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| 00:01.03 | Liquid_Fire | i know, i've seen you on #gentoo :) |
| 00:01.28 | zention | warriorness: it complains it has already started |
| 00:01.40 | warriorness | zention: okay, try upgrading then |
| 00:01.50 | zention | quite big upgrade though |
| 00:01.57 | warriorness | I figured it would complain, but it was worth a try |
| 00:02.07 | warriorness | zention: you on gentoo? |
| 00:02.13 | zention | yep |
| 00:02.17 | warriorness | ouch |
| 00:02.33 | warriorness | zention: you might want to consider quickpkg |
| 00:03.10 | zention | as a backup? |
| 00:03.32 | zention | only kde apps I use are konqueror and kivio a bit |
| 00:03.58 | warriorness | well, I mean, if you decide you hate 3.5.7 and want to downgrade |
| 00:04.01 | zention | oh and quanta |
| 00:04.04 | warriorness | it'd suck to have to compile 3.5.5 again |
| 00:04.18 | zention | let it roll I will be upgrading at somepoint |
| 00:04.39 | zention | oh rosegarden I hope it doesn't blow that one up |
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| 00:05.40 | zention | I will just blame you if it does :) |
| 00:07.19 | zention | it is quite a good panel kicker if I can get it working both screen I will be happy |
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| 00:11.19 | Liquid_Fire | agh, how did i mistype "pager" the same way three times in a row |
| 00:11.55 | warriorness | very carefully? |
| 00:12.20 | JamesB192 | a mental ctrl+c ctrl+v ctrl+v ? |
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| 00:14.26 | bear__ | hey, anyone willing to help me out with sabayon |
| 00:14.42 | pinotree | #sabayon |
| 00:14.49 | bear__ | no one is helping |
| 00:14.57 | JamesB192 | bear__: not realy, unless it's a KDE question. |
| 00:15.00 | bear__ | okay |
| 00:15.04 | bear__ | hold on. ohone |
| 00:15.28 | bear__ | I'm running sabayon on the KDE kernel |
| 00:15.42 | bear__ | NOW. what I'm trying to fo is get all the Graphics crap for the desktop to work. |
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| 00:15.49 | Tm_T | KDE kernel? |
| 00:15.55 | bear__ | well, the KDE interface |
| 00:16.06 | Tm_T | you mean desktop |
| 00:16.10 | bear__ | sorry, I'm not very good with Linux. I'm a Recovering Windows user. LoL |
| 00:16.12 | bear__ | yeah |
| 00:16.42 | bear__ | sabayon is the primary installation, and I'm using the KDE desktop. becuase it's a little more familure to me. |
| 00:16.57 | bear__ | okay, thanks Hames |
| 00:16.59 | bear__ | James* |
| 00:17.17 | bear__ | 'Hi, I'm runnign Sabayon Linux, and wantr to turn on all the eye candy, how do I do it?' |
| 00:17.39 | Liquid_Fire | start beryl-manager or something? |
| 00:17.48 | bear__ | couldn't find beryl |
| 00:17.53 | JamesB192 | And the wheel of FAQ replie KPersonalizer . |
| 00:17.59 | Liquid_Fire | maybe it uses compiz |
| 00:18.04 | bear__ | compiz |
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| 00:19.08 | bear__ | I'm checking out "KPersonalizer" |
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| 00:23.06 | zention | bear__: your time is better spent looking at the command line |
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| 00:29.42 | psykon | it's nowhere near useable :P |
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| 00:57.54 | halakar | Hey guys. Webcam apps for KDE? |
| 00:58.41 | Narishma | kopete |
| 00:59.18 | Narishma | it has support for msn and yahoo webcam |
| 00:59.22 | Narishma | but only video, no audio |
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| 00:59.56 | halakar | this thing is old, old, old. |
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| 01:10.33 | Artimus | What language is Amarok written in? The GUI keeps lagging on me, for up to a few minutes at a time (music plays fine in the background). The GUI goes solid grey... |
| 01:11.56 | thiago | C++ |
| 01:11.57 | lilltiger | C++, but that issue has nothing to do with that. |
| 01:11.58 | Narishma | Artimus: like most kde applications it's written in C++ |
| 01:11.59 | nosredna | Artimus: C++ |
| 01:12.20 | Artimus | It's just that I've seen a lot of interpreted applications behave like this. |
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| 01:12.56 | Artimus | I love Amarok, it's a great program. I don't see why the GUI would lag so much... |
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| 01:13.37 | thiago | it doesn't lag here |
| 01:13.39 | lilltiger | probly some other fault |
| 01:13.45 | lilltiger | as it works great for me |
| 01:13.59 | Artimus | lilltiger: How big is your playlist? |
| 01:14.21 | Artimus | I suppose I'll try out mysql support... |
| 01:14.30 | Narishma | do you have a large playlist ? |
| 01:14.44 | Narishma | I heard there were performance problems with large playlists |
| 01:14.53 | Artimus | Narishma: 5 weeks & 5 days worth |
| 01:14.53 | Narishma | mine usually are <30 |
| 01:15.02 | Artimus | 12,860 |
| 01:15.08 | Narishma | that must be it |
| 01:15.19 | Artimus | I just found a forum post that mysql helps |
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| 01:15.29 | Artimus | I'm thinking the GUI might be waiting on the database. |
| 01:15.58 | Narishma | but why don't you use smart playlists, that way you don't have huge playlists |
| 01:16.25 | nosredna | Artimus: lol.... thats the problem right there.. :) |
| 01:16.41 | Artimus | nosredna: Lack of mysql or my playlist? |
| 01:16.55 | KingPin | c++ Artimus |
| 01:17.08 | Narishma | Artimus: playlist |
| 01:17.42 | nosredna | playlist |
| 01:17.48 | nosredna | sorry, I had a bit of lag. |
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| 01:18.09 | lilltiger | hmm only got like 1-2 weeks of music :( |
| 01:18.11 | Artimus | :/ But I like random skip. And my music collection is glorious |
| 01:18.21 | Narishma | Artimus: try playing with the smart playlists feature, instead of adding all your collection to the playlist :) |
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| 01:18.45 | lilltiger | Artimus: when is it slow? |
| 01:18.50 | wolsni | Artimus: the smart playlists are basically random skipping through a search in your collection |
| 01:19.06 | Artimus | lilltiger: It's random. Like I'll randomly click on a menu and it'll take like 5 seconds to draw. Othertimes it'll be fine |
| 01:19.12 | Artimus | Or when I click "Next" (with random on) |
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| 01:19.19 | Artimus | The playlist goes grey. But the song does advance |
| 01:19.38 | lilltiger | Artimus: got 1 week 3 days of music and response is instant |
| 01:19.50 | lilltiger | but no database |
| 01:20.00 | lilltiger | havent tagged my music yet :) |
| 01:20.02 | Artimus | I'm pretty sure debian is using sqlite |
| 01:20.07 | nosredna | hey, I want to get seomthing a program from KDE svn... whats the command to use? |
| 01:20.08 | Artimus | and there it goes... |
| 01:20.14 | nosredna | its in /trunk/extragear |
| 01:20.30 | Narishma | Artimus: is it also laggy with a smaller playlist ? |
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| 01:20.35 | lilltiger | Artimus: hmm try the new sqllight, i read something about alot of fixes for it |
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| 01:20.48 | Artimus | Narishma: I don't know... I'm still trying to switch to a smaller playlist |
| 01:21.24 | lilltiger | a bit fun, instant response and all, 3268 tracks.. all loaded from an NFS share on my server :) |
| 01:21.40 | Artimus | Doesn't matter what box I do this from, network or local |
| 01:22.15 | Artimus | Playlist of 15 |
| 01:22.20 | Artimus | Does the same thing |
| 01:22.36 | Narishma | then it's something else |
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| 01:23.13 | Artimus | mysql time... |
| 01:23.36 | Artimus | actually, I take that back. Postgres |
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| 01:43.35 | Artimus | Well, it's still rebuilding my database, but Postgresql seems much faster than sqlite |
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| 01:53.28 | matt_ | hello, i have just setup kio_fuse and its working fine, but .. every time i change into a dir under the mount point i get a kde progress box popup |
| 01:53.35 | matt_ | is it possiable to stop this ? |
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| 02:39.45 | agent_bala | help with kuroo update? |
| 02:40.06 | agent_bala | keep getting error about blocked package |
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| 02:40.56 | anditosan | hey, is any of you using the kde 4 suse packages? I can get them to run on my suse |
| 02:41.27 | anditosan | I need some help |
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| 02:42.56 | agent_bala | lol me too |
| 02:43.05 | agent_bala | so far noone has talked but you |
| 02:43.38 | dcestari | hello |
| 02:45.18 | anditosan | funny |
| 02:46.35 | wolsni | agent_bala, anditosan: both of those sound like distro-specific problems to me |
| 02:47.16 | anditosan | wolsni: I have tried unceasingly to get helop from suse, but they just dont know |
| 02:48.27 | wolsni | anditosan: maybe you should just wait until KDE 4 is released |
| 02:48.42 | wolsni | i think there's a livecd floating around if you just want to try it out |
| 02:48.50 | ShockValue | what is Kipi? im looking for a kde/qt based raw image converter |
| 02:50.24 | anditosan | wolsni: the live cd was the first thing i tried, it does not work. This is my last resource for information actually |
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| 03:07.38 | Maxtehmantus | Uhh.. How do I switch tabs in Konsole without using the mouse? |
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| 03:08.24 | wolsni | Maxtehmantus: default is shift+arrow keys |
| 03:08.31 | Maxtehmantus | Ah, thanks. |
| 03:08.35 | wolsni | you can configure the shortcuts just like any KDE app though |
| 03:10.25 | Maxtehmantus | Gah, can't figure out how to get my cursor back. |
| 03:10.33 | Maxtehmantus | XMoto made me loose it. :( |
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| 03:10.50 | Maxtehmantus | Can't be bothered restarting X though. |
| 03:11.00 | jago | hi, can some one tell me how to take a screen dump of my kdm login, please? |
| 03:11.30 | Maxtehmantus | jago: you could use something like scrot from a seperate terminal. |
| 03:11.38 | Maxtehmantus | And tell it to use the display that KDM is on. |
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| 03:12.05 | jago | thnk but only one box |
| 03:12.36 | wolsni | jago: he meant a virtual terminal, hit ctrl+alt+F2 |
| 03:12.58 | Maxtehmantus | ^^ |
| 03:13.11 | Maxtehmantus | And what makes it a "virtual" terminal? |
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| 03:13.21 | Maxtehmantus | It's more real than XTerm, Console, and Konsole. |
| 03:13.29 | wolsni | it's not a physical terminal |
| 03:13.41 | Maxtehmantus | Yes it is.. Is it not? |
| 03:14.23 | Maxtehmantus | What makes a GUI VT100 emulator a physical terminal? |
| 03:15.00 | wolsni | obviously if it's a terminal emulator it's not a physical terminal |
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| 03:16.07 | level1 | Hey, is there a kde program (or any linux program) that can help me synchronize data between two computers? |
| 03:16.23 | wolsni | rsync |
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| 03:20.35 | [skynet] | yo |
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| 03:22.11 | [[[[-haze]- | yo |
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| 03:24.24 | [[[[-haze]- | staff? |
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| 03:27.41 | i_is_cat | anyone know of a good screen capture program to make a video of my kde desktop? |
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| 03:28.25 | wolsni | i_is_cat: ksnapshot should do it |
| 03:28.40 | i_is_cat | ksnapshot does pictures only does it not? |
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| 03:35.30 | jago | hello again, cntrl-alt-f1 did not work and i did not know how to get back to my desktop. |
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| 03:36.57 | jago | any other suggestions for getting a screen dump of my login |
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| 03:37.27 | i_is_cat | whoa |
| 03:37.51 | i_is_cat | no one ever told me the four sides of the cube in compiz isnt your four desktops |
| 03:38.07 | i_is_cat | i have 4 different cubes! :D |
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| 03:38.49 | i_is_cat | thats like the greatest thing in the world to me at this particular moment |
| 03:39.41 | canllaith | jago: The way I used to do it was enable XDMCP on KDM and then use xnest to connect to it from localhost |
| 03:40.33 | canllaith | jago: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/procedure.html |
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| 03:42.02 | jago | thanks |
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| 03:46.26 | lymeca | Is there a rule that any KDE application must be GPLed? |
| 03:48.06 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.27 | aseigo | lymeca: no |
| 03:48.39 | aseigo | lymeca: apps included in kde must be under an open source license, however. |
| 03:48.59 | aseigo | lymeca: but there are people who create all sorts of kde apps, including proprietary ones |
| 03:49.06 | lymeca | aseigo: And who determines what a valid open source license is? OSD? FSF? DFSG? |
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| 03:50.44 | aseigo | lymeca: kde ;) |
| 03:50.59 | aseigo | lymeca: http://trolltech.com/products/qt/gplexception <-- see this |
| 03:51.21 | aseigo | lymeca: a few others will be added to that list in the coming releases |
| 03:51.57 | lymeca | But that's not KDE,that's for QT. |
| 03:52.08 | lymeca | Where is a list of KDE-approved open/free licenses? |
| 03:53.26 | lymeca | And if you say that all KDE applications must use an open/free license as dictated by the KDE project,why are there proprietary KDE apps like you said? |
| 03:54.52 | zerojay | He said all applications included in KDE, not all applications made for KDE. |
| 03:57.37 | aseigo | lymeca: those pretty well define what you can link against Qt/OpenSource |
| 03:57.49 | aseigo | lymeca: we have a licensing policy on techbase... |
| 03:58.27 | aseigo | lymeca: and yes, those are all applications that the kde project itself hosts.. people can write non-Free apps, but we don't include them with kde of course =) |
| 03:59.01 | aseigo | lymeca: http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy |
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| 04:01.35 | aseigo | lymeca: why do you ask? maybe i can help more if i understand what your concern is |
| 04:04.39 | lymeca | I just wanted general assurance of all applications within the KDE project that would guarantee a base set of freedoms. |
| 04:06.54 | lymeca | Quality of assurance if you will. |
| 04:07.00 | lymeca | Confidence in the KDE brand name. |
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| 04:07.44 | canllaith | read the gpl & lgpl ? |
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| 04:07.56 | lymeca | I know what the GPL and LGPL say canllaith |
| 04:08.16 | lymeca | I just wanted to make sure all KDE projects used them,or other equivilantly Free licenses. |
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| 04:09.12 | canllaith | If you understand the terms of both of those licenses and looked at how KDE source code was licensed you would know that what is distrbuted as 'KDE' would need to use free licenses. |
| 04:09.21 | canllaith | They don't call gpl viral for nothin =) |
| 04:09.33 | lymeca | canllaith: Well I'm not just talking about KDE base |
| 04:09.48 | lymeca | But other KDE applications that don't necessarily depend on KDE. |
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| 04:10.16 | lymeca | KStars, Krecipe, KDE games, etc. |
| 04:10.18 | canllaith | If they link against lgpl libraries than no, they don't need to be gpl |
| 04:10.41 | lymeca | Ahh, I didn't consider that they might all link against KDE libraries which might be GPL. |
| 04:11.05 | canllaith | but KDE as a project can't control whether someone creates a program that links against lgpl libraries or not |
| 04:11.25 | canllaith | 'KDE' though is distributed as source code - that includes kdelibs/base/pim/network/games what have you |
| 04:11.42 | canllaith | So you have a certain amount of guarantee that what comes out of KDE subversion is 'free' in that sense |
| 04:12.01 | canllaith | Can your distribution package a non free app that uses KDE libraries and looks like a KDE app that is not free? Sure. |
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| 04:16.52 | skeith | Boy I can't write coherently when I'm tired, at this point I might be harming wikipedia |
| 04:17.24 | skeith | I've been trying to update articles about KDE4 tech |
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| 04:29.18 | jago | i set up xdmp and tried "xwd -out screen.dump -display localhost:0" and i got "unable to open display 'localhost:0' what am i doing wrong |
| 04:31.45 | aseigo | lymeca: yes, of course they do |
| 04:31.58 | aseigo | lymeca: if you look at that techbase url, you'll see we have quite strict policies |
| 04:32.30 | aseigo | lymeca: qt itself is gpl, so .. yeah.. that's why i started with linking to the Qt policy page =) |
| 04:33.44 | aseigo | lymeca: good to see people concerned with freedom ... need all of that we can get =) |
| 04:33.59 | lymeca | Yeah but what license a QT-based project uses is different than what licenses a project must be in order to be an official KDE project. |
| 04:35.55 | canllaith | I think maybe you should define what you think of as officially KDE. I think of as 'is part of the main modules' and all of those we distribute as source code only. |
| 04:36.14 | canllaith | (main modules are those covered in the FAQ) |
| 04:38.08 | aseigo | lymeca: i also provided a link to techbase showing the policies for that |
| 04:38.21 | aseigo | lymeca: which are even more strict than the Qt ones =) |
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| 06:38.10 | illogic-al | oÊŽ |
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| 06:38.49 | illogic-al | another wonderfully sleepless night. |
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| 06:56.59 | master_ | hello |
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| 07:06.09 | aarcane | can having the following line in my .xinitrc file cause problems, or will the kde app be aware of kde init ? kdeinit & akregator --hide-mainwindow & |
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| 07:10.01 | illogic-al | aarcane: I would put kdeinit && akregator --hide-mainwindow & to ensure akregator starts after kdeinit successfully begins. |
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| 07:11.23 | ai__ | Hi where is the chanel for kde4 users |
| 07:11.38 | illogic-al | aarcane: however I believe it's unnecessary to run both those commands at startup as akregator will start kdeinit as necessary. |
| 07:11.49 | illogic-al | ai__: this it is. |
| 07:11.56 | ai__ | thanks |
| 07:12.27 | illogic-al | not many people here are using kde4 yet however :-) |
| 07:12.41 | ai__ | i am runing kde4 on kubuntu gutsy |
| 07:12.55 | ai__ | yes I know |
| 07:13.04 | ai__ | but i don't mind |
| 07:13.37 | ai__ | i used to compile it myself |
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| 07:13.50 | ai__ | but i am lost with the new tutorial |
| 07:14.22 | ai__ | so i decided to start it from gutsy |
| 07:14.48 | ai__ | i can compile "qdevelop" and kbruch |
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| 07:15.49 | ai__ | but i dont know how to tell it how to install "make install" in /usr/lib/kde4/bin and not in local/bin ? |
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| 07:16.19 | ai__ | is it in cmake file ? |
| 07:16.52 | ai__ | are there tutorial which can help me ? |
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| 07:18.38 | ai__ | on est samedi mardi lol |
| 07:19.12 | illogic-al | ai__: yes, you need the -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$KDEDIR directive after the cmake command. |
| 07:19.23 | ai__ | thanks |
| 07:19.30 | illogic-al | see http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 |
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| 07:21.35 | aarcane | illogic-al, thanks |
| 07:22.10 | illogic-al | no prob. |
| 07:23.30 | ai__ | bye |
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| 07:32.17 | anditosan | I installed kde4 beta packages on suse 10.2, now when i try to enter into the kde4 session I get "ould not load kdeinit4" how can I solve this |
| 07:32.18 | anditosan | ? |
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| 07:34.16 | garryFre | I'd revert. |
| 07:34.38 | anditosan | well, I got kde 3.5 as well, I want to test kde 4 beta |
| 07:34.49 | anditosan | have you encountered this error |
| 07:34.50 | anditosan | ? |
| 07:36.01 | garryFre | maybe google for the error. |
| 07:36.17 | garryFre | or see if its part of a package that isn't installed |
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| 07:37.01 | anditosan | I actually ran startkde from a console to track the error, but I dont understand much. But I dont know where to find the log file for that |
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| 07:39.08 | garryFre | Hmmm, try startx? |
| 07:39.22 | garryFre | I just googled for that error, sure isn't much out there on it. |
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| 07:39.48 | anditosan | not really, I tried it on google many times |
| 07:41.03 | garryFre | the command startx, kdm might get you into it. I think there might be some hidden directories in your home that might have a log. |
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| 07:43.28 | anditosan | I tried startx, but it didnt work, I'll look for the log file |
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| 07:45.47 | garryFre | Good luck. I was just looking on kde.com ... hingint found. |
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| 07:46.16 | Assid | hi |
| 07:46.18 | anditosan | ok |
| 07:46.25 | Assid | would kde take advantage of a quad core cpu? |
| 07:50.31 | illogic-al | anditosan: add the path the startkde to the file .xinitrc, make that file executable, and then run startx again. |
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| 07:51.10 | crzydrnkmofo | does anyone else get an error compiling taglib about cannot find tag.lib ? |
| 07:51.22 | garry | I found a log file about kde on my system in /tmp/garry-kde |
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| 07:51.54 | illogic-al | Assid: are you asking if KDE will be doing processor intensive ooperations simply to use up all four cores? |
| 07:52.00 | illogic-al | if so, no. |
| 07:52.00 | anditosan | illogic-al: I am kinda new, where is .xinitrc? What path do i want to add? how do I make it excecutable? |
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| 07:53.02 | illogic-al | anditosan: .xinitrc has to be made by you. open a text editor and put in it the path to startkde from kde4. |
| 07:53.06 | garry | if you browse to your home dir ... you can choose view -> hidden files. Files and directories that start with . are invisible by default |
| 07:53.11 | anditosan | ok |
| 07:53.31 | Assid | illogic-al: so a c2d would make more sense than a c2q if im using kde + compiz-fusion? |
| 07:53.43 | illogic-al | to find out the location of startkde type 'which startkde' and use the one present in the kde4 install directories |
| 07:54.02 | anditosan | o |
| 07:54.03 | anditosan | k |
| 07:54.13 | garry | Nive, thanks Illogical |
| 07:54.18 | garry | er nice |
| 07:54.33 | illogic-al | anditosan: then save that file in your home directory, with the name .xinitrc. |
| 07:54.52 | Assid | illogic-al: so its a good chance i will have 2 processors sitting idle ? |
| 07:54.52 | anditosan | ok |
| 07:55.07 | illogic-al | to make it executable type 'chmod a+x ~/.xinitrc' in a terminal |
| 07:55.18 | crzydrnkmofo | Assid na just dedicate other processes to those processors ;) |
| 07:56.07 | Assid | crzydrnkmofo: just trying to make sense if a c2q or a c2d should be the next move |
| 07:56.29 | anditosan | illogic-al: so in the xinitrc file i should put a path like /usr/bin/startkde4? |
| 07:56.55 | illogic-al | Assid: running a desktop environment is hardly the type of thing to get your processor hot and bothered. I don't know much about processor cores but I don't think that the choice matters when evaluating compiz+kde |
| 07:56.57 | crzydrnkmofo | i would go with the quad core ;) |
| 07:57.11 | illogic-al | Assid: that's something your graphics card deals with |
| 07:57.57 | Assid | illogic-al: okay what if im using kde/compiz/kmail/kvirc/kopete (msn/yahoo/icq) /google desktop/ 3 firefox browsers (4-5 tabs each) /wine at the same time |
| 07:58.09 | Assid | i know thats not enough to make a dent in either processor type |
| 07:58.44 | crzydrnkmofo | I would go quad core but thats cuz i do a lot of process intensive stuff (including gaming) |
| 07:58.58 | Assid | hrmm |
| 07:59.12 | Assid | im thinking of the q6600 w/ nvidia 7300 .. 1GB ram.. |
| 07:59.16 | anditosan | illogic-al: how do i find out the path to startkde from kde4? |
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| 07:59.36 | illogic-al | illogic-al |
| 07:59.36 | illogic-al | : |
| 07:59.36 | illogic-al | to find out the location of startkde type 'which startkde' and use the one present in the kde4 install directories |
| 07:59.50 | crzydrnkmofo | Assid 2 gig minimum |
| 07:59.54 | Assid | seriously ? |
| 07:59.57 | anditosan | ok |
| 08:00.04 | crzydrnkmofo | yeah, especially if u compile a lot of apps |
| 08:00.08 | garry | Be careful tho, some intel motherboards will not play nice with a quadcore. its a known bug, they haven't worked on as of 4 weeks ago |
| 08:00.17 | Assid | crzydrnkmofo: dont really compile anything |
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| 08:00.32 | Assid | mostly some wine based apps .. and the above |
| 08:00.32 | crzydrnkmofo | game ? |
| 08:00.35 | illogic-al | Assid: then you probably don't need quad-core |
| 08:00.38 | Assid | not really.. |
| 08:00.47 | crzydrnkmofo | Assid instead of wine use vmware |
| 08:00.54 | Assid | but i do wanna start gaming.. |
| 08:01.06 | Assid | nah vmware goes pretty darn slow |
| 08:01.06 | garry | what games? |
| 08:01.13 | crzydrnkmofo | get the 2 gig ram on a quad core and u can run your windows on 2 procs, with 1 gig and linux 2 procs 1 gig |
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| 08:01.23 | crzydrnkmofo | vmware is fast, if done right |
| 08:01.24 | Assid | hrmm |
| 08:01.33 | Assid | crzydrnkmofo: im gonna hold you to that |
| 08:01.37 | Assid | okay.. now im convinced |
| 08:01.48 | crzydrnkmofo | ive done it on a athlon 64 |
| 08:01.48 | Assid | you got any vmx mods for me ? |
| 08:01.52 | crzydrnkmofo | with 2 gig |
| 08:01.58 | Assid | i got a p4 3ghz .. 1.5gb ram |
| 08:02.08 | illogic-al | crzydrnkmofo: you've played games in vmware? |
| 08:02.12 | garry | The added ram can make a big difference. |
| 08:02.13 | illogic-al | oh do tell. |
| 08:02.16 | Assid | geforce fx 5200 |
| 08:02.25 | crzydrnkmofo | i did vmware on a 2.8 with 2 gig ram it was decent |
| 08:02.33 | crzydrnkmofo | illogic-al yeah i played some games |
| 08:02.40 | crzydrnkmofo | graphics werent the BEST but it was doable |
| 08:02.41 | illogic-al | crzydrnkmofo: directx games? |
| 08:02.47 | crzydrnkmofo | yes dx games |
| 08:02.56 | crzydrnkmofo | VMWare, not wine |
| 08:02.59 | illogic-al | recen't dx games? |
| 08:03.06 | crzydrnkmofo | VMWare you actually install windows |
| 08:03.11 | crzydrnkmofo | dx 9 and lower |
| 08:03.14 | anditosan | illogic-al: the only path I get for the command is /opt/kde3/bin/startkde |
| 08:03.17 | Assid | hrmm |
| 08:03.22 | garry | I won't ever run wow in windows any more. its so much snappier in linux, especially with gentoo/sabayon |
| 08:03.27 | Assid | vmware console refreshers just wayyy to slow |
| 08:03.39 | Assid | i tried full screen.. it loooks like ntsc scan lines |
| 08:03.45 | crzydrnkmofo | really ? |
| 08:03.54 | crzydrnkmofo | dont use server then, use workstation ;) |
| 08:03.55 | Assid | and my resolution doesnt go to 1024x768 properly |
| 08:03.58 | Assid | oh |
| 08:04.00 | Assid | :( |
| 08:04.05 | Assid | idiot !!! :( |
| 08:04.08 | Assid | what about the player? |
| 08:04.12 | crzydrnkmofo | thats fine |
| 08:04.22 | anditosan | illogic-al: and kdebase4 installed starkde on /usr/bin/startkde |
| 08:04.22 | crzydrnkmofo | use vmware server (free) and then load your image with player |
| 08:04.40 | crzydrnkmofo | garry seriously u thought wow better in linux ? |
| 08:05.05 | garry | Yep. Seems to be. |
| 08:05.08 | illogic-al | anditosan: then put /usr/bin/startkde in .xinitrc |
| 08:05.09 | crzydrnkmofo | hrm |
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| 08:05.26 | anditosan | illogic-al: done, I am making it executable now..... |
| 08:05.26 | bram85 | crzydrnkmofo: i've heard similar success stories |
| 08:05.40 | crzydrnkmofo | does linux handle the turbo cache cards better yet ? |
| 08:06.03 | garry | dunno |
| 08:06.13 | crzydrnkmofo | cuz on this pc when i was experimenting with gentoo, it didn't like my graphics card to nicely (nvidia geforce 6200 tc) |
| 08:06.37 | illogic-al | crzydrnkmofo: i didn't know vmware could have hardware accelerated graphics now. |
| 08:06.51 | crzydrnkmofo | you have to google for the driver |
| 08:07.25 | Assid | honeslty.. i dont even know if i should upgrade my damn machine |
| 08:07.32 | garry | crzydrnkmofo I tried gentoo, but got mixed up while setting it up. Sabayon is a gentoo based installed linux, its much easier and far better detection. |
| 08:07.37 | Assid | i mean its pretty much okay.. compiz could use an upgrade |
| 08:07.49 | Assid | effectivbely.. my video card.. but upgrading AGP doesdnt make sense |
| 08:07.54 | illogic-al | Assid: you using konvi? |
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| 08:08.04 | Assid | illogic-al: kvirc |
| 08:08.17 | crzydrnkmofo | go PCI-E |
| 08:08.32 | Assid | yeah.. but then thats a change in the mobo.. chipset.. everything |
| 08:08.37 | Assid | thats basically getting a new machine |
| 08:08.46 | crzydrnkmofo | yup |
| 08:08.50 | crzydrnkmofo | upgrade it |
| 08:08.50 | illogic-al | Assid: an agp mobo is a good reason to upgrade IF you are a gamer |
| 08:09.06 | danf_1979 | any todo list manager for kde? something like gtodo for gnome? I already tried qtodo but didn't like it. So is there an alternative for kde? |
| 08:09.07 | Assid | illogic-al: i dont really game.. im thinking of starting tho |
| 08:09.12 | crzydrnkmofo | just stay away from my mobo MSI K9VGM |
| 08:09.29 | garry | It's amazing, how quickly connection technology changes. |
| 08:09.44 | Assid | id be getting the P5K-C mobo |
| 08:10.07 | illogic-al | danf_1979: i don't know of any. you can try looking at kde-apps.org though. |
| 08:10.24 | danf_1979 | uhm, ok thanks illogic-al |
| 08:10.33 | illogic-al | Assid: well if you got the cash: Just do it (tm) |
| 08:10.48 | Assid | well dont really have the cash..honestly.. im gonna have to tighten the belt |
| 08:11.08 | crzydrnkmofo | i upgraded mine on a budget (300 bucks) |
| 08:11.17 | illogic-al | Assid: you can get an ok machine for 500 |
| 08:11.21 | crzydrnkmofo | i just need to get a different mobo |
| 08:11.31 | crzydrnkmofo | this one was budget and doesnt have SLI |
| 08:11.36 | Assid | illogic-al: im in india currency difference makes it a bit expensive |
| 08:12.08 | illogic-al | Assid: get an older vid card, gf 6 or 7 series. and when/if you start gaming, upgrade to something better |
| 08:12.18 | Assid | so dont upgrade now ? |
| 08:12.40 | crzydrnkmofo | the GeForce 5200 was fine for games for me |
| 08:12.41 | illogic-al | no i mean if you decide to build a machine, get a cheaper video card |
| 08:12.57 | Assid | yeah the nvidia 7300 isnt really the top of the line card |
| 08:13.01 | Assid | its like SO SO |
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| 08:13.14 | wesley | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.44 | illogic-al | wesley: that's sound like a question for #yourdistro, or even #sudo |
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| 08:14.04 | illogic-al | should either one actually exist, i wish you the best of luck. |
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| 08:14.27 | crzydrnkmofo | if u only need the output why not do sudo gwinfo > out.txt |
| 08:14.27 | Assid | illogic-al: maybe i should just wait it out.. the mobo price is the one thats really making it expensive |
| 08:14.56 | illogic-al | Assid: get an older mobo? |
| 08:15.08 | Assid | illogic-al: nah for a newer machine ?... not worth it |
| 08:15.10 | wesley | What I am doing is making an entry in the menu editor of kde. |
| 08:15.13 | Assid | i upgrade like oce in 2 years |
| 08:15.26 | Assid | once even |
| 08:15.38 | Assid | wesley: kmenuedit |
| 08:15.42 | illogic-al | I mean it's not like there anything fantastically new coming out hardware wise that a year old mobo won't support. |
| 08:16.09 | Assid | actually if you wanna use the quads.. your better with the newer boards |
| 08:16.18 | Assid | specially for the newer g0 stepping |
| 08:16.30 | illogic-al | s'all greek to me. |
| 08:16.34 | wesley | I am using kmenuedit. And the entry works but the console closes immediately after the info is printed to screen. |
| 08:16.35 | Assid | hehe |
| 08:18.02 | illogic-al | I went 64-bit when it was all the rage "because I could". my computer is still running in 32-bit mode. Unless I can see real world differences I don't really care what the processor is doing. |
| 08:18.29 | illogic-al | so unless g0 "makes shit faste" it not worth my time or money. |
| 08:18.32 | crzydrnkmofo | i have a 64 and when i install linux on it, i keep it 64. |
| 08:18.40 | crzydrnkmofo | but windows x64 i dont like |
| 08:18.45 | crzydrnkmofo | (no software) |
| 08:19.18 | illogic-al | crzydrnkmofo: I don't have the patience to fight with 64 bit w/ 32-bit chroot. |
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| 08:19.32 | illogic-al | i'd rather save the extra space on my HD for porn. |
| 08:19.40 | illogic-al | which I don't even have. |
| 08:20.37 | crzydrnkmofo | illogic-al i dont fight it |
| 08:20.49 | crzydrnkmofo | i just compile gentoo 64 |
| 08:21.05 | crzydrnkmofo | it handles all that 32/64 automatically |
| 08:21.57 | illogic-al | you still install the 32bit environment anyway, which for me is a waste of space. |
| 08:22.21 | illogic-al | there is no appreciable difference between 32bit and 64bit apps that i run. |
| 08:22.31 | illogic-al | so it's just not worth it for me. |
| 08:23.22 | illogic-al | the processes run just as fast in 32-bit mode as in 64 bit and it's less of a hassle, so 32-bit it is pour moi. |
| 08:26.30 | Assid | hrmm |
| 08:26.42 | Assid | im gonna try and get a geforce 6600GT card.. to try |
| 08:26.47 | Assid | see what happens on that |
| 08:27.10 | Assid | i hope compiz works better on that |
| 08:27.26 | illogic-al | Works fine for me. |
| 08:27.29 | Assid | he gave me the offer long back.. but i said no that time |
| 08:27.34 | Assid | illogic-al: no lag whatsoever? |
| 08:27.51 | illogic-al | there is some. and all the effects aren't turned on. |
| 08:28.03 | illogic-al | I blame that on the code more than the card however. |
| 08:28.15 | illogic-al | most plugins run smoothly. |
| 08:28.23 | Assid | glxgears |
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| 08:28.42 | illogic-al | yes, that runs too. |
| 08:28.43 | Assid | does your gears run in a semi transparent window? |
| 08:29.06 | illogic-al | don't think i tried. |
| 08:29.11 | Assid | try it |
| 08:29.19 | Assid | and tell me the fps it achieves |
| 08:29.38 | illogic-al | but all nvidia cards have AllowGLXWithComposite option so it should work fine. |
| 08:29.46 | crzydrnkmofo | i get about 14 fps playing wow on the highest settings (using windows) |
| 08:30.03 | illogic-al | Assid: I'd have to rool on over to the desktop which isn't happening tonight :-) |
| 08:30.36 | Assid | allowglx suposed to be in the "screen" section or "device" ? |
| 08:30.52 | illogic-al | i vaguely remember getting 40-ish FPS on HL2 \w/ cedega |
| 08:31.14 | illogic-al | don't remember. |
| 08:31.18 | Assid | i got it in the screen section |
| 08:32.01 | illogic-al | i think it device though. |
| 08:32.06 | illogic-al | read the readme. |
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| 08:35.01 | Assid | okay brb |
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| 08:46.21 | logixoul | Hi. When I yank out the network cable http://localhost (apache2) is still accessible, but ONLY with non-kde apps (wget, firefox...). Any pointers much appreciated. |
| 08:46.55 | logixoul | works fine with the network cable in, of course |
| 08:47.07 | logixoul | (and I don't use a proxy) |
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| 08:47.52 | Assid | heya |
| 08:47.54 | Assid | back |
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| 08:48.32 | Assid | bah.. it was supposed to be in the Device section |
| 08:48.47 | Assid | dunno if its just a state of mind.. but i think its better |
| 08:48.56 | Assid | will come to know when i have a few more windows running |
| 08:49.11 | anditosan660 | illogic-al: i did what you told me, but the error is still there, this is the output http://pastebin.ca/653299 |
| 08:51.35 | Assid | i wonder if the new compiz has any performance increase |
| 08:51.41 | Assid | guess will come to know when gutsy comes out |
| 08:51.49 | Assid | bbiab |
| 08:51.59 | anditosan660 | Assid: it does |
| 08:52.09 | Assid | anditosan660: faster? |
| 08:52.22 | anditosan660 | illogic-al: are you around? |
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| 08:53.41 | Assid | anditosan660: any clue how much of a performance increase we're looking at? |
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| 08:54.29 | anditosan660 | Assid: I am not that trined on it, but I am using it. and it runs very smoothly. For more information you can ask in #compiz-fusion' |
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| 08:55.26 | Assid | any backports for feisty? |
| 08:55.49 | anditosan660 | Assid: you dont nned backports for that, go here |
| 08:56.29 | anditosan660 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=481314 |
| 08:57.11 | Assid | i actually had that.. and it used to kill my box |
| 08:57.22 | Assid | so im usung the the other repository |
| 08:58.07 | Assid | one sec.. lemme check which version of compiz i got here |
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| 08:59.06 | Assid | damn how do i know |
| 08:59.21 | Assid | here.. 0.5.1 |
| 08:59.38 | anditosan660 | you need to get the "git" packages |
| 08:59.50 | Assid | git packages? |
| 08:59.59 | anditosan660 | compiz-fusion-git |
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| 09:00.29 | anditosan660 | well, this is actually a kde related channel, your questions about compiz fusion should be addressed in #compiz-fusion |
| 09:00.37 | Assid | hrmm k |
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| 09:06.38 | daaf | why nothing gets minimized into the systray? |
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| 09:11.57 | pinotree | daaf: ? |
| 09:12.11 | daaf | when i minimize something that should go to the system tray, it's not appearing there |
| 09:12.14 | daaf | only the clock is there |
| 09:12.29 | pinotree | the clock is not a systemtray thing |
| 09:12.40 | pinotree | are you sure you have the systemtray applet? |
| 09:13.03 | pinotree | try adding it, right click on the panel -> add applet -> system tray |
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| 09:15.04 | daaf | yeah it wasn't there |
| 09:15.05 | daaf | thanks! |
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| 09:16.15 | pinotree | you're welcome |
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| 10:17.29 | stelt | on http://techbase.kde.org/Image:Klogo-official-lineart_detailed.svg it says "image/svg" which should be "image/svg+xml" |
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| 10:18.54 | kRocKodile | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J_EbjV31Ik |
| 10:19.08 | kRocKodile | (for the topic) |
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| 10:55.56 | bram85 | what is the friggin point in sharing that crap with us |
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| 11:04.01 | kRocKodile | bram85: if this *baby* is crap for you then you are a gay |
| 11:04.22 | bram85 | pinotree: ? |
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| 11:07.55 | bram85 | cool |
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| 11:50.15 | kailash | hello.. i need ur help. i'm not able to change my screen resolution |
| 11:50.45 | kailash | if i try to change it, it doesnt save my settings |
| 11:51.20 | vladsharp | have you got the valid resolution modes in xorg.conf? |
| 11:51.30 | kailash | yes i have valid ones |
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| 12:24.31 | ralph | Hat irgendjemand schon einmal KDE 4.0 erfolgreich ausprobieren können? |
| 12:25.09 | pinotree | ralph: english please, or #kde.de |
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| 12:34.00 | Mirrakor | anyone knows if digiKam can play back videos? |
| 12:34.39 | kirun | It doesn't seem to play back the ones my camera takes |
| 12:35.09 | Mirrakor | AVI files |
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| 13:05.33 | RivaeAerya | ~kde4 |
| 13:05.36 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule). |
| 13:05.40 | RivaeAerya | ~kde |
| 13:05.40 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. We don't know when that will be, despite the dot article. It will most likely be in 2007 or 2008, but it could be later. |
| 13:05.43 | RivaeAerya | !kde4 |
| 13:05.53 | RivaeAerya | ~kde4 |
| 13:05.54 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule). |
| 13:06.03 | RivaeAerya | no bot? |
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| 13:06.45 | kirun | Well, "KDE 4" is a bit of a wide topic |
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| 13:09.11 | FreshPrince | alo |
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| 13:17.38 | SirLinuxExplorer | Can I help you ? ;) |
| 13:18.04 | root | please I am new |
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| 13:18.40 | SirLinuxExplorer | Yes, I can see that. You are a root user. |
| 13:18.45 | parashu | SirLinuxExplorer |
| 13:19.30 | parashu | Sorry about that I had a wrong name. |
| 13:20.03 | SirLinuxExplorer | No problems |
| 13:20.47 | parashu | Sir May I have the liberty of ask some questions not related to kde |
| 13:21.33 | SirLinuxExplorer | Yes, shoot - anything |
| 13:22.49 | parashu | Sir linux assembly in linux kernel, how much of it is in AT&T style? |
| 13:23.47 | SirLinuxExplorer | There is some study on that subject. |
| 13:25.01 | SirLinuxExplorer | There is some mew developement in this area coming up soon too. |
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| 13:25.16 | parashu | Sir I have started learning assembly for linux but also found that nasm supports intel style of assembly so I wanted to learn assembly in a generic way |
| 13:25.56 | parashu | If you could give me some pointers on linux assembly and C |
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| 13:27.27 | SirLinuxExplorer | There is an amunt of knowledge to take in consideration then. |
| 13:28.20 | SirLinuxExplorer | There is studies on diffrent categories |
| 13:28.44 | parashu | Sir, can you please elaborate on Categories? |
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| 13:31.39 | SirLinuxExplorer | You mentioned Intel style and you mentioned generic way, I see that in general basic there is a interpreter plattforn for assembly. |
| 13:33.41 | parashu | Sir, didn't get you! |
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| 13:34.41 | SirLinuxExplorer | On the levels there is categories of interpreter language like C as an high level language using low level interpreter. |
| 13:35.28 | thiago | Assembly is never intepreted |
| 13:35.47 | SirLinuxExplorer | How do you see that ? |
| 13:36.01 | parashu | Sir, I thought that C is complied. |
| 13:36.08 | thiago | C is compiled |
| 13:36.12 | thiago | Assembly is assembled |
| 13:36.25 | brian__ | i've got an emerge blocking problem @ http://pastebin.ca/653484 seems that hplip and foomatic-filters are blocking cups |
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| 13:36.43 | thiago | brian__: wrong channel |
| 13:36.49 | brian__ | C > assembly > machine code |
| 13:37.07 | brian__ | sorry thiago wrong tab :) |
| 13:37.11 | parashu | Assembly statement represents a machine code |
| 13:37.21 | thiago | yes, but it's not machine-readable |
| 13:37.39 | parashu | may you please elaborate on that |
| 13:37.43 | thiago | on what? |
| 13:37.59 | brian__ | machine code: 0012 003 23023 |
| 13:38.02 | parashu | That assembly > machine code is not machine readable |
| 13:38.13 | brian__ | assembly code: MOV R1,R2 |
| 13:38.15 | thiago | assembly is the processor's language |
| 13:38.27 | parashu | yes |
| 13:38.38 | thiago | there's its textual representation, such that the human programmer can read it and the assembler can parse |
| 13:38.40 | SirLinuxExplorer | In the processor there are about 150 instructions for a program to use, right ? |
| 13:38.59 | thiago | and there's its binary representation, which is what the processor reads and the assembler produces |
| 13:39.13 | brian__ | nicely played thiago |
| 13:39.28 | thiago | there's also a small difference that the assembler also does a minor "compilation" step, which is calculate some offsets and values from constants in your program |
| 13:39.41 | parashu | yes |
| 13:39.56 | SirLinuxExplorer | The representation is a set of ones and zeroes - right ? This is mthe machinecode for a certain type of processor. |
| 13:40.00 | thiago | also note that any modern assembler produces relocatable code: that is, there's an extra step required before the processor can execute it, which is called relocation |
| 13:40.26 | thiago | relocation = "finding the address of certain symbols and placing them some place" |
| 13:40.40 | SirLinuxExplorer | The assembly language interprets them - no ? |
| 13:40.44 | thiago | no |
| 13:40.51 | thiago | one of the steps of linking is relocation |
| 13:41.07 | thiago | but modern executable files do not resolve all relocations at link time. They leave a few for the dynamic linker. |
| 13:41.13 | thiago | that's how DLLs and .so work. |
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| 13:41.58 | thiago | so, it goes like this: |
| 13:42.03 | thiago | you write in C. |
| 13:42.22 | thiago | the first step is the preprocessor: it resolves all #includes, #defines and #if |
| 13:42.55 | thiago | the output is a multi-megabyte-sized C-language file that you can no longer read |
| 13:43.12 | thiago | the next step is the compilation: the compiler reads C and writes assembly |
| 13:43.27 | parashu | can this assembly be read? |
| 13:43.31 | thiago | yes |
| 13:43.35 | SirLinuxExplorer | yes |
| 13:43.43 | thiago | it's less readable than the preprocessed C, but it's still readable |
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| 13:43.50 | parashu | is extension of this assembly .obj |
| 13:43.58 | thiago | no |
| 13:44.03 | thiago | on Linux, it's .s |
| 13:44.13 | parashu | yes ofcourse |
| 13:44.14 | thiago | the preprocessed source is .i |
| 13:44.33 | thiago | anyways, depending on the level of optimisation that the compiler used, it's very difficult to understand what it's doing |
| 13:44.51 | parashu | sir .s assemby is AT&T style as used by as or intel style as used by nasm? |
| 13:44.57 | thiago | the assembler will read the .s and produce now binaries: this is no longer text, so it can't be read |
| 13:45.03 | thiago | it can be disassembled, if you want |
| 13:45.12 | parashu | yes |
| 13:45.21 | thiago | .s is "assembly source". The format depends on the assembler being used. |
| 13:45.29 | SirLinuxExplorer | right |
| 13:45.44 | thiago | on Linux, .s are in gas's format. They can be written in AT&T or Intel style, but generally are AT&T. |
| 13:45.55 | parashu | Sir Linux kernel uses AT&T or intel |
| 13:46.07 | thiago | to stop the compilation after pre-processing, the switch is -E |
| 13:46.26 | thiago | to stop the compilation after compilation itself, the switch is -S (I think, I don't remember) |
| 13:46.36 | thiago | the Linux kernel uses AT&T in its .S files. |
| 13:46.59 | thiago | now, the output of the assembler is the object file: the .o. Switch is -c. |
| 13:47.12 | thiago | it's binary, but it's a relocatable object. |
| 13:47.39 | thiago | the next step is the linking: putting together a series of .o along with libraries (libraries = collections of .o, originally) |
| 13:47.49 | parashu | relocatable means every time we run it, it is placed at a different location in memory |
| 13:48.03 | thiago | it reads relocatable objects and writes executables or libraries |
| 13:48.18 | thiago | normal Linux executables are non-relocatable, but they could be made so. |
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| 13:48.26 | thiago | wait, that's wrong |
| 13:48.33 | thiago | they are position-dependent, but they are relocatable. |
| 13:48.55 | thiago | the linking is done in steps, like I said |
| 13:49.02 | thiago | the first is the static linking, which produces the files you and I have. |
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| 13:49.24 | thiago | the second is the run-time linking, which is only done when you actually run the program. |
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| 13:50.22 | thiago | relocatable means there are some symbols that have to be resolved: they have to be found and their addresses recorded somewhere. |
| 13:50.30 | parashu | sir, relocation done during second time linking? |
| 13:50.42 | thiago | whether this produces a different value each time is not up to the linking. |
| 13:50.45 | thiago | don't call me sir :-) |
| 13:50.57 | thiago | relocation is in both steps of the linking. |
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| 13:51.47 | thiago | the only difference is that the dynamic or run-time linking only handles simple relocations, because it has to be very fast. |
| 13:51.54 | thiago | the static linking handles all the complex cases. |
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| 13:52.18 | parashu | Mr. Thiago the best way to learn linux kernel is by reading it? |
| 13:52.39 | thiago | yes |
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| 13:54.11 | parashu | Excellent knowledge of assembly and C is a prerequisite or it can be learnt on the way reading the kernel? |
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| 13:56.12 | thiago | hmm... reading assembly isn't easy |
| 13:56.25 | thiago | I did learn it by reading code, but it takes a long time |
| 13:56.36 | thiago | and you eventually do need to read a manual to find out what exactly an instruction is doing |
| 13:56.49 | thiago | you can find them at intel.com, they're free. |
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| 13:57.02 | redeeman | hello |
| 13:57.22 | thiago | depending on how familiar you are with programming languages, you may understand C without knowing it formally. |
| 13:57.51 | redeeman | anyone know if it's possible to set konqueror's user agent string using wildcard for urls, so that i can match all? |
| 13:58.09 | amthpp | thiago: asm did come much easier when you first started with a simpler system, I used asm-only in C-64 era back in the jurassic age. after that 68k and x86 was a lot simpler to comprehend. :-) |
| 13:58.22 | Liquid_Fire | redeeman: match all what? |
| 13:58.31 | redeeman | Liquid_Fire: domains |
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| 14:00.27 | Liquid_Fire | well, help says wildcards are not allowed... try using . (a single dot) |
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| 14:01.42 | redeeman | Liquid_Fire: thanks alot |
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| 14:03.01 | parashu | Mr. Thiago Thank you very much |
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| 14:06.58 | SirLinuxExplorer | <thiago>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_%28programming_language%29 |
| 14:08.17 | t35t0r | is there a shortcut key for disabling the keyboard repeat? |
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| 14:08.24 | t35t0r | i'm not sure how it automatically got turned off |
| 14:10.11 | Liquid_Fire | maybe it's some kind of accessibility feature? |
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| 14:11.51 | t35t0r | activation gestures maybe ... |
| 14:12.04 | t35t0r | use gestures for activating sticky keys and slow keys was enabled |
| 14:12.18 | t35t0r | what is the gesture for doing that ..i might have inadvertently done that |
| 14:13.12 | Liquid_Fire | no idea, check the docs maybe |
| 14:13.18 | SirLinuxExplorer | thiago: Some history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language |
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| 14:14.21 | SirLinuxExplorer | I've done this in the 80'th and I'm over it. |
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| 14:17.24 | SirLinuxExplorer | In papers they discuss different paradigms, and it's not certain that a shift mean that there is nothing else to to in a previous level. There is mych development in different paradigm levels |
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| 14:20.04 | rabauke | hello! Is phonon already supposed to work in KDE4 svn? |
| 14:20.10 | rabauke | with xine |
| 14:21.10 | amthpp | rabauke: there is a phonon-xine, but it looks like no application use it yet. |
| 14:21.35 | rabauke | amthpp: What about the system-sounds like kde starting? |
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| 14:21.47 | rabauke | or is phonon not used for that? |
| 14:22.17 | amthpp | rabauke: sure phonon audio side is used on desktop level and on some apps, like in kdeedu. |
| 14:22.23 | pinotree | rabauke: phonon-xine is a bit fragile after the phonon-TT merge of yesterday |
| 14:22.33 | pinotree | it's a bit crashy |
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| 14:23.14 | rabauke | for me the kde start sound only works 1 out of 5 times I start KDE4 |
| 14:24.05 | rabauke | and it is cut off when another sound should be played. |
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| 14:26.03 | LazyAngel | why do i get an message about too long file name in k3b, and how do i fix it? |
| 14:28.05 | SirLinuxExplorer | How long filename do you have ? |
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| 14:32.07 | adel | hi |
| 14:32.22 | adel | may i chat |
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| 14:32.35 | pinotree | about kde, yes |
| 14:32.37 | SirLinuxExplorer | abaut ? |
| 14:33.14 | adel | any one over there wanna chat |
| 14:33.24 | SirLinuxExplorer | what is on your mind ? |
| 14:33.51 | adel | nothing just i,m new in linux and i need some help |
| 14:34.11 | pinotree | just ask, if you have kde questions |
| 14:34.13 | SirLinuxExplorer | What distro are you running ? |
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| 14:35.43 | Bille_home | ah, "chat" => "help". very sneaky. |
| 14:35.48 | SirLinuxExplorer | distro is the linux distribution, may have KDE |
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| 14:36.48 | zention | still cannot get kicker on a multi head system to display on both screen |
| 14:36.49 | zention | s |
| 14:37.08 | SirLinuxExplorer | KDE is the desktop for the user |
| 14:37.27 | zention | warriorness: are you here? |
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| 14:38.56 | oneforall | there a url with screenshots of the default look of kde4? |
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| 14:42.12 | apokryphos | oneforall: sure, search on Google. |
| 14:42.23 | apokryphos | you can also try "KDE Four Live", an openSUSE-based Live CD |
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| 14:43.15 | oneforall | http://app.somewhere.tld/screenshots/ not working |
| 14:43.24 | rabauke | http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-08-05/ |
| 14:44.01 | rabauke | http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-07-29/ |
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| 14:49.26 | linux_stu | whenever i add an attendee to an event in korganize, after that any time i try to make an edit it says "you are not the organizer of this event. Editing it will bring your calendar out of sync with the organizer's calendar. do you really want to edit it?" |
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| 14:49.59 | linux_stu | is it supposed to be saying that? if so, how do i make is so that i am the organizer? it is on my account on my computer... |
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| 14:58.32 | feindbild | hi =) |
| 14:58.32 | linux_stu | hey |
| 14:58.34 | rabauke | linux_stu: As it does not work for you in an expected way, file a bug report. Either it is not obvious how to set the organizer or it is broken. |
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| 14:58.34 | linux_stu | thanks rabauke |
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| 14:59.29 | feindbild | I've changed my background using the context menu -> set as background .... now I can't configure my background in kcontrol anymore .... any hints what config file I have to kill to fix it? kde-3.5.7 |
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| 15:01.07 | rabauke | feindbild: why can you not change it in kcontrol? |
| 15:01.20 | rabauke | did you pick the correct virtual desktop? |
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| 15:02.51 | feindbild | rabauke: I picked mall desktops ... the thing is, I can change the image, the setiings and apply ... nothing works ... only since I used the context menu to set it ... |
| 15:03.26 | feindbild | s/mall/all/ |
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| 15:05.34 | monfis | #fedora.pl |
| 15:05.40 | feindbild | brb |
| 15:06.01 | rabauke | feindbild: for me it works. You could have a look at the kdesktoprc or search for the name of the image within the files in .kde |
| 15:06.07 | vizard | how can i install a flash plugin for konqueror |
| 15:06.51 | rabauke | vizard: your distro should provide a package or you have to do it manually. after that you just search for plugins in konqueror's settings. |
| 15:07.33 | vizard | the settings tab shows that nswraper is present. but flash enabled websites dont work |
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| 15:08.17 | rabauke | do they work in firefox? |
| 15:08.34 | vizard | i dont have firefox yet. |
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| 15:09.53 | rabauke | vizard: what distro do you use? |
| 15:09.59 | vizard | sabayon |
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| 15:11.01 | HenryTheVIII | Hi! Is there any simple calendar with tasks for the desktop? |
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| 15:11.38 | rabauke | no idea about it, so you have to install the flash-plugin manually. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash |
| 15:11.43 | Liquid_Fire | vizard: did you emerge netscape-flash? |
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| 15:11.58 | feindbild | re ^^ |
| 15:12.02 | vizard | nope.will try and get back |
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| 15:15.40 | feindbild | k ... deleted some stuff from kdesktoprc and it works again ^^ |
| 15:15.51 | amthpp | vizard: on my sys it needed to install nspluginwrapper (that depend on netscape-flash) and point konqueror's plugin path to the /opt/netscape/plugins... |
| 15:16.26 | vizard | ok..ill try that |
| 15:16.37 | Liquid_Fire | nspluginwrapper is for 64bit |
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| 15:16.54 | vizard | ya i have a 64 bit arch |
| 15:16.58 | Liquid_Fire | ok |
| 15:16.59 | amthpp | Liquid_Fire: yep, is there 32-bit systems still around?!? ;-) |
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| 15:20.48 | solshark | Hello all. I have strange issue. Then i'm press "konkueror" button on panel. i'm gey error "Could not find "browserweb" executable." Any idea? |
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| 15:21.32 | warriorness | zention: I am here |
| 15:21.50 | solshark | If i'm run konq from command line, it's start ok |
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| 15:22.51 | Adnan | solshark: what's the the entry in your preferences for that button or: which command is invoked by this button? |
| 15:23.22 | solshark | Adnan: Command: browserweb openProfile webbrowsing |
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| 15:23.51 | Adnan | can you replace "browserweb" with "kfmclient" ? |
| 15:23.54 | Adnan | and try again |
| 15:24.07 | Adnan | kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing |
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| 15:25.40 | solshark | Adnan: Yes, it's help, but i have another issue. Then i'm go to any site and press some link, i'm get dialog window with button "save as" and "open in konqueror WB". |
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| 15:26.20 | Adnan | seems like file handling is messed up |
| 15:27.04 | solshark | Adnan: Yes, i'm think you right. How can i fix this? Remove ~/.kde or rebuild kde-related packeges? (I'm using gentoo) |
| 15:27.13 | maki | how can i enable previews in file/open/savw dialogs ? |
| 15:27.16 | Adnan | if you remove .kde all of your preferences are deleted |
| 15:27.25 | Adnan | of all programs that use KDE |
| 15:27.50 | solshark | Anarky: I know. |
| 15:27.58 | solshark | Adnan: I know :) |
| 15:27.59 | swanfl | and things like your address book |
| 15:28.05 | solshark | Anarky: Sorry :) |
| 15:28.07 | Adnan | you can try to go to the system configuration menu -> KDE components -> File handling |
| 15:28.14 | swanfl | and mail if you don't put it in another folder |
| 15:28.46 | Adnan | I don't have the english version but there should be a button like "Recover standard preferences" |
| 15:30.35 | solshark | Adnan: I'm using russian locale (3.5.7). I don't see any button like you discribe in this section of control center. Only "Add...". And some kde messages right now in .. Spanish. Wow. |
| 15:31.05 | zention | warriorness: ah good |
| 15:31.25 | warriorness | zention: what's up? |
| 15:31.33 | Adnan | solshark: you can find this preference in Konqueror preferences too |
| 15:31.36 | zention | warriorness: ok does the panel configuration screen on your computer use the word xinerama? |
| 15:31.53 | Adnan | it's the fourth option page from top |
| 15:32.20 | solshark | Adnan: I see. But only "Add" and "Remove". |
| 15:32.28 | solshark | Adnan: Strange. |
| 15:32.39 | zention | warriorness: in configure panel -> arrangement -> screen do you see the words Xinerama Screen? |
| 15:32.41 | warriorness | zention: in the panel pane of kcontrol, yes, underneath the image of the monitor, there's an option "xinerama screen {1,2}" and a button "identify" |
| 15:33.08 | warriorness | zention: the xinerama screen option seems to do nothing, and the identify button displays "1" and "2" on the same monitor. |
| 15:33.09 | zention | warriorness: ok that is what I have - are you using kde or another wm? |
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| 15:33.23 | warriorness | zention: kde, withOUT xinerama |
| 15:34.12 | solshark | Adnan: So, i need remove ~/.kde or rebuild kde packages? |
| 15:34.17 | zention | warriorness: so a -xinerama in your use flags |
| 15:34.33 | warriorness | I am pretty sure I have it out of the use flags |
| 15:34.41 | warriorness | but I will check explicitly saying -xinerama |
| 15:34.54 | zention | warriorness: ok so do I |
| 15:35.17 | zention | warriorness: now how do you refer to the other panel? |
| 15:35.18 | Adnan | solshark: I don't know, sorry. You can try deleting all konqueror files in .kde |
| 15:35.33 | warriorness | zention: "refer"? |
| 15:35.37 | solshark | Adnan: Okey, i'll try it. Thanks for help :) |
| 15:35.45 | zention | warriorness: yeah from the config |
| 15:35.58 | warriorness | zention: by opening the panel config on the other screen |
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| 15:36.03 | Adnan | solshark: rm -rf ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/ |
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| 15:36.13 | zention | warriorness: you cannot configure one from the other? |
| 15:36.19 | warriorness | I do not think so |
| 15:36.21 | jolly | hi |
| 15:36.27 | zention | warriorness: how about in kcontrol? |
| 15:38.32 | warriorness | zention: same thing - kcontrol only alters settings on the Screen that it's opened on |
| 15:38.41 | warriorness | this applies to desktop wallpapers as well |
| 15:38.54 | warriorness | (but not to stuff like icon theme, style, window decs) |
| 15:39.06 | zention | warriorness: ok I am going to assume openbox and kicker don't play well together |
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| 15:39.22 | warriorness | zention: I am not using openbox |
| 15:39.24 | zention | warriorness: I cannot change the look and feel of kicker either |
| 15:39.33 | zention | warriorness: yeah that is the difference |
| 15:39.42 | warriorness | oh, you are? |
| 15:39.47 | rabauke | warriorness: did you chose the correct desktop in kcontrol? there is a drop-down in that dialogue. |
| 15:39.47 | zention | warriorness: yep |
| 15:40.10 | warriorness | rabauke: it is labeled "xinerama", and I am not using xinerama, so the combobox has no effect whatsoever. |
| 15:40.20 | zention | rabauke: it is me not warriorness |
| 15:40.25 | rabauke | ah ok |
| 15:40.34 | zention | his works |
| 15:40.51 | warriorness | zention: what trouble are you having, exactly? |
| 15:41.03 | zention | warriorness: it won't display on more than one screen |
| 15:41.10 | warriorness | ah yes, I remember now |
| 15:41.19 | warriorness | zention: you upgraded to 3.5.7? |
| 15:41.21 | zention | warriorness: I am going to use xfce4-panel it doesn't hide as well but hey |
| 15:41.27 | zention | warriorness: yeah |
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| 15:41.48 | warriorness | zention: try running KDE itself, and see if that makes kicker work |
| 15:41.55 | warriorness | that will tell us if it's an openbox problem |
| 15:41.58 | solshark | Adnan: No, removing konq files in ~/.kde isn't help. Look like is system bug. |
| 15:42.10 | zention | warriorness: not all upgraded to 3.5.7 just the basic bits |
| 15:42.19 | warriorness | zention: qt, kdelibs, etc? |
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| 15:42.32 | zention | warriorness: xfce4-panel will do it is allright a sort of lxpanel and fbpanel hybrid |
| 15:42.47 | solshark | Adnan: I'm try reemerge konq. Maybe is help. If not - remove ~/.kde |
| 15:42.50 | zention | warriorness: yeah the basics were got libkonq qt kdebase etc |
| 15:43.13 | warriorness | zention: well, try using pure KDE for a second; if kicker works fine there, then you probably would be better off with xfce4-panel |
| 15:43.38 | solshark | Adnan: But somthing wronr in system totally. Messages in Spanish, Wrong icons etc. |
| 15:43.50 | warriorness | if it still doesn't work with pure kde, then it probably can be fixed |
| 15:44.04 | warriorness | zention: can you pastebin your xorg.conf? |
| 15:44.06 | zention | warriorness: well I will just go xfce4-panel it works just leaves too a line where the toolbar was |
| 15:44.17 | zention | warriorness: dual head is setup fine |
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| 15:44.35 | warriorness | well, okay |
| 15:44.49 | judgen | will kde4 have compotiting without compiz/beryl? |
| 15:44.56 | zention | warriorness: thanks though |
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| 15:45.07 | warriorness | zention: that single fault in panel-hiding was what prompted me to switch from gnome to kde; hopefully it's less annoying to you |
| 15:45.09 | wolsni | judgen: yes |
| 15:45.09 | warriorness | judgen: yes |
| 15:45.58 | judgen | finally... |
| 15:46.19 | judgen | will it be solaris compatible? |
| 15:46.38 | zention | warriorness: yeah well I may make my own panel - I know what the problem is, it is hard to get focus if it is not there |
| 15:47.17 | warriorness | zention: what is the problem, do you think? |
| 15:47.28 | zention | warriorness: kicker must be doing one of two things either it captures all mouse events which I think it does |
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| 15:47.49 | zention | warriorness: or there is a transparency happening |
| 15:47.59 | warriorness | transparency? |
| 15:48.12 | zention | warriorness: I think the former though as the second screen will fire the reveal on the first |
| 15:48.19 | wolsni | judgen: i imagine KDE 4 will run on solaris; the compositing effects will of course require OpenGL and an X11 server with the Composite extension |
| 15:48.27 | judgen | i just love kde and everything in it. I use it 24/7, could comeone direct me to a irc client that is like mirc(windows) or vision(beos) written in qt? |
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| 15:48.50 | zention | warriorness: those are the two ways - if you don't have something visible to focus on |
| 15:49.14 | warriorness | zention: have you tried restarting kicker once the x server is running? "killall kicker && kicker &" |
| 15:49.17 | zention | judgen: qirc use to be it I think |
| 15:49.22 | zention | judgen: maybe sirc |
| 15:49.25 | judgen | wolsni ofcourse, its allready supported. I run compiz gnome now. But i would like to go back to KDE |
| 15:49.49 | judgen | i use gnome at work though |
| 15:50.04 | zention | warriorness: oh yes, I have tried to start it in many ways - I can get it to another display but not both at the same time |
| 15:50.18 | warriorness | ah, hmmm |
| 15:50.33 | judgen | not at home, and the difficulties making kde and compiz play nicely is just a darg.. |
| 15:50.42 | warriorness | well, beyond suggesting that you see how it works with kwin instead of xfwm, there's not much I can do |
| 15:50.59 | zention | warriorness: openbox |
| 15:51.31 | zention | warriorness: kicker is quite heavy on system usage so I will grin and bear xfce's offering :) |
| 15:51.45 | warriorness | well, good luck then |
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| 15:53.47 | judgen | kwin is indeed very tollerable |
| 15:55.16 | zention | I use to use KDE and tend to install it for people but I prefer a box for speed really |
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| 15:56.10 | judgen | just as churchill said "democracy is the worst of all types of government, except all oters invited so far" |
| 15:56.19 | zention | invented |
| 15:56.36 | judgen | =) |
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| 15:57.04 | judgen | invented |
| 15:57.06 | judgen | lol |
| 15:57.18 | judgen | i cant spell at all todey, can i? |
| 15:57.33 | maki | anybody here uses KDE? |
| 15:57.33 | zention | once more unto the bridge[sic] :) |
| 15:57.40 | judgen | MinceR still you want law and order? |
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| 15:57.53 | judgen | maki all of my free time |
| 15:58.08 | zention | I think most would go for anarchy nowadays apart from those employed by the governments |
| 15:58.11 | maki | Kommander dialog editor :)) |
| 15:58.15 | MinceR | judgen: no i don't |
| 15:58.50 | MinceR | some people might -- i think they're free to ruin their lives with it or whatever, but they should leave me out of it :> |
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| 16:01.39 | judgen | zention i dissagree, those who live under a non-milliraty regime, but you need organizing to get equallity. And NO im not talking about communizm, but the standard human rights. The right to travel, live, breed, and to be unshackled and slave |
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| 16:02.04 | Shag | hey guys |
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| 16:02.22 | Shag | any body installed citrix presentation server on FC7 64 bit? |
| 16:02.27 | judgen | military regimes (means nations thant spends more than 8% or its budget |
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| 16:02.48 | judgen | on the military |
| 16:02.52 | zention | judgen: well there in lies the rub - you give up those freedoms by allowing others to govern you |
| 16:03.01 | raf256 | Konsole is a KDE appl of 3rd party? |
| 16:03.12 | Shag | ye raf |
| 16:03.18 | raf256 | ye what? |
| 16:03.55 | raf256 | are konsole devels on purpose sabotaging users? |
| 16:04.07 | judgen | zention if you dont allow a "legal person" to work to check if the doctors are competent, how will you know they are? or even close? |
| 16:04.17 | raf256 | with the horrifing loud ears-tearing noise? |
| 16:04.19 | wolsni | raf256: konsole is part of KDE |
| 16:04.29 | raf256 | oh, so any idea why KDE is sabotaging users? |
| 16:04.46 | Shag | hehe nope no idea bout that |
| 16:04.58 | claudiu | symple go to settings in konsole and set bell to 'none' |
| 16:05.00 | zention | judgen: actually doctors are perhaps the worse culprits of creating despotic state in most modern democracies |
| 16:05.03 | raf256 | perhaps Konsol developers are all deaf? |
| 16:05.04 | MinceR | judgen: if you do, how will you know? :> |
| 16:05.05 | claudiu | simply go to settings in konsole and set bell to 'none' |
| 16:05.12 | raf256 | claudiu: I know, but my ears still hurt, literally |
| 16:05.17 | claudiu | hihi |
| 16:05.25 | raf256 | seriously, are there totally lame? |
| 16:05.38 | raf256 | not only that sound is horryfing, it gets amplifed like x10 |
| 16:05.43 | zention | they will soon ban drinking mark my words |
| 16:06.00 | Shag | its not ur speakers volume eh? |
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| 16:06.03 | wolsni | raf256: konsole doesn't do that here, must be a problem with your system |
| 16:06.05 | claudiu | zention: what country |
| 16:06.08 | raf256 | Shag: no |
| 16:06.32 | Shag | yeah its worked fine for me |
| 16:06.35 | zention | claudiu: well USA and UK are the most obvious but it is happening in the common wealth as well Australia, Canada and NewZealand |
| 16:06.39 | MinceR | zention: they're taking away more important rights first |
| 16:06.43 | Shag | must be some thing with ur sound card drivers |
| 16:06.44 | raf256 | if you press the key meany times, and system lags a bit (i.e. slow system) then it plays the bell sample say ten times at once - resulting in a horrible noise |
| 16:06.46 | MinceR | it's happening already |
| 16:06.48 | Shag | what chipset do u use? |
| 16:07.11 | zention | the largest guild in the UK and USA is BMA and AMA |
| 16:07.11 | Shag | is it a normal bell or is it distorted |
| 16:07.23 | raf256 | as I said, |
| 16:07.23 | amthpp | ain't the idea of separate countries/religions and alike a coolest thing since sliced bread? :-D |
| 16:07.31 | raf256 | Konsole plays the sample SEVERAL times at ONCE |
| 16:07.35 | Shag | ahh |
| 16:07.37 | raf256 | which is horrible |
| 16:07.39 | Shag | gotcha |
| 16:07.51 | raf256 | who the *#$#% programmed this |
| 16:07.55 | Shag | disable bell then i guess |
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| 16:08.08 | raf256 | if I would be in USA I would sue for a program that might damage ones hearing |
| 16:08.11 | Shag | I have a reasonably fast system i think so i guess i wont know that |
| 16:08.24 | raf256 | Shag: 1.5 GHz, doing nothing elese, laptop |
| 16:08.31 | raf256 | (I guess it was reading the sample from hdd) |
| 16:08.40 | Shag | prolly |
| 16:08.48 | raf256 | it is totally wrong to play that hirrible sound so meany times at once |
| 16:08.48 | Shag | disable the bell if its too irritating |
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| 16:08.55 | Shag | or switch to another file viewer |
| 16:09.10 | raf256 | Shag: I did. But another user might sue the idio^H genious who didnt limit of bells per second or something |
| 16:09.22 | Shag | yeah lol |
| 16:09.32 | raf256 | I would gladly beat up someone with a chair |
| 16:09.39 | raf256 | seriously my ears hurt |
| 16:09.42 | Shag | hey got any idea on citrix presentation server on FC7 64bit? |
| 16:09.43 | zention | MinceR: oh they have a lot of power - and a lot based around doubletalk |
| 16:09.49 | Shag | x86_64 |
| 16:10.14 | Shag | or a good presentation server that might be compatible maybe? |
| 16:11.32 | Shag | did i get disconnected? |
| 16:11.52 | Shag | hello . . . |
| 16:12.01 | Shag | anybody home? |
| 16:12.05 | raf256 | hmm |
| 16:12.06 | raf256 | Im here |
| 16:12.17 | amthpp | zzzZZZzzz :-D |
| 16:12.23 | pinotree | Shag: not a really kde question, sorry |
| 16:12.27 | raf256 | so, can I write the inredible moro^H brilliant guy who wrote that wonderfull beep without any limiting? |
| 16:12.32 | raf256 | and reccomend to fix it? |
| 16:12.37 | Shag | so used any alternative for a presentation server? |
| 16:12.38 | pinotree | yes, calm down |
| 16:12.39 | judgen | zention you´ve got a very good point. But in other areas i centralizatiob before anarchizm. As collaboration leeds to success (mostly but not always) |
| 16:12.59 | pinotree | raf256: insulting the developers won't give you a fix, neither make them happier |
| 16:13.23 | pinotree | raf256: so, condition 1) is you STOP random insult of konsole & its developers |
| 16:13.36 | raf256 | pinotree: my ears hurt, I should go to a doctor or something. |
| 16:13.54 | pinotree | so? insulting people will make them feel better? |
| 16:14.01 | raf256 | if it would be a payable program, I would definetelly beat the devel and sue |
| 16:14.02 | pinotree | will give you qoo$? |
| 16:14.10 | pinotree | oh come on |
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| 16:14.22 | pinotree | (that "qoo" was "100") |
| 16:14.59 | judgen | btw sorry for such an stupid question, couldnt McClintock iconts be included by default. I mean most people download the manywas. They are gpl, and even the tv show 24 uses them as default |
| 16:15.01 | raf256 | not only linux terminal concept of Bell is totally fscked up and from 90's, the Konsole actually doubles the effect |
| 16:15.11 | raf256 | and with no warning! it didnt beep before update |
| 16:15.15 | pinotree | raf256: you know you can disable the bell, don't you? |
| 16:15.27 | raf256 | pinotree: I did it AFTER it make my ears hurt |
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| 16:15.39 | pinotree | bad for you, sorry |
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| 16:15.46 | raf256 | if I was wearing headphones I might have had hearing damaged |
| 16:15.48 | amthpp | someone needs a hug. :-) |
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| 16:16.18 | raf256 | think of the users with hearing damaged thanks to some ######### that didnt think for a minute before implementing |
| 16:16.20 | pinotree | raf256: and again, this attitude won't make your hears feel better, neither solve the "problem" |
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| 16:16.38 | raf256 | pinotree: damaging users hearing is not a real problem? |
| 16:16.41 | pinotree | raf256: and stop insulting |
| 16:16.57 | pinotree | i did not say that - please read what i said |
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| 16:17.01 | maki | you know what would be cool in kde4 |
| 16:17.15 | amthpp | maki: working media player? |
| 16:17.16 | maki | ion like window managment features |
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| 16:17.20 | Tm_T | pinotree: did you notice you're wearing a funny hat? |
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| 16:17.27 | pinotree | Tm_T: nope |
| 16:17.38 | Tm_T | well you do (: |
| 16:18.02 | pinotree | Tm_T: look at a mirror, you've bunny hears :p |
| 16:18.12 | Tm_T | I know |
| 16:18.18 | pinotree | ... |
| 16:18.25 | judgen | wtf is wrong wit my irc client. it commmes ouet all wrong |
| 16:18.28 | raf256 | another cool thing in KDE4 would be to let go the 1990's concept of bell\ |
| 16:18.50 | pinotree | raf256: another cool thing would be user discovering the options |
| 16:18.50 | raf256 | or a system wide option [x] no, Im no 1990's geek, disable all the m.f. bells ffs |
| 16:19.14 | raf256 | pinotree: I did disabled it year ago. Now without any working, after upgrade, it reenabled self... |
| 16:19.20 | raf256 | * warning |
| 16:19.25 | maki | when using gimp or coding something tiling is realy great |
| 16:20.04 | maki | brb |
| 16:20.05 | pinotree | raf256: i'm using the same konsole configuration since kde 2.2, and since that i have "visible bell2 as option |
| 16:20.06 | zention | judgen: yes collaboration does tend to work better - but hierarchical organization lends itself to war |
| 16:20.21 | pinotree | and since that my setting has never been changed by any upgrade |
| 16:20.30 | raf256 | pinotree: it start making horrible lame noise today, I didnt touch config |
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| 16:20.42 | zention | judgen: or oppression |
| 16:21.08 | pinotree | are you sure it's konsole, and not something related to the system? |
| 16:21.25 | baskus | raf256, do you mean the bell that BEEPs? |
| 16:21.41 | raf256 | baskus: terminal bell |
| 16:21.53 | zention | we are all just a bunch of monkeys really, looking out for bannanas |
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| 16:21.55 | baskus | hardware disconnect it |
| 16:21.55 | baskus | :P |
| 16:22.16 | judgen | zention the difference between what folk wants and opression, even if democratic is thin lined |
| 16:22.40 | zention | judgen: well a true democracy might be fun |
| 16:23.10 | pinotree | judgen, zention: could you bring your private talk out of here, plase? |
| 16:23.25 | zention | judgen: but think from a true democracy it is easy to exclude minority - personally I tend towards libertarianism |
| 16:23.51 | amthpp | zention: bananas rule, too bad a true democracy is a pipe dream. :-( |
| 16:24.08 | amthpp | zention: when humans are involved that is. :-) |
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| 16:24.41 | warriorness | I have a question about klaptopdaemon - right-clicking on the systray icon shows the "suspend" option, but no "hibernate" option... I have been trying to get hibernate working with suspend2, and am wondering - does klaptopdaemon's Suspend function use suspend2, or regular swsusp or whatever? also, is there a way to edit this context menu? |
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| 16:25.25 | judgen | zention true |
| 16:25.35 | judgen | but beware of pitfalls |
| 16:25.54 | pinotree | judgen, zention: (2nd) could you bring your private talk out of here, please? |
| 16:26.17 | judgen | pinotree im sorry |
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| 16:26.53 | judgen | zention jone #wtfffs |
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| 16:28.14 | warriorness | I have all the options - including suspend and hibernate - checked in the klaptopdaemon's "acpi config" pane |
| 16:28.25 | warriorness | but still no hibernate option in the context menu |
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| 16:28.51 | achim_ | hello |
| 16:29.15 | achim_ | can anybody here tell me where to find the list of things the adblock filter of konqueror filters in .kde? |
| 16:29.17 | pinotree | warriorness: (don't use klaptopdaemon) i think it's not quite updated with the latest suspend goodies... |
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| 16:29.42 | pinotree | achim_: ~/.kde/share/config/khtmlrc |
| 16:29.55 | pinotree | achim_: [Filter Settings] group |
| 16:29.58 | warriorness | pinotree: so, it's not using suspend2? But regular suspend-to-ram seems to work fine, and that's better than what I've gotten so far with suspend2 |
| 16:30.10 | achim_ | pinotree: merci. |
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| 16:31.05 | pinotree | achim_: you're welcome |
| 16:31.11 | zention | which channel judgen? |
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| 16:32.02 | achim_ | hopefully KDE 4.x will have such a nice ad filter as firefox has. |
| 16:32.48 | pinotree | achim_: in kde-apps.org there's a sort of extension to make adblock better |
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| 17:14.28 | Red_Cloud | I want to create an entry in Kmenu using kmenuedit for a program that runs in Konsole. The program is hwinfo. If I manually open a Konsole and run the program, all is well and hwinfo prints to screen as it should. If I use the kmenu entry that I have created, the Konsole opens, hwinfo prints to screen and the Konsole immediately closes. How to I get Konsole to stay open after hwinfo prints to screen? The command that I use in kmenuedit |
| 17:14.28 | Red_Cloud | the hwinfo entry is "sudo gwinfo". Help? |
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| 17:15.09 | Liquid_Fire | how about sth like sudo gwinfo; read |
| 17:15.54 | Liquid_Fire | alternatively, konsole might have an option to stay open |
| 17:16.12 | Liquid_Fire | yeah it does, --noclose |
| 17:16.22 | Liquid_Fire | so just add that to the console options |
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| 17:16.37 | Liquid_Fire | *terminal options |
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| 17:22.42 | Red_Cloud | Liquid_Fire I have looked for an option in the man pages of sudo and haven't fount anything that looks to me like it would be an option for staying open. I will try the sudo gwinfo: read and see if that works. thanks! |
| 17:23.30 | eduardo | Red_Cloud: try using kdesu instead of sudo |
| 17:23.35 | Red_Cloud | Liquid_Fire I did not look at the options for Konsole. Let me also try that. |
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| 17:27.42 | wmind | what is the best kde svn gui out there? |
| 17:28.34 | apokryphos | websvn 8) |
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| 17:29.05 | Sho_ | wmind: kdesvn |
| 17:29.14 | stdin | but that's only to browse |
| 17:31.16 | wmind | Sho_: thanks! |
| 17:31.31 | wmind | stdin: and thanks for that tip too |
| 17:32.05 | Sho_ | kdesvn also integrates tightly into Konq, fwiw |
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| 17:36.54 | boxfire | Is there a way to make the embedded text viewer in konquerer read-write? |
| 17:37.16 | boxfire | Kwrite with tabs |
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| 17:45.38 | litb | fwiw ? |
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| 17:49.07 | stdin | litb: fwiw = for what it's worth |
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| 17:54.20 | bram85 | boxfire: no, parts are read only in Konqueror |
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| 17:54.42 | bram85 | boxfire: you can use kate if you want tabs, it has a tab plugin |
| 17:55.26 | secleinteer | hey, does anyone know of a good dark theme for kde? |
| 17:56.05 | bram85 | secleinteer: look at www.kde-look.org and decide for yourself |
| 17:56.19 | bram85 | because my definition of "good" may differ from yours, of course |
| 17:56.44 | secleinteer | bram85: well i did, but searching for "dark themes" doesn't exactly work...the names don't seem to match the color |
| 17:57.30 | secleinteer | just looking for some suggestions, that's all |
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| 18:09.22 | abby87 | hello every1 |
| 18:09.54 | warriorness | Is there a way to change which screen is "active" (i.e. focused) in a non-xinerama two-screen setup without using the mouse? some sort of keybinding maybe? |
| 18:09.55 | GraveDigger | t:) |
| 18:09.58 | GraveDigger | :) |
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| 18:16.44 | Red_Cloud | Liquid_Fire WOOHOO!! It took me a while but I finally got the syntax correct to get the hwinfo to open a konsole, print output to the same konsole, and have the konsole stay open after execution. My command ended up as "konsole --noclose -e /usr/sbin/hwinfo" without the "Run in Terminal" option ticked in menu editor. This simple command really took me quite a while. Thanks for the help and direction! |
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| 18:17.45 | randoman | Hi guys, anyone know why the fonts are 72+ in size after doing a kernel upgrade and intalling the latest intel video drivers. Im in ubuntu 7.04 |
| 18:17.45 | randoman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.59 | Lord_Devi | Is kde4 beta 1 at all pheasable as a day to day desktop at the moment does anyone think? Or is that just a silly idea? |
| 18:25.07 | warriorness | moretime 60 |
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| 18:25.18 | warriorness | wrong channel |
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| 18:31.18 | randoman | anyone? |
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| 18:36.45 | tso | hmm, is there a way to get kde to use single key shortcuts? |
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| 18:39.33 | Atzusac | hi all |
| 18:39.38 | Atzusac | i'm trying to configure a thin client using XDMCP, but after connecting X the login doesn't appear, and the console shows: |
| 18:39.38 | Atzusac | Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1 |
| 18:39.39 | Atzusac | AUDIT: Sat Aug 11 20:20:25 2007: 15811 Xorg: client 1 rejected from 192.168.1.2 |
| 18:39.39 | Atzusac | Fatal server error: |
| 18:39.39 | Atzusac | XDMCP fatal error: Session failed Session 509168002 failed for display |
| 18:39.40 | Atzusac | 192.168.1.130:0: cannot open display |
| 18:39.42 | Atzusac | anybody can help ? |
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| 18:44.45 | vbgunz | wow, after seeing the no flicker clips on Qt 4.4, I am a bit excited about it as an end user. from the comments and main story it appears, not only will it be much less resouce intensive but also appear very fast without the flickering. this is amazing. will KDE 4 sport Qt 4.4 OR will it most likely be seen in KDE 4.1 |
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| 18:45.42 | vbgunz | jusr curious, a conversation starter I suppose :) |
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| 18:47.02 | amthpp | vbgunz: I was told it will not come before kde-4.0. |
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| 18:48.19 | Skrot- | Qt 4.4 will probably not be out in time for 4.0, but surely 4.1 |
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| 18:48.56 | vbgunz | Skrot-: KDE 4.1 sounds like it's gonna rock, cant wait to see the no flickering Qt 4.4 |
| 18:49.10 | Skrot- | It's great news allright :) |
| 18:49.10 | amthpp | bigger thing IMO on Qt-4.4 is the audio-video stuff coming. :-) |
| 18:49.23 | Skrot- | av stuff in Qt? are they adopting phonon? |
| 18:49.40 | amthpp | looks like it. :-) |
| 18:49.45 | Skrot- | wow, cool |
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| 18:50.28 | vbgunz | I haven't really readup on the av... the flickering problem is something I noticed a long time ago and lived with. I always said something is wrong with it and it appears so AND addressed in Qt 4.4. wow, really, sounds excellent + compiz fusion would probably make a nice bundle |
| 18:51.09 | vbgunz | I am waiting on compize fusion to solidfy before messing with it. I hope they play nice together though when they're both ready |
| 18:52.24 | Skrot- | vbgunz: KDE 4 will come with native composition support in kwin though |
| 18:52.39 | Skrot- | Hopefully, kwin and compiz fusion can find a common plug-in format in time |
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| 18:53.06 | amthpp | Skrot-: I would not bet on it. :-S |
| 18:53.31 | Red_Cloud | Whenever I open an application as su the KDE su dialogue window has an option to tick: "Keep Password". I always tick this option but have yet to see any benefit. What does this option do? |
| 18:53.41 | vbgunz | Skrot-: I saw some amazing eye candy in compiz fusion and the best part is, it just isn't eye candy. window grouping, window consolidating, a bunch of nice stuff for the improvement of the workflow is involved. heh, I feel I am on the inside of the newest hotness :) |
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| 18:54.19 | amthpp | vbgunz: who haven't seen all those youtube videos. :-D |
| 18:54.49 | vbgunz | yeah, youtube delivers the hotness ;) |
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| 18:55.38 | vbgunz | Red_Cloud: not sure what "password" tick box you're talking about :/ |
| 18:56.21 | vbgunz | I don't see it on "run command" OR "kde su"... |
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| 18:57.28 | MilesMi | Red_Cloud: All of KDE problems of not remembering passwords I've ever seen are because kwallet is not active |
| 18:58.37 | MilesMi | perhaps KDE should gray-out this option on password dialogs (or proper warn the user) when kwallet is not active, this is a usability issue |
| 19:00.10 | Red_Cloud | vbgunz if you create an entry in kmenu for an application which requires su, such as a firewall or device manager or such, then whenever you open the package using the kmenu entry you will be prompted to login as su. Beneath the password field is a small option box to tick to "Keep Password". That is the option of which I am confused. |
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| 19:00.35 | patpi | Hi |
| 19:00.44 | patpi | is there any way to add panel from terminal? |
| 19:01.31 | patpi | I need this becouse all panels on Desktop1 (2 X's with dual view) disapered |
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| 19:01.57 | patpi | and i don;t see this in systemsettings |
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| 19:02.06 | Red_Cloud | MilesMi that is probably so. I have not activated kwallet since I installed Linux. Let me activate it and see if that would make a difference in the Keep Password option. Thanks. |
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| 19:02.13 | logixoul | hi guys, How do I burn an audiocd from ape+cue? k3b says format not supported. |
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| 19:02.46 | bram85 | patpi: is kicker running? press Alt + F2 in that case and type 'kicker' |
| 19:03.14 | logixoul | Red_Cloud: well, "kwallet" and "the keep password option" are basically synonymous :) |
| 19:03.49 | vbgunz | Red_Cloud: I cannot reproduce it. I do not see the password tick box. maybe like MilesMi mentioned, you may need to enable kwallet |
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| 19:05.03 | patpi | bram85: kicker is working, now i see probably resolution is not for widescreen. Need X restart, will check |
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| 19:10.00 | patpi | bram85: now left monitor works but i have twinview now ;( not two x's... |
| 19:10.02 | patpi | but it's another problem. Will fix this |
| 19:10.19 | patpi | thanx for help, your answer give me an idea |
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| 19:14.02 | dsc_home | In kmail, when I finally send a draft, it's automatically removed from my Draft folder, apparently. Is there any way to keep it there? |
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| 19:25.04 | logixoul | Guys, how do I burn an audiocd from ape+cue? K3b says "format not supported". |
| 19:26.37 | tso | ape? |
| 19:27.11 | MilesMi | there is an ape plugin for k3b |
| 19:27.24 | MilesMi | I don't know where... google should know |
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| 19:37.51 | stdin | logixoul: I think .ape is some compresses format, you'll need to convert it |
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| 19:41.06 | i_is_cat | how do i make a window borderless in kde? it was win+t on flux... |
| 19:41.20 | benJIman | i_is_cat: right click titlebar -> advanced -> no border |
| 19:41.38 | i_is_cat | i dont have that option listed.. |
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| 19:41.48 | benJIman | What version of KDE are you using? |
| 19:41.52 | i_is_cat | 3.5 |
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| 19:42.02 | benJIman | Perhaps it's translated differently? |
| 19:42.28 | i_is_cat | :/ |
| 19:42.49 | i_is_cat | certain programs i'd like to be borderless ;) |
| 19:43.29 | benJIman | Are you sure you're looking where I said? |
| 19:43.50 | benJIman | You don't have http://benjiweber.co.uk/kwin-no-border.png ? |
| 19:43.56 | benJIman | What does yours look like? |
| 19:44.01 | benJIman | You're not using kubuntu are you? |
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| 19:44.49 | wolsni | i_is_cat: you can set it to any shortcut you like in kcontrol |
| 19:45.08 | i_is_cat | i use slackware 12 |
| 19:45.17 | i_is_cat | its only been installed like 3 days |
| 19:45.27 | benJIman | i_is_cat: Does yours not look like my screenshot? |
| 19:45.29 | i_is_cat | and ya i got the advanced part of the menu but the borderless isnt listed |
| 19:45.43 | benJIman | What kind of window is it? |
| 19:45.44 | wolsni | i_is_cat: Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts; search for "border" |
| 19:45.47 | benJIman | Is it missing on every window? |
| 19:45.53 | i_is_cat | no i only have the first 3 options from your pic there |
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| 19:46.15 | benJIman | How odd. |
| 19:46.19 | i_is_cat | doesnt matter which one.. i was initially trying with xine but its the same thing for xchat and konsole |
| 19:46.21 | i_is_cat | and opera |
| 19:46.38 | i_is_cat | wolsni, i will check right now |
| 19:46.45 | unity | hi, how safe do you think it is for me to a use a .kde from 3.5.7 and copy it to a computer running 3.5.5? |
| 19:47.03 | wolsni | unity: safe enough to try :) |
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| 19:47.12 | TBC_Ly0n | Hello, everybody :) |
| 19:47.21 | wolsni | if it doesn't work you can always just remove it and go back to defaults |
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| 19:47.37 | unity | i'm trying to decide whether to compile 3.5.5 or .7, so if i try and it doesn't work, i lose a lot of time... =/ |
| 19:47.46 | TBC_Ly0n | I want to run KDE and export the display to my XP's box with Xming 6.9.0.28... |
| 19:47.56 | TBC_Ly0n | If I use XDCMP, it works fine... |
| 19:48.08 | i_is_cat | hmm wolsni i did what you suggested, found hide window border, and then made with win+t command.. cuz i'm used to it.. but it doesnt work |
| 19:48.18 | unity | the problem with .7 is that it's masked in portage, and this is a stable production system |
| 19:48.19 | wolsni | unity: why would you want to run 3.5.5? |
| 19:48.27 | i_is_cat | now.. i dont know if it matters.. but i'm using compiz as well.. |
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| 19:48.30 | wolsni | i_is_cat: are you using another window manager maybe? |
| 19:48.34 | TBC_Ly0n | If i connect with putty and then startkde, the kde desktop loads fine... and freezes... it freezes when I want to use ksokoban, ktron, xmms, when I close openoffice... |
| 19:48.43 | wolsni | i_is_cat: you need to look in the compiz settings then |
| 19:48.48 | TBC_Ly0n | What could i try to fine the real problem? |
| 19:48.52 | TBC_Ly0n | Using blackbox, I have no problems. |
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| 19:49.23 | dimanish_ | hello, people, how to quick view info pages in konqueror? man - #, info - ?... |
| 19:49.26 | TBC_Ly0n | (but blackbox is ugly :p ) |
| 19:50.48 | me_ | dimanish: i use 'man:' |
| 19:51.09 | wolsni | dimanish_: for info pages I just type out info: |
| 19:51.33 | i_is_cat | k.. |
| 19:51.41 | me_ | i'm a bit of a newbie so listen to him |
| 19:51.49 | dimanish_ | wolsni, yeah, but exists short combiantion, like # for mans |
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| 19:53.25 | unity | i have a horrible answer to every oss software question: look at the source. |
| 19:54.46 | TBC_Ly0n | :) |
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| 20:12.47 | level1_ | hi, does konqueror have an about config or similar? |
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| 20:14.10 | Blissex | level1_: yes. |
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| 20:14.40 | level1_ | Blissex: what is it? about:config just gives me the kde home page thing |
| 20:15.18 | Blissex | level1_: 'about:konqueror' or 'settings:' |
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| 20:23.29 | logixoul | MilesMi, stdin: thanks guys |
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| 20:28.46 | unity | does konqueror have chrome://? |
| 20:29.08 | wolsni | unity: no |
| 20:29.57 | unity | or an equivalent...? |
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| 20:30.52 | wolsni | konqueror isn't put together the same way as firefox/mozilla so no |
| 20:31.05 | unity | it's just fun to play around with |
| 20:31.50 | wolsni | most of the settings are available in the gui, there are a few you can only access by modifying the config file |
| 20:32.46 | wolsni | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hidden%20configuration lists some hidden config stuff for different KDE apps |
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| 21:32.41 | SAS_Spidey01 | What would be a _good_ channel to ask a question about Kaffeine, relating to playing things via Konqueror plugin & Externally? |
| 21:33.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | When I play this stream in konqueror it plays fine via the kaffine plugin, just like WMP on my other box. But when I tell it to play in kaffeine externally -- it can't open the file |
| 21:36.29 | amth | #kaffeine? |
| 21:39.05 | Sho_ | SAS_Spidey01: Are you sure you're using the Kaffeine plugin in Konq and not KMPlayer? |
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| 21:41.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | Sho_, I don't have kmplayer installed |
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| 21:43.11 | Sho_ | OK. It was an easy assumption to make considering Kaffeine is very poor at the embedded video use case while KMPlayer was designed to handle it. |
| 21:43.41 | JamesB192 | I was wondering if he meant noatun and kaffeine/xine. |
| 21:43.59 | SAS_Spidey01 | Not to mention that konquerors settings->plugins dialog tells me kaffeineplugin.la is all it has |
| 21:44.36 | SAS_Spidey01 | I _hate_ kaffeine with a passion.... but it's the out of the box solution here |
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| 21:46.25 | Sho_ | JamesB192: KMPlayer can actually use Xine and GStreamer, too |
| 21:46.55 | Sho_ | JamesB192: But unlike the Kaffeine plugin, it implements a number of playlist formats and scripting interfaces useful in the embedded web video context |
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| 21:49.01 | SAS_Spidey01 | soory, had to get the door |
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| 21:50.03 | SAS_Spidey01 | I get the same results pasting the link (according to kaffeineplugin) into kaffeine (external), amarok, |
| 21:50.04 | bjoernb | hello |
| 21:50.22 | Sho_ | JamesB192: KPlayer is actually very old (but has recently seen a resurgence in development activity). It's the most fully featured standalone video player for KDE, but it doesn't cover the embedded use case very well, and can only use MPlayer. |
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| 21:51.25 | SAS_Spidey01 | When I try mplayer It shouts that it failed to load avisyntx.dll |
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| 21:51.55 | bjoernb | i have xfce4 installed but also kdebase. when i am using kpdf and try to switch to presentation mode. the mode uses only the middle of my monitor not the whole screen. |
| 21:51.58 | SAS_Spidey01 | I used to use kplayer, never tried it embedded but I liked it very much for using mplayer /w KDE |
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| 21:52.04 | Assid | dll ? |
| 21:52.17 | bjoernb | SAS_Spidey01: try to use w32codecs |
| 21:52.48 | SAS_Spidey01 | http://pastebin.ca/653885 |
| 21:53.01 | Sho_ | Assid: MPlayer can load a number of Win32 binary codecs distributed as .dll files |
| 21:53.17 | Assid | hrmm |
| 21:53.17 | Sho_ | Linux distributions commonly have them in a win32codecs or w32codecs package |
| 21:53.24 | Assid | i have a licensed divx codec ! |
| 21:53.27 | wolsni | bjoernb: the presentation mode in kpdf fits the entire page on the screen |
| 21:53.45 | bjoernb | wolsni: not here. |
| 21:53.56 | wolsni | if your pdf is not the same aspect ratio as your screen, then there will be black bands |
| 21:53.58 | bjoernb | wolsni: it uses only a postcard sized place |
| 21:53.58 | SAS_Spidey01 | grepp'ing that directory I see avimszh, avizlib, and jp2avi DLL's but not avisynth |
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| 21:54.07 | Sho_ | wolsni: My hunch is he's an nVidia TwinView user and the fullscreen mode puts the window in the middle of the two screens |
| 21:54.27 | SAS_Spidey01 | I'm going to see if I can find out how old my All Codecs package is |
| 21:54.34 | Sho_ | at least that happened to me once |
| 21:54.35 | Sho_ | :) |
| 21:55.40 | SAS_Spidey01 | AllCodecs20061022, now to check mplayers site |
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| 21:56.14 | bjoernb | if you tell me where to upload a screenshot i will do so. |
| 21:56.26 | GraveDigger | imageshack.us |
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| 21:56.30 | Sho_ | Of course it could also be a bug in the XFce window manager |
| 21:56.50 | DaSkreech | Sho_: I always thought KMplayer was KPlayer |
| 21:56.59 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.05 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: No, they're seperate applications |
| 21:57.17 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Kmplayer is the embedded one? |
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| 21:57.39 | wolsni | they both provide KParts |
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| 21:58.13 | wolsni | but KMplayer makes much more effort to act like certain plugins on windows so it has better compatibility with online video sites |
| 21:58.19 | DaSkreech | Cause I pretty much hate KMplayer except it's the best embedded player I've found |
| 21:58.36 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: KMPlayer was designed as an embedded video player for KMPlayer, and is the most complete implementation for that use case currently available on Linux. It also supplies a minimalistic standalone app. It can use MPlayer, Xine and GStreamer. KPlayer is primarily a standalone videoplayer that can only use MPlayer and focusses on making as much of its featureset available as possible. It also has a video library. It makes no special effort to handle the embedded |
| 21:58.36 | bjoernb | http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kpdfpresentationku5.png |
| 21:58.42 | Sho_ | use case. |
| 21:58.42 | DaSkreech | AH ok So keep KMPlayer then :) what's KPlayer's Klaim to fame? |
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| 21:58.56 | Sho_ | *as an embedded video player for Konqueror |
| 21:59.21 | wolsni | DaSkreech: kplayer provides a UI for most of mplayer's considerable featureset |
| 21:59.29 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: KPlayer's claim to faim was in my line .. |
| 21:59.37 | Sho_ | err, fame |
| 21:59.38 | bjoernb | wolsni: see the link. |
| 21:59.40 | Sho_ | damn typing disorder :-) |
| 21:59.55 | SAS_Spidey01 | *sighs* mplayerhqs tarball has the same date as my all codecs package |
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| 22:00.28 | DaSkreech | Sho_: By Full featured do you mean complex? :) |
| 22:00.32 | wolsni | bjoernb: i've provided all the info I have; maybe try with another window manager to see if it works |
| 22:00.39 | Sho_ | bjoernb: Chances are XFce's window manager is too dumb to handle _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN correctly |
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| 22:00.53 | bjoernb | Sho_: same with fluxbox |
| 22:01.08 | GraveDigger | Sho_: and you are right... |
| 22:01.11 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Actually the menus and such are pretty clean, but the default toolbar setup is rather convoluted. With a little toolbar taiming it's very nice, though. http://www.eikehein.com/files/kplayer.png |
| 22:01.14 | bjoernb | but keyjnote can do fullscreen |
| 22:01.18 | GraveDigger | Sho_: at least the xfwm-4.4 is still too dumb |
| 22:01.48 | wolsni | Sho_: I use it with just the progress bar most of the time :) |
| 22:02.41 | Sho_ | wolsni: I'm happy the author accepted two of my proposals for 0.6.3 (add an option to hide the ugly tickmarks on the seekbar: one less patch I need to carry around ;) and only hide the cursor on the video widget after a short while of inactivity. Now it's just about perfect. |
| 22:02.59 | DaSkreech | Hmm I'll play with it a bit |
| 22:03.00 | wolsni | Sho_: that sounds great |
| 22:03.02 | unity | per widget transparency...or RGBA pixmapped windows...are they here yet? |
| 22:03.30 | Sho_ | unity: KDE has been shipping a composition manager that allows windows to use ARGB visuals successfully since KDE 3.4.0 |
| 22:03.36 | secleinteer | hi, does anyone know the service type for removable media? |
| 22:03.53 | unity | Sho_: meaning each pixel on the window has it's own r, g, b, AND alpha? |
| 22:04.34 | Sho_ | unity: If the composition manager is running and the application choses to use an ARGB visual, yes |
| 22:04.57 | unity | Sho_: but widget's can't be put one top of each other with transparency yet, right? |
| 22:05.05 | Sho_ | unity: They can in Qt4 |
| 22:05.10 | Sho_ | unity: But not in Qt3, no |
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| 22:05.34 | unity | and KDE4 libs have such widgets? |
| 22:05.42 | Sho_ | KDE4 uses Qt4, yes |
| 22:06.34 | Sho_ | Come to think of it I'm not sure if you mean widgets in the sense that developers use them (interface elements) or desktop widgets, but both can be composited on top of each other now so it doesn't matter ;) |
| 22:06.59 | unity | in that case, i was wondering if this: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials is available in an offline format and also the api |
| 22:07.13 | unity | i tend to program on bus rides |
| 22:07.28 | unity | or should i wget it recursively? |
| 22:07.33 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Just Nod and say Yes. Yes we can |
| 22:07.40 | thiago | the API is available offline |
| 22:07.45 | thiago | it's the .h files |
| 22:07.59 | pinotree | or api.kde.org, there are the downloadable tarballs |
| 22:08.12 | pinotree | or also, distro provide packages for the apidox |
| 22:08.24 | Sho_ | And thiago doesn't mean that you should read the .h files, but that the online HTML docs are generated from the information contained in the .h files by a tool called doxygen |
| 22:08.29 | Assid | woulda been nice if i knew how to code in c |
| 22:08.38 | Sho_ | Which can also generate PDFs, iirc |
| 22:09.11 | thiago | well, you can read the .h because the Doxygen documentation is human-readable |
| 22:09.28 | Sho_ | That's debatable ;) |
| 22:09.35 | unity | but searching through it would be a pain |
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| 22:09.55 | Sho_ | But it gets the job done |
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| 22:10.04 | DaSkreech | DocBook? |
| 22:10.12 | unity | next, we need to have per-pixel blur strength for transparent pixels |
| 22:10.39 | unity | mwa ha ha ha |
| 22:11.02 | Sho_ | unity: kwin in KDE4 implements a gaussian blur filter that can e.g. blur the surface area behind a translucent window |
| 22:11.19 | GraveDigger | nice :) |
| 22:11.31 | unity | yes, but not only particular parts? |
| 22:11.48 | unity | suppose one part of the window needs a stronger blur than a different part |
| 22:11.50 | Sho_ | unity: Nope, that would require some thought and standardization |
| 22:12.03 | unity | this is like...WAY in the future |
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| 22:13.21 | unity | textboxes would maybe want stronger blur than say toolbars |
| 22:13.50 | Sho_ | unity: kwin presently deals with window surfaces as segmented into quads, which allows effects to e.g. treat the window decoration and the client area differently (as well as apply transformations to vertices), that's as far as "particular parts" goes atm |
| 22:14.03 | wolsni | couldn't they just be less transparent, unity? |
| 22:14.27 | unity | wolsni: that is an alternative, i suppose |
| 22:15.06 | unity | but once, even per-pixel transparency was viewed as a useless and superfluous feature seemingly only for eyecadny |
| 22:15.18 | Sho_ | I expect as the composition stuff develops we'll eventually see some standards for the usual blend modes and a couple of filters |
| 22:16.12 | wolsni | unity: in what way is it not superfluous? |
| 22:17.00 | prs | hi. |
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| 22:24.32 | bjoernb | how to tell konqueror to use the firefox flash plugin flashplugin-nonfree instead of klash? |
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| 22:26.28 | amth | does anybody where one could find the Qt4 version of filelight? as it's not at extragear/utils anymore... |
| 22:27.03 | amth | anybody know where :-) |
| 22:27.17 | monchevique | no |
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| 22:28.05 | amth | too bad, it was a cool app. :-S |
| 22:28.54 | smileaf | if its not ported to Qt then it wouldn't be in /trunk |
| 22:28.59 | smileaf | err.. Qt4 |
| 22:29.17 | amth | yep |
| 22:29.21 | pinotree | amth: it was not removed |
| 22:29.33 | pinotree | the kde3 extragear has moved, branches/extragear/kde3/ |
| 22:29.38 | bjoernb | how to get flash working with konqueror? |
| 22:29.46 | pinotree | in trunk/extragear there is the kde4 extragear |
| 22:29.57 | amth | pinotree: just on the Qt3 side, but as there was talk about it being ported to Qt4 was looking would there be a proto. :-) |
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| 22:30.19 | pinotree | bjoernb: kde control center -> internat & network -> web browsing -> plugins |
| 22:30.40 | pinotree | make sure you have listed there only the flash plugin you need |
| 22:30.48 | pinotree | adjust the plugin paths, and do a rescan |
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| 22:31.57 | bjoernb | pinotree: i have 3 flash plugins listed in about:plugins |
| 22:32.16 | bjoernb | Shockwave Flash 7.0 libklashpart.so |
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| 22:33.27 | bjoernb | when i look at flash content i get the message klash stopped at the bottom of the window. so i assume it tries to use libklashpart.so |
| 22:33.51 | bjoernb | in the config-dialogue i can just specify paths not the plugins. |
| 22:36.40 | bjoernb | what am i doing wrong |
| 22:36.47 | bjoernb | ? |
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| 23:12.01 | fribuntu_ | I am looking for stencils to be used in kivio that actually look like the icons in the selection menu as seen in this screenshot: http://www.koffice.org/kivio/pics/kivio-cvs20030706.png |
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| 23:58.49 | waawaamilk | hi. I'm not quite running kde (only kdeinit on starting X), and I cannot get the kde screensaver to start after just one minute of idle time. Is there something else I should be doing to make it start? Are there logs anywhere I can view? |
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