| 00:00.34 | kdepepo | 10 mins battery left, so i am off... sorry for the heat, take it easy, just dont let time create pressure. coding is an art, and good art needs all the time it can get. cu |
| 00:02.29 | Shirakawasuna | XVampireX: more icons - ktorrent and such |
| 00:02.49 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: Alot more icons? |
| 00:03.00 | Shirakawasuna | XVampireX: I also recommended/helped with icons like the konversation notification icon and kmail |
| 00:03.17 | Shirakawasuna | the only icon that's the default on my kicker bar atm is vlc |
| 00:03.42 | Shirakawasuna | in other words most apps are covered |
| 00:03.50 | Shirakawasuna | ok, off to work |
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| 00:11.51 | eegore | Is there a package name for the KDE headers? |
| 00:12.47 | Skrot- | Which distro? |
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| 00:12.59 | wolsni | eegore: that's a distro question |
| 00:13.38 | Skrot- | kdelibs4-dev if you're on a debian based distro (like kubuntu) |
| 00:15.55 | Jump86 | what distro are you all using? |
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| 00:16.21 | wolsni | Fedora 6 here |
| 00:16.22 | feindbild | slackware -current |
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| 00:24.25 | eegore | It turns out I am compiling a lot of dependencies to fix this bug |
| 00:36.34 | twiggz | :| |
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| 00:43.04 | chealer | Jump86: we're using a lot of distros... |
| 00:43.18 | luca | hi |
| 00:43.24 | luca | soy luca |
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| 00:47.44 | DawnLight | is there a client for a dynamic dns forwarding service? |
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| 01:32.48 | PiterPunk | wow! much ppl... |
| 01:34.13 | AmyRose | I don't know why, but for some reason, the server flooded me with the ban list for some channel I wasn't even on |
| 01:34.24 | AmyRose | and it was looong |
| 01:35.14 | PiterPunk | I have one doubt (maybe stupid) what i need to know to wrote a new backend to "Network Configuration" in Control Center? |
| 01:35.55 | AmyRose | backend? |
| 01:36.03 | AmyRose | I thought that was handled by the OS |
| 01:36.14 | AmyRose | Do you mean frontend? |
| 01:36.51 | PiterPunk | AmyRose: Well... when i click there, it tries to detect the OS, and then shows to me one list. With no entry to slackware 11.0... |
| 01:37.36 | PiterPunk | I don't know if the window uses the native "netconfig" or try to directly access the configuration files |
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| 01:40.09 | Linux-ZiNg | can someone help me install a IBM PC Cam "webcam" |
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| 01:52.51 | AmyRose | PiterPunk: Ah. I remember when I tried slackware ending up with that same problem. It works if you pick Slackware 10 |
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| 01:53.48 | PiterPunk | AmyRose: But you know how it (the configurator) works? |
| 01:55.29 | AmyRose | PiterPunk: Sorry... I'm not a programmer. |
| 01:55.36 | AmyRose | I'm just a user. |
| 01:56.16 | twiggz | as long as i can steal and drive a porsche, i dont care how to build them... |
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| 01:57.31 | PiterPunk | AmyRose: Well... let's see if i found something -:) |
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| 02:11.01 | AmyRose | PiterPunk: Well, you know you can always get the source code to KDE. :) |
| 02:11.57 | PiterPunk | I found it! They are a serie of perl scripts |
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| 02:18.52 | SuperGuppy | i sanyone working on a KDE adapter for syncML like funambol? |
| 02:21.42 | StarScream | SuperGuppy: check out opensync. (opensync.org) they may have something. If they do there is a kde project called akonadi |
| 02:21.48 | StarScream | which uses opensync |
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| 02:46.30 | eegore | Is there such a thing as a tour for Koffice. It looks so loaded that it may need some guidence to grasp all the cool features |
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| 04:02.55 | Daemoen | hey guys, is there a way of adding a seperator to a panel? |
| 04:03.03 | Daemoen | for sorting purposes |
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| 04:18.02 | ses1959_ | yes |
| 04:23.15 | Daemoen | where? |
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| 04:32.23 | blmm | How do I do "cp -r --never-overwrite sourcedir targetdir"? (There does not seem to be such a switch.) |
| 04:37.00 | Daemoen | doing a selective recursive cp? |
| 04:40.19 | blmm | Yes... |
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| 04:41.22 | blmm | There is an option to always overwrite (-f) overwrite only older files (-u) and to ask (-i), but there does not seem to be one to never overwrite. |
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| 04:44.25 | alkos333 | Has anybody tried ripping audio CDs with k3b? |
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| 04:47.11 | thiago | blmm: try this: yes n | cp -i .... |
| 04:47.38 | blmm | thiago: Good idea! I will try. |
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| 05:10.46 | ruinevil | can you run kde 3.5.6 on qt4? |
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| 05:18.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | Is there any ideas for improving kdm |
| 05:18.27 | CPrgmSwR2 | Because I think this is one area kde lacks is its kdm |
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| 05:19.04 | grepper | I see it once a month , personally I don't care to much - but knock yourself out :) |
| 05:20.04 | nnnv | (Off Topic =]) Does anyone here use the gillette deodorant body spray? how is it? |
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| 05:21.45 | blmm | thiago: That seems to be working; I used beagle-exercise-file-system to create a tree for experiments. |
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| 06:23.33 | justwally | You need a "Strikes anywhere" match for that |
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| 06:26.10 | blmm | Thanks! I did find the answer. It is: .!(.|) * |
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| 06:49.40 | monzie | hi all |
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| 07:17.01 | artagnon | I'm having issues with not being able to switch from the KDE desktop environment. I'm a Debian GNU/Linux user and I've switched several times between fluxbox and wmii. I just wanted to try the new KDE 3.5 and I'm kind of stuck now |
| 07:19.37 | artagnon | To start X and KDE, I used the startx script. Unfortunately, I'm unable to trace where it actually calls KDE |
| 07:20.06 | annma | artagnon: you have to ask in #debian-kde |
| 07:20.16 | artagnon | okay |
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| 08:33.29 | canllaith | evening people |
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| 08:45.35 | pvandewyngaerde | i'm learning dvorak now, and the first thing i notice is keyboard shortcut keys are positioned weird, like for cut and paste, save, ... any fast/good solution ?? |
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| 08:46.16 | annma | pvandewyngaerde: you want to change your shortcuts? |
| 08:46.41 | pvandewyngaerde | i normally use X, C and S quite a lot |
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| 08:47.24 | johnny69 | How can I determine witin Kde which is being used? eth0 or eth1..or...etc. ? (kde 3.5.x/suse 10.1) Thank you. |
| 08:47.33 | johnny69 | witin = within |
| 08:47.42 | pvandewyngaerde | annma: yes, i dont find it in my kubuntu settings |
| 08:48.21 | annma | kcontrol pvandewyngaerde |
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| 08:48.57 | annma | Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts |
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| 09:44.48 | satan | hello all, i have a question |
| 09:45.16 | satan | what's the name of the app that shows the weather and other info on this guy's desktop in this pic? http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50746080/ |
| 09:45.18 | satan | thanks |
| 09:45.25 | Simeon_H | Kweather? |
| 09:45.42 | satan | ah ok got it |
| 09:45.44 | satan | thanks |
| 09:46.03 | Simeon_H | oh wait... that thing |
| 09:46.12 | Simeon_H | dunno |
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| 09:58.05 | haypo | hi! i would like to fix bugs on my Kmail. |
| 09:58.30 | haypo | someone knows an howto or tutorial for that? |
| 09:58.52 | haypo | should i recompile my Debian package? |
| 09:58.56 | haypo | or get CVS version? |
| 09:58.58 | Simeon_H | nnh noes |
| 09:59.12 | Simeon_H | I'm going to have to recompile my kernel :o |
| 09:59.54 | Novell | haypo: get it from svn |
| 10:00.20 | Simeon_H | and I don't have the faintest clue how :O |
| 10:01.22 | Novell | haypo: http://techbase.kde.org/ |
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| 10:05.48 | Shirakawasuna | Simeon_H: cd /usr/src/linux-dir && make && make modules_install - then copy things over to the correct places (/usr/src/linux-dir/arch/i386/kernel/bzImage) - I think, at least, it's actually been a while since I did my own |
| 10:06.12 | Shirakawasuna | that dir to the bzImage might be wrong, I usually did tab-completion |
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| 10:06.48 | Novell | or just use make install |
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| 10:07.10 | fred87 | arch/$arch/boot/bzImage |
| 10:07.18 | fred87 | where $arch is probably i386 or x86_64 |
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| 10:10.15 | Simeon_H | bah screw it |
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| 10:10.22 | Simeon_H | it aint worth it just for bootsplash |
| 10:13.25 | giovanni | sorry, how can i use kttsmgr with italian voice? |
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| 10:38.26 | mni | :hello annma |
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| 10:47.59 | mni | hello annma |
| 10:48.38 | annma | hi mni! |
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| 10:52.34 | mni | fine |
| 10:52.39 | mni | family? |
| 10:53.22 | mni | I hope you recieved my mail? |
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| 10:54.07 | annma | yes, sorry I did not answer yet |
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| 10:54.45 | mni | ok,thats right |
| 10:55.18 | mni | i just mailed to confirm |
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| 10:56.07 | mni | How is jucato? |
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| 10:58.39 | annma | he is fine, thanks |
| 10:58.52 | annma | you? how are you? |
| 10:59.01 | mni | i think you are busy |
| 10:59.08 | mni | i am fine |
| 10:59.29 | annma | good! |
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| 11:00.05 | mni | till i hear from you,let me allow you to concentrate on your work |
| 11:00.31 | annma | thanks mni |
| 11:00.47 | mni | thanks |
| 11:00.57 | mni | you are welcome |
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| 11:05.16 | fred87 | okie... for some reason, no app is receiving keyboard input in the title bar suddenly :| |
| 11:05.31 | fred87 | clicking elsewhere in the app (eg a textbox, or the main area of a konsole) worked yesterday |
| 11:05.34 | fred87 | any ideas? |
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| 11:17.04 | KevinVerma | can some one pls point out to me how to disable arts startup in kde3 for all users ? |
| 11:19.29 | annma | remove arts? |
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| 11:21.16 | KevinVerma | annma, that has lot of dependencies - arts is needed by lot of kde packages |
| 11:21.29 | annma | what distro? |
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| 11:21.43 | annma | you have to kill the artsd |
| 11:21.50 | KevinVerma | its a rhel system |
| 11:22.15 | annma | how come arts is starting? |
| 11:22.22 | KevinVerma | annma, right - but its simply needs to be disabled completely |
| 11:22.26 | annma | grep for artsd |
| 11:22.35 | annma | and look where it is loaded |
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| 11:22.44 | KevinVerma | /usr/bin/startkde |
| 11:22.47 | annma | no idea what rhel is |
| 11:23.00 | annma | where in that script is it used, |
| 11:23.12 | KevinVerma | annma, thats for red hat enterprise linux 3 |
| 11:23.28 | annma | and can't RedHat provide you the support? |
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| 11:23.48 | KevinVerma | annma, startkde is a bash script, it does not exactly start artsd directly |
| 11:23.50 | annma | if it's in startkde then you have to remove the line in the script |
| 11:23.55 | KevinVerma | annma, good question |
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| 11:24.15 | annma | when you grep for artsd what comes up? |
| 11:24.32 | KevinVerma | annma, its actually either kwrapper or kdeinit which does that |
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| 11:24.42 | apokryphos | hm, I wonder if openSUSE has the largest percentage of KDE users now on it |
| 11:25.02 | KevinVerma | annma, give me a min let me come back on more testing for this |
| 11:25.13 | apokryphos | funny how things turn around after a couple of years |
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| 11:25.33 | _alex | hola? |
| 11:25.59 | benJIman | apokryphos: suse has been the biggest KDE distro for years |
| 11:26.05 | benJIman | RH was always gnome. |
| 11:26.18 | apokryphos | Mandriva used to have a pretty high kde percentage |
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| 11:26.48 | KevinVerma | i'll disagree even RHEL/Fedora has got a huge number of KDE users |
| 11:27.07 | apokryphos | KevinVerma: percentage-wise to gnome though it's not that significant |
| 11:27.50 | KevinVerma | apokryphos, percentage or number matters least i believe - what matters is the users have a fair choice |
| 11:28.10 | apokryphos | bleh |
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| 11:28.59 | apokryphos | KevinVerma: personally a distro with a strong kde community/team is a big factor for me |
| 11:29.38 | KevinVerma | apokryphos, hmm thats a point |
| 11:30.27 | KevinVerma | apokryphos, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=kde&titlesearch=Titles |
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| 11:30.58 | KevinVerma | somethings are in action for a long time |
| 11:31.15 | KevinVerma | perhaps seeking more help and attention :) |
| 11:31.39 | apokryphos | that's hardly a good indication; 21 articles with a kde mention? ;) |
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| 11:31.57 | apokryphos | last time I checked fedora it was pretty swarmed by the gnome community again |
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| 11:32.04 | apokryphos | it may have changed a little though |
| 11:32.53 | KevinVerma | apokryphos, a little more or less push and pull is possible always :) |
| 11:33.18 | canllaith | hey apokryphos |
| 11:33.19 | KevinVerma | atleast there is an opportunity for KDE and lot of users too |
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| 11:34.11 | apokryphos | hi there canllaith |
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| 11:37.15 | dfeser | hi! |
| 11:37.29 | dfeser | where does kde cache display settings per user? |
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| 12:41.01 | scanf | hey dudes why would gamin suddenly crack and go for 97% of my CPU during a download? |
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| 12:42.01 | scanf | uh btw kde 3.5.3 sarge backport |
| 12:42.25 | scanf | happens about once every month or two |
| 12:42.34 | scanf | ?? |
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| 12:47.33 | Sho_ | scanf: Hm in a more modern system KDE would use inotify directly rather than go through gamin/libfam .. |
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| 12:48.24 | scanf | OK that's fine. Please what steps would one take to verify a proper configuration? |
| 12:48.50 | scanf | Sho_: How can I deactivate gamin and "use inotify directly" |
| 12:49.48 | Sho_ | You probably can't on Debian sarge due to the age of the kernel / the kernel headers / the build configuration of the KDE packages |
| 12:50.42 | scanf | OK, so are there any options at all here, or should I just keep on 'pkill gamin' until etch comes here... |
| 12:51.30 | scanf | btw, I am using 2.6.8 (not 2.4.x sarge) |
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| 12:52.08 | Sho_ | FAM is a system to watch files for modifications. Gamin is a supposedly modern drop-in replacement for FAM that simplifies the codebase and can use inotify, a fairly young kernel API to receive file system events, if available, bringing inotify support to apps that only know how to use fam. |
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| 12:52.13 | Sho_ | Gamin was created by/for Gnome, iirc |
| 12:52.35 | Sho_ | KDE can use inotify directly if available, or it can use gamin/fam |
| 12:53.15 | Sho_ | inotify came with 2.6.13 .. |
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| 12:54.38 | scanf | Sho_: OK so 2.6.8 didn't support inotify. (i don't see referances to INOTIFY in 2.6.8 kernel config) |
| 12:55.04 | Sho_ | Nope, it didn't |
| 12:55.11 | Sho_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify btw |
| 12:55.20 | scanf | Is there anything that can be done for gamin to prevent occasional binges of insanity? |
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| 12:55.35 | Sho_ | No idea, sorry - I've never really used gamin |
| 12:55.41 | scanf | .( |
| 12:55.42 | Sho_ | I've heard bad things about it in the past, though |
| 12:55.58 | scanf | yeah... lots of problem threads with no solutions |
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| 12:57.19 | Sho_ | I suppose you could go back to libfam if Debian makes that a viable option package tree-wise |
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| 12:59.08 | scanf | Sho_: I'll give it a go! |
| 13:00.13 | scanf | Sho_: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/39980 |
| 13:01.15 | scanf | we'll see... |
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| 13:02.32 | xbeanx | anyone know if kget can download from multiple servers? I mean split the file into parts to speed up download....? |
| 13:02.48 | Jejem | and what about "hi" ? :) |
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| 13:03.53 | Sho_ | xbeanx: Not in KDE3, but it has recently been implemented in the KDE4 version of KGet |
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| 13:04.49 | xbeanx | aww, I don't have that version :( |
| 13:04.49 | Sho_ | xbeanx: It now supports the "Metalink" standard |
| 13:04.50 | xbeanx | okay, thanks |
| 13:04.51 | Sho_ | 'Metalink support: the new, open standard for downloading larger files from different mirrors, or even different protocols (e.g. HTTP, FTP and BitTorrent) at the same time.' |
| 13:04.51 | mefisto | guys, question , about kde4 |
| 13:04.56 | Sho_ | xbeanx: Well, KDE4 isn't out yet :) |
| 13:05.01 | xbeanx | lols |
| 13:05.06 | mefisto | what will i get if i install snapshot on my box ? |
| 13:05.08 | xbeanx | can anyone suggest a program that can split downloads? |
| 13:05.10 | Sho_ | xbeanx: It's currently scheduled for October |
| 13:05.11 | mefisto | except contant crashes ? |
| 13:05.20 | xbeanx | I need to download a DVD ISO but can't find a server that can serv it fast to me |
| 13:05.38 | mefisto | or , is it better to stay away from kde4 for some time ? |
| 13:05.53 | Sho_ | mefisto: SuSE is making KDE4 test livecds - you could try one of those with the upcoming Alpha on it |
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| 13:06.19 | mefisto | suse .. god help us |
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| 13:07.15 | Sho_ | mefisto: Well for a livecd it doesn't matter much as long as it boots, right? :) |
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| 13:08.11 | mefisto | well .. i guess i will have to try |
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| 13:09.11 | mefisto | are there any screenshots ? |
| 13:09.43 | mefisto | because wiki has only shitty-looking-100-yearold-shot |
| 13:10.42 | Sho_ | http://dot.kde.org/ has many KDE4 articles with screenshots |
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| 13:12.55 | mefisto | k |
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| 13:13.32 | mefisto | Sho_, http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ , here are two images .. what is that 'typical desktop' |
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| 13:13.50 | mefisto | imo i never have had one |
| 13:13.56 | Sho_ | mefisto: kdebase probably |
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| 13:32.35 | David__ | Anyone available to answer some novice questions? |
| 13:33.03 | D-Fender1031 | depends how novice... |
| 13:33.10 | D-Fender1031 | i'm a novice myself |
| 13:33.14 | D-Fender1031 | so as long as you're more so than me... |
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| 13:33.35 | David__ | Well, I'm curious about KDE, and what it would take to install it. Or if it's even possible with my system. |
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| 13:34.05 | D-Fender1031 | it's possible with every system |
| 13:34.12 | D-Fender1031 | what distro? |
| 13:34.53 | David__ | (Not sure what you mean by that.) |
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| 13:35.17 | D-Fender1031 | David__, what distribution of linux are you using? |
| 13:36.14 | David__ | I don't think I'm using Linux... ( I told you... novice. heh.) I'm on a pc laptop running windows xp. |
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| 13:36.34 | PhinnFort | David__: You should wait until fall, then |
| 13:36.45 | David__ | What happens in Fall? |
| 13:36.50 | PhinnFort | David__: KDE 4 is supposed to come out late this year |
| 13:36.59 | PhinnFort | David__: and it will probably be ported to Windows |
| 13:37.11 | D-Fender1031 | PhinnFort, seriously?! |
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| 13:37.16 | David__ | Awesome. |
| 13:37.17 | D-Fender1031 | KDE for WINDOWS?! |
| 13:37.19 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: For which Windows support is (a) not a release target and (b) nobody is working on porting the workspace components |
| 13:37.23 | PhinnFort | D-Fender1031: kde-libs is already ported, afaik;) |
| 13:37.39 | D-Fender1031 | sweet |
| 13:37.49 | PhinnFort | Sho_: i saw on some blog that someone had tried all the games (more or less) |
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| 13:38.08 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Games != workspace components |
| 13:38.10 | D-Fender1031 | i'm SOOO switching to KDE on my windows boot when that happens... |
| 13:38.10 | PhinnFort | i also spotted some screenshots of someone who had gotten amarok to run (but not much more;)) on windows |
| 13:38.26 | PhinnFort | I'm SOOO not having a windows partition;) |
| 13:38.48 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: Don't misunderstand PhinnFort - there are a few people working on porting the libraries and certain applications (many will just work once the libraries are ported), nobody is working on porting KDE-the-desktop-environment |
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| 13:39.03 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: And the whole Windows porting is also not an official release target in any way |
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| 13:39.18 | PhinnFort | oh, do misunderstand me, just do it right |
| 13:39.23 | PhinnFort | :P |
| 13:39.30 | D-Fender1031 | oh |
| 13:39.33 | D-Fender1031 | meh |
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| 13:40.03 | David__ | ( Definitely need to do more reading on Wikipedia. I was under the impression that Linux and KDE were both OS's... ) |
| 13:40.17 | Sho_ | David__: You probably want to look into a newbie-friendly desktop-centric Linux distribution with strong KDE support, such as Kubuntu or Mandriva or OpenSuSE |
| 13:40.26 | D-Fender1031 | David__, no, kde is a GUI for linux |
| 13:40.32 | Sho_ | David__: No, KDE is a desktop environment for Linux/Unix operating systems |
| 13:40.43 | PhinnFort | Sho_: well, that's basically a GUI |
| 13:40.53 | PhinnFort | Graphical User Interface |
| 13:40.55 | Alethes | David__: thinks explorer to windows |
| 13:40.56 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Which I wasn't objecting to |
| 13:40.58 | Alethes | think rather |
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| 13:41.00 | David__ | ( So.. is Windows a GUI then?) |
| 13:41.08 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: I was reacting to David__, not D-Fender1031 |
| 13:41.10 | Alethes | explorer is the shell for windows |
| 13:41.12 | PhinnFort | ah, ok |
| 13:41.20 | Sho_ | David__: Windows ships its own GUI, yes |
| 13:41.26 | PhinnFort | David__: more or less, only that Windows has a Kernel (like linux too) |
| 13:41.42 | PhinnFort | David__: and most of the GUI is built into the kernel, as well |
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| 13:41.55 | D-Fender1031 | David__, windows is a complete package whereas linux/kde/other related stuff comes separately |
| 13:41.57 | PhinnFort | it's bad for security, but it works for them;) |
| 13:42.02 | Sho_ | David__: With a Linux operating system, there are multiple GUIs/desktop environments to chose from. KDE is one of them. |
| 13:42.09 | agrawal | how can i know which USB devices are connected to my computer ? |
| 13:42.12 | D-Fender1031 | PhinnFort, it's HORRIBLE for security |
| 13:42.13 | David__ | Okay. I think I understand now. |
| 13:42.15 | PhinnFort | Enlightenment is another |
| 13:42.19 | Sho_ | agrawal: run "lsusb" on a terminal |
| 13:42.24 | PhinnFort | agrawal: KInfoCenter |
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| 13:42.58 | D-Fender1031 | agrawal, Sho_, PhinnFort, i just use the media devices applet |
| 13:43.04 | agrawal | Sho_: thanks and how can i know what is the usbchip set ? |
| 13:43.06 | PhinnFort | works too;) |
| 13:43.12 | agrawal | intel or via or sis ? |
| 13:43.26 | Sho_ | agrawal: lspci should list the USB controller(s) |
| 13:43.26 | David__ | So then am I better off trying to get a blank hard drive, installing Linux, and then installing an OS rather than trying to do it on a hard drive that already has windows? |
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| 13:44.10 | Sho_ | David__: Many Linux distributions feature the ability to resize an existing Windows installation and install next to it during installation, but for the cautious, the blank-extra-hard-drive route might be a good choice |
| 13:44.21 | PhinnFort | second that;) |
| 13:44.47 | David__ | How much are hard drives these days anyway? ( God I can't wait for everything to go to flash drives. ) |
| 13:45.06 | Sho_ | Pretty cheap |
| 13:45.11 | D-Fender1031 | David__, they never will |
| 13:45.34 | PhinnFort | D-Fender1031: how? they will go to three-dimensional optical storage first? |
| 13:45.35 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 13:45.40 | D-Fender1031 | flash drives wear out after a few thousand writes |
| 13:45.40 | PhinnFort | *how so |
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| 13:45.47 | David__ | Don't be so sure.. Apple is apparently working on making a hard-drive that doesn't use the disk. |
| 13:45.59 | David__ | The Shuffle uses a flash drive. |
| 13:46.00 | D-Fender1031 | still wouldn't be flash |
| 13:46.04 | Sho_ | Apple doesn't make hard drives, they buy them from others |
| 13:46.29 | D-Fender1031 | yes, and after like 100,000 writes wears out |
| 13:46.32 | Sho_ | And the shuffle gets away with using flash memory because it has rather timid access patterns compared to a desktop operating system |
| 13:46.34 | David__ | Well, the same basic idea. A hard drive that's a computer chip and not a disk with a laser pointed at it. |
| 13:46.37 | agrawal | PhinnFort: where can i find KinfoCenter in KNoppix ? |
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| 13:46.57 | PhinnFort | agrawal: just "run command" and type in "kinfocenter2 |
| 13:46.59 | D-Fender1031 | David__, hard drives don't have lasers |
| 13:47.03 | PhinnFort | *"kinfocenter" |
| 13:47.11 | Sho_ | David__: There are first-generation solid state disks on the market, but as D-Fender1031 points out, they currently have life expectancy problems that prevent them from being ready for the mass market |
| 13:47.15 | David__ | (Showing my lack of knowledge once again.) |
| 13:47.28 | PhinnFort | Sho_: ext3cow should suit them very well, though |
| 13:47.30 | D-Fender1031 | they're magnetic |
| 13:47.43 | agrawal | PhinnFort: i tried it, it hangs, says Communicatiion problem with kinfocenter |
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| 13:47.52 | Sho_ | David__: It will be some time before SSD technology is reliable enough and the I/O sub-systems of operating systems, file system code and controller electronics are tuned to their special characteristics |
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| 13:48.02 | PhinnFort | agrawal: well, i don't use knoppix, so i really don't know;) |
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| 13:48.25 | D-Fender1031 | David__, it's okay, no matter what you do, you can't get more awkward than something i did yesterday... |
| 13:49.06 | David__ | ( What was that? ) |
| 13:49.18 | PhinnFort | you put a computer in a fridge? |
| 13:49.41 | PhinnFort | David__: hard drive prices: http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=15&name=Hard-Drives |
| 13:49.47 | David__ | Thanks Phinn. |
| 13:50.00 | PhinnFort | np |
| 13:50.00 | D-Fender1031 | well, i imed this girl who's a camper at the camp i work at, and it turned out that it was her mother using her computer... |
| 13:50.18 | PhinnFort | spawn camping? |
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| 13:50.52 | David__ | ( Okay. If I understand some of what I've been reading, GUI's are written with C++, right? ) |
| 13:50.59 | D-Fender1031 | PhinnFort, nope, just regular type |
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| 13:51.21 | PhinnFort | David__: some (most?), not all |
| 13:51.26 | Sho_ | David__: There are desktop environments written in a variety of languages, KDE happens to be written largely in C++. |
| 13:51.27 | D-Fender1031 | David__, what you have to say is important enough not to be in parenthasis |
| 13:51.32 | PhinnFort | David__: most of the Gnome desktop is written in C |
| 13:51.33 | annma | David__: yes Qt is C++ and KDE is mainly C++ while having bindings to ruby and python |
| 13:51.35 | D-Fender1031 | and |
| 13:51.38 | D-Fender1031 | not always |
| 13:51.44 | D-Fender1031 | they CAN be |
| 13:51.55 | PhinnFort | imho, they should always be;) |
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| 13:52.16 | D-Fender1031 | annma, IIRC there's a java version of QT also |
| 13:52.24 | PhinnFort | java bindings, afaik |
| 13:52.27 | David__ | Bear with me. Taking baby steps into becoming a programmer. heh. I feel more and more that it's a long road ahead. |
| 13:52.32 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 13:52.39 | D-Fender1031 | PhinnFort, they should also always be written in QT... |
| 13:52.48 | Sho_ | In QuickTime? |
| 13:52.48 | Sho_ | ;) |
| 13:52.49 | PhinnFort | ? |
| 13:52.52 | Sho_ | It's Qt *nitpick* |
| 13:52.52 | PhinnFort | :P |
| 13:52.59 | D-Fender1031 | Sho_, umm... not |
| 13:53.06 | David__ | It's rather addictive, though. I learned html and after that I was hooked. |
| 13:53.11 | D-Fender1031 | no* |
| 13:53.22 | D-Fender1031 | David__, oh yeah |
| 13:53.22 | Sho_ | HTML is not a programming language, but it's a start :) |
| 13:53.29 | PhinnFort | David__: have you looked at Python? |
| 13:53.38 | D-Fender1031 | Sho_, it's markup, but if you couple it with js |
| 13:53.44 | PhinnFort | David__: http://python.org/ |
| 13:53.52 | D-Fender1031 | throw in som PHP |
| 13:54.06 | PhinnFort | David__: it's a great programming language, very easy to learn, and still very powerfull |
| 13:54.09 | David__ | I have no. heh. I'm taking baby steps. So. Html/CSS => xHtml => php => and now I'm trying my hand at javascript. |
| 13:54.48 | D-Fender1031 | David__, js is fun |
| 13:55.01 | David__ | I learned html and css and php etc because I built a website. For the moment I can't think of what I'd even want to build with a programming language. |
| 13:55.17 | PhinnFort | Sho_: in KDE3? |
| 13:55.17 | D-Fender1031 | David__, how about some games? |
| 13:55.22 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: yup |
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| 13:55.43 | D-Fender1031 | Sho_, IIRC the stupid eyes applet was written in JS no? |
| 13:55.52 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: might be, dunno |
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| 13:56.27 | Sho_ | C++ and Python are my favourites, too |
| 13:56.45 | PhinnFort | well, i don't know c++ well enough to call it my favourite, so;) |
| 13:57.06 | D-Fender1031 | I like C++ and web programming |
| 13:57.10 | D-Fender1031 | HATE Java |
| 13:57.16 | David__ | I'd imagine, yes. Games. I'm moving to Vegas at the end of the year and I hope to start taking classes in more advanced stuff. Still not clear on what kind of career I could hope to have. I'm good at picking code up quick, but I have no artistic talent. So designing games is probably out. (Unless I just do the code environment.) |
| 13:57.18 | Jejem | PHP rocks |
| 13:57.21 | PhinnFort | well, i don't like java either |
| 13:57.41 | PhinnFort | well, i've made myself a webpage in PHP, that's about it |
| 13:57.55 | PhinnFort | i've also messed about with trying to create a drag&drop CMS |
| 13:58.05 | PhinnFort | to learn classes and stuff in PHP |
| 13:58.35 | Sho_ | OOP is not exactly one of PHP's strengths |
| 13:58.46 | PhinnFort | well, you don't say;( |
| 13:58.48 | PhinnFort | *;) |
| 13:58.59 | David__ | Is there any way to bookmark an IRC channel? |
| 13:59.05 | David__ | I have a feeling I'll want to come back here. |
| 13:59.22 | Sho_ | David__: in KDE's IRC client Konversation you can indeed bookmark IRC channels, yes |
| 13:59.23 | PhinnFort | David__: if you where on Konversation in KDE, you could hit ctrl+b |
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| 13:59.46 | PhinnFort | David__: a post-it with #kde and "irc.freenode.org" would work too |
| 14:00.01 | David__ | I'm not actually on KDE. heh. That's what drew me in here. Trying to find out how to install it. |
| 14:00.10 | David__ | I am sadly using Windows. |
| 14:00.15 | annma | choose a linux distribution |
| 14:00.15 | D-Fender1031 | David__, i have no artistic talent either, yet still managed to make some very good games... |
| 14:00.24 | David__ | You may all pity me now. |
| 14:00.27 | PhinnFort | David__: what kind of IRC client? |
| 14:00.37 | annma | David__: then your distribution will install KDE for you |
| 14:00.51 | PhinnFort | annma: he's on windows |
| 14:00.54 | David__ | ChatZilla. |
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| 14:01.10 | PhinnFort | David__: sorry, i'm not familiar with it |
| 14:01.20 | David__ | It's from Firefox. |
| 14:01.29 | annma | PhinnFort: yes but he would like to install kde he said |
| 14:01.43 | PhinnFort | David__: i think "irc://chat.freenode.net/kde" would work |
| 14:02.10 | David__ | Annma. I'm probably going to wait til I can build a desktop. I'm on a laptop right now and I probably don't have enough memory to get a Linux distro and KDE. |
| 14:02.23 | PhinnFort | David__: i'll launch firefox and have a look |
| 14:02.29 | David__ | Thanks Phinn. |
| 14:02.34 | D-Fender1031 | David__, you'd be surprised how small linuxc apps are |
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| 14:03.17 | D-Fender1031 | linux* |
| 14:03.18 | David__ | That worked Phinn. |
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| 14:03.22 | David__ | Took me right to the room. |
| 14:03.26 | PhinnFort | nice |
| 14:03.33 | PhinnFort | it was just a guess;) |
| 14:04.24 | David__ | How do I close the tab now? (It opened a second instance of the room.) |
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| 14:04.48 | David__ | Wait. |
| 14:04.50 | David__ | I think I got it. |
| 14:04.51 | David__ | Yea. |
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| 14:06.12 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 14:06.26 | David__ | So are C++, Python, Java all pretty similar in syntax to php, javascript... etc? Mostly built on if's, ands, else's..etc? |
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| 14:06.54 | PhinnFort | David__: more or less |
| 14:07.09 | hydrogen | in some form or another |
| 14:07.24 | hydrogen | unless we are talking about fromage or soemthing silly like that |
| 14:07.24 | David__ | Obviously more complicated. But I can already tell that knowing php will help me understand javascript. |
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| 14:07.35 | hydrogen | python is nothing like any of the others in syntax |
| 14:08.45 | David__ | Well, time for me to run. Thanks for the help and the info everyone. Hopefully I'll be back another time. |
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| 14:09.19 | PhinnFort | well, have fun;) |
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| 14:11.33 | JeeBee | anybody knows how to deal with those two seemlingly conflicting rpm packages? -> file /etc/kderc from install of kdebase-3.5.6-6.fc7 conflicts with file from package kde-settings-3.5-18.fc7 |
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| 14:13.02 | hydrogen | ask in #yourdistro |
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| 14:13.30 | PhinnFort | it's empty |
| 14:13.31 | PhinnFort | :D |
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| 14:15.06 | JeeBee | hydrogen: #fedora is for fc5/6, 7 is not yet stable, hoped anyone knew it here, but anyways, I'll just wait and see whether it gets solved by itself then. |
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| 14:17.54 | feklee | How can I get rid of the Google search box in Konqueror? It seems to be part of the location bar. |
| 14:18.39 | benJIman | feklee: settings -> configure toolbars |
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| 14:18.46 | benJIman | select search toolbar, remove it |
| 14:20.02 | feklee | benJIman, I removed "Search Bar" from the "Search Toolbar" but this doesn't have an effect. |
| 14:20.20 | benJIman | check the other toolbars then |
| 14:20.35 | feklee | The "Location Toolbar" only contains "Location Bar". |
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| 14:21.05 | feklee | At first sight, it seems that the Google search bar is hard coded (but there may be some hidden option). |
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| 14:22.05 | feklee | Hah! found out how to get rid of it: |
| 14:22.10 | Sho_ | feklee: Settings -> Configure Extensions |
| 14:22.12 | feklee | Disable the Google search extension. |
| 14:22.13 | Sho_ | Disable the plugin |
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| 14:40.53 | trzcionek | How can I write a session in KDE ? |
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| 14:45.33 | qsu | could somebody tell me if krdc is using the program rdesktop |
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| 14:46.52 | shadok | not _using_ but you can connect to an rdesktop server with it |
| 14:46.57 | shadok | Description: KDE remote desktop connection (RDP and VNC) client |
| 14:47.08 | chealer | qsu: it can use it or not |
| 14:47.23 | Daverocks | qsu: "The RDP implementation, which is based on an external runtime dependency on rdesktop" |
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| 14:49.20 | qsu | oke is there a way to figure out what standard flags krcd is using |
| 14:49.40 | qsu | wich it passes to rdesktop Daverocks |
| 14:49.58 | Daverocks | yeah, seems like it |
| 14:50.08 | Daverocks | that quote was from http://code.google.com/soc/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=9064143E62AF5BA6 btw |
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| 14:52.59 | qsu | thanks |
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| 14:58.50 | BlackBsd | the printer is working, and it did work for me earlier today |
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| 15:06.14 | ilker | hello everyone, i've got a simple question about ktheme-kicker, i wanna make a file ( such as http://svn.pardus.org.tr/uludag/trunk/kaptan/themes/Classic/Classic.xml ) but i couldn't find any manual about to create ktheme, are there any manuals or tutorials? |
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| 15:13.50 | ilker | hi, i am repeating my previous question... i've got a simple question about ktheme-kicker, i wanna make a file ( such as http://svn.pardus.org.tr/uludag/trunk/kaptan/themes/Classic/Classic.xml ) but i couldn't find any manual about to create ktheme, are there any manuals or tutorials? |
| 15:14.20 | PhinnFort | ilker: you want to make a widget style? |
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| 15:14.54 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Looks more like it's a themable window decoration engine |
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| 15:15.06 | PhinnFort | deKorator? |
| 15:15.13 | Sho_ | hm no |
| 15:15.18 | PhinnFort | btw, i can't seem to access slashdot now |
| 15:15.24 | Sho_ | Apparently it's sort of a KPersonalizer replacement with its own theme format |
| 15:15.28 | Sho_ | For Pardus Linux |
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| 15:15.53 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: /. loads here |
| 15:15.59 | PhinnFort | loads now |
| 15:16.05 | PhinnFort | seemed down for a couple of minutes |
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| 15:16.15 | ilker | yes, i want to make "gnome-like style" bar decoration for kaptan(pardus gnu/linux) |
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| 15:17.25 | Sho_ | ilker: Kaptan is not what you think it is, me thinks |
| 15:17.26 | Alethes | crystal is a very configurable windec, so you might wanna just use that |
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| 15:22.21 | ilker | Sho_: i know, but there is a feature request for kaptan, http://hata.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=4891 |
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| 15:22.52 | Sho_ | Ah, you mean the panel layout - yeah, that might be possible |
| 15:23.12 | ilker | yeah :) |
| 15:23.41 | ilker | Sho_: are there any tutorial/manual? |
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| 15:25.10 | Sho_ | ilker: I don't know, sorry - Kaptan is a Pardus application, it's not widely used outside of it me thinks |
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| 16:18.55 | mzanfardino | If I want a scrip to execute at login, do I merely place it in my home .kde/Autostart directory and ensure it's executable, or is there something more I need to do? |
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| 16:33.10 | Dr_willis | depends on what the script is doing.. but that should do it. |
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| 16:58.31 | atidem | ciao |
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| 17:17.57 | albreche | hi, where can i upload a file when creating a bug in kde.bugs.org? |
| 17:19.11 | Novell | albreche: create the bug and then upload the file to it |
| 17:19.32 | albreche | yes, i had created a bug, but sorry, i didn't see the form to upload |
| 17:19.45 | albreche | ok novell, i see it, |
| 17:19.48 | pinotree | albreche: attachment |
| 17:19.48 | albreche | tnx |
| 17:19.53 | albreche | tnx |
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| 17:38.10 | black_13 | does kdevelop support C# language? |
| 17:38.23 | pelandrit | hello folks |
| 17:39.15 | pinotree | black_13: #kdevelop |
| 17:39.32 | black_13 | sorry i will ask here excuse me |
| 17:39.56 | pinotree | not a problem, really |
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| 18:00.44 | thiago | alanhaggai: go to the thunderbird channel and ask there |
| 18:00.53 | thiago | we can't help you here. |
| 18:01.06 | alanhaggai | thiago: Not basically Thunderbird. But all Gnome applications. |
| 18:01.16 | Sho_ | Look into gtk-qt-engine |
| 18:01.39 | alanhaggai | Sho_: Can you please tell me how to stylise them? |
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| 18:02.20 | Sho_ | Install gtk-qt-engine, go into KControl -> Appearance -> GTK Styles and Fonts and select "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" |
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| 18:07.28 | pelandrit | the command to launch the "K menu"is: dcop kicker kicker showKMenu , but i need to create an icon to launch the "system menu", which is the command to launch that menu? |
| 18:08.19 | thiago | pelandrit: you've just said what the command is. |
| 18:08.41 | Sho_ | thiago: Not quite - he wants to exec the popup menu of the "System Menu" kicker applet |
| 18:08.53 | Sho_ | I don't think there's a DCOP call for that, though |
| 18:09.01 | thiago | oh, sorry |
| 18:09.08 | thiago | no, there isn't a command |
| 18:09.11 | Sho_ | He could add the System Menu sub-menu to KMenu, however |
| 18:09.14 | thiago | if you want to edit the menu, run kmenuedit |
| 18:10.01 | Sho_ | KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Menus -> Optional Menus -> [x] System Menu |
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| 18:16.37 | pelandrit | sho and thiago, i know how to place that menu in kicker but in need to know the command to launch that menu OUT OF kicker, i want to place it in kiba-dock |
| 18:17.06 | thiago | there's no command |
| 18:17.55 | pelandrit | thiago: yes, there is but i don't remember it |
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| 18:18.02 | Sho_ | No, there is none |
| 18:18.25 | thiago | pelandrit: then tell me the command |
| 18:18.44 | thiago | I can't prove there isn't one, but if you insist there is, it's up to you to prove that it does |
| 18:18.54 | Sho_ | What you can do however is add the System Menu as sub-menu to KMenu |
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| 18:24.32 | pelandrit | Sho_: how can i do that? |
| 18:24.38 | Sho_ | I told you above |
| 18:24.42 | Sho_ | [20:11] <Sho_> KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Menus -> Optional Menus -> [x] System Menu |
| 18:25.52 | pelandrit | Sho_: ahh true, thanks |
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| 18:31.46 | omry | hi, on startup I am getting a dialog like "language en_US does not exist, using system default". and idea how to get rid of it? |
| 18:32.05 | omry | (using debian etch) |
| 18:32.22 | benJIman | Install the en_US localisation perhaps? |
| 18:32.23 | thiago | what program says that? |
| 18:32.27 | benJIman | or real English instead? |
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| 18:33.34 | omry | thiago, kde itself, before I even get the startup animation dialog |
| 18:34.16 | thiago | so, a dialog box? |
| 18:36.18 | omry | thiago, its a bit hard to say. I am starting kdm, entering my user/pass, and the first thing I see is this dialog. when I press ok KDE resume its startup. |
| 18:36.36 | Sho_ | omry: Does the dialog box look like a KDE dialog box? ;) |
| 18:38.11 | omry | Sho_, its missing the window decorations, besides that I can't really tell if it looks like a KDE dialog. |
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| 18:47.14 | pelandrit | another question, how can i make smaller the icons of systray? |
| 18:48.35 | thiago | systray icons have fixed size |
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| 18:49.11 | dealer | kde prelinking is already working? |
| 18:50.29 | pelandrit | thiago: sure? look at that custom kicker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kde-kicker-%28customized%29.png |
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| 18:51.34 | benJIman | pelandrit: that's probably system tray 2 |
| 18:51.58 | benJIman | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/System+Tray+2+(with+icon+hiding+support)?content=17732 |
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| 18:54.32 | pelandrit | thanks benJIman |
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| 18:56.14 | dealer | prelink is working? |
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| 18:59.36 | thiago | pelandrit: the icon sizes are the same as mine |
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| 19:01.30 | pelandrit | thiago: u have the icons in 2 rows as in the picture? |
| 19:01.41 | thiago | no |
| 19:01.47 | thiago | but the icon sizes are the same |
| 19:02.57 | thiago | switching my panel to a larger size makes them appear on two lines |
| 19:02.58 | pelandrit | thiago: sure? look at that 2 bars compared http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kicker_(KDE) |
| 19:03.43 | thiago | anything over 50 pixels in height makes the kicker's systray show the icons in two rows |
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| 19:04.57 | DaSkreech | Can I edit the Kurrent Kontext in Klipper? |
| 19:05.08 | thiago | DaSkreech: what's Kurrent Kontext? |
| 19:05.12 | DaSkreech | I remember doing it once. No Idea how I did it |
| 19:05.27 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.39 | DaSkreech | what I get when I middle klik |
| 19:05.41 | thiago | pelandrit: I'm with benJIman: it's probably systray2 |
| 19:06.02 | thiago | Ctrl+Alt+R |
| 19:06.07 | thiago | you can edit |
| 19:07.56 | DaSkreech | That doesn't seem to work here :-( |
| 19:08.08 | thiago | it does here |
| 19:08.14 | thiago | it makes Klipper pop up its action menu |
| 19:08.23 | thiago | the second-to-last entry is "Edit Contents" |
| 19:08.33 | DaSkreech | ha yes I recall that now |
| 19:08.40 | DaSkreech | Except I get no popup :( |
| 19:08.52 | DaSkreech | It has to be URL ? |
| 19:09.09 | DaSkreech | A URL? |
| 19:09.25 | thiago | oh, right, it has to be something for which there is an action menu |
| 19:09.29 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
| 19:09.35 | DaSkreech | I guess I could hack that |
| 19:11.10 | DaSkreech | Heehee REgexp is sweet |
| 19:11.10 | DaSkreech | +1 over Gnome |
| 19:11.10 | dealer | thiago: are you brazilian? |
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| 19:13.06 | DaSkreech | Wait |
| 19:13.10 | DaSkreech | it didn't edit :-P |
| 19:13.31 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
| 19:13.46 | DaSkreech | I added a generic action |
| 19:14.05 | DaSkreech | and got a menu that just has Edit Contents |
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| 19:14.27 | DaSkreech | When I edit Klipper doesn't reflect the contents |
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| 19:20.20 | alanhaggai | Sho_: I installed gtk-qt-engine. But I am not able to find menu entry in Control Center. |
| 19:21.15 | alanhaggai | How can I set GTK applications to show up with KDE style? |
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| 19:27.26 | DaSkreech | thiago: ping |
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| 19:28.22 | wolsni | alanhaggai: it should show up in the Appearance section, I think |
| 19:28.36 | wolsni | have you restarted kcontrol? |
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| 19:29.09 | alanhaggai | wolsni: No. I did restart kcontrol. |
| 19:29.40 | alanhaggai | :) |
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| 19:31.26 | wolsni | it adds Appearance & Themes -> GTK Styles and Fonts here |
| 19:31.54 | PhilRod | alanhaggai: try running kbuildsycoca, then try again |
| 19:32.08 | PhilRod | (kbuildsycoca will show a million warnings and errors - feel free to ignore them) |
| 19:32.20 | alanhaggai | PhilRod: Ok. |
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| 19:32.58 | MrMcFood | anyone? at all? |
| 19:32.59 | thiago | DaSkreech: pong |
| 19:33.15 | alanhaggai | PhilRod: That did it. Now I have that menu :) |
| 19:33.17 | DaSkreech | Can you edit a URL? And it stays ? |
| 19:33.23 | PhilRod | cool :-) |
| 19:33.33 | alanhaggai | Thank you very much friends, for the time spared for me. :) |
| 19:33.51 | wolsni | alanhaggai: np |
| 19:34.07 | dealer | thiago: use kde with prelink is still nice? |
| 19:34.09 | thiago | DaSkreech: what? |
| 19:34.23 | DaSkreech | thiago: You have a URL in your klipper history ? |
| 19:34.24 | thiago | dealer: "still" implies that I tested it before and now. |
| 19:34.29 | thiago | dealer: neither is true. |
| 19:34.33 | thiago | DaSkreech: yes |
| 19:34.46 | DaSkreech | thiago: Try edit it and tell me if it sticks |
| 19:34.49 | dealer | thiago: do you use? |
| 19:34.56 | thiago | dealer: no |
| 19:35.05 | thiago | DaSkreech: define "sticks" |
| 19:35.19 | thiago | DaSkreech: ah, I see. You edit the action, not the clipboard contents. |
| 19:35.32 | DaSkreech | thiago: When you click ok and either alt+ctrl+V or middle click it reflects your changes |
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| 19:35.41 | dealer | thiago: is there anything that makes the KDE runs more faster.. |
| 19:35.43 | dealer | ? |
| 19:35.47 | thiago | DaSkreech: interesting, that's not the behaviour I would expect |
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| 19:36.02 | thiago | dealer: use of a good compiler, symbol visibility, lots of things we're working on |
| 19:36.07 | DaSkreech | I've edited A URL before and edited the Klipper contents |
| 19:36.11 | thiago | dealer: prelinking is one possibility, but I've never used it. |
| 19:36.17 | DaSkreech | has something changed? |
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| 19:36.30 | thiago | DaSkreech: what do you mean? |
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| 19:37.26 | dealer | thiago: do you have any idea about kde4 release date? |
| 19:37.45 | DaSkreech | thiago: the first time I showed this to someone (I must have just found out about Alt+ctrl+R) I edited a URL cause I had missed out the last few chars and then opened it in Konqueror |
| 19:37.48 | PhilRod | ~kde4 |
| 19:37.51 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule). |
| 19:37.53 | DaSkreech | So I remember editing the contents of Klipper |
| 19:38.34 | dealer | that should be in this year? |
| 19:38.35 | thiago | dealer: the *tentative* release date is in the website |
| 19:38.37 | PhilRod | hrm, is apt +1 in here |
| 19:38.42 | PhilRod | err, +q I mean |
| 19:38.45 | thiago | dealer: do some research before asking on IRC, please. |
| 19:39.01 | thiago | DaSkreech: right, the menu pops up with what you edited |
| 19:39.04 | wolsni | dealer: check out techbase.kde.org |
| 19:39.07 | thiago | DaSkreech: but that doesn't change the clipboard or primary |
| 19:39.30 | DaSkreech | thiago: Ah. So I can't edit the Klipper Kontents ? |
| 19:40.41 | thiago | DaSkreech: no |
| 19:41.00 | thiago | DaSkreech: you can write/find another application that lets you change the clipboard or primary |
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| 19:41.18 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
| 19:41.38 | DaSkreech | ok thanks |
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| 19:41.58 | dealer | than.. kde4 first release will come with plasma? |
| 19:42.03 | thiago | yes |
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| 19:42.15 | PhilRod | apt: ping |
| 19:42.16 | apt | pong |
| 19:42.32 | thiago | apt is pinging, but isn't talking |
| 19:42.59 | wolsni | canllaith silenced apt the other day, I think |
| 19:43.05 | PhilRod | ah, it's on the ban list. I meant to talk to canllaith about that |
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| 19:44.57 | dealer | thiago: are you brazilian? |
| 19:45.06 | thiago | dealer: yes |
| 19:45.45 | dealer | thiago: do you think that the release date will be oct 23 or it can come 1 week after? |
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| 19:46.02 | thiago | dealer: it can come a month earlier or several months after |
| 19:46.31 | thiago | that's why it's a *tentative* release date |
| 19:46.50 | hydeph | how do i launch kwallet? i've had the wizard pop up when i installed kde, but now that i've been using kde for some time now, i can't seem to find a link in the kmenu |
| 19:47.00 | dealer | i know.. but hows stability with kde4 snapshot? |
| 19:47.24 | DaSkreech | hydeph: Check kcntorol |
| 19:47.34 | thiago | hydeph: you don't launch it. Applications just use it. |
| 19:47.38 | DaSkreech | dealer: try the KDE 4 LIVE! |
| 19:47.38 | thiago | dealer: it's not stable. |
| 19:47.51 | DaSkreech | But yeah ^^^ |
| 19:47.55 | wolsni | kwalletmanager is the name of the config tool though |
| 19:47.56 | thiago | hydeph: maybe you're looking for kwalletmanager? |
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| 19:48.36 | hydeph | thank you! |
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| 19:49.33 | atidem | re |
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| 19:50.19 | hydeph | how could i get an application to relaunch it? i don't see the wallet manager in kcontrol anywhere |
| 19:50.53 | hydeph | i see the service is running, but thats it |
| 19:51.01 | wolsni | it's in the security section |
| 19:51.21 | thiago | hydeph: wallet manager isn't in kcontrol |
| 19:51.24 | thiago | hydeph: it's in the menu |
| 19:51.33 | thiago | hydeph: try running from a shell: kwalletmanager |
| 19:51.54 | hydeph | nothing. |
| 19:52.01 | hydeph | command not found |
| 19:54.43 | wolsni | hydeph: kcontrol -> Security -> KDE Wallet |
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| 19:55.08 | hydeph | i honestly don't have that under security. |
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| 19:56.27 | wolsni | do you have kdeutils installed? |
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| 19:57.35 | hydeph | no i do not, i guess that would be the solution to that problem. that's weird though. because when i fired up kde a while ago, it popped up asking me the usual questions. |
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| 19:58.21 | wolsni | hm, odd |
| 19:58.50 | wolsni | but yeah, installing kdeutils should do it |
| 19:58.55 | thiago | kwallet is an integral part of KDE |
| 19:59.03 | thiago | there's no option to turn it off |
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| 19:59.21 | thiago | kwalletmanager is a program that can be installed or not, depending on your choice |
| 19:59.27 | wolsni | but the configuration tools are in kdeutilo |
| 19:59.34 | wolsni | *kdeutils |
| 20:00.00 | thiago | right |
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| 20:07.29 | thiago | wolsni: we can't disagree over facts :-) |
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| 20:10.41 | albreche | cio |
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| 20:16.18 | lotyrin | Why is does konqueror delete the target folder when I tell it to delete a symlink? |
| 20:17.11 | lotyrin | I can't imagine a situation where this would be desired, but have experienced a situation where this was amazingly inconvenient. |
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| 20:17.57 | PhilRod | lotyrin: urgh, does it really do that? That sounds like a bug if it does |
| 20:19.25 | PhilRod | can't reproduce that here |
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| 20:20.54 | lotyrin | hmm |
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| 20:21.01 | lotyrin | it was Shift-Delete |
| 20:21.19 | lotyrin | on a symlink I had made from the console. |
| 20:21.26 | toad_ | "kmail: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Cannot talk to klauncher" - could this have something to do with kmail not detecting new mail in maildirs? |
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| 20:21.40 | PhilRod | hrm, I used delete from the context menu. Let me try Shift+Delete |
| 20:21.42 | toad_ | I run kmail remotely using ssh -X, is that a bad idea? |
| 20:22.04 | wolsni | toad_: why would it be? |
| 20:22.07 | toad_ | and it doesn't detect new mail until i actually click on a folder :| |
| 20:22.25 | toad_ | wolsni: i thought it might interfere with the inter-process communication e.g. with the error above? |
| 20:22.37 | PhilRod | toad_: "can't talk to klauncher" is probably related to running with ssh -X, but it should work |
| 20:22.39 | vbgunz | Anybody know how I can check some figures on my HD? e.g., what is the speed 7200, 5400, etc? |
| 20:22.42 | wolsni | ah, didn't see that |
| 20:22.49 | lotyrin | yeah.. |
| 20:22.52 | toad_ | is there some way to manually tell it to refresh folders? did it try to launch a kioslave to refresh folders, and fail? |
| 20:22.54 | lotyrin | I can't reproduce it. |
| 20:23.04 | alanhaggai | Somehow I ended up with two 'GTK Styles and Fonts' menu items in kcontrol. How can I remove one of them? |
| 20:23.06 | lotyrin | well. |
| 20:23.10 | toad_ | therefore, it doesn't recognize when a new mail arrives? |
| 20:23.28 | lotyrin | I guess I'll get started recovering that data I lost earlier. |
| 20:24.00 | PhilRod | lotyrin: I can't reproduce it either. Comiserations about the data loss :-( |
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| 20:25.19 | lotyrin | before I deleted them I noticed that Konqueror was treating them like directories in some ways. |
| 20:25.43 | lotyrin | so it must have been some kind of bug in part of realising that they are links. |
| 20:25.55 | alanhaggai | PhilRod: Somehow I ended up with two 'GTK Styles and Fonts' menu items in kcontrol. How can I remove one of them? |
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| 20:29.39 | sredna | KIO is broken |
| 20:29.44 | Alethes | haha |
| 20:29.58 | Alethes | I have to laugh 'cause everytime sredna's here, he complains about something |
| 20:30.35 | sredna | loading a session with ftp files in kate from the session manager causes kded to go wild, and the authorification dialog isn't displayed :( |
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| 20:31.03 | sredna | Alethes: yea, too bad, someone trying to just use kde for day to day needs and not accepting all the little quirks |
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| 20:31.57 | wolsni | sredna: no such problem here, maybe it's a distro problem |
| 20:32.22 | sredna | wolsni: i use kubuntu, although i'm beginning to doubt if that is wise lately |
| 20:32.31 | alanhaggai | Somehow I ended up with two 'GTK Styles and Fonts' menu items in kcontrol. How can I remove one of them? |
| 20:32.40 | sredna | bbl, i need to restart this broken session |
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| 20:35.10 | sredna | appearently when kate is started before kwallet, the problem occurs |
| 20:35.21 | sredna | maybe kubuntu changed the order of things |
| 20:35.30 | sredna | they do various silly things |
| 20:36.20 | PhilRod | alanhaggai: I don't know, sorry |
| 20:36.52 | alanhaggai | PhilRod: No problem. I am trying to find it out. |
| 20:37.26 | DaSkreech | sredna: start kate before kwallet ? |
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| 20:38.19 | sredna | DaSkreech: it seems so, when started by the session manager |
| 20:38.54 | DaSkreech | Ah. Yeah but Kate is nearly always one of the last thing to start for me |
| 20:38.59 | sredna | or before i can type in a password for the wallet, because the dialog is hidden by the loading progress dialogs of the kate session |
| 20:39.01 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:39.33 | sredna | whatever causes the problem, it represents a BAD bug in core KDE components |
| 20:39.48 | sredna | making KDE a less usable environment |
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| 20:40.21 | sredna | .. and filed a bug report even |
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| 20:49.24 | DaSkreech | Yeah Kubuntu feisty has been a roller coaster for me |
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| 20:56.25 | Froggy[dhraak] | how does one make kweather show temperatures in Fahrenheit? |
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| 20:58.25 | DaSkreech | aseigo: Yo |
| 20:58.30 | DaSkreech | canllaith: Hiya |
| 20:58.38 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Hello |
| 20:59.05 | Sho_ | yo DaSkreech |
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| 20:59.14 | aseigo | DaSkreech: hoya |
| 20:59.21 | aseigo | Froggy[dhraak]: it follows your global desktop settings |
| 20:59.22 | DaSkreech | Oscar De la |
| 20:59.41 | aseigo | Froggy[dhraak]: look in the country/region and language control panel |
| 20:59.52 | aseigo | Froggy[dhraak]: (otherwise known as "all things localizable") |
| 21:00.32 | aseigo | Froggy[dhraak]: you may need to restart kweather for it to take effect (e.g. at next log on, or if you remove/add the applet, etc) |
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| 21:00.43 | Vasistha | Is there an easy way to send a kde-captured keyboard event to a konsole app? For example, I might like to send 'Alt+F3' or 'Shift+Right' to the application running in konsole |
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| 21:02.06 | wolsni | Vasistha: check out dcop |
| 21:02.08 | Froggy[dhraak] | aseigo: I didn't see temp. settings... is it in with imperial/metric? |
| 21:02.55 | Vasistha | wolsni: a brilliant idea, thanks |
| 21:02.55 | aseigo | Froggy[dhraak]: yep |
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| 21:02.56 | Froggy[dhraak] | and dcop kicker kicker restart didn't seem to do it |
| 21:02.56 | wolsni | Vasistha: you can browse available functions with kdcop |
| 21:02.56 | Vasistha | wolsni: heh, that's what I'm doing right now ;) |
| 21:05.23 | Froggy[dhraak] | aseigo: neither restarting kicker nor removing/adding the applet seem to do it |
| 21:06.18 | wolsni | what about refreshing the weather data? |
| 21:06.54 | Froggy[dhraak] | doesn't appear to do it |
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| 21:12.39 | SirTux | hi |
| 21:13.02 | Vasistha | wolsni: hmm, I can't seem to find anything ... there's "void setKeyTab (QString keyboard)" -- but I doubt that's it. There's also "bool sendSignal (int signal)" but I'm quite certain that's not it. inputMethodEnabled doesn't seem to be what I want. any ideas? |
| 21:13.47 | wolsni | do you actually want to send keycodes? |
| 21:14.15 | wolsni | i thought you were trying to use shortcut keys in a script |
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| 21:16.31 | Vasistha | wolsni: I'm not sure I understand the difference. I'm trying to work with a textmode app that has certain shortcut keys that conflict with kde's shortcut keys. I'd be happy to send the "alt+f3" or whatever through dcop, but I'm not sure what function to use to do it. Is my explanation unclear? |
| 21:17.19 | aseigo | Froggy[dhraak]: the data comes from a kded daemon. that may need to get restarted.. which probably leaves it down to a log out / in |
| 21:17.30 | wolsni | ah, so you want to send a particular keycode that's already used by kwin |
| 21:17.59 | wolsni | check the 'special window settings' for konsole |
| 21:18.14 | Vasistha | wolsni: yeah. or, several such keycodes. It would be nice if there was a hotkey to send the next keycode as a literal - kind of like bash's ctrl+v ... ahh, I'll check out the special window settings |
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| 21:38.01 | Vasistha | hmm. well, this is somewhat useful, but it's not quite fitting the bill. konsole still captures "shift+right" to change tabs; it's annoying not to have alt+tab available; kwin doesn't respect my specifying the window title (it keeps the setting, even after changing tabs+title) and it's not at all easy to quickly toggle the kwin settings. I guess I'd better just use a VT :P |
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| 21:40.34 | Vasistha | frack. I can't use alt+f3 in the VT, either. Oh well. I guess I just need to reprogram this thing with modern keybindings. |
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| 21:41.53 | roadfish | Have KDE on two computers. Am getting "The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly" on my 350MHz computer but not my AMD 2300 computer. Any tips on fixing? |
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| 21:42.36 | Vasistha | roadfish: turn off all the special effects and stuff. Use a lightweight distro, like debian. I'm running on 333 MHz, all is fine, here. Watch your memory. |
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| 21:44.31 | toad_ | is there any way to refresh a folder from disk in kmail? |
| 21:44.47 | toad_ | e.g. there are two messages in the "root" folder, but it only shows 1 |
| 21:44.59 | toad_ | it says: WARNING: Error: Failure modifying /home/toad/Mail/.root.index.sorted (No space left on device?) |
| 21:45.02 | toad_ | but there is space |
| 21:45.27 | roadfish | Vasistha: here's the weird thing. I get the popup and lose icons on my desktop. So I have a KPanel button that makes-then-deletes a file in ~/Desktop. Then, all the icons come back and, except for startup, everything is fine. |
| 21:46.18 | roadfish | Is there some kind of timeout causing this "The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly"? Maybe this timeout could be extended? |
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| 21:51.05 | Vasistha | toad_: you could try closing kmail and opening again ... dunno if that will help. You're certain you've got plenty of room on the partition? |
| 21:51.12 | toad_ | yes |
| 21:51.29 | toad_ | the basic problem is that kmail doesn't recognise when there is new mail in a maildir |
| 21:51.38 | toad_ | i mean on the fly |
| 21:51.39 | bittin | press F5? |
| 21:51.45 | toad_ | but now it doesn't even see it if i click on the folder |
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| 21:53.29 | Lord_Drachenblut | does anyone know if there is a way to get firefox to to use the kde wallet? |
| 21:54.02 | toad_ | bittin: pressing f5 doesn't make any difference |
| 21:54.08 | Vasistha | roadfish: I'm suspicious of a memory problem. How much memory have you got there? Are you swapping much? And do you have any idea what process is dying? |
| 21:55.19 | bittin | toad_: then i don't know i use webmail :D |
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| 21:55.45 | toad_ | any other suggestions? i'd prefer not to have to go back to mutt, but if kmail is unable to see new mails ... :| |
| 21:55.59 | toad_ | removing the index files doesn't fix it either |
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| 21:56.50 | MinceR | one way could be using an imap server on that maildir :) |
| 21:56.58 | toad_ | ugh |
| 21:57.06 | toad_ | yes i've heard that suggested before too :| |
| 21:57.13 | MinceR | another is using evolution (it handles local maildirs acceptably, unlike mutt) |
| 21:57.29 | toad_ | my recollection is evolution didn't work terribly well with my setup |
| 21:57.41 | toad_ | does it support subfolders? i've moved all the stuff into subfolders... |
| 21:57.52 | Vasistha | my understanding is that evolution is not being maintained all that well upstream :| |
| 21:58.08 | toad_ | despite all the hype? |
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| 22:00.49 | toad_ | there is now 1 message in the folder root, stored in ~/Mail/root/ |
| 22:00.49 | toad_ | according to mutt |
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| 22:00.50 | toad_ | however, according to kmail there are no messages |
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| 22:00.52 | toad_ | how to fix? |
| 22:00.52 | roadfish | Vasistha: ok, I guess memory is an issue. almost 100% of the 256MB is used as well as 100MB of swap. |
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| 22:01.41 | roadfish | Vasistha: but I can't tell what process is dying. There are some messages about kio in ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 22:03.33 | toad_ | hmmm that worked really well :| |
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| 22:03.50 | toad_ | it crashed |
| 22:04.24 | jazbo2185 | Hey, how do I make numbers and letters show up for each link in konqueror? I did this by mistake now I cant figure out how to do it... |
| 22:04.35 | toad_ | I can't believe the only good linux mail clients are mutt and thunderbird! |
| 22:04.54 | jazbo2185 | toad_: kmail? |
| 22:05.04 | toad_ | jazbo2185: i'm trying to use kmail |
| 22:05.08 | jazbo2185 | toad_: ah |
| 22:05.15 | toad_ | jazbo2185: but it doesn't pick up new messages |
| 22:05.27 | jazbo2185 | toad_: I only use pine ;) |
| 22:05.47 | toad_ | jazbo2185: first it doesn't realise when there's a new message in the folder in the background, second it doesn't realise it even if you click on the folder |
| 22:05.50 | benJIman | non-free etc. |
| 22:05.55 | toad_ | oh and evolution consistently crashes |
| 22:06.05 | toad_ | i can see having to go back to mutt |
| 22:06.13 | benJIman | toad_: konqueror + gmail |
| 22:06.23 | toad_ | that would be ***** annoying |
| 22:07.09 | jazbo2185 | So I pressed something in konqueror and a number or letter showed up for each link. Pressing the number or letter opened that link. What do I press to do this?? |
| 22:07.24 | benJIman | control |
| 22:07.48 | jazbo2185 | benJIman: thanks |
| 22:08.03 | jazbo2185 | That's got to be the coolest feature ever. I'm never using firefox again |
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| 22:08.38 | benJIman | Firefox does have some extensions which do similar things, but they slow down rendering immensely. |
| 22:09.25 | jazbo2185 | benJIman: firefox seems very slow compared to konqueror in general. Is that what most people find? |
| 22:09.29 | toad_ | it has to be something to do with this error message: kmail: WARNING: Error: Failure modifying /home/toad/Mail/.debian.directory/.debian-openoffice.index.sorted (No space left on device?) |
| 22:09.39 | toad_ | jazbo2185: isn't it a standard accessibility feature? |
| 22:09.42 | benJIman | jazbo2185: konqueror is generally faster yes |
| 22:10.29 | toad_ | but there is loads of space and all the files are owned by the user running kmail |
| 22:11.27 | jazbo2185 | Hmmm though it doesn't seem to assign a key to every link on the page... |
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| 22:11.38 | toad_ | and the directories are rwx for the user... |
| 22:11.41 | benJIman | jazbo2185: There are only so many keys on the keyboard |
| 22:11.51 | toad_ | does any component of kmail run as a different user? |
| 22:12.16 | benJIman | jazbo2185: another thing you can do is press ' that will activate find-links-as-you-type, type a couple of letters of the link until it's highlighted and hit enter |
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| 22:17.58 | jazbo2185 | benJIman: thanks |
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| 22:21.52 | fs-a | hey, how can i use consolefonts in konsole? i only see 4 or 5 now, like courier new truetype. |
| 22:22.04 | fs-a | :| |
| 22:22.08 | fs-a | :] |
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| 22:24.21 | wundo | Hey folks, I'm trying to emerge kdesdk-scripts but I receive a silly error here :( Something about qt version, here is the pastebin: http://rafb.net/p/dNiiqD55.html). Could somebody help me please? |
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| 22:25.41 | wolsni | did you send a bug report like it says you should? |
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| 22:33.30 | toad_ | this could take a while - how long to build kdepim typically? |
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| 22:36.38 | toad_ | how long does it typically take to build kdepim from scratch? |
| 22:37.11 | pinotree | which processor do you have? and how much ram? |
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| 22:37.56 | toad_ | lots of RAM, dual core amd, but i'm using the debian build script and it seems to not be using -j anything |
| 22:38.49 | toad_ | would it be better to stop it and start it again and try to get it to use -j5? |
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| 22:39.44 | pinotree | single job, about 1hour |
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| 22:42.56 | aseigo | toad_: sure; it'll start off where it stopped |
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| 22:44.31 | Jejem | lol |
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| 22:48.11 | wundo | e-gron, ow! figured out! |
| 22:48.23 | wundo | WTF! Something is really wrong. |
| 22:49.02 | wundo | seems like my qt-copy from kde4 build howto had been using as my default qt. |
| 22:49.04 | wundo | How could it be? |
| 22:49.18 | wundo | I did an make install, but I did this as my normal user, not as root. |
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| 22:51.15 | toad_ | i suppose it's possible that there's only one file left to compile... i still see only 1 cc1plus with make -j 5 -f debian/rules build |
| 22:51.22 | k3ks | hi everyone |
| 22:51.38 | k3ks | i've got a beryl problem with the new kubuntu |
| 22:52.34 | k3ks | it doesn't sounde like a kde problem, but with gnome it works fine an it returns no failures in kde but still doesn't work |
| 22:52.42 | k3ks | maybe it's a kde problem |
| 22:52.48 | k3ks | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2579757#post2579757 |
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| 22:55.09 | Lord_Drachenblut | k3ks: did you install beryl or the kde specific version of beryl? |
| 22:55.41 | e-gron | is there i kde version of beryl?? |
| 22:55.51 | k3ks | Lord_Drachenblut: i think beryl |
| 22:56.06 | k3ks | is there a kde specific verson? berly-kubuntu? |
| 22:56.11 | wundo | e-gron, worked! really really really thank you... |
| 22:56.28 | e-gron | wundo: np |
| 22:56.35 | Lord_Drachenblut | k3ks: and it's a kubuntu insall |
| 22:56.56 | toad_ | 32702 root 25 0 1031m 1.0g 5384 R 84 25.9 1:15.15 cc1plus |
| 22:56.56 | toad_ | that's impressive |
| 22:57.04 | Skrot- | There's not a KDE spesific version of Beryl, but there is Aquamarine for window decorations which is more compatable with KDE afaik |
| 22:57.25 | Lord_Drachenblut | i am pretty sure that there is a beryl-kde in the kubuntu repos if you check in adapt manager |
| 22:57.31 | k3ks | Lord_Drachenblut: beryl-kubuntu is installed |
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| 22:58.33 | Lord_Drachenblut | k3ks: no idea really then past that i'm still learning this stuff as i go but thought i would toss you my 2 cents worth |
| 22:59.10 | k3ks | Lord_Drachenblut: ok, thanx for your trie |
| 22:59.49 | toad_ | /home/toad/kdepim-3.5.6.dfsg.1/./kmail/cachedimapjob.cpp:164: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 22:59.51 | toad_ | aieeeeee! |
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| 23:01.59 | pinotree | go on anyway |
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| 23:02.09 | e-gron | toad_ what kind CXXFLAGS do you use? Might want to try optimize less |
| 23:03.24 | toad_ | i suppose i should report it ... not sure how to get preprocessed source though... |
| 23:03.54 | toad_ | e-gron: i was using the debian build script |
| 23:04.36 | pinotree | toad_: go on with the compilation |
| 23:04.45 | toad_ | pinotree: hmm? |
| 23:04.49 | toad_ | pinotree: try again you mean? |
| 23:04.52 | pinotree | y |
| 23:04.54 | e-gron | hmm, overclocked cpu? |
| 23:05.06 | pinotree | e-gron: no |
| 23:05.16 | toad_ | no |
| 23:05.20 | pinotree | that may happen anytime, anyhow |
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| 23:05.34 | toad_ | well this happened when compiling libkmail |
| 23:05.42 | e-gron | pinotree: unstable system you have :) |
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| 23:05.53 | pinotree | system has nothing to do |
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| 23:06.02 | pinotree | there's a bug in the compiler, that's it |
| 23:06.04 | toad_ | if it does it again i'd really better report it |
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| 23:07.24 | toad_ | but i dunno how to get preprocessed source, so that's the next thing... /me has been chasing his tail all day... first mutt annoyed me with all the time i spend waiting for it to load folders, so i try kmail. then kmail doesn't pick up new messages when they go into maildirs. so i try evolution. that crashes. so i try to debug kmail. so i add some logging to kmail to find the error number which ought to have been logged in the first place. so i compile |
| 23:07.24 | toad_ | kmail. so the compiler crashes. |
| 23:07.34 | toad_ | isn't linux great? :| |
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| 23:09.17 | toad_ | woah, it got past that file |
| 23:09.31 | toad_ | so the compiler bug in question is nondeterministic? that's wierd |
| 23:09.32 | Lanken | toad_: it's not just you. |
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| 23:09.55 | Lanken | I haven't seen non-deterministic compiler bugs but I do find my k-gear to be a bit buggy. |
| 23:10.14 | Lanken | not that the gnalternatives are any better. |
| 23:10.19 | Skrot- | Yeah, thats the good thing about proprietary software.. it never crashes or acts weird :) |
| 23:10.24 | toad_ | lol yeah |
| 23:10.39 | Lanken | Skrot-: oh right. *all* software is crap :) |
| 23:10.41 | toad_ | the great thing about free software is when it crashes you can debug it. the sucky thing is that you have to. ;) |
| 23:10.57 | Skrot- | toad_: hehe |
| 23:11.29 | Lanken | I had some traumatic shit yesterday with the linux versions of the Kenta Cho games |
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| 23:11.44 | Lanken | A7Xpg wouldn't run sometimes, then other times it would. |
| 23:12.10 | Lanken | eventually I discovered that it was calling for file paths in relation to the pwd, assuming the pwd was the same as the directory with the executable. |
| 23:12.21 | e-gron | well, i use gcc 4.1.2 never gotten it to segfault on a compile... and i'm sorta addicted to emerge --sync && upgrade :) |
| 23:13.05 | Lanken | <3 versionless distro |
| 23:13.06 | toad_ | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 23:13.12 | toad_ | that i think is the default on etch |
| 23:13.37 | toad_ | nondeterministic compiler bug or segv due to overheating? i've had overheating issues but not for aaaaages... |
| 23:14.01 | toad_ | (it could be the sid compiler but i doubt it, this is mostly etch) |
| 23:15.07 | toad_ | i like sticking all the files in one to let gcc go crazy anyway, i wonder how much performance you actually get from that |
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| 23:20.55 | toad_ | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lkcal |
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| 23:21.01 | toad_ | is this a kde problem or a debian problem? |
| 23:22.05 | toad_ | looks like a debian problem ... how can you have it failing to find -lkcal when building libkcal?! |
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| 23:27.17 | vbgunz | might sound nuts *but* is it possible to install one application two times under different names and locations? |
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| 23:29.36 | Alethes | just change the prefix |
| 23:29.53 | Alethes | if you're using ./configure, you'll probably use --prefix=/path/to/wherever |
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| 23:33.10 | vbgunz | ok, if it is possible, I will look into it :) |
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| 23:46.13 | Sho_ | doo be doo be doo |
| 23:47.09 | Jejem | 'night |
| 23:47.14 | mrigns | bye |
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| 23:52.52 | unity | a small bug perhaps some one can pick up--too small to put on bugs.kde.org? in konsole, the text on the tabs are always black regardless of color scheme. (3.5.6) on high contrast themes, on inverted themes, they remain black, thus unreadable |
| 23:53.17 | unity | (if i knew kde program, i could fix this in a couple of minutes probably) |
| 23:53.30 | wundo | e-gron, do you know the name of librdf package in Gentoo? |
| 23:54.08 | toad_ | unity: suggest you file a bug for it |
| 23:54.51 | Sho_ | unity: You'd be surprised how easily that bug creeps in ... often people who add color to tab titles in their programms mentally assume black as neutral reset color without thinking twice, and often style engine authors also forget that tabs can be colored and don't implement the drawing (Polyester had that bug initially, so did Domino) |
| 23:55.15 | Sho_ | I wrote the tabbar/treelist stuff in Konversation so unfortunately I know those all too well :) |
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| 23:56.55 | Sho_ | Not to mention that many apps also don't handle color scheme changes at runtime properly because they use local copies of the color values and don't update them on the global signal |
| 23:57.39 | Sho_ | </minirant> |
| 23:59.39 | toad_ | ../libksync/.libs/libksync2.so: undefined reference to `vtable for KCal::Alarm' |
| 23:59.39 | toad_ | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 23:59.46 | toad_ | any ideas? |
