| 00:00.00 | chronos | dekorator is good, I can make a theme like as Antaniun for openbox :) |
| 00:00.25 | chronos | I see much themes and wallpapers in kde-look, but not prograns |
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| 00:00.26 | chronos | my karamba monitor I created |
| 00:00.29 | excitatory | chronos: superkaramba |
| 00:00.39 | purplepenguins | if my konq menu disappears how do I get it back? |
| 00:00.41 | chronos | excitatory: I created my simple monitor |
| 00:00.50 | excitatory | chronos: otherwise, if you're able to setup beryl, it can be quite snappy. |
| 00:00.59 | wolsni | purplepenguins: ctrl+M |
| 00:01.06 | purplepenguins | thankie |
| 00:01.30 | chronos | excitatory: hehe, I really have this need, but my machine don't support :) |
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| 00:03.04 | chronos | hum |
| 00:03.07 | chronos | much apps |
| 00:03.15 | chronos | I seeing kde-misc category in gentoo |
| 00:03.32 | helloyo | anything i put in .hidden should be hidden in that folder in konqueror right? |
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| 00:06.13 | wolsni | helloyo: i don't think so |
| 00:07.01 | helloyo | wolsni: i've seen that behaviour in some distros, but it doesn't seem to be the default in debian |
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| 00:27.04 | yacoob | Hi. |
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| 00:27.17 | yacoob | Which process exactly does 'run command' window belong to? KWin? |
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| 00:28.02 | chronos | hey |
| 00:28.44 | pinotree | hoy |
| 00:28.47 | chronos | I can't put a shortcut to Alt+1 moves window to desktop 1 when I with left buttom pressed on window? |
| 00:28.52 | pinotree | yacoob: no, to kdesktop |
| 00:29.09 | yacoob | pinotree, thanks. I found *very* peculiar bug, and I'm going to report it right away :) |
| 00:29.15 | yacoob | (kubuntu specific though) |
| 00:29.16 | pinotree | good |
| 00:29.18 | chronos | kde can't handle mix events, keyboard shortcuts and mouse, etc? |
| 00:29.41 | pinotree | chronos: uhm... |
| 00:30.06 | pinotree | you could try using the input actions (kde control center -> regional & accessibility -> input actions) |
| 00:30.19 | chronos | and kde need more options on window action tab |
| 00:30.20 | pinotree | even if i have no idea if they would do what you want |
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| 00:32.37 | yacoob | heh, pinpointed it down. |
| 00:33.32 | yacoob | ok, perhaps anyone knows - which part of the KDE startup process sets up GTK[2]_RC_FILES environment variable? |
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| 00:35.33 | chronos | yacoob: I don't know but with this variable all gtk apps don't start out of kde |
| 00:36.03 | yacoob | chronos, the thing is, I have it set while I'm logged on the konsole |
| 00:36.12 | yacoob | and it is not set, while I launch gtk app from alt-f2 |
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| 00:37.02 | yacoob | now, this variable shows ~/.kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0, which holds colors definitions written by kde to make gtk2 look like qt |
| 00:37.13 | yacoob | so, firefox launched from konsole - good colors |
| 00:37.31 | yacoob | firefox launched from alt-f2 - bad colors |
| 00:38.10 | yacoob | I've straced both processes, and the difference is plainly visible, the only thing I need to grasp is WHERE this variable is set, and WHY it is not set in the second case |
| 00:38.34 | chronos | yacoob: I think that kde only handle gtk correct with this var |
| 00:38.48 | chronos | he put on .bashrc |
| 00:38.59 | chronos | all my gtk is good |
| 00:38.59 | yacoob | I don't use bash 8) |
| 00:39.16 | chronos | put on respective file |
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| 00:40.39 | atealtha | When I startup akregator, it also starts up text-to-speech when I don't want it to. Nothing is written in the docs about this |
| 00:40.58 | atealtha | is there a way I can disable it? |
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| 00:44.13 | Shadow_mil | when I try to delete a folder though I get: "Creating folders is not supported with protocol trash." |
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| 00:44.59 | Renze | Shadow_mil: I just created a folder and moved it to the trash... worked fine |
| 00:45.50 | Shadow_mil | http://shadowmil.is-a-geek.org/nothere.png |
| 00:46.17 | Renze | Could not connect to host shadowmil.is-a-geek.org. |
| 00:46.19 | johnny69 | link dead |
| 00:46.24 | Shadow_mil | sorry |
| 00:46.26 | Shadow_mil | try now |
| 00:46.30 | Shadow_mil | apache was off |
| 00:47.15 | Renze | my goodness... how do you stand the clutter? |
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| 00:47.29 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 00:47.33 | johnny69 | good looking desktop I thought |
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| 00:47.50 | johnny69 | the protocol folder/trash error is common. You are "deleting" it from the RIGHT pane window, correct? |
| 00:47.54 | Shadow_mil | I press ctrl + alt + left and have a blank desktop |
| 00:48.23 | Shadow_mil | johnny69: well I did from the right, and it didn't so I tried the left |
| 00:48.30 | Shadow_mil | now the left does not work |
| 00:48.34 | johnny69 | strange |
| 00:48.38 | Shadow_mil | though the left side has worked |
| 00:48.57 | johnny69 | odd, the left side doesn't work for me, produces the same error you got. Right side is fine. |
| 00:50.01 | chronos | ahn |
| 00:50.08 | chronos | yacoob: hehe |
| 00:50.25 | chronos | I used gnome before kde, started on kde this last week |
| 00:50.39 | chronos | but I unset GTK2_RC_FILES |
| 00:50.51 | chronos | export GTK2_RC_FILES="$HOME/.gtkrc-2.0:$HOME/.kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0:/etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" |
| 00:50.51 | chronos | unset GTK2_RC_FILES |
| 00:50.57 | chronos | all my GTK on kde working fine |
| 00:51.08 | chronos | and I using gtk_engines_qt |
| 00:52.04 | yacoob | chronos, perhaps the colors just match :) |
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| 00:52.47 | yacoob | chronos, you can try changing the color scheme in kde, which should be written to ~/.kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0, and then see whether gtk2 apps catch on with new colors |
| 00:53.03 | chronos | hum |
| 00:53.09 | chronos | yes |
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| 00:53.38 | yacoob | chronos, in that case, wait a sec, I'll post a detailed description on launchpad :) |
| 00:53.39 | inode33 | The super key no longer brings up the kde menu, is there any way I can see what program is intercepting the keys? |
| 00:53.45 | chronos | but, if I remember ... when I unset this var I user gtk2 theme that I used on gnome |
| 00:53.48 | chronos | yes, is it |
| 00:54.00 | Shadow_mil | Hmmm |
| 00:54.06 | chronos | yacoob: sorry, I'm going out in 3 minutes ... |
| 00:54.17 | yacoob | chronos, no worries, your last line answered my doubts :D |
| 00:54.25 | chronos | :) |
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| 00:54.45 | Shadow_mil | on the right window it deletes fine if I right click and select delete, or if I hit delete.... it won't delete if I drag it to my trash can though :\ |
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| 00:55.20 | chronos | good bye people |
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| 00:56.42 | johnny69 | Shadow_mil: You know what? I like your taskbar so much I think I am going to make mine look like that if I can. |
| 00:57.08 | romeo_ | Hi i am trying to install a cursor theme.. it says i should copy the directory to ~/.icons.. but i dont have a directory like that (i tried typing cd ~/.icons) |
| 00:57.37 | Shadow_mil | took me hours to get my theme to look just right |
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| 00:57.51 | yacoob | allright, for anyone interested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/94615 |
| 00:59.52 | johnny69 | Shadow_mil: The theme itself is too dark, but I like the taskbar you have. |
| 01:00.03 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 01:00.39 | johnny69 | Ok ok, not quite as cluttered as yours...but close: http://home.comcast.net/~69johnny/snap4.png |
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| 01:04.09 | Shadow_mil | johnny69: what desktop applets are those? |
| 01:04.16 | johnny69 | which do you refer to ? |
| 01:04.22 | johnny69 | There are a few there |
| 01:04.22 | Shadow_mil | the ones on the right |
| 01:04.26 | johnny69 | Oh |
| 01:04.29 | johnny69 | Superkaramba |
| 01:04.38 | johnny69 | one is Liquid weather. |
| 01:04.50 | johnny69 | The other is called uhhmmm, "Kstatus" I believe |
| 01:05.09 | Shadow_mil | http://shadowmil.is-a-geek.org/empty.png |
| 01:05.28 | johnny69 | uhhh, what the hell happened to THAT? |
| 01:05.56 | Shadow_mil | to what? |
| 01:06.13 | johnny69 | To the desktop?!?! |
| 01:06.16 | johnny69 | All gone! |
| 01:06.32 | Shadow_mil | look at my desktop switcher |
| 01:06.40 | Shadow_mil | I love desktop switching |
| 01:07.36 | Shadow_mil | I am just on a empty desktop |
| 01:07.43 | johnny69 | hmmm, I use just one. Set kde to only allow one. Turn just about everything off that I possibly can. |
| 01:07.44 | Shadow_mil | all my apps are still open and clutter |
| 01:08.12 | Shadow_mil | johnny69: if I wanted to I could hide my panel to |
| 01:08.39 | johnny69 | You would be amaized at how much faster kde runs when you start killing things off. Kwallet, write, numerous background services. Makes a hell of a difference, etc. |
| 01:09.33 | Shadow_mil | http://shadowmil.is-a-geek.org/reallyempty.png |
| 01:09.47 | johnny69 | khotkeys...the list goes on and on. (not that kde is bad or anything) |
| 01:10.02 | Shadow_mil | johnny69: I have a 2.2GHz processor with 1GB of RAM |
| 01:10.11 | Shadow_mil | I don't worry about KDE slowing me down |
| 01:10.34 | Shadow_mil | if anything is slowing me down, its compiling k3b |
| 01:10.35 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 01:10.37 | johnny69 | I understand, but I can't stand knowing something is running in the background that doesn't have to be. It just haunts me to no ned. |
| 01:10.54 | johnny69 | ned = end |
| 01:10.55 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 01:11.03 | Shadow_mil | I know everything thats running on my box |
| 01:11.18 | johnny69 | You are not running that much more of a machine than I am, you would still be amaized at the difference. |
| 01:12.13 | Shadow_mil | how many processes you have running? |
| 01:12.18 | Shadow_mil | I have 107 |
| 01:12.20 | johnny69 | Right now? |
| 01:12.31 | Shadow_mil | yeah |
| 01:12.35 | johnny69 | Probably not a fair comparison...I have quite a few things running I normally do not. |
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| 01:13.28 | johnny69 | top reports 64 Total, 5 running, 59 sleeping |
| 01:13.53 | Shadow_mil | wow |
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| 01:14.21 | Shadow_mil | well most of my stuff is the 50 instances that apache needs to run |
| 01:14.24 | Shadow_mil | and -emerge-+-sandbox---ebuild.sh---make---make---sh---sh---make---sh---make---sh |
| 01:14.32 | Shadow_mil | emerge is eating a lot |
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| 01:14.52 | johnny69 | That's with Kopete running, Opera browser (which is how I am using irc as well right now) a console, Superkaramba, and knewsticker, and a Konqueror file manager. |
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| 01:15.03 | Shadow_mil | |-apache2---8*[apache2] |
| 01:15.12 | johnny69 | And I'm converting an .avi to a dvd .iso |
| 01:15.23 | qupada | Shadow_mil: it's even more fun if you set FEATURES="parallel-fetch"... you get multiple emerge processes and wget along with whatever is compiling |
| 01:16.09 | johnny69 | One of these days I'm going to invest in a vat full of liquid nitrogen, submerge my entire computer and overclock it to 50 gighz. |
| 01:16.13 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 01:16.21 | johnny69 | Then I won't worry about the number of processes anymore. |
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| 01:16.55 | troy | johnny69: it's not really number of processes that count... after all, most of them are sleeping anyway. :) |
| 01:17.22 | troy | johnny69: it's the number of processes that are trying to use full CPU at any given moment :) |
| 01:17.46 | wolsni | and since most of them wait around on I/O all the time it really doesn't matter :P |
| 01:17.58 | johnny69 | Yeah well, I'm kind of anal about such things. I go in and "renice" certain things as well that I know don't do anything in the background...etc etc. |
| 01:19.05 | johnny69 | Such as Superkaramba eats 0.5% cpu on a 1.8 ghz athlon. So since it just sits there staring at me anyways, I set the nice thingy to -19.... That sort of thing. |
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| 01:22.13 | johnny69 | There aren't too many. |
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| 01:26.28 | Alethes | liquid weather |
| 01:26.28 | Alethes | that's about it :) |
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| 01:27.00 | johnny69 | yep |
| 01:28.34 | Shadow_mil | wow there is a KDE app just for talking to telescopes |
| 01:29.02 | johnny69 | ONe day I'll own my very own 16 inch meade. (and about 18,000$ later) |
| 01:29.10 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 01:29.11 | Renze | ...but there still isn't one that will make pizza :( |
| 01:29.20 | Tm_T | Shadow_mil: check celestia and you find app just for talking to stars itself |
| 01:29.34 | Alethes | Renze: submit a patch for kio |
| 01:29.34 | johnny69 | ?? |
| 01:29.37 | Alethes | kio_pizza |
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| 01:30.00 | Renze | mmmmm... pizza... |
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| 01:30.28 | Jucato | kio-pizza |
| 01:31.18 | Jucato | careful now... you never know, it might be part of a mafia :) |
| 01:31.18 | Alethes | hmm |
| 01:31.32 | Renze | shaddupa you face! |
| 01:31.47 | Jucato | "shaduppa you face-ah!" |
| 01:32.21 | Jucato | will that be for take out? your bill is ... |
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| 01:32.48 | Renze | fie dorrah! |
| 01:33.24 | Jucato | fie dorrah? soo sah! |
| 01:33.32 | Jucato | deh vian! |
| 01:33.53 | Jucato | oovun tu |
| 01:34.24 | johnny69 | amen |
| 01:34.27 | Jucato | I'm not Windows |
| 01:34.28 | Jucato | :P |
| 01:34.40 | Jucato | a simple Ctrl+Alt+Backspace will do |
| 01:35.27 | Shadow_mil | So how long til you think they will have KDE for windows? |
| 01:35.54 | Renze | there won't be KDE for windows... there will likely be some kde apps for windows, using ported kdelibs |
| 01:36.19 | Alethes | why couldn't there be a kde for windows? |
| 01:36.25 | Alethes | I mean port the whole thing? |
| 01:36.27 | Renze | (which I object to, by the way, but my vote carries no weight) |
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| 01:36.33 | Shadow_mil | there totally needs to be KDE for windows... that would put Microsoft down for good. |
| 01:36.54 | Renze | no it wouldn't... the underlying OS would still be needed |
| 01:36.55 | wolsni | what would you take to windows apart from individual apps? |
| 01:37.21 | wolsni | kwin and such are kind of dependent on X11 |
| 01:37.29 | StarScream | Shadow_mil: what would that do ? |
| 01:37.34 | Shadow_mil | Renze: no... but the # reason I get why people won't *try* Linux is because "I don't think I can use it" |
| 01:37.55 | Shadow_mil | but yet they will use firefox, GIMP, GAIM, etc |
| 01:38.00 | Renze | Shadow_mil: actually, the #1 reason why people won't use Linux is "what's Linux?" |
| 01:38.01 | StarScream | Shadow_mil: installing cygwin and kde isn't going to help that |
| 01:38.04 | Jucato | that's what Live CD's are for |
| 01:38.18 | Jucato | StarScream: he meant native ports to Windows |
| 01:38.21 | Jucato | (KDE 4 stuff) |
| 01:38.26 | StarScream | bah |
| 01:38.30 | Shadow_mil | StarScream: I am not talking about installing KDE in cygwin |
| 01:38.54 | Shadow_mil | Well... is there KDE for Mac maybe? |
| 01:39.00 | StarScream | Shadow_mil: you can polish a turd but at the end of the day it's still a turd |
| 01:39.07 | StarScream | Shadow_mil: yes |
| 01:39.15 | excitatory | where is the proper channel to ask a kaudiocreator question? |
| 01:39.15 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 01:39.20 | Jucato | as long as they don't make "creating Windows/OS X ports" an official goal, then I don't care if someone does it |
| 01:39.22 | Renze | excitatory: here |
| 01:39.33 | StarScream | Shadow_mil: darwin is still UNIX like and it makes sense to support that |
| 01:39.40 | excitatory | Renze: er, rather a feature request |
| 01:39.57 | Renze | excitatory: feature requests get filed as wishes on bugs.kde.org |
| 01:39.57 | Jucato | excitatory: then a wishlist report on http://bugs.kde.org |
| 01:39.57 | Shadow_mil | StarScream: yeah, and since Mac OS X has stolen X11 |
| 01:39.59 | Renze | snap! |
| 01:40.01 | Jucato | :P |
| 01:40.14 | StarScream | Shadow_mil: hasn't stolen anything |
| 01:40.14 | StarScream | Shadow_mil: they comply with the license |
| 01:40.52 | Shadow_mil | StarScream: Yeah, but they did not distribute it as GPL |
| 01:41.01 | StarScream | OSX maybe annoying but if you get rid of the aqua crap it's still a decent system |
| 01:41.08 | StarScream | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.15 | Renze | Shadow_mil: OSX is based on a BSD core... which is BSD license, not GPL |
| 01:41.16 | Shadow_mil | :\ |
| 01:41.21 | Jucato | OS X's kernel is BSD License |
| 01:41.28 | Renze | snap! |
| 01:41.43 | Shadow_mil | well xorg is GPL right? |
| 01:41.44 | Jucato | wolsni: yes you can. let it evaporate :D |
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| 01:42.00 | wolsni | Shadow_mil: xorg is not the only implementation of X11 |
| 01:42.04 | StarScream | Shadow_mil: they didn't use Xorg |
| 01:42.04 | StarScream | they used Xfree |
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| 01:42.11 | sortadi | hey there |
| 01:42.12 | Renze | Shadow_mil: nope, xorg is "as-is" license |
| 01:42.54 | StarScream | wolsni: you can but then your running bsd with an odd kernel and no package manager....not sure what advantage you get..but hey :) |
| 01:43.02 | sortadi | I had been experiencing problems compressing with Ark. It just went on and on infinitely. So, I decided to purge the package and reinstall it |
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| 01:43.34 | sortadi | now I have lost the right-click option that I used to have prior to the purge-ing |
| 01:43.46 | sortadi | how could I reactivate that? |
| 01:44.05 | StarScream | what the hell is ark ? |
| 01:44.16 | wolsni | StarScream: archive tool from kdeutils |
| 01:44.18 | sortadi | a compressing utility for KDE |
| 01:44.19 | johnny69 | Big boat with a lot of animals waiting inside. |
| 01:44.26 | Renze | sortadi: ark -> settings -> configure ark, tick enable konqueror integration |
| 01:45.05 | sortadi | Renze, it is checked |
| 01:45.18 | Renze | sortadi: then it should be working... maybe konq needs to be restarted? |
| 01:45.25 | sortadi | ok |
| 01:45.46 | Renze | as in completely restarted, all preloaded instances killed |
| 01:46.22 | sortadi | yeah |
| 01:46.29 | sortadi | let me kill all of them |
| 01:47.37 | Jucato | konqi-cide |
| 01:48.35 | sortadi | Renze, done, thanks |
| 01:48.46 | Renze | no problem |
| 01:48.47 | sortadi | the purge-ing of the package worked |
| 01:49.00 | sortadi | probabbly corrupted config files |
| 01:50.27 | sortadi | well I had done a lot of tweaking into kde lately |
| 01:50.44 | sortadi | maybe I misplaced or broke something while in the process |
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| 02:01.50 | mardi_soir | hello i d like to know how to open a link in a split window in konqueror instead of new window or tab ... |
| 02:02.27 | mardi_soir | i d like to have another choice in the contextual menu when a right clic on a link |
| 02:02.52 | sortadi | a link in a slipt window? |
| 02:03.55 | wolsni | mardi_soir: i think the closest you can do right now is to split the view and then click on the link after |
| 02:04.32 | Shadow_mil | SuperKaramba keeps loosing my widgets... |
| 02:05.22 | wolsni | Shadow_mil: stop closing it |
| 02:05.32 | Shadow_mil | it keeps crashing |
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| 02:08.10 | Jucato | mardi_soir: there's a way, but it has to be manually. split the view. then check the boxes at the bottom to "link" the two views. then lock the view on one of them (the view/panel you don't want to change) then click on links. the links will open in the unlocked view/panel |
| 02:09.28 | Shadow_mil | I just wish more of these system monitors would understand that free memory includes what is being used as cache |
| 02:10.25 | troy | Shadow_mil: you should bug JohnFlux about that actually :) |
| 02:10.36 | troy | JohnFlux_: ^^ |
| 02:10.46 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 02:10.50 | wolsni | Shadow_mil: it shouldn't be too tough to tweak a theme to reflect that, i'd imagine |
| 02:10.52 | mardi_soir | Jucato: how to lock the view i don t want to change ? |
| 02:11.04 | smileaf | hi troy, Jucato |
| 02:11.04 | Jucato | mardi_soir: right-click on the status bar of that view |
| 02:11.13 | mardi_soir | sortadi: like this http://www.hiboox.com/image.php?img=40f1148f.png |
| 02:11.20 | Jucato | moin smileaf, troy! |
| 02:11.36 | troy | smileaf: I see lots of commits with your name attached to it (when reading the digest) - how's work going? |
| 02:11.40 | Shadow_mil | troy: who is JohnFlux_? |
| 02:11.56 | Jucato | iceballs melt instantly |
| 02:12.02 | Jucato | Shadow_mil: the maintainer of KSysGuard |
| 02:12.16 | Jucato | ew... |
| 02:12.22 | Renze | poot |
| 02:12.30 | Jucato | troy: rather, the iceball hits smileaf first :) |
| 02:12.38 | Shadow_mil | troy: I am taking this is some type of inside joke |
| 02:12.38 | smileaf | troy: decent I guess, finally got the gui back in a working order. |
| 02:12.39 | troy | Shadow_mil: the current maintainer of ksysguard |
| 02:12.39 | Shadow_mil | ah ok ;) |
| 02:12.40 | mardi_soir | Jucato: oh i see .. ... but maybe with a dcop command and a action.desktop .. file is it possible ... (and more easy to use ) (right clic .. open with ... action.deskop ? |
| 02:12.45 | Shadow_mil | troy: do you maintain anything? |
| 02:12.46 | troy | Shadow_mil: he's really receptive to feedback too, if it's well thought out :) |
| 02:13.09 | Jucato | Shadow_mil: you don't recognize his name?! :O |
| 02:13.29 | troy | Shadow_mil: no, but I have dropped a few lines of code in various parts of KDE - plus I write random articles :) |
| 02:14.16 | Jucato | mardi_soir: don't know. but anything involving konquer and dcop is kinda tricky to do. but that screenshot you showed is what I was telling you about |
| 02:14.37 | mardi_soir | Jucato: yes but not easy to use .. |
| 02:14.58 | Jucato | (and very few people probably use it nowadays...) |
| 02:15.01 | mardi_soir | i juste want to right clic and open in a split .. not make some action .. |
| 02:15.23 | mardi_soir | :) maybe but i m famous |
| 02:15.23 | Jucato | mardi_soir: I'm sure it can be done... but involving code for sure |
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| 02:15.57 | mardi_soir | Jucato: so i have to thanks you for your information ! |
| 02:15.57 | smileaf | troy: "Addenda" <-- ? |
| 02:15.58 | Jucato | plural of Addendum |
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| 02:16.04 | troy | smileaf: plural of addendum :) |
| 02:16.05 | Jucato | :P |
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| 02:16.08 | smileaf | Oh.. |
| 02:16.17 | Jucato | erratum -> errata |
| 02:16.24 | smileaf | thanks Renze |
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| 02:17.28 | troy | Jucato: speaking of which, in three months when I write another updates article, I should call that one "Updates and Errata" :P |
| 02:18.13 | Jucato | haha :) |
| 02:18.25 | mardi_soir | Jucato: what you told to me will be usefull ! so thanks |
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| 02:19.02 | Jucato | np |
| 02:19.47 | Renze | e pluribus unum |
| 02:20.17 | Renze | every American should know that one ;) |
| 02:20.50 | smileaf | Renze: yep! but not what it means =p |
| 02:21.00 | Renze | "one from many" |
| 02:21.16 | Renze | or "out of many, one" |
| 02:21.50 | mardi_soir | another question ... i notice in ubuntu (or kubuntu ) konqueror have a icon for rss feed in the status bar ... i m not under ubuntu or kubuntu but i d like the same thing does some one know how to get this feature > (can see it on this shot http://download.winboard.org/uploads/Image/kubuntu.JPG ) |
| 02:22.17 | Renze | mardi_soir: install akregator |
| 02:22.18 | mardi_soir | the orange icon notice about rss feeds |
| 02:22.31 | mardi_soir | i have akregator |
| 02:22.31 | mardi_soir | ! |
| 02:22.48 | Jucato | that icon will show on websites that have feeds available |
| 02:22.59 | wolsni | mardi_soir: you need to enable the plugin too |
| 02:23.38 | wolsni | mardi_soir: in konqueror, settings->configure extensions->statusbar->konq feed icon |
| 02:23.44 | Jucato | oh yeah forgot that one :) |
| 02:24.31 | mardi_soir | hum i see no akregator plugin .. |
| 02:24.33 | mardi_soir | strange |
| 02:25.20 | Shadow_mil | who maintains khexedit? I have about 10 ideas for that application... |
| 02:25.55 | Jucato | mardi_soir: no it whould be in the location wolsni pointed out |
| 02:25.57 | Renze | Shadow_mil: go to Help -> About KHexEdit, Author tab |
| 02:26.23 | Jucato | mardi_soir: or install konq-plugins |
| 02:26.27 | Renze | Shadow_mil: please note it hasn't been maintained since 2000 |
| 02:27.15 | Shadow_mil | ah... well I if there was a few things add to it, it would save me about tons of time of editing |
| 02:27.38 | Renze | Shadow_mil: submit patches ;) |
| 02:27.47 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 02:28.01 | Renze | Shadow_mil: or should I say "learn C++" first? ;) |
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| 02:28.12 | Shadow_mil | Well I know some C++ |
| 02:28.27 | Shadow_mil | I am in Intro to C++ in college right now |
| 02:28.43 | Jucato | C++ or some KDE-compatible language would do |
| 02:28.57 | Renze | Jucato: for patching khexedit, it needs to be C++ |
| 02:29.12 | Jucato | prolly :) |
| 02:29.27 | Renze | you can't patch C++ with Python... what a mess that would make :D |
| 02:29.43 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 02:30.44 | smileaf | hmm.. actually I guess it was a Qt program. first program I did by myself tho was a kcontrol module. =) |
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| 02:31.11 | purplepenguins | You can program in Python though, with Qt |
| 02:31.24 | Jucato | or ruby... |
| 02:31.31 | smileaf | or perl |
| 02:31.35 | purplepenguins | heh |
| 02:31.36 | Renze | but C++ scores more geek points |
| 02:31.37 | purplepenguins | or C |
| 02:31.45 | purplepenguins | Scheme + QT! |
| 02:31.54 | Renze | Haskell +Qt |
| 02:32.02 | purplepenguins | Cobol + Qt |
| 02:32.09 | Renze | ew, that's just nasty |
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| 02:32.11 | smileaf | please god no... |
| 02:32.23 | Shadow_mil | ASM + QT |
| 02:32.25 | purplepenguins | THIS IS A METHOD |
| 02:32.29 | smileaf | purplepenguins: you sir have lost any geek points you once had. |
| 02:32.32 | Jucato | QtBasic!!!!! |
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| 02:32.43 | purplepenguins | heh |
| 02:33.23 | Shadow_mil | PHP + QT! |
| 02:33.27 | johnny69 | Actually, I was thinking of the interpreted BASIC built into my old Ti-99 4/a I had 20 years ago....but hey, whatever. |
| 02:33.57 | purplepenguins | I like Python though |
| 02:33.57 | Shadow_mil | wait... even better... Java + QT |
| 02:34.01 | Jucato | no! QtBasic is the clear winner :) |
| 02:34.12 | Shadow_mil | Jucato: lol |
| 02:34.13 | smileaf | yay java =p |
| 02:35.07 | Renze | bleh is the only word that pops into my head at the mention of java |
| 02:35.18 | smileaf | hehe |
| 02:35.36 | Jucato | Renze: not "puke"? |
| 02:35.37 | purplepenguins | I kinda like Java |
| 02:35.46 | purplepenguins | but I'm not crazy about it |
| 02:35.50 | Renze | Jucato: no, needs to be "Cobol" to cause that |
| 02:36.34 | purplepenguins | I know BASIC slightly |
| 02:36.37 | Tm_T | I speak fluent finnish I hope |
| 02:36.38 | Renze | Jucato: http://www.csis.ul.ie/COBOL/examples/default.htm |
| 02:36.38 | purplepenguins | mostly forgotten |
| 02:36.46 | Jucato | hi Tm_T! |
| 02:37.02 | purplepenguins | and a little C, VB, C++ |
| 02:37.03 | Tm_T | you can't see me! |
| 02:37.05 | smileaf | I don't know Cobol, but I did have to type in a 5 page cobol program into a mainframe once for class.. I couldn't figure out what it was doing even after I ran it and got the correct results... |
| 02:37.08 | purplepenguins | and Python and C# |
| 02:37.13 | Shadow_mil | I really should learn the QT lib |
| 02:37.43 | Shadow_mil | it would not be harder then window's API |
| 02:37.47 | Renze | omg, I'd forgotten how awful Cobol was... |
| 02:38.08 | Renze | Shadow_mil: it's Qt... QT is QuickTime :D |
| 02:38.27 | purplepenguins | quicktime...ugh |
| 02:38.27 | Shadow_mil | windows API is inhuman |
| 02:38.28 | Renze | mfc is eeevil |
| 02:38.31 | smileaf | Shadow_mil: duh? |
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| 02:38.55 | purplepenguins | MCRSFT is the name of the devil |
| 02:39.08 | Shadow_mil | you have to populate some class with 500 constructor arguments |
| 02:39.56 | Shadow_mil | most of which are pointers to other classes you need |
| 02:40.27 | Shadow_mil | after reading the help over and over for a few hours, I gave up |
| 02:40.29 | mardi_soir | thanks all |
| 02:40.30 | mardi_soir | bye ! |
| 02:41.18 | Shadow_mil | well k3b is still compiling :\ |
| 02:41.30 | purplepenguins | K3b is awesome |
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| 02:41.45 | Shadow_mil | yeah |
| 02:42.34 | carutsu | scuse me how do i installs .debs? |
| 02:42.49 | purplepenguins | are you on a debian system? |
| 02:42.49 | Shadow_mil | carutsu: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 02:42.58 | carutsu | thank you |
| 02:43.03 | purplepenguins | that works |
| 02:43.03 | Shadow_mil | np |
| 02:43.05 | carutsu | no, im in kubuntu |
| 02:43.11 | Renze | carutsu: in future, ask in your distro channel |
| 02:43.15 | purplepenguins | I meant, a debian-derived system... |
| 02:43.20 | purplepenguins | check #ubuntu |
| 02:43.26 | carutsu | sorry, sorry, i though i was on kubuntu channel |
| 02:43.27 | Jucato | #kubuntu actually |
| 02:43.30 | carutsu | i have booth opened |
| 02:43.31 | Shadow_mil | carutsu: kubuntu is debian... basically |
| 02:43.41 | purplepenguins | I didn't think they had both |
| 02:43.47 | carutsu | Shadow_mil, i know is derived |
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| 02:43.54 | purplepenguins | there's more people in #ubuntu though |
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| 02:44.08 | Shadow_mil | #ubuntu supports kubuntu for the most part |
| 02:44.16 | Jucato | purplepenguins: more traffic, stricter rules, and no KDED |
| 02:44.18 | Jucato | KDE* |
| 02:44.24 | P-Luc_Auclair | hey, when you exclude applications from starting, should you use a semicolon or a comma? |
| 02:44.31 | Jucato | Shadow_mil: we have a dedicated #kubuntu channel. |
| 02:44.45 | Renze | P-Luc_Auclair: press shift-f1 then click on the text entry box |
| 02:45.10 | P-Luc_Auclair | Renze, why didn't I think of that before :P |
| 02:45.17 | Shadow_mil | Jucato: when it comes down to most questions, ubuntu or kubuntu does not matter |
| 02:45.24 | Shadow_mil | Jucato: like his |
| 02:45.36 | Jucato | Shadow_mil: in some cases yes. in most cases no |
| 02:45.47 | Shadow_mil | -_- |
| 02:45.53 | Shadow_mil | ok fine... |
| 02:45.58 | Shadow_mil | your right |
| 02:46.04 | Jucato | in this case, yes it doesn't matter if he asked in #ubuntu or #kubuntu. |
| 02:46.16 | Jucato | what matters was that he won't ask in #kde :D |
| 02:46.21 | Shadow_mil | Jucato: most people in #ubuntu have kubuntu |
| 02:46.25 | Jucato | er.. pardon the grammar |
| 02:46.41 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 02:46.56 | purplepenguins | well I guess that is why #kubuntu exists |
| 02:47.08 | Jucato | Shadow_mil: and you know this for a fact? based on experience? |
| 02:47.19 | Shadow_mil | Jucato: experience |
| 02:47.29 | purplepenguins | HOW DO I INSTALLED KDE |
| 02:47.29 | johnny69 | They really could have picked a better name. |
| 02:47.35 | Jucato | ah ok... I won't argue with your experience then |
| 02:47.48 | Jucato | johnny69: you could have picked a better nick too :) |
| 02:47.48 | Shadow_mil | Jucato: I offered support in #ubuntu for like 6 months |
| 02:47.53 | Renze | johnny69: whatever name they would have chosen, I'd be sick of it :D |
| 02:48.02 | purplepenguins | why did you quit? |
| 02:48.04 | johnny69 | Jucato: No I couldn't! Mine is absolutely PERFECT. |
| 02:48.13 | Jucato | Shadow_mil: you're right... I offered support in #kubuntu for only 1 year... my bad. sorry |
| 02:48.28 | purplepenguins | I offer support in #gentoo |
| 02:48.30 | purplepenguins | I win |
| 02:48.33 | johnny69 | heh |
| 02:48.37 | Shadow_mil | I use gentoo now |
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| 02:48.57 | purplepenguins | I've seen you there |
| 02:49.01 | purplepenguins | I think |
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| 02:49.23 | mardi_soir | lo again |
| 02:49.31 | mardi_soir | it does not work .. http://www.hiboox.com/image.php?img=8bde254.png#gd |
| 02:49.34 | purplepenguins | doesn't sabayon use Gnome by default |
| 02:49.45 | mardi_soir | i restarted kde ... :/ |
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| 02:50.49 | purplepenguins | what is the problem? |
| 02:51.47 | mardi_soir | no akgrgator icon notification in konqueror |
| 02:52.00 | mardi_soir | on a page where are rss feeds |
| 02:52.27 | mardi_soir | purplepenguins: sabayon use kde or and fluxbox |
| 02:52.57 | purplepenguins | okay |
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| 02:53.04 | purplepenguins | I thought I saw a screenshot with Gnome though |
| 02:53.31 | mardi_soir | purplepenguins: you can install gnome after .. |
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| 02:54.59 | Jucato | mardi_soir: the icon will be at the bottom (status bar) in KOnqueror |
| 02:56.22 | mardi_soir | Jucato: i see nothing |
| 02:56.30 | mardi_soir | i restarted kde .. |
| 02:57.01 | Jucato | yeah saw the screenshot |
| 02:57.08 | Jucato | did you install konq-plugins? |
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| 02:57.12 | mardi_soir | yes |
| 02:57.21 | Jucato | hhm.... |
| 02:57.42 | mardi_soir | maybe to install again akregator |
| 02:58.01 | Jucato | on my system, I have 2 entries for RSS in the plugins configuration |
| 02:58.09 | Jucato | a "Konq Feed Icon plugin" |
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| 02:58.36 | mardi_soir | i run gentoo maybe to install again akgregtor will solve |
| 02:58.51 | Jucato | must be a split ebuild thing again... |
| 02:59.00 | mardi_soir | because of a configure dependancies .. i don't know .. |
| 02:59.14 | Renze | or a USE flag thing |
| 02:59.22 | Renze | it has always just worked for me |
| 03:00.08 | mardi_soir | [ebuild R ] kde-base/akregator-3.5.5 USE="kdeenablefinal xinerama -arts -debug" 0 kB |
| 03:00.08 | mardi_soir | [ebuild R ] kde-base/konq-plugins-3.5.5 USE="kdeenablefinal xinerama -arts -debug" 0 kB |
| 03:01.02 | mardi_soir | Jucato: i have a adblock filter in konqueror |
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| 03:02.45 | Jucato | no, I'm talking about the extension that shows an adblock icon in the status bar |
| 03:04.00 | mardi_soir | Jucato: you 're right .... i have to right click on a frame to use it .. no icon appears |
| 03:04.45 | mardi_soir | ouch |
| 03:04.48 | Renze | mardi_soir: emerge konqueror-akregator |
| 03:04.52 | mardi_soir | i just seen kde-base/konqueror-akregator |
| 03:04.57 | mardi_soir | ... sorry .. |
| 03:05.36 | mardi_soir | i feel quite stupid .. :/ |
| 03:05.43 | Jucato | :) |
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| 03:08.37 | mardi_soir | ahahahahahah it works ! |
| 03:08.48 | Jucato | :P |
| 03:11.23 | intrade | hi renze lol |
| 03:11.38 | intrade | do we got infobash for gentoo? |
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| 03:11.43 | Renze | 'lo intrade |
| 03:11.49 | Renze | wtf is infobash? |
| 03:11.57 | intrade | system info tool |
| 03:12.04 | intrade | shows all hardware |
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| 03:12.11 | Renze | cubezzz: twinkies will outlast cockroaches when the bombs drop |
| 03:12.26 | cubezzz | ah, good |
| 03:12.26 | Renze | intrade: kinda like kinfocenter? |
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| 03:12.45 | intrade | "infobash" is where http://rebelhomicide.demon.nl/projects.cgi#infobash |
| 03:12.51 | intrade | that |
| 03:13.28 | intrade | its cool when somone wants to know what hardware is on quickly |
| 03:13.31 | Renze | seems pointless |
| 03:13.43 | intrade | shows xorg version also |
| 03:13.44 | Renze | try /sysinfo |
| 03:13.55 | intrade | ok |
| 03:13.56 | Renze | if you're using konversation |
| 03:14.08 | intrade | Sysinfo for 'sabayonx86-64': Linux 2.6.20-sabayon-r3 running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz at 1866 MHz (3733 bogomips), HD: 0/146GB, RAM: 949/997MB, 191 proc's, 7.12h up |
| 03:14.14 | intrade | ah yup |
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| 03:14.22 | intrade | cool |
| 03:14.35 | intrade | i write it down |
| 03:14.47 | StarScream | is there a way to programmatically add widgets in kommander ? |
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| 03:15.29 | johnny69 | I'd run that, but I would be ashamed and humiliated by the specs it threw out to the channel :) |
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| 03:20.36 | intrade | tasty food stuff you mean some icecream Renze :P |
| 03:23.38 | qupada | and what's more, 191 processes? what the hell are you doing with it? i thought my system was bad and it only has 142 |
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| 03:24.46 | hydrogen | Sysinfo for 'perdition': Linux 2.6.20-ck1-20061020 running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2500+ at 1830 MHz (3661 bogomips), HD: 53/90GB, RAM: 787/1010MB, 146 proc's, 14.3h up |
| 03:24.55 | purplepenguins | I should have that command |
| 03:25.01 | purplepenguins | what's the xchat equivalent... |
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| 03:25.20 | intrade | purplepenguins: what os? |
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| 03:25.31 | intrade | debian use infobash |
| 03:25.45 | purplepenguins | I use gentoo |
| 03:25.55 | intrade | dunno try that then |
| 03:25.56 | purplepenguins | why should it matter though... |
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| 03:26.01 | Shadow_mil | is there a system information plugin for konversation? |
| 03:26.07 | intrade | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.20 | intrade | Shadow_mil: above |
| 03:26.23 | intrade | for gentoo |
| 03:26.29 | hydrogen_ | Sysinfo for 'ignorance': Linux 2.6.20-viper4-20070226 running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 CPU T7200 @ 2.00GHz at 1000 MHz (3994 bogomips), HD: 21/65GB, RAM: 777/1001MB, 126 proc's, 5.21h up |
| 03:26.36 | purplepenguins | that gives me 404 |
| 03:26.38 | intrade | Sysinfo for 'sabayonx86-64': Linux 2.6.20-sabayon-r3 running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz at 1866 MHz (3733 bogomips), HD: 0/146GB, RAM: 965/997MB, 189 proc's, 7.24h up |
| 03:26.38 | Jucato | it's standard on konvi on all distros |
| 03:26.40 | purplepenguins | that link to infobash |
| 03:26.55 | purplepenguins | I don't use Konversation... |
| 03:27.12 | intrade | you ztried it on xchat? |
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| 03:27.29 | intrade | its me new machine Renze |
| 03:27.39 | intrade | other runs kanotix etch |
| 03:27.39 | purplepenguins | I looked for infobash on that website and it gave me 404 when I looked for the source |
| 03:28.28 | intrade | what chat client purplepenguins? |
| 03:28.32 | purplepenguins | xchat |
| 03:28.45 | intrade | why dont u use konversation its superior |
| 03:28.50 | purplepenguins | I'm going to try konversation |
| 03:28.52 | purplepenguins | I like Xchat |
| 03:29.00 | purplepenguins | it has a transparent chat window |
| 03:29.03 | intrade | i dumped xchat i used it for 4 years |
| 03:29.27 | intrade | did you type the comand in the chat windo? |
| 03:29.33 | intrade | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.41 | intrade | or try |
| 03:30.03 | intrade | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.05 | purplepenguins | konversation is compiling |
| 03:30.09 | purplepenguins | sh: sysinfo: command not found |
| 03:30.16 | purplepenguins | I get a sh error |
| 03:30.26 | purplepenguins | sh: uname -a: command not found |
| 03:30.30 | purplepenguins | Linux |
| 03:30.31 | intrade | on debian with infobash it was |
| 03:30.32 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 03:30.38 | intrade | this for xchat |
| 03:30.38 | purplepenguins | uname doesn't give much info |
| 03:30.49 | intrade | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.51 | purplepenguins | sysinfo only works on debian systems |
| 03:31.06 | intrade | na sysinfo works on gentoo |
| 03:31.11 | cubezzz | sh: line 1: infobash: command not found |
| 03:31.12 | intrade | renze told me |
| 03:31.19 | cubezzz | oops :) |
| 03:31.24 | purplepenguins | no, I mean /exec -o sysinfo |
| 03:31.27 | purplepenguins | doesn't work |
| 03:31.29 | Renze | intrade: um, /sysinfo is a konversation script, not a shell command |
| 03:31.32 | intrade | infobash is for debian installed with apt-get |
| 03:31.34 | purplepenguins | because it looks for the command sysinfo on bash |
| 03:31.41 | intrade | ok Renze |
| 03:31.45 | cubezzz | sh: line 1: sysinfo: command not found |
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| 03:31.54 | intrade | explains why it dont wok in a shell |
| 03:31.54 | purplepenguins | and sysinfo isn't installed on gentoo |
| 03:32.08 | intrade | its from konversation read up |
| 03:32.33 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 03:32.37 | intrade | infobash has had more stuff eweb flooding lol |
| 03:32.37 | cubezzz | Linux maxhost.org 2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp #1 SMP Wed Aug 4 11:48:29 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 03:32.45 | purplepenguins | sh: Linux: command not found |
| 03:32.46 | cubezzz | ok, I'm ancient :) |
| 03:33.04 | purplepenguins | sh: uname -a: command not found |
| 03:33.21 | purplepenguins | 2.4? |
| 03:33.23 | purplepenguins | that is old |
| 03:33.28 | intrade | i am new to gentoo i run live dvd here |
| 03:33.44 | intrade | 2.4.19 was my first i think |
| 03:33.57 | Renze | 2.0.36 was my first, I think |
| 03:33.57 | intrade | on core 1 fedora |
| 03:34.11 | intrade | december 2003 |
| 03:34.17 | cubezzz | Darkstar 0.93 was my first :) |
| 03:34.21 | Renze | January 1999 |
| 03:34.24 | intrade | i had my first install |
| 03:34.50 | qupada | did fc1 really use kernel 2.4? |
| 03:34.53 | cubezzz | before Darkstar I used AmigaDos 1.3 :) |
| 03:34.54 | intrade | i owned redhat 6 befor with dummies book |
| 03:35.22 | intrade | yea could be upgrade i think it had 2.4 befor it went to core2 |
| 03:35.34 | intrade | i could put hdd in and boot it lol |
| 03:35.52 | intrade | i still have core1 on a hdd i just removed it as it made noises |
| 03:37.09 | cubezzz | bad, fc1 is noveau |
| 03:37.15 | cubezzz | you want old?? |
| 03:37.21 | cubezzz | I'll show you old :) |
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| 03:38.37 | cubezzz | mince... that is OLD |
| 03:39.08 | intrade | what was your first computer? |
| 03:39.27 | Renze | Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K |
| 03:39.28 | cubezzz | first computer I owned was Commodore Kim-1 |
| 03:39.29 | intrade | my one was texas instrument ti 9974A |
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| 03:39.42 | intrade | 99/4A |
| 03:39.54 | cubezzz | 1k RAM :) |
| 03:40.11 | intrade | 16 bit ahead of all others it was |
| 03:40.25 | intrade | with quax cable to tv lol |
| 03:40.35 | purplepenguins | dammit |
| 03:40.42 | purplepenguins | I'm trying to use konversation |
| 03:40.48 | purplepenguins | and I entered info correctly |
| 03:40.54 | purplepenguins | now I'm banned on EFnet |
| 03:40.59 | Renze | ha! |
| 03:41.06 | Shadow_mil | yeah k3b is compiled! |
| 03:41.13 | intrade | efnet? |
| 03:41.15 | purplepenguins | and ident isn't working |
| 03:41.23 | intrade | join freenode |
| 03:41.24 | purplepenguins | so i can't connect to #gentoo |
| 03:41.27 | cubezzz | EFnet isn't even worth bothering with |
| 03:41.28 | purplepenguins | I'm on both |
| 03:41.33 | purplepenguins | I have friends on efnet |
| 03:41.51 | intrade | well you cant use 2 nicks of the same on a server |
| 03:41.52 | purplepenguins | and there are lots of channels that freenode doesn't have |
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| 03:42.00 | intrade | just use xchat for now for efnet |
| 03:42.07 | intrade | keep both |
| 03:42.09 | purplepenguins | no, they banned my ip |
| 03:42.19 | purplepenguins | i think |
| 03:42.21 | intrade | it wont be permanent |
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| 03:42.29 | intrade | 2h max |
| 03:42.35 | purplepenguins | anyway I need to get ident working here |
| 03:42.42 | Renze | people still use efnet? |
| 03:42.47 | intrade | i am not idd |
| 03:43.07 | cubezzz | I can't use ident unless I lose my router |
| 03:43.15 | cubezzz | or buy another router I guess |
| 03:43.56 | intrade | well on freenode its no problem |
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| 03:44.19 | intrade | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.19 | purplepenguins | how do I have ident work on konversation? |
| 03:44.32 | purplepenguins | I put in my profile my password |
| 03:44.37 | intrade | not sure i id manualy lol |
| 03:44.52 | Renze | purplepenguins: put "nickserv" in as the service |
| 03:44.54 | intrade | with 7msg nickserv id password |
| 03:45.04 | cubezzz | I don't really understand the purpose of using ident but it won't work with my dlink... |
| 03:45.15 | intrade | dlink is crap |
| 03:45.27 | cubezzz | intrade, you are not wrong :) |
| 03:45.53 | intrade | best are usrobotic 3 com and linksys with some crap models from linksys also |
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| 03:46.11 | intrade | i run a usr sure conect |
| 03:46.36 | purplepenguins | it keeps saying I'm not who I say I am |
| 03:46.38 | purplepenguins | and then telling me I have to IDENTIFY |
| 03:46.40 | purplepenguins | but it doesn't work |
| 03:46.43 | cubezzz | I just want a good wired router |
| 03:47.04 | intrade | purplepenguins: this name is taken as you are here with it |
| 03:47.05 | pptux | hi |
| 03:47.15 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 03:47.17 | intrade | so change to purplepenguins1 on here |
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| 03:47.40 | intrade | hi pptux |
| 03:48.02 | pptux | why i keep receiving messages from kde-devel-bounces@kde.org when i send messages in mailing list? |
| 03:48.05 | purplepenguins | okay, working now |
| 03:48.17 | intrade | Notice] -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized |
| 03:48.28 | intrade | i just did id for my nick manual |
| 03:48.37 | pptux | intrade: it says "Your message to kde-devel awaits moderator approval" |
| 03:48.48 | intrade | you have to be on your correct nick to id of corse |
| 03:49.03 | purplepenguins | oh goodie, efnet works too |
| 03:49.07 | intrade | where does it say that |
| 03:49.13 | intrade | pptux: |
| 03:49.19 | purplepenguins | now I just have to get konversation working the way I like |
| 03:49.23 | purplepenguins | Sysinfo for 'penguins': Linux 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz at 3000 MHz (5971 bogomips), HD: 227/287GB, RAM: 897/1009MB, 96 proc's, 6.8d up |
| 03:49.32 | pptux | intrade: http://rafb.net/p/iEPKN437.html |
| 03:50.03 | intrade | i go look$ |
| 03:50.32 | pptux | wait4you;-) |
| 03:50.33 | Shadow_mil | whats a good desktop widget for monitoring system? |
| 03:51.06 | cubezzz | dare I mention gkrellm? :) |
| 03:51.33 | Shadow_mil | I don't like gkrellm |
| 03:51.35 | intrade | and where do you get this message pptux? |
| 03:51.51 | intrade | use htop then |
| 03:52.08 | purplepenguins | conky! |
| 03:52.15 | pptux | intrade: in my gmail box |
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| 03:52.21 | purplepenguins | it's not a widget but it's the best monitoring system ever |
| 03:52.37 | intrade | dont know pptux i dont got gmail maybe its just spam.. |
| 03:52.55 | intrade | dont give out passwords thats 4 sure |
| 03:53.18 | Ardonik | Shadow_mil: Ever tried the SUperKaramba widgets? Or the Adesklets? |
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| 03:53.43 | pptux | intrade: you can filter it |
| 03:53.45 | intrade | superkaramba had that 2 years ago uses loads ram |
| 03:53.56 | Ardonik | Admittedly, I prefer GKrellM; the BubbleFishyMon is worth the cover price. |
| 03:54.15 | pptux | intrade: thanks,i'll go for lunch |
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| 03:55.31 | purplepenguins | superkaramba I don't like |
| 03:55.57 | Shadow_mil | Ardonik: I don't like superkaramba, though liquid weather++ is nice |
| 03:56.48 | purplepenguins | I rarely see my desktop anyway |
| 03:57.37 | aditsu | where can I find irc logs for this channel? |
| 03:57.52 | Renze | aditsu: wherever your client saves them |
| 03:58.18 | aditsu | Renze: haha, I mean.. is there a bot that logs when I'm not online? |
| 03:58.33 | Renze | not sure, but I doubt it |
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| 04:11.44 | corevette | where does ktorrent save the .torrent files? |
| 04:11.53 | purplepenguins | could be ~/.ktorrent |
| 04:11.55 | hagabaka | :O |
| 04:12.13 | wolsni | corevette: ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent |
| 04:12.14 | hagabaka | ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent/ |
| 04:12.16 | purplepenguins | or in ~/.kde/ somewhere |
| 04:12.19 | purplepenguins | yeah |
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| 04:14.47 | corevette | hagabaka, where in that directory is it? |
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| 04:16.06 | hagabaka | the tor*/torrent files |
| 04:16.28 | corevette | ? |
| 04:16.40 | corevette | i have folders like |
| 04:16.45 | corevette | tor0, tor1, tor2, etc |
| 04:16.56 | hagabaka | ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent/tor0/torrent, ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent/tor1/torrent, etc |
| 04:17.11 | corevette | is that a .torrent file? |
| 04:17.15 | hagabaka | yes |
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| 04:17.27 | corevette | okay |
| 04:17.33 | corevette | so if i was going to continue a download |
| 04:17.35 | corevette | on a diff computer |
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| 04:17.39 | corevette | i just need that |
| 04:17.43 | corevette | and the data files |
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| 04:22.06 | caotic | is there a way to specify in kde to connect to a certain wep protected wirelss network ? |
| 04:23.06 | caotic | nevermind i found it |
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| 04:33.12 | vienessewaltzer | hey i'm having some troubles installing the kdm theme manager could someone help me out? |
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| 04:39.34 | dalia | hello |
| 04:39.50 | dalia | afk, how long i did not hear that |
| 04:40.26 | dalia | is there a program in kde that automatically mounts/unmounts devices and puts link on desktop etc.? |
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| 04:41.20 | dalia | i've just migrated from gnome and i am noticing that it's not automatic now, although i did choose packages manually |
| 04:42.45 | Renze | it is automatic here |
| 04:43.02 | DawnLight | i maybe missing a package then |
| 04:43.11 | DawnLight | any ideas? |
| 04:43.19 | Renze | not knowing your distro, none at all |
| 04:43.27 | DawnLight | debian :0 |
| 04:43.35 | Renze | sorry, I know little or nothing about debian |
| 04:44.04 | DawnLight | hmmm... are they that different |
| 04:44.13 | Renze | they can be, yes |
| 04:44.27 | Renze | I happen to use a distro that is very different from debian |
| 04:44.30 | wolsni | DawnLight: some distros (debian included) break up kde more than the developers would like |
| 04:44.57 | wolsni | DawnLight: i suspect if you install debian's kdebase metapackage (and maybe log out/in) things will automount |
| 04:45.25 | DawnLight | kdebase... hold on... |
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| 04:46.30 | DawnLight | it is installed wolsni... ? |
| 04:47.32 | Jucato | afaik it's not KDE itself that automounts stuff, but a combinationof HAL and pmount... |
| 04:47.37 | Jucato | (and dbus I think) |
| 04:48.04 | Renze | yes, dbus is required... but it is KDE that calls pmount |
| 04:48.25 | Jucato | ah |
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| 04:49.01 | DawnLight | well i have all of the above installed |
| 04:49.26 | wolsni | DawnLight: maybe you'd find someone who knew what they were talking about in #debian :) |
| 04:50.14 | DawnLight | unfortunately that's my origin |
| 04:50.40 | DawnLight | but i'm sure i'll get the help there soon, thanks |
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| 04:51.30 | qupada | Renze: make your damn mind up already |
| 04:51.40 | qupada | you were talking about that hours ago |
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| 04:52.13 | Renze | no, this is the first time I mentioned ice cream... earlier it was tasty foodstuffs, and I had those... pork sausages with cheese and relish wrapped in slices of bread |
| 04:52.20 | DawnLight | qupada, you got your highlight set to ice cream? :) |
| 04:52.39 | qupada | DawnLight: no, i just torment Renze |
| 04:52.58 | DawnLight | i made myself laugh |
| 04:53.08 | DawnLight | highlight to ice cream |
| 04:53.11 | DawnLight | lol |
| 04:53.19 | qupada | oi said torment, not torture |
| 04:53.23 | qupada | s/oi/i |
| 04:53.41 | DawnLight | well bye now |
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| 04:55.51 | Jucato | guess someone was afraid of alligator clips... |
| 04:56.14 | Jucato | wth?! I'm a Palm OS?! O.o |
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| 04:59.55 | purplepenguins | no |
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| 05:00.46 | Jucato | why quietly only? D |
| 05:01.03 | Renze | shhh! |
| 05:01.10 | Jucato | :P |
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| 05:12.26 | DawnLight | how do i get it do put a link to desktop on automount of cdrom/usb/etc? |
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| 05:15.20 | Simkin | DawnLight: i've never used that feature but i think you just right click on the desktop, configure desktop, |
| 05:15.31 | Simkin | behavior |
| 05:15.33 | Simkin | file icons |
| 05:15.37 | Simkin | sorry |
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| 05:15.39 | Simkin | device icons. |
| 05:15.42 | DuClare | is anybody able to explain why kde's / kdm's fontsizes are pooped up every second time I reboot? |
| 05:15.50 | Simkin | then show device icons,and the ones you want to see. |
| 05:16.06 | Simkin | DuClare: please defined pooped up. |
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| 05:16.47 | DuClare | too small |
| 05:18.25 | Simkin | DuClare: perhaps your monitor is being detected as different sizes. |
| 05:18.32 | Simkin | DuClare: so your dpi is getting wonky. |
| 05:18.32 | DuClare | hm.. |
| 05:18.39 | DuClare | what can I do about it? |
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| 05:19.48 | Simkin | i'm trying to remember |
| 05:20.40 | Simkin | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Set_DPI_(Dots_Per_Inch) |
| 05:20.42 | Simkin | there we go |
| 05:20.58 | Simkin | specically i'd look at |
| 05:20.58 | Simkin | File: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:20.58 | Simkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.58 | Simkin | DisplaySize 325 243 |
| 05:21.07 | linux_ | does anyone know if BFG GeForce 7950 GT OC needs the legacy driver? |
| 05:21.10 | Simkin | change that to the dimensions of your monitor. |
| 05:21.17 | DuClare | hmm |
| 05:21.27 | DuClare | is there a way to check which settings I have at the moment? |
| 05:21.49 | Moncader | linux_: It shouldn't... I'm using 7800GTX and it uses the regular current driver |
| 05:22.00 | Simkin | duclare: kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:22.32 | DuClare | erm, I haven't set up displaysize in xorg.conf ;) |
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| 05:24.00 | linux_ | when i use the current driver it works fine the first time.. but when i restart, the x server fails |
| 05:24.08 | linux_ | well both drivers^ |
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| 05:24.29 | linux_ | and i disabled the nv module |
| 05:24.33 | Simkin | DuClare: it's usually auto detected |
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| 05:25.03 | Simkin | DuClare: i'm guessing your monitor is sending incorrect info, or for some reason the signal is getting goofed up. |
| 05:25.29 | Vash63 | Is it normal for Beryl 0.2.1 to have emerald and beryl-manager fail to start half the time? |
| 05:25.41 | DuClare | so far it has got *always* fixed as soon as I kill X and start again.. |
| 05:25.52 | Vash63 | I don't think it's something wrong with my setup because the other half the time it will work. Like, I can restart X 10 times and it will work 5 of them. |
| 05:26.23 | DawnLight | thanks Simkin! |
| 05:26.50 | Moncader | Vash63: I get this all the time. It's been doing since .1.4 for me |
| 05:26.53 | Simkin | DawnLight: np |
| 05:26.54 | Simkin | did it work ? |
| 05:27.41 | Moncader | linux_: What distro are you using? |
| 05:28.03 | DawnLight | no, Simkin, probebly because i didn't select the right one, although think i did |
| 05:28.32 | linux_ | ubuntu ultimate |
| 05:29.07 | linux_ | ubuntu itself does the same thing |
| 05:29.10 | Simkin | oh |
| 05:29.14 | Simkin | it's working over here DawnLight |
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| 05:29.45 | purplepenguins | what ubuntu needs to sell well is ahve a ridiculous number of versions with fancy names |
| 05:29.45 | Simkin | i used sabayon for my beryl box |
| 05:29.48 | Simkin | it worked very well |
| 05:29.54 | purplepenguins | ubuntu business |
| 05:29.58 | purplepenguins | ubuntu home premium |
| 05:30.01 | Jucato | #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
| 05:30.31 | Moncader | linux_: Darn, was hoping you'd say Suse heh. Then I could help ya. |
| 05:31.04 | StarScream | can anyone tell me how to generate widgets from kommander ? i.e inside a script attached to an existing widget |
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| 05:34.18 | nixternal | OK, how come I cannot figure out, or remember how to prevent Konqueror from asking if I want to save a password or not everytime I enter one. OK, don't answer that question, but can someone point me quickly to an answer? |
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| 05:37.58 | Moncader | isn't that a kde wallet thing? Not just Konqueror? |
| 05:38.26 | DawnLight | it did work Simkin :) |
| 05:39.26 | Jucato | nixternal: disable the kde wallet subsystem? |
| 05:40.05 | Moncader | or if you like kdewallet for other things... you can tell it to do specific things with konquorer only in it's settings.. |
| 05:40.19 | nixternal | Jucato: can't do that, I need the wallet |
| 05:40.28 | Jucato | hm... |
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| 05:40.42 | Jucato | so you only want to disable it for Konqueror? |
| 05:41.06 | nixternal | yup |
| 05:41.54 | nixternal | plus Konqi isn't even in my wallet |
| 05:42.16 | Jucato | well, it stores per page/access... not per app... I think... ugh! |
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| 05:42.41 | nixternal | heh |
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| 06:13.43 | Renze | Tasteless joke of the day: "Steve Irwin was asked in an interview shortly before he died what his favourite TV show was as a child. He answered that he liked Thunderbirds, but Stingray had a special place in his heart." |
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| 06:17.04 | oneforall | strace ld -lacl I see it looks and finds libacl.so in /usr/lib64 . just can't figure out what making at conpile to look in /lib64 only |
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| 06:40.20 | aditsu | hi, I set up 2 monitors (xinerama), but when I go to "screen resize and rotate" -> configure display -> multiple monitors, it doesn't let me change the width and height, what's the problem? |
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| 06:42.14 | Simkin | how would you chnage the width and height? |
| 06:42.40 | Simkin | oh, i see what you mean |
| 06:42.46 | aditsu | I was trying to edit the values, or something |
| 06:42.58 | Simkin | you need to modify your xorg.conf unfortunately |
| 06:43.14 | aditsu | no way to change it while it's running? |
| 06:43.23 | aditsu | (I mean for one monitor, not both) |
| 06:43.27 | Simkin | you can |
| 06:43.29 | Simkin | if it's set up first |
| 06:43.35 | aditsu | oh |
| 06:43.55 | aditsu | what is the key setting in xorg.conf? |
| 06:43.58 | Simkin | although.. i've always had my monitors auto detec the right settings. |
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| 06:44.14 | Simkin | aditsu: under screen look for a modes option |
| 06:44.21 | Simkin | it probably has just one entry "1024x768" or something |
| 06:44.24 | Simkin | add the others you want |
| 06:44.32 | Simkin | Modes"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" |
| 06:44.35 | Simkin | kinda like that |
| 06:45.08 | aditsu | Simkin: ok, but will it apply to both monitors? |
| 06:45.28 | Simkin | i think so. |
| 06:45.43 | aditsu | I only want to change the resolution of one monitor |
| 06:45.46 | Simkin | are you using nvidia? |
| 06:45.51 | aditsu | ATI |
| 06:45.54 | Simkin | hrm |
| 06:45.57 | Simkin | dunno about ati |
| 06:46.05 | Simkin | you're gonna have to fiddle and hope |
| 06:46.14 | Simkin | Option "MetaModes" "1280x1024,1440x900" |
| 06:46.21 | Simkin | that's what i use in nvidia to do what you want. |
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| 06:57.29 | peppelorum | How do I do my own notifications? Like Kopetes bubbles etc, do I use dcop or something else? |
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| 07:00.13 | peppelorum | Seems not to be knotify, cause that causes regular popups/alerts |
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| 07:00.50 | Renze | kopete's bubble is exclusively kopete |
| 07:01.17 | peppelorum | Okay, isn't there a common notify function for whole KDE? |
| 07:02.21 | peppelorum | http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/notification-daemon doesn't fit so nicely in to the desktop |
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| 07:03.26 | benJIman | peppelorum: yeah there's knotify which can use kpassivepopups etc |
| 07:03.33 | benJIman | been around a lot longer than notification-daemon |
| 07:04.05 | benJIman | if you just want to cause them from a script you can use the kpopup programme |
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| 07:04.51 | peppelorum | ah, forgot about kdialog, thanks=) |
| 07:04.51 | aditsu | what could cause "could not start a subprocess" |
| 07:04.57 | aditsu | when I try to drag from ark? |
| 07:06.51 | peppelorum | But passivepopup looked even uglier than notification-daemon, andit put the poopup in the top left corner of the desktop, darn.. |
| 07:09.36 | benJIman | peppelorum: it will put it wherever the system tray is by default but it it customizable to put them wherever you want |
| 07:09.50 | benJIman | and the popups adapt to your theme, if you want custom ones you can extend kpassivepopup |
| 07:10.06 | benJIman | You could implement kopete's bubble using kpassivepopup for example |
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| 07:11.34 | peppelorum | My passivepopup more looks like a speach bubble (like in the comics) and not like the regular square one, odd |
| 07:11.57 | peppelorum | benJIman: thanks for the tip, maybe I look into it more deeply=) |
| 07:12.34 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/opensuse-updater-nag.png is kpassivepopup btw |
| 07:12.48 | TehKewl1 | are you guys talking about kde or a problem with your reproductive systems? |
| 07:12.57 | DawnLight | how do i get konqueror to behave like an internet browser like when launching it to go to homepage url? |
| 07:13.17 | Renze | browse to the page you want, and save the profile |
| 07:13.35 | Bille | TehKewl1: that's enough wikipedia pseudo-medicine, thank-you! |
| 07:13.35 | Renze | be sure to tick "save URL" in the dialog that pops up |
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| 07:15.23 | peppelorum | benJIman: okay, this is how it looks at my desktop, http://peppesbodega.nu/files/Dump/passivepopup.png |
| 07:15.46 | benJIman | peppelorum: looks like you're using the actual kpopup program? |
| 07:16.02 | benJIman | kdialog even |
| 07:16.24 | peppelorum | benJIman: ah, true, maybe I do something in ruby/korundum instead |
| 07:16.41 | benJIman | I think you can get kdialog to use the real ones, can't remember how though |
| 07:16.43 | DawnLight | hey, it worked Renze. how about when i type something with no type in the address bar to have it search google |
| 07:16.57 | Renze | DawnLight: gg:<keywords> |
| 07:17.36 | benJIman | DawnLight: if you set the default search engine to google, then every time you type something unrecognised into the address bar it will google it |
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| 07:18.08 | benJIman | settings -> configure konqueror -> web shortcuts -> default search engine |
| 07:18.09 | DawnLight | ho! nice very nice thanks alot |
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| 07:28.36 | purplepenguins | man, konversation really is better than xchat |
| 07:28.48 | Renze | purplepenguins: we know ;) |
| 07:28.49 | intrade | yup lol |
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| 07:29.03 | intrade | xchat went down the tube a while ago |
| 07:29.04 | purplepenguins | the only thing that annoys me are that I don't know how to change the colors |
| 07:29.14 | intrade | well dont lol |
| 07:29.18 | purplepenguins | it's similar in all the right ways |
| 07:29.27 | purplepenguins | and different in all the right ways |
| 07:29.35 | Jucato | which colors? |
| 07:29.46 | purplepenguins | it doesn't do highlighting |
| 07:30.01 | purplepenguins | and when you post in different colors it renders them incorrectly |
| 07:30.03 | intrade | well you are purple here |
| 07:30.05 | Jucato | highlighting = when your nick is mentioned? |
| 07:30.09 | purplepenguins | no |
| 07:30.19 | purplepenguins | when you post text that has a background behind it |
| 07:30.21 | Jucato | well that's what highlighting is |
| 07:30.37 | Jucato | ah that's being fixed for the next release |
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| 07:30.39 | Jucato | known bug |
| 07:30.50 | Jucato | but Ctrl+K to get the color picker |
| 07:31.00 | purplepenguins | that's the only problem I really have |
| 07:31.05 | purplepenguins | most of the color things are okay |
| 07:31.15 | monzie | Jucato: good morning |
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| 07:31.31 | Jucato | good afternoon monzie! :) |
| 07:31.49 | Renze | but it is evening! |
| 07:31.52 | monzie | Jucato: oops |
| 07:31.59 | monzie | Renze: it's a weird world |
| 07:31.59 | Jucato | hehe it's ok :) |
| 07:32.13 | Renze | pesky timezones |
| 07:32.25 | Renze | we should unroll the earth and make it flat |
| 07:32.26 | monzie | GSoc made me sad |
| 07:32.28 | purplepenguins | hmm, one thing to configure, need to have monospaced font |
| 07:32.36 | monzie | I wished i were a college student again |
| 07:32.51 | monzie | Renze: but then you'd fall off the earth! |
| 07:33.14 | Renze | monzie: no, I'd just be living on the edge ;) |
| 07:33.18 | lou_cal | monzie: you can be a mentor |
| 07:33.19 | Jucato | purplepenguins: Settings -> Configure Konversation |
| 07:33.27 | purplepenguins | already changed it :) |
| 07:33.34 | Jucato | but mentors don't get paid :) |
| 07:33.39 | purplepenguins | I've gotten the KDE configuration style down already |
| 07:33.47 | purplepenguins | it's always Settings -> Configure X |
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| 07:34.33 | monzie | lou_cal: yeah i guess so. But i am not that good a developer to be a mentor! |
| 07:34.59 | purplepenguins | is Qt 4 already ported to windows/ |
| 07:35.09 | purplepenguins | or hasn't it happened yet |
| 07:35.10 | Jucato | wrong question :) |
| 07:36.14 | Jucato | Qt is has always been available on Windows. but Qt 4 provides a GPL version for Windows too |
| 07:36.21 | purplepenguins | oh really? |
| 07:36.24 | purplepenguins | that is good |
| 07:36.32 | purplepenguins | I was wanting to make a Python app |
| 07:36.39 | purplepenguins | that would be portable |
| 07:36.49 | Jucato | python is cross platform |
| 07:36.50 | purplepenguins | and I wanted to figure out which toolkit to use |
| 07:36.56 | Renze | no need to use wxwindows any more ;) |
| 07:37.09 | purplepenguins | I was considering wxWindows |
| 07:37.19 | purplepenguins | err, wxPython |
| 07:37.28 | purplepenguins | but it used GTK on Linux |
| 07:37.29 | Renze | you need both |
| 07:37.38 | Jucato | aw... poor other toolkits.. :( |
| 07:37.42 | intrade | i used gtk on winblows also |
| 07:37.44 | purplepenguins | I do like GTK |
| 07:37.50 | purplepenguins | but it doesn't integrate so nicely |
| 07:38.16 | intrade | i run gkrellm on winblows lol |
| 07:38.36 | purplepenguins | so I was considering PyQt but I didn't know if Qt was ported to Windows yet |
| 07:39.00 | purplepenguins | but now I know |
| 07:39.02 | purplepenguins | so this is good |
| 07:39.07 | intrade | thegimp also needs gtk |
| 07:39.09 | Jucato | Qt is not "ported" |
| 07:39.28 | purplepenguins | okay, if it is available |
| 07:39.32 | Jucato | :) |
| 07:39.44 | purplepenguins | since the majority of windows apps are written with qt.. |
| 07:39.58 | purplepenguins | does Qt not look shitty on windows? |
| 07:40.31 | Renze | Qt looks native on Windows, afaik |
| 07:40.44 | Jucato | iirc yes |
| 07:40.49 | TehKewl1 | what are you sayin' bout' Qt? |
| 07:40.51 | Jucato | Scribus for example |
| 07:41.03 | Jucato | O.o |
| 07:41.26 | Renze | Qt also looks native on MacOSX |
| 07:41.35 | purplepenguins | That's good |
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| 07:41.50 | purplepenguins | then all that is left to do is learn PyQt then |
| 07:42.31 | purplepenguins | I've done some GUI coding before, but with C# on Windows... |
| 07:42.37 | Renze | ick |
| 07:42.59 | purplepenguins | it's probably the same as in Python at some level |
| 07:43.07 | purplepenguins | the widgets will be different |
| 07:43.19 | purplepenguins | should I try using Qt 3 or Qt 4 |
| 07:43.31 | Renze | Qt is quite different to most toolkits... with signals/slots, etc |
| 07:43.45 | Renze | Qt4 is the only version that is GPL on all three platforms |
| 07:43.52 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 07:44.06 | purplepenguins | does KDE handle Qt 4? |
| 07:44.12 | Renze | KDE4 will |
| 07:44.13 | Jucato | KDE 4 willl |
| 07:44.15 | Jucato | snappppp |
| 07:44.22 | purplepenguins | I meant now |
| 07:44.25 | Renze | no |
| 07:44.28 | purplepenguins | with 3.5 |
| 07:44.35 | Renze | KDE3 uses Qt3 |
| 07:44.51 | Renze | Qt3 and Qt4 are not API compatible |
| 07:45.12 | purplepenguins | I know |
| 07:45.30 | MuJ | you can use Qt4 programs in KDE3 of course if you have both Qt's installed :| |
| 07:45.31 | Jucato | but Qt4 apps can run on KDE 3.5.x |
| 07:45.34 | purplepenguins | so I guess that I'll use Qt4 to be future compatible |
| 07:45.42 | Jucato | snap again! |
| 07:45.45 | MuJ | :) |
| 07:45.58 | purplepenguins | and so that windows users don't have to use non-GPL software |
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| 07:46.29 | Renze | they don't sell snapple in NZ |
| 07:46.37 | Jucato | at least you know what it is :D |
| 07:46.49 | Renze | yes, I watch American TV (unless I can avoid it) |
| 07:46.52 | MuJ | I've always wondered what it tastes like |
| 07:46.56 | Renze | me too |
| 07:47.16 | Renze | probably just like NZ's version - fresh up |
| 07:47.17 | purplepenguins | american tv is 90% crap |
| 07:47.26 | Renze | purplepenguins: no, 99.97% |
| 07:47.32 | purplepenguins | I was being lenient |
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| 07:47.45 | purplepenguins | I don't know how much what I watch makes up in the total of TV |
| 07:48.02 | purplepenguins | and honestly I can't think of a show that I watch regularly |
| 07:48.11 | purplepenguins | I used to watch House |
| 07:48.15 | MuJ | I've been watching only snooker lately :) |
| 07:48.16 | purplepenguins | but I've gotten bored |
| 07:48.44 | purplepenguins | I watch Heroes but I've missed the last few |
| 07:49.03 | Renze | don't anybody fill him in and spoil it for me! |
| 07:49.24 | purplepenguins | don't tell me what's happened in the last five eps or so :) |
| 07:49.33 | purplepenguins | or I'll be sad |
| 07:49.37 | Renze | NZ is way behind |
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| 07:49.44 | MuJ | which reminds me, china open starts on 26th :) |
| 07:49.48 | purplepenguins | actually I have no idea how many I missed |
| 07:49.53 | purplepenguins | probably more than that |
| 07:50.00 | purplepenguins | I'm going to go catch up on all of them when I have time |
| 07:50.23 | purplepenguins | lessee |
| 07:50.36 | purplepenguins | I used to watch L&O SVU |
| 07:51.04 | Renze | the law & order family of shows (that keeps producing new offspring) bores me to tears |
| 07:51.19 | purplepenguins | I hate Criminal intent myself.. |
| 07:51.24 | purplepenguins | don't like the style |
| 07:51.29 | purplepenguins | or the characters |
| 07:51.48 | purplepenguins | the original series is good |
| 07:51.50 | Renze | I only really watch two shows these days... Heroes and Lost - the rest is just background noise |
| 07:51.55 | Jucato | you don't like stutstutstuttering characters? :) |
| 07:52.00 | purplepenguins | heh |
| 07:52.10 | purplepenguins | I watched that one, that's like one of only two eps I've seen |
| 07:52.44 | purplepenguins | hmm, how do you load scripts in this program |
| 07:53.19 | Jucato | put them in konvi's scripts folder and create a command alias for it |
| 07:53.23 | purplepenguins | okay |
| 07:53.39 | purplepenguins | got a nice amarok now playing script I use occasionally |
| 07:53.40 | Renze | konvi is not xchat compatible when it comes to scripts... they use dcop instead |
| 07:53.44 | Jucato | take a look in the command aliases configuration. some of those are scripts |
| 07:53.45 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 07:53.54 | purplepenguins | if they use dcop I could make my own amarok script |
| 07:53.56 | Renze | konvi already comes with a now playing script |
| 07:54.03 | purplepenguins | and it uses amarok? |
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| 07:54.08 | Jucato | yes |
| 07:54.12 | Renze | it uses whatever happens to be playing |
| 07:54.13 | purplepenguins | that's good |
| 07:54.14 | Jucato | purplepenguins: /media |
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| 07:54.59 | DawnLight | so how do i burn cds with kde? |
| 07:55.04 | Jucato | k3b |
| 07:55.06 | purplepenguins | k3b |
| 07:55.08 | purplepenguins | ohhh |
| 07:55.10 | purplepenguins | tooo sloooow |
| 07:55.19 | DawnLight | jucato takes the round |
| 07:55.25 | Jucato | :) |
| 07:55.34 | purplepenguins | you can rip cd's with konqie now |
| 07:55.37 | purplepenguins | it's amaaaaazing |
| 07:55.38 | Renze | no fair, I was putting shoes on! |
| 07:55.50 | Renze | purplepenguins: now? that's been possible for several years |
| 07:56.03 | purplepenguins | well I didn't know about it till earlier this week |
| 07:56.05 | purplepenguins | hush you! |
| 07:56.13 | Renze | :P |
| 07:56.15 | purplepenguins | goes to show how infrequently I rip |
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| 07:56.24 | DawnLight | so i don't need the kauodiocreator? |
| 07:56.37 | purplepenguins | nope |
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| 07:56.57 | purplepenguins | when I went to KDE I found Kaudiocreator |
| 07:56.59 | DawnLight | bye bye then kaudiowhats yournameis |
| 07:57.17 | purplepenguins | also I assumed that if Konqie could do that it would be less useful than kaudiocreator |
| 07:57.45 | Renze | later |
| 07:57.50 | purplepenguins | also my dvd drive has been broke for a while |
| 07:57.52 | purplepenguins | later |
| 07:58.01 | purplepenguins | and I'm too cheap to get a new one |
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| 08:11.20 | Tm_T | Jucato: and spoil good cramps? |
| 08:11.27 | Jucato | :D |
| 08:12.05 | Tm_T | kids, never understand the fun stuff |
| 08:12.16 | Jucato | haha |
| 08:12.40 | Tm_T | I used to go to mirror to watch when half of my face was twitching |
| 08:12.56 | Tm_T | somewhat hilarious |
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| 08:13.16 | Jucato | rofl |
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| 08:19.36 | aditsu | what could cause "could not start a subprocess" when I try to drag from ark? |
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| 08:20.03 | oneforall | ok I just tried kde-base and its the same problem with g++ looking in /lib64 and not continueing to look in /usr/lib64 |
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| 08:33.33 | aditsu | where does konsole store the font configuration? |
| 08:34.01 | purplepenguins | probably in ~/.kde/ somewhere |
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| 08:34.26 | Renze | in ~/.kde/share/config/konsolerc |
| 08:34.53 | aditsu | thanks |
| 08:34.57 | Renze | search for defaultfont= |
| 08:35.47 | aditsu | right now it's using a font that I can't find in the dialog |
| 08:35.52 | aditsu | how is that possible? |
| 08:35.56 | Renze | every kde app stores its settings in ~/.kde/share/config/<appname>rc |
| 08:36.07 | Renze | aditsu: no idea |
| 08:36.32 | aditsu | defaultfont=Luxi Mono,13,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 |
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| 08:38.01 | aditsu | I can find it in OpenOffice, but not in the konsole font dialog |
| 08:38.02 | wabz | g'day, is it possible to make kmail include the timezone in the %D replacement thing? |
| 08:38.21 | Renze | aditsu: then Qt is not reporting it as a monospaced font for some reason |
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| 08:39.03 | aditsu | very strange |
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| 08:39.53 | aditsu | Renze: it definitely worked in the past, that's how I selected it |
| 08:40.17 | Renze | aditsu: then I guess something changed in Qt... as long as it still works, don't worry about it ;) |
| 08:40.58 | aditsu | testing something now.. |
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| 08:58.04 | aditsu | Renze: I found something at http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2006-November/thread.html#2529 but don't understand much ^^ |
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| 09:00.17 | Renze | I'm not sure if Qt3 uses the fontconfig spacing attribute or not |
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| 09:01.20 | mikerose357 | good morning |
| 09:01.52 | mikerose357 | I was looking for a way to map keypresses to actions and in the kde control center found input actions |
| 09:02.24 | Renze | aditsu: ah, apparently it does |
| 09:02.42 | mikerose357 | which seemed to fit the bill nicely however for me they don't work ie after trying to make one of my own I enabled an example action |
| 09:02.51 | mikerose357 | which doesn't work either |
| 09:03.19 | aditsu | Renze: well, I haven't figured out how to fix it yet |
| 09:04.04 | mikerose357 | for further info I run fedora 6, with beryl, although killing beryl and making use of kwin doesn't make the actions work |
| 09:04.15 | mikerose357 | any suggestions? |
| 09:04.28 | Renze | aditsu: put the two match blocks from http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2006-November/002531.html in /etc/fonts/local.conf (or whereever your distro puts it) |
| 09:04.46 | Renze | mikerose357: none at all... input actions have always worked for me |
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| 09:05.15 | mikerose357 | I have a feeling it has something to do with using beryl because beryl grabs keypresses |
| 09:05.23 | mikerose357 | obviously |
| 09:05.33 | TehKewl1 | beyrl is buttsecks |
| 09:05.42 | aditsu | Renze: gentoo; I found /etc/fonts/conf.d/51-local.conf |
| 09:05.44 | mikerose357 | what? |
| 09:05.49 | mikerose357 | I like beryl ;) |
| 09:06.24 | mikerose357 | it works for me |
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| 09:07.01 | mikerose357 | although I have experienced some bugs previously in the current configuration/version I haven't noticed any problems |
| 09:07.12 | Renze | mikerose357: it doesn't work for everyone because it doesn't support all video hardware |
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| 09:07.29 | mikerose357 | true I imagine there is still a lot of work to be done on it |
| 09:07.38 | Renze | that's an understatement |
| 09:07.44 | mikerose357 | but it is nice if it works )) |
| 09:07.48 | DawnLight | howdy. i'm installing an HP Officejet 5500 now and hoping to get some guidance |
| 09:08.08 | aditsu | Renze: I did, and then how do I rebuild the fonts? |
| 09:08.19 | aditsu | or whatever I have to do |
| 09:08.20 | Renze | aditsu: run fc-cache as root |
| 09:08.59 | DawnLight | hmmm... where do i begin? |
| 09:09.49 | aditsu | Renze: nothing changed |
| 09:10.06 | Renze | aditsu: I didn't try it |
| 09:10.21 | mikerose357 | renze isn't there anywhere you can buy paper that doesn't come from old growth forests? |
| 09:10.43 | Renze | mikerose357: and how can you tell? |
| 09:10.52 | DawnLight | how about contributing to my kde setup :-/ |
| 09:11.13 | mikerose357 | I would google for eco friendly paper maybe ;) |
| 09:11.14 | Renze | DawnLight: um, kinda hard to help setting up a printer when I haven't had to in a very long time |
| 09:11.31 | Renze | I prefer digital documents |
| 09:11.58 | mikerose357 | so do I but occasionally its nice to print for whatever reason |
| 09:12.37 | DawnLight | i mean really now, this must be very simple, i understand HP supports linux |
| 09:12.58 | Renze | DawnLight: starting point: kcontrol -> peripherals -> printers |
| 09:13.36 | Renze | DawnLight: or if you're using CUPS and want to do it direct, use http://127.0.0.1:631 |
| 09:13.58 | DawnLight | it's just that i don't |
| 09:13.58 | DawnLight | i am not fully linux compatible |
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| 09:14.56 | DawnLight | i don't know what CUPS is i'm sorry :) |
| 09:15.09 | Renze | Common Unix Printing System |
| 09:15.10 | DawnLight | whatever prints the pages will be fine |
| 09:15.17 | DawnLight | sounds good |
| 09:15.41 | Renze | try clicking on the link I put up there and see if it shows you something |
| 09:15.54 | aditsu | Renze: fc-cache -r did it, thanks :) |
| 09:16.05 | Renze | if it works, you're using CUPS |
| 09:16.09 | Renze | aditsu: ok |
| 09:16.49 | DawnLight | omg i can see the inside of my printer |
| 09:16.57 | Renze | ? |
| 09:16.59 | DawnLight | okay i see the cups |
| 09:17.19 | Renze | click on Add Printer |
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| 09:17.43 | Renze | if it asks for login/password, use roots login and password |
| 09:18.34 | Renze | the rest is up to you, because I have no printers to add |
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| 09:21.53 | DawnLight | it doesn't have any printers listed, Renze |
| 09:21.56 | DawnLight | hmm... it's copyrighted |
| 09:22.02 | DawnLight | Renze? |
| 09:22.21 | Renze | DawnLight: ask in your distro channel how to install a package of print filters |
| 09:22.35 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 09:22.36 | Renze | I am not the font of all knowledge, nor do I want to be |
| 09:22.47 | DawnLight | you wanna go there |
| 09:22.53 | DawnLight | later |
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| 09:30.30 | mikerose357 | it turns out in beryl I can map keypresses to command line actions and control amarok at the command line via dcop which basically accomplishes what I was trying to do in any case |
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| 09:32.13 | Renze | and you couldn't just use amarok's global shortcuts? |
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| 09:35.55 | monzie | Dont you think the window management features of KWin leave a lot to be desired? |
| 09:36.39 | mikerose357 | what specificly does it not do that you want it to do? |
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| 09:45.31 | juhaj | any kde developers around? |
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| 09:49.02 | Renze | juhaj: try in #kde-devel |
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| 09:58.05 | DawnLight | Renze, i've apted HPLIP which was recommended by the linuxprinting.org and also a bunch or other packages reccommended/suggested by HPLIP |
| 09:58.21 | Renze | DawnLight: means nothing to me, I'm afraid |
| 09:58.22 | DawnLight | now what? |
| 09:58.50 | Renze | DawnLight: see if the printers are listed in the cups thingy |
| 09:59.10 | Renze | there is probably a #cups channel too |
| 10:04.12 | DawnLight | it isn't |
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| 10:04.33 | Renze | then I suggest asking in #cups |
| 10:05.00 | juhaj | Renze: thanks. I'll ask this here, too, anyways. |
| 10:05.30 | pip | this is ridiculous |
| 10:05.30 | pip | keep getting disconnected on the internet |
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| 10:05.57 | juhaj | KDE is unable to "remember forever" SSL certificates *IF* the $HOME is, for any reason, temporarily unavailable. |
| 10:06.07 | juhaj | is this a known behaviour and is it about to get fixed? |
| 10:06.23 | Renze | um, how can a certificate get saved in $HOME if it isn't there? |
| 10:06.26 | benJIman | I don't see a way round it |
| 10:06.50 | Renze | and why would $HOME be disappearing in the middle of a session anyway? isn't that extraordinarily bad? |
| 10:08.09 | juhaj | Renze: No, it is not bad - AFS/NFSv4 access rights may expire in the middle of your session. everything else works fine after you regain your Kerberos ticket *except* KDE *STILL* cannot remember that I said "remember forever". |
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| 10:09.08 | juhaj | Renze: I am not complaining about not being able to remember the certificate while $HOME is inaccessible, but KDE does not remember it EVER AFTER. not even if I tell it again to "remember again". |
| 10:09.25 | juhaj | Renze: only a relogin helps (it seems to be kdeinit must be restarted) |
| 10:09.39 | Renze | or a particular service, perhaps |
| 10:10.07 | yuxel | hi, I'm using debian and I want to learn whick packge does the job, when right clicking on a compressed file (which ark can open) and a menu appears like "extract here" or sth like that |
| 10:10.10 | juhaj | Renze: I would test that if I knew which service to restart (it would also alleviate the problem a lot since relogins are a pita) |
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| 10:10.36 | Renze | juhaj: never having encountered the problem (I'm on a single-user PC here), I have no idea ;) |
| 10:11.15 | juhaj | Renze: just put your home on local NFSv4, mount it with sec=krb5 and wait until your ticket expires... |
| 10:11.30 | Renze | I don't any kerberos stuff set up or installed |
| 10:11.44 | Renze | no need for it |
| 10:12.18 | Renze | juhaj: and I'm not a KDE developer, by the way... otherwise I'd be in #kde-devel |
| 10:13.33 | Jucato | (actually he's just too modest to be a kde developer...) |
| 10:15.36 | Jucato | I mean, he is knowledgeable and old enough to actually be one :) |
| 10:15.45 | Renze | Jucato: you have submitted more code to KDE than I have ;) |
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| 10:15.59 | Renze | even if the patches got ignored, it is still more than me :D |
| 10:16.02 | Jucato | does 2 copy-paste patches count? |
| 10:16.33 | DawnLight | Renze, the printer wizard recognizes the printer, but not as a usb printer, but as a CUPS direct |
| 10:16.36 | DawnLight | and when i select it the list of drivers is empty |
| 10:16.37 | Renze | I have other things I need to get out of the way first before I start contributing code to the project |
| 10:17.02 | Renze | DawnLight: you're still asking me even after I told you I don't know about setting up printers because I don't have one? |
| 10:17.10 | DawnLight | i'm guessing PTALsorry |
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| 10:25.23 | DawnLight | i've got it workin' Renze, thanks |
| 10:25.27 | Renze | ok |
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| 10:47.37 | Russel_ | hiho |
| 10:48.02 | Russel_ | i have a little question about kde4 |
| 10:48.12 | Tm_T | we all do |
| 10:48.21 | Russel_ | will the widgets be rendered by opengl or will there be a switch to do so? |
| 10:48.51 | Renze | Russel_: Qt4 can use several methods for rendering widgets... one of which is opengl I believe |
| 10:49.03 | Jucato | afaik, it won't use opengl |
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| 10:49.15 | Jucato | (wouldn't that be suicidal?) |
| 10:49.20 | Russel_ | Renze: i know it can do this |
| 10:49.23 | Russel_ | why? |
| 10:49.59 | Renze | it'll probably use arthur for the rendering |
| 10:50.04 | Desintegr | can KDE4 make the coffee at the morning ? |
| 10:50.12 | incidence | Yes ! |
| 10:50.17 | Jucato | Desintegr: no. only in the evenings |
| 10:50.17 | Renze | Desintegr: who cares about coffee? I want pizza, damnit! |
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| 10:51.07 | Russel_ | shouldn't be there a speedup in rendering by opengl on a "modern" graphics card? |
| 10:51.19 | Russel_ | (and perhaps we get nice effekts easily) |
| 10:51.34 | Jucato | if you have the proper (proprietary?) drivers installed, I think it will |
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| 10:52.13 | Russel_ | than it would be nice, of course with a fallback |
| 10:52.20 | Russel_ | but i didn't heard about this anywhere |
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| 10:52.50 | Contrast83 | What's up, everyone? |
| 10:52.55 | Jucato | unfortunately, no dev around to authoritatively give you an answer Russel_ |
| 10:53.04 | Contrast83 | Are there any users of kxMAME or KAMEFU in here? |
| 10:53.07 | Russel_ | perhaps i ask in the dev channel |
| 10:53.13 | Russel_ | but i forget the name everytime |
| 10:53.15 | Russel_ | which is it? |
| 10:53.25 | Jucato | #kde4-devel |
| 10:53.42 | Russel_ | thanks |
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| 10:54.12 | pip | goddamn freenode |
| 10:54.34 | pip | it says that someone is logged in with name |
| 10:56.19 | Renze | so use the ghost command to "kill" them |
| 10:56.31 | Renze | assuming you have it registered |
| 10:56.45 | pip | ghost command? |
| 10:57.05 | Renze | you don't know how to use nickserv? |
| 10:57.06 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.22 | Jucato | presuming the nick is registered to you |
| 10:57.38 | pip | yeah |
| 10:57.52 | pip | it's not working because it says the nick doesn't exist? |
| 10:58.09 | Renze | then there is nobody online with that nick |
| 10:58.28 | pip | when I do /nick, it says it's already in use |
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| 11:01.17 | pip | it is simultaneously there and not there |
| 11:02.27 | pip | this is getting irritating |
| 11:02.34 | pip | how can my other account be connected |
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| 11:02.41 | qupada | schrodinger's nick? |
| 11:02.48 | Renze | meow |
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| 11:07.25 | bk8 | hi |
| 11:07.51 | bk8 | if i make a shortcut on the desktop to launch an aterm, how can i give command line arguments to the aterm call? |
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| 11:10.36 | g-henna | hi! |
| 11:11.23 | g-henna | is it possible to have a background process pre-load some kde libraries while kdm is waiting for user input? so that the actual login is a lot faster? |
| 11:11.29 | Contrast83 | bk8: Go to the properties for the shortcut -> Application -> Command. |
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| 11:13.17 | Contrast83 | g-henna: I'm sure it's possible on an end-user level, but I don't see them ever making something like that the default, as it probably wouldn't work well if someone has more than one desktop environment. |
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| 11:15.04 | g-henna | Contrast83: well, i'm the only user on my laptop and unfortunately, kde login is still as long as the whole system startup - in the first time. that's why i thought if there is a lot preloaded while the user is not logged in, this would speed up everything |
| 11:16.37 | g-henna | Contrast83: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-optimize&m=107875178924596&w=2 |
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| 11:18.18 | Contrast83 | g-henna: You might try asking in #bash. I'd imagine it has to do with editing the KDM script. |
| 11:18.29 | g-henna | ok, thanks |
| 11:18.37 | g-henna | bye |
| 11:19.01 | Contrast83 | No problem. Good luck. Let me know if you find anything out. |
| 11:19.14 | Jucato | any umbrello users here? how does umbrello mark/signify a constructor? |
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| 11:58.15 | tafsen | How can I get my Fn-button combinations to work? |
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| 12:02.36 | Milo- | kde's ksnapshot's command lime parameter for screenshotting a window? |
| 12:03.25 | Milo- | gnome has gnome-screenshot --window |
| 12:03.33 | Milo- | so what is the same command for ksnapshot? |
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| 12:07.30 | Milo- | i can get it to screenshot something under my mouse, but if i want to screenshot the window that's currently active? |
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| 12:08.23 | Jucato | Milo-: Window under cursor? |
| 12:08.34 | Milo- | that's how i get it to screenshot now |
| 12:08.41 | Milo- | but i want it to screenshot the active window |
| 12:08.50 | Milo- | no matter where my mouse cursor is |
| 12:09.01 | Milo- | ksnapshot --current screenshots window under the cursor |
| 12:09.14 | Jucato | I think Ctrl+PrntScrn.. but that immediately pastes it to the clipboard |
| 12:09.19 | Jucato | let me check |
| 12:09.45 | Jucato | Alt+PrintScreen |
| 12:10.00 | Jucato | Alt+Print = Window Screenshot |
| 12:10.07 | Jucato | Ctrl+Print = Desktop Screenshot |
| 12:10.12 | Jucato | both bypass ksnapshot |
| 12:10.25 | Milo- | yep but i'm using beryl so i need to configure the command it uses for that command |
| 12:10.51 | Jucato | ah... |
| 12:11.29 | Jucato | gtg... try waiting for an answer |
| 12:11.49 | Milo- | Jucato the problem is that beryl is set to gnome-screenshot by default |
| 12:12.02 | Milo- | so my print screen button didnt work at all after i set up beryl to work |
| 12:12.11 | Jucato | crazy beryl :) |
| 12:12.12 | Milo- | until i figured to put the right command to right place |
| 12:12.13 | Jucato | sorry gtg |
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| 12:12.19 | Milo- | mkay :> |
| 12:12.20 | Milo- | thanks anyways |
| 12:12.23 | Milo- | i g2g too :/ |
| 12:12.53 | Jucato | might want to look in DCOP |
| 12:12.58 | Jucato | I mean dcop stuff... run "kdcop" to see |
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| 12:15.34 | annma | oneforall: you found the error you had yesterday? |
| 12:16.06 | oneforall | libacl.la libdir='/lib64 |
| 12:16.32 | oneforall | will fix the acl package |
| 12:16.33 | oneforall | :D |
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| 12:16.44 | annma | the kabc error? |
| 12:17.48 | oneforall | oh that address one |
| 12:17.58 | oneforall | and field . nope |
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| 12:18.54 | oneforall | been trying to find this one just compiling it to check I think this is one that is fixed . the other not yet |
| 12:19.03 | oneforall | what is kabc ? |
| 12:19.58 | oneforall | annma did you have a suggestion to try ? |
| 12:20.23 | oneforall | the .h is in the same dir but yeah weird its not finding it |
| 12:20.51 | annma | as you build in special conditions I have no suggestion |
| 12:21.02 | oneforall | ok koffice is cmpiling so base should now too . now to fix that acl.ls file |
| 12:21.29 | oneforall | I can chtoot and its the same problem |
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| 12:30.13 | Jucato | hi annma! |
| 12:30.29 | annma | Jucato: :)) hi! |
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| 12:31.18 | Jucato | eek! 15 pages before I finish this chapter... :( |
| 12:31.28 | Jucato | oh btw, annma, do you use Umbrello? |
| 12:31.45 | annma | no :( |
| 12:31.50 | Jucato | ah ok thanks :) |
| 12:32.07 | annma | I wanted to use it but it doesnot generate graphs of existing code |
| 12:33.18 | Jucato | hehe I'm trying to use it together with my C++ book which teaches bits and pieces of UML 2 too |
| 12:35.22 | annma | well the doc is a bit thin |
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| 12:40.50 | terlmann | can I have some help , I need to remove some apps from kde startup |
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| 12:41.55 | tremby | i'd like to set kde up so if i drag the titlebar of an inactive window with the right mouse button i can move it without giving it focus or bringing it to the front. i haven't figured out a way -- is there one? |
| 12:42.27 | annma | terlmann: yes, look in .kde/Autostart for a start |
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| 12:44.03 | terlmann | annma , I also have gdm and some other things listed multiple times in kinitv , in runlevels 2 and 3. do I need to eliminate some of those ? |
| 12:44.50 | annma | terlmann: hmm? explain better? |
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| 12:48.58 | terlmann | sshagent , winbindd . smbd , pdflush , klauncher , kdeinit , kded , hald-addon-kbd ,gdm , dcopserver ,dbus-deamon ,and apache have 2 or more entries in my system moniter running processes tab. |
| 12:49.36 | annma | i'd be cautious if I was you |
| 12:49.47 | terlmann | is that bad ? |
| 12:49.49 | annma | what system monitor? |
| 12:50.03 | terlmann | kde system guard |
| 12:50.20 | terlmann | also I cant ever use a tty anymore... |
| 12:50.27 | annma | anymore? |
| 12:50.34 | annma | it worked at some pooint? |
| 12:50.39 | terlmann | I upgraded straight to fiesty from breezy |
| 12:50.40 | terlmann | no |
| 12:50.48 | terlmann | it worked before the upgrade |
| 12:50.54 | terlmann | hold on |
| 12:51.00 | terlmann | I will get you the error |
| 12:51.17 | annma | I have 2 klauncher too |
| 12:51.22 | annma | so don't remove those processes |
| 12:51.39 | annma | about tty it looks like your distro messed things |
| 12:51.50 | annma | KDE is not at fault here |
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| 12:52.00 | terlmann | yea but I have 252 mb of my ram being used |
| 12:52.05 | terlmann | with only 4 left |
| 12:52.35 | annma | did it happen before the upgrade? |
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| 12:52.40 | terlmann | no |
| 12:52.45 | annma | can you try a brand new user? |
| 12:53.52 | terlmann | perhaps. also I have mdadm starting and i have no raid devices. |
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| 12:54.16 | annma | your distro messed things |
| 12:54.22 | annma | try a new user first |
| 12:54.24 | terlmann | yea |
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| 12:54.59 | sean_ | Is there anyone familiar with kmail around? My kmail goes to 100% CPU and stops responding for about 10 seconds every time it checks for new mail. |
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| 12:55.22 | tuxick | sean_: good! means it doesn't crash! |
| 12:55.35 | t35t0r | why shouldn't we delete ~/.kde ? |
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| 12:55.57 | t35t0r | shouldn't it reset everything to "defaults" |
| 12:56.15 | annma | t35t0r: you might rm your mail |
| 12:56.17 | Jucato | and delete you app data along with it |
| 12:56.28 | annma | t35t0r: you back it up if you need to reset |
| 12:56.37 | t35t0r | would it delete konqueror bookmarks? |
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| 12:56.45 | Jucato | yes |
| 12:56.45 | annma | you can loose your mail and addresses, favorites, bookmarks otherwise |
| 12:56.48 | annma | YES |
| 12:56.57 | Jucato | passwords, akregator feeds |
| 12:57.08 | Jucato | playlists (not saved manually in some other place) |
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| 12:57.45 | Jucato | ongoing ktorrent downloads, baskets |
| 12:58.33 | terlmann | nothing in .kde/autostart |
| 12:58.40 | terlmann | just one file' |
| 12:58.48 | terlmann | nothing about startup apps |
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| 13:03.00 | Contrast83 | Everytime I make changes to my color scheme, I have to log out and log back in because text in newly started programs appears very small. Has anyone else experienced this? |
| 13:03.02 | main2 | i would like to write a 'panel applet' myself, with a special purpose :) |
| 13:03.06 | main2 | where do i start? |
| 13:03.17 | annma | main2: you look at one and you do the same |
| 13:03.25 | annma | main2: or you use kdevelop template |
| 13:03.28 | main2 | annma :S |
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| 13:03.46 | main2 | i prefer NOT to write it in C++.. as i find it a pain in the asss :D |
| 13:03.52 | main2 | everything else is fine with me :) |
| 13:04.00 | Jucato | KDE is mostly C++ though.. but there are bindings.. |
| 13:04.14 | annma | a panel applet for kde3.5 I suppose |
| 13:04.17 | cb400f | main2: C? |
| 13:04.30 | main2 | cb400f, C aint a problem for me |
| 13:04.34 | MuJ | c++ is pita? since when? |
| 13:04.48 | main2 | but the endless endless::endless::endless::->crap; |
| 13:04.55 | annma | not in KDE |
| 13:05.04 | annma | did you ever look at kde code? |
| 13:05.09 | main2 | few times |
| 13:05.17 | main2 | but i got fed up with the signalling |
| 13:05.18 | annma | well applets are small things |
| 13:05.22 | main2 | of gtk |
| 13:05.45 | Jucato | O.o |
| 13:05.57 | Jucato | Qt != GTK |
| 13:06.01 | annma | what sort of applet? |
| 13:06.05 | main2 | sorry QT i mean yes :) |
| 13:06.12 | annma | bah |
| 13:06.19 | annma | you for sure did not try hard |
| 13:06.26 | Jucato | QT == QuickTime :P |
| 13:06.28 | Sho_ | (The product is called "Qt") |
| 13:06.39 | annma | and Qt is under KDE whatever language* |
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| 13:06.53 | annma | if you use Python you'll have to use PyQt |
| 13:06.56 | main2 | annma: well, im using a certain laptop model -> which can use a applet which people can use to limit the speed of both the ati-gpu(using powerplay) and the CPU |
| 13:07.12 | annma | so if you cannot stand Qt just move away from KDE |
| 13:07.19 | main2 | SO IT DOESNT become so bloody warm :) |
| 13:07.37 | annma | as I said an applet is such small code |
| 13:07.53 | annma | you won't have many signals |
| 13:07.53 | main2 | well, if i could get hold on a template |
| 13:07.58 | main2 | it would be easy pie :) |
| 13:08.05 | Jucato | <annma> main2: or you use kdevelop template |
| 13:08.05 | annma | a C++ applet template in kdevelop, yes |
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| 13:08.17 | annma | I suggested to you |
| 13:09.05 | annma | C++->KDE->Kicker Applet |
| 13:10.11 | Wood_Warrior | hello, i upgraded kde to 3.5.6, and kmail give "kmail: error while loading shared libraries: libgpgme.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 13:10.44 | annma | Wood_Warrior: the rest works OK? |
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| 13:11.24 | Wood_Warrior | annma the rest of what ? kmail dont work |
| 13:11.31 | annma | the rest of kde |
| 13:11.41 | Wood_Warrior | looks like work for now |
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| 13:11.58 | annma | can you try a new user to see if it also happen? |
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| 13:12.07 | cb400f | Wood_Warrior: which distro? |
| 13:12.13 | annma | if so you'll have to ask your distro channel to reinstall kmail |
| 13:12.16 | Wood_Warrior | slackware 11.0 |
| 13:12.17 | pavi | Hi all |
| 13:12.31 | annma | lots of problems recently with slack |
| 13:12.40 | annma | several users yesterday |
| 13:12.45 | pavi | I want to include my language translations without building KDE from source is it possible ? |
| 13:13.13 | annma | pavi: is your language supported in kde? |
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| 13:13.31 | pavi | That language i18 package is not given |
| 13:13.37 | annma | pavi: the package would be kde-i18n-XX where XX is your language code |
| 13:13.44 | annma | what language? |
| 13:14.07 | pavi | telugu the translations are in progress only a small percentage has been done :( |
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| 13:14.27 | annma | ok you don't have to build KDE itself |
| 13:14.32 | annma | just the telugu translation |
| 13:15.08 | pavi | Should I generate the Mo file ? |
| 13:15.52 | annma | you should get the svn files first |
| 13:16.11 | annma | do you know how to do that? |
| 13:16.32 | pavi | I got the folder te |
| 13:16.39 | annma | only that? |
| 13:16.42 | pavi | for telugu te is the language code |
| 13:17.04 | pavi | Te and messages.mo |
| 13:17.08 | annma | yes but you also need l10n top files and the scripts folder from l10n |
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| 13:17.43 | pavi | annma, where do I get them > |
| 13:17.53 | annma | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/Building_KDE's_l10n_Module |
| 13:17.59 | annma | pavi: ^^ |
| 13:18.03 | annma | follow that |
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| 13:18.23 | pavi | annma, This is the link of language team http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=te |
| 13:18.42 | annma | yes |
| 13:19.40 | pavi | annma, The link you gave is not working |
| 13:19.55 | pavi | can u tell the folder I need to get from SVN |
| 13:19.56 | annma | I was trying to remember |
| 13:20.02 | annma | damn |
| 13:20.13 | annma | what kde version is it for? |
| 13:21.19 | pavi | annma, foor 3.5.5 |
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| 13:21.41 | annma | http://websvn.kde.org/branches/stable/l10n/te/ |
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| 13:21.44 | annma | here |
| 13:22.15 | annma | so svn co -N svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/l10n |
| 13:22.34 | annma | use that please |
| 13:22.44 | pavi | ya after that ? |
| 13:23.03 | annma | as in the link I pasted you |
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| 13:23.33 | annma | do not svn de as you don't need German |
| 13:23.39 | annma | svn co te |
| 13:23.47 | pavi | That link u gave was not working |
| 13:23.49 | annma | no, svn up te |
| 13:23.53 | annma | how? |
| 13:24.08 | annma | it works! |
| 13:24.45 | annma | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/Building_KDE's_l10n_Module |
| 13:24.45 | annma | that link works |
| 13:25.01 | Edgeman-work | confirmed, works here. |
| 13:25.17 | annma | thanks |
| 13:25.39 | pavi | ya annma its working now |
| 13:25.55 | annma | ok replace the svn line by the one I gave you |
| 13:26.13 | annma | use the following one |
| 13:26.18 | annma | svn co -N svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/l10n |
| 13:26.19 | pavi | ok |
| 13:26.30 | annma | instead of the trunk one, OK? |
| 13:26.32 | pavi | ohh ok |
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| 13:26.41 | annma | and don't get the de files |
| 13:26.46 | annma | just |
| 13:26.49 | annma | svn up te |
| 13:27.04 | annma | I have to go |
| 13:27.24 | pavi | ok thanks annma bye |
| 13:27.26 | annma | pavi: if you have problem mail me at annma@kde.org |
| 13:27.36 | annma | I'll help you by mail then, OK? |
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| 13:27.47 | oiaohm | http://www.kdelibs.com/wiki/index.php/Status any one know how correct this page is. |
| 13:27.51 | annma | you tell me what you did and what error you get |
| 13:27.54 | pavi | ya thanks ... sure ... |
| 13:27.54 | roguebug | hey, |
| 13:28.04 | annma | pavi: I am used to build languages |
| 13:28.15 | annma | :) good luck |
| 13:28.19 | oiaohm | There have not been any recent running build at http://public.kitware.com/dashboard.php?name=kde Either |
| 13:28.29 | pavi | annma, you were really very helpful |
| 13:28.38 | oiaohm | Even a failed build show action. |
| 13:29.43 | roguebug | i have a pdf file here that xpdf can display but kpdf can't, and konqueror recognizes as mp3 file (which it's not) |
| 13:32.19 | purplepenguins | that would be weird |
| 13:32.24 | purplepenguins | how could it be an mp3? |
| 13:32.38 | oiaohm | Damaged pdf |
| 13:32.54 | oiaohm | To be more correct crap put on the frount of a pdf. |
| 13:33.11 | oiaohm | xpdf will dig until it finds a pdf marker. |
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| 13:33.22 | oiaohm | kpdf and konqueror don't |
| 13:34.38 | oiaohm | Some evolevation copy pdf exportors do that to attached markers that is a evolevation copy. |
| 13:35.42 | oiaohm | roguebug try this get a normal working pdf take the first 8 chars scan the damaged one to find out where they are. |
| 13:36.03 | oiaohm | Normally up to a 1kb into the file. Due to frount attached crap. |
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| 13:38.03 | roguebug | just had a look at the file with a hex editor. i see the %PDF header further down. at the beginning is some shit about 'wrapster' which, googled up, leads to a website of a program under that name, saying : |
| 13:38.06 | sunru | hi |
| 13:38.17 | roguebug | Wrapster allows for the transformation of any file (programs, videos, etc.) into MP3 format. This allows you to hide your sensitive information in MP3 format, or store them on MP3 storage sites |
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| 13:42.31 | chronos | ahn |
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| 13:43.10 | chronos | I can made Shift+F12 to focus yakuake? because he not in Alt-Tab list and deactive and active he is slower ... |
| 13:44.10 | eisen_ | the default is F12 I believe |
| 13:44.20 | Sho_ | chronos: In the next release the access key will focus the Yakuake window if it's already open but unfocussed |
| 13:44.29 | bxnp | guys is it possible to add rss feeds to the kontact summeray view, and is it allso possible to change the colors of the summary view, in other words are there templates availible |
| 13:44.40 | chronos | Sho_: hum, have some experimental what it? |
| 13:44.49 | chronos | I need much it |
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| 13:45.33 | Sho_ | chronos: You could use the kwin keyboard shortcut to open the window menu on the Yakuake window and use kwin's window shortcut facility |
| 13:45.56 | eisen_ | ah, I understand now. I just hit the key twice if it does not have focus |
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| 13:46.57 | bentob0x | hi, when I CTRL+ALT+D, all windows are minimised and I see my desktop. If I open a text file on my desktop, all open are back at the stage they were before I CTRL+ALT+D. Is it a way to minimise all windows and keep them minimised, no matter what you do? |
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| 13:48.33 | chronos | nice Sho_ |
| 13:48.34 | chronos | thx |
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| 13:50.13 | chronos | nice but lost when I deactive and active it :-\ |
| 13:50.46 | mars^ | Hi i am using Opera and i ma having problems with fonts. On some web pages its good, but on some it is too small. I tried and i changed fonts, but every time it looks the same |
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| 13:51.09 | Jucato | um.. #opera ? |
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| 13:53.55 | mars^ | Jucato: i thought it is more kde problem |
| 13:53.57 | mars^ | Sorry |
| 13:54.07 | Jucato | Opera's not a KDE app though |
| 13:54.20 | Jucato | it's a Qt app, but not KDE |
| 13:54.36 | oiaohm | A comerical Qt application. |
| 13:54.55 | oiaohm | There are a few internal addons using comerical QT as well. |
| 13:55.14 | eisen_ | you could try to run qtconfig and set change fonts there |
| 13:55.28 | eisen_ | don't know if opera would honor those settings though |
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| 13:56.25 | Sho_ | Jucato: Opera doesn't use Qt very much anymore |
| 13:56.40 | Jucato | ah... didn't really check :) |
| 13:56.51 | Jucato | last time I tried to install opera was november I think |
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| 13:59.07 | Edgeman-work | Is there anyone familiar with kmail around? My kmail goes to 100% CPU and stops responding for about 10 seconds every time it checks for new mail. Little annoying if it happens to check for mail while I am trying to type an email. |
| 13:59.54 | Jucato | Edgeman-work: you can try asking in #korganizer |
| 14:00.43 | Sho_ | Why would he ask a question about KMail in the channel for KOrganizer? |
| 14:01.14 | Edgeman-work | I think it's all related to that PIM stuff. |
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| 14:01.59 | Jucato | er sorry |
| 14:02.01 | Sho_ | Edgeman-work: The channel for which would be #kontact |
| 14:02.02 | Jucato | #kontact |
| 14:02.06 | Jucato | my bad :( |
| 14:02.09 | Jucato | really my bad :( |
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| 14:03.49 | Jucato | Edgeman-work, Sho_: really sorry :( |
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| 14:09.28 | Milo- | haha täähä onki fiksun näkönen :> |
| 14:09.53 | Milo- | crap, again wrong channel -_- |
| 14:13.08 | chronos | have some program like knotes, but with transparency support? |
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| 14:13.38 | sketchy | whats the equivalent of sudo for none ubuntu users? |
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| 14:15.55 | chronos | ahauhau ... wheel, sudo |
| 14:16.08 | chronos | sketchy: you know su ? |
| 14:16.36 | chronos | su - login as root, su - user login as user, su -c command execute one command |
| 14:16.43 | chronos | as root |
| 14:16.54 | chronos | su - user -c execute one command as user |
| 14:17.05 | chronos | sketchy: or you install sudo and configure it |
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| 14:21.28 | Milo- | where do i get rid of this? http://meelo.info/upload/daadadadii.png |
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| 14:22.55 | Jucato | Milo-: right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Appearance options -> uncheck Enable mouseover effects |
| 14:23.27 | Milo- | thanks again Jucato :P |
| 14:24.00 | Milo- | but then again it also disables that cute glow :/ |
| 14:24.22 | Milo- | oh there is no gow :> |
| 14:24.23 | Milo- | glow* |
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| 14:34.10 | gioacchino | hello |
| 14:34.22 | gioacchino | anyone knw kcontrol ? |
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| 14:39.01 | gioacchino | anyone know kcontrol ? |
| 14:39.30 | annma | please just ask your question |
| 14:39.57 | annma | as indicated in topic precise KDE version and distribution |
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| 14:40.38 | Jucato | <gioacchino> how to add a system services with kcontrol ? (Kubuntu) |
| 14:40.59 | annma | I was not there |
| 14:41.21 | Jucato | annma: yeah, I'm just pasting :) |
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| 14:41.32 | annma | you cannot add services |
| 14:41.46 | annma | what service do you want to add? |
| 14:42.34 | annma | Jucato: you use ubuntu wikis? |
| 14:43.03 | Jucato | annma: yeah. but I haven't searched for his particular question... |
| 14:43.13 | annma | it's another question |
| 14:43.21 | Jucato | ah ok :) |
| 14:43.30 | annma | when i log in, it brings my page in, how can I go back to the page I was? |
| 14:43.43 | Jucato | oh... hm... |
| 14:43.56 | Jucato | that... I don't know... :( |
| 14:44.09 | Jucato | let me try |
| 14:44.35 | Jucato | annma: wiki.ubuntu.com (or wiki.kutuntu.org) right? or is it the help.ubuntu.com/community site? |
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| 14:45.10 | gioacchino | yes Jucato |
| 14:45.27 | gioacchino | [15:40] <Jucato> <gioacchino> how to add a system services with kcontrol ? (Kubuntu) yes |
| 14:45.42 | Jucato | gioacchino: <annma> you cannot add services |
| 14:46.16 | Jucato | annma: lol! I can't even find a link to logout :/ |
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| 14:47.00 | gioacchino | Jucato: other metod to add system services ? |
| 14:47.23 | Jucato | gioacchino: you have to do it manually I think. it's not very KDE-specific. it's distro specific |
| 14:47.34 | gioacchino | ok |
| 14:47.41 | annma | gioacchino: what service is it? |
| 14:47.52 | annma | usually you start the daemon |
| 14:48.37 | gioacchino | timidity |
| 14:48.48 | gioacchino | and a bridge |
| 14:48.55 | Jucato | annma: <sebas> back button? :-) Then reload to make it know that you're logged in. |
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| 14:49.09 | annma | ah yes |
| 14:49.14 | gioacchino | I want run command at system start ( I use kubuntu ) |
| 14:49.19 | annma | Jucato: booh |
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| 14:50.14 | annma | timidity is a service? |
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| 14:54.01 | mehmet1288 | türk varmı aranızda |
| 14:54.04 | mehmet1288 | ??? |
| 14:54.12 | Jucato | english only please |
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| 14:56.15 | annma | mehmet1288: see, you know it |
| 14:56.20 | annma | no capitals please |
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| 14:58.47 | annma | katafitos: suddenly? |
| 14:59.00 | annma | probably somethign happened |
| 15:00.25 | katafitos | I am not sure if it was suddently but I installed a new service menu couple of days ago and yesterday I noticed that it was missing...(kde 3.5.6 gentoo) |
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| 15:02.04 | annma | oh :( |
| 15:02.10 | annma | take care |
| 15:03.02 | annma | katafitos: what new service menu? |
| 15:03.40 | katafitos | this one... http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=41456 (the manual way) |
| 15:04.18 | annma | does it work? |
| 15:04.31 | annma | is it installed at the pace where compress was? |
| 15:04.31 | katafitos | it works fine.... |
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| 15:05.50 | d00d | Whats the best way to update to latest kde |
| 15:06.20 | annma | use your distribution update tool |
| 15:06.26 | katafitos | annma: yes.. |
| 15:06.39 | annma | latest stable is 3.5.6 d00d |
| 15:06.54 | annma | katafitos: try uninstall it then to see |
| 15:06.59 | annma | make uninstall |
| 15:07.08 | Sho_ | Jucato: see you |
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| 15:07.44 | zwerg | Hi there. |
| 15:08.24 | zwerg | How much space would I need to build KDE 4? |
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| 15:08.41 | annma | zwerg: depends of what you want to build |
| 15:10.16 | zwerg | Hm, let's say qt-copy, kdeaddons and extragear/multimedia. |
| 15:10.27 | annma | qt-copy is 1.4 Gb! |
| 15:10.50 | annma | you need strigi and kdelibs |
| 15:10.55 | annma | for kdeaddons |
| 15:11.05 | annma | are you going to work on kdeaddons? |
| 15:11.36 | annma | qt-copy 1.4Gb is with build files and all |
| 15:11.55 | annma | doing a du in kdelibs |
| 15:12.14 | zwerg | Yes, maybe kdeaddons isn't needed. But I wanted to take a look at strigi. |
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| 15:12.32 | annma | kdeaddons is likely not to work well |
| 15:12.47 | annma | kdelibs is just less than 1Gb |
| 15:13.00 | annma | with built files of course |
| 15:13.07 | annma | not the install, the source dir |
| 15:13.40 | annma | you know ho to build kde4? |
| 15:14.05 | zwerg | I'm using kdesvn-build, shouldn't be that hard ;) |
| 15:14.20 | annma | hmmm, do you use a separate user? |
| 15:14.20 | zwerg | Which module to enable for strigi? |
| 15:14.43 | annma | if you don't use a separate user you need to use scripts to avoid some mess |
| 15:14.54 | annma | strigi is in kdesupport |
| 15:15.05 | annma | you need it before kdelibs |
| 15:15.17 | zwerg | I do use a seperate user, yes. |
| 15:15.29 | annma | ok excellent |
| 15:16.26 | annma | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 might help you |
| 15:16.37 | annma | even if you use kde-svn |
| 15:16.42 | zwerg | Besides strigi I'm of course interested in plasma and fancy stuff ;) Would I see them or am I too early? |
| 15:16.44 | annma | kdesvn-build |
| 15:16.47 | zwerg | Cool, thanks. |
| 15:16.57 | annma | "see" them? too early |
| 15:17.10 | annma | kde4 is still for developers |
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| 15:20.34 | nado | hi guys |
| 15:20.46 | nado | i need a tool to burn iso files, what could i use? |
| 15:21.05 | zwerg | So there are no example plasma applets included? |
| 15:21.18 | zwerg | nado: Tried k3b? |
| 15:21.47 | nado | zwerg: k3b reads only k3b project files, so it didn't work |
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| 15:22.15 | pkt_ | nado: no |
| 15:22.20 | nado | no? |
| 15:22.20 | pkt_ | you can burn iso files with k3b |
| 15:22.32 | nado | how? |
| 15:22.37 | annma | zwerg: not sure if there are yet any plasmoids as they are called |
| 15:22.39 | pkt_ | you just need to select "burn as image" |
| 15:22.52 | annma | sure that k3b burns iso files |
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| 15:23.04 | nado | ah, i got it. but i mean it the other way round |
| 15:23.09 | nado | i have an iso file |
| 15:23.17 | nado | and i want to burn the dvd it contains |
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| 15:23.34 | pkt_ | yep, that 's what we are talking about |
| 15:23.49 | nado | ah i see |
| 15:23.52 | annma | burn as image will make you the DVD |
| 15:24.00 | smileaf | nado: tools -> burn DVD ISO Image |
| 15:24.01 | nado | sorry, the burn AS image confused me |
| 15:24.07 | nado | yup found it ;) |
| 15:24.08 | nado | thanks |
| 15:24.30 | zwerg | nado: You could also burn the image as a file. |
| 15:24.35 | pkt_ | well, it is translated here, which is why I was a bit confusing .. |
| 15:24.46 | pkt_ | (I mean the options are translated) |
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| 15:24.56 | nado | hehe alright now it works, thanks |
| 15:25.07 | pkt_ | np |
| 15:25.55 | zwerg | annma: So the overall appearance won't actually differ from 3.5, right? |
| 15:27.06 | annma | the current overall appearance, no |
| 15:27.13 | annma | except it's buggy as hell |
| 15:27.20 | zwerg | :) |
| 15:27.45 | nado | alright, i'm out. cya |
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| 15:33.23 | XVampireX | Did anyone try smplayer? It's rated pretty high in kde-apps :P |
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| 15:36.59 | tremby | what's the normal way to insert special characters in kde? (in windows i would hold alt and type the code on the keypad) |
| 15:38.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | tremby: I got no idea, but when I need special chars, I just run kcharselect and copy/paste what I need from it |
| 15:38.48 | tremby | problem is, this particular program doesn't honour the global clipboard. i can't paste stuff in. |
| 15:39.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | No idea then. |
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| 15:39.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sorry... maybe someone else knows... |
| 15:39.19 | smileaf | can't even middle click it in? |
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| 15:39.38 | tremby | i'll try |
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| 15:39.57 | Lanken | hmm. I keep losing track of konqueror's cookie alerts. Can I get them to sticky themselves? Is there a global config setting "send all alert messages to all desktops"? |
| 15:40.02 | smileaf | if you need a character like æ or é enable deadkeys |
| 15:40.04 | tremby | no, the middle button does grab-and-scroll |
| 15:40.19 | tremby | smileaf: what's deadkeys? the character i actually need is en-dash |
| 15:40.38 | Lanken | tremby: alt-0150 in windows :\ |
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| 15:41.18 | Lanken | can I enable alt-xywz in kde? |
| 15:41.20 | tremby | Lanken: alt-numbers don't seem to do anything in kde, or at least not for me |
| 15:41.29 | Lanken | tremby: yeah. |
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| 15:41.40 | smileaf | tremby: go to your keyboard layout in kcontrol |
| 15:42.03 | tremby | yeah |
| 15:42.15 | smileaf | tremby: you use your caps lock at all? |
| 15:42.23 | tremby | rarely |
| 15:42.32 | tremby | only for writing long constant names when programming |
| 15:42.33 | smileaf | tremby: I use it as my dead key. |
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| 15:42.54 | smileaf | but you wanna enable xkb options |
| 15:43.07 | smileaf | look for Compose Key Position I guess is now what they call it. |
| 15:43.14 | XVampireX | Actually smplayer is not bad :P |
| 15:43.25 | tremby | "key Compose key position"? |
| 15:43.43 | smileaf | yah |
| 15:43.52 | tremby | and what does that do? |
| 15:43.55 | smileaf | you got several options on what to key to make it. |
| 15:44.26 | Lanken | ok not cool. I've got a qwerty layout somehow |
| 15:44.34 | tremby | smileaf: i don't see where i set up what it should do |
| 15:44.44 | tremby | Lanken: you use dvorak? or some regional variation of qwerty |
| 15:44.52 | smileaf | hit your Compose key then hit 2 characters such as ' and e -> é |
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| 15:45.02 | Lanken | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.08 | smileaf | <3 dvorak |
| 15:45.11 | tremby | Lanken: i use dvorak too |
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| 15:45.22 | tremby | haven't had strain since switching |
| 15:45.48 | smileaf | haven't made so many typos nor strain since switching ;) |
| 15:45.55 | Lanken | I did it to get a girl =D |
| 15:46.01 | tremby | whaaat |
| 15:46.03 | Lanken | but since then it's much less effort to type |
| 15:46.03 | smileaf | and crap! I gotta get out of here.. later! |
| 15:46.14 | tremby | what kind of girl is interested in keyboard layouts...? |
| 15:46.34 | Lanken | the kind that's worth switching layouts for :) |
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| 15:46.57 | tremby | Lanken: why did she want you to switch layouts, and why would that impress her? bizarre! |
| 15:47.18 | Lanken | she didn't *want* me to. She used that other layout, I was curious about it. |
| 15:47.46 | Lanken | it's not unimpressive, really. I don't know about you, but my first few months were really tough. |
| 15:47.53 | Lanken | no, make that first few weeks. |
| 15:47.54 | tremby | Lanken: haha, i see. |
| 15:47.57 | Lanken | it's frustrating. |
| 15:48.35 | tremby | Lanken: actually, i didn't find it that tricky to switch. i was obviously bad at the start, but when i needed speed i just typed in qwerty. otherwise i plodded along in dvorak |
| 15:48.46 | tremby | suddenly i found i was nearly as quick on dvorak, so stuck with it |
| 15:48.58 | tremby | relearning keyboard shortcuts was the hard bit! |
| 15:49.15 | Lanken | tremby: I switched over the course of a couple weeks, forcing myself to use only dvorak. Cold turkey, as it were. |
| 15:49.40 | Lanken | unfortunately advanced vim and emacs are now off-limits for me unless I make/find a good .vimrc |
| 15:49.56 | tremby | smileaf|work: this compose thing is working... i can figure out em-dash (compose hyphen hyphen hyphen) but not en-dash. any idea? |
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| 15:50.23 | tremby | Lanken: i've never sat down and learnt all the vim or emacs things. i'm happy with kate |
| 15:51.12 | Lanken | ok, so how do you use tihs compose key? |
| 15:51.31 | tremby | you press it |
| 15:51.35 | tremby | then press some more keys |
| 15:51.38 | Lanken | huh, mine doesn't seem to be on. |
| 15:51.46 | Lanken | I enabled it in kcontrol but it's not doing anything. |
| 15:51.53 | tremby | did you apply |
| 15:52.02 | Lanken | :)yes |
| 15:52.09 | tremby | hehe |
| 15:52.09 | Lanken | it keeps switching me to qwerty |
| 15:52.12 | tremby | did you choose which key actually is compose? |
| 15:52.18 | tremby | further down the window |
| 15:52.23 | Lanken | I chose capslock |
| 15:52.27 | JohnFlux | Lanken: right click a text box - make sure Simple composing input method is selected |
| 15:52.34 | tremby | and did you tick the other thing right at the top |
| 15:52.40 | Lanken | I didn't do the top one |
| 15:52.52 | tremby | i did, don't know if that's your problem though |
| 15:52.57 | JohnFlux | Lanken: chose alt-gr or something |
| 15:53.02 | JohnFlux | Lanken: at least until you get it working |
| 15:53.03 | tremby | but now if i press caps ' e i get é |
| 15:53.12 | tremby | can't figure out en-dash, still |
| 15:53.13 | Lanken | I think I'm reversing the effect every time I do "setxkbmap dvorak" |
| 15:54.05 | tremby | i couldn't figure out that command for so long and so i had to hunt and peck qwerty for weeks on my uni's computers :) |
| 15:54.30 | Lanken | haha |
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| 15:54.47 | Lanken | Âok I have some compose functionality. |
| 15:54.50 | Lanken | Å“ |
| 15:55.16 | tremby | it's pretty cool. try and figure out en-dash for me! |
| 15:55.22 | tremby | dash dash dash does em-dash |
| 15:55.55 | Lanken | http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/pipermail/scribus/2006-July/018880.html |
| 15:56.21 | Lanken | doesn't seem to work. |
| 15:56.48 | Lanken | -n |
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| 15:58.00 | Lanken | oh, according to wikipedia it should be --. |
| 15:58.06 | Lanken | hyphen, hyphen, period |
| 15:58.09 | Lanken | Â. |
| 15:58.13 | Lanken | not working for me though |
| 15:58.16 | Lanken | Â |
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| 15:59.14 | tremby | – |
| 15:59.16 | tremby | oh awesome |
| 15:59.22 | tremby | cheers Lanken, works for me! |
| 15:59.29 | Lanken | nice. |
| 15:59.45 | Lanken | it ticks me off when people are unsophisticated about typography. |
| 15:59.51 | tremby | this compose key is a very nice feature of X |
| 16:00.09 | Lanken | the keyboard girl was great about that. She was a language-nut too. |
| 16:00.28 | tremby | sounds like a good catch. you say was though, so i'm guessing that's over |
| 16:00.44 | Lanken | yeah, no big deal. We're still close. |
| 16:01.07 | Lanken | do you mind going over your keyboard config with me? I want n-dashes. |
| 16:01.07 | tremby | good to hear. right, i'm freezing and haven't eaten all day, so i'm gonna do something about it. thanks all. |
| 16:01.17 | tremby | oh sure |
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| 16:01.24 | tremby | um, i use the gb variant of dvorak |
| 16:01.43 | tremby | i do caps, hyphen, hyphen, fullstop and i get – |
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| 16:02.26 | Lanken | it's weird, I get Ã¥ with no problems, but Âcaps hyphen hyphen hyphen just gives me - |
| 16:02.54 | Lanken | ÂÂÂand caps hyphen hyphen dot gives me dot |
| 16:03.10 | tremby | do you get a beep from your computerspeaker when you do something it doesn't like? |
| 16:03.15 | tremby | like caps caps |
| 16:03.19 | tremby | i guess it means "compose off" |
| 16:03.29 | Lanken | I don't think I have the kernel module for beeping :\ |
| 16:03.35 | tremby | ah |
| 16:03.45 | tremby | coz it sounds like yours just isn't accepting 3-letter compose things |
| 16:03.59 | tremby | and so it's switching off compose mode and leaving you with the last key you press |
| 16:04.20 | Lanken | what does your "command" say for Xkb Options? |
| 16:04.31 | Lanken | mine says "setxkbmap -option ctrl:ctrl_aa,compose:caps" |
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| 16:05.39 | Lanken | on the Xkb tab of Keyboard Layout in kcontrol |
| 16:05.39 | tremby | mine says just setxkbmap -option compose:caps |
| 16:05.44 | tremby | what's the ctrl:ctrl_aa bit of yours? some other option |
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| 16:06.10 | Lanken | I think it's for ctrl key in bottom left, which may have been redundant. |
| 16:06.10 | tremby | oh control and caps lock switch |
| 16:06.33 | Lanken | yep, it was redundant. |
| 16:06.46 | tremby | so does a 3 key compose work now? |
| 16:06.50 | Lanken | ÂÂnope :\ |
| 16:07.04 | tremby | don't know what to suggest |
| 16:07.22 | Lanken | yeah, I'll try reading up on it. |
| 16:07.24 | Lanken | thanks for the help |
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| 16:07.54 | tremby | i'm gonna see to getting food and warmth |
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| 16:12.35 | Kyral_Laptop | mkay time to checkout KDE source |
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| 16:22.13 | vincekg | Hello, i'm currently programming a KDE panel applet, and i've a little question if someone could help me : |
| 16:22.33 | annma | kde 3.5 tehn? |
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| 16:22.36 | annma | then |
| 16:22.39 | vincekg | yes |
| 16:23.10 | sebbar | hi, how do I draw a rectangle with square corners in krita? |
| 16:23.27 | vincekg | When i do a modification in the code, i do make uninstall; make install , in order to test the changes |
| 16:23.42 | annma | sebbar: #koffice and specify krita version thanks |
| 16:23.56 | sebbar | annma: ok tnx |
| 16:24.02 | annma | vincekg: you can restart kicker maybe |
| 16:24.07 | vincekg | and, when i load the applet, it remain the same ... Maybe is because the panel applet is a .so |
| 16:24.24 | vincekg | and the shared object stay in memory |
| 16:25.15 | annma | and there's the applet proxy totest your applet |
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| 16:25.53 | vincekg | Thanks annma ..., kill kicker and lauch it again works . I were sure i've already tested that. |
| 16:26.00 | annma | $ appletproxy --help |
| 16:26.00 | annma | Usage: appletproxy [Qt-options] [KDE-options] desktopfile |
| 16:26.11 | annma | that should help as well |
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| 16:27.06 | vincekg | ok, i will test appletproxy too, maybe it's better than kill kicker everytime ! |
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| 16:30.21 | cbr | omg i found out reading the kde4 articles that kde has a task manager and ctrl-esc brings it out :p |
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| 16:39.16 | vincekg | cbr : nice shortcut, i havn't noticed that before ! |
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| 16:55.44 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, serious problem in KDE's settings thing, printer section. How do I delete a printer? |
| 16:56.03 | Digital_Pioneer | I mean seriously guys, this is idiotic! I shouldn't have to ask IRC how to delete a printer! |
| 16:57.02 | Sho_ | Right-click and select "Remove"? |
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| 16:57.41 | Digital_Pioneer | That would make sense, wouldn't it? |
| 16:57.46 | Digital_Pioneer | If only there was such a button. |
| 16:57.55 | Sho_ | I have one *shrugs* |
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| 16:58.21 | Sho_ | Perhaps you don't have permissions. Click the "Administrator Mode" button in the lower-left, enter your admin password, try then. |
| 16:58.26 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, I do to. On all the printers I want to KEEP. |
| 16:58.38 | Digital_Pioneer | But on the one I want to get rid of? Nooooooo! |
| 16:59.07 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, here's the kicker. Local printers are removable, not remote ones. |
| 16:59.51 | bobbin | Hey there, how come "svn://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/" doesn't work in Konqueror ? |
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| 17:00.10 | mariux | konq has svn ioslave? |
| 17:00.51 | Kyral_Laptop | mariux: Via KDE-SVN |
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| 17:01.46 | mariux | then i guess bobbin is missing that |
| 17:02.01 | bobbin | mariux: I'll check.. |
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| 17:02.23 | Sho_ | bobbin: Use anonsvn.kde.org, svn.kde.org is only for developer account |
| 17:02.26 | Sho_ | *accounts |
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| 17:04.58 | yacoob | Hi. |
| 17:05.19 | yacoob | Where should environment variables definitions be placed in order to have them set up as soon as KDE starts up? |
| 17:05.25 | Kyral_Laptop | huuu? |
| 17:05.27 | bobbin | thanks Sho_, mariux. svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/ works now. |
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| 17:05.45 | Sho_ | yacoob: Anything in ~/.kde/env will be sourced on startup |
| 17:05.53 | Hoki_Workin | hometime \o/ |
| 17:06.10 | yacoob | Sho_, ~/.kde/env file? |
| 17:06.19 | Sho_ | yacoob: It's a folder. Put files in it. |
| 17:06.25 | yacoob | standard sh syntax? |
| 17:06.28 | Sho_ | yacoob: yup |
| 17:06.32 | yacoob | (I don't have such folder, thus asking :) |
| 17:06.51 | Sho_ | yacoob: Time to create it, then |
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| 17:07.28 | yacoob | VAR=val is ok, or export matters too? |
| 17:07.35 | yacoob | (allright, I'll use the source... :) |
| 17:07.54 | Kyral_Laptop | Use the Source Luke |
| 17:08.33 | yacoob | # Source scripts found in <localprefix>/env/*.sh and <prefixes>/env/*.sh |
| 17:08.33 | yacoob | # (where <localprefix> is $KDEHOME or ~/.kde, and <prefixes> is where KDE is installed) |
| 17:08.37 | yacoob | # |
| 17:08.40 | yacoob | ...voila. If everything would be that easy :D |
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| 17:20.30 | yacoob | so, I have https://launchpad.net/bugs/94615 resolved - but only for one user. Sigh. |
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| 17:28.00 | _Johny | Hello everyone -:). Where I can find the KDE theme menager? |
| 17:28.43 | annma | in KControl |
| 17:28.58 | _Johny | annma: Hi |
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| 17:29.06 | annma | hi _Johny |
| 17:29.40 | _Johny | annma: Do you know how is it called? |
| 17:29.57 | annma | let me look |
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| 17:34.26 | annma | kcmshell kthememanager |
| 17:34.26 | annma | will run it |
| 17:34.26 | annma | not sure what your question exactly means |
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| 17:35.02 | matkor | Hi ! Is it possible to add sftp:// adress to "remote places" so I can easily access that location from any KDE open file dialog ? TIA |
| 17:35.25 | neumaennl | for some reason the icons in the toolbar of KDE applications are not the size they are set to in kcontrol and changing there size there has no effect - any ideas what I could do to change the size of the toolbar icons? |
| 17:35.25 | _Johny | I just wanted to try to switch my KDE theme. I found some on KDE look, but really don't know where the "Install new themes" button is.. |
| 17:36.17 | neumaennl | _Johny: Alt+F2 kcontrol |
| 17:36.59 | _Johny | neumaennl: thank you but where's the button? |
| 17:37.38 | neumaennl | I use german kde so I don't know what it is called in eglish or whatever language you have |
| 17:37.57 | neumaennl | something like look and feel |
| 17:38.10 | _Johny | well it must be easy to find... |
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| 17:39.07 | Arael | Hello everyone. Does KDE have a dictionary application? |
| 17:39.08 | _Johny | another question , will be stupid ..but - does The KDE theme menager installs by default? |
| 17:39.17 | annma | Install New Theme is the button |
| 17:39.28 | annma | under the list of already present themes |
| 17:39.42 | _Johny | Arael: As far as I know, there's aspell |
| 17:39.59 | annma | _Johny: what is your distro? |
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| 17:40.11 | annma | some distros don't install it all |
| 17:40.14 | _Johny | Kubuntu KDE 3.5.6 |
| 17:40.15 | Arael | I mean like dictionary application for English-German dictionary etc. |
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| 17:40.25 | annma | well they strip KControl |
| 17:40.34 | annma | ask in #kubuntu |
| 17:40.51 | _Johny | annma: Of course annma. Thank you |
| 17:41.04 | Alethes | kcontrol is still available for kubuntu |
| 17:41.06 | annma | and yell at them if they don't install it |
| 17:41.26 | annma | Alethes: I was told it is not with all modules |
| 17:41.45 | Alethes | I have it and everything's there as far as I can remember compared to other distros |
| 17:41.46 | _Johny | Arael: try to look at the education section on "www.kdeapps.orf" |
| 17:41.53 | Arael | If KDE would have dictionary application we could export our dictionaries into it. |
| 17:42.04 | annma | Alethes: so you have the theme manager? |
| 17:42.05 | _Johny | Arael: sorro www.kdeapps.org |
| 17:42.09 | Alethes | annma: yep |
| 17:42.13 | annma | Alethes: _Johnycannot find it |
| 17:42.20 | Alethes | I'm on mandriva (shudder) at work |
| 17:42.25 | Alethes | but at home I use kubuntu |
| 17:42.26 | Arael | We have many free dictionaries: http://dicts.info/index2.php |
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| 17:43.30 | annma | _Johny: in kcontrol |
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| 17:44.07 | Arael | If the dictionary application would be able to import XML dictionaries - KDE users would have access to all our dictionaries. |
| 17:44.16 | annma | no, _Johny open Konsole |
| 17:45.15 | annma | and type kcmshell --list |grep theme |
| 17:45.27 | annma | paste the result please |
| 17:46.36 | _Johny | annma: the results --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11535/ |
| 17:47.07 | annma | so you have it |
| 17:47.15 | annma | in kcontrol |
| 17:47.35 | annma | minus the X errors you get |
| 17:47.42 | _Johny | Now I suppose so.. |
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| 17:47.50 | _Johny | What do they mean? |
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| 17:48.49 | _Johny | I always get them when I want to launch an X application. The apps do launch, though. |
| 17:48.51 | annma | no idea |
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| 17:51.00 | rabauke | hello! Anyone using the kde4 packages from the opensue repo? |
| 17:51.34 | katafitos | annma: I uninstalled the specific service menu but the Compress didn't show up. However for the last week I experience a suddent stop on services: KDED cookie jar module and all services die suddently... |
| 17:52.05 | katafitos | Am I breaking up? |
| 17:52.37 | annma | yes |
| 17:52.47 | annma | I never have such problems |
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| 17:53.16 | katafitos | Any fix suggestion?? |
| 17:53.47 | annma | no idea at all |
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| 17:54.39 | katafitos | Furthermore when I close many tabs in konqueror really fast with the middle click, it crashes... |
| 17:54.45 | Arael | I have found some dictionary applications on kde-apps.org but very few users download them - would it be possible to make a dictionary application which would be part of KDE? |
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| 17:55.40 | rabauke | anyone can apply to be integrated into KDE, the app just has to be good enough. |
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| 17:56.07 | rabauke | And I think KDE4 will have some language-engine anyway, which in the long run will also be able to translate |
| 17:56.39 | annma | Arael: see what is done for Sonnet for KDE4 |
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| 17:57.03 | annma | and propose what you feel is needed |
| 17:57.10 | rabauke | sonnet was the name, exactly ;) |
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| 17:57.51 | Arael | Who decides if the application is good enough? What are the criteria? |
| 17:58.03 | annma | Arael: the community |
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| 17:58.15 | annma | but Sonnet is a lib, not an app |
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| 17:58.32 | Arael | yes we need an app which is very easy to use and works |
| 17:58.45 | annma | we need something that all apps use |
| 17:58.56 | annma | KMail, KWord ... |
| 17:59.02 | Arael | KDictionary |
| 17:59.24 | annma | we use aspell and ispell frontends |
| 17:59.30 | Sho_ | The Dictionary in OS X is really nice |
| 17:59.34 | Arael | yes but they do not translate |
| 17:59.35 | annma | and whatever there exists |
| 17:59.51 | Arael | We have dictionaries for more than 30 world languages |
| 17:59.54 | annma | <Arael> I have found some dictionary applications on kde-apps.org but very few users download them - would it be possible to make a dictionary application which would be part of KDE? |
| 18:00.02 | annma | dictionaries or translations?* |
| 18:00.04 | Sho_ | Arael: http://ktranslator.sourceforge.net/ is good |
| 18:00.14 | annma | Arael: you are not clear enough |
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| 18:00.37 | Arael | If KDE users would say hey we want dictionary application! We would create it for you. |
| 18:01.40 | Arael | But it would work if it would be part of KDE - or else only like 5 users would use it - the time invested in the development would be lost. |
| 18:01.58 | annma | define your dictionary application for a start |
| 18:02.09 | Sho_ | Arael: Many of KDEs most popular applications are not part of KDE, btw |
| 18:02.09 | annma | explain |
| 18:02.09 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: Who cares if only 5 people use a piece of software you write? |
| 18:02.12 | Lanken | The "clear" and "enter" buttons in konqueror, around the address bar, are pretty excellent. |
| 18:02.12 | Arael | Me |
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| 18:02.15 | Sho_ | annma: Something like OS X' Dictionary or KTranslator |
| 18:02.22 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: As long as it makes ONE person happy I am glad |
| 18:02.34 | Arael | ONE is not enough ;-) |
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| 18:02.43 | Kyral_Laptop | "This software is offered in the hope that it will be useful" - The GPL |
| 18:02.45 | Arael | We always try to go for 90% of users ;-) |
| 18:02.55 | Lanken | I'd like to see buttons for clicking integrated into all text widgets, like in this mockup http://www.princeton.edu/~wglennie/mockup.png |
| 18:02.58 | Sho_ | Who is "we" |
| 18:03.20 | Sho_ | Lanken: KLineEdit has an in-line clear button in KDE4 |
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| 18:03.25 | annma | Arael: we don't understand who you are and what you want |
| 18:03.34 | Kyral_Laptop | We are Open Sourcers |
| 18:03.38 | czarnas | hi |
| 18:03.42 | Lanken | Sho_: meaning...exactly what I just proposed is happening? |
| 18:04.08 | annma | people in KDE do it because they feel there's a need, they don't do statistics beforehand |
| 18:04.08 | Kyral_Laptop | We are those who code for the good of mankind |
| 18:04.08 | Arael | "We" like the people who made this many dictionaries for you http://dicts.info/index2.php ;-) |
| 18:04.08 | Sho_ | Lanken: Yes |
| 18:04.08 | czarnas | i have problem with kdeinit |
| 18:04.10 | Lanken | Sho_: I'd also like for the buttons to disappear when the mouse is idle. Is that a good idea? |
| 18:04.15 | Sho_ | Arael: Have you clicked the KTranslator link I gave you by now? |
| 18:04.17 | annma | Arael: link to who you are? |
| 18:04.23 | Kyral_Laptop | (Actually half the time I write something to prove to myself that I can write it) |
| 18:04.34 | annma | Kyral_Laptop: that's the spirit |
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| 18:04.51 | annma | and then the prog gains users |
| 18:04.58 | Kyral_Laptop | Does the world need Yet Another Text Editor? NOPE! But I haven't proven to myself that I can write one |
| 18:05.20 | Kyral_Laptop | (Actually that would be a good name for one...YATE) |
| 18:05.20 | czarnas | can anybody help me ?? |
| 18:05.33 | Lanken | no, it's a pretty crappy name :\ |
| 18:05.40 | Kyral_Laptop | Lanken: lol |
| 18:05.44 | Arael | I am founder of http://dicts.info and I am working on the Universal dictionary system |
| 18:05.45 | Lanken | czarnas: do you have error output? |
| 18:05.52 | czarnas | yes |
| 18:05.56 | Kyral_Laptop | Lanken: You've never seen my THERuSH :P |
| 18:06.02 | czarnas | could not init your kdeinit |
| 18:06.06 | Kyral_Laptop | (The Highly Experimental Ruby SHell) |
| 18:06.44 | Kyral_Laptop | (You can get it from RubyGems, therush) </Shameless Plug> |
| 18:07.06 | Lanken | you're right about one thing. YATE is a better name than that. |
| 18:07.16 | Kyral_Laptop | See I find it amusing :D |
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| 18:08.17 | Lanken | if you're going to make a text editor, make a clone of Textmate |
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| 18:08.23 | Lanken | apparently some people really like it. |
| 18:08.50 | Arael | The biggest problem is that we have the data and KDE users do not have a dictionary application to use them yet. |
| 18:09.18 | Sho_ | Arael: Then add support for your dictrionary format to KTranslator |
| 18:09.21 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: What format (and LICENSE) are your dictionaries in |
| 18:09.40 | Arael | We use .txt , .csv , .xml and .xdxf |
| 18:10.01 | Kyral_Laptop | And License? |
| 18:10.09 | czarnas | yhhh |
| 18:10.12 | Arael | We have special licence for our data because GPL does not protect our data like we want. |
| 18:10.14 | Sho_ | KTranslator supports Dictd, StarDict, Sdictionary, Babylon and plain text |
| 18:10.56 | czarnas | i have error with kdeinit |
| 18:11.02 | czarnas | and black screen |
| 18:11.08 | czarnas | can anybody help ?? |
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| 18:11.28 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: Is it GPL complient? |
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| 18:12.48 | Arael | Our licence is very short and very clear - GPL is about 20x longer legal stuff. |
| 18:13.09 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: That didn't answer my question :P |
| 18:13.25 | Arael | Most important thing is that the data is available and users can use it if they have dictionary application ;-) |
| 18:13.40 | Kyral_Laptop | Actually the License is important |
| 18:13.53 | Kyral_Laptop | To an Associate Member of the FSF |
| 18:14.09 | Arael | GPL, FDL, CC, public domain etc do not mix - many problems because of that on wiki |
| 18:14.10 | tuxick | wasn't there a kde frontend for some ocr? maybe gocr? |
| 18:14.16 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: They don't even link the license from their main page ... seems shady, the project |
| 18:14.20 | Sho_ | tuxick: Kooka |
| 18:14.23 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: I agree |
| 18:14.24 | tuxick | Sho_: cheers |
| 18:14.39 | Lanken | Sho_: I was just looking for the license. |
| 18:14.43 | Lanken | Arael: link? |
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| 18:14.54 | Arael | download a dictionary - licence is in each file |
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| 18:15.21 | Kyral_Laptop | Sorry pal, I only work on projects with GPL-Compliant or OSI approved licenses |
| 18:15.45 | Arael | our dictionary applications for windows are osi approved and are under GPL |
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| 18:16.19 | Kyral_Laptop | Application = One Thing |
| 18:16.24 | Kyral_Laptop | Data = Other Thing |
| 18:16.29 | Arael | exactly! |
| 18:16.32 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Their dictionary license appears to be "This file is for personal use only. You may not distribute this file." |
| 18:16.41 | Kyral_Laptop | Yah no thanks |
| 18:16.43 | Kyral_Laptop | Sorry pal |
| 18:16.47 | Sho_ | yup, that's that |
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| 18:18.49 | Arael | Yes these are the rules - only way to make sure there are no outdated copies of our data everywhere - our system is updated very frequently. |
| 18:19.14 | Kyral_Laptop | Then why make them like that? |
| 18:19.43 | Kyral_Laptop | You don't need a restrictive license to do that |
| 18:19.50 | Kyral_Laptop | Look at ASpell and ISpell |
| 18:20.05 | Lanken | Arael: you could have gpl compliance if you just included a warning that the file was likely out of date and a url to get a new one. 'this file was generated on $date. For a new one, visit $url' |
| 18:20.15 | Sho_ | Disallowing redistribution is the wrong approach, though. The way to achieve that people get updates from you is to keep your quality, do promotion and build your reputation, not silly licenses that turn people off. |
| 18:20.23 | Kyral_Laptop | Or even seperate the app from the data |
| 18:20.26 | Arael | We need all users to download data from our system not from site which is dead 5 years and has our files on it. |
| 18:20.34 | Arael | Yes app has to be separated from data. |
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| 18:20.41 | Kyral_Laptop | You underestimate package managers :P |
| 18:20.56 | Arael | We are talking about hundreds of dictionaries for more than 50 languages - many GBs of dictionaries. |
| 18:21.03 | Kyral_Laptop | Your point? |
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| 18:21.28 | Kyral_Laptop | How many TB worth of data is in the Fedora repos? |
| 18:21.34 | Arael | My point? If KDE would have dictionary application KDE users could use our dictionaries - simple ;-) |
| 18:21.37 | Kyral_Laptop | Let alone Gentoo, Arch, Debian, Ubuntu |
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| 18:21.44 | Kyral_Laptop | and who knows what else |
| 18:22.10 | Sho_ | Arael: Still ignoring that KTranslator link, hm? |
| 18:22.17 | Arael | looks like dead project |
| 18:22.44 | Arael | dead project = not good (our data is updated every few minutes) |
| 18:22.54 | Sho_ | Arael: It's free software and works. Resurrect it. Add support for your dictrionary format. Get it into KDE Extragear or something. |
| 18:22.59 | Kyral_Laptop | And you expect people to update that often? |
| 18:23.02 | Sho_ | Less talk, more action |
| 18:23.24 | Kyral_Laptop | Actually....co-opting the code for the Get Hot New Stuff thing would work nicely no? |
| 18:23.40 | Kyral_Laptop | or the code that updates the Kate Syntax files |
| 18:23.54 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: KTranslator is already capable of doing lookups on standard DICT servers, for example |
| 18:24.02 | Arael | I ask a lot of questions before I invest time into something. To prevent loss of time and having application which 5 users use ;-) |
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| 18:24.17 | Kyral_Laptop | ....why did I just get deja vu? |
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| 18:25.02 | Arael | You are KDE experts you can answer all my questions regarding KDE dictionary applicatin right? |
| 18:25.14 | Kyral_Laptop | We aren't experts |
| 18:25.17 | Kyral_Laptop | At least no me |
| 18:25.26 | Kyral_Laptop | I'm just a Hacker |
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| 18:25.37 | Kyral_Laptop | Who happens to prefer KDE for his GUI needs |
| 18:25.38 | Arael | I am sure there are KDE gurus here somewhere! :D |
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| 18:25.54 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: We are opposed to your license on the data :P |
| 18:25.57 | Lanken | Sho_: is the closest thing you'll find. |
| 18:26.08 | Lanken | errr Sho_ is the closest thing you'll find. |
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| 18:26.15 | Kyral_Laptop | (And I'm opposed to your attitude of "Only 5 people will use it, psh!") |
| 18:26.16 | Arael | And we are opposed to having our work under GPL which is useless for us. |
| 18:26.36 | Sho_ | Well or annma or thiago or any of the other devs who are here |
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| 18:26.44 | Kyral_Laptop | how is it useless? |
| 18:27.05 | Kyral_Laptop | If people want to run outdated data, it ain't my fault |
| 18:27.12 | Lanken | Sho_: I wonder where pinotree is. |
| 18:27.15 | Arael | over 8 million users from all over the world used our system in several months - why spend long time for 5 users? |
| 18:27.30 | Sho_ | Lanken: Hopefully having more fun ;) |
| 18:27.32 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: Because it would make 5 more people happy |
| 18:27.49 | Arael | how about the 6 billion other guys - they also need attention |
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| 18:28.36 | Arael | We could forget about linux users but we do not forget you. That is why I am here now talking to you. |
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| 18:29.24 | Sho_ | Arael: Your logic is flawed, anyway. Up there you derived the number of users from the number of downloads on KDE-Apps, failing to realize that most Linux users receive applications from their distribution, not as source tarball (or binary package) from KDE-Apps.org. |
| 18:29.27 | Lanken | Arael: I'm really surprised that outdated editions worry you so much. Paper dictionaries don't have but one new edition a year. |
| 18:29.48 | Arael | GPL is for great software - but for data it is useless |
| 18:29.51 | Kyral_Laptop | I'm not one to represent the rest of the Open Source community, but in my opinion, making people happy with my code is my goal |
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| 18:30.02 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: Software is just data :D |
| 18:30.30 | Arael | "outdated" - is the worst nightmare - if you modify one word all dictionaries containing this word change - 50% of the dictionary can change in few hours |
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| 18:31.04 | Kyral_Laptop | ....unless you are diffing, I see no problem... |
| 18:31.09 | Lanken | Arael: that's great, but what's the likelihood that I needed the word that changed? something like one in 10000? |
| 18:31.13 | Sho_ | .oO (Curious how I can use my 30 years old English dictrionary just fine without it resulting in malignant dreams) |
| 18:31.25 | Kyral_Laptop | I don't even OWN a dictionary.... |
| 18:31.35 | r3factored | what is the scim input method? |
| 18:31.38 | Arael | can you translate from Spanish to Japanese with it? |
| 18:31.52 | Kyral_Laptop | Actually I know a little of both so yes :P |
| 18:31.55 | Lanken | r3factored: it's the simple common input method input method :) |
| 18:31.59 | Lanken | r3factored: I'm using it. |
| 18:32.16 | r3factored | Lanken: what does it do for you? is that the default? |
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| 18:32.23 | Arael | We have the dictionaries covering all combinations of 50 world languages - we are talking about (50*49)/2 dictionaries thanks to our Universal dictionary system |
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| 18:32.58 | Sho_ | Which is lovely, but not a valid counter-point to Lanken's argument |
| 18:32.59 | Lanken | r3factored: it's...I installed it in a very painful process. I eventually gave up, then discovered that it was *sort of* working. |
| 18:33.14 | Kyral_Laptop | Besides, the differences in lexical structure between Romance languages and Japanese is so vast that a straight shot translation using a dictionary would only solve maybe half the problem |
| 18:33.38 | Lanken | r3factored: all in all it's not one of the best experiences I've had with GNU/linux. |
| 18:33.39 | Arael | And it takes one small application and KDE users can use them all in their favourite desktop environment ;-) |
| 18:33.42 | Kyral_Laptop | ...whoa I just had one of those "I had no idea I knew that" moments |
| 18:34.17 | Sho_ | What it comes down to is that your license is restrictive because you are control freaks, while free software is about intentionally giving up some control, recognizing that it's better for the users in the long run. |
| 18:34.26 | r3factored | Lanken: what does it do? how is it different than xim? |
| 18:34.33 | Kyral_Laptop | We write the app if you change the license, how do you have more work to do than us? |
| 18:34.47 | Lanken | r3factored: I never used xim. I can enter chinese characters with scim, which is a good thing. |
| 18:34.50 | Sho_ | So you'll have a hard time convincing people who do get the free thing of the necessity. |
| 18:34.59 | Arael | Our project is all about language eduction available free of charge. And could not work with GPL. |
| 18:35.15 | Kyral_Laptop | I fail to see how |
| 18:35.17 | Lanken | Arael: which part though? |
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| 18:35.29 | r3factored | Lanken: AHA ok so its for multilanguage stuff. |
| 18:35.38 | Lanken | Arael: you prevent people from marketing your materials by offering them for free. |
| 18:35.41 | Lanken | r3factored: yep. |
| 18:35.50 | r3factored | cool thanks |
| 18:35.52 | Arael | Did you have to pay to download the dictionary? ;-) |
| 18:36.02 | Kyral_Laptop | Your point? |
| 18:36.07 | Kyral_Laptop | Freedom != Price |
| 18:36.26 | Kyral_Laptop | Freedom == Free as in speech |
| 18:36.29 | Arael | GPL = outdated copies of our files everywhere - no thanks |
| 18:36.42 | Kyral_Laptop | And how is that your problem? |
| 18:36.43 | Sho_ | Arael: If you want one of the KDE dictionary applications to support your dictionary format, contact their authors and convince them, or directly contribute the relevant code to one of them. |
| 18:37.03 | Kyral_Laptop | As long as you make the updated files available then it ain't your problem |
| 18:37.15 | Lanken | Arael: I don't think you got me. If your objection to the GPL is "people can sell copies of our dictionaries" then you need to prevent them from doing so by offering them for free. |
| 18:37.25 | Kyral_Laptop | Jeez, do you KNOW how many systems are still running 2.2 kernels or KDE 2? |
| 18:38.03 | Lanken | Kyral_Laptop: that's a bigger problem for the kernel than for the dictionary. |
| 18:38.27 | Kyral_Laptop | Lanken: Actually I know a guy who intentionally runs a 2.4 kernel |
| 18:38.35 | Kyral_Laptop | (Damn Small Linux does as well) |
| 18:38.37 | Lanken | 2.4 there are reasons for that. |
| 18:38.51 | Arael | Progress made so far: 1000 users downloaded dictionary app from kde-apps, no native KDE app, Ktranslator could import the data - but how many users use ktranslator? Can ktranslator become native KDE app? |
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| 18:39.48 | Sho_ | Arael: "No native KDE app"? |
| 18:39.49 | Kyral_Laptop | Again you come back to how many users... |
| 18:39.58 | Arael | yes |
| 18:40.17 | Sho_ | KTranslator is a native KDE app |
| 18:40.47 | Lanken | Arael: I'm not too clear on what it is to be a native KDE app. If you mean all sexy and complete, like Konversation, you've misapprehended how things reach that status. |
| 18:40.48 | JohnFlux | maybe he means in the kde svn repos |
| 18:40.48 | JohnFlux | rather than on sourceforge |
| 18:40.49 | Kyral_Laptop | Technically anything programmed with the KDE Bindings is a "native KDE app" |
| 18:40.52 | Arael | I could develope Universal dictionary system only for myself - but I put it online so everyone can use it - even KDE users if they have dictionary application which can import our files ;-) |
| 18:41.07 | Sho_ | (And again: Most Linux users receive applications from their distributions, not from KDE-Apps.org, so the number of source code downloads on KDE-Apps.org doesn't correlate to number of users.) |
| 18:41.17 | Arael | I mean like KDE app as part of KDE installed by default |
| 18:41.27 | Kyral_Laptop | On which distro? :P |
| 18:41.42 | Kyral_Laptop | Only kdelibs and kdebase are needed for a KDE install |
| 18:41.43 | Sho_ | Arael: The applications that are installed by default vary between Linux distributions. |
| 18:41.47 | Arael | The more users have access to free dictionaries the better right? |
| 18:41.54 | Sho_ | Your dictionaries are not free. |
| 18:42.01 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: Then why the restrictive license? |
| 18:42.07 | JohnFlux | Arael: the dictionaries are free in price, but not Free right? |
| 18:42.18 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Their license forbids redistribution |
| 18:42.25 | JohnFlux | ah |
| 18:42.35 | Kyral_Laptop | And frankly if I did write this app, I'd IMMEADIATLY port it to GTK to the XFCE and GNOME boys could use it |
| 18:42.35 | JohnFlux | no distro will ship them then |
| 18:42.35 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Which would include derivative works |
| 18:42.39 | JohnFlux | obviously |
| 18:42.46 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: That's *why* they have the restrictive license, they want to keep central control |
| 18:42.47 | Arael | Our dictionaries are free - as in: Costing nothing |
| 18:42.52 | Arael | We do not try to make dictionaries that are alive or can fly :D |
| 18:42.53 | Kyral_Laptop | Yah |
| 18:42.56 | Lanken | Kyral_Laptop: ah! scary caps |
| 18:42.57 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: They're not getting the free / giving up control thing ;) |
| 18:43.01 | Kyral_Laptop | that not our definition |
| 18:43.08 | Kyral_Laptop | Free as in Freedom |
| 18:43.16 | Kyral_Laptop | Not Free as in Beer |
| 18:43.18 | JohnFlux | okay |
| 18:43.30 | JohnFlux | Arael: practical talking .. |
| 18:43.37 | JohnFlux | Arael: I think you'll want to talk to the sonet guys |
| 18:43.57 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Sonnet is something else |
| 18:44.19 | JohnFlux | Sho_: spell checking, grammar checking, syllable counting, etc |
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| 18:44.24 | Kyral_Laptop | And wouldn't still be illegal to write something like that under the GPL? |
| 18:44.29 | Kyral_Laptop | Unless data files != binding |
| 18:44.33 | JohnFlux | Sho_: translation seems to fit in |
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| 18:44.38 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Sonnet is a spell- and grammar-checking framework. He wants a dictionary frontend. There are several he could contribute to, but he doesn't want to for inexplicable reasons. |
| 18:44.42 | Arael | Only way to make the system work with hundreds of dictionaries is to make sure some wise guys do not copy the data and say hey I made this dictionary and place the outdated copy everywhere - believe it or not - guy started to sell our dictionaries with his application for mobile phones. We we did not like that at all. GPL is useless. |
| 18:44.53 | irule | what packages do I need to install to support smb in konqueror? |
| 18:45.00 | Kyral_Laptop | CC-BY-SA |
| 18:45.25 | Lanken | Arael: the GPL forbids that. They can't claim to have made it. (can they?) |
| 18:45.33 | Kyral_Laptop | Lanken: I don't believe so |
| 18:45.40 | JohnFlux | Arael: you are talking about the data files right, not the software? |
| 18:45.40 | Kyral_Laptop | but the CC-BY-SA does |
| 18:45.44 | Sho_ | Lanken: Copyrights shan't be removed, no |
| 18:45.56 | Kyral_Laptop | (Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike) |
| 18:46.08 | Arael | GPL, FDL & friends are useless for data - I told you like 10x - everyone can do everything with the data if it is under these bad licences! |
| 18:46.17 | Sho_ | Arael: And they should be able to |
| 18:46.33 | Sho_ | Welcome to free software ;) |
| 18:46.40 | JohnFlux | Arael: there's a CC wizard on the CC website |
| 18:46.42 | Kyral_Laptop | Welcome to Open Source |
| 18:46.47 | Lanken | Arael: your versions will be the most current, and hence the best. Therefore you'll always be winning. |
| 18:46.48 | JohnFlux | Arael: you pick what you want people to be able to do with the data |
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| 18:46.59 | JohnFlux | Arael: and it will tell you the best CC license. maybe check that out? |
| 18:47.15 | Arael | Yes I know CC - also useless |
| 18:47.30 | Arael | cannot use data under different licences etc - wiki has trouble because of CC |
| 18:47.30 | JohnFlux | Arael: okay, data license aside |
| 18:47.34 | Kyral_Laptop | Oy...someone get this guy a copy of The Cathedral And The Bazaar |
| 18:47.46 | Sho_ | In any case, we're going in circles. Advertisement for a dictionary project and discussion of its license are madly off-topic here, anyway. If you have concrete questions about KDE, ask, if not, let's stop it here. |
| 18:47.49 | Arael | You started the licence talk! :D |
| 18:48.02 | Kyral_Laptop | I did, because its important |
| 18:48.18 | JohnFlux | Arael: anyway, pick up ktranslator or something, and perhaps port to kde4 |
| 18:48.30 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: We already told him |
| 18:48.36 | Arael | Oki I got some info. I will try to contact ktranslator guys. Thank you for your time. |
| 18:48.46 | Kyral_Laptop | He is only concerned with the number of users |
| 18:48.52 | JohnFlux | Arael: it won't ever be added to the kde svn if it relies on non-Free data alone |
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| 18:49.06 | JohnFlux | Arael: but lots of distros will ship it anyway |
| 18:49.10 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Well, KTranslator supports a variety of dictionary formats, some free, some not |
| 18:49.10 | JohnFlux | Arael: if it's good and works well etc etc |
| 18:49.34 | JohnFlux | hmm |
| 18:49.46 | JohnFlux | Arael: maybe you could use that to your advantage |
| 18:49.57 | Sho_ | Arael: Getting an application into a KDE module is fairly straight-forward: Make it, make it good, submit it for review. |
| 18:50.29 | Kyral_Laptop | Oh JohnFlux did you ever look at that C++ lib for parsing /proc/diskstats? |
| 18:50.35 | Sho_ | Arael: In the case of KTranslator I expect it just wasn't ever submitted for inclusion by the author. Talk with him about that. If he has abandoned it, take over. |
| 18:50.35 | Arael | "make it" - is about 100 hours of work - very high risk - I do my research first over here ;-) |
| 18:50.55 | JohnFlux | 100 hours work is high risk? |
| 18:51.01 | Arael | HELL YES! |
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| 18:51.09 | JohnFlux | oh wait yeah i guess 3 weeks |
| 18:51.09 | Lanken | is this a hobby? |
| 18:51.09 | JohnFlux | heh |
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| 18:51.12 | Arael | Try to pay developer working 100 hours |
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| 18:51.31 | Kyral_Laptop | You think anyone is paid to work on KDE? |
| 18:51.43 | Kyral_Laptop | (Aside from those employed by KDE e.V) |
| 18:51.43 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Quite a few are, most are not |
| 18:51.45 | PhilRod | quite a few people are |
| 18:51.49 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: KDE e.V. has no employees |
| 18:51.58 | Kyral_Laptop | I stand corrected |
| 18:52.04 | JohnFlux | Arael: I'll port ktranslator to kde4 and get it working for just a few thousand dollars if you want |
| 18:52.05 | Kyral_Laptop | but you knew what i was getting at |
| 18:52.13 | JohnFlux | get it working with your data sources |
| 18:52.21 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: People who are employed to work on KDE are usually on the payroll of a distro or a software company with a vested interest |
| 18:52.22 | thiago | Trolltech is paying 3 people to work on KDE, 2 of them part-time. |
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| 18:52.29 | Arael | exactly - everything is possible for few thousand dollars ;-) |
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| 18:52.33 | Kyral_Laptop | You knew what I meant |
| 18:52.36 | cycom | Can anyone suggest a good panel app for load monitoring? I have two cores, and I want to see the load for each, my ram usage, and my network usage. I'm on gentoo 2006.1. |
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| 18:52.44 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: I'd do it for free if you changed the license... |
| 18:52.55 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Yes, but as an e.V. member I wanted to correct the depiction of it |
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| 18:53.04 | PhilRod | Kyral_Laptop: sure we do, but it's useful to be clear about things like, oh, what Sho_ aid |
| 18:53.05 | PhilRod | said* |
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| 18:53.07 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: I apoliogize |
| 18:53.15 | Lanken | cycom: is the ksysguard applet insufficient? |
| 18:53.24 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: I'd do it for fun honestly |
| 18:53.34 | thiago | there was one case of a developer being paid by a person (not a company) to work on KDE |
| 18:53.44 | JohnFlux | Kyral_Laptop: I haven't even looked at the code yet :( I'm sorry. |
| 18:53.44 | Kyral_Laptop | Bounty probably |
| 18:53.47 | cycom | Lanken: I don't like the way that it handles the CPU load graphs. I was hoping for a more...elegant solution. |
| 18:53.52 | Kyral_Laptop | JohnFlux: SOkay |
| 18:54.07 | Lanken | cycom: what in particular? The default look is pretty butch. |
| 18:54.15 | JohnFlux | Kyral_Laptop: I have several other patches to add as well :( |
| 18:54.27 | cycom | Lanken: the graph lines never seem to come out correctly |
| 18:54.30 | Arael | Are there guys who are really important in KDE? Who leads KDE? |
| 18:54.44 | Kyral_Laptop | JohnFlux: Like I said sokay, there is a WebSVN server for it at http://cosi-svn.sclab.clarkson.edu/ |
| 18:54.52 | Lanken | cycom: what do you mean? |
| 18:54.56 | Kyral_Laptop | petermcv -> DiskStats |
| 18:55.00 | JohnFlux | cycom: I fixed some bugs with the graph lines in the latest kde 3 release |
| 18:55.13 | cycom | JohnFlux: what's the version number? |
| 18:55.20 | JohnFlux | Arael: thiago is to blame for lots of things |
| 18:55.22 | Sho_ | Arael: KDE is a meritocracy. People who do a lot and do it well are being listened to the most. |
| 18:55.26 | Kyral_Laptop | ...actually does anyone "lead" KDE? |
| 18:55.30 | JohnFlux | cycom: 3.5.6 |
| 18:55.37 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Consensus does ;) |
| 18:55.39 | JohnFlux | thiago: :-) |
| 18:55.42 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: SCORE!! |
| 18:55.44 | thiago | Kyral_Laptop: there's no one, single person. |
| 18:55.50 | JohnFlux | Sho_: we've never had a consensus! |
| 18:56.00 | Kyral_Laptop | thiago: It should be something like whoever has the most lines of code in SVN :P |
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| 18:56.08 | cycom | JohnFlux: Ah, I've got 3.5.5. I'll see about updating to .6. I'll have to unmask it. |
| 18:56.14 | cycom | JohnFlux: I'll take a look though :) |
| 18:56.17 | cycom | Thanks! |
| 18:56.25 | JohnFlux | cycom: worth doing - I fixed tons of bugs for .6 |
| 18:56.32 | Kyral_Laptop | Actually I should look at getting an account |
| 18:56.48 | Kyral_Laptop | I'm going to take it upon myself to add ToolTips for anything that needs'em |
| 18:56.54 | Lanken | JohnFlux: huh. I've been using .5.5 with no problems. What does ksysguard do wrong? |
| 18:57.01 | thiago | Kyral_Laptop: we'd be bowing to a script then :-) |
| 18:57.05 | Kyral_Laptop | lol |
| 18:57.18 | Kyral_Laptop | I shall replace you with a very small shell script! |
| 18:57.30 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: .6 still doesn't cope with the two temperature sensors in my CPU :( |
| 18:57.32 | thiago | scripty isn't very small... |
| 18:57.38 | JohnFlux | Lanken: if your machine ever crashes, then ksysguard on the task bar thing won't work again |
| 18:57.40 | Kyral_Laptop | thiago: it was a joke :P |
| 18:57.51 | thiago | in fact, it's so big that it doesn't have comments in order to keep the memory footprint smaller. |
| 18:57.53 | Lanken | JohnFlux: 0,o ever? |
| 18:58.07 | JohnFlux | Lanken: not until you upgrade :-D |
| 18:58.18 | JohnFlux | or you type in magic words |
| 18:58.27 | Arael | thiago: I hear you are the boss of KDE. Nice work! |
| 18:58.29 | Kyral_Laptop | ...thats a bigass script... |
| 18:58.47 | Sho_ | Arael: KDE has no bosses. |
| 18:58.57 | JohnFlux | get back to work |
| 18:59.02 | Kyral_Laptop | lol |
| 18:59.09 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Fix my sensors bug! :P |
| 18:59.14 | Kyral_Laptop | lol |
| 18:59.19 | thiago | Arael: don't believe everything you hear. |
| 18:59.21 | JohnFlux | Sho_: what does it do wrong? |
| 18:59.24 | Kyral_Laptop | Ah I love the open source world :D |
| 18:59.43 | Arael | Every project has to have leaders and people responsible to getting work done - or else it does not work. |
| 18:59.53 | Kyral_Laptop | says who? |
| 18:59.53 | Arael | * for |
| 18:59.55 | Sho_ | Arael: KDE is a meritocracy. People who do a lot and do it well are being listened to the most. |
| 19:00.04 | Kyral_Laptop | Projects have leaders |
| 19:00.12 | Kyral_Laptop | but there is no true head of KDE |
| 19:00.31 | Kyral_Laptop | JohnFlux: is the maintainer for KSysGuard for example. He is responsible for it |
| 19:00.36 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: I have an Intel Core 2 CPU which has two temperature sensors, one per core. The coretemp kernel driver reports both properly through lm_sensors, but only one shows up in KSysGuard. |
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| 19:01.14 | JohnFlux | Sho_: why's that? :-) |
| 19:01.26 | Arael | in the real world all projects have leader, responsibility, budget, time schedule, goal, competences etc - you know the boring stuff about which managers talk ;-) |
| 19:01.32 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: That's for you to find out ;). What debug data would you need? |
| 19:01.42 | thiago | Arael: well, KDE is quite real. |
| 19:01.47 | Kyral_Laptop | This isn't the real world you know. This is the Bazaar |
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| 19:02.31 | JohnFlux | Arael: we meet up once a year ish and vote on manager-ish stuff |
| 19:02.35 | Arael | whole wiktionary has bad design and no leader - does not work. I told them I could fix their system if they give me server for development - they do not have development server ;-) |
| 19:03.06 | Arael | projects without leaders and responsibilities do not work |
| 19:03.15 | JohnFlux | Arael: well kde works |
| 19:03.18 | Arael | things cannot be random |
| 19:03.18 | annma | ah? what about KDE then? |
| 19:03.20 | Sho_ | Arael: People who carry responsibility in a project like KDE do because they assume it on their own, not because of titles |
| 19:03.20 | JohnFlux | Arael: so screw you :P :-D |
| 19:03.22 | Kyral_Laptop | Or GNOME |
| 19:03.24 | Kyral_Laptop | or Vim |
| 19:03.26 | Kyral_Laptop | or Arch |
| 19:03.30 | thiago | Arael: KDE has not had a leader for... 10.5 years. |
| 19:03.38 | Kyral_Laptop | Or <insert Open Source Project here> |
| 19:03.43 | Lanken | Arael: you didn't like it when someone used your dictionaries and profited from it. If they'd been GPLed or likewise free, he would have had to include the GPL with them, so at least he couldn't be taking credit for your work |
| 19:03.52 | annma | Arael: you should TRY doing somethign for KDe instead of saying non sense |
| 19:04.19 | annma | sharing is the future |
| 19:04.29 | JohnFlux | Arael: for scale, this week alone has seen 225 developers working on the main parts of kde |
| 19:04.36 | annma | I mean that globally |
| 19:04.41 | Arael | There is whole library of theory proving I am right ;-) |
| 19:04.41 | JohnFlux | Arael: over 2200 commits |
| 19:04.58 | annma | Arael: but then your theories don't apply here |
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| 19:05.06 | JohnFlux | Arael: and there's kde in front of you that proves you are wrong :-) |
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| 19:05.11 | thiago | Arael: and there are real cases proving you wrong. |
| 19:05.15 | annma | we don't want your theories |
| 19:05.28 | thiago | Arael: when theory fails in the practice, the theory must be revised. |
| 19:05.28 | JohnFlux | Arael: it only takes one counter example to show a flaw in a theory |
| 19:05.42 | Kyral_Laptop | Proof by CounterExample |
| 19:05.49 | Kyral_Laptop | Assume P(x) is true |
| 19:05.59 | Kyral_Laptop | then find a case for which P(x) Isn't true |
| 19:06.02 | Kyral_Laptop | done :P |
| 19:06.04 | Lanken | Kyral_Laptop: let's do another one by induction next ;) |
| 19:06.12 | Kyral_Laptop | NOOOO!! |
| 19:06.17 | Kyral_Laptop | NOT INDUCTION!! |
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| 19:06.32 | Kyral_Laptop | Proof By Act Of God :P |
| 19:06.37 | Lanken | oops, I broke the channel. |
| 19:07.13 | thiago | Kyral_Laptop: my Electrical Circuits professor had a "God's Law": God created all capacitors discharged. |
| 19:07.19 | Kyral_Laptop | lol |
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| 19:08.57 | JohnFlux | Sho_: how do I view lm sensors? |
| 19:09.01 | Kyral_Laptop | sensors :P |
| 19:10.02 | Lanken | offtopic :P |
| 19:10.27 | JohnFlux | Sho_: I only have 1 core cpu temperature |
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| 19:10.33 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: As Kyral_Laptop says ... run "sensors" |
| 19:11.01 | JohnFlux | Sho_: yeah done that |
| 19:11.01 | JohnFlux | Sho_: I only see one reading for myself :-) |
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| 19:11.02 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Then maybe you don't have a dual-core CPU, or not a CPU with two sensors, or not a driver that supports both |
| 19:11.10 | JohnFlux | send me a dual core machine |
| 19:11.16 | JohnFlux | and I'll fix your bug :P |
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| 19:11.37 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: http://rafb.net/p/L2mcwD60.html |
| 19:12.02 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: I have a feeling KSysGuard gets confused by both being "temp1" |
| 19:12.14 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: But then I have no idea how KSysGuard interacts with lmsensors. Do you as its maintainer? ;) |
| 19:12.36 | JohnFlux | I don't know how anything in ksysguard works |
| 19:12.43 | Kyral_Laptop | ...... |
| 19:12.46 | Kyral_Laptop | ........... |
| 19:12.49 | JohnFlux | I do random patches until it mostly compiles |
| 19:13.29 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: http://www.eikehein.com/ksysguard-sensors.png |
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| 19:13.54 | Lanken | Sho_: speaking of eikhein.com...when is ffn coming? |
| 19:14.23 | Lanken | s/eikhein/eikehein |
| 19:14.30 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: It manages to properly seperate per driver (coretemp for the sensors in the CPU itself, w83627dhg for the Winbond chip on the mobo), but only shows one temp for coretemp |
| 19:14.45 | Sho_ | Lanken: Dunno ... on hold until I find time :) |
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| 19:15.15 | Arael | What is the biggest challenge for KDE now? What is the next big thing in KDE? |
| 19:15.23 | Kyral_Laptop | KDE4 :P |
| 19:15.34 | Lanken | Arael: it's dictionaries, internationalization and translation. |
| 19:15.56 | Lanken | Arael: we're just looking for a multilingual dictionary with a good license :\ |
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| 19:16.06 | Sho_ | evil, evil Lanken ;) |
| 19:16.06 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:16.06 | Arael | Lanken: If it would be truth we could help you a lot ;-) |
| 19:16.13 | HardDisk_WP | is kde available for windows? |
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| 19:16.22 | Kyral_Laptop | Not yet |
| 19:16.24 | thiago | HardDisk_WP: no |
| 19:16.25 | Kyral_Laptop | KDE4 will be |
| 19:16.27 | Sho_ | Arael: Presently we're hard at work getting KDE 4.0 done, the next generation of the environment. |
| 19:16.32 | HardDisk_WP | cool |
| 19:16.36 | thiago | HardDisk_WP: nor will it be. KDE 4 applications may run on it. |
| 19:16.39 | Lanken | HardDisk_WP: http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.com |
| 19:16.44 | thiago | but KDE itself (KDE/Workspace) won't be ported. |
| 19:16.49 | Kyral_Laptop | Ah it won't |
| 19:16.55 | Kyral_Laptop | but stuff like Konq? |
| 19:17.03 | Sho_ | Emphasis on "may" because it's definitely not a release target. |
| 19:17.10 | HardDisk_WP | <-- runs debian...i only heard something about using kde instead of normal win explorer |
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| 19:18.15 | Lanken | HardDisk_WP: damn, that url was wrong. It should be http://goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 19:18.17 | Lanken | :\ |
| 19:19.05 | Arael | How is it with the C# for linux - does it work? |
| 19:19.14 | thiago | Arael: ask in #mono |
| 19:19.27 | Lanken | Arael: kde could certainly benefit from better internationalization, actually. At least, the one brush I've had with internationalization wasn't really a great experience. |
| 19:19.43 | Sho_ | How are Richard's C# bindings to Qt/KDE called again? Kimono? Kimondo? |
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| 19:19.52 | thiago | Kimono |
| 19:19.52 | vdepizzol | what's the default sound lib in kde? gstreamer? |
| 19:19.57 | Arael | If C# would work in KDE I could port our C# app in few minutes. |
| 19:19.59 | thiago | vdepizzol: Phonon |
| 19:20.00 | Kyral_Laptop | ALSA |
| 19:20.06 | Lanken | Arael: skim, which enables me to type chinese, is very strangely integrated into my system. I dare not change anything because I don't know why it's working and I'd rather it not stop. |
| 19:20.06 | Sho_ | vdepizzol: In KDE3 it's aRTs, in KDE4 it's Phonon. |
| 19:20.11 | Kyral_Laptop | eww ARTS!! |
| 19:20.14 | thiago | Arael: then waste no time: use Kimono. |
| 19:20.19 | HardDisk_WP | Lanken, LOL! |
| 19:20.24 | vdepizzol | thiago: obrigado :) |
| 19:20.28 | Kyral_Laptop | I still dig Ruby/KDE's name |
| 19:20.33 | Kyral_Laptop | "Korundrum" |
| 19:20.42 | rdale | korundum |
| 19:20.43 | Sho_ | Now if only one could dig the language, too |
| 19:20.50 | Kyral_Laptop | :P |
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| 19:21.28 | Lanken | I wonder if kontraband.com ever gets mistaken for a kde project. |
| 19:21.50 | Sho_ | The KDE Smuggling Manager? |
| 19:21.50 | Sho_ | :) |
| 19:21.52 | Arael | thiago: kimono looks very nice! if it really works it will be great! |
| 19:22.21 | rdale | well kimono is the kde bit which isn't done yet, the qyoto qt-only part is going quite well though |
| 19:22.24 | thiago | I've seen Kernel services like kseriod, kacpid, kswapd0, etc., be mistaken for KDE applications. |
| 19:22.26 | Sho_ | Arael: It's not a thing of a few minutews, however. You still have to port it to the Qt/KDE toolkit from whatever you're using on Windows if you want it to be a KDE app. |
| 19:22.58 | Sho_ | thiago: Well, clearly "Kernel" is a KDE project too |
| 19:23.01 | Arael | Sho_ : app has very simple gui should be easy to import |
| 19:23.07 | Sho_ | Arael: yup |
| 19:23.20 | vdepizzol | thiago: is phonon something related with any specification on freedesktop.org? |
| 19:23.25 | rdale | qyoto has qt designer support with a uics xml to c# compiler for it |
| 19:23.26 | thiago | vdepizzol: no |
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| 19:23.36 | thiago | vdepizzol: Phonon is an all-KDE project. |
| 19:23.40 | annma | the problem witth translators is that people would like to translate sentences, not just words |
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| 19:24.01 | vdepizzol | thiago: but it uses ALSA, right? |
| 19:24.01 | annma | words can be quickly done on the internet especially in konqueror |
| 19:24.12 | thiago | vdepizzol: indirectly, yes |
| 19:24.19 | vdepizzol | thiago: ok. thank you :) |
| 19:24.22 | Sho_ | vdepizzol: Phonon is a thin abstraction layer above pluggable backends, such as xine or GStreamer |
| 19:24.23 | annma | I type fr2en: word and my word is translated |
| 19:24.25 | thiago | vdepizzol: the proper support depends on the Phonon backend. |
| 19:24.29 | Sho_ | vdepizzol: It supports whatever the backends support |
| 19:24.38 | thiago | vdepizzol: it can use OSS and other sound systems, provided the backends support them. |
| 19:24.51 | Arael | KDE and Gnome users are like 50:50 ? Or is KDE used by more users? |
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| 19:24.58 | Sho_ | Arael: It |
| 19:25.01 | annma | Arael: no one knows |
| 19:25.06 | thiago | Arael: what annma said |
| 19:25.15 | annma | besides choice is good |
| 19:25.24 | Sho_ | Arael: It's a matter of geography. More Gnome users in the US, more KDE users everywhere else. At the end of the day there are probably more KDE users. |
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| 19:25.43 | Sho_ | (is my unscientific impression) |
| 19:25.52 | Kyral_Laptop | Oh god...he's gonna decide based on which has more users... |
| 19:25.55 | annma | Arael: did you se what I wrote earlier? the problem witth translators is that people would like to translate sentences, not just words |
| 19:26.03 | Lanken | Sho_: most of my friends don't like GNOME, but some of them use it anyway. |
| 19:26.05 | thiago | Sho_: does that mean that at noon there are more GNOME users and we reach parity around 6 pm? :-) |
| 19:26.14 | Sho_ | thiago: :-D |
| 19:26.29 | Lanken | Sho_: (in the US) |
| 19:26.39 | Arael | annma: no one figured a program to translate texts into another language in 100 years - it is not a piece of cake! :D |
| 19:26.47 | Arael | * figured out |
| 19:26.50 | Sho_ | Certainly there's a substantial amount of KDE users in North America too, yeah |
| 19:26.52 | Kyral_Laptop | Rosetta Stone :P |
| 19:27.01 | annma | translating words is not interesting |
| 19:27.06 | Kyral_Laptop | (Granted its not Free by any stretch) |
| 19:28.24 | Sho_ | The reason for the geographical thing is that KDE got started in Europe and Gnome in America, so it's a matter of local promotion and infrastructure |
| 19:28.47 | Sho_ | Although both projects are massively international in nature, of course |
| 19:29.17 | Arael | Is KDE4 better than vista? |
| 19:29.22 | thiago | Arael: no |
| 19:29.27 | JohnFlux | Arael: no |
| 19:29.27 | thiago | Arael: KDE 4 doesn't exist yet. |
| 19:29.27 | Kyral_Laptop | Linux is better than Vista :P |
| 19:29.33 | thiago | therefore, it can't be better than something that does. |
| 19:29.41 | Arael | oh |
| 19:29.51 | Kyral_Laptop | KDE != OS |
| 19:29.54 | Sho_ | (KDE 4 is in development) |
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| 19:30.02 | Lanken | GNU/linux has a lot of advantages over Windows, and there are a lot of really annoying things about Vista. |
| 19:30.09 | annma | Linux is always better than Windows as Linux ships with apps |
| 19:30.16 | JohnFlux | thiago: not quite true |
| 19:30.25 | r3factored | vista just sucks - i used it for a week and cleaned it off - went back to linux |
| 19:30.28 | Lanken | annma: Linux ships? |
| 19:30.29 | Kyral_Laptop | annma: Ever see LFS or Arch or Gentoo? |
| 19:30.32 | JohnFlux | thiago: carrot and banana cake is better than death |
| 19:30.34 | Sho_ | But KDE 3 already has various capabilities that Vista lacks |
| 19:30.38 | annma | a friend of mine could not believe her eyes that Linus had a DVD burner and all that |
| 19:30.38 | Arael | linux has the "my favourite programs do not work in linux" (R) factor |
| 19:30.43 | JohnFlux | thiago: whether or not the cake actually exists or not |
| 19:30.51 | Sho_ | Arael: So has Windows for me ;) |
| 19:30.54 | thiago | JohnFlux: dude, that's weird logic :-) |
| 19:30.56 | annma | Kyral_Laptop: I speak about normal end users here |
| 19:30.58 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: Have you ever used Linux? :P |
| 19:31.00 | annma | not geeks |
| 19:31.02 | PhilRod | JohnFlux: cake or death? |
| 19:31.09 | Kyral_Laptop | annma: I know I was being an arseclown |
| 19:31.10 | JohnFlux | PhilRod: exactly |
| 19:31.22 | Lanken | Sho_: apart from better interface customizability, what are the killer features of kde? There are some killer apps, to be sure. |
| 19:31.22 | annma | besides "ship" means "is available with" |
| 19:31.29 | JohnFlux | I'd chose cake, even if it didn't exist |
| 19:31.30 | Kyral_Laptop | Konq :D |
| 19:31.32 | Kyral_Laptop | K3b |
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| 19:31.34 | Kyral_Laptop | AmaroK |
| 19:31.34 | Sho_ | Lanken: KIO and DCOP, for example |
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| 19:31.51 | annma | Lanken: KDE-Edu for teachers and family, a unique set of edu effort |
| 19:32.05 | Kyral_Laptop | K3b and AmaroK are two apps I keep hearing Windows users wanting on Windows |
| 19:32.08 | Lanken | annma: every windows install I've ever seen had MS Paint and Notepad. |
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| 19:32.09 | JohnFlux | Sho_: konversation! |
| 19:32.13 | Arael | Yes I used linux like 5 years ago - spend a lot of time reading docs because of some errors - then I stopped debugging errors and reading docs - saves a lot of time ;-) |
| 19:32.17 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: :) |
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| 19:32.39 | JohnFlux | actually I would put konversation as a killer feature of kde |
| 19:32.39 | JohnFlux | mirc sucks |
| 19:32.45 | Kyral_Laptop | Irssi! |
| 19:32.46 | Sho_ | Arael: It has come very long way in the last five years |
| 19:32.48 | Kyral_Laptop | ;P |
| 19:32.52 | r3factored | k3b and amarok are truely great apps |
| 19:32.58 | Sho_ | Arael: Get a Kubuntu LiveCD or something and check it out |
| 19:33.03 | JohnFlux | and ksysguard! |
| 19:33.05 | annma | anyone can now install Linux and I meet lots of people who do |
| 19:33.06 | JohnFlux | yay! |
| 19:33.06 | Kyral_Laptop | Or Knoppix |
| 19:33.09 | r3factored | Sho_: you got that - I still remember Red Hat 5!! |
| 19:33.14 | Sho_ | Knoppix has an ugly desktop though |
| 19:33.18 | Kyral_Laptop | Slackware 10... |
| 19:33.23 | Lanken | JohnFlux: konversation really hits the spot for me. Opera's IRC client showed me that irc can look good, but you can't customize the look. |
| 19:33.25 | Sho_ | Kubuntu is nicer to get a feeling for it |
| 19:33.29 | Kyral_Laptop | Welcome to my first Linux experiance |
| 19:33.44 | Kyral_Laptop | Slack10 :P |
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| 19:33.49 | Lanken | Sho_: why not push pardus? |
| 19:33.52 | Sho_ | My first Linux experience was Corel Linux in '99 |
| 19:33.55 | Arael | I know it took like 3 years before mousewheel on my mouse started working. Why is that? Mousewheel is VERY useful. |
| 19:33.57 | Kyral_Laptop | What's pardus? |
| 19:33.59 | JohnFlux | Sho_: especially as the beautified konversation :-D |
| 19:34.04 | JohnFlux | Sho_: *they |
| 19:34.05 | Sho_ | Lanken: Because I have no personal experience with it |
| 19:34.25 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: No, they broke Konversation badly ... but oh well |
| 19:34.55 | Lanken | Kyral_Laptop: a newish distro with a very advance package manager that also happens to ship kde as the default |
| 19:35.03 | Kyral_Laptop | ooo? |
| 19:35.05 | Kyral_Laptop | Link |
| 19:35.07 | Sho_ | Arael: Dunno. My mousewheel works fine. |
| 19:35.19 | Sho_ | It's a Turkish government-sponsored project |
| 19:35.27 | Sho_ | (Pardus, that is, not my mousewheel) |
| 19:35.39 | r3factored | Lanken: how does pardus package management compare with gentoo? |
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| 19:36.01 | Lanken | r3factored: I don't know the details. Someone was promoting it earlier in here. |
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| 19:36.09 | Kyral_Laptop | Or Apt-Get (Although I use Arch now I still consider Apt the golden standard for package mangers) |
| 19:36.12 | Arael | Sho_: Yes now it works - but it took like 3 years before it started working - 3 year delay after it worked in windows. |
| 19:36.21 | r3factored | wow i need to check that distro out |
| 19:36.24 | JohnFlux | Sho_: I know, i was winding you up |
| 19:36.48 | pinotree | i remember that advertising distros in NOT welcome here |
| 19:37.17 | Sho_ | Arael: Well, Windows had a lot of mousewheel issues initially, too, because none of their toolkits supported it natively and vendor-specific mouse drivers had to hack it in. Which often didn't work reliably with some applications. |
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| 19:37.37 | Sho_ | I remember fighting with Logitech's Windows driver for hours |
| 19:37.59 | r3factored | Arael: you are wanting to be conviced to use linux - thats why you are here. Dont worry man, we've all been there and had to just say 'to hell with the world' - take the red pill and go with linux. |
| 19:38.09 | Lanken | Kyral_Laptop: here's the distrowatch review of pardus http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070115 |
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| 19:38.41 | pinotree | Lanken: STOP about talking about distros |
| 19:38.44 | pinotree | thanks |
| 19:38.55 | Kyral_Laptop | pinotree: Its my fault, I asked for a link |
| 19:39.02 | r3factored | Lanken: its GENTOO based! |
| 19:39.05 | Sho_ | It's a KDE-centric distro that employs KDE people ... |
| 19:39.06 | r3factored | awesome |
| 19:39.19 | pinotree | do you know that exist private channels, right? |
| 19:39.23 | LiquidNerd_ | Sho_: ssshhhh... logic doesn't make sense here |
| 19:40.06 | r3factored | pinotree: why?! not much going on here anyway |
| 19:40.15 | pinotree | that's not an excuse |
| 19:40.19 | Sho_ | IMO distro banter is okay if it's about what distros ship nice KDEs or support KDE well |
| 19:40.27 | r3factored | good Lord - we arent saving lives here |
| 19:40.35 | pinotree | this is #kde, NOT #my-best-distro |
| 19:40.47 | r3factored | OK everyone play the quiet game. |
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| 19:40.58 | pinotree | bah |
| 19:41.03 | Arael | Nice to see you make progress. I will drop in again in few years to see how you are doing ;-) |
| 19:41.20 | Lanken | Sho_: where can I read about which distros have broken Konversation? you haven't got a blog entry on that, have you? |
| 19:41.28 | Sho_ | Who knows, maybe you'll even have fixed your license by then ;) |
| 19:41.39 | Sho_ | Lanken: I did update the Konvi website with a warning about Kubuntu earlier today |
| 19:41.50 | Kyral_Laptop | hmm this pardus sounds interesting...its in English right... |
| 19:42.10 | Lanken | Kyral_Laptop: it comes with KDE. |
| 19:42.14 | Sho_ | Lanken: Other than that, Kanotix once managed to ship a badly broken SVN checkout as "0.19", but that was in 2005 ... don't know of any other snafus atm |
| 19:43.18 | Kyral_Laptop | hmm PiSi sounds like RPath and Foresight's Corony |
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| 19:46.03 | Arael | Oh now I get it - if you want data under GPL so badly we can make dictionaries with small subset of translations of original files (covering only meanings defined by basic English). It will not trouble us if someone spreads outdated list of few hundred translations. |
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| 19:46.25 | Kyral_Laptop | Its a start... |
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| 19:46.50 | annma | Arael: ? |
| 19:47.10 | annma | I don't think you get it at all |
| 19:47.35 | Kyral_Laptop | Or you could open it up. Have "Approved Translators" (kinda like Debian's Maintainers or Arch's Trusted Users) who are allowed to upload corrections and additions |
| 19:47.44 | Kyral_Laptop | annma: Its okay, its a start |
| 19:47.49 | Lanken | Arael: we just want to be sure that your work doesn't go to waste, or our work, if we contribute. If you get hit by a truck, we need to be able to continue the project. |
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| 19:48.05 | dpc | hi; I'm experiencing key lockups in KDE without any reason; I was already here and bram85 gived me advice but it did not work; any ideas? |
| 19:48.13 | Kyral_Laptop | Distro? |
| 19:48.17 | dpc | s/key/keyboard/ |
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| 19:49.06 | dpc | my distro? Arch |
| 19:49.16 | Kyral_Laptop | Good on you P |
| 19:49.27 | dpc | :D |
| 19:49.29 | Kyral_Laptop | Damnit still not used to this keyboard |
| 19:50.06 | dpc | here is the thread about this bug (i'm not the only one that experiences it): http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=30430 |
| 19:50.13 | Arael | Lanken: No work is lost - but you cannot directly edit the system without validation of trusted editor because there are so nice people out there that inserted mess into our system on purpose - now system is read only because of these nice guys. |
| 19:50.40 | Lanken | Arael: I'm not saying you should make it a wiki. |
| 19:50.49 | Kyral_Laptop | Something like Subversion |
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| 19:51.21 | PhilRod | dpc: there's a bug report for amarok freezing the keyboard |
| 19:51.30 | PhilRod | see bugs.kde.org - try "query existing reports" |
| 19:51.32 | dpc | PhilRod: I know - this is not it |
| 19:51.43 | Kyral_Laptop | Actually SVN would solve the update problem too |
| 19:51.55 | dpc | last time I was here I was told about that, but there have to be something else |
| 19:52.02 | PhilRod | dpc: why? |
| 19:52.04 | Kyral_Laptop | Anon R/O access for updates |
| 19:52.13 | Lanken | Arael: do whatever you want to control the version that you release. But you've got to open it up to distribution by others. |
| 19:52.21 | Kyral_Laptop | and R/W access for Certified/Trusted people |
| 19:52.23 | dpc | I'm experiencing this keyboard lockups with amarok turned on |
| 19:52.56 | Kyral_Laptop | embed Subversion in the app...and have it update upon starting (assuming Net access) |
| 19:52.57 | Lanken | Arael: one result of this is that you start having to compete with yourself (anyone can improve on your work and start promoting that), which is maybe stressful but it's good for the project and the world. |
| 19:52.59 | Kyral_Laptop | Done |
| 19:53.02 | Arael | Lanken: "Distribution" of data in our project means either stealing the data or spreading outdated versions of files. |
| 19:53.13 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: Look at what I just typed |
| 19:53.18 | Kyral_Laptop | I solved your problem |
| 19:54.03 | Lanken | Arael: you can forbit "stealing" under a GPL-compatible license. |
| 19:54.08 | Lanken | *forbid |
| 19:54.27 | Kyral_Laptop | If someone goes in and messes it up, you can rollback with Subversion |
| 19:54.47 | Lanken | Arael: unfortunately, changing your document and making it available with changes is not stealing. |
| 19:55.29 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: Tell me that doesn't solve your problem |
| 19:56.10 | Arael | Yes there will be net update - in next version of windows apps. You have to convince me that it is worth it to spend time porting app for linux users - it has to be more than 5 users. Imagine small city using our system every day - 5 users is too small group of people in the city. We focus on the whole city not on these 5 guys. |
| 19:56.22 | Kyral_Laptop | We can't tell you |
| 19:56.41 | Kyral_Laptop | And like we have said, if you change the license on the data we will write the app |
| 19:56.51 | Arael | Is it a deal? |
| 19:57.14 | Kyral_Laptop | I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it is something I would accept |
| 19:57.27 | Kyral_Laptop | Granted I don't write GUIs at the moment |
| 19:57.31 | Lanken | Arael: linux users don't necessarily need a gui app to benefit from your porject though. |
| 19:57.40 | Kyral_Laptop | true |
| 19:57.50 | Arael | I will release subset of all dictionaries under GPL if you make working KDE app able to import XML files. |
| 19:57.59 | Lanken | I mean, I can do "cat en-zh_dict | grep flaccid" and get an answer |
| 19:58.08 | Arael | yes grep works |
| 19:58.15 | Kyral_Laptop | Isn't there already at least 2 xml parsers in KDE? |
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| 19:58.20 | Arael | but how many guys out there like to use console - I know like 2 |
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| 19:58.57 | Kyral_Laptop | You don't know many Linux users :P |
| 19:58.58 | Arael | 95% use windows - 2% apple, 2% *nix |
| 19:58.58 | Lanken | Arael: if it's faster than a gui, why not? |
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| 19:59.14 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: The Console on Windows is a joke |
| 19:59.17 | Kyral_Laptop | I wouldn't use it |
| 19:59.25 | Kyral_Laptop | (And my strength is my Shell-fu) |
| 19:59.29 | Arael | Lanken: app can have gui and can be as fast as grep |
| 19:59.50 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: But seperating it from the GUI makes it much more flexible |
| 19:59.52 | Lanken | Arael: of course. But you have launch it and maybe click some stuff. |
| 19:59.56 | Arael | Yes I use coreutils in windows - thanks to cygwin |
| 20:00.16 | Kyral_Laptop | If I write a shell backend to something |
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| 20:00.23 | Kyral_Laptop | then decide to write a GUI |
| 20:00.30 | Kyral_Laptop | then I don't need to rewrite the backend |
| 20:00.41 | Kyral_Laptop | no matter how many toolkits I port it to |
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| 20:01.03 | Arael | Think about it - you know KDE and we would spend a lot of time communicating with you. You do your part we do our part - it will work. |
| 20:01.30 | Arael | All our data looks like: |
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| 20:01.45 | Arael | dog<tab>Hund {m}<tab>noun<tab>animal |
| 20:01.52 | Kyral_Laptop | {m} |
| 20:01.53 | Arael | or the same in xml |
| 20:01.53 | Kyral_Laptop | ? |
| 20:01.57 | Arael | masculine |
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| 20:02.02 | Kyral_Laptop | as |
| 20:02.04 | Kyral_Laptop | ah |
| 20:02.10 | Kyral_Laptop | so field order is |
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| 20:02.28 | Arael | lang1 - lang2 - word type - thematic group |
| 20:02.36 | Kyral_Laptop | Parser complete |
| 20:02.47 | Kyral_Laptop | Basic one at least |
| 20:02.51 | Arael | nice |
| 20:02.59 | Kyral_Laptop | Its in Ruby :P |
| 20:03.15 | Arael | Get test file from http://dicts.info/uddl.php - and try it |
| 20:03.23 | Kyral_Laptop | Well, its not WRITTEN |
| 20:03.31 | Kyral_Laptop | but the design in my head is done |
| 20:04.02 | Arael | You can test it with grep - to see that it is not hat hard. gui + grep = simple kde app ;-) |
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| 20:04.12 | Arael | * that |
| 20:04.30 | Kyral_Laptop | KDialog |
| 20:04.49 | Lanken | Arael: there are sixty-some languages in the database? |
| 20:04.58 | Arael | You will get gpl app gpl data and everyone is happy - even KDE boss right thiago? ;-) |
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| 20:05.06 | Arael | yes over 60 |
| 20:05.08 | thiago | there is no boss |
| 20:05.16 | thiago | "There is no spoon" |
| 20:05.24 | Arael | + more coming soon ;-). we work hard to add them |
| 20:05.30 | Lanken | Arael: and three formats available at uddl.php, so there are around 10000 possible dictionaries. |
| 20:05.42 | Kyral_Laptop | What are the ; in the file |
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| 20:05.55 | Arael | 2000+ dictionaries are available now |
| 20:05.59 | _Johny | Do I need Stardict application with Ktransalator. Isn't it included? |
| 20:06.03 | Lanken | Arael: would it be overly taxing to create each of these every half hour and host them? |
| 20:06.05 | Arael | I can add option subset under GPL in few minutes |
| 20:07.05 | Arael | Easiest is to create them on the fly - I can even use special server for dictionary download |
| 20:07.50 | Lanken | Arael: yep, but if I want to have a script that refers to a dictionary, it would be useful to have a url to get it from. |
| 20:07.53 | Kyral_Laptop | You do realize I could create a script to go to your site and generate those on the fly right? |
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| 20:08.04 | alan__ | hi anyone using kxdocker? |
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| 20:08.09 | Lanken | Kyral_Laptop: I could do it with autohotkey on windows : |
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| 20:08.39 | Kyral_Laptop | Here is a hint |
| 20:08.49 | Kyral_Laptop | If you don't want people doing that, don't use GET ;P |
| 20:08.52 | Arael | I can give you url of the dictionary but I have to be sure that there is no robot attacking the server |
| 20:08.53 | Kyral_Laptop | use POST |
| 20:09.02 | Lanken | Kyral_Laptop: ahahah. |
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| 20:09.32 | Lanken | Arael: robot? The whole point is to let me script access to the dictionary. |
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| 20:09.43 | Kyral_Laptop | Lanken: You see what I mean? :D |
| 20:09.52 | Sho_ | Could you take this elsewhere, please? |
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| 20:10.04 | Arael | Lanken: over the time we work on the project you have no idea which idiots attacker and spammers have tried to attack our project |
| 20:10.25 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: Remind me to show you my server logs |
| 20:10.30 | Kyral_Laptop | Arael: You are not unique |
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| 20:10.41 | Lanken | join #kdict |
| 20:10.45 | Arael | yes |
| 20:10.54 | Sho_ | Thanks, Lanken |
| 20:11.00 | Arael | we should talk elsewhere |
| 20:11.24 | Arael | sorry guys to talk about the boring language stuff ;-) |
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| 20:11.25 | Kyral_Laptop | Lanken: send me a transcript later, I don't feel like having yet another channel tab open |
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| 20:11.42 | chronos | heya |
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| 20:11.44 | Kyral_Laptop | (If you don't ind) |
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| 20:12.11 | alan__ | where can i find a guide to installing kxdocker? :( |
| 20:12.13 | chronos | ahn, konsole can't split screen to I see two sessions on same time ... or can? |
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| 20:13.05 | Sho_ | chronos: You will be able to in KDE4 |
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| 20:13.23 | Sho_ | chronos: Until then, you could use http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/QuadKonsole?content=22482 |
| 20:13.53 | chronos | Sho_: .... |
| 20:14.07 | Sho_ | ? |
| 20:14.11 | chronos | Sho_: how many time at kde4 runs hehe?!?!?!?! |
| 20:14.27 | Sho_ | ~kde4 |
| 20:14.28 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule). |
| 20:14.31 | chronos | much nice features in next versions :] |
| 20:14.47 | chronos | Sho_: is good for use now? |
| 20:14.49 | Kyral_Laptop | Sweet! Only a couple weeks after my birthday! :P |
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| 20:15.07 | Sho_ | chronos: I did give you an alternative for KDE3, though: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/QuadKonsole?content=22482 |
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| 20:15.37 | chronos | I seeing |
| 20:15.39 | flujan | hi guys... I am trying so find kickoff sources... |
| 20:15.42 | flujan | where can I get it? |
| 20:16.11 | Sho_ | branches/work/suse_kickoff in SVN iirc |
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| 20:25.04 | flujan | Sho_, thanks... |
| 20:25.06 | flujan | :) |
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| 20:29.23 | flujan | Sho_, do I need to recompile the entire KDE? I am comping the svn and it is download kdepasswd and a lot of thinks... |
| 20:29.30 | flujan | kickoff really changes all this? |
| 20:29.56 | Arael | I liked the moment where I said everything is possible for few thousand $ and instantly someone said hey I can do it for few 1000$! Yeah sure free as in freedom but for 1000$! :D |
| 20:30.16 | Sho_ | flujan: They probably didn't modify everything, but the branch is a branch of kdebase iirc |
| 20:30.46 | annma | freedom does not mean no money |
| 20:30.54 | Sho_ | annma: Don't feed the troll |
| 20:31.10 | annma | yes Sho_ |
| 20:31.12 | flujan | Sho_, bah... holly god. I will wait until they create a singke tarball |
| 20:31.26 | annma | I just took a break from some code |
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| 20:31.52 | Nebukadneza | hi |
| 20:31.52 | Sho_ | flujan: Some distros do make Kickoff available easier ... Gentoo has it in an overlay for example |
| 20:32.20 | flujan | Sho_, Yeap... but I am a slacker. :) Good for some points, bad for others... |
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| 20:35.23 | chronos | Sho_: thx, nice app |
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| 20:36.11 | chronos | but how I can change of terminal without mouse? |
| 20:36.31 | thiago | what do you mean? |
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| 20:36.46 | Sho_ | thiago: He means in QuadKonsole (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/QuadKonsole?content=22482) |
| 20:36.55 | Sho_ | I don't know though, I don't have it installed at the moment |
| 20:37.02 | chronos | ok, np |
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| 20:37.16 | Sho_ | chronos: The KDE-Apps page says "Navigation is easier, using arrow keys." though ... |
| 20:37.24 | Sho_ | So it's probably something with arrows ;) |
| 20:37.56 | chronos | Sho_: yeas |
| 20:38.01 | chronos | but arrow not work ... |
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| 20:44.53 | bpuzon | Hi, are there anywhere any general rules how to make KDE (gentoo-compiled) work faster? (Shared libs preloading, or something? The proc speed is not a problem, but it still is far slower than winxp for example) |
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| 20:45.21 | bpuzon | (*it sttill is -> KDE still is) |
| 20:45.27 | PhilRod | there's a page "kde performance tips" on wiki.kde.org |
| 20:45.47 | bpuzon | PhilRod thx |
| 20:46.08 | annma | bpuzon: it si slower than xp? what do you load at start? |
| 20:46.11 | chealer | hi. in Country and language my country or region is set to default. how can I know what is that default? |
| 20:46.13 | annma | what CPU? |
| 20:46.25 | Lanken | bpuzon: do you mean at boot or while running? |
| 20:47.16 | annma | chealer: I have 2 languages listed myself in KControl Country & Languages |
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| 20:47.43 | bpuzon | Lanken while running, boot is rather fast. Even if it was slow, I wouldn't be any problem for me I think |
| 20:47.47 | chealer | annma: me too but my question is about the country (or region) |
| 20:48.25 | annma | the Region/Country is a combobox rigth? |
| 20:48.31 | annma | a drop down box |
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| 20:48.53 | tremby | my kde panel's disappeared. what's its command name? |
| 20:48.54 | chealer | annma: kind of...with submenus |
| 20:48.59 | chealer | tremby: kicker |
| 20:49.03 | tremby | ta |
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| 20:49.18 | annma | it should not be default if when you installed you chose the country chealer |
| 20:49.20 | tremby | :\ still can't find it |
| 20:49.27 | tremby | something's gone awry |
| 20:49.35 | annma | tremby: alt f2 and type kicker in it |
| 20:49.46 | tremby | i typed it in a console. same thing |
| 20:49.46 | chealer | annma: I didn't, I skipped the assistant. I want to verify that KDE behaves correctly in that case |
| 20:49.57 | annma | chealer: did you just installed your distro? |
| 20:50.16 | annma | it's not in KDE assistant that you choose the country |
| 20:50.31 | tremby | ah it just wasn't popping up when the mouse was there. alt f1 made it show itself |
| 20:50.41 | chealer | annma: actually I installed it about a month ago and realized about a week ago that localization settings like paper weren't correct. I suspect the country is not set right |
| 20:50.59 | annma | chealer: what distro is it? |
| 20:51.16 | chealer | annma: the first question I get in the first kpersonalizer dialog is about my country |
| 20:51.24 | chealer | annma: Debian testing |
| 20:51.49 | annma | I skip kpersonalizer |
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| 20:51.58 | annma | it takes stuff from your distro anyway |
| 20:52.19 | annma | I believe the country is deduced from your keyboard |
| 20:52.51 | chealer | annma: oh, so when you say "when you installed you chose the country" what are you talking about if you don't talk about kpersonalizer? |
| 20:52.54 | annma | or something like that, it's always difficult to get an OS take a country and a different language |
| 20:52.57 | chealer | annma: hum |
| 20:53.03 | annma | you install your DISTRO |
| 20:53.10 | annma | not KDE but your distro |
| 20:53.22 | chealer | annma: yes... |
| 20:53.24 | annma | for ex I live in France but I run KDE in English |
| 20:53.37 | annma | that confuses Linux |
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| 20:53.44 | chealer | annma: you mean the keyboard layout, right? my keyboard layout is ca. |
| 20:53.51 | purplepenguins | really? |
| 20:53.56 | annma | your country is what? |
| 20:54.03 | purplepenguins | ca? is that Canada? |
| 20:54.06 | annma | purplepenguins: yes |
| 20:54.10 | chealer | annma: guess :) as purplepenguins said |
| 20:54.15 | annma | ca is Catalan |
| 20:54.23 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 20:54.28 | annma | I think |
| 20:54.37 | purplepenguins | that makes more sense, I don't see why Canada would need a different keyboard |
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| 20:55.07 | chealer | purplepenguins: I don't know but I think ca is only used for French Canadian |
| 20:55.20 | annma | chealer: ca is Canadian? |
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| 20:55.59 | purplepenguins | oh, cool |
| 20:56.02 | chealer | annma: for X keyboard layouts, yeah. I live in Canada and speak french. |
| 20:56.04 | annma | ah where did I see ca = catalan then? |
| 20:56.18 | annma | chealer: ok I was like that last year |
| 20:56.29 | annma | I lived near mlontreal |
| 20:56.46 | chealer | annma: cool :) I'm in Quebec city |
| 20:56.49 | annma | so set the country to Canada then chealer |
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| 20:57.18 | annma | your distro probably did not ask or did it wrong |
| 20:57.43 | chealer | annma: yeah but my concern is that I would like the country to be set to Canada by default. I already chose Canada in debian-installer. so I would like to check what's KDE "default country/region" maps to. |
| 20:57.55 | PhilRod | annma: "ca"==catalan for languages, but not for countries |
| 20:58.08 | annma | PhilRod: ah, how confusing then |
| 20:58.31 | annma | chealer: I guess KDE sets default when it cannot detect anything |
| 20:59.29 | annma | the country does not matter in fact |
| 20:59.54 | annma | well, yes, it matters for locale |
| 21:00.03 | annma | what money does it show chealer? |
| 21:00.12 | chealer | annma: yes. I guess you don't understand what I mean. my question is that if someone chooses default as country or region, KDE got to map that to some actual country or region, right? so how can I see which country or region it maps to? |
| 21:00.15 | annma | Numbers, Money |
| 21:00.19 | chealer | annma: hey, good question :) |
| 21:00.30 | chealer | annma: "$" |
| 21:00.32 | annma | look at bottom |
| 21:00.34 | annma | ahh |
| 21:00.42 | annma | and numbers? |
| 21:00.52 | chealer | yet papersize is set to A4 |
| 21:01.46 | chealer | annma: decimal symbol is "." |
| 21:01.55 | annma | I suspect default is en_US then |
| 21:02.03 | annma | as it's langugae default |
| 21:02.23 | chealer | annma: but why A4 papersize? language is set to french |
| 21:02.25 | annma | yes when I put Default it removes French |
| 21:02.37 | annma | in your case it mixes stuff |
| 21:02.57 | annma | it leaves A4 for paper here as well |
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| 21:03.13 | annma | maybe A4 is default but you American ignore it |
| 21:03.17 | annma | ;) |
| 21:03.33 | chealer | annma: you say that if you choose default country or language, French disappears from languages? |
| 21:03.59 | annma | yes |
| 21:04.20 | annma | and if I put France as country it sets language to french which I don't want |
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| 21:04.29 | annma | it is obliged to have some defaults |
| 21:04.39 | annma | you change it to your taste after |
| 21:05.14 | annma | so Iset Country to France with Euro money and all metric stuff and I set language to English |
| 21:05.38 | annma | I have French installed btw otherwise it would not choose it as default |
| 21:06.28 | chealer | annma: ah, you're right |
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| 21:09.18 | annma | clicking on Defaults in fact sets it to Default |
| 21:09.41 | annma | I htink it's smoother to call it Default than en_US |
| 21:11.32 | PhilRod | en_US is default because it's guaranteed to be installed |
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| 21:13.08 | chealer | annma is right. default seems to map to no country or region. it's a set of default parameters |
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| 21:15.49 | PhilRod | ah, so sabayon is a livecd. That explains why so many sabayonlive-XYZ users turn up here |
| 21:16.11 | matsav_halev | yeah its a gentoo based distro |
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| 21:26.11 | chronos | ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:26.17 | chronos | work done for today |
| 21:26.19 | chronos | :D |
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| 21:38.33 | inhaler | anyone watching this chan? |
| 21:39.01 | pinotree | ~ask |
| 21:39.14 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. |
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| 21:41.33 | inhaler | heh cool |
| 21:41.46 | inhaler | just looking for a quick terminal command to format a floppy |
| 21:41.58 | inhaler | only 1 floppy drive in the machine, |
| 21:42.11 | inhaler | it's in /media/floppy |
| 21:42.20 | pinotree | kfloppy? |
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| 21:42.59 | JohnFlux | inhaler: quick format? or full format? |
| 21:43.04 | JohnFlux | a quick format is just making a file system |
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| 21:43.15 | inhaler | full format |
| 21:43.23 | inhaler | it's an old win floppy |
| 21:43.36 | JohnFlux | then you don't need a full format |
| 21:43.46 | JohnFlux | a quick format would be just mkfs.fat32 /dev/fd0 |
| 21:43.55 | JohnFlux | just make a new filesystem on it |
| 21:44.16 | inhaler | nice, i'll try that, thanks :) |
| 21:44.21 | JohnFlux | a quick format would be just mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0 |
| 21:44.23 | JohnFlux | rather |
| 21:44.27 | JohnFlux | for fat32 |
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| 21:44.40 | JohnFlux | inhaler: alternatively, just mount it and delete all the files :-) |
| 21:45.10 | JohnFlux | Renze: I haven't seen a machine that takes floppies for ages! |
| 21:45.19 | inhaler | renze: i had to blow the dust off it... it's for a sabayon install crash dump |
| 21:45.25 | Renze | JohnFlux: none of the PCs I have built have floppy drives |
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| 21:45.44 | inhaler | I always put a floppy drive into every machine I build just in case |
| 21:45.50 | JohnFlux | they're actually quite expensive |
| 21:45.58 | JohnFlux | they add about $15 to the cost of the machine |
| 21:46.11 | inhaler | so johnFlux, should I use the fat or fat32 snippet? |
| 21:46.18 | Renze | vfat |
| 21:46.31 | inhaler | ok not vfat32 |
| 21:46.35 | JohnFlux | inhaler: vfat |
| 21:46.35 | JohnFlux | inhaler: linux calls fat32 vfat |
| 21:46.38 | inhaler | err |
| 21:46.38 | JohnFlux | i forget why |
| 21:46.39 | inhaler | heh |
| 21:46.40 | inhaler | ok |
| 21:46.40 | JohnFlux | nope |
| 21:46.44 | inhaler | checked the backlog |
| 21:46.46 | inhaler | got it, thanks :) |
| 21:47.09 | JohnFlux | like pinotree says though, you can always use kfloppy |
| 21:47.38 | inhaler | hmmmmmm |
| 21:47.50 | inhaler | hmm |
| 21:48.29 | inhaler | bash: mkfs.vfat: command not found |
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| 21:49.03 | inhaler | lol |
| 21:49.04 | Renze | probably need to do that as root |
| 21:49.07 | inhaler | well kfloppy works just fine :) |
| 21:49.31 | qupada | JohnFlux: not quite |
| 21:49.38 | qupada | it calls all manner of fat filesystems vfat |
| 21:49.49 | qupada | and for the record, mkfs.vfat makes fat12/16 by default |
| 21:49.51 | inhaler | hmm |
| 21:49.53 | JohnFlux | thought it might be something like that |
| 21:49.55 | qupada | you have to add -F32 to force fat32 |
| 21:49.56 | peppe | actually: vfat is fat with long file names (so also fat16), mkfs.vfat is an alias for mkfs.msdos which is an alias for mkdosfs under three distros at least |
| 21:50.00 | JohnFlux | hmm |
| 21:50.16 | JohnFlux | you'd want fat12 for floppies |
| 21:50.16 | JohnFlux | iirc |
| 21:50.21 | inhaler | heh you guys are nerds :) |
| 21:50.22 | JohnFlux | will it use fat12 for floppies by default? |
| 21:50.22 | peppe | JohnFlux: right |
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| 21:50.34 | inhaler | I thought I was a nerd.... |
| 21:50.45 | Renze | inhaler: 99% of people on IRC are nerds |
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| 21:50.48 | JohnFlux | inhaler: you have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes |
| 21:50.49 | peppe | JohnFlux: IIRC yes if it detects a "floppy" size |
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| 21:51.02 | peppe | however you can force it with -F 12 |
| 21:51.10 | Renze | inhaler: your adherence to the primitive floppy technology excludes you from nerd status ;) |
| 21:52.29 | inhaler | lol |
| 21:52.29 | qupada | JohnFlux: i got to the bottom of the rabbit hole. the final boss was hard |
| 21:52.29 | JohnFlux | qupada: reminds me of another joke.. I read the dictionary the other day... the Zebra did it |
| 21:52.33 | inhaler | hmmm s'not workin... |
| 21:52.39 | inhaler | hang on though |
| 21:52.51 | inhaler | it was just for an install crash dump but now that's gone away |
| 21:52.58 | inhaler | i'll just try running the Install on Disk again |
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| 21:53.06 | Renze | JohnFlux: Steve Irwin was asked in an interview shortly before he died what his favourite TV show was as a child. He answered that he liked Thunderbirds, but Stingray had a special place in his heart. |
| 21:53.07 | inhaler | but I'll take this over to the #sabayon chan |
| 21:53.24 | inhaler | thanks for the help anyway guys :) live long and whatnot |
| 21:53.35 | JohnFlux | Renze: ha! |
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| 22:09.52 | amv | is there a program i could use from the console which would allow me to send custom kde notifications (like the ones kopete uses to inform of new messages) ? |
| 22:09.59 | Lanken | Sho_: a while ago I mentioned searching kmenueditor, and you said it would be a good junior project. Should I submit a wish to bugs.kde.org? |
| 22:10.06 | amv | s/send/show/ |
| 22:10.23 | PhilRod | amv: "kdialog --passive" is similar, but not the same |
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| 22:13.19 | amv | PhilRod: --passive gives me "Unknown option" (Qt: 3.3.6, KDE: 3.5.2, KDialog: 1.0, Ubuntu Dapper) |
| 22:13.27 | Lanken | Sho_: also, I wonder if ^L should be enabled by default in konversation. I haven't ever wanted to do it and a few times I've hit it by accident, thinking I was in a browser. |
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| 22:13.39 | PhilRod | amv: try --help - I don't rememer the exact option offhand |
| 22:13.48 | amv | PhilRod: But I'm looking for something a bit more unobturusive (i think) |
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| 22:19.18 | amv | PhilRod: it was --passivepopup (which can be found by --help, but not in the man page) and doens't look very nice and isn't very configurable ;) |
| 22:19.25 | amv | PhilRod: but thank you |
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| 22:24.14 | piztek | does anyone know how to configure wireless? |
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| 22:27.13 | pinotree | piztek: you should ask in #yourdistro |
| 22:28.18 | amv | PhilRod: I think KJabNotify is what I want |
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| 22:34.32 | Renze | shields down to 16%, captain! |
| 22:34.53 | troy | I dunnut know how much more she can take! |
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| 22:35.01 | Renze | mmmmm... donuts... |
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| 22:46.11 | CMoH | hi |
| 22:46.23 | CMoH | are composite and xinerama extensions compatible? |
| 22:46.37 | Sho_ | CMoH: yes. |
| 22:46.43 | Sho_ | But that's really one for #xorg |
| 22:47.05 | Sho_ | Lanken: Sure, submit a wish |
| 22:47.15 | CMoH | thanks; well, i went here first |
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| 22:52.20 | Jucato | moin Sho_! moin Renze! |
| 22:52.39 | Renze | guten tag, herr Jucato |
| 22:52.54 | Jucato | tag! you're it! |
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| 22:53.14 | Sho_ | moin Jucato |
| 22:53.25 | Jucato | migraine's gone. yay! |
| 22:53.32 | Jucato | troy: thanks I needed that :) |
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| 22:54.12 | Jucato | it'll just bounce off :P |
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| 22:54.54 | Henkie | hi, kwin wont start (automatic) anymore on my primary display, how can i fix this? |
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| 22:57.52 | chealer | Henkie: just kwin? but the rest of KDE starts? |
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| 22:58.36 | Henkie | chakie, yes, and kwin starts on my :0.1 display |
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| 22:59.06 | Henkie | chealer, problems started after starting "beryl-manager" |
| 22:59.13 | chealer | Henkie: ah. no idea |
| 22:59.18 | Henkie | but now i removed that from my system |
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| 22:59.25 | Henkie | too bad |
| 22:59.26 | Minuo | Is there any technology to sync the KDE contacts with an online SyncML server? |
| 23:00.48 | troy | Minuo: try #kontact (if anyone is awake in there)... it sounds like something that hasn't been implemented in KDE, but could go into the opensync library (and therefor KDE could get it for free in KDE 4) |
| 23:01.04 | Minuo | troy: Ok, thanks |
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| 23:02.08 | Alethes | it's too bad contacts can't be stored on an imap server and accessed like another folder or something |
| 23:02.22 | Henkie | ah, removing "ksmserverrc" did the trick |
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| 23:02.38 | Henkie | second time this happend |
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| 23:02.49 | Henkie | first time i had to remove entire .kde/ dir |
| 23:03.10 | intrade | done upgrade? |
| 23:04.03 | Henkie | well, renaming actually |
| 23:04.03 | intrade | hal is the problem for it |
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| 23:05.02 | jonez | hi.. does anybody happen to know if konversation has aliases like xchat does, wherein I can use "" to mean "current channel" and such? |
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| 23:05.10 | jonez | I can't find it in the "configure konversation" dialog. |
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| 23:07.13 | Jucato | Auto Replace? try #konversation |
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| 23:07.42 | mwenge | anyone ever experienced a problem with kdm - where root can login but normal users can't? i.e. the normal user attempt just freezes the kdm login screen? |
| 23:08.18 | Renze | mwenge: in all honesty... no |
| 23:08.26 | StevenR | mwenge: kdm logs stuff to /var/log/kdm.log iirc... maybe check there? |
| 23:08.28 | StarScream | mwenge: never tried to login as root |
| 23:08.44 | Renze | also check the user's .xsession-errors file |
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| 23:08.49 | mwenge | yes, there's nothing in either |
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| 23:09.22 | mwenge | root is the only one that works which indicates a permissions problem of some sort, just don't know enough about kdm to figure out what... |
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| 23:15.23 | piztek | does anyone know how to configure wireless on kde? |
| 23:15.54 | piztek | i guess the problem is that the signal strength is extremely low |
| 23:16.02 | piztek | and i think it's picking up my neighbors signal |
| 23:16.13 | piztek | because our wireless is encrypted |
| 23:16.32 | piztek | but it's not even detecting the network |
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| 23:40.33 | Mohjive | hello! |
| 23:40.42 | kristjan_ | what best xml editor in kde? |
| 23:40.48 | Mohjive | I just compiled kde 3.5.6 from source |
| 23:41.11 | Mohjive | but now I get ugly dotted frames around every button and control |
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| 23:41.31 | Mohjive | anyone know where that comes from - is it a setting? |
| 23:41.50 | pinotree | Mohjive: can you paste in eg imageshack.us a small screenshot? |
| 23:42.28 | Mohjive | pinotree: sure, one sec |
| 23:42.32 | pinotree | kristjan_: depends on your definition of "best"... kate with its plugins in kdeaddons can do a nice job |
| 23:42.35 | Mohjive | or rather minute :) |
| 23:45.16 | Mohjive | pinotree: http://karlsson.sytes.net/~jonas/frame.png |
| 23:45.38 | troy | Mohjive: that's some widget style that's doing that... :) |
| 23:45.44 | pinotree | Mohjive: that's the widget style |
| 23:45.47 | Jucato | yeah |
| 23:45.54 | Jucato | dang you guys type fast :P |
| 23:46.01 | troy | actually, I wonder what style that is, it's pretty slick looking :) |
| 23:46.07 | Mohjive | nah |
| 23:46.07 | troy | Jucato: 90 wpm :) |
| 23:46.13 | Jucato | haha ;) |
| 23:46.14 | Mohjive | I think it's ugly |
| 23:46.17 | Renze | looks like the accessibility style for the visually impaired |
| 23:46.31 | troy | Renze: cool, how come they get such a nice style :) |
| 23:46.41 | Renze | troy: I think it is ugly too |
| 23:47.11 | troy | Jucato: what, just because it doesn't have gradients doesn't make it ugly :P |
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| 23:47.59 | Jucato | troy: hmm.... maybe... :) |
| 23:48.01 | Mohjive | troy: sure, it looks ok like that, but imagine every button, no matter how small, has that little dotted fram |
| 23:48.06 | Renze | Jucato: maybe troy is visually impaired :D |
| 23:48.14 | troy | Mohjive: ah, the toolbar would be nasty! |
| 23:48.20 | Jucato | ah no wonder.. accessibility :) |
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| 23:48.39 | Jucato | troy: sorry I couldn't write in size 14 fonts here for you :) |
| 23:49.20 | Mohjive | ahh |
| 23:49.23 | Mohjive | that's better |
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| 23:51.44 | Alethes | troy: an idea when oxygen will be done? The reason I ask is because I think I'd like to work on a package to integrate firefox into kde4 as soon as possible. |
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| 23:52.40 | Alethes | actually, I think the first application would be something to create firefox icon themes from any theme using the freedesktop naming scheme |
| 23:52.43 | troy | Alethes: oxygen... icons, style or windeco? style is probably the one you want... |
| 23:52.52 | Alethes | style and icons, honestly |
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| 23:53.20 | troy | icons should be far enough along to start work there... style is in a greater state of flux... |
| 23:53.26 | Alethes | ok |
| 23:53.47 | Alethes | hehe |
| 23:54.00 | ArTo | hahahahahah |
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| 23:54.47 | troy | Hey guys, KDE 1.1.1 release party! tell all of your friends to join the channel.... |
| 23:55.04 | Jucato | s/further/farther |
| 23:55.18 | Jucato | :) |
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| 23:55.44 | troy | hopefully it isn't too long - I don't want to clog up your 300 baud modems :P |
| 23:56.14 | Alethes | 88 was my first year of highschool |
| 23:56.21 | Alethes | :o |
| 23:56.35 | ArTo | i was born in 88 |
| 23:56.35 | ArTo | haha |
| 23:56.49 | Alethes | haha |
| 23:57.21 | troy | oh wait.. I think I might actually be 24 *does the math* |
| 23:57.23 | Jucato | troy: you're what/!?!?! |
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| 23:57.49 | Alethes | :o |
| 23:57.57 | Jucato | Renze: Leo or Cancer? |
| 23:58.00 | Renze | Leo |
| 23:58.03 | Renze | rawr |
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| 23:58.03 | Jucato | (what a question!?!) |
| 23:58.06 | Jucato | ha! no wonder :P |
| 23:58.25 | Renze | I don't believe any of that astrology crap |
| 23:58.30 | Jucato | troy: please tell me that you're already 24 :) |
| 23:58.45 | Alethes | troy: am I right to assume that oxygen (and any other kde4 icon theme) will use the freedesktop standard that tango is also using? |
| 23:58.47 | Jucato | Renze: :P |
| 23:58.56 | Jucato | Alethes: it already does |
| 23:59.26 | Renze | Alethes: yes |
| 23:59.26 | Alethes | ok |
| 23:59.27 | Alethes | just making sure |
| 23:59.27 | troy | Alethes: mais oui |
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| 23:59.27 | Renze | merde! |
| 23:59.27 | Alethes | so doing that application I mentioned would actually be pretty useful |
| 23:59.27 | troy | Jucato: No, I just figured it out - I'm turning 24 this year... 23 for half the year, 24 for half :P |
| 23:59.27 | Jucato | Alethes: emphasis on "freedesktop icon naming standard" only |
| 23:59.32 | DeFender1031 | hello, how do i get my laptop to recognize my external monitor? |
| 23:59.35 | Jucato | troy: eeek!! |
| 23:59.59 | Jucato | troy: please don't tell me you're turning 24 on august or later |
