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| 00:10.27 | _CC_ | "Workspace on a cube"....does it moves to the face of cube directly above the current face....or only to side faces |
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| 00:24.00 | bluekb | I am wondering how to define aliases for the "Run Command" window. (usually the window is brought up with an Alt-F2) |
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| 00:26.03 | amine | hey, how can i get beryl to start by default instead of kwin |
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| 00:41.39 | bluekb | amine: most window managers have a --replace option. use --help to see if beryl does. |
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| 00:41.57 | roho | how do i disable pointer flips? |
| 00:42.00 | roho | is that possible even? |
| 00:42.27 | bluekb | what is a "pointer flip"? |
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| 00:47.11 | roho | bluekb: when you move the pointer to the edge, the screen flips |
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| 00:49.23 | bluekb | roho: you're running kwin, right? |
| 00:49.36 | roho | yes |
| 00:49.45 | roho | er |
| 00:49.48 | roho | beryl with kde |
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| 00:51.28 | bluekb | With my setup, I'd run kcontrol -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Advanced (tab) -> Active Desktop Borders: -> Disabled |
| 00:52.10 | bluekb | I am not sure if that will work with beryl, though. |
| 00:52.14 | roho | i figured it out |
| 00:52.17 | roho | but thanks :) |
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| 01:05.44 | roho | was kweather ever fixed? |
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| 01:41.32 | Shirakawasuna | kweather's broken? |
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| 01:43.57 | roho | i was before i upgraded kde |
| 01:44.20 | roho | Shirakawasuna: hey, i know you. |
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| 01:48.09 | Shirakawasuna | really? |
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| 02:12.19 | Chani | ah bugger. konsole4 isn't passing stuff properly through ssh. alt+number doesn't work |
| 02:12.42 | Chani | I crashed plasma again too :) |
| 02:13.35 | Chani | oh. krunner still only works once ever. darn |
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| 02:16.45 | Chani | weird. every time I launch a program from the k menu, it seems some other random program is launched too |
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| 02:32.19 | CPrgmSwR2 | Chani: Yeah kde4 for some reason does that |
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| 02:32.50 | Jucato | and that reason is "alpha" :) |
| 02:32.51 | Chani | hrm. |
| 02:33.00 | Jucato | krunner plays hide and seek with me a lot |
| 02:33.04 | Chani | big problem: scim ain't getting run in kde4 |
| 02:33.14 | Chani | makes it kinda hard to test input methods |
| 02:33.37 | CPrgmSwR2 | Chani: Are you doing development or just checking out kde4? |
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| 02:35.09 | rO_ot | hi |
| 02:35.13 | root | hi |
| 02:35.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | hi |
| 02:35.25 | root | hi all |
| 02:35.33 | rO_ot | does KDE have something like to view another computer X with KDE on a windows? |
| 02:35.40 | rO_ot | *winwdow |
| 02:35.48 | rO_ot | and control it from there? |
| 02:35.55 | root | kos om microsoft |
| 02:36.01 | wolsni | rO_ot: you mean like desktop sharing? yes |
| 02:36.09 | CPrgmSwR2 | yeah desktop sharing |
| 02:36.19 | wolsni | krdc configures the server, krfb is the client |
| 02:36.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | wolsni: I put kollagame in playground |
| 02:36.26 | rO_ot | wolsni: i don' t know exaxtly. This is the scenario I wanna ... |
| 02:36.28 | rO_ot | oh |
| 02:36.35 | wolsni | but you can use any VNC client |
| 02:36.40 | rO_ot | so with krfb I will see the other computer on a windows? |
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| 02:36.47 | rO_ot | why is VNC better? |
| 02:36.58 | CPrgmSwR2 | wow 578kb/s |
| 02:37.07 | jachesco | hi |
| 02:37.07 | wolsni | VNC is a desktop sharing protocol |
| 02:37.20 | rO_ot | and krfb is not? |
| 02:37.37 | rO_ot | ok it comes down to this: which one is better? |
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| 02:38.05 | jachesco | can anybody help me with a rpm problem??? |
| 02:38.05 | wolsni | krfb is one application that implements the vnc protocol |
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| 02:38.25 | wolsni | like firefox is one application that implements HTML viewing |
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| 02:38.43 | wolsni | jachesco: that's a bit off topic here, but maybe i can help |
| 02:39.04 | rO_ot | ok thanks |
| 02:39.17 | jachesco | thankx wolsni, i know is quite off, but i havent find the solution searching for hours at forums |
| 02:39.19 | rO_ot | jachesco: try channel #rpm as well |
| 02:39.28 | jachesco | oups |
| 02:39.28 | Chani | CPrgmSwR2: well, I'm not currently doing developmetn on kde4 - I was hoping to, but I dunno if it'll happen. right now I'm just trying to test stuff |
| 02:39.32 | jachesco | there is such chanel?? |
| 02:39.37 | Chani | argh. frigging random disconnects |
| 02:39.50 | jachesco | thankx |
| 02:39.53 | Jucato | jachesco: best to go to your distro's channel |
| 02:40.17 | jachesco | how can i see the list of chanels?? |
| 02:40.24 | jachesco | first time using Ksric |
| 02:40.25 | rO_ot | jachesco: and your distros Costumer Service |
| 02:40.34 | wolsni | jachesco: /list |
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| 02:40.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | Chani: you don't develope kde4 within kde4 |
| 02:41.17 | CPrgmSwR2 | Chani: It took my a good month just before I could even develop for kde4 |
| 02:41.19 | wolsni | in konversation it does |
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| 02:42.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | Chani: would you like some help |
| 02:42.18 | Jucato | wolsni: yeah.. silly ksirc :) |
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| 02:43.17 | wolsni | actually the only IRC clients i've used for more than a few minutes are konversation and kopete |
| 02:44.05 | rO_ot | I couldn't stand kde's irc client |
| 02:44.06 | rO_ot | sorry |
| 02:44.26 | rO_ot | I don't mean to bash KDE and so, but is not user friendly like irssi |
| 02:44.37 | Jucato | which KDE IRC client? |
| 02:44.53 | rO_ot | Konversation |
| 02:45.13 | Jucato | irssi... user friendly... that's new :) |
| 02:45.22 | wolsni | rO_ot: there are at least three of theme |
| 02:45.23 | wolsni | *them |
| 02:45.42 | Chani | CPrgmSwR2: my problem right now is that I can't get scim to work in kde4. thomasz wanted me to test some input method stuff for koffice |
| 02:46.15 | rO_ot | Jucato: it IS user friendly, just use it for a while then try Konversation. You'll feel the royal pain in ... that I am talking about |
| 02:46.25 | CPrgmSwR2 | Oh... |
| 02:46.32 | CPrgmSwR2 | Chani: That I will not beable to help with |
| 02:46.40 | Jucato | rO_ot: I know how to use irssi... if you've read what I said, I use irssi in CLI |
| 02:46.50 | rO_ot | ah sorry |
| 02:46.52 | Chani | as for development.. I just have no desire to hack on kopete these days. maybe during my vacation I might see about making my little pyqt thing use kde stuff though |
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| 02:47.18 | wolsni | the only problem i've had with konversation is that it doesn't wait until it's authenticated with NickServ to join channels |
| 02:47.27 | rO_ot | how many corporate sponsors does KDE have? |
| 02:47.59 | rO_ot | just axing |
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| 02:50.27 | viridari | rO_ot: http://kde.org/support/thanks.php |
| 02:50.38 | rO_ot | viridari: k |
| 02:50.54 | DaSkreech | wolsni: why's that an issue? |
| 02:51.08 | rO_ot | ctrl+u in Konqueror is lovable |
| 02:51.22 | wolsni | some channels kick you out if you're not authenticated |
| 02:51.35 | wolsni | like #fedora |
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| 02:52.26 | Jucato | wolsni: I think there's a workaround for that. I just forgot. you could ask in #konversation... |
| 02:52.37 | rO_ot | how stingy Bee GmbH "Kindly donated 128 MBytes of RAM as well as a 4 GB hard disk" |
| 02:52.58 | rO_ot | and suse |
| 02:53.18 | DaSkreech | What's ctrl+u do? |
| 02:53.23 | wolsni | rO_ot: ?? what did you donate? |
| 02:53.26 | rO_ot | lol this is funny. Go to #suse and say $u$e, you'll get automatically kicked out |
| 02:53.43 | rO_ot | wolsni: I donate by using KDE |
| 02:54.00 | rO_ot | DaSkreech: ctrl-u clreas the URL bar |
| 02:54.27 | wolsni | in my konqueror ctrl-u shows the page source |
| 02:54.28 | rO_ot | so if you have a long url instead of backspacing or deleting or double clicking just do ctrl-u |
| 02:54.49 | rO_ot | well if you have the cursor in the url box |
| 02:54.56 | DaSkreech | ah |
| 02:55.01 | DaSkreech | I just ctrl+O |
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| 02:56.13 | rO_ot | 'cause is good for this. You wanna paste a link or something that you highlitghed with the kursor, do this ctrl-u and shift-cntrl-insert |
| 02:56.18 | rO_ot | is wonderful |
| 02:56.28 | rO_ot | does ctrl-0 clear the url as well? |
| 02:56.46 | krushia | is there a way to make konqueror create relative symlinks instead of absolute ones? here's a description of what i'm talking about: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-564101.html |
| 02:56.49 | rO_ot | ctrl-0 doesn't work |
| 02:57.10 | wolsni | rO_ot: it's the letter O, pops up an Open dialog |
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| 03:01.09 | rO_ot | ok do I need a crossover cable to use Krfb? |
| 03:01.13 | rO_ot | or regular one? |
| 03:02.24 | wolsni | rO_ot: it's a regular IP based protocol, no special hardware required |
| 03:02.41 | rO_ot | thanks |
| 03:02.59 | rO_ot | wolsi by the way does Beryl and kiba-dock work with it? |
| 03:03.17 | wolsni | well, it should just forward your desktop no matter what |
| 03:03.28 | wolsni | but the more stuff moves the slower it will be |
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| 03:05.23 | wolsni | btw, i think I mixed them up; krfb is the server config and krdc is the client (KDE Remote Desktop Client) |
| 03:05.50 | rO_ot | wolsni: I've got a plethora of installations and I am tired of switching cables and monitor constantly |
| 03:06.01 | rO_ot | I wanna control ALL isntallations through a single computer |
| 03:06.54 | xororand | is the kdevelop designer already usable for kde4 development? |
| 03:07.08 | xororand | or kdevelop in general |
| 03:07.29 | Jucato | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#KDevelop |
| 03:07.51 | Jucato | you will still have to use kdevelop 3 |
| 03:07.53 | xororand | thanks |
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| 03:09.04 | coreymon77 | hi everyone |
| 03:11.20 | coreymon77 | hello? |
| 03:11.25 | xororand | hello |
| 03:11.31 | coreymon77 | hi |
| 03:11.55 | coreymon77 | people dont believe me when i say that kde4 will work natively on a mac |
| 03:12.00 | coreymon77 | im right arent it |
| 03:12.02 | coreymon77 | i* |
| 03:12.06 | canllaith | Yes. |
| 03:12.07 | coreymon77 | becasue of the switch to qt4 |
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| 03:12.36 | coreymon77 | canllaith: what about in windows? |
| 03:13.08 | wolsni | coreymon77: some KDE applications will be ported to Windows and Mac OS X, not everything |
| 03:13.26 | coreymon77 | im not necessarily talking about the apps |
| 03:13.27 | wolsni | for example, it doesn't really make sense to port kwin |
| 03:13.41 | coreymon77 | im talking about kde itself |
| 03:13.42 | Jucato | because there's a big difference between saying that KDE 4 itself will run on Windows and saying that some KDE 4 apps can be made to run on Windows, with a lot of porting |
| 03:13.48 | coreymon77 | as in, using kde instead of explorer |
| 03:13.56 | DaSkreech | or finder |
| 03:14.03 | coreymon77 | would that work? |
| 03:14.26 | wolsni | coreymon77: don't count on replacing the windows taskbar, but Konqueror could conceivably be available |
| 03:14.44 | coreymon77 | wolsni: isnt it dolphin now/. |
| 03:14.45 | coreymon77 | ? |
| 03:14.51 | wolsni | coreymon77: that too |
| 03:15.09 | wolsni | konqueror's not going away, from what I've heard |
| 03:15.11 | Jucato | explorer is heavily integrated into Windows. more than just the file manager, it also handles drawing the desktop (like Nautilus) |
| 03:15.13 | coreymon77 | ya i know |
| 03:15.24 | canllaith | coreymon77: Windows is unliekly |
| 03:15.28 | canllaith | unlikely** |
| 03:15.35 | coreymon77 | but konqueror is now gonna be more of a web browser and less of a "do everything super machine" type program |
| 03:16.06 | coreymon77 | canllaith: okay, but the next computer im gonna get will be a mac |
| 03:16.08 | Jucato | it's still going to be the same in KDE 4.0. only that it will be presented more as the default web browser |
| 03:16.18 | Jucato | what happens next, only time can tell |
| 03:16.23 | wolsni | coreymon77: nah, konqueror will continue to konquer all types of browsing, but dolphin will be the default filebrowser |
| 03:16.25 | canllaith | It requires someone to actually do the porting ..... |
| 03:16.29 | coreymon77 | canllaith: would i be able to use kde lets say instead of finder? |
| 03:16.39 | canllaith | coreymon77: You already could if you ran it under X11 |
| 03:16.44 | coreymon77 | i know |
| 03:16.55 | coreymon77 | using fink |
| 03:17.04 | coreymon77 | im talking about without using x11 |
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| 03:17.25 | coreymon77 | because that way, it still feels as if its just emulating linux |
| 03:17.54 | Jucato | fink doesn't really just make Linux apps automagically work on OS X. there's still some porting involved, like what would happen on Windows |
| 03:18.15 | canllaith | Jucato: .... actually it does |
| 03:18.19 | canllaith | Kinda. |
| 03:18.23 | coreymon77 | ive been told that because of the qt4 switch it would be made to be more of a mac style DE |
| 03:18.25 | Jucato | Fink is a project that wants to bring the full world of Unix Open Source software to Darwin and Mac OS X. As a result, we have two main goals. First, to modify existing Open Source software so that it will compile and run on Mac OS X. (This process is called porting.) Second, to make the results available to casual users as a coherent, comfortable distribution that matches what Linux users are used to. (This process is called packaging.) The project |
| 03:18.25 | Jucato | offers precompiled binary packages as well as a fully automated build-from-source system. |
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| 03:18.33 | Jucato | oops sorry... didn't know it would go 2 lines :) |
| 03:18.38 | Jucato | that's from the website |
| 03:18.39 | canllaith | Jucato: A lot of UNIX source code already runs on OSX unmodified. |
| 03:18.54 | Jucato | but in this case, not all of KDE I believe |
| 03:18.58 | checkers | hi, I'm trying to report a crash with kpowersave, but the bug report utility on bugs.kde.org doesn't seem to list it. Any ideas? |
| 03:19.12 | DaSkreech | canllaith: OSX IS UNIX |
| 03:19.14 | coreymon77 | Jucato: at its base, fink is realy using dpkg to install debs on macos |
| 03:19.17 | DaSkreech | crap |
| 03:19.20 | canllaith | DaSkreech: No, it is not. |
| 03:19.27 | canllaith | Darwin is UNIX. |
| 03:19.36 | coreymon77 | ya |
| 03:19.37 | DaSkreech | sorry didn't meant that it's just a lot of things in that sentence are caps already |
| 03:19.49 | canllaith | Jucato: Most of KDE actually is pretty good for use on mac because it's already written to work well on other BSDs |
| 03:19.55 | DaSkreech | canllaith: It's all unix underneath |
| 03:19.57 | canllaith | Writing cross platform code takes work, it doesn't Just Happen. |
| 03:20.01 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.19 | coreymon77 | so once kde 4 comes out, would i be able to choose whether i wanted to use darwin or kde |
| 03:20.31 | coreymon77 | without using x11 |
| 03:20.35 | canllaith | Possibly. |
| 03:20.49 | coreymon77 | and if not, id just use x11 right? |
| 03:20.55 | Jucato | canllaith: that's what I was trying to tell coreymon77. KDE 4 doesn't automatically mean that KDE will be cross platform without an amount of porting, either on the KDE apps end or on the fink-like end |
| 03:21.12 | Jucato | it's not a code once, compile/run anywhere thing... |
| 03:21.25 | canllaith | No, but KDE already builds on BSD. |
| 03:21.26 | Jucato | (if only it were that easy though....) |
| 03:21.42 | canllaith | anyway, back to wokr |
| 03:22.02 | Jucato | KDE is a *nix desktop. and yes, it's more likey to run better on Mac than on Windows :) |
| 03:22.08 | Jucato | s/it's/KDE 4 is/ |
| 03:23.41 | Jucato | checkers: might be better to try reporting in your distro's bug tracker |
| 03:24.09 | checkers | i'm on fedora, I'll check it out |
| 03:24.19 | DaSkreech | Jucato: Since there are basically two desktops that's comforting :) |
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| 03:31.38 | krushia | is there a way to make konqueror create relative symlinks instead of absolute ones? here's a description of what i'm talking about: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-564101.html |
| 03:35.02 | Jucato | krushia: just wondering... is there a difference? maybe a performance advantage, between the two? |
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| 03:36.11 | rohanpm | Jucato: one nice difference would be the ability to "mv" a subtree and still have all the symlinks work |
| 03:37.50 | krushia | the problem i have is i'm trying to make links on a locally mounted remote filesystem, and the links konqueror makes are absolute references to my local mountpoint... which the server and every other client doesn't understand |
| 03:38.51 | Jucato | oh... hm... no idea then.. :( |
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| 03:43.36 | krushia | for example, i mount a remote sftp share on /mnt/cyrix/ and make a symlink of the file test.txt there. konqueror sets the symlink path to "/mnt/cyrix/test.txt" instead of "test.txt" or "./test.txt" |
| 03:44.49 | wolsni | krushia: well, it occurs to me that it'd be kind of ambiguous as to how many levels up the relative path should go |
| 03:45.08 | wolsni | ie ./test.txt vs ../cyrix/test.txt |
| 03:45.21 | Chani | wolsni: as fwe as possible? |
| 03:45.30 | krushia | it's easy to figure it out, just go down as many levels as needed |
| 03:45.36 | krushia | chani: exactly |
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| 03:51.44 | krushia | what would be even easier is to make it use hardlinks |
| 03:52.46 | krushia | but i'm guessing from the lack of response that it's not user configurable? |
| 03:53.14 | wolsni | krushia: have you googled? it may be one of those hidden config things |
| 03:53.39 | krushia | yeah, googled and found lots of people asking the same question but no answers |
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| 03:54.41 | wolsni | then i guess no one knows, you might have better luck at a different time of day |
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| 03:58.05 | krushia | i wonder if krusader can do this (relative symlinks or hardlinks)? |
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| 04:00.32 | SAS_Spidey01 | Is there any way to make Konqueror execute a script before it terminates ? |
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| 04:06.05 | MikeSmith | wondering what would be a good way to type macrons in a KDE environment |
| 04:06.11 | roho | is it possible to redirect server output to the active window? |
| 04:06.20 | MikeSmith | for example, in words like rōmaji |
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| 04:07.04 | MikeSmith | macron over the "o" -- ō -- to indicate it's a long vowel |
| 04:07.22 | MikeSmith | very handy for transliterating Japanese (for one) into roman alphabet |
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| 04:16.01 | SAS_Spidey01 | MikeSmith, probably an issue for X11 |
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| 04:17.02 | metbsd | how do i change resolution in kde |
| 04:17.22 | wolsni | metbsd: krandrtray |
| 04:17.24 | SAS_Spidey01 | metbsd, right click desktop->configure desktop->display |
| 04:19.01 | metbsd | weird thing, i only have 640x480 |
| 04:19.57 | Chani | MikeSmith: if you find out, tell me. I'd love to be able to type pinyin with tones properly |
| 04:20.09 | Chani | wish scim could do that as well as chinese characters |
| 04:21.09 | Chani | krushia: why not file a wish? http://bugs.kde.org |
| 04:22.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | metbsd, is X11 set up correctly ? |
| 04:22.34 | metbsd | i used X -configure to make conf file |
| 04:24.13 | SAS_Spidey01 | KDE's stuff for changing the screen resolution is dependent on the x11 config file for the available settings afaik |
| 04:24.27 | MikeSmith | Chani - |
| 04:24.31 | MikeSmith | I find this: |
| 04:24.32 | MikeSmith | http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000044 |
| 04:24.54 | MikeSmith | says something about a "U.S. English w/deadkeys" keyboard |
| 04:25.06 | metbsd | ok |
| 04:25.07 | MikeSmith | but I don't find one listed in my KDE ... |
| 04:28.36 | metbsd | maybe someone can help me with sound problem i have |
| 04:29.08 | metbsd | when i start noatun, it says |
| 04:29.34 | metbsd | unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/ksocket-necro/.-0875... |
| 04:30.44 | metbsd | what yu guys think |
| 04:30.53 | metbsd | easy to fix? |
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| 04:33.40 | SAS_Spidey01 | Does it only do it with noatun or all multimedia apps? |
| 04:34.42 | krushia | Chani: it's already in the bug.wish list |
| 04:35.13 | metbsd | all multi apps, but xmms works |
| 04:35.49 | SAS_Spidey01 | Tried any other non KDE ones besides xmms? |
| 04:36.06 | metbsd | no |
| 04:36.33 | metbsd | mplayer works too |
| 04:36.38 | metbsd | xine works |
| 04:36.45 | metbsd | only kde apps don't |
| 04:36.47 | krushia | Chani: well, not really... i guess i should make a new requesst for "automatically dereference symlinks using a smart approach" |
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| 04:38.00 | krushia | Chani: but the ability to at least edit symlinks has been reported countless times over the last 8 years. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22540 |
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| 04:40.20 | roho | i know you can hide toolbars and such, but can you hide the statusbar in konqueror? |
| 04:40.53 | metbsd | http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/8023/Misc-sound-problems.html this one looks similar to my problem |
| 04:40.58 | metbsd | but no solution.. |
| 04:43.23 | krushia | metbsd: maybe the kde apps are setup to use arts and the other apps use alsa? |
| 04:43.35 | metbsd | how do i fix this |
| 04:44.14 | krushia | metbsd: no idea. i use mplayer and amarok, i stay far away from that noatun crud |
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| 04:46.57 | metbsd | ok let me try amarok |
| 04:47.00 | metbsd | compiling |
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| 04:47.52 | stylish | anyone here know why after i log out of my kde session kdmtheme still has my user name in login field ? |
| 04:48.48 | stylish | does anyone here have that |
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| 04:50.14 | kdepepo | configurable |
| 04:50.21 | krushia | metbsd: amarok uses xine as a backend, which should work out of the box (if not maake sure it's set to use alsa). i have no idea what noatun uses, there's nothing in the config screen. i have a feeling it's using arts - and arts is troublesome |
| 04:50.27 | hodges | hello, how do I mount an ISO image? |
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| 04:52.36 | metbsd | when i config network, it says my platform is not supported, what should i do |
| 04:52.51 | krushia | hodges: hang on it's on my cheatsheet somewhere |
| 04:54.08 | krushia | mount a DVD image: |
| 04:54.08 | krushia | mount -o loop -t iso9660 /home/krushia/Documents/k3b_image.img /home/krushia/Suse_DVD |
| 04:54.09 | metbsd | when i do network setting, it say splatform not supported |
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| 04:55.36 | straw | hodges: there's also http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountISO?content=11577 |
| 04:56.49 | krushia | hodges: that is the same as a cd image... the last two arguments are what you need to change - your image file location and then the empty directory to mount it in |
| 04:57.13 | krushia | hodges: or use the cheater app straw linked to |
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| 04:57.48 | krushia | hodges: but why download more stuff when you don't need to :P |
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| 04:59.25 | straw | yes. better to dig around for a cheat sheet, become root, type a long command... :P |
| 05:00.44 | krushia | straw: all i have to do is "cat console-notes.txt | grep "mount"" to get the answer |
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| 05:01.10 | krushia | everytime i figure out a fancy new command i add it to the text file |
| 05:01.36 | krushia | saves some room in my brain |
| 05:03.25 | straw | well, the service menu script does a number of cool things i thought would be useful |
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| 05:04.25 | krushia | yeah, i'll probably check it out :P |
| 05:05.05 | kdepepo | where can I download console-notes.txt |
| 05:05.14 | straw | heheh |
| 05:05.37 | straw | kdepepo wants your cheat sheet, krushia |
| 05:05.41 | krushia | actually i caan clean it up and host it somewhere tomorrow |
| 05:06.11 | krushia | it's got some personal stuff in it so i can't send it to strangers right now |
| 05:06.25 | hodges | hrm...sc crashed and left my screen funkified, small resolution...how do I enlarge it? |
| 05:06.33 | kdepepo | google found: audacious-0.2.2/Plugins/Input/console/notes.txt |
| 05:06.37 | kdepepo | ;) |
| 05:06.44 | krushia | ... like ssh/samba/telnet/etc commands with passwords :p |
| 05:08.08 | kdepepo | would be nice to get new ideas for passwords, too ;) |
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| 05:08.19 | krushia | lol |
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| 05:09.34 | krushia | i also keep a huge text file with my bash history (history >> history.txt) |
| 05:10.14 | kdepepo | ehm, its kept in .bash_history |
| 05:10.39 | krushia | that file is almost 100 meg :) |
| 05:10.45 | kdepepo | oh |
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| 05:11.20 | krushia | i don't think i want .bash_history getting that huge |
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| 05:12.01 | krushia | plus i put histories from many different users in it |
| 05:12.33 | straw | is that compressed? |
| 05:12.35 | krushia | it's fun to grep. yet another reference source for when i forget things |
| 05:12.52 | krushia | no |
| 05:13.39 | krushia | well it doesn't have repeating commands though... |
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| 05:14.20 | geo-axis | people |
| 05:14.28 | geo-axis | some how i have enabled sticky keys |
| 05:14.37 | geo-axis | my shift key gets stuck |
| 05:14.48 | geo-axis | and its really annoying |
| 05:15.15 | krushia | open the control center and make it die |
| 05:15.17 | DaSkreech | krushia:sort -u history.txt |
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| 05:16.21 | geo-axis | krushia: cant find an option |
| 05:16.47 | krushia | geo-axis: just disable the accessability service |
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| 05:19.10 | krushia | DaSkreech: that's a cute way of doing it, but i have a special script i wrote that checks repetitions of multiple lines and purges only the larger chunks (>8 lines) because i like to see the order of commands i typed |
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| 05:19.20 | qwator | hi all |
| 05:19.23 | qwator | knotes is crashing and i've got a really important sticky note i need to read, any sugestions? |
| 05:19.37 | DaSkreech | krushia: use grep -A a lot ? |
| 05:20.18 | Chani | qwator: the files are kept somewhere in .kde/share/apps/ iirc |
| 05:20.22 | krushia | geo-axis: KDE Components > Service Manager > uncheck KMilo |
| 05:20.44 | geo-axis | krushia: naa ..disabled sticky keys |
| 05:20.46 | geo-axis | thanks |
| 05:21.03 | krushia | geo-axis: i think that will stop all accessability stuff from turning on at all (and saves a little memory) |
| 05:21.31 | qwator | thank you Chani |
| 05:21.31 | Chani | qwator: .kde/share/apps/knotes/notes |
| 05:22.36 | kdepepo | qwator, .kde/share/apps/knotes/notes.ics here |
| 05:23.17 | krushia | DaSkreech: nah i usually point a text editor to the matching line number if i want to see everything around it. |
| 05:24.06 | DaSkreech | krushia: strange duck :) |
| 05:24.16 | krushia | DaSkreech: and sometimes i add comment lines while i'm looking at it |
| 05:24.27 | DaSkreech | ah that makes sense |
| 05:24.49 | DaSkreech | krushia: though you can do that while you are actually typing the commands :) |
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| 05:25.51 | qwator | ahh thats, ok so now why's my knotes not working >:/ |
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| 05:26.03 | krushia | DaSkreech: except half the commands i try don't do what i think they are going to do the first time |
| 05:26.07 | qwator | thats=thanks |
| 05:26.22 | DaSkreech | krushia: yeah I meant after they work |
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| 05:27.25 | krushia | DaSkreech: well if they work then i'm either too excited to care or it seems like it's so obvious that no commenting is required :p |
| 05:27.45 | DaSkreech | krushia: ha ha You need to be a programmer |
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| 05:27.59 | krushia | DaSkreech: i am |
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| 05:28.25 | DaSkreech | Lord help us :) |
| 05:29.07 | krushia | DaSkreech: don't worry, i just program robots |
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| 05:30.10 | DaSkreech | You Killed my father and now you've come back for me! |
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| 05:33.03 | qwator | can someone have a look at this crash traceback and let me know whats going on with it URL: http://rafb.net/p/2SwF1y60.html |
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| 05:33.35 | krushia | time to stop jacking the channel and get some sleep. good luck with your issues guys |
| 05:34.04 | qwator | thanks krushia sleep deep |
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| 05:41.13 | soyuz | Hi!! Trying to understand KDE/QT programming. Do the UI widgets comes from QT library or they are drawn by KDE libraries using QT provided engines? Will appreciate a good tutorial to learn. |
| 05:42.33 | Jucato | soyuz: you can start digging around in http://techbase.kde.org/ (or the older http://developer.kde.org) |
| 05:43.20 | rohanpm | soyuz: some widgets are implemented in Qt, some are implemented in KDE, all are drawn using Qt |
| 05:44.04 | qwator | http://women.kde.org/articles/tutorials/kdevelop3/index.html is what i'm trying to read right now |
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| 05:45.37 | DaSkreech | Jucato: hey if everytime I sudo some device it freezes what should I guess ? |
| 05:45.58 | hacosta2 | sudo what? |
| 05:46.12 | DaSkreech | hacosta2: sudo something with the device |
| 05:46.17 | DaSkreech | sudo mount device |
| 05:46.23 | DaSkreech | askes for password |
| 05:46.29 | DaSkreech | sits forever |
| 05:46.33 | DaSkreech | sudo eject device |
| 05:46.36 | Jucato | <--- not a hardware guy :( |
| 05:46.38 | DaSkreech | sits forever |
| 05:47.09 | hacosta | was it already mounted.. you could check if something else is trying to mount it with fuser |
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| 05:47.26 | hacosta | anyways i just use dbus+hal to mannage that kind of stuff |
| 05:47.55 | DaSkreech | hal seems to be the problem here |
| 05:49.58 | hacosta | what's the problem? |
| 05:50.07 | DaSkreech | Cds won't automount |
| 05:50.19 | hacosta | why do you think hal is the problem? |
| 05:50.22 | hacosta | oh |
| 05:50.28 | hacosta | is this a music cd? |
| 05:50.37 | DaSkreech | He gave me ssh access to his machine if you want to see |
| 05:50.44 | DaSkreech | no all cds as near as I can tell |
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| 05:51.52 | hacosta | so they won't automount, or won't mount or none of the above? |
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| 05:54.09 | A_b | Greetings is there a Rune font available for koffice or is seperate from kde? My roomie would like to do a paper in Rune font :)?? |
| 05:54.19 | hacosta | Ccstupid compiz i got ire on my screen and don't know how to turn it off |
| 05:59.38 | DaSkreech | hacosta: won't automount |
| 05:59.44 | DaSkreech | I got like 3 of them to mount |
| 05:59.55 | DaSkreech | but most of the time sudo mount just hangs |
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| 07:21.46 | roho | where does konqueror keep its cache? |
| 07:24.37 | straw | roho: /var/tmp |
| 07:25.05 | roho | k |
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| 07:29.41 | logixoul | how do I tell KDE to rebuild its thumbnail cache? |
| 07:30.10 | logixoul | just refreshing the konq view of a dir doesn't seem to do that :( |
| 07:30.14 | Shirakawasuna | logixoul: you can delete it |
| 07:30.32 | Shirakawasuna | logixoul: and I *think* if you close konqueror, kill it, and open it again it *might* refresh |
| 07:31.14 | logixoul | hm, do you have any idea where this cache is stored? |
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| 07:31.38 | logixoul | somewhere under /var/tmp/kdecache-logixoul? |
| 07:32.21 | Shirakawasuna | logixoul: no, it's a .thumbnails dir in your home directory |
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| 07:34.35 | logixoul | wow... that's huge. |
| 07:34.46 | logixoul | yeah. thanks Shirakawasuna. |
| 07:34.53 | logixoul | oh, and thanks for porting Buuf too :) |
| 07:35.06 | Shirakawasuna | np :) |
| 07:35.13 | Shirakawasuna | I'm always open for recommendations! |
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| 07:35.38 | Shirakawasuna | I've gotten almost none, it makes it hard to know what's missing as I don't use a 'complete' application set :) |
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| 07:40.25 | logixoul | hahaha omg! I was happily browsing ~/.thumbnails for several seconds then I realized Konq was creating thumbnails of the thumbnails and just wouldn't stop :D . had to kill it and now I have 5 times more thumbnails :) |
| 07:41.14 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: well, there is no icon for the konq toolbutton that changes the view mode |
| 07:41.36 | logixoul | also for basket |
| 07:41.55 | logixoul | and all the dev apps like kdevelop and kompare |
| 07:42.07 | logixoul | and superkaramba |
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| 07:42.41 | logixoul | soundKonverter |
| 07:43.17 | logixoul | gonna ask mattahan to make those, or just adapt from existing ones? |
| 07:43.26 | Shirakawasuna | adapt |
| 07:43.52 | Shirakawasuna | I never get replies to the stuff I send to him, not sure if he actually gets my emails/deviant art messages :) |
| 07:44.01 | logixoul | ah ok ;) |
| 07:44.22 | logixoul | make beryl.png (symlink to beryl-manager.png) |
| 07:44.40 | logixoul | and a beryl-settings.png |
| 07:45.12 | logixoul | you have both gimp and gnome-gimp - I guess the latter is superfluous |
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| 07:46.21 | teclo- | Hello, is there some way to tell KDE to always start the same apps, and *never* restart all the apps that were started in the previous session ? |
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| 07:46.28 | logixoul | yes. |
| 07:46.38 | logixoul | for the first part, see the following |
| 07:46.39 | teclo- | ah :) |
| 07:46.40 | logixoul | ~autostart |
| 07:46.49 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560261 - or, if you want a GUI - http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=45975 |
| 07:47.17 | logixoul | ok anyway see this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Autostart+Manager?content=45975 |
| 07:47.18 | bluelightning | hmm, perhaps it's out at lunch |
| 07:47.50 | logixoul | and for the second part, kcontrol->kde components->session manager->disable it |
| 07:47.57 | Shirakawasuna | logixoul: I tend not to change the beryl ones because its icon scheme irritates me :) |
| 07:48.13 | Shirakawasuna | logixoul: it's *really* hard to change the taskbar icon, even in gnome |
| 07:48.22 | logixoul | ah. |
| 07:49.39 | straw | Shirakawasuna: btw, index.desktop is deprecated in favour of index.theme |
| 07:50.52 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: how about something like this for konversation? just made it http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/279/konversationxg3.png |
| 07:51.10 | logixoul | as in "lots of people talk" |
| 07:52.24 | teclo- | ok, is ./kde/Autostart a file or a directory ? |
| 07:52.31 | logixoul | teclo-: dir |
| 07:52.46 | logixoul | teclo-: but you'd better use the easy manager I linked to ;) |
| 07:52.46 | teclo- | logixoul: so I put symlinks to apps in it ? |
| 07:52.59 | straw | Shirakawasuna: kdetoys, kdegames apps. but those'd be hard |
| 07:53.01 | logixoul | teclo-: yep. or *.desktop files. or shell scripts |
| 07:53.03 | teclo- | logixoul: yes but :) I'll never have to change that stuff |
| 07:53.09 | teclo- | logixoul: thank you |
| 07:53.10 | logixoul | ah ok |
| 07:53.11 | logixoul | np |
| 07:53.40 | metbsd | so what's other good software to install in kde |
| 07:53.46 | Shirakawasuna | straw: yeah, kdegames is just about impossible :) |
| 07:54.03 | logixoul | metbsd: Basket, Filelight, Amarok, Kaffeine |
| 07:54.07 | logixoul | metbsd: Dolphin |
| 07:54.24 | logixoul | metbsd: K3b |
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| 07:54.32 | Shirakawasuna | logixoul: no offense but I like the ichat-like one more :) |
| 07:54.37 | straw | Shirakawasuna: for index.desktop you can just cp index.desktop index.theme |
| 07:54.47 | straw | or mv, rather |
| 07:54.51 | Shirakawasuna | index.theme, eh |
| 07:55.13 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: but, but! I can't distinguish it from kopete in my systray :) |
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| 07:56.21 | Shirakawasuna | maybe if I... flip it horizontally? :) |
| 07:56.55 | Shirakawasuna | I think there are other chat icons, lemme see |
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| 07:57.29 | Shirakawasuna | whoah, I'm missing kmplayer |
| 07:57.43 | logixoul | as well as kaffeine |
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| 07:59.26 | straw | Shirakawasuna: kpager, kandy, kedit, khexedit, kgpg, kcron... :P |
| 07:59.42 | logixoul | what's kandy? |
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| 08:00.14 | straw | looks to be a cell phone/pda tool |
| 08:00.21 | logixoul | ah |
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| 08:00.46 | metbsd | how do i change it to a higher resolution, i only have 640x480 right now |
| 08:00.51 | metbsd | i want 1280/1024 |
| 08:01.03 | straw | Shirakawasuna: i went through all this insanity while helping with the Tango project :) |
| 08:01.04 | logixoul | metbsd: ask in the channel for your OS |
| 08:01.22 | metbsd | they don't run x window at all |
| 08:01.25 | metbsd | they run console only |
| 08:01.39 | Shirakawasuna | straw: it's menial but kinda fun ;) |
| 08:01.50 | logixoul | metbsd: try kcontrol->peripherals->monitor |
| 08:02.00 | Shirakawasuna | I'd like to learn/get good at digital art, make my own stuff |
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| 08:02.13 | straw | Shirakawasuna: it can drive you mad. i found having a window with previews of the Crystal theme open real handy |
| 08:03.04 | metbsd | i'm there, but only 640x480 |
| 08:03.07 | Shirakawasuna | for my method I went to /opt/kde/share/icons/crystalsvg and slowly went through the 22x22 and 48x48 sections :) |
| 08:03.07 | metbsd | nothing else |
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| 08:03.18 | straw | Shirakawasuna: well, start playing with inkscape :) |
| 08:03.21 | logixoul | metbsd: ask in #xorg for directions |
| 08:03.30 | straw | Shirakawasuna: exactly. me too |
| 08:03.57 | logixoul | that's why KDE's migrating to the xdg icon spec is so awesome :) |
| 08:04.21 | roho | where does konqueror store its history? |
| 08:04.40 | straw | logixoul: i bugged so hard for that. really happy it's happening :) |
| 08:04.42 | logixoul | roho: /home/logixoul/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konq_history |
| 08:04.53 | logixoul | straw yeah |
| 08:05.08 | roho | there is no konqueror directory :( |
| 08:05.14 | roho | er |
| 08:05.15 | roho | yes there is! |
| 08:05.26 | Shirakawasuna | straw: I've been thinking more along the lines of one of those pad things... once I think my talents warrant the purchase :) |
| 08:05.46 | Shirakawasuna | inkscape is fun, too, though :) |
| 08:05.56 | straw | Shirakawasuna: actually, yeah i was going to say that's essential |
| 08:05.58 | logixoul | not mutually exclusive I think |
| 08:06.22 | roho | even after deleting the konq_history file, there are still the websites in the location bar |
| 08:06.25 | Shirakawasuna | straw: can you use inkscape and oen of those pads together? |
| 08:06.39 | straw | Shirakawasuna: i think so |
| 08:06.44 | Shirakawasuna | that would be awesome |
| 08:06.55 | logixoul | roho: if you don't have anything important open in konq right now, type this in a terminal: killall konqueror |
| 08:07.27 | roho | logixoul: they're still there. |
| 08:07.36 | straw | Shirakawasuna: don't wait until you're good enough. you'll need one to get good :) |
| 08:07.44 | logixoul | roho: rightclick it |
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| 08:07.51 | logixoul | the location field |
| 08:07.59 | roho | so i can't wipe it |
| 08:08.08 | logixoul | you can... |
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| 08:08.21 | Shirakawasuna | straw: what are they called, exactly? |
| 08:08.29 | Shirakawasuna | I was thinking ampad but apparently that's wrong |
| 08:08.32 | roho | what's the file called that stores them? |
| 08:08.42 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: tablet? |
| 08:08.50 | straw | Shirakawasuna: tablet |
| 08:08.54 | Shirakawasuna | ah, wacom |
| 08:09.03 | Shirakawasuna | for the 'original' brand |
| 08:09.14 | straw | there are several manufacturers |
| 08:09.20 | logixoul | roho: not sure but you just need to rightclick the location field, then select 'clear history' |
| 08:09.22 | Shirakawasuna | well, the one everyone likes to make icons of |
| 08:09.24 | Shirakawasuna | :) |
| 08:09.41 | roho | logixoul: yes, but that means i can't overwrite a file. which means the history isn't really deleted |
| 08:10.07 | roho | which means back to firefox, i guess |
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| 08:10.46 | roho | there isn't a file in which they're stored? |
| 08:10.47 | logixoul | roho: "really" deleted? I do believe any content you delete from a file _does_ disappear irrecoverably, on any filesystem. |
| 08:10.58 | logixoul | there is such a file of course... |
| 08:11.05 | logixoul | you just need to find it |
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| 08:11.07 | roho | heh |
| 08:11.09 | straw | Shirakawasuna: Graphire is recommended |
| 08:11.18 | Shirakawasuna | for linux or in general? |
| 08:11.23 | roho | you'd think all that stuff would be stored in one place |
| 08:11.30 | straw | Shirakawasuna: A5 or A6 size |
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| 08:11.57 | straw | Shirakawasuna: in general, i would think. i asked in #tango :P |
| 08:12.00 | acemo | is there any svn support or a plugin for this in kate? |
| 08:12.00 | logixoul | roho: ah I got it. |
| 08:12.05 | roho | sweet |
| 08:12.10 | logixoul | roho: first killall konqueror |
| 08:12.27 | roho | done |
| 08:12.33 | logixoul | roho: then, without launching it again, move that konq_history file away from a terminal |
| 08:12.40 | logixoul | roho: then launch konq again |
| 08:12.46 | roho | how about renaming it? |
| 08:12.52 | Shirakawasuna | straw: cool |
| 08:12.53 | logixoul | should do, yes |
| 08:13.01 | roho | cool |
| 08:13.01 | roho | thanks |
| 08:13.08 | Shirakawasuna | $100 isn't too bad |
| 08:13.35 | roho | nope. |
| 08:13.38 | roho | didn't work |
| 08:13.41 | logixoul | $100? whoa, I'm getting one then :) |
| 08:13.44 | straw | Shirakawasuna: i just noticed the open lock and kget in my konq tool bar aren't Buuf'd |
| 08:14.04 | Shirakawasuna | you said A5 or A6 but they're listed as 4x5 and 6x8 |
| 08:14.04 | Shirakawasuna | straw: yeah, I'll have to find a way to make an 'open lock' look |
| 08:14.26 | Shirakawasuna | the kget one must have a different name |
| 08:15.42 | straw | Shirakawasuna: 4x5 = A6, 6x8 = a5 |
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| 08:16.54 | Shirakawasuna | I like the 6x8 better ;) |
| 08:17.04 | Shirakawasuna | now I need the money! |
| 08:17.07 | acemo | can someone reccomand me an text editor with highlights and svn support? |
| 08:17.15 | Shirakawasuna | oh, hey, I'll have extra money this summer |
| 08:17.16 | Shirakawasuna | woo |
| 08:17.49 | logixoul | acemo: kdevelop, though that's really more than a text editor ;) |
| 08:17.59 | logixoul | acemo: I think 3.4+ supports svn |
| 08:18.51 | acemo | logixoul: ill try it out.. hope its not as heavyweight as eclipse and crap more |
| 08:19.02 | straw | Shirakawasuna: khtml_kget.png, i think |
| 08:19.11 | damian | kate and kwrite do highlighting but not svn unless it's in kparts |
| 08:19.16 | Shirakawasuna | straw: thanks :) |
| 08:19.28 | Shirakawasuna | straw: I see you're a neurotic as I am when it comes to finding icons ;) |
| 08:19.41 | straw | Shirakawasuna: yeah :) |
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| 08:21.34 | straw | Shirakawasuna: Tango was a bit frustrating because i could only use what was in the icon naming spec, and the spec author is very particular |
| 08:21.40 | fedora_ | hey i need help on installing fedora core 7 kde live can anyone help please? |
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| 08:23.55 | Shirakawasuna | straw: that sounds fun :) |
| 08:24.07 | Shirakawasuna | I'm a fan of bctango |
| 08:24.28 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: here, gimped for 5 minutes. you can probably do a much better job for 30 :) http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7184/unlockedrf5.png |
| 08:25.08 | logixoul | eh... the perspective looks very wrong |
| 08:25.10 | Shirakawasuna | you overestimate my skills ;) |
| 08:25.15 | acemo | logixoul: kdevelop wont let me create a new project.. keeps saying folder is invalid, even tho am pretty sure the folder exists |
| 08:25.22 | Shirakawasuna | although I'd do a better job and it'd take 3 hours! |
| 08:25.24 | straw | Shirakawasuna: it was even more fun when i put it on kde-look and everyone complained about missing icons :-| |
| 08:25.48 | Shirakawasuna | straw: which one did you put up? |
| 08:26.16 | logixoul | acemo: there are two field in there. in the first one enter just the name of your project, such as blahblah |
| 08:26.26 | straw | Shirakawasuna: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tango?content=32288 |
| 08:26.35 | logixoul | acemo: in the second one, enter a dir that already exists, such as /home/acemo/ |
| 08:26.46 | JamesMichael | can anyone help me with install? |
| 08:26.51 | Shirakawasuna | ah |
| 08:26.59 | JamesMichael | shira? |
| 08:27.04 | acemo | logixoul: hmm after restarting kdevelop it works ^.^ |
| 08:27.11 | logixoul | ok |
| 08:27.11 | Shirakawasuna | JamesMichael: the installation of what? |
| 08:27.27 | JamesMichael | fedora core 7 |
| 08:27.28 | straw | JamesMichael: #fedora |
| 08:27.44 | JamesMichael | no one is talking in there |
| 08:27.52 | logixoul | not our problem ;) |
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| 08:28.00 | logixoul | try their forums or whatever |
| 08:28.15 | JamesMichael | well i was hoping someone would be nice |
| 08:28.20 | JamesMichael | and help me out |
| 08:28.30 | Shirakawasuna | JamesMichael: well you see, we don't use fedora |
| 08:28.38 | JamesMichael | ahh what do u use? |
| 08:28.39 | Shirakawasuna | JamesMichael: I'll help you with an archlinux installation ;) |
| 08:28.41 | straw | i do |
| 08:28.45 | Shirakawasuna | oh, well straw does |
| 08:28.47 | JamesMichael | archlinux? |
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| 08:28.54 | JamesMichael | is it gui? |
| 08:29.03 | Shirakawasuna | not the installation! :) |
| 08:29.12 | Shirakawasuna | it's fast and painful! |
| 08:29.16 | JamesMichael | straw would you help me |
| 08:29.17 | logixoul | JamesMichael: Kubuntu. but even if I used fedora, I would come to #fedora if I wanted to help with it, wouldn't I? ;) |
| 08:29.31 | straw | JamesMichael: it's off topic here |
| 08:29.38 | logixoul | "fast and painful" I like that :) |
| 08:29.51 | JamesMichael | well will you join #fedora and help me? |
| 08:30.04 | Shirakawasuna | my last installation took 15 mins to get barebones, 35 to get full kde desktop + apps |
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| 08:30.23 | Shirakawasuna | JamesMichael: what's the magic word...? |
| 08:30.29 | JamesMichael | please |
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| 08:31.13 | JamesMichael | wait wait magic words to linux peeps.... windows and mac suck ass... |
| 08:31.17 | straw | JamesMichael: what help could you need? get the live KDE iso, burn it, boot it, click the install icon on the top left of the desktop |
| 08:31.26 | JamesMichael | did that |
| 08:31.32 | Shirakawasuna | JamesMichael: no, linux people sometimes like macs :) |
| 08:31.36 | JamesMichael | tried to boot up |
| 08:31.52 | JamesMichael | and it says the kernal fails and is not sync |
| 08:32.13 | Shirakawasuna | straw: btw what tools did you use to edit the lock icon? |
| 08:32.25 | Shirakawasuna | my gimp skills are *ok* |
| 08:32.30 | JamesMichael | ok well windows vista sucks :P |
| 08:32.38 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: er that was me :P |
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| 08:33.08 | straw | Shirakawasuna: i'm no artist either ;) i worked on the icon naming utilities matching icon names |
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| 08:33.45 | Shirakawasuna | err, err, I mean logixoul |
| 08:33.58 | JamesMichael | i installed it twice straw |
| 08:34.17 | straw | Shirakawasuna: and arguing (in a friendly way) with gnome hackers/artists :) |
| 08:34.55 | straw | JamesMichael: off topic here. wait a while and #fedora will get active again |
| 08:35.04 | Shirakawasuna | I hope kde4 helps bring the more artistic types to kde :) |
| 08:35.48 | straw | it will. being able to target both DE's will make a big diff |
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| 08:37.19 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: first rect select bottom part of the metal thing. clear it. copy&paste black border from the top part to the cleared part. do rudimentary clone of the right half of the top yellow side (clone tool). use paintbrush tool with soft brush and 75% opacity to smoothen it out, then smaller brush to give it some minimal texture for consistency, then copy the rounded part from the bottom-right of the metal thing and paste it on the left. then select |
| 08:37.19 | logixoul | whole metal thing with lasso (feathered edges 4px), lift it into a layer, scale layer from 100 to 75 px width, use the previously mentioned procedure to fill in the small resulting gaps |
| 08:37.35 | logixoul | so, basic stuff :p |
| 08:37.47 | logixoul | I wish krita was adequate... :) |
| 08:38.59 | Shirakawasuna | me, too |
| 08:39.06 | Shirakawasuna | or that the gimp had a different interface :) |
| 08:39.20 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: a guy I know is doing a skinstudio-like kind of thing for kde. now *this* will bring artistic kinds to kde ;) |
| 08:39.26 | logixoul | combined with cokoon no less |
| 08:39.35 | logixoul | (which is getting attention right now) |
| 08:39.59 | Shirakawasuna | ooh, awesome |
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| 08:40.14 | _syphilis_ | is it possible to bind a key in kmail to move a mail to a particular folder? |
| 08:40.14 | Shirakawasuna | cokoon? |
| 08:40.23 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: a svg based widgetstyle engine |
| 08:41.30 | Shirakawasuna | ah, cool |
| 08:42.02 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: btw I think kmenu2.png is nicer as a default kmenu icon |
| 08:42.15 | logixoul | the other one is a tad too dreamy |
| 08:45.05 | Shirakawasuna | aww, but it's a tree :) |
| 08:45.58 | logixoul | trees are nice and stuff but the kmenu icon needs to be, like, sober I think :p |
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| 08:47.31 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: which iconset do you normally use? buuf or gant or something else? |
| 08:47.58 | Shirakawasuna | I rotate between bctango, buuf, and gant |
| 08:48.03 | logixoul | aha |
| 08:49.18 | Shirakawasuna | hmm... trying to find a way to make that 'unlocked' png upper layer seem like it rotated... |
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| 08:49.51 | logixoul | layer->transform->flip horizontally? |
| 08:49.56 | zacha | In KDE, how do I apply a background so it stays the same everywhere? |
| 08:50.18 | logixoul | zacha: "background"? you mean desktop background? |
| 08:50.31 | zacha | oops, I meant to type Konqueror not KDE |
| 08:50.48 | logixoul | zacha: just do it for one folder, then restart konqueror. |
| 08:50.59 | logixoul | a bit confusing, I know |
| 08:51.05 | zacha | When I go to some directories it goes back to the old one... |
| 08:51.12 | zacha | but I'll try that, it may be preloaded |
| 08:51.23 | logixoul | killall konqueror to get around preloading |
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| 08:51.51 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: kmag is needed (same as xmag) |
| 08:52.23 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: hm, you could use symlinks for duplicate icons to save space (not sure if the buildscript supports that tho) |
| 08:52.39 | Shirakawasuna | I don't think it does, maybe I could adapt it |
| 08:53.37 | logixoul | hm, did you create systemtray.png? it's super cute |
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| 08:55.52 | Shirakawasuna | nope, he made that ;) |
| 08:56.01 | logixoul | ah k |
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| 09:00.35 | Shirakawasuna | grr, the perspective tool looks good at first and during the preview, then gets choppy |
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| 09:04.05 | zacha | problem solved :) Thanks for helping logixoul |
| 09:04.16 | logixoul | np :) |
| 09:05.28 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: the "some offline" kopete icon is kinda artifical. how about something more organic? examples here: http://logixoul.ftp.sh/Shirakawasuna/ |
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| 09:06.02 | logixoul | artificial* |
| 09:06.17 | zacha | I had "per folder" custom settings which overwrote the default background |
| 09:06.44 | Shirakawasuna | good idea |
| 09:07.53 | logixoul | ok hm... what's comix.png used for? |
| 09:08.35 | logixoul | it's freaking me out o_o |
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| 09:09.22 | Shirakawasuna | comix: 'a comic book viewer' |
| 09:09.37 | logixoul | ah... |
| 09:09.58 | metbsd | so what's other good kde apps to play with are worth installing? |
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| 09:10.46 | Shirakawasuna | ah, of course, the basket icon is a basket ;) |
| 09:10.56 | logixoul | yep ;) |
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| 09:12.10 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: do you know if buuf, gant and umicons have huge (like 512x512) or even vector versions? |
| 09:12.31 | Shirakawasuna | they should but I don't think they're released |
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| 09:12.41 | logixoul | right, thought so. |
| 09:12.42 | Shirakawasuna | I don't think they're vectors |
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| 09:16.49 | logixoul | wow... the cdimage mimetype is just... wow. beautiful! |
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| 09:19.12 | Shirakawasuna | for instance: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37966044/?qo=2&q=by%3Amattahan&qh=boost%3Apopular+-in%3Ascraps |
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| 09:19.38 | Shirakawasuna | he could've made a huge robot head just for that but I think he probably used his stock drawing |
| 09:20.14 | logixoul | yup. he has a nice umicons-style wallpaper with some huge stock heads too. |
| 09:20.43 | Shirakawasuna | I like the presentation mimetype :) |
| 09:21.03 | Shirakawasuna | I kinda stretched w/ the python mimetype :/ |
| 09:21.14 | Shirakawasuna | he didn't have a nifty snake like in GANT |
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| 09:22.45 | logixoul | filetypes.png kinda looks like a snake ^_^ |
| 09:22.52 | logixoul | more so that that leaf anyway |
| 09:23.04 | logixoul | just change the hue |
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| 09:23.51 | Shirakawasuna | filetypes looks like a creepy ghost :) |
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| 09:25.40 | logixoul | Guys, how do I disable the KDE trash? |
| 09:28.04 | Shirakawasuna | disable? |
| 09:28.25 | logixoul | yeah... like make shift+delete the default |
| 09:28.50 | logixoul | because I sometimes press shift a tad later and something ends up in trash, then I have to clean up ^_^ |
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| 09:29.22 | logixoul | I could just change the konq shortcut but that would only work in konq |
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| 09:32.04 | Shirakawasuna | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde&m=116714775826440&w=2 |
| 09:33.06 | logixoul | yup... thx |
| 09:33.21 | Shirakawasuna | of course now I can't figure out how to do what they say, but meh ;) |
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| 09:33.57 | logixoul | hey what wallpaper do you use here? http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/56939572/ |
| 09:34.28 | xlinux | Amarok crashes offline, Kaffeine wont play videos offline, any ideas? bought ready to reinstall the distro. |
| 09:35.01 | logixoul | xlinux: so those problems aren't there when you connect to the internet?? |
| 09:35.05 | logixoul | these* |
| 09:35.35 | xlinux | logixoul- no, connecting to the internet IMMEDIATELY remedies these problems |
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| 09:35.51 | logixoul | right |
| 09:35.55 | logixoul | very weird... |
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| 09:36.10 | xlinux | also, konqueror wont load mpeg thumbnails offline |
| 09:36.14 | xlinux | yes indeed |
| 09:36.22 | logixoul | run amarok from a terminal and see if it says anything |
| 09:36.58 | xlinux | it doesnt say anything when it crashes, but it says the following when it starts, on or offline: |
| 09:37.07 | metbsd | what os kde apps sugget me to get? |
| 09:37.14 | metbsd | i have k3b already |
| 09:37.35 | xlinux | allright, its not that long is it cool if I paste it? |
| 09:37.43 | logixoul | 2-3 lines is ok |
| 09:37.55 | logixoul | else nopaste.com |
| 09:38.26 | Shirakawasuna | logixoul: it's one of the graffiti ones from mandolux |
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| 09:39.53 | logixoul | wow. this mandolux guy has some excellent stuff there. |
| 09:40.05 | xlinux | http://pastebin.com/933960 |
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| 09:43.06 | om_ | does anyone know a program to check how is running my memory? |
| 09:43.15 | om_ | how fast i mean i need to know because im overclocking right now |
| 09:43.18 | xlinux | htop |
| 09:43.18 | om_ | and i need to know exactly |
| 09:43.26 | om_ | how fast is running |
| 09:43.55 | xlinux | logixoul.. any idea? |
| 09:44.00 | logixoul | no. |
| 09:44.06 | logixoul | ask in your distro's channel maybe |
| 09:44.07 | xlinux | crap |
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| 09:45.35 | logixoul | xlinux: or you could try a clean user account. |
| 09:46.12 | xlinux | like create an entire new user for my OS? |
| 09:46.20 | logixoul | yes |
| 09:46.47 | xlinux | is there any way to transfer all my tweaks to my new user account? |
| 09:47.03 | xlinux | scripts/settings/etc? |
| 09:47.43 | logixoul | the obvious way is to copy /home/oldaccount to /home/newaccount, but this would mean you're also transfering the "tweak" that causes the problem |
| 09:48.19 | logixoul | so, you can copy the ten or twenty most important things by hand, one by one. not that hard. |
| 09:48.29 | logixoul | of course, a new user account may not even fix the problem... |
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| 09:51.53 | robdeman | hey folks |
| 09:52.04 | logixoul | hey |
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| 10:14.07 | feierfox | hi |
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| 10:14.09 | feierfox | i need an KDE FTP-Tool with GUI |
| 10:14.17 | logixoul | konqueror ;) |
| 10:14.30 | sabgenton | does konqueror have back and foward button suport |
| 10:14.39 | logixoul | huh? |
| 10:14.47 | sabgenton | if u have a mouse with enough buttons |
| 10:14.52 | logixoul | oh |
| 10:14.59 | logixoul | not easily |
| 10:15.12 | logixoul | you need to use additional software like imwheel I think |
| 10:15.17 | sabgenton | fire fox in linux has it out of the box ay? |
| 10:15.24 | logixoul | dunno |
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| 10:16.23 | feierfox | hey cool |
| 10:16.30 | feierfox | konquerer works as FTP client! |
| 10:16.37 | logixoul | yep, konqueror is cool |
| 10:16.42 | feierfox | wow... why do they change to doplphin in KDE4? |
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| 10:16.49 | sabgenton | its dum cause u can make actions to keybord sort cuts and crap |
| 10:16.58 | sabgenton | but not mouse buttons! |
| 10:16.59 | metbsd | is there photoshop like software in kde? and what is dolphin? |
| 10:17.14 | logixoul | metbsd: photoshop -> krita |
| 10:17.21 | logixoul | (but krita sucks for now, imo) |
| 10:17.33 | logixoul | metbsd: dolphin is an easy to use file manager |
| 10:17.34 | metbsd | what doesn't now |
| 10:17.36 | metbsd | for now |
| 10:17.44 | sabgenton | the only thing i could asign to a button was mousegestures |
| 10:18.17 | logixoul | metbsd: there's nothing comparable to photoshop on linux, imo. |
| 10:18.29 | feierfox | is there any keyboard shortcut to change to an directory "higher"? |
| 10:18.33 | logixoul | metbsd: you can pirate photoshop and crossover office and emulate it... |
| 10:18.36 | feierfox | like backspace in in explorer (?) |
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| 10:18.43 | logixoul | feierfox: alt+up |
| 10:18.47 | metbsd | what is crossover office |
| 10:19.06 | logixoul | metbsd: something that runs windows apps in linux |
| 10:19.06 | feierfox | wow! |
| 10:19.10 | feierfox | :) |
| 10:19.11 | feierfox | thanks! |
| 10:19.18 | metbsd | i rather dualboot |
| 10:19.27 | logixoul | feierfox: you can even change that to backspace (or anything) ;) |
| 10:20.02 | feierfox | i know... in KDE everything is possible to config |
| 10:20.06 | logixoul | yep |
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| 10:20.10 | feierfox | thats awesome! :) |
| 10:20.31 | logixoul | it's one of the 3 reasons I use kde and not gnome :) |
| 10:20.39 | logixoul | the others being consistency and c++ |
| 10:21.24 | metbsd | what are other two reasons |
| 10:21.26 | metbsd | oh |
| 10:21.30 | metbsd | lag |
| 10:21.39 | metbsd | what's gnome written |
| 10:21.43 | logixoul | c |
| 10:21.53 | metbsd | so c is not as good as c++ |
| 10:21.58 | logixoul | yes |
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| 10:26.34 | logixoul | feierfox: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/02/konqueror-not-vanishing-news-at-11.html http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2006/12/on-oxygen-on-dolphin.html |
| 10:26.56 | feierfox | thx |
| 10:29.24 | feierfox | which distri do you run? |
| 10:29.34 | logixoul | kubuntu |
| 10:32.07 | feierfox | good choise |
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| 10:40.44 | logixoul | Shirakawasuna: adept also needs to exist as adept_installer and adept_manager |
| 10:41.31 | logixoul | Guys, is there a way to set the iconsize used in menus, KDE-wide? (not just kmenu) |
| 10:41.42 | xlinux | its not better, cmon |
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| 10:42.04 | Jucato | logixoul: have you checked the list in KControl -> Apperance & Themes -> Icons -> Advanced tab? |
| 10:42.13 | logixoul | xlinux: hm? |
| 10:42.14 | Jucato | (not really sure it's there, not on KDE) |
| 10:42.41 | logixoul | Jucato: thanks but isn't there |
| 10:42.51 | Jucato | ok |
| 10:43.00 | logixoul | hm unless it's the "small icons" |
| 10:43.06 | logixoul | *tries* |
| 10:43.13 | xlinux | c isnt as advanced a language requiring more code to achieve, but this is where gnome achieves its stability. C++ is more advanced a language, but its not as stable. At least thats how I understand it |
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| 10:43.27 | Jucato | O.o |
| 10:43.34 | logixoul | That is false... |
| 10:43.43 | xlinux | really? |
| 10:43.52 | logixoul | yes. really. |
| 10:44.22 | xlinux | well, I can say Gnome is more stable for me, although I vastly prefer KDE, and thats why Im in the community |
| 10:44.42 | Jucato | it's also not accurate to compare GNOME/KDE with C/C++. While GNOME is indeed C-based, it is not just C |
| 10:44.51 | logixoul | this instability is certainly for other reasons. |
| 10:44.55 | xlinux | GTK+ right? |
| 10:45.02 | Jucato | KDE has been pretty stable for me... I guess it depends on the distro too |
| 10:45.07 | logixoul | for me too |
| 10:45.09 | Jucato | yes GTK |
| 10:45.15 | logixoul | Jucato: not just C? |
| 10:45.23 | logixoul | what other langs do they use? |
| 10:45.24 | xlinux | well, im on kubuntu, which im starting to regret |
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| 10:45.28 | Jucato | logixoul: I mean, not plain C |
| 10:45.49 | Jucato | GNOME <- GTK+ <- C\ |
| 10:46.11 | Jucato | just as KDE <- Qt <- C++ |
| 10:46.19 | logixoul | ah... then very little software uses "plain C" or "plain C++" ;) |
| 10:46.33 | logixoul | and while Qt extends C++, GTK+ doesn't actually extend C |
| 10:46.35 | logixoul | but yeah |
| 10:47.08 | rdale | gnome extends c with loads of macros |
| 10:47.08 | logixoul | Jucato: dude!!! it works! "small icons" did it, now I have 32x32. awesome. |
| 10:47.16 | xlinux | you all ever had a problem where a closed program remains in the taskbar, and clicking close doesnt take the button away? thats the annoying crap about KDE for me, although I may need to try a different distro |
| 10:47.16 | logixoul | oh. |
| 10:47.18 | Jucato | logixoul: heh ok :) |
| 10:47.37 | Jucato | xlinux: nope. never had that |
| 10:47.52 | Jucato | hm...maybe in a GTK app in KDE.. but I can't remember any instance at all |
| 10:47.55 | xlinux | well damn, is kubuntu that bad? |
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| 10:48.09 | Jucato | not really... |
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| 10:48.15 | logixoul | me and Jucato use kubuntu and haven't seen that bug ;) |
| 10:48.21 | Jucato | it's good, and it's bad. depends on where you look at it :) |
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| 10:48.38 | logixoul | xlinux: which program causes that bug? |
| 10:48.45 | Jucato | logixoul: btw, GTK does extend C... C doesn't have widgets does it? :) |
| 10:48.46 | xlinux | any and all |
| 10:48.49 | apokryphos | xlinux: it's evidently a non-responding program so you just have to kill it |
| 10:49.04 | xlinux | the program is already closed |
| 10:49.11 | xlinux | and its any program |
| 10:49.20 | apokryphos | oO |
| 10:49.28 | apokryphos | all programs don't close for you? |
| 10:49.38 | xlinux | whats good and whats bad.. im curious, considering i was a gnomer for a while |
| 10:49.48 | xlinux | (about kubuntu) |
| 10:50.04 | logixoul | Jucato: C does have the _facilities_ to build widgets. OTOH C++ doesn't have the facilities to introspect, for example. :) |
| 10:50.17 | xlinux | Ive had that happen with firefox konqueror, kaffeine, Innotek VB, and Amarok |
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| 10:50.44 | apokryphos | xlinux: apt is speedy and kubuntu has i.e. systemsettings. On the other hand, it implements quite a few things that are seen as hacks (rather than patches sometimes), apt is dumb, and I've found it to generally be less stable than some other distros |
| 10:50.52 | logixoul | xlinux: UNIX systems have so-called processes. You can kill those. If, say, Firefox is still in your taskbar, do as apokryphos said and execute the following: killall firefox |
| 10:51.04 | apokryphos | well, firefox-bin |
| 10:51.08 | logixoul | right |
| 10:51.09 | xlinux | yeah |
| 10:51.24 | apokryphos | popular applications like to be different ;) |
| 10:51.32 | xlinux | and the button stays in the taskbar even though it isnt running. |
| 10:51.41 | apokryphos | xlinux: so try killing it... |
| 10:51.50 | apokryphos | not closing, killing |
| 10:52.03 | xlinux | if I open another program, the button dissapears and that program takes its place |
| 10:52.18 | apokryphos | well tell us what happens when you kill it |
| 10:52.50 | Sho_ | Jucato: C++ doesn't "have widgets" either |
| 10:53.01 | xlinux | I do... lets say firefox is pid 5560.. i type kill pid 5560, and the button remains, even though the program is no longer in the process list |
| 10:53.19 | Jucato | Sho_: yeah. I was saying that both GTK and Qt extend C and C++. :) |
| 10:53.34 | Jucato | Sho_: btw, hi!!! (you weren't here yesterday) |
| 10:53.38 | Narishma | xlinux: it seems to be a problem with your specific configuration, because I've never had anything similar |
| 10:53.42 | apokryphos | xlinux: you wouldn't type kill pid, just kill 5560 |
| 10:53.46 | Narishma | xlinux: I use kubuntu too btw |
| 10:53.49 | Sho_ | I was. |
| 10:53.51 | apokryphos | xlinux: what happens when you kill -9 5560? |
| 10:53.59 | xlinux | never tried that |
| 10:54.18 | xlinux | ive installed kubuntu twice, and its been the case both times |
| 10:54.31 | apokryphos | anyhow, they don't sound like just non-responding apps, as you said their place is replaced |
| 10:54.35 | apokryphos | could be a kicker bug |
| 10:55.01 | xlinux | and i could remedy by filing a bug report... |
| 10:55.16 | logixoul | ...to ubuntu, yeah |
| 10:55.54 | xlinux | theyll tell me to go to the support forums, and ill get no answer there.. i know, ive done the kde dance before.. still alot better than gnomes closed ways, or ms's f u ways |
| 10:56.20 | apokryphos | closed ways? |
| 10:56.36 | xlinux | ive really been thinking of PCLOS, as Ive heard great things about it |
| 10:56.42 | apokryphos | heh |
| 10:56.52 | apokryphos | I don't recommend it :) |
| 10:56.56 | logixoul | me neither |
| 10:57.02 | apokryphos | though, I've never tried it |
| 10:57.16 | logixoul | if you try PCLOS, make sure you backup your data... |
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| 10:57.21 | xlinux | yeah, not as open to the masses in terms of development input, poor file manager (nautilus sucks), and bug reports take forever to be answered |
| 10:57.30 | xlinux | why is it unstable? |
| 10:57.42 | logixoul | it erased all my data once... |
| 10:57.47 | logixoul | while trying to install it |
| 10:57.50 | apokryphos | they seem open enough to me |
| 10:57.54 | Sho_ | xlinux: Fedora has a robust KDE desktop these days |
| 10:58.02 | apokryphos | that's because it's boring ;) |
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| 10:59.15 | xlinux | you know what I want? A very very fast, stable KDE desktop, without all the programs.. let me build it. Id try sidux, but it looks pretty hacked, and I dont know how good a distro based of Debian unstable would be |
| 10:59.25 | apokryphos | try openSUSE |
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| 10:59.38 | xlinux | its bloated with a lot of programs |
| 10:59.46 | xlinux | that sucker is like 5 cds |
| 10:59.47 | apokryphos | why do you think that? |
| 11:00.01 | logixoul | yup you can try openSUSE but make sure to get rid of zmd and beagle if you want "very very fast" |
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| 11:00.09 | xlinux | hey.. i can only go off what ive heard |
| 11:00.10 | apokryphos | part of the reason the next version will have 10.3 will be just to abolish this silliness ;) |
| 11:00.20 | apokryphos | xlinux: (i) it's not 5 CDs, you only need 1-3 for a default install |
| 11:00.22 | Sho_ | xlinux: Fedora 7 installs a pretty decent set of default applications in their KDE spin |
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| 11:00.43 | logixoul | fedora's system config tools are gtk tho :( |
| 11:00.53 | apokryphos | xlinux: (ii) the 3 CDs contain GNOME _and_ KDE _and_ more packages available to you. Other distros (ubuntu, kubuntu, mandriva) don't (on their one cd installs) |
| 11:01.15 | logixoul | (iii) openSUSE 10.3 has a one-cd install option |
| 11:01.17 | Sho_ | logixoul: True, but then I don't use them often .. |
| 11:01.19 | xlinux | id prefer debian based distros, or apt4rpm..but im open to rpm, just not too familar with it |
| 11:01.51 | apokryphos | xlinux: apt4rpm is barely maintained (which is why I didn't recommend PCLinuxOS), and Debian-based distros have real problems |
| 11:01.52 | xlinux | id go with gentoo, sabayon, or arch.. but I honestly dont know enough to do a good job with one of these distros |
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| 11:02.16 | xlinux | moreso than rpm? |
| 11:02.23 | Sho_ | In any case, I'm about to switch over my laptop from Kubuntu to Fedora 7, because they've stopped supporting PPC properly |
| 11:02.26 | xlinux | (open to all feedback here) |
| 11:02.52 | apokryphos | xlinux: a debian-based distro is more than just debs, it's apt too. And yes. |
| 11:03.08 | xlinux | ive heard really good and really bad things about yast. |
| 11:03.19 | xlinux | i dont remember |
| 11:03.46 | alex_ | when i download a program to linux it is just to red hat, SUSE, Mandriva,Slackware, Ubuntu, Debian and Solaris, do anyone knows which a should chosse if I have sabayon Linux? |
| 11:04.01 | apokryphos | no other distro has anything to rival YaST IMO. It's quite amazing (and there's new modules for it all the time) |
| 11:04.09 | Sho_ | alex_: #sabayon |
| 11:04.20 | apokryphos | the bad thing is that yast's package manager played up in 10.1, and people incorrectly refer to the PM as YaST |
| 11:04.24 | Sho_ | True, I've never seen package management UI quite as bad as YaST's |
| 11:04.30 | Sho_ | (and I've used Adept, so that says something) |
| 11:04.43 | apokryphos | really? I think the UI is really awesome |
| 11:04.45 | logixoul | my impression is that yast is only really an advantage for professional users like sysadmins and such. I think I've only used the partitioner, package manager, bootloader manager, and network device manager. |
| 11:04.48 | xlinux | hahahahaha |
| 11:04.49 | xlinux | see |
| 11:04.59 | apokryphos | it gives you more power than any other one I've seen and it's still quite clean |
| 11:05.03 | xlinux | to completely opposite opinions |
| 11:05.09 | apokryphos | tbh, I'd like a dumber one for some new users |
| 11:05.11 | apokryphos | xlinux: where? |
| 11:05.22 | logixoul | yast is a lot less friendly than kcontrol, imo. |
| 11:05.34 | Sho_ | apokryphos: Last time I used it (on 10.1), the UI was extremely overcomplicated (the dependency resolution dialogs ... oh my), and on top of that it constantly spewed errors about synchronizing with ZenSomething |
| 11:05.36 | apokryphos | logixoul: wrong. Normal users set up printers, bluetooth, etc too |
| 11:05.43 | xlinux | dont forget portage.. although I think the gui for it isnt as developed |
| 11:06.13 | xlinux | apokryphos: you and sho_ had opposite opinions |
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| 11:06.16 | apokryphos | Sho_: yes, those were the 10.1 woes. ZMD is out now. The resolution dialog was a problem; the methodology was to not force as many decisions, so give you the chance to choose when there's a conflict |
| 11:06.22 | Sho_ | xlinux: Although there's a very fine KDE GUI to Portage that was developed with help from OpenUsability: http://kuroo.org/screenshots.html |
| 11:06.28 | logixoul | zmd is out? party time! :D |
| 11:06.33 | apokryphos | xlinux: Sho_ is talking about YaST PM only. Hardly an opposite opinion. |
| 11:06.42 | xlinux | ahh |
| 11:06.52 | Sho_ | I have no real opinion on the other parts of YaST, didn't use them too much |
| 11:07.00 | xlinux | greek to me.. im used to synaptic and apt.. different world |
| 11:07.16 | apokryphos | yes, apt is bad ;) |
| 11:07.52 | xlinux | the guys who use kubuntu in here probably dont agree |
| 11:07.52 | apokryphos | so bad the Ubuntu developers considered moving towards smart at one point |
| 11:08.02 | apokryphos | but also debs aren't biarch compatible, which is a pain |
| 11:08.27 | apokryphos | xlinux: well, like I said, Ubuntu developers are annoyed with these things too |
| 11:08.34 | Sho_ | I'm not a big fan of apt/dpkg either, but with aptitude it's bearable imo |
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| 11:08.48 | xlinux | well, what about aptitude? |
| 11:09.15 | apokryphos | aptitude still makes dumb decisions (in comparison to smart, yum), but it is one thing - fast :) |
| 11:09.38 | Sho_ | xlinux: It's better than apt-* |
| 11:09.39 | apokryphos | the "ubuntu/debian way" also uses metapackages for resolving, which is a mess |
| 11:09.40 | xlinux | I use it and it seems reliable.. Ive never broke anything |
| 11:10.32 | xlinux | allright.. so let me do a little kde poll.. is a one cd install of opensuse faster and more stable than Kubuntu? |
| 11:10.35 | Thundercloud | What are we talking about |
| 11:10.44 | Sho_ | Off-topic things |
| 11:10.45 | Thundercloud | I hate Kubuntu anyway |
| 11:10.50 | Thundercloud | So i'd go with opensuse |
| 11:10.57 | Sho_ | better don't join, before pinotree comes back ;) |
| 11:11.00 | apokryphos | xlinux: the real 1CD KDE install is only available in 10.3 (currently unstable) |
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| 11:11.30 | logixoul | (old versions had unofficial 1cd installs too but they weren't maintained) |
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| 11:11.44 | apokryphos | xlinux: tbh you should try out all popular distros (especially if you're unhappy with your current one). openSUSE and Fedora are pretty much a must |
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| 11:11.51 | markey | ahoy annma |
| 11:11.56 | xlinux | ok.. what distros does everyone recommend |
| 11:11.58 | Sho_ | xlinux: Both distros have largely the same problems in my mind (overloaded default installes, way too many modifications to KDE, horrific package management GUIs) |
| 11:12.11 | logixoul | xlinux: http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ |
| 11:12.17 | xlinux | ive heard alot of good things about fedora |
| 11:12.24 | Sho_ | xlinux: But SuSE hasn't broken Konversation yet; Kubuntu has |
| 11:12.37 | Thundercloud | Kubuntu breaks a lot of things |
| 11:12.39 | annma | hi markey |
| 11:12.40 | apokryphos | Fedora has.. nice installer artwork ;) |
| 11:13.18 | apokryphos | xlinux: go, try them out |
| 11:13.46 | Sho_ | I don't exactly have a lot of Fedora experience, but with this new version 7 they've started releasing a KDE variant, which I tried recently, and liked quite a bit. The default desktop is fairly plain and snappy, largely unmodified from what KDE.org ships, but with a decent set of default applications. Sorta like Kubuntu without all the mods. |
| 11:13.58 | xlinux | see annoying.. i click on the link while a firefox window opens. A firefox button pops up the taskbar, while a tab opens in the already open fox. the button stays in the bar for 30 secs, and the fox icon bounces next to my cursor |
| 11:14.03 | Pooh22 | are there any kaddressbook guru's around? |
| 11:15.13 | xlinux | haha,, ive already tried the distro chooser. PCLOS, Kubuntu, and SUSE where on there.. |
| 11:15.16 | Pooh22 | I want to print some labels via kbarcode and kaddressbook and I don't know how to change the formatting (fields) of the address label contents |
| 11:15.41 | logixoul | xlinux: it told me to use mepis or mdk or suse... |
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| 11:16.02 | logixoul | of these, I still have to try mandriva |
| 11:16.07 | xlinux | i kinda dont wanna try Fedora because its based on corporate red hat, but maybe I need to try it anyway. I know they have an awesome community |
| 11:16.33 | xlinux | mandriva and mepis caught my interest too |
| 11:16.43 | logixoul | mepis didn't work with my videocard |
| 11:16.56 | logixoul | xlinux: that's a plus not a minus. btw red hat refused to sign a deal with ms... |
| 11:17.08 | xlinux | thats true |
| 11:17.21 | xlinux | like novell |
| 11:17.27 | logixoul | hm? |
| 11:17.31 | Pooh22 | xlinux: the best way is to try them out, mandriva used to be nice, now I'm using kubuntu, different problems, but I like debs and the fast pace of (k)ubuntu |
| 11:17.32 | apokryphos | xlinux: why is it a minus that it's based on 'corporate redhat'? |
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| 11:18.00 | xlinux | well. i guess I just hate the corporate world.. haha |
| 11:18.06 | logixoul | ... |
| 11:18.09 | apokryphos | Redhat's one of the biggest contributors to free and open source software ever |
| 11:18.19 | xlinux | personal thing, but I know fedora itself isnt corporate |
| 11:18.53 | xlinux | some people like debs, some hate them |
| 11:19.13 | apokryphos | like I said, dpkg isn't biarch compatible |
| 11:19.14 | xlinux | whats fedoras package management? |
| 11:19.19 | apokryphos | rpm |
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| 11:19.39 | xlinux | im sorry, I meant like gui or whatever |
| 11:20.33 | Pooh22 | xlinux: mandriva's urpmi and tools are really the best rpm based tools |
| 11:21.14 | apokryphos | xlinux: http://francis.giannaros.org/screenshots/fedora-installkde.png |
| 11:21.51 | xlinux | i know 5 years from know im gonna have like 8 distros.. i hate things with options, because Im a perfectionist ;) |
| 11:23.14 | xlinux | cool |
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| 11:24.00 | yiloveyi | hi |
| 11:24.02 | yiloveyi | clear |
| 11:24.02 | yiloveyi | ls |
| 11:24.12 | xlinux | alright, so fastest stable kde is fedora, opensuse, mandriva, mepis, and the hacked out sidux.. Ill try um all |
| 11:24.25 | logixoul | hello yiloveyi. |
| 11:24.39 | yiloveyi | hello logixoul |
| 11:27.32 | yiloveyi | ok |
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| 11:28.27 | logixoul | oh wait they do! I just had to restart the systray apps |
| 11:28.28 | logixoul | nice |
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| 11:30.04 | real_ate | hey all! is there anyone from ktimetracker in here? |
| 11:30.20 | real_ate | or can anyone direct me to a mailing list or anyting? |
| 11:33.46 | robdeman | hi all |
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| 11:33.58 | robdeman | hey is Kivio (flowchart tool) also available for Win32? |
| 11:34.16 | robdeman | this would help accepting the opensource office stuff a lot in my company.. |
| 11:34.22 | robdeman | they complain that there's no Visio for Linux |
| 11:34.35 | robdeman | and that the alternative, Kivio, does not geenrate documentas that the Windwos users can read |
| 11:34.42 | robdeman | solution: use Kivio under Windows, too.. |
| 11:34.53 | robdeman | but Im unsure where to look for a Win32 version of Kivio |
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| 12:14.46 | BlueEagl1 | I am trying to make wine desktop default to "No Border". I have set "wine" as window class and "Wine desktop" as window title (as detected by the "Detect" button and I have set No border to force in preferences but these settings are ignored. Is there something I've missed here? |
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| 12:15.31 | swanfl | anyone ever use cedega? |
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| 12:16.44 | BlueEagle | swanfl: I have used it a while ago. Are you conducting a survey? :) |
| 12:17.20 | swanfl | um, no I wanted to know if it was totally free like wine is |
| 12:17.29 | BlueEagle | swanfl: It is not. |
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| 12:19.14 | Chani | swanfl: costs about $5 iirc |
| 12:19.29 | BlueEagle | swanfl: http://transgaming.com for all info. |
| 12:19.50 | swanfl | thanks for the info |
| 12:20.04 | swanfl | i'll stick to wine :) |
| 12:20.34 | BlueEagle | swanfl: I find the latest git stable enough for AO. Got some nasty hickups in CS:s tho. |
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| 12:21.38 | BlueEagle | ...but I cannot disable the border by default. :/ |
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| 12:22.20 | Kebianizao | Hello is anyone an habitual user of suspend to disk feature? |
| 12:22.30 | Kebianizao | and also have some strange crashes in kde? |
| 12:22.30 | BlueEagle | !anyone |
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| 12:24.34 | MinceR | now i use suspend to ram but even that is buggy |
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| 12:24.40 | MinceR | this might be distro-related though. |
| 12:24.50 | MinceR | or even video driver-related |
| 12:25.07 | Kebianizao | well I'm experiencing some strange crashes in the apps of which this is the last: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147086 |
| 12:25.19 | Kebianizao | well STR is trickies IMHO |
| 12:26.14 | MinceR | dunno |
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| 12:27.12 | Kebianizao | s/trickies/trickier/ |
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| 12:31.27 | james | Hey |
| 12:31.48 | james | does anyone know how I reboot the X server on sabayon |
| 12:31.49 | james | ? |
| 12:32.01 | pinotree | james: #sabayon please |
| 12:32.28 | james | ok, thanks |
| 12:32.31 | james | #sabayon |
| 12:32.43 | james | too long since i used irc |
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| 12:47.26 | JuJuBee | I have configured my account just the way I want it. What do I copy to /etc/skel so when I create new accounts all of hte menu items etc. are created as they are in my account? |
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| 12:53.03 | Kebianizao | JuJuBee: I think for that there should be some kde specific defaults |
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| 12:53.31 | Kebianizao | I think this is in /etc/kde3 in debian |
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| 12:54.29 | Kebianizao | also /usr/share/config and config.kcfg |
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| 12:55.21 | Kebianizao | I'll try again: anyone using regular/common use of suspend to disk feature |
| 12:55.23 | Kebianizao | ? |
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| 12:55.55 | Jucato | annma!!!!!!!!! :) |
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| 12:56.09 | annma | hi Jucato :) |
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| 13:01.48 | senwei | hi .akk |
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| 13:05.42 | Beket | Hello everyone! I don't know if there is any KDE developer here, but I would like to say that KDE is awesome :) Thanks! |
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| 13:07.35 | Kebianizao | Beket: I agree |
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| 13:08.56 | Beket | I don't know how 4 is gonna be, but 3.5.x has literally took off my pc (it's even faster than Gnome) |
| 13:09.27 | Kebianizao | Beket: as per some bechmarks I've seen, you're right |
| 13:09.42 | Jejem | Beket: faster than gnome i'm not sure.. |
| 13:09.48 | Jejem | but it rocks :o |
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| 13:09.49 | Kebianizao | Beket: maybe you could write something like what you're saying to some kde mailing list :) |
| 13:10.30 | Beket | Kebianizao:) |
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| 13:12.37 | Beket | Jejem: well to be more accurate, kde+konqueror+konsole+kpdf+... is faster than gnome+firefox+gnome_terminal+evince+... :) |
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| 13:13.37 | Jejem | Beket: i'm still not sure.. |
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| 13:36.19 | _CC_ | if title bar stops responding....which process needs to be restarted |
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| 13:37.14 | wolsni | _CC_: the titlebars should be provided by your window manager |
| 13:37.22 | wolsni | "kwin --replace" |
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| 13:50.13 | _CC_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.58 | Narishma | kwin |
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| 13:51.55 | profoX` | aseigo: I am writing a short article (in Dutch) about the core technologies in KDE 4; I was reading up on Phase/Animator, but I don't understand everything you say on your blog: "make the animations consistent by doing them all in one place (Phase)" What do you mean by that? (maybe you have some example plasmoids featuring phase/animator so I can figure some things out?) |
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| 14:00.49 | physos | profoX`: a) there is a video linked in that blog entry which might help and b) perheaps better to try to contact aseigo per mail about this, since he liives in Canada and could be asleep now. |
| 14:02.06 | profoX` | physos: okay thanks, I will contact him through email |
| 14:02.08 | Jucato | profoX`: there's also an article in http://www.linux.com that I think tries to explain it. you can also ask the other people in #plasma |
| 14:03.12 | physos | ah, forgot about #plasma. |
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| 14:05.14 | profoX` | Jucato: the linux.com article, I have seen that, but it doesn't really explain Phase/animator, I will go to #plasma |
| 14:07.45 | x_link | Jucato: Do you know any program that will show the MHz of my RAM? |
| 14:08.31 | Jucato | x_link: KInfoCenter? |
| 14:08.31 | profoX` | physos: hah the video explains a lot, the first time I saw the video I saw it without sound |
| 14:08.34 | GarulfoUnix | hi everybody |
| 14:08.38 | GarulfoUnix | someone use KDE ? |
| 14:08.44 | annma | LOL |
| 14:08.46 | Jucato | er.. this is #kde :) |
| 14:08.52 | physos | profoX`: oh, thats quite a difference then :) |
| 14:08.55 | annma | in #kde you are supposed to use it |
| 14:08.56 | GarulfoUnix | no |
| 14:09.06 | Jucato | what do you mean "no"? |
| 14:09.08 | GarulfoUnix | thats a problem with KDE and Zenwalk Jucato ;) |
| 14:09.13 | x_link | Jucato: It says nothing about the MHz |
| 14:09.45 | Jucato | x_link: oh sorry. hm... not sure of a kde app.. have you tried "cat /proc/meminfo" ? |
| 14:09.53 | Jucato | GarulfoUnix: what do you mean? |
| 14:10.08 | x_link | Jucato: No, didn't try that. will try it now. |
| 14:10.13 | Jucato | this channel is the KDE user channel. the presumption is that everyone is using KDE. |
| 14:10.17 | profoX` | Jucato: I suppose you mean /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 14:10.29 | GarulfoUnix | after update currently, i rebooted my system, and KDE doesn't run |
| 14:10.33 | x_link | Jucato: That shows nothing either. |
| 14:10.40 | profoX` | x_link: grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:10.44 | GarulfoUnix | Jucato, this isn't a only problem KDE |
| 14:10.45 | annma | GarulfoUnix: distro? |
| 14:10.47 | x_link | profoX`: No. that's wrong. |
| 14:10.50 | Jucato | profoX`: he was asking about the MHZ of his Ram |
| 14:10.53 | profoX` | ooh |
| 14:10.55 | x_link | profoX`: /proc/cpuinfo shows the CPU and not the RAM |
| 14:10.59 | GarulfoUnix | ho ! |
| 14:11.01 | GarulfoUnix | sorry !! |
| 14:11.02 | GarulfoUnix | :D |
| 14:11.21 | Jucato | GarulfoUnix: well, this is #kde after all... we expect KDE-only problems here :) |
| 14:11.24 | GarulfoUnix | i don't saw that i writed on #kde |
| 14:11.25 | GarulfoUnix | arf |
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| 14:11.42 | GarulfoUnix | sorry sorry Jucato :) |
| 14:11.51 | Jucato | :) |
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| 14:14.07 | Richlv | where is data about k menu configuration stored ? |
| 14:14.09 | x_link | Jucato: You don't know anything else right? |
| 14:14.32 | Jucato | x_link: if I did, I would have told you :) |
| 14:14.37 | x_link | hehe ok |
| 14:14.38 | x_link | Thanks anyway |
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| 14:22.21 | pinotree | Sho_: ping |
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| 14:30.43 | Chani | heheheh. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2007062209235346 |
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| 14:58.56 | Sho_ | pinotree: pong |
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| 15:02.09 | michel | i would like to know how can i add menu entries to kde shutdown menu, like on this screenshot http://www.mrgreen.info/Foren/Beitraege/Bildschirmphoto2.png ? |
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| 15:03.19 | wolsni | michel: you need to tell KDM which bootloader you're using |
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| 15:03.49 | wolsni | kcontrol -> System Administration -> Login Manager |
| 15:04.52 | Sanne | Hi all, is it possible to assign a keyboard shortcut to a custom service menu function in konqueror? |
| 15:06.17 | wolsni | Sanne: i don't think so, you may want to look into "Input Actions" in the KDE control center |
| 15:06.32 | Sanne | wolsni: thank you, will do. |
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| 15:13.47 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/31111 |
| 15:13.53 | blinx | libtool: link: `cos/multimedia/kaffeine/src/player-parts/kaffeine-part/libkaffeinepart.la' is not a valid libtool archive |
| 15:13.59 | blinx | how I can fix that? |
| 15:14.11 | annma | compiling? |
| 15:14.43 | blinx | annma: right |
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| 15:15.12 | annma | blinx: you don't have libkaffeinepart.la |
| 15:15.19 | annma | where is your kaffeine from? |
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| 15:15.32 | blinx | svn |
| 15:15.39 | blinx | annma: the file exists |
| 15:15.54 | blinx | Revision 678919. |
| 15:16.11 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.18 | annma | see what it says |
| 15:16.26 | blinx | hrm |
| 15:16.28 | blinx | mom |
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| 15:17.09 | annma | why do you build kaffeine from svn? |
| 15:17.18 | blinx | there is a feature I need |
| 15:17.23 | blinx | timeline (epg) |
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| 15:17.31 | blinx | http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/multimedia/kaffeine/src/player-parts/kaffeine-part/ <- you see |
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| 15:17.39 | blinx | the file is nowhere |
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| 15:18.17 | annma | the .la is created blinx |
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| 15:18.38 | annma | taht's the purpose of comiling |
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| 15:18.54 | annma | compiling |
| 15:19.06 | blinx | annma: all files I need are in the svn, right? |
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| 15:19.52 | blinx | annma: what I have to do to fix my problem? |
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| 15:20.22 | Skrot | Hi. Which config file holds information about which style to use? |
| 15:20.28 | annma | no idea, I built it and it was fine |
| 15:20.49 | blinx | can be my error based on the qt version? |
| 15:20.54 | blinx | qt4 or qt3? |
| 15:21.09 | annma | it's qt3 for extragear blinx |
| 15:21.23 | wolsni | blinx: if you have the wrong qt version it should fail at the ./configure step |
| 15:21.39 | blinx | it didn't fail |
| 15:22.01 | annma | Skrot: maybe kcmstylerc, have a look |
| 15:22.02 | wolsni | Skrot: i think kdeglobals |
| 15:22.12 | annma | or kdeglobals, yes |
| 15:22.24 | Sanne | wolsni: wow, I didn't know about khotkeys, it seems very powerful. I will certainly find it very useful, so thank you again. :) |
| 15:22.34 | wolsni | Skrot: grep -i style ~/.kde/share/config/* |
| 15:22.54 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/31114 |
| 15:22.54 | blinx | my config.log |
| 15:22.55 | annma | grep is great, yes |
| 15:22.56 | wolsni | Sanne: good luck |
| 15:23.12 | blinx | hrm too long |
| 15:23.49 | blinx | http://dpaste.com/12746/ |
| 15:23.57 | blinx | there it is |
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| 15:24.14 | blinx | l 1778 |
| 15:24.26 | blinx | configure:30339: checking for Qt |
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| 15:24.33 | blinx | configure: 30404: /usr/lib/qt3/include/qstyle.h etc. |
| 15:24.36 | blinx | so qt3 |
| 15:24.59 | annma | the error is in no way related to qt |
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| 15:25.15 | blinx | where I have to search? |
| 15:26.11 | Skrot | wolsni: Can't seem to find it. Using KDE 4 btw |
| 15:26.29 | wolsni | Skrot: you're a developer? |
| 15:26.30 | annma | Skrot: what style? |
| 15:26.37 | blinx | hrm |
| 15:26.40 | Skrot | wolsni: sort of :) |
| 15:26.50 | annma | blinx: are you sure you're getting the correct path to kaffeine kde3? |
| 15:26.59 | wolsni | Skrot: maybe grep for the name of the style you're using then |
| 15:27.15 | blinx | annma: or need I kde4 ? |
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| 15:27.21 | annma | blinx: NO |
| 15:27.26 | annma | not at all |
| 15:27.41 | annma | blinx: who told you these are kaffeine sources? |
| 15:27.52 | annma | Skrot: what style are you using? |
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| 15:28.44 | Skrot | annma: I'm not quite sure. I've selected oxygen from the configuration dialog, but when I start new programs it appears to be some other style. If I start the apps from konsole they're using oxygen.. |
| 15:28.55 | Skrot | e.g start them from menu |
| 15:29.12 | blinx | annma: hftom in #kaffeine |
| 15:29.21 | blinx | the old svn changed to a newe |
| 15:29.22 | blinx | r |
| 15:29.37 | annma | blinx: ok then so ask them about the error |
| 15:29.40 | blinx | the old one has some error I couldn't fix so I asked him |
| 15:29.45 | blinx | annma: he has no idea |
| 15:29.52 | annma | Skrot: why do you say it's not oxygen? |
| 15:30.22 | annma | Skrot: maybe restyart kicker? |
| 15:30.29 | Skrot | ill try |
| 15:30.43 | Skrot | nope |
| 15:30.44 | annma | is it red? |
| 15:30.45 | Richlv | where is data about k menu configuration stored ? |
| 15:30.45 | blinx | annma: hm |
| 15:30.56 | blinx | annma: but it worked some weeks ago |
| 15:31.08 | Skrot | annma: I'm still using some other window decoration, I'm talking about the style :-) |
| 15:31.14 | annma | blinx: did you check it out? |
| 15:31.20 | Skrot | afaik the windec is the one that's red |
| 15:31.20 | annma | ok |
| 15:31.33 | annma | I use oxygen all the way |
| 15:31.35 | straw | Richlv: under ~/.config and ~/.local |
| 15:31.41 | annma | well red disapeeared |
| 15:31.48 | blinx | annma: yes |
| 15:31.56 | annma | blinx: are the sources new I mean? |
| 15:32.00 | annma | clean? |
| 15:32.09 | Skrot | annma: Would you mind grepping for 'oxygen' in your ~/.kde/share/config/*? |
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| 15:32.19 | annma | Skrot: ok |
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| 15:32.39 | blinx | annma: you said your compiling process works |
| 15:33.18 | annma | Skrot: /home/kde4/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals:widgetStyle=oxygen |
| 15:33.44 | annma | blinx: I did nto try after they've moved |
| 15:33.52 | blinx | hm |
| 15:33.56 | annma | blinx: if you already had trouble then you have something wrong |
| 15:34.17 | michel | wolsni: i already set grub as bootloader there |
| 15:34.20 | annma | Skrot: that's it |
| 15:34.21 | blinx | but what? |
| 15:34.33 | Skrot | annma: Could you check in that file under which section it should be? |
| 15:34.35 | blinx | the same is in the amarok svn |
| 15:34.41 | annma | blinx: what problem did you have previously? what kde3 distro is it? |
| 15:34.53 | annma | Skrot: let me check, yes |
| 15:34.54 | wolsni | michel: it doesn't take effect immediately, I forget whether you need to restart KDM or just log out |
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| 15:34.59 | annma | blinx: distro? |
| 15:35.10 | blinx | annma: http://paste.debian.net/31115 Distro: Debian 64 SID |
| 15:35.23 | blinx | you see |
| 15:35.24 | michel | wolsni: i put grub as bootloader some months ago ;) |
| 15:35.32 | blinx | there is a similar error in the amarok svn on my sys |
| 15:36.01 | blinx | this error was in the co of the old svn repo (kaffeine) |
| 15:36.07 | wolsni | michel: okay, and when you hold the Reboot button down it doesn't give you extra options? |
| 15:36.21 | michel | no ;( |
| 15:36.34 | annma | Skrot: [General] |
| 15:36.44 | Skrot | Thanks :-) |
| 15:37.04 | blinx | annma: strange |
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| 15:38.05 | annma | blinx: what amarok error was it? |
| 15:38.14 | michel | wolsni: i think i have to patch kde, but dont know which patch to use |
| 15:38.15 | nikolavp | is there a way to run oxygen icons in kde3.5.7 ? |
| 15:38.19 | blinx | why was? |
| 15:38.24 | blinx | the error is still there |
| 15:38.38 | annma | what error is it? |
| 15:38.40 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/31115 |
| 15:38.41 | blinx | amarokdcophandler.moc:12:2: error: #error "The header file 'amarokdcophandler.h' doesn't include <QObject>." |
| 15:38.46 | blinx | the first error message |
| 15:39.02 | blinx | something with qt |
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| 15:39.09 | blinx | I would guess |
| 15:39.10 | annma | what svn path? |
| 15:39.39 | blinx | http://amarok.kde.org/Install_Guide#BuildingSVNAmarok |
| 15:39.43 | annma | it's all in german |
| 15:39.51 | Richlv | straw, thanks. and shit :D - will have to restore them from automated backup. good thing i have them. |
| 15:40.00 | blinx | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/extragear/multimedia |
| 15:40.10 | blinx | +/amarok |
| 15:40.55 | annma | and does the header file include QObject? |
| 15:41.08 | blinx | no idea what that means |
| 15:41.16 | blinx | can you explain it me? |
| 15:41.22 | nikolavp | #include <QObject> should work i think :) |
| 15:41.54 | annma | that's kde4 |
| 15:41.58 | annma | qt4 |
| 15:42.23 | blinx | I have qt4 installed, too |
| 15:42.28 | annma | blinx: you should not build stuff |
| 15:43.04 | nikolavp | annma, well i think that this is the syntax for qt4(though i am not sure) |
| 15:43.14 | Skrot | annma: Btw, would check the same thing, just for windeco? |
| 15:43.37 | annma | nikolavp: yes but his source is for kde3 |
| 15:43.43 | aseigo | profoX`: i'm here now. though yes, usually email is a safer bet for contacting me |
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| 15:43.53 | nikolavp | annma, uh my mistake ;P |
| 15:44.05 | blinx | annma: I will remove the qt3 stuff, ok? |
| 15:44.07 | annma | Skrot: no idea really |
| 15:44.27 | Skrot | annma: Grepping for oxygen didn't reveal any other files containing relevant information? |
| 15:44.30 | nikolavp | blinx, qt3 should be in your system since most of the stuffs are not ported to qt4 |
| 15:44.42 | annma | Skrot: no, only that one |
| 15:44.47 | Skrot | okay |
| 15:45.16 | blinx | nikolavp: but how I can build kaffeine? amarok doesn't matter... |
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| 15:45.30 | nikolavp | blinx, u said u are on debian |
| 15:45.37 | blinx | right |
| 15:45.40 | nikolavp | why would u want to build stuffs on that distro :) |
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| 15:46.04 | blinx | nikolavp: I need a feature in kaffeine which is only in the latest svn |
| 15:46.36 | nikolavp | most of the time u can check another program, like mplayer(kmplayer) |
| 15:46.43 | nikolavp | but what is the problem with kaffeine ? |
| 15:46.59 | blinx | nothing with kaffeine |
| 15:47.01 | nikolavp | since i have some time to kill :P |
| 15:47.05 | blinx | only with the compiling process |
| 15:47.17 | nikolavp | well what does it say ?:) |
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| 15:47.52 | blinx | nikolavp: http://dpaste.com/12746/ - configure log |
| 15:48.16 | blinx | http://dpaste.com/12730/ - make error |
| 15:48.33 | blinx | no wait |
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| 15:50.21 | blinx | nikolavp: http://dpaste.com/12748/ <- the actual error |
| 15:50.30 | blinx | /bin/sed: can't read cos/multimedia/kaffeine/src/player-parts/kaffeine-part/libkaffeinepart.la: No such file or directory |
| 15:50.34 | blinx | libtool: link: `cos/multimedia/kaffeine/src/player-parts/kaffeine-part/libkaffeinepart.la' is not a valid libtool archive |
| 15:50.44 | nikolavp | nah :) |
| 15:50.46 | nikolavp | kaffeinepart.moc:12:2: error: #error "The header file 'kaffeinepart.h' doesn't include <QObject>." |
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| 15:51.00 | blinx | nikolavp: forget the old error |
| 15:51.03 | nikolavp | put #include <QObject> on the most of that file |
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| 15:51.26 | blinx | where in what for a file? |
| 15:51.32 | blinx | ah |
| 15:51.32 | blinx | mom |
| 15:52.04 | nikolavp | in kaffeinepart.h |
| 15:52.15 | nikolavp | then type make again ;) |
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| 15:53.12 | blinx | nikolavp: no luck http://dpaste.com/12750/ |
| 15:53.47 | blinx | I will do a make clean |
| 15:53.49 | blinx | one moment |
| 15:53.52 | nikolavp | no |
| 15:53.55 | nikolavp | no need of make clean |
| 15:54.02 | nikolavp | just post more information |
| 15:54.10 | nikolavp | i cant tell u anything from that :P |
| 15:54.44 | blinx | http://dpaste.com/12751/ <- everything from the stdout |
| 15:55.13 | blinx | what do you want for information? |
| 15:55.30 | nikolavp | well that doesnt tell me anything :) |
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| 15:56.06 | nikolavp | do make clean and check again if that is the whole stdout u get :) |
| 15:57.05 | Korthrun | When I run amarok it just hangs, nothing actually opens. strace shows it doing this forever: waitpid(20888, 0xbf916e1c, WNOHANG) = 0; nanosleep({0, 100000}, NULL) = 0; gentoo, not running kde. kdelibs 3.5.5 Any ideas? |
| 15:57.07 | profoX` | aseigo: oh hey! I watched your screencast again, and it became clear what Phase is in relation to Animators |
| 15:57.39 | blinx | nikolavp: http://dpaste.com/12752/ |
| 15:57.53 | aseigo | profoX`: great =) |
| 15:58.25 | aseigo | profoX`: note that i didn't show whole item animations which take only 1 line of code; the element aims take 3-4 |
| 15:59.13 | blinx | nikolavp: http://dpaste.com/12753/ |
| 15:59.16 | aseigo | profoX`: and yes, to answer your earlier question... phase lets us manage the animations from one place in plasma so instead of everyone doing their own (likely inconsistent effects) we can ensure they are consistent |
| 15:59.41 | blinx | nikolavp: and now make http://dpaste.com/12754/ |
| 15:59.52 | profoX` | aseigo: yes, I think that is a very good idea to have a list of animation types and let the actual animation be handled by phase.. very smart |
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| 16:00.21 | blinx | nikolavp: http://dpaste.com/12755/ |
| 16:00.34 | blinx | nikolavp: is something wrong with the kaffeinepart.h ? |
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| 16:02.56 | nikolavp | blinx, :) |
| 16:03.05 | nikolavp | try putting the #include <QObject |
| 16:03.09 | Korthrun | I'm gonna snap if I end up putting a reboot into this troubleshooting process =/ |
| 16:03.14 | nikolavp | after the ifndefine;define;endif |
| 16:03.17 | nikolavp | statement :P |
| 16:03.45 | nikolavp | i mean that: |
| 16:03.49 | nikolavp | #ifndef KAFFEINEPART_H |
| 16:03.49 | nikolavp | #define KAFFEINEPART_H |
| 16:03.59 | nikolavp | try putting it after and do make clean;make |
| 16:04.03 | blinx | nikolavp: at the last line? |
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| 16:04.20 | blinx | ah no |
| 16:04.59 | blinx | nikolavp: I already tried that |
| 16:05.03 | blinx | the same error |
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| 16:05.27 | ferronica | my ktorrent crashing everytime |
| 16:05.44 | Korthrun | ok srsy, why does amarok run fine for root but not me |
| 16:05.48 | blinx | nikolavp: is this the right order now? http://dpaste.com/12756/ |
| 16:05.54 | nikolavp | ferronica, what version ? |
| 16:06.13 | nikolavp | blinx, yes, try like this. |
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| 16:07.38 | ferronica | K Desktop Environment Release 3.5.6 |
| 16:08.01 | blinx | nikolavp: no, sorry the same error |
| 16:08.05 | blinx | nothing changed |
| 16:08.19 | nikolavp | ferronica, ktorrent -v |
| 16:08.28 | nikolavp | blinx, can u paste the error please |
| 16:08.33 | nikolavp | just the whole make output ;) |
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| 16:08.41 | nikolavp | i dont need the configure because it is too huge :D |
| 16:08.48 | ferronica | nikolavp: on terminal |
| 16:08.53 | nikolavp | yes |
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| 16:09.25 | ferronica | nikolavp: Qt: 3.3.7 |
| 16:09.25 | ferronica | KDE: 3.5.6 |
| 16:09.25 | ferronica | KTorrent: 2.1 |
| 16:09.41 | nikolavp | ferronica, there was a bad error in ktorrent 2.1 :) |
| 16:09.44 | nikolavp | which i can remember :D |
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| 16:10.07 | nikolavp | 2.2 is working flawessly here. |
| 16:10.13 | ferronica | nikolavp: so what to do now |
| 16:10.32 | nikolavp | ferronica, u can build the torrent from the official repo or wait a little bit |
| 16:10.35 | nikolavp | what is your distro ? |
| 16:10.42 | nikolavp | and what ktorrent --debug output to u :) |
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| 16:11.20 | ferronica | nikolavp: i am using ubuntu 7.04 |
| 16:12.05 | ferronica | KTorrent: i am using Ktorrent 2.1 |
| 16:12.21 | DrSlump | hello to everyone |
| 16:12.25 | ferronica | KTorrent: and there is bug in 2.1 right ? |
| 16:12.28 | DrSlump | please someone can help me? |
| 16:12.31 | nikolavp | ferronica, ktorrent --debug ;) |
| 16:12.33 | DrSlump | it's important.. |
| 16:12.40 | nikolavp | ferronica, not sure what was that bug :) |
| 16:13.00 | nikolavp | i havent traced on it, but i can tell u that 2.2 was a huge jump in the crashing issue :) |
| 16:13.05 | ferronica | KTorrent: how to upgrade to 2.2 ? |
| 16:13.19 | nikolavp | ferronica, u can check the official repos :) |
| 16:13.25 | nikolavp | and compile but i dont recommend that |
| 16:13.29 | DrSlump | i need to remove grub, becouse it doesn't let me to enter to windows and the linux installation is corrupted |
| 16:13.31 | nikolavp | waiting a little bit will be ok :) |
| 16:13.31 | blinx | nikolavp: http://dpaste.com/12757/ |
| 16:13.44 | Korthrun | Any ideas why amarok would run fine for root, but juts hang for a non privileged user? |
| 16:14.15 | ferronica | KTorrent: official repo means k-toorent website ??? |
| 16:14.46 | Sho_ | 2.1.4 resolves the crashing problems |
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| 16:15.17 | nikolavp | Sho_, i can remember that u was the one that told me that :) |
| 16:15.20 | nikolavp | upgrading solved :d |
| 16:15.29 | Sho_ | :) |
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| 16:16.03 | ferronica | KTorrent: what you use ??? |
| 16:16.12 | nikolavp | blinx, i think u should try #include <qobject.h> |
| 16:16.12 | blinx | nikolavp: I will go crazy |
| 16:16.14 | nikolavp | instead of that :) |
| 16:16.24 | nikolavp | my mistake i thought u are using qt4 for that :O |
| 16:16.43 | nikolavp | replace <QObject> with <qobject.h> |
| 16:16.44 | nikolavp | :) |
| 16:16.48 | blinx | nikolavp: hey it works |
| 16:16.55 | blinx | nikolavp: THANK YOU! |
| 16:17.12 | ferronica | KTorrent: i am trying to remove one torrent from k-torrent it showing me bug problem |
| 16:18.15 | markey | Korthrun: wrong file permissions maybe |
| 16:18.17 | blinx | nikolavp: next step: http://dpaste.com/12758/ |
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| 16:18.47 | markey | Korthrun: start "amarokapp" from the shell, and check the output |
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| 16:19.32 | Korthrun | markey: it wasn't giving any output. I sure didn't pull strace output out of the air |
| 16:19.39 | Korthrun | turns out dcop fialed to clean up after itself |
| 16:19.44 | Korthrun | had to rm ~/.DCOPserver_korf__0 |
| 16:19.45 | blinx | nikolavp: I love this things |
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| 16:19.48 | markey | aha |
| 16:19.55 | nikolavp | blinx, for that i have no idea |
| 16:20.04 | nikolavp | u should look really deep in that i think |
| 16:20.10 | nikolavp | because one of the libs is not found :) |
| 16:20.19 | nikolavp | and i am not the god of those issues :P |
| 16:20.22 | nikolavp | chek #kde-dev |
| 16:20.25 | nikolavp | check* |
| 16:21.17 | ferronica | nikolavp: i am trying to remove one torrent from k-torrent it showing me bug problem |
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| 16:22.15 | pip | I have a question about k3b |
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| 16:22.20 | nikolavp | ferronica, i couldnt understand that, can u say it another way please? |
| 16:22.22 | pip | anyone who can help me ? |
| 16:22.27 | nikolavp | pip, just ask :d |
| 16:22.33 | Skrot- | pip: just ask |
| 16:22.58 | pip | when I start it ,it shows a windows saying "***** will not run in root privileges" |
| 16:23.08 | pip | so how to set that ? |
| 16:23.19 | ferronica | nikolavp: sure |
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| 16:23.33 | anisfarhana | p |
| 16:23.39 | nikolavp | pip, there is a wizard for that |
| 16:23.44 | Skrot- | pip: Do you have k3b setup or something similar (bit not the one called configure k3b) in the settings menu? |
| 16:23.46 | nikolavp | i think u can override the options from settings :) |
| 16:23.54 | nikolavp | ^)^ |
| 16:23.56 | Skrot- | yupp |
| 16:24.09 | pip | yeah,I have opened it |
| 16:24.10 | nikolavp | it is in system btw here (Gentoo 2007) |
| 16:24.14 | pip | which card ? |
| 16:24.42 | blinx | nikolavp: there is no one in the #kde-dev |
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| 16:25.13 | ferronica | nikolavp: i have just added one torrent , after that when i trying to remove it from K-torrent because K-torrent not working because of bug. It took me to the KDE crash handler window |
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| 16:25.32 | nikolavp | ferronica, ps aux | grep ktorrent |
| 16:25.36 | nikolavp | does it back any process |
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| 16:26.10 | Skrot- | blinx: #kde-devel |
| 16:26.24 | ferronica | nikolavp: what ?? |
| 16:26.37 | pip | Skrot-, could you tell which one is to set ? |
| 16:26.40 | odla | is there a gui in kde so that i can find whether or not my distro is using both of my processors? |
| 16:26.46 | Skrot- | pip: I acctually don't know |
| 16:27.36 | ferronica | nikolavp; should i send you back trace |
| 16:28.17 | nikolavp | ferronica, it is useless :) |
| 16:28.21 | nikolavp | u dont have debug symbols :D |
| 16:28.35 | nikolavp | + they fixed it ;p |
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| 16:29.00 | ferronica | nikolavp; http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26750/ |
| 16:29.26 | ferronica | nikolavp; please check :( |
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| 16:36.18 | pip | nikolavp,how to show menubar within k3b ? |
| 16:37.14 | nikolavp | ferronica, well it is useless :) |
| 16:37.20 | nikolavp | just see how many ?? do u have there |
| 16:37.29 | nikolavp | + i am not a mantainer of ktorrent :P |
| 16:37.35 | nikolavp | + if i was u should compile it from source :D |
| 16:37.48 | nikolavp | and if u could do that u would have taken the official sources :D |
| 16:37.57 | nikolavp | which are version 2.2 i think now ;P |
| 16:38.10 | nikolavp | i think that u can delete the torrent |
| 16:38.20 | nikolavp | u want to take off and end with that |
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| 16:52.47 | Chani | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.05 | pinotree | no |
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| 16:56.10 | Chani | no? not at all? :( |
| 16:56.17 | Chani | meh, this isn't fair |
| 16:56.36 | Chani | frigging firefox is doing better at all the chinese stuff, but I don't wanna use it! |
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| 16:57.48 | Chani | babelfish "translation" of websites is amusing, but not actually usable |
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| 16:57.58 | Chani | argh! :P |
| 16:58.27 | MinceR | sometimes it's usable |
| 16:59.04 | Chani | not like this plugin |
| 16:59.49 | Chani | it shows translations for individual words on hover. it's pretty, and useful, and is only for firefox! :( |
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| 17:00.08 | Chani | and I still can't use gmail in konq, although I got kmail working again so I don't care as much |
| 17:00.17 | Chani | and then there's the foxyproxy plugin too |
| 17:00.36 | Sho_ | Chani: Firefox' extensibility mechanism relies on the fact that they use their web engine to power their toolkit; the interface is largely written in XML and JavaScript. It's also aspect oriented, i.e. a bundle/extension can overlay and extend the main interface. And the extensions have powerful interfaces to the document in the viewport. Konqueror's extension system is fairly limited in comparison, unfortunately. |
| 17:00.38 | Chani | whereas konq is limited to only connecting to one proxy and it has to be a http proxy |
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| 17:03.04 | MinceR | at least konq isn't so damned slow |
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| 17:07.21 | netsurf3 | hey kde people. my windows logo key does not always seem to work. does anyone know why this might be? |
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| 17:07.56 | MinceR | in what cases does it work and what cases doesn't it work? |
| 17:08.04 | pip | windows logo key ? |
| 17:08.06 | netsurf3 | yeah |
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| 17:08.17 | pip | what is it ? |
| 17:08.31 | netsurf3 | the one near the ctrl and alt key |
| 17:08.44 | pip | ah |
| 17:08.46 | Sho_ | pip: Some keyboards released in the Western hemisphere feature a key with the Windows logo on it |
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| 17:09.04 | MinceR | it's nice to have but a less evil logo on it would be most welcome. |
| 17:09.12 | netsurf3 | MinceR, i am not sure what makes it start and stop |
| 17:09.16 | Sho_ | MinceR: It needs a gearkey |
| 17:09.16 | Sho_ | :) |
| 17:09.17 | ferronica | nikolavp; so what to do now ??? |
| 17:09.40 | nikolavp | ferronica, wait i will find a deb for u ;) |
| 17:09.43 | nikolavp | just a second :O |
| 17:09.53 | MinceR | netsurf3: so the same key combinations sometimes work and sometimes don't? |
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| 17:10.09 | netsurf3 | MinceR, no the key is sometimes working and other times it is dead |
| 17:10.21 | nikolavp | http://ktorrent.org/index.php?page=downloads |
| 17:10.24 | nikolavp | ferronica, here u are :) |
| 17:10.30 | MinceR | do you switch keyboard layouts or something? |
| 17:10.35 | netsurf3 | no |
| 17:10.35 | ferronica | nikolavp; okay, ubuntu wont give update release for ktorrent |
| 17:10.36 | nikolavp | it wasnt that hard u could have found it yourself.... |
| 17:10.44 | pip | nikolavp, how is ktorrent ? amazing ? |
| 17:10.44 | nikolavp | ferronica, check that :) |
| 17:10.52 | ferronica | nikolavp; okay, |
| 17:11.02 | nikolavp | ferronica, download the rc1 version |
| 17:11.08 | nikolavp | and do dpkg -i "the file" as root |
| 17:11.19 | nikolavp | pip, ?:) |
| 17:11.24 | ferronica | nikolavp; what is that ? |
| 17:11.32 | nikolavp | what is what ?:) |
| 17:11.32 | pip | azureus is great |
| 17:11.36 | nikolavp | hxahxhxah |
| 17:11.40 | nikolavp | azureus sucks |
| 17:11.42 | netsurf3 | MinceR, i am wondering if this is a xorg issue |
| 17:11.45 | pip | :S |
| 17:11.46 | pip | why ? |
| 17:11.47 | ferronica | nikolavp; ubuntu wont give me update automatically ? |
| 17:11.49 | MinceR | might be |
| 17:11.52 | netsurf3 | but that wouldnt explain it intermittancy |
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| 17:12.11 | nikolavp | ferronica, i thought u dont have those in the repos ?:) |
| 17:12.19 | MinceR | azureus is a horrible resource hog |
| 17:12.23 | netsurf3 | agreed |
| 17:12.26 | pinotree | of course, it's java |
| 17:12.36 | nikolavp | java is not always such a hog |
| 17:12.37 | nikolavp | :) |
| 17:12.39 | MinceR | it's java at it's finest at wasting memory |
| 17:13.03 | netsurf3 | MinceR, if you want to see resorce hod have a look at the mercury.to nice program but so slow no matter the system |
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| 17:13.39 | MinceR | mercury, the revision control system? |
| 17:14.03 | netsurf3 | nahh |
| 17:14.04 | pip | MinceR, you are right |
| 17:14.06 | netsurf3 | merucry messenger |
| 17:14.16 | MinceR | never heard of it |
| 17:14.17 | Sho_ | MinceR: that'd be "Mercurial" |
| 17:14.18 | netsurf3 | big fullfeatured msn clien |
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| 17:14.21 | MinceR | oh. |
| 17:14.22 | pip | MinceR, But it is portable |
| 17:14.30 | Sho_ | MinceR: but of course git ftw! ;) |
| 17:14.31 | MinceR | i use bitlbee for m$n |
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| 17:14.44 | netsurf3 | i like pidgon |
| 17:15.03 | pip | netsurf3, recommended ? |
| 17:15.25 | netsurf3 | pip, which program are we talking about? |
| 17:15.25 | pip | vote |
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| 17:15.44 | pip | torrent |
| 17:15.48 | netsurf3 | ohh |
| 17:15.52 | netsurf3 | i like ktorrent |
| 17:15.55 | MinceR | pip: rtorrent :> |
| 17:16.02 | netsurf3 | especially the blacklist feature |
| 17:16.11 | MinceR | in screen, on a headless server |
| 17:16.17 | MinceR | that's always running |
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| 17:16.20 | pip | MinceR, , rtorrent ? |
| 17:16.53 | pip | which is fastest and uses less momery |
| 17:17.10 | pip | let me check |
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| 17:18.23 | Kyral_Laptop | ktorrent is sexy |
| 17:18.28 | Kyral_Laptop | WebAdmin plugin++ |
| 17:18.29 | pip | :O |
| 17:18.40 | pip | I am going to download it |
| 17:18.43 | netsurf3 | and has a schedualing tool |
| 17:18.52 | MinceR | rtorrent has only a ncurses ui |
| 17:18.52 | netsurf3 | so you control when to download :D |
| 17:18.53 | Kyral_Laptop | and can play nice with uTorrent |
| 17:19.02 | pip | yeah,very impressive |
| 17:19.16 | Kyral_Laptop | Its come very far in a year |
| 17:19.22 | pip | uTorrent ? |
| 17:19.27 | Kyral_Laptop | ktorrent |
| 17:19.29 | pip | and other prefix ? |
| 17:19.43 | pip | k,r,u,and ... ? |
| 17:19.57 | MinceR | s,a,d,e,r :> |
| 17:20.02 | pip | :o |
| 17:20.24 | netsurf3 | MinceR, heres one i wanted to know for a long long time. you have a pc on at home with x running etc and ssh. you need to access a program running in that X session from a remote location. what can you do to access it? |
| 17:20.32 | netsurf3 | vnc isnt enabled |
| 17:20.36 | netsurf3 | but it is installed |
| 17:20.47 | Kyral_Laptop | well, technically the u in uTorrent is a lowercase greek letter Nu |
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| 17:23.00 | nikolavp | ferronica, what happend with ktorrent ? |
| 17:23.53 | MinceR | netsurf3: dunno, i don't run x on my server |
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| 17:24.16 | netsurf3 | bummer |
| 17:24.22 | MinceR | netsurf3: though there was something for kde that i suspected it allows taking over an existing x session -- i might be wrong about that |
| 17:25.22 | nikolavp | yeah i am sure there was too but cant remember the name |
| 17:25.29 | nikolavp | it should come with the meta package :O |
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| 17:26.47 | netsurf3 | hmm |
| 17:26.57 | netsurf3 | well my keyboard layout is correct |
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| 17:27.03 | netsurf3 | just counted my keys |
| 17:27.44 | MinceR | lol |
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| 17:28.34 | ferronica | nikolavp; K-torrent wont working fine |
| 17:28.48 | nikolavp | ? |
| 17:28.57 | nikolavp | how did u get to that ? |
| 17:28.58 | ferronica | nikolavp; some bug problem showing . |
| 17:29.12 | nikolavp | well did u upgraded to 2.2 ? |
| 17:29.41 | ferronica | nikolavp; no not yet |
| 17:29.57 | nikolavp | well download the ubuntu package from the site |
| 17:30.02 | nikolavp | or update from the repos |
| 17:30.04 | nikolavp | if u can ... |
| 17:30.31 | ferronica | nikolavp; ubuntu will show me pop up when new update available |
| 17:30.47 | nikolavp | ferronica, apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 17:31.01 | nikolavp | then do ktorrent -v and if it show 2.1 u can update manually |
| 17:31.09 | nikolavp | with the deb package from the site... |
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| 17:32.17 | Kyral_Laptop | offhand.. |
| 17:32.24 | Kyral_Laptop | isn't there a KDE4 liveCD? |
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| 17:33.34 | xororand | there is one from opensuse |
| 17:33.54 | Kyral_Laptop | nm found it |
| 17:34.04 | Kyral_Laptop | but the DL link is busted |
| 17:34.16 | Kyral_Laptop | nm.. |
| 17:34.19 | Kyral_Laptop | that was wierd |
| 17:34.29 | ferronica | nikolavp; Qt: 3.3.7 |
| 17:34.30 | ferronica | KDE: 3.5.6 |
| 17:34.30 | ferronica | KTorrent: 2.1 |
| 17:34.44 | nikolavp | ferronica, download the package from the site |
| 17:34.46 | ferronica | nikolavp; i am using ubuntu 7.04 GNOME |
| 17:34.48 | nikolavp | for your version |
| 17:35.02 | nikolavp | i am not familiar with those 7.04 versions :) |
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| 17:35.22 | ferronica | nikolavp; site LINK ? |
| 17:35.24 | nikolavp | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.28 | xororand | is any 3d desktop window manager already capable of showing the size of terminal windows while resizing them? |
| 17:35.34 | nikolavp | which one should 7.04 be :P |
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| 17:35.40 | ferronica | nikolavp; Feisty Fawn |
| 17:35.41 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Try out KVM if you have a CPU with VTX |
| 17:35.49 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: Nope! :P |
| 17:35.55 | nikolavp | and u are using amd or i386 |
| 17:35.56 | Sho_ | xororand: Yes, kwin ;) |
| 17:35.59 | nikolavp | architecture ?:) |
| 17:36.07 | Kyral_Laptop | Whats KVM (aside from a Keyboard/Video/Monitor switch) |
| 17:36.15 | xororand | Sho_: oh, kwin now has 3D capabilities? :) |
| 17:36.18 | xororand | very nice |
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| 17:36.36 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: The virtualization technology built into newer versions of the Linux kernel (using a slightly modified Qemu as frontend) |
| 17:36.44 | Kyral_Laptop | O_O |
| 17:36.51 | Kyral_Laptop | How would I use said VT if I had it |
| 17:36.57 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: What's your CPU? |
| 17:37.06 | Sho_ | xororand: Yes, in the development version (i.e. what will be KDE4) |
| 17:37.09 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: A really friggin' wierd model |
| 17:37.16 | Kyral_Laptop | Its listed as a T2060 |
| 17:37.21 | Kyral_Laptop | but its NOT a Core Duo |
| 17:37.36 | nikolavp | ferronica, i386 or amd ? |
| 17:37.37 | Kyral_Laptop | I don't have the vtx flag in /proc/cpuinfo anyway |
| 17:37.39 | xororand | Sho_: that's the one feature that kept me away from 3D stuff so far. good to hear it'll be available soon |
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| 17:38.00 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: If it's not a Core 2 or a socket AM2 Athlon 64, it's too old -- gotta stick to Qemu+KQemu, then |
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| 17:38.28 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: I'm curious b/c I'm probably gonna upgrade my desktop to a C2D at the end of summer |
| 17:38.44 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: try running: egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:39.08 | Sho_ | Any output? :-) |
| 17:39.10 | nikolavp | C2D ? |
| 17:39.11 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: I have neither |
| 17:39.13 | nikolavp | what is that ?:) |
| 17:39.18 | Kyral_Laptop | I checked manually :P |
| 17:39.22 | Sho_ | nikolavp: "Core 2 Duo", a line of CPUs from Intel |
| 17:39.40 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: I'm just curious so I don't have to bug people later |
| 17:40.33 | Kyral_Laptop | hmm can I load Qemu without a making a HD image? :P |
| 17:40.50 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Recent CPUs by Intel and AMD feature hardware extensions that make it easier to implement speedy virtualization on them. The KVM technology inside the Linux kernel leverages that together with a slightly modified Qemu as frontend to offer fast virtualization capabilities. |
| 17:41.00 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: I know all about VT |
| 17:41.04 | Kyral_Laptop | I work Xen on my server |
| 17:41.12 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Which I use for http://www.eikehein.com/vms.png ;) |
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| 17:41.24 | Kyral_Laptop | I meant literally what commands do I use to activate it if I had VT on my CPU :P |
| 17:41.56 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: If you want to boot without a HDD image, just leave out -hda and use --cdrom /path/to/image --boot d |
| 17:42.02 | Kyral_Laptop | mkay |
| 17:42.08 | Kyral_Laptop | thats what I thought |
| 17:42.15 | ferronica | nikolavp; i386 |
| 17:42.25 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: You don't need to use any commands to activate it. It's an extension to the instruction set architecture of the CPU. |
| 17:42.41 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: Then how would I load a guest OS in the OS? :P |
| 17:42.45 | nikolavp | ferronica, wget http://ktorrent.org/downloads/2.2rc1/ktorrent_2.2~rc1-0ubuntu1~7.04prevu1_i386.deb |
| 17:42.57 | nikolavp | and then install it |
| 17:42.58 | nikolavp | :) |
| 17:43.01 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: The same way you're doing right now |
| 17:43.12 | Kyral_Laptop | ...so it basically makes Qemu much faster |
| 17:43.17 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: As I said, KVM uses a slightly modified Qemu as frontend (those changes will eventually be merged upstream) |
| 17:43.19 | ferronica | nikolavp; in sources.list paste ? |
| 17:43.21 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: yup, that's the bottom line |
| 17:43.25 | nikolavp | no ferronica |
| 17:43.28 | nikolavp | just type that |
| 17:43.33 | Kyral_Laptop | I was thinking it was like built in Xen |
| 17:43.34 | nikolavp | wget -c http://ktorrent.org/downloads/2.2rc1/ktorrent_2.2~rc1-0ubuntu1~7.04prevu1_i386.deb |
| 17:43.36 | ferronica | nikolavp; then |
| 17:44.04 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: In particular there's also an implementation of hardware-assisted paravirtualization in KVM, so Linux-in-Linux is particularly and impressively fast |
| 17:44.25 | nikolavp | Sho_, have u tryed the kvm options in the kernel ? |
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| 17:44.34 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Well KVM does do some things that plain Qemu doesn't, such as live session migration and so on |
| 17:44.39 | Kyral_Laptop | Sho_: Bottom line its like a massive speed boost to QEMU :P |
| 17:44.44 | Kyral_Laptop | right? |
| 17:44.47 | nikolavp | and is it really faster than a simple kqemu module :) |
| 17:44.52 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: And RedHat/Fedora's Virtual Machine Monitor can manage KVM VMs fairly well, I'm told |
| 17:45.12 | ferronica | nikolavp; why ubuntu not updating k-torrent??? |
| 17:45.18 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Bottom line is that it is easy to use, well-performing off-the-shelf virtualization that will likely emerge as the one standard on Linux over time |
| 17:45.24 | nikolavp | ferronica, ask them not me :) |
| 17:45.25 | Kyral_Laptop | Maybe |
| 17:45.27 | ferronica | nikolavp; this process is manuall |
| 17:45.28 | Kyral_Laptop | Xen is sexy :P |
| 17:45.30 | nikolavp | i am not part of their developers :d |
| 17:45.36 | nikolavp | ferronica, yes |
| 17:45.42 | nikolavp | did u downloaded the file ? |
| 17:45.56 | nikolavp | lol ktorrent have rss feed plugin :) |
| 17:45.59 | Kyral_Laptop | hmm the Arch doesn't ship with it |
| 17:46.00 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: Not really. See http://udrepper.livejournal.com/15795.html |
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| 17:46.44 | ferronica | nikolavp; any problem doing manually upgrade |
| 17:47.21 | nikolavp | ferronica, ??? |
| 17:47.26 | nikolavp | we will now see lol :d |
| 17:47.32 | nikolavp | did u downloaded the file ?:) |
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| 17:48.03 | ferronica | nikolavp; installing manually application is okay ??? |
| 17:48.29 | Kyral_Laptop | Simple enough to hack Arch's config |
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| 17:52.25 | nikolavp | ferronica, yes with deb package it is |
| 17:52.37 | nikolavp | ferronica, do dpkg -i ktorrent* |
| 17:52.51 | nikolavp | in the same directory u did the "wget -c" command |
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| 17:52.56 | nikolavp | as root of course ... |
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| 17:54.31 | ferronica | nikolavp; installing manually k-Torrent will creat problem??? |
| 17:56.34 | nikolavp | ferronica, it should not make problem at all |
| 17:58.11 | nikolavp | is there a way to filter all IP's except those from 192.168.0.0/16 networks |
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| 17:58.15 | nikolavp | with ktorrent ?? |
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| 17:58.32 | matthias | hi |
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| 17:58.45 | matthias | where can i find the kde 4 support channel? |
| 17:59.05 | nikolavp | matthias, kde-devel |
| 17:59.18 | Kyral_Laptop | kde4-devel |
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| 17:59.28 | Sho_ | matthias: User support is done here |
| 17:59.29 | matthias | thank u kindly |
| 17:59.41 | matthias | no i just have some questions |
| 17:59.45 | Kibou | hmm |
| 17:59.53 | matthias | about kde4 and it's performance |
| 17:59.58 | Sho_ | matthias: Unless they're development related, ask them here |
| 18:00.06 | matthias | okay |
| 18:00.08 | Kibou | will kde4 feature per application proxy settings? |
| 18:00.21 | Chani | oh, proxies |
| 18:00.55 | Chani | Kibou: I know there is a signifigant rewrite oplanned for kde 4.1 - but I don't know what features will be added. I just know that socks and kio should finally get along |
| 18:00.57 | matthias | so i read that the qt 30% less performance asking/hogging |
| 18:01.31 | matthias | i mean the new QT |
| 18:01.42 | Kibou | hm.. ok |
| 18:02.03 | matthias | will kde4 then use less rescources compared with kde3 |
| 18:02.06 | Tm_T | matthias: QuickTime? |
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| 18:02.11 | Sho_ | matthias: No. |
| 18:02.22 | matthias | equal? |
| 18:02.38 | Sho_ | matthias: Hopefully. Possibly more. Times move on, you know. |
| 18:02.40 | Chani | probably depends on what features you enable |
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| 18:02.56 | matthias | yes well thx i think thats it |
| 18:02.58 | Sho_ | matthias: I.e. such percentage numbers are pretty meaningless, that's a too simple way to look at things. |
| 18:03.23 | Chani | plasma guys keep talk of being able to set optimal settings for network vs local vs really-powerful-machine |
| 18:03.28 | Sho_ | matthias: Qt4 is certainly more resource efficient at many things, but users also demand more sophisticated graphics now, resulting in a heavier reliance on e.g. decent XRender acceleration by the graphics driver |
| 18:03.30 | matthias | yeah i know i was just intrested because kde3 uses too much rescources compared to gnome |
| 18:03.37 | Tm_T | well, I expect that you survive with less when KDE4 is in use, but you could easily use more (: |
| 18:03.46 | Chani | where "really-powerful-machine" probably just means anything better than my poor old comps ;) |
| 18:03.50 | aseigo | Sho_: what's that all based on exactly? |
| 18:03.58 | Tm_T | matthias: er? |
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| 18:04.39 | Sho_ | matthias: According to our numbers, KDE3 uses less resources than Gnome, with each in their standard configuration: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html |
| 18:04.49 | Sho_ | matthias: Note that the resource usage of distribution desktops may vary wildely |
| 18:04.53 | matthias | i dont feel this |
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| 18:05.20 | matthias | when im running kde3 not tuned standard settings no programs running |
| 18:05.41 | matthias | i use 500mb ram |
| 18:05.53 | Tm_T | use or have? |
| 18:05.54 | pinotree | try opening OpenOffice.org, or firefox |
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| 18:06.05 | pinotree | and see that the used ram doubles |
| 18:06.10 | matthias | and when running gnome even with firefox, rythmbox and beryl i still use 350mb of ram |
| 18:06.20 | matthias | use |
| 18:06.29 | matthias | Tm_t: use |
| 18:06.45 | Tm_T | how the... |
| 18:06.50 | matthias | dont u guys think this is strange? |
| 18:06.55 | Sho_ | matthias: You might want to read http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/analysis.html wrt/ popular pitfalls when trying to measure memory usage |
| 18:07.03 | Tm_T | I have heavy system, and I use only 130 MB after start |
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| 18:07.32 | Tm_T | and under heavy use, like now, less than 600 MB |
| 18:07.38 | Chani | matthias: ram usage means very little these days, with all the caching and sharing and whatnot |
| 18:08.15 | matthias | would increasing my swapinnes reduce my ram usage? |
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| 18:08.37 | matthias | i find this important because im a real WINE gamers |
| 18:08.39 | matthias | gamer |
| 18:09.12 | Tm_T | swap? :O |
| 18:09.19 | Tm_T | oh, right, I got that too |
| 18:09.29 | Tm_T | saves when have memleaks |
| 18:09.29 | matthias | actually the only reason i didn't switched over to gnome is that i configure every kde app very deep |
| 18:09.36 | pinotree | and i'm a real KDE developer, that up to one month ago had only 523mb ram + 512mb swap, and almost able to gdb some kde4 applications |
| 18:09.41 | matthias | ktorrent, k3b, etc |
| 18:10.00 | matthias | gdb? |
| 18:10.01 | Tm_T | matthias: hum, how about starting clean session? |
| 18:10.12 | matthias | that doesnt do much |
| 18:10.13 | Chani | matthias: ram used for caching isn't really "used" in that sense... if some other progam needs it it can take it |
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| 18:10.49 | matthias | is there a way to decrease my ram usage by kde3 when for example gaming |
| 18:11.49 | straw | matthias: read what Chani is saying. you don't need to worry about it |
| 18:11.51 | Chani | matthias: I don't really see how that would help... |
| 18:12.52 | matthias | im just asking |
| 18:13.38 | matthias | because sometimes when i'm trough doing my things (reading news, writing articles, ...etc) i want to game |
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| 18:14.05 | Chani | matthias: one thing that might be useful, maybe, is that powertop program - it's meant to find programs that are draining laptop battteries excessively, but hey, it might identify ones that would impair performance in a more general way, I dunno |
| 18:14.07 | matthias | but mostly i have to restart X to have enough memory to game |
| 18:14.15 | Chani | o.0 |
| 18:14.21 | Chani | your games run out of memory? |
| 18:14.26 | straw | sigh... |
| 18:14.41 | matthias | i play windows games using wine |
| 18:14.41 | Sho_ | matthias: Which you measure how? |
| 18:14.59 | matthias | i measure my ram usage with ksysguard |
| 18:15.15 | Chani | matthias: if your system was actually running out of memory, things would crash. |
| 18:15.25 | Chani | in unpleasant ways |
| 18:15.41 | pinotree | right, the OOM killer |
| 18:15.45 | nikolavp | matthias, most of the time the memory is used |
| 18:15.46 | matthias | no they dont run out of memory |
| 18:15.56 | matthias | but they dont function good |
| 18:15.59 | nikolavp | so if u need memory the kernel will free it for u |
| 18:16.07 | matthias | besides i have 4gigs of swap, just incase |
| 18:16.15 | nikolavp | ah matthias, so they function well under gnome u say |
| 18:16.20 | matthias | yeah |
| 18:16.21 | nikolavp | LAL |
| 18:16.25 | matthias | much better |
| 18:16.30 | Sho_ | matthias: So you run KSysGuard before you start your game, and based on that decide if you have enough free memory or need to restart X? |
| 18:16.33 | Kibou | 4gigs.. sheesh |
| 18:16.34 | Chani | 4gigs of swap is too much |
| 18:16.39 | matthias | no not really |
| 18:16.44 | Chani | that's just silly |
| 18:16.48 | nikolavp | swap is useless most of the time... |
| 18:16.48 | matthias | i just run the game |
| 18:17.00 | matthias | and see how it runs |
| 18:17.03 | nikolavp | or when it is in use it is so damn slow :d |
| 18:17.11 | matthias | does it run unstable |
| 18:17.14 | matthias | i stop |
| 18:17.17 | pinotree | nowayas >= 1.5gb swap is useful only for doing suspend-to-ram |
| 18:17.17 | matthias | and restart X |
| 18:17.26 | matthias | hahahaha |
| 18:17.41 | pinotree | matthias: don't you think also WINE is unstable by itself? |
| 18:17.44 | matthias | i just did this because i had enough harddisk space |
| 18:17.47 | matthias | no |
| 18:17.51 | pinotree | bad |
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| 18:17.57 | matthias | Take WoW |
| 18:18.05 | straw | oh god |
| 18:18.09 | pinotree | WINE *is* still unstable, and nota bug-free product |
| 18:18.10 | nikolavp | la ! |
| 18:18.13 | matthias | it always runs stable on gnome |
| 18:18.20 | nikolavp | how much memory do u have matthias |
| 18:18.28 | pinotree | define "stable" please |
| 18:18.30 | matthias | ram= 1GB |
| 18:18.34 | pinotree | sloppy sound? |
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| 18:18.41 | pinotree | freeze'ing? |
| 18:18.42 | Chani | heh, more ram than me |
| 18:18.51 | nikolavp | so u run the games on gnome with the same options, user and so on |
| 18:18.58 | nikolavp | no new /home directory and stuffs ? |
| 18:19.01 | matthias | pinotree: thats running unstable in my eyes |
| 18:19.06 | matthias | no |
| 18:19.19 | matthias | i just copied all my settings to kde |
| 18:19.20 | pinotree | matthias: again, please give a definition of "unstable" |
| 18:19.31 | matthias | freezing and sloppy sound |
| 18:19.41 | matthias | thats in my eyes unstable |
| 18:19.46 | pinotree | tried to kill artsd before running the game? |
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| 18:20.17 | matthias | but when i restart X i dont have a unstable running game |
| 18:20.21 | Kyral_Laptop | Ugh SuSE is slow to begin with...emulating an OpenSuSE LiveCD just makes it worse |
| 18:20.28 | Sho_ | WINE has fairly poor sound support; they're presently working on rewriting their ALSA driver to fix some of those issues. |
| 18:20.43 | matthias | and sometimes i really need artsd |
| 18:20.49 | matthias | to do my oss to alsa |
| 18:20.57 | pinotree | ??? |
| 18:21.00 | matthias | because aoss doesnt do it |
| 18:21.21 | pinotree | you know wine can use other sound systems than arts, right? |
| 18:21.23 | matthias | yeah some games in wine only give sound using oss |
| 18:21.29 | matthias | i know this |
| 18:21.40 | pinotree | good |
| 18:21.41 | matthias | besides there is no arts anymore in wine |
| 18:21.43 | Sho_ | pinotree: WINE's ALSA support is very poor, so there are number of situations where you need to use its OSS driver |
| 18:21.57 | matthias | sho_: thats right |
| 18:22.11 | pinotree | arts is not the est choice with wine, in my expericence |
| 18:22.13 | pinotree | -c |
| 18:22.14 | Kyral_Laptop | I haven't found much problems with WINE+ALSA |
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| 18:22.33 | matthias | and oss doesnt run with my sound card |
| 18:22.41 | pinotree | oss is dead |
| 18:22.45 | straw | arts support was remove in wine just recently |
| 18:22.47 | matthias | kyral_laptop: try running half life 2 |
| 18:23.02 | Kyral_Laptop | matthias: My machine can't handle HL2 period :P |
| 18:23.04 | Sho_ | Kyral_Laptop: see e.g. http://www.winehq.org/?issue=330#ALSA%20Changes |
| 18:23.16 | Kyral_Laptop | but StarCraft is fine |
| 18:23.36 | Kyral_Laptop | Only problem is that if another sound triggers just as StarCraft starts up |
| 18:23.49 | Kyral_Laptop | then WINE loses its lock on the card and no sound |
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| 18:25.00 | Kyral_Laptop | then again KDE doesn't directly interact with ALSA period on my desktop |
| 18:25.13 | ferronica | nikolavp; ubuntu will give me update automatically for K-Torrent in future or not? |
| 18:25.19 | Kyral_Laptop | The sound system is instructed to route things through aplay or ogg321 |
| 18:25.28 | nikolavp | ferronica, it should.... |
| 18:25.35 | matthias | kyral_laptop: please i dont wanna know those periods, only if they are important |
| 18:25.49 | Kyral_Laptop | ..? |
| 18:26.02 | Kyral_Laptop | matthias: I meant it doesn't even meet the specs for HL2 |
| 18:26.08 | Kyral_Laptop | Let alone running it with WINE |
| 18:26.09 | ferronica | nikolavp; which one you are using gnome or kde ? |
| 18:26.10 | matthias | ferronica:yeah they will give u updates (kubuntu) |
| 18:27.00 | nikolavp | ferronica, kde :) |
| 18:27.08 | ferronica | nikolavp; but i am using gnome |
| 18:27.17 | nikolavp | i am happy for u ;) |
| 18:27.23 | nikolavp | then why do u use ktorrent ? |
| 18:27.32 | nikolavp | ask in #gnome for a gnome torrent client |
| 18:27.37 | nikolavp | i think they should have any :) |
| 18:27.38 | ferronica | nikolavp; i like |
| 18:27.42 | matthias | ferronica: ubuntu's repository's also have the kde packages |
| 18:28.02 | matthias | ferronica: go visit kubuntu they take care of these packages |
| 18:28.07 | nikolavp | LOL |
| 18:28.10 | nikolavp | http://slated.org/yahoo_censoring_open_source |
| 18:28.22 | Sho_ | Nothing illegitimate about using KDE apps on Gnome, of course. But if you like them, you might like KDE itself, too. |
| 18:28.52 | nikolavp | matthias, u can check kubuntu |
| 18:29.00 | nikolavp | or kde-desktop if i am right :) |
| 18:29.05 | nikolavp | not sure what the package should be :D |
| 18:29.11 | matthias | sho_: thats why i'm now using kde, only because the apps are so good |
| 18:29.13 | nikolavp | kubuntu-desktop ? |
| 18:29.22 | Sho_ | nikolavp: "kubuntu-desktop" is right |
| 18:29.26 | nikolavp | :) |
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| 18:29.36 | matthias | nikolavp: yeah thats right |
| 18:29.41 | nikolavp | ? |
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| 18:30.01 | nikolavp | well we all use kde for it's packages ;) |
| 18:30.12 | nikolavp | i have nothing vs gtk applications but they just suck ;P |
| 18:30.21 | matthias | nikoclavp: or u can just download the kubuntu cd and install it that way, because otherwise u will have to use gnome apps in kde |
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| 18:31.58 | matthias | nikolavp: yeah they suck, i can't get them cofigured properly |
| 18:32.30 | matthias | nikolavp; compare k(de)torrent with (gnome)bittorent |
| 18:32.38 | matthias | bittorent just suck |
| 18:32.56 | nikolavp | i am pritty impressed from the new version of ktorrent |
| 18:33.03 | nikolavp | rss feeder plugin is just awesome :) |
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| 18:33.44 | Sho_ | nikolavp: And there's a new one just around the corner - 2.2 will be out soon |
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| 18:35.02 | nikolavp | Well i am using this one KTorrent: 2.2rc1 |
| 18:35.33 | nikolavp | i followed your advice and unmasked the testing here :) |
| 18:35.39 | nikolavp | because of those crashes :P |
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| 18:37.11 | matthias | WHERE can i get this rc of ktorrent? |
| 18:37.53 | nikolavp | ~/.kde3.5/share/config/ktorrentrc |
| 18:37.56 | nikolavp | it is here :) |
| 18:38.06 | nikolavp | well on this machine of course :P |
| 18:38.23 | Sho_ | matthias: http://ktorrent.org/index.php?page=downloads |
| 18:38.25 | matthias | well i mean where can i download the new ktorrent to install it |
| 18:38.42 | nikolavp | matthias, from the link that Sho_ gave u |
| 18:38.47 | matthias | thx |
| 18:38.50 | nikolavp | but u should have it in the repos of your distro :) |
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| 18:40.38 | nikolavp | As well as the easier configuration for hotplugging-supported drivers |
| 18:40.39 | nikolavp | ("no xorg.conf"), we also aim to have better configuration for other |
| 18:40.39 | nikolavp | drivers and fallback settings for when there is a problem. |
| 18:40.44 | nikolavp | can someone explain that to me ;) |
| 18:40.59 | nikolavp | it seems we wont need xorg.conf anymore ?:) |
| 18:41.25 | matthias | ubuntu? |
| 18:41.34 | matthias | where did u got this information |
| 18:42.13 | wolsni | nikolavp: they're saying that they intend to improve the support in xorg for autodetecting hardware |
| 18:42.23 | matthias | ubuntu |
| 18:42.28 | matthias | or the X developers |
| 18:42.32 | nikolavp | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000304.html |
| 18:42.39 | wolsni | fedora 7 can already run fine without an xorg.conf for some hardware |
| 18:42.39 | nikolavp | matthias, it seems that xorg 7.3 will support those |
| 18:42.40 | matthias | oh |
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| 18:42.54 | matthias | do u want to know why they do this |
| 18:42.55 | wolsni | right, it's not ubuntu specific |
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| 18:43.30 | nikolavp | i am a little curious :) :) |
| 18:43.39 | matthias | because noobs need something to fall back on when their computer is about to crash |
| 18:43.56 | matthias | did you never configured xorg.conf |
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| 18:44.22 | matthias | it can be a real pain in the ass when not done properly |
| 18:44.30 | wolsni | 7.3 also includes some basic support for XRandR 1.2 which can handle multiple displays and such |
| 18:44.45 | matthias | yeah that will be beautiful |
| 18:44.45 | wolsni | including hotplugging displays :) |
| 18:44.51 | matthias | i cant wait |
| 18:44.57 | Kyral_Laptop | Seriously writing an Xorg.conf is a bitch |
| 18:45.03 | wolsni | for laptops especially |
| 18:45.07 | Kyral_Laptop | even for an experianced guru like myself |
| 18:45.15 | Sho_ | nikolavp: The X.org developers are currently hard at work implementing hotplugging of input and display devices, along with automatically picking appropriate video modes. For a typical desktop system, that may obsolete a pre-generated xorg.conf, as the the system comes up with good values by itself, and changes can be made at runtime by the user without restarting the server to adjust the config. |
| 18:45.29 | Kyral_Laptop | I just get a Conf that works and save it to a USBKey or something |
| 18:45.52 | matthias | kyral_laptop: me too :D |
| 18:46.01 | Kyral_Laptop | though there is a nice trick |
| 18:46.06 | matthias | ?? |
| 18:46.11 | matthias | tell me |
| 18:46.15 | Kyral_Laptop | Use a LiveCD such as Knoppix and copy its Xorg.conf to the USBKey :P |
| 18:46.40 | matthias | :p |
| 18:46.46 | matthias | funny bunny |
| 18:46.47 | nikolavp | :) |
| 18:46.53 | nikolavp | i dont like those :D |
| 18:46.56 | matthias | or in dutch |
| 18:47.05 | matthias | grapjas |
| 18:47.18 | wolsni | nikolavp: you don't like livecds? |
| 18:47.56 | matthias | wolsni: i jusnt dont want to download a distro to use the xorg.conf generated file |
| 18:48.01 | nikolavp | wolsni, i seldom use those guys ;P |
| 18:48.36 | nikolavp | wolsni, maybe damn small Linux but that is not often. |
| 18:49.10 | matthias | well bye |
| 18:49.14 | matthias | i have to get going |
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| 19:56.20 | PhilRod | just put it there, kmail will find it, I think |
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| 20:45.37 | nhnFreespirit | asiego: I sure did not expect that kind of responce to my little rant... :-) |
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| 20:46.42 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: haha... |
| 20:46.48 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: well, it's a conversation that needs to happen. |
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| 20:46.56 | nhnFreespirit | absolutely |
| 20:47.03 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: we need to be doing this with eyes wide open and have some -plans- in place |
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| 20:47.29 | nhnFreespirit | btw, the very small comment editing window on your blog is quite annoying for writing large replies |
| 20:47.47 | aseigo | simply saying "it has no impact!" is silly. it will have both benefits and negative consequences. if we know what they are, we can accentuate the former and minimize (or even turn around!) th elatter |
| 20:47.53 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: yeah, blam blogger. they suck. |
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| 20:49.00 | nhnFreespirit | aseigo: I agree. I think what seperates our viewpoints is simply that the argument I was trying to refute was somewhat more narrow. It was the "dont port to windows, people are switching to linux because of this one app" I was fed up with |
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| 20:51.18 | nhnFreespirit | asiego: I do disagree with you on the issue of firefox et. al. on windows not having an impact. I think they do. I know they did for me! |
| 20:52.05 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: don't confuse "this is my experience" with "this experience is representative of one of the large market segments" |
| 20:52.31 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: i have discussed with people who manage the mozilla and open office teams/projects and they are very aware of the general movement |
| 20:52.46 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: and while for some it has made a difference, such as for you, for most it doesn little but keep them where they are |
| 20:53.08 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: it may sound a bit vulcan-like and callous of me, but i'm really interested in big picture numbers. |
| 20:53.10 | nhnFreespirit | aseigo: I dont think I am, it is a tendency I have seen in other places as well |
| 20:53.13 | litb | what are you discussing about? |
| 20:53.27 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: in a world where people go to creation museums, we can find spot cases for just about anything |
| 20:53.32 | litb | all the day long you are discussing about windows<->linux movement today |
| 20:53.43 | nhnFreespirit | aseigo: ha! |
| 20:53.44 | litb | and i don't know what's going on |
| 20:54.08 | nhnFreespirit | aseigo: in a place where people go to creation museums, logic seems to be in short supply! :-P |
| 20:54.23 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: i understand how from your perspective it may sound like "this one app" but really the issue is "as a whole project, all this movement together has impacts" |
| 20:54.32 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: it isn't one app alone, it's all the one apps together |
| 20:54.49 | aseigo | yeah. logic amongst the masses == <void> |
| 20:55.45 | nhnFreespirit | litb: I think a blog entry of mine started a discussion that was somewhat (put mildly) bigger than I had anticipated |
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| 20:58.08 | litb | if people switch their OS because of one single app, they never used their OS. |
| 20:58.19 | litb | simple and true |
| 20:58.44 | nhnFreespirit | litb: my main argument in my blog was excately that, most people dont use an OS, the use a collection of applications |
| 20:59.12 | physos | nhnFreespirit: that discussion is latent or slowly going on ever since TT GPLd Qt. |
| 20:59.27 | physos | wow 3 acronymns after each other :) |
| 20:59.42 | nhnFreespirit | physos: fair enough, only goes to show that I am the new guy here... :-) |
| 20:59.50 | physos | nah |
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| 21:00.14 | physos | always in small circles 2 or 3 people, no real open discussion IIRC :) |
| 21:00.45 | physos | I remember a nice chat with aseigo and I think somedoy else about this at last years aKademy :) |
| 21:01.01 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: what you are missing is that that observation actually is an argument -against- your position |
| 21:01.12 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: yes, people use apps |
| 21:01.24 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: so if the apps they use are where they already are, they have no reason to do anything. |
| 21:01.43 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: and if you think that all the apps they use on windows will be kde apps, give me whatever it is you're smoking ;) |
| 21:01.54 | markey | really the whole discussion is moot |
| 21:01.59 | markey | won't change anything |
| 21:02.05 | aseigo | nhnFreespirit: people decide based on apps.. and if the apps are equal they look at which desktop workspace has more bling or which is cheaper |
| 21:02.16 | markey | admittedly speculating is fun though |
| 21:02.18 | aseigo | markey: i don't think you understand what part of it i'm hoping to see change happen in |
| 21:02.33 | markey | indeed |
| 21:02.52 | nhnFreespirit | aseigo: True, but I still think that for people to even want to evaluate other (better) options the apps will have to be in place |
| 21:02.55 | aseigo | and i'm not speculating either |
| 21:03.16 | aseigo | go read the blog entry again. you'll see i say that i'm completely resigned to the concept that these ports are innevitable |
| 21:03.24 | nhnFreespirit | and the main advantage windows has over linux and the rest of the gang ins precisely that, apps! |
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| 21:03.36 | nhnFreespirit | is* |
| 21:03.37 | aseigo | markey: i'm actually in favour of interop enhancments and of reaching out to new contributor pools |
| 21:03.51 | aseigo | markey: so now, if -that- is my position, what do you -think- i'm trying to discuss? |
| 21:04.05 | aseigo | assuming i'm not speculating idly because i have nothing better to do |
| 21:04.27 | litb | hm, i think that the majority of ppl will not switch to linux, unless its driver model and the way programs install changes heavy |
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| 21:05.01 | litb | they are used to, and most ppl will not change their habit, click and run. they don't like text consoles |
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| 21:05.48 | RawSewage | Linux is the future |
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| 21:06.22 | litb | and they don't like to wait for packages for their distro. on windows, if firefox or openoffice releases, they have their .exe installer on the same day. for linux, they have to wait. and most ppl will not understand that, because most ppl are not technical |
| 21:06.30 | RawSewage | It will follow the path of Firefox |
| 21:06.31 | nhnFreespirit | litb: I happen to think that installing software in windows is difficult and inconsistent! |
| 21:06.35 | litb | they are consumers |
| 21:07.00 | litb | and openSource will break of there are too much consumers |
| 21:07.35 | RawSewage | practically every 10th Digg article is about how great Linux is |
| 21:08.00 | aseigo | litb: console hasn't been necessary for the average user for a while now |
| 21:08.20 | Kyral | while people like me try to get people not to be afraid of the Console |
| 21:09.29 | aseigo | markey: i'll offer the spoiler.. it's all about knowing how we handle the consequences of porting to windows.. how do we entice those users over |
| 21:09.57 | aseigo | markey: every free software app that has gone over to windows has brought over an insignificant number of people, and anchored many more to windows |
| 21:09.59 | markey | aseigo: yeah I get your point. those are valid concerns and I guess we're all a bit worried |
| 21:10.03 | markey | I know I am |
| 21:10.12 | markey | but ultimately I find this exciting |
| 21:10.29 | aseigo | markey: i don't find it unexciting |
| 21:10.35 | fred87 | aseigo: clearly the answer is giant popups offering "FREE OPERATING SYSTEM UPGRADE!" featuring bikini models. |
| 21:10.51 | aseigo | markey: those two things are not diemetrically opposed. one can be excited as all fuck but also have a plan =) |
| 21:10.57 | aseigo | markey: right now we sorta kinda lack the latter |
| 21:11.08 | aseigo | fred87: mm.. bikinis. |
| 21:11.35 | markey | but hey.. groupies.. "Win a night in bed with an Amarok hacker!" |
| 21:11.39 | markey | can't... resist |
| 21:11.41 | aseigo | and as long as by 'models' you mean hot people and not, like, zack and coolo photoshopped into speedos, OK! |
| 21:11.44 | nhnFreespirit | rofl! |
| 21:11.53 | litb | but when you fear that when apps get ported to other systems, people could use those other systems instead of linux, why not improve linux so they switch to linux? |
| 21:11.57 | aseigo | markey: we'll go on tour. |
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| 21:12.24 | aseigo | litb: again, answer in the question |
| 21:12.43 | aseigo | litb: it's hard to improve a system relative to a competitor when the improvements are available on the competitor ... |
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| 21:13.14 | aseigo | litb: i also love how i get flack for saying "no, workspace will remain unported" because people don't get that part of it |
| 21:13.20 | fred87 | aseigo: thanks for the mental image :| |
| 21:13.30 | aseigo | fred87: that's what i'm here for baby |
| 21:14.35 | RawSewage | I think we should port all software to Windows so Microsoft wont sue us |
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| 21:14.39 | markey | I think I'd rather see people stay on windows, then see them using gnome |
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| 21:14.44 | markey | cause that really puts me off |
| 21:14.46 | markey | for some reason |
| 21:14.57 | markey | :) |
| 21:15.06 | aseigo | maybe you had a bad experience with the colour brown as a child. =) |
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| 21:15.14 | litb | i get that part. it makes no sense to port kwin, ksysguard and stuff to windows. it already has a wm and a system monitor |
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| 21:15.33 | JohnFlux | litb: i don't think anyone is suggesting to |
| 21:15.44 | Sho_ | markey: not me. what puts me of are threads on k-c-d about removing application names from the window titles of kde dialog boxes for win32 compatibility. you know, because unlike Microsoft, at least Gnome participates on freedesktop.org, so we can talk things over there. |
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| 21:16.03 | nhnFreespirit | I still think, that by making great software that runs on everything, you a making the operating systems that stay in dominance due to proprietary apps only availalbe for that particular system less valuable |
| 21:16.08 | markey | Sho_: yeah, making compromises.. |
| 21:16.21 | litb | i like to have application names in the title |
| 21:16.24 | markey | Sho_: I'm willing to make small sacrificies/compromises |
| 21:16.27 | markey | small |
| 21:16.44 | Sho_ | markey: for proprietary systems we have no influence over and share no common venue with (fd.o)? no sir :) |
| 21:16.54 | markey | yup |
| 21:16.54 | litb | it absolutely confused me when i saw ksysguard with "System Monitor" in its title |
| 21:16.55 | straw | i so fail to understand the 'OMGGNOME" mentality |
| 21:16.59 | RawSewage | I prefer to keep the killer apps in Linux, so people will switch. otoh, that defeats the purpose of FOSS |
| 21:17.20 | JohnFlux | litb: well the idea was supposed to be that users never see the word "ksysguard" |
| 21:17.32 | JohnFlux | litb: do you know what the windows task manager executable is called? |
| 21:17.48 | JohnFlux | litb: i don't :-) it shouldn't matter |
| 21:17.49 | JohnFlux | ;_) |
| 21:18.01 | markey | good thing is, we'll milk the windows freaks wherever possible |
| 21:18.03 | litb | why they should't see it? |
| 21:18.11 | markey | I have no qualms about milking windows users |
| 21:18.13 | straw | RawSewage: what if they never find out about linux or other alternatives? |
| 21:18.32 | litb | it's like gnome guys saying "it confuses people". |
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| 21:18.43 | nhnFreespirit | RawSewage: most windows users would have no way of ever discovering these apps |
| 21:18.45 | markey | maybe we can make a good buck or two |
| 21:18.46 | RawSewage | straw, when Linux is better than Windows and free, theyll find out |
| 21:18.55 | straw | at least with kde apps on windows they might wonder "Who are these people..." and go find out |
| 21:18.55 | RawSewage | No, Im not saying Linux isnt better now |
| 21:19.04 | litb | but it's the reverse. if they see the names, they know how to run it from console. how would users otherwise know how they could run the "system monitor" for the console? |
| 21:19.14 | markey | maybe we'll sell support services too, hm? |
| 21:19.20 | markey | could be someone is willing to pay for it |
| 21:19.55 | RawSewage | nhnFreespirit, if it's better and free, theyll find out |
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| 21:20.09 | Sho_ | With regard to the Win32 port I'm concerned about three things: (a) The dilution of the KDE HIG effort due to the cross-platform burden/overhead in the application space, (b) design decisions being made taking proprietary systems into account we have no influence over, (c) the core KDE codebase quality suffering from droves of compromises and work arounds, (d) a rift in the project between those caring about a free desktop eco system and those looking to use kdelibs as |
| 21:20.09 | Sho_ | lgpl bargain bin for writing proprietary apps |
| 21:20.17 | Sho_ | okay, that's four things |
| 21:20.19 | Sho_ | :-) |
| 21:20.35 | markey | yeah my biggest worry is the big influx of devs |
| 21:20.40 | markey | which good on the one hand |
| 21:20.50 | markey | but on the other we need to stay in the reigns |
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| 21:21.28 | markey | else I see chaos knocking on our door :) |
| 21:21.31 | Sho_ | but it's free, so it's going to happen when people show up to do the work, so we need to make the best of things - which is why I enjoyed aseigo's post today very much |
| 21:21.34 | nhnFreespirit | markey: but that is no different than how things work today, maybe just on a faster scale |
| 21:21.38 | straw | anticipate and emancipate :P |
| 21:21.41 | markey | nhnFreespirit: right |
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| 21:22.30 | litb | sorry, but thinking that ksysguard or konqueror or dolphin or kdbus or whatsnot confuses people is nonsense |
| 21:22.35 | nhnFreespirit | markey: also, we make sure that people are working on independent areas. I could easilly have several developers working on building new service on top of the service framework in Amarok |
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| 21:23.14 | JohnFlux | litb: well the line is even more blurred in kde4 |
| 21:24.43 | markey | JohnFlux: your video was rather interesting, btw |
| 21:24.47 | markey | fallingsands |
| 21:24.50 | JohnFlux | thanks |
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| 21:24.59 | markey | impressive collision detection and physics |
| 21:25.24 | markey | pays off to be a scientist, doesn't it :) |
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| 21:30.16 | RawSewage | FOSS is FOSS. Worrying about what peopel do with it or trying to control who uses it just defeats the purpose. |
| 21:30.43 | apokryphos | but then what would everyone have to complain about? ;) |
| 21:30.45 | markey | correct |
| 21:31.00 | apokryphos | people love feeling persecuted in that way :) |
| 21:31.33 | RawSewage | it's ok to complain. it makes me vomit to think of lazy Windows users enjoying Amarok or something |
| 21:32.48 | apokryphos | my girlfriend switched because she liked amarok and compiz in fact |
| 21:32.57 | RawSewage | oh lol |
| 21:33.16 | Narishma | my gf switched because I forced her :p |
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| 21:33.47 | Narishma | I told her I won't fix her computer anymore if it has windows |
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| 21:33.54 | RawSewage | good |
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| 21:33.58 | RawSewage | I dont blame you |
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| 21:34.11 | coreymon77 | me neither |
| 21:34.23 | RawSewage | virus hell |
| 21:34.29 | p4r0l3 | is there a way to customize what icon is displayed for an application in the systray of kicker? |
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| 21:34.36 | ninix | hi |
| 21:34.38 | apokryphos | not sure if killer apps on windows annoy me |
| 21:34.49 | ninix | emm, there is no more complete KDE coding standards than http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdemultimedia/artsbuilder/coding-standards.html ? |
| 21:34.50 | apokryphos | what would annoy me though would be any prioritisation then, on Windows |
| 21:35.11 | apokryphos | I remember a gaim and kvirc alpha version only being available for windows.. |
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| 21:35.35 | pinotree | ninix: ? |
| 21:36.15 | ninix | pinotree: im searching a QT/KDE coding standard guideline |
| 21:36.23 | pinotree | a) it's Qt |
| 21:36.40 | RawSewage | It's funny how Mac users think theyre the freedom fighting rebels against Microsoft, when Apple is even more closed and propietary than Windows |
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| 21:37.02 | pinotree | b) http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Kdelibs_Coding_Style for kdelibs |
| 21:37.10 | coreymon77 | RawSewage: atleast its unix |
| 21:37.10 | pinotree | c) http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Library_Code_Policy |
| 21:37.33 | apokryphos | RawSewage: and they love their patents too |
| 21:37.37 | pinotree | ninix: ^^^ |
| 21:37.39 | apokryphos | they're not as big though |
| 21:38.04 | RawSewage | yeah, when Steve Jobs says they patented something, the audience all cheers and applauds |
| 21:38.23 | coreymon77 | atleast its a unix os, thats more open source than windows will ever be |
| 21:38.52 | ninix | pinotree: big thx :) |
| 21:39.09 | RawSewage | is OS X open source |
| 21:39.23 | coreymon77 | not sure |
| 21:39.28 | henriknj | well the bottom of osx is opensource |
| 21:39.28 | coreymon77 | it is at its mase though |
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| 21:39.56 | pinotree | i kindly remember that licensing issues are quite offtopic in this channel -- thanks. |
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| 21:40.21 | RawSewage | oh |
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| 21:49.21 | plixin | I dont suppose anyone else here uses hotmail with konqueror? |
| 21:50.40 | PhinnFort | plixin: doesn't work? |
| 21:52.34 | plixin | PhinnFort: Well thats the thing, it does mostly, but the first time you log in the password is always wrong |
| 21:52.45 | PhinnFort | hum |
| 21:52.58 | plixin | Only the second time will it accept your password. I have tried it with several emails and two computers. |
| 21:53.32 | plixin | Im sure of it, the first time it never accepts it. |
| 21:55.32 | fred87 | anyone got recommendations for a lexer/parser combo for use in a C++ app? so far I've had spirit from boost suggested |
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| 22:02.41 | PhinnFort | someone should make a bayimg filesystem |
| 22:02.47 | Thundercloud | A what? |
| 22:02.52 | PhinnFort | http://www.bayimg.com/ |
| 22:03.02 | PhinnFort | doesn't look like it has any anti-bot facilities |
| 22:03.06 | PhinnFort | shouldn't be that hard |
| 22:03.10 | PhinnFort | (compare to gmailfs) |
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| 22:18.09 | TheBlunderbuss | Is there some kind of kde program that'll shut my computer off if my hard drive temperatures get too high? |
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| 22:20.54 | litb | TheBlunderbuss: you could script it |
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| 22:23.59 | litb | that's the idea of pipes & co |
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| 22:25.36 | TheBlunderbuss | litb: Yeah that's what I figured on doing. calling hddtemp and then kshutdown if the temp is too high. |
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| 22:26.09 | TheBlunderbuss | Just wanted to make sure if there was a KDE program that handled it, before I finalized the script. |
| 22:27.04 | TheGrudge | hi, I try to open a file in kdevelop twice (split view)... in kate it is no problem but kdevelop doesn't seem to do it... is there a way to open a file twice? |
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| 22:27.59 | TheBlunderbuss | Is there someplace where I can find a list of all the KDE programs? |
| 22:28.19 | litb | TheBlunderbuss: kde-apps.org |
| 22:28.26 | RawSewage | the best way to search is apt-cache search SEARCHTERM |
| 22:28.36 | litb | pacman -Ss SEARCHTERM |
| 22:28.50 | RawSewage | whats -Ss |
| 22:29.02 | TheBlunderbuss | apt-cache search k ? :P |
| 22:29.12 | litb | sexy-search |
| 22:29.18 | RawSewage | -Ss is the same as apt-cache search ? |
| 22:29.25 | litb | :) well, it stands for Sync and search |
| 22:29.29 | TheGrudge | pacman is archlinux |
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| 22:31.56 | x_link | How an I recreate the trashcan to my desktop? |
| 22:32.14 | profoX` | x_link: just add the applet again |
| 22:32.18 | profoX` | oh |
| 22:32.18 | profoX` | desktop |
| 22:32.29 | RawSewage | Super Karamba |
| 22:33.20 | profoX` | x_link: maybe this helps http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/24/how-to-add-the-trash-can-to-your-kubuntu-desktop/ |
| 22:33.46 | RawSewage | oh |
| 22:33.48 | litb | TheBlunderbuss: apt-cache search ^k.* |
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| 22:41.51 | profoX` | hmm, anyone have experience with KDE 4 compilation here? how much free space do I need to compile KDE 4? |
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| 22:44.43 | aseigo | profoX`: a few gigs should do |
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| 22:45.55 | aseigo | and by a few i meant like... a lot |
| 22:46.20 | aseigo | my source check out is a little under 2GB, my build dirs are ~6.4FB |
| 22:46.22 | aseigo | er, GB |
| 22:46.28 | aseigo | profoX`: but then, i build -everything- |
| 22:46.31 | profoX` | aseigo: hmmm.. I have 7 GB free space... |
| 22:46.52 | aseigo | should be able to do libs/base in that |
| 22:47.05 | tzbishop | profoX`: its enough |
| 22:47.16 | tzbishop | ive compiled KDE4 in 2.5gb free |
| 22:47.51 | tzbishop | (it was very hard, though... :P) |
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| 22:48.51 | profoX` | ahh okay, we'll just give it a try then :) |
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| 22:49.33 | tzbishop | profoX`: compilation time? what is your machine like? |
| 22:49.51 | profoX` | tzbishop: pentium m 1.7 GHz, 512MB ram |
| 22:50.31 | tzbishop | profoX`: kdelibs + kdebase => i think 4 hours of compilation... |
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| 22:50.56 | profoX` | tzbishop: thats not that very bad :) |
| 22:51.21 | profoX` | if I do it overnight - and I have no compile issues - I can start testing it tomorrow :) |
| 22:51.51 | tzbishop | profoX`: in my pentium4 2.4 GHz 512 ram, it took 6 hours and a half (but i was using KDE 3.4, if you compile on console, it takes less time) |
| 22:53.23 | litb | here with my Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz it took around 3 hours to compile kdebase and kdelibs |
| 22:53.56 | tzbishop | litb: did u compile it while using xorg + kde stable? |
| 22:54.02 | litb | yes |
| 22:54.06 | litb | with 1gb ram |
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| 22:55.21 | tzbishop | litb: better machines hehehe. i have a notebook here, i emerged kdelibs and kdebase together in 1 hour and 30 minutos aprox, |
| 22:55.38 | litb | oh |
| 22:55.48 | litb | well, i don'T know exactly anymore |
| 22:55.53 | litb | could have been 2 hours too |
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| 22:57.41 | tzbishop | well..im going, guys. study for tests :P bye bye |
| 22:58.37 | litb | i too. bye! |
| 22:59.06 | x_link | Does the trashcan has a own directory with the stuff you throw or what? |
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| 22:59.48 | TheBlunderbuss | it's different for distros, but mine's in ~/.local/share/Trash/ |
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| 23:03.15 | profoX` | Do you guys use kdesvn-build to compile kde from svn? |
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| 23:07.03 | thiago | profoX`: not me |
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| 23:08.06 | profoX` | thiago: well, what do you advise? :) I never built kde before .. I just found this page though: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 |
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| 23:09.05 | TheBlunderbuss | heh. script works ;) |
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| 23:11.21 | NamShubCMX | lol ive been trying to play a web video for a while with ffox, turns out it works in konq :) |
| 23:11.44 | thiago | profoX`: follow that page |
| 23:12.06 | thiago | profoX`: but that's for building KDE 4. Is that what you want? |
| 23:12.11 | profoX` | thiago: jup |
| 23:12.28 | thiago | then you're set |
| 23:12.34 | profoX` | :) |
| 23:12.36 | thiago | though kdesvn-build is a good tool to use as well |
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| 23:19.47 | TheBlunderbuss | Is there a timer window for kdialog? |
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| 23:21.51 | TheBlunderbuss | or a timeout function, like in the dialog program? |
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| 23:59.22 | nosrednaekim | maybe i'm missing it somewhere, but how do you configure where to save my mailbox in kmail? |
| 23:59.37 | nosrednaekim | I want it in /home/me/Mail |
