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| 00:03.08 | stoned | is there a way to right align the text in the kmenu? |
| 00:03.29 | stoned | if not, then where is this piece of code located |
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| 00:03.46 | stoned | would kmenu be in kdesktop or kwin or kicker? |
| 00:04.02 | Liquid_Fire | kicker |
| 00:04.12 | Liquid_Fire | though it's actually a kicker applet |
| 00:04.31 | Liquid_Fire | or at least, the button that shows it is.. |
| 00:04.33 | stoned | Liquid_Fire: its the menu that pops up when you right click the desktop |
| 00:04.38 | stoned | as per my settings |
| 00:04.42 | stoned | its from an applet? |
| 00:05.01 | stoned | I have application menu set to popup on desktop right click |
| 00:05.13 | stoned | this is coming from applet or actual kdesktop? |
| 00:05.25 | Liquid_Fire | no, the applet is just the k-menu button i think... but i think the menu itself is part of kicker |
| 00:05.25 | stoned | because the config resides in the desktop config page |
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| 00:05.40 | stoned | Liquid_Fire: wanna play find the code ? |
| 00:05.41 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:05.43 | Liquid_Fire | you could test this... kill kicker, right click on your desktop :P |
| 00:06.28 | stoned | yup |
| 00:06.30 | stoned | its kicker |
| 00:07.34 | stoned | wow |
| 00:07.47 | stoned | I downloaded the source for kicker and its downloading source for kdebase |
| 00:07.52 | stoned | strange |
| 00:07.58 | stoned | I migh have to visit debian-kde |
| 00:08.06 | pinotree | nope, that's correct |
| 00:08.23 | pinotree | kicker is part of kdebase, and can be compiled only within kdebase |
| 00:08.25 | stoned | so yes i guessed it is a part of kdebase |
| 00:08.27 | stoned | yeh |
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| 00:08.31 | stoned | i see |
| 00:08.44 | stoned | pinotree: would you know where exactly this code is located that displays the kmenu |
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| 00:09.52 | pinotree | kdebase/kicker/kicker/ui/k_mnu.{cpp|h}, i think |
| 00:10.06 | stoned | ...e/stoned/kdebase-3.5.7/kicker/applets/menu ? |
| 00:10.07 | stoned | not here? |
| 00:10.08 | pinotree | it'd look like that one, but i cannot be sure |
| 00:10.25 | stoned | menuapplet.cpp or menuapplet.h |
| 00:10.37 | pinotree | not sure, you should check |
| 00:10.48 | Liquid_Fire | the applet might just be the button that displays the menu |
| 00:11.01 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:11.22 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:11.32 | stoned | maybe menu is just the panel code |
| 00:11.37 | Liquid_Fire | teah i think the files pinotree mentioned are correct |
| 00:11.38 | stoned | applet that display desktop menu |
| 00:11.39 | Liquid_Fire | *yeah |
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| 00:15.43 | xp_prg | hi all, I am trying to run a kde app called rosegarden and getting errors like: Failed to open device |
| 00:15.44 | xp_prg | X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167 |
| 00:15.54 | xp_prg | I think this is kde related, anyone know how I might fix it? |
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| 00:18.32 | stoned | ok |
| 00:18.42 | stoned | so i can't quite figure out exactly where it is |
| 00:20.25 | Liquid_Fire | stoned: isn't it in kicker/kicker/ui/k_menu.* ? |
| 00:20.31 | stoned | yes |
| 00:20.35 | stoned | but where in side |
| 00:20.59 | stoned | going through the code now, but it seems like everything is a modular thing |
| 00:21.11 | stoned | dynamic menus, client menus, side image, captions |
| 00:21.21 | stoned | need to make the menubar captions alight to the right |
| 00:21.33 | stoned | not exactly sure how to accomplish this |
| 00:22.50 | stoned | and I've no idea what half these fuctions do in the kde libs |
| 00:22.55 | stoned | this is my first time looking at kde source code |
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| 00:23.38 | Liquid_Fire | well you'll probably need some Qt knowledge to do what you want |
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| 00:25.43 | stoned | maybe a dev can advise? |
| 00:26.11 | xp_prg | stoned: can you help me too? :) |
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| 00:27.45 | illogic-al | xp_prg: sounds like it is related to your sound setup. not kde |
| 00:28.22 | illogic-al | stoned: whatcha trying to do? |
| 00:28.48 | illogic-al | i spelunked in the kicker source before. |
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| 00:37.48 | autarquico | hello geeks |
| 00:37.56 | Sho_ | hello geek |
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| 00:38.16 | caoster | anyone in here use kmail? |
| 00:38.28 | caoster | i'm having a bit of trouble with gpg in kmail |
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| 00:39.27 | caoster | i'm running kmail 1.8.2 |
| 00:39.43 | caoster | the encryption key selection box won't let me select the key i imported |
| 00:40.00 | caoster | this key had 3 addresses assigned to it, and seems fine when i use it from the command line |
| 00:40.06 | Sho_ | Make sure you've got the trust level stuff set up correctly after importing |
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| 00:43.41 | caoster | SWEEET! |
| 00:43.43 | caoster | that was it |
| 00:43.46 | caoster | bloody hell |
| 00:44.06 | stoned | illogic-al: right align the text in menu |
| 00:44.12 | Sho_ | caoster: :) |
| 00:44.18 | stoned | so it is right aligned next to the arrow |
| 00:44.34 | stoned | kinda like where you can specify in blackbox/fluxbox config how to align the menu text |
| 00:44.48 | stoned | Sho_: do you know how, i'm the kicker k_mnu.cpp file |
| 00:44.51 | Sho_ | stoned: run kicker as "kicker --reverse"? ;) |
| 00:45.00 | stoned | seriously? |
| 00:45.04 | stoned | could it be that easy? |
| 00:45.07 | stoned | Sho_: you messin with me? |
| 00:45.24 | Sho_ | stoned: Well, not seriously ;) That will switch the entire app into right-to-left mode |
| 00:45.24 | caoster | crap, Sho_ that wasn't it after all |
| 00:45.57 | stoned | Sho_: that is for like right to left languages I'm guessing? |
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| 00:46.17 | stoned | Sho_: i have no qt skills and i have no idea what these functions do |
| 00:46.24 | stoned | im trying to make sense out of it as much as possible |
| 00:46.47 | Sho_ | stoned: with --reverse you get http://www.eikehein.com/kmenu-rtl.png :) |
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| 00:47.24 | stoned | Sho_: yeah, I need that alignment + arrow on the right side too |
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| 00:48.01 | stoned | does the qt widget for menu allow some align property? |
| 00:48.52 | stoned | ...home/stoned/kdebase-3.5.7/kicker/kicker/ui/k_mnu.cpp |
| 00:49.07 | stoned | Sho_: wanna take a peek and maybe advise furthur |
| 00:49.43 | Liquid_Fire | stoned: there are also a number of k-menu replacements, possibly one of them may have the feature you need |
| 00:49.52 | stoned | nah |
| 00:49.57 | stoned | that way I won't learn nothing |
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| 00:50.07 | caoster | Sho_ so what would be the reason kmail would not allow me to pick the key from the list? |
| 00:50.09 | stoned | I've been searching kde lib apis etc. |
| 00:50.19 | stoned | i think it might be fun to code in kde |
| 00:50.24 | stoned | I am familiar with C# |
| 00:50.42 | Sho_ | caoster: I'm afraid my wisdom ended at the previous suggestion pretty much ... |
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| 00:52.14 | illogic-al | stoned: that's almost certainly a Qt option. |
| 00:52.52 | stoned | illogic-al: I would hope so |
| 00:53.25 | illogic-al | stoned: i help you look if you want... |
| 00:53.39 | stoned | sure |
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| 00:53.47 | Sho_ | stoned: I'm afraid changing the text alignment for the menu items is slightly more involved than I can explain in the time I have left before I really want to go to bed |
| 00:53.50 | stoned | man I still have to do the company website |
| 00:54.18 | illogic-al | stoned: do you know what type of widget the kmenu is? |
| 00:54.32 | stoned | illogic-al: no clue, I'll have to read up on it man |
| 00:54.38 | stoned | I'm clueless right now |
| 00:54.47 | Sho_ | stoned: The KMenu popup menus are KPanelMenus, which is a subclass of KPopupMenu, which is a subclass of QPopupMenu, and the paintEvent() implementation that contains the text rendering (and the alignment flag) is in that Qt class |
| 00:55.20 | stoned | i see |
| 00:55.45 | Liquid_Fire | would it be possible to just set the menu items to right-to-left? |
| 00:55.53 | Sho_ | stoned: Since you don't want to change the text rendering behavior of every popup menu everywhere but KMenu specifically, you have to add a reimplementation of paintEvent() somewhere higher up in the chain, or patch the code to use slightly modified copies of KPopupMenu and QPopupMenu |
| 00:56.09 | Liquid_Fire | woudl be a lot easier than tweaking the painting code, imo |
| 00:56.31 | Sho_ | Liquid_Fire: Well then he gets the arrow on the wrong side, too :-) |
| 00:57.20 | Sho_ | Liquid_Fire: Essentially he needs to change one flag in a drawText() call in the paintEvent() implementation, but that drawText() call is in a location in the codebase where it affects all popup menus, so he has to move the implementation somewhere else |
| 00:58.04 | illogic-al | well now we know what to do so it'll be easy! :-) |
| 00:58.18 | stoned | yeah, thanks very much for that |
| 00:58.22 | stoned | at least now I have a clue |
| 00:58.23 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:58.35 | stoned | actually all menus right aligned won't be a bad idea |
| 00:58.48 | stoned | it would be right next to the arrows |
| 00:58.51 | stoned | just the way i like it |
| 00:58.56 | stoned | I might try that |
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| 00:59.14 | stoned | im thirsty |
| 00:59.16 | Liquid_Fire | or right next to the hotkeys :) |
| 00:59.21 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:59.32 | stoned | xfce is good but lacked one thing |
| 00:59.37 | Sho_ | Well, the easiest and dirtiest hack would be to make copies of QPopupMenu and KPopupMenu, change the class names, modify the paintEvent() implementation, wiggle around the include directives in KPanelMenu and the two clones, and that's that ;) |
| 00:59.50 | stoned | in kde you can set desktop right/middle/left click to winow, application, desktop menus |
| 00:59.50 | Sho_ | Alternatively, moving the paintEvent implementation to KPanelMenu |
| 00:59.54 | stoned | not in xfce |
| 01:00.08 | stoned | it wasn't hard to change the simple mouse bindings for popup menus |
| 01:00.15 | stoned | plus the code was very easy to understand |
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| 01:00.21 | stoned | kde I am afraid is much more complex than that |
| 01:00.29 | stoned | to me it looks so far like object oriented code |
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| 01:01.59 | Sho_ | stoned: Indeed, 99% of the KDE codebase is object-oriented C++ code |
| 01:02.16 | xp_prg | I am being told to set my KDEDIRS to the correct directory |
| 01:02.20 | xp_prg | how do I know what that is? |
| 01:02.35 | stoned | not too far off from c# |
| 01:02.36 | Sho_ | stoned: I'll be going to bed now, but if you hit a wall I can try to help you more closely tomorrow |
| 01:02.44 | stoned | Sho_: thanks buddy |
| 01:02.45 | Sho_ | g'night |
| 01:02.46 | stoned | have a good night |
| 01:02.53 | stoned | dream about big breasted womens |
| 01:02.54 | stoned | :D |
| 01:03.04 | stoned | cuz everybody like big ones |
| 01:03.06 | stoned | :D |
| 01:03.18 | stoned | anyway.. im gonna get high and go through qt docs |
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| 01:04.41 | illogic-al | well i'll stay sober and look through the qt docs. |
| 01:05.09 | illogic-al | stoned: i think we just might be able to cancel each other out and accomplish nothing. |
| 01:05.12 | illogic-al | :-) |
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| 01:05.59 | stoned | lol |
| 01:06.04 | stoned | illogic-al: pm |
| 01:08.01 | xp_prg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.01 | xp_prg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.09 | xp_prg | what are the standard KDE installation directories? |
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| 01:12.32 | illogic-al | xp_prg: run 'kde-config --prefix |
| 01:12.42 | illogic-al | to see. |
| 01:13.32 | illogic-al | xp_prg: any reason you're not using your distros rosegaren packages? |
| 01:13.47 | xp_prg | they don't work :( |
| 01:13.59 | xp_prg | it says failed to start sequencer |
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| 01:15.17 | xp_prg | if I erased my .kde directory how can I restore it? |
| 01:15.45 | illogic-al | by erased you mean delete ? |
| 01:16.22 | nextime | why my autologout config won't work, uff |
| 01:16.24 | illogic-al | xp_prg: then something is probably wrong with your sound setup. |
| 01:16.27 | xp_prg | he wrong versions of Rosegarden's data files were |
| 01:16.27 | xp_prg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.27 | xp_prg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.37 | illogic-al | xp_prg: did you search google for the error you got? |
| 01:16.40 | xp_prg | how can I find these f'ing files and remove them? |
| 01:16.41 | xp_prg | yes I did |
| 01:16.54 | xp_prg | illogic-al: I am have been working on this for like 2 weeks |
| 01:17.23 | illogic-al | xp_prg: ok. what did it tell you about the sequencer problem. |
| 01:17.24 | xp_prg | I just successfully compiled rosegarden 1.6 but keep getting this lame error dealing kde config files |
| 01:17.28 | xp_prg | how do I find them and remove them? |
| 01:17.55 | xp_prg | someone said they had this problem and compiling the latest rosegarden version fixed it |
| 01:17.57 | xp_prg | so that is what I did |
| 01:18.20 | illogic-al | xp_prg: to find the standard KDE directories run: kde-config --prefix |
| 01:18.24 | xp_prg | I am simply trying to run it now and can't seem to find the offending config files it is complaining about from rosegarden4 |
| 01:18.41 | xp_prg | it returned /usr |
| 01:18.56 | xp_prg | I go to /usr but don't see any kde specific rosegarden4 files |
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| 01:19.17 | illogic-al | they are spread all throughout the directories beneath /usr |
| 01:19.18 | derek_ | xp_prg: you probably need to give ./configure the installation path |
| 01:19.22 | xp_prg | I see these directories: bin games include lib local sbin share src X11R6 |
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| 01:19.53 | illogic-al | xp_prg: pastebin the complete error you're getting. |
| 01:19.53 | xp_prg | derek_: it is complaing about seeing rosegarden4 files, I just need to find them and remove them, how hard coudl that be? |
| 01:20.05 | xp_prg | ok one sec |
| 01:21.05 | derek_ | xp_prg: the new installation should overwrite the old ones unless it wrote them somewhere else |
| 01:21.58 | xp_prg | http://pastebin.com/m44ca44c6 |
| 01:23.43 | derek_ | xp_prg: when you ran ./configure, did you add anything else? |
| 01:23.56 | xp_prg | for what it is worth I am creating tutorials that I give away free to the community, just want to add some nice tunes to them |
| 01:24.06 | xp_prg | derek_: I just ran cmake . |
| 01:24.13 | xp_prg | as the INSTALL of rosegarden specifies |
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| 01:25.57 | derek_ | xp_prg: I have to put this.. cmake . -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/kde4 since my kde4 is in /opt/kde4 |
| 01:26.21 | xp_prg | derek_: wow do you compile rosegarden? |
| 01:26.24 | derek_ | xp_prg: try rebuilding with =/usr and see if it fixes the problem |
| 01:26.48 | derek_ | xp_prg: no, other apps. This is common procedure for building stuff. |
| 01:27.17 | xp_prg | derek_: I will heart you if this works ;) |
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| 01:33.43 | illogic-al | xp_prg: did thsat command work? |
| 01:34.12 | xp_prg | it is still recompiling but yes it did configure it to install to that directory |
| 01:34.21 | xp_prg | I will no shortly whether this actually solved all things |
| 01:35.46 | illogic-al | I doubt your sequencer problems will magically disappear, but i hope they do. |
| 01:36.04 | xp_prg | ya if they don't I will kill myself |
| 01:37.17 | illogic-al | well wait a bit before deciding to cut your wrists. |
| 01:38.05 | xp_prg | ok, I am going out with hary kary |
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| 01:49.18 | illogic-al | anyone here have access to IE right now? |
| 01:49.26 | illogic-al | without rebooting. |
| 01:51.00 | xp_prg | same error *sigh* |
| 01:51.59 | derek_ | xp_prg: did you remove rosegarden as per your distro? |
| 01:52.11 | xp_prg | oh wait I forgot to do make install hold on |
| 01:53.15 | xp_prg | its coming up wow! |
| 01:53.23 | derek_ | xp_prg: great |
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| 01:54.29 | xp_prg | thanks for the help one and all I heart you |
| 01:54.31 | xp_prg | Failed to open device |
| 01:54.31 | xp_prg | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 01:54.44 | xp_prg | and the sequencer won't start as before |
| 01:55.15 | derek_ | xp_prg: what distro |
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| 01:55.22 | xp_prg | ubuntustudio |
| 01:57.47 | derek_ | xp_prg: do you have all the appropriate modules loaded? |
| 01:58.13 | xp_prg | I think so, can't think of any I don't have, jackd works, seq24, ardour etc... |
| 01:58.59 | xp_prg | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://forum.ttoine.net/viewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D521&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dubuntustudio%2BALSA%2Blib%2Bpcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open)%2Bunable%2Bto%2Bopen%2Bslave%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-US:official%26sa%3DG |
| 01:59.09 | xp_prg | I thinks this is the answer but it is way complicated for me :( |
| 01:59.36 | derek_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8736.html |
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| 02:01.20 | xp_prg | http://pastebin.com/m5362691a |
| 02:01.41 | xp_prg | sudo: alsaconf: command not found |
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| 02:02.37 | derek_ | xp_prg: do an lsmod and paste the results |
| 02:02.53 | illogic-al | pastebin then results |
| 02:03.13 | xp_prg | http://pastebin.com/m6ec21025 |
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| 02:06.17 | derek_ | modprobe these modules snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 |
| 02:06.43 | derek_ | I don't think your midi is set up quite right |
| 02:07.00 | derek_ | look at that ubuntuforums link I gave a bit earlier |
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| 02:09.35 | xp_prg | snd_emux_synth installed but the others were not known |
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| 02:12.50 | xp_prg | ya it still failed on starting the rosegarden sequencer |
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| 02:13.54 | derek_ | xp_prg: you must be missing some packages it needs. |
| 02:14.11 | xp_prg | that is weird cuz ubuntustudio boasts of this, oh well |
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| 02:17.47 | derek_ | xp_prg: heh. I don't believe marketing :) |
| 02:18.21 | xp_prg | indeed |
| 02:18.33 | xp_prg | brb |
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| 02:46.35 | danweh | How can I reduce the font-size of the echomode 'stars'? I get *big* black dots on KDE 3.5.7/Gentoo. |
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| 03:28.29 | Lisper | Hello |
| 03:29.15 | daSkreech | hi |
| 03:29.40 | Lisper | I am planning to install a free OS in a MacBook (but keeping MacOS). What can I do when it comes to use the touchpad? I mean it has only one button for mouse |
| 03:29.58 | Lisper | is there any way to use it effectively with kde? |
| 03:30.20 | Lisper | I was thinking in using KDE 3.5 |
| 03:30.55 | daSkreech | Good question. never considered that |
| 03:31.10 | daSkreech | Quite a few people here play around with macbooks |
| 03:31.13 | Lisper | but I haven't found anything that let's me use a 1 button mouse in KDE yet |
| 03:31.23 | daSkreech | I think if you hang around a little you will get a response |
| 03:31.47 | Lisper | daSkreech: Yeah, but I prefer buying a macbook instead of a winblows powered notebook (moral related desition) |
| 03:32.16 | Lisper | I couldn't find any notebook that didn't come with winblows |
| 03:32.24 | Lisper | so I am going to buy a MacBook |
| 03:32.44 | Lisper | and will get pissed as hell when I install KDE on it cause it has ony one button |
| 03:32.53 | Lisper | ;) |
| 03:32.58 | Lisper | hmm |
| 03:33.07 | daSkreech | Lisper: again people here have macbooks wait a bit and someone should answer :) |
| 03:33.21 | Lisper | ok :) |
| 03:35.23 | Lisper | I was thinking in ratpoison or something that doesn't really need a mouse to do stuff but I would like to use KDE (cause macbooks are damn powerful and can handle it) |
| 03:37.13 | daSkreech | well you can run KDE with ratpoison if you want |
| 03:37.19 | Lisper | wtf |
| 03:37.23 | Lisper | 0_o |
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| 03:37.35 | Lisper | isn't ratpoison a complete window manager? |
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| 03:38.14 | Lisper | daSkreech: I thought running ratpoison meant not running kde |
| 03:38.22 | Lisper | please explain your statement |
| 03:38.39 | daSkreech | you can replace KDE's Window manager |
| 03:41.19 | qupada | Lisper: there is a kernel option to enable button 2 and 3 emulation for mac mice |
| 03:41.29 | qupada | i don't know how it works |
| 03:41.38 | Lisper | hmm |
| 03:41.43 | Lisper | what kernel |
| 03:41.47 | Lisper | linux? |
| 03:41.50 | Lisper | or bsd? |
| 03:42.09 | qupada | linux |
| 03:42.26 | Lisper | I have to research on that then |
| 03:42.35 | Lisper | thanks for the hint qupada |
| 03:43.55 | qupada | the simpler solution is to just carry a usb or bluetooth mouse |
| 03:45.18 | Lisper | yup, but kind of not a cool option when you want to use it on a small desk (meant to be used on desked chairs) |
| 03:45.27 | Lisper | still a good ide |
| 03:45.28 | Lisper | a |
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| 03:46.32 | qupada | i'm looking at laptops again now. since i have a job in it i finally have both the income and the need to buy one |
| 03:46.39 | qupada | but my laptop of choice is the sony TZ series |
| 03:46.59 | Lisper | qupada: does it come with winblows? |
| 03:47.14 | qupada | Lisper: yeah, but that can be resolved in a matter of minutes |
| 03:47.34 | Lisper | that's the problem. I don't want any fuckin buck i spend on the lappy going to microsoft |
| 03:47.57 | Lisper | it's not a problem of the OS itself. I could get rid of winblows in 20 minutes |
| 03:48.00 | qupada | you can't win either way. if you buy a regular pc laptop you pay for windows. if you buy one from apple you pay for osx (which sucks about 95% as badly as windows) |
| 03:48.28 | Lisper | MinceR: where? |
| 03:48.31 | MinceR | from dell |
| 03:48.52 | Lisper | damn fuckin dell. It didn't allow me to get one without winblows |
| 03:48.56 | MinceR | (from a hungarian reseller, actually) |
| 03:49.02 | Lisper | oh |
| 03:49.04 | MinceR | (it was an n-series) |
| 03:49.17 | Lisper | hungarian reseller, that makes the difference |
| 03:49.37 | Lisper | no hungarian resellers here :'( |
| 03:49.40 | Lisper | lol |
| 03:49.48 | daSkreech | I think that Dell does allow you to with FreeDoS |
| 03:50.13 | Simeon_H | Dell have computers shipped with ubuntu now |
| 03:50.27 | Lisper | daSkreech: I tried but the "customize" section only allowed me to chose the winblows vista version |
| 03:50.43 | Lisper | Simeon_H: I have to see that |
| 03:50.47 | Lisper | :) |
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| 03:52.27 | MinceR | last time i checked there weren't too many models offered with ubuntu though |
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| 03:55.12 | Lisper | qupada: About your last line: I really prefer getting MacOS X |
| 03:55.18 | |Simeon_H| | http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs |
| 03:55.22 | |Simeon_H| | dammit |
| 03:55.26 | Lisper | lol |
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| 03:55.36 | qupada | Lisper: i can't stand osx. it pisses me off nearly as much as windows does |
| 03:55.46 | Lisper | why? |
| 03:55.52 | qupada | osx isn't for people who actually want to get work done with their pc |
| 03:56.01 | Lisper | cause it's a mac |
| 03:56.07 | Lisper | lol |
| 03:56.08 | qupada | it distracts you with annoying shiny animations all the time and stops you actually getting anything done |
| 03:56.45 | Simeon_H | apple had their good days |
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| 03:56.55 | Simeon_H | back with the apple ][ |
| 03:56.57 | Simeon_H | :D |
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| 03:57.25 | Simeon_H | lemonade stand was the shiznit |
| 03:57.28 | Lisper | well, it's still better than Winblows Vista (Virus Infected, Spyware, Troyan and Adware) |
| 03:57.48 | qupada | nowadays they just seem to be catering to the "ooh, shiny" market. the ipod has to be the single biggest tragedy to ever hit the portable audio market |
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| 03:58.09 | qupada | i really wish i could find the person who designed their 'wheel' interface and shoot them for being a moron |
| 03:58.21 | Lisper | qupada: I don't have an iPod but I guess I know what you mean |
| 03:58.36 | Simeon_H | we need a portable media device with Amarok |
| 03:58.43 | Lisper | aw |
| 03:58.55 | Lisper | that would be... |
| 03:58.56 | Lisper | hmm |
| 03:59.29 | Lisper | wont say anything, haven't used amarok for years so I don't know how better it has become |
| 03:59.37 | Simeon_H | ... |
| 03:59.38 | MinceR | i need one with audacious |
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| 03:59.48 | MinceR | with all the input plugins :> |
| 04:00.15 | Simeon_H | most people I know who have used it have called it the best music player out there, commercial, freeware or open source |
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| 04:01.55 | qupada | heh. i'll throw some fuel on this fire. for somewhat the same reason i use irssi+screen for irc, i use mpd. how many of you could hit control-alt-backspace now to kill X and have your music continue playing as if nothing had happened |
| 04:02.46 | Simeon_H | well I use ogg123 and mpg123 when I'm on the bus |
| 04:02.57 | Simeon_H | cos this laptop uses a buttload of power |
| 04:03.52 | Lisper | qupada: I do use screen when I'm in bare console but I don't C-M-[SPC]. I C-M-[F1] ;) |
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| 04:05.28 | Simeon_H | I want a konqui plush |
| 04:05.37 | daSkreech | qupada: I could |
| 04:06.03 | daSkreech | that's cause I'm currently in Windows :) but I could do it easy on my normal KDE setup as well |
| 04:06.13 | Simeon_H | but I don't want to pay for it D: |
| 04:06.25 | daSkreech | What's wrong with the Wheel interface? |
| 04:06.49 | Simeon_H | unless there was some way of getting them into stores full of geeks |
| 04:06.56 | Simeon_H | like comic book stores |
| 04:07.12 | Simeon_H | I don't buy stuff online |
| 04:07.19 | qupada | don't you think it's just a little backwards that they've designed a radial input device to control an interface that still uses vertial scrolling? |
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| 04:17.14 | Lisper | Microshit has made a new winblows version which is called "vista" and stands for *Virus Infected, Spyware, Troyan and Adware* |
| 04:17.29 | Lisper | nice |
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| 04:25.37 | daSkreech | qupada: not that much I think the human mind can take translation |
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| 04:29.44 | qupada | daSkreech: that's not the point. user interfaces are meant to be intuitive, the ipod's interface just isn't |
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| 05:18.35 | root | hi there .. i istalled a image suse for virtual machine. how can i add manually a additional monitor resolution |
| 05:18.37 | root | ___ |
| 05:18.39 | root | ??? |
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| 05:19.19 | afiestas | testiman you need edit the xorg.conf file, i think |
| 05:19.38 | afiestas | and add manually the resolution but i'm not sure because vesa driver have a resolution limitation |
| 05:20.11 | testiman | ok |
| 05:20.43 | testiman | so i open bash and type nano -etc/config/xorg.conf? |
| 05:20.44 | testiman | or what? |
| 05:20.50 | afiestas | yes |
| 05:21.01 | testiman | i try |
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| 06:57.52 | trixon | Hi, how can I get amarok in swedish? My KDE environment is in swedish, but not amarok. |
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| 07:12.32 | Erik^ | Morning! |
| 07:13.07 | Erik^ | Is it possible to modify kio_ftp's behavior to put "*.part" files and rename them? |
| 07:13.30 | Erik^ | This actually doesn't work with FTP servers doing mime type detection |
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| 07:20.01 | Erik^ | got it |
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| 07:26.32 | SteamMachine | Hey |
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| 07:27.29 | SteamMachine | Is there a projected/predicted time for KDE 4? |
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| 07:30.13 | DaSkreech__ | When it's done |
| 07:30.36 | DaSkreech__ | or do a web search for KDE4 Schedule |
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| 07:30.47 | SteamMachine | : ) okay. |
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| 07:35.51 | SteamMachine | hi |
| 07:36.15 | laptor1232 | how Ican install theme xp |
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| 08:31.29 | beermanager423 | Radio Anorak live from FrOSCon with markey, apachelogger, nhnFreespirit, gnux and others! Now at http://radio.getamarok.com:8000/ :) |
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| 08:37.36 | icwiener_ | Do you know what is needed to play that stream? |
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| 08:40.45 | beermanager423 | icwiener_: amarok ^^ |
| 08:41.04 | icwiener_ | beermanager423: Amarok cannot play things on its own. |
| 08:41.18 | beermanager423 | amarok, xine... |
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| 08:41.32 | icwiener_ | I use xine as engine and without some plugins it plays almost nothing as well. |
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| 08:42.20 | beermanager423 | yeah, the distributions don't ship mp3 support with it |
| 08:42.26 | beermanager423 | but the stream should be ogg |
| 08:42.55 | icwiener_ | It would be nice if amarok reported the lib it's missing, but i guessit's not possible otherwise they'd propably do it. :) |
| 08:43.16 | beermanager423 | the libs are there... |
| 08:43.19 | beermanager423 | usually |
| 08:43.20 | icwiener_ | beermanager423: I can play ogg and mp3 lically so I guess it's some streaming plugin or the stream is in a different format. |
| 08:43.29 | icwiener_ | The libs are where? |
| 08:46.02 | beermanager423 | icwiener_: add http://radio.getamarok.com:8000/anorak.ogg.m3u to your playlist |
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| 08:47.27 | icwiener_ | Hmm, I'm not really awake (saying that I do not have to admit my stupidness) :D |
| 08:47.35 | icwiener_ | thx, that worked. :) |
| 08:47.41 | beermanager423 | hehe |
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| 09:21.54 | icwiener_ | beermanager423: Ah, you are that crazy guy from the radio? :D |
| 09:23.19 | beermanager423 | yeah |
| 09:23.34 | icwiener_ | beermanager423: Nice music. |
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| 09:24.30 | beermanager423 | a lot of it is from the free music charts: http://falkmerten.info/free-music-charts/ |
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| 09:25.46 | icwiener_ | thx for the link |
| 09:25.51 | beermanager423 | no problem |
| 09:26.03 | beermanager423 | every day you get a new song and can rate for it |
| 09:26.12 | beermanager423 | -for |
| 09:26.21 | icwiener_ | Yupp, just reading the page. :) |
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| 09:33.46 | Halca | icwiener_: crud? |
| 09:33.53 | Halca | Here's to another lousy millennium? :D |
| 09:34.23 | icwiener_ | :P |
| 09:34.31 | icwiener_ | No pizza though. ;) |
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| 09:34.49 | Halca | :O |
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| 09:53.54 | johnny69 | Good morning all you sexy Kde critters!! Question for you: I'm subscribed to several msn "alerts" for so called, "breaking news...etc". Kopete displays these as they come in in the bottom right corner of the screen. That is great and all but they don't stick around long enough for me to click on them half the time. (the small pop-up window dissapears to quickly for my liking) How can I change this time interval that |
| 09:53.55 | johnny69 | controls how long it stays on the screen? I can find nothing within the Kopete options. Any ideas? (kde 3.5.x) - Suse 10.1 Thank you. |
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| 10:18.04 | dotcomgod | kde worked wonderfully out of the box on my opensuse 10.3 |
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| 10:19.00 | dotcomgod | but i need to antialias bold fonts, is there a way to do it in the gui, or i must manually edit the fonts.conf... |
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| 10:34.07 | heavenquake | dotcomgod: I'm not familiar with opensuse, but you should be able to go to KControl, select Appearance and Themes, choose Font, and then edit the antialiasing-options. |
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| 10:58.38 | afaith | hello there people! any ktorrent users in here ? |
| 10:59.23 | thiago2 | yes |
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| 11:00.43 | afaith | thiago : i've got php installed and i'm using it on my apache server, but if i enable ktorrent webinterface it tells me that he can't find the php executable. if i type "whereis php" in konsole, it tells me this : [afaith@localhost ~]$ whereis php php: /etc/php.d /etc/php.ini /usr/lib/php but there are no php executables. what should i install ? |
| 11:01.16 | thiago2 | the php executable |
| 11:01.29 | thiago2 | use "which", not "whereis" |
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| 11:02.15 | afaith | thiago2: yes... i've tried with which, but nothing :( |
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| 11:10.37 | runlevelten | get php installed properly then. |
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| 11:11.55 | afaith | runlevelten: i'm doing this right now. i'll let you know if it workds |
| 11:12.00 | afaith | works* |
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| 11:12.25 | runlevelten | :) |
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| 11:14.49 | afaith | thanks guys, it works now :) |
| 11:15.01 | afaith | salut cristi :P ! |
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| 11:15.26 | cristi | salut |
| 11:15.44 | afaith | yet another question now, related to ktorrent : how can i edit ktorrent web interface ? |
| 11:15.46 | runlevelten | Glad to hear it, afaith. :) |
| 11:16.39 | afaith | cristi: i see you're romanian :D let's keep talking english, so those from #kde understand. what linux distro are you using ? |
| 11:16.57 | afaith | runlevelten: any ideas on my last question ? |
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| 11:17.17 | cristi | inteleg mai bine in romana |
| 11:17.19 | cristi | :D |
| 11:17.37 | afaith | poate se supără băieţii de aici dacă ne văd vorbind în română |
| 11:17.56 | cristi | id de mess? |
| 11:17.59 | cristi | :p |
| 11:18.27 | afaith | cristi: de ce nu IRC ? |
| 11:19.04 | cristi | cum vrei tu.. da aici sigur nu ne vor lasa sa vb in romana |
| 11:19.09 | pinotree | erm... |
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| 11:19.28 | pinotree | private talks go to private chats/channels, please |
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| 11:22.40 | runlevelten | Well it has themes, so logic would dictate that you see how the existing themes are done :) |
| 11:22.46 | runlevelten | ie locate coldmilk | grep ktorrent |
| 11:23.02 | cristi | afaith? |
| 11:23.38 | cristi | how do i send private messages? |
| 11:23.39 | afaith | cristi: yes |
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| 11:31.31 | cristi | mda |
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| 11:44.19 | alex[slx] | Hi, I'm having a problem with KAudioCreator. When I try to resize it the window expands to the full width of the screen and is locked like that. |
| 11:45.05 | PhilRod | weird. Do any other apps do the same? |
| 11:45.24 | alex[slx] | PhilRod: No. |
| 11:45.42 | cristi | afaith were are you from? |
| 11:45.46 | cristi | :D |
| 11:46.05 | afaith | cristi: nu îţi dai seama că sunt din românia :D ? |
| 11:46.19 | cristi | din ce oras? |
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| 11:47.13 | icwiener_ | cristi: The easiest way of private talking (if you are not registered) is to open a channel by joining it, e.g. #cristiandafaithprivate <- Join :) |
| 11:47.39 | cristi | haiu acolo:D |
| 11:48.23 | afaith | thanks for the tip icwiener_ ! |
| 11:48.48 | icwiener_ | no problem |
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| 11:49.00 | alex[slx] | afaith: /q 26 |
| 11:49.06 | alex[slx] | wtf? |
| 11:49.14 | alex[slx] | soory about that. |
| 11:49.27 | afaith | alex[slx]: no problem. don't mind |
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| 11:55.38 | alex[slx] | Ok, I've just done a complete update of KDE and kio_audio is still screwing things up. |
| 11:55.58 | alex[slx] | I can't access my audio cd's until I manually kill it. |
| 11:56.17 | alex[slx] | What is going on? |
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| 11:56.44 | runlevelten | define "access". |
| 11:56.59 | Jejem | yup |
| 11:57.13 | alex[slx] | runlevelten: What do you mean? |
| 11:57.45 | runlevelten | I mean: What do you mean by "can't access" it? |
| 11:58.17 | alex[slx] | I can't view the contents, I can't rip the music etc. |
| 11:58.56 | alex[slx] | cdparanoia -vsQ says Device is busy. |
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| 11:59.24 | alex[slx] | and that all stops once I kill all kio_audio processes |
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| 11:59.53 | alex[slx] | kio_audiocd rather |
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| 12:01.14 | alex[slx] | runlevelten: Also, the disc doesn't show up under /media/ |
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| 12:05.17 | thiago2 | audio cds never show under /media |
| 12:05.25 | thiago2 | they can't be mounted |
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| 12:14.32 | logixoul | wow neato |
| 12:14.44 | logixoul | I installed gtk-qt-engine's "fix firefox's scrollbar" thing |
| 12:14.53 | logixoul | and now firefox doesn't have scrollbars :/ |
| 12:14.59 | PhilRod | sweet |
| 12:15.02 | runlevelten | You fixed it good. |
| 12:15.09 | runlevelten | Real good. |
| 12:15.20 | logixoul | ok so ho do I reverse it? |
| 12:15.27 | logixoul | how |
| 12:16.23 | logixoul | bah. /me reinstalls ff |
| 12:17.14 | icwiener_ | I guess it would be in home dir or did you give the "fix" script root permissions? |
| 12:18.10 | logixoul | icwiener_: it's in the home dir yeah. So I use the Purge option that shreds config as well |
| 12:18.33 | icwiener_ | Or just move the .mozilla dir and restart firefox... |
| 12:18.45 | icwiener_ | move == rename |
| 12:18.58 | logixoul | woah... something's wrong with me today |
| 12:19.00 | logixoul | thanks |
| 12:19.15 | icwiener_ | logixoul: purge doesn't remove the configs in home dir anyway. |
| 12:19.19 | logixoul | ah |
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| 12:19.53 | icwiener_ | Do not compile a kernel today. ;) |
| 12:20.03 | logixoul | haha. |
| 12:21.10 | logixoul | ok that fixed it \o/ |
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| 13:11.09 | DawnLight | does anyone use quanta? what does quanta use for ftp transfer? can i configure ftp options? |
| 13:11.28 | logixoul | oh hi there DawnLight |
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| 13:11.39 | logixoul | Quanta uses KDE's KIOslave technology |
| 13:11.39 | DawnLight | hi logixoul |
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| 13:12.02 | DawnLight | oh i've heard of that. makes sense |
| 13:12.19 | logixoul | you can configure that in kcontrol->Internet & Network |
| 13:13.51 | DawnLight | wow thanks! |
| 13:13.58 | logixoul | no problemo ;) |
| 13:14.00 | DawnLight | perhaps it will work now... |
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| 13:14.59 | DawnLight | i've disabled passive and it seems to work |
| 13:15.12 | DawnLight | amazing |
| 13:15.13 | logixoul | what was happening before? |
| 13:15.58 | logixoul | but yeah KDE is amazing :) and just you wait 2 months for KDE 4.0 :) |
| 13:16.01 | DawnLight | lagging/transferring slowly/not connecting/stalling/giving me a "too many connections from this ip" error |
| 13:16.08 | logixoul | ah |
| 13:16.23 | logixoul | looks like I'll be disabling passive as well :) |
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| 13:16.47 | DawnLight | ahahaha |
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| 13:17.10 | DawnLight | i've also shortened the timeouts dramatically |
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| 13:20.27 | Techrev | r there ppl here? |
| 13:20.32 | DawnLight | there are some |
| 13:20.39 | logixoul | no thar arnt aney |
| 13:20.48 | Techrev | I'm pulling my hair out on an issue, dunno if anyone can help, or if I'm in the right place.. |
| 13:20.51 | DawnLight | but we are not people |
| 13:21.04 | DawnLight | ooh sounds nice |
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| 13:22.09 | Techrev | Just, I"m running kde (it seems to happen with any wm), with 3 monitors, 2 on a 7600gs.. The 2nd monitor is 1920x1200, and tho x seems to handle the rez fine, the wm is cutting off.. |
| 13:22.34 | DawnLight | i only have two :-( |
| 13:22.44 | DawnLight | but i'm thankful for each one! |
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| 13:23.11 | Techrev | If i lower the rez real small it seems to work, but raise it and it doesn't.. Its weird.. I tried updating the nvidia drivers, no luck.. |
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| 13:23.23 | DawnLight | and mine is a 7600gt... |
| 13:23.40 | Techrev | Dunno if there is a rez setting for the WM, separate from the xorg.conf file? |
| 13:24.11 | DawnLight | i'd first take care of the first two monitors |
| 13:24.27 | DawnLight | you want my xorg.conf? |
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| 13:24.36 | Techrev | What resolutions do you run in? |
| 13:24.58 | DawnLight | i don't remember... hold on |
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| 13:27.06 | Techrev | kk |
| 13:27.18 | Techrev | And, y am I banned from #sabayon? |
| 13:27.36 | benJIman | Techrev: Maybe because you're IRCing as root. |
| 13:27.42 | benJIman | Many channels ban people IRCing as root. |
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| 13:28.08 | Techrev | Ahh.. I forgot, lol |
| 13:28.21 | nik7 | hiya |
| 13:28.32 | Techrev | I'll relog.. Brb |
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| 13:30.11 | DawnLight | Techrev: http://pastebin.ca/671208 |
| 13:31.40 | Techrev | Yeah, my probs are with 1920x1200 rez it seems.. Or at least the higher widescreen rezes.. If I drop to 1600x1200 it works fine, but of course its a crap rez for my monitor.. |
| 13:32.10 | Techrev | Didn't happen in Ubuntu.. But, I had other headaches there.. |
| 13:33.02 | DawnLight | debian here. love it. wish packages were more up to date... |
| 13:33.13 | Techrev | Yeah, I was thinking about debian.. |
| 13:33.57 | logixoul | Anyone know of a windeco similar to "Laptop" but more modern? |
| 13:34.55 | Techrev | Just this seems like such a silly thing, should be fixable, but its driving me nutso.. |
| 13:35.26 | DawnLight | which is the problematic one? |
| 13:35.51 | Med | Techrev: do you have a screenshot? |
| 13:36.17 | Techrev | ack, how do I do a screenshot in x? I forget, lol |
| 13:36.27 | logixoul | press the Print Screen button ;) |
| 13:36.39 | logixoul | key* |
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| 13:38.08 | Techrev | kk, just working on copying it to my web server... |
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| 13:39.36 | Techrev | Well, I don't have anything set up, I'll up it to photobucket or something.. |
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| 13:40.32 | DawnLight | not that horrible service |
| 13:42.35 | Techrev | Whats a good place? I usually use my web server, but I don't have my drives mapped atm.. I guess I could mount the drive, I think I remember what I called the share.. |
| 13:43.31 | Med | http://www.quicksharing.com/ ? |
| 13:44.30 | PhilRod | Techrev: imageshack.us seems popular too |
| 13:44.40 | DawnLight | if you find a good image hosting service let me know |
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| 13:46.15 | Techrev | .kicks-ass.net:8080/screenshot/snapshot1.png |
| 13:46.18 | Techrev | woops |
| 13:46.22 | Mrrrr | imgbay isnt too bad |
| 13:46.31 | Techrev | http://techrev.kicks-ass.net:8080/screenshot/snapshot1.png |
| 13:47.12 | kirun | you mean bayimg ? |
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| 13:47.52 | Med | Techrev: i don't see the problem |
| 13:48.11 | Techrev | see how the edge of the panel cuts off b4 the end of the screen? |
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| 13:48.44 | Med | Techrev: what is the y-size of the screen on the right? Larger or smaller? |
| 13:48.51 | Techrev | Well, if I load beryl, or compiz it cuts of there completely.. |
| 13:49.05 | Techrev | Not sure what you mean Med? |
| 13:49.06 | thiago2 | we don't support beryl or compiz |
| 13:49.17 | Techrev | Yeah, but it happens in kde too.. |
| 13:49.38 | Med | Techrev: does it work with kwin? |
| 13:49.54 | Techrev | Dunno |
| 13:50.02 | Techrev | What is kwin? |
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| 13:50.07 | Med | Techrev: the kde window manager |
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| 13:50.47 | Techrev | kk, Yeah, its happening in kde, thats the screenshot.. |
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| 13:51.19 | faires | Hello |
| 13:51.26 | logixoul | Hello |
| 13:51.33 | Techrev | Hello |
| 13:51.38 | faires | Is there any k-program that converts ogg to mp3 |
| 13:51.45 | logixoul | soundKonverter |
| 13:51.52 | faires | Oh, great |
| 13:52.02 | faires | logixoul: thanks |
| 13:52.04 | thiago2 | ogg123 | lame |
| 13:52.07 | thiago2 | best possible |
| 13:52.12 | logixoul | faires: but you DON'T wanna do that unless your digital player only supports MP3 |
| 13:52.25 | logixoul | faires: np |
| 13:52.27 | thiago2 | but I have no idea why one would want to convert a perfectly good Ogg Vorbis to an inferior format. |
| 13:52.34 | faires | logixoul: heheh, I know, but that's exactly my case... :) |
| 13:52.42 | logixoul | aha ;) |
| 13:52.45 | thiago2 | not to mention that converting between lossy formats is never recommended. |
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| 13:53.21 | faires | thiago2: but what can you do if your gf's player just plays mp3's? |
| 13:53.23 | faires | :) |
| 13:53.45 | thiago2 | buy her a better player |
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| 13:53.54 | faires | thiago2: hahahaha lol |
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| 13:53.58 | thiago2 | really |
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| 13:54.28 | thiago2 | Ogg Vorbis at quality 0 at 44.1 kHz (result is 45 kbit/s) sounds much better than any MP3 setting I could find. |
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| 13:55.07 | logixoul | for me Ogg q5+ and MP3 128kbps+ sound indistinguishable from Audio CD quality... |
| 13:55.12 | logixoul | I guess I'm deaf of something |
| 13:55.18 | thiago2 | besides, if you need MP3, the application you're looking for is KAudioCreator or k3b |
| 13:55.22 | thiago2 | you want to rip again |
| 13:55.35 | thiago2 | logixoul: no, it's normal. Though I hope that's not 128 kbit/s CBR. |
| 13:55.43 | logixoul | no, VBR |
| 13:55.45 | logixoul | :) |
| 13:55.57 | thiago2 | then it's ok |
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| 13:57.33 | Med | i hardly hear the difference between a tape and a CD. |
| 13:57.45 | logixoul | haha seriously? |
| 13:57.49 | Med | yes |
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| 13:58.55 | logixoul | I sometimes play my tapes for the vintage factor... but they definitely don't sound as clear :) |
| 13:58.56 | Med | i don't have a good hearing. As a side effect it makes me hard to understand american speaking |
| 13:59.13 | Med | (though i understand english people perfectly) |
| 13:59.57 | thiago2 | how about scottish people? :-) |
| 14:00.19 | pusling | scottish people are just weird. |
| 14:00.20 | Med | well. The scottish accent is funny :) |
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| 14:00.30 | logixoul | I only have problems with scots |
| 14:00.50 | logixoul | even cockney is easier to grok |
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| 14:04.33 | smileaf | Only time I can tell the difference between quality is 64bit+mp3pro my brother makes and 128bit mp3/ogg and even then its only because my ears will start to hurt a bit. |
| 14:04.58 | thiago2 | which one sounds worse? |
| 14:05.10 | smileaf | 64bit by far... |
| 14:05.25 | thiago2 | now try Vorbis quality 0 or 1 |
| 14:05.32 | smileaf | I only do vorbis now. |
| 14:05.38 | thiago2 | it should be 64 kbit/s or less and you should hear very little difference |
| 14:05.55 | smileaf | kde default quality |
| 14:06.21 | thiago2 | I encode for my Ogg player at quality 0.5 |
| 14:06.37 | smileaf | tho I think I'm tone deaf. you can play 2 notes that are similar and I can't tell that there even is a difference. |
| 14:06.39 | thiago2 | I'm going to hear it only a few times anyways, then delete |
| 14:07.11 | thiago2 | can you hear the difference between 1 and 4 in a telephone? |
| 14:07.35 | smileaf | dunno.. |
| 14:07.41 | icwiener__ | On 4 the wheel spins longer. :) |
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| 14:08.03 | smileaf | thiago2: nope |
| 14:08.16 | thiago2 | icwiener__: lol |
| 14:09.30 | logixoul | icwiener__: lol |
| 14:10.36 | smileaf | I'd love it if they made a wheel phone that was cordless ;) |
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| 14:11.45 | icwiener__ | http://www.superdeluxe.ch/images/346.jpg Close. |
| 14:11.48 | smileaf | I can tell when a TV is on, but not showing any station/static like if you change it to TV/VCR or something. |
| 14:13.05 | DawnLight | there's a high tone sound |
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| 14:13.16 | icwiener__ | About 13000Hz. |
| 14:13.38 | smileaf | its loud too.. |
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| 14:16.26 | icwiener__ | There is a capacitor vibrating at 15625Hz. But I think most of the 30 years old wouldn't here it anymore. :) |
| 14:17.13 | icwiener__ | But your ears are crap anyway. ;) |
| 14:17.18 | smileaf | :( |
| 14:17.26 | icwiener__ | sorry :) |
| 14:18.04 | Med | even a dog hears better ;) |
| 14:18.17 | smileaf | Med: duh? =p |
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| 14:19.49 | DawnLight | high high high |
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| 14:30.31 | logixoul | Does anyone know of a windeco like Laptop but more modern? |
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| 14:34.49 | contradiction-pi | hi, i have a really bizarre problem with kde on kubuntu 7.04. whenever i go to the System Settings->Monitor & Display and change the resolution, it says that the settings have been changed, and if i'd like to keep them, but it hasn't actually changed the resolution. so, now i'm stuck at 640x480 |
| 14:34.58 | contradiction-pi | how do i actually change it? |
| 14:35.42 | pinotree | contradiction-pi: please ask in #kubuntu, that's a module developed by them |
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| 14:36.02 | contradiction-pi | ok |
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| 15:06.24 | AssociateX | hello people |
| 15:08.02 | AssociateX | what is the very outside of a window called, it's the part that lets you move the window. Mine seems to be borked right now. I have kde up and running although I had to start fluxbox to be able to move my windows. |
| 15:08.44 | JohnFlux | kwin is the windcow manager |
| 15:08.48 | AssociateX | it's not just borked, it's missing |
| 15:08.52 | AssociateX | thanks |
| 15:09.13 | AssociateX | that was it, thanks man |
| 15:09.20 | AssociateX | yippy |
| 15:10.01 | AssociateX | what is the part that puts icons on the desktop? I have kdesktop running already |
| 15:11.01 | thiago2 | kdesktop |
| 15:11.49 | AssociateX | me@localhost ~ $ kdesktop is already running! |
| 15:12.37 | thiago2 | first of all, naming your machine "localhost" is not a good idea |
| 15:12.56 | thiago2 | second, kdesktop is probably configured not to show anything |
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| 15:15.20 | AssociateX | thiago2, first, gentoo, how do I change it from localhost |
| 15:15.49 | AssociateX | second, I'm doing updates and stopped in the middle somewhere but it should be better soon |
| 15:16.24 | smileaf | AssociateX: /etc/conf.d/hostname |
| 15:16.29 | AssociateX | This is the first time I've been on line in about 6 months so it's been a while for updates. I have about 350 or so |
| 15:16.30 | thiago2 | then wait |
| 15:16.38 | AssociateX | thanks |
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| 15:17.15 | Ind[y] | Is there a Logo programming/education tool for GNOME (similar to KTurtle)? |
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| 15:17.31 | thiago2 | Ind[y]: wrong channel. |
| 15:17.44 | Ind[y] | thiago: I asked, because KTurtle is for KDE. |
| 15:17.50 | thiago2 | right |
| 15:17.51 | Ind[y] | So, you guys here might know. |
| 15:17.53 | thiago2 | then use KTurtle. |
| 15:18.08 | Ind[y] | I won't. I use GNOME. |
| 15:18.14 | thiago2 | too bad |
| 15:18.15 | smileaf | Ind[y]: thats assuming we use gnome |
| 15:18.20 | thiago2 | you're asking the wrong channel. No one here uses GNOME. |
| 15:18.24 | smileaf | or have used gnome |
| 15:18.28 | thiago2 | we don't know what GNOME has or has not. |
| 15:18.31 | Ind[y] | I see. |
| 15:18.32 | AssociateX | me@athlon ~ $ :) |
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| 15:18.39 | thiago2 | you'll have to ask the GNOME guys and you probably have to describe the application. |
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| 15:25.20 | Halca | thiago2: Brown, and doesn't work? |
| 15:25.21 | Halca | :D |
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| 15:26.35 | thiago2 | sorry? |
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| 15:54.41 | sl00 | IS there a home or blog for Kwin where I can read about the progress and stuff? |
| 15:55.09 | logixoul | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/280 |
| 15:55.15 | logixoul | that's as close as it gets |
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| 15:55.25 | logixoul | last update april :) |
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| 15:55.42 | sl00 | : |
| 15:55.44 | sl00 | :( |
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| 15:56.00 | thiago2 | read about updates: the commit list |
| 15:56.01 | sl00 | I was hoping for something more recent. |
| 15:56.30 | sl00 | thiago2: Where? |
| 15:57.03 | thiago2 | the high-traffic kde-commits list, or commit-filter or the commit-digest posted on the dot |
| 15:57.45 | sl00 | thiago2: Ok |
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| 15:59.27 | sl00 | logixoul: Are the effects working out well in the beta? |
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| 15:59.38 | logixoul | haven't tried the beta |
| 15:59.46 | sl00 | Ok |
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| 16:08.11 | AssociateX | kwin does not start for some reason at kde start up time |
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| 16:09.09 | AssociateX | I'm sure that has something to do with just getting rid of beryl |
| 16:09.34 | logixoul | AssociateX: try reversing the steps you followed to get Beryl running in the first place |
| 16:09.50 | logixoul | e.g. inserting autostart shellscripts, etc |
| 16:10.41 | AssociateX | logixoul, right, It's been six months since I've messed with it but I'm searching for that now |
| 16:10.46 | AssociateX | ... |
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| 16:11.08 | AssociateX | ah, gentoo wiki is where I got the install howto. |
| 16:11.09 | logixoul | AssociateX: probably something under ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 16:11.12 | logixoul | aha |
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| 16:11.31 | AssociateX | funny how you can remember stuff when you have to |
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| 16:15.52 | unl0cker | guys, where I can change my preferred browser? |
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| 16:16.38 | unl0cker | nvm |
| 16:16.40 | unl0cker | found it |
| 16:16.42 | thiago2 | KDE Control Center, KDE Components, Component Selector |
| 16:16.50 | unl0cker | thx ;) |
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| 16:17.25 | unl0cker | awesome |
| 16:17.32 | AssociateX | thiago2, you use gentoo, correct? |
| 16:17.39 | thiago2 | incorrect |
| 16:17.45 | AssociateX | dang |
| 16:17.46 | unl0cker | I do you gentoo |
| 16:17.48 | unl0cker | why |
| 16:17.55 | thiago2 | I'd never be able to stand the waiting |
| 16:17.56 | AssociateX | hold on |
| 16:18.35 | AssociateX | unl0cker, in /etc/env.d/99kde-env what is KDEWM= set to? |
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| 16:19.47 | unl0cker | to whatever is your window manager default |
| 16:20.02 | unl0cker | what do you use as window manager? kwin? beryl? compiz? |
| 16:20.25 | AssociateX | it "was" beryl but now it's going back to kwin |
| 16:20.44 | unl0cker | kwin then |
| 16:20.46 | AssociateX | but that's all I needed to know. Thanks a ton |
| 16:20.53 | unl0cker | np |
| 16:21.54 | unl0cker | remember to kill beryl-manager BEFORE closing your session. Cuz if is set to save last session will continue to start beryl-manager at start |
| 16:22.09 | unl0cker | and once beryl-manager starts it will replace kwin |
| 16:22.29 | AssociateX | I had gotten rid of beryl and couldn't figure out why my windows were borderless making me have to start kwin manually |
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| 16:22.42 | unl0cker | ;) |
| 16:23.12 | unl0cker | what tuto did u used to install beryl? gentoo-wiki's? |
| 16:23.13 | AssociateX | yesterday was my first day back online in six months. |
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| 16:23.39 | Med | AssociateX: just out of jail ? ;) |
| 16:23.44 | unl0cker | hehe |
| 16:23.46 | AssociateX | I'm a bit rusty, forgetful |
| 16:23.59 | AssociateX | haha, no worse, I bought a house |
| 16:24.14 | Med | AssociateX: sounds scary |
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| 16:35.36 | Surma | Moin. Ich moechte gerne 2 Xsessions starten, auf :0 und :1 mit KDE. Bei :0 geht das mit startx wunderbar, bei :1 nicht mehr. Er sagt, ich haette keine Rechte |
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| 16:42.31 | logixoul | pinotree: hmm the topic says "please" too many times... makes it longish, so people don't read it. Maybe edit that out? just an idea. |
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| 16:45.15 | thiago2 | logixoul: you didn't say "please" :-) |
| 16:45.21 | pinotree | lol! |
| 16:45.28 | logixoul | haha :) |
| 16:45.45 | Sho_ | the topic is somewhat evil anyway |
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| 16:46.04 | Sho_ | It says "Please state your distro with your question" and "Don't ask distro-related questions" |
| 16:46.06 | Sho_ | a devil's circle ;) |
| 16:46.23 | pinotree | don't thunk so |
| 16:46.26 | pinotree | *think |
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| 16:46.40 | Sho_ | well only if pino is around and grumpy |
| 16:46.41 | Sho_ | ;) |
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| 16:46.44 | x_link | http://www.blocket.se/vi/13156311.htm?ca=23_10_s |
| 16:46.44 | x_link | =) |
| 16:47.07 | logixoul | omg... |
| 16:47.13 | pinotree | Sho_: you can't direct people to the right channel if you don't know what is their distro |
| 16:47.51 | logixoul | pinotree: It isn't obvious the chan for Fedora is #fedora? :) |
| 16:47.52 | pinotree | Sho_: and knowing the distro will make you know in advance if they are "victims" of some distro fsck'age |
| 16:48.04 | logixoul | true |
| 16:48.13 | Sho_ | pinotree: I was poking fun, you know .. ;) |
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| 16:49.16 | pinotree | Sho_: i was poking you for real :p |
| 16:49.26 | *** topic/#kde by pinotree -> KDE 3.5.7 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! |
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| 16:49.44 | logixoul | thankies |
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| 16:51.03 | logixoul | that's also good |
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| 17:01.14 | logixoul | Sho_: Konvi lets me set the topic even though I'm not an op. Can't it be made to know my status in advance? By asking ChanServ, or something else? |
| 17:01.35 | *** topic/#kde by logixoul -> |
| 17:01.35 | *** topic/#kde by ChanServ -> KDE 3.5.7 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! |
| 17:01.47 | logixoul | (sorry) |
| 17:01.59 | Sho_ | logixoul: The channel doesn't have +t set ("Only ops can change the topic") |
| 17:02.20 | logixoul | ah, then why did ChanServ set it back? |
| 17:02.23 | pinotree | but it has the chanserv guard |
| 17:02.30 | Sho_ | logixoul: I.e. the reason Konvi lets you edit the topic is because you actually can as far as the IRC server is concerned |
| 17:02.48 | Sho_ | logixoul: If the channel were +t and you weren't an operator, the widget would be disabled |
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| 17:03.10 | logixoul | This ChanServ thing seems like a kludge then... ? |
| 17:03.19 | Sho_ | logixoul: And no, asking ChanServ is not an option because services implementations are currently beyond the scope of the IRC standards and vary widely from network to network |
| 17:03.29 | logixoul | ah. |
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| 17:30.01 | EvilGuru | What is the recommended way to share a KOrganizer calendar between computers/applications (namely evolution)? I am ideally looking for a lightweight server that is compatible |
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| 17:30.39 | logixoul | I don't know but you can ask in #kontact |
| 17:30.40 | wolsni | EvilGuru: presumably evolution supports webdav, so you could use apache |
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| 17:31.10 | wolsni | i've used that to share calendars between korganizer and thunderbird+lightning before |
| 17:31.17 | EvilGuru | wolsni: That is quite good, as the server I use already has apache with webdav set-up |
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| 17:35.21 | kikka | German Speakers around here? |
| 17:35.37 | logixoul | in #kde.de |
| 17:36.11 | kikka | thankx |
| 17:36.15 | kikka | -x,+s |
| 17:38.20 | logixoul | np |
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| 17:47.30 | taime1 | i just got this error: /tmp is out of disk space, kde cannot start.... what is casuing this? its a FRESH install |
| 17:47.58 | logixoul | taime1: ask in your distro's channel please |
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| 17:48.11 | taime1 | k, wasnt sure if it was a kde issue |
| 17:48.12 | taime1 | thanks |
| 17:48.22 | logixoul | np |
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| 18:02.41 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Is there any other khtml / webkit browser out there for kde besides konq? |
| 18:03.06 | Sho_ | Rinky_Rj_07: Not yet |
| 18:03.31 | Rinky_Rj_07 | qt based ? |
| 18:03.50 | Sho_ | Not that I know of |
| 18:03.55 | wolsni | on linux, opera uses Qt afaik |
| 18:04.08 | Sho_ | wolsni: Only a little bit |
| 18:04.29 | logixoul | Rinky_Rj_07: there is an old simple useless KHTML3 browser called kafilah in SVN |
| 18:05.03 | logixoul | (a bit faster than konq) |
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| 18:06.16 | Mrrrr | Opera uses enogh Qt to be considered Qt imho |
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| 18:06.33 | logixoul | Rinky_Rj_07: also there's a proof of concept Qt WebKit browser for Linux, useless as well |
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| 18:07.19 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Sigh... |
| 18:07.31 | Rinky_Rj_07 | I'm just sick of using Konq. |
| 18:07.40 | Rinky_Rj_07 | It's insane. |
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| 18:07.52 | logixoul | so use something unrelated to khtml |
| 18:08.11 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Yes, but is there anything which ties back into kde ? |
| 18:08.13 | Sho_ | Rinky_Rj_07, there's some thought about doing a new browser atm |
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| 18:08.31 | Mrrrr | Opera, srsly :P |
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| 18:08.42 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Hmmm. |
| 18:08.43 | wolsni | ties back into KDE how? |
| 18:08.48 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Didn't think of opera |
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| 18:08.57 | Sho_ | Opera isn't really an option - it's closed, and it doesn't do KDE integration |
| 18:09.19 | logixoul | but it's darn fast. so I use it :D |
| 18:09.21 | Mrrrr | why does being closed make a difference? |
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| 18:09.24 | apokryphos | Rinky_Rj_07: what's insane about it? |
| 18:09.30 | apokryphos | Mrrrr: because KDE is GPL? |
| 18:09.31 | Mrrrr | its a damn good piece of software |
| 18:09.33 | Mrrrr | and its free |
| 18:09.35 | Mrrrr | that doesnt matter |
| 18:09.39 | Rinky_Rj_07 | the behavior |
| 18:09.52 | Sho_ | If there's a single class of application that should be open source in today's world, it's the heart of the communication infrastructure: the web browser |
| 18:10.00 | apokryphos | Mrrrr: we're talking about 11:08:13 < Sho_> Rinky_Rj_07, there's some thought about doing a new browser atm |
| 18:10.07 | Mrrrr | Ahh |
| 18:10.08 | Mrrrr | true :) |
| 18:10.35 | apokryphos | Rinky_Rj_07: like? |
| 18:11.43 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Have you ever used something, and kept on using it, and could never really get past the idea that it makes you uncomfortable ? |
| 18:13.01 | Rinky_Rj_07 | How can I make it so -all- local browsing goes to dolphin and Konq only works the web ? |
| 18:13.19 | logixoul | That's possible. Impressions are built of the thousands of tiny things you never think about. Like a flicker when opening a tab. Or a search field with a padding 2px too big. |
| 18:13.27 | logixoul | Rinky_Rj_07: see the dolphin handbook |
| 18:13.42 | Rinky_Rj_07 | It is possible then? Will look. |
| 18:13.47 | logixoul | yep |
| 18:13.50 | Sho_ | Rinky_Rj_07: If you want to set Dolphin as the default file browser, change the file association for inode/directory to Dolphin in KControl |
| 18:14.48 | thiago2 | Rinky_Rj_07: that's how KDE 4 is supposed to be by default. |
| 18:15.16 | Rinky_Rj_07 | If I remove Konqueror from that list what would happen ? |
| 18:15.37 | logixoul | Rinky_Rj_07: nothing |
| 18:15.47 | wolsni | then it wouldn't show up in the right-click menu for directories |
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| 18:17.08 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Is it possible I could make it so that if I enter a local address in Konq, it will start Dolphin? |
| 18:17.11 | logixoul | how do I disable thumbnails for text files in konq? |
| 18:17.18 | logixoul | Rinky_Rj_07: nope |
| 18:17.41 | logixoul | Rinky_Rj_07: hmm wait, I think yes |
| 18:17.46 | wolsni | logixoul: the same way as for any file type, on the View menu |
| 18:17.59 | logixoul | Rinky_Rj_07: if you make a custom protocol handler for file:// |
| 18:18.22 | logixoul | wolsni: thx |
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| 18:18.42 | Rinky_Rj_07 | will entering /home/ryan default to the file:// handler ? |
| 18:18.53 | logixoul | I think so |
| 18:19.00 | Rinky_Rj_07 | or will I need to use file://direcory/path every time ? |
| 18:19.10 | logixoul | no, no need for that |
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| 18:19.21 | logixoul | but test it |
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| 18:20.22 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Ah. Well... kcontrol doesn't want to keep dolphin in my inode/directory prefs |
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| 18:21.42 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Ah, k i got it. |
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| 18:22.07 | phoenixz | I just installed kde4 on kubuntu, using the adept manager.. its all correctly installed but when I try to re-login, I don't see kde4 as an option.. how can I start KDE4? |
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| 18:23.41 | Rinky_Rj_07 | awesome. i added dolphin to inode/directory and inode/system dir. it automatically associated everything in media/* with dolphin |
| 18:23.51 | logixoul | cool |
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| 18:38.33 | MrParanoia | i recently upgraded to mandriva 2007.1 && KDE 3.5.7 - after adding 150+ packages and removing 10+ packages the borders around windows are missing and eventually the keyboard becomes unresponsive |
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| 18:40.50 | Sho_ | sounds like Mandriva is really working out for you ;) |
| 18:41.00 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Check your styles. |
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| 18:41.49 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Change your styles/window decs to something generic. e.g. kde classic or something |
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| 18:44.55 | Ardarandir | hey, can i get some konqueror-support here? |
| 18:45.01 | Ardarandir | i got a problem with shortuts |
| 18:45.03 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Just ask. |
| 18:45.05 | Ardarandir | *shortuts |
| 18:45.27 | Rinky_Rj_07 | what shortcuts |
| 18:45.30 | Ardarandir | i want "F8" to open a terminal-emulation |
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| 18:45.40 | Ardarandir | but its always re-assigned to "move to..." |
| 18:45.48 | Ardarandir | no matter what i try |
| 18:46.27 | Rinky_Rj_07 | re-assigned immediately? after logout/login ? |
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| 18:46.31 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 18:46.39 | Ardarandir | no, after barely a minute |
| 18:46.43 | Ardarandir | not immediately |
| 18:46.49 | elvirolo | is it possible to have a set of tabs as a homepage in konqueror? |
| 18:46.50 | Ardarandir | some 20 seconds, i guess |
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| 18:47.14 | Rinky_Rj_07 | elvirolo: yes |
| 18:47.42 | elvirolo | Rinky_Rj_07: how do i do that ? |
| 18:47.42 | Rinky_Rj_07 | open the tabs, set the urls, and save your web browsing profile |
| 18:47.51 | elvirolo | ok thanks |
| 18:48.58 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: no, that doesnt help - or does it? |
| 18:49.37 | Rinky_Rj_07 | well, i'm looking, but i can't actually find that action ini my konq shortcuts menu |
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| 18:50.20 | Rinky_Rj_07 | have you tried reassigning Move To ... to another key combo first ? |
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| 18:50.54 | Ardarandir | i meant the hint you gave elvirolo wont work. |
| 18:51.02 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: and yes, i have tried that |
| 18:51.10 | Rinky_Rj_07 | why wouldn't it? |
| 18:51.11 | Ardarandir | can i get support of some developers somewhere? |
| 18:51.36 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: i think she was asking for a homepage, not for a startpage |
| 18:51.51 | Rinky_Rj_07 | and they are different how ? |
| 18:53.02 | Rinky_Rj_07 | do your shortcuts reset while the program is open/running ? |
| 18:53.12 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: yes, thats really odd |
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| 18:53.35 | Rinky_Rj_07 | do other key assignments reset as well? |
| 18:54.12 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: no... only the "Move to" |
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| 18:54.23 | Ardarandir | (i think she was speaking of the page which opens when you press this button - and not which pages to open when konqi starts. but doesnt matter for now :-) ) |
| 18:54.33 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Only the move to shortcut... |
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| 18:54.39 | Rinky_Rj_07 | oh that. |
| 18:54.39 | Ardarandir | exactly |
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| 18:54.59 | Rinky_Rj_07 | no that's one of my gripes about konq, you press home and it opens ~ |
| 18:55.03 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: i thought there might be some global shortcut breaking it? |
| 18:55.16 | logixoul | Rinky_Rj_07: there's work to resolve that in KDE4 btw |
| 18:55.23 | Ardarandir | hehe. i got about:konqueror there :) |
| 18:55.24 | Rinky_Rj_07 | no, it should alert you if there is a conflict with a global shortcut |
| 18:55.44 | Ardarandir | logixoul: is it known what triggers that error? |
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| 18:56.07 | Rinky_Rj_07 | ? what error |
| 18:56.13 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: it does, and i tell him to break the global one, he does --- but som 20 secs later move to... got the key again |
| 18:56.22 | logixoul | Ardarandir: it's not an error, it's just a badly decided behavior, which was reconsidered for KDE 4 |
| 18:56.32 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Ardarandir: ah. |
| 18:56.33 | Ardarandir | logixoul: this key assignment-thingy? |
| 18:56.39 | logixoul | aa |
| 18:56.45 | logixoul | no, the home button thing |
| 18:56.49 | Ardarandir | ah, ok |
| 18:56.50 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Ardarandir: no, he's talkin about home button |
| 18:56.56 | Rinky_Rj_07 | key assignment is some kind of bug |
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| 18:57.41 | Rinky_Rj_07 | You tried removing the global shortcut first w/ kcontrol? |
| 18:58.08 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: i did |
| 18:58.16 | Rinky_Rj_07 | What's it (F8) assigned to by default? |
| 18:58.17 | Ardarandir | F8 isnt assigned in kcontrol anymore |
| 18:58.24 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: Move too |
| 18:58.25 | Ardarandir | -o |
| 18:58.28 | Rinky_Rj_07 | oh yeah |
| 18:58.32 | Rinky_Rj_07 | ...duh... |
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| 18:58.38 | Ardarandir | *g* |
| 18:58.43 | Ardarandir | got an idea? |
| 18:59.41 | Ardarandir | is there more things i should check? |
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| 18:59.59 | Ardarandir | maybe root's settings break that of user? |
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| 19:00.58 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Shouldn't be possible. |
| 19:01.28 | Rinky_Rj_07 | And I can't find any related bug at b.k.o |
| 19:01.34 | Rinky_Rj_07 | what distro |
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| 19:03.20 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: Debian Sidux |
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| 19:04.33 | rajdip | hi.. |
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| 19:05.37 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Ardarandir: i'm outta ideas/questions-sorry |
| 19:06.05 | Ardarandir | uaaargh |
| 19:06.10 | Ardarandir | its always the same |
| 19:06.17 | Ardarandir | only 3-4 sec's it is |
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| 19:06.20 | Ardarandir | -.- |
| 19:06.37 | Ardarandir | where can i probably get some konqueror-dev-support? |
| 19:06.52 | Rinky_Rj_07 | could try creating a new user, and see if you can duplicate that |
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| 19:07.10 | Rinky_Rj_07 | if you can't duplicate, then there's something wrong w/ your profile |
| 19:08.01 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: i think it is! |
| 19:08.06 | Ardarandir | never ad that prob before... |
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| 19:08.24 | Ardarandir | other keys dont behave like that... thats strange |
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| 19:08.53 | Ardarandir | anyway, thank you :) |
| 19:09.58 | Rinky_Rj_07 | if you can't duplicate it in another profile, come back and you can get some help transferring over settings/stuff for your other apps to a new profile |
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| 19:11.04 | Ardarandir | oh no... i wont give a my profile coz of that :) |
| 19:11.04 | Ardarandir | its so weird |
| 19:11.05 | Ardarandir | only this one key re-assignung over and over again |
| 19:11.05 | Ardarandir | its not even kicking this other key out |
| 19:11.25 | Rinky_Rj_07 | and you said you can't assign it to another key combo? it drops that as well? |
| 19:11.28 | Ardarandir | just igoring that there could be a conflict, that i ould happen not to like him assigning to that action... |
| 19:11.30 | Ardarandir | :-) |
| 19:11.44 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: i can, but then it drops it, yes |
| 19:11.59 | Ardarandir | this one single action is always reassigning the F8-Key |
| 19:12.06 | Ardarandir | no matter what i try |
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| 19:12.09 | Ardarandir | for hours now :-D |
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| 19:13.04 | Rinky_Rj_07 | What happens if yo assign f8 to somethin else |
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| 19:16.25 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: it temporarily break the move to, but not for long |
| 19:16.39 | Ardarandir | believe me, uch things ive been tyring for the last 3 hours :-D |
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| 19:18.08 | Rinky_Rj_07 | you didn't say whether f8 gets dropped on other shortcuts (i checked my backlog) |
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| 19:18.27 | Rinky_Rj_07 | hmm.. so |
| 19:18.34 | Rinky_Rj_07 | your f8 key is cursed |
| 19:18.41 | Ardarandir | it is :) |
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| 19:19.15 | Ardarandir | arent there any other config-programs which determine the behavious of shortcuts? |
| 19:19.25 | Ardarandir | where are the text-configs? |
| 19:19.28 | runlevelten | Does anyone know if there's a setting to allow "drilling down" in the kmenu? |
| 19:19.34 | Ardarandir | id ike to know that, thats why i asked for developers |
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| 19:19.42 | Rinky_Rj_07 | runlevelten: drilling down? |
| 19:20.10 | runlevelten | where items open if you have a drag held over them, so you can continue the drag and drop op |
| 19:20.14 | runlevelten | like konqy does :) |
| 19:20.47 | Rinky_Rj_07 | like dragging a doc onto the kwrite menu entry you mean? |
| 19:21.26 | Rinky_Rj_07 | yeah i see what ya mean, kmenu doesn't popup when you drag something over it |
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| 19:22.57 | runlevelten | I suppose not - you'd need a menu when you dropped anyway - "Add to menu, Open with <droptarget>, ----, Cancel" |
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| 19:24.56 | runlevelten | Ah, kickoff does.... |
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| 19:25.02 | runlevelten | but kickoff... meh. |
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| 19:27.17 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Ardarandir: ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc |
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| 19:28.34 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Ardarandir: ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals [Global Shortcuts] |
| 19:28.59 | Ardarandir | ill have a look |
| 19:28.59 | Ardarandir | thank! |
| 19:29.01 | Ardarandir | +s |
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| 19:29.21 | Rinky_Rj_07 | cd ~/.kde/share && grep -RI shortcut |
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| 19:32.33 | Condor | is there anybody from Poland? |
| 19:32.57 | Rinky_Rj_07 | not i |
| 19:33.09 | Condor | copy that |
| 19:34.58 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: it isnt in that files |
| 19:35.04 | Ardarandir | there only a few shortcuts |
| 19:35.06 | Ardarandir | hum |
| 19:35.15 | rsano | knetworkmanager doesn't keep my wireless connection settings. I have to manually reconnect every time I log into the desktop. Any ideas? |
| 19:35.16 | Ardarandir | there must be more konqueror-files around... |
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| 19:35.31 | Ardarandir | rsano: you tried just to wait a minute? |
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| 19:35.41 | Rinky_Rj_07 | grep -RI terminal |
| 19:36.08 | rsano | i've waited a little...do you think that's all i have to do? |
| 19:36.24 | Ardarandir | rsano: i just takes some time to connect and reconnect and all this |
| 19:36.35 | rsano | i'll try that |
| 19:36.37 | Ardarandir | but it should store your settings, at least |
| 19:36.38 | rsano | thank you |
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| 19:36.49 | rsano | right....that's what i thought |
| 19:37.01 | Ardarandir | rsano: its sometimes a bit trouble but this programme |
| 19:37.14 | Ardarandir | i had a workaround when i used it: |
| 19:37.25 | rsano | workaround? |
| 19:37.28 | Ardarandir | deactivate all networks |
| 19:37.30 | Ardarandir | close it |
| 19:37.33 | Ardarandir | open it again |
| 19:37.38 | Ardarandir | activate the networks again |
| 19:37.48 | Ardarandir | then wait a minute |
| 19:37.52 | Ardarandir | and hell be just fine |
| 19:37.54 | Ardarandir | :) |
| 19:37.58 | Rinky_Rj_07 | that sounds like my wireless |
| 19:38.15 | Rinky_Rj_07 | i have to restart my net.wlan0 5 times to get it to use my preferred |
| 19:38.18 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: yes, knetworkmanager configures wirelesses :) |
| 19:38.28 | Ardarandir | lol |
| 19:38.32 | Rinky_Rj_07 | kwifimanager doesn't work well |
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| 19:38.41 | Ardarandir | yes, knetworkmanager is great! |
| 19:38.45 | Ardarandir | for laptops |
| 19:38.52 | rsano | is there anything out there that could replace knetworkmanager....that works better? |
| 19:38.56 | Rinky_Rj_07 | that's actually what i'm in the process of installin |
| 19:39.13 | Rinky_Rj_07 | rsano: haven't found one yet |
| 19:39.25 | Ardarandir | knetworkmanager is really great. there no better out there, i think. but you could try kwifimanager |
| 19:39.32 | Ardarandir | that the both i used |
| 19:39.40 | Rinky_Rj_07 | kwifiman isn't that great |
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| 19:40.24 | rsano | so knetman is the best? |
| 19:40.44 | Rinky_Rj_07 | i would say yes to thatat the moment |
| 19:40.45 | Ardarandir | i think so, yes |
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| 19:41.05 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: with a little fixing it will stay the best for kde, i think |
| 19:41.34 | Ardarandir | especially for roaming |
| 19:41.34 | Ardarandir | like with laptops |
| 19:41.34 | rsano | thanks for your help......i'm outta here |
| 19:41.35 | Ardarandir | bye |
| 19:41.36 | Rinky_Rj_07 | hmmm. |
| 19:41.50 | Ardarandir | its not always working immediately, but always after some minute |
| 19:41.59 | Rinky_Rj_07 | why does knetworkmanager want to pull in gtk+, cairo ? |
| 19:42.02 | Ardarandir | eben with VPN at my university and all this |
| 19:42.03 | Rinky_Rj_07 | libsexy ? ? ? |
| 19:42.07 | Rinky_Rj_07 | wtf. |
| 19:42.13 | Ardarandir | it shouldnt to! |
| 19:42.15 | Ardarandir | in apt? |
| 19:42.17 | logixoul | there's now libsexier as well :p |
| 19:42.20 | Rinky_Rj_07 | portage |
| 19:42.29 | Ardarandir | ah ok |
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| 19:43.31 | Ardarandir | Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert: |
| 19:43.31 | Ardarandir | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.35 | Ardarandir | APT doesnt do it |
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| 19:44.29 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Sigh... |
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| 19:45.42 | Ardarandir | it definitely doestn need any gtk-stuff... |
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| 19:46.03 | Rinky_Rj_07 | the ebuild for networkmanager has option to -gnome |
| 19:46.06 | tso | funny, even if i write smb:/username@host/ i still dont get a password dialog. but if i aim for the home dir i know should be available, i get it... |
| 19:46.15 | Rinky_Rj_07 | but some fo the libs it deps on don't have that opt |
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| 19:46.53 | Rinky_Rj_07 | what should be the initial action for that url? enter pass and list shares available? |
| 19:47.27 | unclemike | ? for a kde desktop...im useing PCLinuxOS 2007....anyone know is mandriva 2007.1 is anybetter then 2007.0 was |
| 19:47.49 | Rinky_Rj_07 | ask in #mandriva ? |
| 19:47.54 | Lord_Drachenblut | is there a way to set alt tab switching so it goes across all desktops? |
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| 19:49.02 | Rinky_Rj_07 | window behavior -> travers win on all desks i think |
| 19:49.33 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: i checked every file named "konqueror" on this machine |
| 19:49.35 | tso | something like that Rinky_Rj_07 |
| 19:49.38 | Ardarandir | theres nothin ^^ |
| 19:50.14 | Rinky_Rj_07 | use lsof, monitor kde apps, and see what files change when you edit that setting |
| 19:50.26 | Ardarandir | great idea |
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| 19:51.04 | Rinky_Rj_07 | emerge networkmanager --oneshot --nodeps |
| 19:51.06 | tso | hmm, i guess the behaviour would change if i upped the security to be on a computer level, but going by swat, thats not really supposed to be used for workgroup setups... |
| 19:51.07 | Rinky_Rj_07 | oops |
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| 19:53.34 | Riis | what sort of image managing apps can you guys recommend for KDE? |
| 19:53.42 | Rinky_Rj_07 | digikam |
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| 19:55.42 | Ardarandir | [2007-08-26 21:50] <Rinky_Rj_07> use lsof, monitor kde apps, and see what files change when you edit that setting <-- can u think of arguments for lsof to do that? |
| 19:57.15 | Rinky_Rj_07 | lsof -c k |
| 19:57.29 | Rinky_Rj_07 | list files opened by processes starting with k |
| 19:57.35 | Rinky_Rj_07 | http://www.akadia.com/services/lsof_intro.html |
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| 19:58.03 | Yachi | wheres the internet connection settings? |
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| 19:58.53 | tso | hrmf, no change in behaviour that i can see. |
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| 19:59.16 | qwertymn | hi , how can i change the name of the window in konsole? |
| 19:59.19 | elvirolo | hi again |
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| 19:59.37 | tso | but then i have seen the log say that konqueror tries to log in as anonimous or something like that, but when that fails it automatically drops to guest... |
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| 20:00.34 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: now i did "lsof -a -c k -p 4343 | grep konq" where 4343 is the process if running konq. how to see whether a file changed? |
| 20:00.36 | elvirolo | when i try to download a rar file in konqueror, i can't save it on the disk... on the contrary, kate opens up and tries to read it |
| 20:00.54 | logixoul_ | elvirolo: it's the site's fault - they're sending it with the wrong mimetype |
| 20:01.08 | logixoul_ | elvirolo: to work around it, drag the link onto the kget arrow |
| 20:01.19 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Ardarandir: keep in mind, that konq may be passing off the config change to another app. |
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| 20:01.31 | elvirolo | logixoul_: thank you |
| 20:01.32 | logixoul_ | No problem :) always glad to help! |
| 20:01.49 | qwertymn | anyone? |
| 20:02.28 | Rinky_Rj_07 | sigh... why do admins mess with mime-types ? |
| 20:02.28 | logixoul_ | qwertymn: if you don't repeat the damn question, people like me who just entered won't know what you want. |
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| 20:02.45 | qwertymn | hi , how can i change the name of the window in konsole? |
| 20:02.51 | Yachi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.57 | logixoul_ | Rinky_Rj_07: braindead defaults, such as some in IIS, aren't helping |
| 20:03.06 | logixoul_ | Yachi: kcontrol->internet |
| 20:03.11 | Lord_Drachenblut | Rinky_Rj_07: thanks and to expand on the idea it was under the focus option |
| 20:03.19 | Rinky_Rj_07 | ah... forgot about that gem. i don't run servers with iis |
| 20:03.26 | Rinky_Rj_07 | Lord_Drachenblut: yur welcome |
| 20:04.05 | Yachi | i cant see a 'kcontrol' |
| 20:04.15 | logixoul_ | Yachi: kmenu->KDE Control Center |
| 20:04.35 | logixoul_ | or if you use Kubuntu, kmenu -> System Settings |
| 20:05.28 | qwertymn | uuhh, guess no-one know then ;( |
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| 20:06.05 | logixoul_ | qwertymn: rightclick current tab -> rename session |
| 20:06.39 | qwertymn | logixoul, but that only changes the word "Shell" |
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| 20:06.55 | Ardarandir | Rinky_Rj_07: i am giving it up. must be a non-configurable problem :) |
| 20:07.19 | logixoul_ | qwertymn: try wmctrl and/or wmiface then |
| 20:07.27 | Yachi | nope, i need to setup static ip and stuff |
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| 20:08.44 | logixoul_ | qwertymn: or, launch it as `konsole --title "Desired title"` |
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| 20:09.19 | logixoul_ | Yachi: ask your distributors then |
| 20:09.37 | Yachi | who? |
| 20:09.48 | logixoul_ | the guys who make/use your distribution |
| 20:09.55 | qwertymn | logixoul, i'd like to remove my name from the window, but that doesn't work |
| 20:10.14 | logixoul_ | qwertymn: "your name"? |
| 20:10.18 | Yachi | oh |
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| 20:10.34 | Lord_Drachenblut | Yachi: the group that put out your linux distro ie, fedora, gentoo so on and so forth |
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| 20:11.02 | qwertymn | yeah, it now says: myname@computername: ~ title Konsole |
| 20:11.05 | logixoul | qwertymn: google changing bash prompt |
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| 20:11.26 | qwertymn | my bash promt is already changed |
| 20:11.38 | logixoul | oh. |
| 20:12.22 | logixoul | qwertymn: you're outta luck until KDE4 -- where there's progress in this department -- then. |
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| 20:13.52 | logixoul | qwertymn: or, see if there's a relevant script in kde-apps.org - I seem to remember something to that effect |
| 20:13.59 | logixoul | in the KDE Improvements section |
| 20:14.14 | qwertymn | logixoul, i'll have a look, thanks for the help |
| 20:14.14 | logixoul | No problem :) always glad to help! |
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| 20:16.40 | logixoul | Is there a way to use HSL in the KDE color chooser rather than HSV? |
| 20:18.15 | qwertymn | ah logixoul , found it, it's in /etc/bashrc |
| 20:18.39 | Lord_Drachenblut | anyone know if the kde4 compositing stuff will be software only or it will be able to be hardware rendered as well? |
| 20:18.40 | logixoul | what's there? |
| 20:18.45 | logixoul | qwertymn: what's there? |
| 20:18.58 | logixoul | Lord_Drachenblut: hardware of course |
| 20:18.58 | RinkyDinks_RJ | bak |
| 20:19.14 | logixoul | Lord_Drachenblut: not supporting hardware acceleration is insanity |
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| 20:19.48 | Lord_Drachenblut | logixoul: so it can do both then i take it. or only hardware? |
| 20:19.48 | logixoul | both |
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| 20:19.49 | qwertymn | logixoul, where i can change it |
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| 20:20.40 | logixoul | funny, I don't see in mine |
| 20:20.41 | tafsen | Why doesn't KNetworkManager startup when all the others problem that was running last time starts up? |
| 20:20.56 | logixoul | "all the others problem"? |
| 20:21.15 | RinkyDinks_RJ | how do you know it didn't attempt to startup and fail? |
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| 20:29.09 | Ringwraith` | apt remove ubuntu |
| 20:29.32 | logixoul | hmm? |
| 20:30.02 | Ringwraith` | no not today thanks |
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| 20:31.02 | Lisper | Hi |
| 20:31.15 | logixoul | hi Lisper |
| 20:31.23 | Lisper | hi logixoul |
| 20:31.31 | Lisper | big question |
| 20:31.44 | Ringwraith` | hi do you talk with a lisp |
| 20:31.46 | Lisper | how do I use kde with a 1 button mouse (in a macbook) |
| 20:31.55 | Lisper | Ringwraith`: ? |
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| 20:32.17 | RinkyDinks_RJ | lol EmulateAllButtons ? |
| 20:32.20 | logixoul | Ringwraith`: wtf do you want anyway |
| 20:32.40 | Lisper | RinkyDinks_RJ: please explain your statement |
| 20:33.00 | Ringwraith` | a cheeseburger |
| 20:33.03 | logixoul | Lisper: he's kidding -- there's something called EmulateThirdButton :) |
| 20:33.15 | RinkyDinks_RJ | but it requires a 2button mouse |
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| 20:33.21 | Lisper | i know, just that someone told me to emulate 2 button |
| 20:33.27 | Lisper | that's why I asked |
| 20:33.32 | logixoul | Lisper: I never had to use kde with one button. |
| 20:33.46 | RinkyDinks_RJ | i guess you'd have to do that with like a key modifier? |
| 20:33.48 | Lisper | neither I but what if I intall it in a macbook? |
| 20:33.49 | logixoul | Lisper: I suggest you edit your toolbars to make nearly all actions available from there |
| 20:34.03 | logixoul | Lisper: and/or your shortcuts |
| 20:34.09 | Lisper | lol, that's messy |
| 20:34.14 | logixoul | true |
| 20:34.18 | Lisper | hmm |
| 20:34.24 | logixoul | try to use drag&drop a lot, too |
| 20:34.30 | logixoul | and learn the default shortcuts |
| 20:34.31 | Lisper | yeah |
| 20:34.32 | RinkyDinks_RJ | No, I'm sure there's a way to pass a ctrl key modifer with the mouse |
| 20:34.41 | RinkyDinks_RJ | look up xorg 1 button mouse |
| 20:34.48 | logixoul | possible, yea |
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| 20:35.32 | Ringwraith` | how can i use kde without a mouse using the neural synaptic interface? |
| 20:35.55 | RinkyDinks_RJ | you would configure a synaptic device in xorg.conf.... |
| 20:36.05 | logixoul | haha |
| 20:36.23 | RinkyDinks_RJ | try installing libsynaptics, synaptics-tools, and ksynaptics |
| 20:36.24 | Lisper | Is there any package to bind actions to temporized clicks? I mean ─.─── to make the menu appear (─ is a click and ─── holding the button for like a second) |
| 20:36.40 | Ringwraith` | duh |
| 20:36.42 | Ringwraith` | but do i need to tell it to emulate 10 billion buttons? |
| 20:37.06 | Lisper | wtf is up to this guy? |
| 20:37.09 | logixoul | Ringwraith`: shut up, please? |
| 20:37.12 | timrs | if I were an admin or w/e id ban him for the day.. |
| 20:37.14 | Lisper | Ringwraith`: quit saying random shit |
| 20:37.18 | Lisper | please |
| 20:37.44 | RinkyDinks_RJ | Ringwraith`: wtf ? how the hell can a touchpad emulate 10 billion buttons |
| 20:38.42 | Lisper | RinkyDinks_RJ: I bet Ringwraith` is a kiddie using his dad's box and saying random shit in this channel cause he wants to chat like his father |
| 20:38.48 | Lisper | or something |
| 20:39.24 | logixoul | being in #kde-devel as well seems to support that version :p |
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| 20:40.22 | Lisper | This is a serious issue. Let's say I get a MacBook and I install a linux based OS on it. How the fuck am I supposed to use KDE with the 1 button touchpad? |
| 20:40.33 | RinkyDinks_RJ | perfect |
| 20:40.35 | RinkyDinks_RJ | [15:31] [Whois] Ringwraith` is i=neo@gateway/tor/x-df524f003c903246 (Unknown) |
| 20:40.42 | RinkyDinks_RJ | some f*ckr on tor |
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| 20:40.52 | Lisper | ? |
| 20:40.58 | Lisper | wtf is tor? |
| 20:41.08 | logixoul | an anonymizing network |
| 20:41.48 | logixoul | Lisper: ask in #xorg about emulating second button via mod key |
| 20:42.15 | Lisper | Someone would packet the fuck out of Ringwraith` if he weren't using that anonymizing net for being a moron |
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| 20:42.38 | PhilRod | calm down please. I want to go make dinner, not ban people |
| 20:42.46 | Lisper | lol |
| 20:42.47 | logixoul | lol |
| 20:42.59 | RinkyDinks_RJ | lmeh |
| 20:43.02 | kirun | Make lunch, not war! |
| 20:43.04 | RinkyDinks_RJ | just fell outta my chair |
| 20:43.06 | logixoul | lol |
| 20:46.04 | RinkyDinks_RJ | whoa. knetworkmanager is awesome. i need something like this for windows |
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| 20:46.37 | PutHuhn_ | c++ |
| 20:46.42 | PutHuhn_ | sorry |
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| 20:50.52 | RinkyDinks_RJ | is there a way to make a firefox style text search in konq ? |
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| 20:51.48 | logixoul | RinkyDinks_RJ: press / |
| 20:51.54 | logixoul | RinkyDinks_RJ: it's not as fancy though |
| 20:52.14 | RinkyDinks_RJ | can that bind to ctrl+f |
| 20:52.20 | logixoul | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93439 |
| 20:52.24 | logixoul | yup |
| 20:52.25 | Sho_ | logixoul: Michael Lentner wrote a nice hack porting the Konversation-style searchbar to Konq once |
| 20:52.38 | Sho_ | (Domino dude) |
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| 20:55.11 | Artimus | I'm having troubles with Amarok. When it updates the collection, it locks up kwin. Kicker is no longer redrawn until I kill the amarok process, making for a rather windows like experience of an explorer crash |
| 20:55.28 | logixoul | Sho_: cool! but I can't find it anywhere |
| 20:55.37 | cbr | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kdegirls-control?content=65053 |
| 20:55.41 | Sho_ | logixoul: I don't know if he published it ... he sent it to me once per email |
| 20:55.42 | RinkyDinks_RJ | I like that. windows like experience |
| 20:55.44 | cbr | a truly magnificent app |
| 20:55.52 | RinkyDinks_RJ | lol |
| 20:55.55 | RinkyDinks_RJ | i saw that earlier |
| 20:56.14 | RinkyDinks_RJ | A title lost in translation |
| 20:56.31 | Lisper | blah, i need a longer cord to use amarok with this box |
| 20:56.44 | RinkyDinks_RJ | ? |
| 20:56.49 | Lisper | audio amplifier is 2 mt far |
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| 20:57.03 | Lisper | the other box is a winbox |
| 20:57.13 | Lisper | would like to try amarok |
| 20:57.21 | Sho_ | I liked the "Where's the KDE app to get men to take out the rubbish?" comment by BorgQueen |
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| 20:57.31 | tafsen | How can I make a program start automatic when I start KDE? |
| 20:57.52 | Sho_ | tafsen: Open Go -> Autostart in Konqueror, right-click -> New -> Link to Application |
| 20:58.58 | tafsen | Sho_: Go? |
| 20:59.11 | logixoul | tafsen: you're on Kubuntu aren't you... |
| 20:59.20 | logixoul | tafsen: open ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 20:59.22 | RinkyDinks_RJ | lol |
| 20:59.37 | Sho_ | tafsen: The "Go" menu on the menubar |
| 20:59.48 | tafsen | logixoul: Arch |
| 20:59.57 | Sho_ | tafsen: Unless you use a distro like Kubuntu that thought it would be a cool idea to make user support on #kde a nightmare and just remove it |
| 20:59.57 | logixoul | oh. what Sho_ said then. |
| 21:00.09 | Lisper | tafsen: go to ~/.kde/Autostart or Go -> autostart |
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| 21:01.10 | tafsen | I don't have autostart on Go |
| 21:01.27 | logixoul | weird |
| 21:02.30 | Ringwraith` | then go tosettings |
| 21:02.42 | Ringwraith` | config toolbars |
| 21:02.45 | Ringwraith` | and see if you see it there |
| 21:02.57 | RinkyDinks_RJ | wtf |
| 21:03.12 | logixoul | pinotree: law enforcement required :) |
| 21:03.18 | RinkyDinks_RJ | Why the hell would autostart be in config toolbars ? |
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| 21:03.38 | RinkyDinks_RJ | Man, I'd like to beat his ass. |
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| 21:03.47 | Lisper | bye |
| 21:03.49 | Lisper | lol |
| 21:03.50 | RinkyDinks_RJ | bye. |
| 21:03.57 | RinkyDinks_RJ | thank you |
| 21:04.16 | Lisper | (Y) @ pinotree |
| 21:04.41 | pinotree | Lisper: kopete emoticons generally don't work on irc ;) |
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| 21:05.03 | *** kick/#kde [Ringwraith`!n=pino@kde/pino] by pinotree (no no, take a break for now) |
| 21:05.12 | Lisper | pinotree: I use irssi but (Y) is an emoticon almost everyone knows |
| 21:05.14 | Lisper | ;) |
| 21:05.19 | pinotree | i know |
| 21:05.19 | logixoul | wait, you are saying (Y) isn't a thong? |
| 21:05.26 | RinkyDinks_RJ | it should be |
| 21:05.32 | logixoul | ah |
| 21:05.35 | Lisper | hmm |
| 21:05.38 | Lisper | wat |
| 21:05.40 | Lisper | wait |
| 21:05.45 | Lisper | need to check |
| 21:05.53 | Lisper | maybe it's not what I thought |
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| 21:07.06 | tafsen | logixoul: do I put systemlink to the program I want to autostart in ~/.kde/Autostart ? |
| 21:07.13 | logixoul | yes |
| 21:07.17 | RinkyDinks_RJ | wow, a computer can get really really slow running from usb |
| 21:07.25 | tafsen | how do I make an systemlink? |
| 21:07.25 | logixoul | tafsen: Sho_ described it best |
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| 21:08.12 | pinotree | logixoul: oh joy, he's started in #kde-devel |
| 21:08.12 | Sho_ | tafsen: I repeat: Right-click into the folder, click "New" in the context menu and then "Link to Application" |
| 21:08.18 | Sho_ | pinotree: I think that guy has been kicked/banned before |
| 21:08.23 | RinkyDinks_RJ | lol |
| 21:08.40 | RinkyDinks_RJ | persistent |
| 21:08.46 | tafsen | Sho_: Sorry, I ment how do I make a systemlink with the terminal? |
| 21:09.06 | Sho_ | tafsen: open man:/ln in Konqueror and read |
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| 21:09.18 | Lisper | logixoul: (Y) is a thumb |
| 21:09.26 | logixoul | right |
| 21:09.50 | RinkyDinks_RJ | ? Why is Y a thumb? |
| 21:09.54 | pinotree | Sho_: or just "#ln", quicker ;) |
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| 21:10.01 | pinotree | RinkyDinks_RJ: Y = yes |
| 21:10.11 | RinkyDinks_RJ | ah, thumbs up |
| 21:10.13 | RinkyDinks_RJ | ok |
| 21:10.19 | Sho_ | pinotree: Thanks, didn't know that |
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| 21:10.35 | Lisper | (Y) == thumb up. Why? ask microshit fuckers |
| 21:10.42 | pinotree | Sho_: likewise, ##foo is for the info: pages |
| 21:11.05 | Ardarandir | someone here who would like to have a systray-button for his/her konqueror? :-) |
| 21:11.32 | Sho_ | Ardarandir: You can use ksystraycmd for that |
| 21:11.42 | Ardarandir | Sho_: thats what i found out right now :-) |
| 21:11.45 | Ardarandir | *g* |
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| 21:11.49 | Ardarandir | even with a nice icon... |
| 21:11.58 | Ardarandir | and it integrated so nice... |
| 21:12.11 | Ardarandir | apt-get remove alltray kdocker dockblabla |
| 21:12.14 | Ardarandir | :-) |
| 21:12.19 | Sho_ | Ardarandir: In fact the only thing that the "Place in system tray checkbox" on the advanced options in the properties dialog of a link does in KDE is prepend ksystraycmd to the Exec= line in the .desktop file |
| 21:12.32 | Ardarandir | ah, ok |
| 21:12.53 | Ardarandir | but its stupid that its not possible to give more arguments for that command! |
| 21:13.06 | Ardarandir | maybe you could help out with another problem, too? |
| 21:13.34 | Ardarandir | i got a shortcut which isnt doing what i told him |
| 21:13.40 | Sho_ | Ardarandir: I can certainly try .. |
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| 21:13.59 | Ardarandir | "Move to..." alway regains control over the F8 shortcut |
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| 21:14.34 | Ardarandir | although i want F8 to open a konsole-emu |
| 21:15.01 | Ardarandir | i can do what i want - after some seconds its this move to again |
| 21:15.11 | Sho_ | Ardarandir: Ah, I caught that earlier ... I tried myself and can't reproduce your problem, so I can't really tell what happens for you+ |
| 21:15.35 | Ardarandir | just try to bind the F8shortcut to konsole-emu in konqueror... |
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| 21:16.06 | Sho_ | Ardarandir: I did |
| 21:16.24 | Ardarandir | then tell me if it works for you, or if there'll be such a little dropdown in the upper left corner where you have to choose again whether you want moving or opening the konsoel |
| 21:16.25 | Sho_ | Ardarandir: And it worked, and it still works, i.e. didn't change over time |
| 21:16.31 | Ardarandir | and i didnt reproduce? |
| 21:16.36 | Ardarandir | weird |
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| 21:16.51 | Ardarandir | Sho_: what system are you running? |
| 21:17.24 | RinkyDinks_RJ | Ardarandir: did you try to reproduce that under a new user's profile? |
| 21:17.33 | Sho_ | Ardarandir: Maybe try explicitly setting the "Move files.." shortcut to "None" and clicking Apply before changing the Show Terminal one |
| 21:17.36 | Ardarandir | RinkyDinks_RJ: thats too much for such a problem |
| 21:17.39 | Sho_ | Ardarandir: Gentoo Linux, KDE 3.5.7 |
| 21:17.54 | Ardarandir | i can just use another key, thats no prob at all... but my false pride and ego :))) |
| 21:18.15 | Ardarandir | Sho_: i got the same version on a debian sidux system |
| 21:18.22 | Ardarandir | nevermind |
| 21:18.27 | Ardarandir | ill get used to another key then |
| 21:18.35 | Sho_ | Ardarandir: Try my suggestion too :) |
| 21:18.36 | RinkyDinks_RJ | Same, gentoo & 3-5-7 |
| 21:18.50 | Ardarandir | Sho_: i did several times :) |
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| 21:19.16 | Ardarandir | Sho_: even assigning it to another key... |
| 21:19.21 | Ardarandir | nothing helped |
| 21:19.41 | Ardarandir | woah |
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| 21:19.50 | Ardarandir | why i "to help" a regular noun? |
| 21:19.57 | Ardarandir | iiek verb |
| 21:20.01 | Ardarandir | should be irregular! |
| 21:20.18 | RinkyDinks_RJ | ? |
| 21:20.19 | thiago2 | what paradigm would it follow? |
| 21:20.27 | Ardarandir | ok, that doesnt fit in here ^^ but i should be "i help, i hulp, i hulp" |
| 21:20.43 | Ardarandir | according to other germanian languages |
| 21:20.54 | Ardarandir | no matter ^^ |
| 21:20.56 | RinkyDinks_RJ | from kde tech to english grammar? |
| 21:21.14 | Ardarandir | it just stuck in my brain out of the nothing |
| 21:21.24 | runlevelten | "Germanic" in English. |
| 21:21.28 | thiago2 | interesting... "helpan" was a strong verb |
| 21:21.29 | Ardarandir | i study german linguistics an mediavistics |
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| 21:21.42 | Ardarandir | thiago2: yep |
| 21:21.45 | RinkyDinks_RJ | mediavistics ? |
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| 21:21.59 | Ardarandir | RinkyDinks_RJ: um... medieval languages and history :) |
| 21:22.11 | Ardarandir | do i misspell? |
| 21:22.37 | Ardarandir | thiago2: how do you know that? |
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| 21:23.23 | thiago2 | I've just searched the Modern English to Old English dictionary |
| 21:23.30 | thiago2 | it said "sv/t4 helpan" |
| 21:23.43 | Ardarandir | where can i find such a dictionary? |
| 21:23.49 | Ardarandir | or is it a book? |
| 21:24.09 | thiago2 | http://home.comcast.net/~modean52/ |
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| 21:25.14 | thiago2 | hmm... the helpan entry says sv/t3 |
| 21:25.30 | thiago2 | helpan1 [] sv/t3 3rd pres hilpþ past healp/hulpon ptp geholpen w.g. or d. to help, support, succor; benefit, do good to; cure, amend |
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| 21:27.00 | ^tiNee^ | hi my menu editor doesnt work is there a way to reinstall it or use another program? |
| 21:27.17 | Ardarandir | geholpen <-- lol |
| 21:27.24 | Ardarandir | thats still the same in some languages |
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| 21:27.36 | RinkyDinks_RJ | what is geholpen ? |
| 21:27.47 | Ardarandir | particip |
| 21:27.50 | Ardarandir | past |
| 21:27.59 | thiago2 | ^tiNee^: the menu editor is where you edit the menu, not install programs. |
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| 21:28.05 | Ardarandir | i dont know correct terms in english :) only in german |
| 21:28.18 | ^tiNee^ | thiago2: i know mine doesnt work |
| 21:28.19 | stylefighter | hallo leute |
| 21:28.31 | Ardarandir | thiago2: you misunderstood, i think |
| 21:28.43 | Ardarandir | ^tiNee^: try dpkg-reconfigure kmenu |
| 21:28.53 | ^tiNee^ | im using gento |
| 21:29.00 | ^tiNee^ | will that still work? |
| 21:29.04 | RinkyDinks_RJ | no |
| 21:29.05 | Ardarandir | i dont think so :) |
| 21:29.08 | Ardarandir | *g* |
| 21:29.34 | Sho_ | The Gentoo package for the menu editor is called "kmenuedit" |
| 21:29.55 | RinkyDinks_RJ | ^tiNee^: what do ya mean it doesn't work ? |
| 21:30.08 | ^tiNee^ | RinkyDinks_RJ: i click it and nothing happens |
| 21:30.14 | Ardarandir | Sho_: thats same in debian, i was mistaken :) |
| 21:30.19 | RinkyDinks_RJ | run kmenuedit from the comand line |
| 21:30.20 | ^tiNee^ | Sho_: so just emerge kmenuedit again? |
| 21:30.29 | RinkyDinks_RJ | first, see what error you get |
| 21:30.40 | Sho_ | ^tiNee^: Well, that might not necessarily fix your problem - it will just reinstall the app |
| 21:30.54 | Sho_ | ^tiNee^: On Linux, very few problems are solved by reinstalling apps ;) |
| 21:30.59 | ^tiNee^ | RinkyDinks_RJ: Could not run the specified command |
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| 21:31.13 | RinkyDinks_RJ | are you sure it's installed? |
| 21:31.13 | Sho_ | ^tiNee^: Then you don't seem to have it installed, so installing it might indeed help ;) |
| 21:31.14 | ^tiNee^ | Sho_: o didnt know hehe im still new at it |
| 21:31.24 | RinkyDinks_RJ | emerge kmenuedit -a |
| 21:31.28 | ^tiNee^ | RinkyDinks_RJ: ty |
| 21:31.31 | ^tiNee^ | Sho_: ty |
| 21:31.33 | CPrgmSwR2 | How do you access a windows computer on the network using KDE4? |
| 21:31.40 | RinkyDinks_RJ | samba |
| 21:32.02 | Ardarandir | [2007-08-26 23:30] <Sho_> ^tiNee^: On Linux, very few problems are solved by reinstalling apps ;) <-- without reconfiguring, i would say NO problems :) |
| 21:32.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | samba doesn't seem to do anything |
| 21:32.22 | logixoul | Ardarandir: ...except filesystem corruptions |
| 21:32.42 | RinkyDinks_RJ | filesystem corruptions are usually indicative of a larger problem |
| 21:32.44 | Sho_ | Or deliberate and incompetent manipulations by users |
| 21:32.58 | logixoul | yep |
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| 21:33.04 | Ardarandir | logixoul: sometimes, maybe :) |
| 21:33.09 | RinkyDinks_RJ | deliberate and incompetent prob shouldn't be used together |
| 21:33.59 | Sho_ | this ain't #semantik |
| 21:34.00 | Sho_ | ;) |
| 21:34.03 | Ardarandir | anyway, ill have to stay away from the machine - im on it since 8 o'clock in the morning again oO |
| 21:34.05 | Ardarandir | gbye |
| 21:34.06 | Ardarandir | :) |
| 21:34.12 | Sho_ | bye Ardarandir |
| 21:34.47 | RinkyDinks_RJ | does kde need to restart for new panel applets to show up? |
| 21:34.52 | Sho_ | no |
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| 21:35.18 | RinkyDinks_RJ | new as in newly installed, not new as in newly added to kicker |
| 21:35.21 | Sho_ | you might need to reopen the dialog, however, if you installed the applet after the dialog was already open |
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| 21:35.49 | RinkyDinks_RJ | hmm, not showing |
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| 21:36.09 | Sho_ | well, if it comes to that you can restart it with "dcop kicker kicker restart" |
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| 21:36.43 | RinkyDinks_RJ | That did it. |
| 21:38.46 | CPrgmSwR2 | Can someone help me configure kde to access a computer on a network like in windows? |
| 21:39.50 | RinkyDinks_RJ | kcontrol -> internet/network -> local network browsing or samba |
| 21:41.05 | CPrgmSwR2 | should I have a samba option? |
| 21:41.17 | RinkyDinks_RJ | probably |
| 21:41.29 | RinkyDinks_RJ | i do |
| 21:41.31 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: It will let you browse the network's smb shares and the like if you compiled kde with USE=winbind |
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| 21:41.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | oh |
| 21:42.07 | RinkyDinks_RJ | wow, removing distfiles just gave me 1.5 gigs |
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| 21:42.09 | CPrgmSwR2 | Lord_Devi: how did you know I was using gentoo |
| 21:42.12 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: Otherwise you have to access the shares from kde with manual \\server\share entries into the Location bar. |
| 21:42.27 | Sho_ | CPrgmSwR2: you're in #gentoo, that kind of gives it away |
| 21:42.34 | RinkyDinks_RJ | lol |
| 21:42.46 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: Oh, lol, i'm emberassed, now. I'd like to say lucky guess, but it's really just cuz I've been helpin other gentoo ppl today. hehe, habit |
| 21:42.48 | RinkyDinks_RJ | We are all seeing. Do not forget the eye. |
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| 21:43.34 | RinkyDinks_RJ | hmm. should i install samba on my portable system? |
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| 21:44.00 | RinkyDinks_RJ | i can't see myself ever using it |
| 21:44.17 | Sho_ | If you only want to mount shares, I recommend using the CIFS implementation in the Linux kernel |
| 21:44.19 | Lord_Devi | So I have read that KDE 4 Beta is not really useable as a day to day desktop yet. However I wonder how that can be if it is scheduled for release in oct(so I heard). Is anyone here using it fine day to day yet? |
| 21:44.22 | Sho_ | No need for Samba then |
| 21:44.42 | CPrgmSwR2 | Lord_Devi: I am use KDE 4 but its not fine |
| 21:44.47 | Sho_ | Lord_Devi: My honest answer would be "don't hold your breath for October 23rd" |
| 21:44.49 | CPrgmSwR2 | alt+tab doesn't work |
| 21:45.01 | Lord_Devi | oh i see |
| 21:45.02 | RinkyDinks_RJ | Sho_: i can't mount with cifs w/o samba installed!? didn't know that |
| 21:45.22 | RinkyDinks_RJ | s/can't/can/ |
| 21:45.25 | Lord_Devi | What a shame, I'm so looking forward to it. Dolphin and such look cool |
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| 21:45.29 | Sho_ | RinkyDinks_RJ: Yes. smbfs requires smbmount/smbclient, but the CIFS implementation is (a) far superior, and (b) doesn't require Samba at all |
| 21:45.36 | Lord_Devi | Sho_: lol, neither did I. I thought that module was for looks? =) |
| 21:45.40 | CPrgmSwR2 | Lord_Devi: The plasmoids are the coolest part IMHO |
| 21:45.49 | Sho_ | RinkyDinks_RJ: smbfs support will likely be removed from the kernel not before too long anyway, it's already deprecated iirc |
| 21:46.04 | RinkyDinks_RJ | Thx for that useful tidbit. |
| 21:46.20 | Sho_ | It's basically unmaintained, while the CIFS implementation is under active development and much better |
| 21:46.35 | Sho_ | In particular via CIFS, a Samba share can actually be properly POSIX compliant |
| 21:46.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | hmm I will have to look into CIFS |
| 21:46.44 | RinkyDinks_RJ | So cifs is against samba3 ? |
| 21:46.49 | Sho_ | I use it to network-mount my Akregator feed archive, which doesn't work with smbfs due to some file naming problems |
| 21:47.03 | Lord_Devi | Kind of funny how linux went and turned windows broken file sharing system into something completely usable. |
| 21:47.21 | Lord_Devi | I have often wished for samba to be on my windows puters rather than windows file and print sharing system. |
| 21:47.27 | RinkyDinks_RJ | linux can fix most things |
| 21:47.44 | RinkyDinks_RJ | it fixes my exchange problems, lets me remove iis, etc... |
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| 21:49.22 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: hehe, no really CP. I wasn't lieing! It really does work very well in kde3 if you have it compiled with winbind. I had that exact problem just a few weeks ago and fixed it with that useflag. |
| 21:49.26 | Lord_Devi | Browses just fine now. |
| 21:49.35 | Sho_ | Lord_Devi: Yeah, the CIFS kernel implementation is what makes Samba viable technology for file sharing / network file system on Linux, while with smbfs it's a Windows compatibility cludge |
| 21:50.05 | CPrgmSwR2 | Lord_Devi: I am re-compiling samba now with that use flag ... it just takes time |
| 21:50.12 | Lord_Devi | Sho_: Does it become completely redundant, CIFS, if you have samba installed(to actually provide shares, not just mount them)? |
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| 21:50.32 | Sho_ | Lord_Devi: No, in order to provide shares you still need Samba |
| 21:50.43 | Sho_ | Lord_Devi: If you only need to mount them, the kernel-side CIFS is sufficient |
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| 21:50.53 | Sho_ | Lord_Devi: Basically server-side Samba, client-side CIFS |
| 21:51.15 | RinkyDinks_RJ | CPrgmSwR2: CPrgmSwR2 is kde4 going to make file sharing as easy to preform in it as it is in windows? |
| 21:51.33 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: I think "emerge -a --newuse world" is a good idea to run after adding winbind to your USE flags as well. It look for any package(possibly kde ones) that were previously compiled WITHOUT that option, and recompile them as well for you. Just to be complete. |
| 21:51.35 | RinkyDinks_RJ | q; CPrgmSwR2: is kde4 going to make file sharing as easy to preform in it as it is in windows? |
| 21:51.36 | Sho_ | Lord_Devi: But unlike SMB, CIFS is POSIX-compliant, so it can actually be used as a proper Linux/Unix file system, and the CIFS implementation is technologically better done than the old smbfs one |
| 21:51.45 | RinkyDinks_RJ | dammit |
| 21:51.51 | CPrgmSwR2 | LOL |
| 21:52.08 | RinkyDinks_RJ | file sharing in windows is only easy if you're doing basic workgroup stuff |
| 21:52.14 | Lord_Devi | Sho_: Sounds perfect for my portables, thanks for the heads up. I had no idea. |
| 21:52.20 | RinkyDinks_RJ | once you actually need to -do- anything with it... |
| 21:52.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | I just want to access files on another computer thats setting on my LAN |
| 21:53.02 | Sho_ | Lord_Devi: Windows implements CIFS since Windows 2000 I think, so you can mount Windows shares using CIFS too |
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| 21:53.18 | underplay | Is $KDEWM not used anymore? |
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| 21:53.46 | pinotree | it is |
| 21:54.13 | underplay | Is there a reason why it doesnt work for me? I set it to my compiz path, and load kde, but compiz doesnt load just normal kwin |
| 21:54.31 | CPrgmSwR2 | in kde4? |
| 21:54.36 | underplay | no |
| 21:54.38 | underplay | kde3 |
| 21:55.23 | CPrgmSwR2 | Lord_Devi: The only package that uses winbind is samba |
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| 21:55.41 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: Oh yeah ok. I didn't remember it being much of anything at all |
| 21:55.43 | RinkyDinks_RJ | k, the pretty light blue kde bgs for things like kcontrol--can they be adjusted to fit into my evil dark overlord color scheme ? |
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| 21:56.00 | Lord_Devi | wow that was very poor grammar on my part |
| 21:56.09 | pulaski | Hello, I'm running kubuntu 7.04 with kde 3.5.6. I would like to change the default editor that is called. Looking through the help pages for "default editor |
| 21:56.10 | CPrgmSwR2 | Compiling torture/torture.c: <-- I find this interesting |
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| 21:56.23 | CPrgmSwR2 | Does samba torture your computer some how |
| 21:56.24 | pulaski | pr other variations has been unhelpful. |
| 21:56.48 | RinkyDinks_RJ | pulaski: kcontrol -> kde compontents -> file associations ? |
| 21:57.16 | pulaski | can someone please suggest a better way to find out how I can change the text editor that kde uses when clicking on text files? |
| 21:57.23 | pulaski | good |
| 21:57.28 | RinkyDinks_RJ | i just did |
| 21:57.41 | pulaski | thanks RinkyDinds_RJ |
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| 21:58.42 | RinkyDinks_RJ | ah. good old klickety. i love this game. |
| 21:59.10 | underplay | So is there a reason why kwin always starts and not the program in $KDEWM? |
| 21:59.29 | pinotree | where do you set it? |
| 21:59.48 | underplay | I tried two different ways |
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| 22:00.12 | sambiase | hi there...anyone here run knmap? |
| 22:00.14 | underplay | 1, i did a custom login, and set exported KDEWM=whatever, then launched kde, 2) I put a file in /opt/kde3/env |
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| 22:00.30 | underplay | both methods do not work |
| 22:00.43 | Sho_ | KDEWM definitely works in KDE as released by kde.org (and it does with Gentoo packages, too) |
| 22:00.56 | sambiase | i just would like to know how to change to a blue background? i just cant dinf it |
| 22:00.57 | RinkyDinks_RJ | meh. what happened to klickety's other game types? |
| 22:01.01 | pinotree | which file did you add in the global env? |
| 22:01.11 | Sho_ | sambiase: right-click the desktop, click "Configure Desktop", then click "Background" |
| 22:01.27 | Sho_ | oh, you mean in knmap ;) |
| 22:01.28 | underplay | ./opt/kde3/env/compiz.sh |
| 22:01.29 | Sho_ | sorry |
| 22:01.35 | sambiase | yes...knmap |
| 22:01.43 | Lord_Devi | a kde frontend for nmap? Sounds cool |
| 22:01.59 | sambiase | Lord_Devi ... it is really good |
| 22:02.02 | RinkyDinks_RJ | who butchered klickety? what happened to the game options? |
| 22:02.08 | Sho_ | underplay: In the '1' case, how did you start KDE? |
| 22:02.20 | underplay | i ran the command "kde" |
| 22:02.51 | Sho_ | underplay: Hm ... the canonical name for the KDE session startup script is "startkde", which is a shellscript we ship, and it's also the script that looks at the KDEWM environment variable |
| 22:03.02 | underplay | Alright |
| 22:03.09 | underplay | I will try startkde instead |
| 22:03.18 | Sho_ | underplay: I.e. usually you'd make an ~/.Xsession that contains "startkde", and then run "startx" |
| 22:03.29 | RinkyDinks_RJ | Lord_Devi: It's not in any of my overlays either |
| 22:03.41 | Sho_ | which then runs the stuff in ~/.Xsession, namely startkde |
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| 22:04.12 | Lord_Devi | RinkyDinks_RJ: Gross, guess that app will have to be stuck in my homedir then i guess |
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| 22:04.14 | Sho_ | Or maybe it's actually ~/.xession ;) They're capitalized so irregularly ... |
| 22:04.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | Okay I installed sambe with winbind enabled and rebooted computer. It shows the windows networks but I cannot connect to them as it says server timed out |
| 22:05.30 | sambiase | this is the "look" i want for my knamp....but i just cant find where to change it: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31108 |
| 22:05.56 | Sho_ | sambiase: That's done via the color options in KControl -> Appearance -> Colors |
| 22:06.14 | Sho_ | sambiase: In fact that's the "Dark Blue" color scheme shipped with KDE by default |
| 22:06.27 | sambiase | right |
| 22:06.28 | logixoul | sambiase: also, KControl->Appearance->Style->Keramik |
| 22:06.40 | sambiase | umm..im running beryl |
| 22:06.45 | logixoul | doesn't matter |
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| 22:06.55 | sambiase | right...will check |
| 22:06.58 | Sho_ | Nobody is perfect |
| 22:06.59 | Sho_ | ;) |
| 22:06.59 | sambiase | thank u |
| 22:07.15 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: You can go to Go -> Network Folders -> Samba Shares -> Workgroup, and see the other computer shares though? |
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| 22:07.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | Lord_Devi: I see workgroup folder but when I click on it, nothing shows up and it comes up with an error about the network timed out |
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| 22:08.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | Could not connect to host for smb://workgroup/ |
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| 22:08.46 | RinkyDinks_RJ | is that your workgroup name ? |
| 22:09.09 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: Hrm. Well that sounds like a problem caused by a windows client not cooperating, (perhaps it's the master). Well I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I've fought with it a good deal. I would try enabling the Guest account under the appropriate windows box, and then giving it a reboot and trying again |
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| 22:09.38 | benJIman | smb:/ browsing doesn't work with vista btw. |
| 22:09.48 | benJIman | And won't work with firewall. |
| 22:09.54 | benJIman | As it requires pretty much every high port. |
| 22:10.02 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: I find that it is /always/ the windows shares that give me all the trouble, "Contact your sys admin, access denied" for no reasons.. Kills me. |
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| 22:10.16 | RinkyDinks_RJ | Well, contact your sysadmin. |
| 22:10.20 | RinkyDinks_RJ | :) |
| 22:10.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have a windows Vista and windows xp computer on the network |
| 22:10.45 | Lord_Devi | lol, oh yeah, "I AM THE *#$&*&% SYS ADMIN YOU F*&#*&T COMPUTER!" hehe, man.. sometimes windows makes a person so mad |
| 22:11.39 | sparr | mplayer is opening a new window outside kmplayer. it used to appear inside the kmplayer window. help? |
| 22:11.46 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: I have NO experience with Vista.. In xp though, sometimes the file sharing on it just dies and the puter needs a reboot i find. Others.. i find it will only let me in if the guest account is turned on - and to top it off, it seems random with no rhyme or reason to it.. |
| 22:12.09 | RinkyDinks_RJ | Lord_Devi: there is no reason to it. |
| 22:12.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | I can't believe it took 5 years for microsoft to rename some features here and there and then releases windows vista |
| 22:12.29 | Lord_Devi | I would love a samba implementation for windows that didn't require a cygwin install.. |
| 22:12.34 | RinkyDinks_RJ | it's easier to setup an ftp server from your docs and use ftp:// |
| 22:12.48 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: They had to find tons of more ways to bloat the system and make it run slower don't forget.. |
| 22:13.07 | Lord_Devi | cuz everyone knows that as operating systems evolve, thier hardware requirements should too :P and they should also run slower..... |
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| 22:13.31 | CPrgmSwR2 | Lord_Devi: Thats true... did you know there was a state built into windows vista that reads resolution_too_high |
| 22:13.47 | Lord_Devi | CPrgmSwR2: No never heard that |
| 22:14.07 | CPrgmSwR2 | Yeah its part of windows vista Digtal Rights Management |
| 22:14.26 | RinkyDinks_RJ | k, the pretty light blue kde bgs for things like kcontrol--can they be adjusted to fit into my evil dark overlord color scheme ? |
| 22:14.43 | Lord_Devi | *hiss* drm, the most evil thing to hit the IT community in years |
| 22:14.44 | RinkyDinks_RJ | just to repeat the question. |
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| 22:14.50 | pinotree | can i gently reming that m$ is not the topic here? |
| 22:14.55 | pinotree | *remind, even |
| 22:15.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | If Windows Vista cannot verify that the DVD you decide to play is legally copied it will degrade the resolution to somethine like 320 by 200 or is it 640 by 480 |
| 22:15.22 | RinkyDinks_RJ | run the dvd in vmware |
| 22:15.27 | CPrgmSwR2 | LOL |
| 22:15.30 | Lord_Devi | pinotree: What if it involves networking it with our kde desktops tho? That's what started it... |
| 22:15.31 | Lord_Devi | hehe |
| 22:15.32 | RinkyDinks_RJ | i'm serious. |
| 22:15.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | never thought of that |
| 22:15.50 | RinkyDinks_RJ | you can network vmware anywhere. |
| 22:16.05 | pinotree | Lord_Devi: asking a question about setting up a net connection is not like free talking about m$ ths and m$ that |
| 22:16.31 | Lord_Devi | i agree tho, enuff m$ talk for me... I was busy having fun with cool linux stuff |
| 22:16.34 | RinkyDinks_RJ | hell, i got tired of the no copy/paste for vmware console so I setup my own windows-sshd and reverse ssh tunnels that way I could -putty- into my install |
| 22:17.02 | RinkyDinks_RJ | that and I hate how vmware caps the input |
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| 22:17.25 | Rasi | *yawn* |
| 22:17.27 | Rasi | is beta2 out? |
| 22:17.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | no |
| 22:17.37 | RinkyDinks_RJ | is it now? |
| 22:17.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | Rasi: don't ask find out for your self |
| 22:17.57 | Rasi | hrhr, i did :) |
| 22:17.59 | CPrgmSwR2 | Rasi: Not to be rude but thats the topic in #kde4-devel |
| 22:18.00 | RinkyDinks_RJ | are we ther eyet? |
| 22:18.07 | Rasi | just didnt want to hang around here saying nothing :) |
| 22:18.55 | RinkyDinks_RJ | k, the kio-sysinfo is sysinfo:/ right? |
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| 22:18.58 | CPrgmSwR2 | Rasi: Actually beta2 will be tagged after monday, but there is not much of a change from beta1 other than polishments here and there |
| 22:19.04 | simmerz | I have no idea why, but KDE has started complaining on startup of dcopserver not running, and not being able to read the network connection list. |
| 22:19.13 | simmerz | it then fails to start and drops back to kdm |
| 22:19.19 | RinkyDinks_RJ | simmerz: what'd you update? |
| 22:19.34 | simmerz | RinkyDinks_RJ: nothing today. Worked this afternoon. now doesn't. No config changes |
| 22:19.39 | simmerz | just a reboot |
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| 22:19.54 | RinkyDinks_RJ | this a new install ? |
| 22:20.01 | simmerz | RinkyDinks_RJ: no. been running fine for ages |
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| 22:20.51 | RinkyDinks_RJ | does it affect a new user profile ? |
| 22:21.00 | CPrgmSwR2 | yall have to check this out --> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kdegirls-control?content=65053 |
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| 22:21.09 | RinkyDinks_RJ | not again man. |
| 22:21.29 | RinkyDinks_RJ | that is getting *yawn* so much attention |
| 22:21.31 | CPrgmSwR2 | Oh its already been through here |
| 22:21.54 | simmerz | RinkyDinks_RJ: it doesn't affect another user on the machine. just mine |
| 22:21.55 | Lord_Devi | wtf?! |
| 22:22.12 | Lord_Devi | ok that's too wierd |
| 22:22.15 | profoX` | Is there a cd ripping application for KDE ? |
| 22:22.15 | RinkyDinks_RJ | the idea of that app is comical |
| 22:22.24 | logixoul | profoX`: kaudiocreator |
| 22:22.26 | RinkyDinks_RJ | but the comments beat it all |
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| 22:22.27 | profoX` | to rip to ogg vorbis or mp3? |
| 22:22.31 | logixoul | profoX`: yep |
| 22:22.32 | Lord_Devi | You could use it to know when to avoid the GF I suppose |
| 22:22.45 | RinkyDinks_RJ | profoX`: kscd |
| 22:22.47 | profoX` | logixoul: thanks, i'll check it out :) |
| 22:22.48 | logixoul | No problem :) always glad to help! |
| 22:22.48 | logixoul | profoX`: or, copy from audiocd:/ in Konqueror |
| 22:23.05 | profoX` | logixoul: seriously? will that give a conversion option? |
| 22:23.19 | profoX` | because that'd be so kde :D |
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| 22:23.27 | logixoul | yep, that's supposed to be one of KDE's killer features ;) |
| 22:23.44 | logixoul | audiocd:/ gives you a virtual file system with a folder for each format |
| 22:24.00 | Lord_Devi | wicked |
| 22:24.16 | pinotree | and you forget the virtual files representing the whole media in a single audio file |
| 22:24.34 | Sho_ | profoX`: Provided that encoders are installed (e.g. lame for MP3), it will show virtual folders on the CD with correctly named and tagged files (format can be changed in KControl -> Sound -> Audio CDs). Copying them away -> ripping |
| 22:24.37 | logixoul | ...this has in the past made people believe that the CD in fact contained all those formats. quote: "free formats are now mainstream, people!" :) |
| 22:24.58 | RinkyDinks_RJ | hmmm. should a portable usb install be able to hibernate? is it really worth it? |
| 22:25.05 | profoX` | nonetheless, it is very user friendly and intuitive |
| 22:25.09 | Sho_ | logixoul: Yes, a friend of mine blogged enthusiastically about how the new Tori Amos album conveniently contained MP3s a week after I switched him over to KDE |
| 22:25.34 | Sho_ | logixoul: I asked him "Say, did copying them from the CD take suspiciously long?" .. ;) |
| 22:26.13 | Lord_Devi | I'd like that feature for dvd's |
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| 22:26.35 | logixoul | Sho_ hehe |
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| 22:26.45 | Sho_ | logixoul: K3b can do fairly easy DVD ripping/transcoding now, since 1.0 |
| 22:27.10 | Sho_ | err, Lord_Devi I meant |
| 22:27.24 | simmerz | RinkyDinks_RJ: was an ICEAuthority issue. deleted the files and it works now |
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| 22:27.53 | Lord_Devi | Oh cool. Wonder if it supports h264 encoding |
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| 22:28.05 | profoX` | that virtual filesystem is indeed very cool.. |
| 22:28.07 | profoX` | how does it work? |
| 22:28.20 | profoX` | is it part of Kioslaves? |
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| 22:28.40 | sparr | how does kde embedded mplayer work? does it use -wid? my mplayer has stopped embedding its window in kmplayer or kde (and probably in firefox too, i havent checked). |
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| 22:30.03 | Lord_Devi | I need to get another kde box up with Synergy running on it... 2 monitors is no where near enough these days |
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| 22:31.42 | underplay | Ok this is confusing me |
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| 22:32.08 | Sivik | how do i get to the kde volume control via command line |
| 22:32.19 | sparr | my konqueror "Image View" is not generating thumbnails for my photos, they just appear as blank white boxes. how can i fix that? |
| 22:32.22 | underplay | I backup up /opt/kde3/bin/kwin and made /opt/kde3/bin/kwin a sym link to the script i want to execute, however, the script doesnt get executed, kwin starts, how is that possible if i backed up the file? |
| 22:32.24 | sparr | Sivik: kmix ? |
| 22:32.29 | Sivik | thats right |
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| 22:33.26 | Sivik | i'm trying to figure out when i turn my volume ever so slightly, my speakers get distorted and i'm not even half way up |
| 22:33.34 | Sivik | there must be a mixer somewhere that is maxed out |
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| 22:34.00 | sparr | alsamixer |
| 22:34.00 | underplay | anyone? |
| 22:34.03 | sparr | offers the same controls |
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| 22:34.27 | Sivik | sparr: i understand that, but there must be one of the ones that i have that is maxed out already |
| 22:35.24 | sparr | well, check them all |
| 22:35.32 | sparr | also, try toggling off all the on/off controls |
| 22:35.35 | sparr | "switches" in kmix |
| 22:35.52 | underplay | Ok im getting somewhere |
| 22:36.00 | profoX` | pinotree: is the virtual file system in audiocd:/ something handled by KIOslaves? |
| 22:36.06 | underplay | apparently $KDEWM did work |
| 22:36.07 | underplay | kwrapper ksmserver --windowmanager /usr/local/bin/compiz.sh |
| 22:36.15 | underplay | BUt how come compiz was never ran and kwin was? |
| 22:36.22 | pinotree | profoX`: it's the audiocd kioslave |
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| 22:37.09 | Rinky_Rj_07 | underplay: join #compiz |
| 22:37.21 | Sivik | sparr: yeah |
| 22:37.23 | underplay | I dont believe its a compiz problem |
| 22:37.25 | profoX` | pinotree: are kioslaves still supported in KDE 4 with Dolphin? I heard somewhere they were not, but I might have heard wrong.. |
| 22:37.34 | logixoul | they are |
| 22:37.43 | pinotree | only the ones that provides a filesystem |
| 22:37.49 | logixoul | yes |
| 22:37.50 | Rinky_Rj_07 | underplay: never the less, it is compiz you are trying to install/setup, so asking in compiz is probably smart. |
| 22:37.52 | profoX` | ok.. good enough |
| 22:37.55 | profoX` | :) |
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| 22:46.01 | nomin | I cannot add digg feeds to akregator. I have a whole lot of other feeds that add just fine. How do I add digg feeds? |
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| 22:47.16 | sparr | akregator |
| 22:47.33 | sparr | i think thats the most ekregious abuse of the knaming system ever |
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| 22:47.46 | Rinky_Rj_07 | why ? |
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| 22:48.26 | Rinky_Rj_07 | is ppp support needed in the kernel for vpn links? |
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| 22:48.35 | Rinky_Rj_07 | in particular cisco vpn links |
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| 22:51.13 | unity | hey, i am trying to view media:/sdb1 to view my removable usb key but it hangs. yes, i am in the usb group |
| 22:51.45 | Rinky_Rj_07 | are the permissions setup correctly on that mount? |
| 22:53.33 | luislo | luislo: test |
| 22:54.02 | unity | Rinky_Rj_07: oh, didn't know i had to mount it. i thought it'd be like a kioslave or something, to avoid having to mount it |
| 22:54.24 | unity | Rinky_Rj_07: i thought it talks directly with the usb device |
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| 22:57.24 | MrParanoia | KDE357 - no borders around windows, no 3D, no icons in system tray, keyboard dies after login - mandriva 2007.1 |
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| 23:04.27 | logixoul | MrParanoia: do you remember what you did last before this happened? |
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| 23:08.00 | MrParanoia | logixoul> i added and deleted a LOT of packages |
| 23:08.13 | Rinky_Rj_07 | uh... gentoo ? |
| 23:08.25 | profoX` | can't get flac to work in the audiocd kioslave.. strange |
| 23:08.44 | profoX` | I have flac installed, and libflac.. |
| 23:08.48 | Rinky_Rj_07 | MrParanoia: what distro |
| 23:08.56 | MrParanoia | Rinky_Rj_07> mandriva 2007.1 (spring) |
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| 23:46.42 | coreymon77 | hi everyone |
| 23:46.46 | coreymon77 | question |
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| 23:47.23 | coreymon77 | is it possible to install konversation on a mac without using fink? |
| 23:47.31 | juandamalo | de donde sos? |
| 23:47.52 | coreymon77 | fink makes it look emulated and it didnt look emulated to me when someone sent me a screenshot |
| 23:48.36 | juandamalo | hi |
| 23:48.43 | juandamalo | ypu speak in spanish_? |
| 23:48.45 | pinotree | coreymon77: i think you need to wait for kde4, and for the kde4 version of konversation |
| 23:49.46 | Jucato | coreymon77: if you want, you could maybe ask someone in #konversation as well |
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| 23:52.19 | Arsen7 | Greetings. |
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| 23:55.00 | Arsen7 | If someone wakes up, I would be very grateful for a tip how to force the session to be saved NOW, and not when I log out of KDE. :-) |
| 23:55.40 | Jucato | Arsen7: in KControl -> KDE Components -> Session Manager, select "Restore from Manually saved session" |
| 23:55.51 | Jucato | then you will get a Save Session entry in your K Menu |
| 23:56.16 | Arsen7 | Jucato: Thanks! :-) |
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