IRC log for #kde on 20070605

00:00.15ArtimusHow do I make Konqueror google for an invalid URL entered into the location bar?  I had it working on a different install, but I can't find the option.
00:00.23aapzakshould not be neede
00:01.23wolsniArtimus: it's in the search provider config
00:01.23aapzakjust move the kwallet stuff out of .kde and try again
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00:01.32Artimuswolsni: I've got the default search engine set to google.  But if I put "online shopping" into the location bar, it errors out.  I don't want to use a shortcut prefix.
00:01.56wolsnihm, I thought that's what you wanted
00:02.08Artimuswell, now it sort of works
00:02.08aapzakmaybe if you set the default search engine?
00:02.30ArtimusI changed it to space separating.  Now if I enter two or more words in the location bar, it will search
00:02.35andrew_nope moving the kwallet stuff has done nothing, thanks for your help ill just go and nuke my .kde file. Last resort :)
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00:02.44RaleskArtimus: I use something like that, I default to I'm Feeling Lucky, but I have "google" for normal google, and I have things space-separated.  Works just the way it's intended really
00:02.46ArtimusHowever, "Slashdot" won't get me anywhere
00:02.48wolsnithat's what the "default search engine" setting does here
00:03.04deitarionAny idea where I should be asking questions about PyKDE?
00:03.04ArtimusRalesk: Does it work for one word queries?
00:03.09LazydogArtimus: it's under 'web shortcus'
00:03.14LazydogArtimus: it's under 'web shortcuts'
00:03.18Raleskyar
00:03.19aapzakArtimus: yes
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00:03.32Artimus...  Then it has something to do with my ISP hijacking my DNS
00:03.34LazydogDefault search engine
00:03.42Artimusyeah, that's set, and it works now
00:03.53Artimus(I think I had Colon Keyword Delimiter set before, that was my problem)
00:03.54aapzakoff course
00:04.00RaleskArtimus: what does dns have to do with it :P
00:04.15ArtimusRalesk: Charter thinks slashdot is a DNS query and spits out it's Yahoo based spam page
00:04.30andrew_Fixed my kdewallet problem :) Just got rid of .kde, then ran kdeinit (Dont ask me why i did that) and then it seems to work fine
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00:05.07RaleskArtimus: if it's handled by the browser as a searchable term, it should have nothing to do with Charter's DNS query ^^;
00:05.25Raleskbecause the only thing then you'd DNS is google.com
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00:05.38ArtimusRalesk: Alright...  Then for some reason, Konqueror is trying to turn a query for "Slashdot" into http://slashdot
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00:05.46ArtimusAnd then my ISP's DNS servers bring me spam
00:05.58Raleskthat /is/ mighty unusual :)
00:06.33Raleskthen of course, konqueror keeps forgetting my youtube search URI... so nothing should be surprising :)
00:07.02aapzakworst of all, google seems to break more and more for us konqueror users
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00:07.35Raleskyeah, gotta love their gmail breakage :/
00:07.43Artimusyeah, I'm bitter about that
00:07.48aapzakpicasa does not work anymore
00:07.59aapzakand .. the more menu
00:08.08aapzakI cannot search groups anymore
00:08.09Raleskand netvibes has a tendency to send my konq to crashlands with the "empty.txt" download thingy...
00:08.33Ralesk(although I know that's not google affiliated, but still)
00:09.03aapzakI like konqueror a lot, but this google incompatiblilty annoys me
00:09.16aapzakand firebug is a nice tool
00:09.24aapzakwe need that in konq
00:09.46Mekwell, scratch your itch :P
00:11.12RaleskI just reinstalled feisty...  gmail worked once... then it broke o_O;  I remember that I had installed 3.5.7 before I pulled down my system and gmail worked in that too...
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00:11.14aapzakI get the feeling the Ubuntu version of kde has issues?
00:11.18aapzakdid they break it a bit?
00:12.45Raleskdunno.
00:12.51Raleskwhat are you using then?
00:12.54aapzakarch
00:13.07aapzakand gentoo
00:13.24aapzakboth work fine with kde, no wallet issues, or gmail
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00:13.52Raleskhmm, well, the thing that I noticed that google broke was gmail :)
00:13.55aapzakI don't like what they did with kcontrol
00:14.04aapzakoyeah, sry :)
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00:14.56RaleskI really hate the system settings thingy (not sure how global it is, or whether it's ubuntu only) -- I like my kcontrol :3
00:15.13deitarionYou mean what they replaced KControl with. Just type `kcontrol` in the run box to get the normal one.
00:15.25deitarion(My mother is on Kubuntu. I'm on Gentoo)
00:15.30Raleskss reminds me of Windows XP's new way of organising the control items
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00:15.50deitarionIt's a knock-off of the GNOME one.
00:15.53Raleskwhich I couldn't get used to in what, 5 years of constant exposure to XP :)
00:16.08Raleskah
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00:16.37deitarionUnfortunately, the GNOME devs seem to emphasize useless "user-friendliness" over things that are actually helpful.
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00:17.45deitarionLinus Torvalds recommends KDE because he got sick and tired of trying to convince the GNOME devs that an "Advanced Options" button in the printing panel wouldn't scare granny any more than preventing advanced options (like duplex printing) from being usable.
00:18.04RaleskI like apt and the way the guts of a debian system looks, it's actually the reason why I use ubuntu and debian -- and I don't like thinking about having to wait until something finally compiles on my system (hence no gentoo for me)
00:18.10aapzakhe still likes gnome enough to send in patches though
00:18.16Raleskhehe :)
00:18.40Raleskwhat I recently got to know in gnome is gconf... mighty nice.
00:18.44aapzakRalesk: I hate the compiling part, thats why I switched to archlinux
00:18.48Raleskat least the gconf-editor thingy
00:19.03deitarionRalesk: I use Gnome because I demand control of my compile-time deps.
00:19.24deitarions/Gnome/Gentoo/
00:19.32RaleskFreud is spinning in his grave :)
00:19.37deitarion(Yesterday was the tail-end of an all-nighter and it's close to bedtime)
00:19.45aapzak:)
00:20.18aapzakI like the control I have in gentoo, I like the fact that it's the system I have the least problems on when trying something new
00:20.36aapzakbut arch gives me a lot of control too
00:20.42Raleskdunno, never really had problems trying something new here on deb/ub :)
00:21.04aapzakand the build system is not that hard to understand, I can easlily create my own packages
00:21.09deitarionOriginally, my reason for picking Gentoo was because of the lack of distro-wide version numbers.
00:21.17Raleskalthough the word "new" is something that sounds remarkably awkward in the same sentence as Debian :)
00:21.56aapzakRalesk: I had a awfull time trying to get php to run with oracle and sybase support in debian, which is a breeze in gentoo
00:22.08Raleskaapzak: I don't /want/ to create my own packages, unless I'm making the software (like ljKlient) :)  it's a waste of time in my eyes, and so it compiling, really.
00:22.17Ralesks/it /is /;
00:23.19deitarionThen give me a set of Debian or Ubuntu KDE packages without aRTs.
00:23.19aapzakapart from the compiling, gentoo is the ultimate development machine for me
00:23.19deitarionI've got the damn thing hard-masked on this box.
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00:23.25karstenRalesk: Welcome to Debian experimental.;
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00:24.12Raleskaapzak: then again, php is a really silly thing, requiring recompilation for EVERYTHING.
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00:24.17aapzakRalesk: there is no package for php+oracle, how do you handle that in debian, you can't without compiling
00:24.25aapzakyes
00:24.38aapzakand in those situations, gentoo makes me smile
00:24.38Ralesk"oh hey, there's this new thingy I/my client suddenly needs, let's add... oh shit."
00:24.44RaleskI can understand that :)
00:25.06aapzakstiill rebuilding, but only after adding one use flag
00:25.09deitarionI've been meaning to whip up a Python alternative to WordPress for my blog. I'm sick and tired of PHP devs proving that they don't know the meaning of "regression test".
00:25.24Raleskdeitarion: your notifications must all run some program then to make noise?  'cause for me, if I turn of farts there's no system sounds here
00:25.52karstenaapzak: There's some support for doing your own builds in Debian, though not with the level of control and flexibility Gentoo affortds.
00:26.03deitarionRalesk: The only noise-making programs I use are Audacious Media Player and X-Chat. Both non-GNOME GTK+ apps.
00:26.18Raleskaapzak: but of course, compiling isn't impossible in debian, either ;)  apt-source gets ya sources with debpatches
00:26.28aapzakgentoo was build with tthat in mind, would suprise me if debian came near in that field
00:26.40deitarionMy main beef with Debian-based distros is the distro-wide versioning.
00:26.54deitarionAs I said, I originally went to Gentoo for the rolling "current" version.
00:27.09Raleskdeitarion: Ah.  For me alert boxes and for example specially tagged users in Kopete when they log on, make sound.
00:27.27deitarionRalesk: I like visual-only notification for everything that isn't X-Chat.
00:27.29Raleskdeitarion: everything other than gentoo does that, don't they?
00:27.37aapzakRalesk: kopete sound works without arts here
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00:27.48deitarionRalesk: Yeah. I Went WinXP --> Mandrake --> Gentoo.
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00:28.01Raleskaapzak: hmhm
00:28.36aapzaknowadays with software mixing in alsa I see no point in using arts anymore
00:29.03deitarionI dug up an old Yamaha PCI soundcard because ALSA's dmix software mixer is a piece of junk.
00:29.24Raleskdeitarion: in any case, I usually dist-upgrade to whatever's "current bleeding edge" the moment it's announced.  So far the ubuntu peeps have only broken my system once, and that wasn't unrecoverable :)  So I kinda don't care about the distro version number really
00:29.33Raleskdmix is crap, yah :/
00:29.35aapzakI have hardware mixing on this machine as well, but never checked my laptop which works just fine
00:29.59Raleskthis is the funniest shit I've ever had with alsa
00:30.03deitarionThe easiest way to show how junky it is would probably be playing sound and MIDI (via Timidity as a system-wide daemon) at the same time.
00:30.28aapzakmidi? who plays midi :)
00:30.32Raleskbefore I reinstalled, alsa wouldn't work directly.  I could alsaplayer into the OSS /emulation/ though, just fine
00:31.03Ralesknow considering that on linux there's no OSS driver for an nforce2... :)))
00:31.57aapzakcan't wait till 23 October 2007, I'm very curious about the media stuff they're building
00:32.13Raleskyeah
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00:32.54RaleskI wish we could have dumped (or seriously improved) farts ages ago, still in the middle of 3.x
00:33.22aapzakI never like any of the sound daemons
00:33.33aapzakarts, esd
00:33.59Raleskesd at least Just Worked
00:34.02deitarionI'm just hoping they let you pick audio and video backends separately in KDE 4 so I can hack up an Audacious Media Player-based backend and set it for audio only.
00:34.07Raleskwithout introducing 28934273 seconds of delay.
00:34.39Raleskbut I agree, it's stupid.  dmix is the way to go, but it should be a lot better
00:35.01aapzakarts is terrible on my laptop, holds up every sound going through alsa, massive delay, that why I'm running artsless
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00:35.43deitarionKernel-mode mixing is the way to go according to one of the Audacious devs, but I forget who. Probably nenolod.
00:36.06Raleskdeitarion: uh, yes.  Been thinking about that before, too
00:36.18Raleskunfortunately my C-fu sucks arse, so I can't do it
00:36.24Raleskelse it would be long done :/
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00:37.12aapzak:)
00:37.13RaleskIf anything, I can be chased out from anywhere by being shown C code c.c;
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00:37.42Raleskfscking asterisk hunting nightmare of a language :P
00:38.41Frappuccinodoes k3b uses kio_iso ? or thats just Konq
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00:41.44Frappuccinonvm
00:41.58deitarionI only know Python.
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00:42.20aapzakI know I have to go to bed, it's too late
00:42.38aapzakbb people!
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00:44.58deitarionRight now, I'm getting PyKDE set up so I can do a little comparative testing. I need to see how well KHTML+Python compares to Firefox+PyXPCOM and XULRunner+Python for writing a pseudo-spider. (The site in question is so horrible that the only feasible way is to let a browser run the JS and then handle the resulting DOM)
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00:53.58Raleskdeitarion: I got to know python when I was thinking about writing my own livejournal client back in october.  Never even seen a single line of code in it, nor actually seen Qt/KDE code either.  In an afternoon I had a client that did what it had to :)
00:54.16Ralesksure it was crude and abused MainWindow a bit, but hey
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00:54.54Raleskconsidering the pain I went through trying to get a hello world C++/KDE thing to work...
00:54.59deitarionI just found out I'll have to use something Gecko-based because it's easier to build a Python-enabled XULRunner from source than to figure out why PyKDE and Python 2.5 don't get along.
00:55.25Raleskthey get along for me, at least I think they do
00:55.43Raleskthe preview which is a khtml thing does seem to work
00:55.56deitarionYou're probably still on Python 2.4.
00:56.11deitarion2.5 is hard-masked and I got tired of waiting for people to get their acts together.
00:56.30deitarionUbuntu Feisty is on 2.5 now.
00:56.42deitarionI decided I'd waited long enough.
00:58.02RaleskI had both installed and the only thing I had problems with is exiting my program would initiate kcrash in py25
00:58.22Raleskbut I'll have to try again
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01:02.59RaleskI only have py25 installed and the preview works (it's a simple KHTMLPart)
01:03.48deitarionOn mine, the only version of sip that compiles on Py25 is too new for PyKDE and the version of PyQt it asks for.
01:04.13Raleska friend of mine had that problem too, and he too is on gentoo
01:04.44deitarionIf I override the ebuild dep restrictions, I get a build failure in PyKDE.
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01:17.47squidyhi.. could someone here gimme a doc or a way to import a p12 certificate (like thawte freemail) into kmail?
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01:21.40Lars_GQuick question, is there any way to make konqueror show the current source for the html instead of pulling the page again to show the source?
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01:27.19hydrogenwould be nice if it did it like mailody :)
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01:36.28Ben_Jami1If I have kde running on a remote kiosk(sp?) via a terminal server. how can I ssh to the terminal server and spawn processes that get displayed on the kiosks(sp?)?
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01:38.58aseigoBen_Jami1: set the DISPLAY variable properly, make sure you are the user that the kiosk is logged in as, run the command
01:39.19Lars_Git depends on the DISPLAY and X11 forwarding config of your ssh Ben_Jami1, if X11 forwarding is enabled in both sshd and client, it should set the DISPLAY itself correctly and tunnel the X11 thorough ssh
01:39.37Lars_Gelse, just set the DISPLAY correctly and do what aseigo says
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01:42.49Ben_Jami1Lemme elaborate. The kiosk doesn't have ssh installed on it(the daemon or the client). The root window for their session has been forwarded by Xprotocol to the remote host.
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01:44.11aseigoBen_Jami1: so.. you log into the terminal server. su - to the right user, set DISPLAY, run command
01:44.56Ben_Jami1aseigo: How does display need to be set? I have tried DISPLAY=host.ip:0 and no working.
01:45.14Ben_Jami1aseigo: the xorg is running on display :0 on the terminal server.
01:46.06aseigowell, that's for the terminal server; the x server for the kiosk is on the kiosk. just the apps (clients) are running on the server.
01:46.15aseigowhich is. addmitedly. semantically bizarre ;)
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01:47.01Ben_Jami1aseigo: Indeed. So will this probably just be easier to spoof an xprotocol packet than to run a process?
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01:49.52aseigoassumedly if you set the right perms using xhost, you can run apps from the server
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01:50.48Ben_Jami1how would I tell the apps that? Do I execute xhost before each one?
01:51.21aseigothat's something that needs to be done client side
01:51.33aseigoer, x-server side.. so, on the kiosk
01:52.19Ben_Jami1hmm
01:52.32aseigothough i believe if you are already running the desktop remotely like that, the server is already auth'd to display clients on the xserver
01:54.04aseigoBen_Jami1: and you said you tried `export DISPLAY=<ip>:0.0` right?
01:54.12Ben_Jami1aseigo: Yessir.
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01:58.15Ben_Jami1aseigo: I've got it
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01:59.10Ben_Jami1aseigo: allowing tcp on hte xserver and then it opens a port "60XX" XX is the display number for <host>:display
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02:10.29pipHello, anyone use KNetStats ?
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02:15.22gribouillehi
02:15.26gribouillesomeone here ?
02:15.32oefI'm here...
02:15.37oefdunno if I can be much help
02:15.39oefthough
02:15.41oeflol
02:16.19pipwhy is there a tmp_148680 showed by KNetStats ?
02:16.35pipseems it turned up these days
02:16.38gribouillewith my logitech keyboard, I have to press the F-lock key to be able to use the function keys. is it possible to tell kde to do it itself ?
02:18.28oefI really can't help... what OS are you using/
02:18.28oef?
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02:20.40gribouilleoef, who are you talking to ?
02:21.58oefgribouille: you
02:22.08gribouilleoef, linux
02:22.24oefgribouille: which linux distribution?
02:22.35gribouilleoef, fedora core 6
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02:24.07oefgribouille: ... have you tried asking at their IRC channels?
02:24.17gribouilleno
02:26.02oefgribouille: that could be of help
02:26.19oefgribouille: just join #fedora
02:26.41oefat your IRC client
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02:27.09gribouilleoef, already done
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02:29.07oefgribouille: any help from them?
02:29.17gribouilleoef, yes, thanks
02:29.28oefgriboille: ;) nice
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03:40.57txcanybody here had problems compiling qca?
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03:55.36PeterFAI have a problem. My icons are all screwed up. Some of my apps and such have icons associated with them, but most do not. Now I have all these default "something" icons all over the place and it's hard to navigate. I've tried to reinstall KDE and icon sets, but that has brought me here.
03:55.36PeterFAWhat should I do?
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03:55.45aseigoPeterFA: have you tried resetting the icon panel settings?
03:55.55stonedhey
03:55.56stonedwhats up
03:56.07PeterFAaseigo, yes. I'll try again though...
03:56.55PeterFAaseigo, nope, it did not work.
03:57.18PeterFAIt's mainly app icons.
03:57.38PeterFAlike amaroK and kopete and such.
03:57.40aseigoPeterFA: there's only a couple reasons this could be happening:
03:57.53aseigoa) your local settings are messed up (they found in kglobasettingsrc btw)
03:58.01aseigob) your icon theme is messed up on disk
03:58.30PeterFAThese are the only two?
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03:58.39aseigothere are other potentials, but rather unlikely
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03:59.40PeterFAaseigo, I would be happy to get a default icon for each object.
03:59.48wolsnispeaking of messed up paths, man:/ and info:/ kioslaves are generating html that works, but lists the wrong URL for the stylesheet
03:59.59PeterFAEven icons for widgets have disappeared, aseigo.
04:00.13wolsniit seems to just omit $KDEDIR
04:01.01PeterFAaseigo, if I delete the local icon settings, would it load a default theme for everything?
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04:02.05ContrastGreets, everyone...
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04:03.04aseigoPeterFA: it should, yes
04:03.08aseigoContrast: yo
04:03.24PeterFAaseigo, where is that file located?
04:03.39PeterFAcd ../kderc
04:03.42aseigo`kde-config --localprefix`/share/config/kdeglobalsrc
04:03.42PeterFAer.
04:03.52aseigo--localprefix usally == ~/.kde
04:06.03ContrastI'm having a problem getting rid of a certain folder in KMenu. I delete it in KMenuEdit, save and quit, and it's still there next time I open KMenuEdit. I even tried deleting the .desktop file for the folder, still no luck. Any ideas?
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04:06.52john_emilyhey yall
04:07.19ContrastHey
04:07.48john_emilyhow are you
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04:08.12john_emilywhat flavor of linux u peeps running?
04:08.23ContrastKubuntu 7.04
04:08.27john_emilyi just did a clean install of fedora 7
04:08.42john_emilykewlies
04:10.41wolsnijohn_emily: F7 here as well
04:10.41ContrastSo no one here has had this problem with the KDE menu? It's driving me bat$*&! crazy. :-D
04:10.43PeterFAaseigo, I got some of the app icons back when I found out my theme was still set to "Wasp" so I went and used the config proggy to change it to kde-classic.
04:10.57PeterFAaseigo, still, amarok, kopete, and a few others have no icons on like the taskbar and such.
04:11.05aseigokde classic doesn't have icons for those aps
04:11.11aseigothey are newer than kdeclassic
04:11.12PeterFAOh
04:11.20aseigoand nobody makes kdeclassic icons anymore.. not since kde2 days
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04:11.51PeterFAaseigo, I intended to changet he theme because I like vector icons. Them is sexies.
04:11.51john_emilywhere you folks from?
04:12.00aseigojohn_emily: mars.
04:12.03canllaithvenus
04:12.03aseigoor so the book said.
04:12.07canllaithsnap
04:12.08aseigocanllaith: ehehehe
04:12.10PeterFAjohn_emily, Redmond campus.
04:12.14aseigocanllaith: well doen.
04:12.15aseigoer, done
04:12.25john_emilykewlies
04:12.34canllaithYou're the only man I've ever danced with for a reason ;)
04:12.38john_emilyredmond? that where MS is based is it
04:12.46canllaithMy work hates me :( *sniff*
04:12.49PeterFAaseigo, do I have to resetart apps to get their icon change to take effect?
04:12.51canllaithIt's trying to make me cry today
04:13.02aseigoPeterFA: not if they are coded properly =)
04:13.03PeterFAaseigo, like on the task bar, or that little one on the bottem right with all the little icons?
04:13.05canllaithPeterFA: only systray icons
04:13.06john_emilyim from down under
04:13.08canllaith'cause kicker aint coded properly
04:13.11PeterFAaseigo, systray ones, yes.
04:13.13aseigoah, systray icons, yeah
04:13.17aseigocanllaith: hehe. you are EVIL
04:13.23canllaithThat's why you love me
04:13.30PeterFAWhat about apps with icons inside them, like amaroK's buttons?
04:13.34aseigoyou know me too well.
04:13.36ContrastCouldn't you just kill and restart Kicker for the systray icons to update?
04:13.41aseigoContrast: no
04:13.46aseigoContrast: they are out of process
04:13.51ContrastOhh
04:13.56aseigoand killing kicker is the perfect way to lose your tray icons
04:14.03aseigoyou want to do `dcopquit kicker` if anything
04:14.14aseigothat should give it a clean shutdown of the panel
04:14.50john_emilybye
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04:15.05PeterFAaseigo, it seems the cleanest way is to restart KDE entirely.
04:15.06ContrastHmm... They always return to the systray when I kill and restart it that way, but either way, I will be using that command you just mentioned from now on. I always wondered what that was.
04:15.33villr[]yethe eagle1__ has landed.
04:15.52aseigoContrast: yeah, you're just getting lucky.. that and i tried my best to make it possible to get lucky, but it's still very possible to lose the systray icons that way
04:16.13ContrastI'm having a problem getting rid of a certain folder in KMenu. I delete it in KMenuEdit, save and quit, and it's still there next time I open KMenuEdit. I even tried deleting the .desktop file for the folder, still no luck. Any ideas?
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04:16.39villr[]yelook in ~./local Contrast
04:16.40PeterFAWhoa, kopete, after looking at the config, recovered some icons.
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04:17.16Contrastvillr[]ye: ~/.local/share/desktop-directories?
04:17.33villr[]yeContrast: yesh.
04:17.36aseigo~/.local/share/apps/ and ~/.config/menus/
04:17.52aseigoer, share/applications/
04:18.06villr[]yeor what he said. since he's actually running kde and i'm not :-)
04:18.08Contrastvillr[]ye: Already deleted it from there, yet it persists.
04:18.15aseigoContrast: ~/.config/menus/
04:18.54aseigorun `kbuildsycoca --noincremental` afterwards for fun
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04:20.04ContrastThanks, aseigo. I'm editing the file now...
04:20.11PeterFAaseigo, you're right... you have to restart the proggy.
04:20.23PeterFAI just got amaroK back.
04:20.40PeterFATime to really clean up everything... brb.
04:20.59Contrastaseigo: What's that command do?
04:21.09aseigomagic.
04:21.22aseigokbuildsycoca == kde build system configuration cache
04:21.54aseigoit runs automatically after a period of time when things change on disk if all works well, but it's more fun to be impatient and run it manually
04:22.34aseigowolsni: only on mondays.
04:22.39ContrastHmm... Just ran it, and got this: "kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!"
04:22.42aseigowolsni: canllaith takes the rest of the days.
04:23.01aseigowe take turns being right. or something like that =)
04:23.07aseigoContrast: that's not actually an error.
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04:23.38PeterFASweet, look at the icons :)
04:23.40aseigoContrast: it's what you should see. it's more informational than anything, just uses the wrong output mech
04:23.52wolsniwell, it's actually just barely Tuesday in my timezone
04:23.57PeterFAI was worried I'd have to manually set each one.
04:23.59ContrastOhh, ok. Thanks.
04:24.23aseigowolsni: time for me to get stupid then.
04:24.40PeterFAaseigo, rebooting to Windows?
04:24.47aseigolol
04:25.09aseigowhat man:/ problem?
04:25.12ContrastGrr...
04:25.29PeterFAI love KDE: it looks so good and my system can run it.
04:25.31ContrastThis file is still listing shit that I deleted months ago.
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04:25.45PeterFAThese same effects on Windows just kill it.
04:26.00wolsnithe html generated by man:/ and info:/ kioslaves references the wrong URLs for CSS and images
04:26.03thoweCan Kate do proper Lisp indentation?
04:26.05villr[]yePeterFA: effects?
04:26.11PeterFAIt's so much more integrated and functional.
04:26.25wolsniit seems to be omitting $KDEDIR from the path
04:26.35PeterFAvillr[]ye, translucency, shadows... fade ins, etc.
04:28.14aseigowolsni: hm. odd. dunno about that one.
04:28.15villr[]yePeterFA: beryl?
04:28.15wolsnioh well
04:28.15PeterFAvillr[]ye, no
04:28.16villr[]yeoh. kcompmgr
04:28.16PeterFAvillr[]ye, just KDE without that stuff. My box cannot run that.
04:28.16PeterFAvillr[]ye, I think so.
04:29.00PeterFAwazzat?
04:29.10PeterFAkde port?
04:29.29wolsniPeterFA: the new version of KWin for KDE4
04:29.49aseigoit's kwin for kde4; includes a beryl style compositor with opengl, render and NULL support
04:29.51PeterFAI can't wait for kde4
04:30.24aseigoheh
04:30.32PeterFAheh
04:30.46PeterFANo, hurry up and gimme KDE4!
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04:31.02wolsniyou could try to build a time machine :)
04:31.07coobrasabayonlive <--- is that fun or what
04:31.22coobrawolsni: gimmi
04:31.28wolsniif you finish before KDE4 is out you can skip ahead
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04:31.35aseigolol
04:31.51coobraor
04:31.52wolsnior if you don't then you've got a project to keep you busy till then
04:32.02coobrago back and get rich
04:32.04aseigothen you can bring the code 3 years and make us look stellar
04:32.14aseigoer, 3 years back
04:32.15PeterFAaseigo, hehe
04:32.56PeterFAaseigo, I could go into the future and get the leaked M$ code and give it to Samba and Wine.
04:33.03aseigoand then you can have it totally early
04:33.19PeterFAI could have it by yesterday.
04:35.14Contrastaseigo: Is it safe to overwrite applications-kmenuedit.menu with a copy of the file from a different machine?
04:35.31aseigoContrast: in ~/.config? just delete it
04:35.56Contrast.config/menus, but yeah.
04:36.27ContrastSo it will automatically recreate with up-to-date settings?
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04:39.58aseigoContrast: yes.
04:42.37ContrastAnd now there are empty folders there which I had previously created (and subsequently deleted).
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04:44.15ContrastSo umm... Is there a way to keep any changes from automatically being made to KMenu? I'm guessing just make applications-kmenuedit.menu read-only?
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04:48.58ELEVENNNNwonder
04:49.02ELEVENNNNwhat was the command to login again
04:49.05ELEVENNNN'/nc?
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04:49.51premier_hi, has anyone ever heard of a download them all like feature for konqueror, like the firefox extension?
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04:52.10premier_something that easily downloads all of the files that fit a particular prototype on a webpage?  Like, every image on a webpage?
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04:53.13Contrastpremier_: I've yet to find ANY extensions for Konqueror, so good luck. :)
04:53.34premier_Contrast: well, konqueror doesn't have true extensions, yes
04:53.44thiagothey are all in kdeaddons
04:53.49premier_Contrast: but it has things like service menus, plugins, scripts
04:53.58thiagoextensions = plugins
04:54.06premier_thiago: exactly
04:54.08ContrastOhh. I see.
04:54.46premier_Contrast: as far as I can tell, plugins don't slow down konqueror like FF
04:55.17aseigoahahaha. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ejLtDJ5V-9g
04:55.32ContrastI'm guessing because in Konqueror, they only load when you call for them?
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04:56.16thiagono, they stay loaded
04:56.27thiagobut they are only run/called upon when they are needed.
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04:56.48thiagothere's nothing stopping someone from writing a stupid extension that does slow down Konqueror.
04:56.51thiagono one has.
04:57.21premier_thiago: well, no one would want it
04:57.25Jucatopremier_: how about KGet's List all lnks?
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04:58.10premier_Jucato: I just found that... but it doesn't have features that download them all seem to have, like downloading images and embedded content... am I missing them?
04:58.21Jucatoaaah not really sure... :(
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04:58.29aseigoSlowKonq 0.1: Emulates other popular free software browsers.
04:59.08ContrastI really want to drop Firefox, but I've yet to find stuff for Konqueror that will make it do what I need it to.
04:59.34premier_aseigo: lol... actually, it'd be nice if konq could emulate ff or ie... sometimes websites are written for browsers, not standards, and it real annoying
04:59.46premier_Contrast: well, what do you need it to do?
05:00.12premier_I'd also like to see a fixed search bar...
05:00.24ContrastWell, what DownThemAll! does, for one. :)
05:00.25Jucatofixed search bar?
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05:01.17premier_Jucato: well, a real time search that actually has its own text box... and the ability to search google while in file browser mode
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05:01.24ContrastAlong with download embedded flash videos, and run StumbleUpon.
05:01.27Andrew{Sleepz}Hi all
05:01.29aseigopremier_: often i just go Tools -> Change Browser Identifications -> <pick something> and tha tworks
05:01.48Jucatopremier_: hm.. "gg:search term" in the location bar?
05:01.51premier_actually, I wish konqueror was just always in web browser mode, even while veiwing files
05:01.52aseigopremier_: already exists
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05:02.05premier_Jucato: I forget about that
05:02.20premier_aseigo: what?  browser emulation?
05:02.35premier_aseigo: what I mean is, change the rendering engine to imitate ff
05:02.38Jucatobeing in web browser mode while being in file manager mode <-- doesn't make sense :)
05:03.13premier_Jucato: what I mean is, konqueror likes to turn stuff on and off depending on what your doing.  I'd rather just have one configuration
05:03.24aseigopremier_: no, being in web browser mode when viewing files
05:03.33ContrastSo does anyone know if there's a way to make it so that no automatic changes are ever made to KMenu, without causing any problems?
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05:03.49premier_Contrast: what automatic changes?
05:03.50Andrew``can anyone tell me why KaudioCreator cant access the CDDB site for ruipping CD's to MP3s?
05:03.52Shirakawasunaaseigo: how would that look different? ;)
05:04.07ContrastWhen programs are installed/removed, etc.
05:04.29premier_Contrast: why would you want it to stay the same?
05:04.48aseigoShirakawasuna: yeah, i know
05:04.56premier_aseigo: you know that ff has an extension to emulate ie6?  Something like that would be cool
05:05.13Shirakawasunawhoops, that was intended for premier_
05:05.24ContrastBecause the automatic changes are giving me problems (double entries when I change the original, etc.).
05:05.29Shirakawasunapremier_: how would konqueror look different in the case you're mentioning?
05:05.29premier_Shirakawasuna: well, for one thing, the search menu changes
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05:05.52Shirakawasunapremier_: you mean the plugin?
05:05.58premier_take a look at this: http://www.newegg.com/
05:05.59Contrastaseigo: I assume you're familiar with IEs4Linux?
05:06.06Shirakawasunabah, gotta go work
05:06.12Jucatopremier_: for one thing, IE has sort of like a KPart on Windows (I think it's called COM). So it's quite easy to embed that. Gecko, afaik, isn't
05:06.42premier_if you hover over that button that says computer hardware, the drop down menu is hidden behind the advertisment?
05:06.55Jucatobesides, it's one thing to just "embed" IE in Firefox, and quite another thing to make Firefox's UI completely work with what's embedded and vice versa
05:06.57premier_is that correct konqueror behavior or is that a bug?
05:07.11Jucatowhat computer hardware button?
05:07.21Jucatoah wait
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05:08.19Jucatoit might be a KHTML issue... better confirm with #khtml guys (I've been observing that for quite some time)
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05:09.01ContrastSo no one knows how to keep automatic changes from being made to KMenu?
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05:09.58premier_Contrast: I don't know, thats a weird error. I never uninstall stuff on my computer... I don't think theres a reason unless theres a conflict, which there never is
05:10.10basantacan kopete integrate webcam
05:10.46ContrastHmm... Well, thanks anyway, premier_
05:10.57Contrastaseigo: Any ideas?
05:11.05premier_basanta: I think their introducing support for that
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05:13.11basantapremier_, is there any applications that already does
05:13.41Contrastbasanta: For which protocols?
05:14.01basantaContrast, msn
05:14.26ContrastNot sure. Have you tried Gaim/Pidgin?
05:15.31SAS_Spidey01Theres got to be a better portable Multi protocol IM Client then Kopete and Pidgin....
05:16.00ContrastToo bad Gyache's only for Yahoo
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05:17.13sortadi_yes, amsn does webcams just fine
05:17.15sortadi_try it
05:17.38premier_basanta: you should try gaim... it seems to be the most mature
05:18.06Contrastnka Pidgin ;-)
05:18.41ContrastBecause AO-hell got too touchy
05:19.24ContrastWell, I'm getting off here. G'nite, everyone.
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05:33.38basantaany webcam viewer for kde ?
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05:35.00bsdfox_hey anyone here setup fluxbox to run instead of kwin?
05:36.02bsdfox_under kde, with amarok, firefox, konqueror, konsole open I idle at like 1.50 load avg and X uses 30-50% cpu. under fluxbox with the same programs open I idle at 0.00 load and X uses ~0.3% cpu
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05:36.16bsdfox_:\
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05:42.09SmakAnyone know how to add a string to a cell in openoffice? Like  =SUM(A1+A2) + "Hello" ?
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05:43.25Simeon_Hwell... that's more of an openoffice question
05:43.36Simeon_Hif it had to do with Koffice you could ask it here >_>
05:43.42Smakyea, bit desprate
05:46.10premier_bsdfox_: idk, I have a good computer... it seems like I can run as many apps as i want, even amarok with a huge collection, and still have almost 0% cpu while idle
05:46.42premier_which, btw, windows would not do ever
05:46.47bsdfox_premier_: this is on an athlon64 3200+@2ghz w/ 1gb ram (had 2gb a couple weeks ago and had same problems)
05:47.18premier_bsdfox_: maybe theres a bug... thats sounds like something wrong
05:47.25bsdfox_premier_: that's what I'm thinking
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05:47.36premier_you should be able to run kde just fine with only a few apps open
05:47.42bsdfox_system runs great under fluxbox even with all those apps + kdesktop and kicker
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05:48.14bsdfox_so I think kwin is really the only thing not loaded?
05:48.28premier_bsdfox_: yeah, the high cost of stability is features... I'd rather use kde
05:48.49premier_bsdfox_: maybe... theres probably something wrong
05:48.49bsdfox_I have a 16mb pci TNT in here right now too.. think that has anything to do with it (doubtful)?
05:49.19premier_bsdfox_: how does kde run when you have *nothing* but kwin running?
05:49.28bsdfox_premier_: it's weird cause it's X using all the resources under KDE
05:49.33premier_and, you know kdesktop, etc
05:49.39bsdfox_premier_: hmm how would I start that?
05:49.48premier_bsdfox_: well, somethings making X requests
05:50.10bsdfox_oh just a base KDE session? with NOTHING open it idles at 0.00, if I open up anything it starts getting the load up (a lot of times it idles around 3.00 load)
05:50.14premier_I'd think just close all the programs, close everything in the system tray... see what works
05:50.31premier_anything?  even like, kwrite or konsole?
05:50.42bsdfox_definitely with konsole
05:50.51bsdfox_not true under fluxbox which is weird
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05:52.28Andrew``Can anyone suggest a CD Ripping Program for Suse? Also, a web page design program?
05:52.55premier_Andrew``: well, supposedly k3b is the best
05:53.04premier_I think its pretty nice
05:53.20Andrew``does that rip CD's  into MP3's?
05:53.25premier_Andrew``: I'm sure theres lots of webpage designers out there
05:53.28bsdfox_Andrew``: nvu or bluefish
05:53.30JucatoAndrew``: CD Ripping = k3b, kaudiocreator, konqueror
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05:53.41Jucatoweb design: Quanta, Nvu, etc.
05:53.45premier_Andrew``: yeah, if you have mp3 support installed
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05:55.32bsdfox_heh I can't get my system load over 0.8 in fluxbox :P couldn't get it that low with kwin
05:55.34bsdfox_messed up
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06:11.25MilhousePunkRockHello everyone!
06:12.02txcmy qca build is crasing on the ssl thing.
06:12.12MilhousePunkRockI am lacking file size view in Konqueror on Gentoo (KDE 3.5.7, kde-base/startkde). Does anyone know if that is a plugin I need to install?
06:12.44JucatoMilhousePunkRock: konq-plugins
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06:15.20MilhousePunkRockJucato: Hi and thanks... Is that the same as "kfile" plugins? Because I already installed some of those.
06:15.37Jucatono.it's different
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06:16.31MilhousePunkRockbecause kfile multimedia gave me the tag info for mp3 and kfile graphics thumbnail view in mouse over, just like i am used to it from kubuntu
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06:17.53MilhousePunkRockJucato: Do you use Gentoo and Kubuntu on the same box, dual boot?
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06:17.58Jucatoyes
06:17.59vIkSiThi all
06:18.06vIkSiTdoes amarok have a dependency on python?
06:18.13Jucatoon Ruby, afaik
06:18.16vIkSiTah
06:18.36MilhousePunkRockIs there a real performance advantage from Gentoo's optimization?
06:19.18Jucatodunno really. haven't tried to bench mark things
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06:19.56MilhousePunkRockJucato: If it's only noticeable in a benchmark, it's pretty much not there, huh?
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06:25.25MilhousePunkRockvIkSiT: Look here --> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Requirements
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06:25.40vIkSiTah thanks!
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06:40.52premier_Hi, does anyone here use a Japanese -> English dictionary and can point me in the right direction? I installed a few dictionaries from the ubuntu repos but none of them seem to work
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07:38.56oneforallumm how do I stop kde from going to the blank screen like cli does ?
07:39.27oneforallI don't remmeber ever having to turn anything off on this box. But fresh install and 3.5.7 I get that O.o
07:39.46oneforallscreensaver is off
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07:46.35oneforallDPMS don't have this in xorg.conf
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07:52.06Chanioneforall: power management settings maybe?
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07:55.53oneforallwhere are they ?
07:55.56noiesmoHey all is kompmgr part of kde 3.5.7
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07:57.36Jucatonoiesmo: yes
07:58.11noiesmoJucato, cheers asked in kubuntu first then realised should ask kde
07:58.35noiesmoJucato, is there a way to disable it as beryl don't like it?
07:59.04JucatoKControl -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency tab
07:59.21Jucatoor the equivalent location in System Settings
07:59.49noiesmoJucato, cool I did turn that on after upgrading to 3.5.7
07:59.57noiesmoJucato, thanks for your help
08:01.12Jucatosure
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08:16.00Andrew``Can anyone tell me where to change the bit rate that K3B uses to rip CD's to MP3s?
08:16.02villr[]yeAndrew``: that is set in the k3b ripping dialog.
08:16.06villr[]yeAndrew``: there is a dropdown box on the first screen of the ripping dialog which allows you to chenge bitrate settings
08:19.00Andrew``villr[]ye: I am sorry I dont see that drop down box
08:19.35villr[]yeAndrew``: are you at the ripping screen right now?
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08:21.17Andrew``be = been
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08:30.21oneforallor the monitor display managment ? thats of too
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09:17.38oneforallhey kde doesn't require hal tight ? you can use it or not? if it is installed is there some where in control to turn it off ?
09:17.51oneforallor is the only way not installing it
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09:30.34amaxhi all
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09:32.44amaxso... help me plz
09:32.55amaxWARNING: Problem deleting stale lockfile /home/amax/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals.lock
09:33.10waltercooland restarting?
09:33.12amaxmany more messages like this
09:33.35amaxmy home mounted via cifs... from samba server
09:33.52amaxall applications works fine, but kde doesnt
09:33.58waltercoolrestart and see
09:34.07amaxany restarts
09:34.08waltercoolif dont work... revdep-rebuild
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09:34.50amaxhm.. ( no ideas how to fix that my error.. if home on local disk - all ok.
09:35.20waltercoolif u want delete it, im sure about root can delete
09:35.38amaxall ok with permissions
09:35.52amaxit is problem with samba/locking style
09:36.03amaxinode info I think
09:36.12waltercoolmmm... idk how use very good samba :S
09:36.17waltercoolsorry
09:36.36amaxso no one to have solution for this, correct?
09:37.04waltercoolmaybe someone have... but nobody is avariable... i think
09:37.27amaxi see
09:37.28amaxpity
09:41.00villr[]yeamax: what's the problem?
09:41.29villr[]yeamax: ah. i see. no clue how to help sorry.
09:41.48villr[]yeamax: why not try deleting the file yourself?
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09:47.27mardihi all, i have konqueror set to not display images but when I open a link within akregator it displays images. whasup?
09:48.39villr[]yemaybe akregator is hardcoded to use konqueror to display images.
09:48.51Narishmamardi: I think the settings are different between konqueror and akregator
09:49.00villr[]yealternatively you may not have prevented konqueror from loading all image types
09:49.09mardihrm
09:49.27Jucatowhich part of akregator exactly? the "preview" portion doesn't follow KHTML settings afaik
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09:50.43mardiJucato: i have akregator set to open clicked links in a new tab, within itself. that's where i'd like to not see images
09:51.14mardii'm not bothered about a few mug shots in the preview portion
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09:51.35Jucatomardi: have you restarted akregator after you've made the changes in Konqueror?
09:51.47amaxvillr[]ye the problem is
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09:52.01amaxkde don;t functioning properly
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09:52.09amaxif my home is mounted via cifs
09:52.18nox-Handigli: welcome to doom :) Doooooom! :D
09:52.22amaxjust hangs on startup
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09:52.41amaxon each place where .lock file are created
09:53.03mardiJucato: well ya see.. that's part of the issue. I've had images turned off in konqi for a few weeks and i was not seeing images in akregator, which is what i want, until today, when akregartor decides it will show them on it's own. I've changed nothing in konqi
09:53.03iglihi kde no longer logs in as user, but works as root. as user hangs on initialising system services; i have reinstalled kdelibs, no luck. 3.5.5 on gentoo
09:53.03villr[]yeamax: so kde is on a network drive?
09:53.15amaxno
09:53.22amaxonly my home
09:53.29amaxkde installed locally
09:53.32amaxkubuntu
09:53.36Jucatomardi: hm... in that case I'm not sure what's going on then...
09:53.46amaxjust mounting my home via cifs
09:53.47villr[]yeok. your home dir is on a network drive.
09:53.52amaxyes sure
09:53.59knoppixgentoo ruls
09:54.12amaxthe huge problem with kde..
09:54.17amaxwith .lock files
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09:54.20mardiaye, it's odd, i've double checked that images are still off in konqi, akregator is/has always been set to use konqi for opening links...
09:54.39pparkerhello everyone
09:54.42iglias user kded takes up 100% of cpu, not so as root
09:54.57villr[]yeamax: I'm assuming this worked at one point in time. but if you're mounting network drives, why aren't you using nfs?
09:55.10villr[]yepparker: giorgos you rat bastard.
09:55.12amaxnfs isn't secured
09:55.25amaxb/c it can't do per user mounts
09:55.28villr[]yepparker: wth are you doind here? :-)
09:55.42amaxand any workstation is not secured andpoint
09:55.46amaxendpoint
09:56.04amaxneed to share /home/$user over network
09:56.13pparkeri know konqueror is able to open iso images using kio protocols with a syntax like "iso:/myfile.iso"
09:56.14amaxnow it good with pam_mount
09:56.19villr[]yeamax: google it.
09:56.21amaxall works well but kde not
09:56.22pparkerit works (tm)
09:56.28amaxgoogle empty with this issue
09:56.37amaxseems to be  a kde logic bug
09:56.40villr[]yeamax: so'm i.
09:56.45pparkerbut how to use this kio protocol by default
09:56.46amax1. lock files NOT in tmp dir
09:56.51pparker?
09:56.57amax2. bugged funtions for lock files
09:57.03villr[]yeamax: file a bug reprt. but check to see if it's been filed before.
09:57.19amax3. it not uses $KDETMP and so on..
09:57.47iglikde no longer works as user - hangs on initialising system services; i have reinstalled kdelibs, no luck. 3.5.5 on gentoo
09:57.58igliany ideas on what i can check?
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10:01.45pparkervillr[]ye: any ideas ?
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10:05.02villr[]yepparker: you'd like to use kio iso:// to open iso files by default?
10:05.11pparkerexactly
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10:05.43pparkerbut i don't know how
10:06.04villr[]yei don't know thinks that's possible.
10:06.27pparkerwhy not ?
10:06.36villr[]yeI think you'd need a service menu to do that type of thing.
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10:07.23villr[]yepparker: because a far as I know, you can't assigned kioslaves in the filetype manager dialog, only apps and kparts
10:08.07pparkerit works with pdf,zip,tar.gz
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10:09.27Jefishttp://www.speedyshare.com/917927496.html Check this out, and tell me what you think :)
10:09.29villr[]yepparker: Check the filetype manager in kcontrol, go to the Embedding section, and see if you can duplicate the settings there in order to use iso://
10:09.52villr[]yepparker: i'm not in linux right now so I  can't check myself.
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10:13.09JefisAnyone?
10:14.57villr[]yemorning annma
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10:16.56Jefisvillr[]ye: check my kde4 mockup :)
10:16.56annmahi!
10:17.07villr[]yeJefis: i just did.
10:17.08annmaJefis: kde4 mockup?
10:17.15annmafor what?
10:17.25villr[]yehttp://www.speedyshare.com/917927496.html
10:17.32Jefisam, simple widget i think it would be useful
10:17.53Jefisvillr[]ye: what you think?
10:17.55villr[]yeannma: stuff kuiserver would do i think.
10:18.12annmalet me look
10:18.50villr[]yeJefis: i think the icon needs work, the speeds for downloading actions should be shown but the idea is very good.
10:19.09villr[]yeJefis: it also been proposed before :-)
10:19.30annmayes it's not new
10:19.34Jefisi now, but i'm trying to make it work :)
10:19.37villr[]yeback in the dark days when KDE 4 was but a thought in the minds of us mere mortals.
10:19.41annmaok that's good
10:19.52annmaif you want a tester I am running kde4
10:20.10villr[]yeannma: did libs monday break anything yesterday?
10:20.20villr[]yei didn't try. i was scared :-D
10:20.28villr[]yethat and i forgot ...
10:20.41annmano, it all builds nicely
10:20.54annmadid you update qt-copy last week?
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10:21.13villr[]yeannma: yeah. kdepimlibs was bitching at me so i had to.
10:21.16Jefisi don't see many differences between 3 and 4 for now...
10:21.19villr[]yepardon my french :-)
10:21.29annma;)
10:21.32annmaJefis: ?
10:21.57Jefiscan you give me totaly great screenshots?
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10:22.19Jefisi was taking tour at shots.osdir.com i guess, but it didn't impress me much
10:22.28premier_Hi, has anyone tried the kde4 liveCD?
10:22.28Jucatodoes your concept of "difference" only include "appearance"?
10:22.41Jefisyes :)
10:22.52Jucatotime for a reality check, then :)
10:22.54villr[]yeannma: I'm not really planning on building it that much anymore. it's not like there's anything useful I can contribute now anyways :-/
10:23.01Jucatoanyway, it's a WIP
10:23.07annmavillr[]ye: why not?
10:23.28annmayou should do like me, try your hands on some plasmoids
10:23.31JucatoJefis: better check planetkde.org and dot.kde.org for the latest screencasts, specially kwin_composite and plasma
10:23.36villr[]yeannma: because I'm still on chapter 1 of C++ Primer :-)
10:23.42Jucatoheh!
10:24.25JefisJucato: saw that with kwin, that was amazing :)
10:24.25JucatoI couldn't get the latest edition of the book here :(
10:24.25premier_I'm buring the iso right now... It won't damage my computer, right?  (with alpha software, you don't know)
10:24.25villr[]yeannma: that sounds cool actually. but what would I make...
10:24.25JucatoAt least I finished Ch 8 of my C++ book
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10:24.25villr[]yeannma: are old applets being converted over?
10:24.26Jucatovillr[]ye: you could always participate in the HIG Hunting Season
10:24.31villr[]yeJucato: EW
10:24.37Jucato??
10:24.48annmavillr[]ye: old applets?
10:24.52villr[]yeew. asin, yuck.
10:24.57Jucatowhy?
10:25.15Jucato(btw, if you mean kicker applets, then no, I don't think so. kicker is going to be killed)
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10:25.22villr[]yeannma: are old kicker applets being converted to plasmoids. maybe i could do that. because I have no ideas on new applets.
10:25.47annmato convert old applets you need to understand new system villr[]ye
10:25.51annmawhat applet for ex?
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10:26.41villr[]yeannma: I don't think I'd have a problem understanding the new system.
10:27.09villr[]yeannma: just curious as to what I could do if I did want to write plasmoids.
10:27.16Jucatovillr[]ye: head on over to #plasma if you feel the urge :)
10:27.22annmaah chapter 1 on C++
10:27.28annmaI see
10:27.30villr[]yealready there. :-)
10:27.38villr[]yeYES. I art teh noob.
10:27.43annmaseems a bit thin on C++
10:27.52villr[]yewell, not totally. but pretty much.
10:27.54Jucatobtw, hi annma! :)
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10:28.11annmahi Jucato :)
10:28.31annmavillr[]ye: take an "old" applet and recode it as a plasmoid
10:28.50villr[]yeannma: like the systray?
10:29.03circuslemonhi
10:29.03annmalol no
10:29.15annmathe systray is not for a C++ noob
10:29.20villr[]yebut klipper needs someplace to live :-D
10:29.44annmaif you have never contributed to kde the best is to contribure some Krazy or dashboard fixes
10:29.51villr[]yeannma: taskbar?
10:30.07annmano, this stuff is above your level probably
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10:30.33annmaI don't see how you would do it, except if you're a programming genius
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10:31.05canllaithYeah, the systray is a really horrible bit of code
10:31.11villr[]yeI'm no genius, but I am familiar w/ C++. And persistent :-D
10:31.17canllaithEntirely to do with the nasty X11 'standard' it's built for, not so much the fault of KDE
10:31.39villr[]yecanllaith: annma , oh not the systray. i gave up on that when you said no. the taskbar.
10:31.46villr[]yethat seems "simple"
10:31.54annmasurely not
10:32.22villr[]yeannma: and I can't find the apidox. shouldn't they be on the EBN?
10:32.34annmavillr[]ye: it's code in developing
10:32.42annmatat's why I say it's not "simple"
10:32.54annmathe whole desktop concept is in building
10:33.10annmaso the "taskbar" is not defined I think
10:33.29Sho_annma: the taskbar might be managable, the hard code is bottled up in a lib
10:33.32bram85EBN does not contain docs
10:33.41annmaif you want to go for that sort of stuff you have to coordinate with the plasma team
10:34.00annmaSho_: the guy is in ch++ Primer
10:34.11annmacapter 1 C++
10:34.14villr[]yeannma: see i told you there wasn't anything i could contribute now :-)
10:34.15annma+h
10:34.34annmavillr[]ye: I told you what: simple plasloids or Krazy checks
10:34.51annmathere's always something for everyone
10:35.03villr[]yeannma: what simple plasmoids?
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10:35.14annmavillr[]ye: I don't know, have some ideas
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10:36.14villr[]yenot a one.
10:36.28villr[]yewell, none that I think i could do now.
10:36.54annmawell maybe you have to think about it
10:37.06annmaand not just say "I have none"
10:37.18annmafor ex I did one to display a pic in a frame
10:37.27annmaextended to display a pic from the internet
10:37.46annmaseems trivial but nothing is
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10:37.59villr[]yeain't that the truth.
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10:38.34annmayoucan do a Wikipedia search applet, a mp3 player one, a weather displayer,....
10:38.44sasha_Hi to all
10:38.46Mekan icecream monitor plasmoid would be cool :P
10:38.53annmajust press my "On" button and I'll give you more ideas
10:39.04villr[]yelol
10:39.05annmaicemon?
10:39.20annmajust remove the windecos?
10:40.09villr[]yewindecos?
10:40.11sasha_Where can i get some cool icon packages for KDE 3.5
10:40.20villr[]yesasha_: kde-look.org
10:40.27sasha_Thanks
10:40.41villr[]yenp sasha_
10:40.57annmaMek: take icemon and remove the win decos?
10:41.44Mekyeah.. perhaps that would indeed be usable as well :)
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10:43.52villr[]yenow I have to get up, go to my other 'puter and log in.
10:44.23villr[]yeI was all comfy too
10:44.40villr[]yeannma: after I finish chapter one I will try some KRazy fixes
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10:45.07villr[]yedocumentation fixes seem easy enough :-)
10:47.12annma;) hehe
10:47.20annmayou might be surprized!!!
10:47.42annmano, I am kidding, they are mostly easy and useful
10:47.52Jucatosomehow, "documentation" and "easy" in the same sentence doesn't sound right :)
10:47.58tuxickwhy not?
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10:48.26annmatuxick: if writing doc was easy we would have good docs
10:48.29villr[]yewell i've written whole docs before so fixing up some broken ones (while boring) won't be a problem.
10:48.38annmacool, for KDE?
10:48.41Jucatofortunately, we have people like annma :D
10:48.46villr[]yeyeah
10:48.48annmalol, no
10:48.53annmavillr[]ye: cool!
10:48.54tuxickannma: good docs exist
10:49.06annmatuxick: name one?
10:49.10villr[]yelol
10:49.10tuxickbut i agree writing good docs isn't easy
10:49.20Jucatoannma: name one... the KDE theming guide? :D
10:49.22tuxickannma: gentoo has pretty good documentation
10:49.23Jucatoj/k :D
10:49.25villr[]yegentoo docs a good
10:49.27tuxickthe subversion handbool
10:49.29villr[]ye*are
10:49.31annmatuxick: I am referring of kde
10:49.34Jucato:)
10:49.44tuxickkde docs sounds like developer docs?
10:49.47villr[]yequanta manual
10:49.52Jucatotuxick: no
10:49.52villr[]yekonversation manual
10:49.53annmagentoo needs good docs anyway, considering the advanture
10:50.01tuxickoh well, bbl
10:50.54cbri had a torrent that was not completely downloaded but the space was allocated @ ktorrent.. but now it tells me that the data is faulty :S
10:51.14annmahow come, faulty?
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10:52.57_roothi
10:53.01JucatoSho_: would you happen to know if the extragear stuff for KDE 3 are now in branches rather than trunk?
10:53.09cbrit used to be /media/dir but now he looked in /media/dir/dir
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10:53.43Sho_Jucato: No, all this talk we had about moving a few days ago and me updating the Konvi SVN ebuild for you was just for show
10:54.30JucatoSho_: oh. I didn't actually know that you meant moving it to branches... sorry :/
10:54.47villr[]yecbr: sounds like you opened the torrent file twice
10:55.20Sho_Jucato: Just look at the #konversation topic or the updated SVN instructions
10:56.12villr[]yewth are you apologizing for him being an ass?
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10:56.27villr[]yemethinks it should be the other way around...
10:56.42Jucatovillr[]ye: um... not really
10:57.02JucatoSho_ is my friend so...
10:57.08villr[]yeyour choice. do as thou wilt.
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10:57.41villr[]yeah. well to the unsuspecting bystander that seemed a bit... terse is the word i'm looking for?
10:58.18annmacanllaith: first admin stuff! congrats!
10:59.23Sho_villr[]ye: I'm sorry if I seemed arrogant, I was mostly giving Jucato a bit of a hard time because he asked something he already knew because we had discussed it previously ;)
10:59.43canllaithannma: *blush* where did you see that ?
10:59.51annmain #kde-commits
10:59.53Jucato(but I honestly didn't know that it was a move from trunk to branches...)
10:59.56canllaithannma: :)
10:59.57annma;)
11:00.07villr[]yeSho_: don't mind me. things get lost over text.
11:01.29Sho_To recap: All the KDE3 extragear apps have moved from trunk/extragear to branches/extragear/kde3; scripty continues to update the translation files in trunk/l10n, however, because there's already a trunk/l10n-kde4 so they don't conflict and it wasn't necessary to have the translators all switch to a new location
11:01.47Sho_The apps will move back to trunk/extragear as they're ported to 4
11:02.11tanamowhere can i find librdf? i will try to compile kde4 eh...
11:02.27annmatanamo: ask your distro channel
11:02.32annmatanamo: ah np
11:02.33Sho_tanamo: librdf.org
11:02.36annmaRedland
11:03.15tanamoah redland
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11:03.21annmatanamo: follow techbase doc
11:03.29annmait's mentioned ont he page
11:03.31sercik_in which dir kde saves color schemes?
11:03.32tanamobec the link in the techbase has so many packages
11:03.37tanamoi mean tar.gz
11:03.45annmawhat is your distro?
11:03.48tanamoraptor, rasqal
11:03.56annmaraptor?
11:03.58tanamoslackware
11:04.12Chanioh god, I found another webcomic
11:04.16annmaah so install the more possible libs from your distro
11:04.22Chaniso much for getting stuff done...
11:04.38tanamohttp://download.librdf.org/source/  --- this link
11:04.42Sho_sercik_: ~/.kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes
11:05.05tanamoshould i get all those tar.gz files?
11:05.19sercik_thank you!
11:06.11sercik_no
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11:06.17sercik_that directory doesn't exist
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11:06.33canllaithsercik_: make it.
11:06.53sercik_but i want to import a color schema from another linux distro i have installed
11:07.15canllaithThat's probably going to be in the global directory then
11:07.26sercik_where?
11:07.29canllaithWhich should be `kdeconfig --prefix`/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes
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11:07.33canllaith(note the backticks)
11:07.51sercik_ah ok
11:07.55sercik_i have found
11:08.01sercik_they are under /usr/share
11:08.07canllaithannma: Although I have a confession to make. That was not actually my first commit.
11:08.07sercik_.............
11:08.16Jucatosercik_: you have to be more specific with your questions, you know :)
11:08.26canllaith... my first one was changing my own SVN commit key because I forgot the passphrase for the 50th time
11:08.27annmacanllaith: ;)
11:08.41Sho_canllaith: "kde-config" btw
11:08.50villr[]yescreen within screen. this shall be interesting
11:08.51canllaithI know, it was a typo.
11:08.53Sho_so: cd $(kde-config --prefix)/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes
11:08.58canllaithvillr[]ye: argh don't do it!!
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11:09.10villr[]yecanllaith: will bad things happen? }-)
11:09.16canllaithvillr[]ye: It's just awkward
11:09.18annmatanamo: you take redland tar
11:09.20villr[]yesincei it's already done.
11:09.26Sho_sercik_: You can import color schemes via the Import button in KControl
11:09.27annmatanamo: only that one
11:09.29villr[]yeoh. well i can take awkward.
11:09.33canllaithThink about it - everything you want to send to the inner screen needs to be done so in a way it doesn't get to the outer one...
11:09.35Jucatois it like running irssi in konversation's konsole tab?
11:09.36Sho_sercik_: It will be imported into your home dir, under the path I initially gave you
11:09.38villr[]yei was born that way :-)
11:09.40canllaithSo you need to ^aa instead of ^a etc
11:09.48tanamoannma: ah thanks,
11:10.09tanamoannma: how about the others? raptor... etc...
11:10.20annmathat's not Redland
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11:10.30annmayou need librdf = Redland
11:10.32villr[]yecanllaith: well thanks for the tip. now i know how to make it work :-D
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11:10.48tanamoannma: ah ok thanks,
11:10.56villr[]yecanllaith: it does take some getting used to, but hey. it works!
11:11.00sercik_i have simply copied it
11:11.06sercik_ok thanks for the help
11:12.29sercik_and ehre are window decorations?
11:13.59canllaith=)
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11:19.48villr[]yecanllaith: i see there's also some lag time involved with screen executing these commands when over ssh.
11:19.50villr[]yebonus.
11:19.59canllaithWhy are you doing screen in screen? :)
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11:20.38villr[]yewell i'm on my laptop c++ing and ssh-ing into my build machine. screen 1.
11:21.09villr[]yethen I'm on my building machine building with one account kdetest, and svn updateing with my other. screen 2
11:21.44villr[]yetrés convoluted, non ?
11:22.27qupadacould be worse.  when you've ssh'ed through a chain of say 4 or 5 servers to get to the target machine, then you have convolution
11:23.01canllaithworkstation -> DMZ -> ssh gateway -> kerberos master -> customer server
11:23.09canllaithand occasionally it's all that and another hop
11:23.21qupadaDMZ's are great at causing it, aren't they?
11:23.34villr[]yehey, whatever gets the job done ;-)
11:23.34canllaithYep.
11:23.57canllaithand there is no screen on any of the boxes =)
11:24.00villr[]yeor in my case whatever gets the job done with minimal effort
11:24.06canllaithSo if my connection times out or I need another window to do something in
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11:24.17canllaithI need to go through allll those hops again.
11:24.20villr[]yesuckage
11:24.48qupadain any case you only want screen one one machine, if you try stacking them you lose all control over which instance of screen you're sending the command to
11:25.39qupadaanother fun thing is trying to reattach one screen session inside another.  poor app gets terribly confused
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11:27.37canllaithYeah, I'd want it on the ssh gateway
11:28.39villr[]ye"SSH: Your portal to the world"
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11:30.10sercik_how can i import kde window decoration from another linux on my harddisk??
11:30.14villr[]yeI feel sick...
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11:30.26canllaithsercik_: Not easily
11:30.43canllaithThose are not just plain text files but compiled code
11:30.44villr[]yesercik_: I would strongly advise against it
11:30.48canllaithyou may find it easier to grab it from kde-look.org
11:31.07villr[]yeit's possible but can cause all sorts of trouble.
11:31.16villr[]yejust do what canllaith suggests
11:32.18canllaithWow, gtk-qt engine has gotten pretty good since the last time I tried it
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11:32.41Sho_Unfortunately it has a hard time with Domino's scrollbars
11:32.49qupadayeah, i wouldn't go without it.  i use gimp a lot, and it looks UGLY without
11:33.10Sho_villr[]ye: hm?
11:33.21sercik_ok i'll find that themes on .deb and i'll install
11:33.24canllaithI normally use qt-curve, which is not the prettiest style ever (I find it a little chunky) but matches well
11:33.31canllaithUnfortunately I can't use gtk-qt at work
11:33.37canllaithToo many java applications that pretend to be GTK
11:33.43Sho_Qt-Curve also has a GTK version though
11:33.46villr[]yeSho_: j/k. I said that because domino is the only style it doesn't work with.
11:33.48villr[]yeso far
11:34.06canllaithSho_: Yes, that was sort of my point :)
11:34.11qupadayeah, that's what turned me off qtcurve.  i use 7pt fonts for most things and qtcurve makes buttons and things about 3 times the height of the text on them
11:34.17canllaithYep
11:34.23canllaithand I like tiny interfaces
11:34.24Sho_villr[]ye: Domino's scrollbars are fairly unusual I guess in the way the grippie and the buttons interact
11:35.02villr[]yeI have an idea!
11:35.09villr[]yelike seriously though.
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11:35.30canllaithdomino is a super pretty style, I wish I could ditch firefox and use it =)
11:35.31villr[]yefor KDE4 we should do gorilla marketting and shite
11:35.50qupadathat's guerilla, i think you'll find
11:35.51villr[]yehave user contributed videos showing of what KDE can do.
11:36.08villr[]yequpada: true. but harder to spell in a pinch :-D
11:36.09qupadagorrilla marketing works too... people eating leaves and beating their chests with their fists
11:36.27villr[]yebasically rip off the get firefox campaign to suit our own needs
11:36.38villr[]yeit would be awesome!
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11:37.20Sho_After Domino 0.3 I helped the author fix various bugs that annoyed me, and then switched ... no way back now :)
11:37.29Sho_villr[]ye: We did sort of try with the SpreadKDE site
11:37.48villr[]yej/k :-D
11:37.51canllaithIt's a truly beautiful style
11:37.56coobrahmma
11:38.08villr[]yeargh. my previous message got eaten.
11:38.09canllaithAlthough I kinda like polyester - not so much the blue but the green and orange colour scheme
11:38.16coobrato load new thems what do i need then
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11:38.21Sho_At the heart of Mozilla's grassroots campaign for Firefox was the spreadfirefox.com community hub, which really worked remarkably well
11:38.38villr[]yei said "never heard of it" to Sho_  before saying j/k
11:38.40villr[]yecanllaith: yah. me too
11:38.54villr[]yecanllaith: that's been the style on my K desktop for ages now
11:39.26Sho_Polyester is a bit too shiny for me from what I know, I prefer matte
11:39.48qupadawell i have to admit, domino is one of the better styles i've seen (just looked at it for the first time now).  i personally don't do the whole integrated window and titlebar thing, but as far as being not overdone/too shiny/just plain ugly it's pretty good
11:39.51Sho_http://www.eikehein.com/domino4.png are my settings
11:40.03villr[]yeSho_: I think we (me, myself and ANYONE else who wants to) should seriously start.
11:40.16villr[]yevillr[]ye: I should talk to the KDe-promo folks.
11:40.26villr[]yeI'll do it!
11:40.32villr[]yewho's coming with me...?
11:40.43coobrahmma
11:41.00canllaithYou could always talk to me about it
11:41.02canllaithphysos as well
11:41.04villr[]yespreadkde.org is dead.
11:41.07villr[]yesuckage
11:41.11canllaithhah yes.
11:41.29villr[]yecanllaith: is there a current kde-promo crew?
11:41.34Sho_The domain expired and wasn't renewed, I think ..
11:41.37canllaithSure is
11:41.40Sho_villr[]ye: Sure, they're quite active too
11:41.41canllaithSho_: hah, look at the whois...
11:42.03physosvillr[]ye: there is work underway to get things back on rail with spreadkde, people are overworked and the circumstances were against a smooth handling of things.
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11:42.32canllaithThere is a mailing list (kde-promo@kde.org) and an IRC channel (#kde-promo)
11:42.47canllaithIf you actually came up with some content, I'm someone who is able to get it onto a KDE website for you.
11:42.57coobrais there gimp in kde ?
11:43.00qupadahmm, 4:42am in the timezone of the domain contact.  will resist calling him from skype ;)
11:43.06villr[]yecanllaith: content?
11:43.12apokryphoscoobra: you can use gimp in kde if you like
11:43.18Mekcoobra: there is krita in kde! :P
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11:43.25apokryphoscoobra: though kde/koffice has krita, which is the kde image manipulator
11:43.27canllaithAs in yknow, some articles or videos or whatever
11:43.27coobraohh
11:43.29Sho_coobra: There's Krita in KOffice, that's a nice raster graphics app
11:43.43coobraohh thanks all
11:43.44coobra:D
11:44.36physosSho_: well, spreadkde.org was never used the same way as spreadfirefox. And the fact we do not have the same distribution channel available, makes copying the spreadfirefoy approach (download firefox, it is cool) not easy to adopt.
11:45.01Sho_physos: yeah
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11:45.27villr[]yephysos: but we can market the shit out of it.
11:45.31Sho_A standalone app is far easier to sell as a lifestyle thing than a platform
11:45.37Sho_The barrier of entry is just lower
11:45.49villr[]yeI mean seriously, potty mouth aside, we have a bunch of people in here each day asking about kde.
11:45.55canllaithWe already market the heck about it
11:46.06canllaithI've spent most of the last 3 years doing just that
11:46.14canllaithI'm not saying we can't do with more
11:46.21canllaithbut it's not like it's a dead area there isn't a lot of work already being put into
11:46.33villr[]yewhy not give the people what they want? We have dot articles which can be posted to other sites. We have video one pko which hardly anyone except developers see.
11:47.01villr[]yethere's the commit digest. it just seems like enough people aren't getting what's already out there.
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11:47.13kostahi
11:47.16canllaithSo write something.
11:47.29kostahow do I make firefox open by default when KDE apps call for a browser?
11:47.30villr[]yecanllaith: well i didn't mean to imply that. i don't think that's the case.
11:47.32canllaithVideo something. Create some content, if it's any good I can promise you I can get it seen.
11:58.28villr[]yecanllaith: i just think there needs to be more... WOW. LOOK AT ME. I' M IN CAPS.
11:58.29canllaithkosta: KDE Control Centre, go into KDE Components -> Default Applications
11:58.29canllaithyou can put firefox in as the webbrowser
11:58.29villr[]yea least every now and then. some pomp and circumstance.
11:58.29canllaithvillr[]ye: So write it !
11:58.29canllaithOr rather, write some more of it
11:58.29apokryphosvillr[]ye: part of the issue is of course the long wait for kde4
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11:58.30apokryphosbut of course it's not like there's been a lack of hype for it
11:58.31villr[]yecanllaith: But I don't want to do it. I want US to do it. I mean get the rest of the community involved.
11:58.31apokryphosthe hype you're talking about should of course reach maximum level at kde4 release
11:58.32kostacanllaith: thanks
11:58.32canllaithvillr[]ye: No, it starts with -you-
11:58.32physosapokryphos: hype? I only see solid facts :)
11:58.33canllaithWho is this magical 'us' that's going to do it ? :)
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11:58.36canllaithIt's you, and me, and lots of other people writing and putting together content.
11:58.36kostajust checking: http://google.com
11:58.38apokryphosphysos: hype doesn't have to be void of facts
11:58.38canllaithThat's how these things happen. 'Wow we should build a community' isn't enough. You need to build a community.
11:58.39apokryphosthinking too much of ubuntu there 8)
11:58.39villr[]yecanllaith: but I think I should e-mail the list
11:58.40villr[]yethis is going to be long, and drawn out and boring otherwise.
11:58.40villr[]yewell, maybe not boring. i'm anything b ut :-D
11:58.40canllaithapokryphos: hype does not have good connotations to Germans
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11:58.41stinger_auyo
11:58.41canllaithvillr[]ye: The list already exists because that idea already occured to them
11:58.43canllaithThat's why they're there.
11:58.43stinger_auwhy is that under kdektop it only shows 50 hz fore refresh rate for me ?
11:58.44apokryphoscanllaith: hype is incredibly powerful. It's the reason ubuntu is that big
11:58.44villr[]yeI think you see what I mean when I send the e-mail. Forgive me, it will be long.
11:58.46apokryphosand part of the reason gnome has grown as it has
11:58.48canllaithapokryphos: It's just the choice of word he doesn't like.
11:58.49canllaithI've run up against this quite a few times :)
11:58.50qupadastinger_au: XRandR is pretty weird
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11:58.53Jefiscanllaith: want to see my video? :)
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11:58.56qupadastinger_au: i get a choice of 51Hz or 52Hz in kde, no matter which i choose my monitor tells me it's refreshing at 75
11:59.02stinger_auqupada, same but is it really running at 75 hz ?
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11:59.03qupadastinger_au: seems to be
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11:59.04qupadastinger_au: i can tell the difference between 60 and 75 with the monitor i have, and it definately is doing the latter
12:00.11canllaithThe lack of your eyes bleeding being the bit that gives it away qupada ? :P
12:00.12stinger_auk seems werid that kdekstop does not give you any other options
12:00.21qupadacanllaith: actually i have an lcd, but dragging windows and stuff across the screen looks kinda jerky at 60
12:00.23qupadastinger_au: most modern monitors won't even sync at 50Hz, i think it's pretty safe to say that it's not attempting it
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12:00.32canllaith:)
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12:00.38stinger_auqupada, it just when i move a console around with glz on the sides flicker a bit so i am thinking its a refresh rate thing
12:00.39qupadaand moving a few of the others further away from the electrical wiring
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12:04.53villr[]yecanllaith: hey my wireless dropped it's signal so i was out troubleshooting that (miserably)
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12:05.00villr[]yeI read what you apokryphos, and physos said and I totally agree
12:05.10villr[]yeAnd will write... something.
12:05.45physosapokryphos: as canllaith, perheaps this is a german thing, but hypes generate some light scepcicism around here.
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12:05.48villr[]yeas soon as i get my connection to the desktop machine back :-D
12:06.10canllaithphysos: I'm fairly certain it is - the negative aspect of the word seems to resonate most strongly in German speakers
12:06.11villr[]yephysos: how about enthusiasm in the boosiasm ? ;-)
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12:06.20apokryphosphysos: it can be negative when it's baseless, but it can also be very positive
12:06.46apokryphossome projects have really great engineers and code but really lack marketting, so there's little or no hype surrounded around the project
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12:08.24villr[]yedoes anyone know a good pci wireless card for linux btw?
12:08.40villr[]yecuz mine _sux_
12:08.52apokryphosphysos: hype is just a user-type of marketting really, and like I said, it shouldn't be underestimated (I mean, it's becoming obvious that you won't need computers to run ubuntu on anymore, it'll run on pure hype 8))
12:09.09villr[]yelol
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12:09.26apokryphosvillr[]ye: safecom wireless cards have pretty good support for Linux generally, with gpl drivers
12:09.38apokryphosthough I've only got a safecom usb wireless stick
12:09.45apokryphos(still, it works very well)
12:10.17villr[]yeapokryphos: looks like they are UK only
12:10.30villr[]yeI want one today.. can't wait for shipping.
12:10.42qupadaapokryphos: in response to your comment about running on hype, from the 5th book in the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy trilogy, "Mostly harmless":
12:10.45qupadaOne of the problems has to do with the speed of light and the difficulties involved in trying to exceed it. You can't. Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. The Hingefreel people of Arkintoofle Minor did try to build spaceships that were powered by bad news but they didn't work particularly well and were so extremely unwelcome whenever they arrived anywhere
12:11.09qupadai don't really know why, but i felt that was appropriate
12:11.16apokryphosheh :)
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12:16.06basanta_any showdesktop program for kde ?
12:16.34apokryphosshowdesktop program?
12:17.02apokryphosscreenshot program?
12:17.31basanta_apachelogger, showdesktop which would miniminze all active application and shows the desktop
12:17.49basanta_apokryphos,  showdesktop which would miniminze all active application and shows the desktop
12:17.59basanta_apachelogger, sorry
12:18.17apokryphosbasanta_: it comes with a show desktop button by default...
12:18.17Fusselwurm|w0rkme thinks there's a shortcut in kde to minimize all windows
12:19.02Jucatobasanta_, Fusselwurm|w0rk: keyboard shortcut = Ctrl+Alt+D by default
12:19.25Jucatobasanta_: you can put an icon on your panel. right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> search for Show Desktop and add it to the panel
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12:22.33basanta_Jucato, apokryphos thanks
12:23.52Jucatoyou're welcome
12:25.23canllaithapachelogger ? Why is he in this channel ?
12:25.58canllaithphysos: isn't that the one who had a problem with politeness at aKademy?
12:26.02apokryphoshe's a kde/amarok developer, right?
12:26.12canllaithYeah, one who needs to wash his mouth out with soap
12:27.11physoscanllaith: Jep.
12:27.34basantawhat is gconf editor equivalent in kde
12:27.45canllaith:) du fehlst mir. Gute nacht!
12:28.10Jucatobasanta: nothing. everything is in the app's settings dialog or in text files.
12:28.36Jucatokde needs no registry :)
12:30.26basantaJucato, I added some applets in my panel and I want them as default for all the new users created, how do I accomplish that
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12:30.52psychollekcopy config files to the skel directory
12:31.08basantapsychollek, ok thanks
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12:31.35psycholleki assume you know what skel is :P
12:32.08basantapsychollek, yes I do but is there no other way than this one
12:32.39psychollekthis is an proper unix way and i didn't ever tried to find another
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12:33.00basantapsychollek, its hard to find out which specific file in .kde is reponsible
12:33.21psychollekkicker config probably
12:34.01psychollekthe easiest method is to create new user and use his config
12:34.04psycholleki mean
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12:34.08basantapsychollek, under apps right ?
12:34.37psychollekyou create user give him what you want any new user should have, copy his ~/ and vualla
12:35.11psychollekbasanta: realy dont know, i can find it out, wait few minutes
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12:35.52psychollek~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/applets/
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12:36.15psychollekhmmm
12:36.15psycholleknope
12:36.16psycholleknot this one ;]
12:36.18psychollekhmm
12:36.23psychollekdo i have any aplets ? :P
12:36.40psycholleki do
12:36.42basantapsychollek, I wanted to add showdesktop applet
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12:36.48psychollekso this is probably wrong
12:37.32Andrew``hey villr[]ye: are you still here?
12:37.41villr[]yeyup
12:37.53Andrew``cool I am back from tennis
12:37.53psychollekhmmm, i dont know where this config is
12:37.57Andrew``can you still help me?
12:38.18basantapsychollek, thanks for your suggestion I will do the rest
12:38.30psychollekmight be the kickerrc filr
12:38.33psychollekfile
12:38.45psychollekin ~/.kde/share/config
12:39.32basantapsychollek, ok
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12:44.56Andrew``villr[]ye: can you still help me with K3B and MP3's?
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12:45.44villr[]yeAndrew``: nope busy. but people are actually awake now. so just ask.
12:45.53villr[]yesomeone will answer :-)
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12:46.43Andrew``sorry  :)
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13:04.20eNTihi. could someone telle me how to write and send imap emails from kmail?
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13:15.06Sho_eNTi: Go into the "Accounts" section of the preferences dialog,
13:15.21Sho_eNTi: and on the "Receiving" tab, create a new IMAP account
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13:16.55eNTiSho_: yeah i got that, thx, but how do i SEND something through that account?
13:17.46tanamoJucato: pre
13:17.52Jucatotanamo: yes?
13:18.38Narishmamy akregator just went crazy
13:18.59tanamoJucato: how can i check if qt4 is installed correctly?
13:19.41Jucatofor KDE 4? /path/to/qt4/qmake -v
13:20.00tanamoJucato: i tried running assistant but there's an error "couldn't find x server" something like that...
13:20.30Sho_eNTi: Make a new account on the "Sending" tab. Emails are sent through SMTP, not IMAP. What ties the two together is the Identity (from the Identities) page that is associated with a receiving and a sending account; sending through the SMTP server will also place a copy in the folder for Sent Items on the IMAP server.
13:20.48Sho_eNTi: Both POP and IMAP are for receiving, SMTP is for sending
13:21.11eNTiah. thx Sho_. i somehow thought that IMAP would go in both directions
13:21.18eNTisilly me
13:21.45tanamoJucato: "cant connect to x server" pla, how can i fix that?
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13:23.56Narishmahttp://enderu666.free.fr/scrot1.png
13:23.59Narishmahttp://enderu666.free.fr/scrot2.png
13:24.02Narishmalook at the dates
13:24.23MrGrim-if arts is running and working and the test sound button on the system sound config page works, why would sounds for notifications fail?
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13:25.50MrGrim-oh you can set custom players
13:25.50nikolavpsomeone know a nice kde torrent client
13:25.56MrGrim-and mine was on no audio output
13:25.57MrGrim-silly me :D
13:25.59nikolavpexcluding ktorrent :D
13:26.02MrGrim-nikolavp: doh
13:26.04nikolavp:)
13:26.06MrGrim-had the kt typed
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13:27.10MrGrimcrud chose use the kde sound system and it still doesn't work :(
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13:31.43Sho_nikolavp: some people seem to like qtorrent
13:32.00nikolavpSho_, it is pyqt right ?:)
13:32.09nikolavpSho_, no i like ktorrent but it seems it crashes sometimes
13:32.25nikolavpand i cant even get a nice backtrace with debug symbols only from it :)
13:32.36nikolavpand i am not sure what it depends more from :)
13:32.48Sho_nikolavp: QTorrent uses PyQt, yes
13:32.58Sho_nikolavp: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports
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13:33.29Sho_nikolavp: Notably the most recent KTorrent stable release, 2.1.4, fixes a crash bug that was caused by a pseudo-client sending malicious packets in torrents
13:33.34Sho_And there's also a 2.2beta1 now
13:33.37MrGrimI'm pretty sure show has a list of those w/ a little search box on a sticky always on top window
13:33.40MrGrimsho_*
13:34.01Sho_MrGrim: I don't, but that's actually a pretty good idea ;)
13:34.10MrGrimSho_: I'm gonna start calling you speedy links
13:34.14Sho_hehe
13:34.19nikolavpSho_, do i need something for that crash window ?
13:34.38nikolavpi am using gentoo
13:34.41Sho_nikolavp: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/backtraces.xml
13:34.47nikolavpi have read that ;P
13:34.56nikolavpi ask about the crashing window
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13:35.06nikolavpbecause it seems it doesnt appear at all when ktorrent crashes :D
13:35.08MrGrimSho_: How do I escape from a locked closet with duct tape, a cigarette butt, and a dead rat
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13:35.44Sho_MrGrim: damn got no links to MacGyver episode guides
13:35.48Sho_:)
13:35.59MrGrimSho_: I think he's wanting drkonqi
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13:36.24MrGrimSho_: ok, easy one then, arts is running, arts works, test sound button in sound system config works, system notifications using the kde sound system... only silence
13:36.26Sho_nikolavp: yeah, as MrGrim says, you need to have the drkonqi package emerged for the crash handler to appear
13:36.42nikolavpSho_, thanks :)
13:36.46nikolavpi knew that i need something :d
13:36.48Sho_MrGrim: Most likely you configured a Custom Player for KNotify which isn't there
13:36.53MrGrimno
13:36.57MrGrimit's configured for kde sound syste
13:36.58MrGrimm
13:37.01MrGrimat 100% volume
13:37.11MrGrimit works if I use a custom player :/
13:37.14Sho_KControl -> Sound & Multimedia -> System Notifications -> Player Settings in the lower-right
13:37.18MrGrimbut I don't want to use a custom player
13:37.22MrGrimyup
13:37.28Sho_hmm
13:37.54MrGrimI don't know why I suddenly want sounds
13:37.56MrGrimmaybe I'm lonely
13:38.03MrGrimbut I want them, and I want them w/o a custom player :D
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13:38.18MrGrimthis hasn't worked for me since 3.4
13:38.26nikolavpMrGrim, the custom player is just better :)
13:38.31Sho_well using a custom player that uses ALSA directly seems nicer than running a special sound server that talks to ALSA ;)
13:38.37MrGrimwhen I found the player settings was set to "no audio" I thought I had the answer, but alas I  did not
13:39.13MrGrimSho_: except the special server is always running with a 6ms buffer
13:39.15Sho_Notably the Gentoo folks sometimes consider adding a "RESOLVED FUCKARTS" state to their bugtracking system
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13:39.23MrGrimI hate hitting minimize, then the sound plays... after it is minimized
13:39.45MrGrimthat seems hard to avoid w/ a custom player
13:40.03nikolavpMrGrim, cant u customize that ?:)
13:40.46MrGrimI can customize anything.. I can code... point is there is always the overhead of loading, creating, and executing the process
13:40.59MrGrimor creating ,loading, executing
13:41.05MrGrimwhatever
13:41.33MrGrimso, animation is immediate while the notification system has to start a new program every time I wanna play a sound
13:41.59MrGrimby time the program starts, loads the audio file, initializes alsa, decodes the first couple of milliseconds, and starts piping
13:42.04MrGrimthe windows already minimized
13:42.25MrGrimdon't get me wrong I'm all for the arts hating
13:42.29MrGrimbut it does have SOME advantages
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13:44.47MrGrimYES got it working
13:44.50MrGrimwoohoo
13:45.03MrGrimlooks like you must restart arts
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13:45.30MrGrimwhich I accomplished by quickly unchecking then checking "enable the sound system" and hitting apply :D
13:45.52MrGrimwoohoo I have sound
13:46.01nikolavpu wont use that for long
13:46.02nikolavpi am sure :D
13:47.49MrGrimnikolavp: I'm good enough to keep arts working well :)
13:48.05nikolavpthey dont work nice as default :D
13:48.13nikolavpthat's the whole point :D
13:48.15MrGrimnow knotify otoh
13:48.17MrGrimis pissing me off
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13:49.28Sho_MrGrim: try the new Oxygen sounds perhaps
13:49.31MrGrimok act of desperation time
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13:52.11MrGrimthat took care of it
13:54.55MrGrimturns out the only real way to get knotify sounds going in everything after moving from no audio to kde sound system is restart kde
13:54.55MrGrimgod bless session saving
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13:58.40MrGrimwhere did Sho_ go
13:59.37Sho_MrGrim: hmm? I'm here
13:59.48MrGrimerm,, odd
13:59.52MrGrimnick complete was ignoring you
13:59.56MrGrimuntil I switched windows and came back
14:02.49MrGrimbtw does anyone know if it's possible to grab a version of kopete w/ aim file xfer from last years google soc that will compile w/ kde 3.5/qt3?
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14:10.27pipI inserted a USB disk ,it won't be mounted automatically,how to set it to be auto-mounted ?
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14:16.35nikolavppip, distro ?
14:16.42pipFedora
14:17.10Rekisser__Hello. Can i force in KDE 2-rows icons in system tray?
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14:17.40pipnikolavp, and after I mounted the disk within which all file belongs to root other than users ,so I can't access them
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14:19.39nikolavpRekisser__, yes u can
14:19.42nikolavpwhen u make the panel bigger
14:20.05nikolavppip, that's how it works here too :)
14:21.37Rekisser__Bad way :) 2nd question - in konqueror, when i press "go - history", appears left-sided menu with tabs. Can i see that menu by default?
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14:36.26pipnikolavp, you mean that's normal ? Then another question ,do you use SCIM or any other input method tool ?
14:36.42nikolavpSCIM ?:)
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14:38.28pipnikolavp, yep
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14:38.55pipnikolavp, should be the most famous one ,I worked weird on KDE
14:39.12pipby default ,it was intalled with my distr
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14:39.36pipBut worked very slow and buggy,I need it to input Chinese
14:43.58KRFis it possible to enter unicode chars in windows-like manner? e.g.: i type alt+1018 and there's the · sign
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14:47.08eNTiwhere can i find konqueror extensions? i recently switched distros (gentoo -> archlinux) and now i miss a handy feature: selecting files and adding them to an archive.
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14:47.17eNTialso google search dosn't work any more
14:47.27eNTikde 3.5.7
14:47.34Sho_eNTi: That's provided by the application "Ark"
14:47.46Sho_The search field is in the "konq-plugins" package
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14:50.07eNTiSho_: thx.
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15:01.39oneforallhttp://slackware.computer-rave.com/test/cimg0486.jpg whats this . shove the dvd in and get that . konq file manager opens but that and nothing in konq
15:01.53oneforallit trying to send a message to frenode there
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15:03.35eNTioneforall: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HAL maybe?
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15:04.36Sho_interesting screenshot .. :)
15:05.04oneforallwhy is it trying to send messages to freenode .looks like m$ crap tracking you
15:05.19oneforallyeah like a m$ error message ejh loil
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15:05.21Sho_oneforall: It's not sending messages to freenode
15:05.35oneforallwell it can't the pc isn't on the net
15:05.50Sho_oneforall: It's sending a message to org.freedesktop, which is a namespace on the D-BUS communication bus (similar to DCOP)
15:05.58Sho_oneforall: D-Bus is how KDE's Media Manager and HAL communicate
15:06.21Sho_oneforall: i.e. it's not about sending anything over the network
15:06.34oneforallsays destination  org.freendescktop.hall not freenode sorrey
15:07.33jack-i guess oneforall would puke if saw all the macosx preference file names :P
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15:07.34jack-com.apple.thingumabobshitznitz
15:07.35jack-*he
15:07.47oneforallso for it to work it needs to be on the net eh
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15:08.04jack-read Sho_'s answer again
15:08.10Sho_oneforall: Again, it is not trying to send a message over the network
15:08.18Sho_jack-: Or the UTI system for that matter, which uses reverse DNS syntac too :)
15:08.23jack-yeah
15:08.25Sho_*syntax
15:08.54jack-the software world is so full of things that can scare clueless users
15:08.57jack-;)
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15:09.21Sho_oneforall: The sender and recipient there are components of your system. KDE's Media Manager is the sender and the HAL daemon the recipient. The communication happens over D-Bus. The address given is a D-Bus address.
15:09.49oneforallwas to lazy to write that so i took the picture :D
15:10.20Sho_oneforall: you can use ksnapshot to take screenshots without using a photo camera
15:10.44olle_hello
15:10.46olle_you know those little icosn that jumps near by the mouse cursor when one starts an application?
15:11.00Sho_olle_: Yeah, KDE Launch Feedback
15:11.00olle_is it possible to disable them? ;)
15:11.09Sho_olle_: Yup ... KControl -> Appearance -> Launch Feedback
15:11.22olle_was it that easy?
15:11.27Sho_olle_: yup
15:11.36olle_ive been looking noths for that option ^^
15:11.44olle_thanks anyway
15:11.50Sho_Just set it from "Bouncing Cursor" to "No Busy Cursor", or maybe some other variant you like better
15:12.40olle_wait a minute. i dont have any "Launch feedback" tab over here
15:13.03olle_maybe the kubuntu team has disabled it. any workaraound?
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15:13.20Sho_olle_: Yes, start the actual "kcontrol" from Run Command, not their weird System Settings app
15:13.35oneforallSho_ yeah and one probel with that is how do i get it to the pc that on the net . I said that pc isn't on the net at all :D
15:13.36olle_ok ill do so
15:13.53oneforallquiocker with a digicam
15:13.55oneforall:D
15:13.58Sho_oneforall: ah right
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15:36.28CPrgmSwR2Hi
15:37.04CPrgmSwR2I have gentoo as my distro so I know I can compile executables but KDeveloper says: <configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables>
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15:40.09DrCurlI started ripping my cd with kaudiocreator on kubuntu, I have a lot of french cd and the tags are not displayed correctly in amarok... how can I set kaudiocreator so it creates utf-8 mp3 tags?
15:41.59DrCurlaudiocd will not create a folder architecture like this: artist/albumtitle/songs
15:42.18Sho_no, but Amarok can ..
15:42.27Sho_via Manage Files
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15:42.36Sho_collection browser context menu
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15:43.02nikolavpSho_, doesnt k3b have a ripper :)
15:43.03Sho_So I use audiocd:/ and then let Amarok do the rest
15:43.08Sho_nikolavp: I think it does, yeah
15:43.29Sho_yes, there's a "Rip Audio CD" project
15:43.48Sho_Hm, I think K3b is a mightily fine app, especially the new 1.0.x
15:43.54nikolavplol k3b is just perfekt
15:43.56Sho_One of the great ones on Linux
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15:44.44nikolavpDrCurl, the author is just a genie :)
15:45.06DrCurlwell, yeah, k3b is great
15:45.36DrCurlbut I don't like the ripping process in k3b, much simpler in kaudiocreator
15:45.54nikolavpi have never used kaudiocreator at all :)
15:46.18DrCurlyou just open it, and click on the rip button, that's all
15:46.32nikolavp;)
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15:55.20CPrgmSwR2What is the best way to add images to your project in kdevelop
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16:03.14roadfishhow can I ensure that new apps are created above the other windows? when I use emacs (and sometimes xterm) to start certain apps (such as acroread or wxWidget programs), these new windows appear _below_ emacs/xterm. what is going on?
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16:10.05roadfishwhy does KDE sometimes put newly created windows _below_ the current windows?
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16:18.34trprhrm. i notice that too sometimes. especially w/ windows that are just hidden (sys tray)
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16:19.21Jejemannma :)
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16:20.52strawroadfish: tried changing kwin's focus-stealing prevention?
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16:25.51roadfishstraw: no, never heard of it ... Is focus-stealing prevention is something that I set in KDE Control Center?
16:25.52strawroadfish: yes. search with the keyword 'focus'
16:25.52strawthen the 'Advanced' tab, iirc
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16:28.12roadfishstraw: ok, got it working now ... thanks
16:28.43strawnot a problem :)
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16:35.44oneforallok when you stick in the cd/dvd and hit cancel then later you want to look at it . what then . opena nd close the drive media:/ in konq ?
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16:39.12Sho_oneforall: yeah, you go through media:/
16:39.26sickprincesshi, after updating akregator, my all rss feeds has gone, how can i get them back?
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16:40.35oneforallno way to still just add an icon to the destop to do it quick rahter than open konq for that
16:41.00tidoI have konq split view with my computer and a remote one.  When I drag a file over to overwrite it (to update it), konq suggests I rename it and won't let me overwrite it.  How can I change this?
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16:41.27raf256hello
16:41.36raf256can I have sounds be played in nautilus by just poiting at them (like a preview)
16:41.42Sho_tido: probably by fixing the permissions on the remote computer
16:41.53Kyral_Laptopraf256: Nautilus? Thats a GNOME thing
16:41.54Sho_raf256: Nautilus is not a KDE application
16:42.04tidoSho_: I know that's not the problem, I have write access
16:42.20Sho_tido: That doesn't necessarily mean you're allowed to overwrite existing files
16:42.27raf256oh damn I mistaken lol.  never mind
16:42.28Sho_tido: Many FTP servers make a difference between the two, for example
16:42.36tidoit's sftp/fish
16:42.56Sho_fish:// isn't sftp (but sftp:// is)
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16:43.10Kyral_LaptopAlso a lot of ACL overlays add that kind of permission split (Like AFS
16:43.29kjetilhohow can I find out what's registered M-SPC as a global shortcut?
16:44.01Kyral_Laptopkjetilho: KControl->Regions & Accessabilit->Input Actions (or Keyboard Shortcuts)
16:44.22kjetilhoI can't see it -- can I go the other way somehow?
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16:44.34Kyral_Laptopkjetilho: Can't see what? KControl?
16:44.40Sho_you could grep in ~/.kde/share/config
16:45.27Sho_(unless it's a global default, then it won't be in your local configs)
16:46.20kjetilhoSho_: ok, no hits for Space -- where are the global files?
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16:47.04oneforallerr where si the power manager that keeps blacking out my monitor
16:47.26Sho_kjetilho: $(kde-config --prefix)/share/config for KDE itself, and possibly a different prefix for other apps
16:47.36oneforallDSPM or what ever it is isn't even in xorg.conf
16:47.43Sho_i.e. on Gentoo the prefix for KDE itself is /usr/kde/<version> and for apps it's /usr
16:48.29kjetilhoSho_: thanks!  /usr/share/config.kcfg in Ubuntu, it seems
16:49.02kjetilhobut I can't find it there, either.  anyone else seeing this behaviour?  ie. a popup with Katapult when they press Meta Space?
16:49.50kjetilho(I use that keypress a lot in Emacs, so it's rather annoying.)
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16:51.30Sho_kjetilho: where config is a dir, not a file, though
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16:52.08Sho_and yeah, I think Meta-Space is the default shortcut for Katapult, which Kubuntu runs by default
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16:52.26Sho_unfortunately Kubuntu also hides the Katapult systray icon which offers access to the config
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16:52.35Sho_try to right-click the Katapult UI when it appears
16:52.42Sho_or take Katapult out of the autostart
16:53.00JucatoAlt+Space, Ctrl+C
16:53.07Jucatokjetilho: ^^^
16:53.52kjetilhoJucato: yay, thanks!!!
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16:56.31kjetilhookay, Katapult is actually quite cool
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16:57.17logixoulkjetilho: you might also like Kickoff and Kerry.
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16:59.00kjetilhohmm, no matches in apt-cache search for Kickoff
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17:00.15Jucatoit's a SUSE thing
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17:00.40oneforallerr sick of this blacking out .
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17:38.09SimAtWorkhttp://digg.com/linux_unix/Get_The_Facts_The_real_facts
17:40.10SimAtWorkit's a story about a school in kamloops that moved to oss
17:40.15SimAtWorkand the problems the encountered etc.
17:40.23SimAtWorkand the net savings and the benefits of it all.
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17:59.45pipHello
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18:01.31piphow to set removeable storage device to be mounted automatically ?
18:02.02pinotreeno way
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18:02.22pinotreekde does not automatically mount devices
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18:03.10pippinotree, OK,so I have to mount them by hand ,command line only ?
18:03.16pinotree??
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18:03.27pinotreedouble click on the device in media:/ ?
18:03.42logixoulyup the media kioslave automounts any FS you make it access
18:04.06pippinotree, I mean there are two methods if ,right click on the icon of the device to be mounted and choose mount ?
18:04.11pipBut that doesn't work
18:04.13pinotreethe media kioslave *auto*mounts nothing, logixoul
18:04.31pinotreepip: again, double click on the device?
18:04.56logixoulpinotree: "auto" as in "without having to manually click mount", i.e. "transparently"
18:05.20pinotreelogixoul: don't misuse that, "auto" means "with no manual knowledge"
18:05.28logixoulpinotree: k
18:05.36pipinsert ,and use --------> auto mount
18:06.14piptotally GUI operation
18:06.56logixoulpip: why do you care about mounting anyway? as pinotree said, you just need to open any item from media:/
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18:07.14pipI think the has a way to make that,because last time ,when I insert a USB disk,after I inserted it ,I could just start to use it ,without the step to mount it
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18:07.33pip*there
18:07.36thiagoKDE doesn't have it, but your distro may
18:07.49pipI see : )
18:08.04pinotreepip: i see no extra step
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18:08.30pinotreeinsert the usb disk, open konqueror, media:/ , double click on the device and you are done
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18:11.07pippinotree, when I insert a USB disk,there pops up a windows ask what to do with the USB disk,and I choose open it in a window,and then error occurs ,saying : Pemission denied :NOT in active session
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18:12.30pippinotree, is that normal or caused by computer virus  ?
18:12.41pinotreevirus??
18:13.02pippinotree, I just guess : )
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18:13.38pippinotree, I did what you told to do just now ,double click on the device in media:/ but nothing showed in new window
18:13.54pinotreeof course, because of the error above
18:13.58pipSo there must be something wrong with my KDe or linux I guess
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18:14.14pipby the way,should I run any service to make that ?
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18:15.02pfeinin kmail, is there a way to delete from local folders & bypass the trash?
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18:15.37thiagoShift+Del
18:16.39pippinotree, it seems there is only right way for me to mount it , by command line
18:16.52thiagoor fix your HAL configuration
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18:18.37logixoulpip: just so you know, Linux has no viruses. (not really sure why, but it's true nevertheless :)
18:18.47pfeinthiago: huh, thx
18:19.40logixoulpfein: this shortcut is configurable btw. you can well set it to Del and forget about the trash ;)
18:20.00piplogixoul, all right. Then it has nothing to do with virus,so why the error says : Pemission denied :Not in active session
18:20.28piplogixoul, I am afraid that if I shutdown any service that should be running all the time
18:20.38logixoulpip: have you tried googling the error?
18:20.49pipI am going to
18:20.54pfeinlogixoul: was just surprised I couldn't find it on the menus ;-) makes sense tho - like konq.
18:20.57pfeinthx
18:20.59pipbe back soon
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18:23.05mariuxsomeone needs to give the konq toolsbars some love for kde4 :\
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18:24.45logixoulany specific ideas?
18:25.19strawi wish they could be 'locked' kind of like kicker
18:25.27logixoulstraw: implemented already :)
18:25.42straweh? how? where?
18:25.46logixoultrunk
18:25.51logixoulsome months ago
18:25.53mariuxyea make them behave properly :P
18:26.37mariuxlocation bar moving all over
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18:26.39mariuxif i visit a long url it will move to a seperate line :(
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18:27.18logixoulmariux: if it didn't move there, you would see less of the long URL. pretty bad usability, I say...
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18:27.38mariuxi only have like three icons
18:27.49mariuxso the diff is ~0
18:28.05mariuxand there is no way to make it go back other than to delete browsing history
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18:28.24logixoul!hidden
18:28.29logixoul!hiddenconfig
18:28.37logixoul!hiddenconfiguration
18:28.39logixoulhmm
18:28.42mariuxbeen there tried that
18:28.48logixouloh?
18:28.56strawhm, must be in 3.5.7
18:29.08strawstill on 3.5.6 here
18:29.11logixoulstraw: what? the toolbar locking? nope, kde4 only.
18:29.20strawoh! duh
18:29.21mariuxNewLine=false ?
18:29.31logixoulyep
18:29.42strawi sometime still think on trunk as 3.x.x :P
18:29.46mariuxdoesn't help
18:30.02mariuxi would had liked the option to hard lock them
18:30.04logixoulmariux: dunno, my Kubuntu has a 1-line toolbar by default
18:30.08Sho_mariux: I use a single toolbar setup ... that "fixes" it
18:30.28mariuxme too, but that prevents me from having a filter bar
18:30.35mariuxbecause thats not allowed in the main toolbar
18:30.46Kyral_LaptopThey are gonna make me use Dreamweaver and Photoshop in a class next semester
18:30.50Sho_I use the location toolbar
18:30.58Kyral_Laptopand won't let me use Quanta/Vim or The GIMP instead
18:30.59mariuxwithout a location bar?
18:31.07Sho_Kyral_Laptop: Photoshop is a great app, though
18:31.08mariuxthat leaves me with alot of gray enpty area
18:31.24Sho_mariux: I mean, I have everything put into the location toolbar, rather than the main toolbar
18:31.28Kyral_LaptopSho_: 1) Not open source. 2) I don't have enough money. 3) No Windows
18:31.44mariuxahh
18:31.48mariuxwill try that
18:31.51Sho_Kyral_Laptop: Let's hope Krita becomes competitive quick :)
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18:35.29liquidatHej...
18:35.32munk__can somebody help me? im having troubles with installing a new icon theme
18:35.54liquidatJust tell what the problem is, than the people will see if they can help or not.
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18:37.30liquidatAnyone knows what happened to the knetworkmanager directory in svn? It vanished, and nothing was mentioned in the list or on the homepage.
18:38.23Riishow do i tell KDE to blank the screen when I lock the session
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18:38.55munk__can somebody help me? im having troubles with installing a new icon theme???
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18:39.25liquidatping troy-uni ?
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18:40.52liquidatmunk__: ...
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18:41.16liquidatRiis: What happens instead of going blank when you lock the system?
18:41.50Riisit just freezes the current image
18:41.56Riis<PROTECTED>
18:42.09Riiswhich coudl easily hold sensitive data
18:42.29RiisIM windows/browesers e-mails etc
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18:43.28liquidatRiis: What kind of screensaver do you have chosen?
18:43.50munk__liquidat whenever i try to install a new icon theme it says that its not a valid theme pack...what do i do?
18:43.50flyserRiis: select Blank Screen as your screensaver
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18:44.40liquidatmunk__: Can you give me a link to a package you tried to install?
18:44.54munk__http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/black+%2B+white+icons?content=24645
18:44.58apokryphosliquidat: try asking in #opensuse-kde
18:46.47liquidatapokryphos: Thanks.
18:47.23munk__liquidat did u get the link? if not here it is again http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/black+%2B+white+icons?content=24645
18:48.39liquidatmunk__: It worked here - did you try to unpack it? Which KDE version do you use?
18:49.05liquidatmunk__: Yes, I got the link, and yes, even I'm simply human and therefore need some time to figure things out.
18:49.19munk__liquidat: i have kde3.5
18:49.31flyserbtw. has any1 backported the oxygen icons to the kde 3.5.x icon naming sheme, I would love 3.5.x with oxygen icons? :D
18:49.39munk__liquidat : i tried to unpack it and leave it unpacked and it doesnt work:(
18:49.59thiagoflyser: no one has ported yet. We don't want that now.
18:50.05liquidatmunk__: It should work as long as you do not modify it. If not, which distribution do you use?
18:50.08flyserthiago: why?
18:50.11thiagoflyser: however, it will be done before the KDE 4.0 release.
18:50.22flyserthiago: okay :)
18:50.25munk__liquidat : gentoo
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18:50.52thiagoflyser: we don't want that now so that we find any broken icon uses.
18:50.52munk__liquidat : it worked now?!
18:51.03munk__liquidat : thats odd anyway thanks a lot..
18:51.05flyserthiago: okay np^^
18:51.08liquidatmunk__: As written above, yes, it worked for me.
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19:07.48hermierany svk user around ?
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19:09.20hermierthiago, how can I rename //foo in //bar
19:09.30thiagoin?
19:09.34thiagoor "to"?
19:09.38hermierto
19:09.48thiagosvk mv //foo //bar
19:09.51hermieroriginally I was think to say change
19:10.06hermierthen why do I need to make a commit ?
19:10.27hermierit's the thing I found really odd ...
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19:10.34thiagobecause that's a commit
19:10.59hermierso // is a *svn* tree ?
19:11.18Mekyou only commit it to the svk tree
19:11.27hermierthat won't affect the remote trees ?
19:11.55thiagohermier: // is the root of your local svk repository
19:11.56MekI guess not, although I don't know what would happen if you try to move a mirror of an svn tree arround
19:12.31Mekbut I haven't used svk much... I prefer git-svn for my version management :P
19:12.49hermierthat's my problem ...
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19:12.49Kyral_LaptopHmm, anyone know where torrents started via KTorrent's WebInterface plugin are saved?
19:13.18Sho_you can set the location in the prefs
19:13.21Sho_at least in my SVN version here
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19:15.56Kyral_Laptophmm I think I defaulted it to ~
19:16.04Kyral_Laptop(I'm using beta2
19:16.38kjetilhothiago: why did you stop using svk?
19:16.41thiagoif you didn't configure it, it might have defaulted there
19:16.48thiagokjetilho: I converted my repository to git
19:17.17kjetilhothanks :)
19:17.21thiagokjetilho: but I haven't managed to convert the entire repository.
19:17.33kjetilhowhy's that?
19:17.53thiagoI didn't convert a branch
19:18.30thiagoI wanted to do proper merges from trunk and I didn't have time to code the modifications to svn-fastexport
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19:43.51monkeyassanyone here?
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19:48.16SimAtWorki am here
19:48.18SimAtWorkmr ass
19:48.39monkeyasshi
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19:48.53monkeyassdo you know if there are any fedora help rooms?
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19:49.15monkeyassbecause im really depressed
19:49.41monkeyassi tried typing fedora but it just took me to fedora join instructions
19:51.05pipmonkeyass, hey
19:51.23pipmonkeyass, are you registered user ?
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19:53.25SimAtWorkI'm from Gentoo lakeSide resort.
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19:53.52monkeyassback
19:53.53monkeyasssorry
19:54.02monkeyassim in liek 7 different channels and reading some forums
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19:54.26monkeyassregistered to this channel?
19:54.29swanflnow that's true multitasking ;)
19:55.11pipmonkeyass, to freenode I think
19:55.16monkeyasslol not if you dont count i have the kettle on ready for a brew which im going to make now
19:55.22monkeyassoh i dont think so
19:55.26monkeyassill sign up now
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19:56.27AhcoeurHellooo Here
19:56.39Ahcoeuris somebody knows well flex&bison ?
19:56.58koss_How do I set my desktop icons to be smaller?
19:57.02koss_A lot smaller
19:57.06pipmonkeyass, if you can't find any clue on how to solve your problem of  Fedora,ask in #gentoo
19:57.20Ahcoeurkoss_ you can buy new glass
19:57.43Ahcoeurpresbyte model
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19:57.53monkeyassback
19:57.53koss_Ahcoeur, there has to be a better answer than that.
19:58.01Ahcoeuryes sur
19:58.30monkeyasssweet thanks
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19:58.52pipmonkeyass, I mean suppose
19:59.03monkeyassok
19:59.21monkeyassi think i just found out hwo to install flash player :) so thats one down
19:59.25monkeyassnow my wireless card
19:59.35swanflso is kde version 4 still on schedule?
19:59.51pinotree?
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20:08.44main2when i doubleclick on my applications taskbar, it folds instead of min/maximize
20:08.55main2where can i change this?
20:09.03benJImanDo you mean the titlebar?
20:09.26main2yep
20:09.28main2sorry
20:09.30main2typo
20:09.30benJImanright click -> configure -> actions -> titlebar double-click -> maximise
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20:10.05main2where should i rightclick on?
20:10.24benJImanthe titlebar
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20:10.51main2i dont have a 'configure' option when i rightclick on an application its titlebar
20:11.01main2(im using beryl on kde btw)
20:11.55benJImanBeryl isn't a kde app
20:12.04main2uhhh................................
20:12.10benJImanAsk in beryl channel if it's possible.
20:12.15monkeyassdoes anyone here use fedora 7?
20:12.15benJImanIt is with kde's window manager (kwin)
20:12.25main2ahhhhhhhhh k =)
20:12.30main2thanks benJIman
20:13.12main2ok, got that sorted now : - ))
20:13.33main2one question remaining is, when i hover over my applications in the kde-taskbar
20:13.42main2it shows a tooltip with the application its title / name
20:13.54main2can i stop this from happening (since im using thumbnails from beryl..) ?
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20:15.22benJImanright click -> configure -> appearance -> uncheck "enable icon mouseover effects" and "show tooltips"
20:15.36monkeyasshas anyone installed a broadcom wireless card here?
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20:16.55pipmonkeyass, Can you enter #fedora ?
20:17.19monkeyass#fedora
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21:14.46linuxrocksIs there a way to change Konqueror so that when you start typing, it goes to the first item that starts with those sequence of letters. This is similar to what they had in Nautilus.
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21:31.07linuxrocksIs there a way to change Konqueror so that when you start typing, it goes to the first item that starts with those sequence of letters. This is similar to what they had in Nautilus.
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21:33.59vlt|homeHello. In which file does Konqueror store its history (what pages/domains recently were viewed and when)?
21:34.37bram85linuxrocks: you can change the auto fill option by right clicking the location bar, if that's what y ou mean
21:35.18bram85vlt|home: ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konq_history
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21:36.59vlt|homebram85: Thank you. What file format is it? -- Doesn't really look very XML ;-)
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21:39.44bram85vlt|home: no idea actually, therefore i would have to look in the source
21:40.12bram85vlt|home: but i'm about to go offline, so you could try to investigate it
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21:45.08x_linkHow do I get that soundspeaker right next to my clock?
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21:47.02thiagorun kmix
21:47.06monkeybutthi is there a command to bring up the x-server configuration menu? i want to change my resolution
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21:48.16thiagothere is no X server configuration menu
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21:49.40linuxrocksbram: no I mean when I have the main part of the window focused and type more than one letter to index an item.
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21:50.51x_linkthiago: Thank
21:50.54x_linkthanks
21:50.59monkeybuttis there a way to get back to the menu where you can set a custom monitor?
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21:51.26Small_Machow configurable is the kde universal sidebar, can i shrink its length?
21:51.42thiagomonkeybutt: that's probably a distribution-specific tool. Ask in their channel.
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21:52.52linuxrocksIs there a way to change Konqueror so that when you start typing in the main part where the icons are, it indexes to the first item that begins with those sequence of letters. This is similar to what they had in Nautilus.
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21:54.46thiagolinuxrocks: Konqueror does that already
21:55.00monkeybuttis there a command like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in fedora?
21:55.06Small_Macthiago yeah i asked in kubuntu, they sort of referred me here =)
21:55.10Small_Maci'll keep looking
21:55.13thiagolinuxrocks: start typing and it jumps to that which matches
21:55.19thiagomonkeybutt: ask in #fedora
21:55.23pinotreemonkeybutt: please ask in #fedora
21:55.33monkeybuttsorry
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21:55.43monkeybuttwrong channel
21:56.11ma_bHello. I can't remember how the konqueror embedded jpg previewer is called, that can also zoom.
21:56.27ma_bcurrently I have khtmlimage
21:56.39Shirakawasunama_b: I use gwenview
21:57.30ma_bNo I mean embedded konqueror preview.
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21:59.39kdepepoI use KViewViewerPart
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22:00.34munk__im having hard times with the taskbar can somebody help me?
22:01.21munk__please?
22:01.31thiagono one can help you...
22:01.37thiago...until you say what your problem is
22:02.17munk__true...lol sorry...well i took the taskbar out of the bar and now i cant put it back in....i can only make it external but i want to embed it back into the bar...
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22:03.08munk__and another thing my kde menu is in the middle of the screen is there anyway of moving it back all the way on the left side as it usually is?
22:03.17linuxrocksthiago: ya, but I want to be able to type more than 1 letter to match an item like in nautilus and synaptic
22:03.32kdepepodelete kickerrc :)
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22:06.53thiagolinuxrocks: you can do that
22:07.11thiagolinuxrocks: type as many letters as you need
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22:32.02tuxickkewl, konq crashed
22:32.58tuxickah no, kde itself has gone mad, cursor changed into a circle with a diagonal bar and stopped doing anything
22:33.13Sho_try pressing ESC ;)
22:33.14tuxickwhat am i supposed to do with this secret sign?
22:33.39tuxickSho_: been there done that
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22:34.13tuxickoh, there's also another vague paper/sheet like icon floating around
22:34.23tuxickyet still no clue what kde is expecting me to do
22:34.26tuxickor some app
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22:35.24Sho_tuxick: well it sounds like a drag'n'drop operation gone bad due to something hanging
22:36.14tuxickSho_: ye, guess so
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22:36.19tuxickit times out now, btw
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22:36.30tuxickit was triggered on some javascript, i think
22:36.47tuxickah!
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23:11.51premier_Hi, has anyone booted the kde4 liveCD alpha?
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23:12.42premier_I'm just worried that its not safe to run on my computer because its alpha... I'm sure, since its kde though, its a high quality product even for an alpha... so should I be concerned?
23:13.44lilltigerpremier_: depends o what you meen with safe
23:14.04wolsnipremier_: the livecd shouldn't have any permanent effects
23:14.11premier_lilltiger: like "back-up your computer and pray" is not safe...
23:14.17premier_wolsni: good, just making sure
23:14.42lilltigerpremier_: you probly dont even have to mount any disc
23:15.00premier_lilltiger: that would be ideal
23:15.16lilltigerpremier_: thats the whole point the a live cd
23:15.23premier_whats on there so far, besides the cosmetic stuff?
23:15.35lilltigerpremier_: if you are paranoid, just dissconnects your harddrives..
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23:15.47premier_lilltiger: its a laptop
23:16.02lilltigerpremier_: disable it in the bois then :)
23:16.05lilltigerbios
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23:18.07premier_thats possible?
23:18.26premier_I've been in my bios menu, but I don't remember anything like that
23:19.05wolsnipremier_: you could just physically remove the drive :D
23:19.12ryanakcais there an easy way to update my KDE4 builds?
23:19.13lilltigerpremier_: hmm, then you shouldent change stuff in bios, it's only for advance users :
23:19.27illogic-alryanakca: anonymous svn
23:19.39illogic-alryanakca: how do you like kde 4 so far? :-)
23:20.00ryanakcaillogic-al: haven't gotten it built yet
23:20.09SimAtWorkpremier_: i disagree with lilltiger, play with your bios just figure out how to reset it first :)
23:20.32illogic-alhey sim. whatcha resettin'?
23:20.35ryanakcaillogic-al: I'm trying to get the newer sources... I would've thought 'svn update' would do the trick, but:
23:20.41ryanakcaSkipped '.'
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23:20.49SimAtWorkillogic-al: back to defaults
23:20.51illogic-alryanakca: svn up should do it.
23:21.09SimAtWork(the bios)
23:21.13ryanakcaillogic-al: I get Skipped '.'
23:21.15premier_SimAtWork, lilltiger, I know a little about how to play with my bios... I know enough to stay away from dangerous stuff
23:21.50lilltigerpremier_: playing with harddrives can be dangerous if you dont know what you are doing
23:22.25SimAtWorkwell, it won't kill anyone.
23:22.35SimAtWorkdon't be affraid, fiddle a little.  it's the best way to learn.
23:22.36illogic-almuch
23:22.40lilltigerSimAtWork: If he sets the wrong amouth of cylinders and heads for the harddrive he might end up with ruining the data on it
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23:23.26tcpsynGood evening gentlemen.
23:23.32ryanakcahey tcpsyn
23:23.35tcpsynIt was suggested I ask in here about a multihead configuration.
23:23.58tcpsynI'd like to run two seperate kde sessions on two seperate monitors without twinview or xinerama.
23:24.00tcpsynjust two xsessions, started from kdm.
23:24.07tcpsynI haven't been able to get that to work right.
23:24.16tcpsynI want beryl on one, and mythtv on the other.
23:24.21tcpsynany idea how I can make that happen?
23:24.37lilltigerhmm sound like an xserver quest :
23:24.41lilltiger:)
23:25.08tcpsynI've gotten it to "almost" work a few times.
23:25.11tcpsynbut nothing solid.
23:25.23lilltigeryou should be able to create several different display from your xserver and attacch different sessions to it
23:25.36tcpsynyeah, I just don't know how.
23:26.34wolsniwell, there is an #xorg
23:27.14wolsnii think  that would be a better place to ask
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23:28.13lilltigeryhee, xorg should be the best bet id say
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23:30.51illogic-alryanakca: ping
23:30.58ryanakcaillogic-al: pong
23:31.22illogic-alare you getting any errors when you svn up?
23:31.37ryanakca└─(~/kde/build/KDE/kdelibs)-> svn up
23:31.38ryanakcaSkipped '.'
23:31.58ryanakcaand then it goes back to my prompt
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23:33.42illogic-alryanakca: it's not an svn directory then
23:33.49ryanakcahmmm
23:33.50illogic-alryanakca: is this from an unpacked tarball?
23:33.57ryanakcaillogic-al: no..
23:34.03ryanakcafrom.... just a sec
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23:34.39illogic-alryanakca: doesn't really matter where it's from. for svn to work you need a subversion  checkout
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23:34.58Borg^Queenhi does anyone know how to reset/format an ipod on linux?
23:35.04ryanakcacd $KDE_SRC
23:35.04ryanakcamkdir KDE && cd KDE
23:35.04ryanakcasvn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdelibs
23:35.04ryanakcacd kdelibs
23:35.08ryanakcacmakekde
23:35.20ryanakcais how I obtained, and tried to build the sources
23:36.05illogic-alcurious
23:36.08ryanakcavery
23:36.13ryanakcarm -fr and start again?
23:36.18illogic-alryanakca: yup.
23:36.22ryanakcaok
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23:38.32illogic-also everyone here will be overjoyed to know that Spreadkde.org will be on it's way back. Soon.
23:38.54illogic-alAlthough not necessarily bigger, better and badder than before.
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23:39.09riwawhat's the name of the "control center" program?
23:39.24illogic-alkcontrol
23:39.42riwaillogic-al: Thanks ;)
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23:39.58illogic-alnp.
23:40.05illogic-alriwa: what did I do?
23:40.57riwaillogic-al: ??
23:41.21illogic-alriwa: you said thanks. what'd i do to be thanked for? :-)
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23:41.30Jucato[07:38] <riwa> what's the name of the "control center" program?
23:41.30Jucato[07:38] <illogic-al> kcontrol
23:41.42illogic-aloh
23:41.49illogic-aldamn. i'm getting old
23:42.02illogic-alI literally forgot about that...
23:42.39riwalol
23:42.44riwaillogic-al: ;)
23:42.45illogic-alor maybe illogic-al has no short term memory...
23:42.46Jucatomust be RAM
23:42.49ryanakcalol
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23:44.49illogic-alNO making fun of the special kid
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23:46.39riwaJucato: Man you're up early... (or late)
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23:50.06Jucatoriwa: um... both... it's almost 8am
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