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| 00:00.58 | eegore | get this, DHT is disabled in SuSE |
| 00:02.43 | RushPL | okay, a very simple problem. I remember having a "show desktop" icon, how can I add it once again ? :) |
| 00:04.32 | zamadara | so I figured out this fucking thing... |
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| 00:05.04 | zamadara | kde print manager doesn't let you add a device using the file:///dev/usblp1 URI, so I just added it the way it wanted, then went into printers.conf and changed it... |
| 00:05.05 | milliams | RushPL: Right-click on kicker, Add applet.., Show Desktop |
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| 00:06.54 | RushPL | milliams: oh, so it's an applet :) thx a bunch |
| 00:07.03 | milliams | RushPL: no worries |
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| 00:14.01 | RushPL | hmm, anybody using Domino here ? I have set up this new fancy Kore theme but the Rounded buttons soon after being set become gray again .. |
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| 00:46.58 | Lars_G | can the default file manager be changed to dolphin on 3.5.6? |
| 00:48.51 | Jucato | KControl -> KDE Components -> File Associations -> inode/directory |
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| 00:54.50 | Lars_G | Jucato: thanks |
| 00:55.03 | Jucato | :) |
| 00:55.53 | Lars_G | Hmm I'll open kcontrol, can't find the components section int he newer system settings app |
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| 00:57.22 | Jucato | ah Kubuntu |
| 00:57.36 | Jucato | then go to Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations |
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| 00:58.44 | Lars_G | No it's ok, I can run kcontrol |
| 00:59.09 | Lars_G | I am just sad, since I tend to like system settings a little (having a lot of macs, whom they copied the layout from) |
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| 01:07.55 | Slyfoot | Heya folks... got an accessibility question... I have been trying to find out how to make the mouse pinter larger, but the problem is that it doesn't seem to be listed anywhere in the Peripherals/Mouse Control dialog... is there a file where I can edit the size of the pointer? |
| 01:08.50 | Jucato | maybe a bigger cursor theme? |
| 01:09.03 | Slyfoot | possibly |
| 01:09.22 | Slyfoot | I was hoping I could just edit the size somewhere |
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| 01:10.06 | Slyfoot | I'm not having much look on kde-look.org |
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| 01:18.41 | Slyfoot | Ah, well, never mind, bye. |
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| 01:55.40 | phlux | anyone use k9copy? |
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| 02:30.09 | lostson | i swear java and konqueror hate me |
| 02:30.54 | trpr | desktop theming supports a different wallpaper on each virtual desktop? |
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| 02:31.21 | Jucato | trpr: yes |
| 02:31.42 | trpr | Jucato: do you know what release that was added in? |
| 02:31.54 | Jucato | not really sure... |
| 02:32.37 | trpr | if my memory was better i would know. :\ i can clearly remember it being missing |
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| 02:33.26 | Jucato | well for sure it's in 3.5.x |
| 02:33.47 | Jucato | can't remember if it was already in 3.4.x |
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| 02:35.52 | Basic_py | debian sid, kde-3.5.6, I'm in the Service Manager, how do I get into Administrator mode? |
| 02:36.10 | Basic_py | I vaguely remember a button that said Administrator mode |
| 02:36.18 | Basic_py | but don't see that anymore |
| 02:37.02 | Jucato | there isn't any |
| 02:37.35 | Basic_py | I see that button in "System Administration", isn't any? How do I start additional KDE services? |
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| 02:58.17 | ata2 | hellp |
| 02:58.23 | ata2 | is there any kile user here? |
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| 02:59.14 | ata2 | something really fast.... when you activate smart word wrap, at the end of the screen line, the text is sent to the next line. However, i don't like those xxxx that indicate dynamic word wrap |
| 02:59.34 | ata2 | is there any way of removing them in the options? i coudn't find it |
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| 03:21.18 | Madd_Matt | Will KDE be angry with me if I have no ~/Desktop folder? I don't really want one, and I'm a touch of a neat freak when it comes to my home directory. |
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| 03:21.34 | Madd_Matt | Ie, will it go and recreate it all the time? |
| 03:21.34 | Simkin | i think you do need a ~/Desktop folder |
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| 03:21.51 | Simkin | i think it will |
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| 03:22.24 | mathieu | you change it for .desktop |
| 03:22.42 | mathieu | its somewhere in the control panel |
| 03:23.26 | Jucato | KControl -> System Administration -> Paths |
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| 03:41.38 | marckie | hello? |
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| 03:54.52 | mfonda | where to find syntax highlighting xml for kate? |
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| 03:55.50 | TheBlunderbuss | Settings -> Configure Kate -> Highlighting |
| 03:56.01 | mfonda | no, i mean the actual xml files |
| 03:56.14 | TheBlunderbuss | ahh |
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| 03:56.59 | mfonda | doxygen highlighting in comments (in php specifically) is annoying as hell, i need to comment out the doxygen include :) |
| 03:57.16 | TheBlunderbuss | mfonda: /usr/share/apps/katepart/syntax/ |
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| 03:57.55 | mfonda | thanks |
| 03:58.21 | TheBlunderbuss | No problem. I took a chance and locate -i verilog , verilog being one of the syntax highlights :) |
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| 04:16.35 | phlux | having k9copy issues..anyone? |
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| 04:34.14 | impiety | what directory are the icons for kmenu ? |
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| 04:34.50 | impiety | nevermind |
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| 04:40.49 | johnny69 | I feel all Null & Void. |
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| 04:49.16 | Jucato | lol :) |
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| 04:52.37 | wolsni | shouldn't that be |
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| 04:53.06 | wolsni | johnny69= (void*) NULL; |
| 04:53.07 | wolsni | ? |
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| 04:54.10 | johnny69 | Well I was talking in the literal sense, but that might work as well. |
| 04:54.16 | Jucato | humor is best not explained, rationalized, or syntactically correct :) |
| 04:54.23 | wolsni | aww |
| 04:54.35 | wolsni | wait, what is the literal sense? |
| 04:54.56 | wolsni | do you feel invalidated by your creator? |
| 04:56.06 | johnny69 | Of no consequence, effect, or value; insignificant. |
| 04:56.06 | johnny69 | Amounting to nothing; absent or nonexistent: a null result. |
| 04:56.11 | johnny69 | :) |
| 04:56.21 | wolsni | peppy |
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| 04:57.42 | johnny69 | wolsni: But since you mention it. Isn't type casting "NULL" like you did, redundant? Doesn't the Ansi C/C++ dictate that it will resolve to void and Null and back again? |
| 04:57.52 | johnny69 | Or am I very wrong here? |
| 04:57.58 | wolsni | ... |
| 04:58.09 | wolsni | I didn't bring it up |
| 04:59.10 | johnny69 | I understand, I just saw the (void*) and thought I would ask. I couldn't write much more than a "hello world" program even if it came up and bit me on the !@#$ |
| 05:00.01 | wolsni | and I'm not an expert on ANSI C, but I think you are right about the cast being redundant |
| 05:00.27 | wolsni | not sure what you mean by "it will resolve to void and Null and back again" though |
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| 05:04.49 | johnny69 | Wondering, does the kde dev' have anything approaching a full blown debugger such as what came with the older C/C++ compilers from Borland? Stepping through each line, watch windows on variables, breakpoints, etc? |
| 05:05.25 | Jucato | kdevelop + gdb I think |
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| 05:06.22 | wolsni | no experience with the borland tools, but i do know kdevelop can do that |
| 05:06.49 | wolsni | kdbg can too, but no syntax highlighting |
| 05:06.51 | johnny69 | I thought my very limited experience with straight C and Dos from the 5.0 days would give me a decent grasp of writing for Linux. I saw some examples and tutorial thingies targeted at Kde and thought I was going to die. :) |
| 05:07.43 | johnny69 | Correction, not a decent grasp. I shoudl have written, "A toe hold, MAYBE". |
| 05:07.45 | wolsni | your straight C experience won't really apply too much |
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| 05:08.04 | johnny69 | wolsni: Yep...noticed that immediately :) |
| 05:08.05 | wolsni | KDE uses a modified C++ :) |
| 05:08.32 | Jucato | KDE -> Qt -> C++ |
| 05:09.15 | Jucato | (whether Qt is actually C++ seems to be another semi-religious topic) |
| 05:09.22 | johnny69 | May I ask, modified how? |
| 05:09.55 | Jucato | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(toolkit) |
| 05:10.02 | wolsni | it has a preprocessor that converts it to regular C++ |
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| 05:10.18 | wolsni | yeah, look at the wiki page |
| 05:11.59 | Jucato | Qt is so... green... :D |
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| 05:12.50 | wolsni | hmm |
| 05:13.08 | wolsni | the wiki page says Opera uses Qt |
| 05:13.34 | Jucato | it either no longer does, or is close to not using it anymore |
| 05:13.52 | wolsni | i thought so |
| 05:13.52 | Jucato | as of Opera 9, I think it still uses Qt |
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| 05:14.00 | wolsni | anyway |
| 05:14.00 | johnny69 | I believe the Opera page itself still mentions QT as well. |
| 05:14.31 | Jucato | according to Sho_ (where's that thread?) Opera is switching to their own proprietary toolkit soon |
| 05:14.44 | Jucato | well, I mean according to the thread given by Sho_ |
| 05:15.13 | johnny69 | As of Opera 9.2 it says in the, "Help/about".. |
| 05:15.14 | johnny69 | Qt library |
| 05:15.14 | johnny69 | 3.3.8 |
| 05:15.22 | johnny69 | For whatever that's worth. |
| 05:16.07 | johnny69 | I wonder how many bugs that will introduce when they switch them out wholesale like that. |
| 05:16.35 | johnny69 | I have been using Opera faithfully since version 6.x I really hope it doesn't get too screwed up. |
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| 05:16.49 | wolsni | well, I get the impression that the Opera guys know what they're doing |
| 05:17.03 | Jucato | they probably will minimize screw ups... they're a commercial company. they can't afford that :D |
| 05:17.10 | benJIman | Opera only uses Qt for dialogues and menus etc. |
| 05:17.17 | woial | is this a kde program to capture and store webcam image? |
| 05:17.39 | woial | sorry, "is there" |
| 05:18.56 | woial | like camorama in gnome? |
| 05:19.24 | wolsni | you could check kde-apps.org |
| 05:21.11 | Jucato | a.k.a. "we don't actually know, but you might have better luck searching this site" |
| 05:21.12 | wolsni | #kde != google |
| 05:21.12 | wolsni | but we'll send you to it :) |
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| 05:21.12 | Jucato | but if we know, #kde == kde-answers :D |
| 05:22.39 | woial | GFY, :D |
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| 05:36.59 | geo-rge | I guess I still have arts sound stuff, and there's now a new sound system called (forgot,) photon? and where is some info on what each does? arts.org maybe? |
| 05:37.40 | geo-rge | even as the new sound server is taking over, I would still like to understand the latest and immediately previous |
| 05:37.43 | wolsni | it's phonon |
| 05:37.54 | geo-rge | ok, thanks for that |
| 05:38.03 | wolsni | http://phonon.kde.org/ |
| 05:38.24 | wolsni | it's a bit light, but better than nothing |
| 05:38.38 | geo-rge | ok, very good... and similar site for arts? |
| 05:38.45 | geo-rge | arts.kde.org? |
| 05:39.35 | wolsni | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARts, i suppose |
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| 05:39.50 | wolsni | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=wiki |
| 05:39.54 | wolsni | neat |
| 05:40.11 | zorb | ummm how do i set my mouse speed?? |
| 05:40.14 | geo-rge | ohh, it's a synth |
| 05:40.50 | geo-rge | ok, that's nice, I'll look at it later... but that's not what I was looking for... |
| 05:41.18 | wolsni | zorb: in kcontrol under peripherals |
| 05:41.32 | zorb | I only see accel. I need to slow her waaay down |
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| 05:42.02 | wolsni | um, so set the acceleration to a smaller value |
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| 05:42.19 | zorb | its at 1.0 :( wont go lower |
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| 05:43.17 | wolsni | hmm, didn't realize it had a minimum |
| 05:43.49 | wolsni | beyond that I'm not sure |
| 05:44.10 | zorb | hmm i guess theres an xset command line thing ,but it probably wont last between sessions |
| 05:44.51 | wolsni | you can ask in #xorg I suppose |
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| 06:25.05 | fynmndiag | hello... I just used bchunk as root, and turned a .cue & .bin file into "empty documents"--I'm really updet at myself, I think it is because I was (mistakenly) in root when I ran the command... |
| 06:25.35 | fynmndiag | I ran bchunk IMAGE.bin IMAGE.cue <filename> |
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| 06:26.47 | fynmndiag | and bchunk outputed 0/0 0% and then when I went into the directory with knoqueror the bin and cue file were 0 B |
| 06:27.07 | fynmndiag | If anyone could suggest a way to recover these files I would be so, soooo appreciative... |
| 06:27.10 | WasserStoff | mm |
| 06:27.17 | WasserStoff | what does that have to do with kde? |
| 06:27.25 | fynmndiag | I use kde =] |
| 06:27.29 | WasserStoff | right |
| 06:27.33 | fynmndiag | I don't know where else to go.. and I'm desperate |
| 06:27.34 | WasserStoff | you also use a linux kernel |
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| 06:27.36 | WasserStoff | right? |
| 06:27.43 | fynmndiag | yes |
| 06:27.45 | WasserStoff | so maybe you should ask in a linux kernel channel |
| 06:27.50 | WasserStoff | or you use pc hardware |
| 06:27.56 | WasserStoff | so maybe you should ask in a hardware channel |
| 06:28.07 | WasserStoff | or you use electrictity.. so maybe thats where to ask!@ |
| 06:28.12 | fynmndiag | okay... thanks.... |
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| 06:30.37 | xushi_ | lo all |
| 06:30.42 | xushi_ | is there any kde based mail client that supports exchange ? |
| 06:30.44 | xushi_ | i'd hate to install evolution and a ton of deps for it |
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| 06:36.12 | DaSkreech | How big is Opensource in Russia? |
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| 06:38.11 | benJIman | |<------------>| this big |
| 06:39.30 | kecd | anybody from indonesia |
| 06:39.36 | t35t0r | How big is piracy in Russia? |
| 06:40.05 | xushi_ | hehe |
| 06:40.32 | Jucato | probably not bigger than piracy in the Philippines :D |
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| 06:41.10 | xushi_ | I think more.. Russia has more water surrounding it :) |
| 06:41.24 | Jucato | O.o |
| 06:41.34 | xushi_ | hence more space for the ships to dock... |
| 06:41.40 | Jucato | not that kind of piracy (and we have more water around us) |
| 06:41.59 | xushi_ | (piracy => ships, old days... pirates... lame joke) |
| 06:42.10 | Jucato | I know :P |
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| 06:42.19 | xushi_ | hehe, anyway, back to reality |
| 06:42.31 | Jucato | what is reality? |
| 06:42.42 | Jucato | kecd: not from indonesia.. but quite close... |
| 06:43.22 | xushi_ | Zend + NVU in 1 screen, Email + support in another, FF + php result in the third, the fourth still empty |
| 06:43.49 | DaSkreech | Jucato: Simple |
| 06:43.56 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.16 | xushi_ | nah man.. reality is 0b1010011010 |
| 06:44.22 | Jucato | OxFF |
| 06:44.28 | DaSkreech | 101001010101101001110101----2 |
| 06:44.31 | Jucato | reality is actually EOL |
| 06:44.37 | Jucato | er EOF |
| 06:44.38 | xushi_ | DaSkreech: lol, bender :) |
| 06:44.43 | DaSkreech | End Of Life? |
| 06:44.47 | DaSkreech | xushi_: :) |
| 06:45.14 | xushi_ | quick question.. where in kde can i tell it not to display certain system icons in the desktop ? |
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| 06:45.34 | xushi_ | and where in kde can i set up mounting of USB devices ? It's a new install and it wont do it for me =/ |
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| 06:45.45 | xushi_ | i end up mounting as root, and not accessing the device unless in root |
| 06:46.38 | DaSkreech | Well mount as root with a 0002 umask |
| 06:46.55 | Jucato | KControl -> Peripherals -> Storage Media? |
| 06:46.58 | DaSkreech | .o0(30 Minutes till KDE4) |
| 06:47.02 | kendrick | anyone here good with Kdevelop? |
| 06:47.02 | Jucato | (weird place to put it) |
| 06:47.12 | Jucato | DaSkreech: whose timezone? |
| 06:47.19 | Jucato | and don't you mean KDE 4 *alpha* |
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| 06:47.22 | kendrick | i'm thinking it might be nice to switch to it (rather than vi/emacs :) ) as my IDE for developing tu xpaint |
| 06:47.29 | DaSkreech | swatch's inernet time zone |
| 06:47.30 | kendrick | *tux paint |
| 06:47.31 | xushi_ | strange, the storage media is enabled.. but wont wor |
| 06:47.31 | xushi_ | work |
| 06:47.59 | Jucato | ooh vi(m).... |
| 06:48.06 | DaSkreech | Piracy outside of America and some European countries is evry high |
| 06:48.11 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.25 | Jucato | you're the one who was asking about it :D |
| 06:48.40 | xushi_ | piracy in america and the other european countries is even as high.. get over it :) |
| 06:49.25 | kendrick | heh |
| 06:50.02 | Jucato | :) |
| 06:50.38 | DaSkreech | Jucato: When did I ask about it? |
| 06:50.58 | Jucato | ah sorry, wrong person :) |
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| 06:51.29 | geo-rge | did someone say russian space ships?! |
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| 06:52.01 | geo-rge | why would you spank an audio cd? |
| 06:52.03 | DaSkreech | In Russia the space ships you! |
| 06:53.48 | GNU\colossus | In soviet russia, government controls commerce. |
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| 06:59.19 | geo-rge | GNU\colossus: we knew that part :) |
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| 07:01.01 | DaSkreech | Hmm KDE-look.org has put back up the nude wallpapers |
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| 07:20.03 | DaSkreech | Is there a KDE SOC Blob? |
| 07:20.06 | DaSkreech | Blog? |
| 07:20.46 | Jucato | I think the KDE SoC students are encouraged to make blogs and then they will probably be added to the Planet |
| 07:21.17 | DaSkreech | Ah ok |
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| 07:35.09 | degreseven | i'm trying to get usb devices working well, when i plug in a usb drive, konqueror pops up in /media/sdg1, but it is blank & I get an error "Could not enter folder /media/disk". My user is in the plugdev group, can anyone give me hints? |
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| 08:53.15 | johnny69 | I give "Kwebdesktop" a Url...a direct link to a radar weather image. It tiles and covers the entire screen. Does anyone know how to get it to display just the one image and center it? (Kde 3.5.x/Suse 10.1) Thank you. |
| 08:54.20 | benJIman | You could create an html page with that image centred in it., not sure if there's a way with kwebdesktop directly offhand. |
| 08:54.46 | johnny69 | benJIman: So it's default behavior is to tile and cover the entire desktop I assume? |
| 08:55.03 | benJIman | Probably. |
| 08:55.11 | johnny69 | There's no man page for it either it seems. :( |
| 08:56.15 | johnny69 | Well there is width and height arguments than be passed. Maybe if I give it just the exact size of the image it won't tile it. |
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| 08:59.50 | johnny69 | shit, that didn't work either :( |
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| 09:01.07 | ma_b | Hello. What is the command to print from gimp to a kde printer? Generally I print to postscript file first and use KGhostView then. |
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| 09:16.38 | stanv | hello, howto start new KDE session without end current session, and without kicker? (I want to start new session under another WM) |
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| 09:24.32 | Tm_T | stanv: err, you like to have KDE session without kicker (and with other wm) ? |
| 09:26.55 | stanv | Tm_T: KDE has: KDE panel->Switch User->Start new session. I want do same but under another WM (blackbox). KDM is started. how to start new session without kicker ? |
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| 09:27.29 | Tm_T | well, start new session IIRC bring you to kdm |
| 09:27.34 | Tm_T | so, choose from there |
| 09:27.53 | Tm_T | ah, now I got it |
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| 09:30.35 | stanv | Tm_T: :( IIRC or IRC ? |
| 09:32.02 | Tm_T | IIRC |
| 09:32.31 | Tm_T | anyway, I haven't seen similar function outside of KDE & Gnome |
| 09:33.13 | stanv | :( |
| 09:33.39 | Tm_T | that doesn't mean it doesn't exist |
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| 09:36.39 | stanv | :) |
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| 09:46.45 | AmyRose | KDM > GDM :P |
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| 09:51.36 | Raging_Hog | Hi, I'm a long time user, first time asker. I'm now using a more custom environment but might occasionally need to launch kde apps. I understood that upon startup they load kde shared libs etc. Can I somehow shut those kde libs down after I've used the app? |
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| 10:13.28 | AmyRose | Raging_Hog: Have you done a ps ax or ps -ef to look for KDE-related daemons? |
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| 10:16.02 | Raging_Hog | AmyRose, yes I think I've seen some of them. But I'm not always aware of what daemons there are running as I try new software too and would rather not just shut down all daemons starting with k(it sometimes means kernel too..) |
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| 10:18.23 | AmyRose | well, the biggies I see are kded and kbuildsycoca |
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| 10:21.15 | AmyRose | Sysinfo for 'pentiumtwo': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Pentium II (Klamath) at 332 MHz (665 bogomips), HD: 0/0GB, RAM: 152/154MB, 120 proc's, 1.4d up |
| 10:21.26 | AmyRose | ^ proof that KDE is great, even on older computers |
| 10:21.35 | AmyRose | except that it says I got no hard drive |
| 10:24.11 | Jucato | wow |
| 10:24.28 | Jucato | and that's Kubuntu?!?! O.o |
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| 10:25.27 | Atoms | ~az |
| 10:25.30 | apt | az is probably Azerbaijan |
| 10:25.30 | Atoms | ups |
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| 10:31.52 | Raging_Hog | AmyRose, have you lightened up your kde a lot? I have some slugginess at home even with 256mb ram |
| 10:32.01 | AmyRose | No |
| 10:32.08 | AmyRose | Jucato: Yes, Kubuntu Feisty |
| 10:32.20 | Tm_T | Raging_Hog: I used KDE with 64 MB ram =) |
| 10:32.24 | AmyRose | I don't lighten it at all |
| 10:32.31 | Jucato | Tm_T: Kubuntu too? |
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| 10:32.37 | Jucato | (that didn't sound good) |
| 10:32.39 | Tm_T | Jucato: not back then |
| 10:32.40 | AmyRose | I just don't mind waiting a little longer for stuff to load |
| 10:32.45 | Jucato | AmyRose: wow |
| 10:32.48 | Tm_T | Jucato: but now I would |
| 10:32.51 | Jucato | hm... how long is "a little longer" |
| 10:33.08 | Tm_T | Jucato: it's not |
| 10:33.08 | AmyRose | Jucato: Not very long. About a few seconds longer than XFCE |
| 10:33.24 | AmyRose | Jucato: I heard KDE is better than GNOME on older hardware |
| 10:33.26 | Tm_T | Jucato: try Fedora, atleast to me it was way more heavy |
| 10:33.34 | Jucato | 1.5Ghz + 256MB RAM, it was a bit... not fast... |
| 10:33.48 | Jucato | but Kubuntu, imho is lighter than.. say... opensuse... |
| 10:33.51 | Tm_T | Jucato: 200 MHz + 64 MB ram <3 |
| 10:34.02 | Jucato | heh ok you've convinced me :) |
| 10:34.18 | AmyRose | Jucato: How did you partition your disk? I think my performance is OK because my swap partition is before my other partitions (besides /boot--/boot has to be first because the hard drive is set to lie about its size so the BIOS doesn't choke) |
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| 10:34.43 | Jucato | AmyRose: I can't actually remember, but I'm sure I only had 2 partitions then, / then swap |
| 10:34.47 | AmyRose | My hard drive is 40 GB |
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| 10:35.08 | AmyRose | Jucato: It can make a difference if your swap partition is before / |
| 10:35.28 | Jucato | hm... sometimes I wish I have some older hardware to test KDE's floor limits... |
| 10:35.58 | AmyRose | But like I said, /boot has to be first because my hard drive lies about its size (it tells the BIOS it's 2 GB) because the BIOS will choke with anything above 8 GB or so |
| 10:35.59 | Jejem | lol |
| 10:36.17 | Jucato | heh |
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| 10:36.34 | AmyRose | And no I do NOT need to buy an ATA card because Linux can see the full size as long as /boot is first on the disk |
| 10:36.50 | Jucato | you lie to BIOS? baaad :P |
| 10:37.08 | AmyRose | Jucato: It doesn't matter since Linux can see all 40 GB once it's loaded |
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| 10:37.55 | AmyRose | For Windows to work with this situation, you need EZ-BIOS or something. |
| 10:38.06 | AmyRose | Linux handles it by itself :D |
| 10:38.22 | AmyRose | provided I partition it properly |
| 10:38.29 | Jucato | :) |
| 10:38.53 | Jucato | of course, then you'd have to wonder which version of Windows you'll be runnning :) |
| 10:39.00 | Jucato | on that machine I mean :) |
| 10:39.09 | AmyRose | Jucato: And guess what? It doesn't work at all with 200 or XP |
| 10:39.14 | AmyRose | 2000* |
| 10:39.19 | Jucato | haha figures :) |
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| 10:39.26 | Jucato | I imagine 95 or 98 or NT |
| 10:39.30 | AmyRose | Which is why I'm glad I'm using Linux |
| 10:39.52 | Jucato | and KDE..... don't forget KDE :D |
| 10:39.57 | AmyRose | Yup, Jucato |
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| 10:40.25 | AmyRose | You can also use a large hard disk on a 486 by turning LBA off and making /boot your first partition |
| 10:41.12 | AmyRose | I did once try KDE on my old 486 just for fun, and it took 3 hours to load, but it worked! |
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| 10:41.41 | Jucato | lol |
| 10:41.53 | Jucato | and by "it worked", you mean? |
| 10:41.54 | AmyRose | yeah, 3 hours |
| 10:42.04 | Jucato | it was usable? |
| 10:42.07 | AmyRose | Well, the colon on the clock would blink at the correct speed :P |
| 10:42.17 | AmyRose | Jucato: Yeah, if you wanted to wait 10 minutes for your apps to load |
| 10:42.25 | Jucato | roflmao |
| 10:42.34 | AmyRose | :D |
| 10:42.48 | AmyRose | FluxBox is definitely a much better choice for a 486 |
| 10:43.04 | AmyRose | That loaded in a couple of minutes, and was totally usable |
| 10:43.10 | AmyRose | Abiword only took a minute to load |
| 10:44.32 | Jucato | only a minute eh? :D |
| 10:44.35 | AmyRose | Well, I only tested the GTK-only version of AbiWord, not the GNOME version |
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| 10:45.16 | AmyRose | Windows 3.1 is blazingly fast on any Pentium or faster |
| 10:45.39 | Tm_T | hmm, but it's reasonable in 486 too |
| 10:45.45 | AmyRose | Yeah, true |
| 10:46.24 | AmyRose | But I don't like Microsoft so I don't use Windows anymore (haven't used Windows on my own hardware since March 28, 2004) |
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| 10:46.31 | Jucato | I think our first computer at home was 386... or was it 486 DX something... |
| 10:46.48 | AmyRose | My 486 was my only dual-booting machine since I ditched Windows |
| 10:47.00 | AmyRose | I dualbooted Linux and FreeDOS on it. |
| 10:47.55 | AmyRose | I don't have my 486 anymore because my mom's stupid boyfriend threw it out when I went on a trip :( |
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| 10:49.15 | Jucato | O.o |
| 10:49.52 | Jucato | how can he throw a computer? a sacred thing as a computer... |
| 10:50.02 | Jucato | yes you are.baaad. very baaad :) |
| 10:50.02 | AmyRose | he's a dummy |
| 10:50.09 | AmyRose | lol |
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| 10:50.17 | AmyRose | I do not like Amarok |
| 10:50.33 | AmyRose | If it could play MIDI files, I might use it, because most of the music I listen to is in MIDI format |
| 10:50.47 | AmyRose | And Audacious has two plug-ins for MIDI files |
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| 10:51.40 | AmyRose | And I really don't want to use KMid... I don't like the pain of setting up Timidity as a softsynth... |
| 10:51.44 | Simeon_H | you must like Amarok! |
| 10:51.53 | Simeon_H | there is nothing to not like about it D: |
| 10:52.02 | Jump86 | does konquerer have a way to use the del.icio.us plugin for firefox? |
| 10:52.03 | AmyRose | Simeon_H: It doesn't play MIDI files! |
| 10:52.21 | Simeon_H | hehehe |
| 10:52.33 | AmyRose | Audacious can use either Timidity or FluidSynth! |
| 10:52.37 | Simeon_H | MIDI is awesome to output to a sythesiser/keyboard |
| 10:52.39 | Jump86 | AmyRose, that is unacceptable, i have over 300gigs of MIDI files |
| 10:52.51 | Jucato | I believe amarok can only play what its backend can |
| 10:53.01 | AmyRose | well Audacious can also use a hardware synth if you have one :) |
| 10:53.07 | Jucato | not really sure about MIDI... |
| 10:53.41 | AmyRose | Jucato: There was talk about adding libtimidity support to Xine, so that it could play MIDIs just as well as Audacious can, but they seem to have abandoned it |
| 10:54.17 | AmyRose | I just LOVE how Audacious can play MIDI files with its timidity plug-in without skipping on this computer |
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| 10:56.08 | AmyRose | Well, it's based on the old C version of Timidity, but it still sound nice |
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| 11:02.44 | Sho_ | Jucato: Not "soon", they largely have already |
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| 11:03.26 | Genscher | i have a little question concerning konqueror view |
| 11:04.14 | Genscher | i can't get the filename listed in a list. is there a plugin or something for it? |
| 11:04.23 | AmyRose | What filename? |
| 11:04.52 | Genscher | filthe filenames in the current folder |
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| 11:05.16 | Genscher | maybe i find a screenshot in the net to show you what i mean :) |
| 11:05.30 | Genscher | it's really hard when having all this icons |
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| 11:07.20 | Genscher | AmyRose, like this on the right side (only filenames, multicolumn): http://www.windows-nation.de/explore98.jpg |
| 11:08.17 | AmyRose | You want to see that view? |
| 11:08.55 | Genscher | only the right side, you see: plain filenames (i don't care about the icons) and multicolum |
| 11:09.08 | AmyRose | If so, go to View --> View Mode --> Multicolumn view |
| 11:09.14 | AmyRose | That's how to get that view |
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| 11:10.08 | AmyRose | Genscher: Is that what you wanted? |
| 11:10.17 | Genscher | AmyRose, ok, that's multicolumn, but then i cat this fat icons ;) |
| 11:10.28 | Genscher | cat*get |
| 11:10.39 | AmyRose | Genscher: Well, then try going to View --> Icon size and set the size you want |
| 11:10.46 | Genscher | AmyRose, found it! http://www.windows-nation.de/explont4.jpg |
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| 11:11.34 | Genscher | AmyRose, hey, thank you |
| 11:11.36 | Genscher | looks nice now |
| 11:11.39 | AmyRose | Yeah, View --> View Mode --> MultiColumn, then View --> Icon Size --> Tiny |
| 11:11.53 | Genscher | AmyRose, thanks your for your great help |
| 11:11.57 | Genscher | -s |
| 11:11.59 | AmyRose | You're welcome :) |
| 11:12.19 | AmyRose | Well, it's OK. |
| 11:12.20 | AmyRose | :) |
| 11:12.56 | AmyRose | I also helped someone get Bash into vi mode :D |
| 11:13.00 | Genscher | (is there a way to set this view a standard for all new opened konquerors? :) |
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| 11:13.14 | AmyRose | Genscher: It should be the default now |
| 11:13.18 | Genscher | AmyRose, hehe, i can understand that. vi is my favourite |
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| 11:13.44 | AmyRose | Genscher: Well, if you want to use vi commands in bash, you can type set -o vi |
| 11:14.08 | AmyRose | but the default mode is insert, not command mode |
| 11:14.11 | Genscher | AmyRose, (tiny icons are standard now, but not the multicolumn view, weird) |
| 11:14.36 | AmyRose | Well, then try going to your home directory and going to Settings --> Save View Profile, and hitting OK |
| 11:14.54 | AmyRose | After setting your icon size |
| 11:15.26 | Genscher | AmyRose, i saved the viewing profile for file management and it works :) |
| 11:15.33 | AmyRose | Yeah |
| 11:15.40 | AmyRose | that's the one you were supposed to save :) |
| 11:16.20 | Genscher | i start to feel comfortable in linux (i'm on it for my first time in life, no windows on my pc any more) |
| 11:16.20 | AmyRose | I've done that to keep the Extra toolbar by default |
| 11:16.20 | Genscher | :) |
| 11:16.33 | AmyRose | Genscher: I have been using Linux as my only OS since March 28, 2004 (yes, I celebrate it every year since it's Screw Microsoft Day for me) |
| 11:16.53 | Genscher | cool :) |
| 11:16.54 | AmyRose | Well, I also used FreeDOS in that time |
| 11:17.03 | AmyRose | But no Windows |
| 11:17.08 | AmyRose | or MS-DOS for that matter :p |
| 11:17.32 | Genscher | my problem was, that i was disappointed with ubuntu which i installed at some friend so i stayed with windows |
| 11:17.43 | AmyRose | Well, Kubuntu is better I think |
| 11:17.52 | Genscher | no main difference |
| 11:18.00 | AmyRose | i don't like the GNOME "Removing features makes it better!" BS |
| 11:18.06 | Genscher | i'm on sabayon / gentoo now, and *that* is quite easy to handle :) |
| 11:18.14 | Genscher | hehe |
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| 11:18.35 | AmyRose | I don't want to try Gentoo. I can't stand the requirement to compile everything |
| 11:18.47 | AmyRose | I use the GIMP because Krita doesn't do animation. |
| 11:19.29 | Genscher | that's where sabayon jumps in - precompiled with gentoo flexibility ;) well i just went down the distrowatch list from place 1 to 7 and didn't went on after i tried sabayon live cd. distrowatch is quite nice |
| 11:19.49 | AmyRose | Well, I like Kubuntu better. |
| 11:20.03 | AmyRose | Genscher: I am actually talking to you from a machine with pretty low specs, but KDE 3.5.6 |
| 11:20.09 | AmyRose | Sysinfo for 'pentiumtwo': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Pentium II (Klamath) at 332 MHz (665 bogomips), HD: 0/0GB, RAM: 151/154MB, 109 proc's, 1.5d up |
| 11:20.20 | Genscher | nice |
| 11:20.28 | AmyRose | Using Konversation, of course :) |
| 11:20.42 | Genscher | i tried that, but changed to xchat |
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| 11:20.54 | AmyRose | Genscher: Do you like to script? |
| 11:21.05 | Genscher | at least to code, why? :) |
| 11:21.23 | AmyRose | Because that would be a good reason to use xchat instead of Konversation |
| 11:21.37 | Genscher | i just liked the layout ;) |
| 11:21.45 | Genscher | maybe i am too much a former windows user ;) |
| 11:21.50 | AmyRose | Heh, I used to use Gaim first. |
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| 11:22.03 | AmyRose | Well, KDE is popular among ex-Windows users |
| 11:22.13 | Genscher | quite understandable |
| 11:22.47 | AmyRose | I actually started IRCing on Gaim |
| 11:22.57 | Genscher | that works? ;) |
| 11:22.59 | AmyRose | Then I switched to XChat when I got addicted |
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| 11:23.16 | AmyRose | And then I tried Konversation. And I liked the UI better |
| 11:23.44 | AmyRose | Oh, and it said I have no hard drive above--I have a 40 GB hard drive on this machine |
| 11:23.55 | Jump86 | for me gnome was easier to adjust to as a former windows users than kde |
| 11:24.00 | Jump86 | maybe im just weird |
| 11:24.22 | AmyRose | Jump86: I've heard GNOME users admitting that KDE is better for Windows power users |
| 11:24.38 | Simeon_H | I went from xchat to a really old version of irssi with a GUI to Konversation and back to XChat again :D |
| 11:25.00 | AmyRose | Simeon_H: XChat?! And you fault me for using Audacious?! Shame on you! |
| 11:25.00 | Jump86 | im just now getting comfortable with kde.. i like it in some ways and dont in other |
| 11:25.06 | AmyRose | :P |
| 11:25.43 | Sho_ | Simeon_H: Why did you switch back to X-Chat? |
| 11:25.49 | Genscher | Jump86, i am also weird - is there any former windows user starting with a gentoo layer distribution? ;) |
| 11:26.08 | AmyRose | I recommend XChat to Windows users over mIRC (the GPLed edition, not the shareware version) |
| 11:26.20 | AmyRose | I tried mIRC in Wine and HATED IT |
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| 11:26.26 | XVampireX | Don't you people think that KDE or Linux in general needs a music player with skins support like Winamp 5? |
| 11:26.33 | Simeon_H | because Konversation became uncomfortable and I wanted to use some scripts |
| 11:26.36 | rstanca | Konversation fans, how can I make it authenticate me on freenode BEFORE joining channels? |
| 11:26.38 | AmyRose | XVampireX: They're working on that in Audacious |
| 11:26.38 | Genscher | i hope wine gets fixed soon ;) |
| 11:26.41 | Sho_ | Simeon_H: "uncomfortable"? |
| 11:26.54 | XVampireX | AmyRose: Their own skins support? |
| 11:26.54 | Sho_ | rstanca: You can use the nickserv password as server password |
| 11:27.02 | Simeon_H | look, I don't like Konversation and I don't know why D: |
| 11:27.06 | Jump86 | linux needs no audio player beyond amarok.. period |
| 11:27.13 | AmyRose | XVampireX: Yeah, there are two freeform skins for it. |
| 11:27.28 | XVampireX | because the one in XMMS is from Winamp 2 and only supports plain skins |
| 11:27.39 | AmyRose | Sho_: I understand--I just use Audacious's default one anyway :P |
| 11:28.01 | XVampireX | [amarok] haha |
| 11:28.20 | main2 | does anyone know a ebook-organizer-program for K? |
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| 11:28.37 | AmyRose | XVampireX: If you want freeform skins, you can use noatun with its KJöfol interface |
| 11:28.40 | Genscher | #kde is quite fun in compare to #gnome ;) |
| 11:28.51 | XVampireX | AmyRose: Screeny? :P |
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| 11:29.14 | AmyRose | XVampireX: If you want... sure |
| 11:29.32 | Genscher | ;) |
| 11:29.38 | Simeon_H | who's that girl who's on the kde4 plasma team |
| 11:29.44 | Simeon_H | the new zealander one... |
| 11:29.46 | XVampireX | annma |
| 11:29.50 | XVampireX | no? |
| 11:30.04 | Sho_ | Simeon_H: Jessica 'canllaith' Hall |
| 11:30.18 | Simeon_H | canllaith, you're pretty :D |
| 11:30.34 | Simeon_H | that is all -_- |
| 11:30.37 | Sho_ | Now don't get all drooly nerd ;) |
| 11:30.39 | XVampireX | Ah, yeah.... looks like noatun works for freeform skins :D |
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| 11:31.20 | sebbar | how is the development of plasma going? |
| 11:31.28 | XVampireX | sebbar: #plasma |
| 11:31.33 | XVampireX | but it's taking long |
| 11:31.42 | XVampireX | may be not ready for 4.0 |
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| 11:32.14 | Simeon_H | I thought 4.0 pretty much was plasma |
| 11:32.23 | Sho_ | Hardly |
| 11:32.25 | XVampireX | Not really |
| 11:32.26 | XVampireX | yup |
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| 11:32.31 | Simeon_H | I mean, they're scrapping kicker... what will they replace it with in the meantime |
| 11:32.45 | Sho_ | Kicker is still there |
| 11:32.50 | XVampireX | For now it might still be kicker |
| 11:32.56 | Sho_ | KDesktop has been removed, however, which has created a vacuum for the time being |
| 11:33.05 | Simeon_H | we'll use the GNOME on :D:D:D: |
| 11:33.07 | Sho_ | Might need to be resurrected partially |
| 11:33.20 | XVampireX | Heh |
| 11:33.49 | AmyRose | You guys making me glad I am not beta testing KDE 4.0 :P |
| 11:34.00 | XVampireX | Why? |
| 11:34.05 | XVampireX | It's not beta. |
| 11:34.05 | rstanca | Sho_: what should I put in the Service field on Auto Identify(regartding konversation)? tried "nickserv" "/msg nickserv" |
| 11:34.07 | Sho_ | Well, it's not in beta yet ;) |
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| 11:34.19 | Simeon_H | it's umm |
| 11:34.33 | Simeon_H | before alpha > > ... and after omega |
| 11:34.34 | Simeon_H | :o |
| 11:34.43 | Sho_ | rstanca: "nickserv", but that won't get you around the latency issue you're experiencing. If you want to work around that, use the nickserv password as server password. |
| 11:34.54 | XVampireX | well bye bye |
| 11:35.38 | AmyRose | XVampireX: But I'm working on your screen shots! |
| 11:35.49 | XVampireX | AmyRose: PM them to me, I'm going to work, thanks :) |
| 11:35.54 | AmyRose | OK |
| 11:36.08 | AmyRose | It will take a bit to get to Photobucket anyway |
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| 11:37.38 | fred87 | http://lolgeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/lolgeeks008.jpg |
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| 11:39.40 | qupada | fred87: http://qupada.orcon.net.nz/87.jpg |
| 11:39.58 | AmyRose | fred87: hahaha |
| 11:40.06 | fred87 | damnit; in vista atm, I miss klipper soooo much |
| 11:40.13 | fred87 | qupada: heh |
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| 11:41.49 | AmyRose | fred87: Using an irssi on a remote host then? |
| 11:42.19 | rstanca | fred87: which one is balmer in that picture? :) |
| 11:42.32 | rstanca | Sho_: thank you |
| 11:44.26 | Simeon_H | DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS |
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| 12:05.44 | icwiener | Wow, I had massive problems with Kongueror FTP uploads of files bigger ~50MB. The transfers always stopped when the file was submitted completely at 100% and stuck. Now I am with a new provider and it works very well. Sometimes it has some advantages to go from the no. 1 big business provider to a smaller one. :D |
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| 12:06.31 | kubuntu_tester | hello people |
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| 12:07.24 | kubuntu_tester | I'm using kde_3.5.5, what part of system controls automount of external devices? |
| 12:08.03 | kubuntu_tester | KDE daemon pop-ups a window when I plug an usb key but when I choose "open in new window" nothing happens |
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| 12:08.28 | kubuntu_tester | kernel detects the stick correctly |
| 12:08.32 | wolsni | the configuration settings are in kcontrol under peripherals->removable media |
| 12:08.56 | wolsni | dunno about kubuntu's kcontrol replacement |
| 12:09.53 | Jucato | system settings -> notifications -> storage media |
| 12:10.14 | wolsni | possibly |
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| 12:10.40 | wolsni | you win this time, Jucato |
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| 12:11.07 | kubuntu_tester | ok, Jucato wins but this doesnt help me :P |
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| 12:11.24 | Jucato | so -1 for wolsni (it was his idea)O |
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| 12:11.33 | wolsni | :( |
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| 12:12.27 | kubuntu_tester | no device in storage media |
| 12:12.29 | AmyRose | Stupid Kopete keeps freezing on this computer! |
| 12:12.29 | kubuntu_tester | :( |
| 12:12.43 | AmyRose | It's faster than Gaim when it's working |
| 12:12.45 | AmyRose | thoguh |
| 12:12.49 | AmyRose | *though* |
| 12:12.51 | kubuntu_tester | it works only if I use pmount |
| 12:13.09 | wolsni | AmyRose: have you checked bugs.kde.org? |
| 12:13.33 | AmyRose | wolsni: No. |
| 12:13.42 | kubuntu_tester | nobody can give me an advice about that? |
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| 12:14.18 | AmyRose | However, I will say that on this computer, KDE applications are noticeably faster than GTK apps |
| 12:14.19 | kubuntu_tester | AmyRose: ? |
| 12:14.30 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: The CTCP-VERSION thing? |
| 12:14.41 | kubuntu_tester | yep |
| 12:14.51 | AmyRose | I was just seeing what IRC client you were using |
| 12:14.54 | wolsni | that or your distro bugtracker would be the place to go with crashing problems |
| 12:14.59 | stanv | Hello, can anybody help me? I need contents of /etc/pam.d/kde file. Please send me it contents by private message. Thanks |
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| 12:15.12 | AmyRose | wolsni: It only crashed once, but it freezes a lot. |
| 12:15.17 | kubuntu_tester | AmyRose: konversation |
| 12:15.25 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: I know |
| 12:15.34 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from kubuntu_tester: Konversation 1.0 Build 3170 (C) 2002-2006 by the Konversation team |
| 12:16.24 | kubuntu_tester | kernel's log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18945/ |
| 12:16.26 | AmyRose | Yay, finally, 2 other Konversation users! |
| 12:16.49 | wolsni | yeah, no one in here uses Konversation |
| 12:17.07 | kubuntu_tester | it's a nice irc client, I think |
| 12:17.19 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: Amen! I totally agree |
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| 12:17.42 | kubuntu_tester | AmyRose: do you know which part of kde controls automount system? |
| 12:18.02 | AmyRose | I don't know why the heck mIRC is so popular though... I tried mIRC on Windows and HATED IT SO BAD... |
| 12:18.06 | AmyRose | Wine* |
| 12:18.08 | AmyRose | not windows :P |
| 12:18.20 | wolsni | Sho_ probably uses it too (konvi) |
| 12:18.30 | AmyRose | mIRC has the absolute worst UI I've ever EVER seen in an IRC client. |
| 12:18.39 | Jucato | AmyRose: scripts and colors :) |
| 12:18.40 | kubuntu_tester | windows? I heard this word before...hmm...when? :P |
| 12:18.51 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: I meant Wine |
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| 12:19.07 | AmyRose | I've never actually run it on Windows since I don't have Windows |
| 12:19.15 | AmyRose | I was thinking it's a Windows client, and it's 7 AM here |
| 12:19.18 | wolsni | kubuntu_tester: you don't have windows on your computer screen? |
| 12:19.30 | kubuntu_tester | wolsni: nope |
| 12:19.48 | Sho_ | wolsni: A bold assumption, but you're right ;) |
| 12:19.55 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: To answer your question, it's kded that handles removable disks |
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| 12:21.15 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: kded is controlled by the KDE service manager |
| 12:21.30 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: that would either be in the KDE control center or in system settings |
| 12:21.31 | Jucato | System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Service Manager |
| 12:21.45 | kubuntu_tester | finded it yet |
| 12:21.57 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: Make sure the media notifier is enabled and running |
| 12:22.04 | kubuntu_tester | it's running |
| 12:22.19 | stanv | I need contents of /etc/pam.d/kde |
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| 12:24.13 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: Yeah, you need to make sure it has permission to see the medium and mount it |
| 12:24.13 | kubuntu_tester | I think there is something wrong with kde/hal backend |
| 12:24.14 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: What version of Kubuntu are you using? |
| 12:24.14 | kubuntu_tester | dapper drake |
| 12:24.14 | Jucato | hm... |
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| 12:25.11 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: Oh... please upgrade! Dapper isn't a very good release... |
| 12:25.32 | kubuntu_tester | AmyRose: why? I think it's really stable |
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| 12:25.40 | kubuntu_tester | (for my purpose) |
| 12:25.43 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: But I had a bunch of weird problems in it |
| 12:26.12 | Jucato | for something that's stable, you sure are getting some problems :) |
| 12:26.14 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: I really think Edgy and Feisty are better than Dapper by leaps and bounds |
| 12:26.18 | Jucato | oh well... stable != perfect :D |
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| 12:26.36 | AmyRose | Jucato: Yeah, it doesn't crash, but kubuntu_tester can't mount anything. Nice, huh? :P |
| 12:26.39 | Sho_ | Edgy was a lot better than Dapper |
| 12:26.50 | Sho_ | (despite breaking Konversation) |
| 12:26.54 | kubuntu_tester | Jucato: this is a bug nothing to do about stability |
| 12:27.09 | AmyRose | Sho_: What is broken about Konversation in Edgy? I used it without hitting any problems |
| 12:27.20 | wolsni | uptime isn't everything :) |
| 12:27.23 | kubuntu_tester | AmyRose: I can't mount only usb sticks |
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| 12:27.31 | Sho_ | Jucato: :P |
| 12:27.34 | Jucato | kubuntu_tester: only usb sticks and only those? |
| 12:27.34 | kubuntu_tester | dvd, cdrom, etc...work well |
| 12:27.40 | kubuntu_tester | Jucato: yes |
| 12:27.49 | fred87 | AmyRose: yep, irssi on remote host |
| 12:27.59 | fred87 | yay for ctcp version :p |
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| 12:28.04 | Jucato | Sho_: I've been watching too much anime where some characters start a sort of offtopic lecture, complete with blackboard and chalk and some illustrations :) |
| 12:28.08 | AmyRose | kubuntu_tester: Can you please plug in your USB stick and pasteboard the end of what dmesg says? |
| 12:28.08 | Sho_ | AmyRose: The short version is that they forked a file from 0.19 and forgot about it and shipped it with 1.0/1.0.1 as well. The file defines menu structures, so a number of menu items are missing. |
| 12:28.18 | kubuntu_tester | AmyRose: I did |
| 12:28.19 | kubuntu_tester | :P |
| 12:28.31 | kubuntu_tester | [14:16] <kubuntu_tester> kernel's log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18945/ |
| 12:28.34 | kubuntu_tester | voilà |
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| 12:28.56 | AmyRose | Sho_: Oh, that would explain it. I do remember upgrading to Feisty Beta after reading about that. |
| 12:29.00 | Sho_ | AmyRose: It's fixed in Feisty however |
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| 12:29.10 | AmyRose | Sho_: Yeah, that's what I heard too |
| 12:29.29 | AmyRose | Sho_: Thanks for explaining it. I didn't know because it wasn't crashing on me or anything |
| 12:29.50 | Jucato | AmyRose: "break/broken" can mean a lot of things, not just crashing :) |
| 12:29.59 | Jucato | (kpdf is broken too...) |
| 12:30.07 | AmyRose | Jucato: Well, I was using xchat mainly until I upgraded to Feisty Beta |
| 12:30.22 | wolsni | gee, sounds like a nice distro |
| 12:30.33 | AmyRose | wolsni: What do you use? |
| 12:30.41 | Jucato | wolsni: well... yes and no... :) |
| 12:30.43 | wolsni | i'm on Fedora |
| 12:30.49 | Jucato | oooh fed... |
| 12:30.49 | Sho_ | AmyRose: For the most part it meant that a few new things weren't accessible, the tab context menu could stop functioning under certain circumstances, and the tab switching shortcuts were wrong |
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| 12:31.05 | AmyRose | wolsni: Fedora's pretty nice unless you need a proprietary driver :/ |
| 12:31.19 | kubuntu_tester | "break/broken" state for a package is tied to repository |
| 12:31.24 | AmyRose | Sho_: OK. |
| 12:31.34 | Sho_ | AmyRose: Which is the funny part behind this ... we found out about the problem by Kubuntu approaching us and claiming we had a bug, namely using non-standard tab switching shortcuts - but we initialize them from the global defaults. Turns out they had forked that file, added custom shortcuts for unknown reasons, and then forgot both about that and the fork itself |
| 12:31.40 | Jucato | kubuntu_tester: that's not what we meant by broken though :) |
| 12:31.42 | wolsni | anyway, the livna repository makes even that pretty painless |
| 12:31.57 | Sho_ | AmyRose: So ... great quality control there ;) |
| 12:32.00 | AmyRose | Sho_: Do you mean Ctrl+PageUp and Ctrl+PageDown? |
| 12:32.51 | Jucato | tsk tsk... you got Sho_ going on a roll now :) |
| 12:33.00 | Sho_ | AmyRose: The global default shortcuts are Ctrl+,/. and Ctrl+]/[ iirc |
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| 12:33.28 | AmyRose | Sho_: Hmm... Konq responds to Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn... |
| 12:33.33 | Jucato | hm... Ctrl+[/]... |
| 12:33.34 | AmyRose | so does Kopete |
| 12:33.39 | Jucato | AmyRose: hm?? |
| 12:33.51 | wolsni | AmyRose: sounds like a kubuntu thing |
| 12:34.00 | AmyRose | Jucato: Everything on my machine uses Ctrl+PgUp/PgDown |
| 12:34.06 | Sho_ | AmyRose: Perhaps Kubuntu decided to change the KDE default to Ctrl+PageUp/PageDown and thought they also had to manually change this in Konvi and thus forked the file (which would have been unnecessary because Konvi gets them from the global defaults) ... that would explain the motivation behind their mistake |
| 12:34.07 | Jucato | unless SUSE borked this again, Ctrl+PageUp/Down doesn't work on Konqi |
| 12:34.09 | wolsni | that's definitely not the case here, anyway |
| 12:34.25 | Jucato | er.. s/SUSE/Kubuntu |
| 12:36.11 | Sho_ | You're on SuSE? o.O |
| 12:36.11 | AmyRose | Well, I like it because it's what the GTK apps use, so it's consistent |
| 12:36.11 | Jucato | Sho_: because I'm downloading Mandriva lol |
| 12:36.12 | AmyRose | And I use QtCurve too :) |
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| 12:36.14 | Jucato | oh oh oh! on KDE shortcut which I don't understand.... Ctrl+Home in Konqueror |
| 12:36.25 | Jucato | AmyRose: that would involve installing gtk-qt engine, Qtcurve for kde/qt, qtcurve for gtk... 3 instead of just 2 |
| 12:36.38 | kubuntu_tester | this is kded's output: http://rafb.net/p/ZBHDhy63.html - it doesnt help really much |
| 12:36.43 | Sho_ | Jucato: Why would they need to install gtk-qt-engine if they used QtCurve? |
| 12:36.49 | AmyRose | Jucato: Whatever... I added the repo from http://morgoth.free.fr and installed his packages |
| 12:36.49 | Jucato | that and the current artist things polyester is a much better alternative to plastik :D |
| 12:36.55 | benJIman | Jucato: no need for gtk-qt-engine |
| 12:37.04 | Jucato | oh yeah my bad |
| 12:37.10 | Sho_ | Jucato: QtCurve also has one of those flashy-shiney modes like Polyester, btw |
| 12:37.11 | benJIman | SUSE are already using qtcurve for gtk apps at least |
| 12:37.26 | benJIman | as gtk-qt horribly breaks keyboard navigation of GTK apps, has huge memory leak issues, and other bugs |
| 12:37.39 | AmyRose | Jucato: Yeah. I just LOVE how when you point at the menus in GTK apps they highlight like they do in KDE apps :D |
| 12:37.44 | Sho_ | I prefer Domino aesthetically and don't really use GTK apps so I lack a use case, but QtCurve is a fairly quality piece of work |
| 12:37.50 | Jucato | :) |
| 12:37.54 | sabayonlive-3398 | ? |
| 12:38.00 | AmyRose | And the scrollbars aren't broken either |
| 12:38.13 | Jucato | Domino > QtCurve > Plastik... (I think) |
| 12:38.23 | AmyRose | since it's a real GTK theme instead of a generic thing |
| 12:38.24 | Jucato | although most of the time I just switch between Domino and Plastik |
| 12:38.34 | benJIman | Jucato: qtcurve can look like both |
| 12:38.38 | Jucato | nah, Domino > Plastik > QtCurve (just for KDE apps) |
| 12:38.40 | benJIman | It's quite configurable, and you can add new styles to it |
| 12:38.54 | Jucato | benJIman: yeah. both QtCurve and Domino are very configurable |
| 12:39.03 | AmyRose | I would use polyester if the gtk-qt theme would honor the menubar emphasis setting |
| 12:39.40 | Jucato | but I think Domino has more configuration options.... just haven't checked qtcurve lately |
| 12:39.46 | AmyRose | Jucato: Since I rely on a couple of GTK applications, I like them to behave as similarly to my KDE apps as possible |
| 12:40.02 | AmyRose | And QtCurve looks really nice in the Dull Glass setting |
| 12:40.04 | Jucato | benJIman: SUSE's qtcurve for gtk is configured to look like plastik? just wondering why SUSE's KDE isn't using qtcurve too |
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| 12:40.32 | Hoki_Workin | ^^ |
| 12:40.34 | Jucato | Sho_: if only Domino were available for GTK too... we'd convert lots of people :) |
| 12:41.09 | Jucato | tsk tsk... no distrowars please |
| 12:41.09 | AmyRose | It's the ONLY distro I've ever used that messed up my mouse. |
| 12:41.09 | benJIman | Jucato: hopefully will be in the future, I just need to persuade the KDE team. |
| 12:41.09 | Jucato | benJIman: you're part of that right? |
| 12:41.11 | benJIman | Jucato: although kde4 might be here sooner, and I don't think qtcurve is ported to 4 yet |
| 12:41.27 | benJIman | Jucato: no I don't do any kde development. |
| 12:41.34 | Jucato | ah |
| 12:41.41 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well I'm definitely not going to start a GTK port though :P |
| 12:41.50 | benJIman | SUSE employ about 10 kde developers though. |
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| 12:41.52 | Jucato | Sho_: of course not. you wouldn |
| 12:42.04 | Jucato | Sho_: of course not. you wouldn't even make some port for Qt on Windows :D |
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| 12:42.28 | benJIman | Jucato: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Team |
| 12:42.35 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well I'd rather write software for Gnome than for Windows any day, though |
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| 12:42.54 | Jucato | hm.. somehow, the SUSE2 windeco only looks good on SUSE... tried it on Kubuntu and it looks like.... dung :D |
| 12:43.29 | Jucato | benJIman: by employ, you mean, hired/paid? |
| 12:43.30 | Sho_ | SuSE has had an excruciatingly bad taste in window decorations for years |
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| 12:44.00 | Jucato | Sho_: the buttons don't look nice, but the borders do... but only on suse |
| 12:44.05 | kubuntu_tester | Jucato, AmyRose: kubuntu 7.10 is a disaster regarding network manager |
| 12:44.12 | Sho_ | Jucato: I might not now their newest one though |
| 12:44.25 | Jucato | still using SUSE2 as far as I can tell |
| 12:44.41 | Sho_ | kubuntu_tester: Yeah, several friends have problems with WLAN in Feisty ... I'm still on Edgy on my laptop, which works pretty well overall |
| 12:44.43 | tuxick | how many kde/qt based 'network manager' tools are there anyway? |
| 12:44.46 | tuxick | 200? |
| 12:44.57 | Jucato | knetworkmanager and I forgot the other one... |
| 12:45.07 | benJIman | network manager was dodgy on suse the first release it was in too |
| 12:45.10 | kubuntu_tester | Sho_: I had problem with nrg driver too |
| 12:45.13 | tuxick | all dists probably hack up their own anyway |
| 12:45.25 | benJIman | Sho_: I like all the post 9.3 suse decorations, they're nice and neutral |
| 12:45.32 | benJIman | before then they were fairly bad |
| 12:45.36 | Sho_ | tuxick: Well networkmanager is sort of emerging as a standard backend ... knetworkmanager is frontend obviously, and so is Solid in KDE4 |
| 12:45.37 | Jucato | tuxick: Kubuntu uses the one from knetworkmanager but might have added/removed some stuff |
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| 12:45.45 | Sho_ | *a frontend |
| 12:45.46 | tuxick | Jucato: ah ok |
| 12:45.54 | tuxick | that's good news then |
| 12:46.12 | tuxick | of course all dists have different ideas about network config |
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| 12:46.20 | tuxick | but i suppose that can be sorted |
| 12:46.23 | Jucato | kubuntu_tester: btw, I think 7.04 (there's not 7.10 yet) is the first release they put in knetworkmanager by default |
| 12:46.40 | kubuntu_tester | *7.04 |
| 12:46.42 | benJIman | Hello fred. |
| 12:46.43 | kubuntu_tester | :D |
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| 12:47.08 | Jucato | ooh didn't notice she was here..... hi annma!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:47.19 | annma | hi Jucato :) |
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| 12:47.59 | Jucato | hm... LCD monitor + bright light from the ceiling = ouch... |
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| 12:49.22 | Jucato | ok I quit... 38 days :) |
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| 12:49.41 | wolsni | Jucato: o_O |
| 12:50.15 | Jucato | heh the closest mandriva mirrors aren't working... so I'm playing with some other mirrors... |
| 12:50.20 | Jucato | torrent is also... um... stalled |
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| 12:50.30 | Jucato | but 13 days only :D |
| 12:50.45 | Sho_ | You're in distro fever again, eh? |
| 12:50.55 | wolsni | Jucato: sometimes it takes a while to find peers, I'd leave the torrent open |
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| 12:51.01 | benJIman | Jucato: clearly you need a faster connection. |
| 12:51.18 | Jucato | benJIman: everyone does :D |
| 12:51.37 | Jucato | although I was able to patiently download FC 6 and opensuse 10.2 5 CDs... |
| 12:51.56 | Jucato | unfortunately, driva 2007.1 only comes in DVD or the One.. |
| 12:52.06 | Jucato | Sho_: and yes, distro fever... gonna try to make it short :) |
| 12:52.17 | Jucato | SUSE, Fedora, Mandriva, Debian... the end :D |
| 12:52.26 | Jucato | (Debian probably on the desktop only though) |
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| 12:56.00 | wolsni | Jucato: the new version of Fedora will have a KDE 'spin' as well as cool stuff like RandR 1.2 |
| 12:56.26 | wolsni | might have been worth waiting for if you're checking things out |
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| 12:56.54 | Jucato | wolsni: so I've heard... but don't see myself still distro hopping that long :) |
| 12:57.31 | Skrot- | wolsni: With xorg 7.3? |
| 12:57.53 | wolsni | I'm not sure, I suppose so |
| 12:58.09 | Skrot- | mm |
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| 13:05.16 | Sho_ | Skrot-: xorg-server 1.3 features xrandr 1.2 support and has recently been released |
| 13:05.29 | Skrot- | ah |
| 13:05.34 | Sho_ | Skrot-: It's sort of sitting inbetween Xorg 7.2 and 7.3; the Xorg 7.3 roll-up is supposed to have xorg-server 1.4 |
| 13:05.44 | Skrot- | I see :) |
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| 13:06.47 | Sho_ | Skrot-: The 1.3 release is mostly to get randr 1.2 out there along with a first supporting proof of concept driver (Intel's 2.0 driver) ... trial by fire to have the kinks worked out by 1.4 ;) |
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| 13:08.08 | Skrot- | Indeed.. new in RandR 1.2 is better support for hotplugging and reconfiguring output devices, right? |
| 13:08.24 | wolsni | s/better// |
| 13:08.33 | Skrot- | right ;) |
| 13:08.46 | Skrot- | Thats the biggest problem with xorg today imo |
| 13:09.12 | wolsni | it'll be great for laptop users especially |
| 13:09.19 | Skrot- | mhm |
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| 13:18.46 | Sho_ | Skrot-: yes, and it also brings advanced multihead abilities found in the nVidia driver (and beyond) to more drivers |
| 13:19.01 | Skrot- | sweet :) |
| 13:19.12 | Sho_ | Skrot-: xorg-server 1.4/Xorg 7.3 will also bring hotplugging of input devices, so by that time, for a traditional desktop system, a preconfigured xorg.conf should be unnecessary |
| 13:19.45 | Skrot- | can't wait for that =) |
| 13:22.08 | Caster | or less mess |
| 13:22.40 | Caster | Sho_: I thought xorg-server 1.3 was xorg 7.3 |
| 13:22.43 | Caster | guess not |
| 13:23.01 | Sho_ | Caster: Nope, xorg-server 1.3 is inbetween Xorg 7.2 and 7.4 |
| 13:23.18 | Sho_ | err |
| 13:23.21 | Sho_ | 7.2 and 7.3 |
| 13:23.26 | Sho_ | Caster: The Xorg 7.3 rollup release is supposed to feature xorg-server 1.4 |
| 13:23.47 | Caster | so what's new in 1.3 |
| 13:24.33 | Sho_ | Caster: Now that X is modularized the components have their own, independent version numbers, the Xorg releases are rollups of that (hence also called "katamaris" by the developers after the popular video game) |
| 13:25.09 | Sho_ | Caster: Mostly support for RandR 1.2 and some improvements to EXA, a XRender hardware acceleration framework |
| 13:25.15 | Caster | so any version of X works with any version of Y? |
| 13:25.52 | Sho_ | Caster: No, there are backwards-incompatible changes that create interdependencies over time, of course |
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| 13:26.05 | Sho_ | Caster: But xorg-server 1.3 is a drop-in replacement for xorg-server 1.2 found in Xorg 7.2 |
| 13:26.12 | Caster | ok |
| 13:26.18 | JohnFlux | Sho_: my wife says katamari means like a blood clot |
| 13:26.30 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well, EXA for example was designed by KDE's Zack Rusin |
| 13:26.30 | JohnFlux | Sho_: or something hardened like a clot |
| 13:26.32 | Jucato | ooh hi JohnFlux :D |
| 13:26.41 | JohnFlux | :) |
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| 13:26.54 | Caster | I wish xcb wouldn't break stuff |
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| 13:26.59 | Jucato | oh yeah, that one :) |
| 13:27.02 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: There's a popular video game called "Katamari Damacy" in which one steers a ball around and rolls up everything from furniture to ships |
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| 13:27.20 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katamari_Damacy |
| 13:27.21 | Jucato | lol katamari damacy? you've heard of it? :D |
| 13:27.26 | Jucato | I've only seen it on TV :D |
| 13:27.28 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Hence the nicknama "katamari" for the Xorg rollups of the modules |
| 13:27.45 | Sho_ | *nickname |
| 13:28.04 | JohnFlux | damacy means like a soul or spirit |
| 13:28.09 | Caster | ps2 only, bah |
| 13:28.11 | JohnFlux | and changes the meaning of katamari |
| 13:28.26 | JohnFlux | katamari by itself means something totally different from katamari damacy |
| 13:28.40 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: I doubt the Xorg developers had the actual word meaning their mind ;) |
| 13:28.48 | wolsni | and now I know that there is a category on wikipedia called "Fictional Balls" |
| 13:28.51 | wolsni | ?? |
| 13:28.57 | JohnFlux | :-D |
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| 13:29.37 | Skrot- | And the Death Star from Star Wars is apparently one of them :p |
| 13:29.40 | Sho_ | wolsni: http://www.xkcd.com/c214.html |
| 13:30.08 | D-Fender1031 | Skrot-, the sphere o' fear |
| 13:30.17 | wolsni | xkcd++ |
| 13:30.32 | JohnFlux | btw is it a guy or girl that does xkcd? |
| 13:30.50 | Sho_ | xkcd is definitely displacing UserFriendly as the favored nerd comic strip recently |
| 13:31.07 | JohnFlux | uf fell out many years ago I think |
| 13:31.19 | JohnFlux | or maybe my tastes just changed |
| 13:31.30 | wolsni | i get the impression it's a guy |
| 13:31.38 | Sho_ | me too |
| 13:31.43 | wolsni | look at the 'About' page |
| 13:32.10 | Jucato | lol that happens to me *a lot* on wikipedia.. |
| 13:32.22 | Jucato | more than on any other website |
| 13:32.25 | Jucato | (except KDE of course) |
| 13:32.28 | wolsni | heh |
| 13:32.43 | JohnFlux | people browse the kde website? |
| 13:32.50 | mark_alec | Jucato: the kde website isn't very interesting |
| 13:32.51 | mark_alec | ;) |
| 13:33.01 | wolsni | the about page's last section: Which sorting algorithms should I use? They taught me so many. |
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| 13:33.35 | Jucato | mark_alec: oh have you tried digging up links/pages that aren't actually on the site map or "table of contents"? |
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| 13:34.07 | mark_alec | Jucato: no, i just prefer to use the software than trawl their website |
| 13:34.26 | Jucato | :D |
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| 13:34.52 | gemidjy1 | when using the Shadow features of KWin, all Kde becomes useless and slow |
| 13:34.53 | gemidjy1 | :/ |
| 13:35.09 | Jucato | kompmgr isn't really the most stable thing in the world :D |
| 13:35.22 | JohnFlux | gemidjy1: kwin has shadow features?? |
| 13:35.28 | JohnFlux | gemidjy1: kde3? |
| 13:35.31 | gemidjy1 | JohnFlux: 3.5.6 |
| 13:35.39 | JohnFlux | heh |
| 13:35.40 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: We're shipping a composition manager with shadow support since KDE 3.4.0 |
| 13:35.40 | gemidjy1 | Jucato: not at all |
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| 13:35.51 | JohnFlux | Sho_: say what? |
| 13:35.53 | mark_alec | Jucato: and i should have a new alpha to play with soon :) |
| 13:35.56 | Jucato | JohnFlux: kompmgr :) |
| 13:36.06 | Skrot- | But it's not hardware accelerated, right? |
| 13:36.07 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: KControl -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency |
| 13:36.08 | JohnFlux | heh |
| 13:36.21 | Jucato | Skrot-: it needs to have the Composite extension in X |
| 13:36.22 | Jucato | enabled |
| 13:36.24 | Sho_ | Skrot-: Well, it uses XRender, so it relies on XRender hardware acceleration |
| 13:36.36 | Skrot- | right |
| 13:36.41 | gemidjy1 | Sho_: any hints to make it more usable? |
| 13:36.45 | Sho_ | Skrot-: It's not using OpenGL, which brings some advantages in hardware accel |
| 13:37.00 | Sho_ | gemidjy1: Not much ... we've scrapped it for KDE4 and replaced it with much better version integrated into KDE4 |
| 13:37.02 | Skrot- | That's probably what I was thinking of |
| 13:37.15 | gemidjy1 | Sho_: ok, till then :) |
| 13:37.17 | Sho_ | gemidjy1: kompmgr was really more a proof of concept, it was one of the first composition managers around |
| 13:37.21 | Sho_ | gemidjy1: And it hasn't evolved much since |
| 13:37.27 | gemidjy1 | ahm |
| 13:37.33 | gemidjy1 | brb |
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| 13:41.48 | Lanken | where do I configure whether gwenview gets embedded in konqueror? |
| 13:42.48 | Jucato | Lanken: File Associations |
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| 13:43.23 | Lanken | I think I got it. |
| 13:43.29 | Lanken | checking. |
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| 13:44.47 | Lanken | I made the change for the "image subgroup" and it didn't work. |
| 13:44.54 | Jucato | KDE doesn |
| 13:44.56 | Lanken | I made it for jpg and it did work. |
| 13:45.03 | Jucato | KDE doesn't handle "groups" very well |
| 13:45.21 | Jucato | I mean, you can't set a default app for a group of typs |
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| 13:45.31 | Jucato | you can only set default behaviors |
| 13:46.16 | Sho_ | iirc that's supposed to be improved in trunk, but I haven't checked |
| 13:46.42 | Sho_ | certainly the MIME system has seen its share of changes, such as the switch from KDE's own MIME data base to fdo's shared-mime-info |
| 13:46.56 | Jucato | ah fdo :) |
| 13:47.22 | Jucato | sometimes I get that eye-twitching feeling whenever I hear that name/acronym :D |
| 13:48.33 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well sharing MIME data is an excellent idea that solves a fair share of problems |
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| 13:49.15 | Jucato | Sho_: I have nothing against the ideas. having "standards" that most parties would agree on is always and excellent idea |
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| 14:41.07 | nikolavp | it doesnt show up and i should click -> create new folder or something |
| 14:41.10 | nikolavp | and then it show up |
| 14:41.16 | nikolavp | refresh Desktop doesnt work either |
| 14:41.57 | wolsni | do you have desktop icons disabled? |
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| 15:02.44 | AmyRose | and I'm using KWord to write it ;) |
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| 15:26.34 | nick01 | how do I get spell checking in konversation ? |
| 15:27.15 | Jucato | nick01: right-click on the text input area -> Auto Spell Check |
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| 15:27.25 | lemur | rightclick on the textarea -> autospell |
| 15:27.34 | nick01 | Jucato: that doesn't work |
| 15:27.42 | lemur | did you install aspell ? |
| 15:27.44 | Jucato | how doesn't it work? |
| 15:27.49 | nick01 | Jucato: the option is available but not working |
| 15:27.50 | Skrot | works here |
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| 15:28.04 | Jucato | you need to have a dictionary installed and KDE set to use a dictionary |
| 15:28.34 | Sho_ | nick01: Check your spell checking settings in KControl and whether you actually have the selected backend and dictionary installed on your system |
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| 15:29.44 | Skrot | hm.. sonnet(?) will really come in handy on IRC :) |
| 15:29.52 | nick01 | yeah that was it it was set for ispell |
| 15:30.01 | nick01 | now restart konversation ? |
| 15:30.02 | Skrot | As I type in my native language in some channels, and english in others |
| 15:30.09 | Skrot | No need, nick01 |
| 15:30.24 | Skrot | nick01: Try writing a wrong word and it will become red |
| 15:30.29 | nick01 | it still doesn't work autochecking |
| 15:30.39 | lemur | you sure about that ? I would have propably tried restarting xorg / kde |
| 15:30.51 | nick01 | works now I disabled and enabled it |
| 15:30.58 | lemur | man kde rocks =P |
| 15:31.02 | Jucato | see? no need to restart :D |
| 15:31.04 | Skrot | I just enabled it, and changed the language without problem :) |
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| 15:48.36 | staonoel | hey all |
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| 16:08.13 | angeldarkholme | hi: anyone of you could please tell me how can I find out the fingerprint code of my linux system? |
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| 16:08.36 | pinotree | the what?? |
| 16:08.46 | angeldarkholme | Fingerprint: |
| 16:08.46 | angeldarkholme | 3119 5A09 CE9E 4928 B968 A637 9787 4067 2871 11EE |
| 16:08.51 | angeldarkholme | this kind of code |
| 16:09.00 | pinotree | what for? this is not windows |
| 16:09.04 | PhilOut | ask in #yourdistro - it's an sshd thing |
| 16:09.22 | angeldarkholme | that code is not for windows...is to identify someone with linux |
| 16:09.29 | pinotree | ?? |
| 16:09.37 | angeldarkholme | I already asked no one knows.... :S |
| 16:09.42 | PhilOut | pinotree: he's talking about the ssh fingerprint I suppose |
| 16:09.52 | PhilOut | (well, sshd to be precise) |
| 16:10.10 | pinotree | angeldarkholme: what do you have to do with that kind of code? care to explain us? |
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| 16:10.48 | PhilOut | angeldarkholme: 'man sshd' will probably help you |
| 16:10.57 | angeldarkholme | with that code I can identify my system, I want to add it at my mail signature |
| 16:11.22 | PhilOut | oh, you probably want your GPG fingerprint for that |
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| 16:12.00 | angeldarkholme | sorry...what's the difference between the sshd fingerprint and the GPG fingerprint??? |
| 16:12.41 | PhilOut | angeldarkholme: now that *is* a question for #yourdistro :-) (Or better, one of the linux channels, since it's not distro-specific |
| 16:12.42 | PhilOut | ) |
| 16:13.06 | pinotree | asking in ##linux would be better |
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| 16:14.58 | angeldarkholme | ok..thanks! |
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| 16:24.07 | angeldarkholme | Hi again...... my kde was running in 1024 x 768 but I knew my resolution had to be 1920 x 1200 so I changed my xorg.conf to have that resolution...but now everything works really slow.....is there anything else that I need to change? |
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| 16:32.30 | letto | angeldarkholme: did you install the drivers for your gpu ? |
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| 16:39.50 | angeldarkholme | yes |
| 16:39.59 | angeldarkholme | I have the correct drivers for the card |
| 16:40.11 | angeldarkholme | i think its something else |
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| 16:40.15 | angeldarkholme | like for kde |
| 16:40.20 | angeldarkholme | and I have another problem |
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| 16:40.27 | angeldarkholme | my system uses the dell keyboard |
| 16:40.36 | angeldarkholme | but each time I restart the computer |
| 16:40.37 | letto | what card do you have ? |
| 16:41.16 | angeldarkholme | the system starts with other kind of keyboard.... how can i make "dell" as default model for the keyboard? |
| 16:41.34 | angeldarkholme | Nvidia GForce 7950 GTX |
| 16:41.39 | angeldarkholme | 512 Mb |
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| 16:43.20 | letto | have you checked control center -> Regional & accesibility -> Keyboard Layout |
| 16:43.52 | letto | have you installed the drivers from the nvidia page ? |
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| 16:45.01 | angeldarkholme | yes each time I start a new session I have to go-> Regiona & accesibility -> keyboard layout.... |
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| 16:45.08 | angeldarkholme | is there a way to let it be default? |
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| 16:45.57 | letto | can't you just delette the others and have you tried moving them up/down ? |
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| 16:48.45 | angeldarkholme | yes I have done that |
| 16:48.56 | angeldarkholme | the layout is ok but the "keyboard model" |
| 16:49.15 | angeldarkholme | looks like it works only if i go back there and hit apply |
| 16:49.22 | angeldarkholme | on each new session |
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| 16:51.43 | letto | starnge |
| 16:51.57 | angeldarkholme | it's like a bu |
| 16:51.58 | angeldarkholme | bug |
| 16:52.00 | letto | check your xorg.conf file for thr kb model |
| 16:52.14 | letto | do this |
| 16:52.14 | letto | cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i driver |
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| 16:52.35 | letto | cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i kbmodel |
| 16:53.26 | angeldarkholme | what's going to do that command? |
| 16:53.47 | angeldarkholme | in my xorg.conf i have in XkbModel "pc105" |
| 16:53.51 | letto | just displays your xorg.conf |
| 16:54.06 | letto | that's wrong |
| 16:54.08 | letto | driver ? |
| 16:54.13 | angeldarkholme | I was wondering to change "pc105" to "Dell" |
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| 16:54.22 | letto | try to set it to dell |
| 16:54.35 | angeldarkholme | but I tried to find a model "pc105" and there's no shuch model |
| 16:54.48 | angeldarkholme | so i wasn't sure if thats where i should put dell |
| 16:54.49 | letto | what's your graphics driver in your xorg ? |
| 16:54.49 | angeldarkholme | ok |
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| 16:55.53 | letto | you can try using xorgconfig or xorgcfg |
| 16:56.10 | angeldarkholme | the driver says: "nvidia" |
| 16:56.23 | letto | that's good |
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| 16:59.27 | letto | angeldarkholme: after you reboot check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:59.49 | letto | angeldarkholme: for lines that start with WW or EE |
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| 17:00.23 | letto | angeldarkholme: and see if you find something that says it can't recognize your keyboard layout |
| 17:01.18 | angeldarkholme | ok I'll write down that...thaks a lot |
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| 17:01.26 | letto | angeldarkholme: you can use this command |
| 17:01.27 | letto | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -e WW -e EE |
| 17:01.57 | mefisto | (its smells like ubuntu user) |
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| 17:54.45 | _STiAT_ | anyone of you knows how to change the sound device arts uses? |
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| 17:55.42 | thiago | _STiAT_: in the KDE Control Center, there's an option to specify which sound device to use |
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| 17:56.59 | _STiAT_ | thiago: the one where i can choose between alsa and gstreamer? |
| 17:57.37 | thiago | you can't choose gstreamer |
| 17:57.41 | thiago | so, it's solved |
| 17:57.56 | _STiAT_ | thiago: right, just a couple of others |
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| 17:58.30 | _STiAT_ | thiago: i want to switch between my usb headphone and my soundcard, aplay does this with an option (i use alsa), but it seams not possible to get kde using this 2nd device |
| 17:58.52 | thiago | you have to change the sound device that aRts uses through ALSA and restart aRts |
| 17:59.58 | RushPL | hm, how do I disable mouse acceleration in KDE and set a cursor speed alone? |
| 18:00.19 | RushPL | is that pointer threshold on 0 pixels and operating on acceleration? |
| 18:00.29 | RushPL | that is not very clear to me ... |
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| 18:02.25 | vbgunz | how do I control Konquerors web browser font sizes? it's very small :( |
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| 18:03.11 | vbgunz | it's a bit crazy how small the fonts are :( |
| 18:03.48 | pinotree | settings -> configure konqueror -> fonts ? |
| 18:03.55 | benJIman | vbgunz: control-mousewheel to dynamically size, or what pinotree said. |
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| 18:04.42 | vbgunz | control-mousewheel works. I looked at appearance and css. will try what pinotree said |
| 18:05.23 | thiago | vbgunz: the default size should be acceptable |
| 18:05.29 | thiago | it's 9 or 10 pt |
| 18:05.36 | vbgunz | wow, perfect |
| 18:05.46 | vbgunz | pinotree, excellet, sorry I jumped the gun :( |
| 18:06.25 | vbgunz | thiago, it was min 8 med 10. that turned out for some fonts to show up really small. |
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| 18:32.46 | Gibus_ | Hello, I have a problem: when I right-click on my desktop to change the wallpaper, it does nothing, the wallpaper stays the same, whatever I change in the KDE menus. |
| 18:33.04 | Vasistha | did you click "apply"? |
| 18:33.09 | Gibus_ | I think it's linked with me trying compiz and beryl, but now I uninstalled everything but KDE |
| 18:33.10 | Gibus_ | Yes |
| 18:33.11 | annma | Gibus_: anything you change is not applieed then? |
| 18:33.28 | annma | Gibus_: try a new user maybe then |
| 18:33.31 | annma | just to test |
| 18:33.33 | Gibus_ | yes annma , anything about the wallpaper |
| 18:33.41 | Gibus_ | ok |
| 18:33.50 | annma | only wallpaper? |
| 18:33.53 | Gibus_ | yes |
| 18:33.56 | annma | other changes are applied? |
| 18:34.04 | annma | like you change fonts and it works? |
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| 18:34.23 | Gibus_ | I'm gonna try, just to be sure |
| 18:34.43 | annma | yes please, thanks |
| 18:34.46 | busfahrer | Excuse me, I remember an app called kteaclock or something like that, but I can't seem to find it on my kubuntu system, is it called something else? |
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| 18:34.59 | Gibus_ | yes, for instance if I disable the drawing of icons on the desktop, it takes effect |
| 18:35.26 | wolsni | busfahrer: kteatime |
| 18:35.29 | annma | Gibus_: ok then, about the walllpaper, which one is it that you want to set up? |
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| 18:35.40 | Gibus_ | interestingly enough, too, the wallpaper can be changed with konqueror when I right click on an image and set it as wallpaper |
| 18:35.46 | wolsni | busfahrer: should be in kdetoys |
| 18:35.56 | busfahrer | cheers guys |
| 18:36.16 | Gibus_ | annma: well I'd just wish I could choose any wallpaper and also change the luminosity and saturation like before |
| 18:36.18 | annma | Gibus_: which wallpaper is it? |
| 18:36.30 | Gibus_ | it's the same with any jpg |
| 18:36.33 | annma | which ones did you try so far? |
| 18:36.40 | annma | try a svg then |
| 18:36.42 | Gibus_ | ok |
| 18:37.33 | Gibus_ | the same with svg: i can put one as a wallpaper thanks to konqueror, but nothing changes in the desktop configuration menu |
| 18:37.45 | Gibus_ | it should be synchronised |
| 18:39.40 | annma | you put the wallpaper where? |
| 18:39.40 | Gibus_ | in which folder can I find the wallpaper file that is actually being used by the desktop ? |
| 18:39.40 | annma | on the desktop? |
| 18:39.55 | Gibus_ | no, annma , it's in a random folder |
| 18:40.24 | Gibus_ | is it somewhere in .kde ? |
| 18:40.30 | annma | so it's in konqueror file manager? |
| 18:41.06 | Gibus_ | yes |
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| 18:41.58 | annma | I thought it was on the desktop |
| 18:42.21 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.28 | Gibus_ | to summarize: I can't use the desktop manager |
| 18:42.29 | Gibus_ | yes |
| 18:42.36 | Gibus_ | since it doesnt work i use konqueror |
| 18:43.01 | Gibus_ | but konqueror can't change the saturation and so |
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| 18:43.06 | annma | what should be synchronized? |
| 18:43.15 | annma | you lost me here |
| 18:43.31 | Gibus_ | konqueror can put wallpapers, right ? |
| 18:43.43 | annma | <Gibus_> it should be synchronised |
| 18:43.46 | annma | Gibus_: you mixe everything |
| 18:43.54 | annma | background desktop is NOT konqueror |
| 18:43.59 | wolsni | he right clicks on an image in the file browser and sets it as his wallpaper |
| 18:44.01 | Gibus_ | I have some difficulties to explain my problem in english, I admit |
| 18:44.08 | Gibus_ | yes exactly wolsni |
| 18:44.17 | annma | so it's in konqueror! |
| 18:44.22 | Gibus_ | sorry for the language and obsfuscated sentences |
| 18:44.32 | annma | wolsni: what is the othezr mean to set it? |
| 18:44.48 | Gibus_ | yes annma but konqueror works fine, it's the desktop configurer that does not |
| 18:44.57 | Gibus_ | Kdesktop |
| 18:44.58 | annma | how does one set a wallpaper in konq file manager? |
| 18:45.00 | Gibus_ | to name it |
| 18:45.06 | wolsni | he's setting his DESKTOP wallpaper |
| 18:45.12 | Gibus_ | annma: right click on an image, then action -> set as wallpaper |
| 18:45.16 | annma | Gibus_: take a screenshot of what does not work |
| 18:45.19 | wolsni | it's in the actions menu |
| 18:45.28 | Gibus_ | Kdesktop does not work, annma |
| 18:45.31 | annma | so no konqueror |
| 18:45.38 | annma | Gibus_: it does |
| 18:45.45 | annma | Gibus_: try a new user then |
| 18:45.58 | annma | then come back and tell me if it works or not |
| 18:46.08 | Gibus_ | yes but if it works for the other user, what should I do for the first one , |
| 18:46.09 | Gibus_ | ? |
| 18:46.13 | wolsni | and after doing so, the kdesktop config panel doesn't reflect the changes |
| 18:46.30 | Gibus_ | that's it wolsni , do you have any idea how I could solve that ? |
| 18:46.55 | wolsni | nope, sorry :( |
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| 18:47.18 | Gibus_ | ok |
| 18:47.44 | wolsni | look for suspicious settings in .kde/config/kdesktoprc, I suppose |
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| 18:48.04 | Gibus_ | ok i try thaht |
| 18:48.30 | annma | try the new user first |
| 18:48.41 | wolsni | listen to annma |
| 18:48.44 | annma | then I'll tell you what to look for |
| 18:49.14 | Gibus_ | ok, i'll try (i never created a new user, that's why i was a bit reluctant) |
| 18:49.18 | StagedD | annma: o/ |
| 18:49.21 | annma | what distro? |
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| 18:49.54 | Gibus_ | kubuntu |
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| 18:50.40 | annma | ok let's skip it then |
| 18:50.51 | annma | what is your desktop like right now then? |
| 18:50.56 | annma | do you ahve a pic? |
| 18:50.59 | Gibus_ | yes |
| 18:51.23 | Alethes | Gibus_: System Settings/Advanced/Users or something like that, btw |
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| 18:51.34 | Alethes | I'm using mandriva at work, but I have kubuntu at home |
| 18:51.37 | Gibus_ | i have a pic I chose, but the colors are slightly different from normal, as if I had played with the colour slides from Kdesktop panel |
| 18:51.44 | Gibus_ | thanks, Alethes |
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| 18:52.03 | annma | so you managed to set a pic? |
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| 18:52.21 | annma | Gibus_: open Konsole |
| 18:52.30 | annma | Gibus_: tell me 'ok' when you have it |
| 18:52.34 | Gibus_ | ok |
| 18:53.25 | annma | type: cd and hit Enter |
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| 18:53.46 | cprgmswr2 | Hi |
| 18:53.48 | arturo | hi guys, what is so cool about QT4? |
| 18:53.57 | Gibus_ | yes, you can give more far-sighted instructions annma |
| 18:54.01 | cprgmswr2 | What is so special about QT4 |
| 18:54.18 | annma | Gibus_: grep 'wallpaper' .kde/share/config/kdesktoprc |
| 18:54.23 | annma | hit Enter |
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| 18:54.26 | arturo | cprgmswr2: lol! |
| 18:54.28 | annma | paste result |
| 18:54.31 | wolsni | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=Qt |
| 18:54.47 | annma | cprgmswr2: nothing, it's just a new major Qt version |
| 18:54.49 | arturo | wolsni: thx |
| 18:54.55 | wolsni | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(toolkit) is a better link |
| 18:54.56 | annma | cprgmswr2: look at Trolltech doc |
| 18:55.13 | Gibus_ | it's quite long, annma |
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| 18:55.18 | cprgmswr2 | Are the kde team focusing any on optimization? |
| 18:55.26 | Gibus_ | the four first are |
| 18:55.27 | Gibus_ | Wallpaper=/usr/share/wallpapers/alien-night.jpg |
| 18:55.27 | Gibus_ | Wallpaper=$HOME/dualwallpapers/42308-moutain_view2.svg |
| 18:55.28 | Gibus_ | Wallpaper=/usr/share/wallpapers/Superfluous-Organ-1.jpg |
| 18:55.28 | Gibus_ | Wallpaper=$HOME/dualwallpapers/42308-moutain_view2.svg |
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| 18:55.57 | annma | so you have Alien life set right now? |
| 18:56.05 | annma | Alien Night |
| 18:56.12 | wolsni | just switching to qt4 should improve speed and memory usage, as I understand it |
| 18:56.24 | cprgmswr2 | oh wow |
| 18:56.30 | Gibus_ | no annma it is set in kdesktop config panel but it is not what i see |
| 18:56.38 | cprgmswr2 | I noticed qt4 compiles faster than qt3 |
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| 18:57.20 | Gibus_ | qt4-designer is much better than qt3-designer, too, cprgmswr2 |
| 18:57.35 | annma | Gibus_: what do you see then? |
| 18:57.47 | lontra_ | is kde 4 alpha 1 suppose to be released today? |
| 18:57.54 | Gibus_ | I see the picture i've set with konqueror |
| 18:57.56 | annma | Gibus_: take a screenshot and post it and paste the link |
| 18:58.02 | Gibus_ | ok |
| 18:58.08 | annma | which is what name Gibus_? |
| 18:58.13 | arturo | thanx guys |
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| 18:58.20 | wolsni | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Roadmap |
| 18:58.28 | wolsni | lontra_: ^^ |
| 18:58.38 | lontra_ | ok so today ... |
| 18:59.06 | wolsni | just keep an eye on the dot |
| 18:59.11 | wolsni | dot.kde.org |
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| 18:59.46 | Gibus_ | http://pierrot.jacob.free.fr/screen.png |
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| 19:00.06 | Gibus_ | the name of the wallpaper is mountain view . svg |
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| 19:00.41 | bsdfox__ | does kmail have spellcheck support? |
| 19:00.45 | thiago | yes |
| 19:00.48 | thiago | it has had that for a few years |
| 19:01.00 | annma | Gibus_: $HOME/dualwallpapers/42308-moutain_view2.svg <- that one then?* |
| 19:01.16 | Gibus_ | yes annma ! |
| 19:02.09 | Gibus_ | what happens if i delete kdesktoprc in .kde/share/config ? |
| 19:02.28 | Alethes | you hose everything in one fell swoop :) |
| 19:02.29 | wolsni | you lose your desktop settings |
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| 19:02.30 | Alethes | ok, I'm kidding |
| 19:02.45 | Gibus_ | wolsni: and another one is created ? |
| 19:02.52 | wolsni | should be |
| 19:03.10 | Gibus_ | it may solve my problem then |
| 19:03.14 | annma | Gibus_: mv .kde/share/config/kdesktoprc .kde/share/config/kdesktoprc.bak |
| 19:03.20 | annma | that's a backup |
| 19:03.24 | Gibus_ | yes, thanks |
| 19:03.39 | wolsni | next time you save settings or start kdesktop I expect |
| 19:04.12 | annma | in konsole, do: echo $HOME Gibus_ |
| 19:04.16 | annma | paste output |
| 19:04.42 | Gibus_ | it gives: /home/pierrot |
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| 19:05.12 | Gibus_ | i delete the config file and restart kde, brb |
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| 19:05.45 | annma | back it up as I said |
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| 19:05.51 | annma | bah |
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| 19:06.22 | Gibus_ | It works !!!!! allelujah, thank you very much |
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| 19:07.05 | Gibus_ | thank you annma : ) |
| 19:07.23 | annma | you're welcome |
| 19:07.37 | annma | we could have talked in French |
| 19:07.39 | annma | ;) |
| 19:08.20 | Gibus_ | indeed ^^ it may have been quicker, because of me |
| 19:08.42 | annma | you're doing well with your English |
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| 19:09.17 | Gibus_ | when i'll be geek enough I'll come back to help people with KDE |
| 19:09.32 | annma | :) |
| 19:09.36 | Gibus_ | bye |
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| 19:16.07 | smileaf | you have to be a geek to help in kde? |
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| 19:16.22 | cprgmswr2 | is hal still required for kde |
| 19:16.27 | mkya3 | how can i set up a bouncer in konversation? |
| 19:16.27 | annma | smileaf: ;) |
| 19:16.36 | smileaf | annma: are you a geek? =p |
| 19:16.50 | annma | smileaf: people would tell you no I guess |
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| 19:17.42 | smileaf | then I guess the statement is incorrect |
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| 19:19.31 | smileaf | mkya3: bouncer? |
| 19:19.37 | mkya3 | yes bnc |
| 19:20.16 | smileaf | cprgmswr2: in linux yes, I think its optional but functionality will be limited. |
| 19:20.37 | smileaf | mkya3: no idea what you mean. |
| 19:20.41 | Sho_ | mkya3: Just connect to it like to any other IRC server |
| 19:20.53 | mkya3 | ok, thx |
| 19:20.55 | cprgmswr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.55 | cprgmswr2 | <annma> smileaf: ;) |
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| 19:22.34 | bsdfox_ | thiago: where is the spellchecker button? :P |
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| 19:23.36 | dave | what source is a applet for volume control in? |
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| 19:25.32 | thiago | bsdfox_: in Tools and Options |
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| 19:26.40 | dave | control center? |
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| 19:29.13 | bsdfox_ | thiago: hmm, guess I didn;t compile support into mine :( |
| 19:29.41 | thiago | bsdfox_: you don't have that option |
| 19:29.47 | thiago | kspell is always compiled |
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| 19:30.15 | dave | i have no sound applet for the taskbar any idea why? |
| 19:31.12 | bsdfox_ | found it.. says I need to install kspell or ispell |
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| 19:32.27 | annma | dave: for kicker you mean |
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| 19:33.00 | annma | dave: no sound mixer applet? |
| 19:33.13 | dave | well i am on suse 10.0 and i don't have a volume control anywhere |
| 19:33.46 | tonito | no kde-i18n-bg |
| 19:33.49 | annma | do you have KMix in Multimedia in the K menu? |
| 19:34.08 | dave | yep |
| 19:34.54 | dave | ty annma :) |
| 19:35.04 | annma | when you right click on the panel and choose Add applet, you don't have the Sound Mixer applet? |
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| 19:35.11 | dave | nope |
| 19:35.23 | thiago | run "kmix" |
| 19:35.26 | annma | hmm, not sure in what package it is |
| 19:35.30 | dave | just did and its appeared |
| 19:35.33 | dave | wierd.... |
| 19:35.42 | annma | ah ok |
| 19:35.57 | dave | thats odd... so why wasn't it there in the first place... |
| 19:36.40 | dave | then again i am still running 3.4.2 lvl "b" its the newest for suse 10.0 |
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| 19:37.01 | annma | dave: no idea, ask in #suse maybe |
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| 19:51.11 | DaveTaylor | they never reply in that place..... |
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| 19:55.32 | bjacob | hi people! anybody knows when kde4 alpha will be released? |
| 19:55.44 | Skrot- | I've heard friday |
| 19:55.49 | bjacob | cool |
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| 19:56.02 | sparrw | is there a way to make http://*.php open in konqueror as a web page, but anyotherprotocol://*.php open in kate for editing? |
| 19:56.26 | Skrot- | Doesn't it do that already? |
| 19:56.34 | sparrw | it does not |
| 19:56.39 | opsidao | sparrw: if the remote machine has ssh you can try fish:// |
| 19:56.42 | sparrw | for me it always opens as a web page |
| 19:56.49 | sparrw | unless i tell konqueror to open it in kate |
| 19:56.54 | sparrw | in which case it NEVER opens as a web page |
| 19:57.10 | sparrw | which is annoying when im doing http:// in one konq window and sftp://->kate in another |
| 19:57.11 | pvandewyngaerde | if it has an ssh shel, you can also use sftp:// |
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| 19:57.16 | sparrw | i am using sftp:// |
| 19:57.23 | sparrw | and konqueror is rendering it as a web page |
| 19:57.34 | opsidao | mmm, how? |
| 19:57.44 | opsidao | if it's php it must be procesed to be a web |
| 19:57.55 | sparrw | php was an example |
| 19:57.58 | sparrw | i want the same for html |
| 19:58.03 | sparrw | ditto htm |
| 19:58.10 | sparrw | this one is just html |
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| 19:58.32 | bjacob | well, if you remember the keyboard shortcut for "view page source" it's no big deal |
| 19:58.40 | sparrw | bjacob: i dont want to view, i want to edit |
| 19:58.45 | sparrw | and i want to edit directly, without viewing it |
| 19:58.45 | bjacob | ah ok |
| 19:58.57 | sparrw | i can Open With, but that is annoying and tedious |
| 19:58.59 | bjacob | then why do you use konqueror ? |
| 19:59.02 | bjacob | open with kate |
| 19:59.06 | bjacob | or quanta+ |
| 19:59.10 | sparrw | open with is many extra clicks |
| 19:59.27 | bjacob | do you know than in any kde application |
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| 19:59.41 | bjacob | in file->open... you can open remote files |
| 19:59.45 | sparrw | yes |
| 20:00.00 | bjacob | ok |
| 20:00.12 | sparrw | thats how im doing it now, with the filesystem browser panel in kate |
| 20:00.26 | sparrw | but i lose a lot of the file management functions of konqueror |
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| 20:04.05 | RushPL | hm, can I change the font color in these yellow hints? |
| 20:04.32 | RushPL | I have set the Kore theme and now all the text on yellow tooltips i gray, it's barely visible. |
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| 20:10.07 | jujimufu | I have three different keyboard layouts (languages). How do I switch through them by pressing Alt+Z? (I'm on KDE) |
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| 20:12.42 | wolsni | jujimufu: in kcontrol, Regional&Accessibility->Keyboard Shortcuts->type Layout into the search box |
| 20:13.30 | wolsni | then you can set the key for 'switch to next keyboard layout' to whatever you want |
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| 20:14.35 | nik7 | hm, I'm not sure wheter it's a kde problem: using vesa driver everything is fine; but using fglrx everything is so bright...hardly can read fonts...if kde starts it's ok, but some seconds later I get this brightness... |
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| 20:16.29 | wolsni | sounds like a question for your distro channel, nik7 |
| 20:17.08 | smileaf | Or check that you've not messed with your gamma settings. |
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| 20:19.32 | smileaf | kcontrol -> peripherals -> display -> monitor gamma |
| 20:19.50 | nik7 | gamma 3.20 ...what's the default value? |
| 20:19.59 | nik7 | with 0.70 is looks normal |
| 20:20.01 | smileaf | 1 |
| 20:20.08 | smileaf | is what mine is set to anyway. |
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| 20:20.28 | thor^^ | hi |
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| 20:20.51 | thor^^ | where can i get some widgets for kasbar? |
| 20:21.47 | nik7 | hm, so why is mine 3.20? I switch back to vesa and look what it is there |
| 20:22.16 | wolsni | aww |
| 20:23.11 | nik7 | brb |
| 20:23.34 | smileaf | Mmm... if konqueror is the default browser it should check kio for a list of urls to highlight. that'd be fun. |
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| 20:23.52 | smileaf | haha |
| 20:24.03 | wolsni | so the problem is probably his high gamma, and vesa 'fixes' it because vesa doesn't support gamma, something like that? |
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| 20:24.23 | smileaf | highlight, settings:/Peripherals/Display and middle click it into konqueror |
| 20:24.58 | impiety | is there a way to turn of pointer acceleration? |
| 20:25.22 | wolsni | smileaf: that's fine for me, I was really thinking for support purposes |
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| 20:25.34 | smileaf | Open 'settings:/Peripherals/Display'? Type: Plain Text Document. Choosing Open with 'KWrite' in my case opens the dialog |
| 20:25.45 | Sembiance | Does KDE4 have a Solitaire card game that uses SVG based cards? |
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| 20:26.06 | smileaf | Sembiance: yes kpat will support svg like all other games in kde4 ;) |
| 20:26.15 | wolsni | impiety: go to settings:///Peripherals/Mouse and set the acceleration to one |
| 20:26.51 | Sembiance | smileaf: What would be the easiest way to get the latest KDE4 source code for kpat? Which tag is it part of in subversion? |
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| 20:27.08 | smileaf | Sembiance: trunk |
| 20:27.15 | smileaf | KDE/trunk/kdegames |
| 20:27.24 | smileaf | or is it trunk/KDE/ |
| 20:27.34 | smileaf | one of the 2 |
| 20:29.56 | Sembiance | smileaf: thanks :) |
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| 20:30.31 | impiety | wolsni: I've donet hat, it's still too fast |
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| 20:31.30 | bakers | audacious creates .xspf playlist files. When I double click on one it opens it in kedit (since it's plain text) how do I change that? |
| 20:31.53 | wolsni | impiety: acceleration isn't how fast the mouse moves, it's how the real motion->cursor motion ratio changes with speed |
| 20:31.56 | Sembiance | smileaf: is there a special place for KDE4 SVN? |
| 20:32.17 | smileaf | bakers: right click on the file, go to properties, and click the configure button next to the file type. |
| 20:32.26 | smileaf | Sembiance: nope |
| 20:33.08 | smileaf | Sembiance: I think the anonsvn.kde.org is still being upgraded. |
| 20:33.09 | bakers | smileaf, It pulls up the file type text/plain |
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| 20:33.18 | bakers | smileaf, with patterns *.txt and *.TXT |
| 20:33.27 | impiety | is there a way to slow how fast the cursor moves when i move my mouse? |
| 20:33.29 | smileaf | bakers: then you'd probably want to create a new file type. |
| 20:33.53 | bakers | smileaf, how does one do that? |
| 20:34.24 | smileaf | settings:/Components/ -> File Associations |
| 20:36.13 | smileaf | impiety: you might wanna ask in your distro's channel for that one if the acceleration is set as low as it can go and its still too fast. |
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| 20:36.33 | smileaf | impiety: the setting may take a X restart to apply, dunno. |
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| 20:36.50 | ata2 | hello, is there a kile expertise around? |
| 20:36.59 | smileaf | guess it doesn't... boy that's quick XD |
| 20:37.40 | wolsni | http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Setting_Mouse_Speed_Through_Command_Line |
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| 20:37.48 | impiety | k |
| 20:37.50 | bakers | smileaf, That worked... I had to reload KDE to get it to pick it up though |
| 20:37.51 | impiety | i'll have to test that |
| 20:37.51 | smileaf | ata2: ask the question and if anyone knows they'll answer. |
| 20:38.29 | smileaf | bakers: shouldn't have had to. |
| 20:38.44 | bakers | smileaf, I was refreshing and it kept saying plain text |
| 20:38.55 | smileaf | bakers: odd |
| 20:39.10 | smileaf | I've never had to restart for it to take effect |
| 20:39.14 | Sembiance | What is a good quick SVG viewer for linux? inkscape? |
| 20:39.21 | smileaf | Sembiance: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdegames/ <-- its slow but it works =) |
| 20:40.06 | smileaf | Sembiance: if your not a developer tho you might be wasting your time getting it now. |
| 20:40.24 | wolsni | konqueror can view svgs directly here |
| 20:42.28 | Sembiance | smileaf: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdegames/kpat |
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| 20:42.40 | smileaf | Sembiance: yep |
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| 20:42.56 | smileaf | Sembiance: you'll want more than just that dir tho. |
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| 20:43.26 | Sembiance | smileaf: I'm really just after the SVG card images :) |
| 20:43.34 | smileaf | lol |
| 20:43.53 | nik7 | it was the kde gamma settings...now normal :) |
| 20:43.55 | Sembiance | smileaf: thinking about making an open-source solitaire game, need really nice looking card iamges :) |
| 20:44.26 | wolsni | just make some new card games in kpat |
| 20:44.46 | wolsni | aisleriot is way ahead :P |
| 20:45.30 | smileaf | Sembiance: in that case you want a different section. |
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| 20:46.31 | smileaf | I used those cards in 1 program I wrote once.. made the mistake in playing around with it in class and finishing it became my final project :( |
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| 20:47.37 | bakers | Sembiance, someone did that already. Made some really nice SVG card images |
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| 20:48.00 | smileaf | final project was suppose to only be demoing 1 element of java's gui. |
| 20:48.06 | Sembiance | bakers: Where at? :) |
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| 20:48.19 | bakers | It's in KDE4 |
| 20:48.20 | smileaf | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdegames/libkdegames/carddecks/ <-- there they are |
| 20:48.28 | bakers | Sembiance, lemme find them |
| 20:48.31 | bakers | smileaf, or you can beat me to it |
| 20:48.32 | ata2 | is there a way of not showing the smart wordwrap indicators in kile? like when you write a loooong line and the automatic world wrap allow to display the single line on multiple lines dinamically. The annoying thing is those xxxx that appear when i indent the line, is there a way of NOT showing them? |
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| 20:49.06 | SimAtWork | wouldn't be extremely bad to not show those? |
| 20:49.17 | wolsni | I don't think that those can be disabled |
| 20:49.30 | SimAtWork | if you don't want to see those use a wordprocessor and not a text editor. |
| 20:49.44 | wolsni | not extremely bad, just misleading :) |
| 20:50.05 | SimAtWork | misleading == extremely bad in books |
| 20:50.08 | Sembiance | smileaf, bakers: thanks :) |
| 20:50.28 | wolsni | you could disable wordwrap entirely |
| 20:50.31 | Jump86 | does rms using kde or gnome? |
| 20:50.46 | smileaf | Jump86: ask him. |
| 20:50.52 | bakers | Sembiance, that svn site is WAY slow |
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| 20:51.00 | Caster | he uses console |
| 20:51.02 | wolsni | SimAtWork: Tex is not whitespace sensitive most of the time |
| 20:51.05 | bakers | Sembiance, I think these are the same: http://david.bellot.free.fr/svg-cards/ |
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| 20:55.23 | bakers | Sembiance, also:http://thehouseofcards.com/card_images.html |
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| 20:58.30 | Lanken | SimAtWork: for the one instance (that I've dealt with) in which whitespace matters, you can use \noindent |
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| 20:58.54 | Sembiance | bakers: thanks :) |
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| 20:59.24 | wolsni | Lanken: actually, I was talking about \verb+stuff+ |
| 21:00.22 | Lanken | I've never used \verb |
| 21:00.32 | Lanken | I'm not even sure you're talking about TeX. |
| 21:00.44 | Lanken | (which would mean I was offtopic) |
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| 21:01.27 | wolsni | um, wouldn't talking about TeX here be off topic? |
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| 21:02.50 | pinotree | of course it is |
| 21:03.27 | wolsni | KDE is great! |
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| 21:06.10 | Lanken | wolsni: eh, I love it but I wish all the bugs were gone. |
| 21:06.41 | wolsni | Lanken: get out your kdevelop then |
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| 21:13.43 | wolsni | phlux: just ask |
| 21:14.21 | phlux | okay...for some reason, k9copy won't copy this specific DVD..it spits out an error about DVDAuthor failed because there was no such file or directory |
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| 21:23.11 | ata2 | is there a way of not showing the smart wordwrap indicators in kile? like when you write a loooong line and the automatic world wrap allow to display the single line on multiple lines dinamically. The annoying thing is those xxxx that appear when i indent the line, is there a way of NOT showing them? |
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| 21:23.48 | wolsni | ata2: you've already got an answer |
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| 21:32.51 | alkos333 | I'm trying to rip an audio CD with k3b. I selected "Rip Audio CD", a prompt came up to insert the CD, I did, it found it, I pressed ok. Where are the ripped tracks? My tmp is set to /tmp/kde-me/, but there is nothing in there. |
| 21:32.58 | ata2 | wolsni: i like world wrap |
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| 21:33.03 | ata2 | is just that those xxx are annoying |
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| 21:33.21 | ata2 | cause they make it hard to read through long sections, which i subdivide by indenting |
| 21:33.38 | wolsni | ata2: post a feature request on bugs.kde.org |
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| 21:47.16 | eNTi | hi. could someone please help me with some fish/ftp errors i'm getting? http://pastebin.ca/469745 -> the two ASSERT blocks are from trying to connect to an ssh server via fish two times the others appear if i use ftp. fish won't work but the ftp connection works, even though it takes quite some time to establish the connection. |
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| 21:49.13 | AmyRose | eNTi: What you pasted doesn't seem to have anything at all to do with the problem you're experiencing. |
| 21:49.28 | AmyRose | except for the first line |
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| 21:49.42 | AmyRose | and line 6 |
| 21:49.56 | AmyRose | The rest of it is just graphical stuff |
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| 21:50.11 | AmyRose | eNTi: What version of KDE are you using and what distro? |
| 21:50.39 | eNTi | gentoo monolithic kde 3.5.6 on amd64 |
| 21:50.48 | eNTi | uhm |
| 21:50.55 | eNTi | sorry. it's not monolithic :) |
| 21:51.55 | eNTi | where can i look that up? google? :) |
| 21:52.18 | wolsni | man:signal |
| 21:52.25 | eNTi | ahaha -> google: Did you mean: protocol = fish pie = 25687 signal = 29 |
| 21:52.42 | eNTi | ah ok |
| 21:53.04 | AmyRose | Whoa... |
| 21:53.08 | AmyRose | yeah, eNTi |
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| 21:53.15 | AmyRose | signal 29 has many possible meanings |
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| 21:53.32 | AmyRose | SIGPROF 27,27,29 Term Profiling timer expired |
| 21:53.38 | kdepepo | hi |
| 21:53.47 | wolsni | those appear to apply to different operating systems though |
| 21:53.52 | AmyRose | SIGIO 23,29,22 Term I/O now possible (4.2BSD) |
| 21:53.55 | AmyRose | SIGPWR 29,30,19 Term Power failure (System V) |
| 21:53.57 | AmyRose | SIGINFO 29,-,- A synonym for SIGPWR |
| 21:54.07 | AmyRose | Well, which one applies to us? |
| 21:54.18 | AmyRose | I'm looking at the "signal(7)" manpage |
| 21:55.07 | wolsni | well, gentoo is linux, not BSD or System V |
| 21:55.21 | wolsni | so the first one seems most likely |
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| 21:55.49 | AmyRose | thanks for clearing that up because I'm lost when it comes to programming |
| 21:56.29 | eNTi | was that ironic? |
| 21:56.35 | XVampireX | AmyRose: ? |
| 21:56.43 | XVampireX | You never sent me the pics :D |
| 21:56.43 | wolsni | although a profiling timer seems irrelevant to this situation |
| 21:56.45 | eNTi | erm more like sarcastic |
| 21:56.47 | canllaith | wow, SIGPWR ? |
| 21:57.37 | AmyRose | 29 could also mean SIGLOST |
| 21:57.43 | AmyRose | according to the manpage |
| 21:57.56 | wolsni | eNTi: any chance you got a KCrash dialog with a stack trace? |
| 21:58.17 | eNTi | wolsni, no. just pasted from .xsession-errors |
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| 21:58.29 | XVampireX | 29 is SIGIO |
| 21:59.35 | eNTi | well... they won't appear anywhere else :) |
| 22:00.04 | XVampireX | Thank you for ignoring |
| 22:00.10 | XVampireX | I'm pleased to meet you too |
| 22:00.14 | eNTi | :) |
| 22:00.23 | eNTi | thx XVampireX |
| 22:00.30 | XVampireX | How are you? |
| 22:00.33 | eNTi | what does that mean? |
| 22:00.33 | wolsni | XVampireX: if you are going to help, help |
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| 22:00.40 | XVampireX | What was the problem? |
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| 22:00.43 | AmyRose | Oh, sorry, XVampireX, I got sidetracked helping someone with KDE this morning and forgot to give you the links to my screen shots! |
| 22:01.15 | eNTi | XVampireX, my problem is, that fish crashes |
| 22:01.19 | nick01 | any way to make the links in mails in kmail open in tabs rather than new windows ? |
| 22:01.23 | eNTi | http://pastebin.ca/469745 |
| 22:01.29 | XVampireX | Oh regarding the ssh session, sorry, never used an ssh server |
| 22:01.55 | AmyRose | eNTi: Why aren't you using sftp:// instead? |
| 22:02.01 | AmyRose | fish is slow |
| 22:02.07 | wolsni | nick01: only if you set konqueror to do that for all external links |
| 22:02.16 | eNTi | uhm... |
| 22:02.20 | XVampireX | eNTi: It's crashing because of your icon theme or style I think |
| 22:02.37 | AmyRose | XVampireX: But why would that crash a kioslave? |
| 22:02.39 | eNTi | XVampireX, hmm... that might be just about right. i got lots of troubles with themes lateley |
| 22:02.43 | nick01 | wolsni: hmm ok- any idea where is that configured ? |
| 22:03.06 | XVampireX | AmyRose: some time ago I had problems with a theme too, it was crashing alot of different widgets here |
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| 22:03.36 | XVampireX | eNTi: Probably trying to look up some icon or widget but not being able to find anything |
| 22:03.42 | nick01 | wolsni: nvm found it :) |
| 22:03.47 | XVampireX | or loading some bugged one |
| 22:03.59 | eNTi | XVampireX, kk, i'll try another theme or something |
| 22:04.05 | XVampireX | eNTi: Try that, yeah. |
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| 22:05.45 | Jump86 | i need help.. i installed kde-desktop on my ubuntu PC and now i can't change the screen res unless i boot under gnome... why doesnt my xorg.conf carry over? and why can't I pick another resolution? it's available as an option but when it changes, nothing happens |
| 22:05.56 | XVampireX | Jump86: kubuntu-desktop is better. |
| 22:05.58 | Jump86 | sorry thats what i meant |
| 22:06.07 | XVampireX | Jump86: the resolution depends on the xorg server |
| 22:06.22 | Jump86 | im using the same one for kde and gnome |
| 22:06.22 | XVampireX | has little to do with the desktop enviornment. |
| 22:06.33 | Jump86 | right this is why it doesnt make sense to me |
| 22:06.41 | XVampireX | try xrandr -s number |
| 22:06.52 | AmyRose | Jump86: I also HIGHLY recommend the "kde" package too because it completes the KDE installation :) |
| 22:06.54 | wolsni | but if Gnome can change it KDE should be able to as well |
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| 22:07.11 | XVampireX | Jump86: Where do you try to change the resolution? |
| 22:07.22 | Jump86 | it works fine on my laptop (both upgraded in the same way) |
| 22:07.33 | Jump86 | i cant remember.. somewhere in the options |
| 22:07.38 | DawnLight | what to use for remote desktop control? |
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| 22:07.58 | Jump86 | it was a slider thing though, not a drop box like gnome |
| 22:07.59 | wolsni | DawnLight: krdc ? |
| 22:08.27 | DawnLight | wolsni takes the flag |
| 22:08.59 | XVampireX | Jump86: maybe it's a kubuntu bug too, I can't change the resolution via kcontrol - peripherals - display |
| 22:09.03 | Jump86 | im going to boot up that PC again and give it a shot |
| 22:09.17 | Jump86 | XVampireX, whats the other way to change it? |
| 22:09.26 | XVampireX | xrandr :P |
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| 22:09.37 | XVampireX | there's the kxrandr app too |
| 22:09.51 | wolsni | krandrtray |
| 22:09.54 | Jump86 | hmm ok ill try it |
| 22:10.00 | XVampireX | yeah, what wolsno said |
| 22:10.08 | Jump86 | what would i type to make it 1600 1200 |
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| 22:10.53 | wolsni | Jump86: xrandr by itself lists available resolutions |
| 22:10.59 | XVampireX | yup |
| 22:11.07 | Jump86 | k thanks |
| 22:11.21 | wolsni | and then xrandr -s <size #> to set it |
| 22:11.29 | XVampireX | Yeah like I said :D |
| 22:11.48 | Jump86 | also i noticed sometimes it loads both gnome AND kde stuff |
| 22:11.49 | XVampireX | wolsni: Thanks for repeating what I said. |
| 22:12.09 | Jump86 | like the gnome bars on top of the KDE one |
| 22:12.16 | Jump86 | its very wierd |
| 22:12.17 | wolsni | just returning the favor, XVampireX |
| 22:12.36 | XVampireX | haha |
| 22:13.35 | AmyRose | Jump86: That often happens if you don't force it to use a particular desktop and leave the session type set to "Default" |
| 22:13.46 | AmyRose | Jump86: Try forcing it to KDE before you log in :D |
| 22:14.15 | XVampireX | kdm |
| 22:14.44 | Jump86 | also why does adept update show as an open window instead of a systray icon |
| 22:14.45 | DawnLight | and what to use as a server for krdc? |
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| 22:14.51 | Jump86 | i cant even close it |
| 22:14.59 | Jump86 | i think maybe its an avant window navigator glitch |
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| 22:15.24 | wolsni | DawnLight: any VNC or RDP server should do it |
| 22:15.43 | DawnLight | any kde one? |
| 22:15.51 | wolsni | DawnLight: you should already have krfb |
| 22:16.20 | JohnFlux | DawnLight: most distros you can click on the K then internet sharing then share desktop |
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| 22:16.22 | JohnFlux | DawnLight: most distros you can click on the K then internet then share desktop |
| 22:16.28 | AmyRose | Just run x11vnc :D |
| 22:16.42 | DawnLight | debian here |
| 22:16.50 | DawnLight | nothing like that |
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| 22:17.30 | jazbo2185 | Is there any way I can make it so when I click an .iso in konqueror it mounts it and opens up so I can browse? |
| 22:17.42 | thor^^ | can i use 3.4.x skins on 3.5? |
| 22:17.47 | thor^^ | without any troubles |
| 22:17.49 | wolsni | JohnFlux: it's not K-> system -> Desktop Sharing ? |
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| 22:18.02 | JohnFlux | wolsni: right that |
| 22:18.08 | wolsni | jazbo2185: install krusader, it does that |
| 22:18.15 | JohnFlux | wolsni: on mine it's under internet :-) |
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| 22:18.39 | jazbo2185 | wolsni: thanks! |
| 22:18.41 | wolsni | i don't know of a way to make konqueror do it |
| 22:18.42 | DawnLight | oh, there's a control center extension for this purpose. great! |
| 22:19.10 | DawnLight | don't we all just love GUIs? |
| 22:19.18 | thor^^ | not at all :p |
| 22:19.24 | DawnLight | haha |
| 22:19.36 | thor^^ | i doubt you would be here if you hate gui :p |
| 22:19.54 | DawnLight | kdegui |
| 22:19.55 | XVampireX | krusader is neat |
| 22:20.18 | DawnLight | i remember something called "norton commander" |
| 22:20.20 | XVampireX | plasma |
| 22:20.26 | XVampireX | total commander |
| 22:20.40 | AmyRose | thor^^: I get sick of the idiots who flame me for being crazy enough to use KDE on both my new laptop and my old Pentium II :P |
| 22:21.01 | AmyRose | It's like you're not 1337 enough unless you do everything from a single XTerm in FluxBox |
| 22:21.05 | Jump86 | why would that be weird? |
| 22:21.07 | DawnLight | for being too heavy? |
| 22:21.08 | XVampireX | you are crazy because you use KDE on your new laptop and your old p2 |
| 22:21.16 | AmyRose | XVampireX: :P |
| 22:21.21 | AmyRose | XVampireX: Nice try :P |
| 22:21.32 | XVampireX | haha |
| 22:21.37 | thor^^ | hehe AmyRose :) |
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| 22:21.50 | thor^^ | personally, i work best by using both := |
| 22:21.53 | thor^^ | *:) |
| 22:22.05 | AmyRose | Yeah, I use Konsole and GUI apps side by side myself too |
| 22:22.29 | AmyRose | XTerm sucks because you can't make the cursor blink :P |
| 22:22.29 | AmyRose | (or if you can, it's really hard to) |
| 22:22.42 | DawnLight | there are some apps that just don't have guis |
| 22:22.46 | thor^^ | i preffer Yakuake(or something like that) |
| 22:23.08 | jazbo2185 | In older version of KDE i could easily have like 50 tabs open in firefox. In newer version my memory gets filled up and I start to slow down after maybe 15 tabs... :( Is it a law of software development that bloat must always increase with version number? |
| 22:23.19 | DawnLight | makes me wanna make a gui for them |
| 22:23.26 | AmyRose | jazbo2185: Use Konqueror. Firefox is what's gotten bloated, not KDE. |
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| 22:23.55 | jazbo2185 | AmyRose: hmmm I guess you could be right. I'll give that a try |
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| 22:24.39 | AmyRose | jazbo2185: Yeah... Firefox disappoints me more and more each release, yet Konqueror gets better and faster |
| 22:24.45 | DawnLight | is coding guis for kde much different from some visual basic i learned a while ago? |
| 22:25.00 | AmyRose | jazbo2185: I'd totally ditch Firefox if I didn't need it for Photobucket :/ |
| 22:25.02 | thor^^ | <3 Opera ^^ |
| 22:25.06 | JamesB192 | jazbo2185: Peoples want features without waiting for the code to be shrunk to something managable. |
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| 22:25.12 | AmyRose | thor^^: Proprietary web browsers?! |
| 22:25.25 | AmyRose | Are you NUTS?! |
| 22:25.28 | thor^^ | i like it cause i'm a patriot, and it's fast :) |
| 22:25.36 | XVampireX | What's fast? |
| 22:25.39 | thor^^ | Opera |
| 22:25.54 | Ryushin | So I've been using KDE for a few days now. I've been looking for how to make it so when you Lock a Session that it starts the screen saver instead of just a blank screen. Any idea on how to do this? |
| 22:25.57 | XVampireX | Konq can be faster than Opera |
| 22:26.07 | jazbo2185 | JamesB192: yeah true |
| 22:26.12 | DawnLight | fast to fill up your memory. just kidding i don't know it |
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| 22:26.24 | thor^^ | it can, but overall, opera is the fastest :) |
| 22:26.26 | XVampireX | Ryushin: You switch your screensavers. |
| 22:26.59 | XVampireX | I think |
| 22:27.02 | XVampireX | i never needed that |
| 22:27.25 | XVampireX | AmyRose: You promised me screenies :P |
| 22:28.57 | thor^^ | btw, yesterday i was playing around with gnome, i made a undead application :D |
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| 22:29.29 | XVampireX | undead application? |
| 22:29.31 | thor^^ | wrong chan ^^ |
| 22:29.34 | thor^^ | yea |
| 22:29.39 | thor^^ | 2 states |
| 22:29.46 | thor^^ | Live, and dead :p |
| 22:29.46 | XVampireX | What's that? |
| 22:29.53 | XVampireX | Ok |
| 22:29.58 | XVampireX | You killed an app |
| 22:30.02 | thor^^ | i had to |
| 22:30.12 | XVampireX | congrats |
| 22:30.15 | XVampireX | you won |
| 22:30.19 | thor^^ | :p |
| 22:30.35 | thor^^ | could't do the same on kde for some reason :P |
| 22:30.43 | XVampireX | haha |
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| 22:31.05 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: Any interesting themes coming to KDE near you? |
| 22:32.28 | Shirakawasuna | XVampireX: I still use domino :) |
| 22:32.40 | Shirakawasuna | occasionally qtcurve + a custom emerald theme |
| 22:32.50 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: not that kinda theme |
| 22:32.58 | XVampireX | you converted buff and gant |
| 22:33.01 | XVampireX | what's next? |
| 22:33.07 | Shirakawasuna | I might do minium if I can get permission + the time to do it |
| 22:33.11 | thor^^ | anyone know what the python headers/library package may be called? |
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| 22:33.23 | pinotree | thor^^: #yourdistro please |
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| 22:34.23 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: minium?! What's that? |
| 22:34.33 | Shirakawasuna | XVampireX: it's on the rade8 page |
| 22:34.48 | Shirakawasuna | http://rade8.deviantart.com/ |
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| 22:35.10 | XVampireX | kk, and not k |
| 22:35.22 | Ryushin | XVampireX: Thank you. I though XScreensaver carried over from enlightenment, but I see the KDE has it's own settings. Thanks much. |
| 22:35.30 | Shirakawasuna | it's shiny |
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| 22:35.57 | XVampireX | Ryushin: :) |
| 22:35.58 | Shirakawasuna | the problem with doing linux themes is that sometime classy icons clash with the crystalsvg app icons, meaning you can either leave them like that or try and make your own :) |
| 22:36.10 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: It's not all that great, but it's ok. |
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| 22:36.13 | Shirakawasuna | like konversation or ktorrent - my personal fav at the moment is bc-tango |
| 22:36.29 | XVampireX | bc tango was nice |
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| 22:36.37 | Shirakawasuna | it's been updated recently :) |
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| 22:36.45 | XVampireX | I like tango but I'm liking oxygen just as much if not more so |
| 22:36.50 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: I saw |
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| 22:37.43 | Shirakawasuna | oxygen looks very nice |
| 22:38.27 | Shirakawasuna | I'd be improving the Buuf and GANT themes a little more if I had actually gotten any feedback. Lazy kde'ers :) |
| 22:38.46 | Shirakawasuna | or possibly I covered everything, who knows |
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| 22:39.27 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: You don't want feedback |
| 22:39.53 | XVampireX | feedback means any slight criticism |
| 22:39.57 | XVampireX | you don't listen to it |
| 22:40.34 | Shirakawasuna | I got one request and did it immediately, no more :). Either people don't use the theme much, think it's fine, or don't and are just lazy |
| 22:40.52 | Shirakawasuna | I'm voting for not their style/lazy |
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| 22:42.22 | Shirakawasuna | anywho, if you have any recommendations for an icon theme I should do next I'm open to suggestions |
| 22:42.30 | Shirakawasuna | I haven't been into much theming for a year or more |
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| 22:44.14 | XVampireX | OH OH!!! Skype 1.4 alpha is out :P |
| 22:44.16 | XVampireX | with Qt4 |
| 22:44.19 | stoned | good evening people |
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| 22:44.22 | XVampireX | I'm getting it just for Qt4 |
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| 22:46.00 | kdepepo | qt4 rocks |
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| 22:46.41 | Shirakawasuna | I don't think I've used any qt4 apps yet, but I could be wrong |
| 22:47.09 | XVampireX | Yeah, Qt4 rocks |
| 22:47.34 | kdepepo | sometimes I think the only reason for the trolls to release their sources is to show them, and be proud of every single line... |
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| 22:48.01 | AlexElliott | I've tried a few, last.fm's player and the new skype beta both use Qt4 |
| 22:48.16 | AlexElliott | Ah, but skype was mentioned, I should read :p |
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| 22:49.31 | XVampireX | Yeah |
| 22:49.54 | Shirakawasuna | kde 4 looks like the best thing ever |
| 22:50.06 | Shirakawasuna | 4.0 vaguely set to release late 2007/2008 still, right? |
| 22:50.21 | Skrot- | October 2007 |
| 22:50.23 | icwiener_ | October is planned |
| 22:50.29 | Shirakawasuna | ooh, that's more specific than I remember |
| 22:50.47 | Shirakawasuna | ~6 months, woo |
| 22:51.02 | icwiener_ | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Roadmap |
| 22:51.39 | kdepepo | I don't understand the hype about kde4... I just wish it would be as good as kde3, but running with qt4. |
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| 22:52.16 | expose | where does konqi save the cache? |
| 22:52.17 | icwiener_ | The beauty I see atm is those for application developers. |
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| 22:52.54 | AlexElliott | I guess it depends on whether you're interested by phonon/plasma/strigi etc |
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| 22:53.06 | expose | ack |
| 22:53.34 | kdepepo | kde4 currently is FAR from kde3, and i really hope they dont release until it is at kde3 levels of stability and smoothness |
| 22:53.50 | Skrot- | They probably wont :) |
| 22:53.54 | pinotree | kdepepo: interesting, where are you working in kde4 atm? |
| 22:54.17 | pinotree | it seems you knows more things that who really work on it :) |
| 22:54.32 | pinotree | </sarcasm> |
| 22:54.42 | kdepepo | pinotree, not at the moment, but i tried the live dvd |
| 22:54.59 | kdepepo | i know it is alpha |
| 22:55.21 | Skrot- | The live cd is even pre-alpha afaik |
| 22:55.45 | kdepepo | i just said devs shouldnt release it just because ppl want it, but release when stable |
| 22:55.46 | Skrot- | If it was a DVD-image its way old :> |
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| 22:56.02 | pinotree | kdepepo: that's bad |
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| 22:56.44 | XVampireX | Skype 1.4 doesn't look bad :D |
| 22:56.49 | XVampireX | That's cause of Qt4 :P |
| 22:57.59 | pinotree | kdepepo: continue developing a moving target is bad as well as no developers can really port to a too moving API |
| 22:58.21 | pinotree | do you want eg amarok, k3b, etc with kde4? |
| 22:58.37 | Skrot- | who doesnt ;) |
| 22:58.37 | pinotree | then give the developers an api, a *stable* one |
| 22:59.07 | feindbild | Skrot-: me ... so their not dependent on the KDE release cycle ... |
| 22:59.38 | kdepepo | yeah, but I guess the time frame is just too small... |
| 22:59.52 | pinotree | feindbild: wrong - they are already indipendent from the kde release cycle |
| 23:00.03 | kdepepo | take the Sonnet API for example. |
| 23:00.11 | pinotree | kdepepo: it seems you have no idea about kde4 past development, really |
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| 23:00.42 | feindbild | pinotree: uhm ... thats what I meant ... if they were shipped with KDE they would be ? |
| 23:01.23 | kdepepo | yeah, it seems. |
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| 23:01.53 | pinotree | feindbild: with "with kde4" i meant "working as kde4 applications" |
| 23:02.09 | feindbild | k ^^ |
| 23:02.17 | ryanakca | Any PyQt4 people looking for a project? |
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| 23:03.04 | pinotree | kdepepo: i'm curious to hear your "sonnet api" example, could you go on? |
| 23:03.48 | kdepepo | which application in kde4 makes use of sonnet? |
| 23:04.07 | pinotree | the KTextEdit class? |
| 23:05.11 | kdepepo | so where is the api in ktxtedit to specify language/context of the content? |
| 23:05.58 | pinotree | nowhere, as KTextEdit is just a QTextEdit with KDE settings and standards |
| 23:06.27 | pinotree | meant to be have an *easy* spellchecker |
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| 23:07.07 | pinotree | are you going to integrate sonnet through kde? |
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| 23:07.29 | kdepepo | so kde4 introduces apis that are not tested by applications |
| 23:07.51 | Skrot- | kdepepo: Ever heard of unit testing? |
| 23:07.52 | pinotree | wrong |
| 23:08.01 | Lunar_Lamp | In 'session manager' context, when I select "offer shutdown options"; I get no options to do anything other than logout... what's going on? |
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| 23:08.24 | kdepepo | i ment usability tests, not conformance tests. |
| 23:08.35 | pinotree | nonsense |
| 23:08.36 | Skrot- | How do you usability test a lib? |
| 23:08.46 | pinotree | what's the relation between an API and usability? |
| 23:09.13 | feindbild | Skrot-: you rip out all docs and let somebody see if he can still use it ? *g* |
| 23:09.16 | wolsni | kdepepo: how are they supposed to test for usability before release anyway? |
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| 23:09.38 | pinotree | wolsni: that will done soon |
| 23:09.40 | pinotree | +be |
| 23:09.40 | kdepepo | app devs can say "hey, this api is good, but it needs this or that change to be useful for my app" |
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| 23:09.46 | Skrot- | Btw, kdepepo, there will be usability testing: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Roadmap#Milestone:_New_Application_Freeze_and_Usability_and_Accessibility_Review |
| 23:10.07 | kdepepo | usability for devs, not users. |
| 23:10.24 | pinotree | kdepepo: sigh, it seems you ignore me... i already said that for people *USE* an API, they *NEED* to have a *STABLE* and released API |
| 23:10.28 | wolsni | well, I guess I was thinking of a survey |
| 23:10.29 | Skrot- | Man, whats with the negativity? :) |
| 23:10.33 | pinotree | kdepepo: usability for devs is nonsense |
| 23:10.55 | XVampireX | KDE4 for the win |
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| 23:11.21 | Lunar_Lamp | Sorry for the repeat, but in 'session manager' context, when I select "offer shutdown options"; I get no options to do anything other than logout... what's going on? |
| 23:11.23 | pinotree | kdepepo: let's start from the basics: do you know how the applications are developed? |
| 23:11.44 | pinotree | Lunar_Lamp: which login manager are you using? kdm? gdm? else? |
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| 23:12.17 | pinotree | Lunar_Lamp: and be patient, repeating every 4 minutes can be a real PITA sometimes |
| 23:12.25 | Lunar_Lamp | pinotree, kdm, but surely the login manager shouldn't have an impact here? I'm trying to turn off from within kde. |
| 23:12.27 | kdepepo | yes, you first have to decide which toolkit you use ;) |
| 23:12.51 | pinotree | and? (getting curious) |
| 23:12.58 | wolsni | kdepepo: is that all you know about development? |
| 23:13.06 | pinotree | Lunar_Lamp: the login manager actually do have importance here |
| 23:13.24 | pinotree | but i can't help with kdm, as i don't use it, sorry |
| 23:13.42 | Lunar_Lamp | pinotree, ok, I'll dig around a bit then, I think I might have some ideas on issues. |
| 23:13.45 | wolsni | Lunar_Lamp: pino knows what he's talking about |
| 23:14.14 | Lunar_Lamp | wolsni, I get that impression, but *i* didn't, so there was a very real danger that he may have misunderstood me ;-) |
| 23:14.40 | expose | why wont avimerge -o all.avi -i 1.avi 2.avi make one valid avi file? sound works, but video consists of colored stripes only |
| 23:14.44 | expose | erm. sorry. |
| 23:14.48 | pinotree | Lunar_Lamp: fyi, the login manager is what usually (not always) starts a session, and what is responsible for cleaning up the X environment after the end of the session |
| 23:14.52 | expose | "where does konqi save the cache?" was what i wanted to ask |
| 23:14.58 | kdepepo | I do understand your point. but kde4 is a rather big api change, without enough time for app devs to test it and suggest changes. |
| 23:15.21 | Lunar_Lamp | Ah, I didn't realise it was responsible for X session cleanup, I just assumed it was a manager for logins. |
| 23:15.45 | wolsni | kdepepo: app devs are already providing feedback, I believe |
| 23:15.53 | Jump86 | wow the del.icio.us window for konqueror is just sad |
| 23:15.54 | pinotree | kdepepo: personal suggestion: before speaking about "API", "testing", "time of development" and so on, can you please get a lot more of information? |
| 23:16.20 | kdepepo | excuse my slow typing, am at a tablet PC. |
| 23:16.20 | Jump86 | what a slow useless piece of crap compared to firefox |
| 23:16.21 | benJIman | kdepepo: They've been there for app devs to test for months |
| 23:16.26 | pinotree | you're basically talking about things you don't even know about |
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| 23:16.42 | pinotree | sorry for the rawness, but that's my POV |
| 23:17.10 | kdepepo | will see how long until next api change :) |
| 23:17.11 | pinotree | Jump86: want to be involved in kde? join its development and improve it! ;) |
| 23:17.25 | Jejem | pinotree: development is not the only part of KDE :) |
| 23:17.33 | Jejem | there are so many other things to do :) |
| 23:17.40 | Skrot- | Thats what happends when ordinary users (myself included) try the product pre-alpha :> |
| 23:17.42 | pinotree | kdepepo: will see how long will you speak about things you don't even know? |
| 23:17.56 | pinotree | please, stop that |
| 23:18.14 | wolsni | Jejem: but Jump86 was just complaining about something that requires development to address |
| 23:18.25 | Jejem | okip |
| 23:20.10 | Jump86 | the only way i can contribute to kde is to bitch about things =) |
| 23:20.26 | kdepepo | look at the troll labs about the qgv... just released, and people see its design flaws. |
| 23:20.45 | Skrot- | No, people request another feature |
| 23:20.52 | Jejem | troll inside ;) |
| 23:20.56 | wolsni | Jump86: at least formalize your complaints at bugs.kde.org :) |
| 23:20.59 | kdepepo | but they cant change the api till qt5 |
| 23:21.05 | Skrot- | lol |
| 23:21.09 | Jump86 | wolsni, ya not a bad idea |
| 23:21.23 | Jejem | trolling is like life :) |
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| 23:21.59 | pinotree | kdepepo: and again, you seem to completely have NO idea about development |
| 23:22.17 | Jejem | lol |
| 23:22.21 | Jejem | pinotree: that's said ;) |
| 23:22.22 | Jejem | lol |
| 23:22.23 | kdepepo | and qt4 api is Small compared to kde4 api. |
| 23:22.43 | pinotree | and pig flies? </sarcasm> |
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| 23:23.13 | Jejem | kdepepo: you are like the starting H in Hawaii |
| 23:23.26 | Jejem | pinotree: how are you ? |
| 23:23.51 | wolsni | kdepepo: how much development experience do you have, out of curiosity? |
| 23:24.14 | Jejem | wolsni: he have two days in javascript dev XD |
| 23:24.16 | Jejem | lol~ |
| 23:24.56 | kdepepo | as in number of lines coded? |
| 23:25.04 | Skrot- | wtf |
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| 23:25.17 | Jejem | kdepepo: as a year-length ? |
| 23:25.23 | wolsni | however you want to measure it |
| 23:25.24 | Jejem | or some project names you've done ? |
| 23:25.35 | Jejem | wolsni: 10.000 bad lines are useless |
| 23:25.44 | Jejem | 100 nice lines are useful |
| 23:26.03 | Jejem | kdepepo: in years? |
| 23:26.05 | Jejem | languages ? |
| 23:26.10 | Jejem | ~ |
| 23:26.31 | kdepepo | well, i started writing basic as a 10yo, learned 68k assembler with 12, C with 14, C++ with 15. |
| 23:26.40 | kdepepo | now i am 35. |
| 23:26.52 | Jejem | so, 20 years of C++ experience ? |
| 23:27.20 | Jejem | assembler & C at 12/14 ... umm |
| 23:27.21 | kdepepo | not every day |
| 23:27.26 | wolsni | and how much 'real' (desktop application) experience? |
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| 23:28.29 | Jejem | kdepepo: what have you done of your knowledges in 20 years? :) |
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| 23:28.53 | kdepepo | if you call the amiga os a desktop too, then since 20 years :) |
| 23:29.16 | Jejem | you said C++ since 20 years, so ? :) |
| 23:29.23 | Jejem | what have you done with it ? |
| 23:29.33 | Jejem | show us ? :) |
| 23:30.01 | knapper | !pastebin |
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| 23:30.11 | Jejem | !pastebin |
| 23:30.11 | Jejem | ? |
| 23:30.18 | Jejem | nothing happens.~ |
| 23:30.26 | wolsni | knapper: apt doesn't talk anymore |
| 23:30.29 | knapper | I was trying to find the url |
| 23:30.32 | knapper | O_o |
| 23:30.35 | knapper | to lazy to open a browser |
| 23:30.42 | kdepepo | uh, there is nothing on this tablet pc |
| 23:30.49 | wolsni | rafb.net/paste |
| 23:30.50 | pinotree | knapper: what are you looking for? aren't you able to *read* the topic^ |
| 23:30.52 | pinotree | ? |
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| 23:31.08 | Jejem | kdepepo: just tell us some project names you were involved in ? |
| 23:31.10 | knapper | oh heck |
| 23:31.11 | knapper | haha |
| 23:31.30 | kdepepo | on the amiga? |
| 23:31.37 | Jejem | kdepepo: on everything... |
| 23:31.45 | Jejem | just tell us what you've done in your life :) |
| 23:32.02 | Skrot- | Isn't this becoming way too off-topic already? :> |
| 23:32.14 | wolsni | kdepepo: anything that qualifies you to criticize the KDE development process |
| 23:33.04 | feindbild | would it be possible to create something like the svn annotation view from netbeans with QT4? -> http://picasaweb.google.com/rc.poison/SVNAnnotationsNetbeans |
| 23:34.13 | Skrot- | Is that revision and user on the left side? |
| 23:34.23 | Jejem | i think, yes |
| 23:34.26 | feindbild | Skrot-: yes |
| 23:34.57 | Skrot- | Should be possible |
| 23:37.28 | kdepepo | all my "kde-related" projects: Kino (a home theater app), MathMate (a math program, as you guessed), several small tools for image processing, Bariton (an AI tool), Juice (Usenet internet download tool), and prolly more |
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| 23:39.01 | Skrot- | Where can I find kino? |
| 23:39.20 | kdepepo | neither is released |
| 23:39.30 | Skrot- | doh.. what sort of htpc app is it? |
| 23:39.35 | kdepepo | (nor ready) |
| 23:39.40 | Skrot- | I've been playing with the idea myself |
| 23:39.42 | Jejem | lol |
| 23:39.51 | Jejem | http://linuxfr.org/2007/03/20/22247.html |
| 23:39.53 | Jejem | (french) |
| 23:40.10 | Jejem | http://www.kinodv.org/article/static/1 |
| 23:40.12 | Jejem | (official site) |
| 23:40.16 | Skrot- | I don't think thats it :> |
| 23:40.18 | Jejem | Latest Release |
| 23:40.19 | Jejem | kino-1.0.0.tar.gz released March 12, 2007 |
| 23:41.00 | kdepepo | i just wrote it because i hated that mplayer has no full control over color and brigthness gamma, and wasnt aware of my beamers pecularities |
| 23:41.13 | Jejem | kdepepo: your name ? :) |
| 23:41.42 | Skrot- | Ah, I was thinking of writing one more like MythTV and Freevo, just more focused on video and music rather than television |
| 23:41.54 | kdepepo | I am NOT talking about kino, the gnome DV tool |
| 23:42.11 | Jejem | two softs called "Kino" ? |
| 23:42.14 | Jejem | stupid idea ... |
| 23:42.19 | kdepepo | Kino is focussed on giving the max image quality |
| 23:42.27 | Skrot- | okay :) |
| 23:43.01 | kdepepo | well, i guess there are at least 100 programs called kino. |
| 23:43.38 | Jejem | goin' to bed. |
| 23:43.38 | Jejem | bye |
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| 23:44.11 | kdepepo | Kino also has a dvd database and a dvb sat channel selector, which i never actually used because tv sucks |
| 23:44.40 | Jejem | lol |
| 23:44.42 | kdepepo | 20 mins battery left |
| 23:44.47 | Jejem | everything sucks with you :) |
| 23:45.28 | kdepepo | well, in germany you cant see a movie without 100 commercials |
| 23:45.51 | kdepepo | yeah, life sucks ;) |
| 23:46.19 | Jejem | if you think so... |
| 23:46.29 | Jejem | maybe it's not "life" |
| 23:46.32 | Jejem | but "your" life ? |
| 23:46.54 | kdepepo | hehe, maybe ,) |
| 23:47.26 | kdepepo | oh, i actually have one program on this tablet |
| 23:47.47 | wolsni | only one? |
| 23:47.54 | kdepepo | a quick hack i wrote for my brother |
| 23:48.00 | wolsni | must be emacs |
| 23:48.03 | Jejem | wolsni: one soft in 20 years :) |
| 23:48.10 | wolsni | oh, you mean that you wrote |
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| 23:48.59 | kdepepo | yeah, because i dont program on THIS computer, it is just a keyboardless tablet pc |
| 23:49.29 | kdepepo | but i copied it here because my brother wanted it |
| 23:50.23 | kdepepo | it is a geometry/gamma ramp/contrast tester |
| 23:50.55 | kdepepo | nothing extra ordinary... a 1 hour hack |
| 23:51.32 | wolsni | win32 or Javascript or ? |
| 23:51.55 | Jejem | wolsni: you're loosing your time |
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| 23:51.58 | Skrot- | god.. lets just lay this whole discussion dead |
| 23:52.07 | kdepepo | c++/qt3 |
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| 23:52.16 | wolsni | mkay |
| 23:52.18 | XVampireX | Is khtml using parts of Qt for rendering or is it something completely different? |
| 23:52.20 | wolsni | fantastic |
| 23:54.38 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: Do you know if the new version of BC Tango got anything noticably differently? |
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| 23:57.49 | eegore | I get an error when trying to configure ktorrent for make |
| 23:58.08 | eegore | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 23:58.49 | Jejem | damned :o |
| 23:58.52 | Jejem | must leave, bye |
| 23:58.53 | wolsni | so ask in your distro channel for the name of the X development libs and install the package |
| 23:59.02 | wolsni | eegore: ^^ |
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