	`its a plaintext with my command in it :)`
`13:09.07`	`Jucato`	`yeah. .desktop files are all plain texts`
`13:09.15`	`ppranav`	`Jucato, fortunately :)`
`13:09.23`	`Jucato`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:09.35`	`Jucato`	`with $KDEDIR usually being /usr and $KDEHOME usually being ~/.kde`
`13:09.56`	`Jucato`	`(unfortunately I don't write as technically clear, efficient, and poetically as Sho_...)`
`13:09.56`	`ppranav`	`found mine in $HOME/.local/share/applications/*.desktop`
`13:10.09`	`Jucato`	`er sorry about the $KDEHOME :P`
`13:10.22`	`Jucato`	`yeah it's in .local/share/....`
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`13:10.47`	`ppranav`	`*trying`
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`13:11.33`	`ppranav`	`got to go ...`
`13:11.39`	`Jucato`	`bye`
`13:11.54`	`ppranav`	`thanks very much Jucato and kwark for the help !!`
`13:12.02`	`ppranav`	`bbye :-h`
`13:12.05`	`Jucato`	`np :)`
`13:12.06`	`ppranav`	`cya`
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`13:25.46`	`annma`	`Shingoshi: so, did you set your new user?`
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`13:27.59`	`Shingoshi`	`I logged in with xfce. But still frustrated. Too many apps are unavailable as user.`
`13:29.54`	`Shingoshi`	`I couldn't use my irc in xfce.`
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`13:30.12`	`annma`	`so it's not a KDE problem but a global install problem Shingoshi`
`13:30.19`	`annma`	`ask in #slackware`
`13:30.44`	`Shingoshi`	`Yes. Do it later. Now going to bed.`
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`13:43.58`	`tuxick`	`nice, my internetbanking.asp hangs konqueror`
`13:44.17`	`annma`	`set konq as another browser`
`13:44.38`	`annma`	`trick your internetbanking!!!`
`13:44.46`	`Jucato`	`:D`
`13:44.57`	`tuxick`	`think that's why it hangs now`
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`13:47.16`	`Alethes`	`I've had so many issues using konq as my browser, I had to give up on it and just tweak firefox like crazy to integrate into kde better`
`13:47.45`	`annma`	`my firefox looks like konq`
`13:47.48`	`tuxick`	`konqueror isn't the issue`
`13:47.59`	`annma`	`those websites are just stupid`
`13:48.00`	`tuxick`	`the problem is idiots that use IE generated javascript`
`13:48.08`	`Alethes`	`konq is the issue for me`
`13:48.11`	`tuxick`	`and then find out there are other browsers out there`
`13:48.13`	`Alethes`	`kio_http specifically`
`13:48.18`	`tuxick`	`hm`
`13:48.21`	`Alethes`	`the rendering is fine for me`
`13:48.23`	`annma`	`well most of the time it's due to closed stuff`
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`13:48.55`	`Alethes`	`kio_http launches so many processes that it kills my wireless highspeed connection`
`13:49.01`	`Alethes`	`and I can't find any way to limit it`
`13:50.01`	`Alethes`	`I even wrote a daemon that monitors for kio_http processes that last for a long time and kills them`
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`13:50.08`	`Alethes`	`but unfortunately that has its own issues`
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`14:00.18`	`tuxick`	`ah it doesn't hang`
`14:00.43`	`tuxick`	`it just needs several minutes to redraw, meanwhile showing part of the background of another screen`
`14:00.59`	`tuxick`	`at least that's almost normal for konqueror`
`14:01.05`	`tuxick`	`it seems to have some problems with threading`
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`14:03.41`	`tuxick`	`maybe i should indeed just stop using konqueror after all :)`
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`14:08.03`	`Tm_T`	`I wonder if I could control volume of ktts bit more than now, it's still too noisy compared to other apps`
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`14:11.19`	`Erunno`	`Hi all, I'm currently fighting with KDevelop's automatic indentation. It keeps ignoring my customized settings in the project options.`
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`14:11.56`	`Erunno`	`It seems only to work with the indentation settings under "Extras". Any possible solutions to this problem ?`
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`14:22.25`	`vbgunz`	`does kde come with a screen ruler?`
`14:22.36`	`Jucato`	`kruler`
`14:22.54`	`vbgunz`	`awesome, I don't have it but got the name, thank you :)`
`14:23.11`	`Jucato`	`hm... seems to be part of the kdegraphics module`
`14:23.37`	`vbgunz`	`actually, I just said, apt-get install kruler, and I found it and am installing it now`
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`14:24.32`	`gemidjy`	`honestly, does anyone use the Translucency features of KDE ?`
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`14:25.03`	`Sho_`	`gemidjy: Occassionally`
`14:25.32`	`gemidjy`	`hm...It might be my ati card with xorg's default ati driver, but I find it bad idea`
`14:25.36`	`gemidjy`	`and bad realisation`
`14:25.45`	`Sho_`	`gemidjy: Then don't use it`
`14:26.02`	`gemidjy`	`:) sure.. I had to share it`
`14:26.21`	`vbgunz`	`Jucato: kruler is good, thank you again!`
`14:26.32`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`14:26.55`	`Sho_`	`gemidjy: The implementation is destined to be replaced in KDE 4`
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`14:27.13`	`gemidjy`	`Sho_: replaced, or completly removed ?`
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`14:27.42`	`Sho_`	`gemidjy: Replaced`
`14:27.45`	`gemidjy`	`Sho_: sorry for that version :)`
`14:28.12`	`gemidjy`	`ok, replaced by what ?`
`14:28.36`	`Sho_`	`gemidjy: A composition manager built into KDEs window manager, kwin, with OpenGL- and XRender-based paths`
`14:28.54`	`Sho_`	`And a pluggable effects framework`
`14:29.02`	`gemidjy`	`great`
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`14:32.00`	`vbgunz`	`Sho_: I am not up to date with composition managers, etc. is that basically a replacement for Beryl in a sense?`
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`14:33.28`	`Sho_`	`vbgunz: It's comparable in capability to Beryl, yes`
`14:34.41`	`vbgunz`	`that is diabetically sweet or diabolical, either way, very cool :P`
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`14:44.15`	`eidolon`	`Hi folks, KDE v3.5.5, Kubuntu linux. Whenever I start Konqueror, I get a popup stating "Cannot find parent item file:///home in the tree. Internal error." - this has been poking around for about a year now, but i just switched back from Gnome (i tried it, i really did), and I'd like to get rid of this. I'm assuming it's a corruption in ~/.kde/ somewhere, but I'd rather not purge the whole dir.`
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`14:46.29`	`PF-Away`	`is this backtrace useful?: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11346/`
`14:47.02`	`PF-Away`	`dolphin trace`
`14:47.09`	`Jucato`	`barely`
`14:47.22`	`Jucato`	`lots of undefined symbols`
`14:47.25`	`PF-Away`	`eidolon: set your home dir in the control center`
`14:47.30`	`eidolon`	`i suspect it has to do with a trashed 'system' folder... here's a screenshot: http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/screenshots/konqueror-032107.png`
`14:47.37`	`eidolon`	`PF-Away: huh. takes a look`
`14:48.01`	`PF-Away`	`eidolon: heh, maybe not, reread what you wrote;)`
`14:48.28`	`eidolon`	`where do i set the home dir? in user management?`
`14:48.34`	`PF-Away`	`paths, i think`
`14:48.48`	`Jucato`	`PF-Away: if you can consistently reproduce the bug, try installing kdelibs-dbg and kdebase-dbg to see if you can get debugging symbols`
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`14:49.13`	`PF-Away`	`Jucato: i think it was a quite random, with a combination of things that made it happen`
`14:49.23`	`PF-Away`	`just opening a couple of archives in ark`
`14:49.25`	`Jucato`	`ah...`
`14:49.31`	`eidolon`	`Paths has Desktop path: /home/dbs/Desktop, Autostart path: /home/dbs/.kde/Autostart, and Documents path: /home/dbs/`
`14:49.37`	`PF-Away`	`just re-opening dolphin, and trying again, and it works just nice`
`14:49.42`	`eidolon`	`hm, documents path is wrong (i have a 'docs' dir) - but that's just me fiddling :)`
`14:49.58`	`PF-Away`	`eidolon: try to set the perm's of /home`
`14:50.07`	`Jucato`	`PF-Away: oh. archive handling has been worked on but for the KDE 4 versions of dolphin only. what version are you using on Kubuntu?`
`14:50.20`	`eidolon`	`dbs@boomer:~$ ls -ldt /home`
`14:50.20`	`eidolon`	`drwxrwsr-x 68 root staff 4096 2007-01-27 23:49 /home`
`14:50.22`	`PF-Away`	`0.8.2`
`14:50.22`	`eidolon`	`seems okay?`
`14:50.27`	`Jucato`	`PF-Away: ah`
`14:50.29`	`PF-Away`	`eidolon: probably`
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`14:50.41`	`PF-Away`	`Jucato: it's the "normal" from the reps`
`14:50.57`	`Jucato`	`PF-Away: er.. no...`
`14:51.10`	`PF-Away`	`as in the repositories?`
`14:51.10`	`Jucato`	`Even feisty only has 0.8.1`
`14:51.15`	`PF-Away`	`i'm on feisty`
`14:51.23`	`Jucato`	`so am I`
`14:51.29`	`PF-Away`	`i could swear i didn't download and compile it myself`
`14:52.05`	`Jucato`	`eidolon: I think that's a bug caused by certain configs left over from previous KDE releases. not really sure but I think I've come across a bug report similar to yours`
`14:52.09`	`eidolon`	`PF-Away: any other suggestions? did you see the System screenshot i posted? that doesn't look right.`
`14:52.11`	`PF-Away`	`Jucato: long time since you updated?`
`14:52.14`	`Jucato`	`PF-Away: dolphin --version ?`
`14:52.19`	`PF-Away`	`;)`
`14:52.22`	`Jucato`	`PF-Away: just a few minutes ago`
`14:52.24`	`eidolon`	`Jucato: i'm nto surprised - this .kde dir may be quite old. - i keep moving it from machine to machine :)`
`14:52.32`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`14:53.12`	`Jucato`	`Tm_T: have you any experience on this? your .kde is old too right?`
`14:53.12`	`PF-Away`	`Jucato: Qt: 3.3.8\\KDE: 3.5.6\\Dolphin: 0.8.2`
`14:53.13`	`Jucato`	`PF-Away: you might have installed a .deb?`
`14:53.14`	`PF-Away`	`i've had my current .kde since 3.4`
`14:53.14`	`PF-Away`	`Jucato: i'm pretty sure i haven't`
`14:53.18`	`Jucato`	`PF-Away: apt-cache policy dolphin`
`14:53.19`	`PF-Away`	`i usually have to roll my own, since I'm on 64-bit`
`14:53.33`	`PF-Away`	`dpkg is impressive, btw`
`14:53.34`	`PF-Away`	`;)`
`14:53.37`	`eidolon`	`oh. hm. that /home i pasted was the wrong machine. here is mine: drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2007-03-18 22:22 /home`
`14:53.55`	`PF-Away`	`Jucato: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status`
`14:54.25`	`PF-Away`	`*** 0.8.2-1 0\\ 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status\\ 0.8.1-0ubuntu1 0\\ 500 http://no.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages`
`14:54.26`	`Jucato`	`PF-Away: that means it's from a .deb iirc`
`14:54.36`	`Jucato`	`see? :P`
`14:54.51`	`eidolon`	`well, i suspect the series of shortcuts in my bookmarks is hosed. i -think- i'd be okay purging the shortcuts, if i knew where they were. i just dont' want to lose my whole desktop settings. i'm rather fond of hte arrangement.`
`14:54.55`	`PF-Away`	`i think some gnomes are sneaking in at night and do things to my computer`
`14:54.58`	`Tm_T`	`Jucato: what?`
`14:55.09`	`Tm_T`	`Jucato: yes my .kde has very old stuff`
`14:55.15`	`Jucato`	`Tm_T: <eidolon> Hi folks, KDE v3.5.5, Kubuntu linux. Whenever I start Konqueror, I get a popup stating "Cannot find parent item file:///home in the tree. Internal error." - this has been poking around for about a year now, but i just switched back from Gnome (i tried it, i really did), and I'd like to get rid of this. I'm assuming it's a corruption in ~/.kde/ somewhere, but I'd rather not purge the whole dir.`
`14:55.43`	`PF-Away`	`eidolon: you could just mv .kde somewhere temporary, and copy over files you need`
`14:55.47`	`PF-Away`	`like kwallet and stuff`
`14:56.00`	`Jucato`	`Tm_T: from what I remember while doing some bug triaging in konqueror, this was due to some configs being carried over from previous releases... but I'm not sure`
`14:56.04`	`Tm_T`	`hmm, never seen that error, though my .kde is way back from over 2 years I think now`
`14:56.05`	`eidolon`	`PF-Away: ow ow ow ow. yes, i realize that, but that also implies a lot of knowledge about how the .kde dir is structured. :)`
`14:56.15`	`PF-Away`	`eidolon: you have config and apps`
`14:56.26`	`PF-Away`	`which should be copied over`
`14:56.48`	`PF-Away`	`imho, most of it is pretty logically structured`
`14:57.21`	`eidolon`	`hmm. here's my .kde: http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/387`
`14:57.22`	`Jucato`	`eidolon: is it crashing too?`
`14:57.30`	`eidolon`	`'hunter' is an old machine. i can purge those.`
`14:57.35`	`eidolon`	`Jucato: nope, it runs fine.`
`14:57.39`	`eidolon`	`let me screenshot, sec.`
`14:58.49`	`eidolon`	`i -love- fish.`
`14:58.51`	`Jucato`	`eidolon: list of possible bugs`
`14:58.52`	`Jucato`	`http://bugs.kde.org/simple_search.cgi?id=konqueror+cannot+find+parent+item`
`14:59.15`	`eidolon`	`http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/screenshots/desktop-20070321.png`
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`14:59.49`	`mefisto`	`hi all`
`14:59.53`	`eidolon`	`http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133562 <-- that's my identical situation.`
`15:00.09`	`mefisto`	`im looking for a gmail notification : any suggestions ?`
`15:00.44`	`smileaf`	`mefisto: think I saw one posted a while ago on http://www.kde-apps.org/`
`15:01.06`	`PF-Away`	`mefisto: kcheckgmail`
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`15:01.43`	`eidolon`	`http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125461 <-- why is this marked as 'RESOLVED' ?`
`15:01.55`	`sam_`	`omgkde`
`15:02.14`	`sam_`	`so LIke, somebody please explain beryl to me.`
`15:02.34`	`smileaf`	`sam_: not a KDE question, ask in your distro's channel.`
`15:02.35`	`mefisto`	`PF-Away, tnx`
`15:02.41`	`sam_`	`lolol`
`15:02.43`	`sam_`	`#beryl`
`15:02.48`	`mefisto`	`sam_, #beryl`
`15:02.55`	`sam_`	`i know diss`
`15:02.59`	`smileaf`	`eidolon: Resolution: WORKSFORME <-- I think thats why.`
`15:03.14`	`eidolon`	`yeah, but that's wrong. there are too many people reporting it happening.`
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`15:04.38`	`PF-Away`	`eidolon: it seems like a problem with the kubuntu patches`
`15:04.50`	`eidolon`	`piffle :)`
`15:05.01`	`PF-Away`	`;)`
`15:05.17`	`eidolon`	`this is almost worth trying to track down.`
`15:05.20`	`PF-Away`	`some of the patches almost made me switch back to gentoo;)`
`15:05.27`	`eidolon`	`if it's -just- a minor setting in the .kde tree... Hmm.`
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`15:06.54`	`FJ_Sanchez`	`Hello`
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`15:08.49`	`eidolon`	`hmm, can someone go into ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror and grep for 'home' ? do you see your home dir in there somewhere?`
`15:09.01`	`eidolon`	`assuming linux and assuming your home dir really is /home/blah`
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`15:11.27`	`N\|ghtwo\|f`	`how can i install kde 4 ?`
`15:11.38`	`smileaf`	`N\|ghtwo\|f: it going to be for development?`
`15:11.40`	`N\|ghtwo\|f`	`there is any svn for that ?`
`15:11.55`	`smileaf`	`N\|ghtwo\|f: if not your wasting your time as its not usable yet.`
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`15:13.48`	`smileaf`	`N\|ghtwo\|f: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4`
`15:14.54`	`FJ_Sanchez`	`I've a problem. I cannot start from kdm or startx with my nis users. They get authentified and get the ksplash is working. But it stops loading and after ksplash disapears`
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`15:15.27`	`N\|ghtwo\|f`	`ops, sorry my dumb question. thx anyway`
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`15:27.42`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Stupid question, but how do I make KGet only download x number of things at once?`
`15:27.59`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`(So I queue up 2x things and it only downloads x number at once)`
`15:28.09`	`logixoul`	`other than manually stopping the rest of 'em?`
`15:28.33`	`logixoul`	`settings->configure kget->limits`
`15:28.35`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Will it automatically resume the rest`
`15:28.45`	`Jucato`	`isn't there a Queue button there?`
`15:28.50`	`logixoul`	`Kyral_Laptop: if you use that setting, then yes`
`15:28.52`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`(so one finishes, thus I have x - 1 going, so it starts another one)`
`15:29.00`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`sweet`
`15:29.42`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Whats the difference between starting a DL in Queued vs. Delayed mode`
`15:29.57`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Configure -> Advanced`
`15:30.20`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Yanno....that should be a SoC project. Go through ALL official KDE Apps and add tooltips where needed`
`15:30.50`	`logixoul`	`only it isn't "coding" :) but yeah`
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`15:31.39`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`logixoul: Ain't the tooltips in the code?`
`15:32.00`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`I don't have a lot of experience with the KDE bindings`
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`15:32.42`	`logixoul`	`well, they are, but you could almost train a monkey to insert QWhatsThis Blah Blah in there :)`
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`15:33.14`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`logixoul: lol`
`15:33.14`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`logixoul: Fine then I'll do it`
`15:33.16`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Instead of bitching I'll just do it and submit patches`
`15:33.32`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Thank god I maintain a current version of KDE Stable SVN`
`15:33.45`	`logixoul`	`seriously? über cool!`
`15:33.51`	`logixoul`	`thx.`
`15:34.06`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Eventually :P`
`15:34.13`	`logixoul`	`aha :P`
`15:34.26`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Now if someone would tell me the difference between starting in Queued Mode and Delayed Mode...`
`15:34.45`	`logixoul`	`dunno, see the handbook?`
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`15:35.48`	`annma`	`Kyral_Laptop: I battle so that devels add tooltips and qwhatsthis help`
`15:36.02`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`annma: RIGHT ON!`
`15:36.13`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`annma: There should be a KDE-Doc team...`
`15:36.20`	`annma`	`but they don't listen to me!`
`15:36.22`	`annma`	`there is one`
`15:36.23`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`I mean I'm a good coder in my own right`
`15:36.31`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`but I depend on documentation`
`15:36.38`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Man pages are my best friend`
`15:36.42`	`annma`	`Kyral_Laptop: it's very difficult though to add tooltips in an app you don't know well`
`15:36.48`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`(Which is why I dig Konq's man:// slave)`
`15:37.08`	`logixoul`	`Kyral_Laptop: "delay" seems to "Delay the download of the highlighted items indefinitely." while "queue" "Causes the highlighted entries in KGet to begin downloading."`
`15:37.41`	`logixoul`	`yeah man: rules`
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`15:38.08`	`annma`	`~root`
`15:38.10`	`apt`	`root is, like, not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account.`
`15:38.10`	`logixoul`	`so one waits for you to start it - like amarok- and the other doesn't`
`15:38.15`	`root`	`tag`
`15:38.36`	`_root_`	`jaa`
`15:38.43`	`Atoms`	`_root_ enter /exec cat /etc/passwd \| grep root`
`15:38.46`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`Okay Queue seems to do nothing...`
`15:38.48`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`See I want something like "Only start if there are less than x downloads going:`
`15:39.29`	`logixoul`	`apt: no, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.`
`15:39.30`	`apt`	`okay, logixoul`
`15:40.10`	`logixoul`	`Kyral_Laptop: so Configure KGet -> Limits doesn't work for ya?`
`15:40.18`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`logixoul: Nope`
`15:40.20`	`DuClare`	`why does konqueror complain upon trying to open a 7zip file? (p7zip://...)`
`15:40.33`	`logixoul`	`complain? how?`
`15:40.34`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`logixoul: I activate a download from Konq and it starts it immeadiatly`
`15:40.54`	`logixoul`	`Kyral_Laptop: while you're downloading several other things?`
`15:40.56`	`DuClare`	`logixoul, malformed url`
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`15:41.01`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`(Limit is set to 2, and I have 5, it started 3-5 immeadiaty)`
`15:41.03`	`Kyral_Laptop`	`logixoul: yah`
`15:41.19`	`logixoul`	`Kyral_Laptop: that looks like a bug`
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`15:42.08`	`smileaf`	`DuClare: means there is a problem with that kioslave or it wasn't installed right.`
`15:42.14`	`DuClare`	`hrm ...`
`15:42.20`	`DuClare`	`how can I set it up properly?`
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`15:43.27`	`annma`	`is it installed DuClare?`
`15:43.37`	`DuClare`	`p7zip is installed`
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`15:44.14`	`smileaf`	`the program or the kioslave ;)`
`15:44.21`	`DuClare`	`the program.`
`15:44.25`	`DuClare`	`no clue how to install kioslave..`
`15:44.43`	`smileaf`	`well that explains why that url is malformed =)`
`15:44.53`	`DuClare`	`a bit stupid error message imho`
`15:45.04`	`DuClare`	`how about telling that the kioslave is missing rather than whining about url ;)`
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`15:48.15`	`ruinevil`	`so`
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`15:48.33`	`ruinevil`	`people tell me the release of 4 has been scheduled`
`15:48.37`	`ruinevil`	`is this true?`
`15:48.42`	`Jucato`	`http://dot.kde.org`
`15:48.49`	`Jucato`	`check it there`
`15:49.27`	`ruinevil`	`;o`
`15:49.31`	`ruinevil`	`october 23rd`
`15:49.53`	`logixoul`	`ZOMG :D`
`15:50.25`	`logixoul`	`apt: kde4`
`15:50.32`	`apt`	`The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. We don't know when that will be, despite articles saying the contrary. It will likely be in 2007 or 2008.`
`15:50.44`	`eidolon`	`heh`
`15:51.07`	`insanekane`	`http://dot.kde.org/1174481326/`
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`15:51.10`	`logixoul`	`apt: no, kde4 is <reply>The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. This is currently scheduled to 23 Oct 2007.`
`15:51.11`	`apt`	`logixoul: okay`
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`15:51.22`	`annma`	`logixoul: :)) cool`
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`15:51.43`	`insanekane`	`apt: http://dot.kde.org/1174481326/`
`15:51.57`	`logixoul`	`apt: kde4`
`15:51.59`	`apt`	`The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. This is currently scheduled to 23 Oct 2007.`
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`15:52.09`	`logixoul`	`apt: no, kde4 is <reply>The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. This is currently scheduled to 23 Oct 2007, see http://dot.kde.org/1174481326/`
`15:52.11`	`apt`	`logixoul: okay`
`15:52.54`	`insanekane`	`apt is a bot ?!`
`15:53.16`	`logixoul`	`yep ;)`
`15:54.10`	`logixoul`	`do you find that surprising?`
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`15:55.33`	`logixoul`	`thiago: hopefully http://dot.kde.org/1174481326/ isn't what you meant by "articles saying the contrary" :)`
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`15:56.29`	`delusions`	`hi, i've been searching all day but couldnt find if i can resize the kbfx menu ?`
`15:56.47`	`logixoul`	`delusions: it uses pixmaps, so the only way is to use another theme`
`15:57.26`	`Sho_`	`apt: no, kde4 is <reply>The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule).`
`15:57.27`	`apt`	`Sho_: okay`
`15:57.29`	`delusions`	`logixoul: :( its configuration is awfull, thanks for information,`
`15:57.51`	`annma`	`Sho_: even better, yes`
`15:57.54`	`logixoul`	`yep`
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`16:03.32`	`PF-Away`	`isn't amarok supposed to have gapless playback?`
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`16:03.44`	`logixoul`	`only for some of the engines, I think`
`16:03.51`	`logixoul`	`but #amarok will tell you more`
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`16:05.50`	`romeo`	`Hi everyone. I am trying to install kdm on my Kubuntu. But I am getting errors.. Its not working. I am new to linux so help wold be appreciated`
`16:06.07`	`logixoul`	`what errors?`
`16:06.20`	`annma`	`how did you install? isn't it automatic?`
`16:07.35`	`romeo`	`i have no idea.. I am 2 days old linux user so I am new to this :D`
`16:07.54`	`romeo`	`I went to kde-look.org and went to the kde improvments and donwloaded the manager. The source`
`16:08.14`	`Jucato`	`!changethemes \| romeo`
`16:08.15`	`logixoul`	`the KDM Theme Manager? no no no, that's different`
`16:08.15`	`N\|ghtwo\|f`	`romeo, kubuntu cames w kdm`
`16:08.34`	`Jucato`	`dang the bot's gone?`
`16:08.35`	`N\|ghtwo\|f`	`or i m wrong`
`16:08.56`	`logixoul`	`romeo: ask in #kubuntu about the proper way to install KDM.`
`16:08.59`	`Jucato`	`lol I'm in the wrong channel :)`
`16:09.06`	`logixoul`	`lol`
`16:09.12`	`romeo`	`Is it just called KDM, logixoul? cause if so, I got it installed already`
`16:09.26`	`Jucato`	`wow first tie I ever did that :)`
`16:09.28`	`Jucato`	`time*`
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`16:09.49`	`logixoul`	`romeo: yes, it's called just KDM. to see how to make it show every time you boot up, ask in #kubuntu`
`16:09.56`	`romeo`	`thanks`
`16:10.00`	`logixoul`	`np`
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`16:10.47`	`Frederick`	`folks witch is the name of kdes clock applet for the task bar?`
`16:11.01`	`logixoul`	`it's called Clock, I think`
`16:11.14`	`logixoul`	`(and the "task bar" is really called a panel ;)`
`16:11.16`	`Jucato`	`clock`
`16:11.18`	`annma`	`Clock is the clock that comes as default in kicker`
`16:11.30`	`Jucato`	`right-click on the Panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> Clock`
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`16:37.03`	`eMish_`	`How can I make middle-button behave same as Paste ?`
`16:39.12`	`sredna`	`eMish_: it does in most KDE applications, according to your klipper settings`
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`16:39.29`	`sredna`	`eMish_: pr tradition, the middle button inserts the X 'selection'`
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`16:41.59`	`eidolon`	`man is this rant going to get me in trouble.`
`16:42.21`	`undesktop`	`what rant? I didn't yet start with it`
`16:42.26`	`undesktop`	`oh`
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`16:48.19`	`Lanken`	`in graphical programs undo should be a scrollwheel action.`
`16:48.50`	`undesktop`	`no`
`16:48.51`	`Lanken`	`then "redo" can be the opposite direction, and everything's happy.`
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`16:50.23`	`Lanken`	`kmail just crashed. How do I do a backtrace?`
`16:51.17`	`annma`	`you should have a dialog that pops up`
`16:51.32`	`Lanken`	`annma: I think I didn't install that component.`
`16:51.36`	`annma`	`you can also run kmail in gdb and make it crash`
`16:51.48`	`annma`	`Lanken: isn't installed with kdebase?`
`16:51.53`	`eidolon`	`what at terrible idea for the scrollwheel.`
`16:52.04`	`Lanken`	`I doubt it will be repeatable. I'll try though.`
`16:52.07`	`eidolon`	`since i hit it fairly often by mistake. zoom in / zoom out has always been the best setting i've seen`
`16:52.09`	`eMish_`	`sredna, when I do Paste and when I do middle-mouse, they always insert two different things.`
`16:52.10`	`Lanken`	`and I did splyt ebuilds =X`
`16:52.26`	`Jucato`	`heh split ebuilds again :)`
`16:52.37`	`Lanken`	`eMish_: yep, it's like having two paste buffers. It's great!`
`16:52.45`	`annma`	`maybe you splitted kmail as well`
`16:52.54`	`sredna`	`eMish_: in kilipper configuration, enable the option to sync the clipboard and selection`
`16:52.59`	`annma`	`Lanken: pop or imap?`
`16:53.00`	`eMish_`	`aha`
`16:53.10`	`eMish_`	`how do I access the clipper ?`
`16:53.15`	`Lanken`	`imap`
`16:53.16`	`annma`	`klipper`
`16:53.20`	`eMish_`	`klipper & says "klipper is already running"`
`16:53.23`	`sredna`	`eMish_: rightclick the clipboard icon in the systray`
`16:53.24`	`annma`	`pop never crashes`
`16:53.41`	`eMish_`	`i do not see the clipboard icon in the systray ...`
`16:53.49`	`sredna`	`no?`
`16:53.53`	`eMish_`	`ah found`
`16:54.10`	`sredna`	`even just click it btw, it is the same menu`
`16:54.15`	`eMish_`	`ok great thanks`
`16:54.34`	`Lanken`	`eidolon: I wouldn't recommend scrollwheel alone. It would take a modifier, like meta or hyper.`
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`16:55.57`	`Lanken`	`eidolon: or you use the scrollwheel over a special region, like the undo queue`
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`16:56.48`	`Lanken`	`but that has problems, as the undo queue is probably going to be a long list that you might have to look at by scrolling :\`
`16:57.16`	`Lanken`	`annma: I'm installing kdebase-meta. Enough of this nonsense :)`
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`16:57.47`	`annma`	`yes becuase otherwise you have to install gdb`
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`16:58.15`	`eidolon`	`http://planet-geek.com/archives/003768.html <-- my anti-gnome, pro kde rant. :)`
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`16:59.57`	`annma`	`I personally think it's good Gnome is different from KDE`
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`17:01.39`	`Lanken`	`eidolon: hmm, I wish people wouldn't recommend installing all of kubuntu-desktop. They probably don't need every kde application and openoffice.`
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`17:01.59`	`undesktop`	`Debian rules`
`17:02.00`	`stdin`	`eww`
`17:02.01`	`ruinevil`	`kde is more monolithic`
`17:02.02`	`ruinevil`	`>.>`
`17:02.09`	`eidolon`	`disk space is cheap.`
`17:02.10`	`Jucato`	`Lanken: kubuntu-desktop doesn't install every kde app`
`17:02.10`	`ruinevil`	`so i like it more than gnome`
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`17:02.18`	`Jucato`	`stdin: more for spying :)`
`17:02.30`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: hyperbole. It installs a lot though.`
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`17:02.51`	`Jucato`	`Lanken: on the contrary, kubuntu-desktop only installs a few kde apps. compared to the kde metapackage`
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`17:03.04`	`Zaba`	`hi all`
`17:03.04`	`ruinevil`	`gnome is hard to install in freebsd`
`17:03.05`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: my mistake then.`
`17:03.10`	`ruinevil`	`D:`
`17:03.21`	`Zaba`	`is there an app that makes console as a wallpaper?`
`17:03.31`	`eidolon`	`i think i saw 140meg when i did the aptitude command. on a 160gig drive that's nothing.`
`17:03.37`	`Zaba`	`like, in X root window, but not to screw kde..`
`17:03.40`	`insanekane`	`undesktop: you should try Pardus then ... its a new take on desktops`
`17:03.43`	`Lanken`	`Jucato: It still bothered me that it installed openoffice though. That's a heck of a nugget.`
`17:03.50`	`insanekane`	`undesktop: read reviews for it atleast`
`17:03.53`	`Lanken`	`*OO.o`
`17:04.00`	`Jucato`	`Zaba: run konsole fullscreen, remove borders, and sticky on all desktops`
`17:04.04`	`undesktop`	`"The interface is TOO different" for GNOME vs. Windows`
`17:04.08`	`insanekane`	`undesktop: personally, i believe its the only OS that gives a shit about KDE`
`17:04.11`	`undesktop`	`oh that's just bullshit`
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`17:04.19`	`ruinevil`	`you can make kde different`
`17:04.21`	`undesktop`	`it's the same approach`
`17:04.26`	`undesktop`	`it's like Windows and UNIX`
`17:04.27`	`insanekane`	`or atleast, takes it very seriously`
`17:04.31`	`undesktop`	`both are the same system designs`
`17:04.34`	`ruinevil`	`www.ruinevil.com/hbo/desktop.png`
`17:04.41`	`undesktop`	`so are the GUIs (GNOME vs. Windows)`
`17:05.01`	`Zaba`	`Jucato, i wanna it in background, ie keep icons, kicker, superkaramba, etc.`
`17:05.22`	`ruinevil`	`there is probably a superkaramba applet`
`17:05.24`	`Jucato`	`Zaba: run konsole fullscreen, remove borders, and sticky on all desktops, and keep below others`
`17:05.30`	`insanekane`	`Jucato: i only said it once ...`
`17:05.31`	`Zaba`	`undesktop, quit trolling.`
`17:05.35`	`Jucato`	`minus the icons`
`17:05.43`	`Jucato`	`insanekane: didn't say from the same person :)`
`17:05.45`	`undesktop`	`Zaba: not trolling`
`17:05.48`	`eidolon`	`undesktop: i disagree, which is why i wrote it that way.`
`17:05.54`	`insanekane`	`Jucato: :)`
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`17:06.03`	`eidolon`	`everyone i've seen who has played with gnome has been confused by the interface becuse of it's deliberate breakings away from windows.`
`17:06.04`	`Jucato`	`Zaba: might I interest you in yakuake?`
`17:06.23`	`eidolon`	`and i kept tripping over problems in it - things that just didn't make sense.`
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`17:06.40`	`undesktop`	`eidolon: these are just small differences... of course these difference annoy users`
`17:06.42`	`ruinevil`	`www.ruinevil.com/hbo/desktop2.png`
`17:06.43`	`Zaba`	`Jucato, using right now, but it still interfers with icons/superkaramba`
`17:06.43`	`ruinevil`	`KDE`
`17:06.45`	`ruinevil`	`IN WINDOWS`
`17:06.48`	`Zaba`	`i ned to keep icons`
`17:06.48`	`undesktop`	`eidolon: but no fundamental difference`
`17:07.05`	`undesktop`	`eidolon: i.e. it's all just rectangular windows, buttons, widgets`
`17:07.12`	`eidolon`	`undesktop: feel free to comment / add to the blogpost :)`
`17:07.12`	`Authority`	`where can I configure the smb:// kioslave? Can it show me printers as well as disk shares?`
`17:07.44`	`Lanken`	`eidolon: do you list these senseless problems in your article?`
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`17:08.24`	`eidolon`	`Lanken: the specifics? no. it's a blog post, not an article. if it were a real article i'd list out itemized differences with screenshots and examples. :)`
`17:08.34`	`undesktop`	`what was that about Pardus? I can't read turkish`
`17:08.37`	`eidolon`	`i write articles with detail. this isn't one of them :)`
`17:08.50`	`Zaba`	`Jucato, any other choices?`
`17:08.52`	`Lanken`	`eidolon: ah. I'm just curious what qualifies as senseless.`
`17:09.08`	`Jucato`	`Zaba: none that I can think of at 1:00 AM...`
`17:09.22`	`Zaba`	`heh`
`17:09.39`	`Lanken`	`gnome doesn't have fish:/ . It's over.`
`17:09.46`	`Lanken`	`errr *?`
`17:09.56`	`eidolon`	`mmm, fish.`
`17:09.56`	`Zaba`	`XRootconsole can only tail..`
`17:10.08`	`Sho_`	`Lanken: Prefer sftp://`
`17:10.16`	`Zaba`	`and will probably screw kde`
`17:10.31`	`undesktop`	`eidolon: btw... despite I use Konqueror (mainly for web), I mainly use bash for file managment`
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`17:11.14`	`Zaba`	`i live in shell that's why i want it in desktop`
`17:11.14`	`Zaba`	`:P`
`17:11.20`	`eidolon`	`undesktop: i flip around. i -love- the file save /open dialogs with the fish:// hooks. the ksnapshot -> safe to fish:// bookmark is -awesome-`
`17:11.34`	`Sho_`	`eidolon: Prefer sftp://`
`17:11.36`	`eidolon`	`but i've also used konqueror previews, file / directory manipulations, etc - i like the icon views and hover-to-see functions.`
`17:11.40`	`undesktop`	`oh come on! file dialogs are worst!`
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`17:11.49`	`undesktop`	`(granted, in GNOME they're even worse than in KDE)`
`17:12.09`	`Lanken`	`Sho_: I wonder if stft:// will "just work" with my school's server.`
`17:12.17`	`undesktop`	`if you're lucky with it - good; I hate these GUIs`
`17:12.25`	`undesktop`	`(on Linux)`
`17:12.33`	`annma`	`of course if you're against desktop undesktop you don't have to say more`
`17:12.37`	`Lanken`	`Sho_: woo, it does.`
`17:12.39`	`Sho_`	`Lanken: If it has file transfer support enabled, it will. If it doesn't, that's what the fish:// hack is for.`
`17:12.41`	`eidolon`	`what annma said.`
`17:12.59`	`Lanken`	`Sho_: file transfer as in scp?`
`17:13.15`	`eidolon`	`to me, gnome comes from the "We have a window manager, lets give it some desktop-ish functions, but basically it's a window manager." - KDE comes from "Lets make a desktop that really works, oh, i guess we'll need a window manager also."`
`17:13.26`	`Sho_`	`fish:// is workaround that uses shell commands and a Perl script for ssh servers that don't have file transfer support enabled. sftp:// uses the actual SSH file tranfer protocol and is more robust and faster.`
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`17:13.40`	`undesktop`	`annma: erm, I'm _not_ against desktops`
`17:13.41`	`Lanken`	`Sho_: good to know.`
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`17:13.46`	`Sho_`	`So sftp:// should be used when possible`
`17:13.46`	`undesktop`	`annma: and I never said so!`
`17:13.47`	`eidolon`	`i haven't tried sftp://`
`17:13.56`	`annma`	`undesktop: you make it look so`
`17:14.07`	`eidolon`	`wow, it just worked :)`
`17:14.11`	`eidolon`	`look at that :)`
`17:14.19`	`Lanken`	`undesktop: I still kind of like the windows file dialogs. =\`
`17:14.34`	`insanekane`	`ok, i'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone to try out (or atleast read the reviews if nothing else), the Pardus Desktop Operating System ... which is really cool and only cares for KDE, and shows KDE in the best light possible!`
`17:14.37`	`eidolon`	`alt-f2, sftp://me@host.com/home/dbs/`
`17:14.40`	`eidolon`	`'ding'`
`17:14.46`	`annma`	`insanekane: no spam please`
`17:14.47`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: they're most inconvenient`
`17:15.02`	`mot`	`insanekane, got any hot link action?`
`17:15.08`	`mot`	`if it doesn't end in .org, i don't wanna see it.`
`17:15.24`	`insanekane`	`mot: pardus.org.tr/eng`
`17:15.25`	`Lanken`	`undesktop: what I like is that you can do filesystem manipulation in them. "oops, this should be in that folder."`
`17:15.31`	`mot`	`turkce mi?`
`17:15.42`	`mot`	`sen turk musun?`
`17:15.45`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: it's the wrong approach`
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`17:16.08`	`mot`	`insanekane, are you turkish?`
`17:16.12`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: normally, you have your filesystem browser, and want to manipulate file in them... so you i.e. click on a file and open it`
`17:16.25`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: file open dialogs are reverse to that`
`17:16.32`	`insanekane`	`mot: im not turkish ... but the distro is being developed by some real cool turks :) (now joined by some other europeans, and some indians ... i think i was the first indian)`
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`17:16.37`	`Lanken`	`undesktop: having file dialogs at all? or allowing fs manipulation. I see what's wrong with it, but I still miss it sometimes.`
`17:16.42`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: the right approach would be to allow programs to refer to existing file browsers`
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`17:17.07`	`insanekane`	`mot, annma: distrowatch review: http://tinyurl.com/2gouzm`
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`17:17.22`	`annma`	`I stick to my distro`
`17:17.35`	`mot`	`ahh okay.`
`17:17.39`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: having file dialogs at all`
`17:17.43`	`annma`	`and I compile my KDE anyway`
`17:17.54`	`annma`	`so I install minimum stuff`
`17:18.32`	`Lanken`	`undesktop: that sounds like a reasonable position. What do you do if no fs browser is open? launch one?`
`17:18.35`	`insanekane`	`annma: so ?`
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`17:18.56`	`insanekane`	`annma, mot: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070115#review`
`17:18.59`	`insanekane`	`err`
`17:19.16`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: yes...`
`17:19.19`	`annma`	`it's not my beloved KDE on the screenshot`
`17:19.26`	`insanekane`	`annma, mot: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pardus`
`17:19.42`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: what else? of course the program could pop up a file dialog, that's nothing than a restricted file browser`
`17:19.51`	`Sho_`	`annma: cartman works for Pardus, btw`
`17:19.56`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: restricted in the sense that it's modal and goes away if the file is saved`
`17:19.57`	`annma`	`I know Sho_`
`17:20.12`	`insanekane`	`annma: and gorkem cetin :)`
`17:20.19`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: under these circumstances, it's conceptual bullshit to allow file manipulation in file dialogs`
`17:20.30`	`mdeanda`	`annma: so kde4 should compile properly most of the time now? i'm looking at the release schedule.`
`17:20.30`	`annma`	`but I cannot insdtall all distros for which I know nice people in`
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`17:20.35`	`undesktop`	`Lanken: just a broken concept...`
`17:20.41`	`annma`	`mdeanda: except on Mondays`
`17:20.49`	`Lanken`	`undesktop: I agree completele. But I liked it.`
`17:20.56`	`annma`	`mdeanda: we're still in kdelibs changes on Mondays`
`17:21.17`	`mdeanda`	`annma: oh good. everytime i've asked before, i was always told it was too broken for a rookie like me to try to build it.`
`17:21.31`	`annma`	`mdeanda: depends what you want to do`
`17:21.46`	`annma`	`mdeanda: if you just want to "look" then it's a lot of trouble for nothjing`
`17:21.49`	`insanekane`	`annma: its not your beloved KDE in pardus screenshot ?`
`17:21.55`	`annma`	`insanekane: yes`
`17:22.04`	`insanekane`	`annma: pardus should be installed not for its people ... but for where its going`
`17:22.06`	`annma`	`not my kde menu, not my K icon`
`17:22.11`	`insanekane`	`annma: what screenshot ?`
`17:22.11`	`mdeanda`	`well i'm not thinking of using ita s my main desktop.. i want to look, but possibly test... and maybe after while, possibly help develop`
`17:22.30`	`annma`	`mdeanda: if you want to help then go for it!`
`17:22.35`	`annma`	`we need LOTS of help`
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`17:22.40`	`mdeanda`	`annma: funny, i was talking to you before i slept, now i'm awake, and your still here :) :)`
`17:23.00`	`annma`	`mdeanda: I'll sleep later in my timezone`
`17:23.05`	`mdeanda`	`annma: i noticed jucato was here earlier too...`
`17:23.05`	`insanekane`	`annma: not your kde menu ? not your icon ?`
`17:23.15`	`annma`	`insanekane: yes, yes`
`17:23.22`	`insanekane`	`annma: open konqueror ... its all there`
`17:23.29`	`Authority`	`how can i get a list of available kioslaves?`
`17:23.31`	`annma`	`insanekane: on hte screenshot`
`17:23.33`	`mdeanda`	`annma: thanks again for the link to techbase.kde. :) i'm going to be very busy at work today.`
`17:23.39`	`annma`	`Authority: in kHelpCenter`
`17:23.49`	`annma`	`mdeanda: lol, ok`
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`17:24.12`	`Authority`	`annma: thanks`
`17:24.40`	`annma`	`insanekane: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070115#review`
`17:24.43`	`annma`	`that screenshot`
`17:24.57`	`insanekane`	`annma: so ?`
`17:25.00`	`annma`	`I don't recognize MY kde`
`17:25.09`	`insanekane`	`your KDE ?`
`17:25.22`	`annma`	`yes, the only one, the true one`
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`17:25.37`	`annma`	`ok I stop making fun`
`17:25.41`	`insanekane`	`ah right ... that makes a lot of sense :P`
`17:25.44`	`annma`	`the default one`
`17:26.01`	`Lanken`	`annma: if any distro can justify putting its name where KDE's should be, it's an upstart fighting for survival. :)`
`17:26.29`	`annma`	`Lanken: by choosing Gentoo you chose the true KDE`
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`17:26.48`	`Lanken`	`annma: but I went and installed split ebuilds. hah.`
`17:27.01`	`annma`	`Lanken: newbie error`
`17:27.21`	`Lanken`	`annma: it was the right call at the time. How was I to know I'd want konsole?`
`17:28.16`	`annma`	`Konsole is in kdesdk for kde4`
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`17:28.23`	`insanekane`	`annma: no, pardus is better, and I've tried most of them KDE distros`
`17:28.33`	`annma`	`better than true KDE?`
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`17:28.37`	`insanekane`	`annma: anyway, it was only an advertisement ...`
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`17:28.52`	`annma`	`insanekane: the truth is, I can install anything eyes closed on my distro`
`17:28.52`	`Lanken`	`annma: really! Are they shipping a stripped-down equivalent a la kwrite with kdebase?`
`17:28.59`	`insanekane`	`annma: dont know what you mean by true KDE ... is kubuntu "true KDE" ?`
`17:29.15`	`annma`	`Lanken: not konsole, what did I say?`
`17:29.18`	`Lanken`	`insanekane: not imo. "System Settings", booo.`
`17:29.19`	`insanekane`	`annma: yeah, i dont mean you should drop your distro ... i just mean you should give it a try ..`
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`17:29.41`	`annma`	`insanekane: I have no time to give distros a try!!! I have kde3 and KDE4 compiled!!!`
`17:30.04`	`insanekane`	`annma: and tell the pardus-devels how to make it much more of a KDE-loving-desktop (if it can be any more) ...`
`17:30.05`	`annma`	`if I change distros i'll have to rebuild it all!!!`
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`17:30.16`	`annma`	`or do you ship me a laptop as well?`
`17:30.25`	`insanekane`	`annma: KDE3/4 is a desktop environment ... only a part of what makes a good distro`
`17:30.35`	`annma`	`I work for kde iin`
`17:30.36`	`insanekane`	`annma: just get the live CD :))))`
`17:30.38`	`annma`	`insanekane:`
`17:30.51`	`insanekane`	`iin /`
`17:30.55`	`insanekane`	`?`
`17:31.05`	`annma`	`iin was an error`
`17:31.18`	`annma`	`I don't master my keyboard`
`17:31.26`	`annma`	`it masters me!!`
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`17:31.38`	`Lanken`	`are you in soviet russia?`
`17:31.48`	`insanekane`	`annma: well, i sure hope you master your keyboard soon ... i wouldnt want you to mess up MY KDE :))))`
`17:31.51`	`annma`	`is kdeedu on the live CD insanekane?`
`17:32.05`	`insanekane`	`my beautiful kde`
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`17:32.25`	`insanekane`	`annma: i dont think so ... but installing packages are a breeze (especially due to the huge compression of packages)`
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`17:33.32`	`annma`	`I want a LiveCD with KDE-Edu`
`17:33.33`	`Lanken`	`insanekane: it says pardus is a niche distribution. Who is it targetting? Desktop users aren't a niche market.`
`17:33.51`	`annma`	`nothing less`
`17:34.00`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: its a Desktop Linux`
`17:34.11`	`insanekane`	`annma: right`
`17:34.34`	`annma`	`the only Live CD with KDE-Edu is Edubuntu, based on Gnome`
`17:34.36`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: wait .. let me rephrase that`
`17:34.47`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: its a desktop OS done right :)`
`17:35.03`	`annma`	`do you target governments in Turkie?`
`17:35.14`	`insanekane`	`annma: ok my dear ... i will make you a live CD of Pardus with KDE-Edu .... will you promise to try it out then ?`
`17:35.26`	`Lanken`	`insanekane: (not getting it) so it's a niche distro in the same sense as Ubuntu is a niche distro?`
`17:35.30`	`insanekane`	`annma: i am not turkish ... and i am not in turkey :)`
`17:35.46`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: yes ... but quite unlike ubuntu`
`17:35.55`	`annma`	`insanekane: India then`
`17:36.07`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: they are willing to break the mould to make a better desktop experience ...`
`17:36.15`	`insanekane`	`annma: yes`
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`17:36.31`	`annma`	`because that's how you'll make it`
`17:36.57`	`annma`	`users have so many distros, I am not sure how they would choose Pardus ouot of the blue`
`17:36.58`	`Lanken`	`insanekane: I'm always scared of small repositories. 1500 is a lot compared to none, but debian and ubuntu are at like 25k`
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`17:37.25`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: do you know how many packagers they have ?`
`17:37.30`	`Lanken`	`s/ubuntu/gentoo`
`17:37.33`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: and, have you seen their packaging system ?`
`17:37.45`	`Lanken`	`all I know is from the review.`
`17:37.54`	`Lanken`	`1577 packages.`
`17:38.00`	`annma`	`dinner time, have to go, a pleasure talking to you insanekane`
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`17:38.07`	`annma`	`bye all`
`17:38.16`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: ah wait ... i will get you a technical document on their pisi packaging system`
`17:38.16`	`insanekane`	`annma: cya later :)`
`17:38.27`	`annma`	`:)*`
`17:39.28`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/pisi/index.html`
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`17:41.06`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: specifically, the number of packages is misleading`
`17:41.36`	`Lanken`	`insanekane: where can I search the pardus repos? I want to know if they have, say, Sweep, to get an idea of how comprehensive the repos are.`
`17:42.01`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: well, there is an application called pisibul ...`
`17:42.13`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: there is a web ui also in construction`
`17:42.28`	`Lanken`	`insanekane: oh, ok, the web database isn't ready?`
`17:42.55`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: http://svn.pardus.org.tr/pardus/devel/ <- thats the packaging svn repo (devel packages only ... there are others, like contrib and playground)`
`17:43.17`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: if you want, i can send you an sqlite3 db (backend db of the pisibul application)`
`17:43.59`	`Lanken`	`dcc is disabled for me, and I'm not sure how to enable it.`
`17:44.35`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: pisibul is updated from a googlepages website ... i've contacted its author, let me ask him`
`17:45.14`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: wait ..`
`17:45.22`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: you can download the pisi-xml`
`17:45.39`	`Lanken`	`yeah, I see it.`
`17:45.41`	`Lanken`	`am doing.`
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`17:45.44`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: http://svn.pardus.org.tr/pardus/devel/pisi-index.xml.bz2`
`17:45.47`	`manuel_`	`hi`
`17:46.22`	`Lanken`	`insanekane: I'm not sure what to view it with though. :X`
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`17:46.38`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: its an xml file :)`
`17:46.52`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: open it with vi (or emacs)`
`17:46.55`	`maki`	`how to rbuild the kmenu`
`17:47.02`	`maki`	`how to rebuild the kmenu`
`17:47.02`	`manuel_`	`how can i switch my desktop resolution with STRG+ALT +"+" i use kubuntu now and this keys do nothing when i use debain the combination works fine`
`17:47.23`	`Lanken`	`insanekane: I probably have the wrong unicode encoding. A lot of it is giggerish.`
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`17:48.25`	`Lanken`	`that's better. still, it's a block of tet.`
`17:48.29`	`Lanken`	`*text`
`17:48.50`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: can you handle an sqlite3 db ?`
`17:48.53`	`Lanken`	`but I can search it, so I'm good.`
`17:49.14`	`insanekane`	`http://ugur.jnmbk.googlepages.com/pisibul.db`
`17:49.21`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: http://ugur.jnmbk.googlepages.com/pisibul.db`
`17:49.46`	`Lanken`	`yeah, I don't know if I have anything to view that with. Would gnumeric be able?`
`17:50.52`	`Lanken`	`answer: no.`
`17:50.52`	`insanekane`	`umm ...`
`17:50.52`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: how about sqlite :)`
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`17:50.52`	`insanekane`	`sqlite3 pisibul.db`
`17:50.53`	`Lanken`	`nah, this xml is fine. I can search it.`
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`17:50.59`	`Lanken`	`insanekane: is that going to be installed?`
`17:51.09`	`manuel_`	`has anybody an idea?`
`17:51.16`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: usually, ytes`
`17:51.24`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: just try it in your console`
`17:51.47`	`Lanken`	`yeah, I don't have it. Yay for gentoo letting me not have things I don't need. :)`
`17:51.53`	`Lanken`	`didn't think I needed...`
`17:52.11`	`x_link`	`hmm`
`17:52.14`	`x_link`	`Anybody here using irssi?`
`17:52.50`	`Sho_`	`-> #irssi`
`17:53.02`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: btw, pardus started out (a long time ago) as a gentoo derivative ...`
`17:53.12`	`Lanken`	`insanekane: I know, from the article.`
`17:53.14`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: select name, version, ensummary from packages;`
`17:53.23`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: thats the query`
`17:53.28`	`insanekane`	`ah ok`
`17:53.58`	`Sho_`	`(How do I know that pinotree is busy? He isn't complaining about 20 minute of talk about a distro-specific package manager ;)`
`17:54.25`	`insanekane`	`Sho_: ahahaha :)`
`17:54.41`	`pinotree`	`i always trust too much other people's willing to keep the topic on their own`
`17:54.59`	`pinotree`	`in case, i can start kicking people in the butt any time`
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`17:55.32`	`insanekane`	`pinotree: hahaha :)`
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`17:56.12`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: anyway, i have to go now :/ ... cya laterz ... and i really do hope you check out pardus live cd`
`17:56.18`	`insanekane`	`when you get the time of course`
`17:56.52`	`Lanken`	`yep. more distros should push kde. It's really better. =D`
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`17:57.49`	`x_link`	`Sho_: It's a Konsole thing. not irssi`
`17:57.57`	`insanekane`	`Lanken: :)`
`17:58.02`	`insanekane`	`so cya later all`
`17:58.08`	`pinotree`	`<x_link> Anybody here using irssi?`
`17:58.15`	`insanekane`	`and I hope i didnt offend anyone with the advertisement`
`17:58.21`	`Sho_`	`x_link: I occassionally run irssi in Konsole while testing Konversation, yes`
`17:58.22`	`pinotree`	`when did you say that it was a konsole thing?`
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`18:04.29`	`x_link`	`pinotree: I didn't I know ;D`
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`18:04.39`	`x_link`	`Anyway I don't know what to do.`
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`18:09.09`	`Lanken`	`I know this is off topic but just now I'm looking at a linux OEM's website, and I'm really surprised. They'll build me a core 2 duo laptop with 2 GB ram for under a thousand $US`
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`18:14.39`	`romeo`	`I am trying to install a window decoration.. when i run ./configure i get this error:`
`18:14.55`	`romeo`	`in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!`
`18:15.07`	`romeo`	`Anyidea how i can fix it?`
`18:15.23`	`PhilRod`	`./configure --prefix=/where/kde-devel/is/installed`
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`18:15.41`	`PhilRod`	`and you need to install the KDE headers, which are probably in a package called kdelibs-devel or similar`
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`18:17.05`	`romeo`	`PhilRod: Ok.. Hum.. I tried to install the headers you mentioned, it gave me:`
`18:17.12`	`romeo`	`ackage kdelibs-dev is a virtual package provided by:`
`18:17.13`	`romeo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:17.27`	`pinotree`	`#ubuntu for packages`
`18:20.18`	`MadDwarf`	`Hi. I am trying to install KDE on Debian Etch. When i apt-get install kde, I get lots of 404 not found errors from my mirror (deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free). what mirror shoudl I use, or is there a different solution?`
`18:20.49`	`pinotree`	`MadDwarf: #debian please`
`18:21.00`	`pinotree`	`we don't offer support for distro-specific stuff`
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`18:21.03`	`MadDwarf`	`ok thnx`
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`18:21.37`	`romeo`	`where is usually the kde dev folder?`
`18:21.55`	`PhilRod`	`wherever your distro puts it. I think it's /usr on debian`
`18:22.03`	`romeo`	`I go a kubuntu`
`18:22.10`	`romeo`	`got*`
`18:22.14`	`PhilRod`	`s/debian/debian and derivatives/`
`18:22.20`	`pinotree`	`romeo: the configure will detect it, if i'm not mistaken`
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`18:24.24`	`romeo`	pinotree: I am installing a window decoration. and when I type configure it says i should do it like this: $ ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` .. Worked fine.. but when i type "make".. It gave me LOADS of errors. The first two is kdecoration.h no such file or directory and kdecorationfactory no such file or directory. Any ideas?
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`18:24.59`	`pinotree`	`you miss the devel of kdebase, most probably`
`18:25.13`	`PhilRod`	`romeo: paste the errors to a pasteboard and put the link (not the output) in this channel`
`18:26.15`	`romeo`	`ok will do`
`18:26.52`	`PhilRod`	`but install kdebase-dev first, like pinotree suggested`
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`18:30.20`	`romeo`	`PhilRod: Ok. i installed the base package now.. Do i need to unmake when i wrote "make".. or should i configure agai, then make, make install?`
`18:30.42`	`romeo`	`Uhm that made no sense i guess`
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`18:31.16`	`romeo`	`What i mean is. I did: ./configure and "make"... Do i need to Undo those things? or can i just enter "make" now after i installed base package?`
`18:31.35`	`pinotree`	`just continue with make`
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`18:31.56`	`elvin\|coder`	`good day. does anyone use konqueror as a file manager here? I've got a problem with multi-column view. When I try to simply iterate through the list by pressing 'down' key, it sometimes skips one or more entries. sometimes I can press 'up' and focus the needed entry, but sometimes konqueror skips it in both directions. are there any solutions to this problem? thanks.`
`18:32.10`	`PhilRod`	`known bug in qlistview`
`18:32.16`	`PhilRod`	`quite cute, actually`
`18:32.27`	`undesktop`	`a cute bug?`
`18:32.31`	`PhilRod`	`there's an entry in the kde bug tracker for it, but I don't remember it offhand`
`18:32.32`	`undesktop`	`maybe one should still kill it`
`18:32.35`	`undesktop`	`merciless!`
`18:32.39`	`undesktop`	`cruel!`
`18:32.42`	`PhilRod`	`undesktop: yup`
`18:32.45`	`undesktop`	`kruel even!`
`18:33.11`	`elvin\|coder`	`that 'cuteness' becomes a real fantasy when you do the same with the 'shift' key holded down... :)`
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`18:35.12`	`elvin\|coder`	`at least I know I'm not the only one suffering...`
`18:35.19`	`elvin\|coder`	`thanks anyway :)`
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`18:37.38`	`PhilRod`	`d'oh, he left, and I just found the bug number`
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`18:44.58`	`n8k99`	`is there a way to make kde work for two button only mouse?`
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`18:45.17`	`n8k99`	`if it is on a pen tablet?`
`18:45.23`	`lavacano201014`	`dunno`
`18:45.29`	`lavacano201014`	`dont have a pen tablet`
`18:45.57`	`PhilRod`	`n8k99: make sure that X knows about it, and it should work with kde`
`18:46.31`	`n8k99`	`x knows about it- just can't get the second button on the pen to act like RMB`
`18:46.36`	`lavacano201014`	`i got my computer dualbooting kde and windows now`
`18:46.41`	`n8k99`	`except on the desktop`
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`18:46.52`	`lavacano201014`	`make sure you enable rmb support`
`18:46.58`	`lavacano201014`	`now i can be a help`
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`18:47.23`	`n8k99`	`rmb support is enabled`
`18:47.49`	`lavacano201014`	`faulty hardware?`
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`18:48.16`	`n8k99`	`no, it works properly as a second button in krita/gimp`
`18:48.25`	`PhilRod`	`n8k99: check that xev sees the event`
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`18:48.34`	`n8k99`	`how PhilRod`
`18:48.46`	`PhilRod`	`run xev, click on the button over the xev window`
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`18:48.52`	`PhilRod`	`check that you see some output`
`18:49.06`	`PhilRod`	`(you have to run xev from a konsole so you can see the output)`
`18:49.28`	`PhilRod`	`dinnertime, bbl`
`18:49.32`	`n8k99`	`it has an output-`
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`18:52.54`	`lavacano201014`	`lousy coworker`
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`18:53.33`	`n8k99`	`xev sees the second button on the pen as button 2`
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`18:54.05`	`n8k99`	`how do i get kde to recognize button 2 as RMB? any idea?`
`18:54.30`	`lavacano201014`	`configure the hardware?`
`18:54.54`	`n8k99`	`ok- how do you suggest i do that?`
`18:55.20`	`lavacano201014`	`control center > peripherals`
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`18:57.22`	`n8k99`	`lavacano201014: um, that would give me the mouse dialog, which has no place to specify that my mouse/pointer only has two buttons`
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`18:57.52`	`lavacano201014`	`well its supposde to autodetect`
`18:57.56`	`x_link`	`Sho_: I don't know what the problem is.`
`18:57.58`	`lavacano201014`	`supposed`
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`18:58.08`	`x_link`	`That message just comes up sometimes in my irssi window`
`18:58.19`	`x_link`	`Where I type my letters.`
`18:59.05`	`n8k99`	`i realize that lavacano201014 it does mostly`
`19:00.03`	`Zaba`	`hm`
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`19:00.22`	`lavacano201014`	`try saying you have a new mouse`
`19:00.32`	`Zaba`	`-,-`
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`19:01.25`	`roerich`	`Zaba: try out the trunk version`
`19:01.27`	`n8k99`	`hmm, there maybe something truncated in kcontrol on kubuntu`
`19:01.39`	`n8k99`	`as i do not have the option of telling it i have a new mouse`
`19:01.42`	`Zaba`	`roerich, nah, don't wanna be spoiled :P`
`19:01.44`	`Zaba`	`afk`
`19:01.51`	`lavacano201014`	`i havent run kde in a long time`
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`19:02.15`	`lavacano201014`	`and i have never run it as a tablet os`
`19:02.23`	`lavacano201014`	`so i dont know`
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`19:03.01`	`n8k99`	`right- thanks`
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`19:10.28`	`babali`	`Hi, do you know how works 256 colors under konsole ?`
`19:12.01`	`Lanken`	`afaik konsole is targetted at 16-color applications.`
`19:12.18`	`Lanken`	`you can set those colors to anything you like, but you just get 16 (I think)`
`19:12.52`	`lavacano201014`	`im developing a shell thing to change the colors of your shell`
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`19:12.56`	`annma`	`it was asked in the survey about extending it`
`19:12.58`	`lavacano201014`	`ive got an underliner`
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`19:13.53`	`Lanken`	`annma: result? or link?`
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`19:15.15`	`annma`	`link, it was a dot story`
`19:15.41`	`annma`	`http://dot.kde.org/1174329802/`
`19:16.04`	`thiago`	`~kde4`
`19:16.11`	`apt`	`The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule).`
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`19:17.00`	`Lanken`	`when did the bot come back online?`
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`19:17.16`	`thiago`	`apt: no, kde4 is <reply>The first KDE 4 release -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released sometime in the Fourth Quarter of 2007. See http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule for the official schedule. Current target release date: October 23rd.`
`19:17.18`	`apt`	`okay, thiago`
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`19:17.49`	`Lanken`	`~kde4`
`19:17.50`	`apt`	`The first KDE 4 release -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released sometime in the Fourth Quarter of 2007. See http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule for the official schedule. Current target release date: October 23rd.`
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`19:19.48`	`Lanken`	`apt: no, kde4 is <reply>The first KDE 4 release -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released sometime in the Fourth Quarter of 2007. See http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule for the official schedule. The current target release date is October 23rd.`
`19:19.49`	`apt`	`Lanken: okay`
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`19:19.59`	Ionic`	`Hi, is there any Glossy P like theme for Qt/KDE out there?`
`19:20.03`	`Lanken`	`~kde4`
`19:20.04`	`apt`	`The first KDE 4 release -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released sometime in the Fourth Quarter of 2007. See http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule for the official schedule. The current target release date is October 23rd.`
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`19:20.39`	`Lanken`	`apt: no, kde4 is <reply>The first KDE 4 release -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released sometime in the Fourth Quarter of 2007. See http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule for the official schedule. Current target release date: October 23rd.`
`19:20.41`	`apt`	`Lanken: okay`
`19:20.53`	`Lanken`	`I see. :)`
`19:21.03`	`Lanken`	`~konversation`
`19:21.04`	`apt`	`hmm... konversation is a user-friendly IRC client at http://www.konversation.org.`
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`19:21.21`	`Lanken`	`~yakuake`
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`19:22.02`	`BQ-AFK`	`Hi people I need opinions. I have an AMD duron 800 and a p3 600. It seems like the p3 is fast, even with only 2/3 the ram.`
`19:22.10`	`Sho_`	`thiago: My version was better, imho`
`19:22.22`	`Lanken`	`apt: no, yakuake is <reply>Yakuake is a drop-down quake-style terminal emulator that uses the Konsole kpart.`
`19:22.25`	`apt`	`Lanken: okay`
`19:22.27`	`BQ-AFK`	`Has anyone heard or read anything that would indicate that the p3 is faster?`
`19:22.31`	`pinotree`	`if you have at least 256mb or ram, kde can run nicely on both`
`19:23.57`	`BQ-AFK`	`I have 1 gig for the amd (MSI 6330 lite) and 3 quarters of a gig for the p3 on an intel board`
`19:24.15`	`Lanken`	`that means it has 3/4 the ram, not 2/3 :P`
`19:24.20`	`annma`	`that's lots of RAM`
`19:24.27`	`BQ-AFK`	`Aye`
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`19:24.42`	`thiago`	`Sho_: oops, I didn't read the entire line.`
`19:24.56`	`thiago`	`Sho_: I read "it will be released when it's ready" and assumed it was my old.`
`19:24.58`	`thiago`	`Sho_: sorry.`
`19:25.15`	`Sho_`	`thiago: np.`
`19:25.52`	`Sho_`	`apt: no, kde4 is <reply>The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule).`
`19:25.53`	`apt`	`okay, Sho_`
`19:26.20`	`Sho_`	`btw, what's the syntax for doing that in a query so one doesn't have to pollute the channel?`
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`19:32.56`	`Lanken`	`~syntax`
`19:32.57`	`apt`	`Syntax is exactly the same as in the channel, but without the "apt: ". So it's just "no, $trigger is <reply>$message".`
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`19:33.37`	`Lanken`	`~syntax`
`19:33.39`	`apt`	`Syntax in /query is exactly the same as in the channel, but without the "apt: ". So it's just "no, $trigger is <reply>$message".`
`19:33.46`	`Sho_`	`ah, thanks`
`19:33.46`	`Lanken`	`good. :)`
`19:34.03`	`Lanken`	`and if the notice doesn't exist yet, you don't need the "no, "`
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`19:38.10`	`Lanken`	`Sho_: I haven't had any luck on google with this. How do you skin yakuake?`
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`19:38.29`	`oneforall`	`http://rafb.net/p/NBjHzj55.html`
`19:38.35`	`oneforall`	`any ideas`
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`19:38.59`	`Sho_`	`Lanken: Have a look at the default skin :)`
`19:39.19`	`annma`	`oneforall: paste field.h line 81`
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`19:39.33`	`oneforall`	`ok`
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`19:42.38`	`Lanken`	`Sho_: would that be in ~/.kde/something.... I'm going looking, don't tell me.`
`19:42.45`	`oneforall`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`19:44.13`	`annma`	`oneforall: the code is from where please?`
`19:44.28`	`Sho_`	`Lanken: That would be in the Yakuake tarball, for example ;)`
`19:44.50`	`Lanken`	`Sho_: oh...but I got it with portage. Do you have to skin it at compile time?`
`19:44.54`	`oneforall`	`kdelibs-3.5.6/kabc`
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`19:45.24`	`annma`	`oneforall: KDE tarball?`
`19:45.29`	`oneforall`	`yes`
`19:45.31`	`Sho_`	`Lanken: Then it's in /usr/share/apps/yakuake`
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`19:45.52`	`Lanken`	`Sho_: that was my next guess. locate didn't turn anything up in ~`
`19:46.02`	`DaSkreech`	`KDE4 Schedule :-D`
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`19:46.37`	`oneforall`	`few more in there thta error out`
`19:46.54`	`annma`	`oneforall: we need the first error`
`19:47.03`	`annma`	`is it the first error on make?`
`19:47.16`	`Sho_`	`Lanken: Apps obviously don't install global resources into home directories`
`19:47.17`	`oneforall`	`kab2kabc.cpp:108: quit a few from that one`
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`19:47.31`	`annma`	`oneforall: ?`
`19:47.37`	`annma`	`oneforall: when you do make`
`19:47.47`	`annma`	`in kdelibs, what is the FIRST error?`
`19:47.52`	`oneforall`	`yup`
`19:48.02`	`oneforall`	`just looking to see if I missed one`
`19:48.24`	`DaSkreech`	`It's going to miss kubuntu Ship date though`
`19:48.24`	`annma`	`also look if you have the file adressee.cpp in the same dir`
`19:49.21`	`annma`	`oneforall: look at the file adressee.h and paste line 90 from this file please`
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`19:50.58`	`oneforall`	`http://rafb.net/p/A21VR216.html thjeres a chunk beofre it`
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`19:51.05`	`oneforall`	`ok`
`19:51.06`	`Lanken`	`Sho_: different users would want different skins, I thought. Certainly the default shouldn't be in ~ though, that's true.`
`19:51.22`	`Sho_`	`DaSkreech: Given that it likely won't make 2007 anyway and integration 4.0 into a distro properly might take months, it should be a good fit for the first 2008 release, though`
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`19:51.43`	`DaSkreech`	`Sho_: It's expeceted to slip by 2 months?`
`19:52.06`	`Lanken`	`Sho_: by the way, I just stumbled on some kde goodness. At the "open with..." dialogue I said "kdesu kolourpaint" So now I won't have to jump through hoops to save it :)`
`19:52.16`	`oneforall`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:52.28`	`Sho_`	`Lanken: You can put your customized skin(s) into the home hierarchy, yes`
`19:52.30`	`annma`	`64 bit machine`
`19:52.44`	`oneforall`	`yes`
`19:52.46`	`romeo`	`Hmm.. How come some themes are not possible to use? I am in the theme manager, added the kth and pressed "apply".. Nothing happends.. this is with many themes like this.. any idea?`
`19:52.51`	`annma`	`I never used that, I avoided buying one oneforall`
`19:52.52`	`Sho_`	`DaSkreech: I wouldn't make any critical plans based on that October date, anyway`
`19:53.09`	`annma`	`romeo: are they for the correct version of KDE?`
`19:53.11`	`DaSkreech`	`Sho_: no but if it is going to be close it would still be a shame`
`19:53.33`	`Sho_`	`DaSkreech: Missing the ship date isn't particularly relevant`
`19:53.37`	`romeo`	`annma: It says: Depends on: KDE 3.x..`
`19:53.42`	`Sho_`	`the Kubuntu ship date, I mean`
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`19:53.49`	`SSJ_GZ`	`romeo: Which theme?`
`19:53.59`	`romeo`	`SSJ_GZ: The dark pengui`
`19:54.01`	`romeo`	`n`
`19:54.01`	`Sho_`	`DaSkreech: Missing the freeze date is what matters, and it will miss that by a long shot even if it releases on schedule on 10/23`
`19:54.31`	`annma`	`oneforall: you have the adressee.h file?`
`19:54.41`	`oneforall`	`yup`
`19:55.27`	`Sho_`	`DaSkreech: It's not like Kubuntu could drop in 4 on the eve of their release`
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`19:55.28`	`oneforall`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:55.28`	`SSJ_GZ`	`romeo: Based on the comments, it looks like the theme is simply broken.`
`19:55.28`	`annma`	`oneforall:`
`19:55.28`	`annma`	`In file included from kab2kabc.cpp:35:`
`19:55.28`	`annma`	`addressbook.h:29:23: error: addressee.h: No such file or directory`
`19:55.29`	`annma`	`oneforall: this is in your second pastebin file`
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`19:55.29`	`DaSkreech`	`Sho_: Well they build KDE4 now and if the RC is really a month before the release they could track it close enough`
`19:55.29`	`oneforall`	`ah not finding it`
`19:55.30`	`annma`	`so you don't have the addressee.h file`
`19:55.46`	`annma`	`that's why you nbeed to look at the FIRST error`
`19:55.50`	`oneforall`	`addressee.h`
`19:55.58`	`oneforall`	`in the same dir`
`19:55.58`	`Sho_`	`DaSkreech: Not as a default desktop, that would be insane`
`19:55.58`	`SSJ_GZ`	`romeo: Or maybe not. I'll see if it works for me :)`
`19:56.05`	`annma`	`ls -la addressee.h`
`19:56.09`	`DaSkreech`	`Man I don't wanna ship A year after vista :(`
`19:56.18`	`DaSkreech`	`Maybe 4.1 would be out by then :-)`
`19:56.27`	`oneforall`	`ls -la addressee.h`
`19:56.27`	`oneforall`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19565 2007-03-20 23:24 addressee.h`
`19:56.32`	`oneforall`	`I was in it too :D`
`19:56.33`	`romeo`	`SSJ_GZ: Well its not only that one.. Ive had severa, tbh all the dark ones i tried.. they wont work for me =(`
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`19:56.40`	`oneforall`	`that was line 90 from it`
`19:57.01`	`oneforall`	`will have to see where that addressbook.h:29:23: is looking`
`19:57.20`	`annma`	`root!`
`19:57.35`	`annma`	`do you issue make as root????`
`19:57.47`	`oneforall`	`yes that fine`
`19:57.54`	`annma`	`no that's not`
`19:58.04`	`annma`	`you should compile as your user, not as root`
`19:58.28`	`oneforall`	`no its a syrem cross compile build . its the same way pat does it`
`19:59.00`	`annma`	`pat?`
`19:59.12`	`oneforall`	`it root compiles for the main system .`
`19:59.28`	`annma`	`well then it does not see the file so now you know where to look`
`19:59.32`	`annma`	`I cannot help further`
`19:59.44`	`SSJ_GZ`	`romeo: Nope, doesn't work here, either. kcmshell kthememanager spits out quite a few warnings - I just don't think it's been packaged correctly :/`
`20:00.07`	`romeo`	`SSJ_GZ: Ah okey.. Oh well, thanks for testing it out for me`
`20:00.26`	`SSJ_GZ`	`romeo: np. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.`
`20:00.53`	`oneforall`	`#include "addressee.h" hmm should have found it`
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`20:02.46`	`oneforall`	`#include "field.h" found that thou`
`20:03.45`	`oneforall`	`some apps I have seen whenits #include "blah" they have them in theree own include dir`
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`20:06.38`	`smir`	`anyone an idea if kdevelop supports chosing another gcc for a specific project?`
`20:07.02`	`DaSkreech`	`Sho_: Probably not as default but as an optional unsupported Cd`
`20:07.18`	`DaSkreech`	`pretty much what they do now for interim relelases of KDE3`
`20:08.02`	`annma`	`smir: how would it pick it?`
`20:08.29`	`annma`	`I mean in konsole for example`
`20:08.45`	`annma`	`if you do it without kdevelop, how do you do it?`
`20:09.05`	`smir`	`i'd set the gcc variable to point to /opt/bla`
`20:09.48`	`oneforall`	`annma thanks I never noticed that one . getting tired . I don't see a typo there . weird it finds the others`
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`20:11.05`	`annma`	`smir: set it in the project options then`
`20:11.10`	`annma`	`in kdevelop`
`20:11.21`	`smir`	`k, thx`
`20:11.42`	`annma`	`in tab make options you have a box for environment variables`
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`20:14.47`	`mars^`	`Hi, what is standard font in windows? I am asking because i am having problems setting right font in opera.`
`20:15.42`	`thiago`	`the KDE default font is "Sans"`
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`20:17.47`	`mars^`	`Yep, but i am asking about windows default`
`20:18.10`	`thiago`	`right, and I am answering KDE's default`
`20:18.13`	`thiago`	`that should be enough for you`
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`20:18.44`	`annma`	`mars^: you're in #kde here, not in #windows`
`20:18.45`	`thiago`	`if you want to know more about Windows, I suggest a Windows channel.`
`20:18.56`	`DaSkreech`	`mars^: try #windows`
`20:19.05`	`annma`	`mars^: obviously we use KDE here`
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`20:22.15`	`DaSkreech`	`or we are a E17 troll :)`
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`20:23.04`	`mars^`	`ok, but you schould help me if i ask you about possibly the similiarest font to windows`
`20:23.30`	`annma`	`how? we don't have what you call windows`
`20:23.40`	`annma`	`we run free software`
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`20:23.48`	`mars^`	`ok`
`20:23.52`	`mars^`	`who cares`
`20:23.55`	`annma`	`we do`
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`20:25.59`	`PhilRod`	`hi annma - ltns! how are you?`
`20:26.07`	`Lanken`	`portage doesn't want me goofing off. emerge is hanging while compiling zsnes.`
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`20:26.22`	`annma`	`hi PhilRod, I'm great thanks`
`20:26.32`	`annma`	`PhilRod: you?`
`20:26.37`	`PhilRod`	`cool, good to hear :-)`
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`20:27.00`	`PhilRod`	`I'm fine, keeping up with the phd, trying to find somewhere to live next year, etc`
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`20:27.12`	`Renze`	`so we can't call you Dr. Phil yet?`
`20:27.22`	`PhilRod`	`not for another three years, unfortunately`
`20:27.22`	`maki`	`i deleted /usr/share/applications :(`
`20:27.49`	`maki`	`any way to fix whitout reinstaling apps`
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`20:27.54`	`annma`	`PhD is a long road`
`20:27.55`	`lavacano201014`	`/jion #windows`
`20:27.59`	`lavacano201014`	`aw crap`
`20:28.08`	`lavacano201014`	`damn thee gaim`
`20:28.14`	`[GALAXY]`	`PhD is it really a long road ? longer than MSC ?`
`20:28.16`	`annma`	`maki: hmmm, distro?`
`20:28.17`	`PhilRod`	`annma: yeah, although a bit shorter here than it is on the continent`
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`20:28.27`	`maki`	`kubuntu 7.04`
`20:28.36`	`PhilRod`	`[GALAXY]: varies by country. Here in the UK it's three or four years (I'll probably take 4)`
`20:28.44`	`Renze`	`PhilRod: you're incontinent? ;)`
`20:28.45`	`PhilRod`	`AIUI, it's longer in the US`
`20:28.50`	`[GALAXY]`	`4 years for phd.. wow..`
`20:28.52`	`annma`	`my husband was 24 when he finished`
`20:28.54`	`[GALAXY]`	`8 semesters.`
`20:28.57`	`PhilRod`	`Renze: nah, just incompetent`
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`20:29.12`	`annma`	`maki: so you were root in order to do so?`
`20:29.13`	`[GALAXY]`	`i started a parttime study at university again...`
`20:29.14`	`PhilRod`	`I already broke the experiment once, with my first (one-line) cvs commit`
`20:29.35`	`[GALAXY]`	`did computer and economics science before an dnow continue..`
`20:29.36`	`maki`	`annma:yes`
`20:29.51`	`annma`	`maki: :( that's bad`
`20:29.54`	`maki`	`i was trying to rebuild the kmenu`
`20:30.02`	`annma`	`never be root!`
`20:30.16`	`PhilRod`	`maki: what distro?`
`20:30.18`	`annma`	`try a new user when something is wrong`
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`20:30.27`	`annma`	`KUbuntu PhilRod`
`20:30.41`	`Lanken`	`maki: at least you didn't delete all of /usr/. I've done that.`
`20:30.42`	`maki`	`i make a mistake`
`20:31.15`	`annma`	`ask in #kubuntu what to do maki`
`20:31.27`	`PhilRod`	`Lanken: I accidentally created a directory called '~' and then ran 'rm -rf ~' a few months ago, before I realized what I'd done`
`20:31.30`	`Lanken`	`maki: just be happy if apt still works.`
`20:31.30`	`Renze`	`Lanken: how'd you manage that?`
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`20:31.32`	`PhilRod`	`that was hairy`
`20:31.41`	`maki`	`everything works`
`20:31.49`	`DaSkreech`	`Koffice is crazy!`
`20:31.54`	`Lanken`	`maki: if you have to reinstall everything, just be happy you're not recompiling everything.`
`20:31.55`	`lavacano_plugins`	`wtf philrod?`
`20:31.59`	`maki`	`only the kmenu is empty`
`20:32.00`	`DaSkreech`	`They use a base 26 number for the sheets??`
`20:32.09`	`annma`	`maki: everything works now?`
`20:32.14`	`Lanken`	`maki: you can repopulate the kmenu by hand, if you need to.`
`20:32.15`	`PhilRod`	`lavacano_plugins: wtf what?`
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`20:32.31`	`maki`	`no i will reinstal the apps`
`20:32.43`	`lavacano_plugins`	`philrod: howd you manage making a ~ directory?`
`20:32.45`	`Lanken`	`PhilRod: you win. I just had to reinstall. I hope you had backups.`
`20:32.50`	`lavacano_plugins`	`thats not right`
`20:33.15`	`PhilRod`	`turns out that if you do "cmake -DSOME_CMAKE_VAR=~/foo" it doesn't expand the ~`
`20:33.48`	`lavacano_plugins`	`i just use mkdir`
`20:34.02`	`annma`	`cmake is still young thus not mature enough`
`20:34.02`	`DaSkreech`	`Lanken: A friend of Mine deleted / on Gentoo.....`
`20:34.16`	`PhilRod`	`Lanken: I don't know what actually happened, 'cos I couldn't find anything that had gone. Either I got extremely lucky and it deleted some junk that I never use, or 'rm' didn't expand the ~`
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`20:34.22`	`annma`	`I deleted / once too when I tried to build rpms for Mandrake`
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`20:34.33`	`PhilRod`	`I want to do that, see what happens :-)`
`20:34.35`	`lavacano_plugins`	`DaSkreech: that dude better have reinstalled gentoo`
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`20:35.04`	`Lanken`	`Renze: somehow I got the bright idea to delete a chroot from within it, and I started with /usr and it didn't totally work, so I left the chroot and did "sudo rm -rf /usr" when I should have done "sudo rm -rf usr"`
`20:35.09`	`Lanken`	`one little damn slash.`
`20:35.21`	`Renze`	`Lanken: oops ;)`
`20:36.23`	`Renze`	`the worse I've done is the accidental space that removes some files I wanted to keep: 'rm * .c' for example`
`20:36.26`	`Lanken`	`emerge is hanging on a zsnes install`
`20:36.29`	`Renze`	`worst*`
`20:36.41`	`Renze`	`Lanken: that sounds like a job for #gentoo ;)`
`20:36.47`	`DaSkreech`	`lavacano_plugins: Oh Yeah try do that in a hurry`
`20:37.06`	`Lanken`	`dammit why do I type /join #gentoo if I'm not going to move over there before typing....`
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`20:39.06`	`Lanken`	`trying it with opengl flagged down.`
`20:39.15`	`Lanken`	`:\`
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`20:42.00`	`Lanken`	`wait why am I trying to use emerge to get zsnes anyway.`
`20:42.08`	`Lanken`	`>:(`
`20:43.41`	`pinotree`	`Lanken: #gentoo`
`20:44.02`	`lavacano201014`	`some gentoo uses kde`
`20:44.09`	`lavacano201014`	`some use gnome`
`20:44.17`	`lavacano201014`	`mine isnt working`
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`20:44.42`	`[GALAXY]`	`well i have a different experience in "using" :)`
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`20:45.34`	`sabayonlive-1152`	`i'm having some trouble changing my resolution. every time i try it, i get distortions all over. any suggestions?`
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`20:49.37`	`Lanken`	`sabayonuser: screenshot?`
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`20:52.32`	`sabayonuser`	`what's the screenshot shortcut combo? sry im new to linux`
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`20:53.57`	`ArTo`	`sorry hehe`
`20:54.55`	`sabayonuser`	`ok 1 sex`
`20:54.58`	`sabayonuser`	`sec`
`20:55.12`	`vallor`	`hey, does one have to run kdesktop to get multiple panels configured and running with kicker?`
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`20:56.00`	`annma`	`hmm you run them on the KDE desktop?`
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`20:56.49`	`vallor`	`annma: I'm using nautilus w/kicker as my program launcher`
`20:57.15`	`[GALAXY]`	`haha nautilus..`
`20:57.24`	`annma`	`nautilus is a desktop?`
`20:57.24`	`[GALAXY]`	`and "using" in one sentence`
`20:57.28`	`vallor`	`and beryl :)`
`20:57.30`	`[GALAXY]`	`no its gnomes filemanager`
`20:57.40`	`vallor`	`I have it running in the root window`
`20:57.43`	`annma`	`vallor: so what desktop then?`
`20:58.22`	`annma`	`or window manager`
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`20:58.43`	`vallor`	`with its little icons and such -- running beryl as the window manager, emerald as the decoration manager, and kicker to launch software -- I guess it would be mostly gnome (due to nautilus on the root window), but it's more of a frankendesktop`
`20:58.52`	`sabayonuser`	`lanken, you there?`
`20:59.22`	`vallor`	`this could help:`
`20:59.24`	`[GALAXY]`	`vallor: so how do you expect to get support for a not supported "self made desktop"`
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`20:59.28`	`annma`	`no idea what service it takes to run only kicker`
`20:59.32`	`vallor`	`what does one do to add a panel to a kde desktop?`
`20:59.42`	`vallor`	`[GALAXY]: I`
`20:59.50`	`annma`	`you right click on the panel vallor`
`20:59.55`	`lontra`	`vallor: right click on panel and hit add new panel`
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`21:00.00`	`vallor`	`[GALAXY]: It may be a kicker configuration thingy`
`21:00.04`	`annma`	`and you choose Add New panel`
`21:00.08`	`vallor`	`I'll do that then, bbias`
`21:00.41`	`willwork4foo`	`hiya. Anyone know much about IRKick? I'm trying to work out exactly how to configure the number buttons on my remote control...`
`21:00.49`	`vallor`	`okay, I'm running kdesktop now...`
`21:01.12`	`willwork4foo`	`Got all the other buttons mapped to functions in Kaffeine, but I can't map the number buttons`
`21:01.42`	`vallor`	`eeek!`
`21:01.47`	`vallor`	`thanks guys, now I feel dumb, hehe`
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`21:02.18`	`willwork4foo`	`anyone got any ideas on IRKick?`
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`21:05.21`	`pinotree`	`RockMan: can you help willwork4foo?`
`21:05.51`	`StevenR`	`willwork4foo: !!`
`21:05.56`	`RockMan`	`err.. uhm, well, think so...`
`21:06.05`	`RockMan`	`willwork4foo: what's wrong exactly?`
`21:06.09`	`oneforall`	`shlib-undefined KoStore.lo KoTarStore.lo KoDirectoryStore.lo KoZipStore.lo KoStoreDrag.lo KoStoreBase.lo KoXmlWriter.lo -lkio g++: /lib64/libacl.so: No such file or directory what is it using to make it look there and not /usr/lib{64} too if it fails there`
`21:06.27`	`willwork4foo`	`I'm trying to make the number buttons work on my remote.`
`21:06.36`	`pinotree`	`oneforall: #koffice`
`21:06.45`	`oneforall`	`yup`
`21:06.57`	`oneforall`	`err ok`
`21:07.05`	`RockMan`	`willwork4foo: first, it works with lirc?`
`21:07.14`	`willwork4foo`	`I'm trying to find the DCOP option / whatever that will enable me to simulate numpad keypresses`
`21:07.15`	`RockMan`	`willwork4foo: irw in a console, and try that button`
`21:07.28`	`RockMan`	`willwork4foo: aah.. you mean that then...`
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`21:07.37`	`willwork4foo`	`it works beautifully with all the other buttons`
`21:07.40`	`RockMan`	`willwork4foo: try grabbing lineakd, it has a keypress simulator`
`21:07.41`	`willwork4foo`	`I've mapped all of those`
`21:08.00`	`willwork4foo`	`no, I've managed this before using KDE's standard stuff I just can't remember how`
`21:08.14`	`RockMan`	`mmh`
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`21:09.50`	`willwork4foo`	`it's one of the many many options within IRKick when you choose the "I wish to manually select a function from a running program"`
`21:09.51`	`root`	`hi`
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`21:10.41`	`willwork4foo`	`there are SHEDLOADS of options in there. And I can't work out which one it is that will pass just a number through to stdin`
`21:11.01`	`root`	`hello everybody`
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`21:11.34`	`RockMan`	`willwork4foo: dunnow.. i configured it to run xsendkeys, nothing more`
`21:12.00`	`willwork4foo`	`ok RockMan thanks then :)`
`21:12.25`	`root`	`I Have problems to login my Primary User with the kdm login. It moves back to the login screen without loading KDE. But I have the following message in my /var/log/messages: http://rafb.net/p/FJ60PE32.html Can anybody tell me what this means? Thanks`
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`21:13.18`	`nikolavp`	`root: check the way u set your user`
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`21:14.06`	`root`	`nikolavp: what do you mean how I set my user?`
`21:14.31`	`nikolavp`	`i mean the way u made the user :)`
`21:14.43`	`nikolavp`	`take a look at the $HOME dir options`
`21:14.53`	`root`	`the user was created by the installer of my sabayon linux`
`21:14.56`	`nikolavp`	`what does echo $HOME backs u in the konsole`
`21:15.08`	`nikolavp`	`i think it is a problem with no access of writing in that dir`
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`21:15.42`	`root`	`yes it returns me the normal /home/pascal for my user`
`21:16.13`	`root`	`and the rights seam to be ok to.`
`21:16.18`	`nikolavp`	`does this dir belongs to u`
`21:16.22`	`nikolavp`	`ls -l /home`
`21:16.31`	`root`	`can you tell me a name of a file wicht the error in messages belongs to?`
`21:16.50`	`nikolavp`	`well i think it is the whole /home/pascal/.kde dir`
`21:17.07`	`root`	`owner is "pascal" group is "users",`
`21:17.56`	`root`	`ne user pascal is owner of /home/pascal/.kde and the right for u is rwx`
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`21:19.03`	`nikolavp`	`no idea then`
`21:19.21`	`root`	`ok thanks`
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`21:19.42`	`root`	`I just found out that the problem also occures by starting gnome`
`21:20.01`	`root`	`but it has to do with kdm, maybe i will try gdm for a test`
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`21:21.10`	`oneforall`	`http://apazhe.net/2007/01/31/4731`
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`21:21.31`	`yacoob`	`Greetings.`
`21:21.52`	`yacoob`	`Does kde suite has any indexing software written for it?`
`21:22.01`	`yacoob`	`(think Google desktop or Copernicus search for win32 :)`
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`21:24.34`	`vallor`	`dang -- okay, I got a side panel ready for my app buttons -- but there's no handle with which to get the "add applet/application" menu -- is there a magic f-key combo that will pop up that menu? :)`
`21:24.39`	`vallor`	`yacoob: it's called "beagle"`
`21:24.50`	`yacoob`	`vallor, wasn't that gnome one?`
`21:24.52`	`vallor`	`er, it's not tied to kde though`
`21:25.09`	`vallor`	`I didn't realize it was gnome-specific, oops`
`21:25.36`	`yacoob`	`that's right, I really do not want to have half of a gnome pulled up :)`
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`21:26.51`	`vallor`	`yacoob: there's an applet for kicker that lets you do a quick-start of a file search -- I haven't explored it, but it might help :)`
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`21:35.16`	`vallor`	`I'm looking forward to figuring this out, I'm going to move Mom over to a similar environment (but dang it, right-clicking on the blank panel doesn't do anything, except for a handle on the bottom -- and that only gives me the option of removing it...`
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`21:39.14`	`vallor`	`yaya, I found a bug in the kde panel configurator -- I made a panel that won't move in the panel arranger :\`
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`21:42.12`	`DaSkreech`	`Sweet vallor`
`21:42.48`	`litb`	`ten points for vallor`
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`21:47.37`	`trappist`	`is there a way to add a button to my kicker that works sort of like the k menu, but opens a custom applications menu instead?`
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`21:48.38`	`MinceR`	`Add Application to Panel/Add This Menu`
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`21:49.11`	`trappist`	`so I need to add it to the kmenu first`
`21:49.17`	`trappist`	`that'll work, thanks`
`21:49.40`	`MinceR`	`np`
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`22:12.42`	`sinisterguy`	`are there any textmate like editors for kde?`
`22:14.08`	`yngwin`	`what is textmate like?`
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`22:14.48`	`yngwin`	`or, what features are you looking for, sinisterguy?`
`22:14.53`	`Lanken`	`sinisterguy: do you know about Kate?`
`22:14.59`	`sinisterguy`	`well, what i really want is snippets, but not like kate does them`
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`22:58.19`	`chronos`	`what is deKorator?`
`22:58.48`	`wolsni`	`chronos: it's a kwin theme that is itself themable`
`22:58.56`	`wolsni`	`so that you don't have to be a c++ coder to make kwin themes`
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`23:12.05`	`Steve^`	`How do I print in black and white? (From Kate but I guess KDE generally)`
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`23:12.44`	`pinotree`	`Steve^: in the print dialog, confiure printer`
`23:12.55`	`pinotree`	`then you should find an option there for b&w`
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`23:19.03`	`Steve^`	`I'm surprised there is no black and white hightlighing option`
`23:19.11`	`Steve^`	`so you get the bold but not the colours...`
`23:19.49`	`Steve^`	`and my printer driver might be less than cool..`
`23:19.53`	`Steve^`	`I'll try from window :/`
`23:19.54`	`Steve^`	`s`
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`23:29.31`	`chronos`	`hi, I want to change to desktop 5 with Alt+1 and desktop 1 with Alt+1 ... what is local that I configure it?`
`23:29.53`	`chronos`	`I'm on keyboard shortcuts and don't see confs for especifc desktops`
`23:30.09`	`chronos`	`ops,found`
`23:31.57`	`Tm_T`	`heh, still youtube and many other sites keeps saying my flash is too old when using konqueror`
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`23:40.54`	`chronos`	`hehe`
`23:41.01`	`chronos`	`how I see some doc about dekorator?`
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`23:45.05`	`Shadow_mil`	`when I try to delete a folder though I get: Creating folders is not supported with protocol trash.`
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`23:46.11`	`wolsni`	`chronos: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/deKorator?content=31447`
`23:46.23`	`wolsni`	`chronos: one of the packages for download there is documentation`
`23:46.30`	`chronos`	`ok`
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`23:46.47`	`chronos`	`I'm without title bar in this moment :-\`
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`23:54.30`	`excitatory`	`Perhaps someone could enlighten me. The other day I was poking around the desktop and window behavior settings in order to be able to drag windows horizontally from desktop to desktop. I was successful, however now whenever the mouse moves to the left or right margins of the desktop, it quick switches to the next desktop. In a way, I like this functionality, however it's far too sensitive for my tastes. So my question is what is the`
`23:54.30`	`excitatory`	`exact setting to either turn this off, or make it less sensitive; e.g., cursor must 'press' against one of the side margins for X amount of seconds before switching to the next door desktop..`
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`23:56.29`	`wolsni`	`excitatory: right click on a window's border and choose 'configure window behavior'`
`23:56.36`	`wolsni`	`the settings you want are under 'advanced'`
`23:57.58`	`chronos`	`kbfx is name of kbutton?`
`23:58.15`	`wolsni`	`chronos: kbfx is something separate`
`23:58.24`	`excitatory`	`wolsni: ah yes, thank you.`
`23:58.26`	`chronos`	`what is differ from k-menu?`
`23:58.27`	`wolsni`	`it replaces the kmenu`
`23:58.40`	`wolsni`	`chronos: google for some screenshots`
`23:58.54`	`chronos`	`kbfx .org`
`23:58.56`	`chronos`	`ahn`
`23:59.31`	`chronos`	`wolsni: what you recomend for turn kde more beautiful, but I can't abuse of graphics power`
`23:59.35`	`chronos`	`what is really util?`
`23:59.40`	`chronos`	`I'm a web developper/php`
`23:59.56`	`wolsni`	`chronos: check out kde-look.org and find something you like`

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