00:00.15 | Artimus | How do I make Konqueror google for an invalid URL entered into the location bar? I had it working on a different install, but I can't find the option. |
00:00.23 | aapzak | should not be neede |
00:01.23 | wolsni | Artimus: it's in the search provider config |
00:01.23 | aapzak | just move the kwallet stuff out of .kde and try again |
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00:01.32 | Artimus | wolsni: I've got the default search engine set to google. But if I put "online shopping" into the location bar, it errors out. I don't want to use a shortcut prefix. |
00:01.56 | wolsni | hm, I thought that's what you wanted |
00:02.08 | Artimus | well, now it sort of works |
00:02.08 | aapzak | maybe if you set the default search engine? |
00:02.30 | Artimus | I changed it to space separating. Now if I enter two or more words in the location bar, it will search |
00:02.35 | andrew_ | nope moving the kwallet stuff has done nothing, thanks for your help ill just go and nuke my .kde file. Last resort :) |
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00:02.44 | Ralesk | Artimus: I use something like that, I default to I'm Feeling Lucky, but I have "google" for normal google, and I have things space-separated. Works just the way it's intended really |
00:02.46 | Artimus | However, "Slashdot" won't get me anywhere |
00:02.48 | wolsni | that's what the "default search engine" setting does here |
00:03.04 | deitarion | Any idea where I should be asking questions about PyKDE? |
00:03.04 | Artimus | Ralesk: Does it work for one word queries? |
00:03.09 | Lazydog | Artimus: it's under 'web shortcus' |
00:03.14 | Lazydog | Artimus: it's under 'web shortcuts' |
00:03.18 | Ralesk | yar |
00:03.19 | aapzak | Artimus: yes |
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00:03.32 | Artimus | ... Then it has something to do with my ISP hijacking my DNS |
00:03.34 | Lazydog | Default search engine |
00:03.42 | Artimus | yeah, that's set, and it works now |
00:03.53 | Artimus | (I think I had Colon Keyword Delimiter set before, that was my problem) |
00:03.54 | aapzak | off course |
00:04.00 | Ralesk | Artimus: what does dns have to do with it :P |
00:04.15 | Artimus | Ralesk: Charter thinks slashdot is a DNS query and spits out it's Yahoo based spam page |
00:04.30 | andrew_ | Fixed my kdewallet problem :) Just got rid of .kde, then ran kdeinit (Dont ask me why i did that) and then it seems to work fine |
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00:05.07 | Ralesk | Artimus: if it's handled by the browser as a searchable term, it should have nothing to do with Charter's DNS query ^^; |
00:05.25 | Ralesk | because the only thing then you'd DNS is google.com |
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00:05.38 | Artimus | Ralesk: Alright... Then for some reason, Konqueror is trying to turn a query for "Slashdot" into http://slashdot |
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00:05.46 | Artimus | And then my ISP's DNS servers bring me spam |
00:05.58 | Ralesk | that /is/ mighty unusual :) |
00:06.33 | Ralesk | then of course, konqueror keeps forgetting my youtube search URI... so nothing should be surprising :) |
00:07.02 | aapzak | worst of all, google seems to break more and more for us konqueror users |
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00:07.35 | Ralesk | yeah, gotta love their gmail breakage :/ |
00:07.43 | Artimus | yeah, I'm bitter about that |
00:07.48 | aapzak | picasa does not work anymore |
00:07.59 | aapzak | and .. the more menu |
00:08.08 | aapzak | I cannot search groups anymore |
00:08.09 | Ralesk | and netvibes has a tendency to send my konq to crashlands with the "empty.txt" download thingy... |
00:08.33 | Ralesk | (although I know that's not google affiliated, but still) |
00:09.03 | aapzak | I like konqueror a lot, but this google incompatiblilty annoys me |
00:09.16 | aapzak | and firebug is a nice tool |
00:09.24 | aapzak | we need that in konq |
00:09.46 | Mek | well, scratch your itch :P |
00:11.12 | Ralesk | I just reinstalled feisty... gmail worked once... then it broke o_O; I remember that I had installed 3.5.7 before I pulled down my system and gmail worked in that too... |
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00:11.14 | aapzak | I get the feeling the Ubuntu version of kde has issues? |
00:11.18 | aapzak | did they break it a bit? |
00:12.45 | Ralesk | dunno. |
00:12.51 | Ralesk | what are you using then? |
00:12.54 | aapzak | arch |
00:13.07 | aapzak | and gentoo |
00:13.24 | aapzak | both work fine with kde, no wallet issues, or gmail |
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00:13.52 | Ralesk | hmm, well, the thing that I noticed that google broke was gmail :) |
00:13.55 | aapzak | I don't like what they did with kcontrol |
00:14.04 | aapzak | oyeah, sry :) |
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00:14.56 | Ralesk | I really hate the system settings thingy (not sure how global it is, or whether it's ubuntu only) -- I like my kcontrol :3 |
00:15.13 | deitarion | You mean what they replaced KControl with. Just type `kcontrol` in the run box to get the normal one. |
00:15.25 | deitarion | (My mother is on Kubuntu. I'm on Gentoo) |
00:15.30 | Ralesk | ss reminds me of Windows XP's new way of organising the control items |
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00:15.50 | deitarion | It's a knock-off of the GNOME one. |
00:15.53 | Ralesk | which I couldn't get used to in what, 5 years of constant exposure to XP :) |
00:16.08 | Ralesk | ah |
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00:16.37 | deitarion | Unfortunately, the GNOME devs seem to emphasize useless "user-friendliness" over things that are actually helpful. |
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00:17.45 | deitarion | Linus Torvalds recommends KDE because he got sick and tired of trying to convince the GNOME devs that an "Advanced Options" button in the printing panel wouldn't scare granny any more than preventing advanced options (like duplex printing) from being usable. |
00:18.04 | Ralesk | I like apt and the way the guts of a debian system looks, it's actually the reason why I use ubuntu and debian -- and I don't like thinking about having to wait until something finally compiles on my system (hence no gentoo for me) |
00:18.10 | aapzak | he still likes gnome enough to send in patches though |
00:18.16 | Ralesk | hehe :) |
00:18.40 | Ralesk | what I recently got to know in gnome is gconf... mighty nice. |
00:18.44 | aapzak | Ralesk: I hate the compiling part, thats why I switched to archlinux |
00:18.48 | Ralesk | at least the gconf-editor thingy |
00:19.03 | deitarion | Ralesk: I use Gnome because I demand control of my compile-time deps. |
00:19.24 | deitarion | s/Gnome/Gentoo/ |
00:19.32 | Ralesk | Freud is spinning in his grave :) |
00:19.37 | deitarion | (Yesterday was the tail-end of an all-nighter and it's close to bedtime) |
00:19.45 | aapzak | :) |
00:20.18 | aapzak | I like the control I have in gentoo, I like the fact that it's the system I have the least problems on when trying something new |
00:20.36 | aapzak | but arch gives me a lot of control too |
00:20.42 | Ralesk | dunno, never really had problems trying something new here on deb/ub :) |
00:21.04 | aapzak | and the build system is not that hard to understand, I can easlily create my own packages |
00:21.09 | deitarion | Originally, my reason for picking Gentoo was because of the lack of distro-wide version numbers. |
00:21.17 | Ralesk | although the word "new" is something that sounds remarkably awkward in the same sentence as Debian :) |
00:21.56 | aapzak | Ralesk: I had a awfull time trying to get php to run with oracle and sybase support in debian, which is a breeze in gentoo |
00:22.08 | Ralesk | aapzak: I don't /want/ to create my own packages, unless I'm making the software (like ljKlient) :) it's a waste of time in my eyes, and so it compiling, really. |
00:22.17 | Ralesk | s/it /is /; |
00:23.19 | deitarion | Then give me a set of Debian or Ubuntu KDE packages without aRTs. |
00:23.19 | aapzak | apart from the compiling, gentoo is the ultimate development machine for me |
00:23.19 | deitarion | I've got the damn thing hard-masked on this box. |
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00:23.25 | karsten | Ralesk: Welcome to Debian experimental.; |
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00:24.12 | Ralesk | aapzak: then again, php is a really silly thing, requiring recompilation for EVERYTHING. |
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00:24.17 | aapzak | Ralesk: there is no package for php+oracle, how do you handle that in debian, you can't without compiling |
00:24.25 | aapzak | yes |
00:24.38 | aapzak | and in those situations, gentoo makes me smile |
00:24.38 | Ralesk | "oh hey, there's this new thingy I/my client suddenly needs, let's add... oh shit." |
00:24.44 | Ralesk | I can understand that :) |
00:25.06 | aapzak | stiill rebuilding, but only after adding one use flag |
00:25.09 | deitarion | I've been meaning to whip up a Python alternative to WordPress for my blog. I'm sick and tired of PHP devs proving that they don't know the meaning of "regression test". |
00:25.24 | Ralesk | deitarion: your notifications must all run some program then to make noise? 'cause for me, if I turn of farts there's no system sounds here |
00:25.52 | karsten | aapzak: There's some support for doing your own builds in Debian, though not with the level of control and flexibility Gentoo affortds. |
00:26.03 | deitarion | Ralesk: The only noise-making programs I use are Audacious Media Player and X-Chat. Both non-GNOME GTK+ apps. |
00:26.18 | Ralesk | aapzak: but of course, compiling isn't impossible in debian, either ;) apt-source gets ya sources with debpatches |
00:26.28 | aapzak | gentoo was build with tthat in mind, would suprise me if debian came near in that field |
00:26.40 | deitarion | My main beef with Debian-based distros is the distro-wide versioning. |
00:26.54 | deitarion | As I said, I originally went to Gentoo for the rolling "current" version. |
00:27.09 | Ralesk | deitarion: Ah. For me alert boxes and for example specially tagged users in Kopete when they log on, make sound. |
00:27.27 | deitarion | Ralesk: I like visual-only notification for everything that isn't X-Chat. |
00:27.29 | Ralesk | deitarion: everything other than gentoo does that, don't they? |
00:27.37 | aapzak | Ralesk: kopete sound works without arts here |
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00:27.48 | deitarion | Ralesk: Yeah. I Went WinXP --> Mandrake --> Gentoo. |
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00:28.01 | Ralesk | aapzak: hmhm |
00:28.36 | aapzak | nowadays with software mixing in alsa I see no point in using arts anymore |
00:29.03 | deitarion | I dug up an old Yamaha PCI soundcard because ALSA's dmix software mixer is a piece of junk. |
00:29.24 | Ralesk | deitarion: in any case, I usually dist-upgrade to whatever's "current bleeding edge" the moment it's announced. So far the ubuntu peeps have only broken my system once, and that wasn't unrecoverable :) So I kinda don't care about the distro version number really |
00:29.33 | Ralesk | dmix is crap, yah :/ |
00:29.35 | aapzak | I have hardware mixing on this machine as well, but never checked my laptop which works just fine |
00:29.59 | Ralesk | this is the funniest shit I've ever had with alsa |
00:30.03 | deitarion | The easiest way to show how junky it is would probably be playing sound and MIDI (via Timidity as a system-wide daemon) at the same time. |
00:30.28 | aapzak | midi? who plays midi :) |
00:30.32 | Ralesk | before I reinstalled, alsa wouldn't work directly. I could alsaplayer into the OSS /emulation/ though, just fine |
00:31.03 | Ralesk | now considering that on linux there's no OSS driver for an nforce2... :))) |
00:31.57 | aapzak | can't wait till 23 October 2007, I'm very curious about the media stuff they're building |
00:32.13 | Ralesk | yeah |
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00:32.54 | Ralesk | I wish we could have dumped (or seriously improved) farts ages ago, still in the middle of 3.x |
00:33.22 | aapzak | I never like any of the sound daemons |
00:33.33 | aapzak | arts, esd |
00:33.59 | Ralesk | esd at least Just Worked |
00:34.02 | deitarion | I'm just hoping they let you pick audio and video backends separately in KDE 4 so I can hack up an Audacious Media Player-based backend and set it for audio only. |
00:34.07 | Ralesk | without introducing 28934273 seconds of delay. |
00:34.39 | Ralesk | but I agree, it's stupid. dmix is the way to go, but it should be a lot better |
00:35.01 | aapzak | arts is terrible on my laptop, holds up every sound going through alsa, massive delay, that why I'm running artsless |
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00:35.43 | deitarion | Kernel-mode mixing is the way to go according to one of the Audacious devs, but I forget who. Probably nenolod. |
00:36.06 | Ralesk | deitarion: uh, yes. Been thinking about that before, too |
00:36.18 | Ralesk | unfortunately my C-fu sucks arse, so I can't do it |
00:36.24 | Ralesk | else it would be long done :/ |
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00:37.12 | aapzak | :) |
00:37.13 | Ralesk | If anything, I can be chased out from anywhere by being shown C code c.c; |
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00:37.42 | Ralesk | fscking asterisk hunting nightmare of a language :P |
00:38.41 | Frappuccino | does k3b uses kio_iso ? or thats just Konq |
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00:41.44 | Frappuccino | nvm |
00:41.58 | deitarion | I only know Python. |
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00:42.20 | aapzak | I know I have to go to bed, it's too late |
00:42.38 | aapzak | bb people! |
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00:44.58 | deitarion | Right now, I'm getting PyKDE set up so I can do a little comparative testing. I need to see how well KHTML+Python compares to Firefox+PyXPCOM and XULRunner+Python for writing a pseudo-spider. (The site in question is so horrible that the only feasible way is to let a browser run the JS and then handle the resulting DOM) |
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00:53.58 | Ralesk | deitarion: I got to know python when I was thinking about writing my own livejournal client back in october. Never even seen a single line of code in it, nor actually seen Qt/KDE code either. In an afternoon I had a client that did what it had to :) |
00:54.16 | Ralesk | sure it was crude and abused MainWindow a bit, but hey |
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00:54.54 | Ralesk | considering the pain I went through trying to get a hello world C++/KDE thing to work... |
00:54.59 | deitarion | I just found out I'll have to use something Gecko-based because it's easier to build a Python-enabled XULRunner from source than to figure out why PyKDE and Python 2.5 don't get along. |
00:55.25 | Ralesk | they get along for me, at least I think they do |
00:55.43 | Ralesk | the preview which is a khtml thing does seem to work |
00:55.56 | deitarion | You're probably still on Python 2.4. |
00:56.11 | deitarion | 2.5 is hard-masked and I got tired of waiting for people to get their acts together. |
00:56.30 | deitarion | Ubuntu Feisty is on 2.5 now. |
00:56.42 | deitarion | I decided I'd waited long enough. |
00:58.02 | Ralesk | I had both installed and the only thing I had problems with is exiting my program would initiate kcrash in py25 |
00:58.22 | Ralesk | but I'll have to try again |
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01:02.59 | Ralesk | I only have py25 installed and the preview works (it's a simple KHTMLPart) |
01:03.48 | deitarion | On mine, the only version of sip that compiles on Py25 is too new for PyKDE and the version of PyQt it asks for. |
01:04.13 | Ralesk | a friend of mine had that problem too, and he too is on gentoo |
01:04.44 | deitarion | If I override the ebuild dep restrictions, I get a build failure in PyKDE. |
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01:21.40 | Lars_G | Quick question, is there any way to make konqueror show the current source for the html instead of pulling the page again to show the source? |
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01:27.19 | hydrogen | would be nice if it did it like mailody :) |
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01:36.28 | Ben_Jami1 | If I have kde running on a remote kiosk(sp?) via a terminal server. how can I ssh to the terminal server and spawn processes that get displayed on the kiosks(sp?)? |
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01:38.58 | aseigo | Ben_Jami1: set the DISPLAY variable properly, make sure you are the user that the kiosk is logged in as, run the command |
01:39.19 | Lars_G | it depends on the DISPLAY and X11 forwarding config of your ssh Ben_Jami1, if X11 forwarding is enabled in both sshd and client, it should set the DISPLAY itself correctly and tunnel the X11 thorough ssh |
01:39.37 | Lars_G | else, just set the DISPLAY correctly and do what aseigo says |
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01:42.49 | Ben_Jami1 | Lemme elaborate. The kiosk doesn't have ssh installed on it(the daemon or the client). The root window for their session has been forwarded by Xprotocol to the remote host. |
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01:44.11 | aseigo | Ben_Jami1: so.. you log into the terminal server. su - to the right user, set DISPLAY, run command |
01:44.56 | Ben_Jami1 | aseigo: How does display need to be set? I have tried DISPLAY=host.ip:0 and no working. |
01:45.14 | Ben_Jami1 | aseigo: the xorg is running on display :0 on the terminal server. |
01:46.06 | aseigo | well, that's for the terminal server; the x server for the kiosk is on the kiosk. just the apps (clients) are running on the server. |
01:46.15 | aseigo | which is. addmitedly. semantically bizarre ;) |
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01:47.01 | Ben_Jami1 | aseigo: Indeed. So will this probably just be easier to spoof an xprotocol packet than to run a process? |
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01:49.52 | aseigo | assumedly if you set the right perms using xhost, you can run apps from the server |
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01:50.48 | Ben_Jami1 | how would I tell the apps that? Do I execute xhost before each one? |
01:51.21 | aseigo | that's something that needs to be done client side |
01:51.33 | aseigo | er, x-server side.. so, on the kiosk |
01:52.19 | Ben_Jami1 | hmm |
01:52.32 | aseigo | though i believe if you are already running the desktop remotely like that, the server is already auth'd to display clients on the xserver |
01:54.04 | aseigo | Ben_Jami1: and you said you tried `export DISPLAY=<ip>:0.0` right? |
01:54.12 | Ben_Jami1 | aseigo: Yessir. |
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01:58.15 | Ben_Jami1 | aseigo: I've got it |
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01:59.10 | Ben_Jami1 | aseigo: allowing tcp on hte xserver and then it opens a port "60XX" XX is the display number for <host>:display |
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02:10.29 | pip | Hello, anyone use KNetStats ? |
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02:15.22 | gribouille | hi |
02:15.26 | gribouille | someone here ? |
02:15.32 | oef | I'm here... |
02:15.37 | oef | dunno if I can be much help |
02:15.39 | oef | though |
02:15.41 | oef | lol |
02:16.19 | pip | why is there a tmp_148680 showed by KNetStats ? |
02:16.35 | pip | seems it turned up these days |
02:16.38 | gribouille | with my logitech keyboard, I have to press the F-lock key to be able to use the function keys. is it possible to tell kde to do it itself ? |
02:18.28 | oef | I really can't help... what OS are you using/ |
02:18.28 | oef | ? |
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02:20.40 | gribouille | oef, who are you talking to ? |
02:21.58 | oef | gribouille: you |
02:22.08 | gribouille | oef, linux |
02:22.24 | oef | gribouille: which linux distribution? |
02:22.35 | gribouille | oef, fedora core 6 |
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02:24.07 | oef | gribouille: ... have you tried asking at their IRC channels? |
02:24.17 | gribouille | no |
02:26.02 | oef | gribouille: that could be of help |
02:26.19 | oef | gribouille: just join #fedora |
02:26.41 | oef | at your IRC client |
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02:27.09 | gribouille | oef, already done |
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02:29.07 | oef | gribouille: any help from them? |
02:29.17 | gribouille | oef, yes, thanks |
02:29.28 | oef | griboille: ;) nice |
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03:07.15 | sunru | hi |
03:07.39 | sunru | im finding kate cant handle some xml files..things get really slow |
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03:09.09 | sunru | with or without highlighing enabled |
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03:55.36 | PeterFA | I have a problem. My icons are all screwed up. Some of my apps and such have icons associated with them, but most do not. Now I have all these default "something" icons all over the place and it's hard to navigate. I've tried to reinstall KDE and icon sets, but that has brought me here. |
03:55.36 | PeterFA | What should I do? |
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03:55.45 | aseigo | PeterFA: have you tried resetting the icon panel settings? |
03:55.55 | stoned | hey |
03:55.56 | stoned | whats up |
03:56.07 | PeterFA | aseigo, yes. I'll try again though... |
03:56.55 | PeterFA | aseigo, nope, it did not work. |
03:57.18 | PeterFA | It's mainly app icons. |
03:57.38 | PeterFA | like amaroK and kopete and such. |
03:57.40 | aseigo | PeterFA: there's only a couple reasons this could be happening: |
03:57.53 | aseigo | a) your local settings are messed up (they found in kglobasettingsrc btw) |
03:58.01 | aseigo | b) your icon theme is messed up on disk |
03:58.30 | PeterFA | These are the only two? |
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03:58.39 | aseigo | there are other potentials, but rather unlikely |
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03:59.40 | PeterFA | aseigo, I would be happy to get a default icon for each object. |
03:59.48 | wolsni | speaking of messed up paths, man:/ and info:/ kioslaves are generating html that works, but lists the wrong URL for the stylesheet |
03:59.59 | PeterFA | Even icons for widgets have disappeared, aseigo. |
04:00.13 | wolsni | it seems to just omit $KDEDIR |
04:01.01 | PeterFA | aseigo, if I delete the local icon settings, would it load a default theme for everything? |
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04:02.05 | Contrast | Greets, everyone... |
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04:03.04 | aseigo | PeterFA: it should, yes |
04:03.08 | aseigo | Contrast: yo |
04:03.24 | PeterFA | aseigo, where is that file located? |
04:03.39 | PeterFA | cd ../kderc |
04:03.42 | aseigo | `kde-config --localprefix`/share/config/kdeglobalsrc |
04:03.42 | PeterFA | er. |
04:03.52 | aseigo | --localprefix usally == ~/.kde |
04:06.03 | Contrast | I'm having a problem getting rid of a certain folder in KMenu. I delete it in KMenuEdit, save and quit, and it's still there next time I open KMenuEdit. I even tried deleting the .desktop file for the folder, still no luck. Any ideas? |
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04:06.52 | john_emily | hey yall |
04:07.19 | Contrast | Hey |
04:07.48 | john_emily | how are you |
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04:08.12 | john_emily | what flavor of linux u peeps running? |
04:08.23 | Contrast | Kubuntu 7.04 |
04:08.27 | john_emily | i just did a clean install of fedora 7 |
04:08.42 | john_emily | kewlies |
04:10.41 | wolsni | john_emily: F7 here as well |
04:10.41 | Contrast | So no one here has had this problem with the KDE menu? It's driving me bat$*&! crazy. :-D |
04:10.43 | PeterFA | aseigo, I got some of the app icons back when I found out my theme was still set to "Wasp" so I went and used the config proggy to change it to kde-classic. |
04:10.57 | PeterFA | aseigo, still, amarok, kopete, and a few others have no icons on like the taskbar and such. |
04:11.05 | aseigo | kde classic doesn't have icons for those aps |
04:11.11 | aseigo | they are newer than kdeclassic |
04:11.12 | PeterFA | Oh |
04:11.20 | aseigo | and nobody makes kdeclassic icons anymore.. not since kde2 days |
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04:11.51 | PeterFA | aseigo, I intended to changet he theme because I like vector icons. Them is sexies. |
04:11.51 | john_emily | where you folks from? |
04:12.00 | aseigo | john_emily: mars. |
04:12.03 | canllaith | venus |
04:12.03 | aseigo | or so the book said. |
04:12.07 | canllaith | snap |
04:12.08 | aseigo | canllaith: ehehehe |
04:12.10 | PeterFA | john_emily, Redmond campus. |
04:12.14 | aseigo | canllaith: well doen. |
04:12.15 | aseigo | er, done |
04:12.25 | john_emily | kewlies |
04:12.34 | canllaith | You're the only man I've ever danced with for a reason ;) |
04:12.38 | john_emily | redmond? that where MS is based is it |
04:12.46 | canllaith | My work hates me :( *sniff* |
04:12.49 | PeterFA | aseigo, do I have to resetart apps to get their icon change to take effect? |
04:12.51 | canllaith | It's trying to make me cry today |
04:13.02 | aseigo | PeterFA: not if they are coded properly =) |
04:13.03 | PeterFA | aseigo, like on the task bar, or that little one on the bottem right with all the little icons? |
04:13.05 | canllaith | PeterFA: only systray icons |
04:13.06 | john_emily | im from down under |
04:13.08 | canllaith | 'cause kicker aint coded properly |
04:13.11 | PeterFA | aseigo, systray ones, yes. |
04:13.13 | aseigo | ah, systray icons, yeah |
04:13.17 | aseigo | canllaith: hehe. you are EVIL |
04:13.23 | canllaith | That's why you love me |
04:13.30 | PeterFA | What about apps with icons inside them, like amaroK's buttons? |
04:13.34 | aseigo | you know me too well. |
04:13.36 | Contrast | Couldn't you just kill and restart Kicker for the systray icons to update? |
04:13.41 | aseigo | Contrast: no |
04:13.46 | aseigo | Contrast: they are out of process |
04:13.51 | Contrast | Ohh |
04:13.56 | aseigo | and killing kicker is the perfect way to lose your tray icons |
04:14.03 | aseigo | you want to do `dcopquit kicker` if anything |
04:14.14 | aseigo | that should give it a clean shutdown of the panel |
04:14.50 | john_emily | bye |
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04:15.05 | PeterFA | aseigo, it seems the cleanest way is to restart KDE entirely. |
04:15.06 | Contrast | Hmm... They always return to the systray when I kill and restart it that way, but either way, I will be using that command you just mentioned from now on. I always wondered what that was. |
04:15.33 | villr[]ye | the eagle1__ has landed. |
04:15.52 | aseigo | Contrast: yeah, you're just getting lucky.. that and i tried my best to make it possible to get lucky, but it's still very possible to lose the systray icons that way |
04:16.13 | Contrast | I'm having a problem getting rid of a certain folder in KMenu. I delete it in KMenuEdit, save and quit, and it's still there next time I open KMenuEdit. I even tried deleting the .desktop file for the folder, still no luck. Any ideas? |
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04:16.39 | villr[]ye | look in ~./local Contrast |
04:16.40 | PeterFA | Whoa, kopete, after looking at the config, recovered some icons. |
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04:17.16 | Contrast | villr[]ye: ~/.local/share/desktop-directories? |
04:17.33 | villr[]ye | Contrast: yesh. |
04:17.36 | aseigo | ~/.local/share/apps/ and ~/.config/menus/ |
04:17.52 | aseigo | er, share/applications/ |
04:18.06 | villr[]ye | or what he said. since he's actually running kde and i'm not :-) |
04:18.08 | Contrast | villr[]ye: Already deleted it from there, yet it persists. |
04:18.15 | aseigo | Contrast: ~/.config/menus/ |
04:18.54 | aseigo | run `kbuildsycoca --noincremental` afterwards for fun |
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04:20.04 | Contrast | Thanks, aseigo. I'm editing the file now... |
04:20.11 | PeterFA | aseigo, you're right... you have to restart the proggy. |
04:20.23 | PeterFA | I just got amaroK back. |
04:20.40 | PeterFA | Time to really clean up everything... brb. |
04:20.59 | Contrast | aseigo: What's that command do? |
04:21.09 | aseigo | magic. |
04:21.22 | aseigo | kbuildsycoca == kde build system configuration cache |
04:21.54 | aseigo | it runs automatically after a period of time when things change on disk if all works well, but it's more fun to be impatient and run it manually |
04:22.34 | aseigo | wolsni: only on mondays. |
04:22.39 | Contrast | Hmm... Just ran it, and got this: "kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!" |
04:22.42 | aseigo | wolsni: canllaith takes the rest of the days. |
04:23.01 | aseigo | we take turns being right. or something like that =) |
04:23.07 | aseigo | Contrast: that's not actually an error. |
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04:23.38 | PeterFA | Sweet, look at the icons :) |
04:23.40 | aseigo | Contrast: it's what you should see. it's more informational than anything, just uses the wrong output mech |
04:23.52 | wolsni | well, it's actually just barely Tuesday in my timezone |
04:23.57 | PeterFA | I was worried I'd have to manually set each one. |
04:23.59 | Contrast | Ohh, ok. Thanks. |
04:24.23 | aseigo | wolsni: time for me to get stupid then. |
04:24.40 | PeterFA | aseigo, rebooting to Windows? |
04:24.47 | aseigo | lol |
04:25.09 | aseigo | what man:/ problem? |
04:25.12 | Contrast | Grr... |
04:25.29 | PeterFA | I love KDE: it looks so good and my system can run it. |
04:25.31 | Contrast | This file is still listing shit that I deleted months ago. |
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04:25.45 | PeterFA | These same effects on Windows just kill it. |
04:26.00 | wolsni | the html generated by man:/ and info:/ kioslaves references the wrong URLs for CSS and images |
04:26.03 | thowe | Can Kate do proper Lisp indentation? |
04:26.05 | villr[]ye | PeterFA: effects? |
04:26.11 | PeterFA | It's so much more integrated and functional. |
04:26.25 | wolsni | it seems to be omitting $KDEDIR from the path |
04:26.35 | PeterFA | villr[]ye, translucency, shadows... fade ins, etc. |
04:28.14 | aseigo | wolsni: hm. odd. dunno about that one. |
04:28.15 | villr[]ye | PeterFA: beryl? |
04:28.15 | wolsni | oh well |
04:28.15 | PeterFA | villr[]ye, no |
04:28.16 | villr[]ye | oh. kcompmgr |
04:28.16 | PeterFA | villr[]ye, just KDE without that stuff. My box cannot run that. |
04:28.16 | PeterFA | villr[]ye, I think so. |
04:29.00 | PeterFA | wazzat? |
04:29.10 | PeterFA | kde port? |
04:29.29 | wolsni | PeterFA: the new version of KWin for KDE4 |
04:29.49 | aseigo | it's kwin for kde4; includes a beryl style compositor with opengl, render and NULL support |
04:29.51 | PeterFA | I can't wait for kde4 |
04:30.24 | aseigo | heh |
04:30.32 | PeterFA | heh |
04:30.46 | PeterFA | No, hurry up and gimme KDE4! |
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04:31.02 | wolsni | you could try to build a time machine :) |
04:31.07 | coobra | sabayonlive <--- is that fun or what |
04:31.22 | coobra | wolsni: gimmi |
04:31.28 | wolsni | if you finish before KDE4 is out you can skip ahead |
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04:31.35 | aseigo | lol |
04:31.51 | coobra | or |
04:31.52 | wolsni | or if you don't then you've got a project to keep you busy till then |
04:32.02 | coobra | go back and get rich |
04:32.04 | aseigo | then you can bring the code 3 years and make us look stellar |
04:32.14 | aseigo | er, 3 years back |
04:32.15 | PeterFA | aseigo, hehe |
04:32.56 | PeterFA | aseigo, I could go into the future and get the leaked M$ code and give it to Samba and Wine. |
04:33.03 | aseigo | and then you can have it totally early |
04:33.19 | PeterFA | I could have it by yesterday. |
04:35.14 | Contrast | aseigo: Is it safe to overwrite applications-kmenuedit.menu with a copy of the file from a different machine? |
04:35.31 | aseigo | Contrast: in ~/.config? just delete it |
04:35.56 | Contrast | .config/menus, but yeah. |
04:36.27 | Contrast | So it will automatically recreate with up-to-date settings? |
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04:39.58 | aseigo | Contrast: yes. |
04:42.37 | Contrast | And now there are empty folders there which I had previously created (and subsequently deleted). |
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04:44.15 | Contrast | So umm... Is there a way to keep any changes from automatically being made to KMenu? I'm guessing just make applications-kmenuedit.menu read-only? |
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04:48.58 | ELEVENNNN | wonder |
04:49.02 | ELEVENNNN | what was the command to login again |
04:49.05 | ELEVENNNN | '/nc? |
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04:49.51 | premier_ | hi, has anyone ever heard of a download them all like feature for konqueror, like the firefox extension? |
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04:52.10 | premier_ | something that easily downloads all of the files that fit a particular prototype on a webpage? Like, every image on a webpage? |
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04:53.13 | Contrast | premier_: I've yet to find ANY extensions for Konqueror, so good luck. :) |
04:53.34 | premier_ | Contrast: well, konqueror doesn't have true extensions, yes |
04:53.44 | thiago | they are all in kdeaddons |
04:53.49 | premier_ | Contrast: but it has things like service menus, plugins, scripts |
04:53.58 | thiago | extensions = plugins |
04:54.06 | premier_ | thiago: exactly |
04:54.08 | Contrast | Ohh. I see. |
04:54.46 | premier_ | Contrast: as far as I can tell, plugins don't slow down konqueror like FF |
04:55.17 | aseigo | ahahaha. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ejLtDJ5V-9g |
04:55.32 | Contrast | I'm guessing because in Konqueror, they only load when you call for them? |
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04:56.16 | thiago | no, they stay loaded |
04:56.27 | thiago | but they are only run/called upon when they are needed. |
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04:56.48 | thiago | there's nothing stopping someone from writing a stupid extension that does slow down Konqueror. |
04:56.51 | thiago | no one has. |
04:57.21 | premier_ | thiago: well, no one would want it |
04:57.25 | Jucato | premier_: how about KGet's List all lnks? |
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04:58.10 | premier_ | Jucato: I just found that... but it doesn't have features that download them all seem to have, like downloading images and embedded content... am I missing them? |
04:58.21 | Jucato | aaah not really sure... :( |
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04:58.29 | aseigo | SlowKonq 0.1: Emulates other popular free software browsers. |
04:59.08 | Contrast | I really want to drop Firefox, but I've yet to find stuff for Konqueror that will make it do what I need it to. |
04:59.34 | premier_ | aseigo: lol... actually, it'd be nice if konq could emulate ff or ie... sometimes websites are written for browsers, not standards, and it real annoying |
04:59.46 | premier_ | Contrast: well, what do you need it to do? |
05:00.12 | premier_ | I'd also like to see a fixed search bar... |
05:00.24 | Contrast | Well, what DownThemAll! does, for one. :) |
05:00.25 | Jucato | fixed search bar? |
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05:01.17 | premier_ | Jucato: well, a real time search that actually has its own text box... and the ability to search google while in file browser mode |
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05:01.24 | Contrast | Along with download embedded flash videos, and run StumbleUpon. |
05:01.27 | Andrew{Sleepz} | Hi all |
05:01.29 | aseigo | premier_: often i just go Tools -> Change Browser Identifications -> <pick something> and tha tworks |
05:01.48 | Jucato | premier_: hm.. "gg:search term" in the location bar? |
05:01.51 | premier_ | actually, I wish konqueror was just always in web browser mode, even while veiwing files |
05:01.52 | aseigo | premier_: already exists |
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05:02.05 | premier_ | Jucato: I forget about that |
05:02.20 | premier_ | aseigo: what? browser emulation? |
05:02.35 | premier_ | aseigo: what I mean is, change the rendering engine to imitate ff |
05:02.38 | Jucato | being in web browser mode while being in file manager mode <-- doesn't make sense :) |
05:03.13 | premier_ | Jucato: what I mean is, konqueror likes to turn stuff on and off depending on what your doing. I'd rather just have one configuration |
05:03.24 | aseigo | premier_: no, being in web browser mode when viewing files |
05:03.33 | Contrast | So does anyone know if there's a way to make it so that no automatic changes are ever made to KMenu, without causing any problems? |
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05:03.49 | premier_ | Contrast: what automatic changes? |
05:03.50 | Andrew`` | can anyone tell me why KaudioCreator cant access the CDDB site for ruipping CD's to MP3s? |
05:03.52 | Shirakawasuna | aseigo: how would that look different? ;) |
05:04.07 | Contrast | When programs are installed/removed, etc. |
05:04.29 | premier_ | Contrast: why would you want it to stay the same? |
05:04.48 | aseigo | Shirakawasuna: yeah, i know |
05:04.56 | premier_ | aseigo: you know that ff has an extension to emulate ie6? Something like that would be cool |
05:05.13 | Shirakawasuna | whoops, that was intended for premier_ |
05:05.24 | Contrast | Because the automatic changes are giving me problems (double entries when I change the original, etc.). |
05:05.29 | Shirakawasuna | premier_: how would konqueror look different in the case you're mentioning? |
05:05.29 | premier_ | Shirakawasuna: well, for one thing, the search menu changes |
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05:05.52 | Shirakawasuna | premier_: you mean the plugin? |
05:05.58 | premier_ | take a look at this: http://www.newegg.com/ |
05:05.59 | Contrast | aseigo: I assume you're familiar with IEs4Linux? |
05:06.06 | Shirakawasuna | bah, gotta go work |
05:06.12 | Jucato | premier_: for one thing, IE has sort of like a KPart on Windows (I think it's called COM). So it's quite easy to embed that. Gecko, afaik, isn't |
05:06.42 | premier_ | if you hover over that button that says computer hardware, the drop down menu is hidden behind the advertisment? |
05:06.55 | Jucato | besides, it's one thing to just "embed" IE in Firefox, and quite another thing to make Firefox's UI completely work with what's embedded and vice versa |
05:06.57 | premier_ | is that correct konqueror behavior or is that a bug? |
05:07.11 | Jucato | what computer hardware button? |
05:07.21 | Jucato | ah wait |
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05:08.19 | Jucato | it might be a KHTML issue... better confirm with #khtml guys (I've been observing that for quite some time) |
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05:09.01 | Contrast | So no one knows how to keep automatic changes from being made to KMenu? |
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05:09.58 | premier_ | Contrast: I don't know, thats a weird error. I never uninstall stuff on my computer... I don't think theres a reason unless theres a conflict, which there never is |
05:10.10 | basanta | can kopete integrate webcam |
05:10.46 | Contrast | Hmm... Well, thanks anyway, premier_ |
05:10.57 | Contrast | aseigo: Any ideas? |
05:11.05 | premier_ | basanta: I think their introducing support for that |
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05:13.11 | basanta | premier_, is there any applications that already does |
05:13.41 | Contrast | basanta: For which protocols? |
05:14.01 | basanta | Contrast, msn |
05:14.26 | Contrast | Not sure. Have you tried Gaim/Pidgin? |
05:15.31 | SAS_Spidey01 | Theres got to be a better portable Multi protocol IM Client then Kopete and Pidgin.... |
05:16.00 | Contrast | Too bad Gyache's only for Yahoo |
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05:17.13 | sortadi_ | yes, amsn does webcams just fine |
05:17.15 | sortadi_ | try it |
05:17.38 | premier_ | basanta: you should try gaim... it seems to be the most mature |
05:18.06 | Contrast | nka Pidgin ;-) |
05:18.41 | Contrast | Because AO-hell got too touchy |
05:19.24 | Contrast | Well, I'm getting off here. G'nite, everyone. |
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05:27.12 | coobra | where is thew soun |
05:27.14 | coobra | heh |
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05:33.38 | basanta | any webcam viewer for kde ? |
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05:35.00 | bsdfox_ | hey anyone here setup fluxbox to run instead of kwin? |
05:36.02 | bsdfox_ | under kde, with amarok, firefox, konqueror, konsole open I idle at like 1.50 load avg and X uses 30-50% cpu. under fluxbox with the same programs open I idle at 0.00 load and X uses ~0.3% cpu |
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05:36.16 | bsdfox_ | :\ |
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05:42.09 | Smak | Anyone know how to add a string to a cell in openoffice? Like =SUM(A1+A2) + "Hello" ? |
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05:43.25 | Simeon_H | well... that's more of an openoffice question |
05:43.36 | Simeon_H | if it had to do with Koffice you could ask it here >_> |
05:43.42 | Smak | yea, bit desprate |
05:46.10 | premier_ | bsdfox_: idk, I have a good computer... it seems like I can run as many apps as i want, even amarok with a huge collection, and still have almost 0% cpu while idle |
05:46.42 | premier_ | which, btw, windows would not do ever |
05:46.47 | bsdfox_ | premier_: this is on an athlon64 3200+@2ghz w/ 1gb ram (had 2gb a couple weeks ago and had same problems) |
05:47.18 | premier_ | bsdfox_: maybe theres a bug... thats sounds like something wrong |
05:47.25 | bsdfox_ | premier_: that's what I'm thinking |
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05:47.36 | premier_ | you should be able to run kde just fine with only a few apps open |
05:47.42 | bsdfox_ | system runs great under fluxbox even with all those apps + kdesktop and kicker |
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05:48.14 | bsdfox_ | so I think kwin is really the only thing not loaded? |
05:48.28 | premier_ | bsdfox_: yeah, the high cost of stability is features... I'd rather use kde |
05:48.49 | premier_ | bsdfox_: maybe... theres probably something wrong |
05:48.49 | bsdfox_ | I have a 16mb pci TNT in here right now too.. think that has anything to do with it (doubtful)? |
05:49.19 | premier_ | bsdfox_: how does kde run when you have *nothing* but kwin running? |
05:49.28 | bsdfox_ | premier_: it's weird cause it's X using all the resources under KDE |
05:49.33 | premier_ | and, you know kdesktop, etc |
05:49.39 | bsdfox_ | premier_: hmm how would I start that? |
05:49.48 | premier_ | bsdfox_: well, somethings making X requests |
05:50.10 | bsdfox_ | oh just a base KDE session? with NOTHING open it idles at 0.00, if I open up anything it starts getting the load up (a lot of times it idles around 3.00 load) |
05:50.14 | premier_ | I'd think just close all the programs, close everything in the system tray... see what works |
05:50.31 | premier_ | anything? even like, kwrite or konsole? |
05:50.42 | bsdfox_ | definitely with konsole |
05:50.51 | bsdfox_ | not true under fluxbox which is weird |
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05:52.28 | Andrew`` | Can anyone suggest a CD Ripping Program for Suse? Also, a web page design program? |
05:52.55 | premier_ | Andrew``: well, supposedly k3b is the best |
05:53.04 | premier_ | I think its pretty nice |
05:53.20 | Andrew`` | does that rip CD's into MP3's? |
05:53.25 | premier_ | Andrew``: I'm sure theres lots of webpage designers out there |
05:53.28 | bsdfox_ | Andrew``: nvu or bluefish |
05:53.30 | Jucato | Andrew``: CD Ripping = k3b, kaudiocreator, konqueror |
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05:53.41 | Jucato | web design: Quanta, Nvu, etc. |
05:53.45 | premier_ | Andrew``: yeah, if you have mp3 support installed |
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05:55.32 | bsdfox_ | heh I can't get my system load over 0.8 in fluxbox :P couldn't get it that low with kwin |
05:55.34 | bsdfox_ | messed up |
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06:11.25 | MilhousePunkRock | Hello everyone! |
06:12.02 | txc | my qca build is crasing on the ssl thing. |
06:12.12 | MilhousePunkRock | I am lacking file size view in Konqueror on Gentoo (KDE 3.5.7, kde-base/startkde). Does anyone know if that is a plugin I need to install? |
06:12.44 | Jucato | MilhousePunkRock: konq-plugins |
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06:15.20 | MilhousePunkRock | Jucato: Hi and thanks... Is that the same as "kfile" plugins? Because I already installed some of those. |
06:15.37 | Jucato | no.it's different |
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06:16.31 | MilhousePunkRock | because kfile multimedia gave me the tag info for mp3 and kfile graphics thumbnail view in mouse over, just like i am used to it from kubuntu |
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06:17.53 | MilhousePunkRock | Jucato: Do you use Gentoo and Kubuntu on the same box, dual boot? |
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06:17.58 | Jucato | yes |
06:17.59 | vIkSiT | hi all |
06:18.06 | vIkSiT | does amarok have a dependency on python? |
06:18.13 | Jucato | on Ruby, afaik |
06:18.16 | vIkSiT | ah |
06:18.36 | MilhousePunkRock | Is there a real performance advantage from Gentoo's optimization? |
06:19.18 | Jucato | dunno really. haven't tried to bench mark things |
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06:19.56 | MilhousePunkRock | Jucato: If it's only noticeable in a benchmark, it's pretty much not there, huh? |
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06:25.25 | MilhousePunkRock | vIkSiT: Look here --> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Requirements |
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06:40.52 | premier_ | Hi, does anyone here use a Japanese -> English dictionary and can point me in the right direction? I installed a few dictionaries from the ubuntu repos but none of them seem to work |
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07:38.56 | oneforall | umm how do I stop kde from going to the blank screen like cli does ? |
07:39.27 | oneforall | I don't remmeber ever having to turn anything off on this box. But fresh install and 3.5.7 I get that O.o |
07:39.46 | oneforall | screensaver is off |
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07:46.35 | oneforall | DPMS don't have this in xorg.conf |
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07:52.06 | Chani | oneforall: power management settings maybe? |
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07:55.53 | oneforall | where are they ? |
07:55.56 | noiesmo | Hey all is kompmgr part of kde 3.5.7 |
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07:57.36 | Jucato | noiesmo: yes |
07:58.11 | noiesmo | Jucato, cheers asked in kubuntu first then realised should ask kde |
07:58.35 | noiesmo | Jucato, is there a way to disable it as beryl don't like it? |
07:59.04 | Jucato | KControl -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency tab |
07:59.21 | Jucato | or the equivalent location in System Settings |
07:59.49 | noiesmo | Jucato, cool I did turn that on after upgrading to 3.5.7 |
07:59.57 | noiesmo | Jucato, thanks for your help |
08:01.12 | Jucato | sure |
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08:16.00 | Andrew`` | Can anyone tell me where to change the bit rate that K3B uses to rip CD's to MP3s? |
08:16.02 | villr[]ye | Andrew``: that is set in the k3b ripping dialog. |
08:16.06 | villr[]ye | Andrew``: there is a dropdown box on the first screen of the ripping dialog which allows you to chenge bitrate settings |
08:19.00 | Andrew`` | villr[]ye: I am sorry I dont see that drop down box |
08:19.35 | villr[]ye | Andrew``: are you at the ripping screen right now? |
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08:21.11 | Andrew`` | sorry gotta go.. be called in to play tennis in 10 minutes |
08:21.17 | Andrew`` | be = been |
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08:30.21 | oneforall | or the monitor display managment ? thats of too |
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09:17.38 | oneforall | hey kde doesn't require hal tight ? you can use it or not? if it is installed is there some where in control to turn it off ? |
09:17.51 | oneforall | or is the only way not installing it |
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09:30.34 | amax | hi all |
09:30.43 | amax | <PROTECTED> |
09:30.49 | amax | <PROTECTED> |
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09:32.44 | amax | so... help me plz |
09:32.55 | amax | WARNING: Problem deleting stale lockfile /home/amax/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals.lock |
09:33.10 | waltercool | and restarting? |
09:33.12 | amax | many more messages like this |
09:33.35 | amax | my home mounted via cifs... from samba server |
09:33.52 | amax | all applications works fine, but kde doesnt |
09:33.58 | waltercool | restart and see |
09:34.07 | amax | any restarts |
09:34.08 | waltercool | if dont work... revdep-rebuild |
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09:34.50 | amax | hm.. ( no ideas how to fix that my error.. if home on local disk - all ok. |
09:35.20 | waltercool | if u want delete it, im sure about root can delete |
09:35.38 | amax | all ok with permissions |
09:35.52 | amax | it is problem with samba/locking style |
09:36.03 | amax | inode info I think |
09:36.12 | waltercool | mmm... idk how use very good samba :S |
09:36.17 | waltercool | sorry |
09:36.36 | amax | so no one to have solution for this, correct? |
09:37.04 | waltercool | maybe someone have... but nobody is avariable... i think |
09:37.27 | amax | i see |
09:37.28 | amax | pity |
09:41.00 | villr[]ye | amax: what's the problem? |
09:41.29 | villr[]ye | amax: ah. i see. no clue how to help sorry. |
09:41.48 | villr[]ye | amax: why not try deleting the file yourself? |
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09:47.27 | mardi | hi all, i have konqueror set to not display images but when I open a link within akregator it displays images. whasup? |
09:48.39 | villr[]ye | maybe akregator is hardcoded to use konqueror to display images. |
09:48.51 | Narishma | mardi: I think the settings are different between konqueror and akregator |
09:49.00 | villr[]ye | alternatively you may not have prevented konqueror from loading all image types |
09:49.09 | mardi | hrm |
09:49.27 | Jucato | which part of akregator exactly? the "preview" portion doesn't follow KHTML settings afaik |
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09:50.43 | mardi | Jucato: i have akregator set to open clicked links in a new tab, within itself. that's where i'd like to not see images |
09:51.14 | mardi | i'm not bothered about a few mug shots in the preview portion |
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09:51.35 | Jucato | mardi: have you restarted akregator after you've made the changes in Konqueror? |
09:51.47 | amax | villr[]ye the problem is |
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09:52.01 | amax | kde don;t functioning properly |
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09:52.09 | amax | if my home is mounted via cifs |
09:52.18 | nox-Hand | igli: welcome to doom :) Doooooom! :D |
09:52.22 | amax | just hangs on startup |
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09:52.41 | amax | on each place where .lock file are created |
09:53.03 | mardi | Jucato: well ya see.. that's part of the issue. I've had images turned off in konqi for a few weeks and i was not seeing images in akregator, which is what i want, until today, when akregartor decides it will show them on it's own. I've changed nothing in konqi |
09:53.03 | igli | hi kde no longer logs in as user, but works as root. as user hangs on initialising system services; i have reinstalled kdelibs, no luck. 3.5.5 on gentoo |
09:53.03 | villr[]ye | amax: so kde is on a network drive? |
09:53.15 | amax | no |
09:53.22 | amax | only my home |
09:53.29 | amax | kde installed locally |
09:53.32 | amax | kubuntu |
09:53.36 | Jucato | mardi: hm... in that case I'm not sure what's going on then... |
09:53.46 | amax | just mounting my home via cifs |
09:53.47 | villr[]ye | ok. your home dir is on a network drive. |
09:53.52 | amax | yes sure |
09:53.59 | knoppix | gentoo ruls |
09:54.12 | amax | the huge problem with kde.. |
09:54.17 | amax | with .lock files |
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09:54.20 | mardi | aye, it's odd, i've double checked that images are still off in konqi, akregator is/has always been set to use konqi for opening links... |
09:54.39 | pparker | hello everyone |
09:54.42 | igli | as user kded takes up 100% of cpu, not so as root |
09:54.57 | villr[]ye | amax: I'm assuming this worked at one point in time. but if you're mounting network drives, why aren't you using nfs? |
09:55.10 | villr[]ye | pparker: giorgos you rat bastard. |
09:55.12 | amax | nfs isn't secured |
09:55.25 | amax | b/c it can't do per user mounts |
09:55.28 | villr[]ye | pparker: wth are you doind here? :-) |
09:55.42 | amax | and any workstation is not secured andpoint |
09:55.46 | amax | endpoint |
09:56.04 | amax | need to share /home/$user over network |
09:56.13 | pparker | i know konqueror is able to open iso images using kio protocols with a syntax like "iso:/myfile.iso" |
09:56.14 | amax | now it good with pam_mount |
09:56.19 | villr[]ye | amax: google it. |
09:56.21 | amax | all works well but kde not |
09:56.22 | pparker | it works (tm) |
09:56.28 | amax | google empty with this issue |
09:56.37 | amax | seems to be a kde logic bug |
09:56.40 | villr[]ye | amax: so'm i. |
09:56.45 | pparker | but how to use this kio protocol by default |
09:56.46 | amax | 1. lock files NOT in tmp dir |
09:56.51 | pparker | ? |
09:56.57 | amax | 2. bugged funtions for lock files |
09:57.03 | villr[]ye | amax: file a bug reprt. but check to see if it's been filed before. |
09:57.19 | amax | 3. it not uses $KDETMP and so on.. |
09:57.47 | igli | kde no longer works as user - hangs on initialising system services; i have reinstalled kdelibs, no luck. 3.5.5 on gentoo |
09:57.58 | igli | any ideas on what i can check? |
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10:01.45 | pparker | villr[]ye: any ideas ? |
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10:05.02 | villr[]ye | pparker: you'd like to use kio iso:// to open iso files by default? |
10:05.11 | pparker | exactly |
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10:05.43 | pparker | but i don't know how |
10:06.04 | villr[]ye | i don't know thinks that's possible. |
10:06.27 | pparker | why not ? |
10:06.36 | villr[]ye | I think you'd need a service menu to do that type of thing. |
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10:07.23 | villr[]ye | pparker: because a far as I know, you can't assigned kioslaves in the filetype manager dialog, only apps and kparts |
10:08.07 | pparker | it works with pdf,zip,tar.gz |
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10:09.27 | Jefis | http://www.speedyshare.com/917927496.html Check this out, and tell me what you think :) |
10:09.29 | villr[]ye | pparker: Check the filetype manager in kcontrol, go to the Embedding section, and see if you can duplicate the settings there in order to use iso:// |
10:09.52 | villr[]ye | pparker: i'm not in linux right now so I can't check myself. |
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10:13.09 | Jefis | Anyone? |
10:14.57 | villr[]ye | morning annma |
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10:16.56 | Jefis | villr[]ye: check my kde4 mockup :) |
10:16.56 | annma | hi! |
10:17.07 | villr[]ye | Jefis: i just did. |
10:17.08 | annma | Jefis: kde4 mockup? |
10:17.15 | annma | for what? |
10:17.25 | villr[]ye | http://www.speedyshare.com/917927496.html |
10:17.32 | Jefis | am, simple widget i think it would be useful |
10:17.53 | Jefis | villr[]ye: what you think? |
10:17.55 | villr[]ye | annma: stuff kuiserver would do i think. |
10:18.12 | annma | let me look |
10:18.50 | villr[]ye | Jefis: i think the icon needs work, the speeds for downloading actions should be shown but the idea is very good. |
10:19.09 | villr[]ye | Jefis: it also been proposed before :-) |
10:19.30 | annma | yes it's not new |
10:19.34 | Jefis | i now, but i'm trying to make it work :) |
10:19.37 | villr[]ye | back in the dark days when KDE 4 was but a thought in the minds of us mere mortals. |
10:19.41 | annma | ok that's good |
10:19.52 | annma | if you want a tester I am running kde4 |
10:20.10 | villr[]ye | annma: did libs monday break anything yesterday? |
10:20.20 | villr[]ye | i didn't try. i was scared :-D |
10:20.28 | villr[]ye | that and i forgot ... |
10:20.41 | annma | no, it all builds nicely |
10:20.54 | annma | did you update qt-copy last week? |
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10:21.13 | villr[]ye | annma: yeah. kdepimlibs was bitching at me so i had to. |
10:21.16 | Jefis | i don't see many differences between 3 and 4 for now... |
10:21.19 | villr[]ye | pardon my french :-) |
10:21.29 | annma | ;) |
10:21.32 | annma | Jefis: ? |
10:21.57 | Jefis | can you give me totaly great screenshots? |
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10:22.19 | Jefis | i was taking tour at shots.osdir.com i guess, but it didn't impress me much |
10:22.28 | premier_ | Hi, has anyone tried the kde4 liveCD? |
10:22.28 | Jucato | does your concept of "difference" only include "appearance"? |
10:22.41 | Jefis | yes :) |
10:22.52 | Jucato | time for a reality check, then :) |
10:22.54 | villr[]ye | annma: I'm not really planning on building it that much anymore. it's not like there's anything useful I can contribute now anyways :-/ |
10:23.01 | Jucato | anyway, it's a WIP |
10:23.07 | annma | villr[]ye: why not? |
10:23.28 | annma | you should do like me, try your hands on some plasmoids |
10:23.31 | Jucato | Jefis: better check planetkde.org and dot.kde.org for the latest screencasts, specially kwin_composite and plasma |
10:23.36 | villr[]ye | annma: because I'm still on chapter 1 of C++ Primer :-) |
10:23.42 | Jucato | heh! |
10:24.25 | Jefis | Jucato: saw that with kwin, that was amazing :) |
10:24.25 | Jucato | I couldn't get the latest edition of the book here :( |
10:24.25 | premier_ | I'm buring the iso right now... It won't damage my computer, right? (with alpha software, you don't know) |
10:24.25 | villr[]ye | annma: that sounds cool actually. but what would I make... |
10:24.25 | Jucato | At least I finished Ch 8 of my C++ book |
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10:24.25 | villr[]ye | annma: are old applets being converted over? |
10:24.26 | Jucato | villr[]ye: you could always participate in the HIG Hunting Season |
10:24.31 | villr[]ye | Jucato: EW |
10:24.37 | Jucato | ?? |
10:24.48 | annma | villr[]ye: old applets? |
10:24.52 | villr[]ye | ew. asin, yuck. |
10:24.57 | Jucato | why? |
10:25.15 | Jucato | (btw, if you mean kicker applets, then no, I don't think so. kicker is going to be killed) |
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10:25.22 | villr[]ye | annma: are old kicker applets being converted to plasmoids. maybe i could do that. because I have no ideas on new applets. |
10:25.47 | annma | to convert old applets you need to understand new system villr[]ye |
10:25.51 | annma | what applet for ex? |
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10:26.41 | villr[]ye | annma: I don't think I'd have a problem understanding the new system. |
10:27.09 | villr[]ye | annma: just curious as to what I could do if I did want to write plasmoids. |
10:27.16 | Jucato | villr[]ye: head on over to #plasma if you feel the urge :) |
10:27.22 | annma | ah chapter 1 on C++ |
10:27.28 | annma | I see |
10:27.30 | villr[]ye | already there. :-) |
10:27.38 | villr[]ye | YES. I art teh noob. |
10:27.43 | annma | seems a bit thin on C++ |
10:27.52 | villr[]ye | well, not totally. but pretty much. |
10:27.54 | Jucato | btw, hi annma! :) |
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10:28.11 | annma | hi Jucato :) |
10:28.31 | annma | villr[]ye: take an "old" applet and recode it as a plasmoid |
10:28.50 | villr[]ye | annma: like the systray? |
10:29.03 | circuslemon | hi |
10:29.03 | annma | lol no |
10:29.15 | annma | the systray is not for a C++ noob |
10:29.20 | villr[]ye | but klipper needs someplace to live :-D |
10:29.44 | annma | if you have never contributed to kde the best is to contribure some Krazy or dashboard fixes |
10:29.51 | villr[]ye | annma: taskbar? |
10:30.07 | annma | no, this stuff is above your level probably |
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10:30.33 | annma | I don't see how you would do it, except if you're a programming genius |
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10:31.05 | canllaith | Yeah, the systray is a really horrible bit of code |
10:31.11 | villr[]ye | I'm no genius, but I am familiar w/ C++. And persistent :-D |
10:31.17 | canllaith | Entirely to do with the nasty X11 'standard' it's built for, not so much the fault of KDE |
10:31.39 | villr[]ye | canllaith: annma , oh not the systray. i gave up on that when you said no. the taskbar. |
10:31.46 | villr[]ye | that seems "simple" |
10:31.54 | annma | surely not |
10:32.22 | villr[]ye | annma: and I can't find the apidox. shouldn't they be on the EBN? |
10:32.34 | annma | villr[]ye: it's code in developing |
10:32.42 | annma | tat's why I say it's not "simple" |
10:32.54 | annma | the whole desktop concept is in building |
10:33.10 | annma | so the "taskbar" is not defined I think |
10:33.29 | Sho_ | annma: the taskbar might be managable, the hard code is bottled up in a lib |
10:33.32 | bram85 | EBN does not contain docs |
10:33.41 | annma | if you want to go for that sort of stuff you have to coordinate with the plasma team |
10:34.00 | annma | Sho_: the guy is in ch++ Primer |
10:34.11 | annma | capter 1 C++ |
10:34.14 | villr[]ye | annma: see i told you there wasn't anything i could contribute now :-) |
10:34.15 | annma | +h |
10:34.34 | annma | villr[]ye: I told you what: simple plasloids or Krazy checks |
10:34.51 | annma | there's always something for everyone |
10:35.03 | villr[]ye | annma: what simple plasmoids? |
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10:35.14 | annma | villr[]ye: I don't know, have some ideas |
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10:36.14 | villr[]ye | not a one. |
10:36.28 | villr[]ye | well, none that I think i could do now. |
10:36.54 | annma | well maybe you have to think about it |
10:37.06 | annma | and not just say "I have none" |
10:37.18 | annma | for ex I did one to display a pic in a frame |
10:37.27 | annma | extended to display a pic from the internet |
10:37.46 | annma | seems trivial but nothing is |
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10:37.59 | villr[]ye | ain't that the truth. |
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10:38.34 | annma | youcan do a Wikipedia search applet, a mp3 player one, a weather displayer,.... |
10:38.44 | sasha_ | Hi to all |
10:38.46 | Mek | an icecream monitor plasmoid would be cool :P |
10:38.53 | annma | just press my "On" button and I'll give you more ideas |
10:39.04 | villr[]ye | lol |
10:39.05 | annma | icemon? |
10:39.20 | annma | just remove the windecos? |
10:40.09 | villr[]ye | windecos? |
10:40.11 | sasha_ | Where can i get some cool icon packages for KDE 3.5 |
10:40.20 | villr[]ye | sasha_: kde-look.org |
10:40.27 | sasha_ | Thanks |
10:40.41 | villr[]ye | np sasha_ |
10:40.57 | annma | Mek: take icemon and remove the win decos? |
10:41.44 | Mek | yeah.. perhaps that would indeed be usable as well :) |
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10:43.52 | villr[]ye | now I have to get up, go to my other 'puter and log in. |
10:44.23 | villr[]ye | I was all comfy too |
10:44.40 | villr[]ye | annma: after I finish chapter one I will try some KRazy fixes |
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10:45.07 | villr[]ye | documentation fixes seem easy enough :-) |
10:47.12 | annma | ;) hehe |
10:47.20 | annma | you might be surprized!!! |
10:47.42 | annma | no, I am kidding, they are mostly easy and useful |
10:47.52 | Jucato | somehow, "documentation" and "easy" in the same sentence doesn't sound right :) |
10:47.58 | tuxick | why not? |
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10:48.26 | annma | tuxick: if writing doc was easy we would have good docs |
10:48.29 | villr[]ye | well i've written whole docs before so fixing up some broken ones (while boring) won't be a problem. |
10:48.38 | annma | cool, for KDE? |
10:48.41 | Jucato | fortunately, we have people like annma :D |
10:48.46 | villr[]ye | yeah |
10:48.48 | annma | lol, no |
10:48.53 | annma | villr[]ye: cool! |
10:48.54 | tuxick | annma: good docs exist |
10:49.06 | annma | tuxick: name one? |
10:49.10 | villr[]ye | lol |
10:49.10 | tuxick | but i agree writing good docs isn't easy |
10:49.20 | Jucato | annma: name one... the KDE theming guide? :D |
10:49.22 | tuxick | annma: gentoo has pretty good documentation |
10:49.23 | Jucato | j/k :D |
10:49.25 | villr[]ye | gentoo docs a good |
10:49.27 | tuxick | the subversion handbool |
10:49.29 | villr[]ye | *are |
10:49.31 | annma | tuxick: I am referring of kde |
10:49.34 | Jucato | :) |
10:49.44 | tuxick | kde docs sounds like developer docs? |
10:49.47 | villr[]ye | quanta manual |
10:49.52 | Jucato | tuxick: no |
10:49.52 | villr[]ye | konversation manual |
10:49.53 | annma | gentoo needs good docs anyway, considering the advanture |
10:50.01 | tuxick | oh well, bbl |
10:50.54 | cbr | i had a torrent that was not completely downloaded but the space was allocated @ ktorrent.. but now it tells me that the data is faulty :S |
10:51.14 | annma | how come, faulty? |
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10:52.52 | cbr | oh wait.. it actually wrongly remembered the dir it was downloading to |
10:52.57 | _root | hi |
10:53.01 | Jucato | Sho_: would you happen to know if the extragear stuff for KDE 3 are now in branches rather than trunk? |
10:53.09 | cbr | it used to be /media/dir but now he looked in /media/dir/dir |
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10:53.43 | Sho_ | Jucato: No, all this talk we had about moving a few days ago and me updating the Konvi SVN ebuild for you was just for show |
10:54.30 | Jucato | Sho_: oh. I didn't actually know that you meant moving it to branches... sorry :/ |
10:54.47 | villr[]ye | cbr: sounds like you opened the torrent file twice |
10:55.20 | Sho_ | Jucato: Just look at the #konversation topic or the updated SVN instructions |
10:56.12 | villr[]ye | wth are you apologizing for him being an ass? |
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10:56.27 | villr[]ye | methinks it should be the other way around... |
10:56.42 | Jucato | villr[]ye: um... not really |
10:57.02 | Jucato | Sho_ is my friend so... |
10:57.08 | villr[]ye | your choice. do as thou wilt. |
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10:57.41 | villr[]ye | ah. well to the unsuspecting bystander that seemed a bit... terse is the word i'm looking for? |
10:58.18 | annma | canllaith: first admin stuff! congrats! |
10:59.23 | Sho_ | villr[]ye: I'm sorry if I seemed arrogant, I was mostly giving Jucato a bit of a hard time because he asked something he already knew because we had discussed it previously ;) |
10:59.43 | canllaith | annma: *blush* where did you see that ? |
10:59.51 | annma | in #kde-commits |
10:59.53 | Jucato | (but I honestly didn't know that it was a move from trunk to branches...) |
10:59.56 | canllaith | annma: :) |
10:59.57 | annma | ;) |
11:00.07 | villr[]ye | Sho_: don't mind me. things get lost over text. |
11:01.29 | Sho_ | To recap: All the KDE3 extragear apps have moved from trunk/extragear to branches/extragear/kde3; scripty continues to update the translation files in trunk/l10n, however, because there's already a trunk/l10n-kde4 so they don't conflict and it wasn't necessary to have the translators all switch to a new location |
11:01.47 | Sho_ | The apps will move back to trunk/extragear as they're ported to 4 |
11:02.11 | tanamo | where can i find librdf? i will try to compile kde4 eh... |
11:02.27 | annma | tanamo: ask your distro channel |
11:02.32 | annma | tanamo: ah np |
11:02.33 | Sho_ | tanamo: librdf.org |
11:02.36 | annma | Redland |
11:03.15 | tanamo | ah redland |
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11:03.21 | annma | tanamo: follow techbase doc |
11:03.29 | annma | it's mentioned ont he page |
11:03.31 | sercik_ | in which dir kde saves color schemes? |
11:03.32 | tanamo | bec the link in the techbase has so many packages |
11:03.37 | tanamo | i mean tar.gz |
11:03.45 | annma | what is your distro? |
11:03.48 | tanamo | raptor, rasqal |
11:03.56 | annma | raptor? |
11:03.58 | tanamo | slackware |
11:04.12 | Chani | oh god, I found another webcomic |
11:04.16 | annma | ah so install the more possible libs from your distro |
11:04.22 | Chani | so much for getting stuff done... |
11:04.38 | tanamo | http://download.librdf.org/source/ --- this link |
11:04.42 | Sho_ | sercik_: ~/.kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes |
11:05.05 | tanamo | should i get all those tar.gz files? |
11:05.19 | sercik_ | thank you! |
11:06.11 | sercik_ | no |
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11:06.17 | sercik_ | that directory doesn't exist |
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11:06.33 | canllaith | sercik_: make it. |
11:06.53 | sercik_ | but i want to import a color schema from another linux distro i have installed |
11:07.15 | canllaith | That's probably going to be in the global directory then |
11:07.26 | sercik_ | where? |
11:07.29 | canllaith | Which should be `kdeconfig --prefix`/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes |
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11:07.33 | canllaith | (note the backticks) |
11:07.51 | sercik_ | ah ok |
11:07.55 | sercik_ | i have found |
11:08.01 | sercik_ | they are under /usr/share |
11:08.07 | canllaith | annma: Although I have a confession to make. That was not actually my first commit. |
11:08.07 | sercik_ | ............. |
11:08.16 | Jucato | sercik_: you have to be more specific with your questions, you know :) |
11:08.26 | canllaith | ... my first one was changing my own SVN commit key because I forgot the passphrase for the 50th time |
11:08.27 | annma | canllaith: ;) |
11:08.41 | Sho_ | canllaith: "kde-config" btw |
11:08.50 | villr[]ye | screen within screen. this shall be interesting |
11:08.51 | canllaith | I know, it was a typo. |
11:08.53 | Sho_ | so: cd $(kde-config --prefix)/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes |
11:08.58 | canllaith | villr[]ye: argh don't do it!! |
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11:09.10 | villr[]ye | canllaith: will bad things happen? }-) |
11:09.16 | canllaith | villr[]ye: It's just awkward |
11:09.18 | annma | tanamo: you take redland tar |
11:09.20 | villr[]ye | sincei it's already done. |
11:09.26 | Sho_ | sercik_: You can import color schemes via the Import button in KControl |
11:09.27 | annma | tanamo: only that one |
11:09.29 | villr[]ye | oh. well i can take awkward. |
11:09.33 | canllaith | Think about it - everything you want to send to the inner screen needs to be done so in a way it doesn't get to the outer one... |
11:09.35 | Jucato | is it like running irssi in konversation's konsole tab? |
11:09.36 | Sho_ | sercik_: It will be imported into your home dir, under the path I initially gave you |
11:09.38 | villr[]ye | i was born that way :-) |
11:09.40 | canllaith | So you need to ^aa instead of ^a etc |
11:09.48 | tanamo | annma: ah thanks, |
11:10.09 | tanamo | annma: how about the others? raptor... etc... |
11:10.20 | annma | that's not Redland |
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11:10.30 | annma | you need librdf = Redland |
11:10.32 | villr[]ye | canllaith: well thanks for the tip. now i know how to make it work :-D |
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11:10.48 | tanamo | annma: ah ok thanks, |
11:10.56 | villr[]ye | canllaith: it does take some getting used to, but hey. it works! |
11:11.00 | sercik_ | i have simply copied it |
11:11.06 | sercik_ | ok thanks for the help |
11:12.29 | sercik_ | and ehre are window decorations? |
11:13.59 | canllaith | =) |
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11:19.48 | villr[]ye | canllaith: i see there's also some lag time involved with screen executing these commands when over ssh. |
11:19.50 | villr[]ye | bonus. |
11:19.59 | canllaith | Why are you doing screen in screen? :) |
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11:20.38 | villr[]ye | well i'm on my laptop c++ing and ssh-ing into my build machine. screen 1. |
11:21.09 | villr[]ye | then I'm on my building machine building with one account kdetest, and svn updateing with my other. screen 2 |
11:21.44 | villr[]ye | trés convoluted, non ? |
11:22.27 | qupada | could be worse. when you've ssh'ed through a chain of say 4 or 5 servers to get to the target machine, then you have convolution |
11:23.01 | canllaith | workstation -> DMZ -> ssh gateway -> kerberos master -> customer server |
11:23.09 | canllaith | and occasionally it's all that and another hop |
11:23.21 | qupada | DMZ's are great at causing it, aren't they? |
11:23.34 | villr[]ye | hey, whatever gets the job done ;-) |
11:23.34 | canllaith | Yep. |
11:23.57 | canllaith | and there is no screen on any of the boxes =) |
11:24.00 | villr[]ye | or in my case whatever gets the job done with minimal effort |
11:24.06 | canllaith | So if my connection times out or I need another window to do something in |
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11:24.17 | canllaith | I need to go through allll those hops again. |
11:24.20 | villr[]ye | suckage |
11:24.48 | qupada | in any case you only want screen one one machine, if you try stacking them you lose all control over which instance of screen you're sending the command to |
11:25.39 | qupada | another fun thing is trying to reattach one screen session inside another. poor app gets terribly confused |
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11:27.37 | canllaith | Yeah, I'd want it on the ssh gateway |
11:28.39 | villr[]ye | "SSH: Your portal to the world" |
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11:30.10 | sercik_ | how can i import kde window decoration from another linux on my harddisk?? |
11:30.14 | villr[]ye | I feel sick... |
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11:30.26 | canllaith | sercik_: Not easily |
11:30.43 | canllaith | Those are not just plain text files but compiled code |
11:30.44 | villr[]ye | sercik_: I would strongly advise against it |
11:30.48 | canllaith | you may find it easier to grab it from kde-look.org |
11:31.07 | villr[]ye | it's possible but can cause all sorts of trouble. |
11:31.16 | villr[]ye | just do what canllaith suggests |
11:32.18 | canllaith | Wow, gtk-qt engine has gotten pretty good since the last time I tried it |
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11:32.41 | Sho_ | Unfortunately it has a hard time with Domino's scrollbars |
11:32.49 | qupada | yeah, i wouldn't go without it. i use gimp a lot, and it looks UGLY without |
11:33.10 | Sho_ | villr[]ye: hm? |
11:33.21 | sercik_ | ok i'll find that themes on .deb and i'll install |
11:33.24 | canllaith | I normally use qt-curve, which is not the prettiest style ever (I find it a little chunky) but matches well |
11:33.31 | canllaith | Unfortunately I can't use gtk-qt at work |
11:33.37 | canllaith | Too many java applications that pretend to be GTK |
11:33.43 | Sho_ | Qt-Curve also has a GTK version though |
11:33.46 | villr[]ye | Sho_: j/k. I said that because domino is the only style it doesn't work with. |
11:33.48 | villr[]ye | so far |
11:34.06 | canllaith | Sho_: Yes, that was sort of my point :) |
11:34.11 | qupada | yeah, that's what turned me off qtcurve. i use 7pt fonts for most things and qtcurve makes buttons and things about 3 times the height of the text on them |
11:34.17 | canllaith | Yep |
11:34.23 | canllaith | and I like tiny interfaces |
11:34.24 | Sho_ | villr[]ye: Domino's scrollbars are fairly unusual I guess in the way the grippie and the buttons interact |
11:35.02 | villr[]ye | I have an idea! |
11:35.09 | villr[]ye | like seriously though. |
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11:35.30 | canllaith | domino is a super pretty style, I wish I could ditch firefox and use it =) |
11:35.31 | villr[]ye | for KDE4 we should do gorilla marketting and shite |
11:35.50 | qupada | that's guerilla, i think you'll find |
11:35.51 | villr[]ye | have user contributed videos showing of what KDE can do. |
11:36.08 | villr[]ye | qupada: true. but harder to spell in a pinch :-D |
11:36.09 | qupada | gorrilla marketing works too... people eating leaves and beating their chests with their fists |
11:36.27 | villr[]ye | basically rip off the get firefox campaign to suit our own needs |
11:36.38 | villr[]ye | it would be awesome! |
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11:37.20 | Sho_ | After Domino 0.3 I helped the author fix various bugs that annoyed me, and then switched ... no way back now :) |
11:37.29 | Sho_ | villr[]ye: We did sort of try with the SpreadKDE site |
11:37.48 | villr[]ye | j/k :-D |
11:37.51 | canllaith | It's a truly beautiful style |
11:37.56 | coobra | hmma |
11:38.08 | villr[]ye | argh. my previous message got eaten. |
11:38.09 | canllaith | Although I kinda like polyester - not so much the blue but the green and orange colour scheme |
11:38.16 | coobra | to load new thems what do i need then |
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11:38.21 | Sho_ | At the heart of Mozilla's grassroots campaign for Firefox was the spreadfirefox.com community hub, which really worked remarkably well |
11:38.38 | villr[]ye | i said "never heard of it" to Sho_ before saying j/k |
11:38.40 | villr[]ye | canllaith: yah. me too |
11:38.54 | villr[]ye | canllaith: that's been the style on my K desktop for ages now |
11:39.26 | Sho_ | Polyester is a bit too shiny for me from what I know, I prefer matte |
11:39.48 | qupada | well i have to admit, domino is one of the better styles i've seen (just looked at it for the first time now). i personally don't do the whole integrated window and titlebar thing, but as far as being not overdone/too shiny/just plain ugly it's pretty good |
11:39.51 | Sho_ | http://www.eikehein.com/domino4.png are my settings |
11:40.03 | villr[]ye | Sho_: I think we (me, myself and ANYONE else who wants to) should seriously start. |
11:40.16 | villr[]ye | villr[]ye: I should talk to the KDe-promo folks. |
11:40.26 | villr[]ye | I'll do it! |
11:40.32 | villr[]ye | who's coming with me...? |
11:40.43 | coobra | hmma |
11:41.00 | canllaith | You could always talk to me about it |
11:41.02 | canllaith | physos as well |
11:41.04 | villr[]ye | spreadkde.org is dead. |
11:41.07 | villr[]ye | suckage |
11:41.11 | canllaith | hah yes. |
11:41.29 | villr[]ye | canllaith: is there a current kde-promo crew? |
11:41.34 | Sho_ | The domain expired and wasn't renewed, I think .. |
11:41.37 | canllaith | Sure is |
11:41.40 | Sho_ | villr[]ye: Sure, they're quite active too |
11:41.41 | canllaith | Sho_: hah, look at the whois... |
11:42.03 | physos | villr[]ye: there is work underway to get things back on rail with spreadkde, people are overworked and the circumstances were against a smooth handling of things. |
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11:42.32 | canllaith | There is a mailing list (kde-promo@kde.org) and an IRC channel (#kde-promo) |
11:42.47 | canllaith | If you actually came up with some content, I'm someone who is able to get it onto a KDE website for you. |
11:42.57 | coobra | is there gimp in kde ? |
11:43.00 | qupada | hmm, 4:42am in the timezone of the domain contact. will resist calling him from skype ;) |
11:43.06 | villr[]ye | canllaith: content? |
11:43.12 | apokryphos | coobra: you can use gimp in kde if you like |
11:43.18 | Mek | coobra: there is krita in kde! :P |
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11:43.25 | apokryphos | coobra: though kde/koffice has krita, which is the kde image manipulator |
11:43.27 | canllaith | As in yknow, some articles or videos or whatever |
11:43.27 | coobra | ohh |
11:43.29 | Sho_ | coobra: There's Krita in KOffice, that's a nice raster graphics app |
11:43.43 | coobra | ohh thanks all |
11:43.44 | coobra | :D |
11:44.36 | physos | Sho_: well, spreadkde.org was never used the same way as spreadfirefox. And the fact we do not have the same distribution channel available, makes copying the spreadfirefoy approach (download firefox, it is cool) not easy to adopt. |
11:45.01 | Sho_ | physos: yeah |
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11:45.27 | villr[]ye | physos: but we can market the shit out of it. |
11:45.31 | Sho_ | A standalone app is far easier to sell as a lifestyle thing than a platform |
11:45.37 | Sho_ | The barrier of entry is just lower |
11:45.49 | villr[]ye | I mean seriously, potty mouth aside, we have a bunch of people in here each day asking about kde. |
11:45.55 | canllaith | We already market the heck about it |
11:46.06 | canllaith | I've spent most of the last 3 years doing just that |
11:46.14 | canllaith | I'm not saying we can't do with more |
11:46.21 | canllaith | but it's not like it's a dead area there isn't a lot of work already being put into |
11:46.33 | villr[]ye | why not give the people what they want? We have dot articles which can be posted to other sites. We have video one pko which hardly anyone except developers see. |
11:47.01 | villr[]ye | there's the commit digest. it just seems like enough people aren't getting what's already out there. |
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11:47.13 | kosta | hi |
11:47.16 | canllaith | So write something. |
11:47.29 | kosta | how do I make firefox open by default when KDE apps call for a browser? |
11:47.30 | villr[]ye | canllaith: well i didn't mean to imply that. i don't think that's the case. |
11:47.32 | canllaith | Video something. Create some content, if it's any good I can promise you I can get it seen. |
11:58.28 | villr[]ye | canllaith: i just think there needs to be more... WOW. LOOK AT ME. I' M IN CAPS. |
11:58.29 | canllaith | kosta: KDE Control Centre, go into KDE Components -> Default Applications |
11:58.29 | canllaith | you can put firefox in as the webbrowser |
11:58.29 | villr[]ye | a least every now and then. some pomp and circumstance. |
11:58.29 | canllaith | villr[]ye: So write it ! |
11:58.29 | canllaith | Or rather, write some more of it |
11:58.29 | apokryphos | villr[]ye: part of the issue is of course the long wait for kde4 |
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11:58.30 | apokryphos | but of course it's not like there's been a lack of hype for it |
11:58.31 | villr[]ye | canllaith: But I don't want to do it. I want US to do it. I mean get the rest of the community involved. |
11:58.31 | apokryphos | the hype you're talking about should of course reach maximum level at kde4 release |
11:58.32 | kosta | canllaith: thanks |
11:58.32 | canllaith | villr[]ye: No, it starts with -you- |
11:58.32 | physos | apokryphos: hype? I only see solid facts :) |
11:58.33 | canllaith | Who is this magical 'us' that's going to do it ? :) |
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11:58.36 | canllaith | It's you, and me, and lots of other people writing and putting together content. |
11:58.36 | kosta | just checking: http://google.com |
11:58.38 | apokryphos | physos: hype doesn't have to be void of facts |
11:58.38 | canllaith | That's how these things happen. 'Wow we should build a community' isn't enough. You need to build a community. |
11:58.39 | apokryphos | thinking too much of ubuntu there 8) |
11:58.39 | villr[]ye | canllaith: but I think I should e-mail the list |
11:58.40 | villr[]ye | this is going to be long, and drawn out and boring otherwise. |
11:58.40 | villr[]ye | well, maybe not boring. i'm anything b ut :-D |
11:58.40 | canllaith | apokryphos: hype does not have good connotations to Germans |
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11:58.41 | stinger_au | yo |
11:58.41 | canllaith | villr[]ye: The list already exists because that idea already occured to them |
11:58.43 | canllaith | That's why they're there. |
11:58.43 | stinger_au | why is that under kdektop it only shows 50 hz fore refresh rate for me ? |
11:58.44 | apokryphos | canllaith: hype is incredibly powerful. It's the reason ubuntu is that big |
11:58.44 | villr[]ye | I think you see what I mean when I send the e-mail. Forgive me, it will be long. |
11:58.46 | apokryphos | and part of the reason gnome has grown as it has |
11:58.48 | canllaith | apokryphos: It's just the choice of word he doesn't like. |
11:58.49 | canllaith | I've run up against this quite a few times :) |
11:58.50 | qupada | stinger_au: XRandR is pretty weird |
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11:58.53 | Jefis | canllaith: want to see my video? :) |
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11:58.56 | qupada | stinger_au: i get a choice of 51Hz or 52Hz in kde, no matter which i choose my monitor tells me it's refreshing at 75 |
11:59.02 | stinger_au | qupada, same but is it really running at 75 hz ? |
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11:59.03 | qupada | stinger_au: seems to be |
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11:59.04 | qupada | stinger_au: i can tell the difference between 60 and 75 with the monitor i have, and it definately is doing the latter |
12:00.11 | canllaith | The lack of your eyes bleeding being the bit that gives it away qupada ? :P |
12:00.12 | stinger_au | k seems werid that kdekstop does not give you any other options |
12:00.21 | qupada | canllaith: actually i have an lcd, but dragging windows and stuff across the screen looks kinda jerky at 60 |
12:00.23 | qupada | stinger_au: most modern monitors won't even sync at 50Hz, i think it's pretty safe to say that it's not attempting it |
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12:00.32 | canllaith | :) |
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12:00.33 | canllaith | Wow that's a lot of joins and parts... |
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12:00.37 | qupada | i've been parting a bit tonight. means i have fun things planned for tomorrow; going up into the roof to replace the last few pieces of phone wiring we were too lazy to last time |
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12:00.38 | stinger_au | qupada, it just when i move a console around with glz on the sides flicker a bit so i am thinking its a refresh rate thing |
12:00.39 | qupada | and moving a few of the others further away from the electrical wiring |
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12:01.19 | villr[]ye | lag is the mindkiller |
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12:01.22 | physos | is that a split or some scanscript going on a crusade? |
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12:01.32 | qupada | it's just a standard feature of channels with this many users |
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12:04.53 | villr[]ye | canllaith: hey my wireless dropped it's signal so i was out troubleshooting that (miserably) |
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12:05.00 | villr[]ye | I read what you apokryphos, and physos said and I totally agree |
12:05.10 | villr[]ye | And will write... something. |
12:05.45 | physos | apokryphos: as canllaith, perheaps this is a german thing, but hypes generate some light scepcicism around here. |
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12:05.48 | villr[]ye | as soon as i get my connection to the desktop machine back :-D |
12:06.10 | canllaith | physos: I'm fairly certain it is - the negative aspect of the word seems to resonate most strongly in German speakers |
12:06.11 | villr[]ye | physos: how about enthusiasm in the boosiasm ? ;-) |
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12:06.20 | apokryphos | physos: it can be negative when it's baseless, but it can also be very positive |
12:06.46 | apokryphos | some projects have really great engineers and code but really lack marketting, so there's little or no hype surrounded around the project |
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12:08.24 | villr[]ye | does anyone know a good pci wireless card for linux btw? |
12:08.40 | villr[]ye | cuz mine _sux_ |
12:08.52 | apokryphos | physos: hype is just a user-type of marketting really, and like I said, it shouldn't be underestimated (I mean, it's becoming obvious that you won't need computers to run ubuntu on anymore, it'll run on pure hype 8)) |
12:09.09 | villr[]ye | lol |
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12:09.26 | apokryphos | villr[]ye: safecom wireless cards have pretty good support for Linux generally, with gpl drivers |
12:09.38 | apokryphos | though I've only got a safecom usb wireless stick |
12:09.45 | apokryphos | (still, it works very well) |
12:10.17 | villr[]ye | apokryphos: looks like they are UK only |
12:10.30 | villr[]ye | I want one today.. can't wait for shipping. |
12:10.42 | qupada | apokryphos: in response to your comment about running on hype, from the 5th book in the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy trilogy, "Mostly harmless": |
12:10.45 | qupada | One of the problems has to do with the speed of light and the difficulties involved in trying to exceed it. You can't. Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. The Hingefreel people of Arkintoofle Minor did try to build spaceships that were powered by bad news but they didn't work particularly well and were so extremely unwelcome whenever they arrived anywhere |
12:11.09 | qupada | i don't really know why, but i felt that was appropriate |
12:11.16 | apokryphos | heh :) |
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12:16.06 | basanta_ | any showdesktop program for kde ? |
12:16.34 | apokryphos | showdesktop program? |
12:17.02 | apokryphos | screenshot program? |
12:17.31 | basanta_ | apachelogger, showdesktop which would miniminze all active application and shows the desktop |
12:17.49 | basanta_ | apokryphos, showdesktop which would miniminze all active application and shows the desktop |
12:17.59 | basanta_ | apachelogger, sorry |
12:18.17 | apokryphos | basanta_: it comes with a show desktop button by default... |
12:18.17 | Fusselwurm|w0rk | me thinks there's a shortcut in kde to minimize all windows |
12:19.02 | Jucato | basanta_, Fusselwurm|w0rk: keyboard shortcut = Ctrl+Alt+D by default |
12:19.25 | Jucato | basanta_: you can put an icon on your panel. right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> search for Show Desktop and add it to the panel |
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12:22.33 | basanta_ | Jucato, apokryphos thanks |
12:23.52 | Jucato | you're welcome |
12:25.23 | canllaith | apachelogger ? Why is he in this channel ? |
12:25.58 | canllaith | physos: isn't that the one who had a problem with politeness at aKademy? |
12:26.02 | apokryphos | he's a kde/amarok developer, right? |
12:26.12 | canllaith | Yeah, one who needs to wash his mouth out with soap |
12:27.11 | physos | canllaith: Jep. |
12:27.34 | basanta | what is gconf editor equivalent in kde |
12:27.45 | canllaith | :) du fehlst mir. Gute nacht! |
12:28.10 | Jucato | basanta: nothing. everything is in the app's settings dialog or in text files. |
12:28.36 | Jucato | kde needs no registry :) |
12:30.26 | basanta | Jucato, I added some applets in my panel and I want them as default for all the new users created, how do I accomplish that |
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12:30.52 | psychollek | copy config files to the skel directory |
12:31.08 | basanta | psychollek, ok thanks |
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12:31.35 | psychollek | i assume you know what skel is :P |
12:32.08 | basanta | psychollek, yes I do but is there no other way than this one |
12:32.39 | psychollek | this is an proper unix way and i didn't ever tried to find another |
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12:33.00 | basanta | psychollek, its hard to find out which specific file in .kde is reponsible |
12:33.21 | psychollek | kicker config probably |
12:34.01 | psychollek | the easiest method is to create new user and use his config |
12:34.04 | psychollek | i mean |
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12:34.08 | basanta | psychollek, under apps right ? |
12:34.37 | psychollek | you create user give him what you want any new user should have, copy his ~/ and vualla |
12:35.11 | psychollek | basanta: realy dont know, i can find it out, wait few minutes |
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12:35.52 | psychollek | ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/applets/ |
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12:36.15 | psychollek | hmmm |
12:36.15 | psychollek | nope |
12:36.16 | psychollek | not this one ;] |
12:36.18 | psychollek | hmm |
12:36.23 | psychollek | do i have any aplets ? :P |
12:36.40 | psychollek | i do |
12:36.42 | basanta | psychollek, I wanted to add showdesktop applet |
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12:36.48 | psychollek | so this is probably wrong |
12:37.32 | Andrew`` | hey villr[]ye: are you still here? |
12:37.41 | villr[]ye | yup |
12:37.53 | Andrew`` | cool I am back from tennis |
12:37.53 | psychollek | hmmm, i dont know where this config is |
12:37.57 | Andrew`` | can you still help me? |
12:38.18 | basanta | psychollek, thanks for your suggestion I will do the rest |
12:38.30 | psychollek | might be the kickerrc filr |
12:38.33 | psychollek | file |
12:38.45 | psychollek | in ~/.kde/share/config |
12:39.32 | basanta | psychollek, ok |
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12:43.28 | pparker | . |
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12:44.56 | Andrew`` | villr[]ye: can you still help me with K3B and MP3's? |
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12:45.44 | villr[]ye | Andrew``: nope busy. but people are actually awake now. so just ask. |
12:45.53 | villr[]ye | someone will answer :-) |
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13:15.06 | Sho_ | eNTi: Go into the "Accounts" section of the preferences dialog, |
13:15.21 | Sho_ | eNTi: and on the "Receiving" tab, create a new IMAP account |
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13:16.55 | eNTi | Sho_: yeah i got that, thx, but how do i SEND something through that account? |
13:17.46 | tanamo | Jucato: pre |
13:17.52 | Jucato | tanamo: yes? |
13:18.38 | Narishma | my akregator just went crazy |
13:18.59 | tanamo | Jucato: how can i check if qt4 is installed correctly? |
13:19.41 | Jucato | for KDE 4? /path/to/qt4/qmake -v |
13:20.00 | tanamo | Jucato: i tried running assistant but there's an error "couldn't find x server" something like that... |
13:20.30 | Sho_ | eNTi: Make a new account on the "Sending" tab. Emails are sent through SMTP, not IMAP. What ties the two together is the Identity (from the Identities) page that is associated with a receiving and a sending account; sending through the SMTP server will also place a copy in the folder for Sent Items on the IMAP server. |
13:20.48 | Sho_ | eNTi: Both POP and IMAP are for receiving, SMTP is for sending |
13:21.11 | eNTi | ah. thx Sho_. i somehow thought that IMAP would go in both directions |
13:21.18 | eNTi | silly me |
13:21.45 | tanamo | Jucato: "cant connect to x server" pla, how can i fix that? |
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13:23.56 | Narishma | http://enderu666.free.fr/scrot1.png |
13:23.59 | Narishma | http://enderu666.free.fr/scrot2.png |
13:24.02 | Narishma | look at the dates |
13:24.23 | MrGrim- | if arts is running and working and the test sound button on the system sound config page works, why would sounds for notifications fail? |
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13:25.50 | MrGrim- | oh you can set custom players |
13:25.50 | nikolavp | someone know a nice kde torrent client |
13:25.56 | MrGrim- | and mine was on no audio output |
13:25.57 | MrGrim- | silly me :D |
13:25.59 | nikolavp | excluding ktorrent :D |
13:26.02 | MrGrim- | nikolavp: doh |
13:26.04 | nikolavp | :) |
13:26.06 | MrGrim- | had the kt typed |
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13:26.13 | MikeK | erm |
13:26.16 | MrGrim | wron gnetwork |
13:27.10 | MrGrim | crud chose use the kde sound system and it still doesn't work :( |
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13:31.43 | Sho_ | nikolavp: some people seem to like qtorrent |
13:32.00 | nikolavp | Sho_, it is pyqt right ?:) |
13:32.09 | nikolavp | Sho_, no i like ktorrent but it seems it crashes sometimes |
13:32.25 | nikolavp | and i cant even get a nice backtrace with debug symbols only from it :) |
13:32.36 | nikolavp | and i am not sure what it depends more from :) |
13:32.48 | Sho_ | nikolavp: QTorrent uses PyQt, yes |
13:32.58 | Sho_ | nikolavp: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports |
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13:33.29 | Sho_ | nikolavp: Notably the most recent KTorrent stable release, 2.1.4, fixes a crash bug that was caused by a pseudo-client sending malicious packets in torrents |
13:33.34 | Sho_ | And there's also a 2.2beta1 now |
13:33.37 | MrGrim | I'm pretty sure show has a list of those w/ a little search box on a sticky always on top window |
13:33.40 | MrGrim | sho_* |
13:34.01 | Sho_ | MrGrim: I don't, but that's actually a pretty good idea ;) |
13:34.10 | MrGrim | Sho_: I'm gonna start calling you speedy links |
13:34.14 | Sho_ | hehe |
13:34.19 | nikolavp | Sho_, do i need something for that crash window ? |
13:34.38 | nikolavp | i am using gentoo |
13:34.41 | Sho_ | nikolavp: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/backtraces.xml |
13:34.47 | nikolavp | i have read that ;P |
13:34.56 | nikolavp | i ask about the crashing window |
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13:35.06 | nikolavp | because it seems it doesnt appear at all when ktorrent crashes :D |
13:35.08 | MrGrim | Sho_: How do I escape from a locked closet with duct tape, a cigarette butt, and a dead rat |
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13:35.44 | Sho_ | MrGrim: damn got no links to MacGyver episode guides |
13:35.48 | Sho_ | :) |
13:35.59 | MrGrim | Sho_: I think he's wanting drkonqi |
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13:36.24 | MrGrim | Sho_: ok, easy one then, arts is running, arts works, test sound button in sound system config works, system notifications using the kde sound system... only silence |
13:36.26 | Sho_ | nikolavp: yeah, as MrGrim says, you need to have the drkonqi package emerged for the crash handler to appear |
13:36.42 | nikolavp | Sho_, thanks :) |
13:36.46 | nikolavp | i knew that i need something :d |
13:36.48 | Sho_ | MrGrim: Most likely you configured a Custom Player for KNotify which isn't there |
13:36.53 | MrGrim | no |
13:36.57 | MrGrim | it's configured for kde sound syste |
13:36.58 | MrGrim | m |
13:37.01 | MrGrim | at 100% volume |
13:37.11 | MrGrim | it works if I use a custom player :/ |
13:37.14 | Sho_ | KControl -> Sound & Multimedia -> System Notifications -> Player Settings in the lower-right |
13:37.18 | MrGrim | but I don't want to use a custom player |
13:37.22 | MrGrim | yup |
13:37.28 | Sho_ | hmm |
13:37.54 | MrGrim | I don't know why I suddenly want sounds |
13:37.56 | MrGrim | maybe I'm lonely |
13:38.03 | MrGrim | but I want them, and I want them w/o a custom player :D |
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13:38.18 | MrGrim | this hasn't worked for me since 3.4 |
13:38.26 | nikolavp | MrGrim, the custom player is just better :) |
13:38.31 | Sho_ | well using a custom player that uses ALSA directly seems nicer than running a special sound server that talks to ALSA ;) |
13:38.37 | MrGrim | when I found the player settings was set to "no audio" I thought I had the answer, but alas I did not |
13:39.13 | MrGrim | Sho_: except the special server is always running with a 6ms buffer |
13:39.15 | Sho_ | Notably the Gentoo folks sometimes consider adding a "RESOLVED FUCKARTS" state to their bugtracking system |
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13:39.23 | MrGrim | I hate hitting minimize, then the sound plays... after it is minimized |
13:39.45 | MrGrim | that seems hard to avoid w/ a custom player |
13:40.03 | nikolavp | MrGrim, cant u customize that ?:) |
13:40.46 | MrGrim | I can customize anything.. I can code... point is there is always the overhead of loading, creating, and executing the process |
13:40.59 | MrGrim | or creating ,loading, executing |
13:41.05 | MrGrim | whatever |
13:41.33 | MrGrim | so, animation is immediate while the notification system has to start a new program every time I wanna play a sound |
13:41.59 | MrGrim | by time the program starts, loads the audio file, initializes alsa, decodes the first couple of milliseconds, and starts piping |
13:42.04 | MrGrim | the windows already minimized |
13:42.25 | MrGrim | don't get me wrong I'm all for the arts hating |
13:42.29 | MrGrim | but it does have SOME advantages |
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13:44.47 | MrGrim | YES got it working |
13:44.50 | MrGrim | woohoo |
13:45.03 | MrGrim | looks like you must restart arts |
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13:45.30 | MrGrim | which I accomplished by quickly unchecking then checking "enable the sound system" and hitting apply :D |
13:45.52 | MrGrim | woohoo I have sound |
13:46.01 | nikolavp | u wont use that for long |
13:46.02 | nikolavp | i am sure :D |
13:47.49 | MrGrim | nikolavp: I'm good enough to keep arts working well :) |
13:48.05 | nikolavp | they dont work nice as default :D |
13:48.13 | nikolavp | that's the whole point :D |
13:48.15 | MrGrim | now knotify otoh |
13:48.17 | MrGrim | is pissing me off |
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13:49.28 | Sho_ | MrGrim: try the new Oxygen sounds perhaps |
13:49.31 | MrGrim | ok act of desperation time |
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13:52.11 | MrGrim | that took care of it |
13:54.55 | MrGrim | turns out the only real way to get knotify sounds going in everything after moving from no audio to kde sound system is restart kde |
13:54.55 | MrGrim | god bless session saving |
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13:58.40 | MrGrim | where did Sho_ go |
13:59.37 | Sho_ | MrGrim: hmm? I'm here |
13:59.48 | MrGrim | erm,, odd |
13:59.52 | MrGrim | nick complete was ignoring you |
13:59.56 | MrGrim | until I switched windows and came back |
14:02.49 | MrGrim | btw does anyone know if it's possible to grab a version of kopete w/ aim file xfer from last years google soc that will compile w/ kde 3.5/qt3? |
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14:10.27 | pip | I inserted a USB disk ,it won't be mounted automatically,how to set it to be auto-mounted ? |
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14:16.35 | nikolavp | pip, distro ? |
14:16.42 | pip | Fedora |
14:17.10 | Rekisser__ | Hello. Can i force in KDE 2-rows icons in system tray? |
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14:17.40 | pip | nikolavp, and after I mounted the disk within which all file belongs to root other than users ,so I can't access them |
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14:19.39 | nikolavp | Rekisser__, yes u can |
14:19.42 | nikolavp | when u make the panel bigger |
14:20.05 | nikolavp | pip, that's how it works here too :) |
14:21.37 | Rekisser__ | Bad way :) 2nd question - in konqueror, when i press "go - history", appears left-sided menu with tabs. Can i see that menu by default? |
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14:33.16 | Rekisser__ | It have name "navigation panel" |
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14:36.26 | pip | nikolavp, you mean that's normal ? Then another question ,do you use SCIM or any other input method tool ? |
14:36.42 | nikolavp | SCIM ?:) |
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14:38.28 | pip | nikolavp, yep |
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14:38.55 | pip | nikolavp, should be the most famous one ,I worked weird on KDE |
14:39.12 | pip | by default ,it was intalled with my distr |
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14:39.36 | pip | But worked very slow and buggy,I need it to input Chinese |
14:43.58 | KRF | is it possible to enter unicode chars in windows-like manner? e.g.: i type alt+1018 and there's the · sign |
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14:47.08 | eNTi | where can i find konqueror extensions? i recently switched distros (gentoo -> archlinux) and now i miss a handy feature: selecting files and adding them to an archive. |
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14:47.17 | eNTi | also google search dosn't work any more |
14:47.27 | eNTi | kde 3.5.7 |
14:47.34 | Sho_ | eNTi: That's provided by the application "Ark" |
14:47.46 | Sho_ | The search field is in the "konq-plugins" package |
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14:50.07 | eNTi | Sho_: thx. |
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15:01.39 | oneforall | http://slackware.computer-rave.com/test/cimg0486.jpg whats this . shove the dvd in and get that . konq file manager opens but that and nothing in konq |
15:01.53 | oneforall | it trying to send a message to frenode there |
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15:03.35 | eNTi | oneforall: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HAL maybe? |
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15:04.36 | Sho_ | interesting screenshot .. :) |
15:05.04 | oneforall | why is it trying to send messages to freenode .looks like m$ crap tracking you |
15:05.19 | oneforall | yeah like a m$ error message ejh loil |
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15:05.21 | Sho_ | oneforall: It's not sending messages to freenode |
15:05.35 | oneforall | well it can't the pc isn't on the net |
15:05.50 | Sho_ | oneforall: It's sending a message to org.freedesktop, which is a namespace on the D-BUS communication bus (similar to DCOP) |
15:05.58 | Sho_ | oneforall: D-Bus is how KDE's Media Manager and HAL communicate |
15:06.21 | Sho_ | oneforall: i.e. it's not about sending anything over the network |
15:06.34 | oneforall | says destination org.freendescktop.hall not freenode sorrey |
15:07.33 | jack- | i guess oneforall would puke if saw all the macosx preference file names :P |
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15:07.34 | jack- | com.apple.thingumabobshitznitz |
15:07.35 | jack- | *he |
15:07.47 | oneforall | so for it to work it needs to be on the net eh |
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15:08.04 | jack- | read Sho_'s answer again |
15:08.10 | Sho_ | oneforall: Again, it is not trying to send a message over the network |
15:08.18 | Sho_ | jack-: Or the UTI system for that matter, which uses reverse DNS syntac too :) |
15:08.23 | jack- | yeah |
15:08.25 | Sho_ | *syntax |
15:08.54 | jack- | the software world is so full of things that can scare clueless users |
15:08.57 | jack- | ;) |
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15:09.21 | Sho_ | oneforall: The sender and recipient there are components of your system. KDE's Media Manager is the sender and the HAL daemon the recipient. The communication happens over D-Bus. The address given is a D-Bus address. |
15:09.49 | oneforall | was to lazy to write that so i took the picture :D |
15:10.20 | Sho_ | oneforall: you can use ksnapshot to take screenshots without using a photo camera |
15:10.44 | olle_ | hello |
15:10.46 | olle_ | you know those little icosn that jumps near by the mouse cursor when one starts an application? |
15:11.00 | Sho_ | olle_: Yeah, KDE Launch Feedback |
15:11.00 | olle_ | is it possible to disable them? ;) |
15:11.09 | Sho_ | olle_: Yup ... KControl -> Appearance -> Launch Feedback |
15:11.22 | olle_ | was it that easy? |
15:11.27 | Sho_ | olle_: yup |
15:11.36 | olle_ | ive been looking noths for that option ^^ |
15:11.44 | olle_ | thanks anyway |
15:11.50 | Sho_ | Just set it from "Bouncing Cursor" to "No Busy Cursor", or maybe some other variant you like better |
15:12.40 | olle_ | wait a minute. i dont have any "Launch feedback" tab over here |
15:13.03 | olle_ | maybe the kubuntu team has disabled it. any workaraound? |
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15:13.20 | Sho_ | olle_: Yes, start the actual "kcontrol" from Run Command, not their weird System Settings app |
15:13.35 | oneforall | Sho_ yeah and one probel with that is how do i get it to the pc that on the net . I said that pc isn't on the net at all :D |
15:13.36 | olle_ | ok ill do so |
15:13.53 | oneforall | quiocker with a digicam |
15:13.55 | oneforall | :D |
15:13.58 | Sho_ | oneforall: ah right |
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15:36.28 | CPrgmSwR2 | Hi |
15:37.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have gentoo as my distro so I know I can compile executables but KDeveloper says: <configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables> |
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15:39.02 | DrCurl | hi |
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15:40.09 | DrCurl | I started ripping my cd with kaudiocreator on kubuntu, I have a lot of french cd and the tags are not displayed correctly in amarok... how can I set kaudiocreator so it creates utf-8 mp3 tags? |
15:41.59 | DrCurl | audiocd will not create a folder architecture like this: artist/albumtitle/songs |
15:42.18 | Sho_ | no, but Amarok can .. |
15:42.27 | Sho_ | via Manage Files |
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15:42.36 | Sho_ | collection browser context menu |
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15:43.02 | nikolavp | Sho_, doesnt k3b have a ripper :) |
15:43.03 | Sho_ | So I use audiocd:/ and then let Amarok do the rest |
15:43.08 | Sho_ | nikolavp: I think it does, yeah |
15:43.29 | Sho_ | yes, there's a "Rip Audio CD" project |
15:43.48 | Sho_ | Hm, I think K3b is a mightily fine app, especially the new 1.0.x |
15:43.54 | nikolavp | lol k3b is just perfekt |
15:43.56 | Sho_ | One of the great ones on Linux |
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15:44.44 | nikolavp | DrCurl, the author is just a genie :) |
15:45.06 | DrCurl | well, yeah, k3b is great |
15:45.36 | DrCurl | but I don't like the ripping process in k3b, much simpler in kaudiocreator |
15:45.54 | nikolavp | i have never used kaudiocreator at all :) |
15:46.18 | DrCurl | you just open it, and click on the rip button, that's all |
15:46.32 | nikolavp | ;) |
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15:55.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | What is the best way to add images to your project in kdevelop |
15:55.45 | DrCurl | <PROTECTED> |
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16:03.14 | roadfish | how can I ensure that new apps are created above the other windows? when I use emacs (and sometimes xterm) to start certain apps (such as acroread or wxWidget programs), these new windows appear _below_ emacs/xterm. what is going on? |
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16:10.05 | roadfish | why does KDE sometimes put newly created windows _below_ the current windows? |
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16:18.34 | trpr | hrm. i notice that too sometimes. especially w/ windows that are just hidden (sys tray) |
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16:19.21 | Jejem | annma :) |
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16:20.52 | straw | roadfish: tried changing kwin's focus-stealing prevention? |
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16:25.51 | roadfish | straw: no, never heard of it ... Is focus-stealing prevention is something that I set in KDE Control Center? |
16:25.52 | straw | roadfish: yes. search with the keyword 'focus' |
16:25.52 | straw | then the 'Advanced' tab, iirc |
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16:28.12 | roadfish | straw: ok, got it working now ... thanks |
16:28.43 | straw | not a problem :) |
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16:35.44 | oneforall | ok when you stick in the cd/dvd and hit cancel then later you want to look at it . what then . opena nd close the drive media:/ in konq ? |
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16:39.12 | Sho_ | oneforall: yeah, you go through media:/ |
16:39.26 | sickprincess | hi, after updating akregator, my all rss feeds has gone, how can i get them back? |
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16:40.35 | oneforall | no way to still just add an icon to the destop to do it quick rahter than open konq for that |
16:41.00 | tido | I have konq split view with my computer and a remote one. When I drag a file over to overwrite it (to update it), konq suggests I rename it and won't let me overwrite it. How can I change this? |
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16:41.27 | raf256 | hello |
16:41.36 | raf256 | can I have sounds be played in nautilus by just poiting at them (like a preview) |
16:41.42 | Sho_ | tido: probably by fixing the permissions on the remote computer |
16:41.53 | Kyral_Laptop | raf256: Nautilus? Thats a GNOME thing |
16:41.54 | Sho_ | raf256: Nautilus is not a KDE application |
16:42.04 | tido | Sho_: I know that's not the problem, I have write access |
16:42.20 | Sho_ | tido: That doesn't necessarily mean you're allowed to overwrite existing files |
16:42.27 | raf256 | oh damn I mistaken lol. never mind |
16:42.28 | Sho_ | tido: Many FTP servers make a difference between the two, for example |
16:42.36 | tido | it's sftp/fish |
16:42.56 | Sho_ | fish:// isn't sftp (but sftp:// is) |
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16:43.10 | Kyral_Laptop | Also a lot of ACL overlays add that kind of permission split (Like AFS |
16:43.29 | kjetilho | how can I find out what's registered M-SPC as a global shortcut? |
16:44.01 | Kyral_Laptop | kjetilho: KControl->Regions & Accessabilit->Input Actions (or Keyboard Shortcuts) |
16:44.22 | kjetilho | I can't see it -- can I go the other way somehow? |
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16:44.34 | Kyral_Laptop | kjetilho: Can't see what? KControl? |
16:44.40 | Sho_ | you could grep in ~/.kde/share/config |
16:45.27 | Sho_ | (unless it's a global default, then it won't be in your local configs) |
16:46.20 | kjetilho | Sho_: ok, no hits for Space -- where are the global files? |
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16:47.04 | oneforall | err where si the power manager that keeps blacking out my monitor |
16:47.26 | Sho_ | kjetilho: $(kde-config --prefix)/share/config for KDE itself, and possibly a different prefix for other apps |
16:47.36 | oneforall | DSPM or what ever it is isn't even in xorg.conf |
16:47.43 | Sho_ | i.e. on Gentoo the prefix for KDE itself is /usr/kde/<version> and for apps it's /usr |
16:48.29 | kjetilho | Sho_: thanks! /usr/share/config.kcfg in Ubuntu, it seems |
16:49.02 | kjetilho | but I can't find it there, either. anyone else seeing this behaviour? ie. a popup with Katapult when they press Meta Space? |
16:49.50 | kjetilho | (I use that keypress a lot in Emacs, so it's rather annoying.) |
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16:51.30 | Sho_ | kjetilho: where config is a dir, not a file, though |
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16:52.08 | Sho_ | and yeah, I think Meta-Space is the default shortcut for Katapult, which Kubuntu runs by default |
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16:52.26 | Sho_ | unfortunately Kubuntu also hides the Katapult systray icon which offers access to the config |
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16:52.35 | Sho_ | try to right-click the Katapult UI when it appears |
16:52.42 | Sho_ | or take Katapult out of the autostart |
16:53.00 | Jucato | Alt+Space, Ctrl+C |
16:53.07 | Jucato | kjetilho: ^^^ |
16:53.52 | kjetilho | Jucato: yay, thanks!!! |
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16:56.31 | kjetilho | okay, Katapult is actually quite cool |
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16:57.17 | logixoul | kjetilho: you might also like Kickoff and Kerry. |
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16:59.00 | kjetilho | hmm, no matches in apt-cache search for Kickoff |
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17:00.15 | Jucato | it's a SUSE thing |
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17:00.40 | oneforall | err sick of this blacking out . |
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17:38.09 | SimAtWork | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Get_The_Facts_The_real_facts |
17:40.10 | SimAtWork | it's a story about a school in kamloops that moved to oss |
17:40.15 | SimAtWork | and the problems the encountered etc. |
17:40.23 | SimAtWork | and the net savings and the benefits of it all. |
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17:59.45 | pip | Hello |
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18:01.31 | pip | how to set removeable storage device to be mounted automatically ? |
18:02.02 | pinotree | no way |
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18:02.22 | pinotree | kde does not automatically mount devices |
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18:03.10 | pip | pinotree, OK,so I have to mount them by hand ,command line only ? |
18:03.16 | pinotree | ?? |
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18:03.27 | pinotree | double click on the device in media:/ ? |
18:03.42 | logixoul | yup the media kioslave automounts any FS you make it access |
18:04.06 | pip | pinotree, I mean there are two methods if ,right click on the icon of the device to be mounted and choose mount ? |
18:04.11 | pip | But that doesn't work |
18:04.13 | pinotree | the media kioslave *auto*mounts nothing, logixoul |
18:04.31 | pinotree | pip: again, double click on the device? |
18:04.56 | logixoul | pinotree: "auto" as in "without having to manually click mount", i.e. "transparently" |
18:05.20 | pinotree | logixoul: don't misuse that, "auto" means "with no manual knowledge" |
18:05.28 | logixoul | pinotree: k |
18:05.36 | pip | insert ,and use --------> auto mount |
18:06.14 | pip | totally GUI operation |
18:06.56 | logixoul | pip: why do you care about mounting anyway? as pinotree said, you just need to open any item from media:/ |
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18:07.14 | pip | I think the has a way to make that,because last time ,when I insert a USB disk,after I inserted it ,I could just start to use it ,without the step to mount it |
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18:07.33 | pip | *there |
18:07.36 | thiago | KDE doesn't have it, but your distro may |
18:07.49 | pip | I see : ) |
18:08.04 | pinotree | pip: i see no extra step |
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18:08.30 | pinotree | insert the usb disk, open konqueror, media:/ , double click on the device and you are done |
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18:11.07 | pip | pinotree, when I insert a USB disk,there pops up a windows ask what to do with the USB disk,and I choose open it in a window,and then error occurs ,saying : Pemission denied :NOT in active session |
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18:12.30 | pip | pinotree, is that normal or caused by computer virus ? |
18:12.41 | pinotree | virus?? |
18:13.02 | pip | pinotree, I just guess : ) |
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18:13.38 | pip | pinotree, I did what you told to do just now ,double click on the device in media:/ but nothing showed in new window |
18:13.54 | pinotree | of course, because of the error above |
18:13.58 | pip | So there must be something wrong with my KDe or linux I guess |
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18:14.14 | pip | by the way,should I run any service to make that ? |
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18:15.02 | pfein | in kmail, is there a way to delete from local folders & bypass the trash? |
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18:15.37 | thiago | Shift+Del |
18:16.39 | pip | pinotree, it seems there is only right way for me to mount it , by command line |
18:16.52 | thiago | or fix your HAL configuration |
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18:18.37 | logixoul | pip: just so you know, Linux has no viruses. (not really sure why, but it's true nevertheless :) |
18:18.47 | pfein | thiago: huh, thx |
18:19.40 | logixoul | pfein: this shortcut is configurable btw. you can well set it to Del and forget about the trash ;) |
18:20.00 | pip | logixoul, all right. Then it has nothing to do with virus,so why the error says : Pemission denied :Not in active session |
18:20.28 | pip | logixoul, I am afraid that if I shutdown any service that should be running all the time |
18:20.38 | logixoul | pip: have you tried googling the error? |
18:20.49 | pip | I am going to |
18:20.54 | pfein | logixoul: was just surprised I couldn't find it on the menus ;-) makes sense tho - like konq. |
18:20.57 | pfein | thx |
18:20.59 | pip | be back soon |
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18:23.05 | mariux | someone needs to give the konq toolsbars some love for kde4 :\ |
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18:24.45 | logixoul | any specific ideas? |
18:25.19 | straw | i wish they could be 'locked' kind of like kicker |
18:25.27 | logixoul | straw: implemented already :) |
18:25.42 | straw | eh? how? where? |
18:25.46 | logixoul | trunk |
18:25.51 | logixoul | some months ago |
18:25.53 | mariux | yea make them behave properly :P |
18:26.37 | mariux | location bar moving all over |
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18:26.39 | mariux | if i visit a long url it will move to a seperate line :( |
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18:27.18 | logixoul | mariux: if it didn't move there, you would see less of the long URL. pretty bad usability, I say... |
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18:27.38 | mariux | i only have like three icons |
18:27.49 | mariux | so the diff is ~0 |
18:28.05 | mariux | and there is no way to make it go back other than to delete browsing history |
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18:28.24 | logixoul | !hidden |
18:28.29 | logixoul | !hiddenconfig |
18:28.37 | logixoul | !hiddenconfiguration |
18:28.39 | logixoul | hmm |
18:28.42 | mariux | been there tried that |
18:28.48 | logixoul | oh? |
18:28.56 | straw | hm, must be in 3.5.7 |
18:29.08 | straw | still on 3.5.6 here |
18:29.11 | logixoul | straw: what? the toolbar locking? nope, kde4 only. |
18:29.20 | straw | oh! duh |
18:29.21 | mariux | NewLine=false ? |
18:29.31 | logixoul | yep |
18:29.42 | straw | i sometime still think on trunk as 3.x.x :P |
18:29.46 | mariux | doesn't help |
18:30.02 | mariux | i would had liked the option to hard lock them |
18:30.04 | logixoul | mariux: dunno, my Kubuntu has a 1-line toolbar by default |
18:30.08 | Sho_ | mariux: I use a single toolbar setup ... that "fixes" it |
18:30.28 | mariux | me too, but that prevents me from having a filter bar |
18:30.35 | mariux | because thats not allowed in the main toolbar |
18:30.46 | Kyral_Laptop | They are gonna make me use Dreamweaver and Photoshop in a class next semester |
18:30.50 | Sho_ | I use the location toolbar |
18:30.58 | Kyral_Laptop | and won't let me use Quanta/Vim or The GIMP instead |
18:30.59 | mariux | without a location bar? |
18:31.07 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Photoshop is a great app, though |
18:31.08 | mariux | that leaves me with alot of gray enpty area |
18:31.24 | Sho_ | mariux: I mean, I have everything put into the location toolbar, rather than the main toolbar |
18:31.28 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: 1) Not open source. 2) I don't have enough money. 3) No Windows |
18:31.44 | mariux | ahh |
18:31.48 | mariux | will try that |
18:31.51 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Let's hope Krita becomes competitive quick :) |
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18:35.29 | liquidat | Hej... |
18:35.32 | munk__ | can somebody help me? im having troubles with installing a new icon theme |
18:35.54 | liquidat | Just tell what the problem is, than the people will see if they can help or not. |
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18:37.30 | liquidat | Anyone knows what happened to the knetworkmanager directory in svn? It vanished, and nothing was mentioned in the list or on the homepage. |
18:38.23 | Riis | how do i tell KDE to blank the screen when I lock the session |
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18:38.55 | munk__ | can somebody help me? im having troubles with installing a new icon theme??? |
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18:39.25 | liquidat | ping troy-uni ? |
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18:40.52 | liquidat | munk__: ... |
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18:41.16 | liquidat | Riis: What happens instead of going blank when you lock the system? |
18:41.50 | Riis | it just freezes the current image |
18:41.56 | Riis | <PROTECTED> |
18:42.09 | Riis | which coudl easily hold sensitive data |
18:42.29 | Riis | IM windows/browesers e-mails etc |
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18:43.28 | liquidat | Riis: What kind of screensaver do you have chosen? |
18:43.50 | munk__ | liquidat whenever i try to install a new icon theme it says that its not a valid theme pack...what do i do? |
18:43.50 | flyser | Riis: select Blank Screen as your screensaver |
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18:44.40 | liquidat | munk__: Can you give me a link to a package you tried to install? |
18:44.54 | munk__ | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/black+%2B+white+icons?content=24645 |
18:44.58 | apokryphos | liquidat: try asking in #opensuse-kde |
18:46.47 | liquidat | apokryphos: Thanks. |
18:47.23 | munk__ | liquidat did u get the link? if not here it is again http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/black+%2B+white+icons?content=24645 |
18:48.39 | liquidat | munk__: It worked here - did you try to unpack it? Which KDE version do you use? |
18:49.05 | liquidat | munk__: Yes, I got the link, and yes, even I'm simply human and therefore need some time to figure things out. |
18:49.19 | munk__ | liquidat: i have kde3.5 |
18:49.31 | flyser | btw. has any1 backported the oxygen icons to the kde 3.5.x icon naming sheme, I would love 3.5.x with oxygen icons? :D |
18:49.39 | munk__ | liquidat : i tried to unpack it and leave it unpacked and it doesnt work:( |
18:49.59 | thiago | flyser: no one has ported yet. We don't want that now. |
18:50.05 | liquidat | munk__: It should work as long as you do not modify it. If not, which distribution do you use? |
18:50.08 | flyser | thiago: why? |
18:50.11 | thiago | flyser: however, it will be done before the KDE 4.0 release. |
18:50.22 | flyser | thiago: okay :) |
18:50.25 | munk__ | liquidat : gentoo |
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18:50.52 | thiago | flyser: we don't want that now so that we find any broken icon uses. |
18:50.52 | munk__ | liquidat : it worked now?! |
18:51.03 | munk__ | liquidat : thats odd anyway thanks a lot.. |
18:51.05 | flyser | thiago: okay np^^ |
18:51.08 | liquidat | munk__: As written above, yes, it worked for me. |
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19:07.48 | hermier | any svk user around ? |
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19:09.20 | hermier | thiago, how can I rename //foo in //bar |
19:09.30 | thiago | in? |
19:09.34 | thiago | or "to"? |
19:09.38 | hermier | to |
19:09.48 | thiago | svk mv //foo //bar |
19:09.51 | hermier | originally I was think to say change |
19:10.06 | hermier | then why do I need to make a commit ? |
19:10.27 | hermier | it's the thing I found really odd ... |
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19:10.34 | thiago | because that's a commit |
19:10.59 | hermier | so // is a *svn* tree ? |
19:11.18 | Mek | you only commit it to the svk tree |
19:11.27 | hermier | that won't affect the remote trees ? |
19:11.55 | thiago | hermier: // is the root of your local svk repository |
19:11.56 | Mek | I guess not, although I don't know what would happen if you try to move a mirror of an svn tree arround |
19:12.31 | Mek | but I haven't used svk much... I prefer git-svn for my version management :P |
19:12.49 | hermier | that's my problem ... |
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19:12.49 | Kyral_Laptop | Hmm, anyone know where torrents started via KTorrent's WebInterface plugin are saved? |
19:13.18 | Sho_ | you can set the location in the prefs |
19:13.21 | Sho_ | at least in my SVN version here |
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19:15.56 | Kyral_Laptop | hmm I think I defaulted it to ~ |
19:16.04 | Kyral_Laptop | (I'm using beta2 |
19:16.38 | kjetilho | thiago: why did you stop using svk? |
19:16.41 | thiago | if you didn't configure it, it might have defaulted there |
19:16.48 | thiago | kjetilho: I converted my repository to git |
19:17.17 | kjetilho | thanks :) |
19:17.21 | thiago | kjetilho: but I haven't managed to convert the entire repository. |
19:17.33 | kjetilho | why's that? |
19:17.53 | thiago | I didn't convert a branch |
19:18.30 | thiago | I wanted to do proper merges from trunk and I didn't have time to code the modifications to svn-fastexport |
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19:42.15 | monkeyass | hi |
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19:43.51 | monkeyass | anyone here? |
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19:48.16 | SimAtWork | i am here |
19:48.18 | SimAtWork | mr ass |
19:48.39 | monkeyass | hi |
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19:48.53 | monkeyass | do you know if there are any fedora help rooms? |
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19:49.15 | monkeyass | because im really depressed |
19:49.41 | monkeyass | i tried typing fedora but it just took me to fedora join instructions |
19:51.05 | pip | monkeyass, hey |
19:51.23 | pip | monkeyass, are you registered user ? |
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19:53.25 | SimAtWork | I'm from Gentoo lakeSide resort. |
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19:53.52 | monkeyass | back |
19:53.53 | monkeyass | sorry |
19:54.02 | monkeyass | im in liek 7 different channels and reading some forums |
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19:54.26 | monkeyass | registered to this channel? |
19:54.29 | swanfl | now that's true multitasking ;) |
19:55.11 | pip | monkeyass, to freenode I think |
19:55.16 | monkeyass | lol not if you dont count i have the kettle on ready for a brew which im going to make now |
19:55.22 | monkeyass | oh i dont think so |
19:55.26 | monkeyass | ill sign up now |
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19:56.27 | Ahcoeur | Hellooo Here |
19:56.39 | Ahcoeur | is somebody knows well flex&bison ? |
19:56.58 | koss_ | How do I set my desktop icons to be smaller? |
19:57.02 | koss_ | A lot smaller |
19:57.06 | pip | monkeyass, if you can't find any clue on how to solve your problem of Fedora,ask in #gentoo |
19:57.20 | Ahcoeur | koss_ you can buy new glass |
19:57.43 | Ahcoeur | presbyte model |
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19:57.53 | monkeyass | back |
19:57.53 | koss_ | Ahcoeur, there has to be a better answer than that. |
19:58.01 | Ahcoeur | yes sur |
19:58.30 | monkeyass | sweet thanks |
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19:58.52 | pip | monkeyass, I mean suppose |
19:59.03 | monkeyass | ok |
19:59.21 | monkeyass | i think i just found out hwo to install flash player :) so thats one down |
19:59.25 | monkeyass | now my wireless card |
19:59.35 | swanfl | so is kde version 4 still on schedule? |
19:59.51 | pinotree | ? |
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20:08.44 | main2 | when i doubleclick on my applications taskbar, it folds instead of min/maximize |
20:08.55 | main2 | where can i change this? |
20:09.03 | benJIman | Do you mean the titlebar? |
20:09.26 | main2 | yep |
20:09.28 | main2 | sorry |
20:09.30 | main2 | typo |
20:09.30 | benJIman | right click -> configure -> actions -> titlebar double-click -> maximise |
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20:10.05 | main2 | where should i rightclick on? |
20:10.24 | benJIman | the titlebar |
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20:10.51 | main2 | i dont have a 'configure' option when i rightclick on an application its titlebar |
20:11.01 | main2 | (im using beryl on kde btw) |
20:11.55 | benJIman | Beryl isn't a kde app |
20:12.04 | main2 | uhhh................................ |
20:12.10 | benJIman | Ask in beryl channel if it's possible. |
20:12.15 | monkeyass | does anyone here use fedora 7? |
20:12.15 | benJIman | It is with kde's window manager (kwin) |
20:12.25 | main2 | ahhhhhhhhh k =) |
20:12.30 | main2 | thanks benJIman |
20:13.12 | main2 | ok, got that sorted now : - )) |
20:13.33 | main2 | one question remaining is, when i hover over my applications in the kde-taskbar |
20:13.42 | main2 | it shows a tooltip with the application its title / name |
20:13.54 | main2 | can i stop this from happening (since im using thumbnails from beryl..) ? |
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20:15.22 | benJIman | right click -> configure -> appearance -> uncheck "enable icon mouseover effects" and "show tooltips" |
20:15.36 | monkeyass | has anyone installed a broadcom wireless card here? |
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20:16.55 | pip | monkeyass, Can you enter #fedora ? |
20:17.19 | monkeyass | #fedora |
20:17.23 | monkeyass | woops |
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21:14.46 | linuxrocks | Is there a way to change Konqueror so that when you start typing, it goes to the first item that starts with those sequence of letters. This is similar to what they had in Nautilus. |
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21:31.07 | linuxrocks | Is there a way to change Konqueror so that when you start typing, it goes to the first item that starts with those sequence of letters. This is similar to what they had in Nautilus. |
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21:33.59 | vlt|home | Hello. In which file does Konqueror store its history (what pages/domains recently were viewed and when)? |
21:34.37 | bram85 | linuxrocks: you can change the auto fill option by right clicking the location bar, if that's what y ou mean |
21:35.18 | bram85 | vlt|home: ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konq_history |
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21:36.59 | vlt|home | bram85: Thank you. What file format is it? -- Doesn't really look very XML ;-) |
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21:39.44 | bram85 | vlt|home: no idea actually, therefore i would have to look in the source |
21:40.12 | bram85 | vlt|home: but i'm about to go offline, so you could try to investigate it |
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21:45.08 | x_link | How do I get that soundspeaker right next to my clock? |
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21:47.02 | thiago | run kmix |
21:47.06 | monkeybutt | hi is there a command to bring up the x-server configuration menu? i want to change my resolution |
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21:48.16 | thiago | there is no X server configuration menu |
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21:49.40 | linuxrocks | bram: no I mean when I have the main part of the window focused and type more than one letter to index an item. |
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21:50.51 | x_link | thiago: Thank |
21:50.54 | x_link | thanks |
21:50.59 | monkeybutt | is there a way to get back to the menu where you can set a custom monitor? |
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21:51.26 | Small_Mac | how configurable is the kde universal sidebar, can i shrink its length? |
21:51.42 | thiago | monkeybutt: that's probably a distribution-specific tool. Ask in their channel. |
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21:52.52 | linuxrocks | Is there a way to change Konqueror so that when you start typing in the main part where the icons are, it indexes to the first item that begins with those sequence of letters. This is similar to what they had in Nautilus. |
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21:54.00 | cormorano | hi |
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21:54.46 | thiago | linuxrocks: Konqueror does that already |
21:55.00 | monkeybutt | is there a command like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in fedora? |
21:55.06 | Small_Mac | thiago yeah i asked in kubuntu, they sort of referred me here =) |
21:55.10 | Small_Mac | i'll keep looking |
21:55.13 | thiago | linuxrocks: start typing and it jumps to that which matches |
21:55.19 | thiago | monkeybutt: ask in #fedora |
21:55.23 | pinotree | monkeybutt: please ask in #fedora |
21:55.33 | monkeybutt | sorry |
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21:55.43 | monkeybutt | wrong channel |
21:56.11 | ma_b | Hello. I can't remember how the konqueror embedded jpg previewer is called, that can also zoom. |
21:56.27 | ma_b | currently I have khtmlimage |
21:56.39 | Shirakawasuna | ma_b: I use gwenview |
21:57.30 | ma_b | No I mean embedded konqueror preview. |
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21:59.39 | kdepepo | I use KViewViewerPart |
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22:00.34 | munk__ | im having hard times with the taskbar can somebody help me? |
22:01.21 | munk__ | please? |
22:01.31 | thiago | no one can help you... |
22:01.37 | thiago | ...until you say what your problem is |
22:02.17 | munk__ | true...lol sorry...well i took the taskbar out of the bar and now i cant put it back in....i can only make it external but i want to embed it back into the bar... |
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22:03.08 | munk__ | and another thing my kde menu is in the middle of the screen is there anyway of moving it back all the way on the left side as it usually is? |
22:03.17 | linuxrocks | thiago: ya, but I want to be able to type more than 1 letter to match an item like in nautilus and synaptic |
22:03.32 | kdepepo | delete kickerrc :) |
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22:06.53 | thiago | linuxrocks: you can do that |
22:07.11 | thiago | linuxrocks: type as many letters as you need |
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22:32.02 | tuxick | kewl, konq crashed |
22:32.58 | tuxick | ah no, kde itself has gone mad, cursor changed into a circle with a diagonal bar and stopped doing anything |
22:33.13 | Sho_ | try pressing ESC ;) |
22:33.14 | tuxick | what am i supposed to do with this secret sign? |
22:33.39 | tuxick | Sho_: been there done that |
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22:34.13 | tuxick | oh, there's also another vague paper/sheet like icon floating around |
22:34.23 | tuxick | yet still no clue what kde is expecting me to do |
22:34.26 | tuxick | or some app |
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22:35.24 | Sho_ | tuxick: well it sounds like a drag'n'drop operation gone bad due to something hanging |
22:36.14 | tuxick | Sho_: ye, guess so |
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22:36.19 | tuxick | it times out now, btw |
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22:36.30 | tuxick | it was triggered on some javascript, i think |
22:36.47 | tuxick | ah! |
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22:38.35 | tuxick | it's a rather neat looking javascript popup that was expecting me to click on close |
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23:11.51 | premier_ | Hi, has anyone booted the kde4 liveCD alpha? |
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23:12.42 | premier_ | I'm just worried that its not safe to run on my computer because its alpha... I'm sure, since its kde though, its a high quality product even for an alpha... so should I be concerned? |
23:13.44 | lilltiger | premier_: depends o what you meen with safe |
23:14.04 | wolsni | premier_: the livecd shouldn't have any permanent effects |
23:14.11 | premier_ | lilltiger: like "back-up your computer and pray" is not safe... |
23:14.17 | premier_ | wolsni: good, just making sure |
23:14.42 | lilltiger | premier_: you probly dont even have to mount any disc |
23:15.00 | premier_ | lilltiger: that would be ideal |
23:15.16 | lilltiger | premier_: thats the whole point the a live cd |
23:15.23 | premier_ | whats on there so far, besides the cosmetic stuff? |
23:15.35 | lilltiger | premier_: if you are paranoid, just dissconnects your harddrives.. |
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23:15.47 | premier_ | lilltiger: its a laptop |
23:16.02 | lilltiger | premier_: disable it in the bois then :) |
23:16.05 | lilltiger | bios |
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23:18.07 | premier_ | thats possible? |
23:18.26 | premier_ | I've been in my bios menu, but I don't remember anything like that |
23:19.05 | wolsni | premier_: you could just physically remove the drive :D |
23:19.12 | ryanakca | is there an easy way to update my KDE4 builds? |
23:19.13 | lilltiger | premier_: hmm, then you shouldent change stuff in bios, it's only for advance users : |
23:19.27 | illogic-al | ryanakca: anonymous svn |
23:19.39 | illogic-al | ryanakca: how do you like kde 4 so far? :-) |
23:20.00 | ryanakca | illogic-al: haven't gotten it built yet |
23:20.09 | SimAtWork | premier_: i disagree with lilltiger, play with your bios just figure out how to reset it first :) |
23:20.32 | illogic-al | hey sim. whatcha resettin'? |
23:20.35 | ryanakca | illogic-al: I'm trying to get the newer sources... I would've thought 'svn update' would do the trick, but: |
23:20.41 | ryanakca | Skipped '.' |
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23:20.49 | SimAtWork | illogic-al: back to defaults |
23:20.51 | illogic-al | ryanakca: svn up should do it. |
23:21.09 | SimAtWork | (the bios) |
23:21.13 | ryanakca | illogic-al: I get Skipped '.' |
23:21.15 | premier_ | SimAtWork, lilltiger, I know a little about how to play with my bios... I know enough to stay away from dangerous stuff |
23:21.50 | lilltiger | premier_: playing with harddrives can be dangerous if you dont know what you are doing |
23:22.25 | SimAtWork | well, it won't kill anyone. |
23:22.35 | SimAtWork | don't be affraid, fiddle a little. it's the best way to learn. |
23:22.36 | illogic-al | much |
23:22.40 | lilltiger | SimAtWork: If he sets the wrong amouth of cylinders and heads for the harddrive he might end up with ruining the data on it |
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23:23.26 | tcpsyn | Good evening gentlemen. |
23:23.32 | ryanakca | hey tcpsyn |
23:23.35 | tcpsyn | It was suggested I ask in here about a multihead configuration. |
23:23.58 | tcpsyn | I'd like to run two seperate kde sessions on two seperate monitors without twinview or xinerama. |
23:24.00 | tcpsyn | just two xsessions, started from kdm. |
23:24.07 | tcpsyn | I haven't been able to get that to work right. |
23:24.16 | tcpsyn | I want beryl on one, and mythtv on the other. |
23:24.21 | tcpsyn | any idea how I can make that happen? |
23:24.37 | lilltiger | hmm sound like an xserver quest : |
23:24.41 | lilltiger | :) |
23:25.08 | tcpsyn | I've gotten it to "almost" work a few times. |
23:25.11 | tcpsyn | but nothing solid. |
23:25.23 | lilltiger | you should be able to create several different display from your xserver and attacch different sessions to it |
23:25.36 | tcpsyn | yeah, I just don't know how. |
23:26.34 | wolsni | well, there is an #xorg |
23:27.14 | wolsni | i think that would be a better place to ask |
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23:28.13 | lilltiger | yhee, xorg should be the best bet id say |
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23:30.51 | illogic-al | ryanakca: ping |
23:30.58 | ryanakca | illogic-al: pong |
23:31.22 | illogic-al | are you getting any errors when you svn up? |
23:31.37 | ryanakca | └─(~/kde/build/KDE/kdelibs)-> svn up |
23:31.38 | ryanakca | Skipped '.' |
23:31.58 | ryanakca | and then it goes back to my prompt |
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23:33.42 | illogic-al | ryanakca: it's not an svn directory then |
23:33.49 | ryanakca | hmmm |
23:33.50 | illogic-al | ryanakca: is this from an unpacked tarball? |
23:33.57 | ryanakca | illogic-al: no.. |
23:34.03 | ryanakca | from.... just a sec |
23:34.17 | hodgejj_ | #join pylons |
23:34.39 | illogic-al | ryanakca: doesn't really matter where it's from. for svn to work you need a subversion checkout |
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23:34.58 | Borg^Queen | hi does anyone know how to reset/format an ipod on linux? |
23:35.04 | ryanakca | cd $KDE_SRC |
23:35.04 | ryanakca | mkdir KDE && cd KDE |
23:35.04 | ryanakca | svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdelibs |
23:35.04 | ryanakca | cd kdelibs |
23:35.08 | ryanakca | cmakekde |
23:35.20 | ryanakca | is how I obtained, and tried to build the sources |
23:36.05 | illogic-al | curious |
23:36.08 | ryanakca | very |
23:36.13 | ryanakca | rm -fr and start again? |
23:36.18 | illogic-al | ryanakca: yup. |
23:36.22 | ryanakca | ok |
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23:38.32 | illogic-al | so everyone here will be overjoyed to know that Spreadkde.org will be on it's way back. Soon. |
23:38.54 | illogic-al | Although not necessarily bigger, better and badder than before. |
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23:39.09 | riwa | what's the name of the "control center" program? |
23:39.24 | illogic-al | kcontrol |
23:39.42 | riwa | illogic-al: Thanks ;) |
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23:39.58 | illogic-al | np. |
23:40.05 | illogic-al | riwa: what did I do? |
23:40.57 | riwa | illogic-al: ?? |
23:41.21 | illogic-al | riwa: you said thanks. what'd i do to be thanked for? :-) |
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23:41.30 | Jucato | [07:38] <riwa> what's the name of the "control center" program? |
23:41.30 | Jucato | [07:38] <illogic-al> kcontrol |
23:41.42 | illogic-al | oh |
23:41.49 | illogic-al | damn. i'm getting old |
23:42.02 | illogic-al | I literally forgot about that... |
23:42.39 | riwa | lol |
23:42.44 | riwa | illogic-al: ;) |
23:42.45 | illogic-al | or maybe illogic-al has no short term memory... |
23:42.46 | Jucato | must be RAM |
23:42.49 | ryanakca | lol |
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23:44.49 | illogic-al | NO making fun of the special kid |
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23:46.39 | riwa | Jucato: Man you're up early... (or late) |
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23:50.06 | Jucato | riwa: um... both... it's almost 8am |
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