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| 00:14.09 | hellhound | hello... I am having problems getting my "Quickcam Ultra Vision" to work in kopete... i have the ebuild linux-uvc (i use gentoo 2.6.20-r3) and i have kde 3.5.6 and kopete 0.12.4 and uvc 0.1.0e |
| 00:14.38 | hellhound | all it gives me is a green screen in the configure |
| 00:15.11 | hagabaka | hmm, has ktorrent lost the feature to import an incomplete download? |
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| 00:18.22 | xintruder | hi |
| 00:18.38 | xintruder | I cant see programs running in my main panel |
| 00:19.06 | pinotree | right click on the panel -> add applet -> task bar |
| 00:20.10 | xintruder | Thanks! |
| 00:20.24 | xintruder | Why doesnt every desktop, has its own task bar like in gnome ? |
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| 00:20.35 | xintruder | they are all viwable on every desktop! |
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| 00:21.21 | pinotree | right click on the panel -> configure -> taskbar -> [ ] show windows from all the desktops |
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| 00:23.28 | Liam2 | Why doesn't "kstart --type Dock --ontop xterm" work? |
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| 00:25.11 | pinotree | what should that achieve? reducing the app to the system tray? |
| 00:25.19 | Xtagon | I have stupid ideas a lot |
| 00:25.21 | Xtagon | Anyone want to hear my current one? |
| 00:25.57 | pinotree | if they are kde-related and with a bit of sense, why not... |
| 00:26.11 | Xtagon | Well |
| 00:26.18 | Xtagon | What if you could save a "Desktop Session" |
| 00:26.28 | Renze | you already can |
| 00:26.28 | Liam2 | pinotree: It should start xterm with no border and keep it on top. Individually those options work, but not together. |
| 00:26.32 | Xtagon | And save all your windows and apps to disk, kinda like switching user |
| 00:26.35 | Xtagon | only not switching |
| 00:26.40 | Xtagon | And have like, 4 saved sessions |
| 00:26.56 | Xtagon | Kinda like having the Cube, only having 4 or more cubes |
| 00:27.38 | Xtagon | I guess this is more of a Beryl idea than a KDE one :-/ |
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| 00:29.23 | lunitik | Xtagon: Beryl is just a Windows Manager that features lots of 3D plugin effects.... |
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| 00:29.38 | lunitik | Xtagon: KWin is getting similar features |
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| 00:37.32 | hellhound | can anyone help me get uvc (for logitech quickcam ultra vision) working in kopete? I have it working in kdetv and luvcview... the only error i get when i try running "kopete --noconnect" is "read error 19, No such device" |
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| 00:47.39 | Fran | kopete , I am at hotmail,I want to talk to a yahoo user; how to ? I also have a jabber account,but still , I cant communicate with the yahoo person, how to ? |
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| 00:49.30 | bet4 | hi |
| 00:49.46 | bet4 | how do open multiple tabs in konqi? |
| 00:49.50 | bet4 | +i |
| 00:49.53 | pinotree | Ctrl+T |
| 00:49.57 | bet4 | bookmarks |
| 00:50.02 | pinotree | ? |
| 00:50.32 | bet4 | i mean a folder with bookmarks |
| 00:50.41 | bet4 | like the firefox behaviour for example |
| 00:50.50 | bet4 | all in a row of tabs |
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| 00:51.22 | Renze | right click folder, open folder in tabs |
| 00:51.43 | bet4 | oh neat ;) |
| 00:51.48 | bet4 | i suck thx though |
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| 00:53.08 | goldman62 | hoola? |
| 00:53.17 | Alethes | man creating a firefox theme is a pain |
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| 00:53.31 | omni_ | just mapping a shortcut key to launch firefox is a pain |
| 00:53.51 | Renze | firefox is a pain ;) |
| 00:54.08 | omni_ | firefox is the best browser I've found |
| 00:54.16 | Alethes | likewise |
| 00:54.17 | markey | opera++ |
| 00:54.18 | omni_ | you recommend something better renze? :) |
| 00:54.20 | hydrogen | opera++ |
| 00:54.20 | Renze | I by far prefer konqueror |
| 00:54.21 | Alethes | I tried using konq for a while |
| 00:54.23 | Fran | In kopete , I am at hotmail,I want to talk to a yahoo user; how to ? I also have a jabber account,but still , I cant communicate with the yahoo person, how to ? |
| 00:54.36 | Alethes | Fran: register a yahoo.com account |
| 00:54.46 | Fran | ... |
| 00:54.53 | omni_ | well my shortcut key assignment problem isn't firefox related specifically |
| 00:54.58 | hydrogen | konquerer likes to hang while loading qt documentation... thats a bit of irony :) |
| 00:56.03 | omni_ | when I try to set a shortcut using the Super key (windows key) it doesn't accept it |
| 00:56.03 | Fran | what is the purpose of multiprotocol flags then |
| 00:56.03 | omni_ | it says Menu where it should say Super + |
| 00:56.03 | Renze | Fran: so you can be on more than one network at a time |
| 00:56.03 | omni_ | then when I hit they key ('w' for example) it just sets the hotkey to that letter |
| 00:56.03 | omni_ | no modifier |
| 00:56.03 | Renze | Fran: kopete never promised cross-protocol communication |
| 00:56.03 | omni_ | so instead of Super + W it's just W |
| 00:56.03 | omni_ | any idea why? |
| 00:56.30 | Fran | fuuf |
| 00:58.41 | omni_ | nm i think i found it |
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| 01:03.46 | Fran | renze : who promised then ? |
| 01:04.19 | Renze | Fran: nobody... if you want to talk to somebody on yahoo, you have to have a yahoo account. plain and simple. |
| 01:04.52 | Fran | live messenger features it ; why ,; how |
| 01:05.05 | Renze | kopete is not live messenger |
| 01:05.06 | Fran | a msn account can talk to a yahoo one,and so on |
| 01:05.27 | Renze | kopete does not use live messenger's online framework |
| 01:05.33 | Renze | microsoft would not allow it |
| 01:05.44 | Fran | why ? |
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| 01:06.06 | Renze | because they're a bunch of assholes |
| 01:06.07 | Fran | if it is a gpled free oss ,they wont allow it ? |
| 01:06.07 | Renze | if it isn't Microsoft, they won't allow it |
| 01:06.48 | Fran | situation is likely to change over time till their poker runs luck out |
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| 01:07.05 | Fran | and finally consume their busines model |
| 01:07.09 | Alethes | man, you haven't been using linux long have you? heh |
| 01:07.19 | Fran | I have |
| 01:07.29 | Alethes | then you should know how this situation works |
| 01:07.31 | Renze | then why are you still so ignorant? |
| 01:07.40 | Alethes | I wasn't gonna use that word :) |
| 01:07.47 | Renze | I'm not subtle :D |
| 01:07.59 | Alethes | no kiddin' ;) |
| 01:08.31 | pavluha | Извините, а здесь кто-нибудь говорит на русском |
| 01:08.43 | Alethes | no |
| 01:08.53 | Alethes | err nyet |
| 01:08.54 | Alethes | :D |
| 01:08.56 | Renze | english only, please |
| 01:09.24 | Alethes | Иyзт |
| 01:09.36 | Alethes | or something |
| 01:10.06 | pavluha | I from in Belarus |
| 01:10.28 | Alethes | y'know Renze, if I could figure out how to limit the max number of kio_http processes or connections or something, I could use konq for my browser |
| 01:10.47 | Renze | Alethes: you have access to the source... patch it :D |
| 01:10.52 | Alethes | asiego said it was possible, but he was busy and I was at work and I never did get an answer |
| 01:11.02 | Alethes | yeah, I thought about that |
| 01:11.09 | Fran | what about calling linux, gnu/linux, and why do RMS think he can give orders to ati and nvidia,and yeah,why am I still wating for creative to release specs or drivers |
| 01:11.15 | Renze | anywho, SG1 to watch |
| 01:11.27 | Alethes | enjoy |
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| 01:13.36 | mcfloppy_ | reh |
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| 01:16.50 | Fran | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=posv+&search=Search |
| 01:17.47 | pinotree | Fran: wrong channel |
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| 01:18.40 | Fran | pinotree,what will phonon really add ? will it really support multichannel and indepent mixers ? |
| 01:19.00 | pinotree | if the backends will support that, i suppose so |
| 01:19.38 | Fran | a backend to phonon ? what is this one ? or do you mean the kernel |
| 01:19.51 | hellhound | can anyone please help get kopete to work with my webcam? the webcam is supported by linux and I can get it to work in some applications |
| 01:19.52 | Fran | I thought phonon would come with the innovation |
| 01:21.20 | hydrogen | Fran: no, phonon is essentially a layer between the backends and the frontends |
| 01:21.27 | hydrogen | it provides a stable api to develop against |
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| 01:22.15 | Fran | achieve |
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| 01:23.05 | hydrogen | no one really cares to do it. |
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| 01:24.27 | Fran | ah,no one cares to add a useful quality functioonnality to the system |
| 01:24.39 | Fran | woow,increfible(irony) |
| 01:24.44 | Fran | dib* |
| 01:25.06 | Alethes | I don't know about you, but I prefer to whine, 'cause it seems to get things done around here |
| 01:25.13 | Alethes | :D |
| 01:25.17 | Fran | lol |
| 01:25.32 | Fran | would you wine "DIrectSound" ? how ? |
| 01:26.05 | Fran | doesnt seem likely |
| 01:26.27 | Fran | it will not be integrated to your linux environment |
| 01:26.59 | Fran | and you will be lucky to just get AAC+ work with wined winamp,dsound wont do |
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| 01:35.16 | Renze | Fran: complaining loudly on IRC will not get anything done, and it will only piss us off. can you try to be productive for a change? |
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| 01:35.46 | LiquidNerd_ | Renze: really? Now what the hell am I going to do tonight? |
| 01:36.08 | Renze | LiquidNerd_: dunno... pick up a new hobby, perhaps? ;) |
| 01:36.24 | LiquidNerd_ | bah |
| 01:36.35 | Renze | LiquidNerd_: go make yellow snowmen :D |
| 01:37.57 | LiquidNerd_ | Renze: no snow left.. it was 14°C today |
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| 01:38.16 | Renze | 14°C... nice |
| 01:38.22 | Renze | too hot here |
| 01:38.43 | Alethes | it was about 4°C here today |
| 01:38.52 | Alethes | but much warmer than it was a week ago :) |
| 01:38.59 | Alethes | closer to -20 then |
| 01:39.19 | LiquidNerd_ | heh |
| 01:39.23 | LiquidNerd_ | where are you? |
| 01:39.30 | Alethes | northernish ontario |
| 01:39.34 | LiquidNerd_ | ahh |
| 01:39.36 | Alethes | you? |
| 01:39.37 | LiquidNerd_ | Ottawa here |
| 01:39.39 | Alethes | ah |
| 01:39.44 | Alethes | I'm in North Bay |
| 01:39.46 | Alethes | :) |
| 01:39.52 | LiquidNerd_ | that's pretty north |
| 01:39.54 | Renze | Canuckistanis everywhere :D |
| 01:39.58 | Alethes | haha |
| 01:40.02 | LiquidNerd_ | Renze: we're out to get you |
| 01:40.37 | LiquidNerd_ | nnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 01:41.00 | LiquidNerd_ | for some reason I'm not longer motivated to get Renze |
| 01:41.31 | Alethes | you're now only motivated to get pot |
| 01:41.39 | Alethes | oh the irony |
| 01:41.42 | LiquidNerd_ | I said Ottawa not Vancouver |
| 01:41.45 | Alethes | haha |
| 01:41.54 | Alethes | I said pot not herion |
| 01:41.58 | Alethes | heroin |
| 01:44.01 | LiquidNerd_ | man.. I don't even know where I would get pot if I wanted some... Back in high school I could just ask anybody probably... Now I'd actually have to put effort into finding it |
| 01:44.20 | Alethes | ah, see, the motivation is kicking in |
| 01:44.24 | hydrogen | nah, you could just ask anyone probably |
| 01:44.25 | Alethes | you're thinking of who you could ask |
| 01:44.26 | Alethes | :) |
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| 01:44.49 | Alethes | NB has a bit of the meth thing happening |
| 01:44.52 | LiquidNerd_ | I bet I could stand outside of a McDonalds and get some |
| 01:44.56 | Alethes | which is a little freaky |
| 01:45.13 | hydrogen | "undefined reference to std::basic_string" scares me |
| 01:45.19 | Renze | heh |
| 01:45.26 | LiquidNerd_ | hydrogen: if that doesn't, mkfs -t ext3 hd* will work |
| 01:45.35 | hydrogen | not that well :) |
| 01:45.46 | LiquidNerd_ | wont be broke either though |
| 01:45.59 | hydrogen | it will be more broke |
| 01:46.05 | hydrogen | in a "nothing works at all" type of broke |
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| 01:46.24 | Alethes | haha |
| 01:46.26 | LiquidNerd_ | well it wont be there.. so there's nothing to not work |
| 01:46.33 | Alethes | yay |
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| 01:47.53 | LiquidNerd_ | a buddy asked me today what's the best way to permanently delete something on your computer and make it so it can never be brought back up.. After being a little disturbed by this question I told him to burn his computer |
| 01:48.47 | Renze | that won't do it... latent magnetism can still be read off the platters |
| 01:48.48 | Renze | put the PC in an MRI machine |
| 01:48.49 | LiquidNerd_ | not if the plates have melted |
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| 01:50.02 | Alethes | why would you burn the whole computer when the harddrive is the only issue? |
| 01:50.05 | Alethes | or is it? |
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| 01:52.45 | ragawu | Quick question... do I still need to compile in support for qt3? can't find this in faqs |
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| 01:54.16 | cubezzz | I think the NSA guys remove the platters from the drive, sand them down, and then break the platters into pieces :) |
| 01:54.42 | cubezzz | THEN they take the pieces and drop them into a (soon to be) active volcano |
| 01:54.45 | Renze | ragawu: is this in regard to svn trunk? |
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| 01:56.51 | ragawu | kdebase-startkde-3.5.5 on gentoo to be exact, |
| 01:57.21 | Renze | ragawu: kde3 uses qt3, qt4 will be used by kde4 (they are incompatible) |
| 01:59.39 | ragawu | Renze, Sorry - I was aware of that. I just copied'n' pasted the ouput from gentoo portage, I was expecting 4 - I'd just read that 4 was stable on Gentoo now. |
| 01:59.50 | ragawu | I need to check my sources for a moment |
| 02:00.12 | Renze | 4 is stable on gentoo... that doesn't mean it is used by kde3 (qt3 and qt4 can be installed in parallel |
| 02:00.15 | Renze | +) |
| 02:01.01 | hydrogen | you shouldn't need the qt3support flag for qt when kde4 is released |
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| 02:06.48 | ragawu | I'm going to look for some docs on this, basically I need to know how this choice plays into the variety of packages available after compilation time. e.g. how many packages support qt4 for instance. and good links? |
| 02:07.06 | ragawu | and=any |
| 02:07.15 | Renze | ragawu: no part of KDE3 supports qt4 |
| 02:07.36 | ragawu | As you can see I need to do my homework |
| 02:10.00 | DawnLight | alt+shift switches grps for me only if i have hebrew as primary layout and english as secondary and hebrew has the "include latin layout" (don't know what that does) marked. when i reverse the order and put english as primary layout like i want, alt+shift stops working and doesn't do anything. note that switching by ckicking on the tray icon works. i'm using kde control center to set xkb like "setxkbmap -option |
| 02:10.00 | DawnLight | <DawnLight> grp_led:scroll,grp:alt_shift_toggle". help? |
| 02:10.06 | TehKewl1 | you know what's funny? |
| 02:10.14 | TehKewl1 | skype don't release the source code for their app |
| 02:10.23 | TehKewl1 | but there is so many incentives for them to do so |
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| 02:12.02 | Renze | DawnLight: the alt-shift stuff is part of xkb, not kde. kde has it's own shortcut for toggling layouts |
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| 02:13.56 | Renze | the default is alt+shift+k, I believe |
| 02:13.58 | Renze | DawnLight: if you need assistance with setxkbmap, #xorg is the channel |
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| 02:14.46 | TehKewl1 | trolltech's logo really should be "Code Less, Create Moar" |
| 02:14.59 | Renze | Moar? |
| 02:15.24 | TehKewl1 | y'know, because they are "Troll"Tech |
| 02:15.32 | Renze | I don't get it |
| 02:15.54 | DawnLight | then Renze, how do i use kde to change layouts? |
| 02:16.07 | TehKewl1 | go over to irc://irc.bantown.com/ed |
| 02:16.10 | TehKewl1 | and you'll get it |
| 02:16.23 | TehKewl1 | you don't spend enough time around trolls :P |
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| 02:16.37 | hydrogen | so they should set their logo due to an obscure irc channel on an obscure irc network? |
| 02:16.38 | Renze | DawnLight: kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts, scroll to the bottom and see what your shortcut is set to |
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| 02:17.29 | TehKewl1 | wait... I meant slogan |
| 02:17.31 | TehKewl1 | not logo |
| 02:17.31 | TehKewl1 | :S |
| 02:17.39 | hydrogen | my comment still applies |
| 02:17.45 | TehKewl1 | no, because that's how trolls talk |
| 02:18.02 | hydrogen | i wasn't aware of that |
| 02:18.04 | Renze | I still don't get it |
| 02:18.07 | hydrogen | no troll I've ever met talked like that |
| 02:18.14 | TehKewl1 | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/moar |
| 02:19.02 | TehKewl1 | probably nsfw |
| 02:19.40 | hydrogen | okay |
| 02:19.40 | hydrogen | so |
| 02:20.44 | hydrogen | the trolls should change their slogan because of not only an irc channel that one ones ever heard of, on a network no ones ever heard of, but also because an encyclopedia no ones ever heard of, that is a poorly skinned mediawiki, and is nsfw |
| 02:21.07 | TehKewl1 | yep |
| 02:21.16 | TehKewl1 | just for the lulz |
| 02:22.16 | Lanken | gawd encyclopaedia dramatica is horrible. |
| 02:22.19 | Lanken | get that crap out of here. |
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| 02:24.29 | Renze | I am ashamed to call myself part of the human race when stuff like that exists |
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| 02:24.45 | TehKewl1 | anyway, skype could gpl their app |
| 02:24.52 | Alethes | Renze: You'd be lying anyway |
| 02:24.59 | TehKewl1 | then they wouldn't have to pay Trolltech royalties |
| 02:25.02 | Renze | Alethes: about being human? |
| 02:25.03 | DawnLight | Renze, when i try to set it to alt+shift it shows alt+iso_prev_group |
| 02:25.59 | Alethes | Renze: indeed |
| 02:25.59 | Lanken | Alethes: yeah, he's a script, I thought. |
| 02:26.01 | TehKewl1 | and they wouldn't have to pay devs |
| 02:26.01 | Alethes | RenzeBot |
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| 02:26.01 | TehKewl1 | they could just rake in teh dollars |
| 02:26.01 | Renze | DawnLight: you can't set it to alt-shift... that's not how shortcuts work in KDE... it needs a real key, not just modifiers |
| 02:26.01 | k0 | is there a way to get your tasklist to show on the panel, it did onces and now im not sure what i did but they dnt |
| 02:26.06 | Renze | k0: right click panel, add applet to panel, taskbar applet |
| 02:26.21 | Alethes | which distro isn't doing that by default? |
| 02:26.28 | k0 | lol i knew it was an applet i might have uninstalled or unmerged |
| 02:27.10 | k0 | Renze: cheers mate i wanted to just make sure |
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| 02:29.04 | k0 | Renze: how come my kwallet and knetworkmanger dnt show |
| 02:29.39 | Renze | k0: why have I suddenly become the target of all your questions? there are 291 other people in here |
| 02:29.54 | Alethes | Renze: 'cause you're the only helpful person here :) |
| 02:29.54 | Gapdragon | lmao |
| 02:29.55 | DawnLight | should i use xkb for showing the scroll led, or is there a kde way? |
| 02:29.55 | k0 | Renze: sry mate |
| 02:30.09 | Renze | my distro doesn't even have knetworkmanager |
| 02:30.27 | k0 | anyone else know why? |
| 02:30.43 | Gapdragon | start them and it will ask if you want them to start at boot |
| 02:30.48 | Alethes | hah |
| 02:31.01 | k0 | its started doesnt show tho |
| 02:31.16 | Renze | are you also missing the system tray applet? |
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| 02:31.27 | Alethes | Renze: see? :D |
| 02:31.32 | k0 | kwallet starts on startup, its how my knetworkmanger gets its password |
| 02:31.36 | Renze | Alethes: quiet, you! |
| 02:31.40 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 02:31.45 | k0 | Renze: thats it |
| 02:31.52 | k0 | nice one |
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| 02:32.39 | TehKewl1 | wow I forgot how good azureus is for a java app |
| 02:32.40 | TehKewl1 | <3 |
| 02:33.18 | Renze | Alethes: kinda like those people who do a half-arsed install of KDE then wonder why features are missing ;) |
| 02:33.30 | Alethes | indeed |
| 02:33.53 | Alethes | those are almost as annoying as people that whine about the lack of cooperation from "M$" |
| 02:34.09 | k0 | Alethes: i was unmerge alot of apps yday and i guessed did a dumb thing |
| 02:34.15 | Alethes | Renze: haha |
| 02:34.36 | TehKewl1 | hell we give more support than microsoft |
| 02:34.37 | Alethes | k0: eh, it's not really that big of a deal, I'm just tired and grumpy |
| 02:34.38 | TehKewl1 | :P |
| 02:34.49 | Fran | duh? |
| 02:34.58 | TehKewl1 | microsoft are just like "k pay moar money plz" |
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| 02:35.34 | Alethes | TehKewl1: they are a business after all |
| 02:35.41 | TehKewl1 | so are trolltech :P |
| 02:35.42 | k0 | TehKewl1: no one asked you to help, its out the goodness people choose to help |
| 02:35.46 | Alethes | I don't really care about MS's business tactics |
| 02:35.56 | Alethes | I'm not a windows hater, I just like linux more |
| 02:36.07 | Alethes | and don't really feel like spending money when it's unnecessary |
| 02:36.32 | TehKewl1 | personally I would be delighted if more companies would release their software on linux |
| 02:36.44 | Alethes | I feel lost on windows these days heh heh |
| 02:36.45 | TehKewl1 | I mean, you don't have to open source if ffs |
| 02:37.01 | Renze | Alethes: I feel frustrated on Windows, because it is so hard to do simple things |
| 02:37.05 | Alethes | yeah |
| 02:37.07 | Alethes | likewise |
| 02:37.35 | Alethes | then I laugh when windows users complain about how difficult linux is |
| 02:37.43 | Alethes | I can't imagine how they get this opinion |
| 02:38.12 | Renze | Alethes: they see "free" and think "inferior" |
| 02:38.25 | shal3r | can i automatically remove dead items from KDE menu? |
| 02:38.31 | Alethes | "can it run my windows games?" "no, can windows run my linux apps?" |
| 02:38.39 | l_n | is there a way to build konqueror without the rest of kdebase? |
| 02:38.41 | Renze | shal3r: run kbuildsycoca as user |
| 02:39.00 | shal3r | Renze, doesn`t help |
| 02:39.18 | Alethes | shal3r: he didn't say it would |
| 02:39.18 | Renze | shal3r: then you have stale .desktop files somewhere... find them |
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| 02:39.21 | Alethes | he just wanted you to run it |
| 02:39.23 | Alethes | :D |
| 02:40.54 | Alethes | I think most of the issues I've had with kde are going to finally be resolved in kde4 |
| 02:41.03 | Alethes | based on what I've heard and read |
| 02:41.12 | Renze | my only issue was artsd, but I've already disposed of that :D |
| 02:41.17 | Alethes | hehe |
| 02:42.28 | Alethes | my issues are: crystal icons that I hate, chaotic config guis that are being simplified if I understand correctly and wanting a standalone file manager |
| 02:42.44 | Renze | Alethes: ah, so it's YOUR fault! |
| 02:42.53 | Alethes | what is? |
| 02:42.54 | Renze | all the flamewars on the Dot |
| 02:43.02 | Renze | about Dolphin |
| 02:43.02 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 02:43.16 | Alethes | I love dolphin |
| 02:43.24 | Renze | I'm using dolphin right now |
| 02:43.31 | Alethes | I'm using it too |
| 02:43.35 | Renze | needs a better name, though |
| 02:43.40 | Alethes | it's not 100% yet,but it's nice still |
| 02:43.47 | Alethes | yeah, like koffin |
| 02:43.51 | Renze | the current name is too... gnome-like |
| 02:43.56 | Alethes | haha, I was just gonna say that |
| 02:44.23 | Alethes | we could call it george, since nautilus is like lenny |
| 02:44.28 | Alethes | (of mice and men reference) |
| 02:44.35 | Renze | I have yet to read Of Mice and Men |
| 02:44.39 | Alethes | ah |
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| 02:44.45 | Alethes | lenny is big and dumb |
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| 02:45.07 | hydrogen | knautilus :() |
| 02:45.11 | Alethes | hehehe |
| 02:45.23 | Renze | meaningless names are gnome's legacy... the name should reflect its purpose |
| 02:45.44 | Alethes | I don't have a problem with that, but K* gets annoying to me |
| 02:45.44 | hydrogen | like Amarok? |
| 02:45.46 | hydrogen | or kopete? |
| 02:45.53 | Renze | hydrogen: you have a point there |
| 02:45.55 | hydrogen | or uhh.. konqueror? |
| 02:46.06 | hydrogen | or half of kde apps :) |
| 02:46.07 | Alethes | but I just use --caption and make it all task based |
| 02:46.29 | hydrogen | kate.. |
| 02:46.36 | Alethes | I actually modified the branding on firefox to show "Web Browser" instead of "Firefox" |
| 02:46.38 | Lanken | kile |
| 02:46.40 | Renze | kate is an acronym |
| 02:46.49 | Lanken | so is kile |
| 02:46.57 | Alethes | king <-- kde is not gnome |
| 02:47.04 | hydrogen | but unless you know the acronym its not that helpful |
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| 02:47.55 | Renze | names like okular and phonon hint at their purpose at least |
| 02:48.03 | DawnLight | i'm going to try koffice, although it's not translated to hebrwe yet. what will koshell be good for? |
| 02:48.19 | Alethes | why would you try koffice? |
| 02:48.21 | Lanken | konsole is a hot name. |
| 02:48.23 | Alethes | it's the pits, imo |
| 02:48.33 | Renze | Alethes: I like koffice |
| 02:48.38 | Alethes | I can't stand it |
| 02:48.42 | Renze | Alethes: it doesn everything I need |
| 02:48.46 | Renze | does* |
| 02:48.47 | DawnLight | Alethes, to see if it's bettter then openoffice |
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| 02:49.04 | Alethes | it is speed-wise heh |
| 02:49.07 | Renze | openoffice doesn't do much other than consuming all my ram and swap |
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| 02:49.30 | k0 | is kde4 stable? |
| 02:49.33 | Renze | no |
| 02:49.35 | Fran | no |
| 02:49.38 | DawnLight | the java in openoffice doesn't like me |
| 02:49.39 | hydrogen | if it was stable it would be released |
| 02:49.40 | hydrogen | :) |
| 02:50.00 | Lanken | openoffice takes as longer to start up than to install as a binary. It's not for impatient people. |
| 02:50.00 | Renze | the current release date for kde 4.0 is October 23rd |
| 02:50.03 | k0 | goo point |
| 02:50.11 | Fran | well,by the way many unstable products are released out there,not an universal rule :) |
| 02:50.28 | Alethes | they let Renze out |
| 02:50.30 | k0 | poeple look answering questions here dnt they, |
| 02:50.46 | Renze | Alethes: the people at the institution stamped my hand |
| 02:50.50 | Alethes | hehe |
| 02:51.07 | Renze | see? it says "sane" |
| 02:51.17 | Alethes | oooo nice |
| 02:51.28 | Alethes | I see you licked off the "in" |
| 02:51.35 | Renze | >.> |
| 02:51.40 | Renze | <.< |
| 02:51.46 | Renze | ^_^ |
| 02:51.51 | Alethes | heh |
| 02:52.17 | hydrogen | !search sanein |
| 02:52.22 | hydrogen | I don't get it :( |
| 02:52.23 | hydrogen | :) |
| 02:52.32 | lilltiger | "It wasent meeee, it was.. my pig!!" =D |
| 02:52.58 | Alethes | ok, this conversation has taken a strange turn |
| 02:53.04 | lilltiger | :D |
| 02:53.10 | Renze | pork fetishes, eh? |
| 02:53.33 | lilltiger | So when is Gnome relased for Vista? |
| 02:53.44 | hydrogen | neither of those have a KDE in them |
| 02:53.46 | hydrogen | I don't think |
| 02:54.11 | Alethes | I would suspect that Gnome will be released for Windows when they can get it working right on linux first |
| 02:54.15 | lilltiger | Knome, Kista :) |
| 02:56.00 | lilltiger | Kista would be a cool kde app :) as kista is the swe word for coffin :) |
| 02:56.08 | DawnLight | i started out linux with gnome because i liked it's name better and it didn't take long to switch to kde. only thing i liked was the seperators on the panels! |
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| 02:57.26 | Alethes | I didn't like kde for the longest time because I didn't like konq and I didn't like the way it looked |
| 02:58.20 | Alethes | once I knew how to make it look like I wanted it to, I was happy with it |
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| 02:58.49 | lilltiger | I was the opposit, totaly fell in love with konq, there is no better browser :) |
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| 02:59.40 | DawnLight | okay, once there is a hebrew translation - it's out with the openoffice and in with the k |
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| 03:01.36 | Alethes | I wish openoffice would just release some kinda backend that would allow for any gui to be used with all the functionality |
| 03:02.04 | Alethes | kinda like Moz did with gecko |
| 03:02.18 | hydrogen | would it have to be as buggy as gecko? |
| 03:02.27 | Renze | Alethes: the ex-proprietary codebase is too much of a mess, methinks, to separate the function out of the GUI |
| 03:02.32 | hydrogen | its already as bloated |
| 03:02.57 | Alethes | Renze: that's probably true |
| 03:03.16 | johnny69 | I'm waiting for Kde Ver 29.32 before making any rash decisions :) |
| 03:03.33 | Renze | you have a rash? |
| 03:03.44 | hydrogen | well |
| 03:03.51 | hydrogen | at the rate of four versions every 10 years |
| 03:03.57 | hydrogen | you have about 70 years to wait |
| 03:04.04 | johnny69 | Renze: None in any places you want to know about :) |
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| 03:04.21 | Renze | ah... nappyrash :D |
| 03:05.00 | johnny69 | That sounds more like a name for abad cover band. |
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| 03:56.35 | amicrawler | is there a way my streamtuner is no longer working right |
| 03:56.49 | livinded | why do some apps use kdesu be default and others do not? |
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| 03:57.07 | amicrawler | i go in to the shell and will not it just goes blank |
| 03:57.22 | livinded | I was checking the desktop file for wireshark which uses it and it's not mentioned in there, but for ettercap's gtk interface I need to manually set that |
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| 04:10.09 | Sulo_Seppa | I painted KDE4 on my pillow so that I can sleep next to it every night. |
| 04:10.31 | Hydrogen | thats kind of weird |
| 04:10.31 | Renze | Sulo_Seppa: sicko ;) |
| 04:13.58 | Jucato | disturbing |
| 04:14.11 | Jucato | at least I painted it on my shirt only... |
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| 04:14.19 | Jucato | (or at least planning to) |
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| 04:14.36 | livinded | I wish I had a nice silk screened kde shirt |
| 04:14.42 | r3factored | is there anything better than Kontact for email/rss/calendars? |
| 04:14.51 | r3factored | thunderbird i guess |
| 04:14.56 | TehKewl1 | "they call me the king of the spreadsheets, got em' all printed out on my bedsheets" |
| 04:14.59 | Renze | r3factored: kontact is just a container app that embeds kmail, etc |
| 04:15.15 | r3factored | Renze: ah ok - i meant kmail, kcalendar etc. |
| 04:15.21 | TehKewl1 | Renze, but it does it well :> |
| 04:15.32 | Renze | r3factored: no, there is nothing better ;) |
| 04:15.44 | TehKewl1 | not for KDE anyway |
| 04:15.49 | TehKewl1 | or anything else |
| 04:15.56 | r3factored | Renze: ha ha how bout thunderbird |
| 04:16.06 | Renze | never used it, don't particularly want to |
| 04:16.09 | r3factored | doesnt integrate though |
| 04:16.20 | Hydrogen | kmail is touch and go |
| 04:17.15 | Hydrogen | sometimes it works great |
| 04:17.15 | Hydrogen | and then other days it crashes non stop |
| 04:17.17 | livinded | I'm happy with thunderbird and have been for a while |
| 04:17.17 | Renze | Hydrogen: I must be one of the lucky ones, then |
| 04:17.17 | r3factored | Hydrogen: EXACTLY |
| 04:17.17 | livinded | you may want to try that out |
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| 04:17.17 | Renze | livinded: as soon as they port it to Qt and integrate it with KDE, sure |
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| 04:17.18 | Hydrogen | Renze: most of its crashes are related to imap |
| 04:17.19 | livinded | Renze: integration isn't always good |
| 04:17.22 | Renze | Hydrogen: ah, I only have one imap account, and it doesn't get much traffic |
| 04:17.25 | TehKewl1 | oy, quit being a Qt whore |
| 04:17.27 | TehKewl1 | ^_^ |
| 04:17.29 | Renze | livinded: it is for me |
| 04:17.29 | r3factored | livinded: Yeah i was using the beta 2 for awhile - wish i would have left it. |
| 04:17.33 | TehKewl1 | use the bindings |
| 04:17.38 | Hydrogen | I got around it but it took a bunch of messy work |
| 04:17.47 | TehKewl1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.50 | livinded | I use kde but really don't integrate anything |
| 04:17.51 | Hydrogen | like creating a local imap server that polls all the servers I use w/ fetchmail |
| 04:18.05 | Hydrogen | so that it never gets behind and crashes |
| 04:18.11 | Hydrogen | and then I switched to mailody |
| 04:18.16 | Hydrogen | and everything was good :) |
| 04:18.31 | r3factored | Hydrogen: whats mailody? |
| 04:18.42 | Hydrogen | a lightweight imap-only mail cleint for kde |
| 04:18.46 | r3factored | ahh ok |
| 04:18.53 | Hydrogen | its nice :) |
| 04:19.01 | r3factored | is kde-apps.org the only place for kde stuff? |
| 04:19.01 | Hydrogen | www.mailody.net |
| 04:19.18 | r3factored | Hydrogen: thanks ill check that out. |
| 04:19.21 | livinded | Renze: what's so good about having everything integrated? |
| 04:19.50 | r3factored | livinded: its the habit of growin up in a microsoft gestapo environment ;) |
| 04:20.02 | Renze | livinded: being able to see in kmail when my contacts are online via kopete, and having kopete's contacts linked to kaddressbook so details can get updated with ease |
| 04:20.20 | Renze | I used Windows for a total of 9 months |
| 04:20.23 | Renze | it sucked |
| 04:20.33 | livinded | ya, I use gaim instead of kopete |
| 04:20.43 | Jucato | "integration" is not synonymous to "microsoft". never was |
| 04:20.45 | r3factored | Jucato: ahhh lol ok - i stand corrected |
| 04:20.51 | livinded | I think the only kde app I really use is konsole |
| 04:20.58 | r3factored | Jucato: I know I meant the whole 'outlook' thing. |
| 04:20.59 | Renze | livinded: then why are you here? |
| 04:21.00 | Jucato | "broken integration" could probably be, though.. |
| 04:21.08 | livinded | Renze: because I use kde... |
| 04:21.17 | Renze | <livinded> I think the only kde app I really use is konsole |
| 04:21.36 | livinded | kde isn't a kde app, it's kde |
| 04:21.40 | r3factored | I use Yakuake more than anything but its not a kde-specific app |
| 04:21.43 | Jucato | r3factored: kontact implements integration *very* differently from outlook |
| 04:21.54 | livinded | oh, and I use kdebluetooth |
| 04:21.59 | Jucato | outloot and evolution are more related to each other than kontact |
| 04:22.12 | Jucato | outlook* |
| 04:22.12 | r3factored | Jucato: interesting. I use it now. i like that the feeds, etc are all together. |
| 04:22.46 | r3factored | livinded: kbluetooth was a b**** for me to setup |
| 04:22.49 | Jucato | r3factored: but those are done through kparts. evolution and outlook are both one massive app. kontact is just a "wrapper" to kdepim apps (kmail, korganizer, akregator, etc) |
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| 04:23.04 | livinded | r3factored: I built a fedora package for it |
| 04:23.06 | r3factored | Jucato: hey didnt know that - thats a very good thing. |
| 04:23.18 | livinded | and a slackbuild/slackware package |
| 04:23.27 | r3factored | anyone here been successful syncing a blackberry to kde? |
| 04:23.37 | r3factored | i tried those barry-utils without success |
| 04:23.52 | livinded | I know that debian has a package in their repo, but don't know what distro you're using |
| 04:23.56 | Renze | Jucato: and it'll only get better in KDE4 :D |
| 04:24.07 | Jucato | Renze: hopefully :) |
| 04:24.18 | r3factored | Renze: Yes i cant wait for 4 |
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| 04:24.28 | Renze | October 23 |
| 04:24.30 | r3factored | livinded: were you talking to me? |
| 04:24.33 | livinded | r3factored: yes |
| 04:24.34 | Renze | but that will probably change |
| 04:24.49 | r3factored | livinded: ill check that out - whats it called? im running kubuntu |
| 04:24.57 | Hydrogen | isn't kdepim in really bad shape for an october release? |
| 04:25.00 | Hydrogen | i think I remember hearing that |
| 04:25.02 | livinded | r3factored: apt-get search kdebluetooth |
| 04:25.19 | livinded | it may be in there, but you need to be sure that you have blueZ-2.x rather than 3.x |
| 04:25.20 | r3factored | livinded: oh ok - i already have that - i need something to sync my blackberry ;) |
| 04:25.23 | Jucato | Hydrogen: the guys at #kontact would know best about that |
| 04:25.36 | livinded | your blackberry should be able to sync with it |
| 04:25.49 | livinded | or maybe kmobiletools |
| 04:26.15 | r3factored | livinded: I finally got bluetooth working - was trying to get my bt headset to work with skype (unsucessfull) |
| 04:26.28 | r3factored | livinded: ! ill check that thanks |
| 04:26.33 | livinded | my main interest is bluetooth security and BlueZ programming rather than using it for a practical purpose |
| 04:26.41 | Jucato | Hydrogen: but kdepim for KDE 4 development has mostly been focused on Akonadi, and lately khalkhi (don't know this one...) |
| 04:26.54 | livinded | so unfortunatly I don't really know much about syncing phones with it |
| 04:27.06 | Hydrogen | and akonadi isn't supposed to be done for 4.0 either |
| 04:27.11 | Hydrogen | which means pim will be in a bad state |
| 04:27.18 | Sulo_Seppa | I am thinking of naming my son KDE4 |
| 04:27.20 | Hydrogen | mailody is porting though so I'm set! |
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| 04:27.29 | Renze | Sulo_Seppa: seek professional help |
| 04:27.47 | Jucato | Hydrogen: most KDE 4 stuff won't be in a "perfect" state by KDE 4.0 anyway. kde 4 != kde 4.0 slogan right? :) |
| 04:28.06 | Hydrogen | Jucato: nod |
| 04:28.20 | Jucato | anyway... we'll see if they really make it to Oct. 23 :D |
| 04:28.20 | livinded | dbus in kde 4 will be nice, kdebluetooth will finally work with blueZ 3.x |
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| 04:42.57 | BrownFrog | Very odd; on Debian Etch, for some reason it's showing the correct time in Fluxbox and in GNOME (and in the BIOS), but not in KDE. Because I also boot Windows, I have my clock set to local time instead of UTC, yet in "Adjust Date/Time", it says that my timezone is "Los Angeles/America/US/Pacific Time (UTC)"! |
| 04:43.20 | BrownFrog | How can I tell it that Pacific Time != UTC? ;) |
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| 04:50.49 | chealer | BrownFrog: hah |
| 04:51.10 | chealer | BrownFrog: same here |
| 04:51.45 | BrownFrog | chealer: Did it also happen after you installed another Linux distro alongside your current one? |
| 04:52.34 | chealer | BrownFrog: if you find the reason for this, let me know; I have the good (local) timezone for the clock but wrong time in e.g. konversation. |
| 04:53.09 | BrownFrog | chealer: Will do! I'm trying #debian-kde next... |
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| 04:54.11 | chealer | BrownFrog: I installed Windows, then etch about 5 times, then Mandriva 2007, then Etch 1 or 2 times. |
| 04:54.19 | Sulo_Seppa | What can I do to speed the production of KDE4? |
| 04:54.24 | Sulo_Seppa | I will sell my wife |
| 04:54.31 | Sulo_Seppa | if that's what it takes.. |
| 04:54.40 | chealer | BrownFrog: I'm not clear on when that issue started though. #debian-kde is a good idea :) |
| 04:54.55 | chealer | Sulo_Seppa: ask on #kde-devel |
| 04:55.03 | BrownFrog | Sulo_Seppa: Well, there's always getting a faster processor/hard-drive (Core 2 Quad with Raptor perhaps?) ;) |
| 04:55.31 | chealer | what's Raptor? |
| 04:55.59 | qupada | western digital 10,000rpm sata drives |
| 04:56.06 | qupada | really bad value for money |
| 04:56.16 | BrownFrog | chealer: http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=190 |
| 04:56.28 | chealer | BrownFrog: ah, a HD. OK |
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| 04:56.39 | BrownFrog | chealer: And I agree with qupada, it's a bad deal for the money, but the guy wants fast at any cost... |
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| 04:56.52 | BrownFrog | chealer: (I like the Seagate 7200.10's; have a 500GB here) |
| 04:57.34 | qupada | if you want fast, you're better off with a nice raid controller and a bunch of 500GB 7200rpm drives in raid5 |
| 04:58.00 | chealer | BrownFrog: you'll probably find that $ date; gives you the UTC time, which is probably the underlying issue. if that's the case #debian may be the best place to ask. |
| 04:58.03 | BrownFrog | qupada: I haven't had much luck with RAID in Linux, but that's another story... |
| 04:58.05 | qupada | i mean if you're going for the really perverse, raid5 array of WD raptors, but whatever |
| 04:58.30 | qupada | BrownFrog: indeed. 90% of the problem is finding a controller that works nicely |
| 04:58.42 | BrownFrog | chealer: What do you mean by the $ date? |
| 04:59.05 | chealer | BrownFrog: date(1), the shell command |
| 04:59.06 | Renze | output from the date command |
| 04:59.18 | BrownFrog | chealer: Yeah, I'd think that a 100% hardware controller would be ideal; most of my experience is with my Dad's machines, which use motherboard RAID (ick) |
| 04:59.26 | BrownFrog | chealer: Ah, ok; I'll check |
| 04:59.41 | qupada | yeah, software or semi-hardware raid is just not fun |
| 05:00.30 | BrownFrog | chealer: Uh oh, you're right; the Sabayon installer must have done something funky. $ date -> Fri Mar 23 21:59:51 UTC 2007 |
| 05:00.45 | chealer | BrownFrog: you must have been talking to qupada; I have no idea about HDs besides noise level, as shown by my question :) |
| 05:01.08 | BrownFrog | chealer, qupada: Whoops, sorry; Konversation colored you both the same ;) |
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| 05:01.41 | Renze | yup :( |
| 05:02.05 | chealer | BrownFrog: I doubt installing another distro would screw up the time this way, unless it modified files from your Etch install (which is unlikely) |
| 05:02.07 | qupada | Renze: heh, at least they're trying now |
| 05:02.09 | Hydrogen | because the nicks that look the most alike always get the same colors.. |
| 05:02.24 | BrownFrog | chealer: Could just be weird timing, I suppose |
| 05:02.32 | qupada | samsung's $600 32GB 1.8" SSD is one hell of an improvement on everything else |
| 05:02.56 | chealer | BrownFrog: I imagine it's a Debian bug. |
| 05:03.08 | BrownFrog | chealer: That's very possible; I'll ask on #debian now |
| 05:03.21 | BrownFrog | chealer: Good idea checking the date(1) command; I wouldn't have thought of that |
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| 05:06.25 | qupada | Renze: you're getting angry with the fans too then? |
| 05:06.33 | Renze | qupada: always have been ;) |
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| 05:23.03 | BrownFrog | I forget who it was now, but I manged to solve the timezone problem |
| 05:23.17 | Renze | it was chealer |
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| 05:24.20 | BrownFrog | chealer: I just ran tzconfig, then rebooted; during the reboot, I went into the BIOS and corrected the time due to Debian's insistance in saving the system clock to the BIOS every reboot |
| 05:26.32 | chealer | "Your current time zone is set to Unknown" |
| 05:26.36 | chealer | interesting |
| 05:26.40 | BrownFrog | chealer: Yup, same problem I was having |
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| 05:26.44 | chealer | thanks BrownFrog |
| 05:26.50 | BrownFrog | chealer: no problem :) |
| 05:27.13 | BrownFrog | chealer: Hope it works for you too! |
| 05:27.50 | alana | #gnome |
| 05:27.54 | alana | oups |
| 05:28.17 | subramanyam | Hi Guys |
| 05:28.25 | chealer | BrownFrog: setting the timezone shouldn't hurt :) |
| 05:28.29 | subramanyam | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.38 | BrownFrog | chealer: I'd certainly hope not ;) |
| 05:29.01 | chealer | BrownFrog: that fixed date(1) and konversation for now |
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| 05:30.52 | BrownFrog | chealer: That probably fixed the problem then; just make sure to check the BIOS date/time next boot! |
| 05:30.54 | chealer | BrownFrog: and Adjust Date/Time. strange behavior anyway |
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| 05:32.56 | chealer | hwclock: "sam 24 mar 2007 05:31:20 EDT -0.471718 seconds" that looks wrong though |
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| 05:34.25 | chealer | and would explain why the KDE clock went wrong. fixed with NTP :) |
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| 05:35.19 | BrownFrog | chealer: Hooray for NTP ;) |
| 05:35.20 | chealer | BrownFrog: when did you install your Etch? |
| 05:35.32 | BrownFrog | chealer: A few months ago |
| 05:35.47 | BrownFrog | chealer: It's one of my oldest surviving distros installed on my computer |
| 05:36.17 | BrownFrog | chealer: (I tend to distro-hop a lot ;) Debian seems to be my favorite though) |
| 05:36.23 | chealer | BrownFrog: oh well, I installed mine start of february |
| 05:37.08 | BrownFrog | chealer: As the problems occured at the same time, I kind of wonder if one of the recent updates did it |
| 05:37.39 | chealer | BrownFrog: the problem started at least a week ago for me. |
| 05:37.54 | chealer | it may be there since the install |
| 05:38.59 | BrownFrog | chealer: I've been trying out Ubuntu Feisty more recently, so if the problem did occur because of a recent update, I wouldn't be 100% sure when |
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| 07:59.23 | DawnLight | can i use konquerer to make a directory invisible? |
| 07:59.48 | Jucato | DawnLight: put a . before the directory name? |
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| 08:00.16 | DawnLight | won't that break all the links to that directory jucato |
| 08:00.31 | Jucato | right... |
| 08:01.00 | Jucato | hm... no ideas... |
| 08:01.26 | mdeanda | DawnLight: i suppose you can make a link to the hidden directory, but then you'd have a visible link, pointing to an invisible directory. :) |
| 08:01.38 | DawnLight | is that what an invisible file means? a "." before the name? |
| 08:01.57 | DawnLight | that's a nice pointless idea :) |
| 08:02.31 | Renze | DawnLight: open a konsole and type ls, then ls -a and see how much more you can see ;) |
| 08:03.08 | Jucato | hi Renze! |
| 08:03.19 | Jucato | too late :) |
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| 08:03.24 | Renze | 'lo Jucato |
| 08:03.29 | Jucato | :P |
| 08:03.34 | chealer | mdeanda: heh |
| 08:03.48 | DawnLight | my racing team |
| 08:04.37 | DawnLight | sponsored by kde |
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| 08:07.25 | mdeanda | kde has money to sponser a team? awesome! |
| 08:07.54 | Jucato | Renze: yeah, what's keeping them? -_- |
| 08:08.09 | DawnLight | contenders are Jucati and Mercedes-Renze |
| 08:08.27 | Renze | fyi, the e on the end of my name isn't silent ;) |
| 08:08.54 | DawnLight | hmmm |
| 08:09.33 | Jucato | yeah, it's not silent. it talks a lot... |
| 08:09.38 | DawnLight | don't tell anyone |
| 08:09.40 | mdeanda | Renze: is that your real name? |
| 08:09.43 | Renze | yes |
| 08:09.43 | mdeanda | Jucato: lol |
| 08:09.55 | Jucato | and occasionally brings a friend along with it (Renze2) |
| 08:10.03 | Renze | that's just my evil twin |
| 08:10.25 | Renze | ...or am I the evil one - I forget |
| 08:10.25 | Jucato | how are we to know that *you* are not the evil twin? :) |
| 08:10.31 | Renze | snap! |
| 08:10.38 | Jucato | snapple :P |
| 08:10.44 | qupada | Renze: good, evil, both good choices |
| 08:10.45 | Jucato | or is it snaple? |
| 08:11.47 | Jucato | good, evil, both good,evil choices |
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| 08:15.43 | mdeanda | can one of you guys help me out a little with an osd thing? i'm looking at the amarok code and i'm having trouble understanding how it paints to the desktop.. http://websvn.kde.org/branches/amarok/1.3/src/osd.cpp?view=markup |
| 08:16.14 | mdeanda | i'm starting to get the impression it paints onto itself, and appears as a borderless window.. is that correct? |
| 08:16.17 | Jucato | mdeanda: tried asking the devs in #amarok? |
| 08:16.35 | Renze | mdeanda: I think the amarok osd stuff is just an unmanaged shaped window |
| 08:16.39 | Jucato | OSD's are a very app-specific implementation afaik. Konvi implements its own stuff |
| 08:16.41 | mdeanda | ahh.. i feel stupid.. i thought to look in #kde-devel |
| 08:16.43 | Jucato | for example |
| 08:17.26 | Jucato | mdeanda: well considering that Amarok's OSD is its own... better ask in #amarok or if you want Konvi's OSD, in #konversation |
| 08:17.30 | mdeanda | Jucato: but what i said just now... is that the "normal" way to do it? |
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| 08:19.54 | mdeanda | Jucato: thanks. asking in amarok now. are you familar with konvi stuff? i've never used it so i don't know how their osd looks/works |
| 08:20.37 | Renze | bah, you've done patches ;) |
| 08:20.51 | mdeanda | lol.. maybe that was evil Jucato? |
| 08:21.17 | qupada | Renze: done patches? did anyone ever stop and ask what patches thought about that? for that matter, who or what is patches? |
| 08:21.32 | Renze | a small puppy |
| 08:21.33 | Jucato | I said I'm not familiar, not that I'm ignorant of code in general :P |
| 08:21.33 | sredna | mdeanda: it seems they use a gransperant widget |
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| 08:22.39 | mdeanda | sredna: ah, is that what setBackgroundMode (NoBackground) does? hehe.. so i guess that's the way i'm gonna do mine too. :) |
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| 08:23.55 | mdeanda | omg, the guys at #amarok are crazy! typing "wocka" all over the place.. heh |
| 08:24.13 | PPP|SpOOnman | hello |
| 08:24.31 | PPP|SpOOnman | where can I report problems using this recipe : http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 ?] |
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| 08:24.40 | Renze | mdeanda: wocka! |
| 08:24.50 | Renze | PPP|SpOOnman: #kde4-devel |
| 08:24.56 | PPP|SpOOnman | hank you |
| 08:24.59 | PPP|SpOOnman | *thank you |
| 08:25.03 | Renze | no, my name isn't hank :D |
| 08:25.05 | sabayonlive-2423 | hello using kde 3.5.6 on a live dvd sabayon. clicking knetworkmanager as the normal sabayonuser does not start anything |
| 08:25.17 | mdeanda | yeah.. i just went back to that tab to see if anybody responded and the screen was filled with wocka wocka wocka wocka... |
| 08:25.34 | Renze | mdeanda: maybe they're busy playing Pacman? |
| 08:25.45 | qupada | heh, text-mode pacman |
| 08:28.30 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.58 | qupada | heh, if you're vegeing i'd better make sure i replaced your couch with a really big wok like i was planning |
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| 08:29.15 | Renze | wocka? |
| 08:29.23 | qupada | no, bad |
| 08:29.34 | mdeanda | wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocwocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka ka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wocka wwocka wocka wocka wocka wocka ocka |
| 08:29.35 | Renze | wocka! |
| 08:29.47 | Renze | vege out time |
| 08:29.57 | Jucato | O.o |
| 08:30.08 | Jucato | pray you don't get kicked :P |
| 08:30.24 | mdeanda | ahh.. looks like some person TehKewl1 was trying to get people's attention.. heh |
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| 08:31.45 | Jucato | not a very good way to get attention, imho |
| 08:31.59 | Jucato | of course, getting kicked is a form of attention... |
| 08:32.25 | qupada | and there's no such thing as bad attention |
| 08:32.28 | qupada | :D |
| 08:33.05 | Jucato | only unwanted attention? |
| 08:33.19 | Jucato | but then again if it's unwanted, why try to get attention? :) |
| 08:34.24 | TehKewl1 | who me? |
| 08:34.24 | narutosan | anybody working on KDEPrint |
| 08:34.28 | narutosan | ?? |
| 08:35.01 | Lanken | I've been pricing linux laptops, and I need some information. How big a compromise would I be making if the graphics card were an "embedded Intel Graphics Media Accelerator"? They're quoting "up to 224 MB of shared video RAM". Would that mean it's .... not a GPU at all, just some graphical addons to the cpu? |
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| 08:35.41 | Jucato | narutosan: orochimaru is |
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| 08:36.30 | mdeanda | Lanken: my understanding is that i made a bad choice by going with ati graphics on my laptop... i think nvidia would be best even though their drivers are proprietary, i don't mind since they seem to work well. |
| 08:36.32 | narutosan | Jucato: but why him ........?????????? |
| 08:36.37 | narutosan | ;) |
| 08:36.48 | Jucato | narutosan: I think pipitas is the kdeprint guy. you might want to ask in #kde-devel |
| 08:37.01 | Jucato | afaik he's also working on #cups |
| 08:37.40 | Lanken | mdeanda: my current laptop has an old ATI GPU. It's too old for fglrx, so I'm using "radeon," which is lousy on 3d, especially if you've got dual-head running. |
| 08:37.40 | mdeanda | hey Jucato you seem to know everybody who works on stuff... how much time do you spend on here? you seem to be on whenever i come to #kde :) |
| 08:37.47 | Jucato | Intel might be the best if you're really license conscious... afaik their drivers are completely open source |
| 08:37.52 | narutosan | Jucato: ok thanx!! no orochimaru again !! just naruto!!san!! |
| 08:37.55 | narutosan | ;) |
| 08:37.58 | Jucato | mdeanda: I'm only not here when I'm asleep :) |
| 08:38.12 | Jucato | narutosan: I'll try to remember that dattebayo |
| 08:38.27 | Jucato | (but I won't promise dattebayo :P) |
| 08:38.29 | mdeanda | Jucato: really! you don't go to school or work or anything? that's awesome! i'm jealous |
| 08:38.52 | Jucato | mdeanda: don't be... I've had no work for 2 years now... :( |
| 08:39.02 | Jucato | even though I'm a college grad... / |
| 08:39.02 | Jucato | :/ |
| 08:39.23 | mdeanda | what kind of work are you looking for? |
| 08:39.53 | Jucato | for now, not looking.... |
| 08:40.09 | mdeanda | ahh.. so is that the problem? but if you were looking.. what would it be? |
| 08:40.11 | Jucato | I can't... and I don't have enough credentials to get a work that I would possibly want |
| 08:40.26 | mdeanda | oic. |
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| 08:40.49 | Jucato | anything to do w/ computers, except hardware <--- dream job... |
| 08:40.53 | mdeanda | Jucato: so you need more schooling for credentials? or whats the situation? |
| 08:41.04 | Jucato | preferably software and programming... but I don't have the knowledge... so Im studying... |
| 08:41.17 | Lanken | Jucato: I'm not really dedicated to open drivers. Since drivers are for specific hardware, the free-software argument doesn't seem so compelling as for apps. |
| 08:41.21 | Jucato | mdeanda: sort of... I have a degree in Philosophy... not really that credible for an IT job... :( |
| 08:41.52 | TehKewl1 | what the hell kinda job is a degree in Philosophy supposed to get you? |
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| 08:42.16 | Jucato | teaching... call centers (eek!) |
| 08:42.18 | mdeanda | TehKewl1: haven't you heard of socrates?! |
| 08:42.25 | TehKewl1 | I have |
| 08:42.27 | TehKewl1 | but he dead |
| 08:42.32 | Lanken | it can get you a job on wall street, or with high-paying consulting firms, if it's a philosophy degree from a prestigious university. |
| 08:42.47 | Jucato | mdeanda: the guy who was forced to drink hemlock? :D |
| 08:42.47 | TehKewl1 | university is overrated |
| 08:42.49 | TehKewl1 | ^_^ |
| 08:43.10 | Jucato | TehKewl1: still helps if you have one on your resume |
| 08:43.11 | mdeanda | Jucato: yeah, i didn't study philosophy, so i didn't know that.. hehe |
| 08:43.33 | Jucato | mdeanda: he was condemned to death by drinking hemlock.. for teaching philosophy |
| 08:43.48 | mdeanda | Jucato: ahhh.. yeah.. reading wikipedia right now.. :) |
| 08:44.06 | Jucato | heh :) |
| 08:44.51 | mdeanda | "Socrates turned down the pleas of Crito to attempt an escape from prison. After drinking the poison, he was instructed to walk around until his limbs felt heavy." lol.. i can imagine.. "drink this!", "ok", "now walk around", "ok" |
| 08:45.51 | Lanken | Jucato: it seems that going from the integrated intel graphics gadget to a 256 MB nVidia GPU adds ~$500 to the price of the package. Does that seem like too much? I don't think I can afford a GPU. |
| 08:46.20 | mdeanda | Lanken: if you're not going to play games on the laptop, i don't think its worth it. |
| 08:46.40 | Jucato | Lanken: hm... I haven't personally used an Intel IGP with Linux yet.. I'll get my first taste of it next week :/ |
| 08:46.50 | mdeanda | $500 could get you half way towards a desktop computer as well. |
| 08:47.06 | Bille | Jucato: it can be done - i have a degree in german literature and an IT job :) |
| 08:47.17 | Lanken | mdeanda: a desktop GPU is still a few hundred bucks, right? |
| 08:47.40 | Jucato | Bille: but I'm sure you did some IT-related "sidelines" before that? or at least had some IT background (not academic) too :) |
| 08:48.15 | Bille | Jucato: i did an comp sci course for a year after the german degree. |
| 08:48.23 | Jucato | see! see!! |
| 08:48.25 | Jucato | :D |
| 08:48.33 | mdeanda | but to get one comparable to what may be in the laptop, you may get it built in.. my last mobo had an nvidia 6100 built in and it was $90US. |
| 08:48.53 | Jucato | I just wasted 2 years of my life actually trying to think of what I want... |
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| 08:49.18 | mdeanda | Jucato: but did you have fun those 2 years? that's what really matters |
| 08:49.30 | Jucato | mdeanda: who said I did? |
| 08:49.46 | Jucato | well, I did have fun from 2006-2007... when I discovered "The Joys of Linux" |
| 08:50.00 | Jucato | hm... scratch that... I wasted 3 years (graduated in 2004) |
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| 08:50.17 | Lanken | Jucato: I failed a class when I discovered those joys. They can be disruptive. |
| 08:51.15 | Jucato | oh definitely :) |
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| 08:51.49 | Lanken | just gotta make sure I graduate now =X |
| 08:51.59 | Jucato | good luck :) |
| 08:52.54 | Lanken | Jucato: you should definitely get some kind of certification. |
| 08:52.58 | Bille | nods |
| 08:53.38 | Bille | i went back to Uni and did a MSC conversion course |
| 08:53.46 | Jucato | yes I will... it's one step towards my goal of world domination |
| 08:53.55 | Jucato | oops... gotta stop thinking aloud... :/ |
| 08:54.44 | Lanken | I wish this were a $1k laptop: http://www.aslab.com/products/laptops/excaliburlt585.html |
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| 08:55.25 | Bille | i wouldn't swap my thinkpad x60 for anything now |
| 08:55.57 | Lanken | those ibms are workhorses. my friend had one die on him recently though. It lived about four years. |
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| 08:56.24 | mdeanda | Lanken: i would recommend against the msi laptops, at least the 12.1" screen ones.. i have one with ati chipset, and the keyboard on it sucks. not sure about their bigger ones though |
| 08:56.48 | Bille | at the decibel hackathon we had 8x thinkpad and one hp. the hp user was waiting for his thinkpad to be delivered... |
| 08:56.58 | DarkElf | any turkish knowed people here .? |
| 08:56.59 | mdeanda | Bille: i was thinking of getting an ibm/lenovo when i bought mine, but they didn't seem to have high resolution on their smaller models.. too bad |
| 08:57.15 | Lanken | mdeanda: msi? is that the ODM? |
| 08:57.52 | Bille | mdeanda: yeah, they are only just starting to put high res panels on the x60 now |
| 08:57.59 | mdeanda | Lanken: yeah i think so.. |
| 08:58.37 | mdeanda | Lanken: i went with them b/c a lot of resellers sold this without the m$ tax |
| 08:58.53 | Lanken | mdeanda: say what you will about Dell, but my latitude's keyboard is a really good design. Undersize cursor buttons are a terrible idea. |
| 08:59.10 | Lanken | s/buttons/keys/ |
| 08:59.22 | Jucato | Bille: you own that konqi stuffed toy? :( |
| 09:00.17 | Bille | Jucato: no, i think the e.V. does |
| 09:00.23 | mdeanda | actually my complaints about my keyboard are that it tends to miss keys entered.. so it gives me a hard time logging in :( i have to type slowly.. other problem is that i can't feel for the arrow keys.. there should be some kind of space to find them by touch. |
| 09:00.24 | Jucato | ah... |
| 09:00.59 | narutosan | Jucato: I am not getting any response from either of the channels!! |
| 09:01.20 | Lanken | mdeanda: that's pretty unacceptable. You have to type slowly all the time? |
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| 09:01.37 | Jucato | narutosan: not surprising... look at the timezones :) |
| 09:01.41 | mdeanda | not when its acceptable to misspell.. like my code is all misspelled :) |
| 09:02.03 | narutosan | oh !! but look its narutosan talking!! |
| 09:02.26 | Jucato | :P |
| 09:02.31 | Lanken | mdeanda: what if you were using gimp and needed hotkeys? I would not be able tolerate having a keyboard that "missed keys entered" |
| 09:02.43 | Jucato | narutosan: they're not from Konoha. they don't know you :P |
| 09:03.16 | narutosan | :) |
| 09:03.37 | mdeanda | Lanken: it seems to miss keys after a few.. like there is not enough power going to keyboard after a few keystokes.. its really strange.. like those cheap toy "pianos" that only let you hit 2 keys at once... |
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| 09:03.56 | mdeanda | Lanken: but a lot of people complain about the keyboard.. |
| 09:04.10 | Bille | can anyone i18n("juntos de nuevo") for me? |
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| 09:04.20 | Bille | == "together again" ? |
| 09:04.32 | Lanken | crazy. |
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| 09:04.39 | mdeanda | Bille: yes. |
| 09:04.49 | Bille | thx |
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| 09:05.12 | mdeanda | Bille: but it depends on the context, i can also mean "i want to kill you" |
| 09:05.15 | Jucato | :) |
| 09:05.15 | mdeanda | j/k! |
| 09:05.24 | Bille | lol -really? |
| 09:05.29 | Lanken | this is a pretty small question (if anyone wants me to stop with the #hardware talk, I will, and gladly): is a higher RPM hard drive worth more money? I guess you get faster read-write? |
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| 09:05.57 | mdeanda | Lanken: i don't know, but i imagine i will do a better job of keeping you lap warm. |
| 09:06.04 | DawnLight | does kde have anything for WMV? how about quicktime? realplayer? |
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| 09:06.34 | mdeanda | DawnLight: kaffiene and kmplayer, etc. can play most of those types |
| 09:06.36 | Jucato | DawnLight: it all depends on the backend used and codecs |
| 09:07.04 | mdeanda | DawnLight: are you biased towards M$? you only capitalized WMV.. ??? |
| 09:07.06 | Bille | mdeanda: "Todavia no me entra el terno"? |
| 09:07.07 | Jucato | xine needs a special w32codecs to work with WMA, WMV, and RealMedia |
| 09:07.32 | Thundercloud | Lanken: Well if the raptors are anything to go by then yes. |
| 09:09.10 | mdeanda | Bille: not sure about "terno" but "todavia" == "stil", the rest kinda depends on context, but something like "still doesn't enter my..." |
| 09:09.24 | DawnLight | so are are the recommendations for a simple video player and a backend? |
| 09:09.27 | Lanken | I wish there were a "super-duper never-fail case" option for like $100 bucks. I'm totally down with madtux.org's laptop, but the case just doesn't look that sturdy. |
| 09:10.23 | mdeanda | doesn't panasonic have some titanium cases for laptops that you can drop off a building then run over with a train and nothing will happen to it? |
| 09:10.51 | DawnLight | the case as in a carry case? |
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| 09:11.11 | mdeanda | Lanken: i assumed you mean the shell or whatever.. |
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| 09:11.35 | Lanken | DawnLight: no, maybe the shell. The part that you touch when you hold it. |
| 09:11.40 | mdeanda | Lanken: yeah, they are called "toughbooks" |
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| 09:11.52 | qupada | mdeanda: i think that's a bit of an exaggeration |
| 09:11.53 | Bille | Lanken: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/upgrade/1279251.html |
| 09:12.15 | Lanken | the refurbs retail for $1500, and that's with like 1.2 GHz and 512 MB |
| 09:12.26 | qupada | mdeanda: 2m drop onto concrete? yes, completely waterproof? yes, bulletproof? not exactly |
| 09:12.26 | DawnLight | i held one of those hadnock laptops. it was small and heavy |
| 09:12.55 | mdeanda | wow.. took a bullet! i thougth i was exagerating a minute ago |
| 09:12.58 | Lanken | we have a toughbook in my school's physics lab. |
| 09:13.32 | DawnLight | how do they keep the hard disk alive after 2m drop on concrete?? |
| 09:13.37 | Lanken | it's eventually going to Atacama, Chile, where it will be subjected to wind and rain. It's every bit as nice to use as you might expect. |
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| 09:14.00 | Lanken | DawnLight: it has a gyro sensor so that it knows it's falling, and it stops reading/writing. |
| 09:14.04 | Lanken | and retracts the heads. |
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| 09:16.43 | mdeanda | wow, some of the toughbooks claim 10 battery life |
| 09:16.46 | mdeanda | 10hr |
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| 09:17.05 | Lanken | less ram -> more life |
| 09:17.34 | mdeanda | Lanken: is that less sticks of ram? or it doesn't matter? |
| 09:17.51 | Lanken | bigger sticks take more juice, I think. |
| 09:18.10 | qupada | probably more dependent on the number of actual chips |
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| 09:19.08 | qupada | another fun trick they love in ultraportable laptops is clocking the FSB right down |
| 09:19.38 | Lanken | it's great for battery life. |
| 09:19.50 | Lanken | hey, if they can keep the interface snappy, I'm all for it. |
| 09:20.00 | qupada | heh |
| 09:20.05 | annma | Jucato: ping |
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| 09:20.23 | Jucato | annma: pong :) |
| 09:20.27 | annma | hi Jucato |
| 09:20.27 | Jucato | (wow this is a first :D) |
| 09:20.32 | Jucato | annma!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:20.33 | annma | :)) |
| 09:20.45 | qupada | i know sony use that trick in their TX series laptops. memory clock is 400MHz in the newer ones, was 266MHz until recently |
| 09:20.48 | annma | did you ever worked with Richard Weideman in *buntu? |
| 09:20.55 | DawnLight | does it yell when it's falling? |
| 09:21.12 | Lanken | DawnLight: I haven't checked. |
| 09:21.14 | annma | he is organizing an edu meeting in Seville but seems idle about it |
| 09:21.24 | Jucato | annma: hm.. the name doesn't ring a bell.. only Richard Johnson (nixternal) |
| 09:21.56 | Jucato | annma: speaking of edu, the latest Marble is really nice :) |
| 09:22.07 | annma | yes |
| 09:22.11 | annma | :) |
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| 09:23.09 | Jucato | annma: maybe one day, it could also be used as a sort of backend for kgeography? :) |
| 09:23.39 | annma | yes I'd like Marble to get some KGeography features |
| 09:24.05 | annma | for example my daughter Leah who is 8 would like to see the countries as in KGeography |
| 09:24.16 | annma | colored and with only the capitals |
| 09:24.21 | annma | but in Marble |
| 09:24.35 | Jucato | that would be great :) |
| 09:24.38 | annma | today she asked me where Vietnam is |
| 09:24.54 | Jucato | might even make me interested in learning geography... |
| 09:25.00 | annma | yes, me too |
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| 09:27.39 | Lanken | here's another very attractive laptop http://www.swt.com/cgi-bin/calc_linux?hdc=nb02&cpu=72&nbram=1g&nbhd2=60&ncd4=cd&usbfd=no&nmouse=no&nkeybd=no&monito2=no&printers=none&bat2=no&acad3=no&cad1=no&nbwa2=1&lxn=fe |
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| 09:27.54 | Lanken | shoot, sorry for long url. stupid "GET" inputs. |
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| 09:29.00 | Jucato | aseigo!!!!! |
| 09:29.03 | Jucato | how's guademy? |
| 09:29.15 | Jucato | :D |
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| 09:29.27 | Jucato | or more importantly, how are you? :) |
| 09:32.40 | aseigo | Jucato: so far so good =) |
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| 09:32.52 | aseigo | Jucato: and i'm doing well thanks... =) had a good sleep last night, which is what generally mattesr |
| 09:33.22 | Jucato | hehe :) |
| 09:33.28 | aseigo | how are you doing? |
| 09:33.35 | annma | so you're not too jetlagged |
| 09:33.57 | Jucato | good to hear you're ok. all that travelling and going to conferences sounds very stressful (but fun :D) |
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| 09:53.16 | mdeanda | aseigo: any plans on visiting california for anything linux/kde related anytime soon? |
| 09:53.34 | aseigo | mdeanda: hm. nothing on the schedule atm. why? |
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| 09:53.57 | mdeanda | just curious, there's hardly anything in california ever.. kinda sad. |
| 09:54.26 | aseigo | there is SCALE which is pretty good, but yeah.. not much happening there =/ |
| 09:54.35 | aseigo | most linux related things happen outside of north america |
| 09:54.48 | mdeanda | yeah, and i don't travel much. |
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| 09:55.05 | noob | Hi guys, what linux is best for a noob |
| 09:55.22 | mdeanda | linux from scratch! hehe.. j/k |
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| 09:55.44 | noob | newer ever used linux before, but on youtube it looks real nice |
| 09:55.52 | aseigo | noob: kubuntu is pretty nice; opensuse can be pleasant |
| 09:56.06 | Lanken | kubuntu is good. |
| 09:56.09 | PiggZ | mandriva 2007 (.1) |
| 09:56.27 | noob | is Sabayon good for a noob (it look'd soo god on youtube) ? |
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| 09:57.12 | PiggZ | noob: mandriva has all the aiglx/xgl/compiz/beryl cool 3d stuff if thats what your after |
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| 09:57.58 | mdeanda | noob: its probaby best to go with the popular ones.. but maybe stay away from gentoo and slackware |
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| 09:58.27 | aseigo | noob: mdeanda is right about staying with the popular ones at first; the reason is that it's easier to find support/help due to the larger user base |
| 09:58.37 | aseigo | noob: but if you're adventurous, go for whatever appeals ;) |
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| 09:59.27 | Lanken | I've heard that Fedora is damn hard too, though it probably shouldn't be. |
| 09:59.58 | Jucato | aseigo: oh btw, is it alright to have a shirt printed with the KDE logo, just for myself? (kinda hard to get by those KDE shirts...) |
| 10:00.08 | aseigo | Jucato: of course =) |
| 10:00.19 | aseigo | Lanken: mm. it's not that hard... not as easy as it could be thogh |
| 10:00.25 | noob | WTF???? my konquer window turn'd grey, and i can't use it |
| 10:00.39 | Jucato | aseigo: ooh kool, I've been dying to have one :) |
| 10:00.58 | Jucato | now, if only there were instructions on how to make that Konqi doll :P |
| 10:01.09 | aseigo | brb |
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| 10:01.21 | PiggZ | noob: looks like compiz or beryl thinks it has hung...maybe a webpage with a complex javascript |
| 10:01.33 | noob | You tube |
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| 10:02.14 | noob | how do you get the cube to become transparent, on the instaler it's a picture of a transparent cube, mine is not |
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| 10:02.46 | mdeanda | Jucato: did you try the merchandise link in kde.org? when trying to buy a shirt i get an error page in german(?), but there i see "not found" i guess it can't find the shirt for me.. :) |
| 10:03.05 | mdeanda | noob: what are you using? what distro, etc. |
| 10:03.10 | Jucato | mdeanda: first place I looked for in my KDE merchandise hunting :) |
| 10:03.18 | Jucato | I was actually desperate enough to try to order :) |
| 10:03.21 | noob | Sabayon |
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| 10:04.48 | mdeanda | noob: i'm assuming that's using beryl or something and the cube is the desktop thing? if it is.. i can't help you, haven't used beryl. |
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| 10:07.20 | mdeanda | Jucato: http://www.linux-discount.de/Store/me30/ME30-011-INT/de/?view=prices |
| 10:07.43 | mdeanda | Jucato: but wow, that was a confusing process.. hehe.. they don't have large.. just small, medium, xlarge, and xxlarge |
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| 10:08.17 | Jucato | grr.. :( |
| 10:08.21 | Jucato | what did I miss? :( |
| 10:08.26 | Jucato | O.o |
| 10:08.46 | Jucato | I still might have to have my own shirt made.. so that I could choose which logo :) |
| 10:08.55 | mdeanda | i clicked on the link in the kde site that says "don't bug dev's about merchandise" |
| 10:09.20 | mdeanda | i'm gonna have my coworker translate for me and help me order.. hehe i had tried a long time ago but had the same problem |
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| 10:09.51 | LeonWP | hello |
| 10:09.55 | mdeanda | hi. |
| 10:10.04 | LeonWP | how can I make KDE exec a command on a hot key? |
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| 10:10.24 | annma | did you try using KControl? |
| 10:10.28 | LeonWP | do I need to add it to the k-menu for that or is there another way? |
| 10:10.34 | mdeanda | LeonWP: control center, regional & access. |
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| 10:11.15 | Jucato | LeonWP: No need to add to the K Menu. you can use KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Input Actions to create your own shortcut |
| 10:11.23 | mdeanda | LeonWP: then input actions, add a new one, with "action type" set to "keybord shortcut -> command url" |
| 10:11.36 | LeonWP | right, thank you |
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| 10:12.07 | Jucato | I can't use this logo anymore? (for the shirt I mean) http://www.kde.org/stuff/clipart/klogo-crystal-800x800.png |
| 10:12.39 | mdeanda | Jucato: ooh, vintage! :) |
| 10:12.45 | Jucato | yeah :) |
| 10:13.37 | mdeanda | i like the blue on black that they sell.. looks sharp i think |
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| 10:14.09 | Jucato | yeah it looks good too. and probably costs cheaper if I have it made :P |
| 10:14.12 | Jucato | (less colors) |
| 10:14.29 | Jucato | but then again, I wanted to have Konqi at the back too lol |
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| 10:20.55 | expose | What else is there similar to digikam or kamera? |
| 10:20.55 | Lanken | Jucato: lame! a shirt with just the K logo will look way cooler than one that has a goofy dragon too. |
| 10:21.05 | Jucato | our tastes differ :) |
| 10:21.20 | Jucato | expose: kphotoalbum? gwenview? |
| 10:21.37 | Jucato | but digikam is really the mother of all photo management KDE apps afaik |
| 10:21.41 | expose | it should organize digital camera things |
| 10:21.48 | Jucato | mother of all, meaning one of the best |
| 10:21.52 | expose | Jucato: okay, so you dont know anything better |
| 10:21.58 | expose | good. thanks |
| 10:22.03 | Jucato | maybe there isn't any? :D |
| 10:22.07 | pinotree | expose: there's nothing better than digikam |
| 10:22.15 | Jucato | see? ^^^ :D |
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| 10:23.18 | mdeanda | does digikam let you tag images and find them the way kphotoalbum does? |
| 10:23.27 | Jucato | yes it has tags |
| 10:24.38 | mdeanda | hmm.. the interface looks a little more polished than kphotoalbum.. maybe i should try it.. but converting all my existing stuff would be a nightmare.. |
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| 10:26.25 | expose | mdeanda: it is able to import directories. |
| 10:27.08 | mdeanda | hehe.. i was just thinking.. no wonder i never get anything done.. i was hoping to get that mouse locator osd thing working by today.. (well, yesterday, its 3am so its tomorrow) |
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| 10:27.24 | Jucato | :p |
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| 10:27.31 | Jucato | procrastination ftw! :) |
| 10:27.50 | mdeanda | expose: yeah, that's what i was afraid of.. i don't really have my images in "folders"... i just use tags to find whatever stuff i want to see.. its kinda neat. |
| 10:28.38 | expose | mdeanda: Well - tagging them isnt really harder then putting em in folders, is it? i dont see a reason for tags. |
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| 10:29.00 | mdeanda | expose: it is b/c its trickier to put an image in multple folders :) |
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| 10:29.26 | expose | except, for that many interfaces dont allow the user to see all the tags, so if you got a webpage with tagged articles, you cannot browsed it unless you know what tags the author uses for which kind of thing. folders never had that issue... |
| 10:29.28 | mdeanda | (and yes, symlinks are possible, but trickier than a tag) |
| 10:29.41 | expose | right...thats an issue... |
| 10:29.44 | expose | hm. |
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| 10:30.09 | expose | I'd make folders for the dates, and tags for the content or so maybe...still usable if the tags get lost, or vice versa. |
| 10:30.13 | Jucato | expose: it depends on the site to expose all available tags that the site has. for example, WordPress |
| 10:30.18 | mdeanda | expose: actually, i wrote a little java servlet that reads the xml file that kphotoalbum uses and it build a similar interface that kphotoalbum uses.. kinda neat |
| 10:30.40 | expose | Jucato: Sure - yet if it doesnt, the tags get useless. lots of blogs suffer from this i think. |
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| 10:31.02 | Jucato | expose: it's a defect of the software or settings. not of the concept of tags |
| 10:31.13 | Jucato | an advantage of tags: they are metadata anyway. they don't affect how files are stored on the system. |
| 10:31.31 | mdeanda | expose: one big downside to kphotoalbum is that it doesn't handle movies at all.. i wonder if digikam does... these movies came from my digital camera after all.. |
| 10:32.24 | Jucato | mdeanda: it can. I think |
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| 10:32.44 | expose | Jucato: Right. Just wanted to complain that tags are useless unless you know them, and too many seem not to think of this issue, they just tag their articles, and as it is a blog, they are sorted by date, and thus you are unable to find anything, unless you ask the author to tell you his tag for xyz because he doesnt publish a list somewhere... |
| 10:33.00 | expose | well, google site:foo.com fixes this kind of |
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| 10:33.14 | expose | mdeanda: it does |
| 10:33.31 | mdeanda | damn, now i'm definitely not going to work on my application.. |
| 10:33.33 | expose | mdeanda: i just cannot remember wether it can play them. yet you can organize them, and see a preview iirc |
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| 10:33.43 | Jucato | expose: most blogs either 1) have a way to list all togs used in the blogs or 2) list the tags used in a post, and the user can click on those to discover other posts that have the same tags |
| 10:34.31 | expose | yeah - but if 2) you need to find a similar post first of all. that is to be considered an issue yet sometimes at least. if 1) is true, tags are perfectly fine, imho |
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| 10:34.36 | mdeanda | Jucato: he's talking about how own author can call -- i mean tag -- something A, a user my think its tagged (or should be tagged) as B, so the user can't find the item |
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| 10:35.10 | mdeanda | expose: that is what you meant right? |
| 10:35.34 | Jucato | mdeanda: digikam does support videos. and can play them on an embedded kmplayer kpart |
| 10:36.44 | Jucato | mdeanda: following that logic... author gives this title to a site, but B doesn't know that title, so can't find the site? |
| 10:37.16 | expose | mdeanda: yes. and this problem gets to a problem, if the website has no real menu anymore because articles are just sorted by date (and thats it, beside taggs) _and_ if the author does not publish a list of tags he uses. if such a list is there, the user can read it and will likely find A to be what he wanted. |
| 10:38.35 | Jucato | isn't that already the responsibility of the author? it's an example of a misuse of a tool, not a defect of the tool |
| 10:39.25 | Jucato | or rather, misuse of a concept (tags are not tools themselves...) |
| 10:39.35 | ferent | Hi guys, I need to reboot my system in DOS mode (windows), tu update the BIOS |
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| 10:39.52 | ferent | I've windows installed in a partition |
| 10:39.56 | mdeanda | expose: my servlet (when complete) will show a menu - people, locations, etc. then a user would pick, people. the next screen will show all the tags for people. then it would go back to the first menu.. and would filter out stuff that would be useless.. |
| 10:40.12 | annma | ferent: and what is the problem? |
| 10:40.30 | ferent | like on the boot, grup appears |
| 10:40.36 | mdeanda | it would also be super-easy to implement a google-suggest like thing since the dictionary is relatively small, it won't take much power to implement |
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| 10:41.03 | ferent | I don't know how to tell to grup to init windows in DOS mode |
| 10:41.11 | ferent | sorry for my english |
| 10:41.13 | ferent | :) |
| 10:41.26 | mdeanda | expose: but yes, having a plain search field does make tags useless... but for images.. there really isn't a better way to do it... |
| 10:41.54 | ferent | sorry, grub, not grup |
| 10:42.07 | thiago | ferent: your question isn't related to KDE |
| 10:42.19 | ferent | thiago: i'm desesperated |
| 10:42.26 | annma | ferent: you have to start windows and hit a key |
| 10:42.35 | annma | look at your PC doc |
| 10:43.05 | ferent | ok annma |
| 10:43.11 | ferent | I will see |
| 10:43.11 | mdeanda | ferent: doesn't windows give you tech support? isn't that why they charge so much? :) |
| 10:43.12 | annma | google for it |
| 10:43.25 | annma | and yes, it's not related to KDE at all |
| 10:43.27 | ferent | mdeanda: hehehe |
| 10:43.57 | ferent | ok, but there isn't a IRC channel to do that questions |
| 10:44.07 | ferent | I think |
| 10:45.09 | annma | well that's not a good behaviour to ask anything here under the assumption there is no channel for it |
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| 10:45.31 | jelly-home | Hi. Is there a way to use mouse gestures in Konqueror? |
| 10:45.40 | ferent | yes, annma, I know that, I'm sorry |
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| 10:46.37 | ferent | thanks for all guys :) |
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| 10:50.08 | expose | mdeanda: except when you know that you change computers often, or want to give it to a friend or so, who cannot use the *.xml containing them. |
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| 10:50.43 | expose | mdeanda: plus, it is more robust to have a directory structure than a single xml file i think. but this is where it comes to personal taste and gets subjective as in "c++ vs. java" :- |
| 10:50.45 | expose | :-) |
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| 10:52.38 | mdeanda | yeah i understand.. and i agree... but i'm lazy.. the only folders i sometimes have are folders that are named the date that i copied the files off the sd card.. its hard to manually put files in folders if i can't see them.. a small thumbnail in the file browser isn't enough all the time.. so the program to tags makes it more convenient... |
| 10:52.56 | mdeanda | but i don't need to worry about giving out pictures like that.. |
| 10:53.15 | annma | see you Jucato |
| 10:54.07 | Jucato | see yah! :) |
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| 10:54.36 | mdeanda | i ought to go to bed too.. b/c my gf wakes up.. hehe |
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| 11:02.31 | annma | mdeanda: lol |
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| 11:12.48 | Steve14 | will be there kde 4 for older distribution version (f.e. SuSE Linux 10.0), too ? |
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| 11:13.25 | Renze | Steve14: distro packages are up to the distro. kde is released as source code only |
| 11:14.12 | Steve14 | ok, i understand ;) |
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| 11:32.21 | CMoH | hi |
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| 11:36.12 | PhilRod | hi CMoH |
| 11:36.19 | CMoH | i'm using kde on gentoo, and after an upgrade i've found that i cannot mount the cd/dvd from the desktop icon - instead i get a message saying feature is only available with hal |
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| 11:36.24 | CMoH | hei :) |
| 11:37.44 | illogic-al | hei |
| 11:37.52 | illogic-al | l |
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| 11:38.51 | PhilRod | CMoH: is hal installed and running? You might want to ask in #gentoo-kde (or is it #kde-gentoo? I forget) whether there's some config knob you need to twiddle |
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| 11:39.01 | pinotree | PhilRod: the first |
| 11:39.04 | CMoH | i know it's installed |
| 11:39.06 | pinotree | (hiho, btw) |
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| 11:39.27 | illogic-al | hhah. PhilRod said knob. |
| 11:39.34 | pinotree | CMoH: hal needs to be configured to allow monting the devices via dbus |
| 11:39.58 | PhilRod | hiya pinotree :-) |
| 11:40.03 | PhilRod | illogic-al: knob knob knob knob |
| 11:40.06 | PhilRod | :-) |
| 11:40.14 | pinotree | and this is something #gentoo might help you about |
| 11:40.15 | CMoH | what about the dmi use flag? what would dmi do? |
| 11:40.56 | CMoH | well, i thank you for the redirect; i'll go there if can't manage - but now i have a starting point |
| 11:41.06 | CMoH | never thought that hal might need some extra config |
| 11:41.58 | CMoH | ... and i know i messed up the latest upgrades with regard to configs :( |
| 11:42.37 | CMoH | well, thanks for the hint |
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| 11:45.41 | PhilRod | CMoH: feel free to hang around here - we usually have some gentoo users who are fairly knowledgeable, and who might see your question when they come back |
| 11:47.31 | CMoH | thanks; i found a howto now on gentoo-wiki |
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| 11:52.13 | tapas | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2006/01/msg00228.html |
| 11:52.17 | tapas | anyone got any news on that? |
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| 11:52.53 | zak_ | smileaf: hi |
| 11:52.54 | zak_ | here |
| 11:52.56 | zak_ | ? |
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| 11:53.16 | zak_ | is there anyway to print the list of shortcuts in kcontrol > regional & access. > shortcuts |
| 11:53.34 | tapas | zak_: aren't they stored in a human readable xml fle? |
| 11:53.44 | tapas | or kconfig file or whatever |
| 11:54.02 | zak_ | :/ |
| 11:54.10 | zak_ | dont know :) |
| 11:54.20 | zak_ | where can i find this file :) |
| 11:54.33 | tapas | somewhere under .kde/share/config |
| 11:54.36 | tapas | i'm just guessing though |
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| 11:58.16 | Jell-O-Squidy | hi all. i'm trying to use kontact, but can't figure out how to make birthdays display in the calendar or summary (using gentoo, kde 3.5.6). i read somewhere that the summary should have a contacts plugin, but it dones't seem to be there. neither can i find any option in the calendar to display birthdays |
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| 11:58.27 | NanoTech_ | hi all |
| 11:58.28 | PhilRod | zak_: a lot of them are in kdeglobals in the directory tapas said |
| 11:59.03 | PhilRod | hi NanoTech_ |
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| 12:00.22 | PhilRod | tapas: ISTR seeing that problem a long time ago, but haven't seen it recently. You might want to try the following: |
| 12:00.33 | PhilRod | see if it occurs with a newly-created user |
| 12:00.50 | PhilRod | see if there's any useful debug output on the console or in xsession-errors |
| 12:01.25 | tapas | .xsession-errors is huge :) |
| 12:01.41 | tapas | PhilRod: btw: this happened to me on debian and on ubuntu alike.. |
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| 12:01.55 | tapas | through at least the last 3 minor versions.. |
| 12:02.06 | tapas | PhilRod: will check your hints out though.. |
| 12:02.07 | hansen | hi. I installed a new computer with kubuntu and copied /home (incuding .kde and all) from my old computer. Most things work, but for some reason I can't change the desktop background image |
| 12:02.08 | PhilRod | you could remove xsession-errors, and it'll get recreated |
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| 12:02.15 | hansen | no matter what I do it just stays dark blue |
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| 12:02.35 | hansen | can you tell me which executables are involved in this these days so I can debug it? |
| 12:02.40 | tapas | hansen: check fiele permissions |
| 12:02.49 | rhican | i was testing kmess, and it shows these warnings:http://rafb.net/p/heU1PH26.html i googled and it appears to happen to several kde apps but i can't really find the solution, any help? |
| 12:02.51 | PhilRod | hansen: check whether the setting is getting written to the file, which is, um,... |
| 12:02.53 | tapas | hansen: chmod your_username:your_group .kde/ -R |
| 12:02.59 | tapas | erm |
| 12:03.00 | tapas | chown |
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| 12:03.58 | PhilRod | hansen: the relevant file is ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc |
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| 12:04.57 | Jell-O-Squidy | nvm. found it. i think. thanks. bubye |
| 12:05.57 | PhilRod | rhican: warnings are pretty harmless, but if they bother you, you might be able to turn them off withe kdebugdialog |
| 12:05.58 | hansen | tapas: thanks, I'll try out some stuiff and return in a sec |
| 12:06.11 | PhilRod | s/withe/with/ |
| 12:07.32 | biz | how can i lock the current session from command line? |
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| 12:08.49 | paztulio85 | biz: kdesktop_lock in kde |
| 12:08.53 | PhilRod | biz: with dcop |
| 12:09.01 | PhilRod | oh yeah, that too :-) |
| 12:09.12 | biz | i want to bind this on ctrl+esc |
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| 12:09.21 | pinotree | kdesktop_lock --forcelock |
| 12:09.24 | biz | so can i create an input action, dcop call |
| 12:09.27 | zak_ | tapas: what is the name of the file n can't find it damn:( |
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| 12:09.44 | biz | thanks |
| 12:10.44 | hansen | hmm, no success |
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| 12:11.23 | hansen | I chowned everything and when I change teh settings kdesktoprc get changed to the new value, but the desktop background stays dark blue |
| 12:11.42 | hansen | [Desktop0] |
| 12:11.43 | hansen | Wallpaper=$HOME/.kde/share/wallpapers/NIGHT--0 |
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| 12:12.44 | PhilRod | make sure your blending settings are right (it's easy to get those wrong and get confused) |
| 12:13.00 | hansen | no blending |
| 12:13.11 | PhilRod | try different images (the -- in that filename looks like it could maybe cause problems) |
| 12:13.36 | hansen | yeah, I dont know why lots of those wallpapers have no filename ext, but they are valid JPEG images |
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| 12:14.15 | PhilRod | that probably means it's using the .desktop file for file info |
| 12:14.38 | hansen | Wallpaper=/usr/share/wallpapers/All-Good-People-1.jpg doesn'r work either |
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| 12:15.49 | PhilRod | try, say, a png instead of jpg |
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| 12:20.52 | hansen | something is definitely wrong. When I want to choose another image, I press the folder button and a filedialog shows up. This filedialog displays no files or dirs and the progressbar is stuck at 0% |
| 12:23.31 | PhilRod | ouch |
| 12:23.31 | PhilRod | brb |
| 12:23.58 | hansen | DCOP aborting while waiting for answer from 'kded' |
| 12:24.01 | hansen | hmm |
| 12:27.29 | hansen | killed kded and started it again |
| 12:27.35 | hansen | now the filedialog works |
| 12:27.41 | hansen | but still no background |
| 12:28.57 | hansen | ah, memory for my macbook arrived :) |
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| 12:30.30 | PhilRod | hansen: try a newly-created user |
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| 12:35.22 | hansen | any idea what /usr/X11R6/bin/kdesktop_lock is? |
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| 12:37.56 | Daverocks | hi, this crashes konqueror, but not firefox |
| 12:38.00 | Daverocks | http://mytsoftware.com/misc/linux2.jpg |
| 12:38.12 | Daverocks | it at least crashes my konqueror, 3.5.5 ... :( |
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| 12:38.41 | Daverocks | any ideas? |
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| 12:44.41 | hansen | Daverocks: it works here (3.5.5 too) |
| 12:45.02 | Daverocks | hansen: ok, this is weird, all images are crashing konqueror |
| 12:45.09 | Daverocks | it's a me problem :P |
| 12:45.25 | AniHatzis | Does anyone of you here know what this strace kwalletmanager output http://rafb.net/p/C6iLDj77.html does mean? I need to find the reason why kwalletmanager, konqueror, kmail and some other KDE apps and utils doesn't start-up any more with their windows (but i can see their processes running) |
| 12:45.27 | hansen | does ~/.xsession-errors have anything useful in it? |
| 12:48.23 | AniHatzis | (sorry: it is on Kubuntu 6.10 with KDE 3.5.5) |
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| 12:56.31 | Tuju | http://rafb.net/p/hG0t8K58.html |
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| 13:13.34 | XVampireX | WebKit vs Gecko 1.9, who wins? |
| 13:14.13 | Sho_ | Wrong channel |
| 13:14.22 | XVampireX | Why? |
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| 13:15.08 | Sho_ | Because neither WebKit nor Gecko are on-topic in #kde |
| 13:15.50 | PhilRod | maybe #mindless-contextless-comparisons |
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| 13:16.39 | luckyone | does anyone know how to get KAudioCreator to use the Speex plugin? I have some audio books I would like to add to my library, but don't need the full ogg quality. |
| 13:16.42 | XVampireX | Sho_: Bullshit, WebKit is gonna be the future renderer for Konq, and Gecko is rendering for Firefox |
| 13:17.06 | XVampireX | So, who wins? :P |
| 13:17.06 | Sho_ | XVampireX: No decision has been made on WebKit, and Firefox is not a KDE application. |
| 13:17.24 | XVampireX | Huh? |
| 13:17.31 | XVampireX | So they are staying with KHTML? |
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| 13:17.38 | Sho_ | No decision has been made. |
| 13:17.58 | XVampireX | Right |
| 13:17.59 | Sho_ | At this time Konqueror uses KHTML. |
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| 13:23.06 | nondysjunction | Hello. |
| 13:23.12 | PhilRod | hi nondysjunction |
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| 13:23.59 | nondysjunction | Can anyone name an id3 tagger with support for recursive directory scanning, and perhaps tagging based on filename/directory? If not for KDE, then for... anything? Thanks. |
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| 13:25.26 | Sho_ | Amarok |
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| 13:25.53 | Sho_ | It's primarily a player, but it has mass tagging capabilities including configurable guess-from-filename and musicbrainz support |
| 13:26.09 | nondysjunction | Sho_: hmm... |
| 13:27.13 | nondysjunction | Sho_: how would I use these tagging features? I have amarok, but can't seem to get it to tag besides manually for each track. |
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| 13:29.30 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: Select a bunch of them, either in the playlist or in the Collection pane, and then right-click and select "Edit Information for n tracks" |
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| 13:30.43 | Sho_ | moin Jucato |
| 13:30.57 | Jucato | moin Sho_! :) |
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| 13:56.06 | admin_ | How do I make KDE remember my settings from the last time that I logged in? becuase it usually does, but I have a new install machine, and my normal programs that I had running the last time (gaim, gajim...) aren't running at startup |
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| 13:57.29 | PhilRod | control center -> kde components -> session manager |
| 13:57.44 | PhilRod | "restore previous session" or thereabouts |
| 13:58.37 | admin_ | thanks PhilRod , knew there was a setting like that, just couldn't find it |
| 13:58.48 | cbr | http://developer.mozilla.org/wiki-images/en/e/e0/Moz_ffx_openStandards_1024x768.jpg |
| 13:59.56 | pinotree | cbr: abd? |
| 13:59.58 | pinotree | *and? |
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| 14:00.46 | cbr | it was cute :p |
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| 14:07.51 | Tuju | cbr yes, it's nice that mozilla dev's themselves add nonstandard shit into their CSS implementation. |
| 14:08.11 | Tuju | that cute pic doesn't fix that fact. |
| 14:08.18 | pinotree | indeed |
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| 14:08.41 | cbr | Tuju: at least it's free :p |
| 14:08.44 | Jucato | konqi can be cuter :P |
| 14:08.46 | pinotree | konqueror too |
| 14:08.49 | cbr | nobody's talking about non-standard |
| 14:08.57 | Jucato | the pic does, though |
| 14:09.00 | Tuju | cbr - so, what wouldn't be? even IE is free. |
| 14:09.29 | cbr | well it sucks that the english language has one word that means more |
| 14:09.31 | cbr | libre |
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| 14:10.12 | Tuju | imo moz people can wipe their asses with that pic. |
| 14:10.35 | cbr | who cares about the message tbh.. it's a cute pic :p |
| 14:11.08 | Tuju | kind of hard to miss the message (why it was created in the first place). |
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| 14:17.40 | opsidao | somebody knows a reason for cmake complaining about not finding qmake while it's in the path |
| 14:17.47 | opsidao | ? |
| 14:18.12 | prs | Is there any simple way to bind sth like 'ToggleDecore' to a button in KDE? |
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| 14:18.40 | prs | I mean.. when i press '^D' it will toggle decore on focused window. |
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| 14:24.43 | Maccco | is there any german speaking here? |
| 14:24.52 | pinotree | #kde.de |
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| 14:25.34 | Maccco | thanks |
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| 14:36.31 | nondysjunction | Hello |
| 14:37.15 | nondysjunction | So, I have a video file that I want to put on a DVD, playable in a DVD player. I haven't done this before and wouldn't know where to start. Can someone recommend software for this, if it exists? |
| 14:37.48 | mark_alec | k3b |
| 14:38.24 | nondysjunction | k3b can burn dvd videos? :) |
| 14:38.32 | PhinnFort | nondysjunction: yes |
| 14:38.39 | Jucato | if converted to mpeg afaik |
| 14:39.05 | PhinnFort | is it me, or is there a whole copy of kdebase under http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/suse_kickoff_qstyle/? |
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| 14:39.43 | mark_alec | it can probably also transcode to the correct codec if you have the necessary programs installed and in your $PATH |
| 14:40.23 | PhilRod | PhinnFort: yeah - that seems weird |
| 14:40.47 | PhinnFort | PhilRod: i just wanted to try out kickoff, and it seems it won't be finished checking out before tomorrow... |
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| 14:41.26 | PhilRod | I don't think you need that branch for kickoff. actually, I don't know, so I'll shut up :-) |
| 14:41.33 | PhinnFort | nondysjunction: i believe you might have to convert the videos first, but I'm not sure |
| 14:41.42 | PhinnFort | nondysjunction: look at http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Manencode?content=52228 for transcoding |
| 14:41.42 | nondysjunction | Forgot this was a new installation heh, will have to install KDE. |
| 14:41.49 | nondysjunction | PhinnFort: thanks. |
| 14:41.59 | PhinnFort | PhilRod: that was what the opensuse people and their wiki told me |
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| 14:42.30 | PhilRod | ah, I'll defer to them then :-) |
| 14:42.52 | PhinnFort | it just seems weird, though |
| 14:43.08 | PhinnFort | nondysjunction: on gentoo? |
| 14:43.17 | nondysjunction | PhinnFort: yeah, I am. :) |
| 14:43.20 | PhinnFort | poor fella |
| 14:43.31 | nondysjunction | Aww, what do you use? |
| 14:43.35 | PhinnFort | kubuntu |
| 14:43.38 | PhinnFort | switched from gentoo |
| 14:43.44 | nondysjunction | Poor fella. =D |
| 14:43.52 | PhinnFort | got tired, after ~2 years, of compiling every single thing i wanted |
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| 14:44.31 | nondysjunction | I don't mind. |
| 14:44.48 | PhinnFort | well, I didn't see a reason to do it anymore, and I sure don't miss it;) |
| 14:45.06 | nondysjunction | I've been doing it long enough, since before those fancy packages were available everywhere. =D It just doesn't bother me anymore I guess. |
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| 14:46.20 | PhinnFort | it didn't bother me either, other than that it started to take some time compiling gcc on my aging machine |
| 14:46.28 | PhinnFort | but i just didn't see the point anymore;) |
| 14:46.59 | nondysjunction | To remember your roots? No pun intended. :) |
| 14:47.21 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 14:47.57 | nondysjunction | hm..... |
| 14:48.09 | nondysjunction | Hah! I didn't expect that to work! |
| 14:48.29 | PhinnFort | works here too |
| 14:48.51 | nondysjunction | Gotta love kde! |
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| 14:49.04 | nondysjunction | Everyone from around here is a Gnome whore. It sucks. >_< |
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| 14:49.13 | PhinnFort | KDE: "It just works!" |
| 14:49.34 | PhinnFort | gnome suxx000rz@2k!onelol |
| 14:49.49 | nondysjunction | yep. I tell ya, when you need <INSErT OBSCURE FEATURE HERE> and only KDE has it, you fall in love. |
| 14:49.55 | PhinnFort | i'm not too terribly good with faking leetspeak |
| 14:50.01 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 14:50.21 | nondysjunction | Err, don't mind my typographical errors, I'm quite tired. <_< |
| 14:51.39 | nondysjunction | So is there an estimate on how long KDE4 is going to be these days? |
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| 14:52.20 | PhinnFort | !kde4 |
| 14:52.34 | Jucato | ~kde4 |
| 14:52.36 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule). |
| 14:52.36 | Jucato | PhinnFort: wrong bot :) |
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| 14:52.39 | PhinnFort | ;) |
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| 14:52.43 | PhinnFort | i'm too used to the kubuntu bot |
| 14:52.47 | nondysjunction | :) |
| 14:53.28 | Jucato | you just greeted a bot... you're a certified geek :) |
| 14:53.49 | PhinnFort | i got hit on by a bot, what am i now? |
| 14:54.02 | nondysjunction | I've seen some theory screenshots and art, it looks pretty neat-o. Is there a working beta with plasma yet, or anything, or something? |
| 14:54.22 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: no |
| 14:54.41 | Jucato | PhinnFort: now you're just whacked |
| 14:54.45 | Jucato | (pun unintended) |
| 14:54.50 | PhinnFort | nondysjunction: if you where on Kubuntu, you could install the developer preview pretty easily |
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| 14:54.57 | PhinnFort | but it doesn't look very different |
| 14:55.00 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Not of Plasma |
| 14:55.08 | PhinnFort | no, but of KDE 4 |
| 14:55.15 | Jucato | PhinnFort: and nothing "to see" |
| 14:55.19 | nondysjunction | Sho_: any idea when a working beta with plasma might crop up? |
| 14:55.23 | Jucato | PhinnFort: take his question into kontext |
| 14:55.25 | Jucato | er.. context* |
| 14:55.27 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: Not before Summer |
| 14:55.29 | PhinnFort | Jucato: well, alt+f2 looks "cool" |
| 14:55.33 | nondysjunction | Sho_: ah, I see. |
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| 14:55.49 | Jucato | PhinnFort: and they are not on the developer preview of Kubuntu yet |
| 14:55.59 | PhinnFort | who? |
| 14:56.10 | Jucato | who? |
| 14:56.16 | PhinnFort | "they are not" |
| 14:56.22 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: KRunner sexyness largely happened after the last developer snapshot |
| 14:56.38 | Jucato | PhinnFort: sorry, "it is not"... referring to krunner |
| 14:56.42 | PhinnFort | well, it looks different in the snappy in kubuntu |
| 14:56.44 | PhinnFort | aha;) |
| 14:56.58 | PhinnFort | Sho_: it's not sexy, that's why i put in the "'s |
| 14:57.06 | PhinnFort | but it uses svg |
| 14:57.38 | pinotree | s/tic// |
| 14:57.45 | Sho_ | And Okular of course is cooler than KRunner anyway |
| 14:58.11 | Jucato | pinotree: they really intended that, kool right? :D |
| 14:58.14 | PhilRod | (which is exactly what I'm doing at the moment, though hamstrung by the slowness of this computer) |
| 14:58.24 | Jucato | too bad I didn't install it yet :) |
| 14:58.39 | PhilRod | PhinnFort: I expect there's lots of low-hanging fruit which doesn't require much C++ knowledge |
| 14:58.52 | Jucato | PhilRod: you might be getting lots of bug reports that probably shouldn't be bug reports at this moment if that happens :) |
| 14:59.06 | PhinnFort | PhilRod: can you point me in the right direction? |
| 14:59.10 | PhilRod | I've fixed quite a few crashes without really knowing much C++, apart from a little about pointers |
| 14:59.11 | pinotree | -> |
| 14:59.15 | Jucato | lol |
| 14:59.22 | PhilRod | Jucato: I said "fix", not "report" ;-) |
| 14:59.25 | Jucato | this is the left direction <- |
| 14:59.35 | Jucato | PhilRod: oh well... :) |
| 14:59.45 | Jucato | PhinnFort: http://techbase.kde.org |
| 15:00.04 | PhinnFort | it looks good;) |
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| 15:00.20 | Jucato | PhilRod: you did say "everyone" though... and in between "everyone" and "fix", you're gonna get "lots of bug reports" :) |
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| 15:00.55 | PhilRod | PhinnFort: if you're already vaguely familiar with OO languages, you just need to know what pointers are, and what pointers being null signifies :-) |
| 15:01.02 | PhilRod | oh, and how to create and read a backtrace |
| 15:01.04 | sebbar | hi, is there a way to copy something like 500000 lines from konsole? |
| 15:01.10 | muh2000 | argh why doesnt give Kmail a hint of which mail account it is not possible to log on...? i have like 7 mail accounts and it is not funny to browse trough... as the account management wouldnt be annoying enaugh.. |
| 15:01.28 | PhinnFort | i have a fair idea of OO languages (mostly python), and I know enough about C to know vaguely what a pointer is |
| 15:01.32 | Sho_ | pinotree: btw, do you have anti-aliasing on the corners of the annotation popup toolbar now? :) |
| 15:01.44 | pinotree | yeah, urs provided a patch |
| 15:01.46 | PhinnFort | *s/idea/knowledge/ |
| 15:01.59 | Jucato | PhinnFort: that second part requires installing -dbg packages... |
| 15:02.05 | nondysjunction | PhilRod: perhaps you'd be so kind to enlighten us? :) |
| 15:02.09 | Sho_ | pinotree: screenie! |
| 15:02.16 | pinotree | Sho_: compile! :-þ |
| 15:02.34 | PhilRod | nondysjunction: about pointers? or creating backtraces? |
| 15:02.55 | nondysjunction | PhilRod: Either? Both? :) |
| 15:03.02 | PhilRod | actually, let's just do a case study, since I just fixed an easy bug in kuickshow |
| 15:03.16 | Jucato | PhilRod: enlighten us on the purpose of the kuniverse |
| 15:03.18 | PhilRod | (I might have got it wrong, but I think I'm right) |
| 15:03.31 | PhilRod | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143412 |
| 15:03.34 | Sho_ | (wasn't kuickshow on the way out in favor of gwenview?) |
| 15:03.37 | PhilRod | Jucato: 42 |
| 15:03.47 | Jucato | :) |
| 15:03.50 | pinotree | Sho_: yeah |
| 15:03.56 | PhilRod | Sho_: dunno, I haven't been following it, but it was an easy bug to fix, so I did it :-) |
| 15:04.16 | Jucato | Sho_: some oldtimers still clamor for kuickshow on kubuntu... :/ |
| 15:04.28 | Jucato | apparently, they say kuickshow is really quick |
| 15:04.44 | pinotree | Jucato: (see? another point against kubuntu) |
| 15:04.50 | PhilRod | Sho_, pinotree: is kuickshow unmaintained? Should I commit my fix myself? (I was just assuming the maintainer would come across it and commit if it's correct) |
| 15:05.06 | Jucato | pinotree: and they're putting it back :) |
| 15:05.16 | pinotree | oho, at last |
| 15:05.28 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 15:05.34 | PhilRod | PhinnFort, nondysjunction: let's discuss this in #kde-bugs, since it's quieter there |
| 15:05.38 | Sho_ | PhilRod: Given that it's supposed to be removed I would assume there won't be much attention paid ... so commit I guess |
| 15:05.50 | pinotree | PhilRod: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Module_Status |
| 15:06.06 | Sho_ | Jucato: The main reason I like Gwenview is that it has a very good, very fast scaling algorithm; Kuickshow doesn't |
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| 15:06.34 | Sho_ | (Krita actually uses Gwenview's now for 8bit, iirc) |
| 15:06.53 | Jucato | Sho_: I never knew about kuickshow until some people complained about it being missing on Kubuntu :) |
| 15:07.10 | Jucato | like I never heard of kviewshell before the whole "discussion" erupted :P |
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| 15:08.06 | pinotree | he |
| 15:08.07 | pinotree | h |
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| 15:09.08 | Jucato | and I still haven't actually seen it even today :P |
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| 15:10.16 | havepityongrads | Hello. Is there a utility or an easy way of transferring kde settings for one user to another? |
| 15:10.37 | Kyral_Laptop | havepityongrads: copy the ~/.kde folder from one user's ~ to the other :P |
| 15:11.44 | pinotree | Jucato: you'll see in the next days... |
| 15:11.48 | havepityongrads | I thought of something like that, copying all rc files from one user to another but I thought it may also copy private information, some histories, etc. I wouldn't want that. |
| 15:12.35 | havepityongrads | On the net I've seen a project called kamion, have you heard of it, used it? |
| 15:12.43 | Jucato | copy the ones in~/.kde/share/config/ ? |
| 15:12.48 | Jucato | heard of it, not used it |
| 15:12.52 | Jucato | (yet?) |
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| 15:13.09 | havepityongrads | I guess I cannot find the source for that program |
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| 15:13.47 | havepityongrads | ~/.kde/share/config/ contains most of the config files but maybe not all |
| 15:14.16 | havepityongrads | Anyway, it'll require some manual work after I copy the files then. |
| 15:14.49 | havepityongrads | Still, do you think .kde/share/config/ may contain private/history information? |
| 15:14.54 | PhilRod | "havepityongrads". LOL. We should start up a KDE-using grad student network :-) |
| 15:14.55 | Jucato | havepityongrads: looks like kamion (version 2 I think) is for KDE 4 only... |
| 15:14.59 | Jucato | yes |
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| 15:17.14 | havepityongrads | Amen brother. We could use some solidarity in that network. |
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| 15:22.30 | fir3 | hi |
| 15:22.57 | fir3 | is it possible to save tab sessions in konqueror? |
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| 15:23.21 | Kyral_Laptop | fir3: yah |
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| 15:23.45 | PhilRod | havepityongrads: what subject? |
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| 15:23.47 | fir3 | how? (i don't use kde) |
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| 15:24.21 | Kyral_Laptop | fir3: Set up the tabs the way you want, then Settings->Configure View Profiles then type in a new name for the Session and save |
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| 15:25.44 | fir3 | cool, tnx |
| 15:25.50 | mdtyke | Hey guys :) |
| 15:25.57 | mdtyke | Having a sliiiiiiiiight problem somebody may be able to help me with |
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| 15:26.23 | mdtyke | I do Java at college, and I for the life of me can't figure out this JDBC ODBC thing |
| 15:26.41 | Kyral_Laptop | ...how does this relate to KDE? |
| 15:26.43 | pinotree | ##java |
| 15:26.47 | mdtyke | Well im running KDE |
| 15:26.52 | mdtyke | Oh, there's a Java channel.. great, thanks :) |
| 15:26.53 | pinotree | oh come on |
| 15:27.02 | fir3 | lol |
| 15:27.03 | Kyral_Laptop | So am I, but you don't see me asking about Ruby |
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| 15:27.22 | Kyral_Laptop | (Well, perhaps Korundum, because the Ruby-KDE channel is dead 90% of the time) |
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| 15:33.18 | mdtyke | Does anyone know why, after I hibernate/suspend and come back, my synaptics touchpad driver seems to.. well.. not worek |
| 15:33.19 | mdtyke | work* |
| 15:34.09 | PhilRod | mdtyke: best to ask in #yourdistro |
| 15:34.32 | mdtyke | May as well talk to a wall :P |
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| 15:34.34 | fir3 | maybe bacause the touchpad device changed |
| 15:34.50 | mdtyke | Well it doesn't change everytime I suspend/hibernate.. or at least it shouldnt |
| 15:34.59 | mdtyke | If I kill X and start it again, voila it works |
| 15:35.10 | mdtyke | but it's just a hassel to have to do that, as I'm moving a lot... so one ends up doing it a lot! |
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| 15:36.09 | fir3 | what device do you have set for the touchpad in xorg.conf? |
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| 15:37.10 | mdtyke | as in the /slash thing? |
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| 15:37.49 | mdtyke | if you mean that, its /dev/psaux |
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| 15:39.24 | AniHatzis | fooolks.... I had a hell of experience with KDE 3.5.5 on Kubuntu 6.10 since yesterday... totally weird behavior of KMail, Konqueror etc.... and all just because my home partition got full and I got no notice... :))) |
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| 15:50.48 | nondysjunction | I was told that K3B could burn DVD movies, I am trying to figure out how, heh heh. |
| 15:51.20 | Jucato | convert to mpeg first I think |
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| 15:52.24 | nondysjunction | Jucato: when I go to burn video, it just gaves me a blank cdrom with 2 directories, video_ts, audio_ts. <_< What might I do from here, assuming I have an mpeg file? |
| 15:54.07 | fir3 | programs like dvdbackup will create that folder structure and the files |
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| 15:55.44 | nondysjunction | fir3: do you know of a program that will create said folder structure and files, from a file, rather than a DVD? |
| 15:55.48 | havepityongrads | <PhilRod>: Telecommunications |
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| 15:56.23 | havepityongrads | yours? |
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| 16:00.29 | fir3 | nondysjunction: apt says you could try dvdauthor,dvdstyler,qdvdauthor,kdenlive |
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| 16:00.57 | PhilRod | havepityongrads: experimental particle physics |
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| 16:01.41 | havepityongrads | wow |
| 16:01.53 | havepityongrads | mine's like a joke compared to that |
| 16:02.38 | PhilRod | yours is useful to society, right? |
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| 16:03.02 | PhilRod | there's almost literally no way that what I'm doing could be useful to anyone ever :-) |
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| 16:03.34 | Jucato | and Philosophy (mine) is useful as well? |
| 16:03.55 | rakekniven | Any mail admins here? |
| 16:03.59 | pinotree | yeah, it could save people from committing suicide |
| 16:04.11 | pinotree | (... or maybe the opposite ...) |
| 16:04.14 | Jucato | or could actually induce them to it :) |
| 16:04.15 | PhilRod | ...or make them, depending on what you conclude :-) |
| 16:04.15 | havepityongrads | You know, that's something I've been thinking for some time now.. If I had the chance to go to college again, I would study medicine.. |
| 16:04.35 | PhilRod | oh dear, that was clearly the obvious joke, and I was the slowest to think of it :-) |
| 16:04.37 | pinotree | rakekniven: what's the problem? |
| 16:04.42 | Jucato | lol :) |
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| 16:05.01 | havepityongrads | I think I could be doing something more useful than networks. |
| 16:05.13 | rakekniven | since yesterday I receive no mails anymore. I am subscribed to more than 5 lists. |
| 16:05.19 | PhilRod | havepityongrads: definitely the thing to do if you want to be a useful member of society, but it's a *lot* to remember... |
| 16:05.26 | pinotree | rakekniven: mail.k.o is down, iirc |
| 16:05.49 | PhilRod | pinotree: ah, that explains why the guy in #kde-docs didn't get his mail through to the list |
| 16:05.52 | Jucato | yeah, haven't received any mail from any kde list |
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| 16:06.06 | PhilRod | pinotree: btw, where should I checkout okular from? |
| 16:06.21 | rakekniven | svn ;-) |
| 16:06.23 | pinotree | PhilRod: www.okular.org/download.php <-- nice instructions |
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| 16:06.53 | rakekniven | are they working on it? (mail.kde.org) |
| 16:07.00 | PhilRod | pinotree: ah, cool. Thanks |
| 16:07.05 | thiago | rakekniven: no, they are not. |
| 16:07.09 | fir3 | PhilRod: you could still serve as a bad model ;) |
| 16:07.50 | rakekniven | thiago: What does that means? |
| 16:07.56 | PhinnFort | they've given up mailing lists |
| 16:08.03 | PhinnFort | they've switched to pigeons |
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| 16:08.12 | thiago | rakekniven: it means the admin is not available. |
| 16:08.22 | PhilRod | we're moving to web forums! omglolroflbbq!!!11 |
| 16:08.31 | rakekniven | which one? |
| 16:08.50 | Jucato | PhilRod: you should note that [/sarcasm] doesn't easily translate over IRC :) |
| 16:09.13 | sortadi | I'm having this frequent problem recently. When i try to open any app or konqueror for example this message comes up "Couldn't find mime type application/octet-stream" |
| 16:09.17 | PhinnFort | at least my suggestion has an RFC |
| 16:09.18 | annma | I was worried for a few seconds |
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| 16:09.40 | MinceR | how can i identify Qt/KDE menus (by window class, role or something)? i couldn't investigate with xprop |
| 16:09.40 | PhilRod | Jucato: but surely you don't need to know me too well to know that I don't say "omglolroflbbq!!!11" very often :-) |
| 16:09.57 | thiago | MinceR: I don't think they create windows. |
| 16:10.03 | Jucato | PhilRod: apparently he didn't ^^^^ |
| 16:10.06 | PhinnFort | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html |
| 16:10.09 | thiago | MinceR: not to mention that they grab the mouse. |
| 16:10.23 | rakekniven | Hopefully the mail queues are not forwarded to /dev/null when box limit is reached |
| 16:10.36 | PhilRod | sortadi: rename (don't delete!) ~./kde/mimelnk, restart kde, and try again. Tell us what happens |
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| 16:10.42 | Jucato | annma: about what? mailing list being down or switching to a forum? :D |
| 16:10.43 | PhinnFort | rakekniven: they thought /dev/urandom was more appropriate |
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| 16:10.50 | MinceR | i'm trying to make them transparent but apparently beryl doesn't detect their window type correctly |
| 16:10.52 | PhilRod | Jucato: i think he meant "which admin", not "which forum" :-) |
| 16:10.57 | annma | forums |
| 16:11.06 | annma | mailing lists are down |
| 16:11.11 | Jucato | PhilRod: ah ok. but annma didn't catch the [/sarcasm] either :) |
| 16:11.21 | annma | it feels good not to be inondated by mail |
| 16:11.46 | Jucato | annma: I pity those who can only communicate with email though... they must think the world hates them :) |
| 16:11.46 | PhilRod | fir3: I don't get it. What could i be a bad model for? |
| 16:12.03 | PhinnFort | role model? |
| 16:12.08 | rakekniven | bye. |
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| 16:12.48 | sortadi | PhilRod, i don't have that mimelnk under my ./kde folder |
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| 16:13.33 | PhilRod | sortadi: sorry, ~/.kde/share/mimelnk |
| 16:13.40 | sortadi | PhilRod, yeah |
| 16:13.47 | sortadi | PhilRod, rename it to what? |
| 16:13.59 | PhilRod | anything you like - mimelnk.bak or something |
| 16:14.03 | PhilRod | just so that kde doesn't find it |
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| 16:15.16 | sortadi | PhilRod, ok |
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| 16:16.16 | sortadi | PhilRod, I renamed it to mimelnk.bak but then mimelnk reappears |
| 16:16.39 | PhilRod | yes, it will |
| 16:16.47 | PhilRod | does the error message still occur/ |
| 16:16.48 | sortadi | PhilRod, another thing I'm having is KDE crashing when renaming folders |
| 16:16.54 | sortadi | PhilRod, let me restart |
| 16:17.07 | sortadi | PhilRod, do you know aything about the crashing thing? |
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| 16:17.32 | PhilRod | not offhand, but the application/octet-stream problem might be related |
| 16:17.43 | PhilRod | fix that one first - the other might go away |
| 16:18.09 | sortadi | ok |
| 16:18.16 | sortadi | let me restart now |
| 16:18.18 | sortadi | brb |
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| 16:20.13 | sortadi | PhilRod, solved. Thanks |
| 16:20.25 | sortadi | PhilRod, let me see about the crashing |
| 16:20.57 | PhilRod | sortadi: you might have lost your custom file associations. If you want them back, we can probably restore them |
| 16:21.03 | PhilRod | without getting back the old problem |
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| 16:22.36 | sortadi | PhilRod, yeah I lost them |
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| 16:23.05 | PhilRod | ok, sec |
| 16:23.27 | jowenn | hi |
| 16:23.50 | jowenn | did something happen to the kde mail server ? |
| 16:23.55 | sortadi | PhilRod, I guess if I just take one by one the associations from mimelnk.bak into mimelnk |
| 16:23.57 | thiago | jowenn: yes |
| 16:24.00 | PhinnFort | jowenn: it's down, and the admin is not here |
| 16:24.06 | PhinnFort | :D |
| 16:24.13 | sortadi | PhilRod, and test continuosly |
| 16:24.30 | sortadi | PhilRod, becuase I have one assocation explicitly named octet-stream |
| 16:24.39 | jowenn | thiago: :-( |
| 16:24.50 | sortadi | PhilRod, under /mimelnk.bak/appilcations |
| 16:25.27 | thiago | jowenn: ktown is not responding. |
| 16:25.27 | jowenn | thiago: I guess, than it will be down till monday or something like that |
| 16:25.37 | thiago | maybe |
| 16:25.42 | thiago | we have no idae |
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| 16:26.29 | PhilRod | sortadi: we can be cleverer than that in this case |
| 16:26.38 | sortadi | PhilRod, how? |
| 16:26.45 | jowenn | thiago: ok, thanks |
| 16:26.54 | PhilRod | sortadi: the file causing the problem is ~/.dke/share/mimelnk/application/octet-stream.desktop |
| 16:27.02 | sortadi | yeah |
| 16:27.02 | PhilRod | the error message told us so :-) |
| 16:27.06 | sortadi | I deleted that |
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| 16:27.17 | sortadi | and copied all to mimelnk |
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| 16:30.21 | PhilRod | sortadi: run "kbuildsycoca --noincremental" to re-read all of those. Is the problem all fixed? |
| 16:30.55 | sortadi | PhilRod, wait |
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| 16:31.59 | sortadi | PhilRod, yeah. thanks! |
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| 16:32.16 | sortadi | PhilRod, although kbuildsycoca displayed lots of warnings |
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| 16:32.42 | sortadi | PhilRod, now, could you explain to me a bit more into the problem? |
| 16:32.52 | PhilRod | sortadi: it always does. Even displays an error that isn't true :-) |
| 16:33.17 | PhilRod | well, I don't really understand why that one file b0rks everything, or how it gets created |
| 16:33.19 | sortadi | PhilRod, why could it had happened? why run kbuildsycoca --noincremental ? |
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| 16:33.55 | PhilRod | kbuildsycoca is Kde BUILD SYstem COnfiguation CAche |
| 16:34.19 | sortadi | ahh |
| 16:34.19 | pinotree | wee someone learnt the acronym, other than myself :) |
| 16:34.20 | sortadi | I see |
| 16:34.34 | PhilRod | it reads all the possible .desktop files that kde uses, and caches the results, so when apps ask for system-wide info, they get it quick |
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| 16:35.15 | PhilRod | .desktop files contain stuff like metadata about applications, menu entries, servicemenus (ie, context menu customizations), file associations, etc |
| 16:36.25 | sortadi | PhilRod, got it. Thanks a lot |
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| 16:38.03 | pinotree | PhilRod: are you going to fwport your bug fix, no? |
| 16:38.35 | PhilRod | pinotree: yes, I should |
| 16:38.40 | pinotree | =) |
| 16:38.50 | PhilRod | (I was thinking I didn't need to, because kuickshow is moving, but that's wrong) |
| 16:41.05 | cris | Hi, I'm trying to assign the keys of my Cymotion Linux KB in kconrol e.g. XF86Copy -> Ctrl+C - it works in the same application but not across different windows - strange? |
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| 16:46.49 | nondysjunction | <_< |
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| 16:51.39 | Aeternus\ | Hi, I have a problem with Kget 0.8.5. When the I lose the dial-up connection and once reconnected KGet says that the file I was downloading already exist and I must delete it and start the download from 0 |
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| 16:52.07 | PhinnFort | Aeternus\: maybe the server doesn't support resuming downloads? |
| 16:53.16 | Aeternus\ | Effectively, if I pause the download the problem is the same. I didn't think thath thing. Thanks |
| 16:53.40 | oGALAXYo | Aeternus\: what kde version ? |
| 16:53.46 | pinotree | Aeternus\: iirc there's a column that indicates whether the server can resume downloads |
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| 16:54.39 | Aeternus\ | 3.5.5, I don't think it matter. |
| 16:55.19 | Aeternus\ | pinotree: yes, it's title "ripristinato", maybe the correct word was "ripristinabile" |
| 16:55.23 | Aeternus\ | *titled |
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| 16:55.46 | PhinnFort | monkey boy presents microsofts answer to kde4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvbWLfr-Z4s |
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| 16:59.44 | yacoob | Rrrright. |
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| 17:00.18 | kira | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.30 | Sho_ | kira: #sabayon |
| 17:00.32 | pinotree | kira: #sabayon |
| 17:00.35 | pinotree | ack |
| 17:00.36 | nondysjunction | kira: #sabayon |
| 17:00.37 | nixternal | hehe |
| 17:00.38 | nixternal | hahaha |
| 17:00.41 | kira | lol |
| 17:00.44 | nondysjunction | <_< |
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| 17:00.54 | kira | i' know lol |
| 17:01.01 | kira | but no one answer me |
| 17:01.17 | Sho_ | <Renze>That doesn't make us a surrogate #sabayon</Renze> |
| 17:01.19 | yacoob | can anyone tell me how can I make the upper bar (with app menu) like on this picture? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+7.04+Beta?content=55151 |
| 17:01.22 | nondysjunction | kira, well, sabayon uses portage right? man emerge. |
| 17:01.51 | kira | ok thx |
| 17:03.31 | nondysjunction | Where is renze anyways? |
| 17:03.42 | nondysjunction | He should be here, he's not allowed to be afk when I'm around. :@ |
| 17:03.58 | pinotree | he's sleeeping, most probably |
| 17:04.00 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: In bed |
| 17:04.06 | nondysjunction | You see, he's my right hand, err, #kde buddy! |
| 17:04.24 | nondysjunction | Or maybe I'm just a stalker. |
| 17:04.43 | Sho_ | STALKER is a nice video game. And it does have k in it. |
| 17:04.47 | kira | #gentoo |
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| 17:09.18 | fir3 | Sho_: does it run on wine? |
| 17:09.37 | Sho_ | fir3: Haven't tried yet |
| 17:10.17 | Sho_ | fir3: It's fairly shader-intensive and makes use of MRT, but with the recent Wine3D advacements, there might be a chance |
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| 17:10.26 | fir3 | do you know how to finish the first job? i'm unable to kill all the bandits |
| 17:10.59 | fir3 | it also runs on dx8 |
| 17:11.03 | Sho_ | fir3: I waited around a bit and eventually the last two returned to the fire where they keep Nimble ... got 'em there |
| 17:11.52 | fir3 | you just waited till the fight ends and 2 were left? kk |
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| 17:12.52 | PhinnFort | anyone played fallout? |
| 17:13.18 | Sho_ | fir3: Well first I participated in the fight, but eventually everything was silent and I couldn't find any opponents anymore, yet the objective wasn't marked as complete ... so I walked around pretty dumbfounded for a while and eventually decided to go back to Nimble and there they were around the fire ;) |
| 17:13.24 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: yup, loved it |
| 17:13.31 | ni1s | PhinnFort, loved it |
| 17:13.50 | Sho_ | ^5 |
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| 17:14.03 | PhinnFort | isn't there ap project to re-make the engine in a cross-platform way? |
| 17:14.08 | ni1s | yeah |
| 17:14.15 | Sho_ | Dunno, but it works on Cedega and Wine |
| 17:14.25 | PhinnFort | http://www.fifengine.de/ |
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| 17:15.15 | PhinnFort | in the end of fallout 2, i almost always had 99% at hitting in the eyes with my sniper |
| 17:15.19 | PhinnFort | crit every single time |
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| 17:15.33 | PhinnFort | *fo2 |
| 17:15.34 | Sho_ | :) |
| 17:15.42 | Sho_ | Looking forward to F3 |
| 17:15.48 | PhinnFort | is it coming after all? |
| 17:15.53 | ni1s | Groin hits rule! |
| 17:15.54 | PhinnFort | i thought they dropped it? |
| 17:16.04 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Bethesda (Elder Scrolls) purchased the IP from Interplay |
| 17:16.17 | PhinnFort | Sho_: :D:D:D |
| 17:16.18 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: They've been working away at it for 1-2 years now |
| 17:16.40 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Have been pretty quiet so far, just some teaser posters ... should become more public this year |
| 17:16.47 | PhinnFort | sure hope so |
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| 17:17.03 | PhinnFort | KDE 4 AND Fallout 3... my brain is not handling this very well |
| 17:17.11 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Seems to be a labor of love for them going by interviews, though |
| 17:17.14 | Sho_ | hehe |
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| 17:18.06 | PhinnFort | how i would love a linux version of it, how unlikely it may be |
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| 17:19.05 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Transgaming claims they have TES4: Oblivion working completely now on what is destined to be the next major Cedega version, so assuming F3 uses the same technology, hopefully it will at least run that way |
| 17:19.32 | PhinnFort | well, i don't care for paying for Cedega, when Wine runs most games as good as it |
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| 17:19.38 | PhinnFort | sometimes even better, from what i hear |
| 17:20.10 | PhinnFort | can't find my fallout cd's... I think i gave them to my cousin... |
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| 17:20.53 | fir3 | don't forget about ut2007 :D |
| 17:21.00 | PhinnFort | "Bethesda have not announced the platforms for which Fallout 3 will be released, although Pete Hines had stated that they intend to make a "multiple platform title".[1] " |
| 17:21.07 | PhinnFort | :D |
| 17:21.10 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Well, yes and no ... both Cedega and Wine are currently facing the monumental task of implementing SM2.0 via GLSL, and the reason that Wine seems to be a little farther ahead is that due to its openness you can look at the WIP stuff along the road, which works sometimes. When TG releases the next Cedega it'll probably leap ahead again with a more polished implementation. |
| 17:21.18 | SuN | Where can one set the icon size for items in the K menu? |
| 17:21.28 | PhinnFort | SuN: in a config file |
| 17:21.29 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: With "multiple platform" he means "PS3, Xbox 360 and Windows" |
| 17:21.33 | PhinnFort | argh... |
| 17:21.43 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Just as with Oblivion |
| 17:21.43 | PhinnFort | I hoped more along the lines of OS X, Linux and BSD |
| 17:21.45 | SuN | Hm, any idea in which one? |
| 17:22.01 | PhinnFort | SuN: it is in the "old" KDE wiki |
| 17:22.06 | PhinnFort | under tips or something |
| 17:23.45 | SuN | http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Changing_the_Icon_Size_in_the_K_Menu |
| 17:23.47 | SuN | Found it. |
| 17:23.50 | PhinnFort | hmm, if someone ported Gamebryo to Linux for EGT... maybe |
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| 17:24.40 | Sho_ | EGT? |
| 17:24.50 | PhinnFort | the company that makes Gamebryo |
| 17:24.58 | PhinnFort | Gamebryo is the engine in Elder Scrolls |
| 17:25.05 | Sho_ | right, Emergent |
| 17:25.10 | Sho_ | formerly NDL NetImmerse |
| 17:25.11 | PhinnFort | Game Tech |
| 17:25.14 | Sho_ | I keep forgetting the name change :) |
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| 17:25.18 | PhinnFort | yup;) |
| 17:25.27 | oGALAXYo | so, how comes renze is sleeping.. that cant be.... |
| 17:25.28 | oGALAXYo | :) |
| 17:25.33 | Sho_ | oGALAXYo: He's old |
| 17:25.34 | Sho_ | :) |
| 17:25.42 | oGALAXYo | sucks to be old :) |
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| 17:26.15 | oGALAXYo | hmm time to compile a new gnome. |
| 17:26.19 | PhinnFort | why doesn't make isntall work?;) |
| 17:26.21 | silver_hook | Hullo. Is there a way to convience KMail to name my PGP signature into something normal - people have been grumbling about me "sending unknown and unnamed attachments" because of that already :P |
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| 17:26.27 | oGALAXYo | isntall ? |
| 17:26.29 | oGALAXYo | thats why |
| 17:26.33 | PhinnFort | oGALAXYo: you mean mince a gnome? |
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| 17:26.42 | PhinnFort | oGALAXYo: i was trying a bad joke |
| 17:27.02 | PhinnFort | i'm not really awaky, i'm in a half-asleep state, with a really bad sense of humour |
| 17:27.39 | oGALAXYo | heh |
| 17:27.52 | oGALAXYo | hmm whats commarade aseigo doing these days ? |
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| 17:27.57 | oGALAXYo | still working on that smelly fish :) |
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| 17:28.27 | aseigo | oGALAXYo: right now crying while i fix api in kdeui |
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| 17:28.37 | aseigo | oGALAXYo: while listening to talks in spanish |
| 17:28.43 | oGALAXYo | heh |
| 17:29.05 | PhinnFort | aseigo: what kind of talks? |
| 17:29.11 | oGALAXYo | aseigo: keep on working on kde 4.... i wait till it comes out officially before trying (maybe a beta before or so).. |
| 17:29.13 | PhinnFort | anything useful? |
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| 17:29.32 | aseigo | PhinnFort: right now tsdgeos is presenting on debugging with valgrind.. i'm at guademy |
| 17:29.34 | oGALAXYo | otherwise i might get a wrong impression of it.. i think since then it will be good enough for a serious test. |
| 17:29.37 | aseigo | oGALAXYo: will do =) |
| 17:30.04 | oGALAXYo | yeah and dont mess with your audience (dolphin) :) we all like you... |
| 17:30.15 | silver_hook | anyone here prepared to help with a KMail-based question? |
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| 17:30.25 | PhinnFort | silver_hook: probably |
| 17:30.55 | PhinnFort | <3 cmake |
| 17:31.30 | oGALAXYo | kde needs windows mobile 5/6 syncrhonisation. |
| 17:31.38 | PhinnFort | oGALAXYo: write it |
| 17:31.48 | oGALAXYo | it exists.. opensync.. |
| 17:31.48 | PhinnFort | :D |
| 17:31.53 | oGALAXYo | but still it kinda sucks. |
| 17:32.00 | PhinnFort | how? |
| 17:32.12 | oGALAXYo | its a huge mess to set up. |
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| 17:32.39 | Dumahen | how can i fix this problem ?? pls help me http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ekrangrntstc9.png |
| 17:33.02 | PhinnFort | oGALAXYo: well, i wouldn't know |
| 17:33.03 | PhinnFort | the last pda i had was a palm m100;) |
| 17:33.04 | oGALAXYo | since when is a picture on imageshack a problem ? |
| 17:33.05 | silver_hook | PhinnFort: any idea how (or who, if you're refering to my second question) |
| 17:33.18 | oGALAXYo | PhinnFort: palm was ok.. perfect synchronisation. |
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| 17:34.05 | PhinnFort | silver_hook: you could try in #kontact |
| 17:34.35 | PhinnFort | Dumahen: i think you need proper something |
| 17:34.37 | PhinnFort | ntsc or pal? |
| 17:35.02 | PhinnFort | Dumahen: or maybe try deactivating beryl |
| 17:35.03 | silver_hook | PhinnFort: thanks |
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| 17:38.29 | Dumahen | PhinnFort: thnx but solve it. it is about overscan :) |
| 17:38.51 | PhinnFort | i was thinking deinterlacing, but a solution is always good enough;) |
| 17:40.25 | Dumahen | PhinnFort: and i lil question. İ cant hear the voice :S |
| 17:40.39 | PhinnFort | Dumahen: tried playing around in KMix? |
| 17:41.15 | Dumahen | alsa ! |
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| 17:45.17 | opsidao | about kde4 building: i'm following the techbase tutorial to create a development environment for KDE4 and i'm getting a strange (for me ) error when bulding kdelibs |
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| 17:45.37 | PhilRod | opsidao: paste the error to a pastebin, and put the link here |
| 17:45.44 | Sho_ | Put it in a pastebin and sho ... too late |
| 17:46.59 | opsidao | http://pastebin.ca/408197 |
| 17:47.10 | opsidao | it's when doing the kdelibs "make install" |
| 17:47.26 | Sho_ | opsidao: Disk full? |
| 17:47.37 | opsidao | lol |
| 17:47.50 | opsidao | yes, that's it |
| 17:47.52 | Sho_ | =) |
| 17:47.55 | opsidao | thx |
| 17:47.57 | Sho_ | np |
| 17:48.14 | Sho_ | happens to me, too. I need more space :) |
| 17:48.17 | PhinnFort | crap... i just found a bowl with several weeks old water in my old fridge... |
| 17:48.29 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: So what new life forms have developed? |
| 17:48.46 | opsidao | I though that 90 GB partition for home was enough, damm |
| 17:48.48 | Bille | zypper dumped a 19Gb logfile on my mail server the other day - and i ripped kio_imap to pieces for 2 hours trying to find out why it wasn't working any more |
| 17:48.52 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: And more importantly, can they talk and can you recruit them for KDE? ;) |
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| 17:49.00 | opsidao | i just can't believe I had win98+slackware at a 400mb disk |
| 17:49.07 | PhinnFort | Sho_: they're very eager to develop new bugs |
| 17:49.20 | opsidao | a loooong time ago |
| 17:49.49 | Sho_ | my first HD had 40 MB I think |
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| 17:50.32 | PhinnFort | i just dug out my old ~120mb hdd, and tried to copy it over so i could play with it in qemu |
| 17:50.45 | PhinnFort | dd didn't manage to save it though |
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| 17:53.37 | MinceR | how can i set the mouse sensitivity (not acceleration) without the GNOME Control Panel? both KDE and xset only seem to offer acceleration |
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| 17:54.34 | PhinnFort | Sho_: here's a pic of the recruits: http://phinnfort.phil0d0x.com/stuff/recruits.jpg |
| 17:54.34 | oGALAXYo | gnome has such a feature ? |
| 17:54.44 | oGALAXYo | hell.... they quickly need to remove it from control center :) |
| 17:54.55 | PhinnFort | it's confusing for the (l)users |
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| 17:56.18 | MinceR | oGALAXYo: :) |
| 17:56.21 | m-o-r-i-z | hello, i have problem with gwenview: in fullscreen mode i want really fullscreen and not this browser in the top left corner |
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| 17:57.03 | m-o-r-i-z | can anyone say me how i can turn this off? |
| 17:57.15 | MinceR | currently i'm running gnome-settings-daemon alongside kde to set mouse sensitivity and to apply gtk themes but it would be nice to get rid of it :) |
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| 18:03.14 | PhinnFort | MinceR: have you tried the gtk-qt-theme thingy? |
| 18:03.33 | MinceR | not yet |
| 18:04.02 | PhinnFort | MinceR: can you explain the sensitivity thingy to me? |
| 18:04.35 | MinceR | it's a flat multiplier that's applied to mouse movements |
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| 18:04.52 | MinceR | as opposed to acceleration, where the modifier increases with the speed you move the mouse |
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| 18:05.39 | MinceR | i didn't even know x had a sensivity setting until i've found it in gnome control center |
| 18:05.52 | PhinnFort | me neither... |
| 18:06.39 | MinceR | s/iv/itiv/ |
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| 18:07.21 | t35t0r | ewww |
| 18:07.26 | MinceR | :) |
| 18:07.31 | mustmr | hi |
| 18:07.39 | mustmr | can someone help me getting flash to work with konqueror? |
| 18:07.44 | PhinnFort | MinceR: i think gnome is faking it |
| 18:07.46 | t35t0r | emerge -av netscape-flash |
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| 18:07.52 | mustmr | didnt do it |
| 18:08.00 | MinceR | i suspect so too |
| 18:08.01 | PhinnFort | MinceR: by changing the virtual mouse resolution in xorg.conf |
| 18:08.02 | oGALAXYo | PhinnFort: fake what ? |
| 18:08.08 | PhinnFort | oGALAXYo: everything |
| 18:08.22 | PhinnFort | MinceR: per http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2281807 |
| 18:08.23 | MinceR | it works in realtime so it can't be just the config file |
| 18:08.28 | oGALAXYo | PhinnFort: do you know the latest joke ? |
| 18:08.29 | t35t0r | http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php |
| 18:08.43 | oGALAXYo | PhinnFort: they are planing gnome 3 |
| 18:08.51 | PhinnFort | oGALAXYo: "planning"... |
| 18:09.02 | mustmr | hmm |
| 18:09.04 | oGALAXYo | <--- not english |
| 18:09.16 | PhinnFort | "everyone, shout out your most hallusive ideas as loud as you can";) |
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| 18:09.20 | csmanx | hey folks |
| 18:09.41 | PhinnFort | oGALAXYo: was not commenting on your writing (me is not inglirs him self), but rather gnome's idea of "planning" |
| 18:09.41 | csmanx | does anybody know how to get twinview without the toolbar to span all over your two monitors? |
| 18:09.51 | PhinnFort | brainstorm gone hurricane |
| 18:10.07 | mustmr | t35t0r: i dont use freebsd |
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| 18:10.30 | t35t0r | mustmr, it doesn't friggin matter |
| 18:10.34 | mustmr | anyway, thats what i did |
| 18:10.42 | mustmr | i emerged nsplugins |
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| 18:10.51 | mustmr | now i have the plugins in konquerors options |
| 18:11.08 | t35t0r | http://gentoo-portage.com/s?search=nsplugin |
| 18:11.08 | mustmr | and i've downloaded the flash installer from macromedia site |
| 18:11.31 | mustmr | and installed it in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 18:11.31 | PhinnFort | mustmr: you aren't on 64-bit, are you? |
| 18:11.35 | t35t0r | emerge -av netscape-flash was already the latest |
| 18:11.40 | mustmr | PhinnFort: no |
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| 18:12.09 | mustmr | but when i click on search for new plugins, konqueror doesnt find flash |
| 18:12.20 | t35t0r | ok i'll do it |
| 18:12.26 | t35t0r | emerging nsplugins |
| 18:12.31 | mustmr | lol |
| 18:12.38 | Liam2 | Hi, I'm trying to figure out how to set window attributes from the command line. I've had some success with kstart, but it can't define all the properties I want. Any ideas? |
| 18:13.17 | t35t0r | ok it was already emerging |
| 18:13.19 | t35t0r | err emerged |
| 18:13.30 | t35t0r | loading konq |
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| 18:15.29 | mustmr | t35t0r: did it work? |
| 18:15.36 | t35t0r | yes it works |
| 18:15.37 | t35t0r | :> |
| 18:15.42 | mdeanda | hey guys, is there anything out there to help lock down a computer so that kids can't visit unpermitted sights? |
| 18:15.52 | t35t0r | mdeanda, lots of ways |
| 18:15.56 | PhinnFort | mdeanda: peerguardian |
| 18:15.57 | t35t0r | mdeanda, is your comp the router? |
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| 18:16.37 | mustmr | crap |
| 18:16.44 | mustmr | it used to work on slackware |
| 18:17.16 | t35t0r | ahh i guess you can run the watchover daemon on the box itself |
| 18:17.35 | mdeanda | no i have a router. so you're saying for me to manualy make a list of allowed sights on the router? i was hoping something where the community submitted sights and rated their content or something.. i wouldn't mind setting up a second computer to do the blocking |
| 18:17.41 | t35t0r | mdeanda, no |
| 18:17.45 | t35t0r | mdeanda, use what phinn suggested |
| 18:18.17 | mdeanda | ah, cool thanks. |
| 18:18.41 | t35t0r | pg2-src.zip PeerGuardian 2 source code (for programmers) 1.33MiB |
| 18:18.42 | mdeanda | PhinnFort: is that windows only? |
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| 18:18.50 | t35t0r | where's the linux version |
| 18:18.51 | mdeanda | t35t0r: i'll look for that |
| 18:18.54 | mustmr | t35t0r: do you think i compiled something with the wrong USE flags? |
| 18:18.59 | PhinnFort | mdeanda: oh, sorry, i meant dansguardian |
| 18:19.06 | PhinnFort | :D |
| 18:19.15 | PhinnFort | it's what Ubuntu CE comes with |
| 18:19.15 | t35t0r | heh that's in portage |
| 18:19.22 | t35t0r | http://gentoo-portage.com/net-proxy/dansguardian |
| 18:19.29 | PhinnFort | http://dansguardian.org/ |
| 18:19.42 | mdeanda | PhinnFort: ah thanks. |
| 18:19.48 | PhinnFort | if you want it set up and installed, with a nice gui, use Ubuntu CE |
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| 18:19.59 | pinotree | mdeanda: use the kde kiosk framework, and kiosktool |
| 18:20.03 | t35t0r | does that run like a monitor daemon? |
| 18:20.21 | PhinnFort | t35t0r: dansguardian runs like a proxy, i believe |
| 18:20.25 | t35t0r | ahh ok |
| 18:20.59 | t35t0r | mustmr, i just have all the regular nsplugins loaded up and i installed nsplugins |
| 18:21.01 | PhinnFort | mdeanda: use kiosktool, as pinotree said, together with dansguardian, and your kids should be safe;) |
| 18:21.06 | mdeanda | i'm trying to keep myself from looking at adult content... ;) j/k |
| 18:21.27 | t35t0r | mustmr, then i did refresh the plugins and went to flash test site |
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| 18:21.37 | t35t0r | mustmr, it didn't work before i refreshed them |
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| 18:24.00 | PhinnFort | wooohoo, kdelibs is 32% finished building |
| 18:24.36 | t35t0r | lol |
| 18:24.47 | opsidao | heh, i'm with kdebase ;) |
| 18:25.02 | PhinnFort | :P |
| 18:25.04 | Lanken | PhinnFort: how do you know that? Emerge is frustrating about giving me feedback about my progress. What are you using? |
| 18:25.14 | t35t0r | de-base/kdelibs Total builds: 51 Global build time: 2 days, 10 hours, 59 minutes and 57 seconds. Average merge time: 1 hour, 9 minutes and 24 seconds. |
| 18:25.21 | opsidao | when building from source it just shows progress |
| 18:25.21 | Muad`dib | Lanken: genlop |
| 18:25.25 | opsidao | and nice colors |
| 18:25.33 | PhinnFort | Lanken: i'm using Kubuntu |
| 18:25.33 | PhinnFort | ;) |
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| 18:25.45 | PhinnFort | i gave up on gentoo after ~2 years of steady use |
| 18:25.55 | t35t0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.27 | t35t0r | it was moved to kdebase-meta |
| 18:26.27 | Lanken | PhinnFort: and you're building it rather than installing the binary? Noble. |
| 18:26.27 | t35t0r | kdebase no longer exists |
| 18:26.28 | PhinnFort | Lanken: i'm compiling the source from trunk |
| 18:26.28 | PhinnFort | "[ 35%] Building CXX object kio/CMakeFiles/kio.dir/kfile/kfilespeedbar.o" |
| 18:26.30 | t35t0r | gentoo is the best development distro imho |
| 18:26.34 | PhinnFort | <3 cmake <3 |
| 18:26.42 | PhinnFort | t35t0r: why? |
| 18:26.44 | t35t0r | genlop -c :> |
| 18:27.07 | t35t0r | PhinnFort, cause everything is there ..i don't have to run around adding reps and i usually i can just bump an ebuild |
| 18:27.21 | t35t0r | some reps i do have added like gentoo-scientific and gentoo-experimental |
| 18:27.36 | t35t0r | but for most everything is there |
| 18:27.39 | PhinnFort | t35t0r: everything is not there... I remember the frustration of hunting down ebuilds and reps |
| 18:27.44 | PhinnFort | that's another reason i switched |
| 18:27.52 | t35t0r | hunting down ebuilds? |
| 18:27.56 | PhinnFort | in reps |
| 18:28.01 | t35t0r | there are no repositories |
| 18:28.06 | PhinnFort | adding an overlay for one ebuild is silly |
| 18:28.07 | t35t0r | there is one main gentoo rsync |
| 18:28.20 | t35t0r | well most people don't build their own overlays or ebuilds |
| 18:28.26 | t35t0r | at most someone might try to bump something |
| 18:28.33 | PhinnFort | t35t0r: bump? |
| 18:28.33 | t35t0r | but most apps are bleeding edge already |
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| 18:28.42 | PhinnFort | you mean unmask? |
| 18:28.45 | t35t0r | no |
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| 18:29.02 | t35t0r | i can version bump an ebuild to upgrade to a newer version if the ebuild for it isn't in portage |
| 18:29.07 | PhinnFort | ah |
| 18:29.16 | t35t0r | just change it's version number in my overlay |
| 18:29.20 | PhinnFort | but then you have to create your own overlay |
| 18:29.26 | MinceR | i remember the frustration of having ebuilds that fail to compile :> |
| 18:29.35 | mustmr | PhinnFort: what made u switch to kubuntu? |
| 18:29.39 | t35t0r | well that uis bound to happen |
| 18:29.44 | PhinnFort | and make sure your new ebuild doesn't conflict with a later version in official tree |
| 18:29.47 | PhinnFort | mustmr: lots of reasons |
| 18:29.47 | t35t0r | oh well for development i haven't found any better |
| 18:29.58 | PhinnFort | mustmr: biggest reason is that i was tired of compiling everything |
| 18:30.11 | t35t0r | i used ubuntu, rhel, suse |
| 18:30.16 | MinceR | made me switch to ubuntu (though the way i'm using it it's more like kubuntu :) ) |
| 18:30.19 | t35t0r | gentoo still fav :> |
| 18:30.30 | PhinnFort | MinceR: late nights tracking down build errors... waking up, hoping your computer was up to date, only to find that the first ebuild failed |
| 18:30.31 | mustmr | i used ubuntu sometime ago |
| 18:30.33 | mustmr | and it was SLOW |
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| 18:30.42 | t35t0r | yes all packages in ubuntu are catered for i486 |
| 18:30.43 | PhinnFort | mustmr: how? |
| 18:30.51 | PhinnFort | t35t0r: doesn't mean anything in RL |
| 18:30.51 | MinceR | i didn't dare leave it to update at night |
| 18:30.56 | t35t0r | heh ok whatever |
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| 18:30.59 | PhinnFort | MinceR: i had to;) |
| 18:31.05 | mustmr | PhinnFort: it felt a bit like windows.. |
| 18:31.13 | PhinnFort | mustmr: how? |
| 18:31.14 | PhinnFort | i ask |
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| 18:31.22 | mustmr | PhinnFort: i click in a menu, 4s later it opens |
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| 18:31.38 | PhinnFort | mustmr: then something was wrong;) |
| 18:31.49 | MinceR | indeed |
| 18:31.51 | MinceR | i don't find it noticeably slower than gentoo was |
| 18:32.00 | PhinnFort | i don't find it any slower |
| 18:32.07 | PhinnFort | it actually boots quicker |
| 18:32.09 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 18:32.12 | mustmr | =O |
| 18:32.16 | PhinnFort | not compared to init-ng, though |
| 18:32.22 | PeterFA | What's the quickest way to decrease the transparency of the taskbar? I know there's a fake transparency setting, but this seems to be affected by a different transparency setting which has now decided to include the taskbar, Mr. kicker. |
| 18:32.24 | PhinnFort | but i gave up on init-ng |
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| 18:32.50 | nondysjunction | Waaa, kdenlive crashes on startup. >_< |
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| 18:32.59 | PhinnFort | nondysjunction: it's very early alpha, isn't it? |
| 18:33.00 | Sho_ | Gentoo boots pretty speedy if you enable parallel service startup |
| 18:33.10 | t35t0r | parallel service startup"? |
| 18:33.12 | t35t0r | hrmm |
| 18:33.14 | PhinnFort | Sho_: so does the new startup manager of Ubuntu |
| 18:33.15 | t35t0r | sounds interesting .. |
| 18:33.19 | nondysjunction | PhinnFort: likely. I actually didn't catch the version as I installed it. |
| 18:33.24 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: True, but Gentoo had it a lot sooner .. |
| 18:33.30 | mustmr | i'm thinking of trying fedora.. |
| 18:33.37 | PhinnFort | Sho_: but Ubuntu has a completely redesigned startup manager |
| 18:33.38 | mustmr | read some good stuff about it |
| 18:33.39 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: And Gentoo doesn't break Konversation =) |
| 18:33.45 | PhinnFort | Sho_: ;) |
| 18:33.48 | t35t0r | mustmr, it's like ubuntu with rpm's |
| 18:33.50 | PhinnFort | Dhraakellian: it pwns |
| 18:33.56 | t35t0r | and other reps |
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| 18:34.00 | Sho_ | Dhraakellian: It's very, very buggy |
| 18:34.00 | PhinnFort | t35t0r: and not all the cool stuff;) |
| 18:34.06 | Lanken | mustmr: what did you read? I don't really see what fedora should be used for. |
| 18:34.06 | t35t0r | maybe maybe not |
| 18:34.06 | Dhraakellian | I personally don't have a problem with kaffeine |
| 18:34.06 | muh2000_ | wow @ kmail. i was writing something about an atachment... wanted to send and kmail asked that maybe i forgot a file :D |
| 18:34.10 | nondysjunction | Gentoo is just too awesome, don't even try and compare it to that silly, ubuntu-filth. =D |
| 18:34.11 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 18:34.17 | PhinnFort | nondysjunction: :P |
| 18:34.21 | Sho_ | Ok, Kaffeine is very buggy too, so if you like that it might be a good fit ;) |
| 18:34.39 | muh2000_ | kaffeine gives me green error pixels with beryl :( |
| 18:34.43 | Dhraakellian | one example of smart functionality that I'm *not* seeing in codeine is pausing when I switch desktops |
| 18:34.50 | Lanken | muh2000_: too bad it can't figure out that I meant to send a link. I do that all the time "subj: hey guys check this out" "body: funny huh!" |
| 18:34.56 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 18:34.57 | mustmr | Lanken: i actually read it on gentoo forums, a lot of people saying that it is fast, and didn't complicate things like suse's yast |
| 18:35.13 | muh2000_ | Lanken lol |
| 18:35.19 | Dhraakellian | so, if I ditch Gentoo when Kubuntu Feisty is finally released... |
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| 18:35.37 | nondysjunction | PhinnFort: I guess I'm a biased SoB though. =D |
| 18:35.45 | PeterFA | Crud, kicker is way too translucent. I can't seem to find the setting the increase opacity. |
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| 18:35.54 | fir3 | muh2000_: change video driver in xine engine options then |
| 18:36.03 | Dhraakellian | (well, "ditch" would be the wrong word. I am planning to totally back up my 15GB root partition on my mom's huge HD before blowing stuff away) |
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| 18:36.48 | Dhraakellian | just compiling a month's worth of updates that were missed while distro-hopping shouldn't be too bad though |
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| 18:37.12 | t35t0r | if you don't update daily you will be hurting in gentoo |
| 18:37.13 | PhinnFort | nondysjunction: probably me too, but I did give gentoo a two year test run before giving up on it |
| 18:37.15 | MinceR | hm.. apparently i've misunderstood that setting -- it's the acceleration threshold. the trick was probably that i could have <1 acceleration values. |
| 18:37.33 | nondysjunction | PhinnFort: :) |
| 18:37.37 | PhinnFort | ;) |
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| 18:37.58 | nondysjunction | PhinnFort: I switch around now and then, but I always come running back to gentoo, its so epic. |
| 18:38.07 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 18:38.08 | nondysjunction | s/its/it's |
| 18:38.13 | PhinnFort | crazy fool;) |
| 18:38.28 | nondysjunction | Of course, I'm crrazy. |
| 18:38.46 | nondysjunction | We all are, look what OS we're using! |
| 18:39.06 | PhinnFort | well, i would rather say that the other ~90% are the crazy ones |
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| 18:39.24 | Lanken | nondysjunction: I'm running BeOS on my other box ;) |
| 18:39.36 | nondysjunction | PhinnFort: they're all stupid, not crazy. Personally I'd rather be crazy. |
| 18:40.08 | PhinnFort | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ if anyone cares |
| 18:40.12 | Dhraakellian | t35t0r: I generally update every couple weeks or so |
| 18:40.13 | mustmr | i'll only switch distro if my gentoo breaks |
| 18:40.28 | PhinnFort | mustmr: i had that happen once too |
| 18:40.30 | nondysjunction | Gentoo? Break? Impossible! </sarcasm> |
| 18:40.32 | PhinnFort | nothing would compile anymore |
| 18:40.36 | Dhraakellian | it takes a while, yes, but that just means that I have to pick a time when I don't plan on playing Nexuiz for a few hours |
| 18:40.39 | PhinnFort | i think glibc b0rked out |
| 18:41.03 | mustmr | =x |
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| 18:41.17 | muh2000_ | fir3 recomend me an videodriver plz. it is auto now |
| 18:41.23 | PhinnFort | btw, nondysjunction, good luck with finding an ebuild for vegastrike;) |
| 18:41.30 | PhinnFort | that was the drop that made me switch;) |
| 18:42.02 | PhinnFort | Dhraakellian: it was usable before i switched, but not very recommended |
| 18:42.12 | fir3 | muh2000_: try xshm |
| 18:42.12 | oGALAXYo | bah, i so much hate it that they splitted XOrg into dozen files. |
| 18:42.19 | oGALAXYo | one tgz file.. thats all i want. |
| 18:43.00 | PhinnFort | tbz2 |
| 18:43.04 | mustmr | right now |
| 18:43.19 | oGALAXYo | yeah no matter.. but all in one file.. as it used to be. |
| 18:43.34 | nondysjunction | PhinnFort: I wasn't looking for one? |
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| 18:43.39 | mustmr | i just wanna get flash to work in konq |
| 18:43.57 | PhinnFort | nondysjunction: you won't find one, either |
| 18:44.26 | Dhraakellian | PhinnFort: so I'll just wait for the switch to be official |
| 18:45.23 | smokey777 | how do ya install frostwire on 3.3? |
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| 18:49.55 | mustmr | crap |
| 18:50.31 | mustmr | i've tried every tutorial on the internet |
| 18:50.51 | PhinnFort | who |
| 18:50.54 | PhinnFort | a |
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| 18:51.08 | mustmr | why is it that i cant get flash to work with konqueror? |
| 18:51.18 | fir3 | mustmr: for me it works |
| 18:51.34 | oGALAXYo | mustmr: why dont you extract the flash crap into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 18:51.45 | oGALAXYo | and point konqueror's search path for plugins into that dir ? |
| 18:51.56 | mustmr | oGALAXYo: it doesnt work |
| 18:51.57 | oGALAXYo | thats.. less than 30 seconds of work. |
| 18:52.08 | oGALAXYo | does it find the flash plugin ? |
| 18:52.12 | mustmr | oGALAXYo: no |
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| 18:52.18 | oGALAXYo | goto 1 |
| 18:52.22 | oGALAXYo | <oGALAXYo> mustmr: why dont you extract the flash crap into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 18:52.25 | oGALAXYo | <oGALAXYo> and point konqueror's search path for plugins into that dir ? |
| 18:52.28 | oGALAXYo | <oGALAXYo> thats.. less than 30 seconds of work. |
| 18:52.31 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: stop that |
| 18:52.34 | mustmr | i've tried ~/.mozilla/plugins, ~/.netscape/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 18:52.39 | pinotree | if you want to help, do it SERIOUSLY> |
| 18:52.44 | mustmr | konqueror doesnt find it |
| 18:53.00 | oGALAXYo | mustmr: ok please use the linux flash plugins and not the windows ones. |
| 18:53.05 | oGALAXYo | and depack the tarball first. |
| 18:53.05 | PhinnFort | mustmr: permissions? |
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| 18:53.21 | pinotree | mustmr: did you install the flash plugin in the way your distro allows you? |
| 18:53.24 | sortadi | anybody experiencing rndom konqueror crashes when renaming a folder? |
| 18:53.29 | sortadi | *random |
| 18:53.33 | oGALAXYo | no |
| 18:53.39 | pinotree | usually distro's provide automated ways to do that |
| 18:53.40 | oGALAXYo | sortadi: gentoo ? |
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| 18:53.56 | sortadi | oGALAXYo, no, debian |
| 18:53.57 | mustmr | permissions are alright |
| 18:54.08 | oGALAXYo | sortadi: hmmm what kde version ? |
| 18:54.16 | sortadi | oGALAXYo, KDE 3.5 |
| 18:54.16 | pinotree | mustmr: are they found correctly by eg firefox? |
| 18:54.18 | mustmr | i didn't do the emerge netscape-flash, cause it has to build gtk and that crap |
| 18:54.30 | mustmr | don't have firefox |
| 18:54.33 | oGALAXYo | sortadi: plain kde 3.5 or any minor version like 3.5.6 ? |
| 18:54.48 | sortadi | oGALAXYo, let me see |
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| 18:55.38 | pinotree | mustmr: i have no idea about gentoo packages and their contents, so i what i can suggest you is asking in #gentoo or #gentoo-kde, so you are sure to install it in the proper way |
| 18:56.28 | oGALAXYo | mustmr: yeah new flash 9 requires gtk |
| 18:56.41 | mustmr | oGALAXYo: ... |
| 18:56.47 | mustmr | oGALAXYo: lol |
| 18:56.49 | pinotree | sortadi: are you able to reproduce that? |
| 18:56.52 | mustmr | oGALAXYo: u serious? |
| 18:56.52 | oGALAXYo | yeah sucks. |
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| 18:57.00 | oGALAXYo | yes.. at least it requires glib |
| 18:57.06 | mustmr | k... |
| 18:57.09 | oGALAXYo | the reason why it regulary crashes here.. |
| 18:57.17 | mustmr | another question |
| 18:57.25 | sortadi | pinotree, yes |
| 18:57.28 | mustmr | is there a way to view the percentage of a compilation? |
| 18:57.33 | mustmr | like in ubuntu's apt-get |
| 18:57.38 | mustmr | =P |
| 18:57.42 | pinotree | #gentoo |
| 18:57.44 | oGALAXYo | the gob module of my glib is broken (its broken in svn anyways) and thus causes the plugin to crash here.. sigv code in gobject is broken. |
| 18:58.12 | pinotree | sortadi: do you get a crash dialog, with a bracktrace? |
| 18:58.19 | sortadi | oGALAXYo, 3.5.5 |
| 18:58.24 | sortadi | pinotree, yep |
| 18:58.33 | oGALAXYo | i think that tools like flash, and a few others should NOT depend on a specific desktop. |
| 18:58.40 | oGALAXYo | it sucks so much. |
| 18:58.46 | sortadi | pinotree, well I closed it. Let me try and reproduce it |
| 18:58.47 | PhinnFort | even opera uses Qt |
| 18:59.14 | PhinnFort | qt is superios |
| 18:59.16 | PhinnFort | *or |
| 18:59.17 | pinotree | sortadi: suggestion: file a bug at bugs.kde.org, describing what you can do for reproducing the issue (if you are able to do so), |
| 18:59.25 | pinotree | sortadi: and the backtrace of the crash |
| 18:59.27 | oGALAXYo | PhinnFort: yeah but the gnome people are talking the hell out of opera to switch to gtk+ |
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| 18:59.51 | PhinnFort | oGALAXYo: well, if they do, i'll never, ever, use opera again |
| 18:59.54 | mustmr | kde is superior |
| 18:59.54 | sortadi | pinotree, ok, I will. But i have gone through kde bts and there's nothing similar to what I'm experiencing |
| 18:59.58 | mustmr | it's so functional |
| 18:59.59 | PhinnFort | and i'm kind of a hardcore opera user |
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| 19:00.16 | pinotree | sortadi: good :) |
| 19:01.22 | fir3 | stalker doesn't work on wine :/ |
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| 19:02.57 | oGALAXYo | PhinnFort: same with vmware. it was motif based... and now after they stuffed all the gnome cruft into it it matured double the size... and hell it crashes if you use different native versions of the GNOME stuf fon your systems.. |
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| 19:03.50 | PhinnFort | oGALAXYo: another reason not to use VMWare;) |
| 19:04.16 | oGALAXYo | i depend on it.. for work reasons. |
| 19:04.42 | PhinnFort | can't use the competition? |
| 19:04.43 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: can you gently bring you gtk/gnome-hate blamings out of here please? |
| 19:04.58 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: it's not the first time, and i' getting tired of that |
| 19:05.02 | PhinnFort | wasn't there another commercial virtualization software that recently was open sourced |
| 19:05.21 | PhinnFort | #anti-gnome |
| 19:05.29 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 19:05.29 | fir3 | virtualbox |
| 19:05.33 | oGALAXYo | pinotree: these days its hard to not mention the other for direct comparison. its not like gnome is NOT existing so that you can avoid talking about it. |
| 19:05.55 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: talking is different that taking that as excuse to blame it all the time |
| 19:06.00 | pinotree | that's quiiiite different |
| 19:06.38 | oGALAXYo | yeah i had bad experiences with it :) |
| 19:06.54 | pinotree | again, not an excuse to blame it all the time |
| 19:06.58 | PhinnFort | can i blame entropy on gnome, pretty please? |
| 19:07.11 | pinotree | PhinnFort: anywhere, not here |
| 19:07.13 | oGALAXYo | it needs years until i get cured from it :) |
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| 19:08.52 | PhinnFort | there are raisins embedded in the floor here... |
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| 19:09.26 | Dhraakellian | just for the heck of it |
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| 19:09.52 | PhinnFort | why not kubuntu feisty? |
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| 19:09.56 | PhinnFort | it's much prettier;) |
| 19:10.12 | Dhraakellian | PhinnFort: to keep my disgust fresh? |
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| 19:10.37 | Dhraakellian | seriously, I can't bash gnome with any authority if I haven't used it since 2.10 |
| 19:10.47 | PhinnFort | ah;) |
| 19:10.56 | oGALAXYo | i can |
| 19:10.58 | Dhraakellian | that'd be like saying that all of KDE sucks because there were some bugs that really ticked you off in 3.3 |
| 19:11.28 | oGALAXYo | "because there were SOME bugs".. |
| 19:11.41 | oGALAXYo | yes.. but we dont speak about SOME bugs here... :) |
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| 19:12.59 | MinceR | imo gnome is going in a completely wrong direction |
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| 19:13.10 | PhinnFort | MinceR: they have direction?;) |
| 19:13.23 | oGALAXYo | where they go, there are no roads :) |
| 19:13.42 | PhinnFort | all i know, is that amarok goes fast forward |
| 19:14.12 | MinceR | i still prefer audacious to amarok :> |
| 19:15.27 | PhinnFort | http://www.liveaudacious.com/ ? |
| 19:15.46 | PhinnFort | or the xmms ripoff?;) |
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| 19:16.42 | narutosan | may i know is someone working on KDEPrint?? |
| 19:17.41 | MinceR | the xmms fork |
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| 19:20.09 | annma | narutosan: for KDE4? |
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| 19:25.56 | narutosan | yes |
| 19:26.13 | annma | yes I believe it is worked on |
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| 19:33.44 | mustmr | yay |
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| 19:33.49 | mustmr | flash is working =) |
| 19:33.55 | Lanken | anyone know anything about Sager laptops? |
| 19:34.30 | mustmr | x11-libs/gtk+-2.10.9 merge time: 13 minutes and 49 seconds |
| 19:35.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | In my initscripts, there is one called kde-guidance |
| 19:35.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | What is it, what does it do and is it safe to remove? |
| 19:35.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm running Debian Etch. |
| 19:36.26 | opsidao | ppl, I'm planning on applying to GSoC this year with KDE, i've an half-done/unended/buggy version of my proposal online, and I would like to know what do you think of it: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgstv5h4_18gnvk94 |
| 19:36.27 | annma | guidance is a collection of KControl additions |
| 19:36.30 | opsidao | thx in advance |
| 19:36.44 | cheal | opsidao: ask #kde-devel |
| 19:36.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | annma: What kind? Laptop stuff, etc? |
| 19:36.53 | annma | Dark_Apostrophe: so you'll loose some panels in KControl I think |
| 19:37.01 | annma | users grub display |
| 19:37.03 | opsidao | cheal: thx |
| 19:37.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh. Then I'll leave it alone. |
| 19:37.38 | annma | Dark_Apostrophe: I thought it was a KUbuntu thing mainly |
| 19:37.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | annma: What is resmgr? (Probably not KDE related) |
| 19:37.50 | annma | opsidao: when is the dead line? |
| 19:37.56 | opsidao | on monday |
| 19:38.00 | sortadi | PhinnFort, I don't know why in the search for bugs function this didn't came up: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85557 |
| 19:38.00 | opsidao | it has been extended |
| 19:38.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's also an initscript, and man is scarce with info on what it does |
| 19:38.06 | annma | Dark_Apostrophe: resmng looks like Resolution Manager |
| 19:38.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Resource Manager |
| 19:38.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.28 | sortadi | PhinnFort, but as you can see there, there's an already filed bur report with the same issue. I just added a commentary at the end |
| 19:38.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | From man ^ |
| 19:38.30 | annma | ok then it manages your resources |
| 19:38.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Doesn't tell me a lot |
| 19:38.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | What kind of resources? |
| 19:38.39 | sortadi | s/bur/bug |
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| 19:38.50 | annma | Dark_Apostrophe: not sure, ask in #debian |
| 19:38.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | I did, three times |
| 19:39.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | No replies |
| 19:39.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm trying to remove stuff from my init |
| 19:39.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | To make the system boot quicker |
| 19:40.07 | annma | hmmm, I cannot tell you as I don't run Debian |
| 19:40.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok... thanks anyway :) |
| 19:40.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyhow, how is Plasma coming along? |
| 19:40.36 | annma | personally I use a graphical tool to halt services |
| 19:40.49 | annma | I think it's coming nicely Dark_Apostrophe |
| 19:41.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Alpha-level yet? |
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| 19:41.13 | Alethes | anybody know of software for linux to create chm files from html? |
| 19:41.16 | annma | we made the roadmap for KDE4 so now we have to make it happen |
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| 19:41.27 | annma | not alpha, no |
| 19:42.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Alethes: kchmviewer? |
| 19:42.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | (I don't even know what chm files are, I only heard of that app...) |
| 19:42.39 | Alethes | Dark_Apostrophe: I need something to create -- not view |
| 19:42.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can't help you, dude, sorry |
| 19:43.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't even know what chm files do :P |
| 19:43.05 | Alethes | it's what Windows uses for help |
| 19:43.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, run the windows app under Wine? |
| 19:43.33 | Alethes | *sigh* |
| 19:43.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sorry dude... |
| 19:43.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't know.. |
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| 19:44.33 | Alethes | most of the time we linux people want the reverse |
| 19:44.39 | Alethes | since html is a more standard format |
| 19:45.59 | Alethes | I'm trying to create an api browser for all the devs at work that we can all use |
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| 19:46.09 | Alethes | but I want something that integrates with our various IDEs |
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| 19:46.19 | Alethes | like kdevelop, textpad, etc |
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| 19:47.23 | Alethes | oh yeah and komodo |
| 19:47.36 | annma | API browser? please define that? |
| 19:48.02 | Alethes | um, well an api reference |
| 19:48.13 | annma | reference? |
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| 19:48.24 | Alethes | so you have a list of all the functions and you click on those and can get usage info |
| 19:48.54 | annma | isn't API doc in HTML most of the time? |
| 19:48.54 | Alethes | you know how kdevelop has the documentation tab on the right? |
| 19:49.12 | annma | the doc tab is a KHTML part, no? |
| 19:49.20 | Alethes | you're missing my point |
| 19:49.25 | NickGarvey | the themes I installed on superkaramba aren't in the list of installed themes, (none are), but I want to uninstall them, how would I do that? |
| 19:49.25 | annma | well yes |
| 19:49.25 | Alethes | not all my devs use kdevelop |
| 19:49.36 | Alethes | I want something all our IDEs can integrate with |
| 19:49.44 | annma | yes but I asked: isn't API doc in HTML most of the time? |
| 19:49.52 | annma | what other formats exist? |
| 19:49.59 | Alethes | yes, but textpad only allows for chm, for example |
| 19:50.16 | Alethes | so I want to create a chm of the documentation because all our IDEs support it |
| 19:50.41 | pinotree | Alethes: you have to work on Doxygen |
| 19:50.44 | annma | what is textpad? what are your devs? |
| 19:50.53 | pinotree | we use doygen to generate the apidox |
| 19:51.12 | Alethes | textpad is just an ide for windows |
| 19:51.19 | pinotree | doxygen is already able to produce some different formats, like HTML, XML, troff, DVI |
| 19:51.23 | oGALAXYo | i use VIM on windows. |
| 19:51.34 | annma | latex as well i think for doxygen |
| 19:51.36 | PF-Away | busted: http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1445 |
| 19:51.39 | PF-Away | search for goth;) |
| 19:51.41 | PF-Away | in-page |
| 19:52.33 | annma | your textpad has no chm browser then? |
| 19:53.25 | Alethes | textpad does support chm, I use kdevelop, but I want to allow my other devs to use the same file |
| 19:53.54 | annma | you use kdevelop on windows? |
| 19:54.10 | Alethes | no |
| 19:54.12 | Alethes | I use linux |
| 19:54.15 | annma | hmm or you're doing a cross platform open source project? |
| 19:54.32 | Alethes | it's not an open source project, it's software we do at work |
| 19:54.32 | annma | you use linux, your devs use windows |
| 19:54.46 | Alethes | we use a mixture of windows and linux for dev work |
| 19:54.53 | annma | you develop windows software in linux? |
| 19:54.56 | annma | ah |
| 19:55.22 | annma | and you do the api doc |
| 19:55.53 | Alethes | well, it's not my primary project, but I'm doing it 'cause I want to make our job easier |
| 19:56.33 | annma | i found a paying tool |
| 19:57.03 | annma | I also charge for giving away the url in fact |
| 19:57.07 | Alethes | heh |
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| 19:59.02 | annma | I guess this chm is a closed format |
| 19:59.41 | annma | I was going to add "bastard" but I refrained |
| 20:00.32 | Lanken | what kind of user should have a dual-core processor? |
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| 20:00.45 | Simkin | the kind that can't afford a 4 core processor :) |
| 20:00.52 | Alethes | hah |
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| 20:01.02 | annma | Lanken: the kind of user who pretends to comiple stuff |
| 20:01.04 | oGALAXYo | Lanken: well there is rarely a cpu without dualcore anymore... you should ask who needs a dual core 2 processor. |
| 20:01.06 | annma | compile |
| 20:01.19 | oGALAXYo | dualcore is quite "normal" these days |
| 20:01.24 | oGALAXYo | dualcore2 is not. |
| 20:02.09 | Lanken | what is dualcore2? a core 2 duo is just dual core, so you can't mean that... |
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| 20:03.15 | Lanken | annma: I compile stuff but I'm not a developer so I don't have to do it often. So I don't think compiling is a good reason for me to want a dual-core computer. |
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| 20:03.23 | PF-Away | are there anyone currently working on the oxygen sounds? |
| 20:03.30 | annma | PF-Away: yes |
| 20:03.37 | madd_matt | I removed the "trash" icon from my desktop, and I don't know how to get it back. |
| 20:03.37 | pinotree | PF-Away: #kde-artists |
| 20:03.38 | PF-Away | cool |
| 20:04.01 | Dhraakellian | madd_matt: trash:/ in konqueror |
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| 20:04.11 | Dhraakellian | it's not the desktop icon, but it's what it points to |
| 20:04.13 | Dhraakellian | actually... |
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| 20:05.05 | madd_matt | Dhraakellian, great! I just made a link to trash:/, which did it great ;) |
| 20:05.25 | Dhraakellian | yeah, I was just checking to see how well/if that'd work |
| 20:05.43 | madd_matt | Indeed it does. I just couldn't remember how to access the trash in kde :s |
| 20:06.16 | oGALAXYo | Lanken: well iirc a core duo != core 2 duo. |
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| 20:06.33 | oGALAXYo | Lanken: there is a price difference here in germany for nearly 500 euro. |
| 20:06.43 | oGALAXYo | Lanken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2 |
| 20:06.51 | Lanken | core 2 is the first revision of the "core" architecture. Like core 2 is to core as pentium 2 is to pentium. |
| 20:07.07 | Lanken | nobody is selling core duo laptops though, at least as far as I've seen. |
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| 20:07.44 | oGALAXYo | Lanken: is it so ? |
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| 20:08.13 | pinotree | Lanken: question: what do dual core processors have to do with #kde ? |
| 20:08.38 | madd_matt | pinotree, i'm running KDE on a core 2 duo ;D |
| 20:08.53 | pinotree | it's not what he asked |
| 20:08.53 | Lanken | pinotree: well whatever I get, I'm going to run kde on it....I know, I'm a bad guy. But people weren't really interested in the other channels I'm in. |
| 20:09.12 | pinotree | ok, then it's time to repeat that again: |
| 20:09.18 | Lanken | I'm a bad guy. |
| 20:09.23 | pinotree | THIS CHANNEL IS NOT LIKE "THE OTHERS CHANNEL" |
| 20:09.31 | oGALAXYo | definately :) |
| 20:09.31 | pinotree | stick it on your head |
| 20:09.38 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: you as first |
| 20:09.55 | oGALAXYo | pinotree: dont blame me. |
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| 20:10.20 | pinotree | seriously, i'm pissed off of people asking every fscking thing they have in mind, saying: in other channels i can |
| 20:10.30 | pinotree | where is the damn netiquette?!??!?! |
| 20:10.44 | pinotree | this is #kde, and it _HAS_ a topic |
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| 20:10.52 | pinotree | if you do no agree, get out of here |
| 20:10.55 | pinotree | thanks |
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| 20:11.06 | oGALAXYo | pinotree: actually i believe you are overreacting now. |
| 20:11.23 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: right, next time i won't blame you - just kicking directly with no warning |
| 20:11.57 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: it's always easy tocomplian other's people job, eh? |
| 20:11.59 | oGALAXYo | whats up ? if you have any problems then please dont dump it towards us.. you just made your point and i believe everyone got your point already. but no need to overreact now. |
| 20:12.08 | Lanken | pinotree: I didn't mean that other channels' rules applied here, or that discussion here could range freely. I just gave up trying there because I was pretty sure people here would be at least idly interested. |
| 20:12.22 | Alethes | so, since nobody has any kde-specific questions, we might as well all leave pinotree here alone :) |
| 20:12.35 | Alethes | or idle |
| 20:12.38 | Alethes | what's the point of that? heh |
| 20:12.40 | pinotree | Alethes: fine, nobody obliges you to be here |
| 20:12.50 | oGALAXYo | same to you |
| 20:12.56 | pinotree | Lanken: imagine 340 people asking anything they wany |
| 20:13.00 | pinotree | *want |
| 20:13.10 | Lanken | oGALAXYo: no, I want pinotree here. |
| 20:13.18 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: i'm trying to have *ORDER* in here |
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| 20:13.27 | Alethes | it's not exactly chaotic, pinotree |
| 20:13.31 | oGALAXYo | pinotree: thats ok.. |
| 20:13.35 | Lanken | pinotree: I wish I could get all 340 of them to join #kde-lounge, but it would be tough. |
| 20:13.42 | Alethes | the discussion about CPUs isn't exactly crowding out kde questions |
| 20:13.45 | pinotree | and the fact that you actually are 90% offtopic, proves that there needs to be some sort of checking |
| 20:14.08 | pinotree | you == oGALAXYo, of course |
| 20:14.17 | Tuju | http://rafb.net/p/6Aki7a45.html |
| 20:15.06 | pinotree | Tuju: is that a kmail crash? i remember having seen it quite often among the kmail reported crashes on bugs.kde.org |
| 20:16.09 | Tuju | pinotree: yep, it is kmail crash. |
| 20:16.33 | PhilRod | the thing with kmail bt's is that they're all the same :-) |
| 20:16.38 | PhilRod | well, not quite, but nearly |
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| 20:16.56 | Tuju | it could be caused that I have congested network connection atm |
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| 20:21.04 | nondysjunction | <_< |
| 20:21.28 | nondysjunction | How does codec type affect transcod duration? |
| 20:21.57 | thiago | what? |
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| 20:22.33 | nondysjunction | Err, nevermind. I'm slightly insane. |
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| 20:38.46 | foobarz | on my K start button, I got two "Wine" program groups/folders. One looks like a wine glass, the other has a blue folder icon. Which is the correct one? |
| 20:39.03 | annma | wine glass |
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| 20:40.30 | foobarz | the one that looks like a wine glass has only 1 thing in it, while the blue folder one has many things in it like it was understood more somehow... I want to clean this up on my KDE button. Is ther a way to clear it out and remake the entries correctly? |
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| 20:43.11 | foobarz | the other thing is, I don't want Wine programs showing up on the "Most Used Applications" menu |
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| 20:45.57 | foobarz | (my KDE is 3.5.6 and Slackware -current) |
| 20:46.00 | inimesekene | hello |
| 20:46.13 | inimesekene | how can i make kde automatically save/restore session? |
| 20:46.18 | Ash-Fox | What a weird conversation.... "Hey.. You use KDE right?" "Err.. yeah" "Do you know where I can get some porno of that dragon logo thing" "Errr.. No." |
| 20:46.57 | Ash-Fox | inimesekene, it's a setting in kcontrol |
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| 20:47.35 | inimesekene | Ash-Fox, approximately where? in kcontrol? |
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| 20:48.05 | edeca | In kmail, is it possible to copy all messages from one IMAP host to another? |
| 20:48.07 | Ash-Fox | inimesekene, well, there is this search function you can use in kcontrol. |
| 20:48.27 | inimesekene | Ash-Fox, ah, found it :) |
| 20:48.31 | inimesekene | thanks |
| 20:48.36 | Ash-Fox | No problem |
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| 20:49.27 | Simkin | oh man |
| 20:49.29 | Simkin | i love my new printer |
| 20:49.34 | Simkin | it does up to 13x19 ! |
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| 20:57.08 | KisSme | salut |
| 20:57.29 | kirun | hi |
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| 21:07.33 | mariux | any chess games for kde? |
| 21:07.45 | oGALAXYo | plenty |
| 21:08.14 | opsidao | knights f.e. |
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| 21:08.58 | mariux | none in kdegames package? |
| 21:09.00 | MinceR | <megaHAL> CHESS IS A FUN SPORT, WHEN PLAYED WITH SHOT GUNS. |
| 21:09.35 | pinotree | mariux: nope |
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| 21:10.48 | magyar | does anyone know wh ywhen opening a avi file with kaffeine, the player starts copying the file in to a "tpm/kde...." folder? really anoying |
| 21:12.28 | t35t0r | don't use it |
| 21:12.31 | t35t0r | if it |
| 21:13.10 | pinotree | magyar: i suppose the file you're opening is not local, is it? |
| 21:13.12 | oGALAXYo | i use mplayer or kmplayer |
| 21:14.02 | t35t0r | i use vlc, an mplayer for everything else that vlc can't do |
| 21:14.09 | t35t0r | xine just fell behind |
| 21:14.51 | benJIman | t35t0r: err xine performs significantly better than mplayer in many situations |
| 21:14.58 | PhilRod | magyar: change the file association to "kaffeine %U" although I'm kinda surprised that kaffeine doesn't do that already |
| 21:15.08 | t35t0r | benJIman, oh good gawd every time you go to a new menu item in xine it plays the kde sound effect |
| 21:15.09 | benJIman | t35t0r: for example mplayer realy doen't make use of multiple cores, mplayer has hard compile-time dependencies |
| 21:15.33 | benJIman | t35t0r: are you talking about xine-ui? |
| 21:15.38 | t35t0r | benJIman, ya lol |
| 21:15.46 | benJIman | havn't used that in years, but doubt it's normal |
| 21:15.48 | Renze | nobody uses xine-ui any more |
| 21:15.53 | benJIman | THere's kaffeine and codeine etc |
| 21:15.57 | MinceR | though only when vlc crashes |
| 21:16.01 | Renze | there are much better front-ends |
| 21:16.02 | t35t0r | Renze, what should i use ? amarok with xine? |
| 21:16.07 | MinceR | i don't like the others |
| 21:16.16 | Renze | kmplayer with xine-lib |
| 21:16.26 | MinceR | i haven't tried kmplayer with it |
| 21:16.32 | magyar | pinotree: it is in my home directory |
| 21:16.33 | MinceR | only gxine, kaffeine and totem |
| 21:16.47 | pinotree | magyar: hmm, weird |
| 21:16.48 | benJIman | Personally I like codeine for just watching something, kaffeine for queuing entire TV series etc |
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| 21:17.07 | Renze | yeah, codeine is nice, apart from no kioslave support |
| 21:17.19 | benJIman | neither does kaffeine |
| 21:17.24 | benJIman | because xine doesn't |
| 21:17.43 | Renze | I mean like opening from system:/media/blah |
| 21:17.54 | t35t0r | does kmplayer have sins? |
| 21:17.55 | t35t0r | skins? |
| 21:18.00 | Renze | no |
| 21:18.07 | Renze | skins are so 1990s |
| 21:18.12 | benJIman | Quite. |
| 21:18.16 | t35t0r | ? |
| 21:18.25 | t35t0r | i need a slit sized skins |
| 21:18.34 | t35t0r | 10x10 pixels |
| 21:18.48 | t35t0r | well 10 pixels high 50 pixels wide |
| 21:19.32 | hydrogen | kmplayer sins! |
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| 21:20.13 | t35t0r | i want a skin that becomes like the slit in audacious or xmms |
| 21:20.20 | t35t0r | when minimized |
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| 21:20.46 | Renze | wow, you really are retro |
| 21:21.09 | t35t0r | umm ok? |
| 21:21.45 | t35t0r | i don't want anything huge that takes up my entire screen |
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| 21:21.57 | Renze | t35t0r: what... like a video window? |
| 21:21.58 | t35t0r | but i still want to be able to use it |
| 21:22.02 | benJIman | rofl Renze |
| 21:22.08 | t35t0r | i'm talking about when not playing video |
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| 21:22.16 | t35t0r | just radio |
| 21:22.19 | benJIman | t35t0r: That's what the system tray is for |
| 21:22.23 | Renze | amarok hides in my system tray... can't see it at all |
| 21:22.35 | benJIman | and the back/forward/play/pause/volume up/volume down buttons on keyboards are for |
| 21:22.36 | Renze | and I control it with the multimedia keys on my keyboard |
| 21:22.38 | t35t0r | no but i want to be able to see it |
| 21:22.52 | t35t0r | e.g. behind my transparent titlebar |
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| 21:23.04 | t35t0r | i don't have a toolbar ever ..rarely use it |
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| 21:23.24 | t35t0r | win+f brings up the menu or other shortcuts for launching apps |
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| 21:24.27 | KisSme | how can i have a good image on visio ? |
| 21:24.33 | t35t0r | wtf |
| 21:24.40 | KisSme | can u help me please ? |
| 21:24.41 | t35t0r | ms viso? |
| 21:24.48 | KisSme | camera |
| 21:25.00 | KisSme | i have a logitech webcam |
| 21:25.08 | Renze | KisSme: and what does that have to do with KDE? |
| 21:25.09 | KisSme | but i dont have a good image |
| 21:25.35 | KisSme | mmm... i use kopete and kopete is a KDE software :P |
| 21:25.52 | Renze | then why didn't you mention that |
| 21:26.35 | Renze | does it produce a good picture in any other webcam applications? |
| 21:26.45 | KisSme | i dont know |
| 21:26.48 | Renze | find out |
| 21:26.50 | KisSme | i have juste kopete |
| 21:26.58 | t35t0r | there's some wierd bug in the transparency enabler |
| 21:27.06 | Renze | if it is the webcam's fault, kopete can't fix it |
| 21:27.14 | t35t0r | if i don't have transparency enabled when i start kde it doesn't start if i enable it in the current session ..i have to log out |
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| 21:27.22 | KisSme | what sorte of program can i use for my webcam ? |
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| 21:27.55 | t35t0r | camsource |
| 21:27.58 | Renze | mplayer |
| 21:28.05 | lilltiger | amsn |
| 21:28.07 | t35t0r | camorama |
| 21:28.13 | t35t0r | sdlcam |
| 21:28.17 | Renze | xawtv |
| 21:28.21 | t35t0r | gqcam |
| 21:28.28 | t35t0r | camstream |
| 21:28.41 | KisSme | amsn use webcam ? lilltiger ? |
| 21:28.52 | t35t0r | gaimvv? |
| 21:28.54 | lilltiger | spcaview (for spcaxxxx cams) |
| 21:29.07 | KisSme | ok... ty |
| 21:29.24 | lilltiger | KisSme: yes, amsn works great with my cam |
| 21:30.00 | KisSme | ty t35t0r i'l try with amsn |
| 21:30.41 | lilltiger | if your cam drivers connects to v4l you can use any v4l video player to show the output of the cam.. |
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| 21:31.03 | Renze | like my crappy Sony EyeToy ;) |
| 21:31.41 | lilltiger | mine is an Logitech QuickCam, not very good.. but works ok |
| 21:32.09 | KisSme | lilltiger: i'v got this one too |
| 21:32.25 | KisSme | can u change colore ? |
| 21:32.30 | lilltiger | KisSme: no |
| 21:32.38 | KisSme | :( |
| 21:33.15 | KisSme | what is the colore ? |
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| 21:34.04 | KisSme | it doesn't real colore ? |
| 21:34.07 | lilltiger | Camera found: Logitech QuickCam Communicate S |
| 21:34.07 | lilltiger | Bridge found: ZC301-2 |
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| 21:34.16 | lilltiger | and the colors are great |
| 21:34.31 | lilltiger | using the spca5xxx drivers |
| 21:34.43 | KisSme | ty i'l try it :) |
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| 21:45.32 | inimesekene | con somebody help me get flash working with konqueror? |
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| 21:48.23 | inimesekene | or do i really have to get firefox? |
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| 21:48.56 | Renze | inimesekene: settings -> configure konqueror, plugins page, add the path to the plugin to the list, then click "Scan for new plugins" |
| 21:49.29 | inimesekene | yes, it finds netscape-flash, but no flash is displayed on webpages |
| 21:49.34 | Renze | if you're on 64-bit, it's a lot harder |
| 21:49.39 | inimesekene | 32 bit |
| 21:50.33 | Renze | works fine here |
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| 21:57.13 | illogic-al | sup |
| 21:57.24 | illogic-al | homies. |
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| 22:00.01 | bram85 | yo, wassup bro' |
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| 22:00.22 | Lanken | what does it mean if kaffeine shows a blue field instead of the movie? |
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| 22:01.59 | bram85 | Lanken: does xine or mplayer act the same on the same file? |
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| 22:03.28 | Lanken | it's not solid blue any more, it's some other ugly colers, patterns of magenta and green. |
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| 22:03.30 | Lanken | and black. |
| 22:03.54 | Lanken | Mplayer is having the same problem. |
| 22:06.57 | illogic-al | bram85: jus' chilllllllllin :-) |
| 22:07.20 | bram85 | Lanken: looks like a decoder plugin then |
| 22:07.33 | inimesekene | i see lisa and kdenetwork are blocking each other, what happens when i get rid of kdenetwork ? |
| 22:07.35 | illogic-al | Lanken: well if it's just that file what bram85 said. |
| 22:07.36 | Lanken | -_- how could it have stopped working. |
| 22:07.36 | bram85 | *problem |
| 22:07.49 | Lanken | illogic-al: it's .avi and .mpg and .wmv |
| 22:08.55 | illogic-al | if it's all video files then you may have display problems because of commmmmmpositing + accellllllllllllerated graphiics being on |
| 22:09.05 | illogic-al | my ll key sticks btw |
| 22:09.11 | illogic-al | wihch sucks |
| 22:09.47 | Renze | inimesekene: distro package questions belong in the distro channel |
| 22:10.10 | inimesekene | sorry |
| 22:11.21 | illogic-al | Lanken: did you change any x server settings lately |
| 22:11.55 | Lanken | no. I haven't even restarted X since the last time it worked, iirc. |
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| 22:12.52 | illogic-al | have you turned on any composiytinnnnnnnnnnnng programs since then? |
| 22:13.32 | Renze | illogic-al: you need some ants to get the sugar out of your keyboard ;) |
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| 22:15.20 | illogic-al | Renze: indeed :-) |
| 22:15.41 | illogic-al | I tried pouring rubbinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng alcohol int it. |
| 22:15.46 | illogic-al | alllllas,l nothing |
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| 22:17.03 | illogic-al | welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, it one peice time |
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| 22:20.23 | Lanken | Renze: kde has damaged me. I was wondering what k app "keyboard" could be. |
| 22:20.55 | fir3_ | lol |
| 22:20.59 | MinceR | it's the kde version of geyboard. |
| 22:21.03 | MinceR | obviously. |
| 22:21.07 | Renze | gayboard? |
| 22:21.18 | MinceR | that's an alternative spelling |
| 22:22.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know where I can find the source code of qmake? |
| 22:22.28 | Renze | with the qt source |
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| 22:24.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Renze: Whoa - that's one big package! 35 megs! |
| 22:25.07 | Renze | yup |
| 22:25.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | This'll take forever to compile... |
| 22:25.48 | thiago | no |
| 22:26.01 | thiago | qmake finishes compiling by the time configure finishes running |
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| 22:26.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 22:26.51 | sven__ | If I enter an unknknown command at "ALT-F2" konqueror opens and shows my website. Where can I change this behavior? |
| 22:27.09 | thiago | sven__: fix your website |
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| 22:27.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | sven__: keyTouch? |
| 22:27.32 | thiago | sven__: your domain probably has a wildcard match |
| 22:27.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | thiago: Ok, how do I compile qmake? |
| 22:27.51 | sven__ | Yes it has a wildcard match |
| 22:27.56 | thiago | Dark_Apostrophe: type: ./configure |
| 22:28.03 | thiago | sven__: remove it |
| 22:28.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | There is none. |
| 22:28.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's why I asked. |
| 22:28.25 | thiago | Dark_Apostrophe: yes, there is |
| 22:28.45 | sven__ | But this problem appeared with debian etch. Kubuntu kordek fine |
| 22:28.46 | thiago | you didn't download the correct package if there isn't one |
| 22:29.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | qt-x11-opensource-src-4.2.3.tar.gz |
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| 22:29.38 | thiago | Dark_Apostrophe: I'd recommend the 4.3.0 beta, but that should be ok. |
| 22:29.42 | thiago | Dark_Apostrophe: yes, the configure script is there. |
| 22:30.12 | thiago | Dark_Apostrophe: next to LICENSE, projects.pro, INSTALL and the qmake subdirectory |
| 22:30.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | My mistake... was looking in the qmake dir |
| 22:30.42 | sven__ | thiago: where can I change the setting, that every typo opens konqueror? |
| 22:30.55 | Alethes | is there a keyboard shortcut for advance window properties? |
| 22:31.05 | Alethes | errr |
| 22:31.06 | thiago | sven__: by removing the wildcard match or changing your default domain search (/etc/resolv.conf) |
| 22:31.38 | Alethes | special window settings |
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| 22:31.39 | thiago | sven__: as long as <anything>.yourdomain.com resolves, the minicli is working correctly by opening Konqueror. |
| 22:31.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Creating qmake. Please wait... |
| 22:31.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 22:31.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | After running ./configure |
| 22:31.59 | thiago | Dark_Apostrophe: by just running the configure script? |
| 22:32.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
| 22:33.02 | thiago | odd |
| 22:33.08 | thiago | anyways, your distribution probably has it |
| 22:33.12 | thiago | why do you want to build it? |
| 22:33.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | I apt-got the debian packages |
| 22:33.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | I need it to compile Marble |
| 22:34.02 | sven__ | thiago: ok. I didn't know this. My resolv.conf is ok. I think I have a look at /etc/hosts or hostname. Thank you |
| 22:34.07 | thiago | right. So why again do you need to compile it again if you already have it? |
| 22:34.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's the problem - I don't |
| 22:34.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | darkapostrophe@kobra:~/downloads/marble$ cmake . |
| 22:34.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | CMake Error: Qt qmake not found! |
| 22:34.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | -- Configuring done |
| 22:35.26 | thiago | is Qt's qmake found in $PATH? |
| 22:35.29 | thiago | it must be called "qmake" |
| 22:35.36 | thiago | some distributions rename it |
| 22:35.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't knoq |
| 22:35.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | know* |
| 22:35.56 | thiago | find out |
| 22:36.31 | muh2000 | can k3b do lightscribe ? |
| 22:36.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | How? |
| 22:36.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | muh2000: No. |
| 22:36.55 | nixternal | Dark_Apostrophe: which distro are you using? |
| 22:37.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | nixternal: Debian Etch |
| 22:37.12 | thiago | Dark_Apostrophe: type: qmake --version |
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| 22:37.24 | nixternal | hrmm |
| 22:37.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.7) |
| 22:37.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Qmake is free software from Trolltech AS |
| 22:37.45 | muh2000 | :( |
| 22:37.48 | nixternal | Dark_Apostrophe: update-alternatives --display qmake |
| 22:37.48 | thiago | that's Qt 3's |
| 22:37.53 | nixternal | err, see you found out already |
| 22:38.00 | thiago | change it to Qt 4's |
| 22:38.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | muh2000: I think there's a proprietary app that can |
| 22:38.23 | muh2000 | Dark_Apostophe for linux? |
| 22:38.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | qmake - status is auto. |
| 22:38.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | /usr/bin/qmake-qt3 - priority 45 |
| 22:38.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Current `best' version is /usr/bin/qmake-qt3. |
| 22:38.30 | muh2000 | and for free ? |
| 22:38.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | muh2000: Yes |
| 22:38.33 | thiago | if your distribution doesn't have an explicit method to do that, create a new dir with a symlink called "qmake" to the Qt 4's qmake and put that dir first in $PATH |
| 22:38.44 | nixternal | Dark_Apostrophe: that means you don't have Qt4 installed |
| 22:38.47 | nixternal | just Qt3 |
| 22:39.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | muh2000: http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10803 |
| 22:39.05 | muh2000 | i dont want to buy the roman dictator :) |
| 22:39.15 | thiago | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe you didn't install the development packages |
| 22:39.20 | muh2000 | or rome dictator? hmmm |
| 22:39.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | There are none... |
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| 22:39.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does Marble need qt4? |
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| 22:40.23 | pinotree | yes |
| 22:40.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok.. |
| 22:41.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Then I guess I'll have to compile it anyway... |
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| 23:10.51 | GoetzC | hi, it would like to know if the new oxygen icons can be used in kde 3.5? |
| 23:11.42 | Renze | grepper: $KDEDIR/share/config/kdm/Xsetup perhaps? |
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| 23:12.14 | oliver | brazil |
| 23:12.35 | oliver | hablas spanhol |
| 23:12.47 | Renze | inglés |
| 23:12.59 | Renze | for spanish, go to #kde-es |
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| 23:13.29 | pinotree | GoetzC: no, the icon names are different |
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| 23:14.12 | GoetzC | hi, whats the name? can i download them? |
| 23:14.31 | GoetzC | or are they exclusive for kde4? |
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| 23:14.40 | Renze | GoetzC: not the name of the package, the actual icon names are incompatible with kde3 |
| 23:14.53 | Renze | they use the Tango naming scheme now |
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| 23:15.15 | kkempter | is there an irc channel specific to kde-pim? |
| 23:15.21 | Renze | #kontact |
| 23:15.33 | kkempter | Thx |
| 23:15.36 | Renze | np |
| 23:16.21 | GoetzC | ah, i have heard somethink about tango... |
| 23:16.34 | grepper | Renze: good idea, I'm going to try it - thanks |
| 23:16.47 | Renze | grepper: no problem |
| 23:16.54 | grepper | also gotta see if my kernel fb rotation works :) |
| 23:17.01 | GoetzC | hmmm, is there not some way to use those icons in kde3.5 ? |
| 23:17.12 | Renze | GoetzC: you could manually rename every icon |
| 23:17.26 | Renze | GoetzC: it would probably take several days |
| 23:18.19 | GoetzC | jeje, ok, i'll wait to kde4 |
| 23:18.22 | GoetzC | :) |
| 23:18.37 | Desintegr | there is a script |
| 23:18.53 | pinotree | Renze: it's not the "tango naming scheme", but the "icon theme specification" |
| 23:18.58 | pinotree | Desintegr: ahahahahahahaha |
| 23:19.06 | Renze | pinotree: which used to be the Tango naming scheme ;) |
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| 23:19.30 | pinotree | Desintegr: i personally renamed all the mimetype icons to the new names, and i can assure you it's not "a script" |
| 23:19.42 | Renze | and more people have heard of Tango than the icon theme specification |
| 23:20.00 | pinotree | better use the correct name, then ;) |
| 23:20.45 | GoetzC | i'm searching for nice icons, |
| 23:21.01 | GoetzC | i think gnome has better icons than kde |
| 23:21.12 | Renze | you can get Tango for kde3 |
| 23:21.23 | Renze | which looks very dull and gnomish |
| 23:21.48 | GoetzC | no, but i dont like so much tango, they are ok |
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| 23:21.59 | Desintegr | this http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/utils/generate_oxy_theme.sh?revision=626698&content-type=text%2Fplain ? |
| 23:22.11 | GoetzC | but when i used gnome, i had better icons |
| 23:22.28 | Renze | GoetzC: "better" is subjective |
| 23:22.34 | GoetzC | but now in kde there are not so good icons, |
| 23:22.37 | oliver | OK |
| 23:22.51 | GoetzC | of course, but they are better jeje |
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| 23:23.03 | Renze | GoetzC: subjective... I happen to disagree |
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| 23:24.18 | ek_ | resolution=1280x1024 |
| 23:25.28 | ek_ | fbresolution=1280x1024 |
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| 23:26.59 | GoetzC | Desintegr, what does this script do? |
| 23:27.39 | Desintegr | convert KDE4 Oxygen theme to KDE3.5 compatible one |
| 23:27.42 | pinotree | Desintegr: the script basically is no more useful now, as they are already generated at all the sizes, in KDE's subversion |
| 23:27.44 | Desintegr | it used to work |
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| 23:27.51 | PF-Away | tango looks like placeholder icons |
| 23:27.57 | pinotree | Desintegr: and it won't make a compatible theme |
| 23:28.10 | pinotree | as i already said, the icon names are different |
| 23:28.20 | PF-Away | oxygen is art |
| 23:30.08 | GoetzC | is there a way to change the icons one by one in kde? |
| 23:30.49 | Renze | for apps, in kmenuedit... for mimetypes/devices, in kcontrol -> kde components -> file associations |
| 23:31.16 | GoetzC | thank you! |
| 23:32.01 | GoetzC | where can i download the oxygen icons? to change some icons manualy |
| 23:32.09 | Renze | from kde svn |
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| 23:33.39 | GoetzC | ok, http://websvn.kde.org/ ? |
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| 23:36.30 | Jmd | hey guys I have a quick question about KDE; What's KDE's default laptop battery monitor program called? |
| 23:36.48 | PF-Away | i try to run kwrite from kde 4 from here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development |
| 23:36.58 | PF-Away | but it seems like it's just my "normal" kwrite |
| 23:37.15 | PF-Away | when i look at the "about kde" dialog, it's says 3.5.6 |
| 23:39.53 | Renze | PF-Away: maybe it hasn't been ported yet? |
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| 23:40.21 | PF-Away | i tried kate too |
| 23:40.33 | PF-Away | it was same kde version and kate version number |
| 23:40.57 | PF-Away | i'm on kubuntu, should i set some paths or something? |
| 23:41.04 | Renze | you do realise that kwrite and kate use the same editor component, right? |
| 23:41.37 | Renze | PF-Away: make sure the path to the KDE4 binaries is first in PATH |
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| 23:42.01 | PF-Away | Renze: i just wanted to test with two programs i knew was there |
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| 23:42.41 | PF-Away | huh, they're not there... |
| 23:42.43 | PF-Away | :P |
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