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| 00:09.53 | msg-gol | what was the command for changing rooms? |
| 00:10.05 | Sho_ | /join #channel |
| 00:10.10 | msg-gol | thanks |
| 00:13.29 | unity | how can i set certain attributes with kstart that i can put special options for in the kwin config? |
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| 00:13.51 | unity | kstart --windowclass Iamsilly mplayer 1vhfUHzhazE.flv |
| 00:14.04 | unity | and then i made a rule for windows with a windowclass of Iamsilly |
| 00:14.22 | unity | but apparently, the WM_CLASS didn't get set to Iamsilly, the option i specified does something else |
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| 00:16.40 | unity | and setting --caption Iamsilly also doesn't set the window title to Iamsilly, so i'm not understanding how kstart works |
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| 00:20.06 | Liquid_Fire | kstart doesn't actually start the window with the properties you give it, it starts it and immediately sets these properties, so if you give it a --windowclass it can find the window easier |
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| 00:21.30 | unity | i don't really understand what kstart is doing... =/ |
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| 00:24.33 | Liquid_Fire | you can pass -noborder to mplayer |
| 00:24.52 | Liquid_Fire | (it may not work with all video output engines though) |
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| 00:25.26 | Liquid_Fire | you can also pass it -geometry to put it somewhere on the screen, though unless all videos are the same size or the corner you want is upper-left, it may not be of extreme help |
| 00:25.42 | Liquid_Fire | oh, it can actually |
| 00:25.54 | Liquid_Fire | -geometry 100%:100% for bottom-right, for instance |
| 00:26.38 | Liquid_Fire | so provided -noborder works for your output engine, i think this is everything you needed |
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| 00:27.09 | Liquid_Fire | mplayer -shuffle -loop 0 -playlist /path/to/playlist -noborder -geometry (whatever) |
| 00:27.55 | unity | i was playing around with -noborder but still got a border |
| 00:28.21 | Liquid_Fire | hmm... well i use -vo xv and get no border (even without -noborder) |
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| 00:33.19 | unity | maybe mplayer can help. thanks for pointing me in the correct direction |
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| 00:46.18 | timrs | can I force knetworkmanager to startup at phase 2 instead of after panel, or will the icon refuse to show if i try? |
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| 00:48.09 | timrs | ello? can i force all the apps in the systray to start at phase 2 instead of after kde startup? or will the icons not appear in the systray? |
| 00:49.47 | timrs | in .desktop files, does # mark the start of a comment? |
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| 00:56.46 | timrs | today is my worst experience with kde ever. |
| 00:57.26 | timrs | is anyone there? |
| 00:58.45 | timrs | can someone tell my why google desktop still starts up after adding the last line here: http://pastebin.com/d7060f3b9 |
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| 01:09.29 | unity | i feel your pain man. also, i have no idea how to fix those =( |
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| 01:11.05 | timrs | GAWERAJSDLFJ~!!! |
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| 01:11.24 | timrs | I hate these *.desktop files in /opt/kde3/share/autostart |
| 01:11.34 | timrs | changing them changes nothing! |
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| 01:12.52 | timrs | I'm going to make everything load at phase 0!!! muahahaha! |
| 01:13.54 | timrs | Does anyone have any experience with killing the opensuse updater applet manually? the configure button is greyed out... |
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| 01:14.18 | Airer-girl | hi just curious, can anyone show me what kind of desktop setup looks nice with icons?? or is it better if the desktop doesn't have icons? |
| 01:14.46 | timrs | wow, i just wondered why i have icons now.. i never use them... |
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| 01:14.58 | fred | http://fred.uwcs.co.uk/b/ws-20070822a.jpg |
| 01:15.28 | unity | Airer-girl: desktop icons may distract you from your work if your window isn't maximized |
| 01:15.46 | unity | Airer-girl: even if you aren't looking at them, your brain is subconsciously processing their existance from the corner of your eye |
| 01:15.50 | Airer-girl | me neither I am just curious if anyone ever made icons look good |
| 01:15.55 | Airer-girl | lol unity... |
| 01:16.29 | timrs | the only icon i would ever think of changing is the trash icon... |
| 01:16.30 | Airer-girl | that's such a cute screenshot with no icons... |
| 01:17.44 | fred | I don't know why, but the right hand side reminds me of gw280... |
| 01:17.59 | Airer-girl | gw280? |
| 01:18.33 | fred | George Wright |
| 01:18.36 | fred | aww, he's not here :( |
| 01:18.45 | fred | Anyway... good night |
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| 01:23.26 | sensei_ | hola amigos |
| 01:23.33 | timrs | kwallet died to me, it deletes all my passwords every time i logout now... |
| 01:23.34 | timrs | hola |
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| 01:25.31 | timrs | vama a #kde-es |
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| 01:41.47 | |timrs| | its so frustrating to know how to fix a problem in ten seconds, but its the wrong way to fix it! |
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| 01:43.10 | killown|away | hey .. I want a program to view, organize, edit and share the digital photos anyone known ? |
| 01:43.33 | |timrs| | digikam and picasa |
| 01:43.44 | killown|away | ohh ty |
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| 01:44.18 | killown|away | |hunter|, videos too |
| 01:44.31 | killown|away | I want to organize videos , films etc.. |
| 01:44.47 | |timrs| | picasa is slower but has tons more features, that should handle video |
| 01:45.00 | |timrs| | picasa.google.com/linux i believe |
| 01:45.33 | killown|away | |timrs| picasa are low.. |
| 01:45.39 | killown|away | I go to try digikam |
| 01:46.02 | |timrs| | that might not handle videos... i don't think it does at least... |
| 01:47.11 | killown|away | ok |
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| 01:54.24 | wolsni | actually, digikam does handle videos |
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| 02:10.24 | timrs | i killed kwallet, every time kwallet closes a wallet it loses all the stuff in the wallet... |
| 02:11.04 | timrs | and i got googled... i can't stop google desktop from autostarting, can someone help with that? |
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| 02:12.05 | killown|away | dophin on kde 3.5 does not support kde ioslave? |
| 02:12.15 | timrs | wat? |
| 02:12.38 | timrs | the kde4 version should at least, i think they're 2 different versions now that i think |
| 02:13.24 | timrs | and my keyboards sticky.... waaahh!!!! |
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| 02:19.57 | jon_ | Is there a way to make konqueror use the firefox rendering engine for certain sites? |
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| 02:23.02 | Shirakawasuna | hmm, this git project (swfdec-konqueror) uses cmake, should I assume it needs kde4 stuff? |
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| 02:23.29 | dr_byson | hellow , I have problem with conky in kde |
| 02:23.37 | dr_byson | the icons at the time of activating conky are not seen me |
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| 02:40.00 | Shirakawasuna | sorry if this isn't OT, but I'm having issues compiling a -git version of swfdec-konqueror: http://phpfi.com/257808 . Does anyone have an idea of what those errors mean? |
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| 02:43.53 | timrs | can't resist gnome, must stop self..... bang! |
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| 02:54.34 | scrubb | Help, anyone? |
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| 02:54.42 | timrs | ello |
| 02:55.21 | scrubb | guidance-power-manager.py crashes every time I log on with a signal 11 (SIGSEGV) |
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| 02:55.58 | scrubb | I checked launchpad but didn't find anything related. So I submitted a question there a minute ago. |
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| 02:59.19 | scrubb | Any ideas, anyone? |
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| 03:35.24 | level1 | Hi guys, I know this is precicely a compiz problem, but it seems to be kde related and the compiz guys haven't been helping me |
| 03:35.59 | level1 | basically, konqueror (and probably some other tabbed apps) slow down enough to be very annoying when I use compiz (and there for I don't use compiz) |
| 03:36.09 | level1 | if I stop compiz and restart konqueror, its fine |
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| 03:47.44 | FuriousGeorge | hey all |
| 03:47.54 | FuriousGeorge | im using gentoo, still not able to get sound working in kde apps |
| 03:48.01 | FuriousGeorge | only non-kde appear to be able to use alsa |
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| 03:48.35 | FuriousGeorge | even when i try to manually point kde sound settings to /dev/dsp and have it use alsa (vs. autodetect) it doesnt work. |
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| 03:48.48 | FuriousGeorge | i ran kde from the console to see what kde spits out when i test the sound http://www.pastebin.ca/666427 |
| 03:48.55 | FuriousGeorge | it appears to think everything works fine |
| 03:49.28 | FuriousGeorge | if i point sound settings to /dev/dsp it says no such device. i can also try to point to plug:dmix, and that doesnt complain, but still no sound |
| 03:51.21 | sebzzz | Hi, I'm new here, and just wanted to say hello to the KDE community |
| 03:51.45 | sebzzz | after about 4 years of Gnome using, I've been switching to KDE and now I'm not planning on going back, and I'm looking forward to KDE4. |
| 03:51.45 | sebzzz | The reason why I didn't let a chance to KDE before was that I found the basic desktop layout so ugly. But my Gnome is so instable and slow in Ubuntu Gutsy testing that it forced me to try it deeper, and I have to say I was quite amazed what I can do. |
| 03:52.04 | sebzzz | So far I miss little things from Gnome, but I'm pretty sure it will get fixed. I like the Amorak music player and Katapult a lot. However, Ubuntu seems to get more love than Kubuntu and Compiz Fusion doesn't work right of the box. |
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| 04:37.33 | FuriousGeorge | ok, it appears that kde is trying to use a device somewhere called "default". this apparently works for firefox at least sometimes, because when i try to start kde sound while firefox is playing a sound im told device "default" is busy |
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| 04:41.09 | monsterb | !sync |
| 04:41.31 | monsterb | Hi All |
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| 04:43.50 | FuriousGeorge | could there be something i built into my gentoo kernel that prevents sound on kde |
| 04:44.05 | monsterb | My USB-Key icon no longer on desktop. I like to right click on it and choose 'safetly remove' ... how can i get it back on there? |
| 04:44.17 | FuriousGeorge | what should i be doing here? im tyring to avoid filing a bug report if it is something simple, but i didnt just install kde for the first time, and ive never had this issue |
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| 04:45.49 | Jeff_ | #fedora |
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| 04:50.42 | AngryElf | if I open a bunch of separate sessions in one konsole window and then do Settings -> Save as default, the next time I open a konsole it only has one session |
| 04:50.55 | AngryElf | how can I make it remember my sessions? |
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| 05:24.08 | snarkster | hi i donwloaded the source for konverter but there is no configure file, i do see kdevelop files tho.. how do i compile this? |
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| 06:13.19 | backtick | hi all, is there a way to adjust the font size of the text under icons in toolbars? |
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| 06:23.11 | sabayonlive-3059 | #firefox |
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| 07:04.54 | hayig2000 | hi all, how to create a shortcut to a certain file? |
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| 07:08.14 | Shirakawasuna | ln -s <file> <shortcut> |
| 07:08.43 | Shirakawasuna | can anyone help me figure out this compile error? It's from git so I didn't expect it to work perfectly, but I was hoping it'd at least compile without errors: http://phpfi.com/257808 |
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| 07:09.59 | hayig2000 | with gui |
| 07:10.12 | hayig2000 | i hate commands |
| 07:10.39 | Shirakawasuna | have you tried... right-clicking? |
| 07:10.53 | hayig2000 | yes!! |
| 07:12.09 | Shirakawasuna | right click > new > link to location... |
| 07:12.40 | Shirakawasuna | if you're using dolphin I don't think the kde3 version has that yet |
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| 07:44.51 | sabayonlive-5599 | türkçe paylaþým varmý burada |
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| 07:46.21 | dissection | Hello. Anyone know what the url to the web interface of ktorrent is? |
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| 07:51.32 | oversize | dissection, you mean your localy runnin ktorrent ? |
| 07:51.42 | dissection | yes |
| 07:51.45 | oversize | you could just scan yourself |
| 07:51.57 | dissection | How? |
| 07:52.11 | oversize | nmap 127.0.0.1 ... or so |
| 07:52.15 | oversize | i dont scan often ;) |
| 07:52.29 | oversize | or use netstat |
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| 07:53.20 | oversize | or lsof -i TCP |
| 07:53.52 | oversize | or just see ktorrent page :) |
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| 08:08.58 | ElvanorAtWork | Can someone spend a bit of time to explain me how wallets work, especially with respect to Kopete? |
| 08:09.18 | ElvanorAtWork | Kopete wants to store its pasword information on a wallet and keeps asking me for the password |
| 08:09.56 | benJIman | ElvanorAtWork: kde wallet stores passwords in a central encrypted database, which uses your password to encrypt/decrypt |
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| 08:10.24 | ElvanorAtWork | benJIman: Yes, I understood the purpose of wallets but how do I use them on a daily basis? |
| 08:10.47 | ElvanorAtWork | I basically don't want that Kopete bothers me each time, asking for the wallet password... |
| 08:11.00 | ElvanorAtWork | even if it means that this is less security. I don't care. |
| 08:11.31 | benJIman | You can assign no password and it would just query you each time, or you could add kopete to the list of always allowed programmes. |
| 08:11.45 | benJIman | It only asks you for the password once each time you start kopete |
| 08:12.02 | benJIman | How often do you start kopete? I leave it running for weeks at a time. |
| 08:12.15 | ElvanorAtWork | I start it every day since I reboot every day |
| 08:12.53 | ElvanorAtWork | How can I add Kopete to the list of allowed programs? |
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| 08:18.43 | ElvanorAtWork | benJIman: still there? |
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| 08:25.18 | runlevelten | ElvanorAtWork: alt+f2 and type kwalletmanager |
| 08:25.36 | runlevelten | go to settings » configure wallet and choose the access control tab |
| 08:25.41 | ElvanorAtWork | runlevelten: I got it running already |
| 08:26.00 | ElvanorAtWork | In access control tab I cannot change anything... |
| 08:26.21 | ElvanorAtWork | There is no add button or such |
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| 08:27.49 | ElvanorAtWork | runlevelten: there is only a delete button if I right click... |
| 08:28.31 | runlevelten | If you want to have a non-secure, almost non-interactive setup, you can uncheck prompt, and in the other tab uncheck 'close when last app stops using it' |
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| 08:29.32 | ElvanorAtWork | But how can I edit the policy? |
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| 08:29.47 | ElvanorAtWork | to allow Kopete access to the wallet and not other tabs? |
| 08:30.10 | runlevelten | not other apps? |
| 08:30.25 | ElvanorAtWork | I mean, I want other apps to be asked for passwords. |
| 08:30.31 | ElvanorAtWork | But *not* Kopete |
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| 08:31.07 | ElvanorAtWork | In access control I have a line that says that kwalletmanager is allowed access to kdewallet |
| 08:31.10 | ElvanorAtWork | for example |
| 08:31.37 | runlevelten | your ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc will contain auto allow and auto deny lists |
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| 08:33.05 | ElvanorAtWork | Ok, so the only configuration option is by modifying this file. The GUI does not work. Am I right? |
| 08:35.47 | ElvanorAtWork | Even while modifying this config file, Kopete still asks for a password when launched :( |
| 08:36.03 | ElvanorAtWork | Any help? |
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| 08:36.25 | ElvanorAtWork | so not only the GUI does not work, but it seems the wallet subsystem is not very mature either... |
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| 08:54.34 | LoneShadow | how to enable software sound mixing under KDE / |
| 08:54.35 | LoneShadow | ? |
| 08:55.01 | runlevelten | look in kcontrol » sound & multimedia |
| 08:55.02 | runlevelten | :) |
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| 08:57.06 | LoneShadow | runlevelten: still dont see an option for enabling software mixing |
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| 08:59.47 | ElvanorAtWork | runlevelten: seen my last msgs? |
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| 09:02.33 | runlevelten | modifying that config file was never something I was advising for altering the kopete settings. |
| 09:03.22 | runlevelten | I made a best guess at what you meant by "and not other tabs", and invited you to say "no not that" :) |
| 09:03.35 | runlevelten | LoneShadow: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 09:03.49 | ElvanorAtWork | other apps, you meant? |
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| 09:04.15 | LoneShadow | runlevelten: I am trying to get sound for quake3, it fails to read/write on /dev/dsp |
| 09:04.24 | LoneShadow | so I tried installing pulseaudio |
| 09:04.26 | ElvanorAtWork | Sorry, I realised I made a type, I meant apps, not tabs |
| 09:04.55 | LoneShadow | one way to get sound is , kill either esd or pulseaudio |
| 09:05.00 | runlevelten | yeah, so if you're denying other apps through editing that file, why would you expect kopete to stop prompting? |
| 09:05.09 | LoneShadow | and echo quake3 direct into /proc/../oss file |
| 09:05.15 | ElvanorAtWork | I am not denying other apps |
| 09:05.21 | ElvanorAtWork | I am authorizing Kopete |
| 09:05.27 | ElvanorAtWork | wait I am sending the file |
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| 09:06.02 | ElvanorAtWork | http://rafb.net/p/UXL83W75.html |
| 09:06.10 | runlevelten | ElvanorAtWork: then I'm not understanding what you're trying to do. |
| 09:06.30 | runlevelten | Are you saying you want to use kwallet without ever interacting with it in any way? |
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| 09:06.35 | ElvanorAtWork | Simple. Trying to authorize Kopete to access the wallet without a password prompt |
| 09:06.41 | runlevelten | no prompts, no passwords, no nothing? |
| 09:06.49 | ElvanorAtWork | No, I am not saying that. I just want this for Kopete. |
| 09:07.08 | ElvanorAtWork | Like kwalletmanager does. It accesses wallets without any prompts. I want the same for Kopete. |
| 09:07.21 | ElvanorAtWork | Leaving other apps with the default policy (eg, prompts) |
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| 09:09.48 | runlevelten | Well it does that absolutely fine for me, when I do what I suggested above |
| 09:09.55 | runlevelten | It's just done it now. |
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| 09:16.49 | LoneShadow | runlevelten: so is there a place where I can enable software mixing under KDE ? |
| 09:17.05 | runlevelten | software handling should be handled by alsa/dmix, tbh |
| 09:17.14 | LoneShadow | I couldnt find it under Kcontrol->sound & multimeida |
| 09:17.15 | runlevelten | but for quake 3 games, hang on |
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| 09:18.01 | runlevelten | Ah wait, you say you've done that |
| 09:18.09 | runlevelten | what did you echo exactly? |
| 09:18.16 | LoneShadow | the echo method works |
| 09:18.24 | LoneShadow | I dont want to do that though :P |
| 09:18.33 | runlevelten | so you don't want it to work, then. |
| 09:18.40 | LoneShadow | I didnt say that :) |
| 09:18.48 | LoneShadow | I want to fix the problem permanently |
| 09:19.01 | LoneShadow | dont want to keep echoing all the failing App names into proc |
| 09:19.14 | runlevelten | all? |
| 09:19.22 | LoneShadow | for now q3 failed |
| 09:19.32 | LoneShadow | I am sure other games will fail too |
| 09:19.38 | runlevelten | You'll have to do it like 3 times in the lifetime of the installation. |
| 09:19.50 | runlevelten | and that's if you do it more than once at all. |
| 09:20.15 | LoneShadow | I need to put the echoes in some startup file, it needs to be done across reboots |
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| 09:20.27 | Hubble | hey |
| 09:20.43 | Hubble | jsut wanted to ask if there is a way to change the color-scheme via command-line |
| 09:20.47 | Hubble | *just |
| 09:20.50 | LoneShadow | so anyway, I read that pulseaudio solves these kinds of problems |
| 09:21.07 | LoneShadow | but all the tutorials to setup pulseaudio are for gnome |
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| 09:23.34 | alesan | hi |
| 09:23.43 | alesan | is there a "world clock" application for kde? |
| 09:24.24 | bram85 | alesan: kworldclock :) |
| 09:24.46 | alesan | :) |
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| 09:25.28 | kblin | hi folks. Is there a way to tell kmail to open a ssh tunnel before sending emails via smtp? |
| 09:25.33 | LoneShadow | runlevelten :) |
| 09:26.20 | logixoul | Hubble: yep. copy ~/.kde/share/config/ to config2, change your colorscheme the normal way, diff config/ and config2/, read `kwriteconfig --help`. A man's got to do what a man's got to do ;-) |
| 09:26.35 | alesan | bram85, do you have an idea in which menu it is normally kworldclock installed? |
| 09:26.49 | Hubble | logixoul, ok, thx for the help! i'm goint to read ;) |
| 09:27.06 | logixoul | no problemo |
| 09:28.10 | runlevelten | LoneShadow: software mixing is not something you need pulseaudio to get working, it's an alsa/dmix thang. |
| 09:28.17 | bram85 | alesan: make sure you have kdetoys installed... but maybe you're right, it does not pop up in my menu either |
| 09:28.33 | alesan | I can start kworldclock from the command line |
| 09:28.39 | alesan | but I don't find it in the menu |
| 09:28.49 | runlevelten | Also, you have your fix. With the greatest of respect, if you want to fix a trivial 2 second problem with an unnecessary pulseaudio installation, that's your lookout :) |
| 09:29.51 | alesan | runlevelten, dmix only works on the first sound card anyway |
| 09:31.09 | LoneShadow | runlevelten: if you want to run teamspeak with quake3, the echo hack wont help |
| 09:31.21 | runlevelten | Why not? |
| 09:31.35 | LoneShadow | coz only one application hold onto /dev/dsp at a time |
| 09:31.41 | LoneShadow | can hold* |
| 09:31.57 | ElvanorAtWork | runlevelten: what exactly did you do? can you paste your config file? |
| 09:32.04 | LoneShadow | hmm |
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| 09:32.26 | runlevelten | Not hmm. I'm a religious gamer, and play all the time. |
| 09:32.36 | LoneShadow | so all you did was just echo to the proc fs ? |
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| 09:33.49 | mardi | hi, in konqueror there is a little green sphere present in the bottom left corner, anyone know what it's for or signifies? |
| 09:34.22 | logixoul | whether you're in online mode (green) or offline (gray) |
| 09:34.25 | logixoul | iirc. |
| 09:34.33 | runlevelten | http://pastebin.com/m135ccfdd |
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| 09:39.56 | ElvanorAtWork | runlevelten: care to paste your wallet config file? |
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| 09:40.29 | Hubble | logixoul, ok, er schreibts nun an der richtigen datei an die richtige stelle... und wie wirds aktiv? also, wie kann ich kde die conf-datei neu einlesen lassen? |
| 09:40.46 | bram85 | Hubble: keep it english please |
| 09:41.03 | mardi | i found the offline browsing mode and turned it on, the little green sphere didn't change :\ |
| 09:41.14 | logixoul | Hubble: I'm not german, but let me try and understand that. don't say it in english yet :) |
| 09:42.18 | LoneShadow | runlevelten: I already have those echoes in my /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, anyway thanks |
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| 09:42.45 | runlevelten | LoneShadow: then you need to ensure that your alsa setup lets you mix. |
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| 09:43.23 | runlevelten | The thing that gets me, is that he said it fixed the problem, but he wasnted to do it another way... |
| 09:43.50 | logixoul | Hubble: "ok, it now writes the right file at the right place... and which one is active? also, how do I make KDE re-read the config files?" |
| 09:43.51 | runlevelten | As for kwallet. I get what you want now, ElvanorAtWork |
| 09:44.04 | logixoul | Hubble: what do you mean by "active"? :) |
| 09:44.16 | ElvanorAtWork | runlevelten: how? please paste config file |
| 09:44.33 | Hubble | logixoul, uh, sorry, forgot the language... i just said that writing the config would work but that kde dont updates the changes i made |
| 09:44.51 | Hubble | kde doesn't. |
| 09:45.00 | Hubble | i hate grammar. :P |
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| 09:45.25 | runlevelten | ElvanorAtWork: No, I mean I understand what you want. |
| 09:45.32 | runlevelten | ElvanorAtWork: I'm looking. |
| 09:45.35 | ElvanorAtWork | runlevelten: ha. OK :) |
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| 09:46.17 | Hubble | i can write the parameters into the config-file but kde just ignores them, probably because it doesn't re-read the config file after i changed it |
| 09:46.23 | logixoul | right right |
| 09:46.26 | logixoul | hmm |
| 09:47.30 | logixoul | run kdcop and look around for a function related to reloading options. |
| 09:49.01 | Hubble | k, thx |
| 09:50.08 | logixoul | btw: I'm Bulgarian but I'm visiting my German uncle right now, which explains the whois :P |
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| 09:50.46 | Hubble | hihi |
| 09:51.01 | Hubble | i just forgot being in an english-speaking chan |
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| 09:51.13 | logixoul | aaahaa. I see :) |
| 09:51.15 | Hubble | dodn't even take a look at you whoise ;) |
| 09:51.20 | logixoul | :) |
| 09:51.24 | Hubble | *didn't |
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| 09:51.49 | runlevelten | Heh, OK, now I can't get kopete to prompt me :) |
| 09:52.36 | runlevelten | :\ |
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| 09:54.27 | ElvanorAtWork | runlevelten: what do you mean? |
| 09:54.34 | ElvanorAtWork | you disabled prompts for all applications? |
| 09:55.25 | logixoul | ElvanorAtWork: gah... I keep reading your nick as Eleanor. this is irritating :P |
| 09:55.29 | runlevelten | yeah, if the wallet is already open. |
| 09:55.39 | runlevelten | whilst playing with the settings. |
| 09:55.57 | runlevelten | So you get a prompt on first open, whatever the app is. Other than that, it just uses it. |
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| 09:58.35 | ElvanorAtWork | So far, what you've achieved is not what I want... |
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| 09:58.52 | ElvanorAtWork | But I think this may be a KDE bug. I mean, the config file should act as it should... |
| 09:59.19 | runlevelten | The only way I can think of, of getting what you want, is a separate wallet. |
| 09:59.49 | runlevelten | I really don't understand how you'd expect a wallet protected by a password, to open with no password entered for a particular app. |
| 10:00.03 | runlevelten | If you see what I mean... |
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| 10:01.02 | runlevelten | It can't be a KDE bug. Where would you store the password? In a wallet. |
| 10:01.41 | runlevelten | I'd file a wish for kopete that it use a separate, no-password wallet, as that doesn't seem to work here. |
| 10:01.54 | runlevelten | that it be *able* to. |
| 10:02.15 | ElvanorAtWork | But the configuration file is explicit: |
| 10:02.25 | ElvanorAtWork | [Auto Allow] |
| 10:02.25 | ElvanorAtWork | kdewallet=kopete |
| 10:02.31 | ElvanorAtWork | that $should$ work |
| 10:02.31 | runlevelten | Yes. |
| 10:02.41 | ElvanorAtWork | But this does not... |
| 10:03.08 | runlevelten | No, Auto-Allow means it doesn't ask you whether the app is allowed to access the resource. |
| 10:03.10 | ElvanorAtWork | So is this not a bug? |
| 10:03.18 | ElvanorAtWork | ha |
| 10:03.21 | runlevelten | It's a feature you want. |
| 10:03.31 | ElvanorAtWork | it does not mean it won't ask for a prompt? |
| 10:03.48 | runlevelten | It can't be a bug. "Always ask for a password when people log in as root. Except on Tuesdays." |
| 10:04.02 | ElvanorAtWork | ? |
| 10:04.31 | runlevelten | Well, you can have it always prompt for a password when the wallet is open, or not prompt for a pass if the wallet is open. |
| 10:05.27 | runlevelten | but... you're wanting passwordless *initiation* of the wallet session for wallets that are protected... based on the app? |
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| 10:06.02 | runlevelten | So every password in that wallet can be read and extracted, despite being password protected, if someone installs kopete and sets the right config option. |
| 10:06.32 | runlevelten | Making any encryption or password protection... completely worthless. |
| 10:07.29 | runlevelten | Whereas if you use a separate wallet with no password for such an app, things are (relatively) happy and sane. :) |
| 10:07.37 | runlevelten | See what I mean? |
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| 10:07.47 | ElvanorAtWork | Let me think about that |
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| 10:08.26 | ElvanorAtWork | Hmm, I see. |
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| 10:08.38 | ElvanorAtWork | But even with a separate wallet I'll have a prompt, right? |
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| 10:08.54 | ElvanorAtWork | even without any password? |
| 10:08.56 | runlevelten | You might even be able to do it now. Doesn't work for me though |
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| 10:09.36 | runlevelten | I don't know, but if so it would be a very fast patch to not prompt for an empty password. |
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| 10:11.39 | ElvanorAtWork | I think in Kopete you can also do that |
| 10:11.46 | ElvanorAtWork | says something about "unsafe" configuration |
| 10:12.02 | ElvanorAtWork | Maybe that's the key to my problems, now that I understand better how wallet works |
| 10:12.06 | ElvanorAtWork | s/works/work |
| 10:12.19 | solus | when I plug my usb disk kde shows a window "new hardware found, what do you want to do", I say I want to open it, and then kde says, "requires HAL", i have HAL installed, is there a kde/hal howto? |
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| 10:13.41 | ElvanorAtWork | Where's Kopete config file? |
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| 10:13.48 | ahmed | hi every body |
| 10:13.54 | logixoul | hi ahmed |
| 10:13.55 | runlevelten | yeah. I think you might have to delete the kopete section from kwallet to stop it prompting you for kwallet password |
| 10:14.02 | runlevelten | but that should do the trick |
| 10:14.13 | runlevelten | (save your passwords first :P ) |
| 10:14.14 | ahmed | hi logixoul |
| 10:14.34 | runlevelten | mv .kde/share/config/kopeterc ./ && mv .kde/share/apps/kopete ./ |
| 10:14.35 | ahmed | am new to irc |
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| 10:16.09 | ahmed | hei can any body tell me how can i register to irc |
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| 10:16.58 | runlevelten | ahmed: type /msg nickserv help register |
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| 10:17.16 | logixoul | or: /ns help register |
| 10:17.19 | runlevelten | ahmed: type /msg help register |
| 10:17.26 | runlevelten | oops, heh |
| 10:17.26 | ahmed | ok |
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| 10:17.47 | runlevelten | ignore the last one :) |
| 10:21.16 | ElvanorAtWork | runlevelten: I now can make Kopete login without using the wallet |
| 10:21.30 | ElvanorAtWork | but, it still prompts me at launch... :( |
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| 10:23.04 | malv | Think I am going to get myself a pair of kde hotpants |
| 10:23.07 | malv | http://www.spreadshirt.com/shop.php?op=article&article_id=1668514&p=4 |
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| 10:25.38 | ahmed | :/ns help register |
| 10:25.43 | ElvanorAtWork | runlevelten: I think I found a way. I disabled the kwallet subsystem entirely. |
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| 10:30.26 | tikka | anyone had trouble with emerging vmware-server? the emerge works, but /etc/init.d/vmware start errors out claiming its not configured / modules arent compiled but lsmod shows both vmwre modules and i have already gone through the config process more than once. |
| 10:30.39 | runlevelten | ElvanorAtWork: tbh, the unsafe thing should work |
| 10:30.45 | runlevelten | is kwallet still trying to open? |
| 10:30.55 | ElvanorAtWork | Yes, it does. |
| 10:31.08 | ElvanorAtWork | Kopete keeps prompting except i i disable the subsystem entirely |
| 10:31.18 | runlevelten | Maybe you should remove references to kopete from it altogether, as if it's really your first go on kopete |
| 10:31.32 | ElvanorAtWork | I've done that. I removed all wallets I had. |
| 10:31.37 | runlevelten | ie the app, the access list. |
| 10:32.06 | runlevelten | and probably add an auto deny. |
| 10:32.08 | ElvanorAtWork | but when I launch Kopete it then asks for a password to create the wallet... |
| 10:32.19 | ElvanorAtWork | Ha, yes, it may work with an auto deny |
| 10:33.56 | runlevelten | although now you've deleted the wallet, I dunno if it checks access lists on firstrun |
| 10:34.23 | runlevelten | I would assume that firstrun would not bother. |
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| 10:35.23 | ElvanorAtWork | it works !! |
| 10:35.40 | ElvanorAtWork | I now have the wallet sbsystem enabled, but Kopete is blocked from accesing it, so don't prompt :) |
| 10:35.54 | ElvanorAtWork | and stores the passwords in the config file (unsafely) |
| 10:35.57 | ElvanorAtWork | just as I wanted |
| 10:36.25 | ElvanorAtWork | Ok, thanks for all the help. |
| 10:36.39 | ElvanorAtWork | I just hope Kopete developers will keep the unsafe options in future versions... |
| 10:36.56 | runlevelten | Sorry it wasn't quick, and that it wasn't just what you wanted. |
| 10:38.37 | runlevelten | but glad it works obviously :) |
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| 11:09.57 | |Scorpy| | Hello.... i have a question about kde kiosk admin aplication.....i set up some restrictions and locked myself out :) How can i run kiosk admin application again to remove restrictions? |
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| 11:10.45 | annma | kiosktool as root maybe |
| 11:11.01 | annma | in a terminal |
| 11:11.07 | |Scorpy| | aha ok tnx |
| 11:11.11 | |Scorpy| | Ill try that |
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| 11:11.31 | |Scorpy| | is there a way to completly remove the application? also conf files |
| 11:12.59 | whirm | hi all |
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| 11:52.50 | damada | hello, is it possible to minimize knode to the KDE systray? |
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| 11:55.08 | annma | damada: ksystraycmd knode |
| 11:55.26 | damada | second annma, I will try that :) |
| 11:56.25 | damada | hmm, it starts but no icon in the systray appears |
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| 11:59.56 | annma | sorry, I logged out by mistake |
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| 12:18.48 | tikka | gnome for the win |
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| 12:29.00 | EvilGuru | I have just read an article about the 'un-forking' of webkit and khtml and that qt 4.4 will support webkit, does this mean that in the future Konqueror will use webkit? |
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| 12:32.22 | Xemanth | whats webkit ? |
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| 12:33.08 | Xemanth | http://webkit.org/ oh i c |
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| 12:34.12 | EvilGuru | Xemanth: I believe it started as a fork of KHTML, but has since progressed at an amazing rate (now used in many embedded applications and browsers) |
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| 12:35.01 | Xemanth | hmm-m |
| 12:35.07 | Javanon | hey, i'm trying to move files from my home partition to my /usr partition to free up some space but i'm getting blocked at every angle |
| 12:35.15 | Xemanth | i haven't heard any browser which use webkit :D |
| 12:35.20 | Javanon | is there a certian protocol or transfer method i need to be using? |
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| 12:35.50 | Sho_ | EvilGuru: Nothing's been decided ... that article is more laying out a possibility than what's necessarily going to happen |
| 12:36.13 | Xemanth | but oh well my work day is over, cya -> |
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| 12:37.29 | Richlv | when exporting contacts from kontact to csv, fields marked as 'other' are not exported |
| 12:37.40 | Richlv | how could i either export those, or change a field for all contacts ? |
| 12:37.54 | Richlv | kontact 1.2.3 |
| 12:38.21 | Richlv | import from mobile phone for some reason set all phone numbers as 'other' - that's not a huge problem, but export to csv ignored those, so export is quite useless right now :) |
| 12:38.26 | EvilGuru | Sho_: Ah, okay. |
| 12:39.02 | Richlv | ah well, kontact with kde 3.5.5. each component has it's own version :) |
| 12:39.10 | Sho_ | EvilGuru: There's a couple of problems with an unforking in terms of how the two would merge (KHTML can do a bunch of things WebKit can't) and governance issues and such |
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| 12:40.25 | EvilGuru | I do think it would be nice if they could merge (assuming everything works out) as WebKit does seem on the most part to have better support for sites |
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| 12:42.03 | Sho_ | EvilGuru: Compatibility on the web is mostly a function of market share, rather than engineering quality, and thus the major incentive for the merge, yes (combining the two results in higher total market share) |
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| 12:43.03 | EvilGuru | Yes, most of the sites it does support 'better' are mostly commercial (most likely with dodgy code/rely on extensions) |
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| 12:43.51 | Diego_Rocha | anybody have konqueror with java in freebsd?? |
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| 12:45.40 | Sho_ | EvilGuru: The biggest stumbling blocks are absence of a merge plan (the KHTML developers have improved KHTML independently and don't want to throw away their work, especially since they've done a bunch of things WebKit hasn't) and governance (write access to the WebKit repository is solely controlled by a commercial entity with its own agenda, Apple, and in order to get it you need to sign an agreement, etc - that's a significantly higher barrier of entry than with |
| 12:45.40 | Sho_ | the KDE project) |
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| 12:48.28 | MinceR | apple needs to learn to deal nicely with open source -- especially the projects whose work they exploit for profit |
| 12:49.37 | Wyatt | Are you sure they're profiting? *wry* |
| 12:50.25 | Sho_ | Wyatt: Well if it weren't for open source they likely wouldn't have a browser now |
| 12:50.37 | Sho_ | (or an operating system ...) |
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| 12:51.05 | Wyatt | lol, I'm more making a jab at the actual profitability of selling overpriced hardware to suckers. |
| 12:51.47 | Richlv | sed -i 's/^TEL:/TEL;TYPE=CELL:/' std.vcf seems to do the trick |
| 12:53.40 | Wyatt | Fair enough. And the people targeted by those "I'm a PC; I'm a mac" commercials? |
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| 13:06.46 | GraveDigger | :) |
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| 13:13.40 | rellonaut | does anyone know the exact or close kde4 release date? |
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| 13:15.08 | EvilGuru | rellonaut: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kde_4 but I trust it as far as I could throw a horse-box |
| 13:15.26 | rellonaut | okay |
| 13:15.45 | rellonaut | thanks |
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| 13:34.59 | cubuanic | hello, all |
| 13:35.10 | cubuanic | i have question about superkaramba |
| 13:35.18 | cubuanic | is there right place for this ? |
| 13:39.11 | bittin | cubuanic: sounds gr8 :D |
| 13:39.18 | bittin | becouse its a kde program |
| 13:39.48 | bittin | but maybe #superkaramba is better |
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| 13:41.32 | cubuanic | thanks |
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| 13:44.49 | cubuanic | unfortunately, nobody responds on #superkaramba :( |
| 13:44.55 | cubuanic | so i try to ask here |
| 13:45.05 | cubuanic | i have a question about configuring superkaramba |
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| 13:45.12 | cubuanic | i want to plot graph with custom data source - how i can do this ? |
| 13:45.18 | cubuanic | for ex, how i can graph total count of processes ? |
| 13:45.24 | cubuanic | i tried following code, but without success |
| 13:45.30 | cubuanic | graph x=1 y=0 w=150 h=50 sensor=program program="/bin/ps ax|/bin/wc -l" points=150 color=255,0,0 |
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| 14:19.12 | lindenl1 | how do i move my klnotes to a new machine? |
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| 14:27.58 | WeeJeWel | Is it possible to use a gtk theme in kde? |
| 14:28.04 | i_is_cat | k3b wont copy any of my homemade dvd's that were burned off the same drive and work perfectly to watch |
| 14:28.17 | i_is_cat | it keeps giving me read errors in the same areas on all discs |
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| 14:30.27 | i_is_cat | its nothing but read errors :( |
| 14:30.53 | solus | if I have the mac address of a device on a network, can I somehow find out the ip= |
| 14:30.54 | solus | ? |
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| 14:33.18 | Richlv | solus, that's hardly a kde question. arp tools might be helpful, though |
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| 14:33.47 | Evil_ | #fedora |
| 14:33.49 | i_is_cat | :/ |
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| 14:34.07 | solus | Richlv: true, thanks |
| 14:34.10 | i_is_cat | my progress is at 0% after 8min |
| 14:34.16 | i_is_cat | because its nothing but read errors |
| 14:34.19 | i_is_cat | wtf is going on |
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| 14:41.00 | i_is_cat | when i start k3b i get an error saying dma is not turned on so do hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc and thats what the problem was |
| 14:41.38 | i_is_cat | i turned it on and because it was on it wouldnt work so i had to turn it off |
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| 14:48.47 | imagine | anyone here can speak / write chinese? |
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| 14:52.48 | autarquico | hello everyone |
| 14:53.05 | autarquico | i removed the speaker icon from the taskbar |
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| 14:53.31 | autarquico | i tried to reload the applet but what i got instaed is some sort of 5 bar mixer |
| 14:53.44 | autarquico | which the first 2 control audio |
| 14:53.51 | autarquico | i want the spaeker |
| 14:54.02 | autarquico | any help? |
| 14:54.42 | i_is_cat | open kmix |
| 14:56.10 | autarquico | i dont have kmix on my" add applet- kde panel" |
| 14:57.04 | feindbild | autarquico: alt+F2 -> kmix |
| 14:57.15 | autarquico | ok im on it |
| 14:57.41 | feindbild | autarquico: or just link kmix into you Autostart folder |
| 14:58.01 | autarquico | i forgot to mention that im a total noob |
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| 14:58.07 | autarquico | i installed this yesterday |
| 14:58.16 | autarquico | i opened terminal |
| 14:58.20 | autarquico | typed kmix |
| 14:58.24 | autarquico | nothing happende |
| 14:58.47 | autarquico | oh wait |
| 14:58.50 | autarquico | its there now |
| 14:58.52 | autarquico | yeaaaah |
| 14:58.54 | autarquico | tks man |
| 14:58.59 | autarquico | second thing |
| 14:59.17 | autarquico | i want to install the kore theme |
| 14:59.27 | autarquico | but only the windows recognize the theme |
| 14:59.35 | autarquico | the taskbar at the botton is still grey |
| 14:59.38 | autarquico | transparent |
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| 15:00.48 | autarquico | im using beryl |
| 15:00.54 | autarquico | which by the way |
| 15:01.02 | autarquico | the animations look choppy as hell |
| 15:01.17 | imagine | autarquico: you should use compiz-fusion btw |
| 15:01.19 | autarquico | why cant linux be more user friendly? |
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| 15:01.29 | autarquico | really? how can i update |
| 15:01.39 | autarquico | noob here |
| 15:01.42 | autarquico | remember |
| 15:01.57 | imagine | autarquico: it's user friendly, you're playing with software that are on BETA |
| 15:02.25 | imagine | autarquico: and it's not stupid friendly.. it's user friendly.. |
| 15:02.28 | autarquico | Next , NExt, Next , NExt, Finish...thats user fiendly |
| 15:02.37 | autarquico | sudo...etc/xo/ |
| 15:02.39 | autarquico | not |
| 15:02.59 | autarquico | but again |
| 15:03.10 | autarquico | how can i update to compiz fusion |
| 15:03.23 | i_is_cat | install slackware 12.0 |
| 15:03.26 | imagine | autarquico: I suppose you're running kubuntu? |
| 15:03.36 | autarquico | sabayon |
| 15:03.41 | imagine | kk |
| 15:03.43 | imagine | donno |
| 15:03.46 | autarquico | slackware? |
| 15:03.52 | autarquico | are u talking to me? |
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| 15:04.38 | Brandon_ | yo |
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| 15:05.09 | QMario | Do you guys use Konqueror mainly as a file browser or a web browser? |
| 15:05.27 | autarquico | this is garbage |
| 15:05.34 | autarquico | im goin back to vista |
| 15:05.53 | Qoiemh | QMario: yes |
| 15:05.58 | GraveDigger | QMario: honestly i use konqueror primarily for webbrowsing |
| 15:06.06 | feindbild | autarquico: have fun ^^ |
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| 15:06.15 | autarquico | always |
| 15:06.17 | i_is_cat | autarquico, yes i was talking to you |
| 15:06.19 | imagine | autarquico: |
| 15:06.20 | GraveDigger | QMario: but i still hate dolphin, so i am going to keep konqi whereever possibly |
| 15:06.23 | GraveDigger | *possible |
| 15:06.24 | imagine | maybe linux is not for you |
| 15:06.26 | autarquico | ok so slackware |
| 15:06.28 | i_is_cat | slackware is very user friendly |
| 15:06.35 | autarquico | how can i get it |
| 15:06.37 | QMario | GraveDigger, what is dolphin? |
| 15:06.41 | i_is_cat | just make sure you print out the man for install ;) |
| 15:06.44 | GraveDigger | QMario: useless crap |
| 15:06.45 | annma | a new file manager |
| 15:06.53 | autarquico | dont have a preinter |
| 15:06.53 | QMario | imagine, isn't Linux for everyone? |
| 15:06.56 | GraveDigger | QMario: don't bother with it, unless you have no other way around |
| 15:06.57 | annma | GraveDigger: ? |
| 15:07.07 | annma | in kde4 it's very good |
| 15:07.22 | autarquico | yeah thats how i got lured in in the first place |
| 15:07.22 | imagine | QMario: I'm answering to [11:14] <autarquico> this is garbage[11:14] <autarquico> im goin back to vista |
| 15:07.41 | autarquico | its not for everyone |
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| 15:07.55 | autarquico | its for people who have a fuckin lot of free time |
| 15:07.55 | GraveDigger | annma: its an overhyped piece of shit that many kde users hate, and i personally think, introducing dolphin was more an act of vandalism than well concerned |
| 15:08.06 | autarquico | to relearn a whole new OS from scartch |
| 15:08.09 | annma | GraveDigger: ? |
| 15:08.19 | autarquico | which there are 50 million different versions |
| 15:08.21 | annma | autarquico: ? |
| 15:08.31 | i_is_cat | autarquico, you dont need to get mad at us because you cant read manuals and search the web for answers |
| 15:08.39 | QMario | GraveDigger, why does dolphin look so much like "nautilus"? |
| 15:08.40 | feindbild | autarquico: actually I don't use windows because I don't have the nerves for it and I need to do work and not waste my time with windows ... =P |
| 15:08.40 | autarquico | guys never at you |
| 15:08.44 | autarquico | at sabayon... |
| 15:08.46 | annma | hmm, I htink I'd better not read that channel further |
| 15:08.51 | QMario | autarquico, what is your problem? |
| 15:08.52 | profoX` | How can I print 4 images per page with KDE ? |
| 15:08.57 | imagine | autarquico: well if you take things one step at a time.. you won't have to learn much.. it's because you install linux then boom you want beryl.. you want to change every single piece .. normal you screw things up |
| 15:09.08 | profoX` | There doesn't seem to be any image program capable of doing just that for KDE? |
| 15:09.16 | autarquico | i see |
| 15:09.30 | profoX` | Gwenview is very advanced, but I can't find an option to print multiple images per page either there |
| 15:09.38 | autarquico | my problem right now is that i want tu update |
| 15:09.40 | autarquico | beryl |
| 15:09.41 | annma | I have Mandriva Live CDs with 3D stuff here autarquico |
| 15:09.45 | autarquico | to compiz fusion |
| 15:09.49 | autarquico | on windows |
| 15:09.55 | autarquico | i would go to the site |
| 15:10.00 | autarquico | download the zip |
| 15:10.07 | autarquico | run the exe |
| 15:10.14 | autarquico | next next next finish |
| 15:10.14 | annma | autarquico: what video card do you have? |
| 15:10.21 | imagine | autarquico: to me.. sabayon is not a main distribution if you know what I mean, maybe you should have tried some more mainstream distribution, like SUSE, Kubuntu, etc |
| 15:10.33 | autarquico | i tried kubuntu |
| 15:10.40 | autarquico | but the resolution was fucked up |
| 15:10.54 | Chani | autarquico: you mean next, reboot, answer some dumb question, next, reboot, next, finish ;) |
| 15:11.00 | annma | lol |
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| 15:11.07 | annma | autarquico: what video card do you have? |
| 15:11.28 | i_is_cat | autarquico, you will never get everything in linux that simple.. there are the few binaries here and there but for the most part, no one distro can have and support every single package out there flawlessly and make nice pretty installers |
| 15:11.28 | GraveDigger | QMario: yeah, nautilus-wannabe ... i hate it, too |
| 15:11.33 | Chani | huh, I thought kubuntu would have fixed its install-time resolution fsckups by now |
| 15:11.51 | GraveDigger | QMario: and why does it look like nautilus .... i dont know... |
| 15:12.30 | i_is_cat | not to mention with linux, your system can be configured completely differently than the next linux machine, even if its the same distro and that makes it even harder to make the nice installers |
| 15:12.39 | QMario | GraveDigger, it seems as the KDE4 team decided to follow the Windows Vista path by separating its file manager from its web browser. (Explorer and IE are not linked anymore.) |
| 15:12.41 | Chani | huh. insteallers are overrated. package managers are a far better solution |
| 15:12.51 | Chani | apt-get someprogram, confirm, go get a snack, done. |
| 15:13.04 | annma | QMario: you still can have all in 1 |
| 15:13.25 | QMario | annma, really? Cool! :) That's what I enjoy about Konqueror the most! |
| 15:13.35 | annma | yes? really? the config dialog? |
| 15:13.38 | GraveDigger | QMario: there have many "style" decision been made which i personally do not agree with... many things in kde4 look like "taken from XY" |
| 15:13.51 | annma | GraveDigger: thanks for all the compliments |
| 15:13.52 | Qoiemh | QMario: then just continue to use konqueror, it's not like you are forced to use dolphin |
| 15:14.00 | QMario | GraveDigger, what is "XY"? |
| 15:14.03 | GraveDigger | QMario: instead of creating an own style like kde3 did |
| 15:14.08 | GraveDigger | QMario: your choice... |
| 15:14.22 | Chani | wait, someone was complaining about the taskbar not being the right colour in kde? I heard that vista won't even let you change its colour at all. |
| 15:14.26 | QMario | Qoiemh, I am not complaining. I am just stating inferences. Sorry. :( |
| 15:14.34 | GraveDigger | annma: where have you seen any compliment by me, today? |
| 15:14.35 | annma | thanks QMario |
| 15:14.42 | Qoiemh | QMario: sorry it was meant for GraveDigger |
| 15:15.13 | i_is_cat | lol Chani, but the vista lovers will argue their favorite argue; if i crack/patch it, it'll work |
| 15:15.48 | Chani | that's the answer to pretty much anything ever on any os |
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| 15:16.10 | GraveDigger | exactly - so its a matter of defaults, that have been set |
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| 15:16.24 | i_is_cat | maybe patching.. but cracking is a whole different ballgame |
| 15:16.27 | GraveDigger | and dolphin or a black task bar as default imho just suck |
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| 15:17.15 | autarquico_ | i got disc |
| 15:17.17 | GraveDigger | i_is_cat: wanting to use non-signed-by-microsoft-themes for windows xp requires "cracking", i've heard |
| 15:17.23 | autarquico_ | well again |
| 15:17.25 | i_is_cat | i respect the fact that someone made a program and took the time to do it and wants money, however, i dont have the money to give them so instead of being a dick and spending countless hours stealing and cracking everything i use opensource and if i really like something and can afford it i make donations |
| 15:17.29 | autarquico_ | i need to update |
| 15:17.35 | autarquico_ | beryl |
| 15:17.41 | autarquico_ | to compiz fuzion |
| 15:17.44 | autarquico_ | possible? |
| 15:17.46 | autarquico_ | or not? |
| 15:17.48 | GraveDigger | no |
| 15:17.50 | annma | autarquico_: beryl is not a kde app |
| 15:17.56 | annma | ask your distro channel for a start |
| 15:17.59 | Sho_ | Ask in #compiz |
| 15:17.59 | Qoiemh | autarquico_: it has nothing to do with kde |
| 15:18.06 | annma | exactly |
| 15:18.13 | autarquico_ | ok i see some light |
| 15:18.18 | autarquico_ | so KDE is what? |
| 15:18.26 | annma | a Desktop Environment |
| 15:18.37 | autarquico_ | if i remove KDE |
| 15:18.37 | annma | meaning a desktop and some applications integrated |
| 15:18.40 | autarquico_ | what do i have |
| 15:18.44 | autarquico_ | pure terminal? |
| 15:18.45 | annma | a shell |
| 15:18.48 | autarquico_ | blikin cursor |
| 15:18.52 | Sho_ | yeah |
| 15:18.52 | annma | yes or GNOME |
| 15:18.59 | autarquico_ | ok i see |
| 15:19.05 | autarquico_ | and beryl is like a plugin |
| 15:19.06 | annma | or any other window manager you installed |
| 15:19.09 | autarquico_ | for kde? |
| 15:19.12 | annma | no |
| 15:19.18 | annma | for X |
| 15:19.20 | Sho_ | Beryl is a window manager |
| 15:19.27 | Chani | actually, there's a whole big discussion now about "what is KDE?" |
| 15:19.31 | Sho_ | A window manager is a special program that controls the behavior and placement of windows in the screen |
| 15:19.37 | Chani | since it's *not* just a desktop environment any more |
| 15:19.38 | autarquico_ | ok |
| 15:19.39 | Sho_ | KDE has its own window manager kwin; Beryl is an alternative to it |
| 15:19.41 | Sho_ | So is Compiz |
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| 15:19.46 | autarquico_ | i see |
| 15:19.58 | annma | in kde4 kwin will have it all itself |
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| 15:20.06 | annma | no need for beryl or such |
| 15:20.09 | imagine | GraveDigger: your choice.. but you should know that humanity has always moved forward by copying/ imitating then enhancing what they found useful, so even if they were copying.. it wouldn' be different from anything else in this world.. |
| 15:20.13 | autarquico_ | so can i update KDE? |
| 15:20.33 | annma | autarquico_: kde4 is a beta at the moment |
| 15:20.37 | autarquico_ | ok |
| 15:20.41 | autarquico_ | one more thing |
| 15:20.41 | Chani | very, very beta |
| 15:20.44 | annma | ;) |
| 15:20.49 | autarquico_ | if i want the cool 3d desktop |
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| 15:20.56 | autarquico_ | with the animations and all that stuff |
| 15:21.04 | autarquico_ | do i need beryl (compiz) |
| 15:21.10 | annma | depends |
| 15:21.13 | Sho_ | right now you need beryl or compiz for that, yeah |
| 15:21.15 | Chani | autarquico_: for now, yes |
| 15:21.18 | annma | Mandriva has its own stuff |
| 15:21.19 | Sho_ | when KDE 4 is out you only need KDE |
| 15:21.36 | Chani | autarquico_: and they're not all that stable, which is why I'm just gonna wait for kde4 |
| 15:21.37 | autarquico_ | awesome now it makes a little more sense |
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| 15:22.00 | annma | all this 3D stuff only runs well on NVidia |
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| 15:22.05 | Chani | beryl/compiz/whatever don't always get along with kde. |
| 15:22.11 | autarquico_ | ok so im with KDE 3.5 right now |
| 15:22.16 | annma | not on all video cards |
| 15:22.17 | Sho_ | annma: It works fairly well with Intel, too |
| 15:22.23 | annma | yes? |
| 15:22.33 | autarquico_ | should i remove beryl? |
| 15:22.35 | Sho_ | annma: yup. the problem is ATI and their shitty proprietary drivers |
| 15:22.44 | Sho_ | autarquico_: Well if you like it, keep it for now :) |
| 15:22.46 | Chani | annma: I have an old korora cd somewhere that runs great on my little intel laptop. I still haven't found out why kwin-composite runs so badly on the same machine |
| 15:22.58 | autarquico_ | i have an nvidia 512mb geforce 7950 |
| 15:23.03 | i_is_cat | kororraa was the shiznitz |
| 15:23.17 | Wyatt | ATi doesn't even make good Windows drivers. That the linux ones work at all may be a miracle. |
| 15:23.23 | autarquico_ | i do but the animations suck |
| 15:23.27 | i_is_cat | only the first edition |
| 15:23.30 | Sho_ | Chani: kwin-composite has a couple of different rendering paths that you could try out by forcing them in the config file, it would actually help us if you do so we can vet the default selection |
| 15:23.31 | autarquico_ | its like 3 frames per second |
| 15:23.39 | i_is_cat | the second one stinks because they cut out the driver support |
| 15:24.01 | Chani | Sho_: yeah, I keep meaning to, I just have other priorities lately |
| 15:24.06 | i_is_cat | kwin-composite? |
| 15:24.24 | annma | in kde4 |
| 15:24.25 | Chani | i_is_cat: kde4 has composte stuff in kwin |
| 15:24.31 | GraveDigger | imagine: good point, but imitating did not always "made it better". planes were first created to imitate birds, no they much more imitate fishes ... |
| 15:24.32 | Chani | *composite |
| 15:24.34 | GraveDigger | *now |
| 15:24.40 | i_is_cat | and its out for testing? |
| 15:24.51 | Sho_ | i_is_cat: "kwin_composite" was the name of the SVN branch in which we developed compositing support for kwin |
| 15:25.01 | Sho_ | i_is_cat: Well, it's part of KDE Beta1 for example |
| 15:25.07 | i_is_cat | interesting |
| 15:25.33 | Chani | I think a lot of the slowdown of kde4 might just be because I'm also running a full kde3 with all my usual crap open, and I've had to change the power profile of the poor aptop because it gets way, way hotter than it used to. |
| 15:25.41 | autarquico_ | quick question |
| 15:25.58 | autarquico_ | which is the best method to install software? |
| 15:26.01 | Sho_ | i_is_cat: I.e. we have XRender- and OpenGL-based compositing with pluggable effects and behaviors in KDE's development version right now. In fact kwin is the only window manager on Linux which scales from the non-composited case over XRender to OpenGL and can offer consistent behavior and a full feature set on each. |
| 15:26.07 | autarquico_ | i have kuroo |
| 15:26.07 | Chani | autarquico_: package management. |
| 15:26.09 | autarquico_ | garbage |
| 15:26.17 | autarquico_ | package mang? |
| 15:26.18 | Chani | autarquico_: what distro are you using? |
| 15:26.19 | Sho_ | autarquico_: Ask in the channel for your distro .. |
| 15:26.26 | annma | autarquico_: your distro should have a tool for that |
| 15:26.41 | autarquico_ | so the tool from the distro is the best method??? |
| 15:26.44 | annma | you see the application name and click on it and it gets installed |
| 15:26.49 | autarquico_ | isnt there like a terminal |
| 15:26.51 | i_is_cat | Sho_, sounds sweet i think i am going to have to check it out |
| 15:26.52 | autarquico_ | emerge |
| 15:26.52 | GraveDigger | Sho_: and kwin4 is pure and native kde, which i personally like! :) |
| 15:26.58 | annma | windows without the reboot part |
| 15:27.01 | Sho_ | GraveDigger: ditto |
| 15:27.01 | Chani | autarquico_: the distro will probably provide several tools |
| 15:27.03 | annma | emerge is a compila thing |
| 15:27.08 | i_is_cat | i wonder if it'll run better than compiz-fusion |
| 15:27.11 | annma | emerge is not easy |
| 15:27.13 | Chani | autarquico_: gentoo uses emerge |
| 15:27.13 | Sho_ | GraveDigger: although "kwin4" is also a game in kdegames ;) |
| 15:27.22 | GraveDigger | hehe |
| 15:27.23 | autarquico_ | im using sabayon |
| 15:27.24 | Sho_ | annma: Well, it's not any harder than apt-get/aptitude |
| 15:27.26 | annma | emerge is not for newbies if I may say so |
| 15:27.29 | autarquico_ | gentoo based so i heard |
| 15:27.31 | annma | come on |
| 15:27.35 | Chani | autarquico_: debian-based distros use apt-get, aptitude, adept, etc |
| 15:27.36 | Sho_ | In fact, it's simpler |
| 15:27.39 | annma | nope |
| 15:27.52 | tuxman | hi there |
| 15:27.56 | Chani | autarquico_: you really have to go ask your distro's channel |
| 15:27.57 | autarquico_ | ok so sabayon has kuroo |
| 15:28.00 | imagine | GraveDigger: yes but the basic idea was to fly like a bird.. then we saw physics was not working that way.. so we continue to study them to find out sustentation.. then we made plane that work... Our idea never comes from thin air.. it's always based on something we saw and trying to imitate |
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| 15:28.07 | GraveDigger | Sho_: in fact i hate that mixed up crap like compiz-fusion on kde, with kde-windows but only a poor window decorator and that ugly gtk-stuff to configure it |
| 15:28.07 | Sho_ | autarquico_: Sabayon questions go to #sabayon btw :) |
| 15:28.15 | autarquico_ | i get the message |
| 15:28.19 | Sho_ | GraveDigger: I prefer kwin as well :) |
| 15:28.21 | autarquico_ | no need to repaet |
| 15:28.22 | Qoiemh | annma: gentoo may not be for newbies, but emerge is just as easy to use as apt-get |
| 15:28.23 | annma | autarquico_: some distros are easy, others are less easy |
| 15:28.27 | autarquico_ | i see |
| 15:28.29 | autarquico_ | ana |
| 15:28.43 | autarquico_ | ok so back to my first question |
| 15:28.52 | autarquico_ | i want to install a theme for KDE |
| 15:28.59 | autarquico_ | and only the window |
| 15:29.04 | autarquico_ | recognize the theme |
| 15:29.08 | autarquico_ | not the taskbar |
| 15:29.13 | autarquico_ | at the bottom |
| 15:29.14 | GraveDigger | imagine: until they found out, that planes much more swim than actually fly, because of their real crappy relation between body weight and wing sizes |
| 15:29.17 | Chani | autarquico_: I would blame it on beryl. |
| 15:29.17 | i_is_cat | kde5 should implement a bumtop style plugin |
| 15:29.24 | Chani | autarquico_: try manually changing the taskbar colour |
| 15:29.29 | i_is_cat | oo0o0o ya that'd make those windows users jealous |
| 15:29.38 | autarquico_ | how? |
| 15:29.39 | i_is_cat | bumptop* |
| 15:29.45 | autarquico_ | and how with that help? |
| 15:29.55 | Chani | autarquico_: somewhere in kde config |
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| 15:30.05 | imagine | GraveDigger: yes ;) hehehe |
| 15:30.08 | GraveDigger | imagine: but i think i still get your point... so said: maybe dolphin evolves to something good one day |
| 15:30.10 | i_is_cat | i dont think many windows users would be impressed with an image of a bums hat as your desktop :S |
| 15:30.11 | autarquico_ | i figured it was somewhere in there... |
| 15:30.16 | tuxman | when using konqueror I've problem visualizing some chars like those in this wikipage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_th . What can I do for it? Firefox render them very well. I've guessed it's a charset problem and settled utf8 in kcontrol. But it does not still work |
| 15:30.31 | GraveDigger | imagine: today it just looks like a horrible nautilus-wannabe |
| 15:30.35 | Mrrrr | i_is_cat - I'v seen a lot of guys make their own script for using bumptop type effects |
| 15:30.36 | GraveDigger | (to me) |
| 15:30.44 | Chani | autarquico_: try Appearance & Themes -> Colours |
| 15:30.45 | Mrrrr | think there are some examples on hackaday.com |
| 15:30.57 | autarquico_ | yeap its what it is gravedigger |
| 15:31.03 | Chani | autarquico_: or, try right-clicking on the panel and find the 'configure panel...' option |
| 15:31.04 | imagine | GraveDigger: hahahah yeah.. exactly. |
| 15:31.05 | annma | tuxman: what font do you have in Settings? |
| 15:31.07 | i_is_cat | Mrrrr, sounds cool but i am by no means a programmer or coder :/ |
| 15:31.10 | autarquico_ | you should be happy we windos user are swithcin over |
| 15:31.32 | annma | <clap> |
| 15:31.48 | tuxman | annma: arial |
| 15:31.56 | autarquico_ | ok so back to my first question |
| 15:31.59 | tuxman | standard char: arial |
| 15:32.02 | autarquico_ | again... |
| 15:32.06 | imagine | GraveDigger: and what makes it become something better than only a nautilus-wannabe is usually the constructive feedback and author's imagination... so we'll see in a close future how it evolves ;) |
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| 15:32.23 | Chani | tuxman: if you're lucky kde4 might magiaclly fix it... it fixed my font problems. but, it's not stable yet, so |
| 15:32.37 | tuxman | alright |
| 15:32.39 | autarquico_ | how can i update |
| 15:32.44 | autarquico_ | to KDE 4 |
| 15:32.45 | annma | tuxman: try changing |
| 15:32.57 | tuxman | so there's not a simple fix for now |
| 15:33.04 | annma | autarquico_: if your distro has kde4 packages you can install them |
| 15:33.06 | autarquico_ | i dont care if its beta, if it formats my drive, |
| 15:33.08 | annma | tuxman: it should work |
| 15:33.09 | tuxman | annma: ok |
| 15:33.17 | annma | tuxman: those chars are fairly basic |
| 15:33.17 | autarquico_ | i just want to fix this garbage |
| 15:33.30 | annma | autarquico_: ask your sabayon channel |
| 15:33.31 | autarquico_ | so i should ask my distro |
| 15:33.34 | annma | YES |
| 15:33.35 | autarquico_ | ok ana |
| 15:33.36 | Chani | autarquico_: I would suggest downloading hte livecd of kde4, that way you can try it with no risk |
| 15:33.41 | autarquico_ | no nned to scream |
| 15:33.43 | annma | annma, not ana |
| 15:33.49 | autarquico_ | good idea |
| 15:33.49 | annma | if I may |
| 15:33.53 | autarquico_ | thank you |
| 15:33.54 | tuxman | annma: what fonts do you suggest? |
| 15:34.01 | annma | tuxman: anything |
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| 15:34.09 | annma | try a few to see if it changes |
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| 15:34.16 | tuxman | you mean anything else :D ok |
| 15:34.17 | tuxman | ok |
| 15:34.21 | tuxman | I'll do it |
| 15:34.33 | annma | what's your default encoding? |
| 15:34.43 | annma | you cannot do it now? |
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| 15:34.59 | tuxman | it's utf8 |
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| 15:35.45 | annma | tuxman: you see that in Konqueror Settings dialog? |
| 15:35.54 | tuxman | yes |
| 15:36.19 | annma | try Use language Encoding |
| 15:36.44 | tuxman | ok |
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| 15:40.04 | annma | does it change anything? |
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| 15:40.26 | artmachine | anyone using kmplayer? |
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| 15:43.54 | ATN | one simple question, why should I choose kde over gnome? |
| 15:44.26 | artmachine | cause gnome simply sucks |
| 15:45.13 | Qoiemh | ATN: you shouldn't |
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| 15:45.26 | Qoiemh | ATN: you should try them both and choose the one you prefer |
| 15:45.38 | ATN | explain why, everyone says that, but I can't get anything to work properly |
| 15:45.59 | ATN | well grafically, I prefer kde |
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| 15:52.42 | ATN | ok, so IDK if this is the right place to ask, but I need some help with K3B |
| 15:53.43 | Sho_ | ATN: It's the right place to ask |
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| 15:54.16 | ATN | ok, well when I start it, I get an error message saying that I don't have a cd burner instaled |
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| 15:56.08 | ATN | so I can't burn any cds |
| 15:56.17 | ATN | and I can't read any either |
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| 16:02.39 | sF| | :( my Amarok 1.4.7 has died |
| 16:02.58 | ATN | good luck getting an answer in here |
| 16:03.14 | icwiener | sF|: Bury it and download a new one. :) |
| 16:03.21 | ATN | I've been waiting for 15 minutes now... |
| 16:03.36 | ATN | well define died |
| 16:03.52 | ATN | won't start at all? or you get an error message? |
| 16:04.03 | sF| | amarokapp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN6QImageC3Ev |
| 16:04.23 | sF| | i've tried to reinstall and then installed old amarok 1.4.5 but still same |
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| 16:05.14 | ATN | mmmhhh.... |
| 16:05.29 | ATN | im really sorry, I don't know how to help you... |
| 16:05.36 | icwiener | sF|: There is an #amarok channel, btw. Maybe you will be helped better over there. |
| 16:05.56 | icwiener | (/me has no clue either) |
| 16:06.16 | sF| | icwiener: i'm there at |
| 16:06.16 | sF| | m |
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| 16:10.18 | sF| | uuh that problem isn't only with amarok :o |
| 16:10.24 | sF| | my whole kde is dead |
| 16:10.27 | sF| | kopete: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN6QImageC3Ev |
| 16:10.49 | ATN | mmmhhhhh......then might I say...you're fucked... |
| 16:11.01 | sF| | ATN: lol :( |
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| 16:11.41 | sF| | i wonder what causes that |
| 16:11.53 | ATN | im really not an expert, but my first reflex would be save your files somewhere, and reinstall you os... |
| 16:11.55 | sF| | that is the problem fixable or do i need to reinstall whole system |
| 16:12.07 | sF| | ATN: that would be my first reflex |
| 16:12.08 | sF| | too |
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| 16:15.43 | sF| | only fun thing in this is that tomorrow will be kubuntu gutsy tribe 5 out and I can install that |
| 16:17.06 | ATN | eeewww, kubuntu.....go suse |
| 16:17.16 | ATN | and I think I need to reinstall my system too :P |
| 16:17.19 | i_is_cat | ewwwww suse... go slackware |
| 16:17.34 | level1_ | I don't know, apt is pretty nice |
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| 16:17.54 | ATN | eeewwwwww....slackware....... go windows 3.1 |
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| 16:18.12 | sF| | i like kubuntu, and xubuntu :) |
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| 16:18.28 | level1_ | i_is_cat: why is it called slackware? it seems like it takes a lot of work to use... the opposite of "slack" |
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| 16:18.45 | level1_ | sF|: people keep telling me nice things about xubuntu |
| 16:19.03 | ATN | sorry, I don't trust xfce |
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| 16:19.44 | level1_ | sF|: I'm still a kde fan. I have a dual core laptop and a quad core desktop, each with 2GB of ram. They were both expensive. I want a desktop that can make that inventment worthwile |
| 16:20.50 | sF| | uuh quad core :) |
| 16:21.19 | ATN | pfff, go the mac pro now with 8-core... |
| 16:21.29 | level1_ | I can run kde 4, kde 3, and vmware all with compositing... its very nice |
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| 16:22.23 | level1_ | incidentally, I've decided that I like kde 3 composite more than compiz or beryl... should I be amazed that I can run compisite in vesa? |
| 16:23.09 | Sho_ | KDE4's kwin will offer both XRender- and OpenGL-based compositing again |
| 16:23.43 | level1_ | Sho_: yeah, I've already seen it... I'm a big fan already, but its still a little broken on my nvidia card |
| 16:24.00 | Richlv | which packages determine obex vs obex2 kioslave availability ? |
| 16:24.19 | sF| | level1_: only little, what about ati's composite support :DX |
| 16:24.20 | sF| | :X |
| 16:24.40 | sF| | brb car -> |
| 16:25.04 | level1_ | ati has composite support? |
| 16:25.17 | Sho_ | level1_: Works pretty well here, I'm using it to window-manage my KDE 3 session |
| 16:25.32 | level1_ | Sho_: what window manager? |
| 16:25.43 | level1_ | Sho_: kwin 4? |
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| 16:26.19 | Sho_ | level1_: KDE 4s version of kwin, yes |
| 16:26.35 | Sho_ | ("kwin4" is actually a game in the kdegames module, too, so that name is a bit problematic ;) |
| 16:27.06 | level1_ | weird |
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| 16:27.55 | level1_ | Sho_: you have nvidia? my issue is that, when I switch between kde 4 to kde 3 and back, (switching between X terminals) when I come back to kde 4 the screen is black |
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| 16:28.00 | Kdeb | hi! |
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| 16:28.31 | level1_ | it doesn't happen with non-compositing kde 4, and I don't think it happens with compiz, so hopefully that means there's a workaround and I can use kwin composite |
| 16:29.29 | Sho_ | level1_: I have an 8800 GTX, yeah |
| 16:29.34 | level1_ | 8800 GTs |
| 16:29.42 | level1_ | thats weird, its basically the same card |
| 16:29.50 | level1_ | you don't have that issue? |
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| 16:30.21 | Sho_ | level1_: I can't say whether or not I'd have the same problem as you, as I don't switch between KDE 3 and 4 sessions. When I do development I have KDE 4 running in a Xephyr instance inside a KDE 3 session at the moment. But I use KDE 4's kwin to window-manage that KDE 3 session most of the time. |
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| 16:30.43 | GNU\colo | is KDE Kiosk still maintained/being worked on? |
| 16:31.05 | Sho_ | GNU\colo: In principle yes, although the admin GUI app probably needs a lot of work / may not be ported yet |
| 16:31.32 | GNU\colo | Sho_: does that mean it won't work with KDE 3.5-series, or are you referring to KDE 4 already? |
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| 16:31.55 | Sho_ | GNU\colo: I was assuming you were talking about KDE 4 :) |
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| 16:32.12 | GNU\colo | nope, I'm looking for a free kiosky desktop now :) |
| 16:32.30 | Sho_ | GNU\colo: KDE 3 is still being maintained, yes |
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| 16:33.10 | Roey | heya, does anyone else notice that Konqueror sometimes doesn't apply the CSS stylesheet to facebook.com??? |
| 16:33.10 | i_is_cat | level1_, slackware does not take a lot of work to use at all, that might have been so in the past but times have changed, if you can get over the cli install then you're gold |
| 16:33.58 | level1_ | i_is_cat: I'm interested in the package management... Does slack use rpm? |
| 16:34.03 | i_is_cat | level1_, i've used redhat, fedora, suse, ubuntu, mandrake, you name it and i find slackware to be the easiest to use by far |
| 16:34.14 | i_is_cat | slack has rpm2tgz |
| 16:34.41 | level1_ | i_is_cat: how does that work? I've only used apt based distros so far |
| 16:35.08 | i_is_cat | slack uses tgz files if you want to install something best way is compile by source but you also have the option of downloading apackage.tgz |
| 16:35.19 | i_is_cat | and then you just installpkg apackage.tgz |
| 16:35.20 | i_is_cat | done |
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| 16:36.11 | level1_ | i_is_cat: well, yeah, but apt does the downloading stuff for you and will automatically get the dependencies too... you almost never need to install from source |
| 16:36.19 | i_is_cat | no weird repo managers or anything.. altho you can get slackpkg which allows you to set a repo and keep things updated |
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| 16:36.29 | i_is_cat | eg: slackpkg upgrade kde |
| 16:36.48 | level1_ | i_is_cat: whats wrong with repo managers? |
| 16:37.03 | i_is_cat | i find them to be cumbersome and slow, bulky and useless |
| 16:37.20 | sF| | isn't tgz = gzipped tar file = .tar.gz :) |
| 16:37.29 | level1_ | yeah, their so much slower than manually downloading and installing packages |
| 16:37.36 | level1_ | it takes up so much more of your time |
| 16:37.41 | level1_ | sorry for the sarcasm |
| 16:37.58 | i_is_cat | yes but if you get a slackware tgz then installpkg takes care of the work ;) |
| 16:38.13 | level1_ | so does dpkg |
| 16:38.23 | i_is_cat | level1_, as i said, slackpkg does repo management if you want it |
| 16:38.34 | level1_ | I'm not trying to troll here, Im just trying to understand the issue |
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| 16:39.07 | i_is_cat | there is no issue, you just said that you thought it was difficult to use, i am telling you i've tried quite a few distros and i find it the easiest |
| 16:39.10 | i_is_cat | :) |
| 16:39.19 | level1_ | okay |
| 16:39.50 | i_is_cat | what distro do you use? |
| 16:40.26 | level1_ | well, right now I have debian on my laptop and kubuntu on my desktop.... ubuntu is nice because it autoconfigures stuff, but some of the stuff it does is insane |
| 16:40.37 | level1_ | sometimes its tottally irrational |
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| 16:40.50 | level1_ | debian is nice, but I wish it did more autoconfiguration |
| 16:40.56 | level1_ | kinda a catch 22 |
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| 16:41.39 | i_is_cat | also, i've only had my new hardware maybe a week now, but since getting it i installed slackware in 35min and it took 20min to get compiz-fusion running on kde with all the trimmings.. i havent had the experience with other distros and compiz (aside from kororaa live) so i couldnt tell you how easy they are but 20min, in my opinon, not being a coder, is easy |
| 16:41.58 | Mrrrr | Iv been very impressed with PC-BSD with that regard |
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| 16:42.03 | Mrrrr | it configs enough stuff |
| 16:42.09 | Mrrrr | but doesnt do anything silly |
| 16:42.16 | Mrrrr | and its got the goodness of FreeBSD :) |
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| 16:42.52 | i_is_cat | bsd is good.. but i still find slack to be easy |
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| 16:43.50 | i_is_cat | which i honestly found very odd considering i tried installing it years ago and couldnt figure out the cli installer.. manuals are your best friend i guess ;) |
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| 16:44.24 | hudsy | hi! |
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| 16:44.55 | i_is_cat | i put ubuntu on the pc for the kids and they seemed to like it ok.. but i dont like the lack of root access, and i dont like gnome |
| 16:44.55 | hudsy | i can't use usb because sabayon don't detect them |
| 16:45.06 | hudsy | any ideas? |
| 16:45.16 | Wyatt | hudsy: #sabayon? |
| 16:45.16 | level1_ | i_is_cat: kubuntu is nice |
| 16:45.34 | i_is_cat | ya i downloaded kubuntu and edubuntu gutsy tribe 2 |
| 16:45.39 | hudsy | Wyatt: yes |
| 16:45.41 | level1_ | i_is_cat: the root access isn't that annoying, just learn to use sudo |
| 16:45.50 | i_is_cat | the kids seem to like edubuntu a lot |
| 16:45.58 | i_is_cat | sudo always fails for some weird reason |
| 16:46.13 | level1_ | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:46.15 | Wyatt | hudsy: No, no, that was a suggestion to try in your distro's channel for distro-related issues :) |
| 16:46.17 | i_is_cat | anything |
| 16:46.21 | level1_ | !worksforme |
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| 16:46.30 | i_is_cat | :) |
| 16:46.31 | level1_ | what, no konqibot? |
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| 16:46.42 | hudsy | wyatt: ok thanks |
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| 16:48.02 | level1_ | i_is_cat: I think I'm going to use debian in the future... most of the stuff ubuntu could do I can do manually in debian, while nobody in the world seems to have the competance to fix ubuntu when it breaks |
| 16:49.48 | level1_ | i_is_cat: this one kubuntu install I had, I only had it worknig for a few weeks. I accidentally filled up the root partition (only 6GB)... kubuntu got unstable, so I deleted stuff to make it work again, but then I rebooted, and kde wouldn't start as a user... the only way I could log in was as root in gnome |
| 16:51.56 | i_is_cat | level1_, yes that is the kind of weird stuff i dont like happening |
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| 16:55.26 | sanguisdex | is this a good place to ask wuestions about Kompare? |
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| 16:55.40 | sanguisdex | *questions |
| 16:55.58 | level1_ | are we ever going to have smooth scrolling in kde, or will I be forced to figure out how to implement it myself? I know some people really hate the idea, but I think it could at least be a patch |
| 16:56.48 | icwiener | sanguisdex: Ask. If someone knows, (s)he'll answer. |
| 16:56.50 | Sho_ | level1_: Try out the "Domino" widget style, it implements smooth scrolling for all scrollviews |
| 16:57.07 | level1_ | Sho_: that didn't seem to like compiling on my debian |
| 16:58.10 | level1_ | i_is_cat: by the way, with the exception of kde 4, almost nothing has compiled for me when I follow the basic recipie.... either configure fails or make fails... is slackware more reliable? |
| 16:58.29 | sanguisdex | icwiener: fair enough |
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| 16:59.26 | sanguisdex | is there a plugin or a way to use kFTPgrabber to select files for merging w/ Kompare |
| 16:59.55 | Sho_ | sanguisdex: Just open them via an ftp:// URL from the file dialog |
| 17:00.09 | Sho_ | Every KDE app can read from and write to FTP servers |
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| 17:01.28 | sanguisdex | Sho_: that is all good and happy but I am looking for a little shorter route, w/ I guess does not exist at the moment |
| 17:02.10 | Sho_ | How would using a seperate application be a "shorter route"? |
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| 17:07.53 | sanguisdex | Sho_: well say I am working on a file and I have my local repo on the left and my remote dir on my right. Something has happened to my remote file, and I want to compare the two. Instead of having to open a separate file and re browse, (or copy and paste the file locations and type protocol prefixes) I can just highlight two files, right click and select "compare with Kompare" and it opens the 2 files. |
| 17:08.06 | sanguisdex | Sho_: there are way less key strokes here |
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| 17:08.33 | Sho_ | Well, you could write that as a service menu (would then show up under Actions in the context menu) for Konqueror |
| 17:08.42 | sanguisdex | plus I am already logged in to the server w/ kFTP why have to re log in |
| 17:09.15 | Sho_ | sanguisdex: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kompare-Two?content=14333 |
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| 17:11.05 | sanguisdex | Sho_: thanx just what I was looking for |
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| 17:26.12 | level1_ | Sho_: hey, domino is pretty nice |
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| 17:26.22 | Sho_ | level1_: agreed |
| 17:26.27 | level1_ | Sho_: where do I configure the scroll rate? |
| 17:26.43 | level1_ | Sho_: so that I can have a scroll thats maybe 4 or 5 lines at a time |
| 17:26.45 | Sho_ | level1_: KControl -> Peripherals -> Mouse -> Advanced |
| 17:26.59 | Sho_ | "Mouse wheel scrolls by:" at the bottom |
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| 17:29.56 | level1_ | Sho_: why does konqueror have upside down tabs now? |
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| 17:30.19 | Lanken | hey Sho_ |
| 17:30.22 | Sho_ | level1_: Because that's how Domino is designed |
| 17:30.26 | Sho_ | hi Lanken |
| 17:30.34 | logixoul | level1_: Domino's author decided he liked this safari feature |
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| 17:31.22 | level1_ | logixoul: safari has upside down tabs? anyway, is there a way to change that... all the other apps have right side up tabs |
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| 17:31.41 | logixoul | safari does, yes. No, you can't change it. |
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| 17:31.49 | Sho_ | Only by modifying the Domino source code |
| 17:31.59 | logixoul | yep |
| 17:32.21 | level1_ | thats funny |
| 17:32.41 | level1_ | he specifically wrote an exception for konqueror? |
| 17:32.46 | Sho_ | yup |
| 17:32.46 | logixoul | yep |
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| 17:34.10 | ChitleshGoorah | how can I make the "keyboard layout " appear on the kicker (on a fresh user creation) ? |
| 17:34.26 | level1_ | I can't find the place to configure gtk styles in kcontrol... I know its there in ubuntu, but I can't find it in debian |
| 17:34.35 | Sho_ | level1_: install gtk-qt-engine |
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| 17:35.55 | Sho_ | ChitleshGoorah: You need to check "Enable keyboard layouts" in KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout -> Layout, and unless you also check "Show indicator for single layout" on the "Switching Options" tab in the same KControl page, you need to have multiple keyboard layouts in the active list |
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| 17:36.55 | ChitleshGoorah | Sho_: what is the desktop file that proccess create ? |
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| 17:37.51 | Sho_ | ChitleshGoorah: It doesn't. It's a system tray icon. |
| 17:38.11 | Sho_ | Belonging to the kxkb process |
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| 17:39.02 | ChitleshGoorah | Sho_: but there must be a desktop file that ensure keyboard layouts presense on kicker on another login right ? |
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| 17:41.13 | Sho_ | ChitleshGoorah: kxkb is probably started by kded |
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| 17:41.38 | Sho_ | but I don't remember from memory |
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| 17:46.10 | ChitleshGoorah | Sho_: got it . .kde/share/config/kxkbrc |
| 17:46.34 | Sho_ | ChitleshGoorah: That's not a .desktop file, its the configuration file of kxkb |
| 17:46.43 | ChitleshGoorah | true |
| 17:46.44 | i_is_cat | level1_, configure, make, make install almost never fails on my system and when it does its usually because i didnt read the readme or install file that says do ./configure --with-something=/here which solves my problem |
| 17:47.03 | Sho_ | If you had asked for that, I'd have told you about it :) |
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| 17:49.42 | ChitleshGoorah | :) |
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| 18:24.02 | aluchko | I'm having an issue where the panel isn't autohiding, I'm running fedora 7 and kdebase-3.5.7-13.fc7 |
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| 18:25.49 | aluchko | it will sometime autohide for a while but then will simply stop hiding, I try turning autohiding off and on and that occasionally fixes it for a while but it rarely works for long |
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| 18:39.34 | waterpie | hi al |
| 18:40.27 | waterpie | i compile with no problems the tutorial program in http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/tutorial/p4.html but when i try to run it, it says: ./tut4: error while loading shared libraries: libkhtmlpart.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Any ideas? |
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| 18:44.50 | moldy | hi |
| 18:44.58 | moldy | is there such a thing as an svn integration for konqueror/kde? |
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| 18:48.15 | WishMasterNND | moldy: I think it's called cervisia. |
| 18:48.16 | waterpie | i compile with no problems the tutorial program in http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/tutorial/p4.html but when i try to run it, it says: ./tut4: error while loading shared libraries: libkhtmlpart.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Any ideas? |
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| 18:48.26 | moldy | WishMasterNND: thanks |
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| 18:49.28 | moldy | waterpie: you are lacking that library, or it is looking in the wrong place |
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| 18:50.40 | waterpie | moldy: it compiles, so its there. but can't find it when it tries to run. how can i tell it where it is? and why other kde progs don't have a problem? |
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| 18:51.25 | moldy | waterpie: i think the search path is governed by environment variables |
| 18:51.36 | moldy | waterpie: you could also set a symlink to the correct path |
| 18:52.27 | waterpie | moldy: but then why don't other kde progs have problem loading? how do they find the .so? |
| 18:52.37 | moldy | waterpie: i don't know |
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| 18:52.48 | moldy | waterpie: i only occasionaly write c/c++ and don't know much about kde |
| 18:53.03 | seanemerald | anyone knows of a cool network discussion channel? |
| 18:53.10 | waterpie | ok |
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| 18:56.22 | netwizd | does anyone know of a cool network discussion channel=? |
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| 19:20.21 | ehc | can I use kde's system settings to add a startup script? |
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| 19:29.25 | tstaerk | how can I svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org ? |
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| 19:32.05 | Sho_ | tstaerk: What do you mean "how"? |
| 19:32.39 | tstaerk | Sho_: I sit behind a proxy and can svn co https://svn.kde.org |
| 19:32.49 | tstaerk | but I get "unknown host" if I |
| 19:32.58 | tstaerk | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org |
| 19:33.10 | Sho_ | tstaerk: ah ... anonsvn is only available via svnserve, not http, I think |
| 19:33.38 | tstaerk | Sho_: I think that is my problem. What do enterprise users (with proxy) do now ? |
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| 19:35.18 | Sho_ | Ask their sysadmin team to put up a mirror? Dunno |
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| 19:39.50 | tstaerk | wasn't the sense of subversion that you can use it over a proxy ? |
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| 19:54.27 | timrs | ello |
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| 19:55.48 | timrs | ive a problem with the get_oxygen.sh script from kde-apps.org, it says svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen doesn't exist, what should i hange that to? |
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| 19:57.00 | Sho_ | tstaerk: No, the sense of Subversion was to fix various issues with CVS |
| 19:57.12 | nosrednaekim | what are we planning on doing about this? http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8454912761.html |
| 19:57.50 | Sho_ | nosrednaekim: Release KDE 4 ;) |
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| 19:58.45 | nosrednaekim | yeah... I guess so. I would have to attribute it to the popularity of ubuntu which chose GNOME over KDE |
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| 20:04.37 | pinotree | timrs: complain to its author |
| 20:05.44 | nosrednaekim | ubuntu users aren't aware of that awesome distro named Kubuntu ;) |
| 20:06.18 | pinotree | ubunt users aren't aware of all the fuckages ubuntu does wrt the upstream developers |
| 20:06.46 | Wyatt | ubuntu users don't tend to care as far as I've been able to ascertain |
| 20:06.51 | tstaerk | nosrednaekim: bullshit, ubuntu with KDE is much better. |
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| 20:07.19 | nosrednaekim | I know... thats what I was saying. |
| 20:07.36 | tstaerk | nosrednaekim: e.g. because of e.g. synaptic is replaced by a stupid tool in kubuntu. |
| 20:07.46 | pinotree | Wyatt: oh well, but then they _do_ care when their distro is broken, programs have memleaks and tons of crashes |
| 20:08.31 | nosrednaekim | tstaerk: yeah Adept isn't as good as synaptic.. I have to admit. but thats as far as it goes. |
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| 20:08.58 | tstaerk | nosrednaekim: yes... so, kubuntu is better than ubuntu, but ubuntu with KDE beats 'em all ;) |
| 20:09.19 | nosrednaekim | yep... thats about where its at :) |
| 20:09.32 | Wyatt | It's a bit annoying how the writer talks about this as if it has anything to do with an actual choice on part of the users. |
| 20:09.34 | Sho_ | Fedora's shaping up to be a pretty nice KDE distro, too |
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| 20:10.13 | Wyatt | I wonder just what percentage of Unbuntu users have heard of Kubuntu or KDE and chose to stay with Gnome? |
| 20:10.46 | pinotree | Wyatt: it's a bit annoying when users come to us developers saying "your program crashes" when it's actually the new shiny broken ubuntu patch to the app |
| 20:10.51 | Sho_ | Wyatt: It's e.g. remarkable that just under 50% of RHEL customers end up using KDE, despite RHEL shipping with Gnome by default - that's conscious choice .. |
| 20:10.51 | tstaerk | Wyatt: this figures are stupid - if KDE or gnome is afront depends on the continent where you are doing the survey. |
| 20:10.57 | nosrednaekim | Wyatt: not sure... I don't get many compaints on #kubuntu about how bad it stinks. |
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| 20:11.05 | dpy | hi guys |
| 20:11.11 | dpy | say, does anyone know the name of the kde applet to quickly resize the desktop ? |
| 20:11.19 | Wyatt | But isn't it nice being able to send bugs DOWNstream for a change? ;) |
| 20:11.21 | tstaerk | Wyatt: in Europe, 70% use KDE, in US, 70% use gnome |
| 20:11.52 | Skrot- | Pulling statistics out of thin air? ;) |
| 20:11.53 | Sho_ | Wyatt: You wish ... Kubuntu actually managed to send me a bug report once for a problem they had caused ;) |
| 20:12.15 | Wyatt | Return to Sender. |
| 20:12.17 | tstaerk | Sho_: cool stuff ;) |
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| 20:12.38 | dpy | nobody ? |
| 20:12.55 | nosrednaekim | I HATE shift+bkspce... running compiz. |
| 20:13.00 | Skrot- | dpy: krandrtray methinks |
| 20:13.15 | Sho_ | yes, Skrot- is right |
| 20:13.25 | Skrot- | \o/ |
| 20:13.32 | dpy | Skrot-: that's it |
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| 20:13.34 | dpy | thanks |
| 20:13.51 | Skrot- | Which will be even cooler for KDE 4 in concert with RandR >= 1.2.1 from what I've heard |
| 20:14.52 | Sho_ | there's someone working on bringing KRandR into shape for XRandR 1.2 support, yeah |
| 20:14.59 | pinotree | nosrednaekim: then #compiz please, complaining about that are unuseful here |
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| 20:15.25 | nosrednaekim | pinotree: just explaining why I had left so quickly. sorry |
| 20:15.44 | Skrot- | Sho_: Yupp, SoC-project :-) |
| 20:16.00 | |timrs| | the get_oxygen script from kde-apps.org states 'svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen' doesn't exist, did the location change? |
| 20:16.16 | Sho_ | |timrs|: yes, to kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen |
| 20:16.20 | pinotree | |timrs|: as i said, complain to its develop |
| 20:16.23 | pinotree | +=er |
| 20:16.26 | |timrs| | k, thnx |
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| 20:20.06 | SimAtWork | i know this is premature still.. but does anyone knw if k3b has blu ray support? |
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| 20:20.34 | Wyatt | A bit premature to say "premature" |
| 20:21.15 | Wyatt | Do BD writers even exist yet? |
| 20:21.18 | nosrednaekim | :) |
| 20:21.30 | nosrednaekim | Wyatt: yeah.... Sony Lappys have them |
| 20:21.43 | SimAtWork | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&type=&Description=Blu-Ray+burner&Submit=ENE&N=0&Ntk=all&CMP=KNC-GoogleAdwords&ATT=OpticalDrives |
| 20:21.47 | SimAtWork | 459.99 |
| 20:21.52 | SimAtWork | from liteon/newegg |
| 20:21.58 | Sho_ | SimAtWork: Buy one for Sebastian and it might ;) |
| 20:22.01 | SimAtWork | i'm eyeing it and thinking.. 50gb.. |
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| 20:24.16 | |timrs| | SimAtWork: don't you think that those can be damaged too easily? one spec of dust should do it in... |
| 20:24.19 | Wyatt | Hmm...well I don't know about Mr Trüg, but I certainly don't have a spare $460 plus the price of (unproven) blank media. |
| 20:24.50 | SimAtWork | |timrs|: the blu ray disks i have now seem very durable |
| 20:24.54 | Sho_ | Wyatt: Mr. Trueg basically single-handedly wrote K3b |
| 20:24.55 | SimAtWork | |timrs|: extremely even |
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| 20:25.18 | SimAtWork | |timrs|: maybe the -r media wouldn't be as reliable |
| 20:25.30 | |timrs| | the dual-layer dvds i have die the second the 360 touches them, i wouldn't think blue ray would be as reliable... |
| 20:25.37 | Wyatt | Sho_: I know. S'why his name's on it, right? :) |
| 20:26.25 | Sho_ | Wyatt: Well it's fairly unusual for a single person to have done such a high percentage of the work on an application with the scope of something like K3b |
| 20:26.30 | Wyatt | And I thank his (not yet deceased) spirit frequently for it. |
| 20:26.41 | Wyatt | It's a fine piece of work |
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| 20:28.30 | inanimate | Is there any way to search for all but something in Konqueror? (Like everything but *.mp3?) |
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| 20:31.25 | Sho_ | inanimate: You can indeed add *.mp3 to a path in the address bar and it will only show *.mp3 files |
| 20:31.50 | Sho_ | but I don't think it supports negation |
| 20:32.12 | inanimate | Sho_: OK, so you can't search for everything but a certain expression? |
| 20:32.49 | Sho_ | That depends largely on what you mean by "search" |
| 20:33.12 | inanimate | Well, Ctrl+F style. |
| 20:33.17 | inanimate | Finding files. |
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| 20:33.36 | Sho_ | The Find File feature / KFind can do it, via regex |
| 20:33.48 | Sho_ | But the file listing itself only does whitelist |
| 20:34.16 | setre | is it possible to make ktorrent not ask about download directory? the preference doesn't seem to work for me. |
| 20:34.56 | Sho_ | You could use the Directory Filter Plugin (Tools -> View Filter) as a poor man's blacklist by checking everything except that one type, but that's tedious |
| 20:36.56 | inanimate | Sho_: Yeah, that's the problem. I have an idea of what kind of files I want to get rid of, but there are so many types, it's hard to check them all and be sure I got everything. |
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| 20:37.17 | inanimate | How would you do a regex in Find File? I could just do '^*.mp3'? |
| 20:37.22 | inanimate | (Because that didn't work.) |
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| 20:39.21 | dpy | what can be wrong if my session is not saved ? |
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| 20:39.53 | dpy | if I log out, then konsole isn't restarted with all opened tabs and dirs, and krandrtray is missing |
| 20:40.03 | dpy | log out and log in again, I mean |
| 20:40.16 | dpy | anyone ? |
| 20:40.27 | tstaerk | ^((?!blah).)*$ |
| 20:40.41 | tstaerk | surely does not deliver you blah |
| 20:40.42 | tstaerk | ;) |
| 20:40.49 | tstaerk | inanimate: ^^^ |
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| 20:41.37 | tstaerk | dpy: kcontrol allows you to automatically save your sessions or start with a new one every time or start with a saved one |
| 20:41.51 | dpy | oh it's a config option ? |
| 20:41.59 | tstaerk | dpy: yes |
| 20:42.02 | dpy | must've turned it on on the default login then |
| 20:43.00 | tstaerk | dpy: kcontrol -> KDE components -> session manager |
| 20:43.04 | dpy | tnx, I've found the option |
| 20:43.05 | tafsen | How do I get the notification(the program blinking on the taskbar) to work with Konversation when someone say my name in a channel? |
| 20:43.10 | dpy | it was on empty session |
| 20:43.21 | inanimate | tstaerk: Thanks, I think that's the right idea. Now I need to figure out how to get KFind to work with regular expressions. |
| 20:43.25 | tstaerk | dpy: thanks for the feedback, good to know I could help |
| 20:43.41 | Sho_ | see Settings -> Configure Notifications |
| 20:43.55 | Sho_ | tafsen: ^ |
| 20:44.15 | gardo | anyone experienced in dual monitors? |
| 20:44.28 | gardo | got a little bit of a problem |
| 20:44.30 | tstaerk | inanimate: I do not think konqueror will let you do this for file names, however, good luck |
| 20:44.45 | gardo | when i lock my desktop, both the monitors get locked |
| 20:44.46 | inanimate | tsaerk: Yeah, that's the problem =(... |
| 20:44.58 | gardo | i want only 1 monitor to be locked. is it possible? |
| 20:46.55 | tafsen | Sho_: Thx. Could you try typing my name? :p |
| 20:47.02 | Sho_ | tafsen |
| 20:47.09 | tafsen | thx |
| 20:47.34 | tafsen | Sho_: Is it possible to minmize it to the system tray icon? |
| 20:48.15 | Sho_ | tafsen: If the tray icon is enabled you can use the window close button to hide the window, and click the tray icon to show it again |
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| 21:10.59 | [x]illogic-al | anyone here knows where Blitz is? |
| 21:11.10 | [x]illogic-al | for the compilinks of kde4? |
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| 21:15.05 | rdale | kdesupport |
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| 21:16.35 | [x]illogic-al | thank you kind sir. |
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| 21:20.34 | DrakeJustice | kde4 on ubuntu feisty howto plz? |
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| 21:23.48 | Wyatt | DrakeJustice: #ubuntu would probably be the place for that |
| 21:24.22 | SimAtWork | yay |
| 21:24.24 | SimAtWork | upgraded version of kde |
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| 21:32.40 | sammy | anyone currently logged onto msn with kopete? |
| 21:32.51 | fred | yup |
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| 21:33.07 | sammy | fred: figured as much. if it was a widespread problem, there'd be more people complaining :) |
| 21:33.28 | sammy | I can connect using other msn clients, and kopete worked flawlessly from this machine in this network location in the past. now it just dies silently :( |
| 21:33.43 | fred | What version? |
| 21:34.27 | sammy | 0.12.4 using kde 3.5.6 on kubuntu |
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| 21:34.49 | sammy | I admit not being up to date with version numbers since I started using easy-as-pie-to-update kubuntu |
| 21:34.58 | fred | Try updating: 0.12.5/3.5.7 here |
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| 21:35.09 | majorjrk | what do i need in kde to autodiscover and mount a usb cam ? |
| 21:35.10 | sammy | on kubuntu or another distro? |
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| 21:36.18 | sammy | I thought I had all the 'if you check me i might install scary bleeding edge versions of programs' checked in the package manager, but maybe a 0.12.5 package hasn't been made yet. *goes looking* |
| 21:36.35 | sammy | thanks, fred |
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| 21:43.09 | sammy | looks like 3.5.6 is the latest in the feisty-fawn repositories. though I'm still new to this debian package system. |
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| 21:44.09 | sammy | I should write something to archive and index conversations in irc channels so they can be added to some sort of knowledge database. |
| 21:44.24 | sammy | it's about as useful as scanning mailing list archives |
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| 21:46.08 | [x]illogic-al | sammy: kubuntu has 3.5.7 packages |
| 21:46.20 | sammy | [x]illogic-al: I was thinking they might |
| 21:46.20 | [x]illogic-al | i believe. |
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| 21:46.43 | sammy | in the default repositories, I've checked all availble buttons in the adept-manager for unsupported updates to packages, but no dice |
| 21:47.25 | [x]illogic-al | adept is horriblé |
| 21:47.37 | sammy | there's a lot of random kde applications that are upgradable now, but I don't see across the board 3.5.7 updates, nor do I see anything more recent than 3.5.6 for kopete. I'm still searching, though. I don't like adding repositories if I don't have to :P |
| 21:50.41 | sammy | [x]illogic-al: are you running 3.5.7 on kubuntu? |
| 21:51.55 | [x]illogic-al | nope. |
| 21:52.03 | [x]illogic-al | 3.5.7 on os x. |
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| 21:54.52 | sammy | [x]illogic-al: nice |
| 21:55.06 | sammy | i miss my powerbook *mourn* |
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| 21:56.07 | sammy | do you install from source? (for bonus points?) |
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| 22:00.25 | sabayonlive-3632 | in compiz, how do you make it so it doesnt rotate the cube when you are on the left or right edge, but only when you drag a window to the edge, it will still rotate? |
| 22:01.15 | pinotree | sabayonlive-3632: #compiz please |
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| 22:26.19 | PussInBoots | anyone getting crashes in kmail from kdepim3.5.7enterprise suse 10.2 rpm package when retrieving mails? |
| 22:26.54 | StupotAce | I'm not. |
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| 22:36.15 | SEpda | is KDE developed with qt desinger? |
| 22:36.24 | SEpda | or just kdevelop |
| 22:38.37 | letto | SEpda: everybody uses wath he wants |
| 22:39.13 | SEpda | I'm just wonder if there used |
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| 22:39.32 | SEpda | is qt designer used much? |
| 22:39.45 | SEpda | is there a percentage |
| 22:40.16 | letto | SEpda: no afaik |
| 22:40.42 | SEpda | I'm guessing if kde devs work for trol tec you'd think so thats all |
| 22:41.04 | SEpda | letto: Kdevelop? |
| 22:41.28 | letto | SEpda: there aren't many devs that work for trolltech |
| 22:41.37 | SEpda | oh |
| 22:41.45 | SEpda | i hear there were some |
| 22:42.20 | letto | SEpda: Kdevelop probably isn't used much , editors like kate and vim are used by many |
| 22:42.38 | SEpda | ok |
| 22:42.46 | letto | SEpda: at least according to interviews |
| 22:43.31 | SEpda | i was thinking of giving qt desiigner a go |
| 22:43.45 | SEpda | if its got an open source version |
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| 23:29.46 | level1 | Hi, i'm using kde 3's kwin composite... its nice, but it makes the taskbar tranparent (even with transparancy turned off) and this makes it a little hard to read... is there a way to force the panel to have 100% transparancy? |
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| 23:40.16 | stoned | level1: yes, panel transparency is controlled through |
| 23:40.26 | level1 | ? |
| 23:40.27 | stoned | Kcontrol > Desktop > Panels |
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| 23:40.43 | stoned | Appearance, Enable Transparency |
| 23:40.49 | stoned | click on Advanced Options |
| 23:40.53 | level1 | stoned: well, thats unchecked... its a different transparancy, see thats psuedo transparancy |
| 23:41.04 | stoned | change the transparency level to tint 0% for full transparency |
| 23:41.08 | stoned | or 100% for opaque |
| 23:41.26 | stoned | you can chose the tint color as well |
| 23:41.53 | stoned | oh |
| 23:41.57 | level1 | stoned: I only have the option to tint |
| 23:41.58 | stoned | did I misunderstand you level1 ? |
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| 23:42.34 | level1 | well, I'm looking at the configuration dialog and its not there |
| 23:42.46 | level1 | theres only tint, no transparancy |
| 23:42.55 | level1 | anyway, I want to turn transparancy off, not on |
| 23:42.55 | stoned | its the bottom box |
| 23:42.59 | stoned | it is labled transparency |
| 23:43.12 | stoned | but if you have it unchecked in the prev dialog box |
| 23:43.19 | stoned | then I think it shouldn't matter, so that does not help us |
| 23:43.32 | level1 | yes, it says "tint color", "tint amount (min to max)", "Also apply to panel with menu bar" |
| 23:43.40 | stoned | tint 0%? |
| 23:43.50 | level1 | tried taht |
| 23:43.52 | level1 | that |
| 23:43.53 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:45.22 | stoned | you have kde composite on? |
| 23:45.24 | stoned | what does that mean? |
| 23:45.42 | stoned | the only place where else I know of to turn on transparency is Desktop > Window Behaviour |
| 23:45.53 | level1 | yes, that one |
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| 23:45.57 | stoned | that should not apply to the panels though |
| 23:46.02 | level1 | under translucency and shadows |
| 23:46.04 | level1 | well, it does |
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| 23:47.04 | ner0x | What is a good gui ftp server program for kde? |
| 23:47.08 | stoned | well I don't have composite from my video driver |
| 23:47.10 | stoned | so I can't help you test |
| 23:47.12 | stoned | sorry |
| 23:47.33 | stoned | but I am able to use composite extention off in xorg.conf and enable panel transparency and I can adjust it just fine |
| 23:47.40 | stoned | maybe someone else could give it a shot level1 |
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| 23:47.46 | stoned | ner0x: kftp? |
| 23:47.51 | stoned | if it doesn't exist, it should :) |
| 23:48.02 | Sho_ | ner0x: Konqueror or KFTPGrabber |
| 23:48.13 | stoned | Sho_: how come no standalone ftp named kftp |
| 23:48.13 | level1 | stoned: actually, on my laptop I'm running kde 3 composite on my laptop under vesa... works great, no lag |
| 23:48.16 | stoned | that seems the obvious choice |
| 23:48.20 | Sho_ | stoned: dunno |
| 23:48.22 | ner0x | Sho_: Server not client. |
| 23:48.25 | level1 | stoned: course I have a dual core |
| 23:48.25 | ner0x | Sho_: :) |
| 23:48.31 | stoned | level1: i think Sho_ might know |
| 23:48.31 | Sho_ | ner0x: oops, misread |
| 23:48.40 | Sho_ | ner0x: There's a fairly decent KControl admin module for pure-ftpd |
| 23:48.53 | ner0x | Sho_: pure-ftpd doesn't seem to work at all. |
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| 23:49.07 | stoned | ner0x: oh you asked for server program |
| 23:49.18 | level1 | Sho_: I'm using kde 3's composite manager... its very nice, but it makes my taskbar tranparent for some reason and I don't want it to be trasparent |
| 23:49.23 | ner0x | stoned: Server configuration program. Yeah. :) |
| 23:49.24 | stoned | dunno about gui, but if you must use ftp instead of sftp then please try VSFTPD |
| 23:49.29 | Sho_ | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10437 |
| 23:49.39 | stoned | vsftpd is amazing, secure, small and very easy to configure and setup |
| 23:49.51 | stoned | the config file is very well commented and the documentation is amazing |
| 23:50.01 | stoned | it is used by kernel.org and openbsd as well I think |
| 23:50.03 | Sho_ | level1: Adjust the slider for "Dock windows" on the Opacity tab |
| 23:50.12 | stoned | Sho_: ahh thats what dock windows does |
| 23:50.17 | stoned | well i'll be damned |
| 23:50.43 | Sho_ | stoned: Yeah - "Dock windows" is a certain class of windows, and Kicker happens to have one of 'em |
| 23:50.52 | stoned | I see |
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| 23:50.57 | level1 | Sho_: kthx! |
| 23:51.08 | stoned | Sho_ is da man |
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| 23:52.58 | stoned | Sho_: will my request be fulfilled in kde4 regarding themeable konversation and right aligned nicks? |
| 23:53.28 | stoned | I hope so :) |
| 23:53.56 | Sho_ | stoned: I don't know what you mean with themable specifically, but I do plan to have column alignment in the text display widget, yes |
| 23:54.06 | stoned | nice |
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| 23:55.01 | stoned | Sho_: What i mean is for example the MTS theme entine in mIRC, or irssi themes, or BX themes etc. You know, where you can modify/fornat the how the irc events would look in a konversation theme file |
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| 23:56.26 | stoned | did that make any sense? |
| 23:56.38 | stoned | I'm usually horrible at explaining things |
| 23:57.31 | Sho_ | stoned: The architecture redesign that is planned should bring the ability to override and reimplement the reaction to certain events (such as the message that is displayed in the text display widget), it's possible that might evolve into some sort of theming system |
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| 23:58.32 | stoned | I see |
| 23:58.43 | stoned | well my good man, lets cross my fingers eh ;) |
