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| 00:40.05 | padde | jersht: use another program to view pictures, for example set the file type for JPG images to open kuickshow or gwenview |
| 00:40.20 | padde | jersht: there you have a lot more control of how the image is being viewed |
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| 00:49.05 | sabayonlive-2903 | Hey there |
| 00:49.14 | sabayonlive-2903 | I have no .wine folder and i can access winecfg |
| 00:49.20 | swanfl | what is the lost in found in KDE and where do those entries reside? |
| 00:49.26 | sabayonlive-2903 | I have hidden files showing, does anyone know why this woukld happen? |
| 00:49.30 | sabayonlive-2903 | My distro has wine by default |
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| 00:52.45 | swanfl | sorry lost and found |
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| 01:01.12 | Shirakawasuna | sabayonlive-2903: they really need to fix your distro - this is #kde. You want #sabayonlinu |
| 01:01.14 | Shirakawasuna | *x |
| 01:01.49 | Shirakawasuna | oops, it's #sabayon |
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| 02:40.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | Hi |
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| 02:43.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | I making a gamekit called kollagame |
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| 02:45.37 | tanamo | can i see it sir? :) |
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| 02:47.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | tanamo: there isn't much to see yet |
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| 02:49.42 | PeterFA | I mean, using amaroK. |
| 02:49.54 | PeterFA | Can I bind a key combo to a radio station? |
| 02:50.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | It seems there is interest in a gamekit for KDE |
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| 02:51.47 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, what's a gamekit exactly? |
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| 02:55.23 | CPrgmSwR2 | Its going to be a collage of game engines |
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| 02:55.47 | CPrgmSwR2 | so you can create games like zelda final fantasy, mario brothers, space invadors |
| 02:55.52 | Jucato | the kdegames and kdeedu people might be interested |
| 02:56.10 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, kinda like DirectX? |
| 02:56.42 | CPrgmSwR2 | PeterFA its going to be a rapid development environment so users can create games without have to touch programming code |
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| 02:57.31 | CPrgmSwR2 | I plan for the game to support ai scripts |
| 02:57.40 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, neat. |
| 02:57.44 | CPrgmSwR2 | Yeah |
| 02:57.51 | CPrgmSwR2 | I would love to get some developer help in it though |
| 02:58.03 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, I would love to have programming expreince. |
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| 02:58.14 | PeterFA | I am doing my own project but it won't go anywhere until I read documentatin. |
| 02:58.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am in the process right now of creating a Qt level object |
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| 02:59.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | The hardest part of the level editor in my opionon |
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| 03:02.28 | CPrgmSwR2 | PeterFA: do you know how to notify kde in order to ask them for help |
| 03:03.03 | CPrgmSwR2 | I find the process of enlisting the program overwhelming due to the lack of help |
| 03:03.29 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, no. |
| 03:03.32 | CPrgmSwR2 | darn |
| 03:04.04 | PeterFA | Why? |
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| 03:04.29 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, I don't even know what you asked. |
| 03:05.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am having trouble explain my trouble |
| 03:05.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | I told #kde-devel about my project and they refered me to a #kdegame-dev or something like that |
| 03:06.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | Then from their they told me I had to sign up for a svn account |
| 03:06.27 | CPrgmSwR2 | So then I was going to create one through kde but then relized I don't really have enough done in my project for it to amount to anything yet |
| 03:06.58 | CPrgmSwR2 | So I decided it would be best to hold off until I can get something worth showing |
| 03:07.00 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, what could an ammature Java programmer do for you? |
| 03:07.18 | PeterFA | amateur |
| 03:07.37 | CPrgmSwR2 | You can help design the gamekit |
| 03:07.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | I need help with designing it as much as creating it |
| 03:07.58 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, I'll help, sure. |
| 03:08.08 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, got a channel? |
| 03:08.30 | CPrgmSwR2 | How do I register a channel? |
| 03:09.04 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, first you create it. |
| 03:09.12 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, then it's a matter of messaging chanserv |
| 03:09.23 | PeterFA | /msg chanserv help |
| 03:09.36 | PeterFA | /msg chanserv help register |
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| 03:10.23 | Jucato | you could probably put it up in kde-apps too, at least temporarily? |
| 03:11.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | Done |
| 03:11.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | How would I do that Jucato? |
| 03:12.13 | CPrgmSwR2 | I created my channel #kollagame |
| 03:12.51 | Jucato | sign up for a kde-apps account? mabye put it up as a KDE improvement or something? I'm not really sure. but that seems to be the place where some budding developers start with their projects |
| 03:14.01 | CPrgmSwR2 | where is the signin page? |
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| 03:15.01 | Jucato | Register in the menu (upper right) |
| 03:15.28 | CPrgmSwR2 | I see Sitemap and Contacts |
| 03:15.53 | CPrgmSwR2 | nvm |
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| 03:20.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have made an account now |
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| 03:22.02 | CPrgmSwR2 | Now how would I temperarly upload what I have |
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| 03:27.46 | CPrgmSwR2 | What is the program called that takes screenshots? |
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| 03:29.09 | canllaith | CPrgmSwR2: ksnapshot |
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| 03:30.54 | CPrgmSwR2 | thnx canllaith |
| 03:31.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | Jucato: Are you still here? |
| 03:31.55 | Jucato | CPrgmSwR2: yep? |
| 03:32.03 | Jucato | (I don't know how to upload to kde-apps) |
| 03:32.18 | dcosson | someone knowledgeable ... basically in KDE4, kdesktop, kicker, widgets a la superkaramba, &c, will all be rolled into one app framework (plasma)? |
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| 03:33.02 | Jucato | kdesktop was killed, kicker will be killed. superkaramba will still be superkaramba, but there will also be plasmoids (something like superkaramba for Plasma) |
| 03:33.22 | CPrgmSwR2 | source code inside qt and kde is free to copy and use right? |
| 03:33.37 | Mek | as long as you follow the appropriate licenses... |
| 03:33.58 | CPrgmSwR2 | What state that the software remain free to use as well right? |
| 03:34.15 | Mek | for Qt, which is GPL it requires that your software is GPL as well |
| 03:34.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | okay |
| 03:34.59 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have never done this before so I really don't know what I am doing |
| 03:37.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=59953 |
| 03:37.41 | CPrgmSwR2 | This is sad |
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| 03:39.05 | dcosson | it would be nice if the taskbar portion of plasma or whatever would have the ability to reorder taskbar buttons, show only app icons, etc. |
| 03:40.35 | klobster | anyone know where automount stores it's conf file? I want to change where my cds mount to by default |
| 03:40.50 | Mek | isn't that just part of the normal /etc/fstab? |
| 03:41.20 | Jucato | CPrgmSwR2: btw, http://www.kde.org/mailinglists/ and see the kde-games-devel links |
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| 03:41.32 | klobster | doesn't appear to be (at least for my usb drive) |
| 03:41.57 | Mek | ah, yes... usb devices are of course more complicated |
| 03:44.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | thats cool ktexteditor |
| 03:44.26 | CPrgmSwR2 | nvm LOL |
| 03:44.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | I thought that was a kleveleditor |
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| 03:46.31 | Bugz | I'm getting error "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave" |
| 03:46.33 | Bugz | and Could not start process Unable to create io-slave |
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| 03:46.58 | Bugz | and "klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_trash'" |
| 03:47.20 | Bugz | This happened after installing KDE updates |
| 03:48.08 | klobster | mek: it works, but I would prefer it to mount in a folder other than /media |
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| 03:53.18 | mkzelda | id actually like that too |
| 03:53.25 | mkzelda | i just learned to deal w/ it tho |
| 03:53.59 | PeterFA | Wow, Patience is better than Microsoft Games. |
| 03:54.30 | PeterFA | All we need now is an open source flight sim and the straw house that Microsoft is will feel another breeze. |
| 03:54.34 | PeterFA | When will it fall? |
| 03:55.45 | klobster | mkzelda: not learning to deal with it is _exactly_ why I run linux ;) |
| 03:56.05 | Jucato | PeterFA: Flight Gear? |
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| 03:56.31 | PeterFA | Jucato, is that really a flight sim? |
| 03:56.36 | Jucato | http://www.flightgear.org/ |
| 03:57.06 | PeterFA | dang. |
| 03:57.27 | PeterFA | The only thing left is a tax suite. |
| 03:57.31 | PeterFA | I've got that though. |
| 03:57.42 | PeterFA | Join #gratistax if anyone wants to help. |
| 03:57.55 | Jucato | kmymoney? gnucash? (not really sure) |
| 03:58.33 | StarScream | i quite like kmymoney |
| 03:58.37 | StarScream | its very good |
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| 03:59.39 | P-Luc_Auclair | will KDE4 be resolution independent? |
| 03:59.46 | Jucato | PeterFA: http://www.taxcodesoftware.org/default.asp ? |
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| 04:21.05 | PeterFA | Jucato, I just sent an email to that guy asking that I could join his project :) |
| 04:21.22 | PeterFA | I feel like taking on a project. |
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| 04:39.30 | PeterFA | Is there like a little applet I can install to FF that gives me a control thing and message about what's playing in amaroK? |
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| 04:41.47 | Ardonik | Foxytunes, perhaps. |
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| 04:42.56 | PeterFA | Ardonik, thansk. |
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| 05:17.46 | Crell | Hi all. Quick Konqueror question. Every time I open Konqueror, either in browser mode or file mode, it opens to the same obscenely large size. I always have to resize it. Is there a way to set the default opening size for each mode? |
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| 05:18.30 | Simeon_H | that was a nice 16 hour sleep |
| 05:19.02 | Crell | I hate you. :-) |
| 05:20.19 | Jucato | Crell: Settings -> Save View Profile (Profile name) -> check the Save window size in profile |
| 05:20.41 | Jucato | but afaik, it uses the window size that was used when it was last opened |
| 05:21.33 | Crell | Jucato: Hm. So check that on, set the window size, close, reopen, uncheck? |
| 05:21.53 | Jucato | no need to uncheck I think |
| 05:23.03 | Simeon_H | oooh this Kflickr thing looks interesting |
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| 05:23.13 | Simeon_H | not that I have a flickr account :D |
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| 05:26.10 | Crell | Jucato: Awesome, thanks! |
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| 05:26.27 | Crell | That's been bugging me for weeks since I got a big monitor. :-) |
| 05:26.41 | p4r0l3 | is there a fan management tool for kde/qt that can control cpu/gpu fan speeds? |
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| 05:32.01 | oneforall | hmm arts 64bit compiled fine . but trying to compile 32bit its driving me nuts . http://rafb.net/p/4Xmovb94.html it does eror out . having a hard time wiht this one figgureing out whats its using to goto -m64 mode and not stay in -m32 . because its lookignat those libs in /usr/lib64 and not /usr/lib |
| 05:33.12 | oneforall | --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt/lib --with-qt-includes=/usr/lib/qt/include just to make sure its using that qt and not lib64 |
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| 05:33.28 | oneforall | compilign it for wine |
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| 05:35.33 | oneforall | /usr/lib/qt/lib# ldd * they all show pionting to /usr/lib /lib |
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| 05:49.52 | jwallingford_ | ok for a while i was trying to get thunderbird v2.0 to install and could never do it. I gave up and now want to install the thunderbird v1.5 that comes in adept. I can install and uninstall it just fine but when i go to run the program it just loads and loads and loads and then the bouncing icon of it loading dissapears and nothing else happens... anybody know what I could have messed up? or maybe how to fix this? |
| 05:49.56 | jwallingford_ | Kubuntu 65bit |
| 05:50.15 | Crell | They just had to add that extra bit, didn't they.... |
| 05:50.24 | Jucato | jwallingford_: ask in Kubuntu. as you might have guessed, Thunderbird is not a KDE app. |
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| 05:51.32 | jwallingford_ | Jucato: I have gotten it to work just fine before on this machine... it was something i did while trying to install thunderbird 2.0 |
| 05:52.16 | Jucato | jwallingford_: still, it's not a KDE issue. you might get better answers in #kubuntu or #ubuntu |
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| 05:53.01 | jwallingford_ | Jucato: ok thank you |
| 05:53.11 | klobster | where does kde install its splash screen themes by default |
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| 05:55.28 | Jucato | klobster: the ones that are installed by the system or the ones that you add as a user? |
| 05:55.38 | klobster | either |
| 05:55.45 | klobster | both, actually |
| 05:55.49 | Jucato | well they are in slightly different places |
| 05:55.59 | klobster | why? |
| 05:56.05 | Jucato | the system-wide ones are in $KDEDIR/share/apps/ksplash |
| 05:56.15 | Jucato | the user-added ones are in $KDEHOME/share/apps/ksplash |
| 05:56.35 | Jucato | with $KDEDIR being the output of "kde-config --prefix" (a.k.a. where KDE is installed) |
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| 05:56.42 | Jucato | and $KDEHOME is usually ~/.kde/ |
| 05:57.04 | klobster | ahh. I see, for all users or one user |
| 05:57.28 | Jucato | yes. splash screens are a per user setting |
| 05:57.40 | Jucato | change one user's, the others aren't affected |
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| 06:18.41 | leroutier | hello |
| 06:19.11 | leroutier | Is there a channel for Konq/E, Konqueror or Khtml developpers ? |
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| 06:20.31 | Jucato | leroutier: there's #khtml |
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| 06:22.13 | Jucato | you're there actually |
| 06:22.16 | leroutier | sorry, new IRC client, I'm a bit lost |
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| 06:26.43 | xlotlu | can i make embedded preview the default action in konqueror? |
| 06:27.36 | bram85 | xlotlu: change the file association settings for that particular file type |
| 06:27.53 | bram85 | xlotlu: or you want to change it for all file types at once? |
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| 06:28.29 | xlotlu | bram85: no, for a specific file / set of files. that i know how to do. the problem here is the embedded preview |
| 06:29.33 | xlotlu | that is, katepart in this case |
| 06:29.48 | bram85 | xlotlu: you can change these settings in the Embedded tab of a single file association |
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| 06:30.32 | bram85 | xlotlu: there's a radio group of choosing between external viewer or embedded... and if embedded, choose which parts you want to use (the upper part is being used for previewing as default) |
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| 06:32.03 | xlotlu | bram85: yeah, sorry, my question was incomplete |
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| 06:32.30 | bram85 | xlotlu: ok guessed so |
| 06:33.22 | xlotlu | the left-(double-)clicking default works as expected. the middle clicking bothers me, it always opens in the external application, instead of a new tab with the embedded viewer |
| 06:34.13 | bram85 | xlotlu: i wonder if that is configurable, the middle mouse button is 'external app' by definition, as far as i know |
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| 06:36.22 | xlotlu | bram85: if so.. might there be a way to call the kpart as an "external application"? |
| 06:40.08 | bram85 | xlotlu: a kpart can not run on it's own, it always needs a host application |
| 06:40.40 | bram85 | xlotlu: unless you write a separate application which simply shows a katepart only |
| 06:41.20 | bram85 | xlotlu: or maybe someone else has a better idea, but i don't know if the thing you want is possible |
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| 06:42.12 | xlotlu | bram85: all i'm looking for is being able to middle click on a file and open it in a new tab, wherever a kpart is available for it... |
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| 06:54.41 | AstroGirl | I'm using hpodder to download podcasts - I tried to set it up as a cron-job to run at night (when download limit is good), but it doesn't appear to work at all. Hpodder works when ran in a terminal manually though. |
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| 07:24.25 | ni1s | hey! |
| 07:24.28 | ni1s | What do I need for amarok to transfer cover art to my iPod? |
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| 07:42.44 | one_red_eye | where is kde's menu stored? |
| 07:43.39 | bram85 | ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu |
| 07:44.22 | bram85 | ~/.local/share/applications/ contains the data of the menu entries |
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| 08:10.00 | ma_b | Hello. I changed ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc . Now restarting konqueror doesn't take the settings, what can I reload without restarting the system? |
| 08:10.22 | ma_b | For restarting there was no process of konqueror anymore |
| 08:11.01 | annma | what settings did you change? |
| 08:11.16 | ma_b | <ToolBar newline="false".. |
| 08:11.37 | ma_b | I still can't move the toolbar to one line. |
| 08:11.53 | annma | are you sure this is rigth? |
| 08:12.43 | ma_b | Yes, last time that worked after reboot. But I saved the profile, and it seems to be reset. |
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| 08:13.08 | annma | reset? |
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| 08:13.32 | ma_b | After saving the profile it's set to true again. |
| 08:14.08 | annma | is your konqueror running? |
| 08:14.10 | ma_b | It's from the kde hidden configuration wiki. |
| 08:14.12 | Jucato | hi annma! :) |
| 08:14.16 | annma | Jucato: !!! |
| 08:14.32 | ma_b | annma: No I closed it, and no process was running anymore. |
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| 08:18.55 | annma | I'm about to |
| 08:19.55 | ma_b | ok I restart.. |
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| 08:27.16 | ma_b | Ok, it's not a reloading problem of ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc since other changes are accepted. |
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| 08:27.43 | ma_b | But I still can't merge the locationToolBar with the mainToolBar. |
| 08:28.00 | ma_b | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.10 | ma_b | <ToolBar newline="false" noMerge="0" name="locationToolBar" fullWidth="false" > |
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| 08:38.04 | ma_b | Only when I scale the window larger then my 1024x786 screen. |
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| 08:41.43 | annma | Jucato: I am doing a screencast of my plasmoid |
| 08:41.57 | annma | I'm not very good for doing this |
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| 08:42.27 | Jucato | annma: ooooh :) |
| 08:42.41 | Jucato | are you going to show it at a talk? :) |
| 08:42.53 | annma | no, just on my blog |
| 08:42.58 | Jucato | :) |
| 08:43.08 | Jucato | skreencasts are the in thing on planetkde :) |
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| 08:47.58 | ma_b | locationToolBar and mainToolBar don't fit horizontally on the screen and I can't resize locationToolBar. But I'm sure it worked all the time until this morning. |
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| 08:56.06 | ma_b | There is also ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/webbrowsing but there NewLine=false doesn't help neither. |
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| 09:05.07 | annma | Jucato: want to see it? it's very "amateurish" |
| 09:05.53 | Jucato | sure :) |
| 09:07.40 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.48 | annma | but on YouTube it's too small |
| 09:09.03 | Jucato | :) |
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| 09:13.00 | bluekb | Hello, I just upgraded to Fedora 7, Qt: 3.3.8 KDE: 3.5.6-9.fc7 Fedora -- KDE no longer seems to accept or know about the Windows key. |
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| 09:13.26 | bluekb | All my keybindings with Win+* no longer work, and I was wondering if this would be a kde issue, or something else |
| 09:13.40 | bluekb | (perhaps keyboard configuration/driver?) |
| 09:14.02 | apokryphos | bluekb: in any kde app, if you go to settings -> configure shortcuts, and try to set a shortcut with it, does it work? |
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| 09:15.13 | bluekb | apachelogger, while I am holding down the Win key, it shows that it is being pressed, but when I hit any other key, the "Win+" gets dropped. |
| 09:15.36 | bluekb | (tested in kalarm with Win+F) |
| 09:15.39 | apokryphos | :/ |
| 09:16.48 | apokryphos | bluekb: in kcontrol -> keyboard shortcuts, is it listed as a modifier key? |
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| 09:17.43 | ma_b | Merging toolbars into one line doesn't even work anymore, if I restore a backup ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/. |
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| 09:18.02 | annma | Jucato: why jealous? |
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| 09:18.15 | apokryphos | ma_b: you probably need your ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc as well |
| 09:18.55 | Jucato | annma: I couldn't make Plasma or kwin_composite work properly. except for the clock... |
| 09:20.11 | annma | oh |
| 09:20.32 | annma | for kwin composite it might be your video card |
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| 09:20.41 | annma | but plasma shold not have problems |
| 09:20.56 | annma | welll there's only the clock and a CIA applet which is a bit buggy |
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| 09:22.40 | bluekb | apokryphos, yes |
| 09:22.42 | Treibholz | is it possible to color the subject-line in kmail (like in mutt)? |
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| 09:23.24 | apokryphos | bluekb: as mod4? |
| 09:23.27 | bluekb | apokryphos, is it possible some other application is capturing/blocking the key somehow? |
| 09:23.33 | bluekb | apokryphos, yes, as mod4 |
| 09:23.41 | apokryphos | bluekb: and, on the x modifier mapping below, what does it say for mod4? |
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| 09:24.17 | apokryphos | bluekb: hrm, I don't really see how. The fact that it doesn't allow you to make conjugations of shortcuts with the win key suggests it's not appropriately set as a modifier somehow :/ |
| 09:24.28 | bluekb | hmm |
| 09:24.33 | bluekb | Well, this is odd... |
| 09:24.43 | apokryphos | bluekb: what does it list below in that section? |
| 09:25.14 | bluekb | in the top portion of the screen, under "kde modifiers" it lists win as mod4, but below it lists mod4 as having no keybindings |
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| 09:25.26 | apokryphos | there's the problem then |
| 09:25.34 | bluekb | (under "x modifier mappings") |
| 09:25.39 | Jucato | annma: but kompmgr and beryl are quite fast :( |
| 09:25.43 | bluekb | However, I can't fix that by clicking anything.. |
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| 09:25.58 | Jucato | oh well.... I'm more concerned in getting my bluetooth dialup setup right now :) |
| 09:26.04 | apokryphos | bluekb: yeah, we can fix it with xmodmap though |
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| 09:26.14 | bluekb | ah, good |
| 09:26.37 | ma_b | apokryphos: Doesn't help either. In ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc are also toolBar settings. I also set these to NewLine=false, but doesn't help. |
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| 09:28.05 | apokryphos | ma_b: konqueror toolbars on one line are really fiddly for me too |
| 09:28.27 | ma_b | apokryphos: Don't know where they are saving their settings. |
| 09:28.32 | apokryphos | bluekb: you can use xev to get the keycode and then you can place that into ~/.Xmodmap |
| 09:28.41 | annma | Jucato: what videa card? |
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| 09:29.17 | Jucato | annma: nvidia geforce4 mx4000. works fine with beryl, compiz, and kompmgr |
| 09:29.34 | annma | probably something is not set right |
| 09:29.40 | annma | KDE4 is alpha ;) |
| 09:30.07 | apokryphos | bluekb: type this into a terminal: from planet.freedesktop.org |
| 09:30.14 | apokryphos | hrm, not that ;) |
| 09:30.20 | Jucato | annma: yeah. but your alpha is not the same as my alpha :( |
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| 09:30.26 | apokryphos | bluekb: xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' | sed -n '/keycode /s/^.*keycode \([0-9]*\).* (.*, \(.*\)).*$/\1 \2/p' |
| 09:30.54 | apokryphos | bluekb: now hover over to the little box, press the Win key, then move the mouse a little and report what the terminal says |
| 09:31.02 | ma_b | apokryphos: There are ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/webbrowsing and all have toolbar settings and I set them all to newline=false. I even restored it from backup. locationToolBar is just to long to fit into one line with mainToolBar but yesterday it worked, locationToolBar was just shorter. |
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| 09:31.36 | apokryphos | ma_b: like I said, it's really fiddly for me too, and I can rarely see a pattern in its mysterious behaviour |
| 09:32.01 | bluekb | 115 Super_L |
| 09:32.17 | apokryphos | bluekb: odd, so it is mapped properly by X :/ |
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| 09:33.22 | apokryphos | bluekb: if you make a new user, does it work as expected? |
| 09:33.29 | bluekb | hold on, checking |
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| 09:34.45 | bluekb | apokryphos, no, same problem |
| 09:34.58 | apokryphos | bluekb: ok, then please file a bug report for fedora |
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| 09:38.21 | bluekb | apokryphos, thanks. :) |
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| 09:40.23 | bluekb | apokryphos, wait... mistake |
| 09:40.34 | bluekb | I thought I was using a clean user--but wasn't |
| 09:40.54 | bluekb | A clean user, yes, behaves as expected. |
| 09:40.59 | bluekb | :/ |
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| 09:41.34 | apokryphos | bluekb: so your current ~/.kde you imported from another distro? |
| 09:41.43 | bluekb | from Fedora 4 |
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| 09:41.48 | apokryphos | :o |
| 09:42.00 | apokryphos | bluekb: what kde version? |
| 09:42.07 | apokryphos | I think the modifier win key came around 3.4 times |
| 09:42.08 | bluekb | hmm... I don't recall |
| 09:42.29 | bluekb | Not sure how to check either. |
| 09:42.43 | apokryphos | distrowatch ;) |
| 09:42.53 | bluekb | yeah... |
| 09:43.25 | apokryphos | hrm, nope, 3.5 |
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| 09:44.07 | apokryphos | I really don't know where these settings are stored though |
| 09:44.52 | bluekb | apokryphos, it was 3.5.3 |
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| 09:45.38 | bluekb | well, I guess I'll look until I find something intersting. heh. |
| 09:45.49 | apokryphos | hrm, nope, it was 3.4 |
| 09:46.02 | amro | hm for some reason applications run with kdesu have better eyecandy than apps run by my user... where can I change that setting? |
| 09:46.18 | apokryphos | amro: themes are controlled are in kcontrol |
| 09:46.33 | amro | not the theme itself, it's the same theme |
| 09:46.36 | amro | just better effects |
| 09:46.41 | apokryphos | 'effets' ? |
| 09:46.42 | leo_ | hi, i want if i start a video file from konqueror and then another one that the second one is played back in the allready opened player. atm it starts a new player everytime |
| 09:46.46 | amro | I've set it in kpersonalizer |
| 09:46.53 | logixoul | amro: the ones you run with kdesu are simply using the settings of the root user. so, use kcontrol to set those of your user to the same as root's ;) |
| 09:46.55 | amro | apokryphos: mouseover etc look better |
| 09:47.06 | amro | logixoul: I guessed, but I can't find the setting |
| 09:47.07 | apokryphos | amro: yes, that's controlled in kcontrol |
| 09:47.10 | apokryphos | it's part of the style |
| 09:47.18 | amro | I maxed out eyecandy in kpersonlizer, shouldn't that do the trick? |
| 09:47.23 | apokryphos | no ;) |
| 09:47.25 | logixoul | amro: probably KControl->Appearance->Style->Configure is what you need |
| 09:47.32 | logixoul | forget kpersonalizer ;) |
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| 09:47.59 | Yarcanox | hi. I would like to play midi files, but KMid doesn't work |
| 09:48.08 | logixoul | "doesn't work"? |
| 09:48.19 | amro | I've already looked there, nothing |
| 09:48.20 | Yarcanox | it uses Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 - ALSA device |
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| 09:48.31 | Yarcanox | I just can't here anything |
| 09:48.36 | logixoul | amro: which widgetstyle is that |
| 09:48.42 | amro | Plastik |
| 09:48.42 | Yarcanox | my sound system is alsa, the other media players use it and everything works fine |
| 09:48.50 | Yarcanox | but KMid is just silent |
| 09:48.56 | amro | It's used under root as well |
| 09:49.02 | logixoul | amro: perhaps your root user is using a Plastik-knockoff theme like lipstik or polyester |
| 09:49.04 | logixoul | ah |
| 09:49.07 | logixoul | hmm |
| 09:49.08 | linus1 | wine |
| 09:49.34 | Yarcanox | *jsut can't hear |
| 09:49.40 | amro | logixoul: I can tell it's the same, just there are more/better looking animations. want a screenshot? |
| 09:49.41 | linus1 | i am new to this |
| 09:49.46 | logixoul | amro: sure |
| 09:50.10 | apokryphos | amro: and it does seem to have been a change in 3.4.1 actually ;) |
| 09:50.26 | logixoul | amro: also, verify that the 2 accounts are using the same colorscheme |
| 09:51.20 | apokryphos | hah, it's funny seeing the dot story with the outrage when that got originally changed |
| 09:51.33 | logixoul | apokryphos: are you sure you wanted to address amro not bluekb? :) |
| 09:51.35 | linus1 | anybody idea how to install IE on wine |
| 09:51.41 | apokryphos | 'KDE going worse!?' etc etc |
| 09:51.42 | logixoul | linus1: ask in #wine |
| 09:51.52 | apokryphos | * bluekb, indeed |
| 09:51.54 | linus1 | OK |
| 09:51.57 | Jucato | #winehq actually |
| 09:52.01 | logixoul | ah k |
| 09:52.22 | logixoul | apokryphos: link? |
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| 09:52.41 | linus1 | is it wine grp |
| 09:53.19 | apokryphos | http://dot.kde.org/1121719390/#1121916469 |
| 09:53.25 | logixoul | thx |
| 09:55.24 | linus1 | am i inside wine |
| 09:55.25 | logixoul | bluekb: btw, if what you want is to open kmenu with the win key, this is certainly possible with any version of KDE... |
| 09:55.39 | amro | logixoul: http://picasaweb.google.com/saziel/Stuff/photo#5073629509323318482 |
| 09:55.40 | linus1 | want to install IE in wine |
| 09:55.57 | logixoul | linus1: why aren't you in #winehq? |
| 09:56.10 | apokryphos | logixoul: the problem is that the win key is mapped properly by X, but kde doesn't see it. He wants it to work like a modifier, but it doesn't. |
| 09:56.24 | Yarcanox | linus1 type /join #winehq |
| 09:56.33 | Yarcanox | and after that /part #kde |
| 09:56.33 | logixoul | apokryphos: oh... |
| 09:56.46 | Jucato | linus1: 1) IE is not a KDE app (it's not even Linux). 2) Wine isn't a KDE app. 3) you'll get more answers in #winehq 4) Google 5) giving you a hint, Google for "ies4linux" |
| 09:57.05 | Yarcanox | just type /join #winehq and after that /part #kde to leave this chan |
| 09:57.07 | linus1 | OK |
| 09:57.43 | logixoul | amro: I don't see any screenshot in there... what browser should I be using? |
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| 09:58.08 | Jucato | logixoul: *not* Konqueror |
| 09:58.33 | amro | logixoul: yeah konqi doesn't show them :( |
| 09:58.34 | Yarcanox | linus1 as I see you are still not there :) clear the line you use to speak completely, and type /join #winehq and press enter |
| 09:58.55 | Jucato | Konqi never worked well with Picasa Albums |
| 09:59.03 | logixoul | amro: the bottom one is polyester not plastik... |
| 09:59.17 | bluekb | logixoul, no, I am trying to figure out what in my x or kde settings is making the win key act abnormally. |
| 09:59.56 | amro | logixoul: oh it must've been the mousewheel, missed it while going through the list... damn I feel stupid |
| 10:00.15 | bluekb | I should be able to do Win+KP_Home and go to desktop4 for example |
| 10:00.28 | bluekb | bit odd, actually. |
| 10:00.36 | logixoul | amro ;) |
| 10:00.43 | amro | logixoul: thanks |
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| 10:00.46 | logixoul | np |
| 10:00.58 | bluekb | I suppose I could throw out my kde config and start from scratch :P |
| 10:01.11 | bluekb | That'd be a bit much work. |
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| 10:01.55 | Yarcanox | hey linus1 :D |
| 10:02.09 | Yarcanox | you can't join #winehq because you have bee nforwarded to ##dont-login-as-root |
| 10:02.11 | Yarcanox | rofl |
| 10:02.44 | Jucato | heh |
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| 10:03.26 | Yarcanox | yep thats exactly the prob, I think |
| 10:03.29 | Yarcanox | the security holes of clients |
| 10:03.44 | Yarcanox | its far less dangerous if you dont have root rights as the client cant do anything bad |
| 10:03.51 | Yarcanox | like deleting system files etc |
| 10:03.55 | Mek | doing anything as root might potentially be a risk... so better only do as root what has to be done as root |
| 10:04.16 | amro | it's unlikely that you have to login as root long enough to chill on irc |
| 10:04.20 | Jucato | going online as root is a big risk |
| 10:04.33 | logixoul | Yarcanox: except that, if the computer is a desktop, deleting system files doesn't really matter, but deleting user files does ;) |
| 10:04.45 | Jucato | amro: seems that some people still do (logint as root on IRC) |
| 10:04.50 | Yarcanox | ok that's actually right an dpossible |
| 10:04.54 | Yarcanox | as I have access to them without root |
| 10:05.12 | Yarcanox | by the way |
| 10:05.16 | Yarcanox | anyone has an idea about KMid? |
| 10:05.50 | Yarcanox | [11:48:47] <Yarcanox> it uses Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 - ALSA device |
| 10:05.54 | Yarcanox | alsa works fine for all the other programs |
| 10:06.28 | bluekb | logixoul, guess why? Because people aren't meant to run their apps as an administrator. |
| 10:06.38 | Yarcanox | yep |
| 10:06.42 | Yarcanox | in windows everyone does |
| 10:06.52 | Yarcanox | even I did :p |
| 10:07.03 | bluekb | And FYI, there is no guarantee a client is free of security holes. Only that the white hats don't know of one and haven't yet published it. |
| 10:07.07 | logixoul | bluekb: yep, I know; the "meant" part is exactly the paranoic tradition I'm referring to. |
| 10:07.12 | linus1 | right now i am able to install the IE |
| 10:07.18 | logixoul | bluekb: ah... |
| 10:07.21 | linus1 | good help |
| 10:07.33 | Yarcanox | linus1 you need to leave the IRC |
| 10:07.33 | linus1 | it is yet installing |
| 10:07.46 | Yarcanox | logout and come as normal user back if you want to join #winehq |
| 10:07.52 | Yarcanox | does it work now? |
| 10:07.58 | linus1 | OK |
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| 10:08.10 | Yarcanox | linus1 you cant join #winehq because you are using IRC under root |
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| 10:08.31 | linus1 | still installing IE |
| 10:08.42 | Yarcanox | if anyone has an idea about KMid, tell me. Maybe I'm in the wrong chan for this topic? |
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| 10:09.04 | Yarcanox | I have some nice midis here and would love to hear them |
| 10:09.25 | Sho_ | logixoul: Going online as root potentially doesn't just have an impact on the owner/user of the computer, however, but also the rest of the net. It's simply irresponsible, IMO. |
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| 10:09.36 | logixoul | Yarcanox: look for relevant command line switches |
| 10:09.55 | Yarcanox | err and what are "relevant command line switches"? |
| 10:10.03 | bluekb | Yarcanox, well, you might double check your mixer to see that the midi volume is up, and that you HAVE a midi device. |
| 10:10.08 | Yarcanox | ah |
| 10:10.09 | Yarcanox | hm |
| 10:10.10 | Yarcanox | ok |
| 10:10.15 | Yarcanox | so Ill have to run the alsa mixer and check it |
| 10:11.40 | logixoul | Sho_: on the other hand, you can very well get infected with a virus and spread it _without_ using the root account. Just get infected from somewhere, and use it without installing system-wide. |
| 10:11.59 | logixoul | (some things only work that way, e.g. a lot of games) |
| 10:12.14 | logixoul | s/get infected/get infected software/ |
| 10:12.18 | Yarcanox | cant find anything with midi in its name in the alsamixer |
| 10:12.39 | Yarcanox | what is IEC958? |
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| 10:13.07 | Yarcanox | hm. at least I could try to run a simple midi player in wine |
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| 10:13.41 | logixoul | Sho_: I mean, if you don't use only packages blessed by, say, your distro, you can get infected. Then, you can spread the virus. And so, it doesn't matter anymore if you're using root. |
| 10:14.12 | linus1 | ya IE iw working guys |
| 10:14.24 | linus1 | But another issue is |
| 10:14.43 | linus1 | i installed IE for running outlook |
| 10:15.05 | linus1 | but outlook still ask for IE4.x or later |
| 10:15.31 | Sho_ | logixoul: It's not necessarily just about spreading a virus, though. The more interesting type of compromised system is one used in DDoS attacks, for example, and that's far easier to do with root privileges, because it makes it easier to hide what's going on from the user, and the root user isn't subject to a number of pragmatic limitations that well-configured distributions bestow upon users in how they may use the network. |
| 10:15.39 | icwiener__ | logixoul: With this argument you can abandon every security effort. But that's not how it works. The thing is to run a system as secure as possible. And on of the steps is to avoid running stuff as root. Especially internet clients. |
| 10:15.42 | Yarcanox | I think the guys in #winehq can give you better help linus1 |
| 10:15.55 | Yarcanox | but you need to quit your IRC program, and come back as non-root user to join the hcan |
| 10:16.01 | bluekb | apokryphos, it seems in kderc there's a setting "CommandAllKey=Meta" under [MouseBindings] heading; perhaps this is the culprit.. |
| 10:16.16 | linus1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.24 | linus1 | But another issue is |
| 10:16.29 | linus1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.35 | linus1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.41 | icwiener__ | not even listening... |
| 10:16.46 | Yarcanox | stop spamming linus1 |
| 10:16.49 | Yarcanox | [12:16:10] <Yarcanox> I think the guys in #winehq can give you better help linus1 |
| 10:16.52 | Yarcanox | [12:16:23] <Yarcanox> but you need to quit your IRC program, and come back as non-root user to join the hcan |
| 10:17.09 | linus1 | ok |
| 10:17.14 | padde | linus1: get a clue and delete your microsoft rubbish |
| 10:17.22 | linus1 | but how can i go to winhq |
| 10:17.32 | Yarcanox | [12:16:23] <Yarcanox> but you need to quit your IRC program, and come back as non-root user to join the hcan |
| 10:17.39 | Yarcanox | linus are you even able to read something? |
| 10:17.48 | Yarcanox | stop using root! |
| 10:17.49 | Yarcanox | thats all |
| 10:17.55 | Yarcanox | you can join #winehq then |
| 10:17.57 | linus1 | ok |
| 10:18.03 | logixoul | Sho_: Oh, okay then. I didn't realize root could launch a process (used for DDOS) that is not seen by users. Or that distros tend to limit user network traffic in any way. |
| 10:18.36 | icwiener__ | ping is one of them. I think the timeout thing can only be adjusted by root. :) |
| 10:18.58 | bluekb | kwinrc, that is |
| 10:19.37 | logixoul | icwiener__: ah. |
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| 10:20.33 | icwiener__ | (it's not the timeout though but the repeat time (dunno the name actually)) |
| 10:20.46 | bluekb | hmm. Nope |
| 10:21.28 | logixoul | icwiener__: does that mean that I can't help with DDOSing a site by clicking the refresh button in Konq like mad? :) |
| 10:21.39 | logixoul | I mean it's separate from ping |
| 10:22.01 | icwiener__ | logixoul: Not very efectivle. But depends on the site itself. ;) |
| 10:22.12 | logixoul | ok |
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| 10:23.07 | icwiener__ | logixoul: ping -f0 is it, I think. It's only usable as root and floods the opponent. ;) |
| 10:25.14 | logixoul | icwiener__: I'm trying it out on you now :) |
| 10:25.28 | logixoul | icwiener__: any effect? |
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| 10:27.06 | logixoul | hm... still alive? :p |
| 10:27.32 | icwiener__ | logixoul: No. Your connection is probably too slow. We once did it with 4 guys (one on a 100MBit SDSL and killed a connection (it was with the agreement of the victim). |
| 10:27.56 | logixoul | I see :) |
| 10:28.21 | Sho_ | Most distros probably disallow the use of raw sockets for non-root, too |
| 10:28.52 | Yarcanox | raw sockets arent normal tcp/ip sockets, are they? |
| 10:30.17 | Sho_ | raw sockets allow access to the packet headers, so they're somewhat lower-level |
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| 10:37.05 | Mek | I've heard stories of people changing their own dns servers to point to google when they are being ddos'ed, not quite the same but fun anyway |
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| 10:37.32 | logixoul | hmm :) |
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| 10:43.42 | sebbar_ | hi, is kopete going to have google talk support? |
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| 10:44.11 | Mek | does it not already have jabber support? |
| 10:44.51 | Jucato | sebbar_: it already has. through jabber |
| 10:45.22 | sebbar_ | Jucato: I see, tnx |
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| 10:49.10 | logixoul | sebbar_: as jucato said, gtalk support for text chat works perfectly, as the standard Jabber protocol is used. *However*, voice chat support (through the Jingle extension to Jabber) is not very good, and is not enabled by default (iirc) |
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| 10:53.58 | logixoul | Sho_: hey, remember that rendering bug in YaKuake I told you about? I now see it's there only for tabs opened by the dcop call yakuake DCOPInterface slotAddSession |
| 10:54.13 | logixoul | (which the "yakuake-F4" script utilizes) |
| 10:54.52 | Sho_ | logixoul: It happens when sessions are opened while the window is hidden, due to a bug in KRootPixmap |
| 10:55.05 | logixoul | yes, exactly. |
| 10:55.17 | logixoul | easy to fix? :) |
| 10:55.26 | Sho_ | logixoul: I've been able to work around that bug for Yakuake's own KRootPixmap instances (for the tab bar), but I have no control over the KPart's |
| 10:55.44 | logixoul | ah, ok. thanks. |
| 10:56.08 | Sho_ | logixoul: I can see if I find the time to fix it in kdelibs, but from Yakuake's end I can't do anything about it, it seems |
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| 11:04.30 | ttf_ | hi... I am using disconneted IMAP with kmail of 3.5.7 and would like to be subscribed to a folder but don't want that folder to be checked automatically for new mail but only if I access the folder and press F5. Could this possibly help me here http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=649622 ? or which would be the way to do it? |
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| 11:15.44 | Hohi | Hi, I have a "Knotes does not remember the screen positions after vncserver crashes"-problem. Is there someone listening who could give me an idea what to search for? |
| 11:16.36 | annma | position is stored in config rc file |
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| 11:17.26 | Hohi | and when is it saved or how to I force a save? |
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| 11:18.01 | sebbar_ | hmm so with the jabber account on kopete I just use the username/password of gmail right? It doesn't seem to connect |
| 11:18.01 | logixoul | Hohi: it's normally saved only when knotes is closed |
| 11:18.18 | logixoul | sebbar_: search for google talk at wiki.kde.org |
| 11:18.25 | logixoul | sebbar_: there's a page with instructions |
| 11:18.33 | sebbar_ | ah ok |
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| 11:19.25 | Hohi | well in this case it is a tightvncserver which runs only knotes to allow people to shift around the notes (todo - work in progress - done) |
| 11:20.05 | Hohi | the only problem is: as soon as the server crashes (for what ever reason e.g. machine shutdown) the notes are all shuffled around ... |
| 11:20.23 | annma | the server should not crash ;) |
| 11:20.25 | Hohi | not good when the screen position is part of the information ... |
| 11:20.28 | logixoul | that's because KNotes isn't given the chance to save the note positions |
| 11:20.47 | logixoul | look for a "save config now" dcop call for knotes |
| 11:21.05 | logixoul | and tell whoever shuts down the vncserver to execute that call first |
| 11:21.05 | Hohi | I'll try that thnx ... |
| 11:21.07 | annma | ans call it regularly |
| 11:21.10 | logixoul | np |
| 11:21.12 | annma | ans/and |
| 11:21.20 | Sho_ | logixoul: Of course it could watch for move events and combine periodic auto-save with flushing the positions out to disk |
| 11:21.47 | Hohi | the content of the note is preserved btw ... seems like someone forgot to save the size/position as well ... |
| 11:22.26 | logixoul | Sho_: well, yes... would be nice if someone did it. |
| 11:22.49 | Sho_ | logixoul: gogogo ;) |
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| 11:23.06 | logixoul | I don't even use knotes :p |
| 11:23.08 | logixoul | basket ftw |
| 11:23.34 | Jucato | sebbar_: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support |
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| 11:24.48 | logixoul | that reminds me... Hohi, you could just use BasKet Note Pads instead of knotes. it does save the positions and sizes automatically. |
| 11:24.57 | logixoul | it's a whole different interaction model tho |
| 11:25.05 | logixoul | a nicer one :) easy to grasp |
| 11:25.31 | Hohi | I'll have a look at it |
| 11:25.33 | Thundercloud | BasKet is ace |
| 11:25.41 | Thundercloud | So easy to use |
| 11:26.19 | Thundercloud | Sho_: It can do with improvements in places |
| 11:26.23 | Thundercloud | But it's generally really easy to use |
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| 11:27.32 | Sho_ | Instead of having a blank canvas on which different types of note objects are placed, IMO the canvas itself should be the common case note object - a text document - that allows placing all those other object times in it, either in the text flow or as floating objects. That would make it a lot less fiddly to use. |
| 11:27.55 | logixoul | Sho_: incidently, that's *exactly* what's planned for 2.0 :) |
| 11:28.16 | annma | wow cool I already got an improvement for my frame applet |
| 11:28.18 | Sho_ | The KOffice2 libraries with the Flake system would really be quite ideal to make a good note-taker, me thinks. |
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| 11:28.38 | logixoul | yep |
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| 11:32.22 | Hohi | logixoul: I just installed basket ... first impression: I need more time to get a clue ;-) I give it a try ... |
| 11:32.44 | annma | yes, same for me |
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| 11:33.06 | annma | itts weird, some people just love it instantanously and others don't have a clue |
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| 11:34.52 | Hohi | well I need something "keep it simple stupid" |
| 11:36.49 | Hohi | knotes does that (and has the nifty "send" feature) |
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| 11:36.50 | Hohi | I have to find out how to strip down basket |
| 11:36.50 | Sho_ | Hohi: Funny, the developers have the same problem |
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| 11:36.51 | Hohi | lol, the gnome developer? |
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| 11:38.43 | logixoul | Sho_: have you read http://basket.kde.org/version2.php ? |
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| 11:40.22 | Sho_ | logixoul: No |
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| 11:43.49 | Sho_ | logixoul: But it seems that the author(s) of that document will not be responsible for implementing it |
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| 11:44.17 | logixoul | yes... |
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| 11:46.36 | Sho_ | logixoul: Also, I'm not convinced that continuing to try and do mind mapping and note-taking within the same app is a good idea interface-wise. It's not what I need personally, anyway - I want a decent rich text note-taker with easy to use Wiki-like cross-linking facilities and good search. |
| 11:47.29 | logixoul | good point |
| 11:47.56 | logixoul | the best concept there is the first mockup - the one with no separate notes |
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| 11:51.25 | Sho_ | logixoul: I've yet to find a note-taker where I can write some text, select part of it, right-click and click "Create Note From" or somesuch to automatically create a new note that the old one links to by the selected text ... |
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| 11:51.29 | logixoul | aha |
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| 11:54.56 | donvinzk | hi, is there a place where I could set my session never to be saved ? |
| 11:55.10 | Sho_ | KControl -> KDE Components -> Session Manager |
| 11:55.28 | Hohi | I had a look at basket ... too complicated for what I want to use it for (they will never grasp the grouping concept) |
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| 11:56.19 | donvinzk | thks |
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| 11:58.28 | Hohi | I could not find anything hinting for saving in kdcop ... would knotes be the right place? Screen positions are managed by something else aren't they? |
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| 12:00.38 | logixoul | hmm, yes, by kwin, but if the vncserver crashes, then kwin isn't given the chance to save anything either. |
| 12:00.59 | Sho_ | Hohi: No, KNotes saves and restores the note positions itself. |
| 12:01.10 | Sho_ | Hohi: The data is in ~/.kde/share/apps/knotes |
| 12:01.20 | logixoul | oh right. |
| 12:01.32 | Hohi | logixoul: that wouldn't be a problem a 5-minute cron job would be sufficient |
| 12:01.40 | Sho_ | logixoul: I don't see why a VNC server crashing would impact kwin in any way |
| 12:02.07 | Hohi | Sho_: do you know how to force knotes to save (without calling quit() ) |
| 12:03.09 | logixoul | Sho_: it wouldn't, you're right. I just read what a vnc server is... at first I was thinking it was more like vmware where all windows and the wm is in one big window... |
| 12:03.57 | logixoul | Hohi: how about calling quit() then relaunching immediately? |
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| 12:06.01 | Hohi | logixoul: takes too long ... |
| 12:06.09 | Sho_ | Hohi: Not having a good idea I'm afraid - the DCOP interface doesn't seem helpful |
| 12:06.52 | Hohi | The thing is a debian running in a vserver and having only the vncserver as application btw ... |
| 12:07.30 | Hohi | thats the reason why the thing could crash ... when somebody outside the vmware desides to shut down the virtual machine .... |
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| 12:08.03 | Hohi | init simply starts killing Xtightvnc and knotes does not behave (*grmbl*) |
| 12:08.18 | Sho_ | It's not about the VNC server, but about the X server, notably. |
| 12:08.39 | Hohi | thats true ... |
| 12:09.35 | Hohi | I am happy to call quit() when something goes down ... |
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| 12:10.11 | Sho_ | Hohi: Are you using some sort of container window in which a KDE sessions runs, or are you specifically letting KNotes run on the X server and on the client each note is an individual window? |
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| 12:12.05 | logixoul | Hohi: I guess you can make the quitting & relaunching almost imperceptible like so: 1. launch with --nofork option; 2. loop until dcop confirms the new instance is loaded; 3. quit old one. |
| 12:12.08 | Hohi | Sho_: my xstartup looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/i43KW820.html |
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| 12:13.45 | Hohi | x-window-manager is symlinked to kwin btw .... |
| 12:14.38 | OlliK | ok |
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| 12:27.15 | Hohi | have to leave, cya |
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